[00:15] <h3sp4wn> How does this work that the source package for lrm contains 169.12
[00:16] <h3sp4wn> but the nvidia-glx-new provided with the new kernel is still 169.9
[00:18]  * DanaG still wonders when the ubuntu-modules will go out.
[00:18] <tretle> is murrine default now?
[00:19] <h3sp4wn> I wonder why they put all that vmware stuff into the lrm package as well
[00:19]  * DanaG is using Aurora with a bright orange coloration.
[00:20] <tretle> murrine-human with inverted window border is actually very nice
[00:20] <tretle> was wondering if murrine would be the default
[00:21] <tretle> would make sense seeing as its well maintained
[00:21] <tretle> and all the advances cimi has done the past few months
[00:25] <h3sp4wn> seems to be alot of warnings whilst compiling these restricted modules
[00:26] <h3sp4wn> never remember when I had to do it with debian it having anywhere near as many
[00:27] <lime4x4> anyone else having issues with bluetooth disconnecting after the screen saver is on?
[00:34] <h3sp4wn> I think thats the worst thing I have ever seen building in terms of compiler warnings
[00:34] <h3sp4wn> (But still complete)
[00:37] <DanaG> Any way of getting Tracker applet to stop repeatedly repeatedly showing repeatedly the "merging indexes" warning, repeatedly?
[00:40] <arthurarchnix> Any update information for those of us with broken packages and update managers?
[00:49] <DanaG> Don't you just love the new gnome system monitor?
[00:49] <DanaG> slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH
[00:52] <arthurarchnix> I just want to say... I've never run alpha software before.. and wow. The dev's do an amazing job taking an OS from Alpha to release.
[00:53] <arthurarchnix> Cuz this alpha...
[00:53] <arthurarchnix> yeah.
[00:55] <DanaG> slideLURCH
[00:56]  * DanaG wonders: does radeonhd get along with radeonfb?
[01:06] <ethana2> DanaG: what do you want them to do?
[01:06] <DanaG> I'd like to be able to use native-res framebuffer while also running X.
[01:06] <ethana2> DanaG: hide the most recent samples until it can push them out smoothly?
[01:07] <ethana2> oh
[01:07] <ethana2> i meant the system monitor
[01:07] <DanaG> Oh, misinterpreted "them".
[01:07] <ethana2> yeah, sorry
[01:07] <DanaG> System monitor should scroll smoothly and interpolate.
[01:07] <DanaG> Or at least, be entirely jumpy and not slideLURCH-ey.
[01:07] <ethana2> hmm
[01:07] <ethana2> hey
[01:07] <ethana2> there's an idea
[01:08] <ethana2> just keep sliding and do basic prediction
[01:08] <ethana2> even if only linear
[01:08] <ethana2> then change the front samples as appropriate
[01:08] <ethana2> and stay going at a constant rate
[01:21] <deuryte> anybody home?
[01:23] <deuryte> dead heads..
[01:25] <ethana2> uh
[01:26] <DanaG> Hah.
[01:52] <DanaG> Argh, OpenOffice sucks at captioning pictures, too.
[01:52] <DanaG> You try to move the picture, and it randomly gets squished.
[01:53] <DanaG> Oh, I see.... it creates the caption as PART of the figure, and thus when you try to resize the caption to fit the picture, it RE-resizes the picture.
[02:11] <nemo> go me...
[02:12] <nemo> my brother is 4000 miles away, decides to install ubuntu alll by himself. appears ubuntu did an ok job, even with his nutty Vista laptop's drive structure (he did follow a walkthrough to resize one of his drives in vista and all that)
[02:12] <nemo> it works for a while, then. boom. nothing works
[02:12] <nemo> he has presence of mind to boot off CD and ping me on IM.
[02:13] <nemo> for some strange reason, I blame possibly the fact that ubuntu mapped both Vista and what appears to be a recovery partition that he might have launched, he had somehow corrupted his mbr
[02:13] <nemo> so, got him to install ssh, set a password, and open a tunnel for me, then reset his mbr, and commented out that bad entry.
[02:14] <nemo> hopefully doesn't happen again.
[02:14] <ethana2> windows doesn't play nice with others
[02:14] <ethana2> it's screwed my MBR before
[02:14] <ethana2> did a recent update break flash audio?
[02:15] <nemo> hm.
[02:15]  * nemo tests
[02:15] <nemo> you ran fuser already I presume ;)
[02:15] <nemo> WFM
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hmm.  anyone else had ubuntu not detect their windows partition as windows, and thought it was linux?
[02:17] <ethana2> nope
[02:17] <ethana2> what fs?  FAT32?
[02:18] <nemo> ethana2: so. no rogue locks on /dev/snd/pcm*
[02:18] <nemo> ?
[02:18] <ethana2> uh
[02:18] <ethana2> i don't know
[02:18] <nemo> fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
[02:18] <ethana2> k
[02:18] <ethana2> just a sec
[02:19] <nemo> like. Gutsy had that bug from firefox handing off handles to stuff like evince, causing sound locks
[02:19] <nemo> I'm not sure that FF3 has fixed that.
[02:20] <ethana2> uhhhh
[02:20] <ethana2> No such file or directory
[02:20] <ethana2> is that... bad?
[02:21] <ethana2> nemo, fuser failed- that file isn't there
[02:21] <ethana2> restart firefox?
[02:22] <ethana2> amarok can still play music
[02:22] <nemo> wha?
[02:22] <nemo> that's odd
[02:22] <ethana2> that's what i said
[02:22] <nemo> is there nothing in /dev/snd ?
[02:22] <nemo> maybe your soundcard has a way different layout
[02:23] <ethana2> it does
[02:23] <nemo> fuser -v /dev/snd/*  :)
[02:23] <ethana2> a seperate out for headphones
[02:23] <ethana2> so it can use both speakers and phones simultaneously
[02:34] <nemo> cool. Hardy has liquid-rescale in the gimp plugin pack
[02:34] <nemo> oooh. and texturiser and resynthesiser. nice.
[02:43] <syke> hi
[02:43] <syke> I just tried a dist-upgrade and got this error:
[02:43] <syke> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3.1-1_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:43] <syke>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation
[02:43] <syke> has anyone else seen this?
[02:44] <tretle> openoffice broken package
[02:44] <syke> I figure it's just a packaging bug, but wanted to make sure the appropriate ppl knew :)
[02:44] <jgoss> bug #197115
[02:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197115 in hyphen "package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation (dup-of: 192310)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197115
[02:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192310 in hyphen "package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192310
[02:45] <jgoss> oops. my bad. didn't mean for it to respond twice.
[02:45] <syke> thanks for the pointer!
[02:46] <jgoss> you're welcome
[02:57] <pwnguin> are the nvidia drivers currently working?
[03:01] <RAOF> pwnguin: They are for me.
[03:01] <pwnguin> well shoot
[03:01] <pwnguin> i go and install your nouveau drivers and set that up
[03:01] <pwnguin> now nvidia wont work ;)
[03:02] <pwnguin> of course, i dont remmeber if it was working before i set up nouveau
[03:03] <RAOF> The nouveau packages should conflict nicely with nvidia.  I've switched between nvidia-glx-new and nouveau many, many times.
[03:03] <pwnguin> ill have to double check xorg.conf
[03:03] <pwnguin> it would be great if i could make that stupid bulletproofx thing go away
[03:03] <RAOF> :)
[03:05] <RAOF> Oh, I'm not crazy.    I've had gnash installed forever.  And that doesn't work very well :/
[03:10] <pwnguin> mostly, its to the point where if i wanna watch something fullscreen
[03:10] <pwnguin> i just use youtube-dl
[03:10] <pwnguin> which is a cat and mouse game
[03:11] <pwnguin> hmm. well there is a new nvidia-glx-new pacakge out today
[03:12] <pwnguin> maybe that'll solve it =/
[03:12] <pwnguin> i'd really like to try the colorfilter stuff out again -- i noticed a deuternopia filter
[03:21] <bazhang> miro downloads youtube great
[03:21] <pwnguin> for offline playback?
[03:22] <pwnguin> or does it just run an instance of flash?
[03:23] <bazhang> vlc runs flv files fine or you can change em to avi for example
[03:23] <pwnguin> yes
[03:23] <pwnguin> thats not my problem
[03:23] <pwnguin> even totem plays flv fine
[03:24] <bazhang> flash in firefox will be problematic until adobe starts playing nicer with Linux
[03:24] <pwnguin> flash player really sucks at it, when you have reoslutions like 1600x1200
[03:25] <pwnguin> i was wondering if this was a configuration problem on my part or if flash simply was crap
[03:26] <bazhang> the second one
[03:26] <nemo> why would you run flash at 1600x1200?
[03:27] <nemo> even in windows, on my machine anyway, it sucks at even a fraction of that
[03:27] <pwnguin> so i can see it from my bed?
[03:27] <bazhang> hehe
[03:27] <nemo> oh geez
[03:27] <nemo> you're playing flash vids
[03:27] <pwnguin> yes
[03:27] <nemo> pwnguin: sooo why don't you just zoom on the crappy rez-'d youtube vids with super + mousewheel?
[03:27] <nemo> even the better-rez'd google video movies can use that
[03:28] <nemo> and in either case, it plays smoothly at whatever rez the vid is at on my box
[03:28] <pwnguin> i just download them to disk and watch em with totem
[03:28] <nemo> mm
[03:28] <nemo> that should work. although flash format *is* crap
[03:28] <pwnguin> well, google tech talks stopped offering .ogg
[03:28] <nemo> shouldn't have to zoom for that
[03:28] <pwnguin> you should start a petition
[03:29]  * nemo tries playing an flv in totem at 1680x1050
[03:29] <bazhang> canonical should buy adobe ;]
[03:30] <nemo> looks like adobe has got its hooks in the web for good
[03:30] <nemo> this new javascript sdk... AIR
[03:30]  * bazhang goes to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ to add that
[03:30] <nemo> like XulRunner, only not open source, and fewer platforms and you get to beg adobe for linux updates
[03:31] <nemo> pwnguin: flv vids play smoothly fullscreened on my box
[03:31] <RAOF> Silverlight might be interesting in that respect, as long as Moonlight can keep up.
[03:31] <bazhang> good point
[03:31] <pwnguin> nemo: with totem, yes. just not with the flash player itself
[03:31] <nemo> um
[03:32] <nemo> pwnguin: well, for that latter you should just zoom in with compiz :-p
[03:32] <nemo> making the flash player do something it sucks at seems kinda pointless
[03:32] <nemo> probably are doing the zoom all in software for xross platform
[03:32] <pwnguin> compiz tends to crash for me ;)
[03:32] <nemo> sucks to be you
[03:32] <pwnguin> i think its the fire plugin
[03:33] <nemo> there are a couple of bad ones.  the #compiz-fusion folks probably know more
[03:33] <pwnguin> finally
[03:33] <nemo> I ran into a few in Gutsy, haven't experimented much in Hardy
[03:33] <pwnguin> somehow, one of my modelines was missing " marks around the resolutions
[03:35] <Hobbsee> mmmm, fire
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yes, compiz has been more crashy than usual
[03:38] <pwnguin> interesting
[03:38] <pwnguin> powertop is suggesting that i enable CONFIG_NO_HZ
[03:38] <Pici> Has it? I havent had any issues.
[03:38] <pwnguin> honestly, i havent used it on my laptop, just the desktop that runs 7.10
[03:48] <pwnguin> well.. fixed nvidia, lost iwl
[03:48] <RAOF> Heh.
[03:49] <RAOF> That sounds like an unfair trade.
[03:49] <pwnguin> i also need to figure out what's up with powertop when nvidia ISNT running
[03:49] <pwnguin> some crazy irq rebalancing
[04:05] <pwnguin> someone want to test something for me with compiz?
[04:05] <pwnguin> the colorfilter plugin -- am i the only one missing a couple filters?
[04:07] <pwnguin> in particular, deuteranopia and protanopia
[04:09] <pwnguin> those are essential in using this thing to help people test colorbilnd usability in apps ;)
[04:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> any1 tried dream linux?
[04:24] <DanaG> argh, openoffice sucks -- you can't select multiple picture objects at the same time.
[04:24] <DanaG> You drag things to snap to each other, and they don't line up -- even though it shows the outlines lining up.
[04:27] <naught101> if I dpkg-reconfigure my xserver-xorg, it should find detect my laptop keyboard, right?
[04:27] <naught101> cause I've done it twice, and my volume keys aren't working
[04:28] <Hobbsee> naught101: which machine?
[04:28] <naught101> Hobbsee: dell d410
[04:29] <Hobbsee> naught101: do the rest of the multimedia ones work?
[04:29] <naught101> that's all I have... xev says that the vol up/down and mute keys have no symbol
[04:29] <naught101> oh... fn+up/down works for screen brightness
[04:31] <Hobbsee> naught101: some of them are done in dbus now
[04:31] <naught101> Hobbsee: I don't know what that means
[04:31] <naught101> it worked fine in gutsy
[04:31] <Hobbsee> means they don't always show up in xev
[04:31] <Hobbsee> yeah, i know
[04:31] <Hobbsee> mine are the same
[04:31] <naught101> ok, so how would I know what's going on in dbus?
[04:35] <pwnguin> is there still a compiz channel for ubuntu?
[04:36] <awalton_laptop> #compiz-fusion isn't good enough?
[04:38] <naught101> Hobbsee: any idea?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> naught101: bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes
[04:39] <naught101> cheers
[04:41] <DanaG> WTF, stuff randomly moves if you undo and redo things.
[04:41] <DanaG> And update-manager has ignored my "lock version" thing for one package.
[04:47] <DanaG> How do I get update-manager to respect the version lock?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> use dpkg --set-selections package hold
[04:48] <Hobbsee> not aptitude's equivalent
[04:52] <DanaG> I marked it synaptic, though, also.
[04:53] <DanaG>  sudo dpkg --set-selections libasound2-plugins hold
[04:53] <DanaG> dpkg: --set-selections does not take any argument
[04:54] <DanaG> [ 2378.404619] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away.
[04:54] <DanaG> WTF?  My touchpad just suddenly lost ALL its settings!
[04:54] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:54] <DanaG> Now it has tapping on, and scrolling doesn't work -- it's like Synaptics module isn't loaded.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> DanaG: use echo "package <state> | dpkg --set-selections
[04:55] <Hobbsee> i alawys forget that
[04:55] <DanaG> [ 2373.097080] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away.                      [ 2373.602814] psmouse.c: resync failed, issuing reconnect request                            [ 2376.662777] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 5.9, id: 0x23aeb3, caps: 0xa04713/0x10008                        [ 2376.696097] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input9
[04:56] <DanaG> Apparently input-hotplug doesn't reattach to touchpad devices.
[04:57] <DanaG> Great, now I'm going to be gettign random clicking overtyping parts of my document!
[04:59] <DanaG> Hmm, vt-switch away from and back to Xorg fixed it.
[04:59] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/119194
[04:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119194 in linux-source-2.6.20 "ps2 mouse erratic - parity errors" [High,Confirmed]
[05:00] <DanaG> Perhaps I should add plain "Linux" to it.
[05:05] <gil> Anybody else here have a broken language-support-writing-en ?
[05:19] <tomd123> so is anyone else stuck in an infinite update loop when the updated libesd-alsa0 or is it just my computer?
[05:23] <CarlFK> gil: yes
[05:27] <CarlFK> gil:  just to be sure: bug 192310
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192310 in hyphen "package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192310
[05:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> my lap's power button stop working with the new kernel :(
[05:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> anybody knows how could i find some log to file a bug report?
[05:38] <CarlFK> dmesg, see if there is anting interesting at the end
[05:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, k, let me c...
[05:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, what this means? python[7079]: segfault at 00000000 eip b6cc8b66 esp bf92b6b0 error 4
[05:42] <CarlFK> 'bad'
[05:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, ... related to the power button issue?
[05:44] <CarlFK> well, segfault means something crashed, and to some extent you shouldn't be surprised if anything after that dosn;t work
[05:44] <CarlFK> hit the button again, see if it adds another line
[05:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> k, a sec
[05:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no, still the same
[05:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, what doesnt work here is the power button doesnt call the logout/shutdown window, but if i keep pressing it, it will just shut the power off
[05:46] <CarlFK> "keep pressing=off" is a hardware thing, so that is expected
[05:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok
[05:47] <CarlFK> python[7079] - 7079 is the process ID
[05:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> well, actually i also get this line after that line :  python[7064]: segfault at 00000000 eip b6cd4b66 esp bfe283b0 error 4
[05:48] <CarlFK> reboot, dmesg (make sure there is no segfault)  "ps auxw", hit the button, dmesg, hope to see seg...
[05:48] <CarlFK> good.
[05:48] <CarlFK> forget all that :)
[05:48] <CarlFK> ps auxw
[05:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> now?
[05:48] <CarlFK> yes
[05:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> u wanna me pastebin?
[05:49] <CarlFK> hit the button, dmesg, look for process ID, look at ps output, see what the whole line was that used to be running
[05:49] <CarlFK> sure
[05:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> k a sec
[05:49] <CarlFK> just the last 20 lines
[05:49] <CarlFK> dmesg|tail|xclip
[05:50] <CarlFK> that will.. tell you xclip not installed :)
[05:50] <CarlFK> so never mind
[05:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> k, this is what i got from ps auxw http://pastebin.com/m48c0aec
[05:52] <CarlFK> hit button, dmesg, what is the segfualt line? (or just the [pid]
[05:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> still those two lines
[05:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and [ 9580.388396] usb 7-2: USB disconnect, address 3, this line is also there when i hit it before
[05:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and it's actually the last line
[05:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, rebooting, brb
[05:55] <CarlFK> k
[06:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, ok, after reboot, the seg is gone
[06:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> after i hit the button
[06:02] <CarlFK> what's the last line of dmesg?
[06:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> [   51.135110]   groups: 02 01
[06:03] <CarlFK> well thats not very intersting :)
[06:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok..
[06:04] <CarlFK> i guess you have 2 problems - power button and whatever is causing the segfault
[06:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> here is the last few lines of dmesg http://pastebin.com/m3f474f05
[06:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the seg fault may caused by awn
[06:05] <crocod> Hobbsee: $10 is a fair price for your work since you will not be able to reproduce a problem anyway
[06:09] <Hobbsee> ?
[06:27] <DanaG> what the hell?  "ctrl-z" just got stuck!
[06:28] <DanaG> bug 124406
[06:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124406
[06:28] <DanaG> I'd call that rather critical.
[06:28] <DanaG> Imagine if you were working with files and 'delete' got stuck!
[06:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, ok, gnome-keybinding-properties recognize the power key, but it just wont do any actions that i assign to it
[06:30] <Belboz99> Hey all, does anyone know anything about alsactrl store locking up the system?
[06:30] <Belboz99> hangs up everything, worse, it runs on shutdown and GUI reloading :(
[06:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, dont know if u r still there, i tried use lshal -m and for the power key it shows: 23:40:56.762: computer_logicaldev_input_2 condition ButtonPressed = power
[06:43] <DanaG> Ugh, I so hate OpenOffice's buggy page wrapping.
[06:45] <DanaG> Oh, and now my window borders are going white.
[06:47] <CarlFK> [Hardy]TuTUXG: sounds like you have a bug report - not a great one, but good enough
[06:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, um... im so lazy to do that, but looks like i have no choice
[07:11] <Belboz99> Hey all, I finnaly got Hardy running pretty decent, audio now works, as does Wine if you use the Gutsy version :-P
[07:42] <ionstorm> anyone notice there is no /lib/modules/2.6.24-11-generic/"build"
[07:48] <reppel> Hi, is it ok to modify sources.list to upgrade to hardy?
[07:51] <frold> Where to read more about roadmap and release dates?
[07:53] <Sebastian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[07:56] <frold> thank you!
[08:04] <Sliss> whats the best thing to do if my dhcp3 is broken? (broken from the update a couple of days agoo)
[10:12] <loa> Is there someone who can explain why hibernate broken in last kernel?
[10:13] <pwnguin> yes
[10:13] <loa> O_O
[10:13] <loa> explain please!
[10:13] <pwnguin> i didnt say it was me
[10:13] <loa> =)
[10:13] <zniavre> :o)
[10:14] <pwnguin> but perhaps a fifty minute lecture from mjg would be instructive
[10:14] <pwnguin> basically, it's amazing it ever worked
[10:14] <loa> I want fix this issue(
[10:15] <pwnguin> http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2008/Fri/mel8-139.ogg
[10:15] <loa> under <IP_ADDRESS> all works out of box.
[10:15] <Dr_willis> i find it amazing it works under any OS at all. :)
[10:15] <pwnguin> basically the current system is random whether it works or freezes entirely
[10:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> does osx have s2disk?
[10:16] <pwnguin> by doing something intelligent
[10:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i mean hibernate
[10:16] <pwnguin> like having a mini kernel write the current state to disk
[10:17] <pwnguin> that link is a video by what I'll call Ubuntu's suspend expert
[10:17] <pwnguin> the title is Suspend to Disk
[10:17] <pwnguin> Why it doesn't work, can't work and never worked in the first place
[10:17] <pwnguin> (and what to do about it)
[10:18] <pwnguin> is the subtitle
[10:20] <pwnguin> key point: The freezer is unreliable and cannot sensibly be made reliable
[10:22] <Amaranth> pwnguin: you're speaking geek to a guy that just wants to hibernate his desktop :P
[10:22] <cwillu> !info wine
[10:22] <ubotu> wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.55-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 34871 kB, installed size 108000 kB
[10:23] <pwnguin> Amaranth: its the only sensible option left
[10:24] <pwnguin> canonical's out in left field with moblin because intel's paying them to stand there
[10:24] <pwnguin> Amaranth: is compiz-fusion in freeze?
[10:24] <Amaranth> what freeze?
[10:25] <pwnguin> the kind that doesnt let me add filters to colorfilter?
[10:25] <Amaranth> oh, that was you
[10:25] <pwnguin> yes
[10:25] <Amaranth> mvo told me he got a generic freeze exception for compiz for this release
[10:25] <pwnguin> heh
[10:25] <Amaranth> but i dunno about compiz-fusion, they haven't made a committment to only bug fixes
[10:26] <pwnguin> i dont see how that could break anything
[10:26] <pwnguin> its not even code
[10:26] <Amaranth> compiz has had an 0.7 release and stated that the road to 0.8 is only bug fixing so...
[10:26] <pwnguin> well, i guess it sorta is
[10:26] <Amaranth> pwnguin: it still needs an exception request
[10:26] <Amaranth> and it is code
[10:26] <Amaranth> code that could theoretically lock up your GPU
[10:26] <pwnguin> but it appears to be interpreted and has been around since august of last year
[10:26] <RAOF> Code that can happily bring down the rest of compiz
[10:27] <pwnguin> is it?
[10:27] <Amaranth> pwnguin: anyway, you have to file the exception request
[10:27] <pwnguin> sure
[10:28] <pwnguin> RAOF: is it cg or something?
[10:29] <RAOF> Lovely lovely shaders.
[10:29] <pwnguin> i guess what i dont understand is how they weren't included before
[10:29] <RAOF> ie: Dear GPU.  Please run this code on each pixel you push.
[10:29] <pwnguin> right
[10:32] <RAOF> I don't know why they weren't included in the first place.
[10:33] <pwnguin> from what i can see, the compiz fusion plugins pacakge is weird
[10:33] <pwnguin> doesn't match the gitweb layout
[10:34] <RAOF> They do crazy commit hook things.  The various plugin packages are checked out from the individual repositories.
[10:41] <pwnguin> what i find strange is that colorfilter was an ubuntu project
[10:41] <pwnguin> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/color-filters
[10:43] <pwnguin> and i dare say quite a successful one
[10:44] <pwnguin> but still fell through the cracks =(
[10:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> new kernel~
[10:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> 2.6.24-11
[11:05] <Oli``> why is update manager trying to install a -386 kernel on my system? (I shouldn't have any dependencies)
[11:05] <Oli``> I blame linux-restricted-modules-common or nvidia-glx-new
[11:07] <Oli``> Hmm neither of those appear to... Rubbish
[11:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bug?
[11:11] <RAOF> Oli``: It's possible that you don't have the "linux" package installed?  nvidia-gle-new will be depending on linux-restricted-modules-386 | linux-generic-modules-generic, which means that apt has to pick one of those if you don't already have it installed.
[11:20] <Oli``> I'm on generic and have been for a long time RAOF. I usually see -generic kernel updates but once every so often, a nasty little -386 kernel finds its way through my updates and ruins my day
[11:20] <Oli``> but yes, it is nvidia-glx-new causing the problem...
[11:21] <Oli``> Or at least, it's a problem because linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-11-generic hasn't been released
[11:22] <Oli``> Because linux-image-2.6.24-11-generic hasn't been released either
[11:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how come i cant listen to music while im watching videos?
[11:25] <rsk> [Hardy]TuTUXG: your soundcard dosen't have good enough driver or something is bugged
[11:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, or should i use esd?
[11:26] <rsk> NO
[11:26] <rsk> use pulseaudio
[11:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, ok
[11:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, so i souldnt enable esd?
[11:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, no luck with pulseaudio
[11:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> um, it's annoying
[11:30] <rsk> o/
[11:30] <rsk> sure is
[11:30] <rsk> that's why i bought an emu10k card 3 years ago
[11:30] <rsk> not a single glitch since then
[11:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i havent notice that, till just few mins ago
[11:30] <rsk> 10euro :)
[11:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, while im on my laptop
[11:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i mean well*
[11:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, i should use HDA Intel as my sound device right?
[11:32] <rsk> sure
[11:33] <rsk> sounds resonable
[11:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i also have Playback: ALSA PCM on front...(bla bla)
[11:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i didnt have so many options with my old laptop tho
[11:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> only alsa or oss
[11:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, figure it out
[11:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> xmms was using oss as output
[11:50] <andrew_> wierd konversation takes 10 secs to display
[11:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how could i change the output driver for quod libet?
[11:54] <kaarel> does anyone have problems with gnome-system-daemon not starting after upgrade to version 2.21.91?
[11:59] <olie> can anyone help with my resoultion settings
[12:01] <olie> if i go into system settings then to moniter manager it says something about an orphaned module
[12:05] <olie> can anyone help with my resoultion settings
[12:05] <jussi01> olie: have a look through launchpad - I think this is a known bug.
[12:06] <olie> ok
[12:06] <jussi01> (I have it also - no Idea how to fix it though)
[12:14] <juri__> just went from gutsy to hardy and now my system thinks i want to handle music cds with banshee instead of sound-juicer; can anyone remind me where that can be adjusted?
[12:15] <olie> jussi01: ive looked through launchpad but to no avail
[12:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> juri__, system->preferences->prefered applications
[12:16] <juri__> [Hardy]TuTUXG: can't see it there, there's "multimedia player" but that points to rhythmbox
[12:16] <juri__> it wasn't in removable drives and media either
[12:20] <juri__> gconf-editor tells me i do have desktop->gnome->volume_manager->autoplay_cda set to true and autoplay_cda_command set to sound-juicer, but apparently that doesn't have the desired effect anymore
[12:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> juri__, that's really wired
[12:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> juri__, seems like they are doing some change
[12:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> juri__, those options should be under gnome-volume-properties
[12:24] <juri__> yeah, so i thought too
[12:25] <juri__> but all i get there are the tabs "Camers", "PDAs", "Printers & Scanners" and "Input Devices"
[12:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> me too
[12:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> im pretty sure i used to have options for ipod and cdrom under there
[12:27] <Amaranth> juri__: open up gconf-editor, tell it to search for "banshee" in key values
[12:27] <Amaranth> see if it shows up somewhere interesting
[12:27] <hmuller> seems to be a problem with todays  linux-image-2.6.24-11-generic update
[12:27] <hmuller> it updates, but breaks X and wireless networking
[12:28] <Amaranth> hmuller: You apparently missed the linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules parts
[12:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> hmuller, they havent release the restricted module for the new kernel
[12:28] <hmuller> The linux-restricted-modules updated
[12:28] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yes they have, i have it here
[12:28] <hmuller> linux-ubuntu-modules did not
[12:28] <juri__> Amaranth: thanks, should have remembered to do that myself... however, no luck: all the hits i get are under /apps/banshee and /schames/apps/banshee
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: thanks for the updatr
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: any idea if there's plans to make compiz start faster?
[12:29] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: but the metapackages did not get updated so if you have nvidia-glx(-new) and blindly upgrade you'll get the -386 versions of image and restricted and won't get the linux-ubuntu-modules
[12:29] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: afaik the two main hits are loading all the plugins off disk and copying the pixmaps into textures
[12:29] <juri__> (schemas too)
[12:30] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: driver improvements will fix the latter, i don't see a way to fix the former
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: any good way to speed it up?
[12:30]  * Hobbsee ponders turning off some plugsin then
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: so it takes ~30 seconds to start gnome with compiz for you too?
[12:30] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: not quite that bad but it's pretty bad
[12:31] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: basically adding compiz in gutsy completely blew the startup and login speed improvements of feisty and gutsy
[12:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, so the linux-ubuntu-modules hasnt been released?
[12:31] <Hobbsee> it apepars to blow up a bit of compiz is set to start later
[12:31] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: it has
[12:31] <hmuller> Amaranth: for amd64?
[12:31] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: the metapackages are not correct so you have to install all the stuff manually
[12:31] <Amaranth> hmuller: *shrug*
[12:31] <Amaranth> core duo
[12:32]  * Hobbsee ponders purging it then
[12:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> well then i ll wait till they fix this
creating custom debian live cds is fun</random>
[12:32] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: make sure you set your WM back to metacity in appearance properties first
[12:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, how about custom ubuntu live cd?
[12:32] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: actually if you do that you don't even have to uninstall it :P
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i like shiny though.  fast shiny.
[12:32] <Amaranth> and i think gnome-session still does bad things if you uninstall it
[12:33] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: hah
[12:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, maybe not so easy as with debian i guess
[12:33] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: afaik anything beyond modifying existing CDs (which is just a chroot and recompress) is secret sauce
[12:33] <Amaranth> you can't build them from scratch like ubuntu does
[12:34] <juri__> (and url-handler for cdda is also set to sound-juicer)
[12:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, but u can do that with debian, cant u?
[12:34] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yep, with live-helper
[12:35] <Amaranth> it'll build a live cd for you customized pretty much however you want
[12:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, how about if i want to build a live cd with ubuntu?
[12:35] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: err, no
[12:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, so seems like ubuntu is not so open as debian is?
[12:36] <Amaranth> unless something changed and i didn't notice then yes, in this instance
[12:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, well, as a trade off for easiness, i could understand
[12:39] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: ah, you can use live-helper to make an Ubuntu-based livecd
[12:39] <Amaranth> it's not easy though
[12:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, that's nice to hear
[12:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, i have a question about mplayer
[12:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, if you dont mind..
[12:40] <Amaranth> i suppose with enough tweakery you could make it spit out something almost the same as what ubuntu releases
[12:40] <Amaranth> i haven't used mplayer in about 12 months
[12:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, what do u use?
[12:40] <Amaranth> and only used it in the 'double click on a file to play it' sense then
[12:40] <Amaranth> totem
[12:40] <Amaranth> totem-gstreamer, to be specific
[12:41] <Amaranth> the only things i've ever seen it choke over are dvd menus (missing feature) and anime (weird crack)
[12:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, well, it's pretty general, since xv is not working well, i use gl as output, what's the different it makes?
[12:42] <Amaranth> well, gl uses...opengl
[12:42] <Amaranth> for scaling and colorspace conversion (since that's all Xv handles too)
[12:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, i use totem-xine since totem-gstreamer doesnt handle real files well
[12:42] <Amaranth> real isn't dead yet?
[12:42] <Amaranth> haven't seen a real file in like 2 years :P
[12:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, so using gl gives me any bad stuff?
[12:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> well, i have lots porn in real format ;P
[12:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> im kidding, just some stuff i downloaded are still in real format
[12:44] <Amaranth> gl is less efficient
[12:44] <Amaranth> and probably less shiny
[12:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> um..
[12:45] <Amaranth> because the drivers can custom tweak and tune Xv
[12:45] <Amaranth> while mplayer's gl output is generic
[12:45]  * buz is fighting with firefox3. it insists on zooming everything no matter what it is told
[12:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> honestly i can not really tell the different
[12:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> but mplayer handles flv files too
[12:46] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: well, for example, the nouveau driver uses bicubic filtering in their Xv output so it looks really really nice
[12:46] <Amaranth> totem handles flv files too
[12:46] <Amaranth> and so does swfdec-gnome
[12:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ah, ur right, totem-gstreamer dos
[12:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> does*
[12:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> probably i just could get rid of those bad memories totem gave me...
[12:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and mplayer's firefox plugin is nice
[12:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, are you using the nouveau driver?
[12:50] <Amaranth> nope
[12:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> still not that usable?
[12:50] <Amaranth> totem's firefox plugin can somewhat reliably pretend to be the realplayer, wmp, and quicktime plugins too
[12:50] <Amaranth> it doesn't run compiz
[12:51] <Amaranth> so it's a no go, seeing how i, uh, work on compiz :P
[12:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no 3d-acceleration
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: surely you odn't use crack to develop it.
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: if you did actually use it, you'd fix the startup times :P
[12:52] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: or my uptime is always multiple days and i login then go get a soda :P
[12:52] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: you dont' hold a candle to imbrandon
[12:52] <Amaranth> seriously though, i can't see how to speed it up significantly
[12:53] <Hobbsee> just wave the magic wand!
[12:53]  * Hobbsee sets Amaranth on fire
[12:53] <Amaranth> video chips with shared memory will probably start faster once ttm is used
[12:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> compiz?
[12:53] <Amaranth> because then GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is essentially a noop, a texture and a pixmap are the same thing and in the same memory location (system, video)
[12:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what's ttm?
[12:54] <Amaranth> but if compiz was allowed to start by itself and before any windows started showing up that would probably make it go faster too
[12:54] <Amaranth> no fighting over IO and no windows to convert to textures
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: now there's an interesting idea.
[12:54] <Amaranth> ttm is a video memory manager
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: what things would need to start before it?
[12:54] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: gnome-settings-daemon
[12:54] <juri__> Amaranth: btw, a quick question about compiz: i just decided to try it again but noticed that i don't get access to the gnome menus if i put the mouse pointer to the edge of the screen. is that a configuration issue or is that way always?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: that's it?
[12:55] <juri__> +it
[12:55] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: should be, it is the window manager... :P
[12:55] <Amaranth> juri__: that is fixed if you upgrade compiz in about 3 hours
[12:55] <juri__> ok, thanks :-)
[12:55] <Amaranth> assuming the buildds are working and someone didn't upload OOo
[12:55] <Amaranth> and assuming you're not using cube
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: what is if you do need the cube?
[12:56] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: if you 'need' the cube you don't 'need' your screen edges to work :P
[12:56] <juri__> i'm most definitely not using cube, i'm still unsure if i want to change anywhere from the vanilla metacity :-)
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: oh, i thought it related to the startup
[12:56] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: hope, was talking to juri__ :)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: stupid question, but why is g-s-d *not* part of my current session?
[12:57] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: if you can figure out how to make compiz start right after gnome-settings-daemon and make everything else start _after_ compiz is finished loading it'll at least look smoother, if it doesn't actually speed things up
[12:57] <Amaranth> err, if gsd isn't running you have no themes
[12:57] <Amaranth> how do you like the 1994 look?
[12:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, use sleep?
[12:58] <Amaranth> [Hardy]TuTUXG: evil
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: it doesn't show in the session preferences
[12:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[12:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, how come?
[12:58] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: that's because gnome-session is patched to start it special
[12:58] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: to make sure it starts before everything else (mainly compiz)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: so why is gnome-session not listed there too?
[12:59] <Amaranth> gnome-session is your session manager, why would it be in the list of things the session manager is managing?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> ah right.  so there's no way to reprio that
[12:59] <Amaranth> if gnome-session goes away you log out
[12:59]  * Hobbsee has reprio'd things with the session manager before
[13:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, David still is in charged of the core development?
[13:00] <Amaranth> kinda
[13:00] <Amaranth> plugin ABI/API changes need his approval and 'large' changes need his approval
[13:00] <Amaranth> beyond that danny basically runs it now
[13:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> is he still writing stuff?
[13:01] <Amaranth> davidr? he writes the really huge infrastructure changes
[13:01] <Amaranth> then everyone else (mostly danny) fixes them up
[13:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> good work
[13:01] <Amaranth> he basically does a code drop every so often with some complete reengineering of how compiz works
[13:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Amaranth, so how evil is sleep?
[13:02] <Amaranth> let's say on my machine compiz starts in 5 seconds but it starts in 20 seconds on yours
[13:03] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: clearly i'm not great on gnome yet :P
[13:03] <Amaranth> either you get a no help from the sleep or i have to wait 15 seconds thanks to your slow computer :P
[13:03] <Amaranth> wow, this sucks
[13:03] <Amaranth> every time someone says my name xchat tries to beep (using esound) but that is going through pulseaudio and that makes my music skip
[13:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[13:04] <Hobbsee> classy
[13:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> well sorry about that
[13:05] <Hobbsee> so we could have Amaranth disco music
[13:05] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: Amaranth Amaranth Amaranth ama
[13:05] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: Amaranth Amaranth Amaranth Amaranth
[13:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol

[13:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> use a different output device for your music player may helps
[13:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> help*
[13:06] <Hobbsee> pipe /dev/random to the sound card.
[13:07] <Hobbsee> or, an idea i heard while on holidays...pipe the network traffic to the soundcard too.
[13:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not that helpful
[13:10] <Hobbsee> depends what the aim is
[13:55] <^BiplanO^> hi all
[13:55] <^BiplanO^> I'm unable to start gnome after the last update!
[13:56] <^BiplanO^> X.0.log says that fglrx is unable to find agp
[13:56] <^BiplanO^> and mouse is frozen too
[13:56] <^BiplanO^> but i can use keyboard
[13:57] <^BiplanO^> after entering username and pssword into gdm it doesn't enter gnome
[13:58] <^BiplanO^> ctrl-alt-backspace works and I'm able tu use console
[13:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ^BiplanO^, u have to install the ubuntu-module and restricted-module manually
[13:58] <^BiplanO^> yes?
[13:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> can u load the old kernel?
[13:58] <^BiplanO^> i noticed that there was an update of these packages
[13:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> 2.6.24-10?
[13:59] <^BiplanO^> well.. grub doesn't tell me there's another 2.6.24-10
[13:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it's not in the menu?
[13:59] <^BiplanO^> my latest kernel is -10
[14:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the update is 2.6.24-11
[14:00] <^BiplanO^> uhmmm
[14:00] <^BiplanO^> I'm on Puppy Linux now ;)
[14:00] <^BiplanO^> but I have to check
[14:00] <h3sp4wn> Try another mirror (gb.archive.ubuntu.com has 11 (with the modules)
[14:00] <h3sp4wn> for both x86 and x64 (dunno about mac or sparc)
[14:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> -10 has been out there for a few days
[14:01] <^BiplanO^> so, what can i do from console?
[14:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok
[14:01] <^BiplanO^> Ishould i modify the archives list?
[14:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> uname -r
[14:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> need to make sure which kernel u r using
[14:02] <^BiplanO^> I'm on a live distribution now
[14:02] <^BiplanO^> how cani check the version on my hd?
[14:04] <^BiplanO^> uhmm ok
[14:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> there is a file somewhere
[14:04] <^BiplanO^> there's only -10 in /usr/src/
[14:04] <^BiplanO^> i mean only the -10 directory
[14:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so u probly want to update to -11 first
[14:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sudo apt-get update
[14:05] <^BiplanO^> i did aptitude update/upgrade
[14:05] <^BiplanO^> but it didn't upgrade me to -11
[14:05] <h3sp4wn> you would need full-upgrade (or dist-upgrade)
[14:05] <^BiplanO^> oh yes
[14:05] <^BiplanO^> maybe
[14:06] <h3sp4wn> That presumes it was on the servers when you tried this
[14:06] <^BiplanO^> i really don't want to format :)
[14:06] <h3sp4wn> I want this stupid hdaudio to stop unmuting itself
[14:07] <^BiplanO^> uhmm okay let me try dist-upgrade or full-upgrade
[14:07] <^BiplanO^> is there any difference?
[14:07] <h3sp4wn> No
[14:07] <^BiplanO^> thank you very much
[14:07] <^BiplanO^> see you later...
[14:07] <^BiplanO^> :)
[14:08] <^BiplanO^> anyway Puppy is fantastic!
[14:08] <^BiplanO^> :)
[14:08] <^BiplanO^> sorry for spam :p
[14:08] <^BiplanO^> bye
[14:13] <Milos_SD> Why nvidia-glx-new <IP_ADDRESS>-11 want to install linux-image<IP_ADDRESS>-i386, when I have generic kernel ?
[14:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Milos_SD, install the generic kernel manually
[14:16] <Milos_SD> but, then nvidia-glx-new will not work with new generic kernel?
[14:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or wait for them to fix that?
[14:18] <Milos_SD> I was hopping that I will do the update today... but always when they fix something, they brake the something else :(
[14:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Milos_SD, it's still alpha5
[14:19] <Milos_SD> I know, but errors like this... I don't know ... When I upgraded to Hardy, I didn't think that there will be error like this ... :S
[14:20] <Milos_SD> I aspected bugs ... :)
[14:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> there could be much worse errors
[14:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's y it's not encouraged to upgrade to hardy on a productive machine
[14:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no offense
[14:21] <Milos_SD> well, I don't have no other machine :D
[14:22] <^BiplanO^> I'm back
[14:22] <Milos_SD> but, for now, it is working very well ...  :)
[14:22] <^BiplanO^> nothing to do with aptitude dist-upgrade
[14:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Milos_SD, im not using the nvidia pkg from ubuntu so i dont really know how to solve this, my suggestion is waiting for a fix
[14:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ^BiplanO^, which kernel you got?
[14:24] <^BiplanO^> should i change anything in sources.list?
[14:24] <^BiplanO^> -10
[14:24] <Milos_SD> I can't do anything, but wait :)
[14:24] <^BiplanO^> no updates
[14:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Milos_SD, instead of taking a risk to break something
[14:24] <^BiplanO^> I have the default server in sources.list
[14:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ^BiplanO^, so x is runing well now?
[14:25] <^BiplanO^> no
[14:25] <^BiplanO^> I'm still on the live distro
[14:26] <^BiplanO^> tried to dist-upgrade but it say 0 upgrades available
[14:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> could be ur mirror
[14:26] <^BiplanO^> i use archive.ubuntu.com
[14:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no idea
[14:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> u will get them sooner or later
[14:27] <^BiplanO^> ahah yes of course
[14:28] <^BiplanO^> but i cannot use gnome now
[14:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> have u tried?
[14:28] <^BiplanO^> tried what?
[14:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> boot ubuntu?
[14:28] <^BiplanO^> yes
[14:28] <^BiplanO^> i booted into safe mode
[14:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> x wont start?
[14:28] <^BiplanO^> and run dist-upgrade
[14:29] <^BiplanO^> gdm starts
[14:29] <^BiplanO^> but the mouse is frozen
[14:29] <^BiplanO^> and after i enter username and password nothing happens
[14:29] <^BiplanO^> Xorg.0.log says that fglrx is unable to get agp
[14:30] <^BiplanO^> and there's no mouse device
[14:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> pastebin ur xorg.conf
[14:30] <^BiplanO^> okay
[14:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> im not sure i can help u with this but i will try
[14:31] <^BiplanO^> anyway it worked before update... I don't think it's xorg.conf
[14:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> after u installed the kernel have u tried to boot it?
[14:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nvm
[14:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> also make sure u have the right version of ubunt-module and restricted-module installed
[14:34] <^BiplanO^> well.. I was booting with -10 for several days
[14:34] <muszek> openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us and openoffice.org-hyphenation try to provide the same file (/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic), which causes a dependency error in todays updates... anyone else got that error?
[14:34] <^BiplanO^> and all went fine
[14:34] <^BiplanO^> here it is : http://pastebin.com/d457ff7c4
[14:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ^BiplanO^, so wat broke it?
[14:34] <^BiplanO^> the updates I think
[14:35] <^BiplanO^> it updated the packages you said to install by hand
[14:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> to which version?
[14:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> -10?
[14:37] <^BiplanO^> yes
[14:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> xorg.conf seems ok...
[14:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> u have another kernel?
[14:40] <^BiplanO^> i tryed to boo with -8
[14:40] <^BiplanO^> but it's the same
[14:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what does dmesg say?
[14:41] <^BiplanO^> it seems there are no errors
[14:41] <^BiplanO^> wait.. what's the latest kernel?
[14:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> just mouse not working, anything else
[14:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> here i have 2.6.24-11
[14:42] <^BiplanO^> I'm navigating the pacages archive, for understanding
[14:43] <^BiplanO^> the latest linux-image pakage I have is <IP_ADDRESS>.10
[14:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so u r using the -11
[14:44] <^BiplanO^> the latest restricted-modules is <IP_ADDRESS>-11
[14:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> uh ha
[14:44] <^BiplanO^> but i boot with -10
[14:44] <^BiplanO^> uhmmm
[14:44] <^BiplanO^> -11 doesn't appear in grub menu
[14:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not fully updated
[14:46] <^BiplanO^> ahah so weird
[14:46] <^BiplanO^> 11.10
[14:46] <^BiplanO^> 10-11
[14:46] <^BiplanO^> people get crazy for much more less
[14:46] <^BiplanO^> :)
[14:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> shouldnt it be 2.6.24-11.10?
[14:47] <^BiplanO^> ahah wait
[14:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it should be 2.6.24-11.17?
[14:47] <^BiplanO^> well..yes
[14:49] <^BiplanO^> uhmmm well the latest restricted-modules is <IP_ADDRESS>-11.29
[14:49] <^BiplanO^> bingo!
[14:50] <^BiplanO^> uhmm no.. sorry
[14:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> u should have linux-image-2.6.24-11 linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-11 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-11
[14:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> yes, the actual version # is <IP_ADDRESS>-11.29
[14:51] <DrHalan> hey, i have compizconfig-settings-manager installed but on the appearce menu i cant set "custom effects" (the option isnt there)
[14:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> run ccsm?
[14:52] <^BiplanO^> so the problem is linux-image?
[14:53] <^BiplanO^> i have <IP_ADDRESS>.10
[14:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i have 2.6.24-11.17
[14:54] <^BiplanO^> this is the output of uname -r?
[14:55] <^BiplanO^> or the name of the package?
[14:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the version of the pkg
[14:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> im still in 2.6.24-10 right now
[14:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> need to recompile the kernel
[14:56] <^BiplanO^> oh...
[14:56] <^BiplanO^> what is your mirror?
[14:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ca
[14:57] <^BiplanO^> ca?
[14:57] <^BiplanO^> is there a way to set it through console?
[14:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> canada
[14:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nano /etc/apt/source.list
[14:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sudo
[14:58] <^BiplanO^> so, i have to change archive.ubuntu.com with
[14:58] <^BiplanO^> ca.archive.ubuntu.com?
[14:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ca.archive....
[14:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> yes
[14:59] <^BiplanO^> uhmmm let's try
[14:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> where r u?
[14:59] <^BiplanO^> italy
[14:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it could be really slow
[14:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> try us
[14:59] <^BiplanO^> ok
[15:02] <^BiplanO^> see you later
[15:18] <muszek> how do I "restart sound"?
[15:18] <selckin> sudo reboot
[15:19] <muszek> I have sound problems - restarting Gnome helps (and I'd like to fix it w/o killing everything...)
[15:19] <selckin> using esd?
[15:19] <muszek> selckin: using whatever's default in hardy right now (meaning I haven't changed anything)
[15:21] <muszek> I tried /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart # didn't help
[15:22] <h3sp4wn> there is a force unload for alsa somewhere
[15:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> muszek, what kind of problem?
[15:23] <h3sp4wn> muszek:  /sbin/alsa --help
[15:23] <muszek> [Hardy]TuTUXG: I described it here http://www.muszek.com/hardy-audio-bug (don't know which package it belongs to...)
[15:25] <Amaranth> muszek: killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio &
[15:25] <muszek> h3sp4wn: sudo /sbin/alsa reload (and force-reload) didn't help.  no sound with skype.
[15:26] <h3sp4wn> muszek: You could use oss if you could be bothered (www.opensound.com)
[15:27] <h3sp4wn> Then probably you need the non alsa version of skype
[15:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> muszek, i had that problem, solved(work around) by using different output devices for different apps
[15:29] <soc> hi
[15:29] <soc> http://pastebin.com/m50b3cd88
[15:29] <soc> gnome-settings-daemon is SegFaulting ...
[15:29] <soc> did someone experience that?
[15:29] <h3sp4wn> All the time
[15:30] <h3sp4wn> fortunately it doesn't seem to do anything useful
[15:30] <h3sp4wn> (for me anyway)
[15:30] <h3sp4wn> Actually maybe it does but it gets restarted quickly
[15:31] <muszek> re
[15:33] <muszek> somewhere between reloading alsa and after killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio & my system became unresponsive.  I couldn't move a mouse, ctrl+alt+f1, nor ssh to it from another box.  I could ping it.  I raised skinny elephansts...
[15:33] <alex_mayorga> bug 197665 anyone
[15:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197665 in gnome-settings-daemon "[hardy] The Settings Daemon restarted too many times." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197665
[15:33] <h3sp4wn> Probably but I set that to ignore ages ago
[15:34] <soc> h3sp4wn: the problem is that it doesn't load my settings anymore
[15:34] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, in case you feel like subscribing ;)
[15:34] <soc> so my sysrem looks uber-ugly
[15:34] <soc> because of crappy font's themes, etc.
[15:35] <soc> btw, does ship fiefox3 with an internal cairo library or does it use the system's?
[15:35] <alex_mayorga> IIRC, the use of system GUI elements was one of the advancements in FF3
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> soc: What settings ?
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> I don't actually use any gnome apps I don't think so if its something to do with that then it won't affect me
[15:37] <h3sp4wn> except maybe nm and the other applets in my titlebar
[15:43] <soc> h3sp4wn: my settings ... fonts, themes, etc.
[15:44] <h3sp4wn> When you change them ?
[15:45] <soc> no
[15:45] <flipstar> soc: everywhere or only in gtk apps ?
[15:45] <soc> when i start up i get the message that starting gnome-settings-daemon failed and everything looks ugly
[15:45] <soc> gtk
[15:45] <h3sp4wn> it doesn't seem to affect my binary firefox or urxvt
[15:45] <h3sp4wn> or matlab or emacs
[15:45] <soc> h3sp4wn: how should it?
[15:46] <h3sp4wn> Dunno you haven't described the problem properly yet
[15:46] <soc> when i start gnome, my settings don't load
[15:46] <alex_mayorga> soc, did you checked out bug 197665
[15:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197665 in gnome-settings-daemon "[hardy] The Settings Daemon restarted too many times." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197665
[15:46] <soc> what's hard about that?
[15:46] <h3sp4wn> You didn't say when you start
[15:47] <h3sp4wn> I just get it crashing all the timer after it has started
[15:47] <h3sp4wn> (but it auto restarts itself)
[15:47] <soc> alex_mayorga: doesn't seem to be my bug
[15:47] <soc> http://pastebin.com/m50b3cd88
[15:48] <soc> it doesn't try to restart here
[15:48] <h3sp4wn> well that aint 197665 then
[15:48] <h3sp4wn> "[hardy] The Settings Daemon restarted too many times."
[15:49] <bsee> was 2.6.24-11 kernel removed from update servers?
[15:49] <h3sp4wn> I am running it here just fine
[15:49] <flipstar> i also didnt get the new kernel ..
[15:50] <h3sp4wn> No its still on my mirror
[15:50] <h3sp4wn> (gb)
[15:50] <bsee> i downloaded it and it failed to install correctly, now i reinstalled OS and no 2.6.24-11, just 2.6.24-10
[15:53] <flipstar> nothing on main..nothing on local..nothing on the gb server ..
[15:54] <h3sp4wn> isp caching possibly
[15:54] <h3sp4wn> (in the case of one or the other or both of us)
[15:55] <^BiplanO^> anyone had a problem on starting X after the latest update?
[15:56] <h3sp4wn> I take it you waited to install the new kernel until you had all the parts ?
[15:56] <nemo> is latest update one that moved to autodetect, or did that happen earlier?
[15:57] <nemo> I've no clue since A) I backed up my xorg long ago and B) it autodetected smoothly anyway :)
[15:57] <nemo> s/xorg/xorg.conf/
[15:57] <lunks> When running compiz, I'm getting this error:
[15:57] <lunks> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 169.09, but this NVIDIA driver component has version 169.12.  Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
[15:57] <^BiplanO^> the problem is not with xorg.conf
[16:01] <flipstar> ^BiplanO^: ..so what then ?
[16:01] <ionstorm> with the new kernel rls today there is no build dir
[16:02] <ionstorm> i cannot build my rt73 driver
[16:03] <lunks> And I'm using only ubuntu's driver
[16:04] <^BiplanO^> flipstar: eheh I don't know
[16:04] <flipstar> lunks: try remove and reinstall
[16:04] <ionstorm> anyone notice there is no /lib/modules/2.6.24-11-generic/"build"
[16:04] <ionstorm> was it moved?
[16:04] <flipstar> ^BiplanO^: how do you now then..? try login into an tty and type 'X'
[16:05] <lunks> flipstar, k
[16:06] <ionstorm> cd nm didnt have headers installed
[16:06] <flipstar> i only did get the linux-source updated to 2.6.24-11 but not the kernel image ..
[16:06] <flipstar> wired
[16:08] <ubuntu> greetings
[16:12] <presroi> hi, after rebooting, my notebook (hardy/kubuntu) does not find any networks (cable and wireless) anymore
[16:24] <twb> Howdy; my unichrome-based GPUs' magic numbers aren't in the list in alpha4 (meaning that it falls back to the vesa driver).  Can I do anything to make sure they are auto-detected in the final release, or is it too late?  If the latter, what's the magic to make casper use a particular Xorg GPU driver?
[16:24] <twb> (I'm just about to grab alpha5 to test it.)
[16:25] <h3sp4wn> So with pulseaudio can I sensibly switch the sink to my usbaudio card
[16:25] <h3sp4wn> (seems so complicated the applet)
[16:26] <h3sp4wn> alsa_output.usb_device_a73_7_noserial_if0_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0
[16:26] <h3sp4wn> (thats the sink name but changing it doesn't seem to work)
[16:27] <h3sp4wn> or do I need to change using asoundconf as well
[16:29] <shirish> has anybody used the dict (dictionary) application ?
[16:39] <freebird> running 8.04, can't click desktop icons anymore, menus have gone mac style as in click and hold...is this a known issue?
[16:41] <flipstar> kde3 ?
[16:41] <freebird> gnome
[16:41] <freebird> 2.21.92
[16:42] <flipstar> can you click other icons than these on desktop ?
[16:42] <freebird> yes, menus and system tray
[16:44] <twb> Even on MacOS 7 you could click and the menu would stay open, IIRC.
[16:44] <twb> But if you click-and-held, it would treat the click release as the item selection
[16:44] <twb> I might be remembering 8.1; I suppose it doesn't matter.
[16:45] <freebird> my issue is that all has changed but I didn't ask it to?
[16:45] <freebird> when I try to drag a window it maximises the window instead...a lot strange behaviours
[16:46] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  how do I configure the *default* location to show for the weather report in the new clock applet in gnome?
[16:47] <freebird> exit
[17:09] <hischild> so far it's all goin fine for me with hardy
[17:09] <KrimZon> i broke mine
[17:10] <hischild> why/how/what's up with it?
[17:10] <donomo> how can i get around the dreaded openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us / openoffice.org-hyphenation conflict?
[17:10] <hischild> update, do autoremove in console, then update again
[17:10] <hischild> that fixed it fo rme
[17:11] <donomo> i did apt-get update, then apt-get autoremove, i get The following packages have unmet dependencies
[17:11] <hischild> which packages / dependencies?
[17:11] <Milos_SD> when will all kernel/modules/meta packages be tranfered on <IP_ADDRESS> version? :S
[17:11] <KrimZon> well i wanted to install some kind of proper support for the touchpad, but in doing that i broke xorg.conf, so i reinstalled some nvidia-xorg bits and bobs, and then when it rebooted the video was fixed but wireless was down
[17:12] <vlowther> iwlwifi?
[17:12] <hischild> donomo: i'm having the exact same hyphenation thingy now
[17:12]  * vlowther is happy that I have an emergency backup atheros card.
[17:12] <donomo> hischild: http://pastie.org/160138
[17:12] <alex_mayorga> !skype
[17:12] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[17:12] <hischild> donomo: i'm on irssi now on my server --> can't check links ... sorry :(
[17:13] <KrimZon> i dont know, its an intel pro wireless
[17:13] <donomo> hischild: elinks ftw? :)
[17:13] <hischild> donomo: how can i get links out of irssi
[17:13] <hischild> i have no gui or sth
[17:13] <KrimZon> its on an Asus A8Sc
[17:13] <donomo> hischild: open a new shell, run 'links'
[17:13] <hischild> donomo: hmm ...
[17:13] <hischild> donomo: gimme a sec ... fixing the hyphenation thing
[17:14] <delhage> donomo: I have the exact same problem too
[17:14] <Mark_Milliman> All of the kernel modules in the repository are not up to -11.17 and the nvidia-new drivers don't work with anything other than the i386 version
[17:14] <donomo> i cant install anything else until the hyphenating thing is fixed.
[17:14] <Mark_Milliman> I am running the -11.17 i386 image just so the nVidia drivers work.
[17:14] <donomo> maybe i should uninstall all of openoffice
[17:14] <vlowther> KrimZon: the latest round of kernel updates do not have drivers for the Intel 3945 or the 4965 cards.
[17:15] <KrimZon> intel pro wireless 3945ABG
[17:15] <Mark_Milliman> Hopefully the rest of the modules will get up to -11.17 soon
[17:15] <Milos_SD> And the rest of the meta packages ...
[17:15] <KrimZon> hmm... so i uninstall it all and revert to what's on cd?
[17:15] <Milos_SD> linux meta package want to install -10 version
[17:15] <Milos_SD> :(
[17:15] <vlowther> or just reboot to the prior kernel.
[17:16] <vlowther> as long as you don;t have an nvidia card.
[17:16] <Mark_Milliman> exactly
[17:16] <Mark_Milliman> I went back to -10 but it was too late for the drivers they are not backward compatible
[17:16] <vlowther> samw here
[17:16] <Mark_Milliman> the i386 version seems to be working
[17:16] <vlowther> which is why I am glad I had the  other wireless card lying around.
[17:17] <hischild> donomo: you can in theory uninstall openoffice yet it's unrecommended ... much depends on it
[17:17] <Mark_Milliman> They better get the kernel stable soon because beta is closing in on them
[17:17] <donomo> hischild: is there another approach?
[17:17] <vlowther> ... and fix the fscking "hal not updating battery status" bug!
[17:18] <Mark_Milliman> vlowther, don't know anything about that because I am running this on a desktop
[17:18] <hischild> donomo: to the hyphen bug? i think so ... gimme a min
[17:18] <Mark_Milliman> that would be a pretty big issue though
[17:18] <hischild> Mark_Milliman: i'm runnin on a laptop ... it's annoying that it doesnt update the batt status
[17:18] <hischild> well .. not always
[17:18] <Mark_Milliman> I would agree
[17:18] <vlowther> it is.  Battery satus on a laptop is only getting updated right now when you attach or remove ac power.
[17:19]  * vlowther has resorted to having a tiny terminal window open running watch -s 30 acpi
[17:19] <hischild> vlowther: yeah ... well the little light still shows me wether i'm above or below 10% .. and the rest is a pure gamble
[17:22] <hischild> oh gimme a break ... this used to fix it ...
[17:22] <hischild> stupid thing
[17:22] <hischild> hmm ...
[17:24] <hischild> this is so likely to break my laptop again
[17:28] <twb> Gack, why isn't there an openchrome/unichrome driver... oh wait, they call themselves "via" now...
[17:29] <twb> ...which brings me to my next question: gack, where is the "via" driver?
[17:29] <hischild> twb: you mean as in where is it in xorg.conf?
[17:30] <twb> hischild: no, I mean as in on disk
[17:30] <hischild> good question
[17:30] <twb> I'm checking the filesystem now, but the dinky GTK thing that gdm pops up when it repeatedly fails to boot X doesn't list via/openchrome/unichrome
[17:30] <twb> ...using a4 still; a5 is unsquashfsing now.
[17:30] <KEB1> how to upgrade? "dist-upgrade"
[17:31] <hischild> KEB1: there's a guide for that one ...
[17:31] <hischild> change all gutsy to hardy and then do dist-upgrade
[17:31] <hischild> yet HIGHLY UNRECOMMENDED!!!
[17:31] <hischild> i've tried it 4 times so far, 2 times on a clean install
[17:31] <hischild> and all have failed
[17:31] <KEB1> hischild: what should i canhge to hrdy?
[17:31] <bazhang> or just get the alpha 5 iso or a daily build
[17:31] <Sonicadvance1> Question. I'm running a DVD in totem. EVERYTHING is tinted blue? wtf is that?
[17:31] <bazhang> sources list KEB1
[17:31] <hischild> KEB1: in your sources.list
[17:32] <hischild> KEB1: it's better to grab the iso and do a clean install
[17:32] <twb> Sonicadvance1: sounds like XV voodoo; do you mean just the video area, or the whole desktop?
[17:32] <KrimZon> vlowther: i've got back to -10 kernel, but now my xorg.conf is still misconfigured
[17:32] <twb> hischild: ewwww
[17:32] <KEB1> can i copy the home folder then?
[17:32] <twb> hischild: even RHEL supports upgrading in place!
[17:32] <hischild> KEB1: ain't that a seperate partition?
[17:33] <KrimZon> what i did was change some stuff, but then when x restarted it completely messed the file up so i couldnt change it back
[17:33] <Sonicadvance1> twb, Just the video area, let me get a screen capture
[17:33] <hischild> twb: RHEL?
[17:33] <KEB1> ive the iso from hardy alphy 3, it is problematic to update to aplhy 5 and then eo betha,... to the final?
[17:33] <KrimZon> but before then i had working nvidia and wireless
[17:33] <twb> hischild: I guess you don't get out much?  RHEL = Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
[17:33] <hischild> twb: it failed for me every time .. no matter what i tried it always failed on it
[17:33] <Sonicadvance1> twb, http://bdo.ktserv.com/Users/Sonicadvance1/TheInvisibleBlue.png <--Blue people!
[17:33] <Sonicadvance1> Looks like it's for Blu Ray advertisement or something
[17:33] <twb> Sonicadvance1: fetching... from the description it sounds like a colorspace mis-configuration (e.g. YUV /= RGB).
[17:34] <hischild> twb: no ... i only got back to linux somewhere like a week ago ... before  that i had to use windows for game development
[17:34] <hischild> twb: i prefer to dive in head first ... and i always like a challenge to keep my box running like i want it
[17:35] <twb> hischild: well, I think you should NOT be recommending people to do a completely fresh install.
[17:35] <Sonicadvance1> hm
[17:35]  * Sonicadvance1 blames 64bit
[17:35] <hischild> twb: they'll break more then likely ...
[17:35] <twb> Sonicadvance1: I think that's a colorspace issue; I don't know offhand how to fix it in Totem.
[17:35] <twb> hischild: that's *your* anecdotal evidence.
[17:35] <Sonicadvance1> I tried VLC but it crashes D:
[17:36] <hischild> twb: correct, that's _my_ experience with it so far on which i am basing my conclusion. Should you have a different opinion, i'm more then willing to listen and even change my conclusion on that
[17:36] <twb> hischild: indeed; IME dist-upgrading post-release is trivial (assuming you check the release documentation for gotchas).
[17:37] <donomo> my experince has been dist-upgrading is problematic and an clean install is preferable
[17:37] <twb> hischild: dist-upgrading to a moving target like Sid or Ubuntu+1 sometimes (often?) requires you to know how to resolve apt/dpkg issues, but if you know how to do that it's usually not difficult either.
[17:37] <hischild> twb: a good discussion isn't wrong (and even helpfull). However, i can't be expected to tell people something differently then what i've been experiencing now can i
[17:37] <twb> I admit that Ubuntu dist-upgrading has, IME, been worse than Debian.
[17:38] <twb> hischild: fair enough.
[17:38] <flipstar> you cant do an distupgrade from X anyway ..
[17:38] <hischild> twb: i do know how to solve most issues by now. Wether it is with some help, experimenting or just plain research for it, usually i can figure it out. Yet it has broken like unfixable broken for me 4 times, which makes me unrecommend the upgrading from gutsy (should've mentioned that)
[17:38] <flipstar> or at least shouldnt
[17:39] <twb> flipstar: dist-upgrading while X is running shouldn't kill anything.
[17:39] <flipstar> yes but it remains on unsolved depencies ..
[17:39] <afflux> err, no?
[17:39] <twb> flipstar: huh?
[17:40] <flipstar> it could i mean it still is recommend to do that without X
[17:40] <flipstar> this is much safer
[17:40] <afflux> flipstar: I never did dist-upgrading without X, from gutsy a2 until now, hardy
[17:40] <hischild> the fewer is running, the less could interfere with the upgrade
[17:40] <twb> The last time I checked, feisty->gutsy was *only* recommended to be done via update-manager.
[17:41] <twb> hischild: it's VERY unlikely running processes would break a dist-upgrade.
[17:41] <afflux> hischild: you can even remove packages while the application in the package is running
[17:41] <hischild> twb: yet mine failed so i did a clean install
[17:41] <hischild> afflux: i am aware of that (looks funny though ... running the app while it's removed)
[17:42] <twb> hischild: I still suspect that the problem was your inexperience, not any fundamentally insurmountable problem with dist-upgrading.
[17:42] <afflux> Probably a broken upgrade-path
[17:42] <lime4x4> slow file transfer using samba or sptfp
[17:42] <afflux> lime4x4: via nautilus?
[17:42] <hischild> twb: ofcourse i have a lot to learn, i've never denied that
[17:43] <lime4x4> was using places/network to move files but that was so slow 1 meg per sec
[17:43] <SeveredCross> Are there known bugs regarding multimonitor setups and gnome-settings-daemon & gnome-display-properties?
[17:43] <twb> hischild: please understand that I'm not criticising you, just questioning the inferences you're making (reinstalling is usually better than dist-upgrading)
[17:43] <SeveredCross> A quick Launchpad search turns up nothing, but I may be looking for the wrong things.
[17:43] <lime4x4> then setup spftp whish is just as slow
[17:44] <twb> What procotol is SPFTP?
[17:44] <afflux> lime4x4: I think there was a known issue some time ago, but they should've been fixed now
[17:44] <KrimZon> damn, i almost fixed it but then it automatically reinstalled -11
[17:44] <afflux> *that
[17:44] <donomo> my solution to the openoffice hyphenation thingy: 'sudo aptitude remove language-support-writing-en', say no until the solution that only uninstalls packages
[17:44] <lime4x4> well it doesn't appear to be on my end...lol
[17:44] <afflux> lime4x4: let me check
[17:44] <lime4x4> thanks
[17:45] <alex_mayorga> !release
[17:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[17:45] <Sonicadvance1> Hm, audio isn't even synced in VLC
[17:45] <alex_mayorga> how do I know what release I'm currently running?
[17:46] <lime4x4> it's weird the file i'm testing is 2.6 gigs in size it starts to copy then it hangs at 26.5 megs then it copies another 26.5 megs and hangs again
[17:46] <matjan> hi, i have some troubles now after the latest update
[17:46] <flipstar> alex_mayorga: lsb_release -a
[17:46] <hischild> twb: i was already assuming you didn't mean it as you wrote it. It might have been my inexperience or something else, however it still broke for me. I understand that you have a lot more experience with it and i won't deny that, nor that i have a lot to learn. Yet i'm eager to learn and always more then willing to take advice
[17:46] <afflux> lime4x4: what's your version of gvfs?
[17:46] <matjan> most notably, hardy now only recognizes one of the 4 cores on my cpu
[17:47] <alex_mayorga> flipstar, thanks
[17:47] <lime4x4> how do i check that? It should be the latest
[17:47] <matjan> is there any way to solve this or should i just wait for the next update?
[17:47] <alex_mayorga> lime4x4, sudo aptitude show gvfs
[17:48] <afflux> lime4x4:  apt-cache policy gvfs would be better
[17:48] <lime4x4> Version: 0.1.8svn20080228-0ubuntu1
[17:48] <flipstar> matjan: what kernel you are running? generic ?
[17:49] <matjan> flipstar, the last update which is 2.6.24-11-386
[17:49] <flipstar> matjan: maybe you should try the generic kernel
[17:50] <afflux> lime4x4: hm, the bug I was thinking about was fixed since 0.1.6
[17:50] <lime4x4> is it possible the bug is still in my setup somehow?
[17:50] <matjan> and since there was also an update of nvidia-glx-new, graphics are borked when running another kernel
[17:50] <afflux> lime4x4: not really
[17:51] <afflux> lime4x4: you could check if it's working when copying via terminal, not via nautilus+gvfs
[17:51] <matjan> flipstar, so, that would solve the cpu problem, but then i have screwed up graphics
[17:51] <matjan> 2.6.24-10-generic ran nicely
[17:51] <afflux> lime4x4: if it's working as expected, feel free to report a bug against gvfs
[17:51] <flipstar> matjan: maybe you should stay at this for a while :)
[17:51] <lime4x4> okay i'll have to dig up info on how to copy a file thru the terminal.never did that before
[17:52] <flipstar> just cp
[17:52] <flipstar> cp input output
[17:52] <matjan> flipstar, hehe
[17:53] <matjan> anyway, how should i file a bugreport about this?
[17:53] <matjan> by the way, it also seemed that sound got screwed, but after a reboot in safe mode it works again
[17:57] <beerockxs> I can't login to gnome anymore using the default session, I get the window that the session has been closed after less than 10 seconds, but .xsession-errors does not contain anything apart from "/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup..."
[17:57] <beerockxs> anyone have an idea what might cause that?
[17:59] <twb> beerockxs: what is the default session?
[18:00] <alex-weej> is murrine supposed to be the new default theme then?
[18:01] <beerockxs> twb: the gnome session
[18:01] <beerockxs> twb: Using the safe mode gnome session works (I'm using that right now)
[18:01] <twb> update: in 8.04a3, both via and unichrome drivers are installed, and manually forcing unichrome in xorg.conf works.
[18:01] <beerockxs> twb: it had been working just fine. I logged out, and then couldn't log in again.
[18:02] <twb> beerockxs: sounds like you uninstalled something important.
[18:02] <twb> beerockxs: get a shell, and tell me if ubuntu-desktop is still installed.
[18:02] <beerockxs> twb: logging in as another, new user works also.
[18:03] <beerockxs> twb: i uninstalled evolution, and thus do not have ubuntu-desktop anymre
[18:03] <twb> beerockxs: that means it's something you've done to your home stuff, presumably.
[18:03] <twb> beerockxs: it might just be that you've changed your default session type; have you tries manually asking for the GNOME session?
[18:04] <beerockxs> twb: i'll try that now
[18:04] <beerockxs> brb
[18:04] <twb> Why these kids don't run their IRC inside screen, I'll never know.
[18:04] <twb> Or at least start a second X server.
[18:05] <lime4x4> okay using scp to transfer a 2.6 gig file from hardy to gutsy i get 1.5 megs per sec
[18:05] <twb> lime4x4: are you using -C?  Are you using -c blowfish?
[18:05] <matjan> anyway, i get this in /var/log/messages: Mar  2 12:37:56 quadpc kernel: [    0.000000] WARNING: NR_CPUS limit of 1 reached.  Processor ignored.
[18:06] <twb> lime4x4: if it's still too slow, have you considered using something unsecured like thttpd or firehose?
[18:06] <lime4x4> scp test.avi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:07] <beerockxs> twb: thanks. somehow, the XClient session got set as default. It's working now.
[18:08]  * Oli`` wonders when the 2.6.24-11-generic kernel will be out
[18:08] <lime4x4> before when i was using gutsy i could transfer files at around 65 megs per sec now with hardy i'm down to 1.5 megs per sec
[18:09] <twb> lime4x4: good luck isolating the cause
[18:09] <lime4x4> that's a big decrease in speed
[18:09] <twb> iostat is probably your friend
[18:09] <Oli``> 65?! what sort of hardware?
[18:10] <twb> Oli``: 1000baseT, presumably
[18:10] <twb> Since he's using TCP/IP.
[18:10] <flipstar> !info iostat hardy
[18:10] <ubotu> Package iostat does not exist in hardy
[18:10] <flipstar> ..
[18:10] <Oli``> i see sorry I thought that was disk=>disk transfer
[18:11] <twb> It's still incredibly fast for 100baseT
[18:11] <lime4x4> sudo apt-get install sysstat gets u iostat
[18:11] <flipstar> thx
[18:11] <twb> flipstar: sysstat: usr/bin/iostat
[18:11] <twb> flipstar: apt-file is your friend.
[18:12] <flipstar> i rather would like to have tool that lists disc access per application..
[18:12] <flipstar> like top
[18:12] <Oli``> lime4x4: have you tried transferring over something that isn't encrypted? eg: ftp, http, etc
[18:13] <Oli``> flipstar: there's a .py script somewhere that does do that
[18:13] <lime4x4> i'm working on setting up a ftp server now to test the speed
[18:14] <flipstar> Oli``: you probably dont have it around? or a tip for google..?
[18:14] <twb> lime4x4: I suggest you try thttpd; that's optimized for speed.
[18:14] <Oli``> flipstar: it was sitting on my desktop until last week when I went postal on it.. I'll try and find it again
[18:14] <twb> lime4x4: if you feel like compiling things, firehose can apparently make switches physically melt by being so fast.
[18:14] <flipstar> Oli``: thank you :=)
[18:15] <lime4x4> don't mind compiling
[18:15] <twb> lime4x4: since you reported speeds above the probably limit of 100baseT, I'd check to make sure you haven't introduced a non-gigabit connection into your path.
[18:15] <twb> *probable
[18:16] <Oli``> is there a command to list your bash history (so I can grep it)?
[18:17] <flipstar> i set an alias for history |grep
[18:17] <flipstar> now its hg :)
[18:17] <twb> Oli``: yes.
[18:17] <twb> Oli``: see HISTORY and HISTORY EXPANSION in the bash manual.
[18:19] <pwuertz_> hi, after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04, my system freezes from time to time
[18:19] <twb> pwuertz_: that's not enough information to diagnose the fault.
[18:19] <pwuertz_> is there a way to receive any debug information?
[18:20] <pwuertz_> twb: I know.. thats why I'm asking for any hints how to investigate this problem
[18:20] <twb> Well, firstly, can you reproduce the freeze on demand (e.g. it always freezes when you try to open Firefox)
[18:20] <pwuertz_> no.. I cannot reproduce the freeze
[18:21] <pwuertz_> the system freezes randomly
[18:21] <Oli``> flipstar: http://guichaz.free.fr/misc/#iotop =)
[18:21] <pwuertz_> even without doing anything
[18:21] <twb> pwuertz_: after the freeze, can you switch to vt1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1)?  Does the machine respond to ping?  To ssh?
[18:22] <pwuertz_> i can leave the desktop alone for half an hour.. and the system does not respond in any way
[18:22] <pwuertz_> no.. its completely frozen... network is gone too
[18:22] <pwuertz_> sometimes I could leave the machine running the whole day without any incident
[18:23] <twb> I used to have that problem when using 3d acceleration on my Radeon 9000.
[18:23] <mphill> pwuertz_: I had a freeze too
[18:23] <twb> I doubt that's any help.
[18:23] <mphill> scares me
[18:23] <twb> I suppose you could look at /var/log after rebooting for shenanigans
[18:24] <mphill> I also had my computer freeze during post, when it was going t check memory it froze typing "Memo", it didn't finish memory.  that really scares me.
[18:24] <lime4x4> twb u have a link for firehose
[18:25] <twb> lime4x4: nah
[18:25] <twb> lime4x4: it's a bitch to find, too
[18:26] <lime4x4> i found it.. did a google search for firehose file transfer
[18:27] <lime4x4> http://www.heroinewarrior.com/firehose.php3
[18:27] <twb> Ah, yeah
[18:29] <flipstar> Oli``: this is exactly what i've searched for..nice :)
[18:29] <Oli``> flipstar: yeah it's not perfect but it's damned handy when you need something like it
[18:32] <flipstar> it is perfect :) and if not you can still edit the code :P
[18:32] <alex_mayorga> does your gnome-settings-daemon work?
[18:34] <Oli``> very true
[18:36] <DanaG> Gaack, why does update-manager want to install linux-image-2.6.24-11-386?  My system needs the -generic kernel!
[18:39] <donomo> anyone noticed application in the taskbar dont fill the whole panel? im always clicking on the very bottom pixel and then need to adjust the mouse up a couple pixels to select the application.
[18:39] <ryanpg> when I plug in my usb camera, it is automatically mounted and shows up on the desktop, unfortunately nautilus and gnome-panel both become unresponsive
[18:39] <ryanpg> tips on doing some bug hunting here?
[18:40] <ryanpg> donomo, ifaik that's something themes specify
[18:40] <ryanpg> donomo, I mean the padding around panel applets
[18:41] <donomo> ryanpg: ok thx
[18:41] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[18:42] <afflux> DanaG: I had that too, I think it was because of some virtualbox-ose-modules weirdness
[18:45] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm not using the virtualbox-ose-modules, because I can't be sure how it'll interact with the non-OSS VirtualBox additions.
[18:46] <afflux> do you have them installed?
[18:46] <DanaG> In the guest, yes.  I don't have the packaged vboxdrv installed; instead, I do 'vboxdrv setup' manually.
[18:46] <DanaG> The latter is in the host, of course.
[18:47] <afflux> yep
[18:47] <afflux> hm, okay, looks like I'm on the wrong path
[18:47] <DanaG> I instead just use aptitude to install the new -generic, and mark it automatic.
[18:48] <Assid> hey
[18:48] <Assid> is it me.. or is the new update giving -386 kernel ?
[18:48] <afflux> hehe
[18:49] <afflux> Assid: at least DanaG and I had this too
[18:49] <Milos_SD> I think  that is ubuntu way to bypass that bug with nvidia and dual core :D
[18:49] <Assid> Milos_SD: ?
[18:49] <Assid> i got a freaking quad core
[18:50] <Milos_SD> well, if you use 386 kernel, your PC will not freez with nvidia drivers installed :)
[18:50] <Assid> wtf?
[18:50] <Assid> wasnt freezing earlier
[18:50] <Milos_SD> but, you will be using just one core :)
[18:50] <afflux> my PC doesn't freeze with nvidia-glx-new and dual-core and -generic
[18:50] <Assid> whatd i update for then
[18:50] <Milos_SD> my do :(
[18:50] <lime4x4> im currently running the latest kernel with nvidia drivers on a dual core setup
[18:51] <Assid> LimCore:  uname -a
[18:51] <DanaG> wrong tab-complete?
[18:51] <Milos_SD> lime4x4, what latest kernel?
[18:51] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-11-generic #1 SMP Fri Feb 29 22:08:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:51] <Assid> I WANT MY MULTICORE!
[18:51]  * Assid turns red
[18:51] <lime4x4> Linux john-hardy 2.6.24-11-generic #1 SMP Fri Feb 29 22:08:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/
[18:51] <Assid> DanaG: you installed the other kernel yourself?
[18:51] <Milos_SD> how did you updated to that kernel version ?
[18:52] <DanaG> Yup, using aptitude.
[18:52] <RyanPrior> I have a warning symbol in my notification area telling me that my package repository list is a week out of date, even though I just updated it.
[18:52] <Assid> Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64  ?
[18:52] <lime4x4> i installed it manually from the repos hardy wouldn't updateon it's own
[18:52] <Assid> -generic?
[18:53] <Milos_SD> and there is all packages available for that kernel version?
[18:53] <Milos_SD> all restricted packages, etc?
[18:53] <Assid> Generic Linux kernel image gives me -386
[18:53] <lime4x4> yes
[18:54] <lime4x4> you'll have to manually install them
[18:54] <Assid> which one?
[18:54] <Assid> linux-image ? linux-image-2.6.24-11-generic ?... ?
[18:54] <afflux> linux-image-2.6.24-11-generic
[18:54] <DanaG> Anybody here using radeonfb with either fglrx or radeonhd?
[18:55] <alex_mayorga> why don't I see 2.6.24-11?
[18:55] <alex_mayorga> not available as an update :(
[18:55] <flipstar> wired why it isnt marked as an update oO
[18:55] <Assid> i cant remove the other one..
[18:55] <Assid> it removes nvidia-glx-new
[18:55] <Assid> :(
[18:55] <lime4x4> check and see if it's in synaptic
[18:56] <DanaG> Use aptitude.
[18:56] <flipstar> in adept it is ..
[18:56] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, I-m using aptitude
[18:56] <DanaG> Select to install the generic and then select to uninstall the 386, in that order.
[18:56] <Assid> i did.. you just cant do both in 1 go
[18:56] <oxigen> hi, i just downloading alpha5, and i have a few questions before install...
[18:57] <oxigen> i want to use swap on other hd, how to do that?
[18:57] <Milos_SD> linux-image-2.6.24-11-generic, restricted-2.6.24-11-generic, nvidia-glx-new
[18:57] <alex_mayorga> aptitude safe/upgrade says there are 0 things to update
[18:58] <Milos_SD> is there any other package that is important for system to work ?
[18:58] <DanaG> What do you mean, just can't do both in 1 go?
[18:58] <Milos_SD> other that this 3 ?
[18:58] <DanaG> Try running aptitude with no parameters, to get the ncurses UI.
[18:58] <flipstar> oxigen: thats kind of basic knowledge..are you sure you ready for an _alpha_ (pre-beta) ?
[18:59] <oxigen> also, last time i had problems nvidia drivers, what is best way to install them, to use drivers from nvidia.com or the ones from repository?
[18:59] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, you'll need to hold my hand here :(
[18:59] <Assid> 386 ..lol
[18:59] <Assid> that makes my eyes bleed
[18:59] <oxigen> flipstar: sorry, i know... :)
[19:00] <oxigen> flipstar: i have two hd's so there is no problems..
[19:00] <flipstar> no problem with that :)
[19:00] <flipstar> just like it was on gutsy
[19:00] <Assid> brb
[19:00] <Assid> reboot.. again
[19:01] <oxigen> flipstar: ok, what about nvidia, which drivers to use? (64bit distro)
[19:01] <alex_mayorga> synaptics shows I already have 2.6.24-11 downloaded, but uname -a says I have 2.6.24-10 going, what gives?
[19:01] <flipstar> oxigen: i personally use these from nvidia website..right now 171.05
[19:02] <oxigen> flipstar: thank you, do you use 64bit kernel?
[19:02] <flipstar> alex_mayorga: updating kernel needs reboot
[19:02] <flipstar> oxigen: no..32 bit
[19:02] <oxigen> hmm
[19:03] <alex_mayorga> looks like the headers we-re not pulled
[19:04] <oxigen> are there any known issues with 64bit ubuntu and drivers from nvidia site perhaps?
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> anything I might need besides the headers_
[19:07]  * r3m0t upgradesa
[19:07] <oxigen> when will be first beta release out?
[19:07] <r3m0t> thursday 13th
[19:07] <oxigen> this month?
[19:07] <r3m0t> yup
[19:08] <oxigen> hmm, cool!
[19:08] <oxigen> last time i couldnt install nvidia drivers :( i hope this time will go..
[19:09] <r3m0t> 1.5 GB?!
[19:09] <r3m0t> I suppose the final version will require a similarly large download
[19:09] <oxigen> what 1.5gb?
[19:09] <r3m0t> I'm trying to upgrade my system
[19:10] <oxigen> oh, upgrading is just too annoying (usually)
[19:10] <r3m0t> I had no idea I have so much stuff installed ;-) I don't even use KDE
[19:11] <r3m0t> I'm not even allowed to just download that much on this network
[19:11] <r3m0t> and the weekly updates will be a lot larger too... maybe I should hold off
[19:13] <oxigen> i really wish to have finally 64 bit system installed
[19:13]  * oxigen is still on 6.10
[19:13] <r3m0t> 64-bit? ...why?
[19:14] <oxigen> well, sounds cool! :)
[19:14] <r3m0t> and, 6.10? that isn't even LTS!
[19:14] <oxigen> i still getting updates
[19:15] <oxigen> and work good too! but i would like to see some new stuff :)
[19:15] <r3m0t> yeah new stuff is always good ;)
[19:16] <oxigen> well, i build new stuff 4 what i need, but gnome is old, kernel too,...
[19:16] <flipstar> when i remember right since hardy you also can upgade from earlier ditros than gutsy :)
[19:17] <oxigen> oh, no thank you, i need one working os :)
[19:18] <oxigen> i have second hd for such a playground
[19:19] <oxigen> 1 hour to go..
[19:20] <smurfslover> good evening
[19:20] <oxigen> but i must say that i LOVE Ubuntu, it's amazing distro
[19:20] <smurfslover> anyone had troubles with hardy and xorg?
[19:20] <oxigen> smurfslover, oh, you love smurfs even more than ubuntu!?
[19:20] <oxigen> :)
[19:20] <smurfslover> i prefer pclinuxos actually
[19:21] <smurfslover> i try other distro's for fun
[19:21] <oxigen> not yet
[19:21]  * oxigen waiting download
[19:21] <flipstar> hardy dont need an xorg.conf at all ..
[19:21] <r3m0t> I try other distro's for work (just kidding)
[19:21] <smurfslover> but smurfs are better
[19:21] <smurfslover> so why am i stuck to a 800x600 res
[19:22] <nurettin> how can i enable exif tag support in the advanced rename tool int the gnome commander.
[19:22] <oxigen> oh, you can play tetris only! :)
[19:22] <Milos_SD> linux meta package is now installing -11 version :)
[19:23] <flipstar> smurfslover: did you removed or renamed xorg.conf before install nvidia-glx-new ?
[19:23] <oxigen> mmm, does he need to?
[19:23] <flipstar> probably not
[19:23] <smurfslover> i didn't have a decent resolution before i installed nvidia driver
[19:24] <smurfslover> i tried ripping xorg.conf file from ubuntu gutsy live cd
[19:24] <smurfslover> that worked
[19:24] <oxigen> yea, how to install nvidia drivers without xorg is my question too! :)
[19:24] <smurfslover> but after installing the nvidia driver x was lost again
[19:25] <smurfslover> and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not probe my hardware
[19:25] <smurfslover> doesn't even try it directly brings me to the kernel framebuffer question
[19:25] <flipstar> what kind of hardware you using? maybe you need the legacy drivers..?
[19:25] <smurfslover> and yes i checked the cd before installing
[19:25] <oxigen> smurfslover: i had the same problems with alpha4!
[19:25] <smurfslover> nvidia FX5200
[19:27] <smurfslover> i use nvidia
[19:27] <oxigen> me too
[19:27] <smurfslover> i use nvidia100.14 driver with pclinuxos
[19:27] <nurettin> how can i enable exif tag support in the advanced rename tool int the gnome commander.
[19:27] <flipstar> i use nvidia 171.05 driver with hardy :)
[19:28] <oxigen> flipstar: do you use xorg?
[19:28] <smurfslover> i even think i have xvesa instead of xorg
[19:29] <smurfslover> max resolution of 600x800
[19:29] <flipstar> oxigen: yes..there is on created by the nvidia installer
[19:29] <oxigen> aha, ok..
[19:29] <smurfslover> i got the resolution right by using the xorg.conf file from ubuntu gutsy
[19:30] <Milos_SD> flipstar, isn't that driver for some nvidia server or something like that? :)
[19:30] <matjan> hmm... maybe it would help to install 2.6.24-11-generic ... i do not understand why update manager did not offer it as an update and only gave 2.6.24-1-386 as an option
[19:30] <matjan> it would not hurt to install the -generic kernel, right?
[19:30] <Milos_SD> matjan, use main server, and sudo apt-get update ... I think that it will install correct version now :)
[19:30] <nurettin> hello
[19:31] <nurettin> how can i enable exif tag support in the advanced rename tool int the gnome commander.
[19:31] <matjan> Milos_SD, ok, let me try
[19:31] <smurfslover> tomorrrow i'lll install nvidia-glx-new on the gutsy live cd then copy the xorg.conf file to hardy
[19:31] <smurfslover> then i retry when xorg.conf gets updated
[19:32] <flipstar> Milos_SD: yep.. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/171.05/
[19:32] <Milos_SD> or it is because I sellected 2.6.24-11-generic manualy before updating nvidia-glx-new
[19:32] <Mark_Milliman> Has anyone seen their bookmarks disappear in FF3b3 with today's slew of updates
[19:32] <Mark_Milliman> Not all of the kernel modules were updated today
[19:33] <Mark_Milliman> if you updated the nvidia-glx-new then it will only work with the i386 version of -11.17
[19:33] <Mark_Milliman> All of the rest of the kernel modules need to catch up to the -11.17 release
[19:34] <oxigen> why is always such a mess with nvidia drivers?
[19:34] <oxigen> i like project like is envy installer
[19:34] <Milos_SD> Mark_Milliman, if you select manualy restricted modules and kernel 2.6.24-11 generic, nvidia-glx-new will not install -386 version :)
[19:34] <flipstar> nothing compared with ati drivers ¦ /
[19:34] <oxigen> but probably there is no envy for hardy, huh?
[19:34] <matjan> right... if i install the -generic kernel, nvidia also needs to be updated again
[19:34] <Milos_SD> oxigen, there is
[19:34] <Milos_SD> :)
[19:35] <Milos_SD> envy-ng :)
[19:35] <oxigen> it is!?
[19:35] <nurettin> how can i enable exif tag support in the advanced rename tool int the gnome commander.
[19:35] <flipstar> matjan: right..
[19:35] <matjan> then all the cores on my cpu would be recognized but graphics would be crap
[19:36] <oxigen> Milos_SD: do you have some url of envy for hardy?
[19:36] <flipstar> it should work after reinstall nvidia drivers..
[19:36] <Milos_SD> matjan, I am instaling new generic kernel and nvidia drivers now... I will report back here if it is working :)
[19:36] <matjan> Milos_SD, sounds good ;-)
[19:36] <Milos_SD> oxigen, just go to envy web site :)
[19:36] <oxigen> i found it! :)
[19:36] <flipstar> !envy
[19:36] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[19:37] <Milos_SD> matjan, you have to manualy select generic packges of linux-image-2.6.24-11 nad linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-11
[19:37] <oxigen> flipstar: ok, i will try first with restricted... just to report some bug.. :)
[19:37] <Milos_SD> and then you can select nvidia-glx-new, but it will not install -386 kernel and modules :)
[19:38] <matjan> Milos_SD, ok, you talk about synaptic now, right?
[19:38] <Milos_SD> yes
[19:38] <oxigen> flipstar: but why you dont include envy in distro anyway, it's a nice script!
[19:38] <flipstar> oxigen: no..it aint so nice ..
[19:39] <flipstar> sure it work sometimes..
[19:39] <Milos_SD> oxigen, becouse it can mess up thinks somethimes :)
[19:39] <flipstar> exactly
[19:39] <matjan> Milos_SD, so it works fine?
[19:39] <oxigen> well, at least for end user..
[19:39] <matjan> graphics are good?
[19:39] <Milos_SD> it messed up my system, and I needed to delete some nvidia files on root system my self :)
[19:39] <flipstar> same here
[19:39] <Milos_SD> matjan, I am still downloading (150 MB on 1 Mbps speed) :)
[19:40] <matjan> oof
[19:40] <oxigen> for me was envy great easy way of installing drivers!
[19:40] <Mark_Milliman> Has anyone seen their FF bookmarks disappear today?
[19:41] <Milos_SD> Mark_Milliman, mine didn't... but I am doing updates now ... we will see after reboot :D
[19:41] <Mark_Milliman> okay Milos, good luck
[19:41] <Milos_SD> when we are at FF bookmarks :)
[19:41] <Mark_Milliman> I tried to import a backup but they won't import
[19:41] <nurettin> how can i enable exif tag support in the advanced rename tool int the gnome commander.
[19:42] <Milos_SD> how can I transfer bookmarks from Opera to FF3? :)
[19:42] <twb> AAAAAAAARGH
[19:42] <twb> I forgot that I have to update-initramfs after hacking casper
[19:42] <Mark_Milliman> I assume that there is a python or other package problem causing this
[19:42] <twb> 90 minutes wasted.
[19:42] <oxigen> i dont need bookmarks on FF, i use del.icio.us
[19:42] <Mark_Milliman> I assume that you can export them as HTML from Opera then import them to FF3
[19:43] <Milos_SD> yes... but how to import html one in FF3? :)
[19:43] <Milos_SD> :)
[19:43] <Mark_Milliman> open up your bookmarks
[19:44] <Mark_Milliman> go to Bookmarks>Show all bookmarks
[19:44] <Mark_Milliman> then do an import there
[19:44] <Milos_SD> thanks
[19:44] <Milos_SD> :)
[19:44] <Mark_Milliman> np
[19:44] <Milos_SD> I did it :D
[19:44] <Mark_Milliman> Good
[19:44] <Milos_SD> and one more question :)
[19:44] <Milos_SD> I had evolution-rss plugin
[19:45] <Milos_SD> but it is not working now :(
[19:45] <Milos_SD> something about it can't load some library
[19:45] <Milos_SD> :S
[19:45]  * r3m0t severely messes with his installation
[19:47] <KrimZon> argh
[19:47] <KrimZon> now i need more help
[19:47] <KrimZon> sorry
[19:47] <Assid> err
[19:47] <Assid> nautilis has a svn plugin?
[19:47] <Assid> something like tortoise on windows and what kdesvn has ?
[19:47] <KrimZon> i saw nautilus svn scripts
[19:47] <Assid> i tried installing that ..nothing happens :(
[19:48] <r3m0t> nice, my messing works
[19:48] <KrimZon> same here, i didnt know what to do after that
[19:48] <Assid> blind leading the blind
[19:48] <KrimZon> every time i click my mouse button once, i get two clicks happening in x
[19:50] <DanaG> Oh hey, does anybody here use radeonfb?  I'm wondering if it gets along with fglrx, and whether it gets along with radeonhd.
[19:51] <Assid> nvidia here.. ati on lappy
[19:51] <Milos_SD> it is working :D
[19:51] <nurettin> how can i enable exif tag support in the advanced rename tool int the gnome commander.
[19:51] <Milos_SD> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 8.04 - hardy Kernel: 2.6.24-11-generic, GNU/Linux | Xorg: <IP_ADDRESS> | Desktop: Gnome v2.2.9 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.8.4
[19:51] <Milos_SD> :D
[19:51] <flipstar> nice
[19:51] <Assid> kvircd does that?
[19:51] <Milos_SD> now ... How can I fix that problem with openoffice language :)
[19:51] <matjan> are there already skype packages for hardy?
[19:51] <Assid> hyphenation package?
[19:52] <Assid> i just got rid of it
[19:52] <Assid> matjan: skype.com
[19:52] <Assid> matjan:  i use the new beta one
[19:52] <Assid> needed video support
[19:52] <matjan> so it is not in the repos yet?
[19:52] <matjan> i see
[19:52] <matjan> right
[19:52] <DanaG> None of my friends use any VOIP apps.  :(
[19:52] <flipstar> the new kernel is now listed in update-manager ..
[19:52] <Assid> useless friends
[19:53] <Assid> new kernel ?
[19:53] <Assid> Milos_SD: kvirc doesnt display that ?
[19:53] <flipstar> Version 2.6.24-11.17
[19:53] <Milos_SD> Assid, that is xlack plugin for xchat
[19:53] <Milos_SD> :)
[19:54] <RyanPrior> I have a warning symbol in my notification area telling me that my package repository list is a week out of date, even though I just updated it.
[19:54] <Milos_SD> RyanPrior, change repository to main server
[19:54] <Milos_SD> :)
[19:55] <Assid> doesnt look like kvirc has it
[19:55] <Assid> DanaG: if you feel very bad about it.. i'll voip with you
[19:56] <RyanPrior> Milos_SD: As far as I can tell, I am using the main server.
[19:56] <Assid> okay so how does this svn scripts add on to nautilis
[19:57] <nurettin> how can i enable exif tag support in the advanced rename tool int the gnome commander.
[19:57] <Milos_SD> nurettin, where is that advanced rename tool in gnome commanger? I don't have that. :S
[19:58] <nurettin> Milos_SD: in the file menu
[19:59] <nurettin> Milos_SD: or ctrl+m button combination
[19:59] <DanaG> eeh, mostly have to do homework right now.
[19:59] <Milos_SD> nurettin, click on Metatag button
[20:00] <DanaG> handy thing in ekiga: call '555' and it echoes back whatever you send, including video.
[20:00] <Milos_SD> And there you have Exif
[20:00] <Milos_SD> :)
[20:00] <flipstar> im out..cya
[20:01] <nurettin> Milos_SD: yes but when i am click this this error happen <exif tags not supported
[20:02] <Milos_SD> maybe in that folder you don't have that exif type  ... :S
[20:03] <matjan> Milos_SD, so... download done?
[20:03] <Milos_SD> matjan, yes
[20:03] <Milos_SD> and it is working nice :)
[20:03] <Milos_SD> nvidia driver loaded :)
[20:03] <nurettin> Milos_SD: i know my picture has exif ,
[20:03] <matjan> all cores detected?
[20:04] <Milos_SD> matjan, yes ... I am using generic kernel
[20:04] <Milos_SD> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 8.04 - hardy Kernel: 2.6.24-11-generic, GNU/Linux | Xorg: <IP_ADDRESS> | Desktop: Gnome v2.2.9 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.8.4
[20:04] <Milos_SD> :)
[20:04] <matjan> right
[20:04] <matjan> perfect
[20:04] <matjan> i am going install then also
[20:04] <Milos_SD> just that problem with hyphenation package :D
[20:04] <nurettin> Milos_SD: i am sending screenshot image
[20:04] <matjan> Milos_SD, with nvidia restricted driver, right?
[20:05] <Milos_SD> matjan, yes
[20:05] <matjan> i had that one too... i just uninstalled it
[20:05] <matjan> i do not use openoffice that much anyways
[20:06] <Milos_SD> I will wait for an another update ...
[20:06] <matjan> nor word btw
[20:06] <Milos_SD> nurettin, I am not geting anything
[20:06] <Milos_SD> my DCC isn't working ...
[20:06] <Milos_SD> don't know why
[20:06] <nurettin> ok i am sending a link
[20:08] <nurettin> Milos_SD: http://antalyaemlak.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=59104
[20:09] <KrimZon> anyone know how to stop the mouse registering two clicks?
[20:09] <Oli``> woo the -11-generic is out
[20:10] <KrimZon> or at least how to work the menus with the keys
[20:10] <Milos_SD> nurettin, I am geting that error too :S
[20:10] <Milos_SD> Oli``, update to the latest xorg :)
[20:11] <nurettin> Milos_SD:  what is my problem solution
[20:11] <Milos_SD> I don't know :S
[20:11] <nurettin> ok.
[20:12] <nurettin> Milos_SD: thank you
[20:12] <Oli``> Milos_SD: what's wrong with it? I've been afk for ages
[20:12] <KrimZon> aha, its only the usb mouse that does it - touchpad is ok
[20:13] <Milos_SD> I don't know ... but now when I have all update installed, I don't have that problem ...
[20:13] <matjan> Milos_SD, how come the download was 150mb? i only need to download 46mb and that includes the headers package...
[20:14] <Milos_SD> well ... I didn't update anything for 4 days :D
[20:14] <matjan> i see :)
[20:15] <bsee> i think updates is another kind of internet addictions
[20:15] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833
[20:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:16] <Aeroraptor> so... quick question:
[20:16] <Aeroraptor> anyone know about GMA X3100 support?
[20:17] <bsee> dont look like right question
[20:17] <KrimZon> does -11 generic support the intel 3945 wireless?
[20:17] <bsee> this is right question
[20:17] <Aeroraptor> it's not supported in gusty, which makes me sad
[20:17] <Aeroraptor> but if it works in hardy I'll be happy.
[20:17] <Aeroraptor> the ubuntu wiki is pretty useless
[20:17] <oliver_g1> hello
[20:18] <oliver_g1> just wanted to ask whether that openoffice.org-hyphenation install conflict is already known?
[20:18] <Milos_SD> oliver_g1, it is...
[20:18] <oliver_g1> Milos_SD: ok then :-)
[20:19] <oliver_g1> (eh... didn't want to press for a solution - I have it solved locallly; but wanted to to make sure it's in LP)
[20:19] <DanaG> 3945 is part of the ubuntu-modules package.
[20:20] <Milos_SD> oliver_g1, how did you solved that ? :D
[20:21] <oliver_g1> Milos_SD: removed openoffice.org-hyphenation (the old package) with dpkg --remove :-)
[20:21] <Milos_SD> and, that didn't removed openoffice ?
[20:22] <oliver_g1> Milos_SD: no, dependency-wise it would even have worked in aptitude; but aptitude tried to fix the broken pkg first and then didn't even start the removal :-/
[20:22] <oliver_g1> hence the manual use of dpkg
[20:23] <bsee> Aeroraptor: this is for gutsy http://opensource-openmind.blogspot.com/2007/10/intel-gm965-graphics-x3100-chip-intel.html and yes X3100 supported in hardy... kind of, since some man complained much about how bad is this support
[20:23] <Milos_SD> dpkg --remove is not working with that package ... is there any command for forsing it to remove w/o touching other openoffice packages? :)
[20:24] <Aeroraptor> bsee, is hardy that bad that I should not use it, and should use that fix instead?
[20:25] <bsee> Aeroraptor: hardy should have latest drivers, so i think it should be equal
[20:25] <Aeroraptor> hmmm
[20:25] <Aeroraptor> I think I'll give it a go just for kicks
[20:25] <Aeroraptor> I have a very recent image of my system so I don't care either way
[20:25] <oliver_g1> Milos_SD: in what way does dpkg --remove not work for you? I just checked, and I really just ran "dpkg --remove openoffice.org-hyphenation" in root terminal
[20:26] <bsee> Aeroraptor: you may just try livecd, without installing
[20:26] <bsee> hardy still have some things broken
[20:26] <Aeroraptor> bsee, yeah I could.
[20:26] <Aeroraptor> important things?
[20:27] <Milos_SD> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of openoffice.org-hyphenation:
[20:27] <Milos_SD>  openoffice.org-core depends on openoffice.org-hyphenation.
[20:27] <Milos_SD> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-hyphenation (--remove):
[20:27] <Milos_SD>  dependency problems - not removing
[20:27] <Milos_SD> Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:27] <Milos_SD>  openoffice.org-hyphenation
[20:27] <Milos_SD> this way ... :S
[20:27] <Aeroraptor> I have the alpha5 iso downloaded and burned, so i think I'll just use that
[20:27] <bsee> for me looks like important, but not for devs lol
[20:27] <Aeroraptor> and I can just use like, koffice or abiword
[20:27] <Milos_SD> I will wait for ubuntu devs to solve this :)
[20:27] <Milos_SD> thanks anyway ...
[20:28] <twb> Holy hell, the timezone chooser in 8.04a5's ubiquity is surely meant to cause seizures in a11y users.
[20:28]  * Aeroraptor pops in the CD and reboots
[20:30] <oliver_g1> ok, another question: where would bug reports regarding problems with the new default theme go?
[20:30] <oliver_g1> would that go to the "murrine" package, or to ubuntu-artwork, or...?
[20:31] <CarlFK>  do-release-upgrade -d ... Setting up linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-11-generic (2.6.24-11.15) ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-11-generic; cp: cannot stat `/etc/udev/rules.d/05-udev-early.rules': No such file or directory
[20:31] <oliver_g1> (things like "the buttons in lower panel don't show well enough which app is focused")
[20:31] <CarlFK> the update did continue, so bug?
[20:33] <Oli``> oh bloody hell, this update has broken a lot of things >_<
[20:36] <matjan> Milos_SD, all up again
[20:36] <Oli``> the gnome settings daemon didn't start and compiz is borked: http://i.thepcspy.com/oli/urgh.png
[20:37] <Milos_SD> matjan, so it is working ?
[20:37] <Milos_SD> :)
[20:37] <matjan> but still, sometimes it hangs while booting... some interrupt thing it seems
[20:37] <matjan> it is
[20:37] <matjan> 4 cores + nvidia
[20:37] <Milos_SD> mine too ... on the begining of booting
[20:37] <bsee> it is normal for compiz being borked, so it is work as expected
[20:38] <Milos_SD> doesn't start imidiatly
[20:38] <Oli``> heh I'd actually had quite a good run with compiz recently... these are the first fireworks for a while
[20:38] <matjan> mine just halts
[20:39] <matjan> i will check /var/log/messages for it
[20:39] <Milos_SD> install bootchart and reboot
[20:39] <Oli``> ooo - switching it back to 4 virtual desktops fixes it
[20:39] <matjan> bootchart?
[20:39] <Milos_SD> and see what it is doing while it is booting :)
[20:40] <matjan> Oli``, i run compiz with 6... no problems at all
[20:40] <Milos_SD> picture of a bootchart will be in /var/log/bootchart/
[20:40] <Milos_SD> :)
[20:40] <matjan> Milos_SD, ahhh... i see
[20:40] <matjan> ok
[20:40] <Oli``> matjan: turn it down to 2 and see if you get the same as: http://i.thepcspy.com/oli/urgh.png
[20:40] <bsee> matjan: what videocard? (no problems at all -- looks like very... bold statement)
[20:43] <bsee> matjan: i cant hear you, where are you
[20:43] <bsee> i want magic videocard to, gonna buy it tomorrow
[20:43] <matjan> bsee, excuse me
[20:44] <matjan> bsee, you mean compiz without problems?
[20:44] <bsee> yes
[20:44] <matjan> maybe that was too bold a statement
[20:44] <bsee> what card?
[20:51] <bsee> matjan: so what video card you have?
[20:51] <sectech> Since there is no such thing as a production box with me I think it might be time to grab Alpha 5....
[20:51] <matjan> sorry about that... modem out of sync crap
[20:51] <matjan> bsee, nvidia 8600gts
[20:51] <oliver_g1> how can I force gnome to reload the icons in the applications menu?
[20:53] <bsee> matjan: mine is 7900 gtx, mine must be little better in term of performance, and uses same opengl driver... interesting how my card not work correctly with compiz, and yours work...
[20:54] <matjan> i use the nvidia restricted driver
[20:54] <matjan> i think yours should work well also
[20:54] <bsee> matjan: can you play opengl games with compiz enabled? and have no X freezes whatever
[20:54] <matjan> no idea
[20:55] <bsee> how so?
[20:55] <matjan> i've had this machine for 2 days now
[20:55] <bsee> oh
[20:55] <matjan> i have not played any game (yet)
[20:55] <bsee> so you must be have no time yet to catch all the bugas
[20:55] <bsee> bugs
[20:55] <Sonicadvance1> I had a 7900GS and Compiz ran fine on mine
[20:56] <matjan> bsee, maybe
[20:56] <matjan> in fact, compiz ran fine on my old machine which had an ati 9200se card
[20:56] <bsee> Sonicadvance1: and you have no titlebar corruption too? (but isnt it was proven it happens with all videocard?...)
[20:57] <Sonicadvance1> didn't have any
[20:57] <bsee> i must be looser
[20:57] <Oli``> compiz + games have been fine here (graphically - there are a few window-manager bugs solved by falling back to metacity when you play games)
[20:57] <bsee> got a videocard for $500, not like you guys
[20:58] <Sonicadvance1> bsee has the nvidia restricted drivers installed?
[20:58] <bsee> Sonicadvance1: of couse, cuz compiz require that
[20:59] <bsee> Sonicadvance1: so you can play games with compiz enabled?
[21:00] <Sonicadvance1> bsee, yes
[21:01] <bsee> and have no titlebar corruption on maximized firefox... no freezes, no 45% cpu load with minimizin/maximizin, no lockups and program crashes when trying to enable/disable compiz... must be miracle
[21:02] <bsee> i'm gonna trade my 7900 gtx for 7900 gs
[21:02] <bsee> anyone interested?
[21:04] <Sonicadvance1> eh?
[21:04] <Sonicadvance1> a GTX is better than a GS
[21:05] <bsee> Sonicadvance1: oh... maybe even X uses hardware rendering with your videocard? what you think? if you disable compiz...
[21:05] <bsee> well it seems not
[21:05] <Sonicadvance1> o.o
[21:05] <twb> bsee: compiz is not responsible for enabling hardware acceleration.  X, DRI and Mesa are.
[21:06] <Sonicadvance1> Well, even my eee runs Compiz fine >.>
[21:06] <twb> Sonicadvance1: eeePCs ship with an i8x0, which is relatively well documented and well supported, and has decent 3d acceleration.
[21:06] <_emet_> !info monodevelop
[21:06] <ubotu> monodevelop (source: monodevelop): C/C++/C#/Boo/Java/Nemerle/ILasm/ASP.NET Development Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.18.1+dfsg-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 3317 kB, installed size 10216 kB
[21:07] <bsee> twb: pardon? why i have 80% cpu load with compiz disabled when moving windows? DRI enabled
[21:07] <KrimZon> \o/
[21:07] <KrimZon> wireless and nvidia are both working
[21:07] <thecrypto> Hello, I am trying to figure out what happened to the ipw3945 driver. I didn't see anything in the updates for my kernel that this was going to be removed. How can I get it back?
[21:07] <Mark_Milliman> seems like -11.11 is downloading and installing now
[21:07] <Sonicadvance1> twb, Nvidia drivers are comparable to the Intel ones, and a 7900GTX should run better/faster/stronger w/e than the eee's can
[21:07] <twb> Sonicadvance1: maybe if you're using the tainted drivers...
[21:07] <Mark_Milliman> is anyone experiencing any problems with it and nvidia-glx-new
[21:08] <Sonicadvance1> lol
[21:08] <Sonicadvance1> I am :P
[21:08] <twb> Boo
[21:08] <twb> Hiss
[21:08]  * oxigen is going to install now alpha5...
[21:08] <Mark_Milliman> drivers arn't working?
[21:09] <bsee> twb: so you said i dont need compiz for X to use hardware rendering, right? can you tell me how to turn this thing on?
[21:09] <twb> bsee: turn what thing on?
[21:09] <thecrypto> When I try and modprobe ipw3945 I get that it is  not found and that it can't find ipw3945d for my kernel version. Is there a new kernel driver to use? I also see nothing in jockey.
[21:09] <bsee> hardware rendering
[21:09] <twb> glxinfo | grep direct.rendering
[21:09] <bsee> direct rendering: Yes
[21:10] <twb> You have hardware acceleration enabled.
[21:10] <bsee> how so? why it is cpu load is 80% when i moving windows?
[21:10] <twb> Maybe because your WM is shit?
[21:11] <bsee> i tested this with both gnome and kde, you must be know much better WM?
[21:11] <twb> tinywm?
[21:11] <twb> gnome and kde aren't window managers, they are desktop environments
[21:11] <bsee> and they use gdm and kwm or something right?
[21:12] <twb> By default they use metacity and kwin, respectively.
[21:12] <twb> Except I suspect Hardy changes this to Compiz
[21:12] <bsee> well tell me why cpu load is 2% if i turn on compiz with same WM
[21:12] <twb> Compiz *is* the WM
[21:14] <bsee> and how is Xorg fit to this? i mean same applies to xorg
[21:14] <thecrypto> Is there a new ipw3945d package? All I see is that the tarball was deleted? Where do I go?
[21:15] <twb> Xorg is an implementation of a server for the X11 protocol, plus some other bits (such as a client library).
[21:16] <bsee> yeah, and why it drop cpu load with compiz enabled
[21:16] <DanaG> iwl3945 doesn't need a daemon.
[21:16] <dareii> does anyone know if hardy (8.04) when final in april will have openoffice 2.4?
[21:17] <twb> bsee: I don't really know of care.     Even with no extra effects, it gives you at some benefits:
[21:23] <DanaG> No need to repaint, and no tearing if you use vsync.
[21:23] <twb> It's wrong, I tell you!
[21:23] <Sonicadvance1> You're just to strict for the meaning of WM :P
[21:24] <oliver_g1> DanaG: only compiz doesn't quite work under Ubuntu + Intel (no redirected indirect drawing) and some apps like f-spot need quirks to really work undre compiz
[21:25] <twb> IMO anyone moving windows by hand is silly in the first place.
[21:25] <oliver_g1> (apart from these bugs, compiz is great, esp. in "Normal effects" mode)
[21:25] <twb> moving and resizing windows is window management -- therefore it's the window manager's job, not the monkey in front of the keyboard.
[21:25] <twb> xmonad!  Yeah!
[21:25] <oliver_g1> twb: please don't insult my mom :-)
[21:25] <twb> Bah.
[21:26] <oliver_g1> ;-D
[21:26] <DanaG> Do you expect a window manager to be psychic?
[21:26] <DanaG> How else do you propose to have it move windows?
[21:26] <twb> With heuristics.
[21:26] <oliver_g1> well you also insult me, as I usually manually arrange windows on screen as I see fit
[21:27] <dareii> does anyone know if hardy (8.04) when final in april will have openoffice 2.4?
[21:27] <oliver_g1> (ok not insult, but I don't share your opinion)
[21:27] <twb> oliver_g1: have you actually tried a tiling WM?
[21:28] <oliver_g1> twb: which one would that be?
[21:28] <twb> xmonad or ratpoison would be obvious choices.
[21:28] <oliver_g1> twb: afaikl kwin places new windows so they don't overlap too much
[21:28] <Hydrogen> or dwm..
[21:28] <Hydrogen> or any one of a lot
[21:28] <oliver_g1> no, didn't try xmonad or ratpoison or dwm
[21:28] <twb> oliver_g1: tiling wms don't allow windows to overlap at all
[21:28] <oliver_g1> twb: but they allow windows to be minimized?
[21:28] <twb> They allow them to be iconized.
[21:29] <twb> And/or unmapped.
[21:29] <twb> This is what you probably think of as "minimized
[21:29] <oliver_g1> twb: anyway how does it work? Do they rearrange windows if I iconize/open windows?
[21:30] <twb> You have several pre-configured modes of operation, the two most common being "show only one window, fully maximized" and "split the screen vertically (or horizontally) between all open windows"
[21:30] <oliver_g1> I don't like my windows moved without my knowledge, as I expect them to be at a certain location (like: wok shell is in a long terminal on right side; other shell is on left of screen)
[21:30] <oliver_g1> twb: I usually have about 10-20 windows open per desktop...
[21:30] <twb> As windows are created and destroyed, the WM places and sizes them (and other mapped windows) so they all "fit neatly" in accordance with the active policy.
[21:30] <oliver_g1> no use tiling all of them at once
[21:31] <twb> oliver_g1: so you would iconize most of them.
[21:31] <oliver_g1> hmm...
[21:31]  * oliver_g1 ponders whether that would fit with current "workflow"
[21:32] <oliver_g1> I assume switching between "fullsize" and "tiled" is a matter of one key combo?
[21:33] <twb> Yes.
[21:33] <twb> In xmonad, it's be Alt+Space in the default configuration
[21:33] <oliver_g1> well it sounds like a nice concept... I usually switch between kdevelop (fullscreen) and two terminals (tiled)...
[21:34] <oliver_g1> now, is there a way to have that functionality in kwin >:-D
[21:34] <twb> No, kwin is not a tiling WM.
[21:34] <twb> Nor is it programmable, like sawfish or stumpwm.
[21:34] <oliver_g1> I sense a KDE feature request coming up...
[21:35] <twb> There's no reason you can't run xmonad as the KDE wm.
[21:35] <oliver_g1> afaik kwin plays an important role in the kde customizations I have made on my desktop
[21:35] <oliver_g1> like global keyboard combos
[21:35] <twb> Normally you'd just port them to your xmonad (or whatever) config, or use a separate utility like xbindkeys
[21:36] <twb> Anyway, this is seriously off-topic.  You can wander by #xmonad, #ratpoison, #stumpwm &c for more info.
[21:36] <oliver_g1> twb: sorry but I'm still reluctant to run kde without kwin underneath...
[21:36] <oliver_g1> twb: agreed, OT...
[21:37] <oliver_g1> aynway the ideas are nice :-)
[22:01] <Milos_SD> why is starting booting hardy slower then booting Gutsy? :(
[22:01] <Milos_SD> on my Core2Duo it needs 28sec to boot
[22:01] <Milos_SD> but, Gutsy needed 24sec
[22:01] <Milos_SD> :(
[22:03] <asdrubal> Ubuntu still hasn't fixed cx88-alsa module
[22:03] <asdrubal> in -10 kernel
[22:05] <clinton> How can I start kde's login manager so that I can get my user to automatically login on boot?
[22:05] <clinton> I can get it to start with system settings, but there is no available root mode.
[22:06] <twb> Using alpha5, when I try to play the sample .ogg video from the livecd, the video output is "skewed" so that none of the rows line up and you can't see the picture.
[22:07] <panosru> hi, why wine does not work with hardy heron?
[22:07] <Pici> Because Hardy is still an alpha
[22:07] <nandemonai> Hello everyone.
[22:08] <asdrubal> nandemonai, howdy
[22:08] <panosru> i know that is an alpha version i just ask if there is any fix for that or if i have to wait for an update.
[22:09] <clinton> panosru: that wasn't your first question :P  You asked why it wasn't working.
[22:09] <nandemonai> Has anyone had trouble with VLC not playing audio from xvid compressed .avi? I only noticed it last night (alpha5). Seems sporadic as sometimes it works fine. Movie Player on the other hand seems to play them fine..
[22:09] <panosru> clinton its not hard to understand the meaning of the question.
[22:12] <clinton> panosru: here's an analogy, you take your car to the repairshop, and you ask the guy "Why is my car not working?"   How's he supposed to answer that?
[22:13] <panosru> clinton -> mechanical to me: Because is still an alpha! LOL
[22:13] <asdrubal> nandemonai, it's probably trying to play surround sound
[22:14] <twb> Pici: it's not exactly an accurate inference that "hardy is in alpha" implies "wine does not work" ;-)
[22:14] <DanaG> Using the Gutsy version of Wine in Hardy works.
[22:15] <DanaG> Changelog for Hardy version: "Fix some bugs".
[22:15] <asdrubal> nandemonai, while it's playing, right click on the video window, go to "Audio Device" and make sure it's stereo and not 5.1 or something else.
[22:15] <DanaG> To me, "Fix some bugs" != "New Feature: Segfaults!"
[22:15] <nandemonai> asdrubal, I'll check it out, thanks.
[22:16] <asdrubal> nandemonai, actually 5.1 works... just make sure it's not "A/52 over S/PDIF"
[22:19] <nandemonai> Hmm odd. I don't seem to have those options under audio. Although now that I'm testing this morning it's working fine on files that weren't playing properly last night. Sporadic like I said.
[22:19] <DanaG> That reminds me: the dolby-digital encoding ALSA plugin isn't packaged!
[22:20] <asdrubal> nandemonai, I said right click on video screen while playing
[22:20] <asdrubal> and go to Audio Devices
[22:20] <DanaG> Did you know..... there is a real-time dolby digital encoding plugin for ALSA?
[22:20] <nandemonai> Yup, Mono/Stereo are  the only options.
[22:21] <asdrubal> nandemonai, are you sure this is a video that wasn't working for you before?
[22:22] <asdrubal> nandemonai, also if you have a cheapo sound card maybe another program locked up your sound card...
[22:22] <nandemonai> Positive. The video was playing just no audio, now it's playing fine.
[22:22] <twb> Eeek!
[22:22] <nandemonai> Actually that's possible, it's only internal sound. Realtek.
[22:22] <twb> Eeek!  /etc/bash_completion is missing!
[22:24] <nandemonai> Ahh ok now we're onto something.. Just tried playing some music while the video was playing and nada. Odd, I'm sure this worked ok in Gutsy with multiple audio streams at once.
[22:26] <DanaG> !bash_completion
[22:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bash_completion - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:27] <DanaG> !jack
[22:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:27] <DanaG> jack-<another word here>
[22:28] <asdrubal> nandemonai, if every program is using alsa it should work
[22:28] <asdrubal> nandemonai, if a program is using OSS it will lock the card up
[22:28] <asdrubal> nandemonai, make sure vlc is configured for alsa
[22:28] <asdrubal> as well as your other program
[22:28] <arig> hi, i downloaded today's ppc build of hardy and was expecting it to be a live cd but at boot prompt i didn't see 'live' as option, pressed enter and it started to prompt me to install. am i doing something wrong?
[22:28] <twb> DanaG: will there be an alpha6?
[22:28] <nandemonai> Will do. I'll check system sound settings too.
[22:29] <DanaG> Beats me.  I'm not a developer, actually.
[22:30] <twb> DanaG: OK, apologies for singling you out :-)
[22:31] <nandemonai> asdrubal, Viola! In Prefs -> Sound it was set to auto detect. I forced ALSA and now it's working as it was before. I'm assuming it was defaulting to OSS for some reason. Thanks for the help.
[22:31] <asdrubal> nandemonai, sure thing
[22:32] <twb> nandemonai: but is it a stradivarius?
[22:32] <asdrubal> what's a stradivarius
[22:33] <nandemonai> Umm No, no it's not ;)
[22:33] <twb> A maker of string instruments.
[22:33] <asdrubal> I have a sblive... I can play 64 simultaenous streams with OSS, alsa or any combination
[22:33] <nandemonai> Very expensive stringed instruments.
[22:33] <asdrubal> those things are overrated
[22:33] <asdrubal> heh
[22:34] <nandemonai> Anyhoo thanks for all the help.
[22:34] <asdrubal> considering their price
[22:34] <twb> asdrubal: if they're good enough for Sherlock Holmes, they're good enough for me.
[22:34] <asdrubal> sherlock holmes relates to stradivarius how?
[22:34] <twb> "No violence, gentlemen, please!  Consider the furniture!"
[22:34] <twb> asdrubal: he bought one from a pawnbroken for ten shillings, or something equally absurd.
[22:35] <twb> I'd look up the specific story were I not so apallingly lazy.
[22:41] <teethdood> gnome-power-manager sucked up every ounce of memory I had, it was using 680MB of RAM and 900MB swap
[22:42] <twb> Heh.
[22:45] <arig> oh, i somehow downloaded the wrong iso
[22:47] <teethdood> downloaded 7.04 iso didn't you? It's 3 months into 2008, stop writing 2007
[22:48] <arig> heh, no, download hardy-alternate-ppc when i meant to download hardy-desktop-ppc
[22:49] <arig> i guess i should have known something was wrong when i looked at the md5sum, but hey, i'm a beginner and decided to just forge ahead =)
[22:52] <DanglyBits> how do i install kde 4.0.1 into hardy ubuntu?
[22:56] <napsy_> DanglyBits: I think there's a kde4 metapackage that install other kde4 dependencies
[22:56] <DanglyBits> apt-get what???
[22:57] <napsy_> kde4
[22:58] <napsy_> but as I understood, kde4 is a "development snapshot" release
[22:58] <napsy_> so it's not really ment for production use
[23:22] <teprrr> the 3.5 series is more complete at this point
[23:22] <teprrr> but yes, kde4 is "stable" currently :)
[23:23] <donomo> is it possible to get KDE4 installed on Hardy? (without using kbuntu)
[23:24] <teprrr> yes, sure
[23:24] <teprrr> (at least I think so:)
[23:24] <donomo> sudo apt-get install kde4 =>  212 newly installed, Need to get 250MB of archives.
[23:24] <donomo> guess so :)
[23:24] <teprrr> I thought ubuntu and kubuntu share the base packages, but include different desktop environment besides the base
[23:25] <teprrr> yup, use aptitude or something in case you want to remove your kde later easily
[23:25] <teprrr> kde4's desktop isn't yet as powerful as the kde3 one though, but there are some niceties everywhere
[23:26] <teprrr> but like napsy_ said, it isn't yet ready for prime-time for a basic user
[23:26] <donomo> you're saying there's a benefit to installing deb packages with aptitude over apt-get?
[23:28] <teprrr> hmm. we'll, I think apt-get can nowadays also remove unused libraries
[23:28] <teprrr> in the past apt-get didn't keep a track about which libraries are still needed and which aren't.
[23:29] <donomo> yeah, i can see using aptitude for the uninstall.
[23:44] <crf> hello. I was having trouble printing a document from the web. There is a cups error log. In the log it has an unrecoverable error in GPL ghostscript. Should I file a bug in Cups or in GPL ghostscript?
[23:45] <AtomicSpark> crf: i think it said you can't print from firefox right now. let me check.
[23:45] <RAOF> crf: Probably start with Cups, and mention that it might be in ghostscript.  Either way, it doesn't matter _too_ much; it's easy to move bugs to the correct package.
[23:45] <AtomicSpark> which would make it a known issue.
[23:46] <AtomicSpark> !bug #194486
[23:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194486 in firefox-3.0 "printing in Firefox 3 Beta 3 is broken" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194486
[23:46] <teprrr> donomo, though apt-get in hardy has auto-remove also
[23:46] <Mark_Milliman> AtomicSpark, does FF3b3 work for you since today's updates?
[23:47] <AtomicSpark> hardy never liked my laptop, i'm just in here because it's less chaotic then the main room.
[23:47] <Mark_Milliman> My bookmarks don't display, loading pages never complete, the address bar is blank, and so is the status bar.
[23:47] <Mark_Milliman> I thought you were on hardy
[23:47] <Mark_Milliman> my mistake
[23:47] <slackern> was the ff3 update very recently?
[23:47] <AtomicSpark> nope.
[23:47] <crf> AtomicSpark, RAOF, thanks :-)
[23:48] <AtomicSpark> i just have nothing else to do :) lol
[23:48] <Mark_Milliman> I'm trying to find out if anyone hanging out in here has seen this problem or is it just an extension bug
[23:48] <slackern> Mine works just as usual here, didnt update since yesterday and didn't get any updates either for it
[23:48] <Mark_Milliman> probably good not to take today's updates, kernel issues among other things
[23:49] <Mark_Milliman> I finally have a decent kernel that works with the updated nVidia drivers
[23:49] <slackern> The new kernel is running for me so far atleast :)
[23:49] <Mark_Milliman> Just is that FF3b3 isn't working right
[23:49] <Mark_Milliman> If you updated in the last couple of hours things seem to be fixed
[23:50] <Mark_Milliman> This morning I had -11.17 but it didn't work with nvidia-glx-new
[23:50] <Mark_Milliman> only the i386 version worked for me
[23:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what's the new nvidia driver version from ubuntu?
[23:50] <Mark_Milliman> not all of the packages in the repository were at -11.17
[23:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> 169.12?
[23:51] <Mark_Milliman> that's the one I am on
[23:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or 169.09
[23:51] <Mark_Milliman> 169.12
[23:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so they updated it to 169.12
[23:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sweet
[23:51] <Mark_Milliman> a few hours ago the repositories were all updated to -11.10
[23:51] <DanaG> I haven't noticed any difference at all with 169.12 over 169.09.
[23:51] <Mark_Milliman> now most things work agin
[23:52] <Mark_Milliman> I have seen some minor improvements with font rendering in Skype and some other apps
[23:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya me too
[23:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> but i guess it could be caused by some other upgrades
[23:53] <Mark_Milliman> could be but I think it is the nvidia drivers
[23:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what i hate about skype is that it wont allow u to choose ur own fonts
[23:54] <Mark_Milliman> So does everyone that updated today have their bookmarks in FF3b3?  If so then I'll check a new profile.
[23:54] <Mark_Milliman> TuTUXG, I agree
[23:54] <Mark_Milliman> Skype seems to choose its own fonts instead of inheriting them from Gnome or KDE.
[23:57] <Mark_Milliman> Is anyone able to browse SAMBA shares from Nautilus?
[23:57] <Aeroraptor-M> Mark_Milliman, I am
[23:57] <Aeroraptor-M> I just now got it to work
[23:58] <Aeroraptor-M> no problems so far
[23:58] <Mark_Milliman> I can't browse even the ones on this machine
[23:58] <Aeroraptor-M> hmmmm
[23:58] <Aeroraptor-M> what happens?
[23:58] <Mark_Milliman> Aeroraptor-M, did you have to do anything special?