[07:50] <eoli3n_> Hi
[07:51] <eoli3n_> xnox another strange and annoying thing: if i use make-user false, then "ubuntu" user isn't available on the live system
[07:52] <eoli3n_> i was thinking that i would be able to connect to root account with root password set in preseed file, but nop
[07:53] <eoli3n_> what's the key to set keymap from kernel parameter ?
[07:55] <tarzeau> https://mentors.debian.net/package/usermanager/ to the rescue! /me needs testers
[08:48] <eoli3n_> "what's the key to set keymap from kernel parameter ?" -> found
[08:58] <pitti> seb128: bonjour ! ça va ?
[08:59] <pitti> seb128: yes, I do plan to release a new dbusmock soon; I'm still waiting on the last finishing touches from Trevinho for https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/68
[08:59] <pitti> I suppose that can/should happen today
[09:58] <RikMills> jibel: fail with realloc(): invalid next size makes LP: #1920712 a duplicate of LP: #1920665 I guess. just a slightly different symptom?
[10:59] <xnox> eoli3n_:  please explain what is "make-user" and where did you find it?
[11:01] <xnox> eoli3n_:  in the live session, the user is created dynamically by casper and is not sourced from preseed. For ubuntu desktop it is "ubuntu", for live-server it is "ubuntu-server". There is cloud-init running on live-server which one can change ssh keys/password, with the caveat that by default the "installer" account is used.
[12:00] <doko> seb128: I'll do that, but likely only after Easter
[12:42] <seb128> doko, alright, thanks. Still it feels disruptive and late in the cycle and diverting efforts that should go on stabilizing the release, but at least if it's forwarded
[12:42] <seb128> pitti, hey! sorry, a bit of a busy day here. Thanks, I will nag Trevinho to get his changes ready ;-)
[12:45] <pitti> seb128: ça marche :)
[14:05] <teward> oSoMoN: around?  Got a question RE: the chromium stuff i know you work on :)
[14:14] <oSoMoN> teward, what is it?
[14:14] <teward> see PMs
[14:15] <teward> origin of the quesiton is my boss @ FT Job
[14:15] <teward> because they audit the heck out of things >.>
[15:42] <bdmurray> dbungert: your comment in bug 1821412 makes me wonder if the fix in hirsute is good
[15:45] <dbungert> bdmurray: at worst I think it's harmless, but I'm sceptical that it helps.
[15:47] <bdmurray> dbungert: Testing it on hirsute it seems to work but you get 2 notifications.
[15:47] <bdmurray> dbungert: and they are pretty far apart in terms of time
[15:48] <dbungert> yes, I saw similar
[16:10] <xnox> Is it me, or others too.... instead of a hippo, i see lemur peaking from behind something. like a lemur from "madagascard escape 2 africa"
[17:15] <bdmurray> cjwatson: the branch related to bug 1820348 is merged but the bug is not 'fix released' is that an accurate reflection of the current state of the issue?
[17:22] <cjwatson> bdmurray: Should be fix committed (now done), but it's indeed not yet on production
[17:23] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I've put doing a release on my todo list
[17:25] <bdmurray> cjwatson: great, thank you!
[18:09] <pitti> Trevinho: thanks for your updates to https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/68 ! so, ready to go?
[18:09] <Trevinho> pitti: I just pushed more tests
[18:10] <Trevinho> pitti: was commenting in the PR... I think we're good
[18:11] <pitti> hah, cool!
[18:11] <Trevinho> pitti: on https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/68#discussion_r600717761 I've not added an extra check, but using a set internaly I think is fine, if the user is already auto-login shouldn't be a problem setting it again no?
[18:11] <pitti> Trevinho: right, I was missing that these were on the mock iface
[18:12] <Trevinho> pitti: good, I had already moved from a list to a set to avoid such issue and handling better the removal though, so... will just work
[18:12] <pitti> Trevinho: too bad that Debian and ubuntu devel are frozen now.. but I can upload it to D exp if it helps
[18:13] <pitti> or, just pip install :)
[18:13] <pitti> Trevinho: do you mind if I squash the commits? I really like having code changes and tests together
[18:13] <Trevinho> experimental is fine
[18:14] <Trevinho> pitti: I've repushed adding a further check of duble-setting an user as autologin
[18:15] <Trevinho> pitti: btw.... squashing, as you prefer, I tend to do things atomically at times while in other cases I mix with tests so as you prefer
[18:15] <pitti> Trevinho: ok, no rush -- I can do the landing and release tomorrow morning if you still want to work on it
[18:15] <Trevinho> pitti: no I'm done, I had a break with it and now I go to go back to mutter and gjs.... so ok :)
[18:15] <pitti> Trevinho: (your last force-push was empty, btw)
[18:15] <Trevinho> if ci passess... :D
[18:16] <Trevinho> pitti: ohhh now is there
[18:16] <pitti> :)
[18:19] <Trevinho> pitti: on the installing accountsservice to test it, let me know if you want me to make CI to install it from git, but I think we can just wait for next release...
[18:20] <Trevinho> pitti: or we could parse on python-side `jhbuild run pkg-config --modversion accountsservice` (requires the devel pkg thogh) to see when to skip it automatically...
[18:20] <pitti> Trevinho: right, I think I'll enable it once it's available in some distro
[18:21] <pitti> Trevinho: for now this is "dead code" (not tested == broken), but I trust you on having tested it agaist master
[18:22] <Trevinho> pitti: well very similar tests (and more pass upstream) https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/accountsservice/accountsservice/-/commits/master/ :)
[18:22] <Trevinho> check the CI link for details
[18:22] <eoli3n_> xnox if i set "passwd passwd/make-user boolean false" in the preseed file, i can't login with "ubuntu" user in tty2
[18:22] <Trevinho> I'll have to resync a bit things there after this merges and is released but good enough
[18:23] <eoli3n_> as strange as it seem to be
[18:33] <dbungert> eoli3n_: I'm not 100% certain on your use case, but the preseed 'd-i passwd/' values might be what you want
[18:39] <pitti> Trevinho: voilà: https://pypi.org/project/python-dbusmock/
[18:39] <pitti> seb128: ^
[18:40] <Trevinho> pitti: lovely, thanks
[18:40] <pitti> I'll do the D exp upload tomorrow morning if you don't mind
[18:48] <eoli3n_> dbungert that's the same
[18:49] <eoli3n_> it seems that you can prefix with anything
[18:49] <eoli3n_> whatever passwd/ works too
[18:50] <eoli3n_> need to test
[19:13] <seb128> pitti, Trevinho, thanks!
[20:08] <tomreyn> Err:29 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic Release.gpg
[20:08] <tomreyn>   The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG C8CAB6595FDFF622 Ubuntu Debug Symbol Archive Automatic Signing Key (2016<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:08] <tomreyn> ^ known problem?
[20:11] <rbasak> Known
[20:11] <tomreyn> 👍
[20:11]  * rbasak is looking for a reference
[20:12] <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyring/2<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:12] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyring/+bug/1920640
[20:14] <tomreyn> ah, so it's fixed in hirsute (only) so far.
[20:17] <rbasak> The ubuntu-keyring package only ships keyring files, so it'll probably be OK for developers to install the hirsute binary temporarily
[20:17] <rbasak> Oh there is a postinst
[20:18] <rbasak> So maybe do it cautiously :)
[20:19] <tomreyn> i suppose it wont rmrf
[20:20] <tomreyn> and yes, i should be able to work around, thanks.
[21:01] <mwhudson> gpg key expiry considered harmful
[22:36] <xnox> rbasak:  postinst is fairly innert on modern series.
[22:59] <rbasak> xnox: ack. I didn't look that deeply.


[10:00] <head_victim> Good evening all, Asia/Oceania Membership Board meeting just about due
[10:03] <head_victim> Good evening Destine
[10:04] <Destine> head_victim, hey, i logged in from two devices and that was a mess...
[10:05] <head_victim> No dramas, the first order of business it to make quorum :)
[10:05] <Guest80767> head_victim, hey, I am Destine II :)
[10:06] <head_victim> lifeless or elky about?
[10:06] <head_victim> I can't see any of the other members in the channel at the moment.
[10:07] <Destine> head_victim, me neither...
[10:07] <Destine> ejat?
[10:07] <head_victim> Actually lifeless = Rob so he advised on the mailing list he wouldn't be able to make tonight
[10:08] <Destine> head_victim, oh, he is Robert.
[10:08] <Destine> head_victim, then we need to look for the others.
[10:08] <head_victim> Yep, I just trawled launchpad :)
[10:08] <czajkowski> I can step in if yer stuck
[10:09] <head_victim> czajkowski: thank you :) I just also wanted to confirm applicants had shown before hassling others so are vibhav or bonepyaesone around here with different nicks?
[10:16] <head_victim> It's not looking good on either front, applicants or board members :
[10:17] <czajkowski> nope
[10:20] <head_victim> Destine & czajkowski thanks for showing but I think we'll have to call it. We're 20 minutes in and have neither applicants nor quorum. I'll write an email to the list as we can't keep going on like this.
[10:20] <head_victim> I was hoping the addition of extra members recently (myself included) was going to improve our ability to meet quorum.
[10:22] <Destine> head_victim, I guess so. Thank you for your work.
[10:23] <head_victim> Destine: thanks for showing up :)
[10:23] <czajkowski> head_victim: sorry
[10:24] <head_victim> czajkowski: don't be, at least this time no applicants were hindered
[11:21] <vibhav> Has the meeting ended?
[11:22] <head_victim> vibhav: yes sorry, it started at 1000UTC (about an hour and 20 minutes ago)
[11:22] <vibhav> head_victim: What were the outcomes
[11:22] <vibhav> I had gone for classe
[11:22] <vibhav> classes *
[11:22] <head_victim> None of the applicants were present so we had to postpone to next meeting.
[11:23] <vibhav> gah
[11:23] <head_victim> We don't usually like to make judements without applicants present.
[11:23] <vibhav> :(
[11:24] <vibhav> well thanks head_victim
[11:24] <vibhav> Is it important for the applicants to be present?
[11:24] <head_victim> vibhav: hopefully you can make the january 10th meeting :)
[11:25] <vibhav> head_victim: I dont think so , I can
[11:25] <vibhav> cannot*
[11:25] <head_victim> vibhav: I'm not sure to be honest, my suggestion is if you have problems attending the meetings due to timezone issues I'd email the membership board. Hang on I'll grab the address
[11:26] <vibhav> head_victim: Nice idea
[11:28] <czajkowski> vibhav: if you cant attend the A/O board you can attend another membership board
[11:28] <czajkowski> like Americas or EMEA
[11:29] <vibhav> czajkowski: But I am not in the respective geographical reigon
[11:29] <czajkowski> vibhav: that doesnt matter
[11:29] <czajkowski> vibhav: your wiki page should detail all your work done and the board members can make decisions based on that and talking to you
[11:29] <vibhav> czajkowski: Thanks!
[11:29] <czajkowski> np
[11:31] <vibhav> Is there any way for getting membership ?
[11:32] <vibhav> czajkowski : All the timings of the Meetings are colliding with my schedule :(
[11:33] <vibhav> czajkowski: including Americas and EMEA
[11:33] <czajkowski> vibhav: you do have to attend one of them
[11:33] <vibhav> :9
[11:34] <vibhav> :(
[11:34] <vibhav> Cant do that
[11:34] <czajkowski> maybe in another month or so you could arrange to get 10-15 mins and attend one of them
[11:34] <vibhav> For the americas meeting , I can be available for 5 mins or so
[11:35] <czajkowski> it takes a bit longer. it's up to you vibhav
[11:35] <vibhav> Maybe I should contact the membership board
[15:59] <smoser> the honorable utlemming will be presiding.
[16:00] <hallyn_> three cheers
[16:00]  * Ursinha waves
[16:01] <zul> oh...hello
[16:03] <utlemming> honorable? how about Distinguished?
[16:03] <zul> how about awesome-x
[16:03] <zul> how about awesome-o even
[16:03] <smoser> its your meeting. whatever you want.
[16:03] <utlemming> lol
[16:04] <rbasak> awesome-p, surely?
[16:04] <hallyn_> but let's get this show on the ROAD
[16:04] <utlemming> okay, lets get rolling then
[16:04] <utlemming> #startmeeting Ubuntu Server Team Meeting
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[16:05] <utlemming> #TOPIC Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:05] <utlemming> Reviewing items from last week...
[16:05] <utlemming> and it doesn't look like there are any
[16:06] <utlemming> does anyone have any follow up on last weeks discussion items?
[16:06] <utlemming> okay then
[16:06] <utlemming> #topic Precise Development
[16:06] <utlemming> I believe that we are sans Daviey today
[16:07] <zul> improvise! improvise!
[16:07] <hallyn_> ok, zul - take charge
[16:07] <zul> not me
[16:07] <utlemming> zul, bug 883988?
[16:07] <zul> still need to be looked at
[16:07] <SpamapS> o/
[16:07] <jamespage> o/
[16:08] <utlemming> bug 893926
[16:08] <utlemming> still doesn't have an owner....any takers?
[16:09] <utlemming> no?
[16:09] <SpamapS> lol .. draw straws
[16:09] <utlemming> and SpamapS drew the shortest one!
[16:10] <utlemming> fancy that
[16:10] <SpamapS> I think we probably should try to sync with Debian at this point
[16:10] <utlemming> lets leave this for an action then
[16:11] <utlemming> bug 855030
[16:11] <utlemming> zul, it looks like its fixed released?
[16:12] <zul> utlemming: yeah
[16:12] <zul> the fix landed in percise
[16:12] <smoser> percise, yo
[16:12] <utlemming> hallyn: how is bug 881903 moving along?
[16:12] <hallyn_> bot?
[16:12] <hallyn_> utlemming: it's not
[16:13] <hallyn_> we're waiting on lxc upstream release
[16:13] <utlemming> k
[16:13] <hallyn_> and that is lower prio than the container reboot stuff, which is holding him up
[16:13] <hallyn_> so i don't care to push :)
[16:13] <utlemming> fair enough
[16:13] <utlemming> (if anyone can't tell, I'm working down last weeks meeting notes)
[16:14] <hallyn_> good idea :)
[16:14] <utlemming> jamespage: how is bug 888124 looking?
[16:14] <jamespage> oh - fixable; its part of a larger piece of work to transition default-java from 6->7
[16:15] <jamespage> I should prob fix it so it comes off the list
[16:15] <SpamapS> jamespage: is there a transition tracker for that, or does it just require rebuilds for rebuild sake?
[16:16] <jamespage> SpamapS, well it does not really need one per say
[16:16] <jamespage> as stuff thats already in the archive will continue to work
[16:16] <jamespage> as Java is bytecode backwards compatibile - but not source
[16:16] <SpamapS> right, but rebuilding so we know it will not FTBFS
[16:16] <jamespage> SpamapS, thats the one
[16:17] <jamespage> java7-ftbfs tag in lp will tell you what it broken
[16:17] <utlemming> it looks like we never found an adopter for bug 607039
[16:17] <utlemming> any takers this week?
[16:18] <smb> err
[16:18] <smb> Well wanted to try to supply a debdiff but got distracted
[16:19] <smb> I'd propose to have an alias defined in /etc/modprobe.d
[16:19] <smb> ..
[16:20] <hallyn_> smb: i like the idea of goin gthrough debian,
[16:20] <hallyn_> question is just whether the submitter needs a faster fix.  but i assume they can just fix it locally with a modprobe alias?
[16:20] <hallyn_> you've tested that?
[16:21] <smb> hallyn_, either that or just replace fstype nfs4 (which is deprecated anyway) by nfs
[16:21] <smb> hallyn_, in small scale tested both
[16:21] <smb> But apparently the reporters lost interest...
[16:21] <hallyn_> in auto.mnt.  sounds good
[16:22] <hallyn_> well,
[16:22] <hallyn_> if they lost interest, let's go through debian, i say...
[16:22] <hallyn_> (fwiw)
[16:22] <utlemming> RoAkSoAx: there was a bit of discussion last week with around bug 887186
[16:22] <smb> hallyn_, Agreed. Guess I need to file a bug with fix there then
[16:22] <hallyn_> i'd like to think they lost interest bc the s/nfs4/nfs/ fix worked for them locally :)
[16:23] <smb> hallyn_, My guess too :)
[16:23] <hallyn_> ok - i'm not 100% clear how you'd do the debdiff, do you mind doing it?
[16:23] <smb> hallyn_, I would not mind. Can take a bit of time though
[16:23] <smb> my only working day this year is Thursday. :-P
[16:24] <utlemming> adam_g:  bug 862558
[16:25] <utlemming> no adam_g?
[16:25] <utlemming> back to zul then: bug 871278
[16:26] <zul> utlemming: working on that now
[16:26] <zul> or trying to
[16:26] <hallyn_> ouch
[16:26] <SpamapS> utlemming: cobbler-enlist is undergoing quite a few revisions, so that bug may become moot in the near future.
[16:26] <utlemming> okay, good to know
[16:27] <utlemming> koolhead: how is bug 890362 moving along?
[16:27] <smoser> i thought adam_g had a merge proposal for tath
[16:27] <zul> it got merged and uploaded
[16:28] <smoser> yeah... but the nova task is still open
[16:28] <smoser> apparently, "should glance user's shell be /bin/false" also affects nova
[16:28] <smoser> i'm assuming someone thinks' nova's shell should be /bin/false also
[16:29] <utlemming> utlemming: bug 891433
[16:29] <utlemming> I need to put in the merge proposal, but otherwise its fixed
[16:31] <utlemming> RoAkSoAx: bug 898840
[16:32] <utlemming> okay
[16:33] <utlemming> finally...I think we're through the list
[16:33] <utlemming> does anyone else have Precise Development topics?
[16:33] <utlemming> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:33] <utlemming> any topics here?
[16:33] <SpamapS> SCALE10X
[16:34] <SpamapS> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/
[16:34] <SpamapS> Jorge Castro and I will be presenting, and there will be a Juju Charm School on Friday!
[16:34] <SpamapS> ALso there is a CFP for Velocity out
[16:35] <utlemming> Moving on then...
[16:35] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:35] <utlemming> hggdh, ?
[16:36] <SpamapS> Last bit, get your talks submitted: http://velocityconf.com/velocity2012
[16:36] <utlemming> no hggdh...so well move on then
[16:36] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:36] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:36]  * hggdh is here
[16:37] <smb> The fix for the thing that required idle=halt on ec2 has been fixed upstream and in latest precise.
[16:37] <smb> Im currently trying to bisect bug 901305
[16:37] <smb> Unfortunately I ended up on something unreasonable on first run
[16:37] <smb> Not sure I did something wrong or what happened. So I go again
[16:37] <smb> ..
[16:38] <smoser> smb, the other thing on your list is the atop bug.
[16:39] <smoser> which seems fairly iportant for 11.10 even though its fix-released in precise already.
[16:39] <smb> smoser, right. That one seems only to happen on ec2
[16:39] <smoser> oh...
[16:39] <smb> Not in my test system
[16:39] <smoser> are you convinced that it is fix-released in precise ?
[16:39] <smoser> or was i just lucky
[16:39] <smb> Thats why I asked whether people know which xen version that instance got
[16:40] <smb> So when trying first grep for dmseg|grep Xen and note the Xen version
[16:40] <smoser> right.
[16:40] <smoser> well.. i'll launch a bunch of instances later and see what i find.
[16:40] <smb> smoser, Thanks a lot
[16:41] <utlemming> smb: anything else?
[16:41] <smb> not from here..
[16:41] <utlemming> okay, hggdh, back to you
[16:41] <utlemming> hggdh, do you have anything for us?
[16:41] <hggdh> utlemming: just some questions:
[16:42] <hggdh> (1) is cloud-init on Lucid expected to work with Cobbler on Oneiric? If so, we have a bug
[16:42] <hggdh> (2) are you all good on the QA resources?
[16:43] <smoser> cobbler will not work with version of cloud-init in lucid.
[16:43] <hggdh> smoser: ah, thank you. So we need to adjust the cobbler setup on the Lab
[16:44] <smoser> as cobbler uses /var/lib/cloud/nocloud/seed which i think only exists in at earliest maverick.
[16:44] <smoser> but the cloud-init stufff is only used for juju i think.
[16:44] <smoser> right?
[16:45] <hggdh> I think it is needed for cobbler commands, like reboot, is it not?
[16:45] <SpamapS> no
[16:45] <smoser> not that i'm aware of
[16:45] <smoser> but i could be wrong
[16:45] <SpamapS> hggdh: it is only used in first-boot config stuff
[16:46] <smoser> i was not aware of anything that did power control other than "real power control" (ie, lights-out or ipmi or something)
[16:46] <hggdh> OK. will check more carefully. Right now I know I cannot reboot via cobbler on Lucid
[16:46] <hggdh> thank you
[16:46] <hggdh> ..
[16:47] <SpamapS> hggdh: cobbler doesn't have the ability to "reboot" stuff AFAIK, only to turn the power off/on.
[16:48] <utlemming> anything else here?
[16:48] <hggdh> SpamapS: heh. RTFM seems to be needed for me, then. I based myself on the cobbler URL
[16:48] <hggdh> nope, I am done
[16:48] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)
[16:48] <utlemming> NCommander, ?
[16:49] <NCommander> Not much to say
[16:49] <NCommander> Mostly waiting on hardware (not sure how much I can sya behond that)
[16:49] <SpamapS> armhf seems to be moving along nicely
[16:49] <NCommander> armhf bootstrap is proceeding nicely
[16:49] <NCommander> bah, ninja'ed
[16:49] <SpamapS> JINX
[16:49] <utlemming> Okay then...
[16:49] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:49] <NCommander> fortunately, that only applies to speaking, not typing ;-)
[16:49] <NCommander> anyway, done
[16:50] <utlemming> Anyone have anything from or for our fine community of users?
[16:50] <utlemming> I will take that as a no...
[16:50] <utlemming> #topic Open Discussion
[16:50] <utlemming> Any open discussion topics?
[16:51] <Ursinha> Santa is coming
[16:51] <SpamapS> I think we should eliminate the "Community" topic. It implies that there are people here at the meeting who are not in the community.
[16:51] <m_3> SpamapS: +1
[16:51] <utlemming> +1
[16:52] <smoser> i'm not in the community
[16:52] <hallyn_> you ARE the community
[16:52] <smoser> ignore me.
[16:52] <SpamapS> We can table it until January though, since we are already missing quite a few who may have strong opinions on that.
[16:52] <SpamapS> But it just ocurred to me.
[16:52] <utlemming> #action invite smoser into the community
[16:52] <meetingology> ACTION: invite smoser into the community
[16:52] <SpamapS> NICE
[16:52] <Ursinha> lol
[16:52] <SpamapS> Another thing that I noticed.. meeting minutes not going out... ???
[16:52] <smoser> i did not send them out.
[16:52] <smoser> :-(
[16:52] <smoser> fail.
[16:53] <smoser> i can do that. i just didn't get to it.
[16:53] <smoser> they are supposed to
[16:53] <SpamapS> The bot like, generates them automatically.. so is there any reason they're not going out to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-server ?
[16:53] <smoser> where does it generate them to ?
[16:54]  * rbasak wonders if adam_g and RoAkSoAx are DST-induced laggards
[16:54] <SpamapS> smoser: meetingology help page explains it
[16:54] <SpamapS> rbasak: adam_g most likely yes.. RoAkSoAx is in EDT , so he has no excuse. ;)
[16:55] <utlemming> isn't adam_g in Oregon?
[16:55] <utlemming> okay, lets call this
[16:55] <SpamapS> yes
[16:55] <utlemming> #Announce next meeting date and time
[16:55] <smoser> fwiw, i'm not seeing in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology where minutes are kept.
[16:56] <rbasak> Speaking of DST, Google Calendar doesn't seem to support UTC times for meetings - but it's been pointed out to me that if you specify Reykjavik then meetings will be pegged to UTC
[16:56] <smoser> and if they *are* kept somewhere, then personally, i dont see a lot of reason to manually email them to some mailing lists.
[16:56] <robbiew> rbasak: huh?
[16:56] <robbiew> yes it does...you just have to have UTC as your default TZ
[16:56] <SpamapS> smoser: #endmeeting sends you the link, IIRC
[16:56] <hallyn_> smoser: I'd like to do either m-l or blog, not both
[16:57] <SpamapS> hallyn_: there's a script that does it automatically
[16:57] <hallyn_> so everyone says
[16:58] <SpamapS> lp:~clint-fewbar/+junk/ubuntuserver-minutes/
[16:58] <SpamapS> Used to be mentioned in the "how to write the minutes" page in the serverteam KB
[16:59] <hallyn_> SpamapS: I'll try it next week, thx
[16:59] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/+junk/ubuntuserver-minutes/
[16:59] <SpamapS> utlemming: endmeeting?
[16:59] <utlemming> Tuesday 2011-12-20 at 1600 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:59] <utlemming> #endmeeting
[16:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 16:59:38 2011 UTC.
[16:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-13-16.04.moin.txt
[16:59] <smoser> that is documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <smb> \o
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <bjf> sigh
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 13 17:00:36 2011 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[17:00] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> P/omap4: a new kernel (3.2.0-1402.2) based off 3.2 (Ubuntu-3.2.0-3.9) has been released, while a new TI BSP + 3.2-rc5 is in the pipe.
[17:01] <ppisati> SRU kernels: nothing to report.
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Just adding link this week, instead of posting all data.
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-kernel-team-precise-alpha-2.html
[17:01] <ogasawara> || apw        || hardware-p-kernel-boot                || 1 work item  ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 4 work items ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 4 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||            || foundations-p-ipv6                    || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || cking      || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || jsalisbury || other-p-bug-workflows                 || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara  || hardware-p-kernel-version-and-flavors || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 21 work items||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || tgardner   || hardware-p-kernel-version-and-flavors || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> If your name is in the above table, please review your Alpha-2 work items.  Note that Alpha-2 is Thurs Feb 2.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Blueprint: hardware-p-kernel-power-management (cking)
[17:02] <cking> Power Management:
[17:02] <cking>  * Re-run power.d readahead and journal-commit tests on non-idle
[17:02] <cking>    user application scenerios.
[17:02] <cking>  * Measure mouse power consumption, different rates + devices:
[17:02] <cking>       http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/mouse-movement
[17:02] <cking>  * Complete PowerTop good/bad results:
[17:02] <cking>       http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/powertop-good-bad-recommendations
[17:02] <cking>  * Measure backlight levels power traits:
[17:02] <cking>       http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/backlight-non-linearity
[17:02] <cking>  * More extensive 32 vs 64 bit power comparisons (in progress)
[17:02] <cking>  * Compare UEFI vs BIOS firmware (in progress)
[17:02] <cking>  * Complete pm-utils measurements:
[17:02] <cking>       http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/pm-utils-results
[17:02] <cking>  * Crowd-sourcing pm-utils extra tweaks, CALL FOR TESTING:
[17:02] <cking>       https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagementPMUtils
[17:02] <cking> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Precise Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> We have uploaded the 3.2.0-4.10 Ubuntu kernel which is based on latest upstream v3.2-rc5 kernel.  Additionally, after yesterday's Tech Board discussion around the i386 non-pae flavor, it was decided to continue carrying this flavor for 12.04 and then drop it in 12.10.  The installer will also be switched to default to the pae flavor for i386.
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important Upcoming Dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Feb 2 - Alpha 2 (~7 weeks)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:04] <apw> CVE-2010-4251 CVE-2010-4805 CVE-2011-1082 CVE-2011-1083: epoll DOS --  fix incomplete, referred back to Security for review
[17:04] <apw> CVE-2011-1747: agp ioctl memory DOS -- no upstream fix as yet
[17:04] <apw> CVE-2011-3347: be2net non-member vlan DOS -- cannot identify upstream fix
[17:04] <apw> CVE-2011-3638: ext4 extent split -- upstream fix identified, pending application
[17:04] <apw> CVE-2011-4112: pktgen bridge panic -- redhat is withdrawing the CVE
[17:04] <apw> CVE-2011-4131: nfs4 ACL oops -- fix is still iterating upstream, pending
[17:04] <apw> CVE-2011-4347: kvm kvm_vm_ioctl_assign_device crashes -- no upsteam fix as yet
[17:04] <apw>
[17:04] <apw> [17:04] <apw>
[17:04] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:04] <apw>
[17:04] <apw> Currently open CVEs for each supported branch:
[17:04] <apw>
[17:04] <apw> || Package                                  || Open      ||
[17:04] <apw> ||                                          ||           ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux Hardy                              ||   10 (-1) ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux Lucid                              ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux Maverick                           ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux Natty                              ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux Oneiric                            ||    5      ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux Precise                            ||    5      ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux-ec2 Lucid                          ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid                    ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Lucid                     ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:04] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Maverick                  ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Maverick                  ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Natty                     ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric                   ||    5      ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Precise                   ||    5      ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid        ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid           ||    7 (-1) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-oneiric Lucid         ||    5      ||
[17:05] <apw>
[17:05] <apw> We only have one open CVE with an upstream fix currently.  The remainder await fixes from upstream.
[17:05] <apw>
[17:05] <apw> ..
[17:05] <apw> (bah, will drop the CVE- prefix for future updates.) ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Oneiric/Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton)
[17:05] <bjf> Many of the kernels in -proposed were quickly verified and went into
[17:05] <bjf> regression testing early. This week is mostly about finishing up the
[17:05] <bjf> stragglers. A new Oneiric has been prep'd and uploaded. We'll just have
[17:05] <bjf> to see if we can get it verified and regression tested before the
[17:06] <bjf> dead week of Christmas.
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf> Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (13/12):
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>  * Hardy - 2.6.24-30.97
[17:06] <bjf>   * On holiday
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>  * Lucid - 2.6.32-36.79
[17:06] <bjf>   * Regression testing in progress.
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>  * Maverick - 2.6.35-31.63
[17:06] <bjf>   * On holiday
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>  * Natty - 2.6.38-13.53
[17:06] <bjf>   * Regression testing in progress.
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>  * Oneiric - 3.0.0-14.23
[17:06] <bjf>   * Prep'd and trying to reach -proposed
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:06] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:06] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:06] <bjf>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseInterlock
[17:06] <bjf> ..
[17:07] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification - Testing Pools (brendand)
[17:07] <brendand> hi
[17:07] <brendand> let me do this gradually
[17:07] <brendand> As part of the SRU workflow the hardware certification team tests the -proposed kernel on as many certified systems as possible.
[17:07] <brendand> As the number of certified systems for each release has grown, getting full coverage has become more and more difficult.
[17:07] <brendand> To allow us to reduce the number of systems tested we have devised a system of 'testing pools'.
[17:07] <brendand> This takes advantage of a system which stores details of the certified hardware including it constituent components to provide as broad a component coverage as possible.
[17:08] <brendand> Initially the system ensured that at least one instance of each piece of hardware (as identified by PCI Id's) was present in the testing pool.
[17:08] <brendand> This turned out not to fulfill the goal of the system since we still ended up with needing almost all the systems we had to provide full coverage (e.g. 165 systems certified for Natty gave a testing pool of 158)
[17:08] <brendand> We made a first effort at reducing the size of the pools by considering only components of particular categories to be 'important'. A list of these was sent to the kernel-team mailing list.
[17:08] <brendand> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AphFraZYTghddElqTHl3NmZsWXVDYkMxcE5zX3EtR0E&hl=en_US#gid=0
[17:09] <brendand> These give us testing pools of ~50 systems. However we are not happy yet with the coverage. We need feedback on which components need to be added in.
[17:09] <brendand> The criteria used should be: how likely is it that a bug could occur in just a subset of the components of this category? A good example is the category 'Display Controller/VGA Compatible Controller' which we do cover already. We know for a fact that bugs will be specific to particular makes of graphics card. Same for CPUs ('Processor' category)
[17:10] <brendand> We really need feedback on this
[17:10] <brendand> ...
[17:11] <jsalisbury> brendand, This will all be documented in the meeting minutes.  It would be good if you could also follow up with an email to the kernel-team mailing list.
[17:12] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:12] <ogasawara> brendand: Do you have a revised list which has all the possible components you want us to review to consider adding back in?  Also, what # are you looking for to satify coverage?
[17:12] <brendand> ogasawara - if you can access that link then all the ones marked 'x' are not considered at the moment
[17:13] <brendand> we have no fixed number to reach
[17:13] <tgardner> brendand, what is the max number of machines that you can cover ?
[17:14] <brendand> tgardner - it seems to be about 90, realistically speaking. something like that.
[17:14] <tgardner> ack
[17:14] <brendand> i would prefer for now to take each component category on it's own merits'
[17:15] <brendand> rather than considering how many extra systems it adds. we (the hwcert team) can worry about managing that
[17:15] <brendand> i had a question to pose, as a bit of a thought experiment
[17:16] <brendand> Could a bug affect only a subset of device of the category 'Bridge/PCI bridge'?
[17:16] <tgardner> brendand, likely, but its more likely to be BIOS specific
[17:17] <apw> if there is more than one different piece of h/w in any category it is possible to get different results from each
[17:17] <tgardner> however, we have way fewer problems with PCI bridges.
[17:17] <brendand> apw - yes, definitely *possible*.
[17:18] <brendand> actually the point of that question was to illustrate the line of thinking that needs to be taken to evaluate this list of component categories
[17:18] <brendand> between tgardner and apw that's the kind of critique of the list i'm looking for
[17:19] <brendand> thanks
[17:19] <jsalisbury> Any Open Discussion comments?
[17:19] <brendand> one last thing. i'm not sure is that link public. anyone who can't get access please let me know and i'll sort something out
[17:20] <jsalisbury> If no other comments, then going once
[17:20] <ogasawara> brendand: how do you want feedback, maybe a "feedback" column, and we'll add X's to categories we think should be added back?
[17:21] <brendand> ogasawara - i'm arranging for everyone to have edit rights and i'll add a feedback column
[17:22] <ogasawara> brendand: let us know when it's ready for editing.  I'm sure a few of us can just a quick pass off and tick the ones we want.
[17:22] <ogasawara> ..
[17:22] <jsalisbury> brendand, any other comments?
[17:23] <brendand> yeah, if any of the categories don't make sense to you, contact me about it
[17:23] <brendand> i'll send the link to the kernel-team list
[17:24] <jsalisbury> brendand, dot dot then ?
[17:24] <brendand> ..
[17:24] <jsalisbury> Any other open discussions or questions?
[17:25] <jsalisbury> Last call
[17:25] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 17:25:39 2011 UTC.
[17:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-13-17.00.moin.txt
[17:25] <cking> thanks jsalisbury
[17:25] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury
[17:25] <jsalisbury> Thanks, everyone
[23:54] <IAmNotThatGuy> 6 minutes


[10:40] <LeeJunFan> kalagaraz: you don't need --variant=buildd if you aren't going to compile from within the chroot.
[10:41] <zorglu_> LeeJunFan: personnaly i prefere to send them on the channel too, thus it educates the other people on the channel at the same time. thus they may learn stuff which may be usefull for them later
[10:41] <kalagaraz> I just want to install 32 bit stuff, so leave that off?
[10:41] <LeeJunFan> zorglu_: I agree
[10:41] <LeeJunFan> kalagaraz: yeah.
[10:41] <LeeJunFan> kalagaraz: if you need to you can always install a compiler later.
[10:41] <jacob_> W00T
[10:42] <zorglu_> LeeJunFan: cool
[10:44] <pierreth> hello, i am not able to play avi files
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> !codecs
[10:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:45] <LeeJunFan> pierreth: follow those ^^
[10:45] <pierreth> ubotu: yes, I know that
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yes, I know that - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <pierreth> But I think I have an error with w32
[10:46] <pierreth> I think I have an error with my install
[10:46] <pierreth> I will paste bin, can someone may a check
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> pierreth: yeah.
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, amd64?
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, past it
[10:48] <phreakysz> hi
[10:48] <pierreth> here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23918
[10:48] <red_> is anyone else having a problem with their notebook going into standby when the lid is closed
[10:48] <pierreth> no, I have a Pentium III
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> red_, thats a new feature...
[10:49] <Assassin5> someone remind me.... how do you change the desktop icon, text colour?
[10:49] <red_> ok, i know it works fine with ubuntu, but kubuntu im having a problem
[10:49] <red_> ill mess around with it and see what i can figure out
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, its already installed
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> red_, #ubuntu=1
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> #ubuntu+1
[10:50] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: But I cannot see my .avi files
[10:50] <phreakysz> im trying to use a new dsdt for my acer aspire 1692. Dl'ed a custom dsdt, made an initrd of it in /boot, and changed grub entry to use the new initrd. It hangs now on initializing the acpi module! ;(
[10:50] <frojnd> I have problem with extracting rar files: It says: the utility unrar is not in your PATH. Please install it or contact your system administrator. I've installed it and it says the same santacne. Can soemone help me with this one.
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> they know a lot more than i do
[10:50] <phreakysz> what did I do wrong?
[10:50] <Hawkwind> frojnd: How did you install it ?
[10:50] <frojnd> sudo apt-get install unrar-free
[10:51] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, what are you using to play the avis?
[10:51] <Hawkwind> frojnd: What command are you using to extract the files ?
[10:51] <frojnd> nothing
[10:51] <frojnd> I click it
[10:51] <frojnd> in konqueror
[10:51] <frojnd> and then ark opens
[10:51] <frojnd> and than this note..
[10:51] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: Kaffeine
[10:51] <Hawkwind> frojnd: In a terminal type:  which unrar
[10:51] <kalagaraz> sudo sed -i s/dapper/breezy/g /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list         Am I suppose to chose one of those (dapper or breezy) and delete other from that command?
[10:51] <Admiral_Chicago> try using vlc.
[10:51] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: I will pastebin the error
[10:52] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:52] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: OK I will try now
[10:52] <Kr4t05> I have a karamba running that's reporting 979/1012MB RAM usage...
[10:52] <frojnd> Hawkwind I typed which unrar
[10:52] <Kr4t05> Is that normal?
[10:52] <Hawkwind> frojnd: What was the output ?
[10:53] <fdoving> kalagaraz:  s/dapper/breezy/ will replace all instances of dapper with breezy.. is that what you want?
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: Maybe for windows vista.
[10:53] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: Funny, but that doesn't help.
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: that's a lot of RAM use, open a konsole and start top then hit M
[10:53] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: What else do you have running ?
[10:53] <frojnd> Hawkwind don't know :S when I typed nothing happened
[10:53] <dan___> hey
[10:53] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Remember, linux handles ram completely opposite of how Windows does
[10:53] <dan___> my taskbar dissapeared all of a sudden
[10:53] <Hawkwind> frojnd: sudo apt-get install unrar
[10:53] <dan___> how do i get it back
[10:53] <Hawkwind> frojnd: Try that
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> dan___, start kicker
[10:54] <tc_> alguien habla espaol
[10:54] <Hawkwind> dan___: You mean the bar at the bottom of the screen ?
[10:54] <fdoving> dan___: try alt+f2 and run ' dcop kicker kicker restart'
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> tc_, use this
[10:54] <dan___> yes
[10:54] <Hawkwind> dan___: If so, in a terminal type: kicker
[10:54] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Just Kopete and Konversation.
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> !es
[10:54] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:54] <kalagaraz> fdoving I'm trying to setup bootstrap or whatever to install 32 bit apps
[10:54] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: How long has your system been running since the last reboot ?
[10:54] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: I am installing
[10:54] <kalagaraz> I'm following guide, and I have no idea what these commands do :)
[10:54] <frojnd> Hawkwind: now works fine :) tnx
[10:54] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: Mem:   1036096k total,  1000356k used,    35740k free,     9148k buffers
[10:55] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, okay, i run vlc and read avis just fino
[10:55] <kalagaraz> I followed the guide up to apt-get install while in chroot and I get this:
[10:55] <kalagaraz> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[10:55] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: if you run top and hit M [capital]  then the application listed at the top is using the most ram.
[10:55] <dan___> yeah still not working
[10:55] <Admiral_Chicago> kalagaraz, use a different mirror
[10:55] <kalagaraz> how I do that?
[10:55] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: Xorg is at the top with 3.8%
[10:55] <kalagaraz> If guide doesn't say it, i'm lost :)
[10:55] <fdoving> kalagaraz: change breezy to dapper in sources.list 3.5.4 isn't buildt for breezy.
[10:55] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: You're running breezy ?
[10:56] <kalagaraz> i'm running dapper
[10:56] <octan> where can i find xwinwrap?
[10:56] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: Then listen to what fdoving just said please
[10:56] <dan___> that bar is still gone hawkwind
[10:56] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: it works with VLC
[10:56] <octan> !xwinwrap
[10:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xwinwrap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, good
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i like vlc a lot more than Kaffine
[10:56] <Hawkwind> dan___: killall kicker && kicker
[10:56] <kalagaraz> ugh crashed
[10:56] <Hawkwind> dan___: Type that into a terminal
[10:57] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: I think Kaffeine is too slow, could you check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23919
[10:57] <dan___> nope
[10:57] <kalagaraz> someone send me that bot command for how to do 32bit on 64
[10:57] <dan___> didnt work man
[10:57] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good afternoon
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> sure
[10:57] <kalagaraz> I don't remember link for guide
[10:57] <Hawkwind> dan___: Pastebin the output of: ps aux | grep kicker
[10:57] <fdoving> !chroot
[10:57] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[10:57] <Hawkwind> dan___: Put that into http://pastebin.ulteo.us and give me the resulting URL
[10:58] <kalagaraz> thanks
[10:58] <fdoving> the wiki is sooo slow.
[10:58] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, how are you starting it?
[10:58] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: run 'free' it will tell you what's free +/- buffers. It's probably just buffer using all your ram which is normal.
[10:58] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: What do you mean?
[10:58] <kalagaraz> anyways that guide tells me to do s/dapper/breezy/g  I guess thats why it's downloading breezy stuff
[10:58] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: How long has your system been running since the last reboot ?
[10:58] <Admiral_Chicago> this is konsole output right?
[10:59] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: By double click
[10:59] <kalagaraz> sudo sed -i s/dapper/breezy/g /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list #point apt-get to the right release
[10:59] <dan___> i got it to work
[10:59] <dan___> thanx
[10:59] <arcasa> OK well I'v borked up Kopete. Now I need to reinstall it. How?
[10:59] <fdoving> kalagaraz: that's if you run breezy. you don't so ignore it.
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, what is starting
[10:59] <Hawkwind> arcasa: How is it broken exactly ?
[10:59] <kalagaraz> ok how I undo it, cause I already did it :)
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> and when are you getting this output
[11:00] <arcasa> When I launch it, It freezes and remains black.
[11:00] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: Kaffeine
[11:00] <Hawkwind> arcasa: Try removing the config file
[11:00] <arcasa> Then I get something pop up and ask me to either keep it running or terminate it
[11:00] <arcasa> Where is the config file?
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, no idea
[11:00] <Hawkwind> arcasa: mv ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete-old  and then try starting kopete
[11:00] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: I will use VLC
[11:00] <Hawkwind> arcasa: Do that as normal user, *not* as sudo or su
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, i think vlc is better, but i have no idea about the paste bin
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> might be your engine
[11:01] <kalagaraz> ok I replaced breezy back with dapper
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> "xine: couldn't find demux" might be the key
[11:01] <kalagaraz> now I get this error
[11:01] <kalagaraz> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[11:01] <kalagaraz> when doing apt-get update
[11:01] <fdoving> kalagaraz: change the order of s/breezy/dapper/g and re-run the command.
[11:02] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: Import the key then
[11:02] <kalagaraz> what key?
[11:02] <fdoving> kalagaraz: read the kubuntu.org faq.
[11:02] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: I think I have a problem because my computer is too slow for what I want
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> kalagaraz, that was for pierreth
[11:02] <kalagaraz> I'm reading the guide, doesn't say anything about a key
[11:02] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv A506E6D4DD4D5088 && gpg --export --armor A506E6D4DD4D5088 | sudo apt-key add -
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, maybe
[11:02] <Electrolyte> Wow, I can see why they got this new fglrx driver out early.
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> oh hahah, wrong key
[11:02] <Electrolyte> Given me a 75% frame increase in UT2004 :o
[11:02] <fdoving> kalagaraz: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[11:02] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: Pentium III 500MHz
[11:02] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: That's Riddell's key, which you'll want imported to keep from getting that warning
[11:03] <kalagaraz> I added that command and got
[11:03] <kalagaraz> gpg: fatal: can't create directory `/home/kalagaraz/.gnupg': No such file or directory
[11:03] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: There should have been more output
[11:03] <pierreth> Admiral_Chicago: thank you
[11:03] <arcasa> There was no config file.
[11:03] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: If you need to, mkdir ~/.gnupg
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> pierreth, okay good
[11:03] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: about half an hour/
[11:03] <Hawkwind> arcasa: There has to be a config file of some sort if you've run it before
[11:04] <kalagaraz> I'm in a chroot or whatever if thats important
[11:04] <Hawkwind> arcasa: You can do: sudo apt-get remove --purge kopete && sudo apt-get install kopete
[11:04] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: Just create the directory then
[11:04] <kalagaraz> mkdir fails too
[11:04] <kalagaraz> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/kalagaraz/.gnupg': No such file or directory
[11:05] <joshelu> holas
[11:05] <fdoving> kalagaraz: mkdir -p /home/kalagaraz/.gnupg
[11:05] <Hawkwind> kalagaraz: sudo mkdir ~/.gnupg  ?
[11:05] <Hawkwind> ERmm, mkdir -p  actually
[11:05] <kalagaraz> fdoving's worked
[11:05] <Hawkwind> Hah, thanks fdoving
[11:05] <fdoving> :)
[11:05] <Hawkwind> The chroot just dawned on me :)
[11:06] <kalagaraz> I got this at end of key update thing this time
[11:06] <kalagaraz> sudo: unable to lookup kalagaraz-desktop via gethostbyname()
[11:06] <fdoving> kalagaraz: add kalagaraz-desktop to /etc/hosts inside the chroot.
[11:07] <kalagaraz> so /var/chroot/etc/hosts?
[11:07] <fdoving> yes.
[11:07] <mvdkleijn> hi all... anybody good with php and apache? This will probably turn out to be a dumb question but its late...
[11:07] <fdoving> mvdkleijn: shoot.
[11:08] <sybux> any1 know a good replacement for Adobe Photoshop ?
[11:08] <kalagaraz> added it still getting error
[11:08] <mvdkleijn> fdoving: I've got a php script which calls a perl script (I cannot change the perl script)... the perl script tries to restart apache... conclusion apache dies and stays dead because the perl script kills its own process...
[11:08] <jmichaelx> lupine_85: are you out there?
[11:08] <Hawkwind> sybux: Gimp ?
[11:08] <sybux> Hawkwind: it can read photoshop file ?
[11:09] <kalagaraz> How come all this stuff isn't covered in the guide?
[11:09] <Hawkwind> sybux: Not 100% sure about that to be honest
[11:09] <karen_> oi
[11:09] <Hawkwind> sybux: You could ask in #Gimp unless someone here knows that answer, as I don't :(
[11:09] <fdoving> mvdkleijn: nice one. what is it you're trying to do?
[11:09] <sybux> Ok I'll test right now
[11:09] <sybux> will check for you
[11:09] <karen_> oi
[11:09] <Hawkwind> sybux: You could run photoshop in something like crossover office, or wine possibly
[11:10] <kalagaraz> bah I thought I disabled shift+backspace
[11:10] <osiris> say for some reason a samba server gets powered off while i have it mounted.  I wind up with a "stuck" mountpoint, that i can't unmount.  How would i go about forcing it to unmount
[11:10] <mvdkleijn> trying to call the createdomain.pl script of webmin from a php script I wrote for my clients to get a domain up and running within 5 minutes... I thought to easily integrate it.. :P
[11:10] <mvdkleijn> virtualmin actually..
[11:10] <kalagaraz> !chroot Kalagaraz
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chroot Kalagaraz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <Hawkwind> osiris: fuser -k /mnt/whatever ?
[11:10] <kalagaraz> !chroot
[11:10] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[11:10] <Hawkwind> osiris: As sudo of course ?
[11:11] <kalagaraz> anyways fdoving I'm stilling getting the host error thing after created the file
[11:11] <fdoving> kalagaraz: how does the file look? compate to your /etc/hosts file, or you can even copy the one from you real system nito the chroot.
[11:11] <kalagaraz> comapte?
[11:11] <LeeJunFan> kalagaraz: cp /etc/hosts /var/chroot/etc/.
[11:12] <kalagaraz> compate*
[11:12] <fdoving> kalagaraz: that's 'compare'
[11:12] <LeeJunFan> kalagaraz: cp /etc/resolv.conf /var/chroot/etc/.
[11:12] <kalagaraz> cp: cannot overwrite directory `/var/chroot/etc/./hosts' with non-directory
[11:12] <damdam> bonsoir a tous
[11:12] <LeeJunFan> uh, hosts shouldn't be a directory.
[11:13] <Hawkwind> !fr
[11:13] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:13] <damdam> thx
[11:13] <kalagaraz> you said create /var/chroot/hosts
[11:13] <mvdkleijn> fdoving: trying to call the createdomain.pl script of virtualmin from a php script I wrote for my clients to get a domain up and running within 5 minutes... I thought to easily integrate it with my site.. :P
[11:13] <kalagaraz> that looks like a directory to me :(
[11:13] <Mikelevel> nas
[11:13] <osiris> that didnt work Hawkwind.  i try to unmount it, and i get /home/osiris/mnt/OTHERBOX/otherbox_d probably not smb-filesystem
[11:13] <jmichaelx> could someone suggest a readily available PCMCIA wireless card that works out of the box in dapper?
[11:13] <Mikelevel> para hacer prelink en kubuntu hay q editar algun archivo para decirle a kde que use prelink?
[11:14] <osiris> the machine that share is on isnt even booted
[11:14] <kalagaraz> so what am I suppose to do?
[11:15] <octan> how do i disable sound with mplayer? mplayer ??
[11:15] <octan> i wanna see a movie without sound
[11:16] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: Any 'B' card will work out of the box, especially Orinoco Silver/Gold B cards
[11:16] <phreakys> hello
[11:16] <fdoving> mvdkleijn: if you can't edit the perl script i doubt it is much you can do.. really.
[11:16] <igor> how can i change the dimension?
[11:16] <igor> how can i change the dimension of my kde interface?
[11:16] <jmichaelx> ty Hawkwind.... are those slower speed than many of the newer ones?
[11:16] <igor> i want to put 1024x680
[11:16] <fdoving> octan: mplayer -nosound movie.avi
[11:16] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: B is slower than G yes.  Is there a reason you need the faster speeds ?
[11:17] <kalagaraz> sudo: unable to lookup kalagaraz-desktop via gethostbyname() :(
[11:17] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: Meaning, are you just using it for transferring files internally or what ?
[11:17] <sybux> Gimp Conclusion : It can open photoshop file, it can restore different layer.
[11:17] <jmichaelx> Hawkwind: no, i mean,,, is B like 11 Mbps, or %$ Mbps?
[11:17] <Hawkwind> sybux: So you're all good then ?
[11:17] <jmichaelx> 54*
[11:17] <sybux> One problem seems to appear, it can't reload FX on layer
[11:17] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: Correct.  B is 11, G is 54
[11:17] <sybux> Hawkwind: yes nearly !
[11:18] <jmichaelx> ok
[11:18] <sybux> I just have now to lear Gimp :D
[11:18] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: Of course G can do B speeds as well, but B can *not* do G speeds.
[11:18] <igor> how can i change the dimension of my kde interface?  i want to put 1024x680px
[11:18] <kalagaraz> I want my hostname :(
[11:18] <Hawkwind> igor: There is a place in systemsettings or in kcontrol
[11:18] <jmichaelx> Hawkwind: ok... and is it possible to get G speeds in dapper with any card? out of the box?
[11:19] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: That I don't know.  You can read the wireless page though and see what it says about what is supported
[11:19] <Hawkwind> !wireless > jmichaelx
[11:19] <jmichaelx> Hawkwind: ty again
[11:19] <octan> fdoving ok thanks.. do you know how to view it slomo too?
[11:19] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: No problem
[11:19] <fildo> morning
[11:20] <tony_> hello everyone , i have one question .. im new to linux.
[11:20] <tony_> is there any filesharing program like Emule or edonkey for linux?
[11:20] <zorglu_> tony_: yep, both are available
[11:20] <kalagaraz> Leejunfun I did cp /etc/resolv.conf /var/chroot/etc/.   but still get lookup error
[11:20] <tony_> im using ebuntu 64 bit
[11:20] <zorglu_> should not matter
[11:21] <tony_> would you tell me where i can find emule?
[11:21] <Hawkwind> !emule
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <Hawkwind> !info emule
[11:21] <ubotu> Package emule does not exist in any distro I know
[11:21] <fdoving> octan: no, sorry, can't help you there.
[11:21] <zorglu_> tony_: those are easy to port stuff, so should be repackage easily
[11:21] <Hawkwind> Gotta compile it it seems
[11:21] <zorglu_> !amule
[11:21] <ubotu> amule: aNOTHER eMule P2P Client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1173 kB, installed size 3212 kB
[11:21] <Hawkwind> tony_: There is also frostwire, limewire and many others
[11:21] <tony_> hehe, im way too new to linux i have no idea how to port them , compile them and stuff yet
[11:21] <igor> Hawkwind:  i didnt found
[11:22] <igor> :|
[11:22] <kalagaraz> sudo: unable to lookup kalagaraz-desktop via gethostbyname()    how do I fix that?
[11:22] <tony_> cool ubotu.. i will try amule
[11:22] <zorglu_> tony_: ubotu is a bot :)
[11:23] <tony_> dooohhhh
[11:23] <tony_> seems much smarter then i am
[11:23] <tony_> :)
[11:23] <zorglu_> :)
[11:23] <zorglu_> he does know a lot :)
[11:23] <tony_> this is great IRC .. im soo excited with linux
[11:24] <kalagaraz> Is there anyway to get root acress in Konqueror file view thingy?
[11:24] <kalagaraz> getting access denied errors
[11:24] <tony_> i have no amule in my ubuntu
[11:24] <tony_> :(
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> kdesu konqueror
[11:24] <tony_> i looked in lost and found and in add remove program
[11:25] <red> i need the link to the wiki ati binary drivers
[11:25] <zorglu_> tony_: make sure you got the 'universe' repository and use 'adept' to search it
[11:26] <tony_> is there any information on ubuntu about universe repository ?? no clue as to where i should look for it
[11:26] <zorglu_> !repo
[11:26] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:26] <zorglu_> tony_: see how smart ubotu is ? :)
[11:26] <tony_> lol..
[11:27] <tony_> im feeling dummer as we go
[11:27] <tony_> :(
[11:27] <zorglu_> dont
[11:27] <zorglu_> we are glad to have you :)
[11:27] <tony_> now that i know ubotu is robot, i can come here and ask soo many question :)
[11:27] <tony_> thanks zorglu:)
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> tony_: I can see amule but then I am running 32bit not 64
[11:28] <red> where do i get ati drivers
[11:28] <tony_> ubuntu is my first linux install :) .. so im learning as we speak
[11:28] <tony_> :(
[11:28] <cpk1> !ati
[11:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:28] <cpk1> tony_: the best way to learn is by jumping right in =)
[11:28] <tony_> maybe i should install 32 bit .. there are many thing that are not avalible for 64 including flash player
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> tony_: Windows to Ubuntu Transition Guide:http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> tony_: http://en.jakilinux.org/linux/ubuntu/kubuntu-606-on-athlon-64/
[11:29] <zorglu_> tony_: it would make your life easier, especially when begining, once you got more confortable you may get to 64 and handle all its specificities :)
[11:30] <tony_> thanks gatekeeper..
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper> tony_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[11:30] <tony_> yes zorglu. i think i will do that . by going 32 bit
[11:30] <kalagaraz> ok I got chroot installed. now how do I install something 32bit?
[11:31] <cpk1> tony_: i'm sure if you wait a year or so 64 will be pretty streamlined by then =P
[11:31] <tony_> im sure cpk1. i was reading article about flash player for 64 bit , it seems adobe is developing one for linux
[11:31] <tony_> since vista comming out too , i hope that happes at the same time
[11:32] <tony_> i realy got to learn bash .. :) . i got few resourse regarding that .. i have no idea how to work in shell and i know i will crash the kde soon :)
[11:32] <igor> what can i do to get root? to set my root password...
[11:33] <Hawkwind> igor: sudo passwd  or sudo passwd su
[11:33] <kalagaraz> seriously someone tell me where I can fix shift+backspace
[11:33] <sybux> Does any1 have try to connect a sony Ericsson P910i with Kubuntu ?
[11:33] <Hawkwind> igor: That will allow to have a traditional root account
[11:33] <igor> ok man thanks a lot
[11:33] <cpk1> tony_: what type of things are you trying to do in a shell?
[11:33] <kalagaraz> !shift+backspace
[11:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shift+backspace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <tony_> pretty much like to learn everything.. i tried to install nvidia driver and managed to crash the system since didn't know how to work in shell , i had to reinstall linux :(
[11:34] <kalagaraz> I got nvidia installed I think following cgl/compiz guide
[11:34] <kalagaraz> xgl*
[11:34] <sorush20> my floppy has suddenly disappeared
[11:34] <sorush20> help
[11:34] <cpk1> tony_: apt-get installs nvidia drivers for you
[11:35] <kalagaraz> sorush20 that is physically impossible
[11:35] <tony_> well, thats shell command right ? for now i think i stick to generic driver untill im good to go with shell :)
[11:35] <sorush20> kalagaraz: you know what I mean.. I mean that kde is not recognising ir
[11:35] <sorush20> it
[11:36] <igor> Hawkwind: im trying to change my interface resolution, ive already changed xorg.conf, now all i have to do is restart the kde?
[11:36] <cpk1> tony_: for nvidia drivers its something like sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:36] <kalagaraz> How do I fix shift+backspace restarting X?
[11:36] <cpk1> shouldnt be too hard =P
[11:36] <Hawkwind> igor: Possibly, yes
[11:36] <cpk1> !nvidia
[11:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:36] <igor> ok
[11:36] <igor> ill update then ill restart
[11:36] <igor> thanks
[11:36] <sybux> igor : you can follow this link. http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000081/ it has worked fine for me
[11:36] <tony_> i have gforce 7300 .. i found driver for it on nvidia site with run extension
[11:37] <ConsoleFx> NthDegree i am back....
[11:37] <ConsoleFx> i have asked abt my cell switching off prob ... u got it??
[11:37] <ConsoleFx> i am that guy
[11:37] <ConsoleFx> anyways
[11:37] <tony_> be right back
[11:38] <tony_> :)
[11:38] <ConsoleFx>  i connectted to another urb port and it didn't get switch off :)
[11:38] <NthDegree> lmao
[11:39] <cpk1> tony_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia doesnt work for you?
[11:39] <ConsoleFx> and i installed the application in kubuntu....
[11:39] <sybux> C u l8r ! -> time to sleep...
[11:39] <ConsoleFx> :p
[11:39] <ConsoleFx> but the last prob arises is it didnt get connected
[11:40] <ConsoleFx> when i am issuing the command rconnect to connect to the internet frm the shell then its showing pppd [options] .... and then its showing some pppd options...
[11:40] <tony_> when i tried to install my driver, the driver asked for many other program .. such as kernl, sdk develpment packages etc.. my installation faild on sdk part
[11:41] <cpk1> tony_: did you use apt-get?
[11:41] <ConsoleFx> how i will be able to solve it... :-ss
[11:41] <ConsoleFx> NthDegree plz tell
[11:41] <tony_> no , nvidia instraction was to install using the shell .
[11:41] <tony_> using comman like this
[11:42] <tony_> sh nvidia-linux-x86_64.......................
[11:42] <tony_> and then follow the instruction
[11:42] <cpk1> if you are installing from the package nvidia gave you then you need to stop x first
[11:42] <tony_> thats right
[11:42] <cpk1> although i dont see why you wouldnt want to use apt-get
[11:42] <NthDegree> ConsoleFx, uh learn what you need to put to connect
[11:43] <NthDegree> ConsoleFx, those drivers are BETA meaning they haven't been well tested
[11:43] <tony_> is not that i don't wnat to , is just i have no idea how too :)
[11:43] <cpk1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:43] <cpk1> thats how =)
[11:44] <tony_> i will try that again . thanks cpk1
[11:44] <tony_> how you are not robot :)
[11:44] <tony_> hope
[11:44] <ConsoleFx> ya u r right... but i have seen once that one of my frnd did this in another lnx box.. and then he went to /etc/rconnect/rconnect.conf and he changed the device location to /dev/ttySo or something.... and after that he got connected :-ss
[11:45] <ConsoleFx> so  i think if i will be able to set proper path then i can connect
[11:45] <ConsoleFx> i am sure abt it...
[11:45] <ConsoleFx> but need to know the connect path to set in the /etc/rconnect/rconnect.conf file
[11:47] <tony_> coooooool, im installing amule :)
[11:47] <tony_> this is sooooo coooool
[11:47] <zorglu_> hehe :)
[11:48] <zorglu_> an happy customer :)
[11:48] <cpk1> tony_: apt-get is the lazy persons best friend
[11:48] <cpk1> and helps new people
[11:48] <tony_> i realy hope linux kick microsoft ass sooon
[11:48] <cpk1> and removes the hassle of downloading tons of dependencies
[11:48] <tony_> all i have to type in shell is apt-get nvidia-glx
[11:48] <tony_> ?
[11:48] <kalagaraz> How do I install a deb file from console? I have it on my desktop
[11:49] <Homer> tony_:  sudo apt-get install <package>
[11:49] <zorglu_> kalagaraz: "sudo dpkg -i yourpacakagename.deb"
[11:49] <zorglu_> 2 answer for 2 different understanding of the question :)
[11:49] <tony_> downed driver has .run extension
[11:49] <kalagaraz> !chroot
[11:49] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[11:50] <cpk1> tony_: for the nvidia drivers its "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[11:51] <sorush20> could someone help me please?
[11:51] <sorush20> I can't find my floppy..
[11:51] <sorush20> in kubuntu
[11:51] <tony_> thank cpk , i will give that try soon
[11:51] <tony_> :)
[11:51] <|GaiJin|> can someone tell me what I have to do to make http://seerofsouls.com/dists/dapper/contrib/binary-i386/ into a apt-source string.... like deb http://seerofsouls.com/.... can someone fill it out... been trying for along time now...
[11:52] <cpk1> tony_: if you do the nvidia drivers from apt-get you dont need to stop X
[11:52] <tony_> that would be much easier for me
[11:52] <ironfroggy> is there a way to get firefox plugins' audio to play through arts?
[11:55] <sorush20> I am rooot.. sudo force all user -answer  root
[11:55] <sorush20> how do I list my devices?
[11:55] <cpk1> tony_: since you seem like you could use an introduction to apt-get https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto?action=show&redirect=AptGetHowTo this page might give you some useful info
[11:55] <cpk1> sorush20: lspci
[11:55] <cpk1> lsusb
[11:55] <cpk1> lshw
[11:55] <tony_> now thats great :) , i will read that intro , thanks cpk
[11:55] <Fade> so... uh.. where'd the feature go where you could <mod-key>-<tab> through a popup icon list of running applications?
[11:56] <ConsoleFx> i hope i will do it ...
[11:56] <ConsoleFx> i have some other lil probs...
[11:56] <sorush20> cpk1: I can't find my floppy..
[11:57] <ConsoleFx> how i will know that sound driver is installed in my system or not... ??
[11:57] <ConsoleFx> is there any commands?
[11:57] <admin_> play a sound?
[11:57] <cpk1> sorush20: lshw doesnt show it?
[11:58] <kalagaraz>  Package libart-2.0-2 is not installed   I'm getting like 100000 of those trying to install xvid. What am I missing exactly?
[11:58] <tony_> got to go, thanks for all the help.. see you guys soon :)
[11:58] <kalagaraz> I hope I don't have to individually install each one
[11:58] <sorush20> cpk1: no its not there
[11:58] <cpk1> !info libart-2.0-2
[11:58] <ubotu> libart-2.0-2: Library of functions for 2D graphics - runtime files. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.17-1 (dapper), package size 58 kB, installed size 160 kB
[11:59] <ConsoleFx> i need to run mp3 files... but its opening but its not giving any sounds :(
[11:59] <ConsoleFx> so i think the sound driver is not there (may b)
[11:59] <sorush20> ConsoleFx: what program you using..
[11:59] <kalagaraz> !libfontconfig1
[11:59] <ubotu> libfontconfig1: generic font configuration library (shared library). In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.2-1.1ubuntu12 (dapper), package size 112 kB, installed size 260 kB
[11:59] <cpk1> ConsoleFx: open alsamixer and check the sound levels?
[11:59] <cpk1> kalagaraz: if they are in main they should install if they are a dependency
[12:00] <ConsoleFx> alsamixer.. where it resides???
[12:00] <cpk1> just run alsamixer
[12:00] <kalagaraz> I'm in a chroot which is probally the problem
[12:00] <sorush20> ConsoleFx: just type in the terminal alsamixer
[12:00] <ConsoleFx> okie... thnx.... let me try....
[12:01] <cpk1> he quit to do that?
[12:01] <sorush20> cpk1: in lshw what does your fd0 look like
[12:01] <sorush20> cpk1: yes he did..
[12:02] <sorush20> cpk1: i'm beginning to find things like this funny too... I guess I'm becoming a fully fledged geek..
[12:02] <cpk1> sorush20: i dont have a floppy plugged in
[12:03] <sorush20> cpk1: damn
[12:03] <sorush20> I'll have to reboot and check bios.. see ya
[12:03] <raul> hello guys.....could anybody help me with the answer to a simple question: how can I configure firewall of Kubuntu 5 system? (I lnow, I do not know mutch, I'm just a noobie into Linux world, but I hope you can help me) :)
[12:03] <kalagaraz> (xvidcap:23509): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[12:04] <kalagaraz> gay shift+backspace
[12:04] <kalagaraz> nothing in chroot is liking my local
[12:04] <kalagaraz> what did I do wrong?
[12:04] <xenoborg> n1ce kde repositories -> http://mrroot.homelinux.org/wordpress
[12:04] <lupine_85> raul: http://www.netfilter.org/
[12:04] <lupine_85> or install firestarter
[12:04] <zorglu_> !flash
[12:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:05] <pielgrzym> anyone knows lilo well? :( I can't make a copy of my ubuntu run (it has a separate /boot partition)
[12:05] <kalagaraz> !chroot
[12:05] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[12:05] <raul> thanks lupine85
[12:07] <kalagaraz> !chroot
[12:07] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[12:07] <livre> what do I do after mounting an HD to /mnt folder?
[12:08] <livre> do I have to add permissions so I can execute the files?
[12:08] <red_> is there an extended desktop feature that i can get on my notebook with an ati card
[12:09] <renatim-br> what do I do after mounting an HD to /mnt folder?
[12:10] <cpk1> i would imagine you leave it there until you want to use it
[12:10] <kalagaraz> (xvidcap:23939): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:   anyidea how to fix that?


[00:47] <Yehai> bazhang CarlFK chu DalekSec Dave DJOnes FlannelKing funkyHat Guest47262 kloeri lhavelund mneptok nhandler phunyguy Pici tonyyarusso valorie    YO, WHY I AM BANNED FROM FREENODE
[00:47] <Yehai> bazhang CarlFK chu DalekSec Dave DJOnes FlannelKing funkyHat Guest47262 kloeri lhavelund mneptok nhandler phunyguy Pici tonyyarusso valorie    YO, WHY I AM BANNED FROM FREENODE
[00:47] <Yehai> bazhang CarlFK chu DalekSec Dave DJOnes FlannelKing funkyHat Guest47262 kloeri lhavelund mneptok nhandler phunyguy Pici tonyyarusso valorie    YO, WHY I AM BANNED FROM FREENODE
[00:51] <bazhang> icesword innit
[01:00] <Unit193> I don't know, but he didn't like me. :(
[01:01] <bazhang> yeah its him
[02:19] <Unit193> FlannelShirt.
[02:35] <eighteenonwh33ls> Oh neat
[02:35] <eighteenonwh33ls> Am I here to get lectured?
[02:36] <eighteenonwh33ls> Hm.
[02:36] <eighteenonwh33ls> This isn't productive for me...
[02:36] <eighteenonwh33ls> I'll just circumvent the ban ^-^
[02:36] <eighteenonwh33ls> ciao
[02:36] <Unit193> Jordan_U: ↑
[03:14] <valorie> right, I banned someone from freenode
[03:14] <valorie> not
[05:04] <rww> !discuss =~ s/  / /
[07:38] <DJOnes> Asked them to stay on topic & pointed out its not a chat channel, subsequently left
[14:16] <popey> !isitoutyet
[14:16] <popey> we should probably fix that :S
[14:21] <bazhang> !outyet
[14:21] <bazhang> w00h00
[14:21] <bazhang> oh
[14:23] <genii> !isitout-#ubuntu+1
[14:23]  * genii goes back to the coffeepot
[14:23] <Pici> !-isitoutyet
[14:24] <h00k> wait,
[14:24] <h00k> what month is it
[14:24] <Pici> octber
[14:24] <bazhang> o
[14:25] <k1l> octobear :)
[14:25] <genii> 10th month
[14:25] <h00k> 10, oh, it's releasing the 22nd.
[14:25] <h00k> I panicked for a second.
[14:25] <genii> Yep
[14:25] <bazhang> unleash the party
[14:25] <h00k> I'm so far out of touch with releases and "what's new" these days :'(
[14:25] <bazhang> systemd has acquired the su
[14:25] <Pici> poke me on the 22 if I'm not paying attention, or via twitter/email if I'm not here, and I'll update all the ubottu things.
[23:22] <Caden> who banned me?
[23:28] <cadenr> ok its me from another pc.... testing....
[23:29] <k1l> hi cadenr Caden
[23:29] <cadenr> both pcs aere on but i cant see everything thats happening on other pc
[23:29] <cadenr> they on same channel
[23:30] <k1l> do you know why you are banned?
[23:30] <cadenr> not really... it was last night
[23:30] <cadenr> (my time) XD
[23:31] <k1l> !guidelines | cadenr
[23:31] <cadenr> i have it open on other pc
[23:31] <cadenr> i spent time looking on how to get unbanned
[23:31] <k1l> please make sure you re read them to get a clue what behaviour we do accept and what we dont want in the ubuntu community
[23:32] <cadenr> i was there for help on my partitions tho
[23:33] <cadenr> people started making random chat and moderator told them to stop then i was banned. i definatley tried to stay out of it
[23:33] <k1l> yes, the logs tells me you started with a own support issue but then made a lot of offtopic and spamming which resulted in you beeing removed
[23:33] <cadenr> ...
[23:33] <k1l> 2015-10-03T01:14:13 <caden__> IN 5 SECONDS SPAM CINNAMON!!!!
[23:33] <cadenr> lol
[23:33] <k1l> with spamming you "CINNAMON" afterwards.
[23:33] <cadenr> only 2 times
[23:33] <cadenr> i think
[23:35] <k1l> ok. is this now clear that this is not a suitable behaviour in a tehcnical support channel like #ubuntu?
[23:35] <cadenr> ummm.. im only eleven :)
[23:35] <k1l> age doesnt matter
[23:35] <cadenr> 0-0
[23:36] <cadenr> WAITAMINNIT!!! i msg-d u earlier didnt i
[23:36] <k1l> other user coming for help to #ubuntu and needing help but you spamming the channel doesnt matter if you are 11 or 51.
[23:36] <cadenr> i dont know much about ubuntu so i was there for help, not to help others. :P
[23:37] <k1l> #ubuntu is a place for users getting help. for chatting we do have other channels. if everyone is chatting there will be too much noise in #ubuntu. that is distracting.
[23:38] <cadenr> i understand, but were getting off track
[23:38] <k1l> you showing you understand the guidelines and will follow them in future is not getting off track
[23:39] <cadenr> i meant talking about my age (yes is my fault)
[23:41] <k1l> did you re read the guidelines?
[23:41] <cadenr> i have them here and i am reading now
[23:43] <cadenr> i just read the entire freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[23:44] <k1l> then please read this too since its the once additionally for the ubuntu channels http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[23:44] <cadenr> ok
[23:46] <cadenr> i read it (i didnt know about pastebin at the time)
[23:48] <k1l> ok. so can you please keep the chat and the malicious behaviour like spamming out of the channel in future?
[23:48] <cadenr> yes i promise
[23:49] <k1l> ok, i will remove the ban then. please stick to the guidelines in future, dont waste your second chance. thanks
[23:49] <cadenr> no, thanks 2 u
[23:50] <cadenr> ok, goodbye i am going to close the windows


[09:56] <vila> mgz_: ping
[11:06] <vila_> mgz_: ping
[13:06] <sharan> Hi
[13:08] <sharan> If i have deployed for example abc/0,abc/1,abc/2,abc/3 and abc/4
[13:08] <sharan> in relation-changed hook is it possible for me to get abc/4  unit directly instead of using relation-list
[13:19] <vila_> mgz_: ping :-}
[13:19] <sharan> Hi i have abc/0,abc/1,abc/2,abc/3 and abc/4 units, Is it possible for me to get the highest number unit in this case like abc/4 in relation-changed hook directly without using relation-list
[13:39] <sharan> Hi i have abc/0,abc/1,abc/2,abc/3 and abc/4 units, Is it possible for me to get the highest number unit in this case like abc/4 in relation-changed hook directly without using relation-list
[14:22] <vila_> mgz_: Ping
[14:55] <cory_fu> jose: Hey, you have ethercalc locked on the RQ.  Are you currently looking at that, or should I take a look?
[16:53] <aatchison> Hello. I am having difficulties while bootstrapping JuJu. After node aquisition and deployment on our MaaS cluster, I get this error: Attempt 1 to download tools from https://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/releases/juju-1.24.7-trusty-amd64.tgz...
[16:53] <aatchison> curl: (7) Failed to connect to streams.canonical.com port 443: Connection timed out
[16:53] <aatchison> tools from https://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/releases/juju-1.24.7-trusty-amd64.tgz downloaded: HTTP 000; time 126.855s; size 0 bytes; speed 0.000 bytes/s Download failed..... wait 15s
[16:54] <aatchison> I can curl to that address and get the file, any ideas?
[17:17] <aatchison> I am using ppa:juju/stable and ppa:maas/stable on 14.04.
[17:18] <aatchison> Sorry, I timed out. I don’t know if anyone responded or not :/
[18:23] <pmatulis> nope
[19:54] <alexisb> aatchison, if you are still around, could this potentially be your issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/465508/juju-bootstrap-debug-failed-to-connect-https-streams-canonical-com
[20:16] <aatchison> ahh, thank you
[20:16] <aatchison> checking that out
[20:51] <moqq> anyone have any idea what i should do if one of the jujud agents out of nowhere refuses to start up with this error: “panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference”
[20:51] <moqq> full logs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13002509/
[20:51] <moqq> was thinking it might be related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1496188 but i’m not really sure
[20:51] <mup> Bug #1496188: panic in juju worker <panic> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496188>
[21:25] <moqq> if i have an agent with message “message: agent is not communicating with the server"
[21:25] <moqq> i just want to delete that unit
[21:25] <moqq> but remove-unit does nothing
[21:25] <moqq> (WHY?!?!)


[13:39] <sakrecoer_> seem i've gotten rusty on the test-case proceedure... looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/ManualStyleGuide#Testcase_Naming the qsynth testcase has got a number in the branch... should i disregard the prefixed number anyways?
[13:40] <sakrecoer_> the qsynth testcase in the branch is a template...
[14:22] <knome> sakrecoer_, testcases do not need numbering/ID's (unless you want to have some)
[14:22] <knome> oh wait
[14:22] <knome> in the *branch*
[14:22] <knome> if it's a new test, don't add an ID
[14:23] <knome> it's going to be the testcase ID on the tracker, and that is unknown for now
[14:35] <sakrecoer_> thanks knome, i opted for following the instructions as they are: i did not add a test-case number prefix
[15:22] <sakrecoer_> knome: following that readme, in appearance>menu, there is a link to home, but it wont display...
[15:23] <sakrecoer_> knome: oh, found how to fix it...
[17:11] <tracker5> sakrecoer_: you merged fix for qsynth against
[17:12] <tracker5> new testcase instead of changing the 1675
[17:12] <tracker5> _qsynth one
[17:12] <tracker5> my bouncer is screwed - this is flocculant :D
[17:13] <sakrecoer_> hi tracker5/flocculant! how do i fix it?
[17:13] <sakrecoer_> haha
[17:14] <sakrecoer_> did i merge it...? gah.. thought i just did a merge request..
[17:16] <flocculant> hi sakrecoer_
[17:16] <sakrecoer_> \o/ flocculant !
[17:17] <sakrecoer_> you want me to put the ID number back in the file name and push again?
[17:17] <flocculant> no - there is already one there with 1675_Qsysnth
[17:17] <flocculant> lose your new one - edit the 1675 one then push it please :)
[17:17] <sakrecoer_> yeah, i saw that and asked arround, but non-one answered, so i figured i just follow the instruction on the page..
[17:18] <sakrecoer_> sure!
[17:23] <sakrecoer_> flocculant: should i just do bzr push lp:~sakrecoer/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug-1538228
[17:23] <sakrecoer_> and link it again?
[17:23] <flocculant> yep should do the job
[17:30] <sakrecoer_> flocculant: fixd :)
[17:34] <flocculant> okey doke - all done now
[17:34] <flocculant> off again now - laters
[17:35] <sakrecoer_> o/ ~
[18:51] <krytarik> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039159.html ("Fonts-droid has been deprecated and removed, please update your dependency")
[18:52] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: oh... droid font is one of the few things i awlays change after install..
[18:55] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: what does xubuntu use as default? Does it look ok? Maybe just use that.
[18:56] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: zequence has been trying to move in the direction of keeping the Studio-xubuntu delta as small as possible.
[18:57] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: can't remember right now. perhaps xubuntu uses droid too...
[18:58] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: "studio-xubuntu delta"...? what is that?
[18:58] <OvenWerks> the difference between one and the other. Delta normally means that.
[18:58] <sakrecoer_> i think it is a good practice! I realy like xubuntu's art-direction
[18:59] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: they also have more manpower, so they tend to keep thing up to date
[18:59] <sakrecoer_> xubuntu even customize their mailing-list subscription page: attention to detail <3
[19:00] <OvenWerks> knome: Do you know what the default font is in xubuntu?
[19:02] <sakrecoer_> looks like it is droid on the screenshots
[19:02] <sakrecoer_> http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/1404_customize/
[19:03] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: thats old now though. if droid is not being kept up they may have changed... or the package name may have just changed.
[19:04] <krytarik> OvenWerks: I just posted the same in #xubuntu-devel, ftm. :P
[19:05] <sakrecoer_> thanks krytarik :) 14.04 seem to have droid in the window titles and deja-sans for text... but i'm just guessing from some screenshots..
[19:06] <OvenWerks> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts-droid doesn't say anything about it being removed for X
[19:11] <krytarik> OvenWerks: https://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fonts-android/news/20151215T110021Z.html
[19:13] <OvenWerks> So change the package to fonts-droid-fallback
[19:13] <sakrecoer_> "The name noto is to convey the idea that Google’s goal is to see “no more tofu”."
[19:13] <OvenWerks> package name has changed
[19:16] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: I would still like to know what xubuntu is doing with this as the new package sounds like it may be less all inclusive.
[19:18] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: Yeah, lets see what they say :) Noto seems to be very inclusive tho... https://www.google.com/get/noto/ but yeah... its a google creation..
[19:19] <OvenWerks> lets use "Park Avenue"  ;)
[19:20] <sakrecoer_> :D


[01:42] <Bookman> Is the service going to be down much longer?  I am just trying this again since about 2 years ago and the reliability certainly seems no better!!!
[01:55] <Bookman> Dropbox, by the way, just keeps on working away.
[02:16] <duanedesign> Bookman: what version of Ubutnu are you running? Are you using the default client or a Nightliess PPA?
[02:16] <Bookman> 11.04
[02:16] <Bookman> And whatever it comes with
[02:19] <duanedesign> Bookman: ok. odd I have had pretty good luck with that version.
[02:19] <duanedesign> Bookman: what do you get from running the command.  u1sdtool -s
[02:19] <Bookman> Yeah, I need more than luck.  I wnat reliability.
[02:20] <Bookman> State: LOCAL_RESCAN
[02:20] <Bookman>     connection: With User With Network
[02:20] <Bookman>     description: doing local rescan
[02:20] <Bookman>     is_connected: False
[02:20] <Bookman>     is_error: False
[02:20] <Bookman>     is_online: False
[02:20] <Bookman>     queues: WORKING
[02:21] <duanedesign> i can /.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[02:21] <duanedesign> oops
[02:22] <duanedesign> does this file containing anything:    gedit ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[02:22] <Bookman> I understand
[02:23] <Bookman> Yes, do you want to see the one dated?
[02:24] <duanedesign> the one without the date would be the newest.
[02:25] <duanedesign> if thie is something in it could youpastebin it?
[02:26] <Bookman> http://pastebin.ca/2057135
[02:32] <duanedesign> Bookman: oh boy I one have not seen before.  Let me look and ask around and see if i can find something out
[02:32] <Bookman> It's not a big deal.  I have dropbox working, and have for a long time.  I just thought it would be nice to put that money into Ubuntu instead of dropbox.
[02:34] <duanedesign> #663860
[02:34] <duanedesign> bug #663860
[02:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 663860 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntu one doesn't connect after upgrade to maverick (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663860
[02:34] <duanedesign> ok looks like we can confirm that bug
[02:34] <duanedesign> ans hopefully they will then tak a look at that ASAP
[02:34] <duanedesign> if you would like to, you can subscribe to the report to get updates on its progress
[02:35] <Bookman> No worries and thanks for the help.  I'll try again in a couple more releases.
[02:35] <duanedesign> Bookman: well thank you for helping to confirm the bug that helps
[02:35] <Bookman> No problem....Dropbox just keeps on working away!
[02:36] <Bookman> Have a great night.
[02:36] <duanedesign> you too Bookman
[02:40] <duanedesign> fagan: i was able to confirm the bug above^^. Noticed you commented on it so I thought I would mention FWIW.
[02:40] <duanedesign> .50
[02:54] <jdobrien> duanedesign, you confirmed that upgrading to maverick breaks ubuntuone-client?
[02:56] <duanedesign> jdobrien: hmmm, no.This was an upgrade to natty/
[03:00] <jdobrien> duanedesign, looks like the comments deviated from th original bug report
[03:02]  * duanedesign nods
[03:03] <duanedesign> I could agree with that. Might of bit a bit hasty to draw the connection. I guess fagans comments were about all the updates in Maverick.
[03:05] <duanedesign> jdobrien: I will change it back to incomplete to await an update from the op.
[04:16] <igjohn> hello everyone , is there anyone willing to help with setting up my dedicated server ?
[04:17] <igjohn> i have isseus with the NOC and virtualization
[04:17] <igjohn> NIC
[07:54] <thisfred> ralsina: so private meeting is not 9am, right?
[08:05] <dobey> mail said 11
[08:05] <dobey> where is you?
[08:06] <thisfred> dobey: jokal, ubuntu-dev-tools
[08:06] <dobey> ah
[08:44] <fagan> morning
[12:12] <karni> Hi #ubuntuone, my U1 is not syncing :D I need help.
[12:13] <karni> In the web UI I see new files (that I have uploaded) under ~/Ubuntu One (so, on the top of /files ), but they're not coming down to my laptop.
[12:13] <karni> My SD is idle, everything seems to be working fine.
[12:15] <igjohn> hi ubuntu , i need help with my dedicated server
[12:15] <karni> I did refresh volumes and rescan from scratch  the '' volume, --waiting is still empty.
[12:15] <karni> igjohn: You're sure in the right #channel? What's your question?
[12:16] <karni> igjohn: This is Ubuntu One channel, you probably want #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server(s)
[12:17] <igjohn> anywhere i can egt help with troubleshooting my ubuntu server
[12:18] <karni> igjohn: /join #ubuntu-server
[12:18] <igjohn> ty
[12:18] <karni> yw
[12:25] <karni> nvm my question, I received help :)
[13:55] <thisfred> CardinalFang: yo, can you join #ubuntu-uds-mikszath, if you havent already?
[14:08] <CardinalFang> thisfred, hi.
[21:10] <shane4kubuntu> ok, I have switched to kde, and with every new version, I always give u1 another shot to see how it is going, I  installed u1 in kde, but don't see it, what do I need to do to get u1 installed/running with kde?
[22:24] <shane4kubuntu> hmm, not a lot of action here. :)  does anyone know what I need to do to get u1 working, runnning on KDE?
[22:29] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: its late and its UDS week thats why you didnt get an answer quickly
[22:29] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: what version are you on?
[22:29] <shane4kubuntu> ahh, ok, understood, is there anything special I need to install on kde to get u1 up and running?
[22:30] <shane4kubuntu> fagan: I'm on 11.04
[22:30] <shane4kubuntu> latest.
[22:30] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: ok give me a sec just need to double check something
[22:31] <shane4kubuntu> fagan: ok, I googled a bit, but came up with old stuff, 9.10, 10.10 etc.
[22:32] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: ok I cant find how to do it myself could you come between 9-5GMT please and someone else can answer
[22:32] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: I havent tried it so I cant really help too much
[22:32] <fagan> sorry about t~hat
[22:32] <fagan> :/
[22:32] <shane4kubuntu> fagan: 9-5GMT  I'm trying to figure out what time that would be in EST
[22:33] <shane4kubuntu> I will tinker around, I installed a few u1 packages, but don't seem to see anything I can run.
[22:33] <shane4kubuntu> fagan: appreciate you looking.
[22:33] <fagan> http://www.timeanddate.com/
[22:33] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: np
[22:35] <shane4kubuntu> fagan: I'm -5 hours, so that would be -5 from GMT?  I think that is how that works
[22:35] <shane4kubuntu> so 9GMT would be like 4am my time
[22:36] <shane4kubuntu> and 5pm would be like 1pm my time. Ok, I think I got it figured out.
[22:36] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: yeah thats right
[22:36] <shane4kubuntu> ok, thanks
[22:36] <fagan> so if you come around sometime between 9 and 1 your time it should be ok
[22:36] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: nice name btw
[22:36] <shane4kubuntu> thanks!
[22:36] <fagan> its my first name too
[22:37] <fagan> :D
[22:37] <shane4kubuntu> ahh, ok, I been with *buntu since, Breezy days, so looks like I'm going to stick around.
[22:38] <fagan> Ive been running ubuntu since gutsy and started working for canonical a month ago :)
[22:38] <fagan> (as an intern)
[22:38] <shane4kubuntu> great to hear, I found the article:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/HowDoIInstallTheGNOMEUbuntuOneClientOnKubuntu
[22:39] <shane4kubuntu> I should have thought to check the web page first.
[22:39] <fagan> shane4kubuntu: I think thats a little out of date
[22:40]  * fagan remembers someone had trouble with it a week ago
[22:40] <shane4kubuntu> oh, well, another time I guess, thanks anyway.
[22:41] <fagan> np