[02:30] <mdke> rwabel, UserDocumentation is starting to look great now, thanks for your work!
[03:16] <mdke> how's it going Burgundavia ?
[03:16] <mdke> nice wiki work dude
[03:17] <Burgundavia> is this a special wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalSpellingWords
[03:17] <Burgundavia> mdke, I am just beginning
[03:18] <mdke> oh yeah?
[03:18] <mdke> what are you planning?
[03:18] <mdke> Burgundavia, what do you mean by special wiki page?
[03:18] <Burgundavia> going to cleanup UserDocumenation
[03:19] <Burgundavia> does moin use that LocalSpellingWords for spell check?
[03:19] <Burgundavia> add a Laptop page
[03:19] <Burgundavia> add a PDA page
[03:19] <mdke> cleanup?
[03:19] <Burgundavia> make more useful
[03:19] <mdke> dunno about that spelling page
[03:19] <mdke> Burgundavia, what did you have in mind for UserDocumentation?
[03:20] <rwabel> mkde: yeah it's great
[03:21] <mdke> Burgundavia, rwabel and myself have been doing some work on it recently, perhaps we can pool ideas
[03:21] <Burgundavia> basically, I need to forstall the creation of the NewUser guide stuff
[03:21] <Burgundavia> so I need to prove that I can make UserDocumentation useful for all
[03:21] <Burgundavia> mostly need to cleanup the New to Ubuntu section
[03:21] <mdke> i would like that too
[03:22] <Burgundavia> what is this?
[03:22] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxForReal
[03:22] <Burgundavia> can I kill it?
[03:22] <mdke> why kill?
[03:23] <Burgundavia> it seems to be a non-useful brain dump
[03:23] <mdke> there are 2500 pages on the wiki man, many will be non-useful. The important thing IMHO is to get the useful pages linked well
[03:23] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:23] <mdke> maybe someone wants that page
[03:23] <Burgundavia> murdering non-useful pages is also useful
[03:23] <mdke> the author
[03:24] <rwabel> why not just ask the author?
[03:24] <mdke> IMO we should be careful with murdering pages, the person who created them might want them, and if they are doing no harm...
[03:24] <Burgundavia> should
[03:25] <mdke> remove links to it if there are prominent links on important pages which mislead users
[03:25] <Burgundavia> the first paragraph on UserDocumentation needs work
[03:25] <mdke> yes indeed
[03:25] <mdke> that is out of date
[03:25] <rwabel> I'm sure the author of the page has just started, it's dated from yesterday
[03:26] <Burgundavia> I am going to get rid of the icon, as it takes up too much vertical space
[03:26] <Burgundavia> just did an edit
[03:27] <Burgundavia> we need a DeletionRequests page
[03:28] <mdke> gah
[03:28] <mdke> damn you
[03:28] <mdke> crossing over edits = bad
[03:28] <Burgundavia> I said I was editing it
[03:28] <Burgundavia> sorry, saw that after I had saved
[03:28] <mdke> the wiki should have told us that someone else was working on the page
[03:31] <Burgundavia> mdke, you done?
[03:31] <mdke> not quite
[03:31] <Burgundavia> ouch https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackupYourSystem needs some love
[03:31] <Burgundavia> too wordy
[03:31] <mdke> you removed the warning not to make structural changes without talking to ubuntu-doc?
[03:32] <Burgundavia> no, moved it to the bottom
[03:32] <mdke> Burgundavia, its a howto from the forum, i only just copied it over
[03:32] <Burgundavia> "To do this, become root with
[03:32] <Burgundavia> sudo su
[03:32] <Burgundavia> "
[03:32] <Burgundavia> umm, no
[03:32] <mdke> Burgundavia, ah hmm. Maybe it would be better to have it at the top but commented?
[03:32] <Burgundavia> yes, like that idea
[03:32] <mdke> Burgundavia, sudo su works afaik, i have followed that howto to the letter
[03:33] <Burgundavia> it works, but is not hte ubuntu way
[03:33] <Burgundavia> do we have a standard "Needs work message?"
[03:34] <mdke> well... i asked the author of the howto to maintain the wiki page too, maybe he will say yes. You can make recommendations for the howto on the forum thread i guess. or just change the wiki page
[03:34] <mdke> Burgundavia, there is a needs work section in WikiToDo iirc
[03:34] <Burgundavia> just added a comment to the top about using at your own risk
[03:35] <mdke> i've finished editing the first para on UserDocumentation
[03:35] <mdke> lemme know what you think
[03:36] <Burgundavia> looks good
[03:36] <mdke> that page is rocking now compared to a week ago
[03:38] <Burgundavia> check the page now
[03:38] <Burgundavia> I seperated installation methods
[03:38] <mdke> great idea
[03:39] <Burgundavia> I rather like AudioCDBurning
[03:39] <mdke> only thing missing from installation 1 is some install guides
[03:40] <mdke> i'll add em
[03:40] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:40] <mdke> ah shit
[03:40] <mdke> the existing ones are for warty
[03:40] <Burgundavia> then fix them
[03:40] <Burgundavia> anyway, all our installation stuff is about to be obselete
[03:41] <Burgundavia> what about removing the non-technical/faq stuff from the NewUbuntu User stuff?
[03:42] <Burgundavia> thoughts?
[03:43] <Burgundavia> and Kubuntu does not need to be in the New Users stuff
[03:44] <mdke> i will tend to avoid that NewUsers stuff
[03:44] <mdke> i still think that the UserDocumentation page can/should be user-friendly enough
[03:45] <Burgundavia> ok, I am going to go to town on the new users section
[03:46] <mdke> they will roll back maybe
[03:46] <mdke> best thing is to keep communication strong so that they know what you are doing and why
[03:46] <Burgundavia> no, the section in the UserDocumentation page
[03:47] <Burgundavia> is there a getting Ubuntu page?
[03:48] <mdke> oh sorry i see
[03:48] <mdke> where will you put the kubuntu link?
[03:48] <mdke> that is important IMHO
[03:48] <Burgundavia> no idea
[03:48] <Burgundavia> thoughts?
[03:48] <mdke> i think it should be there myself
[03:48] <mdke> but you are right about the faq probably
[03:49] <mdke> maybe move that to other resources
[03:49] <Burgundavia> let me edit and you can critique
[03:49] <mdke> also probably the basic CLI commands can go
[03:49] <mdke> somewhere lower
[03:50] <Burgundavia> should getting ubuntu list development versions?
[03:50] <Burgundavia> GettingUbuntu
[03:51] <mdke> i like it, its at the bottom so does no harm IMO
[03:51] <mdke> what do you think?
[03:51] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:51] <Burgundavia> thinking of moving into its own page
[03:51] <Burgundavia> to cleanup getting Ubuntu
[03:51] <mdke> i think lots of people look for the Development version
[03:51] <mdke> i think having it under a subsection on that page is quite nice myself
[03:52] <mdke> kinda makes sense to have it in GettingUbuntu to me
[03:52] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:53] <mdke> i tell you what I don't like
[03:53] <mdke> links to the spanish version
[03:53] <mdke> also I'm gonna change the section titles so that Development is more clearly separated from the rest
[03:53] <Burgundavia> editing it
[03:53] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[03:54] <mdke> cool
[03:54] <Burgundavia> done
[03:54] <Burgundavia> how to I link to specific section of a wiki page?
[03:54] <mdke> erm
[03:55] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMacros#here
[03:55] <mdke> what is your view on having spanish links in pages?
[03:56] <Burgundavia> sure
[03:56] <Burgundavia> no need to make it harder to find the international links
[03:56] <mdke> but none of the other languages link
[03:57] <Burgundavia> then link them
[03:57] <mdke> and the spanish pages should have their own table of contents really
[03:58] <mdke> i'll leave it for now
[04:00] <mdke> burgs
[04:00] <mdke> know anything about iptables?
[04:00] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IptablesHowTo
[04:00] <Burgundavia> how do I make a link this  [[Page linked to|actual link in page] ]
[04:00] <Burgundavia> no much
[04:00] <Burgundavia> umm, firestarter?
[04:01] <mdke> i've heard firestarter is a bit shit
[04:01] <mdke> btw
[04:01] <Burgundavia> firestarter needs some interface love
[04:01] <Burgundavia> but isn't bad
[04:02] <mdke> [:PageNameInCamelCase:your lovely readable link]
[04:03] <mdke> we should be copying more gentoo docs ;)
[04:03] <mdke> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Iptables_for_newbies
[04:04] <mdke> i gotta sleep
[04:04] <mdke> night
[04:04] <Burgundavia> cya
[04:05] <mdke> parting thought
[04:05] <Burgundavia> oh?
[04:05] <mdke> i wonder if it would be helpful to have a list of wikiteam people
[04:06] <mdke> for coordination purposes so people can communicate and feedback on what they're doing
[04:06] <Burgundavia> might be
[04:06] <mdke> this session has been useful IMO
[04:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:06] <mdke> ok --> bed
[04:06] <mdke> hassle elmo abo
[04:07] <mdke> ut commit accounts
[04:07] <mdke> :)
[04:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:10] <rwabel> me too
[04:10] <rwabel> cu
[04:16] <mdke> Burgundavia, do you mind if i remove the "non-technical" reading section? I think it complicates a bit. I was thinking, remove StartingTheJourney altogether and put UbuntuPhilosophy in the first section under About Ubuntu?
[04:17] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:17] <mdke> awesome
[04:18] <mdke> hmm
[04:18] <mdke> looking good
[04:18] <mdke> we can make some nicer links another day
[04:19] <Burgundavia> #
[04:19] <Burgundavia> NewUbuntuUsers - answers to common questions for new users
[04:19] <Burgundavia> #
[04:19] <Burgundavia> [WWW]  Glossary - learn the meaning of some words related to computers, linux, and Ubuntu.
[04:19] <Burgundavia> #
[04:19] <Burgundavia> FrequentlyAskedQuestions - Answers for questions not yet in the [WWW]  FAQ database
[04:19] <Burgundavia> what do you think about these 3 links?
[04:19] <Burgundavia> I want them to go away
[04:20] <mdke> 2. glossary i like
[04:20] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:20] <Burgundavia> glossary is a little technical
[04:20] <mdke> 3. i don't like. not sure whether it should go away but we can think about it
[04:20] <mdke> hmm
[04:20] <mdke> maybe move to other resources for the glossary then?
[04:20] <Burgundavia> NewUbuntuUsers duplicates the section it is in
[04:20] <mdke> remove 1
[04:21] <Burgundavia> done
[04:21] <Burgundavia> mdke, were you not going to bed?
[04:21] <mdke> i'm making a list of people on WikiTeam, robitaille, rwabel, Burgundavia I'm adding you
[04:21] <mdke> Burgundavia, might have been
[04:21] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:21] <Burgundavia> is 3am there, no?
[04:21] <mdke> yes
[04:21] <Burgundavia> you must not live with anyone
[04:22] <mdke> correct
[04:22] <mdke> well i have a flatmate
[04:22] <mdke> but he has his own room :)
[04:22] <mdke> my g/f is coming to visit on saturday so I might as well get going on Ubuntu until she does :)
[04:22] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:25] <mdke> i don't like the table of contents any more
[04:25] <mdke> i wonder if we can get it to use bullet points in the subsections
[04:26] <Burgundavia> would be nice
[04:26] <mdke> doesn't look like it...
[04:26] <mdke> we can limit the max depth...
[04:27] <mdke> but that wouldn't work
[05:08] <mdke> ARGH!
[05:08] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGuide
[05:08] <mdke> why?
[05:11] <mdke> hey dude
[05:12] <mdke> i noticed you're porting ubuntuguide to the wiki
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> ahh this would be th right channel
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[05:12] <mdke> how come?
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> people keep reading the damn thing and if they're going to read it
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> they could at least read one that's up to date and correct
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> or at least correctable
[05:12] <mdke> ok
[05:13] <mdke> i have a couple of ideas on that
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> is there a better way I should be approaching it?
[05:13] <mdke> first of all, do you know that the doc team is working on a version of the guide?
[05:14] <mdke> it will be released with breezy and as static html on the website
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> I search around the wiki but couldn't find anything easily available that was similar
[05:14] <mdke> this document we are working on is not on the wiki but in our svn repository
[05:14] <mdke> if you want to get involved with it, we would be happy
[05:14] <mdke> there are two guys working on it, i'm sure they would love a hand
[05:14] <mdke> if not, np
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> yeah that would be cool
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> a lot of the issues i find is just dealing with the things ubuntu can't distribute
[05:15] <mdke> yeah we have some difficulty with that too
[05:15] <mdke> especially since it will ship with the distro
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> as an end user, I don't care about patents, I just want to play mp3s DVDs, other movies, java and flash
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> is it a legal problem for ubuntu to tell people how to do it
[05:16] <mdke> some things are
[05:16] <mdke> we will probably be handling the problem thus:
[05:16] <mdke> wait to see what hoary-extras does when backports becomes "official"
[05:17] <mdke> then act accordingly
[05:17] <Burgundavia> patents are mostly ok
[05:17] <Burgundavia> it is w32codecs that are the real problem
[05:17] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, the other thing you might be interested in is that we are trying to improve the documentation area on the wiki to make available much of the material that is in the guide but not the wiki. Maybe you would be interested in helping out? The Homepage for documentation is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[05:18] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, if you identify things that are in the guide but not in the wiki, perhaps you could create the pages and link in that page? that way we will have a rocking documentation area in the wiki
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[05:20] <HrdwrBoB> is there a nicer way to refresh the gnome menu than killing gnome-panel
[05:20] <mdke> i reckon a really long page like UbuntuGuide is not so accessible as that method
[05:20] <HrdwrBoB> that seems like an awfully vicious way of doing it
[05:20] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, no, but it should update automatically. Only the icons don't update.
[05:20] <HrdwrBoB> what I find people like with ubuntuguide is it's a lot of 'quick fixes'
[05:20] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I thought so
[05:21] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, we are not against quick fixes :)
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[05:21] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, the main reason I called you in here was to make you aware of what we are doing and to ensure there is no duplication of effort :)
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> yeah that's cool
[05:22] <mdke> great
[05:22] <mdke> ok real bed time now
[05:22] <mdke> (04.22)
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> heh, night
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> lunchtime for me
[05:23] <mdke> :)
[05:23] <mdke> aussie?
[05:23] <Burgundavia> what are we going to do with UbuntuGuide right now?
[05:23] <mdke> Burgundavia, that's up to HrdwrBoB
[05:23] <Burgundavia> as it is copyright violation, as well
[05:23] <mdke> hehe
[05:23] <mdke> Burgundavia, that is debateable.
[05:23] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:24] <Burgundavia> as the 5.04 is a deriv on the 4.10 one
[05:24] <Burgundavia> and the 4.10 was tri-licensed
[05:24] <mdke> there is a clear intention to give a licence on his page, even if it isn't properly done
[05:24] <Burgundavia> but our wiki is not gpl
[05:24] <Burgundavia> thus it is license violation
[05:24] <Burgundavia> as gpl and gfdl cannot be mixed
[05:24] <mdke> that is a very stiff way of looking at it
[05:25] <Burgundavia> the law is very stiff
[05:25] <Burgundavia> it sucks but is true
[05:25] <mdke> hey
[05:25] <mdke> you canadians have the most flexible law of all of us
[05:25] <Burgundavia> not really
[05:25] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: stuff on the wiki inherently becomes GFDL?
[05:25] <Burgundavia> HrdwrBoB, dual licensed, actually
[05:25] <Burgundavia> gfdl and cc-by-sa2.0
[05:26] <Burgundavia> well, the new canadian copyright law is mixed bag
[05:26] <Burgundavia> some good, some bad
[05:26] <Burgundavia> that is OT though
[05:27] <HrdwrBoB> so you can't have a section with a disclaimer that's GPL
[05:27] <Burgundavia> actually, you can't have the entire guide
[05:27] <Burgundavia> removing the gpl stuff doesn't unlicense it
[05:27] <HrdwrBoB> the GPL stuff isn't removed
[05:27] <HrdwrBoB> I moved it to the bottom
[05:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:28] <Burgundavia> the ubuntuguide.org author released the 4.10 version to the doc team under our licenses
[05:28] <Burgundavia> you can use that
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[05:30] <Burgundavia> but honestly, one monolithic page is not useful
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> possibly, but it seems to be preferred by end users
[05:31] <Burgundavia> no, end users want quick information
[05:31] <Burgundavia> there are many way so geting that to them
[05:31] <Burgundavia> a monolithic page is one way
[05:31] <Burgundavia> a well linked wiki is our way
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> true
[05:33] <Burgundavia> so, for your page, what are we going to do with it?
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> I just updated it with a "under development due to copyright issues" message
[05:34] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:35] <Burgundavia> please don't like it from anywhere
[06:02] <Burgundavia> this a useful link to keep?
[06:02] <Burgundavia> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/
[06:47] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:24] <robitaille> jsgotangco:  hi (30 minutes later...)
[07:24] <Burgundavia> salut all
[08:27] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, jeezz you're busy today
[08:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:28] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EverydayUsage
[08:28] <Burgundavia> kill it?
[08:29] <jsgotangco> it seems pretty rendundant
[08:32] <Burgundavia> what is this?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StopGnomeFromRestarting
[08:36] <Burgundavia> can I kill it?
[08:37] <jsgotangco> sure mdke wanted to kill that page before
[08:37] <Burgundavia> done
[08:38] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSecurity  should we bother keeping it?  I created that page as a proof of concept during a mailing list conversation, but obviously it hasn't be updated in 3 months.
[08:39] <Burgundavia> kill it
[08:39] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IsoImage
[08:40] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo , kill that?
[08:40] <rob^> is there a copy of ubuntuguide on the wiki?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:40] <jsgotangco> downgrading is ridiculous
[08:40] <Burgundavia> UbuntuGuide
[08:41] <rob^> you could always replace it with the one in subversion when we're done
[08:41] <Burgundavia> there already is one
[08:41] <Burgundavia> FAQGuide
[08:41] <rob^> yes, thats the one I'm talking about
[08:43] <rob^> or even just remove the wiki one, I think ours will be on help.u.c when its done
[08:43] <robitaille> downgrading to Warty was on topic during Hoary's developmental cycle and users were upgrading for no real reason for no real reason.  Now, it's kind of useless.
[08:43] <Burgundavia> it is already dead
[08:43] <rob^> hehe
[08:44] <rob^> good work though
[08:44] <rob^> the wiki needed it
[08:45] <robitaille> UbuntuSecurity is now gone.
[08:45] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NanoHowto
[08:46] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IsoImage  I would kill it; not really useful content
[08:47] <Burgundavia> dead
[08:48] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NanoHowto  keep it?  there is some limited content in there for people interested in that application.
[08:50] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinishInstallationHowto
[08:51] <Burgundavia> is this out of date? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NautilusScriptsHowto
[08:53] <robitaille> from memory, NautilusScriptsHowto is where people were dumping example of Nautilus script.  A bit stale, but I don't think it is out of date per say; probably still useful as examples to use if you are trying to write your own scripts.
[08:54] <robitaille> I keep seeing my name on all these old pages because they all have icons that got repaired recently :)
[08:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:54] <Burgundavia> most of them are very old
[08:54] <robitaille> FinishInstallationHowto   I would delete
[08:55] <robitaille> very limited content....need to much love to be even remotely useful
[08:55] <Burgundavia> dead
[08:56] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhyIMAP   should that be CatDocumentation?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> I would just kill it
[08:57] <robitaille> I'm 50/50 on WhyIMAP.  Too many new users have no ideas about IMap vs POP
[08:57] <Burgundavia> yes, but it doesn't really serve any audience
[08:58] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty
[08:59] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenVPNClientMiniHowto
[08:59] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToEnableMiddleClickURLLoadingInFirefox   I'm a bit confuse by that page.  Is that middle-button loading creating a new tab?    So worth keeping around for a bit longer?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:04] <Burgundavia> tagged as documentation
[09:04] <Burgundavia> I am going to kill the middleclick page
[09:05] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FOSSFP
[09:05] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBootProcess
[09:05] <Burgundavia> development only
[09:06] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility this is a glossary only term?
[09:07] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RemoteConnectionUbuntuLiveCD   risky business...but could be of use for someone.
[09:07] <Burgundavia> I will tag it and then note that it is risky
[09:10] <robitaille> Accessibility:  looks like a glossary term for a page;  Not sure from where.  AccessibilityTeam needs a bit of my love on some links
[09:10] <Burgundavia> I will kill it
[09:11] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThunderbirdDefaultMailerHowto <-- one liner, better served in a more general place
[09:12] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder     Should we have a general Confence Cateogry for the various past and future COFs pages?
[09:12] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:13] <Burgundavia> is this true anymore? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelDoesNotSupportCapabilities
[09:16] <HrdwrBoB> if it is, it could be cleaned up a bit
[09:16] <Burgundavia> why? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingFirefox
[09:16] <Burgundavia> HrdwrBoB, go to it
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> $() is better than `
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> and it's better to add the module to /etc/modules
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> then all you have to do is mkinitrd
[09:17] <Burgundavia> fix the page pleaes
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> and all future initrds will be created correctly
[09:17] <Burgundavia> and add CategoryDocumentation to it
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> doing so
[09:18] <Burgundavia> cheers, thanks
[09:18] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingFirefox  wasn't that on the WikiTODO list (install thunderbird and firefox from mozilla.org)?
[09:18] <Burgundavia> do we really need a howto on installing from source?
[09:19] <Burgundavia> a user is more likely to seriously mess up their system with that
[09:19] <robitaille> people keep asking for it....
[09:19] <Burgundavia> is there a page that is better for this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WirelessFirmware
[09:19] <Burgundavia> ok, I will add huge "do not do" things on it
[09:20] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiToDo has Firefox+Thunderbird page to do.  Not sure who added that request
[09:21] <robitaille> how to add a new category? for that COF one?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> added huge caveat and category
[09:22] <Burgundavia> add it a page
[09:22] <Burgundavia> This page lists all pages in the documentation category on the wiki:
[09:22] <Burgundavia> [[FullSearch()] ]
[09:22] <Burgundavia> then add that to a page
[09:24] <Burgundavia> wow, take peek --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthogTasks
[09:25] <robitaille> oh, that's simple.  So "CategoryUbuntuConferences"?
[09:27] <robitaille> delete?   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnderCarPool
[09:27] <robitaille> a bit late for car pool :)
[09:27] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:28] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:29] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PerkyPenguin
[09:29] <Burgundavia> I feel perky today
[09:30] <Burgundavia> more oldness -->
[09:30] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthogReleaseSchedule
[09:31] <robitaille> carpool is gone.  CategoryUbuntuConferences has been created.
[09:32] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StagesOfUse
[09:34] <robitaille> what was the perkypenguin page?    it is already gone :)
[09:34] <Burgundavia> oh sorry
[09:34] <Burgundavia> some non-ubuntu release planning
[09:34] <Burgundavia> what I want are nice templates
[09:35] <Burgundavia> in wikipedia I can add a stub message to a page, and it automatically gets added to a category
[09:35] <Burgundavia> thus I could tag a page with "NotUpdatedforHoary" and it would be added to the CategoryUpdateForHoary
[09:36] <Burgundavia> useful as a historical articfact?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnifiedHardwareDetectionBOF
[09:37] <robitaille> StagesofUse was on the agenda of that DocTeam meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeeting20041104
[09:37] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[09:38] <robitaille> UnifiedHardwareDetectionBOF
[09:38] <robitaille> was that in Sydney?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> no, Mataro
[09:39] <Burgundavia> all of UDU is on the UDU wiki
[09:41] <jsgotangco> jiyuu0, hello
[09:44] <robitaille> Burgundavia: we finally did it:  tried to edit the same page at the same time:  "Conference".
[09:45] <robitaille> but your version won
[09:45] <Burgundavia> oh
[09:45] <Burgundavia> that is not bad
[09:45] <Burgundavia> I am working from the bottom of the recent changes, 90 page
[09:46] <jsgotangco> good thing you guys werent fixing X or else we now know why its not working heh
[09:46] <jsgotangco> (joke)
[09:47] <Burgundavia> there are a lot of pages on the wiki that i had no idea existed
[09:47] <Burgundavia> think I can kill this?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Dashboard
[09:47] <Burgundavia> dashboard is basically dead
[09:47] <Burgundavia> beagle is coming along nicely though
[09:48] <jiyuu0> jsgotangco, yes :)
[09:51] <Burgundavia> does evolution spam filter by default?
[09:52] <robitaille> don't think so.  I think you have to install spamassassin to be able to enable it.  (never done it)
[09:53] <jsgotangco> ewww
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ok, saved that page
[09:53] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gtk1Fonts
[09:54] <robitaille> Gtk1Fonts is probably of use for some "older" applications...like xmms in the example
[09:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:54] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FOSSFP <-- why is this on our wiki?
[09:56] <robitaille> FOSSFP is promoting the wide-spread use of UBUNTU in Pakistan. FOSSFP is the main contact for UBUNTU in Pakistan.
[09:56] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:56] <robitaille> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FouadRiazBajwa
[09:56] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:56] <jsgotangco> eh?
[09:56] <jsgotangco> pretty structured heh
[09:57] <jiyuu0> promoting ubuntu?
[09:57] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48335&highlight=workshop
[09:57] <jiyuu0> just did this 2 days ago :-)
[09:57] <Burgundavia> out of date?
[09:57] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EventsInBelgium
[09:58] <jsgotangco> jiyuu0, ooohh pretty neat
[09:58] <Burgundavia> very nice
[09:58] <Burgundavia> all those shiny new machines
[09:58] <jsgotangco> nice lab
[09:58] <jiyuu0> first lab was ok
[09:58] <jiyuu0> but warty live can't display res properly
[09:58] <jiyuu0> 640
[09:59] <jiyuu0> 2nd lab, those shinny machines... can't install warty
[09:59] <jiyuu0> live also can't work
[09:59] <jiyuu0> but works fine for hoary
[09:59] <jiyuu0> but the unfortunate thing is, my CDs are all warty
[09:59] <jsgotangco> must be machines with shared video
[09:59] <jsgotangco> eh?
[09:59] <jsgotangco> you should have asked mako for cds
[10:00] <jiyuu0> haven come yet
[10:00] <Burgundavia> if you are doing an event, he can bump your order
[10:00] <jsgotangco> i got loads from UDU
[10:00] <jsgotangco> but i dont have them anymore
[10:01] <jiyuu0> they were pretty much ok with ubuntu
[10:01] <jsgotangco> grrr if i had access to such labs i would do the same
[10:01] <robitaille> I want to do an internal seminar at work about Ubuntu in Sept-Oct;  I'll have to bug Mako before then.
[10:01] <jiyuu0> but at the end of class, i ask em to burn the mepis and ubuntu
[10:01] <jiyuu0> most of em choose mepis
[10:02] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:02] <jsgotangco> they like KDE then
[10:02] <jiyuu0> i think new to linux ppl like kde more
[10:02] <jsgotangco> its understandable
[10:02] <jsgotangco> its also the colors
[10:02] <jiyuu0> and they said, everything in one easier
[10:03] <jsgotangco> my wife prefers using RHEL than Ubuntu probabaly because of bluecurve
[10:03] <Burgundavia> ironically, RH is dropping bluecurve
[10:03] <robitaille> EventsInBelgium:  maybe add a note about the out of date event? But we should keep it.  They ar most up to date than Canadian events :)
[10:04] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, really? what for? Clearlooks?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:04] <jsgotangco> well that's a step forward i guess
[10:05] <Burgundavia> there is a lot of crap docs on our wiki
[10:06] <robitaille> but less now than a few hours ago :)
[10:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:07] <Burgundavia> umm -->
[10:07] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StaticMediaAccompanyingDebs
[10:09] <robitaille> obviously someone trying to sell an idea who got initially turned down on ubuntu=devel
[10:09] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:09] <Burgundavia> kill the page?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> do we know have japanese input by deafult?
[10:10] <robitaille> I think so.  That's conference'spec material
[10:10] <robitaille> if it was accepted....
[10:12] <robitaille> InputMethods refers to that Japanese input page....
[10:12] <Burgundavia> should we have a category people?
[10:13] <Burgundavia> from the old doc team --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto
[10:13] <robitaille> category people?  like this: CategoryHomepage
[10:14] <Burgundavia> ah, nev mind
[10:14] <robitaille> notice in that KernelHowTo the link to the unknown CategoryTechnical
[10:14] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:15] <robitaille> I'm going to bed...I have to work tomorrow morning...
[10:22] <jsgotangco> ooh there's a CC meeeting tommorow
[10:23] <Burgundavia> right, when?
[10:24] <Burgundavia> ouch 1400 UTC
[10:24] <Burgundavia> is 7 am
[10:25] <jsgotangco> hmmm i make it on meetings with 6am on my side :P
[10:27] <Burgundavia> right
[10:34] <jsgotangco> w007!
[10:34] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[10:34] <jsgotangco> it arrived! it arrived at last!
[10:34] <jsgotangco> a parcel just arrived my copy of Zeta
[10:34] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:35] <Burgundavia> zeta?
[10:35] <jsgotangco> www.yellowtab.com
[10:35] <Burgundavia> ah, that
[11:01] <Burgundavia> morning Kinnison
[11:02] <Kinnison> morning burgey
[11:35] <rwabel> Burgundavia: do you know that the HowToStart page is in czech
[11:35] <Burgundavia> where?
[11:36] <jsgotangco> well its under LoCoTeams category
[11:36] <rwabel> but it's on the main page of the wiki
[11:37] <rwabel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToStart
[11:37] <rwabel> it's linked under Community
[11:39] <Burgundavia> you want to fix that?
[11:39] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[11:41] <rwabel> who?
[11:42] <Burgundavia> remoe the link or fix the page
[11:42] <rwabel> I can remove it, but I can't fix the page...don't speak czech
[11:42] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:43] <rwabel> we should ask the author to translate
[11:43] <rwabel> damn...no email
[11:43] <Burgundavia> then just remove the link
[11:44] <Burgundavia> and rename the page to CzechLocoTeam
[11:44] <rwabel> yes
[11:46] <mdke> morning
[11:46] <mdke> but check for backlinks before you rename
[11:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:48] <rwabel> done
[11:49] <mdke> it is still linked
[11:50] <jsgotangco> hi mdke
[11:50] <rwabel> no
[11:50] <rwabel> I've removed...strange
[11:50] <rwabel> will check again
[11:51] <mdke> its linked in a page called TheUbuntuCommunity
[11:52] <rwabel> sorry, I shouldn't use opera..I get sometimes problem while editing with opera
[11:54] <mdke> ouch
[11:54] <mdke> ebil
[04:44] <jjesse> don't know if this is a known issue, but i reloaded kubuntu (hoary) this weekend and my homepage is the default one
[04:44] <jjesse> get an error message "The file /usr/share/ubunut-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found.  Please check the location and try again.
[05:13] <mdke> jjesse, looks like a typo
[05:31] <jjesse> wait i typed it
[05:32] <jjesse> hold on
[05:32] <jjesse> ubuntu is spelled correctly
[05:32] <mdke> ok
[05:32] <jjesse> it is looking for /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[05:32] <mdke> well they have probably removed it from the artwork package
[05:32] <mdke> it should never have been there anyway
[05:33] <jjesse> things now located at /usr/share/ubuntu-docs?
[05:33] <mdke> it should point at the aboutubuntu doc from ubuntu-docs or kubuntu-docs
[05:33] <mdke> but we haven't got an ubuntu-docs yet ;)
[05:34] <jjesse> even though there is a folder there
[09:25] <mdke> mgalvin, rob^, commit accounts?
[09:26] <mgalvin> mdke, not yet ;(
[09:33] <mdke> gah
[09:33] <mdke> i've sent elmo PM's and stressed him in -devel
[09:33] <mdke> i wouldn't mind if he explained why he can't do it, but he just doesn't answer
[09:33] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:34] <mdke> after undertaking to put all requests through in 48 hours, 3 weeks or more is a bit much...
[09:34] <Treenaks> Hello all
[09:34] <mdke> welcome
[09:35] <mdke> what's on your mind?
[09:35] <mgalvin> has he gotten back from debconf yet
[09:35] <mdke> mgalvin, just about.
[09:35] <Treenaks> I'm planning to have a mini-meeting with the Ubuntu-NL LoCoTeam somewhere just after breezy-release (early November), to translate as much docs as possible to Dutch
[09:35] <mdke> cool
[09:35] <Treenaks> is there a "translation policy"
[09:36] <mdke> Treenaks, we will be using Rosetta to translate
[09:36] <Treenaks> mdke: for the wiki too?
[09:36] <mdke> no wiki is not official docs, just for official docs we will use rosetta
[09:36] <Treenaks> mdke: ah ok
[09:36] <Treenaks> mdke: most upstream docs are OK (especially Gnome, etc.)
[09:36] <mdke> Treenaks, about a month before breezy we have a string freeze, at that stage we will through the stuff into rosetta
[09:37] <mdke> and then make a mad appeal for translations
[09:37] <Treenaks> mdke: it's more like the questions we get tired off answering on the mailinglists & irc :)
[09:37] <mdke> Treenaks, well hopefully our docs will be useful for that
[09:37] <mdke> Treenaks, we are writing a number of guides
[09:38] <Treenaks> mdke: guides.. like "I want to play an mp3"-guide etc.?
[09:38] <mdke> check out the work in progress at http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/ (ubuntu) and http://www.lnix.net/~froud/ (kubuntu)
[09:38] <mdke> Treenaks, there is a frequently asked questions guide, which will certainly cover that question ;)
[09:39] <Treenaks> mdke: and this will all be rosetta stuff?
[09:39] <mdke> yep
[09:40] <Treenaks> mdke: we can't get cheap enough space to stay for a weekend before the release though :(
[09:40] <Treenaks> mdke: and we really want to make it a LoCo activity :)
[09:41] <mdke> Treenaks, translation in rosetta is available to all. I agree the locoteam should coordinate it
[09:41] <mdke> but we have to try and get as much done before breezy as possible
[09:41] <Treenaks> mdke: of course
[09:41] <mdke> we will be appealing to locoteams and generally to the translation mailing list/community
[09:42] <mdke> Treenaks, i supose the locoteam coordinates the dutch translation group in rosetta?
[09:42] <Treenaks> mdke: not quite
[09:42] <Treenaks> mdke: for some reasons people don't come to the Dutch LoCoTeam
[09:42] <Treenaks> or at least
[09:42] <Treenaks> different people do
[09:42] <mdke> Treenaks, we all have that problem
[09:42] <mdke> but you can get through it :)
[09:43] <Treenaks> mdke: yes.. and we might just make it a hackfest, if everything is translated beforehand :)
[09:43] <Treenaks> mdke: teaching packaging stuf
[09:43] <Treenaks> f
[09:43] <mdke> well we'll see
[09:43] <mdke> all you dutch speak perfect english anyhow...
[09:44] <Treenaks> mdke: yes.. but my grandmother does not
[09:44] <Treenaks> mdke: and en_NL is not really a supported locale :)
[09:44] <mdke> tsk tsk
[09:45] <mdke> ;)
[09:45] <mdke> well i am a big fan of translation
[09:45] <mdke> i will make sure to come to you guys when we are looking for translators
[09:45] <Treenaks> mdke: ok, we hang out on #ubuntu-nl
[09:45] <mdke> sure
[09:46] <mdke> i will go to #ubuntu-locoteams :)
[09:46] <Treenaks> mdke: is there one?
[09:46] <mdke> maybe visit some individual channels if I can
[09:46] <mdke> Treenaks, yes, Seveas is often there
[09:46] <Treenaks> ah cool
[09:47] <Treenaks> mdke: yeah, he's the new "official" leader, I'm the old one :)
[09:47] <mdke> revolution eh
[09:47] <mdke> ;)
[09:47] <Treenaks> mdke: not really.. just jack of motivation.. and I do more now than I did first :)
[09:47] <mdke> that's cool
[09:47] <Treenaks> anyway -> otherchannel
[09:55] <mdke> mgalvin, actually now I look at the faq guide I don't quite understand the structure
[09:56] <mdke> you around?
[09:56] <mgalvin> mdke, yea
[09:56] <mgalvin> looking at it now
[09:56] <mdke> mgalvin, ok chapter 3 is obviously pretty big
[09:56] <mgalvin> i haven't looked since rob^ updated it
[09:57] <mdke> and groups a number of things
[09:57] <mdke> but then some of the other later chapters are very specific, e.g. apache, streaming media server
[09:57] <mgalvin> does the faqguide build for you?
[09:57] <mdke> also tips and tricks is very large
[09:58] <mdke> mgalvin, yeah i'm looking at it here: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/faqi386/C/
[09:58] <mgalvin> well chapter 3 just goes over installing common things, and there are a lot of them
[09:58] <mgalvin> failed for me, will look at it there
[09:58] <mdke> the thing that strikes me is that users may well find it hard to find what they are looking for. First of all because they don't know whether to look in tips and tricks, add-on applications etc, and secondly because a new user will not know what things like ssh and samba are
[09:59] <mgalvin> right ok
[09:59] <mdke> for example if I want to enable mp3 support, where do I go?
[09:59] <mdke> i look down, i see networking, security, but no multimedia/music
[09:59] <mgalvin> maybe we should break the add-on apps into sections based on type of app
[10:00] <mgalvin> multimedia, office, development, etc...
[10:00] <mdke> i would say the whole thing could be type-based
[10:01] <mdke> because having a single chapter for add on applications, and a single chapter just for DHCP (which a new user will struggle to figure out what is about) seems odd
[10:01] <mgalvin> agreed
[10:01] <mdke> i would say things like ssh, samba, apache, dhcp should be under networking
[10:02] <mdke> and maybe have more user friendly titles
[10:02] <mgalvin> right they should be, right now its still reflects ubuntuguide.org
[10:02] <mgalvin> we should organize it better
[10:02] <mdke> yeah i was just thinking that is the reason
[10:03] <mdke> with ubuntuguide because it was one single page, structure didn't matter that much because users would just search
[10:03] <mdke> for us, we need to get the categories right
[10:03] <mgalvin> yup
[10:04] <mdke> and the titles. 3.13.
[10:04] <mgalvin> additionally, ubuntuguide is meant to be a beginners getting started guide but...
[10:04] <mdke> "How to install Multimedia Codecs?" is not user friendly
[10:04] <mdke> my flatmate has had a computer for years and I taught him what a codec is just today
[10:05] <mgalvin> it seems to have gotten into really tech stuff like dhcp and streaming servers which most users don't need
[10:05] <mdke> mgalvin, i think it is cool to have them, but they need to be in categories so that users know where to find them, and what they do
[10:06] <mdke> Burgundavia, btw check UserDocumentation, I was chatting in #moin today and one of the guys was playing around with the TOC. I'm not sure whether I like it or not.
[10:07] <Burgundavia> on the side roc?
[10:07] <Burgundavia> toc
[10:08] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:08] <Burgundavia> I am also undecided
[10:08] <Burgundavia> shall we solicit opinion elsewhere?
[10:10] <mgalvin> so we should start moving the content into more properly named categories add provide more friendly titles, i am all for it, it will definitely help make the doc understandable/useable
[10:10] <Burgundavia> more cruft
[10:10] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryDVDRippingandEncoding
[10:11] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxForReal
[10:11] <mgalvin> er more understandable
[10:11] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnIBMLaptop
[10:13] <Burgundavia> I had a thought regarding cleanup
[10:13] <Burgundavia> rather than have a page for it
[10:14] <Burgundavia> have a category
[10:14] <Burgundavia> is more scalable
[12:00] <Burgundavia> hey
[12:00] <Burgundavia> the doc team does the wiki
[12:01] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[12:01] <Burgundavia> and that windows page needs some major love
[12:01] <Burgundavia> thanks for doing it
[12:01] <mdke> Burgundavia, url?
[12:01] <|rockinnerd|> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[12:01] <|rockinnerd|> np
[12:01] <mdke> thanks
[12:01] <|rockinnerd|> np


[05:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:25] <soee> good morning
[06:27] <lordievader> o/
[06:35] <ovidiu-florin> https://plus.google.com/u/0/103317747728601767381/posts/ZgNp2ZSHiLL
[07:32] <sitter> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/7806756 this build seems defunct. it started 5 hours ago and is still apt-get updating apparently
[07:39] <wgrant> sitter: Hm, worrying. I'd suggest you cancel and retry it.,
[07:40] <sitter> wgrant: ok, just wanted to let you know in case you want to do some live debugging ^^
[07:40] <wgrant> If it doesn't happen again, I'm happy enough to blame cosmic rays!
[07:41] <sitter> xD
[08:14] <soee> someone please: what was the command to do release upgrade to development vcersion ?
[08:14] <lordievader> soee: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[08:14] <soee> lordievader: thank you
[08:14] <lordievader> ;)
[08:16] <soee> woho needs to townload 1061 M :)
[08:24] <sitter> ScottK: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4-no-kdepimlibs/+merge/268193
[08:31] <sitter> yofel: FWIW that dolphin port is no good, kf5 ports at the very least need their pkg-kde include in rules bumped from 2 to 3
[08:32] <sitter> otherwise plugin paths will be screwed
[08:32] <sitter> ah nvermind
[08:32] <sitter> yofel: jon's done that
[08:32]  * sitter wonders why that repo is not forked from kdebaseapps
[08:32] <yofel> thanks for reminding me about that though, I think I forgot to switch that in marble
[08:37] <sitter> I uploaded a pykde4 that is supposed to transition away from kdepimlibs to  the stage
[09:33] <soee> uh oh, Wily wants to remove: kubuntu-desktop libkexiv2-11 okular
[09:41] <clivejo> Riddell sgclark shadeslayer_ yofel : could someone apply my patch and restart dolphin-plugin please?
[09:54] <clivejo> is it a holiday today?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:40] <BluesKaj> major upgrade in Wily this morning , 235 packages ..aha feature freeze on thurs then bata1 on thurs next week
[11:41] <BluesKaj> beta1 even
[11:47] <mparillo> Based on the package versions it looks like LO 4.4
[11:47] <mparillo> I will upgrade and check
[11:47]  * lordievader goes to update his Wily box
[11:48] <mparillo> Please share if it does not easily shut down after the upgrade.
[11:57] <mparillo> I had to sudo poweroff since the Leave > Shut down did not work. Libre Office seems to be at <IP_ADDRESS> for me, and the menu highlighting works again. And KInfocenter reports Plasma as 5.3.95.
[11:58] <mparillo> Though it did seem to lose my krunner history.
[12:03] <lordievader> Hmm, reboot doesn't give the dialog...
[12:06] <clivejo> anyone working on apps 15.07,90?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ok ,clicking on leave enables logout to appear after rebooting
[12:37] <soee> wily: libstreamanalyzer0 : Depends: libclucene-core1 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>) but it is not installable
[12:38] <lordievader> BluesKaj: After a reboot the shutdown dialog appears here too.
[12:42] <yofel> meh, if FF is on thursday, we should get applications done by tomorrow :/
[12:43] <sitter> yofel: fix all the red and upload ;)
[12:43] <yofel> will do once I'm not at work anymore...
[12:43] <sitter> pim should be good soon
[12:44] <sitter> if building didn't take ages that is ^^
[12:44] <yofel> can you look at marble? It's failing with a vtable link error, and I'm not sure which dep is broken..
[12:45] <BluesKaj> no dependency problem with libclucene-core1 on Wily here soee It's the "core library for full-featured text search engine (runtime)"
[12:45] <yofel> it's probably something in frameworks, because qtonly marble built fine
[12:46] <sitter> yofel: looks like missing link dep TBH
[12:47] <yofel> okaay? But shouldn't vtable symbols be at least resolved to a dummy one if nothing overrides it?
[12:47]  * yofel needs to read up on vtables again
[12:49] <sitter> looking
[12:53] <sitter> interestingly enough it links fine locally
[12:54] <clivejo> hi sitter
[12:54] <jussi> gday
[12:54] <sitter> clivejo: hey
[12:54] <sitter> jussi: gday mate
[12:54] <jussi> long time no speak
[12:55] <lordievader> Hey jussi, how are you?
[12:55] <clivejo> any ideas why kmailtransport is failing?
[12:55] <jussi> Im alive :)
[12:55] <sitter> clivejo: it's not
[12:55] <sitter> clivejo: you can pretty much ignore all of pim
[12:56] <sitter> rapidly iterating that stuff is
[12:56] <clivejo> oh, you fixed it
[13:01] <ahoneybun> o/ jussi
[13:01] <jussi> hi ahoneybun
[13:04] <sitter> yofel: were you able to reproduce this locally?
[13:04] <yofel> yes
[13:04] <yofel> at least yesterday
[13:05] <yofel> wily chroot with proposed + ppa + frameworks ppa
[13:06] <sitter> gonna check there
[13:06] <sitter> I think it is missing a moc include somewhere
[13:06] <sitter> factory should be a qobject so the vtable issue would be from the metaobject not being available
[13:08] <yofel> maybe I should try to build 15.08.0 instead..
[13:09] <sitter> https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma4/AbstractRunner#The_Plugin_Declaration_Macro
[13:09] <sitter> yofel: no relevant change to that extent in git
[13:09] <yofel> k
[13:09] <sitter> #include "main.moc" might solve it
[13:10] <soee> BluesKaj: are you on master server ?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> soee:  master server ?
[13:11] <sitter>  /home/me/src/git/k/marble/src/plasmarunner/main.cpp:20:20: fatal error: main.moc: No such file or directory
[13:11] <sitter> pft
[13:11] <soee> BluesKaj: yeah, what server you have set for updates
[13:13] <BluesKaj> U of Waterloo here in Canada, not using the UK server if that's what you mean, soee
[13:14] <sitter> rdieter_work: you are not having link problems with marble?
[13:14] <sitter> /«PKGBUILDDIR»/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/src/plasmarunner/../../../src/plasmarunner/main.cpp:18: undefined reference to `vtable for factory'
[13:14] <sitter> CMakeFiles/plasma_runner_marble.dir/main.cpp.o: In function `factory::~factory()':
[13:14] <soee> BluesKaj: ok than you might recieve update later than when using master, so the problems i report might show for you later
[13:14] <sitter> yofel: I have a diff that should fix it ... what puzzles me though is why it succeeds in a local build, so I am rather feeling like maybe something in frameworks master fixed this
[13:15] <yofel> :/
[13:15] <sitter> anyway, trying in a container
[13:16] <rdieter_work> sitter: no problems here
[13:16] <sitter> makes it even weird then. thanks :)
[13:17] <doko> sitter, you may have noticed that -release got some updates last night. please yell if something broke
[13:17] <sitter> aye
[13:17] <clivejo> anything simple you want me to work on?
[13:18] <sitter> d_ed: btw is it a known defect that after just about any change to workspace shutdown via kickoff will not work?
[13:18] <sitter> clivejo: random orange-ness on apps15.08 or CI would be a possiblity
[13:19] <sitter> so longa as it's not a pim thing that is orange (see list at the bottom of the 15.08 notes)
[13:20] <d_ed> sitter: no...
[13:20] <sitter> uff
[13:20] <sitter> [13:57] <mparillo> I had to sudo poweroff since the Leave > Shut down did not work. Libre Office seems to be at <IP_ADDRESS> for me, and the menu highlighting works again. And KInfocenter reports Plasma as 5.3.95.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> soee:  I'm sure the Waterloo repos are up to date, they pride themselves on maintaining an upto date repos , unless the master hasn't updated the rest of the the servers
[13:20] <sitter> mparillo: you might want to file a bug about that
[13:21] <soee> lordievader: can you check if Wily show sthe same error for you when trying to update ?
[13:22] <lordievader> soee: It didn't.
[13:22] <soee> O.O
[13:22] <rdieter_work> sitter: fwiw, only last checked with marble-15.04.3 (in case it's some wierdness introduced since then)
[13:23] <sitter> rdieter_work: ah, that's 15.08
[13:23] <sitter> ubottu: info cmake wily
[13:23] <sitter> whatever that command was >.<
[13:23] <rdieter_work> sitter: I can try a quick 15.07.90 build locally, I'll let you know how it goes
[13:23] <sitter> yofel: so... my best theory right now is that the cmake in wily is behaving differently
[13:24] <sitter> rdieter_work: cheers
[13:24] <soee> BluesKaj: can you check in for have any strigi* packages installed ?
[13:24] <soee> *if
[13:24] <sitter> it would help if we had marble in the CI :P
[13:25] <yofel> you may add it
[13:26]  * BluesKaj checks
[13:27] <yofel> sitter: btw, what would you suggest for providing libmarblewidget twice? upload a marble-qt4 source?
[13:27] <sitter> yofel: working patchü http://paste.ubuntu.com/12107760/
[13:28] <BluesKaj> soee:  just some plugins for strigi search , but no strigi-client
[13:28] <yofel> oh wait, double building would suffice I think
[13:28] <sitter> yofel: double build
[13:28] <clivejo> libkdegames seems to be a symbols issue, can these be safely updated and missing removed?
[13:28] <sitter> debian will make it a double build anwyay (as seen with oxygen and breeze)
[13:28] <yofel> ok, I'll get to that in the evening, thansk for the link fix
[13:29] <sitter> yofel: I'll file a RR upstream even though I am not quite sure why it apparently works without it for me and kde CI xD
[13:29] <yofel> right, let's see what they say
[13:29] <sitter> it's arguably incorrect code that works all the same
[13:30] <sitter> it's a mad world
[13:31] <rdieter_work> yofel: latest marble sources can provide a qt5 libmarblewidget too, fyi (with recent commit at least)
[13:32] <rdieter_work> err, s/qt5/qt4/ that is
[13:32] <soee> what does the
[13:32] <soee> '+dfsg' in package name means ?
[13:32] <yofel> rdieter_work: right, I forgot that for a moment, I'll look at that
[13:33] <rdieter_work> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=marble.git&a=commit&h=5a7b3daeaab324c2c6f3ffdba69a14dc959b3331  , reference from kde release list too "KDE Applications 15.08 RC is out" thread
[13:35] <sitter> yofel: for dep3 reference https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124787/
[13:36] <yofel> thanks
[13:36] <yofel> rdieter_work: thanks
[13:39] <soee> is this fullscreen dashboard abailable in 5.4beta ?
[13:39] <soee> *available
[13:40] <sitter> doko: dtor symbols are safe to retract I presume? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/214415167/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.libkdegames_4%3A15.07.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:41] <doko> sitter, in general yes
[13:43] <clivejo> sitter: for libkdegames, please review this patch - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12107877/
[13:45] <sitter> clivejo: pushed
[13:45] <clivejo> thanks
[13:48] <clivejo> regarding libkcddb, Im not sure what going on, is it a problem with libmusicbrainz5?
[13:49] <garvitdelhi> Hey, I have been working for project LabPlot in KDE Edu. We don't have any package for this software in kubuntu's repository. We have to install it from source to run them on debian based os. Me and my mentor were looking for some help on how can we get our project into the repositories so that users can install it via apt-get install. any help in this direction would be helpful.
[13:49] <doko> clivejo, I fixed libkcddb and cantata. the fixes are now in wily
[13:50] <sitter> rebuilding. that should fix it
[13:50] <clivejo> doko: oh, still saying failed on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.07.90_wily.html
[13:50] <soee> Riddell: ping
[13:51] <clivejo> ah, so rebuild will fix it
[13:52] <sitter> garvitdelhi: getting it into a kde applications release usually is a good idea
[13:52] <sitter> makes packaging much more managable
[13:52] <sitter> clivejo: yes
[13:52] <sitter> soee: he's away until tomorrow or probably later today
[13:53] <sitter> *possibly
[13:53] <garvitdelhi> sitter, so we just need to include it into kde applications release solves the problem?
[13:54] <sitter> garvitdelhi: yes. it's not the only way to go about it. it is certainly the preferred approach though
[13:54] <ahoneybun> we has an RC of 5.4!
[13:54] <garvitdelhi> Okay, thank you :)
[13:54] <doko> clivejo, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/214655713/libkcddb_4%3A15.04.2-0ubuntu1_4%3A15.04.3-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[13:55] <sitter> garvitdelhi: mind you the next major applications release is schedule for december, so if you want to get into kubuntu 15.10 we'll have to figure out something else. if so please send a mail to the kubuntu-devel list to find someone to do the initial packaging
[13:55] <garvitdelhi> okay
[13:59] <sitter> yofel: I think we should run a script over apps... half the watch files don't cover unstable :S
[13:59] <yofel> right, and some packages have no watch file at all
[14:00] <clivejo> Ive been adding ones I noticed missing
[14:00] <yofel> right, thanks for that
[14:01] <clivejo> how do you script it?
[14:03] <yofel> uh, would be something like "clone git, checkout branch, verify file, otherwise put new one from template in, commit, push"
[14:03] <sitter> yofel: FTR in case you want to do such a thing: scripty I used earlier http://paste.ubuntu.com/12107992/
[14:03] <yofel> and we have the repo list in kubuntu-automation
[14:04] <yofel> great, ruby -.-*
[14:04] <yofel> thanks anyway
[14:04] <mparillo> sitter: When running a daily build, I typically do not file a bug until a day or two of updates pass just in case I got part of a release. In this case, at least, I was able to use the Leave > Shut down just fine after Kubuntu came up cleanly after a sudo poweroff. P.S. The bluetooth icon is back.
[14:04] <sitter> yofel: I'd do it via git https://github.com/apachelogger/kubuntu-repo-merge/blob/master/merge.rb#L87
[14:04] <sitter> yofel: eh, via ssh. simply ls all repos
[14:04] <sitter> that way we definitely catch all
[14:04] <yofel> oh, nice, didn't know that was possible
[14:05] <sitter> just needs some branch checking ... i.e. skip if there is no kubuntu_wily_archive branch
[14:05] <sitter> mparillo: apparently that's what everyone thinks
[14:06] <sitter> every plasma release someone complains about kickoff shutdown not working
[14:06] <sitter> but apparently no one ever filed a bug upstream
[14:06] <sitter> clivejo: new libkcddb uploaded to incorporate doko's fix
[14:07] <sitter> yofel: it's how we dynamically iter repos in all the CI tech
[14:07] <sitter> most useful bit about git.debian ^^
[14:07] <mparillo> But, it is not reproducible, because the next session, it works fine. Something about applying certain kind of updates 'steps on' that function, but after a clean re-boot, everything works.
[14:07] <sitter> mparillo: yep
[14:08] <sitter> it is however reproducible by redoign the upgrade
[14:09] <sitter> which actually should make it pretty debugable once one has a list of which packages were upgraded between which versions
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ping
[14:10] <ahoneybun> XD
[14:10] <ahoneybun> sgclark: still on vacation?
[14:11] <mparillo> But I do not know in advance when it will happen, so basically, I should copy the list of packages in the upgrade set, and when it happens again post a bug on B.K.O?
[14:12] <yofel> mparillo: you can get the upgrade set from your apt history
[14:12] <yofel> although, on wily it's probably not reproducable. With the backports it might be
[14:13] <mparillo> Yes, it is on Wily.
[14:15] <sitter> :O https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/7807964
[14:15] <sitter> who wants to sacrifice their mail on the altar of kdepim5?
[14:16] <ahoneybun> holy crap
[14:16] <ahoneybun> 235 packages toupdate
[14:16] <ahoneybun> 5.4 here we come!
[14:16] <sitter> shadeslayer_: my frund, do you have a wily vm?
[14:16] <shadeslayer_> I does not
[14:17] <sitter> where's jr when you need him
[14:17] <shadeslayer_> He's off doing stuff today I think
[14:17] <sitter> I disapprove
[14:17] <clivejo> canoeing
[14:18] <sitter> yofel: kdepim all built and good for upload
[14:18] <sitter> alas, I can't test because I have no vm :P
[14:18] <yofel> \o/
[14:19] <lordievader> sitter: Give me instructions on how to test kdepim and I'll test it ;)
[14:19] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Almost at 5.4: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=385
[14:19] <shadeslayer_> thou requireth a VM
[14:19] <ahoneybun> 5.3.95
[14:19] <sitter> lordievader: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications && sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[14:20] <ahoneybun> close enough
[14:20] <sitter> you people and your legacy software :P https://plus.google.com/101588423559652288894/posts/gzvngiEE9kD?pid=6180239644263400994&oid=101588423559652288894
[14:22] <sitter> clivejo: did you have a patch I haven't pushed yet?
[14:22] <sitter> kinda lost track with all the people talking about different things
[14:22] <clivejo> no idea, Ive lost track
[14:22] <sitter> xD
[14:22] <sitter>  sbuild-build-depends-kopete-dummy : Depends: kdepim-dev but it is not going to be installed
[14:22] <sitter> meh
[14:23] <lordievader> Perhaps someone needs to write a smart bot who does keep track ;)
[14:28] <sitter> uha
[14:28] <sitter> doko: could it be that the musicbrainz pkg-config file wasn't modified to use the new lib?
[14:28] <sitter> still getting -lmusicbrainz5
[14:29] <lordievader> sitter: The first dist-upgrade failed on accountwizzard, it was trying to overwrite something. Starting dist-upgrade again there were no problems.
[14:29] <sitter> lordievader: what was it trying to overwrite
[14:29] <ahoneybun> something is broke or missing
[14:29] <ahoneybun> both application launchers are broken
[14:30] <ahoneybun> Error loading Applet: package inexistent
[14:30] <lordievader> sitter: /usr/share/mime/packages/accountwizard-mime.xml it is in kdepim-runtime 4:4.14.6-0ubuntu3
[14:30] <sitter> doko: nevermind, different name
[14:33] <sitter> lordievader: ok, fixed for next upload
[14:33] <lordievader> \o/
[14:35] <ahoneybun> how do we access that full screen launcher?
[14:35] <ahoneybun> is no widget
[14:44] <ahoneybun> I see we are missing kdeplasma-addon
[14:44] <ahoneybun> like valorie said
[14:51] <sitter> lordievader: did you continue with the upgrade?
[14:51] <lordievader> sitter: It was done?
[14:52] <sitter> lordievader: is kontact/kmail/kaddressbook working?
[14:55] <lordievader> Hmm, I cannot create a gmail account on kmail...
[14:56] <lordievader> Clicking next does a redraw of the wizard and then nothing.
[14:58] <sitter> lordievader: start from terminal see if there's any output
[14:59] <lordievader> Kmail crashes after a while...
[14:59] <sitter> backtrace?
[14:59] <ahoneybun> next does nothing
[14:59] <ahoneybun> create account or whatever
[15:00] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ^
[15:00] <sitter> ah yeah
[15:00] <ahoneybun> stupid system
[15:00] <sitter> most terrible wizard ever
[15:00] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Also after...
[15:00] <ahoneybun> the crashing is a issue
[15:01] <lordievader> It fails in opening the kwallet...
[15:03] <lordievader> Hmpf, kmail is completely broken here. Is there another way to test kdepim?
[15:08] <sitter> [16:59] <sitter> backtrace?
[15:11] <rdieter_work> sitter: confirmed marble plasmarunner links ok here with 15.07.90 too
[15:11] <sitter> rdieter_work: which cmake?
[15:11] <sitter> version
[15:12] <rdieter_work> with 3.2.2
[15:12] <lordievader> sitter: http://c-c.student.utwente.nl/files/kmail.trace it is long.... 38Mb...
[15:12] <sitter> rdieter_work: thank you
[15:12] <sitter> lordievader: that's not a backtrace, that's an strace
[15:12] <sitter> backtrace is what drkonqi throws you at
[15:13] <lordievader> Ah, sorry.
[15:14] <ahoneybun> sitter: kdeplasma-addons is not in the repos
[15:14] <ahoneybun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kdeplasma-addons&searchon=names&suite=wily&section=all
[15:14] <sitter> oh yeah
[15:14] <sitter> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/wily/kdeplasma-addons
[15:14] <ahoneybun> the source is there
[15:14] <ahoneybun> no package
[15:14] <lordievader> sitter: https://paste.kde.org/pcf2bdciu
[15:15] <sitter> lordievader: looks like a real bug
[15:15] <sitter> lordievader: can you run akonadiselftest and see what it has to say
[15:15] <ahoneybun> sitter: https://paste.kde.org/pc5ywowdu
[15:15] <sitter> becaus according to the strace your akonadi might have imploded while loadin agents, if I read it correctly anyway
[15:16] <sitter> ahoneybun: there is no such package
[15:16] <sitter> kdeplasma-addons-data
[15:16] <sitter> locale files for kdeplasma-addons
[15:16] <sitter> kdeplasma-addons-dbg
[15:16] <sitter> debugging symbols for kdeplasma-addons
[15:16] <sitter> kwin-addons
[15:16] <sitter> additional desktop and window switchers for KWin
[15:16] <sitter> plasma-dataengines-addons
[15:16] <sitter> additional data engines for Plasma
[15:16] <lordievader> Oeh, database driver not found! Am I missing things?
[15:16] <sitter> plasma-runners-addons
[15:16] <sitter> additional runners for Plasma 5 and Krunner
[15:16] <sitter> plasma-wallpapers-addons
[15:16] <sitter> additional wallpaper plugins for Plasma 5
[15:16] <sitter> plasma-widget-kimpanel
[15:16] <sitter> KIMPanel widget for Plasma
[15:16] <sitter> plasma-widgets-addons
[15:16] <sitter> additional widgets for Plasma 5
[15:16] <ahoneybun> sitter: that's very confusing
[15:16] <ahoneybun> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kdeplasma-addons.git/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[15:16] <lordievader> The QSQLite driver cannot be found.
[15:17] <ahoneybun> there is such a package
[15:17] <sitter> ok
[15:17] <sitter> so there is this package
[15:17] <sitter> and it isn't in kubuntu
[15:17] <sitter> lordievader: did you use sqlite previously?
[15:17] <ahoneybun> Riddell: left it built/in the process of building
[15:17] <ahoneybun> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kdeplasma-addons.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=dda7a854b59aab22cc624d84b3e527126a3c2141
[15:18] <ahoneybun> who's on wily with 5.3.95?
[15:18] <lordievader> sitter: Not to my knowledge.
[15:19] <sitter> bummr
[15:19] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Here, here.
[15:19] <ahoneybun> lordievader: do your application launchers still work
[15:19] <ahoneybun> ?
[15:19] <ahoneybun> both of them
[15:19] <sitter> lordievader: dpkg-query -W \*akonadi\*
[15:19] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What application launchers?
[15:19] <ahoneybun> kickoff
[15:19] <ahoneybun> and the other one
[15:19] <ahoneybun> we have 2
[15:20] <ahoneybun> both of mine are broken
[15:20] <lordievader> sitter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12108577/
[15:20] <sitter> lordievader: sudo apt install akonadi-kf5
[15:20] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Both work fine.
[15:21] <ahoneybun> mine say: Error loading Applet: package inexistent. Could not create a declarativeappletscript ScriptEngine for the Application Menu widget.
[15:21] <sitter> lordievader: though something is broken with your akonadi, you might want to try and get a hold of dvratil in #kde-devel to help you debug this. it sounds a bit odd that it would try to load the sqlite plugin though
[15:21] <lordievader> sitter: E: Unable to locate package akonadi-kf5
[15:21] <sitter> lordievader: cat ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
[15:21] <lordievader> sitter: I don't really use kmail ;)
[15:22] <sitter> then at least fixing it isn't critical :P
[15:22] <lordievader> sitter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12108598/
[15:22] <sitter> but something is broken and until I can get a wily I can't say what
[15:22] <lordievader> sitter: Nope, this is a test box anyways. Doesn't matter if things break :P
[15:22] <sitter> mhmh
[15:23] <sitter> lordievader: in akonadiselftest you can copy to clipboard
[15:23] <sitter> please paste the entire report
[15:23] <lordievader> sitter: Would it matter that this is an upgrade from Trusty?
[15:23] <lordievader> sitter: https://paste.kde.org/pqwrhsg18
[15:24] <sitter> lordievader: probably not
[15:24] <sitter> lordievader: uh I get it
[15:25] <sitter> lordievader: sudo apt install libqt5sql5-mysql
[15:25] <sitter> and then akonadictl restart
[15:25] <sitter> then the selftest should be green
[15:26] <lordievader> That fixed the driver issue.
[15:27] <lordievader> Doesn't fix kmail though: https://paste.kde.org/p4derjh48
[15:33] <sitter> lordievader: if you simply start kmail do you get any relevant output before it crashes?
[15:34] <sitter> like "akonadi is exploding, help" xD
[15:34] <sitter> also you probably should install akoandi-dbg
[15:34] <lordievader> Hehe, I don't get that. I do get a window asking for my kwallet password. Which it doesn't accept. And the wizard of a new account shows in the background.
[15:35] <sitter> lordievader: interesting, well, install akonadi-dbg and file a bug I guess
[15:35] <lordievader> Will do.
[15:35] <sitter> or hunt down dvratil and show him the backtrace with akonadi-dbg installed
[15:35] <sitter> seems like a legitatme bug though
[15:35] <clivejo> lordievader: your wily is an upgrade?
[15:39] <lordievader> clivejo: Yes. At the time the Wily images failed to boot for me.
[15:41] <sitter> lordievader: thanks I uploaded a fix for the sql issue. if you want to continue testing simply send a mail to kubuntu-devel with the findings as I am about to head out
[15:41] <sitter> relevant apps probably include kontact kaddressbook and korganizer
[15:42] <sitter> though since the crash appears to be in core akonadi chances are all of these apps also crash xD
[15:42] <lordievader> Err, I think I'll submit this bug and get on with other things.
[15:48] <clivejo> what do I need to copy over to allow kdepim to use my previous settings?
[15:50] <lordievader> Hmpf, drkonqi finds the debug information of too little value.
[15:53] <clivejo> me likey the kubuntu installer :)
[16:20] <pursuivant> muon (Plasma/5.4) v5.3.95-2-g25dfb30 * Aleix Pol: libmuonapt/QAptActions.cpp
[16:20] <pursuivant> pkexec wants split arguments
[16:20] <pursuivant> BUG: 351311
[16:20] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/25dfb3006480b17042efcebdb860c9fd89184591
[16:39] <Riddell> gosh lots of pings :)
[16:39] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin
[16:42] <clivejo> hi Riddell
[16:42] <snele> is plasma 4.4 coming soon to wily? :)
[16:42] <snele> i can't wait to test it :)
[16:43] <clivejo> 5.4?
[16:43] <snele> yea sory
[16:43] <snele> *sorry
[16:43] <clivejo> its in proposed?
[16:44] <snele> clivejo: and apps 15.08?
[16:44] <clivejo> working on 15.07.90
[16:45] <snele> clivejo: ok thanks for info
[16:45] <clivejo> kdepim is not in good shape
[16:48] <Riddell> snele: looks like it's in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop
[16:49] <clivejo> hummm
[16:50] <clivejo> well kontact has opened for me
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can you set up an ec2 for me and ahoneybun?
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> we want to package digikam 4.12
[16:50] <clivejo> and looks like its trying to do something
[16:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ok
[16:52] <clivejo> what do we need to test in app 15.07.90?
[16:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ovidiu-florin want's it packaged lol
[16:59] <clivejo> Riddell: why is kontact and dolphin missing their icons - http://s29.postimg.org/5px4ircd3/wily_kontact.jpg
[17:03] <ovidiu-florin> yeah, they had a huge bug with the UI
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> and I want to test it if it's still there
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> don't we have it in the CI or something?
[17:15] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I reboot fixed my launchers
[17:15] <ahoneybun> *a reboot
[17:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:20] <ahoneybun> Riddell: when are you going to upload kdeplasma-addons?
[17:20] <ahoneybun> you packaged it
[17:23] <ahoneybun> holy crap ovidiu-florin, debian sid has 4.4 version
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> of what?
[17:25] <ahoneybun> digikam
[17:26] <ovidiu-florin> sid is what version of debian?
[17:27] <ahoneybun> expermiatl (can't spell)
[17:28] <ahoneybun> stable, unstable, exp
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> what's that share shell command?
[17:28] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Hehe, the Windows fix ;)
[17:29] <ahoneybun> yea odd I know lol
[17:29] <ahoneybun> share shell ovidiu-florin ?
[17:29] <ahoneybun> just ssh into it
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> I'm in
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> what now?
[17:38] <yofel> ahoneybun: sid is unstable
[17:40] <ahoneybun> yofel: there are 3 channels for debian right/
[17:40] <yofel> irc channels? or do you mean series?
[17:41] <ahoneybun> series I guess
[17:41] <ahoneybun> stable, unstable and one more no?
[17:41] <yofel> there is oldstable, stable, testing, unstable, experimental
[17:42] <yofel> at least when it comes to the metanames
[17:42] <ahoneybun> yea stable, testing, and unstable
[17:42] <yofel> for us, it would map to something like: experimental -> PPA, unstable -> wily-proposed, testing -> wily, stable -> vivid
[17:43] <yofel> we even use the same procedure to move stuff from wily-proposed to wily as they do for unstable -> testing
[17:43] <yofel> just with different settings
[17:43] <yofel> debian release management is complicated
[17:44] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: here are some notes I made: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging
[17:45] <yofel> ahoneybun: maybe add a small section about pbuilder, and document https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks there
[17:45] <yofel> sadly we lost the old information during the wiki move
[17:47] <clivejo> yofel: would it be on the wayback machine?
[17:47] <yofel> now I didn't think of that, good point
[17:47] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/ubuntu/extra
[17:47] <yofel> let me check (once I remember the URL..)
[17:47] <clivejo> yofel: http://archive.org/web/
[17:48] <yofel> the wiki page URL ;P
[17:48] <ahoneybun> clivejo: weren't you doing digikam?
[17:48] <yofel> but thanks
[17:48] <clivejo> ahoneybun: yeah I package two versions for wily
[17:48] <ahoneybun> Riddell: we need a share shell
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what's the name of that shared shell thingy?
[17:48] <ahoneybun> clivejo: what about vivid?
[17:49] <ahoneybun> I found this: https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/ubuntu/extra
[17:49] <clivejo> ahoneybun: I havent done any vivid stuff
[17:50]  * clivejo is seriously considering adding staging apps to his main install
[17:50] <yofel> nope, not in the wayback machine :(
[17:52] <clivejo> anyone know of an easy way to copy files into a VM in  Virtual Box?
[17:53] <yofel> you can mount a local folder as a network share in vbox
[17:53] <clivejo> hi soee_
[17:53] <yofel> machine settings > shared folders
[17:54] <clivejo> yofel: I want to copy in my home directory while the VM is offline
[17:55] <yofel> no idea how to do that
[17:55] <clivejo> yofel: do you know why the kicker launch icon for dolphin and kontact arent working in apps 15.07.90?
[17:56] <yofel> are the icons actually there? (check icon name in desktop file, and then check with dpkg -S if it's there)
[17:56] <clivejo> doesnt appear so
[17:57] <clivejo> I can run both programme's from the terminal
[17:57] <clivejo> and both appear to be working ok
[17:58] <yofel> oh, you mean they don't launch at all
[17:58] <clivejo> correct
[17:58] <yofel> then again look at the desktop files, and what's set as Exec=
[17:58] <yofel> and whether you can run that
[17:59] <clivejo> yofel: http://s29.postimg.org/5px4ircd3/wily_kontact.jpg
[17:59] <clivejo> no icon and do nothing when you click them
[17:59] <yofel> oh, that's your favorites
[17:59] <yofel> are the desktop files even there?
[18:00] <yofel> it could be that the names changed or so, kickoff can't handle that
[18:00]  * yofel isn't running 15.07.90, so is guessing
[18:00] <clivejo> yofel: is correct
[18:00] <clivejo> :)
[18:00] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=digikam.git&a=commit&h=ddd05190f52afd2201434f772e8ce3a6c5e5c487
[18:01] <clivejo> it opens via the office link
[18:02] <yofel> oh, /usr/share/applications/kde4/dolphin.desktop
[18:02] <yofel> that *might* not be the same for kf5 ^^
[18:02] <yofel> we'll probably need a kconf update script or so to fix that
[18:03] <clivejo> spot on
[18:03] <yofel> although I would have to look at that closer
[18:04] <clivejo> new path is /usr/share/applications/org.kde.kontact.desktop
[18:05] <clivejo> and /usr/share/applications/org.kde.dolphin.desktop
[18:06] <ahoneybun> we need a share shell
[18:06] <yofel> shared shell? use byobu
[18:06] <ahoneybun> I have that
[18:06] <yofel> oh, I actually found the old page XD
[18:07] <yofel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment?action=recall&rev=14
[18:07] <ahoneybun> I;m using that yofel
[18:07] <ahoneybun> but ovidiu-florin does not see what I'm doing
[18:07] <yofel> are you *both* running byobu?
[18:07] <yofel> as the same user?
[18:08] <ahoneybun> maybe not
[18:08] <soee_> hi clivejo
[18:09] <ahoneybun> run "byobu" ovidiu-florin
[18:09] <yofel> anyway, gotta run, bbl
[18:09] <ahoneybun> thanks yofel
[18:10] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to find the soure 4.12 for digikam
[18:10] <clivejo> their website
[18:10] <ahoneybun> no good
[18:10] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/stable/digikam/ here?
[18:11] <clivejo> they normally put a blog post about it
[18:12] <clivejo> maybe its an unstable build?
[18:13] <clivejo> ahoneybun: packaging is here - https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/digikam
[18:13] <ahoneybun> for vivid>
[18:13] <ahoneybun> ?
[18:14] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: http://download.kde.org/stable/digikam/digikam-4.12.0.tar.bz2
[18:14] <clivejo> is it this build - https://www.digikam.org/node/741 ?
[18:19] <yofel> ahoneybun: uscan doesn't find the source?
[18:19] <ahoneybun> we got it I think
[18:20] <yofel> yeah, but digikam has a watch file, so you can try that first before searching for it forever ;)
[18:20] <yofel> at least next time
[18:21] <clivejo> digikam was one of the first packages I did.  TBH I havent a clue what I was doing
[18:23] <yofel> uh
[18:23] <yofel> wait
[18:23] <yofel>  digikam | 4:4.12.0-0ubuntu3 | wily/universe    | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[18:24] <yofel> ahoneybun: clivejo already did that?
[18:24] <clivejo> yup, but not for vivid
[18:24] <ahoneybun> yofel: for wily
[18:24] <yofel> aaah
[18:24] <yofel> but why are you looking for the source then o.O?
[18:24] <yofel> you would usually backport the wily package
[18:24] <clivejo> cause I probably didnt update the watch file!
[18:25] <yofel> no, that's correct
[18:26] <clivejo> hummmm account assistant is crashing!
[18:27] <ahoneybun> yofel: I don't know about backporting
[18:27] <clivejo> yofel: me neither
[18:30] <yofel> well, the idea is: "take source from $dev, put changelog for $stable in there, try to build on $stable, fix what doesn't work"
[18:30] <yofel> useful tools include "backportpackage" and "pull-lp-source" from ubuntu-dev-tools (I don't know how to use former)
[18:30] <clivejo> works for 3rd party apps too?
[18:30] <davmor2> clivejo: accounts are over-rated ;)
[18:31] <yofel> well, works for anything that you can get the source package of
[18:31] <clivejo> davmor2: indeed, why would anyone want to use a PIM to check their emails
[18:31] <clivejo> crazy talk
[18:32] <davmor2> clivejo: next you'll be saying that people want to sign or even god forbid encrypt mail
[18:35] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'm just doing something lol
[18:36] <ahoneybun><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:36] <yofel> mailto? ^^
[18:36] <ahoneybun> well thats what it does
[18:36] <ahoneybun> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:36] <yofel> ahoneybun: you'll have to add my pq-edge key from launchpad for me to get there
[18:37] <ahoneybun> damn
[18:37] <yofel> or just all
[18:37] <ahoneybun> no clue to do that
[18:37] <ahoneybun> Riddell: set it up
[18:37] <yofel> ahoneybun: put https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+sshkeys into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[18:38] <yofel> using your favorite cli editor ^^
[18:38] <clivejo> LOL
[18:39] <ahoneybun> try yofel
[18:39] <yofel> hm, I need to do some key cleanup..
[18:40] <yofel> ahoneybun: there you have the wily package
[18:40] <ahoneybun> cool
[18:41] <yofel> email is wrong, fix it later
[18:42] <ahoneybun> soo.
[18:42] <yofel> so, now *I* would run "debuild -S" and feed it into a vivid pbuilder instance
[18:42] <yofel> but you continue as you're used to
[18:42]  * ahoneybun make such pbuilder
[18:45] <yofel> considering this is digikam, you'll probaby have to backport some build-deps as well
[18:45] <ahoneybun> yea I know it will be a beast
[18:45] <yofel> and you'll have to add the backports PPA url to the chroot
[18:45] <ahoneybun> clueless about that part
[18:45] <yofel> (*always* make the environment as close as possible to the place you want to put it later)
[18:46] <ahoneybun> I thought it did not matter
[18:47] <yofel> sadly it does. E.g. digikam uses libkipi and libmarblewidget, you don't want to use a kde and digikam that use different versions of those
[18:47] <yofel> can e.g. cause crashes in ksnapshot which uses kipi-plugins
[18:47] <clivejo> *growls @ libkipi*
[18:48] <yofel> XD
[18:48] <yofel> I'll have fun with marble later.. you should've seen the kde-workspace package while we were still building multiple editions of kwin ^^
[18:49] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[18:49] <clivejo> yofel: if you have time would you walk me along with you
[18:50] <yofel> ahoneybun: where do you want to put digikam?
[18:50] <clivejo> some of it might make sense
[18:50] <yofel> hm, I guess I can try..
[18:51] <ahoneybun> to put yofel?
[18:51] <yofel> ahoneybun: upload to
[18:51] <ahoneybun> I'll put it in my ppa for now
[18:51] <yofel> ok, does your ppa depend on anything?
[18:51] <ahoneybun> ummm
[18:52] <yofel> did you ever click on "edit dependencies" on launchpad?
[18:52] <ahoneybun> I want to say no
[18:52] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-packages
[18:52] <yofel> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-packages/+edit-dependencies
[18:53] <yofel> anything listed?
[18:53] <ahoneybun> Default
[18:53] <yofel> ok, then just go and feed digikam into pbuilder as-is
[18:54] <ahoneybun> still running debuild -S
[18:54] <ahoneybun> had to fix something in debian/control
[18:55] <ahoneybun> what did that do?
[18:55] <yofel> disable debsign (unsigned-dsc, unsigned-changes)
[18:57] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[19:00] <clivejo> kdesudo dolphin is the safe way?
[19:00] <ahoneybun> I made the damn pbuilder already
[19:02] <yofel> clivejo: uhm, for what...? or why would you want to do that?
[19:03] <clivejo> want to copy my home folder
[19:04] <clivejo> see if kontact can handle it
[19:05] <ahoneybun> yofel: I broke something
[19:05] <yofel> well, go ahead. But creating a folder that you can write into and not using sudo would be safer
[19:06] <ahoneybun> clivejo: digikam 4.13 is coming soon
[19:06] <clivejo> how would you suggest I transfer a user folder?
[19:07]  * yofel hands ahoneybun the pbuilder-dist manpage
[19:07] <ahoneybun> XD
[19:07] <ahoneybun> yofel: clivejo I had to update the standards version thing in debian/control so you might have to too now
[19:07] <yofel> you can't just use p-d chroots with pbuilder
[19:08] <yofel> not without configuration
[19:08] <yofel> oh that, we don't really care :P
[19:08] <clivejo> ahoneybun: give me a shout when its released, Ill try package it for wily
[19:09] <ahoneybun> 8-30
[19:09] <ahoneybun> so in 2 weeks or so
[19:09] <yofel> the ubuntu policy is stuck at <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:12] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: still here?
[19:12] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:12] <ovidiu-florin> hangout dead?
[19:13] <ahoneybun> I wanted to end it for now
[19:13] <ahoneybun> pbuilder is running thanks to yofel
[19:16] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: it's compiling at least
[19:16] <ahoneybun> so good sign
[19:16] <clivejo> ahoneybun: time to make a coffee and write a novel
[19:16] <ahoneybun> XD
[19:16] <ahoneybun> kill time till something breas
[19:16] <ahoneybun> *breaks
[19:17] <clivejo> Im sure lintian will have something for you to do
[19:17] <ovidiu-florin> it broke
[19:17] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ?
[19:17] <ovidiu-florin> my brain with these Gcompris translations
[19:18] <ahoneybun> XD
[19:19] <ahoneybun> lintian hates us all
[19:19] <ahoneybun> so picky
[19:19] <ahoneybun> like my ex-gf XD
[19:20] <clivejo> but she doesnt even know me!
[19:21] <ahoneybun> XDX D
[19:22] <yofel> yeah, compiling, but a couple things are not found (probably too old), so it won't actually pass the binary step
[19:32] <valorie> so who is gonna package plasma-addons?
[19:32] <clivejo> aaron
[19:32] <ahoneybun> it seems that Riddell has it kinda done
[19:33] <ahoneybun> what?
[19:33]  * valorie will DCC a delicious cup of coldbrewed coffee to that wonderful person
[19:33]  * ahoneybun likes coffee
[19:33] <clivejo> anyone suggest a home folder backup tool for kubuntu?
[19:33] <valorie> !info plasma-addons
[19:33] <valorie> clivejo: rsync
[19:33] <clivejo> gui?
[19:34] <clivejo> with options to drop some folders
[19:34] <valorie> we used to have lucky backup which was a gui for it
[19:34] <clivejo> dont need internet cache, downlands etc
[19:34] <valorie> right
[19:35] <valorie> of course you can make excludes for rsync
[19:35] <clivejo> valorie: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:5.3.95-0ubuntu1
[19:36] <clivejo> in proposed aparently
[19:36] <valorie> cool
[19:36] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: how do I quit that shell? without disturbing you?
[19:36] <valorie> thank you Riddell
[19:36] <yofel> ahoneybun: F6
[19:36] <yofel> erm, ovidiu-florin ^
[19:36] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: thank you
[19:36] <valorie> clivejo: I have a doc of rsync excludes, but I just copy the folders I want
[19:37] <valorie> otoh I want to script it
[19:37]  * ovidiu-florin is off to bed
[19:37] <ahoneybun> so it is done clivejo?
[19:37] <valorie> I can send you the text doc if you are interested
[19:37]  * ahoneybun already grabed the source
[19:38] <clivejo> I just want something quick to make an archive of my current home directory and extract it into my VM
[19:38] <clivejo> minus the big useless files
[19:38] <valorie> right, cache, trash, ISOs, etc.
[19:38] <clivejo> yup
[19:39]  * ahoneybun goes outside for a few
[19:39] <clivejo> I want to test apps 15.07.90 on wily
[19:40] <valorie> sent
[19:40] <clivejo> gmail?
[19:40] <valorie> yes
[19:40] <valorie> just a 1k text file
[19:41] <clivejo> I wonder should I just do a regular remote backup and add the ppa into my main system :/
[19:43] <clivejo> gonna have to add to that valorie, I have VMs and other rubbish in my home
[19:45] <clivejo> I think thats a job for tomorrow
[19:45] <clivejo> too tired right now
[19:47] <valorie> that's a project for a few weeks from now for me
[19:47] <valorie> right now, planning on heading north for a few days as my husband finishes his hike
[19:47] <valorie> dropping him off at Rainy Pass tomorrow, then picking him up in Canada a few days later
[19:48] <clivejo> yofel: can you retry kopete?
[19:48] <yofel> yes, in a bit
[19:48] <clivejo> I think its deps are resolved now
[19:49] <yofel> ah, simple retry, done
[19:50] <clivejo> thanks :)
[19:56] <soee_> updates broken a bit in Wily :)
[19:56] <clivejo> soee_: how so?
[19:57] <soee_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12111326/
[19:58] <clivejo> eak
[19:58] <clivejo> what did you do ?!?
[19:58] <soee_> nothing :)
[19:58] <soee_> this how normal updates look like now
[19:58] <soee_> yofel: is it due to this hcc transition ?
[19:58] <soee_> *gcc
[19:59] <clivejo> not on my box!
[19:59] <yofel> possibly
[19:59] <clivejo> but then I do have proposed and a few ppa's added in for good luck
[20:00] <soee_> ah i do not have proposed
[20:00] <soee_> but last time i tried them, result was similar
[20:00] <yofel> let me try to update
[20:01] <yofel> yeah, about the same here
[20:01] <yofel> probably the conflict between boost and kdepim
[20:01] <soee_> ok so good to know im not alone :)
[20:01] <clivejo> I dislike boost
[20:02] <soee_> what boost does ?
[20:02] <clivejo> makes sitter laugh
[20:03] <valorie> so is this a good upgrade to do?
[20:03] <valorie> I get the same as the paste in my little travel netbook
[20:03] <valorie> no proposed
[20:04] <clivejo> things might break :/
[20:04] <soee_> well not good :)
[20:04] <clivejo> but you risk that just using wily at the moment
[20:04] <valorie> I have updates and backports however
[20:05] <soee_> backports are empt in wily i think
[20:05] <valorie> eh, I'll wait until I return from this trip then
[20:05] <clivejo> ooo whats in the wily backports
[20:05] <clivejo> thats would be interesting
[20:05] <valorie> 312 upgraded, 64 newly installed, 54 to remove and 0 not upgraded sounds pretty good though
[20:06] <soee_> there cant be anything, there is no way to backport something to wily :)
[20:06] <yofel> valorie: you'll mostly loose kdepim
[20:07] <yofel> clivejo: it's just there so apt doesn't complain about not existing files
[20:09] <valorie> pim didn't like my gmail yet
[20:09] <valorie> soee_: I didn't add it, it was just there
[20:09] <valorie> I think I'll run the upgrade for just to see
[20:09] <valorie> outside.....
[20:09] <soee_> yofel: "wily testers needed for new kdepim. talk to sitter or yofel"
[20:10] <soee_> where is this new kdepim ?
[20:10] <clivejo> soee_: staging
[20:10] <yofel> where is that from?
[20:10] <soee_> yofel: check topic
[20:10] <yofel> but yeah, probably in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications
[20:10] <yofel> ah lol
[20:10] <yofel> yeah, it's in there
[20:10] <clivejo> soee_: be careful!
[20:11] <yofel> do I add it, do I not add it, do I add it, do I not add it, do I add it...
[20:11] <clivejo> Ive added it in a VM, but its a clean environment
[20:11] <clivejo> really needs tested with live data!
[20:11] <yofel> screw it, what could possibly go wrong XD
[20:12] <clivejo> but Im scared!
[20:12] <yofel> ok, down to 124 to be removed
[20:13] <yofel> mostly libs and the couple broken things like kopete and kget
[20:14] <yofel> hm, libkface looks like just gcc-internal stuff missing
[20:15] <clivejo> yofel: Im looking at kmouth, in list-missing Im getting - -./usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/phrase.png
[20:15] <yofel> someone needs to donate new hardware to debian, moszumanska is soo slow -.-
[20:17] <soee_> moszumanska ?
[20:17] <yofel> the hostname of git.debian.org
[20:17] <soee_> and git is slow ?
[20:18] <yofel> the server is slow, so cloning takes ages :/
[20:18] <yofel> one reason why sitter wants to move the CI repos somewhere else
[20:19] <clivejo> is amazon cloud too expensive?
[20:19] <soee_> there is no one willing to sponsor some server ?
[20:19] <yofel> well, we're on git.debian.org *intentionally* right now
[20:19] <yofel> but harald isn't really happy about it for the CI
[20:20] <yofel> otherwise we could just go and move back to launchpad now
[20:21] <soee_> talk to https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing/
[20:21] <soee_> they might sponsor some droplets for you
[20:21] <yofel> that's what he was looking for regarding build servers for KDE Neon at least
[20:22] <ahoneybun> yofel: XD
[20:23] <yofel> clivejo: wrt. kmouth, the file is gone, that's why dh_install complains
[20:24] <clivejo> yofel: yes, but when I build it myself, they appear to have moved
[20:24] <clivejo> -- Installing: /tmp/buildd/kmouth-15.07.90/debian/tmp/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/./phrase.png
[20:24] <yofel> then fix the install file
[20:24] <clivejo> I did
[20:24] <clivejo> but something weird is going on
[20:24] <clivejo> Ive staged the files and commited
[20:25] <clivejo> now there is problems in pbuilder with hashes
[20:25] <ahoneybun> yofel: https://paste.kde.org/pkmotjhwm
[20:26] <clivejo> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-proposed/main/i18n/Translation-en  Hash Sum mismatch
[20:26] <yofel> lolwhat
[20:26] <yofel> /tmp/ccn6GacI.s: Fatal error: can't write CMakeFiles/digikam.dir/date/monthwidget.cpp.o: No space left on device
[20:26] <ahoneybun> yea i know lol
[20:26] <clivejo> did I mention digikam is big :P
[20:27] <clivejo> are you using mnt on the ec?
[20:27] <yofel> that should work
[20:27] <ahoneybun> so is that harddrive
[20:27] <yofel> *now* we are
[20:28] <clivejo> time for another coffee ahoneybun
[20:29] <ahoneybun> damn Fallout Shelter
[20:34]  * ahoneybun starts to dislike pbuilder
[20:35] <clivejo> add-apt
[20:36] <yofel> it's useful to check the build, but as we already know that the build will fail, we might as well use a regular chroot
[20:36] <yofel> esp. as that ec2 looks pretty much not set up for development
[20:37] <clivejo> I find pbuilder good on my own system
[20:37] <yofel> yeah, if it's properly set up ;)
[20:37] <clivejo> yofel: yes, thats the key
[20:38] <clivejo> mine still isnt updating on its own
[20:38] <clivejo> have to manually log in and update
[20:39] <clivejo> yofel: what does list missing mean?
[20:39] <yofel> list missing files
[20:39] <clivejo> they are mentioned in the install file, but havent been built?
[20:39] <yofel> i.e. list files that are not put into any binary package
[20:40] <yofel> no, files that are *not* in an install file
[20:40]  * clivejo cries, but they are in it
[20:41] <yofel> if dh_install *fails* on them, that means that they're in an install file but don't actually exist
[20:43] <clivejo> could it be picking up a git file or something?
[20:43] <yofel> dunno, what's the actual error?
[20:44] <yofel> but from git, no
[20:44] <clivejo> it says that a files I have in the install file arent being installed
[20:44] <yofel> right, that can happen, now you have to find out why
[20:45] <yofel> (upstream removed them, not being built because of missing dep, they moved elsewhere, ...)
[20:46] <clivejo> Im trying a git commit and retrying
[20:49] <clivejo> it built!
[20:50] <clivejo> yofel: please review and push - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12112103/
[20:53] <yofel> up
[20:53] <clivejo> :) thanking you kindly
[20:56] <yofel> clivejo: one thing about akonadi-serach, you changed one dep to = source:version, please use >= in that case. It doesn't matter for us, but in debian, the binary version can be higher than the source version
[20:57] <clivejo> oh, how does it affect them?
[20:57] <clivejo> I mean how can a binary be higher than the source?
[20:58] <yofel> they do binary-only rebuilds for library transitions. That way you can have a 5.4-1 source, and a 5.4-1+b1 binary
[20:58] <clivejo> oh
[20:59] <clivejo> btw did you retry kopete?
[21:00] <clivejo> seems to be failing on Depends: kdepim-dev and libkleo4
[21:00] <yofel> I did, need to try this in pbuilder, that error is nonsense
[21:00] <clivejo> was going to do the same thing
[21:01] <yofel> actually, you do that. I need to get started on marble
[21:01] <clivejo> ok
[21:09] <clivejo> yofel: is there any way to search a ppa for a file like we can do in the main archives?
[21:09] <yofel> no
[21:09] <clivejo> that is very annoying!
[21:10] <yofel> feel free to add yourself to bug 335161
[21:32] <ahoneybun> looks like it is finishing up
[21:36] <ahoneybun> no error messages that I can see
[21:37] <yofel> hm, it did actually build, right
[21:37]  * yofel hits marble
[21:37] <yofel> that'll take hours to do properly -.-
[21:37] <ahoneybun> so LP will take it yofel?
[21:38] <yofel> it should
[21:38] <ahoneybun> I'll try
[21:40] <ahoneybun> uploaded so now to wait
[21:41] <clivejo> and wait, and wait some more
[21:42] <ahoneybun> so LP accepted it
[21:42] <ahoneybun> step 1
[21:46] <clivejo> yofel: kopete has missing symbols :/
[21:47] <yofel> whee
[21:47] <clivejo> does pbuilder keep the buildlog?
[21:48] <yofel> dunno if it does by default, I use:
[21:48] <yofel> PKGNAME_LOGFILE_EXTENTION="_$(dpkg --print-architecture).build"
[21:48] <yofel> PKGNAME_LOGFILE=yes
[21:49] <clivejo> can I safely fix this package?
[21:49] <yofel> not if it's called libkopete4
[21:50] <clivejo> it is indeed
[21:53] <yofel> lets see if I can build marble 15.08.0 with the rest being 15.07.90
[21:55] <clivejo> yofel: please push this patch - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12113609/
[21:55] <clivejo> just updates the control to 3.9.6 and fixes the watch file
[21:56] <clivejo> I dont know how to do a lib transition
[21:57] <clivejo> but a rebuild on LP might help someone who does
[21:57] <clivejo> need to reboot brb
[21:58] <yofel> CMake Error: The source directory "/tmp/buildd/marble-15.08.0/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/-qt5-22" does not exist.
[21:58] <yofel> great, now I can debug GNU Make
[22:03] <clivejo> hummm
[22:03] <clivejo> somethings up with kwallet
[22:05] <clivejo> why does it want to know my password over and over
[22:07] <ahoneybun> and it built clivejo :)
[22:07] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-vivid/+packages
[22:07] <clivejo> nice one :)
[22:07] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-vivid/+build/7809587
[22:07] <ahoneybun> yep thanks to yofel
[22:08] <ahoneybun> of course
[22:08]  * yofel builds marble... again... and now twice...
[22:09]  * ahoneybun thinks clivejo should be moved up one on his belt
[22:10]  * clivejo thinks clivejo has been very stupid
[22:10] <ahoneybun> I miss the terminal widget
[22:10]  * ahoneybun builds Android now
[22:10] <clivejo> kontact is going crazy
[22:10] <clivejo> :/
[22:12] <clivejo> anyone noticing firefox is crashing a lot with flash?
[22:13] <yofel> not for me, although I lately use chrome for flash
[22:15] <clivejo> the chrome flash doesnt have drm
[22:15] <clivejo> so I cant use it for catch up tv
[22:16] <clivejo> where can I get help on kwallet?
[22:18] <clivejo> and report bugs in kontact
[22:19] <yofel> report bugs on kontact: bugs.kde.org
[22:19] <yofel> do mention that you're using the kf5 version
[22:19] <clivejo> its lost all my RSS feeds
[22:19] <clivejo> reset to default
[22:22] <clivejo> do I need a separate login for the bugs portal?
[22:28] <clivejo> yofel: what version is it.  The about says 4.81 beta
[22:31] <yofel> clivejo: I would include that and the package version
[22:31] <yofel> not sure what exactly sitter used
[22:32] <ahoneybun> soee_ i need someone to test the kubuntu-settings
[22:36] <valorie> terminal widget? why not yakuake?
[22:36] <valorie> <3
[22:37] <valorie> so my wily netbook upgrade worked fine, although restart or shutdown did not
[22:37] <valorie> sudo restart didn't work either
[22:37] <valorie> "could not connect to Upstart"
[22:38] <valorie> someone said earlier that the shutdown not working from the plasma menu was not reported upstream -- what should I report that against?
[22:40] <ahoneybun> Please test my kubuntu-settings
[22:53] <mparillo> valorie: That was me, and it was when I ran my updates this morning. I sudo poweroff and then I re-started, and could use the plasma menu just fine.
[22:54] <valorie> now it works to restart or shutdown?
[22:54] <mparillo> I assumed that applying the updates removed something that enabled Leave > Shut down
[22:54]  * valorie tries
[22:54] <mparillo> Now it works. I can try again.
[22:55] <valorie> weeee
[22:55] <valorie> yes, it does work
[22:55] <valorie> less work for me! no bug to file!
[22:55] <valorie> \0/
[22:55] <mparillo> So this is not a normal user flow, and since it did not persist, I did not file a bug (plus I did nothink I knew the details to file a meaningful bug anyway).
[22:57] <mparillo> Off to flip the chicken breasts on the grill
[23:07] <valorie> I didn't realize it didn't work before, because I normally just shut the lid, and hibernate or sleep or whatever Just Works


[19:52] <Cam_> Hey everyone
[19:53] <Cam_> curious to know what locations are being worked on in the USA right now?