[17:56] <_MMA_> Kernel panic with latest Studio image using VirtualBox. Has anyone had a successful virtual install of any of the latest images? (Studio or otherwise)
[17:58] <nand> _MMA_: you mean, kernel panic at the very beginning of the boot?
[17:59] <nand> you may want to check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246067
[17:59] <_MMA_> Yes
[17:59] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[18:00] <_MMA_> This *only* happens with the 2.6.26 kernels?
[18:00] <nand> dunno...
[18:01] <nand> anyway, seems the updated kernel will be available soonush
[18:01] <nand> soonish
[18:02] <_MMA_> .27 though. Studio is stuck on .26 because upstream -rt isn't supporting .27 yet. So, we might be F'ed.
[18:04] <nand> there's a workaround, the kernel option "noreplace-paravirt", but you'll get a pretty slow speed
[18:04] <_MMA_> Yeah. This doesn't effect an actual *real* install does it?
[18:05] <nand> I guess no :)
[18:07] <_MMA_> *sigh*. Ok. Thanx man. :)
[18:40] <_MMA_> Can one *not* rsync ubuntu images from cdimages? I get an error when I try to get them, but not on the Ubuntu Studio images.
[18:43] <_MMA_> with: rsync -h --progress --partial-dir=/partial/dir rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/intrepid-alternate-i386.iso  I get: @ERROR: Unknown module 'daily' rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [receiver=2.6.9]
[18:47] <_MMA_> I realize this isn't about testing. :P Just trying to straiten our my script I used to get my test images. Figured others here do something similar. :)
[18:48] <stgraber> _MMA_: try directly with beryllium or chromium
[18:48] <stgraber> maybe one of the servers is down
[18:48] <_MMA_> I tried beryllium.
[18:49] <_MMA_> Same deal.
[18:49]  * _MMA_ wonders if rsyncing is not allowed anymore?
[18:50] <stgraber> oh, try with /cdimage/daily/
[18:52] <_MMA_> Ahh... That did the trick! Thanx man. \m/
[18:53] <stgraber> np
[18:53]  * _MMA_ goes to prep a real box for some testing.


[17:37] <gwalenn> hi, at begining of the session I always get a reminder to report a software problem. Cancel or send, the reminder come back.
[17:38] <gnrp> gwalenn: When you get that, you can click on "extend" or so normally to see what the error comes from?
[17:40] <gwalenn> gnrp: I didn't see any details options on this windows


[12:30] <Dana1> hmm, bcm43xx-fwcutter doesn't explain where to PUT the firmware files.
[12:30] <Dana1> If you simply run bcm43xx-fwcutter on something, you end up with a bunch of random files in the current directory.
[12:31] <Dana1> But I do like that the driver periodically checks for firmware -- so if the driver is already loaded without firmware, and the firmware files suddenly appear, the network card will start working without reloading the module.
[01:05] <tretle> very active today :D
[01:06] <Kryten107> indeed
[01:07] <tretle> suppose its the weekend
[01:07] <Kryten107> true *shrugs*
[01:07] <tretle> im begining to think my problem with gimmie crashing on startup has nothing to do with libcurl :(
[01:09] <Kryten107> ouch.
[01:11] <tretle> problem is it worked with gutsy on my other machine a couple of days ago, when i installed it on this machine though yesterday i have yet to get it working
[01:11] <tretle> so i assumed it was libcurl
[01:11] <tretle> but i cant find a list of dependancies for gimmie
[01:12] <Kryten107> my Gutsy laptop has decided to hold back 200 or so packages. I haven't bothered to try and sort that one out yet
[01:12] <tretle> so i think it may have been wrong for me to assume, when i am not positive libcurl is a dependency
[01:13] <Kryten107> true
[01:25] <Dannilion> can someone remind me how to set the dns from the command line please?
[01:28] <tretle> why don't you use the gui?
[03:23] <lightrush> !upgrade
[03:23] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:24] <lightrush> oswen da te probwame s  2
[03:45] <ptn107> whats the gusty mp3 package name for amarok (amd64)?
[04:12] <bronson> I'm trying to install Gutsy Tribe 2 over the network...  Repos look pretty darned broken today.
[04:12] <bronson> Is there any way for me to host the Tribe2 CD via HTTP?
[04:12] <bronson> My machine doesn't have a CD-ROM drive so I'm PXE booting it to install.
[04:28] <kyo2142> Hello
[04:38] <kyo2142> anyone here?
[04:39] <MugginsM> vaguely
[04:40] <kyo2142> I am trying to install ndiswrapper and it says i am missing the build for 2.6.20-16-386
[04:40] <kyo2142> what can i do about it?
[04:41] <kyo2142> this is the messege i get if it helps
[04:41] <kyo2142> Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-386/build;
[04:41] <kyo2142>   give the path to kernel build directory with
[04:41] <kyo2142>   KBUILD=<path> argument to make
[06:41] <Wikkedfin^> is Desktop Effects gonna be enabled in 7.10?
[06:41] <xtknight> has anyone else had trouble booting gutsy ?  mine just freezes at the startup after gdm.  alt printscreen only works with little success, i cant get any further.  the virtual terminals acknowledge commands but dont respond to them.  why would this be?
[06:42] <xtknight> this is gutsy amd64 tribe2 btw.  im about to try Live i've just wondered if these issues were common
[06:42] <xtknight> s/Live/Daily*
[06:45] <FunnyLookinHat> Wikkedfin^, yes, they will be enabled by default for any system that support them
[06:46] <FunnyLookinHat> At least, that is the goal right now
[06:46] <Wikkedfin^> im having problems now i have an nvidia 7950 512MB gfx card
[06:46] <Wikkedfin^> the minimize button ect.. vanish when i enable them
[06:47] <Wikkedfin^> on 7.04
[06:55] <RoC_MasterMind> Uh-oh...Gutsy Tribe 2 livecd doesn't boot on my laptop....which is a regression...
[06:58] <RoC_MasterMind> Weird...it booted now.
[08:01] <thompa> gutsy working very well on macbook intel, power management is a bit unpredictable though
[08:01] <thompa> battery says 3 hours 30 min
[08:03] <thompa> remote desktop crash
[08:24] <LeeColleton> when I switch users the mouse doesn't work until I switch away and back again (lenovo 3000 v100)
[08:26] <LeeColleton> even then, the click and hold doesn't work on the new users session (sends double click instead)
[10:22] <lazka> hi, i can't watch videos with the open radeon driver. is it broken or is the error on my site?
[10:25] <lazka> no one with an ATI card?
[11:22] <lazka> hi, i can't watch videos with the open radeon driver. is it broken or is the error on my site?
[11:23] <lazka> again...
[11:23] <jussi01> lazka: what sort of movies?
[11:24] <lazka> with all players (VLC, totem) i just get a black picture.
[11:25] <jussi01> lazka: but what kind of files are they?
[11:25] <lazka> it works right with fglrx but not with radeon
[11:25] <lazka> everything
[11:25] <jussi01> ok. then you need fglrx
[11:25] <jussi01> why dont you use fglrx?
[11:26] <lazka> because fglrx is slower than the OS driver :)
[11:26] <jussi01> lazka: ati support is notoriusly bad. Im sorry...
[11:28] <lazka> yeah i know, I'm happy with the OS driver.. I just wanted to know if someone has a similar experience. (Radeon9600XT)
[11:28] <lazka> I think i will try the tribe 2 live cd then
[11:29] <jussi01> lazka: sure
[11:29] <jussi01> but if you have updated then your os will be more up to date than tribe 2
[12:34] <zorglu_> !info ffmpeg
[12:34] <ubotu> ffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 184 kB, installed size 652 kB
[12:34] <gnomefreak> you need to install it zorglu_
[12:35] <gnomefreak> !info ffmpeg gutsy
[12:35] <ubotu> ffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 184 kB, installed size 652 kB
[12:35] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[12:35] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: the ffmpeg from feisty has a bug, which is no more in the ffmpeg from trunk, so i wanted to know if gutsy still had the same ffmpeg bug
[12:36] <zorglu_> one issue is i dunno when this bug has been fixed :) only that it has been beween feisty ffmpeg and ffmpeg trunk of this week
[12:37] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: it has same version so same bug should still be there
[12:38] <zorglu_> hmm i miss something
[12:38] <zorglu_> Version 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu4 (feisty)
[12:38] <zorglu_> Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy)
[12:39] <zorglu_> there are like 7months between the cvs date...
[12:39] <zorglu_> do i misinterpret the meaning of this date ?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> oh damn i forgot we did that
[12:39] <gnomefreak> sorry
[12:39] <zorglu_> :)
[12:40] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: dont know what bug you mean. notice !info ffmpeg  in every other channel gives feistys version i forgot we set this one to gutsy already
[12:41] <zorglu_>  q. i stream to .flv with vlc svn, flashplugin is able to read the stream. but i got strange behaviour from vlc0.8.6 on this stream, "vlc http://myurl/stream.flv" it fails reporting "first frame is no keyframe".. ok but the strange part is if i do "wget -O /tmp/slota.flv http://myurl/stream.flv; vlc /tmp/slota.flv" THEN vlc0.8.6 read the video without issue (aka skip the first frames which are not keyframe)... any explaination on
[12:41] <zorglu_> thisstrange behaviour ? <- from a #videolan discussion
[12:41] <zorglu_> after investigation, it appeared that mplayer and ffplay on feisty have the exact same weird behaviour
[12:42] <zorglu_> and that vlc/ffplay from trunk no more have it
[12:42] <zorglu_> so it points to ffmpeg bug :)
[12:42] <zorglu_> ok this was just a 'headup'
[12:42] <zorglu_> i got my info, thanks for the help :)
[02:13] <c1|freaky> does anyone know why adept has been removed?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> dependancy problems with apt, i'd expect.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> you should, if you accepted it's removal suggestion
[02:20] <Hobbsee> c1|freaky: ^
[02:23] <c1|freaky> k thx ^^
[04:21] <dissonans> any wine/eac users?
[04:21] <dissonans> eac suddenly won't work under wine for me :\
[05:26] <starz> hey i had a major problem - couple minutes before 5am i see kills to running processes - rc0 etc
[05:26] <starz> thing is i didnt kill it - only one user exists on this system and there is no root pass
[05:26] <starz> installing rootkit hunter stuff but any other ideas?
[05:28] <Toma-> calm down and think about what might have done it?
[05:28] <starz> Toma-: i looked in the logs - no failures and i was on my stable distro install
[05:29] <starz> ;_;
[05:29] <Toma-> tail -f some of the log files
[05:29] <starz> there was no power outage - and i checked the bash history also
[05:29] <starz> Toma-: i just look at the whole thing
[05:29] <Toma-> bash history said anything?
[05:29] <starz> but what does -f do
[05:30] <starz> Toma-: nope nothing interesting ends with about what i would expect it to - and im not finding any malware so far
[05:30] <blueCommand> Is this crash a known bug? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29105/
[05:31] <blueCommand> Happens when I download files or open certain dialogs in FF
[05:31] <blueCommand> Firefox*
[05:31] <starz> heh nice one blueCommand
[05:32] <Toma-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/121277
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121277 in firefox "gusty firefox memory corruption warning" [Medium,Confirmed]
[05:33] <gnomefreak> Toma-: its known and there isnt much we can do about it. me and the other firefox devel are working on an way around it
[05:33] <starz> ignore the memory corruption warning blueCommand :P
[05:33] <blueCommand> yeah
[05:33] <blueCommand> I do
[05:33] <Toma-> :D
[05:33] <starz> my system does that everytime i run anything ;_;
[05:33] <gnomefreak> ah sorry
[05:33] <Toma-> np
[05:33] <blueCommand> Yes wine too
[05:33] <blueCommand> mine*
[05:34] <blueCommand> But it doesn't crash all that often
[05:34] <blueCommand> Just certain dialogs
[05:34] <blueCommand> Like the "Add bookmark" and "Preferences" but not "Organize bookmarks"
[05:34] <starz> Toma-: this thing says something about root login possible - have you tried running rkhunter on a fresh installed system? i'm curious what it means
[05:34] <gnomefreak> mozilla apps all together will do it even after the rest is fixed unless glibc goes back to hiding it. mozilla doesnt call g_thread ever and never has
[05:34] <starz> as ive not set a pw
[05:34] <gnomefreak> blueCommand: crash is not related
[05:34] <blueCommand> gnomefreak, I know :)
[05:35] <Toma-> starz: interesting
[05:35] <blueCommand> That's why I asked if it was known
[05:35] <Toma-> starz: anything suspicious in /etc/sudoers ?
[05:36] <starz> oh i get it
[05:36] <starz> its just that it was allowed in ssh but ther'es no root pw to chec against
[05:36] <starz> [08:31:52]  Info: Found 'PermitRootLogin yes'. Unsafe for production servers...
[05:36] <starz> [08:31:52]  Tip: Change the option in your configuration file (/etc/ssh/sshd_config).
[05:36] <Toma-> that shouldnt be set
[05:36] <starz> mm
[05:37] <Toma-> i know that for a fact
[05:37] <starz> sure? i install ssh first thing
[05:37] <starz> lets try purging and reinstalling and seeing
[05:37] <Toma-> its always disabled as default
[05:37] <Toma-> if not, thats a bug
[05:37] <blueCommand> # Authentication:
[05:37] <blueCommand> LoginGraceTime 120
[05:37] <blueCommand> PermitRootLogin yes
[05:37] <blueCommand> Says mine
[05:38] <blueCommand> Haven't changed it
[05:38] <Toma-> i see
[05:38] <Toma-> maybe im wrong
[05:45] <pimp31415> yeah Toma- its enabled by default when you install package ssh
[05:45] <pimp31415> but remember the system ships without that package installed - and with no root pass
[05:45] <Hobbsee> everybody PHEAR!!!
[05:46] <pimp31415> also rkhunter no good thus far on gutsy - no md5 checking
[05:46] <pimp31415> owell
[05:49] <pimp31415> eth2: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[4963] )  <<-- whats that?
[05:51] <pimp31415> gah
[05:51] <pimp31415> lets find out
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:51] <Hobbsee> well, okay, more broken than it is already
[05:51] <tretle> any news on libcurl?
[05:51] <pimp31415> The following packages have been kept back:
[05:51] <pimp31415>   apt apt-utils libcurl3-gnutls libcurl4-gnutls
[05:52] <pimp31415> you safe
[05:52] <pimp31415> tretle, /topic
[05:52] <pimp31415> =/
[05:52] <Hobbsee> tretle: topic
[05:52] <tretle> i know
[05:52] <pimp31415> Hobbsee, : it cut u off
[05:52] <pimp31415> XD
[05:52] <Hobbsee> i know
[05:53] <pimp31415> just add libcurl* and apt*
[05:53] <pimp31415> yey
[05:53] <tretle> i was just wondering if theres any news on when the libcurl update will be released?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> tretle: when openoffice is updated.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> you people arent patient, are you?  :P
[05:54] <tretle> :D
[05:54] <pimp31415> yesiam
[05:54] <pimp31415> :D
[05:54] <pimp31415> imsopatientitimpressesevenme!
[05:54] <pimp31415> gah
[05:54] <tretle> it libcurl maintained by the openoffice team?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> no
[05:55] <tretle> i thought libcurl4 was supposed to be backwards compatable
[05:55] <tretle> with 3
[05:55] <Hobbsee> it's not.  that's the problem
[05:55] <tretle> lol
[05:55] <tretle> that makes sense
[05:55] <tretle> who was assigned to the bug?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> no one.  it wasnt needed.
[05:56] <tretle> so who's fixing it?
[05:56] <tretle> everyone?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> the openoffice maintainer, when he next uplaods it
[05:57] <Hobbsee> no need to assign a person to a bug, if that person does all uploads for that package anyway...
[05:57] <tretle> suppose
[05:58] <pimp31415> lokl
[05:58] <pimp31415> lol*
[05:58] <pimp31415> Hobbsee, all i konw is its not doing anything that seems to matter to me ^_^
[05:58] <pimp31415> for which i am appropriately grateful
[05:58] <pimp31415> :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: yes.  patience.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:07] <pimp31415> :)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> now, about that patience...this thing is taking so long to puload...
[06:08] <tretle> puload? :D
[06:09] <tretle> lol
[06:09] <tretle> spill glue on the keyboard? :P
[06:12] <pimp31415> !paste
[06:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> upload
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[06:12] <Hobbsee>   apt_0.7.2ubuntu6.dsc: done.
[06:12] <Hobbsee>   apt_0.7.2ubuntu6.tar.gz:
[06:13] <pimp31415> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29113/   <<--- looking at that what does that make you think happened??
[06:25] <tretle> cough cough
[06:26] <SeveredCross> I like being on the bleeding edge.
[06:26] <tretle> :D
[06:26] <SeveredCross> Though it's doing lots of funky stuff with Moz packages.
[06:26] <SeveredCross> Probably because I used the Gnomefreaks repo to grab newer Thunderbird and Firefox and Liferea.
[06:30] <SeveredCross> Agh, shit!
[06:30] <SeveredCross> So now I have a whole bunch of failed dependencies.
[06:30] <SeveredCross> Oh well, that's what apt-get -f install is for.
[06:41] <TreMobyl> so, emacs22 coming in?
[06:41] <TreMobyl> :)
[06:51] <cps1966> : libstdc++.so.5:
[06:52] <cps1966> ! libstdc++.so.5:
[06:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libstdc++.so.5: - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <SeveredCross> Bah!
[06:57] <SeveredCross> libapt = :(
[06:58] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: just wait...
[06:58] <SeveredCross> Oh, you're working on it?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> and you did use apt-get -f install during a broken period...so it wasnt working very well
[06:59] <Hobbsee> yeah.  have uploaded apt, will upload the rest later on today
[06:59] <Hobbsee> need to wait for apt to propogate around, etc
[06:59] <SeveredCross> Oh, okay.
[06:59] <SeveredCross> I'm not getting the latest apt though..
[07:00] <SeveredCross> Oh, maybe I am.
[07:00] <SeveredCross> 0.7.3
[07:00] <Hobbsee> should be ubuntu6
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it's probbaly still building though.  or hasnt started, if ooo is there.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it can wait ~12 hours or whatever.  it's already been broken fro a couple of days (which someone else did)
[07:01] <SeveredCross> I think OO.o might be there, since I'm having some issues with it too.
[07:02] <Hobbsee> it failed to build on i386, i'm told
[07:04] <SeveredCross> I see an upload of apt about 27 minutes ago, I'm presuming that's you.
[07:04] <Hobbsee> oh neat.  apt just got published
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's me
[07:04] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/0.7.2ubuntu6
[07:04] <Hobbsee> no builds yet
[07:08] <SeveredCross> So once it gets built all the issues with libapt-pkg and stuff missing should be resolved?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Excellent.
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Otherwise Gutsy actually works okay for me.
[07:10] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: i mean, i have to wait for apt to build, and teh binaries to publish (er, and probably go to thru NEW too, dammit), before i can upload the rest
[07:10] <SeveredCross> Right.
[07:12] <SeveredCross> Yeah, OO.org is broken too--dependency on libcurl4-gnutls which in turn depends on libcurl3-gnutls but it has to be exactly ubuntu3 and the installable version is ubuntu4.
[07:12] <jussi01> Hobbsee: around?
[07:12] <jussi01> still?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> jussi01: yeah
[07:12] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: meh.  libcurl is just evil.
[07:13] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: that'll be fixed with the rebuild - but there are other changes going in too
[07:13] <jussi01> Hobbsee: looking at your convo here Im assuming its not very safe to boot into gutsy atm?
[07:13] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I figured.
[07:13] <Hobbsee> it's ages until tribe 3, so a bit of breakage isnt making me nervous yet
[07:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: sure, it's safe.  just dont randomly hit y to every upgrade
[07:13] <SeveredCross> Yeah, ditto. I'm expecting things to not work quite right when I play around.
[07:13] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I picked a bad time to dist-upgrade.

[07:13] <Hobbsee> safer around the tribes and such.  *shrugs*
[07:14] <SeveredCross> Oh well. :-)
[07:14] <SeveredCross> As long as my system is mostly usable, I'll be fine.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:14] <SeveredCross> And mostly usable it is. :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> just a bit of apt buggery
[07:14] <Hobbsee> by now, i've even buggered my own system, which isnt so cool
[07:14] <SeveredCross> Thunderbird, Firefox, Xchat, Liferea, all the important stuff runs.
[07:18] <pimp31415> SeveredCross, because its useable -[the jump why]
[07:18] <pimp31415> tho i would recommend it as a second install not main lol
[07:19] <Hobbsee> does feel slightly scary, though
[07:19] <Hobbsee> i found that i didnt have the motivation to do merges, etc, while i was still running gutsy
[07:20] <pimp31415> her? O:
[07:20] <pimp31415> so you mentioned the other day your a core dev or so
[07:20] <pimp31415> what are you responsable for?
[07:21] <pimp31415> [if you dont mind me asking]
[07:21] <pimp31415> i'm guessing apt has something to do with it?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> this is the first time i've touched apt, actually
[07:21] <pimp31415> o:
[07:21] <pimp31415> congrats?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> to paste from somewhere else...
 if you were wondering, i'm the managerial-side of kubuntu, do a fair bit of MOTU stuff, help out with the release management, as a community member, core dev, occasional bits of liasing with the forums, and liasing with the various parts of the development community, trying to keep in touch with everything. and a fair bit of bug triage. + full time uni + part time job.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:16]  <Hobbsee> all of those bits, in various levels of activity, depending on time
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:32]  <Hobbsee> oh, and i managed to get off the irc council, but still go and do damage control with that.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> erk.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [03:22]  <Hobbsee> to paste from somewhere else...
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [03:22]  <Hobbsee> <Hobbsee> if you were wondering, i'm the managerial-side of kubuntu, do a fair bit of MOTU stuff, help out with the release management, as a community member, core dev, occasional bits of liasing with the forums, and liasing with the various parts of the development community, trying to keep in touch with everything. and a fair bit of bug triage. + full time uni + part time job.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [03:22]  <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:16]  <Hobbsee> all of those bits, in various levels of activity, depending on time
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [03:22]  <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:32]  <Hobbsee> oh, and i managed to get off the irc council, but still go and do damage control with that.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: ^
[07:23] <pimp31415> ah and sorry about that hit the wrong button
[07:23] <pimp31415> wow
[07:23] <Hobbsee> hehe, yeah, it seems a bit like that
[07:23] <pimp31415> well from one anonymous power? user thanx :)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> it's fun
[07:24] <pimp31415> hehe
[07:24] <pimp31415> so you code a bit then?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> no - veyr little
[07:25] <Hobbsee> i can patch and whatnot, and write bits of bash, the odd bit of python, the odd bit of c++...
[07:25] <pimp31415> oh and for nvidia the black window thing - taking out triplebuffer + adding force aiglx rendering seemed to fix black window problem in beryl
[07:25] <pimp31415> ah
[07:25] <pimp31415> well thats a good bit more than i can do
[07:25] <Hobbsee> i've never written a c++ thing for ubuntu, though
[07:25] <Hobbsee> not really touched python either
[07:25] <pimp31415> i wish we could get friggan utorrent
[07:25] <pimp31415> they coded it for the mac already
[07:26] <pimp31415> should be able to port that fairly easily already ~_~
[07:26] <Hobbsee> it's mainly bits of bash, knowing the archive, patching, taking patches from otehr places, etc
[07:26] <pimp31415> yes yes i know wine... bah
[07:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:26] <pimp31415> also i noticed that the ntfs-3g drivers use a lot of cpu from here - wonder what that's about
[07:26] <Hobbsee> it's probably on crack.  *shrugs*
[07:27] <pimp31415> lol
[07:27] <Hobbsee> never used it - i value my data a bit more than that.
[07:27] <pimp31415> my poor system is a pos so i'm happy it works fairly smoothly anyway
[07:27] <ompaul> pimp31415, it is the fs that should be abandoned ;-)
[07:27] <ompaul> step into the light and use real fs's :-)
[07:27] <pimp31415> ompaul, while i might agree with you - we should either make a better fat or make a better windows driver for ext3
[07:28] <pimp31415> ompaul, i use ext3/reiser/ntfs depending on the partition
[07:28] <ompaul> reiser ...
[07:28] <pimp31415> i atm am only tri booting
[07:28] <ompaul> I have not used that in years
[07:28] <pimp31415> edgy / xp / gutsy
[07:28] <pimp31415> reiser is great
[07:28] <Hobbsee> why edgy?
[07:28] <ompaul> ext3 for /boot a and xfs after that
[07:28] <pimp31415> take a look at how it speeds up access on dirs with lots of small files
[07:29] <pimp31415> xfs eh
[07:29] <pimp31415> how is that at a sudden shutdown - power los for instance?
[07:29] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: reiser's fun when it dies while booting, when it's connected to a projector, in front of a whole lot of developers
[07:29] <ompaul> pimp31415, not bad
[07:29] <pimp31415> Hobbsee, lol
[07:29] <ompaul> Hobbsee, please not in public :)
[07:29] <awerner32> where can i download the most recent build gutsy
[07:29] <pimp31415> !gutsy
[07:29] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[07:30] <Hobbsee> ompaul: *grin*
[07:30] <Hobbsee> ompaul: wasnt my system.  i didnt do a talk
[07:30] <pimp31415> so ompaul i got some vids for linux+ - talk about mind numbingly boring - learned 3 things:
[07:30] <pimp31415> 1. pwd 2. less is more
[07:30] <pimp31415> ok learned 2 things and forgot one
[07:30] <pimp31415> XD
[07:31] <pimp31415> oh oh the init levels - which dont work the same in debian =/
[07:31] <ompaul> Hobbsee, well I just have a memory of walking back down after the machine did not work withthe projector and fabbione saying you should have rebooted dude
[07:31] <ompaul> and I nearly got sick
[07:31] <pimp31415> ompaul, you were there?
[07:31] <ompaul> pimp31415, yeap
[07:31] <pimp31415> LOL
[07:31] <pimp31415> thats almost as priceless as this vid one sec
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ompaul: heh
[07:32] <pimp31415> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
[07:32] <ompaul> pimp31415, why it never occurred to me was I have a projector in work and I have three laptops and they all work plugging in on the fly
[07:33] <ompaul> pimp31415, then we paid through the nose for the projector
[07:33] <ompaul> it is very forgiving
[07:34] <ompaul> I was not in the day they bought it
[07:34] <ompaul> they would not have been allowed spend that much :)
[07:37] <pimp31415> ompaul, i dont know about rebooting
[07:37] <pimp31415> most of the time redetecting stuff worx
[07:38] <pimp31415> modprobe if you need to and restart x :P
[07:38] <pimp31415> but yeh
[07:38] <pimp31415> and watch that vid - pay specially attn to the last 30 sec
[07:38] <pimp31415> its PRICELESS
[07:39] <ompaul> yeah remember it when it was in the news
[07:39] <ompaul> :)
[07:39] <pimp31415> yeah hehehe
[07:42] <ompaul> most of the time I sit in one of three windows
[07:42] <ompaul> and work away
[07:42] <pimp31415> well - what kinda effort would you put into it?
[07:42] <pimp31415> it would be nice if the mouse scroll worked to change workspaces
[07:42] <ompaul> install it, and work out how it works
[07:42] <pimp31415> and it [on my system]  doesnt seem to deal with the viewports correctly
[07:42] <pimp31415> ah
[07:43] <ompaul> things like that
[07:43] <pimp31415> well if you have a decent vid card i recommend turning on the wave :D
[07:43] <ompaul> well I only have an olde card
[07:43] <pimp31415> say your in xchat on beryl and have typed nothing in the chatlinething
[07:43] <pimp31415> push backspace and the window grows a tad
[07:43] <pimp31415> what kinda card ompaul ?
[07:43] <pimp31415> and have you tried the compiz fusion stuff?
[07:44] <ompaul>  product: RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)]
[07:44] <pimp31415> that should handle it fine if its what i think it is one sec
[07:44] <mrsno> i couldn't go back to no beryl/compizfusion but in all honesty i turn of most of the plugins :)
[07:44] <ompaul> pimp31415, well here is one for ya, I don't even know the different kinds of stuff
[07:44] <mrsno> its nice to be able to control how much or how little of it you want running
[07:45] <pimp31415> ompaul, its really easy to get going - the thing to watch for is your framerate
[07:46] <pimp31415> but i can tell you on the 9200 my roomate insists on beryl
[07:46] <pimp31415> XD
[07:46] <ompaul> okay, so I can upgrade my card and get it all funky
[07:46] <pimp31415> http://lhansen.blogspot.com/2006/10/3d-desktop-beryl-and-xgl-on-ubuntu-edgy.html
[07:47] <ompaul> do it with real topys
[07:47] <ompaul> toys even
[07:47] <pimp31415> i dont like the xgl stuff tho
[07:47] <pimp31415> brb
[07:47] <pimp31415> ok back
[07:47] <ompaul> I should look at these
[07:48] <pimp31415> the way i get it going for roomate is fairly simple actually
[07:48] <pimp31415> install beryl-manager beryl and emerald-themes
[07:48] <pimp31415> then change driver to um
[07:48] <mrsno> ubuntu wiki has more up to date info really
[07:49] <pimp31415> yeah we use ati driver
[07:49] <pimp31415> make sure dri file mode thign is in config
[07:49] <pimp31415> and your basically good to go
[07:49] <pimp31415> might need a couple extra options but thats enough to restart x and go with it
[07:50] <pimp31415> let me post his xorg for u
[07:50] <pimp31415> !paste
[07:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:51] <pimp31415> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29125/
[08:16] <gnomefreak> SeveredCross: you do relize the intent of that repo is to test packages never intended to be upgraded to gutsy using those packages. and firefox-trunk and firefox-granparadiso are both broken something awful upstream i just havent gotten around to pulling them out yet
[08:20] <pimp31415> gnomefreak, how is firefox broken?
[08:20] <pimp31415> besides the darn mozilla-mplayer
[08:21] <pimp31415> uuberstupid
[08:21] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: cairo is causing crashes
[08:21] <pimp31415> works great in epiphany btw
[08:21] <pimp31415> ah
[08:21] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: they changed the way firefox uses it and we are woriking on it :(
[08:21] <DanaG> Has the "long freeze on Asian character sets" bug in Gran Paradiso been fixed yet?
[08:21] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: -trunk and granparadiso not nomral ff
[08:21] <pimp31415> Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_unref: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed <<--- new errors
[08:21] <pimp31415> gnomefreak, ah
[08:22] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: from?
[08:23] <pimp31415> when switching themes with emerald in beryl
[08:23] <pimp31415> specifically of course the window dressing themes
[08:23] <gnomefreak> oh good
[08:23] <pimp31415> but doesnt seem to effect useability
[08:23] <gnomefreak> DanaG: i havent seen that bug yet
[08:24] <gnomefreak> atleast that i remember
[08:24] <pimp31415> also here's a question - i cant get my menus to go onto the panel - say applications > internet > hover on the actual menu and select add to panel > as a menu/drawer
[08:24] <gnomefreak> this week is gonna be a layed back week (next 2 weeks if im lucky)
[08:24] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: see compiz i think i have seen that bug before
[08:25] <pimp31415> it was working for a minute then it wasnt so ive no idea what it was lol
[08:25] <pimp31415> gnomefreak, same in beryl/compiz/metacity
[08:25] <pimp31415> for the add menu thing
[08:25] <pimp31415> but single apps add just fine lol
[08:26] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: it works fine here without any desktop effects enabled (compiz uses metacity so maybe try disabling compiz)
[08:26] <gnomefreak> see if that helps
[08:27] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357637
[08:27] <pimp31415> yeah no desktop effects but let me try
[08:27] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 357637 in GFX: Thebes "Loading time (Tp) of pages with Chinese text is unbearable" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[08:27] <gnomefreak> DanaG: ill look ty
[08:27] <DanaG> Oh, apparently it's fixed.
[08:27] <DanaG> Now if only I could make Gran Paradiso use Flash,
[08:27] <gnomefreak> if it was recently it will show its face in <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:27] <DanaG> and make it replace firefox, and not be "firefox-trunk"
[08:28] <gnomefreak> or alpha 7
[08:29] <gnomefreak> it will hit in one of the dailies but dont expect to find it in repos for a while.
[08:29] <pimp31415> yeah no go
[08:29] <gnomefreak> upstream screwed up alot for alpha 6
[08:31] <pimp31415> DanaG, flash is working in granparadiso here
[08:50] <Biagi> http://biagi.miniville.fr
[08:55] <awerner32> hey say i can't get the gui installer to run is there a way to kill gdm and start x and run the gui installer without gnome or to install it sans the gui
[08:56] <pimp31415> yeah
[08:56] <pimp31415> install in the safe graphics mode its a common problem awerner32
[08:56] <pimp31415> then it goes right into it
[08:56] <pimp31415> and if that doesnt work im not sure if there is an alternate installer yet
[08:57] <pimp31415> !gutsy
[08:57] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[08:57] <awerner32> ok if i start in safe graphics mode what is the command to start the installer/
[08:57] <pimp31415> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-2/ yeah there's an alternate
[08:57] <pimp31415> awerner32, when i did it it all worked normally
[08:58] <pimp31415> safe graphics mode just booted right into what i expect the livecd to look like normally
[08:58] <awerner32> ok
[08:58] <awerner32> thank you
[08:58] <pimp31415> no problem
[08:58] <pimp31415> one suggestion awerner32
[08:58] <pimp31415> while in livecd assuming it boots - open terminal install xchat or irssi so u can be here at the same time if you have problems
[08:59] <pimp31415> there's a hanging problem on manual partitioning sometimes i just dont remember what fixed it on that one sorry
[08:59] <pimp31415> lol
[09:00] <awerner32> ok will do
[09:00] <pimp31415> ok ^_^
[09:00] <awerner32> brb
[09:00] <pimp31415> cuthen
[09:12] <awerner32_> ok i am booted into safe graphics mode although x failed on the original boot and i had to manually reconfigure it
[09:15] <awerner32_> the installer froze on the partitioner
[09:18] <awerner32_> well i think i am giving up with this and will try it agian in another month or so
[09:23] <pimp31415> mm gkrellm does not have a menu entry in system tools or anywhere else by default - unless your running also the debian menu
[09:24] <pimp31415> lol
[09:24] <pimp31415> i told him it would probably pause there
[09:24] <pimp31415> 6 minutes of patience eh
[09:35] <tretle> glad to see some activity today :D
[09:45] <SeveredCross> Crap, Hobbsee left.
[09:46] <SeveredCross> Anyone here know how the hell I can get apt to install after make-ing it?
[09:46] <SeveredCross> I find the binaries, but it doesn't work...
[09:47] <SeveredCross> Err, I don't know how to install them that is.
[09:56] <mrsno> SeveredCross i have no idea of your prior conversation, but did you create .deb files? if so sudo dpkg -i foo.deb to install them, replacing foo with the package name
[09:56] <SeveredCross> Nope, can't create deb files.
[09:56] <SeveredCross> No way to do make install so checkinstall fails.
[09:56] <SeveredCross> I know how to install with dpkg.
[09:56] <mrsno> okay, not a clue then sorry :-)
[09:56] <SeveredCross> She had uploaded a newer apt that fixed some problems with missing dependencies, but nobody has built it yet--I decided to build it for myself but don't know how to install it now.

[09:57] <mrsno> how did you build it SeveredCross ? can you explain the process for me
[09:57] <SeveredCross> I downloaded the tarball she had uploaded, did ./configure and make
[09:57] <SeveredCross> The usual way to build things. :)
[09:57] <pimp31415> did you have the things you need to compile it correctly?
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[09:58] <SeveredCross> I did apt-get build-dep apt beforehand.
[09:58] <pimp31415> sure there's not something wieerd?
[09:58] <pimp31415> bah
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Make finished correctly, so it's not that that's the problem.
[09:58] <pimp31415> build-dep means nothing
[09:58] <pimp31415> finishing make correctly means only a little
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Well, make finished without any errors if it makes you feel any better?
[09:58] <pimp31415> lol
[09:58] <SeveredCross> I'll double-check the COMPILING file.
[09:58] <pimp31415> lol
[09:58] <mrsno> ok well reading the maintainers guide should be helpful, the ubuntu version i seen on http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Deb_Guide
[09:58] <pimp31415> let mke know how it goes?
[09:58] <pimp31415> *me
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Things you need to compile apt:
[09:59] <pimp31415> i have those exact problems all the time lol
[09:59] <pimp31415> what i need is a workstation metapackage
[09:59] <pimp31415> which installs like 4 gigs of stuff ppl dont normally need
[09:59] <pimp31415> so i can compile my 3 packages perfectly >_<
[09:59] <SeveredCross> gcc, g++, make, ar, sh, awk, sed, a C library with the usual POSIX functions and a BSD socket layer.
[10:00] <SeveredCross> Make 3.74 or so, gcc > 2.8..
[10:00] <SeveredCross> I have all of those things.
[10:00] <pimp31415> mm
[10:01] <pimp31415> wierd
[10:02] <SeveredCross> Hmm..
[10:14] <SeveredCross> I thinK I'm getting somewhere with it.
[10:14] <SeveredCross> The maintainers guide is helping.
[10:23] <SeveredCross> Fuckshit.
[10:23] <SeveredCross> I got it to build the deb but for some reason it still won't actually provide libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6-4.4
[10:43] <kingrayray> hello friends
[10:43] <kingrayray> who uses xmms2 here :)
[11:25] <tretle> "(21:23:50) SeveredCross: Fuckshit." your Jason Mewes aren't you! :D
[11:25] <kingrayray> I see
[11:27] <tretle> kingrayray I don't use xmms2
[11:27] <kingrayray> me neither. I did like an hour ago
[11:27] <kingrayray> lol
[11:29] <tretle> haven't tried xmms to be honest
[11:29] <tretle> started off with amarok then banshee, then rhythmbox
[11:29] <tretle> i dont like mono
[11:29] <tretle> :)
[11:30] <kingrayray> I don't like GUI's
[11:30] <kingrayray> lol
[11:30] <kingrayray> well not for music at least
[11:31] <tretle> terminal is usually quicker for most things but music needs i would doubt very much :D
[11:31] <tretle> creating ques etc
[11:31] <tretle> no thanks :D
[11:31] <kingrayray> you should really try mpd + ncmpc then lol
[11:31] <kingrayray> I've been using mpd for like, 3 years now
[11:32] <tretle> I need a new keyboard, i spilled glue on this one last year and the key's have been a bit annoying ever since
[11:32] <tretle> llol
[11:32] <tretle> grrr
[11:32] <tretle> :D
[11:34] <tretle> just took a look at some screenshots for gxmms2, it looks freaking horrible :D
[11:34] <kingrayray> http://hem.bredband.net/kaw/ncmpc/screenshots.html
[11:35] <kingrayray> that is my fav app for handing music
[11:36] <tretle> :D
[11:36] <tretle> a keep it simple guy :D
[11:36] <kingrayray> because when you get your playlist set up, you just close it
[11:36] <kingrayray> no need to keep it running
[11:36] <kingrayray> because a daemon is playing the music :)
[11:36] <tretle> nice
[11:37] <kingrayray> I play anarchy online a lot so I use a cli app ;p
[11:37] <kingrayray> so I can ctrl+alt+f2 over and change the music
[11:37] <tretle> brb
[11:40] <sacater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QADays
[11:44] <tretle> back
[11:44] <tretle> "anarchy online" bah humbug
[11:44] <tretle> :D
[11:44] <tretle> what a terrible game
[11:44] <kingrayray> pff
[11:45] <tretle> been playing warsow lately
[11:45] <kingrayray> its like the only mmo I've played that didn't make me wanna quit
[11:45] <tretle> the mmorpg im waiting for is the new elite game
[11:45] <tretle> ll
[11:45] <tretle> lol
[11:46] <tretle> warsow is a great game, been playing that lately, brings a good name to pen source linux native gameing
[11:46] <tretle> though I think there is a huge lack of open source storey based polished games out there
[11:47] <tretle> warsow is nice and polished :D
[11:48] <tretle> to play the latest version it uninstalled the broken libcurl4 package though :/ and open office :D lol
[11:48] <tretle> hint hint
[11:48] <tretle> lol
[11:48] <kingrayray> are you trying to get me to install warsow
[11:48] <tretle> if your using gutsy id advice not at the moment
[11:49] <tretle> until libcurl is fixed
[11:50] <tretle> im very happy with gutsy as a whole right now to be honest
[11:50] <tretle> compiz worked from the get go
[11:50] <tretle> :D
[11:50] <kingrayray> I've never had problems with compiz in the first place
[11:50] <tretle> never did that before on my machine, used to have horrible problems with it
[11:51] <kingrayray> I hate how the appearance configuation takes a week and a half to open
[11:51] <tretle> opens relatively quick for me
[11:51] <tretle> I'm using beryl instead of compiz fusion at the moment though
[11:52] <kingrayray> as am I
[11:52] <tretle> find its more stable
[11:52] <tretle> and compiz fusion doesn't "yet" have the customizing features I want
[11:52] <kingrayray> compiz fusion sounds like a carbonated beverage
[11:53] <kingrayray> it should be
[11:53] <tretle> they should have just called it fusion
[11:54] <tretle> doesn't matter anyway, as long as they have stopped bickering over the name and started doing some work :D
[11:55] <tretle> seriously considering installing the 64bit version of gutsy on my machine
[11:55] <tretle> wondering if id see much of a performance boost
[12:02] <mrsno> tretle i dont see/feel any different here on the desktop with 64bit vs 32
[12:05] <tretle> Hmmmmm... maybe i wasted my money last year getting a dual core 64bit AMD processor :D
[12:06] <mrsno> im sure the dual cores will benefit more than the 64bit instructions :-) unless you aer serving/have >4gig of ram
[12:07] <tretle> well I have 1 gig at the moment, plan to add another 3 gigs soon but need to find a new apartment first :D
[12:08] <tretle> Its going to be my media center pc/ media server once ubuntu media center comes out :D
[12:08] <tretle> then I'll have another system as my desktop
[12:08] <tretle> :P
[12:08] <ponicg> heh Q6600 for your next build, TreMobyl
[12:08] <ponicg> err tretle
[12:08] <ponicg> lol
[12:08] <tretle> Also have to get some new hardrives, i was thinking3 or four terabytes
[12:09] <ponicg> $250 for 4 cores
[12:09] <tretle> Yeah, Im holding off for AMD's new chipset
[12:09] <tretle> this is a socket am2 machine
[12:09] <ponicg> Heh - I'm gonna holdon to my desktop for a bit - Athlon 64 x2 3800+ w/2GB ram on the 939 platform
[12:09] <ponicg> decent for now.
[12:09] <tretle> so i'll need to get a new motherboard for amd's new processor anyway
[12:11] <ponicg> heh but you can't beat 4 cores of gooey goodness for $250
[12:11] <ponicg> :-p
[12:11] <tretle> amd or intel
[12:11] <tretle> intel dont do true multicore
[12:12] <tretle> thats what AMD's new processor is going to be
[12:12] <tretle> true quad core computing
[12:12] <tretle> not just cores bolted together
[12:14] <tretle> ubuntu has come a long way since dapper :D
[12:20] <tretle> planet gnome seems to be f+cked
[12:20] <tretle> i mean it needs a fsck
[12:20] <tretle> :D


[22:11] <blizzow> is anyone here able to do a dns lookup for the domain zepiyig.cn from a host at amazon?
[22:12] <blizzow> All of my amazon hosts uniformly get timeouts when trying to dig that domain.
[22:12] <blizzow> I'm wondering if it's me or not.
[23:03] <blizzow> anybody?
[23:04] <blizzow> erichammond: You're pretty well entrenched in the ec2 community.  All of my amazon hosts are failing at dns resolution for certain domains (such as zepiyig.cn)  they just time out.  Do other people on ec2 see this?


[00:00] <benh> cjwatson: I think best at this point is I setup an env., to build the installer myself so I can investigate
[00:01] <benh> cjwatson: oh and the live option doesn't boot all the way to X, but I'll look at that later
[00:01] <benh> cjwatson: could be X busted
[00:02] <cjwatson> sounds like a kernelspace bug to me, TBH
[00:02] <benh> could well be
[00:02] <benh> either that or something wrong with setfont
[00:02] <cjwatson> I can't see how the installer would even have any control over that
[00:02] <cjwatson> setfont isn't called on VT switch
[00:02] <cjwatson> so still a kernel bug :)
[00:02] <benh> yeah
[00:02] <benh> possibly
[00:02] <cjwatson> mjg59 adjusted font restoration on VT switch handling in the Ubuntu kernel recently
[00:02] <benh> could be specific to fbcon
[00:02] <cjwatson> that could be busted
[00:02] <benh> ok
[00:03] <benh> I can try using a different kernel see if it makes a difference
[00:03] <cjwatson> I've noticed something similar in kvm, FWIW
[00:03] <benh> ok
[00:03] <cjwatson> but I had put it down to kvm damage of some kind
[00:03] <benh> I haven't reproduced with real VGA text mode
[00:03] <benh> but I haven't tried hard on the x86
[00:03] <cjwatson> in the kvm case, I don't see brokenness on vt1
[00:03] <cjwatson> only on the non-newt vts
[00:03] <benh> kvm uses fbcon too ?
[00:03] <benh> yeah, that's what I see on the G5 too
[00:04] <benh> but I wonder if the ps3 is just showing a variant of that problem that happens to affect the newt vt
[00:04] <cjwatson> d-i uses vga16fb+fbcon
[00:05] <cjwatson> I'd been meaning to try out http://paste.ubuntu.com/6540/ at some point, having noticed that mjg59's patch leaks memory
[00:06] <cjwatson> could conceivably have something to do with it
[00:35] <benh> I'll have a look
[00:35] <benh> the console code is ugly as hell but heh
[00:39] <cjwatson> thanks. nothing new there :)
[00:46] <benh> cjwatson: ok
[00:46] <benh> so
[00:46] <benh> http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/fix_fonts.diff
[00:46] <benh> it's a bug
[00:46] <benh> the ifdef VGA CON makes the font save/restore code be always called when vgacon doesn't exist
[00:47] <benh> instead of the other way around
[00:47] <benh> which breaks fbcon
[00:47] <benh> matthew mailed the kernel team, it should be fixed soon hopefully
[00:52] <cjwatson> ah! thanks
[00:52] <cjwatson> I'll chase that and make sure it gets in
[00:59] <benh> ok
[08:33] <Silicium> hi all
[08:33] <Silicium> iam try to add more than one Repos into the preseed file, can i do this or is better to create a post install script for this?
[11:07] <Mirv> if you plan to fix some of the remaining i18n bugs (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-installer/2008-April/000180.html), remember that Thursday is theoretically NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline. of course, in the installer's case it just depends on a) when you do the last translation template upload to Rosetta and b) when you do the last translations download from Rosetta, so it's adjustable if you want I guess
[11:11] <grrrreg> Silicium: hi
[11:11] <grrrreg> Silicium: you can
[11:12] <grrrreg> d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string ftp://your.local.repo
[11:12] <grrrreg> and
[11:12] <cjwatson> err, no
[11:12] <grrrreg> d-i apt-setup/local0/comment string This is my repo
[11:13] <grrrreg> no ?
[11:13] <cjwatson> the value of apt-setup/local0/repository needs to be a valid sources.list line, minus the leading "deb "
[11:13] <grrrreg> oh yes
[11:13] <cjwatson> so you probably need ftp://your.local.repo/ubuntu hardy main or similar
[11:13] <grrrreg> sorry I didn't paste correctly
[11:13] <cjwatson> (but otherwise yes, though I didn't see the question ...)
[11:13] <grrrreg> my local repo only ends with "/"
[11:14] <Silicium> grrrreg: tjamls
[11:15] <Silicium> thanks
[11:15] <Silicium> damn qwerty
[11:41] <cjwatson> Mirv: thanks. I'm all too aware of the deadline and had been largely avoiding those as a result, but I might hoover up some small things.
[11:41] <cjwatson> Mirv: I've had a fair few complaints about the automatic language prompt in the boot menu, I think mostly because it looks like an accident. I think maybe that adding "Select your language" or something at the top might help
[11:42] <cjwatson> I would definitely have to notify translators and documenters about that
[11:43] <Mirv> cjwatson: yes, I think so Select your language could help those people who are puzzled about it (though it might be mainly people who have used earlier versions of Ubuntu installers, not new people)
[11:43] <Mirv> but usually a selection has some kind of title so it makes sense
[11:43] <cjwatson> it's a little difficult to squeeze everything in, and of course I don't actually have a widget set at that point, it all has to be drawn by hand
[11:44] <cjwatson> I could just put the menu title at the top to avoid requiring translation changes
[11:44] <cjwatson> so the Language and Keymap menus would change
[11:45] <cjwatson> maybe only add the menu title if the menu is bigger than one column
[11:45] <cjwatson> since otherwise it's rendered fairly clearly as a pop-up from the menu bar
[11:50] <Mirv> the menu title at the top would work too, quite nicely even. and also "Select your language" in English wouldn't be too bad since most people use the language selection only once and it's English anyway then before another language is selected... but both solutions are probably fine for people
[11:51] <cjwatson> I'll try figuring that out today, but I need some more REALLY STRONG COFFEE before attacking that bit of gfxboot-theme-ubuntu
[11:53] <Silicium> how i can create a script running after installing ubuntu (on the fresh system)
[11:53] <Silicium> ?
[11:53] <Mirv> cjwatson: good luck :)
[11:56] <grrrreg> Silicium: you can download your script with wget from another server, during preseed/late_command
[12:01] <Silicium> grrrreg: yea, i try
[12:01] <Silicium> but does not work
[12:02] <Silicium> ah
[12:02] <Silicium> i used base-config/late-command
[12:02] <grrrreg> don't forget to chmod 755 your script before running it ;)
[12:03] <Silicium> i already done on the server :)
[12:03] <grrrreg> and if you want to run your script from inside the target, I have done this way:
[12:04] <Silicium> of course i want run inside
[12:04] <Silicium> i only done a apt-get install
[12:04] <grrrreg> d-i preseed/late_command string wget blah; . /lib/chroot-setup.sh; chmod 755 /target/tmp/postinstall.sh; chroot_setup; chroot /target /tmp/postinstall.sh; chroot_cleanup
[12:04] <Silicium> thanks
[12:04] <grrrreg> /lib/chroot-setup.sh is very useful
[12:05] <grrrreg> and is actually used by apt-setup
[12:05] <Silicium> ok :)
[12:06] <cjwatson> depending on the complexity of the script, you may not need chroot_setup/chroot_cleanup
[12:06] <cjwatson> but it's useful if you might care about e.g. /proc being mounted
[12:08] <Silicium> blah; . /lib/chr
[12:08] <Silicium> should be lah; ./lib/chr ?
[12:09] <cjwatson> no.
[12:09] <cjwatson> '.' is a command
[12:09] <Silicium> mhm ok :D
[12:10] <cjwatson> (it means "read and execute commands from this file, without starting a subprocess"
[12:10] <cjwatson> )
[12:13] <Silicium> ok thanks
[12:22] <Silicium> cjwatson: should the d-i late_command show anythin on the installer?
[12:22] <Silicium> so i cant see any reaction
[12:36] <cjwatson> Silicium: not unless you explicitly add user interaction (which is a bit non-trivial)
[12:36] <cjwatson> Mirv: how does http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/gfxboot-language.png look to you?
[12:37] <cjwatson> I might also arrange for the F4 text not to be displayed until after you exit the language menu
[12:37] <cjwatson> since it looks a bit funny there
[12:50] <Silicium> cjwatson: no problem
[12:50] <Silicium> cjwatson: but the script does not start
[12:50] <cjwatson> check syslog for errors
[12:52] <Mirv> cjwatson: looks very good. yes the F4 text looks a bit funny though not that big of a problem.
[12:54] <Silicium> cjwatson: no entrie in the logfile
[12:54] <Silicium> is this before or after install grub?
[12:57] <cjwatson> after
[13:00] <Silicium> and after user-setup?
[13:01] <cjwatson> yes
[13:01] <Silicium> and before what? :)
[13:02] <cjwatson> it would be easier if you just posted the syslog rather than going back and forth
[13:02] <Silicium> :D
[13:04] <Silicium> http://marco.2am.ch/syslog
[13:08] <cjwatson> Silicium: search for /usr/lib/finish-install.d/07preseed
[13:08] <cjwatson> Silicium: you need to change your wget to output to /target/tmp/postinstall.sh rather than /tmp/postinstall.sh
[13:08] <cjwatson> Apr  7 11:53:34 log-output: chmod: /target/tmp/postinstall.sh: No such file or directory
[13:08] <cjwatson> Apr  7 11:53:34 log-output: chroot: cannot execute /tmp/postinstall.sh: No such file or directory
[13:18] <Silicium> uuh
[13:18] <Silicium> sorry
[13:18] <Silicium> that i could find self :/
[13:54] <Silicium> cjwatson: the package postfix want a user interaction to select wun type "internet site"
[13:54] <Silicium> so can i automate this?
[13:54] <Silicium> is not in the preseed i think
[13:54] <Silicium> its runs from postinstall
[13:58] <grrrreg> Silicium: there's two preseed lines to add to pre-configure postfix's installation
[13:58] <grrrreg> postfix postfix/main_mailer_type        select  No configuration
[13:58] <grrrreg> ("No Configuration" is an example)
[13:58] <grrrreg> and:
[13:58] <grrrreg> postfix postfix/mailname        string yourhost
[13:59] <Silicium> hmm can i use this if i do apt-get install in a script, outside the installer?
[13:59] <Silicium> mhm or i install postfix with the installer
[13:59] <Silicium> maybe
[14:00] <grrrreg> I have a script that executes debconf-set-selection before the aptitude install
[14:00] <Silicium> oh
[14:00] <Silicium> can i see?
[14:01] <grrrreg> well, it's a cfengine module, but it's very simple
[14:01] <Silicium> yea great
[14:01] <grrrreg> put your debconf conf in a file
[14:01] <Silicium> can i see? :)
[14:01] <grrrreg> then download it
[14:01] <grrrreg> then run a shellcommand action like this:
[14:02] <grrrreg> /bin/cat /var/cfengine/inputs/debco
[14:02] <grrrreg> nf/* | /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections
[14:02] <grrrreg> oops
[14:02] <grrrreg> /bin/cat /var/cfengine/inputs/debconf/* | /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections
[14:02] <grrrreg> see what I mean ?
[14:02] <Silicium> yep
[14:02] <Silicium> can i see you debconf file?
[14:02] <Silicium> or is this a d-i like file?
[14:02] <grrrreg> it is
[14:03] <Silicium> ok great
[14:03] <Silicium> in will try :9
[14:03] <grrrreg> it's exactly the 2 lines I put before, beginning by "postfix"
[14:09] <Silicium> echo "d-i postfix postfix/main_mailer_type        select  internet site" >> /tmp/postfixconf
[14:09] <Silicium> echo "d-i postfix postfix/mailname        string localhost.localdomain.int" >> /tmp/postfixconf
[14:09] <Silicium> like this?
[14:13] <grrrreg> yup
[14:13] <grrrreg> hm
[14:13] <grrrreg> no
[14:13] <grrrreg> without "d-i"
[14:13] <Silicium> ok
[14:14] <cjwatson> why not just put the configuration in your preseed file?
[14:14] <cjwatson> there's no need to mess about with calling debconf-set-selections externally
[14:14] <Silicium> does this works?
[14:14] <cjwatson> yes
[14:14] <Silicium> ok great
[14:14] <cjwatson> I wouldn't suggest it if it didn't
[14:14] <Silicium> ok great
[14:15] <cjwatson> doesn't matter how you install postfix - any entry in the preseed file whose owner is not "d-i" automatically gets preseeded in the installed system's debconf database
[14:15] <Silicium> ah
[14:16] <Silicium> fist is the owner?
[14:16] <cjwatson> (the owner being the first field, "postfix" above)
[14:16] <Silicium> d-i is debian installer
[14:16] <cjwatson> yes
[14:16] <Silicium> cool :D
[14:16] <cjwatson> the format is "owner question_name type value"
[14:16] <Silicium> grat
[14:16] <Silicium> other question
[14:16] <Silicium> how i can get the "question_name"?
[14:16] <Silicium> if i dont have
[14:18] <cjwatson> most of the questions you care about will be documented in the installation guide
[14:18] <cjwatson> for other packages, if it isn't documented, try /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.templates
[14:18] <Silicium> ok thx
[14:18] <cjwatson> as a general rule, only preseed the ones you need, don't go preseeding everything just because it's there :)
[14:18] <Silicium> yep
[14:19] <Silicium> i only need a base system mostly unattanded (only ip adress and diskpart) and automatically install a self programmed application
[14:32] <grrrreg> ben suffisait de l'acheter ya jours
[14:32] <grrrreg> arg
[14:32] <grrrreg> oops.
[14:35] <cjwatson> Mirv: are you sure about bug 203909? debian/po/fi.po in current ubiquity has those strings marked as translatable - they just have empty msgstrs.
[14:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203909 in ubiquity "Network Proxy settings in Advanced dialog lack translations/i18n" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203909
[14:36] <cjwatson> Mirv: as a general rule, please don't file bugs when ubiquity simply isn't up to date with Launchpad translations; it's very likely that we'll miss those bugs when we do update ubiquity, and then the bugs end up lying around as cruft
[14:37] <Silicium> hmm
[14:38] <Silicium> all config files got the name *.dpkg-new after automated install
[14:38] <Silicium> strange
[14:41] <cjwatson> Silicium: sounds like some packages didn't get configured
[14:41] <cjwatson> check syslog (again)
[14:42] <Silicium> yes is it
[14:42] <Silicium> strange
[14:43] <cjwatson> I don't see anything problematic in that regard in your previous syslog
[14:43] <Silicium> yep
[14:44] <Silicium> i will check that all
[14:47] <Mirv> cjwatson: isn't it installer team's job to upload a new template to rosetta, still? the current template in rosetta does not have the proxy settings translatable, which is why I filed the bug.
[14:48] <cjwatson> Mirv: sure it is, but a bug report doesn't help
[14:48] <cjwatson> we do it semi-automatically every so often
[14:49] <cjwatson> actually, technically it's something Carlos has been doing
[14:50] <cjwatson> and if there's a problem with that process, there isn't really a good place for the bug report - better to talk to us directly
[14:52] <Mirv> ok, well, it's hard to know for most people if something's a i18n bug in the ubiquity code or if the translation template in Rosetta is not up-to-date (since it's being done manually, unlike with other packages where each upload updates the templates too)
[14:53] <cjwatson> I understand for most people, but you know more :-)
[14:53] <cjwatson> I've asked on #launchpad for an urgent update
[14:53] <cjwatson> since it does seem to be way out of date :-(
[14:56] <Mirv> ok, I will keep in mind to check the current bzr templates etc. before filing the bugs. also, I do keep my bugs systematically up-to-date enough so they don't get left as cruft
[14:56] <cjwatson> fair enough
[14:56] <cjwatson> carlos is going to update the template in LP
[14:56] <Mirv> it's actually surprisingly easy to forget that most ubuntu-specific packages have the bzr repository available for checking...
[14:57] <cjwatson> I think, actually, that you can't really be expected to do that; I had incorrectly assumed that the LP template would be up to date and had been surprised that you hadn't checked that
[15:57] <Silicium> aah
[15:57] <Silicium> :9
[15:58] <Silicium> cjwatson: all works now :)
[15:58] <cjwatson> good stuff
[15:58] <Silicium> yea
[15:58] <cjwatson> what was the problem?
[15:59] <Silicium> i dont know, i added the debconf settings into the preseed file and then works
[15:59] <Silicium> and removed the echo >>
[16:02] <Silicium> the software selection is named "tasksel" right?
[16:07] <cjwatson> yes, though why do you need to know?
[16:07] <Silicium> so i need to skip that
[16:10] <cjwatson> surely you need to know the individual questions to preseed, rather than what the software is called
[16:10] <Silicium> mhm?
[16:10] <Silicium> i cant only set to skip?
[16:12] <cjwatson> could you elaborate?
[16:13] <Silicium> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tasksel.jpg
[16:13] <Silicium> i want to skip this dialog
[16:13] <Silicium> :D
[16:13] <Silicium> withot any selection
[16:13] <Silicium> without
[16:13] <cjwatson> you can't just "skip" installer components in general, but you can preseed any questions they ask
[16:13] <Silicium> and how i do that?
[16:13] <Silicium> ah
[16:13] <cjwatson> search for tasksel/first in the preseeding appendix to the installation guide
[16:13] <Silicium> i cant
[16:14] <Silicium> ok
[16:15] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html (7.10 guide isn't on the web yet, but is in the installation-guide-i386 package in 7.10 itself)
[16:16] <Silicium> any i need for 8.04
[16:16] <Silicium> but its the same i think
[16:16] <cjwatson> it's the same
[16:16] <cjwatson> you can look at the installation-guide-i386 package in hardy too
[16:17] <Silicium> where is located the guide aftern install?
[16:18] <cjwatson> it's not installed by default, but you can install the installation-guide-i386 package
[16:18] <Silicium> i have it
[16:18] <cjwatson> then it is in /usr/share/doc/installation-guide-i386/
[16:18] <Silicium> thx
[16:28] <Silicium> ok fixed
[16:28] <Silicium> and the "download language support" only can be skipped with boot options, right?
[16:28] <Silicium> pkgsel/language-pack-patterns= pkgsel/install-language-support=false
[16:34] <cjwatson> you can use the equivalent preseed file entries too ('d-i pkgsel/language-pack-patterns string', 'd-i pkgsel/install-language-support boolean false')
[16:34] <Silicium> ok
[16:35] <Silicium> thanks for your help mate
[16:35] <Silicium> so, i know i can use other ressources but this take a lot of time, and its not normal to get help like this :)
[17:01] <CIA-1> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2603 ubiquity/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
[17:01] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Add a "Format the partition?" checkbox to the partition edit dialog
[17:01] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  (LP: #184838).
[17:12] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, i didn't see it merged or any comments from you, so i just wanted to remind you I updated that branch for partman-auto's EDD improvement at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~superm1/partman-auto/edd-improvements .  I tested it on a two drive system this time around and made sure that it was still picking the right drive.
[17:12] <cjwatson> oh, right, thanks for the reminder
[17:18] <mario_limonciell> once that is merged, would you or evan be able to do a ubiquity release and DVD generation sometime before RC to make sure there is still time before the big rush at RC time to catch last pending issues?
[17:19] <cjwatson> we definitely have to do that anyway
[17:19] <mario_limonciell> okay great
[17:20] <cjwatson> ok, that partman-auto branch looks fine
[17:21] <cjwatson> merging
[17:22] <evand> Is FinalFreeze tomorrow or Thursday?  I was under the impression it was Tuesday, but the MOTU announcement of it on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has me confused.
[17:22] <CIA-1> partman-auto: cjwatson * r263 ubuntu/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge Mario's edd-improvements branch
[17:23] <cjwatson> evand: Thu, afaik
[17:23] <evand> cjwatson: thanks for clairfying
[17:23] <cjwatson> still, no time to lose
[17:23] <evand> indeed
[17:23] <mario_limonciell> whenever these freezes happen there is always the confusion of which time zone they are referring to as well
[17:23] <mario_limonciell> and what time on that "day"
[17:24] <evand> (Just waiting on the new m-a to hit the archive before I start a new ubiquity release)
[17:25] <evand> indeed
[17:25] <cjwatson> mario_limonciell: it's always been kind of deliberate, to try to discourage people from pushing deadlines too tightly
[17:27] <CIA-1> partman-auto: cjwatson * r264 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 73ubuntu7
[17:33] <cjwatson> evand: I want to get my fix for the usplash fiasco in before the next release if possible; in progress on that
[17:33] <cjwatson> (you have to copy .Xauthority into /target somewhere, set XAUTHORITY to point to it, and bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix. Ugh.)
[17:34] <evand> cjwatson: ack'ed
[17:34] <evand> heh
[17:35] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, you can't just xhost + local:"" for the time being?
[17:35] <mario_limonciell> and bind mount .X11-unix
[17:36] <mario_limonciell> I had to do a similarish hack on when we launch setup inside the chroot for mythbuntu: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/annotate/cjwatson%40canonical.com-20080407160143-xh1hutjtdhainnod?file_id=mythbuntusetup-20070702142439-ttoc7269gdy3xks7-5
[17:36] <cjwatson> I suppose I could but I have religious objections to that
[17:36] <cjwatson> and seeing as it isn't that hard to do it properly :)
[17:37] <mario_limonciell> right
[17:37] <mario_limonciell> it was more difficult to do it properly on the mythbuntu stuff because the new hostname had to take effect immediately
[17:38] <mario_limonciell> otherwise the launched app would fail to store settings properly
[20:39] <xivulon> bdmurry, when you have a few mins, can we resume on bug 204133?
[20:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204133
[20:40] <xivulon> cjwatson, I suspect I will need some help on that...
[20:41] <evand> xivulon: already took it to the kernel team, see my PM
[20:41] <evand> oh, I'm not idenitified
[20:41] <evand> odd
[20:46] <xivulon> ah great
[20:47] <xivulon> bdmurray, as mentioned last time it would be useful if you could boot with init=/bin/sh and run a few tests
[20:47] <xivulon> evand re segfaults
[20:47] <bdmurray> xivulon: Is serial access necessary for that?
[20:47] <xivulon> I will try to make a build with (nsis) debugging symbols
[20:48] <xivulon> bdmurray no
[20:48] <xivulon> when you boot, press esc and use "e" to edit the kernel line in menu.lst
[20:48] <xivulon> append init=/bin/sh
[20:49] <xivulon> that should bring you to a console after run-init (~chroot)
[20:49] <xivulon> assuming you can get that far...
[20:50] <bdmurray> This is still a <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[20:51] <xivulon> not sure if it is worth reintstalling with a recent build, just in case the issue was addressed
[20:51] <bdmurray> What did the other commenters say regarding media?
[20:53] <xivulon> Other than the ones that commented on the bug a few others commented on the forum, but do not know much other than the last 1 or 2 error lines: either buffer I/O or "respawning to fast" (which I assume is related)
[20:53] <bdmurray> okay, I'm at the init prompt fwiw
[20:54] <xivulon> can you check the r/w status of /host and /
[20:56] <bdmurray>  /host is 777 and . is 755 - is that what you are looking for?
[20:57] <xivulon> if you can try to write a few files
[20:57] <xivulon> touch /host.trash
[20:57] <xivulon> touch /host/trash
[20:59] <bdmurray> I used 'dd if=dev/urandom of=/host/trash bs=512 count=20' w/o any problem
[21:00] <xivulon> and on / as well?
[21:01] <xivulon> next is to run ntfs-3g.probe on the /host device
[21:04] <xivulon> and if that works I'd try to run manually the scripts in rcS.d
[21:04] <bdmurray> hmm, I'm not having any luck writing to /
[21:08] <xivulon> hmm what do you have in /proc/mounts
[21:09] <bdmurray>  /dev/loop0 is mounted at / and is whoing ro
[21:10] <bdmurray> showing that is
[21:10] <xivulon> can you pls reboot with break=init?
[21:13] <bdmurray> done
[21:19] <xivulon> bdmurray, lost connection, not sure if you posted any msg after my last reply
[21:19] <bdmurray> I've rebooted with break=init
[21:19] <xivulon> can you do the same exercise with /root ?
[21:20] <xivulon> should also be the mountpoint of /dev/loop0
[21:22] <bdmurray> there is no /dev or /proc mounted now but I was able to touch and edit a file on /
[21:22] <xivulon> the relevant mountpoint in this case is  /root
[21:22] <xivulon> which will then be chrooted to /
[21:23] <bdmurray> ah, with /root I see now
[21:24] <bdmurray> The filesystem is read-only
[21:24] <xivulon> umount /root
[21:24] <xivulon> losetup -d /dev/loop0
[21:25] <bdmurray> I can't unmount it because the device is busy
[21:25] <xivulon> ah sorry
[21:25] <xivulon> mount -o move /root/host /host
[21:26] <xivulon> then umount and remove loop device
[21:26] <xivulon> brb
[21:31] <bdmurray> xivulon: there is more than just host mounted under /root do they are need to be moved?
[21:36] <xivulon> bdmurray let me see what other breakpoint we can use, one sec
[21:39] <xivulon> break=bottom should do
[21:44] <bdmurray> rebooting again ;)
[21:46] <xivulon> thx for that
[21:47] <bdmurray> its weird going through 3 boot loaders. ;)
[21:49] <bdmurray> xivulon: you are looking for the results of losetup correct?
[21:50] <xivulon> losetup -d is to undo the loop device,
[21:51] <xivulon> I'd like to redo the operations one by one to see if there is any relevant message (syslog)
[21:51] <bdmurray> okay, I've done mount -o move and umount /root so far
[21:51] <xivulon> losetup -d /dev/loop0
[21:51] <bdmurray> losetup -d /dev/loop0 reports "ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address"
[21:53] <xivulon> losetup /dev/loop0 /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk
[21:54] <xivulon> mount -tv ext3 -o rw /dev/loop0 /root
[21:57] <bdmurray> it has mounted fine
[21:57] <bdmurray> and I can write to it now
[22:00] <xivulon> hmm
[22:01]  * xivulon wonders if there is any reason why roflag might have been set -r
[22:02] <xivulon> shouldn't make any difference but we might try to do in one go
[22:02] <xivulon> umount /root
[22:02] <xivulon> losetup -d /dev/loop0
[22:03] <xivulon> mount -w  -o loop -t ext3 /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk /root
[22:06] <bdmurray> What are you looking now?
[22:06] <xivulon> if /root is rw
[22:06] <xivulon> the above line is the same as used in initramfs
[22:07] <bdmurray> yes, it is rw
[22:09] <xivulon> did you test for rw after break=bottom
[22:10] <bdmurray> hmm, I'll test again just to be sure
[22:10] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2604 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog partman/check.d/03partition_too_small):
[22:10] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Don't miscalculate with nested partitions in 03partition_too_small (LP:
[22:10] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  #198039).
[22:12] <bdmurray> after rebooting with break=bottom /root is ro
[22:12] <xivulon> hmm the only thing I can think of is that roflag is set to -r but I do not see how
[22:13] <xivulon> can you boot with: DEBUG=1 break=bottom
[22:14] <xivulon> ehm no
[22:14] <xivulon> debug break=bottom
[22:15] <xivulon> and look for roflag in /tmp/initramfs.debug (when /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk gets mounted)
[22:15] <bdmurray> looking at dmesg it says recovery required ... recovery complete
[22:16] <xivulon> hmm can it be that if we have a sleep=nsecs before mounting the loop device it will work?
[22:16] <xivulon> because some fs operation does not have time to complete?
[22:17] <xivulon> you may try to boot with break=mount
[22:17] <xivulon> wait a few secs and type exit
[22:17] <bdmurray> sounds good
[22:20] <bdmurray> no change
[22:21] <xivulon> Then I'd boot with: debug break=bottom
[22:21] <xivulon> and look into syslog and dmesg
[22:21] <xivulon> and /tmp/initramfs.debug
[22:24] <joshk> xivulon: have you asked evand to do a sync for the is_supported_fs fix?
[22:24] <xivulon> yes
[22:25] <xivulon> and it has been released
[22:25] <xivulon> not sure though if it is already on the ISO
[22:25] <evand> it isn't yet
[22:26] <evand> I released it this morning
[22:26] <xivulon> not yet on iso
[22:29] <bdmurray> xivulon: Is this important? '+ mount -r -o loop -t ext3 /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk /root'
[22:29] <xivulon> bdmurray yes very
[22:29] <xivulon> -r
[22:29] <xivulon> not sure how it did get there
[22:30] <xivulon> can you post the relevant lines that makeup roflag?
[22:30] <xivulon> should be -w
[22:31] <xivulon> should be -r only if [ -z "$LOOP" ], but $LOOP should be != ""
[22:34] <bdmurray> xivulon: http://pastebin.com/f732280bc
[22:35] <xivulon> ah no roflag is reset,
[22:36] <xivulon> there is another if block
[22:37] <xivulon> then it must be mounthost failing after init
[22:37] <xivulon> can you boot with break=bottom again?
[22:38] <xivulon> then run: mount -o remount,rw /root
[22:38] <xivulon> and see if the remount works (there is some tricky bits involving loop devices)
[22:38] <xivulon> in any case I do not think that resetting roflag is necessary...
[22:40] <xivulon> hmm no it is necessary...
[22:41] <bdmurray> remount'ing worked
[22:41] <xivulon> and /root is rw?
[22:41] <bdmurray> yes, I was able to touch a file on it
[22:42] <xivulon> then either there is an error in mounthost (after init) or mounthost is run too late!
[22:43] <CIA-1> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r587 ubuntu/ (Mirrors.masterlist.ubuntu debian/changelog):
[22:43] <CIA-1> choose-mirror: * Move sparc to ports.ubuntu.com, per
[22:43] <CIA-1> choose-mirror:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-March/000400.html.
[22:43] <CIA-1> choose-mirror:  (The actual packages have yet to be moved there, but that will happen
[22:43] <CIA-1> choose-mirror:  soon.)
[22:44] <xivulon> we have some new mounthost code by the way
[22:45] <bdmurray> could I boot and then update?
[22:47] <xivulon> yes boot and remount /root rw, then continue
[22:47] <xivulon> new code for /etc/init.d/mounthost is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/lupin/hardy/annotate/evan.dandrea%40canonical.com-20080407154533-rztovcdf8foxctkt?file_id=lupinsupport.mountho-20071025014343-c5dddjlu6r8jume9-1
[22:47] <xivulon> you might want to add some set -x, logging, breakpoint
[22:49] <xivulon> hmm sorry, I am talking crap. Mounthost should not have much to do with it, since it's role is to remount /host which should already be rw
[22:50] <CIA-1> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r588 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.19ubuntu5
[22:51] <CIA-1> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2605 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[22:51] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Give reconfigured packages access to our X display, so that
[22:51] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  usplash.postinst can check its dimensions (LP: #188764).
[22:51] <xivulon> in fact checkroot.sh is the script that might be interesting
[22:57] <xivulon> bdmurray, if you break=bottom and remount rw, then enter exit, can you boot?
[23:00] <bdmurray> I got tty respawning too fast when i tried that
[23:00] <xivulon> then boot with init=/bin/sh
[23:02] <xivulon> and run manually the commands in /etc/rcS.d/
[23:05] <xivulon> maintaining the same order
[23:07] <xivulon> S10udev might be interesting
[23:11] <cjwatson> evand: might be an idea to practice doing a translation update with the instructions I sent a while back, for this upload
[23:12] <cjwatson> if it's the first time you've done one, I suggest reading the diff quite carefully for sanity-checking
[23:12] <cjwatson> evand: I'm done with everything I urgently want in this upload, BTW
[23:29] <evand> ok
[23:29] <evand> I'm actually on my way out the door to go grocery shopping, but I'll take care of the upload when I return.
[23:30] <evand> (with a carefully-checked translation update)
[23:34] <xivulon> bdmurray, have to reboot to do some testing in windows, let me know how it goes