[06:57] <june_starnight> OdyX, ya!i had remember that i can connect at my office but cant at home now.
[06:57] <neuron_> cant change my screen res for more than 1024x768
[06:57] <june_starnight> defrysk, oic
[06:58] <OdyX> june_starnight: firewall ?
[06:58] <neuron_> whys that?
[06:58] <june_starnight> firewall?
[06:58] <june_starnight> i dun think so
[06:58] <june_starnight> i din set any firewall with my DesktopSecure
[06:59] <knubbe> is it possible to speed up kde somehow?
[06:59] <neuron_> any ideeas?
[06:59] <JasonL> neuron_ theres a wiki document on that
[06:59] <knubbe> after having just 3-4 applications open it gets slow...
[06:59] <defrysk> knubbe, get the latest version (for dapper only)
[06:59] <JasonL> search for "fix video resolution"
[06:59] <NoUse> knubbe how much memory do you have?
[06:59] <taz_> k figured out why I think. I permissions issue. but root cant run konqueror.
[06:59] <defrysk> taz_, kdesu konqueror
[06:59] <knubbe> defrysk: i just upgraded to dapper. maybe theres a later version available than the bundled one. ill have a look.
[07:00] <taz_> ah
[07:00] <defrysk> knubbe, yes there is
[07:00] <defrysk> look in kubuntu.com
[07:00] <knubbe> NoUse: 2gb ram, intel celeron 1.6ghz mobile. it's a laptop.
[07:00] <knubbe> NoUse: 1.5gb swap i think
[07:00] <JasonL> neuron_ https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:00] <neuron_> what video player should i use?
[07:00] <knubbe> defrysk: ok.
[07:00] <defrysk> knubbe, its way faster (at least here it is)
[07:00] <neuron_> ty JasonL
[07:01] <knubbe> defrysk: oh, ok
[07:01] <JasonL> np
[07:01] <JasonL> anyone know why when I end  my session i get the usplash and nothing happens?
[07:01] <june_starnight> Is that MSN Messenger Server is messenger.hotmail.com?
[07:02] <defrysk> yes
[07:02] <june_starnight> defrysk, thanks.
[07:02] <defrysk> id =<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:03] <Leonin> I have a dual boot problem. I have to install winXP again, but if I do that the grub bootloader gets eaten by winXP startup. How do I logon to Kubuntu after that?
[07:03] <knubbe> defrysk: upgrading...
[07:04] <defrysk> knubbe, cool :)
[07:04] <Bazzi> Leonin: try with a live cd and do "grub install hdax" where x is your primary partition
[07:06] <gan|y|med> hi
[07:07] <gan|y|med> how do i use knetworkmanager.  it does not show me anything, no networks at all. iwconfig shows i am connected... any ideas?
[07:08] <neuron_> how do i restart x?
[07:08] <neuron_> kdm restart ?
[07:08] <Bazzi> neuron_ ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:08] <defrysk> ctrl alt backspace
[07:08] <neuron_> okay
[07:08] <june_starnight> defrysk, is that i can ping messenger.hotmail.com ?
[07:08] <trappist> or /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[07:08] <defrysk> june_starnight, ?
[07:10] <june_starnight> defrysk, i should can ping messenger.hotmail.com, izit?
[07:11] <JasonL> someone please help
[07:11] <june_starnight> JasonL?
[07:11] <defrysk> june_starnight, ping <IP_ADDRESS> messenger.hotmail.co
[07:11] <JasonL> i click logout then end current session
[07:11] <defrysk> m
[07:12] <defrysk> june_starnight, ping <IP_ADDRESS> messenger.hotmail.com
[07:12] <june_starnight> JasonL, and then?
[07:12] <defrysk> should work
[07:12] <JasonL> and i get the kubuntu splash screen, no white text, and the loading bar doesnt move
[07:12] <JasonL> i have to press the reset button on my pc to get out of it
[07:12] <defrysk> june_starnight, you should get this response  PING dp.msnmessenger.akadns.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(124) bytes of data.
[07:14] <defrysk> june_starnight, also read http://www.bubble-media.com/cgi-bin/articles/archives/000037.html
[07:14] <gan|y|med> is it possible to use networkmanager with both static and non-static ip addresses?
[07:14] <defrysk> its ms oriented tho :s
[07:15] <JasonL> =( this is very annoying
[07:17] <DaSkreech> What does dd stand for?
[07:17] <neuron_> where can i find a how-to on installing xgl?
[07:17] <neuron_> chavo, you there?
[07:17] <DaSkreech> !xgl
[07:17] <ubotu> well, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[07:17] <weedar> Anyone got tv-out working with a S3 Unichrome Pro video-card? Please say yes :)
[07:17] <gan|y|med> ciao
[07:18] <june_starnight> weedar, no. sorry.
[07:18] <weedar> oh well
[07:18] <jwat> anyone know how to get the "Administrator Mode" button to show up in System Settings?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Ah data duplicator :) Thanks Google :)
[07:18] <JasonL> i guess no one knows how to sort my problem
[07:19] <DaSkreech> This is on Logout?
[07:19] <synmoo> looks like getting this running with an ati chipset just isn't going to happen.
[07:20] <Mongey> !3d
[07:20] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Mongey
[07:20] <HamishTPB> hiya
[07:22] <HamishTPB> can anyone help me - just installed Kubuntu 6.06 and after an update went wrong my apt database is locked and even restarting doens't clear the lock. Is there a lockfile I can delete?
[07:24] <beavis> maybe its locked because youre not sudo or root?
[07:24] <bhna> HamishTPB: sudo apt-get install -f
[07:24] <HamishTPB> bhna: thanks - will try that
[07:24] <HamishTPB> beavis: not that - was using sudo adept and sudo apt-get etc
[07:24] <beavis> ok
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> HamishTPB: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[07:25] <HamishTPB> bhna: your solution plus following what it told me next seems to have worked - thanks :)
[07:25] <DaSkreech> yannux: You good?
[07:25] <HamishTPB> thanks all for trying to help :D
[07:26] <yannux> DaSkreech:  bad :s
[07:26] <hele> Problems with two screens,  desktop get four times too big and i have scroll like mad to reach second screen. What should do?
[07:29] <synmoo> is there a way to manually set my tcp/ip settings via the shell? What about find my mac address?
[07:29] <Mongey> ive got a 3d thing from adept but how do i run it?
[07:30] <bhna> Mongey: 3d thing?
[07:30] <Mongey> sorry 3D desktop
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: Have a look at ifconfig -a (to find out the mac addresses) and man interfaces to see how to setup your ip addresses (I can give you an example of how to do a static ip address if you like but I prefer to just use dhcp and set the router to always give the same ip
[07:34] <korottage> Hi, I've just installed kubuntu64 on my laptop, everything is lovely.  However when trying to run linux32 ./skype I get ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXcursor.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:34] <korottage> However, that lib exists
[07:34] <bhna> Mongey: http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/
[07:36] <neuron_> i`am having a problem doing sudo apt-key add -
[07:36] <neuron_> it doesnt seem t finish
[07:36] <korottage> http://uuoc.com/1471  shows the output of ldd, which says it's not finding the library file, however I've also copied it to the same dir as the rest, and ran ldconfig
[07:38] <neuron_> what could be wrong?
[07:38] <h3sp4wn> korottage: The only supported way of using 32 bit apps in 64 bit os is via chroot
[07:38] <korottage> could you elaborate
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> !schroot
[07:39] <ubotu> h3sp4wn: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:39] <korottage> I mean, I've done it with apache for example, but ..
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> !debootstrap
[07:39] <neuron_> "sudo apt-key add -" doesnt seem to end
[07:39] <ultm8> hi everybody
[07:39] <ultm8> is this a place i can get help with kubuntu?
[07:39] <neuron_> yup
[07:39] <robotgeek> ultm8: yes
[07:39] <beavis> how can i creat an icon to my /home folder in the taskbar by the K icon
[07:39] <ultm8> hi robotgeek
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> korottage: You need to use debootstrap to created a 32 bit chroot - then you can use schroot to run apps from the chroot on the host system
[07:40] <Hawkwind> Anyone know if there is an Ultima 4 clone for Kubuntu ?  I know Mandriva which I come from has xu4 and xu4-data but I see nothing like that in apt-cache search.
[07:40] <ultm8> i have to say only just starting using kubuntu and am loving it, still a noobie but if a few people can help me out to get the ball rolling i will be greatful
[07:40] <bhna> beavis: drag and drop from konqueror
[07:40] <ultm8> Hi to everyone by the way
[07:41] <korottage> h3sp4wn: nice thanks!
[07:41] <mrmist> the official nvidia-drivers has some strange effects on my system
[07:41] <mlewis> hgfh
[07:41] <mlewis> hello
[07:41] <mrmist> The fonts suddenly got bigger everywhere
[07:42] <ultm8> hey can anyone give me a hint into registering on here so i can pm people ;o)
[07:42] <robotgeek> !register
[07:42] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:43] <ultm8> !register
[07:43] <mrmist> how do I get the fps from glxgears again !?
[07:43] <ultm8> [18:43]  <ubotu> Someone already said that 7 seconds ago
[07:43] <beavis> bhna: thanks ,
[07:44] <beavis> linux if fun ,
[07:44] <beavis> frustrating sometimes
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> mrmist: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[07:45] <mrmist> hehehehe
[07:45] <mrmist> nice oe
[07:45] <mrmist> one
[07:45] <jbirdAngel> crossover office isnt oss is it?
[07:46] <mrmist> I'm just testing the OGL implementation of my nv drivers
[07:46] <mrmist> Not benchmarking
[07:46] <h3sp4wn> The binary ones ?
[07:46] <mrmist> but then again... is there any good benchmarking of 3d in linux ?
[07:47] <frank__> mrmist: not sure maybe running UT2k4 becnhmarks
[07:47] <synmoo> Damnit! So close.. and yet so far.  [Error]  Kernel Module : Failed to compile kernel module - please consult readme.
[07:47] <mrmist> on linux ?
[07:47] <mrmist> with wine then ?
[07:47] <frank__> mrmist: no UT is native to linux
[07:47] <mrmist> hmm
[07:47] <mrmist> got an URL ?
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: Why are you trying to compile the ati driver ?
[07:48] <frank__> mrmist: you can get the demo version for free. I don't know how to run becnhmarks on it though
[07:48] <mrmist> hmm
[07:48] <ultm8> you think your having problems i still don't know how to register :( please help.  IRC noob
[07:48] <Desh> Important news, nVidia tries to mess up ATI cards on Linux!!
[07:48] <mrmist> ultm8: try "/msg NickServ help
[07:49] <Desh> How do I find out my motherboard's chipset?
[07:49] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: Because the included driver does not work. the monitors go blank as soon as X starts.
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: The version in the repositories is the same version as you can download from ati.com
[07:49] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: to make it worse, I can't even get it to work with the vesa driver unless I'm using the live cd.
[07:49] <_JP> is it intentional that "show desktop" (using dapper + kde 3.5.3) leaves konversation visible if i select option "skip creating taskbar entry" from konversation settings?
[07:50] <JasonL> can kopete change the MSN PM message?
[07:50] <mrmist> Is about 2000 fps on glxgears any good at all ??
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: You need to enable multiverse and install linux-restricted-modules-386 and xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:50] <frank__> mrmist: I find glxgears very unreliable. my fps can vary wildly with the same card
[07:51] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: is the multiverse the same as universe (which I have enabled)
[07:51] <ultm8> cool am registered i think :)
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> mrmist: It means hardware acceleration is working
[07:51] <mrmist> Anyhow... another question.. drop shadows on the windows in KDE... is it possible ?
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: no
[07:51] <frank__> mrmist: to chek if 3d acceleration is working:   glxinfo | grep direct
[07:51] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: I am also running amd64, not 386
[07:51] <mrmist> it's "Yes"
[07:51] <frank__> mrmist: then 3D is working
[07:52] <mrmist> frank__: wee :)
[07:52] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: run uname -a (and whatever kernel you are using install the relevent restricted modules)
[07:52] <chavo> mrmist, yes you can get drop shadows
[07:52] <Desh> Ok, if there is a fix for my ATI card for nForce2 chipsets, and I have an nForce3 chipset, should I apply that fix anyways?
[07:52] <mrmist> chavo: know how ?
[07:52] <synmoo> should I just duplicate the universe line in sources.list and change it to multiverse?
[07:52] <h3sp4wn> Desh: What is the fix ? (I have an nforce2 which crashed on shutdown often)
[07:52] <chavo> mrmist, first you have to make sure that the composite extension is loaded in your xorg.conf
[07:52] <Desh> h3sp4wn: FOr the ATI 3d acceleration
[07:53] <Desh> h3sp4wn: If you have an nforce2 chipset motherboard or if your Xorg.0.log reveals troubles when initialising AGP, put this in the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[07:53] <mrmist> chavo: All distros have the extension installed by default ?
[07:53] <ultm8> hi again everybody this is just a general question how do you install the latest ATI drivers in kubuntu?
[07:53] <chavo> mrmist, I don't thinks so
[07:53] <Desh> ultm8: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> Desh: I thought you ment a patch for the fglrx kernel module - that should be fine (I use that anyway)
[07:53] <mrmist> does kubuntu then ?
[07:54] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Wait, you use what?
[07:54] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: should I just duplicate the universe line in sources.list and change it to multiverse?
[07:54] <chavo> I don't believe it does mrmist
[07:54] <ultm8> thanks desh your a star will have a look at the file :D brb
[07:54] <Desh> h3sp4wn: I have followed the steps of the HowTo but I still get mesa as my OpenGL
[07:54] <Desh> ultm8: No porblem
[07:55] <Desh> *problem
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> Desh: do cat /etc/modules (see whether fglrx is in there)
[07:55] <Desh> It is. I added it manually.
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> Is it in the output of lsmod ?
[07:55] <mrmist> chavo: it's the "libxcomposite1"package then !?
[07:55] <chavo> mrmist, no you just have to enable it in your xorg.conf
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: just add multiverse to every line with universe in and it will be fine after sudo aptitude update
[07:56] <Desh> h3sp4wn: fglrx                 388908  0
[07:56] <Desh> Where is Xorg.0.log?
[07:56] <mrmist> hmm
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> Desh: /var/log
[07:56] <Desh> Thanks. :)
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> Desh: I would use that line anyway in the device "fglrx" section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Option      "UseInternalAGPGART" "no")
[07:57] <chavo> mrmist, look for something like this in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15319
[07:57] <mrmist> chavo: it wouldn't be an idea to install xgl instead ?
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> Desh: Driver "fglrx" sorry
[07:57] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Yeah, I am checking the log just in case but I will probably add it, thanks. :)
[07:58] <chavo> mrmist, sure you could try it
[07:58] <mrmist> chavo: isn't it any good yet ?
[07:58] <chavo> it's still a little buggy but I use it
[07:59] <mrmist> I'll try rebooting then
[07:59] <mrmist> bbl
[08:01] <mrmist> chavo: it worked :) hurray :D
[08:01] <Desh> h3sp4wn: umm, I have to Device sections and both have a Driver "fglrx" section
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> Desh: Are you using two screens ?
[08:02] <Hawkwind> Anyone know if there is an Ultima 4 clone for Kubuntu ?  I know Mandriva which I come from has xu4 and xu4-data but I see nothing like that in apt-cache search.
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Did you ever finish ultima IV ?
[08:03] <Desh> h3sp4wn: No
[08:03] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: I finish it about every 2 - 3 days currently :P
[08:03] <JasonL> yay, i found how to set msn PMs
[08:03] <Hawkwind> I play it every single day of my life :)
[08:04] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I had it on sega master system - managed to get all the stones / characters and stuff just never finished the abyss
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> Desh: Does you graphics card have two outputs ?
[08:05] <Desh> h3sp4wn: can I PM you both sections? it's not very long.
[08:05] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Heh.  I've been playing since it first came out in 1984 on the Commodore 64.  I still have a copy for the C64 I still play quite a bit :)
[08:05] <cbglasgow> playing what
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> Desh: Ok
[08:05] <Hawkwind> cbglasgow: Ultima 4
[08:06] <cbglasgow> oh
[08:06] <Hawkwind> I'm looking for a version of it for Kubuntu
[08:06] <Hawkwind> But I can't seem to find one.  Looks like I might have to compile it from sourceforge
[08:06] <cbglasgow> i got a question....anyone else have trouble playing DVDs with Kaffeine?
[08:07] <robotgeek> cbglasgow: have you installed libdvdcss?
[08:07] <cbglasgow> no, why would i need that?
[08:07] <cbglasgow> to unscramble css?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> To play DVDs
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Right ;_)
[08:07] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: rebooting. Here goes nothing.
[08:07] <cbglasgow> how do i get it?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:08] <synmoo> h3sp4wm: holy sh*t if effin works.
[08:08] <cbglasgow> Daskreech, how do i get libdvdcss?
[08:09] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: thanks for the help!
[08:09] <jwat> how do you open another user's Desktop folder with Konqueror.  I get permissions errors when I try
[08:10] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell cbglasgow about DVD
[08:10] <DaSkreech> jwat: You aren't allowed to play around in oter people's home folders
[08:11] <jwat> bah!  what about administrators
[08:11] <cbglasgow> thanks alot Daskreech
[08:11] <jwat> how do I copy a file from my desktop to another user's desktop?
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Sure
[08:11] <DaSkreech> jwat: If you are an admin you can help yourself to the rights
[08:11] <DaSkreech> try sudo cp
[08:12] <jwat> did that.  I can't list the files in the dir
[08:12] <Chousuke> get a root shell
[08:12] <Chousuke> do sudo -s
[08:12] <jwat> Booya!
[08:14] <DaSkreech> remember Don't use this for evil!
[08:14] <DaSkreech> With Great power comes great responsibility andusually a silly spandex suit
[08:14] <zAo^> is there a way to use the "back" button on my mouse without evdev?
[08:16] <Desh> How do you see what kernel you are running?
[08:16] <Desh> grep | ???
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> uname -a
[08:17] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks.
[08:18] <kronoz> uname -r
[08:18] <kronoz> specifically
[08:18] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Why was the name of OO.o changed?
[08:21] <neuron_> chavo: any chance of you being there?
[08:21] <chavo> yes I'm here
[08:21] <neuron_> yay
[08:22] <neuron_> i finaly updated to dapper
[08:22] <chavo> cool
[08:22] <neuron_> and installed xgl
[08:22] <neuron_> but it freezes when i login
[08:22] <neuron_> and the windows have no borders, or titlebars
[08:22] <DaSkreech> kwin isn't running
[08:23] <neuron_> i`m in a failsafe terminal rigt now
[08:23] <noteventime> neuron_: gnome-window-manager
[08:23] <gan|y|med> hallo
[08:23] <chavo> neuron_, alright well first off did you enable the quinstorm repos?
[08:23] <chavo> because the stuff in ubuntu repos is pretty old
[08:23] <neuron_> i folowed the howto on the forum
[08:23] <neuron_> w8 a sec, let me see if i find the link
[08:24] <neuron_> !xgl
[08:24] <ubotu> well, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[08:24] <knoppix> hi all
[08:24] <Drakeson> when it will be possible to have a (broken) kde4 desktop through apt-get?
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: Soon as you roll a deb :-)
[08:25] <chavo> neuron_, I'm updatin the kubuntu wiki today-> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CompositeManager/InstallingCompiz?highlight=%28compiz%29
[08:25] <DaSkreech> However I doubt that woud be possible even through Edgy's life cycle
[08:26] <neuron_> this is whai i folowed: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=845077
[08:26] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: it is possible to get qt4 and some development stuff now
[08:26] <neuron_> what*
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[08:26] <neuron_> i did exactly what i said there
[08:26] <DaSkreech> http://planet.kde.org
[08:26] <Drakeson> I just don't know how to build (yet)
[08:27] <DaSkreech> they have had a couple of the devs mentioning that you can have KDE up and running with all qt4 stuff since last week
[08:27] <chavo> neuron_, ok so xgl is running?
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: Wait KDE4 or just qt4?
[08:27] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: KDE4
[08:27] <neuron_> well
[08:28] <Hawkwind> Anyone have a how-to for doing twinview with Nvidia in Kubuntu by chance ?
[08:28] <Drakeson> yeah, I read planet of course
[08:28] <douglas_> Do you always have to run make install to run a binary or can you just find the binary after you ran make and try it out? I want to try out kdevelop 3.4 beta 1 but I don't want to install it. I'm building it right now.
[08:28] <neuron_> when i login, i sometimes see some efects, but windows have no borders or titlebars and nothing works
[08:28] <chavo> ok
[08:28] <Hawkwind> I'm about to make the switch of my main OS to Kubuntu from Mandriva and was wondering if I could keep my same xorg.conf file ?
[08:28] <gan|y|med> does anybody know of significant changes from php4 to 5?
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: Yup you can get it running
[08:28] <kronoz> Hawkwind, maybe
[08:28] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: how?
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: It's the same thing as KDE 3.5.3 though
[08:29] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: You are better off just saving it somewhere and manually applying the changes
[08:29] <DaSkreech> No difference yet
[08:29] <kronoz> Hawkwind, why do you need to? nvidia/ati drivers?
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Except the libraries
[08:29] <neuron_> chavo: so what could the problem be?
[08:29] <Hawkwind> kronoz: I run Nvidia on this box and I use dual/twinview monitors
[08:29] <chavo> neuron_, open up a konsole and try running gnome-window-decorator
[08:29] <Hawkwind> kronoz: So once I have the Nvidia drivers installed, I need to setup both monitors
[08:29] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: that's enough for me to begin
[08:30] <neuron_> well, i`m in failsafe right now
[08:30] <Drakeson> just don't dare to build the thing at first place
[08:30] <neuron_> that didnt do enything
[08:30] <neuron_> i didnt respect that order of commands
[08:31] <neuron_> i did apt get install xx yy zz
[08:31] <kronoz> Hawkwind, the is a config dialog for dual screen in the Dispaly KControl module in Kubuntu
[08:31] <kronoz> s/the/there
[08:31] <chavo> neuron_, no errors in the console?
[08:31] <neuron_> and while they were installing i modified xorg,con and the other files
[08:31] <Hawkwind> kronoz: Ah ok.    I use E17
[08:33] <Hawkwind> kronoz: I don't mind KDE, just I prefer E17 once I can get it installed
[08:34] <kronoz> Hawkwind, ah cool
[08:34] <Hawkwind> chavo: So I can replace the one that Kubuntu makes for me with the one from my Mandriva backups and I won't have any issues ?
[08:34] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: I have almost no knowledge of the build system (cmake) and that's a barrier of entry for me now. If one of the devs would be generous and setup a deb + deb-src I would be _very_ happy
[08:34] <chavo> Hawkwind, yeah as long as it's not a very old version of X on there
[08:34] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: nevermind ;)
[08:34] <zoohouse> f
[08:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:34] <Hawkwind> chavo: No.  It's 6.9 as Mandriva 2006 is pretty current
[08:34] <chavo> Hawkwind, back up the original one first, just in casew
[08:35] <chavo> yeah that'll work, you amy have to check the FILES section though
[08:35] <neuron_> brb, restarting x
[08:36] <chavo> Hawkwind, just compare them first or paste the Files section from your kubuntu xorg.conf into your mandriva
[08:36] <_jwat> anyone know how to correct this "Unlocking Failed" error when switching between sessions?
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Really if you want to play with that you should hang around #debian (unfriendly) or #kde (inert) :-)
[08:36] <Hawkwind> chavo: Yeah if it doesn't work I'll have the original as a backup none the less :)
[08:36] <chavo> yes
[08:37] <zoohouse> Is there an app out there for keeping track of USA Treasury Bonds?
[08:38] <Hawkwind> chavo: Do you run twinview with Nvidia on Kubuntu by chance ?
[08:38] <chavo> Hawkwind, yes
[08:38] <Drakeson> ubuntu is almost debian-unstable_branch-friendly ;)
[08:38] <Hawkwind> chavo: Would you mind putting your xorg.conf in pastebin for me so I can have a copy to look at ?
[08:39] <chavo> sure just a sec
[08:39] <chavo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15324
[08:39] <Hawkwind> chavo: Many thanks
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> Drakeson: What do you mean ?
[08:39] <Drakeson> the irc channel I mean
[08:40] <chavo> I'm working on an app that let's you pastebin from klipper, that's how I pasted it so quick :)
[08:40] <comp241> hi all
[08:40] <Hawkwind> chavo: So 1280x1024 on one monitor, and 1440x900 on the other ?
[08:40] <chavo> Hawkwind, I've got a 19" and a 19" widescreenh
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> Drakeson: I want #ubuntu+1 to reopened there is less in it and its usually more interesting questions
[08:40] <comp241> I'm a fairly new linux user and seem to have messed up my kubuntu boot process...  is this the right place to ask for help?
[08:40] <Hawkwind> chavo: Very nice!  Both of mine only do up to 1024x768 as they are 15"
[08:41] <Hawkwind> But I can't live without dual monitors since I went to at Christmas
[08:41] <ahmeni> Anyone here gotten LIRC to work with the current kernel?
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> Drakeson: Some of the debian unstable are pretty helpful if you ask sensible questions (and have searched for it)
[08:42] <Drakeson> h3sp4wn: edgy is a bit young for that, I assume ;)  maybe a matter of 1-2 month(s)
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> Drakeson: You can get the edgy kernel now from the git repository
[08:43] <Drakeson> yes, but ubuntu is more friendly even to my grandma ;)
[08:43] <comp241> Anyone knowledgeable about the boot process and might be able to help a noob?
[08:43] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: after UBZ
[08:43] <chavo> h3sp4wn, #ubuntu+1 is alive
[08:43] <chavo> well relatively
[08:43] <Sc[_] tt> good afternoon all
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> Thats good (I was forwarded to #ubuntu this morning)
[08:44] <DaSkreech> comp241: This is the right place to ask in general
[08:44] <comp241> thx
[08:44] <chavo> yeah and the edgy repos are alive also
[08:44] <comp241> I'm getting the following: run-init: /sbin/init: error 80
[08:44] <comp241> Then a Kernel Panic (tried to kill init)
[08:44] <comp241> It has me stumped...  I tried google but got nothing.
[08:44] <Drakeson> chavo: they are 2.6.16 ?
[08:45] <chavo> no kernerl upgrades yet
[08:45] <DaSkreech> comp241: When did this happen?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> chavo: Course that means you can install it on the PS3 when it comes out :)
[08:45] <comp241> I ran adept and did a full upgrade which gave me a new kernel.  Rebooted and voila.
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Cell suppport :)
[08:45] <comp241> I probably messed something up (I'm a klutz) but I don't know what.
[08:45] <chavo> comp241, sorry wasn't talking to you
[08:46] <DaSkreech> chavo: I was
[08:46] <Sc[_] tt> on any usa server i try to dl the alternate iso, it gets about 20 mb then it drops me "connection reset by server"... i've tried three internet connections and 3 different boxes, the same thing, any ideas?  i'm now dl'ing it from uk, but that'll take 3 days and a case of oreos to wait for it, instead of the 30 minutes from a us server
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> chavo: I am not foolish enough to try running it yet I don't think
[08:46] <chavo> h3sp4wn, I've got another partition set up for it, updating in a chroot right now
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> chavo: Is there an edgy version of debootstrap then ?
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> chavo: Or did you just manually add it
[08:47] <crimsun> you have to --override-config
[08:48] <crimsun> the debootstrap package hasn't been updated yet
[08:48] <neuron_> chavo: i`m still having problems, the display manager seems to crash
[08:48] <drcurl> hi
[08:48] <neuron_> the screen is full of nonresponding windows
[08:48] <chavo> neuron_, ok let's back up a little
[08:49] <drcurl> there is no more multiverse commented entry in dapper?
[08:49] <chavo> neuron_, waht card do you have again?
[08:49] <neuron_> i got a taskbar in failsafe now tho, but still now titlebar/borders
[08:49] <neuron_> okay, wait a sec
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: thx
[08:49] <drcurl> Can I just copy the universe entry and replace universe by multiverse?
[08:49] <drcurl> in adept?
[08:50] <neuron_> chavo: where could i get the card name string from?
[08:51] <Sc[_] tt> 8% ater 2 hours wooohoo, i'm movin along now!
[08:52] <jwat> so...anyone know anything about the "Unlocking failed" error when attempting to unlock a locked session?
[08:52] <neuron_> chavo: this is hat ive got GeForce4 Ti 4200
[08:52] <neuron_> well, i gtg to eat now, i`ll brb
[08:52] <chavo> neuron_, alright that should work
[08:52] <comp241> Anyone have any ideas about my boot problem?  run-init: /sbin/init: error 80?
[08:53] <chavo> ok I'll be around for a little while
[08:54] <comp241> Well, if anyone thinks they may be able to help, please let me know.
[08:55] <amy_> I have a question
[08:55] <amy_> I just installed the new kubuntu
[08:55] <amy_> and am needing to know where to go to get programs and how to install them
[08:55] <mrmist> I'm having problems with the i686 kernel on a "Centrino Duo Core" processor
[08:55] <amy_> I am needing a advanced graphic editor
[08:55] <kkathman> amy_:  its done through adept
[08:56] <kkathman> K-menu, system, adept
[08:56] <amy_> ok
[08:56] <chavo> amy_, you should have kate, which is pretty nice
[08:56] <DaSkreech> drcurl: Yes
[08:56] <Drakeson> amy_: does inkscape do for you?
[08:56] <chavo> oh graphic my bad
[08:56] <kkathman> amy_:  but if you need a graphics editor, i.e. for pictures...try Krita...for text...try Kate
[08:57] <DaSkreech> amy_: You may want to try kate :)
[08:57] <shawn__> ive installed azureus and sun-java5-bin via apt but it wont start:
[08:57] <DaSkreech> Oh wait Graphic :-)
[08:57] <shawn__> Starting Azureus...
[08:57] <shawn__> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[08:57] <shawn__> ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[08:57] <shawn__> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[08:57] <shawn__> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[08:57] <kkathman> Krita
[08:57] <slow-motion> re
[08:57] <shawn__> ... any idea?
[08:57] <kkathman> amy_:  you can also try GIMP if you wish also, but its a bit counter intuitive :)
[08:57] <mrmist> amy_: Gimp is the most Photoshop-like program I think
[08:58] <amy_> ok
[08:58] <kkathman> its NOT like Photoshop..lets not kid ourselves :)
[08:58] <kkathman> but its the closest thing...within a few million miles :)
[08:58] <mrmist> amy_: A bit strange GUI on GIMP though... I wish someone would make a better "theme" for it
[08:58] <mrmist> hehe... yeah, I guess. I don't like the "floating frame" gui
[08:58] <kkathman> mmist thats why I suggested Krita to her...a bit easier interface
[08:59] <v3ctor> i find gimp very easy to use...but i have never used photoshop
[08:59] <drcurl> thanks Drakeson
[08:59] <Drakeson> amy_: if you are looking to replace photoshop currently gimp can do it. if you need something for vector graphics you better use inkscape now
[08:59] <camX> Hi Kubuntus I just installed Kubuntu
[08:59] <mrmist> Alternatively one could run photoshop with WINE
[08:59] <kkathman> v3ctor:  a bicycle is a great mode of transportation if you havent got a ferrari
[08:59] <chavo> me too I like the Gimp, but then again I'm not a pro graphics guy
[09:00] <kkathman> gimp might be too much for a person that's "Just installed Kubuntu"
[09:00] <uniq> camx: hi, congratulations, how do you like it?
[09:00] <camX> I want to run a vt100 emulator - any ideas ?
[09:00] <v3ctor> kkathman: ferrari is a waste of time to go 2 blocks
[09:00] <chavo> but I've been using it for years
[09:00] <kkathman> v3ctor:  but if you had it, you would :)
[09:00] <kkathman> hehe
[09:00] <kkathman> you KNOW you would :)
[09:00] <comp241> Sorry to be a pest but anyone have an idea about my run-init: /sbin/init: error 80 problem?
[09:00] <camX> uniq, very smooth install
[09:00] <v3ctor> doubt it...i don;t like cars
[09:00] <v3ctor> they are a waste of money
[09:00] <aseigo> it's not so much that photoshop is a ferrari it's that it doesn't require you to smash your fingers in the door to turn the motor on
[09:01] <amy_> ok
[09:01] <amy_> I just couldn't stand windows anymore and had tried kubuntu a year ago and decided ti was time to go back to it
[09:01] <kkathman> oh..well I'd say you might be a bit counter-culture then and GIMP would be the tool for you :)
[09:01] <uniq> camx: use konsole.
[09:01] <rverrips> Hiyee - I'm having problems setting up KMAIL (i.e Kontact) to see my folders on a courier-imap server - They show as subfolders of INBOX, and no messages in them, even though I've setup INBOX. as the personal namespace?
[09:01] <drcurl> what about krita?
[09:01] <uniq> camx: great. glad you like it :)
[09:01] <v3ctor> lol
[09:01] <Drakeson> hi aseigo
[09:01] <camX> uniq: how do I dial my university
[09:02] <aseigo> krita is great for basic tasks... it's absolutely rocketted along in the last 18 months, though ... i expect 2.0 to be pretty much everything i'd need =)
[09:02] <aseigo> Drakeson: yo
[09:02] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Do you have 3d acceleration?
[09:02] <uniq> camx: i wouldn't know, as i don't know how your university setup is.
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> Desh: yes
[09:02] <v3ctor> i have been trying to use krita a lot lately..it is not bad
[09:02] <JasonL> can someone please help with my problem
[09:02] <camX> uniq: I need to run a screen editor through a direct dial modem connection
[09:02] <uniq> jasonl: what is your problem?
[09:02] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Well, can you PM me what the output of fglrxinfo is for you?
[09:03] <JasonL> ok, when i try and end the session, i get back to the kubuntu screen with the blue loading bar and white text
[09:03] <uniq> camx: i have no experience with that kind of setup. sorry.
[09:03] <Drakeson> currently gimp is better to use and if you customize the keybindings it can be acceptable, but in the future krita is a strong competitor
[09:03] <JasonL> but there is no white text, and the loading bar does nothing
[09:03] <drcurl> aseigo, I was wondering, what kinda editor do a top KDE dev use to code, kate?
[09:03] <aseigo> camX: minicom
[09:03] <DaSkreech> amy_: Welcome!
[09:03] <amy_> prety much what I am needing is crw image conversion to jpeg and a better format of printing
[09:04] <amy_> ty
[09:04] <JasonL> the only thing i can do is reset my pc
[09:04] <aseigo> drcurl: i use vim and kwrite, depending on my mood =)
[09:04] <aseigo> drcurl: a lot of us use just emacs or vim though
[09:04] <uniq> jasonl: yes, the one you see at boot?
[09:04] <DaSkreech> See the fact I have no idea waht crw images are means I should step out of this convo :)
[09:04] <JasonL> yes
[09:04] <JasonL> and shutdown
[09:04] <Drakeson> amy_: I am not sure but convert might help you (a command line)
[09:04] <amy_> canon raw photos
[09:04] <JasonL> where all the process are started and ended
[09:05] <JasonL> not the one where kde is loading
[09:05] <ultm8> dam how to register again
[09:05] <DaSkreech> amy_: You may want to look at digikam
[09:05] <uniq> jasonl: yes. it's called usplash.
[09:05] <uniq> ubotu: tell ultm8 about register
[09:05] <Desh> h3sp4wn: besides the instructions on the ati HowTo and that line you added, was there anything else you did?
[09:05] <Drakeson> aseigo: oh! I could have betted that you use emacs
[09:05] <JasonL> i thought it might be
[09:05] <aseigo> camX: it's a console app that does what you need rather well
[09:05] <amy_> ok
[09:05] <JasonL> but why does it just hang there when i end my current session
[09:05] <aseigo> Drakeson: personally, i hate emacs *shudder*
[09:06] <JasonL> why am i not taken to the login screen
[09:06] <camX> aseigo: thanks I try it
[09:06] <DaSkreech> aseigo: vi>
[09:06] <aseigo> camX: you may need to run it with `sudo minicom` (at least the first time) when it first starts up hit ctrl+a then 'z'
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> Desh: No that was when I was using the ubuntu kernel (I am now using a rt patched version of 2.6.16) I added the ubuntu version of highmem.h to the ati installer source (It was a pretty ugly hack)
[09:06] <aseigo> camX: that will get you to the configuration and help 'window'
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Desh: With 2.6.15 it worked fine
[09:07] <uniq> jasonl: did you try to hit ctrl+alt+f7 ?
[09:07] <Desh> h3sp4wn: So for my 2.6.15 it should work fine?
[09:07] <JasonL> no
[09:07] <JasonL> what does that do?
[09:07] <ultm8> desh you there?
[09:07] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Maybe if I turned off Video overlay and used OpenGL overlay?
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> Desh: I am using the opengl overlay
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> Desh: I think that is what it defaults to if neither of those two lines are present
[09:08] <uniq> jasonl: that changes to KDM if it's running. KDM is the login manager. where you login.
[09:08] <JasonL> how come it does not do it automatically though
[09:08] <ultm8> am confused desh
[09:08] <Drakeson> aseigo: I had a few questions, I can remember just one now. I can guess that you have considered various things for saving desktop sessions. is there a chance that we get a svg-like format for the desktop?
[09:09] <Desh> ultm8: PM me
[09:09] <neuron_> abak
[09:09] <neuron_> back
[09:09] <ultm8> i registered but says i can private message until i registe
[09:09] <ultm8> r
[09:09] <neuron_> so, what could be the problem?
[09:09] <uniq> ultm8: did you identify to nickserv?
[09:09] <ultm8> probably not
[09:09] <ultm8> how do i do this?
[09:09] <Desh> ultm8: /nickserv identify <password>
[09:09] <neuron_> chavo: have you ever bumped into thos problem?
[09:10] <ultm8> ok
[09:10] <chavo> neuron_, with older version of compiz yes
[09:10] <ultm8> cool am in
[09:10] <chavo> neuron_, what does compiz --version say
[09:10] <ultm8> thanks am back
[09:10] <camX> another wee problem, easyubuntu locked /var/lib/dpkg
[09:10] <kbrooks_> camX: no it didnt
[09:11] <neuron_> chavo: compiz 0.0.13-quinn1
[09:11] <neuron_> chavo: is this right?
[09:11] <chavo> alright that's the latest
[09:11] <kbrooks_> camX: easyubuntu uses apt-get
[09:11] <uniq> kbrooks_: how can you be so sure it didn't ? :)
[09:11] <chavo> neuron_, you have got xgl running correct?
[09:11] <neuron_> dont know
[09:11] <neuron_> but i think so
[09:11] <kbrooks_> uniq: the application it uses underneath does that
[09:11] <drcurl> bye all
[09:12] <JasonL> uniq i will try it now
[09:12] <camX> well it is not letting me apt-get install minicom because it says /var/lib/dpkg is being used
[09:12] <uniq> kbrooks_: sure, but easyubuntu can do evil stuff that makes dpkg lock and hold the package database.
[09:12] <kbrooks_> uniq: hmmm.
[09:13] <kbrooks_> camX: look at your log window
[09:13] <uniq> camx: 'sudo fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock' - that will tell you what is using the package database.
[09:13] <neuron_> chavo: i think xgl is runing
[09:13] <neuron_> but everything crashes
[09:13] <uniq> camx: to kill it you can use 'sudo fuser -vk /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[09:13] <kbrooks_> camX: easyubuntu log window, i mean
[09:13] <egonw> chavo: is KDE 3.5.3 on xgl + kubuntu dapper + nvidia supposed to work?
[09:14] <chavo> egonw, it's not officially supported, but it works
[09:14] <camX> uniq: thanks just killed it
[09:14] <chavo> egonw, I'm working on the wiki right now, or trying too :)
[09:14] <egonw> chavo: just tried it... but applets where not docked into kicker, and konquer/amarok windows never showed up...
[09:14] <camX> dpkg --configure -a
[09:14] <egonw> chavo: ok, let me know the link...
[09:14] <egonw> when you're ready
[09:15] <camX> oops sorry
[09:15] <chavo> egonw, you need a newer version of xgl and compiz. the one in dapper repos is too old
[09:15] <egonw> (thanx for your comment already!)
[09:15] <neuron_> chavo: i got 1.5ghz sepron with 768mb ram, is thi enough?
[09:15] <neuron_> chavo: should i compile from cvs?
[09:15] <chavo> neuron_, should be good enough and no need to compile from cvs
[09:16] <JasonL> uniq, that bought up a blinking cursor in the top left, and it still did nothing
[09:16] <chavo> neuron_, the compiz package was built from recent cvs
[09:16] <camX> oops now I'm getting sun-java5-bin needs to be reinstalled
[09:17] <neuron_> chavo: i did something stupid i think, i followed the howto untill the part where compiz, xgl and the other stuff were downloaded and installed, while they were installing i moved on to the next step modifing files
[09:17] <nico8481> re
[09:17] <chavo> neuron_, shouldn't matter
[09:18] <JasonL> uniq could it be my xorg.conf file, because i edited that to add my monitors vert and horiz refresh rate
[09:18] <chavo> neuron_, you're using kdm right?
[09:18] <neuron_> after installing was done, and the files were modified i restarted x, it crashed, and then i enterd in failsafe and did sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:18] <neuron_> chavo: yes
[09:20] <Timmy_> penis
[09:20] <egonw> well, that was 38 seconds well spent
[09:21] <aseigo> Drakeson: define "for the desktop"?
[09:21] <neuron_> well, this is dissapointing :(
[09:21] <neuron_> i realy want xgl
[09:22] <chavo> neuron_, pastebin your xorg.conf
[09:22] <Drakeson> aseigo: where you currently save the icon positions, ...
[09:22] <neuron_> i`ll try
[09:22] <camX> ok sudo apt-get install fixed java - thanks all
[09:23] <aseigo> Drakeson: the icon on the desktop concept is going away completely.
[09:23] <amy__> ok so what other programs are a must have for kubuntu
[09:23] <aseigo> Drakeson: you'll still be able to put icons there but it's going to be a lot more like the way the panel is handled than the current "desktop as a limited function file browser" stupidity
[09:23] <chavo> amy_ anything with a K in it :)
[09:24] <Drakeson> yeah I know that, so I guess the objects on the desktop would have way to describe their position, style, ...
[09:25] <camX> OO
[09:25] <neuron_> chavo: http://pastebin.com/768051
[09:25] <Drakeson> aseigo: and the style would somehow be seperated from other data
[09:25] <lisoe> hi
[09:25] <amy__> hi lisoe
[09:25] <lisoe> can windows and linux use the same partition for virtual memory?
[09:25] <neuron_> lisoe: no
[09:26] <ultm8> hey it worked desh
[09:26] <neuron_> lisoe: windows has a file on every partition with the pagefile
[09:26] <lisoe> mkay
[09:26] <lisoe> ah
[09:26] <Drakeson> aseigo: and I am thinking that it might be a good idea to be able to actually draw on the desktop
[09:26] <lisoe> thanks (:
[09:26] <camX> how do I tell which tty my modem is on ?
[09:26] <neuron_> np
[09:26] <hektisk> Hello.  Often times, when I go to System Settings->Display and try to log into 'Administrator Mode' the box asking me for the root password doesn't appear.  The AM button becomes grayed out, and there's a red outline around where the tabs/settings should be, but there's nothing there and there's no way to log in
[09:27] <aseigo> Drakeson: "actually draw" <-- define?
[09:27] <neuron_> camX: thersa a command that any modem would respond to, but i forgot it
[09:27] <noteventime> :( k3b doesn't burn
[09:27] <aseigo> Drakeson: you mean the user draw like a paint app, or...?
[09:27] <Desh> ultm8: Konsole, type fglrxinfo
[09:27] <ultm8> how can i log back into my username desh so we can pm
[09:27] <ultm8> lol
[09:28] <noteventime>  /msg Nickserv identify PASS
[09:28] <Desh> ultm8: /nickserv identify <mapp>
[09:28] <chavo> neuron_, xorg.conf looks good, patebin your /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[09:28] <Desh> *pass
[09:28] <neuron_> okay
[09:28] <phreak____> I need someone who's running KDE to try to replicate a bug for me
[09:28] <ubuntu> hola
[09:28] <beavis> im trying to install the flash player for the kunqueror and it asks where the browser is , does anyone where to install the flash player?
[09:28] <phreak____> Try to rename a folder with a . in front of it to make it invisible in Konqueror, while your in the containing dir...
[09:28] <noteventime> phreak____, sure
[09:28] <ubuntu> Hola alguien me puee decir que es esto
[09:29] <lisoe> how large should i make the swap-partition? will half a GB do?
[09:29] <Drakeson> aseigo: I mean putting text/custom images, lines, arrows on the desktop
[09:29] <neuron_> chavo: http://pastebin.com/768064
[09:29] <chavo> neuron_, also too make sure you've got everything run a -> sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:29] <noteventime> phreak____, rename inside konqueror?
[09:29] <rverrips> >lisoe - How much ram do you have?  usually a good idea is same ammount of swap as ram ...
[09:29] <daphreak07> yah
[09:29] <daphreak07> it crashes the window for me
[09:30] <noteventime> daphreak07, works here :/
[09:30] <lisoe> ah, ok. a whole gigabyte, then
[09:30] <daphreak07> are you running AMD64?
[09:30] <daphreak07> or x86
[09:30] <aseigo> daphreak07: works here. how are you changing the name? right click -> rename?
[09:30] <daphreak07> yah
[09:30] <daphreak07> rather than simply dissapear, it crashes
[09:30] <noteventime> amd64 on x86 ubuntu
[09:30] <beavis> im trying to install the flash player for the kunqueror and it asks where the browser is , does anyone where to install the flash player?
[09:31] <noteventime> opteron to be precise :)
[09:31] <daphreak07> hmmm
[09:31] <noteventime> beavis, from apt
[09:31] <Drakeson> aseigo: once I played with the kwin window-workaround settings and made an inkscape session full-screen and tried to think how is it. I think it is a strong way to manage the desktop
[09:32] <aseigo> Drakeson: ah, you mean as an object canvas that has more than just icons?
[09:32] <beavis> noteventime: no , i downloaded the flash player from the macromedia website
[09:32] <neuron_> chavo: there are some things updating, and they all are from xgl.xompiz.info
[09:32] <neuron_> finished updating
[09:32] <rackerz> can someone help me setup incoming/outgoing webcam in kopete?
[09:32] <noteventime> beavis, Why not get it from apt?
[09:32] <Drakeson> aseigo: yes, plus a basic drawing functionality
[09:32] <beavis> i dont know the command
[09:32] <neuron_> chavo: libcairo2,libcairo2,libcairo2 and libsvg-cairo
[09:33] <Drakeson> aseigo: is it going to be based on qgraphicsview?
[09:33] <neuron_> this is what was updated
[09:33] <chavo> neuron_, good
[09:33] <Aapzak> hey guys, are some of you having trouble with knetworkmanager?
[09:33] <neuron_> is my kderc good?
[09:33] <neuron_> i commented the main() in the last file too
[09:34] <samuli> what are my options for movie player in kde?
[09:34] <Aapzak> kmplayer is nice
[09:34] <samuli> looking for a fairly simple and not resource hog.
[09:35] <mrmist> to run compiz in KDE... do I install compiz-gnome at all ???
[09:36] <chavo> mrmist, yes
[09:36] <Drakeson> aseigo: being able to define areas (drawing rectangles, ... and adding meta data to objects), sorting items on one area, fixing an application window to an area, adding text, lines, connectors, ... right on the desktop, ...
[09:36] <neuron_> lol, xgl madness :D
[09:36] <chavo> neuron_, everything looks like it should work
[09:36] <amy__> ok how do I go on away in here
[09:36] <neuron_> well, it doesnt :(
[09:36] <neuron_> let me try again
[09:36] <neuron_> restarting x
[09:37] <chavo> ok but don't start compiz yet
[09:37] <chavo> woops he's gone
[09:37] <mrmist> But i CAN run KDE with compiz, right ?
[09:37] <mrmist> Or will I have to run gnome ?
[09:37] <Aapzak> I would run gnome with xgl,
[09:38] <Drakeson> mrmist: compiz is just the window manager, you can run whatever you want
[09:38] <imbrandon> mrmist: kde will be fine with compiz
[09:39] <chavo> mrmist, you need compiz-gnome because compiz-kde doesn't work yet
[09:39] <imbrandon> but compiz-gnome will work with kde
[09:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:39] <chavo> right
[09:39] <imbrandon> brb
[09:40] <haider> i got the compiz-kde to work ok
[09:40] <rackerz> can someone help me setup incoming/outgoing webcam in kopete?
[09:41] <HamishTPB> I am trying to install idjc in kubuntu 6.06 but it complains it can't find the package pygtk2 - as far as I can tell I have installed pygtk2 :/
[09:41] <lime4x4> will this command allow anyone to right to a folder in my home directory  sudo chmod r+rw /home/john/test
[09:41] <Aapzak> no
[09:41] <Aapzak> o+w
[09:41] <Aapzak> others write
[09:42] <beavis> ok , so whats the name of the library to get as the flash player for the konqurer?
[09:42] <lime4x4> k thanks
[09:43] <Aapzak> lime4x4, I made a mistake
[09:43] <noteventime> My k3b doesn't do anything, it just says starting SAO writing at 48x
[09:43] <chavo> beavis, if you extract the flash archive there's an installer script in there
[09:44] <Aapzak> no I didn't :)
[09:44] <Aapzak> I should go to bed :)   But I can't stand the network-manager is not working, it seems so nice
[09:44] <aseigo> Drakeson: one can already drag app windows around, but as for the rest .. having the desktop as a canvas with dynamic objects is what we're doing
[09:45] <aseigo> Drakeson: so to "draw a box for some icons" is completely doable .. as will be right clicking on it and saying "make these things visible on my local network"
[09:45] <Desh> Has anyone gotten a Mibility Radeon 9700 to work with fglrx?
[09:46] <beavis> chavo: yeah i run the script but it asks me where the browser is
[09:46] <Aapzak> aseigo: these are KDE4 features?
[09:46] <chavo> beavis, are you running it as root or user?
[09:46] <neuron_>  chavo: http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot18rs.jpg this is a screenshot i`ve made
[09:46] <beavis> chavo: root
[09:46] <aseigo> Aapzak: yes.
[09:46] <neuron_> i`m logged in with kde right now
[09:46] <Aapzak> sounds nice
[09:46] <neuron_> but nothing works
[09:47] <aseigo> 90% done, 90% works, 90% great
[09:47] <Drakeson> aseigo: wow! that's great. can I draw items on the desktop, and drop thom on a graphics editor one day?
[09:47] <neuron_> cant even type into conversation, good thing i got xchat
[09:47] <aseigo> Drakeson: would just require someone writing a drawing plasmoid
[09:47] <Aapzak> neuron_:  running compiz?
[09:47] <neuron_> trying
[09:47] <Calilasseia> Hello everyone ....
[09:47] <chavo> beavis, put it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/
[09:48] <Aapzak> neuron_:  in Gentoo I didn't get compiz working as nice on KDE as it does in Gnome
[09:48] <Desh> Can anyone help me with fglrx?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> aseigo: When would you want people to be running it to debug?
[09:48] <beavis> chavo:k , ty , ill try
[09:48] <Calilasseia> Anyone know where I can find tutorials on programming in C or C++ for Kubuntu/KDE?
[09:48] <neuron_> chavo, kicker is freezing
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Before or after the first "public" release?
[09:48] <Drakeson> aseigo: if am willing to start and fill in my empty page in plasma.kde wiki, but I have a nasty thesis to get rid of first
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> aseigo: I think its 100% unnecessary and (uses wpa_supplicant for the main parts)
[09:48] <Drakeson> aseigo: and I really mean it ;)
[09:48] <neuron_> Aapzak, hmmm, as nice as in gnome? have you got it working on kde at all? :D
[09:49] <noteventime> Calilasseia, yes
[09:49] <noteventime> One moment
[09:49] <Aapzak> neuron_:  I had it working in KDE, but had some minor irritating stuff.
[09:49] <aseigo> DaSkreech: tech previews will start in early fall (possibly late summer)
[09:49] <bernier> man it's incredible eventough i'm thinking I don't have any question to ask!!!!! =D
[09:49] <aseigo> Drakeson: cool.. well, once your thesis is done, be sure to do so =)
[09:49] <beavis> chavo: ok , i dont have mozilla-firefox , i dont have firefox installed , only the konquerer
[09:49] <Aapzak> neuron_:  and it runs really well on gnome
[09:49] <neuron_> i dont care if its kde or if its gnome, i just want xgl
[09:49] <DaSkreech> Right right What I'm asking is do the developers want people to start jumping in before that?
[09:49] <haider> Calilasseia: http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials/kdevelop3/ <<--- good one
[09:50] <Aapzak> neuron_:  try gnome first, tweak your config to the max and later try KDE.
[09:50] <beavis> is xgl that new window thing?
[09:50] <noteventime> Calilasseia, http://developer.kde.org/documentation/index.php
[09:50] <aseigo> h3sp4wn: oh, it's not 100% unnecessary. it's very, very convenient for those of us who pack laptops around all day between various locations
[09:50] <neuron_> i dont have a ubuntu cd atm :(
[09:50] <luix> yeah xgl is nice, just got it working =)
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Or before that they know stuff is broken please don't use it and if you do use it please don't tell us
[09:50] <neuron_> luix, on kde?
[09:51] <aseigo> h3sp4wn: but yeah ... kwifimanager actually friggin' -works- ... even wireless assistant which is prettier has issues on the "works" side
[09:51] <beavis> where can i read about xgl?
[09:51] <neuron_> !xgl
[09:51] <ubotu> xgl is, like, totally, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[09:51] <noteventime> !tell beavis about xgl
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> aseigo: You can just use wpa_cli if you need to connect to another network
[09:51] <haider> guys, what is compiz-vanilla?
[09:51] <cliebow_> anyone see krootimage crashing on ltsp terminals?
[09:51] <luix> yes on kde
[09:51] <chavo> beavis, well you can put them in /usr/lib/mozilla , just create it if it's not there.
[09:51] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: I was the one asking about network-manager
[09:51] <neuron_> chavo, have you saw the screenshot?
[09:51] <chavo> beavis, you can put it anywhere
[09:51] <Calilasseia> OK, those two websites will keep me occupied for a while ... thanks :)
[09:51] <Drakeson> aseigo: btw, do you know of any standard for desktop objects for freedesktop.org (or plan to build one)?
[09:51] <noteventime> haider, vanilla usually means unmodefied
[09:51] <chavo> and then go to the plugins page and add that directory to the search path
[09:52] <haider> noteventime: ahh, thx
[09:52] <Aapzak> haider: you need vanilla if you wish to run it on KDE
[09:52] <aseigo> h3sp4wn: using the cli is no problem. iwconfig/iwlist did it for me for a long time. it's about convenience and, most importantly, building a desktop for the general public
[09:52] <haider> Aapzak: are you sure?
[09:52] <Aapzak> yes
[09:52] <aseigo> Drakeson: the gnome people are moving to out-of-process applets and were interested in having kde adopt a similar model
[09:52] <haider> Ok, ill try! :)
[09:52] <luix> whoa whoa what's vanilla
[09:52] <Aapzak> :)
[09:52] <neuron_> chavo, kicker is not freezed, i can still get in the K menu, but it has wierd bottuns that i cant get rid of
[09:52] <luix> i'm running Xgl/Compiz and i've never touched any thing vanilla like
[09:52] <aseigo> Drakeson: but i feel (for reasons i've enumerated in detail in the past) that that is a very broken route to take. in fact, we moved -away- from that model completely in the kde3 series
[09:53] <Aapzak> luix: vanilla was introduced recently
[09:53] <luix> although i do have to use gnome-window-decorator, is vanilla a way around that?
[09:53] <aseigo> Drakeson: other than that, no, there is no such standard. it will be at least two releases of plasma before i'd be ready/comfortable to entertain the thought of writing up a spec
[09:53] <beavis> does xgl work with KDE?
[09:53] <aseigo> Drakeson: at this point i'm more interested in innovating than standardizing this aspect of the desktop
[09:53] <weedar> is nfs the preferred method to share partitions between linux machines?
[09:53] <haider> Aapzak: when i install vanilla, it removes the other compiz's!
[09:54] <Drakeson> aseigo: you are right, I understand it.
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> aseigo: I don't agree with polling the accesspoint constantly in order to provide a graph (which is meaningless anyway - as most probably the transmit and recieve antennas will be of different strengths)
[09:54] <Aapzak> yeah, you can have only one
[09:54] <beavis> does xgl work with KDE?
[09:54] <noteventime> yes
[09:54] <neuron_> not for me tho :(
[09:54] <noteventime> neuron_ not?
[09:54] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: network-manager switches networks for you when one becomes unavailable, thats nice
[09:54] <chavo> neuron_, you running kde 3.5.3?
[09:54] <beavis> alright,  now i have something new to spend 2 days trying to get to work
[09:54] <neuron_> yes
[09:55] <noteventime> beavis, getting what to work?
[09:55] <yonkeltron> is there a list of supported languages for kdevelop3?
[09:55] <Aapzak> xgl+kde
[09:55] <beavis> xgl
[09:55] <neuron_> i go tkubuntu 6.09
[09:55] <christoph66> I just installed the newest ubuntu and now I am running the kubuntu live cd (also the latest one). On both of them when I change my resolution to the 1280x1024 that the LCD takes natively my display is all borked and in a convulted way is basically showing some of the desktop but then repeats near all the side. Its like it is tiling 1024x768 (or whatever) across the screen. What gives?
[09:55] <noteventime> ahh :) sorry stupid me
[09:55] <beavis> xgl+kde haha
[09:55] <noteventime> beavis, xgl+compix+kde ;)
[09:55] <noteventime> compiz*
[09:55] <Aapzak> true, it;s about compiz
[09:55] <beavis> i dont even know what compiz is
[09:55] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> My sound isn't working how can I fix it?
[09:56] <Drakeson> aseigo: I feel the need for such standard but of course it won't happen before enough experiment. for now, perhaps having a large set of good plasmoids on kde-look might provide a force in that direction.
[09:56] <diop> can anyone tell me if the RT2570 works on dapper dist?
[09:56] <Riskbreaker> Xgl is just an Xserver with openGL, compiz is what does the special effects
[09:56] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: wireless does that automatically anyway if you just have 2 accesspoints on the same ssid but different channels i.e 1 and 13 (100 ms or so to switch always uses the strongest)
[09:56] <haider> beavis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=845077
[09:56] <Aapzak> compiz is what we all call xgl, the eyecandy window manager
[09:56] <noteventime> beavis, Compiz does all those nice effects
[09:56] <neuron_> gnome-window-decoration doesnt do anything
[09:56] <diop> i compile ntimes the source for the drivers and nothing
[09:56] <chavo> neuron_, gnome-window-decorator
[09:56] <beavis> ohhh , yeah , does it work with ati cards?
[09:56] <neuron_> yup, typo, sorry
[09:56] <noteventime> beavis, What ATI card?
[09:56] <diop> one week on it and no results
[09:56] <beavis> any guides out there for getting the xgl ? x850xt
[09:56] <Drakeson> aseigo: when do you recommend to start building/porting plasmoids?
[09:57] <neuron_> i can even right-click on the desktop
[09:57] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: network-manager does also switch to eth or other essids
[09:57] <neuron_> but i cant move windows
[09:57] <neuron_> or anything
[09:57] <noteventime> beavis, :/ moment I will take a look if it works
[09:57] <neuron_> and kicker seems to act strange
[09:57] <noteventime> I doubt is does
[09:57] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: thats convience I like a lot, I just want it to work
[09:57] <cliebow_> http://www.google.com
[09:57] <neuron_> i cant type in some textboxes
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: Are you using atheros ?
[09:57] <Aapzak> ralink
[09:57] <Aapzak> 2500
[09:58] <chavo> neuron_, run kwin --replace to get your window decorations bak
[09:58] <Aapzak> it's tough finding a good pcmcia wifi card
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: No chance of getting it to work unless you use the 2xx from sourceforge
[09:58] <weedar> ralink are great
[09:58] <noteventime> beavis, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL#ATI_Cards
[09:58] <diop> Aapzak: i think we have the same pb
[09:58] <weedar> the drivers work and also support WPA without you needing wpa-supplicant, just FYI
[09:58] <beavis> noteventime:  thanks man , so u running xgl?
[09:58] <diop> weedar:  how
[09:58] <diop> ??
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> weedar: But the radios are poor quality
[09:59] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: I also have a linksys acx111 card here
[09:59] <weedar> h3sp4wn: I haven't really had any worse experience with them than with Belkin
[09:59] <chavo> neuron_, did you run kwin --replace ?
[09:59] <diop> one week on it and no results till now
[09:59] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: which seems to be even crapier
[09:59] <noteventime> beavis, not until i get a new vga cooler
[09:59] <weedar> diop: check out the rt2500 page on wiki.ubuntu.com - I'm the one using the "third" recipe for WPA
[09:59] <neuron_> yup
[09:59] <neuron_> that worked
[09:59] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> My sound isn't working how can I fix it? AmaroK works but the system sounds don't. How can I fix it?
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is the drivers you need (to use with xext)
[09:59] <weedar> diop: all you have to do is change the settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:00] <neuron_> kicker acted a bit strange
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> weedar: He specifically wants network manager
[10:00] <diop> weedar: are you on dapper ?
[10:00] <weedar> diop: sure am
[10:00] <neuron_> everything seems to work right now
[10:00] <neuron_> but no efects
[10:00] <beavis> noteventime: what card are you using?
[10:00] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: I believe Ubuntu uses those drivers, thats what I see in dmes
[10:00] <Aapzak> g
[10:00] <weedar> h3sp4wn: ah, he wants a gui to set up WPA?
[10:01] <chavo> neuron_, yeah that just got you back to the kde window manager
[10:01] <diop> i am too but i have tried many sources but still now nothing
[10:01] <noteventime> beavis, xfx 7600GT, its to loud when the fan is on high
[10:01] <neuron_> chavo, i got a problem with the display settings
[10:01] <Aapzak> diop: I want a semi-automatic solution
[10:01] <neuron_> let me take a screenshot
[10:01] <chavo> neuron_, try running this -> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa compiz --replace gconf & gnome-window-decorator
[10:01] <neuron_> wow
[10:01] <neuron_> nice :D
[10:02] <neuron_> its works now :D
[10:02] <beavis> noteventime: yeah , the leaf blower?  i use water for cpu and the video
[10:02] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> My sound isn't working how can I fix it? AmaroK works but the system sounds don't. How can I fix it?
[10:02] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Can anyone help me?
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: Maybe it changed I dumped ralink when it all got broken in dapper (switched to atheros and now I have no problems at all)
[10:02] <lime4x4> oky i'm lost...lol i need to change this folders permission along with all it's contents i tried chmod 777 and that's not working i need to let anyone read and write to it
[10:02] <weedar> I really have trouble understanding why the people behind wlassistant, kwlan and knetworkmanager could get together to create ONE wifi-GUI
[10:02] <noteventime> beavis, Cool, thats a little outside my budget though :)
[10:02] <weedar> *couldn't
[10:02] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: what are you using now?
[10:02] <defrysk>  LiNuX_LoVeR_17 http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04s03.html
[10:02] <Aapzak> ah
[10:03] <Aapzak> atheros
[10:03] <beavis> noteventime: yeah , had it laying around in the besement from like 6 years ago , i fugured i put it to use
[10:03] <chavo> neuron_, so it's working?
[10:03] <beavis_> beavis: hi
[10:03] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: the ralink also works in windows and osx, which is why I still tolerate that thing in my machine
[10:03] <beavis> beavis_: hi
[10:03] <beavis_> beavis: you're not registered, right?
[10:04] <beavis> beavis_: nope
[10:04] <beavis_> beavis: I just wanted to check who hijacked my nick ;)
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: madwifi is opensource apart from the hal (which controls the frequency etc) - madwifi-ng apparantly works flawlessly with network manager
[10:05] <beavis> beavis_: yeah i dont register nicks
[10:05] <beavis> i just use whatever
[10:05] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: madwifi = atheros?
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: Yes
[10:05] <Aapzak> wpa2 also works?
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: Yes
[10:05] <Aapzak> kewl
[10:05] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> defrysk, I already have that and the system sounds were working at the start but now they aren't.
[10:06] <Aapzak> I'm gonna google some more tomorrow
[10:06] <lime4x4> sudo chmod 777 /home/mike/test Still won't allow another app to read or write to it
[10:06] <aseigo> Drakeson: at least not until the tech previews
[10:06] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, got amarok set to the xine engine ?
[10:07] <noteventime> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/noteventime/hmmm.jpg <- Could someone say why k3b doesn't get any further than this?
[10:07] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> defrysk, it is not amaroK that isn't working, It is it is just the system sounds that aren't.
[10:08] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, they just "stopped"?
[10:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Ya
[10:08] <gil> what is the story with all in one printers Lexmark?
[10:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> and I have tryed restarting my system multiple times
[10:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> but it hasn't come back
[10:08] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, got kopete running or someting?
[10:08] <gil> do they work in dapper?
[10:08] <noteventime> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, Try enabling full dublex
[10:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I have kmess
[10:09] <defrysk> lime4x4, listen to noteventime
[10:09] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> it still doesn't work
[10:10] <neuron_> chavo, i got it working for a moment
[10:10] <neuron_> its working now
[10:10] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, set arts also to xine
[10:10] <neuron_> but when i try to alt
[10:10] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> arts?
[10:10] <neuron_> alt+tab everything goes poof again
[10:10] <defrysk> the soundserver
[10:11] <quido> aapzak -> quido :)
[10:11] <chavo> neuron_, yeah you gotta unload the dock plugin
[10:11] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Where can I find it?
[10:11] <chavo> neuron_, did you install gset-compiz?
[10:11] <neuron_> yup, found it in the kmenu
[10:12] <noteventime> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, output plugin
[10:12] <chavo> ok run it and then uncheck the dock plugin, it's pretty buggy
[10:12] <defrysk> systemsetting multimedia soundsystem hardware tab
[10:12] <neuron_> how do i unload it?
[10:12] <neuron_> i just uncheck it?
[10:12] <chavo> yes
[10:12] <neuron_> nice
[10:13] <neuron_> everything is running now
[10:13] <defrysk> no its not
[10:13] <defrysk> one sec
[10:13] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Ok but I can't find xine
[10:13] <neuron_> how can i make it start this way?
[10:13] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, set it to opensound system
[10:13] <chavo> neuron_, another bug to watch out for is that quitting apps with a systray icon will crash the panel
[10:13] <defrysk> inseat of auto
[10:13] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok
[10:13] <hektisk> hello all, quick question...
[10:13] <gil> defrysk: can u tell me where to get lexmark all in one drivers for dapper
[10:13] <hektisk>  usually when I go to System Settings->Display and try to log into 'Administrator Mode' the box asking me for the root password doesn't appear.  The AM button becomes grayed out, and there's a red outline around where the tabs/settings should be, but there's nothing there and there's no where for me to type my password so I can't change any settings...anyone know why this is happening, or how I can fix this problem?
[10:14] <quido> weird, kwirelessnetwork works even worse than the gnome version
[10:14] <neuron_> i got 4 crashed tabs in kicker :|
[10:14] <defrysk> tic gil lexmark is tha sucks and provides......almost nothing
[10:14] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> defrysk it still doesn't work
[10:14] <christoph66> I am running kubuntu on a laptop with an ATI Mobility 9600. Does anyone know how to get 1280x1024 resolution to work? When I try to set it, it basically just tiles the 1024x768.. but it looks worse than that even. Any help?
[10:15] <gil> so no go on my lexmark x2350? is that what you are saying?
[10:15] <defrysk> noteventime could you help LiNuX_LoVeR_17 ?
[10:15] <chavo> neuron_, add ShowAllWindows=true  underneath the [General]  section in ~/.kde/share/config/taskbarrc
[10:15] <defrysk> gil not sure but lexmark is the worst choice on linux
[10:15] <chavo> that will fix the taskbar problems for now
[10:16] <gil> ok
[10:16] <defrysk> sorry
[10:17] <gil> its the only printer i have sitting around here....BTW thanks for the help yesterday
[10:17] <neuron_> i got a ktaskbarrc
[10:17] <neuron_> and no general section
[10:17] <sokuban> It is possible to have write access on a windows partition? My windows partition is FAT32 (So I thought it might be possible)
[10:17] <neuron_> just a $Version
[10:17] <neuron_> should i create one?
[10:17] <defrysk> gil I have a read for you
[10:17] <chavo> just make it [General]  ,just like that
[10:17] <gil> sure!
[10:18] <neuron_> okay
[10:18] <neuron_> done
[10:18] <neuron_> and one other thing
[10:18] <neuron_> when i try to change my rs in the display settings
[10:19] <defrysk> gil the link is dead unfortunately
[10:19] <neuron_> it says "The module Display could not be loaded."
[10:19] <kronoz> anyone any idea about how to fix this
[10:19] <neuron_> res*
[10:19] <kronoz> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5852.0
[10:19] <gil> defrysk: what was it....
[10:19] <gil> ?
[10:19] <defrysk> gil, but try the Lexmark x125 driver
[10:19] <defrysk> http://lexmark-x125-printer-driver.df34.com/
[10:20] <neuron_> Possible reasons:
[10:20] <neuron_> An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned contorl module
[10:20] <neuron_> YOu have old third party modules lying around
[10:20] <christoph66> Where do I go to install kdevelop?
[10:20] <chrisn> hi
[10:20] <neuron_> and i cant change my resolution
[10:21] <chrisn> Anyone here who can possibly answer a problem regarding apt-get and certain 'missing' packages
[10:21] <gil> defrysk:tried it...no go...
[10:21] <farous> chrisn: ask your question
[10:21] <gil> this is an all in one printer with only one cartridge for both color/black
[10:22] <defrysk> gil this is what ubuntuforums has to say about lexmark ... :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=152576&highlight=lexmark+x2350
[10:22] <chrisn> Well for example mplayer is one of these packages.  So is libxine-extracodecs.  I have enabled the universe and multiverse repositories
[10:22] <kronoz> !paste
[10:22] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[10:22] <defrysk> gil,
[10:22] <defrysk> HP and Epson are the bestsupported printers for Linux. Usually you can get them to work.
[10:22] <sokuban> It is possible to have write access on a windows partition? My windows partition is FAT32 (So I thought it might be possible)
[10:23] <kronoz> chrisn, paste the output of the fialed operations thre
[10:23] <farous> chrisn: again i can not understand your prob. do you mean you can not find some packages
[10:23] <kronoz> sokuban: yes
[10:23] <sokuban> how?
[10:23] <chrisn> I mean that the apt-get can't find them.  Let me past the output one sec
[10:23] <weedar> While doing an apt-get upgrade I keep seeing alot of packages beeing kept-back - Is this common?
[10:23] <farous> chrisn: did you reload your source file after enabling the extra repos
[10:24] <noteventime> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, Did you fix it?
[10:24] <chrisn> Here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15340
[10:24] <noteventime> ohh, left
[10:24] <neuron_> chavo, how do i change my res?
[10:24] <chrisn> You mean 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[10:24] <Chris_H> can anyone reccomend a good video codec pack for linux?
[10:24] <kronoz> sokuban, well, is the windows partition hda1/hda2/hda3/hda4? sudo mount /dev/[windows hd partition]  /media/windows remember to make /media/windows first
[10:25] <Chris_H> Kubuntu Dapper
[10:25] <Chris_H> mainly using Kaffeine
[10:25] <shawn__> ok. ive installed firefox and associated torrent files with azureus, but azureus doesnt work. does anyone know where the @#$! i can change this? one would think in Edit->Prefs->Downloads but, heh, nope.
[10:25] <kronoz> Chris_H, libxine-extracodecs & w32codecs
[10:25] <sokuban> that gives me read access, but I want to write on it
[10:25] <kronoz> Chris_H, is this computer online yet?
[10:25] <Chris_H> not yet, but i got the router off ebay last night
[10:25] <gil> derfrysk: thanks///reading....that sucks the big one....
[10:25] <Chris_H> is it just worth waiting until its online?
[10:25] <defrysk> gil, sorry
[10:26] <farous> chrisn: try searching for the proper name use adept or sudo aptitude search
[10:26] <ahmeni> neuron_: your initial resolution, or change it while X is running?
[10:26] <gil> ok maybe you can help me with my built in card reader
[10:26] <neuron_> while x is running
[10:26] <gil> on  my laptop....
[10:26] <chrisn> farous: I have used adept.  It isn't there
[10:26] <neuron_> xgl :D
[10:26] <ahmeni> neuron_: check out krandrtray
[10:26] <defrysk> lexmark is evil stay away from it , their cartridges are way to expensive and refills aren allowed
[10:26] <uniq> sokuban: you can have it mountable by your user. if you set the 'users' option in fstab. then you can click it in media:/
[10:26] <farous> chrisn: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list file on the pastebin
[10:27] <gil> it was available to the grad students in my department for really cheap
[10:27] <chrisn> farous: yes one second
[10:27] <defrysk> gil, the machine is cheap
[10:27] <gil> got it for like 20 bucks.....worked ok in  windows
[10:27] <defrysk> so is the company
[10:27] <gil> yep
[10:27] <defrysk> i had a lexmark too
[10:28] <gil> defrysk, do you have any experience with these built in card readers....
[10:28] <sokuban> under options I put defaults,user
[10:28] <defrysk> now I have a nice samsung laser printer
[10:28] <farous> chrisn: i think mplayer is installed by default
[10:28] <defrysk> cheap and running like a charm
[10:28] <gil> i have a tosh m40x.....i cant get dapper to pick it up
[10:28] <neuron_> chavo, how can i get xgl to run when i log in
[10:28] <bernier> hi, i have a sony network walkman (nw-e75) and it uses sonicstage to convert and transfer music to it. Unfortunately, sonicstage is for windows only and can't transfer music when running on wine. do you guys know anything with which i could trasfer my music to my mp3 player?
[10:29] <uniq> sokuban: users to be able to unmount too.
[10:29] <neuron_> and to wokr aswell
[10:29] <shawn__> ok. ive installed firefox and associated torrent files with azureus, but azureus doesnt work. does anyone know where the @#$! i can change this? one would think in Edit->Prefs->Downloads but, heh, nope. Can ANYONE help? I can't believe this isnt a really easy thing to accomplish.
[10:29] <defrysk> gil, http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[10:29] <neuron_> work*
[10:29] <neuron_> this is my last question :D
[10:29] <aapzak> neuron_: you got it working?
[10:29] <neuron_> yup :D
[10:30] <farous> chrisn: oh it is in multiverse
[10:30] <sokuban> uniq: so you are saying that if I put an s at the end I will able to write? I can read the disk fine I just can't write to it, it gives me an access denied
[10:30] <chrisn> farous: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15341
[10:31] <chrisn> So the multiverse repositories are there.
[10:31] <chavo> neuron_, save this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15342 as ~/.kde/Autostart/compiz.desktop
[10:31] <uniq> sokuban: i would use the options 'defaults,noauto,users' that will not automatically mount it at boot, but after login you can go to media:/ and mount it.
[10:31] <uniq> sokuban: when you mount it as a user, you can also unmount it as a user, and I think you also can write to it as the user mounting.
[10:31] <sokuban> ok
[10:32] <neuron_> done
[10:32] <neuron_> whould i restart X to see if it works?
[10:32] <neuron_> should*
[10:32] <farous> chrisn: no it is not. your 6 line should have universe and multiverse in it
[10:32] <farous> !tell chrisn about easy source
[10:33] <farous> !tell chrisn about easysource
[10:33] <neuron_> restarting :P
[10:33] <farous> chrisn: for an easy generated source list check ubotu link
[10:33] <chrisn> thanks Farous.  Will do
[10:33] <neuron_> nice
[10:33] <neuron_> it works
[10:34] <noteventime> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/noteventime/hmmm.jpg <- could someone help me with this?
[10:34] <james_> if i want to add gnome desktop to my system, but not a whole truckload of gnome apps, do i just apt-get install gnome-desktop?? and then will i be able to choose the type of session i want at boot-up?
[10:34] <neuron_> but i still need to run gnome-kde-decorator
[10:34] <neuron_> and display settings still dont work
[10:34] <aapzak> gtg guys, read and sleep
[10:34] <aapzak> bye
[10:35] <neuron_> bye
[10:35] <shawn__> ok. ive installed firefox and associated torrent files with azureus, but azureus doesnt work. does anyone know where the @#$! i can change this? one would think in Edit->Prefs->Downloads but, heh, nope. Can ANYONE help? I can't believe this isnt a really easy thing to accomplish. Firefox instructs me to "Change the association in your preferences." but Edit->Preferences has nothing
[10:35] <uniq> james_: there is no gnome-desktop meta package as far as i know. if you don't want all ubuntu-desktop i fear you'll have to specify package by package.
[10:35] <aapzak> you're in a kde channel and are asking about firefox, maybe noone uses firefox here :)
[10:36] <xwolf-> shawn__  you can download another torrent and change through the download dialog.
[10:36] <aapzak> and ...azureus
[10:36] <james_> uniq: ok, thank you
[10:36] <aapzak> shawn__: I use Konqueror and ktorrent
[10:36] <farous> me too
[10:36] <shawn__> xwolf: the download dialogue doesnt appear, it automatically tries to open with azureus
[10:36] <neuron_> chavo: the windows still dont have titlebars
[10:36] <shawn__> yeah i want to use ktorrent, i just cant get firefox to open with it
[10:37] <aapzak> ah
[10:37] <chavo> neuron_, make sure in your compiz.desktop the the Exec= is all on one line
[10:37] <JasonL> can someone help, i just made a new partition and it is mounted but i cannot write to it
[10:37] <xwolf-> shawn__ you just couldnt get to edit -> prefs -> downloads -> show and edit actions?
[10:37] <defrysk> shawn__, works here but it needed a restart of ktorrent and firefox
[10:38] <xwolf-> JasonL an ext3 partition?
[10:38] <JasonL> ext2
[10:38] <xwolf-> is it mounted read-only?
[10:38] <xwolf-> if yes, mount it with '-o rw'
[10:38] <JasonL> rw in fstab
[10:39] <xwolf-> do you have clearance to write there?
[10:39] <uniq> jasonl: you must give yourself access to write to it. By default only root have write access to the mountpoint.
[10:39] <neuron_> chavo: that was the problem, restarting x again
[10:39] <JasonL> "/dev/sda6 /media/sda6 ext2 nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1" in fstab
[10:39] <xwolf-> JasonL i think adding 'user' will do it
[10:39] <JasonL> changing nouser to user?
[10:39] <uniq> jasonl: you don'
[10:40] <xwolf-> lemme check.
[10:40] <JasonL> or just add user
[10:40] <JasonL> ok
[10:40] <JasonL> sorry uniq??
[10:40] <uniq> jasonl: you don't need all that. "/dev/sda6 /media/sda6 ext2 defaults 0 1" would do it. it's all defaults.
[10:40] <JasonL> ok =)
[10:41] <JasonL> its sudo mount -a after fstab has been change right?
[10:41] <JasonL> still get access denied
[10:42] <chrisn> Just a random question.  Has anyone managed to get Konquerer to work with Gmail's advanced interface?
[10:42] <uniq> jasonl: and. what you need to do, is to make a directory in /media/sda6, for example /media/sda6/jason, and give your user write access to it. that would be "sudo mkdir /media/sda6/jason" and "sudo chown username.username -R /media/sda6/jason"
[10:42] <chavo> chrisn, yes but it doesn't work perfectly
[10:42] <mrmist> Hi guys
[10:42] <uniq> jasonl: "sudo mount -o remount /media/sda6" after changing fstab.
[10:42] <JasonL> so i cant have access to write to the root of the driver?
[10:42] <mrmist> I'm getting a error message when trying to load compiz
[10:43] <mrmist>  GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[10:43] <sager_> Is it possible to install kdevelop through Adept? When I type in kdevelop it doesn't return anything
[10:43] <chrisn> chavo: ah anything special in the configuration.  I found that none of the links or buttons worked
[10:43] <mrmist> Anyone seen this ??
[10:43] <xwolf-> JasonL FYI, user is only about being possible for non-root accounts to mount it. nothing to do with write permissions
[10:43] <noteventime> sager_, kdevelop3
[10:43] <JasonL> ok xwolf
[10:44] <JasonL> uniq, is there no way for me to be able to write to the root of the drive?
[10:44] <uniq> jasonl: yes you can, but you must give yourself write access to it. giving users access to the partition mountpoint is generally not a good idea, you can of course mount the partition uid/gid but I do not recommend it.
[10:44] <JasonL> well it used to be NTFS, and i wanted to be able to write to it
[10:44] <JasonL> so i moved all my files from NTFS to my home foler
[10:44] <JasonL> now i want them back on sda6 in the same order
[10:44] <sager_> noteventime: ahhI had to fetch updates
[10:45] <JasonL> that means putting stuff on the root of the driver
[10:45] <JasonL> drive*
[10:46] <mrmist> Anyone ??
[10:46] <mrmist> I'm trying to get compiz to work
[10:46] <noteventime> mrmist, old drivers
[10:46] <JasonL> uniq, can i ask why you do not recommend it
[10:46] <mrmist> I get "No managable screens found on display:0.00
[10:46] <noteventime> You don't have the extension you mentioned
[10:47] <noteventime> mrmist, are you running Xgl?
[10:47] <mrmist> noteventime: ah... How do I install new ones ?
[10:47] <mrmist> noteventime: How do I know? I've installed the compiz package. Doesn't it install the rest for me ?
[10:47] <noteventime> mrmist, If you want to use compiz you need to run Xgl
[10:48] <noteventime> it's an OpenGL accelerated xserver
[10:48] <mrmist> noteventime: I've got it on my system, but I'm unsure if that's what Im actually running
[10:48] <mrmist> "ps -A | grep xgl -i" gives me nothing
[10:48] <noteventime> mrmist, then it isn't
[10:48] <noteventime> !xgl
[10:49] <ubotu> xgl is, like, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[10:49] <JasonL> uniq ?
[10:49] <mrmist> Do I have to reconfiugure xorg.conf to load xgl then ?
[10:50] <uniq> jasonl: hang on. on the phone.
[10:50] <uniq> jasonl: 2 min.
[10:50] <JasonL> ahh ok, sorry =)
[10:50] <noteventime> mrmist, It's a whole new xorg :)
[10:50] <JasonL> natures calling so ill take the time to answer
[10:50] <uniq> ls
[10:51] <noteventime> mrmist, You need to create a symlink from /usr/bin/Xgl to /etc/X11/X but talk to someone who knows a bit about it so you can be sure you get full performance
[10:51] <noteventime> mrmist, /join #ubuntu-xgl
[10:51] <kkathman> you have to have a pretty fast/current vid card for it to work also mrmist
[10:51] <noteventime> no
[10:51] <JasonL> back
[10:52] <noteventime> kkathman, I've been using it on an old Geforce2 mx440 without any problems
[10:52] <noteventime> All eye candy on
[10:52] <kkathman> well, I wouldnt call that old tho :)
[10:52] <noteventime> it's 5 years old
[10:52] <uniq> jasonl: yes, you can just give yourself write access to the mountpoint and below. This is how to do it: Make sure sda6 is mounted. if not; "sudo mount /media/sda6", then "chown username.username -R /media/sda6". and you've got full access to the partition root.
[10:53] <ahmeni> Older nvidia cards work with xgl, but older Radeon cards don't :(
[10:53] <noteventime> kkathman, 5 years old :) It works on old tnt2 cards without any problem
[10:53] <kkathman> alot of newer PCs have very insufficient vid cards in them so it pays to double check the specs needed... thats all I'll say :)
[10:53] <JasonL> ok, why would you advise against it may i ask?
[10:53] <uniq> jasonl: why it is bad practice, good question, i just never do it, might not be bad practice at all, actually.
[10:53] <JasonL> ok
[10:54] <JasonL> i wouldnt trust myself with root access to / but to another partition i like to have control of all =)
[10:54] <JasonL> uniq mount: invalid option -- R
[10:55] <uniq> jasonl: yes, I was thinking that too, but it's not critical as it's just for user stuff. So it won't be a problem :)
[10:55] <uniq> jasonl: try -r then.
[10:55] <JasonL> ok =)
[10:55] <ciccio> hi there
[10:56] <uniq> hi ciccio.
[10:56] <ciccio> I'd like to mount a ntfs partition rw but I am not able to, what can I do
[10:56] <ciccio> ?
[10:56] <uniq> jasonl: -R is correct for chown.
[10:56] <JasonL> chown: `/media/sda6/lost+found': Permission denied
[10:56] <JasonL> chown: changing ownership of `/media/sda6': Operation not permitted
[10:56] <DaSkreech> !tell ciccio about NTFS
[10:56] <JasonL> yeh, i typed it wrong =)
[10:56] <JasonL> but then go that
[10:56] <uniq> jasonl: ah.. my mistake. put sudo infront.
[10:56] <JasonL> got*
[10:56] <JasonL> oh yes
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> ciccio: Captive ntfs
[10:57] <JasonL> silly me, i should of seen that too *bangs head*
[10:57] <JasonL> im not that dumb, honest =P
[10:57] <noteventime> ciccia, you need ntfs tools
[10:57] <uniq> jasonl: me neither, honest :)
[10:57] <ciccio> and is there a way to browse samba shares via kde ?
[10:57] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Hello again :)
[10:57] <JasonL> =) it works
[10:57] <JasonL> ty uniq
[10:58] <uniq> ciccio: you can use smb:/ in konqueror.
[10:58] <uniq> jasonl: no problem. happy to help. :)
[10:58] <JasonL> wish i knew as much about linux as i do windows
[10:58] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[10:58] <ciccio> uniq: but is there a sort of smbtree with a gui ?
[10:58] <DaSkreech> JasonL: You'll regret that one day
[10:59] <uniq> ciccio: there is a utility called "smb4k"
[10:59] <JasonL> the fact i know alot about windows?
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Yeah that too :)
[10:59] <JasonL> lol
[10:59] <JasonL> i already do
[10:59] <JasonL> more employers want linux, and im just leaving school and going into college
[11:00] <JasonL> unfortunetly no college does anything to do with linux =(
[11:00] <DaSkreech> JasonL: Really?
[11:00] <JasonL> yes
[11:00] <uniq> nite ppl. going shopping with my GF tomorrow, need alot of sleep.
[11:00] <DaSkreech>  JasonL: More peopel ask about Linux than Windows?
[11:00] <JasonL> no, just these days people ask about linux more
[11:00] <JasonL> theres alot more jobs wanting linux experience
[11:01] <judgen> dell has high demand on linux techies
[11:01] <JasonL> i myself want to be self employed
[11:01] <DaSkreech> JasonL: Thats very interesting I should move ot your place
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> JasonL: I made did quite a good contract which involved writing scripts to check iis was running - interface for restarting certain services from windows over ssh - migrated 1000 websites from one to the other with less than 5 mins downtime
[11:02] <judgen> dell now has 25 of its server customers running linux
[11:02] <judgen> 25%
[11:02] <judgen> and its growing fast
[11:02] <DaSkreech> judgen: See that's not a majority
[11:02] <JasonL> sounds cool h3sp4wn
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> JasonL: That was nt 4 to windows 2000 (mainly in cygwin though using a few tools from the server resourcekit)
[11:02] <DaSkreech>  and it's still bug #1
[11:02] <JasonL> i couldnt get my head around cygwin
[11:03] <judgen> even though apache looses ground, in the real server tasks (not http) microsoft is loosing over 3% a year
[11:03] <JasonL> the world will be a better place when bug #1 is fixed
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> Do you think it ever will be ?
[11:03] <judgen> DaSkreech: concidering that dell started supporting linx 2 months ago i think 25% is impressive
[11:03] <JasonL> one day, its not going to happen over night though
[11:04] <JasonL> once people begin to realise that it really is free and good
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> Who do you think will do it - google is the only company at this moment I think capable
[11:04] <judgen> that shows the overwhaleming demand for linux even in the dell-wintel camp
[11:04] <JasonL> i think we shall have to work together
[11:04] <JasonL> no single person or company will be able to do it
[11:04] <ciccio> hdb1 is still unaccessible
[11:04] <ciccio> dr-x------ 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-06-08 07:59 hdb1
[11:04] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You forget who makes google powerful :)
[11:05] <JasonL> the users =P
[11:05] <judgen> haha some dude at osnews posted that ms should buy google, i LOL at that motion. since microsoft couldnt afford it even if they sold their windows division
[11:06] <judgen> google is valued at more than 2/3 of the total dm of microsoft.. that means, in reality that if ms wants to buy google they have to sell everything they own except the hardware portion =)
[11:06] <JasonL> what linux really needs is someone to start selling it as standard on pcs
[11:06] <ciccio> bye thanks
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: But users on their own cannot convince business to use things easily - If google produced a desktop
[11:06] <judgen> JasonL:  NO
[11:07] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: have you seen the Linux Use and Firefox Use survey?
[11:07] <ahmeni> Argh
[11:07] <JasonL> how no?
[11:07] <ahmeni> Chinese characters are showing up in firefox, but not konqueror :(
[11:07] <judgen> what linux need is a governmetn that makes opensource mandatory (in denmark they have gone faar in thet direction)
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: No but I don't trust market research
[11:07] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: it was done but OSDL and Mozilla
[11:07] <kkathman> JasonL:  actually you arent that far off... linuxheads wont agree with you, but from a global economic standpoint, thats what would push things forward
[11:07] <judgen> ahmeni: have you installed the konq addons?
[11:08] <JasonL> well IMO a good step will be getting linux sold with new pxs
[11:08] <JasonL> pcs*
[11:08] <SeanTater> My sound won;t work after upgrading dapper to KDE 3.5.3 -- can anyone help?
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Most people who didn't want to answer / couldn't be bothered would be using windows
[11:08] <ahmeni> judgen: what's the package called?
[11:09] <DaSkreech>  both showed that businesses that are looking at Linux/firefox in the Business place are doing it mostly because the people in the business are asking for it
[11:09] <JasonL> one thing that would definately help, awareness
[11:09] <judgen> ahmeni: i dont speak chineese, try "apt-cache search chineese"  but with proper spelling =P
[11:10] <judgen> i never knew that kopete had such an excellent irc client
[11:10] <judgen> i always used ksirc, but after this venture i think ksirc does not stand a chance
[11:10] <rackerz> can someone help me setup incoming/outgoing webcam in kopete?
[11:10] <JasonL> has anyone actually been into a pc shop and tried to use a live cd?
[11:10] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: the masses have power if they complain :)
[11:10] <kkathman> judgen:  have you given kvirc a whirl??
[11:11] <judgen> rackerz:  do you have wecam support in the preferences?
[11:11] <DaSkreech> judgen: tried konversation?
[11:11] <judgen> DaSkreech:  yes
[11:11] <yonkeltron> i can't unmmount my cd drive!
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I only complain if I am expected to use windows on my desktop
[11:11] <kkathman> lol konversation is just pretty much run of the mill
[11:11] <JasonL> i actually got thrown out of my local pc shop because i tried it...
[11:11] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Yup :)
[11:11] <rackerz> judgen yes i do. it all works the webcam just wont send out. if my brother asks to see my webcam it lets him because he is my network.
[11:12] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Good thing I'm at a 90% Linux company
[11:12] <judgen> kkathman:  the good thing is that it only uses one cpu process instead of me using many
[11:12] <DaSkreech> we have 2 macs
[11:12] <kkathman> judgen:  http://www.kvirc.net/
[11:12] <JasonL> sounds similar to my problem rackerz, i cant send or receive files over msn in kopete
[11:12] <judgen> kkathman: since i use many protocolls
[11:12] <judgen> kkathman:  tried kopete irc-plugin?
[11:12] <kkathman> I personnally hate that tabbed channel thing
[11:12] <judgen> tabbed?
[11:13] <rackerz> yeah i just want to use a webcam, why does it have to be so complicated?
[11:13] <kkathman> and I havent found another IRC client that doesnt have that tabbed thing
[11:13] <sager_> Does anyone know of anyone good, free, graphical boot managers?
[11:13] <judgen> kopete?
[11:13] <rackerz> not meaning to be rude there
[11:13] <JasonL> do you have a router rackerz?
[11:13] <rackerz> Yep. I've set and forwarded the port
[11:13] <judgen> i have no tabs even as default in kopete
[11:13] <kkathman> judgen:  yes, when you want multiple channels open...I want to see the conversation in ALL channels, not tab to see the first...then tab to see the second...etc
[11:13] <JasonL> i think the router is the problem, i have all msn ports open but still no luck
[11:14] <rackerz> yep. its stupid, kopete shouldn't even be asking for ports it should just try to let it all work.
[11:14] <judgen> kkathman:  then use kopete
[11:14] <judgen> kkathman:  there are no tabls
[11:14] <judgen> tabs
[11:14] <kkathman> judgen:  I use kvirc :)
[11:14] <rackerz> judgen so do you have any idea how i can get webcam working?
[11:14] <JasonL> i can understand it wanting ports, but theres not much info on what ports
[11:15] <rackerz> yeah i know :(
[11:15] <JasonL> anyone actually know what ports kopete uses for file transfer?
[11:15] <judgen> rackerz: what chipset of you webcam
[11:15] <judgen> rackerz:  i use a bt878 and it has worked for years
[11:15] <Christmas_> Qt: 3.3.6
[11:15] <Christmas_> KDE: 3.5.2
[11:15] <Christmas_> kde-config: 1.0
[11:16] <rackerz> judgen logitech quickcam messenger, it works in kopete fine. i can send my webcam to my brother who is in my network. just not to my friends who are outside it
[11:16] <judgen> aaah, then its the usual forwading error
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I was setting up a company I would use sunrays I like the smartcard way of doing stuff - does ubuntu support sunray server ?
[11:16] <judgen> rackerz: just forward the regular webcam ports
[11:16] <rackerz> judgen what are they?
[11:16] <JasonL> judgen, what are the ports for file transfer?
[11:17] <judgen> windows bypasses this by using a "lmited udp" connection
[11:17] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: /me shrugs
[11:17] <rackerz> judgen so how can it be fixed in linux? what are the ports?
[11:17] <judgen> rackerz: try googling, but its not kopete specific.. wecams in tcp mode all work in the same ports (mostly)
[11:17] <yannux> DaSkreech: are you here ? :)
[11:18] <DaSkreech> yannux: Yes
[11:18] <rackerz> MSN 1863-1863 tcp udp <IP_ADDRESS> (checked)
[11:18] <rackerz> MSN 5190-5190 udp <IP_ADDRESS> (checked)
[11:18] <rackerz> MSN 6891-6900 tcp <IP_ADDRESS> (checked)
[11:18] <rackerz> MSN 6901-6901 tcp udp <IP_ADDRESS> (checked)
[11:18] <rackerz> do they look correct judgen?
[11:18] <JasonL> judgen i have 3891 3901 and 3900 open, the msn ports, still no file transfer
[11:19] <rackerz> 6891 for transfer i think./
[11:19] <yannux> DaSkreech:  yeah pv  ;)
[11:19] <judgen> rackerz: ye
[11:19] <judgen> sure does
[11:19] <JasonL> oh, sorry
[11:19] <JasonL> 3=6
[11:19] <JasonL> got them wrong
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Really?
[11:20] <rackerz> ah :P
[11:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:20] <DaSkreech> new math
[11:20] <JasonL> 6891 6901 and 6900
[11:20] <judgen> the webcam in msn uses udp so it does not work the same way.. you have to forward udp too
[11:20] <judgen> not only tcp ports
[11:20] <JasonL> sure is DaSkreech
[11:20] <rackerz> so the udp ports as well as tcp?
[11:20] <judgen> yes
[11:21] <judgen> ofcourse
[11:21] <JasonL> i have both open :(
[11:21] <rackerz> i'll be back in abit then :P
[11:21] <JasonL> transfers still jus hang
[11:21] <mikedep333> hey guys, how do I put my comp in hibernate or the other power states from KDE upon my request?
[11:21] <mikedep333> I know it works, since the power daemon can do those states.
[11:22] <mikedep333> in my previous distro, I could do this from the logout/shutdown menu
[11:22] <marcello> hello
[11:22] <judgen> DaSkreech: you are becoming an regular in #kubuntu arent you =) i always like a regular =)
[11:23] <aboapri> has anyone had problems with the screen saver not starting?
[11:23] <judgen> aboapri: gl-screensaver?
[11:23] <aboapri> any screensaver.
[11:23] <mikedep333> aboapri, no
[11:23] <mikedep333> I've had trouble with it continuing to stay animated
[11:23] <judgen> mikedep333: is the preview blac?
[11:24] <judgen> black
[11:24] <march2> hi people, i just installed a kubuntu system dapper drake, but i cannot find out how to install the kde in my language with this new package manager
[11:24] <JasonL> oo
[11:24] <JasonL> transfers are working i think
[11:24] <mikedep333> jedgen: preview?
[11:24] <judgen> march2: what language?
[11:24] <aboapri> the preview works fine, it just won't start on it's own.
[11:24] <march2> italian
[11:24] <mikedep333> judgen: oh
[11:24] <JasonL> in kopete is there an easier way to send files than going through all the menus
[11:24] <judgen> mikedep333: use kcontrol and look at the screensavers
[11:24] <aboapri> it used to work, I think I broke it somehow.
[11:24] <mikedep333> I don't use the preview for long enough
[11:24] <judgen> JasonL: right click the username and add
[11:24] <mikedep333> it only seems to stop being animated after dozens of minutes
[11:25] <march2> in the list of the packages there are no language packs at all
[11:25] <judgen> oh, you mean the msn protocol?
[11:25] <mikedep333> it's really not a big deal though
[11:25] <judgen> ok
[11:25] <aboapri> I think I had that stopping animating problem before I had the not working problem.
[11:25] <JasonL> judgen i dont see where you men
[11:25] <JasonL> mean*
[11:26] <judgen> screensavers isnt a issue if you have a apm screen manager installed..
[11:26] <judgen> i have used the 2minutes-noaction
[11:26] <aboapri> I think it was related to the power-saving mode, I think that if you don't have the power saving set up right, then when it tries to turn on, it just freezes your screen saver instead.
[11:26] <judgen> then the screen shutdown
[11:26] <JasonL> ahh i see it
[11:27] <JasonL> im gonna hav eto reinstall kubuntu =(
[11:27] <judgen> i will never reboot to windows again (except to try new beta apps for scummvm.org
[11:27] <aboapri> the closest thing to windows I will run is reactos
[11:27] <JasonL> and hope that when i end current session it no longer hangs
[11:27] <march2> can someone tell me how to get all those packages i dont have in the list please
[11:27] <judgen> i have osx86, beos and ubuntu installed, nothin needed in windows
[11:27] <mikedep333> !components
[11:27] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:28] <judgen> march2: what do you mean?
[11:28] <mikedep333> march2: you may need to add other components
[11:28] <march2> yes
[11:28] <aboapri> beos huh?  I didn't think that really worked well on modern computers?
[11:28] <judgen> then just add repos
[11:28] <mikedep333> *other repositories
[11:28] <march2> i need to install new software but there is not in the list
[11:28] <judgen> aboapri:  VERY wrong
[11:28] <march2> i already removed the # from the source list
[11:29] <aboapri> I had the impression that if you had a newer computer your best bet was to shell out the dough for zeta.
[11:29] <judgen> beos/zeta has better hardware support than any non win-linux os in the world
[11:29] <aboapri> which I actually contemplated.
[11:29] <MrKeuner> hi, is there a way that I keep both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop and let them do not see each other? I mean in the application menu's of gnome I do not want to see any Kapplications and vice versa. Also when I right click on a spesific file, gnome should not list a KDE app to use to open with. thanks
[11:29] <judgen> including solaris in some cases
[11:29] <judgen> and the 4 sec bootup is a nice factor why i still use it
[11:29] <aboapri> yeah, I like fast boot times.  :)
[11:30] <judgen> but i cant recomend it to anyone that wasnt part of the be.inc era
[11:30] <aboapri> you run a free beos?  no zeta?
[11:30] <mikedep333> MrKreuner: I think your asking simply for KDE not to show gnome apps and gnome not to show kde apps.
[11:30] <mikedep333> in their start menus
[11:30] <MrKeuner> yes
[11:30] <mikedep333> *application menus
[11:30] <judgen> aboapri: i have both
[11:30] <MrKeuner> both
[11:30] <judgen> but not actually free, i rin the bought R5-pro and Zeta
[11:30] <mikedep333> well, I know that KDE and GNOME used to have incompatible menus
[11:30] <mikedep333> so there probably is a way
[11:30] <mikedep333> to restore that
[11:31] <DaSkreech> aboapri: Is Zeta teh new Haiku?
[11:31] <judgen> after getting used to the Tracker(tm) you get very angry at the very low speed of Explorer and X11
[11:31] <aboapri> zeta and haiku are completely different.
[11:31] <judgen> DaSkreech:  NO
[11:31] <DaSkreech> ok
[11:31] <aboapri> zeta is a commercial product.
[11:31] <aboapri> haiku looks pretty promising, in like, 5 years maybe.  lol
[11:31] <judgen> DaSkreech: haiku is haiku on new source, zeta is BeOS 6 maintained by a german comeny
[11:31] <Chousuke> :D
[11:31] <march2> added all the repositals but still no kde-i18-langcode files
[11:31] <judgen> company
[11:31] <MrKeuner> mikedep333/ can you give me more clues to do that?
[11:32] <Chousuke> in 5 years it's too late :(
[11:32] <judgen> aboapri:  haiku can do most things that linux can by now, but lacks software
[11:32] <mikedep333> MrKreuner: In KDE, you can edit the app menu
[11:32] <judgen> aboapri: we can play full speed quake3 now on haiku
[11:32] <mikedep333> by right clicking on it
[11:32] <Chousuke> there's no opportunity for new OSes anymore.
[11:32] <MrKeuner> I see just editing them manually...
[11:32] <judgen> Chousuke: stop beeing silly
[11:32] <DaSkreech> judgen: Ah right
[11:32] <aboapri> no kidding huh?  I thought haiku was not even in a usable state yet?
[11:32] <mikedep333> yeah
[11:33] <Mongey> !theme
[11:33] <JasonL> which package do i install for firefox?
[11:33] <judgen> Chousuke: all oss has a market, but the desktop are might be full
[11:33] <aboapri> I never saw any downloads on their website...  save a dev kit I think.
[11:33] <JasonL> mozilla-firefox?
[11:33] <mikedep333> I think KDE and GNOME have different default folders to list the app menu shortcuts
[11:33] <Chousuke> judgen: yeah. and Haiku aims for the desktop.
[11:33] <Chousuke> not going to happen.
[11:33] <Chousuke> it'll have its users.
[11:33] <mikedep333> but I can't help you with simply seperating all of them myself
[11:33] <Chousuke> but it's not going to spread everywhere.
[11:33] <judgen> there is always imbedded devices, servers, handhelds, low-watt and many more categories where windows and linux dont cut it
[11:34] <Chousuke> Hmm.
[11:34] <judgen> in low watt areas window sucks ballz
[11:34] <mikedep333> so does linux
[11:34] <mikedep333> windows still has better power management I think
[11:34] <Chousuke> Now that you mention it, Haiku might do pretty well on some media center.
[11:34] <mikedep333> or at least it had decent power management before linux
[11:35] <judgen> havent imcluded any powermanagement in wme above acpi, that is why f.i palmos can work longer on the same batteries
[11:35] <Chousuke> it has a snappy, lightweight GUI :)
[11:35] <judgen> Chousuke: sure is
[11:35] <rackerz> judgen: the cam still doesn't work :(
[11:35] <ahmeni> Haiku is pretty neat, I used to use Matchbox on my tv-top box
[11:35] <judgen> and tracker+bfs makes it virtually the fastest ever
[11:36] <judgen> rackerz:  wierd
[11:36] <rackerz> judgen: indeed.
[11:36] <judgen> are you sure that you dont have an internal firewall installed on you network that might fudge you up?
[11:36] <aboapri> where can I find an iso for haiku?
[11:36] <JasonL> when i try and open a .rar file with Ark it says that unrar is not in my PATH, but unrar is installed
[11:36] <mikedep333> aboapri: I think haiku is too incomplete for them to provide one
[11:36] <judgen> aboapri: i only have an vmware image, but that makes it slow as there are no drivers for the vmware "simulated devices"
[11:37] <judgen> mikedep333: NO
[11:37] <mikedep333> I believe haiku is just providing replacements for individual parts of BeOS
[11:37] <mikedep333> oh, ok
[11:37] <judgen> mikedep333: its available allright
[11:37] <aboapri> oh, I see.
[11:37] <rackerz> judgen: the only thing i have is a router
[11:37] <aboapri> I would like a free os that doesn't take forever to boot up.
[11:37] <judgen> but networking is beeing rewritten this summer, so i recomend waithin untill the bsd netstack is implemented
[11:37] <EvilIdler> My Ubuntu boots real quick
[11:37] <rackerz> you talking to me?
[11:37] <rackerz> lol
[11:37] <mikedep333> http://haiku-os.org/downloads.php?mode=user
[11:38] <judgen> aboapri: it only uses a few mb (50 i think with full install)
[11:38] <mikedep333> well, they hide their ISO alright
[11:38] <judgen> mikedep333:  waht me to find it for you?
[11:38] <aboapri> that minix3 looks promising too.
[11:38] <mikedep333> judgen: if it isn't too much work
[11:38] <aboapri> someone needs to build debian on top of it.
[11:39] <mikedep333> I would like to tryout haikuOS sometime
[11:39] <judgen> minix on the other hand is a very limited projedt, with no "real" progress in a while
[11:39] <rackerz> judgen: what should i do? do you have any other suggestions?
[11:39] <judgen> mikedep333:  they hare hireing theyr second full time developer this summer (the guy that is going to write the net-stack
[11:39] <mrmist> Anyone know what the "i2c" module in xorg.conf is ???
[11:40] <mikedep333> I hope that goes well
[11:40] <aboapri> geeah....  maybe I'll just shell out the cash for zeta.  I hate the idea of spending money on software though, lol.
[11:40] <judgen> rackerz: as i dont use usb webcams i dont know.... i only use bt-based cams
[11:40] <mikedep333> I know that OSS projects that hire people and not others often have tension
[11:40] <rackerz> bt-based?
[11:40] <judgen> bt878  to be exact
[11:40] <JasonL> where can i get unrar from?
[11:40] <mikedep333> bt chipsets are nice and compatible under linux
[11:40] <LinuxMonkey> !rar
[11:40] <ubotu> somebody said rar was a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[11:41] <JasonL> i have unrar free
[11:41] <judgen> pci-card (with tv-tuner and two composite, one for webcam and one for regular comp-in, and also has a svideo in)
[11:41] <judgen> hauppage usre does the best video in cards in the world for a sub1000 pricerange
[11:41] <JasonL> E: Package unrar has no installation candidat
[11:42] <judgen> and its supported fully in almost every desktop os ever created
[11:42] <aboapri> so what do y'all think of reactos?  that's rather small and fast-booting....  seems decent...  but I somehow feel that being based on windows may taint it with evil.  :))
[11:42] <mikedep333> judgen: I have a hauppauge wintv pvr 150 MCE with a conexant chipset, it is good but could be better
[11:42] <mikedep333> aboapri: I love reactos, or rather will once it is more complete
[11:42] <judgen> connexant? didnt thing they still exist
[11:42] <LinuxMonkey> JasonL:  do u have your repositories universe and multiverse
[11:43] <judgen> i have a brooktree chipset
[11:43] <JasonL> yes
[11:43] <JasonL> i enabled all
[11:43] <mikedep333> judgen: like for one thing
[11:43] <judgen> there is NO usb webcam that even compares to a real pci- bt878b
[11:43] <mikedep333> with the mpeg2 encoding going, there is a 1 second delay with the video
[11:43] <mikedep333> without it, it looks like crap
[11:43] <aboapri> some guy at work was trying to say he's going to get a beta copy of vista today.
[11:43] <judgen> i have no delay on my sends...
[11:43] <mikedep333> either way, you can't hook up an interactive signal to it
[11:44] <aboapri> and he totally expects me to care.
[11:44] <LinuxMonkey> JasonL: you must not have multiverse enabled
[11:44] <mikedep333> judgen: you do not have an mpeg2 encoding card I think
[11:44] <seth_> Hello everyone.
[11:44] <JasonL> ok
[11:44] <judgen> yes
[11:44] <JasonL> ill disable
[11:44] <mikedep333> I have a BT card, not delay cuz it is software based
[11:44] <aboapri> No matter how many times I tell people, I can't ever convince anyone that they should stop using Windows.
[11:44] <JasonL> how do i disable just multi?
[11:44] <LinuxMonkey> JasonL: follow guide here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:44] <judgen> actually i have one ofthe few 64bit pci cards from hauppage
[11:44] <mikedep333> hey seth_
[11:44] <judgen> that includes an decoder
[11:44] <mrmist> how do i "run Xgl as a session inside of an existing X windows session"
[11:44] <seth_> hey mike
[11:44] <mrmist> ??
[11:45] <judgen> mrmist: why do you want xgl?
[11:45] <mikedep333> mrmist: you can do that? cool
[11:45] <aboapri> I work in a machine shop...  we have some CNCs....  one of them has been having problems....  it actually runs windows 95!
[11:45] <seth_> Are there any web sites that have programs for ubuntu??
[11:45] <aboapri> I have been trying to talk them into letting me install linux on it, but they won't!
[11:45] <judgen> aboapri: seth_ dried using the repos?
[11:45] <mikedep333> seth_: the vast majority of software for ubuntu is in the repositories
[11:45] <judgen> seth: what functionality do you need?
[11:46] <mikedep333> winehq has one for ubuntu for wine itself I know
[11:46] <LinuxMonkey> seth_: we have many many programs built into the repositories, use adept to see them
[11:46] <seth_> ??
[11:46] <judgen> LinuxMonkey: apt-get ffs!
[11:46] <LinuxMonkey> what judgen?
[11:47] <aboapri> ok, so this question is probably going to sound real dumb, but how do I make a program start with kde?
[11:47] <kkathman> what is an aiz file?
[11:48] <seth_> WTF?/
[11:48] <katakombi> aboapri out it in the autostart folder
[11:48] <seth_> Why was I kicked?
[11:48] <kkathman> anyone know what to do with an aiz file??
[11:48] <aboapri> ok, where's that.
[11:48] <kkathman> seth:  Nick collision
[11:48] <aboapri> seth, change your name
[11:49] <seth> will people stop pinging me please :P
[11:49] <seth> will people stop pinging me please :P
[11:49] <kkathman> seth_ nick collision
[11:49] <chavo> aboapri, ~/.kde/Autostart or Go- Autostart in konq
[11:49] <kkathman> seth: change your name
[11:49] <aboapri> thanks
[11:49] <seth> aboapri, just make sure that your file is executable, once you put it in Autostart
[11:49] <DaSkreech> judgen: Yeah I'd like to see that ISO btw :)
[11:50] <aboapri> can I just make a launcher?
[11:50] <chavo> you can drag Icons from kmeu there also or put .desktop files
[11:50] <LinuxMonkey> lol doent he learn
[11:50] <seth> I'm tempted to ban him until he changes his nick, just to stop the annoyingness
[11:50] <zblach> hey, can you rename a computer?
[11:51] <seth> dude, change your nick already
[11:51] <seth> bah, gone again
[11:51] <LinuxMonkey> i sent him a msg he should of gotten it
[11:51] <katakombi> hehe
[11:51] <aboapri> ok, great.
[11:52] <LinuxMonkey> :)
[11:52] <aboapri> yeah, I needed KDE to autostart xfishtank.
[11:52] <Sethwm2> Can you tell I am new??
[11:52] <Sethwm2> LMAO
[11:52] <aboapri> cause I got a cute kitty cat wallwaper.
[11:52] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[11:52] <Sethwm2> Sorry about that.
[11:52] <aboapri> and the effect of fish swimming around the cat's head is just awesome.  :)
[11:52] <LinuxMonkey> its ok Sethwm2 it happens to the best of us
[11:53] <xwolf-> Sethwm2 you really got nick issues don't you?
[11:53] <Sethwm2> lol
[11:53] <Sethwm2> Yeah
[11:53] <Sethwm2> I am new with linux and ubuntu.
[11:53] <katakombi> maybe registering helps
[11:53] <Sethwm2> And I am so confused.
[11:53] <Sethwm2> how do I register?
[11:54] <katakombi> i meant your nick
[11:54] <Sethwm2> I know.
[11:54] <aboapri> I have been using linux and ubuntu for about 6 months now.  and I'm still confused.
[11:54] <xwolf-> /nickserv help
[11:55] <judgen> ok yu wanted the haiku iso?
[11:55] <aboapri> linux is like othello.  a minute to learn, a lifetime to master.
[11:55] <judgen> DaSkreech: http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/images/rev17778_raw.tar.bz2
[11:55] <judgen> thats the iso
[11:56] <judgen> for haiku
[11:56] <Sethwm2> REGISTER Nick
[11:56] <Sethwm2> ??
[11:56] <judgen> Sethwm2: what is confusing?
[11:57] <DaSkreech> judgen: Thanks
[11:57] <DaSkreech> 15Mb?
[11:57] <judgen> DaSkreech: yes, highly compressed
[11:58] <judgen> it extracts to about 50mb
[11:58] <Sethwm2>  /msg NickServ <command>
[11:58] <Sethwm2> ?
[11:58] <judgen> its abcause they cant include any beos software, so you will have to download thet yourself
[11:58] <judgen> DaSkreech: its a very basic, its only the base system
[11:59] <LjL> 1) any idea why my DNS server settings are not remembered?     2) anyone else having the usplash shutdown screen not showing (actually, only the second part of it showing), except that it does show up *if* the shutdown is performed from KDM?
[11:59] <judgen> DaSkreech: but with downloads it runs most beos software
[11:59] <geotsai> sethwm2, learn how to use irc properly plz...
[11:59] <honkertd> is there a good site where i can get a list of free useful software for Windows converts?
[11:59] <honkertd> like myself
[11:59] <LjL> honkertd: yes
[11:59] <LjL> !alternatives
[11:59] <ubotu> well, alternatives is should you require to change the default applications system wide, use "sudo update-alternatives --all" it provides choice where available to the machine. example: kde/gnome or nano/vi/emacs
[12:00] <judgen> honkertd: the apps is all in the repos allready
[12:00] <LjL> hmm no not that
[12:00] <geotsai> what do u mean then?
[12:00] <judgen> honkertd: just figure out what functionality you need and ask what pkg you need
[12:01] <honkertd> i'm looking for an ftp client that supports sending between two ftp servers (like smart ftp for win)
[12:01] <DaSkreech> the tags in adept rock :-)
[12:01] <LjL> honkertd:
[12:01] <LjL> !alternative
[12:01] <Sethwm2> There
[12:01] <LjL> h
[12:01] <LjL> s
[12:01] <ubotu> hmm... alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[12:01] <LjL> this one
[12:01] <DaSkreech> judgen: tried using them to find out apackage you need?
[12:01] <aboapri> you know what windows app I miss?  k-meleon.  that has got to be the greatest web browser of all time.
[12:02] <Sethwm2> ?
[12:02] <DrBair> aboapri: it can't possibly be better than Konq :-)
[12:03] <Sethwm2> am I all set now?
[12:03] <aboapri> I like it better than konqueror, to be honest.
[12:03] <aboapri> but konqueror is quite good.  It's the best reason to use KDE.