[12:58] <Grey_Loki> Anyone here got a few moments to interpret a wine launch log?
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> Trying to get an application to install, with no success. winecfg seems to be borked, too.
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13365/ <The log.
[01:10] <looping2> Grey_Loki: hello.
[01:10] <looping2> Grey_Loki: I maybe have something for you
[01:10] <Grey_Loki> looping2, it would be absolutely spiffing if you did.
[01:12] <looping2> http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html I used the script provided there and managed to install an app that wouldn't have launched before.
[01:13] <looping2> give it a try and report. :)
[01:13] <Grey_Loki> It works on .9.22?
[01:15] <looping2> cyto@zombie:~$ wine --version
[01:15] <looping2> wine-0.9.33
[01:15] <Grey_Loki> looping2, i'm not sure it would work at all.
[01:15] <looping2> it works for me.
[01:15] <Grey_Loki> I've tried using wine to launch an app I know works, and it didn't go
[01:15] <looping2> oh.
[01:15] <looping2> therefore, I can't help you
[01:16] <looping2> does your app launches and then freezes wine or something like that?
[01:17] <Grey_Loki> No, it doesn't seem to run at all
[01:17] <Grey_Loki> I mean, not even winecfg launches - it just kinda looks like it's gonna load the dialog box, and doesn't.
[01:18] <looping2> are you trying to install your app or just run it?
[01:19] <Grey_Loki> looping2, well, since nothing seems to run or install, both
[01:20] <Grey_Loki> This particular app, i'm trying to install, but the app I used to test, i'm trying to get it to run.
[01:23] <looping2> you should try the link I gave you. If it doesn't work, just delete the wine conf file and restore the old one (the script saves a backup of your configuration file)
[01:24] <Grey_Loki> Hmm. Just tried launching winecfg again, got some disk activity like it launched, and ps aux | grep wine shows winecfg.exe running.
[01:26] <looping2> was exactly the same for me before.
[01:26] <Grey_Loki> Hrm. Somewhat bizarrely, the winecfg dialog box has just popped up :S
[01:30] <Grey_Loki> Righto. Running that tool now - configuration only.
[01:32] <Grey_Loki> looping2, it's creating the shortcuts, and throwing out a lot of libGL warnings.
[01:43] <Grey_Loki> looping2, the configuration seems to have frozen.
[01:45] <Grey_Loki> Alright, maybe it hadn't, then.
[03:16] <Jester45> Hello
[03:18] <kalikiana_> hi Jester45 :)
[03:38] <sigmamu188> lol
[03:38] <sigmamu188> oops
[03:44] <Jester45> you done with that?
[03:58] <sigmamu188> me?
[04:01] <crimsun> yes.
[04:18] <Jester45> anyone here
[06:15] <nonuda> i'm reconfiguring xserver on my old cpu, its hp vectra vl series 4, what vga card driver should i choose? can't find the spec of it in hp website..
[06:26] <crdlb> nonuda, run: lspci|grep VGA
[06:33] <nonuda> it said s3 inc. 86c764/765 (trio32/64/64 V+)
[06:33] <crdlb> nonuda, then use "savage" iirc
[06:33] <nonuda> btw, i have choose s3 drive in reconfiguring x, but when i start x it said "s3(0): no valid modes found"
[06:34] <nonuda> ah..ok..i use savage now..brb
[06:35] <nonuda> i have choose savage, but x said "no device detected"
[06:38] <nonuda> crdlb??
[06:39] <crdlb> nonuda, sorry I don't have any experience with that card
[06:39] <nonuda> ah..ok
[08:39] <nonuda> how do i setup my resolution? i see only default in display setting
[08:40] <nonuda> in xfce desktop, how do i configurate my display?
[08:48] <nonuda> tes
[09:10] <gsuveg> re
[09:11] <gsuveg> networkmanager how works under feisty ?
[09:31] <VonFluffy> dude xubuntu is kool!
[09:34] <nonuda_> in desktop setting, i can't see others resolution setting, i see only default, why? and i believe the default resolution is 480x640, i want to change it into 800x600
[09:39] <VonFluffy> nonuda_: what screen you got mate
[09:41] <nonuda_> old monitor, samsung samtron 14"
[09:45] <nonuda_> btw, when i turn it on or rebooted, the splash screen looks horrible, it look like that on boot xubuntu use the high resoultion that samsung samtron can't hold
[09:46] <VonFluffy> ok what you can do is edit the xorg.conf to default to 800x600
[09:46] <VonFluffy> post it on pastebin.ca and show me and ill tell you how to edit if you want help
[09:47] <nonuda_> ok..wait..its on another computer which have no internet connection
[09:48] <nonuda_> what is the command for opening xorg.conf so i can edit and save it?
[09:48] <nonuda_> sudo nano?
[09:49] <VonFluffy> yeah nano or vi
[09:50] <nonuda_> ok..i have open it, and it seems already 800x600, damn it still so big
[09:51] <nonuda_> but the monitor section it said generic monitor
[10:00] <nonuda_> how do i explore my system? can't find konquror or file manager,
[10:04] <nonuda_> damn its hard, not easy like gnome or kde, hmmm
[10:04] <VonFluffy> thunar
[10:04] <nonuda_> thunar?
[10:04] <VonFluffy> thats the file manager
[10:04] <VonFluffy> its better than gnome's nautilus
[10:04] <nonuda_> oh i see, ok try to find it
[10:05] <VonFluffy> alt + f2  type thunar and press enter
[10:05] <nonuda_> aha i found it, thunar file manager
[10:05] <nonuda_> ok thanks..
[10:06] <nonuda_> ok, does xubuntu already has smb isntalled?
[10:07] <VonFluffy> no
[10:07] <VonFluffy> unfortunately thunar has no smb support
[10:07] <VonFluffy> so have to access usign 3rd party tool or xffm if you have it
[10:08] <nonuda_> oh i see, not like kongueror..xffm? ok
[10:09] <nonuda_> can i create a map network drive under windows networking without smb?
[10:09] <TheSheep> nonuda_: no, but you can mount a samba network drive on your linux using fusesmb
[10:10] <TheSheep> nonuda_: there is a howto in the forums
[10:11] <nonuda_> ok..thanks guys
[12:28] <Grey_Loki> Any wine experts around?
[12:48] <magic_ninja> whats up
[12:48] <magic_ninja> no
[12:48] <magic_ninja> try #winehq
[12:49] <magic_ninja> but
[12:49] <magic_ninja> we can try to help u
[12:49] <Shafto> Does xubuntu use the same package management as standard ubuntu?
[12:50] <Grey_Loki> Shafto, yep
[12:51] <Grey_Loki> magic_ninja, i've been in conversation in #winehq - if they can't help, i'll ask again here :D
[12:51] <Shafto> Grey_Loki: Can you simply change from running gnome to xfce?
[12:51] <magic_ninja> Shafto: yes
[12:51] <Shafto> magic_ninja: Talk me through it? :)
[12:51] <Grey_Loki> sudo apt-get install xfce
[12:51] <magic_ninja> Shafto: sudo apt-get install xfce
[12:51] <Shafto> Grey_Loki: Ahh fair do :)
[12:51] <Grey_Loki> ;)
[12:51] <Grey_Loki> Then when you log in from the graphical prompt, change your default session from Gnome to XFCE.
[12:52] <Shafto> Couldnt find package :(, Probably cause im on fesity :(
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> !xfce
[12:53] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> Aha, there we go :P
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:54] <Shafto> Wil it keep all my files etc?
[12:54] <Shafto> :D
[12:54] <Shafto> Then is there a way i can get rid of gnome? sudo apt-get remove gnome or sommit?
[12:55] <Shafto> Does Beryl run okay with XFCE?
[12:56] <Grey_Loki> Shafto, yes to the files question, yes to the gnome question. It might be ubuntu-desktop, though - search the forums, I think there's a thread there.
[12:56] <Grey_Loki> And I don't know about Beryl, but i'd guess not, since it's still in Alpha.
[12:56] <Shafto> Ill stay on gnome then lol, i cant live without beryl
[12:57] <Grey_Loki> Really?
[12:57] <Grey_Loki> Hrm, nevermind :P
[01:55] <esculapius> hi I have a problem
[01:55] <esculapius> with the monitor
[01:56] <kalikiana_> !ask
[01:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:56] <esculapius> at the beginning my lcd was black  untill the login appeared
[01:56] <esculapius> so that i wrote to the terminal
[01:57] <esculapius> modifying xserver-xorg
[01:57] <esculapius> and now it doesn't work anything more
[01:57] <esculapius> how can I come back to the previous configuration
[01:58] <esculapius> actually I am using another pc
[01:58] <esculapius> and the one with xubuntu is in safe mode
[01:58] <Grey_Loki> I think there's a dpkg command that reconfigures X - something like (duh) dpkg reconfigure xorg
[01:58] <Grey_Loki> Just a sec, i'll get it
[01:58] <Grey_Loki> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:59] <esculapius> it is just what I did before the mess
[01:59] <Grey_Loki> Hrm
[01:59] <esculapius> probably i'm wrong in some passage
[01:59] <esculapius> because I don't know exactly what to choose in each passage
[01:59] <esculapius> can we do it togheter
[02:00] <Grey_Loki> I'm afraid not - i'm just going AFK for a few hours. If you hang around here, i'm sure someone will chip in and help you out.
[02:00] <esculapius> could you suggest anyone?
[02:01] <esculapius> there is not anyone skilled with this?
[02:01] <Grey_Loki> They'll just say something if they can help.
[02:01] <esculapius> anyone can help me?
[02:12] <Ind[y] > What are the bad points of enabling Universe?
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[02:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !paste
[02:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:15] <totalwormage> i think it's silly that that pastebin message is almost longer then my 'flood'
[03:52] <hyper_ch> HIHO
[03:54] <Grey_Loki> How can I find out the version of my graphics card's drivers?
[03:55] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[03:55] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: if you use nvidia
[03:55] <Grey_Loki> I'm using an Intel Extreme Graphics 2 chipset.
[03:56] <Grey_Loki> I'm not entirely certain as to which model - the website i'm looking at doesn't seem to say.
[03:56] <Grey_Loki> http://support.packardbell.com/uk/item/index.php?i=spec_video_IntelExtremeGraphics2&ppn=PB16M01001 Seems to be either an 855GM, or and 852GM.
[03:56] <TheSheep> apt-cache policy  xserver-xorg-video-i810
[03:57] <phix> xubuntu is craping out on me :(
[03:57] <phix> the panel just died, when I choose to shutdown or restart system I am dropped back to GDM instead
[03:57] <Grey_Loki> TheSheep, sorry to be dense, but what does that command do?
[03:58] <phix> is the new xubuntu out yet
[03:58] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: displays you the version of your graphics card drivers
[03:58] <TheSheep> !schedule | phix
[03:58] <ubotu> phix: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:58] <phix> also, I am getting crap speeds from xubuntu mirror, where can I get alternate mirrors from'/?
[03:58] <phix> thnx
[03:59] <Grey_Loki> TheSheep, xserver-xorg-video-i810:  Installed: 1:1.6.5-0ubuntu3 means i'm running graphics card version 1.6.5?
[03:59] <Grey_Loki> Erm - *graphics card drivers version
[03:59] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: no, it means you're running drivers version 1.6.5
[03:59] <TheSheep> yes
[03:59] <Grey_Loki> Righto - thanks :D
[04:00] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: note that linux drivers have their own numbering, differnet from the official windows drivers
[04:00] <Grey_Loki> Since apt-get update/upgrade doesn't find anything, i'm guessing 1.6.5 is the latest version? Where would I find out? Synaptic, somewhere?
[04:00] <Grey_Loki> TheSheep, I see.
[04:16] <Grey_Loki> !paste
[04:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:23] <Grey_Loki> Arghle. Is there anything obvious in a Xubuntu laptop that could cause wine (a fresh installation) to not work?
[04:24] <Grey_Loki> As in, winecfg can't even create /home/user/.wine
[04:44] <j1mc> join #ubuntu-marketing
[04:44] <j1mc> hehehe
[04:45] <j1mc> i sometimes forget the slash . . . :-)
[04:48] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: what does syslog say?
[04:49] <Grey_Loki> hyper_ch, I have no idea :S
[04:49] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: how about checking?
[04:49] <Grey_Loki> Would you like me to pastebin the entire thing?
[04:50] <Grey_Loki> I did check it, but I can't interpret what it means, for the most part.
[04:50] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: no, no the whole thing
[04:50] <hyper_ch> the last few lines... start winecfg again
[04:50] <hyper_ch> then do   sudo tail -n100 /etc/logs/syslog > output.txt
[04:51] <hyper_ch> sorry,   /var/log/syslog
[04:56] <Grey_Loki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13687/
[04:56] <Grey_Loki> But since you're gone, I guess it doesn't matter.
[05:05] <Grey_Loki> hyper_ch, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13687/
[05:06] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: can't help you.... j1mc: you have an idea?
[05:07] <Grey_Loki> hyper_ch, thanks anyways :)
[05:13] <grazie> Grey_Loki: i think you're going to have to get a solution on the #winehq channel or by searching
[05:13] <Grey_Loki> grazie, #winehq's solution was something to the tune of 'your system is screwy' :P
[05:14] <Grey_Loki> What would you search for? I don't get any error messages to google, and the symptom is a bit vague.
[05:14] <grazie> Grey_Loki: would a re-install be so bad?
[05:15] <Grey_Loki> grazie, do you mean of wine, or of my entire system?
[05:16] <grazie> Grey_Loki: the whole system
[05:16] <Grey_Loki> I'm keeping it as an extreme last resort - it'd be a real PITA to do at the moment, because I don't even have anywhere to store my /home folder's data.
[05:18] <grazie> Grey_Loki: maybe a lesson in the value of somewhere to backup? I'd guess it would take a lot less time than trying to fix this problem
[05:19] <Grey_Loki> grazie, i'm currently out and about visiting family with nowt but this laptop, and a complete system reinstall seems a bit drastic for what could quite possibly be a very simple problem.
[05:41] <gsuveg> networkmanager how works under feisty ?
[06:08] <ar3ac> hi there
[06:09] <ar3ac> is it planned to build a hwdb-client for xubuntu ?
[07:56] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[07:59] <aussieman_> hi xubutus should i intasll the xubuntu feisty or edgy on a hp nx7300 laptop?
[07:59] <spasticteapot> Hmm...
[07:59] <spasticteapot> I'd go with Feisty - worked well for me.
[07:59] <aussieman_> no probs with the wifi?
[07:59] <Mgccl> hello, I'm installing xububtu now, I don't know what to do in the mount point
[08:00] <spasticteapot> None at all.
[08:00] <aussieman_> well i might try it then
[08:00] <aussieman_> ive done an ubyuntu fiesty install and added xubuntu and kubtubu and the wifi wont get going
[08:00] <spasticteapot> Mgccl: If you're confused, re-size your partition and leave some free space, then go back and select "use largest continuous free space".
[08:00] <aussieman_> ive been playing all day
[08:00] <spasticteapot> aussieman_: Huh.
[08:00] <spasticteapot> Xubuntu you can't add - it's a seperate distro.
[08:00] <spasticteapot> You mean XFCE.
[08:01] <aussieman_> i added xubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <spasticteapot> I've actually been using iwconfig (console tex-tbased wifi configuration) instead of a GUI.
[08:01] <aussieman_> yes so have i
[08:01] <spasticteapot> Nothing worked under Edgy, so I learned the CLI.
[08:01] <Mgccl> no, I already got a ext3 partition and I'm manually setting the partitions, I just want to know what is swap space so I know where should I put it
[08:01] <aussieman_> ok well if nothing worked with edgyb ill try fesity
[08:02] <aussieman_> so the xubuntu distro is significantly different to the ubuntu normal with xfce?
[08:02] <spasticteapot> A bit. Different programs come with it.
[08:03] <spasticteapot> I'd just try installing Xubuntu, and see how that works.
[08:03] <spasticteapot> Also, go into "Network" under the System tab in the Applications launcher.
[08:03] <aussieman_> ok no worries
[08:03] <spasticteapot> Then, enter the assorted info.
[08:03] <aussieman_> ok
[08:03] <aussieman_> thanks
[08:04] <spasticteapot> Or use iwconfig, which I like better.
[08:04] <aussieman_> ill stay tuned here in the future
[08:04] <spasticteapot> What wireless card do you have?
[08:04] <aussieman_> broadcom
[08:04] <aussieman_> i loaded the firmware ok
[08:05] <aussieman_> Install fwcutter in synaptic Result: prompted to download firmware for bcm4311
[08:06] <spasticteapot> fwcutter?
[08:06] <aussieman_>  Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
[08:06] <aussieman_> i used fwcutter to get the fware
[08:06] <spasticteapot> Ah.
[08:06] <spasticteapot> I think you need drivers - tried a wrapper?
[08:07] <aussieman_> hint here  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcm43xx-fwcutter/+bug/98856
[08:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 98856 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "wireless connection with fwcutter bcm4311 very slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:07] <aussieman_> na
[08:07] <spasticteapot> Try ifconfig or iwconfig, and see what shows up.
[08:07] <aussieman_> yes i know
[08:07] <aussieman_> eth1:avah Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1A:73:18:79:93
[08:07] <aussieman_>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:07] <aussieman_>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[08:07] <aussieman_>           Interrupt:11 Base address:0x8000
[08:08] <aussieman_>  Nickname:"Broadcom 4311"
[08:08] <aussieman_>           Mode:Managed  Frequency=2.484 GHz  Access Point: Invalid
[08:34] <Grey_Loki_> !alsa
[08:34] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:45] <limbert65> Will we be able to upgrade easily from Xubuntu Edgy to Feisty?
[08:47] <grazie> limbert65: many have done so already
[08:48] <limbert65> What's the best way?  I was thinking of an Upgrade button in the Upgrade Manager, or something piece-of-cake like that.
[08:48] <limbert65> I mean Update Manager
[08:48] <limbert65> Sorry.
[08:50] <grazie> limbert65: I'd rather update /etc/apt/sources.list with the feisty repos and then use aptitude, synaptic or apt-get to upgrade
[08:52] <limbert65> Ok, thanks.
[08:57] <Grey_Loki_> !jack
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <Grey_Loki_> !libjack
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libjack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:29] <limbert65> Three questions regarding upgrading from Xubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 (sorry if these are dumb questions):
[09:29] <maxamillion> limbert65: fire away
[09:29] <limbert65> 1)  Can I use the same procedure that would be used for Ubuntu? (http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/upgrade-ubuntu-610-edgy-eft-to-ubuntu.html?
[09:30] <limbert65> 2)  How will this affect things like my chosen theme, stuff in my taskbar, etc?  Is stuff likely to get messed up?
[09:30] <limbert65> 3)  If I do this now, what happens when the final release of 7.04 comes out?  Will I just do a regular software update to get up to Release status?
[09:31] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: help :)
[09:32] <maxamillion> 1) yes you can
[09:32] <maxamillion> 2) it should keep all current configurations (it did for me)
[09:32] <maxamillion> 3) yes, a regular software update will get you up to release status
[09:32] <limbert65> Thanks for those answers.  Very quick and to the point.  :-)
[09:33] <maxamillion> limbert65: with #1, just make sure you point the repositories to feisty :)
[09:33] <limbert65> So, it sounds like this has been a painless upgrade for people?
[09:33] <maxamillion> anytime ;)
[09:33] <maxamillion> limbert65: yes, the only pain was the download time for the packages ;)
[09:33] <hyper_ch> limbert65: I did a clean install but I have /home on a seperate partition
[09:34] <limbert65> And regarding pointing those repositories, does that have to be done even using the GUI method (gksu update-manager -c -d)?
[09:34] <maxamillion> limbert65: do you have any non-repository installed applications?
[09:34] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: do you know how to remove an unresponding desklet from the taskbar?
[09:35] <limbert65> I think the only thing I've installed not from the repositories is Mozilla Sunbird, but that's all self-contained in its own folder.;
[09:35] <maxamillion> limbert65: i don't know about changing repos with the update manager ... i have been managing my packages from the command line for the better part of a decade and its a hard habbit to break, i edited my sources.list by hand
[09:35] <Grey_Loki> Can a wine-expert take a look at this log, please? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13727/
[09:35] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: oooo, that's no good ... and no, i can't say that i do
[09:35] <maxamillion> limbert65: ok, then you should be fine
[09:36] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: the weather desklet isn't working anymore... but I was able to add a new one that works fine... it's strange :)
[09:36] <limbert65> fine meaning, shouldn't have to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list?  Or should I still edit that manually first?
[09:36] <maxamillion> limbert65: i had a coulpe i installed from third party repositories and the upgrade yelled at me about unmet dependencies, but that took about 10 minutes to resolve
[09:36] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: that is a little odd
[09:36] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: even after reboot it stayed unresponsive...
[09:37] <hyper_ch> limbert65: if you know how to edit the sources.list you could do it that way :)
[09:37] <maxamillion> limbert65: the update-manager '-c' flag should do all that updating of the sources.list for you
[09:37] <limbert65> And I would just replace every "edgy" with "feisty", basically?
[09:37] <hyper_ch> limbert65: basically yes :)
[09:38] <limbert65> Ok, one last one:  I have used EasyUbuntu to install some codecs and drivers and stuff.  Will that be a problem?
[09:38] <hyper_ch> and then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:38] <hyper_ch> I don't know how EasyUbuntu works
[09:39] <hyper_ch> this could break the system
[09:39] <maxamillion> limbert65: yeah EasyUbuntu _might_ cause some problems ... kinda like Automatix
[09:39] <hyper_ch> thats why I argue against using either one
[09:39] <hyper_ch> what they do can also be done manually.. takes a bit more time but you learn a lot more
[09:40] <limbert65> Ok, might want to wait on it then.  When the full version comes out on the 19th, will an Upgrade button appear in the Update Manager, like it does in Ubuntu?
[09:40] <limbert65> Or will the upgrade process be the same no matter when I decide to do it?
[09:40] <hyper_ch> limbert65: it still may break your system because of easyubuntu
[09:41] <limbert65> Hmm.
[09:41] <hyper_ch> limbert65: what did you need EasyUbuntu for?
[09:41] <maxamillion> limbert65: yeah, the upgrade process should be the same now as it will be on the release date
[09:41] <limbert65> It was just a slick easy way of installing a bunch of codecs and drivers that I had previously installed manually, individually.  It worked perfectly.
[09:42] <hyper_ch> limbert65: I did write myself a little install script that installs all the stuff I need...
[09:42] <hyper_ch> limbert65: all I need to do it creating my sources.list, import the gpg keys
[09:42] <hyper_ch> and then let the shell script do the work (except for skype and java which still require some user feedback)
[09:42] <limbert65> I was under the impression that's all EasyUbuntu really was: a little script that found all the download sites and automated the process for you.
[09:43] <hyper_ch> limbert65: as said, I don't know how easyubuntu works... automatix is likely to break your system in a dist-upgrade... but I can't tell for sure with EU
[09:43] <maxamillion> codecs*
[09:43] <limbert65> Ok, well thanks for all the good answers.  I will do a little more checking before diving in.
[09:44] <limbert65> (Or at least back up all my stuff first)  ;-)
[09:44] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I use Seveas' repo for installing the codecs... I asked him whether it matters edgy/feisty and he said no and I didn't have any problem
[09:44] <hyper_ch> limbert65: backups are always good :)
[09:44] <hyper_ch> limbert65: do you have /home on a seperate partition?
[09:44] <Seveas> hyper_ch, note that that only holds for w32codecs
[09:44] <limbert65> no, I just did the default install.
[09:45] <hyper_ch> Seveas: hmmm, ok, then the other codecs are from the feisty uni/multiverse repos :)
[09:45] <maxamillion> limbert65: just burn your home dir to a cd or dvd for safety (that's what i do when i am worried about losing data()
[09:45] <limbert65> I usually copy it to an external drive.
[09:46] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: if one dvd is enough :)
[09:46] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: its possible that aptitude installed the others automatically as "recommended" packages (if you use aptitude for package management)
[09:46] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: lol ... i don't have that much data ... normally a cd-r is more than enough space
[09:46] <maxamillion> limbert65: that works as well
[09:47] <hyper_ch> limbert65: I'd adivce to put /home on a sepearte partition.... maybe if the upgrade from edgy to feisty breaks and you have to reinstall everything... then you may want to make it seperate :)
[09:47] <limbert65> I haven't done that before.  Do I just manually edit the partition table during the install and specify a /home partition as well as a / and swap?
[09:48] <nekomancer> limbert65, you don't need to, unless you want /home to be in a different partition
[09:48] <limbert65> that's what I mean:  if I want /home on a different partition.
[09:49] <nekomancer> limbert65, that should work.  it isn't hard
[09:49] <maxamillion> and i'm reallllly lazy
[09:49] <limbert65> Me too.
[09:49] <nekomancer> bah
[09:49] <limbert65> Not too much trouble to just copy my documents, then replace them after reinstall.
[09:49] <nekomancer> it's easy
[09:49] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: here's my sources and install script... makes re-install really quick:   http://phpfi.com/223027
[09:50] <maxamillion> limbert65: i will say that nekomancer and hyper_ch are correct in saying that having the /home as a different partition is a good idea .... i'm just lazy
[09:50] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: change those first two commands to aptitude so it all matches ;)
[09:51] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: but that's pretty slick, i like it
[09:51] <nekomancer> hyper_ch, correct me if i am wrong, but don't you need an aptitude upadate before running all thoes aptitude fetches?
[09:51] <nekomancer> and yes, thoes scripts are nice
[09:51] <hyper_ch> limbert65: it's not really difficult... just make sure you select the correct partitions :)     "/" (root) should be about 10GB, "swap" about double of your ram and make the rest "/home"
[09:51] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: yeah, you're right.. need to change that :)
[09:51] <maxamillion> nekomancer: i think all the update does is updates the apt-cache which i believe both apt-get and aptitude reference
[09:52] <nekomancer> add the nessary stuff to add that sources list to your file automaticly.  not too hard
[09:52] <hyper_ch> nekomancer: well, it is important first to update the installed libs and then fetch the others :) it makes sense
[09:52] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i think he was commenting on using apt-get instead of aptitude for the update
[09:52] <nekomancer> hyper_ch, i aggree
[09:52] <maxamillion> the fact that you were*
[09:52] <hyper_ch> oh, yeah :) I need to change that
[09:53] <maxamillion> ;)
[09:53] <hyper_ch> as said, Java and Skype still need some user input, hence they are on top
[09:53] <maxamillion> noooo!!!!! my netradio just died
[09:54] <hyper_ch> and I just put the stuff in there that I will install for sure :)
[09:54] <nekomancer> http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/n/p/npl108/setup_script, changed some, is what i use to update a new install.
[09:55] <hyper_ch> nekomancer: ok, I could auto-add the repos also :)
[09:55] <hyper_ch> you use automatix? ^^
[09:56] <nekomancer> my flash is touchy otherwise
[09:56] <hyper_ch> what's blobwars?
[09:56] <nekomancer> a game i got addicted to a while ago
[09:56] <nekomancer> side scrolling shooter
[09:57] <hyper_ch> hehehe
[09:57] <hyper_ch> wesnot :)
[09:58] <hyper_ch> I remember while I was still on linux I formatted my computer about every 6 months
[09:58] <hyper_ch> and it took like 6-8h to reinstall all the software and stuff
[09:59] <nekomancer> what do you do now?
[09:59] <hyper_ch> running my script :)
[09:59] <nekomancer> or did you mean still on windows?
[09:59] <hyper_ch> on windows it took that long
[09:59] <hyper_ch> here it goes way faster
[09:59] <hyper_ch> install is done faster
[09:59] <hyper_ch> and software isntall is done a lot faster either
[09:59] <hyper_ch> and configs remain
[10:00] <nekomancer> that they do.
[10:01] <hyper_ch> and my mom uses Linux meanwhile too :)
[10:01] <hyper_ch> but I installed her a kubuntu
[10:01] <nekomancer> i'm thinking of copying my main config files, ie x.conff (something like that) onto a website and just wget them.
[10:01] <nekomancer> kubuntu is nice.  xubuntu is better, but not as... flashy.
[10:01] <nekomancer> or gui intuitive.
[10:01] <hyper_ch> my mom likes it looking nice :)
[10:02] <hyper_ch> for me I don't need all that fancy stuff
[10:02] <nekomancer> moms are like that :P
[10:02] <hyper_ch> I just need my background wallpaper changer :)
[10:02] <maxamillion> i enjoy xfce's simplicity
[10:02] <hyper_ch> (my mom never liked my messy bedroom)
[10:02] <nekomancer> anyway, you all have have a good day
[10:02] <hyper_ch> cya
[10:05] <hyper_ch> "According to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, a lawsuit alleges that Microsoft engaged in deceptive practices by letting PC makers promote hardware as 'Windows Vista Capable' even though they knew it could not run most of Vista's widely-promoted features. Microsoft responds by saying that the differences have been promoted with one of the most extensive marketing pushes in company history. 'In sum, Microsoft engaged in bait and switch --
[10:05] <hyper_ch> assuring consumers they were purchasing Vista Capable machines when, in fact, they could obtain only a stripped-down operating system lacking the functionality and features that Microsoft advertised as Vista ... As a result, the suit said, people were buying machines that couldn't run the real Vista.'"
[10:05] <Naughtyboy> hyper_ch, : really liked your script....think I'm gonna something similar....
[10:05] <Naughtyboy> a question thou
[10:06] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: also have a look at the one from nekomancer... he did auto-intergration of repos
[10:06] <hyper_ch> and that question is?
[10:06] <Naughtyboy> hyper_ch, : is it possiblem add files I want to remove/uninstall in the same script..?
[10:06] <hyper_ch> sure
[10:06] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:06] <hyper_ch> it's just a series of bash command
[10:07] <hyper_ch> instead of 2install" use "remove"
[10:07] <hyper_ch> e.g.   aptitude -y remove mozilla-thunderbird
[10:07] <Naughtyboy> so basicly just add "aptitude remove gaim"  for an example
[10:07] <hyper_ch> yes
[10:07] <Naughtyboy> ook whats the -y for..?
[10:08] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: you would be surprised at the power of bash scripts
[10:08] <hyper_ch> that you don't have to enter "y"
[10:08] <hyper_ch> you've installed something by the command line yet?
[10:09] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: for remove you may even want to consider this:      aptitude -y --purge remove gaim
[10:09] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: that will also delete any config files created by gaim
[10:09] <hyper_ch> or am I wrong...
[10:09] <hyper_ch> the man page says different...
[10:09] <hyper_ch> ok, forget that about the "--purge"
[10:10] <Naughtyboy> hyper_ch, : yeah sure i have installed in command line..and compiled to...but I usually use the "apt-get install/remove" command
[10:10] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: normally when you install something or remove through the command line it will check dependencies and then display what operations will be done
[10:11] <Naughtyboy> ok
[10:11] <hyper_ch> and the "-y" switch just removes that final check where you still can abort
[10:11] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: and the main difference between aptitude and apt-get ist that apitutde will also install the recommended packages while apt-get won't
[10:11] <Naughtyboy> ok...I see....this idea I really like....gonna get to work with this..
[10:11] <hyper_ch> (well, that's the main difference for me)
[10:11] <Naughtyboy> ana OK..sp aptitude would be a better way..??
[10:12] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: depends... I have enough disk-space and I just prefer to have it all :)
[10:12] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: however if you want to isntall as little as necessary then you use apt-get
[10:13] <Naughtyboy> yeah me to....got plenty of space...and just like you just want it to work...so I install everything it suggest
[10:13] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[10:13] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: the beauty (and also curse) of linux is that YOU have CHOICES
[10:14] <hyper_ch> sometimes it's hard to know what one wants :)
[10:18] <Naughtyboy> yeah...well...no matter what it still me who is in commad of my system not anyone else....I choose what I want
[10:19] <Naughtyboy> and thats the way I like it
[10:21] <hyper_ch> that's good :)
[10:21] <hyper_ch> well, if you dont' worry about diskspace and don't want to have the necessary-only things installed then use aptitude
[10:22] <Naughtyboy> yeah I will....good demonstration off the difference, in the URL
[10:25] <hyper_ch> yeah, psychocat has assembled quite some nice info
[10:25] <Naughtyboy> pitty there's no support for automatix in Fiesty yet..
[10:27] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: what do you need automatix for?
[10:28] <Naughtyboy> well...I figured I would get an answer like that...hehe
[10:28] <Naughtyboy> I just like the automated installtion and configuration
[10:28] <hyper_ch> installation of what?
[10:29] <Naughtyboy> eehh...hmm...well appz that I tel automatix to install...
[10:29] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: like?
[10:30] <Naughtyboy> and also the allt the plugins and stuff for firefox e.t.c
[10:30] <hyper_ch> what plugins?
[10:31] <Naughtyboy> yeah well..I get you our standpoint...and I can se why...but the fact still remins no matter waht you tell me ;=)) .. I like it and way it works...
[10:32] <Naughtyboy> ;=))
[10:41] <hyper_ch> why use something that may break the system?
[10:44] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: don't use automatix, it makes life easy short term but the headaches that will result in the long term are not worth it
[10:46] <Naughtyboy> well...I used it before in on both 5.10 and 6.06 and both ubuntu and xubuntu ...and it hasn't broken anything for me yet....so tell me what can/will it break..?
[10:47] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: did you upgrade from 5.10 to 6.06?
[10:47] <Naughtyboy> I'm not saying in any way that you are wrong....I'm n00b not the one to tell you what right or wrong...but I just don t understand why it so bad
[10:47] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : no a clean install
[10:48] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: ah, yeah ... as long as you keep with clean installs you will be fine
[10:49] <Naughtyboy> always clean isntalls when change verison or distro or so...I just hate upgrades.....I don't trust it
[10:50] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: fair enough
[10:50] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: i trust debian upgrades .... starting to warm up to xubuntu upgrades, and i know a guy who has a feisty install that started as a 5.04 and he has just always upgraded since without any problems
[10:50] <Naughtyboy> but tell me what or point me whree I can learn...wht is so bad with automatix...even with upgrades
[10:51] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: it just seems to break things in upgrades
[10:51] <Naughtyboy> aha OK...dependsies..??
[10:51] <maxamillion> yup
[10:52] <maxamillion> among other things, i don't exactly know what it does but weird things happen and after reading about so many problems with it on the forums and in mailing lists, i just kinda swore it off
[10:53] <Naughtyboy> ok...
[10:55] <Naughtyboy> well it has been treating me good before..and as a n00b it has helped me and keep my interst in linux going...having said that, currently I'm running xubuntu Fiesty a balybuild from 070326 ..and I have been installing everything amually and gotten everything to work..
[10:56] <Naughtyboy> but I still would like to have things automated...just like script provided by hyper_ch  and nekomancer ...
[10:56] <Naughtyboy> err dalybuild
[10:56] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: I also used it in the beginning but dependencies aren't handled well and it broke things... hence I stay away from it (although I read in the forums that automatix2 has really improved)
[10:56] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: you can easily write your own :)
[10:57] <Naughtyboy> yeah...as I said befor I'll give a try for sure...
[11:03] <Shaba1> Hello anyone home
[11:03] <somerville32> Yup
[11:04] <Shaba1> hello somerville32
[11:04] <Shaba1> I do not have any specifice questions right now
[11:04] <maxamillion> somerville32: j0
[11:04] <Shaba1> since I am on the windows side of my laptop
[11:04] <maxamillion> Shaba1: then just hang out and answer other's questions or stop by #xubuntu-offtopic for casual conversation :)
[11:04] <Shaba1> but I would like to find out is there is a graphical ram usage applet for xubuntu
[11:05] <Shaba1> things frezzed up every now and then
[11:05] <Shaba1> and I would like to find out is it th 1800 mhz processor I have or do I need more ram
[11:05] <maxamillion> Shaba1: there are a few, but one i really like (its not really "graphical") is called htop
[11:06] <hyper_ch> htop?
[11:06] <maxamillion> http://swooh.kicks-ass.org/~adam/berylGears.png <<--- on the left screen, the bottom right terminal window
[11:07] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: its top, but sooo much better
[11:07] <maxamillion> jeebus that is an old screenie ... i haven't run beryl in like 4 months
[11:07] <maxamillion> maybe longer
[11:08] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: interesting
[11:09] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: oh yeah ... i posted to debianadministration.org about it the day i found out it existed, its AWESOME
[11:10] <hyper_ch> cool :)
[11:10] <maxamillion> did you install it?
[11:10] <hyper_ch> anyway, going to watch a movie and then I'm off to bed
[11:10] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: yes
[11:10] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: you like?
[11:10] <maxamillion> oh .. ok, ttyl
[11:10] <hyper_ch> that's why I said interesting :)
[11:11] <maxamillion> oh .. lol
[11:11] <maxamillion> yeah, its great ... you can scroll up and down and kill processes with it, among ALOT of other things
[11:12] <maxamillion> its extrememly interactive
[11:13] <hyper_ch> can it remove zombies?
[11:14] <maxamillion> i think it might be able to... never tried
[11:14] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: http://htop.sourceforge.net/
[11:14] <hyper_ch> I often get a zombie or two and don't know how to remove them from top :)
[11:15] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: yeah, htop should just let you highlight it and hit a key combo to get rid of it
[11:15] <hyper_ch> :) maybe
[11:15] <spasticteapot> Anyone here?
[11:15] <hyper_ch> I'll see :)
[11:15] <hyper_ch> spasticteapot: nop, we are not here :)
[11:15] <spasticteapot> Heh.
[11:16] <spasticteapot> Any chance you could tell me a decent P2P program?
[11:16] <hyper_ch> I use ktorrent
[11:16] <spasticteapot> I kinda need to download a copy of a book I bought.
[11:16] <hyper_ch> but that was intended for KDE
[11:19] <maxamillion> !gtkgnutella
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtkgnutella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <maxamillion> !gtk-gnutella
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtk-gnutella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <maxamillion> what!!!!
[11:19] <Lsi> !gnutella
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnutella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <spasticteapot> Hmm..Bitttornado should do it.
[11:19] <maxamillion> !info gtk-gnutella
[11:19] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 7016 kB
[11:19] <spasticteapot> I'm set.
[11:20] <spasticteapot> Turns out there's a torrent!
[11:20] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: for p2p gtk-gnutella is good, for torrents i like bittornado
[11:22] <Shaba1> so where do I get that maxamillion
[11:24] <maxamillion> Shaba1: you can use synaptic or aptitude or apt-get to install it from the repositories
[11:43] <Shaba1> whats the name
[11:44] <Shaba1> if I can remember it
[11:44] <Shaba1> I probably will not get on xubuntu until tonight
[11:44] <Shaba1> I use windows exclusively here at work
[11:45] <spasticteapot> Freeloader works pretty well.
[11:46] <maxamillion> Shaba1: gtk-gnutella
[11:48] <Shaba1> freeloader
[11:48] <Shaba1> is that not and offline web loader
[11:49] <spasticteapot> ?
[11:49] <spasticteapot> Bittorrent compatible.
[11:52] <Shaba1> spasticteapot what??
[11:52] <Shaba1> you are speaking in two word sentences
[11:54] <spasticteapot> Freeloader is bittorrent compatible.
[11:54] <spasticteapot> Works great with Xubuntu, it would appear.
[11:56] <Shaba1> I think I got synaptice with the xubuntu install
[11:56] <maxamillion> Shaba1: yes, you did
[11:57] <Naughtyboy> guys...any1 knows wich the latest patch is for WoW ...??
[11:58] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: heh ... uh, no
[11:59] <Naughtyboy> ok..
[11:59] <ChainedGX> anyone know how to get xfmedia to play mp3 and wmv?
[12:00] <ChainedGX> also is it normal to get a blank screen until the xserver starts?
[12:00] <maxamillion> ChainedGX: install the codecs maybe? ... i dunno, i don't bother with xfmedia it never works for me
[12:01] <ChainedGX> ah...thanks
[12:01] <maxamillion> brb
[12:02] <ChainedGX> i guess i should have mentioned i have xubuntu on an old imac g3
[12:05] <spasticteapot> Woah.
[12:05] <spasticteapot> PowerPC, eh?
[12:05] <spasticteapot> They used old ATI Rage cards, I think - Nvidia was pretty rare.
[12:07] <ChainedGX> yup
[12:07] <ChainedGX> xubuntu works great on it
[12:08] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Xfmedia codec for mp3 playback : libxine-extracodecs
[12:09] <ChainedGX> PuMpErNiCkLe: Thanks I'll give it a try
[12:11] <spasticteapot> I always wondered how Linux would perform on PPC.
[12:12] <spasticteapot> They've become pretty cheap.
[12:13] <spasticteapot> http://www.genesippc.com/efika.php
[12:13] <spasticteapot> These can be mass-produced for $100/ea.
[12:13] <spasticteapot> Easily.
[12:13] <ChainedGX> except for missing flash it's about the same as x86
[12:13] <spasticteapot> they're roughly equivalent to a later-model G3 machine.
[12:14] <maxamillion> ChainedGX: what's the same as x86?
[12:14] <ChainedGX> linux on ppc
[12:15] <maxamillion> ChainedGX: in what respect?
[12:15] <spasticteapot> They work well either way.
[12:16] <ChainedGX> same apps same environment except that my imac seems to run a little faster that my amd500 and the imac is only 233MHz
[12:17] <spasticteapot> Cool.
[12:17] <spasticteapot> That Efika board might be a great solution for the 3rd world.
[12:17] <spasticteapot> $100/board, all inclusive, and a G3 CPU.
[12:17] <spasticteapot> 400mhz, I believe.
[12:19] <spasticteapot> Any thoughts on the Efika?
[12:19] <ChainedGX> that would be great for kids
[12:20] <ChainedGX> just get them to package it with xubuntu
[12:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Meh.  A network appliance, maybe.
[12:22] <spasticteapot> WTF?
[12:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What?
[12:23] <spasticteapot> A 333mhz G3 with XFCE is enough power for word processing, web browsing, and such.
[12:23] <spasticteapot> Heck, a 333mhz PII is enough - that's the lowest I've used.
[12:23] <spasticteapot> With XFCE, that could be a $100 PC.


[08:23] <duanedesign> bug 537610
[08:26] <duanedesign> bug 537282
[09:35] <duanedesign> hello rye. Have a good weekend?
[09:35] <duanedesign> d'oh
[10:41] <duanedesign> connection giving you a hard time this morning rye ?  :)
[10:42] <rye> duanedesign, well, at first I was logged inv via ipv4, my router forgot that it has ipv6 link - reconnected. Then the power went off - router rebooted and forgot about ipv6 again (i.e. No route o_O).
[10:43] <rye> and I am not good at kernel debugging, especially if it is 2.4 :)
[10:43] <duanedesign> heh, right
[10:44] <rye> duanedesign, you know why there are no that much bug reports now?
[10:44] <duanedesign> hope you had a good weekend. Uneventful here, but sometimes thats nice
[10:44] <rye> duanedesign, bug #538097 :)
[10:44] <duanedesign> rye: i thought it strange that there have been no new reports in a few days
[10:44] <duanedesign> ugh
[10:45] <rye> yup
[10:46] <duanedesign> i had two that i was looking at that i was gonna ask if you had seen before....
[10:47] <duanedesign> bug 537610
[10:47] <duanedesign> i think the title might be decieving. There is another error in the log as well
[10:47] <rye> duanedesign, you might now that better- if the package says Fix Released for a package but one build (i386) failed - should I file a new bug report or reply to existing one?
[10:48] <rye> duanedesign - yes, I am checking that now - it looks like I have got this as well, but ignored for some strange reason thinking that my system is somehow biased
[10:48] <duanedesign> rye: yes there are a couple with that error
[10:50] <duanedesign> rye: i asked about the build failed question in #ubuntu-bugs to be certain.
[10:50] <rye> duanedesign,  thanks!
[11:20] <rye> duanedesign, hm, are launchpad-gm-scripts working for you?
[11:25] <duanedesign> rye: i was having trouble with the 'add tag' feature, but other than that yes
[11:25] <rye> hmm..
[11:25] <duanedesign> rye: are they not working at all?
[11:25] <rye> duanedesign, here - nope... Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100308 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6
[12:24] <pfibiger`> muffinresearch: ping
[12:24] <muffinresearch> pfibiger`: hi
[13:35] <oly> hi guys are there any known problems with notes currently on ubuntu one ?
[13:36] <oly> I have not been able to access the notes tab in the interface for around a week now
[13:36] <beuno> oly, a week sounds like a lot
[13:37] <oly> yeah hence why i am asking
[13:37] <beuno> oly, do you get oopses?
[13:37] <oly> i only have one note with a single link in it
[13:37] <oly> yep one sec
[13:37] <oly> OOPS-ID-1535appserver59000
[13:38] <beuno> oly, you got that one just now?
[13:38] <oly> yes, i just this second went to the webpage and pasted it here
[13:38] <beuno> rye, pfibiger, ^
[13:39] <beuno> pfibiger, are oopses accesible yet?
[13:40] <oly> not a great loss, although the link would be handy at some point was kind of waiting figuring it will be sorted soon
[13:40] <pfibiger> beuno: yes, but not at that url. we maybe have seen some still missing, but the major culprit of losing oopses has been fixed.
[13:40] <pfibiger> it ought be on buffaloberry within an hour, or early if manually synced.
[13:41] <beuno> pfibiger, an hour sounds too long to debug on IRC  :)
[13:41] <beuno> pfibiger, launchpad syncs them within minutes
[13:42] <oly> well there are probably others oops, as i have tried a few times to access the notes tab
[13:51] <rye_> great, my mission-control-5 segfaults  on a netbook
[13:52] <rye_> sometimes
[14:19] <rye_> alevine, hi, so, is desktopcouch replication working for you now?
[14:20] <rye_> i.e. has anything changed?
[14:22] <alevine> rye_, everything seems to be "working" fine. let me take a look if I still don't have a notes db
[14:22] <alevine> by working I mean I can synchronize notes
[14:23] <alevine> rye, still just have users and management dbs in couch
[14:33] <rye_> duanedesign, btw, default upload/download rate should be 2Mbit
[14:33]  * rye_ is reading backlogs to find alevine's log
[14:34] <rye_> alevine, could you please try restarting desktopcouch service (I fail to remember whether I asked you to do that or not) from the terminal
[14:35] <alevine> rye_, I think you did ask me, and it didn't make a difference. but can you remind me how to restart desktopcouch?
[14:36] <rye_> alevine, python /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-stop
[14:36] <rye_> alecu, then killall desktopcouch-service
[14:36] <rye_> alevine, ^ ( alecu, sorry :) )
[14:36] <rye_> alevine, afterwards, from the terminal - /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-service
[14:38] <rye_> alevine, if that prints something - could you please paste it to some pastebin. If it does not, then filing a private bug against desktopcouch with desktopcouch-replication log attached might help
[14:38] <alevine> rye_, stopping works. When starting: RuntimeError: Unable to find file descriptors in /proc
[14:38] <rye_> hm, I wonder whether attachments from private bug reports are inaccessible ...
[14:38] <alevine> do I need to sudo?
[14:38] <rye_> alevine, as, I start to remember, yeah - the regexp
[14:39] <rye_> alecu, no, desktopcouch runs as a local user, are you running it via sudo?
[14:39] <alevine> no I did not
[14:39] <rye_> alevine, ok, then summoning desktopcouch team...
[14:39]  * rye_ summons thisfred_ CardinalFang
[14:40] <thisfred_> ohai
[14:40]  * CardinalFang arrives in a puff of smoke.
[14:41] <rye_> thisfred_, hi, question - desktopcouch fails to find listening port. Even while I was a Perl programmer, it takes a while to find out what that regexp for proc file means
[14:41] <thisfred_> sounds like a job for: SuperCardinalFang! :)
[14:41] <rye_> alevine, could you please find out the pid of beam.smp / beam of couchdb that is running the desktopcouch database?
[14:41] <thisfred_> (I know very little about the actual desktop parts of desktopcouch)
[14:42] <alevine> rye_, 5551
[14:42] <alevine> i assume you want me to do something with that now :)
[14:42] <rye_> alevine, ok, now could you please post the contents of /proc/5551/net/tcp to pastebin
[14:43] <rye_> alevine, I have definitely asked you to do that in the past, but testing how pastebin can take data is also good :)
[14:43] <alevine> rye_, http://pastebin.com/jDDen1Uu
[14:43] <rye_> alevine, and the log file for our past talk is buried somewhere in irclogs
[14:43] <CardinalFang> rye, Hrm, send me the contents of your running couchdb's  /proc/NNN/net/tcp .
[14:44] <rye_> CardinalFang, this is affecting alevine, and his proc/tcp entries are here - http://pastebin.com/jDDen1Uu
[14:46] <rye_> ok, me is returning to the base, see you as a normal 'rye'
[14:48] <CardinalFang> alevine, Hi.  Paste the contents of "ls -l /proc/5551/fd" in a pastebin also, please.
[14:49] <alevine> CardinalFang, http://pastebin.com/wFyk9rXu
[14:50] <CardinalFang> alecu, so the first is 'desktopcouch-service' and the second is a 'beam.smp' or 'beam'?
[14:51] <alecu> CardinalFang, I'm sure you mean "alevine", right?
[14:51] <alevine> alecu, you must hate me :)
[14:51] <CardinalFang> alecu, and figure out why your IRC cleint thinks your name is "alecu', too!
[14:52] <CardinalFang> Got that, alevine?
[14:52] <alecu> :-)
[14:53] <alevine> CardinalFang, sorry. your question is over my head. I don't know much about couchdb or anything about desktopcouch
[14:53] <CardinalFang> alevine, You pasted two things.  Why two?
[14:54] <alevine> the paste that rye sent you is the contents of /proc/5551/net/tcp, the one I sent you is the output of ls -l /proc/5551/fd
[14:54] <CardinalFang> alevine, Oh, wait, I see.  Sorry.
[14:54] <CardinalFang> alevine, pastebin looks different.  I thought there were two pastes.  The second is really another submission box.
[14:55] <alevine> pastebin changed their interface last week I think :)
[14:55] <CardinalFang> Yeah, someone bought and rewrote it, I heard.
[14:57] <alevine> odd
[15:00] <CardinalFang> alevine, Hrm, it works for me, using your data.
[15:01] <CardinalFang> alevine, let's open a terminal and run 'python'
[15:01] <alevine> CardinalFang, done
[15:01] <CardinalFang> alevine,  >>> import desktopcouch; desktopcouch.find_port()
[15:02] <alevine> CardinalFang, 36745
[15:02] <alevine> was returned in single quotes
[15:02] <CardinalFang> alevine, Er, okay.  That's what I expected to happen.
[15:03] <CardinalFang> alevine, Maybe we should back up.  What is the problem you see?
[15:04] <alevine> CardinalFang, as a user, I have no problem. I can synchronize my notes correctly. But I think rye was worried about the fact that I have no notes db in my couch when I open it with futon
[15:06] <CardinalFang> alevine, okay.  I think I see how we got here.  What version of desktopcouch do you have installed?  $ dpkg -l desktopcouch |cat
[15:07] <alevine> CardinalFang, ii  desktopcouch                               0.5-0ubuntu1
[15:19] <CardinalFang> statik, Can you upload to 9.10?  Prob not, right?  I was sure this branch/release landed months ago.
[15:19] <CardinalFang> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu/karmic/desktopcouch/release-0.5.1/+merge/16433
[15:56] <statik> CardinalFang, for that to go into 9.10 we would follow the SRU process. I can upload to karmic-proposed, yes. I probably need to do it not-today though.
[15:58] <CardinalFang> statik, agreed, not urgent at all.  I'll review SRU checklist again.
[15:59] <alevine> CardinalFang, let me know if you need me to run anything else. the problem isn't urgent to me...but i'm here to help if you think you should look into it
[15:59] <CardinalFang> alevine, Okay, I think your desktopcouch-service will start, but not every time you run it.   There's a timing problem, that we have a fix for already proposed.  It has not landed in Ubuntu 9.10 yet, though it has in 10.04-pre.
[16:00] <alevine> CardinalFang, sounds good. is there a bug I can subscribe to so I can test when the fix is released?
[16:02] <CardinalFang> alevine, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch/+bug/465216  When that goes from Confirmed -> Fix Released for desktopcouch (Ubuntu) , it should be fixed.
[16:04] <alevine> CardinalFang, great. I'll test when 0.5.1 comes to karmic
[16:04] <alevine> thanks for your help
[16:07] <dpm> hey dobey, another quick question on ubuntuone-client. This string seems to cause confusion to translators -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/ubuntuone-client/+pots/ubuntuone-client/ca/4/+translate Some people think it's a variable and shouldn't be translated. I've had a quick look at the code and if I understand it correctly, it can be translated as any other. Could you confirm that? And the second question is: would it be possible
[16:07] <dpm>  to add a comment to the string, so it gets extracted and put in the template for translators to see?
[16:09] <dobey> it might make sense to remove the <> there, and not use all caps.
[16:09] <dobey> sure
[16:10] <dobey> a comment is fine
[16:10] <dobey> i'm off to lunch at the moment, though :)
[16:28] <dpm> dobey, yeah, that would sound fine to me as well. It's just a minor thing, though, and I thought I'd just mention it rather than opening a bug. Anyway, enjoy your lunch!
[17:03] <rye> i believe <pre> is not a good tag for <monospace> in Tomboy. <tt> might be better. <monospace> is not block-level, it is inline element
[17:26] <tcole> agreed, generally you want block/inline agreement
[17:36] <dobey> dpm: well, bugs are good for tracking things, even if they are trivial. do you know if there is a bug on it? also, are you making a branch for it?
[17:42] <duanedesign> i imagine everyone is aware of this, just to be sure. bug 537237
[17:43] <duanedesign> oop, nevermind. Its been assigned :) needed to refresh the browser :P
[17:43] <dobey> yes
[17:44] <dobey> we are aware
[17:44] <dobey> and it will be fixed soon :)
[17:46] <duanedesign> thank you dobey
[18:03] <dpm> dobey, I can do both, filing a bug and providing a trivial fix, no probs. I just want to always check first with the devs what they think and which workflow they follow
[18:04] <dobey> dpm: cool. if you've ever seen a tornado, that's pretty much what my workflow is like.
[18:06] <dpm> :-)
[18:08] <duanedesign> rye: does bug 537138 sound like a dupe of bug 531273
[18:09] <dobey> duanedesign: maybe, not sure
[18:10] <dobey> duanedesign: yeah, it does seem like a dup
[18:10] <duanedesign> dobey: thanks dobey. Just trying to finish up on a few notes i made this weekend
[18:47] <duanedesign> huh, im not seeing my /5
[18:47] <duanedesign> oops
[18:47] <duanedesign> lol, seems i have to do that at least once a day :P
[18:56] <mesula> Why does ubuntuone-syncd use so much CPU?
[18:58] <dobey> not sure. we'd need more info to give you an exact answer. presumably there is a bug you're seeing, and it shouldn't be using that much cpu.
[18:59] <mesula> 50%
[18:59] <mesula> Is it even actually doing anything useful?
[19:00] <mesula> It might have something to do with the fact that I just told it to sync up a directory containing 1.5GB of data.
[19:00] <dobey> i don't know what it's doing, aside from "something," based on the information you've recited :)
[19:00] <dobey> how many files?
[19:00] <mesula> dobey: About 8,500.
[19:01] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/bugs/531273
[19:01] <dobey> that's probably what you're seeing then :-/
[19:01] <mesula> dobey: I guess it'll keep going all night, then...
[19:01] <dobey> it's going to be a while, yes
[19:01] <mesula> dobey: I have a crappy Intel CPU. :(
[19:01] <mesula> And I'm running Bittorrent and playing FLAC music.
[19:02] <mesula> Intel P4
[19:02] <dobey> i'm sorry that you're hitting the bug. i hope we can figure out a solution for it soon and make it super fast.
[19:15] <mesula> dobey: The Services tab in Ubuntu One Preferences is all greyed out. :(
[19:16] <mesula> I want to sync my bookmarks and contacts, too.
[19:16] <mesula> Oh, and my Tomboy notes.
[19:16] <dobey> mesula: tomboy is a separate thing, and we can't control whether it's synced or not from that. it has to be set up in Tomboy itself
[19:17] <dobey> mesula: and bookmarks and contacts are already synced by default. it's greyed out because the backend implementation for that functionality isn't complete (althouth it will be in the next few days, and will be in beta2)
[19:17] <mesula> dobey: Does bookmark syncing work with Midori. Also, it doesn't make it obvious it's referring to web bookmarks.
[19:18] <mesula> It could mean ebookmarks or anything else.
[19:18] <dobey> no, bindwood is only available for Firefox at the moment
[19:18] <dobey> ebookmarks?
[19:18] <mesula> dobey: Firefox is stupid and isn't GTK and doesn't integrate properly with my lovely GTK desktop.
[19:18] <mesula> dobey: ebook bookmarks
[19:18] <mesula> dobey: Let's not confuse the users.
[19:18] <dobey> Firefox is gtk+. But yes, it does lack some things.
[19:19] <mesula> dobey: Firefox doesn't use native GTK widgets.
[19:19] <dobey> actually it does
[19:19] <mesula> dobey: Actually, it doesn't.
[19:19] <dobey> (unless you build it with qt)
[19:19] <mesula> Firefox and Openoffice aren't actually GTK.
[19:19] <dobey> in that case, neither is midori i guess
[19:19] <dobey> openoffice certainly isn't
[19:19] <dobey> but firefox is
[19:20] <mesula> WTF Openoffice isn't at all.
[19:20] <mesula> Midori is.
[19:20] <mesula> Themes and stuff always work with Midori and Abiword because they're GTK.
[19:22] <dobey> the drawing code in webkit for widgets is almost exactly the same as the code in firefox for drawing widgets on the web.
[19:22] <dobey> are you referring to firefox nightlies or something?
[19:23] <dobey> gtk+ themes work fine for me re: firefox
[19:23] <mesula> If something looks like a GTK app, doesn't mean it's a GTK app.
[19:25] <dobey> no. but have you read the firefox code? :)
[19:26] <dobey> just because the ui is built with xul, doesn't mean it's not using gtk+ to actually do stuff, either. :)
[19:27] <mesula> dobey: Whenever I want to move my GTK widgets around to weird places on my screen or use some awesome themes, Firefox and OpenOffice don't do it for me.
[19:28] <mesula> For example, I like to use the Dust Sand theme and move my menu bars to the top left corner of my screen.
[19:28] <dobey> move your menu bars?
[19:29] <dobey> with the global-menu applet thing?
[19:29] <mesula> dobey: Yeah, that buggy piece of shit.
[19:29] <mesula> gnome2-globalmenu
[19:30] <dobey> ok. well because firefox doesn't work with it also doesn't mean it's not gtk+. :)
[19:31] <dobey> but anyway, bindwood is only available for firefox at the moment. there has been some work (by someone whom i can't recall the name of at the moment) to make a version for Chrome as well
[19:31] <dobey> i don't know if there is any way to actually extend Midori in that way
[19:31] <dobey> though it might be possible to haven a version for Epiphany
[19:31] <mesula> I wish my 14 year old friend (who's a girl) would log into MSN so that I can arrange to walk her home after school tomorrow.
[19:32] <mesula> dobey: Epiphany sucks
[19:33] <dobey> yes, well. i'm not here to argue about what one thinks is an acceptable version of a web vm. :)
[20:55] <rye_> nessita, do you mind if I comment on tree-deletion-when-prior-conflict with Needs Fixing? I am not a reviewer but it looks like the code will fail to protect users' data inside folders that were themselves renamed in to U1conflict - only filenames are checked
[20:56] <rye_> desktop+/chicharra team - when does a folder get renamed into .u1conflict one ?
[20:57] <dobey> rye_: you can review the branch if you wish
[20:58] <dobey> rye_: it doesn't matter what day you are nominally on-call reviewer for. you can review branches any time
[20:58] <rye_> rye_, erm, I believe I am not in a reviewer at all
[21:00] <dobey> rye_: uhm, yes you are.
[21:00] <dobey> rye_: if you review something, you are a reviewer.
[21:01] <rye_> :)
[21:01] <dobey> rather simple really :)
[21:01] <rye_> dobey, I meant not in a @reviewers :)
[21:01] <rye_> not in @reviewers list
[21:02] <rye_> the third time it looks correct
[21:03] <dobey> rye_: that's just the list of people who are on-call to do reviews for the day
[21:03] <dobey> rye_: but like i said, you don't have to be in that list to do reviews :)
[21:43] <seg|away> thisfred: hey, I just saw your gwibber bug report about couchdb
[21:44] <seg|away> thisfred: let me know if you need any help. I'd really like to get a fix for that in for lucid
[21:45] <seg|away> I suspect it's fairly trivial to accomplish
[21:45] <thisfred> seg|away: ok, I'll try tonight, but I may not have anything left. I'm explicitly not getting canonical time to work on this ;)
[21:46] <thisfred> yeah I've started on the branch. I figure if there were tests, it would have been 5 mins of work ;)
[21:46] <seg|away> yeah
[21:46] <seg|away> the hard part is really making sure it doesn't break anything. :-(
[21:47] <thisfred> I'll see, if it's not much work, I'll add some tests, if not, we can leave that for later, if I can figure out how to make sure I didn't break stuff
[21:47] <seg|away> If you don't have time, I can help with the testing
[21:47] <seg|away> how far have you gotten?
[21:47] <thisfred> ok, I figured I'd ask you for a review specifically anyway :)
[21:48] <thisfred> well, I changed the views, which was trivial, just need to go through the code to see where the value was used, and substitude 'doc' for that
[21:48] <seg|away> gwibber fortunately has a very active and vocal community of daily testers, so we will know almost immediately if something does break and we miss it
[21:49] <seg|away> yeah
[21:49] <thisfred> or uglier but easier, in the big dict, poke the doc value into 'value'
[21:50] <seg|away> thisfred: your report said that you could just use include_docs
[21:50] <seg|away> if that's the case, you can just add that in the same place where we set the record limit in MessageStreamView
[21:50] <seg|away> and that should cover like 90% of the cases where we actually need the doc
[21:51] <seg|away> am I missing something?
[21:51] <thisfred> seg|away: yes, you can pass that as a keyword arg to the python-couchdb view, but then 'doc' is the key in the resulting rows, where before it would have been 'value' I think
[21:51] <seg|away> oh I see
[21:51] <thisfred> this is all from a not very stainless memory
[21:54] <seg|away> thisfred: in any case, I think that it will be pretty easy to add it to view.options in MessageStreamView rather than having to add it to all of the execute_view invocations in the model
[21:54] <thisfred> yeah, I think that's what I
[21:54] <thisfred> 'll do
[21:54] <seg|away> cool
[21:54] <thisfred> it can be prettified later
[21:56] <seg|away> thisfred: where is the view data cached in desktopcouch?
[21:56] <seg|away> I was under the impression that it was part of the actual db file
[21:56] <seg|away> but your bug report seems to indicate that it is separate
[21:56] <thisfred> it is:
[21:57] <thisfred> ls -la $HOME/.local/share/desktop-couch/
[21:57] <thisfred> you'll see a lot of dot directories, one for each db
[21:57] <thisfred> that's where the 'indexes' live
[21:58] <seg|away> ah thanks. I didn't know about that before
[21:58] <seg|away> do those get synced with u1?
[21:58] <thisfred> this is just the way couchdb stores them, not unique to d-c
[21:59] <thisfred> seg|away: no, luckily: the design docs do, but the view indexes are built on first call, and hence never, on the server
[21:59] <seg|away> ok
[21:59] <seg|away> that's good. We have enough trouble already with the network overhead of syncing the message db. ;-)
[21:59] <thisfred> hehe
[22:00] <seg|away> I should probably implement auto-compaction or something
[22:00] <seg|away> will removing the doc data from the views also make view computation less cpu-intensive?
[22:01] <thisfred> I'm not sure, it might
[22:01] <thisfred> auto compaction should come to d-c, since there's a daemon running for replication anyway, IMO
[22:01] <seg|away> we get cpu spikes sometimes when it's generating the views after loading a lot of new messages
[22:02] <thisfred> yeah, so it may be less expensive with smaller views, but I would expect it to affect memory more than CPU
[22:02] <seg|away> ah
[22:02] <thisfred> that is without much knowledge of the internals though, so who knows ;)
[22:02] <seg|away> do you think that batch updating would help lower the cpu usage?
[22:03] <seg|away> I'm currently just doing put_record in a loop, basically
[22:03] <thisfred> yes, that may certainly help, as the views would only need to be regenerated once
[22:04] <thisfred> that, or hold off on calling any views between updates, but that's hard in a desktop app where the UI is making its own requests, probably
[22:04] <seg|away> yeah
[22:04] <seg|away> I think our monitoring might also be slowing it down


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