[00:05] <ZachK_> DarkwingDuck: ping
[00:05] <DarkwingDuck> ZachK_: pong
[00:05] <ZachK_> DarkwingDuck: please pm me
[01:48] <ghostofmybrain> how would I reinstall all the lib tools?
[01:53] <Motig> Hey, are there any downsides to using the .exe installer to install Ubuntu?
[02:03] <ZachK_> Motig: ah let me see
[02:04] <ZachK_> Motig: are you referring to Wubi?
[02:05] <Motig> Err... I think so.
[02:08] <ZachK_> http://wubi-installer.org/ is this it?
[02:09] <nomnex> ZachK_, Wubi creates a virtual partition inside windoze. it is slower than having a dual boot install
[02:09] <ZachK_> nomnex: this indeed do I know
[02:09] <ZachK_> nomnex: i'm just trying to make sure of what he is referring to
[02:09] <nomnex> ZachK_, sorry the comment was for Motig
[02:10] <ZachK_> nomnex: ok..
[02:11] <nomnex> and yes, he is doing some confusion here
[02:11] <ZachK_> nomnex: meaning?
[02:11] <Motig> ZachK_, I found it here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-wubi But I guess it's the same
[02:12] <ZachK_> Motig: it is the same yes
[02:12] <nomnex> ZachK_, wubi for "using the .exe"
[02:12] <Motig> nomnex said it was slower?
[02:12] <Motig> Slower to install, or it runs slower?
[02:13] <ZachK_> Motig: it is a bit yes...runs slower in my opinion
[02:13] <nomnex> Motig, run slower
[02:13] <Motig> Hmm
[02:13] <Motig> I would rather wait to get a blank CD then
[02:13] <ZachK_> Motig: and while dualbooting isn't the fastest way either it is a bit faster than Wubi
[02:13] <nomnex> Motig, what are you looking for?
[02:14] <ZachK_> Personally I just run Ubuntu by itself on an external hardrive while keeping Windows on a drive all by it's lonesome
[02:14] <Motig> I want to run Ubuntu on this laptop. Dual booting is what I want to do, because I want to keep Windows until I like Ubuntu
[02:14] <Motig> I have two hard drives on this laptop
[02:14] <ZachK_> Motig: do you have an external drive?
[02:14] <Motig> Um, I do, but it has my music on
[02:14] <ZachK_> nigelb: WELCOME DUDE!
[02:14] <Motig> And is probably slower than a real HDD
[02:15] <ZachK_> Motig: actually it's about the same..
[02:15] <ZachK_> I should know as I've done it a few different ways. Running an OS that is
[02:15] <Motig> You mean to run Ubuntu on the external one? Or install it only from there?
[02:15] <ZachK_> I've done VM, External Drive, Dual Boot.
[02:15] <ZachK_> Motig: I mean running Ubuntu from an external drive
[02:15] <ZachK_> completely
[02:16] <Motig> My external drive cannot be as fast as a real one :p
[02:16] <ZachK_> Motig: you'd be surprised
[02:16] <nomnex> Motig, wubi is fine for your purpose. when you like it, delete the v.part and dual boot install
[02:16] <ZachK_> Motig: but like I said...it's your preference
[02:16] <Motig> hmm.
[02:17] <Motig> I will buy a blank CD I think
[02:17] <nomnex> Motig, keep in mind that 10.04 is a few weeks aways before installing
[02:17] <Motig> How hard is it to update it?
[02:17] <nomnex> Motig, don't
[02:17] <Motig> Don't upgrade?
[02:17] <nomnex> Motig, update is the recipe for troubles
[02:18] <Motig> But doesn't Ubuntu update all the time?
[02:18] <nomnex> Motig, that's different
[02:18] <ZachK_> Motig: updating the drives and file systems is a HECK of a lot different than updating the entire SYSTEM
[02:19] <Motig> I think I read somewhere that the system updates once every 6 months?
[02:19] <Motig> The kernel, right?
[02:19] <nomnex> Motig, the Ubuntu distribution 9.10, 10.04, 10.10 etc
[02:20] <Motig> Errr
[02:20] <Motig> 2009/10, 2010/04 etc. you mean?
[02:20] <nomnex> Motig, correct
[02:21] <Motig> So yes, that means within 6 months my OS will be old? D:
[02:21] <Motig> I thought Linux was meant to be better at this :}
[02:21] <nomnex> Motig, 10.04 is a LTS version it is supported for 2 years (stable) the others are dev. version (unstable), but you can use them too
[02:22] <Motig> Ah, right.
[02:22] <Motig> That's better
[02:22] <Motig> :}
[02:22] <nomnex> Motig, I would recommend a bit or reading beforehand
[02:22] <Motig> About what?
[02:22] <nomnex> Motig, Ubuntu, Linux
[02:23] <nomnex> Motig, using Windoze now?
[02:23] <Motig> Yes
[02:23] <nomnex> win7?
[02:23] <Motig> Vista
[02:23] <nomnex> ubuntu 9.10?
[02:24] <Motig> Don't use Ubuntu atm
[02:24] <nomnex> but you said you want to try it, so what's your image?
[02:24] <Motig> I don't have one...
[02:24] <nomnex> it's still 9.10 on the downl. page
[02:25] <nomnex> from the 29 of April there going to be the 10.04, a LTS (stable) Ubuntu version
[02:25] <nomnex> might be good to wait a bit if you can
[02:25] <Motig> Ok.
[02:25] <nomnex> the diff between a Stable release and a dev. release is the testing period
[02:26] <nomnex> plus these version are maintained for 2 years (updates)
[02:27] <Motig> Okay, thanks.
[02:28] <Motig> I'll read about Linux.
[02:28] <nomnex> it's recommended to wait a bit when a new distro comes out (a few weeks or so)
[02:28] <nomnex> so the new bugs can be ironed out
[02:28] <nomnex> what's you notebook make?
[02:30] <Motig> Vaio
[02:30] <Motig> Err
[02:30] <nomnex> Motig, there a bit of learning curve at the beginning, but it worths it. I hope you will like it.
[02:30] <Motig> Well I've tried Ubuntu before
[02:30] <Motig> But I hated it
[02:30] <Motig> But I decided maybe I had a bad start
[02:31] <Motig> So I want to try it again
[02:31] <nomnex> Motig, hardware issues?
[02:31] <Motig> No, literally found no help
[02:31] <Motig> Didn't know what was going on
[02:31] <Motig> Everything I found on Google was full of jargon
[02:31] <nomnex> Motig, wait a sec.
[02:32] <Motig> I am totally new to Linux, these tutorials didn't get that; they used stuff like "grub" and "sudo" and "gnome" without even explaining them
[02:32] <Motig> I now know what these are
[02:32] <Motig> But I grew tired of it :}
[02:32] <Motig> And when you see no advantage over Windows... You give up :P
[02:32] <nomnex> Motig?
[02:32] <Motig> Yep>
[02:32] <nomnex> http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html -- free guide
[02:33] <nomnex> Motig, .pdf or hard copy, it's a good start to have an idea of Ubuntu linux
[02:33] <Motig> I see.
[02:33] <Motig> Does it assume you know other Linux distros?
[02:33] <Motig> 'Cause I know nothing of linux
[02:33] <nomnex> No, that's for Ubuntu
[02:33] <Motig> No, I mean
[02:34] <Motig> Do I need to know anything about linux
[02:34] <Motig> Atall
[02:34] <nomnex> no, that's why I recommend you this free book
[02:34] <Motig> Okay, thank you
[02:34] <Motig> Oh, free?
[02:34] <Motig> Oh, yes
[02:34] <nomnex> yes, many people will tell you the same around here about this book
[02:34] <Motig> Okay I'll jsut read it then ^^
[02:34] <nomnex> yes, only the hard copy has a fee
[02:35] <nomnex> Motig, if you get by Linux (any distro) you will never use or want to use Windoze again
[02:35] <Motig> I am a gamer...
[02:36] <nomnex> Oh, then that's different, you stick to windoze for the gaming part
[02:36] <nomnex> Motig, what games?
[02:36] <Motig> Hmm
[02:36] <Motig> UT2004, BF:BC2... Err
[02:36] <Motig> Lemme think
[02:36] <Motig> I know UT2k4 actually runs on Linux
[02:37] <Motig> I doubt BF does
[02:37] <nomnex> Batt. field, that's right
[02:38] <Motig> hmm
[02:38] <Motig> Tbh though
[02:38] <Motig> I don't game on this laptop
[02:38] <Motig> I use it to make games, though
[02:38] <Motig> And work
[02:38] <Motig> :}
[02:39] <nomnex> so Linux will do
[02:40] <Motig> Yes.
[05:26] <man0riaX> Morning
[05:30] <paultag> Hallo man0riaX, wie geht's ?
[05:30] <man0riaX> paultag: Gut, und dir?
[05:31] <paultag> man0riaX, mir geht es gut! Ich bin ein bisschen mude, aber gehts gut :)
[05:31] <man0riaX> 6:30AM here and I have school in about an hour. :D
[05:31] <paultag> man0riaX, way too early for me :)
[05:32] <man0riaX> paultag: Well, yes. But since this is my last week ever I have to go there, I don't expect anything to work much
[05:32] <paultag> man0riaX, Gymnasium?
[05:32] <paultag> man0riaX, congrats :) Have you taken the arbitur ( not sure on how to spell it ) ?
[05:33] <man0riaX> paultag: Yes, Gymnasium. My Abitur exams start by the beginning of next week
[05:33] <paultag> man0riaX, Math first, then English, if I recall, right?
[05:35] <man0riaX> paultag: Monday Electrics Engineering, Friday Math, the week after (I don't know the exact day yet :D) English and at the beginning of May religion
[05:36] <man0riaX> Even though I don't believe in God I have chosen religion to be 4th exam :D
[05:36] <paultag> man0riaX, I would do the same, I think :)
[05:36] <paultag> man0riaX, I love studying religion. I don't like the idea much, but I like learning about them :)
[05:36] <man0riaX> Ye (:
[05:39] <man0riaX> I have only done much for Math and EE yet…I think I can handle English :D
[05:39] <paultag> I think so as well man0riaX, your English is very good :)
[05:39] <paultag> man0riaX, Have you seen the film Brüno? It's an American film
[05:39] <man0riaX> Ya
[05:40] <paultag> man0riaX, I just watched it for the first time tonight
[05:40] <paultag> man0riaX, I don't know how ANYONE could think his accent was German
[05:40] <man0riaX> My bus arrives in 3 minutes so I gotta go.
[05:40] <man0riaX> Well
[05:40] <paultag> eeeeeecsh
[05:40] <man0riaX> Yes
[05:40] <man0riaX> :D
[05:40] <paultag> man0riaX, Viel glük!
[05:40] <paultag> man0riaX, Tschuss :)
[05:40] <man0riaX> See ya later
[10:34] <smeag0l> good morning / evening everybody welcome leoquant
[10:37] <st4aluck> @women
[10:49] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> Can anyone tell me how to install adobe flash player 10 for 64bit?
[10:59] <Akos> hi ZeRoDeAtH50435
[10:59] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> hey
[11:01] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: read this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins#64-bit%20Firefox%20and%2032-bit%20Flash%20plugin%20%28Officially%20supported%20by%20Ubuntu%20to%20the%20extent%20possible%20with%20Flash%29
[11:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thanks
[11:03] <Akos> my pleasure
[11:11] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> will not work
[11:15] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: any errors you're getting?
[11:15] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> 404 not found
[11:16] <Akos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[11:17] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> do you know the command for installing restricted software
[11:18] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: it depends on what do you want to installed
[11:18] <Akos> *-d
[11:18] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> well I used it to install adobe on 9.10 64bit
[11:19] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> it was the only way it would work
[11:38] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[11:38] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> hey
[11:38] <duanedesign> hello ZeRoDeAtH50435
[11:42] <duanedesign> ZeRoDeAtH50435: did you get Flash installed ok
[11:42] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I just got it
[11:44] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> now I need to install adobe reader
[13:52] <C-Ray> Hello! I need an Offline English Dictionary for Ubuntu 9.10. Any suggestions?
[14:07] <C-Ray1> ok I found it
[14:07] <C-Ray1> thanks
[14:07] <C-Ray1> goldendic is the answer
[19:37] <michae1> trying to install zimbra desktop beta 2 and am getting permissions denied. can anyone tell me where I can find instructional on how to correct?
[19:37] <pleia2> michae1: are you using sudo?
[19:38] <michae1> yeah. and it installs it to root, not user ( me )
[19:38] <pleia2> where are you getting permission denied?
[19:39] <michae1> after I run the user-install.pl and open / access the app.
[19:40] <pleia2> open / ?
[19:40] <michae1> there's a lock on the desktop icon ( open ) and a lock on the directory in /opt ( access )
[19:40] <michae1> when I try either, I get the permissions denied message.
[19:41] <pleia2> unfortunately I don't know much about zimbra and telling you to arbitrarily chmod things until the user can run them would be unwise
[19:42] <pleia2> is there install documentation that came with it?
[19:42] <michae1> nope.
[19:43] <michae1> followed the directions on the zimbra forum right up until it mentioned "it's a permissions issue" but didn't ellaborate on how to adjust accordingly.
[19:43] <pleia2> http://www.zimbra.com/forums/installation-help/38181-zd-2-0-beta-linux-installation-f12.html seems to have some tips (search for user-install.pl)
[19:44] <pleia2> "chmod" is the command to change permissions on something, so to give all users read access you'd do something like: chmod o+r file.pl
[19:45] <pleia2> execute would be o+x (o == other users not in the file's group, so everyone), x == execute, r == read
[19:47] <michae1> be right back - got an idea...
[19:50] <michae1> last question for the session - is there a resource available that illustrates how to see what permissions are set where for who ( kind of a global permissions search )?
[19:51] <pleia2> you can figure it out per file, but you'd have to write a little script for something globally
[19:53] <pleia2> for the single file:
[19:53] <pleia2> elizabeth@r2d2:~$ ls -alh test/check.sh
[19:53] <pleia2> -rw-r--r-- 1 elizabeth video 184 2009-04-13 11:18 test/check.sh
[19:53] <pleia2> so it's read write for the owner (u), elizabeth, readable by the group video (g) and readable by everyone else (o)
[19:55] <pleia2> michae1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[19:58] <michae1> pleia2: yeah... uh... got through the first couple of lines and my eyes crossed. guess I need to find a dumbed down version for me who's trying to break away from the death clutch of winblows.
[19:59] <pleia2> michae1: if you open up gnome's file manager and click on "properties" of a file it should also show you permissions
[20:10] <michae1> pleia2: are you still available?
[20:11] <pleia2> michae1: somewhat, am at work :) what's up?
[20:12] <michae1> pleia2: never mind. know you got stuff to do to... will look more into chmod - zdesktop directory in my home direcotry is accessible only by root and me thinkst that's where the problem may lie...
[20:12] <michae1> thanks for the insight.
[20:13] <pleia2> perhaps, feel free to ask your questions anyway, there may be others here who can help :)
[20:13] <pleia2> good luck
[20:13] <michae1> what the worse that can happen. I'll have to reload the box...
[20:14] <pleia2> yeah, hopefully you can avoid that
[20:14] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> can anyone tell me the command to install a Brother MFC-255CW printer/scanner on 64bit
[20:15] <michae1> hey - it's not aiwndows box, so it's not like it's gonna go lurch on me. most of this is reverse engineer-fixable.
[20:26] <PabloRubianes> hi... anyone know how to...
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> I am asking something in name of a guy from uruguay...
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> Network problem
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> someone here?
[20:27] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> :-)
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> the thing is...
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> He has a server connected to internet via wireless modem
[20:28] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> that server is also connected to a router
[20:29] <PabloRubianes> and the router to other clients
[20:29] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok
[20:29] <PabloRubianes> he can see the server from the clients but he want to share the internet access
[20:29] <PabloRubianes> there's any way?
[20:29] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> so the sever is wireless but the other computer connections are wired
[20:30] <PabloRubianes> the only wireless is de modem
[20:30] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> share how
[20:30] <PabloRubianes> but that works
[20:30] <PabloRubianes> share as have internet access in the clients
[20:31] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> so the clients can not access the internet
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> no
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> that's the problem
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> the clients only access to the server
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> duanedesign: ping :P
[20:33] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> so they can access the server but not the internet
[20:33] <PabloRubianes> yes
[20:33] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> are the client computers setup to access the internet though a server
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> don't know that, what he had to setup to do that?
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> so I ask him...
[20:37] <cliff> I was wondering if there was anyway I could set up the keyboard shortcuts to a command that includes the compose key. This is hard to explain but I'll try. Suppose what I want for the shortcut to be is every time I press: winkey + a, the result (command) is: compose + ' + a, (which yields the result á). This would be very useful cause it takes the effort from 3 keys I press to 2. Does any1 have any idea if this is possible?
[20:39] <PabloRubianes> cliff: have you tried System- prefference- key conbination?
[20:39] <PabloRubianes> I don't know if is key combination because I have and spanish version...
[20:40] <cliff> I really dont know what that is, can u show me?
[20:41] <pedro3005> PabloRubianes, System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[20:41] <PabloRubianes> That one... Sorry I have the spanish version!
[20:41] <PabloRubianes> thanks pedro3005
[20:42] <cliff>  I just dont know how to write the command for: comp. + ' + a in the keyboard shortcuts to create as a custom...
[20:43] <cliff> I can already write and use comp key, its just thaat i need to use 3 keys to write á or ñ, etc and was wondering if I could shorten it with a keyboard shortcut down to 2...
[20:45] <pedro3005> cliff, hm.. well, try asking on ubuntuforums.org
[20:48] <cliff> I just did, right now... I dont know if it helps, but in what language are the commands written in? Maybe I can google it up as a command for the language it uses...
[20:50] <cliff> I'm just looking to see if I get lucky and it ends up being something like: print á or cout << "á"  or something like that...
[20:55] <michae1> pleia2: thank you...thank you...thank you. took me a while, but finally figured out how to get the chmod to work allowing me access to the zdesktop directory and being able to FINALLLY launch the app. did I say thank you?
[20:55] <pleia2> michae1: hooray! you're welcome :)
[20:56] <michae1> well, fortunately no blood, more sweat than I care for and almost came to tears!!! thank you for your help and patience and sorry for bothering you at work ( again ).
[20:56] <pleia2> no worries, glad to hear you got it figured out
[22:21] <drew212> i need some help getting my printer back online after upgrading to 10.04, anyone available?
[22:31] <drubin> drew212: what is your printer make and model
[22:36] <drew212> hp psc950
[22:36] <drew212> it worked in 9.10


[17:01] <thefunc5> other than fstab is there a better way to automount nfs shares on ubuntu-armhf?
[18:54] <mijk> hi, desperately looking for libmali.so.0.0.35
[18:54] <mijk> I have tried everything short of going to Best Buy and hoping that the display unit there has it still
[18:55] <mijk> on the Samsung Chromebook
 infinity </nag>


[13:03] <hamidlogis> hello everybody
[13:03] <hamidlogis> i am new
[13:03] <hamidlogis> and i want to be introduced to this channel
[13:04] <pleia2> hamidlogis: welcome :) you can find info about the project on our wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[13:06] <hamidlogis> thank you pleia@
[13:09] <hamidlogis> i found that next class will be 19March
[13:09] <pleia2> hamidlogis: yes
[13:10] <hamidlogis> and for now whats going on
[13:11] <pleia2> nothing, this channel is just for holding classes
[13:11] <pleia2> and talking about the project
[13:17] <hamidlogis> can you advise me a channel for discussing issues
[13:21] <pleia2> hamidlogis: what kind of issues?
[13:24] <hamidlogis> i have installed kde-core and after i´ve installed kubuntu-desktop and now i want to remove both of them i want to stay in Gnome
[13:25] <pleia2> ah, support is in #ubuntu
[14:42] <noren> hi all
[15:25] <Sattu> hello


[20:41] <daafies> hi all, would the latest edubuntu run ok on a celeron m1.2 ghz with 1G mem?
[20:44] <daafies> or is installing xubuntu  and ubuntu-edu-blah a better option?
[20:54] <daafies> awesome


[22:33] <pseudonymous> Baud_: are you sure though ? If your nvidia driver is running you should be able to poke about inside 'nvidia-settings'.. if that works then most likely you're just stuck with Ubuntu 2D @ the login screen. Make sure to select unity 3d when you log in
[22:33] <extrasolar> Baud_ yes it does sound like a graphics card/driver issue to me
[22:33] <pseudonymous> Baud_: basically, click the little arrow-thingie next to your name and you should see unity 3d in the list
[22:33] <extrasolar> pseudonymous gave a good tip
[22:34] <CoolerKing> hello.. my having a problem with my Intel Centrino Wireless-N 100 with iwlwifi kernel driver.. It shows networks but I'm unable to connect.. I read many threads that reported the same issue, and they suggested 'options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1' etc, but doesn't seem to work here.. anyone feel like helping out?
[22:34] <Baud_> Thanks! I hadent tried that yet xD
[22:34] <Baud_> I'll relog and give it a shot
[22:34] <Baud_> then facepalm if thats all i had to do
[22:34] <pseudonymous> Baud_: best of luck :D
[22:34] <Baud_> once more into the breach dear friends
[22:35] <extrasolar> CoolerKing can you describe you set-up?
[22:35] <CPUFixer> I fixed my CPU speed by installing cpufrequtils, and setting it on the setting that would be equal to MEDIUM of all things MEDIUM... So why wasn't ubuntu using even half of my CPU's capabilities?
[22:36] <CoolerKing> extrasolar: It's an Acer D257 netbook
[22:36] <baud__> No dice gentlemen
[22:36] <CoolerKing> extrasolar: with Ubuntu 12.04 with all updates
[22:36] <baud__> It had a list containing Ubuntu and Unity 2D
[22:36] <liam> o...i have the dumbest question; i am using terminal, trying to get broadcom firmware...one thing
[22:37] <liam> how or what is the character that is the straight line?
[22:37] <CPUFixer> Don't f*** with the firmware without a boot disc to repair it.
[22:37] <deadmund> pipe
[22:37] <deadmund> it's the key above the enter key + shift
[22:37] <deadmund> It looks like two broken vertical lines on the key, but in the terminal it draws a single vertical line
[22:37] <deadmund> liam: ^^
[22:37] <liam> backspace is above my enter key
[22:38] <deadmund> liam: http://www.davestechsupport.com/blog/images/pipesymbol.jpg
[22:38] <baud__> I suppose I could download whatever the newest drivers from nvidia's site are. they come in a .run file. How do you install things from a .run?
[22:39] <liam> thanks lads...
[22:39] <deadmund> sure
[22:39] <Jordan_U> CPUFixer: Please watch your language (obfuscated or otherwise). Also, in this case it's just the firmware in the Wireless card, which is lost when the hardware powers down anyway, so there's no real risk.
[22:40] <extrasolar>  CoolerKing have you seen this thread yet ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1821721
[22:40] <m1gu3l_> Hello
[22:40] <baud__> extrasolar, would it be possible to login using the ubuntu option then install compiz and other shenanigans?
[22:40] <extrasolar> chmod +x example.run
[22:40] <extrasolar> to install a run file
[22:41] <extrasolar> then ./example.run
[22:41] <baud__> oh thanks
[22:41] <extrasolar> it would
[22:41] <m1gu3l_> I had some problem with ubuntu 12.04.
[22:41] <zykotick9> baud__: just sayin' - installing nvidia.com's driver is probably a bad idea...
[22:41] <baud__> zykotick9, cant tell if sarcasm
[22:41] <extrasolar> lol
[22:42] <extrasolar> what laptop do you have baud_?
[22:42] <Luig1> Well thanks again for the help, folks. I'll be back some day soon :)
[22:42] <baud__> Thinkpad W520
[22:42] <baud__> pretty new and well supported (or so ive heard)
[22:42] <baud__> its got the optimus graphics
[22:43] <baud__> between an intel 3000
[22:43] <zykotick9> baud__: no sacrasm, just warning...
[22:43] <k1l> baud__: if you install the driver manually you wont get automated updates and you have to make a reinstall after every kernel update
[22:43] <extrasolar> oh I like it
[22:43] <baud__> zykotick9, lol oh god, thanks
[22:43] <baud__> between an intel and nvidia quadro m1000
[22:43] <MagicalMuffin> Anyone have luck installing windows games using wine ?
[22:44] <baud__> kil, well shit, seems like im stuck between a rock and a hardplace
[22:44] <IdleOne> !language | baud__
[22:44] <k1l> MagicalMuffin: depends on the game. see in the wine app database on which version and which workarounds you need
[22:44] <baud__> ubottu, sorry about that
[22:44] <David-A> baud__: the "latest" driver is not always the "right" driver
[22:44] <baud__> lol
[22:45] <baud__> ok
[22:45] <baud__> so whats my best option for getting proper usability out of my GUI?
[22:45] <baud__> if i cant install the drivers from nvidia
[22:45] <baud__> and my computer doesnt think i have any drivers  installed at all
[22:46] <lopsider> I also have an issue with my gui :(
[22:46] <MagicalMuffin> I can't get an emulator running right :P
[22:47] <extrasolar> baud_ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1757821
[22:47] <k1l> MagicalMuffin: see http://appdb.winehq.org/
[22:47] <extrasolar> this fella had your problem
[22:48] <extrasolar> may have to alter a BIOS setting
[22:48] <liam> another question...is there synaptic manager on new ubuntu? I can only find software centre
[22:48] <MagicalMuffin> there is
[22:48] <extrasolar> Baud_  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1757821
[22:48] <liam> there is....hmm..
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> liam  you have to install it
[22:48] <k1l> liam: maybe install it
[22:48] <zykotick9> liam: not by default - but you can install it
[22:48] <Baud_> just reloged to try the Ubuntu option
[22:49] <Baud_> still has this silly unity bar on the left
[22:49] <extrasolar> Baud_ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1757821
[22:49] <liam> ah...ok. and install in software centre?
[22:49] <Baud_> Well then
[22:49] <Baud_> extrasolar
[22:49] <Baud_> you are a gentlemen
[22:49] <k1l> Baud_: the unity desktop is not a gui problem
[22:49] <Baud_> and a scolar
[22:49] <FloodBot1> Baud_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:49] <extrasolar> I am a google master, yes
[22:49] <MagicalMuffin> :P
[22:49] <liam> thanks folks,,,again!
[22:49] <Baud_> kil, seems like a gui problem to me xD
[22:50] <extrasolar> technically it is not a GUI problem
[22:50] <k1l> !notunity | Baud_
[22:50] <Dot_> Hello
[22:50] <MagicalMuffin> Hey
[22:50] <Dot_> I'm aing trouble
[22:50] <MagicalMuffin> ?
[22:50] <Dot_> with running ubuntu from a CD
[22:50] <extrasolar> with?
[22:50] <MagicalMuffin> Really
[22:50] <MagicalMuffin> ???
[22:51] <fishbait> how do i find out whats randomly freezing my machine when i try to hibernate?
[22:51] <MagicalMuffin> I had no trouble
[22:51] <Dot_> It doesn't boot, I went into the BIOS and made CD the first boot, but it still doesnt work.
[22:51] <extrasolar> what's the error?
[22:51] <MagicalMuffin> Dot_
[22:51] <Dot_> Nothing happens, it just continues to go to Windows 7.\
[22:51] <extrasolar> Does it boot straight to the hard drive
[22:51] <extrasolar> are you saving the option?
[22:51] <MagicalMuffin> i think thats your problem
[22:51] <Dot_> No, I chaned it to boot to CD.
[22:51] <extrasolar> are you sure
[22:52] <Dot_> Yes I'm saving..
[22:52] <MagicalMuffin> I had to disable mine
[22:52] <extrasolar> if in doubt there is a usually a boot menu button (F12 on my laptop) that shows a boot menu
[22:52] <extrasolar> you can choose there
[22:52] <Dot_> Thats where I did it.
[22:52] <extrasolar> alternatively, disable every other way to boot instead of a CD
[22:53] <Dot_> disable? D:
[22:53] <extrasolar> yes you can reenable it again
[22:53] <MagicalMuffin> I think he has a older bios
[22:53] <Dot_> bleh, fine. I'll try
[22:53] <extrasolar> ah
[22:53] <extrasolar> WAIT
[22:53] <extrasolar> what laptop do you have?
[22:53] <Dot_> ?
[22:53] <Dot_> HP Pavilion
[22:53] <MagicalMuffin> Ug those :P
[22:53] <Dot_> It was on sale, I need it for school stuff >.>
[22:53] <MagicalMuffin> :D ok fine..
[22:53] <extrasolar> should be ok
[22:54] <MagicalMuffin> WAIT
[22:54] <extrasolar> if that's a problem
[22:54] <extrasolar> just use wubi
[22:54] <MagicalMuffin> Did you try wiping your hardrive yet ? completly
[22:54] <MonkeyDust> wubi :(
[22:54] <johnwerneken> hi i'm new again ti IRC aftger 15 years or so
[22:54] <johnwerneken> How To Send Private Message to someone?
[22:54] <extrasolar> good question
[22:54] <Dot_> I'm not installing Ubuntu, I'm running it alongside Windows
[22:54] <MagicalMuffin> Oh
[22:54] <MagicalMuffin> Fail >.<
[22:54] <extrasolar> Dot_ I recommmend using wubi first
[22:54] <MagicalMuffin> Yeah try that
[22:54] <extrasolar> then if you're comfortable install ubuntu to a partition
[22:54] <Dot_> johnwerneken, double click their name or type /query <nick>
[22:55] <akem> Dot_, one of the function key pops up a boot menu iirc
[22:55] <johnwerneken> @dot ty
[22:55] <MagicalMuffin> G2g :P
[22:55] <extrasolar> Dot_ http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer
[22:55] <liam> Thanks lads...i have to reboot, but i think i know what i am doing. i will return, either to ask for more help...or to say Thank You!!
[22:55] <fishcooker> is apt-mirror just the binary one
[22:55] <fishcooker> ?
[22:55] <johnwerneken> ubuntu has a multi-boot loader just like windows7's...works like wein8 but no win8 gui...its grub i think
[22:56] <extrasolar> yes it's called grub
[22:56] <fishbait> sometimes when i issue sudo pm-hibernate it freezes how do i find the problem :(
[22:56] <johnwerneken> any Grub experts? I have couple questions
[22:56] <johnwerneken> have had to re-image as I don't know enough
[22:56] <Dot_> I was told wubi wasn't as good as running it off a CD and dualbooting it.
[22:56] <extrasolar> Just ask the questions it's easier that way
[22:57] <extrasolar> Dot_ what do you mean good?
[22:57] <extrasolar> Dot_ it's a good 'start'
[22:57] <extrasolar> If you like just use it for a week
[22:57] <extrasolar> Then go into partitioning the hard drive
[22:57] <lopsider> is there a way to force a screen resolution?
[22:57] <Dot_> I'll probably use it for school and stuff.
[22:58] <extrasolar> lopsider http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1749177
[22:58] <extrasolar> Dot_ sure
[22:58] <johnwerneken> ok. Ubuntu installer gives a third option "other" to replace or instal as multi-boot, it has among other things a setting to set which side in dev (which I think means same as partition in windows, not sure) to let run the multi-boot. I want to know how to find out which one DOES run it, and how to change it if it gets switched or if I dislike the outcome...when it works not, at least I get a
[22:58] <johnwerneken> Grub command line
[22:59] <lopsider> ty extra i'll check it out
[22:59] <johnwerneken> Error was "unknown file system" when I chose the dev side with win8 and ITS multi-booter let me chose win7...then grub gave that unknown file system error
[23:00] <extrasolar> set the file system?
[23:00] <johnwerneken> Or to phrase it differently, how to use GRUB to re-set whether Grub or Windows handles the multi-boot...
[23:00] <extrasolar> you want grub to be in the master boot record?
[23:00] <extrasolar> or the windows one?
[23:01] <Jordan_U> johnwerneken: If you are talking about the option for where to install grub's boot secto, it should always go in the MBR (never in a partition).
[23:01] <johnwerneken> i don't know how to set a file system;
[23:01] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | johnwerneken
[23:01] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | johnwerneken
[23:02] <johnwerneken> the locations listing calls them all 'sides' under dev i think...it is not obvious which side refers to what patition or os and i'm not sure it clearly says which choicve is mbr
[23:02] <johnwerneken> bootinfo, pastebin ok
[23:02] <Baud_> so, I found a quicker way fo solving the problem i was having
[23:02] <Baud_> i treid changing the bios settings to use oinly integrated and my computer didnt agree.
[23:03] <bobweaver> Hello there is there a Portugese channel ?
[23:03] <Jordan_U> johnwerneken: I can't remember seeing Ubuntu's installer referring to anything as a "side". Can you post a screenshot of where in the installer you're seeing this?
[23:03] <Baud_> ran everything at 640x480
[23:03] <SJr> How do I download every package from a PPA?
[23:03] <Jordan_U> !pt | bobweaver
[23:03] <johnwerneken> ubottu i was just keyboard typing...i am asked to do otherwise when more than one line?
[23:03] <extrasolar> Baud_ good man
[23:03] <bobweaver> thanks
[23:03] <Baud_> then i changed in the bios to only use discrete graphics
[23:03] <Baud_> and now unity 3d
[23:03] <Baud_> or whatever this is
[23:03] <Baud_> works fine
[23:03] <FloodBot1> Baud_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:03] <extrasolar> excellent
[23:04] <Jordan_U> johnwerneken: I had ubottu give you the pastebin factoid so that you would know how to pastebin the RESULTS.txt file produced by boot info script.
[23:04] <extrasolar> I'd write that down just incase you need to reinstall :)
[23:04] <johnwerneken> jordan_u I'll have to re-run it to that point...I am not certain what it does when installer started WITHOUT ever haviing been completed; this hard drive is reimaged, no Ubuntu now
[23:04] <Baud_> now, if i stop using unity 3d, do i lose my snap to edges? I like the desktop cube better than this square ive got now
[23:04] <johnwerneken> jordan ty
[23:04] <extrasolar> stop using unity 3d as in logging into unity 2d?
[23:05] <Jordan_U> johnwerneken: Is there any reason you decided to do "something else" rather than just letting Ubuntu's installer configure things properly?
[23:05] <fishbait> sometimes when i issue sudo pm-hibernate it freezes how do i find the problem :(?
[23:05] <Baud_> I mean, I like some of the features that compiz has, but last time i used compiz, it didnt have any of the snap to half screen functionality that i have now
[23:05] <extrasolar> fishbait what is your setup ?
[23:06] <harovali1> is there a standard tool to rebuild the graphics install of an ubuntu 12.04 LTS ? it hangs at boot, formerly it booted fine for a couple of months
[23:06] <harovali1> it hangs but one can get a text command login
[23:06] <harovali1> but the gdm never starts up
[23:06] <fishbait> 80gb / 500gb swap and /home sudo pm-hibernate works it just freezes sometimes
[23:07] <extrasolar> what laptop do you have fishbait?
[23:07] <liam> Guys, just wanted to say thanks so much....got the wireless drivers installed easily. Turns out i needed to uninstall everything first, then install fwcutter, then drivers, then reboot
[23:07] <liam> so happy days....
[23:08] <fishbait> self built desktop
[23:08] <extrasolar> does the hibernate bring you like a black screen first?
[23:08] <fishbait> yep
[23:09] <johnwerneken> jordan_U: tried option3 because normasl instal was fine UNTIL tried access win7 from the multi-boot list Grub put on the screen and got "unknown file system" error, so I wanted to see if I could instal Ubunu and lerave the windows multi-booter in charge as I kknow a little about editing MBR from windows but not from Grub or anywhere else on Ubuntu...
[23:09] <xibalba> hey folks, how do i change my bash shell to say my full hsotname of the box?
[23:09] <johnwerneken> the error could not be repaired by me other than by re-imaging the drive...
[23:10] <extrasolar> fishbait can you show us the contents of lspci
[23:10] <extrasolar> Also what version of ubuntu is it?
[23:10] <fishbait> sure http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138683
[23:11] <johnwerneken> my ubuntu is whatever downloads...let me look...
[23:11] <amarcolino> can someone suggest a linux alternative to adobe fireworks as I need to open some png files
[23:11] <jblack> gimp?
[23:12] <extrasolar> amarcolino gimp or inkscape
[23:12] <xibalba> PS1="[\u@\H \W]\$" was my answer
[23:13] <amarcolino> extrasolar, jblack, png files made in fireworks with multiple layers and pages, don't think gimp lets me access those pages
[23:13] <DonaldShimoda> hiç
[23:13] <DonaldShimoda> anybody experience usb problems with virtualbox after the latest system update?
[23:14] <extrasolar> There is not direct replacement for FireWorks
[23:14] <extrasolar> I am afaird
[23:14] <extrasolar> there are alternatives though like GIMP and inkscape
[23:14] <extrasolar> A friend tells me xara xtreme is also good for vectors
[23:14] <johnwerneken> ubuntu version "#define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release amd64"
[23:15] <johnwerneken> or so it says on dvd-rw i burned it onto
[23:15] <amarcolino> extrasolar, jblack, nope it wont, I just get the first image
[23:15] <extrasolar> johnwerneken how are you getting on
[23:16] <Jordan_U> johnwerneken: OK. Please install Ubuntu using the automatic partitioning and if you still have an issue with booting Windows after that then run boot info script and pastebin the RESULTS.txt which it produces.
[23:16] <DonaldShimoda> anybody experience usb problems with virtualbox after the latest system update?
[23:16] <rrrrr> new to ubuntu
[23:16] <Draugauth> Need help with 12.04 LTS install.   After installing and booting up the top menu bar is blank and the icons are all missing.
[23:17] <extrasolar> right cick on the bar
[23:17] <rrrrr> someone knows a security program for ubuntu...something like a antivirus...or something like that
[23:17] <extrasolar> rrrrr no need for it
[23:17] <extrasolar> generally
[23:17] <johnwerneken> i am thinking do i want to restart unbunu installer to get screen shots of IT...I do not want to reinstal ubunu though until I have a way to fix boot errors as I can in windows (macrium mirror software willl auto-fix some mbr-related issues BCDEdit and a gui equivalent can fix others ...don't know how to use grub not yet though I have a url for Grub info, haven't looked yet...'
[23:17] <zykotick9> !virus | rrrrr
[23:17] <fishbait> extrasolar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138683 my lspci and ubuntu 12.04 lts
[23:18] <Draugauth> Need help with 12.04 LTS install.   After installing and booting up the top menu bar is blank and the icons are all missing.
[23:19] <johnwerneken> jordan it wirks fine that way switching ubuntu win8 and win8 server but it gets lost if i try to load win7...and if that happens again i have a 6 hour re-image problem or a 12 hour one if I update the mirror first, as I would if I tried it again without knowing FIRST how to resole the error...
[23:19] <rrrrr_> thanks ubottu
[23:20] <extrasolar> fishbait Did you make your swap space the same size as your ram?
[23:20] <Draugauth> anyone?
[23:20] <fishbait> extrasolar: twice the size of ram
[23:21] <extrasolar> Hibernate saves the contents of your RAM to your swap partition. Therefore, your swap partition must be at least as large as your RAM
[23:21] <extrasolar> oh
[23:21] <johnwerneken> aha i see how private chat works thanks guys
[23:22] <Draugauth> Need help with 12.04 LTS install.   After installing and booting up the top menu bar is blank and the icons are all missing.
[23:22] <extrasolar>  Draugauth does the unity side bar still appear?
[23:22] <extrasolar> is it just the notifications icons that are missing?
[23:22] <wilee-nilee> Draugauth, try alt-f2 and type in unity --reset
[23:23] <Draugauth> extrasolar:  No it doesn't.  I can right click on the menu bar and get the notification menus but no icons and no unity bar.
[23:23] <wilee-nilee> then enter of course
[23:23] <Draugauth> wilee-nilee:  Trying right now
[23:23] <extrasolar> fishbait does it freeze when you suspend or sleep too?
[23:24] <extrasolar> fishbait and have you looked in /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[23:24] <Draugauth> wilee-nilee:  Alt-F2 doesn't do anything
[23:24] <fishbait> not sure never tried it doesn't every time either and i will look in that log
[23:25] <wilee-nilee> Draugauth, you can do it from a terminal as well, it will run it again I believe when you close the terminal, you are resetting the unity desktop
[23:26] <Draugauth> wilee-nilee:  How can I bring up the terminal?
[23:26] <wilee-nilee> Draugauth, try alt-ctrl-t
[23:26] <lewis1711> some media players respond to laptop "hot keys" like the play button, next track button, etc etc. how is this done?
[23:26] <extrasolar> Draugauth type atrl+alt+f1
[23:27] <victoria_> hi
[23:27] <victoria_> hi from uruguay
[23:27] <amarcolino> can someone suggest a linux program that opens adobe fireworks png files?
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> extrasolar, that wil take them to a tty
[23:27] <extrasolar> yes
[23:27] <bustacap> How can I get my ubuntu to stop making my youtube videos fullscreen across both monitors, and just on one?
[23:27] <extrasolar> I know
[23:27] <extrasolar> still a terminal
[23:27] <Draugauth> wilee-nilee:  Ok that gave me the terminal.  just ran unity --reset    (compiz (decor) - Warn: failed to bind pixmap to texture)
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> extrasolar, then explain that not interject inbetween a command to do something else.
[23:28] <extrasolar>  wilee-nilee huh?
[23:28] <fishbait> extrasolar: could this be a clue it appears in multiple pm-suspend log files http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138706
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> extrasolar, it is a comand line yes but a different picture of what the user is exspecting.
[23:29] <extrasolar> well as long a terminal is up
[23:29] <bustacap> How can I get my ubuntu to stop making my youtube videos fullscreen across both monitors, and just on one?
[23:29] <lewis1711> hmmm it's a mystery, a bunch of threads asking the same question :)
[23:29] <Draugauth> wilee-nilee:  Ok it looks like the unity desktop is fubar for some reason on a new install.   would apt get work?   (got a screen full of errors and warns with the unity --reset command)
[23:29] <bustacap> lewis1711,  you talking to me?
[23:30] <Asad2005> i am having boot time delay from netwok connection. i tried commenting auto etho in network interfaces but eth0 did not start
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> Draugauth, have you run a update and checked the additional drivers as well, I wonder if this is a graphics problem.
[23:30] <fishbait> bustacap: thats a known bug with dual monitors one workaround is trying youtubes html5 player others are available via google
[23:30] <lewis1711> bustacap: myself sorta. sorry
[23:30] <Asad2005> its ubuntu 12.04 but not sure what upgrade affected boot time
[23:30] <bustacap> lewis1711, lol ok
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> Draugauth, others can probably be more helpful here to be honest.
[23:31] <Draugauth> wilee-nilee: Nvidia Gefore 7300 and the video drivers are loaded and working or at least that's what it said.    How can I run update from the command line?
[23:31] <bustacap> fishbait, ok, i just figured i'd ask here incase I was just retarded lol
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> Draugauth, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:31] <fishbait> bustacap no your not reatarded i have the same issue
[23:31] <rrrrr_> hy there
[23:32] <extrasolar> hibernate problems are usually due to graphic cards and periperals
[23:32] <rrrrr_> how can i get a good program for proxy
[23:32] <Draugauth> wilee-nilee: Ok I'll try that.  Thank you again.
[23:32] <extrasolar> try unplugging all cards and usbs and see if that helps
[23:32] <wilee-nilee> Draugauth, there is a 2d desktop choosen at login with a drop down as well, this may be where you go if needed while working on the problem.
[23:32] <extrasolar> also consider using tuxonice
[23:32] <fishbait> hmm i did notice some text something about not thaw async error -62
[23:33] <rrrrr_> anyone ?
[23:34] <Draugauth> wilee-nilee: ok will try using the 2D desktop.  Had to reboot as when I did a CTRL-C it locked up the terminal and desktop both.
[23:34] <bustacap> How do I remove a whole folder by command line?
[23:34] <fishbait> rrrr_: google nuff said
[23:34] <rubious> bustacap: rm -rf folder/
[23:34] <zykotick9> bustacap: "rm -r /path/folder"
[23:34] <rrrrr_> ok
[23:34] <extrasolar> bustacap rm -rf foldername
[23:34] <Draugauth> Hey the 2D option gave me the unity bar and all the notification icons etc.
[23:35] <bustacap> Thanks, the -rf is what I kept forgetting :P
[23:35] <Spazio> hi guys..i am trying to install wine on ubuntu 12.04 but i get an error message that the grub boot loader cannot be installed cause it was previously installed to a disk no longer present..it doesn't let me stop installation so dunno how to proceed..tnx :)
[23:35] <extrasolar> for more information type 'man rm'
[23:35] <fishbait> draugauth do you by chance use an amd/ati graphics card?
[23:35] <rrrrr_> what is the best webdesign program for linux/ubuntu ?\
[23:36] <Draugauth> fishbait:  Nope.  Nvidia Geforce 7300 on that system.
[23:36] <extrasolar> rrrrr learn HTML and CSS
[23:36] <extrasolar> then you'll be a great designer
[23:36] <fishbait> draugauth: check your graphics card drivers
[23:37] <fishbait> thats the only help i've got
[23:37] <extrasolar> (00:36:34) extrasolar: rrrrr learn HTML and CSS
[23:37] <shockingbehavur> is it possible to run 32-bit precise on a 64-bit machine i hear it works for both os would it run in the same way
[23:37] <MonkeyDust> shockingbehavur  you need ia32-libs
[23:37] <extrasolar> fishbait did you try unplugging ?
[23:37] <Draugauth> fishbait:  Nvidia accelerated graphics driver version 173 is active and in use.
[23:37] <extrasolar> shockingbehavur yes it works
[23:37] <fishbait> trying now
[23:38] <shockingbehavur> thanks to you both i get it done
[23:38] <rrrrr_> thanks extrasolar
[23:38] <Guest44106> oi
[23:38] <shockingbehavur> choice
[23:39] <extrasolar> remember to check the logs too
[23:39] <Draugauth> I'm switching back to ubuntu because Win7 decided to give me network problems again when I installed a dual port gigabit nic.
[23:39] <fishbait> ahh i think i found it something on my powered usb hub
[23:39] <[4-tea-2]> Hi, is there a new common bug relating to drop-down menus (precise, Unity)?
[23:40] <Fudge> hi has anyone had problems ubuntu precise where the output device for sound is lost and you have to go back and specify it to regain audio on the desktop?
[23:40] <FiZZilE> im trying to decide which flavour im going to get ubuntu or xubuntu, unity or xfce
[23:40] <Fudge> FiZZilE does your hardware dictate your choice?
[23:41] <FiZZilE> i like a bottom dock idea.. Fudge i have very good hardware
[23:41] <fishbait> extrasolar: thanks for the help i think i can find the problem device from her by just trying them 1 at a time
[23:41] <konradb> hi, how can I gen log me in Hamachi on ubuntu?
[23:41] <FiZZilE> Fudge: i was a big gnome 2 fan..
[23:41] <konradb> FiZZilE: freebsd then
[23:41] <konradb> ;d
[23:42] <FiZZilE> konradb: not that i still want to use gnome2 :P
[23:42] <extrasolar> FiZZilE see MATE
[23:42] <extrasolar> it is gnome 2 forled
[23:42] <extrasolar> forked
[23:42] <konradb> FiZZilE: on freebsd you can use what you want
[23:42] <FiZZilE> extrasolar: MATE?
[23:42] <extrasolar> fishbait it's ok
[23:42] <extrasolar> yeah
[23:43] <Fudge> but freebsd is stable gnome, not latest
[23:43] <extrasolar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(desktop_environment)
[23:43] <FiZZilE> konradb: yea maybe, but i dont quite have alot of experience so freebsd may not be so great
[23:43] <[4-tea-2]> When a Unity session has been running for a while here (a few hours), suddenly all kinds of drop-down menus stop to open, in applications and in the menu bar. Anybody seen something like that? It started only very recently. Definitely after the last Unity update.
[23:43] <Fudge> FiZZilE  you can install gnome fallback which is very fast or just try out xubuntu, its a good community
[23:44] <extrasolar> alternatively use debian 6.x
[23:44] <FiZZilE> Fudge: it seems as no one talks very good about unity lol
[23:44] <[4-tea-2]> I've used Unity exclusively since... uhm... 11.04?
[23:44] <Megas> Hi to all,i have installed a version of chromeOS brought by hexxex now i want to re-install ubuntu..but when i insert the liveusb he say Missing operating sistem..i tryed everything but still nothing..
[23:44] <FiZZilE> [4-tea-2]: how you find unity?
[23:45] <[4-tea-2]> FiZZilE: as long as it opens xterms and browser windows, I'm good.
[23:45] <extrasolar> Megas what method did you use to install the ISO to the usb stick?
[23:45] <[4-tea-2]> Well, menus would be nice, too.
[23:45] <Draugauth> Anyone know how to setup teaming on nics?
[23:45] <FiZZilE> is there a way to move unity's dock to the bottom of the screen?
[23:45] <Megas> I tryed Ubuntu live usb creator
[23:46] <[4-tea-2]> FiZZilE: But since it stopped working for me and nobody else knows anything about the bug I'm seeing, I guess I have to try something else now.
[23:46] <extrasolar> ok so when you attempt to boot to the usb stick, what error appears?
[23:46] <extrasolar> what happens?
[23:46] <Megas> It just say Missing operating sistem then chromeOS boot from the HDD
[23:47] <extrasolar> It sounds something went wrong here
[23:47] <extrasolar> I am afraid you need to install the OS to the usb stick again
[23:47] <Fudge> FiZZilE  I think its just a  case of getting used to it, I loved gnome2 classic but now am very comfortable with unity
[23:47] <Megas> I can't even run the live-pen
[23:47] <Megas> He dosent let me boot it
[23:47] <extrasolar> yes becuase it has no operating system
[23:48] <extrasolar> you need to put an ISO image on it
[23:48] <Draugauth> Anyone know how to setup teaming on nics?
[23:48] <Megas> I made it,with ubuntu live usb creator
[23:48] <extrasolar> how did you comfirm that the ISO was on the sick?
[23:48] <extrasolar> did you check?
[23:48] <Megas> Yep
[23:48] <extrasolar> how?
[23:48] <Megas> From another computer
[23:48] <FiZZilE> can you just use straight up gnome 3 in ubuntu? you know what i mean?
[23:49] <extrasolar> how though?
[23:49] <Megas> From the computer windows,wubi and all the other folders are in the stick
[23:49] <extrasolar> did you boot from the USB stick on another computer
[23:49] <Draugauth> Megas:  Can you use the usb drive to boot on another computer?
[23:49] <Jordan_U> !notunity | FiZZilE
[23:50] <Draugauth> Megas:  Also something I had problems with was use the Fat16/32 formats for the live usb drive.  I had to use NTFS to get my system to actually boot from it.
[23:50] <Megas> Nope he dosent let me do it either! I tryed on a windows 8 machine and a chromeOS they all do the same thing ''missing operating sistem''
[23:50] <extrasolar> Megas.....
[23:50] <extrasolar> you have no ISO on that usbstick
[23:50] <Draugauth> Megas:  Then the MBR is damaged.   Make a new USB Boot drive
[23:50] <extrasolar> Try pendrivelinux.com on windows
[23:50] <duhamel> I am running xubuntu 12.04 i am hoping to remote control my desktop from my android phone, i downloaded openssh to ubuntu and i have installed ubuntu remote control to android but when i try to connect through IP it tells me connection refused.
[23:51] <extrasolar> then boot to it
[23:51] <Draugauth> Anyone know how to setup teaming on nics?
[23:51] <duhamel> what am i doing wrong
[23:51] <duhamel> ?
[23:51] <Megas> Affermative i try NTFS format with that program
[23:51] <Megas> I will let you know what happen ty extrasolar and Draugauth :3
[23:51] <FiZZilE> Jordan_U: thank you i guess i'm going to install xubuntu and install gnome-shell and gnome-tweak-tools and try both xfce and gnome 3..
[23:52] <Draugauth> extrasolar:  Any idea on how to get Ubuntu to recognize it is on a desktop and not a laptop?  it claims my display is laptop /lol
[23:52] <Draugauth> Anyone know how to setup teaming on nics?
[23:53] <mbeierl1> Odd.  I am running ubuntu studio 12.04, with gnome-desktop-environment set as well, and I cannot get dual monitor support working anymore.  It worked on 11.10.  Right now it only allows me to position the two monitors in a desktop maximum 1366 x 1366
[23:53] <extrasolar> what thinks you have a laptop?
[23:53] <mbeierl1> xrandr states: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 1024, maximum 1366 x 1366
[23:53] <extrasolar> may have to be a bit more specific
[23:53] <Draugauth> extrasolar: System Settings - Displays
[23:54] <Megas> I will never-ever try a ChromeOS ._.
[23:54] <Megas> It's like burn all your hardware
[23:54] <cafree> Hi, I've got a HD hooked up to an external enclosure, via USB and can't seem to mount it.  I could have sworn this is something that auto-mounted in the past.
[23:55] <Megas> I think that even the Nasa computer is unable to view full HD video on that thing lol
[23:55] <duhamel> cafree: do you get an error message?
[23:55] <alabamahit> Hey guys got a problem with my 'mouse'. It lags across the screen...and at idea my cpu is at like 7%..(i7 2600k with gigabyte board) so shouldn't be up that high. not sure if they are related or not. best way to describe it is like watching a video on youtube and someone is recording their screen and the mouse seems to lag behind..
[23:55] <cafree> I'll check
[23:56] <Draugauth> extrasolar: System Settings - Displays
[23:56] <duhamel> I am running xubuntu 12.04 i am hoping to remote control my desktop from my android phone, i downloaded openssh to ubuntu and i have installed ubuntu remote control to android but when i try to connect through IP it tells me connection refused.
[23:56] <extrasolar> Draugauth so what laptop do you have?
[23:56] <extrasolar> are you trying to set up dual monitors or something?
[23:56] <Megas> Still the same error,Missing operating sistem extrasolar
[23:57] <extrasolar> Megas
[23:57] <extrasolar> ok
[23:57] <extrasolar> I shall walk you through this
[23:57] <extrasolar> What computer are you using now?
[23:57] <extrasolar> as you talk to me?
[23:57] <Megas> A windows notebook
[23:57] <extrasolar> ok
[23:58] <extrasolar> is the USB stick pluged into the windows notebook?
[23:58] <Megas> Yep
[23:58] <Draugauth> extrasolar: Don't have ubuntu running on a laptop.   It's a desktop system.   Asus P5NSLI with an Intel X6800.  8GB ram.  120GB SSD for the OS and Home.   Highpoint Rocketraid 3560 with 4 2TB drives running in R6.   Monitor is an Asus monitor
[23:58] <duhamel> megas: are you dual booting?
[23:59] <Megas> duhamel: No there is just chromeOS in the target netbook and in the computer that im using now only windows
[23:59] <extrasolar> o you need to download this http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/#button
[23:59] <extrasolar> it will install the ISO for you to the pen drive
[23:59] <Megas> I just can't get that livepen to book
[23:59] <Megas> boot*
[23:59] <Megas> ok extrasolar i try


[20:05] <tbruff13> can someone help me
[20:06] <tbruff13> I am making an edubuntu iso for my high school can i package KDE in edubuntu 10.04 without running into to many issues
[20:07] <tbruff13> also is there anyway i could make it so that teacher could choose a desktop environment and then remove the one they don't like without removing all programs that depend on it. for example lets says someone does not want KDE how can they remove that without removing all KDE programs like Kmplot
[20:16] <tbruff13> is anyone in this channel
[20:18] <alkisg> 24 persons, yeap
[20:47] <tbruff13> alkisg: can you help
[20:47] <tbruff13> me
[20:47] <tbruff13> also is there anyway i could make it so that teacher could choose a desktop environment and then remove the one they don't like without removing all programs that depend on it. for example lets says someone does not want KDE how can they remove that without removing all KDE programs like Kmplot
[20:47] <tbruff13> how can i do that
[20:48] <tbruff13> i just copied and pasted so it does not look right but i need to know
[20:51] <tbruff13> hello can anyone help me please
[20:54] <alkisg> tbruff13: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[20:54] <alkisg> That's how you remove KDE completely. Keep the packages you want, or reinstall them later.
[20:55] <alkisg> But that's unrelated to #edubuntu, you can ask in #ubuntu instead.
[20:55] <tbruff13> alkisg: also i need help
[20:56] <tbruff13> how would i remove Gnome environment but key kubuntu
[20:56] <tbruff13> i need to be able to let teachers do it both ways
[20:56] <alkisg> For that too, ask in #ubuntu
[20:57] <alkisg> Or read the link I posted above
[20:57] <tbruff13> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[20:57] <tbruff13> will that work
[20:57] <tbruff13> let me try it
[20:57] <tbruff13> I am running edubuntu in vbox so i can create a screenshot and then go back to it if i screw up
[20:57] <alkisg> But remember that there's no need to install all that just in order to remove it later on
[20:57] <alkisg> Either keep the desktop environments you want, and select them from the login screen,
[20:58] <alkisg> or use live CDs to see which suits you better, before installing it
[20:58] <tbruff13> alkisg: you are not getting it though i am creating this disc for my whole school
[20:58] <tbruff13> I don't know what other people will like so i have to give them a way to remove the one they don't like
[20:58] <alkisg> You're not getting it though, that's not the correct way to do it
[20:59] <alkisg> Giving the ability to add stuff is preferrable than the ability to remove stuff
[21:00] <tbruff13> alkisg: yeah but how am i supposed to tell them to add kubuntu when they have never tried it
[21:00] <tbruff13> you see how i am stuck
[21:00] <alkisg> That's what live CDs are for
[21:02] <tbruff13> alkisg: i am creating a live cd
[21:02] <tbruff13> for my school
[21:02] <tbruff13> they do not want to use the default oner
[21:02] <alkisg> Yes, I understand, many people do that here too. And I'm telling you that it's not the right way to do it, to add everything and tell them to remove stuff with a huge command line.
[21:03] <alkisg> But whatever suits you...
[21:03] <tbruff13> alkisg: i am not telling to remove with command line i am telling to remove with synaptic or software center
[21:03] <tbruff13> i am doing the best i can
[21:04] <alkisg> sudo apt-get --purge remove alacarte checkbox-gtk dcraw eog evince file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdebi gdm gdm-2.20 gedit gnome-about gnome-applets gnome-control-center gnome-icon-theme gnome-media gnome-menus gnome-nettool gnome-panel gnome-power-manager gnome-session gnome-session-canberra gnome-system-monitor gnome-system-tools gnome-terminal gnome-themes-selected gnome-themes-ubuntu gnome-utils gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-a
[21:04] <alkisg> ...I'm sure that didn't fit here
[21:04] <alkisg> You're telling them to remove 50 packages from synaptic?
[21:05] <tbruff13> i thought removing kubuntu-desktop would remove only the desktop and no dependencies
[21:05] <alkisg> Try reading the link I pasted
[21:05] <tbruff13> alkisg: what i am trying to do is give them a choice
[21:05] <tbruff13> i did read it
[21:05] <alkisg> Didn't you see the big command line there?
[21:06] <tbruff13> yeah i did
[21:06] <alkisg> Also, how are you planning to create the live cd?
[21:06] <tbruff13> i just thought that if they just removed the package kubuntu-desktop
[21:06] <tbruff13> with a program called aptoncd
[21:07] <alkisg> I don't think aptoncd creates live cds
[21:07] <alkisg> It just puts packages in CDs
[21:07] <tbruff13> alkisg: i am still working on this
[21:07] <tbruff13> I need a program that creates live CDs i am going to try aptoncd
[21:09] <alkisg> Well... you didn't select a correct way to try all this, but you do sound ethousiastic about it. Good luck.
[21:09] <tbruff13> alkisg: well im sorry
[21:09] <tbruff13> im doing what i can
[21:10] <alkisg> Yup. Go for it.
[21:10] <tbruff13> alkisg: if it doesn't work i fail my senior year in high school
[21:10] <alkisg> Why, is it a project?
[21:11] <tbruff13> alkisg: it is my senior project
[21:11] <tbruff13> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Project
[21:12] <alkisg> Gotcha... you might want to search something else than aptoncd though, it doesn't do what you want.
[21:13] <tbruff13> alkisg: will http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html work
[21:14] <alkisg> Remastersys is more close to what you're looking for, yes, it might work for you
[21:15] <tbruff13> alkisg: what about including both kubuntu and Gnome
[21:15] <tbruff13> and then making them both removeable
[21:15] <tbruff13> the issue is teacher want to be able to remove KDE with out removing KDE based programs like kmplot from Gnome
[21:15] <alkisg> tbruff13: I think your first question to yourself should be, "what am I trying to offer my users, that they can't already get from the existing live CDs"?
[21:16] <stgraber> tbruff13, alkisg: remastersys may do what you want, though the now recommended way of doing it is with ubuntu-defaults-image which is an official tool introduced in 11.10 that's used to build some of the official "custom" images like the Chinese remix
[21:16] <stgraber> though don't ask me about it, I never used it other than being in the session where its specifications have been discussed :)
[21:16] <alkisg> Hehe... /me will have a look in it, for 12.04 :)
[21:16] <tbruff13> alkisg: I am trying to offer a customized system with less bloat that is made for high school level
[21:16] <stgraber> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/ubuntu-defaults-image.1.html seems to be the closest thing to documentation I could find about it
[21:16] <alkisg> Less bloat == many desktop environments?
[21:17] <alkisg> And, how do you define "bloat"? What would you remove?
[21:17] <tbruff13> alkisg: i know but when i say less bloat i mean removing useless preschool packages
[21:17] <tbruff13> and adding things to make the switch easier
[21:18] <tbruff13> like ubuntu restricted extras
[21:18] <tbruff13> by default
[21:18] <tbruff13> stgraber: can i get it to work on 10.04
[21:19] <stgraber> tbruff13: maybe, I know it doesn't exist in 10.04 but that doesn't mean you can't get it to run on it. As I said, I never used it myself ;)
[21:19] <alkisg> You don't have permission to distribute some of those -extras though, would your teacher agree in illegal distribution?
[21:19] <stgraber> tbruff13: also, be careful about the legality of what you're doing, there's a good reason why we don't include ubuntu-restricted-extras by defualt
[21:20] <stgraber> *default
[21:20] <tbruff13> alkisg: i have handled the legal issues
[21:20] <tbruff13> with the companies
[21:20] <tbruff13> through emails and phone calls
[21:21] <tbruff13> all things installed in the package ubuntu-restricted-extras I can use as long as a present a copy of the EULA with the disc and I will
[21:22] <alkisg> I would find it more useful to install a system with all available DEs somewhere in the school, to offer anyone the ability to login via e.g. x2go (even from windows PCs), and when they find the desktop environment they like, they can just get/use its normal live CD.
[21:23] <tbruff13> alkisg: i thing what i am going to do is not include KDE, but put it in the notes on my project
[21:23] <tbruff13> and give instructions on how to get it
[21:24] <tbruff13> alkisg: can you give me instructions on how to do things your way
[21:24] <alkisg> tbruff13: my way is not to create a live cd :)
[21:25] <alkisg> I'm using a global repository for my schools, and package my "solutions" there
[21:25] <alkisg> But I may try that ubuntu-defaults-image in 12.04...
[21:25] <tbruff13> alkisg: it is to late to not create a live cd
[21:25] <tbruff13> It is already in my project paper that i will do so
[21:26] <alkisg> Read that page: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/ubuntu-defaults-template.1.html
[21:26] <alkisg> Packages, default applications, bookmarks, it's a long list
[21:26] <alkisg> You can probably use that.
[21:26] <tbruff13> alkisg: if i can figure out how
[21:27] <tbruff13> my mentor can help me do this
[21:28] <alkisg> This might help too (about the same method): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools
[21:31] <tbruff13> thanks
[21:35] <tbruff13> alkisg: is there anyway i can have teachers try kde over the internet like they can with edubuntu like weblive
[21:37] <tbruff13> alkisg: are you there
[21:41] <alkisg> tbruff13: yes, that's what I said above with x2go and nx
[21:41] <tbruff13> alkisg: okay let me check it out
[21:45] <tbruff13> alkisg: i have no server to work with
[21:46] <alkisg> That would be a problem. Any ordinary pc would do, ask your teacher/mentor if he can provide you with one.
[21:46] <tbruff13> hey alkisg could i run this in an Ubuntu Advantage cloud server
[21:46] <alkisg> No idea. Anyway, time to go. Good luck.
[21:46] <tbruff13> my school is going to buy Ubuntu Advantage
[21:46] <tbruff13> bye


[09:14] <iGoodtimz> i was wondering if there was anything that I could create for the next release of ubuntu, eg logos etc
[09:56] <vish> [01:39] <kwwii> so who is coming to Bamberg Germany on the 23rd to see my concert?
[09:56] <vish> kwwii¦ ooh! when is the concert?
[09:56] <vish> not that i would be attending.. ;p
[10:04] <daker> vish, anything about the DesignHub ?
[10:05] <vish> doctormo , thorwil¦ daker would like to help us out, with the design hub..  Html/CSS/JQuery  are his playgrounds :)
[10:06] <vish> daker¦ nothing new, just planning still..
[10:06] <thorwil> daker: still in early planning stages
[10:06] <vish> oh , how well thorwil and my planning align! ;p
[10:07] <daker> also if you will use django i am in
[10:07] <thorwil> daker: do you know something like http://github.com/jgm/gitit#readme in other languages? i guess i don't have to ask you about haskell :)
[10:09] <thorwil> daker: doctormo has experience with django, too. and on my blog post about frameworks, i got only 2 comments, both in favor of django
[10:10] <daker> +1 for me
[10:13] <daker> thorwil, no i don't
[10:15] <thorwil> i figure, if we store assets (submissions) in git or bzr, the same could be done for page content, too
[10:16] <thorwil> but i don't know enough about how one would combine revision control and database
[10:18] <daker> if i understand you would like to use bzr/git to store assets insted of the server/database
[10:19] <daker> right ?
[10:19] <thorwil> daker: yes. i assume that bzr/git are much more efficient at storing changes over time.
[10:20] <thorwil> also, if someone submits derivative work, it would be great to model that as branching
[10:21] <thorwil> not to forget that pushing and pulling assets without using the web interface would be abig plus
[10:21] <daker> yeah
[10:22] <thorwil> what i currently have in mind is a component system similar to what some frameworks offer. lets call them blocks
[10:22] <thorwil> a whole page, a section of content or an uploaded file would all be blocks
[10:23] <thorwil> so you have blocks inside blocks, in various combinations
[10:23] <thorwil> access rights and revision control could happen per block
[10:24] <thorwil> say you have a template for projects of a specific kind. to create new pages with that template could perhaps involve branching it
[10:25] <daker> is there any blueprint for that ?
[10:26] <daker> in another way are you going to disucss it in UDS ?
[10:26] <thorwil> daker: no. i havn't discussed this with anyone, yet. maybe it would be a grat system. maybe it would be overkill and too hard to do
[10:27] <thorwil> daker: i will surely discuss this with doctormo and vish, but outside sessions, most likely
[10:28] <daker> thorwil, oki
[10:30] <thorwil> though there are 3 blueprints where one could bring it up, perhaps. not on technical level
[10:30] <thorwil> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-community
[10:30] <thorwil> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-design-in-open-source
[10:30] <thorwil> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-research-to-design
[10:32]  * daker is looking
[10:33] <thorwil> they are all stubs, so far
[10:37] <vish> thorwil¦ the mighty andreasn will also be there :-)
[10:37] <andreasn> hello
[10:38] <andreasn> mighty, and mighty...
[10:38] <andreasn> :)
[10:38] <thorwil> hi andreasn
[10:38] <thorwil> yes, saw the wiki edit, too
[10:39] <andreasn> subscribed to the blueprints above
[10:39] <vish> thorwil¦ i think he is there for thunderbird, he was discussing it earlier a week or two ago.. the edit just reminded me  ;)
[10:40] <vish> hehe, it will be funny if we switch from FF » chrome and evolution » TB for Natty ;p
[10:41] <thorwil> and from linux to hurd!
[10:41] <thorwil> and ship duke nukem forever open-source edition
[10:42] <andreasn> :)
[10:42] <andreasn> I want to talk, GNOME, Thunderbird and design during the week
[10:43] <thorwil> well, Evolutions smells funny, but the cost of switching seems just a little too high to me, personally. though i made my mother use TB :)
[10:43] <andreasn> it will be great to meet you guys in person
[10:43] <thorwil> yes
[11:16] <doctormo> thorwil, daker, vish: Morning
[11:17] <vish> o/
[11:19] <daker> morning doctormo
[11:20] <doctormo> A week before we started talking about this sort of art submission website I was experimenting with a website
[11:20] <doctormo> http://imagebin.ca/view/aBmfe7.html <- the idea was to have a website where submissions could have a one click packaging button.
[11:22] <doctormo> There was a software center patch with generative 100x600 thumbnails and some clever reverse dep control on enhances to list out what was one of these sorts of packages.
[11:22] <doctormo> I just wanted to throw this into the pile because the html/css/js and django might be useful for an art site. Or as a reference.
[11:23] <daker> yes
[11:28] <thorwil> morning doctormo
[11:29]  * thorwil adds packaging to workflow thoughts
[11:35] <doctormo> https://code.launchpad.net/~doctormo/doctormo-random/art-management-packaging <- pushed code in temporary location.
[11:35] <doctormo> thorwil: do you do much packaging?
[11:36] <thorwil> doctormo: none so far. it's on my learn-enough-once-you-need-it list :)
[11:37] <doctormo> Ah ok, well part of the problem with packages is that you can't stick images into the index, so no thumbnails by default and no category indexing.
[11:43] <thorwil> doctormo: my current briefing proposal reads "Foster quality and quantity of design efforts in the Free Software and Open-Source realm." as underlying goal
[11:43] <thorwil> and "Create, deploy and maintain a website for managing design processes and assets." to be more specific
[11:49] <doctormo> thorwil: Deployment and publishing ease would foster quality and quanitity.
[11:49] <doctormo> Or am I misreading you
[11:51] <thorwil> no, you just show how a good briefing works, i think :)
[12:10] <thorwil> are social hurdles to participation in design efforts an issue? what would those be?
[12:26] <Schendje> thorwil: do you mean online or offline?
[12:26] <Schendje> thorwil: btw, where are you writing this, it sounds really interesting :)
[12:26] <thorwil> Schendje: online
[12:27] <thorwil> Schendje: currently a text file on my desktop. perhaps a blog post later on. all still far away from implementation
[12:28] <Schendje> thorwil: heh, ok :)
[12:29] <Schendje> thorwil: i'm doing an internship at red hat for which i'm doing a little research on design in the foss world
[12:29] <Schendje> thorwil: so that's why i'm interested ;)
[12:30] <thorwil> i see
[12:30] <thorwil> Schendje: i'll be all ears what you found out
[12:31] <Schendje> thorwil: sure
[12:31] <Schendje> thorwil: can i talk to you in the upcoming weeks about design in the ubuntu community?
[12:32] <thorwil> Schendje: sure. you should know the following post, then: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/ubuntu-artwork-crisis/
[12:33] <Schendje> thorwil: yeah, i do :)
[12:33] <Schendje> thorwil: it's um, troubling :(
[12:42] <doctormo> thorwil: I think there will be two social issues, clique avoidance and appreciation encouragement. We may also get a smaller problem with artists who aren't very good yet, but who's egos are burnt by being told they're not good enough yet.
[12:48] <thorwil> doctormo: what do you mean with appreciation encouragement?
[12:48] <doctormo> thorwil: Someone posts an image, it's really cool, 200 people look at it, no one comments.
[12:48] <thorwil> good points, i changed "social hurdles" to "social issues"
[12:48] <thorwil> ah, yes
[12:50] <doctormo> thorwil: Could you send me a note and a comment on deviantArt and I'll try and clean up your dA no email bug.
[12:51] <thorwil> doctormo: with what content? it's a bug? i thought it's an intentional lack by deviantart
[12:52] <doctormo> thorwil: It's a bug to me, even if it's not to them ;-)
[12:52] <doctormo> I love hacking deviantArt, I have my own stylish css to cut out the crap they put on there.
[12:54] <thorwil> doctormo: your nick as Recipient should work, right?
[12:54] <doctormo> yep
[12:54] <doctormo> and a comment on Ubunchu 07 should do :-)
[12:58] <thorwil> untypical one-word comment, done!
[12:59] <thorwil> though, inactive as i am there, if found it's a non-issue, checking at most once a week. always to find nothing of interest :)
[13:05] <doctormo> thorwil: This is something that annoys me tbh, having to check up on it all the time.
[15:09] <vish> thorwil , doctormo : https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-reviving-artwork-team/
[15:10] <doctormo> vish: I'm not sure revival is the right word, because it's not dead is it.
[15:10] <doctormo> Work still happens, processes are known, leadership is here. ish.
[15:10] <vish> ;)
[15:12] <vish> doctormo¦ Re-energize ?
[15:13] <vish>  or .. Invigorate ?
[15:13] <doctormo> vish: Reinvigorate
[15:13] <vish> :)
[15:13] <doctormo> I justed finished a set of python code which allows full access to deviantArt's json, Mwhahaha. they put all sorts of roadblocks up too.
[15:16] <TheTinyToon> doctormo: which techniques did they try to block you?
[15:19] <doctormo> TheTinyToon: Just weird stuff like only accepting certain browsers (wget is blocked for instance) and the json/difi is pretty odd too, obscure or baddly hacked together.
[15:19] <TheTinyToon> ah, okay - so no real techniques, only stupidety? ;)
[15:27] <vish> thorwil , doctormo¦ i updated the spec and included a few items to the whiteboard, feel free to add more items..
[15:27] <vish> oh new link.. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-reinvigorate-artwork-team
[15:49] <doctormo> TheTinyToon: It's a bit hard to tell the difference to be honest, because some website makers till have their belief that they should be the ones to control how data is used on the client. Internet fail.
[17:09] <thorwil> blocking wget? it has a flag for a browser string, doesn't it?
[17:17] <vish> kwwii¦ can you update the topic..? :)
[17:17] <vish> 'fonts'
[18:37]  * thorwil wonders about an appropriate movie star/icon
[18:38] <vish> TheTinyToon¦ context?
[18:38] <vish> err, thorwil ^
[18:38] <thorwil> vish: see recent email from Marianna
[18:39] <vish> thorwil¦ the movie and pizza? ha!
[18:40] <thorwil> vish: no, party on friday. theme party 0.o
[18:45] <vish> thorwil¦ dude! i need to figure out when you are kidding and when you are serious! ;p
[18:45] <vish> oh wait you were serious!
[18:46] <thorwil> vish: people have been struggling with that in real life, but here, i don't know why you wonder ...
[18:46] <vish> thorwil¦ i thought were joking, i hadnt checked the party attachment until now :)
[18:48] <thorwil> vish: i thought about going as marilyn monroe, blonde wig, white dress. maybe a fan (the air moving kind) for assistance.
[18:49] <thorwil> but then, if i travel without shaver like last time, i'll be a bit rugged by then!
[18:49] <vish> thorwil¦ you can always buy a razor ;)


[03:17] <tsimonq2> pleia2: looks like it is time again! :D
[03:25] <tsimonq2> pleia2: or is it?
[03:26] <tsimonq2> pleia2: can you clarify whether we are doing one this week?
[16:33] <pleia2> tsimonq2: I'll see how it looks at the end of the weekend, either way the summaries need to be written :)
[19:58] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[23:13] <tsimonq2> pleia2, wxl: looks like I was late to the party :D
[23:13] <tsimonq2> ONE left for me to do
[23:13] <tsimonq2> :P :)
[23:16] <tsimonq2> well, not all weeks am I gonna be the first ;)
[23:16] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


[00:51] <lduros> hello: is there a way when running bzr log to have a less-like pager
[00:51] <lduros> akin to git log?
[00:51] <lduros> it's dumping the whole revision log
[00:51] <lduros> currently
[00:54] <lduros> i'm using bzr qlog
[00:54] <lduros> but it would be nice to be able to do something like that from the terminal :-)
[01:01] <bob2> you can pipe to less
[01:01] <bob2> or there's a plugin
[01:24] <lduros> bob2: ok
[01:24] <lduros> bzr log | less
[01:24] <lduros> :-P
[01:24] <lduros> obviously... thanks
[05:12] <fullermd> Heh.  Just found a dirstate branch/repo lying around.
[05:18] <mgrandi> oh?
[05:20] <fullermd> It's probably not the only one.  But it's been some years since the last one I found.
[05:20] <mgrandi> what is a dirstate branch/repo
[05:20] <lifeless> fullermd: a branch to hack on dirstate, or a dirstate one ? and by dirstate do you mean packs ?
[05:21] <fullermd> lifeless: The latter.  And no, straight-up knits.
[05:21] <lifeless> mgrandi: dirstate is the codename for the working tree metadata file format.
[05:21] <lifeless> fullermd: wwwwin
[05:21] <fullermd> I sure hope I don't have any weaves still around.
[05:21] <mgrandi> ah
[05:22] <fullermd> mgrandi: Basically, a really old format.
[05:23] <fullermd> I think it basically proves that my $HOME is a dangerous neighborhood that it's best not to wander around in...
[06:33] <vila> hi all
[07:01] <mgz> morning!
[07:12] <jelmer> hey mgz
[07:14]  * mgz wombles around
[07:21] <vila> hey jelmer, mgz !
[10:54] <jml> ehy
[10:54] <jml> is there an easy way to get the diff between a merged revision and the tip of the branch that it merges in?
[10:55] <jml> I mean, bzr log -n0 -r $MERGE_REV will get me the tip of the branch's revno
[10:55] <jml> and then I can do a diff
[10:57] <mgz> do you mean like `bzr diff -r mainline:2.1.1` for instance?
[10:58] <mgz> I'm not quite sure which two revisions you want the diff between
[10:59] <mgz> jml: in your example, what is $MERGE_REV and what is the final diff command you run?
[10:59] <jml> umm...
[11:00] <jml> lp:subunit r165 is where lifeless merged a branch of mine in, making changes first
[11:00] <mgz> ah, that's the painful case then
[11:00] <mgz> you want to see what lifeless did right?
[11:00] <jml> bzr log -n0 -r165 |head to get the tip revision of my branchh
[11:00] <jml> mgz: yeah
[11:01] <jml> which turns out to be 162.2.26
[11:01] <mgz> there's no general case that works for that.
[11:01] <jml> and then bzr di -r 162.2.26..165
[11:01] <jml> mgz: because bzr allows arbitrary numbers of revision parents?
[11:01] <mgz> because you get the 163..164 changes mixed in as well
[11:01] <jml> ah
[11:01] <mgz> that's okay when the branch merged is pretty fresh
[11:08] <mgz> (or when you merge trunk like you did there)
[11:09] <mgz> I'm not seeing any way of getting to r162.2.26 from r165 either though.
[11:12] <mgz> given there may be more than one (left hand? I forget the term) parent, I'm not sure there is a command line way
[11:35] <lifeless> jml: difftastic
[11:35] <lifeless> mgz: ^
[11:35] <lifeless> abently wrote the general case as a plugin
[11:38] <mgz> lifeless: where is this to be found? <https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=difftastic> doesn't help.
[11:38] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/difftacular/trunk
[11:38] <mgz> ah, difftactular
[11:38] <lifeless> wrong name
[11:39] <lifeless> doesn't stick in my head for sime reason
[11:39] <mgz> leonardr happened to make the same slip in that review
[11:41] <jml> heh
[11:43] <lifeless> it might be nice to put that in the bzr plugin register, add to the bazaar project etc, but talk to abentley
[11:44] <lifeless> (it may be already, I dunno)
[13:26] <lduros> every time I commit using VC in emacs (C-x v v) or do bzr commit, it pushes in the same time to the remote branch
[13:26] <lduros> how can I prevent that? :-)
[13:28] <mgz> unbind your local branch
[13:29] <jml> how do I set the public location of a branch?
[13:30] <lduros> mgz: ok
[13:30] <lduros> bzr unbind ... so easy :-)
[13:30] <mgz> lduros: you might instead want to work in feature branches, then merge them in to the bound trunk and commit when done
[13:30] <lduros> I don't see why ppl love git so much
[13:30] <lduros> mgz: hmm, that might make sense
[13:31] <mgz> jml: there's a config command that works I think, sec
[13:31] <mgz> people love git because dvcses are great
[13:33] <mgz> jml: `bzr config public_branch=lp:foo`
[13:33] <lduros> mgz: it's like saying people only like apples, but in fact what they like in the apple is the concept of fruit?
[13:34] <mgz> with the caveat I'm not sure lp: actually works depending on when it gets resolved to bzr+ssh: exactly
[13:34] <mgz> lduros: yup, but apples are all they have growing in the garden
[13:34] <lduros> :-P
[13:34] <lduros> and it's one of the fruits with the most pesticides
[13:35] <lduros> bzr is more like organic strawberries
[13:37] <jml> mgz: ta
[13:37] <jml> mgz: I always forget which has _branch and which has _location
[13:38] <vila> jml: just use 'bzr config' and you get them all
[13:38] <mgz> vila: only if it's already set...
[13:38] <vila> rhaaa, public, sry
[13:54] <LarstiQ> jml: yeah, it would be nice to clean _branch vs _location up
[16:59] <pikkachu> when you're about to merge an old branch, do you merge upstream changes into the old branch first, or do you just merge the old branch directly?
[17:04] <mgz> pikkachu: generally just merge the old branch directly and resolve any conflicts
[17:04] <mgz> for some landing systems (like pqm which lp:bzr uses) you want to merge trunk first because the landing robot isn't smart enough to handle conflicts
[17:20] <pikkachu> ok thanks


[07:25] <juergh> akselmo, creating the patch from the code snippet in the ticket is the easy part. coming up with a justification why it's needed not so much without knowing anything about it ;-)
[13:32] <nemo> Hey folks. I encountered rpeated crash in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS when they reboot one of the remote CIFS mounts that looks a lot like https://www.suse.com/support/kb/doc/?id=000019780
[13:32] <nemo> https://github.com/openSUSE/kernel/commit/a52930353eaf443489a350a135c5525a4acbbf56#diff-365e109294d97a19e9458fa962d35d39ee87651aa464ad34c68606d81783c170
[13:32] <nemo> I was wondering if this never got pushed upstream
[13:33] <nemo> Could someone help me locate the branch for 20.04 LTS 5.40.0-80 x86_64 so I could look over that section?
[13:33] <nemo> fs/cifs/connect.c
[13:34] <nemo> symptoms are super annoying at present since mounts just hang and rebooting seems only fix.
[13:34] <nemo> (our current workaround is just to leave the windows mounts active only briefly on Ubuntu 20.04)
[14:01] <mhcerri> hi, nemo. you can find the source here: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/focal/log/?h=Ubuntu-5.4.0-80.90
[14:03] <nemo> mhcerri: thank you
[14:03] <mhcerri> nemo, I think we have this commit in the version in proposed as by https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1935833
[14:04] <nemo> mhcerri: oooh even better
[14:04] <nemo> good to have someone experieinced looking at it
[14:04] <nemo> mhcerri: so it'll be in  backports shortly?
[14:04] <mhcerri> let me check the proposed version to confirm
[14:04] <nemo> mhcerri: interesting. reported only recently. The opensuse one was fixed last summer
[14:05] <nemo> I wonder how often things like this fail to make it back upstream ☹
[14:07] <nemo> hm.
[14:07] <nemo> I wonder how similar the OpenSUSE code is to the ubuntu
[14:07] <nemo> let's see ☺
[14:07] <mhcerri> nemo, yeah. this commit in included in 5.4.0-81.9
[14:08] <mhcerri> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/focal/log/?h=Ubuntu-5.4.0-81.91&qt=grep&q=cifs
[14:08] <nemo> man. this was driving us bonkers for like a month
[14:08] <nemo> moutn hangs, reboot, mount hangs, reboot
[14:09] <nemo> finally made a sudo script to load mounts on demand as needed
[14:09] <nemo> but good to know. thanks!
[14:09] <mhcerri> nemo, if you want you can try to install the version in focal-proposed to confirm it fixes it. this version is scheduled to be released next week
[14:10] <nemo> mhcerri: could do that in test perhaps
[14:10] <nemo> Loool
[14:10] <nemo> Signed-off-by: Paulo Alcantara (SUSE<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:10] <nemo> w/ author date of last year
[14:11] <nemo> ok. so just the opensuse one. very very late... and somehow missing the 20.04 release. just an oversight I suppose
[14:11] <nemo> so. yay!
[14:11] <nemo> thanks again.
[14:15] <nemo> mhcerri: so. sorry. I've never done this before and don't want to screw up the server, even if it is just our "cmtest" server
[14:15] <nemo> mhcerri: I just do apt -t focal-proposed update linux-kernel ?
[14:15] <nemo> then reboot and wait to see if the mount dies again?
[14:16] <nemo> oh. I guess I probably need to make sure the apt list includes proposed. lessee
[14:16] <mhcerri> nemo, you can find the details in this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[14:16] <nemo> thanks
[14:19] <nemo> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/fs/cifs/connect.c  hmmmm checked in last august. what the heck
[14:19] <nemo> how did this not make it into ubuntu 20.04!
[14:19] <nemo> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/fs/cifs/connect.c?id=a52930353eaf443489a350a135c5525a4acbbf56
[14:20] <nemo> oh wait. I'm an idiot. ofc it wouldn't be in 20.04 - last year, the plague year is melding in my mind with this one
[14:20] <nemo> it just took a long time to get pulled into backports 😃
[14:21] <mhcerri> nemo, that was only included in 5.9 and since it doesn't have a fixes tag or cc:stable in it, it is not easy to "find" such fixes until we have a bug report and we start to investigate it
[14:21] <nemo> right
[14:21] <nemo> mhcerri: naw. it was me mixing up 21.04 and 20.04 ☺
[14:21] <mhcerri> hehe
[16:15] <akselmo> juergh: heh true. i'll keep talking with the peeps about this on github and hopefully we get somekind of patch for this one day. thanks for the help everyone!