[00:12] <randomusername> hello?
[00:13] <randomusername> seems to be working
[00:13] <randomusername> hi there
[00:13] <wgrant> Hi.
[00:13] <randomusername> hi wgrant
[00:13] <randomusername> wgrant, can you tell me if are there any launchpad dev/support members here?
[00:14] <wgrant> Not many, since it's the weekend for most people, but there are still some.
[00:14] <wgrant> Ask your question, and someone will answer if they know.
[00:14] <randomusername> thanks
[00:14] <randomusername> "Thank you for your question concerning your Launchpad login that you are  experiencing. Case #number has been created and a support analyst  will get back to you within the next 24 hours."
[00:14] <randomusername> this was sent to me... two days ago
[00:15] <randomusername> tl;dr - after the 9/9 outage, my account got deleted
[00:15] <wgrant> What's the symptom?
[00:16] <wgrant> Can you no longer log in?
[00:16] <randomusername> when I logged in two days ago I went to an account that wasn't mine at all
[00:16] <wgrant> Ahh.
[00:17] <randomusername> and my account URL always point to OOPS
[00:17] <wgrant> What's the URL?
[00:17] <randomusername> my deceased username is ~tiagosilva
[00:17] <randomusername> I am now ~tiagosilva29 for some reason
[00:18] <wgrant> randomusername: So, ~tiagosilva doesn't OOPS for me.
[00:18] <wgrant> Does it for you?
[00:18] <randomusername> yeap
[00:19] <randomusername> I'm at home right now
[00:19] <randomusername> and at work is the same thing
[00:20] <randomusername> we browse via a proxy hosted in another country, and it's the same
[00:20] <wgrant> And you're logged in as ~tiagosilva29?
[00:20] <randomusername> when I log in I goto tiagosilva29
[00:20] <wgrant> And you get the OOPS when you're logged in?
[00:20] <slangasek> hi, I'm having persistent timeouts trying to file a bug against the ubuntu kernel package with apport; is there a known issue?
[00:21] <slangasek> oh n/m, apparently '/join #launchpad' was the magic rune to make it go through
[00:21] <slangasek> kthx ;)
[00:21] <randomusername> OOPS in ~tiagosilva ?
[00:21] <wgrant> randomusername: Yes.
[00:21] <randomusername> it's persistent
[00:21] <wgrant> slangasek: As in "Sorry, we couldn't connect to the Launchpad server" timeouts? or timeouts with an OOPS ID?
[00:21] <wgrant> Bah.
[00:21] <randomusername> logged in/out = same result, OOPS
[00:23] <randomusername> wgrant: I just logged in, and now I'm ~tiagosilva29
[00:23] <wgrant> randomusername: Ah, interesting.
[00:23] <wgrant> ~tiagosilva oopses on launchpad.net, but not edge.launchpad.net.
[00:23] <wgrant> OOPS-1714K1846
[00:23] <ubot5`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1714K1846
[00:23] <randomusername> https://launchpad.net/~tiagosilva29 -> I just posted HELLO WGRUNT in that profile
[00:24] <randomusername> wgrant: I confirm that ~tiagosilva via edge is me
[00:25] <randomusername> aka the advice dog guy who hates easter eggs and translates more that it should
[00:25] <wgrant> Heh.
[00:27] <randomusername> as this issue occurred before?
[00:27] <wgrant> Not that I've seen, no.
[00:27] <wgrant> I'm poking around to see what changed.
[00:28] <randomusername> do you want me to stay out of launchpad for a while?
[00:28] <randomusername> or openid
[00:35] <wgrant> randomusername: So, I can't obviously see what's wrong.
[00:36] <wgrant> randomusername: You gave a reference above to a support case -- is that from the link on login.launchpad.net?
[00:36] <wgrant> If so, I suggest waiting for a response from them.
[00:36] <randomusername> Case #00012729 has been created and a support analyst will get back to you within the next 24 hours.
[00:37] <randomusername> got this two days ago on an email
[00:38] <wgrant> Can you add to that case the information we've established here? Your new and old usernames, the fact that your old one OOPSes on production with OOPS-1714K1846 but is fine on edge, and anything else that seems relevant?
[00:38] <ubot5`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1714K1846
[00:39] <randomusername> wgrant: it doesn't just oops with -1714K1846
[00:39] <wgrant> Well, it will get a different code each time.
[00:40] <randomusername> ah, that I did not know
[00:40] <wgrant> 1714 identifies the day, K identifies the server, and 1846 is just a sequence number for that server today.
[00:40] <randomusername> where do I have to log in to insert what you posted above?
[00:40] <wgrant> I have no idea, sorry. I've never used ISD's support system.
[00:40] <wgrant> Maybe try replying to the email?
[00:41] <randomusername> reply -><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:41] <randomusername> nogo
[00:41] <randomusername> so I'll just have to wait for an answer
[00:47] <randomusername> wgrant: gonna forward this to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:48] <randomusername> and hope for the better
[00:48] <wgrant> randomusername: Sounds like a reasonable idea.
[00:48] <wgrant> randomusername: Make sure you include all the information I suggested.
[00:49] <randomusername> all done
[00:51] <randomusername> info sent
[00:51] <randomusername> thanks for the help wgrant
[00:52] <wgrant> randomusername: Great. Hopefully you'll get a response soon.
[00:52] <wgrant> But maybe not until Monday.
[00:52] <randomusername> it's fine
[00:53] <randomusername> thanks again
[01:26] <yofel> is something wrong with the ppa buildds?  since a while ago I see it frequently that builds start delayed, like https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+build/1954695 which is currently building for 15min whithout the buildd actually doing anything. Before that it tried to build on another one and was simply reset to 'needs building' after a while
[01:28] <wgrant> yofel: Known scaling issue. There have been a few fixes in the last couple of months, and the last bit might be happening next week.
[01:28] <yofel> k, thanks
[01:58]  * maxb looks askance at the kdepim code import which has now been running for 24 hours
[01:59] <maxb> Just how slow a machine is galapagos anyway? :-/
[02:01] <wgrant> maxb: The name might be a good hint.
[02:02] <wgrant> (There is a Galapagos Penguin. Penguin species were Canonical's first machine naming convention.)
[02:05] <maxb> Meanwhile the import on neumayer looks like it's got another day of "determining revprop revisions" before it starts fetching anything
[02:07] <maxb> I'm seriously tempted to keep poking it until it restarts on pear
[02:07] <wgrant> I think throughput would be increased if the russkaya/neumayer/galapagos were just disabled.
[02:14] <maxb> it would be entirely useful if ~vcs-imports still let you quiesce importds :-(
[02:27] <maxb> *right* having chased lp:kdepim onto pear, maybe it now has a hope of actually importing
[02:30] <wgrant> maxb: How did you manage that?
[05:07] <maxb> wgrant: bombarding the importds with requests to import other kde branches to trigger a sqlite locking fail, to get it off the ones I didn't want, then refreshing +code-imports/+machines a lot and choosing an opportune moment to retry
[05:21] <wgrant> maxb: Ahh, I forgot you could get them to fail like that.
[05:21] <wgrant> Handy.
[07:47] <MTecknology>  Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[07:47] <MTecknology> :(
[07:47] <MTecknology> wgrant: you guys doing something?
[07:48] <MTecknology> you guys have two different try again pages?
[07:49] <wgrant> MTecknology: Which URL?
[07:49] <MTecknology> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug/5197f7d4-bd6f-11df-a895-0019bbccd75c
[07:49] <wgrant> Ah.
[07:49] <MTecknology> I'm trying to file an apport bug
[07:49] <wgrant> Known issue.
[07:49] <wgrant> Keep trying.
[07:49] <MTecknology> oh
[07:49] <wgrant> It should work eventually.
[07:49] <wgrant> Possibly a firewall issue.
[07:49] <MTecknology> what's the issue with it?
[07:49] <MTecknology> on my side?
[07:50] <wgrant> No.
[07:50] <wgrant> Launchpad-side.
[07:50] <wgrant> Although the fact it's always kernel bugs may put an end to the firewall hypothesis.
[07:50] <MTecknology> lol.. I was going to file another kernel bug right after
[07:50] <MTecknology> any chance it's because of the absolutely massive file upload size?
[07:51] <MTecknology> this was 11.7MB
[07:51] <wgrant> I suspected that.
[07:51] <wgrant> But maybe not.
[07:51] <MTecknology> :P
[07:52] <MTecknology> *sniffle*
[07:52] <wgrant> Could you stop trying to file it for a sec, while I poke around?
[07:52] <MTecknology> sure
[07:54] <wgrant> :(
[07:54] <wgrant> The data from it is trivially small.
[07:55] <wgrant> So the error occurs after you enter the summary and description, and click the final submission button?
[07:56] <wgrant> MTecknology: ^^
[07:56] <MTecknology> ya
[07:56] <MTecknology> I get two different 'Please try again' pages too - one centered and one off to the left
[07:57] <wgrant> Interesting.
[08:01] <MTecknology> wgrant: I don't like this :( make it better so I do this -> :) <- instead
[08:02] <wgrant> Aha.
[08:02] <wgrant> Reproduced on staging.
[08:02] <wgrant> WTFery++
[08:02] <MTecknology> uh?
[08:02] <MTecknology> oh... disable redirect and pop off edge?
[08:03] <wgrant> No.
[08:03] <wgrant> Production is broken too.
[08:03] <MTecknology> ok, so you're playing?
[08:03] <wgrant> I am.
[08:04] <MTecknology> WTFery... I had to look that up on urban dictionary -_-
[08:04] <wgrant> Heh.
[08:06] <MTecknology> wgrant: should I keep trying it?
[08:06] <wgrant> MTecknology: I'd say so.
[08:06] <wgrant> Others have said that it works eventually, and it's easy enough for us to reproduce.
[08:08] <MTecknology> If I go to sleep and save the page, maybe I could try in the morning too?
[08:08] <wgrant> I'm not sure how long the token will last.
[08:13] <MTecknology> lifeless: You happen to know if I could retry in the morning?
[08:14] <MTecknology> maybe I'll give up and just file the bug myself - might be easier
[08:14] <lifeless> I don't know the delete frequency for unused attachments
[08:14] <lifeless> probablt a week or so
[08:14] <lifeless> AFACT this is just slow code
[08:15] <wgrant> But slow code shouldn't cause a timeout like this... unless it has lots and lots of non-SQL seconds.
[08:15] <lifeless> SQL time: 13812 ms
[08:15] <lifeless> Non-sql time: 345 ms
[08:15] <lifeless> Total time: 14157 ms
[08:15] <lifeless> Statement Count: 42
[08:15] <MTecknology> is that what you were talking about in -dev?
[08:15] <MTecknology> I'm too tired to comprehend it..
[08:16] <lifeless> wgrant: LaunchpadTimeoutError: Statement: 'SELECT BinaryPackagePublishingHistory.archive, BinaryPackagePublishingHistory.binarypackagerelease, BinaryPackagePublishingHistory.component, BinaryPackagePublishingHistory.datecreated,
[08:16] <lifeless> s305
[08:16] <lifeless> there is three seconds between
[08:16] <lifeless> SELECT SourcePackageName.id, SourcePackageName.name FROM SourcePackageName WHERE SourcePackageName.name = %s
[08:16] <lifeless> and
[08:16] <wgrant> lifeless: That probably isn't it. If it was an SQL timeout, the appserver would have been killed and responded in time.
[08:16] <lifeless> SELECT DISTINCT SourcePackagePublishingHistory.archive, SourcePackagePublishingHistory.component, SourcePackagePublishingHistory.datecreated, SourcePackagePublishingHistory.datemadepending, SourcePackagePublishingHistory.datepublished, SourcePackagePublishingHistory.dateremoved,
[08:17] <lifeless> note that staging runs at loads of 6 or more
[08:17] <lifeless> regularly
[08:17] <wgrant> ........ ew.
[08:17] <lifeless> timeouts there currently mean almost nothing
[08:17] <wgrant> Well, yes, I don't care about the real timeouts that I was able to see. I care about the request that hung past the proxy's threshold.
[08:17] <lifeless> I spent a day chasing 10 seconds in storm that is 1.4 seconds under normal load
[08:18] <wgrant> Which was probably *not* an SQL timeout.
[08:18] <lifeless> sure
[08:18] <lifeless> the ones I saw were though
[08:18] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[08:19] <MTecknology> aight.. I'm going to give up and file it myself in the morning
[08:19] <MTecknology> thanks for looking at it
[08:19] <MTecknology> g'night
[08:19] <MTecknology> or morning..
[08:19] <wgrant> Heh. Night.
[08:19] <MTecknology> acky..
[08:20] <MTecknology> I lost the description I wanted to send with
[08:21] <lifeless> sorry
[08:21] <lifeless> will be looking this monday
[08:21] <lifeless> as a priority
[08:21] <wgrant> Is the staging timeout 10s?
[08:21] <lifeless> yes
[08:23] <wgrant> Iiinteresting.
[08:23] <wgrant> Normal timeouts take 13s.
[08:23] <wgrant> The proxy timeout comes back after slightly over 10s.
[08:25] <wgrant> So there's something even more strange going on.
[08:25] <wgrant> And it's still intermittent, despite there only being one server.
[08:34] <lifeless> we need to talk to spm to get details on the trigger for that page
[09:04] <pmiller> I am trying to upload a source package to a ppa, without success... https://launchpad.net/~pmiller-opensource/+archive/ppa
[09:04] <wgrant> pmiller: What does it do when you try?
[09:05] <pmiller> wgrant: nothing happens.  The upload completes, but the packages don't appear.
[09:07] <wgrant> pmiller: What are the commands that you're using to build and upload the source package?
[09:08] <pmiller> Build: debuild -S -sa or debuild -S -sd, as per https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage, neither seems to make a difference.  Then cd ..; dput ppa:pmiller-opensource/ppa *.changes
[09:09] <wgrant> pmiller: Is the changes file signed with 0xD0EDB64D?
[09:09] <pmiller> yes.
[09:11] <wgrant> pmiller: Can you upload the signed package somewhere that I can examine it?
[09:24] <pmiller> wgrant: http://libexplain.sourceforge.net/debian/x/
[09:27] <wgrant> pmiller: That sends a rejection email when I process it locally.
[09:27] <wgrant> Do you not have such an email?
[09:27] <wgrant> The signature goes through fine, so you should.
[09:27] <pmiller> wgrant: no email
[09:28] <wgrant> Well, let's see what happens if you fix the package.
[09:28] <wgrant> 2010-09-11 08:26:36 WARNING 	Unable to find distroseries: unstable
[09:29] <wgrant> You need to have an Ubuntu series name in the changelog, rather than a Debian one.
[09:29] <wgrant> Maybe the email is getting lost.
[09:32] <pmiller> wgrant: will try hacking changelog.  email for openpgp key update took hours, but it did arrive.  I've been trying to upload fro longer than that.
[09:32] <wgrant> pmiller: Hm, could you see where the delay was?
[09:34] <pmiller> wgrant: X-greylist: delayed 2431 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at mail.ivt.com.au; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 16:00:34 EST (I know the admin, I aks him about it)
[09:37] <wgrant> Ah, IVT.
[09:37] <wgrant> Interesting.
[09:39] <pmiller> wgrant: ooh, look!  email.
[09:40] <pmiller> wgrant: for "distroseries" it wants "lucid"?   (I usually upload to Debian, as you may have guessed.)
[09:40] <wgrant> pmiller: Yep.
[10:11] <pmiller> wgrant: most recent upload was accepted "currently building" yay
[10:14] <pmiller> wgrant: is there a way to request automatic backports, or do I have to make multiple uploads, one for each distroseries?
[10:39] <wgrant> pmiller: You can't request automatic backports. However, you can build on one series and copy the source and binaries to another.
[10:39] <wgrant> eg. lots of people build on hardy, then copy up to newer series.
[10:41] <pmiller> so long as there aren't library versioning issues, yes.
[10:42] <pmiller> of course, libexplain underlies some of the other projects I want in the ppa, so I'm acutely aware of library version issues.
[10:42] <wgrant> Right.
[10:42] <wgrant> If you want multiple sets of binaries, you need multiple uploads.
[10:43] <lifeless> wgrant: don't recipes provide a build-for-N releases?
[10:43] <wgrant> This is true.
[10:43] <pmiller> that's what I thought.  It just gripes me that they will differ by only one word: s/lucid/whatever/
[10:44] <pmiller> recipes are predicated on bzr branches, and despite lifeless' best efforts, I don't use bzr
[11:13] <lifeless> pmiller: export a tarball; bzr import that onto a branch; push
[11:13] <lifeless> pmiller: not trying to move you to bzr to do this :P
[11:17] <Ddorda> hey guys
[11:18] <Ddorda> is it a known bug that launchpad mailing lists can't read non-latin languages?
[13:04] <philip_stoev> guys, the search box for finding users when trying to assign a bug to a specific user in the bug database does not work
[13:04] <philip_stoev> no matches are returned even when the actual user id or user name is used
[13:09] <wgrant> philip_stoev: Unless you are the bug supervisor of the project, it will only find teams that you administer.
[13:09] <wgrant> philip_stoev: If you are a bug supervisor, it should find anyone.
[13:35] <philip_stoev> wgrant: ok got it, thanks
[14:47] <fta> if any admin is here, please kill this build: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1952454 (stuck for 3 days)
[14:53] <bilalakhtar> fta: You're right. terranova builder is slow
[14:53] <bilalakhtar> I have also faced it once
[14:53] <wgrant> This isn't slow.
[14:53] <bilalakhtar> plymouth, which takes 10 minutes for a build, took 4 hours on it!
[14:53] <wgrant> Something's broken.
[14:54] <bilalakhtar> wgrant: what about my plymouth case?
[14:54] <wgrant> Hmm. That is odd.
[14:54] <wgrant> I could see up to half an hour or so.
[14:54] <wgrant> But not four hours.
[14:55] <bilalakhtar> wgrant: I saw, towards the end, dpkg-deb was taking 15 minutes to just archive a minary!
[14:55] <bilalakhtar> *binary
[14:55] <bilalakhtar> And there were 8 binaries by that source
[14:55] <wgrant> The log can take up to 15 minutes to upate.
[14:55] <wgrant> You can't rely on it for timings like that.
[14:56] <bilalakhtar> wgrant: really? but still, 4 hours was too long! And the build succeeded, nevertheles
[14:56] <bilalakhtar> s
[14:56] <wgrant> Hmm. That's concerning.
[14:56] <bilalakhtar> then I deleted my PPA and created a new one, otherwise I would have shown you the logs
[15:26] <JoshBrown> The Launchpad mailing list footer is not removed when quoting: https://lists.launchpad.net/photostory-team/msg00005.html
[20:23] <jenkins> how do I release a package for different versions of ubuntu in the same ppa? I have tired another entry in the change log  (changing maverick to lucid) but that does not help
[20:27] <JoshBrown> jenkins: I don't use PPAs that much personally but I've heard there's a built-in Launchpad function to do this (unless the package needs to be different in different Ubuntu versions)
[20:28] <jenkins> I did have a play with the lauchpad build function but I decided i like the the dput wap
[23:02] <MTecknology> LP is making me cry :(
[23:07] <lifeless> the filebug thing?
[23:07] <lifeless> will be looking at that tomorrow; need LOSA support
[23:15] <penguin42> LOSA?
[23:15] <lifeless> launchpad operational sysadmin
[23:16] <penguin42> ah, guys with hamers
[23:32]  * JoshBrown says HAMMER TIME


[01:24] <callmepk> good morning
[03:07] <duflu> Oops. Morning callmepk. While it still is
[03:21] <callmepk> hey duflu , good morning
[03:22] <duflu> 🌅
[06:10] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:10] <Maik> good morning oSoMoN
[06:11] <oSoMoN> hey Maik
[06:28] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN, Maik
[06:28] <Maik> duflu: hey
[06:29] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:36] <didrocks> good morning
[06:40] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:41] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:13] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:21] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:25] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:25] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:26] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, ca va ? t'as passé un bon weekend?
[07:27] <didrocks> salut seb128, bo. weel-end?
[07:27] <didrocks> week*
[07:27] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:27] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ? ça va les travaux ?
[07:28] <seb128> didrocks, oui ça va, reparti pour le Nord pour qq jours avant de rentrer pour de bon
[07:28] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you? had a good w.e?
[07:28] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, on avance petit à petit :)  profitez bien de ces derniers jours !
[07:29] <duflu> seb128, I'm alright. Weekend was just housework and home improvement. Also home improvement for other people :P
[07:29] <duflu> How are you seb128 ?
[07:31] <seb128> duflu, I'm fine, slightly blocked my back yesterday though so I hope it's not going to annoy me staying at the computer today
[07:32] <duflu> :/
[07:34] <oSoMoN> seb128, très bon week-end, merci! j’espère que ton dos va se débloquer vite, c’est très désagréable ça :(
[07:36] <seb128> oui, merci :-)
[11:30] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, what did you do to your back?! Too much kids playing? :)
[11:31] <seb128> Trevinho, rather kid carrying around in the arm, but I blocked it putting a suitcase in the car in the morning, I'm getting old, I need to warm up before doing that now!
[11:35] <Trevinho> seb128: ooooh poor seb
[14:59] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers. happy monday :)
[15:00] <oSoMoN> happy Monday hellsworth
[15:00] <hellsworth> o/
[15:32] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth
[15:58] <hellsworth> hi there jibel !
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[19:08] <KGB-0> gnome-session ubuntu/master b7a067f Iain Lane debian/ control control.in * control: Bump gtk and gnome-desktop BDs per meson.build * https://deb.li/emtG
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[09:25] <Tjampman> Hi would anybody here be able to assist me with setting up myth tv on ubuntu 10.04?
[21:31] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: any idea on how to fix the welcome screen for ssh?
[22:22] <Gibby> Shadow__X, did you get your /etc/motd working right yet?
[22:36] <Shadow__X> Gibby: nope
[23:49] <EvilGuru> I currently have a 10.04 system which has been working for a couple of years. I wish to take it to 11.04, is it okay to upgrade or should I start fresh?


[12:02] <jabra> dholbach: can you review my radmind package?
[12:03] <dholbach> not tonight, but i will review it
[12:03] <dholbach> promise
[12:03] <jabra> awesome
[12:03] <jabra> thanks, I really appreciate it
[12:03] <jabra> I am going to have another package soon as well
[12:03] <dholbach> is it on MOTUToReview or MOTUNewPackages?
[12:04] <jabra> ToReview
[12:04] <jabra> I had added it to NewPackage by mistake. I then removed it
[12:04] <dholbach> then everything's fine
[12:05] <dholbach> try to be patient
[12:05] <dholbach> there are unfortunately loads of people waiting
[12:05] <jabra> right
[12:06] <jabra> ok well I will build this other package in the meantime
[12:06] <jabra> I wanta get it into debian and ubuntu
[12:07] <dholbach> jabra: don't get me wrong: we all appreciate your work with the MOTUs but pushing people towards your packages won't help i fear
[12:08] <jabra> ok I understand
[12:09] <jabra> it just seems that there isn't anything be updated on that site.
[12:09] <jabra> that is just what it seems to me
[12:09] <jabra> I am probably wrong though
[12:10] <dholbach> you must understand: we are 10 people doing this in our free time
[12:10] <jabra> right
[12:10] <dholbach> and we're maintaining packages ourselves and some of us just returned from australia
[12:10] <ogra> and universe are ~15000 packages
[12:10] <jabra> right
[12:11] <dholbach> it's pretty annoying to wait for a review, i can absolutely understand your point
[12:11] <jabra> ok right
[12:11] <dholbach> but i'm afraid that only patience helps here
[12:11] <jabra> ok
[12:12] <jabra> sorry for being annoying
[12:13] <dholbach> don't worry
[12:13] <dholbach> i just want to explain our current situation
[12:13] <dholbach> i hope we will grow soon, so i'm glad you still do work on packages
[12:15] <jabra> basically I have sometime before I start my job and I just finished a semester of college (CO OP)
[12:16] <dholbach> ah ok
[12:17] <jabra> so I am working on personnal projects and packaging for tools I use
[12:21] <dholbach> brb
[12:25] <dholbach> re
[12:25] <tseng> weee
[12:25] <tseng> monodoc_1.0.6-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[12:25] <dholbach> :-))))9
[12:25] <ogra> yeah
[12:27] <tseng> thats my first "real" upload
[12:27] <dholbach> waaaaaah, the new beep-media-player skin is UGLY
[12:27] <tseng> dude, beep is ugly
[12:27] <Burgundavia> use muine
[12:27] <Burgundavia> or sonance
[12:27] <tseng> he has to wait for me and libgda :(
[12:27] <tseng> for those
[12:28] <Burgundavia> is muine borked in breezy?
[12:28] <tseng> if you use amd64
[12:28] <Burgundavia> oh
[12:28] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:32] <tseng> im fixing that atm
[12:38] <Nafallo> yay! my firewall works :-)
[12:44] <dholbach> and you can even access IRC? impressive!"
[12:44] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:45] <Nafallo> just run a test from pcflank.com on 1-65535, everything does what it should :-)
[12:45] <Nafallo> stealthed except ssh, smtp and www :-)
[01:19] <dholbach> good night everyone
[01:23] <ajmitch_> hey
[01:24] <ajmitch_> tseng: anything you want me to break/unbreak now for mono?
[01:24] <ajmitch_> or are you still waiting on the libgda stuff
[01:25] <ajmitch_> hey AndyFitz
[01:25] <ajmitch_> tseng: congrats on getting into the keyring, btw
[01:26] <AndyFitz> heya ajmitch_
[01:49] <tseng> ajmitch_: i can fix from here
[01:49] <tseng> ajmitch_: its taking my uploads now
[01:49] <ajmitch_> excellent
[01:50] <tseng> dammit
[01:52] <ajmitch_> just about got to breezy status
[01:52] <tseng> yeah i lost the amd64 fix
[01:52] <tseng> gotta readd
[01:52] <tseng> should fix the changelog too
[02:07] <tseng> gah upload privelages rock
[02:10] <tseng> ogra: that last upload was just for you
[02:15] <tseng> im getting used to this svn-buildpackage stuff
[02:19] <tseng> ajmitch_: im about to trash the hell out of your chroot I think
[02:22] <tseng> hows my nick sound?
[02:22] <tseng> silly
[02:22] <Nafallo> tseng: I'm not there yet ;-)
[02:22] <Nafallo> tseng: I had to sed "greater than" ;-)
[02:22] <tseng> oh man
[02:22] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:22] <tseng> yeah i always wonder how that works
[02:23] <tseng> because dmwaters uses all that text-to-speech stuff
[02:23] <Nafallo> joins are really irritating ;-)
[02:24] <tseng> i hope this is the last revision of mono for awhile
[02:24] <Nafallo> tseng: I just did cat rfc-1.log | sed s/\<// | sed s/\>/\ / | festival --tts
[02:24] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:24] <tseng> weve made 5
[02:24] <tseng> one because ajmitch_ cant cut and paste code :P
[02:25] <tseng> one because I'm a tool
[02:32] <tseng> mmm where is seb
[02:32] <tseng> is it sleep time there?
[02:34] <Nafallo> should be 1:34 or something...
[02:34] <Nafallo> spain, right?
[02:35] <tseng> france
[02:35] <Nafallo> should be either 1:35 or 2:35 then...
[02:35] <Nafallo> not sure which of them...
[02:38] <tseng> oh well
[02:38] <tseng> i mailed him
[02:38] <tseng> no wonder ive been talking to myself
[02:38] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:38] <Nafallo> I let the computer talk ;-)
[02:39] <tseng> oh man we are so close
[02:39] <tseng> mono++
[02:43] <Nafallo> hmm, festival says SE Linux as SouthEast Linux ;-)
[02:45] <tseng> ajmitch_: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/mono.png
[02:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: tommorow could be the big day :)
[02:54] <Nafallo> tseng: Brandon Hale sounded good enough :-)
[02:54] <tseng> hah ok
[02:54] <tseng> i meant nick
[02:59] <Nafallo> hmm, capitalized code wasn't fun to hear for once.
[02:59] <Nafallo> tseng: you should soon join the channel I think ;-)
[03:00] <tseng> yay
[03:23] <ajmitch_> hey I didn't cut & paste that code, I just did it from scratch :P..
[03:23] <tseng> yeah, wrong!
[03:23] <tseng> :D
[03:24] <tseng> and then I went and clobbered it
[03:24] <tseng> oh well
[03:24] <tseng> oh fuck me
[03:24] <tseng> cli-common isnt available on amd64?
[03:24] <tseng> whats the deal with that
[03:25] <tseng> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:25] <tseng>   cli-common: Depends: mono-utils but it is not going to be installed or
[03:25] <tseng>                        cil-disassembler
[03:25] <tseng> Arch: all
[03:26] <ajmitch_> mono-utils not built on amd64? did we miss it in the arch lines?
[03:26] <tseng> *looks*
[03:26] <tseng> we did
[03:26] <ajmitch_> nah, debs are there
[03:27] <tseng> well
[03:27] <tseng> its not in my copy
[03:27] <tseng> of control
[03:27] <ajmitch_> there are debs for 2ubuntu4
[03:27] <ajmitch_> none for 3ubuntu1
[03:27] <tseng> ok
[03:27] <tseng> well
[03:27] <ajmitch_> which is what the buildd will try & install
[03:28] <ajmitch_> perhaps
[03:28] <Nafallo> tseng: lol
[03:28] <Nafallo> tseng: t-s-e-n-g ;-)
[03:28] <tseng> is anyone who can try to install mono-utils and see whats broke
[03:28] <tseng> on amd64
[03:28] <tseng> he /msg me first
[03:29] <tseng> and I told him it was a long shot
[03:30] <Nafallo> tseng: damn your nick is irritating ;-)
[03:30] <zul> has he got anything actually to show with ubuntu other than showing up at udu?
[03:30] <tseng> so can I put a # in control?
[03:30] <Nafallo> btw, I'm building a breezy chroot on amd64 :-)
[03:31] <ajmitch_> Nafallo: thanks, you can test mono for us
[03:31] <tseng> zul: he must have done something on mono or be pretty slick with whois, he found the dec channel
[03:31] <tseng> dev.
[03:31] <zul> heh
[03:31] <tseng> miguel invited me or i would have nfc
[03:32] <zul> must go back to gcc4 thingy
[03:32] <tseng> cli-common only has a build log for i386
[03:32] <Nafallo> ajmitch_: yepp, that's the plan :-)
[03:33] <tseng> or i guess it is arch all so it builds on the 386?
[03:36] <ajmitch_> yes
[03:41] <tseng> yeah wtf is broken
[03:45] <ajmitch_> just that mono-util does'nt want to install on amd64 now
[03:46] <Nafallo> my internet connection is saturised by my nightly mirrorsync :-/
[03:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: i know
[03:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: why
[03:46] <Nafallo> I'm trying to add a archive.ubuntu.com to my sources.list
[03:55] <Nafallo> mono-utils: Depends: mono-assemblies-base but it is not going to be installed
[03:56] <tseng> hm
[03:56] <tseng> do you have amd64 for -assemblies-* ajmitch_ ?
[03:56] <tseng> also
[03:56] <tseng> http://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.1.7/
[03:56] <tseng> crack of the day!
[03:56] <tseng> "Mono no longer requires a separate shared process to provide the previous features, this has significantly improved Mono's I/O performance. Beagle is three times as fast indexing files and xsp tripled its speed."
[03:56] <Nafallo> if I try to install to install that package it want's mono-common.
[03:56] <Nafallo> I try to install mono-common then... :-)
[03:56] <tseng> well
[03:57] <tseng> ill just read the diff out of pool
[03:59] <Nafallo> hmm, those packages are from my local mirror. they wasn't up2date.
[04:00] <tseng> uh
[04:00] <tseng> so 2ubuntu4 had amd64 in all the right places
[04:00] <Nafallo> I removed local mirror from sources.list, apt-cache policy still claimes mono-common to be 1.1.6-2ubuntu4
[04:00] <tseng> because it is
[04:01] <Nafallo> ahh
[04:01] <tseng> so
[04:01] <tseng> what cant you install please
[04:01] <tseng> root cause
[04:03] <Nafallo> mono-common has candidate 1.1.6-2ubuntu4
[04:04] <Nafallo> mono-assemblies-base: Depends: mono-common (= 1.1.6-3ubuntu2)
[04:04] <Nafallo> seems that's the problem...
[04:04] <ajmitch_> explains a bit
[04:04] <ajmitch_> seems that all archs need to be built in sync
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch_
[04:07] <ajmitch_> hello bddebian
[04:08] <jabra> I am wondering what the differnce for packages build for ubuntu compared to those built for debian
[04:18] <tseng> um, what
[04:18] <tseng> ooooh
[04:18] <tseng> since the arch amd64 stuff borked its fucked, ok
[04:19] <tseng> no problem
[04:21] <Nafallo> goodnight people :-)
[04:39] <schweeb> tseng: quit being lazy, mono 1.1.7 is out now. don't sleep  until it's packaged.
[05:44] <\sh> morning gentlemen
[06:03] <tritium> crimsun: well, I tried to setup the proxy over ssh tunnel, but I can't seem to get it working
[06:03] <crimsun> where does it not work?
[06:04] <crimsun> can you connect to your irssi proxy without the ssh tunnel?
[06:04] <tritium> No
[06:05] <crimsun> is the proxy module loaded in your irssi client, and have you set a port and a passwd for freenode?
[06:05] <tritium> not remotely, that is
[06:06] <crimsun> ok, I presume 'tritium' is the irssi client?
[06:06] <tritium> yes
[06:07] <tritium> and yes to proxy module, port, and password question
[06:09] <crimsun> ok, so from another irc client (say, from the same host), you should be able to connect to port $x and get the freenode session
[06:09] <tritium> yes, I can do that okay
[06:09] <tritium> can't do it remotely
[06:09] <crimsun> ah, so you can't connect from outside to ip:x
[06:10] <tritium> right
[06:10] <crimsun> does your isp allow a range of high incoming ports?
[06:11] <tritium> yes, but I've only port-forwarded ssh through my router.  I believe that's what i have configured incorrectly
[06:11] <tritium> I mean the ssh tunnel
[06:11] <crimsun> ah, yeah. You'll need to forward additional ports on your router
[06:12] <\sh> ok..change request was successfull...now I can go back home and sleep
[06:12] <crimsun> night, \sh
[06:12] <tritium> crimsun: despite tunneling?
[06:12] <tritium> Ah, I think I understand.
[06:16] <\sh> crimsun: not so fast :)
[06:16] <crimsun> ah :)
[06:55] <dholbach> hey
[06:55] <tritium> Daniel!  :)
[06:56] <dholbach> hey michael! :-)
[06:56] <tritium> Hi dholbach :)
[07:00] <tritium> crimsun, okay, all setup now.  Got ssh tunnel working.  No need for port-forwarding on my router.
[07:00] <crimsun> tritium: awesome.
[07:01] <tritium> crimsun, thanks again for the suggestion, and the help :)
[07:01] <crimsun> np at all
[07:01] <crimsun> morning daniel :)
[07:01] <dholbach> hey crimsun :-)
[07:11] <ivoks> 'morning
[07:11] <tritium> Morning, ivoks
[07:11] <ivoks> what's up? :)
[07:12] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[07:12] <ivoks> dholbach
[07:12] <dholbach> how are you?
[07:12] <ivoks> sleepy :)
[07:12] <dholbach> me too
[07:12] <ivoks> i'm up since 3AM
[07:13] <ivoks> now is 7:12
[07:13] <dholbach> ivoks: here too :-)
[07:13] <ivoks> lol
[07:13] <ivoks> i had to finish some drawings in autocad :(
[07:14] <ivoks> so, what's the procedure with packages in motu?
[07:15] <ivoks> who is reviewing them and how long does it takes?
[07:15] <dholbach> anybody of us will do it
[07:15] <dholbach> but we're in a bottleneck situation at the moment
[07:15] <dholbach> but i hope it'll get better soon
[07:15] <ivoks> i can imagine :)
[07:15] <dholbach> we're like ten people, doing it in our free time
[07:15] <ivoks> i know
[07:16] <dholbach> and maintain own packages as well, so being patient is highly appreciated :-)
[07:16] <ivoks> hehehe
[07:16] <ivoks> it's ok...
[07:16] <dholbach> i can't give any ETAs
[07:16] <crimsun> I will try and do a few reviews tonight
[07:16] <ivoks> oh, crimsun
[07:16] <dholbach> crimsun: good one... i will join you
[07:17] <ivoks> crimsun i created my kernel package :)
[07:17] <ivoks> crimsun but not ur way :)
[07:17] <crimsun> ivoks: many paths to the same destination :)
[07:17] <dholbach> ivoks: you should joing #ubuntu-kernel for that
[07:17] <ivoks> dholbach i know
[07:18] <ivoks> :)
[07:18] <ivoks> crimsun /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/debian.README says it all ;)
[07:19] <ivoks> well... i have to reboot now :(
[07:19] <tritium> speaking of kernel-package, is it naming the result kernel-image or linux-image ?
[07:19] <ivoks> i have to print those cad drawings and of to university
[07:19] <ivoks> tritium it's linux-image on ubuntu
[07:19] <ivoks> tritium but, by default it calls it kernel-package
[07:19] <tritium> ivoks, right, so kernel-package in ubuntu names them correctly?
[07:20] <ivoks> tritium nope :(
[07:20] <tritium> That's what I thought.
[07:20] <ivoks> tritium i explaied all in howto
[07:20] <tritium> ivoks, oh, where at?
[07:20] <crimsun> wait, kernel-package creates kernel-image-foo?
[07:20] <crimsun> that's a rather significant bug if so
[07:20] <ivoks> crimsun i said that couple of times on couple of places :)
[07:21] <tritium> a few people I've recommended kernel-package to have told me the same
[07:21] <tritium> I've not used it in ubuntu, only debian
[07:21] <ivoks> tritium http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[07:21] <tritium> ivoks, thanks
[07:21] <crimsun> that probably needs to be merged, but we'll have to ask MOMs
[07:22] <ivoks> crimsun https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10148
[07:22] <tritium> uh-oh, a new acronymn I don't know...
[07:22] <crimsun> tritium: (Masters of Main)
[07:22] <tritium> crimsun, thanks...should have guessed
[07:23] <tritium> There should be a MON for jack-of-all-trade types ;)
[07:24] <tritium> So perhaps kernel-package should be ubuntuized.  dh-make could be modified a bit too
[07:24] <ivoks> tritium heh...
[07:25] <ivoks> i would sugest leave as is
[07:25] <tritium> kernel-package, or dh-make?
[07:25] <ivoks> but change linux-image to kernel-image
[07:25] <ivoks> but, that's only me :)
[07:25] <tseng> dh_make could spew alot less crap
[07:26] <dholbach> tritium: i will change dh-make, if i get approved for main uploads in next tb meeting
[07:26] <tritium> dholbach, super@
[07:26] <tritium> !
[07:26] <ivoks> ah...
[07:26] <ivoks> why was decided to name images linux-image?
[07:27] <dholbach> i already have a patch for it, but the debian guy didn't want it
[07:27] <ivoks> well, i agree it's better than kernel-image, but produces more work
[07:27] <dholbach> (using lsb-release and such)
[07:27] <tritium> ooh, good idea
[07:33] <ivoks> this is longest period ubuntu stayed on my computer :)
[07:34] <ivoks> last time i reinstalled debian after 2 weeks :)
[07:43] <tritium> ivoks, how come?
[07:48] <ivoks> tritium it was warty
[07:48] <tritium> ivoks, oh, ok
[07:48] <ivoks> i wasn't satisifed it it...
[07:48] <ivoks> with it
[07:49] <ivoks> man... i have to see a doctor
[07:49] <tritium> you okay?
[07:49] <ivoks> i had car accident
[07:49] <ivoks> week ago
[07:49] <ivoks> since than i make a lot of typos....
[07:50] <ivoks> and my car is... well, there is no more car :)
[07:50] <tritium> sorry to hear that.
[07:50] <dholbach> oh shit :-/
[07:50] <ivoks> me too :(
[07:51] <ivoks> guy smashed me from in the rear
[07:51] <ivoks> bumbed me in the car in front of me
[07:51] <ivoks> didn't even brake...
[07:51] <tritium> ivoks, you got medical attention, I hope
[07:51] <ivoks> tritium yeah, i was in hospital, but i didn't feel anything strange
[07:52] <ivoks> they sanitized my neck
[07:52] <tritium> okay, good that you were checked
[07:54] <ivoks> yeah..
[07:55] <ivoks> small car... i have to go to insurance company to see wich price they figured out :)
[07:56] <ivoks> dholbach me too
[07:56] <ivoks> but the day didn't start well... it's raining :(
[08:00] <ajmitch_> time to finally use an ubuntu kernel, brb
[08:12] <ivoks> looks like ajmitch_ didn't make it :)
[08:12] <tritium> hopefully nothing serious
[08:13] <crimsun> those fscks can take a bit ;)
[08:13] <ivoks> :)
[08:13] <ivoks> not on ext3/xfs/etc...
[08:13] <crimsun> if you hit the mount limit, sure
[08:13] <crimsun> (for ext3)
[08:13] <ivoks> ah, tune2fs
[08:14] <ivoks> -c 99999999
[08:14] <crimsun> yikes
[08:14] <crimsun> I kinda like the ole 20
[08:15] <ivoks> i don't like ext3 at all
[08:16] <ivoks> molotov follow ubuntuguid.org, u can't miss
[08:16] <ivoks> ups :)
[08:21] <ivoks> bye all, time to go
[08:21] <crimsun> cya
[08:21] <dholbach> bye ivoks
[08:48] <tritium> crimsun, it's nearly 3 am there, isn't it?
[08:54] <jabra> sleep is for the weak
[08:54] <tritium> heh, I'm weak then ;)
[08:54] <jabra> ya me too
[08:55] <tritium> Same for me.  Good night all.
[11:06] <koke> hi all!
[11:26] <dholbach> hey koke, AndyFitz
[11:26] <AndyFitz> hi dholbach
[12:35] <ajmitch_> wb dholbach :)
[12:35] <tseng> yayay
[01:00] <Nafallo> morning all
[01:00] <ajmitch_> hi
[01:01] <Nafallo> hmm, I'm going to build my test environment for my lappy. dunno if I should use chroot or pbuild though.
[01:02] <ajmitch_> I tend to use both
[01:02] <Nafallo> well, chroots should be easier to set up from what I've heard :-)
[01:03] <ajmitch_> I use the pbuilder base.tgz for setting up chroots :)
[01:03] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:07] <Nafallo> I might aswell use my local mirror :-)
[01:08] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:12] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:12] <Nafallo> dependancy problems with cpp gcc and g++ while debootstraping.
[01:12] <Nafallo> anyone else get this?
[01:14] <ajmitch_> can't say I've tried debootstrapping breezy in the last couple of days - I know some changes have been made
[01:14] <Nafallo> I'll try debootstrapping without --variant.
[01:23] <Nafallo> dooh!
[01:23] <Nafallo> I shouldn't follow wikipages without thinking...
[01:24] <ogra> which one ?
[01:24] <Nafallo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[01:24] <Nafallo> I copied my sources.list and just runned apt-get update
[01:24] <Nafallo> I should use breezy in the chroot, not hoary.
[01:25] <ogra> yeah
[01:26] <Nafallo> beware the power of sed ;-). fixed :-).
[01:30] <dholbach> does anybody of you have a postgresql server up, on which i could try glom? :-)
[01:31] <ogra> not yet
[01:31] <ajmitch_> dholbach: yeah, I think postgresql still works..
[01:31] <ajmitch_> what is glom?
[01:31] <ogra> a new DB frontend
[01:31] <dholbach> database designer and user interface
[01:31] <ajmitch_> ah ok
[01:32] <dholbach> what do you mean by "postgresql still works"? :-)
[01:32] <ajmitch_> I upraded to breezy, remember :)
[01:33] <ajmitch_> just starting to hack on a tool to help me merge some of these packages - so many packages are still newer in debian
[01:36] <ogra> dholbach, didnt you package fast-user-applet already ? shouldnt it be on ToReview ?
[01:37] <dholbach> i packaged it, but the new version requires /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to lie around in configure target
[01:38] <dholbach> Unfrgive1's fusa build-deps on gdm
[01:38] <ogra> hmm...
[01:38] <dholbach> i want to discuss this with upstream, since it's unacceptable
[01:38] <ajmitch_> it should be runtime only, not compiletime
[01:39] <dholbach> yeah... it's insane
[01:39] <ogra> depends would be necessary (gdmflexiserver) , but build-depends...
[01:39] <dholbach> ogra: it requires gdm.conf at build-time
[01:39] <ogra> ouch
[01:39] <dholbach> yes
[01:39] <dholbach> the compiler options should workaround it, but they don't work
[01:39] <dholbach> i suspect broken m4-foo in configure.ac
[01:39] <dholbach> but i don't want to fix it
[01:41] <ogra> sounds like free willy
[01:41] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:41] <dholbach> hahaha
[01:46] <Nafallo> aha!
[01:46] <ajmitch_> he said the word!
[01:47] <ogra> GAH
[01:49] <Nafallo> hmm, failed anyway :-/
[01:50] <Nafallo> should work to debootstrap hoary and dist-upgrade, right? ;)
[01:51] <ogra> huh... why do i have nvu in my apt-cache....
[01:51] <ajmitch_> yes
[01:51] <ogra> is it in debian now ?
[01:51] <ajmitch_> ogra: it landed in sid
[01:51] <ogra> yay...
[01:52] <Nafallo> ehm... something bad must have happened at some point...
[01:52] <ajmitch_> I remember thom complaining about yet another copy of the firefox source in the archive :)
[01:52] <dholbach> :-)
[01:52] <Nafallo> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[01:52] <Nafallo> Xlib: No protocol specified
[01:52] <Nafallo> I tried to run sudo synaptic & :-P
[01:52] <dholbach> ok... i'm out... see you later
[01:52] <Nafallo> dholbach: laters :-)
[01:53] <Nafallo> brb, hopefully
[01:58] <Nafallo> never ever bindmount stuff, forget about them, and try to recursivly remove the tree where you home is/was.
[01:58] <Nafallo> I'm glad I detected my failure in time and only erased all settings.
[02:00] <Mithrandir> rm should grow a -x
[02:01] <Nafallo> -x?
[02:01] <Mithrandir> aka --one-file-system; find has it, du has it, why not rm too?
[02:02] <Nafallo> ah, _that_ would be really good. that's a security upload, no? ;-)
[02:02] <Mithrandir> ;)
[02:03] <Nafallo> fuck! I've lost .bash_profile and .bashrc :-P
[02:03] <Mithrandir> restore from backup, then
[02:04] <Mithrandir> or check them out again.
[02:04] <Nafallo> /etc/skel is my backup for the moment :-)
[02:04] <Mithrandir> :P
[02:04] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:05] <Nafallo> I think I've just found use for the empty 4.5GB SCSI-drive in my server ;-)
[02:07] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:07] <Nafallo> s/gpg/gnupg/
[02:11] <Nafallo> I could get them from my server.
[02:33] <Nafallo> *puuh*
[03:23] <Nafallo> finally.
[03:23] <Nafallo> I can run tests on stuff :-)
[03:28] <tseng|work> Nafallo: know much about building packages?
[03:28] <Nafallo> tseng|work: not yet. but I snag sources to look at from time to time :-).
[03:28] <tseng|work> ok rock on
[03:29] <tseng|work> you have breezy/amd64 right?
[03:29] <Nafallo> tseng|work: amd64 hoary with breezy amd64 and i386 chroots :-)
[03:29] <tseng|work> rock out
[03:29] <tseng|work> have 20 minutes or so?
[03:29] <Nafallo> tseng|work: I got the whole day :-)
[03:30] <tseng|work> heh
[03:30] <tseng|work> if you could, grab the source for mono on breezy
[03:30] <tseng|work> edit debian/rules
[03:30] <tseng|work> remove the extra tab in the ifeq (... amd64) block
[03:30] <tseng|work> and try to build it
[03:30] <Nafallo> oki
[03:31] <tseng|work> apt-get build-dep mono; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[03:31] <tseng|work> basically
[03:32] <ogra> worked fine for me yesterday already (with homebuilt libgnomedb).... i'm wondering where this strange error on the buildd comes from
[03:34] <tseng|work> gr
[03:34] <tseng|work> anyway, its not weird ogra
[03:34] <tseng|work> mono can use nptl or linuxthreads
[03:35] <tseng|work> linuxthreads is default.. amd64 doesnt have it
[03:35] <ogra> hmmm....
[03:35] <tseng|work> so there is some code that sets the confflags per arch
[03:35] <tseng|work> which worked once on the buildd
[03:35] <tseng|work> now its failing
[03:35] <tseng|work> only change is some extra whitespace
[03:35] <tseng|work> i got from pasting it
[03:35] <ogra> looks rather like a buildd oddity...
[03:35] <tseng|work> could be
[03:36] <tseng|work> but it worked before with *almost* the same code
[03:36] <tseng|work> ill ask lamont
[03:36] <tseng|work> i guess
[03:36] <tseng|work> you left the whitespace in?
[03:37] <ogra> i didnt touch the surce at all
[03:37] <ogra> source even
[03:37] <Mithrandir> you should just switch the default to nptl, since all our platforms support it, afaik.
[03:38] <ogra> tseng|work, 1.1.6-2ubuntu4
[03:38] <tseng|work> oh no
[03:38] <tseng|work> 3ubuntu3
[03:39] <tseng|work> or was it 4 already
[03:39] <Nafallo> 3ubuntu4
[03:39] <ogra> ah, yeah, i c you already switched to -3
[03:39] <tseng|work> Mitrandir: nptl has problems on x86
[03:40] <tseng|work> Mithrandir: ill look into enabling it again and testing later
[03:40] <tseng|work> a few months ago nptl mono on x86 crashed 100% of the time, it was awesome
[03:40] <Mithrandir> tseng|work: uhm, how so on x86?   _ARCH),amd64)
[03:57] <Nafallo> ahh
[03:57] <Nafallo> endif
[04:03] <tseng_> cgi-irc is the worst
[04:04] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:05] <tseng_> anyone have a solution for ssh over https?
[04:05] <tseng_> someone mentioned one at udu
[04:05] <Mithrandir> tseng_: just ssh on port 443?
[04:06] <tseng_> hm well
[04:06] <tseng_> it has to go through an http proxy
[04:06] <tseng_> you cant go directly out :(
[04:06] <tseng_> but: you can on ftp
[04:07] <tseng_> ill try that port later
[04:07] <Nafallo> tseng: wasn't there a package for http-tunneling somewhere in debian...
[04:09] <Nafallo> http://htun.runslinux.net/
[04:09] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:09] <ogra> tseng_, seems it still fails...
[04:10] <tseng_> hm nice
[04:10] <ogra> same place, same eroor
[04:10] <thom> tseng_: nstx and ssh over that
[04:13] <Nafallo> ogra: it should just return error when failing, right?
[04:13] <ogra> yep
[04:13] <Nafallo> ogra: built here.
[04:13] <ogra> make[9] : *** [../../class/lib/net_1_1_bootstrap/mscorlib.dll]  Fehler 1
[04:13] <ogra> (Fehler = Error)
[04:14] <ogra> Nafallo, what exactly did you rip out of the rules file ?
[04:14] <tseng_> if it works for Nafallo it should be fine
[04:14] <tseng_> ill upload tonight
[04:15] <Nafallo> ogra: the tab after ifeq (... amd64)'s endif and --with-tls=pthread in build-stamp: cli-wrapper
[04:16] <ogra> argh...
[04:16] <Mithrandir> tseng_: if you have working ping you can abuse that
[04:16] <ogra> i missed the last one
[04:16] <tseng_> i think overdoing ping or dns might set something off
[04:16] <tseng_> http might be ignored
[04:17] <Nafallo> hmm, is there an easy way to clean up the chroot? ;-)
[04:17] <tseng_> especially if it can do https
[04:17] <Mithrandir> tseng_: openvpn can tunnel over http
[04:17] <tseng_> clean  how?
[04:17] <tseng_> if i have alot of -dev stuff around i dont want, sometimes ill do:
[04:17] <tseng_> apt-get remove libc6-dev
[04:17] <Mithrandir> debfoster is your friend
[04:17] <tseng_> then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to add it back
[04:18] <tseng_> or for minimal just lsb-base libc6-dev
[04:18] <tseng_> but you are really better off using pbuilder for that sort of thing
[04:18] <tseng_> in the long run.
[04:20] <bddebian> Hello Mithrandir  ;-)
[04:21] <Nafallo> I thought I saw something about pbuilder on the wiki :-P
[04:22] <Mithrandir> hiya bddebian
[04:22] <Nafallo> have I told you how much I love that wiki? ;-)
[04:22] <Mithrandir> tseng_: http://sebsauvage.net/punching/, btw.
[04:22] <tseng_> im going to drop the pbuilder doc on there into my ubuntu packaging quickstart
[04:23] <Nafallo> tseng: mhm, URL? :-)
[04:24] <Nafallo> I clean up with rm -r <chroot> && tar jxf <chroot>.tar.bz2 this time ;-)
[04:24] <tseng_> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/IntroDeveloperDocs?highlight=%28MediumPriority%29%7C%28UduBof%29
[04:24] <tseng_> just notes
[04:24] <tseng_> yeah having a tar'd up chroot is good
[04:24] <Nafallo> ahh, they aren't done yet :-)
[04:26] <tseng_> yeah i am just starting to get over jet lag
[04:26] <tseng_> and beating my head against mono merges
[04:26] <Nafallo> *s*
[04:26] <tseng_> when thats all in i can start working on the doc
[04:27] <tseng_> Mithrandir: that looks too easy, ta
[04:28] <Nafallo> tseng: I can be your testperson how well the docs work. when I become a MOTU it worked ;-).
[04:28] <tseng_> hah rock on
[04:29] <tseng_> i taught a few people at UDU and they seemed to catch on very well
[04:29] <tseng_> but that was hands-on
[04:29] <tseng_> more fun that way
[04:29] <ogra> you taught the edubuntu guys ?
[04:29] <tseng_> ya
[04:29] <ogra> yay
[04:29] <tseng_> jeff and colin
[04:29] <Nafallo> yea. and they knew programming before I suppose :-)...
[04:30] <tseng_> daniel got them setup with gpg
[04:30] <tseng_> they knew python
[04:32] <Nafallo> hmm, oki.
[04:33] <Nafallo> well, learning by doing should be my way I belive :-). that's how I got this far into computers ;-).
[04:40] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:40] <Nafallo> I forgot to rip out my frenchclasses from the playlist :-P
[04:55] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:56] <Nafallo> xchat didn't detect my change of ip and interface ;-)
[05:12] <Nafallo> hmm
[05:12] <Nafallo> anyone experimented with pbuilder from within a chroot? ;-)
[05:25] <thom> Nafallo: why would you bother?
[05:26] <Nafallo> thom: keep up2date with debootstrap without having to backport it all the time :-)
[05:45] <tseng|work> better to bootstrap hoary and dist-upgrade
[05:45] <tseng|work> its going to stay that way
[05:46] <Nafallo> tseng|work: yea, that's what I'm doing now :-)
[05:52] <thom> -Mutt: Mail/ubuntu/users [Msgs:32506
[05:52] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:53] <ogra> hmm, so i have some doubled....
[05:53] <ogra> 33915 says evo
[05:57] <tseng|work> mm i unsubbed from -users
[05:58] <tseng|work> -devel is noisy enough
[05:58] <tseng|work> ogra: alot of people cross post or double post
[05:58] <tseng|work> i have a duplicate filter
[05:58] <ogra> not really
[05:59] <ogra> (not relly a lot)
[05:59] <tseng|work> well
[06:00] <tseng|work> i get a few mails a week in duplicates
[06:00] <ogra> geez, i got a working tomboy
[06:00] <tseng|work> rock on dude
[06:00] <tseng|work> so you built mono, gnomedb, gtk-sharp ?
[06:01] <ogra> tseng|work, http://beatniksoftware.com/pipermail/tomboy-list_beatniksoftware.com/2005-February/000558.html
[06:01] <ogra> try this one... except the second part of the patch...
[06:02] <Nafallo> I can't get pbuilder to update unauthenticated *scratches head*
[06:02] <tseng|work> eh, whats that ogra
[06:03] <tseng|work> supposed to force gtk-sharp1?
[06:03] <ogra> the source didnt build... looks like PanelApplet is declared as class and as namespace...
[06:03] <ogra> so one of them needed to be changed...
[06:03] <tseng|work> oh yeah build time
[06:04] <ogra> calling it PanelApplet1 seems a bit odd though
[06:05] <tseng|work> im using http://download.dajobe.org/debian/experimental/
[06:07] <tseng|work> 	* Tomboy/Tray.cs: Apply minimal patch to support building under	mono 1.1.x.
[06:09] <tseng|work> 0.3.2, new upstream with mono 1.1 fixes
[06:09] <tseng|work> ill upload it as soon as libgnomedb is fixed
[06:19] <tseng|work> lamont: libgnomedb errors out on buildd, cant install libgda2-3.. could it be that the apt database is out of date?
[06:19] <tseng|work> lamont: as I can install that.
[06:20] <lamont> tseng|work: no.  it's because libgda2-3 is in universe
[06:20] <tseng|work> oh, yuck
[06:20] <tseng|work> ok.
[06:21] <lamont> (promotion has been requested, fwiw)
[06:22] <tseng|work> yeah im sure everyone can do just fine without me bothering
[06:23] <tseng|work> ogra: did you get my messages
[06:24] <ogra> nope
[06:24] <tseng|work> well there is a new upstream with mono 1.1 fixes
[06:24] <tseng|work> that i am using
[06:24] <ogra> (update-manager tried to upgrade pcmcia ;)
[06:24] <tseng|work> lunchtime bbl
[06:24] <ogra> ah, ok
[06:24] <ogra> now i know why i have the old icon
[06:35] <Nafallo> I don't know why, but I had a .pbuilderrc in my homedir. Now I know why things failed for me.
[07:23] <herve> hi
[07:24] <Nafallo> hi herve
[07:24] <bddebian> Heya Herve
[07:38] <ivoks> hi
[07:39] <bddebian> Hello ivoks
[07:39] <ivoks> hi
[07:40] <ivoks> omg
[07:40] <ivoks> 50 spams today
[07:40] <bddebian> Light day eh? ;-P
[07:40] <ivoks> uhh...
[07:41] <ivoks> looks like SA died on server :)
[07:41] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/amavis-stats/
[07:41] <ivoks> hm... that's too many mails registred as regular :(
[07:48] <ivoks> jesus... what to do :(
[07:48] <Nafallo> ivoks: pray ;-)
[07:48] <ivoks> lol! i found error :)
[07:49] <ivoks> bayes_seen and bayes_toks are rw for root
[07:49] <ivoks> but, not readable for amavis user :)
[07:49] <ivoks> and spamassassin runs as amavis user :)
[07:50] <ivoks> those spamers... worst kind of people...
[07:50] <ivoks> i wouldn't kill them...
[07:51] <ivoks> i would cut their fingers, one by one... :)
[07:53] <Nafallo> baah, they are most often transparent to me :-)
[07:53] <Nafallo> most people of that kind is ;-)
[07:55] <ivoks> eh
[07:58] <tseng|work> ogra: back
[07:59] <thom> tseng|work: dude, what's the obsession with power adaptors about? :-)
[08:00] <dholbach> thom: good question :-)
[08:00] <thom> dholbach: *g*
[08:01] <Mithrandir> they're.. sexy?
[08:01] <Mithrandir> :P
[08:02] <tseng|work> thom: there was some really crack stuff going on with power conversion
[08:03] <tseng|work> i had half a mind to take a picture of smufix every day too
[08:03] <tseng|work> and post them all sorted by date
[08:04] <tseng|work> wouldve been pretty mean, though
[08:05] <thom> heh
[08:05] <Amaranth> smufix?
[08:05] <Amaranth> did he/she look worse everyday or something?
[08:05] <tseng|work> er, sortof
[08:06] <thom> mostly identical every day...
[08:06] <tseng|work> he lost his suitcase and wore the same outfit for at least 2 weeks
[08:06] <Amaranth> o_O
[08:06] <tseng|work> not for a lack of free tshirts
[08:08] <tritium> speaking of t-shirts, are there now MOTU shirts?
[08:08] <tseng|work> no
[08:09] <tseng|work> you could make some on cafe press
[08:09] <tritium> dholbach, that's your brainchild, isn't it?
[08:10] <dholbach> herve had the idea as well, ogra too - dunno whose idea it was in the first place
[08:11] <tritium> cool
[08:11] <dholbach> so if somebody had a design, i would pass it directly to sabdfl :-)
[08:14] <ogra> lets just take the simple launchpad t-shirt design...
[08:14] <Burgundavia> any idea? I can mock something up quickly
[08:15] <dholbach> an ubuntu logo, MOTU in capital letters and "guess who compiled the package you're using?"
[08:15] <dholbach> maybe a link to our wiki page :-)
[08:15] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:15] <Burgundavia> how about
[08:15] <Burgundavia> "We compile your packages"
[08:16] <Burgundavia> or "Can we compile your package?"
[08:16] <ogra> i like "...guess who compiled the package you're using?"
[08:17] <tseng|work> "let us fix your package"
[08:17] <tseng|work> it would be pretty funny in the us
[08:17] <ogra> and MOTU in this typesetting http://community.webshots.com/photo/338849189/338853480iMyAXJ
[08:18] <tritium> since we're talking Universe here, would be cool to work in the phrase "The world is not enough."
[08:18] <ogra> a logo anywhere and the text somehow handwritten....
[08:18] <ogra> tritium, on the back ?
[08:18] <tseng|work> what does that mean anyway
[08:18] <tseng|work> fogo na bamba
[08:18] <tritium> ogra, anywhere :)
[08:18] <ogra> no idea...
[08:18] <Burgundavia> the world is not enough on the sleeve?
[08:18] <ogra> i just like the typesetting
[08:19] <thom> hey, canonical *compiles* the packages ;-)
[08:19] <tritium> Burgundavia, cool :)
[08:20] <ogra> ok, probably "fixed" then ;)

[08:20] <Burgundavia> then I like tsengs
[08:21] <dholbach> thom: the slogan evolved when herve was compiling some package which took 2,5h for the 5th time or something
[08:21] <tseng|work> mine is raunchy
[08:21] <Burgundavia> yours is funny
[08:22] <tseng|work> yeah, im just guessing ESL people dont get it
[08:22] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:23] <Burgundavia> tseng|work, where are you from?
[08:23] <dholbach> pennsylvania, iirc :-)
[08:24] <tseng|work> yes
[08:27] <Burgundavia> an idea http://img197.echo.cx/img197/4254/path28897mt.png
[08:29] <ivoks> we fix :)
[08:29] <ogra> to much logo for my taste...
[08:29] <Burgundavia> too much? how so?
[08:30] <ogra> but the idea with the planet is nice
[08:30] <tritium> Ah, cool, it's a planet.  I was thinking it was an electron :)
[08:31] <ogra> the logo should just be a small thingie, the MOTU should slap you right in the face, so everybody will ask you about it ;)
[08:31] <tritium> yeah, it's deuterium.  One proton, two neutrons, and an electron ;)
[08:31] <ogra> heh
[08:32] <ivoks> i agree with ogra, if i can vote :)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> http://img213.echo.cx/img213/1849/path28895ls.png
[08:32] <ivoks> great one
[08:33] <Burgundavia> need to move the planet
[08:33] <ivoks> yep
[08:33] <Burgundavia> and other small tweaks
[08:33] <ivoks> but good idea
[08:33] <ogra> hmm, yep...
[08:34] <tritium> looks good, Burgundavia
[08:34] <Burgundavia> spacing is off
[08:34] <Burgundavia> on the letters
[08:34] <ogra> the letters could also be thicker...
[08:34] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:34] <ogra> but you wont get that with the font...
[08:34] <Burgundavia> need a different font for that
[08:35] <ogra> heh
[08:35] <ogra> yep
[08:35] <Burgundavia> I have a bunch I grabbed from a windows install, but gave up when I read how much config there is
[08:35] <Burgundavia> why can't I just drop them into a directory?
[08:35] <ogra> you can...
[08:35] <Burgundavia> oh?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> how and where?
[08:35] <ivoks> Burgundavia ?
[08:36] <ogra> as long as you use ttf
[08:36] <ivoks> just make links
[08:36] <ivoks> and then mkttfdir
[08:36] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:36] <ivoks> or ttmkfdir
[08:36] <ogra> drop them into fonts:// with nautilus
[08:36] <ivoks> something like that...
[08:36] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:36] <ivoks> or that :)
[08:37] <ivoks> nautilus should have something like "copy as root" :)
[08:37] <ogra> bah
[08:37] <ivoks> but that could be managed with scripts...
[08:37] <ogra> filemangers simply shouldnt be used as root
[08:37] <ivoks> i agree
[08:38] <ivoks> but sometimes i need that pic over there
[08:38] <ivoks> and... well... i need xterm
[08:41] <dholbach> ok... any opinions on the meeting with the malone guys? something like the 11th? any preferred time?
[08:41] <tseng|work> erm
[08:41] <Burgundavia> should I dump the logo up on the wiki?
[08:41] <ogra> dholbach, guys ? there are more ?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> and let others hack away?
[08:41] <tseng|work> i vote for 6pm est
[08:42] <tseng|work> but yeah
[08:42] <dholbach> ogra: at least bradb, kiko and bjornt will want to hear us
[08:42] <ogra> ah, ok
[08:42] <dholbach> tseng|work: please give UTC times :-)
[08:42] <tseng|work> dholbach: did they come up for anything with my request?
[08:42] <dholbach> your request?
[08:42] <tseng|work> about moving bug tracking off the wiki and into malone
[08:43] <tseng|work> linked tasks
[08:43] <dholbach> tseng|work: this will be about the 1.0 release (due in 7 weeks) when main will use it as well
[08:44] <dholbach> tseng|work: so i fear it won't be the QA solution  we all  had in mind
[08:44] <tseng|work> 7 weeks seems like forever in coding time
[08:44] <ogra> hmm
[08:44] <dholbach> tseng|work: they aren't
[08:44] <ogra> depends
[08:45] <tseng|work> oh well
[08:45] <tseng|work> I guess we can keep doing bug tracking on a wiki
[08:45] <tseng|work> and let malone fill up with silly stuff
[08:56] <herve> re
[08:56] <dholbach> hey herve
[08:56] <herve> hi daniel!
[08:57] <herve> read about the t-shirts
[08:58] <dholbach> yeah! t-shirts!
[08:58] <herve> it's still a nice idea but cafe press and other us shops cost a fortune to europeans
[08:58] <herve> especially french probably, we have lots of nice custom taxes ;-)
[08:58] <ogra> herve, sabdfl will care for the printing
[08:59] <herve> Burgundavia, create ~/.fonts, drop yours in there, run fc-cache and you're done
[08:59] <Burgundavia> herve, ok
[08:59] <herve> ha ok, it's that serious
[08:59] <herve> I like tseng motu logo
[09:00] <herve> i mean the logo I saw, not sure who made it
[09:01] <Burgundavia> http://img213.echo.cx/img213/1849/path28895ls.png <-- this one?
[09:02] <herve> yes
[09:02] <Burgundavia> mine
[09:02] <Burgundavia> I am trying to put up the wiki, but it is failing me
[09:02] <herve> the motu, ubuntu logo plus universe theme
[09:02] <herve> ho sorry then
[09:03] <Burgundavia> np
[09:03] <jabra> so I wanta package a shell script but the docs are only for source is there someplace I should look for docs on build a deb of a shell script
[09:03] <herve> I would see a black t-shirt, just the white ubuntu logo with the orbit on the heart
[09:03] <herve> and your image in white behind
[09:04] <Burgundavia> sure
[09:04] <herve> jabra, it's 99% of the time just about copying the script to its dest dir
[09:04] <herve> cp, install, tar, choose your weapon ;-)
[09:05] <herve> I know a pretty good t-shirt printer in france if needed
[09:05] <dholbach> "choose your poison" :-)
[09:05] <herve> dholbach, your thesis gives you suicidal tendencies? ;-)
[09:06] <dholbach> not yet :-)
[09:06] <jabra> I guess I am unclear about where that would be set. Obviously I know where it should go but when I am building debs I am not sure. I have a tarball already
[09:07] <herve> jabra, it's the same package I have reviewed once,
[09:07] <herve> ?
[09:07] <jabra> no something I am creating
[09:07] <jabra> it's a wireless tool
[09:08] <herve> jabra, I don't find what would cause you a problem
[09:09] <herve> I think this weekend is *the* weekend
[09:09] <herve> where I change my debian server for a hoary one!
[09:09] <jabra> ok let me get more information, so I am be more specific
[09:12] <herve> Burgundavia, also beating my head against the wall trying to file a bug in bugzilla
[09:12] <bddebian> Does it hurt?
[09:12] <dholbach> Unfrgive1: iptraf looks good apart from s/unstable/breezy and it doesnt seem to build in breezy :-)
[09:13] <herve> dholbach, so not that good! :-)
[09:13] <dholbach> Unfrgive1: what did you intend with the putty package?
[09:14] <ogra> whats wrong with the putty package ?
[09:15] <dholbach> the debdiff just shows an added entry in the changelog
[09:15] <jabra> herve: ok so since I don't have a Makefile debuild isn't sure what to do since my package is a shell script
[09:15] <Burgundavia> if you want the logo idea, just ask me
[09:16] <herve> jabra, debuild does what you tell in debian/rules
[09:16] <ogra> jabra, sure you have a makefie ;)
[09:16] <jabra> no I dont
[09:17] <ogra> debian/rules is a makefile
[09:17] <jabra> I am wondering if I should make one of if I can get away without it
[09:17] <jabra> ok
[09:17] <herve> in the absolute you can, it depends on your needs :-)
[09:17] <jabra> then I should just add DESTDIR=place for my tool
[09:19] <herve> just cp it to the usr/bin of your temporary package hierarch
[09:19] <herve> +y
[09:19] <herve> if you're using debhelper
[09:19] <herve> you probably have left dh_fixperms
[09:19] <herve> which is a good thing (TM)
[09:19] <jabra> k and same for the manpage
[09:20] <herve> hmm
[09:20] <herve> you could
[09:20] <herve> you could also use debhelper facilities
[09:21] <jabra> just wondering if a real  Makefile would make this easier cause I could just build one
[09:21] <herve> if you have things for it to do, sure
[09:21] <jabra> but not sure since it doesn't compile
[09:21] <herve> but I don't think so
[09:21] <herve> makefiles are not just for compiling
[09:21] <jabra> ya
[09:21] <herve> they are for automating tasks
[09:22] <jabra> k
[09:22] <herve> and save time by detecting which tasks are already done
[09:22] <jabra> can I just create dir by hand or just I use a dh tool and cp my binary there
[09:24] <dholbach> jabra: just as a notice: NEW packages don't belong on MOTUToReview :-))
[09:25] <jabra> o my bad I will remvoe it.
[09:25] <jabra> why is that
[09:25] <herve> jabra, as you feel it, dehelper is not mandatory
[09:25] <herve> but really handy, sure
[09:26] <herve> that reminds me I should take a look at cdbs
[09:26] <dholbach> jabra: just did it :-)
[09:27] <dholbach> ivoks: ping
[09:27] <ivoks> :)
[09:27] <ivoks> i'm alive
[09:27] <ivoks> not sleeping :)
[09:27] <dholbach> ok
[09:28] <ivoks> you needed me...?
[09:28] <dholbach> first thing: in debian/changelog: your entries should never have "unstable" in it
[09:28] <ivoks> oh, ok...
[09:28] <herve> dch -Dbreezy :-)
[09:29] <dholbach> please don't change the maintainer field, unless you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to be the maintainer: i.e. activily maintain it, get all the blame, fix all the bugs, ... :-)
[09:29] <bddebian> hehe
[09:29] <ivoks> :)
[09:29] <herve> start flamewars on debian-devel list, etc. :-)
[09:29] <ivoks> well, the problem is...
[09:29] <ivoks> guys at debian don't like that
[09:30] <ivoks> i had problems with one package and it had debian maintainer
[09:30] <herve> but guys at debian don't dictate the ubuntu procedures
[09:30] <ivoks> yeah...
[09:30] <dholbach> bugs should be filed in malone
[09:30] <ivoks> hm...
[09:30] <ivoks> maintainer stays :)
[09:31] <dholbach> if you make a change and the version was 1.2.3-1 before, it is 1.2.3-1ubuntu1 afterwards
[09:31] <dholbach> (if you don't have a new upstream version)
[09:31] <ivoks> ok
[09:32] <ogra> and if its not a simple rebuild
[09:32] <ivoks> lot of mistakes :)
[09:32] <dholbach> if we have a newer upstream version than debian: 1.2.4-0ubuntu1
[09:32] <dholbach> ivoks: don't worry :-)
[09:32] <ivoks> i know that... ok -1 is -1ubuntu1, ok
[09:33] <dholbach> -1 is a debian version
[09:33] <dholbach> -1ubuntu1 is the -1 version with ubuntu-specific changes
[09:33] <ivoks> ok
[09:33] <jabra> herve: I created the dirs and cp the binary there. so how would I build the deb since debuild gives errors
[09:33] <dholbach> why did you change the (build)-depends for quodlibet?
[09:33] <ivoks> then if u have package-1.1.1-1woody and package-1.1.1-1ubuntu
[09:33] <ogra> or a rebuild ;) elmo asked that we dont tag rebuilds with a ubuntuX version
[09:34] <ivoks> dholbach ?
[09:34] <ivoks> dholbach libc version I think?
[09:34] <herve> jabra, fix the errors :-)
[09:34] <jabra> error is no makefile
[09:35] <herve> jabra, because you're calling make in your debian/rules?
[09:35] <dholbach> ivoks: for quodlibet you enforced newer versions of debhelper, python-gtk2-dev, python-gtk2, libgtk2.0-0
[09:35] <ivoks> dholbach IRC yes
[09:35] <jabra> so then I comment that out
[09:35] <dholbach> ivoks: why?
[09:35] <ivoks> dholbach to make it ubuntu specific package...
[09:35] <ivoks> but i realize now that was a mistake
[09:35] <herve> dholbach, we asked debhelper 4.1 or something for python 2.4 support
[09:36] <dholbach> herve: ah ok, ivoks: you should describe that in debian/changelog  ...  ok, now i understand
[09:36] <ivoks> jesus... so simple package, and so much mistakes :)
[09:37] <herve> CountofDijon, ?!
[09:37] <Burgundavia> joke on #wikipedia
[09:37] <ivoks> ok, i'll build new ones and upload them
[09:38] <herve> ivoks, first package? that's pretty normal :-)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> listen to me talk! http://cs.georgefox.edu/~jdodson/videos.php
[09:38] <Burgundavia> bottom link, linuxfest northwest
[09:38] <ivoks> herve if u don't count those created with make-kpkg :))
[09:39] <herve> sure!
[09:41] <jabra> herve: I think I got it
[09:41] <jabra> herve: but it seems messy the way I did it
[09:42] <herve> Burgundavia, you don't feel comfortable :-)
[09:43] <herve> jabra, I'll tell you when I'll review it :-)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> herve, sorry, don't follow
[09:44] <Mithrandir> ogra: are you interested in multisync stuff?
[09:44] <herve> Burgundavia, it wasn't even you (the first one)
[09:44] <ogra> Mithrandir, not really, i have no device to test it
[09:44] <jabra> ok cool
[09:44] <Burgundavia> herve, I didn't make the video, scroll through to the Ubuntu talk
[09:44] <ogra> Mithrandir, my ipaq has linux on it, i do nfs there ;)
[09:44] <Mithrandir> ogra: ok; ISTR somebody was, do you by any chance know who?
[09:45] <ogra> dholbach, multisync for you ?
[09:45] <dholbach> multisync?
[09:45] <ogra> dholbach, can you test it ? i cant
[09:45] <dholbach> Mithrandir: what shall i test?
[09:46] <Mithrandir> I was more wondering if you were interested in it, since we might want to get a new version in breezy.
[09:46] <herve> Burgundavia, yes, now I am
[09:46] <Mithrandir> one with the gnokii support.
[09:46] <dholbach> i can't test gnokii - it's about nokia stuff, isnt it?
[09:46] <dholbach> Mithrandir: you want me to package a newer version?
[09:47] <Mithrandir> dholbach: gnokii is nokia syncing, yes.
[09:47] <dholbach> i can't test nokia stuff, sorry
[09:47] <Mithrandir> I can test it.
[09:48] <Mithrandir> but I don't want to spend time maintaining even more stuff. :)
[09:48] <dholbach> i see
[09:48] <dholbach> azeem is the multisync man
[09:48] <Mithrandir> ah, that's who it was.
[09:48] <Mithrandir> I'll prod him next time I see him around
[09:48] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[09:49] <herve> Burgundavia, you behave much better than the others, I just hope your audience was a geeky one!
[09:49] <Burgundavia> herve, the room was pretty full
[09:49] <dholbach> he's in #u-d
[09:49] <Burgundavia> lots of women and old people
[09:50] <herve> talking about the hardware database ;-)
[09:50] <ogra> :)
[09:51] <Burgundavia> I think the hardware database is one of the coolest little pieces of polish I have seen
[09:51] <Burgundavia> nobody else that I know of has it
[09:51] <ogra> thanks :)
[09:51] <ogra> but it still has a lot of bugs....
[09:51] <Burgundavia> bug, smugs
[09:51] <Burgundavia> the concept and the idea is what is cool
[09:51] <herve> I particulary like the like transition effects on dialog change ;-
[09:52] <Burgundavia> I think he missed some of my talk
[09:52] <Burgundavia> he also missed about 1/2 hour of question and answer time
[09:52] <herve> (ho boy, don't think I'm drunk... well, not that much at least)
[09:52] <herve> Burgundavia, he couldn't keep it all
[09:52] <ogra> Burgundavia, fedora thought that too, they start their own one now and asked me for hints and help...
[09:53] <herve> you already eat like 80% of the video :-)
[09:53] <herve> ogra, why not using a common one?
[09:53] <ogra> yep
[09:55] <ogra> herve, but that would mean they have to patch their HAL too, so its something we should do after upstream accepts my patches....
[09:55] <ogra> ....which is unlikely because its not that asy to provide a xml spec for the bios data.... it varys a lot
[09:56] <ivoks> ok, i hope it's better now :)
[09:56] <tseng|work> did you see some other distro ripped off your xscreensaver ogra
[09:56] <ogra> http://www.foresightlinux.com/screenshots/index.php?image=xlock.png
[09:56] <ogra> this one ?
[09:57] <Burgundavia> doesn't debian now have it as well?
[09:57] <ogra> nope
[09:58] <Burgundavia> I have seen it in a few places
[09:58] <Burgundavia> not just foresight
[09:58] <ogra> debian didnt accept it
[09:58] <ivoks> :(
[09:58] <ogra> they have instead introduced a "new login" button in the old dialog for now...
[09:59] <ivoks> i just love ubuntu :)
[09:59] <ogra> which unfortunately changed the lock.c code a lot....so my patch would have to be rewritten
[10:00] <ogra> (completely)
[10:00] <jabra> ok it appears that dh_installman is putting the manpage in the proper place but lintian says no man file for binary?
[10:01] <herve> jabra, I guess they wear the same name?
[10:01] <jabra> ya
[10:01] <jabra> getwifi with no extension
[10:01] <jabra> the man has .1
[10:03] <herve> so I guess it's in usr/share/man/man1 ?
[10:04] <jabra> ya
[10:08] <jabra> thoughts?
[10:09] <herve> I'll need the whole package to audit it
[10:09] <herve> my connection may cut
[10:09] <herve> so see you later in case
[10:09] <jabra> aight
[10:09] <jabra> sounds good I will put it on the wiki when it is done
[10:09] <jabra> probably later today
[10:10] <jabra> herve: really appreciate your help
[10:10] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTULogo
[10:10] <ivoks> guys, this is disaster :)
[10:10] <herve> correction: it will cut
[10:10] <herve> in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...
[10:10] <jabra> umm use screen ?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> ivoks, I tried to upload a file, but it failed (user stupidity)
[10:11] <ivoks> :)
[10:11] <ivoks> np
[10:12] <Nafallo> I think that page says; MOTU is so good they don't need a logo ;-).
[10:12] <ivoks> Burgundavia http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/P3260060.JPG u have my permissone to use this one as a logo :)
[10:12] <Burgundavia> ivoks, lol
[10:13] <ivoks> rule #1 don't ever underestimate power of the sun in the mountains :)
[10:13] <dholbach> OUCH
[10:13] <dholbach> OUCH OUCH OUCH
[10:13] <ivoks> hehe
[10:14] <dholbach> this is you? :-)
[10:14] <ivoks> yep
[10:14] <ivoks> winter before this one...
[10:15] <dholbach> that must have hurt
[10:15] <Burgundavia> how about this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Corey_Burger.jpg
[10:16] <ivoks> lol
[10:16] <ivoks> anyone likes blonde girls?
[10:16] <Burgundavia> not really
[10:16] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/francuska/dsc02811.jpg :)
[10:17] <ivoks> ok
[10:17] <ivoks> it isn't porn :)
[10:17] <Treenaks> eutelsat? :)
[10:18] <ivoks> heh, chairs?
[10:19] <Nafallo> in what lang?
[10:20] <Treenaks> Nafallo: "eutelsat" is a European telecom satellite company, I guess
[10:20] <Treenaks> Nafallo: http://www.eutelsat.com/home/index.html
[10:20] <Nafallo> ahh
[10:21] <herve> hmm... seems like I'm back
[10:21] <Treenaks> wb then, herve
[10:21] <Nafallo> I thought eutelsat was chairs in some strange language ;-)
[10:21] <Treenaks> Nafallo: that'd just be sick :)
[10:21] <herve> I guess it would mean european telecommunication satellite?
[10:21] <ivoks> :)
[10:22] <Nafallo> Treenaks: that's what I thought ;-)
[10:23] <ivoks> Nafallo what happend?
[10:24] <Nafallo> ivoks: my rabbit jumped down from the sofa at the same time I rushed by.
[10:24] <ivoks> oh no
[10:24] <Nafallo> ivoks: he landed on the side and now he refuse to use one of his front feets :-/
[10:25] <ivoks> uh...
[10:25] <ajmitch_> morning all
[10:25] <herve> morning ajmitch_
[10:25] <ivoks> i hate going to vet...
[10:25] <ivoks> morning...
[10:25] <Mithrandir> if anybody cares about zope, fixing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279323 (which was 3961 in our bugzilla) should be easy enough.
[10:25] <herve> ivoks, where was the photograph taken?
[10:25] <Nafallo> I locked him in the cage, that's what I can do for now I think... he tries to bite me when I come to close :-/.
[10:25] <ivoks> herve witch one? all in france...
[10:26] <ivoks> Nafallo he hates u now :)
[10:26] <herve> ivoks, the "eutelsat" one :-)
[10:26] <ivoks> herve alpe'de'huez, france
[10:26] <ivoks> near albertville
[10:26] <Nafallo> ivoks: I belive he hates everything right now.
[10:26] <herve> Mithrandir, zope 2.6 is *dead* anyway
[10:26] <ivoks> herve girls are from croatia, not france :)
[10:27] <herve> and if not yet, i'll beat it to death
[10:27] <ivoks> :)
[10:27] <Mithrandir> herve: ok
[10:27] <herve> ivoks, just curious about the location :-)
[10:27] <ivoks> herve :)
[10:27] <herve> Mithrandir, we are not concerned by that version, to stay polite :-)
[10:28] <Mithrandir> herve: :P
[10:28] <herve> ivoks, near where I live, in fact
[10:28] <herve> well, near... "near" I mean
[10:28] <ivoks> herve and that is...?
[10:29] <herve> Grenoble
[10:29] <ivoks> ah
[10:29] <ivoks> herve tell me something...
[10:29] <ivoks> herve i had truble communicating with people in france... why do u refuse to speek english? :)
[10:29] <ivoks> herve by "u" i mean french :)
[10:30] <herve> your accent may be the problem :-p
[10:30] <Nafallo> they are actually smart. when all the rest of the world speaks english, they fixed so that the human kind still has _two_ languages :-).
[10:30] <ivoks> herve :)
[10:31] <herve> Nafallo, seriously speaking, having a single language may be the worst thing that would happen to mankind
[10:31] <ivoks> i agree
[10:32] <Nafallo> herve: yea. that's where french come into picture :-).
[10:32] <ivoks> ok, i didn't want to start a war :)
[10:32] <Nafallo> *s*
[10:32] <Nafallo> I like french. that's why I'm learning it ;-)
[10:33] <herve> ivoks, don't worry, we change #u-m to a philosophical bar from time to time :-)
[10:33] <ivoks> i tried learning german?
[10:33] <ivoks> omg...
[10:33] <Nafallo> *s*
[10:34] <ivoks> s/german?/german/
[10:34] <ivoks> i never learnd english (u can tell by mistakes)
[10:34] <ivoks> but german is very very hard...
[10:34] <herve> :-)
[10:35] <ivoks> i heard from people that croatian is even harder...
[10:35] <Nafallo> not to talk about swedish ;-)
[10:35] <ivoks> i can imagine...
[10:35] <ivoks> Nafallo swedish just sounds hard
[10:35] <Nafallo> ivoks: not for me ;-)
[10:35] <ivoks> :)
[10:35] <ivoks> i know
[10:35] <herve> but pronounciation sounds funny :-)
[10:36] <Nafallo> ivoks: I wouldn't want to try finish though ;-)
[10:36] <ivoks> how many declinations has swedish?
[10:36] <ivoks> german and english have 3 or 4
[10:36] <ivoks> we have 7
[10:37] <ivoks> :)
[10:37] <ivoks> nominativ, genitiv... etc...
[10:37] <herve> that reminds me the latin courses :-)
[10:37] <herve> well,
[10:37] <ivoks> :)
[10:38] <herve> when you say some language is hard or harder than another
[10:38] <Nafallo> hmm, dunno really. I think we have 5 or 7.
[10:38] <ivoks> http://www.german-grammar.de/grammar/chapter_24/24_3_summary.htm
[10:38] <herve> remember two-year old kids manage to learn it :-)
[10:38] <ivoks> german has 4
[10:40] <ivoks> ah... time for bed...
[10:40] <ivoks> long day tomorrow :(
[10:40] <abelli> my lords .. good night.
[10:40] <ivoks> bye all
[10:40] <herve> bye
[10:40] <abelli> ivoks: ciao
[10:40] <ivoks> abelli
[10:41] <ivoks> finally someone from a country next to mine :)
[10:41] <ivoks> arrivederci
[10:42] <abelli> ivoks: where are you from?
[10:42] <ivoks> croatia
[10:42] <abelli> ou la la .. croatian girls.
[10:42] <ivoks> :))
[10:42] <abelli> ivoks: im ready for an exchange
[10:42] <Nafallo> well, I gotta sleep. night all! and if I say "morning" tomorrow, tell me to go call the vet.
[10:42] <abelli> haggai: ciao
[10:42] <herve> night Nafallo
[10:42] <abelli> Nafallo: ok.
[10:42] <ivoks> abelli u have few nice ones too :)
[10:43] <abelli> Nafallo: sweet dreams.
[10:44] <abelli> herve: do you know what burning app is going to be supported eventually?
[10:44] <herve> abelli, not a clue
[10:44] <abelli> herve: thx anyway.
[10:48] <Burgundavia> abelli, serpentine
[10:48] <Burgundavia> abelli, with nautilus for the data burning
[10:49] <abelli> Burgundavia: thank you very much
[10:51] <herve> yet another burning app? :-)
[10:52] <Burgundavia> serpentine looks pretty cool
[10:52] <Burgundavia> drag and drop mp3-->cd burning
[10:53] <Burgundavia> dead simple interface
[10:54] <abelli> Burgundavia: is not very intuitively fast .. but yes its nice
[10:54] <abelli> moreover .. i think that implementing some kind of keyboard control in gnome wouldnt be that bad.
[10:55] <herve> gnome (gtk) handles keyboard quite bad
[10:55] <herve> hit enter in a dialog... hit a dozen times more... then you take the mouse to click ok :-/
[10:57] <Burgundavia> where does gnome keep its icons for file types?
[10:57] <abelli> aint in in somewhere/pixmaps .. wait
[10:57] <herve> /usr/share/icons/<theme>/mimetypes/
[10:58] <herve> er no
[10:58] <abelli> hu yeah right.
[10:58] <herve> there a dir per size before the end
[10:58] <Burgundavia> thanks
[11:01] <abelli> good night everybodyu
[11:01] <herve> night
[11:01] <abelli> .. and have a good day to the others ..
[11:01] <abelli> ciao
[11:06] <herve> what would you advise me to run a multidomain imap server along with postfix?
[11:08] <Mithrandir> dovecot or courier.
[11:08] <Burgundavia> can I have opinions? http://img161.echo.cx/img161/6384/filecopydialogtest5yx.png
[11:10] <jabra> should man pages be gzipped before being installed?
[11:10] <herve> jabra, dh_installman does the right thing :-)
[11:11] <jabra> ok
[11:12] <herve> Burgundavia, I don't like the arrow, and the size and time info need too much effort to find how to read it
[11:13] <Burgundavia> herve, they need to be bigger and more centered I think
[11:14] <Burgundavia> the from --> to, needs to be tied together more visually
[11:14] <Burgundavia> by being more seperate
[11:19] <herve> Mithrandir, does courier handle multiple domains?
[11:20] <Mithrandir> herve: works for me at least.
[11:47] <herve> night all


[10:28] <c00l2sv> hi guys, I've got a problem with ubuntu netboot 8.04.1 image
[10:29] <c00l2sv> I created a usb with it, and I cant see my hdd using it
[10:29] <c00l2sv> any ideas?