[08:54] <AlanBell> bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-font-family-sources/maverick/annotate/head%3A/LICENCE-FAQ.txt
[08:55] <AlanBell> oops
[08:56] <rww> reminds me, does Maverick have the new font by default, or did that get pushed back to 10.10?
[08:56] <rww> err, 11.04 **
[08:57] <AlanBell> it is getting real close, but I think it will make it
[08:58] <maco> ubuntu font licence was pushed today
[08:58] <maco> er yesterday
[21:20] <pleia2> updated http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage - if anyone else has additions please feel free to edit :)
[21:20] <czajkowski> @D
[21:20] <czajkowski> :D
[21:20] <czajkowski> pleia2: can I add I organised a conference ?
[21:23] <pleia2> czajkowski: please do
[21:23] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:24] <czajkowski> wanted to ask first
[21:27] <pleia2> I figure inspiring awesome work our team members do is fair game :)
[21:27] <Dolasilla> just noticed the italian ubuntu-debian meeting is in the report: thanks to anyone who added it :)
[21:28] <czajkowski> pleia2: cheers
[21:28] <pleia2> Dolasilla: sure! I go through the mailing list archives to generate the report, and that one was an obvious addition
[21:29] <Dolasilla> pleia2, thanks! hope our was just the first one of a series ;-)
[21:30] <pleia2> yeah, that'd be great
[21:48] <pleia2> Hi everyone,
[21:48] <pleia2> Quite a treat this month, Penelope's interview with 10.10 Kernel Release Manager Leann Ogasawara made the front page of Full Circle Magazine this month!
[21:48] <pleia2> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-41/
[21:48] <pleia2> oops, long paste
[21:48] <pleia2> but yeah!
[21:49]  * pleia2 adds to team report
[21:51] <Dolasilla> cool! :)
[21:52] <maco> one of the comments "A woman is a Kernel Release Manager? Groovy!"
[21:52] <maco> and one of the non-kernel release managers is too
[21:52] <maco> (kate stewart)
[21:54] <pleia2> think we could get an interview from her?


[06:36] <Kilos> morning all
[06:46] <Private_User1> morning Kilos
[07:06] <Kilos> very cold here
[07:25] <Cryterion> morning everyone
[07:25] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[07:32] <Kilos> we had 1 hour shedding last night from 8pm to 9 pm but i was already snug in bed and didnt see my way clear to start freezing all over again
[07:56] <mazal> Mornings
[07:59] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:59] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[07:59] <Kilos> koud maar goed dankie en jy?
[08:00] <mazal> Ok dankie , raasie baie nie
[10:03] <Kilos> squish102  is it your connection or your client timing out all the time?
[10:14] <MaNI> unreliable american internet :p
[10:24] <Kilos> ah
[10:33] <Kilos> aw telkom dropping the 2+1 promo
[10:33] <Kilos> http://newsletters.mybroadband.co.za/lt.php?c=525&m=540&nl=2&s=bf7acfe2dfd656e64c262fe9165a0e17&lid=12251&l=-http--mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/129836-new-telkom-mobile-data-prices-unveiled.html
[10:57] <inetpro> good afternoon
[10:58] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[10:58]  * inetpro just ran out of data and realised things have changed at Telkom mobile
[10:58] <inetpro> no more 2+1
[11:02] <Kilos> ya inetpro  but the 3g for 199 is close
[11:02] <Kilos> anytime
[11:02] <Kilos> ill use the 2 g for 139
[11:03] <Kilos> the night surfer data killed me
[11:10] <inetpro> Kilos: right at 6c per MB vs the old 5c per MB I guess we can't complain too much
[11:10] <inetpro> just wish we could get below 1c per MB at some point
[11:12] <inetpro> night surfer was really handy for updates at night
[11:13] <inetpro> guess we need a new strategy now
[11:15] <inetpro> but looks like the new deals are no longer just restricted to Telkom's own network like the old promos
[11:15] <inetpro> at least that is a good thing
[11:23] <Kilos> yeah
[11:24] <Kilos> i wonder if expiry dates change or if its still end of next calender month
[11:26] <inetpro> good question
[11:27] <Kilos> hi smile
[11:27] <Kilos> :)
[11:27] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[12:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:21] <Kilos> Maaz  hmm...
[12:21] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[12:22] <inetpro> how do I save a byobu session's output into a logfile?
[12:22] <Kilos> carefully
[12:22]  * Kilos ducks
[12:25] <inetpro> ai!
[12:27] <Kilos> google is YOUR friend
[12:27] <inetpro> Kilos: I would have accepted man byobu from you but "carefully"?
[12:28] <Kilos> lol
[12:28] <inetpro> Ctrl-a ~ - Save the current window's scrollback buffer
[12:28] <inetpro> that ^^ is not what I want
[12:28] <Kilos> why do you want to save it
[12:28] <Kilos> pipe it
[12:29] <inetpro> ai!
[12:29] <inetpro> when running a job it often happens that you have a large amount of output
[12:30] <Kilos> i dont run with things i push slowly
[12:30] <inetpro> and sometimes you only realise later that you want to go back up to see errors or anything else in the output
[12:30] <Kilos> aha
[12:31] <Kilos> i often wanted to do that with my scripts that run while booting
[12:31] <inetpro> problem comes in when you output is larger than the screen buffer
[12:31] <Kilos> cant you let it use some ram?
[12:31] <inetpro> no man
[12:31] <Kilos> i saw something somewhwere about sharing
[12:32] <inetpro> I just want the output to go to file... but it's actually simple anyway
[12:32] <Kilos> lol
[12:32] <Kilos> good
[12:32] <inetpro> just need to tee the output to file
[12:33] <Kilos> t different to pipe?
[12:33] <Kilos> 2 ways
[12:36] <inetpro> Kilos: for example: sudo apt-get upgrade | sudo tee /root/upgrade_20150721.log
[12:36] <Kilos> sudo
[12:36] <Kilos> well at least you had to pipe it too
[12:37] <Kilos> oh i forgot to say obviously
[12:38] <Kilos> im still using aptitude upgrade and nothing broke so far
[12:39] <Kilos> maybe they fixed the multiarch thing
[12:41]  * inetpro still uses aptitude for the superior search functionality
[13:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:25] <squish102> Kilos: no idea what was going on with internet, before last night, i have had about 4 outages in the year according to pingdom report
[13:26] <squish102> they doing some line upgrades in the area, maybe they were working on that (now that google fiber is in the area)
[13:27] <squish102> surprising all you need is google fiber to threaten to roll out and suddenly my 30mbit connection is running at 200mbit with no cost increase
[13:28] <Kilos> ok
[13:29] <squish102> isp's must be the worste most hated companies
[13:29] <Kilos> lol
[13:37] <inetpro> squish102: how's this for motivation?
[13:37] <inetpro> a friend of mine just sent me a screenshot of his speedtest of 96Mbps with a ping speed of just 10ms
[13:37] <inetpro> he just got himself fibre optic installed for his business
[13:38]  * inetpro :-{   <sulking>
[14:11] <Kilos> lol
[14:11] <Kilos> once you see what it is capable of everything else sucks
[15:20] <Kilos> inetpro  did you see what areas went off at 8pm last night
[15:20] <Kilos> i only had one hour off
[15:21] <inetpro> Kilos: http://www.tshwane.gov.za/sites/Departments/Public-works-and-infrastructure/Pages/Load-Shedding.aspx
[15:23] <inetpro> Kilos: STAGE 2 last night between 20:00 - 22:30 was scheduled for areas 10, 8
[15:23] <Kilos> ai! they still havent fixed it
[15:23] <inetpro> in other words you must be either 10 or 8
[15:23] <Kilos> oh yay
[15:25] <Kilos> ok so i wont be offline on tuesday night
[15:25] <Kilos> inetpro  ty. will you be here?
[15:25] <inetpro> dunno
[15:25] <Kilos> http://www.tshwane.gov.za/sites/Departments/Public-works-and-infrastructure/Pages/Load-Shedding.aspx
[15:25] <Kilos> look
[15:26] <Kilos> you the chair remember
[15:26] <inetpro> tis a gamble sir
[15:26] <inetpro> I'm scheduled for loadshedding, but who knows
[15:26] <Kilos> what area are you then
[15:27] <inetpro> is it important?
[15:27] <Kilos> well i want to make sure that you will be here
[15:27] <Kilos> oh ya forgot fone
[15:27] <Kilos> edge is fine for irc
[15:27] <inetpro> ai!
[15:27]  * inetpro just told him
[15:28] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm scheduled for loadshedding, but who knows
[15:28] <inetpro> maybe they don't, maybe they do
[15:28] <Kilos> ai! you so cheeky
[15:29] <Kilos> i want to inform them that we need you at that time
[15:29] <Kilos> and of course it is important
[15:29] <inetpro> there's nothing cheeky about it, I simply do not know what the future holds
[15:29] <inetpro> Kilos: I forgot one thing
[15:29] <Kilos> oh i thought you were clairvoyant
[15:30] <inetpro> perhaps I can still try via MTN
[15:30] <Kilos> eish
[15:30] <inetpro> my daughter has MTN
[15:30]  * inetpro will test later tonight
[15:30] <Kilos> ok then ty for your input sir
[15:32] <inetpro> Kilos: now I just need to make a plan with light on the keyboard... using a torch gets tricky
[15:33] <Kilos> i am gonna try leds fed from usb
[15:34] <Kilos> i have some leds from a bust infra red massager
[19:31] <Kilos> load shedding huh!
[19:34] <Kilos> hi superfly  ThatGraemeGuy
[19:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[19:35] <superfly> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy
[19:35]  * superfly hasn't had any Load Shedding the last few days
[19:35] <Kilos> lucky you, sshhhh dont let them hear
[19:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> because City of Cape Town has their s**t together :)
[19:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> eskom says stage 3, CoCT says nah, we've got extra, we'll do stage 1
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> we just did stage 1
[19:37] <Kilos> 1 1/2 hours
[19:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm referring to yesterday
[19:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> eskom stage 1 now, city of cape town says nah we have extra, no load shedding, enjoy your lights cape town peeps
[19:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:42] <jan_> Hi Kilos
[19:42] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[19:42] <jan_> you ok afte sitting in the dark?
[19:42] <Kilos> lol ya just cold
[19:42] <Kilos> how are you sir?
[19:42] <Kilos> what did you break?
[19:43] <Kilos> hehe
[19:43] <jan_> fine thks, glad the days are growing longer again
[19:43] <Kilos> whew but so slow
[19:43] <jan_> broke my geyswer, heating water by the fireplace
[19:43] <Kilos> eish
[19:43] <jan_> geyser
[19:44] <Kilos> i understan most typos
[19:44] <Kilos> i also have old cold fingers
[19:44] <jan_> replacing with solar, happening tomorrow
[19:44] <Kilos> good
[19:44] <Kilos> costly though
[19:44] <jan_> oh, mine are warm and sensitive, its the brain regulating thats rusty
[19:45] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <jan_> well it pays for itself in about 2 years, after that your in the green
[19:45] <Kilos> electricity as well or only water?
[19:45] <jan_> both, but I am told you hardly ever switch on
[19:46] <jan_> oh sorry
[19:46] <Kilos> switch on what?
[19:46] <Kilos> who told you that????
[19:46] <jan_> misunderstood, only water, heating via solar or switch on for electricity
[19:47] <Kilos> aha
[19:47] <Kilos> yes with our sun you should be fine
[19:47] <jan_> normal geyser, replaced by insurance, I only pay for the solar part
[19:47] <Kilos> cool
[19:48] <jan_> no hot!
[19:48] <jan_> yea, and cool!
[19:48] <Kilos> lol ou man thats a new word for great
[19:48] <Kilos> you havent read my wiki page
[19:49] <jan_> Ja eks darem nie so oud nie, leer by die kinders die nuwe goeters
[19:49] <jan_> no, link?
[19:49] <Kilos> i said there ive even learned to say cool when it has nothing to do with temperature
[19:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:49] <jan_> Like its cool when it's hot
[19:50] <Kilos> haha
[19:50] <jan_> Link to wiki page plse
[19:50] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[19:51] <Kilos> i had to open a browser to search for it
[19:51] <Kilos> other peeps remember theirs
[19:54] <jan_> Hey Kilos that site is really cool. Did not know about your injury, great to see how you have recovered and not taken it lying down.
[19:54] <Kilos> oh my
[19:54] <MaNI> ThatGraemeGuy, what I'd like to know is why they haven't done it before then, I mean its not like steenbraas popped up out of nowhere its 40 years old :p
[19:54] <Kilos> i lay down for years
[19:55] <MaNI> also is 160MW really enough to cover the amount of power eskom wanted to recover from capetown in stage 3, it seems low
[19:56] <MaNI> if all capetown needs to stop load shedding is 160MW why haven't they built a 160MW solar farm yet :p
[19:56] <MaNI> story is cool but it leaves me somewhat confused
[19:57] <jan_> Meant it figuratively speaking. Lying down. The last part is over my head, how to add comments. Why do the Linux peeps make things so damn complicated?
[19:58] <Kilos> haha thats hard work Langjan
[19:58] <Kilos> you have to edit the page
[19:59] <Kilos> but that page was made for when i applied for membership
[19:59] <jan_> Well it says add below - you edit from the top menu!
[19:59] <Kilos> im lost
[20:00] <Kilos> MaNI  confused?
[20:00] <MaNI> Kilos, http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Eskom/Cape-Town-beats-evening-load-shedding-peak-20150621
[20:01] <MaNI> the city of capetown loadshedding thing ThatGraemeGuy was talking about
[20:01] <Kilos> its all about money
[20:01] <Kilos> if everyone wasnt so money hungry the cities would have their own power going by now
[20:03] <inetpro> oh Kilos, my 3GB purchased this afternoon expires on Fri, 31 Jul 2015
[20:03] <Kilos> yay ty inetpro
[20:04] <Kilos> im glad they dropped the night surfer thing
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: me also to be honest
[20:05] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <inetpro> but it was useful for the kids
[20:06] <Kilos> ya we not owls
[20:06] <Kilos> do they stay up to use it?
[20:06] <jan_> Hi Kilos  the @ SIG @ thing does not work. I give up trying to contribute to Linux forums, the others are straightforward.
[20:06] <Kilos> inetpro  please help Langjan
[20:06] <inetpro> well, early mornings they could go mad... within reason
[20:07] <inetpro> which often doesdn't stay within reason obviously
[20:07] <jan_> ek het gese wat ek wil vir nou, gaan noe skottelgoed was en slaap
[20:07] <inetpro> hence me running out of data very quickly too often
[20:08] <Kilos> mooi om jan
[20:08] <Kilos> lekker werk en slaap warm
[20:08] <jan_> Lekker slaap kilos
[20:08] <jan_> dankie moi loop
[20:08] <inetpro> good evening oom jan_
[20:08] <Kilos> dankie
[20:08] <inetpro> oh and good night
[20:08] <jan_> 'night inetpro
[20:08] <Kilos> dont be so scarce old man
[20:08] <jan_> see you around shortly, I hope
[20:09] <Kilos> meeting tuesday night
[20:09] <jan_> wont be here sorry
[20:09] <Kilos> np
[20:09] <inetpro> ai!
[20:09] <Kilos> go safe where ever you are
[20:09] <jan_> wats np?
[20:09] <Kilos> no problem
[20:09] <jan_> Thanks Kilos in Pretoria with the kids
[20:09] <Kilos> enjoy
[20:10] <jan_> thks
[20:28] <Kilos> hi smile
[20:32] <smile> Hi! :)
[20:33] <smile> I got ownership of the GitHub project VLC Lyrics Finder
[20:34] <smile> :-D
[20:34] <Kilos> is that good
[20:34] <smile> Thats great! :-D
[20:34] <smile> Its like having no boss
[20:34] <Kilos> well done then
[20:34] <smile> :-D
[20:37] <smile> I accomplished a lot today while I did not do a lot :-O
[20:38] <smile> More goals reached than what I held for possible in one day
[20:38] <Kilos> thats the way to get ahead
[20:39] <smile> Yes! Now I still need to find a girlfriend :-P
[20:39] <inetpro> tomorrow is another day
[20:39] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:39] <smile> And get a student job
[20:39] <smile> Night!
[20:39] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[20:40] <smile> I still have over 2500 bookmarks, Kilos
[20:40] <Kilos> get the job first
[20:40] <Kilos> girlfriend once you are established
[20:40] <smile> I will try. ;-)
[20:40] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <smile> :-D
[20:41] <Kilos> Maaz  seen confluency
[20:41] <Maaz> Kilos: confluency was last seen 1 month, 25 days, 5 hours, 11 minutes and 18 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-27 08:30:25 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-06-17 09:53:51 PDT
[20:41] <smile> Okay lets make tuesday job hunting day
[20:42] <smile> Maaz seen gremble
[20:42] <Maaz> smile: gremble was last seen 1 day, 23 hours, 4 minutes and 15 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-06-19 14:37:50 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-06-19 16:47:24 PDT
[20:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:42] <smile> I miss gremble
[20:42] <smile> He was going to help me
[20:44] <Kilos> he is most likely busy somewhere
[20:45] <smile> Probably. But the help I need probably takes only 10 minutes
[20:45] <smile> He would translate a few sentences for me
[20:45] <Kilos> he also house sits for peeps with no internet
[20:46] <Kilos> to what language?
[20:46] <smile> How old is he?
[20:46] <superfly> o_0 there are people who have no internet!?!?!
[20:46] <superfly> GASP
[20:46] <Kilos> i suppose close to 30
[20:46] <Kilos> lol
[20:46] <smile> From English to Afrikaans. But I asked him and he said yes so I will poke him again :)
[20:47] <Kilos> maybe 25 i forget
[20:47] <smile> Not 20 like me
[20:47] <smile> :-P
[20:47] <Kilos> or paste it and ill try
[20:47] <superfly> smile: how long is it?
[20:48] <smile> A few texts
[20:48] <smile> 15 or so
[20:48] <smile> Very small ones
[20:49] <smile> You should checkout http://github.com/Smile4ever/VLC-Lyrics-Finder and scroll to the bottom
[20:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:54] <smile> Whats the matter? :)
[20:54] <Kilos> do you want to translate lyrics
[20:55] <smile> Nope
[20:55] <smile> Just the interface
[21:00] <smile> I will show you a screenshot later
[21:00] <smile> ;-)
[21:02] <Kilos> what project vlc trnas?
[21:02] <Kilos> trans
[21:02] <Kilos> smile  ^^
[21:02] <smile> ? :-O
[21:03] <Kilos> well it asked what project i want to join
[21:03] <Kilos> https://www.transifex.com/connect/projects/
[21:04] <smile> Vlc lyrics finder
[21:04] <smile> :)
[21:04] <Kilos> it doesnt show there
[21:05] <Kilos> got it
[21:05] <smile> :-D
[21:06] <Kilos> do you see me there
[21:07] <Kilos> why you come with this stuff so late at night
[21:08] <smile> You can do it tomorrow, too :-P and you dont even have to do it :)
[21:09] <smile> I cant because my pc is off :-P but I guess you joined the right project
[21:09] <Kilos> i will look at it tomorrow but trying to get the registration done before i leave
[21:09] <smile> You just need to confirm your email thats all
[21:10] <Kilos> ok then see you tomorrow
[21:10] <Kilos> i joined the afrikaans team but think its only me there
[21:10] <smile> Thats correct.
[21:10] <smile> :)
[21:11] <Kilos> lol
[21:11] <smile> You are the only one
[21:11] <smile> There is no team yet
[21:11] <smile> :-D
[21:11] <Kilos> oh my
[21:12] <smile> Because you are the only one
[21:12] <smile> :)
[21:12] <smile> For Afrikaans
[21:12] <Kilos> lol
[21:12] <smile> There is a team that contains all translators though
[21:13] <Kilos> nono i just wanted to see what you want translated
[21:14] <Kilos> would have been easier if you just pasted the text you wanted done
[21:14] <Kilos> this joining and stuff sjoe
[21:14] <smile> Sorry :-P
[21:14] <Kilos> np
[21:15] <Kilos> see you tomorrow then
[21:15] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:15] <smile> Good night :)
[22:05] <smile> Slaapwel :)


[13:47] <ago> hi people...
[13:49] <ago> i have note who if I re-compile a custom kernel on ubuntu...if the initrd is not present..the system not start...why?


[08:45] <foofighter> Can anyone help with this error: "It is not possible to reset this account's password."?
[08:45] <foofighter> I get it while trying to reset my password on Ubuntu login


[00:56] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5358 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): releasing version 2.10.7
[03:38] <stgraber> cjwatson: hmm, my 12.04 server just refused to reboot after the last few updates. I got a unaligned pointer error from grub at boot time
[03:38] <stgraber> cjwatson: I fixed it by booting into recovery mode and running update-grub + grub-install on both disks but I'm wondering if there's a general problem of grub not updating the mbr record of all disks on upgrade
[03:39] <stgraber> (luckily although some 6000km away, that server had kvm access so was fixable ;))
[05:48] <twb> I asked this yesterday but IIRC I didn't get an answer:
[05:49] <twb> How do I tell partman to use 1024 units instead of 1000 units?
[05:49] <twb> 1Mi doesn't work
[05:50] <twb> Really confusingly, if I type<PHONE_NUMBER>B it claims to allocate 2GB (not GiB), and if I give<PHONE_NUMBER> B it claims to allocate 512.0 MB
[05:51] <twb> This is in precise BTW
[05:52] <twb> Fuck it, anna-intall parted-udeb and do it by hand (if I can).
[06:00] <twb> cjwatson: FYI, "guided partitioning" in precise creates aligned / and /home, but biosgrub is *not* aligned according to parted-udeb's align-check optimal
[08:16] <cjwatson> stgraber: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/os-prober/ubuntu isn't abandoned, but my branch was unbound and I didn't notice
[08:16] <cjwatson> stgraber: (sorted now)
[08:19] <CIA-32> os-prober: cjwatson * r339 ubuntu/os-probes/mounted/x86/20microsoft: Add Windows 8 support
[08:20] <CIA-32> os-prober: cjwatson * r340 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.51ubuntu2
[08:20] <CIA-32> os-prober: cjwatson * r341 ubuntu/os-probes/mounted/x86/20microsoft: Add an alternate mode to 20microsoft where if WINOSDATA is set in the environment, partitions containing the OS are listed instead of partitions containing the boot record.
[08:21] <CIA-32> os-prober: cjwatson * r342 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.51ubuntu3
[08:21] <cjwatson> stgraber: I've transferred your commits over to that branch now - I'd prefer to use that because being able to merge directly from upstream git is handy
[08:22] <cjwatson> stgraber: grub> what does 'debconf-show grub-pc' say/
[08:22] <cjwatson> ?
[08:23] <cjwatson> stgraber: os-prober changes look plausible, thanks
[08:25] <cjwatson> stgraber: I've pushed the Windows 8 support part upstream
[08:28] <cjwatson> bdmurray: installation-guide is the right place; I deleted the kickseed task
[08:30] <CIA-32> installation-guide: cjwatson * r501 ubuntu/ (build/entities/common.ent debian/changelog): Bump kernelversion to 3.2.
[08:31] <CIA-32> installation-guide: cjwatson * r502 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/welcome/what-is-ubuntu.xml): Bump GNOME version to 3.4.
[08:32] <CIA-32> installation-guide: cjwatson * r503 ubuntu/ (build/entities/common.ent debian/changelog): Bump release version and names for Precise.
[08:38] <CIA-32> installation-guide: cjwatson * r504 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/install-methods/automatic-install.xml):
[08:38] <CIA-32> installation-guide: Add an example Kickstart configuration file, thanks to Ameet Paranjape
[08:38] <CIA-32> installation-guide: (LP: #969568).
[08:40] <CIA-32> installation-guide: cjwatson * r505 ubuntu/ (build/preseed.pl debian/changelog):
[08:40] <CIA-32> installation-guide: Expand &archive-mirror; to archive.ubuntu.com when generating example
[08:40] <CIA-32> installation-guide: preseed file (LP: #955607).
[08:41] <cjwatson> really ought to merge with Debian but this is a start ...
[08:42] <CIA-32> installation-guide: cjwatson * r506 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20100518ubuntu6
[08:55] <cjwatson> bdmurray: do you know how to get http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html to come up to date?
[09:26] <gema> cjwatson: what do you want us to do with uefi grub re bug 934614?
[09:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 934614 in grub2 "reinstall of precise breaks grub with invalid arch independent ELF magic" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934614
[09:26] <gema> cjwatson: john johansen is also willing to help, but I am not sure what you are after from your comment?
[09:27] <cjwatson> gema: in my comment I indicated that I could use the output of boot_info_script
[09:27] <cjwatson> was that unclear?
[09:27] <gema> cjwatson: yes, let me read it again
[09:27] <cjwatson> "The output of 'sudo boot_info_script' from http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ (the boot-info-script package is only version 0.60 which doesn't support UEFI, so please make sure to use at least version 0.61) may be useful in tracking this down."
[09:28] <cjwatson> and my install was UEFI, I do know the difference ;-)
[09:29] <gema> cjwatson: does your grub install and work with all the uefi bits and pieces?
[09:29] <cjwatson> yes.
[09:29] <gema> :D
[09:29] <gema> ahh, ok
[09:29] <cjwatson> I know the difference. :-)
[09:29] <gema> yeah, I don't so I am just making sure, bear with me
[09:29] <cjwatson> I mean it's a bit busted, but it doesn't have the sort of fundamental breakage you're reporting
[09:29] <gema> cjwatson: ack
[09:30] <cjwatson> which to me smells very strongly of a UEFI grub core image trying to load BIOS grub modules or vice versa - which is a misconfiguration
[09:30] <cjwatson> it could for example happen if there's a prior installation and the system is booting from the wrong one, but now /boot/grub/ contains a different type of modules
[09:31] <cjwatson> e.g. you booted the installer using UEFI but are attempting to boot the installed system using BIOS - this is typically a firmware menu choice
[09:31] <cjwatson> you have to be consistent and boot the installer and the installed system using the same one
[09:31] <cjwatson> of BIOS vs. UEFI
[09:31] <gema> cjwatson: how do we know which booting method the liveCD used?
[09:32] <cjwatson> it installed grub-efi therefore it was booted using UEFI
[09:32] <gema> ok
[09:32] <cjwatson> it is possible for it to be booted either way
[09:32] <cjwatson> it's usually a boot menu choice
[09:32] <gema> ok, understood, we'll run the script and update results as soon as I can get that machine to reboot :)
[09:32] <cjwatson> I expect the script will indicate that there are bits of the previous BIOS GRUB installation lying around
[09:33] <gema> ok
[09:33] <cjwatson> which isn't actually an error as such, it will just mean you need to figure out how to boot the installed system using UEFI
[09:33] <cjwatson> BTW if you considered /var/log/installer/partman sensitive, then the output of boot_info_script is too
[09:33] <gema> ok
[09:41] <gema> cjwatson: what information exactly are you looking for, I am finding difficult to convince the owner of the machine to run that script
[09:42] <cjwatson> gema: I need to know whether there are bits of a BIOS GRUB lying around somewhere, to confirm this hypothesis
[09:43] <cjwatson> gema: otherwise, the owner of the machine needs to be very clear whether they're booting the installed system using BIOS or UEFI, and (if my hypothesis is correct) learn how to boot it using UEFI
[09:50] <gema> cjwatson: his machine always tries to boot UEFI and falls back to bios if UEFI doesn't work
[09:50] <gema> cjwatson: there is no configuration setting to do anything else
[09:55] <cjwatson> I'm afraid, then, I don't know.  It works for me.
[10:15] <gema> cjwatson: yeah, but we are not shipping your machine, so let me try contacting jjohansen and see if he can run the script
[10:16] <cjwatson> gema: I understand that we are not shipping my machine, but the error reported here is unlikely to be hardware-specific
[10:17] <gema> cjwatson: you are probably right, that is exactly why I'd like to get it fixed, let me talk to john and see if he can run the script and get us that data
[10:17] <cjwatson> gema: The error indicates that GRUB is trying to load a module which is fundamentally incompatible with the GRUB core image being run
[10:17] <cjwatson> gema: If that were a bug in the package, it would be reproducible on every UEFI install
[10:17] <cjwatson> gema: Contrariwise, since it is not reproducible on every UEFI install, that suggests that it is likely a configuration problem of some kind
[10:18] <gema> cjwatson: configuration of what?
[10:18] <cjwatson> gema: And, since the report concerns a situation of a UEFI install being performed over the top of a BIOS install, the overwhelming probability is that some bit of the prior BIOS install is being loaded
[10:18] <cjwatson> From the point of view of GRUB, that's a configuration problem
[10:19] <cjwatson> And if the user is unwilling to provide all the information I need, I'm afraid I can't proceed
[10:21] <gema> cjwatson: I understand that, I am trying to find a more willing user, will ping you when we have that data
[13:12] <stgraber> cjwatson: oh, "debconf-show grub-pc" indeed showed me what's wrong ;)
[13:12] <stgraber> cjwatson: I installed that machine from kvm, then rebooted on metal which is how I usually install systems remotely in that datacenter
[13:12] <stgraber> cjwatson: but grub stored the disk/by-id path to the disks, which no longer match
[13:12] <stgraber> grub-pc/install_devices: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-QEMU_HARDDISK_QM00001, /dev/disk/by-id/ata-QEMU_HARDDISK_QM00002
[13:13] <stgraber> these should instead be /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3000DM001-9YN166_S1F013HW /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3000DM001-9YN166_S1F01Q0B
[13:13] <cjwatson> right, you need 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' after changing disks
[13:14] <cjwatson> grub doesn't have a safe way to tell what to do otherwise
[13:21] <stgraber> cjwatson: done, thanks. I guess I'll add a check for that in my post-install sanity check script (ensuring that everything listed in install_devices actually exists)
[14:02] <stgraber> jibel: ping
[14:03] <stgraber> jibel: could you confirm the fix for bug 772470 with your setup?
[14:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 772470 in ubiquity "os-prober doesn't detect Windows partition but the recovery partition instead" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772470
[14:06] <jibel> stgraber, ok will do.
[16:24] <jibel> stgraber, no difference. no wubi option and no m-a, same output for os-prober. Are there any specific conditions the system should satisfy to display these options ?
[16:25] <stgraber> jibel: argh...
[16:25] <stgraber> jibel: it needs to have ntfs partitions containing user directories
[16:25] <stgraber> jibel: can you paste /var/log/installer/debug and /var/log/syslog somewhere?
[16:26] <stgraber> jibel: during testing yesterday I had a few times where ntfs wouldn't mount causing what you're describing here
[16:29] <jibel> stgraber, aha, you're right: "Failed to mount '/dev/sda3' Operation not permitted"
[16:29] <bdmurray> stgraber: you might look at the merge proposal for bug 973794
[16:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 973794 in casper "Malformed 'search' entry in /etc/resolv.conf on network install" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973794
[16:29] <stgraber> yay! not my fault ;)
[16:29] <jibel> stgraber, fixing windows first and will install again
[16:30] <stgraber> jibel: thanks
[16:30] <stgraber> jibel: apparently Windows 8 likes to suspend-to-disk on shutdown, making mounting the partition almost always impossible, so we'll need to figure something out for 12.10
[16:30] <stgraber> jibel: one option is to cancel the suspend to disk (there's an ntfs-3g option for that) but that may end up with data loss for the user
[16:31] <stgraber> bdmurray: I'll have a look, thanks
[16:32] <jibel> stgraber, yep, my test systems sometimes stops in weird states. chkdsk usually fix that.
[16:51] <stgraber> bdmurray: right, valid bug report but I don't really like the fix, changing the logic completely has a high potential of regression. I'll have a look at just fixing the sed regexp
[16:56] <jibel> stgraber, m-a works
[16:57] <stgraber> jibel: cool, did wubi work too (when the partition table is full)?
[16:57] <jibel> stgraber, no, I must change the partitioning in windows first.
[16:57] <stgraber> k
[17:23] <stgraber> gema: Can I get ssh access to a machine affected by bug 966294?
[17:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 966294 in ubiquity "Ubiquity loops forever from ubiquity_webcam_play" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966294
[17:25] <gema> stgraber: I guess I can make it happen, yes, gimme a sec
[17:25] <stgraber> gema: thanks
[22:15] <CIA-32> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5359 trunk/ (151 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[22:57] <CIA-32> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5360 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.10.8


[00:39] <Guest904> hello pls my soundcard stoped working after doing an upgrade on xubuntu, anybody would pls help me?
[00:42] <Guest904> hello pls my soundcard stoped working after doing an upgrade on xubuntu, anybody would pls help me?
[02:36] <mefistofeles> hey
[02:36] <mefistofeles> does xubuntu uses gnome volume applet? or what does it use?
[02:36] <mefistofeles> it's for a friend
[02:38] <sk8ergurl87_> hi everyone :) I have a question since I just installed Ubuntu
[02:39] <sk8ergurl87_> ubuntu seems not to be detecting my microphone at all
[02:41] <moetunes> sk8ergurl87_:  ubuntu or xubuntu ?
[02:41] <sk8ergurl87_> ubuntu 10.10... im not sure which irc channel I should be in
[02:41] <sk8ergurl87_> so I am sorry if i'm in the wrong one...
[02:42] <moetunes> sk8ergurl87_:  in your irc client do /join #ubuntu
[02:43] <sk8ergurl87_> ok thank you! :)
[02:43] <charlie-tca> mefistofeles: xfce4-mixer
[02:43] <mefistofeles> charlie-tca: thanks
[03:50] <charlie-tca> !panel
[05:22] <sergio_barbanegr> please i lots my audio after the upgrade of my xubuntu 10.04
[05:23] <sergio_barbanegr> qhat can i do?
[05:25] <gr8m8> check that there are sound modules being loaded with   lsmod | grep snd   in terminal
[05:27] <sergio_barbanegr> thanks
[05:28] <sergio_barbanegr> alright what should i do
[05:31] <gr8m8> there were a few modules already loaded?
[05:34] <sergio_barbanegr> i dont know
[05:34] <sergio_barbanegr> i showed you through private whats shown
[05:37] <gr8m8> why would you pm in such a quiet channel? and how could you not know how many there were?
[05:37] <gr8m8> more then 5?
 snd_via82xx            20058  2
 gameport                9089  1 snd_via82xx
 snd_ac97_codec        100646  1 snd_via82xx
 ac97_bus                1002  1 snd_ac97_codec
 snd_pcm_oss            35308  0
 snd_mixer_oss          13746  2 snd_pcm_oss
 snd_pcm                70694  3 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
 snd_page_alloc          7076  2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm
 snd_mpu401_uart         5617  1 snd_via82xx
 snd_seq_dummy           1338  0
 snd_seq_oss            26722  0
 snd_seq_midi            4557  0
 snd_rawmidi            19056  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
 snd_seq_midi_event      6003  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
 snd_seq                47263  6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
 snd_timer              19098  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
 snd_seq_device          5700  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
 snd                    54180  13 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
 soundcore               6620  2 snd
 this is being shown
[05:40] <sergio_barbanegr> i dont really know
[05:40] <sergio_barbanegr> i am not really good at this
[05:41] <sergio_barbanegr> that is what is shown
[05:41] <lighta> sergio_barbanegr, you should really use pastebin
[05:41] <sergio_barbanegr> it was working fine i just did a general upgrade
[05:42] <sergio_barbanegr> aja
[05:46] <sergio_barbanegr> dont know just do not have any sound
[05:46] <sergio_barbanegr> +and it was fine before
[07:03]  * BALSAQ takes the long way home to....Xubuntu!
[10:58] <nicofs> Does anybody know when there will be an ARM-release of Xubuntu?
[11:00] <Sysi> when ubuntu want's to support it, if yet doesn't
[11:04] <nicofs> afaik, 80% of ubuntu packages are ported to ARM already...
[13:17] <iTruc> hi
[13:17] <iTruc> how to mount shared folders in xubuntu ?
[13:18] <charlie-tca> !samba
[13:18] <brot> iTruc: depends on the type of those shared folders.
[13:20] <iTruc> why windows ?
[13:20] <iTruc> :)à
[13:20] <iTruc> :)
[13:20] <charlie-tca> perhaps you would then expand and tell us what you are trying to do?
[13:22] <iTruc> to connect and mount a shared folder with VMware (yes it's a virtual machine)
[13:22] <iTruc> so how to ?
[13:23] <charlie-tca> I have no idea about VMware. It isn't supported in Xubuntu as far as I know
[13:38] <brot> iTruc: vmware uses smb shares
[13:39] <brot> so look in the vmware help what ip addres and what share name to use, and mount it like a samba share
[14:01] <Deddly> Hello, I wonder if anyone can help with an audio problem I am having. Sound playback is crackly at best (sometimes just a buzz when I change settings in Mixer). The computer is an IBM Thinkpad T-22. Soundblaster Pro soundcard I believe.
[14:01] <Deddly> Oh yes, and it's Xubuntu 10.04 LTS
[14:05] <Deddly> Nobody has any ideas?
[14:15] <leoquant> !audio
[14:17] <Deddly> Thanks, I'll check it out, leoquant . I should also add that I have no audio issues using DSL on the same machine.
[14:20] <leoquant> DSL= damn small linix Deddly ?
[14:20] <leoquant> ix=ux
[14:21] <leoquant> i have used it with OSS
[14:22] <leoquant> (which is open sound system)
[14:22] <Deddly> leoquant: Yes, that's the one.
[14:22] <leoquant> but please check the wiki first Deddly
[14:22] <Deddly> leoquant: I'm reading it now but so far it seems to be adressing sound not working at all
[14:25] <Deddly> leoquant: I can't see anything there that seems to relate to my problem. You think OSS could help?
[14:25] <leoquant> Deddly, i am not a sound specialist , maybe someone else in  this support channel
[14:25] <leoquant> stay tuned
[14:26] <Deddly> leoquant: OK, thanks for the help in any case.
[14:29] <iTruc> [14:38] brot: iTruc: vmware uses smb shares <<--- ok thanks ;)
[14:29] <iTruc> charlie-tca: know if someone ask the same question you know. :)
[14:43] <iTruc> in the ubuntu software liv
[14:43] <iTruc> library
[14:44] <iTruc> what do i need to choose for a samba client ,
[14:44] <iTruc> ?*
[14:44] <iTruc> :)
[15:02] <charlie-tca> !smb
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Might be able to use gigolo too
[16:19] <Morphix> can anyone assist me in making my onboard nic and USB ports work please? "lsusn" shows nothing even with a USB drive connected
[16:19] <Morphix> "lsusb" even
[16:24] <charlie-tca> what does lspci show for network card?
[16:24] <Morphix> it only shows the nic thats I have put into the PCI slot
[16:25] <Morphix> oh wait
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Maybe you have to turn the onboard nic and the usb ports on in bios
[16:25] <Morphix> no it does show the onboard I think
[16:25] <Morphix> "00:14.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 08)"
[16:26] <Morphix> but I am unsure if thats the card its showing twice
[16:26] <Morphix> as everything else is VIA
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Is that a wired and wireless both capable card, perhaps?
[16:26] <Morphix> nope, as there is no wireless
[16:26] <charlie-tca> 10.04 and 10.10 should have detected the card
[16:28] <Morphix> how can I find out for certain?
[16:29] <charlie-tca> probably plug the ethernet cable into it, remove the slot card, and restart the computer? Have you tried that?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> When you right click the network manager in the top panel, does it show eth0 and eth1?
[16:31] <Morphix> well when I first installed the system I had the cable plugged into the onboard however, when the install was complete I had no networking
[16:31] <Morphix> no just eth0
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Does the pci slot override the onboard?
[16:32] <Morphix> no it shouldnt
[16:32] <Morphix> thats only the case with graphics cards I believe
[16:33] <charlie-tca> it did on older dell laptops
[16:33] <Morphix> this is not a laptop
[16:34] <Morphix> need a reboot hang on please
[16:37] <Morphix> I can only see eth0 :(
[16:38] <Morphix> I am running 10.10
[16:39] <charlie-tca> lspci showed three ethernet controllers? or jsut the intel Pro 100 ?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> s/jsut/just
[16:39] <Morphix> just the install pro 100
[16:39] <Morphix> intel*
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Then the onboard is not showing up at all
[16:39] <Morphix> it would seem not
[16:39] <Morphix> but it is enabled
[16:40] <Morphix> as when I connect a cable it lights up
[16:40] <charlie-tca> that pro100 must be the PCI card
[16:40] <Morphix> yes
[16:40] <Morphix> so howcome I cant see the onboard one or anything for USB?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know, unless there is a bios setting to turn them off/on
[16:41] <Morphix> it is defo enabled in the bios
[16:41] <Morphix> i will power down and double check just to be 100%
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I am at a loss, maybe someone with more knowledge will come along with more answers
[16:42] <Morphix> ill be back in 5mins
[16:45] <Morphix> charlie-tca: I am fool, they was both disabled in the bios, I am just glad that I took the time to double check
[16:46] <Morphix> but thank the load its now working :D
[16:46] <Morphix> thank you for your help
[16:47] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Glad you found it
[16:47] <Morphix> this channel is great I must say
[16:47] <Morphix> anyone needing help should come here first
[16:47] <Morphix> ;)
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:48] <Morphix> I have lots of things to get working, but I dont wish to annoy you with lots of questions
[16:48] <charlie-tca> As long as you are patient, it is okay to keep asking for help
[16:48] <charlie-tca> Any of else will answer if we think we can help
[16:49] <Morphix> I am a newbie, but I have managed to make most things work, however, some of the finer detail stuff I cant workout
[16:49] <charlie-tca> I know that feeling
[16:49] <charlie-tca> I off to a meeting now
[16:49] <Morphix> chow for now :)
[16:49] <Morphix> ty
[16:50] <Morphix> on Bindows I used Skype-Mate alongside Skype in order to use my VOIP phone work with Skype, however,  on ubuntu I can install Skype without a problem, but there doesnt appear to be a skype-mate for ubuntu
[16:50] <Morphix> is there anyway I can use my USB telbox on ubuntu with skype?
[16:51] <charlie-tca> !voip
[16:51] <Morphix> USB telbox is a simple PSTN to USB converter, which converters any PTSN phone to a USB VOIP phone
[16:52] <Morphix> Skype is easy, however, a Ubuntu equivalent of Skype-Mate is the problem
[16:53] <charlie-tca> ubuntu skype-mate
[16:53] <Morphix> is there one of those?
[16:54] <Morphix> apparently so
[16:56] <Morphix> sudo apt-get install skype skypemate
[16:56] <Morphix> Package skype is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Try ekiga instead
[16:59] <charlie-tca> skype works, ekiga is supposed to be similar to skypemate
[16:59] <Morphix> is there a kinda skypemate for that or something alike that will allow my VOIP phone to work?
[17:00] <Morphix> aye ok
[17:00] <Morphix> let me try that
[17:02] <Morphix> nice "Need to get 37.5MB of archives" lol
[17:10] <MorphixNW> can I register my nick on here so I can keep it permenately?
[17:10] <charlie-tca> !register
[17:11] <charlie-tca> well!
[17:12] <MorphixNW> ty ill read and reg
[17:12] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:16] <MorphixNW> ty charlie-tca I am now registered I believe
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Great!
[17:18] <MorphixNW> I will frequent this channel and contrib where possible
[17:19] <charlie-tca> We welcome any help here.
[17:20] <MorphixNW> :)
[17:20] <MorphixNW> its been years since I used IRC properly
[17:21] <MorphixNW> although I used to little else lol
[17:21] <charlie-tca> It will come back. It just takes time
[17:21] <MorphixNW> it all seems fimilar once someone points me in the right direction
[17:21] <charlie-tca> heh, we can do that
[17:21] <MorphixNW> I couldnt even workout how to join a channel lol
[17:21] <MorphixNW> "/join" seemed too simple to forget once I worked it out hahaha
[17:22] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:22] <MorphixNW> how many bosses so to speak are there on this channel?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> There are usually three or four channel ops around.
[17:23] <MorphixNW> sounds good
[17:23] <MorphixNW> I dont like there being too many tbh
[17:23] <charlie-tca> We try to let it be self-policing, as much as possible
[17:23] <MorphixNW> thats a very good way of working IMHO
[17:24] <MorphixNW> god only know what network/channel I used to use, but it has been maybe 5yrs :P
[17:26] <DBeets> How would I go about setting my default browser without using the xfce settings manager?
[17:26] <DBeets> I'm having trouble getting chrome set as default
[17:26] <MorphixNW> Cant you do that within the browsers preferences?
[17:26] <MorphixNW> I am sure thats how I did it
[17:27] <DBeets> well when I start chrome it asks to be set as default and when I say yes it apparently doesn't take
[17:28] <MorphixNW> try doing it within the preferences
[17:28] <DBeets> I tried setting it in the settings manager but that doesn't take either
[17:28] <MorphixNW> see if that makes a difference
[17:28] <MorphixNW> could remove the other browser?
[17:29] <DBeets> The thing is the other browser isn't installed. I copied my /user folder from another machine and now it wants to use chromium
[17:30] <MorphixNW> hmmm
[17:30] <charlie-tca> You can't use xfce settings manager?
[17:30] <MorphixNW> possibly remove the "chromium" reference from the said folder, otherwise I am unsure but someone will help
[17:31] <DBeets> charlie-tca: no, I tried manually entering /usr/bin/google-chrome in the preferred applications setting but it doesn't take
[17:32] <charlie-tca> check in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml for anything that might be setting it?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Also look in ~/.cache maybe? just guessing, but those two files control most of the settings
[18:15] <MorphixNW> I have installed ekiga in order to try and make my VOIP phone work,, Ekiga does seem to work fine and it does detect my phone, however, its not the skype client I was expecting?
[18:19] <MorphixNW> reading forums suggests that Ubuntu does not support VOIP phones too well if at all, I really hope this is not the case
[18:19] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I don't use one
[18:20] <MorphixNW> its a must for me
[18:20] <MorphixNW> skype works fine
[18:23] <MorphixNW> hows about a touchscreen on Ubuntu?
[18:24] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW woooo... wacom?
[18:24]  * dr4c4n droolz...
[18:24] <MorphixNW> dt4cn: excuse me?
[18:24] <dr4c4n> you said hows about a touchscreen on Ubuntu... imagine running ubuntu on the new wacom touchscreen
[18:25] <dr4c4n> I was just dreaming
[18:25] <dr4c4n> :)
[18:25] <MorphixNW> hahaha :)
[18:25] <MorphixNW> well the touch seems to be recognised, however, it badly needs calibrating
[18:25] <MorphixNW> is there a package to do this?
[18:25] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: calibration of touch screen package, none that I know of that does it automatically
[18:25] <dr4c4n> one sec.. I'll check my sources..
[18:25] <MorphixNW> manually?
[18:26] <dr4c4n> ts_calibrate?
[18:27] <MorphixNW> do i need to install that?
[18:27] <dr4c4n> or elotouchscreen
[18:27] <dr4c4n> I would assume so, you can try them out
[18:27] <dr4c4n> the other one I've found with rudimentary skillz
[18:27] <MorphixNW> E: Unable to locate package ts_calibrate
[18:27] <MorphixNW> E: Unable to locate package ts_calibrate
[18:28] <dr4c4n> is evtouch_current
[18:28] <MorphixNW> E: Unable to locate package elotouchscreen
[18:28] <dr4c4n> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/ts_calibrate.1.html
[18:28] <MorphixNW> apt-get install evtouch* worked
[18:29] <dr4c4n> :)
[18:29] <dr4c4n> I just searched the forums, and rudimentary google search
[18:29] <dr4c4n> so what is this touchscreen that you're calibrating?
[18:29] <dr4c4n> is it a wacom?
[18:29] <dr4c4n> I <3 the new wacom's
[18:29] <dr4c4n> gah.. /me droolz
[18:29] <MorphixNW> god knows, its branded RichPOS
[18:29] <dr4c4n> oh now.. I'm dreaming again
[18:29] <MorphixNW> FEC
[18:30] <dr4c4n> RichPOS FEC - ooh a part of a Point of sale system?
[18:30] <dr4c4n> now that's kewl stuff..
[18:30] <MorphixNW> it was yes
[18:30] <dr4c4n> wha.. cool
[18:30] <MorphixNW> would be if it would work lol
[18:30] <MorphixNW> works fine on Bindows
[18:30] <dr4c4n> lol
[18:30] <dr4c4n> windoze...
[18:30] <MorphixNW> Microsucks yeah
[18:30] <dr4c4n> oh all hail the proprietary drivers..
[18:31] <MorphixNW> the drivers are working on here I think
[18:31] <MorphixNW> just off calibration
[18:31] <dr4c4n> excuse me a moment, while I record all the customers debit and credit card numbers
[18:31] <dr4c4n> lol
[18:31] <dr4c4n> sweet :)
[18:31] <MorphixNW> ;)
[18:31] <MorphixNW> I install that evtouch
[18:31] <MorphixNW> but no idea how to use it lol
[18:31] <dr4c4n> lol
[18:31] <MorphixNW> nothing in the apps menu
[18:31] <dr4c4n> man evtouch
[18:31] <dr4c4n> cmd line?
[18:31] <dr4c4n> perhaps
[18:32] <MorphixNW> no man entry
[18:32] <MorphixNW> evtouch: command not found
[18:32] <dr4c4n> crudites
[18:32] <dr4c4n> one sec
[18:32] <MorphixNW> ?
[18:32] <MorphixNW> ok
[18:33] <dr4c4n> searching for stuff is fun on the train
[18:33] <MorphixNW> haha something to do at least
[18:33] <dr4c4n> except I'm sharing all my bandwidth with all of these other people running windoze
[18:33] <dr4c4n> and os X
[18:33] <dr4c4n> it's fun to see what everyone has in their shared folder
[18:33] <dr4c4n> for the first half hour
[18:33] <dr4c4n> then it's kinda boring
[18:34] <dr4c4n> still doing the search one sec
[18:34] <MorphixNW> lmfao loving it mate
[18:34] <scifi> hi, yesterday i moved the default panel from the top of the screen to the bottom, today when i logged on the panel is still at the bottom, but the applications, places etc menus have gone!! how do i get them back???
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Add them using "add to panel"
[18:35] <charlie-tca> the menu will be named xfce menu, but is the same as applications
[18:35] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: http://www.nextabyte.com/support/touchscreen/Touchscreen_HowTo.pdf ?? perhaps this might help
[18:35] <dr4c4n> oops 404 one sec.
[18:35] <MorphixNW> ty let me try that
[18:35] <MorphixNW> oh no
[18:35] <dr4c4n> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-447535.html
[18:35] <MorphixNW> ty
[18:36] <dr4c4n> there's an sh script on there..
[18:36] <dr4c4n> also touchkit? for linux?
[18:36] <MorphixNW> 404 on the sh script
[18:37] <dr4c4n> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/mandriva-linux/86066-touchscreen-calibration.html
[18:37] <scifi> charlie-tca: thx thats what i was looking for, altho like u say its got a different name, also need to find the 'places' menu
[18:37] <charlie-tca> right-click the word xfce, left-click properties and change the name to Applications
[18:38] <scifi> charlie-tca: yeh, just worked that out, cheers tho :)
[18:38] <charlie-tca> places is the same thing, add to panel, places
[18:39] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: any luck?
[18:39] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: also there has to be some documentation on that first thing you downloaded and installed somewhere.. ubuntu forums is a good spot, you can also try googling the name of the package too :D
[18:40] <Deddly> I'm having an audio problem. Sound playback is crackly, popping at best (sometimes just a buzz when I change settings in Mixer). The computer is an IBM Thinkpad T-22. Xubuntu 10.04 LTS. DSL works fine though. Does anyone know what I can do to fix this?
[18:42] <MorphixNW> phone call mate hang on
[18:43] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: np
[18:43] <scifi> cant seem to get them to move to left side of panel even tho i have it set there :/
[18:45] <charlie-tca> add a spacer or separater to the panel
[18:46] <eaglewatch> Hi, why the UNlock button does not work in my Xubuntu 9.10?
[18:47] <charlie-tca> you have an Unlock button?
[18:47] <TheSheep> eaglewatch: what's that?
[18:47] <dr4c4n> I want one
[18:47] <scifi> thx,  but i think it was because i had them set to fixed position ;/
[18:48] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n, if i try to change the date for example I have to unlock it...
[18:48] <eaglewatch> ok?
[18:49] <dr4c4n> eaglewatch: ah, so this unlock button was added when you upgraded? or it is just there? I've never seen an unlock button
[18:50] <TheSheep> eaglewatch: you mean in system settings?
[18:50] <TheSheep> eaglewatch: how exactly it 'doesn't work'?
[18:50] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n, yes... in the system setting
[18:50] <TheSheep> eaglewatch: any error message?
[18:50] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n, if I click--- NO ACTION :(
[18:50] <scifi> charlie-tca: thx for the help, still not QUITE right, gonna close xchat a min...
[18:50] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: I am still struggling
[18:51] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n: if I click--- NO ACTION :(
[18:51] <charlie-tca> TheSheep must be wearing the invisibility cloak today? ;-)
[18:52] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: dw about me, sort the others out, Ill still be here
[18:59] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n,any idea?
[18:59] <dr4c4n> have you tried right clicking / changing whatever setting that you are trying to change
[18:59] <dr4c4n> ?
[19:00] <dr4c4n> barring that, have you looked in the log files for any error messages?
[19:00] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n, how can I do?
[19:00] <dr4c4n> I used 9.10 for a while (when it came out) the only lock / unlock I remember wasn't a part of the actual XFCE interface
[19:00] <dr4c4n> well try right clicking on the unlock button to authenticate??
[19:01] <dr4c4n> or what are you trying to do?
[19:01] <eaglewatch> right click-> no actiom
[19:01] <dr4c4n> are you trying to change the clock or settings, and it's not unlocking for you?
[19:01] <eaglewatch> correct
[19:01] <charlie-tca> tried left-clicking it?
[19:01] <eaglewatch> and also LOGIN SCREEN
[19:01] <dr4c4n> you are on the login screen?
[19:01] <eaglewatch> charlie-tca,  sure
[19:01] <dr4c4n> good one charlie-tca
[19:02] <eaglewatch> no.. i try to changelogin screen setting (i am already in my desktop)
[19:02]  * charlie-tca just thinking that right-click almost nevers does what he wants
[19:03] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: that's because some evil gnome always changes your right click settings right before you use it
[19:03] <dr4c4n> ;)
[19:03] <dr4c4n> change login screen setting, and it's asking for authentication / there's a lock / unlock button there correct?
[19:03] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n, so? I have no idea...
[19:03] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n, yes you are right :)
[19:03] <dr4c4n> eaglewatch: uno momento.. looking up this is xubuntu 9.10 correct?
[19:04] <eaglewatch> dr4c4n, yes
[19:04] <dr4c4n> eaglewatch: have u read this forum post: http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1308700&rct=j&q=xubuntu%209.10%20change%20login%20screen%20setting%20lock%20unlock%20button&ei=MBEJTeKmLcrGswbom5WUAw&usg=AFQjCNG-hGOYo6Eq22QknpM8QMYvfUIrQA
[19:05] <eaglewatch> not yet
[19:05] <dr4c4n> perhaps might be an idea, depends on what you want to do with that login screen, but I think it might point you in the right direction :)
[19:06] <eaglewatch> ah ok....
[19:06] <eaglewatch> thanks a lot
[19:06] <eaglewatch> now I read ok?
[19:06] <dr4c4n> eaglewatch: best of luck, you should try the latest version ! :)
[19:07] <eaglewatch> ok
[19:07] <eaglewatch> :)
[19:07] <eaglewatch> ciaoooo!
[19:08] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: we should write a gnome-do wrapper for all of your right click functionalities :) and call it evil-gnome
[19:09] <charlie-tca> don't really think we need it. Besides, there are many changes coming in xfce4.8
[19:10] <dr4c4n> was making a funny ;) but that's alright :) Looking forward to the next version
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Next version is way more fun to try and make things work! ;-)
[19:10] <Guest44846> hey guys i just installed xubuntu and i can't see my other drives
[19:11] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: next version is way more fun to break, and then try to make things work :)
[19:11] <Guest44846> -freebird
[19:11] <charlie-tca> dr4c4n: that too! :-)
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Guest44846: are they linux drives or windows drives?
[19:11] <Guest44846> does anyone know how to fix this issue
[19:12] <Guest44846> both
[19:12] <Guest44846> 3 drives 2 windows and 1 linux
[19:12] <charlie-tca> I would guess you have to mount them
[19:12] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: it's like getting holiday presents and randomly plugging them in to see if they'll play nicely with the latest version of xubuntu...
[19:12] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:12] <charlie-tca> !samba | Guest44846
[19:13] <dr4c4n> ah with the mounting, and the chrooting
[19:13] <Guest44846> how can i mount them they aren't seen even in ect/media
[19:13] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: where do you get a list of these nice preformatted messages?
[19:13] <dr4c4n> Guest44846: check ur dmesg to see what device your hard drive is, then you need to know your partition table info
[19:14] <dr4c4n> guest44846: fdisk will help, but be careful not to change the partition table, just find out what they are named
[19:14] <charlie-tca> dr4c4n: I get them from http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[19:14] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: thx -- will peruse at my leisure
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Don't need all of them, there are only a few I use
[19:15] <Guest44846> great i didn't think i would have a issue with the drives not showing so i didn't pay attention to the drive tables
[19:15] <Guest44846> ok fdisk  got ya
[19:15] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: for what it worth I dont think Ill bother with this touchscreen
[19:15] <dr4c4n> Guest44846: yeah, it's not such a big deal, you can look at it now while either on livecd or in your ubuntu install :)
[19:16] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: oh noez, don't give up now!!!
[19:16] <dr4c4n> if ur going to put windows back on it, and somehow use it that's cool
[19:16] <dr4c4n> if it's going to the dump.. u could mail it to me ;)
[19:16] <MorphixNW> it would be nice, but jeez this one seems hard
[19:16] <MorphixNW> lmfao
[19:16] <MorphixNW> neither, sticking with ubuntu, but just not using the touch part of the screen
[19:16] <charlie-tca> MorphixNW: maybe you need wine for that part of things
[19:17] <charlie-tca> !wine
[19:17] <Guest44846> i ussually run ubuntu instead but looking for another alternitive before they screw it up by taking away the gnome interface
[19:17] <dr4c4n> nothing is too hard..
[19:17] <dr4c4n> yes, was going to suggest wine, and then see if you can see the underlying commands to have it working in windows
[19:17] <dr4c4n> guest44846: that doesn't necessarily screw it up
[19:17] <dr4c4n> you can install gnome :D
[19:17] <dr4c4n> if u really wantz it
[19:18] <Guest44846> lol i have no ideal how to
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Guest44846: Xubuntu and Xfce don't make it quite as easy to configure. But you can make more changes with it, too. ;-)
[19:18] <MorphixNW> If I cant run it natively then I wont use the touch at all
[19:18] <charlie-tca> You can also use "classic desktop" session at login instead of unity in Ubuntu
[19:18] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: awe... too soon gave up too soon! :) you can doooo it
[19:19] <MorphixNW> your right dt4c4n but for today ;)
[19:19] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: seems like a holiday project to me
[19:19] <dr4c4n> :D
[19:19] <MorphixNW> it will bug me until it works
[19:19] <Guest44846> btw how do i cange my name in here to something other than guest
[19:19] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: now that's the spirit
[19:19] <dr4c4n> Guest44846: depends on ur irc client
[19:19] <charlie-tca> !nick | Guest44846
[19:19] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: right now I would much prefer to make my VOIP phone work with skype
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Well, at least this part - use /nick newnick
[19:20] <Guest44846> ty
[19:20] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca has got the factoids down pat :)
[19:20] <Guest44846> !nick freebird
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Took me two years to learn that one
[19:20] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: good luck with that :) you'll get it I'm sure
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Guest44846: / instead of !
[19:20] <MorphixNW> I need a ubuntu equivalent to skypemate
[19:20] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: I want to figure out how to install and setup an asterix box
[19:21] <MorphixNW> which interfaces the VOIP phone with skype
[19:21] <freebird> ty that worked
[19:21] <MorphixNW> that I can do :P
[19:21] <charlie-tca> w00t! You did it :-)
[19:21] <MorphixNW> FreePBX is awesome
[19:21] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: not to mention a whole bunch of other side projects that I want to work on too, but I first have to finish my current "Project"
[19:21] <MorphixNW> lol I have lots too
[19:21] <freebird> how would i switch interfaces when the new ubuntu comes out back to gnome
[19:22] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: like a linux powered CCTV system
[19:22] <dr4c4n> oh boy I'm going to go offline in about 1/2 hour
[19:22] <dr4c4n> oooh sweet
[19:22] <dr4c4n> :D
[19:22] <dr4c4n> there's a really awesome linux program for doing security cam setups
[19:22] <MorphixNW> and a door lock release Ubuntu controlled of course ;)
[19:22] <dr4c4n> one sec.. lemme find that link..
[19:22] <charlie-tca> freebird: just add it to Xubuntu using sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:22] <dr4c4n> gah.. rfid lock
[19:22] <dr4c4n> want !
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Then you pick the session you want when you login
[19:23] <freebird> ty charlie you guys are great ty for allowing me to ask noob questions .
[19:23] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: Zoneminder
[19:23] <charlie-tca> That's why we are here
[19:23] <MorphixNW> no such thing as noobs, just beginners :)
[19:24] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: I had trouble with the hardware, the software was easy :)
[19:24] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: nice :)
[19:24]  * charlie-tca figured it was "people with knowledge, and those who want to have that knowledge"
[19:24] <MorphixNW> I have a 4port S-VIDEO card, but I couldnt make it work
[19:24] <freebird> lol i'm good at both ussually but its the cmds i can't figure out
[19:25] <dr4c4n> yes you could.. you made it work right :)
[19:25] <dr4c4n> no such thing as can't make it work
[19:25] <dr4c4n> unfortunately it's just the amount of time it takes to find out how to make it work
[19:25] <MorphixNW> very true
[19:26] <dr4c4n> freebird: feel welcome, be polite in asking questions, and people are open to helping others :)
[19:26] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: dont you need to go offline? lol
[19:27] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: as I said 1/2 hour :D
[19:27] <dr4c4n> I have another 1/2 hour before I get to my destination on the train
[19:27] <dr4c4n> until then ur stuck w/ me
[19:27] <MorphixNW> hahaha sounds good
[19:27] <MorphixNW> any chance of some assistance with this skypemate thing?
[19:27] <dr4c4n> skype and the voip phone ?
[19:27] <freebird> i have noticed lol i like the support better for xbuntu better than for ubuntu i spent 2 hours trying to get someone to answer my question in ubuntu irc and first 5 min yall had answered several
[19:28] <MorphixNW> :)
[19:28] <dr4c4n> freebird: don't tell our secrets to anyone
[19:28] <MorphixNW> just send them to this channel ;)
[19:28] <charlie-tca> it is only because #ubuntu has so many users in the channel. We are much smaller here
[19:29] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: no no no :D don't do it, don't go there :) lol (just kidding)
[19:29] <MorphixNW> :P
[19:29] <dr4c4n> ok the skype voip phone
[19:29] <MorphixNW> yes please
[19:29] <dr4c4n> sip software?
[19:29] <MorphixNW> "lsusb" shows "Bus 003 Device 003: ID 6993:b001 Yealink Network Technology Co., Ltd. VoIP Phone"
[19:29] <MorphixNW> I wanna be able to use it with skype
[19:30] <dr4c4n> yes perhaps you need to link it using some sort of sip software
[19:30] <freebird> Lol even thou i don't like the x versoin as much due to a few issues i'll probaly switch for the fact i can get help if i do need it and the few things i know how to fix i might be able to help others
[19:30] <MorphixNW> ekiga?
[19:30] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: http://www.nch.com.au/skypetosip/ - this looks like a commercial solution
[19:30] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: ekiga does recognise the phone, however, how does one link that to skype?
[19:31] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: i'm sure there's gotta be FOSS software somewhere that does something similar
[19:31] <MorphixNW> must be one would think
[19:32] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: that "uplink" software is win32?
[19:32] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: yes but as you can see, it can do the connection.. you just need to find the open source alternative
[19:32] <dr4c4n> :)
[19:32] <MorphixNW> ;)
[19:32] <MorphixNW> google it is :P
[19:33] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: if it exists for windoze one hopes there's something in FOSS, as I said above
[19:33] <MorphixNW> well skypemate is an app that links the phone to skype, however, skypemate is not FOSS
[19:35] <dr4c4n> ah, well then it should have tech support
[19:35] <MorphixNW> maybe this http://zhink.com/site/main/index.php/20071022skype-to-sip-gateway-personal-edition/
[19:35] <dr4c4n> lol ;) (just kidding)
[19:35] <dr4c4n> um. you can try it
[19:35] <dr4c4n> I was just thinking that is how you would link it
[19:35] <MorphixNW> it claims to be a sip to skype gateway
[19:36] <freebird> once i get gnome installed i have to reboot to make it take changes?
[19:36] <dr4c4n> otherwise there should be more information on how to connect your voip phone to skype directly, on their site or some such thing..
[19:36] <dr4c4n> freebird: most likely
[19:36] <freebird> ty dr4c4n
[19:36] <MorphixNW> oh no no, its a tar.gz
[19:36] <dr4c4n> freebird: generally when doing systemwide changes, it's a good idea to reboot :)
[19:37] <dr4c4n> freebird: your computer will thank you for it
[19:37] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: ah, well then.. time to extract, make and make install somewhere ur not afraid to break something :)
[19:37] <freebird> :P yeah i learned that with windows and ubuntu
[19:38] <dr4c4n> windoze... oh brother..
[19:38] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n, there is no make file
[19:38] <freebird> yeah been a computer tech for 10 years and supported winblows
[19:38] <MorphixNW> freebird: ditto
[19:39] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: how does it ask u to compile? ./configure? it should be in the readme
[19:39] <MorphixNW> there is no readme lol
[19:39] <freebird> that is part of the reason i have started using linux i wanted a challenge something i didn't know inside and out
[19:39] <dr4c4n> oooh lulz.. baaad baad programmers..
[19:40] <MorphixNW> no ./configure either
[19:40] <dr4c4n> freebird: I got frustrated with having to clean out my computer every three months.. which I do now every six when the new released version comes out
[19:40] <MorphixNW> crap thing
[19:40] <dr4c4n> lol
[19:40] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: link?
[19:40] <MorphixNW> http://zhink.com/site/main/index.php/20071022skype-to-sip-gateway-personal-edition/
[19:40] <dr4c4n> lulz
[19:41] <freebird> lol spyware? adware ? viruses?dr4c4n
[19:41] <dr4c4n> did u read the adverts on the top of that page...
[19:41] <MorphixNW> hahahahaha
[19:41] <MorphixNW> have now
[19:42] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: check out sippyskype
[19:43] <dr4c4n> yuck.. some ppl should learn how to design websites... just like learning how to write powerpoint presentations.. this is pretty damn ugly
[19:43] <dr4c4n> http://www.bloged.co.uk/archives/001839.php
[19:43] <dr4c4n> someone give me a shot of decent brain thinkage
[19:43] <MorphixNW> seconded
[19:44] <MorphixNW> Epson SX115 on Ubuntu with scanner working
[19:44] <MorphixNW> ;)
[19:44] <freebird> how do i change font color or talk directly to the person in chat here
[19:44] <MorphixNW> printer is easy, albeit slow to actually begin printing
[19:45] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: congrats :)
[19:45] <MorphixNW> but simple-scan doesnt see the scanner
[19:45] <freebird> what type of printer is it
[19:45] <MorphixNW> EPSON SX115 all-in-one
[19:49] <freebird> http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=06c040711e1b1db2adc834b10a35e5e6&t=1340875   might help you
[19:49] <MorphixNW> freebird: ty
[19:50] <freebird> np bro i have had my far share of issues in ubuntu with our 4 wireless all in one printers
[19:50] <freebird> pulled my hair out for a week trying to fix all of them
[19:51] <MorphixNW> freebird: it seems from that link that its possible to make the scanner work or the printer, but not both together
[19:52] <freebird> sorry bro i'll see if i can find a solution for you i'm waiting on gnome to install anyway
[19:52] <MorphixNW> dont worry, no rush
[19:52] <MorphixNW> would be nice to have, but not a problem
[19:52] <freebird> how do you make your text to me red
[19:52] <MorphixNW> this VOIP thing is the thing on my brain rightnow
[19:52] <dr4c4n> freebird: enter in the name of the person
[19:53] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: has VOIP on the brain
[19:53] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: it's a condition really
[19:53] <dr4c4n> :D
[19:53] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: Bahaha I didnt even know that I was doing that lol
[19:53] <charlie-tca> freebird: it also depends the irc client. Xchat assigns colors on its own
[19:53] <freebird> any / before the name of the person
[19:53] <MorphixNW> is xchat the best one for ubuntu?
[19:53] <freebird> i'm using the defualt xchat
[19:53] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: yeah, you just like to make things more ostentatious
[19:54] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: it's personal preference really
[19:54] <MorphixNW> I like to understand :)
[19:54] <charlie-tca> yes, depending on how many channels you use and how much you use IRC
[19:54] <MorphixNW> just this one and lots of late :P
[19:54] <charlie-tca> and there is a difference between Xchat and Xchat-gnome
[19:54] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: for example another project I want to figure out how to use IRSSI
[19:55] <MorphixNW> never heard for it
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I have 20 or more channels open all the time
[19:55] <MorphixNW> guessing its an RSS reader for a sort?
[19:55] <freebird> xchat is a lighterweight package compared to xchat-gnome right?
[19:55] <charlie-tca> IRSSI is an IRC client you use in terminal
[19:56] <MorphixNW> nice
[19:56] <MorphixNW> would be good on my donkey
[19:56] <MorphixNW> spare machine I plan to use to do all the work, downloading etc
[19:56] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: you have an ass
[19:56] <MorphixNW> lmfao
[19:56] <MorphixNW> I dooooo
[19:57] <dr4c4n> sweet!
[19:57] <charlie-tca> freebird: xchat is the original application. xchat-gnome was built from it
[19:57] <freebird> really lol thats cool whats his name ?
[19:57] <MorphixNW> its not setup yet
[19:57] <MorphixNW> but the machine is ready to rock
[19:57] <charlie-tca> language | dr4c4n
[19:57] <charlie-tca> !language | dr4c4n
[19:57] <MorphixNW> however, I have a complete POS Terminal, its a PC complete with all the normal bits plus some extras, I plan to install ubuntu onto it and its own touchscreen, I would really love to make it work with all the bits
[19:57] <freebird> lol the bot warned you
[19:58] <MorphixNW> :P
[19:58] <MorphixNW> dont use **** either it busts you on that one lol
[19:58] <freebird> lol
[19:58] <dr4c4n> freebird: in red too! I apologize, it was in reference to the donkey, I wonder what they would say about my dog
[19:58] <charlie-tca> they would tell you not to say that anymore
[19:58] <MorphixNW> lmfao, I norice what dr4c4n meant, but the bot isnt that clever :P
[19:59] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: isn't a bot
[19:59] <freebird> dr4c4n they will probaly bust you as well
[19:59] <MorphixNW> no but ubotu is
[19:59] <dr4c4n> I assume so, but know this .. that wasn't a bot
[20:00] <MorphixNW> anywho
[20:00] <dr4c4n> yes but ubottu was instantiated by a human
[20:00] <dr4c4n> therefore. not a bot
[20:00] <dr4c4n> but in any case.. I laughed.. it was a joke
[20:00] <MorphixNW> can anyone advise of the best ubuntu system to install on this low spec POS Terminal I have?
[20:00] <freebird> lol
[20:00] <MorphixNW> 256MB RAM
[20:00] <dr4c4n> puppy linux!
[20:00] <MorphixNW> ubuntu?
[20:00] <dr4c4n> although they have a horrible package manager on full install
[20:01] <freebird> dsl= damn small linux
[20:01] <charlie-tca> MorphixNW: Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[20:01] <MorphixNW> which ever would be best for a lower spec'd machine
[20:01] <charlie-tca> or, if you don't need the GUI, use server edition
[20:01] <dr4c4n> Lubuntu.. am googling that now
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu uses about 30% fewer resources than Xubuntu
[20:01] <MorphixNW> charlie-rca: ty
[20:02] <MorphixNW> but what about eeexubuntu?
[20:02] <dr4c4n> oh boy.. that's what I should have installed on that old pentium 3 ..
[20:02] <charlie-tca> I think that is proprietary to eee pcs, but am not sure
[20:02] <MorphixNW> old p3? would make a decent machine :P
[20:03] <charlie-tca> old p3? that is what this is
[20:03] <MorphixNW> charlie-tca: i know its for low specs, but I am with you
[20:03] <charlie-tca> I thought eeexubuntu was discontinued, but maybe not
[20:03] <MorphixNW> linux brings back to life what once would be considered crap if you have Microsucks Bindows on it
[20:03] <dr4c4n> doh. I recently did an installation for an elderly woman, putting puppy linux on it, unfortunately after installing to the machine, the package manager would return all status 200 ok when testing the urls, but it wouldn't download the information or install the packages.. highly annoying
[20:04] <MorphixNW> linux for an old lady?
[20:04] <dr4c4n> and weird thing was, all installations while running from the live cd worked.
[20:04] <MorphixNW> my granny cant even use her mobile properly
[20:04] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: lol, my mom can't even use her computer properly, this elderly lady knew she just wanted the google and the email
[20:04] <Arpad2> hello
[20:04] <dr4c4n> hello arpad2
[20:05] <dr4c4n> I gotta pack up now
[20:05] <dr4c4n> arriving at station, talk to y'all l8rz
[20:05] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: chow for now then
[20:05] <freebird> brb gotta reboot
[20:05] <MorphixNW> thanks for your help
[20:05] <Arpad2> how to install this driver? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-260.19.29-driver.html
[20:06] <charlie-tca> in what version, Arpad2
[20:06] <Arpad2> ?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> what release of xubuntu?
[20:07] <Arpad2> 10.10
[20:07] <charlie-tca> it will probably break it
[20:07] <charlie-tca> !nvidia
[20:07] <Arpad2> what does it mean "break it" ?
[20:08] <Arpad2> i.e. won't work ?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> means you get to keep the mess after trying to install it, and might have to reinstall xubuntu to make it work again
[20:08] <Arpad2> ok
[20:08] <Arpad2> I'm mean its not ok
[20:09] <charlie-tca> nvidia changed their installer, and it was breaking 10.10 real bad a few months back
[20:09] <charlie-tca> maybe it is fixed, maybe not
[20:10] <Arpad2> ok, I will look into the link you gave
[20:10] <MorphixNW> ok specs: Celeron 1200, 256mb, 2xHDD slots (I have many drives that can be used), what would run the best?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> needs the gui?
[20:11] <MorphixNW> hmmm
[20:11] <MorphixNW> well not exactly worked out what I plan to do with it yet
[20:11] <MorphixNW> only that I want to use it and it must be linux
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Doesn't need the gui, install Ubuntu Server on it
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Needs the gui, going to be slow with Xubuntu, but can use one application at a time.
[20:12] <MorphixNW> it is possible to use ubuntu desktop headless and reinstall the head if I so choose?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu without adding to it is usable
[20:12] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:13] <MorphixNW> would that improve the speed?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> but desktop will be slow
[20:13] <MorphixNW> but what would I use a headless system for?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Desktop is GUI, so it wouldn't be ideal.
[20:14] <MorphixNW> ok different question, why would I want a machine without a gui? are there many uses?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> I use headless for a server here. I keep all my data on it, and use it for an internet router with a firewall
[20:14] <MorphixNW> hmmmm
[20:14] <MorphixNW> smoothwall
[20:14] <charlie-tca> It serves as my data server, print server, firewall, and router
[20:14] <MorphixNW> ?
[20:15] <MorphixNW> sounds good
[20:15] <MorphixNW> geeky but very good and fun
[20:15] <MorphixNW> I am a super geek afterall, just never used linux as much as I would like
[20:15] <charlie-tca> That way I don't need a GUI on it, and I do run up to 10 systems at a time here
[20:15] <MorphixNW> wow
[20:15] <MorphixNW> specs?
[20:16] <knome> having a server is not geeky, remembering it all from your head is geeky
[20:16] <charlie-tca> 866MHz, 512MB ram, P3
[20:16] <MorphixNW> hmmm the CPU in this POS Term is 1200 but its a celeron
[20:16] <charlie-tca> With equal ram it would be fast with xubuntu
[20:17] <MorphixNW> only 256
[20:17] <MorphixNW> it uses SODIMM
[20:17] <charlie-tca> as a server it would work great
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Hello, knome
[20:17] <MorphixNW> file server?
[20:17] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:17] <rappi> hi everybody, im new in irc and to xubuntu
[20:18] <knome> hey charlie-tca
[20:18] <charlie-tca> !hi | rappi
[20:18] <MorphixNW> aint that hard to config?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Depends on how hard you make it.
[20:18] <MorphixNW> lol
[20:18] <MorphixNW> well i would like simplicity at least to start
[20:18] <MorphixNW> as this is all alien to me
[20:19] <rappi> i spent the whole day to get my wlan to run, but i cant find anything in forums which helps
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Throw dnsmasq on it, I build the iptables myself for the firewall, and I use nfs and ssh-fuse for the files to keep it simple
[20:19] <rappi> maybe someone have some minutes, and gibe  me some guidance?
[20:19] <MorphixNW> think ill setup my web server first and be sure that it goes smoothly
[20:20] <charlie-tca> wlan will take someone else to step in. I can't make them work
[20:20] <MorphixNW> nor me
[20:21] <MorphixNW> although I managed it with Windows Drivers installed and a Linksys usb WLAN
[20:21] <freebird> question what kind of card are you using with your wlan
[20:22] <freebird> are you trying to setup a network on your wlan or trying to get it to connect to the internet ?
[20:22] <rappi> Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
[20:23] <rappi> the problem is that i cant connect to my network
[20:23] <rappi> neither with wpa encryption nor without one
[20:23] <MorphixNW> did you test it with all the security disabled?
[20:23] <rappi> yes
[20:24] <freebird> your network includes windows vista and/or win7 right?
[20:24] <rappi> i disabled it on the router
[20:24] <rappi> afterwards i typed iwconfig
[20:24] <MorphixNW> try using wicd
[20:24] <MorphixNW> sudo apt-get install wicd
[20:24] <MorphixNW> worked fo rme
[20:25] <rappi> i not sure if i get you right freebird, i have an win xp pc in the network and a dualboot with vista
[20:26] <freebird> rappi can you see the winxp vista you have to change the user group on the vista machine
[20:27] <freebird> i may be happen to get it to work if he can see his winxp machine
[20:27] <freebird> able*
[20:27] <rappi> @freebird: sry again, im not quite sure what you mean. i should change the user group on the win xp machine? please note that this pc is a connected by wire
[20:29] <freebird> @rappi ok is your winxp up now ? I noticed you said  it was a duel-boot system
[20:30] <rappi> oh, i have a dualboot with vista, im currently up with xubuntu via wired network. the win xp pc which is also in the network is also up
[20:31] <freebird> i'm assuming that you have samba installed on ubuntu
[20:32] <rappi> not yet
[20:32] <rappi> currently i just want to get my wireless to connect to the router
[20:33] <rappi> maybe i try to explain my problem more in detail?
[20:33] <freebird> ok i understand i was not on the same page bro sorry
[20:33] <rappi> :), i have a more or less new installation of 10.10
[20:34] <rappi> i now try to get access to the network and so on, via wireless.
[20:34] <rappi> wicd is installed
[20:35] <freebird> if you click the icon near the clock  that looks like a wireless signal it may also  look like 2 arrows 1 up and 1 down
[20:35] <rappi> i already deinstalled network manager
[20:35] <rappi> because i read in a forum that it is confusing ^^
[20:35] <rappi> but when i had installed nm, i saw my network
[20:36] <freebird> ok
[20:36] <rappi> do you want a dmesg of the connection process?
[20:36] <MorphixNW> remove nm and install wicd instead
[20:36] <rappi> done
[20:36] <rappi> :)
[20:36] <MorphixNW> does it show wireless networks?
[20:36] <freebird> good cause i wouldn't be able to figure it out unless you had it installed lol i'm new also to ubuntu
[20:37] <freebird> i love this irc support when so many are so helpful
[20:37] <rappi> yes wiced can see my network, please note that i currently wpa is active
[20:38] <MorphixNW> so the card is working fine at least
[20:38] <rappi> true, it is very kind to help noobs like me, also im aware that my english is not the best, sry for that in advance
[20:38] <MorphixNW> try changing the security to WEP
[20:38] <MorphixNW> seems fine to me :P
[20:40] <freebird> np  your no problem at all i don't know much but i don't mind helping if i can
[20:40] <MorphixNW> rappi: you using a laptop?
[20:41] <freebird> brb guys
[20:41] <MorphixNW> ok
[20:45] <MorphixNW> rappi has gone
[20:45] <MorphixNW> so
[20:45] <MorphixNW> can anyone help me with a possible EPOS setup for Linux?
[20:46] <freebird> btw i figured out why i couldn't see my other drives on a freash install i had to open gigolo then i could see my other drives
[20:46] <MorphixNW> :P
[20:46] <MorphixNW> gigolo is the easy way
[20:47] <MorphixNW> you can also use fstab to mount them
[20:47] <MorphixNW> inc ntfs drives
[20:47] <freebird> morphix i wish
[20:47] <freebird> i could help ya but i donno how to help ya
[20:47] <MorphixNW> freebird: with what?
[20:48] <freebird> EPOS
[20:48] <MorphixNW> yeah
[20:48] <MorphixNW> well would be awesome if its possible
[20:48] <MorphixNW> I am trying to develop a cheaper alternative to the EPOS systems currently on the market
[20:49] <MorphixNW> as they are very pricey
[20:49] <freebird> you can build your own system alot cheaper
[20:49] <MorphixNW> indeed but the software is the trick
[20:49] <MorphixNW> getting all the required functions
[20:50] <freebird> true that i'm not real fimilar with what functions is required for EPOS
[20:51] <MorphixNW> I am ;) I worked for a company called Software Solutions are an EPOS engineer
[20:51] <MorphixNW> they sell systems for 3.2k
[20:51] <freebird> what functions do they have then maybe i can help a little more lol
[20:52] <TheSheep> MorphixNW: so what problem do you have exactly?
[20:52] <MorphixNW> well barcode reading (obvious one), stock take/count, etc
[20:52] <MorphixNW> thesheep: I dont have a problem as such, I am looking for a solution
[20:52] <TheSheep> MorphixNW: if you want to write one, just pick your favorite programming language and do it
[20:52] <MorphixNW> EPOS
[20:53] <MorphixNW> TheSheep: I wish I was a programmer I would have it done by now :P
[20:53] <freebird> oh ok so a setup for a retail store
[20:53] <MorphixNW> yes
[20:53] <TheSheep> MorphixNW: so you are looking for progarmmers to do it for you?
[20:53] <MorphixNW> no
[20:53] <MorphixNW> I am looking for an EPOS package
[20:54] <MorphixNW> although I might consider outsourcing to a programmer with the required skills if needs be
[20:54] <TheSheep> I don't think there is any
[20:55] <MorphixNW> would it be do-able for a programmer do you think?
[20:55] <freebird> could this help you http://www.openbravo.com/product/pos/
[20:55] <MorphixNW> let me see :)
[20:56] <freebird> lol
[20:56] <TheSheep> MorphixNW: not sure if this is it, but there is something called 'tryton' in the ubuntu repos
[20:56] <TheSheep> you may give it a look
[20:56] <MorphixNW> ty
[20:56] <MorphixNW> ill check it out
[20:57] <rappi> hi again, did you get any of my messages since "changed to WEP"?
[20:57] <freebird> kk i hope it works for you if not search google " open source POS software
[20:57] <MorphixNW> rappi: no but did you close and re-open xchat
[20:58] <MorphixNW> freebird: ty
[20:58] <freebird> nope got it that time tho rappi
[20:58] <freebird> morpixNW np
[20:58] <rappi>  i saw that in my dmesg: Tunable channels: 13 802.11bg, 19 802.11a channels
 my router is setup with channel 11 802.11 b and g
 does it mean that i can only use channel 13 with b and g?
 sry lost connection
 cannot connect to the WEP encrypted router, wicd says bad passphrase. but i double checked it, it should be correct
[20:58] <rappi> i think i lost connection by changing the encryption mode
[20:59] <freebird> are you in US? if so channel 13 shouldn't work
[20:59] <rappi> nop im in europe
[20:59] <freebird> oh ok make since lol
[21:00] <rappi> but i also had the idea that it means the w-card can handle 13 channels with b and g mode
[21:03] <freebird> its always a good practice if your router is pushing from 11 to set up your wlan to 11 as well
[21:03] <freebird> what are the default channels in europe in US its 1 and 6
[21:04] <rappi> sry, i have no idea
[21:05] <rappi> but since my neigbours also using 1 and 6, i assume that ones :D
[21:05] <rappi> as well
[21:06] <freebird> ok let me see if i can google it and help you with knowing the default channels   they will give you the best proformance in most cases
[21:07] <MorphixNW> freebird: that openbravo has downloaded and I have install the .bin file
[21:08] <freebird> (1, 7, 13
[21:08] <MorphixNW> is there a shortcut key to minimise all windows?
[21:08] <charlie-tca> MorphixNW: that little square in the bottom left panel will if you click it
[21:09] <MorphixNW> charlie-tca: I dont have a little square
[21:09] <freebird> UH  donno i would imagine lol but sorry i don't know the cmd other than killall but thats like hitting alt+f4 in windows over and over again
[21:09] <charlie-tca> you have something there, to the left of the task list
[21:09] <MorphixNW> :P
[21:10] <MorphixNW> I dont
[21:10] <freebird> what interface are you using gnome?
[21:10] <MorphixNW> xfce4
[21:11] <freebird> @rappi (1, 7, 13 ) 1 and 7 is your primary but by default 13 is your channel
[21:11] <rappi> i guess that the reason why he is in #xubuntu and not in #ubuntu ;-)
[21:12] <charlie-tca> MorphixNW: try ctrl+Alt+d
[21:12] <MorphixNW> charlie-tca: your a gem
[21:12] <MorphixNW> ty
[21:12] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:12] <freebird> lol
[21:12] <MorphixNW> that was exactly what I wanted
[21:12] <freebird> wow i learned something as well lol
[21:13] <rappi> ok, but do you think that i cant connect because i have the wrong channel?
[21:13] <MorphixNW> all the shortcut keys I learnt over the years are useless lol
[21:13] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:13] <rappi> :D
[21:13] <MorphixNW> there are no stupid questions :)
[21:13] <charlie-tca> you can look in Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Window Manager, Keyboard for a list
[21:14] <MorphixNW> nice tip thank you
[21:14] <freebird> rappi try channel 1 or 7 try to stay away from 13 ( this must be setup throu the router and wlan ) to get best proformance
[21:14] <freebird> lol he left before i could type it
[21:15] <freebird> rappi try channel 1 or 7 try to stay away from 13 ( this must be setup throu the router and wlan ) to get best proformance
[21:15] <puppy> I would like to thank everyone here for helping me the past two days, i finally got my system up and running
[21:15] <MorphixNW> :)
[21:15] <puppy> Puppy is not what i was on before, it was lostkid. Thank you again
[21:15] <MorphixNW> me too Puppy, I cant imagine going back to Bindows now
[21:16] <puppy> Oh this is clean, though i want to customize but im having a hard time figuring a few things out. Nothing time and experance cant fix
[21:16] <MorphixNW> sometimes the best way too#
[21:17] <puppy> I do have a question, i have seen a few of my friends using backgrounds that move and i was wondering how they did that.
[21:17] <MorphixNW> seems memory hungry lol
[21:17] <freebird> linux has been very frusterating for me but i will never go back to winblows i love the way linux runs hate the tinkering to make things work but once it work its great better proformance and response time
[21:19] <MorphixNW> I love the way Pidgin shows you received messages in the corner even if the chat window is in the bg somewhere
[21:19] <freebird> @puppy try this it might answer your question
[21:19] <freebird> http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-create-animated-desktop-gui-ubuntu-linux-281591/
[21:21] <freebird> lol i like pidgin but empathy has stolen me away from pidgin :P
[21:21] <puppy> @freebird thank you
[21:21] <freebird> np puppy
[21:22] <puppy> Empathy is bothering me, i miss pidgin but im to lazy to reinstal it >.>
[21:22] <freebird> lol why is it bothering you
[21:22] <puppy> Idk, just not used to it
[21:23] <MorphixNW> sudo apt-get install pidgin
[21:23] <MorphixNW> easy
[21:23] <freebird> the only thing i don't like about it is it doesn't start when i reboot i want it in start up :P
[21:23] <stanley_> hi guys my panels disappeared, when I try to use the xfce4-panel command in terminal it returns a floating point exception
[21:24] <stanley_> please please help me
[21:24] <charlie-tca> !panel | stanley_
[21:24] <MorphixNW> puppy: sudo apt-get install pidgin
[21:25] <puppy> Thanks morph, i thought they had gotten read of it
[21:25] <freebird> metacity --replace
[21:26] <charlie-tca> stanley_: try the panel command using ALT+F2
[21:26] <MorphixNW> puppy: np. I prefer kmess but for some strange reason it run on this particular install
[21:26] <puppy> ill be back later,t hank you for the help. Im giong to be fiddl with this
[21:27] <MorphixNW> np
[21:27] <puppy> Ill talk to you later Morph and thanks for the info
[21:27] <freebird> ok take care puppy
[21:27] <freebird> stanley_ did you get it fixed
[21:28] <freebird> morphixNW can i add you as freind
[21:29] <MorphixNW> sure thing
[21:29] <MorphixNW> you got msn?
[21:29] <MorphixNW> pidgin etc lol
[21:30] <freebird> um yahoo facebook and msn
[21:30] <MorphixNW> add me to msn if you wish<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:31] <freebird> ok have to give me a sec got to setup empathy i hope i still remember my msn password :P
[21:32] <MorphixNW> hahaha
[21:33] <MorphixNW> is there a way of showing my machines specs? kinda like system props on Bindows?
[21:35] <puppy> why do you call it bindows? im back btw
[21:35] <MorphixNW> Cos its good for the Bin ;)
[21:36] <deddly> Can anyone help me with a crackling/popping audio problem?
[21:36] <puppy> hahahaha, i get it
[21:36] <stanley_> freebird nope did not work. panels just flash and dont actually stay up
[21:36] <knome> puppy, MorphixNW: #xubuntu-offtopic for offtopic discussion, please :)
[21:36] <MorphixNW> knome: eh?
[21:36] <knome> deddly, ask and people will most probably answer, if they know the answer
[21:36] <puppy> @dedly i had that issue it turned out to be my speakers, test the speakers
[21:36] <charlie-tca> stanley_: you need to restart. Can you switch to a tty using Ctrl+Alt+F2 ?
[21:36] <knome> MorphixNW, msn, bindows & &
[21:37] <MorphixNW> irs all relevant, after all we all does had a full blown ubuntu discussion
[21:37] <knome> MorphixNW, this is a *support* channel :)
[21:37] <puppy> Morph, lets just join that other chanel, i dont wana cause issues
[21:37] <MorphixNW> and thats what we are doing ;)
[21:38] <MorphixNW> nothing wrong with a bit of socialising as we do IMHO but if a small amount of chit chat isnt allowed then........
[21:38] <MorphixNW> Ill be there
[21:38] <MorphixNW> hate ELITEST
[21:39] <knome> MorphixNW, a word or few is okay, but since there seems to be users in need of support, i'd like to keep chitchat at minimum
[21:39] <MorphixNW> I thought we did, but heyho
[21:39] <deddly> OK here's the issue. When playing an mp3, the cound crackles irregularly. The same mp3 worked fine under DSL (Damn Small Linux). Fiddling with the sliders in Mixer alters the severity from occasional crackle to constant buzz, where the music can't be heard at all.
[21:39] <puppy> No fighting you two. we are here to help
[21:39] <MorphixNW> my last msg was a support question FFS
[21:39] <deddly> cound=sound
[21:40] <knome> deddly, hmm, how much ram do you have?
[21:40] <deddly> knome: 256 I think
[21:40] <puppy> What ubuntu are you running as well?
[21:40] <knome> deddly, have you looked at (h)top when playing mp3's?
[21:40] <deddly> puppy: Xubuntu 10.04 LTS
[21:40] <knome> MorphixNW, please remember this is a family friendly channel
[21:41] <knome> MorphixNW, anyway, see 'lshw' in terminal
[21:41] <deddly> knome: Uhm...sorry I don't understand that question
[21:41] <freebird> this may or not help you but sounds like a codec issue to me install gsteam codecs and reboot that should fix it if i'm correct
[21:41] <knome> deddly, have you looked if all your computers resources are in use when playing mp3?
[21:42] <freebird> gstream
[21:42] <knome> gstreamer it is :)
[21:42] <freebird> ty knome
[21:43] <MorphixNW> I wont comment or I will be banned, but yes your wish is my command
[21:43] <knome> charlie-tca, do you happen to know if PA could cause crackling/popping?
[21:43] <freebird> i hope that works other than that i have no clue
[21:43] <deddly> freebird: Thanks for the tip but codecs are already installed
[21:43] <charlie-tca> it's usually alsa
[21:43] <knome> charlie-tca, but he has 10.04 == PA
[21:43] <deddly> knome: Oh right, where do I see that?
[21:43] <charlie-tca> remove and reinstall alsa-utils, I think
[21:44] <knome> deddly, by running 'top' in terminal, or from applications -> system -> system monitor
[21:44] <freebird> deddly np that was all that i know that could cause it  it could be a memory resource issue also but i can't say for sure
[21:45] <freebird> morphixNW i added you to msn
[21:45] <knome> MorphixNW, just trying to help and keep the channel clear for support questions. nothing personal, really, and definitely no offense intended
[21:46] <freebird> stanley_ did you get your panel issue fixed
[21:46] <knome> deddly, if it's not a clear installation, you could maybe try reinstalling alsa-utils, as charlie-tca suggested
[21:46] <MorphixNW> knome: come chat in offtopic
[21:46] <deddly> knome: Hmm, it says all the memory is used up (pretty much) but that's just Ubuntu, right? I mean Ubuntu always takes the memory
[21:46] <stanley_> freebird
[21:47] <stanley_> nope, I restarted and I tried to run the panel command again
[21:47] <deddly> knome: It's a brand new installation
[21:47] <stanley_> no luck
[21:48] <charlie-tca> stanley_: what release of Xubuntu?
[21:49] <deddly> knome: looking down the list, CPU is maybe 11% in use (total) and 17% memory (total)
[21:49] <stanley_> 10.10 I tried running the command in a terminal and still have the same issue - panels flicker then just don't come back
[21:49] <knome> deddly, parallel to playing an mp3?
[21:49] <deddly> knome: Yes, playing as we speak
[21:50] <charlie-tca> Are you getting the same error message in terminal?
[21:50] <knome> deddly, okay, so shouldn't be a memory issue... did you try reinstalling alsa-utils?
[21:50] <deddly> knome: It's a brand new installation, even uninstalled and reinstalled the entire OS
[21:51] <freebird> deddly what all have you tried before you asked in irc chat
[21:51] <freebird> just curious
[21:52] <stanley_> charie-tca, freebird: still getting a floating point exception
[21:53] <freebird> stanley_ one min bro i'll look it up there is a bug in ubuntu that causes this might help its a easy fix when it happens 1 sec
[21:53] <knome> deddly, you could try uninstalling pulseaudio then. that works for some. try 'udo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio'
[21:53] <stanley_> yepp no probs thanks alot
[21:54] <knome> deddly, errm, 'sudo ...'
[21:54] <freebird> stanley_ what happens when you alt-f2 and run xfce4-panel
[21:54] <MorphixNW> does anyone know of any issues adding new buddies on pidgin?
[21:55] <knome> MorphixNW, not much else than msn servers not always working
[21:55] <freebird> um try to add me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:56] <stanley_> freebird: panels flicker and never actually stay
[21:56] <puppy> freebird, can i add you?
[21:56] <freebird> yeah pupply you can add me if you want
[21:56] <MorphixNW> off topic guys join #xubuntu-offtopic if you wanna share addresses etc ;)
[21:56] <MorphixNW> freebird: I will
[21:56] <knome> MorphixNW, ;]
[21:57] <freebird> stanley_ go to system - preferences - startup applications.
[21:57] <freebird> your xfce4 panel should be in there. if it isn't, add an option for it in there and untick the gnome panels one.
[21:58] <deddly_> Lagged out, sorry
[21:58] <deddly_> Last I saw on screen was: freebird: I have messed around with the sliders in Mixer, realising that they really affect the sound a lot . from an awful buzz/screech to a mild crackling in the background. Reinstalled Xubuntu, added some lines in etc/default/grub and removed them again...
[21:59] <stanley_> freebid: ok i'll let you know what happens
[21:59] <freebird> kk
[21:59] <deddly_> Do you think Open Sound System might help?
[22:01] <MorphixNW> oh wow cool, if you grab a window and shake it ;)
[22:01] <MorphixNW> like vista and 7, the other windows vanish
[22:01] <stanley_> freebird: gonna sound really silly here, I am using xubuntu meerkat and my panels are not int he startup list but I also don;t know what the command is to add it to the list
[22:02] <freebird> stanely_ me either  maybe kome does
[22:02] <charlie-tca> stanley_: the command for the panels is        xfce4-panel
[22:03] <charlie-tca> did you go through the wiki page and remove the old configuration files for panels?
[22:03] <deddly_> OK I have to go. THanks for the help though, bye
[22:04] <stanley_> charlie-tca gonna try it and see what happens
[22:20] <stanley_> hi freebird had to restart sorry
[22:21] <stanley_> still no panels after putting them in the startup list
[22:21] <knome> umm
[22:21] <knome> !panels
[22:21] <freebird> knome i hope you have some ideals i'm out of them lol
[22:21] <knome> erm, yeah
[22:21] <knome> stanley_, okay, do this:
[22:22] <knome> stanley_, run the panel (alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel)
[22:22] <knome> stanley_, then logout, on the logout screen select [x] save session for future logins
[22:22] <knome> stanley_, then log back in, and tell if you now have panels
[22:23] <stanley_> ok coolio
[22:24] <stanley_> freebird no panels, still just flicker than go away
[22:26] <knome> stanley_, i suppose it's some panel plugin not working then. did you add some new panel items into your panel?
[22:27] <stanley_> nope...I meam i've had the weather plugin going for a couple days
[22:28] <stanley_> is there a way to stop the plugins?
[22:28] <freebird> killall appname
[22:30] <stanley_> ok, I am not sure I know what the name/command of the weather plugin is, and I can't find out without the panel could one of you tell me?
[22:31] <freebird> knome ps is that the valid cmd to find processes
[22:32] <MorphixNW> probably, Bindows has one so
[22:32] <knome> ummh
[22:32] <knome> yeah, ps
[22:32] <knome> ps -U yourusername | grep weather
[22:34] <stanley_> tried to kill it but terminal said its not running
[22:35] <freebird> umm knome any ideals
[22:36] <freebird> i'm lost at this point
[22:36] <knome> stanley_, what did the ps command i gave say?
[22:40] <stanley_> sorry I did not do it
[22:40] <stanley_> one sec
[22:41] <stanley_> nothing it just returns a new line with nothing in it
[22:42] <knome> okay
[22:42] <knome> just a sec
[22:45] <knome> stanley_, what does 'ps -A | grep panel' say?
[22:46] <stanley_> same thing
[22:46] <knome> stanley_, so you added panel to your autostarted applicationS?
[22:46] <stanley_> yes I did
[22:47] <knome> stanley_, i'd say: remove it from that list, and try the method i suggested earlier again
[22:47] <stanley_> also the panel option under xfce settings doesn;t work
[22:47] <knome> (run panel, logout with session saving, login)
[22:47] <knome> hmm..
[22:48] <knome> yeah, that's not supposed to work if panel is not running
[22:48] <knome> brb
[22:48] <stanley_> ok
[22:49] <MorphixNW> did he get bored?
[22:49] <MorphixNW> bet he's getting out the Bindows CDS
[22:50] <MorphixNW> is it safe to remove software-centre?
[22:51] <knome> should be
[22:52] <MorphixNW> I am having trouble with a app not launching but no errors
[22:52] <knome> MorphixNW, did you start it from the terminal and see if it outputs anything there?
[22:54] <MorphixNW> knome: it states java not found, which I guess answers the Q lol
[22:54] <knome> mm-hmm
[22:56] <MorphixNW> knome: ty, good tip too
[22:56] <knome> no problem
[23:03] <MorphixNW> knome: how can I install java? apt cant find java, openjdk or icedtea
[23:04] <knome> MorphixNW, sudo apt-get install default-jre
[23:04] <MorphixNW> knome: that worked ty
[23:05] <knome> :)
[23:26] <freebird> sudo apt-get install wine
[23:27] <freebird> opps sorry wrong box
[23:38] <knome> :)