[00:24] <mterry> alecu, dobey: FYI, after a reboot, I still see the dbus error.  Let me know what details I can provide in the bug and I will
[01:46] <dobey> alecu: btw, your ubuntu-storage-protocol timestamp branches still show as pending review from nessita; did you not change that?
[01:46] <dobey> alecu: is it even possible on the LP page, for you to change that?
[01:48] <alecu> dobey, I just tried one of those branches, and yes, I was able to change that.
[01:48] <alecu> dobey, but it's way past my EOD and your EOW, don't worry about that.
[01:48] <alecu> dobey, have a nice long weekend!
[09:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[09:57] <mandel> morning all!
[09:57] <mandel> JamesTait, morning!
[09:58] <JamesTait> Hey mandel. :)
[11:15] <mandel> hm.. JamesTait are europeans the only ones that do not celebrate thanks giving?
[11:20] <JamesTait> mandel: To be honest, I don't know for sure. I thought it was just a US thing.
[11:23] <gatox> hi
[11:23] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[11:23] <mandel> gatox, I have a happy review for you!
[11:23] <j0nr> guys, hi. STILL not all my songs are being processed properly.
[11:24] <mandel> gatox, here you go: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-tests/+merge/83267
[11:24] <mandel> that fixes the sso tests on Windows :)
[11:24] <j0nr> Many songs that have been uploaded to U1 are not showing up correctly in Android Music Player. I can search for them and they fall under the unknown artist catagory
[11:24] <mandel> j0nr, hav you talk with someone of us before?
[11:24] <j0nr> mandel: yes
[11:24] <mandel> j0nr, was it karni?
[11:24] <j0nr> mandel: I have had someone rescan my library
[11:25] <j0nr> mandel: possibly... no manybe beuno and rye
[11:25] <j0nr> maybe*
[11:25]  * karni reads
[11:25] <karni> duanedesign: around?
[11:25]  * rye reads
[11:26] <karni> rye: IIRC beuno said we'd look at what the server returns for j0nr in case he still gets unknowns after a rescan
[11:26] <rye> j0nr, I suppose I was rescanning the songs as well
[11:26] <mandel> j0nr, cool we have rye  with us, I'm sure he can give you a hand :)
[11:26] <j0nr> The strange thing is that certain songs, I have batch tagged at the same time in the same software before upload, then only some of them get correctly recognised
[11:26] <karni> rye: I believe his music was already rescanned 1-2 times
[11:26] <j0nr> rye: not sure what you mean?
[11:26] <rye> j0nr, both duanedesign and I triggered song rescanning at different time so it appears to be not working right
[11:27] <j0nr> Some of them just get put into 'unknown artist' even though, the file itself definitely has an Artist ID3 tag set
[11:27] <j0nr> rye: other times its fine...
[11:28] <j0nr> For e.g., I recently bought something in the U1 Music Store and it shows up fine (quite good actually as it was bought before the release date, so days later, it magically appeared on the release day )
[11:29] <mandel> ralsina, ping?
[11:35]  * gatox reviewing......
[11:39] <mandel> gatox, sweet, take a look closely, the way it works is to have the tearDown to wait until the client and the server are correctly closed. I'll be adding a new TestCase in ubuntuone dev tools that provides that so that we do not have to write it everytime
[11:40] <gatox> mandel, cool!!
[11:42] <mandel> gatox, it was a major pita :P
[11:42] <mandel> gatox, thankfully once that was fixed the tests passed
[11:54] <gatox> mandel, ping
[11:54] <mandel> gatox, pong
[11:54] <mandel> gatox, and now that we are talking, I'm getting this on Vista: lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-vista-update
[11:54] <gatox> mandel, your branch that include this: from ubuntuone.devtools.testcases.dbus import DBusTestCase was already merged into trunk?
[11:54] <mandel> gatox, sorry, paste fail hehehe
[11:55] <mandel> NoneType object has no attribute get_root_dir
[11:55] <mandel> gatox, ^
[11:55] <gatox> mandel, i'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/748106/
[11:55] <mandel> gatox, let me check
[11:56] <mandel> gatox, you need to update ubuntuone-dev-tools in your system :)
[11:56] <gatox> mandel, mmmmm i've seen before that get_root_dir
[11:56] <gatox> ahhhh ok
[11:56] <mandel> gatox, and on windows we do not have the update-manager hehehe
[11:56] <mandel> gatox,  a simple setup.py install should work, but check the installation path to make sure it works correctly :)
[11:57] <gatox> ok
[11:57] <mandel> gatox, I cannot believe people still use Vista.. oh my is bad
[11:58] <gatox> mandel, well..... the lead developer or something like that of Vista said the other day that it was THE MOST SECURE OS............ juazzzzzzzzzz
[11:59] <gatox> mandel, he said that it was even more secure that linux and mac
[12:00] <mandel> gatox, he might be right, even viruses crash on that system :P
[12:00] <gatox> JAJAJAJAJAJAJA
[12:13] <fagan> morning :)
[12:16] <mandel> fagan, morning
[12:18] <mandel> gatox, can you run sd on windows from trunk
[12:18] <mandel> ??
[12:18] <mandel> gatox, I thing bug 806532 is fixed in trunk already
[12:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 806532 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: the pyinotify implementation ignores the termination (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806532
[12:19] <gatox> mandel, give me a sec..... i'm trying to run your other branch :P
[12:20] <mandel> gatox, thx
[12:39] <mandel> I think that u1 is very broken on Vista.. but I'm using an AD user, so that also might be an issue
[12:39] <mandel> jesus christ!
[12:39] <gatox> mandel, you know what i felt now
[12:39] <gatox> jejeej
[12:40] <gatox> two weeks using a weird username
[12:42] <mandel> gatox, yeah.. I have set up all my network with a single AD username so I don't have to remember more than one password, and that brakes things..
[12:43] <mandel> nevertheless is a very common use case.. so lets see what is going on..  I'm trying to find out wtf is going on..
[12:48] <gatox> mandel, if you find it..... or you have a trace show me..... i remember have seeing that bug..... but long time ago
[12:49] <mandel> gatox, yeah, I need to talk to ralsina, maybe he did not update the branch he used for the bundle..
[12:49] <mandel> I really hope that was the issue..
[13:09] <mandel> gatox, is eveyone on holidays?
[13:10] <gatox> mandel, if they are...... they didn't count me in...... :(
[13:10] <mandel> gatox, I suppose dobey is because is thanks giving, and nessita took the full week
[13:10] <gatox> jejejjee
[13:10] <gatox> nessita should return today i think
[13:21] <ralsina> mandel: ?
[13:22] <ralsina> The error about None means syncdaemon is not starting
[13:22] <ralsina> mandel: and you are not going to debug that with a binary build :-/
[13:22] <ralsina> And good morning, sorry I'm late.
[13:24] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[13:25] <mandel> ralsina, yes, I can do it http://wingware.com/doc/howtos/debugging-under-py2exe
[13:25] <mandel> ralsina, buenos dias :)
[13:25] <Chipaca> che, mandel, qemu-img resize didn't work for you?
[13:25] <alecu> mandel, is your branch with the "disconnect tests" fixes already for review?
[13:25] <alecu> mandel, I would really like to review it.
[13:26] <mandel> ralsina, can you try the following branch :  https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-tests/+merge/83267
[13:26] <alecu> gatox, btw: I owe you some tests
[13:26] <mandel> alecu, https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-tests/+merge/83267
[13:26] <mandel> Chipaca, no, no idea why, but the cat trick did the work :)
[13:26]  * ralsina looks
[13:26] <alecu> mandel, cool, thanks!
[13:26] <gatox> alecu, i'm testing your branches..... i almost finish with maverick..... then all for natty
[13:26] <ralsina> mandel: what should I see there?
[13:26] <mandel> alecu, ralsina you both need to update the ubuntuone-dev-tools since it was updated and windows does not know about it :)
[13:26] <alecu> gatox, que grande, gatox!!!
[13:26] <mandel> gatox, we should fix your windows machine
[13:27] <mandel> for tests I mean
[13:28] <gatox> mandel, yep...... because you broke it! jejeej
[13:28] <mandel> ralsina, anyway, I'm testing on a Windows Vista 64 machine and is crap.. we get the notification but the app i snot launched, which does not make much sense
[13:28] <mandel> ralsina, the only diff is that is execute with the Shell runas thing
[13:29] <mandel> gatox, nah, I think you did the setup.py and did not double check where the code was installed, I think DistUtils extra does not work 100% on windows.. I need to check that
[13:29] <ralsina> mandel: So, running it manually work, running it with runas doesn't?
[13:30] <mandel> ralsina, yeah.. I need to look closer into that, I'm setting the dev tools in the vista vm, on the mean time I'm looking at other bugs
[13:30] <ralsina> mandel: ok
[13:30] <ralsina> mandel: doing it manually with runas doesn't work either?
[13:31] <mandel> ralsina, I have not tried, let me see
[13:34] <mandel> ralsina, ha, puto windows vista: runas autoupdate-windows.exe does not work
[13:34] <ralsina> mandel: see? Nothing beats IRL tests
[13:34] <mandel> ralsina, at least with an AD user.. which might be the issue since I have to pass the profile
[13:35] <mandel> ralsina, I'll try with a non AD user, that means that those users in a corporate network that use AD and Ubuntu One won't be able to upgrade atm
[13:35] <mandel> ralsina, I'll test it with Windows 7 too and will report a bug if necesary
[13:35] <ralsina> mandel: if we can detect and do nothing (or if it fails quietly enough)...
[13:35] <alecu> mandel, the branch looks very compact, I like it
[13:36] <mandel> ralsina, it does nothing, yet the command without the runas does work, which means that they get the message and then nothing happens
[13:36] <mandel> alecu, thx :)
[13:37] <alecu> mandel, I'll paste some suggestions in the merge proposal, so using this is shorter for when you move this functionality to u1devtools
[13:38] <ralsina> mandel: I am thinking it may be related to security policies
[13:38] <ralsina> mandel: like, maybe you have to give a special permission to run autoupdate as AD admin
[13:39]  * ralsina is thinking what windows would use instead of /etc/sudoers
[13:39] <mandel> ralsina, yeah, I just tested with runas /user:mandel@ad autoupdate-windows.exe which works.. but it asks you the bloody password over the terminal
[13:40] <ralsina> which, of course, in a subprocess....
[13:40] <ralsina> So, it is what it is, users will have to do manual updates in AD. Not terrible.
[13:40] <mandel> ralsina, kinda ugly.. I'll check on 7 maybe is a Vista feature
[13:41] <ralsina> mandel: ok, but don't waste too much time on it. It's not worth it.
[13:41] <mandel> ralsina, will tests first Vista no AD user, if that works we can land the branch ans fix most of the Vista issues we have
[13:41] <mandel> ralsina, testing on 7 is just launching a vm :)
[13:42] <ralsina> mandel: ok, just let's not lose focus
[13:44] <mandel> ralsina, sure, no problem, I'm closing most of the bugs of my q :)
[13:46] <mandel> ok, time for lunch
[13:46]  * mandel lunch
[13:47] <gatox> lisette, ping
[13:56] <ralsina> alecu: mumble ping?
[13:57] <alecu> ralsina, sure. Give me a minute so I can boot my mumble laptop.
[13:58] <alecu> mandel, I've added a few small suggestions to your branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-tests/+merge/83267
[13:58] <alecu> gatox, ralsina: those are trial testing style suggestions, and perhaps they might interest you too.
[13:59] <ralsina> alecu: thanks1
[13:59]  * gatox lookign.....
[14:01] <alecu> mandel, gatox, ralsina: I guess it all boils down to "try not to use tearDown, use addCleanup as closely to the initialization as possible"
[14:22] <lisette> gatox: pong
[14:22] <gatox> lisette, hi.... how are you?
[14:22] <gatox> lisette, i was looking at this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-windows-installer/+bug/823195
[14:22] <ubot4> gatox: Error: Bug #823195 not found.
[14:23] <gatox> and says see attachment..... but i can't find the attachement :P
[14:24] <lisette> gatox: oops, i must have forgotten that in the bug frenzy i was in at the time..
[14:24] <gatox> lisette, also..... can you add a little more info about this (if it's not much trouble): List header size and colour
[14:24] <gatox> * Check boxes (in the current screen there is no way to unselect a folder)
[14:24] <gatox> * Folder icons    ..... or give me the links of the docs where that is defined if you have them please :D
[14:25] <gatox> lisette, i lost my bookmarks :P
[14:25] <gatox> if that were in the docs
[14:46]  * mandel back
[14:46] <mandel> alecu, looking
[14:47] <mandel> alecu, everything looks reasonable, I'll implemented in a few mins
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <gatox> alecu, mandel dobey ralsina ping! standup?
[15:00] <ralsina> mw
[15:00] <gatox> ahhhh team meating today
[15:00] <ralsina> me
[15:00] <gatox> or standup?
[15:00]  * ralsina checks the calendar
[15:00] <ralsina> team meeting!
[15:01]  * gatox opening mumble
[15:07] <alecu> elopio, ping
[15:07] <alecu> elopio, would you be able to join us in a mumble in say, 10 minutes?
[15:07] <elopio> alecu, pong
[15:07] <elopio> alecu, sure, no problem
[15:08] <alecu> elopio, we are having a team meeting right now, I'll ping you back then. thanks!
[15:32] <alecu> elopio, would you mind joining mumble?
[15:32] <alecu> elopio, channel: U1- Desktop Plus
[15:32] <elopio> alecu, ok.
[15:32] <alecu> thanks!
[16:08] <ralsina> gatox: bug #894438
[16:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 894438 in ubuntuone-control-panel "The --minimized option is ignored on windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894438
[16:08] <ralsina> gatox: it's a one-liner
[16:08] <ralsina> gatox: but expect to write about 75 lines of tests for it ;-)
[16:09] <gatox> ralsina, jjejejeje nessita??
[16:09] <gatox> :P
[16:10] <ralsina> gatox: the thing is, I don't think there are any tests for command line options
[16:10] <gatox> ralsina, ahhhhhhhh there is the trap!
[16:10] <gatox> jejeej
[16:10] <ralsina> gatox: which is why this slipped through our tests
[16:10] <gatox> ralsina, ok..... looking at that
[16:10]  * ralsina may be tempted to look the other way as long as minimized=minimized is added to the main() call
[16:11] <gatox> alecu let me know if you receive my message with the u1-client failure..... i'm missing something
[16:16] <gatox> need to restart... i'm about to lose control of the computer :P mandel please bring me new laptop soon! :P
[16:20]  * gatox lunch..... brb
[16:32] <ralsina> alecu, mandel: I knew there was something else with twisted/gi problems: unity integration! bug #851187
[16:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 851187 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Precise) (and 7 other projects) "Progress bar does not appear on launcher (affects: 6) (heat: 28)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851187
[16:32] <alecu> ralsina: right!
[16:32] <mandel> ralsina, and we use twisted for that?
[16:33] <ralsina> mandel: looks like it
[16:33] <alecu> mandel, we use gi from syncdaemon, yes.
[16:33] <mandel> ouch!
[16:36] <dobey> ralsina: yes
[16:37] <dobey> alecu: we have broken support for doing some other bits in syncdaemon through gi also; one is pretty easy to fix, though the fix is ugly; the other i am not sure about yet
[16:37] <dobey> and ubuntuone-control-panel is really a mess
[16:37] <ralsina> Ok, lunch!
[16:52] <mandel> alecu, so I implemented the changes but I'm getting lots of mocker errors.. I'm considering getting rid of mocker, what do you think?
[17:05] <gatox> is there anyone free for a review?
[17:09] <mandel> gatox, ok, I need someone to scream at :P
[17:09] <gatox> mandel, what happend?
[17:09] <mandel> gatox, somos una panda de gilipollas de un nivel desmesurado!!
[17:09] <gatox> mandel, QUE PASO?!
[17:09] <mandel> gatox, so, turns out that if you have sso running, the sso tests stop working
[17:10] <mandel> gatox, aint that nice :P
[17:10] <mandel> I've waisted like an hour on that
[17:10] <gatox> mandel, ahhh..... yes..... i notice that once
[17:10] <dobey> ?
[17:10] <gatox> mandel, but i never had both things running together
[17:10] <mandel> gatox, I did 'til now..
[17:11] <mandel> dobey, yeah..
[17:11] <mandel> gatox, can you review this guy please: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-tests/+merge/83267
[17:11] <mandel> gatox, if you can run tests on windows :P
[17:12] <dobey> mandel: oh, it only happens on windows?
[17:12] <gatox> mandel, i can't run tests on windows yet....... thanks to you! :P jejeje
[17:12] <mandel> dobey, yes
[17:12] <gatox> mandel, i'll save the review for later..... i'll try to fix the u-dev-tools problem in a while
[17:12] <mandel> dobey, I'll file a bug about that and.. I dont know send it to somewhere so that all know that
[17:12] <dobey> mandel: all the IPC we do there is direct P2P right, without an intermediate daemon like dbus?
[17:13] <mandel> dobey, yes.. I think it has to do with the activation, but I'm not sure
[17:13] <mandel> dobey, it gets the port of the running one or something and brakes
[17:13] <mandel> I need to look closer
[17:14] <dobey> mandel: right; it seems like we can't solve this the same way as we do for linux
[17:16] <mandel> dobey, windows has added a number of 'nice' problems of its own that we need to fix
[17:18] <dobey> anyway, i think i will go make some lunch and get back to this holiday thing
[17:20] <mandel> dobey, yeah, is the turkey thing, go an kill a bird (with pun intended :P )
[17:23] <mandel> ralsina_, ping
[17:24] <dobey> mandel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMVdqrKB600
[17:24] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: pong, but I am eating
[17:24] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: and I knew about the SSO running problem. I even mentioned it months ago ;-)
[17:25] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, I was not listening :P
[17:25] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, so, if a machine was added to a domain using AD the update wont work on Vista no matter if you are a local user or a ad user
[17:25] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: hehe. So, what's the pinging for?
[17:26] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: ok, so bad luck
[17:26] <mandel> ralsina_lunch,  the above ^
[17:26] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, so, the fix works for no ad machines (tested it)
[17:26] <ralsina_lunch> ok, cool
[17:26] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, I'm looking at windows 7, but I fear is the same issue
[17:26] <ralsina_lunch> I'll commit the installer-side fix
[17:27] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, same with windows 7
[17:28] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, runas needs the user to be able to do the update and then the password
[17:28] <mandel> gatox, ^
[17:28] <mandel> I'll file a bug
[17:28] <ralsina_lunch> ok
[17:29] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, is my eod, so if gatox annot run https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-tests/+merge/83267 can you do it?
[17:29] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: will try
[17:29] <gatox> mandel, i save the link..... so if i can run the tests before my eod., i'll do it
[17:30] <gatox> mandel, i need to run tests!! :P
[17:33] <mandel> gatox,  :)
[17:33] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, here is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/894471
[17:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 894471 in ubuntu-sso-client "Autoupdate is broken on machines that have joined a domain with AD (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:33] <mandel> joshuahoover, ping?
[17:36] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: I am *so* tempted to say "wontfix" but maybe we should ask upstream in bitrock
[17:37] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, is not bitrock.. is the fact that we use runas, the nice way would be if they fixed the autoupdater to be able to run the check without being root, or set it as root and then check the version with python from our side
[17:37] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, which makes more sense, right?
[17:38] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: we can't set it to run as root if we want to run it periodically
[17:38] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: so, we end up getting the XML and parsing it ourselves. Then whay do we need autoupdate.exe for?
[17:38] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, that is for checking if there is a nwew version, installing needs root, checking for updates does not
[17:38] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: yes but it's a single binary
[17:39] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: so if I make that binary require root...
[17:39] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, yes.. I know we need to either do it in python or find a diff way to execute the installer without runas
[17:40] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: ok, please put your thoughts in the bug tomorrow ;-)
[17:43] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, yeah, rugby now, but will fix other bugs first then :)
[17:44] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, I have approved https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-vista-update/+merge/82418 to land in trunk since it fix the bug, I consider the domain bug a diff one
[17:44] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: agreed
[17:45] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, also, when is nessita back?
[17:45] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, I ahve a number of branches block for here review to fix bug 845659
[17:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 845659 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Windows: implement the "there is a new version available" notifications (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845659
[17:45] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: tuesday I think
[17:46] <mandel> ralsina_lunch, ok, so I'll remove her need of review if you agree so that we can land the changes and test in irl the check of the new version in a periodic manner, is that ok?
[17:46] <ralsina_lunch> yes
[17:47] <gatox> brb!!
[17:47] <mandel> ralsina, cool, then I'll work on landing that tom so that we can do IRL tests on the diff machines
[17:48] <mandel> now, rugby!
[17:48]  * mandel runs to tackle people!
[19:31]  * gatox thinks that ralsina  is lying to him, or i can not understand the bug.... everything is working fine with --minimized
[19:32] <alecu> gatox, bug #590752
[19:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 590752 in ubuntuone-client "Client tests depends on having Desktopcouch paswords stored (affects: 2)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590752
[19:32] <alecu> gatox, that's the problem you are having on your maverick vm
[19:32] <gatox> alecu, exactly!!!
[19:32] <gatox> alecu, i'll take a look at that! thakns
[19:34] <alecu> gatox, you'll probably need to start desktopcouch at least once
[19:34] <alecu> gatox, by using the "me menu" -> "Ubuntu One..." option.
[19:35] <gatox> alecu, thanks..... i'll try it when i finished with this vm
[19:35]  * gatox soon is going to be able to open more than one vm at the same time
[19:36] <ralsina> gatox: I may be lying, but you shouldn't notice ;-)
[19:37] <gatox> ralsina, ejejjee...... what should happend if i open the control panel with --minimized????? i expect it to be minimize..... and print the have the --minimzed arg in sys.argv.....
[19:37] <gatox> that is happening right now..... or i'm missing something?
[19:37] <ralsina> gatox: are you trying it in windows?
[19:37] <gatox> ralsina, yes
[19:37] <ralsina> trunk or stable?
[19:37] <gatox> trunk
[19:37] <ralsina> weird
[19:38] <gatox> ralsina, believe me..... i can show you screenshots if you want :P
[19:38] <ralsina> It should not show a window, and only appear a an icon in the notification area. Is that what you get? from current trunk?
[19:38] <gatox> ralsina, exactly..... and if i press the icon the window appear
[19:38] <ralsina> gatox: *very* weird
[19:39] <gatox> ralsina, do you want  a screenshot?
[19:39] <ralsina> gatox: give me 5' to see
[19:39] <gatox> ralsina, ok!
[19:39] <gatox> ralsina, maybe you fix it and you don't remember :P
[19:40] <ralsina> gatox: I know I have not merged any branches
[19:44] <ralsina> gatox: I feel like I am a crazy person
[19:44] <gatox> ralsina, it works for you too?
[19:45] <ralsina> gatox: yes
[19:45] <ralsina> gatox: but I even remember checking what branch/revision broke it
[19:46] <ralsina> gatox: so, I will ust read the IRC backlog and find out ;-)
[19:46] <gatox> weird....
[19:46] <gatox> jejejejeej
[19:47] <ralsina> gatox, check https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/import-qt4reactor/+merge/81980 line 50 of the diff
[19:48]  * gatox checking.....
[19:48] <ralsina> gatox: and line 43
[19:48] <ralsina> That function is getting the minimized argument and throwinf it away. And the branch is merged. So I have no idea why that code is not there right now :-)
[19:48] <ralsina> Oh, wait
[19:49] <ralsina> mark as invalid
[19:49] <ralsina> The problem is when you have this and another branch for unique instances at the same time, and I owe alecu and natalia an apology
[19:50] <gatox> ralsina, ahhhhhhhhh
[19:50] <ralsina> So, what really has to be done is fix my unique application branch
[19:50] <ralsina> And I will do that myself.
[19:51]  * alecu is not sure he understands the problem yet
[19:51] <alecu> ralsina: is this problem happening because of an unrelated branch?
[19:51] <ralsina> alecu: yes
[19:52] <ralsina> alecu: The other branch broke because of the refactoring and it didn't even produce a conflict
[19:52] <ralsina> alecu: that's what I get for manually merging branches on releases
[19:52] <alecu> :-(
[19:54] <ralsina> So, sorry, alecu!
[19:54] <alecu> no problem!~~~
[19:54] <alecu> nothing to be sorry about !
[20:38] <gatox> eod here!! time to go to the gym! bye
[20:38] <ralsina> bye gatox!
[20:38] <gatox> ralsina, bye..... see you tomorrow
[21:17] <alecu> my house is officially invaded by small kids
[21:17]  * alecu will return in a few hours
[22:15] <mandel> alecu, I just pushed the changes for the fix-tests branch :)


[02:13] <fear> I have ubuntu mate running on my raspberry pi ( version 2 model b) using an arm processor, and it only sees 4gb of the 32gb on the micro sd card, why is this?
[17:08] <lautriv_> hey there ;) anyone using a rockchip rk3188 with *buntu ?
[17:11] <k1l_> wasnt rockchip the ones that dont provide any sources?
[17:13] <lautriv_> k1l_, there are sources, there are also certain linux-images but made for a specific board useless for mine .
[17:15] <lautriv_> i found some sites talking about picuntu but appears that site is down.
[17:15] <k1l_> lautriv_: yeah, on ARM you need specific images for the boards. not a universal iso like on the pcs.
[17:16] <lautriv_> k1l_, i'm aware of the difference, working on a SoC under NDA. But the main difference for rockchips is the bootloader b/c init of memory.
[17:17] <k1l_> yeah, best is to look out for your specific board.
[17:18] <lautriv_> hardware is already present.


[01:46] <mparillo> Working on updating our pages for 20.04.2 Could somebody check https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=4153&action=edit
 I am unable view your post even if I remove &action=edit from the link.
[02:13] <mparillo> OK, fingers crossed. Published: https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-20-04-2-lts-update-available/
 Wow, the bug fix list is huge!!
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks


[02:31] <elky> inb4 forkbomb
[02:35] <elky> that ip address has 3 klines to its name that i can see
[02:46] <elky> seems it was part of a botnet in feb
[06:38] <Unit193> That was also on efnet's Tor RBL.
[09:13] <bazhang> @random bashdows emacs HURD snappyclang
[09:13] <bazhang> what!
[22:01] <Jordan_U> My browser isn't allowing me to access http://ubottu.com did someone let the https cert lapse or otherwise break things?
[22:02] <Unit193> Jordan_U: Expires 2018, though looks like it doesn't have the full chain.
[22:02] <Jordan_U> Looks like it's not that. Probably using a root CA I don't have.
[22:02] <Unit193> Also, http: is accessible.
[22:02] <Jordan_U> Unit193: Not for me, HSTS prevents me from using http for ubottu.com.
[22:02] <Unit193> Firefox will cache roots, so if you visit another site that uses the same Gandi cert.
[22:22] <Jordan_U> Unit193: Any chance at a proper fix?
[22:25] <Unit193> Pici: Cert chain on ubottu.com is incomplete, care to fix it?
[22:25] <Unit193> Jordan_U: That's all Pici's stuff.


[01:34] <mainque> Hello
[01:35] <Unit193> Bye.
[01:53] <bluesabre> haha
[09:07] <ochosi> ali1234: indeed, sometimes the icon is there, sometimes it isn't...
[09:07] <ochosi> almost 50/50 here
[10:02] <bluesabre> micahg: any way we could get this merged? https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/182352
[14:12] <ochosi> micahg: can you please update the seed-file to install gtk-theme-config by default?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> ^ \o/
[14:56] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[14:57] <brainwash> ochosi: lp bug #1226509
[14:58] <elfy> brainwash: is that you on LP?
[14:58] <brainwash> ochosi: when I logout of the xubuntu session, "gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot" resturns returns "('challange',)" instead of "('yes',)"
[15:00] <brainwash> ochosi: so the restart menu entry won't show up
[15:00] <brainwash> elfy: well, it's my LP account, but not my real name
[15:01] <elfy> thanks - like to know who people are where I can :)
[15:01] <elfy> funnily enough elfy isn't my real name either :D
[15:02] <brainwash> and here is the missing key bug report: #1227637
[15:03] <brainwash> lp bug #1227637
[15:07] <brainwash> ochosi: we should add systemd to the list of affected packages, or?
[15:09] <slickymaster> knome: never mind, got it solved
[15:21] <ochosi> brainwash: thanks for the testing/debugging
[15:22] <brainwash> ochosi: maybe there is even something wrong with polkit, actually.. I have no clue what I am doing :)
[15:23] <elfy> well you're doing more than me - I'd not have a clue how to get that far :)
[15:23] <ochosi> i pinged robert about it, we'll see what he says
[15:23] <ochosi> but if he doesn't get back to me, plz add your info to the bugreport
[15:25] <brainwash> might be interesting to know if lubuntu is affected too
[15:26] <ochosi> as they use the same greeter etc, i'm pretty sure they're affected as well
[15:26] <brainwash> so it's unlikely that xfce4-session is doing some manipulation?
[15:26] <ochosi> not sure, i'm waiting for robert's feedback
[15:26] <brainwash> ok :)
[15:26] <ochosi> he's first hunch was that it's a polkit issue
[15:27] <ochosi> btw, as long as i'm in my running session, it returns "yes"
[15:27] <brainwash> yes
[15:27] <brainwash> checking some polkit stuff at them moment
[15:32] <ochosi> brainwash: how do you run the command btw? on a separate VT? if so, from what user?
[15:38] <brainwash> ochosi: tty1
[15:38] <brainwash> same user
[15:38] <ochosi> hm
[15:38] <ochosi> at least when i lock the screen, i get "yes", but the menuitem still isn't there
[15:38] <ochosi> curious
[15:38] <brainwash> CanShutdown still returns "yes"
[15:41] <brainwash> shouldn't the unity greeter be affected too?
[15:42] <ochosi> possible
[15:42] <ochosi> i never use that
[15:42] <ochosi> but if you can test it, that'd be great
[15:42] <ochosi> i'm currently running out of battery
[15:42] <ochosi> bbabl
[15:42] <brainwash> ok, later
[15:43] <bluesabre> get ready, unity-greeter pulls all of unity
[15:43] <bluesabre> and some of those indicators seem to crash out the indicator-plugin
[15:43] <brainwash> yea, that would kill my system
[15:44] <brainwash> same for gdm
[15:46] <brainwash> but maybe there is someone in this channel who is running various test installations :)
[16:32] <elfy> brainwash: well I would look - but trying to get to tty1 in a vbox doesn't work
[16:34] <ali1234> yeah it does
[16:34] <ali1234> press right ctrl + f1
[16:34] <elfy> just found that :)
[16:36] <brainwash> elfy: are you running a copy of lubuntu or default ubuntu in a vm?
[16:37] <brainwash> just curious, if the menu entry for "restart" is only missing when using Xubuntu
[16:37] <brainwash> (the lightdm greeter menu entry)
[16:38] <brainwash> after first logout
[16:38] <brainwash> it's present when you boot the pc, before graphical login
[16:39] <elfy> present on logout in ubuntu
[16:39] <elfy> brainwash: it's a vm - trying to work out how to do gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot when logged out :)
[16:40] <brainwash> well, switch to tty1 and login
[16:42] <elfy> brainwash: get challenge from tty1
[16:42] <brainwash> same here
[16:43] <brainwash> and the value of "CanShutdown" ?
[16:44] <elfy> gets an error
[16:44] <brainwash> uhm, "CanPoweroff"
[16:45] <elfy> gets yes
[16:45] <brainwash> that's the ubuntu machine?
[16:45] <elfy> yep
[16:45] <elfy> anything else you want me to check in tty1 - I'll screenshot the errors
[16:45] <brainwash> ok, pretty strange, that the values are not the same
[16:46] <elfy> not the  same as Xubuntu ? or not the same as each other?
[16:46] <brainwash> "challenge" would imply that a multiuser session is running
[16:46] <brainwash> same for Xubuntu
[16:47] <brainwash> but the method to query and evaluate this values might be somewhat different
[16:47] <elfy> xubuntu get's different at tty1?
[16:47] <brainwash> no
[16:47] <brainwash> :D
[16:48] <elfy> and restart is definitely there by the way
[16:48] <brainwash> an easy workaround would be threat "challenge" like "yes"
[16:49] <brainwash> and show the restart option when displaying the light gtk greeter
[16:49] <brainwash> elfy: thanks for testing :)
[16:49] <elfy> welcome
[16:49] <elfy> least I can do :)
[16:49] <brainwash> guess we have to wait for a response from the lightdm expert
[16:50] <elfy> that'll not be me :p
[16:51] <elfy> I'll leave the vm available for a while before I kill it
[16:52] <ochosi> brainwash: the workaround is no good
[16:52] <ochosi> this has to be fixed properly
[16:52] <ochosi> i'll take a look at how unity-greeter queries for the restart-button
[16:53] <ochosi> thanks for testing this, guys
[16:54] <elfy> :)
[16:56] <ochosi> elfy: where is the reboot-thingy located in the unity-greeter?
[16:57] <ochosi> brainwash: btw, --no-install-recommends and it doesn't pull in unity (the unity-greeter i mean)
[16:57] <ochosi> brb
[16:57] <bluesabre> nice to know
[17:00] <elfy> ochosi: in the shutdown menu - same place as ours
[17:18] <ochosi> so, even with unity-greeter, the dbus-call results in "challenge"
[17:18] <ochosi> instead of "yes"
[17:18] <ochosi> but as they use indicator-session for the shutdown-menu (which we could do as well in xubuntu, btw) and that one seems to have a different way of checking...
[17:19] <elfy> ochosi: gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot got me 'challenge'
[17:19] <ochosi> yes
[17:19] <ochosi> that's confirmed now
[17:19] <ochosi> and that's the reason why the greeter doesn't show the restart-menuitem
[17:19] <ochosi> because it expects "yes"
[17:20] <elfy> yep understood
[18:07] <knome> skellat, thanks for chiming in with bug 1228098, though i kind of wanted to make sure we prepare the bug first, then ask for an ACK (and seems like we have the wonderful mr_pouit to upload those packages for us)
[19:35] <brainwash> ochosi: regarding the polkit (or policykit^^) issue, the mystery is kinda solved
[19:35] <ochosi> brainwash: aha?
[19:36] <brainwash> open /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy and compare the attributes of
[19:36] <brainwash> <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.reboot-multiple-sessions">
[19:36] <brainwash> and
[19:36] <brainwash> <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.poweroff-multiple-sessions">
[19:37] <brainwash> the values for <allow_active> differ
[19:38] <brainwash> setting it to "yes" restores the restart menu entry
[19:38] <ochosi> indeed
[19:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: any clue what we should do about that? ^ ask robert again?
[19:40] <ochosi> brainwash: could you add that to the bugreport so i can bug robert again?
[19:42] <brainwash> ochosi: well, you can do it too, won't take any credits from me, because my account is a fake one anyway :)
[19:43] <ochosi> can do later, now i have to file a FFe
[19:43] <knome> (:
[19:44] <brainwash> but damn, I have learned so much about lightdm, systemd/logind and policykit
[19:44] <ochosi> feel free to help us with patches then in the greeter ;)
[19:46] <brainwash> yea, doing my best :)
[19:49] <ochosi> andrzejr: could you at some point do a new release of the indicator-plugin to fix the sound-menu scrolling?
[20:07] <ochosi> brainwash: ok, updated the bugreport and subscribed robert_ancell to it
[20:07] <ochosi> he can hopefully give us some direction
[20:08] <elfy> ochosi: which bug is it - I keep losing it :|
[20:08] <ochosi> elfy: the reboot-menuitem missing in the greeter
[20:08] <ochosi> aka 1226509
[20:08] <elfy> ta
[20:08] <ochosi> aka bug 1226509
[20:10] <brainwash> nice, and robert already fixed lightdm --test-mode, finally things start to work again, one by one :)
[20:11] <ochosi> yup
[20:11] <ochosi> but we have to spot the bugs and report them one by one...
[20:11] <ochosi> tons of regressions in the 1.7 cycle
[20:11] <ochosi> that is really the opposite of careful pushing updates
[20:12] <brainwash> bleeding edge =S
[20:13] <ochosi> yeah, just not as openly as fedora
[20:13] <brainwash> so glad that Ubuntu didn't switch to the rolling release model
[20:14] <ochosi> yeah phew
[20:14] <ochosi> well development would happen differently then, hopfully
[20:14] <ochosi> hopefully
[20:14] <ochosi> or at least uploading
[20:16] <ochosi> brainwash: btw, the bug with the menu will be tackled in greybird
[20:16] <ochosi> we'll keep the menu in the greeter
[20:16] <ochosi> we still have to test whether it happens in other themes too
[20:16] <brainwash> language menu?
[20:16] <ochosi> no, contextmenu
[20:16] <brainwash> ah
[20:16] <brainwash> ok
[20:16] <ochosi> what's the deal with the language menu?
[20:17] <brainwash> you can disable the language indicator, but a white pixel will remain
[20:17] <brainwash> bug 1191509
[20:17] <brainwash> very low priority bug I guess
[20:18] <ochosi> yeah, but still worth fixing
[20:18] <ochosi> no clue why that happens though
[20:18] <ochosi> brb
[20:18] <brainwash> same, back in 20min
[20:19] <elfy> back tomorrow - night
[20:31] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, go with robert
[20:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: already did (by subscribing him)
[20:37] <ochosi> skellat: thanks for weighing in!
[21:18] <brainwash> ochosi: shouldn't there be a condition for this line to check, if the language indicator is disabled or not?
[21:18] <brainwash> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L1609
[22:20] <ochosi> brainwash: the check is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L1735
[22:25] <andrzejr> bluesabre, which indicators are crashing indicator plugin?
[22:26] <bluesabre> not sure, I kinda tossed out all the ones that came with unity when it started happening
[22:26] <bluesabre> I'd say appmenu was probably one culprit
[22:27] <andrzejr> bluesable, appmenu does not show up at all here (13.10+gtk3)
[22:28] <andrzejr> it kind of works on 13.04, though
[22:28] <bluesabre> it showed up for me
[22:28] <bluesabre> 13.10+gtk3
[22:28] <bluesabre> but seemed crashy
[22:28] <ochosi> i guess appmenu should be blacklisted by default
[22:28] <ochosi> it's trouble
[22:28] <bluesabre> does the blacklist currently work?
[22:28] <andrzejr> yes, blacklist and whitelist
[22:28] <andrzejr> but require panel restart
[22:29] <bluesabre> yeah, I'd definitely go ahead and blacklist appmenu, having the menu with the system indicators is silly anyway :)
[22:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: you can add a second plugin though to the panel
[22:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: and only show the appmenu there
[22:29] <bluesabre> oh
[22:29] <ochosi> but still, it's too crashy atm
[22:30] <ochosi> woo, longstanding shimmer-themes bug fixed
[22:30] <bluesabre> woot
[22:30] <bluesabre> which one?
[22:30] <ochosi> albatross titlebar
[22:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, if you have an opinion on bug #1226200...
[22:32] <andrzejr> ochosi, greybird has some usability issues (xfwm4 theme)
[22:32] <ochosi> andrzejr: which ones?
[22:32] <andrzejr> 1px border thickness and low contrast between active/inactive title bar
[22:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: yup, can't do anything without breaking the themes out on their own
[22:33] <bluesabre> would've been nice if satya/georgi just used our daily ppa
[22:33] <knome> ochosi, tbh, the PPA owner should change the directory, not the approved package.
[22:33] <ochosi> andrzejr: the border is actually 2px (because of a rendering-bug in Xorg it seems, introduced in 12.10 iirc)
[22:33] <andrzejr> (sorry if I have already told you that before)
[22:34] <knome> s/approved package/package in the official repositories/
[22:34] <bluesabre> ah
[22:34] <bluesabre> +1
[22:34] <ochosi> andrzejr: the low contrast between in/active was discussed before and it's not *that* little. anyway, the appropriate thing would be using gtk3's inactive window style...
[22:34] <ochosi> knome: feel free to chime in with my last comment then (e.g. use the shimmer-daily ppa) and close as wontfix
[22:35] <ochosi> (that was my evil plan when i asked >:D)
[22:36] <bluesabre> and satya can add conflicts to shimmer-themes (>= 13.10)
[22:36] <bluesabre> s/to/for
[22:36] <bluesabre> (to their numix-gtk-theme package)
[22:37] <ochosi> ok, forwarded to satya
[22:38] <knome> closed
[22:38] <ochosi> ty
[22:38]  * bluesabre tried to get his xubuntu-to-do list together
[22:38] <bluesabre> *tries
[22:38] <ochosi> andrzejr: if you have a suggestion for increasing the contrast, lemme know though!
[22:38]  * bluesabre cannot type today
[22:39] <andrzejr> ochosi, yes, it is better than it used to be but still on the "hard to use" side.
[22:39] <ochosi> andrzejr: or post a screenshot
[22:40] <andrzejr> ochosi, is it possible (feasible) to change gtk colors between active/inactive windows?
[22:40] <ochosi> andrzejr: it's possible and implemented in gtk3
[22:40] <ochosi> andrzejr: the whole inactive window gets dimmed
[22:41] <ochosi> (one of the nicer features of gtk3 imo)
[22:41] <bluesabre> sometimes
[22:41] <bluesabre> slows things down tremendously in Ambiance/Radiance since the whole style changes
[22:41] <ochosi> hm
[22:41] <ochosi> that sucks then
[22:42] <bluesabre> it should have a label
[22:42] <bluesabre> *use sparingly*
[22:42] <andrzejr> ochosi, I don't see that in 13.10 + Greybird/master
[22:42] <ochosi> i could never test it because it isn't really integrated in greybird, because in xfce it doesn't make much sense
[22:42] <ochosi> andrzejr: ^ ;)
[22:43] <ochosi> andrzejr: same with the "dark style" btw, that apps can request
[22:44] <ochosi> i also don't support that because xfwm4 doesnt
[22:44] <andrzejr> ochosi, still I would rather have mismatched colors between the title bar and gtk widgets if that had more contrast.
[22:44] <ochosi> well the reason is different for those two features
[22:45] <ochosi> dark style: xfwm4 doesn't support gtk3 and therefore no dark style
[22:45] <ochosi> inactive windows: no gtk3 core in xfce, so it will look incredibly mixed if i add this style for gtk3 apps
[22:46] <ochosi> i assume that with xfwm4 the plan is to wait until wayland is all over the place and then xfwm4 can simply be scrapped
[22:47] <bluesabre> wow
[22:47] <bluesabre> that would be some time away
[22:48] <ochosi> well, isn't the gtk3 port of xfce too?
[22:48] <bluesabre> heh
[22:48] <bluesabre> fair enough
[22:48] <bluesabre> though technically, I think gtk2 is no longer receiving any updates whatsoever, so its going to start disappearing a bit quicker now
[22:49] <ochosi> yeah, but there don't seem to be terrible terrible bugs in it either
[22:49] <andrzejr> ochosi, fyi, I find Moheli almost perfect. The only thing I would change is having a smooth transition between the title bar and gtk widgets in inactive windows.
[22:50] <ochosi> andrzejr: ah, i used to use moheli when i started using xfce!
[23:17] <knome> new ubiquity version is uploaded
[23:18] <bluesabre> woop!
[23:18] <bluesabre> iso testing tomorrow
[23:18] <knome> well the beta 2 freeze is on monday
[23:19] <knome> but yeah, it wouldn't hurt to boot up some testing machines tomorrow either to check if everything is in place
[23:20] <knome> ok, i'm off for today
[23:21] <bluesabre> seeya knome!
[23:21] <knome> i'll be off most of today, but i'll be around in the evening (approximately 20UTC at latest, but probably earlier)
[23:21] <knome> good night everybody and thanks for all the hard work today!
[23:21] <ochosi> hf and night
[23:22] <knome> ...heh, s/most of today/most of tomorrow/ ;)
[23:22] <knome> ->


[16:31] <nickraper666420> where in MD is everyone from?
[16:35] <maco> how did nobody in your family decide to change that last name?
[16:51] <nickraper666420> hahaha
[16:51] <nickraper666420> its my quake name sorry


 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/snaps-have-priority/113
 http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2017/kde-at-ubunturally-in-new-york-kde-applications-snaps/


[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[14:01] <Pendulum> do we have an agenda for today's meeting?
[14:05] <czajkowski> hmm
[14:05] <czajkowski> no but we should really
[14:42] <czajkowski> Pendulum: want to create an agenda I need to nip out for 20
[14:43] <Pendulum> czajkowski: any ideas for what should be on it?
[14:44] <czajkowski> update on bp
[14:44] <czajkowski> plans for the future
[14:44] <czajkowski> is there a future in the team
[15:11] <Pendulum> the agenda is now on the wiki
[15:13] <czajkowski> thanks
[15:13] <czajkowski> I'll send a reminder mail
[15:13] <Pendulum> :)
[15:15] <czajkowski> done
[15:29] <astraljava> Thanks Laura for the reminder. :) Made me realize I wasn't even hanging on the correct #. :)
[15:31] <czajkowski> astraljava: it was Pendulum that remembered
[15:31] <czajkowski> I've been a bit busy with stuff lately
[15:32] <astraljava> I can relate. :)
[15:32] <Pendulum> I was checking to make sure a meeting had posted to fridge correctly and happened to notice
[15:32] <Pendulum> complete coincidence
[17:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:59] <czajkowski> so anyone here for the meeting
[17:59] <czajkowski> give it another few mins
[18:00] <czajkowski> bac: cjohnston foobacca highvoltage hexmode issyl0 JanC mgdm Pendulum pleia2 txwikinger
[18:00] <cjohnston> huh?
[18:00] <czajkowski> Meeting starting in about two mins
[18:00] <txwikinger> o/
[18:00] <czajkowski> just highlighting folks
[18:00] <czajkowski> thought it was easier that way
[18:00] <pleia2> too busy at work today, sorry :(
[18:00] <czajkowski> np
[18:00] <AlanBell> o/
[18:01] <cjohnston> umm.. sure.. im here for the meeting?
[18:01] <cjohnston> heh
[18:01] <czajkowski> hmm no mootbot
[18:02] <czajkowski> oh well
[18:02] <czajkowski> MEETING NOW
[18:02] <czajkowski> AGENDA - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/Meeting
[18:02] <czajkowski> evening folks who's here for meeting
[18:02] <czajkowski> o/
[18:02] <txwikinger> o/
[18:03] <czajkowski> ok..
[18:03] <AlanBell> o/
[18:03] <czajkowski> well apologies first for not following up on meetings, just been crazy and for some unkonwn reason I seem to have forgotten about ngo stuff with a lot of other work
[18:03] <Pendulum> hiya
[18:03] <czajkowski> thanks to Pendulum for rmembering today
[18:03]  * skellat Raises hand to acknowledge presence
[18:03] <Pendulum> o/
[18:04] <AlanBell> czajkowski: do #startmeeting
[18:04] <czajkowski> so we have this blueprint from UDS = https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-ngo-team
[18:04] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[18:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 16 17:01:56 2010 UTC.  The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[18:04] <meetingology> updated
[18:04] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
[18:04] <meetingology> updated
[18:04] <czajkowski> whoo
[18:05] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/Meeting
[18:05] <czajkowski> [topic] Blueprint
[18:05] <meetingology> TOPIC: Blueprint
[18:05] <czajkowski> [link] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-ngo-team
[18:05] <czajkowski> so I know I have a few items on there
[18:05] <czajkowski> but wondering how folks are getting on with theirs
[18:06] <czajkowski> hexmode: how are you getting on ?
[18:06] <hexmode> :P not so well
[18:06] <czajkowski> highvoltage: any progress
[18:06] <hexmode> no progress
[18:06] <czajkowski> ok maybe we need to try and share out some work to get it done?
[18:06] <czajkowski> hexmode: would it help to get some help ?
[18:07] <hexmode> (back)
[18:08] <hexmode> the only person here I know that could help would be dholbach and he has already done a lot
[18:08] <hexmode> mostly it is just me prioritizing
[18:08] <czajkowski> ok
[18:08] <hexmode> the work isn't that hard, I just have to make sure I leave myself time to do it :)
[18:09] <czajkowski> I know time management
[18:09] <hexmode> czajkowski: did you happen to get in touch with the sysadmin at wikimedia?
[18:09] <czajkowski> tis hard when we all have stuff going on
[18:09] <czajkowski> hexmode: it's a fdrafted mail to go out
[18:09] <czajkowski> So I've done up a doc for sample Questions https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1pgUq8PdJJvojyPRNGb6gDGf6QEgem-LNHRejOirTWt0&authkey=CL34h8oH&hl=en&pli=1#
[18:10] <czajkowski> be nice to get some input as to what folks would like to know from an interview
[18:10] <czajkowski> so please edit it as you feel
[18:10] <czajkowski> [link] https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1pgUq8PdJJvojyPRNGb6gDGf6QEgem-LNHRejOirTWt0&authkey=CL34h8oH&hl=en&pli=1#
[18:10] <hexmode> excellent... someone in the office was talking recently about the number of Macs and perhaps getting Ubuntu installed on them
[18:10] <hexmode> ( I don't know how serious they were... )
[18:10] <skellat> I've already added a question to the Google doc
[18:11] <czajkowski> skellat: which is ?
[18:11] <skellat> How exactly does the organization use ICT tools in regards to carrying out their functions.  Sometimes that is non-obvious depending upon the mission of the organization.
[18:12] <czajkowski> skellat: right so some of the questions will be more specific based on the group
[18:12] <czajkowski> but what would be nice is to get about 8 -10 standard questions and then one that follow on from them based on say their type of group
[18:12] <czajkowski> skellat: have you read some of the case studies we've done so far
[18:13] <skellat> czajkowski: I've been camping out at work too much and forgot to catch up prior to your e-mail this morning.
[18:13] <czajkowski> [link] http://ubuntungo.wordpress.com/
[18:13] <czajkowski> ok so I hope for this month that we can make some headway in the action items
[18:14] <czajkowski> anyone else have any comments on blueprints and action items?
[18:14] <hexmode> when is the next irc meeting?
[18:14] <hexmode> so I can set some goals?
[18:14] <czajkowski> hexmode: 3rd monday of the month
[18:14] <hexmode> ok....
[18:14] <skellat> Have we determined what the common set of applications is yet?
[18:14]  * hexmode notes it
[18:15] <czajkowski> skellat: what do you mean ?
[18:15] <skellat> czajkowski: "work on documenting set-up and install for common applications for NGOs: TODO"
[18:16] <hexmode> czajkowski: fwiw, I think WMF is using CiviCRM
[18:16] <czajkowski> that would be nigel and he's not here
[18:16] <czajkowski> so I cant update on that
[18:16] <skellat> czajkowski: Alrighty.  That'll have to wait.
[18:16] <czajkowski> ok
[18:16] <czajkowski> right so moving on
[18:16] <czajkowski> [topic] Future plans for the team
[18:16] <meetingology> TOPIC: Future plans for the team
[18:17] <czajkowski> SO I do wonder is there enough interest in this team, or is it just something that is in the backgroud that can just be worked on from time to time
[18:17] <czajkowski> I know we have case studies but sometimes it's hard to find them
[18:17] <skellat> czajkowski: Can the case studies be migrated to the wiki or another appropriate depository?
[18:17] <czajkowski> but I'd either like to find out what we could do better so we can come up with a action plan or what
[18:17] <czajkowski> skellat: some are on the wiki and the others as they are very long are on the blog
[18:18] <czajkowski> as the blog is on the planet
[18:18] <czajkowski> so read by more people
[18:18] <czajkowski> skellat: would you like to see the posts on the wiki as well do you think?
[18:19] <hexmode> czajkowski: for me right now this is a background task.  I want to help, but my time is limited.  Packaging on Debian is probably my best way to contribute.
[18:19] <skellat> czajowski: At this point, we need to collect them into preferably one source.  The wiki is one possibility.  Glomming them altogether into a word processing file and making it available as a monolithic set might be good too.
[18:19] <AlanBell> one thing I am working on starting up is the Ubuntu For All project which will support various teams https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll -ngo is not currently on the list, do you think it should be?
[18:19] <skellat> AlanBell: Yeah, we probably should be part of that too.
[18:19] <czajkowski> skellat: ok, so I've copied all the ones that are on the wiki to the blog
[18:20] <czajkowski> but would you think it'd be a good idea to have them all on the wiki as well in case folks are searching from there
[18:20] <czajkowski> hexmode: I know this cycle has been very odd for me
[18:21] <czajkowski> how about I'll  look into it and see if it's not too big a task
[18:22] <skellat> czajkowski: The big thing is to have them collected in one spot.  The wiki would be good.  Releasing the cases as a collection would help us show NGOs that we are taking coordinated action instead of one-off matters.
[18:22] <czajkowski> ok
[18:22] <czajkowski> [action] czajkowski to copy over intereviews that are not on wiki from blog to wiki
[18:22] <meetingology> ACTION: czajkowski to copy over intereviews that are not on wiki from blog to wiki
[18:22] <skellat> czajkowski: Posting the whole collection to archive.org wouldn't hurt either, I suppose.
[18:22] <czajkowski> [topic] Monthly Report
[18:22] <meetingology> TOPIC: Monthly Report
[18:23] <czajkowski> can I please have a volunteer to create the monthly report and mail the list asking for updates on it
[18:23] <czajkowski> that way it gets done but we can all add content to it
[18:23] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/TeamReports
[18:23]  * skellat Raises hand to volunteer
[18:23] <czajkowski> great
[18:23] <czajkowski> [action] skellat to update monthly report and mail team asking for any other comments on it
[18:23] <meetingology> ACTION: skellat to update monthly report and mail team asking for any other comments on it
[18:23] <czajkowski> skellat: thank you
[18:23] <czajkowski> [topic] AOB
[18:23] <meetingology> TOPIC: AOB
[18:24] <AlanBell> ah, this is the better place to raise the ubuntu for all topic really
[18:24] <czajkowski> thanks fo coming folks lets see if we can inject some caffine into the team
[18:24] <czajkowski> [topic] Add Ubuntu NGO to the Ubuntu For All project which will support various teams https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:24] <meetingology> TOPIC: Add Ubuntu NGO to the Ubuntu For All project which will support various teams https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:25] <skellat> AlanBell: Could you please summarize the nature of UbuntuForAll for the record?
[18:25] <AlanBell> what exactly it does is a little wooly at the moment, but it is a project to support various non-loco non-technical teams
[18:26] <AlanBell> making sure they are running smoothly, attending and monitoring meetings, helping with monthly reports etc
[18:26] <czajkowski> ok so sort of like a helper and somwerhe that lists non loco stuff
[18:26] <AlanBell> so if a team kind of drifts off then we would try and get it going again
[18:27] <AlanBell> yeah something like that
[18:27] <czajkowski> ok
[18:27] <czajkowski> I think it'd be good to have us listed there
[18:27] <skellat> Agreed
[18:27] <czajkowski> at least it's more visability
[18:28] <AlanBell> great, I will update it accordingly, and let you know more about it as it kicks off
[18:28] <czajkowski> [action] AlanBell to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll with NGO details
[18:28] <meetingology> ACTION: AlanBell to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll with NGO details
[18:28] <czajkowski> any other comments before I end the meeting
[18:28] <skellat> AlanBell: Could you send a post to our fairly sleepy mailing list too?
[18:28] <AlanBell> will do skellat
[18:28] <skellat> AlanBell: Thank you.
[18:29] <czajkowski> [action] AlanBell to mail mailing list re https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:29] <meetingology> ACTION: AlanBell to mail mailing list re https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:29] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[18:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 16 17:26:51 2010 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[18:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-ngo/2010/ubuntu-ngo.2010-08-16-17.01.html
[18:29] <meetingology> Minutes (text): http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-ngo/2010/ubuntu-ngo.2010-08-16-17.01.txt
[18:29] <meetingology> Log:            http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-ngo/2010/ubuntu-ngo.2010-08-16-17.01.log.html
[18:29] <czajkowski> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[18:29] <skellat> czajkowski: What?
[18:30] <czajkowski> the links above
[18:30] <czajkowski> :D
[18:30] <czajkowski> right I'll be back in a wee bit for the evening
[18:30] <AlanBell> yeah, don't believe them
[18:30] <czajkowski> I need to cook some food
[18:30] <czajkowski> thanks for coming
[18:30] <AlanBell> I will sort out the minutes somewhere czajkowski
[18:30] <skellat> czajkowski: You're welcome, ma'am.
[18:30] <AlanBell> that is my development bot, logs are actually on my desktop
[18:31] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/Meeting
[18:31] <skellat> AlanBell: Somehow I pulled up the minutes by clicking on the link, though...
[18:31] <skellat> AlanBell: Should that have been possible?
[18:31] <AlanBell> ah, ok, yes I did do that
[18:31] <AlanBell> you are reading them from my desktop all the same!
[18:32] <skellat> AlanBell: Excellent!
[18:32] <skellat> Have a good day, all.
[19:55] <highvoltage> czajkowski: eek, sorry I missed it, that will also have to be deferred for maverick+1 since we're already in feature freeze (I'll give more details later)


[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:40] <lotuspsychje_> tested riseupVPN snap, tip from arraybolt3
[10:40] <lotuspsychje_> pretty cool stuff
[11:00] <ogra> i wonder why it is classic though ...
[11:40] <oerheks> surprise !!!   https://askubuntu.com/questions/1424960/weird-login-message-20-04-4-lts-wants-to-upgrade-to-22-04-1-lts 🤣
[11:40] <oerheks> happy monday
[11:52] <oerheks> i answered this https://askubuntu.com/a/1424992/64683
[19:56] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue749 now available: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue749 :D
[21:12] <Guest30> Hi, I am wondering if the windows 10 privacy concerns are still a valid reason to swtich to linux? Are windows 10 privacy issues still a concern?
[21:15] <tomreyn> Guest30: most people here are probably more into Ubuntu than into Windows, but for all I know, the privacy issues of windows 10 have not drecreased, or only marginally, and windows 11 makes them worse.
[21:15] <sarnold> thousands of people don't seem to mind
[21:15] <tomreyn> that, too
[21:15] <Guest30> If I google news it, I don´t find anything and this has me baffled
[21:15] <jhutchins> Which is how it makes money for Microsoft & friends.
[21:16] <jhutchins> Guest30: That's because nobody's bothering to discuss it, it's a dead issue.
[21:16] <jhutchins> Guest30: Privacy is not the reeason people choose Linux over Windows.
[21:16] <sarnold> the gigantic company that makes vast amounts of money selling hyper-targetted advertising doesn't just automatically tell you about the other gigantic company that makes a tiny bit of money via moderately-targeted advertising? :)
[21:16] <oerheks> google is your main privacy concerm
[21:17] <jhutchins> That or thinking that anything you do on the Internet is "private".
[21:17] <oerheks> and it does not show search results, but '  how do i feel today' results
[21:18] <sarnold> and not even that many of them http://googlesearchonlyreturns400results.lol/
[21:19] <sarnold> anyway, you'll have to examine the privacy policies of the companies you choose to do business with and decide for yourself if you think you're getting good value for the trade or not
[21:19] <jhutchins> Guest30: Unlike Windows, Ubuntu is not a monolithic system developed by one controlling corporation, it's a collection of software from many sources.
[21:20] <jhutchins> Guest30: Some may "respect privacy" more than others.  Most are not likely to care.
[21:20] <jhutchins> (Some have adorable tin foil hats.)
[21:20] <oerheks> That is why there are no genuine statistics about number users, what programs they use, and so on
[21:21] <ogra> there surely are ... just not public and free ...
[21:26] <daftykins> surely you're not saying YOLD already arrived but it's being covered up? xD
[21:28] <Guest30> thanks for sharing your perspectives, very interesting. I am tired,  going to log off. Have a nice evening
[22:03] <arraybolt3> sarnold: LOL I just looked at that page you linked to and Google is only giving me 200 results for "vector" :-S
[22:05] <arraybolt3> Eh, but I can get it to give me more if I let it give me results similar to the ones already displayed.
[22:08] <arraybolt3> But then it stops at 400 again.  Just was surprising you found it so quickly after it was registered.
[22:44] <sarnold> ah :) yeah


[06:32] <dpm> morning all
[07:00] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning!
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning dholbach !
[07:11] <dholbach> ciao PaoloRotolo
[07:20] <PaoloRotolo> :)
[14:05] <coolbhavi> hello all! good evening!
[14:30] <highvoltage> hi mr bhav
[14:32] <dpm> hey coolbhavi!
[14:33] <coolbhavi> hey highvoltage dpm how are you doing?
[14:33] <highvoltage> I'm doing ok. just tired.
[14:33] <dpm> coolbhavi, busy with the replies from the spec on u-d
[14:34] <coolbhavi> highvoltage, hmm workload ah?
[14:34] <highvoltage> I replied to an ubuntu-devel post yesterday without properly reading the new app process spec properly and made an idiot of myself :)
[14:34]  * highvoltage needs to take more time to do things properly
[14:34]  * dpm hugs highvoltage
[14:35] <coolbhavi> dpm, just reading through it :)
[14:35] <highvoltage> coolbhavi: I'm doing ok at getting my new stuff down to a minimum, I'm just eager to catch up with all my backlog stuff
[14:35] <highvoltage> dpm: :)
[14:36] <coolbhavi> highvoltage, you arent alone :) I read through the spec in a hurry and posted a comment on the spec itself which seemed silly after the replies I got :)
[14:38] <coolbhavi> courtesy dpm :P
[14:40] <highvoltage> yeah I read it in a hurry too at like, 2am after I saw a note about it on irc from mhall119 :)
[14:41] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:01]  * mhall119 accepts the blame
[15:01] <coolbhavi> hey mhall119 :)
[15:02] <mhall119> hey coolbhavi
[15:03] <mhall119> coolbhavi: thanks for keeping the spreadsheet up to date, btw, I appreciate that
[15:03] <coolbhavi> mhall119, no mention :)
[15:08] <coolbhavi> hey PaoloRotolo
[15:08] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[15:08] <PaoloRotolo> Hi coolbhavi :)
[15:08] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:09] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: how are you :)?
[15:09] <coolbhavi> m doing good PaoloRotolo how about you?
[15:10] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: good too, thanks
[15:23] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: I think that the ARB bot is broken: this branch contains "teatime", not "Songbook": https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-app-review-contributors/ubuntu-app-reviews/songbook-client
[15:38] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach: Hi :) ↑
[15:39] <dholbach> PaoloRotolo, I think it hasn't been running for quite a while
[15:39] <dholbach> I wasn't sure if anybody was still using it
[15:53] <coolbhavi> dholbach, I was using it for downloading and publishing packages through
[15:53] <dholbach> ok
[15:57] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach: me too
[16:01] <dholbach> bzr seems to hang on songbook-client
[16:01] <dholbach> there's a lot of docs in it it seems
[16:05]  * PaoloRotolo is rebooting for test.
[16:09] <dholbach> so no luck with songbook client


[06:04] <Noskcaj> have the upgrade iso tests frozen? they are still on 20121228
[06:46] <Noskcaj> i have found a bug in alternate, it thinks broken hill has it's own timezone
[20:01] <Noskcaj> i am making a wiki page to list the oversized images and their status. any tips or objections?
[20:11] <stgraber> Noskcaj: are you aware that all the product managers already receive an automated daily e-mail about those?
[20:13] <Noskcaj> stgraber, no, but therefor the page is near pointless, i shall remove it
[20:15] <stgraber> Noskcaj: right. oversizedness is detected at a lot of different points, most of which send us e-mail already.
[20:15] <stgraber> Noskcaj: the build server notices at build time and flags the images on cdimage.ubuntu.com and on iso.qa.ubuntu.com (as a build comment), then Jenkins also has a test for it (which sends notifications to Canonical QA at least) and if none of that was noticed, we get the daily summary by e-mail :)
[20:17] <Noskcaj> stgraber, ok, thanks for the info
[20:18] <Noskcaj> phillw, on the topic of oversized images, has anything happened to the lubuntu-desktop-ppc while i was away
[21:53] <Noskcaj> can someone confirm bug 1087409
[23:35] <Noskcaj> anyone online? the kubuntu oem testcase needs updates
[23:35] <Noskcaj> plz respond


[23:00] <skynetguy> EriC^^, ok brb
[23:00] <EriC^^> skynetguy: or, don't press enable networking, type
[23:00] <EriC^^> wai
[23:00] <EriC^^> *wait
[23:00] <EriC^^> type mount -o remount,rw /
[23:00] <EriC^^> then passwd <your username>
[23:01] <EriC^^> and reset your password and login to the tty when you reboot
[23:01] <skynetguy> so dont enable networking
[23:01] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: hmm ok nevermind, i've gotta do something about food now so i'll have to leave you to it. assuming you've not done much with that install you could just give in and reinstall, up to you
[23:01] <EriC^^> skynetguy: no
[23:02] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: I've done lots D:
[23:02] <EriC^^> skynetguy: mount -o remount,rw /
[23:02] <skynetguy> EriC^^, after i type all that i type password first
[23:02] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: I'm crawling back to you. I'm in a live session now
[23:02] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: so now we can at least gather info more quickly
[23:02] <skynetguy> EriC^^, my login is my fullname
[23:02] <EriC^^> skynetguy: after mount, type passwd <your user>
[23:03] <skynetguy> EriC^^, ok
[23:03] <daftykins> Bashing-om - amazoniantoad - perhaps fsck time for fun :)
[23:03] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit <( sudo lsblk -f )"
[23:03] <skynetguy> EriC^^, so i reset my password and login to what
[23:03] <skynetguy> EriC^^, what is tty
[23:04] <EriC^^> skynetguy: the black screen with login that you're getting when you boot the pc
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627881/
[23:04] <EriC^^> skynetguy: you said it keeps sending you to login tty1
[23:04] <skynetguy> EriC^^, yeah
[23:04] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: so your installed system uses an encrypted root?
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: yes
[23:04] <skynetguy> EriC^^, so what do i set my login to???
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Want me to mount it?
[23:05] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK. Glad we know! "sudo mkdir /target"
[23:05] <skynetguy> EriC^^, and password
[23:05] <daftykins> ugh encryption :P
[23:05] <EriC^^> skynetguy: your login is your username ..
[23:05] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: okay
[23:05] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 crypt_sda5"
[23:05] <skynetguy> EriC^^, yeah
[23:05] <EriC^^> skynetguy: when you open a terminal what did you used to get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:05] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: mounted
[23:06] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "sudo mount /dev/mapper/crypt_sda5 /target"
[23:06] <skynetguy> EriC^^, you mean how did i get into here now
[23:06] <amazoniantoad> Or...not mounted
[23:06] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit /mnt/target/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:06] <EriC^^> skynetguy: no i mean when you used to login to your desktop
[23:06] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i am on 32bit pae
[23:06] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: typo!  "pastebinit /target/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:07] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i was always on automatic login
[23:07] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, and you never opened a terminal?
[23:07] <skynetguy> EriC^^, no
[23:07] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: unkown filesystem LVM2_member then from your second command unable to read from target
[23:07] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: A WIFI issue I am at a loss .
[23:08] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, type cat /etc/passwd after the mount command and you should see your username there at the last couple names
[23:08] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: ahhh ok. "sudo vgchange -ay" then "ls /dev/mapper/" and check the volume group and LVs are listed
[23:08] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: it's okay. TJ- is swooping in.
[23:08] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Thanks though
[23:08] <EriC^^> skynetguy: it most likely has an :x:1000 after it and your home dir will be listed at the end
[23:09] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: if you see the VG/LVs show us "pastebinit <( sudo  lsblk -f )"
[23:09] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/12627897/
[23:10] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "sudo mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /target"
[23:10] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit /target/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:10] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  ok so i enter advanced recovery ...then i type mount -o remount , rw /....then i type cat /etc/passwd
[23:11] <amazoniantoad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627899
[23:11] <EriC^^> skynetguy: yeah, no spaces though
[23:11] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627899
[23:12] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: strange; I see no errors there. "pastebinit <( ls -latr /target/var/log/ )"
[23:12] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  then what
[23:13] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627906/
[23:13] <EriC^^> skynetguy: you change the password with password <whatever you got from cat /etc/passwd>
[23:13] <EriC^^> *passwd <whatever you got.. >
[23:13] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: lets check "pastebinit /target/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old"
[23:13] <skynetguy> EriC^^, whats the whole of doing this ....if my kernel and graphic update failed
[23:14] <skynetguy> EriC^^, point
[23:14] <EriC^^> skynetguy: after you can login to the tty1, use irssi to get on irc to get help
[23:14] <EriC^^> skynetguy: to fix it, duh
[23:14] <skynetguy> EriC^^, okkkk
[23:14] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  what will cat /etc/passwd show me
[23:15] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  my current password
[23:15] <EriC^^> skynetguy: scroll up
[23:15] <amazoniantoad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627915/
[23:15] <EriC^^> no, your username
[23:16] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK, no issues there either. The system has a single Intel GPU so no nvidia-prime Optimus issues
[23:16] <skynetguy> EriC^^, bear with me i dont know much about root commands
[23:16] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i just know basic stuff
[23:17] <EriC^^> np
[23:17] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: before the network issue stopped you working from the installed system, what was the actual problem you were trying to fix? :)
[23:17] <EriC^^> skynetguy: have you ever used irssi before?
[23:17] <skynetguy> EriC^^, no whats that
[23:17] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: No problem.
[23:18] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: I just held down the power button
[23:18] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: errr... so why are we doing this?!
[23:18] <EriC^^> skynetguy: it's an irc client for the terminal
[23:18] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  will eventually login into desktop or will all this be from command line
[23:18] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Because after I did as daftykins instructed and ran an upgrade. I rebooted my computer, now I can't log in
[23:18] <skynetguy> EriC^^, ok i just updated to newer pae kernel
[23:18] <EriC^^> skynetguy: you need to login to tty1 first, and then use irssi to get on here to troubleshoot the problem
[23:19] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: so we do have a problem - not being able to log-in
[23:19] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, try booting an older kernel then
[23:19] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: the computer screen goes black with random squares of the background smeared across it. Some kind of error message containing a red symbol pops up and it throws me back into the login window before I can read it
[23:19] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: if I recall correctly if affected the Guest login, too
[23:19] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i this is older kernel
[23:19] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Yes but that wasn't an issue before the network problem.
[23:19] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: yes
[23:19] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i will try newer one that i just installed
[23:19] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: sounds rather like some symptoms of corruption
[23:20] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit /target/var/log/kern.log"
[23:20] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: That sounds like as bad as it gets
[23:20] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok
[23:20] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627936
[23:21] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: hard power offs (holding power button for 4 seconds +) can cause data on disk to be corrupted if it snatches power as the disk/storage device is writing
[23:21] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: I thought there were fail safes against that though...
[23:21] <amazoniantoad> I guess it isn't fullproof
[23:22] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: ouch "[   20.728958] compiz[2634]: segfault at b0 ip 00007f0179621a0f sp 00007fffa87732b0 error 4 in libnux-graphics-4.0.so.0.6.0[7f01795d5000+cb000]"
[23:24] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK, let's get a 'chroot' set up so you reinstall some suspect files
[23:24] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: okay
[23:25] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: How do we do that?
[23:25] <wakeatnight> how do I choose a wineprefix? which one is getting called as "default"?
[23:25] <teward> wakeatnight: the default will be /home/$USER/.wine
[23:26] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "export T="/target"; for FS in proc sys dev dev/pts; do sudo mount --bind /${FS} ${T}/${FS}; done; sudo chroot ${T} mount -a; sudo chroot ${T}"
[23:26] <teward> wakeatnight: you have to set in your ~/.profile the WINEPREFIX variable to make it point to a different location by default
[23:26] <teward> otherwise it'll default to ~/.wine
[23:26] <fxmulder_m> I remember a long time ago I was able to upgrade the version of a package by downloading its source and using some command to update it using the new tar.gz source from the maintainer, anyone know what that command might be?
[23:26] <wakeatnight> ah so running WINEPREFIX=/myprefix wine setup.exe is changing it for one time use?
[23:27] <teward> wakeatnight: correct
[23:27] <wakeatnight> because I didn't export it? otherwise it would be for this session?
[23:27] <wakeatnight> and if I want it permanently I set it like a PATH in .bash_profile?
[23:27] <teward> wakeatnight: no, you *must* edit ~/.profile and put the export for the variable in there to make it apply to your entire user
[23:27] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: This is going over my head, "for FS in proc sys dev dev/pts;
[23:27] <amazoniantoad> "
[23:28] <teward> wakeatnight: you could potentially put it in .bash_profile but IDK if that works
[23:28] <amazoniantoad> Do I put that in terminal or??
[23:28] <wakeatnight> ah ok  thanks teward i'll try
[23:29] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: can you copy/paste the line ?
[23:29] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: The entire thing at once into terminal?
[23:29] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: yes, the entire command between the quote marks " ...  "
[23:29] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I always but the exact commands to issue inside double quotes to make it clear
[23:29] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Ah I thought these were seperate
[23:29] <amazoniantoad> ok
[23:30] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: what we're doing is mounting the kernel file-systems from the live env into the root file-system of the broken system. Then we use 'chroot' to enter the broken system and it looks just like the booted system would until we type 'exit' to return to the host live env
[23:31] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: that allows us to run the commands belonging to the broken system including package updates
[23:31] <amazoniantoad> TJ-:  chroot: failed to run command 'mount': Exec format error && chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': Exec format error
[23:31] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: that's incredible
[23:32] <fxmulder_m> or anything that might help my search
[23:32] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: grrr. "pastebinit <( uname -r; arch; sudo chroot /target arch )"
[23:33] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: chroot: failed to run command 'arch' && http://paste.ubuntu.com/12628006/
[23:33] <TJ-> fxmulder_m: source packages sometimes have a debian/watches file that specifies the upstream source repo, and a target in debian/rules to fetch from that
[23:34] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I've a horrible feeling the broken system is 64-bit; your live env is 32-bit. Can't run a 64-bit in a 32-bit
[23:34] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: oh crapscicle...I completely forgot this usb is 32 bit
[23:35] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: the system is 64bit
[23:35] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit <( find /target/lib/ -maxdepth 1 -type d )"
[23:35] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: back to square one :)
[23:35] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: ignore that last pastebinit you answered the question
[23:35] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: well let me download the 64bit iso
[23:35] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: sorry for wasting your time so far
[23:36] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: It happens. I think we might be better off rebooting the broken system and trying to bring the network up
[23:36] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: whatever you want me to do.
[23:36] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: it's worth 10 minutes trying to, before going to another live env
[23:36] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: k
[23:36] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: here's what to do...
[23:37] <fxmulder_m> so when a maintainer wants to update a package with a new version of the source contained in a .tar.gz what do they normally do?
[23:37] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: ... hold down shift at boot-time to get the GRUB boot manager menu,
[23:37] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: already there
[23:37] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: highlight the top "Ubuntu" entry, press 'E' to edit it, navigate to the 'linux ...' line remove "quiet splash" replace with "text", press Ctrl+X
[23:38] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: alright. unlocked the disk and logging in now
[23:39] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I'll go get a coffee :)
[23:39] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: haha all right
[23:39] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: when you're logged in, try "nmcli con" then getting a connection up as before with "nmcli con up id "XXXXXX"  "
[23:41] <fxmulder_m> uupdate was what I was looking for
[23:42] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I'm back
[23:43] <oddRaven> does anyone here actually multi-boot different distros?
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: do you mean the UUID or the name?
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> I have tried my UUID's and it says they are unkown connections
[23:43] <fxmulder_m> so it looks like if you download the 14.04.3 iso and install it, the 3.19 kernel is installed, but upgrading my older 14.04 machine using dist-upgrade keeps the kernel version at 3.13?
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> oddRaven: Why in the world would you want to do that?
[23:44] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: the name. if you want to use UUID you'd use "nmcli con up uuid "xxxxx"  "
[23:44] <TJ-> oddRaven: yes
[23:44] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: haha entering the UUID was making me cross-eyed
[23:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad:  'id' is under the NAME column :)
[23:45] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: my wifi names have spaces in them...I used quotes to surround them and I just get that no suitable device found
[23:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: that is probably because the network device has failed.
[23:45] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: ethernet then?
[23:45] <oddRaven> amazoniantoad, I was thinking of running one OS for working and general usage, and use a minimal Debian or Gentoo OS if I need to do a lot of calculations, such as password cracking
[23:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: try "iwconfig" does it report any Wifi capable interface names?
[23:46] <TJ-> oddRaven: why can't that be done from the same installation?
[23:46] <amazoniantoad> oddRaven: Oh...
[23:46] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: eth0 and lo say no wireless extensions
[23:46] <oddRaven> I don't know, more performance?
[23:47] <amazoniantoad> oddRaven: If you are so worried about that you might want to look at virtual machines for aggregation
[23:47] <TJ-> oddRaven: I can't think of any difference there'd be. You can start without a GUI if that is what you are concerned about
[23:47] <oddRaven> why do you multiboot, TJ- ?
[23:47] <TJ-> oddRaven: testing
[23:47] <oddRaven> then why aren't you using VMs?
[23:48] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK, so there was no wlan* device
[23:48] <TJ-> oddRaven: you can't test against bare hardware in a VM
[23:48] <wakeatnight> i am on a 64bit machine 15.04 running fglrx. a game is complaining that i don't have 32bit opengl installed. how is that so and how do i fix that? thank you.
[23:49] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: wait one whilst I read the old kern.log you pastebinned so I can know what wifi device you have
[23:49] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: okay
[23:50] <space> hey
[23:52] <space> quit
[23:52] <space> export: 1
[23:52] <space> clear
[23:52] <space> back
[23:54] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: not good; in the latest kernel boot logged there is *no* wifi device chipset recognised at all.
[23:54] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I wish we'd done an 'lspci -nn' whilst in the live env now
[23:54] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Well...I can still boot back into it
[23:55] <daftykins> it was the intel 6250
[23:55] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: can you do "lspci -nn" and see if you can see a wifi network device, and if so, tell me the values in the [ ...: ...] brackets at the end of the line
[23:56] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: k hold on
[23:56] <TJ-> daftykins: thanks. I see lots of 8086:XXXX devices in the kern.log but so far none of the product IDs I have checked are network
[23:56] <daftykins> hmm
[23:58] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK, I found it: v00008086d0000088E
[23:58] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: i was about to give you the pastebin link
[23:58] <amazoniantoad> lol
[23:58] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: that is 8086:088E
[23:59] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I had to do this to find it: "egrep -ni '8086.*(0154|0166|1e31|1e3a|1e2d|1e20|1e10|1e12|1e16|1e26|1e59|1e03|088e)' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/*"
[23:59] <amazoniantoad> ew
[23:59] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: one second. someone is at my door


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