[02:45] <Unit193> utkarsh2102: Hellos!  It looks like you do uploads of ruby2.7, would you be willing to sponsor one for me or is that one more complicated than others?
[08:02] <utkarsh2102> Unit193: hello cap'n o/; by all means, I'll be happy to sponsor (or you can upload yourself if you want to ;)).
[08:06] <utkarsh2102> Unit193: please tell me it'll fix: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ruby2.7?
[08:06] <utkarsh2102> I've no clue why that's failing :/
[08:08] <Unit193> Heh, sorry but no.
[08:21] <Unit193> utkarsh2102: Anywho, http://paste.openstack.org/show/LLNapVfZGjJTBSOGWX9J
[08:22] <utkarsh2102> Unit193: could we add this in Debian first and I'll do a merge w/ Ubuntu, if that's ok?
[08:23] <utkarsh2102> so we don't have a big delta to carry
[08:23] <Unit193> utkarsh2102: I don't want to deal with any post-freeze stuff. :3  This fixes my issue, don't think it adds any issues.  If you do, please swap email to @debian.org though.
[08:25] <utkarsh2102> Unit193: alrighty; I'll upload to sid -> merge it w/ here. I'll swing this by kanashiro once, too.
[08:28] <Unit193> utkarsh2102: Well even better!  Thanks.
[10:02] <nomad_fr> Hi, since upgrade to 21.04 I can made my resume from ecrypted swap work
[10:03] <nomad_fr> during boot I have : gave up waiting for suspend/resume device
[10:03] <nomad_fr> if I switch to unencrypted swap resume from swap work again
[10:03] <nomad_fr> I did this : https://lab.neuronfarm.net/nomad/wiki-system/wiki/encrypt-swap-Ubuntu-20.04
[12:36] <Laney> sil2100: phew, there's comments for you, sorry it's verbose
[12:37] <sil2100> On it!
[14:37] <sil2100> Laney: ...ok, I think I won't be able to action on your comments today, but I'll do that tomorrow for sure o/
[14:38] <Laney> 👍
[15:43] <seb128> dbungert, one side comment about your irssi merge, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to increase the chance of getting a review
[15:43] <seb128> I did that now for this one
[15:50] <dbungert> I appreciate it seb128.
[15:50] <seb128> np!


[06:57] <ara> good morning all :)
[09:59] <mac_v> MacSlow: mpt: kwwii: https://launchpad.net/bugs/387626 , "wireless notification icon is wrong signal strength" not sure if notify-osd is causing this... maybe this just needs a better icon?
[10:02] <MacSlow> mac_v, that's certainly an issue of the apps using the notification system
[10:04] <MacSlow> mac_v, btw... since this is on UNR, which I never worked on directly myself... I can not even do a wild guess which app might be mixing up icons there
[10:05] <MacSlow> could be a icon-theme issue
[10:05] <mac_v> MacSlow: This is the same behaviour in laptops too... i dont think previously wireless connection showed signal strength in notifications[as far as i can remember], any particular reason why those icons were created?
[10:06] <MacSlow> the icon "encodes" the signal-reception strength at connection-establishment-time
[10:06] <MacSlow> that's how they are meant to be used
[10:07] <MacSlow> there are different icon-sets within the Human icon-time for different types of wireless networks
[10:07] <SiDi> mac_v: maybe NetworkManager is meant to use the appropriate icons and doesnt
[10:07] <MacSlow> that would be my guess too
[10:07] <SiDi> sounds obvious now, didnt tell you the other day cause my brain was under a disk check
[10:07] <mac_v> i understand that , but that functionality doesnt exist as of now in nm
[10:08] <SiDi> report it as a bug, set the milestone to karmic, and we'll see :)
[10:08] <mac_v> kwwii: so maybe a new icon?
[10:08] <SiDi> i think they have the time to do it, it's an easy fix imo
[10:08] <SiDi> mac_v: there are ~12 wireless icons, why a new icon ? :|
[10:09] <mac_v> ;p , its just fun making them ;p
[10:09] <SiDi> either nm codes the thing as it's meant to, and everyone is happy and there are fluffy kittens and bunnies dancing together in the meadow, or there is a bug
[10:10] <SiDi> mac_v: let me know when you retargeted 387626 to network manager please :p
[10:14] <mpt> mmmmm, delicious kittens
[10:14] <mac_v> SiDi: done, i just have to search if there are any upstream bugs, but i guess this only affects ubuntu
[10:15] <mac_v> mpt: speaking of delicious kittens > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKTsWjbjQ8E
[10:21] <SiDi> mac_v: yes of course its an ubuntu-only bug
[10:24] <SiDi> mac_v: nice vid
[10:24] <mac_v> !!! i added the nomination for network manager and notify-osd also got nominated !
[10:25] <mac_v> SiDi: i thought you like cats , didnt realize this is how you prefered them ;p
[10:26] <SiDi> mac_v: i'm gonna let my cat know about your petting habbits, she'll raise an army and take care of cooking yourself to your own convenience
[10:27] <mac_v> SiDi: that video reminds me of kwwii's blog about veg guests
[10:29] <mac_v> mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues#Hassle-Free%20In-Session%20Updates , your thoughts?
[10:31] <kwwii> man, someone actually reads my blog? amazing
[10:32] <mac_v> kwwii: ;p dont get too exited ... just that one  , since i have veg relatives
[10:32] <mpt> mac_v, did you write this? This is nice work
[10:32] <mac_v> mpt: yeah.. oh i forgot to sign it
[10:33] <kwwii> ;)
[10:33] <mpt> mac_v, I have a mockup quite like <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=UM-SS.png> sitting on my desk waiting for me to finish :-)
[10:33] <mac_v> thanx
[10:33] <SiDi> kwwii: indeed :p
[10:33] <mpt> except mine has a scrawled note "missing total size for download"
[10:34] <SiDi> (i read the planet actually)
[10:35] <mac_v> :)
[10:36] <mpt> mac_v, the total size on your mockups needs a better place too, it looks a bit lost
[10:36] <mpt> Maybe as the first sentence of the secondary text
[10:37] <mpt> "31 MB will need to be downloaded. If you don't want to install the updates now, ..."
[10:37] <mpt> which could then sometimes be "The updates have already been downloaded. If you don't want to install them now, ..."
[10:37] <mac_v> mpt: surely , it can use some of the UX teams touch and polish ,
[10:38] <mac_v> mpt: but we have to be careful not to use too many words
[10:39] <mpt> sure, there's a balance between minimizing words and minimizing visual elements
[10:41] <mac_v> also offering the user to *not* install , should be also minimized
[10:41] <mpt> mac_v, sorry, not sure what you mean
[10:42] <mpt> Do you mean downplaying the option to not install updates?
[10:42] <mac_v> mpt: when we keep presenting with: " If you don't want to install the updates now..." it is offering a choice not to
[10:42] <MacSlow> uff -> http://macslow.net/clips/notify-osd-with-all-new-rendering.ogv
[10:42] <mpt> true
[10:43] <mac_v> we need to not offer such choices, rather "Is can also be installed later from" is not ideal
[10:43] <mac_v> it is^
[10:43] <mac_v>  rather "It is can also be installed later from" is ideal!
[10:44] <mpt> MacSlow, nice work
[10:45] <SiDi> MacSlow: will you work on blur only around the mouse region now ? :P
[10:45] <mpt> mac_v, I don't understand either of those :-/
[10:45] <MacSlow> mpt, the blur-cache has been the nastiest thing sofar in notify-osd to do (especially considering the code-refactoring needed)
[10:45] <mac_v> mpt: just a sec...
[10:46]  * MacSlow looks for a sharp, hard and pointy object to throw at SiDi
[10:46] <SiDi> a kitten ?
[10:47] <SiDi> MacSlow: anyway, congratulations :)
[10:47] <mpt> mac_v, neither "Is can" and "It is can" are not phrases that happen in English. My best guess is "It can" for both, but you're trying to distinguish between the two, so...
[10:47] <SiDi> It is can ? :/
[10:48]  * mpt mangles his own first sentence
[10:49] <mac_v> mpt: i was in the midst of something... so messed up the line... i'll explain in a sec
[10:50] <MacSlow> SiDi, since when are kitten hard, sharp or pointy?
[10:50] <MacSlow> kittens are living fur-balls
[10:51] <SiDi> MacSlow: when they're angry, their claws can be sharp and pointy !
[10:51] <MacSlow> SiDi, but overall they are all fuzzy and soft
[10:52] <SiDi> i dont mind, i like kittens :P
[10:52] <kallepersson> MacSlow: very, very nice.
[10:53] <mac_v> mpt: when you are offering something and you want it to be chosen, the other options also needs to reinforce the choice you want the user to choose. here for example , you want the user to install, so all options need to positive reinforce only the "Install" , so the words should not say "if you dont want to install"
[10:53] <MacSlow> kallepersson, hey there... thanks
[10:53] <mpt> mac_v, ah, so you mean "If you want to install them later" would be better than "If you don't want to install them now"
[10:53] <mac_v> mpt: rather "You can install later" is the ideal choice of words
[10:53] <mac_v> yeah
[10:53] <mpt> fair enough
[10:55] <mpt> The problem then becomes, how do you say "If you want to install them later, choose 'Update Manager' ... no, not now, silly, do that when you actually want to install them"
[10:55] <mpt> The current text does that with "later" at the end of the sentence, but if we said "If you want to install them later", we'd be using the word "later" twice in the same short sentence.
[10:56] <mac_v> mpt: thats why i had worded it "You can also install them later"
[10:56] <mpt> ahhhhh
[10:56] <mpt> "You can also install them later by choosing ..."
[10:56] <mpt> neat
[10:56] <mac_v> yeah
[10:57]  * mpt tries to think of a shorter synonym for "Alternatively"
[10:57] <mpt> "Or" is shorter, but is weird as the first word of a paragraph
[11:03] <mac_v> or/instead are negative words , Alternatively is positive
[11:04] <mac_v> mpt: "You can also choose to install them later, by selecting..."
[11:05] <SiDi> Otherwise is slightly shorter
[11:05] <mac_v> SiDi: otherwise is also negative
[11:05] <SiDi> mac_v: you're negativ
[11:05] <mac_v> ;p
[12:10]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[13:36] <hyperair> does anyone here use a dual head display?
[13:36] <hyperair> notify-osd's notifications disappeared =\
[13:36] <hyperair> something about not being able to find a panel
[15:03] <hyperair> for some reason, gdk_window_get_type_hint (win) where win is the panel returns GDK_WINDOW_TYPE_HINT_NORMAL rather than GDK_WINDOW_TYPE_HINT_DOCK. commenting out that line seems to make notify-osd detect my panel correctly again.
[15:03]  * hyperair scratches his head
[15:47] <hyperair> MacSlow: ping
[15:49] <MacSlow> hyperair, sorry not time atm... still busy with release-work
[15:51] <hyperair> MacSlow: okay, i'll ping another time
[19:31] <tedg> I'm really disliking the Liferea notification messages.  They're basically "<title> has <number> new / updated titles".
[19:31] <tedg> I'm thinking something like "<title> has <number> updates" should be enough.
[21:22] <mrooney> tedg: sounds like a paper cut :)
[21:23] <tedg> mrooney: Heh.  Yeah.  I changed the text to be just "updates" not sure if I like it not yet...
[21:24] <tedg> Change is in my PPA (though not built yet) for those that want to try it: https://launchpad.net/~ted/+archive/ppa
[22:23] <djsiegel> bratsche you there?
[22:24] <bratsche> djsiegel, I am.
[22:24] <djsiegel> bratsche can a gtk slider (what is the widget name) start at 1, then go to 5, 10, 15, etc?
[22:24] <bratsche> Yeah.
[22:24] <djsiegel> ok, cool
[22:24] <djsiegel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/59589
[22:24] <bratsche> GtkAdjustment's step_increment I think.
[22:25] <djsiegel> but you can have [1, 5, 10...]
[22:25] <djsiegel> I know you can change the increment
[22:25] <djsiegel> but I wasn't sure if you could slip an increment of 4 in there...
[22:25] <bratsche> Oh wait, I missed the "start at 1" part and then go 5,10,15..
[22:25] <djsiegel> yes
[22:25] <djsiegel> that's the question
[22:26] <bratsche> I'm not sure about that.
[22:26] <djsiegel> I bet you could special case the 0 case
[22:26] <bratsche> Yeah.
[22:26] <djsiegel> (value == 0 ? 1 : value)
[22:26] <djsiegel> or (value ? value : 1) in C I guess
[22:27] <djsiegel> hehe
[22:27] <bratsche> But don't actually set the adjustment's value to 1, or then when you increment it'll go to 6.  Just watch its value_changed event or whatever and do the correct thing on 0.
[22:31] <bratsche> djsiegel, The <alt> thing would still display underlines for menuitems once a menu is already popped up right?  You shouldn't need to hold alt for that should you?
[22:33] <djsiegel> bratsche: I think it's more reasonable to keep _ in menus
[22:34] <djsiegel> but I think we could make the case for getting rid of those, too
[22:34] <djsiegel> I am not sure how they are used, 1 sec
[22:34] <djsiegel> yes, I see
[22:34] <bratsche> djsiegel, Well, once a menu is popped up you don't need to hit <alt> for those accelerators to work.
[22:34] <djsiegel> bratsche, yes, it makes sense to leave them if they don't require alt
[22:34] <djsiegel> but they are such a blemish on buttons, less so in menus
[22:35] <bratsche> Oh I see.
[22:35] <bratsche> Yeah.
[22:36] <ryanprior> I'm not sure what you're talking about precisely, but I've got a menu suggestion
[22:36] <djsiegel> ryanprior: let's hear it
[22:37] <ryanprior> right now we see lots of menu items like "Open <Ctrl+O>"
[22:37] <ryanprior> I think it would be neat it if said Open, then had a right-justified lozenge showing "ctrl" and an O key
[22:37] <ryanprior> readably, but graphically
[22:38] <ryanprior> I don't know whether that's easy to do with GTK
[22:38] <ryanprior> but if it's not too hard to put icons inside a menu item, it would be a neat touch
[22:38] <bratsche> It sounds like it would require more space allocated to the menuitems.
[22:39] <bratsche> But maybe not.
[22:39] <ryanprior> The little icons wouldn't have to be any bigger than an X-height
[22:39] <bratsche> They have to be two pixels higher than 'C'
[22:39] <bratsche> Or 'l'
[22:39] <bratsche> Not sure which is taller.
[22:40] <ryanprior> I always thought X was tallest
[22:40] <bratsche> But is the lozenge going around the full text or just "Ctrl"?
[22:40] <ryanprior> I'll whip up a mock-up
[22:40] <bratsche> Cool, thanks.
[22:52] <ryanprior> http://ryanprior.com/menu-mockup.png
[22:54] <bratsche> Hmm, nice.
[22:54]  * bratsche takes a peek at some code
[22:55] <bratsche> ryanprior, we could maybe style that up in the theme engine without modifying any code.
[22:55] <bratsche> Or at least, without modifying any code in gtk+ itself.
[22:56] <ryanprior> I like non-intrusive edits ;-)
[22:57]  * SiDi doesnt think it's so hard to do in gtk itself, so maybe some changes in libgtk could do it :/
[22:57] <SiDi> like, i think at the moment it builds a hbox with your content, extended, on the left, and a label, the Ctrl+Foo, on the right
[22:58] <SiDi> we could change the label to some gtk-accel-Foo stock image (of course it requires to add those images to the stock gtk ones :p)
[22:58] <SiDi> or auto-generate them (but thats slower :/)
[22:58] <bratsche> No need to change libgtk itself probably, just style the GtkLabel.
[22:59] <bratsche> SiDi, probably just render with Cairo.
[22:59] <ryanprior> Yeah, it would be coolest if you could do it with styles and not generate an image at all
[22:59] <SiDi> ah, yeh.. :P
[22:59] <bratsche> Because you want the colors to be stylable too, and if you ship images then you're stuck.
[22:59] <SiDi> yeh thats true
[22:59]  * SiDi goes back to bed xD
[23:00] <bratsche> And images increase the size of the installer ISO, and it doesn't have much space to devote to this sort of thing.
[23:01] <bratsche> kwwii, around still?
[23:02] <bratsche> Probably not.. pretty late there.
[23:03] <SiDi> midnight, bratsche :)
[23:21] <kwwii> bratsche: yepp
[23:21] <bratsche> Oh hey dude
[23:21] <kwwii> hey man
[23:22] <bratsche> kwwii: Check out ryanprior's mockup.. http://ryanprior.com/menu-mockup.png
[23:22] <kwwii> with a bit of visual magic that could be cool
[23:22] <kwwii> pretty simple now
[23:22] <bratsche> kwwii: What theme engine are we using right now?  If I have time I wouldn't mind trying to hack this up sometime.
[23:22] <kwwii> but better than a lot of other stuff I have recently seen
[23:23] <kwwii> murrine
[23:23] <kwwii> but I get the feeling that the new theme will be something completely different
[23:23] <bratsche> kwwii: Do we have a standard place we can start collecting different theming ideas?
[23:23] <kwwii> it has taken to long to get this far, we will probably change quite a bit, which will mean writing our own theme enginge
[23:24] <kwwii> engine
[23:24] <kwwii> if you ask me, that is
[23:24] <bratsche> Yeah, I think writing our own engine would make a lot of sense once we know exactly what we want to do.
[23:24] <kwwii> the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming is the place for collecting that kind of stuff
[23:25] <kwwii> but if we want to push for it, we could expand that
[23:25] <kwwii> I am trying to think of a way to invite all of the wallpaper submitters on the flickr page to other projects
[23:25] <kwwii> I have now publicly admitted that I know nothing of flickr yet I pay them money :p
[23:26] <kwwii> bratsche: doing this unr work has been interesting
[23:26] <kwwii> there is a need for a theme which is really flexible and themeable to the nth degree
[23:27] <kwwii> ie presenting a buttload of drawing options
[23:27] <bratsche> kwwii: Have you played around with the css theme engine for gtk much?  Do you think it's pretty flexible?  I'm interested in trying to integrate it directly into gtk3.0 (and totally replace gtkrc stuff with it) if there is time.
[23:28] <bratsche> But that's going to be a lot of work, and it's beginning to seem like there is not a lot of time for this kind of work.
[23:29] <ryanprior> I really like the idea of the CSS theme engine.
[23:29] <ryanprior> I'm working on one for Ecere.
[23:30] <bratsche> It's not very useful in its current form, because it blows away gtkrc settings and it prevents us from doing another theme engine on top of it (which might do animation stuff possibly)
[23:30] <bratsche> So for CSS to be useful we really need to replace gtkrc with it.
[23:30] <kwwii> bratsche: well, I know it needs a lot of work ;) It really is the best idea out there but you would have to decide for yourself how much work it would be to get it to do what it is supposed to do. I know they would love the help, but including it would be much less work than getting it to do what it should
[23:31] <kwwii> well, the current stuff imports the CSS and makes gtkrc out of it, afaik
[23:32] <bratsche> Well, internally yeah..
[23:32] <kwwii> I know that intel would love it if you helped :p
[23:32] <bratsche> But your gtkrc is what tells gtk to load that engine.  And basically whatever else is in your gtkrc might get blown away by stuff in the CSS files.
[23:33] <bratsche> kwwii, need to convince David and Mark that it's worth investing time in.
[23:33] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt
[23:33] <SiDi> bratsche: that'd be a CSS3 engine, then ? :)
[23:33] <bratsche> Uh, hell if I know.
[23:34] <bratsche> I don't know the difference between different versions of css.
[23:34] <kwwii> I wonder what upper management will say about working on a project which Intel has essentially paid for until now and still keeps behind closed hands
[23:34] <bratsche> kwwii, do they?
[23:34] <bratsche> Rob wrote the gtk css engine before he went to work for Intel.
[23:35] <bratsche> I'm not really sure what the relationship is between the gtk css engine and the css fu that he's done for nbtk or whatever it's called.
[23:35] <kwwii> dude, I could explain the situation but then I would lose my job
[23:35] <bratsche> eek
[23:35] <kwwii> this is an open irc channel, my friend
[23:37] <bratsche> I have to finish morphing window stuff soon anyway, and I'm just beginning it.  Maybe once that's done I can think about this kind of stuff more.


[11:35] <enyc> I'm trying to ask kep question, not sure where best to ask
[11:36] <enyc> I'd like to add uefi boot capability to a system upgraded from  20.04 to 22.04 ...  now have a /boot/efi partition of type 0xEF (EFI system partition).
[11:36] <enyc>  installed grub-efi-amd64-bin and grub-efi-amd64-signed ... grub-install /dev/sda  doesn't help, presumably legacy installer ...
[11:37] <enyc> I thought, new 22.04 installs now always support both legacy and uefi booting ,and use GPT regardless on new disk partitioning but for-certain the GPT isn't actually required. MBR will work fine too, this is how classic multi-bootable-disks hava always worked, etc.
[11:38] <enyc> I'd like to know how the ubiquity actually does set up this legacy and uefi combo in a way that works with the packafing sysem, which wasn't traditionally set-up to have grub-pcand grub-efi-amd64 at same time.
[11:41] <enyc> p.s. the /boot/efi fat is correctly in /etc/fstab
[14:10] <enyc> aha
[14:10] <enyc> 11:57 < gjolly> enyc: have you tried something like grub-install --boot-directory=/boot --efi-directory=/boot/efi --target=x86_64-efi (assuming you are on x86_64)?


[10:33] <Kilos> afternoon everyone
[10:34] <Kilos> for those that are health conscious please read carefully http://www.radianthealthstrategies.com/healing_power_of_salt.php
[10:38] <Kilos-> some not so good news about refined salt
[11:01] <gremble> :/ That article is a sham Kilos. :<
[11:03] <gremble> "Himalayan crystal salt" is just normal halite (rock salt or Sodium Chloride (NaCl just like table salt)) that has trace amounts of iron oxide in
[11:04] <gremble> There is nothing organic about salt
[11:05] <gremble> It is an ionisation bond between a metal and non-metal, so it is always strongly bonded as a crystal "chemical bonds are so strong that it cannot be easily broken down or metabolized by our bodies" We cannot metabolise salt regardless of what kind of salt it is, it is broken down by water into it's two constituents, Soduim and Chloride, fairly easily
[11:06] <gremble> Sodium does not occur naturally, we need to take it in. Just like we need to take in magnesium and iron etc
[11:07] <gremble> I cannot attest to the health benefits or problems that salt causes, but I can say that this article is being deceitful in its attempt to promote conscientious use of salt :<
[11:16] <Kilos-> so the refining process doesnt do it any harm?
[11:16] <Kilos-> im not worried about the crystal stuff from himalaya
[11:16] <Kilos-> i use course salt
[11:17] <Kilos-> were have a course salt grinder
[11:17] <Kilos-> other wise its like eating stones
[11:19] <gremble> refined salt is coarse salt that has been grinded down in industrial grinders
[11:23] <Kilos-> not heated?
[11:24] <gremble> Yup, to remove the water. Doesn't change the chemical composition of the salt, only the mixture. As soon as you reintroduce water it is the same again
[11:26] <Kilos-> ah so saying the heating process does harm is wrong
[11:27] <Kilos-> the salt i know comes from salt pand where they sun dry the salty water then bag the crystals
[11:27] <gremble> Yup
[11:28] <gremble> But you also get salt mines that mine ancient saltpans that are underground now
[11:28] <gremble> Just like iron can form underground deposits, so does salt. In that form it is called Halite
[11:28] <gremble> They mine it by pumping hotwater into the mine to dissolve the salt, and then pump the saline water out to dry on a salt pan
[11:29] <gremble> So it is pretty much exactly the same
[12:00] <Kilos-> ah
[12:00] <Kilos-> ty for that info
[14:15] <superfly> gremble: while you are probably right about the salt, most of the stuff we get in the shops is processed, and that means they've likely added stuff to it.
[14:17] <superfly> Also, there is no legal obligation for companies to reveal exactly what they do to food.
[14:20] <superfly> For instance, the honey you generally buy in shops is largely the same as syrup, because the radurisation kills all the enzymes.
[14:31] <gremble> superfly: which is a shame.  There's that great story about how De Beers engineered the diamond market
[14:38] <gremble> Oh yes
[14:38] <gremble> All in all, the consumer society is sort of set against us :P
[14:38] <gremble> (as consumers)
[14:38] <superfly> gremble: have you had unhomogenised milk?
[14:39] <gremble> I've had milk from cows directly from the cow
[14:39] <gremble> Was pretty good
[14:39] <gremble> Much richer than what I am used to
[14:39] <superfly> Indeed. Generally better than what's in the shops.
[14:40] <superfly> I actually dislike consumerism, and generally try not to take part.
[14:42] <gremble> I put my foot down when it comes to clothes. I hate buy clothes, shoes etc, because everything has a label or a brand or some shit on it that turns me into a walking ad, using adspace that I had to pay for
[14:56] <Kilos-> hahahaha
[14:56] <Kilos-> hi superfly
[14:58] <Kilos-> sorry i was missing for 2 days i think. hit  a bp low
[14:58] <Kilos-> then started investigating salt
[14:59] <Kilos-> forgot to have extra salt for 3 days. wont do that again. 73/60 bp not healthy
[15:00] <Kilos->  back to 95/76 so far
[15:05] <Langjan> hi Kilos-  are you ok?
[15:06] <Langjan> Steamy 37 at Warmbaths, Hotbaths
[15:16] <Kilos-> yes ty Langjan
[15:16] <Kilos-> we had 34 on a verandah in the shade today
[15:16] <Kilos-> wind didnt even help
[15:17] <Langjan> Pretty steamy all over, praying for some rain. Good to see you're fine, have you booked your flight yet?
[15:17] <Kilos-> not yet
[15:17] <Langjan> dates?
[15:21] <Langjan> do you have departure dates in mind yet?
[15:23] <Langjan> I'm looking forward to pick Juanita up at the airport Wednesday, been a long 3 weeks
[15:23] <superfly> http://openlp.org/blog/2015/11/01/first-22-series-bugfix-release-openlp-221
[15:24] <superfly> ag
[15:24] <superfly> http://ewn.co.za/2015/11/01/Warning-of-heavy-rainfall-possible-flooding-issued-in-the-Cape
[15:24] <superfly> paste buffer not working properly
[15:24] <superfly> and lag times > 10 seconds
[15:25] <Langjan> hi superfly  tell them to send some rain to Limpopo
[15:26] <superfly> hi Langjan, I would if I could!
[15:26] <Langjan> thks!
[15:46] <nlsthzn> hi all... long time etc... hope all is well
[15:46] <Kilos-> hi nlsthzn
[15:47] <Kilos-> Langjan we hoping to apply for online visa this week
[15:48] <Kilos-> i need to get some photo copeis made and notarised by cops
[15:48] <Kilos-> might still need to go the paper route though but we hoping
[15:51] <nlsthzn> so you both going somewhere?
[15:51] <Kilos-> hahaha ya nlsthzn im hoping to get to debs by Christmas
[15:52] <Kilos-> and jans wife coming back from india
[15:52] <nlsthzn> awesome :) hope it all works out (for everyone)
[15:52] <Kilos-> ty
[16:02] <nlsthzn> well that looks like dinner time for me :) - hope all of a quiet Sunday (I will lurk here in the shadows)
[16:02] <Kilos-> cool enjot
[16:02] <Kilos-> y
[16:16] <Langjan> Strongs Kilos-  hope all goes well for you.
[16:45] <magespawn> good evening
[16:45] <magespawn> i am having a bit of a problem installing certain programs on debian that i have running on my ubuntu machine
[16:46] <magespawn> specifically byobu
[16:47] <gremble> According to the byobu page, it seems to have been made especially for ubuntu
[16:47] <gremble> What are the problems that you seem to have?
[16:48] <magespawn> i was trying to apt-get install it, i can build it from source i suppose
[16:48] <gremble> It seems to be in the debian repos
[16:49] <gremble> What was the issue?
[16:49] <magespawn> my apt-get does not find it
[16:49] <magespawn> so i need to add the repo just not sure which one
[16:49] <magespawn> i thought i had all the standard ones going already
[16:50] <gremble> According to https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/byobu.html, it's there
[16:50] <magespawn> let me see
[16:50] <Kilos-> oh my magespawn
[16:50] <Kilos-> you forgot to update
[16:50] <Kilos-> hehe
[16:50] <Kilos-> hope all well there
[16:51] <gremble> magespawn: https://packages.debian.org/stable/byobu
[16:51] <gremble> It's definitely there
[16:53] <magespawn> no Kilos, always up to date, at least once a week
[16:53] <magespawn> thanks gremble
[16:53] <magespawn> cool will see what else could have gone wrong
[16:53] <gremble> Haha it's a pleasure, but I didn't help you solve your problem :P
[16:55] <magespawn> i have to add this deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie main to my sources file
[16:56] <gremble> That is the name of new stable if I recall correctly
[16:56] <gremble> You should have one named stable that points to the same thing
[16:59] <magespawn> gremble i installed from a dvd and left that listed as the main source for my  computer
[17:03] <magespawn> running update again now, lets see what happens
[17:05] <gremble> magespawn: stable is a reference to whichever repository currently has stable status. So these days it points to Jessie. Unstable points to sid at the moment. When sid goes to stable, jessie will be old-stable, sid will be stable and then something else that hasn't been named yet will become unstable
[17:06] <magespawn> thanks gremble, working as it should now
[17:06] <gremble> Oh.
[17:06] <gremble> See, that's weird
[17:06] <gremble> haha
[17:06] <magespawn> i did a lot of the install manually with this one
[17:08] <gremble> I haven't touched debian in ages :<
[17:08] <gremble> Luckily it is antique so you never really forget how it works
[17:10] <magespawn> i was convinced by a friend to try it
[17:10] <gremble> You should try arch linux
[17:11]  * gremble winks and nudges
[17:14] <magespawn> would it run on an antique laptop?
[17:15] <gremble> It should
[17:16] <gremble> Nothing ever really gets taken out of the kernel so the drivers and stuff should be there
[17:29] <magespawn> i just thought that it might be too much for it though
[17:29] <gremble> Why so?
[17:29] <magespawn> 512kb ram
[17:30] <gremble> Haha that is quite a tiny computer that you have there
[17:31] <Kilos-> sjoe
[17:31] <Kilos-> tha is min ram
[17:31] <Kilos-> t
[17:31] <magespawn> yes i have had it for four years, and it was second hand then
[17:39] <magespawn> 1.7Ghz processor
[17:41] <magespawn> sorry looks like i actually have 1 gig
[17:41] <Kilos-> ram?
[17:42] <Kilos-> thats better
[17:42] <gremble> I currently have 2 :D
[17:43] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight
[17:43] <gremble> nn Kilos-
[17:51] <magespawn> he goes really quickly
[18:08] <magespawn> right back
[18:16] <gremble> Welcome back
[18:22] <gremble> HDD's are ridiculously expensive
[18:22] <gremble> >.<
[18:37] <gremble> Dammit, superfly left
[18:38] <gremble> Look at this: https://benkurtovic.com/2014/06/01/obfuscating-hello-world.html
[18:38] <gremble> Haha
[19:20] <Cryterion> Looks interesting gremble!
[19:20] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[19:23] <magespawn> hi Cryterion
[19:24] <Cryterion> heya magespawn
[19:25] <gremble> Hey Cryterion
[20:36] <Cryterion> grrr, bif difference between a char and unsigned char with if statements, but no problem passing between the two among functions....
[20:36] <Cryterion> night all
[20:38] <gremble> what language Cryterion
[20:39] <Cryterion> gnu c
[20:39] <gremble> Ah yes. It likes to implicitly cast
[20:39] <Cryterion> was checking a char if was 0xFF, which it cannot be
[20:40] <Cryterion> cast to unsigned then it can be
[20:41] <Cryterion> That does explain why the ASCII table can only go to 0x7F
[20:41] <gremble> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14713102/what-does-and-0xff-do
[20:43] <Cryterion> I know the And/Or procedure, just not used the using 'char' as all my embedded stuff is based around 'unsigned char' unless it's a 'char*'
[20:44] <gremble> It seems that they recommend using unsigned types.
[20:44] <gremble> I've never done embedded work, so I cannot comment :P
[20:44] <gremble> My interest is type systems XD
[20:45] <Cryterion> From what I know most people do prefer
[20:46] <Cryterion> Mainly data reading reading, process and then action IO, automation control
[20:47] <Cryterion> But has to have recipe type options in it
[20:47] <gremble> Is C the only language that you can do embedded work in?
[20:48] <Cryterion> Atm yes
[20:48] <Cryterion> Assembly ages ago


[01:10] <Delvien> When I click "sound settings" via xfce4-panel notification tray's speaker icon I get the following window. http://i.imgur.com/U5gEFca.png I have to 'run' pavucontrol to get to the actual settings, anyone know how to fix that?
[05:43] <rud0lf> it was a shorten for entire regex string
[05:43] <rud0lf> sorry wrong channel
[07:09] <Xubuntu-Alex> good morning room
[07:09] <Xubuntu-Alex> may I ask some support here?
[07:13] <flocculant> !ask
[07:21] <Xubuntu-Alex> oppss ok flocculant
[07:22] <Xubuntu-Alex> I am running Xubuntu on macbook ALUminium and I am experiencing something strange with bluetooth:
[07:23] <Xubuntu-Alex> It looks like working out of the box..  but.. when I start the laptop  the bluetooth sometimes is loaded, sometimes is not loaded...
[07:24] <Xubuntu-Alex> to make it work I simply restart (one or more times till is loaded again)
[07:26] <Xubuntu-Alex> I was wondering if there is a way to make it work every time or at least a commandline to load it without rebooting..
[07:33] <flocculant> Xubuntu-Alex: never touched any sort of mac ... but a quick look on the web found this which might help (though old) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook%20Aluminum
[07:34] <flocculant> you might want to wait for others, also you could try #ubuntu, at bluetooth level shouldn't be any difference
[07:36] <Xubuntu-Alex> flocculant: do you know how to find the name of the device? I'd like to apply the line sugested in your link (sudo hciconfig hci0 reset)  but it looks like hci0  is not my device...
[07:39] <flocculant> try hciconfig
[07:41] <flocculant> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/hciconfig.8.html
[07:45] <Xubuntu-Alex> flocculant: thanks a lot... getting into that...
[07:45] <flocculant> Xubuntu-Alex: if it doesn't help - I'm not the person to ask about it - got no bluetooth here ;)
[07:46] <Xubuntu-Alex> flocculant: lucky man...  ;)
[07:47] <Xubuntu-Alex> blody bt  :s
[08:21] <xubuntu24i> how to install
[08:21] <xubuntu24i> steam
[10:27] <bonsaitree> Lol what a bug. I booted and there were 2 network-manager icons on the taskbar, and after 4-5 seconds one of them disappeared. Does this mean that there were 2 instances of the network-manager running at startup and the OS is clever enough to kill one of them (if it notice a duplicate process)?
[10:30] <Spass> bonsaitree: one of them was probably an indicator and the other was in the notification area
[10:31] <Spass> unfortunately, this issue occurs pretty often and not only network manager is affected
[10:32] <bonsaitree> Spass:I have seen this, but that was a while ago, maybe 2-3 years ago. Maybe it's a 17.04 issue?
[10:33] <Spass> I have this pretty often on my 17.04 and before on 16.10
[10:33] <bonsaitree> Also the application menu button is sometimes misbehaving, not recognizing a 'click'
[10:33] <bonsaitree> It will label itself as it should for the action 'click', but not do what the 'click' is supposed to do
[10:34] <Spass> bonsaitree: you mean top-left Whisker Menu?
[10:34] <bonsaitree> Spass:Indeed
[10:35] <Spass> is it related to this bug maybe? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13509
[10:38] <bonsaitree> Spass:Nope, a little bit different. In my case, when i click the WM button, the WM button will highlight itself, but not show the actual applications.
[10:39] <bonsaitree> Spass:And if i click again, once or twice, it will then show the applications
[10:41] <Spass> bonsaitree: it's probably related to that bug, unless your issue occurs even when your cursor isn't on the screen edge
[10:43] <Spass> I have the same issue with button highlighting instead of showing menu, but only on specific "pixels" near the screen edge
[10:43] <bonsaitree> Spass:I think that's the case here, too. I think this only happens in the upper left quadrant of the WM circle icon
[10:46] <bonsaitree> Spass:Like it's a border-deciding error or something (loosely speaking, i don't have a clue about graphics programming)
[10:47] <Spass> well, in that case you've just described two of a few little annoyances that I have on my Xubuntu 17.04 now :) unfortunately there's no solution yet, so we have to report bugs and wait
[10:50] <Spass> 1) duplicate icons in the 'tray' 2) Whisker Menu loosing focus on hover
[10:53] <bonsaitree> Spass:Also the graphics glitch is annoying. When i scroll through a website, alt+tab, watch a video (doing anything dynamic), there is a trapezoid-alike shape which appears on the screen. Sometimes it's in the middle, sometimes lower, sometimes higher.
[10:55] <bonsaitree> Spass: http://cosketch.com/Saved/pi1fWNME
[10:56] <Spass> bonsaitree: screen tearing? I think it's a known issue (and maybe there's a solution) but I can't help here, I don't have that problem on my hardware (nvidia gpu)
[10:57] <Spass> but stay here for a while, maybe somebody will help you with that
[10:59] <bonsaitree> Spass:Nope, it's not like screen tearing, the shape of whatever is shown is not shifted. It's only "representing" the image with the trapezoid-alike shape
[18:20] <Kedalu> how to monitor CPU usage on terminal?
[18:21] <encomjones> top or htop
[18:23] <Kedalu> then in "top" is there a way to get pretty output? The top portion looks quirky
[20:26] <Handreza> hi everyone
[20:26] <knome> hello
[20:26] <diogenes_> hi
[20:27] <Handreza> im having trouble trying to install software in to my xubuntu
[20:27] <Handreza> my gnome software is not working
[20:27] <diogenes_> Handreza, you mean software center?
[20:28] <Handreza> yes
[20:28] <bekks> Handreza: which Xubuntu version do you have, which software are you trying to install, how are you trying exactly?
[20:28] <diogenes_> try with synaptic package manager
[20:28] <Handreza> hold on please
[20:28] <Handreza> i think is 16.04.32
[20:28] <bekks> I'd just go with "sudo apt install" :)
[20:29] <bekks> Handreza: what does "lsb_release -a" say?
[20:29] <Handreza> "sudo apt install" + softwarename ?
[20:30] <Spass> Handreza: if you like GUI use Synaptic to install and search packages
[20:30] <bekks> Handreza: which software are you trying to install?
[20:30] <Handreza> I need just to install the presentation software wich comes with libreoffice
[20:31] <bekks> Handreza: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice
[20:31] <Handreza> i dont think its gonna work, since i dont know how to deal with terminal
[20:32] <bekks> Handreza: all yu need to do is typing "sudo apt install " and the name of the package, after reading the link given.
[20:32] <diogenes_> Handreza, run in termina: sudo apt install synaptic
[20:32] <Handreza> also, i do prefer not to install these complete pack
[20:33] <Spass> Handreza: it's called Impress, package name is "libreoffice-impress"
[20:33] <Handreza> ok, i will try to do this now
[20:33] <Spass> sudo apt install libreoffice-impress
[20:35] <Spass> but I recommend you to install Synaptic too, it's very simple graphical package manager
[20:35] <Handreza> it looks like working.. -)
[20:35] <Handreza> 84%
[20:36] <Handreza> let me see the result
[20:36] <Handreza> Perfect..
[20:37] <Handreza> I really, really apreciat your helping hand my friends
[20:38] <Handreza> just one more thing... How can I fix my software center, as it does keeping looping without load anything
[20:39] <bekks> Handreza: I'd try: sudo apt update
[20:39] <Spass> I always help myself by removing this thing from my Xubuntu as fast as possible :)
[20:40] <Spass> that's my fix for gnome software center
[20:40] <Handreza> let me see the result after promped
[20:41] <Handreza> still looping
[20:41] <diogenes_> is it ubuntu software center?
[20:41] <Handreza> Im trying to install TUX Paint
[20:42] <Handreza> xubuntu GNOME SOFTWARE APLICATION
[20:43] <Handreza> Its in Brazilian portuguese
[20:43] <diogenes_> I've heard they're making anew software center something related to gnome fork and the old software center is deprecated
[20:43] <Handreza> do know the command line to install TUX Paint?
[20:44] <Handreza> Do u know?
[20:45] <diogenes_> Handreza, I've adviced you more than once and Spass did advice you too, install synaptic and there you can search for software
[20:46] <Handreza> how i do procedure after:  sudo apt update
[20:46] <Handreza> ?
[20:47] <diogenes_> sudo apt upgrade
[20:48] <Handreza> I saw -> 245 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them
[20:49] <diogenes_> just type in your password
[20:49] <diogenes_> and let it upgrade
[20:54] <Handreza> it was not my password what it did ask me for
[20:55] <diogenes_> it should have asked for your password
[20:55] <Handreza> but it did not
[20:55] <diogenes_> ok what it did then?
[20:56] <Handreza> 245 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them
[20:56] <diogenes_> then run what it says
[20:58] <Handreza> im afraid to say, i got to leave
[20:58] <Handreza> but i really thank so much
[20:58] <Handreza> 4 your help, so far
[20:59] <diogenes_> ok take care
[20:59] <Handreza> i will be in touch, in order to try to solve the rest of my issues
[20:59] <diogenes_> ok
[20:59] <Handreza> Have u a great day Diogenes
[21:00] <diogenes_> thank you the same to you


[18:37] <Jonii_> Anyone know any reaon why ubuntu 12.4 messes up multitouch on my zenbook clickpad, so that for 4 fnger touch I need 5 fingers, for 3 finger touch 4 fingers, but 2 finger scroll works just fine?
[18:41] <dandrader> Jonii_, well, 2 finger scroll is done on the xserver, whereas 3 and 4 finger gestures in unity are done in the unity compiz plugin
[18:41] <dandrader> but why 3 and 4 touch gestures require one more finger on you hardware I don't know
[18:42] <Jonii_> It's not persistent
[18:42] <Jonii_> login/logout usually helps
[18:42] <Jonii_> This time it didn't though
[18:45] <Jonii_> Also, click+drag doesn't work occasionally, that problem seems to be  a more severe version of this "need an additional finger" syndrome
[18:46] <Jonii_> first you can't just click and drag, you need an additional finger, and the worst case, you can't drag at all
[18:47] <Jonii_> so first you need one finger to click, second to drag, then you just can't click and drag. The normal way is just clicking with one finger and dragging it along clickpad


[02:15] <RemonShai> AudaciousTUX, hi...
[02:25] <Rezwan> AudaciousTUX, কী অবস্থা?
[02:26] <RemonShai> AudaciousTUX, আলহামদুলিল্লাহ্.... ভাল। আপনার কি খবর?
[02:26] <Rezwan> AudaciousTUX, IRC for Android v2.1.32 on OKAPIA LIFE ?!
[08:44] <Kilos> greetings pavlushka rhct
[08:44] <Kilos> less peeps here today
[08:45] <pavlushka> Kilos: yep, looks like so, lets see
[09:13] <pavlushka> Kilos: what was the problem? all bots were missing including JediKnight ?
[09:40] <pavlushka> Welcome AudaciousTUX
[09:40] <pavlushka> and AudaciousTUX_
[09:40] <AudaciousTUX_> :p
[09:43] <Kilos> hi AudaciousTUX_
[09:43] <Kilos> netsplit pavlushka
[09:43] <AudaciousTUX_> hi kilos
[09:44] <pavlushka> Kilos: hmm
[10:23] <pavlushka> Welcome Tuhin !
[10:23] <Tuhin> Eid Mubarak
[10:24] <pavlushka> Eid Mubarak!
[10:25] <pavlushka> Tuhin: I am curious about your LP page, :), mine is here https://launchpad.net/~pavelsayekat
[10:26] <Tuhin> hmm
[10:26] <Tuhin> i dont have any, but i have Linux Mint comunity member profile
[10:26] <Tuhin> didnt login for long time
[10:28] <Tuhin> u live in rangpur?
[10:29] <pavlushka> Tuhin: and you run mint and some other linux (?)
[10:29] <Tuhin> my mother used to study there
[10:29] <pavlushka> Tuhin: close, I live in Panchagarh
[10:29] <Tuhin> Linux Mint started as a variant of ubuntu
[10:30] <pavlushka> Tuhin: I know and?
[10:30] <Tuhin> Mint comes with all that is "missing" in ubuntu
[10:30] <pavlushka> like?
[10:30] <Tuhin> then some people wanted to go to the root of ubuntu
[10:30] <Tuhin> which is debian
[10:31] <Tuhin> missing= multimedia codecs, flash etc
[10:31] <Tuhin> so they made LMDE = Linux Mint Debian Edition
[10:31] <pavlushka> Tuhin: mint was already a debian variant.
[10:31] <Tuhin> Debian also releases without any extra codes, apps etc
[10:32] <Tuhin> no, Mint was at first only Ubuntu based
[10:32] <Tuhin> then they started another variant based on Debian
[10:32] <pavlushka> Tuhin: the codecs are proprietary, has some legal bindings
[10:32] <pavlushka> Tuhin: Ubuntu is debian based
[10:33] <Tuhin> normal users dont like to read long Laws EULA etc
[10:33] <Tuhin> users just want to use computer after using the OS
[10:33] <pavlushka> Tuhin: got your point.
[10:34] <Tuhin> so Mint based are OS which r useable by new and experienced users alike "out of the box"
[10:34] <Tuhin> u install it and u get all kind of common needed apps
[10:34] <pavlushka> Tuhin: but mint is completely community developed, that's were they cut loose the legal bindings to supply the codecs pre-installed.
[10:34] <Tuhin> it comes with GIMP 9photoshop alternative) etc
[10:34] <pavlushka> *where
[10:35] <Tuhin> users want to use pc, not find out how to install apps in linux
[10:35] <Kilos> hehe
[10:35] <Tuhin> so Mint made it all easier
[10:35] <Tuhin> time saving and convenient
[10:35] <Tuhin> i also tried Vanila Debian and also Kubuntu
[10:36] <Tuhin> but they lacked the touch and finish of Mint....
[10:36] <pavlushka> Tuhin: if you are a company, and you like to supply the third party codec pre-installed like mp3 codec, for that you have to pay to SONY, but not applied for a community developed distro like mint
[10:36] <Tuhin> so i went back to mint
[10:36] <Tuhin> i m not running company :D
[10:36] <Tuhin> i want to enjoy linux
[10:37] <pavlushka> Tuhin: you are not looking at the point I guess, I am giving instance, not referring you directly
[10:37] <Tuhin> Ubuntu, Debian, Arch all have their own kind of users
[10:37] <pavlushka> Tuhin: yes, that's true
[10:37] <Tuhin> also there is Puppy linux which i use to troubleshoot windows
[10:38] <pavlushka> wow
[10:38] <Tuhin> Puppy Linux have many variants
[10:38] <Tuhin> even Mac and Windows like variants....
[10:40] <Tuhin> i forgot my linux mint community account password
[10:40] <pavlushka> Tuhin: the point is Ubuntu is backed by a company named Canonical, so they cant supply pre-installed third party codec like mp3 or other proprietary codecs. but mint is completely community developed and has no legal binding to supply the codecs pre-installed
[10:40] <Tuhin> yes i know that
[10:41] <Tuhin> but a newbie @ BD asks me what linux to use, i will suggest him such a linux which will be "easy" for him
[10:41] <Tuhin> Linux Mint is both Ubuntu and also Debian based
[10:41] <Tuhin> btw the debian based one is better
[10:42] <Tuhin> coz it have NO End of Life/End of Updates/Support
[10:42] <pavlushka> Tuhin: me too, but if you ask me for yourself when you know the fact?
[10:42] <pavlushka> Tuhin: mint uses the Ubuntu core and both are debian based
[10:43] <Tuhin> ubuntu have End of Life/support
[10:43] <Tuhin> Debian is rolling= always updating to latest version= no end of life or support
[10:44] <Tuhin> i just explained why i use the linux variant that i choose to use
[10:45] <pavlushka> Tuhin: End of life does not end every thing, Ubuntu is free, you are free to upgrade
[10:45] <Tuhin> i dont like to delete and install anew all the apps
[10:46] <Tuhin> they says its better to delete and install fresh....
[10:46] <pavlushka> Tuhin: who?
[10:46] <Tuhin> ordinary users
[10:46] <Tuhin> at chat rooms
[10:46] <Kilos> pavlushka many guys use mint
[10:46] <pavlushka> Kilos: :)
[10:47] <Tuhin> hi kilos
[10:47] <Kilos> hi Tuhin
[10:47] <Tuhin> Ubuntu did a lot for making linux mainstream
[10:47] <Tuhin> Mint doing things that ubuntu can't
[10:47] <Kilos> one must use what  suits his circumstances the best
[10:47] <pavlushka> Tuhin: you can always back up your settings and after new install, just restore them, I upgraded two ubuntu distros, they works fine.
[10:48] <pavlushka> *work
[10:48] <Tuhin> when i started using Linux, i had dial up internet
[10:48] <Kilos> oh pavlushka
[10:48] <pavlushka> me too
[10:48] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/206454/how-to-backup-and-restore-your-apps-and-ppas-in-ubuntu-using-aptik/
[10:49] <Kilos> wbb
[10:49] <Tuhin> so it wasn't easy to update evday, install apps from net and install again after OS upgrade
[10:49] <Tuhin> i used to sit with old version apps without updating :P
[10:50] <Tuhin> https://community.linuxmint.com/user/view/14713
[10:50] <pavlushka> Tuhin: but now-a-days you have to download the distros, they are not shipped as courier CD anymore, there is a little difference between iso download / upgrade with respect to internet-data.
[10:51] <Tuhin> yeah
[10:51] <Tuhin> and i didnt change my habbit
[10:51] <Tuhin> i used to like installing latest apps
[10:51] <Tuhin> MSN Messenger used to be 3.5 MB download....
[10:51] <Tuhin> then suddenly it became 100 MB!!!
[10:52] <pavlushka> lol
[10:52] <Tuhin> and old version works fine
[10:52] <Tuhin> if its not broke why fix / update it?
[10:52] <pavlushka> Tuhin: but now you are not using 2/2.5 g dial-ups I guess, circumstances changed, ;p
[10:53] <Tuhin> yes, but i think newer version adds bloatware
[10:53] <Tuhin> eats too much ram
[10:53] <pavlushka> Tuhin: for better performance and support
[10:53] <Tuhin> old times were better
[10:53] <Tuhin> Win98 -WinXP days were better
[10:53] <pavlushka> Tuhin: give me a sec
[10:56] <pavlushka> Tuhin: talking about performance here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxTAd0zqruA&list=LLKAJl-URXlKyWF4amVV0jZA&index=12
[10:57] <pavlushka> Tuhin: a bit boring I know, :p
[10:58] <Tuhin> i think after all the news of hacking, people should beware of cloud
[10:59] <Tuhin> abatabat2 months ago
[10:59] <Tuhin> ubuntu use the nsa "systemd" now :(?
[11:01] <Tuhin> http://www.cnet.com/news/wait-mark-zuckerberg-tapes-up-his-webcam/
[11:08] <pavlushka> Tuhin: for your information selinux is also developed by them
[11:08] <pavlushka> I hope mint does not use that, :p
[11:10] <Tuhin> well , NSA have hardwarelevel backdoors in most computers
[11:10] <Tuhin> china also mastered it
[11:11] <Tuhin> they supplied chips to USA with this kind of backdoors
[11:11] <Tuhin> which can disable US Army/Navy/AirForce weapons......
[11:11] <Tuhin> all chips r now a days made in china....
[11:13] <Tuhin> http://youtu.be/8PgSX-WD96Q
[12:48] <pavlushka> Tuhin: ping
[12:48] <Tuhin> hi
[12:51] <pavlushka> Tuhin: have you completed the http://paymentbd.com registration?
[12:52] <Tuhin> my friend and me doing this freelancing together
[12:52] <Tuhin> he have dutch bangla bank account
[12:52] <Tuhin> and skirill > DBBL is possible
[12:52] <Tuhin> so paymentbd.com is not needed as he told me
[12:53] <pavlushka> Tuhin: I heard skrill charges are high?
[12:53] <Tuhin> he told me there is some % cut, i didnt ask him how much
[12:53] <pavlushka> I mean higher than the others
[12:54] <Tuhin> but if skiril> DBBL is possible directly, then why use 3rd party?
[12:54] <Tuhin> really
[12:54] <Tuhin> ?
[12:54] <Tuhin> i didnt look into skiril
[12:54] <pavlushka> Tuhin: you are already using a third party i. e. skrill
[12:54] <Tuhin> i have made him some accounts and gave him the logins/passwords and he is continuing from that
[12:55] <Tuhin> skrill charges r more than paymentbd.com?
[12:55] <pavlushka> Tuhin: no problem, keep it up, they will not grab the whole income at least, :)
[12:56] <Tuhin> contacting my friend
[12:56] <Tuhin> do u live in dhaka or rangpur?
[12:56] <pavlushka> a little far from Rangpur, its Panchagarh, :p
[12:57] <pavlushka> Tuhin: the third land port of Bangladesh, :)
[12:58] <Tuhin> ohok
[12:58] <Tuhin> what kind of internet is available in that part of BD?
[14:44] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:45] <zaki> hi Kilos :)
[14:45] <Kilos> hi zaki '
[14:45] <zaki> can you suggest me irc client for my android!
[14:46] <Kilos> androidirc
[14:46] <zaki> you use it?
[14:46] <Kilos> i dont have a smart phone at all
[14:46] <zaki> :|
[14:46] <Kilos> they are for smart people
[14:47] <zaki> i have one, but that one is so old and low configuration. :D
[14:47] <Tuhin> hi zaki
[14:47] <zaki> hi Tuhin :)
[14:47] <Tuhin> what model is ur phone?
[14:47] <Kilos> the young people know about these modern things
[14:48] <zaki> ha ha.. :D
[14:48] <Kilos> nokia that can sms and call
[14:48] <zaki> galaxy pocket. Tuhin
[14:48] <Tuhin> for some reason i m not fascinated with smartphones, but i m not that old
[14:48] <Tuhin> sounds like newer model
[14:48] <Tuhin> never heard of pocket
[14:48] <zaki> nope.
[14:48] <Kilos> no old
[14:49] <Kilos> wait ill get model
[14:49] <Kilos> 2730 classic
[14:49] <Tuhin> evtime i want to start using android phone, it stops working somehow or other
[14:50] <Kilos> whew
[14:50] <Kilos> wb pavlushka
[14:50] <Tuhin> wb pavlushka
[14:51] <Tuhin> zaki ur phone was announced in 2012, so its not that old
[14:51] <zaki> mine is gt-s5310I
[14:51] <Tuhin> i was using iphone  2g made in 2007
[14:51] <Tuhin> also TMobile Wing, made in 2008
[14:51] <pavlushka> Kilos: thanks, I guess soon we have an expert here
[14:51] <pavlushka> Tuhin: thanks
[14:53] <Tuhin> zaki, ur phone have android 2.3 or later
[14:53] <Tuhin> that means it will work with almost all apps
[14:53] <maateen> Hello
[14:53] <Tuhin> and IRC clients dont need much ram
[14:53] <zaki> thats true, works with all apps
[14:54] <pavlushka> yeaaaa maateen
[14:54] <pavlushka> maateen: you sure about this nick
[14:54] <zaki> but i can't run  facebook app or a browser togather..
[14:55] <zaki> multytasking no good..
[14:55] <pavlushka> maateen: you have to register this nick
[14:55] <zaki> oky.. but which irc client is good for android?
[14:55] <Tuhin> hi maateen
[14:55] <Kilos> hi maateen
[14:55] <maateen> Hi
[14:55] <maateen> I wanna register it. But how?
[14:56] <zaki> welcome maateen  :)
[14:56] <Tuhin> zaki, use google, i didnt manage to install any irc client in my phone before it stopped working.. :(
[14:56] <zaki> Kilos,  said androidirc
[14:57] <Tuhin> maateen, google how to register in freenode
[14:57] <pavlushka> maateen: "/msg nickserv register your_password your_email"
[14:57] <pavlushka> run it here without the inverted commas\
[14:57] <Tuhin> better if u run it in freenode tab
[14:58] <pavlushka> maateen: the password you have to choose as you wish
[14:58] <Tuhin> in case u make mistake, none here will see ur email and password
[14:58] <pavlushka> Tuhin: that's not a problem but yes its better, the mistakes will not be visible to us then
[14:59] <zaki> pavlushka, do you use a smart phone?
[14:59] <pavlushka> maateen: select the parent tree freenode
[15:00] <pavlushka> zaki: used to, but not anymore,
[15:00] <zaki> want to know about a good irc client for android!
[15:01] <maateen> Done bro. Thanks
[15:01] <pavlushka> according to AudaciousTUX's saying, অন্য কারো পুরাতন 2্g phone এখন আমার নতুন 2g phone :p
[15:02] <pavlushka> zaki: I used to use androidirc but you can choose from various other option, anything thats suits you better
[15:02] <pavlushka> maateen: now you have to verify the nick going to your email inbox
[15:03] <maateen> All done. :D
[15:03] <zaki> oky. i tried allrdy.
[15:05] <pavlushka> maateen: now join #freenode and ask for a cloak
[15:06] <maateen> cloak? What's that?
[15:06] <Kilos> hides your IP address
[15:06] <zaki> pavlushka, your ubuntu wiki page is cool.
[15:06] <pavlushka> maateen: to mask your nick,
[15:07] <pavlushka> zaki: haha, thanks, I'll try to make it even cooler, you'll see, :)
[15:07] <pavlushka> maateen: wait for you to be voiced by eir, the bot
[15:07] <zaki> you are using ubuntu from 2008. ^_^
[15:08] <zaki> that surprised me. :P
[15:44] <pavlushka> maateen was very sad actually, something was not right with him
[15:44] <pavlushka> QA tell maateen that we love him.
[15:44] <QA> pavlushka: Got it, I'll tell maateen on freenode
[15:56] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: ping
[15:57] <pavlushka> z4ki: for you to kill the main nick that you see after reconnecting
[15:58] <pavlushka> z4ki: run "/msg nickserv ghost zaki password"
[15:59] <z4ki> not online
[16:00] <z4ki> than?
[16:04] <z4ki> pavlushka,
[16:04] <z4ki> Kilos, i'm adding pgp key on my lounchpad account.
[16:05] <pavlushka> z4ki: when you'll see that your previous nick has not died yet, its for that situation
[16:05] <pavlushka> z4ki: I can help you with that, its better to use command line to d that
[16:06] <z4ki> it alrdy done.
[16:06] <pavlushka> wow
[16:06] <z4ki> using password and keys
[16:06] <pavlushka> z4ki: give me the link please
[16:07] <pavlushka> z4ki: and after that sign the code of conduct
[16:08] <z4ki> w8 :(
[16:08] <z4ki> A message has been sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>encrypted with the key 2048R/E5FEC9FD. To confirm the key is yours, decrypt the message and follow the link inside.
[16:12] <pavlushka> z4ki: copy the whole part from "--BEGIN" to "---END"
[16:12] <z4ki> how than?
[16:13] <pavlushka> z4ki: in terminal run, "nano pgp.txt"
[16:13] <z4ki> pasted it
[16:13] <pavlushka> z4ki: and paste the content in there and press ctrl+x
[16:14] <pavlushka> and then press yes
[16:14] <pavlushka> and then press y
[16:14] <z4ki> done.
[16:14] <z4ki> now?
[16:16] <pavlushka> z4ki: now type in terminal "gpg --decrypt pgp.txt"
[16:16] <pavlushka> z4ki: you'll get a http/https link at the bottom of the output, paste it in the browser.
[16:17] <z4ki> gpg: keyring `/home/zaki/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created
[16:17] <z4ki> gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID AFDC4A20
[16:17] <z4ki> gpg: decryption failed: secret key not availabl
[16:17] <z4ki> :3
[16:19] <pavlushka> z4ki: hold on, I am on it, give me a moment
[16:19] <z4ki> oky
[16:29] <z4ki> looks like my secret key is missing
[16:48] <pavlushka> z4ki: sorry
[16:48] <pavlushka> no its not
[16:48] <z4ki> what?
[16:49] <z4ki> regenert it using terminal
[16:49] <z4ki> now how to publish it?
[16:54] <maateen> I am back.
[16:55] <pavlushka> ha ha ha
[16:56] <maateen> command of masking my ip?
[16:57] <pavlushka> z4ki: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send KEYNAME
[16:57] <pavlushka> z4ki: follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[16:58] <pavlushka> maateen: run here "/msg nickserv set enforce on"
[16:59] <pavlushka> maateen: and run "/msg nickserv set secure on"
[17:00] <pavlushka> maateen: will tell you later the way to mask your ip, wait  bit
[17:00] <maateen> Done
[17:00] <pavlushka> maateen: these are for your nick security, preventing other from using it
[17:01] <maateen> ow
[17:01] <maateen> I am new to IRC.
[17:01] <pavlushka> and now comes the masking part, and for that I need to eat first, :p
[17:04] <pavlushka> z4ki: check the last part of that tutorial, at the bottom
[17:05] <z4ki> holly.
[17:05] <z4ki> all done.
[17:05] <z4ki> using gpa
[17:06] <pavlushka> now sign the code of conduct in Launchpad
[17:06]  * pavlushka on dinner, be back shortly
[17:15] <pavlushka> ok, i can type with 1 hand
[17:15] <z4ki> ha ha..
[17:15] <pavlushka> maateen: join #freenode
[17:15] <z4ki> changed my lounchpad id. :(
[17:15] <z4ki> zaki2395 to z4ki
[17:16] <pavlushka> z4ki: that's better
[17:16] <z4ki> added my irc nick zaki
[17:16] <pavlushka> wow
[17:16] <z4ki> waht about ssh?
[17:16] <maateen> Done
[17:16] <pavlushka> z4ki: able to set up timezone?
[17:17] <pavlushka> z4ki: if you have any problem, just tell me
[17:17] <pavlushka> maateen: right click on the channels column in left, it will reveal some option
[17:18] <z4ki> oky..
[17:18] <pavlushka> check the auto join option for channels
[17:18] <z4ki> but there karma is  0 :|
[17:18] <pavlushka> maateen: and also join #ubuntu
[17:18] <pavlushka> z4ki: no problem, you will earn your karma
[17:19] <z4ki> some day my karma will be much.. :D
[17:20] <pavlushka> maateen: meanwhile you can take look at https://www.facebook.com/notes/pavel-sayekat/how-to-irc/10209386543358117
[17:20] <pavlushka> z4ki: :D
[17:21] <maateen> Okay bro
[17:21] <pavlushka> Hello Tuhin , wont you greet them again? :p
[17:22] <pavlushka> maateen: but you have to join #freenode to have a cloak for you nick.
[17:22] <Tuhin> wb z4ki
[17:22] <pavlushka> z4ki: your lp link please
[17:23] <Tuhin> maateen where r u from
[17:23] <z4ki> what ip?
[17:23] <Tuhin> and z4ki?
[17:23] <z4ki> ??
[17:23] <pavlushka> z4ki: LP
[17:23] <z4ki> oh..
[17:23] <z4ki> oky
[17:23] <Tuhin> where do u guys live
[17:24] <Tuhin> i m from Dhaka
[17:24] <pavlushka> Tuhin: maateen is from Barisal
[17:24] <pavlushka> and z4ki is from CTG
[17:24] <Tuhin> nice
[17:24] <pavlushka> and I am from panchagarh
[17:24] <Kilos> whew you guys have been busy and i have been sleeping
[17:24] <pavlushka> maateen: I have been to Barisal two times
[17:24] <Tuhin> how is chittagong doing? does it have traffice jams like dhaka?
[17:25] <pavlushka> Kilos: good for you, :p
[17:26] <pavlushka> z4ki: post your LP link here
[17:32] <pavlushka> maateen: you are voiced in freenode now
[17:32] <maateen> What to do now?
[17:33] <pavlushka> maateen: now ask for a cloak for you nick politely and wait with patience, ask to the nick named "e"
[17:34] <maateen> How?
[17:34] <pavlushka> maateen: like this "e: can you cloak my nick please"
[17:35] <pavlushka> without inverted commas
[17:35] <Tuhin> what that will do?
[17:35] <maateen> Done
[17:35] <pavlushka> Tuhin: run "/whois maateen" now
[17:36] <pavlushka> maateen: run here "/msg nickserv identify password"
[17:36] <Tuhin> maateen uses banglalion... my former isp who used to charge too much
[17:36] <pavlushka> now
[17:37] <pavlushka> Tuhin: run "/whois Tuhin"
[17:37] <pavlushka> maateen: your password
[17:38] <pavlushka> Tuhin: and then run "/whois pavlushka"
[17:38] <pavlushka> maateen: you there?
[17:39] <pavlushka> maateen: ?
[17:39] <zaki> electricity. :|
[17:39] <zaki> pavlushka,
[17:39] <pavlushka> zaki: np
[17:40] <zaki> what i missed?
[17:40] <Tuhin> ]hm
[17:40] <pavlushka> zaki: maateen is missing in the middle
[17:40] <pavlushka> Tuhin: seen the difference?
[17:41] <zaki> oh.
[17:41] <pavlushka> of cloak and without cloak?
[17:41] <zaki> having problm with signing code off conduct
[17:41] <zaki> (7, 9, u'No public key')
[17:42] <Tuhin> yes
[17:44] <pavlushka> zaki: its way much simple than signing the gpg
[17:44] <zaki> how
[17:46] <zaki> oky.. something happening
[17:46] <zaki> i'm bit panicked.. :3
[17:47] <pavlushka> zaki: take it easy, i m guiding you, relax
[17:47] <zaki> https://launchpad.net/~z4ki
[17:47] <pavlushka> Tuhin: you can cloak yourself likewise
[17:47] <zaki> my lp link
[17:47] <Tuhin> sleepy
[17:48] <pavlushka> zaki: what about your ip link?
[17:48] <Tuhin> i already registered my nich
[17:48] <zaki> Tuhin, chittagong is  much better than dhaka :D
[17:48] <pavlushka> Tuhin: no problem, :)
[17:48] <zaki> https://launchpad.net/~z4ki
[17:48] <pavlushka> Tuhin: I am talking about cloaking
[17:48] <zaki> take a look pavlushka
[17:48] <Tuhin> i will save chat log and follow later
[17:49] <pavlushka> zaki: on it
[17:49] <pavlushka> zaki: congrats
[17:49] <zaki> not ip it's LP :P
[17:49] <zaki> ha ha.. :D
[17:49] <pavlushka> Tuhin: that's what i do usually, :p
[17:49] <pavlushka> :D
[17:50] <pavlushka> zaki: ^^
[17:50] <zaki> what now?
[17:51] <zaki> i'm starving  :( time to dnr..
[17:51] <pavlushka> nothing, you are good, save everything else for tomorrow
[17:51] <pavlushka> zaki: please
[17:51] <pavlushka> go
[17:51] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: ping
[17:51] <zaki> oky. :) bye now.
[17:52] <pavlushka> zaki: gn
[17:55] <pavlushka> Tuhin: দুইটা ভাটি অঞ্চলের মানুষ চলে গেল, আর আমি সবার উজানে, :ঢp
[17:55] <Tuhin> ???????
[17:56] <Tuhin> cant read
[17:56] <pavlushka> Tuhin: what client you are using?
[17:57] <Tuhin> hydrachat @ winxp now
[17:58] <pavlushka> goto settings, try to to set the client font to solaimanlipi\
[17:58] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: wb
[17:59] <Tuhin> cant find font option
[18:01] <pavlushka> I have hexchat for both linux and windows, but the linux hexchat is even better
[18:01] <Tuhin> hm
[18:02] <AudaciousTUX_> helu
[18:02] <pavlushka> Tuhin: in hexchat, you can tune many option, local and remote server options
[18:02] <Tuhin> hello
[18:02] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: বলু
[18:02] <Tuhin> i didnt play with options yet
[18:02] <AudaciousTUX_> ki bulbo
[18:03] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: তুমি জানু
[18:03] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: maateen was here, :p
[18:03] <AudaciousTUX_> ki koilo? :p
[18:04] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: পেথ্থম দিন, হের nick tune করতেই গেল, :)
[18:05] <AudaciousTUX_> :v
[18:05] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: see my magic?
[18:06] <AudaciousTUX_> kun magic??
[18:06] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: and zaki has signed the code of conduct, here https://launchpad.net/~z4ki
[18:07] <AudaciousTUX_> oh.. amar sign kora hoynai
[18:07] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: মাটিন রে নিয়া আসলাম!
[18:07] <AudaciousTUX_> koira ashi
[18:07] <Kilos> pavlushka where is ashabadi
[18:07] <AudaciousTUX_> koydin ashe tai dekhen :v
[18:07] <pavlushka> Kilos: may be his holiday is still on, AudaciousTUX_ might know.
[18:08] <AudaciousTUX_> dunno
[18:11] <AudaciousTUX_> http://i.imgur.com/oz8vVhN.png kemne pabo?? :'(
[18:13] <AudaciousTUX_> pavlushka:
[18:13] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: loading that page, :)
[18:15] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: run in terminal "wget http://i.imgur.com/oz8vVhN.png"
[18:15] <AudaciousTUX_> :3
[18:15] <AudaciousTUX_> grr...
[18:16] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: কেন, নিজেরে বোকা বোকা লাগতেসে?
[18:16] <AudaciousTUX_> ho :3
[18:16] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: come on, shit happens, lol
[18:16] <AudaciousTUX_> amar lp page pura faka :'(
[18:16] <AudaciousTUX_> lol :'(
[18:17] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: ভাল তো , বাড়ি বানাও সেখানে, :p
[18:17] <AudaciousTUX_> jayga kom... bari hobena.. :'(
[18:17] <AudaciousTUX_> it bali cement o to lagbe... :/
[18:18] <AudaciousTUX_> amar avro kam kora bondho koira diche :'(
[18:20] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: মাটিন রে কও
[18:22] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: আমার কোন সমস্যা নাই, আমার জাতীয় লেআউট উবুন্টুই ঠিক কইরা দেয়, :)
[18:22] <AudaciousTUX_> koia lav nai... kde er jonnei khali prob kore... onno jaygay thik
[18:22] <AudaciousTUX_> nah.. ebar provat ei jaite hoibe :'(
[18:24] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: যাবাই যখন জাতীয়তে যাও, দুইটা লাভ পাইবা, জাতীয় বিজয়ের কাছাকাছি, অফিসগুলাতে বেশির ভাগ বিজয় চলে, কখনো যদি কাজ করা লাগে, সুবিধা পাইবা
[18:24] <AudaciousTUX_> office er chinta kore kida :v
[18:25] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: সব দিক চিন্তা কইরা অাগান ভাল, অাল্লাহ সাবধানীদের পছন্দ করেন, তিনি নিজে বলসেন।
[18:27] <AudaciousTUX_> office e gele dekha jaibe... ekhono onnek deri :D
[18:27] <AudaciousTUX_> provat tao ektu shohoj ache dekhlam... national er purai alada
[18:28] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: যার যেইটা সুবিধা লাগে আরকি, কিন্তু তাতে নুসা তো আর আইবো না, :p
[18:29] <AudaciousTUX_> nushaaaaaa :'|(
[18:29] <AudaciousTUX_> russel vaire jigai aina dite :p
[18:31] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: জিগাও
[18:32] <AudaciousTUX_> piriye den amar balubasa :'(
[18:36] <zaki> i'm back
[18:39] <pavlushka> zaki: where's your time zone in LP? check here https://launchpad.net/~pavelsayekat
[18:39] <zaki> hmm, i'm just saying about that..
[18:42] <pavlushka> zaki: join here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za, will give you some benefit
[18:42] <zaki> and a Jabbar ID :D
[18:42] <pavlushka> zaki: that's obsolete I think
[18:45] <zaki> so how to add time zone?
[18:45] <pavlushka> zaki: look around at https://launchpad.net/~pavelsayekat
[18:45] <pavlushka> ARNAB_DAS: welcome
[18:46] <ARNAB_DAS> কেউ কি জিনিসটা ইউজ করসেন আগে??????
[18:46] <ARNAB_DAS> http://cyborg.ztrela.com/
[18:48] <zaki> :|
[18:48] <Kilos> night guys. see you tomorrow
[18:49] <zaki> good night Kilos . :)
[19:03] <Tuhin> bye all
[19:04] <pavlushka> Tuhin: GN
[19:04] <AudaciousTUX_> Tuhin: gn
[19:04] <zaki> gn
[19:05] <AudaciousTUX_> fish :v
[19:09] <zaki> pavlushka, sorry..
[19:09] <zaki> that process is in your profile. :|
[19:54] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: আপনার LP link টা দেন তো
[19:55] <AudaciousTUX_> https://launchpad.net/~tanjim
[20:06] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: zaki আজকে যা করসে তার ফলাফল https://launchpad.net/~z4ki
[20:07] <AudaciousTUX_> koi ki korche??
[20:07] <AudaciousTUX_> ami lappy te gele kora lagbe
[20:09] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: take a look , it will help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[20:39] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: ping
[20:39] <AudaciousTUX_> key banaitechi
[20:40] <AudaciousTUX_> etto time lage :3
[20:40] <AudaciousTUX_> ekhono 92 byte.. :3
[20:40] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: ubuntu-bd-fb তে একটা post দিসি, please approve
[20:42] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: thanks
[20:46] <AudaciousTUX_> wq
[20:46] <AudaciousTUX_> dhush... auto approve dite vuila gechi :3
[20:46] <pavlushka> huh, wq!


[01:12] <evc> mate is awesome
[05:31] <Perverso> hola como puedo poner el icono de  rhythmbox en el panel
[05:31] <Perverso> tengo ubuntu mate
[07:04] <johnjay> hi i'm about to run a fresh install of ubuntu mate 16.04 for my raspberry pi
[07:05] <johnjay> can I get the latest packages with a simple apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:06] <ubuntu-mate> You would get the latest packages released for 16.04
[07:07] <johnjay> but i wouldn't get upgraded to 16.10 or 17?
[07:07] <johnjay> i'm not sure if that's possible. the site only had rpi images for 16.04
[07:09] <johnjay> basically the situation with debian is making me nervous
[07:09] <alkisg> johnjay: apt-get update only gives you updates within the same distro version
[07:09] <johnjay> i had to switch to testing on raspbian just to get semi-current packages
[07:09] <alkisg> do-release-upgrade gets you to the next version
[07:10] <johnjay> what would happen if I tried do-rease-upgrade on a raspberry pi 3?
[07:10] <johnjay> *release
[07:10] <alkisg> I don't know the state of the kernel in recent releases
[07:10] <johnjay> i mean, is it possible the system wouldn't even boot or something?
[07:10] <alkisg> I prefer to stick to what the distro maintainers actually maintain :)
[07:10] <alkisg> Yes of course it's possible that the kernel won't even boot
[07:10] <ubuntu-mate> Then dont do release/upgrade. I-ts that simple
[07:11] <johnjay> that's what i'm trying to determine
[07:11] <alkisg> E.g. the stock ubuntu 16.04 armhf kernel doesn't boot on pi
[07:11] <alkisg> So pi requires a special kernel there
[07:11] <johnjay> i see
[07:11] <alkisg> And if the maintainer doesn't take care that it boots in 17.04, then it just won't boot...
[07:12] <alkisg> So if you're not a developer, stick to LTS releases
[07:12] <johnjay> i'm sorry, so in ubuntu in general the LTS releases are more stable
[07:12] <alkisg> Yes
[07:12] <johnjay> e.g. the 16.04? and the 16.10's and so on are more bleeding edge?
[07:13] <alkisg> Yes, 16.04 is LTS and more stable, while the other releases are maintained for less time and sometimes have less quality too
[07:13] <johnjay> and normally dist-upgrade would take you from 16.04 to 16.10?
[07:13] <alkisg> No
[07:13] <alkisg> dist-upgrade is normal update within 16.04
[07:13] <alkisg> do-release-upgrade gets you to 16.10
[07:14] <johnjay> ok
[07:14] <johnjay> but if I did that on the pi, I'd still have the 16 kernel
[07:14] <johnjay> so does that have the same risk?
[07:15] <alkisg> dist-upgrade has no risk, it's even recommended to do it
[07:15] <johnjay> right. ok.
[07:15] <alkisg> do-release-upgrade has a risk
[07:15] <johnjay> even if it's to 16.10 from 16.04?
[07:15] <alkisg> What you just asked made no sense
[07:15] <alkisg> apt-get dist-upgrade does not get you to a new distro version
[07:16] <alkisg> So how can it go to 16.10 from 16.04?
[07:17] <johnjay> right
[07:17] <johnjay> i mean, what is the risk of going from 16.04 to 16.10
[07:17] <alkisg> apt and apt-get, with any parameters, don't go to new distro versions
[07:17] <johnjay> that the kernel might not even run?
[07:17] <alkisg> It requires a special program to go to a new version, and it's called do-release-upgrade
[07:18] <alkisg> We already said that it's possible that the 16.10 might not run
[07:18] <johnjay> i thought you meant for 17
[07:18] <johnjay> i see now
[07:18] <alkisg> So "the risk of going from 16.04 to 16.10", wouldn't that include the possibility of the kernel not running there?
[07:18] <johnjay> so it's not like raspbian where there's the usual stable/testing/sid
[07:18] <johnjay> kind of like safe/slightly risky/insanely risky
[07:18] <alkisg> No, it's LTS, non-LTS, non-LTS, non-LTS, and then the LTS again, same cycle
[07:19] <johnjay> so in general the non-LTSs wouldn't be safe for my situation
[07:19] <alkisg> Testing and sid is similar to if you try to use 17.10 now, while it's not released yet
[07:19] <johnjay> unless I found say a thread where someone said Hey I installed this specific release on my pi and it's fine
[07:20] <alkisg> Right, and that's because ubuntu-mate hasn't released non -LTS versions
[07:20] <alkisg> For other non-LTS releases, e.g. for plain Ubuntu, things would be much more stable
[07:20] <alkisg> Because the devs there did do and support those releases
[07:21] <alkisg> (10:20:07 πμ) alkisg: Right, and that's because ubuntu-mate hasn't released non -LTS versions ==> I mean for the rpi, of course
[07:21] <johnjay> there is a ubuntu mate 16.10. is that non-LTS?
[07:21] <alkisg> All Ubuntu 16.04 are LTS
[07:21] <alkisg> All Ubuntu 16.10 are non-LTS
[07:21] <alkisg> LTS is every two years, so 14.04, 16.04, 18.04 etc
[07:21] <alkisg> !lts
[07:22] <johnjay> sorry it sounded to me like you said ubuntu Mate is only LTS releases
[07:22] <johnjay> ah ok
[07:22] <johnjay> didn't see your message
[07:23] <johnjay> so the takeaway here is I could do do-release-upgrade if I wanted to
[07:23] <johnjay> but as there is no non-LTS version checked for the pi, it might just break
[07:24] <alkisg> Right
[07:26] <johnjay> ok that makes more sense
[07:27] <johnjay> i'm a debian user and I couldn't find good info from the ubuntu wiki or askubuntu
[07:30] <johnjay> thanks for the clarification alkisg
[07:30] <alkisg> np
[07:30] <johnjay> I didn't even know projects like ubuntu-mate existed
[07:30] <johnjay> i heard of like, kubuntu and lubuntu and such though
[07:33] <alkisg> Each desktop environment has an ubuntu flavor for it
[07:33] <johnjay> i see
[07:34] <johnjay> is that related to Unity being tightly integrated into ubuntu?
[07:34] <johnjay> whenever people talk about ubuntu unity always gets brought up i've found
[07:36] <alkisg> Unity is no longer developed
[07:52] <johnjay> ah ok.
[07:52] <johnjay> i can't fathom why different desktop environments would need different releases
[07:53] <alkisg> johnjay: you get a live cd. Which desktop environment do you want there?
[07:53] <alkisg> LXDE? Then get the lubuntu live cd
[07:53] <alkisg> MATE? Then get the mate live cd etc
[07:53] <alkisg> You can't put all of them there, it would require 10 GB
[07:53] <johnjay> good point
[07:54] <johnjay> blu rays aren't exact standard
[07:54] <alkisg> And 4 GB usb sticks are common :)
[07:55] <johnjay> well anyways ima boot up ubuntu mate
[07:56] <johnjay> if it crashes on me or something i'll be back here right away
[08:33] <johnjay> well i'm pleased to say ubuntu-mate got my usb speakers working ootb
[08:34] <webmind> nice
[08:34] <johnjay> weechat is only 1.4 though
[08:34] <johnjay> not sure how to upgrade individual packages unless through source
[08:34] <johnjay> the weechat folks told me to add their repo but that sounded risky
[09:01] <johnjay> nice mate terminal has framebuffer support built in
[09:02] <alkisg> !ppa
[09:03] <johnjay> so i can install ppa but not deb in ubuntu?
[09:06] <alkisg> You can install ppa and deb, sure
[09:07] <alkisg> PPAs are used to install *and update* .debs
[09:07] <alkisg> While if you just install a .deb, you don't get updates
[09:07] <johnjay> oh ok
[09:08] <webmind> sometimes one can also use backports
[10:22] <Guest49894> Hi! Is there on a later stage to encrypt the hole system, or must a start from scratch?
[10:24] <webmind> if you want to encrypt the whole-system, it's best to do this from the start
[10:27] <Guest49894> For example, if I purchase a Orion inklusive a Mate installation, do you think I am able to instruct them to encrypt to hole system and is there a possibilty to change the password later, for example with disks?
[10:40] <Guest49894> Since I have to make the decision from the start, otherwise I have to purchase sole the machine and install Mate by myself! Since I will order to 2 disks may I run into problems, because I am new, but want change the system from Win to Ubuntu!
[11:07] <webmind> tricky. I don't know how easy it is the change the password, but it should be possible
[11:07] <webmind> I personally however would not trust a 3rd party to do the encrypted situation
[11:08] <webmind> ubuntu-mate installation is fairly easy, but have not looked at how easy it is with encryption,I guess not very difficult
[11:53] <touzi> hi
[11:55] <touzi> pppp
[18:31] <fileserver> Hi
[18:32] <fileserver> Wait, before you ask why my name is fileserver that is because that is what I am using this rpi for
[18:34] <johnjay> lol ok...
[18:34] <johnjay> speaking of the rpi
[18:34] <johnjay> i don't see a temperature widget for the panel
[18:34] <johnjay> is there an easy way to add the output of a sh command to show up in bright green on the panel?
[18:34] <johnjay> I know how to get my temperature from the command line
[18:56] <rossi-mate> Hello guys, can anyone help me to upgrade my OS version?
[18:56] <sixwheeledbeast> do-release-upgrade in terminal?
[18:58] <rossi-mate> I'd just installed a ubuntu MATE 14.04, nothing done yet. Can i securely update with terminal?
[18:58] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't see why not, is this a PC?
[18:59] <johnjay> rossi-mate: that would upgrade you to 14.10
[18:59] <johnjay> based on my limited understanding from alkisg trying to explain it to me
[19:04] <rossi-mate> I'm using a Note. I saw that it will be upgraded to the next version. My question is, could update three times, to achieve the latest version?
[19:07] <johnjay> well idk how true this is for the Note
[19:07] <johnjay> but I'm on a pi and alkisg said if I upgraded the kernel might not even start
[19:07] <johnjay> so idk how hardware supported your Note is
[19:09] <rossi-mate> ok. Thanks guys.
[21:46] <johnjay> i'm still having trouble getting the temperature on the panel
[21:46] <johnjay> any ideas?
[21:47] <johnjay> I have the bash command to fetch it if there's a way to display that on the taskbar
[21:57] <atZrRar> hi I've a little trouble regarding caja file manager and didn't find any useful fix to it yet. There was a device connected physically to my PC that left some entries among those under ther computer:/// location (in particular, an ipod classic being flashed with rockbox/umsboot altogether) so the question is: how to get rid of these .drive entries, after the actual device is unplugged? gnome-disks always crashes btw when
[21:57] <atZrRar> trying to eject or turn off those devices (they're listed there)
[21:59] <atZrRar> also, I think that it has to do with gvfs somehow.. however, no idea how to unmount devices out of this one
[22:04] <johnjay> caja file manager. is that from arch?
[22:05] <deskwizard> johnjay: theres probably a way easier way than this, but you can use that bash cmd with a python indicator
[22:05] <johnjay> deskwizard: ooh. how does that work
[22:06] <Astro7467> @johnjay: not at a computer but in sw boutique there is a app (psensor?) that provides an indicator which may help. plus I think there is a panel indicator you can add as part of MATE
[22:06] <johnjay> i already tried psensor didn't seem to work
[22:06] <johnjay> yeah but idk what it is
[22:07] <deskwizard> johnjay: the indicator is (quite rightly) called hardware sensor monitor.
[22:07] <johnjay> lol ok
[22:07] <johnjay> i don't know what the "right" name is for something like that
[22:08] <deskwizard> see, I told you there was way easier ways than what I mentionned lol
[22:10] <johnjay> i have mate-sensors-applet-common. but there's no option to add a temp module to the panel
[22:11] <johnjay> ah ok i added hardware-sensor-monitor to the panel
[22:11] <johnjay> but it says no sensors found. lol
[22:14] <DarkPsydeLord> johnjay, so a missing lib somewhere
[22:15] <johnjay> idk i googled and don't see any way to create my own mate applet
[22:15] <DarkPsydeLord> then create your own conky
[22:15] <johnjay> i have the temp already i just need to display it
[22:15] <johnjay> what's a conky?
[22:15] <DarkPsydeLord> lemme see if i have an image somewhere
[22:16] <johnjay> is this that one that overlays on the desktop?
[22:16] <johnjay> as opposed to appearing in the taskbar?
[22:18] <DarkPsydeLord> https://ptpb.pw/68rt.png
[22:19] <DarkPsydeLord> i dont recall what i was doing that day but theres a good img of my conky script
[22:19] <johnjay> hmm ok so it is an overlay
[22:19] <johnjay> i'd rather have a panel applet since that's what i have
[22:19] <johnjay> but if there's no other way...
[22:20] <DarkPsydeLord> do you have lm-sensors installed?
[22:21] <johnjay> yes 3.4.0-2
[22:24] <DarkPsydeLord> uhm
[22:25] <DarkPsydeLord> https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-sensors-applet
[22:25] <DarkPsydeLord> theres the source of the applet
[22:25] <DarkPsydeLord> as you asked how to create your own
[22:26] <johnjay> alright I have conky running and I'm editing the config file
[22:26] <johnjay> ah ok thanks DarkPsydeL
[22:27] <johnjay> would i need to recompile or just put my script somewhere?
[22:27] <DarkPsydeLord> in conky?
[22:27] <johnjay> no for making my own mate applet
[22:28] <johnjay> i'm asking would i need to recompile mate-desktop or something
[22:28] <DarkPsydeLord> na just the applet
[22:28] <DarkPsydeLord> recompile the whole DE will be nonsense
[22:29] <DarkPsydeLord> also i dont think theres any need to recompile the applet since you are modding only the behaviour and where the info is coming from
[22:30] <DarkPsydeLord> just a restart will made the trick
[22:36] <johnjay> well it's linux so i'm used to that kind of thing
[22:36] <johnjay> trying to build mpv now lol actually
[22:45] <johnjay> alright i got conky working and showing my CPU temps
[23:00] <deskwizard> johnjay: as I said, you can make a mate applet with python, theres tutorials and all, I'd help more but that's all I managed to do :P


[07:57] <ball> Does Ubuntu-on-air require Adobe Flash or wil Gnash suffice?
[08:01] <dholbach> hello everyone
[08:01] <ball> Mornin'
[08:01] <dholbach> are you all joined into the video stream?
[08:02] <ball> I'm watching it now.
[08:02] <ball> I may keel over though. It's 02:59 here.
[08:03]  * mardi *waves*  watching video
[08:04]  * ball <- Andrew Ball in Illinois, USA
[08:08] <jay-r> hi
[08:09]  * ball waves
[08:12] <ball> I Ubuntu coding mostly done in C?
[08:12] <ball> s/I/Is/
[08:14] <jay-r> is it possible to add in next ubuntu release the feature that can easily converted from unity to classic without installing themes?
[08:22] <ball> (hello jono)
[08:22] <jono> hey ball
[08:24] <jay-r> when i uninstalled an application from ubuntu, does it affect other application?
[08:26] <ball> jay-r: I've not tried it but Ubuntu may warn you if other packages depend on the thing you're trying to uninstall.
[08:31] <jay-r> what if i want to retain the application affected by the application i am removing..what can i do?
[08:34] <jay-r> is it necessary to separate the packages used by an application with the packages used by the other application?
[08:41] <ball> jay-r: I'll let an experienced Ubuntu person answer that one.
[08:44] <kermit666> In pbuilder, do we have to clean the packages before testing another program's build?
[08:45] <kermit666> ok, thanks
[08:51] <kermit666> Can you sync this package from Debian this late, considering it's past feature freeze?
[08:57] <jay-r> what is the best ubuntu version that i can use with my netbook AspireOne D270?
[08:57] <kermit666> mostly clear, yes :)
[08:58] <dholbach> https://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[08:58] <coolbhavi> :)
[09:00] <dholbach> bye my friends :)
[09:00] <kermit666> ok, thanks a lot!
[09:00] <kermit666> bye!
[09:00] <coolbhavi> bye :)
[09:00] <dholbach> thank YOU
[09:00] <mardi> Thanks
[09:00] <jay-r> bye sir. Gobless :)..thank
[09:00] <coolbhavi> thanks a lot for turning up :)
[09:00] <dholbach> let me know if you have any more questions
[09:01] <dholbach> and we can answer them next time around
[09:01] <jay-r> i can't enable ubuntu 3d in my netbook..what's wrong?
[09:02] <coolbhavi> jay-r, depends on the  graphics card I guess
[09:02] <kermit666> just a small note - coolbhavi, your mic or connection was a bit noisy, so it was hard to understand everything. But this is definitely a huge improvement from the first hangouts already! Keep it up!
[09:02] <dholbach> thanks a bunch kermit666
[09:03] <jay-r> what is minumum requirement for me to enable ubuntu 3d?
[09:03] <coolbhavi> kermit666, I'm figuring out a problem in my laptop hopefully should be better
[09:03] <dholbach> http://askubuntu.com/questions/106788/what-are-the-requirements-to-have-unity-3d-running-available
[09:03] <coolbhavi> next time
[09:03] <dholbach> jay-r, ^
[09:04] <jay-r> i agree with kermit666. can i ask when will be the next hangout?
[09:04] <jay-r> thanks
[09:04] <coolbhavi> next tuesday
[09:04] <coolbhavi> at 15:00 UTC\
[09:05] <jay-r> ok thanks :)
[10:26] <furkanozdemir> hello guys
[10:46] <coolbhavi> hello furkanozdemir


[00:40] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: desktop: Add gdebi recommends (LP: #2058631) @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=1de6dc1de9d96aaa1214ee6ead7077a985a68049 (by Sean Davis)
[01:04] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: whiskermenu: Replace GNOME Software favorite with Snap Store @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/8e59a6d78d3589c6c09e6bc8b53b379cde3dd0a5 (by bluesabre)
[09:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: defaults.list: Drop/replace non-existent launcher associations @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/20e024da939dffc0d94ea42ae997d826a047881c (by bluesabre)
[09:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: defaults.list: Replace old rhythmbox.desktop references @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/e738301860eeef1ca99ef195107970b37a7926b0 (by bluesabre)
[09:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: defaults.list: Switch ogg handler to Parole, add new types @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/8c0582e991b8065ad46ea43944c15ed764c56867 (by bluesabre)
[10:22] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Release xubuntu-default-settings 24.04.2 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/0878fbbd8eeb176025fd5c97d1c918b00e40059a (by bluesabre)
[11:04] <bluesabre> The new installer is looking sharp! I'm working on customizing it now. I only need to swap out the welcome image and then add our slideshow. All the setup screens now colorize their imagery with Xubuntu blue.
[11:04] <bluesabre> I hope to have the slides and customization live this week.
[11:40] <bluesabre> Unit193: any opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/2057923 ?
[11:40] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2057923 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Add OpenVPN support" [Undecided, New]
[13:39] <newhoa> Hey! Just trying out the 24.04 daily. The installer still comes up as "Untrusted Application" when launched.
[13:39] <newhoa> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/57
[13:39] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 57 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "LP#1991389 'Selecting 'Install Xubuntu 22.10' icon results in error message'" [Open]
[13:40] <newhoa> I posted a solution there, is there any way to get that command to run before/as the desktop loads? Is it possible to add it as an autostart for the live cd only?
[13:42] <bluesabre> Yeah, that’s what we’ll need to do. If you want to share a script we can add at startup, I’d be happy to add it to live settings.
[16:59] <newhoa> bluesabre: Okay, added a script to the issue. If you can let me know over there if that's okay, or if there's some better way to do it just let me know. Thanks!
[16:59] <newhoa> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/57
[16:59] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 57 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "LP#1991389 'Selecting 'Install Xubuntu 22.10' icon results in error message'" [Open]
[17:16] <newhoa> Uh wait, I made an error in the one I posted, will follow up with a new one in a second
[18:09] <newhoa> Ok, sorry for the confusion! Reposted, I think that should do it. I think it might've been a gio bug (or maybe an issue with the Xfce "trust" thing), but setting it as trusted removed the executable bit so had to add that back.
[18:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: That seems weird to me to ship by default.