[12:49] <jjesse> that's intersting after all my upgrade problems i didn't have the complete package for open office org installed
[12:50] <jjesse> methinks its time to reload and start from scratch
[01:40] <coreymon77> man, im telling you
[01:41] <coreymon77> knetworkmanager is a complete piece of crap software that should never have been included
[01:41] <coreymon77> its awful
[01:41] <coreymon77> never works
[01:45] <jjesse> coreymon77: really?  i don't have any problems with it on my laptop
[03:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: are you having problems with dist-upgrade because of cupsys?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> in a chroot?
[03:44] <Jucato> nope. in gutsy
[03:44] <Jucato> today's upgrades
[03:44] <Hobbsee> havent tried
[03:44] <Jucato> ah ok... :)
[03:45] <Jucato> good morning-almost-noon btw Hobbsee :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:46] <Tm_T> oh, right, I didnt have op rights here
[03:46] <Hobbsee> problem solved.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> now just dont quit
[03:46] <Jucato> weee
[03:46] <Jucato> lol
[03:47] <Tm_T> done
[03:47] <Jucato> hm... IP looks very familiar...
[03:47] <Tm_T> Jucato: yes, xp_killer
[03:47] <Jucato> oh not him again?!?
[03:47] <Tm_T> yup
[03:47] <Tm_T> and he's gone worse
[03:48] <Jucato> sheesh! and I thought he's reformed... at least in #kubuntu... at least for the other day...
[03:49] <Tm_T> Jucato: nah, also ban evading, intentional or not
[03:49] <Jucato> he went by the nick of wii for a few days iirc
[03:49] <Tm_T> yup
[03:49] <Tm_T> apparently
[03:49] <Tm_T> but he had bans nontheles
[03:52] <Tm_T> back to libxine & KDE guis testing
[03:52] <Jucato> back to recompiling kde4 :)
[04:09] <nixternal> well well well
[04:15] <Jucato> evening nixternal
[04:15] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[04:16] <Jucato> evening jjesse!
[04:18] <claydoh> dang it my Konversation's settings erverted to stock lol
[04:18] <jjesse> for?
[04:18] <Jucato> claydoh: only the tab positions are
[04:18] <Jucato> unless you removed konversationrc in your home :)
[04:18] <claydoh> no, my systray went awat too
[04:19] <Jucato> oh...
[04:19] <claydoh> nope, i left it alone
[04:19] <claydoh> but alas, that looks to be it
[04:19] <Jucato> :)
[04:19] <Jucato> jjesse: was that question for me?
[04:19] <jjesse> Jucato: yeah why visa for us?
[04:20] <Jucato> I'm dreaming of going to the KDE 4 release party for free by joining the contest :)
[04:20] <Jucato> but then I realized upon waking up that I don't have a visa or a passport at all :)
[04:20] <claydoh> I must be the only one who thinks konvi's default layout/settings are not as good as they could be...
[04:21] <claydoh> Jucato: why would you need a visa?
[04:21] <Jucato> claydoh: I'm not in the US? :)
[04:21] <claydoh> just a passport I'd guess, unless you want to stay
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: cupsys already fixed, btw
[04:21] <jjesse> i think all you would need is a passport
[04:21] <Jucato> Hobbsee: coolness :)
[04:21] <Jucato> hm... I'll double check. afaik we need a visa to get into the US... :(
[04:22] <Jucato> even a tourist visa of sorts.. although I won't be staying that long *if* I do win
[04:22] <Jucato> hahahah!
[04:22] <claydoh> visas are for extended stays
[04:22] <nixternal> yes, all you would need is a passport, but seeing as you are Jucato, dude, you will need every piece of paper that you can find
[04:22] <claydoh> as in more than a few weeks
[04:22] <Jucato> lol!
[04:23] <Jucato> too bad it's in california though...
[04:23] <Jucato> all my folks are in NY...
[04:24] <nixternal> don't let them know that, they will end up sending your folks back :D
[04:24] <nixternal> this is the US, the land of the locked up
[04:24] <Jucato> sorry, they're american citizens already :)
[04:24] <nixternal> heh, and you think they care? :p
[04:24] <Jucato> I'll *make* them care :)
[04:25] <Jucato> or I'll threaten them with "I know nixternal!!!"
[04:25] <Jucato> that'll shut them up :)
[04:25] <nixternal> they keep talking about this "fence" they want to put on the borders...it isn't to keep out people from entering the US, it is to keep us from leaving!
[04:25] <Tm_T> Jucato: you scare me
[04:25] <Jucato> hahah :)
[04:25] <nixternal> holy schnikeys, do you think todays updates could be any larger?
[04:28] <Jucato> nah, who am I kidding! as if I'll win that darn contest... as if I have anything to answer that darn question :P
[04:28] <Tm_T> what question?
[04:29] <jjesse> i think im updating every package?
[04:29] <Jucato> "Why should you be put at the KDE 4.0 release event'
[04:30] <nixternal> that is easy, answer it with... "Because I am Jucato, that's why! Jeesh!"
[04:31] <Jucato> yeah... that would do. :)
[04:32] <Tm_T> haha
[04:32] <nixternal> 272MB in updates tonight...wow
[04:32] <Jucato> this works better. "Because I am Jucato, and I know nixternal! Any complaints?"
[04:33] <nixternal> you will definitely get denied, and then persecuted to the fullest extent
[04:33] <Jucato> hehehe
[04:33] <nixternal> jeesh, I asked this girl in Ubuntu Chicago to proof my essay, and she has had it for like 15 minutes...must be a bad one..that last one she did in a few minutes
[04:34] <nixternal> get me deported to Mexico, and I will forever be in your debt
[04:34] <nixternal> heh, maybe that isn't a good thing...one day down the road I will get my credit report and it will say "Bank of Jucato"
[04:34] <Jucato> lol
[04:35] <nixternal> lord knows it already has about 100 banks on it :)
[04:35] <Jucato> I'd be the 101st
[04:36] <nixternal> sounds like an army airborne unit to me
[04:36] <Jucato> hehe
[04:36] <nixternal> I need to play some Call of Duty I think
[04:39] <Jucato> omg! too much traffic
[05:09] <Jucato> whew! finally traffic died down :/
[06:04] <Tm_T> hmmmmm, so Gutsy has KDE-PIM Enterprise :p
[07:03] <Tm_T> who was our desktop settings wizard?
[07:50] <bootsmorris> hi all
[08:56] <kwwii> so, the update went horribly wrong
[09:01] <kwwii> oh well, no email - who needs email?
[09:02] <Jucato> hi kwwii!
[09:03] <kwwii> hi Jucato
[09:03] <kwwii> anyone know what to do if the version upgrade doesn't finish?
[09:03] <kwwii> I start adept manager to finish it and it says it cannot as things would break
[09:04] <kwwii> in the meantime my kontact is broken so I cannot read emails
[09:04] <Jucato> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends
[09:04] <kwwii> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[09:04] <kwwii> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                        [ OK ]
[09:04] <kwwii> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[09:04] <kwwii> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:05] <Jucato> oh yeah
[09:05] <kwwii> the biggest problem for me is the lack of email
[09:05] <Jucato> broken cupsys upgrade since hours ago
[09:05] <kwwii> imap works but pop does not for some reason
[09:07] <kwwii> working from home, email is somewhat of a must
[09:27] <Tm_T> hi \sh and good morning
[09:28] <\sh> moins Tm_T and all :)
[09:28] <Tm_T> guten morgen :)
[09:45] <Tm_T> kwwii: thats why I compile kdepim myself
[10:09] <Tm_T> good evening Hobbsee
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hiya Tm_T
[11:04] <_StefanS_> mornings
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: did you get that debdiff?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> mmm
[11:08] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: er, shouldnt you make that a patch itself (without the changelog entry), rather than patch teh source directly?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> or are you sending that upstream?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: it will be sent upstream, but I will coordinate that with Tonio_ since he knows more about it
[11:08] <Hobbsee> ok
[11:09] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i'll assume that'll be in the next upstream version then
[11:09] <Hobbsee> (otherwise, we'll be hosing those changes when we upgrade)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: yep something like that
[11:10] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: what about that?
[11:11] <Tm_T> 0
[11:13] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Thanks
[11:13] <Hobbsee> no problem
[11:17] <_StefanS_> is it me, or is archive.ubuntu.com pretty slow?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> it's slow
[11:17] <_StefanS_> mkay..
[11:17] <Hobbsee> and i'm unsure if security is up at all
[11:17] <_StefanS_> I thought my adsl just went bonkers
[11:18] <Hobbsee> oh, it is there too
[11:18] <Hobbsee> just slow
[11:18] <_StefanS_> yep ok
[11:34] <_StefanS_> I can never remember where the buildprogress is inside launchpad.... could anyone help?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> buildprogress of what?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> lp.net/ubuntu/+builds
[11:34] <_StefanS_> ah
[11:34] <_StefanS_> thanks
[11:34] <kwwii> so what does one do when the version upgrade is done, and then adept says "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[11:34] <kwwii> seems to be cups
[11:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii: you dont file a duplicate bug.
[11:36] <kwwii> Hobbsee: ok, then what do I do now that my kmail no longer works with my POP accounts?
[11:36] <kwwii> upgrading was the biggest mistake yet - I really need for my machine to work
[11:37] <kwwii> kinda hard going without email
[11:37] <Hobbsee> dont use kmail?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> unsure
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: do you use thunderbird?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yes
[11:46] <mhb> morning
[11:46] <Jucato> hi mhb
[11:47] <mhb> Jucato: shouldn't you deop yourself if you don't need it?
[11:47] <Jucato> I'm not a real op in here. only opped by Hobbsee
[11:47] <Jucato> but if you say so
[11:48] <mhb> Jucato: some people can take it as a sign of power ... the "@" sign of power
[11:48] <mhb> :o)
[11:48] <Jucato> it's gone ok?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> mhb: they can, but we'd hope in a place like here, theyh'd get over themselves.
[11:53] <_StefanS_> uhm anyone know the state of sound support for ICH8/9 in gutsy?
[11:53] <_StefanS_> like what to do if its not working
[11:53] <mhb> Hobbsee: I still see no reason why someone should hang around here with an op.
[11:53] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[11:53] <_StefanS_> the "always online" monk.
[11:53] <mhb> Jucato: you sound quite tense for an ex-op :o)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> mhb: if they cant reop, and we have a known troll going around the network.
[11:53] <_StefanS_> shaolin all the way :D
[11:54] <Jucato> hehe hi _StefanS_
[11:55] <Jucato> it's ok Hobbsee. there's almost always someone around anyway. and Tm_T still has his
[11:57] <Tm_T> Jucato: ?
[11:58] <Jucato> Tm_T: you still have temporary op in here that Hobbsee bequeathed on us
[11:58] <Tm_T> apparently
[11:58] <Tm_T> but this hat looks good on me ;(
[11:59] <Jucato> keep it
[12:00] <mhb> I still do not get this ... if there are people we trust (and there are cases when an op is needed but it is not here), why can't we give them a permanent ability to op?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> because it reuqires one of us to remember, and when Riddell is around.
[12:01] <mhb> I can do the remembering if that is the hardest part :o)
[12:01] <Riddell> qui? moi?
[12:03] <mhb> right, Riddell always lies dormant here :o)
[12:04] <Riddell> kwwii: what went wrong with the upgrade?
[12:11] <kwwii> Riddell: after looking into it further it seems that the cups update was what prevented me from installing the several hundred updates after the version upgrade itself
[12:12] <kwwii> so by deselecting that, I got the other updates and now my kmail is doing POP again
[12:12] <kwwii> freaked me out for a bit this morning though
[12:12] <_StefanS_> kwwii: there's a not on the cupsys in #ubuntu+1
[12:12] <_StefanS_> eh
[12:12] <_StefanS_> not/note
[12:12] <kwwii> _StefanS_: luckily I rarely print, and never from linux
[12:13] <kwwii> but it prevented me from updating my kmail and for the last several hours I had no email
[12:13] <kwwii> which sucks when you work from home
[12:13] <_StefanS_> the hda_intel kernel module, which package is it in? or what is that command for looking it up.
[12:14] <_StefanS_> linux-ubuntu-modules-* ?
[12:15] <Riddell> Nightrose: amarok2 2.0.0~svn693037-0ubuntu2 was ACCEPTED   hooray
[12:16] <Riddell> kwwii: but what broke about the version upgrade?
[12:17] <stdin> Riddell: I couldn't get amarok to build in pbuilder when I tried, http://www.stdin.me.uk/build.log
[12:18] <Nightrose> Riddell: groovy ;-)
[12:18] <kwwii> Riddell: apparently it went well, but without updating directly after the system is pretty b0rked
[12:19] <kwwii> one thing I noticed is that my ksplash wallpaper did not get updated
[12:19] <kwwii> and kmail simply did not work with any POP accounts
[12:19] <Riddell> kwwii: it obviously didn't go well if you didn't end up with an up to date system
[12:20] <kwwii> power manager still seems to have problems
[12:20] <kwwii> power manager just died, actually
[12:20] <kwwii> Riddell: hrm, I did not see any notices after the version upgrade
[12:20] <kwwii> it rebooted and then I saw that there were several hundred updates to packages
[12:21] <kwwii> after deselecting cups I finally got to install those and things seem to work a bit better now
[12:22] <kwwii> how does one restart power manager?
[12:23] <kwwii> and how does one turn on compositing now?
[12:25] <Riddell> kwwii: so the dist upgrade tool (small window, not adept) spent a couple of hours downloading and installing the new gutsy packages?
[12:26] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, and then it rebooted the system
[12:26] <kwwii> it spent like 4 hours downloading, etc
[12:27] <Riddell> and it ended by telling you to reboot?
[12:27] <kwwii> yepp
[12:27] <kwwii> it rebooted my machine itself, iirc
[12:28] <Riddell> I don't think it should do that
[12:28] <Riddell> looks like your cups bug has been fixed this morning though https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/149106
[12:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149106 in cupsys "package cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2" [High,Fix released]
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well, it seems like I've been given the honors of creating the knm 0.2.1 official package, I will probably have it done this weekend
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: are we out of time then?
[12:31] <kwwii> Riddell: the only outstanding problem that I can see is that the ksplash bg is still the wallpaper from feisty
[12:31] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, it really needs done today
[12:31] <_StefanS_> argh
[12:33] <Riddell> kwwii: what version of ksmserver do you have installed?  (apt-cache policy ksmserver)
[12:33] <kwwii> Riddell: Installed: 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu27
[12:34] <Riddell> kwwii: ok, your bug should be fixed in ubuntu28
[12:34] <Riddell> kwwii: when that appears upgrade to it and log into kde again and let me know if the ksplash has been fixed
[12:35] <kwwii> Riddell: will do
[12:35] <kwwii> although adept-manager seems to spend for ever fetching updates
[12:36] <kwwii> in fact, it just showed an error getting http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release.gpg
[12:44] <kwwii> lol, running it again it finishes fetching but the cups pacakges do not seem to want to install
[12:46] <kwwii> feels like a server problem to me
[01:12] <kwwii> so is there some way to enable compiz in kde?
[01:17] <Riddell> kwwii: not really, only compiz --replace
[01:25] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, thanks
[01:28] <Riddell> anyone ever used kdelirc ?
[03:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: if the 0.2 version of knetworkmanager is named like this "knetworkmanager-0.2ubuntu1" , how would you name 0.2.1 ?
[03:36] <Riddell> knetworkmanager-0.2.1ubuntu1
[03:36] <Riddell> err, hmm
[03:36] <_StefanS_> ubuntu1 ?
[03:36] <_StefanS_> isnt that ubuntu0 then
[03:36] <Riddell> yes, there's something we do to the upstream version
[03:36] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[03:36] <Riddell> I can't remember what that is, but that's why we have ubuntu1 on the end
[03:36] <_StefanS_> ok fine, are these "rules" written somewhere?
[03:36] <_StefanS_> would be nice to be able to look it up from time to time
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya
[03:45] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:47] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:08] <Jucato> hi nixternal
[04:09] <nixternal> howdy...that was odd...my server just shut itself off, or the power flickered this morning, about 4 hours ago
[04:10] <Jucato> gRemlins I tell you!
[04:10] <nixternal> heh
[04:10] <Jucato> looks like I do need a visa even for a few days' stay in the US. a vistor's visa... one that would take a year to process :)
[04:10] <Jucato> so that severely dashes in hope at all :)
[04:15] <Jucato> anyone else have duplicate entries of KNotes (Office and Utilities) and Groupware Wizard (Internet and Office)?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> knotes yes, no instances of g w
[04:15] <nixternal> yup
[04:15] <nixternal> same with Kontact
[04:15] <nixternal> Internet and Office
[04:15] <Jucato> ok. thought I was going krazy again..
[04:16] <nixternal> again? when did you going krazy ever stop to begin with? :p
[04:16] <Jucato> when I'm asleep :P
[04:16] <nixternal> haha
[04:16] <Jucato> then I go grazy :)
[04:17] <Jucato> KDE & Kubuntu is getting bad for my health... I've had dreams this week that involved those two...
[04:17] <nixternal> omg, so did I
[04:17] <Jucato> lol!!!
[04:17] <nixternal> dude, I had a dream the other night that I lost all of my email
[04:17] <nixternal> I woke up and ran to my computer
[04:17] <Jucato> wait. hm.. can't recall if that time you were there :)
[04:17] <nixternal> skipped coffee and the bathroom
[04:18] <Jucato> hahaha :)
[04:18] <nixternal> haha
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  no, not really
[04:18] <Jucato> :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> just which section of the world i'm going to take over next
[04:18] <nixternal> muhehe
[04:19] <Jucato> kool!
[04:19] <Jucato> hey! just reserve a Kontinent for me will you?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i dont do much on LP, as such
[04:19] <Jucato> a Kountry would be ok though...
[04:19] <Hobbsee> someoen wanted new zealand.  you can have another if you wish
[04:19] <Jucato> ah new zealand... first country to be annihalated in that movie..
[04:20] <nixternal> I thought Adept was supposed to tell you to reboot when you did any updates to system files...mine has never done that
[04:20] <Jucato> it did when I upgraded the kernel. once
[04:20] <nixternal> then again, I have just started using it because if I use apt-get, it tends to freeze on me
[04:21] <Jucato> the notifier is supposed to change to a different icon
[04:21] <Hobbsee> apt-get freezing?
[04:24] <claydoh> Jucato: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wait/tempvisitors_wait.php
[04:26] <Jucato> claydoh: Visitors Visas: 23 Days translates to [indefinite]  in Philippine time :)
[04:43] <claydoh> Jucato: well that sucks I guess :(
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato :)
[04:49] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[04:49] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[04:49] <Jucato> fine I guess
[05:14] <nixternal> hey, has anyone gotten our beta package to have a proper kicker with kmenu?
[05:15] <nixternal> I haven't tried in a while and I have to give a KDE 4 talk tomorrow
[05:15] <Jucato> there was no kmenu in beta2 at all
[05:16] <Jucato> and the panel only has contents if you compiled and installed playground/base/plasma
[05:17] <nixternal> lovely
[05:18] <Jucato> let's hope that beta3 will come with a menu and a panel this time, even if the menu is the kickoff port
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Argh kickoff!!
[05:19] <Jucato> better than nothing
[05:22] <DaSkreech> OK going home
[05:22] <DaSkreech> see you soon
[05:24] <jpatrick> anyone know what I'm doing wrong? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/726846
[05:26] <nixternal> doesn't seem to be a make all
[05:26] <nixternal> time for school...back in a bit
[05:28] <Jucato> bye java voy
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Again not sure if it's me but Konqueror and KHTML parts don'[t update
[07:31] <sahin_h> I don't know who did the fix, but ksplash works well now in xinerana environment!
[07:31] <sahin_h> I mean in Gutsy!
[07:31] <sahin_h> So thanks!
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Welcome!
[07:33] <sahin_h> Is the automatic printer config will be available in kubuntu gutsy too?
[07:33] <sahin_h> Or maybe in the future version?
[07:35] <Riddell> not gutsy
[07:35] <Riddell> hopefully future versions
[07:36] <sahin_h> Ok. However configure the printer by hand is not a big deal. By the way it works for me.
[10:33] <DaSkreech> Froze again
[10:34] <DaSkreech>  same reason
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: what is tomorrow?
[10:36] <nixternal> a pretty big Install Fest at the University of Illinois...I have been slated to do another KDE 4 talk
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> ah... lucky you
[10:44] <nixternal> http://www.mikesplanet.net/2007/10/the-vista-commerical-you-will-want-to-see/
[10:44] <nixternal> errr
[10:44] <nixternal> OK, I pasted that in one channel and it showed up here as well
[10:44] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:45] <DaSkreech> Anyone having crashed from the toolbar tooltips?
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: traitor... you aren't using konversation
[10:46] <ScottK> nixternal: http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2007/10/marketing-koan
[10:55] <nixternal> I haven't used Konversation in over a year...I had to go back to irssi...I was tired of the /autowho floods, and the fact it never played nice with the irssi proxy or bip
[10:56] <nixternal> hahah, Zen and the art of of moving product...classic
[10:56] <ScottK> nixternal: I figured you'd like it.  Marketing and Vista both in one comic.


[12:51] <StevenK> Mithrandir: artigas and sejong are both showing as NOT OK again.
[06:06] <bddebian> Thx seb128
[06:06] <seb128> bddebian: you're welcome
[06:16] <bddebian> Who has NEW duty these days, anyone?
[06:17] <shawarma> bddebian: Mithrandir said he'd do it if he felt bored.
[06:18] <bddebian> shawarma: Ah, thx
[06:19] <Mithrandir> no, I'm not
[06:19] <shawarma> Mithrandir: charger?
[06:19] <bddebian> Bah, I get no love :-)
[06:20] <Simira> sorry guys, Mithrandir is busy for a little while now ;)
[06:28] <bddebian> Hmm, Mithrandir has honey-dos? :-)
[06:34] <welshbyte> do ubuntu kernels have blktrace support?
[06:35] <welshbyte> specifically the feisty generic kernel
[06:48] <sladen> welshbyte: I think so.
[06:48] <sladen> welshbyte: or maybe I'm thinking of the crash handler patch
[06:49] <welshbyte> sladen: i'm getting "BLKTRACESETUP: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[06:51] <welshbyte> (from: # blktrace -r /debug -d /dev/hda1 )
[06:52] <sladen> welshbyte: guess not then :)  As BenC et al
[06:53] <welshbyte> sladen: ok, thanks anyway :)
[07:31] <sivang> smurf: hi there
[07:31] <sivang> smurf: just got your email, thanks
[07:41] <lemsx1> is anybody working on Pidgin package for Feisty/Gutsy ? I was able to compile the package from unstable in Feisty by doing a few modifications (using gnutls instead of libnss)
[07:42] <ScottK> jdong was working on it.
[07:43] <lemsx1> ScottK: thanks. i wonder if jdong has a test package somewhere...
[07:43] <lemsx1> jdong: if you need help testing let me know
[07:49] <jdong> ScottK: lemsx1 at last check yesterday Pidgin was not in Gutsy. However, from my testing with the Unstable package, it is good to backport as soon as it shows up in Gutsy
[07:50] <lemsx1> jdong: keep in mind that Pidgin from unstable disables TLS/SSL and that brakes a lot of the accounts
[07:50] <jdong> so all that's needed is someone to deal with it in Gutsy.... :)
[07:50] <jdong> lemsx1: that's not a decision I can make
[07:50] <jdong> Backports is not authorized to change compliation options to deviate from development Ubuntu branches
[07:50] <ScottK> jdong: Speaking of backports...  How long from when you confirm it to something is in the backports repo?'
[07:50] <jdong> ScottK: ask the archive managers
[07:50] <ScottK> OK.
[07:51] <jdong> ScottK: depressingly... maybe a month unless I poke them regularly :)
[07:51] <ScottK> OK.  Can I go ahead an request a backport for something that depends on a backport we are waiting on?
[07:51] <jdong> I'm fine with it :)
[07:51] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[07:51] <jdong> brb.... gonna apply a Unicode console here.
[07:52] <robertj_> lemsx1: does Pidgin require openssl for TLS/SSL?
[07:53] <lemsx1> robertj_: you can use libnss or libgnutls
[07:54] <robertj_> lemsx1: so why is it disabled?
[07:54] <lemsx1> robertj_: the preferred method is gnutls, but, the debian package turns that off and uses libnss because it was trying to fix a bug. but the bug wasn't related to gnutls, it was something else, and the "fix" they applied stayed like that
[07:55] <lemsx1> robertj_: check the changelog and the bug it was closing, you will understand
[07:55] <robertj_> lemsx1: will do
[08:14] <Lutin> tepsipakki: around ?
[08:38] <\sh> geser, can I take your merge of libapache-mod-auth-mysql?
[08:38] <geser> sure
[08:38] <\sh> geser, cool, thx :)
[08:38] <geser> is it for apache 1 only?
[08:38] <geser> the module
[08:39] <\sh> apache2-threaded-dev, so no
[08:39] <\sh> for both
[08:39] <geser> Debian is going to drop apache 1.3 soon
[08:39] <geser> are we going to drop it too?
[08:40] <\sh> geser, you dropped it already, when I read the MoM output correctly
[08:40] <\sh> (apache1 module)
[08:42] <\sh> geser, you dropped it for feisty...
[08:42] <geser> then I forgot already :)
[08:43] <\sh> hehe...I'll go with the apache2 module only...
[08:43] <geser> I didn't forget: pitti disabled the apache 1 module
[08:44] <geser> I fixed the build for apache 2 module
[08:44] <\sh> ah
[08:44] <geser> as apache 1 is in universe and the module is in main
[08:50] <thom> apache1.3 must die
[08:52] <\sh> 32bit must die ,-)
[08:52] <\sh> oh not again...20:52 UTC+2 and I'm still sitting in the office doing some work :(
[09:17] <SoftIce> hi, quick question, ubuntu has stopped the release of the kernel-patch-vserver patch and doesn't have a vserver kernel by default
[09:17] <SoftIce> any idea why ubuntu decided not to release a vserver kernel? or import one from debian?
[09:54] <mdke> Riddell: "The Fridge editors are being slow"? We haven't had anything to the list, would you resend it?


[08:18] <mup> PR snapd#13138 closed: t/n/c/connected-after-reboot-revert: expect one more reboot on UC16 <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13138>
[08:23] <mup> PR snapd#13034 closed: asserts,seed: preseed authority delegation <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by atomcult> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13034>
[08:23] <mup> PR snapd#13120 closed: interface: make theme access functions generic so can be reused for other interfaces <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by robert-ancell> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13120>
[08:28] <mup> PR snapd#13149 opened: interfaces/microstack-support: read access to /proc/task/sched{,stat} <Created by hemanthnakkina> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13149>
[10:18] <mup> PR snapd#13150 opened: Fix MicroCeph support <Created by sabaini> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13150>
[14:15] <mup> PR snapd#13151 opened: store: use as much from snap-yaml as possible if available <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13151>
[22:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#4347 opened: fix: reprime for try <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4347>
[23:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#4346 closed: fix: reprime for try <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4346>


[00:01] <chrisccoulson> but yeah, there is also hardcoded paths in yelp too (and all the omf files have a hardcoded path as well)
[00:10] <rickspencer3_> robert_ancell, good morning
[00:10] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3_, hi rick
[00:35] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell: kenvandine: now that the session menu is in, should we not clean up the system menu?
[00:36] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, ?
[00:36] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:36] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell: never mind
[00:37] <rickspencer3> I'll follow up next week
[00:37] <rickspencer3> but we shouldn't have all the shutdown options in the session menu and the system menu
[00:37] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, is the session menu the fusa?
[00:39] <rickspencer3> yes, what was until so recently called the fus
[00:39] <rickspencer3> fusa
[00:47] <TheMuso> What calls xsplash?
[00:48] <TheMuso> And is there a way for the caller of xsplash to be told what images to use, now that xsplash supports command-line flags to tell it what images to use?
[01:11] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso - it's called from a GDM script
[01:14] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Yeah just found it.
[03:09] <superm1> bryce, i try to not use p.u.c since it's never in sync for a dev release. always refer to launchpad
[06:30] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Afaik libcanberra is not covered by the GNOME freeze exception.
[06:30] <TheMuso> So it will nee an FFE.
[06:30] <TheMuso> need
[06:30] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ah, ok.  Where is the freeze exception specified?
[06:31] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I put a link in the bug. I replied not yet knowing that you assigned it to me. :)
[06:31] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, I was about to do it and then saw you tend to make that release
[06:33] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: again as I said in the bug, I think we're better off pulling any important patches we need from trunk. 0.16 also introduces a new symbol/API function.
[06:33] <TheMuso> So unless a piece of gnome will use that, I think we're better off leaving it for now.
[06:33] <robert_ancell> ok
[06:34] <TheMuso> On the other hand, the list of changes is quite short, and its only just after FF, so we could still probably get it in rather easily.
[06:34] <TheMuso> But I don't see the real need atm.
[06:38] <dholbach> good morning
[06:39] <dholbach> robert_ancell: IIRC gimp is not part of core gnome - it might need an ubuntu-release ACK
[06:40] <dholbach> I'll just subscribe them to the bug
[06:40] <robert_ancell> dholbach, thanks.  Where is the list of what is excepted?
[06:40] <dholbach> good question - the core gnome desktop is excepted
[06:40] <dholbach> seb128 would know what is and what isn't
[06:40] <dholbach> gimp, gthumb - stuff like that isn't
[06:41] <dholbach> at least as well as I remember from "back then" :)
[06:41] <robert_ancell> are the libraries included or just applications?
[06:41] <dholbach> included
[07:00] <Amaranth> robert_ancell: afaik if it's in one of the gnome release sets (desktop, platform, bindings, development) and included in the default install it has a FFE
[07:00] <Amaranth> not sure for things not in the default install like epiphany
[07:01] <robert_ancell> Amaranth: ah, thanks
[07:01] <Amaranth> robert_ancell: do you have a way to reproduce bug 153676?
[07:02] <Amaranth> err, not that one
[07:02] <robert_ancell> ...
[07:03] <Amaranth> robert_ancell: bug 165161
[07:05] <robert_ancell> Amaranth: seb128 knows some good ones but you can do it by trying to install software from the software-store
[07:05] <Amaranth> oh, that is packaged?
[07:05] <robert_ancell> yes
[07:08] <Amaranth> robert_ancell: seems it doesn't happen all the time :/
[07:08] <robert_ancell> Amaranth: yes, I see the same thing :(
[07:08] <Amaranth> ok, will look at that a bit tomorrow
[07:08] <Amaranth> I've only done some little stuff in that area of compiz though
[07:10] <robert_ancell> dholbach, can you explain the shlibs setting?  I don't think I've been setting them correctly
[07:10] <pitti> Good morning
[07:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right, /omf/ too; ugh
[07:10] <dholbach> robert_ancell: if public interfaces get added you bump the shlibs
[07:11] <pitti> hey robert_ancell
[07:11] <robert_ancell> and what uses that information?
[07:11] <robert_ancell> hey pitti
[07:11] <dholbach> robert_ancell: so if something links against the library in a new build the new version information is picked up
[07:11] <pitti> dholbach, robert_ancell: just for your interest, symbol files are a bit more modern and precise
[07:11] <pitti> (I didn't follow the entire conversation, though)
[07:12] <dholbach> pitti: you're right
[07:12] <robert_ancell> so should we be migrating shlibs to symbol files?
[07:12] <pitti> if you want
[07:12] <pitti> old .shlibs files works as well still
[07:12] <pitti> but with symbols files the package build will remind you of new symbols
[07:12] <dholbach> it makes sense to coordinate that with debian
[07:12] <pitti> so it's less guesswork and you are less prone to forget about the shlibs files
[07:13] <pitti> robert_ancell: so I'm not saying "we should migrate" for the sake of it, just pointing out that they exist
[07:13] <pitti> matter of preference mainly
[07:13] <robert_ancell> pitti, I'm just looking for a one true way to do things so I don't have to know two ways :)
[07:14] <pitti> robert_ancell: FWIW, I usually prefer symbols files nowadays
[07:14] <pitti> since I also always forgot to bump the shlibs files
[07:14] <pitti> now lintian checks it for me :)
[07:14] <pitti> and dh_shlibdeps can calculate the precise dependencies according to which symbols a package actually uses
[07:15] <robert_ancell> sounds good to me
[07:28] <pitti> robert_ancell: can you please push your gnome-power-manager upload to bzr?
[07:30] <robert_ancell> pitti, there should be a branch on the report - I couldn't upload to the main branch as i'm not in the power team
[07:30] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, we really ought to change the owner
[07:31] <robert_ancell> pitti, shall i push it to ~ubuntu-desktop and update the control file?
[07:31] <pitti> robert_ancell: hang on, I try to change the existing one
[07:31] <robert_ancell> k
[07:32] <pitti> robert_ancell: changed; yes, please push now and change Vcs-Bzr:
[07:33] <pitti> robert_ancell: stop
[07:33] <pitti> robert_ancell: while I'm at it, let's also rename it to "ubuntu"
[07:33] <pitti> "trunk" is not really justified IMHO
[07:33] <robert_ancell> pitti, and can we change the project name from gnome-power to gnome-power-manager?
[07:33] <pitti> Ubuntu Desktop already has a branch for gnome-power called ubuntu
[07:33] <pitti> oh, we have?
[07:34] <pitti> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-power/ubuntu
[07:34] <pitti> ah, that's correct then
[07:34] <pitti> seems you already pushed it there
[07:35] <pitti> robert_ancell: I deleted the old "trunk" branch
[07:35] <dholbach> I did :)
[07:36] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, let's use lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-power/ubuntu from now on
[07:36] <pitti> robert_ancell: you can delete lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-power/ubuntu then (and probably lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-power/bug-419637, too)
[07:37]  * pitti -> breakfast
[07:38] <robert_ancell> hmm, lp is timing out
[08:15] <didrocks> morning everybody :)
[08:15] <pitti> hey didrocks
[08:16] <didrocks> hey pitti, have you finally succeeded in all MIR reviewing? :)
[08:16] <pitti> kenvandine: evo-couchdb seeded now, so we'll see it soon in component-mismatches
[08:16] <pitti> didrocks: not in all, but at least all assigned to me
[08:17] <pitti> still some 20 eucalyptus ones outstanding as well, though
[08:17] <didrocks> waow... it seems that eucalyptus brings a lot of components
[08:18] <soren> ..and pain and suffering :)
[08:18] <didrocks> I believe you :)
[08:40] <dholbach> didrocks: once ttx is done with that, java packaging will be easy because we have all java modules in the archive already ;-)
[08:59] <robert_ancell> pitti, what do we do about API changes like in bug 419631?
[09:05] <robert_ancell> bye all
[09:46] <mac_v> mvo: hi...aptd keeps crashing > Bug #418766 , but its marked as a dup of a private bug... could you make the main bug public? or is there some reason for the main bug being private ?
[09:51] <mvo> mac_v: checking
[09:52] <mac_v> thanx :)
[09:58] <mvo> hey glatzor!
[09:58] <glatzor> hey mvo!
[09:58] <mvo> mac_v: the aptdaemon bug is fixed in bzr
[09:59] <mac_v> great :)
[10:03] <mvo> glatzor: I don't want to be anyoing or anything, but do you think you could have a look over the add-repo patch sometimes today ?
[10:03] <glatzor> for sure
[10:03] <glatzor> one moment
[10:06] <glatzor> mvo, do you know why the review diff is not uptodate ? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mvo/aptdaemon/add-repo/+merge/10744
[10:07] <mvo> glatzor: no, I was wondering the same
[10:07] <mvo> glatzor: I can remove it and request a new merge?
[10:08] <glatzor> mvo, I can also do it the old fashion way :)
[10:08] <mvo> :)
[10:15] <seb128> hello there
[10:17] <davmor2> just a quickie on the fusa applet on today ubuntu iso the icon is the default icon when one can't be found I'm just checking that this is known
[10:21] <glatzor> mvo, does it make sense to have separate add/remove repository policies?
[10:21] <glatzor> mvo, I cannot think of a use case in which a user would be allowed to add repositories and not remove any
[10:21] <mvo> glatzor: me neither
[10:22] <didrocks> hey seb128, do you have some nice holidays? ;)
[10:22] <seb128> hello didrocks
[10:22] <glatzor> mvo, especially if we add remove/disable/enable/change resository in the future
[10:22] <seb128> yes excellent thanks
[10:22] <seb128> you?
[10:22] <glatzor> hello seb128
[10:22] <seb128> hey glatzor
[10:22] <didrocks> they were great too, thanks
[10:27]  * pitti hugs seb128
[10:27]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[10:27] <mvo> glatzor: yeah, that is something we will support, but I do not plan to work on this for karmic
[10:28] <huats> morning
[10:31] <seb128> lut huats
[10:32] <huats> hello seb128
[10:32] <huats> get out of here you are on holidays ...
[10:35] <seb128> huats, I've been away for over a week if you didn't notice
[10:35] <huats> I have
[10:36] <huats> but I mean you are still on holidays (and come back monday ?)
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128!
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> aren't you meant to be on holiday still? ;)
[10:42] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:42] <seb128> hum, seem people are not happy to see me around
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> of course we are - just a little unexpected;)
[10:43] <seb128> well I was away one week and was enjoying some catching up with desktop world
[10:43] <seb128> I don't see anything wrong with that ;-)
[10:43] <seb128> especially that the versions page has an outdated overflow
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i really need to do some updates this week
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> it seems robert_ancell did most of them overnight ;)
[10:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, 'most of them', there is still over a screen of outdated versions there looking at the lists
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll try and look at some of those today
[10:48] <didrocks> now that quickly 0.2 is released an FF in charge, I can do some of them :)
[10:52] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've got to the bottom of this gnome-settings-daemon crash which is causing so many duplicates
[10:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, good, what was it?
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> well, I think part of it is a Xorg bug, as it is returning the wrong error
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> but I need to speak to bryce about that
[10:54] <chrisccoulson> but basically what happens is - xsplash gets focus when the window manager loads, then it gets destroyed, and when you open another window which takes focus, libxklavier does XGetWindowProperty on the non-existant window
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> which should return BadWindow, but it doesn't because another client created a pixmap in the mean-time which gets the same ID as what the xsplash window hd
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> s/hd/had
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> and that messes things up :-/
[10:57] <seb128> ok, I see
[10:57] <pitti> rock
[10:58] <pitti> new rhythmbox without hal, and media-player-id working
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti
[10:58] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[11:00] <rodrigo_> is there a bug for 'removable media doesn't get automounted' already?
[11:00] <huats> seb128: I will do some updates too...
[11:00] <pitti> rodrigo_: works fine here..
[11:00] <seb128> huats, thanks
[11:01] <rodrigo_> pitti: not here, maybe I'0m missing some package, since I upgraded from jaunty?
[11:01] <rodrigo_> pitti: I have to manually mount all of them, not even CDs
[11:01] <pitti> rodrigo_: ubuntu-bug, select "storage", and walk through the steps
[11:01] <rodrigo_> pitti: and running gnome from jhbuild mounts them nicely
[11:01] <pitti> rodrigo_: it's an excellent test case for my new symptom hook :)
[11:02] <pitti> rodrigo_: and in fact I'd like to see how it works for you as reporter, and for me as bug receiver
[11:02] <rodrigo_> pitti: ah cool, running it
[11:02] <rodrigo_> we moved away from hal now, right?
[11:03] <pitti> rodrigo_: correct
[11:03] <rodrigo_> that's why I think I might missing some package, since in jhbuild it works
[11:03] <rodrigo_> anyway, running ubuntu-bug...
[11:04] <glatzor> mvo, I merged your branch with some small modifications
[11:04] <mvo> glatzor: wonderful, thanks a lot
[11:05] <rodrigo_> pitti: it tells me to specify a PID or package, what package should I tell it?
[11:05] <glatzor> mvo, It would be nice to be allowed to push to a branch that you review
[11:06] <pitti> rodrigo_: uh, what did you do?
[11:06] <pitti> rodrigo_: is this really current karmic?
[11:06] <rodrigo_> run ubuntu-bug
[11:06] <pitti> ubuntu-bug should bring up a dialog asking for a symptom
[11:06] <pitti> dpkg -s apport
[11:06] <rodrigo_> well, I'm upgrading right now some 30MB of packages, so latest might be there
[11:06] <mvo> glatzor: I can (from now on) push all my stuff under ~aptdaemon-developer
[11:06] <pitti> rodrigo_: it's been there for > 3 weeks, hm
[11:06] <rodrigo_> hmm
[11:06] <pitti> rodrigo_: do you have the apport-symptoms package installed?
[11:07] <rodrigo_> pitti: no, not installed
[11:07] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, can you please install it?
[11:07] <rodrigo_> yes, installing it now
[11:07] <pitti> odd, it's recommended by apport
[11:07] <rodrigo_> ah, now it works :)
[11:13] <rodrigo_> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/419824
[11:14] <davmor2> Guys shutdown and restart seem to be hanging on asking all remaining processes to terminate
[11:17] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I've already updated gnome-themes (refresh your version.html ;))
[11:17] <pitti> davmor2: regression in -7 kernel, known
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - thanks:)
[11:17] <davmor2> pitti: cool
[11:17] <Laney> I couldn't even boot with -7
[11:19] <didrocks> ajaxed LP version is soooo smooth :)
[11:20] <Laney> it is nice, I just hope they can get page loads to be faster now
[11:25] <pitti> seb128: can I ask you a favor? would you mind to review media-player-id in source NEW? it's a trivial package, but required by new RB
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> pitti - is HAL the only thing on the CD now which hasn't been ported to polkit-1?
[11:27] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hplip as well
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok.
[11:28] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, and network-manager
[11:28] <pitti> there's an upstream branch for it, but it didn't land in ubuntu yet
[11:28] <pitti> I'll nag asac about it after his vac
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> cool!
[11:28]  * pitti files a hplip bug
[11:29] <mac_v> pitti: do you have the bug# for the -7 kernel hangs bug?
[11:30] <mac_v> pls :)
[11:30] <pitti> mac_v: not at hand; I just heard it from several other people
[11:31] <mac_v> oh... ok... i had to force quit then it keeps asking for fsck on boot!
[11:31] <davmor2> pitti: is http://www.davmor2.co.uk/broken-icon.png known too I'm assuming it is
[11:32] <mac_v> davmor2: yes :) tedg says it fixed upstream
[11:33] <davmor2> mac_v: thanks I am guessing then that it will be in before alpha5 hopefully then :)
[11:34] <mac_v> davmor2: pls let me know if you find the kernel bug... i cant seem to find it :(
[11:34] <pitti> davmor2: yes, the fix is already in code review
[11:35] <mac_v> ah... found Bug #419297
[11:35] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hplip bug filed and linked to wiki page, FYI
[11:35] <chrisccoulson> pitti, thanks
[11:37] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, and nm just landed in upstream trunk
[11:38] <davmor2> pitti: cool :)
[11:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, and indicator-session (but that should be trivial to port)
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah. i'm surprised that was written with the old policykit though ;)
[11:57] <chrisccoulson> vuntz - has nobody come forward yet to fix gnome bug 585614?
[11:59] <vuntz> chrisccoulson: read the comments :-)
[12:00] <vuntz> chrisccoulson: the patch is committed, but consolekit still needs some work
[12:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's what i was asking really - whether anyone had offered to work on the new consolekit API (and updating gnome-session to use it)
[12:01] <chrisccoulson> it's probably too late for this cycle though isn't it?
[12:02] <seb128> pitti, I can have a look there
[12:02] <pitti> seb128: merci
[12:07] <seb128> pitti, the debian copyright mentions a tools dir
[12:07] <seb128> but there is no such directory there?
[12:07] <seb128> otherwise looks ok
[12:08] <seb128> I've to go for lunch, be back in abit
[12:08] <pitti> seb128: oh, indeed; tools/ is in git, but not in make dist
[12:08] <pitti> the .rules is pre-generated in make dist
[12:08] <pitti> seb128: I'll drop that stanza from debian/copyright in the next upload
[12:12] <pitti> seb128: rejected and reuploaded, thanks for spotting
[12:27] <vuntz> chrisccoulson: it's a bit late, but not too late
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - is there a polkit-gnome-authorization equivalent in the polkit-1 world?
[12:43] <james_w> not that I have seen
[12:44] <chrisccoulson> thanks james_w
[12:44] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if we should still be shipping the old polkit-gnome-authorization tool?
[12:44] <chrisccoulson> seeing that it manages hardly any policies anymore
[12:44] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, we shouldn't really
[12:44] <james_w> what is left to port in the default install
[12:45] <james_w> oh, I bet Martin has a wiki page to tell us
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> yes, one second
[12:45] <pitti> james_w: for PK-1?
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> ^^^james_w
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> that's not just for the default install though
[12:45] <james_w> told you :-0
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> AFAIK, it's just HAL, hplip and NM
[12:45] <pitti> james_w: basically, hplip;
[12:46] <pitti> james_w: network-manager is done in upstream trunk, hal is a wontfix
[12:46] <james_w> packagekit
[12:46] <pitti> and indicator-session is being taken care of
[12:46] <pitti> james_w: right, but that's not in the default install
[12:46] <pitti> and kubuntu doesn't have a PK-1 GUI yet
[12:46] <seb128> pitti, newed now
[12:46] <james_w> ah
[12:46] <pitti> seb128: merci
[12:46] <seb128> de rien
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> libgnomekbd and gedit-plugins updated now:)
[12:46] <james_w> but they might have a mixed old/new polkit on the CD?
[12:46] <pitti> james_w: I don't think that Kubuntu has any PK-1 stuff right now
[12:47] <james_w> they certainly don't use polkit-gnome-authorization though :-)
[12:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you can probably upload the second?
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - done
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> :)
[12:47] <pitti> the only thing that would use it is jockey-kde, and I worked around that by calling the GUI as root
[12:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, cool ;-)
[12:47] <james_w> nice
[12:47] <james_w> I'll say it again, pitti: you rock
[12:48] <pitti> james_w: and so do you!
[12:48] <chrisccoulson> so, should we just disable polkit-gnome-authorization now then, or maybe split it in to a separate package?
[12:48] <chrisccoulson> (it's part of policykit-gnome now)
[12:48] <pitti> james_w: it's a pity that we have to leave both the hal and PK migration 90% done in karmic, but at least that gives us a good start for LL
[12:48] <james_w> yeah
[12:49] <james_w> I'll take a look at hplip if I have a free weekend between now and release
[12:49] <james_w> I doubt it though :-)
[12:50] <james_w> oh, did you see a mail on advice for shipping a default distro policy from David a couple of weeks ago?
[12:50] <pitti> james_w: I didn't, no?
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> james_w - do you ever have weekends? i always seem to see you working on here at the weekends ;)
[12:51] <james_w> "Fwd: Roles and Policy" on polkit-devel
[12:51] <james_w> chrisccoulson: don't remind me :-)
[12:52] <james_w> seems like it maps to our existing "admin" group quite well
[12:53] <kenvandine> pitti, can you please sponsor desktopcouch, bug 416591
[12:53] <pitti> kenvandine: will do afterl unch
[12:53] <kenvandine> thx
[12:54] <pitti> james_w: reading now, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/polkit-devel/attachments/20090813/825f3bbd/attachment-0001.mht
[12:54] <james_w> that's the badger
[12:54] <james_w> hmm, I don't have pklocalauthority installed
[12:55] <pitti> james_w: so far we just have /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-ubuntu-admin.conf
[12:55] <pitti> but it should be enough AFAICS
[12:55] <james_w> looks like it could be
[12:56] <james_w> ah, it seems pklocalauthority might just be a man page at this point
[12:58] <james_w> http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/polkit/polkit.spec?r1=1.8&r2=1.9
[12:58] <james_w> it seems we may want something like [Desktop Administrator Permissions]
[12:59] <james_w> but the current situation will work, that just allows us to tweak defaults centrally
[13:02] <james_w> screen-resolution-extra and checkbox seem to be missing from the list
[13:03] <pitti> seb128: media-player-id is binary NEW now (please to main again, it's needed by RB; I'll maintain it)
[13:04] <seb128> pitti, ok looking
[13:07] <seb128> pitti, newed
[13:07]  * pitti hugs seb128
[13:07]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[14:17] <kenvandine> morning rickspencer3
[14:17] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[14:18] <rickspencer3> hiya kenvandine
[14:18] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[14:19] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[14:19] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[14:19] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I was stunned to see so much bug mail for quickly ... then realized it was "fix released"
[14:19] <rickspencer3> :)
[14:19] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:20] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ahah ;)
[14:21] <didrocks> rickspencer3: we'll certainly release a 0.21 fix release I guess in karmic (even a 0.22 perhaps)
[14:21] <rickspencer3> didrocks, sure .. I hope so
[14:36] <Amaranth> can we get the patch from gnome bug 520779 applied in ubuntu at least? doesn't seem to be any activity on it upstream
[14:37] <Amaranth> the first patch (mine) would be the better one to use
[14:38] <Amaranth> oh, seb128 is back?
[14:38] <Amaranth> I'll ask him :)
[15:07] <kenvandine> pitti, there will be another refresh of indicat* today... just need to give tedg a good push :)
[15:12] <kenvandine> pitti, can the indicator-session MIR get approved before the PK changes?
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> pitti - what shall we do about the transmission update now we are post FF? the new upstream version is only bug-fixes, but...
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> ...debian have enabled the QT front-end too (which is already in the current source tarball). If we ,erge with Debian, do we want the QT frontend, or shall we just leave that out for now?
[15:19] <pitti> kenvandine: i-s> if we get a commitment that it gets fixed soon, I think so; what is it blocking on right now (the MIR)?
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> /,erge/merge
[15:19] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we can always leave it in universe if desired
[15:19] <pitti> so if it's bug-fix only for the gtk package, it's fine
[15:19] <kenvandine> yeah... i will get tedg to commit to fixing it by beta :)
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ok, i'll take a look at that unless someone else has already done work on it
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> don't we need a FFe for the QT part though?
[15:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we probably do, but herewith you have it
[15:21] <pitti> it's just a new universe package, right? and less effort than to disable it
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ok, i'll take a look at that. a FFe for transmission should be easy to justify - charles is very responsive and active around here
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> so if there are any bugs, i'm sure he'll fix them quickly;)
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - would you mind unsubscribing u-m-s from bug 406103 for now?
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> there's an additional bug open for the 1.74 update too
[15:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: shouldn't it just be closed entirely then?
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's probably easier ;)
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> i'll do that
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[15:27] <pitti> chrisccoulson: anyway, unsub'ed
[15:27] <pitti> thanks
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> thank you too:)
[15:37] <pitti> kenvandine: so, should we officially bury desktop-karmic-gnomescan for karmic? or do you really want to keep it?
[15:39] <kenvandine> pitti, bury it :)
[15:48] <pitti> mvo: is it okay if I assign bug 391555 to you? it has a plethora of dupes
[15:48] <mvo> pitti: I have a look
[15:49] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, thanks for looking into that
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - no problem
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> not sure when i'll finish it yet though;)
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> i'll use the packaging work you've already done, and the work on the FFe
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> xsplash really doesn't cope well with resolution changes :-/
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> is xsplash running as root still, or as the user?
[15:59] <pitti> should run as gdm now
[16:00] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks.
[16:01] <rodrigo_> how do I build a package from a bzr branch with just the debian/ dir?
[16:01] <pitti> rodrigo_: does it have a .bzr-builddeb/ dir?
[16:01] <pitti> (usually)
[16:01] <rodrigo_> yes
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> yay, gconf is done:)
[16:01] <pitti> bzr bd -S -> source package, bzr bd -- -b -> binaries
[16:02] <rodrigo_> ah, cool
[16:02] <pitti> rodrigo_: or, if you want to edit it, bzr bd-do is useful, too; throws you into a 'normal' tree that you can edit, and exit 0 will copy back the debian/ changes
[16:03] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:05] <pitti> rodrigo_: /usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/README.gz has the details
[16:05] <rodrigo_> great
[16:06] <rodrigo_> that's easier than apt-get-source + ....
[16:10] <rugby471> can anyone apply debdiff at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+bug/204567
[16:10] <rugby471> it has been waiting there for a long time and goes back to the behaviour of upstream
[16:13] <pitti> davidbarth: I updated the DX bits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus, but not completely; could you please update the remaining bits?
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> dapper is not supported on the desktop anymore is it?
[16:16] <pitti> correct
[16:16] <mpt> mvo, just sent you a draft announcement, could you review it before I send it out to ubuntu-desktop@?
[16:16]  * mpt wonders if it should go to ubuntu-devel@ as well, or instead
[16:17] <pitti> rickspencer3: I just spend a lot of time to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus TTBOMK; since nobody from desktop team can be in the release meeting tomorrow, would you mind giving this an once-over, so that at least the two of us are on the same state?
[16:17] <mvo> mpt: I have a look now
[16:17] <mpt> ta
[16:18] <rickspencer3> pitti, np
[16:18]  * rickspencer3 reads
[16:20] <didrocks> pitti: if you want to add the "default application priorities", you can mark it as POSTPONED as we are still in discussion with xdg
[16:23] <pitti> didrocks: oh, there are many specs which aren't on that page; this is just for major structural changes which are big enough to be on the release team radar
[16:23] <pitti> I tought that one was too far down the stack for that
[16:23] <pitti> didrocks: but either way, I'll update the blueprint accordingly, thanks
[16:23] <didrocks> pitti: oh ok. I thought you were putting a status on every UDS discussed spec
[16:30] <mpt> mvo, does it look ok?
[16:32] <mvo> mpt: looks great
[16:32] <mpt> mvo, ubuntu-desktop@ or ubuntu-devel@ or both?
[16:32] <mvo> mpt: feel free to revert the order of:
[16:32] <mvo> Michael Vogt, lead engineer
[16:32] <mvo> Matthew Paul Thomas, lead designer
[16:32] <mvo> it was you writing the mail afterall :)
[16:32] <mpt> ok :-)
[16:32] <mvo> probably both
[16:32] <pitti> kenvandine: can you please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus, the "DX integration" bits and update it to the current word of the day (or tell me what to change)?
[16:33] <kenvandine> sure
[16:34] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks
[16:34] <mvo> mpt: adding of third party repositories (just the whitelisted stuff as g-a-i) is almost ready btw
[16:34] <mpt> neat
[16:35] <mvo> mpt: do you have a opinion about removals? i.e. what if removing a package causes the removal of e.g. ubuntu-desktop - should we warn? or error? or just do ?
[16:35] <mpt> mvo, what other common examples of that are there? ubuntu-desktop is kind of a speshul case
[16:35] <kenvandine> pitti, can xsplash me marked as done? it is feature complete but waiting on more artwork?
[16:35] <pitti> kenvandine: ah, nice "DONE" flood
[16:35] <pitti> kenvandine: sure, please just update it as you see fit, you know this stuff much better than me
[16:36] <mat_t> pitti: hey
[16:36] <pitti> kenvandine: (done flood for work items)
[16:36] <pitti> kenvandine: let's see how tomorrow's CDs explode :)
[16:36] <pitti> hey mat_t
[16:36] <rickspencer3> pitti, any chance you could refresh the burndown?
[16:36]  * rickspencer3 is too impatient to wait an hour
[16:36]  * pitti cranks
[16:36] <mvo> mpt: I need to run a analyzer to be certain, but I assume most of the current apps we offer to not result in removal other stuff, its mostly top-level applications anyway
[16:37] <mvo> ubuntu-desktop is a exception of course
[16:37] <mat_t> pitti: when is the best time for us to look into usplash theming?
[16:37] <pitti> rickspencer3: done
[16:37] <pitti> AWESOME!
[16:37] <pitti> just about to hit the trend line
[16:37] <rickspencer3> !!!
[16:38] <mat_t> good job deskrop team! :)
[16:38] <mat_t> desktop even!
[16:38] <mat_t> ;)
[16:38] <rickspencer3> if we removed asac's "browsers" blueprint, we would be below, I think
[16:38] <pitti> mat_t: rather ealier than later; UI freeze is in two weeks
[16:38] <pitti> rickspencer3: let's keep that boost for next week; let's not spend all our trumps on one day :-P
[16:38] <rickspencer3> desktop team rooolz!
[16:38] <rickspencer3> pitti, lol
[16:38] <mvo> mpt: btw, I subscribed you to some bugs that are about design decisions in the spec. is that something I should do? or should I rather close them and point people to the spec?
[16:38] <mat_t> pitti: cool, I'm ready anytime - just let me know when is best for you
[16:38] <mpt> mvo, so maybe we could use a special-case warning for ubuntu-desktop, and just send people to Synaptic for anything else (after all, as far as the Store 1.0 is concerned, there's no such thing as a non-application package)
[16:39]  * rickspencer3 retracts statement
[16:39] <mpt> mvo, I just subscribed to Bugs for the package, so you won't need to do that any more
[16:39] <pitti> mat_t: well, this week is so crazy, just ask
[16:39] <mvo> mpt: yeah, that behaviour is fine with me
[16:39] <mvo> mpt: a warning is maybe enough? or just refusing it outright?
[16:39] <mat_t> pitti: how about I'll ping you some time tomorrow
[16:40] <pitti> mat_t: I won't be here tomorrow (I'll be at a wedding), I swapped with Sunday
[16:40] <pitti> mat_t: what are you currently planning to do? I understand this might depend a lot on the fate and state of xplash in karmic, too?
[16:40] <mat_t> pitti: well, yes and no
[16:42] <mat_t> pitti: basically we're removing the progress bar and replacing the artwork with the simple logo in the middle. We also talked in Dublin about fading in and out using color-palette swap
[16:42] <Amaranth> hmm, guess seb128 isn't coming back after all
[16:42] <mvo> Amaranth: officially he is one leave
[16:42] <Amaranth> ah, still?
[16:43] <Amaranth> he was here earlier and said he would be back in a bit
[16:43] <mpt> mvo, announcement sent
[16:43] <Amaranth> ok, I'll turn this patch into a branch and see if someone will upload it for me :)
[16:43] <mvo> thanks mpt
[16:43] <mvo> Amaranth: what package?
[16:43] <Amaranth> gnome-panel
[16:43] <mpt> mvo, well, let's see if we can come up with coherent warning text
[16:43] <pitti> mat_t: right, I still have that half-done branch for fading (not using palette, though, since it's using 16 bit colors, not 8)
[16:44] <mvo> mpt: maybe something like "this application is considered part of your core system, do you really want to remove it"?
[16:44] <mpt> mvo, first shot: "If you uninstall <application name>, upgrading later to a future version of Ubuntu may not work properly. Are you sure you want to continue?"
[16:44] <mvo> mpt: I guess that is a bit technical still
[16:44] <Amaranth> I sent a patch upstream over a year ago to make scrolling the mouse wheel on the workspace switcher work in compiz, want to at least get it in Ubuntu :)
[16:44] <rickspencer3> Amaranth, yeah!
[16:45] <rickspencer3> do you have a bug that I can subscribe someone too?
[16:45] <mpt> hm, "future"->"later", because you might be using a non-current version
[16:45] <mvo> Amaranth: sure, if its in a branch I have a look
[16:45] <tgpraveen1> dx-karmic-os-switcher: not started <--- with the switch to GRUB2 and new boot splash what will be the method to switch to other OSs
[16:45] <Amaranth> I think vuntz hasn't done anything with it because he wants to rewrite libwnck to do WnckWorkspace with WnckVirtualDesktop and WnckViewport backends so code using it doesn't have to care
[16:45] <Amaranth> rickspencer3: just upstream
[16:46] <mpt> tgpraveen1, mat_t or dbarth are the people to answer that question
[16:46] <tgpraveen1> and if i want to make say windows the default os to boot in is there a method without using CLI?
[16:46] <Amaranth> mvo: getting it into a branch now, will let you know in a bit :)
[16:46] <tgpraveen1> mat_t:  dx-karmic-os-switcher: not started <--- with the switch to GRUB2 and new boot splash what will be the method to switch to other OSs
[16:46] <mvo> mpt: right, I think part of the problem is the upgrades, part is that it might be stuff the user wants, but is not aware of. stuff like "the panel" - if he has no idea what that is, he may accidentially want to remove it
[16:47] <mvo> mpt: or do you think its too hard to capture both problems in a single sentence?
[16:47] <mvo> thanks Amaranth
[16:47] <mpt> mvo, well that doesn't matter so much for 1.0, because the system stuff is mostly not stuff with .desktop files
[16:48] <mpt> though that does remind me we need to special-case people uninstalling the Software Store itself :-)
[16:48] <mpt> but for version 2+, it will be an issue
[16:48] <mvo> mpt: :)
[16:48] <rugby471> it has been waiting there for a long time and goes back to the behaviour of upstream
[16:48] <rugby471> oops
[16:48] <mpt> mvo, second shot: "<application name> is a core application in Ubuntu. Uninstalling it may cause future upgrades to be incomplete. Are you sure you want to continue?" want to continue?"
[16:49] <rugby471> can anyone apply debdiff at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+bug/204567 it solves a papercut and is inline with upstream
[16:49] <mpt> mvo, minus those last three words of course
[16:49] <mvo> mpt: I like that
[16:49] <mvo> mpt: I will add it
[16:49] <mpt> mvo, ok, and I'll spec it
[16:50] <pitti> kenvandine: is anything major wrt. indicator still planned for alpha-5? (currently the list of intrusive changes is empty)
[16:50] <mvo> thanks mpt
[16:50] <kenvandine> nothing major
[16:50] <kenvandine> pitti, there is a round of indicator refreshes coming now
[16:50] <kenvandine> which includes adding launchers to the indicators
[16:50] <mat_t> tgpraveen1: same as now - hold ESC to access grub menu
[16:50] <pitti> kenvandine: ok, thanks
[16:50] <Amaranth> dang, have to do an upgrade to satisfy dependencies, this may take a bit
[16:51] <pitti> kenvandine: could you stand in for me on tomorrow's release team meeting at 1500 UTC? I have a swap day with Sunday, need to go to a wedding
[16:51] <pitti> kenvandine: the report should be pretty complete (it's the wiki page), but there might be some questions coming up, and I think you have a pretty good overview what's going on
[16:52] <tgpraveen1> mat_t: isnt this a huge regression for people who use ubuntu as a secondary OS? as soon as one installs ubuntu it takes over the system. right now atleast we get the grub menu with a selection of installed OS
[16:52] <pitti> kenvandine: so it's mainly about collecting questions, answer the ones you know, and distribute the ones you don't know
[16:52] <rugby471> mvo : what is the best thing I could do to help with software-store, I have run out of bugs to file :-)
[16:52] <tgpraveen1> but with this new system new users might even get confused that ubuntu has taken over and windwos is lost
[16:52] <kenvandine> pitti, yeah
[16:53] <pitti> kenvandine: ok, thanks; I'll send you the necessary stuff
[16:53] <kenvandine> thx pitti!
[16:53] <mpt> mvo, "Remove Anyway" for the commit button
[16:53] <pitti> kenvandine: erm, for pushing work to you? :_)
[16:53] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks for covering
[16:53] <mvo> rugby471: depends on what you like to do :) there is plenty of stuff in the spec that is not done yet. if you like python, the animation button or the different open modes might be nice
[16:54]  * Amaranth wonders what the point of a scrollbar is in synaptic if you can't scroll up
[16:54] <kenvandine> pitti, can you sponsor bug 419997 ?
[16:54] <mvo> Amaranth: hm?
[16:54] <Amaranth> mvo: when it's downloading packages
[16:54] <Amaranth> mvo: every time the percentage changes it forces it back to the bottom
[16:54] <mvo> Amaranth: heh :) yeah, that is a bit sub-optimal :(
[16:54] <rugby471> can anyone sponsor : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+bug/204567
[16:55] <Amaranth> mvo: it should just say what it is doing with some labels and progress bars and when it finishes a download show the next one
[16:55] <rugby471> mvo: cool, I shall have a look
[16:55] <didrocks> mpt: the “Where Is It?” button is really a great idea. Not sure it's realistic with current technology but great in theory (you are speaking about the real top panel application menu, right?) :)
[16:55] <mpt> didrocks, yes
[16:55] <mat_t> tgpraveen1: yes, it's not perfect atm, should be a lot better when we have "proper" OS switcher in Karmic +1
[16:55] <mpt> didrocks, I was hoping you might see that section ;-)
[16:55] <mvo> rugby471: the animation icon in the pending view is also a nice target, that one should be fun (but I don't know if we have icons for the animation yet)
[16:56] <didrocks> mpt: let me think a couple of days about it and make some research, we'll see if an idea can come :)
[16:56] <mpt> cool
[16:57] <mac_v> mpt: latest update has a better option > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/419295/comments/4
[16:58] <mpt> didrocks, meanwhile, a much simpler animation I think would help would be for the home view to slide off the left and the category view to slide on from the right, whenever you navigate to a category, and the reverse when you navigate back to the top level
[16:58] <mpt> didrocks, and the same for navigating into an individual application view
[17:00] <didrocks> mpt: that's not seem complicated. I have to check what and how widgets are currently implemented (if any) and make some tests.
[17:00] <mpt> neat
[17:00] <mpt> I'll add a mini-spec for each of those to the wiki page shortly
[17:00]  * didrocks schedules that for next week (too busy this week-end) :)
[17:01] <didrocks> mpt: yes, please :)
[17:01] <mpt> thanks :-)
[17:02] <mac_v> mpt: mvo: progress icon? is that OK? > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Icons
[17:04] <mpt> mac_v, it's pretty good
[17:04]  * Amaranth grumbles about debconf junk popping up
[17:04] <Amaranth> and then freezing :/
[17:04] <mac_v> mpt: ok... i'll write up a bug report and add the full animation
[17:04] <Amaranth> oh, it was updating initramfs
[17:05] <rugby471> mac_v: can you put link to bug report here in channel?
[17:06] <mpt> mac_v, thanks heaps for helping out with that. Unfortunately there's some boring legal stuff to go through if you haven't signed the Contributor Agreement before. <http://canonical.com/contributors>
[17:06] <mpt> mvo, hmmm, if you're going to allow removal of ubuntu-desktop, how much extra effort to allow removal of any other metapackage?
[17:06] <mac_v> rugby471: i havent written it yet , first i need to complete the animation once done i'll write it...
[17:06] <rugby471> ah
[17:06] <rugby471> ok then
[17:06] <mvo> mpt: none, I mean, the code that checks that can check for any package
[17:06] <mac_v> mpt: dont worry i wont sue Canonical ;) , but sure i'll sign it
[17:07] <mvo> mpt: should it be a dialog or do you want to detect it in advance (i.e. label the button before the user clicked on it)
[17:07] <mpt> mvo, except having a separate warning message
[17:07] <mvo> mpt: ok
[17:07] <mpt> mvo, ooh, nice idea, like a (!) emblem of something
[17:07]  * Amaranth thinks gnome-panel's build system is a little broken
[17:07] <mpt> of->of
[17:07] <mpt> garrrrr
[17:07] <Amaranth>   CC
[17:07] <mpt> of->or
[17:08] <Amaranth> I just get a bunch of lines of that instead of the file name too
[17:08] <Amaranth> eh, it built
[17:10] <mpt> mvo, is it fair to say that the purpose of metapackages is always to let the metapackage maintainer direct the installation of new packages later without the user having to choose them specifically?
[17:10] <mpt> Or is there some other reason for them?
[17:10] <mvo> mpt: that is one (big) reason, I personally think of them also as what defines your desktop. the apps selected there are what makes the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[17:13] <mpt> mvo, so for the non-ubuntu-desktop case I'm thinking something like: "If you uninstall <application name> you will no longer receive new software that is part of the ”<metapackage name>” set. Are you sure you want to continue?"
[17:13] <mpt> That's a bit ambiguous though, specifically what "new" means
[17:13] <mpt> it means new packages, not new versions of already-installed packages
[17:14] <mac_v> mpt: just to clarify for progress icon , what size icon are you using in the left pane for the rest?
[17:14] <mpt> mac_v, I don't know (ask mvo), but you have it as a vector, right?
[17:15] <mac_v> mpt: yes svg ,vector imag
[17:15] <mac_v> image*
[17:15] <mac_v> mvo: just to clarify for progress icon , what size icon are you using in the left pane for the rest?
[17:15] <mvo> mac_v: currently its 32px
[17:16] <mac_v> ah... ok thanx :)
[17:16] <mpt> ... "If you uninstall <application name>, future upgrades will not include new items in the “<metapackage name>” set. Are you sure you want to continue?"
[17:16] <mpt> that's a bit better
[17:17] <mvo> mpt: ok, I run a tool over the desktop data tomorrow (need to write it first ;) that checks about the possible removals to see how broad the scope of the problem is
[17:20] <mpt> mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore?action=diff&rev2=116&rev1=115
[17:23] <mac_v> rugby471: by when do you want the bug report for the icon?
[17:23] <rugby471> just when you file it :-)
[17:23] <rugby471> I am working on getting the icon on there
[17:23] <rugby471> in the mean time I can always use an alternate one, no pressure for time
[17:24] <rugby471> mvo: if I have a quick patch, can I submit it here? (using pastebin)
[17:24] <mac_v> rugby471: icon for the progress? then why
[17:24] <mac_v> dont you write the bug report i'll atach it later
[17:24] <mac_v> attach*
[17:24] <rugby471> sure
[17:25] <mvo> rugby471: sure
[17:25] <rugby471> cool
[17:25] <mac_v> rugby471: notify me once you write it ;)
[17:26] <rugby471> sure
[17:27] <rugby471> mac_v: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/420028
[17:28] <mac_v> rugby471: thanx , but what about the icon? WIP?
[17:28] <rugby471> sorry?
[17:29] <mac_v> rugby471: i thought you said you were making an icon? or did i understand wrong?
[17:29] <rugby471> I thought you were making the icon, I am simple writing the code to put it in the sidebar
[17:29] <rugby471> hehe :-)
[17:30] <mac_v> rugby471: yes , i'm making the icon ;)
[17:30] <rugby471> kl
[17:30] <mac_v> rugby471: ok.. great , now , i need to know a bit about the code? have you written it yet? can i have a look , so that get the animation correct without jerks
[17:31] <mac_v> so that i*
[17:31] <rugby471> not yet, nearly there hopefully
[17:31] <Amaranth> wow
[17:32] <Amaranth> 1 year old pushes one or two buttons on my computer and it went crazy for 5 minutes
[17:32] <Amaranth> compiz crashing, metacity crashing, apps going fullscreen and back over and over
[17:32] <rugby471> mac_v: damn it, I thought gtk would just handle an animation, turns out it doesn't
[17:32] <rugby471> hehe
[17:33] <mac_v> rugby471: check out how nautilus handles progress-working
[17:33] <rugby471> oh good I think I found something here - http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=edit&file=faq23.037.htp
[17:33] <rugby471> mac_v: I would but C is very foreign to me :-)
[17:34] <mac_v> ;)
[17:34] <Amaranth> mvo: making sure it still builds after I committed then I'll push the branch
[17:35] <mvo> Amaranth: :)
[17:35] <mac_v> rugby471: firefox seems to be doing it with a .gif , might wanna confirm with mvo , how he wants it done
[17:35] <mvo> Amaranth: I need to leave for dinner for some minutes anyway
[17:35] <mvo> mac_v: I don't mind as long as it spins :)
[17:35] <Amaranth> hrm, was afraid of that
[17:35] <Amaranth> dang kids pushing buttons on my computer
[17:36] <Amaranth> it killed my build and made my computer crazy
[17:36] <rugby471> gif seems the way to go give me a min and I could have it
[17:36] <mvo> Amaranth: no worries, I will be back
[17:36] <rugby471> mvo : any idea why software-store doesn't exit cleanly?
[17:36] <mvo> rugby471: what is it doing for you?
[17:36] <Amaranth> it keeps running
[17:36] <mvo> just with a non-zero exit code?
[17:37] <rugby471> dunno, it just keeps running in the terminal and I have to do Ctrl-C to exit
[17:37] <mvo> uh, missing delete event I guess
[17:37]  * mvo looks
[17:37] <rugby471> exit > stop the process
[17:37] <rugby471> i thought so
[17:38] <kenvandine> pitti, can you also sponsor bug 420034
[17:38] <rugby471> mac_v & mvo: just off to have dinner
[17:39] <mvo> rugby471: fixed in bzr
[17:39] <pitti> Riddell: if you have a minute, could you please update the kubuntu bits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus? I can't be on the release meeting tomorrow
[17:41] <Amaranth> mvo: when you get back: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amaranth/gnome-panel/scroll_with_viewports
[17:42]  * Amaranth tries to think of remaining differences in behavior when compiz is running
[17:43] <Amaranth> show desktop works differently, can't drag windows between viewports from workspace switcher
[17:43] <Amaranth> I think that's about it other than intentional differences
[17:45] <Riddell> pitti: done.  I can't be at the release meeting either
[17:45] <pitti> Riddell: cheers
[17:45] <mvo> Amaranth: from a first glance the patch looks ok, I have a closer look later (not sure if seb will jump on me or not if I just commit it ;) - so maybe I wait until tomorrow
[17:46]  * mvo -> dinner
[17:46] <Amaranth> mvo: alright
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti - i just saw your mail about moving documentation
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> have you done any work on this yet, other than stripping the translations out?
[17:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, I have a script to pull them from launchpad and download them
[17:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: and the current karmic pkgbinarymangler creates the tarballs (but doesn't strip them yet)
[17:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: but I didn't touch rarian et all yet, I wanted to check for alternative solutions first
[17:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so far, lool's idea of replacing them with symlinks clearly beats adding 50 Replaces:
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i suppose that's slightly better
[17:55] <mac_v> mpt: mvo: rugby471: the problem with gif is , you have color restrictions , 256  , might not look as good on output
[17:56] <mpt> Isn't there something in GTK/GDK/whatever that blits vector images as an animation? oy
[17:56] <kenvandine> pitti, and notify-osd is ready to be sponsored, bug 420046
[17:56] <mac_v> andreasn: could you clarify^ what mpt said
[17:57] <andreasn> there is some code in nautilus that animate stuff from stills inside one image
[17:58] <mac_v> mpt: the question came up because rugby471 wanted to do it the old firefox way and use gif instead of png or svg
[17:58] <andreasn> but I don't know if there is something inside GTK+ itself
[17:58] <dobey> the code to do animations with multi-frame PNG/SVG is pretty trivial with GtkImage/GdkPixbuf
[17:58] <rugby471> dobey: I am not that good at the olf gtkImage suff, could you have a look?
[17:59] <dobey> look at what?
[17:59] <rugby471> software-store
[17:59] <rugby471> we need a progress  icon in a treeview (an animation)
[18:00] <dobey> heh, i just removed some code from ubuntuone-client-applet to do the animated icon, like 2 weeks ago
[18:00] <rugby471> could you put it in a pastebin?
[18:01] <dobey> no, it was a bit spread out amongst the rest of the code in the applet
[18:01] <rugby471> oh
[18:02] <rugby471> oh well
[18:02] <dobey> basically you just need to calculate the frames in the PNG/SVG, and loop through the frames, setting the pixbuf as the image in the treeview
[18:02] <rugby471> I am having some trouble with making a listsotre with gtk images for one of the collumn
[18:02]  * mpt -> home
[18:02] <rugby471> it won't show
[18:03] <mpt> thanks for your work mac_v and rugby471
[18:03] <rugby471> thats fine
[18:03] <mac_v> mpt: np
[18:06] <mac_v> rugby471: you might wanna have a look at firefox 3.0 code , it uses png for the throbber
[18:07] <rugby471> kl
[18:14] <davidbarth> pitti: yes, will update that tomorrow morning with the latest on bug fixes listed there
[18:24] <rugby471> wahooo!!!
[18:24] <rugby471> mac_v: step one towards animation, complete :-)
[18:27] <mac_v> nice :)
[18:28] <rugby471> try and do it as a gif, however if it is too crappy, we shall try to it with seperate files
[18:30] <dobey> i don't think GtkCellRendererPixbuf supports animated images (gif/apng/etc)
[18:34] <mclasen> there's a progress cell renderer in gtk, and there's spinner cell renderers floating around
[18:46] <mac_v> rugby471: apng would be better , pls dont use gif ,it uses crappy color support
[18:48] <mac_v> i would say its better to check out how it can be done that to use a crappy gif
[19:10] <mac_v> dobey: just an idea , why does the network manager applet use multiple png while animating the re-connection? can similar be done in software store?[several separate  images]
[19:13] <dobey> i don't know why nm uses multiple PNGs
[19:13] <dobey> you can put all the frames in one PNG
[19:14] <pitti> davidbarth: thanks; Ken already did some updates as well
[19:14] <rugby471> dobey: GtkCellRendererPixbuf doesn't, however I found a script that makes a gtkimage cell renderer and now it does work (only with gifs at the moment)
[19:15] <rugby471> you don't know whether it supports apng or somethign similiar does it?
[19:17] <dobey> if it's a CellRenderPixbufAnimated then it supports whatever GdkPixbufAnimation supports, i would guess
[19:17] <dobey> what icon are you trying to use for the store?
[19:17] <rugby471> yeah but do you know what formats that is :-)
[19:17] <rugby471> well I have just tested apng, doesn't work
[19:18] <dobey> probably gif and gif
[19:18] <rugby471> hehe
[19:18] <rugby471> well gif definitely works
[19:18] <mclasen> .gif and .ico
[19:18] <rugby471> mclasen: thx
[19:18] <mclasen> and bunch of frames
[19:21] <dobey> oh right, .ico
[19:22] <dobey> mclasen: i don't think there's a GdkPixbufAnimation module that handles bunch of frames is there? you have to do it manually since there's no timing info, right?
[19:23] <mclasen> gdk_pixbuf_simple_anim_new
[19:23] <rugby471> here is the current state of it :http://tinypic.com/r/20s84ms/3 (animation is actually smooth)
[19:24] <mac_v> nm animates the applet by a set of 11 icons , couldnt a similar timer be set?
[19:24] <mac_v> 11icons each for each of the 3 stages
[19:51] <rickspencer3> bryce bug #419264 seems related to Intel drivers, can you take a look when you get a chance?
[19:57] <bryce> rickspencer3, yeah been eyeing that one
[19:57] <rickspencer3> bryce, seems spookily timed with mesa update
[19:58] <rickspencer3> bryce, can you assign to yourself if you investigate?
[20:01] <bryce> rickspencer3, well not until a bit more information is collected; there's not enough data to know where it's failing.  Once there is, I can send it upstream, it should be a priority for yingying if it's pinpointed to mesa
[20:02] <rickspencer3> bryce, right
[20:02] <rickspencer3> I couldn't install the debug symbols because of some out of syncness in the repos
[20:02] <bryce> that's weird
[20:03] <rickspencer3>   compiz-core-dbgsym: Depends: compiz-core (= 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu8) but 1:0.8.3+git20090825-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[20:03] <rickspencer3> bryce, ^
[20:08] <bryce> rickspencer3, what does 'apt-cache policy compiz-core' say?
[20:09] <bryce> rickspencer3, you might doublecheck if you have some ppa's set up that are trying to pull compiz git snapshots
[20:09] <bryce> here's what I get:
[20:09] <bryce> $ apt-cache policy compiz-core
[20:09] <bryce> compiz-core:
[20:09] <bryce>   Installed: 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu15
[20:09] <bryce>   Candidate: 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu16
[20:10] <rickspencer3> huh
[20:10] <bryce> so it's curious where that git snapshot of compiz is coming from
[20:10] <rickspencer3> I thought I removed the compiz ppa from sources
[20:10] <rickspencer3> I'll try later
[20:11] <rickspencer3> bryce, I assume you are not seeing the issue on your i965?
[20:13] <bryce> rickspencer3, yeah, compiz only takes about 2% cpu on my 965
[20:13] <bryce> let me update to absolute latest just in case tho
[20:15] <bryce> gconfd is using up 25% cpu, that's a bit odd
[20:23] <rugby471> see ya guys
[23:33] <awe> fta: i'm working on the NM build failure from last night.  should i just commit changes to the ubuntu.head branch?
[23:33] <fta> awe, yes
[23:34] <awe> fta: ok, i'll ping you if/when i land my changes.  thanks!
[23:34] <awe> fyi, it might be 1st thing tomorrow
[23:37] <fta> awe, the bot runs at 7am CEST
[23:37] <fta> that's 5am UTC
[23:37] <awe> ok.  do you automatically sync your daily build branch with ubuntu.head?
[23:38] <fta> yes
[23:38] <awe> ok, cool... that makes sense
[23:38] <fta> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-confs/annotate/head:/ppabot-pkgs-nmt.conf


[00:05] <yuler> Ah, the menu runs seahorse-preferences.  Seahorse is what I'm looking for.
[00:06] <bkerensa> Hi Yuler!
[00:06] <yuler> 'lo
[00:08] <thefinn93> does anyone here have any idea how to package deb files?
[00:08] <thefinn93> i can't work it out
[00:09] <yuler> I've a friend that does, but he's at work ATM
[00:09] <thefinn93> when he gets back you should have him get in this channel
[00:10] <yuler> I will do that
[00:10] <thefinn93> thx
[00:12] <bkerensa> #ubuntu-devel is a good resource
[00:12] <bkerensa> :D
[00:13] <thefinn93> ok
[00:37] <bkerensa> thefinn93: http://flic.kr/p/agoVmo
[00:37] <thefinn93> cool story bro
[00:37] <bkerensa> ?
[00:42] <yuler> Here's a funny idea: how would I redirect the contents of the "clipboard" from the CLI?   e.g. gpg --decrypt 1>????
[00:57] <yuler> found it: xclip.  Diggin' the potential...
[00:59] <urlin2u> I likes clipit
[01:05] <yuler> so close.... "xclip -o -sel clip" shows the clip from CLI, but redirecting it in place of a file didn't work.  gpg -d 1>$xclip -o -sel clip
[01:23] <yuler> bbl8r
[08:56]  * bkerensa is reading a python book
[16:06] <bkerensa> Hi All
[16:29] <bkerensa> Meow
[17:26] <bkerensa> Good Morning urlin2u, Kitty-, dgibbons, bdmurray, jhmextern
[17:27] <urlin2u> morning
[17:28] <bdmurray> Hi
[17:29] <bkerensa> Beautiful day in Oregon :) excellent opportunity to stay inside and continue to learn python so I can write apps for Ubuntu
[17:29] <bkerensa> :D
[17:30] <bdmurray> heh, just leave in the afternoon when it gets warmer
[17:31] <bkerensa> I try to stay next to AC in the afternoon its been baking... I live in a upstairs unit so I have to run AC all day
[17:42] <urlin2u> lets see now where's my worlds smallest violin. ;-)
[20:02]  * thefinn93 loves eSATA
[20:47] <bkerensa> =o
[20:57] <bkerensa> Hi Kitty-
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[23:34] <bkerensa> You coming to Global Jam?