[00:00] <wgrant> luke-jr: You want to replay the revisions from each incompatible branch onto the canonical history, mapping file IDs.
[00:01] <luke-jr> that would be ugly. :/
[00:01] <luke-jr> can't just sed the branch? :p
[00:01] <wgrant> It would be ugly. But a lot less ugly than maintaining incompatible branches or your own aliasable repository format.
[00:01] <wgrant> It is a one-time cost.
[00:02] <luke-jr> ok, how about pasting on missing history?
[00:02] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[00:05] <luke-jr> bzr-svn only got the last N revisions of the history
[00:05] <luke-jr> we need to restore the full history too
[00:06] <wgrant> Do any of the bzr branches have the full history?
[00:06] <luke-jr> no
[00:07] <luke-jr> except the prototype ones I'm making now with cvsps-import
[00:07] <wgrant> Why didn't bzr-svn catch it all?
[00:07] <luke-jr> it doesn't follow hierarchial changes
[00:08] <luke-jr> after moving to Subversion from CVS, we rearranged the repository structure to be nicer
[00:09] <wgrant> Are the old CVS and Subversion repos no longer in use?
[00:09] <luke-jr> the Subversion one is, but not for the branches in Bazaar right now
[00:10] <wgrant> Even so, that's fairly inconvenient as it means compatibility has to be maintained somehow.
[00:10] <luke-jr> not really
[00:11] <wgrant> So, what I would do:
[00:12] <wgrant>  - Somehow get a consistent and complete copy of the history into a bzr branch.
[00:12] <wgrant>  - Hack rebase so it maps the file IDs (as in the bug).
[00:13] <wgrant>  - Rebase all of the branches on top of the new history.
[00:13] <luke-jr> can I get cvsps-import to use a file-id file?
[00:13] <wgrant> (or some prefix of the new history)
[00:13] <wgrant> I don't know.
[00:14] <luke-jr> can current-trunk-revision-2 be made to sit cleanly on top of a revision N?
[00:15] <wgrant> "current-trunk-revision-2"?
[00:15] <TheMusicGuy> I'm trying to get a very simple installation of bzr onto my shared web host. I don't have root access, but all I need to be able to do is list files in a repo.
[00:16] <TheMusicGuy> I only have FTP access to the host; no telnet, ssh, etc.
[00:16] <TheMusicGuy> How can I do it?
[00:16] <wgrant> TheMusicGuy: Why do you want bzr on there? You don't actually need bzr on the server just to host a branch.
[00:17] <TheMusicGuy> because webbzr needs it
[00:17] <TheMusicGuy> I want to be able to browse branches with a web interface
[00:18] <wgrant> Ah.
[00:19] <mathepic> Any reason you can't use LaunchPad?
[00:19] <TheMusicGuy> its not for a project. Its for homework.
[00:20] <wgrant> Trying to get a web interface like that up on a shared host with only FTP access sounds like more trouble than it's worth.
[00:20] <TheMusicGuy> I use bzr and my personal web host for backing up school work.
[00:20] <wgrant> Although it is more than likely doable.
[00:21] <TheMusicGuy> sorry, I didn't see your last post
[00:21] <TheMusicGuy> webbzr seems like it would work, but I need to have a bzr install on there somewhere
[00:21] <wgrant> Do you really need webbzr?
[00:22] <TheMusicGuy> that looked like the simplest solution. Its just three files, only one of which is actually a PHP file. Configuration is as simple as changing a few lines in the top of the script.
[00:24] <mathepic> For three files, I really doubt you need a web interface
[00:24] <mathepic> Oh
[00:24] <mathepic> webbzr not your project
[00:24] <mathepic> Nevermind, I misunderstood.
[00:24] <mathepic> How big is your project/homework?
[00:25] <TheMusicGuy> pretty big.
[00:25] <TheMusicGuy> Can't I just upload an install of bzr into some directory on my server and tell webbzr to use that?
[00:26] <TheMusicGuy> I don't need to make any changes or create any files from the web interface.
[00:26] <TheMusicGuy> read-only is fine.
[00:26] <mathepic> Where can I find the source of webbzr
[00:27] <TheMusicGuy> http://bazaar.enseed.com/app/webbzr/
[00:28] <mathepic> Why exactly do you need a web interface anyway
[00:29] <TheMusicGuy> so I can access the repo from workstations that don't have bzr installed while still using bzr
[00:40] <RenatoSilva> btw, hg's web ui has an interesting feature, you can donwload a whole tree using a single link where you specify a revision/tag, loggerhead could have the same thing :)
[00:41] <RenatoSilva> I mean, the tree is packaged as .zip or so
[00:45] <quidnunc> Stupid question: How do I switch to the last commit with a given nick (branch?)
[00:45] <quidnunc> ?
[00:46] <loxs> is there some way to check what percentage of the code is contributed by each developer?
[00:46] <mathepic> I just saw that
[00:46] <mathepic> somewhere
[00:46] <mathepic> just looking around Synaptic
[00:46] <mathepic> This might do it
[00:46] <mathepic> bzr-stats
[00:46] <mathepic> "This is a simple plugin for Bazaar that can list the contributors to a
[00:46] <mathepic> branch and what they worked on."
[00:47] <mathepic> I don't know if it does percents though
[00:47] <loxs> thanks
[00:47] <james_w> I don't think that works by line if that is what you are looking for
[00:47] <james_w> though perhaps it has a mode for that
[00:48] <mathepic> I don't understand why Canonical never updated the bzr in the Ubuntu repository
[00:49] <mathepic> You have to use the bzr in the PPA for 2a (and thus LaunchPad)
[00:49] <wgrant> mathepic: Launchpad doesn't force you to use 2a.
[00:50] <wgrant> mathepic: And the bzr team can't push inappropriate updates into Ubuntu releases just because both have Canonical involvement.
[00:50] <wgrant> Ubuntu has a strict stable release update policy.
[00:52] <TheMusicGuy> Ah, nevermind. I just figured out that the filesystem layout of my host won't work for webbzr. I'll have to rework it before I can do this...
[00:53] <wgrant> mathepic: bzr's new (and IMO less insane) release schedule should be a bit nicer to distros.
[00:54] <mathepic> I just took a look at the policy
[00:54] <mathepic> Ugh
[00:54] <wgrant> It is necessary.
[01:09] <lifeless> wgrant: weeeel
[01:09] <lifeless> wgrant: it is what is
[01:10] <wgrant> lifeless: That much is clear.
[01:11] <wgrant> lifeless: (what are we talking about? the SRU policy?)
[01:53] <lifeless> wgrant: yes
[02:05] <wgrant> lifeless: I'm sure you know the disasters that have come about.
[02:05] <wgrant> But it is perhaps overly strict for less core components.
[02:06] <wgrant> Although it would be particularly foolish to ever SRU 2.0.0, because of the default format change.
[02:15] <lifeless> wgrant: I'd call it tricky rather than foolish
[02:15] <lifeless> wgrant: 'needs to be one with vare'
[02:16] <wgrant> lifeless: I don't want my Jaunty system to one day start creating incompatible repositories.
[02:17] <lifeless> it does that right now ;)
[02:17] <wgrant> Does it?
[02:17] <lifeless> yes, it will be making pack-0.92, which can't pull in a growing number of projects
[02:17] <lifeless> at some point the fraction will pass 50%
[02:18] <lifeless> but we could do 2.0.0 with a plugin for the default back, or other such techniques
[02:18] <wgrant> Pulling an existing branch into a new branch doesn't seem like a very common case.
[02:18] <lifeless> regardless, I think the concept of a 2.0.0  SRU is not foolish
[02:18] <lifeless> wgrant: you said repository
[02:18] <wgrant> lifeless: Shh.
[02:18] <wgrant> 2.0.0-sans-default-change would be nice, but I can't really see it happening.
[02:19] <lifeless> wgrant: all the upstream code imports are going to be moved to 2a
[02:19] <lifeless> the ubuntu branches are 2a
[02:20] <wgrant> I know.
[02:48] <jelmer> johnf: hi
[05:18] <luke-jr> Does anyone have the 'fileid' or 'graft' plugins mentioned at the end of http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrPlugins ?
[05:37] <wgrant> luke-jr: Those links have them...
[05:37] <wgrant> Oh, wow, they are old.
[05:37] <wgrant> A weave repo!
[09:47] <luke-jr> wgrant: those links are empty and "unauthorized"
[10:03] <wgrant> luke-jr: Not quite - try checking them out with bzr
[13:30] <Zand3r> Hello all... Does anyone have a URL to hand where someone has documented their usage of qbzr-eclipse? I've
[13:32] <mathepic> I've never even heard of qbzr-eclipse
[13:33] <Zand3r> mathepic: Not that you are necessarily interested but this is what I am 'trying' to use http://bazaar-vcs.org/QBzrEclipse
[13:35] <Zand3r> I'm evaluating bzr for our project and the Bazaar Explorer gui seems great and makes sense but we use an Eclipse based IDE for microcontroller code and I just can't see what the workflow should be between bzr and Eclipse.
[13:36] <mathepic> I don't use eclipse, but I get along just fine switching between my editor and the terminal
[13:36] <mathepic> I tried bzr-eclipse when I was using eclipse and it wasn't very good
[13:37] <mathepic> I just took a look at the page for qbzr-eclipse
[13:37] <mathepic> Scrolled down
[13:38] <mathepic> Found a link to this bug
[13:38] <mathepic> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr-eclipse/+bug/121936
[13:38] <mathepic> Yep, thats the same one I just posted
[13:38] <mathepic> Oh wait, that one was for bzr-eclipse
[13:39] <Zand3r> Yes... I had seen that which is why I opted to try qbzr-eclipse which doesn't seem to have the same issues documented (presumably because it uses the more standard qbzr gui widgets)
[13:40] <mathepic> I never had a problem pushing with bzr-eclipse when I used it
[13:40] <mathepic> It just didn't have all the commands
[13:40] <mathepic> And was super slow
[13:40] <Zand3r> My problem seems to stem from the fact that using a standard text editor I could just work with files in whatever directory (branch) I want but in Eclipse when I branch I'd have to re-import the project directory again each time which doesn;t seem like a seemless workflow.
[13:42] <Zand3r> Maybe its my lack of experience with VCSs in general but there seems to be a conflict between bzr which has a directory per branch and eclipse which expects a single directory per project and has no way to easily switch that project view toa different directory (branch)
[13:42] <mathepic> Can't you just refresh the directory in Eclipse?
[13:43] <mathepic> Project = Branch in general
[13:43] <mathepic> Do you need more than one Branch?
[13:44] <Zand3r> Say I have a project called 'Project' and I go to bzr explorer and create a branch called 'Project-Feature'.... bzr explorer creates a new directory for that new branch but the Eclipse project is still pointing at the original directory.
[13:44] <mathepic> Can Bzr Explorer turn an existing project into a branch
[13:44] <mathepic> I'm not sure
[13:44] <mathepic> I don't use it
[13:44] <mathepic> Go to terminal, go to the directory of the project
[13:45] <mathepic> And use the command "bzr init"
[13:45] <mathepic> It will turn your project into a branch
[13:45] <mathepic> Then use "bzr ignore ...." for files you want to be ignored
[13:45] <mathepic> then "bzr add" to add the rest
[13:45] <mathepic> And its set up
[13:47] <Zand3r> OK.. but just so I understand, if you were to then branch from that (to work on a new feature without immediately affecting the main/original branch) then what would you do? I 'think' branching will create a new directory that the Eclipse project will not be pointed to - yes?
[13:48] <mathepic> You probably wouldn't want two branches in the same project
[13:48] <mathepic> Just create a new project for the second branch
[13:51] <dorins> Zand3r: you could set up an eclipse workspace for a lightweight checkout and then bind that checkout to different branches using 'bzr switch'
[13:52] <dorins> I was considering this workflow at some point, I think
[13:53] <Zand3r> hmm... ahh... so I just understood what mathepic is suggesting I think.... using the terminal (or bazaar explorer) I could branch the project which would create a new directory and then import that into Eclipse as a new project, work on it.... then using the terminal (or bazaar explorer again) merge the tested changes into the original project at which time i should be able to 'refresh' the project in Eclipse which will cause it to update.
[13:54] <mathepic> You don't have to create a new directory to branch
[13:54] <mathepic> You can use the existing directory, which happens to be the directory of your project
[13:54] <mathepic> Oh wait
[13:55] <mathepic> For the first step you could either branch from anotther branch or you could use an existing local project
[13:55] <mathepic> Depending on whether the branch already exists somewhere
[13:55] <Zand3r> dorins: Thank you - not ignoring what you have suggested, am looking for details of lightweight checkouts
[13:55] <dorins> this might help: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/reusing_a_checkout.html
[14:00] <mathepic> I've never dealt with those - Is that basically having multiple branches in one directory and being able to switch between which ones you are using
[14:01] <mathepic> It says there are no local commits; that is a signifigant disadvantage.
[14:05] <Zand3r> dorins: Thanks... I will run through the lightweight checkout workflow to familiarise myself with it... it looks like it would solve the issue of working across multiple branches without having to manually import each one into Eclipse as a new project (I could just refresh the one project after switching) but as mathepic suggests there does appear to be several disadvantages associated with that approach (including the fact that I'd have to make sur
[14:05] <Zand3r> committed work on a branch before switching to another branch)
[14:07] <mathepic> It looks like it takes away the whole distributed side
[14:09] <dorins_> mathepic: the branches can be local themselves, each in it's own directory. But the working tree is a lightweight checkout that you bint to any of the branches as you work on them. This way you can share a single eclipse workspace for all branches.
[14:10] <dorins_> arr,  wifi on linux is still causing me greef
[14:10] <dorins_> s/greef/grief
[14:17] <Zand3r> ok... well I've realised that Eclipse can not import projects (branches) that are already in the Eclipse workspace so it seems that branching, etc. needs to take place outside of the Eclipse workspace in which case dorins' lightweight checkout approach might work best in the context of using Eclipse (keeping in mind that I'm [a] new to all this and [b] haven't run through and actually tried it yet)
[14:18] <Zand3r> Unless i'm totally misunderstanding how to use qbzr-eclipse which does add a 'branch' option to the Eclipse IDE but doesn't seem to then let me use the branch it creates.
[14:19] <Zand3r> Thanks for the help both of you - I do really appreciate it - I'll continue to work through this
[19:10] <lifeless> moin moin
[19:42] <itistoday> how does the bzr-git plugin work?
[19:42] <itistoday> can't find any docs on it
[19:47] <lifeless> itistoday: do you mean 'as a user how do I use it' or 'what does the code do' ?
[19:48] <itistoday> lifeless: the former
[19:48] <itistoday> sorry for not being more specific
[19:48] <lifeless> have you installed it?
[19:48] <itistoday> yeah i think so
[19:48] <lifeless> itistoday: nothing to apologise for, I just want to answer the right question :)
[19:49] <lifeless> ok, 'bzr plugins' should list 'git' if you've installed it
[19:49] <itistoday> yeah it's there
[19:49] <lifeless> cool
[19:49] <lifeless> so, generally you  can just give git:// or git+ssh:// urls to bzr now
[19:50] <itistoday> and then use bzr with it?
[19:50] <lifeless> there is a new command to do bulk imports from git I think, 'bzr help git' should give some info on that, or perhaps 'bzr help commands | grep git'
[19:50] <lifeless> itistoday: yes
[19:50] <lifeless> itistoday: it aims to be transparent
[19:50] <itistoday> hmm... will git still work?
[19:50] <lifeless> yes
[19:50] <itistoday> ah that's good to konw
[19:51] <itistoday> what if i've already imported something with git?
[19:51] <itistoday> do i have to re-check it out with bzr?
[19:52] <lifeless> itistoday: to use it with bzr? its recommended I think
[19:52] <lifeless> you can just cd to the git tree and run commands like 'bzr diff' 'bzr commit' etc
[19:52] <lifeless> but I don't think that 'bzr ignore <path>' will do the right thing yet ;)
[19:53] <itistoday> lifeless: thanks, i'll give it a shot, seems like i need to install dulwich, will do that now
[19:57] <itistoday> well neat
[19:57] <itistoday> it seems to work like magic
[19:57] <itistoday> i'm so happy i can stay in bzr land
[19:58] <lifeless> :)
[19:58] <fullermd_> Gehm's Corollary   :p
[19:58] <itistoday> there's a bzr-hg too :-)
[19:59] <itistoday> hey cool, bzr 2.0 has been released, need to get that
[20:15] <itistoday> how do i install dulwich, or any other plugin, and make sure that it only installs into ~/.bazaar?
[20:24] <itistoday> doesn't seem to be a way... at least for dulwich
[20:26] <LarstiQ> dulwich is more a support library than a plugin
[20:26] <LarstiQ> itistoday: it's a python libgit
[20:27] <itistoday> ah
[20:27] <itistoday> bzr-hg seemed to work nicely though
[20:27] <itistoday> guess they work differently
[20:31] <LarstiQ> hg itself is written in python, no need to write an implementation/wrappers for it :)
[20:32] <LarstiQ> itistoday: you'll note that bzr-svn uses subvertpy which wraps libsvn
[20:32] <itistoday> LarstiQ: ah gotcha
[20:33] <itistoday> wonder what came first, hg or bzr
[20:33] <itistoday> they're pretty similar
[20:33] <itistoday> think the hg guys should just team up with bzr ;-)
[20:33] <itistoday> too many vcs' give developers headaches
[20:34] <fullermd_> That's on the schedule for right after the X radeon and radeonhd drivers merge, and MySQL and Postgres combine efforts.
[20:34] <itistoday> hehe
[20:51] <lifeless> itistoday: bzr came first
[20:54] <mathepic> Hg started when that one guy stopped giving free BitKeeper licenses to Linux Kernel devs, right?
[20:54] <mathepic> I have no idea when Bazaar started though
[20:59] <itistoday> lifeless: thanks
[20:59] <lifeless> mathepic: thats when git started; hg started a little earlier than that
[21:00] <mathepic> I thought they both started in response to it
[21:02] <mathepic> Where is your source? I can't find a "reliable" one
[21:02] <lifeless> my memory :)
[21:03] <mathepic> Go fix Wikipedia then :)
[21:06] <lifeless> mpm - the hg author - is the guy to ask
[21:06] <lifeless> I *thought* he started sketching stuff out back in feb that year
[21:11] <RenatoSilva> Someone said here that diff 2.0 2.1 > 1.18 2.0, so what's so new in 2.0 to not justify a 1.19?
[21:15] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: the default format has changed
[21:16] <lifeless> this is a very user visible alteration that we want to make sure people are aware of and take the time to upgrade properly; major releases signal such things
[21:17] <RenatoSilva> if I upgrade to 2.0, will the old branches be converted automatically?
[21:17] <mathepic> No
[21:17] <mathepic> bzr upgrade
[21:18] <RenatoSilva> mathepic: does it work fine? or have you been receiving some trouble reports?
[21:18] <mathepic> I didn't have to
[21:18] <mathepic> run bzr upgrade
[21:18] <mathepic> then bzr check
[21:19] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: what are you really asking
[21:24] <RenatoSilva> lifeless: if upgrading to the new format using bzr upgrage will always work fine
[21:24] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: you should read the upgrade guide
[21:24] <RenatoSilva> ok it's not trivial then, I'll google for that, thanks
[21:27] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: it often is. sometimes its not.
[21:27] <RenatoSilva> ok
[21:37] <itistoday> is there a way that i can check whether two branches are different?
[21:39] <Peng_> itistoday: "bzr missing"?
[21:44] <itistoday> Peng_: thanks, that worked
[21:45] <itistoday> is there anything special i should do to remove a branch?
[21:45] <itistoday> or will just rm'ing it work fine?
[21:45] <itistoday> (it's part of a shared repo)
[21:59] <Peng_> itistoday: Just rm it. If the branch had any unique revisions, they'll still be in the repo, but it's not worth the effort of removing them.
[21:59] <Peng_> Unless you, like, added an ISO.
[22:24] <itistoday> Peng_: thanks


[21:33] <hackwins> guest?
[21:33] <A-t> that's all
[21:33] <jrib> garganeoiii: is your card mentioned in the release notes?
[21:34] <Antioch> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/82135/ :D
[21:34] <DIL> !permissions
[21:34] <garganeoiii> jrib:  hmmm i dont know
[21:34] <p1und3r> hagus: maybe a sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart might shake it up a bit
[21:34] <garganeoiii> how can i check ?
[21:34] <jrib> Antioch: meh, that should work.  Are you sure you want -quiet?
[21:34] <jrib> !notes > garganeoiii
[21:34] <guest3455> jrib: it worked! :-)  thank you
[21:34] <exodus> A-t> did you see the that... about permissions?
[21:34] <embrik> I have accidentially removed networkmanager and am not able to get on the internett - how do I install it again?
[21:34] <Antioch> jrib Im not concerned with the output of cc1, rather I'm concerned with the output of the simulator. Either way the text file is empty.
[21:34] <garganeoiii> okay ill check
[21:34] <hagus> Hm - back to "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart" :(
[21:34] <guest3455> rww it worked. thanks.
[21:35] <A-t> what do u mean exodus?
[21:35] <hackwins> someone with asus eee?
[21:35] <jrib> Antioch: do you get output if you omit the "> test_out.txt"?
[21:35] <usser> embrik, well first you'll have to connect to the internet. are u using wireless or wired?
[21:35] <hackwins> i can help to tunning asus eee
[21:35] <exodus> A-t> !permissions\
[21:35] <DIL> !permissions | A-t
[21:35] <Antioch> jrib with or without > test_out.txt the output comes to the screen
[21:36] <hackwins> i can help to tunning asus eee
[21:36] <jrib> Antioch: then it's probably printing to stderr, you need to redirect stderr
[21:36] <hagus> It came up with "sudo: /etc/init.d/cupsys: command not found". p1und3r :(
[21:36] <ardchoille> nano seems to truncate long lines on screen with a $, is there any way to make it wrap long lines?
[21:36] <A-t> i understand that but u see if i install it if i want to run it i have to do sudo and i rad artical that that's not good to do runing software as root because of security
[21:36] <Anscombe> how can i get fonts like trebuchet ms, tahoma etc on ubuntu?
[21:36] <Antioch> jrib how?
[21:37] <A-t> if i just run 4L-gui
[21:37] <exodus> A-t> visit the link...
[21:37] <jrib> Antioch: 2> instead of >
[21:37] <A-t> it will open but it will not let me burn it on cd
[21:37] <hackwins> help asus eee?
[21:37] <A-t> exodus what link?
[21:37] <usser> Anscombe, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[21:37] <Alonda> Hey all
[21:37] <guest3455> rww can i also make the image file for the wubi unbunto installation bigger without copying it to an extra partition?
[21:38] <exodus> A-t> !permissions
[21:38] <p1und3r> hagus: and the apt-get appears succesful? thats wierd
[21:38] <garganeoiii> jrib:  Thanks alot : my video card seems to be too old and the drivers that 8.10 provides do not support 3d .... But there is something else i would like to ask you
[21:38] <Antioch> jrib it still prints to the screen
[21:38] <p1und3r> hagus: what you rocking x86 8.10?
[21:38] <hackwins> someone can help me  to put password to folders?
[21:38] <hackwins> someone can help me  to put password to folders?
[21:38] <adriano> oi
[21:38] <punkrockguy318> How can I boot the Ubuntu 8.10 live CD off of a macbook?  it is intel based so I should be able to use the x86 disk right?
[21:38] <guest3455> oi adriano
[21:39] <guest3455> tudo bem?
[21:39] <bughunter2> can someone point me to a document describing what's so good about ubuntu? i.e. in what ways is it better than other distros, and in what ways is it worse?
[21:39] <usser> hackwins, no need! just change permissions so that only u can access it
[21:39] <garganeoiii> when i start ubuntu i get status [failed]  on kernel-generic
[21:39] <ubuntu_> hackwins,  right click > change permissions >
[21:39] <adriano> tudo + ou -
[21:39] <exodus> A-t> It sounds like the problem might be related to certain 'perms' you have configured for some files
[21:39] <hackwins> yes i do dat
[21:39] <hagus> i386 Ibex
[21:39] <usser> hackwins, ie chmod -R 700 foldername
[21:39] <adriano> alguem pode me ajuda
[21:39] <jrib> garganeoiii: you need to give the exact error
[21:39] <exodus> !permissions | A-t
[21:39] <jrib> !pt | adriano
[21:39] <hackwins> chmod -x folder is correct?
[21:39] <Alonda> Does anyone know how i can install/compile nVidia Drivers on 8.10?
[21:40] <dietwater> +x
[21:40] <garganeoiii> okay ty for your time and help jrib
[21:40] <jrib> Alonda: system -> administration -> hardware drivers
[21:40] <Antioch> jrib got it, thanks for the help
[21:40] <adriano> ok, o problema é que ñ sei como chegar la
[21:40] <Alonda> jrib: now drivers are listed
[21:40] <jrib> adriano: escreve isto:    /join #ubuntu-br
[21:40] <danub> anyone know where saved files from luvcview get saved to?
[21:40] <hackwins> chmod -x folder is correct?
[21:40] <p1und3r> hagus: output of "ls -al /etc/init.d/cups"?
[21:40] <jrib> Alonda: so install them
[21:40] <danub> i did a man on the application but no output directory is specified
[21:41] <A-t> ok exodus and ubottu but how will i know when i install the software in that article it's saying not to run sudo 4L-gui but if i just run 4L-gui i don't have permision to burn the lable on cd
[21:41] <hackwins> user?
[21:41] <chrisj> how can i install selinux on intrepid and have it working?
[21:41] <tasos_> Allow everybody, please tell me someone who knows if there exists in Linux(ubuntu) a wordprocessor for Mathematics .I tried the writer of openoffice but is too slow for me (I use the "equation" from word in Windows).Also I downloaded the Lyx which is more analytic but I can't print(some settings probably will be need in Lyx).
[21:41] <guest3455> adriano /join #ubuntu-br
[21:41] <jrib> !selinux | chrisj
[21:41] <hackwins> yes or not
[21:41] <bughunter2> chrisj: selinux is overkill for home users
[21:41] <Alonda> jrib: from the nVidai website?
[21:41] <usser> hackwins, ?
[21:41] <Alonda> nVidia*
[21:41] <hackwins> yes
[21:41] <jrib> Alonda: no... from hardware drivers...
[21:41] <usser> hackwins, chmod -R 700 foldername
[21:41] <adriano> ok valeu cara
[21:41] <exodus> A-t maybe you don't have permission to do certain task, maybe you need to change that...
[21:41] <hackwins> thanks
[21:41] <A-t> how
[21:41] <chrisj> bughunter2, who says I want to use it at home?
[21:41] <usser> hackwins, this will take away all the permissions from everybody except the owner
[21:41] <usser> hackwins, which is you
[21:42] <exodus> A-t> dude, the link...
[21:42] <chrisj> jrib, I don't need official support, I'd just like to have it working - and it used to in hardy.
[21:42] <punkrockguy318> How can I run the Ubuntu live cd on an intel-based mac?
[21:42] <hackwins> but i want ..
[21:42] <Anscombe> how do you restart ubuntu, theres a certain way with alt or something. I installed something and need to update, but not restart the laptop
[21:42] <A-t> exodus ok i understand that but i'm running simple labeler from lijghtscribe the same whay and i don't have to run it as root
[21:42] <guntbert> tasos_: there is a very good formula editor in OO (name is formula)
[21:42] <jrib> punkrockguy318: hold down the 'c' key while you boot
[21:42] <hackwins> ocult
[21:43] <hackwins> sorry mi enghlis
[21:43] <Alonda> jrib: their are no drivers listed in hardware, i can't install any..
[21:43] <jrib> Alonda: what card?
[21:43] <punkrockguy318> jrib: i do, and I select the dvd drive and it hangs at a black screen with a blinking '_'
[21:43] <exodus> A-t> idk, sorry. good luck :)
[21:43] <jrib> punkrockguy318: what version of ubuntu?
[21:43] <Alonda> jrib: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
[21:43] <chrisj> Anscombe, what do you mean by "restart but not restart"? Restart the graphical interface (X) only? That latter thing would probably be ctrl + alt + backspace
[21:43] <usser> hackwins, occult?? :) i dont understand
[21:43] <punkrockguy318> 8.10 x86
[21:43] <A-t> what's comman ubuntu user settings for promitions
[21:43] <hackwins> yes
[21:43] <hackwins> exact
[21:43] <hackwins> chmod -x folder is correct?
[21:43] <jrib> punkrockguy318: idk, works for me.  What kind of mac?
[21:44] <punkrockguy318> jrib: macbook
[21:44] <hackwins> somethin better?
[21:44] <BlinkyToon> hackwins, do you mean 'hidden' ?
[21:44] <hagus> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-10-24 11:55 /etc/init.d/cups -> /etc/init.d/cupsys - p1und3r
[21:44] <jrib> punkrockguy318: did you check the md5sum of your iso?
[21:44] <Anscombe> [21:43:16] <chrisj> Anscombe, what do you mean by "restart but not restart"? Restart the graphical interface (X) only? That latter thing would probably be ctrl + alt + backspace - thanks
[21:44] <hackwins> yes hidden
[21:44] <punkrockguy318> jrib: yes the iso is fine and the cd was verifed
[21:44] <jrib> punkrockguy318: how was the cd verified?  The menu showed up before you got the blinking underscore?
[21:45] <BlinkyToon> usser, does that help ? hackwins meant   hidden
[21:45] <punkrockguy318> no
[21:45] <usser> hackwins, if u want to make folder hidden prepend it with "." ie .foldername will be hidden
[21:45] <exodus> A-t> restate the problem, with all the details. be sure to use one line if possible and be as detailed as possible. If someone knows how to help they will respond :)
[21:45] <jrib> punkrockguy318: then?
[21:45] <usser> BlinkyToon, heh
[21:45] <punkrockguy318> jrib: the meenu didnt show up
[21:45] <Maizcul> !ask
[21:45] <hagus> Does the output from init.d/cups look ok, p1und3r?
[21:45] <jrib> punkrockguy318: well how did you verify the cd?
[21:45] <hackwins> yes i know
[21:46] <punkrockguy318> jrib: md5sum
[21:46] <guntbert> !who | hackwins
[21:46] <jrib> punkrockguy318: what speed did you burn at?
[21:46] <hackwins> thanks to everybody
[21:46] <Mastastealth> does anyone know if its possible to change the names of the sinks in pulseaudio?
[21:46] <Jemradary> Is there any known issues with using pciExpress graphic cards with 8.10?
[21:46] <punkrockguy318> verify on burn . . 16
[21:46] <usser> Jemradary, if u have nvidia or ati u should be fine
[21:46] <jrib> punkrockguy318: burn it at 2 and try again.  the cd works fine on my macbook
[21:46] <jrib> punkrockguy318: though... which version of the macbook?
[21:46] <tasos_> guntbert: I know this editor but it has less symbols from "EQUATION".
[21:46] <Alonda> jrib: should I switch back to 8.04? Maybe it'll list the drivers then?..
[21:46] <chfwiggum> tasos_: u can use ooo math or if u like sth nice check out GNU TeXmacs
[21:47] <Jemradary> I am getting a black screen with big white block in the center of screen
[21:47] <chrisj> Mastastealth, I wouldn't count on it.
[21:47] <jrib> Alonda: do the release notes mention your card?
[21:47] <Maizcul> weird, sometimes i touch my mousepad and the desktop switches to the right one when im on the leftg
[21:47] <punkrockguy318> jrib: it's actually not mine, it's a friend of mine that i'm trying to fix (finals are this week)
[21:47] <Maizcul> left^
[21:47] <jrib> Maizcul: side scroll will do that
[21:47] <punkrockguy318> jrib: i'm not sure how to tell without booting into the OS (which is borked and loads to a blue screen and hangs)
[21:47] <p1und3r> hagus: ya wierd im tryin to research it
[21:47] <jrib> punkrockguy318: ok, but what version?  Is it one of the newest ones?
[21:47] <Alonda> jrib: it's an old card, so idk.. i'll check the release notes though
[21:48] <jrib> !notes > Alonda
[21:48] <punkrockguy318> jrib: yeah it's a new laptop (two months old?)
[21:48] <p1und3r> hagus: some guy has the problem, he went to the printers homepage and downloaded the latest drivers and it fixed it apparently.. but that don't sound right to me
[21:48] <hagus> My printer is on a network <IP_ADDRESS> is its location.
[21:48] <idnzor> hi, does anyone know the location of the samba configuration file is, the one which lists the shares you have created when using nautilus. it doesnt appear to be in the file /etc/samba/smb.conf
[21:48] <Alonda> jrib: thanks
[21:48] <jrib> punkrockguy318: http://www.apple.com/macbook/ like that or is it solid white/black?
[21:48] <hagus> I went to HP and downloaded their drivers but it made no difference.
[21:48] <storrgie> anyone have good advice on setting up an ftp, i want to use it to push material up to my webserver
[21:49] <Dr_willis> idnzor,  the ones ive seen get added to the end of that file.. but i rarely use the 'share this directory' feature.. I normally set up Home shares
[21:49] <punkrockguy318> jrib: it's not the new thin one it's sold white
[21:49] <guntbert> tasos_:  have you seen http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/0111GS-GettingStartedWithMath.pdf ?
[21:49] <Flannel> storrgie: use sftp instead (install openssh-server and you're done)
[21:49] <chrisj> Mastastealth, if there's any way to do it, you might find it with the pacmd command line tool.
[21:49] <jrib> punkrockguy318: then the cd will definitely work.  Try burning at 2x and see if you still have the issue
[21:49] <storrgie> Flannel: really?
[21:49] <hagus> I have an L7680
[21:49] <Flannel> storrgie: Yep.  And you won
[21:50] <Flannel> storrgie: won't be sending all your data and stuff (password) over plaintext, etc.
[21:50] <Mastastealth> chrisj: thanks, I'll look around in that
[21:50] <idnzor> dr_willis: thanks, when i grep the file it doesnt return anything so i assume they are not listed in there
[21:50] <Dr_willis> idnzor,  Hmm - you are right. its not in there..  May be some 'include' type file the config adds in.
[21:50] <punkrockguy318> jrib: alright its working for some reason now, thanks for your help.  just out of curiousity, do you know anything about dianosing macs?  i'm not sure if there's something that can be done to this besides backing up and reloading mac osx.  do you have a couple minutes and want to PM?
[21:51] <chrisj> Somebody have a working selinux install in intrepid?
[21:51] <idnzor> Dr_willis hmmm, i will look through and see if there is anything about it in the config file
[21:52] <Dr_willis> idnzor,  i dont see anything.. not srue where its comming from - [perhaps the samba logs will say
[21:52] <Alonda> jrib: the release notes say: will be transitioned on upgrade to the free nv driver instead. but no nv driver has been installed, and i've alreasy run an update?
[21:52] <jrib> punkrockguy318: better to try ##mac or #macosx, I really don't use os x much
[21:52] <punkrockguy318> jrib: thank you, are those freenode channels?
[21:52] <jrib> Alonda: how do you know no nv driver has been installed?
[21:52] <jrib> punkrockguy318: yep
[21:52] <CorpseFeeder> help!! I can't view this page in firefox - http://www.quakeroats.com.au/ - it keep asking me if I want to save an *.shtml file. How do I fix this?
[21:52] <Dr_willis> idnzor,  right now im fightng trying to get to a windows share.. :)
[21:52] <idnzor> Dr_willis: yh its a bit strange really
[21:52] <jrib> CorpseFeeder: do you run that server?
[21:52] <punkrockguy318> jrib: thanks for being so helpful, i'm a mac noob =o
[21:52] <Alonda> jrib: i don't it's just i can't use and effects..
[21:53] <Alonda> any*
[21:53] <Maizcul> !mac
[21:53] <p1und3r> hagus:  can you "sudo gedit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf"?
[21:53] <jrib> Alonda: right, you probably can't use them with the free driver I guess (though I'm not sure)
[21:53] <p1und3r> hagus: erm "gksudo gedit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf" rather
[21:53] <chrisj> Alonda, I think there is a new version of the proprietary nvidia-glx driver by now and this has been "fixed". The nv driver is always installed by default - you should be able to find it in the package manager to check.
[21:54] <Alonda> chrisj: thanks, i'll check that out
[21:54] <hagus> Done that, p1und3r :)
[21:54] <hagus> What now?
[21:54] <lp47> :P
[21:54] <guest3455> rww: I mounted the image and copied some files to the windows part, but I can't delete them in the mounted image of wubi/ubuntu. Delete is not clickable, it#s gray. How can i delete it?
[21:54] <hagus> Do I pastebin it?
[21:54] <lp47> qmm?
[21:54] <qcjn> hi' can it be that ssh got's a time connection, cause my rsync stopped
[21:54] <think_linux> Hello guys, I cant access my synaptic maager anymore...this is what tney tell me: "E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[21:54] <think_linux> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy-security_main_binary-i386_Packages
[21:54] <think_linux> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[21:54] <think_linux> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[21:54] <think_linux> "
[21:54] <FloodBot1> think_linux: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:55] <qcjn> connection timed out
[21:55] <Maizcul> Okay serious WTF!! "Could not open location 'file:///home/ryan' no application is registered as handling this file" I can't open folder?!
[21:55] <CorpseFeeder> jrib: no
[21:55] <chrisj> guest3455, it could be that you do not have sufficient rights to delete the files. Check right click -> properties who the file belongs to.
[21:55] <p1und3r> hagus: under <location /> with deny allow etc do you see that?
[21:55] <cstk421> good evening everyone
[21:55] <franky_> good evening
[21:56] <Maizcul> someone help me?
[21:56] <jrib> Maizcul: right click on a folder in nautilus -> properties -> open with -> select "Open Folder"
[21:56] <sinan> how can i create a virtual serial port over a bluetooth connection?
[21:56] <cstk421> seeking help with intellinuxdrivers...... seems to be only place for my 965 driver and i am unable to use them
[21:56] <p1und3r> hagus: first line under location shud be "Order Deny Allow"
[21:56] <Maizcul> how did i even do that?
[21:56] <chfwiggum> tasos: but u know u get pi by typing %pi in OOo Math? thats not that slow
[21:56] <jrib> Maizcul: it's a bug
[21:56] <Maizcul> nautilus isn't installed ...
[21:56] <p1und3r> hagus: then "Deny From All" after it
[21:56] <Maizcul> apt-get time
[21:57] <jrib> Maizcul: erm, how *did* you do that?
[21:57] <Maizcul> I don't know ...
[21:57] <guest3455> chrisk owner 1000  read and write, but i don't know who 100o is. my login there was andy
[21:57] <Maizcul> I was using synaptic(sp?) to uninstall bluetooth rubbish because my laptop doesn't support it
[21:57] <Maizcul> unless i hit something for naut by mistake
[21:57] <guest3455> chrisj owner 1000  read and write, but i don't know who 100o is. my login there was andy
[21:57] <Maizcul> i haven't rebooted since
[21:57] <A-t> hey guys i got one more question becuase i don't really understand permission and i don't want to mess with it and to mess up my system can i just run application with sudo command and disconnect from internet will i be safe then?
[21:58] <think_linux> hello guys, can anyone tke a look at my prob please,? http://paste.ubuntu.com/82145/
[21:58] <guest3455> chrisj or is it because it#s a mounted image of another isntallation? that from the live cd I never have the legitimation to do so?
[21:58] <Maizcul> !ask
[21:58] <chrisj> guerby, 1000 is usually the id of the first user you create on an ubuntu install - it would usually display the name, so i take it you have deleted the user?
[21:58] <brack10> Trying to install 8.10, the installer stops responding before showing the partition utility. and I get this:
[21:58] <brack10> ubuntu ubiquity: debconf: DbDriver "targetdb": could not open /target/var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[21:58] <brack10> any help?
[21:58] <chrisj> guest3455, yes that will probably be it. How exactly did you mount the image?
[21:59] <hagus> # Restrict access to the server...
[21:59] <hagus> <Location />
[21:59] <hagus>   Order allow,deny
[21:59] <Maizcul> installing nautilus takes a while...

[21:59] <FloodBot1> hagus: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:59] <hagus> oops sorry
[21:59]  * hagus apologises
[22:00] <punkrockguy318> How can I access my documents and items on the desktop on a mac running the live cd?
[22:00] <guest3455> chrisj: deltah@gnewsense:/media/disk/ubuntu/disks$ sudo mount -o loop root.disk /home/deltah/wubi
[22:00] <hagus> murchadh sounds like a Gaelic speaker
[22:00] <cstk421> installed GoS3 and have a dell studio 15 with a intel 965 graphics card but cant install/compile/make the driver. Intel linux drivers.org claims to have the driver i need but i dont know how to use them.... please advise
[22:00] <think_linux> cant use synaptic anymore.....any help?
[22:00] <Maizcul> is it installed~?
[22:00] <Fang> et
[22:00] <Maizcul> Ok folders fixed now, ty :)
[22:01] <usser> cstk421, intel driver is opensource i'd imagine GoS3(whatever it is) if its pretty recent has the driver in the distribution
[22:01] <p1und3r> hagus: do you see anywhere with an IP address range? cause sometimes they're not the right range
[22:01] <jrib> think_linux: you need to provide more details
[22:01] <chrisj> guest3455, try removing the files as root - that should work - or create a new user with user id=1000
[22:01] <Maizcul> sometimes when i touch my mousepad the desktop flips to the righthand one, any ideas why? kinda nnoying when I don't want to swap :P
[22:01] <p1und3r> hagus: like a 10.10.0.* type line
[22:01] <hagus> http://pastebin.com/d4111d257 is the full file  p1und3r :)
[22:01] <jrib> Maizcul: did you see what I told you before?  It's horizontal scroll probably
[22:01] <p1und3r> hagus: groovey..
[22:01] <guest3455> chrisj I thought, using sudo, I am root
[22:02] <think_linux> jrib : http://paste.ubuntu.com/82145/
[22:02] <embrik>  Where does the deb-file end when using the -d option in apt-get install?
[22:02] <jrib> think_linux: the channel, not me
[22:03] <chrisj> guest3455, yes for the particular command you run. Your other applications (like the file manager "nautilus") still run normal. You need to specifically start applications as root if you want to use them with root's rights.
[22:03] <felix> Hello, i ve just installed ubuntu and made a LVM in a crypto container which has /home /var /tmp and swap in it. Now when booting the initramfs doesnt open the crypto container. i tried to create a script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top but that doesnt seem to be executed. what i need is a simple cryptsetup luksOpen and vgscan command. any ideas?
[22:03] <jrib> embrik: if not /var/cache/apt/archives/ then probably current working directory
[22:03] <think_linux> hello guys, i have with synaptic... can anyone tke a look at my prob please,? http://paste.ubuntu.com/82145/
[22:03] <Amer30> can some rad this please http://paste.ubuntu.com/82147/
[22:03] <sharperguy> anyone else noticed that the dictionary will give "doesn't" as a misspelling and you can't add it because it doesn't accept the " 't " properly?
[22:04] <Jemradary> I have a Radeon that came with my dell. screen keeps frezzing and I have to reboot
[22:04] <Jemradary> The screen is black with white box in the center
[22:04] <mattycoze> can anyone tell me why javascript pages take ages to respond on Ubuntu?
[22:05] <Oli``> I need to stress-test a page on our server. Anybody know an app I can install on the server to bombard a given URL with various requests .. or something that spiders around the site until I stop it..
[22:06] <cstk421> anyone know of a GoS3 Support chat? Room?
[22:06] <felix> Oli``: while True; wget $site; done
[22:06] <Alonda> chrisj: I installed nvidia-glx and some other packages, should i be all set now?
[22:06] <felix> Oli``: forgot the do
[22:06] <Oli``> felix: interesting... that'll only get one page, though wont it? And won't it save the output?
[22:06] <chrisj> Alonda, which version of Ubuntu are you running? Hardy (8.04)? Intrepid (8.10)?
[22:06] <Jemradary> Cant get my PCIexpress ati graphic card to work with Ubunto
[22:06] <chrisj> Alonda, and which nvidia card have you got?
[22:07] <felix> Oli``: you can use the -r recursive option, yes it will save the output
[22:07] <Alonda> Intrepid (8.10), nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
[22:08] <Alonda> chrisj: it's quite an old card
[22:09] <Oli``> felix: where does the do go?
[22:09] <chrisj> Alonda, usually Ubuntu's driver manager tool should know which driver to install - did you try  that? System -> Administration -> Drivers (or similar name - I run a localized version)
[22:09] <cstk421> how do i install a driver in Ubuntu ?
[22:09] <ikonia> cstk421: what driver ?
[22:10] <cstk421> intel 965
[22:10] <cstk421> from intellinuxdrivers
[22:10] <ikonia> cstk421: most "drives" are in the kernel as a kernal model
[22:10] <ikonia> cstk421: the video card ?
[22:10] <felix> Oli``: while True; do wget -r $URL; done
[22:10] <Maizcul> hardware drivers
[22:10] <ikonia> Maizcul: no, what won't pickup the intel driver
[22:10] <cstk421> yes the intel 965 video card driver
[22:10] <Oli``> felix: (despite using Ubuntu full-time for over a year, I'm still a complete spack in terminals) thanks!
[22:10] <elad`> Various program make use of the PC speaker, which annoys me to no end. How do I disable it without yanking out the cable, as I still want the speaker when I'm running Windows?
[22:10] <chrisj> cstk421, are you running a recent version of Ubuntu?
[22:10] <cstk421> Gos3
[22:10] <ikonia> cstk421: you shouldn't need a module for that, the xorg intel driver should support it
[22:10] <Alonda> chrisj: System -> Hardware Drivers doesn't show any drivers :(
[22:10] <Maizcul> ikonia: me fail engrish?
[22:11] <ikonia> Maizcul: pardon ?
[22:11] <cstk421> does but only 800X600
[22:11] <ikonia> cstk421: there is a geos support channel
[22:11] <cstk421> where
[22:11] <cstk421> please direct me
[22:11] <ikonia> !geos
[22:11] <DrHalan> hey does anybody know if i can bind to port 40 justl ike that? i wanna write a small webserver
[22:11] <cstk421> thank you
[22:11] <ikonia> ugh, hang on, I'm sure I saw it on the wiki
[22:11] <ikonia> DrHalan: you can bind to what ever you want
[22:12] <chrisj> Alonda, hm that's weird. I think this package is the right one for you: nvidia-glx-71
[22:12] <chrisj> Alonda, but if it isn't Ubuntu might not be able to start the graphical interface - do you know how to use a command line?
[22:12] <Alonda> chrisj: thanks, i'll try that one :)
[22:13] <ikonia> cstk421: do you mean jeos?
[22:13] <ikonia> just to be clear
[22:13] <Alonda> chrisj: yes, not sure about starting/stopping the graphical interface
[22:14] <hagus> Could it be, p1und3r, that I have a webserver set up on /var/www ?
[22:14] <hagus> However, I would expect that to be the default for ubuntu.
[22:14] <Aiu> Dark room theme for 8.04 ?
[22:14] <cstk421> ikonia i mean GoS 3 after rocket 2.0 cloud
[22:14] <elad`> Various program make use of the PC speaker, which annoys me to no end. How do I disable it without yanking out the cable, as I still want the speaker when I'm running Windows?
[22:14] <guest3455> chrisj thank you.  Imanaged to delete the file in command line interface with sudo. because i couldn't get the nautilus or whatever it's name is to start in root mode. In windows you can doing righ click choose to run every program as root, just like sudo but in the GUI. Would be a nice feature for ubuntu for folks like me who are too dumb for command line
[22:14] <chrisj> Alonda, if you use ubuntu (not kubuntu) you can restart the interface using `sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart`
[22:15] <cstk421> and the room does not exist you mentioned
[22:15] <afancy> Hi, i have install the virtualbox in Ubuntu, in the virtualbox, what is the Host key?
[22:15] <ikonia> cstk421: gos is nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:15] <methodmarvel> right control I think afancy
[22:15] <chrisj> guest3455, you might want to suggest this feature on Ubuntu's brainstorm web site: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[22:15] <cstk421> it is built on ubuntu ..... how does it have nothing to do with ubuntu?
[22:16] <ikonia> cstk421: because it is not an ubuntu release/product
[22:16] <enquest> When you write a template Node are all template tags availble in the "def render" ??? and how can I access them?
[22:16] <ikonia> cstk421: therefore nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:16] <Slart> elad`: have you tried the setting in system, preferences, sound.. something like system alert
[22:16] <chrisj> Alonda, if the graphical interface stops working, remove the driver package from the console.
[22:16] <cstk421> there is no support channel for it so i am looking for a method of installing a driver in Ubuntu and that will fix my problem
[22:17] <methodmarvel> what driver?
[22:17] <ikonia> cstk421: contact the gos support people
[22:17] <ikonia> cstk421: please don't ask the ubuntu community to support gos
[22:17] <cstk421> thanks
[22:18] <methodmarvel> gosh - distros are like religion
[22:18] <ikonia> methodmarvel not at all
[22:18] <franky_> what kind of games do you guys play on ubuntu to entertain yourselves?
[22:18] <elad`> Slart, perfect. Thanks!
[22:19] <rafting> whenyou format your harddrive is the info gone forever forever or can you somehow retrieve it?
[22:19] <ikonia> rafting not really
[22:19] <rafting> not really what?
[22:19] <ikonia> not really recoverable
[22:19] <methodmarvel> depends on what format it was, doesn't it?
[22:20] <methodmarvel> ext3 is really really hard to recover from - but ntfs is easier
[22:20] <starenka> hi. anybody know when python3 will be packaged for hardy?
[22:20] <rafting> but why is it recoverable? isnt there a way to slate everything out? its not like it by default would stay ther eright?
[22:20] <doglino> how long does the complete memory test(approximately), I have 512 MB? (sorry about engilsh)
[22:20] <kitche> ext3 is not hard to recover files from
[22:20] <Slart> rafting: a quick format can be undone by simple downloadable tools anyone can use.. if you do it properly it gets harder.. but there are still ways.. but now they cost money.. a lot of money
[22:20] <ardchoille> starenka: I doubt it ever will
[22:21] <Slart> doglino: if it's the memory test I'm thinking of it doesn't stop.. it just repeats
[22:21] <starenka> why? LTS for gods sake, no?
[22:21] <ikonia> starenka: for long term support
[22:21] <niriven> Hi. My 3d rendering is slow. I normally make my own xorg.config in other distrobutions. I enabled the nvidia driver, and im getting 800fps in glxgears instead of the 12,000 i normally get. What is wrong?
[22:21] <ardchoille> starenka: after release, we usually only see bug fixes and security updates
[22:21] <doglino> Slart it's memtest
[22:21] <Slart> rafting: think of it as painting a house.. you can paint it again.. but there will still be ways of finding out the old color.. right?
[22:22] <Slart> doglino: then it doesn't stop
[22:22] <methodmarvel> like it slart - made sense even to me
[22:22] <starenka> ardchoille: don't getting this. talking about python?
[22:22] <doglino> yes it's seems
[22:22] <Slart> rafting: same thing with hard drives.. you can use wipe to write random stuff several times.. it takes a lot of time though
[22:22] <ardchoille> starenka: right, we don't usually see new version of apps after release, just bug fixes and security updates
[22:23] <niriven> Is there a way to check what driver xorg is using?
[22:23] <starenka> ardchoille: oh. so i will have to compile and update myself..  :(
[22:24] <ardchoille> starenka: yes, or upgrade to the next LTS and see if it has 3.0
[22:24] <starenka> ardchoille: hahaha
[22:24] <starenka> ardchoille: kde4? no thanx :)
[22:25] <ardchoille> starenka: kde4 is in kubuntu, not ubuntu
[22:25] <frog_> well, how can i see what was loaded into ram by a process with id x in the last few secons?
[22:25] <starenka> whatever... the python thing doesnt metter if i ask here (usually more ppl) or in #lubuntu
[22:25] <starenka> does it? ;)
[22:26] <kindofabuzz> is there any chat client for linux that allows to view yahoo user cams?
[22:26] <rafting> <Slart: I see but why can't you properly erase everything? I mean it is just electronis not paint...
[22:26] <AlfredHitchcock> z
[22:26] <incidence> I'm using Nvidia's twinview. When I run, example stepmania, it thinks that my resolution is 3120x1050. Any idea how to make that to "1024x768". It thinks that it's the only resolution that is available.
[22:26] <hagus> hm, I wonder if my problem could be related to wired v wireless connection?
[22:27] <dgar1> niriven: try: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[22:27] <hagus> Would wired versus wireless make a difference to CUPS?
[22:27] <Slart> rafting: it's not electronics.. it's magnetics =)
[22:27] <Pelo> kindofabuzz, amsn ? pidgin ? not sure pidgin supports webcam tho,  what do you usualy use in win to do this ?
[22:27] <kindofabuzz> Pelo, no pidgin does not have cam support
[22:27] <Pelo> hagus, try asking in #cups
[22:28] <niriven> dgar1, Ah nice, thanks. Also, if you know, im running nvidiai drivers in a new distrobution but im gettng really slow performance. Any idea as to why?
[22:28] <kindofabuzz> Pelo, and i don't use windows
[22:28] <Slart> rafting: you have a platter you can change some magnetic property on.. if it's magnetized in one way you call it 1, another way it's a 0.. but you can magnetize most of it.. but there will still be old traces left..
[22:28] <Pelo> kindofabuzz, I stand correted then , try with amsn maybe , of see if you can find one with webcam support in the add remove applet
[22:28] <hagus> Pelo: That channel is pretty much dead atm :)
[22:29] <egc> is there a shoutcast plugin for rhythmbox?
[22:29] <Pelo> hagus, not all channels are as busy as this one , ( this one is pretty much the exception),  you need to be patient
[22:29] <egc> i cant seem to find one
[22:29] <kindofabuzz> Pelo, add/remove applet, i'd rather use symnaptic. =)
[22:29] <Slart> rafting: but this doesn't make it recoverable by just using "Undelete 2000 turbo plus"... you have to send it to a lab.. and they will have to reconstruct the data.. bit by bit..
[22:29] <Pelo> hagus, you might want to research it on linuxprinting.org also
[22:29] <Slart> rafting: so it's really really really expensive..
[22:29] <hagus> ty Pelo :)
[22:29] <Pelo> kindofabuzz, add/remove only shows applications,  makes it quicker to look for apps
[22:29] <kindofabuzz> Pelo, isn't amsn just msn?
[22:29] <Pelo> kindofabuzz, pretty much
[22:30] <NihilisT^> Hi :)
[22:30] <Commie_Cary> amsn needs to add supoort for aim and yahoo
[22:30] <ardchoille> then they would have to change the name to aimsnhoo
[22:30] <Slart> rafting: if you just want to make sure your old files aren't recoverable you can use wipe.. it writes random stuff where the file were.. then you end up having to send the drive to that expensive lab if you want the files back.. and I doubt anything you can put on a hard drive is worth that kind of money
[22:30] <hagus> I asked a question in that other channel over an hour ago, Pelo - but nobody has spoken there since - but maybe tomorrow it migh be more active :)
[22:30] <kindofabuzz> Pelo, so i guess the answerto my original question  is "no there is not a linux client that supporsts yahoo cams"
[22:31] <eNons3nse> could you guys help me.  i can't get any sound out of audacity
[22:31] <Pelo> kindofabuzz, seems that weay
[22:31] <eNons3nse> the level meters are reading that the file is playing, but nothing is coming out of my speakers
[22:32] <askand>  is there a way I can have my screenlets not minimize when using the showdesktopbutton?
[22:32] <Pelo> kindofabuzz, checkout kopete,  a kde app, it does not metion cams specificaly in the description but it seems to have quite a few plugins
[22:32] <Ramblurr> how can i install this source package? http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/simdmath
[22:32] <ardchoille> Ramblurr: are you on intrepid?
[22:33] <Ramblurr> ardchoille: yes
[22:33] <Llanowyn> Hello everybody, I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to reinitialize my trackpad for my ubuntu laptop?  I have a problem where it gets overly sensitive and starts moving on its own.  When I first boot up my laptop, the trackpad works ok for a few minutes, then goes crazy gradually with normal use.  Any ideas on how I can fix this?
[22:33] <Slart> askand: have you tried changing the settings for them.. something like "Treat as widget" ?
[22:33] <jrib> Ramblurr: "install source package"?  What do you mean by that?
[22:34] <Ramblurr> jrib: heh i guess that doesn't make sense. i need a version of simdmath, and there isn't a binary available
[22:34] <ardchoille> Hmm.. apt-cache search simdmath returns nothing
[22:34] <jrib> !info libsimdmath1 | Ramblurr
[22:34] <Ramblurr> jrib: but i don't like to compile & install source packages into my filesystem, files get lost
[22:34] <jrib> what a liar ubottu is
[22:35] <Ramblurr> also here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/simdmath/1.0.2-2ubuntu1
[22:35] <ardchoille> jrib: apt-cache search doesn't return it either
[22:35] <jrib> ardchoille: hrmm, did that package fail to build or something?
[22:36] <ardchoille> not sure
[22:36] <askand> Slart: yes but it wont help : /
[22:36] <ardchoille> there's no binary but the source is there
[22:36] <Llanowyn> ping
[22:36] <Slart> Llanowyn: pong
[22:36] <Llanowyn> Slart: thank you
[22:37] <jrib> Ramblurr: ah, because this is only for ppc right?
[22:37] <Slart> askand: hmm.. perhaps you can use the compiz version.. I think it has a macro to show the desktop somewhere in the settings manager
[22:37] <Ramblurr> jrib: oh.. you're right
[22:38] <ardchoille> jrib: Source Package: simdmath (1.0.2-2ubuntu1) [universe]
[22:39] <kaptengu> is it possible to limit a users access in openssh to only be able to forward ports and not execute remote commands or access terminal?
[22:39] <jrib> ardchoille: binaries seem to be ppc
[22:40] <ardchoille> jrib: ah, ok
[22:41] <dnyy> I tried installing adobe air on xubuntu, and it worked, but it didn't place the air shortcuts in the menu.  And when I go to open an .air file, there's no option for installing with air.  Is there a guide anywhere to acomplish this?
[22:43] <Llanowyn> Hello everybody, I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to reinitialize my trackpad for my ubuntu laptop?  I have a problem where it gets overly sensitive and starts moving on its own.  When I first boot up my laptop, the trackpad works ok for a few minutes, then goes crazy gradually with normal use.  Any ideas on how I can fix this?
[22:44] <Bart_> Hi, someone here using an eeepc?
[22:45] <xat_> Bart_: you might be able to get eeepc specific support at #eeepc
[22:45] <sebastian> n
[22:46] <Bart_> xat_, it's about ubuntu too :)
[22:46] <ope_> hey guys
[22:47] <ope_> anyone know if its possible to play a audio file at the login screen everytime you type a letter?
[22:48] <hml> any idea how I can make "M-x" in "emacs -nw" when my ~/.Xresources has: URxvt*meta8:  true ? (basically it says don't sent alt sequences, use the 8th bit)
[22:52] <Stargazer> Is there an applet i could use to detect if caps lock is on or not ? my laptop doesn't have a light for caps lock.
[22:53] <pipcookie> Stargazer: gnome?
[22:53] <balrog_> how do i get cairo-dock to unhide
[22:54] <jemradary> Hello, new user. How do I setup Vinagre on local computers?
[22:54] <Stargazer> Pipcookie, yeah.
[22:54] <Brack10> I'm updating my new ubuntu installation and it's going painfully slow.  About 20kB/s.  Anyone else experiencing the same slowness?
[22:54] <Brack10> oh now I'm down to 485 B/s
[22:54] <jemradary> I cant see see any other computers on my network in RDV
[22:55] <Brack10> everything else seems to be downloading fine
[22:55] <Slart> Brack10: change mirror?
[22:55] <jemradary> I even search for the computer name and nothing
[22:55] <musikgoat|main> Brack10: yes, change to a local mirror
[22:55] <Maizcul> Brack10: turn off the pr0n
[22:55] <Brack10> no pr0n nao
[22:55] <Brack10> I told you it's a new install
[22:55] <pipcookie> stargazer, ubuntu has a "lock-keys-applet" for gnome that I've just installed (just now!) and tried. It's pretty cool.
[22:56] <Stargazer> Pipcookie, is that the name of the package ?
[22:56] <jemradary> any ideas? I cant find any answer in support for vinagre
[22:57] <balrog_> i just told cairo-dock to hide itself and now i dont know how to get it back.  moving my mouse around on the bottom of the screen doesnt do anything...help?
[22:57] <pipcookie> stargazer, yes.
[22:57] <Brack10> oh when I was installing, I chose Vancouver to get west coast time, but I just noticed it changed my update server to the canadian server.  Is there any other localization settings I need to change?
[22:57] <Stargazer> Ty, pipcookie.
[22:58] <pipcookie> I'm not used to being "pipcookie"... I'm Sauvin on my daughter's computer.
[22:58] <jemradary> any Vinagre users here?
[22:58] <onx> hi everyone. i'm having trouble with hulu freezing both FF and epiphany, so i guess the flash plugin is at fault. anyone else experiencing this?
[22:58] <Jack_Sparrow> pipcookie   /nick Sauvin
[22:59] <pipcookie> Jack_Sparrow, I know that :D
[22:59] <Maizcul> 215mb ram used, i've only got conky and pidgin running :/
[22:59] <pipcookie> Jack_Sparrow, if you'll look, Sauvin is also here.
[22:59] <RogerBacon> .
[22:59] <jemradary> quit
[23:00] <Maizcul> any ideas why my ram usage is so high?
[23:00] <ark1> hey does anybody know of a thing like Windows DVD Maker for Ubuntu
[23:00] <kindofabuzz> something is using it?
[23:00] <Slart> ark1: try "devede"
[23:00] <Maizcul> kindofabuzz: well no shit sherlock. I mean any ideas why its high considering all i've got open is conky and pidgin
[23:00] <Slart> !info devede | ark1
[23:01] <musikgoat|main> Maizcul: if it makes you feel any better, pidgin is using 200MB of my memory
[23:01] <Slart> Maizcul: are you sure it's not buffers and cache?
[23:01] <ark1> Thank you u ubottu
[23:01] <c_programmer> c function to lock a directory ??? anyone ???
[23:01] <kindofabuzz> Maizcul, well you act like we're sychic and can see what's running on your system. look at your processes and see for yourself
[23:01] <kindofabuzz> psychic*
[23:01] <stdin> c_programmer: ask in ##c
[23:01] <mrwes> heh
[23:02] <Slart> Maizcul: memory policy in linux is different from windows.. unused memory is wasted memory here
[23:02] <c_programmer> thanks stdin
[23:02] <Maizcul> Jack why do you hate me so?
[23:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Maizcul Please read the code of conduct.. thanks
[23:03] <payload1> hi. when you purge firefox-3.0 and install galeon   desktop/gnome/url-handler/* contains still firefox
[23:03] <Maizcul> rules were made to be broken xD
[23:03] <c_programmer> stdin: It is asking me to regiser, I m not a irc pro, how do i register?
[23:03] <anon> how often do programs in Ubuntu repositories get updated?
[23:03] <IndyGunFreak> lol, Maizcul you wn't last long here
[23:03] <LjL> !latest | anon
[23:03] <stdin> !register | c_programmer, follow this
[23:03] <mrwes>  /msg NickServ identify <password>.
[23:04] <mrwes>  er...type /msg nickserv help
[23:05] <c_programmer> tried couple of things, didnt work, will read the link sent by stdin
[23:05] <ark1> one more question can I use avi in DeVeDe
[23:05] <anon> LjL , ok so the general response asside
[23:05] <anon> is there any reason the VLC is still 0.9.4 in the repository?
[23:05] <ark1> and play the burnt devede in a standalone dvd player
[23:05] <anon> updates contain security fixes
[23:05] <jedi06> how do you update to newest release?
[23:05] <Aiu> Dark room theme for 8.04 ? Anyway to get it?
[23:05] <jedi06> sudo apt-get update
[23:06] <Aiu> jedi06, to 8.10 ?
[23:06] <jedi06> yes
[23:06] <Aiu> dist-upgrade I believe
[23:06] <stdin> c_programmer: basically you do "/msg NickServ register <password> <email-address>", then check your email for instructions
[23:06] <temppy> !upgrade | jedi06 Aiu
[23:06] <slayton_> jedi06, are you talking about updating packages for a current release or upgrading to the next release
[23:06] <anon> Topic for #videolan is: Welcome, VLC 0.9.8a is out!
[23:06] <LjL> anon: security fixes may have been implemented independently by the packagers without actually bumping the version.
[23:06] <Aiu> temppy, I know, jedi was asking :)
[23:06] <anon> been at least four release updates since 0.9.4
[23:07] <Aiu> Anyway, how do I get the dark room theme for ubuntu 8.04
[23:07] <LjL> anon: also, VLC is in universe, so there's no guarantee of updates at all.
[23:07] <Aiu> !theme | Aiu
[23:07] <temppy> Aiu: yes, but dist-upgrade isn't correct.  Its better to follow those directions
[23:07] <GodfatherofEire1> Anybody know when DRI2 might be released?
[23:07] <anon> five if you also count 0.9.8a
[23:07] <LjL> (multiverse, even)
[23:07] <c_programmer> stdin: i did that and I see a reply from >nickserv< with the remaining of the msg
[23:07] <stdin> c_programmer: look in the server tab
[23:08] <c_programmer> You cannot use your nickname as a password.
[23:08] <c_programmer>  -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email>
[23:08] <c_programmer> thats the msg I get back
[23:08] <MiloStrife> anyone anygood with windows os?
[23:08] <LjL> anon: and anyway, i don't see any security fixes mentioned in the changelogs...?
[23:08] <payload1> hmm
[23:08] <stdin> c_programmer: make sure you didn't put your nick as the password
[23:09] <LjL> MiloStrife: you're certainly in the wrong channel.
[23:09] <stdin> MiloStrife: try ##windows
[23:09] <MiloStrife> stdin, they've not helped at all lol
[23:09] <payload1> i purged firefox and evolution... but they are still in   /desktop/gnome/ur-handlers/*
[23:09] <payload1> on removing them
[23:09] <stdin> MiloStrife: well this channel is for Ubuntu support
[23:09] <c_programmer> aah ok looks like that was it, I guess I am not registered, Do I need to verify it thru email ?
[23:09] <payload1> the scripts should delete this entries
[23:09] <exodus> MiloStrife> no windoze support in here :)
[23:10] <GodfatherofEire1> So no one has any idea as to when DRI2 might get to ATi Cards?
[23:10] <stdin> c_programmer: yeah, the email will tell you what to do next
[23:10] <MiloStrife> well on the off chance could anyone tell me how to add upperfilters and lower filters in the registry?
[23:10] <anon> LjL, front page of videolan.org
[23:10] <ark1> Hey How do I make my menus transparent
[23:10] <stdin> MiloStrife: try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic then
[23:10] <payload1> is there a bugfixing channel?
[23:10] <anon> or you could check older security advisories
[23:10] <Jack_Sparrow> !ot > MiloStrife
[23:10] <exodus> MiloStrife> unless you have an Ubuntu related questions I suggest you leave please :)
[23:10] <CelticLord> nuit!!
[23:10] <anon> here's one for 0.9.8
[23:11] <anon> http://www.videolan.org/security/sa0811.html
[23:11] <verizon`>  does any1 know how to change the color of the blue quotation when i reply with thunderbird?
[23:13] <bobbyd> hi
[23:13] <LjL> anon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/305100 it has been fixed in unstable so you may (not necessarily) expect an update to be released for intrepid too
[23:14] <bobbyd> I'm using Ubuntu Intrepid, I want to get a 640x480 mode on my widescreen laptop in order to play an old game. I've added lines to my xorg.conf, but it seems the nvidia driver is ignoring them. Can anyone offer any suggestions?
[23:14] <Jemradary> Can anybody help a first time user of RDV
[23:14] <bobbyd> The card is an Nvidia 7300go
[23:15] <Jemradary> I cant find any hosts in my RDV.
[23:15] <Jack_Sparrow> bobbyd Old Linux game or Windows game?
[23:16] <Jemradary> I want to view another computer on the same network
[23:16] <bobbyd> Jack_Sparrow: windows, GTA Vice city under Wine. It appears to install and run fine, but tells me it can't find a 640x480 mode
[23:16] <diego``> hey guys
[23:16] <Jack_Sparrow> bobbyd /j #winehq
[23:16] <thebinz> hey diego``
[23:16] <dan_> ?
[23:16] <brian42192> hey
[23:16] <brian42192> does anyone know how to use wireshark? im new with the program
[23:16] <thebinz> what are you doing on this fine winter night?
[23:16] <diego``> my user-switch applet dont show the options to shutdown or restart
[23:16] <bobbyd> Jack_Sparrow: but i think this is an xorg problem, not a wine problem
[23:16] <knoppix> holas
[23:16] <diego``> yesterday they was there
[23:16] <talexb> Hmm .. checking http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=386385 but it seems the Novell download for DOCX doesn't exist on the Novell site any more.
[23:16] <bobbyd> Jack_Sparrow: don't I need to edit xorg.conf to add more modes?
[23:17] <Jack_Sparrow> bobbyd I had to use command line modifiers to run some old games
[23:17] <bobbyd> Jack_Sparrow: ok :)
[23:17] <knoppix> alquien q hable españñl?
[23:17] <knoppix> español
[23:17] <slayton_> !es
[23:17] <talexb> Anyone suggest an alternative? I have a DOCX file that I want to be a DOC file.
[23:17] <LordPain> Hello.
[23:17] <Jemradary> How do I get to view another desktop? My Remore Desktop Viewer doesn't seem to see other computers on the same network
[23:17] <DIL> brian42192: yes but not here #wireshark
[23:18] <slayton_> talexb, you need to download an extension for open office that will read docx files
[23:18] <talexb> slayton_ Cool, but from where? The NOvell link is 404.
[23:18] <bobbyd> talexb: OpenOffice can open DOCx and save DOC
[23:18] <bobbyd> slayton_: it seemed to work out of the box for me on intrepid
[23:19] <talexb> bobbyd Oh .. I have 2.4 .. will that do?
[23:19] <slayton_> bobbyd, docX?
[23:19] <talexb> Or do I need 3.0?
[23:19] <slayton_> intrepid's version of OO might support docX
[23:19] <slayton_> talexb, I had to install a extension for  Hardy to get it to work
[23:19] <diego``> any idea?
[23:20] <Slart> slayton_, talexb : intrepids ooo supports docx
[23:20] <slayton_> talexb, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-tip-how-to-openview-docx-files-in-openoffice.html
[23:20]  * talexb can't remember which ubuntu he has and goes to check.
[23:20] <Slart> slayton_, talexb : I opened one the other day.. didn't realize it was a docx until someone with an older version of microsoft office complained about it =)
[23:20] <GodfatherofEire1> Quick question, when DRI2 gets implimented in the x.org will it be updated in the repos or will we have to use another source?
[23:20] <talexb> Slart Heh. :)
[23:20] <talexb> slayton_ Awesome .. I'll check it out.
[23:23] <GodfatherofEire1> When DRI2 gets implemented into x-server or x.org, will they be updated in the repos, or will I have to connect to an alternate software source to get the update?
[23:24] <khider> Does the root partition of ubuntu need to be bootable?
[23:24] <LjL> khider: if you mean whether the partition should be marked as bootable in the partition table, no, that's not needed
[23:24] <Slart> khider: I don't think so.. you can have a separate boot partition if you want to
[23:25] <asteroid_> hello
[23:25] <scientes> how do i natively use X over the network
[23:25] <Slart> scientes: ssh -X can do some neat stuff
[23:25] <scientes> every tutorial gives ssh tunneling and i want to just go directly over the network
[23:25] <LjL> scientes: you need to remove a few of the "-notcp" options that are there by default in various files in /etc
[23:25] <LjL> scientes: but it would be best to use it over SSH
[23:26] <scientes> if i want security i will use ipsec
[23:26] <asteroid_> I'm on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X but I do not understand how X works without a configuration file. I need to change my video card driver because it freezes (an old S3). How can I do it ?
[23:26] <thompa> i installed ubuntu to usb drive using the installer, now I would like to reformat it but cant mount volume cant read superblock?
[23:26] <LjL> scientes: ok, "grep -R notcp /etc", remove that option from the files it finds it in
[23:26] <asteroid_> thompa, to format you do not need to mount the usb stick
[23:26] <LjL> scientes: if you do that, make sure you're firewalled.
[23:27] <thompa> asteroid_: gparted?
[23:27] <scientes> ill just use ipv4 as im natted
[23:27] <asteroid_> thompa, why not
[23:27] <thompa> asteroid_: i just want to use the flash drive fro storage again
[23:27] <thompa> asteroid_: i got it thanks
[23:27] <LjL> scientes: wait sorry, it's "-nolisten tcp", not "-notcp"
[23:28] <scientes> thx
[23:28] <Guest45015> downloading ubuntu64b for my parents :)
[23:28] <LjL> scientes: so grep for nolisten
[23:28] <scientes> i should index these files :)
[23:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Guest45015 32 bit is recommended for newer users
[23:28] <asteroid_> thompa, formatting is done without mounting partition. Partionning is done without mounting device. An finally, you only need to mount the partition on device to acces it
[23:28] <scientes> Jack_Sparrow, really?
[23:28] <r0otzz> oh really
[23:28] <r0otzz> :S
[23:28] <Jack_Sparrow> scientes yes, fewer issues with flash etc
[23:28] <LjL> scientes: yeah, because of things like Flash that have a little trouble running 64bit
[23:28] <scientes> Jack_Sparrow, 32-bit can do everything 64 can, and all computer support it
[23:29] <scientes> Jack_Sparrow, flash is in 64-bit now
[23:29] <r0otzz> hmm
[23:29] <scientes> Jack_Sparrow, and you can install 32-bit firefox easily from mozilla
[23:29] <thompa> asteroid_: i know that, i want to use my usb cruzer for storage again after installing live ubuntu
[23:29] <asteroid_> wow 1370 users :) Is the most peopled #chan on freenode ?
[23:29] <scientes> asteroid_, yep
[23:29] <Jack_Sparrow> scientes I know it is.. but there are still issues and unless you have over 4 gig of ram, there is little reason to go 64 bit
[23:29] <LjL> scientes: and *that's* definitely not recommended...
[23:29] <r0otzz> let me see
[23:29] <r0otzz> first i will install it on my vmware
[23:29] <r0otzz> then in the pc downstairs
[23:30] <r0otzz> hopefully i doesnt have to much installs stufff
[23:30] <scientes> LjL, well i dont do it, and it gives its only libs so if you put it in /usrlocal it will be fine
[23:30] <r0otzz> 28&
[23:30] <Jack_Sparrow> asteroid_ We have had over 1450 in here last week
[23:30] <r0otzz> 28% now
[23:30] <r0otzz> :)
[23:30] <scientes> LjL, its packaged like a windows program :)
[23:30] <thompa> asteroid_: so in gparted do i need fat32 after i delete the partiition?
[23:30] <LjL> scientes: except when a security vulnerability is found in Firefox, then Ubuntu's security updates won't get you a patched version and boom.
[23:30] <scientes> Jack_Sparrow, i mean you can even install 64bit on windows 32-bit in vmware
[23:30] <r0otzz> did someone also installed on ps3?
[23:31] <asteroid_> thompa, is safer for storage to put fat32 yes, and make only one partition on key
[23:31] <Jack_Sparrow> scientes I really dont care..
[23:31] <Giraffe> hey, how do i get grouping to work in compiz?
[23:31] <thompa> asteroid_: thanks
[23:31] <mattycoze> hey ubuntu users; I'm trying for the second time here; if someone is able to help me with my problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1002536
[23:31] <Giraffe> Super+G doesn't actually group anything, it seems...
[23:31] <asteroid_> thompa, because not all os are able to mount other filesystems than fat
[23:31] <scientes> I recommend 64-bit for everyone that has the hadware
[23:31] <Jack_Sparrow> mattycoze Please post a description of the issue and not just a link
[23:31] <r0otzz> yes i have
[23:31] <scientes> even if other say otherwise
[23:31] <r0otzz> :D
[23:31] <thompa> asteroid_: figured
[23:31] <Jack_Sparrow> scientes We dont
[23:31] <r0otzz> how can i display here my hardware?
[23:31] <asteroid_> scientes, have you got a way ?   >> I'm on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X but I do not understand how X works without a configuration file. I need to change my video card driver because it freezes (an old S3). How can I do it ?
[23:32] <mattycoze> Jack_Sparrow mmm well; I've got a problem with controlling my master volume from the keyboard-hot key sound controls. I have a HP Pavillion dv6000 and it has been running pretty well till I messed around with something in the sound control section... What seems to be the problem is now instead of controlling the master volume I'm controling some channel called "PCM-2" of the Realtek ALC268...
[23:32] <mattycoze> ...(OSS Mixer). The channel that I want it to control is the HDA Intel (Alsa mixer) Master volume.
[23:32] <Twili> Hello
[23:32] <LjL> r0otzz, we honestly don't want to see your hardware here unless there's a specific reason to know...
[23:32] <tsrk_> I hibernated my computer, and it doesn't seem to be working, just kinda froze up (black screen) and hasn't been doing anything for a while.  I can still access it's samba shares and it's still connected to irc and everything, is there any way I can remote shut it down?  (I don't have ssh or telnet installed)  I just don't want to improperly shut it down while it's trying to hibernate
[23:32] <r0otzz> aha
[23:32] <r0otzz> sorry
[23:32] <rdancer> skype <IP_ADDRESS> doesn't recognize my webcam (works ok with xawtv) -- 8.04/amd64
[23:32] <LjL> tsrk_: have you tried ctrl+alt+backspace immediately followed by ctrl+alt+del?
[23:33] <chfwiggum> !TeXmacs
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> mattycoze /j #alsa can help
[23:33] <StevenX> Hello. Anyone know where I can get help with thunderbird?
[23:33] <mattycoze> thanks for the reference Jack_Sparrow
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[23:33] <tsrk_> LjL, I've tried each of those individually but not the combination, what's it do?
[23:34] <talexb> Awesome .. downloaded OdfConverter, then tried OO 2.4 first, and it opened the DOCX file no problems. Thanks!!!
[23:34] <ganymede> does anyone know the newest version of SFTP that openssh's internal-sftp uses? winSCP reports SFTP-3
[23:34] <scientes> asteroid_, i do nvidia for dual screen so i really dont know anything else, also ubuntu uses fully autodetection so you will need to do a manual xorg file perhaps
[23:34] <frog_> is the swffile loaded completly into ram? or is read and only part of it is in ram?
[23:34] <LjL> tsrk_: well, if X is still running (although not visible), ctrl+alt+del won't restart the computer. on the other hand, ctrl+alt+backspace will only restart X, not the whole computer. so doing both in succession may actually restart it.
[23:34] <LjL> tsrk_: otherwise, if that fails, do this: keep AltGr+SysRq pressed, and then hit, slowly, the letters: R E I S U B
[23:35] <payload1> the same as   about:config  for firefox   can be found for thunderbird by editing    prefs.js in your profile-folder
[23:35] <tsrk_> LjL, what's altgr, sysrq, and what's R E I S U B?
[23:35] <rww> !sysrq | tsrk_
[23:35] <LjL> tsrk_: they're keys on your keyboard.
[23:35] <mattycoze> jack_Sparrow... nah they said it was an ubuntu/gnome issue
[23:36] <Jack_Sparrow> !sound
[23:36] <asteroid_> scientes, this is the matter : autodectection load a driver, but this driver freeze my X after few seconds. I'm looking for changing it.
[23:36] <payload1> hi. i noticed that when purging firefox-3.0 you can still see firefox in gconf /desktop/gnome/url-handler/*
[23:36] <payload1> same for evolution
[23:36] <payload1>  installing lynx, galeon and thunderbird didnt replaced that
[23:37] <payload1> am i right at filing bug reports for each of      firefox-3.0, evolution, lynx, galeon and thunderbird    or could i file a report which says that this is maybe a general problem and should be checked for each and every package which should or have to modify   url-handlers  ??
[23:37] <scientes> asteroid_, if you know what driver to put in its place you can blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[23:37] <SpAc> From what I understand I need to have an MTA in order to be able to send mail via php.
[23:37] <khider> What's the disk-checking utility for Linux. How do I invoke it?
[23:37] <molgrum> hi i experience stuttering/crackling sound ever since i upgraded to ubuntu 8.10, i think it may be related to pulseaudio? please help :)
[23:37] <rww> !fsck | khider
[23:38] <khider> rww: I don't want the filesystem checker. I want to scan the hard drive for corrupted sectors.
[23:38] <nacho_> hello
[23:38] <LjL> payload1: then go to your Preferences, Preferred Applications (or what's it called), and change it
[23:38] <exodus> where can I find a list of factoids used in #ubuntu
[23:38] <scientes> LjL, the grep on /etc stalled even though im root
[23:38] <rww> !list | exodus
[23:38] <_cb> /boot/grub/menu.lst has 3 generic and 3 recovery mode options. Imagine I can par it down to 1 of each but don't know which  to delete.
[23:38] <_cb> Difference seems to be vmlinuz-2.6.24-22 and /initrd.img-2.6.24-22 I have a 2.6.24-22, 2.6.24-21 and 2.6.24-19
[23:38] <SpAc> I don't want to set up a mail server, just enable PHP to send emails. Is postfix overkill for such a solution?
[23:38] <scientes> LjL, or its just taking really long
[23:38] <mattycoze> Jack_Sparrow mmm ALSA is fine...
[23:39] <LjL> khider: badblocks
[23:39] <Twili> Hi
[23:39] <exodus> rww> cool, thanks
[23:39] <payload1> but it should happen automatically, LjL    that should be written in the remove/install scripts of the packages
[23:39] <Twili> Is there an Ultra-mobile PC USB image for Xubuntu (8.10)
[23:39] <Twili> ?
[23:39] <LjL> payload1: then file a bug
[23:39] <erUSUL> SpAc: use something like esmtp or ssmtp...
[23:40] <bitmonk> SpAc: not necessarily, but exim seems to do fine.  postfix is relatively simple, in addition to being very capable.
[23:40] <payload1> that was my question: as a general bug or as many bugs for different packages? or both? or what?
[23:40] <Twili> They have a Ultra-mobile PC USB image for Ubuntu 8.10, is there one for Xubuntu?
[23:40] <Aiu> Where can I find the Ubuntu darkroom theme
[23:40] <SpAc> bitmonk: the only reason I'm leaning toward postfix is because I've used and configured it before
[23:40] <Twili> darkroom?
[23:40] <bitmonk> SpAc: definitely not overkill.
[23:41] <Aiu> Twili, yup
[23:41] <SpAc> erUSUL: are these just more light weight alternatives?
[23:41] <asteroid_> scientes, sexy solution to blacklist `openchrome` ... but which one will be used ? and is modprobe.d/blacklist is used by X ?
[23:41] <payload1> Twili: download the Xubuntu CD iso file and "Create a USB startup disk"(in the panel-menu)
[23:42] <SpAc> bitmonk: I guess it would leave more flexibility for the future as well should I decide to start accepting incoming mail or something
[23:42] <harisund> I have a question not really Ubuntu related. I want to checkout a CVS module from Sourceforge, sbc.cvs.sourceforge.net ... Could someone give me a quick way to do it? I have the CVS client, I am not able to checkout and want to know if anyone else is able to :)
[23:42] <erUSUL> SpAc: sure and easy to set up... but i dunno if will match the requirements you have
[23:42] <scientes> modprobe,d/blacklist will make those drivers never loaded unless explicetly called by you
[23:42] <teear> Is it possible to set 4:3 as the default aspect ratio in VLC?
[23:42] <SpAc> erUSUL: the only requirement is for PHP to send emails from a contact form on a website
[23:43] <scientes> asteroid_, modprobe,d/blacklist will make those drivers never loaded unless explicetly called by you --sry for sayin it twice
[23:43] <Sweetandy> I'm making an 8.10 startup USB drive. Now if only I had a computer to try it on.
[23:43] <Twili> Where is the Ultra-mobile PC USB image for Xubuntu?
[23:43] <payload1> Twili: to make a bootable usb drive from a cd iso you can allways use   usb-creator    in ubuntu
[23:43] <Twili> But would that install it on the system
[23:43] <Twili> I just want a live distro
[23:43] <r0otzz> yes ubuntu64b downloaded
[23:43] <r0otzz> lets install
[23:44] <Sweetandy> Where is the partition editor in Ubuntu 8.10?
[23:44] <rww> !gparted | Sweetandy
[23:44] <Twili> You have to download GParted
[23:44] <anon> gparted
[23:44] <solexious> Im trying to use rsync on a folder "local folder" but are having problems with it having a space, is there a way i can say there is a space with out typing one like /n is for line breaks?
[23:44] <Flannel> Twili: The USB creator thing creates a USB system, doesn't install it
[23:44] <anon> download from repository
[23:44] <payload1> hmm... well i dont know if   usb-creator   preserves the live-cd mode
[23:44] <Sweetandy> Ah, that answers my question. I just wanted to know if it was included or not.
[23:44] <Sweetandy> Awesome, thanks.
[23:45] <Kura> i have a question, it may be stupid, but what size is the iso for the graphical desktop disc suposed to be? the mit one comes in at 698MB but the one from uni of utah comes in at a lil over 700MB
[23:45] <Twili> No I mean when you run the USB drive on a computer, would the USB drive install Ubuntu/Xubuntu on that system?  I just want a live distro that can run off of the USB Drive but one that will save changes to the
[23:45] <bobbyd> solexious: put it in quotes
[23:45] <Twili> USB drive
[23:45] <solexious> bobbyd, sadly doesnt work
[23:45] <chfwiggum> solexious: use \ \
[23:45] <solexious> chfwiggum, thank you
[23:46] <LjL> payload1: but in practice, does any browser start up now when you click on a URL with firefox removed? because if one starts up, then i wouldn't call it a bug...
[23:47] <anon> LjL, pm?
[23:47] <payload1> no LjL ... because  url-handler/http   is set to   firefox %s   even firefox isnt installed, no browser will start... sometimes there will be a error message, sometimes nothing
[23:48] <payload1> no one would know to start lynx, when it isnt written in  url-handler/http
[23:49] <yanko> hey
[23:49] <payload1> but knowing that both,   firefox and  lynx provide www-browser they should configure url-handler/http to the right value, when one or the other is removed
[23:49] <yanko> need some help please?
[23:49] <yanko> i am new to ubuntu
[23:50] <LjL> payload1: ok then it's a bug for sure, but i'm not sure where to file it either. you should make sure in any case that it only happens with firefox - i.e. maybe other browsers do have a postrm script (although it's a GNOME specific feature, so i don't think it should be handled by the packages themselves)
[23:50] <rww> !ask | yanko
[23:50] <r0otzz> VMware Workstation unrecoverable error: (vcpu-0)
[23:50] <yanko> well i am runing vista and ubuntu on same hdd but 2 different partions
[23:50] <yanko> and under vista i was able to see the partiion that ubuntu uses
[23:50] <yanko> and some how i cant any more
[23:51] <yanko> i got a new hdd just for ubuntu
[23:51] <aschx> can someone help me?
[23:51] <eseven73> that wasnt one line yanko :P
[23:51] <yanko> lol sorry
[23:51] <aschx> Can anyone help me?
[23:51] <f00fyf00f3rz> yanko: were you able to see the partition before you installed ubuntu or after? I'm pretty sure you can't view ubuntus partition through windows only the other way around
[23:52] <Twili> Is there a Xubuntu UMPC image like the Ubuntu one described here?
[23:52] <Twili> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-umpc/intrepid/current/
[23:52] <DasEi> !ask | aschx
[23:52] <payload1> i will file a general bug... maybe tomorrow... its late at night on my place, LjL... the same bug occurs on removing evolution
[23:52] <Flannel> payload1: You should be doing it through sensible-browser (see update-alternatives)
[23:52] <payload1> and installing for example thunderbird
[23:52] <pumazz> enyone who know aboute a seinfeld channel?
[23:52] <aschx> Can I have a web server on Ubuntu using VirtualBox?
[23:53] <LjL> Twili: there's no such thing for Xubuntu. but on the other hand, what stops you from just installing plain Xubuntu?
[23:53] <aschx> VirtualBox (On Windows Vista)
[23:53] <DasEi> yanko: did you install ext2nfs on the vista ?
[23:53] <horstle> n8
[23:53] <LjL> aschx: sure.
[23:53] <yanko> nop
[23:53] <Twili> LjL: It's on an office computer
[23:53] <yanko> i installed ubuntu 8.10 in vista
[23:53] <aschx> then, what is the Ip address of the server
[23:53] <DasEi> !who | yanko
[23:53] <LjL> Twili: and?
[23:54] <DasEi> yanko: so this might be why vista can't read it
[23:54] <Twili> *sigh*
[23:54] <Twili> Just forget it
[23:54] <LjL> aschx: i don't know, but #vbox (or the virtualbox documentation) should be able to tell you.
[23:54] <yanko> aha is there a way to fic it? Dasei:??
[23:54] <aschx> LjL: is there a such channel?
[23:54] <LjL> !usb | Twili
[23:55] <LjL> aschx: no, i made it up.
[23:55] <aschx> Lol...
[23:55] <f00fyf00f3rz> lmao
[23:55] <LjL> of course there is
[23:55] <DasEi> aschx:I'm just using it, and as it offers linux support, why not (I do a win98 on ubuntu); I'd like to know about the cpu consumption, could you feed that back ?
[23:55] <aschx> On irc.freenode.net?
[23:55] <rww> aschx: yes
[23:56] <LjL> aschx, how about you try joining and see
[23:56] <Twili> thank you
[23:56] <aschx> rww: okay, thanks...
[23:56] <aschx> LjL: I am ;)
[23:56] <LjL> Twili: you might have got a swiftier answer if you just asked the question you actually wanted to ask - i.e. "is there a way to install Xubuntu from a USB drive"...
[23:57] <joshua__> !news
[23:57] <aschx> Wow, there is hardly anyone in #vbox... lol
[23:57] <LjL> !fishing
[23:58] <StevenX> !ies4linux
[23:58] <LjL> aschx: "hardly anyone"? without even being there, my /who gives me 54 names. i don't call that hardly anyone.
[23:58] <LjL> aschx: perhaps you're just lacking some patience to wait for an answer.
[23:58] <payload1> hmm, looks like ubuntu packages arent really using sensible-* or even the environment variable BROWSER, LjL
[23:58] <aschx> no-one is talking...
[23:58] <f00fyf00f3rz> yanko: what do you mean you installed ubuntu IN vista?
[23:59] <meoblast001> why cant i connect to my usermin?
[23:59] <LjL> payload1: thank whoever decided to have a clone of the Windows preferred applications thing instead of actually doing something with a sense.
[23:59] <deardeath> hello I need help with GRUB, I've recently installed windows xp after installing ubuntu and I lost my Ubuntu's startup boot.. I'm currently on livecd
[23:59] <payload1> hehe
[23:59] <koshar1> grub!
[23:59] <f00fyf00f3rz> deardeath: so its booting straight to xp? this has happened to me before I think i can help
[23:59] <exodus> aschx> Perhaps 'everyone' was unaware of your presence.
[23:59] <Flannel> !grub | deardeath, first link


[00:26] <kees> systemd-shim really need to be purged before xenial -> bionic upgrades ....
[10:21] <sil2100> Hey, does anyone else see "/sys/firmware/dmi/tables/smbios_entry_point: Permission denied" errors in their autopkgtest logs for cosmic?
[13:00] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: I assume you're aware that there's a vboxguest driver in the upstream kernel now. We've still been shipping that and the vboxsf modules from the virtualbox-guest-dkms package in ubuntu kernels, and I wanted to get your opinion on whether we should continue doing so
[13:00] <sforshee> one hiccup, if we use the kernel's vboxguest driver we cannot ship vboxsf as it has dependencies on the vboxguest dkms module
[13:12] <ddstreet> sil2100 re: lp #1774120, if the last cosmic debdiff i attached looks like what you're asking for, can you upload that to cosmic and reject the previous SRU uploads?  I'll re-upload fixed SRUs.  Or, let me know if the cosmic debdiff isn't what you were looking for
[13:28] <LocutusOfBorg> sforshee, I know... not sure if we should continue or not too :)
[13:28] <LocutusOfBorg> my version should be "better" because I can tweak stuff and permissions
[13:29] <LocutusOfBorg> the basic kernel one works BTW
[13:33] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: if the in-kernel driver is currently more limited we can disable it and continue using the one from your package for now
[13:34] <sforshee> I assume we'd at least be missing the shared folders functionality
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> sforshee, better ship it because of vboxvideo
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> so we don't have to use seeds of vbox-guest in iso
[13:44] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: I don't follow, we've been using the in-kernel vboxvideo module already and afaict it has no dependencies on the vboxguest module
[13:46] <LocutusOfBorg> vboxvideo is provided by "kernel" and "vbox-guest"
[13:46] <LocutusOfBorg> the kernel version is useful in daily-live images, avoiding to install vbox-guest package
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> vbox-guest provides more tools and an updated (usually) kernel module
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> so the latter "enhances" the kernel one
[13:57] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: ok, but I don't see how that impacts which version of vboxguest.ko we choose to ship in the ubuntu kernel packages
[13:58] <sforshee> but it sounds like we're better off using the vboxguest.ko from your package for now, so I'll go that direction
[13:58] <sforshee> we can always reevaluate later
[14:14] <Nafallo> hi! who handles http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html ? it seem a bit stalled.
[14:58] <LocutusOfBorg> sforshee, do you want to stop providing it completely?
[15:11] <sil2100> Does anyone know if there's some way of marking an autopkgtest as 'skipped' from inside the test? Let's say, I have an ADT test that in some certain special condition I want to mark itself as skipped?
[15:14] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: my preference would be to use the in-kernel drivers as long as they are providing the equivalent features
[15:45] <ginggs> sil2100: if blah blah exit 0 in debian/tests/name-of-script ?
[18:20] <jpleau> Trevinho: (I hope you're the right person :P) About the bug you filed for the GDM login/logout issue, do I have to do anything ? You mentionned I had to file a bug but it appears you did so already!
[18:21] <Trevinho> jpleau: Hey! yeah, exactly :)
[18:23] <jpleau> Okay, just wanted to be sure. I'm aware of the flow for Debian stable updates but less so for Ubuntu. Thanks
[20:02] <phibs> Is this a place to ask a generic package building question?
[20:03] <sarnold> hey phibs :)
[20:04] <phibs> uyo
[20:04] <phibs> yo&*
[20:04] <phibs> ok I give up haha
[20:04] <teward> #ubuntu-packaging might be a better place to ask generic package building things, no idea if it's still a 'living' channel though
[20:05] <phibs> yeah
[20:05] <phibs> Basically https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/lshw has patches that reference one dir too specific, instead of a/src/blah its a/lshw-B.02.18/src/blah and does not build :(
[20:07] <teward> um
[20:07] <teward> phibs: that's by design with the way the package is laid out
[20:07] <teward> patches are relative to the root of the source package tree
[20:08] <phibs> the patch diff doesn't even create the debian dir in the same package dir....
[20:08] <phibs> it's AFU, try it :)
[20:08] <teward> well
[20:08] <teward> i just dget'd the package
[20:08] <teward> and all the patches just applied
[20:08] <phibs> hmm
[20:08] <teward> with quilt push -a
[20:08] <teward> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mVWymNkQZ2/ is the 'root' of the source pkg
[20:08] <teward> so the first 'folder' within the source package dir is lshw-B.02.18/
[20:08] <phibs> oh I see
[20:09] <phibs> thanks!
[20:09] <phibs> stupid me haha
[20:09] <teward> it's just this package and the way it's laid out
[20:09] <phibs> nod
[20:09] <phibs> yeah hadn't run into a package laid out like that before
[20:10] <teward> (disregard the /tmp/lshwstuff/... parts
[20:10] <phibs> any way to have it fetch/unpack things from say: https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/lshw ?
[20:10] <phibs> or is there a tool that does that
[20:12] <sarnold> apt-get source if you have deb-src lines set up
[20:12] <sarnold> pull-lp-source may do the job too
[20:12] <teward> dget -u on the .dsc file linked on that page works as well, but that preassumes you have dget as well
[20:12] <phibs> my host is xenial, i'm backporting the cosmic one
[20:13] <phibs> dget -u is perfect, thanks
[20:13] <sarnold> there's some kind of automated backporting command ..
[20:13] <sarnold> it can also feed right into a ppa so you don't even need tobuild locally
[20:13] <teward> part of the dev tools, yeah i'm familar with it
[20:13] <sarnold> but lunchtime :)
[20:13] <sarnold> see ya phibs, teward :)
[20:13] <phibs> thanks to you both
[20:13] <teward> backportpackage is what sarnold's thinking of
[20:14] <teward> i forget the package that installs it though, maybe `ubuntu-dev-tools`
[20:14] <teward> (I'm on a Xenial system too heh)
[20:14] <phibs> yeo
[20:14] <phibs>  ubuntu-dev-tools has it
[20:14] <phibs> teward: thank you for your help sir, solved my issue!
[20:15] <teward> glad to have helped :)
[20:16] <phibs> so yeah the problem was I was unpacking/diffing myself, which worked fine with normal layouts but this one was a tad abnormal so dget -u from now on it is.