[19:54] <simon2> and i would like to know if dvb-s still services clients without encryption
[19:54] <simon2> or if there have been advances that address this
[19:54] <tonyhughes> Yes it does.
[19:54] <simon2> so it does use encryption?
[19:54] <tonyhughes> My country broadcasts FTA TV on DVB-S unencrypted.
[19:54] <simon2> Okay
[19:55] <simon2> so what's the reason that DVB-S is still unencrypted
[19:55] <simon2> isnt that a security vulnerability?
[19:55] <tonyhughes> No, it's a FTA (Free-to-air) offering.
[19:56] <tonyhughes> We are turning off all our traditional broadcast TV within the next 18 months
[19:56] <simpleuser> Hello there. Does someone here use pidgin-otr ? When i'm using Off-The-Record, i don't understand the three level thing (non secured, non verified, verified). What's the difference between non verified and verified ? Is it just "for me" (i can be sure it's my friend) or does it play a role in the security process ?
[19:56] <tonyhughes> Whole country gets free DVB-S and/or free DVB-T
[19:59] <Ziggy> question: im runing the boot-repair and it says ... Reinstall grubb. this may take serveral minitues... but now im at 30 min should it realy take this long or is something wrong here...
[20:01] <simpleuser> Ziggy, Mmm... I've always used boot-repair as a live cd. But it has never been more than 5 minutes i think.
[20:03] <Ziggy> simpleuser, hmm so now the question is should i keep it runing or kill it and try again
[20:03] <simpleuser> Ziggy, that is the question. To kill or not to kill.
[20:03] <simon2> anyone familiar with the dvb and dvb-s standards?
[20:03] <johnjohn101> my opinion is to kill the process
[20:03] <Ziggy> yeah :)
[20:03] <simpleuser> Maybe you should kill it and boot with a live cd.
[20:05] <simpleuser> Ziggy, i use this : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=5745281#p5745281 (topic on the french forum)
[20:05] <NoNaMeNo> ok, raring boot process worked but no desktop
[20:06] <wilee-nilee> NoNaMeNo, You want #ubuntu+1 for raring
[20:06] <simpleuser> Ziggy, direct link here ;) : http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/
[20:08] <bilel> Hi, I'm using and IDE which regularly uses all the CPU, it's not even 100%, top command shows 300%, how is it possible, then my computer becomes so warm and the fan noisy , how can I make ubuntu avoid processes to use so much ressources?
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> Ziggy, This is UEFI right?
[20:08] <simon2> anyone familiar with the dvb and dvb-s standards?
[20:08] <simpleuser> bilel, wow. Which IDE do you use ?
[20:09] <bilel> simpleuser: it's netbeans
[20:09] <aijazz> hi
[20:09] <KeyboardNotFound> is ubuntu is logging all my command entered in terminal ?
[20:09] <tgm4883> KeyboardNotFound, no
[20:09] <compagny> hello. im having a problem with compiz, i had ubuntu 12.10 32bits and had assigned hot cornes to show all app running, did fresh install 12-10 64bits and i cant find the options to restore this feature
[20:10] <compagny> please help
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> KeyboardNotFound, history in the termkinal will show you what is there.
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> *terminal
[20:10] <tgm4883> compagny, you probably install compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:10] <compagny> tgm4883, yes i did.
[20:11] <aijazz> I have a lot of start and kill scripts against one service in my ubuntu 12.04 - just want to know how to remove all the links at different run levels
[20:11] <compagny> but in the key bindings section the only option than appears to me so i can assing hot cornes is "show desktop", wich works fine
[20:11] <simpleuser> bilel, did you try another ide ?
[20:11] <aijazz> and have only one start and stop script for this service
[20:12] <simpleuser> bilel, it seems that you're not the only one experiencing this problem
[20:13] <jil> hello
[20:14] <jil> Is there an easy way to get back to 12.04 LTS from a 12.10 ?  without reinstalling?
[20:14] <bilel> simpleuser: yes, netbeans fits my needs the most, it provides integration with most of the tools / framework I'm using, I'm jus annoyed with this issue, it happens regularly but for a limited period, like a few minutes, when it scans directories or some internal I guess, I'm just looking for a way to limit the resources it uses, is it possible?
[20:14] <simpleuser> bilel, https://www.google.fr/search?hl=en&q=netbeans%20ubuntu%20cpu
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> jil, You cannot downgrade
[20:15] <aijazz> I have a lot of start and kill scripts against one service in my ubuntu 12.04 - just want to know how to remove all the links at different run levels
[20:15] <aijazz> and have only one start and stop script for this service
[20:15] <jil> I made a mistake. I did a dist-upgrade one evening and I regret :(
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> jil, best thing in the future would to have images of the OS, you would just pop it back in.
[20:15] <simpleuser> bilel, maybe it's possible... but i won't be very useful to you for this... ;) Sorry
[20:16] <wilee-nilee> jil, dist-upgrade does not upgrade to n ext release.
[20:16] <NoNaMeNo> wilee-nilee: ok thanks
[20:16] <jil> I have 12.04 on a pendrive. Can I just copy the initr or syslinux files to my home computer?
[20:17] <bilel> ouch I should have noticed it! you're a "simple user" just like me! :)
[20:18] <pookey> hi all - I'm getting issues with dependencies, linux-server depends on linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.46); however: Version of linux-image-server on system is <IP_ADDRESS>.47., and I'm not sure how to resolve it-  can anyone help?   Thanks
[20:19] <jil> OK, sorry. you're right I'm still in 12.04... It's just that I get software crashe each time I start the computer like it was happening before with 12.10
[20:19] <jil> wilee-nilee:  but thank you, I will just do with it. thx
[20:20] <simpleuser> bilel, no prob :). And yeah, calling myself "simpleuser" gives me the right to know few things... It's a great pseudo imo :p
[20:21] <simpleuser> bilel, if i had called myself "R0X04Kill34I4mTheB3st"... it would be a bit different :p
[20:21] <invariant> How do I install Firefox extensions which are enabled for all users by default?
[20:22] <slacker_nl> is xvidcap not provided by ubuntu?
[20:22] <simpleuser> invariant, what do you mean ?
[20:23] <invariant> simpleuser, that should have been more than clear.
[20:23] <invariant> simpleuser, if I say hello to you, do you also ask what I mean?
[20:24] <simpleuser> invariant, I only ask when it's not clear to me and when i want to help someone. If someone is trying to help you and understand your problem, are you rude with him/her ? That's what you're doing right now. Not very clever.
[20:25] <linear_line> hallo
[20:25] <linear_line> slovak ?
[20:25] <invariant> simpleuser, just because you want to help someone doesn't mean you are able to.
[20:26] <invariant> simpleuser, stop wasting my time.
[20:26] <MonkeyDust> !sk | linear_line
[20:31] <simpleuser> invariant, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgjv8w8n4q1qcnhhzo1_500.gif
[20:32] <invariant> simpleuser, I am not interested in seeing a picture of your face.
[20:33] <simpleuser> invariant, you should.
[20:33] <invariant> simpleuser, anything coming from you can only mean it's something stupid.
[20:34] <invariant> simpleuser, your nickname is appropriate.
[20:34] <invariant> You are on my ignore list now.
[20:34] <invariant> I do not tolerate stupidity.
[20:35] <pookey> Hi all - I'm getting issues with dependencies, linux-server depends on linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.46); however: Version of linux-image-server on system is <IP_ADDRESS>.47., and I'm not sure how to resolve it-  can anyone help?   Thanks. full output here: http://pastebin.ca/2337614
[20:35] <simpleuser> invariant, You're funny. I don't what i've done. But you clearly acted wrong and stupid.
[20:36] <ktchk> Hi ubuntu 10.04 lts cd/dvd read all data disc as blank disc any solusion?
[20:37] <bekks> ktchk: Maybe your cd/dvd drive is broken.
[20:37] <simpleuser> ktchk, same thing on another OS ?
[20:37] <ktchk> No I can play wav music
[20:37] <bekks> Thats not a data disc.
[20:37] <bekks> And they are read differently.
[20:37] <ktchk> a music disk
[20:38] <bekks> ktchk: An audio cd is read differently from a data cd. MAxbe your drive is broken.
[20:39] <simpleuser> ktchk, tried with a live usb to see if the OS can read something on the cds ?
[20:39] <ktchk> thanks i will put in a new one later
[20:40] <kingfisher64> hello all. Can some kind soul tell me the syntax for changing permissions within ubuntu for ownership of a folder. Eg, to change ownership to www-data I normally type: sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /home/sitename/public_html/folder/folder etc. I need to set it back to non www-data.
[20:41] <kingfisher64> it's within a virtualmin virtualserver setup in ubuntu 12.04
[20:41] <uvala> I will use gddrescue to create the image of my corrupted HDD on my external drive. l created 2 partitions on the external drive, one for the image, one to save the data on after creating the image. let's say /dev/sda is the HDD and /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 are the partitions on external drive. is this command line correct: sudo ddrescue -r 3 /dev/sda /dev/sdb1/image /dev/sdb2/logfile  ?
[20:47] <kaje> My 11.10 ubuntu workstation is crawling today for some reason.  Here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/nFk6BN9q
[20:47] <kaje> Any thoughts on what is going on?
[20:54] <Underbyte> how do i add a system service to the startup?
[20:55] <sw> !startup | Underbyte
[20:55] <aaas> if you modify the sudoers file with visudo shoudl the permissions change after that point or do i have to run aonther program (or restart) to see changes reflected
[20:55] <sw> !boot | Underbyte
[20:55] <Underbyte> sw: this is for a ubuntu server
[20:56] <sw> Underbyte: see !boot above then. also there is #ubuntu-server for server related questions in the future
[20:56] <sw> aaas: that should do it
[20:57] <philaneo1s> does anyone know of a program like crushftp but easily be able to be installed on ubuntu server
[20:58] <sw> !ftpd | philaneo1s
[20:59] <orp> hi there
[20:59] <orp> any one with postfix experience ?
[21:00] <sw> orp: ask your actual question and someone might answer, or there's #postfix :-)
[21:00] <rob_p> orp: some... what's you question?
[21:01] <orp> I have install postfix and I am trying use my user but the password don't work
[21:01] <vooze> Anyone using Cinnamon? How can I change the wallpaper "resolution" like to fit, stretch etc. ?
[21:02] <rob_p> orp: That has nothing to do with Postfix!
[21:02] <grtp> Since installing updates last night, my OpenGL Renderer has reverted to 'Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile', and I get "Sorry, Ubuntu 12.10 has experienced an internal error" (executable path /usr/share/apport/apport-gpu-error-intel.py), and "Apport has detected a possible GPU hang. Did your system recently lock up and/or require a hard reboot?" soon after startup. The same thing happens every time I reboot, even when trying the pre
[21:02] <grtp> stions?
[21:02] <orp> so what is the problem ?
[21:05] <ronnie> hello?
[21:05] <tgm4883> o/
[21:05] <pookey> Hi all - I'm getting issues with dependencies, linux-server depends on linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.46); however: Version of linux-image-server on system is <IP_ADDRESS>.47., and I'm not sure how to resolve it-  can anyone help?   Thanks. full output here: http://pastebin.ca/2337614
[21:06] <philaneo1s> anyone know of a good way ftp user interface for ubuntu
[21:06] <gustav_> philaneo1s: gftp.
[21:06] <philaneo1s> gustav_: do i install on that on my server
[21:07] <gustav_> philaneo1s: Client.
[21:07] <rob_p> orp: Postfix doesn't manage access to user accounts. It's just an MTA. Are you trying to access a user mailbox via pop or imap?
[21:07] <zeroday617> philaneo1s: FileZilla is another good ftp client
[21:07] <tgm4883> pookey, sounds like your repos aren't in sync, or you added something funky to your sources
[21:07] <philaneo1s> gustav_: zeroday617 i want to install a client on my server
[21:07] <ronnie> just go to terminal and type      :(){ :|: & };:      itll fix your probblem
[21:07] <llutz> !danger
[21:08] <philaneo1s> gustav_: so my employees in my office can see the files via web
[21:08] <philaneo1s> gustav_: and manage them add/delete
[21:08] <gustav_> philaneo1s: You want an FTP server.
[21:08] <philaneo1s> gustav_: i have a ftp server
[21:08] <gustav_> philaneo1s: Web FTP Client for your server?
[21:09] <philaneo1s> but i want the user to be able to add delete files from the browser not only download from the browser
[21:09] <gustav_> philaneo1s: Not sure what exists.
[21:09] <philaneo1s> gustav_: like crushFTP
[21:09] <philaneo1s> grtp: just cant seem to load their interface properly on my server
[21:10] <mnms_> Sorry guys is there any way to block grouping application in switcher ?
[21:11] <alireza> where are iran room??
[21:11] <tgm4883> !ir | alireza
[21:11] <gustav_> philaneo1s: Not familiar with that.
[21:16] <neosimago> has anyone noticed this error with the attempt to load the bonding module? FATAL: Error inserting bonding (/lib/modules/3.5.0-26-generic/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/bonding.ko): Invalid argument
[21:17] <Aelingil> I have 1 hard drive that has two Partitions, an Old KUbuntu, and a New Ubuntu 12.04LTS. My Grub is on the KUbuntu partition, how can i switch it over to the 12.04 so after formatting i can still log in?
[21:17] <Craig> anyone able to help?
[21:18] <Aelingil> Pop your questions out there Craig, if anyone can help they will try.
[21:18] <neosimago> Aelingil: Grub should be able to point to both installations if the systems are seen on the devices during boot.
[21:19] <Craig> ok, i haveubuntu server and i want to add gnome through tasksel but i get an error is there a way to log it?
[21:19] <llutz> Aelingil: when using your 12.04" sudo grub-install /dev/sda && sudo update-grub"
[21:20] <llutz> Aelingil: 1st writes the 12.04 grub into mbr, 2nd command creates the actual bootmenu-entries
[21:21] <uvala> I need help with ddrescue commands. I havent got a clue what all the superuser tutorials are about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:23] <Aelingil> llutz, Allrighty, i will try that and see what happens :)
[21:25] <immy12911> hi
[21:25] <addisonj> I am in need of some help, I need to install both libav and libffmpeg for some different dependencies.. it seems they both can't be installed at once... anyone done that before?
[21:26] <charleslad> hi
[21:27] <Anonyan> I am in need of help after I accidentally my AMD (HD4250) video drivers after following some advice to use the "xorg-edgers"  ppa.
[21:28] <hateyoface> hey i used to have a HD4250 back in the day
[21:28] <Anonyan> I'm still stuck with one :p
[21:29] <charles_luka> hui
[21:29] <hateyoface> that card has 1gb of ddr5 on it correct?
[21:29] <hateyoface> not a bad lil card from what i remember
[21:29] <Anonyan> It has 128mb of shared memory o-o?
[21:29] <harovali1> hi, is there a way to know from which host in the LAN my ubuntu system is getting its IP address via DHCP?
[21:30] <hateyoface> what? really? noooo are you sure?
[21:30] <Anonyan> http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Radeon-HD-4250.29664.0.html <-
[21:31] <hateyoface> ahh youre running a notebook makes sense i had the actual card saphire edition i believe it had 1 gb ddr5 on it
[21:31] <bekks> harovali1: You would have to capture the network traffic.
[21:31] <Anonyan> Well, i'm not on a netbook, I just happen to have a netbook gpu sadly x3
[21:31] <llutz> harovali1: less /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases
[21:31] <Craig> harovali1 ifconfig?
[21:31] <Anonyan> It's one of the integrated GPUs for this motherboard
[21:32] <hateyoface> i wish origin would hurry up and make a native client for linux so i could dump windows
[21:34] <Anonyan> Think I'll try installing the official AMD drivers (and end up breaking things even more :u)
[21:34] <hateyoface> lol
[21:35] <Aelingil> llutz, worked perfectly, once i fixed my boot order everything loads correctly to 12.04. Time to format that old partition
[21:35] <hateyoface> i used to play World of Warcraft on ubuntu with that card with the official amd drivers
[21:35] <Craig> oh llutz do you have any advice how to log tasksel
[21:36] <llutz> Craig:  log tasksel?
[21:36] <Craig> i need to figure what package isnt downloading to i can install it manually
[21:36] <uvala> starting ddrescue returns following line:  write error: No space left on device , when the disk has 320GB free space
[21:37] <bekks> uvala: So what was the exact command you issued?
[21:39] <llutz> Craig: sudo apt-get install ^task-whatever             shouldn't that show you the package in question?
[21:39] <nicu> quit
[21:39] <Craig> no beause it has dependencies that it installs without echoing it
[21:40] <jrib> Craig: what error do you get?
[21:40] <llutz> Craig: apt-cache depends task^          (not sure if that works)
[21:40] <uvala> bekks, while (corrupted HDD: sda) and  (target disk: sdc1 (or external, its name )) , the commands were these, in 2 different trials: 1. ddrescue /dev/sda /media/external,2. ddrescue /dev/sda /dev/sdc1. both returned the same error, after a very brief functioning
[21:40] <Craig> i think 100
[21:41] <jrib> Craig: ...
[21:41] <Craig> im not at the server it's at my school
[21:41] <bekks> uvala: /mnt/external is treated as a file.
[21:41] <jrib> Craig: is there a reason you're even using tasksel for this?
[21:42] <Craig> to install ubuntu-desktop
[21:42] <bekks> uvala: ddrescue /dev/sda /media/external/myrescureddata.file # asssuming your sdc1 is mounted at /media/external
[21:42] <jrib> Craig: just install the ubuntu-desktop package: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:42] <uvala> bekks, this is exactly what I dont get and find nowhere an answer for. what is /mnt?  when I go to /mnt, I see nothing under it except a folder that is named "usbstick"
[21:42] <bekks> uvala: /media is for the automounter, /mnt is for manual mounting.
[21:42] <Craig> it requires libproxy and my school blocks anything that contains the word proxy
[21:43] <jrib> Craig: what do you mean by "it" in your last sentence?
[21:43] <Craig> ubuntu-desktop
[21:43] <uvala> this is another thing, I am using sysrescue cd GUI, I have no idea which one I need to do.
[21:43] <jrib> Craig: tell your sysadmin to be more sensible?
[21:43] <roygbiv> heh
[21:43] <Craig> theyre like a brick wall
[21:44] <jrib> Craig: but in any case, now you know the package you need to install yourself
[21:44] <Craig> idk ill just bring the system home and install there
[21:44] <uvala> It has such a different terminal from ubuntu's, that it doesnt accept things I write, either
[21:44] <Craig> i need the link it downloads from
[21:44] <hololight> Is there anyone here with experience using GNU ddrescue? I have a question regarding behavior that may or may not be completly normal.
[21:44] <jrib> Craig: you can use http://packages.ubuntu.com
[21:44] <Craig> ok
[21:44] <uvala> bekks, so should I create a file that is called myrescueddata.file under external?
[21:45] <Craig> thx jrib
[21:45] <hololight> What timing... are we already talking about rescuing data?
[21:45] <uvala> bekks, and how do I know, in this differen GUI of sysrescuecd, if I manually or automounted this drive?
[21:46] <bekks> uvala: No. You should mount your sdc1 somewhere (e.g. /mnt/myexternal/ and then tell ddrescue to create the target file /mnt/myexternal/myrescueddata.file
[21:46] <uvala> bekks, when I say mount or umount it gives error, basically it does nothing I command
[21:46] <bekks> uvala: What does "it gives error" mean?
[21:46] <uvala> bekks, I am apparently an ubuntu-only linux user
[21:47] <uvala> bekks, how do I mount sdc1 anywhere?
[21:47] <hololight> I am using gnu ddrescue to try and image a failing 1.5 tb drive (io errors and all sorts of fun noises...). I got about 75 megs of recovered data and then the drive crapped out. interrupted the rescue to power cycle the drive. when i restarted the rescue process the recovered data jumped to almost 350 gb of recovered data in the span of maybe 115 seconds.....
[21:48] <hololight> Is this normal?
[21:48] <Left_Turn> guys how can i open an existing file with gedit without it giving me error msges.. i just want to open to edit
[21:48] <uvala> bekks, normally in ubuntu I see a button that says "mount"
[21:48] <uvala> or the command line mounts it when I say "mount"
[21:48] <uvala> here nothing works
[21:49] <sircut> I booted off live parted magic cd. ANyone know if i can make a small folder to remember next time i boot to the cd what I want to save?
[21:50] <sircut> was confused a bit but think I am at root of a drive "/" under filesystem
[21:51] <bekks> uvala: Whats the error you get? Whe cant guess it.
[21:51] <ePax> I om ubuntu 12.04 and im trying to connect to openvpn with network manager... while setting up vpn ubuntu network manages asks for gateway and private key password... wich does not exist as i know ;D
[21:51] <uvala> bekks, it says write error: No space left on device
[21:52] <uvala> an 8GB usb for sysrescuecd is running, and I connect a 320GB external drive to rescue a 250GB corrupted HDD.
[21:52] <uvala> bekks, an 8GB usb for sysrescuecd is running, and I connect a 320GB external drive to rescue a 250GB corrupted HDD.
[21:52] <uvala> so I dont see what space is not enough
[21:52] <bekks> uvala: Whats the output of df -h then?
[21:54] <uvala> bekks, it is a list of 13 lines
[21:54] <bekks> uvala: Then put it into a pastebin
[21:54] <uvala> I could pastebin it on the damaged pc,  if you could wait a second
[21:54] <uvala> yes :)
[21:56] <Guest94490> hola
[21:57] <anonymous_> hello im new!
[21:57] <Neo_Warlock> Hello
[21:58] <anonymous_> hiya warlock! u cool yh?
[21:59] <Neo_Warlock> I'm no good spealkEnglish
[21:59] <Neo_Warlock> I speak persian
[21:59] <Neo_Warlock> I'm from Iran
[22:00] <anonymous_> sorry dude im english! not speak persian<:P>
[22:00] <sw> !ot
[22:00] <Neo_Warlock> I was a problam in Ubuntu :(
[22:01] <gwinbee> sw: do you know the bot command for a persian-language ubuntu help chat, if such a thing exists?
[22:01] <gwinbee> that might help him more
[22:01] <anonymous_> warlock: meaning? did u giv this lot grief??
[22:01] <kqr1> hello. my synaptics touchpad just stopped working out of the blue. i really need it to push a button before i can go back to sleep. how do i restart the driver?
[22:01] <DJones> !ir | Neo_Warlock
[22:01] <sw> !ir
[22:02] <sw> oh!
[22:02] <gwinbee> noted for the future
[22:03] <anonymous_> neo warlock is in hot demand on ere ay lol
[22:03] <moes> Can I have Ubuntu-10.04 and 12.04 installed on separate partition or even separate hard drives
[22:03] <bekks> moes: Yes.
[22:04] <moes> bekks should I install 12.04 rub to mbr
[22:04] <you-tee-f> moes: can you lay butter on two slice of bread ?
[22:04] <you-tee-f> the answer is yes
[22:05] <moes> you-tee-f ..My knife only large enough to one slice bread
[22:05] <LoneTrooper> is here anyone who set wizardpen for graphical tablet properly on ubuntu 12.10?
[22:06] <Neo_Warlock> I have a problem
[22:06] <Neo_Warlock> :(
[22:06] <bekks> moes: The size of your knife is irrelevant for the amount of slices of bread to be buttered.
[22:06] <joeee222> Any idea why an ESSID would show up when scanning with airodump-ng... but not with network manager? The network is an Open network... I can connect to it find on my winblows laptop.
[22:06] <joeee222> -fine
[22:06] <LoneTrooper> i istaled wizardpen by compiling it thats the best way they say) but it doesnt work for now
[22:06] <minimec> Neo_Warlock: We can try to help you, but you have to tell us, what your problem is...
[22:07] <DarkAceZ> how do I make output of a command go to a text file? > ~/path/to/text/file didn't seem to work
[22:07] <LoneTrooper> anyone who knows how to set up wizardpen driver for graphics tablet?
[22:07] <you-tee-f> DarkAceZ: consider asking your question on #bash
[22:08] <LoneTrooper> k
[22:09]  * helmutek wita wieczorkowa pora
[22:09] <anonymous_> question can a person use a macbook pro for crackin wifi networks on back track?
[22:09] <Neo_Warlock> I can not change the language I use the keyboard keys؟؟؟
[22:10] <JamesGatz> have the options to change the encoding settings been removed from sound juicer?
[22:10] <DJones> !cracking | anonymous_
[22:10] <minimec> Neo_Warlock: ok. Did you choose your language and keyboard during installation, or did you do an installation in english?
[22:11] <k1l_> !backtrack | anonymous_
[22:11] <k1l_> and the newest backtrack doesnt even base on ubuntu. so better ask their support
[22:12] <LoneTrooper> they dont know this on bash
[22:12] <anonymous_> sorry DJ jones thought this was for elite ppl who knew shiz?
[22:12] <LoneTrooper> and its quiet there
[22:12] <riegersn> when I right-click and pick change desktop background, the system settings dialog opens and lists all the setting for the computer but does give me the 'appearance' option
[22:12] <minimec> Hmmm...  The network is an Open network... I can connect to it fine on my winblows laptop.
[22:17] <JamesGatz> re: Sound Juicer - where are the options to change the settings for the various file formats?  eg, Ogg Vorbis quality level, etc?
[22:18] <anonymous_> piratebay forever!!! free movies for life!!
[22:18] <joeee222> I tried connecting by terminal it didn't work
[22:18] <k1l_> !guidelines > anonymous_
[22:18] <tgm4883> joeee222, is it a hidden network
[22:19] <joeee222> No sir
[22:19] <gyre007> guys has anyone here used mbuffer?
[22:19] <minimec> joeee222: Are you sure that network-manager is set to use the right device? May be your device is recognized as wlan1 and network-manager is looking for wlan0
[22:19] <gyre007> Im trying to use it to compress some data
[22:19] <gyre007> in combination with tar
[22:19] <joeee222> tgm4883: It is an Open Public Network...
[22:19] <joeee222> *Broadcasted
[22:21] <FrostByte881741> Guys, I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm sorry for bothering, but I would like to know how to run Python code on here...
[22:22] <tgm4883> FrostByte881741, python <filename.py>
[22:22] <tgm4883> or alternatively, for python3
[22:22] <tgm4883> FrostByte881741, python3 <filename.py>
[22:23] <FrostByte881741> tgm4883: Thanks haha.. I'm extremely new to Ubuntu. I built the machine I'm working on and installed Ubuntu, I love it haha..
[22:23] <FrostByte881741> Thanks again,
[22:29] <bj123> welcome
[22:29] <bj123> anybody live here?
[22:29] <Pici> I don't live in #ubuntu.
[22:30] <bj123> i am looking for a way to run command at startup of ubuntu with sudo - but to save to different files for different users\
[22:31] <delaman> i am having trouble with a fresh installation of ubuntu when i run anything with modprboe such as "modprobe -l" http://pastebin.com/jLRmVKtM
[22:31] <delaman> ubuntu server
[22:32] <bj123> i can use rc.local but i do not know how to write results in different files for diffeent users
[22:32] <minimec> bj123: could you be more specic on that. I don't get, waht you want.
[22:32] <minimec> bj123: specific ;)
[22:32] <bj123> i run keylogger, it has to be run as sudo
[22:33] <bj123> i want different file for different users
[22:34] <bj123> any idea how to?
[22:34] <anonymous_> ERRR stil no comment how to read a private msg u dinlows?
[22:36] <minimec> bj123: Hmmmm... Never did something like that. I don't think that rc.local is the way to go. You should modify the session start properties of the user session.
[22:37] <anonymous_> im thinkin bout kiling myself? for real?
[22:37] <k1l_> !ot | anonymous_
[22:37] <anonymous_> internet has made my life hell!!
[22:38] <ezio> when i'm tab switching how do i descend into a group
[22:38] <minimec> bj123: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62833/how-do-i-change-the-default-session-for-when-using-auto-logins
[22:38] <minimec> bj123: Sorry... I am wrong with that link....
[22:39] <cronus> delaman, try running depmod
[22:41] <delaman> cronus: never used that command, does it need any arguments ?
[22:42] <delaman> cronus: never doesnt look like it, i will give it a try
[22:42] <cronus> delaman, try running it without any and if it doesn't work try with -a. there is a man page for it. make sure u ran it as root
[22:44] <m4th4ck3r> hy
[22:45] <lavolanta> hi
[22:45] <lavolanta> any help setting up a access point on a linux box?
[22:46] <bj123> minimec: i guess i can change sudoers file so exact user can do sudo without password, but how to put program to autostart for specific user that he cannot find it
[22:46] <iFlip> Has anyone used Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud?
[22:47] <m4th4ck3r> What are the experiences in backtrack-linux?
[22:47] <wilee-nilee> m4th4ck3r, you might ask at #backtrack this is ubuntu support
[22:48] <fcuk112> anyone else's terminator unstable?  lots of crashes when dragging windows
[22:49] <cappicard> good evening. i'm trying to get dnsmasq to bind to a virtual interface, eth1:0, but it keeps wanting to bind to eth1 instead... this is on ubuntu 12.10
[22:49] <minimec> bj123: You don't need to change the sudoers file, I guess. For example... For a normal guest session, you can set additional settings for a session like this http://askubuntu.com/questions/9515/how-do-i-change-the-guest-session-defaults
[22:49] <minimec> bj123: I guess there is something similar for a normal user session.
[22:50] <minimec> bj123: BUt as I said: I never did such a thing, and I definitely don't want to be a user on your machine ... ;)
[22:51] <ezio> why does gnome and unity group instances of programs in the task switcher
[22:51] <bj123> that how life goes
[22:52] <Smashcat> Hi, I've just set up a new server with a RAID5 array (5x3TB disks, 4 active+1 spare). Seems to be taking forever to sync. It's been going for a few hours now, and mdadm reports all the disks states as "active sync" but the "Resync status" is 0% complete...
[22:52] <Smashcat> Tested the speed of the member disks, and all ok (about 130MB/sec each)
[22:52] <Smashcat> *160MB/sec each
[22:53] <delaman> cronus: didnt work http://pastebin.com/HsVaf9Yf
[22:54] <cgaleks> hi kids
[22:54] <delaman> cronus: http://pastebin.com/mYYr5fha
[22:54] <Smashcat> Problem is that I want to start migrating stuff across from an older server, but don't want to move 6-7TB of data across if the new RAID is faulty. Guess I'll leave it till the morning and see if it's made any progress.
[22:55] <ezio> how can i tab switch between grouped windows
[22:56] <cronus> delaman, it seems you don't have modules installed. is it a custom compiled kernel?
[22:57] <delaman> nope straight out of the  datacenter.  iv never come accross one that flat did have any modules
[22:57] <delaman> did not*
[22:59] <cronus> delaman, it seems to me that this is not a standard ubuntu kernel. if it is true maybe there was an error in the datacenter deployment.
[22:59] <antiroach> hey is anyone here running ubuntu using an i5s GPU for video output? if so what kind of CPU usage do you see in something like VLC when watchinng a 1080p video. thanks!
[22:59] <delaman> yeah looks like a custom kernel
[22:59] <delaman> let me see if i can change it
[23:00] <cronus> delaman, you could contact support there. they will know for sure and help you
[23:00] <minimec> antiroach: Ok... I can check that.
[23:00] <antiroach> minimec: awesome thanks
[23:01] <antiroach> im trying to figure out if hardware acceleration is actually being used or not
[23:01] <delaman> cronus: will do thakns
[23:01] <cronus> delaman, it is not a good idea to not use the custom kernel provided by the datacenter. there is a great possibility it will break the system
[23:01] <cronus> delaman, np
[23:04] <minimec> antiroach: Probably not a great help for you. I have a i5 3570k here. Quiet a beast. Running a tv app and a 1080p mp4 movie plus other programs result in cpu usage between 10-15%, well balanced on all 4 cores...
[23:05] <minimec> antiroach: I could check the same on a i5m (mobile) cpu via UPnP, but I have to boot up my laptop ;)
[23:05] <antiroach> minimec: thats the same cpu i have
[23:05] <antiroach> minimec: would you mind checking it when playing a specific file in vlc
[23:05] <antiroach> http://downloads.dvdloc8.com/trailers/divxdigest/simpsons_movie_1080p_trailer.zip
[23:06] <minimec> antiroach: I will give it a try...
[23:06] <antiroach> minimec: when playing the mp4 in vlc what does top show for the vlc process
[23:07] <mauricio> amigos tengo problemas instalando los drivers de video en mi pc un asus n46vm
[23:07] <Pici> !es | mauricio
[23:07] <minimec> htop shows about 23%
[23:07] <mauricio> gracias no lo sabia
[23:08] <lavolanta> any help setting up a access point on a linux box?
[23:09] <holstein> lavolanta: access what?
[23:09] <minimec> antiroach: I might mention, that I don't use unity. I am on enlightenment e17.
[23:09] <cesarvalladaresp> alguien que hable español y me pueda ayudar
[23:10] <minimec> antiroach: .. and on two 1680x1080 screens
[23:10] <k1l_> !es | cesarvalladaresp
[23:10] <antiroach> minimec: i dont use unity either, im using lxde :)
[23:10] <antiroach> i only have 1 screen but its at 1920x1200
[23:11] <antiroach> im trying to figure out if vlc is using hardware acceleration or not
[23:11] <lavolanta> holstein: a wireless access point
[23:12] <holstein> lavolanta: check the "ad-hoc" entry http://askubuntu.com/questions/60980/how-to-share-a-wired-internet-connection-via-wifi
[23:13] <Trudko> Guys i need to copy something to local/bin but my user does not have persmissions. ls -l /bin | grep bin i get lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root what to do to have rights to write?
[23:13] <Trudko> i found that i should do usermod -G www-data user which should put user to www data group does have to data group exists already? is user param user litterallly or it is name of user
[23:13] <ads2996> How many people use Ubuntu as their main os
[23:13] <k1l_> ads2996: that number is not countable. but that is a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:14] <ads2996> Ok sorry
[23:14] <minimec> antiroach: ok. top jumps between 20-40%. Most od the time between 25-30%
[23:15] <minimec> antiroach: ... with your file.
[23:17] <cronus> Trudko, i think the command you wanted to run was ls -ld /bin
[23:18] <antiroach> minimec: ok cool thats the same im seeing then
[23:18] <antiroach> thanks a lot for the confirmation
[23:18] <minimec> antiroach: no problem
[23:21] <ti9876> anyone able to help install a file from source?
[23:22] <holstein> ti9876: install an application? theres no readme?
[23:22] <antiroach> ti9876: what file
[23:22] <expelledboy> "a file"?
[23:22] <antiroach> odds are theres a ppa for it :)
[23:22] <ti9876> not yet antiroach
[23:22] <antiroach> ah ok
[23:22] <lavolanta> holstein: no that doesnt work
[23:23] <ti9876> trying to get this working and or installed, and hopefull build a deb package out of it
[23:23] <ti9876> https://gitorious.org/fehlstart/pages/Home
[23:23] <holstein> lavolanta: maybe your hardware doesnt support it.. i would confirm that before spending much time on it
[23:23] <antiroach> ti9876: are the instructions listed on that page not working for you?
[23:23] <lavolanta> i try that before, i use this documentations http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1294711  ///////  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint#Adapter /////  http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd
[23:24] <holstein> lavolanta: http://www.howtogeek.com/116409/how-to-turn-your-ubuntu-laptop-into-a-wireless-access-point/
[23:24] <ti9876> antiroach, correct
[23:24] <lavolanta> holstein: my hardware does with hostapd
[23:24] <holstein> lavolanta: have you broken anything in your trying so far? maybe try the above link from the live CD
[23:25] <amigamia> what is a pause command for ls or listing a directory?
[23:25] <antiroach> ti9876: are you getting an error ? pastebin the output
[23:25] <somsip> amigamia: ls | less
[23:25] <antiroach> amigamia: pause command?
[23:25] <expelledboy> ti9876: have you installed all the deps?
[23:25] <amigamia> antiroach yes
[23:25] <Pici> amigamia: do you mean like ls | less
[23:25] <amigamia> ahh thanks
[23:25] <amigamia> let me try
[23:26] <antiroach> :(
[23:26] <Pici> amigamia: press q to quit when you're done.
[23:26] <amigamia> thanks to both of you :)
[23:27] <ti9876> http://pastebin.com/n9dPE4sP
[23:27] <lavolanta> holstein: i already set the wifi with hostapd on the command line i dont use UIs plus it doesnt work those links you sent me, i thank you for it, my problem now is to get the client to get internet after i assing them an ip thru WIFI
[23:27] <antiroach> Package keybinder was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[23:27] <antiroach> did you install keybinder
[23:28] <antiroach> the site lists 3 prerequisites for this thing
[23:28] <holstein> lavolanta: i used the UI.. and it worked for me.. otherwise, check your command line commands, and consider trying from a live CD in case you have broken something
[23:28] <ti9876> keybinder is installed although i'm unsure whether thats the keybinder they are referrngi to
[23:28] <sami__> hi
[23:28] <antiroach> yea possibly not
[23:28] <antiroach> you can always install every keybinder thing
[23:28] <ti9876> there is only two, they are both installed
[23:28] <antiroach> or well install 1 at a time until hopefully that error goes away
[23:29] <sami__> i have problem with skype who can help me
[23:29] <antiroach> what version of ubuntu are you running
[23:29] <antiroach> because on mine i see 14 results
[23:29] <antiroach> sudo aptitude search keybinder, pastebin output of that
[23:30] <holstein> sami__: skype can most likely help you the most.. but what is the issue?
[23:31] <minimec> ti9876: It's somehow off-topic, but 'synapse' is a cool launcher app without all the mono stuff. Regarding your problem. Maybe you need to install the -dev packages of the mentioned dependencies too.
[23:32] <antiroach> he possibly needs to add extra repositories since he says that he only sees 2 keybinder packages
[23:32] <ti9876> minimec, will give it a go thx
[23:33] <antiroach> :( i thought you said you only saw 2 packages and theyre both installed
[23:38] <grtp> Since installing updates last night, my graphics driver has reverted to 'Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile', and I get "Sorry, Ubuntu 12.10 has experienced an internal error" (executable path /usr/share/apport/apport-gpu-error-intel.py), and "Apport has detected a possible GPU hang. Did your system recently lock up and/or require a hard reboot?" soon after starting up. The same thing happens every time I reboot, even when trying the
[23:48] <cronus> hello, i have a problem with xrandr. i run the command xrandr --output DVI-0 --panning 1920x1280. it seems to work but it does not move with the mouse.
[23:52] <MrDyne> I am using VSFTPD on my server/desktop... can someone step me threw creating an FTP only account with full read/write access to a certain folder on the server.


[01:13] <Daviey> hopefully not the tv :)
[01:13] <foxbuntu_> idk....at least the wife would let me buy a new one then
[01:14] <Daviey> superm1: did keescook have any joy with the lspci?
[01:14] <superm1> haven't spoken to him about it since last time you saw
[01:15] <foxbuntu_> why doe the installer window suddenly resize when you select advanced?
[01:16] <superm1> are you in a VM?
[01:16] <foxbuntu_> no
[01:16] <superm1> i think i know what the cause of it is, and its related to translations
[01:16] <superm1> but i've not seen it outside a vm
[01:16] <foxbuntu_> does vnc work yet?
[01:17] <superm1> yes
[01:17] <foxbuntu_> it doesnt auto fill the default DB name in the MYSQL info anymore
[01:18] <superm1> in which?
[01:18] <foxbuntu_> frontend only install
[01:18] <superm1> auto fill?
[01:18] <superm1> you need the info in order to do that type of install
[01:18] <superm1> for your master backend and such
[01:19] <foxbuntu_> you had it set before that the MySQL DB field was already filled with "mythconverg" the default name
[01:19] <foxbuntu_> and now its now
[01:19] <foxbuntu_> not*
[01:19] <superm1> oh
[01:20] <superm1> i guess it does make sense to leave it as a default
[01:21] <foxbuntu_> where does that file reside with the MySQL password again? (theres something to add to that same screen as a note)
[01:21] <superm1> it should be on that screen
[01:21] <superm1> /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[01:23] <foxbuntu_> nice on the TV out options
[01:23] <superm1> if they work right of course :)
[01:24] <foxbuntu_> indeed
[01:24] <foxbuntu_> the install is rolling now
[01:25] <superm1> fairly painless procedure?
[01:25] <foxbuntu_> yea...I would just add the note about that password for people like me
[01:25] <superm1> i coulda sworn there was one there already
[01:25] <superm1> but i could be crazy
[01:25] <foxbuntu_> your crazy
[01:26] <foxbuntu_> (but we all already knew that)
[01:26] <foxbuntu_> wow...this old emachine dvd burner is fast
[01:30] <foxbuntu_> rebooting
[01:32] <foxbuntu_> the nviida auto select is still killing me tho
[01:34] <superm1> its just too high of a resolution for that monitor
[01:34] <superm1> but still usable?
[01:34] <foxbuntu_> yea
[01:34] <foxbuntu_> well
[01:34] <foxbuntu_> not usable
[01:34] <superm1> why?
[01:34] <foxbuntu_> becuase 25 - 30% of the screen cant be seen
[01:35] <superm1> how about other things - did they work out as expected?
[01:36] <foxbuntu_> still no audio
[01:36] <superm1> i thought that was from the onboard having issues?
[01:36] <superm1> not being enabled
[01:36] <superm1> in the bios
[01:36] <foxbuntu_> orgianlly I thought so...but its enabled right now
[01:36] <foxbuntu_> unless the installer somehow killed it
[01:37] <superm1> there is *nothing* in the installer touching anything related to audio
[01:37] <superm1> whatsoever
[01:37] <foxbuntu_> i figured that much
[01:38] <foxbuntu_> this is the most expensive board I own too
[01:38] <superm1> well like i said before, file a bug with that alsa script
[01:39] <superm1> its possible alsa is broken for your board
[01:39] <foxbuntu_> yea
[01:39] <foxbuntu_> teach me for getting a better board
[01:40] <superm1> well no, you can provide very valuable information here to crimsun
[01:40] <superm1> so that it can be fixed by release
[01:58] <foxbuntu_> eww
[01:58] <superm1> ?
[01:58] <foxbuntu_> how would I switch mythtv to use OSS
[01:58] <superm1> take out ALSA:default
[01:58] <superm1> and put /dev/dsp
[01:58] <superm1> why would you even want to though?
[02:01] <foxbuntu_> just testing a theory
[02:01] <superm1> OSS support is emulated though
[02:01] <superm1> via alsa
[02:01] <foxbuntu_> oh
[02:02] <superm1> hence why i was asking why you'd want to
[02:02] <foxbuntu_> i think the problems are form the nForce drivers
[02:02] <superm1> from the nforce drivers?
[02:03] <foxbuntu_> yea
[02:04] <superm1> the nforce drivers aren't installed
[02:04] <superm1> the open source ones are
[02:04] <foxbuntu_> this board had the nForce Ac'97 chipset
[02:04] <superm1> the nforce ones didn't support alsa last i checked
[02:04] <foxbuntu_> thus my issue
[02:04] <superm1> nope
[02:04] <superm1> there are plenty of boards out there nforce cards
[02:04] <superm1> that work the open source driver
[02:04] <superm1> the ac97 codec is a pretty broad thing
[02:05] <superm1> you saw that the driver was loaded
[02:05] <superm1> and your mixer worked
[02:05] <superm1> but no audio, hence why i said to file a bug
[02:05] <superm1> and submit that script
[02:05] <superm1> crimsun debugs this stuff all the time
[02:05] <foxbuntu_> k
[02:06] <foxbuntu_> drop the bug where again?
[02:06] <superm1> against the alsa source package
[02:06] <foxbuntu_> k
[02:07] <superm1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+filebug
[02:18] <tgm4883> anyone use a dual layer dvd burner in their mythtv setup?
[02:20] <foxbuntu> neg
[02:21] <foxbuntu> I do have one, but dont use it
[02:21] <foxbuntu> anyone else have input here?
[02:21] <superm1_> tgm4883, i have
[02:21] <superm1> your looking to burn dvds with files > 4 GB i'm guessing?
[02:22] <tgm4883> yea
[02:22] <tgm4883> mine went kaput
[02:22] <superm1> yea thats a really ugly situation right now
[02:22] <superm1> ISO9660 doesn't allow any files bigger than 4GB on a level 3 disk
[02:22] <superm1> and if you use a dual layer disk the same problem happens
[02:22] <superm1> so there are three possible solutions
[02:22] <superm1> 1) Make the file smaller (take out commercials and such)
[02:23] <superm1> 2) Split it into multiple pieces (preferably less than 2GB each)
[02:23] <superm1> 3) Burn a UDF DVD
[02:23] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:24] <tgm4883> My goal would be to play it in a regular DVD player
[02:24] <tgm4883> #1 is for sure
[02:25] <superm1> okay thats a diff issue then
[02:25] <superm1> mytharchive should be able to re-encode the files
[02:25] <tgm4883> We want to reencode the files?  To make them smaller or are they not DVD complient?
[02:26] <superm1> well depending where they are recorded from both
[02:26] <superm1> if they are from a pvr-xxx card, and recorded at the right resolution, then just the former
[02:26] <tgm4883> The correct resolution being?  720x480?
[02:27] <tgm4883> Mostly it is for stuff via my STB
[02:27] <tgm4883> Motorola 6200
[02:27] <superm1> ah via firewire?
[02:28] <tgm4883> yes
[02:28] <superm1> does the resolution ever change during the files?
[02:28] <superm1> like durign a commercial
[02:28] <superm1> or the bitrate
[02:28] <superm1> or the frame rate
[02:28] <tgm4883> I dont believe so
[02:29] <superm1> well if that's the case, it is likely dvd compliant
[02:29] <tgm4883> although I would wonder if it is under 9000kbps
[02:29] <superm1> but you can re-encode the video for size (and lower quality) if you want it to go on the dvd as dvd video
[02:29] <superm1> if its just 720x480 it should be
[02:30] <tgm4883> I blame my brother for all these questions.  He couldn't have it easy and have a mythtv system
[02:30] <foxbuntu__> neato...wifi router went BLEH!
[02:30] <tgm4883> well in any case, I need a new DVD burner.  My HP lasted about 75 burns and less than a year.
[02:31] <superm1> warranty
[02:31] <superm1> foxbuntu__, did vnc and ssh and nfs and samba work out for you as expected?
[02:32] <superm1> (or whichever ones you turned on)
[02:32] <tgm4883> Well, I actually don't think it's under warranty anymore.  Aren't they only 1 year?  I burned the first 75 in about 3 months, then didn't try to use it until recently.  About 13 months later
[02:32] <tgm4883> I am working with them though
[02:32] <superm1> oh thats a shame
[02:32] <tgm4883> they want me to upgrade the firmware
[02:32] <tgm4883> which is a pain
[02:32] <superm1> can you do it via a VM?
[02:32] <superm1> or is it a dos boot disk?
[02:32] <foxbuntu__> superm1: I dont think smb is working
[02:32] <foxbuntu__> or nfs
[02:32] <superm1> foxbuntu__, well it shouldnt be if you had a frontend install
[02:32] <foxbuntu__> but ssh is
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> oh
[02:33] <superm1> now that i think about it -  it shouldnt have even been an option
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> i thought you meant it was supposed to be working
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> then yes
[02:33] <superm1> well i was thinking what was on that page normally
[02:33] <rogue780> did someone ask for me? the channel was blue in the list...but I don't see where someone said me name
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> oh I did
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> i pmed you
[02:34] <tgm4883> Haven't tried a VM, tried putting it in an external enclosure, but that didn't work.  Tried Wine for the heck of it.  Now im installing win 2000 on an old 10Gb HD on my mythbuntu test machine.  So hopefully this will work
[02:34] <tgm4883> I'll never buy another HP device again if it is broke.
[02:34] <superm1> foxbuntu__, you need to register with freenode to PM
[02:34] <foxbuntu__> oh
[02:34] <foxbuntu__> did not know that
[02:34] <superm1> well depending on how they interface with it, the VM may or may not work
[02:35] <tgm4883> 75 burns and 150 lightscribe burns shouldn't ruin your DVD drive.  Won't even read CD's right now
[02:35] <superm1> wow
[02:35] <superm1> thats ridiculous
[02:35] <foxbuntu__> tgm4883: the lightscribe destroys the drives
[02:35] <tgm4883> The good news is that I didn't really buy it.  It was for work so my company bought it, but it's still a PITA
[02:35] <tgm4883> Lightscribe destroys drives?  How?
[02:36] <superm1> i've never heard that before either
[02:36] <superm1> its different lasers
[02:36] <foxbuntu__> tgm4883: it wears the laser out way faster than normal
[02:36] <superm1> foxbuntu__, do you have an article your referencing regarding that?
[02:36] <rogue780> I think what lightscribe drives need is a really big "laser"
[02:37] <foxbuntu__> in my experience with those drives the more you use that feature the faster they die
[02:37] <rogue780> anyone on pownce?
[02:37] <superm1> rogue780, what is that?
[02:37] <tgm4883> I'm not that impressed with lightscribe anyway.  It's better than sharpie, but you still need special disks. If I need special disks anyway, I might as well buy the ones you can print on and get color
[02:37] <rogue780> http://digg.com/software/Pownce_Up_close_and_personal
[02:38] <tgm4883> I could see the motor wearing out faster, but not the laser
[02:38] <rogue780>  http://www.addoneword.com/ ---anyone can contribute to the story one word at a time....how could this possibly end up badly?
[02:39] <foxbuntu__> its been awhile since i have delt with them...but i blew up a few of them using that (back when I "rented" hardware from bby)
[02:39] <rogue780> you can rent hardware? wtf?
[02:40] <foxbuntu__> yea credit card + bby + 30 day return policy = rental
[02:40] <tgm4883> lol
[02:40] <tgm4883> thats borderline fraud isn't it
[02:41] <foxbuntu__> no, because if you don't like it you can return it, says so right in the policy
[02:41] <foxbuntu__> (former bby employee)
[02:41] <foxbuntu__> lol
[02:42] <tgm4883> with the stipulation that you are returning it because you didn't like it.  Not premeditating that you planed on returning it before you bought it
[02:42] <foxbuntu__> you can't do it alot or they wont let you return stuff anymore...but none the less
[02:42] <foxbuntu__> but they would have to prove that
[02:43] <superm1> keescook, some time back i had asked you about how to checkout just the latest part of a bzr branch.  i learned this weekend bzr co --lightweight only checks out the last revision, so all the history before hand is ignored
[02:43] <tgm4883> Thats not the point though
[02:43] <tgm4883> There are a lot of things that you can get away with that they wouldn't be able to prove.  Doesn't mean that you should do it
[02:43] <foxbuntu__> lol...I only ever rented parts I didnt have for testing at the time (which anymore, i have too may parts)
[02:44] <tgm4883> lol, my problem too, to many parts
[02:44] <foxbuntu__> you should see the piles of random junk I have
[02:45] <rogue780> I've got a rack-mount server measuring approx 3'x3' with dual PII-400mhz and two 9gb SCSI drives if anyone wants it. I'm in MD
[02:45] <tgm4883> rogue780, does that come with free shipping :)
[02:46] <rogue780> sure...just as long as you give me a ....say $50 UPS gift card ;)
[02:46] <tgm4883> Deal
[02:46] <tgm4883> j/k, im thinking it's more than $50 to send that to Oregon
[02:47] <tgm4883> It's amazing,  I can remember back when 133Mhz was the fastest machine out there.  I can also remember when I threw away 8 133Mhz machines
[02:47] <rogue780> Oregon...i'd forgotten. I wonder if I could take that on the airplane w/me. I'm comin' over there in Nov.
[02:47] <tgm4883> Yea, I'm sure homeland security would let that be your carry on
[02:48] <foxbuntu__> lol
[02:48] <foxbuntu__> yea you might hack into the avionics from the cabin with your wifi card and wireless electricity
[02:49] <foxbuntu__> and then over power them with your super jigga-watts on the flux capicitor
[02:50] <tgm4883> Superm1, what DVD burner do you have?
[02:51] <superm1> its a lite on
[02:51] <superm1> um
[02:51] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:51] <tgm4883> Heard some sketchy things about lite on and dvd standalone compatibility
[02:53] <superm1> well i've never had troubles
[02:54] <superm1> i usually burn native myth disks rather than DVD, but every so often i'll burn dvd, and they work out fine
[02:54] <tgm4883> you know which model?
[02:54] <superm1> let me fire it up and i'll see
[02:55] <tgm4883> oh and just so everyone knows, mine that broke is the HP 840i
[02:56] <tgm4883> Currently im looking at a NEC and a Pioneer
[02:57] <tgm4883> I do have a single layer lite on dvd burner
[02:57] <superm1> LITE-ON  DVDRW SHW-160P6S PS01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[03:01] <tgm4883> So you would recommend that drive?
[03:02] <superm1> i haven't had a single issue with it yet, but i'm sure there are newer faster drives
[03:02] <superm1> and such
[03:03] <tgm4883> I have a LDW-411S and its ok, but I seemed to have a seeking problem with the one disk that I burned using mytharchive
[03:03] <tgm4883> One question about mytharchive, does it make any chapters when it makes a dvd?
[03:03] <superm1> yes
[03:03] <tgm4883> how does it decide where?
[03:04] <superm1> i'm not sure actually
[03:04] <superm1> how it decides
[03:04] <tgm4883> I would guess that it's one of three ways
[03:04] <tgm4883> 1.  every 5 minutes
[03:04] <tgm4883> 2.  Scene changes
[03:04] <tgm4883> 3.  commercials
[03:04] <tgm4883> I would hope for commercials
[03:05] <superm1> its probably 1
[03:05] <superm1> commercials i know for sure its not
[03:05] <superm1> you need to have a cutlist prepared
[03:05] <superm1> before you burn
[03:07] <tgm4883> a cutlist would remove the commercials
[03:07] <tgm4883> right?
[03:07] <superm1> right
[03:07] <tgm4883> ok
[03:07] <superm1> you can use the flagging to make the cutlist
[03:07] <superm1> but you need to make sure its made before you burn
[03:08] <tgm4883> so the flagging will make the cutlist (providing i go in there it should already be done)?
[03:08] <superm1> well its still a manual step
[03:08] <superm1> think of it as you need to 'verify'
[03:08] <superm1> that it was right
[03:09] <tgm4883> right, but i dont have to go in there, find where the commercial starts, and manually do it that way
[03:09] <superm1> what you do is open up the recording
[03:09] <superm1> hit e
[03:09] <superm1> and then hit z
[03:09] <superm1> which loads your comm skips
[03:09] <superm1> into the cutlist
[03:09] <superm1> if they are accurate you hit escape
[03:09] <superm1> otherwise you fix them
[03:10] <tgm4883> I don't suppose those are mapped to the MCE remote
[03:10] <superm1> well z is
[03:10] <superm1> its comm skip forwards
[03:10] <superm1> i dont know if e is
[03:10] <superm1> you can also hit menu
[03:10] <superm1> and pick edit
[03:11] <superm1> i'm a bit of a perfectionist, so i always go through and make sure each one is dead on
[03:11] <superm1> there are other keys to navigate in edit mode
[03:11] <superm1> up and down change the time scale of jumps
[03:11] <superm1> pg up and pg down jump between cut points
[03:11] <superm1> and left and right move the selected amount of time scale
[03:11] <superm1> forward or back
[03:11] <tgm4883> How is the final edit on the finished dvd?  Is it a smooth transition, or more of a cut and tape together
[03:12] <superm1> thats all up to you
[03:12] <superm1> where you make the cuts
[03:12] <superm1> and how accurate you will be on it
[03:12] <tgm4883> right, but im assuming that its not a sweet little fade out,
[03:12] <tgm4883> its more like the commercial skip where it just jumps
[03:13] <superm1> well
[03:13] <superm1> you can make them nice fade outs if the show uses them already
[03:13] <superm1> and you cut at the right place
[03:13] <tgm4883> ok
[03:14] <foxbuntu___> superm1: great...the fun continues, my wifi router is dying now
[03:14] <superm1> foxbuntu___, these things always happen in groups, never one at a time
[03:15] <tgm4883> foxbuntu___, thats never good, unless it gives you a reason to upgrade to 802.11n, but I think its a little early for that
[03:16] <foxbuntu___> yea, n stardard isnt set to even be agreed on by the fcc until Sept of 08 at the earliest, but looking more like Sept of 09
[03:17] <tgm4883> oh i thought they were looking at 08 for release
[03:19] <tgm4883> im just going by wikipedia
[03:20] <foxbuntu___> nope, just talked to a company today that builds wifi AP's and they said their devs just had a meeting saying that if everything goes to plan 08 but more likely to get pushed to 09
[03:20] <foxbuntu___> for the N-Standard
[03:21] <tgm4883> ah
[03:21] <tgm4883> :( I need my N
[03:22] <tgm4883> So im assuming that the intel 4965 is pre N then?
[03:23] <foxbuntu___> yes
[03:23] <foxbuntu___> superm1:
[03:23] <superm1> yes?
[03:23] <foxbuntu___> superm1: now to add to this....man I am screwed...my washing machine is acting up, just found out from the wife
[03:24] <superm1> sounds to me like that LCD TV isn't being purchased any time soon?
[03:25] <foxbuntu___> yea...that gettin knocked right off the list
[03:25] <foxbuntu___> damn it
[03:26] <foxbuntu___> we'll see about the washer...might just be OE
[03:32] <Daviey> poor foxbuntu___
[03:32] <superm1> Daviey, what are you still doing up :)
[03:33] <Daviey> sorry sir
[03:33] <foxbuntu___> poor foxbuntu___  indeed
[03:33] <Daviey> just got up to get the daughter a drink and walked past the screen
[03:33] <superm1> ah
[03:33] <Daviey> I'll go again if that's what you want
[03:33] <Daviey> :)
[03:33] <foxbuntu___> everytime i get close to getting a HDTV...this crap happens...owning a house and being married sucks....no fun money anymore :(
[03:34] <superm1> i want some working metas, can you get those too? :S
[03:34] <foxbuntu___> lol
[03:34] <Daviey> yeah, i'll grab them now
[03:34] <Daviey> nn
[03:34] <superm1> night Daviey
[03:36] <foxbuntu___> superm1: is ntp installed on the mythbuntu package?
[03:36] <superm1> yes
[03:36] <foxbuntu___> ok...j/w cuz I don't think my backend has ntp right now
[03:37] <superm1> if its feisty it does
[03:37] <foxbuntu___> not setup then
[03:37] <foxbuntu___> my time seems to fallen off like 20 secs or so
[03:37] <superm1> there is no 'setup' to it
[03:38] <superm1> you can add other servers if you want
[03:38] <superm1> but the ntp daemon is always running
[03:38] <foxbuntu___> oh...do you know any reason ssh would login dirt slow
[03:38] <superm1> a lot of IO going
[03:39] <foxbuntu___> ok
[03:39] <foxbuntu___> figured it was just the machine is busy
[03:39] <foxbuntu___> but thought I would check
[03:41] <foxbuntu___> hmm...ntptime is correct so then I need to adjust the mythtv setting for start/end
[03:48] <foxbuntu> superm1: I just got to thinking...I could get a 23" apple lcd and have 1080p HD TV from myth
[03:49] <superm1> those require dual link DVI though i think
[03:49] <superm1> make sure your video card supports it
[03:50] <foxbuntu> I could get one (the card I have in the frontend now is an MX400, not exactly HD)
[03:50] <superm1> its not a matter of the card being able to support HD content
[03:50] <superm1> its a matter if the port is dual link dvi
[03:54] <foxbuntu> yea
[03:54] <foxbuntu> I would love to just get a Mac
[03:55] <foxbuntu> and an iPhone
[03:55] <foxbuntu> lol
[04:59] <superm1> _MMA_, So I wanted to touch bases with you on how you prepared your seeds
[04:59] <_MMA_> Oh.
[04:59] <superm1> because we were going to formulate our metas
[04:59] <_MMA_> Thats a joejaxx question. :)
[04:59] <superm1> and make seeds
[04:59] <superm1> ah :)
[05:00] <_MMA_> He's that mastermind.
[05:00] <superm1> Okay i'll check with him.  thanks!.  also, fyi, we just got our stuff merged into ubiquity mainline
[05:00] <_MMA_> Invite him in here.
[05:00] <superm1> you might want to take a look how it was done
[05:00] <_MMA_> Im sure hes around.
[05:00] <superm1> if your interested in a desktop release next time around or two (rather than alternate disk)
[05:01] <_MMA_> Naa..
[05:01] <_MMA_> Doesnt fit our needs/audience.
[05:01] <superm1> ah okay
[05:06] <superm1> Hi Hobbsee, what brings you to #ubuntu-mythtv this evenin?
[05:06] <superm1> er morning in your case i guess :)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> hi superm1
[05:06] <Hobbsee> superm1: just saw the discussions on releases and stuff, so thought i'd look in
[05:07] <superm1> ah.  i was poking about formulating seeds properly
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:07] <superm1> Daviey and I were trying to sort out the right way to base from the seeds ubuntu-archive used
[05:07] <Hobbsee> how do you build your cds thougH?
[05:07] <superm1> to make metas
[05:07] <superm1> its a build script that i hand wrote
[05:08] <superm1> Hobbsee, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070702054002-svmnn1mexy4k1foz?file_id=mythbuntu_install.sh-20070512013830-8pfzx9g2zarg2sxf-12
[05:10] <Hobbsee> looking
[05:11] <superm1> go for it :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> is ubuntu-mythtv (hearby known as mythtv), an official ubuntu flavour?
[05:13] <superm1> well i dont know if its 'official', per say, but the name mythbuntu and the mythbuntu team was recognized at the CC meeting a few weeks ago.
[05:13] <superm1> i dont think it can be 'official', because it uses items from multiverse
[05:13] <Hobbsee> er...does that make it legal to host on mythbuntu.org?
[05:14] <imbrandon> superm1, ubuntu's choice is not to use multiverse ootb, dosent make mythbuntu less officialseeing as how i host mythbuntu.org yes :)
[05:14] <superm1> well i'll step around that question and say its not canonical's problem at that point.
[05:15] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[05:15] <Hobbsee> heh, right.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon!  :)
[05:15] <superm1> Hi imbrandon
[05:15] <Hobbsee> superm1: and it's built on gutsy?
[05:15] <superm1> yes
[05:16] <Hobbsee> superm1: well, on the current development release?
[05:16] <imbrandon> kinda like the choice of studio to use only alternate and edubuntu to use 2 cd's , they are still oficial , just not the way ubuntu does it
[05:16] <Hobbsee> superm1: i'm wondering a) if it's desirable, and b)  if it's possible to run the seeds as ubuntu and flavours do, and so therefore get all the merges of the ubuntu seeds, and get the images, etc, built in the DC
[05:16] <superm1> how does the build process work in the DC though?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> but that likely means canonical would have to host the images, and i suspect they might not want to do that...
[05:17] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, how would it be any diffrent than them hosting the multiverse repo its self
[05:17] <imbrandon> :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's a point
[05:17] <imbrandon> and yes someday canonical will likely host the images, but more myth team will have to be main devs to kick off the builds and seeds
[05:17] <imbrandon> same as studio
[05:18] <superm1> imbrandon, is studio still hosting on their own server for gutsy?  Or will they be on a canonical server?
[05:18] <imbrandon> kinda like when xubuntu became a official flavor
[05:18] <imbrandon> superm1, i host studio too
[05:18] <imbrandon> for now
[05:18] <superm1> oh right, forgot :)
[05:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:18] <imbrandon> heya _MMA_ when did you sneak in
[05:18] <imbrandon> :)
[05:19] <_MMA_> grr..
[05:19] <_MMA_> Ah huh.
[05:19] <superm1> _MMA_, mailing list issues?
[05:19] <imbrandon> superm1, yea i still havent setup his private ML yet, been procratonating
[05:20] <_MMA_> Well imbrandon generously offered hosting services but has yet to get the ML up. :(
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon:it builds in the data centre - i dont know how official it is.
[05:20] <_MMA_> (he's lacking follow through)
[05:20] <_MMA_> ;)
[05:20] <superm1> he was going to make us something like that too :)
[05:20] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, huh ?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the builds require access to the DC - most main devs dont have that
[05:20] <imbrandon> official what is ?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> but seeds, yeah.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon:it builds in the data centre - i dont know how official it is.  (xubuntu, sorry, got called afk)
[05:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, some do, like orga etc
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yeah, ogra does, true
[05:21] <superm1> so who actually queues up the builds in the DC then?
[05:21] <imbrandon> xubuntu is official
[05:21] <imbrandon> superm1, depends on the flavor
[05:21] <Hobbsee> superm1: the release manager, or a member of the release team
[05:21] <imbrandon> and who the RM is for that releaser
[05:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, for ubuntu yes
[05:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont believe ogra actually builds cds, btw.
[05:21] <imbrandon> not for the flavors
[05:21] <imbrandon> yes
[05:21] <imbrandon> he does
[05:21] <Hobbsee> RM also does kubuntu
[05:22] <_MMA_> imbrandon: PM
[05:22] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, as does riddle at times
[05:22] <Hobbsee> true (now)
[05:22] <imbrandon> always has been time permittting
[05:22] <imbrandon> :)
[05:22] <imbrandon> thats why orga and other became main when xubuntu became official
[05:22] <imbrandon> _MMA_, one sec
[05:22] <_MMA_> k
[05:23] <Hobbsee> well, i guess technically anyone can build them, if htey have access to drescher
[05:23] <imbrandon> :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> i was assuming can != do, though :P
[05:23] <imbrandon> :)
[05:24] <superm1> Hobbsee, to that effect then, i'm assuming we should wait a release cycle before trying to get into being built on the DC?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> superm1: no idea.  you'd need to have the seeds and that in place, but i dont believe it's any harder than that. ask pitti when he comes online.
[05:25] <superm1> Hobbsee, and would you be able to comment on properly building the seeds?
[05:25] <imbrandon> superm1, i'm gonna move you to lighttpd tonight and setup the traffic graphs
[05:26] <Hobbsee> superm1: as in, how to create them?
[05:26] <superm1> as in how to create them, and what needs to be in them
[05:26] <superm1> k imbrandon
[05:26] <imbrandon> superm1, joejax is the man to poke about getting the seeds prepared
[05:26] <Hobbsee> superm1: the seeds for the flavours are in bzr.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[05:26] <_MMA_> He's on. I told him to join.
[05:26] <superm1> i invited him
[05:26] <_MMA_> k
[05:27] <superm1> that would be the page that i was wondering if existed
[05:27] <Hobbsee> superm1: and look at the current seeds for examples
[05:27] <superm1> Hi joejaxx
[05:27] <joejaxx> Good Evening All
[05:27] <joejaxx> hello
[05:27] <imbrandon> lo joe
[05:27] <_MMA_> superm1: Why weret you in the -derivative meeting? Are you on the ML?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hiya joejaxx
[05:28] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :)
[05:28] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: :)
[05:28] <joejaxx> hello all
[05:28] <superm1> _MMA_, Didn't even know there was such a mailing list or meeting
[05:28] <superm1> i'll join
[05:28] <_MMA_> k
[05:28] <superm1> joejaxx, I was looking for some pointers as for getting the seeds prepared for mythbuntu
[05:28] <joejaxx> oh
[05:29] <joejaxx> for canonical builds? or just mythbuntu specific?
[05:29] <superm1> well for now they will be mythbuntu specific, but ideally maintain compatibility so that we could move to canonical builds at some point
[05:29] <joejaxx> ok
[05:30] <joejaxx> you are going to want to get the source for ubuntu-meta
[05:30] <superm1> right, and i saw that you germinate from a seed
[05:30] <superm1> and that seed is in a bzr branch
[05:30] <joejaxx> yes there are two methods
[05:30] <joejaxx> over http and the other is bzr
[05:30] <joejaxx> you are probably going to want to do bzr
[05:31] <joejaxx> that is something i have to setup this release cycle with uS
[05:31] <superm1> (us) being fluxbuntu?
[05:31] <joejaxx> uS == ubuntu studio
[05:31] <superm1> ah
[05:31] <joejaxx> yeap :)
[05:31] <joejaxx> so you will edit the seeds through bzr branch
[05:32] <joejaxx> and when you go to build the package you run a script
[05:32] <joejaxx> it goes out and gets the depends/recommends for each arch that ubuntu supports
[05:32] <superm1> (the ./update script)?
[05:32] <joejaxx> yes
[05:32] <joejaxx> after that finishes you build the package
[05:33] <superm1> now in writing the seeds that ubuntu-studio will be using, i'm assuming you will leave all the ones there intact, and add another one entitled ubuntu-studio-live, or something to that effect?
[05:33] <joejaxx> it will also auto increment the changelog for you with the packages you added/remove from last version
[05:34] <superm1> and within STRUCTURE, list the others its depending on, minimal, standard, boot, etc?
[05:34] <joejaxx> superm1: oh no we do not use the live seed because we do not have livecds
[05:34] <superm1> oh right
[05:34] <joejaxx> superm1: yes
[05:34] <superm1> (well in our case) we're exclusively live disks, so we would then
[05:34] <joejaxx> ah ok
[05:35] <superm1> now what about the syntax in the seed, what are the = or == breaking apart?
[05:35] <superm1> subsections i'd assume, but why different levels
[05:37] <joejaxx> well the = is a major section
[05:37] <joejaxx> for example
[05:37] <joejaxx> = Hardware and Architecture Support =
[05:37] <joejaxx> then it goes into
[05:37] <joejaxx> == Architecture-independent ==
[05:38] <joejaxx> == i386, i686, amd64 ==
[05:38] <superm1> so why would you break them into subsections though? (Where is that used then?)
[05:38] <joejaxx> it is just like having an outline of sorts
[05:38] <superm1> just for organization when writing?
[05:38] <joejaxx> yes
[05:39] <superm1> ahhh.  that finally would make sense then
[05:39] <superm1> and it appears that any line that doesnt start with a space is ignored too, as there are countless instances of stuff like "Email:" or "Other:"
[05:39] <joejaxx> yeah
[05:39] <joejaxx> #comments like these are ignored
[05:40] <joejaxx> it looks for
[05:40] <joejaxx> " * package"
[05:40] <superm1> okay and what about if you look at the file 'live', there are a lot of lines that start with "Task"
[05:40] <Hobbsee> speaking of seeds...
[05:41] <joejaxx> superm1: you are not going to need those until Canonical starts building your discs
[05:41] <joejaxx> so i would not worry about those for now
[05:41] <superm1> okay, then won't worry atm
[05:41] <_MMA_> superm1: Just FYI: #ubuntu-derivative
[05:42] <superm1> joejaxx, and i won't need to list dependencies within the seed at all, since they are all calculated by the germination process
[05:42] <superm1> ex, mythtv-frontend and mythtv-common wouldn't need to both be there
[05:42] <joejaxx> yeah
[05:43] <joejaxx> oh and
[05:43] <joejaxx> " * (package)" are recommends
[05:44] <superm1> ok
[05:44] <joejaxx> :)
[05:44] <superm1> for this release cycle if we're not going to be built by canonical, should i bug a core-dev to commit us into the main seed bzr branch?
[05:44] <superm1> or probably not going to be a big deal
[05:45] <joejaxx> i do not know if they are going to do that but you can specify any bzr branch in the package
[05:45] <joejaxx> and update it later if the repository moves
[05:45] <superm1> ah yes thats right
[05:46] <superm1> well then for now we can just make a branch of that bzr branch, and should we ever need to merge it will be straightforward for a core dev to do
[05:46] <_MMA_> Have fun guys. :)
[05:46] <joejaxx> superm1: yeah
[05:47] <superm1> okay sounds like i've got a good wealth of info here to get going on this then, and make these seeds right :)
[05:47] <superm1> thanks joejaxx
[05:48] <joejaxx> superm1: you are most welcome :)
[05:52] <joejaxx> superm1: i do not know what method you all use to create the isos but just make sure you have EVERYTHING packaged when it comes time for Canonical to build your discs
[05:52] <superm1> joejaxx, its a custom script right now
[05:52] <superm1> that i wrote
[05:52] <joejaxx> superm1: it will greatly speed up the process because you do not have to package everything when the time comes
[05:52] <joejaxx> superm1: oh ok
[05:52] <superm1> by making the metas, we were hoping to cut down the size of the script
[05:53] <joejaxx> ok
[05:53] <superm1> how do you handle shipping the first files for configuring the system in the canonical build process though?
[05:53] <joejaxx> so the artwork and other stuff is packaged ?
[05:53] <superm1> yes
[05:53] <joejaxx> ok cool :)
[05:53] <superm1> well all but one piece is
[05:53] <joejaxx> ok
[05:53] <superm1> let me show you our script
[05:53] <superm1> my question will make more sense
[05:53] <superm1> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070702054002-svmnn1mexy4k1foz?file_id=mythbuntu_install.sh-20070512013830-8pfzx9g2zarg2sxf-12
[05:56] <joejaxx> oh you mean the config stuff like this?
[05:56] <superm1> yes
[05:57] <superm1> like the first generation of /etc/apt/sources.list and the setting of toe interfaces
[05:57] <superm1> locale
[05:57] <superm1> kernel-img.conf
[05:57] <joejaxx>  /etc/xdg/mythtv-ubuntu/gdm/mythbuntu-gdm-noautologin.conf <<EOF << like this
[05:57] <superm1> little things that i realized needed to be configured
[05:57] <joejaxx> hmm
[05:57] <superm1> well stuff like that was going to be part of the metas
[05:57] <superm1> if at all possible
[05:57] <superm1> i'm not sure if it was legit to do it that way, but its the plan for now
[05:58] <joejaxx> ok
[05:58] <superm1> so after the seeds were sorted out, i was going to try to include as much of those conf files as possible in the metas generated from the seeds
[05:58] <joejaxx> you need to make a mythbuntu-default-settings package
[05:58] <joejaxx> anything that is related to the build process
[05:58] <joejaxx> should not go into that package
[05:59] <superm1> *not*?
[05:59] <joejaxx> but thinks like gdm settings etc will have to go into it
[05:59] <joejaxx> superm1: yes
[05:59] <superm1> okay and things that are related to the build process, where should they be goign then?
[05:59] <joejaxx> well it depends
[05:59] <joejaxx> if you are building the discs then they stay in that script
[06:00] <joejaxx> but if canonical is building them they are taking care of that
[06:00] <joejaxx> you basically want all your userland config to be in that package
[06:00] <superm1> "they are taking care of that", as in they have it as part of their build process
[06:00] <superm1> a script that runs things like that
[06:00] <joejaxx> s/config/configs/g
[06:00] <superm1> like setting locale
[06:01] <joejaxx> Canonical's buildd will take care of anything building related
[06:01] <joejaxx> which is why you need to package all the non-build related stuff
[06:01] <superm1> atm these canonical buildds are mysterious magic boxes :)
[06:02] <joejaxx> so that when for example
[06:02] <superm1> to me at least
[06:02] <joejaxx> you call
[06:02] <joejaxx> apt-get install blah1 blah2
[06:02] <joejaxx> you can add mythbuntu-default-settings to that line
[06:02] <superm1> right
[06:02] <joejaxx> and all of the configuration stuff will be handled by that package
[06:03] <superm1> ideally would mythbuntu-default-settings depend on the other metas, say mythbuntu-standalone or mythbuntu-live (the ones made from the seeds)
[06:03] <superm1> or should they all be independent of one another
[06:03] <joejaxx> independent
[06:03] <superm1> ok
[06:04] <superm1> well some of the configuration stuff in there depends upon packages already being installed though
[06:04] <superm1> like update-rc.d -f mythtv-backend remove
[06:04] <superm1> so then perhaps just installing mythbuntu-default-settings last?
[06:05] <joejaxx> hmm
[06:05] <joejaxx> for the time being yes
[06:06] <superm1> and likely for it to pass -motu, mythtv-backend mysql, apache2, ntp, samba, openssh-server will need to be dependencies of mythbuntu-default-settings too
[06:06] <joejaxx> wait
[06:07] <joejaxx> is the update-rc.d -f mythtv-backend build related?
[06:07] <superm1> well yes and no
[06:07] <superm1> the first boot isn't supposed to have any of those services on
[06:07] <superm1> since the first boot is a live disk mode
[06:07] <superm1> and ubiquity activates them
[06:07] <superm1> as needed
[06:07] <superm1> and removes the packages for the ones it doesnt
[06:08] <joejaxx> oh so those are just livecd tweaks
[06:09] <superm1> those particular lines yes
[06:09] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:09] <superm1> the livecd can run with them activated, but thats a bit silly
[06:09] <joejaxx> then i do not think you have to worry about that then
[06:09] <superm1> count them towards 'the build process'
[06:09] <superm1> and dont put them in mythbuntu-default-settings
[06:09] <joejaxx> yes
[06:09] <joejaxx> yes
[06:10] <superm1> how have you guys been doing your build process?  via a similar type of script?
[06:11] <joejaxx> i have written a custom build daemon/script
[06:11] <superm1> I think _MMA_ had mentioned something about a tasksel option in the alternate CD mode?
[06:11] <joejaxx> that handles multiple distros
[06:11] <superm1> which i'm assuming does lots of similar stuff to what i'm doing by hand?
[06:11] <joejaxx> yeah but i do not know if you are going to need that
[06:12] <joejaxx> the tasksel
[06:12] <superm1> what is that exactly? I've heard the term tossed around
[06:12] <joejaxx> you know the ubuntu server disc?
[06:12] <superm1> yes
[06:12] <joejaxx> where it asks you whether you want to install a dns server ot webserver?
[06:12] <joejaxx> that is tasksel
[06:13] <superm1> so it adds a list of packages to a manifest somewhere
[06:13] <superm1> i'm assuming it preseeds a debconf question?
[06:13] <joejaxx> yeah
[06:13] <joejaxx> but that is way different than the livecd
[06:13] <joejaxx> the alt discs
[06:13] <superm1> well see that got me curious though because the live cd uses this still
[06:14] <superm1> APPEND  file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.gz quiet splash --
[06:14] <joejaxx> yeah but i do not think ubiquity has tasksel support
[06:14] <superm1> oh so thats just a remenant of the alt cd then
[06:14] <superm1> and that file=.... can really be removed
[06:15] <joejaxx> what is in that ubuntu.seed?
[06:15] <superm1> tasksel tasksel/first   multiselect ubuntu-desktop
[06:15] <joejaxx> file*
[06:15] <joejaxx> interesting
[06:15] <superm1> i dont believe ubiquity is doing anything with it though, because that line hasn't affected the mythbuntu frontend that i wrote for it
[06:15] <joejaxx> hmm
[06:16] <superm1> and i haven't seen any references in the code to anything tasksel related as I was writing it
[06:16] <joejaxx> i will have to look into that
[06:17] <superm1> what about artwork that is used in the isolinux splash?
[06:17] <superm1> what kind of package does that need to be put into?
[06:18] <joejaxx> gfxboot-theme-mythbuntu
[06:19] <superm1> alright then thats another one that will need to be submitted yet -
[06:19] <joejaxx> i believe that is the one
[06:19] <joejaxx> althought kubuntu and xubuntu do not have one of those
[06:19] <superm1> you guys submitted a gfxboot-theme-ubuntustudio yet?
[06:19] <superm1> or no
[06:19] <joejaxx> no
[06:19] <joejaxx> all of that is handled by the buil daemon
[06:20] <joejaxx> build*
[06:20] <superm1> what will you do when you go to canonical servers then?
[06:20] <joejaxx> superm1: with the syslinux i think they might have that stuff local on the servers
[06:21] <superm1> hm.  Hobbsee do you know where the gfxboot theme for kubuntu is stored at ?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> gfxboot?
[06:22] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: yeah the install disc splash
[06:22] <superm1> the splash image used for isolinux
[06:22] <joejaxx> :)
[06:22] <superm1> is it in a package, or something else handled by the DCs that isn't packaged?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: kubuntu-artwork-usplash i thought... but not sure
[06:23] <Hobbsee> it wouldnt be hidden in the DC
[06:23] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: no not usplash
[06:23] <Hobbsee> well, shouldnt be
[06:23] <superm1> well that is the usplash artwork - not isolinux artwork is in a different format
[06:23] <Hobbsee> i dont know, i dont have access at this point
[06:23] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:24] <superm1> i was hoping a rdepends on syslinux would tell me, but nope
[06:30] <joejaxx> well i am going to retire for the evening
[06:30] <joejaxx> Goodnight superm1 Hobbsee #u-mythtv :)
[06:30] <superm1> okay goodnight joejaxx
[06:30] <Hobbsee> night joejaxx
[06:30] <superm1> thanks a bunch :)
[06:31] <joejaxx> you are most welcome :)
[12:43] <Zentax> Hey any1 around that might know a little bit about lirc?
[12:43] <Zentax> I recently bought a Onkyo AMP a few days ago. And it comes with a "media centre" type remote which can be programed to control other devices such as DVD Players, PVR's etc..
[12:44] <Zentax> Im doing some research (my box is only half built) and noticed the latest (or closest) model remote supported is the 632M
[12:44] <Zentax> my remote is a 682.. I will attempt to use the 632M when i get it installed. But i was wondering if many any1 has had any experience in regards to using similar remotes than what is listed?
[04:43] <pitti> hi
[04:43] <superm1> hi pitti
[04:43] <superm1> 'us' being mythbuntu
[04:44] <superm1> joejaxx alluded a bit to what's involved with getting built in the DC, regarding setting up our seeds and making sure all the customizations to our build process being packaged
[04:44] <pitti> superm1: not sure what you mean with 'DC'
[04:44] <superm1> ah, data centre
[04:45] <pitti> you mean uploading the mythbuntu packages into official Ubuntu universe?
[04:45] <superm1> well we already have packages going into universe
[04:45] <superm1> i'm saying building our ISOs
[04:45] <pitti> so, these should get built, don't they?
[04:45] <pitti> oh
[04:45] <Daviey> superm1: i haven't quite caught up on scrollback - thanks for the heads up tho
[04:45] <superm1> k Daviey
[04:45] <superm1> currently they are built by a script that I wrote, sitting on imbrandon's server
[04:46] <pitti> superm1: this involves quite a bit of things, and I cannot decide that on my own
[04:46] <superm1> i have imagined that to be the case.
[04:46] <pitti> superm1: I suggest to mail Matt Zimmerman about this
[04:46] <pitti> it's generally possible since we do it with Xubuntu
[04:46] <superm1> alright, i can do that.
[04:47] <superm1> right, and I heard that ubuntu studio may be getting the same sort of thing
[04:47] <superm1> after they sort out a few items
[04:47] <superm1> it was a release cycle or two until Xubuntu was actually built in the DC though wasn't it?
[04:47] <Daviey> Is this using canonical's machines to build iso's?
[04:47] <pitti> right, it only started in Dapper
[04:48] <superm1> Daviey, yes
[04:49] <Daviey> That would be good considering pegasys is kinda weak, especially for AMD64's :)
[04:49] <superm1> pitti, i've got several other questions here, but they are probably better to be asked after mdz gives a +1/-1 on the idea
[04:50] <superm1> i'll mail him
[04:50] <superm1> thanks
[04:50] <pitti> superm1: he will probably ask you some more questions, specifically about the level of commitment and work you can put into this
[04:50] <pitti> for resolving problems with the CDs, getting them tested, etc.
[04:51] <pitti> superm1: good luck, thank you!
[04:51] <Daviey> i would hope that the distance we have come since starting would be a good sign of commitment
[04:51] <DaveMorris> Daviey: Did they tell you, the goal posts are always moving
[04:52] <pitti> superm1, Daviey: I guess we'll invite you to a TB or distro team IRC meeting for this
[04:52] <DaveMorris> s/did/didn't
[04:52] <DaveMorris> !logs
[04:52] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:52] <superm1> that sounds like it'd be ideal way to talk to everyone about this
[04:52] <Daviey> pitti: do you know when they are next held?
[04:53] <pitti> Daviey: distro team meeting is every Thursday, TB meeting every other Tuesday, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[04:53] <Daviey> ty
[04:54] <superm1> i'll wait to see what mdz says before putting us on the agenda for either
[04:54] <pitti> superm1: distro team meeting is not the right forum for this anyway, it'll most likely be TB
[04:55] <superm1> well also, as joejaxx had discussed with me yesterday, there are a few things that will need to be changed before we'd even be considered to be put right into the build DC
[04:56] <pitti> superm1: do you already use the metapackages and seed structure we have in {,k,ed,x}ubuntu?
[04:56] <DaveMorris> I'm guessing chucking out the mscorefonts ;)
[04:56] <superm1> pitti, that is what we need to get going, and joejaxx was discussing with us :)
[04:56] <pitti> ah
[04:56] <superm1> pitti, actually one of them perhaps you can speak to.  the isolinux splash images, I can't seem to figure out where they are stored package wise
[04:57] <superm1> for {,k,ed,x}ubuntu
[04:57] <pitti> superm1: I think that's gfxboot-theme-ubuntu
[04:57] <superm1> or are they just part of the things that sit on the DC
[04:57] <superm1> all of them?
[04:57] <pitti> no, other derivatives have their own
[04:57] <superm1> well i don't see one for {k,x,or ed} ubuntu
[04:58] <superm1> there is a sles, suse, and nld package out there
[04:58] <pitti> but I'm not sure where they are; asking Riddell or cjwatson may help
[04:58] <pitti> or kwwii
[04:58] <superm1> ok, i'll poke one of them later on today to see
[07:33] <ripok> Hello
[07:35] <ripok> i have litle problem trying to install mythbuntu 7.10
[07:36] <laga> yeah?
[07:38] <ripok> Installation goes well until it tries to detect hardware. Progresbar goes to 90% and then it stucks...
[07:39] <laga> does that happen with ubuntu 7.04 as well?
[07:39] <ripok> I haven't tried earlier versions of mythbuntu
[07:41] <ripok> is that more problem of new ubuntu than mythbuntu?
[07:42] <laga> duh, sorry. mythbuntu is tracking gutsy now.
[07:42] <laga> i haven't tried it yet, but can't you choose a failsafe mode?
[07:44] <ripok> Oh the livecd starts normally but when I start to install mythbuntu it hangs on "Detecting hardware, please wait..." 90%
[07:49] <laga> hum.
[07:49] <laga> ok, you'll have to talk to superm1 about that, i guess
[07:50] <ripok> ok
[07:52] <laga> superm1_: you here?
[08:33] <ripok> laga: duh, i rebooted computer and started installation again. Now it passed and I got it installed...I don't did I something differently or what...
[08:35] <laga> ripok: it was just a hiccup probably :)
[08:37] <ripok> laga: maybe :-)
[08:53] <ripok> from where mythtv tries to locate videos?
[08:55] <laga> what videos?
[08:55] <laga> for mythvideo?
[08:55] <ripok> yes
[08:57] <laga>  /var/lib/mythtv/videos i think
[08:57] <laga> you can change that, though
[08:59] <ripok> ok
[09:01] <laga> superm1_: juski is moving his themes to a CC licence that might make it impossible to include them in mythbuntu. guess he hasn't decided yet which CC licence he's gonna use
[09:45] <kruuli> elo bois :>
[09:48] <kruuli> superm1 any news on implementing the unichrome drivers?
[10:04] <superm1> ripok, i just got here
[10:04] <superm1> but only for a few moments
[10:04] <superm1> that detecting hardware at 90 percent is the same one that is used in normal ubiquity
[10:04] <superm1> you might have found a bug in ubiquity
[10:04] <superm1> could you submit /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman
[10:04] <superm1> either on pastebin or on a bug report
[10:05] <superm1> !pastebin | ripok
[10:05] <ubotu> ripok: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:05] <superm1> i'll be back in 20-50 min
[10:42] <superm1> oh i should have read more scroll back, ripok appears to have solved it :)
[10:42] <superm1> laga, how sure is juski on moving to a CC license?
[10:42] <laga> superm1: looks like his current themes will stay GPL, new ones will be CC
[10:43] <superm1> laga, tgm4883 rogue780 foxbuntu subscribe to the newly formed ubuntu-mythtv mailing list.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[10:43] <laga> he got annoyed ebcause some company is selling mythtv boxen including his themes
[10:43] <laga> k
[10:43] <superm1> well but they will also be part of that theme grabber
[10:43] <superm1> in 0.21
[10:43] <laga> :)
[10:43] <laga> probably
[10:43] <superm1> not too big a deal then
[10:51] <laga> can any of you do me a favor and run "tv_validate_file"? it's missing some includes here
[10:52] <superm1> me?
[10:52] <superm1> tv_validate_file?
[10:52] <superm1> what is this?
[10:52] <laga> that'd be nice
[10:52] <laga> it's part of XMLTV
[10:52] <laga> $here = ubuntu edgy whichwill very soon be upgraded to feisty
[10:53] <superm1> i'll have to install it first
[10:53] <superm1> is the feisty version ok?
[10:54] <laga> doesn't seem so, but i'm not sure if i installed a custom version of xmltv
[10:54] <laga> xmltv is quite vital for mythtv, i hope it's on mythbuntu
[10:54] <superm1> we can make it an option
[10:54] <laga> option?
[10:54] <superm1> although it needs command line configuration, does it not?
[10:54] <Daviey> laga: what themes are yours?
[10:55] <laga> everybody except for the US needs XMLTV
[10:55] <laga> Daviey: none
[10:55] <Daviey> 'none' hmm aint tried that one :)
[10:55] <laga> Daviey: guess it'll failback to GANT ;)
[10:55] <laga> superm1: xmltv is configured via mythtv-setup (in a terminal)
[10:55] <Daviey> laga: i don't agree that everybody needs xmltv - OTA works aswell
[10:56] <superm1> laga, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28394/
[10:56] <laga> i'm kinda writing my own grabber right now
[10:56] <laga> superm1: thanks, i'll report that one!
[10:56] <laga> Daviey: ah, right. sorry.
[10:57] <Daviey> but i do use it over ota as it provides 14days rather that 7 :)
[10:57] <laga> :)
[10:57] <laga> some of our DVB-eit only provides 3-4 days
[10:58] <Daviey> eek#