[01:39] <sitter> shadeslayer: I kinda rewrote list-missing in superior ruby code, what do I do with it :O
[02:06] <ScottK> debfx: Isn't it still useful for people using quassel with Unity?
[02:07] <ScottK> If not, then sure.
[02:21] <ScottK> Mirv: Not any more it's not.
[03:57] <ahoneybun> seems the nonfree drivers do not agree with the system
[06:33] <Mirv> thanks Scott!
[06:34] <Mirv> now when infinity fixes the problems caused by gdal update Qt will actually migrate
[07:07] <mitya57> Mirv: first vtk6 tests need to succeed
[07:12] <debfx> ScottK: maybe (if they didn't change the api multiple times on the way)
[07:12] <debfx> ScottK: but the patch also disable the tray icon by default
[07:20] <Mirv> mitya57: yes, the vtk6 tests failing are caused by that gdal update..
[07:21] <soee> good morning
[07:21] <Mirv> mitya57: I was puzzled first, but then I tried -proposed and saw the problem in packages depending on older gdal
[07:22] <Mirv> good morning of a hopefully Qt day
[07:22] <Mirv> and then it turned out infinity is working on it, but it seems that he's not reverting but trying to complete the transition instead
[07:23] <mitya57> Ok, I should have read the full #u-devel backlog
[07:24] <Mirv> there were also other adt issues but it seems CI folks went through retrying the unstable ones
[08:43] <Riddell> sitter: bug 953342 is fixed, I hope this makes your day joyful
[08:48] <sitter> only took 2 years :'<
[08:55] <mitya57> only 3 years
[08:55] <Riddell> sitter: is CI still in need of love?
[08:55] <Riddell> Mirv: am I good to upload KF5?
[08:56] <mitya57> Riddell: please don't upload, qt hasn't migrated yet
[08:57] <sitter> Riddell: yeah, some games and plasmas need to be triggered, we have a script for that though
[08:57] <sitter> right now workspace appears to legitimately not build, so that's a bit of a blocker
[09:05] <Mirv> Riddell: there was an unfortunate gdal transition starting, breaking one adt test and blocking qt. just a few minutes ago the adt test now passed so hoping for the best
[09:06] <Mirv> oh yay, it'd look like that initially
[09:08] <Riddell> sitter: did you have any thoughts on bug 1432343 ? you said you thought there was a race condition with ubiquity-dm ?
[09:10] <sitter> couldn't pin point it exactly
[09:10] <sitter> actually I was going to download ubuntu and see if it also has problems
[09:12] <sitter> uhh
[09:12] <sitter> newly installed system polkit aint working
[09:12] <sitter> lovely
[09:13]  * sitter needs to make qaptworker debugable >.<
[09:14] <mitya57> It migrated `\o/´
[09:15] <Riddell> ooh?
[09:15] <sitter> weeh
[09:15] <Riddell> ooh!
[09:15] <sitter> Riddell: for the record I think there was a behavior change in libapt-pkg that is causing qapt to freeze randomly
[09:16] <Riddell> :(
[09:16] <Guest71792> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10619786/
[09:17] <sitter> second time I am seeing that
[09:17] <sitter> could of course simply be a bug in aptpkg
[09:18] <sitter> there still is a bug in qapt though
[09:19] <sitter> randomly it goes that authorization was not provided
[09:19] <sitter> while it is doing something and after auth is actually done...
[09:20] <sitter> could be aff2e3b6351a1c317dc33cf65f946570f5dbb5de
[09:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:57] <soee> hiho lordievader
[09:58] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[09:58] <soee> lordievader: great, you ? :)
[09:58] <lordievader> Waking up...
[09:58] <soee> itd almost 12:00 :D
[09:59] <lordievader> soee: I got home at 03:15...
[09:59] <lordievader> And here it is almost 11:00 :P
[09:59] <soee> ah right, 11:00 :)
[10:00] <Mirv> Riddell: thanks for waiting!
[10:01] <Riddell> thanks for packaging 5.4.1 :)
[10:01] <Mirv> you're welcome :)
[10:03] <Mirv> and thanks to all the help I again got from everyone... there's so much other things to be done besides the packaging that help is welcome
[10:05] <Mirv> now kwin got rid of the qtbase/qtdeclarative-abi dependencies too, thanks to the private symbol marking fixes
[10:35] <Riddell> sitter: testing ubuntu daily-live on virtualbox it doesn't start X either
[10:35] <Riddell> so I think it's a problem with systemd-sysv + X + virtualbox  nothing kubuntu specific
[10:35] <kubotu> feed branches had 15 updates, showing the latest 6
[10:36] <lordievader> Riddell: I've heard more problems of Vivid + VB.
[10:36] <sitter> Riddell: agreed
[10:36] <Riddell> good good
[10:37] <Riddell> be careful when trying ubuntu dailies, the current is old (6th March, no systemd) presumably it doesn't pass some automated tests somewhere
[10:37]  * sitter cancels ubuntu download
[10:38] <lordievader> Hehe
[10:43] <sitter> hm
[10:43] <sitter> every time I look at something muon I happen to find a pile of bugs that have nothing to do with what I set out to investigate :/
[10:45] <Riddell> :(
[10:49]  * sitter falls off chair
[10:51] <sitter> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commit&h=a1686b5b76349bd19b54ac5c8e7482b20937ca13
[10:51] <sitter> well drunk
[10:52] <Riddell> ¿que significa?
[10:53] <kfunk> btw guys: Kubuntu Vivid has been rock stable for the last weeks (for me). kudos.
[10:54] <Riddell> kfunk: :)  shame we still haven't worked out what caused systemd+sddm to go all unhappy when I changed the vt to 7
[10:54] <sitter> Riddell: no clue what that frontendcap stuff is, judging by the name I'd say its important though
[10:56] <yofel> Riddell: I hardly think the vt change did something. I'm more concerned why the service would get disabled...
[10:56] <yofel> which really shouldn't happen
[10:58] <Riddell> right
[11:20] <shadeslayer> sitter: >.>
[11:20] <shadeslayer> <.<
[11:20] <sitter> hm?
[11:20] <KDDA> has anyone got testdisk working in vivid?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> sitter: fun fact
[11:22] <shadeslayer> sitter: native armhf build of webkit : 6 hours
[11:22] <shadeslayer> qemu'd build : 4:44 hours
[11:22] <Riddell> KDDA: what is testdisk?
[11:23] <KDDA> tool for testing disks
[11:23] <Riddell> oh I see what they did there :)
[11:23] <KDDA> indeed
[11:23] <KDDA> very clever!
[11:24] <KDDA> I have corrupted the internal SD card on my phone
[11:24] <KDDA> so I dumped it to a raw file
[11:25] <KDDA> but getting unmet dependancies : testdisk : Depends: libntfs-3g852
[11:26] <KDDA> but I have libntfs-3g installed which is strange
[11:27] <KDDA> probably more of a ubuntu issue, but thought Id ask here
[11:28] <Riddell> KDDA: it installs fine in vivid for me
[11:28] <Riddell> no depends on libntfs-3g852
[11:29] <KDDA> weird
[11:30] <ScottK> debfx: In that case, I guess it can go.
[11:35] <sitter> shadeslayer: there used to be a time when the build timed out on launchpad which was at like 12 hours or so due to linking taking forever
[11:35] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:35] <Riddell> debfx: ooh are you updating the quassel package?
[11:36]  * Riddell cries on noticing that upstream_control-space.diff has disappeared from konsole making emacs unusable again
[11:41] <KDDA> Riddell: why am I getting a duplicate sources entry?
[11:41] <KDDA> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid-backports/multiverse amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_vivid-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages)
[11:42] <Riddell> KDDA: no idea maybe you have a duplicate entry
[11:42] <KDDA> cant see one :/
[11:44] <Riddell> KDDA: could be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[11:45] <KDDA> looked there too
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:58] <KDDA> how do I install/remove a virtual package?!?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> remove it inside the VM
[11:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:59] <shadeslayer> KDDA: you can't
[11:59] <shadeslayer> because there's no package to remove technically
[12:02] <BluesKaj> guess I misread, thought he meant remove a package from a VM guest OS
[12:04] <Riddell> cyphermox: you uploaded ubiquity without changing the bzr branch.  I'll sync those
[12:04] <KDDA> why will nothing work for me today!?!?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> KDDA, because it's a new moon and the helper gods are asleep :)
[12:16] <Riddell> it might be a sign of the coming solar eclipse as the end of worlds?
[12:16] <lordievader> Ahhh
[12:16]  * lordievader runs in fear
[12:17]  * BluesKaj just drinks more coffee
[12:18]  * soee does not care
[13:26] <Riddell> ronnoc: we can always find things for useful people to do
[13:26] <Riddell> ronnoc: mparillo has been writing the kubuntu wire posts recently
[13:30] <ronnoc> Riddell:  OK I can ping him to see what we could do. I'm also available for release testing as we get closer to Vivid's release. I have a dedicated hard drive that the Beta's urrently on.
[13:30] <ronnoc> *currently
[13:33] <Riddell> sitter: your commit 5ce2953692ca6cb62f440bba7ecae95b042cb49a to our konsole packaging with comment "." deleted my favourate patch, what's that all about?
[13:35] <sitter> upstream
[13:38] <ronnoc> mparillo: hit me up when you're around to discuss the Wire and what I could help with :)
[13:39] <Riddell> ronnoc: wire just gets posts whenever there is something kubuntu related that someone writes about, so searching for those may end up with more things to write about :)
[13:40] <Riddell> ronnoc: and if you're into helping with PR there's stuff like Plasma release announcements that need love :)
[13:41] <Riddell> who was saying paritionmanager didn't work? it works fine for me
[13:42] <Riddell> ooh but it doesn't run the the app menu
[14:05] <ronnoc> Riddell: I certainly could help with the 1st part. In fact, I went ahead and set up a custom Google Alert for the mighty Ku and will keep an eye out for coolio-stuff :)
[14:06] <sitter> Riddell: the kxmlrpcclient you broke never was broken as you didn't merge kubuntu_unstable before doing your thing
[14:13] <Riddell> sitter: pardon?
[14:24] <mparillo> ronnoc: Sorry, I missed these, but it seems as if last night's vivid upgrades were not kind to my VM on my $work laptop. I am brand new at this publicity thing, but I have been trying to focus on Kubuntu-specific updates, not the two main upstreams (KDE or Ubuntu), unless I see something directly related to Kubuntu.
[14:26] <mparillo> Basically, I try to hit the wire, G+, and twitter (directly, so I can embed an image, but I think the wire sends to twitter and planet KDE automagically). Facebook, most of the time, but I wash my hands afterwards.
[14:27] <mparillo> I think with the new site some are working on, an RSS feed from Kubuntu Wire to the news section would be nice.
[14:27] <sitter> Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/kxmlrpcclient.git/log/?h=kubuntu_vivid_archive note that branch ancestry at the bottom. you twiddle the epoch in vivid_archive derived from master, then merged unstable, which was also derived from master but had changes on top of it
[14:27] <Riddell> hint hint ovidiu-florin ↑ :)
[14:28] <sitter> so the epoch drop you did was noop because unstable already had it
[14:36] <soee> woho tomorrow 5.2.2 tars ? :)
[14:37] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder if I should do a practice of that today to make sure the scripts are still all working
[14:45] <sitter> you should talk to translators about documentation lineup
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whoop whoop
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have access to 2 more ARM servers now
[15:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh? how?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> I got a invite from online.net
[15:23] <Riddell> you must be special
[15:23] <Riddell> I wonder if boud got one
[15:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I also virtualized my amd64 server to do arm builds
[15:23] <shadeslayer> so I have a fair amount of ARM power now :D
[15:25] <shadeslayer> I do hope its cheap when they launch it
[15:25] <shadeslayer> I mean, I wouldn't mind paying 20 EUR a year or something for this
[15:27] <Riddell> for a cloud server? cloud servers usually cost more like €20 a day no?
[15:27] <shadeslayer> not necessarily
[15:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://buyvm.net/
[15:27] <shadeslayer> 15.00/year
[15:28] <shadeslayer> anyway, I hope it's cheap :p
[15:29] <Riddell> (more so for the bandwidth, especially if it's in australia)
[15:30] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I hear they're going to sell consumer versions of the board
[15:31] <shadeslayer> so you can buy one of those and stick it a corner of your house
[15:32] <Riddell> well that's no different from the pandaboard I already hvae or the raspberry pi you have
[15:32] <Riddell> it depends on what software you have no?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's quite different actually
[15:35] <shadeslayer> apparently will have 4 ethernet ports, and msata ports
[15:38] <Riddell> what is msata?
[15:38] <Riddell> I don't really feel the need for 4 ethernet ports in life
[15:38] <Riddell> ahoneybun: new docs uploaded thanks!
[15:38] <shadeslayer> mini sata port
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujKeYZQJ1QQ
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: more internets! :D
[16:12]  * Riddell publishes http://jriddell.org/2015/03/18/kubuntu-15-04-heating-up/
[16:19] <kfunk> 15.04 is going to be great indeed :)
[16:20] <debfx> Riddell: yes, I'll update quassel
[16:21] <debfx> if I can remember how to use bzr
[16:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: coming in today? necesitamos hablar castellano
[16:24] <Riddell> debfx: thanks, bzr is easy, it's just like git but more snuggly
[16:30] <debfx> well the tricky part is that git, bzr, svn use similar subcommand names but with a different meaning
[16:31] <Riddell> I think it would be even more tricky if they were completely different names
[17:17] <Riddell> apt-cache policy cantor-backend-python has two packages from the same archive! how is that possible? https://paste.kde.org/p8l30rfde
[17:21] <Riddell> sddm guy points to https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/340
[17:21] <Riddell> yofel: do you think that would help the disabled sddm issue?
[17:21] <mparillo> Riddell: Assuming you do not want to publicize yourself, want me to spread the word about http://jriddell.org/2015/03/18/kubuntu-15-04-heating-up/
[17:21] <Riddell> mparillo: ooh please do spread on social media bits
[17:41] <Riddell> mparillo: on your last Wire post the links were actually links to the image not the article.  I fixed that up
[17:44] <mparillo> Are you sure? I was pretty sure I had http://jriddell.org/2015/03/18/kubuntu-15-04-heating-up/ as the target of announces?
[17:44] <Riddell> mparillo: I see the same issue in the Protocols Plugfest Europe post on that image
[17:49] <mparillo> Let me see...
[17:51] <Mamarok> where exactly will we have the meeting with the Community Couuncil, in here?
[17:51] <Mamarok> Council*
[17:52] <mparillo> When I click on the link for Protocols Plugfest Europe, I get sent to: http://www.protocolsplugfest.com/europe/speakers/
[17:52] <Riddell> Mamarok: in #ubuntu-meeting usually
[17:52] <Mamarok> OK, let's hope I will not forget tomorrow :)
[17:52] <Riddell> tomorrow at 18:00 (I wonder what timezone that is)
[17:52] <Riddell> 17:00UTC so it is
[17:52] <Mamarok> that's UTC, so 19:00 for me
[17:53] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm? surely you're +1
[17:53] <Mamarok> oh, right, silly me, I even entered it correctly in my calendar...
[17:56] <mparillo> Steps to reproduce:  (1): http://wire.kubuntu.org/ (2): Scroll or go directly to http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=234 (3): Click on: Protocols Plugfest Europe in the body text of the post (not the headline) (4): Link to: http://www.protocolsplugfest.com/europe/speakers/
[17:57] <Riddell> mparillo: yes that link is fine but the images both link to themselves
[17:57] <Riddell> mparillo: they should link to same place as the text link
[18:03] <mparillo> Hmmm, I never specified a link target for the images.
[18:03] <mparillo> I wonder if the wire did that automagicaly.
[18:04] <Riddell> possibly
[18:08] <mparillo> So, I think I see it. Somebody told me that people click on posts most often when there is an image. So, I have been trying to do so. On the Wire UI, I upload a File, then Insert Media, and it includes a default URL and Title, with options for Caption, Alt Text, and Description.
[18:08] <Riddell> hmm strange
[18:08] <Riddell> yes including an image in a blog post is pretty important
[18:08] <mparillo> The default URL is indeed right back to the image.
[18:09] <Riddell> just text people skip over
[18:09] <Riddell> but also people like to click on the images if it's a blog post about some other article so it's best to have that pointing to the article too
[18:10] <mparillo> So, I have made sure the links in my text go where they should, but it did not occur to me that the images were also links (I think this is limited to the Wire, not G+, etc.)
[18:10] <mparillo> Let me see if I can fix my old Wire posts first.
[18:11] <Riddell> thanks :)
[18:27] <mparillo> Riddell: All the image links in my wire posts should now go to the same place as the text links (except for your speaking gig, where I had two images, one for you going to the speakers, and the other to the main page).
[18:36]  * ahoneybun is happy to be in Riddell's acticle
[18:52] <soee_> all QT 5.4.1 and kf 5.8 packages are already in vivid ?
[18:55] <Riddell> soee: yes, kf 5.8 is in -proposed still
[18:56] <soee> Riddell: but i see a lot of it was installed
[18:59] <soee> anyway, before final release we can now only expect plasma 5.2.2 right ?
[19:40] <Riddell> !testers | sddm 0.11.0-0ubuntu5 in vivid needs trying out please
[19:42] <soee> Riddell: what chnages ?
[19:43]  * sgclark fears testing sddm
[19:45] <Riddell> added WantedBy=graphical.target to the end of /lib/systemd/system/sddm.service
[19:46] <Riddell> as advised by upstream
[19:46] <soee> what this change do :) ?
[19:46] <soee> i'm not familiar with it at all
[19:47] <sgclark> hopefully makes it enabled by default?
[19:47] <Riddell> beats me, hopefully good things
[19:48] <soee> :D
[19:57] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what is this talk about Muon Discover Banner?
[20:01] <Riddell> ahoneybun: open muon discover, you see the banner on the first page?
[20:01] <Riddell> the default is pretty boring, we should customise it
[20:01] <stormchaser3000> hi
[20:01] <ahoneybun> Riddell: its a slideshow
[20:02] <Riddell> ahoneybun: which we did for kde4 with this /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/muon-discover/featured.json
[20:02] <Riddell> ahoneybun: so that needs updated with whatever are the best apps around now and added to kubuntu-settings in whatever the right directory is
[20:02] <Riddell> hi stormchaser3000, welcome along
[20:05] <ahoneybun> Riddell: so make the images, and find where to put them lol
[20:05] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I saw your email to the list that you find the right places for khelpcenter
[20:07] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I did although when looking at the documentation the text and doc imgaes are fine but the theme images don't want to work and I've no idea why :(
[20:08] <ahoneybun> Riddell: as in the theme userbase uses?
[20:08] <Riddell> ahoneybun: the theme the other docs use
[20:09] <ahoneybun> odd
[20:11] <Riddell> ahoneybun: asking on kde-i18n-doc list would be the obvious way to find someone who could work it out
[20:19] <Riddell> Sho_: do you have any thoughts on bug 1423011 ?
[20:20] <Riddell> konversation default seems to be ~/logs while we've always changed that to ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs for some reason
[20:20] <Sho_> Riddell: Either you need to keep your override, or someone needs to write some migration code ... which is tricky
[20:22] <Sho_> Riddell: I've had a fairly long discussion with Harald about this and he was looking into something afaik
[20:22] <Sho_> Riddell: In the meantime we've spent our weekend time on fixing various Konvi release blockers and the VDG is working on fixing the icon mess right now and I'm about to send a mail to kde-i18n-doc to declare string freeze
[20:22] <Riddell> ln -s ~/logs ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs  can't be too hard to code :)
[20:23] <Sho_> Riddell: It's quite hard if Konversation doesn't know it was .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs the last time it ran
[20:23] <Riddell> mm
[20:23] <Sho_> or if the user manually reconfigured things and doesn't want the above
[20:26] <Sho_> Riddell: anyhow the plan is to release Konvi 1.6 final in very early April, before the April 9th deadline Harald gave me
[20:26] <Riddell> lovelyness
[20:34] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ping, do you have that pdf for KDE Plasma 5 Frameworks
[20:35] <Riddell> can anyone tell me if dolphin works in vivid?
[20:35] <soee> sure
[20:38] <Quintasan> Christ, getting a paper that says "Yes, this guy is a student" in English is borderline impossible
[20:39] <soee> uh.. even pirated windows version will get free update to windows 10 ;o
[20:40] <Quintasan> Good move by microsoft.
[20:41] <ahoneybun> soee: Quintasan I saw that, I was like holy crap
[20:43] <soee> ;]
[20:43] <sgclark> welp updated and reboot and went striaght to emergency mode
[20:43] <sgclark> straight
[20:44] <Riddell> sgclark: what is emergency mode?
[20:44] <Riddell> soee: so does it?
[20:44] <sgclark> gives me systemd options to view  journalctl which I am doing..
[20:45] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/
[20:45] <soee> Riddell: sddm ?
[20:45] <Riddell> soee: I'm after sddm being tested and dolphin
[20:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: looks lovely, maybe reduce the image size by about 1/2 (and link to full size)?
[20:45] <yofel> what's wrong with dolphin?
[20:46] <soee> Riddell: why dolphin migt not work ?
[20:46] <Riddell> yofel: soee: kioclient ls file:///  not working for me
[20:46] <soee> ahoneybun: remove blue background from images
[20:46] <Riddell> just like  kioclient ls baloosearch://?query=foo  doesn't
[20:47] <ahoneybun> soee: it is just where the images are positioned
[20:48] <soee> do not us eitalic font for image titles, make them bigger, lower fonr weight , my suggestions:)
[20:48] <yofel> Riddell: running that in Konsole lists /
[20:49] <Riddell> yofel: you up to date?
[20:49]  * Riddell out for a bit
[20:49] <yofel> just updated, but didn't restart my session
[20:49] <soee> QCoreApplication::postEvent: Unexpected null receiver
[20:49] <yofel> I get that too, at the end
[20:54]  * ahoneybun saves and goes to get something to eat
[20:57] <sgclark> Riddell: hm ok, this install is on a USB drive and evidently it does not like that. mount -a at the emergency boot resolved it.
[21:04] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: pong
[21:04] <ovidiu-florin> still around?
[21:14] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/tBWbqrlk/15-kub-wire-feed-in-news-section noted, I'll look into this
[21:14] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: To Do :: Kub. Wire Feed in News section ++ ]
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what platform is Wire using?
[21:18] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: WP
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: thank you
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: where is it hosted?
[21:23] <yofel> that Riddell will have to answer, not our server at least
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: what's the point of having 2 news sites?
[21:25] <yofel> I don't know. IIRC Riddell wanted to have some planet like thing for kubuntu, which gave bith to wire..
[21:27] <yofel> It has some sense if you consider kubuntu.org being for official news and wire being the blog collection
[21:27] <ronnoc> Yea that makes sense to me - .org news is all officiall-y and Wire is more extended community-y
[21:27] <ronnoc> yofel: you beat me to it :P
[21:28]  * yofel would like an endless-scroll theme on wire...
[21:29] <ovidiu-florin> why isn't this on the news site as well? http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=234
[21:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: asked (hinted me) about having a Kubuntu wire feed in the news section.
[21:30] <ovidiu-florin> So I come with the question, why have 2?
[21:30] <ronnoc> ovidiu-florin: I think the main .org site is for distribution news and Wire is more people / community?
[21:30] <ovidiu-florin> We can just use categories and tags to separate project news and community news
[21:31] <yofel> Riddell: right now yes
[21:31] <yofel> Riddell: nvm
[21:31] <ronnoc> If I were new to Kubuntu and just wanted to try it, I wouldn't want an endless news feed about community stuff, I would just want the latest version and update news. That's just my opinion, ofc.
[21:32] <ovidiu-florin> We can have 1 menu entry for official news, and one for Community news
[21:32] <ovidiu-florin> IMO we don't need 2 sites for this
[21:32] <yofel> that ^. and I don't think we could really do that with drupal. Now we could merge the sites maybe
[21:35] <ovidiu-florin> yofel ronnoc hovet over the community menu: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[21:35] <ovidiu-florin> we could have there a sub menu: Community News
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> which will have what wire has + Feed from Social media
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> Opinions?
[21:36] <kfunk> that page is looking great, btw :)
[21:36] <kfunk> when you're done please do one for kdevelop.org, too
[21:36] <ronnoc> Worth giving some thought to. I'm going to talk to mparillo about helping get material for the Wire, so hopefully it will become pretty active and social. Might be what Riddell envisioned when he mde it a separate site.
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin> BTW kfunk thanks for marking my duplicate today
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin> I believe the separate site is a result of bad Drupal
[21:39] <ronnoc> I second that - looks great. So under Community there will be included social media feeds + Wire? That seems like a good idea :)
[21:40] <ronnoc> I guess it's a good thing that the Wire is not all that old and established :)
[21:42] <mparillo> ronnoc: I think that might work, but maybe we (big we, like a community) should think about what should go on the Wire. I have not been dumping KDE or Ubuntu items there, so it is not that active.
[21:43] <soee> ok updated sddm will reboot
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> Maybe wire should stay a separate site from a security perspective.
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> More people should have access to publish there, and they don't need to have access to the main Kubuntu website
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> But we could restrict that with user based permissions
[21:46] <ovidiu-florin> WordPress has that capability
[21:46] <soee> Riddell: sddm works
[21:46] <ovidiu-florin> Only edit own articles, ony use that article category. I'm not sure about the second one
[21:50] <soee> oh Linux Kernel 3.19.2
[21:53] <yofel> grmbl, why is firefox CSS rendering so buggy
[21:54] <soee> oh ?
[21:57] <yofel> go to the news page and look at the search field with >= 1000px page width
[21:57] <yofel> the search button is below the input field
[22:01] <soee> what was the link to web ?
[22:01] <yofel> soee: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/news/
[22:04] <_Groo_> anyone with PRIME can test sddm? at least in utopic ci, if i use sddm it doesnt activate the dedicated card, if you go with lightdm and do xrandr --listproviders,you get both cards, if you switch to sddm, only the discrete card is activated. i believe this is a bug in the way systemd calls X. can someone confirm this in utopic/vivid?
[22:05] <_Groo_> i can live with it for utopic, but if this behaviour is still present in vivid, its a showstopper for kubuntu
[22:05] <ahoneybun> Back
[22:07] <soee> yofel: probably because FF includes border to element width
[22:08] <yofel> right...
[22:11] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ovidiu-florin  how does the feature tour look?
[22:12] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: firefox screenshot still has shaddow
[22:13] <ahoneybun> I must have forgotten that one
[22:13] <ahoneybun> Darn
[22:13] <ovidiu-florin> are you editing the page now?
[22:13] <ahoneybun> No I'm out eating at the moment
[22:14] <ovidiu-florin> This content is currently locked. If you take over, Aaron Honeycutt will be blocked from continuing to edit.
[22:14] <ovidiu-florin> you have the edit page opened
[22:14] <ahoneybun> I must have not logged out
[22:14] <ahoneybun> Let me check
[22:14] <ovidiu-florin> you dont' have to log out
[22:14] <ovidiu-florin> just close the edotr
[22:14] <ovidiu-florin> editor
[22:15] <ahoneybun> I shut the browser I think
[22:15] <ovidiu-florin> I took over
[22:16] <ahoneybun> OK cool
[22:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: feedback on the shaddow on the Gwenview screenshot
[22:18] <ovidiu-florin> please
[22:19] <ahoneybun> Oh OK let me load it
[22:19] <ahoneybun> Pretty cool
[22:19] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: what's with all the DIVs in that post?
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> why are they there?
[22:20] <ahoneybun> The gwenview?
[22:20] <ahoneybun> Not sure
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> I'd remove them
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> they seem uselsess to me
[22:20] <ahoneybun> I'm on mobile at the moment, I'll give more feedback once I'm home
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> and only clutter up the HTML
[22:20] <ahoneybun> Yea
[22:22] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: hint: if you have to use   to get proper spacing, you're doing it wrong
[22:22] <ovidiu-florin> use CSS
[22:22] <ahoneybun> Never did that
[22:24] <Streamstormer> _Groo_:  How can I switch between intel and nvidia with prime in vivid?
[22:25] <ovidiu-florin> have you copy pasted anything rfrom the old feature page?
[22:25] <_Groo_> Streamstormer: just do xrand --listproviders
[22:26] <ahoneybun> I believe I cleared it all out ov
[22:26] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ^
[22:26] <_Groo_> if you are using sddm + vivid and you see more then 1 provider you are ok
[22:26] <_Groo_> if not, well then we have a problem
[22:26] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: did you start from scratch?
[22:26] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: doesn't matter, now
[22:27] <Streamstormer> _Groo_:  nope I see only Intel
[22:27] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I did
[22:27] <_Groo_> Streamstormer: answering your question, you dont "switch" between them, discrete is always used for display, and the dedicated for 3d rendering on the go, so if you want to play a game, or whatever you do DRI_PRIME=1 app
[22:27] <_Groo_> Streamstormer: and you have 2?
[22:28] <ahoneybun> _Groo_: I have a similar setup to Streamstormer
[22:28] <ahoneybun> Intel video on board and a discrete nvidia
[22:28] <Streamstormer> _Groo_:  yes a GM108M [GeForce 840M] (rev a2)
[22:28] <_Groo_> ahoneybun: ok do the following test, go to a terminal and do service sddm restart (i believe thats it), X should restart, then login to kde as usual and do xrand --listproviders
[22:28] <_Groo_> you should see 2 or more now
[22:29] <_Groo_> or systemctl sddm restart
[22:29] <_Groo_> dont know which one, didnt upgraded to vivid yet
[22:30] <ahoneybun> _Groo_: not home
[22:30] <_Groo_> ohhh wait, you guys have nvidia? i only tested this with intel/amd using the opensource drivers which have support for prime... nvidia uses optimus which is different
[22:30] <_Groo_> optimus switches between mesa for intel and closed source opengl for nvidia
[22:32] <Streamstormer> _Groo_:  yes and this switch could be made in nvidia-setting. When I remember right
[22:32] <_Groo_> Streamstormer: and you need to restart X right?
[22:33] <Streamstormer> _Groo_:  hower this is not possible in vivid
[22:34] <Streamstormer> _Groo_:  yes
[22:35] <_Groo_> Streamstormer: different behaviour, with open source + prime you dont need to restart X, it just works by activating the card with DRI_PRIME=1
[22:36] <Streamstormer> _Groo_:  hm yes.
[22:40] <ahoneybun> I'm running beta 1
[22:42] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: please also remove the white border from the Gwenview screenshot
[22:42] <ahoneybun> There is no white border
[22:43] <ovidiu-florin> Then my chrome show's it to me
[22:43] <ovidiu-florin> even though I don't remember seing it before
[22:43] <ovidiu-florin> something is wrong
[22:44] <ahoneybun> Firefox shows it too
[22:44] <ahoneybun> But every screenie will show it
[22:44] <ahoneybun> When you add that shadow
[22:44] <ovidiu-florin> I think it's because of the shaddow
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: yeah, I've found the problem
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> the images have a transparent margin
[22:45] <ahoneybun> Yea
[22:49] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: can you remove them?
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> good night All
[23:22] <To24> Hi! I would like to ask... is there a Firefox 36 adapted to KDE?
[23:35] <Riddell> yofel: does  "kioclient ls baloosearch://?query=foo" return anything for you? and does "kioclient5 ls baloosearch://?query=foo"?
[23:36] <Riddell> yofel: please report those and file:/ to bug 1429960
[23:36] <Riddell> thanks
[23:36]  * Riddell sleeps
[23:43] <yofel> Riddell: it doesn't, but I don't have file indexing enabled...


[18:23] <IHS_intern> interested in LTSP, and I have a DHCP server I can't take down(county owns it, not us.) And we have 100mbit ethernet at best, so small labs are best anyways... any way I can setup LTSP and use one NIC to connect to the outside world, and the rest of the lab to use a second NIC?
[18:27] <sbalneav> IHS_intern: Yes
[18:27] <sbalneav> In fact, this is the preferred way.
[18:44] <IHS_intern> What would you say the lowest-end hardware that will run LTSP-booting ubuntu well?
[18:44] <IHS_intern> Not as the server, but as the client. We have some old Pentium MMXs in the back room....
[18:46] <sbalneav> How much ram?
[18:49] <IHS_intern> 32-128. 64 is common and an easy upgrade, 128 is easy to upgrade to. Able to get ~50 machines to 256.
[18:50] <sbalneav> if you can do 128 megs or better, you should be fine.
[20:47] <bencrisford> highvoltage: What is the process for becoming an ubuntu dev?
[20:47] <bencrisford> edubuntu dev*
[20:48] <bencrisford> I messed that up, ill try again
[20:48] <bencrisford> highvoltage: What is the process for becoming an edubuntu dev?
[20:49] <bencrisford> stgraber: ?
[20:50] <stgraber> you need to be an edubuntu member then justify that you have a good enough understanding of packaging to get the developer status
[20:50] <bencrisford> oh :/
[20:51] <bencrisford> stgraber: I didn't know sbalneav was an edubuntu member :)
[20:53] <LaserJock> highvoltage: looking for me?
[20:53] <bencrisford> LaserJock: I fixed that bug after all yesterday
[20:54] <bencrisford> I uploaded it as a patch, not sure if it my diff is right though
[20:54] <LaserJock> what bug #?
[20:54] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep, I'm just about to go to sleep though (pretty much exhausted)
[20:55] <LaserJock> highvoltage: sorry, was/am slammed trying to get a new chapter revision to my advisor
[20:56] <bencrisford> LaserJock: bug 306876
[20:57] <highvoltage> LaserJock: no problem, will talk to you tomorrow
[20:57] <LaserJock> bencrisford: you actually want to do a debdiff
[20:57] <bencrisford> LaserJock: Ah
[20:58] <LaserJock> bencrisford: so do debdiff gcompris_8.4.4-1.1ubuntu4.dsc gcompris_8.4.4-1.1ubuntu5.dsc > gcompris_8.4.4-1.1ubuntu5.debdiff
[20:58] <LaserJock> and upload that debdiff
[20:58] <LaserJock> highvoltage: we're doing EC tomorrow?
[20:59] <LaserJock> bencrisford: when you have something for me to do assign or at least subscribe me to the bug
[20:59] <bencrisford> LaserJock: I already subscribed the main sponsors
[20:59] <bencrisford> unles you wanna do it all?
[20:59] <bencrisford> because gcompris is in main i think
[20:59] <bencrisford> !info gcompris
[21:00] <LaserJock> well, the Main Sponsors tend to be a bit slow and there's more going on with the package
[21:00] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes
[21:00] <LaserJock> I'm unlikely to actually upload your debdiff straight
[21:00] <LaserJock> we need to merge the new version of gcompris in
[21:00] <LaserJock> and I'd probably apply your fix at that point
[21:03] <LaserJock> bencrisford: anyway, I'm just pointing out that if you'd like me to sponsor something the best way is to assign or subscribe me
[21:03] <bencrisford> LaserJock: Yeah, I guess :)
[21:03] <LaserJock> I gotta run now, see y'all tomorrow
[21:03] <bencrisford> LaserJock: How hard is it for one to become an edubuntu developer?
[21:04] <LaserJock> shouldn't be horrible
[21:04] <bencrisford> ok :)
[21:04] <LaserJock> I'm setting the technical requirements to be less than MOTU
[21:04] <bencrisford> ill keep fixing bugs ;)
[21:04] <LaserJock> basically something like Contributing Developer with an interest in Edubuntu
[21:04] <bencrisford> i was enquiring about ubuntu universe-contributor
[21:05] <bencrisford> apparently its like 2-3 months visible contribution
[21:05] <LaserJock> *however*, that definitely shouldn't turn you away from contributing to Edubuntu packaging
[21:05] <bencrisford> what shouldnt?
[21:05] <LaserJock> the ~edubuntu-dev team is for granting write permissions, not an exclusive club of the only people who can work on Edubuntu packages
[21:06] <bencrisford> i know :)
[21:06] <LaserJock> if you've got a fix or bzr branch we'll have a look
[21:06] <bencrisford> yeah :), ok
[21:06] <LaserJock> but since it's all gotta go through a MOTU/Core Dev anyway it's really not much of a barrier
[21:07] <LaserJock> I don't mind doing a quick check and uploading for people
[21:07] <bencrisford> ok :)
[21:07] <LaserJock> especially so that they can get some uploads under their belt for getting Contributing Developer ;-)
[21:07] <bencrisford> :)
[21:07] <LaserJock> anyway, gotta run
[21:50] <pygi> hi asanchez
[21:50] <asanchez> hi pygi
[21:50] <bencrisford> Hey asanchez, pygi
[21:52] <asanchez> pygi, we have discussed today at work about "google summer of code" clon for schools
[21:52] <nubae> hola asanchez
[21:52] <asanchez> hola nubae
[21:52] <pygi> asanchez: what did you conclude?
[21:52] <nubae> k tal por alli, empieza hacer calor?
[21:53] <asanchez> we are thinking about "software libre public contest"
[21:53] <asanchez> nubae, it's so hot here, it's making me less productive
[21:54] <asanchez> it's impossible to do nothing until 8pm
[21:54] <nubae> yeah, more air conditioning needed ;-)
[21:54] <asanchez> i only have air conditioned in computers room at home :D
[21:54] <nubae> heh
[21:56] <pygi> asanchez: interesting, can I know more? And can it map in my initiative?
[21:56] <asanchez> pygi, here in Andalusia we have one specific formation level about Applications Desing and Coding and another about System Administration
[21:56] <asanchez> sorry, phone
[22:07] <asanchez> pygi, are you thinking about a global initiative, isn't it?
[22:08] <pygi> asanchez:possibly, yes
[22:11] <asanchez> We are thinking about propose some little *free software* projects that people that are finish their formation could use as final project
[22:12] <asanchez> other people will have mentor role (could be teacher or anybody interested)
[22:16] <pygi> asanchez: that's cool
[22:17] <asanchez> pygi, we have to sell the idea to our politician boss
[22:17] <pygi> :p


[10:35] <mup> Bug #1996734 opened: wrong IP address for cache_peer in maas-proxy.conf on rack controllers <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1996734>
[15:17] <mup> Bug #1996734 changed: wrong IP address in several rack controller config files <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1996734>
[23:46] <Peter> Anyone successfully booted Debian 11 on MAAS? I get a key error for 'ID' when it tries to look for os_release


[06:33] <gdi2k> Greetings. I recently set up an Internet Cafe powered by Ubuntu in the Philippines. If you want to feature it or make a case study or anything, I'd be happy to give you details. I've posted an outline on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=621320
[18:58] <somerville32> Hey
[18:58] <somerville32> Anyone really well versed with Ubuntu trademark policy?
[20:00] <somerville32> Burgundavia, ping
[20:41] <Burgundavia> somerville32: pong
[20:42] <somerville32> Have you read http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/11/mpaa_university_toolkit_opens_1.html?nav=rss_blog ?
[20:44] <Burgundavia> somerville32: can't happen in Canada, due to our privacy laws
[20:44] <somerville32> It is using Xubuntu
[20:44] <somerville32> And I'm wondering if it violates Trademark policy
[20:44] <Burgundavia> oh, very cool
[20:45] <Burgundavia> no, they are using Xubuntu, not distributing it
[20:45] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, seems I actually need to read this article
[20:47] <somerville32> This are distributing it under a different name but they didn't change the logo and stuff
[20:47] <somerville32> If I booted it, I might mistake it for Xubuntu
[20:49] <desertc> Interesting stuff.
[20:49] <Burgundavia> somerville32: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:55] <Burgundavia> somerville32: however, they are violating the GPL by not distributing source
[20:56] <Burgundavia> somerville32: are you not copyright holder for some of the Xubuntu docs?
[20:56] <Burgundavia> sue them
[20:56] <somerville32> It costs a half a million dollars to even start a IP case
[20:56] <Burgundavia> SFLC will probably help you
[20:56] <Burgundavia> as will EFF
[20:56] <Burgundavia> I am actually fairly serious
[20:57] <somerville32> Unless they modified it, I doubt they're is a case
[20:57] <somerville32> *there
[20:57] <Burgundavia> don't need to be modified
[20:57] <Burgundavia> just need to distribute
[20:57] <Burgundavia> mepis got in trouble for this a while back
[20:57] <somerville32> I'm pretty sure that Canonical has offered their archive to allow for remixes like this
[20:58] <Burgundavia> http://www.mepis.org/node/10725
[20:58] <Burgundavia> somerville32: they might have, but they don't link to it
[20:58] <somerville32> I can't imagine I'm the only one who could sue then
[20:59] <Burgundavia> yep
[20:59] <somerville32> Lots of people from Debian and Ubuntu and everywhere else
[20:59] <somerville32> but I'd have to prove I had incurred a loss
[20:59] <somerville32> Which I have not
[20:59] <Burgundavia> no you don't
[21:00] <Burgundavia> but the MPAA is currently violating the license, even in Canonical allows their archive to be used
[21:01] <Burgundavia> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9113053102.html
[21:02] <Burgundavia> licenses, rather
[21:09] <Burgundavia> somerville32: this isn't the first time these scumbags have violated one of our licenses
[21:17] <magnetron> so what's the news on the MPAA xubuntu derivate?
[21:17] <desertc> Funny how they are so reluctant to read license restrictions when they make their money on people violating license their own licenses.
[21:17] <desertc> Is that irony?
[21:18] <somerville32> It is
[21:18] <somerville32> lol
[21:18] <magnetron> the thing is they'll get away with it unless someone files charges
[21:18] <somerville32> I see this as an awesome opportunity to promote an Xubuntu agenda.
[21:19] <magnetron> the open source community suing MPAA on copyright infringement, now THAT is irony
[21:20] <somerville32> The MPAA paid someone to do work on Xubuntu and I think we should see if we can harness that
[21:20]  * beuno thinks writing up a nice story and pushing it to digg/slashdot is a good start  :D
[21:20] <somerville32> (paid a company)
[21:21] <magnetron> i someone would take legal action, who would that be?
[21:21] <somerville32> First Canonical for trademark violation
[21:22] <somerville32> Than FSF for violation of licensing terms
[21:22] <somerville32> but I hope instead of going through the courts, they work with the MPAA
[21:22] <magnetron> why?
[21:23] <somerville32> Promoting OSS is more important sueing the big bad MPAA
[21:24] <somerville32> It isn't like they're trying to sell this or anything - they just aren't conforming to a few minor technicalities
[21:24] <Burgundavia> magnetron: anybody who has copyright can sue anybody who breaks the license
[21:25] <magnetron> could suing MPAA make a negative impact on the perception of OSS?
[21:25] <desertc> Sorry to butt in, but is it clear they are refusing to release the source code?  Maybe they are doing so on their website, or by mail, or on the CDROM
[21:25] <somerville32> desertc, The website is pretty blank
[21:25] <somerville32> And I agree, lets not jump the gun
[21:25] <somerville32> We could work with the MPAA here
[21:25] <somerville32> Piracy _is_ against the law as much as we would love for it not to be sometime :P
[21:26] <magnetron> somerville32: also, take into account what was the purpose of the kit - to spy on and shut down filesharers
[21:26] <magnetron> also, they could be sharing ubuntu cds
[21:26] <somerville32> magnetron, hmm?
[21:28] <magnetron> somerville32: a university student could, with this kit, loose his internet connection due to the fact that he was distributing ubuntu via bittorrent
[21:28] <somerville32> No no.
[21:28] <magnetron> anyone know any universities that got this letter?
[21:29] <somerville32> They could not lose their internet connection because they were using bittorrent
[21:29] <somerville32> This thing is just a remix of Xubuntu with monitoring tools
[21:30] <magnetron> somerville32: and it lists the most heavy users of file sharing
[21:30] <somerville32> File sharing isn't illegal
[21:30] <magnetron> somerville32: this tool lists them anyway
[21:31] <somerville32> Right and the university has a right to that information
[21:31] <Stormx2> Could someone fill me in on whats happening?
[21:31] <Stormx2> What are the MPAA violating?
[21:31] <somerville32> I would say Trademark
[21:32] <Stormx2> Where?
[21:32] <Stormx2> Lemme see
[21:32] <somerville32> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/11/mpaa_university_toolkit_opens_1.html?nav=rss_blog
[21:33] <magnetron> somerville32: guess how it will be used? Uni admin: "the internet is slow" - "let's check the piracy monitor" - "those 10 are the worst, shut them down"
[21:33] <somerville32> lol
[21:33] <somerville32> No, it won't work like that
[21:34] <somerville32> And it isn't a piracy monitor :P
[21:34] <magnetron> somerville32: that's how it is percieved
[21:34] <somerville32> To you.
[21:35] <magnetron> somerville32: check http://universitytoolkit.org/MPAA%20University%20Toolkit%20Overview.pdf page 2, the marketing material send to the universities
[21:35] <somerville32> One sec.
[21:36] <somerville32> Btw, if the network is slow and there is someone congesting it
[21:36] <somerville32> Why _not_ kill them?
[21:36] <somerville32> Hmm...
[21:36] <somerville32> That didn't quite come out right
[21:36] <magnetron> somerville32: because they are legitimate users, sharing ubuntu (or even xubuntu)
[21:37] <somerville32> Congesting the network for any reason doesn't seem legit to me
[21:37] <somerville32> And the thing tells them what they're transferring
[21:37] <magnetron> somerville32: stop chatting! you are congesting my network!
[21:37]  * somerville32 stops chatting.
[21:37] <magnetron> somerville32:                                                             The program cannot distinguish
[21:37] <magnetron> between legal and illegal activity and does not identify the titles of the files being passed
[21:37] <magnetron> across the network.
[21:38] <somerville32> It identifies the type
[21:38] <magnetron> somerville32: that was from http://universitytoolkit.org/
[21:38] <magnetron> somerville32: "bittorrent" is just not enough info
[21:38] <somerville32> And besides, people aren't going to just disable people because they're using P2P software
[21:39] <somerville32> magnetron, It doesn't say just "bittorrent"
[21:39] <somerville32> It tells them the file type (ie. real video, windows media format, etc.)
[21:39] <magnetron> somerville32: it doesn't say "ubuntu cd iso" either
[21:40] <somerville32> magnetron, What is your point?
[21:40] <somerville32> If they wanted to block torrent, they'd just do so
[21:40] <somerville32> They aren't going to wait and see who uses it before blocking people individually
[21:42] <magnetron> somerville32: my point is that this monitoring kit, based on xubuntu, can get ppl blocked from the net for sharing xubuntu. and mpaa violates the licences and trademark restrictions while doing it
[21:42] <somerville32> Should we remove the tools in this remastered distro from our archives too then?
[21:44] <magnetron> somerville32: as long the users follow the license, no. but if they violate the license, they have no longer any right to use it.
[21:44] <magnetron> plain gpl