[08:11] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[08:11] <nixternal> its past his bedtime ;)
[08:11] <nixternal> whats up Madpilot
[08:11] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[08:11] <Madpilot> not much
[08:11] <Madpilot> just watching the weather to see if I'm going to get a flight in tomorrow :)
[08:12] <nixternal> what do you fly?
[08:12] <Madpilot> tomorrow, a Cessna 172, weather permitting
[08:12] <nixternal> nice
[08:12] <Madpilot> I've got my Private Pilot's License
[08:12] <nixternal> where ya plannin' on flyin' too?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> I am flying to Ottawa, for work
[08:13] <Madpilot> up the coast about 50nm - dropping some friends of the family off
[08:13] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, CLA conf, right?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:14] <Madpilot> have fun. Don't let all those library types drink you under the table
[08:14] <nixternal> hahah
[08:14] <Burgundavia> there is a pub crawl on Thursday. I intend to be on it
[08:16] <Madpilot> Librarians & vendors on a bender
[08:18] <Madpilot> don't wreck too much of downtown Ottawa, OK? ;)
[08:18] <jsgotangco> hmm does anyone know the type of plug used in france
[08:18] <Plug> Me!
[08:18] <Plug> ;)
[08:19] <Plug> It's a two-round pin European plug
[08:19] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:19] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, you going to Paris, then?
[08:19] <jsgotangco> dunno yet will know later but im going to the electrical shop just in case
[08:19] <Plug> (not the same as the UK)
[08:19] <Plug> I assume there are four major types in the world
[08:20] <Plug> as I have a three-pack that goes from NZ/AU/HK/Singapore etc to the other three.
[08:22] <jsgotangco> that's weird its Type E with a ground pin
[08:22] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: two prong european
[08:22] <jsgotangco> but a Type C will do
[08:23] <Burgundavia> there is a great chart on Wikipedia
[08:23] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets
[08:23] <jsgotangco> thanks i will add this to del.icio.us
[08:24] <Plug> Mmmm, type I!
[08:25] <Plug> I like what I know. :)
[08:29] <Burgundavia> http://goran.fimaks.net/moin.cgi/LibraryGnomeOrgMockupFirst
[08:29] <Burgundavia> mdke: ^
[08:33] <jsgotangco> nice!
[08:40] <Burgundavia> mdke: edubuntu people want to use latex for their cookbook
[08:41] <jsgotangco> meh not "want" there was a suggestion
[08:41] <crimsun_> s/want/are debating/
[08:43] <Burgundavia> yes, I replied, saying their own svn repo and latex are nuts
[08:43] <Burgundavia> in a more politic manner, of course
[08:59] <ghee22> hi, anyone interested in welcome center?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> hey ghee22
[09:06] <ghee22> hey Burgundavia, there's been quite a lot of people with different ideas of what the welcome center should be
[09:07] <ghee22> it's getting to be overwhelming.  that's why i split the project into 2.  the slightest consensus is that the welcome center should explain the very basics of ubuntu, which is already done in your doc files
[09:09] <ghee22> Which leaves me with a confused look on my face.  Why can't people find the help files?  I'm not sure, i found them with no problem.  I don't see recreating them as a solution.
[09:09] <Madpilot> ghee22, nobody ever reads the documentation, ever. This isn't just Ubuntu's problem. (...only half-joking...)
[09:09] <Burgundavia> ghee22: no, content should stem from us, whether we write it or just vet community stuff is to be decided
[09:10] <Burgundavia> ghee22: as for implementation, I really just don't see the place for yet another application
[09:10] <ghee22> Burgundavia, is this sentence yours: I think all we need to do here is point the users to the documentation and other help, not rewrite it. (from the wiki content page)
[09:10] <Burgundavia> no, but I agree with it
[09:10] <Burgundavia> it is likely mdke
[09:11] <ghee22> Perhaps the welcome center can highlight the help menu.  perhaps by showing users how to get there they will not "give up" looking for it.
[09:11] <mdke> no, wasn't me
[09:12] <mdke> ghee22: hi.
[09:12] <Burgundavia> ghee22: yep. We have been considering a new start page for yelp, which might solve some of these issues
[09:12] <ghee22> hi mdke
[09:12] <Burgundavia> mdke: what is that brainstorm url again?
[09:12] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/HelpfulHelpVersionMinusOne
[09:12] <mdke> ghee22: I have something I wanted to say to you
[09:13] <mdke> ghee22: it's true that there have been a lot of people with different ideas about your project
[09:13] <ghee22> mdke: i'm listening
[09:13] <mdke> ghee22: don't forget however that it is _your_ project, and you and your mentor should lay out what you intend to do. Don't let individuals who randomly approach you and edit the wiki page take control
[09:14] <mdke> that's my advice
[09:14] <Burgundavia> indeed, I was thinking the same thing
[09:15] <mdke> Burgundavia: so the cookbook authors aren't planning to work in our repository?
[09:15] <Madpilot> does the newer version of MoinMoin have ACL?
[09:15] <ghee22> mdke:  that is an excellent point.  unfortunately, my mentor is extremely busy.  hence i wander.  i want to work on the same vision i initially had but i encountered a lot of friction from this chat room, the very people that provide the core content i want to display.  it's very difficult, to find out, where to go from here
[09:15] <Burgundavia> mdke: unclear
[09:15] <mdke> Madpilot: the current version has it too, but it's not enabled on the wiki
[09:16] <mdke> ghee22: I spoke to your mentor about it, he was keen to talk to you. Try and find him on irc (he's joined this channel)
[09:16] <ghee22> mdke: excellent, thank you..  i am on it right now
[09:16] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: welcome, didn't notice you
[09:19] <mdke> ghee22: his timezone is UTC-4, or similar
[09:19] <Burgundavia> mdke: that is correct
[09:19] <Burgundavia> America/Montreal
[09:20] <Burgundavia> damn, I am going to be within an hour or twos drive of sfllaw and I won't get to see him
[09:20] <ghee22> mdke:  thanks all, i'll be on here from now on..
[09:21] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, get him to come to Ottawa then - have an Ubuntu micro-conf. during CLA :)
[09:21] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: right...
[09:23] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to sleep
[09:23] <Burgundavia> night all
[03:25] <robotgeek> mdke: weird, i am not sure if he used the correct version of the program.
[03:30] <mdke> robotgeek: potentially an earlier version
[03:30] <jsgotangco> hey!
[03:30] <jsgotangco> mdke: i have a q
[03:30] <robotgeek> mdke: nothing from easyubuntu.freecontrib.org will cause that problem
[03:30] <mdke> robotgeek: anything linked on the forums?
[03:31] <mdke> jsgotangco: shoot
[03:31] <jsgotangco> mdke: how many languages there in italy
[03:31] <jsgotangco> or is it just one "italian"
[03:31] <jsgotangco> and the rest dialects (if they exist?)
[03:32] <mdke> broadly, one official language. There are lots of dialects, which vary enormously, and a couple of them have recognition as separate languages, but the common language is italian
[03:32] <robotgeek> mdke: all links from forums point to easyubuntu.freecontrib.org, there was sticky which pointed to the older version, but i got that fixed last week
[03:32] <mdke> sardinian and friulian are the two which are considered separate languages in their own right, iirc
[03:33] <robotgeek> mdke: plus, easyubuntu will fail if your sources.list doesnt match your system. safety feature
[03:33] <mdke> jsgotangco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friulian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_language
[03:34] <mdke> robotgeek: hmm, something went badly wrong in this case
[03:34] <jsgotangco> mdke: but they have major elements that make up italian right?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> say Sardinian is basically 80% italian or what
[03:35] <mdke> jsgotangco: not really. vaguely related but I can't understand them at all
[03:35] <mdke> nor can most italians
[03:35] <jsgotangco> and does Sardinian/Friulian have their own ISO language codes?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:35] <mdke> yes, see those wiki pages
[03:35] <jsgotangco> but there are translation efforts there?
[03:36] <mdke> not that I am aware of
[03:36] <mdke> maybe
[03:36] <mdke> none of the other italian dialects have iso codes, I don't think
[03:37] <jsgotangco> ok i have this problem atm here in our language
[03:37] <mdke> yeah, I read about it on #lp
[03:38] <jsgotangco> FIL is the official lang but TL consists of majority of FIL
[03:38] <jsgotangco> but there are no FIL efforts since its relatively new
[03:38] <jsgotangco> my evil solution is not approve the team at all because its only one person for now
[03:39] <mdke> i think jordi will approve the team if the language has iso recognition
[03:40] <mdke> did you contact the guy and invite him to contribute to tl? maybe its just a misunderstanding
[03:40] <jsgotangco> im not so keen on that it'll just mix up future move to FIL when most of TL can be easily moved
[03:40] <jsgotangco> he's not responding *yet*
[03:40] <jsgotangco> and responded privately to jordi
[03:40] <jsgotangco> with a *technical* reason rather than *practical*
[03:41] <jsgotangco> hence i asked if there is some sort of situation in italy or something
[03:41] <jsgotangco> i could completely understand Catalan
[03:41] <jsgotangco> and Spanish situation
[03:41] <jsgotangco> it is rather interesting really
[03:42] <mdke> yeah
[03:42] <jsgotangco> when Google was localised the same problem arose and there was no compromise because the arguments are academic instead of practical
[03:44] <jsgotangco> my evil point of view is that the guy just became ecstatic seeing Kubuntu and the power to trnaslate and began translating a few days ago of short strings in dapper
[03:44] <mdke> well, IMHO if everyone understands the same language, that should be the default fallback. If people want to translate dialects, they should be able to, but it should always fallback to the language everyone understands
[03:44] <jsgotangco> well yes i was thinking of having FIL as fallback since it can be switched in the future
[03:44] <jsgotangco> but i'll have to consult Debian-TL
[03:50] <jsgotangco> well jordi didn't approve it yet that's why he send an email to me anyhow
[03:50] <mgalvin> someone suggested renaming UWN to the "Ubuntu Weekly Newt"
[03:50] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:51] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:51] <mgalvin> :)
[04:59] <jsgotangco> good night
[07:13] <jjesse> what is the link for web svn?
[07:18] <LaserJock> Burgwork: boy, you might have opend a big can of Edubuntu worms :-)
[07:18] <jjesse> mmmm worms
[07:18] <jjesse> hwo so LaserJock?
[07:19] <LaserJock> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-June/001555.html
[07:20] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:20] <mgalvin> *sigh*
[07:20] <mgalvin> :)
[07:21] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure they don't want to use the doc team repo
[07:22] <jjesse> wow someone sure needed some coffee when he wrote the post :)
[07:23] <LaserJock> yeah, mr. grumpy
[07:26] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot
[07:26] <Madpilot> hi LaserJock
[07:26] <Madpilot> blasted weather - was supposed to go flying this morning :|
[07:27] <LaserJock> bummer
[07:28] <Madpilot> I was supposed to be flying some friends of the family over to the mainland - 30min flight, now they're in for a 4+hr bus & ferry ride...
[07:29] <LaserJock> ughh
[07:29] <Madpilot> living on an island has some drawbacks, sometimes :)
[07:30] <jjesse> what is the link for browsng the svn archive through the web?
[07:32] <LaserJock> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk
[07:40] <LaserJock> yes! bugs.ubuntu.com goes to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs/
[07:41] <jjesse> nice
[07:41] <LaserJock> that will be nice to change in the documentation
[07:42] <jjesse> instead of lunahcpad.net/distros.ubuntu/+bugs?
[07:42] <Madpilot> lunchpad?
[07:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:43] <LaserJock> it has always bugged me (pun intended) that there was no simple URL to go to Ubuntu bugs
[07:44] <LaserJock> we always say, "go to launchpad" but if you go to launchpad.net it takes you a while to get to the bugs
[07:44] <Madpilot> it's also too easy to go to the wrong bug section in LP from the frontpage
[07:45] <LaserJock> you might get LP bugs, or something
[07:45] <LaserJock> and Debian has bugs.debian.org
[07:45] <LaserJock> so it seems logical to use bugs.ubuntu.com
[08:10] <mdke> LaserJock: cbx33 (is that his nick?) was keen on using the docteam repo, no?
[08:10] <LaserJock> yeah, but he and I seem to be the only doc team people keen on it
[08:10] <LaserJock> or Edubuntu people rather
[08:10] <LaserJock> we'll see
[08:11] <mdke> LaserJock: who are the other people actually contributing words to it?
[08:11] <LaserJock> pygi and HedgeMage are sort of the leaders
[08:11] <LaserJock> spacey, bluekuja are also contributing I think
[08:12] <LaserJock> they have an LP team
[08:12] <mdke> yeah, they have a team, but I mean, are they actually working on the content?
[08:12] <mdke> everyone has a LP team nowadays :)
[08:13] <LaserJock> yeah, I think all of those people contributed to the Dapper version
[08:13] <LaserJock> I think there might be a couple others for Edgy based on the meeting yesterday
[08:13] <mdke> ok. I wasn't aware there was a dapper version
[08:14] <LaserJock> heh, yeah
[08:14] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters
[08:15] <LaserJock> but there is an older Edubuntu cookbook on the wiki too
[08:15] <LaserJock> it gets confusing
[08:19] <mdke> yeah, it does a bit
[08:20] <LaserJock> if they did want to use the doc team repo it would be cool
[08:20] <crimsun_> I'm pretty surprised LaTeX surfaced as an option
[08:20] <LaserJock> heh
[08:21] <LaserJock> well, people had used it before
[08:21] <LaserJock> and nobody knew docbook
[08:21] <mdke> well, that's the beauty of this moin -> docbook tool
[08:21] <LaserJock> and they were wanting to get a publisher and everything
[08:21] <mdke> meh
[08:21] <LaserJock> they totally don't want moin
[08:22] <mdke> LaserJock: but, it's in Moin now
[08:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:22] <LaserJock> and they hated it :-)
[08:22] <mdke> meh
[08:22] <LaserJock> for trying to put together a doc
[08:22] <LaserJock> it wasn't anything against moin in general
[08:22] <mdke> this project has too much philosophising about tools and processes before actually focusing on getting some results together
[08:23] <mdke> it's been like 18 months of refocusing on different ways of doing the same thing
[08:23] <LaserJock> I tried ...
[08:23] <mdke> i mean, talking about publishers, without really any results...
[08:24] <mdke> it's just so premature
[08:24] <LaserJock> well, they decided to shoot for lulu.com instead ;-)
[08:24] <LaserJock> after some discussion
[08:25] <LaserJock> anyway, I hope they approach the doc team about it but I sort of doubt it
[08:26] <mdke> meh
[08:26] <mdke> and after all that effort making nice edubuntu stylings too
[08:26] <LaserJock> well, I think cbx33, mhz, jerome, and I will used edubuntu/ :-)
[08:27] <crimsun_> ok, what was that supposed to say?
[08:27] <LaserJock> s/used/use/
[08:27] <crimsun_> ah
[08:27] <LaserJock> sorry
[08:28] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to wake up
[08:28] <crimsun_> np, my brain's slow this afternoon
[09:44] <Exdaix> Hey guys
[09:44] <LaserJock> hi Exdaix
[09:46] <jjesse> afternoon Exdaix
[09:53] <Exdaix> oops sorry about the delay...   co-workers nabbed me for a sec
[09:54] <Exdaix> Im interested in getting involved int he docs project...  I've read most of the stuff on wiki and browsed through help.ubuntu and doc.ubuntu...   what is your suggestions on getting my feet wet so to say?
[09:54] <jjesse> right now we are sort of in a holding pattern for edgy to get started, you could join our docteam meeting this friday
[09:55] <Exdaix> yeah I saw that, can do.  Would that be the best time to do an introduction and such?
[09:55] <jjesse> sure would
[09:56] <LaserJock> Exdaix: have you checked out a copy of the svn repo?
[09:56] <Exdaix> And is there any "wysiwyg" programs or editors you guys prefer to do the docbok editing...  or just hand-coding with like gedit?
[09:56] <Exdaix> LaserJock: not yet
[09:57] <jjesse> i prefer handcoding with kate
[09:57] <LaserJock> Exdaix: gedit seems to work well, wysiwyg editors so far don't seem to be very exciting
[09:57] <LaserJock> I usually use vim though
[09:57] <Exdaix> I was tinkering with conglomerate, but it seems a bit buggy for me
[09:57] <Exdaix> where can I find the command to grab a copy of the repo
[09:58] <Exdaix> I have svn already
[09:58] <LaserJock> yeah, and our repo is complex enough that it just chokes
[09:58] <jjesse> install subversion first
[09:58] <LaserJock> Exdaix: wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[09:58] <jjesse> grin we should have a bot to answer questions like that :)
[09:58] <LaserJock> yep
[09:58] <LaserJock> I need one in -motu too
[09:58] <Exdaix> are there that many people who ask?   I figured the poor doc people were starving for help :)
[09:59] <jjesse> no we are just lazy
[09:59] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:59] <Exdaix> lol
[09:59] <LaserJock> and we can't remember how to do it ourselves ;-)
[09:59] <jjesse> that's usually my problem
[09:59] <Exdaix> what a good confidence builder hah
[10:02] <Exdaix>  ok grabbing now
[10:04] <Exdaix> *runs off into ubuntu-doc wonderland and gets lost*
[10:04] <jjesse> good luck, bring breadcrumbs
[10:23] <mgalvin> jjesse: lol
[10:26] <jjesse> glad you enjoyed it
[10:26] <jjesse> ok works over for the day :)


[00:37] <rick_h_> anyone know how to do shell alias with the parameters inside the alias
[00:37] <rick_h_> should just be a bin script I guess to use $1, not working in alias
[11:31] <rick_h_> mrongin
[11:31] <rick_h_> morning...ugh monday
[11:33] <snap-l> morning
[11:38] <brousch> breadability! i shall fill it with baking tips and articles on peanut butter
[11:38] <rick_h_> :P
[11:44] <brousch> but really, very cool
[11:44] <rick_h_> thanks, been a rough week trying to get that out/working.  Anything exciting go on?
[12:46] <rick_h_> lots of time with teh boy this weekend
[12:46] <shakes808> Awesome
[12:46] <brousch> good weekend then
[12:46] <shakes808> What did you do?
[12:46] <rick_h_> yea, good stuff. wife was working this weekend
[12:47] <brousch> rick_h_: is your boy into trains?
[12:47] <rick_h_> and pretty nice out to get out and play around
[12:47] <shakes808> I took my son to a couple of birthday parties and the Tiger's game Sunday
[12:47] <shakes808> sweet
[12:47] <rick_h_> brousch: on the todo list to figure out I think. He's just learning about thomas from day care I think
[12:47] <rick_h_> ah, very cool
[12:47] <brousch> Thomas was in dearborn last weekend and this weekend
[12:47] <rick_h_> he's 2 so we're still at learning the joy of bubbles
[12:48] <brousch> yeah, a bit too young for that event
[12:48] <shakes808> lol
[12:48] <brousch> it gets a little crazy
[12:48] <rick_h_> did get in the longest bike ride of the year trying out a new path around hte area
[12:49] <rick_h_> feeling the pain of the 17miles
[12:49] <brousch> oh come on. i ride that in an hour according to my exercise bike
[12:49] <rick_h_> lol, well this was 1:15 and avg 13.9mph
[12:49] <rick_h_> and had hills :P
[12:50] <brousch> yeah, i'm quite sure the exercise bike is lying
[12:50] <rick_h_> hey, next time you're out this way bring your bike and we'll go for a ride
[12:51] <shakes808> Where are you biking at? I do a 20 mile track, from my house to the Nautical mile and back
[12:51] <rick_h_> so I just hit sidewalks, through a subdivision, up to a state park, did a round through the park, and home again
[12:52] <rick_h_> so was bout 7mi to the park, little over 2mi in the park and back
[12:53] <shakes808> What park do you go to?
[12:53] <rick_h_> independence oaks
[12:54] <shakes808> Isn't that out in the Waterford / White Lake area?
[12:54] <rick_h_> yea, that's where I'm at
[12:54] <rick_h_> out by Dte
[12:55] <shakes808> Cool, How is that park? They do camping there right? I used to work for a RV Dealer and I think we had some displays there a few weekends a year. Got to drive the Big RVs and Trailer there to set them up :D
[12:55] <rick_h_> yea, they've got some campgrounds, we've only ever really done the paved river trail and some of the non-paved walking trails
[12:56] <rick_h_> it's so close we just go up for the excercise and haven't used it as a campgrounds
[12:56] <brousch> damnit MS, focus should follow mouse
[12:56] <shakes808> If you ever find yourself in the Sterling Hieghts area and want to do some biking, go to Dodge Park. They have some nice paved trails and the back trails are nice as well :D
[12:57] <rick_h_> cool
[12:58] <rick_h_> I need to get in shape to do the macomb orchard trail again this year.
[12:58] <rick_h_> about killed me last year, 40mi of phew
[12:58] <shakes808> I used to do a lot of biking. Kensington has some nice trails and so do Stony Creek.
[12:58] <shakes808> Damn
[12:58] <shakes808> That sounds amazing
[12:58] <rick_h_> yea, I've heard kensington is nice, one of the MUG guys rides there a lot
[12:59] <rick_h_> http://www.macombcountymi.gov/macomborchardtrail/index.htm
[12:59] <shakes808> I like doing the trail at 25? mile and Shelby road all the way to Rochester and back. Not long but fun
[12:59] <rick_h_> 24mi out, stop for lunch, 24mi back, all paved pretty nice
[12:59] <shakes808> lol
[12:59] <shakes808> haha
[12:59] <shakes808> that is the one I just mentioned
[12:59] <shakes808> Didn't know the name of it
[12:59] <shakes808> :D
[13:03] <shakes808> That is the start of another trail, I think. I start at the 25 mile area and head south
[13:05] <shakes808> I take that to downtown Rochester and stop at the Brewery there for a drink and light bite and then head back. :D I am always tempted to fill my camel pack up with some fine drink :D Make the trip back that much more enjoyable ;)
[13:08] <snap-l> Good morning, again
[13:11] <shakes808> G'day Chap!
[13:33] <snap-l> I'm at that point in Pyweek when I'm happy I have something simple to display on the page, but then the realization of how far I have to go sets in
[13:34] <shakes808> Did I tell you, I got my game working
[13:35] <shakes808> Here it is: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13889126/Python/FINAL222.tar.gz
[13:35] <shakes808> Enemy sprites are there. Levels are working. It runs better on in Linux then Windows. It doesn't lag like I was saying it did in Windows.
[13:36] <brousch> big surprise
[13:36] <shakes808> lol
[13:36] <snap-l> shakes808: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to look at it yet.
[13:36] <snap-l> Will probably look at it after this week
[13:37] <shakes808> Gotcha, I didn't know if I updated you on it
[13:37] <snap-l> Yeah, you did
[13:37] <shakes808> cool
[13:37] <shakes808> What are you making for pyweek?
[13:38] <snap-l> With any luck, a working game that's fun to play. :)
[13:38] <shakes808> haah
[13:38] <shakes808> ha
[13:38] <snap-l> The theme is "Mad Scientist".  Not sure what at this point)
[13:40] <snap-l> But the hard part is to get the professor to bumble about
[13:40]  * snap-l has only done simple AI in the past.
[13:41] <shakes808> What do you want him to do?
[13:42] <snap-l> Path finding, bumbling, pick up the wrong item if it isn't in the right spot.
[13:42] <snap-l> pick up the right item if it is in the right spot
[13:42] <snap-l> chase the lab assistant
[13:42] <shakes808> So just pick up random items?
[13:43] <snap-l> Yes and no
[13:43] <_Marcus> maybe
[13:43] <shakes808> Why not have specific locations where there are items but have a random item generate in those spots
[13:43] <snap-l> I think he'll have a timer before he starts picking up things
[13:44] <snap-l> that'll give the player some time to get things into the right spots
[13:44] <shakes808> OH, you want the player to be able to put the items in the spots
[13:44] <snap-l> shakes808: Oh, I can figure out how to get him to find objects in different locations. That's not a problem
[13:44] <shakes808> or switch them around like a puzzle
[13:44] <snap-l> problem is if I put walls and stuff in there.
[13:45] <snap-l> I may need to simplify the problem so I don't have to resort to A* pathfinding
[13:45] <shakes808> Could make a simple map of 1s and 0s and denote each as an object that blocks or not
[13:46] <snap-l> which wouldn't be so bad, but it's all in how much time I have to finish
[13:46] <snap-l> busy-busy-bugs became that sort of simplification
[13:46] <snap-l> cut out that which can't be coded in time
[13:46] <shakes808> I still need to try that out
[13:46] <snap-l> shakes808: Just understand that it only has 20 coded levels
[13:47] <snap-l> so if you get to level 160+, you've essentially beaten the game
[13:47] <snap-l> had someone actually lodge that as a complaint during the judging
[13:47] <jrwren> rick_h_: 13.9mph 17 miles!!!  holy crap! very impressive.
[13:47] <jrwren> wtf are you riding?
[13:47] <snap-l> which surprised me.
[13:47] <shakes808> That is a lot of levels
[13:47] <shakes808> Why would they complain?
[13:47] <shakes808> lol
[13:48] <jrwren> brousch: https://sinewalker.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/ms-windows-focus-follows-mouse-registry-hacks/
[13:48] <brousch> heh, thanks
[13:48] <snap-l> shakes808: Because they couldn't "win". It never got harder than level 20
[13:48] <shakes808> gotcha
[13:48] <snap-l> brousch: Trust me, Windows can't handle focus follows mouse
[13:48] <snap-l> at least Win 95 / 98 couldn't.
[13:48] <shakes808> Could increase the speed :D
[13:49] <snap-l> shakes808: If I ever get the itch to play with that code again, yes. :)
[13:49] <shakes808> "make smaller pong paddles"
[13:49] <snap-l> It needed more animation too
[13:49] <shakes808> Gotcha
[13:49] <snap-l> again, compromises to finish. :)
[13:50] <shakes808> If you need any help with animation / graphics, I know someone that MIGHT be willing to help out with it. She is a graphics major and wants to do games.
[13:50] <shakes808> lol
[13:50] <snap-l> twisted twister never got sound either.
[13:50] <shakes808> I understand
[13:50] <snap-l> shakes808: That's the fun / beauty of these competitions.
[13:50] <shakes808> I play a little guitar and bass if you want some sounds :D
[13:50] <snap-l> shakes808: I do a little composition. :)
[13:51] <shakes808> nice
[13:51] <shakes808> electronic or instrumental?
[13:51] <snap-l> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/364994/echochasm
[13:51] <snap-l> Electronic, as I only play drums
[13:51] <shakes808> I believe you have some drum sticks in  your cube.
[13:51] <shakes808> lol
[13:51] <snap-l> yep
[13:53] <shakes808> Space Noodle sounds like something the Blue Man Group would do :D With the PVC Pipes
[13:53] <shakes808> Not sure if that is what you were going for or if you take that as a compliment, but it is cool :D
[13:56] <snap-l> Thanks. :)
[13:56] <snap-l> Eventually I'll learn melody / harmony. :)
[13:56] <shakes808> HA HA
[13:57] <shakes808> Some of the best is just by ear and what sounds good, not what is technically suppose to be the next note(s).
[13:57] <shakes808> Santriani is a good technical player, but Claypools is a good, meh this sounds cool
[13:57] <shakes808> player
[13:59] <snap-l> 4J2006 is the latest of them
[14:00] <shakes808> lol That one just started :D
[14:00] <snap-l> Originally wanted to make a song for JoDee to sing
[14:00] <shakes808> Jamacan :D
[14:00] <shakes808> I am assuming that JoDee is your wife?
[14:00] <snap-l> Uses an old Roland
[14:00] <snap-l> Yep
[14:00] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJi_wXPf43g
[14:01] <snap-l> ROland D110
[14:01] <shakes808> This what you are using?
[14:01] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urYQt0GPS74
[14:01] <snap-l> That's what I used for 4J
[14:01] <snap-l> I use software synths most of the time
[14:02] <snap-l> http://lmms.sourceforge.net/
[14:03] <shakes808> wow, that looks like it is a fully functioning software like the suit I bought
[14:03] <shakes808> lol
[14:04] <snap-l> shakes808: Yeah, it's pretty sweet
[14:04] <snap-l> Most of the stuff that I used previously was rosegarden and MuSE
[14:04] <snap-l> but LMMS is where I do my noodling now.
[14:05] <rick_h_> jrwren: running a specialized crosstrail bike. <3 clip in pedals :)
[14:05] <shakes808> That is pretty sweet. lol The software that I got is quite few years old and haven't even installed it. Bought it from Guitar Center with a bunch of gift certs.
[14:05] <rick_h_> jrwren: it's actually higher than that, but my bike computer doesn't stop when I stop for lights and such so those stops bring the avg down
[14:06] <snap-l> shakes808: what did you pick up?
[14:06] <shakes808> ?? Sonar
[14:07] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[14:07] <snap-l> Haven't played with any of the commercial packages since Cakewalk
[14:07] <shakes808> I couldn't install it on my PC I built because I didn't get a DVD Drive.
[14:07] <snap-l> (and we're talking Cakewalk on a Win 3.1 machine)
[14:07] <shakes808> HA HA
[14:07] <shakes808> nice
[14:07] <shakes808> Sonar is Cakewalk
[14:08] <snap-l> Though I did try some demo Mac programs on a 68040-based mac (Quadra 840AV)
[14:08] <shakes808> I think it is in storage atm. When I get to take my stuff out of storage, I will mess with it :D
[14:08] <shakes808> And if you want to play around with it, you are more than welcome to it
[14:15] <snap-l> Nah, that's fine. I have enough to get into trouble with at the moment. :)
[14:15] <snap-l> thank you, though
[14:16] <shakes808> :D
[14:18] <jrwren> are those roland d110 wave forms for fmsynth? what year was it?
[14:19] <jrwren> rick_h_: crosstrail, like CX?
[14:19] <rick_h_> jrwren: like this: http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkFamily.jsp?sid=11CrossTrail&scid=0&scname=
[14:19] <rick_h_> but a couple of years old now
[14:20] <jrwren> rick_h_: *nod* i don't even use a bike computer, just GPS and it tells me my 7mi trips are 12mph
[14:20] <rick_h_> ah, yea $30 bike computer easier to replace so the phone just plays music in the sadlebad protected (hopefully)
[14:20] <jrwren> hardtail?
[14:21] <jrwren> oh, i keep the phone in my pocket on my person :)
[14:21] <shakes808> Camel pack is where it is safest
[14:21] <shakes808> :D
[14:22] <rick_h_> jrwren: I've got http://www.amazon.com/Topeak-QR-Beam-Rack-Bicycle/dp/B000FI6WSG/ref=pd_sim_sg_5 on there
[14:22] <rick_h_> jrwren: but since I've gotten some bike shirts now with the pockets in teh back tempted to try to keep the phone in there instead
[14:23] <rick_h_> I've just fallen a couple of times with the clip in pedals so don't want to land on my $$$ phone
[14:23] <rick_h_> honestly almost tempted to do music another way and start leaving it at home
[14:24] <snap-l> jrwren: I have a D110. Was doing MIDI with MuSE.
[14:24] <snap-l> Was mostly because I wanted to play with it, and JoDee was busy working on something, so I could use headphones. :)
[14:28] <jrwren> i don't wear bike clothes, just shorts and a tshirt to show my lack of commitment.s
[14:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: I've started going bike clothes this last week, much much more comfy for sure
[14:28] <jrwren> i have something veyr similar to this: http://www.amazon.com/Topeak-63107030-Explorer-Bike-Rack/dp/B000FIE3WI/ref=pd_sim_sg_2
[14:28] <jrwren> kids seat used to slide onto it.
[14:28] <jrwren> I guess I can remove it since kid is too big now :)
[14:28] <rick_h_> yea, less weight ftw
[14:29] <jrwren> lol, i'm on a 2000 Trek 830, I'm already super heavy.
[14:29] <jrwren> my tires weigh more than a lot of street bikes
[14:35] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh yea mine's pretty heavy for a 'new' bike so like the idea of getting hte rear bag off when I don't need it
[14:36] <rick_h_> but afraid of walking 10mi home if something goes boom so like to have my emergency gear in that rear bag
[14:41] <jrwren> ah.
[14:41] <jrwren> ya know, I've ridden for 10 yrs (although not much for 5 in the middle there) and never had an emergency bag and never had an incident.
[14:42] <jrwren> its one thing i really like about my Trek, i abuse teh hell out of it, and it keeps going
[14:42] <rick_h_> I went on a 40mi ride with a guy on a road bike that had a flat for no obvious reason
[14:42] <rick_h_> just up and went flat, paved clean trail, took him 20min to pip off, replace, put back on, etc. so kind of convinced me having a mini toolset, etc would be good
[14:43] <rick_h_> so carry spare pump, inner tube, patch kit, tool deal, and air pressure gauge
[14:43] <jrwren> yup
[14:43] <jrwren> i road with a guy on a touring bike an dhe had flats all the time.
[14:43] <jrwren> i'll stick with my rugged mntn bike
[14:43] <rick_h_> should probably carry some bandages the way people like to take intersectinos sans-signals and looking while on the phone
[14:44] <jrwren> oh a kit and a tube is definitely a good idea.
[14:44] <jrwren> I'm a high risk person in general.
[14:44] <shakes808> rick_h_: Wise choice. I seen someone that was on their bike get hit crossing over Schoenherr and Hall Rd.
[14:45] <rick_h_> ugh, I know it'll happen one day. Everyone that rides much seems to get hit a few times, but not looking forward to the feeling
[14:46] <shakes808> Someone should invent the bicycle air bags.  First time doing that ever and first time using grub2 to do it!  HURRAY FOR Linux getting REALLY AWESOME
[15:47] <rick_h_> hah
[15:47] <jrwren> rick_h_: agreed, i'm reading the G+ thread and it is a little depressing but Lennart just seems blind to reality
[15:49] <rick_h_> let's just say it's been heavily disussed and not everyone likes code with little tests and massive combined responsibility
[15:49] <jrwren> dude, you don't have to defend anything.
[15:50] <rick_h_> sorry, the way that was phrased rubbed me very wrong
[15:50] <jrwren> Lennart seems to be just barely walking the line of how to influence people RMS style.
[15:50] <rick_h_> "From what I am hearing behind the scenes this appears to be very much about control. They control Upstart (both by being maintainer and even enforcing copyright assignment), and they think they don't control systemd. "
[15:50] <jrwren> oh yeah.
[15:50] <jrwren> Lennart is CRAZY
[15:50] <jrwren> I've now read (well, mostly skimmed) the whole thread.
[15:51] <rick_h_> there's a solid dozen 'technical' reasons nothing to do with freaking control
[15:51] <jrwren> Jeff Waugh and Scott James Remnant chime in.
[15:52] <jrwren> and if you want to argue about control, why is systemd encompassing udevd like they are? *sheesH*
[15:52] <jrwren> it all seems a bit parandoid
[15:52] <rick_h_> love this "who uses upstart?" http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Technical_Notes/deployment.html
[15:52] <jrwren> *paranoid
[15:53] <jrwren> hahaha, yeah!
[15:58] <devinheitmueller> my experience is that Lennart is as crazy in person as he is in email (unfortuantely).
[15:58] <devinheitmueller> For some people I know, they communicate poorly via email and are much nicer in person.  Lennart is not one of those people.
[15:59] <rick_h_> hah, well ok glad this impression I'm forming I'm allowed to hold onto :)
[16:01] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/05/google-hangouts-on-air-live-broadcasting-is-now-out-of-beta.ars
[16:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: Wondered how long it would take for you to notice. :)
[16:40] <snap-l> Does this mean I need to get a camera? :)'
[16:40] <rick_h_> snap-l: I tried to order you one and get it sent to you, but I only have your old apt address in the system :(
[16:41] <rick_h_> if I were to get a copy of a new address...
[16:43] <snap-l> I think my wishlist has the updated address.
[16:43] <snap-l> at least, I updated it since Christmas
[16:44] <rick_h_> I can't see it from there, just your city
[16:44] <rick_h_> ah nvm
[16:46] <jrwren> testdrive using lxc instead of kvm could be sweet. http://www.stgraber.org/2012/03/04/booting-an-ubuntu-12-04-virtual-machine-in-an-lxc-container/
[17:09] <jrwren> oh, and I didn't explicitly say it, but the UPS i got is a cyberpower and they ship a deb that works perfectly for me. YAY! so cool.
[17:13] <jrwren> Mark is just really smart and a good leader
[17:13] <jrwren> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/01/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t21:43
[17:13] <jrwren> compare that attitude to the guy we read earlier. Lennart
[17:15] <rick_h_> kind of cool: http://bartongeorge.net/2012/05/07/introducing-project-sputnik-developer-laptop/
[17:15] <greg-g> jrwren: except when you actually get to have a "conversation" with him (in, say, Community Council meetings)
[17:16]  * greg-g has been burned by too many unhelpful CC meetings where in the end it is "well, I envoke my sabdfl status"
[17:16] <brousch> how's debian treating you?
[17:18] <greg-g> brousch: wonderfully.
[17:18] <greg-g> GNOME Shell actually, you know, works.
[17:18] <brousch> i have to keep looking around what with kubuntu's uncertain future
[17:18] <brousch> for some definition of work
[17:18] <greg-g> KDE users have it been in Ubunut than GNOME users
[17:19] <greg-g> Kubuntu is basically straight up KDE whereas GNOME is, well, not.
[17:19] <jrwren> so... is it me or was open week a little scaled back compared to years past? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:19] <greg-g> (as in, Kubuntu devs work with upstream first, as opposed to an afterthought "gotta make the upstreams happy or we here it in the blogs" thing)
[17:19] <brousch> right, but now kubuntu is being run by the mysterious blue systems
[17:20] <greg-g> brousch: funded by with Kubuntu governance, but yeah, he who weilds the money weilds power
[17:20] <greg-g> wow, I just did a hear/here "typo"
[17:21] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, they did fewer days across more timezones to enable more worldwide participation
[17:21] <brousch> greg-g: the internet rots your brain
[17:22] <rick_h_> jrwren: so longer days, fewer days
[17:22] <rick_h_> jrwren: then again I look at that page and go...hmmm
[17:22] <jrwren> but even number of sessions seems smaller.
[17:23] <rick_h_> yea, guess it gets harder to get people to do these things maybe?
[17:23] <rick_h_> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/13314396358/irc-workshops-for-12-04
[17:23] <greg-g> brousch: this is your brain on the internet
[17:24] <snap-l> Y'know, does this UDS seem kind of fatalistic to anyone else?
[17:24] <rick_h_> snap-l: how so?
[17:24] <snap-l> like "who cares what I think, it's just business as usual"
[17:24] <snap-l> I pretty much couldn't care less what comes out of this UDS.
[17:24] <rick_h_> I've not been following so not sure what's come up
[17:25] <snap-l> I have 12.04. I'm happy. I'm not concerning myself with it for a while.
[17:25] <brousch> snap-l: it might be a symptom of the LTS. you know you can sit on it for years if you need to
[17:26] <snap-l> Kind of in the greg-g camp of "well, sabdfl and some cabal will do what they want, so who cares what I think?"
[17:26] <snap-l> brousch: Exactly.
[17:26] <rick_h_> yea, I think that's a good sign though really. People (except greg-g :P ) seem pretty happy with 12.04...kind of that satisfied post-thanksgiving time
[17:26] <snap-l> I just dread what sort of clusterfuck will come out of this UDS
[17:26] <rick_h_> well the debate on just how much input/etc you have has been a debate for years though
[17:26] <snap-l> Maybe that's it, right there.
[17:26] <brousch> i mean, even with the blue systems thing i feel like i'm in good shape for 2 years
[17:27] <rick_h_> we've had that discussion many times
[17:27] <snap-l> 12.04 was so it could get to a stable point
[17:27] <snap-l> and now 12.10 will get the astronauts mucking with it again
[17:27] <brousch> there's more than 1?
[17:27] <rick_h_> yea, but I think you'll be safe if the goals from mark's post work out. Pretty up, font rendering, etc
[17:27] <greg-g> snap-l: right, LTS+1 is crazy release
[17:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: I don't buy it. There's gotta be at least one community piss-off
[17:28] <rick_h_> snap-l: hah, yea I guess something will come along
[17:29] <rick_h_> but I'm hoping things aren't going to get the normal 'let's repave the road' of normal LTS+1
[17:29] <snap-l> But even so, I don't feel the need to even think about it
[17:29] <snap-l> I'm not scrambling to figure out how to listen to it
[17:30] <snap-l> and I know I'll be deleting the UDS posts from Planet Ubuntu
[17:30] <snap-l> Hah, I already paused it post 12.04
[17:32] <greg-g> paused what?
[17:32] <snap-l> paused the Planet Ubunt feed under r2e
[17:32] <snap-l> so it won't e-mail me changes
[17:33] <greg-g> wow
[17:33] <rick_h_> greg-g: ?
[17:33] <greg-g> pausing the planet.ubuntu.com feed seems like a big step, to me :)
[17:34] <rick_h_> heh
[17:34] <snap-l> greg-g: WEll, there's only so much self-congratulatory I can take
[17:34] <snap-l> after a while, it's just noise
[17:51] <shakes808> snap-l: What is going on for Mug tomorrow?
[17:51] <rick_h_> http://www.mug.org/
[17:51] <rick_h_> :)
[17:53] <jrwren> pretty awesome: http://oss.oetiker.ch/remocular/
[17:54] <jrwren> font rendering.
[17:54] <jrwren> if they go true DPI, I'll be happy :)
[17:54] <jrwren> sadly, i've not even seen it proposed
[17:58] <shakes808> rick_h_: thank you
[17:58] <shakes808> I keep going to the Ubuntu.com LOCO
[18:18] <snap-l> rick_h_: breadability?
[18:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea
[18:18] <snap-l> That sounds like a bad marketing pitch
[18:19] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, well I suck at names and wanted to keep readability in the name
[18:19] <snap-l> WOnder Bread, now with more breadability.
[18:19] <rick_h_> need to show up in http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=readability&submit=search
[18:19] <snap-l> rick_h_: Expect the next fork to be creadability.
[18:20] <rick_h_> and I cna even do crap like say it's "Better Readabliity" later if I want :P
[18:20] <greg-g> myAwesomeReadabilityForkIsBetterThanYourReadabilityFork
[18:20] <rick_h_> which it's not atm, but working on it
[18:20] <greg-g> there, its even in there twice
[18:20] <rick_h_> in that case I'd just call it testedReadability
[18:20] <rick_h_> myreadabilityForkHasTestsAndRunsThroughCI
[18:21] <snap-l> четливост
[18:21] <greg-g> ????
[18:21] <rick_h_> heh
[18:21] <snap-l> Which is readability in Bulgarian
[18:21] <rick_h_> ah, good plan
[18:21] <greg-g> because Bulgarian is sooooo readable
[18:21] <snap-l> читабельность
[18:21] <snap-l> ^ Russian
[18:22] <rick_h_> not readable, readability, I keep hitting that difference
[18:22] <snap-l> leggibilità <- Italian
[18:22] <snap-l> loetavus
[18:22] <snap-l> ^ estonian
[18:22] <greg-g> need something translated, send it to snap-l
[18:22] <snap-l> send it to translate.google.com
[18:22] <greg-g> he'll be the best Google Translate bot ever
[18:23] <snap-l> How do you think I handle the cyrillic translations. ;)
[18:36] <greg-g> can someone using Unity on 12.04 confirm something for me?
[18:37] <greg-g> open nautilus, select a file (click on it, or arrow down to it), press the menu key (to bring up the menu for that item), press "r".  Do you then have to press enter or are you automatically brought to renaming the item?
[18:37] <greg-g> actually, do you have to press "r" twice?
[18:37] <greg-g> I do.
[18:37] <greg-g> so much for efficient keyboard shortcuts
[18:37]  * greg-g grumbles more
[18:37]  * greg-g goes to get lunch so he stomach stops grumbling
[18:48] <jrwren> breedability - because i am so beautiful i have high breedability
[18:49] <greg-g> I think I was just hit by some flying corn
[18:50] <rick_h_> watch out! it's dangerous
[19:12] <rick_h_> have I mentioned how much I hate bzr lately? *sigh*
[19:14] <rick_h_> ok, that's kind of cool https://plus.google.com/111121889834083374588/posts/HMCHb5bp8yn
[19:16] <Scott_firebeta> is that the raspberrypi?
[19:16] <rick_h_> heh no
[19:26] <jrwren> probably an ubuntu tv device
[19:35] <snap-l> Apparently the Google / Oracle trial concluded that doing a jury trial for technology cases is stupid.
[19:35] <greg-g> snap-l++
[19:35] <greg-g> jury for a copyright trail, also stupid
[19:35] <greg-g> they said: 1) They infringed but 2) we couldn't decide if it was fair use
[19:36] <greg-g> those are contradictory statement
[19:36] <greg-g> s
[19:48] <snap-l> Well, and infringed on what?
[19:49] <greg-g> yeah, apparently not the docs
[19:49]  * greg-g hasn't fully read everything, so can't really comment authoritatively
[19:49] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, I'm talking out of my posterior as well
[19:51] <snap-l> The entire jury did agree on the first, and most important, question -- that's 1A, for those of you following with the scorecard -- finding that Google did infringe the overall structure, sequence and organization of Oracle's Java language. However, the jurors were at an impasse on the second part of Question 1, which asked if Google proved that it had made "fair use" of that material or not.
[19:52] <snap-l> That's asinine
[19:52] <greg-g> poorly structured question that encourages a certain outcome
[19:52] <greg-g> and shows a lack of (C) understanding
[19:52] <snap-l> If this stands, it means making clones of languages / apis could be infringing
[19:52] <snap-l> greg-g: Exactly.
[19:53] <snap-l> Google also claims that pending further rulings by Judge Alsup, there is "zero finding of copyright liability" outside of nine lines of code. Google similarly claims that Oracle attributed "no value" to those nine lines in its damages report.
[19:53] <snap-l> Oh FFS.
[19:53] <snap-l> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57428612-94/oracle-v-google-jury-returns-partial-verdict-favoring-oracle/
[19:54] <snap-l> Wow, these questions are pretty leading
[19:55] <snap-l> 1. As to the compilable code for the 37 Java API packages in question taken as a group:
[19:55] <snap-l> A. Has Oracle proven that Google has infringed the overall structure, sequence and organization of copyrighted works?
[19:55] <snap-l> B. Has Google proven that its use of the overall structure, sequence and organization constituted "fair use"?
[19:55] <snap-l> (IF YOU ANSWER "NO" TO QUESTION 1A, THEN SKIP TO QUESTION NO. 2.)
[19:57] <greg-g> ugh..... if yes to A then skip B as well
[19:57] <greg-g> since TO INFRINGE MEANS IT WASN"T A FAIR USE
[19:58] <snap-l> greg-g: Precisely
[19:59] <snap-l> And 4A... sheesh
[21:26] <greg-g> my lord, Unity is a buggy interface
[21:26] <greg-g> drag something slightly down and it disappears to another workspace
[21:26] <greg-g> hit some key combo and all windows disappear (minimize)
[21:26] <greg-g> not know where your windows are since they aren't listed in alt-tab
[21:27] <greg-g> switching between workspaces forgets which window was on top
[23:24] <Blazeix> <3 gimp's new single window mode with a tiling wm
[23:25] <rick_h_> oh yea? I'll have to check that out
[23:25] <Blazeix> it isn't enabled by default in 2.8, but you can turn it on


[04:22] <slick666> Hello Marketing Channel
[04:22] <slick666> I'm working with the Loco Team for NY
[04:23] <slick666> I'm trying to get/make some Jaunty CDs for an upcoming release party
[04:23] <slick666> I would like to have Nice professional looking CDs to hand out
[04:23] <slick666> but I can't find official CD labels
[04:23] <slick666> is there a place where I can find that?
[04:24] <Flannel> slick666: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[04:24] <Flannel> slick666: Mind you, 9.04 isn't up there yet.
[04:24] <slick666> I know
[04:24] <slick666> We have a release party planned for the 25th
[04:25] <slick666> so to have CDs ready to go I would need to Label and burn a whole bunch of CDs in just a day or two