[00:08] <Pici> klined?
[00:08] <nalioth> Pici: what do you think?
[00:09] <Pici> nalioth: I think I should have known and just not asked.
[00:09] <nalioth> cheeky sod was making the rounds
[00:32] <Pici> !ping
[00:43] <Pici> @mark zoreau #ubuntu given the irc guidelines in private message, evaluate and unban if  appropriate.
[00:44] <Pici> Is it a full moon tonight?
[00:49]  * mneptok moons the channel
[01:28] <sajes> Religion talk is going on in -offtopic.
[01:29] <sajes> Also, apparently I'm abusing ubottu by !religion'ing when people get into religious debates.
[02:42]  * Flannel mentions we probably should remove the ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from here.
[02:48] <Pici> Flannel: Who is that for?
[02:49] <Pici> @btlogin
[02:49] <Flannel> Pici: Baron1984, banned in -offtopic and ubuntuforums (and here).  He's now AlmightyCthulhu, and his ban from here was more of a nuisance ban
[02:49] <tomaw> klined
[02:49] <Pici> tomaw: thanks
[02:49] <Flannel> Pici: I imagine the other bans could be cleared as well, but couldn't hurt to talk to him about them first
[02:50] <Flannel> Pici: Either way, removing him here will keep him from talking about th eban in #ubuntu (which was two days ago)
[06:00] <bazhang> the ops command is no longer working in #ubuntu
[06:01] <bazhang> just briefly stopping by, will be back later.
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> Now that is interesting...  Responds in PM fine.
[06:11] <stdin> that was because of the 'is'
[07:13] <ompaul> setting up for my saturday morning ban removal
[07:13] <ompaul> i.e. anyone from the previous week not this last week
[07:13] <ompaul> if it is not an ip it does not get removed
[07:15] <nickrud> ompaul I have no bans, nicks included, that can't be removed.
[07:15] <ompaul> nickrud, the hint is more the opposite
[07:15] <ompaul> if you want to keep some nick out you need to do more than<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:15] <nickrud> ompaul yeah, that's why I mentioned it
[07:15] <ompaul> ;-)
[07:16] <nickrud> anyway, i only have one active, I'll drop it now
[07:20] <nalioth> any supybot doctors around?
[07:20] <nalioth> doctors/wizards/shamen ?
[07:21] <Flannel> nalioth: I can't get mine to work with the ubotu database, does that count?
[07:22] <nalioth> Flannel: ubot3 won't respond in #ubuntuforums-beginners
[07:22] <Flannel> Do you run it?  Is it giving error messages in the console?
[07:22] <nalioth> console . . . hmmm
[07:22] <Flannel> Actually, nalioth, while you're here, mind giving my LoCo bot a hostmask?
[07:22]  * nickrud giggles
[07:23] <stdin> does it respond to bot commands directly? like ping/list?
[07:23] <nalioth> it works fine in other channels
[07:23] <nalioth> ubot3: ping
[07:23] <ubot3> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[07:23] <stdin> just not in that channel?
[07:24] <nalioth> that one and #ubuntu :|
[07:26] <stdin> it'd not lobotomised in any channels is it?
[07:27] <nalioth> i don't understand.
[07:27] <nalioth> the only channel it's got special instructions for is this one
[07:28] <stdin> there's a "lobotomy" feature that stops it responding to non-admins on a per-channel basis, but if you don't know about it then I doubt you've set it
[07:28] <stdin> check the bots log in (bot dir)/log/messages.log
[07:29] <nalioth> don't they go to the console, too?
[07:29] <stdin> depends if it's daemonized or not
[07:32] <nalioth> it's not.
[07:32] <stdin> ubot3: ping
[07:32] <ubot3> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[07:33] <stdin> ^ping
[07:33] <ubot3> pong
[07:33] <stdin> it responds to ping at least
[07:34] <nalioth> it responds (in here) to anything you ask it by name
[07:34] <nalioth> ubot3: info kdm
[07:34] <ubot3> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 692 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[07:36] <stdin> that is odd
[07:36] <nalioth> quite.
[07:41] <nalioth> stdin: so how crazy is that?
[07:41] <stdin> insanely
[07:42] <stdin> I can't even think of a possible reason for it doing that
[07:42]  * nalioth mutters crazy talk and goes back to bed . . .  (it's 0141 where he's sitting)
[07:44] <nalioth> grazi, stdin
[07:44] <stdin> at least it works, we should hold on to that and forget the insanity that is supybot
[07:45] <Flannel> !nickspam > stony
[07:59] <elkbuntu> it's 5pm here and im still in my pjs
[08:00]  * Flannel grumbles about the resurrection of automatix.
[08:00] <elkbuntu> ugh
[08:12] <jussi01> Flannel: huh??
[08:12] <Flannel> jussi01: The unholy union of Ultimate Edition and Automatic: http://ultamatix.com/
[08:13] <jussi01> oh no....
[08:15] <jussi01> ugh....
[08:15] <jussi01> why? why? why?
[08:15] <Flannel> jussi01: What do you set to keep from doubling up on error messages in queries? ("is not a valid command" plus factoid)
[08:15] <Flannel> jussi01: because some people just enjoy breaking stuff
[08:15] <jussi01> Flannel: wht?
[08:16] <Flannel> jussi01: supybot?
[08:20] <wgrant> Flannel: /me dies violently.
[08:31] <stdin> Flannel: use supybot.reply.whenNotCommand
[08:31] <stdin> ie: set to False
[08:42] <Flannel> stdin: Thanks
[09:12] <Hobbsee> Flannel: all i can say is "i hope his code is better than his english"
[09:12] <Hobbsee> and "oh no"
[09:13] <Flannel> Hobbsee: Its either his second language, or he's trying *really* hard to sound sophisticated
[09:14] <Hobbsee> or both.
[09:14] <Flannel> ubottu is slooooowwwwwwww
[09:19] <Myrtti> hmmm
[09:19] <Myrtti> I wonder if there is a way to monitor the usage of it
[09:20] <Myrtti> perhaps someone is at the moment trying to very hard to bring ubottu down
[09:24] <Myrtti> oy goddamnit hell my back hurts
[09:27]  * elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti better
[09:27] <Myrtti> atleast the coffee from the pink moka pot is excellent
[09:29] <Myrtti> http://www.typhoonplus.com/MainPageArt/TeaCoffee3.jpg
[09:31]  * Myrtti goes to get another cup
[09:33] <Flannel> got it
[09:41] <elkbuntu> hrm, so my talk got accepted to OSDC, now i gotta write it
[09:42] <Hobbsee> \o/
[09:43] <elkbuntu> :D
[09:45] <Myrtti> should I go and make another pot of espresso?
[09:45] <Myrtti> :-D
[09:46] <Myrtti> according to the coffee pot makers I've just drank 6 cups of the stuff...
[09:46] <Myrtti> nomnom
[09:52] <elkbuntu> haha
[10:02] <Myrtti> Mez is a meanie
[10:02] <Myrtti> I'm not talking to him. *snif*
[10:04] <Mez> oeace and quiet! :P
[10:04] <Mez> s/o/p/
[10:08] <Myrtti> what a wonderful day this will be. I've got my apartment full of flies, my back aches like hell, this place is a mess, it's hot like in hell and my mom waked me up
[10:09] <Mez> s/waked/woke/
[10:09] <Myrtti> what else.
[10:09]  * Myrtti hears flies buzzing around
[10:12]  * elkbuntu gives Myrtti another hug
[10:16] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2702710531/ ♥
[10:37]  * elkbuntu hawks james_bomb with a /cs k
[10:37] <Myrtti> hawk all you want
[10:37]  * Flannel +1
[10:39] <Myrtti> oh for Gaia's sake
[10:39] <Myrtti> I can see trouble stirring in #ubuntu-women
[10:42] <Myrtti> !prayer
[10:43] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, have you seen abstruse goose yet?
[10:43] <Myrtti> yup
[10:50] <Gary> elkbuntu: I was going to do that, but then he calmed a bit
[10:57] <PFA> hi, why am i banned from ubuntu-offtopic?
[10:58] <Myrtti> because of mibbit
[10:59] <Myrtti> you're not really
[10:59] <PFA> what
[10:59]  * PFA facepalms
[10:59] <PFA> how can i get on then? i'm at a friend's house. she doesn't have IRC.
[10:59] <Myrtti> didn't you have unaffiliated cloak?
[10:59] <Myrtti> identify with it and try again
[11:00] <Gary> Myrtti: unaffiliated cloaks do not pass though gateway cloaks
[11:00] <PFA> i did identify. it changed my cloak from unaffiliated to the mibbit one :/
[11:00] <Myrtti> Gary: oh.
[11:00] <Gary> also, remind me to never do a /ban in an ubuntu channel again :'(
[11:00] <Gary> it scrolled up for ages!
[11:01] <PFA> can someone create an exception for me or something? :<
[11:01] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: is porncake a bot? and no /whois doesnt say it is
[11:02] <Gary> PFA: only by removing the mibbit ban, unless you got a project cloak quick
[11:02] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no idea?
[11:02] <PFA> Gary: are there any projects that give out cloaks?
[11:02] <PFA> with no effort?
[11:02]  * Hobbsee is suprised the floodbots don't do -offtopic?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> unaffiliated is about it for freenode
[11:02]  * PFA cries
[11:02] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: of course they dont
[11:02] <PFA> i just wanna talk in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:03] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: they do only one channel per time
[11:03] <Hobbsee> they do in #ubuntu, i thought
[11:03] <gnomefreak> PFA: are you banned from there?
[11:03]  * gnomefreak cant remember command
[11:04] <PFA> gnomefreak: no.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's +e
[11:04] <gnomefreak> PFA: than why cant you talk in there?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: no for bot
[11:04] <PFA> gnomefreak: cause im using mibbit
[11:04] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:04] <PFA> which is banned
[11:04] <gnomefreak> PFA: than you are banned
[11:04] <gnomefreak> PFA: not you but generally you are
[11:04] <PFA> well yeah
[11:05] <PFA> but it's like a host banned, not ME SPECIFICALLY banned
[11:05] <PFA> i wanna talk there :<
[11:05]  * gnomefreak wonders why it was set
[11:05] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: abuse.
[11:05]  * Myrtti tries
[11:05] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: just grant her an exception, surely?
[11:05] <gnomefreak> from the whole host?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: Myrtti is trying i think
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: that should do it
[11:06] <Myrtti> PFA: try now?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> if not, use a standard<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:06] <PFA> omg
[11:06] <Myrtti> HTH, HAND
[11:06] <PFA> thank you so much
[11:06] <gnomefreak> as long as PFA doesnt change hostmasks she should be fine ;)
[11:07]  * PFA hugs Myrtti
[11:07] <gnomefreak> x-d42d974dc048d792 needs to stay the same
[11:07] <Myrtti> PFA: holler me when you're done at -ot
[11:07] <Myrtti> I'll remove the exception and reinstate it again when you need it
[11:07] <gnomefreak> oh +e doesnt stay?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:07] <Myrtti> it does
[11:07] <Myrtti> but I'd rather not keep exceptions for long time
[11:08] <Myrtti> so it doesn't become a "habit"
[11:08] <PFA> Myrtti: okay, i'll try to remember
[11:08] <PFA> i'm a bit tipsy :X but yeah. thank you very much <3
[11:08] <Myrtti> np :-P
[11:09]  * Myrtti considers making another pot of espresso
[11:09]  * gnomefreak could use some right about now
[11:09] <Gary> Myrtti: meh, we just ran out of coffee here :'(
[11:09] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, a third pot?
[11:09] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: nope, second
[11:09] <elkbuntu> i thought you already made the second
[11:09] <Myrtti> I got sidetracked
[11:10] <elkbuntu> ah
[11:10] <Myrtti> photographed the pot, fed pigses
[11:10] <Myrtti> etc
[11:10] <gnomefreak> i have plenty of coffee but i cant drink any now
[11:10] <Gary> pigses?
[11:11] <Flannel> Gary: guinea pigs
[11:11] <Gary> awwwww
[11:11] <Gary> pics
[11:11] <gnomefreak> plural for pigs in Myrtti-speak
[11:11] <Flannel> Gary: mind setting up my bot with a hostmask?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> gary is staff too?
[11:12] <Gary> Flannel: can you get it to ask me in pm?
[11:12] <Gary> gnomefreak: ya
[11:12] <Flannel> I'm... not sure.  I haven't had much luck with ircquote.  I can always log on in another irssi window though.
[11:13] <gnomefreak> i go away for a couple of months and paul is no longer staff and thier were a bunch of people added to staff
[11:13] <Gary> gnomefreak: all change eh
[11:13] <Gary> Flannel: whats the bots name?
[11:13] <Flannel> LikeTotally
[11:13]  * Flannel waits for ensuing ridicule.
[11:15] <Gary> Flannel: cloaked, I confirmed that it was on the same connection as you, i'd rather have the bot ask normally though
[11:16] <Flannel> Gary: I'd love to have it ask you, to be honest.
[11:17] <Gary> but your bot skills suck? :p
[11:17] <Flannel> I just can't find *any* documentation on ircquote except that it exists.
[11:17] <Flannel> so, sure :)
[11:17] <Gary> hehe
[11:17] <Gary> no problem, it's done
[11:17] <Flannel> Aye.  Thanks.
[11:20] <smallfoot-> I am banned from #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, and #ubuntu-offtopic, can someone please unban me?
[11:21] <Flannel> smallfoot-: I believe someone recommended you come back in a week or so.
[11:22] <smallfoot-> Well, they recommend me to come back every single day...
[11:22] <elkbuntu> i doubt that
[11:22] <smallfoot-> "Come back later"; "Come back tomorrow", "Come back in a few hours", "Come back next week"
[11:23] <Flannel> smallfoot-: No, I believe it was "come back in at least a week" with the assumption of that would be significant time for you to read up on Ubuntu channel guidelines, the code of conduct, and freenode policies so we wouldn't have any more trouble.
[11:23] <smallfoot-> i read those things 1000 times
[11:24] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, you still need to wait out the week
[11:24] <Flannel> smallfoot-: When did you read them 1000 times?
[11:24] <Myrtti> "Thou shall not create channels of your own that belong to a certain project under the namespace rule"
[11:24] <smallfoot-> idk, always
[11:24] <smallfoot-> well, i just didnt think of that
[11:25] <smallfoot-> its easy to forget it
[11:25] <elkbuntu> then you havent read the rules enough
[11:25] <Flannel> smallfoot-: Its not just about "reading" its about learning and absorbing.
[11:25] <smallfoot-> yeah, thats the difficult part
[11:25] <Flannel> smallfoot-: reading the words means nothing unless you're actually paying attention to what you've read
[11:25] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: i said a week.
[11:26] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: not a day.
[11:26] <smallfoot-> ok
[11:26] <Hobbsee> did you fail to understand the first time?
[11:26] <smallfoot-> yes
[11:26] <Flannel> smallfoot-: I suggest you take the suggestion of taking a week off to learn the rules and guidelines that we all follow.  And then after that time, theoretically we won't have any more problems.
[11:26] <Hobbsee> then learn this time, as if you come back again, before next saturday, it'll be a two-week ban from whenever you come back.
[11:26] <smallfoot-> well, i want to get unbanned from ubuntu+1 channel now, because i have 8.10 and i wont tell them what is broken so they can nkow and fix it
[11:26] <Hobbsee> understood?
[11:27] <smallfoot-> hmm, thats no good
[11:27] <elkbuntu> demanding does not work at all.
[11:27] <smallfoot-> well, its unfair i have to wait until next saturday, because i already waited some time now
[11:27] <Hobbsee> perhaps you should have thought of that before you disobeyed the rules, then.
[11:27] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: fyi, you're probably also looking at a permanent ban, if you don't reform.
[11:27] <elkbuntu> !forum
[11:28] <elkbuntu> if you desperately need help. i'd advise not breaking the rules there either.
[11:28] <smallfoot-> if you ban me permanently, i can never help the people in #ubuntu, and i cant report bug in #ubuntu+1, so it will be bad and not good release
[11:29] <elkbuntu> you dont report bugs in +1
[11:29] <elkbuntu> launchpad is where you report bugs
[11:29] <smallfoot-> then what ppl do in +1?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> if you can't follow the rules repeatedly, you're not welcome there, no matter what else you do.
[11:29] <elkbuntu> troubleshoot
[11:29] <Nafallo> help out with the current development release.
[11:30]  * Hobbsee leaves smallfoot- to his time wasting
[11:30]  * Hobbsee --> dinner
[11:30] <smallfoot-> Nafallo, how? by talking?
[11:31] <Nafallo> smallfoot-: ehrm. this is IRC dude... how about writing text to each other? :-)
[11:31] <smallfoot-> idk
[11:31] <smallfoot-> that helps out the develkopment release?
[11:33] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, you are wasting time by persisting with dialog in this channel, when you have been told to go away and come back in an entire week's time.
[11:33]  * Myrtti gives Nafallo a lollipop
[11:34] <Nafallo> oooh
[11:34] <smallfoot-> one week is long time
[11:34] <smallfoot-> i get angry
[11:34] <Myrtti> oh noes
[11:34] <Myrtti> how can we live with THAT
[11:34] <smallfoot-> this is unfair, if i was the boss guy, then nobody could banned me, and i could ban them
[11:35] <Myrtti> ...
[11:35] <smallfoot-> who made the people in #ubuntu-ops become boss guy of all rooms?
[11:35] <elkbuntu> we earned our roles. you havent.
[11:35] <smallfoot-> oh
[11:35] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: this isn't supermario bros where you can win the game by beating out the boss enemy
[11:35] <smallfoot-> well, im sick of getting banned, and picked on, i want to be a boss guy too, so nobody can ban me from the rooms
[11:36] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, /join ##smallfoot
[11:36] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: well, you're moving further and further away from that goal
[11:36] <Gary> the ops in this channel are not on a power trip, they are here to assist effective communications in the channels they operate
[11:36] <smallfoot-> elkbuntu, yeah i created my own room so i could be the boss guy, but then they stole my channel from me, and banned me
[11:36] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, what channel did you make?
[11:36] <smallfoot-> elkbuntu, #ubuntu-social
[11:37] <elkbuntu> you stole our name for your channel? how rude!
[11:37] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: you aren't allowed to make a channel with #ubuntu in the name
[11:37] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: that will be taken down most likely
[11:37] <smallfoot-> elkbuntu, no i didnt, because nobody owns ubuntu, it belongs to all, because its communism
[11:37] <Myrtti> says who
[11:37] <Myrtti> says you.
[11:37] <smallfoot-> idk
[11:37] <elkbuntu> ubuntu is a trademarked name
[11:37] <smallfoot-> well, why they steal it from africa and trademark it?
[11:38] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: yes conaical owns it we had a meeting about it maybe a year ago
[11:38] <gnomefreak> canonical even
[11:38] <smallfoot-> think if i trademark "hi" then you can never say it?
[11:38] <elkbuntu> it's common language. ubuntu isnt even in the language it's from.
[11:39] <smallfoot-> canonical should invent an own word like bododbulu instead of stealing an african word, did they ask the africa ppl if they could take ubuntu from them?
[11:39] <Nafallo> smallfoot-: you might want to read up on what trademarks are to begin with. you're on deep water when you discuss things you don't know about as if you had authority.
[11:39] <smallfoot-> oh
[11:39] <elkbuntu> trademark law is tricky, but you have to face that canonical has trademarked ubuntu.
[11:40] <elkbuntu> plus, calling ubuntu communism is a serious faux pas.
[11:40] <smallfoot-> oh
[11:40] <smallfoot-> my friend said it was commisum, because its free and you share it
[11:40] <Myrtti> ohhohhoh.
[11:40] <elkbuntu> your friend hasnt a clue about communism
[11:40] <smallfoot-> and thats why russia and china likes it, but usa only lieks microsoft
[11:40] <elkbuntu> because communists share things, doesnt mean everyone who shares this is a communist
[11:41] <gnomefreak> russia is heading that way again but is not communist fully
[11:41] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: this is going nowhere
[11:41] <Flannel> school children are all taught to be communists then, apparently.
[11:41] <elkbuntu> this is political and so not appropriate for here
[11:41] <smallfoot-> ok
[11:41] <Myrtti> I've got a weird feeling
[11:41] <Gary> now you are just wasting time, I'd advise to read up on trademark law, ubuntu with regards to computing, software and operating systems belongs to canonical, same as apple in the same context belongs to apple inc
[11:41] <elkbuntu> Flannel, oh noetry.
[11:42] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: just out of curiosity... and don't answer if you don't feel its comfortable...
[11:42] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: how old are you?
[11:42] <smallfoot-> 12
[11:42] <gnomefreak> Gary: freenode shouldnt allow registration of #ubuntu channels for anything other than official reasons
[11:42] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Is that "oh no"-etry? or something else that is completely over my head?
[11:42] <elkbuntu> Flannel, toothpastefordinner
[11:42] <gnomefreak> non registered channel should still be shut down by hand
[11:43] <gnomefreak> the above is IMO
[11:43] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: come back in a week
[11:43] <Gary> gnomefreak: it'd be hard to stop the channels being registered, but once reported we can ensure they are passed to the proper group contact
[11:43] <smallfoot-> well, then they should have said "I am sorry to inform you sir, but you have a channel which violates the naming policy, would you like me to rename it for you?" instead of "haha, pwnt!! BANNED!! NOW ITS MY CHANNEL!"
[11:43] <gnomefreak> Gary: ah
[11:43] <smallfoot-> because they banned me, and it was men
[11:43] <smallfoot-> mean
[11:44] <Gary> smallfoot-: you cannot "rename" a channel, you can only drop it or forward it to another
[11:44] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: you are just giving them ideas
[11:44]  * Hobbsee can't believe this is *still* going
[11:44] <Gary> Hobbsee: me too
[11:44] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: just walk away
[11:44] <smallfoot-> Gary, they should have forward it to ##ubuntu-social, instead of steal it and redirect it to their own
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: i'm about to - i only came back for something else
[11:44] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: but we already have #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:44] <gnomefreak> now im not sure about rules on ## channels
[11:44] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, it's still rude.
[11:44] <smallfoot-> Myrtti, yeah, but i was banned from it, so i wanted my own room where i was the boss
[11:45] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, why not ##smallfoot then?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: rude or against policy?
[11:45] <smallfoot-> elkbuntu, because i want chat about ubuntu, not about me
[11:45] <Dave2> gnomefreak, what sort of rules?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> ##smallfoot-social
[11:45] <Gary> smallfoot-: that depends on what the group contact requests, since the #ubuntu* is under the control of the group contact, they can forward it to where they see fit
[11:45] <gnomefreak> Dave2: ubuntu owns ubuntu name space
[11:45] <gnomefreak> canonical owns it
[11:45] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, against our policy at least
[11:45] <Myrtti> so...
[11:46] <gnomefreak> against tradmake policy
[11:46] <Dave2> gnomefreak, ## channels are unofficial; policy states that people affiliated with the project cannot register a ## channel about it.
[11:46] <gnomefreak> whatever they put in it
[11:46] <elkbuntu> Dave2, trademark law gives the power of a cease and desist.
[11:46] <Myrtti> krhm
[11:46]  * Flannel has succesfully consumed a corndog.  You all needed to know.
[11:46] <smallfoot-> everybody is against me, they ban me from all rooms, when i create my own room so that im the boss guy, then people steal it from me and ban me, everyone is against me
[11:46] <gnomefreak> another one to learn :(
[11:46] <Dave2> I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not commenting on legal implications for this reason.
[11:46] <Myrtti> I believe this discussion has gone a bit far from the original point
[11:47] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: your way of putting things isn't raising empathy
[11:47] <gnomefreak> why cant people stay with the "things" that are already made
[11:47] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: word *steal* and *against* are a bit strong
[11:47] <smallfoot-> well if they werent against me, they wouldnt ban me. if they didnt steal my channel, i would still have it, but i dont
[11:47] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: the people who you alledge *stole* from you and are *against* you are present on this channel, if I'm not wrong
[11:48] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: no, you wouldn't have that channel
[11:48] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: no matter what
[11:48] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: the name of it is against the naming policy, period
[11:48] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: no buts
[11:48] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: yuou have wrong idea. WE dont steal channels freenode drops the channel do to trademark laws
[11:49] <elkbuntu> Flannel, http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/022005/bad-poetry.gif
[11:49] <gnomefreak> WE ban you for not following the rules and guidelines in #ubuntu channels. you had broke them that is why you were banned. If you ask oftem to remove it the banner will only make it longer
[11:49] <Flannel> elkbuntu: thanks, Ive been looking.  google wasn't helping.
[11:50] <elkbuntu> Flannel, toothpastefordinner isnt very google-friendly
[11:50] <gnomefreak> yummy, toothpaste for dinner :(
[11:50] <gnomefreak> i want mouthwash for dinner
[11:50] <smallfoot-> thats like when my dad beats me, and he says if i cry, he will beat me more
[11:50] <Myrtti> oh yay
[11:50] <Myrtti> now were going into this direction
[11:51] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, that's an issue for you and a trusted adult to deal with. completely unrelated to this.
[11:51] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: so far you've not shown any signs of understanding the rules
[11:51] <Flannel> smallfoot-: If you followed the rules to begin with, you'd never be banned in the first place.  Come back in a week.
[11:51] <smallfoot-> Myrtti, maybe im not so good at understanding things, its not my fault
[11:51] <elkbuntu> however, i suspect it's probably wise that you be accompanied by an adult at all times on the internet, so they can guide you to proper behaviour.
[11:51] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: ...
[11:52] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, where in the world are you anyway?
[11:52] <Myrtti> Sweden
[11:52] <smallfoot-> hey, how can you know this? i have secret cloak
[11:52] <gnomefreak> im not so sure the above statment follows outside USA
[11:53] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, i didnt say it was law.
[11:53] <Nafallo> smallfoot-: how many 12 years old speaks Swedish? :-)
[11:53] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: cloaks do not make you invisable
[11:53] <smallfoot-> i dont know
[11:53] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: neither did i
[11:53] <smallfoot-> oh
[11:53] <smallfoot-> the one harry potter have does
[11:53] <gnomefreak> statement
[11:53] <gnomefreak> they say it everywhere on tv in the US
[11:54] <smallfoot-> gnomefreak, ps. you can change number of virtual desktop if you use metacity, but not if you have compiz on
[11:54] <Myrtti> to be honest
[11:54] <gnomefreak> thought it was other way around since i couldnt find it
[11:54] <Myrtti> I find it hard to believe you are 12
[11:55] <Myrtti> ESPRESSO!!!!11
[11:55]  * gnomefreak thought a bit older like 16-18ish
[11:55] <gnomefreak> but im not good at guessing ages
[11:56] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, you've been told to come back in a week. i'd advise you take the guidelines away and have an adult explain them to you if you're having difficulty understanding them. in a week's time you can come back and show how much you've learned.
[11:56] <smallfoot-> ok
[11:56] <smallfoot-> i dont like rules and police, i want do what i want do
[11:56] <smallfoot-> i want to be the boss of myself
[11:57] <elkbuntu> that's not how the world works
[11:57] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: too bad
[11:57] <smallfoot-> oh
[11:57] <elkbuntu> i'm nearly 27, and i still have to follow rules all the time
[11:57] <elkbuntu> if i didnt, i'd speed and kill people on the roads, etc. rules are always for a reason.
[11:57]  * Myrtti hears her age crisis choochooing it's way in again
[12:01] <Tm_T> Myrtti: just wait to reach my age...
[12:01] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, to come back, you must first go away.
[12:01] <Myrtti> Tm_T: shuddup
[12:03] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, yeah, those granny carts are lethal
[12:04] <PFA> Myrtti: you should probably re-ban the mibbit cloak from before
[12:04] <PFA> i'm on a diff one now but whatever...
[12:04] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: very
[12:05]  * Tm_T hugs young Myrtti padawan
[12:05] <Flannel> mmm, thats greek isnt it.
[12:05] <Myrtti> PFA: you should be able to join -ot again
[12:06]  * PFA hugs Myrtti
[12:06] <PFA> thanks
[12:08] <Myrtti> smallfoot-: so, is there anything else?
[12:11] <elkbuntu> smallfoot-, this isnt a channel to idle in
[12:13] <PFA> Myrtti: thanks <3 i gotta go now... should probably reset the bans. sorry for the trouble.\
[12:13] <Myrtti> PFA: no probs
[12:13] <PFA> <3bye
[12:13] <Myrtti> ♥
[12:14] <Tm_T> he has so much to learn about life yet... :(
[12:14] <Myrtti> I don't believe he was 12
[12:14] <Myrtti> 14 or 15 perhaps
[12:15] <Myrtti> but not 12
[12:15] <Flannel> Why not 12?
[12:15] <Tm_T> I don't really care about his age, my statement still applies ;)
[12:15] <Myrtti> Tm_T: true
[12:16] <Myrtti> Flannel: for what I see at -se and how he grasped foreign concepts so fast...
[12:16] <Flannel> Myrtti: Ah.  You've got more data!  cheater :)
[12:16] <Myrtti> :-P
[12:22] <elkbuntu> yeah i'd go for 14. he hasnt yet accomplished the concept of why rules are necessary, and why breaking them is bad.
[12:22] <elkbuntu> but his language skills are exceeding that of a pre-teen
[12:23] <Nafallo> I'd not agree with the language skills, coming from Sweden and all ;-)
[12:24] <Nafallo> he've had three years of English in school and mass exposure to it in regular life.
[12:24] <Myrtti> language skills I've don't agree with
[12:24] <Myrtti> but foreign concepts
[12:24] <Myrtti> like "naming policy"
[12:25] <Nafallo> can we be sure he understood though?
[12:25] <Myrtti> true
[12:25] <Myrtti> maybe it is 12 then
[12:25] <Nafallo> he seems to be the kind that says they've understood when they inface haven't.
[12:25] <Nafallo> s/ace/act/
[12:27] <elkbuntu> Nafallo, we can be sure he didnt.
[12:28] <elkbuntu> we can be sure he's a compulsive liar, who'll try anything to get his own way
[12:28] <Myrtti> "Miia, it's a bad idea to consider making a third pot of espresso no matter how good it tastes"
[12:28] <elkbuntu> haha
[12:28] <Nafallo> elkbuntu: that's not my impression though.
[12:28] <Tm_T> Myrtti: no, if you make it for me ;)
[12:28] <Nafallo> Myrtti: no, it isn't :-)
[12:29] <Myrtti> I ran out of milk though...
[12:29] <Nafallo> Myrtti: ...but I should have let you taste some of my regular energydrinks ;-)
[12:29] <elkbuntu> Nafallo, this will be 18 'cups' at the end of the third pot
[12:29] <Myrtti> BUT I do have cream
[12:29] <Myrtti> yeah, it's 6 espresso cups per pot
[12:29] <Nafallo> Myrtti: ooh. cloudberry spirit? ;-)
[12:29] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2702779009/
[12:29] <elkbuntu> eww, cream
[12:30] <Nafallo> Myrtti: I need to hold off that one until I feel less icky though :-/
[12:44] <gnomefreak> in irssi is there a way to set a backup nick?
[12:45] <Dave2> /set alternate_nick
[12:45] <Myrtti> ♥
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Dave2: that only sets it for this session?
[12:47] <jpds> gnomefreak: /save
[12:47] <Dave2> /save?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> so /set.... <enter> than /save<enter>?
[12:49] <jpds> Yes.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> thanks
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i couldnt find it in docs anywhere for irssi
[12:52] <jpds> curl http://irssi.org/documentation/startup | grep --colour=always nick
[12:53] <Myrtti> hiya unca ompaul
[12:55] <ompaul> harrow boat club
[12:55]  * ompaul blinks
[12:55] <ompaul> morning
[12:55] <ompaul> again
[12:55] <ompaul> actually afternoon
[13:29] <thunderstruck> yay it works ;)
[13:31]  * jpds strikes Donner.
[13:40] <elkbuntu> hmm, dmseg is active in defocus, he'll probably show up here sometime
[13:40] <elkbuntu> he's being honest there though, calling himself a noob that doesnt know stuff, as opposed to the god of all creation he tries to proclaim himself here
[13:45] <ikonia> he's logged off
[13:46] <gnomefreak> whats up with bot?
[13:46] <elkbuntu> he's always on and off
[13:46] <ikonia> in what way
[13:46] <gnomefreak> ubottu: test
[13:46] <Myrtti> !ping
[13:46] <elkbuntu> laggy
[13:47] <Myrtti> I suspect someone is fooling around with it
[13:47] <ikonia> Hm, that is a tad slow
[13:47] <ikonia> probably the connection its on
[13:47] <elkbuntu> you should be able to set it to report anything said in PM to a terminal or something
[13:50] <PriceChild> it appears in the terminal it is running in afaik
[13:50] <jpds> I find it logs it all.
[13:50] <jpds> think*
[14:00] <elkbuntu> then someone should be able to check
[14:02] <ompaul> !ping
[14:18] <Tm_T> hi ompaul son
[14:19] <ompaul> Tm_T, I saw your photo
[14:20] <ompaul> Tm_T, I calls your blog^wbluff :)
[14:20] <ompaul> help wanted I am about to ask a question in -offtopic
[14:20] <Tm_T> you did? how long it took you to survive from the shock?
[14:22] <ompaul> I am still alive
[14:24] <Tm_T> ompaul: btw what photo exactly? this one? http://koti.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temps-01.jpg
[14:25] <ompaul> Tm_T, one random one that a person had
[14:25] <ompaul> last weekend :)
[14:25] <Tm_T> if it was from Myrtti, it wasn't random, I guess ;(
[14:25]  * Myrtti hides
[14:25] <Myrtti> twasn't me
[14:25] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:25] <Tm_T> <3
[14:26] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I hope you did warn them beforehand
[14:30] <Myrtti> I did
[14:31] <Tm_T> good ];=
[14:33] <Tm_T> ompaul: the nightmares will eventually stop, I hope
[14:33] <ompaul> haha
[14:33] <ompaul> Tm_T, search flikr for ompaul
[14:33] <Tm_T> ompaul: oh, I know, you handsome son
[14:33] <ompaul> haha
[14:34] <Myrtti> he is
[14:34] <ompaul>  /cs lart Tm_T
[14:34] <ompaul> heheh
[14:34] <ompaul> that btw is the big one
[14:34] <jpds> thunderstruck: Having trouble?
[14:35] <Myrtti> yeah, LRL was success. Lots of cute Linux geeks to drool over
[14:35] <Mez> including me :)
[14:36] <Myrtti> you said it, not me ;-)
[14:36] <Mez> :O :(
[14:36] <Myrtti> yes, including you
[14:36] <Mez> >_< :)
[14:37] <Myrtti> ompaul has that grayish charm
[14:37]  * Mez just remembers you coming out of the novotel "YAY I HUGGED JONO!"
[14:38]  * Myrtti blushes
[14:38] <Myrtti> well he is cute
[14:39] <Myrtti> and GNOMEish.
[14:39] <Dave2> o_O
[14:39] <Myrtti> I forgive his KDEism as folly of youth
[14:39] <Mez> hey, he started in KDE...
[14:39]  * ompaul runs away
[14:40]  * Dave2 imagines a jono garden gnome...
[14:40] <Mez> fine, yes, I know - I'm not good enough...
[14:40] <Mez> damn that KDE
[14:40] <ompaul> Dave2, that is so easy
[14:40] <ompaul> Dave2, with you as the troll under the bridge
[14:40] <ompaul> :)
[14:40]  * ompaul runs
[14:40] <ompaul> back in a bit
[14:41]  * Dave2 heads off to shops
[14:41]  * Mez is obviously procrastinating and cant be bothered to pack :(
[14:41] <Myrtti> I should head off to buy hay
[14:42] <Myrtti> shops are almost closing
[14:42] <Myrtti> well, in > hour
[14:42]  * Dave2 will miss his fan when outside.  I feel unloved.
[15:23] <bazhang> jpds, hehe seems endemic though
[15:29] <jpds> What's with all the spambot talk in #ubuntu and #freenode?
[15:29] <bazhang> not sure; seems rather severe though
[15:33] <Myrtti>  it's always<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with several
[15:33] <Myrtti>                   nicknames. being long discussed in #freenode
[15:33] <nalioth> hay?
[15:33] <Myrtti> ooooh, guineapigs going bonkers
[15:33] <Myrtti> nalioth: hay
[15:33] <Myrtti> nalioth: guinea pigs' diet includes dry hay
[15:34] <Myrtti> [smellynoser] AllMenWearBras just spammed me
[15:34] <jpds> nalioth: Test nick did it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30571/
[15:34] <nalioth> Myrtti: i was not aware of that.
[15:35] <nalioth> filthy spammers
[15:37] <jpds> Hopefully that's that done.
[15:37] <Mez> who's is floodbot1 ?
[15:38] <nalioth> Mez: it's currently on LJL's box
[15:38] <Mez> :(
[15:38] <Mez> Its lagging out
[15:38] <nalioth> that is why we have 3
[15:38] <jpds> I have a box should a host be needed.
[15:39] <Mez> It's not that, they're in emergency for no reason
[15:42] <nalioth> this is how they're programmed, Mez
[15:43] <nalioth> how do you know the bot isn't on an irc server that is lagging out?
 WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[15:43] <PriceChild> isn't that the reason?
[15:43] <Mez> nalioth, Please, don't tell me how they're programmed. I know what's going on. I wrote part of the code, and I also re-wrote it into an OO manner.
[15:43] <Myrtti> but it does reply...
[15:44] <PriceChild> Myrtti: sure, but at that point, floodbot1 decided it wasn't.
[15:44] <Mez> Myrtti, Floodbot1 WAS laggging out, I did a ping test, it isnt any longer, but it mistakenly called the chanserv call.
[15:44] <Myrtti> PriceChild: then why aren't they recovering to normal status?
[15:44] <Mez> I forced it back so as not to have to wait X minutes
[15:44] <Myrtti> yup
[15:44] <Mez> they are normal status
[15:44] <PriceChild> Myrtti: just takes a few minutes
[15:45] <Myrtti> Mez: ok, past tense, why weren't they...
[15:45] <Myrtti> meh
[15:45] <PriceChild> because it takes a few minutes until they are sure
[15:45] <Mez> PriceChild, which is why I tested and forced back.
[15:45]  * Myrtti goes to make third pot of espresso
[15:45] <PriceChild> Mez: yes...?
[15:46] <Mez> PriceChild, I forced it back to save us those few minutes (up to 6 IIRC)
[15:46] <PriceChild> Mez: *I know*
[15:47]  * Myrtti offers chocolate cookies to everyone
[15:47] <PriceChild> I haven't questioned that, was just trying to explain to Myrtti.
[15:47]  * Myrtti hides
[15:47] <Mez> PriceChild, I was just clarifying for other people so they don't bitch at me for messing with things I don't know about.
[15:47] <Myrtti> :-<
[15:47] <Myrtti> pweeep
[15:47] <PriceChild> and earlier, point out that there was a reason for them setting themselves as emergency mode, despite that reason nolonger existing
[15:47] <Mez> (as has happened plenty of times before)
[15:47] <PriceChild> Mez: Nobody is bitching at you.
[15:48] <Mez> PriceChild, never mind - I'll explain in /query
[15:48] <PriceChild> Unless they are bitching at you in PM right now?
[15:55] <Myrtti> meh, I need more coffee I think
[15:55] <Myrtti> and a backrub
[15:57]  * Mez gives Myrtti a back rub
[15:57] <PriceChild> Myrtti: and Mez, sitting in a tree
[15:57] <Mez> PriceChild, just returning the favour from LRL
[15:58] <Mez> PriceChild, R U B B I N G?
[15:58]  * Mez chuckles
[15:59]  * Myrtti signs in for piriformis muscle replacement
[15:59]  * Mez realises hor wrong that sounds
[15:59] <Myrtti> hm, it's almost to day year ago when my back broke
[16:00] <Myrtti> or had acute phase
[16:00] <Myrtti> atleast I can walk normally now and it doesn't show up any other times than when I have to tie my shoelaces
[16:00] <Mez> Myrtti, 20 years ago .... tomorrow when I was diagnosed with MED.
[16:01] <Mez> (or, when I was diagnosed with what they now know is MED)
[16:02] <Myrtti> :-/
[16:03]  * Myrtti shows her tongue to PriceChild
[16:03] <Myrtti> bleh.
[16:04] <Mez> !repos
[16:06] <jussi01> hrm, I just spent 700¤ on credit...
[16:06] <Mez> typed an extra 0 by accident ?
[16:06] <Myrtti> jussi01: tut tut
[16:07] <Myrtti> jussi01: flights to OZ?
[16:07] <jussi01> Myrtti: nope
[16:07] <Myrtti> hmph
[16:07] <jussi01> new couch
[16:07] <jussi01> :D
[16:07] <PriceChild> Myrtti: what'd i do? :O
[16:07] <Mez> oh, "on credit"
[16:07] <Myrtti> was going to suggest you'd buy me plane tickets too but nevermind then
[16:07] <Mez> PriceChild, I think it was a response to
 Myrtti: and Mez, sitting in a tree
[16:07] <jussi01> rofl
[16:09] <Nafallo> I had £1124 debit on my creditcard and about £130 on my debit...
[16:10] <Nafallo> :-/
[16:10] <Myrtti> I think I got away with LRL quite cheap, 330ish for flights and 140ish for the hotel
[16:10] <Myrtti> in euros
[16:10] <jussi01> nice
[16:11] <Nafallo> Myrtti: train?
[16:11] <Myrtti> £6ish
[16:11] <Nafallo> hmm. nice train :-P
[16:11] <Myrtti> oh, and the bus in Finland of course, but those I paid with cash
[16:11] <Nafallo> £41 on train ;-)
[16:11] <Myrtti> Nafallo: I flew to Birmingham
[16:11] <Nafallo> ya. a bit closer :-)
[16:11] <Mez> Myrtti, and I paid for the train ticket there... :P
[16:12] <Mez> Nafallo, my train ticket was £2.80 there and £2.20 back
[16:12] <Myrtti> yeah, only because you managed to pay it before I realized it myself
[16:12] <jussi01> Myrtti: page 3, top middle, 699¤ http://www.koti-idea.fi/kuvasto
[16:12] <Mez> Myrtti, I didnt want to miss the train - it was a lot easier for me just to press the right buttons, as it's trained in my muscle memory
[16:13] <Myrtti> jussi01: if only that would work with swfdec
[16:13] <jussi01> Myrtti: :/
[16:14] <Myrtti> but hey, atleast my X doesn't crash anymore!
[16:14] <Nafallo> Myrtti: WIN
[16:14]  * Mez slaps Nafallo for his LRL fail
[16:14] <Nafallo> Mez: no you dont.
[16:15] <Nafallo> Mez: you haven't got allowance for random slaps.
[16:15] <Mez> Nafallo, ?
[16:15] <Myrtti> LRL fail?
[16:15] <Myrtti> where was I?
[16:15] <jussi01> someone go calm them down in -ot please...
[16:15] <Myrtti> is it on video?
[16:15] <Mez> he signed up for the keysigning and didnt turn up
[16:16] <Mez> Myrtti, actually, that was a fair comment by NeT_DeMoN
[16:16] <Nafallo> sure sure. this is starting to get long run... please find something new to do in your spare time
 or I'll crap up my whip
[16:17]  * Myrtti checks her backlog
[16:18] <Mez> jussi01, can you disable @lart in -ot ?
[16:20] <Myrtti> ^ +1
[16:21] <jussi01> sure
[16:22] <bazhang> lart always did me wrong
[16:22] <Mez> !Coc | keith-
[16:22] <Mez> !Coc > keith-
[16:23] <Myrtti> http://youtube.com/watch?v=RfkucaGv0oA AHAHAHAHHAHHAHA
[16:28]  * Mez is dealing with keith -  temporary mute in -offtopic
[16:29] <jussi01> [18:28:48] <jussi01> @unload Lart
[16:29] <jussi01> [18:28:49] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[16:29] <jussi01> :)
[16:29] <Mez> ty
[16:29] <Myrtti> ♥
[16:29] <Myrtti> jussi01: I don't understand why you loaded it in the first place
[16:29] <Myrtti> :-/
[16:30] <jussi01> Myrtti: nm...
[16:31] <Mez> hmm - I'm procrastinating by doing op stuff... :(
[16:31] <jussi01> lol
[16:37] <jussi01> right...
[16:37] <Myrtti> right.
[16:37]  * Mez headdesks
[16:37] <jussi01> I think the discussion has gone far enough badmouthing sev dont you think?
[16:37] <Myrtti> yup
[16:38] <Mez> whats the irc council email addy?
[16:42] <Mez> apparently, talks about sexuality is family friendly, and appropriate for minors
[16:42] <jussi01> Mez: I dont think so
[16:42] <jussi01> lol
[16:42] <jussi01> Mez: was that keith?
[16:43] <Mez> yup
[16:44] <jussi01> heh
[16:56] <Mez> o_O
[16:56] <Mez> what happened there?
[16:56] <Myrtti> nothing much
[16:56] <Myrtti> just triggerhappy trigger usage
[16:58] <bazhang> me suspects stmartin is steff1 from earlier
[16:59] <Myrtti> might be
[17:00] <bazhang> same exact problem and attitude
[17:00] <Mez> PriceChild, pingh
[17:00] <Mez> grr
[17:01] <Mez> PriceChild / nalioth / elkbuntu  ... ping
[17:02] <Mez> http://rafb.net/p/8TRkne71.html
[17:04] <nalioth> noted, Mez
[17:05] <Mez> nalioth, cool, just so you know what to expect ;)
[17:06] <bazhang> stmartin
[17:06] <bazhang> cursing in russian
[17:07] <Mez> was gonna kf him to -bots :P
[17:07] <bazhang> haha
[17:11] <bazhang> would hate to be an operator in -ru
[17:11] <Mez> I think I was at one point
[17:11] <bazhang> wow
[17:11] <Myrtti> I'm not commenting that in any way
[17:11] <bazhang> incredible number of ru speakers spamming today
[17:12] <Mez> bazhang, just the same one over and over again
[17:12] <bazhang> Mez, same guy? no wonder
[17:18] <bazhang> he has twins then
[17:19] <nickrud> might be ukranian
[17:19] <bazhang> seems to be russian
[17:20] <nickrud> heh. Odds are good, but since I don't read cyrillic
[17:20]  * bazhang does
[17:21] <nickrud> I looked up one, numbskull ;)
[17:23] <Mez> nickrud, !attitude
[17:23] <nickrud> Mez silly you, that was a translation.
[17:23] <Mez> :P
[17:24] <Mez> then it should have been : not ,  :P
[17:24] <bazhang> I wish I did not in this case however.
[18:48] <fyrestrtr> yes?
[18:48] <fyrestrtr> is this like the principle's office :/
[18:48] <Myrtti> yes
[18:48] <fyrestrtr> okay okay -- so I slipped :)
[18:48] <Myrtti> WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?!
[18:49] <Myrtti> never - ever EVER say that in #ubuntu
[18:49] <fyrestrtr> yes yes I got it.
[18:49] <fyrestrtr> It was a slip.
[18:50] <Myrtti> make sure I don't see you doing that slip again
[18:50] <Myrtti> I iz not going to be happy then
[18:50] <fyrestrtr> yes sir
[18:50] <Myrtti> ma'am
[18:50] <Myrtti> akshully
[18:50]  * fyrestrtr walks away with head hanging in shame
[18:50] <fyrestrtr> ma'am
[18:51] <Myrtti> had I been fast enough, you'd be banned now
[18:51] <Myrtti> you realize that?
[18:51] <fyrestrtr> meh :/ its a bit of a stretch to ban.
[18:51] <Myrtti> no, not really
[18:51] <Myrtti> you know there are newbs in there
[18:51] <Myrtti> who do what ever you tell them to do
[18:52] <fyrestrtr> but anyway -- I got it now, all these years I've been helping and the first time I got kicked.
[18:52] <Myrtti> that command is *not* to be said by ANYONE
[18:52] <fyrestrtr> first time I slipped tbh :(
[18:52] <Myrtti> so, you know where you are now
[18:53] <Myrtti> no silly things like that again
[18:53] <Myrtti> no recursive removal magic
[18:54] <fyrestrtr> okay :)
[18:54]  * Myrtti larts fyrestrtr on the tush with a metal ruler
[18:54] <Nafallo> ouch
[18:54] <Myrtti> now go, before I change my mind
[18:54] <fyrestrtr> yeaouh
[18:54] <fyrestrtr> wait ..
[18:54] <fyrestrtr> do that again
[18:54] <Nafallo> lol
[18:54] <fyrestrtr> :P
[18:55] <Myrtti> mrtimdog: how may we help you tonight?
[18:55] <fyrestrtr> do that again :P
[18:55] <Myrtti> fyrestrtr: just go
[18:55] <fyrestrtr> okay okay I keed I keed
[18:55] <Myrtti> one... two... two and a half
[18:56] <mrtimdog> Myrtti: Hi, not after anything, just watching the goings on.
[18:56] <Myrtti> mrtimdog: see /topic
[18:56] <mrtimdog> np :)
[18:56]  * jpds wonders if there's a way to highlight rm -$$r$1*^f /
[18:57] <Myrtti> sure there is
[18:57] <PriceChild> There are lots of ways to say "sudo rm -rf /"
[18:57] <fyrestrtr> uh, I got banned :(
[18:57] <fyrestrtr> yes I already got spanked.
[18:57] <fyrestrtr> please unban me.
[18:57] <fyrestrtr> as I'd like to think I help more than I hurt.
[18:57]  * Myrtti hands the metal ruler to PriceChild
[18:58] <PriceChild> fyrestrtr: We don't like malicious people in #ubuntu.
[18:58] <fyrestrtr> it was a silly slip.
[18:58] <fyrestrtr> check the logs if you have them from years ago.
[18:58] <fyrestrtr> and you'll see I've never been kicked or banned.
[18:58] <PriceChild> Myrtti: see http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=326
[18:59] <fyrestrtr> but if its policy to ban for a set period, then fine, I accept that.
[18:59] <Myrtti> PriceChild: I don't read forums, so *shrug*
[18:59] <PriceChild> fyrestrtr: people can format their partitions when installing another os on top. There is no need for that command.
[19:00] <PriceChild> fyrestrtr: if somebody is worrying about their tracks that they leave, then they should use more than rm
[19:00] <fyrestrtr> Look.
[19:00] <fyrestrtr> I understand that I made a mistake.
[19:00] <fyrestrtr> and that what I said may have led to mayhem.
[19:01] <fyrestrtr> But seriously, it was just a slip.
[19:01] <fyrestrtr> if you chose to ban me permanently, then fine.
[19:01] <fyrestrtr> I respect your policy, but I did not have any malicious intent.
[19:01] <fyrestrtr> I will just contribute in other ways.
[19:01] <fyrestrtr> regards,
[19:01] <PriceChild> I shouldn't have banned, was a mistake sorry.
[19:02] <fyrestrtr> Burhan Khalid <-- this is my real name.
[19:02] <fyrestrtr> you can look it up in launchpad / wiki
[19:07]  * Myrtti yawns
[19:07] <Myrtti> drinking fourth pot of espresso isn't a good idea this late
[19:07] <Pici> O.O
[19:10] <Pici> mtaylor: How can we help you today?
[19:10] <mtaylor> I was wondering if I could have an ubottu
[19:11] <mtaylor> or... if there's a place to grab him to run my own
[19:11] <mtaylor> in #drizzle
[19:11] <Pici> mtaylor: The latest revision of the ubottu code is https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak <- there, its just a few plugins for supybot.
[19:12] <mtaylor> ah...
[19:13] <mtaylor> ok. I grabbed tweak, but that was just plugins... nothing mentioned supybot...
[19:13] <mtaylor> I'll just do that
[19:13] <mtaylor> thanks
[19:13] <nalioth> what's a #drizzle?
[19:14] <Pici> A light rain?
[19:14] <mtaylor> :)
[19:14] <mtaylor> it's a fork/derivative of mysql
[19:15] <Myrtti> intresting... hm.
[19:15] <Myrtti> I didn't know their licence allowed that, but I guess I'm wrong
[19:15] <mtaylor> gpl
[19:16] <Myrtti> depends on viewpoint
[19:16] <Myrtti> anyway
[19:17] <mtaylor> cool... well thanks guys
[19:18] <Myrtti> of course that hostname would explain thing or two
[19:21] <Myrtti> hello Twilight_Wolf
[19:21] <Twilight_Wolf> Hey
[19:21] <Twilight_Wolf> Can you help me with an IRC server on Ubuntu?
[19:21] <Myrtti> how may we help you tonight?
[19:21] <Twilight_Wolf> I need help setting one up.
[19:21] <jpds> Twilight_Wolf: -> #ubuntu-server
[19:22] <Twilight_Wolf> ok
[19:22] <Twilight_Wolf> I see the URL now
[19:27] <Myrtti> Twilight_Wolf: is there anything else?
[19:28] <Twilight_Wolf> ummm
[19:28] <Twilight_Wolf> nope
[19:28] <Twilight_Wolf> nothing atm
[19:28] <Twilight_Wolf> !voice
[19:28] <Twilight_Wolf> !irc
[19:28] <Twilight_Wolf> !irchelp
[19:28] <Twilight_Wolf> !ircstats'
[19:28] <Twilight_Wolf> !ircstats
[19:28] <Myrtti> !idle
[19:28] <Pici> !topic
[19:29] <Twilight_Wolf> !idle
[19:30] <Myrtti> !idle > Twilight_Wolf
[19:30]  * Twilight_Wolf is away: Eating lunch at McDonalds
[19:30] <Pici> ...
[19:30] <Myrtti> oookkkkeeeyyy
[19:30]  * Myrtti hides
[19:30] <Pici> fcol
[19:30] <TW|AWAY> !idle > Myrtti
[19:31] <nalioth> sorry, Myrtti
[19:31] <Pici> cheater
[19:31] <Myrtti> that just set my teeth on edge
[19:31] <nalioth> TW|AWAY: can we help you?
[19:31] <TW|AWAY> im eating
[19:31] <TW|AWAY> let me stay here
[19:31] <nalioth> yes, and being rude
[19:31] <Pici> Why?
[19:31] <jpds> !away | TW|AWAY
[19:31] <TW|AWAY> I want to
[19:31] <Pici> TW|AWAY: Do you understand what this channel is for?
[19:31] <Myrtti> what part of "this channel has no idling policy" did you not understand?
[19:32] <TW|AWAY> sorry
[19:32] <nalioth> TW|AWAY: do you understand the /topic here?
[19:32] <TW|AWAY> lemme eat!
[19:32] <TW|AWAY> bai
[19:32] <nalioth> you can come back when you're done
[19:32] <TW|AWAY> WAIT
[19:32] <TW|AWAY> there are tons of idlers here
[19:32] <Myrtti> nope, not really
[19:32] <TW|AWAY> take Gary as an example
[19:32]  * Myrtti doesn't see any
[19:33] <nalioth> take TW|AWAY for example
[19:33] <TW|AWAY> ...
[19:33] <jpds> TW|AWAY: G.ary is a member of staff.
[19:33] <TW|AWAY> why are there extra voices here that are idle?
[19:33] <nalioth> it's always best to mind ones own business
[19:33]  * jpds wishes he would turn off the away message thing for once.
[19:34] <Seeker`> howdy
[19:34] <jpds> 'lo Seeker`
[20:46] <Myrtti> lol
[20:47] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/40935900
[22:04] <PriceChild> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.5 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.5.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:04] <PriceChild> gah
[22:06] <Seeker`> PriceChild: o/
[22:06] <PriceChild> Allo Seeker`
[22:07] <Seeker`> PriceChild: how be?
[22:08] <PriceChild> good, enjoying the weekend
[22:09] <Seeker`> weekend is good :)
[22:09] <Dave2> weekdays have air conditioned office :(
[22:10] <Seeker`> not for me they dont
[22:10] <Seeker`> hopefully soon
[23:00]  * ompaul goes away
[23:07] <Flannel> can anyone handle that?
[23:07] <Mez> hes gone
[23:09] <Mez> @login
[23:09] <Mez> @btlogin
[23:29] <PriceChild> eyes on operator
[23:30] <Flannel> PriceChild: What?
[23:30] <Flannel> Oh, I'm on it.  Already kicked him once
[23:30] <PriceChild> in #ubuntu
[23:58] <Flannel> oh bother.


[17:50] <netritious> good afternoon
[20:39] <netritious> anyone here running ubuntu? if so, desktop or server or both?
[20:42] <Unit193> 'Ubuntu', or an Ubuntu flavor?  I have an Ubuntu server, and Xubuntu.
[21:20] <netritious> hey Unit193 yeah that would count in my book :)
[21:21] <netritious> I'm just curious
[21:26] <Unit193> I also have a Debian Xfce VM, and Debian testing server.
[21:31] <netritious> nice. I have a bunch of older test vm's I need to ditch for something fresh.
[22:51] <netritious> TIL code can smell? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_smell
[23:05] <netritious> yay quittin' time cya guys


[00:59] <genupulas> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6453690/
[00:59] <genupulas> somebody help meplease
[01:02] <tumbleweed> genupulas: Unmet build dependencies
[01:02] <tumbleweed> either install them, or build in a chroot, with a tool that'll install them for you
[01:02] <tumbleweed> like pbuilder / sbuild
[01:03] <genupulas> so how  can I do in chroot ? what I have to type ? just pbuilder is enough ?
[01:05] <genupulas> tumbleweed: ^^
[01:06] <tumbleweed> genupulas: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html#set-up-pbuilder
[01:07] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  thanks :)
[01:07] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  at release , what will happen If I place debian names and not Ubuntu ?
[01:07] <genupulas> which one is better ?
[01:11] <tumbleweed> the one you want to build for is better :P
[01:12] <genupulas> ok did typed pbuilder-dist saucy create
[01:15] <tumbleweed> genupulas: right, then you'll build with pbuilder-dist saucy foo.dsc
[01:16] <genupulas> what that foo.dsc ?
[01:16] <genupulas> tumbleweed: ^^
[01:16] <tumbleweed> your source package
[01:16] <genupulas> ok
[01:17] <genupulas> the previous command  going on now , after finishing that i will do this
[01:17] <tumbleweed> which you'll get by doing a bzr bd -S
[01:19] <xnox> tumbleweed: is it at all possible to make reverse-depends, _optionally_, take into account -proposed pocket (unless it already knows how to do it?)
[01:20] <xnox> as a second index?
[01:20] <xnox> cause at the moment, i need to hunt one by one and check if reverse-dependency was fixing in -proposed or not.
[01:20] <tumbleweed> yeah, it only looks at the release pocket
[01:21] <tumbleweed> patches accepted? :P
[01:32] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6456373/
[01:32] <genupulas> same again
[01:38] <tumbleweed> genupulas: because you just ran the same thing again
[02:05] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  I am not getting
[02:05] <genupulas> what have to do ?
[07:18] <dholbach> good morning
[10:40] <dholbach> \o/ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-packaging-guide-team/ubuntu-packaging-guide/trunk/revision/458
[10:40] <Laney> :O
[10:42] <dholbach> next up is Chinese and Italian it seems: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/
[10:44]  * xnox ponders if debian/changelog examples are in french =)
[10:48] <mitya57> dholbach: great job!
[11:07] <dholbach> mitya57, good work from the French team! :)
[11:09] <mitya57> dholbach: But commit was yours :)
[11:09] <dholbach> haha
[12:25] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: nginx done
[16:18] <Laney> tumbleweed: care to sort out getting the needed deps of the sponsorship miner installed on new alioth?
[16:18] <Laney> either that or move it to ubuntuwire I guess
[16:19] <TheLordOfTime> cjwatson: ack, saw that in my emails this morning.  thanks.
[16:21] <Laney> also, hacked neglected-packages to use the new host but that should go to bzr
[16:21] <Laney> & it should use python-distro-info - maybe push the branch somewhere under ~ubuntu-dev?
[16:23] <tumbleweed> Laney: that all sounds sensible
[16:23] <Laney> will do the last two things ;-)
[16:26] <Laney> tumbleweed: oh, errrrrrr, you did some kind of rewrite that's not deployed
[16:27] <tumbleweed> I guess python-distro-info should be added to those deps then
[16:27] <Laney> aha
[16:27] <Laney> it already is on ubuntuwire
[16:27] <Laney> the version on alioth is some ancient thing
[16:27] <tumbleweed> :(
[16:27] <Laney> & does already use distro-info
[16:27] <Laney> okay, so just the sponsorship miner to fix
[16:27] <tumbleweed> that might have been from before we had up-to-date udd on syklone
[16:28] <Laney> seems likely
[16:30] <Laney> made neglected-packages redirect
[16:44]  * tumbleweed mailed alioth admins
[16:46] <Laney>  ta
[23:57] <tumbleweed> Laney: sponsorship miner is working


[00:10] <cjwatson> mwhudson: I made a start on git-build-recipe a while back, but it's not in a workable state yet ...
[00:11] <cjwatson> (with the intention of presenting as close to the same interface as possible, unlike gbp)
[00:36] <mwhudson> cjwatson: nice
[04:53] <lifeless> cjwatson: bzr-git + bzr-recipe might work:)
[15:30] <clivejo> I use a password manager to log into Ubuntu One, but it keeps denying access saying Im a bot.  Does it detect how fast the password is typed into the form?
[15:32] <dobey> the form has hidden data in the form submission to prevent bot spam, so your password manager extension is probably submitting the form without that extra data
[15:32] <clivejo> its the same form
[15:33] <clivejo> just the browser plugin inserts the username and password
[15:33] <clivejo> Launchpad is the only site I have issues with
[15:35] <clivejo> even if I manually "copy and paste" the password, it does it
[15:37] <dobey> you probably have another extension which is breaking the form then
[15:37] <dobey> the internal pw manager in both chromium and firefox work fine for me on signing into u1. if you have noscript or some other similar extension, it's likely breaking the form.
[15:38] <dobey> try disabling some such extensions
[19:34] <caraka> An observation as opposed to a complaint - Launchpad is moving slower than mollasses at the moment. 45 minutes it sat at "pending build in 10 min" and now the 30 minute build has been going for 20 minutes but still has 47 minutes to go?
[19:38] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/builders
[19:45] <dobey> caraka: i guess you're complaining about arm64 builds?
[19:46] <caraka> I'm not really complaining, but all the builds are slow - amd64 i386 armhf
[19:46] <caraka> just wonderng if anything was up. they are building after all, I've simply never seen it build so slowly
[19:46] <dobey> looks like half the virtualized builders are offline
[19:47] <dobey> so if this is in a personal PPA, then that's probably why
[19:47] <caraka> fair enough. a bit of resource squeeze today
[19:47] <caraka> it is a personal PPA, and I'm not in any hurry
[19:48] <caraka> but yeah - the arm build which is always slow say complete in 9 hours, lol
[19:50] <caraka> and thanks for that link dobey - I've never seen that page before
[19:51] <teward> dobey: so the PPA builders are down then for arm?  Not the repo builders?
[19:51] <dobey> teward: yes, the non-virtualized builders for the archive are all running, just busy (you can see on the builders page)
[19:52] <teward> well, I can't see, because my phone is derp with loading the page
[19:52] <dobey> i'm not sure why the lcy01 virt builders are all down
[19:52] <teward> hence the question :)
[19:53] <caraka> The summary:  176 available build machines, 47 disabled and 67 building of a total of 223 registered.
[19:54] <dobey> teward: get an ubuntu phone ;)
[19:54] <teward> dobey: E: No Money
[19:54] <teward> dobey: unless you've offered to send me one from the US markets for zero cost?  :P
[19:55] <teward> (the load issue is the wifi, not the phone)
[19:55] <dobey> there are no us market phones yet :P
[19:55] <teward> then i won't be able to get an Ubuntu phone :)
[19:55] <dobey> do you have a nexus 4?
[19:56] <caraka> I have been tempted to buy one from the Chinese market, tbh
[19:56] <teward> dobey: unfortunately not
[19:56] <caraka> I want one. and the dual sim slot for travel
[19:56] <dobey> i run it on my nexus 5, but ubuntu on a nexus 5 isn't for everyone
[19:56] <teward> dobey: tempted to but work keeps giving me iphones
[19:56] <teward> so meh
[19:56] <teward> still doesn't fix the wifi problem here :P
[19:57] <teward> in any case, thanks for the response, guess I'll hold off on uploads to my arm-enabled PPAs for a while
[19:58] <caraka> teward: the time to completion of my arm builds has been dropping like a rock as we talked. maybe the sqeeze is over
[19:58] <dobey> teward: eh, holding off isn't going to get them built any sooner :P
[20:00] <teward> dobey: no, but it means there's 6 less packages in the build queue
[20:01] <teward> got a ZNC upload to the ZNC PPA today, thanks to Debian fixing the Lintian issue I brought up :p
[20:01] <teward> (the issue in the znc package, not Lintian itself)
[20:21] <ki7mt> Hello All, I need to make PPA private for developer testing only, is this possible without it being a commercial type PPA?
[20:24] <dobey> no it requires a commerical license to do that
[20:24] <dobey> is it not for an open source project?
[20:26] <ki7mt> The app source code is open source, we're just having some issues with users not understanding what non released / development builds are v.s. supported production builds.
[20:28] <ki7mt> I can disable the PPA for the time being, that will solve the problem for sure but was just checking to see if there were alternative methods.
[20:29] <teward> developer testing as in test building, right?
[20:30] <teward> oop i should've said nothing :)
[20:30]  * teward goes back to the shadows
[20:35] <dobey> ki7mt: it won't solve the problem
[20:36] <dobey> ki7mt: the right way to solve the problem is to have CI such that all commits are well tested and do not create situations where things break.
[20:38] <ki7mt> dobey, :-) .. that part I don't have much control over. We already have a Released Version PPA, this particular PPA was for experimental testing anyway.
[20:39] <dobey> then the best you can do is name it something that indicates its possible instability, and state that it's unstable in the PPA description
[20:42] <ki7mt> Yes, agreed, that's what I've done. I can use pbuilder / sbuild or whatever to test packaging locally for now. Thanks for the info.


[11:56] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: ping
[11:56] <ogra_> yep
[11:57] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: finally got around to build a pandaboard kernel as we talked yesterday. for simplicity, just using direct copy, but update-initramfs fails:
[11:57] <LetoThe2nd> Kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-rc7-carthag+ does not match your subarchitecture
[11:58] <ogra_> why the + ?
[11:58] <ogra_> add -omap4 instead :)
[11:58] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: no idea where it comes from.
[11:58] <ogra_> juat cp the file
[11:58] <ogra_> just
[11:58] <LetoThe2nd> CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=-carthag
[12:00] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: make modules_install tells me the kernel itself believes it has to be called "+": DEPMOD  3.2.0-rc7-carthag+
[12:01] <ogra_> well, the + seems odd
[12:01] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: yes, but the first part (searching modules) of update-initramfs only works if you keep the +
[12:01] <ogra_> k
[12:02] <ogra_> add omap4 to the localversion though ...
[12:03] <LetoThe2nd> set to -carthag-omap4 now
[12:03] <ogra_> k
[12:04] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: BTW, it is the tilt kernel from linaro that rsalveti pointed me to.
[12:05] <ogra_> there should be debs of it already
[12:05] <ogra_> and i think the ubuntu distro kernel is based on that branch (with ubuntu sauce on top though)
[12:05] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: i can't change the platform config in deb files ;)
[12:08] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: just for clarity: i use arch/arm/boot/zImage as the vmlinuz?
[12:08] <ogra_> yep
[12:09] <ogra_> update.initramfs is a script btw, you could also use a txt file as vmlinuz, it doesnt care
[12:10] <LetoThe2nd> now modules_install says DEPMOD  3.2.0-rc7-carthag-omap4+
[12:14] <rsalveti> LetoThe2nd: guess that's a problem with flash-kernel
[12:14] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti: but where does that "+" come from in the first line?
[12:14] <rsalveti> that requires the filename to end up with -omap or something similar
[12:15] <rsalveti> LetoThe2nd: guess that's part of the kernel scripts to generate the deb file
[12:15] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti: i'm not creating a deb, just dumb make.
[12:16] <rsalveti> LetoThe2nd: that's interesting
[12:16] <rsalveti> let me check here
[12:16] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti: its the most simple use case. native build on the panda with make.
[12:17] <LetoThe2nd> BTW: how to git pull while i'm on the remote tilt-tracking?
[12:21] <LetoThe2nd> ah, git pull origin tilt-tracking says up-to-date.
[12:33] <rsalveti> LetoThe2nd: here I'm still pulling the branch
[12:33] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti: no need to hurry, i'm playing skyrim in the meanwhile ;)
[12:33] <rsalveti> LetoThe2nd: haha :-)
[12:34]  * LetoThe2nd is on vacation
[12:57] <rsalveti> LetoThe2nd: yup, seems it adds + by default at the kernel name
[12:58] <rsalveti> let me check the config options
[14:30] <rsalveti> LetoThe2nd: # If CONFIG_KALLSYMS is set .version is already updated
[14:31] <rsalveti> # Use + in front of the vmlinux_version rule to silent warning with make -j2
[14:31] <rsalveti> from Makefile
[14:32] <rsalveti> but could also be related with kernelrelease or linux_version_code
[14:32] <rsalveti> probably something saying the kernel is the tag+ a few patches
[14:33] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti: yeah, that was also my first guess.
[16:30] <doko> GrueMaster, about bug 903695, what is needed to get the "Verification-testing" done?
[16:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 903695 in kernel-sru-workflow/verification-testing "linux-ti-omap4: 3.0.0-1206.14 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/903695
[16:32] <GrueMaster> Doko:  Regression-testing 	Fix Released  Undecided   Tobin Davis
[16:32] <GrueMaster> that means I have already tested it and blessed it from my side.  Not up to me now.
[16:33] <GrueMaster> Looks like it still needs sign-off from the ubuntu-armel-kernel team and the Canonical Security team.
[16:34] <GrueMaster> Like I said two weeks ago, I am hardly the bottleneck on these SRU kernels.
[16:37] <doko> GrueMaster, I'm just getting used to this "processes"
[16:38] <GrueMaster> doko:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/kernel-sru-workflow
[16:38] <doko> ppisati, ^^^ looks to be your task ;-) there's only one member in the team
[16:45] <ppisati> doko: nope, sru team
[16:45] <doko> ppisati, confused, you're the only member in this team
[16:48] <GrueMaster> Is it me or is launchpad being extremely slow?
[17:23] <GrueMaster> ppisati: I'm getting ready to fire some bugs your way for precise omap4 kernel.
[19:36] <dogan> hi
[19:36] <dogan> can someone help me about configuring a new sd-card
[19:37] <dogan> ?
[19:37] <dogan> for ubuntu
[19:37] <GrueMaster> dogan: What are you trying to do?
[19:38] <dogan> thanks for reply :)
[19:38] <dogan> first i want to know difference between maverick and narwhall distros?
[19:39] <GrueMaster> Erm, lots?  What platform are you using?  Panda?
[19:39] <dogan> yep
[19:39] <dogan> Pandaboard
[19:39] <dogan> just got it
[19:39] <dogan> i want to work on a pay tv application
[19:39] <GrueMaster> I would recommend Oneiric (11.10).  It is more tuned, and will more than likely support your board (if it is newer).
[19:39] <dogan> which distro has more multimedia options for example...
[19:40] <dogan> oneiric
[19:40] <dogan> ok
[19:40] <dogan> pls wait, i am checking the prebuild binaries
[19:40] <GrueMaster> Yes, Oneiric.  What rev board are you using?
[19:41] <dogan> REV A
[19:41] <dogan> is it good or bad?
[19:41] <GrueMaster> 4430 or 4460?
[19:41] <GrueMaster> (Rev A doesn't tell me much).
[19:42] <dogan> the serial number starts with 4430 so it is 4430 i think...
[19:42] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[19:42] <dogan> U4430500...
[19:42] <GrueMaster> Not sure how the serial number thing works.
[19:42] <dogan> are there bugs? on old version?
[19:42] <dogan> let me check the retail box label...
[19:43] <GrueMaster> Biggest issue is supporting newer rev boards.
[19:43] <dogan> hım
[19:43] <dogan> i see
[19:43] <dogan> yes it is 4430
[19:43] <dogan> so it is good for compatibility... right?
[19:43] <GrueMaster> As sometimes the boards ship before we can get support in the u-boot/kernel.
[19:43] <GrueMaster> Oneiric should suit your needs well.
[19:43] <dogan> fine thanks
[19:44] <GrueMaster> I tested it on A1, A2, and A3 (all of the known shipping 4430 revs).
[19:44] <dogan>     Natty Narwhal (11.04) Netbook Installation Instructions
[19:44] <dogan>     Natty Narwhal (11.04) Headless Installation Instructions
[19:44] <dogan>     Maverick Meerkat (10.10) Netbook Installation Instructions
[19:44] <dogan> what are these so?
[19:44] <dogan> bootloaders?
[19:46] <GrueMaster> They are different spins.  Maverick and Natty are 10.10 and 11.04 ubuntu releases.  Headless is exactly that, it runs w/o keyboard/monitor.  Netbook was what we were shipping prior to Oneiric, when the x86 netbook & desktop images converged.
[19:47] <dogan> so for pandaboard maverick is right choice?
[19:47] <GrueMaster> Oneiric desktop installation will be identical to the Netbook release instructions as far as creating a bootable SD.
[19:47] <dogan> so what am i suppose to do for panda?
[19:47] <GrueMaster> No, use Oneiric.  Maverick was the first release for that platform, and only works on early rev boards.
[19:48] <dogan> and win32diskimager works for me?
[19:48] <dogan> ha ok these are old distros...
[19:48] <dogan> i see
[19:48] <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz
[19:48] <dogan> so i downloaded oneiric
[19:48] <dogan> can i use win32diskimager for writing to my sd?
[19:49] <GrueMaster> win32-image-writer will work if you are using windows.  I just released v0.4 yesterday.
[19:49] <dogan> fine dude trying now :)
[19:49] <GrueMaster> And I tested it quite extensively.
[19:49] <dogan> outstanding :)
[19:50] <dogan> GrueMaster:is it a .net application?
[19:51] <GrueMaster> No, it is a QT application.
[19:51] <dogan> himmm ok
[19:51] <GrueMaster> The binary zip file has everything you need.  Just make sure your path includes "." so that it will pull the dll files from the program directory.
[19:53] <GrueMaster> I don't have an installer for the program, so you just need to extract everything to one directory.  Then just double click on the .exe
[19:54] <GrueMaster> A lot of pain went into testing v0.4 (I had to run Windows XP & Windows 7 - shudder).
[20:27] <dogan> GrueMaster:r u there?
[20:29] <GrueMaster> Yes, barely (local server issues).
[20:30] <dogan> i just downloaded the distro
[20:30] <dogan> also downloaded your image writer
[20:30] <dogan> but file extension is different
[20:30] <dogan> so i wrote .raw file
[20:30] <dogan> will it work? eh?
[20:30] <GrueMaster> You will need to uncompress the image file.  Winzip (or Windows 7) should be able to do this.
[20:31] <GrueMaster> win32-image-writer doesn't support file compression natively.
[20:31] <dogan> yes it worked man
[20:31] <dogan> yea i know but i meant that the file extension after extration is raw, not img
[20:32] <dogan> so i wrote sd by forcing to write .raw file instead of .img
[20:32] <dogan> and it worked yessss :D
[20:32] <dogan> heyooo
[20:33] <dogan> thank you so mych GrueMaster, you are really a master :D


[00:49] <Dirkson> Unit193: Managed to free juuuust enough space to let the update tool do its work, and so now I appear to be on 14.somethingorother, which is good enough. Thanks for the earlier input : )
[00:51] <Unit193> Great!  Glad you got it all working then.  And check for old kernels too, those can take up a good deal.  I'm a fan of 'ncdu' myself.
[01:20] <Dirkson> Unit193: Didn't know about ncdu. That seems a lot preferrable to my usual du|grep|less thing.
[03:45] <tachibana> hi
[20:24] <Guest-2> I am using lubuntu 14.04.3 64 bit and it willnot read SDHC card. what can be wrong ?
[20:25] <dzho> what is the card readable on?
[20:26]  * dzho wonders about the filesystem
[20:27] <Guest-2> I dont know. but one card is allready used on another computer with lubuntu 32 bit. i know sometimes i need to format it.
[20:28] <Guest-2> My computer dont detect my cards.
[20:38] <Guest-2> dzho: it just worked once, but not anymore.
[20:53] <Guest-2> how can i make the cardreader works ?
[21:00] <Guest-2> brb
[21:03] <Guest-2> test
[21:14] <Guest-2> Is someone know about sd card mounting problems ?
[21:39] <Wsewolod> Hello. I'm a new linux user, and after dual-booting Lubuntu onto my system, I cannot connect to my wireless internet. What are some troubleshooting possibilities for this that don't involve installing anything?
[21:44] <redwolf> Wsewolod, do you see your connection in the wifi applet menu?
[21:45] <Wsewolod> In the bottom-right connection panel, it does not detect any connections and had some ethernet default
[21:46] <Wsewolod> My Win10 partition picks up all wireless networks, and I've "added" the information for my desired signal, but it does not connect or detect anything.
[21:46] <redwolf> so it's not detected automatically? did it work during the install process?
[21:46] <Wsewolod> It did not.
[21:48] <redwolf> it's odd
[21:49] <redwolf> maybe a drivers related problem, or a specific model thing
[21:49] <Wsewolod> Alright then
[21:49] <Wsewolod> I'll try reinstalling, and if that doesn't work, temporarily use a different distro on the device :/ Thank you.
[21:50] <redwolf> okay o.o


[13:26] <Nothing_Much> Oh, okay, now 14.10 works on Virtualbox
[13:26] <Nothing_Much> Let's see what I can test now...
[13:49] <Nothing_Much> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat This page looks borked
[15:24] <Nothing_Much> Is there a bug report or feature request for Test Drive that enables more than just 1 version of Ubuntu? Such as 14.04 and 14.10? Because I can only select one or the other when it comes to testing and Test Drive makes things so much easier to download instead of just looking for the latest release on img.qa.ubuntu.com
[15:46] <average_guy> Edit-->preferences-->release Nothing_Much
[15:48] <average_guy> or change "repository"
[16:03] <Nothing_Much> average_guy: Oh, I see now, but isn't there a way to show both 14.10 and 14.04 at the same time without going into the preferences to show which ones you want to test?
[16:04] <average_guy> not AFAIK
[17:04] <ianorlin> also I don't think there is an out of the box way for testdrive to have shared iso images between two users
[17:04] <ianorlin> unless you manully set up symlinks or something
[20:11] <ianorlin> I do get the same symptom for bug 1339887 but there is so little info on what version or even release they are using


[09:59] <mhr3> Saviq, btw two notes from design review, not sure if anyone opened these as bugs yet
[09:59] <mhr3> - carousel visual in scopes isn't correct (should be circular)
[09:59] <mhr3> - orange dividing line when revealing indicators shouldn't disappear when the overlay is fully opened
[09:59] <Saviq> mhr3, nope, Jouni just said "approved"
[09:59] <Saviq> mhr3, ah but that's not even new-scopes
[10:00] <mhr3> Saviq, nah, general stuff
[10:00] <Saviq> mhr3, not sure what the first one means, though
[10:00] <Saviq> mhr3, care to file them please?
[10:00] <mhr3> Saviq, the first one still needs visual design, cause afaict it matches it fine
[10:01] <Saviq> mhr3, affect ubuntu-ux then?
[10:01] <mhr3> Saviq, fwiw it was about the corners of the carousel - they shouldn't be just cut, the carousel has to be "shaped" differently
[10:01] <Saviq> mhr3, ah you mean edges?
[10:01] <mhr3> yea
[10:01] <Saviq> mhr3, like left/right edge?
[10:01] <Saviq> mhr3, there's some shadow that's meant to happen AFAIR
[10:01] <mhr3> Saviq, otherwise switching between scopes that have carousels is too weird
[10:02] <Saviq> mhr3, yup, understood
[10:04] <mhr3> Saviq, anyway, just a headsup on upcoming changes
[10:04] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah thanks
[10:39] <Saviq> greyback, hey, opinion: bug or not https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37677 ?
[10:43] <greyback> Saviq: so it does sounds like a bug, but I suspect the way Mir blocks rendering of clients isn't good either. I believe Mir causes Qt to block in its rendering thread at the swapBuffers call, which I'm not sure is a typical thing to do. Usually I'd expect a window manager to send "window hidden" events to all clients, so that they can pause their rendering thread, yet keep chewing events
[10:44] <Saviq> greyback, well, as we've seen from 5.0, this can happen regardless
[10:44] <Saviq> greyback, IMO the fact that you can't produce frames
[10:44] <Saviq> should not mean you should stop processing everything else altogether
[10:46] <Saviq> greyback, and FWIW in this case it's not a "blocked thread" issue, i.e. the processing stops after a few seconds after the output's been blocked
[10:46] <Saviq> so it looks like it's actively suspended after some timeout
[10:46] <greyback> huh
[10:47] <greyback> that's bizarre
[10:47] <Saviq> yeah, I'm worried of a "it's not a bug, it's a feature" response
[10:48] <mzanetti> paulliu: hey, you around?
[10:48] <greyback> Saviq: any luck in tracking down the code change?
[10:48] <greyback> want a hand?
[10:49] <Saviq> greyback, didn't get to it, was actually hoping for Alan or Simon to show up, but that's not happening, so will get onto bisecting now
[11:00] <paulliu> mzanetti: hi
[11:00] <paulliu> mzanetti: what's up?
[11:01] <mzanetti> hi paulliu. Just came by your lazyImage fix
[11:01] <mzanetti> got me curious why the existing tests didn't catch this
[11:01] <mzanetti> while figuring I added some for it
[11:01] <paulliu> mzanetti: because it needs adding real image for test. Or we cannot get the source size.
[11:02] <paulliu> mzanetti: oh.. ok
[11:02] <mzanetti> paulliu: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-lazyImage1-test/+merge/212131
[11:02] <paulliu> mzanetti: I'll merge it.
[11:02] <mzanetti> paulliu: I proposed it to be merged into your branch
[11:02] <paulliu> mzanetti: ok. thanks a lot.
[11:02] <mzanetti> paulliu: no problem. thank you for discovering this
[11:03] <greyback> Saviq: in the bug, should it not be "qmlscene printDate.qml" not "qml printDate.qml" ?
[11:03] <Saviq> greyback, "qml" is a new blessed tool
[11:03] <mzanetti> uh?
[11:03]  * mzanetti tries
[11:03] <greyback> ah yeah
[11:03] <Saviq> greyback, that's actually "allowed" to be used in production, as opposed to qmlscene
[11:04] <Saviq> mzanetti, apt-get install qml
[11:04] <greyback> thought it was to be called qmlrunner
[11:04] <greyback> saves me 6 keystrokes
[11:04] <mzanetti> does it use less mem?
[11:09] <mzanetti> no... 300kb more
[11:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, paulliu, there's a licensing issue with the code in that branch, see Cimi's comment
[11:12] <Saviq> the original code is GPL v2 or v3, we can't get that
[11:12] <mzanetti> Saviq: which branch?
[11:12] <Saviq> mzanetti, paulliu's ZoomableImage
[11:13] <mzanetti> Saviq: ah... the one we just talked about was a fix in LazyImage
[11:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah crap, of course
[11:13]  * Saviq mixed stuff up, as you were
[11:14] <mzanetti> nw
[11:16] <Cimi> ciao paulliu
[11:16] <Cimi> we use this policy now when we propose or review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/Checklists/Unity8
[11:17] <Cimi> for example https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/workaround-lp1293478/+merge/211702
[11:34] <mhr3> Saviq, any idea why qmlviewer would tell me that it can't connect to display when run via xvfb-run?
[11:34] <Saviq> mhr3, because it's qt4?
[11:35] <Saviq> mhr3, did you actually want to use QtQuick1 / Qt4?
[11:35] <Saviq> or did you mean qmlscene
[11:35] <Saviq> mhr3, either way
[11:35] <mhr3> Saviq, ah, no i actually run just "qml foo.qml"
[11:35] <Saviq> `xvfb-run -s "-screen 0 1024x768x24" qml foo` works fine here
[11:36] <Saviq> mhr3, the x24 is important
[11:36] <Saviq> mhr3, otherwise Gallium doesn't work
[11:37] <mhr3> Saviq, :/
[11:37] <mhr3> $ xvfb-run -a -s "screen 0 1024x768x24" qml test.qml
[11:37] <mhr3> QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display :109
[11:37] <Saviq> mhr3, 109? do you have 10 other xvfbs running?
[11:38] <Saviq> mhr3, I get the same with -a
[11:38] <mhr3> no, not even one
[11:38] <Saviq> mhr3, drop the -a
[11:38] <Saviq> interesting
[11:38] <mhr3> Saviq, without -a it's trying to use :0
[11:38] <Saviq> mhr3, huh? then xvfb-run is stupid
[11:38] <Saviq> mhr3, ah
[11:38] <Saviq> mhr3, missing-
[11:38] <Saviq> mhr3, -screen
[11:39] <Saviq> not screen
[11:39] <mhr3> aaaah :)
[11:39] <mhr3> cheers
[11:39] <Saviq> nw
[11:39] <Saviq> yay for cryptic error msgs
[11:39] <Saviq> /food
[11:47] <asac> Saviq: mzanetti: greyback: are we out of ideas on the event thing?
[11:48] <asac> or still actively pursuing, debugging on our own
[11:49] <greyback> asac: it's being actively pursued right now, we have simple test case, working on tracking down the Qt change responsible
[11:54] <Saviq> asac, what greyback said
[11:55] <asac> greyback: awesome
[12:08] <Saviq> MacSlow|lunch, can you come to #sdk on canonical irc and see with kalikiana what's about his notification test failure?
[12:12] <paulliu> Cimi: ok
[12:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: jfi: updated the xvfbTestSomething
[12:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, k
[12:15] <paulliu> Cimi: so I should change it to GPLv2+?
[12:16] <Saviq> paulliu, no, we just can't have it
[12:16] <paulliu> Saviq: wow, I have to re-write it.
[12:16] <Saviq> paulliu, we (Canonical) needs copyright to the code we want to own
[12:17] <Saviq> paulliu, since we're trying to license it under GPLv3
[12:17] <Saviq> but also be able to dual-license it
[12:18] <Saviq> paulliu, yes, or find something in a more permissible license
[12:34] <Cimi> we probably want [12:34] <Cimi> to be compatible with tests
[12:34] <Cimi> even though I can hardly see this failing
[12:35] <Cimi> Saviq, I propose we use [12:35] <Saviq> Cimi, it's not weirdness ;)
[12:35] <Saviq> Cimi, and we don't have v4
[12:36] <Saviq> Cimi, and it doesn't matter when you're comparing strings
[12:36] <Saviq> Cimi, nothing will ever equal "fit", other than "fit"
[12:36] <Saviq> erm, we *do* have v4 now
[12:37] <Cimi> Saviq, if scaleTo is not string, though
[12:37] <Saviq> Cimi, it will still != "fit"
[12:37] <Saviq> null != "fit"; null !== "fit; object != "fit"; object !== "fit", only "fit" == "fit" and "fit" [12:38] <Saviq> Cimi, it only really matters when you want to check for validity of a variable
[12:38] <Saviq> Cimi, so, 0, "", false vs. null/undefined
[12:39] <Saviq> Cimi, there is one other point
[12:39] <Cimi> I'm reading
[12:39] <Saviq> Cimi, it might be quicker to do [12:39] <Cimi> I know this
[12:40] <paulliu> BTW, can I use those images inside qml/graphics and qml/Dash/graphics for test cases?
[12:40] <paulliu> Some are screenshots.
[12:40] <Cimi> sure
[12:40] <Cimi> paulliu, maybe there are something in tests/
[12:40] <Saviq> paulliu, it's better to copy them / supply your own
[12:41] <Saviq> paulliu, as those from qml/ might disappear/change, while the test should remain valid
[12:41] <paulliu> Saviq: ok
[12:42] <Cimi> paulliu, ask danrader about the test
[12:42] <Cimi> paulliu, as in my comment
[12:42] <paulliu> Cimi: ok
[12:43] <Cimi> latencies on jenkins are not reliable
[12:43] <Cimi> in your case might not matter since a pinch to zoom hold the mouse
[12:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, did you take care to not fail if gcc isn't available?
[13:56] <Cimi> mterry, ping
[13:56] <mterry> Cimi, hello
[13:56] <Cimi> morning!
[13:56] <Cimi> mterry, I am recompiling but I didn't seem to get the wifi page loaded
[13:57] <Cimi> mterry, I removed .disabled though
[13:57] <mterry> Cimi, how are you running?
[13:57] <Cimi> mterry, wizard/tests.sh
[13:58] <Cimi> mterry, unless a previous debuild has the .disabled
[13:58] <mterry> Cimi, is it gone from debian/tmp/usr/share/ubuntu/settings/wizard/qml/Pages?
[13:58] <mterry> Cimi, that's where test.sh looks
[13:58] <Cimi> I'll wait for this debuild to finish
[13:58]  * Cimi should really start building this pc, that arrived
[13:58] <mzanetti> Saviq: re gcc not available. do we really need to catch that?
[13:58] <Cimi> an i7 4770 will help with compile :)
[13:59] <mzanetti> I mean... we have much worse issues in that case
[13:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, dunno, do you think gcc will be everywhere this might be run?
[14:00] <mzanetti> Saviq: are you now thinking of no cmpiler around at all or a different compiler used?
[14:00] <Saviq> mzanetti, none at all
[14:00] <seb128> mterry, there might be an issue with that logic, I didn't check out, but remember how my number of dots was off until I installed the deb the other day? it seems to look in the system location for some stuf (like the number of pages at least)
[14:01] <Cimi> also
[14:01] <Cimi> can we check it works fine with no-sim?
[14:01] <Cimi> I mena, number of dots
[14:01] <Cimi> *mean
[14:02] <mterry> seb128, oh hmm, maybe because test.sh *prefixes* to XDG_DATA_DIRS instead of *replacing* it
[14:03] <Cimi> mterry, that would explain why I didn't get the wifi page
[14:03] <mzanetti> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7130716/
[14:04] <mterry> Cimi, try changing that in test.sh and see what happens
[14:04] <mzanetti> after that FindQtXXX bails out a couple of times, but it never even reaches that place
[14:04] <kgunn> mterry: so, every pkg built but telephony-service, seems to fail on "no matching func" in one of the mocks...
[14:04] <kgunn> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/170202092/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-armhf.telephony-service_0.1%2B14.04.20140321-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:05]  * kgunn so glad we're doing this now :)
[14:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's really easy to catch - if no gcc, don't export LD_...
[14:05] <Cimi> mterry, I don't have .disabled
[14:05] <Cimi> still doesnot wok
[14:05] <mterry> kgunn, either I have to merge from trunk or telephony-service is expecting some other library to be updated
[14:05] <mterry> kgunn, let me try merging
[14:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, I'm just thinking ahead, when we give that to people that don't actually have anything compiled in their apps, so cmake won't look for gcc
[14:05] <mterry> Cimi, but did you try changing test.sh's use of XDG_DATA_DIRS?
[14:06] <Cimi> mterry, lp:~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard.wifi
[14:06] <mzanetti> Saviq: ah ok. makes sense.
[14:06] <Cimi> mterry, I *removed the file from /usr/share
[14:06] <mzanetti> Saviq: I just didn't know where you were going with this
[14:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, k
[14:06] <mzanetti> and didn't see much point in adding useless checks
[14:07] <mterry> Cimi, add some debugging comments to PageList then
[14:07] <Cimi> ok
[14:07] <mterry> kgunn, nope, doesn't need merge from trunk.  let me ask boiko
[14:07] <Saviq> kgunn, was looking at those failures, but does mterry's code actually touch any of that?
[14:07] <mterry> Saviq, no, not my code.  But I think telphony-service expects some unreleased library update
[14:07] <kgunn> yep, probably mock version update or some such
[14:08] <Saviq> mterry, right
[14:08] <mterry> boiko, what does telephony-service trunk need to build correctly?  we're seeing a failure: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/170202092/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-armhf.telephony-service_0.1%2B14.04.20140321-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:08] <boiko> mterry: it needs the silo landing-009 merged :)
[14:09] <Saviq> boiko, is there any one MP we could get?
[14:09] <Cimi> mterry, can we do something quicker than this debuild?
[14:09] <mterry> boiko, OK.  (we're trying to stage a silo for the greeter that happens to include my telephony branches)
[14:10] <mterry> Cimi, yeah.  If qml changes, you can manually copy files to debian/tmp.  If build changes, you can do something like my quick and dirty rebuild command: rm -f debian/*.debhelper.log; dh_autoreconf_clean; DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt nocheck" debuild --no-tgz-check -i -I -us -uc -nc
[14:10] <Saviq> or we can just take all of them...
[14:11] <boiko> mterry: your changes are already in landing-009
[14:11] <Cimi> mterry, cool will try next time
[14:11] <mterry> boiko, I know.  But I wanted one giant PPA for testing.  I'll remove the telephony stuff from my silo when yours lands
[14:12] <boiko> mterry: ah ok, well, if it is only for testing, I can cook a quick patch for you, just don't merge it as it is going to cause conflicts in the existing MRs :)
[14:13] <mterry> kgunn, is it easier to grab boiko's whole silo or use a quick patch?
[14:13] <kgunn> boiko: mterry quick patch...
[14:14] <kgunn> then we can just target a force rebuild of the telephony pkg
[14:14] <boiko> kgunn: mterry: just give me a minute then
[14:14] <kgunn> actually...whatever boiko says is the least risky/easiest :)
[14:15] <boiko> kgunn: I guess if the changes are not related to the telephony apps, I think the easiest is to just patch telephony-service
[14:17] <boiko> kgunn: mterry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7130791/
[14:18] <mterry> boiko, kgunn: I will make an MP out of that
[14:21] <kgunn> mterry: cool, rebooting in the meantime
[14:25] <Saviq> mterry, make it WiP/Rejected straight away, Train doesn't care
[14:26] <mterry> kgunn, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/telephony-service/quick-fix-dont-merge/+merge/212166
[14:26] <mterry> Saviq, yup
[14:27] <kgunn> mterry: ack
[14:35] <mterry> boiko, thanks btw  :)
[14:37] <Saviq> anyone else's mumble disconnected?
[14:40] <boiko> mterry: no problems
[14:51] <kgunn> Saviq: so you're definitely right that technically the 0.1.8 bump isn't needed, however we started doing that ages ago as a means to trigger a rebuild...which i'm sure there's another way...what would you recommend? change to deb changelog ?
[14:52] <Saviq> kgunn, no-change rebuild
[14:52] <Saviq> kgunn, so just an empty MP
[14:52] <Saviq> kgunn, and the correct order of building things in a silo
[14:52] <Saviq> kgunn, empty as in bzr commit --unchanged
[14:53] <Saviq> kgunn, normally you bump debian/changelog, but the silos are doing it for you
[14:53] <kgunn> Saviq: i knew you could empty bzr commit, didnt realize lp would let me empty mp
[14:54] <Saviq> kgunn, well, it's empty in terms of diff, but there's still a commit to be added,
[14:56] <kgunn> .....just wonder if there was some other weird reason....i need to ask didrocks...surely he knew we could empty mp
[14:58] <Saviq> kgunn, the only thing it gets you is it forces the order of things
[14:58] <Saviq> kgunn, i.e. if you built unity-mir with mir at the same time to the silo, without the dep change, it would build against the distro version
[15:03] <kgunn> Saviq: i agree with you in principal...and willing to start using that method (just a nagging thot there was some other didrocks-voodoo reason)
[15:03] <Saviq> kgunn, sure, maybe he'll prove me wrong
[15:04] <Saviq> kgunn, but that's generally what was happening in distro pre-train, people would just bump the changelog and upload for rebuild
[15:56] <roadmr> hello unity folks! is there a laptop-friendly alternative to the ctrl+alt+numpad window arranging shortcuts? most under-15" laptops have no usable keypad
[16:02] <dpm> pstolowski, mhr3, while generating the documentation for the new scopes API on d.u.c I came across two sets of docs. Could you tell me whether both are up-to-date and why there are two sets?
[16:02] <dpm> They're http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/cplusplus/libunity-scopes/
[16:02] <dpm> and http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/cplusplus/unity-scopes/
[16:02] <Saviq> roadmr, you usually can use the Fn key to use the numpad keys
[16:03] <mhr3> dpm, latter is more up-to-date
[16:03] <roadmr> Saviq: not on this laptop :( hence my asking
[16:03] <dpm> mhr3, thanks. Do you happen to know where  the first set comes from?
[16:03] <Saviq> roadmr, so the shortcut would be Ctrl+Alt+Fn+key, so not great
[16:03] <Saviq> roadmr, you'll have to remap in cssm
[16:03] <Saviq> ccsm
[16:03] <mhr3> dpm, mhall119 used to upload that one for us
[16:04] <dpm> mhall119, did you do the upload of http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/cplusplus/libunity-scopes/ manually, or did you get it pulled by the publisher script?
[16:06] <roadmr> Saviq: oh so it can be remapped with ccsm? I'll have a look at that... thanks
[16:06] <roadmr> Saviq: somehting like Super+(w,a,s,d) or some such would fit me, not sure if Unity will love that, but at least thanks to you I know where to look now :)
[16:07] <mhall119> dpm: manually
[16:08] <dpm> mhall119, ok, in that case I'll remove those, as the newer ones are now pulled automatically from the unity PPA
[16:09] <dpm> done
[16:11] <mhr3> dpm, just pull them from distro
[16:12] <mhr3> dpm, the ppa isn't regularly updated
[16:13] <dpm> mhr3, ok, I can do that now
[16:17] <Saviq> roadmr, some of those (Super+s) are already mapped
[16:17] <roadmr> Saviq: yes, that's what I'm finding :/
[16:17] <Saviq> roadmr, and there's actually all ten keys used
[16:17] <Saviq> roadmr, from the numpad
[16:17] <Saviq> roadmr, for edges (4), corners (4), maximized and minimized
[16:18] <roadmr> Saviq: well I'll find some combinations that work... because this thing really has no overlaid keypad so I was left with no alternative
[16:18] <Saviq> roadmr, understood
[16:18] <roadmr> Saviq: thanks anyway, I had no idea ccsm could set those shortcuts
[16:20] <dpm> mhr3, mhall119, ok, now http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/cplusplus/unity-scopes/ is updated daily from the archive
[16:20] <mhr3> dpm, cool, thx
[16:21] <mhall119> thanks dpm
[16:35] <elopio> Saviq: should this bug be critical in qtdeclarative-opensource-src ?
[16:36] <Saviq> elopio, yeah, I can't make it so, please do
[17:24] <mhr3> Saviq, still here?
[17:28] <Saviq> mhr3, on my way out, wassup?
[17:28] <mhr3> Saviq, meh, can wait.. enjoy weekend!
[17:28] <Saviq> mhr3, you too
[18:15] <kgunn> mterry: boiko so 1 unit test failed only on arm build...do we just need to disable (re telephony-service build for split greeter test pkgs)
[18:16] <boiko> kgunn: as it is for test purposes only, just disable it, if tests are failing they will be fixed in the correct branches
[18:17] <mterry> kgunn, if I update a branch, I assume the silo/ppa automatically rebuilds?  like a recipe kind of thing
[18:17] <mterry> unrelated to your question :)
[18:17] <kgunn> mterry: yeah, you can disable on your mp....tell me when, then i don ape suit and hit a button
[18:18] <mterry> kgunn, OK
[18:18] <kgunn> oh... mterry if unrelated....not really automatic...whoever is the lander would need to know
[18:18] <kgunn> silo doesn't check for mp updates
[18:18] <mterry> kgunn, OK, hmm.  I have some small updates coming in every now and then
[18:18] <mterry> kgunn, like today I'll probably change how the boot spinner looks based on design feedback
[18:19] <kgunn> mterry: its fine...i really do not mind
[18:20] <kgunn> i am glad we're doing this now
[18:20] <kgunn> this is all the wasted time on silo dancing
[18:20] <kgunn> needed
[18:20] <mterry> kgunn, anyway, my dumb telephony branch is update to not run tests
[18:20] <kgunn> to get the pkgs  correct
[18:20] <kgunn> mterry: ok...
[18:20]  * kgunn dons ape suit
[18:20] <mterry> kgunn, yeah.  Everything split greeter touches takes longer than I would expect.  Like a midas touch
[18:21] <mterry> Or, I guess that's a common complaint these days  :)
[18:21] <mterry> Maybe not unique to split greeter
[18:21] <kgunn> mterry: yeah...its the dorky little things
[18:21] <kgunn> like no arm integ test support in silo
[18:21] <kgunn> and native package no likie
[18:25] <kgunn> mterry: and you know split greeter is one of my favorite things we're doind
[18:25] <kgunn> or doing even
[18:25] <kgunn> really can't wait till we land it
[18:25] <mterry> kgunn, it's a lot of work for zero visual differences  :)  (although it is bundled with a boot animation)
[18:26] <mterry> kgunn, but yeah it definitely enables future features much better than our current code
[18:27] <mterry> kgunn, it just feels a little hard to get excited about it sometimes  ;)
[18:27] <kgunn> mterry: guess i think its cool cause i'm a middleware guy at heart...which probably makes me a weirdo
[18:27] <mterry> kgunn, fair enough  :)
[19:05] <kgunn> ....drum roll please
[19:05] <kgunn> mterry: ...you finally have....packages
[19:05] <kgunn> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-004/+packages
[19:05]  * mterry fist pumps
[19:06] <kgunn> let me know if you need anything kicked again...
[19:06] <mterry> kgunn, are those various ftbfs expected?
[19:06] <kgunn> mterry: yeah those arm64, ppc etc
[19:06] <kgunn> those are archs they're trying to enable
[19:06] <kgunn> so yeah
[19:07] <mterry> k
[19:07] <kgunn> as long as you got all the armhf's you're good
[19:07] <mterry> kgunn, will  want a rekick for usc in a bit.  but not yet.  Thanks so much!
[19:07] <kgunn> glad to help
[19:08] <mterry> kgunn, will have to test this PPA in total this weekend then send out an email for wider testing
[19:08]  * kgunn keeps ape suit handy
[19:08]  * davmor2 points kgunn to http://instantrimshot.com/?sound=drumroll
[19:08] <mterry> heh
[19:15] <mterry> kgunn, if you can add lp:~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1294832-phone-
[19:15] <mterry> greeter-using-wrong-menu to the silo, that would be swell
[19:15]  * mterry hugs charles
[19:15] <charles> :-)
[19:16] <charles> kgunn, oh are you doing an indicator-datetime release?
[19:16] <kgunn> charles: we're only testing
[19:21] <mterry> charles, if you folks already have an indicator silo going, please do your own thing.  We just have a silo going to pull all the greeter-related stuff together for a testing ppa
[19:22] <charles> mterry, sounds good
[19:29] <kgunn> mterry: what all do you want to rebuild now ?
[19:29] <kgunn> indicator-datetime
[19:29] <kgunn> ...usc ?
[19:30] <mterry> kgunn, usc in a sec.  Give me another testing pass on my changes
[19:30] <mterry> one moment
[19:30] <kgunn> ...i'll wait
[19:30] <kgunn> Y
[19:30] <kgunn> oops...
[19:34]  * mterry hates Starbucks wifi
[19:39] <mterry> kgunn, OK.  Please add that indicator-datetime branch, and re-kick usc and ubuntu-touch-session.  Thanks!
[19:39] <mterry> kgunn, this will give us prettier boot
[19:39] <mterry> (less dramatic animation than the aubergine)
[19:41] <seb128> mterry, do you like their coffee at least? ;-)
[19:41] <mterry> seb128, occasionally.  I usually have hot chocolate.  :)
[19:41] <mterry> seb128, though their baked goods are tasty!  :)
[19:41] <seb128> that's true!
[20:39] <mterry> kgunn, I noticed the silo doesn't have lightdm trunk
[20:39] <mterry> kgunn, it'll need that too
[20:39] <mterry> did I make a fake MP for that/
[20:39] <mterry> ?
[20:39] <mterry> kgunn, yeah lp:~mterry/lightdm/fake-no-change-mp
[20:40] <kgunn> mterry: so you just need it rebuilt ?
[20:40] <mterry> kgunn, well, there are unreleased changes in lp:lightdm
[20:40] <mterry> kgunn, so I have a no-change MP against it for silo purposes
[20:41] <kgunn> sure...
[20:41] <kgunn> mterry: anything else before i reconfigure ?
[20:42] <mterry> kgunn, not that I know about yet  :)  I'm testing the PPA now
[20:47] <mterry> kgunn, and the mir in that PPA has the racarr branch?
[20:48] <kgunn> mterry: yes
[20:48] <kgunn> why?
[20:48] <mterry> kgunn, humm..  I'm seeing the same symptoms that I expected that branch to fix.  Maybe there are more fixes necessary there
[20:48] <mterry> kgunn, (what happens is that Mir turns screen back on a few seconds after locking device)
[20:49] <kgunn> mterry: hmmmm
[20:49] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~robertcarr/mir/remove-ensure-display-powered/+merge/209734
[20:49] <mterry> kgunn, yeah that's what I though did the job
[20:49] <mterry> kgunn, I will poke him on #ubuntu-mir
[21:01] <mhall119> Saviq: around?
[21:01] <mhall119> though this is realy an mhr thing