[07:27] <flocculant> ATTN: Xubuntu Core 16.04 - amd64 - installer crashed
[07:28] <flocculant> Unit193: I'll keep trying when they turn up :)
[07:29] <flocculant> knome: ack re articles - glad you've managed to login in at least once :)
[07:30] <Unit193> Bah, well thanks for trying at least.
[08:37] <knome> was able to log in on the first try now as well..
[08:41] <knome> ...and second time
[11:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: if you want to play with breaks/replaces, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1569281
[11:26] <bluesabre> my quick attempts this morning have failed, but I'm probably just missing something small
[12:19] <flocculant> like a 64px icon :p
[12:31] <flocculant> knome: meh - stupid mailman message size - got a message in moderation
[12:31] <flocculant> or anyone else who happens to have the key to the cupboard :p
[12:32] <Unit193> flocculant: You want to re-send without the image?  I can allow if not.
[12:33] <flocculant> guess so :p
[12:33] <flocculant> stupid mailman ...
[12:34] <flocculant> Unit193: delete the one that's too big for mailman but ok for elsewhere :D
[12:34] <flocculant> thanks
[12:34] <Unit193> Wilco.
[12:34] <flocculant> Johnson
[15:53] <pleia2> flocculant: put the RC testing request on g+/fb/twitter
[16:30] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)
[16:31] <pleia2> thanks for all your work tracking this all through the cycle, I know how tedious this job is, but important for keeping us all on track
[16:35] <flocculant> I don't often feel like you're all children who need the naughty step - so everything seems to be working :p
[17:25] <Nairwolf> hi guys, how are you ? I would like to ask you if the xubuntu wiki on wiki.ubuntu.com will be dropped and replaced by wiki.xubuntu.org ?
[17:25] <Nairwolf> Or will you use both in the same time ?
[17:30] <pleia2> we've moved the content we can to wiki.xubuntu.org, we likely won't delete the one on wiki.u.c completely since a lot of thinks link there
[17:30] <pleia2> afaik we still can't move the meeting agenda because we use includes there that we haven't quite sorted out on w.x.o
[17:31] <pleia2> s/thinks/things
[17:31] <Unit193> Also the output from meetingology doesn't work directly.
[17:31] <pleia2> yeah, it's in moin syntax, not doku
[17:34] <Nairwolf> ok, so you will still use both, but you will try to use w.x.o in most of cases ? Okay, nice !
[17:35] <Unit193> Isn't Doku close to Mediawiki?  It's already got one for that.
[17:37] <pleia2> Unit193: they're all close ;)
[17:37] <Unit193> Well... Real close then. :P
[17:42] <pavlushka> Hello every one!
[17:42] <davmor2> pavlushka: hello
[17:42] <flocculant> davmor2: !!!
[17:42] <flocculant> hi :p
[17:43] <flocculant> hello pavlushka
[17:43] <pavlushka> Hello flocculant !
[17:43] <pavlushka> Hello davmor2!
[17:45] <pavlushka> I filed a bug #1567516 that hasn't been confirmed and hasn't marked duplicate but that is fixed now as I am not experiencing now after update
[17:46] <pavlushka> I've even added a sceenshot as a visual proof.
[17:49] <flocculant> so it's not a bug?
[17:49] <pavlushka> might be it was good to discuss every bug about 16.04 here so that you can confirm, it happened once.
[17:50] <pavlushka> that you confirmed parole bug.
[17:50] <pavlushka> flocculant: I dont know, you tell me.
[17:51] <flocculant> ...
[17:51] <flocculant> pavlushka: YOU said "I am not experiencing now after update"
[17:51] <pavlushka> yes
[17:53] <flocculant> ok - so if you aren't seeing it after an update in a dev version then we can mark it invalid or something
[17:54] <pavlushka> if you think it should be , then you must, you guys are dev.
[17:55] <pavlushka> I have no opinion but kinda confused.
[17:56] <flocculant> pavlushka: not sure what's confusing
[17:56] <flocculant> you said something was a bug - then you don't see it
[17:57] <flocculant> if it's been fixed because of an update - good
[17:57] <flocculant> but you can't add what's fixed it
[17:57] <flocculant> we can mark it as not a bug
[17:57] <pavlushka> yes, and ok , on your words.
[17:58] <flocculant> or just ignore it and in time it will get marked (can't remember how off hand)
[17:59] <flocculant> so I think what I'm going to do is just ignore it - even if it IS a bug - it's not something that Xubuntu has control over - so we would have to wait for someone else to deal with it
[18:01] <pavlushka> flocculant: if you think so. but next time I must knock about bug here,
[18:01] <flocculant> pavlushka: if it's something we can help with yes
[18:01] <pavlushka> well, that is to find out.
[18:02] <flocculant> not every package that Xubuntu includes is something that the Xubuntu team is involved in
[18:02] <flocculant> in fact most are not
[18:02] <pavlushka> hmm, copy.
 might be it was good to discuss every bug about 16.04 here so that you can confirm, it happened once.
[18:02] <flocculant> ^^ for instance isn't the case completely
[18:03] <flocculant> I get bugs with things I use - if it is not something that is under our control - I take it elsewhere
[18:04] <pavlushka> flocculant: sorry, you are getting over my head, I am to much stupid to understand that.
[18:04] <pavlushka> *too much
[18:04] <flocculant> pavlushka: ok I'll try and simplify what I mean by that
[18:05] <flocculant> I report bugs in things like clementine and hexchat - I don't talk about them here - we have no control and no interest as a team
[18:05] <flocculant> some things like gnome software - we use - we don't fix - so I go talk about them where they *can* be
[18:06] <flocculant> does that make sense?
[18:06] <Unit193> Things still on my list: Indicators using massive amounts of CPU, ubiquity crashing.
[18:06] <flocculant> really?
[18:06] <pavlushka> Yes flocculant , I am sure about hexchat and there is a #hexchat for that but when I am not sure, may be you people can make me sure.
[18:07] <flocculant> Unit193: ind's that is ?
[18:07] <flocculant> pavlushka: then perhaps if you're not sure - ask in -offtopic if it's something we're interested in first :)
[18:08] <Unit193> flocculant: Not made much comment on it because it's only reproduced on one Xenial install, so just stopped using indicators there and shruged.
[18:08] <flocculant> :)
[18:08] <flocculant> not noticed anything like that - or reports
[18:08] <pavlushka> flocculant: copy that. but once you and knome told me that it should be asked here first too and then if it's offtopic, we will move there.
[18:09] <flocculant> I've changed my mind
[18:09] <pavlushka> lol, ok
[18:10] <flocculant> pavlushka: between now and next Thursday I am going to be interested in pretty much one thing only
[18:10] <flocculant> testing iso's
[18:10] <pavlushka> I've seen your mail.
[18:11] <Unit193> flocculant: Yeah, with the sound indicator or pulseaudio it's far worse, but xfce4-indicator-plugin is bad enough by itself.  Anywho, only seen it in one of 3 Xenial installs, so filed it under voodoo.
[18:11] <flocculant> \o/
[18:11] <pavlushka> ^
[18:12] <flocculant> definitely not seen anything like that with pa indicator
[18:12] <pavlushka> and Hi Unit193 !
[18:12] <Unit193> Hallo.
[18:12] <pavlushka> ola!
[18:14] <flocculant> pavlushka: this is a good case - pulse audio control - we use that - we do some things with it - but I have a bug where a webcam interferes with it - when you have the specific sound card I have - so I took that bug upstream
[18:16] <pavlushka> flocculant: can you tell me a little more about "when you have the specific sound card I have - so I took that bug upstream"?
[18:17] <flocculant> I had a bug, you'd see it if you had a webcam plugged in with usb AND the soundcard I have - different soundcard - no bug - so  I reported it upstream, where someone looked, confirmed it, eventually the fix will land there - and because it's upstream everyone will get the benefit
[18:19] <pavlushka> flocculant: sorry for the bother, what do you mean by upstream, tell me once and I will never ask you again.
[18:19] <flocculant> xfce is upstream to xubuntu
[18:19] <flocculant> debian is upstream to ubuntu
[18:19] <flocculant> and us via us being based on ubuntu
[18:19] <flocculant> sih
[18:19] <flocculant> ish
[18:20] <pavlushka> wow, I didn't know that,
[18:20] <flocculant> so I went and reported the bug somewhere else
[18:21] <flocculant> that'll have to do now - I'm in the middle of a bunch of other stuff
[18:22] <pavlushka> hmm, copy that, I've seen your bug conversation about hexchat though.
[18:41] <flocculant> knome: worked a bit on the wallpaper pad thingy
[19:23] <Nairwolf> hi everyone, hi flocculant ;) Thank you for your answer and your patience ;)
[19:24] <flocculant> hi Nairwolf
[19:26] <Nairwolf> I hope the release will be good.
[19:27] <Nairwolf> After the final release, I will try the upgrade for myself with a backup computer by cloning my actual configuration (I have some ppa), and if it works, I will do it for my 'real used' computer. I've understood that upgrading tests isn't for now, but I will notice you the result.
[19:28] <Nairwolf> For this week, I should be able to test some isos.
[19:28] <flocculant> Nairwolf: generally the upgrade isn't offered immediately, so nice to get upgrade tests, but iso testing is more important right now
[19:31] <Nairwolf> Yes, I understand perfectly. And as I said, it's for my personal use case, and I will do it *after* the release. Iso testing will be my concern also this week ;)
[19:32] <Nairwolf> I've discovered Xubuntu (and linux world) with 14.04 two years ago, that's why I'm asking so much question about upgrade, because it will be the first time I will do that, and the first time I'm waiting a LTS release.
[19:39] <flocculant> :)
[20:41] <slickymaster> bluesabre, just noticed today that https://translations.launchpad.net/xfpanel-switch wasn't yet translated into pt
[20:41] <slickymaster> it is now ;)
[20:55] <knome> pleia2, helllooo
[20:56] <knome> pleia2, social media time
[20:56] <knome> pleia2, https://xubuntu.org/news/my-media-manager-cloud/ is out
[20:57] <knome> ^ thanks for all contributing
[20:57] <pleia2> k
[20:58] <knome> pleia2, and thanks for enduring with me
[20:58] <pleia2> knome: thanks for doing all the work, sorry I'm so snowed under over here
[20:58] <knome> no problem
[20:58] <knome> easy now that most of the stuff is written
[20:59] <knome> (and i can log in to wordpress sites)
[20:59] <pleia2> g+ and fb done
[20:59] <knome> thanks
[20:59] <pleia2> oh good, logins are working again
[20:59] <knome> yeah, looks like they are
[20:59] <pleia2> was having trouble with fridge last night
[20:59] <knome> no problems today morning or evening
[21:00] <pleia2> great
[21:00] <knome> so
[21:00] <knome> one more article tomorrow
[21:00] <knome> then thursday is free from articles
[21:00] <knome> then another on friday
[21:00] <knome> and the final one on tuesday
[21:01] <knome> for these series, that is
[21:01] <knome> of course we need other stuff
[21:02] <pleia2> woo
[21:23] <Unit193> cyphermox: I don't suppose LP 1549085 and https://bitbucket.org/snippets/unit193/ERyrq/ubiquity-crash are one and the same, are they?  That'd be pretty handy, though they crash at different plugins. :P
[22:07] <knome> bluesabre, in xenial, which wallpapers are installed by default?
[22:07] <knome> new contest winners and our own stuff
[22:07] <knome> or old contest winners too?
[22:08] <bluesabre> knome: just the old for new installs, both for old installs
[22:08] <bluesabre> er
[22:08] <bluesabre> just the new
[22:08] <knome> :D
[22:08] <bluesabre> :D
[22:08] <knome> oki
[22:09] <slickymaster> bluesabre → http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/04/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t20:41
[22:10] <bluesabre> slickymaster: yeah, missed it, and translation deadline is now gone
[22:10] <knome> slickymaster, ahahahahah!
[22:10] <slickymaster> my fault anyway
[22:10] <knome> slickymaster, add that to the wiki so you'll remember next time
[22:11] <slickymaster> just noticed it today
[22:11] <slickymaster> ok
[22:16] <krytarik> bluesabre: That doesn't mean you can't upload it still though.


[14:45] <chamois> Hello everyone! sakrecoer sorry but I was busy during this few weeks so I couldn't work on the boot logo. I'll work on it this weekend. Are there any other limits aside from logo and word trademarks?


[17:39] <waldo323> good afternoon
[18:48] <cmaloney> Howdy
[18:48] <jrwren> what is so good about it?
[18:49] <cmaloney> One day closer to the heat-death of the universe?
[18:49] <jrwren> oh, ok
[18:49] <waldo323> it is almost Friday, and almost St Patrick's day?
[18:49] <jrwren> last night I watched S7 ep 25 of ST:TNG with my kiddo.
[18:49] <waldo323> our zenoss is mostly working?
[18:50] <waldo323> nice
[18:50] <jrwren> I tried to explain to her the importance of Steven Hawking
[18:50] <waldo323> how'd it go?
[18:52] <jrwren> i'm not sure that she really fathoms it
[18:53] <brousch> My son was also uninterested. He didn't know who it was until I showed him a picture. "Oh that dude!"
[18:54] <brousch> If it's not in a video game, it doesn't matter
[18:54] <jrwren> kids are terrible.
[18:55] <jrwren> Shortly after, my daughter sang, "Putting on our dancing shoes
[18:55] <jrwren> Going to the discotheque
[18:55] <jrwren> Getting high and getting wrecked"
[18:55] <jrwren> and my jaw dropped and I said, "WHAT?!? GETTING HIGH?!?!?!"
[18:56] <jrwren> I had to google the lyrics and discover it is a Charli XCX song
[18:56] <jrwren> I've failed as a parent.
[18:56] <brousch> I don't know what that is
[18:56] <brousch> EMPUG?! https://www.meetup.com/empugdotorg/events/247701835/
[19:05] <cmaloney> Yes, i think that's a new thing
[19:09] <cmaloney> New as in since 2016.
[19:09] <cmaloney> (*blush*)
[19:51] <jrwren> lol, i just typed 'artsy" instead of "artful"


[06:59] <Klaidas> @schedule Vilnius
[06:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 23 May 00:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 23:00: Technical Board | 24 May 16:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 23:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 May 19:00: Community Council
[08:11] <stgraber> @schedule zurich
[08:11] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 May 18:00: Community Council


[13:21] <jp_Hranice_> Hallo.
[13:24] <jp_Hranice_> I have a problem: at startup system try to mount 2 devices, thre are no the devices in /etc/fstab, it is loged in boot.log
[13:24] <jp_Hranice_> jiri.podvolecky@volny.cz


[00:00] <spm> MTecknology: go for it
[00:01] <MTecknology> spm: thanks
[00:05] <MTecknology> spm: last question I think..... https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-themes/ubuntu-drupal-themes/6.x bazaar is still lp:loco-drupal/6.x
[00:06] <spm> MTecknology: hmmmm. interesting. mwhudson jml ^^  - context: the project was renamed from memory - would that account for that?
[00:07] <MTecknology> spm: I just took the branch and reassigned it to that team/project
[00:07]  * jml needs more context
[00:08] <jml> MTecknology: loco-drupal was renamed to ubuntu-drupal-themes, but the branch for 6.x is still showing the wrong alias -- is that right?
[00:08] <mwhudson> spm: the branch is set for this series https://edge.launchpad.net/loco-drupal/6.x
[00:08] <MTecknology> jml: nope - loco-drupal wasn't renamed
[00:09] <MTecknology> jml: hrm... you could rename it to that instead?? but you'd need to drop ubuntu-drupal-themes and rename loco-drupal to ubuntu-drupal-themes
[00:10] <jml> I cannot.
[00:10] <jml> MTecknology: what I meant to ask is, why is it a bug for you that https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-themes/ubuntu-drupal-themes/6.x is still lp:loco-drupal/6.x
[00:11] <MTecknology> jml: loco-drupal is a collection of themes and modules. We're trying to separate things and change the names.
[00:11] <jml> MTecknology: so, that branch doesn't belong to loco-drupal any more?
[00:11] <MTecknology> nope
[00:11] <MTecknology> ubuntu-drupal-themes
[00:11] <spm> ah. apologies. I misunderstood the problem.
[00:11] <jml> MTecknology: ok. Are you a member of loco-drupal?
[00:12] <MTecknology> ya, I'm the highest contributer too
[00:12] <MTecknology> I can just drop the series, can't I?
[00:12] <jml> MTecknology: yeah, go to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/loco-drupal/6.x and drop the branch from the series.
[00:13] <MTecknology> jml: thanks :)
[00:13] <jml> MTecknology: np
[00:25] <wgrant> If I have ghost revisions in a branch on LP, how do I push the real ones once I've run fetch-ghosts in a local branch?
[00:30] <jml> wgrant: I don't know, but I *think* the answer would be the same for any Bazaar server.
[00:30] <jml> wgrant: which is to say, ask #bzr :)
[00:30] <wgrant> jml: Oops, true, sorry.
[00:31] <jml> wgrant: np at all.
[00:34] <wgrant> jml: OK, now a real Launchpad question. There is no way to seal off a branch, is there? Say it's merged, and I want to make it unwritable because it's done.
[00:35] <jml> wgrant: Launchpad doesn't provide such a thing, no.
[00:35] <jml> wgrant: you could change the owner to ~wgrant, which would restrict the set of people who could write to it.
[00:36] <wgrant> jml: Of course, but changing its URL doesn't seem ideal.
[00:36] <jml> *nod*
[00:36] <wgrant> Does it ever make sense to write to a Merged/Abandoned branch?
[00:36] <jml> wgrant: yes.
[00:36] <jml> wgrant: in the case of Merged, it makes sense if you need to add something that you forgot to add.
[00:37] <wgrant> Then it's not merged any more.
[00:37] <jml> wgrant: e.g. my fix-bug-235711 branch might have added a typo.
[00:37] <jml> wgrant: exactly.
[00:38] <jml> wgrant: similarly, deciding that work should be resumed on an Abandoned branch is a perfectly cromulent use case
[00:38] <wgrant> So codehosting server should tell you that you are wrong, and cannot write to a Merged branch.
[00:38] <jml> wgrant: I guess you're suggesting that in those cases, someone ought to change the status on Launchpad?
[00:38] <wgrant> Because it is clearly not Merged once you write to it.
[00:38] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:38] <jml> wgrant: I'm not sure I like that.
[00:38] <wgrant> It should reject write requests, and tell you to change it to a status where writing to it makes sense and isn't going to result in changes getting lost.
[00:38] <jml> I'm not sure I dislike it either.
[00:39] <MTecknology> jml: Is it possible to drop a milestone
[00:39] <MTecknology> ?
[00:39] <jml> MTecknology: no idea.
[00:41] <wgrant> jml: What is there to dislike about it, other than the slight inconvenience?
[00:41] <jml> wgrant: the inconvenience is my foremost concern.
[00:42] <wgrant> IMO it's less inconvenient than losing changes because somebody happens to have a checkout of a slightly-too-old branch.
[00:42] <jml> wgrant: and the possible confusion that might arise from making status more than merely descriptive
[00:42] <jml> wgrant: huh?
[00:42] <wgrant> True.
[00:43] <jml> wgrant: so, I rarely checkout remote branches, but I'm pretty sure that bzr doesn't let you commit to one that's out of date.
[00:43] <wgrant> jml: It doesn't. But it's not out of date; it's just merged and hidden from all listings.
[00:44] <MTecknology> spm: anyone around to approve a license?
[00:44] <jml> wgrant: ok, now you've definitely lost me. how does allowing merged branches to be written to lead to data loss for people with checkouts of slightly-too-old branches?
[00:45] <wgrant> jml: s/slightly-too-old/very recently merged/, sorry.
[00:45] <spm> MTecknology: can you shoot an answer in? just in the middle of a fail atm
[00:45] <MTecknology> oh, ok - thanks
[01:12] <MTecknology> spm: Should I file question for dropping ubuntu-drupal instead of the deactivated status?
[01:13] <spm> MTecknology: please. where 'drop' == rename the deactivated one, typically.
[01:14] <MTecknology> ok
[01:14] <MTecknology> spm: I can do that from now on :)
[01:14] <spm> MTecknology: fyi. deleteing entire has issues like (I believe) zotting any karma you've earnt from that project, hence the disable/rename - or so I understand things :-)
[01:14] <MTecknology> oh
[01:15] <MTecknology> the script that calculates karma doesn't go though every single thing every single time, does it?
[01:17] <spm> I think so. I have observed that karma value/scoring has been tweaked in the past to account for 'abuse' and similar.
[01:17] <spm> certainly it eats buckets of memory on our servers when it runs ;-D
[01:18] <MTecknology> I bet
[01:18] <MTecknology> I'd have assumed it would be different, but the way I'm thinking would eat up more storage space, but be faster
[01:21] <exarkun> How do you add multiple attachments to a ticket at a time?
[01:23] <MTecknology> spm: Maybe you know this - How often does the script run that syncs @ubuntu.com aliases for ubuntu members?
[01:26] <spm> MTecknology: I don't know, sorry. You'd be better off asking in #canonical-sysadmin. but not atm. they're all pretty much afk for a few hours.
[01:27] <MTecknology> spm: Could you please rename ubuntu-drupal for me?
[01:28] <spm> MTecknology: done
[01:28] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[01:35] <spm> np
[01:49] <wgrant> Should the codehosting SFTP server be giving me errors with its internal filesystem paths?
[01:49] <mwhudson> no
[01:49] <mwhudson> but it's a known bug
[01:50] <mwhudson> which is private for some stupid reason
[01:51] <wgrant> LP likes having private bugs for even the slightest implementation detail, at times.
[01:53] <mwhudson> we're not exactly consistent
[01:53] <jml> wgrant: *I* like having private bugs for implementation details.
[01:53] <mwhudson> wgrant: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/270076
[01:53] <jml> wgrant: it's much easier to make a private thing public than it is to make a public thing private.
[01:55] <wgrant> jml: But it's also much more useless to have a private bug.
[01:55] <wgrant> Although I guess this stuff is staying private (grr), so there is more reason than for other components.
[02:22] <MTecknology> hrmI got 13 :)
[02:24] <MTecknology> Can I take one blueprint and move it to a different project?
[02:25] <MTecknology> 20*
[02:26] <MTecknology> sorry, I'm tired and getting the wrong window for those two odd ones
[17:06] <AlexC_> hi there,
[17:07] <AlexC_> I've been searching for ages (well over a week now) and I just can not find out how to let another person, or team, access to upload new translations - is it at all possible with Launchpad?
[17:07] <AlexC_> current it is a pain, since only I can manage the translations files
[17:13] <danilos> AlexC_: you should be able to change the PO template owner (and make it a team or another person) using "Change details" link
[17:16] <AlexC_> danilos: thank you very much =)
[17:17] <danilos> AlexC_: you are welcome, I am sorry that this is so confusing
[17:18] <AlexC_> danilos: I would have thought you'd set it for translations as a whole - much like you have a bug/security contact
[17:19] <danilos> AlexC_: yeah, that would make a lot of sense, we should probably do it :)
[17:19] <AlexC_> if you do, I give cookies to all
[17:21] <danilos> AlexC_: btw, everybody should be able to upload translations, this is just for POT files
[17:21] <AlexC_> danilos: indeed, that is what I am referring to
[17:21] <danilos> AlexC_: well, unless you are using non-Open translation and a translation group, when people will have to be part of the translation group first
[18:00] <yann2> hi
[18:00] <yann2> launchpad maintenance?
[18:00] <mars> hi yann2
[18:00]  * mars checks
[18:01] <yann2> I get the "please be patient" on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~digisite-dev/digisite/head/files/4 and other pages
[18:01] <yann2> worked a second ago :)
[18:01] <yann2> ah - and works again :s
[18:01] <yann2> mistery then sorry for bothering :)
[18:01] <mars> yann2, heh, no problem :)
[18:02] <mars> thanks for letting us know though
[18:03] <yann2> maybe it was just slow for a second and the load balancer got impatient, who knows
[18:04] <yann2> anyway - gotta go. Have a nice evening :)
[18:04] <mars> you to
[18:37] <thekorn> hi, is it possible to subscribe myself to a page on help.launchpad.net?
[18:37] <beuno> thekorn, yes, just slap on the end of the URL:  ?action=subscribe
[18:38] <beuno> of course, it is a bug we (I) need to fix in the theme
[18:38] <mars> thekorn, or check the "More Actions" dropdown in the upper right
[18:38] <beuno> it has been reported and is on my conscious
[18:38] <thekorn> wow, ok this url hack worked
[18:39] <beuno> I know, I use it frequently  ;)
[18:42] <mars> beuno, do you not have a "Subscribe User" option in the "More Actions" dropdown?
[18:42] <beuno> mars, ah, I do!
[18:42] <beuno> I guess I'm not used to being "the user"  :)
[18:59] <thekorn> but this "subscribe user" in the more actions dropdown is a restricted option,
[18:59] <thekorn> I'm not allowed to perform this action
[19:00] <mars> thekorn, and I assume you are logged in?
[19:00] <thekorn> mars, yes, I'm logged in
[19:01] <mars> strange.  beuno ^ looks like the dropdown option only works for admins maybe?
[19:01] <beuno> mars, could be. Moin is weird
[19:01] <thekorn> FWIW, It is also not working on wiki.ubuntu.com for me
[19:25] <MTecknology> Why do I have two branches listed twice here? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-themes
[19:29] <mars> MTecknology, not sure, I'll see if one of the codehosting guys is around
[19:32] <MTecknology> thanks
[19:33] <MTecknology> mars: is there anyone around that could drop the rename launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal-themes to launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal-theme? just dropping the s on the project
[19:35] <mwhudson> MTecknology: i guess the answer to that is "a bug" :)
[19:35] <MTecknology> mwhudson: oh, should I report it?
[19:36] <mwhudson> MTecknology: yes please
[19:39] <MTecknology> mwhudson: short and sweet :) 333988
[19:40] <mars> MTecknology, nobody is around at the moment for the project rename - have you posted it in Answers?
[19:42] <MTecknology> mars: yup
[19:43] <MTecknology> mars: I have a list of crap I asked to have done
[19:43] <savvas> everyone does :)
[19:44] <MTecknology> savvas: mine is large, I might make someone upset when they read it
[19:44] <savvas> hehe ok
[19:44] <MTecknology> savvas: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/62115
[19:47] <mars> MTecknology, I've passed that question on to the LOSAs.  It should be in their queue now.
[19:47] <savvas> I see :P
[19:54] <MTecknology> mars: thanks
[19:56] <MTecknology> savvas: is that you?
[19:57] <savvas> MTecknology: where?
[19:57] <MTecknology> idk - nevermind ;)
[19:57] <savvas> ? :P
[19:58]  * MTecknology wanders off
[19:59] <savvas> ok heh
[20:00] <MTecknology> savvas: I was just thinking you were in the LOSAa team
[20:02] <savvas> MTecknology: I'm probably not, I don't know what LOSA is :D
[20:17] <MTecknology> mars: I hope you guys don't mind when I just answer something sitting there that's pretty easy.
[20:18] <mars> MTecknology, I'm glad for the help :)
[21:08] <MTecknology> mars: If I overstep my answers, feel free to slap me :)
[21:08] <MTecknology> On a side note, does anyone have any idea how much hard drive space Launchpad eats up?
[21:09] <MTecknology> between bazaar, databases, source, etc
[21:10] <mars> MTecknology, no idea.  We are running postgres on 128GB of RAM though.
[21:11] <mwhudson> MTecknology: "lots"
[21:11] <mars> :)
[21:11] <mwhudson> probably a few Tb all told
[21:11] <MTecknology> wait - what?
[21:11] <MTecknology> 128GB...
[21:12] <MTecknology> is that possible?
[21:13] <mars> Some of our devs are real Postgres fans - they've talked to the Postgres dev group about what we're doing.
[21:13] <mars> from what I've heard, nobody's tried it before.
[21:13] <MTecknology> or do you mean something like 16 servers running 8GB RAM ??
[21:15] <mwhudson> nope :)
[21:15] <MTecknology> one server running 128GB RAM?
[21:15] <mwhudson> yes
[21:16] <mwhudson> there was a cpython bug report years ago from some dude who had 300 gigs attached to his machine :)
[21:16] <MTecknology> I didn't know that was even possible
[21:16] <mwhudson> i guess you just need enough slots on the mobo, right?
[21:16] <MTecknology> I meant as far as the kernel goes
[21:17] <MTecknology> I assume that's a 64bit OS at minimum then :P
[21:17] <mars> the kernel can address, what now? 4TB or something?
[21:18] <mars> some trivia that, as a normal user, I never expect to encounter for at least 2 years.
[21:18] <MTecknology> 32bit has a max of 4GB, doesn't it?
[21:18] <LarstiQ> MTecknology: "oops, we were only actually using 3 of our 128GB" ;)
[21:18] <MTecknology> heh
[21:18] <MTecknology> you guys blow me away
[21:18] <LarstiQ> MTecknology: yes, but it's even less that's addressable for userspace usually
[21:19] <MTecknology> I suppose you need a lot more when you start running karma scripts and such
[21:20] <MTecknology> so it's mostly just there for expansion then?
[21:21] <MTecknology> I think I'd pee myself if I ever was given access to a sytem like that :P
[21:32] <spm> MTecknology: mwhudson: to be slightly pedantic. we have > 1 DB servers with 128Gb of RAM
[21:33] <MTecknology> spm: eache?
[21:34] <spm> well yes. not much point being replicas if they can't handle the full load :-)
[21:34] <MTecknology> wow
[21:46] <MTecknology> mars: sorry, I forgot you can reassign a question
[21:46] <mars> MTecknology, no problem - not sure if you could do so without admin rights
[21:47] <MTecknology> looks like I can
[21:48] <MTecknology> mars: I suppose it's going to be a little bit before someone gets the ambition to hit mine? :P
[21:50] <mars> MTecknology, alas, I don't know.  It shouldn't be too long.
[21:50] <MTecknology> spm: Do you know the answer, or where I can get the answer? My Ubuntu membership was approved on Thursday(Fri0300). I've been getting really excited for my ubuntu email addy, but I still don't have it. Do you know when that script runs?
[22:21] <spm> MTecknology: I don't know the answer myself. generally ask that sort of Q in #canonical-sysadmin. my quick googlefu suggests 2 days: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail so unless you have funkies that broke stuff, I'd imagine is live?
[22:22] <wgrant> MTecknology: #canonical-sysadmin is useful for that.
[22:29] <MTecknology> spm: could you try to send something to it? maybe I'm just screwing up
[22:33] <MTecknology> spm: nvm - looks like it's finally working :D
[22:37] <spm> sweet
[22:45] <wgrant> mars: Can I convince Launchpad to drop its HTTP mirror of my branch and try again?
[22:45] <wgrant> The HTTP version seems to have corrupted itself somewhere along the line.
[22:45] <mars> mwhudson, ^ ?
[22:46] <mwhudson> wgrant: changing the format on your end is one way, though it's a bit obscure
[22:46] <wgrant> mwhudson: It's 1.6.1-rich-root at the moment; can I drop it to an earlier rich root version and bring it back?
[22:47] <mars> I'm done for the evening, have to go take care of the kids and supper.
[22:47] <mars> Good night all
[22:47] <wgrant> Night mars.
[22:47] <mwhudson> wgrant: yes
[22:47] <wgrant> mwhudson: Thanks.
[22:47] <mwhudson> wgrant: or go to --1.9-rich-root and back
[22:48] <wgrant> mwhudson: True.
[22:48] <mwhudson> wgrant: or just plain delete the branch and start again, unless it has metadata associated with it
[22:48] <wgrant> mwhudson: It has things stacked on it, unfortunately.
[22:48] <mwhudson> ah
[22:48] <mwhudson> ugh
[22:48] <mwhudson> we need a better answer for this
[22:48] <mwhudson> i'm sure there's a bug report about it...
[22:50] <wgrant> mwhudson: I'll have to explicitly upgrade the remote repo, won't I?
[22:50] <mwhudson> yeah
[22:50] <mwhudson> wgrant: another option is to get a losa to blow the existing branch away, that might actually be easier
[22:50] <wgrant> spm: Is that easier?
[22:51] <spm> wgrant: not for me. But for you yes, ;-)
[22:51] <wgrant> spm: Heh. Will you do it?
[22:51] <spm> wgrant: sure, was just going to ask, which branch etc?
[22:51] <wgrant> spm: That is a good point you have there.
[22:51] <wgrant> lp:~wgrant/ivle/trunk-mirror
[22:53] <wgrant> Do I then have to requestMirror() again to get it to mirror?
[22:53] <mwhudson> someone will have to
[22:54] <mwhudson> if you have a script ready to go, that's probably nice and easy
[22:54] <wgrant> I do.
[22:54] <mwhudson> cool
[22:55] <spm> mwhudson: to confirm. this is zot the codehost/push-branch on crowberry right?
[22:55] <mwhudson> spm: no, it's zot the mirrored one
[22:55] <spm> cool
[22:56] <mwhudson> oh, it's a hosted branch, that's easier (for me) to trigger a mirror on
[22:56] <wgrant> Ah.
[23:07] <spm> mwhudson: zotted, all yours
[23:08] <mwhudson> me waits for the next *
[23:09] <spm> ... to wish upon?
[23:09] <mwhudson> in cron syntax
[23:10] <mwhudson> hm
[23:10] <wgrant> spm: Thanks.
[23:10] <mwhudson> branch still not happy :(
[23:11] <wgrant> mwhudson: Odd, I can check it out over bzr+ssh and check and reconcile are happy...
[23:11] <mwhudson> hm
[23:11] <spm> was mirrors/00/00/88/7b - that is the right one?? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wgrant/ivle/trunk-mirror/.bzr/ergasdf suggests it is. ?
[23:12] <mwhudson> i'd have thought so
[23:12] <wgrant> spm: That number looks right.
[23:12] <mwhudson> spm: can you look in the upload.log ?
[23:12] <spm> sure, one sec
[23:13] <spm> mwhudson: 2009-02-24 23:01:06 INFO    Mirroring branch 34939: lp-hosted:///~wgrant/ivle/trunk-mirror to lp-mirrored:///~wgrant/ivle/trunk-mirror
[23:13] <spm> ~ 12 mins ago?
[23:14] <spm> ie before, I zotted the files
[23:14] <mwhudson> hmmm
[23:14] <mwhudson> has the puller run since then
[23:15] <wgrant> spm: There would have been a push a minute before that, but it shouldn't have had any new revisions.
[23:16] <spm> mwhudson: which puller? the mirror one?
[23:16] <mwhudson> spm: no, upload
[23:16] <spm> Oooo! it just went: 2009-02-24 23:16:06 INFO    Mirroring branch 34939: lp-hosted:///~wgrant/ivle/trunk-mirror to lp-mirrored:///~wgrant/ivle/trunk-mirror
[23:16] <mwhudson> ahh, seems happier now indeed
[23:17] <spm> mwhudson: we need to do something about all these "puller" names ;-)
[23:17] <wgrant> Yay, even LH is happy now.
[23:17] <mwhudson> yeah
[23:17] <wgrant> Thanks spm, mwhudson.
[23:17] <spm> wgrant: lies. LH is never happy unless it's just been restarted. :-P
[23:17] <wgrant> Heh.
[23:17] <wgrant> It crashed on r1100 before.
[23:19]  * wgrant is waiting for the day when we are allowed to move trunk to bzr...
[23:20] <mwhudson> wgrant: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/253127
[23:20] <wgrant> mwhudson: Ah, great.
[23:21] <wgrant> Is cscvs going to be replaced with bzr-svn at some point?
[23:21] <mwhudson> i really hope so
[23:22] <wgrant> 0.5 semems to actually be stable.
[23:22] <mwhudson> that's good data :)
[23:25] <wgrant> It doesn't spontaneously corrupt branches upon merging, which is a good feature.


[12:00] <arkanoid> is there any differce having single large swapfile or multiple smaller swapfiles summed to same total?
[12:06] <Maik> is multiple smaller swapfiles even possible?
[12:10] <tomreyn> it's possible. there should be differences in terms of read/write speeds if those are spread over different disks
[12:11] <tomreyn> And it may make a difference for TRIM / DISCARD.
[12:11] <Maik> i see, thanks tomreyn
[12:12] <tomreyn> :)
[14:45] <Kilroy> how do I fix a no route to host to my router from my ubuntu 20.04 server?
[14:47] <Kilroy> if I ping <IP_ADDRESS> (my router) I get:
[14:47] <Kilroy> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[14:47] <Kilroy> From <IP_ADDRESS> [that is my server] imp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[14:48] <Kilroy> I also don'
[14:48] <Kilroy> *don't see my server on the router side of things
[14:51] <tomreyn> how are the two physically connected? how is the ubuntu server configured in terms of networking and routing?
[14:52] <Kilroy> they are physically connected via powerline networking
[14:53] <Kilroy> and I don't know what info you want for "configured in terms of networking and routing?"
[15:16] <tomreyn> Kilroy: ip addr && ip link && ip route
[19:33] <Kilroy> ok I got it fixed
[19:33] <Kilroy> but thank you tomreyn
[20:25] <tomreyn> Kilroy: what was it, though? if you share, we can learn with you, and maybe provide a better answer to the next one asking this.
[20:30] <Kilroy> it was the power line networking
[20:30] <Kilroy> it got desynced
[20:33] <tomreyn> oh, that's a pity. i never had a powerline conenction myself, but i heard they can be picky.
[22:54] <murmel> tomreyn: they are mostly only picky if it's over a breaker :/


[00:21] <kc2bez> viperperidot[m]: if you have something mounted (like swap) it won't let you automatically erase.
[00:40] <viperperidot[m]> kc2bez: I am actually trying to create a new partition so I have a tr-boot setup
[00:40] <viperperidot[m]> Currently I have a dual boot
[00:41] <viperperidot[m]> I tried to shrink one of the partitions manually but it said there was only 716mb available to shrink
[00:41] <viperperidot[m]> Even though it is a 700gb partition that is not nearly full
[00:42] <viperperidot[m]> I don't have any swap mounted as far as I know
[00:46] <viperperidot[m]> Tri-boot*
[00:47] <viperperidot[m]> Not sure how to continue
[00:48] <guiverc> viperperidot[m], I personally prefer setting up the partitions on the disk before I start the installer (using whatever tool you prefer).  I write down the sizes & details on scrap paper, then start installer, select partitions I wish to use (Manual Partitioning) and then install.
[01:20] <viperperidot[m]> guiverc: Thats what I am trying to do - I tried on Windows and it wasn't working so I am trying on Ubuntu now
[01:20] <viperperidot[m]> Seems to be working just need to wait for it to finish
[01:21] <viperperidot[m]> It worked!
[01:21] <viperperidot[m]> Woo
[01:21] <viperperidot[m]> Ok going to install Lubuntu now
[01:21] <viperperidot[m]> Looking forward to it
[01:22] <viperperidot[m]> Seems to be the right OS for me because I like when things work fast and snappy with no unwanted features
[06:54] <khaladrogo> Thanks
[07:01] <khaladrogo> hey guys
 Hey
 Why I would need `lubuntu-restricted-addons` `lubuntu-restricted-extras` beyond ability to play mp3 files? … Is there some good way to install just mp3 support without installing bunch of other nonfree software?
 Also, is there some way to enable screen scaling globally on screens with high resolution? Windows has relatively nice setting applying globally, where similar scaling setting is in Linux?
 yeah or just `gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3`


[16:34] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-uk, daubers said: ubot4: Ging is SHUT UP
[21:37] <jester-> hi
[23:19] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-uk, popey said: ubot4: get_iplayer is http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer/ a small perl script which can download content from BBC iPlayer and ITV catch up services.
[23:20] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-uk, popey said: ubot4: iplayer is http://bbc.co.uk/iplayer - one brand name for multiple online TV streaming and download services from the BBC.
[23:21] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-uk, popey said: ubot4: iplayer is http://bbc.co.uk/iplayer - one brand name for multiple online TV, Radio and podcast streaming and download services from the BBC.
[23:22] <Myrtti> ubot4: @login
[23:22] <ubot4> use @login
[23:44] <tangerine_> Any admins around?
[23:45] <Myrtti> define admin?
[23:46] <tangerine_> well it says I am banned in #ubuntu but I have no idea why that would be!
[23:46] <tangerine_> I have rarely used IRC but I have a small problem and wanted advice
[23:46] <Myrtti> join #ubuntu-ops
[23:46] <tangerine_> Ok thank you


 You'll have to report a bug. (re @Diogo: Lads I got a bug on 22.04 where the startup screen is still there after logging in)
[08:37] <luna> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_hXobo4vVc&
[11:47] <tmlk> !seen #kubuntu BluesKaj
[11:58] <Dragnslcr> tmlk- he might not be here for another hour or so
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:39] <jopa> How can i connect to wireless router?
[15:52] <webchat42> Can anyone tell me which package in the Qt6 packages provides the 'qmldir' files for say QtQuick?
[15:54] <webchat42> I can't find them in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt6-base nor in https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qt6-declarative-dev for instance
[15:54] <webchat42> RikMills would you know?
[15:58] <RikMills> webchat42: I guess that would be the multiple qml6-module-qtquick-*.something packages
[15:58] <RikMills> https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/kinetic/qt6-declarative
[15:59] <RikMills> e.g. https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/amd64/qml6-module-qtqml/filelist
[15:59] <RikMills> err. I meant https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/amd64/qml6-module-qtquick/filelist
[15:59] <webchat42> and for jammy?
[16:00] <RikMills> jammy should be the same
[16:01] <webchat42> ok, but shouldn't these be part of the dependency chain?
[16:03] <webchat42> anyway, thank you now i know where to look!
[16:04] <RikMills> to be honest, the best place to ask on finer details in #debian-qt-kde on OFTC IRC network
[16:04] <RikMills> that is where 99% of the packaging comes from
[16:05] <webchat42> ok, thanks
 Hi, I have one issue with fresh install of Kubuntu 22.04. Basically few seconds after login into the Plasma, the mouse cursor starts stuttering and then the system will freeze completely (mouse frozen, no CTRL+ALT+ F2, even the SSH server on background freezes). Its X201 laptop with (Intel GPU). It happen even with the live CD. Kubuntu 21.10 was ok, though. Any ideas, please? Is there any log that will survive the reboot I could check? Thanks y
[20:51] <rioting_pacifist> Sounds like a kernel lock up, Not sure how to troubleshoot them, I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key might work, quickest fix would be to downgrade your kernel
[20:54] <arraybolt3> Pixel: How much RAM does your system have? The mouse cursor stuttering sounds like this might be thrashing.
 8GB of RAM and plenty space on the harddrive (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Pixel: How much RAM does your system have? The mouse cursor stuttering sounds like this might be thrashing.)
[20:57] <arraybolt3> Pixel: Crud. No way that's thrashing then.
[20:58] <genii> Might be Baloo
 Thanks for this, I'm playing with Magic SysRq now :) (re @IrcsomeBot: <rioting_pacifist> Sounds like a kernel lock up, Not sure how to troubleshoot them, I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key might work, quickest fix would be to downgrade your kernel)
 balooctl status (on second tty) is saying that Baloo currently is disabled (re @IrcsomeBot: <genii> Might be Baloo)


[01:26] <abhi> hello
[01:26] <abhi> can anyone help me???
[01:27] <darkxst> abhi, !ask
[01:27] <darkxst> !ask
[01:28] <abhi> actuaaly i installed ubuntu 14.04 and then i installed GNOME desktop environment..
[01:29] <abhi> but i there are some problem which i am facing,, 1st. I want to make terminal's backgroung transparent.. but its not working out
[01:30] <abhi> i dont know why, just 5 days before i was having ubuntu 12.04 with GNOME installed in it it was workign perfectly with that
[01:33] <darkxst> abhi, are you using any ppa's?
[01:33] <abhi> no
[01:33] <abhi> i directly ran a command from the terminal
[01:34] <darkxst> transperancy was removed from gnome-terminal, but I though it was still there in 3.6
[01:34] <abhi> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[01:34] <abhi> this was the command
[01:36] <abhi> is it possible to get back the transparency feature???
[01:39] <abhi> guys pls help me out..
[01:43] <abhi> darkxst., ubot5... ?????????????
[01:44] <abhi> or is it possible to revert back to older version of gnome
[01:44] <darkxst> there are some tricks you can use, search askubuntu or smilar
[01:52] <abhi> i tried there.. but there are none
[01:59] <darkxst> abhi, there are threads around,  think they use devilspie
[02:05] <abhi> actually i am not able to understand.. pls give me some way or tricks to activate the transparency feature .. plss
[02:08] <darkxst> http://askubuntu.com/questions/47747/can-i-configure-a-transparent-terminal-over-my-wallpaper
[02:13] <darkxst> Noskcaj, the GIMarshalling test will be fixed when http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome?view=revision&revision=42088 gets released
[05:47] <x-Na> Hello all. I did a new installation of Ubuntu Gnome the other day (been using Ubuntu for years), and now I seem to get authentication reqeust for my Google account every time I login (and sometimes when I access my calendar), but it will not take any password, the correct google account password or a app specific password either, as I am using 2-way authentication
[05:49] <x-Na> But everything seems to work, my calendar gets updated with new events and so on
[10:10] <tobiasschoel> Hello, I've got a problem with evolution connecting to citadel email server.
[10:19] <DASPRiD> yeah, evolution and religion don't go well together ;)
[10:59] <lindol> Heavensbus, hi
[10:59] <lindol> hi all
[11:21] <Heavensbus> lindol: hi
[12:44] <LinDol> what can i use vrsion of gnome in ubuntu-gnome 14.10?
[12:45] <LinDol> may be 3.12?
[14:03] <lindol> Heavensbus, why don you go home?
[21:38] <Multbrelch> join #Cyanogenmod
[22:26] <GothSpark> hi, every one :3 , i got a bug to report, it is not severe but can be annoying
[22:27] <GothSpark> Where is the launchpad page to report it ^


[07:35] <craigzim> Kilos good morning , goeie more
[07:35] <craigzim> sp?
[11:50] <melodie> hello everybody
[11:51] <melodie> hi Kilos elacheche cyrilb superfly inetpro !
[11:51] <melodie> I have an annoucement !!!
[11:51] <melodie> Malinux 2015 rc1 is ready for testing
[11:51] <melodie> you can get it here:
[11:52] <melodie> http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/malinux/
[11:52] <melodie> I removed the former docs because they were way too outdated, and I will look for replacements that can be downloaded separately
[11:53] <melodie> some zim files for Piwik, this one weights only 70Mb and will be installed into the final
[11:53] <melodie> and some pdfs for Libreoffice, in French
[11:53] <melodie> I also can add the pdfs in English
[11:54] <melodie> all will be in a compressed directory, using lzma/.xz format.
[17:48] <theShirbiny> Hi everyone
[17:58] <Kilos> hi theShirbiny
[17:58] <Kilos> and everyone else
[17:59] <melodie> hi Kilos
[17:59] <Kilos> hows melodie
[17:59] <melodie> a 1:50 pm Paris time, I announced:
[17:59] <melodie> (it's long... )
[17:59] <melodie> .....
 hello everybody
 hi Kilos elacheche cyrilb superfly inetpro !
 I have an annoucement !!!
 Malinux 2015 rc1 is ready for testing
 you can get it here:
 http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/malinux/
 I removed the former docs because they were way too outdated, and I will look for replacements that can be downloaded separately
 some zim files for Piwik, this one weights only 70Mb and will be installed into the final
 and some pdfs for Libreoffice, in French
 I also can add the pdfs in English
 all will be in a compressed directory, using lzma/.xz format.
[18:00] <melodie> Kilos you can now share it on the mailing list!
[18:00] <Kilos> ok ty will do
[18:01] <melodie> Kilos : http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/09/02/%23ubuntu-africa.html
[18:01] <melodie> I guess if you point to that part, it should do?
[18:01] <Kilos> i scrolled back melodie
[18:02] <melodie> ok
[18:02] <melodie> I will look forward to some feedback
[18:02] <melodie> would also be most appreciated to hear about what programs teachers in high-school and universities look for
[18:03] <Kilos> melodie give me a one line explanation of what malinux is
[18:03] <theShirbiny> melodie, you're creating a new ubuntu based distro?
[18:03] <melodie> I have done an Edu before, for small kids in pre school but never for college, high school nor university
[18:04] <melodie> theShirbiny it's not a creation, just helping an association to get their new release ready this month
[18:04] <melodie> before the middle of the month preferably
[18:05] <melodie> this is alpha1: http://meets.free.fr/images/Malinux-2015-alpha1.png
[18:05] <melodie> the rc1 which is online have the launchers a bit different, but you see how it goes
[18:05] <melodie> it's a Xubuntu base
[18:07] <theShirbiny> cool
[18:10] <melodie> I had a lot to do to adapt their method, as they used several scripts, while I use Ubuntu Builder. And one of the scripts was started using the init scheme, (old one)
[18:11] <melodie> so I just added the script to /usr/local/bin, modified it, and it starts with a desktop file placed in /etc/xdg/autostart, as other programs do.
[18:11] <melodie> this is a script that regenerates the desktop and places of the icons at each session
[18:12] <melodie> you can have files of your own there, they won't be wiped, but the icons which are already there will be reinstalled anew (incase kids play with them, remove, move around... )
[18:12] <melodie> and there is also a script which prevents them to launch one program from the icons more than once
[18:13] <melodie> when the computers are a bit slow and the kids impatient
[18:22] <Kilos> hi Benno-007 Na3iL
[18:23] <Na3iL> o/ Hello Kilos
[18:23] <Kilos> melodie you wnt me to add where peeps can remark about it
[18:39] <Kilos> night all


[05:31] <mac_v> anyone know if there is a bug regarding segfaults or X crashes with ntfs partitions , when viewing image or video files
[05:31] <mac_v> ?
[05:32] <mac_v> I'm facing crashes , with the karmic packages in ATI...
[09:53] <hyperair> say, what libraries do i need for direct rendering to work with 32-bit programs on x64?
[09:56] <jcristau> libGL.
[09:56] <jcristau> and a dri driver
[11:30] <hyperair> jcristau: alright, i'll go break an x86 deb out for testing then.
[11:33] <tjaalton> hyperair: ia32-libs isn't enough?
[11:33] <hyperair> tjaalton: wine's segfaulting.
[11:33] <hyperair> 18:06:45 <stringfellow> the segfault is caused by http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23335, but you really don't want to use indirect rendering in
[11:33] <hyperair> that.
[11:34] <hyperair> i submitted a patch upstream to wine to do a null pointer check
[11:34] <hyperair> but that doesn't solve the lesser problem that is not having dri
[11:34] <tjaalton> ok
[11:46] <hyperair> trace:wgl:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering enabled: False
[11:46] <hyperair> bah!
[11:46] <hyperair> it still doesn't work.
[11:46]  * hyperair scratches head
[12:06] <hyperair> tjaalton: okay, it's not my fault, and it's not the fault of mismatched libraries either
[12:06] <hyperair> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)
[12:06] <hyperair> libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so
[12:06] <hyperair> libGL error: driver pointer missing
[12:06]  * hyperair groan
[12:06] <hyperair> ia32-libs is broken.
[12:22] <mtc> in karmic, I see xserver-xorg-video-radeon an ubuntu core-developers maintained package, and used by default, whereas xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd is community maintained
[12:24] <mtc> my understanding is that the radeonhd driver will be a better the better driver for the modern AMD-ATI graphic cards (R500 / R600)
[12:29] <mtc> any insights why radeonhd was not chosen to be used by default?  seems a shame not to use a driver with the advanced features, especially as new users are immediately prompted to use the binary-only fglrx at their first login.
[12:33] <tjaalton> mtc: -radeon supports more cnips
[12:33] <tjaalton> chips
[12:34] <tjaalton> older ones too
[12:34] <mtc> sure that is true, but there are many other xorg drivers that support only a few cards
[12:34] <tjaalton> and it's maintained by ati, and -radeonhd is mainly a suse project
[12:37] <mtc> shoot, when was the last time you saw a 3dfx Voodoo graphics card, and that is a ubuntu developer maintained xorg driver package
[12:38] <tjaalton> why is that relevant?
[12:38] <mtc> you had said the -radeonhd was more card specific than the -radeon driver
[12:39] <tjaalton> and?
[12:39] <tjaalton> r3xx isn't uncommon
[12:39] <mvo> mtc: there is a wiki page at xorg  http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature that shows the support for the chips side-by-side
[12:40] <mvo> (RHD is the column for the radeonhd)
[12:40] <mtc> am pointing out that there are other drivers that are specific, which are still ubuntu developer maintained, and the voodoo are less common than the radeon R500 and R600 chipsets
[12:40] <mvo> that indicates that -ati covers the same HW as -radeonhd, sometimes even more complete
[12:41] <tjaalton> mtc: I already explained why -ati/radeon is the chosen one
[12:41] <mtc> mvo - interesting - I had not looked at that feature chart in a while, indeed the -radeon driver appears more complete
[12:42] <mvo> mtc: -ati did a big leap forward whenthe atombios docs got released IIRC
[12:42] <tjaalton> there are too many drivers anyway, no point in following one that's more or less created for political reason
[12:42] <tjaalton> +s
[12:42]  * mvo should point out that he is not a expert in this area though
[12:43] <mtc> my understanding is the -radeon driver would not have the R500 / R600 chipset features, but that feature chart seems to indicate otherwise
[12:43] <tjaalton> but it's there for people to use if they like
[12:43] <tjaalton> like I said
[12:43] <tjaalton> it supports all the chips that are released
[12:43] <tjaalton> at least in git
[13:16] <mtc> well, nice to see the radeon drivers better supported in karmic... thanks for your thoughts on the subject of radeonhd
[13:17] <mtc> looks like there is an issue with DRI however - the Xorg log shows an error due to /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so file being missing
[13:19] <tjaalton> the newer ones don't have accelerated 3d-support yet
[13:19] <tjaalton> meaning r6xx ->
[13:35] <mtc> tjaalton: where do those dri libraries come from?  who can I expect to see a release of r600_dri.so ?
[13:37] <mtc> tjaalton: nevermind, found more information at freedesktop.org
[13:37] <tseliot> I disabled the r600 3d driver because it wasn't mature enough and it required a kernel patch which didn't make it on time. It should be ok in Lucid
[13:39] <mtc> thanks for your insights
[21:54] <jbarnes> wow karmic shuts down fast
[21:54] <jbarnes> so nice
[22:05] <bryce__> jbarnes, :-)
[22:52] <tormod> yeah I am not at all impressed by boot speed (I have a "normal" HD") but the shutdown kicks ass
[22:52] <tormod> almost like MacOS9 :)
[22:55] <tormod> albert23, your -intel crash fix (good job!) is now in jaunty xorg-edgers
[22:56] <albert23> tormod: I thought jaunty didn't have the crash?
[22:57] <tormod> albert23, I think I saw some jaunty reports, I was hoping it was this :)
[22:58] <albert23> tormod: it was straight 2.9.0 in jaunty before?
[22:59] <tormod> albert23, no it was the karmic one backported, so straight + one patch
[22:59] <tormod> albert23, I got some reports in private email on -intel crashing since a recent mesa update
[23:00] <albert23> Yeah, the mesa crash I have seen
[23:01] <albert23> tormod: I thought the crash was introduced in "uxa: Refactor create Picture for pixman format"
[23:01] <tormod> and there was someone on phoronix with a crash also
[23:01] <tormod> I told them to file bugs, I didn't look into it
[23:13]  * albert23 still thinks that crash was not in 2.9.0 Karmic is safe :-)


[16:05] <scott-work> persia: do you have time for a short pm?
[21:42] <scott-work> i don't believe we are currently shipping module-jack-sink
[21:42] <scott-work> does anyone have an opinion if we should?


[13:16] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:16] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[13:28] <_stink_> yo
[13:28] <_stink_> sunny
[13:29] <cmaloney> Heh, haven't opened the shades yet.
[13:31] <cmaloney> Listening to Sting: The Dream of the Blue Turtles
[13:31] <cmaloney> I think "Russians" is a song I should have heard a long time ago
[13:31] <cmaloney> doesn't age well.
[14:05] <brousch> GR Mini makerfaire today. Come on out


[16:25] <Rafik> Hello,
[16:25] <Rafik> So you guys look at blogs too to find infos :)
[16:26] <Rafik> Unfortunately I blogged about the latest events in Tunisia (last Wednesday) a few hours after the UWN #119 release :/
[16:27] <boredandblogging> Rafik: we definitely do
[16:27] <boredandblogging> we'll include it in the next UWN
[16:27] <Rafik> Very good. Thank you :)
[16:29] <Rinchen> hi there boredandblogging
[16:29] <boredandblogging> hey
[16:29] <Rinchen> sorry was in hiding
[16:29] <boredandblogging> no biggie
[16:29] <Rinchen> james_w, great email you sent about your work!
[16:30] <james_w> thanks Rinchen, saw you added yourself to vcs-pkg
[16:30] <boredandblogging> one issue seems to be about roles...
[16:31] <boredandblogging> if an admin role edits something that an editor wrote, the editor can no longer edit it
[16:36] <tyche> boredandblogging: Fridge?
[16:36] <boredandblogging> tyche: yeah
[16:37] <tyche> I see good and bad in that situation.  It comes off as an imprimatur.
[16:37] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, hmm. Do you mean the drupal admin which is newz2000  or a member of the fridge team?
[16:37] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: fridge team
[16:37] <Rinchen> everyone on the fridge team should have the same access level
[16:37] <boredandblogging> like me for instance
[16:39] <boredandblogging> right now fridge team members can only submit stories, but they can't be published to front page
[16:40] <Rinchen> really?
[16:40] <Rinchen> who pubs to the front page then?
[16:40] <boredandblogging> believe newz2000 bumped the rights for me and john so we could actually publish to the front page
[16:41] <boredandblogging> yeah, fridge team members don't get the option of full html either
[16:41] <Rinchen> hmm
[16:41] <Rinchen> let me see if Stu is available
[16:41] <Rinchen> I found some more log errors
[16:42] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: thanks
[16:43] <Rinchen> you know
[16:43] <Rinchen> we should ask someone to make a custom drupal theme for the fridge
[16:43] <Rinchen> I'm am so sick and tired of looking at these theme errors
[16:43] <boredandblogging> *cough* newz2000 *cough*
[16:43] <tyche> *cough* Calendar *cough*
[16:43] <Rinchen> he doesn't have the time :-(
[16:44] <boredandblogging> darn
[16:44] <Rinchen> most of those theme errors are things we can remove in the theme (calls to print.css for example)
[16:44] <Rinchen> Stu said he'd be available in 30 minutes
[16:44] <Rinchen> can we continue this then?
[16:44] <boredandblogging> definitely, just ping me
[16:48] <Rinchen> oh
[16:48] <Rinchen> I just found the setting to make everyone admins
[16:49] <Rinchen> I'll ask stu when he joins
[16:49] <boredandblogging> ok
[16:59] <stuartm> Rinchen: ping
[16:59] <Rinchen> Hi Stu.. I'm on the phone now.  Can you wait 30?
[16:59] <Rinchen> pretty please
[17:00] <Rinchen> with sugar on top
[17:00] <stuartm> I have a call in 30mins but after that won't be a problem :)
[17:00] <stuartm> 1hr?
[17:02] <Rinchen> stuartm, I think it's ok.  boredandblogging and crew should be here hopefully then
[17:02] <boredandblogging> its fine with me
[17:18] <PriceChild> what's the email to put stuff on the fridge? i would like to get an emea meeting on 5th 20:00utc
[17:19] <boredandblogging> PriceChild: subscribe to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-news-team and email to it
[17:20] <PriceChild> Thanks boredandblogging
[17:20] <boredandblogging> np
[17:20] <PriceChild> i spammed ubuntu-news last time :/
[17:20] <boredandblogging> hah, it happens
[18:11] <stuartm> Rinchen: ready?
[18:12] <Rinchen> stuartm, still on the phone. :-(  Be done soon
[18:12] <stuartm> :)
[18:13] <stuartm> would tomorrow be ok?
[18:22] <Rinchen> Hi stuartm
[18:22] <Rinchen> ok, I'm done.
[18:22] <Rinchen> That call took a lot longer than I thought
[18:22] <Rinchen> stuartm, I sent you some of the errors via email
[18:22] <stuartm> Rinchen: got those
[18:23] <stuartm> what revision are you running on fridge?
[18:23] <Rinchen> stuartm, the other question I had is if there is any reason you know of why the default role on Fridge is set to editor for the fridge editor team vs super editor or administrator?
[18:23] <Rinchen> stuartm, uh...dunno, whatever newz put out there
[18:23] <stuartm> :D
[18:24] <stuartm> don't quite understand the second question... is it a ui thing?
[18:26] <stuartm> or is it a config thing?
[18:26] <Rinchen> stuartm, it's the default openid configuration setting
[18:26] <Rinchen> OpenID Teams  UI
[18:27] <Rinchen> stuartm, also when I add https://login.launchpad.net/+openid as a trusted provider it doesn't appear on the UI although I get an accept msg
[18:27] <stuartm> ok - stephane mentioned that last one
[18:27] <Rinchen> stuartm, and it doesn't appear in the trust drop down either :-(
[18:28] <stuartm> still investigating although it's not an issue for lp-specific deployments
[18:28] <Rinchen> and the openid settings can be changed by editor class, not admins :-)
[18:28] <stuartm> ok - that's probably a roles issue
[18:28] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, I've changed the default role for the fridge team to super editors
[18:28] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, give that a try please
[18:29] <boredandblogging> let me log out and log back in
[18:29] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, if newz did anything special to your account, it may not work
[18:29] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, I can't see the normal user settings because I'm using the same default access as the rest of the editors
[18:30] <boredandblogging> actually, I don't see a difference, but yeah, I think he may have given us some rights
[18:30] <stuartm> Rinchen: You don't need to specify a trusted source for teams in the fridge as long as the OpenID Launchpad module is installed and the default configuration is maintained
[18:30] <Rinchen> stuartm, ok
[18:30] <stuartm> it'll only be an issue for sites adopting the teams protocol in a more normal openid environment
[18:30] <stuartm> but I will investigate
[18:31] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: ping
[18:31] <boredandblogging> tyche: ping
[18:31] <boredandblogging> i'm pretty sure newz messed with my rights
[18:32] <stuartm> the editor/super editor/etc issue.  is that possibly something newz has configured?
[18:32] <boredandblogging> there are 2 issues
[18:32] <boredandblogging> in the default behavior...
[18:32] <boredandblogging> fridge editors don't have rights to post to the front page
[18:33] <boredandblogging> they can create a post, but not put onthe front page
[18:33] <tyche> boredandblogging: pong
[18:33] <boredandblogging> (and no full-html abilities)
[18:33] <boredandblogging> which I guess is fine
[18:34] <boredandblogging> the main problem is...
[18:34] <boredandblogging> that if the editor creates a story
[18:34] <boredandblogging> and an admin edits it, the editor can no longer edit it
[18:34] <boredandblogging> so if everyone becomes an admin, I guess that solves that
[18:35] <Rinchen> stuartm, yes
[18:37] <stuartm> boredandblogging: both issues may be roles/perms related
[18:37] <boredandblogging> right
[18:38] <stuartm> Rinchen: at least 1 issue from your email should have been resolved in latest rev.  I'll check in with newz tomorrow about what version he's running unless you fancy chasing it up today
[18:38] <Rinchen> thanks stuartm
[18:39] <stuartm> the 3rd issue, with the sessions table, is new.  will investigate
[18:45] <Rinchen> ok, I need to run. Panic attack... my document is failing to open and also the backup
[18:45] <Rinchen> I need to get back to work!
[19:29] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: pong


[11:58] <Keybuk> well, today's kernel is not full of grace
[12:13] <tepsipakki> Keybuk: I have a udev-related (?) problem with multiple dvb-tuner cards changing the order on reboots. Is there something that could be done with udev rules, or should it be handled elsewhere?
[12:14] <Keybuk> tepsipakki: the order should not matter
[12:14] <Keybuk> it is normal for multiple anything to change order between reboots
[12:15] <Keybuk> from hard drives, to network cards, to sound cards, etc.
[12:15] <tepsipakki> well, basically yes
[12:15] <Keybuk> use software that doesn't rely on the kernel names, but instead uses HAL to identify cards by unique information
[12:16] <tepsipakki> both mythtv and vdr are affected :)
[12:16] <Keybuk> I'm sure they will welcome patches
[12:16] <tepsipakki> well, vdr works, but plugins don't necessarily (mplayer comes in mind, which tries to use the tv-out on the full-feature card)
[12:17] <tepsipakki> does HAL have some cmdline tools that could be used in wrappers?
[12:21] <tepsipakki> anyway, the official answer is: "work around it"?-)
[02:41] <zul> morning
[03:54] <zul> ups store...oh wait you arent in kanata :)
[04:33] <kylem> there, that's one big thing off ye olde todo list.
[04:33] <zul> hey kyle
[04:34] <kylem> yo.
[04:34] <zul> how is it going?
[04:35] <kylem> not too bad, trying to finally beat the last of this damned flu and cold.
[05:45] <btse> Anybody working for Canonical here?
[05:48] <pmjdebruijn> btse, why?
[05:51] <Keybuk> MODALIAS=i82365
[05:51] <Keybuk> BenC: ^ HOLY CHRISTING FUCK!
[05:52] <Keybuk> so I guess the question becomes
[05:52] <Keybuk> "what comes first, the platform device or the module/driver that manges it?"
[06:08] <BenC> Keybuk: chicken-and-egg?
[06:09] <Keybuk> BenC: well, normally a device exists because it's in the system
[06:09] <Keybuk> so the kernel creates it under the bus that manages the device
[06:09] <Keybuk> and a module gets loaded, so that interfaces, etc. exist
[06:09] <Keybuk> for platform, this is trickier
[06:09] <Keybuk> I would still guess that the platform bus should create devices for any hardware
[06:10] <BenC> platform devices seem like black magic from my understanding
[06:10] <Keybuk> so it doesn't make sense for the device to get removed
[06:10] <BenC> I'm not even sure how the driver gets loaded the first time
[06:10] <BenC> isapnpmap doesn't even show it, but the driver has a MODULE_DEV_TABLE:pnp
[06:11] <Keybuk> dunno
[06:11] <Keybuk> I can't boot .20, so can't see
[06:11] <Keybuk> it's definitely utterly bogus that MODALIAS contains a module name!
[06:11] <Keybuk> it should contain a description of the device
[06:11] <Keybuk> e.g. platform:i82365
[06:11] <Keybuk> and the module should export that as an alias
[06:12] <Keybuk> but that still doesn't explain why these platform devices are being removed, and then coming back
[06:15] <BenC> basically the driver does platform_device_alloc(); platform_device_add(), isa_probe() = -ENODEV; platform_device_remove(); module exit with ENODEV
[06:24] <btse> pmjdebruijn: just wondering, what are the exact terms?
[06:24] <pmjdebruijn> btse, exact terms of what?
[06:25] <btse> pmjdebruijn: the employment. are you employed by Canonical?
[06:25] <pmjdebruijn> btse, no...
[06:25] <pmjdebruijn> btse, anyway you should probably contact an official Canonical representative, not just someone on irc
[06:26] <BenC> btse: What did you need to know?
[06:26] <btse> pmjdebruijn: ah, ok, yes I know,
[06:26] <btse> well, is it full-time?
[06:26] <BenC> for most ppl, yes
[06:27] <btse> so I suppose you're getting payed also?
[06:27] <BenC> working for someone usually implies they pay you :)
[06:27] <zul> heh hey BenC
[06:27] <BenC> hey zul
[06:28] <zul> how is it going?
[06:28] <BenC> slow this morning
[06:28] <btse> BenC:  usually... :-)  looking at their employment page doesn't say much about the conditions though
[06:28] <btse> and they respons slowly
[06:29] <BenC> what position are you interested in?
[06:29] <zul> btse: i hear its a sweat shop ;)
[06:29] <btse> zul: yeah, me too
[06:29] <BenC> zul: I don't sweat, I prespire
[06:29] <kylem> pfft, it's a sweet shop. all the candy i can possible want.
[06:29] <zul> heh
[06:29] <btse> BenC: well, I was just lookign around
[06:29] <zul> mmm...candy..
[06:29] <pmjdebruijn> zul, that's usually somewhere, where they have illegal immegrants working for next to no cash :p
[06:31] <btse> it could be fun to explore your hobby, getting payed for it, work for an international employer without having to relocate
[06:31] <btse> but I suppose this is the wrong forum
[06:31] <BenC> btse: there's lots of travel, and (not complaining, but) full-time usually == more than 40 hours for most of us
[06:32] <Keybuk> BenC: well, that's the bogus bit I think
[06:32] <Keybuk> it shouldn't be adding devices until it knows they exist
[06:32] <btse> travel is fun, flying is great
[06:32] <zul> flying sometimes sucks
[06:32] <btse> waiting yes, flying no
[06:32] <BenC> Keybuk: I'm not sure why there the platform_device_add occurs before the probe...but that also happened in edgy
[06:32] <kylem> flying is great once you get the hang of what not to do.
[06:32] <kylem> like, don't stop flapping your arms.
[06:33] <kylem> even if you get tired.
[06:33] <BenC> lol
[06:33] <btse> hehe, yeah
[06:33] <btse> so BenC what's your position?
[06:33] <BenC> kernel dev
[06:34] <btse> how did you come by it?
[06:34] <BenC> friend
[06:35] <btse> ah, and exactly what do you do? write drivers or mainly apply vanilla patches to the ubuntu kernel?
[06:37] <BenC> bugs, patches, feature development
[06:37] <BenC> are you interested in the kernel dev position?
[06:37] <zul> or major deity
[06:37] <btse> perhaps..
[06:38] <btse> sorry for interrogating you by the way :-)
[07:49] <zul> hah smoke on that xen-image-2.6.19-1.1-generic_2.6.19-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:16] <_MMA_> BenC: Could you take a look at the spec real quick. Im still trying to more help. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaProductionKernel


[12:31] <vlt> Md: OT: Should your quit message be right-to-left and does only my client (irssi) display it wrong?
[12:33] <Md> vlt: yes
[12:34] <ion_> Probably more like irssi not supporting RTL and the terminal not supporting combining characters.


[04:15] <jdong> lesson #921 of UbuntuForums bad word filter design: You can't spell specialist without cialis.
[04:15] <RAOF> HAH
[04:15] <jdong> I think that's a life lesson too ;-)
[07:39] <\sh> moins
[08:22] <siretart> hi \sh!
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
[08:41] <joaopinto> hi
[10:51] <bencrisford> what is the different between a .desktop file and a .desktop.in file?
[11:05] <directhex> foo.in is used to generate foo
[11:26] <lazka> Hey, my packa is failing in the PPA but building fine here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42767981/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.quodlibet_2.2.99-0~rev4421~d961b9b1b60b~ppa1~karmic_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:26] <lazka> package
[11:27] <lazka> The file that it says is missing is a symlink
[11:27] <bencrisford> directhex: do package.desktop.in generates the .desktop file?
[11:29] <directhex> bencrisford, precisely
[11:29] <noodles775> lazka: is it building fine using pbuilder there?
[11:30] <lazka> here, on lucid, yes
[11:31] <noodles775> lazka: using pbuilder (I'm just asking because the file might exist locally for you, using pbuilder will ensure it's an isolated environment like that used by the PPA builders).
[11:32] <lazka> oh, is that different to dpkg-buildpackage?
[11:34] <lazka> noodles775, you're right.. :) thanks..
[11:34] <lazka> damn
[11:34] <noodles775> lazka: np.
[15:36] <cnd> I decided to check out why the diagnostics package wasn't building, and I found it was because the version of libace-dev in ubuntu has a bug that's been fixed in debian
[15:36] <cnd> james_w said to file a sync request, but I'm wondering if that's worthwhile since the sync freeze is in place
[15:39] <james_w> cnd: we are frozen for auto-syncs for a few months, but specifically requested ones are still processed. We are also frozen for beta, but that only includes packages in the CDs, so it libace-dev isn't on a CD we can sync it, or it can wait for a week when it will be synced.
[15:39] <cnd> james_w: is there an easy way to determine if the package is on the cd?
[15:41] <james_w> not exactly
[15:41] <james_w> if it's in main then it's quite likely
[15:41] <james_w> the freeze is actually for main at this point anyway
[15:43] <james_w> cnd: you can go ahead and make the request
[15:43] <cnd> james_w: ok, thanks
[19:30] <savvas0> Hi, I submitted a patch for bug #553237 - I haven't done patch submission for a while, which launchpad team should I subscribe to the bug to sponsor the patch? :)
[19:31] <ScottK> savvas0: ubuntu-sponsors
[19:32] <savvas0> thank you!
[21:04] <IntuitiveNipple> When creating a new package, should pkgconfig .pc files be in the -dev or libXXXX package?
[21:06] <directhex> IntuitiveNipple, -dev
[21:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks! got it right already then, but was second-guessing myself :)
[23:08] <micahg> \sh: was dojo ever shipped with ZF in Ubuntu?
[23:16] <Riddell> dylan mccall about?
[23:17] <ari-tczew> jdong: ping
[23:39] <ari-tczew> jdong, if you see that please check what about SRU upload for bugs<PHONE_NUMBER>84
[23:42] <jdong> ari-tczew: should have a test case and regression potential as well
[23:42] <jdong> (at minimum a test case)
[23:42] <jdong> see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-crossfade/+bug/208666 as an example
[23:43] <jdong> but in both case, the patches I've already ACKed for upload
[23:43] <jdong> just need for a sponsor to upload those for you
[23:44] <ari-tczew> jdong: I can't test it because I don't use 64bit
[23:44] <jdong> ari-tczew: no, you don't need to test it, you need to write instructions how to test it
[23:44] <ari-tczew> but bug 421684 I have tested and it works!
[23:44] <jdong> what should testers be looking for?
[23:45] <ari-tczew> testers should be looking for to whether problem has been fixed
[23:45] <jdong> how do they do that?
[23:45] <jdong> step 1, step 2, step 3, etc


[00:14] <geoffrian> hello chaps
[02:38] <Unit193> I just wanted to pint this bug #784020 to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03803.html (If you read her comment, you will see what I'm talking about)
[02:40] <charlie-tca> It already installs in 3GB without modifying anything.
[02:41] <charlie-tca> I have to try for 2GB yet, but that won't fix the installer, will it?
[02:42] <charlie-tca> The bug is because the installer insists that the install won't work in anything less then 4.4gb, which is wrong for anything except Ubuntu
[02:42] <Unit193> charlie-tca: jmarsden built the iso with that mod
[02:43] <Unit193> (If you want to read the whole thread)
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I see that. But I used the natty final to install in less then 4gb
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I just ignored the warning that said I needed 4.4GB
[02:44] <charlie-tca> But I will investigate further with a 4gb drive. That will be a better test
[02:45] <Unit193> https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03786.html Says you can't ignore that... (I haven't tested that myself)
[02:46] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'm not trying to put more work on you, I'm just linking both issues
[02:48] <Unit193> Not an easy way to do so anyway...
[02:52] <charlie-tca> I am happy to have the reference. We might need it yet
[02:53] <charlie-tca> Since I had a 40GB drive to work with, it might matter
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Both distros need to be able to use less than 4GB, so we will have to try and find a way.
[03:19] <pleia2> Unit193: thanks for the update :)
[03:19] <pleia2> charlie-tca: can you create a separate bug for this? (it's a bit off-topic for the xubuntu-website bug)
[03:20] <Unit193> If I can help, I would like to (Not a programmer). I may give the ISO testing a shot...
[03:21] <pleia2> I don't think it's something that can be fixed for natty, but hopefully it can be looked into for the next release
[03:21] <charlie-tca> pleia2: yup, can do
[03:22] <pleia2> looks like Unit193 updated 18:38:06 < Unit193> I just wanted to pint this bug #784020 to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03803.html (If you read her comment, you will see what I'm
[03:22] <pleia2> oops
[03:22] <pleia2> looks like looks like Unit193 updated #784020 for us with some details :)
[03:23] <charlie-tca> no problem. I can fix that too when I file the new bug
[03:23]  * charlie-tca can't really see good enough tonight, will fix it tomorrow though
[03:24]  * Unit193 Wasn't sure if that would count as a bug update...
[03:24] <pleia2> no rush, thanks!
[03:24] <pleia2> airplane wifi really is too slow for ssh, detatching
[03:24] <charlie-tca> Unit193: it is fine. I will transfer the information to the new bug
[03:24] <charlie-tca> heh
[03:24] <charlie-tca> Enjoy the flight
[03:24] <pleia2> thanks :)
[03:25] <Unit193> screen over country dial-up is a real killer...
[03:43] <charlie-tca> Unit193: don't let me forget the bug now
[03:43] <charlie-tca> Gotta go for tonight.
[07:03] <Unit193> Linked to the bug at the same time in #lubuntu-offtopic (Doubles as -devel) and It's been updated: Bug #784020
[10:07] <mr_pouit> micahg: no, you don't step on my toes, feel free to request syncs (probably all panel plugins can be synced) :)
[10:07] <mr_pouit> thanks
[10:09] <mr_pouit> micahg: also, if you find some ubuntu delta, maybe I forgot to include it in debian, so feel free to ping me about that as well.
[14:49] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:56] <drc> Morning...where's the coffee?
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I got mine
[14:56]  * charlie-tca puts a new pot of coffee on
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Sorry, drained the pot
[14:59] <drc> That's all right...I'm really a tea drinker, but as long as it has caffine....
[14:59] <charlie-tca> heh, no tea here
[14:59] <charlie-tca> but I got a cookie for you
[15:00]  * charlie-tca passes cookies around
[15:06] <drc> Sorry, I had to change a config to accept cookies...ummmm
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Maybe Soupermanito wants one too
[15:08] <Soupermanito> XD
[15:08] <charlie-tca> We passed a plate of cookies around, help yourself. They go good with the morning coffee
[15:08] <Soupermanito> hey charlie-tca :D good morning, yesterday i had General Information Sources class XD
[15:08] <Soupermanito> so i had to go
[15:08] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:09] <drc> Soupermanito: Which University?
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I don't know if we can hold a meeting more than once a month on tuesday, maybe we can do it on Friday, though.
[15:09] <Soupermanito> University of Buenos Aires, Argentina
[15:09] <charlie-tca> minutes are out, by the way
[15:09] <Soupermanito> will check
[15:10] <Soupermanito> question, if i test a milestone, will you want a x86 or an x86_64 to be tested?
[15:10] <drc> So that means that Soupermanito is officially on the hook for testing?
[15:10] <Soupermanito> :) i will try to do it yes, i hope my internets are whit me in this
[15:10]  * drc notes that he waited until *after* the meeting to volunteer.
[15:11]  * Soupermanito notes that he actually asked during the meet.
[15:13] <drc> charlie-tca: on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Testers it asks you to add your info, but I have no idea how to add it, can't find the <add> button:)
[15:13] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: whichever one you are able to test. Not everyone can test both arches
[15:14] <charlie-tca> It is an edit of the wiki. Email it to me and I will add it. charlie AT ubuntu DOT com
[15:14] <Soupermanito> another thing i was thinking while walking yesterday is that when i installed 11.04 the other day and played an mp3, parole said me "no codecs" or something like that, and i was hoping it to be like the old releases that would instantly send me to download the proper codecs, but nothing hapened, i had to download them manually, which is rather obnoxious, even more if you are new to *buntu
[15:15] <charlie-tca> I did not anything except VLC would automatically download the codecs
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: my internet is a bit slow. It takes me about 6 hours to zsync the images now
[15:18] <charlie-tca> and the dvd's I sync take between 4 and 6 hours additional
[15:18] <Soupermanito> well my internets are also slow, it takes me about 2 hours to download 700mb, if lucky
[15:19]  * charlie-tca tests Ubuntu alternate and desktop, Xubuntu alternate and desktop, ubuntustudio alternate dvd's, kubuntu desktop and alternate - both 32bit and 64bit
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Download the images over the weekend before release. Even if they are natty, they can be zsynced quickly
[15:20] <charlie-tca> !zsync
[15:20] <Soupermanito> that did nothing
[15:20] <Soupermanito> XD
[15:20] <charlie-tca> !info zsync
[15:21] <charlie-tca> That is a bit faster than rsync now
[15:21] <Soupermanito> ok installing
[15:22] <charlie-tca> This explains zsync - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[15:23] <Soupermanito> :D hey charlie-tca you are the xubuntu project leader? :D xubuntu is awesome
[15:24] <charlie-tca> yes, I am
[15:25] <drc> charlie-tca: Approximately how long does the short&long testing take (just for scheduling, mind you)?
[15:25] <drc> charlie-tca: email is sent
[15:26] <charlie-tca> short is about 10 minutes, long can be anywhere between 10 minutes and 1 hour, depending on how many applications you run
[15:26] <charlie-tca> I normally test one application each time I run the live desktop and one each install I do
[15:27] <charlie-tca> That way, I spend just a few minutes to test them, since the install will take up to an hour to complete
[15:28] <charlie-tca> If I seem short of time, I will run through a menu at a time, so one install will include all the applications in Accessories
[15:28] <Soupermanito> charlie-tca, i have an old ide 4.3GB drive, will you like me to use it for testing? I ask because i saw you talking about limit sized during installs
[15:28] <charlie-tca> We are only testing the default installation stuff, so it isn't too bad
[15:29] <charlie-tca> It is not necessary. We try to test something like that for the final images only
[15:29] <drc> OK, what I think I'll  do, if it acceptable, is test/install one (live/alternate, 32/64) each day, that way I'll more than cover the spectrum each week?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Things change too much until then
[15:29] <charlie-tca> That would be great, drc
[15:29] <charlie-tca> And keep in mind, part of testing is actually reporting bugs.
[15:30] <charlie-tca> I wait 24 hours to report them, normally. Many of the installer bugs get fixed within that time, so it save some work.
[15:31] <charlie-tca> We will also many days that the images are oversize and don't fit on a cd. That is expected too.
[15:32] <drc> The site says to report daily testing to the mail list...is there a template for reporting?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> no, it needs updating. Mainly, we would like you to tell us here if anything fails
[15:40] <drc> OK, that's easy
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Also, persistent fails, like more than a couple of days, we will track carefully
[15:41] <charlie-tca> Just slap me with a wet trout if I don't respond to you
[15:42]  * davmor2 readies frozen trout by splashing it with water
[15:42] <Soupermanito> booo xchat doenst have a /slap command
[15:42]  * charlie-tca wasn't thinking of a frozen trout, fresh would be much better
[15:43] <charlie-tca> frozen is like a hammer!
[15:48] <micahg> mr_pouit: thanks, I'll try to do a round of syncs tonight
[15:48] <drc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9SSOWORzw4
[15:49] <charlie-tca> micahg: thanks for helping out! It's good to see someone else helping mr_pouit.
[15:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: happy to do it, maybe it'll fix some of my issues with xubuntu on oneiric as well
[15:50] <davmor2> charlie-tca: You're just no fun anymore :D
[15:50] <charlie-tca> You get hit with a frozen trout, you won't be much fun either ;-)
[15:50] <drc> davmor2: you know how it is when someone gets promoted to management :)
[15:50] <charlie-tca> lol
[15:51] <davmor2> charlie-tca: haha
[15:51] <davmor2> drc: so true
[15:53]  * charlie-tca thinks the block of ice might have something to do with it :-)
[15:54] <davmor2> charlie-tca: I can bake it solid if it's only the cold that puts you off ;)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> hehe
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I guess I would prefer the cold
[15:59] <Soupermanito> you can install *buntu to playstation 3 :O
[16:42] <drc> Using zsync, will there be a problem if one is zsync'ing (is that a even a verb?) an iso every 4 days instead of daily?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> no, it just will take a lot longer
[16:43] <charlie-tca> since the image can be changed completely within 4 days, it might be faster to download a new image
[16:45] <Soupermanito> so adding a cron activity to run zsync is recomended?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> I don't use cron for it
[17:51] <micahg> ugh, xubuntu on oneiric pulls in unity now due to the gnome-session dep
[17:54]  * drc get out the garlic, holy water and stakes
[17:54] <ochosi> lol
[17:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:54] <charlie-tca> takes a while to get that straightened out
[17:56] <charlie-tca> why do we have a gnome-session dependency?
[17:57] <micahg> oh, haha, I don't think it's from xubuntu
[17:58] <charlie-tca> That's why I am waiting to upgrade
[17:59] <micahg> oh, yeah, I think there's a dependency chain, but it's long
[18:09] <charlie-tca> probably something to sort out around alpha2 if it is still there
[18:20] <drc> OK...off to re-partition this machine for a testing partition.  Haven't tried dual booting in years and years and years...and then it was not a pleasant task.  Back in a while, if it's successful, later if not.
[18:27] <charlie-tca> just let it install grub to the sda, if you don't have windows. I don't really know if you do have windows
[18:29] <charlie-tca> oops
[18:30]  * charlie-tca too late again
[19:26] <Unit193> charlie-tca: There has been major changes to the bug report...
[19:26] <pleia2> yeah :( since we didn't create a new one it's now marked as invalid for the website
[19:27] <pleia2> actually, just for ubiquity
[19:27] <charlie-tca> It is okay to have both packages in the same report, as long we do add both
[19:27] <charlie-tca> yes, it is invalid for upstream ubiquity
[19:27] <pleia2> it really should be made into a new bug if we want to file it though, the original bug is *just* a documentation one for the iste
[19:27] <pleia2> site
[19:28] <charlie-tca> valid for website and ubuntu ubiquity
[19:28] <pleia2> is the website still wrong?
[19:28] <pleia2> I think it's correct for natty
[19:28] <charlie-tca> It is correct for the wording on the cd
[19:28] <pleia2> we should probably drop the website from the bug then
[19:29] <pleia2> this is very confusing :)
[19:29] <charlie-tca> We can just sign the website task off as fix-released
[19:29] <pleia2> ok
[19:30] <pleia2> there :)
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[19:30] <Unit193> jmarsden kinda took that over...
[19:31] <charlie-tca> yes he did
[19:46] <Soupermanito> http://imagebin.org/154869
[19:46] <Soupermanito> oh wait not here