[00:14] <jeeves_moss> how do I set up BIND to play nice with a Windows DNS server?
[00:15] <JanC> jeeves_moss: you can run BIND as a Windows DNS server?
[00:16] <JanC> (not sure what exactly your problem is)
[00:16] <jeeves_moss> JanC, no, I need it to be a secondary.  I can't find the technet howto page
[00:17] <JanC> it's been a very long time since I configured a Windows DNS server, but IIRC I just wrote a BIND configuration file and used that with the Windows DNS server
[00:17] <jeeves_moss> JanC, ok, thanks.  I'm going to keep looking
[00:18] <JanC> the BIND config file worked fine with the Windows DNS server
[00:18] <JanC> but using the Windows GUI would break that config file
[00:18] <jeeves_moss> JanC, that's about par for Windows
[00:19] <JanC> so I had to avoid using the Windows GUI and maintain it as a text config file  ☺
[00:19] <JanC> that was almost 10 years ago though
[00:23] <Louis__> ssh
[02:48] <lvmer> Just want to make sure I get this right; where should I untar an ethernet adapter driver?
[02:49] <lvmer> is it:  /lib/modules/3.5.0-21-generic/kernel/drives/net/e1000e  ?
[03:30] <kenetik> Anyone on? Need some help
[03:31] <patdk-lap> !ask
[03:35] <lvmer> I'm having trouble setting up a pci gbe adapter. I think I installed everything correctly via intel's instructions, but I don't see the interface listed
[03:36]  * lvmer feels invisible
[03:42] <patdk-lap> lvmer, why did you attempt to install the driver manually?
[03:42] <kenetik> I am running 12.04 lts, I have postfix and dovecot installed and using my mail server successfully. I have multiple domains and would like to have a web interface to create/edit email accounts. Any suggestions?
[03:44] <lvmer> because that's what intel said
[03:44] <lvmer> how do you do it automatically
[03:44] <lvmer> I haven't changed any settings so I have no problem removing it and redoing it automatically, lmk how
[03:51] <lvmer> well after I run $ sudo modprobe e1000e   I can not seem to find a valid interface for the following command: $ sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[03:52] <patdk-lap> lvmer, who said it was called eth0?
[03:52] <patdk-lap> use dmesg
[03:52] <lvmer>  can not seem to find a valid interface
[03:53] <patdk-lap> heh?
[03:54] <lvmer> under modules I see it87, which im betting it is, but I can't seem to initialize it
[03:54] <patdk-lap> your betting your it87 tempature sensor is your gigabit network card?
[03:56] <lvmer> can you help me find the device name?
[03:57] <lvmer> I could not find it with dmesg
[04:02] <lvmer> I'm having trouble figuring out one of my network interfaces. Does anyone have any ideas?
[04:12] <lvmer> in case anyone else has this problem, the appropriate command is: lshw -C network
[04:14] <patdk-lap> well dmesg shows the output of stuff you load, like the network module, and hardware detected
[06:49] <graphmastur> Hey, I have a question about apache and port 80 on my linux system. When running from port 80, I can't access apache from outside the server. When running on port 50123 for example, I can. So I set up a port forward from 50123 to 80. Now, I can't access through port 501234 from inside the server (where I can 80), and I can't access 80 from the outside (where I can 50123)
[08:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1094830 in openvswitch (main) "brcompat failed to be loaded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094830
[10:35] <mattronix> Hi
[10:52] <grab> Hello
[10:53] <grab> I would like to install a ubuntu server on a virtual machine with a mac pro hardware. When i install it, i have the message please use a kernel appropriate for you CPU
[10:53] <grab> But after a lot of version I don't know what is the good version
[10:54] <vezq> grab: what virtulization software?
[10:54] <grab> Virtual box
[10:55] <grab> and my  cpu is a like i686
[10:56] <vezq> have tried different CPU options with virtualbox (can't remember exactly)
[10:56] <vezq> you*
[10:57] <grab> I'm sure I must install a 64 bits version.
[10:57] <grab> I have a quadcore intel
[10:58] <vezq> the standard 64-bit version should work with Virtualbox
[11:00] <mattronix> what type of mac  do you have?
[11:00] <mattronix> all of the newer macs are 64 and 32 bit cpu's
[11:01] <kim0> Hi folks, any idea if ESXi (with vCenter) can somehow pass cloud-init data to instances? o/ @ smoser
[11:01] <RoyK> grab: I have a few linux vms in virtualbox on my macs
[11:01] <RoyK> mattronix: all intel macs are 64bit
[11:01] <mattronix> what version of the ISO of linux are you using grab
[11:02] <mattronix> yep
[11:02] <mattronix> thats true all of the intel macs are 64 bit and can run any 32 bit software
[11:02] <grab> I was installed the 32bits and 64bits version but i have the same message
[11:02] <RoyK> grab: have you disabled PAE and trying to boot a 32bit linux? that would trigger that error
[11:02] <RoyK> grab: what mac model?
[11:02] <grab> mac pro
[11:02] <grab> quad core
[11:02] <RoyK> Xeon?
[11:03] <mattronix> what is the template for the VM?
[11:03] <mattronix> ubuntu
[11:03] <grab> hum good question, i'm seeing
[11:03] <mattronix> i have found some wired things with that  sometimes
[11:03] <grab> yes xeon
[11:03] <mattronix> Xeon so its a mac pro?
[11:03] <grab> mattronix, I'm using virtual box
[11:04] <grab> mattronix yes it's a mac pro
[11:04] <mattronix> I know :) i mean when you create a VM you have options for ram hdd and template of the os
[11:04] <mattronix> you can choose for example windows xp 64bit
[11:04] <mattronix> and say ubuntu 64 bit
[11:04] <mattronix> is all of the vm's settings correct
[11:04] <grab> RoyK, what's ESCxi it's on Virtual box ?
[11:04] <mattronix> no
[11:04] <RoyK> grab: really, I have three mac's and it works on my installs
[11:04] <mattronix> Vmware
[11:05] <RoyK> grab: that's with virtualbox
[11:05] <mattronix> yep i use mac too it works fine
[11:06] <mattronix> i can look by team viewer if you want
[11:07] <grab> Ok thank guy, the problem is the template from virtualbox, i was choose the wrong template
[11:07] <mattronix> but its up to you
[11:07] <mattronix> thought so :)
[11:08] <grab> Do you know if it's possible to emulate failover with 2  servers on virtual machine on a same machine ?
[11:08] <mattronix> i have found these kind of errors occur when you choose the wrong template i do not know the exact technical reason behind it  but i guess its hardware emulation
[11:08] <mattronix> yeah you can do anything with a vm that you can do a physical machine
[11:09] <mattronix> yep you can create virtual network
[11:09] <mattronix> and a virtual network card on each of the hosts and join it to the same virtual network
[11:09] <mattronix> so is the ubuntu install working?
[11:10] <NikP> I can't shut down my server, when I enter "sudo shutdown -P now", all services end and the HDD stops, but the Power isn't switched off.
[11:10] <mattronix> acpi?
[11:10] <NikP> Yes, status is OK.
[11:10] <mattronix> what is the -p option?
[11:11] <mattronix> try sudo halt
[11:11] <mattronix> "sudo halt"
[11:11] <mattronix> i use that and it works for me :)
[11:11] <NikP> OK, I will try that, wait a moment. (Currently over SSH to the server connected)
[11:11] <RoyK> "halt" will only take down the OS, use "poweroff" to poweroff
[11:12] <mattronix> ok then type sudo poweroff
[11:12] <RoyK> using that over ssh, makes it rather hard to get contact with the server again...
[11:12] <mattronix> should have the exact same result
[11:12] <mattronix> it will do a complete powerdown
[11:12] <mattronix> yep
[11:12] <NikP> The same result. No power off.
[11:12] <NikP> OK, I will try poweroff
[11:12] <mattronix> what is on your console screen?
[11:12] <mattronix> yep
[11:12] <mattronix> i have not seen the option you use before
[11:13] <RoyK> "halt" won't poweroff anymore - they changed that somewhere between 10.04 and 12.04
[11:13] <mattronix> o i see
[11:13] <mattronix> i still use 10.04.4   LTS
[11:13] <RoyK> I thought "halt" still worked there
[11:14] <mattronix> it does :)
[11:14] <RoyK> ah
[11:14] <mattronix> i have not seen the you must use power off option so i guess they changed it
[11:15] <mattronix> let me know if poweroff works for you
[11:15] <NikP> poweroff doesn't works, too.
[11:15] <mattronix> ok
[11:15] <mattronix> do you have a monitor connected to your server
[11:15] <NikP> but ACPI is on OK, so what's the problem?
[11:16] <NikP> Yes , I have a monitor. It shows at the end System halted
[11:16] <mattronix> try it from the server console (with keyboard and mouse + monitor attached to your server) and see what you get
[11:16] <RoyK> NikP: with poweroff?
[11:16] <mattronix> o ok
[11:16] <NikP> RoyK: With all.
[11:16] <mattronix> and you can you still ssh into it
[11:16] <NikP> No, I must reboot it.
[11:17] <mattronix> hrrm
[11:17] <mattronix> reverse your ACPI setting
[11:17] <mattronix> and try again
[11:17] <NikP> OK, I will try that.
[11:17] <mattronix> i have found for me that is the main reason this happens
[11:18] <mattronix> how old is the hardware
[11:20] <NikP> Oh, not very old, ca. 2006, but I'vbe tried for this problem two power supplies, but it does'nt works. I have a PC with Mint 14, there all commands work.
[11:21] <mattronix> herm i have found the same with the fitpc that with freebsd  i have this problem
[11:21] <mattronix> and with debien on the same machine it works fine
[11:22] <mattronix> maybe there is an option in ubuntu that it keeps the hardware online
[11:22] <NikP> On the server I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
[11:23] <mattronix> herm maybe it is an option in 12.04 let me look it up
[11:24] <mattronix> do you get system is ready to halt?
[11:24] <NikP> Yes
[11:25] <grab> Question : Do you download automatically your update for  your  system ?
[11:26] <vezq> grab: I use unattended-upgrades package
[11:26] <mattronix> 12.04 is still unstable if i am honest
[11:27] <mattronix> i think personally that is safer to stay on 10.04
[11:28] <mattronix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/880240
[11:28] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 880240 in upstart "system doesn't turn off if "sudo halt" is given" [Medium,Won't fix]
[11:28] <mattronix> SNAP XD
[11:30] <mattronix> looks like we both got the same ending
[11:30] <mattronix> bug 880240
[11:30] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 880240 in upstart "system doesn't turn off if "sudo halt" is given" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880240
[11:31] <mattronix> whats the best command to halt an ubuntu server?
[11:31] <mattronix> i use the halt but it works fine for 10.04
[12:38] <grab> I have install my server on a VM, how to get a ip adress différent that the host (macpro)?
[12:38] <RoyK> what hypervisor?
[12:39] <grab> VirtualBox
[12:40] <grab> I want to create a virtual network equipement to connect by ssh my other machine
[12:42] <RoyK> you can use virtualbox's port forwarding
[12:43] <RoyK> or you can use bridge networking
[12:43] <RoyK> the latter is probably the easiest
[12:45] <grab> RoyK it's a connexion by point ?
[12:45] <grab> actually  im using the NAT, but i have the  host ip address
[12:45] <RoyK> just use bridge
[12:46] <RoyK> that way you can setup an address "beside" the host, on the same network
[12:47] <grab> ok it's true thank
[13:00] <bjensen> : Im trying to pick a rack server from dell…R320, R420 or so..but I don't know if I can use software raid on the embedded SATA controller they have?
[13:01] <patdk-lap> heh?
[13:01] <patdk-lap> isn't that the whole definition of *software raid*?
[13:02] <bjensen> patdk-lap: probably..just wanna make sure :)
[13:02] <vezq> patdk-lap: I'd recommend hardware raid if possible
[13:02] <bjensen> do you know if their S110 can be used with ubuntu?
[13:02] <bjensen> raid controller*
[13:03] <patdk-lap> oh, a *fakeraid* controller
[13:03] <patdk-lap> that is not a raid card
[13:05] <bjensen> the problem is that only the top server models have real controllers
[13:07] <patdk-lap> not really, the problem is, dells website option selections
[13:07] <bjensen> think their call service works today?
[13:07] <bjensen> ;-)
[13:08] <vezq> bought a T420 recently, you can get rack kit for it
[13:08] <patdk-lap> vezq, that is called a r420 :)
[13:09] <patdk-lap> I can't find any info about the s110
[13:09] <bjensen> patdk-lap: you think I can get a R320 with a H310 raid?
[13:09] <patdk-lap> likely it will work fine
[13:09] <patdk-lap> but I wouldn't want to use it's *raid* support, but I would use md instead
[13:11] <bjensen> I think i need to call them. When I google I found this: http://www.server-warehouse.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1381&zenid=iatr515cp98imvl5vfa4mj3pf7 a r320 with a h310 controller
[13:11] <bjensen> the h310 controller works with ubuntu 12.04LTS?
[13:12] <patdk-lap> bjensen, sure, it gives me that option directly on their order system
[13:12] <bjensen> what!?
[13:12] <patdk-lap> though, h710 is going be much faster
[13:12] <vezq> jep, h710 recommended
[13:13] <bjensen> Its going to be running a Ruby OnRails Web app
[13:13] <patdk-lap> it gives me the option of, s110, h310, h710
[13:13] <bjensen> won't need that much io
[13:13] <patdk-lap> bjensen, it isn't about io
[13:13] <patdk-lap> io depends on the disks you use
[13:14] <patdk-lap> the raid card you use helps decrease latency
[13:14] <bjensen> Ohhh I see now. its their ordering system hat is weird
[13:15] <bjensen> bah i gtg. thanks for the help
[17:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1094921 in keystone (main) "keystone postinst fails with KeyError: <VerNum(4)>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094921
[17:51] <disposable> i upgraded 10.04 to 12.04. after the upgrade, i noticed 2 weird things which may even be related. 1. even though i uninstalled all kernel images apart from the newest one, grub-update puts all my old kernels into the os_prober section of grub.cfg. 2. when i run update-grub, it complains: "error: found two disks with the index 1 for RAID md2. error: superfluous RAID member (2 found)" BTW, md2 is where i store data, not the OS. /proc/mdstat
[18:01]  * RoyK thinks ubuntu, even LTS versions, are getting less stable
[18:01] <RoyK> I've seen similar issues, disposable
[19:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1094944 in squid3 (main) "squid3 remove doesn't delete logrotate conf file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094944
[23:16] <SpamapS> q/win 11


[00:37] <mwhudson> <branch vocab rage goes here>
[00:42] <StevenK> mwhudson: Oh?
[00:42] <mwhudson> StevenK: go to (e.g.) link branch to bp page
[00:42] <mwhudson> type something that isn't an exact branch unique name
[00:42] <mwhudson> --> timeout
[00:42] <StevenK> Ah yes, substring matching over many many tables
[00:42] <StevenK> There's a critical about it
[08:36] <adeuring> ood morning
[09:28] <BearIBeer> Hi All, I am a newbie to use launpad and I have a question. I following someone's instructions to review the weblink https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix several times but I am still can not find out where to deploy the operations
[09:28] <BearIBeer> modify totem by adding "Modified by $my_name" in the "About(A)"
[09:29] <BearIBeer> Who can help me on this point?
[09:30] <BearIBeer> I have create my account on Launchpad, https://launchpad.net/~gywxme is my home
[12:22] <mattyw> anyone know how I can get to the search screen using loggerhead?
[12:32] <adeuring> rick_h_: could you please review this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-1086057/+merge/138086 ?
[12:33] <rick_h_> adeuring: sure thing
[12:33] <adeuring> thanks!
[13:01] <rick_h_> adeuring: bzr hates your branch and won't update the diff :/
[13:03] <adeuring> rick_h_: I've added the diff in a comment
[13:07] <rick_h_> adeuring: thanks
[13:14] <rick_h_> adeuring: r=me
[13:15] <adeuring> rick_h_: thanks!
[14:00] <deryck> Morning.
[15:34] <rick_h_> sinzui: is this ok to fix release? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b76127bb9aeef46eade6870be66c76f0b89fd4c0
[15:34] <rick_h_> looks like you moved it to in progress
[15:37] <sinzui> rick_h_, you pasted a hangout? If that right?
[15:38] <rick_h_> doh
[15:38] <sinzui> rick_h_, perhaps you meant my card for https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1050191 which *might be fix released* I am working with webops to confirm the truth
[15:38] <_mup_> Bug #1050191: allocate-revision-karma.py is too slow to complete <branches> <karma> <lp-code> <oops> <qa-ok> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by sinzui> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1050191 >
[15:38] <rick_h_> no, the bug that just deployed
[15:38] <rick_h_> ok
[15:38] <sinzui> there was a branch that fixes two bugs. I marked the one of them fix released since scripts missed it
[15:39] <rick_h_> ok, that's what I thought, but wanted to dbl check
[17:37] <james_w> is someone able to review https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/python-oops-tools/decode-reports/+merge/138267 please?
[17:37] <james_w> it's very small and blocking an oops deployment
[18:34] <james_w> I've self-approved that to get this deploy done, I'm happy to get a post-merge review
[18:35] <rick_h_> james_w: cool, sorry about that. Busy and somewhat empty ship today
[18:35] <james_w> np
[18:36] <rick_h_> james_w: seems small/simple enough so self-review ftw
[21:16] <slank> I'm trying to authenticate to staging with the python library and it doesn't prompt me for credentials. How can I log out?


[19:15] <josh_> Good afternoon. Can anyone advise me  on the following: I want to install zorin 16.5 on an HP 14 4020 N but I am sort of indecisive not knowing whether there would be a wireless driver  for my laptop.. I had an issue with it running the version 15
[19:16] <diogenes_Vx15> josh_, are you trolling?
[19:16] <josh_> Humm! Sorry, I dont get it
[19:18] <diogenes_Vx15> josh_, i think you do get it because you are not on a Zorin support channel.
[19:18] <josh_> Is there a zorin channel and if so, can you advise me?
[19:25] <diogenes_Vx15> josh_, are you new to Linux?


[12:32] <jarnos> Why does "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge" not purge old kernels in Mythbuntu? They say it should work in Ubuntu 14.04. It works e.g. in Xubuntu 15.10.


[02:27] <Eickmeyer> RikMills, arraybolt3: regression in plasma-workspace broke Ubuntu Studio's SDDM theme in 22.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2003388
[02:27] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Launchpad bug 2003388 in plasma-workspace (Ubuntu Jammy) "sddm-theme-breeze breaks Ubuntu Studio login" [Undecided, New]
[02:28] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Noticed that, pitched in on the bug report.
[02:28] <arraybolt3> Didn't know it was plasma-workspace, looking.
[02:28] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but the askubuntu question is entirely incorrect.
[02:29] <arraybolt3> Site is in read-only mode, can't do anything now.
[02:29] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, until Midnight Eastern, I assume.
[02:29] <arraybolt3> I'll help with it once it gets untangled.
[02:30] <Eickmeyer> I love how people assume it's ubuntu studio's fault without investigating to see whether or not it's a symlink, which this is.
[02:30] <arraybolt3> lol well sometimes people make mistakes. FWIW, though, I'm not "Organic Marble
[02:30] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I know.
[02:31]  * arraybolt3 cracks knuckles and reviews recent changes to plasma-workspace
[02:32]  * arraybolt3 spins up VM
[02:32] <arraybolt3> (Nothing interesting was in the changelog, sadly.)
[02:33] <Eickmeyer> I remember I had to resolve this with Kinetic, but that was merely a workaround where I copied the qml file and removed the references to the missing properties.
[02:33] <Eickmeyer> Lunar uses an entirely new theme.
[02:33] <arraybolt3> I remember this also. It was that bug I failed to report until the absolute last minute :P
[02:34] <Eickmeyer> I could do the same for Jammy, but I'd rather not because that's not fixing the problem, that's just working around it.
[02:34] <arraybolt3> I guess it depends on what the problem exactly is and how hard it is to really fix. If it's just a botched config file or something, no problem. If it's an upstream KDE bug...
[02:36] <Eickmeyer> Right. In this case, it wasn't a botched config file. It was an upstream KDE bug that I just created a workaround for. Ugly, but it worked.
[02:36] <Eickmeyer> Going forward, though, Studio has an entirely new SDDM theme that comes from materia-kde.
[02:38] <arraybolt3> Personally, I'd just use the workaround and submit the real bugfix to upstream KDE, then backport it once it's accepted. Otherwise we have vendor-specific patches (I think that's what they're called) in Ubuntu that aren't in KDE and that seems like a bad thing.
[02:39] <Eickmeyer> My question is, since it's the same theme that's used by Kubuntu just with a different wallpaper, why isn't Kubuntu affected?
[02:39] <arraybolt3> Maybe they are?
[02:40] <arraybolt3> I mean it's possible they've got the same bug and no one's reported it. I noticed this bug earlier (like, yesterday or the day before) and didn't say anything since I wasn't sure if it was just on my side or not.
[02:40] <arraybolt3> I probably would have reported it if it persisted even after having everything upgraded.
[02:40] <arraybolt3> I guess I may as well get my Kubuntu ISO copied over so I can make a VM with it too.
[02:41] <arraybolt3> (For once I managed to keep all my ISOs across an OS reinstall \o/)
[02:41] <Eickmeyer> Nice
[02:46] <arraybolt3> Alright, I now have an Ubuntu Studio VM updating and a Kubuntu VM installing.
[03:35] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Keep me posted, I'm probably checking-out for the night. I've got some sort of illness going on.
[03:38] <arraybolt3> Will do. Sorry to hear you're under the weather.
[04:26] <arraybolt3> I have confirmed that this problem does not appear to affect Kubuntu.
[04:31] <arraybolt3> I can see right off the bat that there are differences between the Main.qml file in Ubuntu Studio and the one in Kubuntu.
[04:31] <arraybolt3> Neither VM has relevant packages phasing.
[04:33] <arraybolt3> And Kubuntu's file does not have the offending "actionItemsVisible" line in its Main.qml file.
[04:35] <arraybolt3[m]> There are some very significant differences between the files. The diff:
[04:35]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dc622d38928556bbaf5bdd3b50441bcc8eba258e
[04:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (The "KUBUNTU" and "STUDIO" lines in the comment at the top were added by me so I could tell them apart easily.)
[04:36] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3[m]: How is that possible when one is a symlink to the other?
[04:40] <arraybolt3> Well...
[04:40] <Eickmeyer> I'm not making this up. '''usr/share/sddm/themes/ubuntustudio/Main.qml -> ../breeze/Main.qml'''
[04:40] <arraybolt3> *shrug*
[04:40]  * arraybolt3 digs deeper
[04:41] <arraybolt3> On my Jammy VM, Main.qml is **not** a symlink.
[04:41] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I assume you're running Kinetic?
[04:41] <arraybolt3> Because on Jammy, the Main.qml file is just a file.
[04:41] <Eickmeyer> I'm looking at the sources.
[04:42]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/20b7cda5fcb963ec9445d207f062d67e904eda5d
[04:42] <arraybolt3> That's what "ls -l /usr/share/sddm/themes/ubuntustudio" shows me.
[04:43] <Eickmeyer> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/tree/usr/share/sddm/themes/ubuntustudio/Main.qml?h=jammy&id=cef1f265372b5d5bc758f6b97f2bbc4d635dd652
[04:43] <Eickmeyer> The problem is in Jammy.
[04:44]  * arraybolt3 does a pull-lp-source to see what's going on here
[04:44] <Eickmeyer> Not in Kinetic.
[04:44] <arraybolt3> Right, I thought you were looking at files on your system.
[04:44] <Eickmeyer> No, I'm on Lunar.
[04:44] <arraybolt3> I thought maybe the file was a symlink in Kinetic, not in Jammy. So nvm.
[04:44] <Eickmeyer> I'm looking at the sources.
[04:44] <arraybolt3> I just ran "sl" rather than "ls" XD
[04:44] <Eickmeyer> hehe
[04:45] <arraybolt3> When I do "pull-lp-source ubuntustudio-default-settings jammy", the Main.qml file is not a symlink.
[04:45] <arraybolt3> The exact version is "ubuntustudio-default-settings-<IP_ADDRESS>"
[04:45]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/122c5972b748b4e3a0163fe3210ca933c4e84d9d
[04:46] <arraybolt3> "ls -l" output again.
[04:47] <arraybolt3> Soooo... I'm guessing the file wasn't a symlink at some point, and now in Git it is, but the change that makes it a symlink hasn't been updated?
[04:47] <arraybolt3> s/updated/uploaded/
[04:47] <Eickmeyer> I just did the pull myself, which is very odd.
[04:49] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Something got crossed, because looking at the debdiff, it was a symlink prior: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/623379853/ubuntustudio-default-settings_22.04.26_<IP_ADDRESS>.diff.gz
[04:49] <Eickmeyer> Very odd behavior.
[04:50] <arraybolt3> I'm not sure if that's the link you meant to send, since I see nothing about Main.qml in there. Maybe I'm just missing something.
[04:50] <arraybolt3> But I guess we just diff the git version with the archive version and get them to match?
[04:51] <arraybolt3> Also, I thought you were going to bed :P
[04:52] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: I thought I was too.
[04:53] <Eickmeyer> So, what I'm seeing here is that the version that was uploaded matches what I'm seeing in the git history. The git history shows it was always a symlink for the past 3 years until just recently when I made the new sddm theme.
[04:54] <Eickmeyer> What was uploaded, and the debdiff (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/623379853/ubuntustudio-default-settings_22.04.26_<IP_ADDRESS>.diff.gz) shows that.
[04:54] <Eickmeyer> But, what pull-lp-source, and the package that gets downloaded, shows something completely different.
[04:55] <Eickmeyer> Very, very odd behavior on Launchpad's part.
[04:55] <arraybolt3> Weird.
[04:56] <arraybolt3> Then where in Canonical's crazy infrastructure did it find the file it's using now?!
[04:56] <arraybolt3> Perhaps somehow the file from Kinetic managed to "leak" into Jammy? Or maybe even the one from Lunar?
[04:56] <Eickmeyer> That file most likely matches the version in Kinetic.
[04:57] <Eickmeyer> Either way, something leaked
[04:57] <arraybolt3> It might be that it's not showing in the debdiff because maybe the upload decided to upload a whole entire tarball and not just a debdiff?
[04:57] <arraybolt3> I don't even know if that's possible though.
[04:57] <Eickmeyer> It's not possible. The git history doesn't show it.
[04:58] <arraybolt3> Worth a bug report against Launchpad itself? Or do we just say "well that was weird" and patch it?
[04:58] <Eickmeyer> I made sure to branch it early enough.
[04:59] <arraybolt3> I wonder if maybe somehow an upload intended for Kinetic accidentally became a Jammy upload.
[04:59] <Eickmeyer> The debdiff would show that.
[04:59] <arraybolt3> Yeah, you're right.
[05:00] <Eickmeyer> Where I'm at is I'm going to have to grab the Main.qml from Kinetic and throw it in Jammy because it fixes the exact error being reported.
[05:00] <arraybolt3> Or maybe there's some way to get the symlink to actually go where it's supposed to?
[05:01] <Eickmeyer> No, I think the Main.qml version somehow leaked from an old version of sddm-theme-breeze now that I look at the diff better.
[05:01] <Eickmeyer> Better just to get what I know works.
[05:01] <arraybolt3> Well, whatever works. It won't do any harm for it to not be a symlink.
[05:02] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. Even if it's copied from the breeze theme, no harm no foul, but I fear the functions were removed from frameworks, which is why the errors are happening.
[05:03] <arraybolt3> What's odd is that the versions in Ubuntu Studio's Main.qml are *newer* than the ones in Kubuntu, I think?
[05:03] <arraybolt3> But whatever. Further investigation is probably good for nothing but "huh, that's so weird" value. We've figured it out and have a fix planned.
[05:03] <Eickmeyer> We can speculate all we want, but what I know is that something got crossed somewhere and now we have to fix it. Problem for tomorrow's Erich.
[05:03] <arraybolt3> +1
[05:04]  * arraybolt3 shuts down VMs and keeps them around for future diagnostic purposes if needed
[05:04] <Eickmeyer> Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll probably open a bug report against Launchpad itself tomorrow, because this is just weird.
[05:05] <arraybolt3> :) Glad to be able to help with something.
[05:05] <Eickmeyer> You're always a help with something.
[05:05] <arraybolt3> (I may need to do some VM cleanup, I have, I kid you not, 15 VMs between Boxes and VirtualBox.)
[05:06] <arraybolt3> Something tells me that having 16 operating systems installed on the same computer is a bit much.
[05:07] <arraybolt3> Though then again, they're not taking up that much room. Nevermind.
[05:07] <Eickmeyer> I've heard of worse.
[12:11] <RikMills> muon removed from debian unstable at least
[14:47] <RikMills> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace/+bug/2003388/comments/11
[14:47] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Launchpad bug 2003388 in plasma-workspace (Ubuntu) "sddm-theme-breeze breaks Ubuntu Studio login" [Undecided, Opinion]
[17:35] <arraybolt3> :( I liked muon.
[17:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Bridge to IRC seems broken.
[17:37] <arraybolt3> !ping
[17:38] <arraybolt3[m]> lol now it works.
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3[m]: So, apparently some wires got crossed with the upload (I inspected the tarball), but it didn't show up in the debdiff. I'm flabbergasted.
[18:10] <arraybolt3> :-/
[18:11] <arraybolt3> Well, hey, it's better than if Launchpad outright modified the uploaded tarball. That would have broken signing, right?
[18:20] <ThomasWard[m]> in the traditional sense yeah
[18:21] <ThomasWard[m]> but some stuff is weird sometimes ;)
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> Just weird how the incluseion of *a whole new file* didn't show up in the debdiff. That's what's tripping me up.
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> *inclusion
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> Unrelated: I suppose it might be unethical to launch the person into orbit that thought it would be a good idea to make pipewire-alsa a recommends of pipewire-pulse causing our images to ftb.
[18:39]  * Eickmeyer blacklists pipewire-alsa
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> We still need the pulseaudio package as several of our packages still have a hard depends on it.
[18:47] <RikMills> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/647075684/ubuntustudio-default-settings_<IP_ADDRESS>_<IP_ADDRESS>.diff.gz
[18:47] <RikMills> that debdiff shows no file change either!
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Yeah, I can't imagine it will, but if you inspect the tarball, this Main.qml has no contents because it's a symlink.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> Like I said in the SRU template, I'm wary of the debdiffs right now.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Moral of the story: don't always trust debdiffs.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Which is sad, because that's what we've been trained is trustworthy.
[18:56] <arraybolt3> I wonder if debdiffs even pick up symlinks? I know they don't handle permissions.
[18:56] <arraybolt3> Like maybe they're not actually able to detect when a symlink gets... I mean idk, it still just seems weird and broken.
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> They should show every single file difference.
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> So, a symlink to an actual file should show up.
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> And the reverse should be true as well.
[19:00] <RikMills> maybe if debdiff sees that a file is specified in debian/something.links so a symlink, it skips adding a diff for it?
[19:00] <RikMills> probably not, but there has to be some fail in logic
[19:01]  * RikMills shrugs
[19:13] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: LP weirdness continues. ubuntustudio-default-settings appears to have migrated to -proposed in Jammy... yet there are *no* binary files built from source. At least, not on the main package page, but then you click on the amd64 build and there's the files.
[19:13] <arraybolt3> "sudo apt update" isn't detecting the new package (despite having enabled -proposed), even if I change mirror to the core one (archive.ubuntu.com).
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: It takes a while to propagate to the mirros.
[19:14] <arraybolt3> Right but I'm not using a mirror, right? Or is archive.ubuntu.com a mirror itself?
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> *mirors
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> archive.ubuntu.com is a mirror itself.
[19:14] <arraybolt3> Oh. OK.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> You never, from the outside of Canonical's infra, have direct access to the main internal server.
[19:15] <arraybolt3> That makes sense. I thought for some reason that archive.ubuntu.com was the 'heart' machine that all others mirrored from, and that the ftpmaster.internal machine or whatever was like another "way" into that machine that was faster or something. I see I was mistaken.
[19:16] <arraybolt3> *that all others ultimately derived from (lol if all mirrors drew from it that would be painful)
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that would be a huge load for one server.
[19:18] <arraybolt3> I guess while I wait for that to find its way to a more easily accessible server, I'll start work on an XScreenSaver regression SRU.
[19:18] <arraybolt3> (XScreenSaver is currently badly busted in Kinetic for everything, and in Lunar for everything but Lubuntu.)
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I'm working on this pipewire-alsa - pulseaudio conflict issue. I'm going to have to ask for help with it.
[19:18] <arraybolt3> *in Lunar for everything (I think) but Lubuntu.
[19:22] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I thought blacklisting only made the build fail if a package got in, not prevented it from getting in?
[19:22] <arraybolt3> (re your last query in -release)
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> It should prevent it from getting in.
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> If it's a recommends, it's not required, hence it should be blacklistable.
[19:23] <arraybolt3> Oh, because it's a *recommends*, I get it.
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: The mirrors are being molasses in this month slow.
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Yeah, noticed that :P
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> At least the bug reporter got it verified.
[20:08] <arraybolt3> Just tried another apt update, no dice.
[20:08] <arraybolt3> Should I just go ahead and do a manual download from LP? I feel like that's not quite the right way to verify things.
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Just checked, the mirror is good nw.
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> *nwo
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> *now
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> Verified myself, it looks good.
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> But more eyes the better
[20:25] <arraybolt3> Downloading and testing.
[20:33] <arraybolt3> Mind if I mark the bug as verification-done?
[20:33] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: ^
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Please do!
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Then ping vorlon in -release
[20:35] <arraybolt3> Done.
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> Thanks!
[20:50] <arraybolt3> foo-<IP_ADDRESS>2.34775+really<IP_ADDRESS>.4346-7+dfsg3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> ftw!
[20:51] <arraybolt3> (That's actually a valid version number, I think. And I still didn't add an epoch or a bpo.)
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> It is a valid version number, but still warrants an ew.


[00:00] <ethana3> i think this resolution bug is to obvious to be overlooked..
[00:00] <ethana3> but i think i'll check just to make sure it has been filed
[00:00] <bardyr> what resolution bug?
[00:00] <ethana3> radeon picks this huge res
[00:01] <ethana3> when my monitor can only do 1280x1024, physically
[00:01] <ethana3> then radeon ignores my mode settings
[00:01] <bardyr> tried the binary driver?
[00:01] <ethana3> eww
[00:01] <ethana3> no
[00:02] <ethana3> well wait, do you mean the proprietary one, or just a precompiled radeon?
[00:02] <ethana3> i'm not going to mess with proprietary stuff; that's not why i'm here
[00:04] <bardyr> proprietary
[00:04] <ethana3> yeah, my card has long been forgotten by them
[00:04] <bardyr> ethana3, but how can you survive without compiz :D
[00:04] <ethana3> and that's not the future anyway
[00:04] <ethana3> i get compiz
[00:04] <ethana3> radeon can do compiz easily
[00:04] <ethana3> i also play tremulous and nexuiz and all those
[00:04] <ethana3> and it will only get better
[00:04] <bardyr> on the opensource driver?
[00:04] <ethana3> absolutely
[00:04] <ethana3> and of course
[00:05] <bardyr> wow, i didnt think they had gotten so fare
[00:05] <ethana3> oh yeah they have
[00:05] <ethana3> specs help a lot
[00:05] <RAOF> bardyr: Sufficiently old radeons are *better* supported by the opensource driver than by fglrx
[00:05] <ethana3> yes
[00:05] <ethana3> 9200SE
[00:07] <lufis> Is it just me or is the hardy alpha *extremely* slow?
[00:07] <lufis> like, menus sluggishly opening, video less responsive, etc.?
[00:07] <RAOF> It may be just you, I don't see that.
[00:08] <DanaG> My system definitely seems less responsive.
[00:08] <lufis> I wonder if it's the new kernel
[00:08] <DanaG> When I start Gnome, Pidgin freezes for about 30 seconds simply due to other stuff loading.
[00:08] <ethana3> i keep the system monitor in my panel
[00:08] <ethana3> so i always see cpu usage...
[00:08] <DanaG> I'm sure it is the new kernel -- try booting the old one for comparison.
[00:08] <RAOF> I have terrible problems with the -rt kernel, but -generic is OK.
[00:09] <lufis> After disabling trackerd, seahorse, and whatever else bloat ubuntu has gotten this release it got a bit better
[00:09] <lufis> but it's still not anything like gutsy
[00:09] <lufis> speed-wise
[00:09] <DanaG> Try the Gutsy kernel!
[00:09] <DanaG> The new "completely fair scheduler" sucks, in my usage.
[00:10] <lufis> I tried 2.6.24 on gutsy, actually, and it was very responsive
[00:10] <DanaG> With CFS?
[00:10] <lufis> yes
[00:10] <DanaG> Odd.
[00:10] <bardyr> i think hardy is faster, then gutsy
[00:10] <DanaG> I wonder what else has changed.
[00:10] <Gnine> my 8.04 has all normal features turned on and its all good
[00:10] <DanaG> For me, Hardy with Gutsy kernel is more responsive than Hardy with Hardy kernel.
[00:10] <ethana3> most of my issues are always in either my DE or xorg
[00:10] <DanaG> I haven't tried Gutsy with Hardy kernel.
[00:10] <lufis> i thought maybe it was swapping too much, so i turned swap off... no speedup
[00:11] <ethana3> but that may be just because i screw with things so much ;)
[00:11] <Gnine> celeron 2.0 - 1gig ram
[00:11] <Gnine> never touch swap
[00:12] <ethana3> that's for hibernating and running out of ram ;)
[00:12]  * Gnine is on desktop right now.. laptop is even better
[00:13] <Gnine> with the exception of the suspend issues
[00:14] <lufis> Video skips on hardy, something that i have never had happen on this machine
[00:20] <DanaG> I'm getting audio dropouts when I close my laptop lid.
[00:20] <DanaG> That only happens with the new kernel, and only when folding@home is running.
[00:22] <ethana3> filed bug on radeon
[00:22] <bardyr> DanaG, i think the CFS isnt respecting nice values and making folding eat way to much cpu time
[00:22] <ethana3> in the world clock, it doesn't give the correct time for other locations
[00:23] <ethana3> it just gives you the right analog clock, then the local time and offset
[00:23] <ethana3> 'You do the math'
[00:23] <DanaG> Look at this bug (and a few other bugs related to it):  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/177713
[00:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "CFS in 2.6.24 kernel needs cpu_share adjustment for "niced" processes" [Medium,Fix released]
[00:27] <SeveredCross> My issue with Hardy is libeel breaking python-nautilus.
[00:27] <SeveredCross> Makes me :-(
[00:47] <ethana3> so who all is awake now, aussies and californians?
[00:48] <JanC> belgians too
[00:48] <ethana3> can we set our update thing to check every hour?
[00:48] <ethana3> belgians?
[00:48] <JanC> (for a little)
[00:48] <ethana3> lol
[00:49] <JanC> I guess it's possible, but why every hour?
[00:49] <ethana3> hmm
[00:49] <ethana3> proposed updates enabled on an alpha?
[00:50] <ethana3> nevermind; that is a little rediculous
[01:01] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226/
[01:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [Wishlist,New]
[01:13] <Dr_willis> Oh Joys.. every so often when i am in windows.. i realise WHY i like linux so much better.....
[01:13] <ethana3> yes
[01:14] <Dr_willis> Windows is saying every dvd i have is a blank and wants to format it . even the commercial video dvds
[01:15] <Dr_willis> bb in a bit. :)
[01:37] <ethana3> well, when i went to do the actual install, i selected safe graphics mode
[01:37] <ethana3> now i have it just configured for radeon
[01:37] <ethana3> so adding another mode may just work out better..  i'm going to try that now.
[01:44] <ethana3> that didn't work..
[01:45] <ethana3> and i don't know why..  i'm going to have a look at my xorg log
[01:52] <ethana3> i'm adding my /var/log/Xorg.0.log to my bug report via pastebin
[02:14] <ethana3> well, even though i set my modes to include only 800x600 and 1280x1024.. i wonder if it needs a 'virtual' line
[02:31] <dabbill> how do i install kde4 with 8.04? apt-get install kde4-core dont work.
[02:31] <RAOF> !doesntwork | dabbill
[02:31] <ubotu> dabbill: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:32] <dabbill> gives me a big list of unmet dependencies
[02:33] <RAOF> Right.
[02:33] <DanaG> Argh, when pulseaudio stutters, sometimes Exaile locks up and eats 100% of (BOTH CORES!) of my CPU.
[02:33] <RAOF> That's probably a temporary problem, and is totally expected at certain times.
[02:33] <RAOF> Just try again in a day or so.
[02:35] <DanaG> Argh, I'm trying the qprojectm thingy, but it's hella' buggy.
[02:35] <DanaG> It doesn't save preset ratings.
[02:36] <DanaG> And I get this all the time:  ASSERT: "last >= first" in file kernel/qabstractitemmodel.cpp, line 2095
[02:36] <DanaG> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:36] <DanaG> Anyway, that's not a Hardy issue, though.
[02:37] <ethana3> Screens and Graphics was intended to be able to do multi-seat, right?
[02:38] <ethana3> with better autoconfiguration, I don't see the point of it otherwise
[02:40] <ethana3> ...but i would /really, really/ love to be able to use it for what I'm trying to do.  That would be amazing
[02:42] <dabbill> apt-get install kde4-core gives me Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[02:42] <DanaG> I wonder how PulseAudio works with multiseat.
[02:42] <ethana3> try this
[02:42] <ethana3> oh, i wonder too
[02:42] <DanaG> Oh, and try aptitude -- it's more useful with dependencies.
[02:42] <RAOF> DanaG: Only the active user gets the sound device.
[02:42] <ethana3> apt-get install kde4-core kdebase-kde4
[02:42] <DanaG> But BOTH are active.
[02:42] <ethana3> yes
[02:42] <ethana3> and there is only one sound device
[02:43] <ethana3> but two of everything else of course
[02:43] <RAOF> DanaG: You may me thinking of something different to me when I hear "multiseat"
[02:43] <ethana3> two simultaneous users
[02:43] <ethana3> two monitors, keyboards, mice
[02:43] <RAOF> Oh, right.
[02:43] <ethana3> which is what i have
[02:43] <ethana3> but i haven
[02:44] <ethana3> 't gotten it working correctly as of yet
[02:44] <RAOF> That's an interesting question; probably badly at the moment, I think.
[02:44] <dabbill> looks like aptitude did the trick
[02:44] <ethana3> i'm fine with one user just not getting audio for now; it's not essential
[02:46] <ethana3> actually
[02:46] <ethana3> i want one user to get the right channel and one user get the left
[02:46] <ethana3> yes.
[02:49] <DanaG> Mono?   Ugh.
[02:50] <ethana3> well yeah
[02:50] <ethana3> unless i get another sound card
[02:50] <DanaG> If the onboard audio device does surround, you could split the front and rear to act as two separate cards.
[02:50] <ethana3> oh.. ok
[02:50] <ethana3> it just has one little audio jack
[02:50] <ethana3> like, the basic headphone kind
[02:50] <DanaG> Dang.
[02:50] <ethana3> as i said though, that's not a serious problem
[02:50] <DanaG> I wonder how expensive a cheap USB sound card would be.
[02:51] <ethana3> i'm thinking PCI
[02:51] <ethana3> but USB may work too
[02:51] <ethana3> most of my USB ports are used
[02:51] <ethana3> with the printer, two mice, USB keyboard, thumb drive, and webcam
[02:51] <ethana3> the other keyboard is PS/2
[02:52] <ethana3> the funny thing is that one of those usb ports
[02:52] <ethana3> only works under linux
[02:52] <ethana3> not windows xp
[02:53] <DanaG> Aah.
[02:53] <DanaG> PCI sound cards are often better, too.
[02:54] <ethana3> oh yeah, and that USB port for the webcam, sometimes i use it for my motorola phone with bitpim ^_^
[02:55] <ethana3> well, I have one unused PCI slot..  and another with just a dialup modem
[02:56] <DanaG> I do bluetooth with my phone.
[02:56] <ethana3> yeah, this machine doesn't have bluetooth..
[02:57] <DanaG> Oh yeah, multiseat seems rather complicated; why are you setting up such a thing?
[02:57] <ethana3> because i have the hardware resources
[02:57] <ethana3> and i have the need; being:
[02:57] <ethana3> two computers, with close to $0 cost
[02:58] <ethana3> splitting half and half, each user gets 1.4GHz and 384MB of RAM i think
[02:58] <ethana3> plus their own 3d acceleration, of course
[02:58] <ethana3> this doesn't have to be complicated, it just needs software to do it via gui
[02:59] <ethana3> ..that's not proprietary, like whatever that one thing is..
[02:59] <DanaG> Aah.
[02:59] <ethana3> CRT's are free these days
[02:59] <DanaG> Except for the power bill, that is.
[02:59] <ethana3> and $40 for another computer..
[02:59] <ethana3> well yeah, that..
[03:00] <ethana3> $20 for the second mouse, $20 for the second keyboard, it gets reimbursed
[03:00] <ethana3> i had to fill out this paper about the purchase and what i was going to do with it
[03:00] <ethana3> so if nothing else, I've gone way to far to turn back.. and i don't want to, for a variety of other reasons
[03:01] <RAOF> Do they each get their own 3d accel?  Open hardware doesn't support DRI on two X servers at this point in time, IIRC.
[03:01] <ethana3> yes
[03:01] <ethana3> ohhhhh
[03:01] <ethana3> there are two gpu's, one intel integrated, one radeon from a previous machine
[03:01] <ethana3> nearly equivalent power
[03:02] <RAOF> Ah, right.  Yup, each seat can get its own 3d.
[03:02] <ethana3> if 3d won't work, fine, we can handle that later
[03:02] <ethana3> its a matter of realizing the theoretical via properly coded software
[03:03] <ethana3> dual seat happens to be extremely practical for us; i'm in this for the future, because i don't believe we're alone
[03:03] <ethana3> so if i can get two seats with no 3d and no sound for the moment, i'm good with it; that's what i need
[03:04] <ethana3> or perhaps just 3d on one.. to save on CPU power if nothing else
[03:05] <ethana3> the good part is that our community has NDA-free specs for both GPU's
[03:06] <DanaG> Intel and old ATI?
[03:06] <ethana3> yes
[03:10] <ethana3> for the sake of this channel's logs and the devs that may read them- my email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:13] <hydrogen> public logging is not allowed on this network without prior notification, so you better hope they are idling here :)
[03:15] <RAOF> !logs | hydrogen
[03:15] <ubotu> hydrogen: Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[03:16] <ethana3> i see
[03:16] <ethana3> i just realized something in displayconfig-gtk (Screens and Graphics)
[03:16] <ethana3> it allows for setting up multiple graphics cards; but you can't use multiple for multi head
[03:16] <ethana3> ...can you?
[03:17] <ethana3> so that would have to be there with the intent of facilitating what I'm doing already right?
[03:17] <RAOF> You can use multiple for multi-head.  Xinerama allows it.
[03:18] <ethana3> but wait, /this/ one doesn't even configure one graphics card.. am i imagining memories of it?
[03:18] <ethana3> oh, that's cool
[03:18] <hydrogen> RAOF: I sure hope that there is a message in the topic or join message about it then
[03:20] <ethana3> wait, hydrogen?  were you on #amarok-meeting?
[03:21] <ethana3> i think it may have been you, but you never know..  hydrogen /is/ the most common element in the universe..
[03:22] <ethana3> if they still need art, i may be able to help them out now
[03:22] <ethana3> .. it would be nice if hardy shipped with inkscape installed by default
[03:30] <DanaG> stupid **** Xorg.
[03:30] <DanaG> My ctrl key got stuck down.
[03:30] <DanaG> And it's not a hardware problem.
[03:30] <hydrogen> meh
[03:31] <hydrogen> who'd of guessed that alpha software would have bugz
[03:31] <hydrogen> ITS MISTERIUS
[03:31] <DanaG> The only way I can fix it is to ctrl-alt-backspace.
[03:35] <chowmeined> hydrogen, two months
[03:38] <hydrogen> wut?
[03:40] <chowmeined> hydrogen, two months until the final release for this LTS
[03:40] <hydrogen> I'm still not seeing your point
[03:40] <chowmeined> i would hope there wouldnt be so many huge bugs this close to release
[03:40] <hydrogen> please explain how complaining about bugs in alpha software in a channel dedicated to the support for it is at all productive?
[03:41] <chowmeined> calling it alpha software is an excuse
[03:41] <chowmeined> a crutch
[03:41] <hydrogen> .. the truth?
[03:41] <chowmeined> i dont care what you call it.. 2 months until release
[03:41] <chowmeined> thats the bottom line
[03:41] <RAOF> Before feature freeze.
[03:41] <hydrogen> when you have a 5-6 month release cycle that doesn't mean much
[03:42] <chowmeined> but this one happens to be LTS
[03:42] <hydrogen> it doesn't change the starting point
[03:45] <SeveredCross> 2 months is a pretty long time.
[03:49] <ethana4> this is handy: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/02/04/%23ubuntu+1.html
[04:01] <Andre_Gondim> is there someone from planet ubuntuu?
[04:02] <hydrogen> itsa bit inethical without notification.. but meh!
[04:02] <ethana4> i don't know.. probably
[04:02] <ethana4> i don't mind; i don't have anything to hide..
[04:03] <ethana4> it just means i don't have to keep track of pidgin's logs myself, because they're out there on someone else's server
[04:08] <chowmeined> ethana4, thats a naive argument
[04:10] <ethana4> chowmeined: i realize the ramifications of a lack of privacy extend beyond those who 'don't have anything to hide'...
[04:10] <ethana4> chowmeined: but in this instance i believe the benefits far outweigh the risks
[04:12] <ethana4> chowmeined: sorry, i phrased that weird, but you get what i mean
[04:18] <dazza> hi, xorg.conf looks very bare, is the x config managed differently in hardy? i'm looking for a way to get the nvidia drivers running
[04:19] <RAOF> dazza: I suggest running nvidia-xconfig.  Xorg is pretty much doing full autodetection now, but it doesn't choose to use the nvidia drivers.
[04:20] <RAOF> nvidia-xconfig should set up a basic nvidia-using xorg.conf
[04:20] <dazza> ok, thanks :)
[04:26] <dazza> hmm no luck yet, i'll poke around on the net
[04:29] <dn4> ahh the Hardy Heron
[04:29] <dn4> dn4@dn4:/mnt$ wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-4/hardy-server-i386.iso
[04:29] <dn4> Connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.
[04:29] <dn4> 6% [==>                                              ] 31,056,381   161.11K/s    ETA 32:29
[05:04] <Chris4585> i have a simple question, in hardy are they going to drasticly change the look? or even a little bit.
[05:04] <Gnine> no
[05:05] <Chris4585> ok, thanks
[05:41] <ethana4> Gnine: are you sure?  Now I'm sad
[05:44] <Gnine> sure like am running 8.04
[05:46] <hydrogen> all that means is it hasn't been added yet
[05:46] <ethana4> exactly
[05:46] <ethana4> we're far from artwork freeze
[05:48] <ethana4> and i understand they will make many improvements
[05:48] <ethana4> i don't know anyone who thinks 'wow, ubuntu looks pretty!'
[05:51] <blayde> i think the default theme is _much_ better than luna... but that's just me
[05:51] <SeveredCross> Really?
[05:51] <SeveredCross> My GF thinks it's pretty.
[05:51] <ethana4> there are many
[05:51] <SeveredCross> Especially when styled properly.
[05:51] <ethana4> and they all look awesome, imo
[05:51] <ethana4> the new ones, i mean
[05:55] <Gnine> most people will endup customising whatever default they get
[05:55] <Gnine> so it does not matter
[05:57] <hydrogen> completly disagree with that
[05:57] <hydrogen> Most people are not going to want to spend the time to customize the look, they are going to use the default
[05:57] <hydrogen> and they will decide what they use based on the default they see
[05:57] <hydrogen> customizing the look is an advanced feature
[06:01] <blayde> i showed my roommate (who is a noob) gnome-look the other day and he did alright once i showed him where to drag and drop
[06:02] <hydrogen> that still requires them to get there in the first place
[06:02] <blayde> perhaps there should be something in the help about it...
[06:02] <ethana4> default is very, very important
[06:02] <ethana4> yes, integrated
[06:02] <ethana4> like, repos
[06:02] <ethana4> for featured looks
[06:02] <hydrogen> thats what get hot new stuff is supposed to be about
[06:02] <ethana4> but we must have better defaults
[06:03] <Assid> emerald is messed up in the last update/alpha4
[06:03] <ethana4> oh, ok..
[06:03] <hydrogen> not sure if gnome hsa gotten around to supporting it yet
[06:03] <hydrogen> it's a fdo "standard" now
[06:03] <hydrogen> however
[06:04] <blayde> far as i can tell, the 'help' button on gutsy is broke in appearance preferences
[06:06] <Gnine> your emerald
[06:06] <Assid> gutsy has many issues
[08:34] <Tabenx> Hello, i currenly have a fairly unique problem. After restarting from setting up things the way i like them, it all seemed normal so i logged in and i see everything starting up but then all i have is a blank white screen. The only other thing i can see is my mouse pointer. Any suggestions?
[08:40] <slytherin> Is anyone experiencing frequent pidgin crashes on hardy?
[08:59] <JulesKahn> Hello. I just accidentally installed Hardy Heron instead of 7.10. I'd like to know the easiest way to get to 7.10 without having to burn a disc
[08:59] <JulesKahn> It was a clean installation over a drive with a burnt out XP install
[09:02] <pwnguin> hmm. does shipit still send individual discs?
[09:03] <JulesKahn> To clarify, if it would be overly complicated not to burn a disc, and if I can burn one while running Heron from disc, I would be able to download the correct installation disc right now
[09:04] <JulesKahn> Also, I really don't mind Heron so far, it's just that after I installed it and restarted, I was presented with GRUB and didn't know what to do
[09:04] <JulesKahn> :)
[09:05] <pwnguin> that is normal for me
[09:05] <pwnguin> except i know what to do ;)
[09:05] <JulesKahn> Do I just press enter?
[09:05] <JulesKahn> I actually didn't try that :P
[09:05] <pwnguin> yes
[09:05] <pwnguin> arrow keys and enter
[09:05] <JulesKahn> They told me over in #ubuntu to do that under the assumption that I had installed 7.10
[09:06] <JulesKahn> Okay. Any particular arrow keys that I should know about?
[09:06] <JulesKahn> heh
[09:06] <pwnguin> is the grub menu confusing you?
[09:06] <pwnguin> or am i misunderstanding something?
[09:06] <pwnguin> there's probably like three options
[09:06] <JulesKahn> Yeah. I'm a complete linux noob which is why I chose ubuntu
[09:06] <JulesKahn> Well, the grub menu appeared to just be a console
[09:06] <pwnguin> yea
[09:07] <pwnguin> wait
[09:07] <JulesKahn> I type help and was presented with a lot more than three options
[09:07] <pwnguin> thats bad =(
[09:07] <JulesKahn> oh
[09:07] <JulesKahn> Wellll
[09:08] <JulesKahn> I'd really like to get to the stable version if there's just some apt-get thing I can do. Or other linux jargon that I can type to get things to normal ubuntuness
[09:08] <pwnguin> apt-get can't upgrade
[09:08] <pwnguin> err
[09:08] <pwnguin> downgrade
[09:09] <JulesKahn> that makes sense
[09:09] <pwnguin> and generally, i dont think the packages support it
[09:09] <JulesKahn> Is there an installer I can download while I'm running from cd that won't require me to burn a cd?
[09:09] <pwnguin> ah, heh
[09:09] <pwnguin> i see the problem now
[09:10] <JulesKahn> heh heh...
[09:10] <pwnguin> well, you can try a USB boot
[09:10] <pwnguin> if you have a thumbdrive lying around big enough
[09:10] <JulesKahn> Yeah.. I had one earlier in the evening but returned it after backing up my files through knoppix
[09:11] <pwnguin> backing them up to what?
[09:11] <JulesKahn> external hd
[09:11] <JulesKahn> durr. i guess i could try booting from there
[09:13] <JulesKahn> Eh. I'm gonna try rebooting one more time. If I can't get it to work, I'll just wait until tomorrow when I can get another disc and do things right.
[09:14] <JulesKahn> Thanks a lot
[09:22] <ethana3> so if i enable proposed updates on an alpha OS, does my machine explode?
[09:23] <RAOF> ethana3: No.  There's nothing in there.
[09:24] <ethana3> oh
[09:25] <ethana3> that's like...
[09:25] <ethana3> i don't know.. lol
[09:39] <Konstigt> can someone help me with launchpad bug 188869 ? cannot get X starting correctly...
[09:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188869 in xorg "[hardy] Xorg crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188869
[09:46] <scizzo-> Konstigt: you should attach the backtrace also
[09:47] <scizzo-> actually its there nevermind
[09:48] <scizzo-> Konstigt: it wont start with the failsafe monitor config either?
[09:49] <Konstigt> scizzo-: yes it does but in failsafe I cannot use the mouse and I have us keyboard so I modified the failsafe config and changed so that no new xorg.conf.failsafe is generated. thats the file thats attached.
[09:50] <Konstigt> what ive changed is that ive added my touchpad, changed keyboard and added some options for my ps2 mouse to be able to click/doubleclick correctly.
[09:52] <scizzo-> Konstigt: try to use the same config but without the synaptics options
[09:52] <scizzo-> just to see what the effect is
[09:53] <scizzo-> remove the disable dri row also
[09:57] <DaBigEd> hey all
[10:08] <JulesKahn> Hey.. I accidentally installed Hardy Heron and want to install Gutsy. I can't burn discs right now though. Can I use Qemu to boot the Gutsy ISO from the live cd of Hardy Heron to install gutsy?
[10:10] <ethana3> no
[10:10] <slytherin> JulesKahn, Did you find the solution yet? if not I hav one for you
[10:11] <Roe1> Hi, my gnome-appearance-properties get's a sigsegv after starting up
[10:11] <Roe1> running gdb yields:
[10:11] <Roe1> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[10:11] <Roe1> [Switching to Thread 0x7f670d5ce6e0 (LWP 15704)]
[10:11] <Roe1> 0x0000003b9ac8d601 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
[10:11] <Roe1> (gdb) bt
[10:11] <Roe1> #0  0x0000003b9ac8d601 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
[10:11] <Roe1> #1  0x0000003a08215c39 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.2
[10:11] <Roe1> #2  0x0000003a08216e12 in gnome_bg_create_thumbnail ()
[10:11] <slytherin> JulesKahn, Check 'CD Image Approach' section at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[10:11] <Roe1>    from /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.2
[10:11] <Roe1> #3  0x000000000041d2a9 in gnome_wp_item_get_thumbnail ()
[10:11] <Roe1> #4  0x00000000004136ef in ?? ()
[10:11] <Roe1> #5  0x0000003b9e42a82e in g_hash_table_foreach ()
[10:11] <Roe1>    from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:11] <Roe1> #6  0x00000000004139d7 in ?? ()
[10:11] <Roe1> #7  0x0000003b9e4373e4 in g_main_context_dispatch ()
[10:11] <Roe1>    from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:12] <Roe1> #8  0x0000003b9e43a6f5 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:12] <Roe1> #9  0x0000003b9e43aa15 in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:12] <slytherin> Roe1, Please don't flood the channel
[10:12] <Roe1> #10 0x00000039ef545bd3 in IA__gtk_main ()
[10:12] <Roe1>     at /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.12.7/gtk/gtkmain.c:1163
[10:12] <Roe1> #11 0x0000000000417b7d in main ()
[10:12] <Roe1> (gdb) quit
[10:12] <Roe1> sorry
[10:12] <Roe1> I wasn't thinking
[10:12] <JulesKahn> slytherin, no I haven't found one yet
[10:12] <Roe1> should have provided a txt file and aa link
[10:12] <JulesKahn> I'll look at that link now
[10:12] <JulesKahn> But I don't have Windows installed, just this broken Hardy Heron install now
[10:13] <JulesKahn> it works from live cd but won't boot normally as far as I can tell
[10:13] <slytherin> JulesKahn, What is broken?
[10:14] <JulesKahn> When I reboot, GRUB gives me a command prompt with no other options
[10:14] <JulesKahn> when I type boot, it says the kernel isn't running
[10:14] <JulesKahn> and I don't know how to use the kernel command
[10:15] <slytherin> JulesKahn, Do you still have old kernel installed? Or did you remove it?
[10:15] <JulesKahn> I installed fresh from the hardy heron dvd
[10:15] <JulesKahn> I haven't removed anything
[10:15] <slytherin> JulesKahn, oops, I thought you upgraded
[10:15] <JulesKahn> Yeah
[10:16] <JulesKahn> I don't have any way of burning the 7.10 iso right now, so I was hoping to be able to boot it somehow from the live cd boot of hardy heron
[10:16] <JulesKahn> :-/
[10:16] <Roe1> So, now in a better way. This is my gdb backtrace of gnome-appearance-properties: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt
[10:16] <Roe1> any ideas?
[10:17] <ethana3> wait,if you can get the .iso
[10:17] <slytherin> JulesKahn, If you are brave enough, you can do some tweaking to the method described at that link. And you should be able to install gutsy. You don't really need Windows.
[10:17] <ethana3> you can put it on a partition
[10:17] <ethana3> i think
[10:17] <ethana3> and boot off of that like it was an optical disk
[10:18] <JulesKahn> ethana, that sounds like what I want to do
[10:18] <ethana3> i'll see if i can track down the method
[10:18] <JulesKahn> but I do not know how. I'm really quite a noob at all this, it was a stupid mistake to get heron.
[10:18] <slytherin> JulesKahn, put the iso in some drive's root and you will need to edit menu.lst file in existing installation
[10:18] <JulesKahn> okay. it's in my external's root right now
[10:19] <slytherin> JulesKahn, Won't do I think. It needs to be in internal drive's root. And is it 'Alternate CD' iso file?
[10:20] <ethana3> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[10:20] <JulesKahn> It's not the alternate
[10:20] <ethana3> that may be helpful
[10:20] <ethana3> although i guess there's always the chance that it may not
[10:20] <slytherin> ethana3, please use nicknames to specify who you are talking to. :-)
[10:21] <ethana3> JulesKahn: that may be Hgahh
[10:21] <ethana3> JulesKahn: helpful
[10:21] <JulesKahn> I'm reading that now
[10:21] <ethana3> JulesKahn: k ^_^
[10:22] <ethana3> JulesKahn: was your main thing having to download another iso or having to burn another disk?
[10:23] <ethana3> JulesKahn: ..cause you're going to need the .iso for the OS version you want
[10:23] <JulesKahn> The main thing was that I only have one drive on this computer
[10:24] <JulesKahn> So I can't actually burn a cd at the moment
[10:24] <ethana3> JulesKahn: then i think that link is what you want
[10:24] <JulesKahn> I have the iso I need
[10:24] <ethana3> good
[10:24] <ethana3> i must now sleep; i shall see you all later
[10:24] <JulesKahn> I'm reading that now although I am a complete linux noob, so translating it is not really something I feel capable of doing
[10:24] <ethana3> somebody please help him
[10:25] <JulesKahn> Thanks very much for your time and effort though, both of you
[10:25] <ethana3> yeah
[10:25] <ethana3> 'night
[10:25] <ethana3><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:25] <JulesKahn> I think I might also sleep and do this in a saner way tomorrow with a computer that can burn
[10:25] <ethana3> email me if you don't get help in a timely manner
[10:25] <JulesKahn> thanks :)
[10:25] <ethana3> oh, ok
[10:25]  * ethana3 leaves pidgin in channel to log; will not respond
[10:26] <Roe1> anyone on segmentation fault in gnome-appearance-properties? gdb log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt
[10:47]  * Davo_Dinkum wonders how he's supposed to tell which video is which on http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.conf.au/2008/
[10:47] <sque> Hi! Is there anyone familiar with PulseAudio?
[10:47] <Davo_Dinkum> oops wrong chan
[10:54]  * Roe1 sighes anxiously waiting a reply
[11:00] <Roe1> Also, the crash data from apport for the gnome-appearance-properties are here http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> All righty - a clean install of  Hardy - fixed some of my odd.. quirks. from the upgrade i had done. :)
[13:08] <taggie> anybody else having really bizarre gtk/gnome issues? metacity seems to be freaking out on me repeatedly. tried re-install to alpha 4 but as soon as i apply updates, back to the same odd behavior
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> taggie,  just did a install. and update. Not seeing any issues here.
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> what sort of issue?
[13:23] <taggie> lockups, where the mouse responds but keyboard doesn't. then suddenly things work again. clicking on apps/places/system doesn't hold the menus open anymore, have to click and drag to get to things in the menus
[13:24] <taggie> the only thing that i did beyond the most basic setup was enable fglrx in the driver manager.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> all seems to be working here.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> using the nvidia drivers. and just enabled compiz
[13:24] <taggie> yeah, no compiz here
[13:27] <avatar_> hmmm, just installed ufw (ubuntu firewall) in hardy
[13:28] <avatar_> and wondert why all my ssh sessions stopt working
[13:28] <avatar_> seems that the default ipv6 policy is block
[13:45] <Roe1> @anyone: I cannot run gnome-appearance-properties... it segfaults...
[13:45] <Roe1> gdb trace: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt | apport log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[16:26] <HellMin1> help => http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4267395#post4267395
[16:26] <HellMin1>  debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[16:26] <HellMin1> but is a lie
[16:44] <alinon> is there an easy way to increase the amount of lines the scroll wheel does at a time?
[16:50] <pdlnhrd> i just tried to to an dist-upgrade and on reboot it is not recognizing my root disk... is there anything i can do to fix this?
[17:09] <pdlnhrd> can anyone help with an issue with hardy heron where the root partition can not be found, it seems that the uuid's are messed up for the partitions
[17:16] <abbie> whats the proper way to upgrade to heron from gutsy - change sources.list or.... other
[17:24] <pdlnhrd> abbie:  i just did a sudo update-manager -d  and there was a option to do a dist upgrade
[17:31] <freakyy> hi all. im trying to upgrade to hardy, but the cpu frequency scaling doesnt work correctly. my laptop always switches off because the cpu becomes too hot. is there a possibility to stop the frequency scaling from working (tried stopping powernowd but doesnt help) so it keeps running at a low frequency?
[17:32] <freakyy> i need to do that on the command line
[17:32] <freakyy> because i can't start KDE/gnome/xfc
[17:33] <coolbhavi> hey I have a strange problem in hardy now
[17:33] <coolbhavi> my /dev/sda3 is linux and /dev/sda1 is xp
[17:34] <coolbhavi> when I try to open /dev/sda1 its locked even with root permissions
[17:34] <coolbhavi> Now if i reboot it isnt locked
[17:34] <coolbhavi> Is it a bug or am I missing something?
[17:35] <coolbhavi> anyone please
[17:36] <coolbhavi> its on kubuntu as well as ubuntu
[17:44] <Roe1> @anyone: I cannot run gnome-appearance-properties... it segfaults...
[17:44] <Roe1> gdb trace: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt | apport log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[18:17] <Oli```> Roe1: I've been having that for the last few days but just now (when I checked) it works again. Are you syncing with the main repo or are you on a local one closer to you?
[18:47] <haluk> hi, im using hardy heron and during the yi installation it depends libghc6-regex-compat-dev but i can't find in the repos. Do u have a suggestion?
[18:59] <stdin> haluk: the package ghc6 provides that
[19:00] <tretle> hi i was just wondering if someone could tell me  why xorg.conf 1 and xorg.conf 2 are there and whether they affect the system?
[19:00] <haluk> stdin, unfortunately it doesnt. ghc6 is installed but it doesn't provide
[19:01] <tretle> i understand why xorg.conf and xorg.conf failsafe are there
[19:01] <haluk> stdin, by the way libghc6-regex-compat-dev is in gutsy repos.
[19:02] <tretle> I am one of the guys that had the mouse not working isue and things went badly and ended up replacing xorg.conf with the failsafe one and then deleting xorg1 and 2 and now im trying to replace all of them with the gutsy ones to see if that makes a difference
[19:03] <stdin> haluk: apt-cache show ghc6 shows "Provides: ghc, haskell-compiler, libghc6-array-dev, libghc6-base-dev, libghc6-bytestring-dev, libghc6-cabal-dev, libghc6-containers-dev, libghc6-directory-dev, libghc6-filepath-dev, libghc6-haskell98-dev, libghc6-hpc-dev, libghc6-old-locale-dev, libghc6-old-time-dev, libghc6-packedstring-dev, libghc6-pretty-dev, libghc6-process-dev, libghc6-random-dev, libghc6-readline-dev, libghc6-rts-dev, libghc6-template-haskell-d
[19:03] <stdin> ev, libghc6-unix-dev"
[19:24] <ubuntu> hi; i'm on a fresh ubuntu hardy aplha4 and i can't install the restricted nvidia driver for my geforce 7600 go; jockey-gtk (system/administration/driver setup) crash when trying to install the driver; can anybody, please, help me? is this a bug? is the nvidia binary module for 2.6.24-5 kernel missing?
[19:29] <ubun2> nobody here can help me?
[19:37] <Roe1> @Oli I use a dutch mirror
[19:39] <Roe1> @Oli``` I use a dutch mirror
[19:40] <Assid> man.. i strongly suggest having the package for controling the brightness on lcd's fixed
[19:41] <Assid> it keeps changing the brightness and bugging me more than any crash
[19:43] <ubun2> Assid: hi; i spoke to you yesterday; i was on kubuntu; now i'm on ubuntu hardy estralpha4; same thing is happening with nvidia restricted driver; can you, please, help me?
[19:43] <ubun2> *ubuntu hardy aplha 4
[19:45] <ubun2> i'm on a fresh ubuntu hardy aplha4 and i can't install the restricted nvidia driver for my geforce 7600 go; jockey-gtk (system/administration/driver setup) crash when trying to install the driver; can anybody, please, help me? is this a bug? is the nvidia binary module for 2.6.24-5 kernel missing?
[19:46] <bardyr_> ubotu, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[19:46] <bardyr_> ubun2, ^^
[19:47] <ubun2> bardyr_: there is no nvidia-glx-new
[19:47] <ubun2> synaptic doesn't show it
[19:47] <Roe1> My gnome-appearance-properties is still segfaulting
[19:47] <Roe1> nobody any ideas?
[19:47] <bardyr_> ubun2, strange, im using atm with your card :)
[19:48] <Roe1> it faults in libc while creating a thumbnail.
[19:48] <bardyr_> ubun2, have you enabled the multiverse/restricted software sources
[19:48] <Assid> ubun2: did it install the driver from the driver manager?
[19:49] <Roe1> the screen shown shows all thumbnails for themes there except for the Custom theme (I see this screen because I run it in gdb of course)
[19:49] <ubun2> bardyr_: sorry, my mistake; in synaptic is not shown but it is installing from the command line :| but this is still very strage - on kubuntu it doesn't install neither from command line nor from adept
[19:49] <ubun2> Assid: driver manager crash
[19:49] <Assid> crash ?
[19:49] <Roe1> Oli``` also had this problem, but it solved itself for him, wondering how I might do this myself
[19:49] <ubun2> Assid: it just sent its report to ubuntu
[19:50] <Assid> weird m8.. weird.. i got an nvidia card on my desktop.. it works fine there
[19:50] <Assid> although i hate the idea it saves the time inUTC
[19:50] <Assid> dualbooting causes issues
[19:50] <Assid> err bbiab.. star trek
[19:51] <ubun2> Assid: i believe you; but belive me - on kubuntu hardu alpha 4 refuses to install (missing?) from terminal/konsole and it doesn't shoe in adept neither
[19:51] <Assid> weird.. report it ?
[19:51] <Assid> brb
[19:51] <ubun2> Assid: i'll do it
[19:53] <niklas> I have problem with audio when am playing a movie. It disappears maybe 10 seconds and is working 45 sec. Then 10 seconds again and so on. I have had this problem before and I did something with ubuntu 7.10. Am currently using 8.04 alpha4. Please advice
[19:53] <Roe1> what does top say?
[19:54] <niklas> Roe1, you mean me?
[19:54] <Roe1> niklas: sorry, yes
[19:55] <niklas> Roe1, top says that vlc is using 7% of the cpu. Everything seems normal
[19:55] <nanonyme> 7% constantly?
[19:55] <Roe1> niklas, okay, and are you running tracker by any chance?
[19:55] <niklas> naa, its now 8.3%. An now 6.0%
[19:56] <niklas> idle is on 80-85%
[19:57] <niklas> Yeah, I do running tracker
[19:57] <niklas> It's currently searching... I think...
[19:57] <Roe1> niklas: try running: sudo pkill -9 tracker
[19:57] <Roe1> and see if it helps
[19:58] <niklas> okay, lets see
[19:58] <niklas> Okay. it did not disappeared.
[19:59] <Roe1> niklas: and: ps aux | grep tracker    doesn't show tracker running anymore?
[20:00] <niklas> Roe1, Yeah, a tracker is running. Killing that one too
[20:00] <Andre_Gondim> when I starting alpha 4 I have this http://pastebin.ca/891614 and stops in bash, I need to write exit to continuos, what does I need to do?
[20:01] <niklas> Roe1, Na, it was not running. confused. hehe. Tracker is not running! I had the same problem with ubuntu 7.10 on this problem. I rerun some configuration and the problem was gone. I think.... ;-)
[20:02] <Roe1> niklas: kk, I had the problem with tracker several times, well, it was worth a shot, sorry...
[20:03] <Roe1> @anyone: really noone any idea on gnome-appearance-properties segfaulting??
[20:03] <Roe1> or at least a confirmation?
[20:04] <bardyr_> Roe1, what does the terminal say?
[20:04] <Roe1> (gnome-appearance-properties:32091): appearance-properties-WARNING **: Unknown Tag: comment
[20:04] <Roe1> (gnome-appearance-properties:32091): appearance-properties-WARNING **: Unknown Tag: comment
[20:04] <Roe1> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[20:05] <Roe1> gdb says it segfaults at libc after creating a thumbnail
[20:05] <niklas> Am gonna reboot and plug in my soundblaster live! card instead...
[20:05] <Roe1> gdb trace: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt | apport log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[20:10] <Roe1>  echo "print all" | sudo parted -s /dev/sda print all
[20:11] <Roe1> Andre_Gondim^^
[20:11] <Roe1> replace /dev/sda with /dev/hda
[20:11] <Roe1> let's get an idea of your setup first
[20:12] <Roe1> bardyr_: any ideas?
[20:13] <Andre_Gondim> Roe1, http://pastebin.ca/891624
[20:15] <Roe1> @Andre_Gondim: so it is checking /dev/hdc1 which does not exist as a partition on any harddrive....
[20:16] <Roe1> what does you /etc/fstab say?
[20:16] <Andre_Gondim> Roe1, but does not have this partition in fstab, how do Ubuntu do this?
[20:17] <Andre_Gondim> Roe1, sorry I'm wrong, there was, I comented
[20:18] <Roe1> @Andre_Gondim: well, reboot, let us know if it works
[20:18] <Roe1> I think it will...
[20:18] <Roe1> I wonder how it got there....
[20:18] <Andre_Gondim> Roe1, thanks =]
[20:18] <Roe1> ur welcome
[20:19] <Roe1> still hoping for anyone to confirm or help me with my gnome-appearance-properties.....
[20:21] <PriceChild> Roe1, what is up with it?
[20:22] <Roe1> it segfaults
[20:22] <Roe1> read my posts around 09:04 PM
[20:27] <Assid> err.. someone should update the ubuntu database to have 8.3 as stable for postgres
[20:39] <Roe1> well if nobody has an idea
[20:39] <Roe1> I'll just wait for it to be fixed in a new package version or something...
[20:42] <Roe1> anyway thx
[22:51] <Dr_Willis> Howdys all. Day 2 of testing out hardy. - Anyone else notice the default shadow colors for compiz  being like.. err.. Purplish-red?
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> Does the avahi ssh browser work for anyone?  Its not seeing my other 2 linux machines here.
[23:24] <thorns> Hey everyone!
[23:24] <thorns> I want to install kde4-core on a fresh new install of Hardy.
[23:24] <thorns> I'm sure you can tell me what's not working, right?
[23:26] <thorns> It's a dependancy issue. It wants to remove kde3 and its software packages, but it doesn't after I accept the solution from aptitude.
[23:27] <thorns> Oh, it's not installable.
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> Not a lot of chatting in here right now. :)
[23:27] <thorns> :-/
[23:28] <thorns> Yeah, I don't mind.
[23:28] <thorns> Ah I think I found the issue. :)
[23:28] <thorns> Pretty stupid of me, I'm just not that fast minded.
[23:29] <thorns> kdebase-kde4, -runtime and -workspace are not available
[23:29] <thorns> Probably not built yet for Hardy
[23:30] <thorns> More the less for amd64
[23:30] <thorns> Then I'll wait.
[23:51] <hmuller> Evening all, I've been trying to tackle pulseaudio on the desktop amd64 alpha 4 and not having any luck
[23:52] <hmuller> anyone present familiar enough with pulseaudio to provide any pointers?
[23:53] <crimsun> sure, what do you need?
[23:54] <hmuller> I'm new to pulseaudio, have read pulseaudio on the ubuntu wiki, and pulseaudio's perfectsetup...
[23:54] <hmuller> have tried those methods and additional found using google...
[23:55] <hmuller> just trying to get sound working like it did in Gutsy
[23:55] <crimsun> well, does ALSA work properly?
[23:55] <crimsun> in a Terminal:  pasuspender -- aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[23:56] <crimsun> meaning:  is that sound audible?
[23:56] <hmuller> I'm back in Gutsy ... I'll have to log back in to Hardy to test that
[23:57] <hmuller> I've tried aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav, which didn't display an error, but didn't play any sound either
[23:57] <crimsun> much of my live troubleshooting mandates you actually be running the "problematic" install
[23:57] <hmuller> go on ...
[23:57] <crimsun> (I'm waiting for you to actually reboot into hardy.)
[23:58] <hmuller> ah... back soon


[04:07] <Mirv_> morning
[04:09] <mlankhorst> morning!
[05:30] <pitti> Good morning
[05:31] <desrt> pitti: thanks for reminding me that it's past my bed time
[05:31] <desrt> good night!
[05:31] <pitti> heh
[05:31] <pitti> desrt: sleep well!
[06:59] <jibel> good morning
[06:59] <didrocks> salut jibel, bon week-end?
[07:00] <jibel> salut didrocks! très bon w.e. et toi ?
[07:01] <didrocks> jibel: pareil! plutôt resté à l'intérieur à cause de la pluie, juste marché 12 kms :/ mais bon… Aujourd'hui grand soleil (le seul jour jusqu'à lundi prochain apparemment)
[07:09] <Mirv> we had some summer cottage preparation work, healthy outside exercise
[07:10] <didrocks> Mirv: oh nice, lucky you! I wish summer will finally starts here for more than a day :)
[07:10] <didrocks> or at least, spring!
[07:35] <Sweetshark> Goood Moin!
[07:36] <didrocks> oh, it's a Sweetshark :)
[07:37]  * Sweetshark feels much cooler now, having collected the business card of a member of parlament on the weekend ...
[07:37] <Sweetshark> Achievement Unlocked
[07:38] <didrocks> :)
[07:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: Please tell me I dont have to do this, and that it perfectly fine to upload a still somewhat shaky LibreOffice-4.1.0~beta1 to saucy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1182170/comments/7
[07:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1182170 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "libreoffice FTBFS in saucy" [High,In progress]
[07:42] <Sweetshark> :/
[07:55] <didrocks> tjaalton: mlankhorst: jibel seems to have issues with the nvidia module not loading on saucy, is that known?
[08:01] <mlankhorst> log?
[08:01] <mlankhorst> and nvidia kernel module, or xorg driver module
[08:16] <seb128> hey desktopers, happy monday
[08:16] <didrocks> salut seb128, joyeux lundi! :)
[08:16] <mlankhorst> bonjour
[08:16] <seb128> didrocks, lut, à toi aussi ;-)
[08:16] <seb128> mlankhorst, hey
[08:42] <jibel> didrocks, mlankhorst bug 1184536 with nvidia compiz starts but not unity
[08:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1184536 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity failed to load with nvidia-current" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1184536
[08:44] <didrocks> yeah, so all those Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
[08:44] <didrocks> this is understing, any idea mlankhorst?
[08:45] <mlankhorst> looks like libGL.so is wrong
[08:45] <mlankhorst> you're probably using mesa libgl against nvidia somehow
[08:48] <mlankhorst> hm weirder, still
[08:52] <didrocks> mlankhorst: any way, we can provide more info?
[08:53] <mlankhorst> tseliot might know more, what does glxinfo say?
[08:53] <didrocks> jibel: ^
[08:53]  * tseliot looking
[08:54] <mlankhorst> it really looks like a wrongly installed nvidia driver to me, though
[08:54] <didrocks> Mirv: we should have done Qt today, with this issue on jenkins :p
[08:54] <jibel> mlankhorst, tseliot output of glxinfo attached to the report
[08:55] <mlankhorst> now that's weird
[08:55] <mlankhorst> and if you start compiz in the same way?
[08:56] <tseliot> jibel: also what's the output of this command? update-alternatives --display x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf
[08:57] <tseliot> err... direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[08:57] <mlankhorst> tseliot: yeah I have no idea what's going on there
[08:59] <tseliot> mlankhorst: doesn't glxinfo call glXQueryExtension?
[09:01] <mlankhorst> it should
[09:01] <mlankhorst> I have no idea how the errors from the gnome-session can be from the same configuration..
[09:01] <jibel> tseliot, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1184536/+attachment/3687714/+files/update-alternatives.log
[09:01] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1184536 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity failed to load with nvidia-current" [Undecided,New]
[09:02] <tseliot> jibel: yes, it looks fine, as the rest. I don't think it depends on the nvidia package
[09:02] <mlankhorst> jibel: just to be sure, starting unity manually fails too?
[09:05] <jibel> mlankhorst, it fails too
[09:05] <mlankhorst> ldd /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so |grep GL ?
[09:07] <jibel> mlankhorst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706210/
[09:08] <mlankhorst> looks sane enough
[09:08] <mlankhorst> i have no idea in what funny way you messed up your system :/
[09:09] <jibel> mlankhorst, I don't know either, I'm just running a standard saucy and apt-get install nvidia-current :)
[09:10] <tseliot> jibel: was it a clean installation of Saucy?
[09:10] <jibel> tseliot, upgraded from raring but nothing fancy
[09:11] <tseliot> hmm...
[09:13] <tseliot> jibel: one last thing: what's the output of ps aux | grep X
[09:13] <jibel> tseliot, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706215/
[09:15] <tseliot> jibel: it is weird. Can you reproduce it across reboots?
[09:16] <tseliot> jibel: also, what's the output of "dkms status"
[09:17] <jibel> tseliot, I did not count how many reboots since this morning, and it fails reliably :) output of dkms http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706223/
[09:18] <tseliot> jibel: and what happens if you uninstall nvidia? Does compiz work properly?
[09:19] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, although there is always enough Qt stuff for me to do :)
[09:20] <tseliot> mlankhorst: I'm wondering if something changed in Xlib and maybe compiz needs to be rebuilt against it
[09:20] <Mirv> it's good that saucy Qt is about set up now, for anything that builds against it
[09:20] <didrocks> Mirv: ok, keep me posted if you need to upgrade anything to saucy, let's use that downtime in a profitable way :)
[09:20] <Mirv> didrocks: I will, currently looking at some precise/quantal Qt updates
[09:20] <mlankhorst> tseliot: I have no idea, sounds weird if that was the case
[09:20] <tseliot> very
[09:24] <tseliot> jibel: and another thing you can check is if running a guest session works
[09:27] <mitya57> Sweetshark: when you asked your question seb128 was not here yet, please ask it again
[09:27]  * mitya57 wants fixed libreoffice because it currently blocks poppler transition
[09:34] <jibel> tseliot, ah, a guest session works fine
[09:35] <tseliot> jibel: so I guess something wrong must have happened to your compiz settings. Something like this should help: dconf reset -f /org/compiz/
[09:35] <tseliot> jibel: log in with your username this time
[09:39] <seb128> mitya57, xnox was working on making libreoffice build on saucy's toolchain
[09:40] <mitya57> seb128: did you read Sweetshark's last comments on bug 1182170?
[09:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1182170 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "libreoffice FTBFS in saucy" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182170
[09:40] <seb128> mitya57, no, I didn't even know about that bug
[09:41] <mitya57> actually the question was: <Sweetshark> seb128: Please tell me I dont have to do this, and that it perfectly fine to upload a still somewhat shaky LibreOffice-4.1.0~beta1 to saucy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1182170/comments/7
[09:41] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1182170 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "libreoffice FTBFS in saucy" [High,In progress]
[09:42] <seb128> mitya57, well, it seems like Sweetshark is on it
[09:43] <jibel> tseliot, a reset fixed it, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706270/ this is the diff of the dconf settings before and after the reset if it helps
[09:43] <jibel> didrocks, ^
[09:43] <mitya57> yes, but either he should upload 4.1 beta or we won't see the fix any time soon :)
[09:44] <tseliot> I'm no expert in compiz settings, hopefully Didier will shed light on it
[09:45] <jibel> tseliot, thanks for your help
[09:45] <tseliot> jibel: np
[09:48] <didrocks> jibel: weird, that you have ccp, I'll try to reproduce the upgrade
[09:48] <didrocks> seems some plugins didn't stick from the upgrade
[09:49] <didrocks> (some missing plugins, the most noticeable being the opengl one)
[10:00] <Sweetshark> 09:42 < Sweetshark> seb128: Please tell me I dont have to do this, and that it perfectly fine to upload a still somewhat shaky LibreOffice-4.1.0~beta1 to saucy:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1182170/comments/7
[10:00] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1182170 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "libreoffice FTBFS in saucy" [High,In progress]
[10:00] <Sweetshark> :/
[10:00] <seb128> Sweetshark, your call ... define "shaky libreoffice"?
[10:01] <seb128> Sweetshark, but uploading 4.1.0 beta1 wfm
[10:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: well, as a beta it hasnt seen too much testing (Its only 4 days old and has so far only seen testing by those who are nuts enough to try daily builds of libreoffice ;) )
[10:08] <seb128> Sweetshark, are libreoffice betas usually stable enough to get work done? or do they segfault every 5 minutes when you are trying to edit documents?
[10:10] <Sweetshark> seb128: I wouldnt exclude the possibility of the second, at least for beta1. beta2 is usually better.
[10:10] <seb128> Sweetshark, seems like it would be better to keep beta1 in a ppa then?
[10:11] <Sweetshark> seb128: So, no, I dont really feel comfortable dumping beta1 on the archive right now. I just dont like to bisect 10000 commits :/.
[10:11] <seb128> Sweetshark, what are you looking for in those 10000 commits? a fix for the failing test?
[10:11] <mlankhorst> Sweetshark: only 14 iterations!
[10:11] <seb128> Sweetshark, how long does a build take on your box? you said it's 16 build at max
[10:12] <seb128> seems like you just need to let your box work for a day for that?
[10:12] <Sweetshark> seb128: Yep, any first 4.1/saucy upload should spend some time in a PPA. After all, our build also might be somewhat different from the upstream one (e.g. trouble introduced by our gcc/boost/whatever ...)
[10:14] <Sweetshark> seb128: the builds arent what is annoying -- 4.0 doesnt build unpatched against our saucy gcc/boost, so I have to patch/backport the build fixes on each step ....
[10:15] <seb128> oh, "fun"
[10:15] <seb128> Sweetshark, what is failing, a test? can't you just disable that test until we get 4.1 beta 2 ?
[10:17] <Sweetshark> seb128: yep, that would work.
[10:17] <seb128> Sweetshark, then what about doing that?
[10:18] <Sweetshark> seb128: In seems like the lazy thing to do, but really is probably the right thing to do indeed.
[10:19]  * Sweetshark checks how far beta2 is off.
[10:19] <seb128> Sweetshark, well, "lazy" ... there are only so many hours in a day, that issue doesn't seem worth spending days on
[10:20] <Sweetshark> beta2 is June, 3rd-9th. Seems reasonable to go directly for that.
[10:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: Have I told you recently that I love you? ;)
[10:21] <seb128> haha
[10:42] <pitti> nous aimons tous seb128 !
[10:42]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[10:43]  * pitti te donne une accolade en retour
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: ça va ?
[10:44] <seb128> pitti, oui, ça va bien, il fait beau aujourd'hui !
[10:44] <seb128> et toi ?
[10:44] <pitti> je me sense comme hiver à nouveau
[10:44] <pitti> beacoup de pluie tout le week-end
[10:45] <pitti> et 6 °C
[10:45] <seb128> :-(
[10:45] <seb128> ici il a fait beau samedi
[10:45] <seb128> 15°C et du soleil
[10:45] <pitti> je le veux aussi !
[12:35] <jbicha> seb128: vala-0.20 will be default for saucy right?
[12:35] <seb128> jbicha, not decided, 0.18 is still default for the moment, why?
[12:35] <seb128> we need to test build the unity lenses with 0.20 and check they are still working before looking at changing
[12:36] <jbicha> I was just curious since Debian dropped 0.18 and .20 is default there
[12:37] <seb128> ok, I see no reason to not change if everything is working fine
[12:37] <seb128> we just need to test rebuild what is on the CD
[12:39] <jbicha> by the way it looks like gnome-shell 3.6 doesn't really work with gtk 3.8
[12:39] <seb128> hum, nobody tested that during all the time we were preparing gtk 3.8? what is the issue?
[12:41] <jbicha> darkxst said "it's getting stuck trying to read the mouse pointer position"
[12:41] <jbicha> clicks aren't working and it very quickly gets too bogged down to do anything
[12:42] <seb128> what is needed to update gnome-shell to 3.8?
[12:43] <jbicha> gnome-desktop3 which didn't look like too bad of a transition except that g-s-d will need some work
[12:43] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/log/?qt=grep&q=gnome-desktop
[12:43] <seb128> no g-s-d/g-c-c
[12:43] <seb128> e.g for input methods
[12:44] <jbicha> right, I meant backporting several commits (so that g-s-d can rebuild) and checking to make sure things still work
[12:45] <jbicha> we'll also need gsettings-desktop-schemas but we reverted the 2 commits that drop schemas we're still using
[15:24] <pitti> seb128: do we already have some plan to update to g-s-d 3.8?}
[15:24] <pitti> seb128: 3.6's power plugin doesn't work all that well with current logind (bug 1180513)
[15:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1180513 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "lid close actions are ignored laptop always suspends" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180513
[15:24] <pitti> I can backport the necessary changes, but want to avoid effort if we are going to update to 3.8 anyway
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, g-s-d/g-c-c are a bit tricky due to input methods/ibus and fallback mode drop in 3.8
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, we will eventually do it, but focus is on the phone and I'm not sure how much time we can spend sorting out g-s-d/g-c-c updates this cycle
[15:58] <pitti> seb128: ack, thanks
[16:22] <jbicha> software-center is pretty fragile here, by just clicking around I can get it to crash and it takes X down with it
[16:32] <desrt> jbicha: sounds like X is fragile, rather
[16:32] <seb128> jbicha, xorg going down is an xorg issue, you should report a bug with your Xorg.log
[16:33] <ogra_> just use Mir :P
[16:33] <desrt> ;)
[16:34]  * didrocks waves good evening
[16:34] <desrt> didrocks: ciao!
[16:34] <didrocks> desrt: see you tomorrow!