[00:06] <maxb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/237724
[00:06] <maxb> Seems relevant
[00:06] <elmo> !
[00:15] <spitfire_> fuck
[00:15] <spitfire_> maxb: is there a way to upload pre-compiled package to ppa?
[00:16] <elmo> spitfire_: no
[00:16] <elmo> maxb: thanks for the pointer; I've reopened the bug
[02:00] <thomasdelbeke> Hi
[02:00] <thomasdelbeke> was this the channel
[02:01] <thomasdelbeke> or was it ubuntu bugs
[02:15] <MTecknology> I created a project, created a series, but I can't find where to start adding code
[02:16] <nhandler> MTecknology: You probably want to host the code in a bzr branch
[02:16] <MTecknology> ya
[02:16] <MTecknology> oh...
[02:16] <MTecknology> i see now :)
[02:17] <MTecknology> no
[02:17] <MTecknology> Do I also need to create a team for it?
[02:18] <cody-somerville> no
[02:18] <nhandler> Unless you are the only person who will be pushing to the branch, you might want to make a team
[02:19] <MTecknology> there will be about 5 or 6
[02:20] <nhandler> MTecknology: Then you should probably create a team where these 5 or 6 people are members. Then, make the team the owner of the bzr branch
[02:20] <MTecknology> ok, ty
[02:20] <nhandler> You're welcome
[02:20] <MTecknology> wow - LP is starting to get complicated
[02:21] <MTecknology> easy if you know what you're doing - but there's getting to be a LOT to this thing
[02:21] <MTecknology> either that or I was just blind to all of it before
[02:22] <MTecknology> what do I put in for a Project
[02:22] <nhandler> For what? The bzr branch?
[02:22] <MTecknology> Owner is the team, Name is 1.0, and Project is main?
[02:22] <MTecknology> ya
[02:22] <nhandler> Project is your project on LP
[02:23] <MTecknology> The resulting location of the branch will be: ~scribed/scribed/1.0
[02:23] <MTecknology> I want the project name repeating twice?
[02:23] <MTecknology> oh - because it's team...
[02:23] <rockstar> MTecknology, are you registering a hosted branch on Launchpad?
[02:24] <MTecknology> ya
[02:24] <rockstar> MTecknology, don't register hosted branches.  Just push it.
[02:24] <MTecknology> oh
[02:24] <rockstar> So in the branch, just do `bzr push lp:~scribed/scribed/1.0`
[02:25] <MTecknology> what if I did it already?
[02:25] <rockstar> MTecknology, I have a personal vendetta against registering hosted branches.  It's confusing.
[02:25] <MTecknology> ok
[02:25] <rockstar> MTecknology, then you'll have to `bzr push --overwrite lp:~scribed/scribed/1.0`
[02:25] <MTecknology> How's this look? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~scribed/scribed/1.0
[02:25] <MTecknology> I've always done --use-existing-dir
[02:25] <nhandler> rockstar: I've always registered and then pushed (unless creating a lot of branches). What is the downside to doing this?
[02:26] <rockstar> nhandler, the downside is that you have an extra step.
[02:28] <MTecknology> does the way I have it look good?
[02:30] <nhandler> rockstar: True, but for one branch, I don't find it too inconvenient. If I am doing bulk branch creation, I do skip the registration step
[02:31] <MTecknology> Now that I've done it once, I like it
[02:31] <rockstar> nhandler, but it's an unneccessary step.
[02:31] <nhandler> rockstar: But it does make it easier for people who aren't as familiar with bzr.
[02:31] <rockstar> nhandler, registration of hosted branches will one day go away, and there will be an explanation for getting a hosted branch up.
[02:32] <rockstar> nhandler, if you register first, then you have to specify --overwrite.  If you have to specify all these flags, you might as well use git.
[02:32] <nhandler> rockstar: Why not just have the registration page simply spit out the bzr push command to use? I think that is a a nice compromise
[02:33] <rockstar> nhandler, that's basically what it'll do.  "Want to create a hosted branch?  bzr push lp:blah/blah/blah"
[02:33] <nhandler> :)
[04:23] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there
[04:23] <thomasdelbeke> anyone home?
[04:24] <thomasdelbeke> OK, looks like the channel is dead
[04:24] <thomasdelbeke> not to mourn
[04:24] <thomasdelbeke> tomorrow is another day
[04:36] <lfaraone> Hi, I seem to be getting a failed build error because of PPA 404s, any idea why/how I can fix this? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21587499/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.abiword_2.6.4-5ubuntu2~ppa1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[04:47] <loic-m> Is there any way to force an upload to my ppa when uploading a modified package, but with same version as an already uploaded package?
[05:05] <rockstar> loic-m, no.
[05:19] <loic-m> Is there a solution (short of artificially bumping the version)? I've uploaded it as 0ubuntu1 and would like to upload a revised package as 0ubuntu1~ppa1
[08:09] <cemc> hi. are there some logs to the PPAs, to see if anybody's using ones PPA ?
[08:09] <cemc> one's*
[08:11] <persia> cemc, Not that are made available to PPA owners.
[08:11] <cemc> i see. thanks
[08:27] <stdin> cemc: https://launchpad.net/+builds
[08:27] <stdin> oh, wait
[08:27] <stdin> no
[08:27] <stdin> misread
[08:28] <cemc> yea, i ment if there are some logs or stats or something
[08:31] <stdin> I thinks there a bug report about that somewhere
[08:32] <persia> There are a couple bug reports, about the general class of "please expose statistics" for PPAs, for distros, for branches, for +downloads, etc.
[08:32] <stdin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/139855
[08:33] <persia> From what I've previously heard, this is something being discussed generally, rather than with reference to specific bugs (although it will probably go back to bugs if/when it gets implemented).
[08:34] <stdin> the report hints at the fact that it'd be difficult to gather that information, which I can imagine
[08:36] <persia> Well, it's hard to be accurate.  It's not hard to generate a lower bound of downloads.
[08:37] <persia> Well, except for the disconnect between ppa.launchpad.net and the other bits :)
[10:07] <thekorn> hi, is staging.launchpad.net down for everyone else, or just for me?
[10:07] <kiko-afk> thekorn, isn't it daily restore time?
[10:08] <thekorn> kiko-afk, I don't know, but maybe,
[10:08] <thekorn> will try again later today
[10:08] <kiko-afk> I think it is. we're trying to reduce that window -- I had a crazy idea with COW snapshots etc
[10:10] <thekorn> at least a message or something whould be really cool
[10:11] <kiko-afk> I'm looking into this..
[12:34] <ia> hello. i've uploaded package in ppa, it has been accepted, and it has been compiled successfully; but there is some errors in debian/ files, so i've deleted package from PPA, after sometime package has been deleted completly from ppa server, but now, when i try to upload fixed version, i get message via email about rejection, because package "is already accepted in ubuntu/jaunty and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to m
[12:34] <ia> odify the source version and re-upload.". But there is no should be some additional source modifications or version name changes. so, could you tell me, please, how can i upload package?
[12:38] <persia> ia, You need to use a higher version number for each upload.
[12:39] <persia> e.g. if you start with something like 1.2.3-0ppa1, you'd then upload something like 1.2.3-0ppa2 with your packaging fixes.
[12:42] <ia> persia: so, there is no any way to upload the same version twice, even the first one has been deleted completely, right?
[12:43] <persia> Nope.
[12:43] <persia> Well, there is, but it's *very* complicated, and you have to bribe the admins: better to increase the version.
[12:46] <ia> persia: :-) ok, thanks
[14:47] <dereine> hi, is it allowed to host configs on launchpad?
[14:49] <savvas> configs such as?
[14:50] <dereine> .bashrc .foorc
[14:51] <dereine> to share them with other people
[14:52] <persia> dereine, Just create a bzr branch at lp:~dereine/+junk/configfiles with them.  As long as you license them with a license LP accepts, it ought be fine.
[14:53] <dereine> persia: wow thx
[14:53] <dereine> i expected its only allowed to host real projects thx!
[14:54] <persia> The special +junk project is specifically designed for bits and bobs that don't belong in a real project.
[14:54] <persia> Since it exposes a private namespace for you to name branches however you want, you can put anything you want there.
[15:16] <lfaraone> Hi, can https://edge.launchpad.net/~sugar please be deleted? (requested by owner)
[15:24] <maxb> lfaraone: for reasons of authentication, delete requests are (obviously) not acceptable over irc!
[15:24] <maxb> You need to file the request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[15:26] <lfaraone> maxb: OK.
[15:28] <lfaraone> maxb: also, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sugarteam is listed as using a LP mailing list but it is currently unused, we are usign ubuntu-sugarteam instead. how hard would it be to migrate?
[15:28] <lfaraone> maxb: filed: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/58573
[15:29] <maxb> I'm not a Canonical person, I'm just repeating the advice I'm seen them repeatedly give here :-)
[15:29] <maxb> * I've
[15:30] <lfaraone> maxb: Understood.
[16:00] <asabil> hi all
[16:01] <asabil> is this supposed to work: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/jaunty/vala ?
[16:07] <beuno> asabil, not yet
[16:07] <asabil> oki
[16:35] <mok0> How can I delete a blueprint?
[16:37] <persia> mok0, You can't.
[16:38] <mok0> I can't retarget it either, that doesn't work
[16:39] <mok0> I accidentally created a blueprint under "launchpad" namespace and it wont allow me to retarget it for "ubuntu", it claims the bp already exists under "launchpad".
[16:39] <mok0> My reply is: I KNOW that, that's why i am trying to move it!!
[16:39] <mok0> Grrr
[16:44] <persia> Oh, I believe they can be retargeted with a question.
[17:07] <mok0> persia: with a question?
[17:08] <persia> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[17:09] <persia> To put it another way, I suspect someone can tweak the right bits to retarget a spec.  Deleting causes other issues.
[17:12] <mok0> I see.
[17:12] <mok0> Thanks
[17:37] <dereine> i pushed now this branch, https://code.launchpad.net/~dereine/+junk/configfiles but there is no possiblity to see the files or anything else
[17:38] <persia> dereine, I can see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Edereine/%2Bjunk/configfiles/annotate/head%3A/.vimrc
[17:38] <persia> Try clicking "Source Code" from the branch overview page.
[17:42] <dereine> ah it needs some time
[17:42] <dereine> thx
[18:33] <jkakar> Do any of the code hosting guys know if the failures for this import are fixable?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/libtorrent/trunk
[18:34]  * rockstar looks
[18:35] <rockstar> jkakar, looks like a cert problem.
[18:35] <jkakar> rockstar: Yeah.  I was wondering if it was something you already knew about, or just random crapiness.
[18:36] <rockstar> jkakar, we've seen a bunch of SSL certs change recently.  Not sure what's going on.
[18:36] <rockstar> This is probably the 4th or 5th time I've seen it in the last two weeks.
[18:36] <jkakar> rockstar: Ah, interesting.  While I've got your attention, another of my vcs-imports has been failing forever: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gdb/trunk
[18:36] <rockstar> jkakar, it can probably be fixed, but will require a LOSA or mwhudson.
[18:37] <jkakar> rockstar: Cool, thanks.
[18:38] <rockstar> jkakar, the gdb one I have no idea about.  I'm willing to admit that vcs-imports need to be really worked on, because they fall over so often.
[18:38] <jkakar> rockstar: Yeah, well I bet it's a super tricky problem space. :)
[18:39] <rockstar> jkakar, I'm actually planning on doing some hacking on cscvs today, so I'll try and find the cause of that one.
[18:39] <jkakar> rockstar: The gdb one I suspect is CVS evilness.  It's an old repo and you know that the kind of person that hacks on GDB is also the kind of person that will manually "fix" their revisioned data. :)
[18:39] <jkakar> rockstar: Awesome, thanks!
[18:39] <rockstar> Yes, CVS is evil, but cscvs usually does alright with CVS stuff.  :/
[18:39] <jkakar> Aye.
[19:23] <dereine> how can i pull my current working branch to a version on a remote branch?
[19:24] <dereine> sry wrong channel
[19:31] <shilbert> Hi all, how can one contact launchpad admins ?
[19:45] <Ursinha> shilbert, what do you need?
[19:45] <persia> shilbert, Get lucky asking here, or file a question as answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[19:51] <shilbert> Usrsinha: There is something wrong with my key in launpad and I need to have it removed so I can reupload it.
[19:54] <dnyy> I got a rejection email while uploading to PPA that isn't listed in the common errors secton.  It says "
[19:54] <dnyy> Unable to find distroseries: unstable. Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error.
[19:54] <dnyy> Sorry about the cutoff, irssi does that sometimes when I copy/paste. ;o
[20:07] <persia> dnyy, There's no series "unstable" in Ubuntu against which you can build.  Try selecting "hardy", "intrepid" or "jaunty".
[20:09] <dnyy> ah, my bad, thanks.
[21:28] <Laney> Is anyone working on the current timeouts? OOPS-1120EB734 for example.
[22:37] <mib_q3893gop> hi
[22:37] <mib_q3893gop> Does anyone know what the Ubuntu installer package is called?
[22:39] <charlie-tca> mib_q3893gop: there are two, one on the alternate cd and one on the liveCD
[22:39] <mib_q3893gop> What's the one called on the LiveCD?
[22:42] <mib_q3893gop> charlie-tca:What's the one called on the LiveCD?
[22:42] <charlie-tca> ubiquity
[22:45] <mib_q3893gop> Yes! That's the one
[22:45] <mib_q3893gop> Thanks
[22:48] <charlie-tca> no problem.


[02:38]  * ianorlin hopes the meeting anouncment wasn't forgotten
[02:39] <DonkeyHotei> it's not 7 yet and i'm still at berkeleylug so it's conceivable i may miss the meeting
[02:40] <DonkeyHotei> i will at least be very late to it
[02:41] <MichaelPaoli> DonkeyHotei ... there are worse places to be stuck.  It does at least have rather good food, and fairly reasonable prices, reasonable access to AC power, and quite good Wi-Fi.  I did a work from 'home' day there once, mostly there ... not all that bad (but noise, etc., can sometimes be rather distracting).
[02:41] <nhaines> I don't see any point in sending a meeting announcement via email 18 minutes before the regularly scheduled meeting, but feel free to do it!
[02:42] <nhaines> I'm going to have to set up Google Calender reminders or something for the future.
[02:42] <DonkeyHotei> the noise is literally making me sick by now
[02:43] <philipballew> what noise DonkeyHotei ?
[02:43] <MichaelPaoli> nhaines I believe it's also on: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=caj9iea2ol69b7n2uqdek4ocso%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles ... though there is also fair bit more on that (and I believe Lyz also has edit access on that calendar).
[02:43] <darthrobot`> Title: [SF Bay Area Open Source/Linux Events]
[02:43] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: i already get those via berkeleylug's calendar
[02:45] <MichaelPaoli> DonkeyHotei It's actually SF Bay Area Open Source/Linux Events calendar - essentially supersedes and supeset of what was the BerkeleyLUG calendar ... though it's also viewable (embeded) on the BerkeleyLUG site.  The old BerkeleyLUG calendar still exists, but was updated quite a while ago to mostly just refer to the SF Bay Area Open Source/Linux Events calendar.
[02:46] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: well, now I have meeting reminders 4 days, 1 day, and 1 hour before.
[02:46] <MichaelPaoli> DonkeyHotei Yes, it can get *very* loud a Bobby G's ... particularly with sports goop on the big TV displays.  Good ear plugs can come in handy.
[02:47] <DonkeyHotei> people are watching tennis, football, and basketball atm
[02:48] <DonkeyHotei> !seen eps
[02:48] <Eureka> Factoid seen eps not found
[02:48] <darthrobot`> DonkeyHotei: Error: "seen" is not a valid command.
[02:48] <DonkeyHotei> ah well
[02:55] <nhaines> Okay, meeting in four minutes!
[03:00] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[03:00] <nhaines> Oh good, the wiki's down.
[03:01] <ianorlin> o/
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> i just saw it minutes ago
[03:01] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> there is one item on the agenda
[03:01] <darthrobot`> Meeting started Mon Jan 26 03:01:17 2015 UTC.  The chair is nhaines. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[03:01] <pleia2> o/
[03:01] <nhaines> #chair ianorlin elky_ nhaines
[03:01] <darthrobot`> Current chairs: elky_ ianorlin nhaines
[03:01] <nhaines> Hello everyone!  And welcome to the second Ubuntu California Meeting of 2015!
[03:02] <nhaines> The agenda for tonight's meeting is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15January25
[03:02] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15January25 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:02] <nhaines> Before we begin, it's my sad duty to announce that one of our members, eps, passed away last week.
[03:03] <DonkeyHotei> it's unclear when
[03:03] <nhaines> That he passed in his sleep will hopefully hold some small comfort to all of his friends, and it's obvious that he touched quite a few enthusiast communities, of which we were lucky enough to be one.
[03:03] <DonkeyHotei> i had attempted to reach him by phone around the 5th-6th and he was already gone
[03:04] <nhaines> I've talked to the person organizing the memorial service and I'll be sure to post to the mailing list once details are available.
[03:05] <ianorlin> o/
[03:05] <pleia2> thanks nhaines
[03:05] <pleia2> it's quite a blow to our community, I'll miss him a lot
[03:06] <nhaines> It was mentioned that the memorial service has way more people intereted in attending than expected, so that's just one sign of how widely he was respected.
[03:06] <nhaines> #topic Ubuntu California website improvements
[03:07] <nhaines> First up on the agenda, pleia2 had some suggestions for our website.
[03:07] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-01-25 05:42:31 PM PST] <DonkeyHotei> no one can fill his shoes
[03:07] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-01-25 05:46:54 PM PST] <pleia2> yeah, that's for sure
[03:07] <pleia2> right, so ian-weisser created this find-a-task tool for http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/find-a-task/
[03:07] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Community | Find a Task]
[03:08] <pleia2> there's code up on github to make it work, but unfortunately that's not synced up to the community.ubuntu.com site, which sadly is manually updated through the wordpress interface
[03:08] <pleia2> so I'd proposed to possibly use the same one they do, but we can't
[03:09] <pleia2> we could use it to create one of our own though, with our own tasks, like suggesting people host an ubuntu hour or go to an event or sign up for our mailing list
[03:09] <nhaines> It's a pretty neat tool.  A user can use it to find areas of Ubuntu they might be interested in participating.
[03:09] <rww> o/
[03:09] <nhaines> I think it sounds like a great idea.
[03:09] <ianorlin> I like the idea of it
[03:09] <pleia2> just a thought, it's low maintenance and makes the site a bit more interesting
[03:10] <rww> Our cat escaped, we're a little late (we got him back, though he's whining now)
[03:10] <nhaines> rww: he once tasted freedom, and will never forget.
[03:10] <pleia2> hehe, cats
[03:10] <elky_> hi
[03:11] <nhaines> elky_: glad you and the bitey monster could make it.
[03:11] <elky_> he's been out before. he apparently got scared and sat out in the carpark confused as to what to do
[03:11] <pleia2> I don't have a lot of time in the next couple weeks (travel next weekend, Global Jam weekend after) so if someone else wants to toss up a more solid proposal for this with ideas please feel free
[03:11] <nhaines> Well, I don't see any reasons we shouldn't add the find-a-task tool to our website.
[03:11] <pleia2> otherwise I can get to it later in february
[03:11] <nhaines> pleia2: do we expect the community.ubuntu.com data to be added to github any time soon?
[03:11] <pleia2> https://github.com/ian-weisser/asknot
[03:11] <darthrobot`> Title: [ian-weisser/asknot · GitHub]
[03:11] <ianorlin> yeah this is nice but not exactly urgent
[03:11] <pleia2> nhaines: no, I had a ranty discussion about it earlier this week ;)
[03:12] <nhaines> Oh good!  :)  Please link me after the meeting if it's on a ML.  :)
[03:12] <pleia2> "they just maintain it through wordpress" "you can view the source code!"
[03:12] <nhaines> Ah, business as usual.
[03:12] <pleia2> yeah, it's an irc channel discussion, but I can dig it up later
[03:13] <nhaines> Great.  Maybe I can poke at people about it because it might be a good general tool for LoCos.
[03:13] <nhaines> Does anyone feel differently about adding this tool to our website?
[03:13] <elky_> it'll get better the more places it is used, so i don't have a problem with it
[03:13] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-January/000408.html has some info that should help folks add it to their own site
[03:13] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu community volunteer board [UPDATE 4]]
[03:14] <nhaines> Oh, that's super useful.  Perfect!
[03:14] <nhaines> Semi-related to this topic, does anyone know how the California forums are holding up?
[03:15] <elky_> on the ubuntu forums?
[03:15] <nhaines> Right.
[03:15] <elky_> no clue
[03:15] <pleia2> they're one of the few loco forums that still exist, mostly because we keep posting meeting minutes
[03:15] <rww> Mostly dead, pleia2 gets notified when there are updates, and meeting minutes still happen
[03:15] <pleia2> most loco forums were shut down, but ours was flagged as active
[03:15] <rww> (this came up recently)
[03:15] <nhaines> That's basically what I thought.
[03:15] <nhaines> pleia2: can you get traffic information for ubuntu-california.org?
[03:16] <elky_> sounds like us touching it is basically flogging a dead horse then
[03:16] <pleia2> nhaines: sure, action me to set up webalizer
[03:16] <DonkeyHotei> perhaps it was flagged as active _because_ of the minutes?
[03:16] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: yep
[03:17] <nhaines> #action pleia2 will set up webalizer and report on traffic numbers for ubuntu-california.org
[03:17] <darthrobot`> ACTION: pleia2 will set up webalizer and report on traffic numbers for ubuntu-california.org
[03:17] <nhaines> Thanks, pleia2.
[03:17] <pleia2> sure thing, should be able to get that done this week, pretty straight forward
[03:17] <nhaines> I'd like to consider closing the forums and maybe spinning up a Discourse instance we could point to through ubuntu-california.org.
[03:17] <DonkeyHotei> too bad we can't get traffic numbers for the launchpad pages
[03:17] <philipballew> +1 for Discourse
[03:17] <nhaines> The mailing list is just for advocacy, and should remain as such.
[03:18] <nhaines> But a Discourse forum could be for California Ubuntu users.
[03:18] <philipballew> The Facebook page is the best tool we have currently though.
[03:18] <DonkeyHotei> well the ML also repeatedly gets people asking for help
[03:18] <philipballew> It is the best tool for marketing we have
[03:18] <nhaines> And that's a misuse of the mailing list.
[03:19] <nhaines> With Discorse, people who hate forums can subscribe in the form of a mailing list, and everyone else gets a really nice Web-2.0 dicussion platform.
[03:19] <DonkeyHotei> it may be a misuse but it can't realistically be avoided
[03:19] <nhaines> So I think that's worth looking into.
[03:19] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: it can if we have a place for support requests.
[03:19] <pleia2> philipballew: I don't agree, most of our posts get single digit "views"
[03:19] <pleia2> facebook is one of our worst tools, twitter is much better, then probably G+ and our mailing list
[03:19] <ianorlin> Yeah I think mainly people just post minutes there not many read them
[03:20] <philipballew> pleia2, That is a valid point. Don't we have more subscribers there then twitter though?
[03:20] <philipballew> subscribers might be the wrong word here
[03:20] <nhaines> #action nhaines will email the mailing list about retiring the Ubuntu California forum and additionally considering a Discourse forum to replace it.
[03:20] <darthrobot`> ACTION: nhaines will email the mailing list about retiring the Ubuntu California forum and additionally considering a Discourse forum to replace it.
[03:20] <rww> subscribers doesn't matter if nobody reads it
[03:20] <pleia2> rww: ++
[03:20] <nhaines> rww: ++
[03:21] <ianorlin> rww++
[03:21] <philipballew> rww, Of course, but because we already have the subscribers we can easily get them to read it.
[03:21] <rww> I note that discourse is Ruby, so if we don't have any Ruby stuff set up on ubuntu-california.org yet you'd need to dive into that mess^W
[03:21] <nhaines> With the way Facebook works today, I'm not sure it'd be easy to improve that.
[03:21] <pleia2> unless you pay
[03:21] <pleia2> I'm always getting prompted to "boost" posts with $$$
[03:21] <elky_> rww: you could probably find somewhere offering ruby hosting for open source projects
[03:21] <nhaines> pleia2: yes, and that's a waste of money in my opinion.
[03:22] <pleia2> nhaines: agreed
[03:22] <pleia2> rww: I don't think nhaines was proposing we host our own discourse forum
[03:22] <rww> pleia2: okays. I misread, then
[03:22] <pleia2> http://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/local-teams
[03:22] <darthrobot`> Title: [Local Teams Topics - Ubuntu Discourse]
[03:22] <pleia2> they have a loco section
[03:22] <ianorlin> yes the pay for views is only good for facebook
[03:22] <nhaines> Well, first we decide if we want one.
[03:23] <elky_> i always hated the splintering of communities between fora
[03:23] <rww> Ah. I see Discourse's subforums are as discoverable as Ubuntu Forums.
[03:23] <philipballew> I think that its important to use our social media tools we have to market Ubuntu as much as we can. Not just try to cater towards the people who might be at this meeting or the people who care about Discourse.
[03:23] <nhaines> Discourse isn't social media.
[03:23] <pleia2> rww: yeah, you really have to be an existing user to understand it, but that's how it goes :)
[03:23] <pleia2> it's a way to reach discourse members, I'd say
[03:24] <rww> philipballew: That requires ongoing effort for each social medium, and traditionally some of them have not had that.
[03:24] <philipballew> Exactly, and shouldn't more time be put into spreading Ubuntu, and not just catering to people who already have their Ubuntu systems?
[03:24] <nhaines> If we think we could use a discussion forum, I would be willing to self host it, starting in probably April.
[03:24] <pleia2> right now, G+ is the only social media I get any help with (thanks rww)
[03:25] <rww> rww stopped doing G+ :P
[03:25] <pleia2> I'd be delighted if people came up with strategy and offered to help :)
[03:25] <pleia2> right, so I don't get any help right now
[03:25] <pleia2> :P
[03:25] <rww> Facebook has one post this month, three posts last month, nothing in November...
[03:25] <pleia2> yeah, I don't like facebook so I tend to do twitter and G+ and "oh facebook is loading slow I'll do it later"
[03:25] <pleia2> then, never
[03:26] <rww> Not saying we need to do better, saying we're perhaps spreading a bit thin. But I'm totally the wrong person to express an opinion about social networking.
[03:26] <elky_> how much of this stuff could be solved with a push service (posts to twitter, facebook, etc) and do these exist for g+ yet or are they still unable?
[03:26] <nhaines> Yeah, I don't use, like, or understand Facebook, so I'm thrilled if someone wants to take that on, but it's not going to be me.
[03:26]  * DonkeyHotei gets a thought that the most literal way to spread ubuntu is by introducing computer-less people to it
[03:26] <philipballew> I think if we posted more on the posts, showed cool news articles and all around marketing the community for potential people.
[03:26] <pleia2> elky_: I've tried several revisions of that (one stops working, hunt for another) but then I gave up
[03:26] <elky_> :(
[03:26] <rww> philipballew: who is "we" there
[03:27] <rww> elky_: G+ doesn't have a write API yet as far as I know
[03:27] <pleia2> G+ still lacks a useful API for such things, facebook pages or groups or whatever we have are horrible at x-posting to (it's easier for facebook user accounts)
[03:27] <elky_> rww: lol
[03:27] <philipballew> rww, If we need people to do social media, I am happy to post things to get people more involved or see.
[03:27] <nhaines> elky_: it's a design decision.
[03:27] <elky_> nhaines: it's still lol
[03:27] <philipballew> The Lug I am a part of has five or six posts a day and there are only about 50 or so of us on our Facebook page.
[03:28] <nhaines> elky_: yes, and annoying, but at least it's on purpose.  :)
[03:28] <philipballew> But we are a "group"
[03:28] <elky_> philipballew: is it actual topical stuff or a heap or re-shares of memes and other recycled material?
[03:29] <rww> Good, sounds like we need to get you added to social media accounts philipballew so that you can help out pleia2 and co with it.
[03:29] <elky_> i mean, is it original content or not?
[03:29] <philipballew> elky_, haha, I did not plan to post too many memes no.
[03:29] <elky_> philipballew: i'm asking about your 50 person group
[03:29] <ianorlin> I am not sure posting the same thing someone saw earlier will help that much
[03:29] <nhaines> philipballew: can you look into how our social media groups are being used and come up with a plan to improve them so we can get people assigned to that?
[03:30] <philipballew> https://www.facebook.com/groups/gultij/10152965388721049/?ref=notif&notif_t=group_activity
[03:30] <darthrobot`> Title: [Redirecting...]
[03:30] <philipballew> thats the group I was talking about elky_
[03:30] <pleia2> on facebook ours is a page, we used to have a group too but it wasn't used so I think it was shut down (or just abandoned)
[03:30] <elky_> it wants me to log in to facebook, no thanks
[03:30] <rww> "You must log in to continue."
[03:30] <rww> lol facebook
[03:30] <elky_> can you answer my question yourself?
[03:30] <pleia2> nhaines: I think a proposal is a good idea
[03:30] <philipballew> nhaines, Yeah, I can do that, and probably by the next meeting easily come up with a paper on all to do.
[03:31] <pleia2> thanks philipballew!
[03:31] <nhaines> philipballew: that would be super.
[03:31] <nhaines> #action philipballew will look into how our social media groups are being used and come up with a plan to improve them.
[03:31] <darthrobot`> ACTION: philipballew will look into how our social media groups are being used and come up with a plan to improve them.
[03:32]  * philipballew adds that to his tdl
[03:32] <nhaines> Okay.  So that's good news.  Thanks, philipballew.
[03:32] <nhaines> I guess I'll bring up Discourse on the mailing list, too.
[03:33] <rww> i guess we'll
[03:33]  * rww puts on sunglasses
[03:33] <rww> discourse about it there
[03:33] <nhaines> rww: should've been "discourse it there".  C+
[03:33] <nhaines> Does anyone else have any comments on our website or other online presence while we're on the topic?
[03:33] <rww> I can still read the website with JavaScript turned off so it is not Web 2.0 enough.
[03:34] <ianorlin> I don't have anything more on website
[03:34]  * DonkeyHotei gets a thought that the most literal way to spread ubuntu is by introducing computer-less people to it
[03:34] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: is that somehow related to our online services?
[03:34] <DonkeyHotei> it is to social media
[03:35] <elky_> is the rest of the discussion going to be SCaLE?
[03:35] <nhaines> elky_: mostly.
[03:35] <elky_> because we haven't eaten yet and dinner is half cooked :3
[03:35] <rww> can we do the non-SCaLE stuff first so we can stop paying attention :P
[03:35] <DonkeyHotei> scale wasn't actually on the agenda this time though
[03:35] <pleia2> the Ubuntu Global Jam in San Francisco is coming up in 2 weeks (earlier in the day from our next meting)
[03:35] <elky_> wasn't it?
[03:35] <elky_> i figured it would be
[03:35] <ianorlin> oops
[03:35] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2984-ubuntu-california-san-francisco-qa-jam/
[03:35] <nhaines> I think this is all the non-SCaLE stuff other than UGJ.  :P
[03:35] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu California San Francisco QA Jam | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:36] <pleia2> please RSVP, I think strangers are scared by the empty RSVP list
[03:36] <DonkeyHotei> doesn't mean nobody will show up
[03:36] <ianorlin> #topic ubuntu-global-jam
[03:36] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: it does mean that the event can't be planned appropriately.
[03:36] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: does make it hard to order enough food
[03:36]  * rww doubles the attendee list with elky's help
[03:37] <pleia2> thanks elky_ and rww :)
[03:37] <philipballew> Ubucon is going to be hella tight for sure
[03:37] <philipballew> just so you know
[03:37] <nhaines> I sent out emails to all North American LoCo teams last night regarding UGJ, so hopefully we start seeing more event popping up.
[03:37] <pleia2> nhaines: so did balloons
[03:37] <pleia2> 2 days ago
[03:38] <rww> which i got because lolidkwhy
[03:38] <pleia2> I was like "this looks familiar..."
[03:38] <rww> (probably loco-contacts@)
[03:38] <nhaines> pleia2: I hadn't heard from him and hadn't received anything so I went ahead and did it, so yay.
[03:38] <rww> if you didn't get it and i did, maybe his list is out of date
[03:38] <nhaines> So all NA LoCo teams are on notice.
[03:39] <pleia2> also, if anyone else in the state decides to do one: http://mhall119.com/2015/01/ubuntu-loco-team-global-jam-packs/
[03:39] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu LoCo Team Global Jam Packs | Michael Hall]
[03:39] <pleia2> I didn't request a pack, I have leftover pens + stickers from another event, and I had already put in a cash request to cover food (approved!)
[03:39] <nhaines> Canonical *really* wants LoCo teams to take advantage of that, so please do order *early* this week if you want one.  You don't even have to be an Ubuntu member for this.
[03:40] <nhaines> pleia2: I know your UGJ event will be successful, so I look forward to hearing about it so we can really push harder on that next cycle.  :)
[03:40]  * pleia2 will take many pictures!
[03:40] <nhaines> \o/
[03:41] <philipballew> nhaines, Me and the Ubuntu users here in San Diego are not programing wizards. What is the point for us to have a global jam then if we can not "jam " anything?
[03:41] <philipballew> or maybe pleia2 might know that answer?
[03:41] <elky_> you can report stuff without being a programmer
[03:41] <pleia2> we're doing manual testing, no programming remotely involved
[03:41] <elky_> you don't need to know how to program to know when a UI is confusing
[03:41] <nhaines> philipballew: I don't know anyone who programs during UGJ, usually it's bug triaging, Q&A testing, documentation jams... there are a lot of different ways to get together and work on Ubuntu.
[03:41] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam#Things_to_do
[03:41] <nhaines> Canonical's trying to convince teams to do Ubuntu App Dev schools...
[03:41] <darthrobot`> Title: [UbuntuGlobalJam - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:42] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks, didn't have that at my fingertips.  :)
[03:42] <philipballew> nhaines, qa and bug triaging require a knowlege of code.
[03:42] <pleia2> we're doing it earlier this cycle, Documentation Team *always* needs help
[03:42] <pleia2> qa requires no knowledge of code
[03:42] <rww> philipballew: No they don't. But if you think they do, write documentation.
[03:42] <elky_> philipballew: no they don't
[03:42] <ianorlin> not always
[03:42] <nhaines> Bug triaging requires no knowledge of code.
[03:42] <philipballew> alright
[03:42] <elky_> philipballew: the last place i worked at, the project manager did bug triage
[03:42] <nhaines> Triaging starts with finding unverified bugs, reproducing them, and marking them "triaged" if they really exist, or invalid if you need more info.
[03:43] <elky_> ^
[03:43] <nhaines> SUPER easy, quick to do, and good low hanging fruit for new members.  Also SUPER useful for developers.
[03:43] <ianorlin> actually I think it is incomplete if need more info not invalid
[03:43] <ianorlin> invalid is when the bug doesn't exist
[03:43] <philipballew> ah, the last place I worked at bug triaging was attempting to fix the bugs.
[03:43] <nhaines> ianorlin: even better.
[03:43] <philipballew> Then I quit and got a job as a bus driver. It pays more.
[03:43] <pleia2> fixing is something else entirely :)
[03:43] <elky_> philipballew: your last place was misguided
[03:44] <pleia2> triage == stop bleeding until the surgeon can take a look
[03:44] <pleia2> anyone can apply pressure to the wound :)
[03:44] <nhaines> Okay, so now that we've established there's no excuse not to host a UGJ, everyone should think about doing so.  ;)
[03:44] <pleia2> and I might owe the world a blog post on this topic
[03:45] <pleia2> in my free time!
[03:45] <nhaines> pleia2: your blog posts are always jam-packed with information.  :)
[03:45] <pleia2> I try :)
[03:45] <philipballew> some locos do an online global jam, and if you can not host one in your area, that is always an option.
[03:45] <nhaines> #action pleia2 will write helpful things in her copious free time.
[03:45] <darthrobot`> ACTION: pleia2 will write helpful things in her copious free time.
[03:45] <pleia2> haha
[03:45] <elky_> lol
[03:45] <DonkeyHotei> …
[03:45] <elky_> ok what's left on the agenda?
[03:45] <nhaines> Okay, so lots of things to discuss on the list coming out of this meeting.  Let's move on.
[03:45] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[03:46] <nhaines> SCaLE's not listed, but it's coming up behind UGJ, and things are coming together nicely.
[03:46] <elky_> well ok i have an item
[03:46] <elky_> i have a 1" badge press
[03:46] <nhaines> Oh yeah.  Go for it, elky.
[03:46] <elky_> it is probably more useful elsewhere
[03:46] <elky_> where would be the best place?
[03:46] <rww> and she's been here 9 months and i've literally never seen it, so it's not like we'll miss it
[03:47] <elky_> he's seen the box. i'm pretty sure he's tripped over it.
[03:47] <elky_> rww: it's the one that's a4 size and breaks your toes
[03:47] <nhaines> Thus depriving everyone else in here of context for size.
[03:48] <ianorlin> what is a badge press?
[03:48] <rww> ianorlin: it makes badges
[03:48] <nhaines> Well, if no one's jumping at it, might be another good ML item.
[03:48] <elky_> ianorlin: it makes round buttons that have a pin on the back that you attach to things
[03:48] <nhaines> ianorlin: it crimps laminated lapel pins.
[03:48] <pleia2> cool
[03:48] <ianorlin> ah
[03:48] <elky_> http://www.ecplaza.net/trade-leads-seller/button-pin-press-machine-blank--4110187.html would be an example of a badge press
[03:48] <darthrobot`> Title: [Button Pin Press Machine, Blank Badge, Button Pin Set Manufacturer, Supplier & Exporter - ECPlaza]
[03:49] <rww> so you can make badges like "i have made significant and sustained contributions to Ubuntu and all I got was this badge press"
[03:49] <philipballew> Can we get Mark Shuttleworth to work the booth nhaines ?
[03:49] <elky_> lolololol
[03:49] <rww> "and it cost me thousands of dollars in USCIS payments"
[03:49] <nhaines> philipballew: sure, I'll just call him up on the red line.
[03:49] <philipballew> Thats off nhaines, he gave me a green line?
[03:49] <nhaines> I think we have to use the aubergine line now.
[03:50] <nhaines> Okay, well, thanks muchly for the offer, and let's bring that to the mailing list I think.
[03:50] <philipballew> "Ubuntu  what can brown do for you"
[03:50] <pleia2> elky_: I have a tiiiiny home, but I'd be up for craft weekend of creating some team pins for things some day
[03:50] <DonkeyHotei> brown can deliver installation media
[03:50] <nhaines> pleia2: luckily they are tiny machines.  :)
[03:51] <elky_> pleia2: it's the kind of thing we could tack on to an installfest of sorts i think
[03:51] <rww> ubuntu global button jam
[03:51] <pleia2> elky_: even better
[03:51] <pleia2> hehe
[03:51] <philipballew> I installed ubuntu on this laptop off of my Fedora flash drive.
[03:51] <elky_> anyway we need to go do domestic things
[03:51] <pleia2> I wonder if gandi has a color printer we could use
[03:51] <pleia2> "I attened UGJ"
[03:51] <pleia2> except with the right spelling, else oof
[03:51] <elky_> hehe
[03:52] <pleia2> I need beer^Wfood soon too
[03:52] <nhaines> Okay, I'll let you two work that out.  :)
[03:52] <nhaines> I'd like to get this wrapped up by 8, as is my usual wont.
[03:52] <elky_> we could probably wrap now unless someone else has something
[03:52] <nhaines> SCaLE's looking good.  Canonical is providing Ubuntu polo shirts for all booth volunteers, assuming that's less than 11.
[03:53] <nhaines> Which means that if you're going to be at the booth you need to sign up immediately.
[03:53] <elky_> yay
[03:53] <pleia2> nice work
[03:54] <nhaines> Jorge Castro is also bringing an orange box and will be able to talk about Juju, MAAS, and presumably snappy Ubuntu Core, and José will also be around to discuss Juju and snappy Ubuntu Core.
[03:54] <ianorlin> 5 are signed up currently
[03:54] <elky_> nhaines: we might even send some badges your way ;)
[03:54] <nhaines> elky_: lol, that would be nice!
[03:54] <elky_> i think the magnets in the box are probably pretty useless by now, but we'll see
[03:54] <philipballew> also dont forget to attend Ubucon.
[03:54] <nhaines> pleia2: can you handle the conference pack for this?  It's about time for that now.
[03:55] <philipballew> Because it is gonna be hella tight for sure.
[03:55] <elky_> so you said.
[03:56] <nhaines> Ubucon is taking place on Friday, February 20th, and while we're not really involved much with that this year, we're going to be working together a lot more closely in the future.
[03:56] <philipballew> nhaines, Sometimes they dont send them out as quick when you do it online, so I always just called them.
[03:56] <philipballew> but we have time.
[03:57] <nhaines> mhall119 threatened to ship me SCALE things to drive in with, so I'm sure if we need to get expedition they'll be sympathetic.  But we still need to make the request. :)
[03:57] <philipballew> elky_, heck yeah I did!
[03:57] <philipballew>  :)
[03:57] <pleia2> nhaines: apply for scale conference pack now?
[03:57] <nhaines> pleia2: however conference packs are usually done.  You're the team contact.  :)  I'll PM you after the meeting.
[03:57] <pleia2> okie
[03:58] <elky_> ok i'm off guys, gotta make dinner
[03:58] <nhaines> Oh, I have the exhibitor pack for SCALE and we have a stunning booth, so this is the year to make things count.
[03:58] <pleia2> elky_: enjoy
[03:58] <nhaines> So I'm going to be working on some booth layout and will post more about it on the ML.
[03:58] <nhaines> And that's all I've got for now.
[03:59] <nhaines> Are there any other announcements before we end the meeting?
[04:00]  * ianorlin has nothing more
[04:01] <nhaines> Me either.  Alrighty, I'd like to thank everyone for attending tonight!
[04:01] <nhaines> Let's get on the ML and continue being awesome.  :)
[04:01] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[04:01] <darthrobot`> Meeting ended Mon Jan 26 04:01:52 2015 UTC.
[04:01] <darthrobot`> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-01-26-03.01.moin.txt
[04:01] <ianorlin> #endmeeting
[04:04] <DonkeyHotei> curiously, the ip address at bobby g's matches a channel ban in #kubuntu
[04:08] <DonkeyHotei> actually, the offending ban is on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:16] <rww> That's... interestingly wide. I'll see if I can get it corrected.
[04:18] <rww> (in the meantime you can just change you ident, but yeah, that ban's a bit faily regardless)
[04:20] <DonkeyHotei> he changed it, in case you didn't see
[04:22] <rww> should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads up.
[18:56] <Telendrith> Good morning *s*
[18:57] <ianorlin> hi Telendrith
[18:59] <DonkeyHotei> hewwo
[19:00] <Telendrith> Hi, I'm sorta new to this community
[19:00] <pleia2> welcome Telendrith
[19:01] <Telendrith> oO
[19:01] <Telendrith> I've seen your name somewhere.
[19:02] <Telendrith> I think it was some perl documentation or something
[19:03] <pleia2> could be, I used to do a lot of Perl (I work as a sysadmin)
[19:03] <pleia2> mostly Python these days though
[19:05] <Telendrith> Ah, nice. Cool. I was trying to work on a perl irc bot in junction with a arduino anemometer (wind meter) and weather station, but my coding skills are about as good as my cooking, and I burn popcorn :/
[19:05] <Telendrith> I think I say your username when I was looking into that
[19:06] <DonkeyHotei> there are pretty mature perl bots in existence
[19:06] <DonkeyHotei> the main perl channel has one
[19:06] <pleia2> Telendrith: ah yes, I've written some perl scripts for irssi
[19:07] <pleia2> I'm sure they're all terrible, I'm not much of a programmer :)
[19:07] <ianorlin> last thing I really made was a bash script that told you the difference in your time from utc
[19:08] <pleia2> I'm a big fan of date -u
[19:08] <pleia2> but really I just have UTC time in my Xfce panel
[19:08] <ianorlin> yeah I use that in the script and send stuff to bc
[19:08] <DonkeyHotei> i find it regretful that i don't do all the coding i used to
[19:11] <Telendrith> That's actually funny, I never really thought about time as a variable when we're making the 6 weather stations.. 4 in CA, and two in TX and I never thought about the time difference :|
[19:12] <DonkeyHotei> wunderground.org is a great source of weather data for irc bots
[19:19] <blitz> lots of sites these days just return date-time in UTC and then minutes +/- from UTC for local time
[19:20] <blitz> well, that's atleast how threat metrix does it and I thought it was smart
[19:39] <rww> I have munin polling wunderground for outside temperatures, it works really well.
[19:40] <DonkeyHotei> rww: using the api, or screen-scraping?
[19:40] <rww> DonkeyHotei: API
[19:40] <DonkeyHotei> the api is b0rked
[19:41] <rww> how so?
[19:42] <DonkeyHotei> it cannot poll weather stations *within* a zip code, just within a large area
[19:42] <rww> ah. doesn't really matter for the sort of thing i use it for, but that could be annoying indeed
[19:43] <rww> Meanwhile, for people interested in Ubuntu Phone stuff, here are the specs for the bq offering: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2015/01/26/ubuntu-phone-specs-2/
[19:43] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Phone Specs. « Full Circle Magazine]
[19:43] <DonkeyHotei> here is using the api: Weather for San Francisco, CA | Temperature: 56°F / 13°C; Humidity: 72%; Pressure: 30.05in / 101.7kPa; Conditions: Mostly cloudy; Wind: East, 5mph / 8kph; Updated: 47 mins, 9 secs ago | Forecast for Monday: Partly cloudy; High of 64°F / 18°C; Low of 52°F / 11°C | Forecast for Tuesday: Chance of rain; High of 61°F / 16°C; Low of 48°F / 9°C
[19:44] <DonkeyHotei> here is using screen-scraping: The current (wunderground) temperature in Westwood, San Francisco, California is 58.1°F (11:42 AM PST on January 26, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
[19:46] <DonkeyHotei> rww: what, no lte?
[19:46] <rww> As far as I can tell, it's inferior to the Nexus 5 in every way. I guess they're going the Firefox OS route.
[19:47] <rww> (which didn't work well for FxOS)
[19:48] <DonkeyHotei> i REALLY want a smartphone with a hardware dialpad
[23:03] <nhaines> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58497419.jpg
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[23:04] <pleia2> bwahaha
[23:05] <nhaines> So thanks to mhall119 for posting the image, and too bad for Jono for drawing my attention to it.  :)
[23:05] <nhaines> rww: you'd be surprised how well a phone OS can run without a java virtual machine under everything.
[23:11] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: but lte
[23:13] <nhaines> Not that big a deal in Europe.  HSPA+ is really fast and is everywhere.
[23:14] <DonkeyHotei> my phone has HSPA+ and it doesn't seem so
[23:15] <nhaines> Well the antenna must be pretty good to be reaching cell towers in Europe.
[23:18] <DonkeyHotei> reaching the HSPA+ towers here (i've had it since before t-mo did lte)
[23:21] <nhaines> This phone launch has no regard for US cellular networking.  It's predicated on European service.
[23:22] <nhaines> It's not available for purchase in the US and will not work on US 3G or 4G frequencies, at last report.
[23:23] <philipballew> Can I buy a ubuntu phone in europe now?
[23:23] <rww> don't worry, nhaines will buy two (one for each hand) and just wifi them
[23:23] <nhaines> When they launch.
[23:23] <nhaines> rww: I can tether through my Nexus 5!
[23:23] <pleia2> they work on Edge :)
[23:24] <pleia2> you all and your fancy 3 and 4gs
[23:24] <nhaines> pleia2: nothing like a lowest common denominator.  :)
[23:24] <pleia2> hehe
[23:25] <DonkeyHotei> eps won a nokia N9 in nokia's raffle at i forgot what event (i think uds-q) and it was hspa+ too (i say was because everything he owned is getting thrown out)
[23:29] <philipballew> I have a burner phone.
[23:29] <philipballew> Might not be that cool, but it lasts
[23:29] <philipballew> me and eps always talked about how we had similar phones.
[23:34] <DonkeyHotei> my jaw just dropped when he won the raffle
[23:35] <philipballew> DonkeyHotei, I remember. I laughed.
[23:36] <philipballew> The man, The myth, The legend. May he live on in our hearts.
[23:38] <DonkeyHotei> emphasis on legend


[08:20] <dpm> good morning all
[13:29] <serfus> i have encountered in a error which i don't know how to deal with
[13:29] <serfus> "
[13:30] <serfus> 'msgstr' is not a valid Python format string, unlike 'msgid'. Reason: The character that terminates the directive number 1 is not a valid conversion specifier."
[13:30] <serfus> on https://translations.launchpad.net/lernid/trunk/+pots/lernid/he/13/+translate
[13:49] <dpm> serfus, oh, it's because gettext does not yet support the new style of python string formatters :( The developers should use old style replacements...
[13:50] <serfus> dpm, so it's a bug?
[13:51] <dpm> serfus, it should be reported as a bug, since it makes the string untranslatable
[13:51]  * serfus is going to report
[13:55] <dpm> serfus, feel free to subscribe me to the bug
[13:56] <serfus> i will add the ubuntu translation project as affected so it will subscribe the translation coordinators
[13:57] <dpm> serfus, please don't add the ubuntu-translations project, as Lernid is not part of the main repository
[13:58] <serfus> oh right
[13:58] <dpm> it's in universe, so it cannot be translated as part of the Ubuntu project in Launchpad
[13:58] <dpm> it can just be translated as a standalone project
[13:59] <serfus> okay so i will subscribe only you
[14:15] <dpm> thanks serfus :)
[14:22] <serfus> dpm, i would appreciate it if you will have a look to see if i got it right
[14:22] <serfus> thanks!
[14:24] <dpm> serfus, which bug number was it?
[14:25] <serfus> dpm, Bug #792364
[14:25] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 792364 in lernid "string 13 is not translatable (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792364
[16:07] <yurchor> Can the Bug #792364 be caused by the mistakingly parsed percent sign in "% of"? When I've translated Lernid I just left it as is and it works.
[16:07] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 792364 in lernid "string 13 is not translatable (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792364
[17:29] <kelemengabor> hi dpm, should I open Oneiric translations now? Is it my job to announce it too?
[17:33] <dpm> hi kelemengabor, I was going to send an e-mail to the u-t-c list, but since you're here, it's even better :) So here's the situation: the import queue looks good, I've got an announcement blog post draft and I've requested the oneiric langpack exports to be enabled. I'm still waiting for this request to be processed, so I'm not sure whether we should announce it today or wait until Monday. I think we could do it today, though, what do you think?
[17:35] <kelemengabor> well, it would be great if we could have the first langpacks out at the same time
[17:35] <kelemengabor> also, I'm not in a hurry
[17:39] <dpm> ok, then we leave it until Monday. pitti was away today and he's back on Monday, so it might also be best that he's around to double check the langpacks are ok
[17:39] <kelemengabor> okay
[17:39] <dpm> cool, let's sync up on Monday then
[17:39] <dpm> thanks
[17:39] <kelemengabor> then I'll generate some bugspam during the weekend :)
[17:41] <kelemengabor> one question about that: we have lots of old l10n bugs with the status Fix Committed. Do you think it is safe to mark them as Fix Released without asking teams to double check?
[17:57] <dpm> kelemengabor, I think if they are not a lot, it might be better to ask the teams in a bug comment and mark the bugs as incomplete. If the teams are then unresponsive, the bugs will auto-expire after a while. Another alternative would be to send an e-mail to the mailing list and ask teams to mark their bugs as released (if it applies). It's easy to see the bugs assigned to each team, e.g.:
[17:57] <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-es
[17:58] <kelemengabor> there is about 80 of these
[18:01] <dpm> then I'll leave the decision to you as bugmaster :) In any case, I think even if you decide marking them as fix committed, it might be worth sending the e-mail to the translators list. If teams then go and mark the bugs as fix released themselves, it will save you some clicking :)
[18:02] <kelemengabor> hm, good idea :)
[18:04] <dpm> kelemengabor, btw, do you know about https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface ? It's quite handy when triaging bugs, I tend to use it more and more. For example, to assign a bug to a team, I just reply to the bug e-mail adding:
[18:04] <dpm>  status triaged
[18:04] <dpm>  importance low
[18:04] <dpm>  assignee ubuntu-l10n-hu
[18:04] <dpm> (note the required space at the start of each sentence)
[18:04] <kelemengabor> not really
[18:34] <serfus> looks like Bug #451673 is still valid in natty
[18:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 451673 in yelp (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Untranslated Yelp main page (Ubuntu Help Center) (affects: 7) (dups: 1) (heat: 52)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451673
[19:37] <kelemengabor> serfus: that's impossible, yelp's main page was completely replaced in Natty with a more easily translatable one
[19:42] <serfus> i can't check now but i will check again tomorrow


[17:49] <kilde__> Please help. When I print from a pdf, it is not printing properly. It prints within a portion of the corner of the paper. How to correct this?


[07:40] <hoover> morning folks
[07:43] <daubers> Woot, just 231MiB left till my local mirror's downloaded for oggcamp
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> daubers: that's like 2 minutes download time
[07:58] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Not while downloading all the Ubuntu CD isos and all the Fedora isos :)
[07:59] <daubers> Need to grab the kubuntu isos too
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> daubers: time for fibre ;)
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> daubers: (I'm assuming disk bandwidth isn't the issue on your setups ;))
[08:01] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Definatley not :) It's just interwebs bandwidth
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[08:42] <popey> Morning!
[08:44] <daubers> o/
[08:51] <GreenDance> Hi, does the system memory clean it's cache by itself?
[08:51] <GreenDance> i.e. is there a set time for it to happen?
[08:52] <GreenDance> i ask because if i type free -t -m the used space doesnt seem to go down
[08:52] <Myrtti> uk today \o/
[08:55] <GreenDance> I have to force clean cache for the used memory to go down :\
[08:55] <GreenDance> strange
[08:59] <popey> GreenDance: why would you want to force clear the cache?
[08:59] <daubers> GreenDance: It'll cache some IO stuff for a while in order to speed up disk access on frequently used files
[08:59] <GreenDance> oh
[08:59] <daubers> GreenDance: Also, if you force flush the cache, make sure you "sync" first
[08:59] <GreenDance> so it's normal for the used memory to be high-per-say
[09:00] <daubers> GreenDance: "high" is a relative term :)
[09:01] <GreenDance> Used: 428mb, after flush, 161mb
[09:01] <GreenDance> big difference ?
[09:02] <popey> why do you care?
[09:02] <daubers> GreenDance: That would probably be normal
[09:02] <popey> cache is something the kernel manages
[09:03] <GreenDance> popey, I was trying to compare how much memory is used by ubuntu to xubuntu to lubuntu
[09:03] <GreenDance> popey, I've read some stories before that gnome is a memory hog
[09:04] <GreenDance> popey, so I was trying to see for myself
[09:05] <Myrtti> unless you really run out, its not a problem
[09:06] <GreenDance> the reason I was trying to compare was because some stories I've read say ubuntu is suitable for old pcs while others say it isn't
[09:07] <GreenDance> popey, ?
[09:09] <GreenDance> daubers, what do you think?
[09:10] <davmor2> morning all
[09:10] <popey> what are you trying to run it on GreenDance ?
[09:11] <GreenDance> morning davmor2
[09:11] <GreenDance> popey, P3 500, 256mb ram
[09:11] <davmor2> just need to send out a mail to see if the lug want to meet in wolvo town center tonight I'm going to say not but hey they might surprise me :D
[09:17] <GreenDance> why do the ubuntu team try to shove so many extra programs onto the cd installed?
[09:17] <GreenDance> i.e. why can't their just be a bare bone install of ubuntu
[09:17] <Myrtti> why not fill it?
[09:17] <Myrtti> there is always minimal install
[09:17] <GreenDance> Myrtti, why fill it?
[09:18] <Myrtti> !minimal
[09:18] <GreenDance> Myrtti, that's a long winded way to get a bare bone install though
[09:18] <popey> http://twitpic.com/63trpj
[09:18] <popey> ^^^ new 3G dongle
[09:18] <GreenDance> popey, P3 500, 256mb ram
[09:19] <popey> GreenDance: they dont "shove" "extra" programs on the CD
[09:19] <popey> there's one mail client, one browser, one office suite, one network connectivity tool
[09:19] <popey> GreenDance: I wouldn't run Ubuntu on that
[09:19] <brobostigon> GreenDance: i would try debian on a machine that minimal, ubuntu may still be way to heavy.
[09:19] <GreenDance> popey, when I mean "shove" i mean the standard ubuntu install is full to the brim of a cdr
[09:19] <Myrtti> lubuntu
[09:19] <oimon> +1
[09:19] <GreenDance> does it have to be?
[09:19] <popey> GreenDance: yes, and if we could fit more on it we would
[09:19] <brobostigon> or that Myrtti, yes :)
[09:20] <popey> GreenDance: other distros are available
[09:20] <oimon> or maybe just a cli with 256mb ram
[09:20] <GreenDance> popey, but why?
[09:20] <popey> because people want it
[09:20] <popey> people want a functional live cd
[09:20] <popey> if you dont, then use something else
[09:20] <popey> or spin your own iso image
[09:20] <GreenDance> popey, but it's not giving people choice of who want to use ubuntu
[09:20] <Myrtti> because people need a browser, email client and an office suite...
[09:21] <popey> software centre is pre-installed
[09:21] <popey> plenty of choice
[09:21] <Myrtti> GreenDance: as I said, there is always mini.iso
[09:21] <popey> I think you're missing the point of ubuntu
[09:21] <oimon> most people are running on substantially better hardware than 10yr old machine..you can get 5yr old machines for free if you look around
[09:22] <GreenDance> popey, yes software centre is pre installed, that's lots of choice, but surely it would be better to allow people the choice during install say "Full Install" or "Minimal Ubuntu Install" (Gnome)
[09:22] <popey> I disagree
[09:22] <GreenDance> popey, how so?
[09:23] <popey> I disagree that your proposal would be "better"
[09:23] <GreenDance> popey, say for example somone wanted ubuntu and just firefox, nothing else, they need to go through the process of uninstalling everything else if they only want gnome and firefox
[09:23] <davmor2> GreenDance: you can try lubuntu or xubuntu on a machine that minimal
[09:24] <popey> GreenDance: so the whole ubuntu cd should be tailored for that _one_ use case?
[09:24] <popey> (it's not a common use case)
[09:24] <oimon> GreenDance: it seems that you are in the minority. however ubuntu allows you to make your own "respin" of customised ubuntu.
[09:24] <popey> indeed
[09:25] <popey> and ubuntu can be configured in a kiosk mode, which boots directly to a browser if you want it
[09:25] <oimon> i've done that and it isn't much work either
[09:26] <GreenDance> oimon / popey , let's say 1,000 sys admins go to install ubuntu in their businesses, there boses say, just a system os and browser, each then have to spend the time to re-spin ubuntu before installing on the machines
[09:26] <Myrtti> mini.iso
[09:26] <popey> again, not common
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> they'd have to anyway, for centralized authentication, etc.
[09:26] <popey> or use mini iso as Myrtti suggests
[09:27] <GreenDance> the problem with the mini cd is the time it takes to re-spin it
[09:27] <Myrtti> errr
[09:27] <Myrtti> no.
[09:27] <popey> re spin?
[09:27] <GreenDance> build a custom iso
[09:27] <popey> why would you respin a 50Mb CD
[09:27] <popey> thats not what the mini iso is for
[09:28] <Myrtti> mini installs the minimal system
[09:28] <popey> the alternate cd has the option to install a minimal system too
[09:28] <popey> and you can then "apt-get install firefox" :D
[09:28] <Myrtti> after that it is trivial to have it install what you want
[09:28] <GreenDance> popey, what about gnome?
[09:28] <popey> what about gnome?
[09:29] <Myrtti> oh man...
[09:29] <oimon> this is a pointless discussion
[09:29] <GreenDance> popey, with a minimal install, if you install ubuntu-gnome (i've forgot the name) it installs a full ubuntu system
[09:29] <GreenDance> games etc...
[09:29] <popey> no
[09:29] <popey> ubuntu-desktop does
[09:29] <popey> "Other packages are available"
[09:29]  * Myrtti goes to finish packing her luggage
[09:30] <GreenDance> popey, is there just a package for a basic gnome 2.30?
[09:30] <popey> probably, yeah
[09:31] <GreenDance> I've never been able to locate it
[09:31] <GreenDance> it must be hiding somewhere
[09:31] <daubers> GreenDance: gnome-desktop-environment                                    - The GNOME Desktop Environment
[09:31] <daubers> !info gnome-desktop-environment
[09:31] <popey> looks good
[09:31] <GreenDance> 48 kB?
[09:31] <GreenDance> :D
[09:32] <oimon> it's a meta pacakge
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> GreenDance: metapackage
[09:32] <GreenDance> thanks for that daubers
[09:32] <daubers> GreenDance: It's a meta package, will depend on all the other bits
[09:32] <oimon> This package depends on the standard set of applications that are part of the official GNOME release
[09:32] <oimon> apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment
[09:33] <daubers> GreenDance: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/662493/ <- shows what it depends on
[09:33] <ali1234> GreenDance: i fully agree with you
[09:33] <ali1234> and btw, software centre is worse than no choice at all
[09:34] <oimon> anyone who has the desire to do this , also has the expertise to get the alternate installer cd and do what they wish
[09:34] <GreenDance> thank you ali1234
[09:34] <ali1234> the alternate installer makes me lol
[09:34] <ali1234> customizing each and every installation manually... yeah right
[09:37] <ali1234> it's the exact same brush off that users have been getting over desktop environments, actually
[09:37] <ali1234> "oh, you don't like unity or gnome 3? well, you should just use a terminal then, you would like that"
[09:37] <popey> oh please
[09:37] <popey> the vast majority of people dont need a custom install
[09:37] <oimon> other desktop environments are only an apt-get away
[09:37] <popey> those that do (cited by GreenDance as IT professionals) have sufficient clue to do it
[09:38] <ali1234> apparently there's no middle ground, you either use the plastic clown scissors, or the machete, we can't have *anything* in between
[09:38] <daubers> ali1234: You do, of course, have the choice to fork gnome and keep it maintained
[09:39] <popey> There's plenty of room in between
[09:39] <popey> I was citing two main groups
[09:39] <GreenDance> daubers, fork gnome, that would be a headake, as so I've read.
[09:40] <daubers> GreenDance: Indeed, but the option is there. There is nothing physically stopping someone from doing it. They just have to accept that most application developers will probably move across to the new toolkits
[09:40] <daubers> so they'll need to backport
[09:40] <ali1234> daubers: the necessity of forking gnome is yet another false dichotomy
[09:40] <daubers> ali1234: Never said it was necessary, just said you have the choice :) You're putting words in my terminal now
[09:41] <oimon> i think kde4 might have beautified a bit. kde 3.5 continuation project AKA trinity is looking ugly http://www.trinitydesktop.org/screenshots.php
[09:41] <GreenDance> popey, personally what I can't understand is, during the ubuntu install, if someone selected "Ubuntu, Gnome, Firefox" why can't the ubuntu installer simply purge the extra's from the live image?, then we have the middle, more people have more choice, surely that can't be hard to include into the cd installer?
[09:41] <daubers> GreenDance: And you confuse newer uses as to what "Gnome" is?
[09:41] <oimon> GreenDance: heard of debian?
[09:41] <GreenDance> oimon, of course
[09:41] <oimon> sounds more up your street
[09:42] <oimon> ubuntu + gnome + firefox doesn't sound like ubuntu to me
[09:42] <GreenDance> ali1234, seems to be the only one who understands me
[09:43] <GreenDance> oimon, the point i'm trying to make is allow easy choice
[09:43] <oimon> if i don't like banshee or shotwell i have an easy choice
[09:43] <oimon> apt-get remove
[09:43] <daubers> GreenDance: But that's not easy as it increases the initial learning curve for new people and non-technical people (i.e. the majority)
[09:43] <oimon> ever wondered why/how the ubuntu install image isntalls so quickly?
[09:44] <popey> GreenDance: I understand you, I just disagree
[09:44] <GreenDance> grab the latest ubuntu, no hastle, insert cd, minimal desktop enviroment, job done
[09:45] <daubers> GreenDance: "Ubuntu is rubbish because I can't open my documents from Windows", "Ubuntu is rubbish because it can't deal with my Photos like $otheros does"
[09:45] <davmor2> GreenDance: easy choice of WHAT!  there are a bunch of cd's kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, server, minimal, mythbuntu and ubuntu studio  Those are just the official ones there are others on top of that
[09:45] <daubers> GreenDance: Thats the type of problem you'll introduce to the majority of users
[09:45] <ali1234> davmor2: most of those aren't actually official
[09:46] <oimon> standard ubuntu install copies an image onto your machine, it doesn't do much configuration. nobody would put up with a 5x slower install for your sake
[09:46] <davmor2> ali1234: all of those are the official ones, the ones that have passed the TB meetings and have there iso's on canonical servers
[09:46] <ali1234> daubers: yet when people say "ubuntu is rubbish because the buttons are not in the same place as $otheros" then they are wrong, right?
[09:46] <ali1234> unless $otheros is OS X
[09:47] <bigcalm> Wow, that took a few attempts to get into freenode today
[09:47] <gord> o_O why would you leave?
[09:47] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:48] <davmor2> ali1234: they are also the ones that get tested by the qa volunteers and canonical staff on each release
[09:48] <bigcalm> I like to turn off machines at night that I'm not using (excluding servers) and can't be bothered to set up a proxy
[09:48] <GreenDance> (Connection reset by peer)
[09:48] <GreenDance> I don't know what caused me to be reset by peer
[09:49] <ali1234> sounds like freenode is having problems today
[09:49] <bigcalm> GreenDance: problem with freenode I think. Took me a lot of effort to connect this morning
[09:49] <GreenDance> thanks for letting me know ali1234 bigcalm :)
[09:51] <czajkowski> bigcalm: not seen any annoucements as such
[09:51] <ali1234> GreenDance: you might actually like opensuse, it has a highly configurable installer
[09:52] <ali1234> unfortunately the installer is probably it's only good feature
[09:52] <bigcalm> czajkowski: might be a problem between VirginMedia and freenode :)
[09:52] <ali1234> bigcalm: that is also a possibility if they are still messing around with their packet shaper
[09:55] <bigcalm> !ping
[09:55] <bigcalm> Took a while
[09:56] <ali1234> extreme lag? packet shaper :(
[09:56] <popey> ☹
[09:56] <hoover> ali1234: I agree... opensuse considered harmful ;-)
[09:57] <GreenDance> popey, would it be so hard for whoever maintains the ubuntu installer to code in an option for just gnome and firefox and purge the extras added in? it might be a small market of people who would want this, but every linux user counts
[09:57] <ali1234> GreenDance: it actually would be hard
[09:58] <ali1234> because the installer works by basically just copying the rootfs
[09:58] <ali1234> it doesn't work like the traditional debian installer at all
[09:58] <ali1234> now, if you use the alternate CD it would be possible
[09:58] <ali1234> just needs someone to throw together a seed file
[09:58] <ali1234> if there isn't already one that suits you
[09:59] <ali1234> but the problem with gnome is it's unmaintained now, and probably won't work properly with gtk3
[09:59] <ali1234> and gnome3 is just ... well let's not even go there
[10:00] <czajkowski> bigcalm: you'll know if you get a wallop re freenode
[10:00] <czajkowski> they annouce issues
[10:01] <davmor2> GreenDance: Ubuntu is aimed at new users they are likely to want to learn how to install stuff just to get the system they had in windows/mac os.   It is taylored to that and nothing else.  If you want a system that is different to that then you modify it the end!
[10:01] <ali1234> ^ i thought it was supposed to be for everyone?
[10:01] <davmor2> s/likely/not likely
[10:01] <ali1234> anyway, i have to reboot to install this compiz patch
[10:01] <ali1234> so i'll stop trolling you now
[10:02] <bigcalm> czajkowski: indeed. But I wouldn't see any messages if I couldn't connect ;)
[10:02] <ali1234> you can't really say it's easy to make 11.04 act like windows... you have to put in a bunch of gconf hacks just to get the menus working right
[10:03] <ali1234> it's perfectly fine if ubuntu wants to differentiate itself
[10:03] <ali1234> i don't have a problem with that
[10:04] <ali1234> but the arguments used to justify it are just inconsistent with reality
[10:05] <czajkowski> ali1234: that was a quick reboot
[10:05] <ali1234> czajkowski: i'm having problems, apparently apt-add-repository doesn't import the PGP keys any more?
[10:05] <ali1234> or maybe it never did and update manager just never cared before
[10:05] <ali1234> in any case, i now have to mess about on the terminal just to get this (unofficial) fix installed
[10:07] <davmor2> ali1234: it never did it only does that if you install via software-sources.  You need to use the apt-key get or whatever the command is,  it tells you on the LP ppa page
[10:07] <popey> thats not true
[10:08] <popey> add-apt-repository _did_ used to get the key
[10:08] <ali1234> hmm i thought it did
[10:08] <kazade> add-apt-repository normally gets the key..
[10:08] <popey> or am I on crack?
[10:08] <kazade> not this time popey
[10:08] <kazade> :)
[10:08] <ali1234> anyway problem solved, i just used apt-get
[10:08] <ali1234> now reboot time
[10:09] <Daviey> It does still get the key
[10:10] <popey> yup, just tested it here too
[10:11] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/662524/
[10:11] <davmor2> my bag it's cause I cant use the add-apt-repo for the ppa's I need to add that's why I have to call the key fetch command
[10:13] <Daviey> davmor2: private PPA's?
[10:14] <davmor2> Daviey: slightly odder than that even :) but yes
[10:14] <Daviey> bah
[10:15] <davmor2> Daviey: Why?
[10:15] <Daviey> davmor2: just wondered
[10:15] <Daviey> Adding private ppa's is a pain, and i'm lazy
[10:32] <Myrtti> at the airport \o/
[10:33] <popey> \o/
[10:33] <davmor2> Myrtti: you trying to tell me they are losing you out of the country? ;)
[10:34] <daubers> Myrtti: Travelling to Oggcamp?
[10:35] <Myrtti> daubers: yup :-D well, not only that, but yes.
[10:35] <daubers> Myrtti: \o/
[10:36] <Myrtti> its my bday gift to myself
[10:36] <Myrtti> to be away from Finland
[10:36] <davmor2> Myrtti: Happy birthday (whenever it is / was)
[10:37] <daubers> Myrtti: Thats a call for cake if ever I've heard one
[10:37] <davmor2> daubers: I think you mean Chocolate Cake right :)
[10:37] <Myrtti> I accept all cake :-D
[10:37] <daubers> davmor2: I dunno, I've really been craving a good victoria sponge recently
[10:38] <Myrtti> ^
[10:38] <Myrtti> all cake
[10:41] <davmor2> daubers: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/361264218_64e0bc8b53.jpg
[10:41]  * daubers drools
[10:41] <daubers> Only 20 minutes until lunch!
[10:42] <davmor2> daubers: see betty crockers devils food cakes you put on weight looking at it
[10:44] <daubers> davmor2: Thats mean
[10:48] <davmor2> Myrtti: how about you is that a cakes you could eat :)
[10:58] <Cassull_> I just heard there there 3 more deaths
[10:59] <oimon> Cassull_: yes, although ironically things were much better last night
[11:00] <Cassull_> much better, how?
[11:01] <oimon> london was much quieter last night
[11:01] <Cassull_> hell, what is going on
[11:01] <Myrtti> woo fighter planes
[11:02] <oimon> people were back on the trains and underground today
[11:03] <Cassull_> it's quite scary this whole Affair
[11:03] <Myrtti> I wonder did I remwmber my wool wrap... hmm
[11:04] <oimon> my church pastor is speaking on bbc radio2 shortly http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/
[11:26] <oimon> still getting gwibber crash in oneiric ..can't try out new gwibber yet :(
[11:28] <davmor2> oimon: what crash are you getting?
[11:28] <oimon> bug 811915
[11:28] <oimon> similar to this
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> gee gwibber crashed?
[11:34] <oimon> it won't even start in the current alpha
[11:34] <oimon> for a while now
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> sounds like gwibber to me
[11:34] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Works fine for me.
[11:34] <oimon> i thought "new gwibber" was a rewrite
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I could never get it to work
[11:35] <davmor2> oimon: have a word with Kenvandine on #ubuntu-desktop he might know a quick fix for you,  he is after oneiric users testing it so will be miffed that you can't, he may also ask for some logs to help fix it too etc
[11:36] <davmor2> oimon: he'll be on this afternoon at some point
[11:36] <oimon> davmor2: he commented on that bug on the 4th
[11:38] <davmor2> oimon: have you tried removing the pyc file listed?
[11:39] <davmor2> oimon: it might be that the pyc isn't being removed by updates so once removed it works maybe?
[11:40] <oimon> davmor2: :D
[11:40] <oimon> i had done a purge but didn't remove the crud..i didn't read every comment as well as you
[11:40] <oimon> works now yay
[11:40] <oimon> thanks
[11:40] <oimon> agh
[11:40] <oimon> no it just crashed :(
[11:41] <davmor2> oimon: Meh
[11:41] <davmor2> oimon: there is a debug mode you can call but I never remember the cli call that runs it unfortunately
[11:42] <oimon> got a bit further but still rather crappy
[11:42] <oimon> and freezing /going grey - looks like that feature was ported from old gwibber (bad)
[11:43] <davmor2> oimon: see I have no issues with mine and I did a fresh install of alpha3 though to check that the kernel fix for my wifi was working
[11:44] <daubers> bah, why is the kinder egg website down
[11:44] <oimon> working again now, pkilled all old gwib processes
[11:44] <davmor2> oimon: might just of been a glitch then :(
[11:44] <oimon> however still awful performance and laggy/refreshing/freezing
[11:46] <daubers> davmor2: I have now bought chocolate cake. I blame you
[11:46] <davmor2> daubers: hahaha
[11:47] <davmor2> oimon: See I used to have huge issue but now it's running really nice
[11:47] <oimon> that would be nice
[11:48] <oimon> the idea of gwibber is good, just the implementation always sucked too badly to use it in the past
[11:49] <directhex> hotot is nice
[11:49] <davmor2> oimon: this one is much lighter so I'm not sure why you are having such big issues unless it's the initial import that is the issue maybe
[11:59] <oimon> davmor2: is it still possible to see separate streams on new gwibber?
[12:00] <oimon> can't see any option
[12:13] <oimon> so sad that one of the first looters to appear in court is a teacher :(
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> oimon: those are the worst! :P
[12:23] <Laney> does the u-uk minecraft server have mobs on?
[12:24] <gord> Laney, yup
[12:25] <Laney> :(
[12:30] <oimon> was gonna buy the humble indie bundle but got distracted by people rioting in my town. now it's closed :(
[12:30] <hoover> lol
[12:30] <popey> Laney: there's plenty of places to hide though
[12:31] <oimon> i like the look of "nad yet it moves" anyone played it?
[12:32]  * hoover purchased HIB#1 and hasn't even installed a single game yet ;-)
[12:33] <oimon> hoover: not even world of goo? or did you already own it
[12:33] <hoover> I found out *after* the purchase that the androids game wasn't part of the deal, stupid me... it was only a playable demo
[12:33] <oimon> trying to get into braid
[12:33] <hoover> Remind me what titles were included again... might also have been HIB#2 or something different altogether
[12:33] <oimon> has a little steep entry curve considering there's no manual etc
[12:34] <directhex> there are four humble bundles, totalling about 25 games by now
[12:34] <oimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_Indie_Bundle
[12:34] <oimon> machinarium and osmos are really good
[12:35]  * Laney has been playing crayon physics
[12:36] <oimon> hopefully the next HIB will include HIB3
[12:38] <oimon> HIB also deserves support because it has brought games to linux that were previously windows only
[12:39] <oimon> crayon physics is a good example
[12:40] <davmor2> oimon: not currently work over the weekend for that I think
[12:40] <oimon> davmor2: great :D
[12:41] <davmor2> oimon: I think that was what he was on about anyway :)
[12:43] <ali1234> hmm a bug
[12:47] <ali1234> who is using banshee?
[12:48] <ali1234> does the cover art resize properly for you?
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> yes
[12:50] <oimon> should it?
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> The entire app just locks up every once in a while
[12:50] <ali1234> i think it should
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> and eats 400% CPU
[12:50] <oimon> MartijnVdS: i get that too
[12:50] <ali1234> because when i resize that panel the image just changes between a sharp and blurry image
[12:50] <ali1234> as if the image is being resized by current_width+(desired_width%2)
[12:51] <oimon> ali1234: if i pull the left bar across the screen, the size grows to a 100x100 pic approx, looking good, then doesn't grow anymore - that what you mean?
[12:51] <ali1234> no
[12:51] <ali1234> i will finish posting this bug rewport and then you can watch the video
[12:52] <ali1234> btw if i make the window smaller than the image the image doesn't get smaller
[12:52] <oimon> correc
[12:52] <oimon> banshee has more bugs than a bait shop
[12:53]  * popey covers Laney's and directhex's ears
[12:53] <popey> er
[12:53] <popey> eyes
[12:53] <directhex> bugs without bug reports don't exist. QED.
[12:54] <popey> [FACT]
[12:54] <oimon> banshee has more bug reports than a bait shop
[12:54] <oimon> fixed
[12:54] <ali1234> lol, banshee has so many bug reports that it is almost impossible to determine whether a given bug has already been determined
[12:54] <ali1234> i mean reported
[12:54] <Laney> forget launchpad, use bgo
[12:54] <ali1234> eh
[12:55] <ali1234> i will report it to both
[12:55] <oimon> ali1234: like this one https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540873
[12:55] <ali1234> bgo won't do anything unless i use a bleeding edge version of banshee anyway
[12:55] <ali1234> even when the bug is trivial to reproduce
[12:55] <oimon> let it be said that launchpad is approx 5 zillion times better than bugzilla
[12:56] <ali1234> yes
[12:56] <ali1234> there is no question of that
[12:56] <ali1234> bugzilla is a horrible horrible piece of software
[12:56] <directhex> redmine is super nice
[12:56] <directhex> shame it's RoR
[12:56] <ali1234> you can't even get a list of all the bugs you reported without defining your own db thrashing query in it's sick metaquery language
[12:57] <oimon> i use redmine for my work helpdesk system
[12:57] <directhex> redmine for ticket tracking? ooookay
[12:57] <directhex> i see it for a bug tracker, but as an rt replacement?
[12:58] <oimon> has a nice UI
[12:58] <oimon> rt has a lame ui
[12:58] <directhex> launchpad's biggest problems aren't the interface anyway - it's the huge number of low-quality bugs in ubuntu's launchpad
[12:59] <Laney> the massive imbalance in reporter / triager numbers
[12:59] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/823905/+attachment/2265922/+files/out-8.ogv
[12:59] <ali1234> low quality bugs are a side effect of having a UI that normal people can actually use
[13:00] <ali1234> so, what do you think is going on in that video?
[13:00] <ali1234> if the cover art isn't supposed to fill the panel, why is it being scaled at all?
[13:00] <ali1234> if it isn't being scaled, why does it go blurry?
[13:18] <davmor2> oimon: you mean mulitcolumn view right?
[13:21] <dogmatic69> what can i do about 'Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/zlj/test-daily/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz'
[13:21] <dogmatic69> apt-get update does this
[13:21] <marxjohnson> dogmatic69: There doesn't appear to be a repo for Maverick: http://ppa.launchpad.net/zlj/test-daily/ubuntu/dists/ at least not any more
[13:22] <dogmatic69> what is that? any idea?
[13:22] <davmor2> dogmatic69: you installed it :)
[13:22] <dogmatic69> bah
[13:22] <marxjohnson> It's a PPA you've installed at some point
[13:22] <dogmatic69> apparently :D
[13:22] <marxjohnson> you'll need  to remove  the PPA to stop the error message
[13:23] <dogmatic69> http://ppa.launchpad.net/zlj/test-daily/ubuntu/dists/
[13:24] <davmor2> dogmatic69: to way to get rid of it,  the easy one is open software-sources and click on the other software tab read through till you find that line right click it and select delete done :)
[13:25] <dogmatic69> its a server
[13:25] <dogmatic69> no clicky clicky
[13:26] <marxjohnson> sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:<ppa name here>
[13:27] <marxjohnson> or look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:27] <davmor2> ^ that would be my next suggestion :D
[13:34] <hoover> cheers all
[15:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Desktop Summit - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4466
[15:24] <directhex> all the cool kids are at DS
[15:25] <davmor2> Sometimes I feel I got to run away, I've got to get away....
[15:27] <czajkowski> Mmm dinner cooked
[15:27] <czajkowski> mails done and answer
[15:27] <czajkowski> what next
[15:28] <dogmatic69> early dinner?
[15:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: Fix London, stop the riots, and move england somewhere a bit warmer?
[15:30] <daubers> czajkowski: I have cake :)
[15:30] <davmor2> daubers: what cake?
[15:30] <czajkowski> daubers: ohh CAKE!!
[15:30] <czajkowski> dogmatic69: no for later
[15:30] <czajkowski> but it's done now
[15:30] <czajkowski> davmor2: hey I'm good not that good
[15:31] <hamitron> so you just fixed the riots and left us in a cold climate?
[15:31] <hamitron> :/
[15:31] <czajkowski> sunny here in London
[15:31] <czajkowski> actually it's a fab day
[15:31] <hamitron> raining here
[15:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: Who's been lying to you saying your good ;)
[15:31] <hamitron> :D
[15:38] <HazRPG> hmm, just spent 5hrs trying to teach my sister ubuntu 11.04
[15:39] <HazRPG> so far, she seems to think its not user friendly
[15:40] <HazRPG> or to use her words "that's just crap, how do I know if stuff is open..."
[15:40] <HazRPG> *sigh*
[15:40] <HazRPG> so far using her as a test dummy for 11.04 is not going well :(
[15:40] <davmor2> HazRPG: and yet my Mom who has never used the old version of Ubuntu picked it up with no training cause it was like her phone
[15:47] <HazRPG> heh, my sister still uses a nokia phone
[15:48] <HazRPG> she's too use to windows and, when I converted her over to ubuntu 9.10 (and everything ever since), gnome2 works... she finds it odd that its on the right-hand side, and how the close button is on the wrong side... etc
[15:48] <ali1234> i still use a nokia phone
[15:48] <ali1234> nokia phones are good
[15:49] <davmor2> ali1234: well till next year right ;)
[15:49] <HazRPG> she seems to have the same beef against unity as I do... and I never even told her my annoyances with it :p
[15:49] <ali1234> unlike android rubbish, nokia phones actually keep working for longer than a year
[15:50] <popey> +1
[15:50]  * popey pines after his old n72
[15:50] <popey> except for the crappy bits of the phone
[15:51] <HazRPG> <= still has nokia phones for when phones go bad
[15:51] <HazRPG> (still rocking the 3310 for my other number!)
[15:51] <oimon> had my htc desire almost 18 months
[15:51] <brobostigon> me too, 2.
[15:51] <ali1234> nokia were the biggest phone manufacturer because their phones were reliable
[15:51] <ali1234> the problem is nobody wants reliable things any more
[15:51] <ali1234> they want facebook
[15:51] <ali1234> they want the cloud, and apps
[15:51] <HazRPG> best phone purchase ever was that nokia 3310... still holds its battery for like 5-6 days! Fantastic piece of kit :)
[15:51] <czajkowski> I've a hero almost 2 years
[15:51] <ali1234> and a lot of stuff that is going to come back and bite them
[15:51] <ali1234> but it's not my problem :)
[15:51] <jpds> czajkowski: Likewise.
[15:51] <czajkowski> ali1234: yes we do, it's keeping with the times and technology
[15:52] <czajkowski> jpds: we clearly look after our toys :)
[15:52] <jpds> ali1234: Love the cloud.
[15:52] <oimon> my old phone battery lasted 4 days except the screen was the size of my digital watch and used mono LCD
[15:52] <popey> i have a 2 year old hero too
[15:52] <popey> i gave it away because it's rubbish
[15:52] <ali1234> i do love the cloud. i just don't rely on it
[15:52] <WorMzy> I've had my Samsung D900i for four years on Friday, still going strong.
[15:53] <ali1234> and i am coming around to this android phone i have
[15:53] <ali1234> but i wouldn't rely on it
[15:53] <HazRPG> WorMzy: I bet the battery life isn't as good as my nokia 3310 though ;)
[15:53] <WorMzy> Lasts for about a week
[15:53] <ali1234> by which i mean i wouldn't leave the house with it unless i had a backup phone as well
[15:53] <ali1234> because it just crashes that much
[15:53] <oimon> wow
[15:53] <oimon> my phone never crashes
[15:54] <ali1234> backup phone being a nokia of course
[15:54] <oimon> by never, i mean not once
[15:54] <ali1234> also every android version prior to 2.3 = lol
[15:55] <HazRPG> I must agree, 2.3 has been the best one so far
[15:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i agree, yes.
[15:55] <HazRPG> however my 3310 shall remain in my glove box for those "oh crap" moments
[15:56] <brobostigon> even on my htc dream, :)
[15:56] <ali1234> you don't actually need to carry a 3310 for good battery life. just avoid android and iphone
[15:56] <HazRPG> (hates the fact that nexus one needs to be charged every day or every other day depending on usage)
[15:57] <brobostigon> HazRPG: on a good day, with 2.3, my htc dream will just about last twelve hours.
[15:57] <davmor2> hasn't had any issues with his milestone once he switched off rooting and overclocker :)
[15:57] <HazRPG> brobostigon: if I don't use my phone at all, nor move it, and keep it in an area that has decent signal... I can get roughly 2 days worth out of the battery :P
[15:58] <HazRPG> the minute I move it, use it, or even touch it... I'll probably get about a day... or less
[15:58] <brobostigon> HazRPG: hmm, interesting. however defeating the point.
[15:58] <davmor2> HazRPG: switch off 3g when you have wifi switch off gps I get 4 days
[15:59] <HazRPG> I mainly use my phone to call people, and on occasion, text people (if I really must...), the rest is a novelty
[15:59] <HazRPG> davmor2: I have my always set to GSM only, barely use 3g at all...
[15:59]  * brobostigon disappears for his trek dose. on cbs action.
[16:00] <ali1234> i've actually started to fall into the habit of picking up my phone when i get a new email, cos it's faster than loading up gmail (this is the android phone of course)
[16:00] <HazRPG> davmor2: gps is never on, unless I'm driving and I don't know where I'm going... and wifi is only on, when I'm at home
[16:00] <ali1234> and i do it when i'm sitting in front of the computer
[16:00] <ali1234> i think it says more about the lack of usability of unity than it does about android
[16:00] <HazRPG> ali1234: heh, I do that
[16:01] <ali1234> i know if i click firefox on the launcher it's going to barf 100 windows all over my desktop
[16:01] <HazRPG> (still not updated to 11.04 yet...)
[16:01] <ali1234> i really hate that you can't unminimize 1 window without unminimizing all of them
[16:04] <HazRPG> ali1234: this is why I haven't updated, I like my window list too much
[16:06] <ali1234> nah, you should update
[16:06] <ali1234> and then complain constantly about it
[16:07] <ali1234> like me
[16:07] <HazRPG> heh
[16:07] <HazRPG> if I update, it might make them think "oh look, we have another download... clearly another satisfied user..."
[19:54] <StevenR> hurrah. success. ceiling sanded and painted
[19:54] <StevenR> couple more coats, and job will be a good 'un
[20:18] <Myrtti> uk ♥
[20:18] <popey> \o/
[20:21] <uk> ♥  Myrtti
[20:46] <Laney> I forgot how great chocolate digestives are
[20:46] <Laney> ♥ uk
[21:11] <Azelphur> wouldn't that be more ♥ digestive biscuits?
[21:15] <popey> not if you scroll up
[21:25] <Azelphur> ah :P
[21:38] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well everyone.
[22:04] <AlanBell> I dispatched the first shipit cd today
[22:04] <popey> I can haz backup internettings
[22:08] <Azelphur> popey: is that 3g backup internettings?
[22:08] <hamitron> AlanBell: shipit cd?
[22:09] <AlanBell> hamitron: with the magic process
[22:09] <hamitron> nice
[22:09] <hamitron> :)
[22:09] <hamitron> ;/
[22:09] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[22:10] <hamitron> nice
[22:12] <hamitron> I think that is a great service to those in rural areas
[22:13] <hamitron> I guess some in the UK won't have internet connections also
[22:13] <ali1234> if you had no internet connection, how would you even know ubuntu existed?
[22:13] <hamitron> well, I mean if you just go online at internet cafe
[22:13] <hamitron> or buy a linux mag
[22:14] <hamitron> or mobile internet
[22:14] <ali1234> for that matter, if you have no internet connection, why would you even have a PC?
[22:14] <directhex> other than obnoxious "i don't own a tv, look at me everyone, I DON'T HAVE A TV" types, who has a computer capable of running a modern linux and an interest in a modern linux but not internet?
[22:14] <popey> Azelphur: yes
[22:15] <Azelphur> what deal do you have?
[22:15] <hamitron> ali1234: writing documents?
[22:15] <hamitron> invoicing
[22:15] <popey> ali1234: magazines
[22:15] <popey> its a dongle plugged into an access point which is flashed to openwrt
[22:15] <popey> so it shares 3G over wifi (and wired)
[22:15] <popey> ali1234: switched my old 3g zte dongle for a huawaeieieie one
[22:16] <popey> works brilliantly
[22:16] <directhex> draytek routers and i think some avm ones do that with stock firmware
[22:16] <ali1234> draytek routers are odd
[22:16] <hamitron> says ali1234
[22:16] <hamitron> ;)
[22:16] <ali1234> they like to tell all connected devices that they are in hong kong
[22:16] <popey> I am happy with this, nice and flexible
[22:16] <ali1234> presents problems using channel 13 with linux because of CRDA
[22:17] <ali1234> other than that, they are good, or so i'm told
[22:18] <Azelphur> popey: nice did you find a provider that lets you buy bandwith without it expiring?
[22:18] <Azelphur> or do you just manual topup when the connection goes down?
[22:18] <popey> I'm just using 3 for now
[22:18] <Azelphur> ah
[22:19] <Azelphur> I've been looking for a provider that'll let me just buy bandwith with no expiry so I can do a setup similar to yours
[22:19] <Azelphur> I think vodafone might do it
[22:19] <ali1234> why not just top up when you need it?
[22:19] <Azelphur> because I want it to failover instantly
[22:19] <Azelphur> because I'm pedantic like that
[22:19] <ali1234> no point
[22:19] <ali1234> you'll still lose all connections
[22:20] <Azelphur> yea but it's as painless as possible
[22:20] <ali1234> topping up takes 3 seconds
[22:20] <directhex> nobody does non-expiring data sims.
[22:21] <Azelphur> ali1234 my connection is usually short downtimes and often
[22:21] <directhex> i conveniently have 4 brochures on my desk
[22:21] <Azelphur> so it'll go down for like 30 minutes then come back up a couple times a month
[22:21] <Azelphur> directhex: fun \o/
[22:21] <ali1234> what you need is one of those $1/day only when you use it accounts
[22:22] <hamitron> maybe trade internet connections with a neighbour?
[22:22] <hamitron> so each can use one anothers for redundancy
[22:22] <Azelphur> ali1234 that'd work too
[22:22] <Azelphur> hamitron our area is notoriously unreliable
[22:22] <popey> nice thing about this dongle is it has two slots, one for SIM another for Micro SIM
[22:22] <Azelphur> a little while the exchange for the county went down
[22:22] <directhex> new mobile phone season means lots of brochures
[22:23] <Azelphur> and that's ignoring that pretty much every time it rains the connection quality gets nuked or goes away completely
[22:23] <hamitron> yey
[22:23] <hamitron> someone like me
[22:23] <hamitron> ;)
[22:24] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:24] <hamitron> hang on
[22:24] <hamitron> can't be
[22:24] <hamitron> you download more than me
[22:24] <hamitron> ;/
[22:24] <hamitron> 600kbps atm
[22:24] <hamitron> :)
[22:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:47] <directhex> http://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-Pre3-stars-in-a-21-minute-French-video-exploration_id20844 is french but informative anyway.


[13:01] <lucas21> Buenas Tardes
[13:01] <lucas21> #lubuntu es
[14:13] <onla> is there an app like xosd in ubuntu repositories? "xosd displays text on your screen, sounds simple right ? The difference is it is unmanaged and shaped, so it appears transparent. It's excellent for notifications."
[14:14] <onla> I want to see a popup window or something like this appear on my screen when I execute a certain command
[14:17] <onla> or linux terminal command on xs creen
[14:20] <onla> oh there is.. lets see if it can do
[17:24] <ianorlin> onla there is lxsession-message-gtk to make a popup message
[18:35] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. Trying to get a Belkin AC Dual-Band WiFi USB adapter to work with Lubuntu. Not sure how to go about this, even to see if it is being recognized by the system
[18:36] <ianorlin> not sure how to get a popup notification can you open lxterminal and run lsusb so I can have some informatoin about the kind of usb adaptor
[18:36] <econdudeawesome> ianorlin: sure. Should I post to pastebin?
[18:37] <ianorlin> yes
[18:37] <econdudeawesome> looks like it's showing up as device 7: http://pastebin.com/ecUUnFPe
[18:39] <econdudeawesome> how can I then configure the wifi? I've been using GNOME or XMONAD too long :/
[18:39] <ianorlin> econdudeawesome: can you run it agian as lsusb -v
[18:40] <ianorlin> have you tried hitting alt-f2 and running nm-applet?
[18:40] <ianorlin> that is a known bug and in the release notes
[18:42] <econdudeawesome> certainly: http://pastebin.com/ErKZZ7rw
[18:42] <econdudeawesome> no new icon appeared when I ran nm-applet
[18:47] <ianorlin> which version of lubuntu are you on?
[18:50] <econdudeawesome> hmm
[18:50] <econdudeawesome> should be 14.04, let me check
[18:51] <econdudeawesome> 14.04
[19:10] <meek_geek> I own a 1ghz dual core netbook
[19:10] <meek_geek> i use xubuntu it runs fine
[19:10] <meek_geek> Would lubuntu make it any better or faster ?
[19:11] <meek_geek> ?
[19:12] <wxl> meek_geek: likely
[19:12] <econdudeawesome> I found Lubuntu has a lot less overhead on my netbook. I dont use the standard GUI any more though; I run XMONAD. LXDE however runs well, even with 1Ghz dual core
[19:12] <meek_geek> oh
[19:13] <meek_geek> I would try it
[19:14] <wxl> openbox is pretty fast
[19:14] <meek_geek> can you share a screenshot of the file manager ?
[19:14] <econdudeawesome> ianorlin: Found a ping: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/240676
[19:14] <wxl> admittedly i use awesome
[19:14] <meek_geek> wxl, do you know xubuntu + openbox distro ?
[19:14] <econdudeawesome> Most overhead is simply in the gui, right? Openbox is going to be fast regardless of underlying architecture? (I'm not 100% confident on this assertion)
[19:15] <meek_geek> econdudeawesome, I used Openbox + Debian it was snappy
[19:15] <wxl> meek_geek: you can set up xubuntu with openbox
[19:15] <meek_geek> But the only issues was Debian's old kernel
[19:15] <econdudeawesome> meek_geek: indeed, it would be
[19:15] <meek_geek> I used from Debian to Xubuntu
[19:15] <econdudeawesome> lubuntu can be nice. If you're needing real speed, trying building up from ubuntu minimal and only putting on the gui components you really want
[19:16] <econdudeawesome> save hard drive space + build up for nice speed
[19:16] <meek_geek> but people say anything ubuntu based is spying on you and bad for security
[19:16] <econdudeawesome> who says that?
[19:16] <ianorlin> that was in unity really and has an off button
[19:16] <meek_geek> prism-break.org <-- this site and many other people
[19:16] <econdudeawesome> If you do a full Ubuntu install you have the Amazon spyglass that was a big fracas, but it's quick to unintall
[19:17] <meek_geek> Ok
[19:17] <meek_geek> lubuntu seems fast
[19:17] <meek_geek> I would download and try it
[19:24] <econdudeawesome> test
[19:24] <econdudeawesome> weird
[19:24] <econdudeawesome> irssi going buggy on me
[19:36] <meek_geek> econdudeawesome, dya use prop. softwares?
[19:36] <econdudeawesome> what?
[19:36] <econdudeawesome> also, ianorlin, I seem to hit a snag in installing the driver. I'm not familiar with make install--how to debug?
[19:36] <meek_geek> non-free do u use it?
[19:36] <econdudeawesome> on occasion. I really like sublime-text, for example.
[19:45] <meek_geek> econdudeawesome, its prop right ?
[20:40] <andgastaldo> h
[21:20] <onla> ianorlin: thanks! though I found what I wanted and what I wanted was to translate with google translate a text that I have selected to clipboard on key press, and using google translate cli, xclip and aosd_cat with autokey I am getting a nice fade in - fade out of the translation with the following system.exec_command('trs "$(xclip -o)" |aosd_cat -n "Arial Black 80" -u 2000 -o 1000 -R red -S none -f 0 -y -10')
[21:21] <ianorlin> that is long enough you probably want a script for it
[21:21] <onla> yeh, well that command is added to the autokey to execute it on keypress :)
[21:21] <onla> autokeys gui
[21:21] <ianorlin> or that works as well
[21:48] <onla> not sure if it was here or #linux where my 68xsomething terminal resolution was a topic. they said that 80xsomething is the standard minimum, but I can't have it, since I am using a large enough font on my terminal, so that I can see the irssi text from 3m distance
[21:49] <onla> they said that I should change my irssi font size, but on #irssi they say that you can't change irssis font size, that it's the terminal font size