[00:01] <n1md4> thanks, bye.
[00:02] <diddledan> thursday
[00:03] <popey> Google is a bit dead here
[00:03] <popey> docs, mail, plus...
[00:03] <popey> probably means bed time
[00:04] <daftykins> :D
[00:04] <daftykins> normally it's virgin media's desyncs that enforce early bed, i found - in England
[02:58] <mapito> desync? modem econnecting?
[02:58] <mapito> *reconnecting
[04:24] <knightwise> morning
[04:24] <ball> Mornin'
[04:38] <ball> Goodnight.
[07:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:38] <Guest1123> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Hanging Out Day! 😃
[08:38]  * Guest1123 kicks nickserv
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> do we let strangers hang out here? :-)
[08:38] <Guest1123> Most certainly not. 😃
[08:40] <Myrtti> tsk.
[08:51] <knightwise> morning peeps
[08:51] <knightwise> I'm feeling daring today
[08:51] <knightwise> went to work with my ubuntu phone ... AND my ubuntu laptop
[08:54] <davmor2> knightwise: and it just worked end of drama right?
[08:58] <knightwise> davmor2: so far so good. the ubuntu phone isn't perfect but its able to do what I need on a basic level.
[08:58] <knightwise> still have the ipad with a simcard as a failover
[08:59] <knightwise> i run my company off my phone and such
[08:59] <knightwise> so it REALY needs to work
[09:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYcX534JqG4 or if it is the other Hanging https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXx1S6O-T30
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:26] <knightwise> ok :) doing a full ubuntu day today
[11:26] <knightwise> so far things are going ok , but the ubuntu phone is a tad on the slow side sometimes
[11:27] <knightwise> 14.04 xps to work WITH the Ubuntu phone. (I am carrying my ipad as a backup)
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> but is the ubuntu phone slow because of the os or the hardware do you think? i've heard it said it's the mediocre hardware
[11:33] <popey> bpoth
[11:33] <popey> -p
[11:33] <popey> the bq e4.5 isn't a terrifically fast phone
[11:33] <popey> and we have identified some bottlenecks in software
[11:34] <popey> there's a team working on it
[11:34] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: what popey said
[11:34] <knightwise> You cant compare it when it comes to speed to a high end flagship android or IOS phone, but you cant compare the price either
[11:35] <ali1234> my phone cost £50 and it never feels slow
[11:35] <knightwise> ali1234: nokia 3310 ?
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> i can only hopee it keeps improving and becomes available over the counter
[11:35] <ali1234> no, blade apex 2
[11:35] <ali1234> it has the same CPU has the moto g
[11:36] <knightwise> looks nice :)
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> i have an android i got for €69 huawei y625 i use as a mini tablet and i use a nokia asha 302 dumbphone as phone
[11:36]  * knightwise last time i'm buying a samsung flagship OR an ios flagship phone
[11:37] <ali1234> nobody buys flagship phones anymore ... they actually downgraded the CPU in the S7 because having a fast CPU in a phone is completely pointless
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> ios was too locked down for me and google just seems to get creepier every year
[11:37] <ali1234> and because noody is willing to pay more for a faster one
[11:38] <knightwise> Samsung is becoming the bonzi buddy of mobiles these days
[11:38] <davmor2> ali1234: it's actually more the power drain, I think there is a half way point where if you keep it so the phone lasts longer than a day you keep the apps running without glitches everyone is happy
[11:40] <ali1234> it's purely that nobody wants to pay £500 for a phone when they can buy one for £50 and it does all the exact same things
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> apple still manage
[11:41] <ali1234> apple are struggling because of this
[11:41] <davmor2> knightwise: what the hell is gekko anyway?
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> sales are dropping but that might be more they have reached saturation
[11:43] <ali1234> it's not so much that they've reached saturation as they've reached saturation in the market that's willing to pay $700 for a phone
[11:43] <ali1234> which is a market which is shrinking
[11:48] <knightwise> gekko is the mail client
[11:55] <davmor2> knightwise: gekko do you mean dekko
[11:55] <davmor2> knightwise: the email client on the phone
[12:02] <knightwise> Sorry Dekko !
[12:02] <knightwise> Got it to play nice with the Google contact list ...
[12:02] <knightwise> so now i can use it for the company
[13:25] <davmor2> knightwise: nice
[15:21] <ujjain> who is a Global Cross-Platform Broadcast client based in West London?
[15:27] <popey> could be anyone really. there's a bunch of media companies in west london
[15:38] <diddledan> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/04/17/turns-dude-didnt-delete-entire-company-single-line-code/%E2%80%8B/
[15:39] <diddledan> we obviously didn't see that coming, did we?!
[15:39] <diddledan> popey: Ujjain: "a bunch of media companies" <-- soho is the media production centre for britain
[15:40] <diddledan> pretty much every facilities house is there
[15:40] <ujjain> hmm,
[15:40] <diddledan> I know this, because daddy!
[15:41] <diddledan> having a VTR engineer in the family means I find out a lot about broadcast and media production in-stories
[15:41] <diddledan> although he's retired now
[15:42] <diddledan> ujjain: it's probably SKY though
[15:42] <ujjain> yeah could be yeah
[17:50] <diddledan> the warcraft movie might be fun https://youtu.be/65AjY_nRdqE
[17:56] <davmor2> diddledan: like every game based movie it will either be awesome or awful and nothing inbetween
[17:57] <diddledan> aye
[17:57] <diddledan> I still like tomb raider - even though it's terrible
[17:57] <diddledan> probably because it's got Angelina's jolies
[17:59] <davmor2> diddledan: tut tut, I enjoyed them too even though they weren't great, I also liked the original hitman film, max payne was just weird, doom was god awful
[18:00] <diddledan> doom was .. yeah .. they really didn't do that well
[18:00] <diddledan> the first-person bit was just plain stupid
[18:17] <davmor2> diddledan: No I disagree, if they had done the whole thing like it was a game of doom (with the good graphics obviously) I think it would of been a much better film. I mean how many people will sit and watch a good player play a decent first person and love it
[19:34] <Azelphur> I've been running KDE on my laptop for a while now, getting seriously tempted to switch to it from XFCE o.O
[19:35] <Azelphur> It seems forward thinking, but in a sensible way, I like KDE connect, it's really nice
[19:35] <Azelphur> and the fact that they have most of the compiz features implemented (although why no mouse bindings, so strange)
[21:21] <daftykins> only Ktrouble is you'll start Kthinking all Kthings begin with a K
[21:23] <popey> Klies
[21:23] <daftykins> :D
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> at least they follow the principlr of kiss
[21:27] <daftykins> KDE is shiny, student
[21:28] <ali1234> Azelphur: no mouse bindings because everything on KDE uses the same binding system, and that thing doesn't support mouse buttons, never has
[21:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: still weird, really should support it
[21:39] <Azelphur> daftykins: I know, Gwenview really confused me.
[22:24] <daftykins> that doesn't have a K!
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> the k is not only silent but invisible...
[22:25] <daftykins> :D
[22:46] <Azelphur> I just received a lovely letter from free, telling me how they're currently reviewing their price plans and in order to offer their customers the most competitive deals, they sometimes have to phase out older tarrifs, like mine, so they are raising my bill to £20/mo for the same thing...but giving me an exclusive £3 monthly discount!
[22:46] <Azelphur> three, not free, oops :)
[22:47] <Azelphur> Corperate doublespeak at it's finest though, I must say
[22:47] <daftykins> what's the rate you're on now?
[22:47] <Azelphur> £12.60/mo
[22:48] <daftykins> hrmm
[22:48] <daftykins> i went with O2 for my clients' travelling business phone + separate mobile data SIM for his laptop
[22:49] <daftykins> they did this evil thing without asking where if he rocked up in a new country, which he does a lot with worldwide travel, they'd instantly throw on the bill £99 for 'a month of free data'
[22:49] <daftykins> cue having to call in to complain - i got a £500 refund arranged o0
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> they are trying to phase out prepay her in ireland and replace the plans with rolling contracts.  for me this would be a 400% increase...
[22:49] <daftykins> yowzer
[22:50] <Azelphur> https://Ǣ.cc/-e1
[22:50] <Azelphur> I really do have to give them credit for the corporate doublespeak, for a letter saying "we're nearly doubling your monthly bill" it really comes off well
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> i use the phone so little that €5 lasts 2-3 months. under rolling contract i'd have to pay €5 every 2 weeks just to stay connected... too expensive for how little i use it
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> my personal best is €5 for 6 months
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> so now only tescomobile in ireland does prepay but it looks like they are moving away from it as it's no longer mentioned in their plans
[22:52] <daftykins> no competition over there to hop to someone else?
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> so if they bump me to rolling contract i'll just dump all my sims
[22:53] <daftykins> amusingly you'd probably do better having a smartphone and jump on public wifi with skype XD
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> lots of competition but lots of doublespeak
[22:54] <Azelphur> My mobile is my primary phone, I have pay as you go on my landline and don't actually have a phone plugged in.
[22:54] <Azelphur> but still, I'm really just amazed by the wording in that letter, whoever wrote that is definitely good at the corporate doublespeak lol
[22:54] <daftykins> hmm does that abolish line rental costs? my landline is £9.99/mo i think
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> if they want to gouge idiots into paying €40 per month fair enough but i don't play games and will just drop them
[22:55] <daftykins> have to have it as my VDSL2 is phone line delivered though
[22:55] <Azelphur> daftykins: no it doesn't sadly, still have to have line rental for VDSL2
[22:56] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: yea I will never pay that much, I was paying £12.60 and hopefully I'll get something new in that ballpark
[22:56] <daftykins> oh you do use the same tech
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> €10 a month to me is money wasted.  for 2-3 texts and 1-2 calls and using data on 2g-3g 1-2 days <50mb per day
[22:57] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: yea, each to his own. I use mine a lot, go through a few GB every month easily.
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> and that's fine but the rolling contracts seems to have come in as the eu clampe down on roaming
[22:58] <Azelphur> I'm not sure what you mean by rolling contract, I generally stay out of contracts and just pay once a month
[22:58] <Azelphur> like to be free to switch if they screw me, as they often do
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> so they're trying to push people who barely use their services into stupid price plans that are wrong for them
[22:59] <Azelphur> oh totally agree, that's common too
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> a rolling contract is the new prepay in ireland.  €5-10 every 2 weeks covers calls and data but at the end of the 2 weeks you need to pay again even if you didn't use the phone
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> it's not like prepay were you have credit which is drained as you use it.
[23:00] <Azelphur> yea, that's horrible, pay as you go is dying and I don't like it
[23:01] <Azelphur> I'd love to buy something for a backup internet connection, pay for 10GB and just use it when my connection is down until it runs out, but they expire it every month -_-
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> what will happen is people like me will find ways to use vibre or whatsapp for sms on wifi and voip on computers/tablets for voice and have no dealings with phone company.  and we will become an expanding group as students save money
[23:03] <Azelphur> yea, I'm heavily using VOIP myself, I actually have Skype out although I'm tempted to drop it
[23:08] <daftykins> the same scenario you describe is what makes travel for us islanders hell
[23:08] <daftykins> even coming up to England we don't have the same telcos at all, so it's just get rinsed on roaming or pick up a PAYG - often it takes a day to get that going though
[23:09] <daftykins> you can't buy anything over here or set it up here often too, as they often need to see the home network to activate
[23:09] <Azelphur> lame
[23:10] <Azelphur> that's one of the things I'll hate about leaving three - International roaming isn't gonna be good
[23:10] <daftykins> i wonder if t-mo goes one way only, my friend in the US uses it and can go on data in England
[23:10] <daftykins> (t-mobile US)


[00:04] <o_> lalalalalal
[00:04] <compilerwriter> I need some advice about how to best go about fixing the showing of pdf files from within firefox and Chromium.  I have done some research and have found acroread and then this thing called mozplugger what are your thoughts?
[00:55] <archimonde2001> salut
[00:58] <archimonde2001> ehoo
[01:04] <WilliamBuell> I just did the version upgrade to 10-04-1 via the Update Manager and it seems to work OK
[01:11] <WilliamBuell> I have not been in Kubuntu IRC in a long time. None of my off-topic bookmarks work
[01:24] <WilliamBuell> Could someone please suggest to me how I may reach a Kubuntu off-topic room? Thanks!
[02:21] <Walzmyn> Since upgrading to 4.5 Kaffiene will play sound, but not video
[03:16] <Guest57049> hey what's up???
[03:46] <KukuNut> kaffeine 1.1 ppa?
[03:55] <KukuNut> hmm..gotta compile it myself then
[04:07] <kovacslevente> hello, anybody here?
[04:09] <kovacslevente> anybody willing to help?
[04:33] <RandomRoger> Is there a safe way to install kdevelop, I previously tried using a backports repo, and it borked the system.
[06:02] <noaXess> good morning
[06:02] <noaXess> where do i post bug's on the curren kde4.5 beta for kubuntu? on launchpad or on kde bug reporting?
[06:34] <chaaya> hey, just installed 4.5. In the event there are any developers here -- serious kudos. this is amazing. thanks!
[06:45] <noaXess> ??
[06:46] <CruX|> hello in amd64 kubuntu 10.0is only kde4.4.5 ???
[06:50] <noaXess> CruX|: read here.. http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45 to upgrade to 4.5 you need kubuntu ppa backports
[07:47] <phloog> Good morning
[08:11] <xoomer> Good morning to all! ^_^ ... or evening =)
[08:13] <xoomer> Who know when kde 4.5.1 will be available in repos ? :)
[08:16] <CruX|> noaXess: thx
[08:16] <CruX|> ii  kontact                               4:4.4.5-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa10         KDE pim application
[08:16] <CruX|> i'm already using backports
[08:16] <ON-GaWzyrka> ikonia bruder olaaaa
[08:17] <CruX|> but version 4.4.5 confused me
[08:18] <noaXess> CruX|: hm.. read here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/615902 maybe will help
[09:04] <naftilos76> hi everyone, when i shutdown i get among others the following message: unmounting weak filesystems but the [ok] takes about 5mins to appear. that is annoying. I don't remember anything like that in the past! I have Kubuntu 10.04 with latest KDE 4.5. Any ideas?
[09:38] <Garp> Hi.
[09:40] <Garp> Question: (lucid - i386) In Konqueror, I cant found any more the configuation for user certificate. Did something change? Thanks.
[10:02] <alvin> Yes, that dialog is gone in KDE4
[10:11] <progre55> hi guys! I have a really urgent situation.. I was appliying the updates, kernel updates, etc, and my comp died suddenly, and now it comes to the login screen, and neither the mouse, nor the keyboard respond. TTYs are not working either.. any suggestions, please?
[10:12] <progre55> how to fscheck with a live-cd?
[10:41] <naftilos76> progre55: hi there, can you restart and get into safe mode ?
[11:00] <gp[8]> hi guys, when KDE 4.5.1 for Lucid?
[11:39] <hsr> Anyone can help me this:  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/sJBdQV4z       ????
[11:45] <hsr> Anyone can help me this:  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/sJBdQV4z       ????
[11:55] <hsr> Hello! Everyone... greetings from me. Would anyone mind to help me here?
[12:00] <hsr> Anyone can help me this:  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/sJBdQV4z       ????
[12:03] <hsr> Hello!!
[12:03] <kalg> hsr, how abt updating KDE to a newer version..?
[12:03] <luis_> Hi
[12:04] <luis_> How change kubuntu visual style (10.04)
[12:04] <hsr> kalg: What for? I am using kde 4.4 and its the latest stable
[12:04] <luis_> #Kubuntu-es
[12:05] <kalg> hsr, 4.5 is there
[12:05] <hsr> thats unstable
[12:05] <luis_> Hi how change and add new visual styles in kubuntu 10.04=
[12:06] <jussi> luis_: in system settings
[12:06] <hsr> kalg:KDE 4.5, that's to be included only
[12:06] <hsr> with the next release
[12:07] <luis_> Please guide me, im in system seetings < windows
[12:07] <jussi> !pm | luis_
[12:07] <kalg> hsr, you can add it via ppa, I use it.. and it's not unstable.. actually 4.5.1 is out
[12:08] <luis_> Please guide me, im in system seetings < windows
[12:08] <jussi> luis_: Im on a later version than you, so I cant really guide you more than that
[12:08] <hsr> kalg How would that actaully solve my problem? Did you go through this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/sJBdQV4z
[12:09] <kalg> yeah.. but had no clue.. just thought updating might work. it's your decision to make
[12:10] <hsr> kalg: Yeah.. thanks. I'll see if that remains a good option
[12:11] <hsr> kalg: Could you link me to KDE 4.5.1 release?
[12:12] <kalg> 4.5.1 is not yet announced for Kubuntu
[12:12] <kalg> but 4.5.0 is available
[12:12] <hsr> kalg: Yeah right..i got the webiste. What do you mean by end users?
[12:13] <kalg> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[12:13] <jussi> hsr: the 4.5 release link is in the topic
[12:13] <jussi> *G*
[12:14] <hsr> kalg: How to update?
[12:14] <hsr> kalg: How to update w/o ppa
[12:15] <kalg> why w/o ppa
[12:15] <kalg> that's easier
[12:23] <luis_> How add new visual styles (NO PLASMA) on KUBUNTU 10.04 (KDE 4)ç
[12:25] <JuJuBee> When I un-mute my F-mic (built in to laptop) I can hear myself talk through the speakers, but I cannot get Skype to recognize it. Any suggestions?
[12:37] <kalg> luis_, if you go to system settings window you will find what you want
[12:38] <kalg> system settings -->workplace appearance
[12:38] <luis_> yes (sarcasm) i need change the window, no the borders ¬¬
[12:39] <kalg> system settings --> application appearance
[12:39] <kalg> then choose colors
[12:40] <luis_> Kubugtu sucks¡¡¡ ¬¬
[13:55] <sobczyk> hi, how to move plasma panel that is outside of view?
[14:07] <leefay> df
[14:41] <larsjaaa_> Hi, Kubuntu alternate 10.04, and reinstall/convert to 64 bits, I want to encrypt the partition, anyone know if this will affect the win install on other partition? Can I convert the partition, and not the whole disk? Thanks!
[14:42] <Xase> I installed the kubuntu-desktop over my ubuntu install, but now the gnome-keyring pops up every time i log in.
[14:45] <larsjaaa_> Xase: seems like you merged the two, no reinstall?
[14:45] <larsjaaa_> Xase: either reinstall, or sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop*
[14:46] <Xase>                  No re-install not an option broke the drive on this and I have no thumbdrives
[14:46] <Xase> "Package ubuntu-desktop is not installed"
[14:46] <Xase> Anyways that's just a meta package anyways.
[14:47] <Xase> I would have to remove everything referenced by it.
[14:47] <Xase> Or am I wrong.
[14:47] <Xase> Anyways... KDE keeps crashing every time I right click the quick folder view as well.
[14:50] <larsjaaa_> Xase: I do not have a good analogy for your stunt, but I beleve you should delete your $home, start over, after removing ubuntu ^^
[14:51] <larsjaaa_> Xase: backup :)
[14:51] <Xase> ... backup on what?
[14:51] <Xase> I have no CDR drive or thumb drives.
[14:52] <Xase> Reinstall isn't an option.
[14:53] <Xase> ... I'll fix it myself. Deleting home is probably a  bad idea.
[14:54] <Xase> This can't be that incredibly hard.
[14:54] <Xase> BBL
[15:03] <look_> Xase; i get that bug sometimes to, it has to deal with your graphics card, i googled it once ill find the link for you on how to fix it.
[15:06] <Xase> ok well the gnome keyring no longer pops up...
[15:06] <Xase> However the stupid quick access is still broken.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:07] <Xase> After purging -ALL- gnome related files
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Xase, it isn't necessary to purge all gnome files ,just remove ubuntu-desktop
[15:08] <Xase> ... that does -nothing-
[15:08] <BluesKaj> then remove the gnome apps
[15:09] <Xase> ubuntu-desktop only removes 'ubuntu-desktop' which is just a meta package.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> it's afer
[15:09] <BluesKaj> safe
[15:09] <Xase> ... No that's retarded.   I'm going to do a net install of BSD. No wonder why I stopped using linux. It's full of pompous, mightier-than-thou windbags 85% of the time.
[15:18] <Xase> Have a good one ^^
[15:27] <look_> Xase; just reinstall, or learn how to not mess things up, i have installed ubuntu-desktop(with all the packages) and nothing has ever happened. You need to come down and if you don't get the answer your looking for in here you can(almost all the time) find it with google. If one of your friends irl has a flash drive backup everything to that, or go buy one there very useful. no im not trying to be mean im stating the obious
[15:30] <Kubuntu_user> hi.... someone there?
[15:30] <look_> im here
[15:30] <look_> or maybe im not, you never know XD
[15:30] <Kubuntu_user> hi...  does Kubuntu 10.4 support RT3090 WLAN chipset?
[15:32] <look_> Kubuntu_user: yes i does i think, most real tech wifi cards will work with it by just pluging it in.
[15:32] <Kubuntu_user> nice... du you have some exp. with kubuntu and fitpc?
[15:34] <look_> no i don't sorry
[15:36] <Kubuntu_user> ok, i try to explain my issue... GMA500, apt-get upgrade, compiz all off, heavy display laggs
[15:38] <KukuNut> Kubuntu_user: KDE composting is much better than compiz
[15:39] <look_> Kubuntu_user: looks like there is an issue with your graphics card. I have no idea how to fix it, try useing google it might help....
[15:39] <look_> Kubuntu_user: this might help
[15:39] <look_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo/
[15:39] <Kubuntu_user> thank you
[15:39] <KukuNut> Kubuntu_user: you need not install compiz..in fact it's just probably the problem
[15:40] <look_> KukuNut: i think it was his graphics card
[15:40] <look_> KukuNut: what he was talking about is that desktop effects were turned off and he still had crapy display
[15:40] <Kubuntu_user> ^^check
[15:41] <KukuNut> look_: Kubuntu_user but you said compiz?
[15:41] <look_> KukuNut: some people can get mixed up between compiz and Kubuntu compiziting
[15:42] <look_> KukuNut: it also looks like it worked
[15:44] <KukuNut> look_: KDE composting is not only for 'eye candy effects'..it makes the display a lot better as well
[15:48] <look_> KukuNut: yes i know, but the problem with Kubuntu_user is that his graphics card didn't have the drivers, i fixed that.
[16:06] <DaskreecH> hello
[16:06] <DaskreecH> Can I mount a Wubi install from a Live CD and then do a FS test on it?
[16:06] <DaskreecH> Well "mount"
[16:20] <noaXess> does anybody has also performance problem with new kde 4.5?
[16:21]  * DaskreecH doesn't have the new KDE 4.5 :)
[16:24] <BajK> noaXess: in particular?
[16:24] <noaXess> BajK: ?? what you mean?
[16:24] <BajK> noaXess: what kind of performance problems
[16:24] <noaXess> BajK: effects go slow.. before with 4.4.5 was all fine..
[16:25] <BajK> noaXess: hm.. dunno, everything‘s fine here
[16:25] <noaXess> BajK: have you effects and compositing on?
[16:25] <BajK> noaXess: yes.
[16:25] <BajK> Hm.. I like KDE 4.5 but there are several new bugs coming. Screen saver plasma overlay is totaly useless, cannot configure, doesnt work and stuff. Printer settings don‘t work either, using cups web interface now... (which is good)
[16:26] <noaXess> kwin and xorg needs each about 10-15% spu
[16:26] <noaXess> sometimes 5-10%
[16:26] <BajK> noaXess: Graphics card/Proecssor?
[16:26] <BajK> currently kwin 30% :D
[16:26] <noaXess> BajK: nvidia
[16:26] <BajK> xorg 5%
[16:28] <noaXess> and switching between desktops is horible..
[16:28] <noaXess> hm...
[16:28] <BajK> noaXess: hm.. nvidia or nouveau driver?
[16:28] <noaXess> ok. kde4.5 is still beta.. hope it will be better on release one
[16:28] <BajK> ah, well nouveau does not support 3d
[16:28] <noaXess> nvidia
[16:28] <noaXess> yep
[16:28] <noaXess> :)
[16:28] <BajK> noaXess: kde 4.5 is final? o.O
[16:29] <noaXess> BajK: not really.. for kubuntu ppa backports.. beta... but from kde.org there is a 4.5.1
[16:29] <BajK> noaXess: hm you‘re right,m still waiting for ke 4.5.1 on kubuntu..
[16:29] <noaXess> jep
[16:29] <BajK> noaXess: did you try rekonq browser? is it just me or is it buggy as hell?
[16:30] <Guest35525> че ж такое-то
[16:30] <noaXess> BajK: rekonq? konqueror?
[16:30] <BajK> no, rekonq. the new webkit kde browser
[16:30] <DaskreecH> !ru
[16:30] <Guest35525> кде это сам по себе баг
[16:30] <Guest35525> огромный
[16:30] <FloodBotK2> Guest35525: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:31] <BajK> Maaan, I‘d love to help develop KDE, but well I can‘t get used to that C stuff and object thingies and I‘m even too stupid to compile such :D
[16:31] <noaXess> BajK: no.. not yet
[16:32] <noaXess> BajK: is it installed default?
[16:32] <DaskreecH> BajK: a) you can learn and b) developing KDE doesn't have to mean code
[16:32] <BajK> BajK: in Kubuntu 10.10 is it, you can install it from repo (or backports dunno)
[16:33] <BajK> DaskreecH: but always just posting bugreports is boring :D or what‘s there else? organizing kde events? :D
[16:34] <BajK> DaskreecH: can you tell me a good source for getting used to developing in KDE and trying and such? I looked in the wiki but that was too complicated for me, I guess (:
[16:34] <avihay> thare's art to be made, and KDE also uses easier to learn scripting/programming languages
[16:35] <BajK> avihay: oh, no, art and graphic design, isn‘ really mine^^
[16:35] <DaskreecH> BajK: Where would you like help out?
[16:35] <BajK> DaskreecH: especially interface related things
[16:35] <BajK> or maybe just translation?
[16:36] <DaskreecH> BajK: Interface related things?
[16:37] <BajK> DaskreecH: Making dialogs more unified, easier to deal with and stuff
[16:37] <DaskreecH> BajK: e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and let her know youd like to get involved in KDE for Interfaces she might have a quick finger to point you somewhere useful
[16:37] <noaXess> BajK: i think there is evenanother problem.. i can't enable full performance for the cpu in battery monitor.. it isn't avaliable.. so i think the cpu is not running on highest power..
[16:37] <DaskreecH> She's part of the HIG developers
[16:38] <BajK> HIG?
[16:39] <DaskreecH> Human Interface Guideline
[16:39] <BajK> ah, nice :)
[16:39] <DaskreecH> how the applications should interface with the fleshy thingys
[16:39] <BajK> is there a “interface guideline” to read through or such, in msdn there‘s an Aero Guideline that explains where to use which gadget and how to place and specify them, is there such a document/library for KDE?
[16:43] <DaskreecH> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG
[16:47] <BajK> DaskreecH: thx
[16:47] <DaskreecH> BajK: Sure :)
[16:57] <BajK> "Don't make the menubar 'hideable', users may not easily be able to make the menubar viewable again" doesn't EVERY kde application offer that option? :D
[16:59] <DaskreecH> BajK: Yeah :-D
[16:59] <DaskreecH> I love it
[16:59] <BajK> DaskreecH: Yes, but it is really annoying that you have to un-hide the menu with Strg+M (or so) every time you want to access it
[16:59] <DaskreecH> most make it easy to get back or pop up a warning
[16:59] <BajK> It would be really nice if you just could press Alt to make it appeart temporarily
[16:59] <BajK> (already posted a suggestion in bugtracker)
[17:00] <DaskreecH> Hmm not sure if that's a good solution across all KDE apps but interesting
[17:01] <BajK> DaskreecH: why not? Press Ctrl-M to hide the menu (I'd love to do that in dolphin, but I need the menu bar far too often), then press Alt key (or F10 or whatever is the menu key), to temporary display it and it gets focus, then choose the option you like and then it disappears again
[17:01] <BajK> See; https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=249166
[17:02] <DaskreecH> Ah Alt+the modifier
[17:02] <DaskreecH> Yes that might work
[17:02] <BajK> DaskreecH: or so, press Alt+F and the file menu pops up
[17:02] <BajK> would be a really nice improvement
[17:03] <BajK> especially for the view menu, as most options are not available in folder right click menu (it so be changed in KDE 4.6 i think)
[17:06] <DaskreecH> BajK: Do you know the structure of KDE libs/base etc?
[17:07] <BajK> DaskreecH: ?
[17:08] <DaskreecH> BajK: basically how different parts of KDE relate to each other
[17:09] <vizque> hi @ all
[17:09] <DaskreecH> !hi | vizque
[17:09] <vizque> i have a short question: i've installed kubuntu 10min ago, everything went fine, but after installing the prop. graphic-card driver the composite won't work anymore
[17:10] <DaskreecH> restarted X of course/
[17:10] <DarthFrog> vizque: Go to System Settings and check which Desktop Effects are enabled.
[17:12] <BajK> DaskreecH: Never dealt with
[17:14] <Morydd> Anyone have an opinion on Amarok 2? Last time I tried it, I was not happy with it. But I'm wondering if updates since then have improved it?
[17:15] <BajK> Morydd: Compared to what?
[17:15] <vizque> they aren't enabled, if i enable them, they deactivate automatically if any desktop effect is triggered
[17:16] <DarthFrog> vizque: File a bug report?
[17:16] <BajK> The only really annoying thing for me is, you can't just play a song once and return to your playlist, you always have to add them to your playlist or replace it... for example with radio streams, they are handled like normal songs..
[17:17] <DarthFrog> vizque: which version of KDE are you running?  4.4 (default in Lucid) or 4.5 (in backports)?
[17:17] <vizque> DarthFrog, 4.4
[17:17] <vizque> i've changed nothing since the reinstall of the system
[17:18] <DaskreecH> Morydd: Why weren't you happy?
[17:18] <BajK> vizque: did you install the driver from nvidia.com or via repository?
[17:18] <DarthFrog> vizque: You might try upgrading to 4.5.  It's excellent.
[17:18] <DarthFrog> vizque: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[17:19] <vizque> thanks i'll try it
[17:21] <Morydd> DaskreecH: Mostly it seemed to be very incomplete in comparison to the last 1.x release. Podcast stuff and musicbrainz in particular
[17:22] <BajK> Morydd: I have not used Amarok 1, so I cannot tell which features 2 is missing ;)
[17:22] <DarthFrog> Morydd: There's a new beta out for Amarok 2.3.1 and it's in the kubuntu ppa repo.  I'm just installing it now.
[17:23] <BajK> Is the new Amarok beta only available for 10.10 or can I use it in 10.04?
[17:23] <DarthFrog> 10.04
[17:23] <DaskreecH> Morydd: It shipped with Podcast stuff (jsut in a really weird place) and musicbrainz is ... not really there but kinda you'd have to poke them to find out where they are they are going to a new structure for that
[17:24] <DarthFrog> Once I figured out how to get Shoutcast working with Amarok, I was a very happy camper. :-)
[17:24] <DaskreecH> DarthFrog: Shoutcast did a take down notice I think
[17:24] <DaskreecH> buggers
[17:25] <DarthFrog> DaskreecH: Take down notice?  To whom?
[17:26] <DaskreecH> FOSS clients as I recall
[17:26] <DarthFrog> Really?  Nuisance.  Why on earth would they want to do that?
[17:27]  * DaskreecH shrugs
[17:27] <BajK> Which Kubuntu iso image do I have to download for PCs having EFI instead of BIOS?
[17:28] <BajK> Kubuntu 10.10 with backports and amarok thingie says Amarok <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:28] <BajK> ah ok thats the current version I have in 10.04 as well
[17:31] <BajK> Is there a way of preventing Amarok of opening always on the screen where the mouse pointer is? I want amarok on the second screen EVERYTIME and not where my mouse pointer is
[17:32] <DaskreecH> BajK: set a rule in window behaviour
[17:32] <BajK> I did not need to do this in older amarok versions?
[17:33] <BajK> It should just stay where it is
[17:33] <BajK> I am used to hiding it using a shortcut, when I reopen it with the shortcut it used to appear where I left it, but now it is opening where my mouse pointer is, which is quite annoyiong
[17:34] <DaskreecH> oh
[17:34] <DaskreecH> hmm don't know about that one
[17:34] <BajK> have already submitted a wish/bugreport
[17:34] <DaskreecH> Far as I know it pops up where you have focus
[17:34] <DaskreecH> BajK: ask in #amarok if they had a reason behind that (philosphical of technical)
[17:36] <BajK> ok, just joined, thanks
[17:37] <DaskreecH> cool
[17:41] <owner> alacer
[17:41] <BajK> ehm how do I leave a query in quassel? o.O
[17:42] <owner> daskreeh
[17:42] <BajK> the button Leave does not work and the context menu also does not offer any useful tools for leaving that query
[17:51] <v3nd3tta``> leave a query?
[17:52] <v3nd3tta``> why do you want to leave a query, it isn't even a channel
[17:52] <v3nd3tta``> or a (official) channel
[17:52] <v3nd3tta``> it is like you would do /msg <queryguy> <message>
[17:53] <BajK> but it is still in my chat sidebar
[17:53] <BajK> i want it away :D
[17:53] <v3nd3tta``> uhm
[17:53] <v3nd3tta``> you don't want ONE shown or query's generally shown?
[17:53] <BajK> I just want to close a query with a person and thats it? o.O
[17:54] <BajK> why cannot I go with kopete into IRC anymore.. it was soo much better than quassel
[17:54] <v3nd3tta``> idk because it it just a kopete plugin?
[17:55] <v3nd3tta``> you can delete a query by rightclick and "delete Chat" , but that also deletes every word the query partner ever has written
[17:55] <v3nd3tta``> and you can do
[17:56] <BajK> ok, now its gone, but it could just state "Close Chat" and that'S it.. tooo complicated that thingie^^
[17:56] <v3nd3tta``> "hite chat" if you want to not show it anymore until the queryguy says again something
[17:56] <v3nd3tta``> uhm no
[17:56] <v3nd3tta``> it's a function
[17:56] <v3nd3tta``> if i want to look up what i said yesterday when i was drunken
[17:56] <v3nd3tta``> i can do it if i didn't delete the chat
[17:57] <BajK> yeah but hide chat should better be titled close chat.. Not everybody is an IRC expret...
[17:58] <BajK> but now I know, ok.
[17:58] <BajK> Man, I have depleted my plasma votes so quickly :D
[18:00] <BajK> hm, is there any solution or tip why I cannot receive any ICQ files with kopete?
[18:02] <v3nd3tta``> it's not ICQ itself... i don't know of any ICQ "Clients" than the default can recieve sended files
[18:02] <v3nd3tta``> but you could get an IRC Client with DDC and get the people into irc
[18:12] <BajK> Was the kdesudo dialog revamped in 10.10?
[18:12] <BajK> So that it looks like the policy kit notifications "Permission is neccessary for installing packages"? the neat sqare dialog with that huge key on it? or it is still that ugly dialog?
[18:24] <nebula_> sofware for webdesign+flash for kubuntu...?
[18:24] <nebula_> help
[18:25] <DaskreecH> BajK: really? I've always been able to get ICQ files
[18:25] <James147> !info quanta | nebula_
[18:26] <nebula_> James147, a for ubuntu ?
[18:26] <James147> nebula_: its a kde program... can be used in ubuntu or kubuntu...
[18:26] <BajK> DarthFrog: I cannot. At least not if the opponent uses ICQ 7. When he uses pidgin or Miranda or so it works
[18:26] <James147> nebula_: if you want a gnome one ask in #ubuntu
[18:27] <BajK> DarthFrog: But I see the file transfer, if I click accept, the progress window appears in systemtray but nothing happens, it just stays at 0
[18:27] <DaskreecH> BajK: Hm ok haven't tried it with 7
[18:27] <nebula_> James147, others alternative ???
[18:27] <BajK> DarthFrog: all my friends use ICQ 7 so that is why
[18:27] <DaskreecH> ah
[18:28] <BajK> I had to create an upload script on my apache server.. I can send files though with full 250kb/s but cannot receive any
[18:28] <BajK> in MSN it works (though slow )
[18:28] <James147> nebula_: only know of that one... I dont really do any web development
[18:28] <BajK> DarthFrog: oh, well, I think with the new router I havent opened the neccessary ports but I don't think that‘s the problem
[18:28] <BajK> but Ill try
[18:29] <mweijts> !info kompozer | nebula
[18:29] <mweijts> !info bluefish | nebula
[18:30] <DarthFrog> BajK: I think you mean DaskreecH and not me. :-)
[18:30] <DaskreecH> Shhhhhh
[18:30] <BajK> DarthFrog: oh youre right :D
[18:31] <BajK> So, accepted transfer
[18:31] <BajK> Source: Kopete:/file.doc, Target: /home/blabla/file.doc
[18:31] <BajK> 0 B / 37,0kiB
[18:32] <BajK> still noting
[18:33] <BajK> ok, changed some settings
[18:33] <BajK> *test*
[18:34] <BajK> Accepted
[18:34] <BajK> now the whole transfer windows stays blank :D
[18:35] <BajK> Source: kopete:/blabla Destination: blabla 0B / 37,0kiB
[18:35] <BajK> does not work -.-
[18:36] <BajK> and in Jabber same, nothing happens
[18:36] <BajK> It works in pidgin just fine, though!!
[18:42] <BajK> How does that "login on remote computer" work in KDM?
[18:43] <DaskreecH> BajK: You login but on a remote computer
[18:43] <DaskreecH> XDMCP is the method. You can read up on it
[18:57] <syslq> Where does external share (smb share) gets mounted in kde? I mounted it trough point and click
[18:58] <DarthFrog> syslq: Issue the "mount" command from a CLI.  It'll tell you where everything is mounted.  You don't need superuser privileges either.
[19:00] <syslq> DarthFrog: what was I thinking... thanks :)
[19:12] <maple> 好困啊
[19:14] <BajK> maple: wrong codepage?
[19:15] <maple> 困@！
[19:15] <ubuntu> Hey!
[19:15] <ubuntu> I just wanted to say that kubuntu is the best OS ever! :D
[19:15] <maple> 试下看有没人看的懂我打什么 哈哈
[19:16] <maple> ubuntu: maybe@!
[19:20] <maple> ubuntulo1:
[19:33] <slow-motion> hi
[19:34] <elslunko> hello
[20:10] <erickomari> Hi
[20:28]  * matej ...
[20:28] <matej> Hi :-)
[20:28] <rek> hi i installed win 7 after kubuntu so i lost my grub how can i find the boot prompt to do a rescue?
[20:29] <rek> was something like boot: rescue... then grub-install /dev/sda
[20:30] <James147> rek: you installed win 7s boot loader to the mbr... to recover it you need to reinstall grub to the mbr, your gona need a live cd to do that though :)
[20:30] <James147> !grub2 | rek
[20:30] <look_> oh hai rek
[20:35] <rek> James147: what can i type
[20:36] <James147> rek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202  << read that
[20:52] <chaaya> i'm having a strange sound issue -- background: installed KDE over Gnome in current ubuntu -- have removed pulse-audio. I have system sounds (eg, login sund, etc.) but amarok does not produce any sound, and when a track is 'played' -- the shuttle shoots rapidly across the screen.
[20:54] <rek> hi
[20:54] <rek> i didn't see the grub but i booted linx finally
[20:54] <rek> what does this mean?
[20:54] <James147> chaaya: should like you dont have the codecs... install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:55] <chaaya> james147 -- fwiw, it was working with streaming audio last night
[20:55] <James147> rek: means it only knows about one OS.. hold shift during boot to force it to display the menu
[20:57] <chaaya> ha. awesome nick, RiotingPacifist :-)
[20:58] <chaaya> James147: ok, and it works. danke :-)
[21:04] <rek> hi
[21:04] <apparle> hi guys
[21:04] <look_> rek: did it work?
[21:12] <rek> what would happen if i install grub in dev/sda3 where there's windows ?
[21:13] <DarthFrog> You'd regret doing so.
[21:13] <DarthFrog> If you wish to install GRUB to a partition, install it in your linux partition.
[21:13] <chaaya> over and out ladies and gentleman. thanks again James147! good luck rek
[21:13] <rek> thx
[21:14] <DarthFrog> rek: However if you do so, you better have some way of pointing whatever boot loader you use to that linux partition.
[21:14] <rek> what?
[21:15] <DarthFrog> rek: If that made no sense to you, then don't install GRUB to a partition.
[21:15] <rek> how
[21:15] <rek> but i need to install it
[21:16] <rek> you mean by changins smthng in grub.cfg
[21:16] <DarthFrog> rek: How?  Well it depends on the individual boot loader.  With GRUB in your linux partition, the actual boot loader simply needs to hand the boot process off to that partition (i.e. chain-load).
[21:17] <DarthFrog> rek: Changing things in grub.cfg won't do a pinch bit of good if it's not the actual boot loader in the MBR.
[21:17] <rek> DarthFrog: now it is in dev sda
[21:17] <DarthFrog> rek: And if all that is gobbledy-gook to you, then you don't want to go there.  You could and probably will make your system unbootable.
[21:18] <DarthFrog> rek: That's where it belongs unless you have a specific reason for having it elsewhere.  eg.  if you want to use the Windows bootloader to load Linux.
[21:18] <DarthFrog> rek: But it's much simpler to have GRUB boot both Windows and Linux.
[21:19] <rek> how
[21:19] <rek> my grub sees linux but not win why? and in grub.cfg i saw he knows there's win on dev sda3
[21:19] <DarthFrog> rek: Install Ubuntu after installing Windows.  Then it's done automagically for you.
[21:20] <DarthFrog> rek: Then run this command: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[21:24] <vbgunz> my hibernation completely broke. long story short. I got a new ssd. I installed kubuntu 10.4. and during installation I chose no swap partition (I thought a swap file would be better). longer story short, I ended up creating a swap partition on my hdd. I did the whole swapon, fstab edit and my swap is persistent. unlike before though, its never ever used (my ram will exhaust and swap still won't be used). hibernation just doesn't work :(
[21:25] <vbgunz> im on a machine in which every piece worked flawlessly with hibernate. im not sure if the new ssd is causing the problem. how do I troubleshoot this and find out?
[21:28] <rek> hi
[21:28] <rek> i am the winner
[21:28] <rek> rek wins now
[21:29] <rek> all it's working
[21:30] <DarthFrog> rek: You're the winner!  Excellent.  I want my cut. :-)
[21:30] <rek> Danboy wins
[21:30] <rek> cut? u mean money?
[21:31] <rek> danboy told me to update and install the grub
[21:31] <rek> i think i did the same thing but rebooting the machine and running linux helped
[21:32] <rek> you told me a strange word i will learn : gobbledy-gook to me
[21:33] <wolffie> hi ppl
[21:33] <DarthFrog> rek: I take it that you're not a native speaker of English?  "Gobbledy-gook" means nonsense.
[21:34] <rek> DarthFrog: unfortunately i'm not a native speaker... i'm italian
[21:34] <wolffie> anybody know how to install kubuntu 10.04.1lts on a compaq cq61 sa320
[21:36] <wolffie> i'll take that as a no then
[21:36] <wolffie> i only ask because it freezes at the KDE start screen
[21:37] <wolffie> kubuntu net remix seems to work though even though it's a laptop
[21:50] <wolffie> so much for support i#ve seen more support in a collapsed lung
[22:20] <pity77> hola
[22:33] <rek> hi
[22:33] <rek> how can i mount my drives in kubuntu? is there any options in dolphin ?
[22:43] <rek> hei
[22:47] <ozank> Hi guys. I am testing 10.10 alpha3, and everything seems perfect except I couldn't get sound working. Do you know of a guide or howto that can help me?
[23:07] <adversary> hello everyone
[23:12] <look> dude
[23:12] <look> my Xchat is awesome
[23:12] <look> oh wait wrong channel
[23:16] <jo_link_noir> bonjour, quelque si connait un peu en script kate ?
[23:16] <James147_> !fr | jo_link_noir
[23:19] <Triela> I just installed the wireless driver but now when I click on network manager, under "wireless network" it says "wireless is diable". How do i enable it?
[23:52] <sludlali> hi al


[18:42] <akgraner> pleia2, nhandler did you try out fridge.ubuntu.com?
[18:43] <pleia2> looks like it's redirecting to ubuntu-news.org :)
[18:43] <pleia2> akgraner: you never posted jono's blog yesterday, I'm pretty busy right now but I can get to it later if you can't
[18:43] <akgraner> I didn't realize they had sync'd the content so I need to re-add the Weekly qa story
[18:43] <pleia2> just let me know :)
[18:43] <pleia2> oh
[18:44] <akgraner> I posted the weekly qa one
[18:44] <pleia2> I see, ubuntu-news.org has it's dns updated!
[18:44] <pleia2> gotcha :)
[18:44] <pleia2> cool, login with openid is working
[18:44] <pleia2> \o/
[18:44] <pleia2> (that was one thing we couldn't properly test)
[18:44] <pleia2> looks great akgraner :)
[18:45] <akgraner> so I'll figure out what all is missing an re-post
[18:51] <pleia2> we probably still have the question of redirects, but I need to get back to work
[18:52] <akgraner> k
[18:52] <akgraner> so the CLS post is the one that still needs to go up
[18:53] <akgraner> if I got to Ubuntu-news.org I see the QA one but if I go to fridge.ubuntu.com I don't see it
[18:53] <akgraner> weird
[18:53] <akgraner> I'll figure it out later I've been at the doctor's office with a sick kid all morning so I need to get a little work done as well
[18:59] <akgraner> hmmm so how do we add stuff - I see it on Ubuntu.news.org but not on the link to the Fridge...Ok I need to look into this one.. I've missed a step somewhere
[19:06] <akgraner> I think I am still pointed to the old ubuntu-news.org  grrrr
[20:05] <Pendulum> pleia2: are you around for a quick chat?
[22:14] <nhandler> So should we hold off posting to the fridge for now?
[23:10] <akgraner> nhandler, are you having trouble as well
[23:10] <akgraner> I emailed Charlie et all on the RT ticket to let them know
[23:11] <akgraner> I thought it might be something I was doing wrong but I can't for the life of me figure out what is
[23:11] <nhandler> akgraner: I'm not fully sure what changes they have done. Right now, it looks like fridge.ubuntu.com is just pointing to the ubuntu-news.org we have setup.
[23:11] <nhandler> I haven't really looked closely though at the dns settings
[23:11] <akgraner> nhandler, go to fridge.ubuntu.com
[23:12] <akgraner> and see the page it re-directs you to
[23:12] <akgraner> then in another tab or window go to ubuntu-news.org and look at that page
[23:12] <akgraner> they should in theory match but they don't
[23:12] <akgraner> or at least when I do it they don't
[23:14] <nhandler> akgraner: fridge.ubuntu.com literally redirects me to ubuntu-news.org (I even see ubuntu-news.org in the address bar). It matches afaict what I see when I go directly to ubuntu-news.org. I would suggest you try using the private browsing mode or clear your cache
[23:14] <pleia2> nhandler: ubuntu-news.org is on a canonical ip now
[23:14] <akgraner> ok let me try that.. I see the new stuff I posted on ubuntu-news.org but I don't see it if I go to fridge.ubuntu.com
[23:15] <pleia2> Pendulum: work has kept me quite busy today, ping me later? (in 2 hours or so I should be free)
[23:15] <nhandler> pleia2: Alright. I thought I saw something about that a while ago (in an email sent from ubuntu-news.org that went through a canonical mail server)
[23:15] <Pendulum> pleia2: sounds good :)
[23:39] <akgraner> ok I found my problem
[23:39] <akgraner> I'll add those other stories now
[23:40] <akgraner> I had to delete and entry from my host table
[23:45] <akgraner> I'll add the Alpha 2 release info as well while I am in here


[00:12] <wgrant> ScottK: The reporter made it private just after it was filed.
[00:52] <ScottK> wgrant: Fun.  I guess I won't worry about figuring out how to fix it.  Pretty sure he had the package upstream provides installed and then installed the backports version over it.
[00:53] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:04] <om26er_> who works on launchpad these days ?
[16:07] <cjwatson> why?


[04:38] <G_009> !swat
[04:38] <linkinxp> hello .... why am i getting this same error???......https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-November/010526.html
[04:38] <linkinxp> help!
[05:10] <IdleOne> I hate when people put . ( periods ) at the end or the beginning of a http link.
[05:10] <IdleOne> ever try to navigate to.www.google.com?
[05:10] <IdleOne> it's impossible
[05:43] <RAOF> IdleOne: What terminal emulator are you using?  My gnome-terminal handles them just fine.
[09:16] <hyperair> RAOF: not everyone uses a terminal based irc client
[09:16] <hyperair> *cli based
[09:53] <baron1984> is kerneloops in Intrepid yet?
[10:39] <baron1984> is kerneloops in Intrepid yet?
[10:57] <RAOF> hyperair: Man, you're right.  I totally forgot.
[11:01] <hyperair> RAOF: lol. nice long conversation we have here
[12:31] <BonezAU> I have an Intel wireless card, 3945... the correct module is loaded. Using Alpha 2. Anyone got any tips on getting it to work? Network manager shows no available wireless networks and a manual connect does not work either
[12:31] <s0u][ight> BonezAU, firmware?
[12:32] <BonezAU> what about it?
[12:36] <s0u][ight> is it loaded?
[13:10]  * baron1984 hunts down and murders the person who thought of ACPI
[13:10] <baron1984> and everyone who's ever looked at him
[13:10] <baron1984> grrrrrrrrrr
[13:11] <TheInfinity> baron1984: you need acpi at all ;)
[13:12] <baron1984> uhhhm, it's polluting my system logs, and I really really like being able to start the machine back up in 3 seconds?
[13:12] <TheInfinity> then you have a bad bios *g*
[13:12] <baron1984> no crap
[13:12] <baron1984> I hadn't noticed
[13:13] <baron1984> Fedora comes back and then freezes if I go to reboot later
[13:13] <baron1984> Ubuntu 8.04 just falls over and dies
[13:13] <TheInfinity> most acpi implementations are quite strange because the devs just look at windows
[13:13] <TheInfinity> and if windows works its ok
[13:13] <baron1984> and 8.10 Alpha 2 will come back up but not bring the monitor with it
[13:14] <baron1984> of course I'm not having luck with sound or video on Intrepid
[13:14] <baron1984> else I'd probably just try implementing a quirk
[13:14] <TheInfinity> baron1984: what computer do you have? :o
[13:14] <baron1984> I replaced a dead motherboard
[13:15]  * TheInfinity never had problems with his hardware. ok i just buy apple and ibm, but ... ;)
[13:15] <baron1984> with what appeared to be a nicer one
[13:15] <baron1984> http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/if-you-cant-be-good-be-sneaky-how-ubuntu-handles-acpi-failures/
[13:15] <baron1984> http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/just-a-thank-you-to-microsoft-and-some-comical-foxconn-bios-update-humor/
[13:16] <baron1984> the second one is funnier
[13:16] <TheInfinity> i never heard of foxconn ... :o
[13:16] <baron1984> they're terrible
[13:16] <baron1984> AWFUL
[13:17] <TheInfinity> they are not sold in germany
[13:17] <baron1984> their update utility is written in engrish
[13:17] <baron1984> short choppy Chinese to English translation
[13:17] <baron1984> "Backuping your BIOS"
[13:17] <baron1984> I swear to god
[13:17] <baron1984> it said that
[13:18] <baron1984> among other things
[13:18] <TheInfinity> baron1984: so why did you buy this mb? ;)
[13:18] <baron1984> if I wasn't so horrified, I might have taken screenshots
[13:18] <baron1984> it *looked* like a good deal
[13:18] <baron1984> hardware wise, it probably is
[13:18] <baron1984> the BIOS sucks
[13:19] <TheInfinity> saving some money by buying completely nameless hardware is almost always a bad idea ...
[13:19] <TheInfinity> most times you have to buy it again ...
[13:20] <baron1984> Foxconn is not nameless
[13:20] <baron1984> Foxconn makes some major stuff
[13:20] <baron1984> I thought they'd be safe
[13:20] <TheInfinity> dont know, in germany it is completely nameless, i never saw any offline- or onlinestore who has this ;)
[13:20] <baron1984> Foxconn makes motherboards for PS3's, XBOX 360's
[13:20] <baron1984> they make ipods
[13:22] <baron1984> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186123&Tpk=foxconn%2bg33m-s
[13:22] <baron1984> they haven't put my review up yet
[13:22] <baron1984> wonder if they will ;)
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> soylent silicon is people!
[13:23] <baron1984> yeah, the board runs Vista fantastically
[13:23] <baron1984> unfortunately it's a OEM copy of Vista
[13:23] <baron1984> that freaks out when it sees my new board
[13:24] <baron1984> I should just call Microsoft and whine until they let me reactivate it
[13:25] <baron1984> TheInfinity: So how hard would it be for Linux ACPI to act like Windows ACPI then?
[13:25] <baron1984> seems like what it should do
[13:25] <TheInfinity> baron1984: its like HTML just written for internet explorer
[13:26] <baron1984> right, as long as it works, who cares?
[13:26] <TheInfinity> firefox / opera / etc users care a lot
[13:26] <baron1984> almost nobody switched to a different browser over that
[13:26] <baron1984> they did it cause of spyware and cause IE hadn't had any new features that were *visible to them* in years
[13:27] <TheInfinity> same with acpi - windows has some strange additional features, sometimes added by special drivers
[13:27] <baron1984> I wonder what it would do if I threw all the quirks at it
[13:27] <baron1984> at once
[13:28] <TheInfinity> linux cant make it the in same way because windows acpi has some strange reactions and is closed source - so you cant implement it in linux
[13:28] <Pici> I know this channel isn't busy now, but its still for Intrepid issues only.  Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic or discuss whatever in ##windows, or ##hardware.
[13:28] <TheInfinity> k
[13:28] <baron1984> this is an intrepid issue
[13:28] <baron1984> acpi no worky
[13:29] <baron1984> for whatever good it will do, I'll file a bug on it with Red Hat and Canonical
[13:30] <baron1984> with my system log snippets
[13:31] <TheInfinity> baron1984: make a bugreport at launchpad. there you will find help (perhaps). and try booting with noacpi.
[13:31] <baron1984> TheInfinity: Is there a reliable way to flash a BIOS in Linux?
[13:31] <baron1984> TheInfinity: Some of my ACPI works
[13:31] <TheInfinity> baron1984: best way is still DOS bootdisk
[13:31] <baron1984> processor throttling and such
[13:31] <baron1984> no floppy drive
[13:32] <TheInfinity> you can burn it to a cd-rw
[13:32] <TheInfinity> i have no floppy for years ;)
[13:35] <baron1984> heh, I just installed Vista long enough to flash before I installed Fedora
[13:36] <baron1984> suppose I probably could do that with one of my old IDE hard disks
[13:36] <baron1984> keep it around with a copy of Vista on it every time I want to flash my BIOS
[13:36] <baron1984> hehehe
[14:58] <mrtimdog> Hi, I've got red and white strips on my console, I think it's probably as I've got no gettys running (SSH access ok). Any idea why this might be?
[14:58] <mrtimdog> They're defined in /etc/event.d/tty*, but don't get started...?
[16:22] <thebishop> Are there any good "Screenshot Tours" of Intrepid?  Also, are there artwork/UI mockups posted online?
[16:51] <TheInfinity> thebishop: its alpha and artwork is not done
[16:52] <TheInfinity> so it does not really make sense
[17:01] <thebishop> TheInfinity, what's the development process like for something so subjective?  I'm really interested in how UI design gets done in a community project
[17:01] <TheInfinity> thebishop: theres a wiki page for ubuntu artwork development
[17:02] <TheInfinity> if you ask in ubuntu-devel you will get some guys who are responsible for artwork. they like if somebody helps them ;)
[17:02] <thebishop> TheInfinity, you got a link to the Wiki?
[17:02] <TheInfinity> google: wiki ubuntu? ;)
[17:02] <TheInfinity> and perhaps artwork?
[17:03] <baron1984> TheInfinity: I just installed the latest kernel.org kernel on that box
[17:03] <baron1984> and ACPI related stuff all works
[17:04] <TheInfinity> :)
[17:04] <TheInfinity> then kernel devs already got this problem :)
[17:04] <baron1984> means Intrepid and Fedora 10 should both support that board
[17:04] <thebishop> anyone else having problems with Intel HDA sound not working after resuming from Suspend/Hibernate?
[17:04] <baron1984> and only 2 years late
[17:06] <TheInfinity> it takes some time when ACPI from a bios is broken because a kernel dev has to code a fix just for this mainboard
[17:06] <baron1984> it doesn't help that Intel makes purposely broken crap for their desktop boards
[17:07] <baron1984> so that by the time they're properly supported, they're WAY too old to be a good server
[17:07] <TheInfinity> baron1984: server chipsets dont need suspend :p
[17:08] <baron1984> I know, but just a few months ago, Linux wouldn't even boot on this board
[17:08] <baron1984> unless you did some really horrible things to it
[17:08] <TheInfinity> and intel is excellent for server boards - but server boards also need a good bios - which does not seem to be added on your board
[17:10] <baron1984> thats what I mean
[17:10] <baron1984> if you could spend $100 on a cheap desktop board and use it just the same
[17:10] <baron1984> they'd be screwed
[17:11] <baron1984> I've noticed that if anything on an Intel board *does* actually work, it's usually cause it's just "close enough" to something on a server board
[17:11] <MGrunde> Is Alpha 3 reasonably on schedule to be released on Thursday?
[17:11] <baron1984> the only place I've had good luck using Linux as a desktop is on AMD
[17:12] <TheInfinity> baron1984: btw you miss your problem - ACPI is a bios problem, and bios has nothing to do with the chipset used on the board
[17:13] <baron1984> then why was Linux having problems on pretty much all G33's?
[17:13] <baron1984> regardless of BIOS
[17:13] <TheInfinity> there are also chipset probs, yes, but your prob it typical for broken bios ;)
[17:19]  * DanaG uses Linux as a desktop on his Intel laptop.
[17:19] <DanaG> But I do have a broken BIOS -- sometimes my thermal zone temperature will randomly jump to a bogus high reading (such as 61 or 66 or 72 C) and stick there... and the fan will spin up accordingly.
[17:19] <DanaG> It happens under Windows (Vista), too.
[17:20] <baron1984> this Foxconn board defaults to fans at 100%
[17:20] <baron1984> you have to set it to auto yourself
[18:13] <linux1_> ppl i really ike the new nautilus view of how may items are in the folders
[18:26] <baron1984> they need to give Intrepid's repo an enema
[18:26] <baron1984> there is so much stuff in here that is either depending on packages from Hardy, or IS a package from Hardy......grrrrr
[18:34] <w00t_> baron1984, it's worth remembering that it is currently alpha quality, and how software usually evolves from the version before it?
[18:35] <baron1984> I just got back the most heinous reply from Foxconn
[18:35] <baron1984> I need to blog, hehe
[21:37] <w00t> is there any information/resources available on how to package programs? I'd like to package an application I develop for intrepid
[21:51] <jonpackard> w00t: Have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[21:52] <w00t> much appreciated :)
[21:52] <jonpackard> it's filed under 6.10.. let me see if I can find a more recent version
[21:53] <jonpackard> here's the better link: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ - I think it's the same thing
[21:54] <w00t> hopefully I'll get around to doing it then :)


[05:57] <Lirth> I'm trying to change the clock settings to show decimal time instead of standard (it's a little experiment) but I can't find anything online. Is there a way to adjust the length of hours, minutes, and seconds? I'd like to have 10 hours a day, 1000 minutes per day (100 per hour) and 100,000,000 seconds per day (100 per minute, 1,000,000 per hour). I'm pretty sure the parentheses numbers are right, but please correct me on that also.
[14:58] <ashickur-noor> Hi
[20:06] <Lirth> Anyone have some skills adjusting the clock to show custom time?
[21:10] <nlsthzn> Hey BT...
[21:10] <benonsoftware> Hello nlsthzn
[21:11] <nlsthzn> I need some assistance... in this thread a user needs assistance installing Radeon drivers (seems to be an issue with them getting a black screen on start-up sometimes) - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1912713 anyone have any good links etc?
[22:46] <Lirth> When installing Ubuntu on another computer, I don't have the automated version to create partitions for dual boot with Windows. Any idea why that may be?