[00:18] <nhandler> imbrandon: I think I have a google notebook of some sort (both paper and cr48) sitting around from last year's GSoC. You planning on coming by Chicago any time soon?
[01:16] <imbrandon> nhandler: actually
[01:17] <imbrandon> i'm not too far from chi and make it that way about once every 6ish months ( have family just outside of STL on the IL side )
[01:17] <imbrandon> at first i was like damn :( but then you said chi and not CA :)
[01:19] <imbrandon> or I'd be more than happy to foot a ups/fedex package prepaid as well ( would be the same in extra gas heh ) , just drop me a line sometime at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if i'm afk :)
[01:20] <mhall119> imbrandon: the countdown looks fantastic!
[01:21] <mhall119> imbrandon: I have only one request, can you make the main title at the top point to http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/ ?
[01:21] <imbrandon> mhall119: thanks and sure thing
[01:21] <mhall119> thanks man
[01:22] <imbrandon> thats one nice thing about hosted is anyone useing it will get that update too
[01:22] <imbrandon> right now the non-js image is manual but before tomarrow afternnon i'll have it on like 10 min cronjobs from wkhtmltoimg screenshots
[01:23] <imbrandon> ( man i love that cli app )
[01:23] <imbrandon> so even without js it will be semi active
[01:23] <imbrandon> :)
[01:23] <imbrandon> and work on planet ubuntu :)
[01:23] <imbrandon> also one without the wording in the middle is on its way up here in a moment
[01:24] <imbrandon> just the ticker and title
[01:24] <imbrandon> and then soonish a purple one if i can find colors i like
[01:24] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:30] <bkerensa> .
[01:38] <imbrandon> mhall119: link is live on the header, and I also added a query string of ?from=widget
[01:38] <imbrandon> just ince case you want/can track it from like google analytics
[01:38] <imbrandon> or such
[01:39] <imbrandon> i'll make that a real feature and more robust in the next itteration or two of them but its easy manually for now :)
[01:39] <imbrandon> about to shortlink all the JS urls as well so the copy and past is smaller using http://git.io shortner
[01:39] <imbrandon> unless ubuntu/canonical has one ?
[01:57] <cjohnston> imbrandon: is https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/faq.html your theam?
[01:57] <cjohnston> theme
[01:58] <imbrandon> umm lemme see
[01:58] <imbrandon> one sec
[01:58] <imbrandon> does it match jujucharms.com/docs
[01:58] <imbrandon> yet ?
[01:58] <imbrandon> e.g it should be my theme but the server is broken and rthere is an rt ticken in to fix it
[01:59] <cjohnston> i dont think so.. the sub-nav is bad
[01:59] <cjohnston> gotcha
[01:59] <imbrandon> yea
[01:59] <imbrandon> thats half my thme
[01:59] <imbrandon> theme
[01:59] <imbrandon> its not building right , right now
[01:59] <cjohnston> ic
[01:59] <imbrandon> but http://www.jujucharms.com/docs is, and it builds from the same source etc, just lives on another server so works
[02:00] <imbrandon> and that one is up to date and yes my theme
[02:00] <cjohnston> gotcha
[02:00] <imbrandon> ( still got more to do but its acceptable ) hehe
[02:00] <imbrandon> and if you pull the docs branch and build local it will be whats on charms.com
[02:00] <imbrandon> fyi
[02:01] <imbrandon> anyhow, just curious or need something ?
[02:01] <cjohnston> just cause it was broken, I wasnt sure
[02:02] <imbrandon> ( yea the secondary nave and front page are side effects of the broken build not competing , clint put an rt ticket in for me like 3 days ago
[02:02] <cjohnston> jcastro: juju.ubuntu.com seems to have issues on a couple pages, Testing and CodeandBugs
[02:02] <imbrandon> we'll seee when it get fixed or is i just redirect the wiki toj ujucharms.com heh
[02:03] <imbrandon> cjohnston: give me a list in PM i've been toiching those up as i find em too
[02:03] <imbrandon> or email
[02:03] <imbrandon> and i'll get em if no one else does first
[02:03] <imbrandon> next time i;m on it
[03:17] <jono> mhall119, around?
[03:48] <imbrandon> looks like he caved early :)
[03:49] <cjohnston> it is almost midnight
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <czajkowski> morning
[10:59] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:53] <dholbach> mhall119, hey
[12:53] <dholbach> would you have some time for a call in a bit?
[13:32] <mhall119> dholbach: sure, give me a few minutes
[13:33] <dholbach> sure sure
[13:38] <mhall119> dholbach: invite sent
[14:34] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[14:34] <paultag> mhall119: pong
[14:34] <mhall119> paultag: is it possible to add custom checks to lintian without patching lintian itself?
[14:34] <paultag> mhall119: yep
[14:35] <paultag> well
[14:35] <paultag> kinda, but mostly yep
[14:35] <paultag> what's up
[14:35] <mhall119> where might I find info on doing that?
[14:35] <paultag> that's a bit more of a task :)
[14:35] <paultag> mhall119: to neckbeard questions
[14:35] <mhall119> paultag: we have some special requirements for packages going into extras.ubuntu.com that I want to automate checks for
[14:35] <paultag> mhall119: 1) what is it you're trying to do, and 2) can it get into lintian it's self
[14:35] <paultag> ahhh, I see.
[14:35] <paultag> mhall119: yep, no problem!
[14:36] <mhall119> so, it's really specific only to Ubuntu, and even then only to a subset of Ubuntu packages
[14:36] <paultag> mhall119: well, ubuntu stuff is upstream too
[14:36] <mhall119> even something this specific?
[14:37] <paultag> yeah, because there are lintian profiles -- e.g. the changelog check is disabled for ubuntu
[14:37] <paultag> but what is it doing?
[14:37] <paultag> mhall119: but anyway, you have two options
[14:37] <mhall119> I don't know everything, but the big requirement is that it installs (almost) everything into /opt/
[14:37] <paultag> Ahhhh, yeah, ok, cool
[14:37] <paultag> mhall119: so you have two options
[14:37] <paultag> mhall119: first is two create lintian4extras, which sets LINTIAN_ROOT and runs lintian
[14:38] <paultag> mhall119: the second is to make a package that drops some new tests into /usr/share/lintian
[14:38] <paultag> I believe it's that easy
[14:38] <paultag> but I've never tried
[14:38] <paultag> mhall119: you could email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:38] <mhall119> thanks, I'll look into the /usr/share/lintian/ scripts
[14:40] <mhall119> thanks man
[14:40] <mhall119> you're my token Debian guy now :)
[14:40] <paultag> :)
[14:40] <paultag> I'm happy to better Ubuntu / Debian relations :)
[14:40] <mhall119> though cjohnston might become that from what I hear
[14:41] <cjohnston> nah
[14:41] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:41] <paultag> he's been doing some work in the DPMT
[14:41] <paultag> I'm happy to see it :)
[14:41] <mhall119> me too
[14:42] <mhall119> that means I can trade summit work for debian work
[14:42] <paultag> I've sponsored two ubuntu developers in the last 3 days :)
[14:42] <paultag> I'd be fine with helping you too
[14:42] <paultag> if you needed it, of course
[14:42] <mhall119> I know, but you do it out of kindness
[14:43] <paultag> true, I'm just so selfless
[14:43] <paultag> charity will be my downfall
[14:43] <paultag> I'm just too generous
[14:43] <mhall119> charity signs your paycheck doesn't it?
[14:44] <paultag> actually true
[14:46] <paultag> blah, actual code I just wrote - print "%s: %s" % ( thing, row[guy][thing] )
[14:57] <jono_> dholbach, jcastro, mhall119, balloons invite sent for our hangout
[14:59]  * balloons goes to look
[14:59] <balloons> "There was an error contacting the server. Please try again."
[15:03] <jono_> mhall119, all set?
[15:03] <mhall119> joining now
[16:21] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! :)
[16:36] <cjohnston> I/O keynote broadcasting live for anyone interested
[16:36] <balloons> cjohnston, does empathy work for you in quantal?
[16:36] <cjohnston> dunno
[16:37] <cjohnston> I don't normally use it
[18:45] <balloons> cjohnston, so what did you think of i/o keynote?
[18:46] <cjohnston> balloons: I'm not done with it unfortunatly.. Mark has his work cutout for him tho at the UDS keynote. Maybe he will jump out of the plane
[18:46] <balloons> lol
[18:46] <balloons> notice sergi didn't jump
[18:46] <cjohnston> lol
[18:46] <balloons> he really has trouble speaking in public
[18:46] <cjohnston> then you can jump.. I mean.. you will float right?
[18:47] <balloons> heck yea
[18:47] <balloons> controlled movements
[18:48] <paultag> it was a nuts showing
[18:48] <paultag> it's crazy they jumped from a hang out, biked, repeled down a building, almost hit some people biking in and jumped onstage with little jerk in the video stream
[18:52]  * balloons will be getting a nexus 7 ( I think )
[18:53] <paultag> meh
[18:53] <paultag> I want one of those orbs
[18:53] <paultag> I might make one out of my raspberry pi
[19:49] <balloons> AlanBell, can you retest your screen reader install on the new iso?
[19:49] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1016969
[19:49] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1016969 in ubiquity "daily live cd boots silent in virtualbox" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:49] <balloons> I'm having no sound issues as well, but not in the same way you are
[19:50] <AlanBell> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[19:50] <AlanBell> will do it shortly
[19:51] <balloons> AlanBell, excellent, thank you
[20:00] <mhall119> balloons: is that "(no sound) issues" or "no (sound issues)"?
[20:01] <balloons> mhall119, tricky tricky
[20:01] <mhall119> English is just too imprecise
[20:01] <balloons> The issue am am experiencing is the lack of sound present during the installation whereby I may utilize accessibility options such as a screen reader
[20:01] <balloons> s/am/I/
[20:19]  * AlanBell relaxes from the drama on G+ by testing quantal
[20:21] <czajkowski> lol
[20:21] <czajkowski> poor AlanBell
[20:21] <czajkowski> trying to do something nice and getting chewed
[20:23] <AlanBell> balloons: I get no sound still
[20:23] <AlanBell> and I can't get any as the devices that did work are not there any more
[20:24] <AlanBell> then again, maybe they are
[20:24] <mhall119> what'd poor AlanBell do?
[20:24] <cjohnston> invited all of google plus to a bbq
[20:24] <AlanBell> balloons: on the ubiquity screen if you go to the sound indicator and sound settings there is a connector dropdown, if you select an LFE option you should have sound
[20:25] <balloons> AlanBell, right.. I've got no LFE option
[20:25] <balloons> but does it work for you assuming you select it?
[20:25] <mhall119> everybody on the internet is going to AlanBell's house for free food?
[20:25] <AlanBell> balloons: yeah, works for me, the connector is below the balance slider
[20:25] <AlanBell> mhall119: yup, the whole internet
[20:26] <AlanBell> actually waiting for replies from 364 people still, but the rest of the internet is coming
[20:26] <balloons> FUNNY! https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/Lwz4yjasX6d
[20:27] <AlanBell> balloons: yeah, I think I invited him too
[20:28] <czajkowski> AlanBell: being polite
[20:28] <czajkowski> meh think some people just over react
[20:28] <czajkowski> :s
[20:28] <balloons> AlanBell, so yes.. on the sound thing, I can't seem to get sound at all in my vm. So I'm assuming it's a just me thing
[20:28] <balloons> but it stops me from being able to test orca :-(
[20:28] <AlanBell> balloons: what version of virtualbox?>
[20:28] <balloons> 4.1.18
[20:29] <AlanBell> I am using 4.1.18 too
[20:29] <AlanBell> how are we seeing different things?
[20:29] <balloons> hw is not the same
[20:29] <balloons> :-)
[20:30] <AlanBell> but it is!
[20:30] <balloons> not sure.. the other thing is how you setup the audio passthru
[20:30] <balloons> using pulse, oss, or alsa
[20:30] <balloons> and passing thru which audio chipset
[20:30] <balloons> so many options
[20:30] <balloons> using kvm or not
[20:31]  * balloons not liking events at all. Then I discovered I can add a G+ hangout
[20:31] <balloons> finally we can schedule g+ hangouts again
[20:32] <daker-cloud> hi
[20:35] <mhall119> AlanBell: if it makes you feel any better, I'd come if I could
[20:37] <cjohnston> I offered to go
[20:37] <AlanBell> mhall119: well I would have invited you even if it wasn't an accident :)
[20:38] <czajkowski> mhall119: does amazing fall off the bone bbq meat
[20:38] <czajkowski> mhall119: hows the beast
[20:39] <paultag> AlanBell: just got your invite, thanks for that :)
[20:39] <paultag> AlanBell: it's a bit of a swim at the moment, but thank you :)
[20:39] <nhandler> Same here
[20:39] <AlanBell> :)
[20:39] <nhandler> But the trampoline sounds fun
[20:40] <paultag> mmmm!
[20:40] <AlanBell> so extended circles is people who follow people who follow you, right?
[20:40] <akgraner> balloons, does it work with "on Air" as well
[20:40] <balloons> akgraner, hmm
[20:40] <AlanBell> and Amanda Blain follows me and she has over a million followers
[20:41] <mhall119> czajkowski: I assume you're referring to Blake
[20:41] <balloons> akgraner, yep!
[20:41] <AlanBell> she is like even more popular than akgraner
[20:41] <mhall119> in which case he's as lazy and noisy as ever
[20:41] <balloons> akgraner, so cool.. hit event options, advanced :-)
[20:41] <AlanBell> oh hi Amber, how are things?
[20:41] <akgraner> looks my IT person has to enable that feature
[20:41] <akgraner> balloons, I don't have an even option - which is the same thing Pete just told me
[20:42] <akgraner> grrrr
[20:42] <akgraner> AlanBell, great and you?
[20:42] <balloons> surely you can't be poking pgraner again?
[20:42]  * paultag holks back a joke
[20:42] <akgraner> balloons, ALWAYS!!!
[20:42] <paultag> s/holks/holds/g
[20:42] <mhall119> akgraner: it was there until AlanBell invited everybody on G+ to his BBQ
[20:42] <greg-g> paultag: is that kind of like a hulk joke?
[20:42] <paultag> greg-g: 16:42 < balloons> surely you can't be poking pgraner again?
[20:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: yes who else!
[20:43] <AlanBell> #blameAlanBell
[20:43] <mhall119> czajkowski: well given that Quinn just got himself into trouble again....
[20:43] <greg-g> paultag: ?????
[20:43] <paultag> greg-g: srsly?! you can't think of one joke?
[20:43] <mhall119> paultag: family-friendly channel
[20:43] <greg-g> :)
[20:44] <paultag> mhall119: 16:42  * paultag holks back a joke
[20:44] <czajkowski> mhall119: be nice you
[20:44] <paultag> holds * :)
[20:44]  * AlanBell tickles everyone until they behave
[20:44] <mhall119> heh
[20:45] <mhall119> oh RTD, why can't you be simpler?
[20:47] <akgraner> Now I have the event option
[20:47] <akgraner> sweet
[20:47] <AlanBell> careful!
[20:50]  * balloons watches akgraner fill her schedule with non-stop on-air interviews
[20:55] <akgraner> balloons, yep
[20:55] <akgraner> :-)
[20:56] <mhall119> akgraner: you're going to end up making your own big-brother like reality show
[20:56] <akgraner> mhall119,  :-)
[20:56] <akgraner> I keep trying to get Pete to do a joint interview about Being involved in Open Source with me
[20:57]  * mhall119 trademarks "Keeping up with the Graners"
[20:57] <akgraner> it would not be family friendly I don't think and lots of bleeps I think
[20:57] <balloons> mhall119, hehe
[20:57] <mhall119> akgraner: with Pete?  never
[20:57] <akgraner> mhall119, it would be funny though
[20:58] <mhall119> heck yeah it would
[20:58] <mhall119> I bet we could talk your kids into just following you around with a video camera
[20:59] <akgraner> mhall119, they do sometimes
[20:59] <cjohnston> I bet they already do
[20:59] <akgraner> it would be funny if they weren't my kids
[20:59] <mhall119> forget year of the linux desktop
[20:59] <mhall119> this'll be the "Year or the Linux Sitcom"
[20:59] <akgraner> hahaha
[21:00] <akgraner> they ratted me out the other day - b/c the first time I ever say an ARM board like 6 years or so ago I asked who cut up a motherboard and made a paper weight out of it
[21:00] <mhall119> seriously though, the ad revenue would probably be pretty good
[21:00] <cjohnston> lol
[21:01] <akgraner> I'll tell you what  - if you can get Pete to agree  - I'll film a day in our life and post it unedited
[21:01] <mhall119> I'm not sure the Internet is ready for that
[21:02] <akgraner> see you're scared too
[21:02] <akgraner> :-P
[21:02] <akgraner> yeah Pete scares me too - so I understand :-)
[21:02] <akgraner> j/k
[21:02] <mhall119> who said it was because of Pete?
[21:03] <akgraner> haha
[21:04] <akgraner> I <3 all y'all!  I am counting the days until UDS
[21:04] <akgraner> Oh 7th Edition of the Official Ubuntu Book is now available for Pre-order comes out July 9th
[21:05] <akgraner> And I interviewed Pete for issue 13 of Ubuntu User Magazine which is available now :-)
[21:06] <jono> mhall119, have you written tests in Quickly
[21:09] <mhall119> jono: no, but I've written pyunit tests for Django before
[21:10] <jono> mhall119, let me pastebin something
[21:10] <cjohnston> No, but i stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.
[21:10] <balloons> cjohnston, bah.. I'm staying at a holiday inn express tonight!
[21:11] <mhall119> balloons: traveling?
[21:11] <mhall119> or was that another joke
[21:11] <jono> mhall119, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1063255/
[21:12] <jono> mhall119, the test file is at the bottom
[21:12] <jono> when I run quickly test I get:
[21:12] <jono> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'my_function'
[21:12] <jono> I am sure I am making a newbie error here
[21:12] <balloons> mhall119, both :-)
[21:12] <mhall119> jono: you'll have to do:
[21:13] <balloons> mhall119, cjohnston I'm actually coming to Orlando Friday
[21:13] <mhall119> window = FoobarWindow()
[21:13] <cjohnston> cool.. when where
[21:13] <mhall119> res = window.my_function(20)
[21:13] <balloons> cjohnston, not sure exactly, my wife has some surprise for me
[21:13] <cjohnston> uh oh
[21:14] <mhall119> jono: let's hack in here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/g1Y0nJW8E7
[21:14] <jono> mhall119, cheers
[21:16] <jono> mhall119, ok, so when I add that now I get:
[21:16] <jono> (nosetests:16347): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'net.launchpad.foobar' is not installed
[21:17] <czajkowski> simon has the right plan https://plus.google.com/104284466618076664967/posts/EWCQq3CCFaK
[21:17] <mhall119> net.launchpad? where's that coming from?
[21:18] <jono> mhall119, no idea
[21:18] <jono> this is a new test Quickly project
[21:18] <AlanBell> mhall119: java stuff puts domains backwards
[21:18] <AlanBell> and other stuff, it is foobar.launchpad.net
[21:18] <mhall119> AlanBell: java isn't involved here either
[21:19] <AlanBell> yeah, I see that now
[21:19] <jono> mhall119, it looks like it is in foobar_lib/Window.py:
[21:19] <mhall119> jono: and you're running this with "quickly test"?
[21:19] <jono> mhall119, I commented it out
[21:20] <jono> yay! it runs now :-)
[21:20] <mhall119> hmmm, interesting tht Quickly does that
[21:20] <mhall119> should probably be changed to something not launchpad related
[21:20] <jono> yup
[21:20] <jono> it is a GSettings thing
[21:21] <mhall119> I wonder why it doesn't give an error in "quickly run", but does on "quickly test"...
[21:22] <ajmitch> AlanBell: you're sorting flights to your place for the bbq? :)
[21:23] <AlanBell> yup, by hot air balloon
[21:23] <ajmitch> excellent, I'd better leave soon for it then
[21:52] <czajkowski> jono: curse you mines is addictive
[21:52] <jono> czajkowski, :-)
[21:54] <jono> AlanBell, hey
[21:54] <jono> any chance we can get a meeting bot in #ubuntu-accomplishments ?
[22:10] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you getting any 404s on the gb mirror on updates?
[22:11] <AlanBell> no czajkowski, it is fine for me
[22:11] <czajkowski> hmmm
[22:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/lenses-testing/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[22:12] <czajkowski> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/lenses-testing/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[22:12] <czajkowski> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/lenses-testing/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[22:13] <czajkowski> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[22:13] <czajkowski> bah
[22:13] <AlanBell> czajkowski: that is a ppa
[22:13] <czajkowski> aye
[22:13] <AlanBell> and a precise one on quantal
[22:13] <czajkowski> not what I meant to copy
[22:13] <AlanBell> probably
[22:13] <czajkowski> I also have this red triangle as well
[22:13] <czajkowski> which is new
[22:26] <Daviey> AlanBell: did you invite the world to your house?
[22:27] <cjohnston> hehehe
[22:27] <Daviey> AlanBell: I can see you getting 10000's turning up
[22:28] <AlanBell> I seem to have invited about 400 people,
[22:33] <Daviey> AlanBell: Jorge Castro, James Westby, Steve Langasek and 380 more are invited ... I assume they are all +Guests?
[22:33] <AlanBell> sure, why not!
[22:33] <Daviey> AlanBell: I'm going to forward the invite to a local radio station for good measure.
[22:35] <cjohnston>  Maybe we can just have UDS at AlanBell's house so we can all get sponsored
[22:35] <Pendulum> Daviey: only a local one?
[22:35] <AlanBell> UDS at my house would be rather convenient
[22:38]  * AlanBell works out how to do breakfast for 500
[22:40] <Daviey> bagsy the sofa
[22:41] <Daviey> cjohnston: you can have the bathtub
[22:41] <AlanBell> I think a few people might be in with the chickens
[22:41] <Daviey> Pendulum: you are stuck with the chickens
[22:42] <AlanBell> aww, I couldn't stick Pendulum in with the chickens!
[22:42] <Pendulum> wouldn't it be better to put the Kubuntu folks in with the chickens since the chickens are already familiar with kubuntu?
[22:42] <AlanBell> she can go on the trampoline
[22:42] <AlanBell> actually they now use Ubuntu server, so Daviey could be at home with the chickens
[22:42] <Daviey> Eeeeeek
[22:43] <Daviey> Last time i was in that close proximity to chickens, i got into trouble
[22:43] <Daviey> I think i ave a restraining order still.
[22:43] <AlanBell> gosh, that sounds like an interesting Daviey story
[22:43] <Daviey> One for another day
[22:44] <Pendulum> I guess I know what story is being told at the BBQ
[22:44] <Daviey> Pendulum: will you come?
[22:46]  * Daviey heads to bed
[22:46] <Pendulum> Daviey: Only if someone else pays :(
[22:47] <AlanBell> Pendulum: you can come via skype or a hangout or something
[22:47] <Daviey> Pendulum: You charge for your attendance ?!
[22:47] <AlanBell> I will rig up a projector and camera or something
[22:47] <Pendulum> Daviey: I have no money for travel :(
[22:48] <Daviey> ah
[22:48] <Daviey> :(
[22:48] <Pendulum> AlanBell: so the we can break something with all the remote attendees?
[22:48] <Pendulum> *then
[22:48]  * AlanBell likes this plan
[22:49] <AlanBell> I think a big screen somehow
[22:49] <Daviey> A,AlanBell ]\
[22:49] <Daviey> AlanBell: well, for me it will be work... I need to do a product analysis of how your chicken server deployment is doing
[22:50] <Daviey> and on that note, bed
[22:50] <Daviey> nn all
[22:50] <AlanBell> night all o/
[22:50] <Pendulum> g'night Daviey
[23:05] <balloons> alright, I am off for the evening as well.. g-night all
[23:51] <JanC> if anybody is in Belgium on Saturday July 14th and wants to attend an Ubuntu-be "braai" (Afrikaans for BBQ), please ping me   ;)


[18:55] <sirriffsalothp> https://soundcloud.com/user-740866226/kindly-be-inconsiderate_demo here's the latest track, hope the mix sounds alright in any new speakers available here :)


[00:11] <Quintasan> I was sooo trolled by my ISP.
[00:12] <Quintasan> “Sorry but your district will have a short maintnance break”, short lasted 24 horus
[00:12] <Quintasan> hours*
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: happy birthday, anyways
[00:14] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: oh thanks
[00:15] <Quintasan> after the first phonecall today I was like "WTF? It's not my brithday!" *looks at calendar* @_@
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> haha
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> I saw it on Skype
[00:17] <Quintasan> man, I need to download StarCraft II faster :S
[00:17] <Quintasan> That's what you get when they start messing with ol' rusty cables
[00:17] <Quintasan> :(
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> kekeke
[00:18] <Quintasan> moar updates, awesome
[00:19]  * Quintasan was expecting a slowdown in boot time with newer releases but it is actually faster
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: lol, there's somebody named zerg in #kubuntu
[00:28]  * Quintasan eats zergs for breakfast
[00:28] <Quintasan> <3 protoss
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> I'll take this opportunity to reveal that I've never played Star Craft, and have only seen the memes :P
[00:33] <Quintasan> ...
[00:33] <Quintasan> I will pretend I did not hear that
[00:33] <Quintasan> really
[00:33] <Quintasan> :P
[00:34] <Quintasan> You'd better fix that mistake now
[01:12] <Fersure> um, problem. no "KPackageKit" or "System Settings" under "Computer" in Kickoff..
[01:12] <Fersure> In Lucid o_o
[01:21] <FeasibilityStudy> Anyone having issues with pinentry-qt4 failing with Lucid?
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> nope, works fine here
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: yo, I got a question. Would a patch to amarok removing the unnecessary "do you really want to use the default location to set up your collection" dialog hurt anything with docs?
[01:28] <FeasibilityStudy> hmmm..On my end whenever pinentry is initiated it will blink 3 times really quickly and then say "incorrect password, signing failed"
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> would I need a UI freeze exception for this?
[01:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes, but as long as you get an ack from the doc person, it's not a big deal to get.
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> nice
[01:29] <ScottK> Since you're just dropping strings, it can't hurt translations.
[01:45] <FeasibilityStudy> Pintentry qt-4 is broken on Lucid.  And I can't get a backtrace
[05:47] <ScottK> Riddell: kdebase-workspace is waiting in binary New for you when you get a moment.  libplasmagenericshell needs to go into Main (it's split from a Main package)
[05:58] <ScottK> If FeasibilityStudy comes back, it works here.  He should check if gpg-agent is runnning.
[08:45] <freeflying> Do you guys have issue with your kmail? mine is crazy, it retrive all my email again, and this issus has happended 2 times before
[08:48] <jussi01> freeflying: using imap or disconnected imap or?
[08:48] <freeflying> jussi01: pop3
[08:48] <jussi01> oh... I dont use that sorry. :(
[08:48] <freeflying> jussi01: :)
[08:49] <jussi01> But, I do have another little gripe with something else... who do I grab about notifications...
[08:49] <freeflying> haha, I'm using kontact under gnome
[08:50] <freeflying> but this should be the root cause
[08:52] <jussi01> thing is, when a notification pops up with an acrtion, ie. the one for kpackagekit, asks you if you want to upgrade your packages; then the clickable buttons on there use the theme from your applications, but the writing is from the plasma theme. thus, you cant mix and match dark and light themes because it becaomes unreadable. the buttons should come from plasma, not else where.
[08:53] <jussi01> freeflying: could you highlight me like 3 or 4 times?
[08:55] <freeflying> jussi01: hi
[08:55] <freeflying> jussi01: hi
[08:55] <freeflying> jussi01: hi
[08:55] <freeflying> jussi01: hi
[08:55] <freeflying> jussi01: :)
[08:55] <jussi01> once more?
[08:56] <freeflying> jussi01: hey
[08:59] <jussi01> so, this is what Im talking about: http://imagebin.ca/view/EMyThRkj.html
[09:01] <freeflying> jussi01: you mean the button on the poppup box?
[09:01] <jussi01> freeflying: yes
[09:02] <jussi01> freeflying: I really dont understand why it is grey...
[09:02] <jussi01> it seems like its taking a generic color from somewhere...
[09:03] <freeflying> jussi01: the message from kopete is fine
[09:03] <freeflying> jussi01: suppose that is from your irc client
[09:03] <jussi01> freeflying: yes, its only the button (and its quassel)
[09:03] <jussi01> thing is, my theme is blue.
[09:04] <jussi01> so I really dont know where the grey is actually coming from
[09:04] <shadeslayer> hmm.. does anybody else get a smal rectangular box on the top left with plymouth during the boot?
[09:05] <shadeslayer> the whole screen is purple while that particular region is black
[09:05] <shadeslayer> ah loads of upgrades
[09:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not understand why our package must depend libssl just because git apparently does?
[09:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but but... how come 2.3 compiles without libssl dev?
[09:11] <shadeslayer> in the repos that is
[09:11] <apachelogger> git > 2.3 I would suppose
[09:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm weird ive compiling it for the last 2-3 months
[09:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think we should blog about the logo rebranding business?
[09:12] <apachelogger> people get the wrong idea again
[09:13] <apachelogger> just like I predicted btw :P
[09:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then I dunno
[09:13] <apachelogger> maybe we do the heavy patching
[09:13] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[09:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well if kubuntu doesnt need it then meh...
[09:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/lucid/amarok
[09:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just thought that i might let you know
[09:14] <apachelogger> it build-deps on libcurl4-gnutls-dev
[09:14] <apachelogger> which AFAIK is a SSL lib
[09:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you try wiping your cmake cache?
[09:15] <persia> It's a TLS lib, which is kinda like SSL and kinda not like SSL.
[09:15] <apachelogger> kk
[09:15] <apachelogger> :)
[09:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[09:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have a script which deletes the whole build/ folder
[09:16]  * apachelogger thinks we need a kde shortcut to go to the source branch of $name
[09:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/debian/mysql_no_openssl_fix.diff
[09:18] <apachelogger> from debian
[09:18] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:25] <apachelogger> jefferai: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu/06_mimetypes.diff
[09:27] <apachelogger> jefferai: as per bug 191475 ... those are necessary for desktop interoperabitlity it seems :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you think it'll be possible to push the new networkmanagement post beta ?
[09:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaics it really works well, and most reports are very positive...
[09:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw can you confirm this : https://bugs.kde.org/231398 ?
[09:32] <apachelogger> hai Tonio_
[09:33] <shadeslayer> and im starting to hate nouveau
[09:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not run latest git
[09:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah ok
[09:33] <Tonio_> hey apachelogger:)
[09:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go write a mail about nouveau or go cry to #ubuntu-x ;)
[09:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or i can just install the nvidia binary blob
[09:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well i did talk to people in X and they said that 3-D wont make it into the lucid release
[09:34] <shadeslayer> so i probably will have to switch to nvidia...
[09:35] <shadeslayer> um... why do i have the nvidia drivers in my upgrades \o/ : http://pastebin.ca/1846474
[09:39] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/kpkgcode.ogv
[09:39] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:39] <apachelogger> more shortcuts
[09:40] <apachelogger> also
[09:40] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:40] <apachelogger> more scripts
[09:40] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/scripts/deb-sourcecheck
[09:40] <apachelogger> finally came to upload that beasty ^^
[09:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does every ubuntu member get this kind of space?
[09:57] <apachelogger> IIRC ye
[09:57] <apachelogger> s
[09:57] <shadeslayer> nice
[09:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: people.ubuntu.com
[09:57] <apachelogger> should redirect to a wiki page with information
[09:57] <shadeslayer> oh..
[09:57] <shadeslayer> yes it does :D
[09:58]  * apachelogger notes that there is no good wallpaper to be found via kgethotnewstuff :(
[09:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah..
[09:58] <apachelogger> ah
[09:58] <apachelogger> I will just use the linux mint one :D
[09:59] <shadeslayer> lol.. i like the pardus kdm theme though...
[09:59] <apachelogger> looks neat enough + I rarely have green wallies
[09:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I like KDEs better
[09:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the default one? nah.. to bluey
[09:59] <apachelogger> hm
[10:00] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i need to start tagging my codechef emails too :)
[10:00] <apachelogger> that linuxmint one is actually pretty crappy
[10:00] <apachelogger> as a wallpaper that is
[10:00] <apachelogger> splash screen maybe
[10:00] <apachelogger> but no good for wallie
[10:02]  * shadeslayer wonders what happened to chromium
[10:02] <persia> apachelogger: deb-sourcecheck looks useful.  Please consider adding it to u-d-t once the archive is fully open again.
[10:02] <shadeslayer> [18142:18159:3866675780:FATAL:chrome/browser/sync/syncable/directory_backing_store.cc(193)] file is encrypted or is not a database
[10:03] <apachelogger> persia: there is a similar too in udt suspicious-source or something
[10:03] <apachelogger> just that it is crap :P
[10:04] <persia> Yeah, suspicious-source.  Yours looks nicer, but doesn't have all of the special cases.  I'd like to see one tool to rule them all, because the archive-admins are currently stuck using suspicious-source.
[10:04] <persia> (and getting them better tools means NEW is faster, etc.)
[10:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: <3 this : https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/oeljdmeofcikjblcoehpmdnooimalbmj?hl=en#
[10:07] <apachelogger> persia: well, see that is why mine is superior, I do not need to list all types of source files, because source files in the end are text files and text files will be marked as either *ASCII* or *text* by file
[10:07] <apachelogger> in the end it will spit out everything that is binary data and not whitelisted
[10:10] <shadeslayer_> ok brb.. installed the nvidia drivers :P
[10:11] <apachelogger> persia: http://pastebin.ca/1846498 vs. http://pastebin.ca/1846499
[10:12] <persia> apachelogger: Your whitelist could be longer (e.g. .wav, .au, .sng, etc.).  Also, if fails for non-ascii unicode text (common for people with certain names)
[10:13] <apachelogger> yeah, that is just a matter of extending it :)
[10:13] <apachelogger> in general it will give much more appropriate hits than suspicious-source though ;)
[10:13] <persia> Well, yeah, but as far as I can tell, the bugtracker is in your head :)
[10:13] <persia> Much.
[10:13]  * apachelogger doesnt do bugs :P
[10:13] <persia> And I agree (looking at your example) that .mp3 and .ogg are target formats, not source.
[10:15] <persia> You don't do bugs?  I've seen you fix *lots* of bugs.
[10:15] <apachelogger> none of which were mine :P
[10:16] <persia> I get it.  You only fix bugs when it fills you with that smug sense of satisfaction in fixing someone else's mistake?
[10:25] <apachelogger> persia: exactly ^^
[10:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any idea why the temprature plasmoid always shows temps in F and not in C?
[10:27] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[10:27] <apachelogger> locale maybe
[10:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where do i adjust that?
[10:27] <apachelogger> systemsettings
[10:27] <apachelogger> regional & language or something
[10:28] <apachelogger> there you can configure that kind of stuff
[10:28] <shadeslayer> yeah found it
[10:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah thanks... i was going to report a bug :P
[10:43] <shadeslayer> feels nice to be back on the nvidia driver :P
[10:46] <apachelogger> sweet ness
[10:46]  * apachelogger starts redoing code for cpp excercise :(
[10:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :) i even removed the splash stuff... boot time reduced by a sec i think
[10:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw do you know of a command that will compress a folder with .avi to maximum?
[10:50] <apachelogger> oh wow, that is the single most frightning code I have ever seen, first an array gets created on the stack and then the addresses get copied to pointers on the heap Oo
[10:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: eh?
[10:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: avi is a media container, no more than that
[10:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: like i want to tarball all my videos into one and have max. compression
[10:52] <apachelogger> oh
[10:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: youd probably want lzma compression for that
[10:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: man tar is your friend
[10:53] <apachelogger> apparently it already supports on the way filtering through lzma, so you just need to build your arguments list
[10:53] <apachelogger> otherwise you coud have to create the tar and then lzma -9 it
[10:54] <apachelogger> or create the tar as a IOpipe and then lzma -9 from that pipe
[10:54] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:56] <Guest87270> who is handling the kubuntu netbook package?
[11:57] <Guest87270> like all the development stuff
[12:03] <shadeslayer> oh btw who was asking for a jockey backtrace that day?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> when i said that jockey-kde is crashy... well here it is : http://pastebin.ca/1846558
[12:04] <shadeslayer> i tried the install dbg symbols button but thats all i get after reloading
[12:08] <JontheEchidna> that's a python-qt4 crash, and a very strangeish one at that
[12:09] <JontheEchidna> yet another reason not to use python
[12:09] <JontheEchidna> aha: bug 403361
[12:11] <shadeslayer> brb
[12:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/542608
[12:13] <JontheEchidna> can't reproduce here
[12:13] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: wierd...
[12:14] <JontheEchidna> I'd suggest looking for similar reports at bugs.kde.org, and filing a bug if you don't find one already there
[12:15] <shadeslayer> ok ill have a look
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> then we can ask more people here, and if you're the only one we can close the launchpad bug and track it at bugs.kde.org
[12:15] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: :)
[14:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Here's the solution to the debug spam problem (at the end of) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227089
[14:35] <sanich> кто нибудь помогите запустить АМАРОК
[14:44] <ryanakca> Who at Canonical can tell me which companies or organisations use Kubuntu?
[15:21]  * shadeslayer passes nixternal some coffee
[15:35] <nixternal> thank you shadeslayer... enjoying some coffee and awesome bagels while surrounded by gnomeites
[15:41] <shadeslayer> nixternal: nice blog btw :D
[17:21] <ScottK> Can the "recent notifications" popup that goes with any notifications in 4.4 go away?
[17:24] <verbalshadow> ScottK: only if there is zero notifications, AFAIK
[17:31] <ScottK> It seems an odd choice at best to have a notification that says "here are your notifications".
[17:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you could make that go away you'd be my hero once again.
[17:40] <Sput> ScottK: in trunk I don't see that anymore
[17:40] <Sput> so looks like upstream got some sanity too :)
[17:40] <ScottK> good to hear.
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, they reworked the entire notifications system for 4.5
[17:40]  * ScottK looks again at JontheEchidna and his svn surfing skillz.
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> it's also separate from the system tray plasmoid in 4.5
[17:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Any chance we can make 'recent notifications' notification go away?
[17:41] <ScottK> Sounds like there's no worry about carrying a patch for a long time.
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> We'd have to maintain it for the LTS lifetime
[17:42] <ScottK> True.
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> plus it is a way to see notifications you may have missed
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if upstream would be too keen on us removing the feature
[17:42] <ScottK> Can't you click on the "i" to get recent ones back?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nope
[17:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: they last for about 30 secs
[17:43] <shadeslayer> or less
[17:43] <ScottK> That's recent.
[17:44] <ScottK> Right now if I unplug my netbook from power, I get three notifications.  That's proof positive that at least in this area, upstream is nuts.
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> I do plan on patching away the nepomuk notifications
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> those are just ridiculous
[17:45] <ScottK> Is there a way to turn the recent notifications thing off?
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> not that I can see
[17:46] <ScottK> There at least ought to be that.
[17:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i get 2 here
[17:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: one from powerdevil and one from nepomuk
[17:48] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh you can disable the power notifications
[17:48] <ScottK> I get those two and the recent notifications one.
[17:48] <ScottK> The power one is the one I think's reasonable.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> oh youre counting that? :P
[17:48] <ScottK> Yep.
[17:49] <ScottK> Of course the one of the three that I think we should have is the one you can turn off.
[17:58] <Sput> hm yeah, notifications really are much better in trunk, now that you remind me how it looked in 4.4 :)
[17:58] <Sput> JontheEchidna: the new systray also can embed plasmoids, so you can have the notifications plasmoid in it like in 4.4 :) I think that's even default now
[18:12] <lex79> ScottK: If you have time to sponsor, I uploaded soprano 2.4.1 to my ppa http://tinyurl.com/ykg4ybm
[18:16] <ScottK> lex79: Probably not today.
[18:17] <lex79> ok
[18:32] <bince__> hi guys i am stuck in petiboot loader screen
[18:32] <bince__> its not showing my kubuntu install file in its menu
[18:33] <bince__> i can access my disk in mnt folder but what should i do to initiate the installation process of my kubunut(i am trying to install it on ps3)
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ah nice...plasma crash
[20:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need them fancy web 2.0 buttons
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> when where and why?
[20:21] <apachelogger> "FEAR THE PYTHON"
[20:21] <apachelogger> or some crazy things
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> they'd be a shiny web 2.0 snake
[20:22] <apachelogger> "Ubuntu is a Lunix written almost entirely in Python" :P
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> Sounds like an uncyclopedia entry
[20:22] <apachelogger> as if it wasnt the truth :P
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> and here I am trying to do a GSoC project on a python app :S
[20:24] <apachelogger> IMHO launguage-selector should be ported to CPython API and use cpp itself :P
[20:24]  * apachelogger would like to see some decent cpython implemention anyway
[20:24] <apachelogger> I would be lying if I claimed that I understand their API documentation
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: your blog post made quite the wave. peeps still talking about it on the microblag
[20:42] <apachelogger> microblag!
[20:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: talking is always good I suppose
[20:42] <apachelogger> not that I would know what they are talking
[20:42]  * apachelogger is again out of sync :(
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> mostly they're just posting the link
[20:43] <apachelogger> ah
[20:43] <apachelogger> if advertisement was always that easy
[20:43] <apachelogger> I noticed that someone in a french ubuntu forum claimed that I am a canonical employee :D
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:48] <apachelogger> hm, that post had 2.5k visitors today
[20:49] <apachelogger> madness
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> best post I got had 800 (timelord announcement)
[20:50]  * apachelogger cant really tell :(
[20:50] <apachelogger> oh, maybe analytics got them informations
[20:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I am canonical employee, I must get more visits than you obviously ;)
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> You probably would be, except you'd assault your fellow employees for advocating python
[20:52] <Quintasan> oh man, coding objects is so fun
[20:52] <Quintasan> "Make a class that represents a lamp, the methods should be able to turn it on or off and a colour of the lamp should be defined"
[20:52] <Quintasan> :O
[20:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would try to fight the evil from inside the company ! :D
[20:52] <apachelogger> oh
[20:52] <apachelogger> analytics++
[20:53] <apachelogger> most visited post was announcement of kde-nightly integration in project neon
[20:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there ^^^
[20:53] <apachelogger> neon will give you loads of visitors
[20:53] <apachelogger> that got 8.5k visitors
[20:53] <apachelogger> my rant about kubuntu l10n got 3k
[20:54] <apachelogger> oxygen cursors 2.5k
[20:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: that code is crap, I dunno why did that work for you, seriously
[20:54] <Quintasan> it fails everytime on each machine I have tried (3 so far)
[20:54] <apachelogger> the secret is to have en envrionment that works :P
[20:54] <apachelogger> or to know how to fix things :P
[20:55]  * apachelogger ran neon on a gentoo machine actually :P
[20:55] <Quintasan> or stopping to code while under effects of alcohol
[20:55] <Quintasan> ^_^
[20:55] <apachelogger> nah
[20:55] <apachelogger> only that made it possible to shoot out the code in like a couple of days or so
[20:56] <Quintasan> now, maintain it
[20:56] <Quintasan> the level of that task is over 9000
[20:56] <Tm_T> hi
[20:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: just rewrite it :P
[20:56] <Quintasan> Tm_T: \o
[20:56] <apachelogger> besides, I do not see the problem with maintaining
[20:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what is failing?
[20:57] <apachelogger> neon or the building?
[20:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: beats me, it tries to download files which are not there and complains because they are not there
[20:57] <Quintasan> :S
[20:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pasty
[20:58] <apachelogger> Tm_T: mom, I am famous on the microblags JontheEchidna says!!!
[20:58] <Tm_T> apachelogger: he is just saying nice things to you );
[20:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: in few minutes, I need to finish coding my Lamp class
[20:59] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you dont think I am famous? :(
[20:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I got a character class :P
[20:59] <Tm_T> apachelogger: sure you are
[20:59] <apachelogger> that forward declares 16 other classes, just because I am obsessed with forward declaration ^^
[21:00] <apachelogger> Tm_T: :)
[21:00] <apachelogger> Tm_T: just not on microblags?
[21:06] <Tm_T> apachelogger: only in this channel (;
[21:06] <Tm_T> or in other words, in our family
[21:06] <apachelogger> <3 family
[21:06] <apachelogger> that said, maybe I will not retire from development
[21:06] <Tm_T> better not
[21:37] <apachelogger> hm
[21:37] <apachelogger> anyone with karmic around?
[21:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sure.
[21:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: You can't retire from anything until you're at least as old as nixternal.
[21:38] <crimsun> or ten years younger than ScottK ;-)
[21:39] <apachelogger> pfff
[21:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: ls /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-* | grep indicator | xargs grep Name
[21:39] <ScottK> Yeah, if I were a better businessman, I'd be retired already.
[21:39] <apachelogger> please
[21:39] <ScottK> OK
[21:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Name=Indicator Display
[21:39] <ScottK> X-KDE-PluginInfo-Name=indicatordisplay
[21:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks
[21:39] <ScottK> No problem.
[21:53] <apachelogger> oh oh
[21:53]  * apachelogger kicks plasma "silly robot"
[22:58] <debfx> anyone wants to test an updated brightness osd patch that should bring it back to life?
[22:58] <debfx> https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu
[23:01] <ScottK> debfx: Didn't that get upstream?
[23:08]  * ScottK nudges Riddell again about kdebase-workspace sitting in binary New.
[23:13] <debfx> ScottK: no, I submitted it to the KDE review board in october but haven't got a response
[23:14] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  Please give it another push for 4.5.


[16:11] <jbicha> hi, could you update edubuntu-desktop to depend on gnome-session-flashback instead of gnome-session-fallback?
[16:15] <stgraber> jbicha: that package doesn't appear to exist
[16:15] <stgraber> jbicha: or is it stuck in -proposed?
[16:18] <jbicha> stgraber: it just landed in the new queue
[16:19] <stgraber> jbicha: ok. Is it just a rename or is there something different about it?
[16:20] <stgraber> jbicha: I guess we'll need to update all the matching strings, lightdm config, ...?
[16:20] <jbicha> oh I didn't think about all of that but yes
[16:21] <jbicha> it's a complete rename, everything that says fallback should say flashback now
[16:23] <stgraber> right, so we'll need changes in 2-3 other packages then and carefuly think about how to deal with upgrades...
[16:24] <stgraber> so not something I'll do just now then, will try to find some time to look into that soonish
[17:32] <Lex> hello there
[20:20] <jbicha> stgraber: I guess we'd want to use dh-migrations for that and that it should be done in the gnome-session package
[21:32] <jbicha> uh, I mean gnome-panel since that's where the session files are now
[21:47] <stgraber> it's a rather tricky migration, because you'll need to go and update the default session in any DM (at least lightdm for us) where it may be set and in any user's .dmrc or /var/lib/<whatever>/dmrc/...
[21:51] <jbicha> where in /var/lib/ ? I was thinking only ~/.dmrc needed to be migrated
[21:53] <jbicha> edubuntu defaults to Unity right? otherwise there also is gsettings org.gnome.desktop.session session-name
[21:59] <stgraber> jbicha: we default to unity but if the user chooses the classic mode in our installer, we set it as the default session in lightdm, so we need to detect and migrate that too
[22:00] <stgraber> jbicha: I was thinking of /var/lib/AccountsService/users/* actually. But maybe just .dmrc is enough.
[22:00] <stgraber> jbicha: I had weird cases where .dmrc changes done while the session is open are overriden on logout by the previous value, so we'd have to test this to make sure it's reliable