[09:13] <MohamedAlaa98> Hello ashams :D
[09:33] <seiflotfy> hi ashams
[09:33] <seiflotfy> hi MohamedAlaa98
[11:41] <MohamedAlaa98> Hello seiflotfy
[11:41] <MohamedAlaa98> sorry for late :)
[11:42] <MohamedAlaa98> hello cseslam :)
[11:44] <MohamedAlaa98> seiflotfy: sorry for late I didn't see the notification
[11:50] <MohamedAlaa98> looks like all you are busy here :-$
[11:51] <cseslam> hi Mohamed
[11:52] <MohamedAlaa98> hi cseslam
[11:53] <MohamedAlaa98> did you finish seiflotfy's vala codes?
[11:54] <seiflotfy> MohamedAlaa98: i built my code on top of it
[11:54] <seiflotfy> and will put it up for review
[11:54] <MohamedAlaa98> oh, nice
[11:55] <MohamedAlaa98> Good luck :)
[12:02] <cseslam> thelinuxer: shewaya kman w hwl3 f ubuntu :D
[12:03] <thelinuxer> cseslam: it has been proved to be a domestic hazardous product :D
[12:03] <thelinuxer> malak bas yabny ?
[12:03] <thelinuxer> maho ba2a kewayes aho ba3d el update
[12:19] <cseslam> elsot bisht3'l w yfsl lw7do :D
[12:19] <cseslam> fe 3la tool reports l crashes, bs mafesh 2odame ay crashes bt7sl
[12:20] <thelinuxer> did u try to upgrade ?
[12:20] <thelinuxer> also mawdoo3 el crashes dah check el details beta3et el crash
[12:21] <seiflotfy> cseslam: i had that too :d
[12:21] <thelinuxer> hi seiflotfy :)
[12:21] <seiflotfy> anyhow thelinuxer cseslam made a contirbution to zeitgeist that i am building on top of
[12:21] <thelinuxer> cool :)
[12:21] <seiflotfy> and it will land in gnome and ubuntu
[12:22] <seiflotfy> he ported my python logger to vala
[12:22] <seiflotfy> :d
[12:22] <thelinuxer> yeah told me about that script
[12:22] <seiflotfy> now i am making it part of the zeitgeist-dahub process
[12:22] <thelinuxer> what is that ?
[12:23] <seiflotfy> well basically its some kind of passive logger (that monitors gtk and kde recent managers) and pushes events into zeitgeist-engine
[12:23] <seiflotfy> now we added a telepathy-observer (for chats)
[12:24] <thelinuxer> eshta cool
[12:25] <seiflotfy> but ubuntu was torutring me today
[12:25] <seiflotfy> due to some weird gtk patches
[12:26] <seiflotfy> the amount of gtk patches they have that are not insync with upstream is critical
[13:04] <thelinuxer> seiflotfy: things take time to get upstream ..
[13:04] <seiflotfy> i dont think those will ever be accepted upstream really
[13:05] <seiflotfy> and its been like that for a while
[13:05] <thelinuxer> r they that bad ?
[13:05] <seiflotfy> well the scrollbar for example
[13:05] <seiflotfy> its an ubuntu hack and not generic for all
[13:05] <seiflotfy> i mean this is open source
[13:05] <seiflotfy> and i like it
[13:05] <seiflotfy> but it just make it a pain for me to develop upstream stuff
[13:21] <seiflotfy> cseslam: http://fpaste.org/QbaG/
[13:22] <cseslam> great job man
[13:23] <cseslam> but i have one question, why vala ? most of people now prefer it over python
[13:23] <seiflotfy> vala generates C code that is then compiled
[13:23] <seiflotfy> it makes it faster than python
[13:23] <seiflotfy> also python has a terrible startup time and is not supported on mobile environments
[13:23] <seiflotfy> whereareas vala u can always use the produced C code
[13:24] <cseslam> i see
[13:24] <seiflotfy> so it is basically translating your C# like code to C
[13:24] <seiflotfy> python is good for apps
[13:25] <seiflotfy> but for services that run the whole time you should go with C/C++ since the memory consumption is much more less
[13:25] <cseslam> Elementary members use vala for their apps
[13:25] <seiflotfy> cseslam: yes i know
[13:25] <cseslam> then i will keep using python for my apps
[13:25] <seiflotfy> I know the elementary team personally (we meet at conferences)
[13:25] <cseslam> lucky you
[13:25] <seiflotfy> cseslam: i advise you to use python in apps
[13:25] <seiflotfy> it is simple
[13:25] <seiflotfy> and allows easy contributions
[13:26] <cseslam> yep python ease the job
[14:14] <cseslam> seiflotfy: is this anyway near what you want ? http://youtu.be/kEs6qSo727E
[14:59] <seiflotfy> cseslam: perfect
[14:59] <seiflotfy> continue please
[14:59] <seiflotfy> :d
[14:59] <seiflotfy> cseslam: u rock
[14:59] <cseslam> seiflotfy; thank you
[15:00] <cseslam> i still have to understand the time lib
[15:00] <cseslam> and how to use it


[13:11] <bac> danilos, gmb: would you mind doing our call early...nowish?
[13:11] <danilos> bac, I am fine with it
[13:11] <bac> gmb may be lunching i guess
[13:12] <gmb> I'm here.
[13:12] <gmb> Let me get skype going...
[13:12] <danilos> mere mention of food brings gmb up :P
[16:28]  * danilos -> out, enjoy the weekend all


 Blog Post: Ready. Release Notes: Ready.
[00:20] <Eickmeyer> If anybody would like to give the release notes a once-over: If anybody would like to give the release notes a once
[00:20] <Eickmeyer> -_-
[00:20] <Eickmeyer> Let's try that again.
[00:20] <Eickmeyer> If anybody would like to give the release notes a once-over: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[00:20] <Eickmeyer> teward: Any chance I can get a sync of obs-studio from Debian?
[00:21] <teward> `requestsync`
[00:21] <teward> use that to make the bug :P
[00:21] <teward> gotta go through sync requests first :)
[00:21] <teward> is obs-studio seeded anywhere?
[00:21] <Eickmeyer> Gotcha. It's seeded in Studio.
[00:22] <Eickmeyer> Somehow Debian got the latest release first. -_-
[00:22] <Eickmeyer> As flavor lead I can do my part to approve it.
[00:22] <Eickmeyer> Can happen post-Beta though.
[00:24] <Eickmeyer> teward: bug 1870248
[00:24] <Eickmeyer> Subscribed you. :)
 @eickmeyer two things. 1) do you want to add mypaint to "main packages" version list? not a trivial question just want to make sure that it is a decision and not forgotten. :)
 does the installer issue mean people who want to use the installer to for example install KDE then Ubuntu Studio on top should not do that?
 let me know
 @azbulutlu 1) Not a bad idea, and 2) That's the Ubiquity installer, not ubuntustudio-installer.
 ah ok
 it might be worth clarifying that installs on top of another flavor are not affected by this. if I am confused while skimming other people might be too :)
 other than that this looks good. Ill give a read tomorrow when it is not 4am local time through
[00:57] <OvenWerks> US-installer kind of side steps the problem by only installing whole metas, not partial
 I just threw a parenthetical in there to clarify that.
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: For some reason, even unselecting a whole meta is causing the issue in Ubiquity.
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> As far as I know, the Foundations team is still working on it.
 oh fun...
 I assume theyll fix that before releasing through
 that is not a minor bug
 They better or I'm going to have someone beat them with a very pointy and heavy club.
[01:00] <OvenWerks> kind of like the partition size change when the user asks for no change....
 usually releases dont go with that bad bugs. they get delayed
 and ovenwerks it is mostly a case of being non-technical user friendly. (also hi. and I hope all is well)
 It was discovered in 19.10 after release. This kind of bug going into an LTS would be unforgivable.
 :)
 oww
 I'm going to start bugging them about it daily until final starting tomorrow.
 well it would be not ok either way. I assume the only reason it went through is because nobody noticed in time. release definitely got delayed in past for buga like that
 bugs.
 I wouldnt worry too much tbh
 Well, the problem was discovered in November. There was a related bug that was fixed, so it might be that, but I have yet to test.
 ah ok
[01:34] <teward> i'll do the sync Eickmeyer but if they bitch/moan about it i'm saying you asked me to.
[01:34] <teward> and i'll blame you :P
[01:35] <Eickmeyer> teward: Ok, that's fine. It's a seeded package in the flavor I lead so...
[01:35] <Eickmeyer> Besides, they still need to work on a major bug (1851346), of course that's Foundations, but there's a lot of overlap.
[01:40] <Eickmeyer> teward: If you didn't, they'd never get around to it. They never even looked at the same request I made last cycle for the same package.
[01:41] <teward> see vorlon's notice in -release
[01:41] <teward> like right now
[01:41] <Eickmeyer> I'm there.
[02:44] <Eickmeyer> teward: That reminds me, obs-studio should probably be in the packageset. :P
[02:50]  * Eickmeyer[m] uploaded an image: image.png (25KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VGvUpZbSRrIVUeoRXWGTlsEh >
[02:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> I just had the most useless error ever:
[03:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Shroedinger's Crash
[04:21] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu thank you we are fine. My wife is a healthcare worker (nurse) so we are being extra careful.   As for the packageset, email that to devel-permissions asking it to be added to the packageset
[13:21] <Eickmeyer> teward: I would if I had the packageset. Doesn't make much sense for me to do that until I do.
[13:21] <teward> you're package lead ;)
[13:21] <teward> s/package/flavor/
[13:22] <teward> but ok
[13:22] <Eickmeyer> I agree, but it seems silly, but idk.
[13:22] <teward> but it's not high on my list atm
[13:22] <teward> i've got a dozen other things i'm *paid* to do to work on first :)
[13:23] <Eickmeyer> Not high on my list either. I want this Ubiquity bug fixed first, but considering juliank considers it a low priortiy despite it breaking people's installations, I'm a little irked.
[13:23] <Eickmeyer> It's been reported since November.
[13:47] <RikMills> LP: #1870353
 RikMills: I'll add a dep on it for python3-distutils which should fix that
 do me a favor and test that - `sudo apt install python3-distutils`
 if it works I'll push that fix shortly
[13:50] <RikMills> it does fix it here
[13:52] <RikMills> you already have that on your dvd for something, but any other flavour does not
 yep but this is a bugfix so
 i'll get this pushed in in literally a few minutes
[13:56] <RikMills> thanks. I would have if you did not :P
 @RikMills actually feel free to upload
 my system's being borken
[13:56] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: mypaint was removed since it could not be installed with gimp. Since that bug was fixed, the package was naturally re-added. I believe it's part of the packageset.
[13:57] <Eickmeyer> to the seed.
[13:57] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: then fix and upload if YOU like
[13:57] <RikMills> as long as someone does. LOL
[13:57] <Eickmeyer> I don't have packageset.
[13:57] <RikMills> wut?
 Eickmeyer hasn't been granted packageset yet
[13:57] <RikMills> ok
 becuase he hasn't filed his application yet :)
 hence why he pings you or me :)
[13:58] <Eickmeyer> These things take time. :(
 (I don't need the packageset rights - coredev gives me upload heh)
 truth
[13:58] <RikMills> I thought that was for things that had not been added yet. I know I used to have trouble getting the Kubuntu set updated
[13:58] <RikMills> oh well, would do
[13:59]  * RikMills thinks when he has the sets, he should do MOTU
 RikMills: Core Dev gives me upload rights to the entire repository in all pockets
 i do a bunch of drive-by fixes in the various pockets so Core Dev gives me that rights.  As well as NEW uploads :)
 but meh
 *yawns* time to reup my coffee supply
 *goes to make more*
[14:01] <RikMills> why are you telling me that? I know
[14:02] <studiobot> * teward001 yawns
 E:CAFFEINENOTAVAILABLE
 :P
[14:02] <RikMills> I meant <Eickmeyer> should do MOTU next ;)
[14:04] <RikMills> I know you have core-dev. I lurked in your meeting :P
 ah :)
[14:07] <RikMills> damn. source package will not build on this machine either
 you may have to install the build-deps
 hence my rebuilding my Focal env
 (which is in a container)
[14:09] <RikMills> I need to do that, but I also have not yet :/
[14:45] <RikMills> uploaded
[14:48] <RikMills> that was a lot of messing about for a small fix!
 yeah tell me about it
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> RikMills, @teward: Just got caught-up, apparentlly I need to be part of Bug Control, so I was applying for that. smh
[15:33] <Eickmeyer> Apparently my inability to assign bug importance was what caused that Ubiquity bug to go ignored for so long.


[00:19] <Will123456> is the dash -> hud application icon switching animation gone?
[00:19] <Will123456> in 5.10 that is
[09:26] <malin> davidcalle: I tried to do a sudo chmod +x  on my buss lense, but it dosen't autostart yet
[09:29] <davidcalle> malin, is the daemon path in your .service file correct ?
[09:36] <malin> davidcalle: I think it is, but I can doublecheck
[09:37] <malin> davidcalle: yes, it is correct
[09:37] <davidcalle> malin, /usr/lib/unity-lens-buss/buss ?
[09:37] <malin> yes
[09:37] <malin> and buss is placed in /usr/lib/unity-lens-buss/
[09:37] <malin> I double checked it
[09:37] <davidcalle> Ok
[09:38] <Guest98059> Hi guys, can you tell me, how can i install unity in ubuntu 11.04 ?
[09:38] <davidcalle> malin, so, when you start your session, you can see the lens in the Dash, but it's not running, right?
[09:39] <davidcalle> Guest98059, Unity is already installed in 11.04, if you have removed it, you can install it again via the software center.
[09:39] <malin> that's right
[09:39] <davidcalle> malin, that's odd :)
[09:39] <malin> davidcalle: I know
[09:39] <malin> or indeed is maybe a better way to say it :) hehe
[09:39] <davidcalle> malin, if you do /usr/lib/unity-lens-buss/buss in a terminal, does your lens work?
[09:40] <Guest98059> davidcalle, can I do it by konsole ? for example sudo apt-get install unity ?
[09:40] <Guest98059> or smth similar ?
[09:40] <davidcalle> Guest98059, absolutely.
[09:40] <malin> yes, then it works
[09:40] <Guest98059> ok, thanks alot
[09:40] <davidcalle> Guest98059, yw
[09:41] <Guest98059> Do I have to turn it on somehow alter or will i be able to simply choose it when the system starts
[09:41] <Guest98059> ?
[09:41] <malin> Guest98059: if you use apt-cache search <packagename> you will figure out if the package is available and what the name is
[09:41] <malin> apt-get show <package-name> and you get info about what the package is, and so on :)
[09:42] <malin> Guest98059: when you log in you just change session
[09:42] <davidcalle> Guest98059, you will be able to choose it befor eyou log in.
[09:42] <Guest98059> ook, thanks a lot
[09:43] <davidcalle> malin, you should log out, log in, and do a search in your lens. Even if it's not working, do a "ps aux | grep buss" to see if it's running but broken for some reason.
[09:44] <davidcalle> malin, do a search before you check, because lenses are only started if they are open at least once during the session.
[09:45] <malin> i had my computer shut down to night
[09:45] <malin> but I could do that
[09:46] <malin> but I can try to log out, and in again
[09:52] <malin> davidcalle: the ps aux | grep buss gives me this
[09:52] <malin> malin    10546  0.0  0.0  10612   928 pts/2    S+   11:52   0:00 grep --color=auto buss
[09:52] <davidcalle> malin, ok, so it's really not running.
[09:53] <malin> ok
[09:53] <davidcalle> malin, is the dbus name in the .service file the same as in your daemon and .lens file?
[09:54]  * davidcalle is back in 10 min. Coffee crave.
[10:00] <malin> davidcalle: I will check
[10:04] <malin> davidcalle: here is a pastebin: http://pastebin.com/djc37ysT
[10:07] <davidcalle> malin, ok, looking at it
[10:07] <malin> thanx
[10:28] <davidcalle> malin, found it!
[10:28] <davidcalle> main, second line of your .service file. It should be "Name", not "name".
[10:31] <malin> aha :)
[10:32] <malin> thanx
[10:32] <malin> I will try
[10:32] <malin> then I will try to log out and in again :)
[10:34] <malin> davidcalle: thanx. That fixed it all :)
[10:34] <davidcalle> malin, :)
[10:35] <malin> the only thing worth fixing after a while is the fact it starts to search before I have finished the last search-word, giving me first an answer of illegal search-string
[10:35] <malin> I think That is something I will work on later
[10:36] <malin> maybe if it won't search unless there is at least 3 spaces, but not optimal :) so a long list of valid search names is the only solution, but requires me to make a list.
[10:36] <malin> anyway
[10:36] <malin> thank you very much davidcalle  :)
[10:37] <davidcalle> malin, yw :)
[10:39] <malin> yw is short for?
[10:40] <didrocks> malin: "you're welcome"
[10:43] <malin> awh. thanx :)
[11:22] <seb128> Trevinho, could you look at bug #982200? do you think it's a duplicate of the other issue you are tracking?
[11:22] <seb128> it's a bit similar but restarting the application resolve it in this case so it might be different
[11:25] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, it's a different thing... I think that this can be solved only touching unity
[11:25] <seb128> ok
[11:26] <seb128> Trevinho, so I don't close it as duplicate, in any case low priority issues, it's not like unpinning stuff while they start is a frequent user scenario ;-)
[11:26] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[11:27] <Trevinho> seb128: no worry, if I see there's something in common (code-side), I'll update the bug ;)
[11:29] <nik90> seb128, Trevinho, thnx guys...the user should be happy to know :)
[13:54] <Moonlight_Ghost> Good afternoon. Guys, can I ask a question about Unity?
[13:57] <Moonlight_Ghost> in ubuntu 11.10 Dash button is shifted to the side panel. Will there be a version of Unity with the former location of Dash?
[14:06] <kklimonda> no
[14:07] <Moonlight_Ghost> Thank you. bye
[14:15]  * mhall119 loves when questions have simple answers
[16:31] <mfisch> davidcalle: do you know why the calculator scope made me install the cities scope?
[16:32] <mfisch> davidcalle: I don't see a direct depends anywhere
[16:32] <davidcalle> mfisch, the calculator scope depends on the utilities lens, the utilities lens recommends the cities scope and recommends are installed by default.
[16:33] <mfisch> davidcalle: thanks, I've been doing too many projects with recommends turned off to remember that ;)
[16:33] <davidcalle> mfisch, that's not optimal, but at least, you can remove specific scopes you don't want.
[16:34] <davidcalle> mfisch, for the record, scopes recommend scopes because this way, the Software Center recommends them as "add-ons" when you look at a lens page.
[16:34] <davidcalle> scopes recommnd lenses*
[16:34] <davidcalle> no... Lenses recomment scopes. Sorry, end of day :)
[18:35] <mhall119> chrisccoulson: what's the status of getting overlay scrollbars in Firefox and Mozilla?
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> mhall119, i plan to have another look next cycle
[18:50] <mhall119> chrisccoulson: thanks, could you keep me updated when you do?  They're on my list of upstreams that I'm tracking for better Unity integration
[18:53] <chrisccoulson> mhall119, i guess it's pretty difficult for them to support any unity integration when we can't maintain stable ABI's ;)
[18:54] <chrisccoulson> eg, each of the last 3 ubuntu releases has a different libunity ABI
[18:54] <chrisccoulson> that's a nightmare for any ISV to support
[18:55] <mhall119> chrisccoulson: but libunity doesn't affect the scrollbar integration
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> mhall119, right. that was just one example. we're pretty bad across the board at not breaking ABI ;)
[18:56] <mhall119> stable ABIs are boring :)
[19:09] <mfisch> mhall119: the final argument to model.append() in a scope is "DND URI".  yet when I put my URL in there, I get a crazy result when I drag and drop it
[19:09] <mfisch> mhall119: can a normal URI go there?  like http://foo.com?
[19:12] <mhall119> mhr3: ^^ can you answer that for mfisch, because I really don't know
[19:12] <Will123456> chrisccoulson, mhall119 so that means adding overlay scrollbars to firefox would somehow make use of existing code? instead of just being a behaviourally and graphically identical rewrite for XUL?
[19:13] <mfisch> mhall119: actually it works fine in Chrome and weird in FF
[19:15] <Will123456> i wonder if the maximised dash blur jumping will get fixed in time
[19:22] <mhr3> mfisch, so what are you putting there
[19:22] <mhr3> ?
[19:25] <mfisch> mhr3: just a URL, it's working fine when I drop in chrome, FF gave me some weird error before that I cannot repro.
[19:25] <mfisch> mhr3: I dont know why you'd drag and drop out of my scope anyway, but I though I'd try it
[19:26] <mhr3> well afaict it should be working fine :)
[19:27] <mhr3> if firefox decides to screw it up a bug should be opened ;)
[20:06] <mhall119> Teester: hey, jcastro wanted me to touch base with you about the AskUbuntu lens, he said you made a fix for it for Precise, does that mean it's working now, or is there more to do?
[20:14] <mfisch> mhr3: thx
[22:57] <panset> Hi are there any devs using utouch stack on Arch Linux?
[22:59] <panset> I have a doubt, is unity utouch needed for recognising two touches in 3.3.x kernel?
[23:02] <panset> Also are there anyone here using utouch (even in ubuntu) on Asus EP121 tablet?
[23:15] <bdrung> Cimi: hi. do you have tomorrow time to help me debugging bug #955376 and #981289?