[00:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: as mentionned in http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files
[00:00] <kirkland> k
[00:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: what's the logic to tell if this is on install, and not upgrade?  dpkg --compare-versions .... something?
[00:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: [ -z "$2" ]
[00:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: or test for $2
[00:01] <kirkland> ah
[00:01] <kirkland> okay
[00:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: on install $2 is empty
[00:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool
[00:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: $2 holds the latest *installed* version of a package
[00:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts
[00:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ has a good explanation on how scripts are called with which argument
[00:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/353701/
[00:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: something like that
[00:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: should create eucalyptus-local.conf if this is either an install, or an upgrade from a version before we started using that file
[00:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm right.
[00:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: I would put the seed_local_conf call to the pkg install section of the maintainer script (below - with euca_conf -d)
[00:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: and add some more specific code to handle upgrades
[00:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: what would should be done on upgrades?
[00:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: because after the upgrade, euca_conf is going to write to eucalyptus-conf.local
[00:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: by "install section", you mean $1 = "install" ?
[00:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: shouldn't eucalyptus.conf be copied to eucalyptus-local.conf?
[00:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: OOOOHHHH
[00:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: there's already a -z "$2"
[00:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: sorry
[00:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: yeah, let me rework this
[00:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - that's what I was refering to
[00:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: sorry, sorry, sorry
[00:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: completely missed that
[00:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, i'm rolling now :-)
[00:20] <Bullterd> Hi All.
[00:20] <Bullterd> This is royally doing my head in.
[00:21] <Bullterd> My switch 100% supports ad network bonding
[00:21] <Bullterd> I followed this tut
[00:21] <Bullterd> http://blog.brightbox.co.uk/posts/howto-do-ethernet-bonding-on-ubuntu-properly
[00:21] <Italian_Plumber5> how can I turn this off:  "You have new mail in /var/mail/david"  I really don't need to be notified.
[00:21] <Bullterd> My Router & all linux boxes can ping the box that has the bond setup
[00:21] <Bullterd> but my workstation and iphone cannot connect nor ping it :(
[00:22] <Bullterd> I know that the box is communicating with the router because its picking up DHCP leases, and if I change the IP address based on the MAC and then restart the bond, it picks the new IP up fine
[00:25] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/353712/
[00:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: but i think i still have one problem
[00:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm looking at the debian women's chart now
[00:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: so the good news is that we can get rid of all of those euca_conf calls
[00:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: I don't think you want to seed_eucalyptus_conf
[00:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: that should be conffile
[00:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: right, i wanted to ask you about that ....
[00:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: so it is a conf file
[00:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: but it's changing drastically on upgrades now
[00:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: we need to copy that data over to -local
[00:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: and *then* replace it with our new conffile
[00:28] <kirkland> mathiaz: it *is* a conffile
[00:28] <kirkland> mathiaz: i have that code elsewhere in my diff
[00:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: which we'll handle for new installs correctly
[00:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: but for upgrades, we need to gently move that data over
[00:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm... well - dpkg will automatically prompt for the user
[00:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: because /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus.conf has changed both *in* the package and on the local system
[00:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: right, this is messy
[00:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - that will only happen once on upgrade
[00:31] <mathiaz> kirkland: there are ways to workaround that though
[00:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: i think this is why i keep going back to making eucalyptus.conf *not* a conffile
[00:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: let's imagine eucalyptus.conf is more like eucalyptus-local.conf in this new model
[00:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: it is the thing read/written by euca_conf
[00:32] <kirkland> mathiaz: we can easily take something that was a conffile, and drop it from dpkg's installed files list
[00:32] <kirkland> mathiaz: if it's in /etc, it should just remain
[00:33] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - but then you have to take care of it in the maintainer scripts
[00:33] <kirkland> "<mathiaz> kirkland: there are ways to workaround that though"
[00:33] <kirkland> mathiaz: ^ ?
[00:33] <mathiaz> kirkland: we could handle the upgrade by moving the old eucalyptus.conf file in the preinst on upgrades
[00:33] <kirkland> mathiaz: oh, okay
[00:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: that's legit?
[00:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's *possible* :D
[00:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: that being said we should make sure it's done after eucalyptus is stopped
[00:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: on upgrade eucalyptus is stopped, then move eucalyptus.conf to eucalyptus-local.conf
[00:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay; how to verify eucalyptus is stopped?
[00:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: "stop eucalyptus" in the preinst?
[00:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's done by the upstart debhelper token
[00:36] <erichammond> pting: m1.small instanced type on ec2 gets 1 "EC2 compute unit" which is generally less than half of the real CPU on which the VM is running.  What you are seeing is normal and you are getting all that you're paying for.
[00:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: I don't know if the new conffile eucalyptus.conf would actually be installed though
[00:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: since dpkg would notice that the old eucalyptus.conf conffile is no longer there and it may not reinstall the new one
[00:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: I think you should ask in #ubuntu-devel - slangasek may be able to help in that
[00:38] <erichammond> smoser: "ping external to ec2 never works." - This depends on your security group configuration.  If you want to allow ping then allow icmp in the security group.
[00:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: moving conffile around is tricky - the samba pkg did that at some point IIRC
[00:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, pinging slangasek
[01:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #460316 in clamav (main) "clamav-base package contains very big clamav data files (main.cvd and daily.cvd) from clamav-data package" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460316
[01:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #428179 in clamav (main) "package clamav-base 0.94.dfsg.2-1ubuntu0.5 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso post-installation script devolvi? el c?digo de salida de error 3" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428179
[01:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #430418 in clamav "clamav-milter socket permissions wrong" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430418
[01:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool!
[01:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: euca2ools/boto happier?
[01:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: please upload to lucid as soon as you're satisfied
[01:16] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - I'd like some feedback on the package first
[01:16] <mathiaz> kirkland: some of my testing is working
[01:16] <mathiaz> kirkland: but my main stress test script is still failing
[01:17] <mathiaz> kirkland: and I haven't figured out why yet
[01:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, okay
[01:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/353732/
[01:17] <mathiaz> kirkland: and I need to grab something to eat now
[01:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm testing the euca_conf/eucalyptus.conf changes now
[01:17] <mathiaz> kirkland: I haven't had lunch yet
[01:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: heh
[01:19] <mathiaz> kirkland: line 98: it think you want install
[01:19] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm well - nervermind
[01:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, i'm testing for upgrade
[01:19] <mathiaz> kirkland: oh yes - you actually want install
[01:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: postinst doesn't receive upgrade as $1
[01:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: it receives install as $1
[01:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: that's preinst
[01:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: ahhhh - you're right
[01:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: I need to grab something to eat
[01:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: kirkland - 1 ... mathias -<PHONE_NUMBER>0
[01:20] <kirkland> :-)
[01:36] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #502878 in samba (main) "Samba 3.4.0 won't let win98 clients to connect" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502878
[03:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #487275 in eucalyptus (main) "eucalyptus.conf should not be a conffile" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487275
[03:42] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[03:51] <NotTooSmart> copied my smb.conf from a different machine, same username same pass same dirs, can't get it to open?
[05:14] <Pickley> Hi?
[05:18] <Pickley> guess not
[05:22] <FireCrotch> Pickley: Hi!
[05:23] <FireCrotch> Do you have a problem that we can help you with?
[05:23] <Pickley> FireCrotch: Hey
[05:23] <Pickley> Server used to boot straight through Grub
[05:23] <Pickley> now it just waits for me to have to hit eneter
[05:24] <Pickley> and also it hangs after it fsck's the partitions
[05:24] <NotTooSmart> cant get sound on ubuntu-server, i have pulse audio installed, vlc shows it playing the file, alsamixer works. but no sound. any ideas
[05:24] <FireCrotch> Pickley: well lets solve the grub problem first - what does it display when you have to press enter?
[05:25] <Pickley> FireCrotch: It starts booting, but it used to automatically boot through into the server
[05:25] <Pickley> FireCrotch: Do I just need to change it back to auto select?
[05:26] <FireCrotch> Pickley: Yes, if you've changed it from the default
[05:26] <Pickley> FireCrotch: I haven't just happened today, might be because it says there are two kernels now
[05:27] <FireCrotch> Pickley: Yeah, the grub configuration probably just didnt update properly
[05:27] <Pickley> FireCrotch: Ok, I can sort that out once I get it botting properly :P
[05:27] <FireCrotch> Pickley: Are you able to boot into single user mode?
[05:28] <Pickley> FireCrotch: How do you do that? Pass something in grub?
[05:29] <FireCrotch> Pickley: Yes. the word "single" as a parameter
[05:29] <Pickley> Ok, I'll try that now
[05:29] <NotTooSmart> can anyone help me ;\
[05:29] <FireCrotch> Pickley: fyi it goes at the end of the kernel line
[05:30] <Pickley> FireCrotch: Doesn't work, also get a i915_handle_error, but it worked before with that.
[05:31] <Pickley> Can only hit Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot really
[05:34] <FireCrotch> Pickley: so it just completely freezes after it does its fsck during boot? any kind of error output from that?
[05:34] <Pickley> FireCrotch: It just shows the i915 thing and then nothing else loads
[05:35] <Pickley> FireCrotch: except I had that error before
[05:35] <Pickley> Thinking it might just be my hard drive failing lol
[05:35] <FireCrotch> the i915 error is referring to the intel 915 chipset
[05:35] <Pickley> Yep
[05:35] <Pickley> It normally worked with that anyway
[05:36] <FireCrotch> Hmm
[05:36] <Pickley> Not sure
[05:36] <Pickley> and really don't want to lose my data
[05:36] <Pickley> lol
[05:37] <Pickley> although I do have the most important stuff backed up luckily
[05:38] <FireCrotch> probably is a bad hard drive. how old is the drive?
[05:38] <Pickley> Probably 3-4 years old
[05:38] <Pickley> probably older
[05:38] <FireCrotch> wouldnt surprise me then
[05:39] <Pickley> Got another 8gb drive coming so will swap it out
[05:39] <Pickley> *80
[05:40] <Pickley> Thanks anyway :D
[05:42] <Pickley> FireCrotch: think I should just get of it when I get the new one?
[05:42] <FireCrotch> probably
[05:43] <Pickley> :D
[05:43] <Pickley> Not like I'll use more than 80gb
[05:43] <Pickley> The other issue I was having was the server kept dropping out
[05:43] <Pickley> But that might be due to the drive as well
[05:43] <FireCrotch> yeah, hdd problems can show up in various ways
[05:44] <Pickley> :D
[05:44] <Pickley> Guess I get to reinstall everything
[05:45] <FireCrotch> Pickley: well you could always try to get the data off the hard drive onto the new one
[05:45] <Pickley> Yeah
[05:45] <Pickley> I don't think it's worth it
[05:45] <FireCrotch> At least /etc/ :)
[05:46] <Pickley> lol maybe
[05:46] <Pickley> Server wasn't set up long ago so doesn't matter too much
[05:47] <Pickley> Had only really set up SVN, Rails, Ruby, LAMP and Samba
[09:32] <RoyK> hm. seems tzdata is updated all the time. it's not like timezones are changing, is it?
[09:42] <cemc> RoyK: check the changelog for what changed I guess ;)
[10:07] <cemc> anybody using a SheevaPlug computer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug
[10:23]  * RoyK wants
[10:35] <twb> cemc: I am.
[10:39] <cemc> twb: is it worth buying one?
[10:40] <cemc> vlan trunking works? openvpn? :-)
[10:40] <twb> I don't know.  Mine is just a build slave.
[10:40] <cemc> stock 2.6 kernel ?
[10:41] <cemc> what distro on it ?
[10:41] <twb> It's running whatever is in Squeeze at the moment
[10:41] <cemc> aha
[10:41] <twb> The onboard mtd ships with Ubuntu 9.10
[10:41] <cemc> twb: downsides?
[10:41] <cemc> as far as you can tell :)
[10:41] <twb> It's bulky, and it's a wallwart if you're using the US connector
[10:43] <cemc> I have no idea how to compare that 1.2ghz ARM processor to a normal one, you're building stuff on it ?
[10:43] <twb> d-i doesn't support mtd yet, so you can't actually install Debian (or Ubuntu) onto the onboard storage, and using USB for the root filesystem means that it takes a few reboots before it can actually bootstrap the kernel
[10:43] <cemc> d-i ?
[10:43] <twb> debian-installer
[10:44] <cemc> so how is it ship with ubuntu 9.10 then?
[10:44] <twb> With dd or similar.
[10:45] <cemc> err, s/is/does/
[10:45] <cemc> so you can 'install' ubuntu on it, just not the usual way?
[10:45] <cemc> I mean you have to hack it a bit :)
[10:45] <twb> FSVO a bit
[10:49] <cemc> hm
[10:51] <twb> You should also see #openplug (iirc)
[10:54] <cemc> twb: do you know about openwrt and routers that support it? how does the installation part compare to that? as in easier/harder?
[10:54] <cemc> I'll take a look there too, thx
[10:54] <twb> cemc: I never installed onto the mtd, I left it alone
[10:54] <cemc> ah, ok
[10:55] <twb> I did a normal d-i netboot onto a USB key.
[10:55] <twb> I was also extremely annoyed that the bootloader's PXE support needed next-server hard-coded, instead of using DHCP.
[11:58] <cemc> twb: can you show me a cat /proc/cpuinfo on it phlease?
[11:58] <twb> cemc: it's offline at the moment, sorry.
[11:58] <cemc> np
[12:17] <twb> cemc: http://pastebin.com/f7e6c1ef8
[12:18] <twb> Curious lack of jazelle for an OMAP3
[14:50] <orogor> anyone knows how to get a list or remove packages which have an apt source which was disabled on upgrade?
[15:10] <bogeyd6> orogor, apt-get autoclean
[15:11] <bogeyd6> orogor, then apt-get autoremove
[15:13] <twb> orogor: do you mean packages were installed from (say) universe, and now that you've disabled universe, you want to remove those packages?
[15:14] <orogor> well more stuff like medibuntu which is automatically disabled on upgrade
[15:15] <orogor> then after that unless medibuntu is not re enabled, there s no update for theses packages
[15:17] <twb> orogor: in aptitude's GUI, these packages will appear in the "Obsolete" drop-down
[15:17] <twb> Er, s/drop-down/collapsible list/
[15:17] <twb> You should be able to just hit purge (_) on that list to purge them all
[15:19] <orogor> can i get that in cli ?
[15:20] <twb> From the line interface, it's probably something like ~O or ?obsolete()
[15:26] <orogor> i try cleaning up old stuff, that computer has been throught a few major upgrades already
[15:27] <twb> orogor: you may want to investigate deborphan and friends
[15:27] <twb> debfoster?  It's been a while
[15:28] <bogeyd6> why spend all the time going through the list when apt will remove them
[15:29] <orogor> because the list will also include pckages downlaoded and installed manually and for which no repository was provided
[15:29] <orogor> and maybe i dont want to remove theses
[15:29] <twb> bogeyd6: because d-i, at the very least, doesn't set markauto flags correctly
[15:30] <twb> Granted, I tend to markauto EVERYTHING and have a single equivs stub, because I find that easier than debfoster/deborphan
[15:30] <twb> But I don't feel like teaching people how to do that
[15:33] <bogeyd6> ok so if someone manually installed something, how does it get disabled on upgrade?
[15:34] <twb> It's "disabled", in the sense that it matches ?obsolete(), as soon as you install it.
[15:37] <bogeyd6> so aptitude search ?obsolete shows someone a list of all packages manually installed and no longer has its reqs?
[15:37] <orogor> bogeyd6, as i said , let s say you install something from ppa or medibuntu, which is a common case
[15:38] <twb> I'm talking about the set of packages that are installed and are not in apt.
[15:38] <orogor> ppa and medibuntu will propose update to karmic, but still on dist upgrade, ubuntu will disable these repositories
[15:38] <twb> orogor: you must have a bloody strange dist-upgrade.
[15:38] <orogor> thus unless you manually re enable the repository, all the packes installed from theses are left with no upgrade path
[15:39] <orogor> really thats  what it does here
[15:39] <orogor> it disable everything except the canninicall aproved/maintained packages, (can t  remember the name)
[15:39] <twb> I hate ubuntu
[15:40] <orogor> i specially hate the network manager, it  s plain bogus and should be removed
[15:41] <twb> orogor: FWIW, it's not installed by default unless you use a desktop CD
[15:41] <twb> I especially liked how network manager + nis ==> 30 minutes to boot
[15:42] <orogor> i specially like how it destroy my network config at each reboot
[15:42] <orogor> i tried all the official settings to solve this , it seems there s no issue
[15:42] <jcastro> if you define your network interface in /etc/network/interfaces NM won't touch it
[15:42] <orogor> it does
[15:43] <jcastro> then that's a bug
[15:43] <orogor> thats  why i say it s bogus
[15:43] <orogor> and it has always been
[15:43] <jcastro> have you tracked down the cause? reported a bug?
[15:43] <twb> Unfortunately, ubiquity doesn't define wired interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces by default, so NM gets its fingers into them
[15:44] <orogor> nope, still i bet it s a known one, all the peoples i know since ever have this issue
[15:44] <jcastro> which bug?
[15:44] <orogor> well for my special case, sometime it goes differently
[15:45] <orogor> a nix with a static ip , plusgged on a network with a dhcp server, use the dhcp provided adress and not the static ip
[15:45] <jcastro> why not do a dhcp reservation?
[15:45] <orogor> it becomes very problematic, when the computer with the nic witht he static ip is a net gateway
[15:46] <twb> jcastro: maybe he bought a $20 router and its DHCP server can't do reservations
[15:46] <orogor> i bet because int he first place it should use the static ip and not the dhcp one
[15:47] <orogor> still now it s less an issue , before, at every dhcp lease renew it would get a  new ip , now it  s only at boot
[15:47] <twb> orogor: just purge NM
[15:48] <orogor> did that
[15:48] <orogor> but still that shouldn t be
[15:48] <orogor> it has other issues with wireless, of the same kind
[15:49] <orogor> basically it keeps overidding manually set settings with some other ones it thinks is best
[15:49] <twb> orogor: that's its job :-/
[15:50] <orogor> no , there s auto, dhcp, and whetever parameters it should do that only if theses are set
[15:51] <orogor> btw, anyone with amd64  is having problem with amarok crashing on startup under karmic?
[15:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #502262 in autofs (main) "autofs4 doesn't timeout cifs mounted shares" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502262
[15:51] <twb> That's a desktop issue
[15:52] <orogor> yup, but maybe you also have a desktop computer :)
[15:52] <twb> Nope
[15:52] <twb> Sorry
[15:52] <orogor> duh
[16:02] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #505178 in likewise-open (main) "error while launching in kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505178
[16:03] <Italian_Plumber> any way to get this notification turned off?  "You have new mail in /var/mail/david"
[16:05] <twb> Italian_Plumber: yes
[16:07] <Italian_Plumber> Thanks for answering my question. :)  I'll ask another.  How do I get this notification turned off? "You have new mail in /var/mail/david"
[16:07] <twb> I don't remember
[16:10] <niekniekniek> hello!
[16:11] <niekniekniek> i was wondering if someone can give some info on how the ubuntu cloud is making sure it doesn't loose any data when some bare metal dies
[16:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #502762 in samba (main) "[karmic] winbind installation causes apt to fail" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502762
[16:12] <twb> niekniekniek: presumably, the same way RAID5 does
[16:13] <twb> i.e. redundancy
[16:13] <niekniekniek> yeah i know it has walrus and stuff
[16:13] <niekniekniek> but i would like to know how it works
[16:14] <niekniekniek> what if 5 pc's all have 80 GB's harddisk space
[16:14] <niekniekniek> how many can die before one looses data
[16:14] <niekniekniek> and how does it perform in terms of live migration when such an event occurs
[16:14] <niekniekniek> stuff like that :)
[16:16] <niekniekniek> anyone?
[16:16] <Italian_Plumber> did you try wikipedia?
[16:17] <Italian_Plumber> Here's what you really need to know abaout RAID, which will put you above my boss: If you have a RAID array, keep spare HDs around, so that when one fails, you actually have one to hot-swap!
[16:18] <Italian_Plumber> Oh... and that spare laying around?  It can't be one that was pulled out of that same RAID array when it failed last year.
[16:21] <niekniekniek> i know what RAID is...
[16:22] <niekniekniek> when creating a cloud i wouldn't like to be dependant of one machine with RAID
[16:22] <niekniekniek> Probably a netapp or something..
[16:24] <niekniekniek> but that netapp would also need a spare
[16:24] <niekniekniek> i'm not sure if ubuntu cloud uses that way... maybe it uses all the storage in all the vm hosts as storage
[16:24] <niekniekniek> it seems it uses ata over ethernet
[16:58] <bogeyd6> niekniekniek, you need to check into cloud data striping and http://nicolas.barcet.com/drupal/files/SkillsMatter-WhatIsUbuntuCloud_0.pdf
[17:04] <ehazlett> is there support for LVM volume snapshot merging in 9.10?  i saw a launchpad request for inclusion in 8.10 but can't seem to find anything else about it...
[17:05] <bogeyd6> is there a website that shows what kinds of things you do with cloud?
[17:06] <jpds> bogeyd6: Most things?
[17:06] <bogeyd6> well more detailed like uhm
[17:06] <bogeyd6> is it similiar to vmwares vmotion?
[17:08] <jpds> niekniekniek: I /think/, that if the storage controller dies, then the cloud nodes will run off their local copy of it.
[17:21] <cemc> twb: I read a little bit about this sheevaplug thingy, and as I understand the last version to run on it is Ubuntu 9.04, and after that that's it ? no more (up-to-date) ubuntu on that?
[17:23] <AntonyB> I have been searching everywhere but I can't find out if there is a possible solution to replace AD in windows server with openldap and samba in ubuntu, and is it posible to apply GPO
[17:23] <AntonyB> From a ubuntu server for a windows client?
[17:34] <AntonyB> Anybody>
[17:34] <AntonyB> ?
[17:34] <niekniekniek> bogeyd6, jpds, thanks!
[17:35] <niekniekniek> jpds: i'll try to find out if it does
[17:35] <niekniekniek> bogeyd6: i'll give it a read
[17:38] <niekniekniek> jpds: come to think of it, i guess it is not like that
[17:38] <niekniekniek> because live migration won't work if there's a local copy
[17:38] <niekniekniek> so i guess no local copy
[17:38] <niekniekniek> ?
[18:22] <niekniekniek> ok i read some more
[18:22] <niekniekniek> seems to me the ubuntu cloud has a single point of failure
[18:22] <niekniekniek> http://www.ubuntu.com/system/files/UbuntuEnterpriseCloudWP-Architecture-20090820.pdf
[18:23] <niekniekniek> the CLC/WS3
[18:23] <niekniekniek> anyone?
[18:46] <ruben23> hi..are there any application whihc i can deploy window xp and linux client desktop image on a multiple client pc on the network..installation purpose and image a desktop os
[18:49] <niekniekniek> ruben23: that would be clonezilla
[18:49] <ruben23> niekniekniek: both for windows and linux OS..?
[18:50] <niekniekniek> Features of Clonezilla:  Therefore you can clone GNU/Linux, MS windows and Intel-based Mac OS, no matter it's 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x86-64) OS. For these file systems, only used blocks in partition are saved and restored. For unsupported file system, sector-to-sector copy is done by dd in Clonezilla.
[18:51] <niekniekniek> sweet feature: Multicast is supported in Clonezilla SE, which is suitable for massively clone. You can also remotely use it to save or restore a bunch of computers if PXE and Wake-on-LAN are supported in your clients.
[18:53] <ruben23> niekniekniek:ow ok very nice..your using it..?
[18:54] <ruben23> im new to this, do you have somehow a kind of how to link..
[18:54] <niekniekniek> have you tried google? http://www.clonezilla.org/
[18:55] <niekniekniek> if you have a specific question i can maybe answer it
[18:57] <niekniekniek> and yes, i've used it in the past.. back then it required some more handwork then i expected, but it worked ok
[19:00] <niekniekniek> where should i go to learn more of the ubuntu cloud system?
[19:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #459403 in ubuntu-docs (main) "OpenLDAP server instructions out of date: slapd no longer creates initial directory (dup-of: 463684)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/459403
[20:38] <osmosis> I just noticed karmic has python 2.6, and no 2.5. So ubuntu is fully upgraded to the latest python? There are no 2.5 dependencies?? Im surprised. I thought it would be more work to get things working on 2.6 since it doesn't maintain backwards compatibility.
[20:41] <osmosis> err, that would be python3. nevermind.
[20:41] <ScottK> Also Karmic has 2.5.  It's Lucid that has only 2.6.
[21:12] <soren> ScottK: lucid still has python2.5.
[21:13] <soren> ScottK: and python2.4, apparantly.
[21:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #505278 in openssh (main) "ssh-add -D deleting all identities does not work. Also, why are all identities auto-added?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505278
[23:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #505297 in clamav (main) "package clamav-base 0.95.3+dfsg-1ubuntu0.09.04 failed to install/upgrade: id: clamav: No such user" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505297
[23:29] <metalf8801> I'm trying to use backuppc for the first time and I'm getting this error "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" and I'm wondering what I should do
[23:30] <metalf8801> does it mean I have the wrong workgroup name?
[23:44] <metalf8801> is anyone else using backuppc?
[23:54] <RoyK> metalf8801: hm. looks good - why not combine that with an opensolaris server with dedup+compression :)
[23:55] <metalf8801> I can't get it to work on my Ubuntu server which is what I want to do first
[23:57] <metalf8801> RoyK: what do you mean it looks good? its not working
[23:58] <RoyK> haven't tried it, but it looked good
[23:58] <RoyK> http://i.imgur.com/UEeKS.jpg lol


[00:10] <_Narc_> Bye guys, thanks for your help.
[00:45] <hggdh> OK. eeebotu will be offline for a few minutes for a reboot after security updates
[00:48] <hggdh> eeebotu is back
[01:11] <bibinou> micahg, if I can borrow a bit of your time
[01:11] <bibinou> about : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/476082
[01:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 476082 in firefox-3.5 "can't see or use add-ons" [Undecided,Invalid]
[01:11] <micahg> yes
[01:12] <bibinou> the fact that his profile became corrupt isn't a bug ?
[01:12] <micahg> not necesarily
[01:12] <micahg> could be the user ran FF as root
[01:12] <micahg> could be a bad extensions
[01:12] <micahg> *entension
[01:12] <micahg> *extension
[01:12] <bibinou> i'm new to this some I was not sure I this was resolved or not
[01:13] <bibinou> ok so I can close such bugs involving profile corruption
[01:13] <micahg> user had some extensions
[01:13] <bibinou> thanks !
[01:13] <micahg> bibinou: well, if the user tries to figure it out as to what's wrong, I usually give them a chance
[01:13] <micahg> this user seemed happy with a new profile
[01:13] <bibinou> ok
[01:14] <bibinou> i was about to give him some clue to migrate his bookmarks for instance
[01:14] <micahg> if there is a profile corruption issue that we can actually point to corruption due to firefox as an issue, that's a bug :)
[01:14] <micahg> bibinou: BTW, you might want to join bugsquad
[01:14] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad
[01:15] <bibinou> yeah but i don't really understand what is it all about
[01:15] <bibinou> if I'm tied to do some stuff if I join bugsquad
[01:15] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/
[01:15] <micahg> nope
[01:15] <micahg> not tied
[01:15] <micahg> you do what you can when you want
[01:16] <maco> you just have more permissions on launchpad
[01:16] <bibinou> micahg, ok thank you
[01:16] <bibinou> will do :)
[01:16] <micahg> maco: what extra permissions do bug squad members have?
[01:16] <maco> er oh wiat
[01:16] <maco> sorry no thats bugcontrol
[01:16] <maco> i fail at reading :)
[01:17] <micahg> :)
[01:17] <micahg> bibinou: if you have any questions about firefox bugs, feel free to ping me in here or in #ubuntu-mozillateam as I'm the primary triager for them as the moment
[01:17] <nigel_nb> hi
[01:18] <bibinou> micahg, ok thank you
[01:18] <nigel_nb> I just joined bug squad and went through the instructions and stuff
[01:18] <nigel_nb> just wanted to say Hi to everyone out here :)
[01:18] <micahg> hi nigel_nb, do you have any questions?
[01:19] <nigel_nb> micahg: so far the getting started guide is very informative.. I haven't started triaging bugs yet...
[01:19] <nigel_nb> micahg: wanted have everything ready in bookmarks so that I know exactly whats the problem
[01:19] <micahg> ok, feel free to ask any questions you have, there's usually someone in here most of the time
[01:20] <nigel_nb> micahg: thanks.  Will do :)
[01:42] <bibinou> I don't really "get" the difference between package and project on launchpad, from a maintener point of view
[01:43] <bibinou> what is the point for mozilla to have a project on launchpad for instance ?
[01:43] <micahg> bibinou: upstream contact
[01:43] <micahg> that's where we link to bugzilla.mozilla.org
[01:43] <bibinou> ok
[04:41] <dtchen> ahhh. After a long week, finally inbox zero for new Karmic audio bugs.
[06:11] <ausimage> I am wondering if anyone has caught on that dbus is broken in Karmic yet ???
[06:12] <ausimage> I just verified this with google...
[06:12] <micahg> ausimage: can you be more specific?
[06:12] <ausimage> I personal have at least two broken apps due to Unhandled message: interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable
[06:13] <ausimage> Looking at the search results... epiphany... vinagre... scanning and printing setup at least are effected
[06:14] <micahg> vinagre is bug 429989
[06:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 429989 in vinagre "vinagre WARNING: Unhandled message: interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429989
[06:14] <ausimage> Bug #440767
[06:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 440767 in system-config-printer "When configuring HP PSC2510 printer scanner, scanner not setup" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/440767
[06:15] <micahg> epiphany is bug 459593
[06:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 459593 in epiphany-browser "epiphany-browser bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/459593
[06:15] <ausimage> yeah all caught by dbus...
[06:15] <ausimage> though filed under the app itself...
[06:15] <ausimage> I filed under epiphany myself :S
[06:16] <ausimage> though I did not realize at the time the extent of the breakage
[06:16] <micahg> well, I don't know much about dbus
[06:16] <ausimage> neither do I... should these really be merged ?? :/
[06:17] <micahg> I don't know, I suggest coming back later Sunday when someone else is in here
[06:17] <ausimage> micahg: my other concern is that it appears centered around ubuntu... like a dbus patch was not applied or something :S
[06:18] <micahg> well, thank you for being concerned :)
[06:19] <ausimage> I don't do alot of triage myself... but I did notice the pattern
[06:19] <ausimage> ;)
[06:19] <ausimage> I will try to drop in tomorrow again... though I have a full day with a release party... :)
[06:20] <micahg> so, the best thing would probably be to come back in a while
[06:20] <ausimage> hmmm micahg what TZ u?
[06:20]  * ausimage EST
[06:21]  * micahg is in CDT
[06:21] <micahg> oops
[06:21] <micahg> CST
[06:21] <ausimage> ah midwest ;)
[06:21] <micahg> yeah, so in about 10 hours would probably be when the american people get in here
[06:22] <micahg> on Monday, you can be sure to find someone in here
[06:22] <ausimage> then I will definitely try back Monday... thought I hope some do scan their scroll back in the mean time ;)
[06:23] <ausimage> laterz....
[11:17] <Promethes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/410407 - this is very annoying bug (Flash is not recognizing mouse clicks in multiple situations) and maybe i am wrong but isee that this will not be fixed in Karmic ("Declined  for Karmic"). Anyone knows why? Solution for this bug is present in comments on that page
[11:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410407 in flashplugin-nonfree "[READ DESCRIPTION] Flash is not recognizing mouse clicks in multiple situations" [High,Confirmed]
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Promethes: because that file that gets modified is directly from adobe
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Promethes: and it's in the licence agreement that the files can't be modified
[11:31] <Hobbsee> it appears
[11:33]  * Hobbsee hasn't checked the licence file recently, but that's the general reason why we can't redistribute it how we'd like, or change it
[11:36] <Promethes> Hobbsee: as far as i can see, this bug affects only 64bit karmic when flash 32bit is used (through nspluginwrapper) and one change  in /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer makes this bug disappear
[11:38] <Hobbsee> hm, it's gpl'd
[11:39] <Hobbsee> there's got to be another reason why they haven't put it in, then
[13:48] <yofel> bdmurray: I'm not sure hwo to ask, but the kernel stock reply in the ffx-lp-improvements is out of sync with Bugs/Responses, can anyone update this?
[13:48] <yofel> s/hwo/who/
[15:34] <bdmurray> yofel: can you send me an e-mail about that and I'll sort it out
[15:57] <toresbe> Hello folks :)
[15:58] <toresbe> I think I have what appears to be a bug on a fresh Karmic install. "Enable wireless" is greyed out in nm-applet.
[16:01] <toresbe> I was thinking I should enclose the WLAN-relevant part of dmesg, the relevant parts of syslog and the output of nm-tool, iwconfig and ifconfig
[16:01] <toresbe> any more or less?
[16:15] <greg-g> toresbe: that is a good set of info. I'm wondering if it might be kernel related (kernel not recognizing the card?)
[16:16] <dtchen> I'd add /proc/interrupts
[16:19] <greg-g> toresbe: ^ I'd trust dtchen  :)
[16:19] <mrand> dtchen: So besides wrong kernel and volume set to zero, mind sharing some bug numbers for the most common audio bugs and fixes?  [re: dtchen: ahhh. After a long week, finally inbox zero for new Karmic audio bugs.]
[16:21] <dtchen> mrand: I blogged about this already.
[16:21] <dtchen> drowninginbugs.blogspot, see the latest
[16:21] <mrand> cool.  Thanks!
[16:21] <mrand> funny title, btw.
[16:21] <mrand> even if it is accurate
[16:22] <dtchen> best to keep things lighthearted, I find
[16:24] <mrand> I saw a case of the wrong kernel when someone did a upgrade-manager -d (before Karmic was released).  The upgrade jumped him directly from 8.04 or 8.10 to Karmic, but didn't give him the karmic kernel.
[16:24] <toresbe> ah, no, sorry, I was imprecise. It is greyed out, but the card works perfectly when used with iwconfig/dhclient.
[16:24] <toresbe> Additionally, nm-tool displays the card.
[16:25] <greg-g> toresbe: ahh, nevermind about my idea then :)
[16:25] <dtchen> toresbe: network-manager-applet is the affected src
[16:26] <dtchen> I'm a bit dismayed that the hal/devicekit/udev convergence is leading to a requirement to have perfectly aligned bits from the kernel upward
[18:10] <_Narc_> Hi everyone, sorry to bother again. Anyone here can tell me if a Live CD issue - or suggestion - concerning error messages from the installer should be assigned to the ubiquity package ? Thanks a lot.
[18:13] <micahg> _Narc_: depends on the issue
[18:13] <micahg> ah error messages from the installer
[18:13] <micahg> do you have a pastebin of the errors?
[18:14] <_Narc_> Yes, it's someone from Brainstorm, suggesting that the message "Unable to read block ..." is not very user-friendly...
[18:15] <_Narc_> It's not a really a bug, just an idea, but someone on Brainstorm told him to post a bug report
[18:15] <_Narc_> So I wondered...
[18:19] <dtchen> yes, affecting ubiquity and setting the Importance to Wishlist is fine
[18:19] <micahg> well, we'll set the impotance, you can file the bug :)
[18:19] <micahg> oops
[18:19] <micahg> importance
[18:19] <dtchen> I'm not setting any impotence!
[18:19] <_Narc_> Haha
[18:19] <_Narc_> Good for you then
[18:20] <_Narc_> Okay, I'm affecting it to ubiquity then.
[18:20] <_Narc_> THanks
[18:22] <dtchen> ah, here come the comments: "Why didn't you test any hardware?"
[18:23] <dtchen> I'm at a loss how I'm supposed to test hardware that I don't physically possess. The fact that the user doesn't help test *before* the final release isn't helpful, either. So -- how do we test before we test?
[18:23] <dtchen> I need a time machine, preferably a TARDIS.
[18:23] <micahg> simulator?
[18:24] <micahg> is it possible to have unit tests for audio like you do for code?
[18:24] <dtchen> what sort of simulator?
[18:24] <micahg> idk
[18:24] <micahg> hw simulator
[18:24] <dtchen> sure, that will test the kernel layer and nothing else
[18:24] <dtchen> and of course that presumes that the model is 100% correct
[18:24] <micahg> well, all test suites assume that
[18:24] <dtchen> (which it isn't and can't be, because the drivers themselves aren't current/correct)
[18:25] <dtchen> test suites can deal with their own layer
[18:25] <dtchen> they can't deal with a broken bios, a broken linux, a broken alsa-lib, etc.
[18:25] <micahg> ah
[18:25] <dtchen> i.e., writing a test for hda-emu won't mean a thing for the broken Dell bioses
[18:26] <dtchen> or Toshiba bioses, or ASUS bioses, or Acer bioses, ...
[18:39] <_Narc_> ...so if I get this right, about Live CD bugs, any problem encountered before the installer actually booted is to be filled under the kernel and anything happening after under ubiquity, right ?...
[18:42] <dtchen> well, no; there's also casper.
[18:44] <_Narc_> Oh... It's more subtle then.
[18:44] <_Narc_> I'll read about that, thanks.
[18:55] <Awsoonn_> bug 478572 <- I'm lookign for assistance on where to go next on resoliving this issue.
[18:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478572 in linux "[Regression] wpc11 pcimca Wireless card cannot see wireless networks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478572
[19:02] <dtchen> Awsoonn_: install linux-backports-modules-karmic-generic and reboot
[19:03] <dtchen> Awsoonn_: and, you really want to be using karmic-proposed
[19:03] <dtchen>      <IP_ADDRESS>.28 0
[19:03] <dtchen>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main Packages
[19:03] <dtchen> Ubuntu 2.6.31-15.49-generic
[19:06] <Awsoonn_> dtchen: why do I want to use karmic-proposed ? and do I want to use the backports and proposed or just one or the other?
[19:07] <dtchen> Awsoonn_: for the new kernel. And linux-backports-modules-karmic-generic has nothing to do with the karmic-backports pocket.
[19:07] <dtchen> Awsoonn_: linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-15-generic is in karmic/universe, not karmic-backports/universe
[19:08] <Awsoonn_> dtchen: you are a great help, Thank you so much
[19:09] <dtchen> np
[19:10] <Awsoonn_> do you think that it would be a good idea to encorporate this into Jockey so that it automaticly installs the drivers for this card when detected?
[19:11] <dtchen> that would probably require promoting linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r) into main, which isn't going to happen
[19:11] <dtchen> not that it isn't possible, of course
[19:12] <dtchen> is your symptom resolved after rebooting with linux-backports-modules-karmic-generic installed?
[19:12] <Awsoonn_> fglrx is not in main, but is part of jockey's make-it-happen-action, I'm thinking a similar action might be do-able. I'm installing now
[19:12] <dtchen> fglrx is in restricted
[19:12] <dtchen> it's essentially at the same level as main
[19:13] <dtchen> restricted is maintained; universe isn't
[19:13] <Awsoonn_> I see~
[19:15] <micahg> Awsoonn_: multiverse is the restricted universe
[19:18] <Awsoonn_> by installing the backports I have progress but no cigar
[19:18] <Awsoonn_> I can't see any networks, but I dont get an I/O error
[19:23] <dtchen> and this is using a fully updated karmic-proposed + karmic-updates system?
[19:23] <Awsoonn_> i am updating from proposed now, all updates are applied.
[19:24] <Awsoonn_> I just wanted to leave a note in LP before proceeding. :)
[19:27] <_Narc_> Sorry to interrupt with a noob question but where am I supposed to fill a KernelOops concerning the 2.6.31-14 kernel... since linux-source doesn't have any 2.6.31...and I can't find any linux-headers/image...  I'm sorting bugs without package, I'm not the reporter.
[19:29] <Awsoonn_> the package is 'linux'
[19:30] <Awsoonn_> if you're still unsure post the bug number here and we'll take a peek
[19:30] <_Narc_> Oh, okay sorry, thought you were talking about the ubuntu-bug command.
[19:30] <_Narc_> Ok
[19:30] <_Narc_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/478607
[19:30] <Awsoonn_> :D
[19:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478607 in ubuntu "Guessing that the bug is encountered when logging out of some websites" [Undecided,New]
[19:31] <_Narc_> I definitely will change the description
[19:34] <Awsoonn_> yea, look at the oopsText.txt
[19:34] <Awsoonn_> you can see that this error was caused by a resume error
[19:35] <_Narc_> pm-utils then.... ?
[19:35] <Awsoonn_> so it can be filed under linux, and I think there is a group you can subsribe that handles these kinds of erros, let me look through teh wiki
[19:36] <JonyBlaze> first check to see if its a duplicate
[19:36] <JonyBlaze> other bugs it looks like have the same problem
[19:37] <Awsoonn_> I actually think I had this bug this morning... :) I failed to look into it very deeply though.
[19:37] <_Narc_> Ok, thanks. I suspected pm-utils because of "power/suspend_test" and "pm-suspend Tainted" but was about to fill it under kernel, to avoid taking bad initiative.
[19:38] <_Narc_> I'll check for dupes, yes
[19:39] <JonyBlaze> specificly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/417842
[19:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417842 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.31/kernel/power/suspend_test.c:52 suspend_test_finish+0x7c/0x80()" [Low,In progress]
[19:42] <_Narc_> The oopstext is the same but it's not on the same architecture. does it matter ?
[19:44] <JonyBlaze> it might in some cases but not always
[19:45] <_Narc_> is there a way to know ?
[19:45] <Awsoonn_> intuition. :)
[19:45] <_Narc_> to avoid asking each time
[19:45] <_Narc_> Haha
[19:45] <_Narc_> Yeah
[19:46] <_Narc_> I guess I'm not intimate enough  with the kernel yet
[19:46] <Awsoonn_> I'd say that is jsut about right, you learn more and more as you go, in this case I'd say no, and since you've found one duplicate yOu might wnat to round up other dups
[19:47] <Awsoonn_> when did you begin triaging?
[19:47] <_Narc_> Few days ago
[19:47] <_Narc_> Noob really
[19:47] <Awsoonn_> right on, I'm glad to hear that you're sticking to it. :)
[19:47] <_Narc_> But I read.
[19:48] <_Narc_> Yes I do, I really like to, and as you say, it's a very good way to learn and help at the same time
[19:48] <Awsoonn_> We always need triagers :) epsecially ones that ask questions and read the wiki. :)
[19:49] <_Narc_> Ok, I fit in then. But I try not to ask to much questions here because I don't wanna bother gurus like you guys
[19:50] <dtchen> hey cool, someone translated my blog post into Spanish! http://bitelia.com/2009/11/como-arreglar-problemas-de-sonido-en-ubuntu-910
[19:50] <dtchen> well, not really translated, but explained. That's even cooler.
[19:51] <Awsoonn_> I think it's ok to makr them as duplicates in this case. it is the same line of code that is throwing the error afterall
[19:52] <Awsoonn_> woah scrolled up, and didnt' notice, sorry :P
[19:52] <_Narc_> Yes, and the oops looks the same. I'll change the title and mark it as dupe. Thanks for helping
[19:53]  * Awsoonn_ pats dtchen, I wish I knew spanish so I could understand. :P
[19:57] <_Narc_> is it okay to mark them both as duplicates of each other ?
[19:57] <_Narc_> 'Cause #417842 has a huge list of dupes
[19:57] <Awsoonn> only mark the new one as a dupe of the bigger one
[19:58] <Awsoonn> the bug with the more information is the 'original' and the other one is the 'duplicate', and yea, it has a TON. :P
[19:59] <Awsoonn> i read into it a ways down and this error is simply stating that reusme took longer than 5 seconds and it is reporting to LP so that the issue can be investigated more.
[20:00] <_Narc_> It has been or will be investigated obviously with a huge list like this :P
[20:01] <_Narc_> Ya, I still got mixed up with duplicates
[20:01] <Awsoonn> *nods* hence the huge importance of grouping dups, which apport is doing an awesome job of. :)
[20:03] <_Narc_> by grouping you mean looking for some and marking them as such ? or something else I don't know yet ?
[20:08] <_Narc_> Sorry I misread.
[20:13] <Awsoonn> yea, if there is a bug that you think might have a lot of dups, you can look for them and mark them as a dups of one another.
[20:13] <Awsoonn> There is a lot of things that a triager can do :D
[20:14] <Awsoonn> what do you hope to do for Ubuntu someday Narc? (just curious)
[20:15] <_Narc_> Well, I've been a huge fan of computing and open-source philosophy for years now, and I hope one day - when my programming skills will be way better - I could help improving it too.
[20:16] <_Narc_> For now, I decided to do what I can do, translating, triaging, a bit of evangelism too :)
[20:17] <Awsoonn> :) are you a student by chance?
[20:17] <_Narc_> Sort of.
[20:17] <_Narc_> I'm an "autodidact".
[20:17] <dtchen> Awsoonn: meaning "work for" Canonical?
[20:17] <_Narc_> Haha
[20:18] <dtchen> you can't "work for" Ubuntu, which is just a distribution :-)
[20:18] <Awsoonn> dtchen: nope, I just ment in a community senece
[20:19] <Awsoonn> dtchen, I finished installing form proposed and updates and I have interesting results....
[20:20] <dtchen> I think he's already "working for" Ubuntu in that sense :-)
[20:20] <Awsoonn> oh indeed, no doubt, :D I was just wondering the future goals. He seems similar to myself
[20:21] <Awsoonn> I got started Triaging to learn the software archetecture, then translating to give in a new way and I run a LUG here in my town. When I have time I put together patches for simple things.
[20:22] <dtchen> excellent
[20:22] <Awsoonn> I drank the kool-aid :P
[20:22] <_Narc_> Hahaha
[20:23] <Awsoonn> how 'bout you dtchen? are you a Connonicl employee?
[20:23] <Awsoonn> I think I remember a Chen that works on audio for Ubuntu. I been worndering if that is you.
[20:24] <dtchen> I am not an employee, no.
[20:24] <maco> yes thats him but he doesnt work for canonical
[20:25] <Awsoonn> I see. :)
[20:27] <_Narc_> The job of my dreams. * grins *
[20:35] <_Narc_> One last before going, just to see if I'm learning. What about bug #478547 ? I'd file it under "ubiquity" and not linux since booting live cd is ok but not intalling... What do you think ?
[20:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478547 in ubuntu "ubuntu 9.10 won't install on dell dimension e520" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478547
[20:38] <dtchen> _Narc_: nah, that's a linux bug.
[20:38] <_Narc_> damn
[20:38] <dtchen> it may also have an X driver component, but I haven't looked further
[20:41] <_Narc_> I misread the wiki then. I thought it was a linux bug when booting live cd was a problem.
[20:41] <_Narc_> Thanks
[20:42] <dtchen> well, this one doesn't follow the normal pattern
[20:45] <_Narc_> I'm always unwillingly good at picking special/odd cases as examples.
[20:46] <dtchen> that's okay
[21:15] <nigel_nb> is bug 295673 still an issue with karmic or do we have a fix?
[21:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 295673 in f-spot "Crashes upon attaching Kodak Easy Share v1003" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/295673
[21:15] <nigel_nb> #295673
[22:35] <_Narc_> Someone can tell me what to do of hardware support requests filled as bugs - except helping or redirecting to the forums ? Invalid ? Thanks a lot
[22:36] <maco> if its not supported...bug against linux
[22:36] <maco> if its 'Help!' convert to question
[22:37] <_Narc_> Well, it's both in this case, I checked and its not supported but the user is asking support and help, "new to linux" etc
[22:38] <_Narc_> But thanks, I didn't know unsupported had to be considered bugs.
[22:40] <maco> yeah.. i mean, if theres no driver or the driver doesnt work...thats a bug
[22:40] <maco> the driver needs to be written
[22:40] <maco> or fixed
[22:42] <_Narc_> Ok. Logical, when you see it that way.
[23:13] <caolin> If a user files a bug and then later discovers that there was a usage problem rather than a bug, should the bug be simply be marked "invalid" or should it be turned into a question and marked as answered?


[13:00] <mortal> microsoft changed something and pidgin cannot connect to msn
[13:00] <nisshh> mortal, and your surprised they did that? :)
[13:01] <mortal> I wonder how fast ubuntu maverick will get the update
[13:02] <devildante> mortal: we don't know if pidgin solved the issue
[13:02] <pedro_> empathy is still working fine with MSN though
[13:02] <devildante> oh
[13:02] <mortal> devildante: I had to do the workaround
[13:03] <mortal> http://blog.andreineculau.com/2010/11/pidgin-and-msn-certificate-error-for-omega-contacts-msn-com/
[13:03] <devildante> I see
[13:03] <mortal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/676972
[13:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 676972 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "pidgin does not connect to msn, certificate error (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:10] <mortal> devildante: the current pidgin does not work without the workaround
[13:10] <devildante> ah
[13:13] <mortal> could someone confirm my bug report?
[13:13] <mortal> imo it is a very important bug which should be fixed fast
[13:22] <kamusin> mortal,  maybe is http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/12906
[14:47] <janpol> Hello everyone! Is anyone free to help me with my first triaging, I wanna do it right :). I've been taking a look at bug #641882 and found a workaround (I posted it in a comment). What should I do now? set it to Incomplete? (since I have to wait for someone to confirm that the solution I posted actually fixes this bug). Also I think this is a duplicate of bug #671369. So, I should also mark it as a duplicate. Is this right? or
[14:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641882 in ubuntu "header files matching your running kernel were not found (affects: 3) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641882
[14:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 671369 in ubuntu "After 10.10 update vmmon failed to compile (affects: 4) (heat: 253)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/671369
[14:48] <janpol> Thanks in advance :)
[14:50] <devildante> janpol: checking
[14:51] <charlie-tca> A workaround is not considered a fix, it is simply a procedure to allow the use of the package causing issues until is a fix is found
[14:54] <devildante> janpol: the other way around: the second bug is a duplicate of the first one
[14:54] <janpol> yeah, but this is a problem related to vmware and not to ubuntu or an ubuntu package, so there's nothing to fix from the ubuntu side. That's still considered a workaround?
[14:54] <janpol> ok, thanks devildante
[14:54] <devildante> janpol: so mark the second bug as duplicate and mark the first one as Confirmed
[14:54] <devildante> janpol: you're welcome
[14:55] <charlie-tca> yes, it is still considered a workaround. In that case, a fix would come down from vmware
[14:56] <janpol> ok, thanks charlie
[14:56] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[14:58] <janpol> done :)
[14:58] <kamusin> yofel_,  if one of greasemoney devs have time please look bug 677018 :)
[14:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 677018 in launchpad-gm-scripts "gnome-power-bugreport not exists in path (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677018
[15:01] <janpol> I've been looking at a comment Kamus made in #641882.: " it seems that you are not using a software package provided by the official Ubuntu repositories. Because of this the Ubuntu project can not support or fix your particular bug. Please report this bug to the provider of the software package" then he marked the bug as invalid, and somebody else changed it back to New, since he says is because something is missing in ubuntu's
[15:03] <janpol> if the workaround I posted fixes the problem, shouldn't I mark it as Invalid since is a problem caused by vmware? (based on Kamu's comment)
[15:04] <charlie-tca> no, because it is still a bug
[15:05] <charlie-tca> wait a minute
[15:05] <charlie-tca> kamusin: why are you having janpol confirm the bug you made invalid?
[15:06] <kamusin> charlie-tca, was a mouse-mistake sorry about it
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Thank you.
[15:06] <kamusin> give me 5 seconds
[15:06] <devildante> charlie-tca: only that I'm the one who told him to confirm it
[15:06] <devildante> I think :p
[15:07] <janpol> haha
[15:07] <charlie-tca> so is it valid or invalid?
[15:07] <charlie-tca> janpol: workarounds should be documented according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[15:07] <kamusin> upstream said that is invalid
[15:07] <charlie-tca> Thank you.
[15:08] <janpol> so, Invalid?
[15:08] <devildante> charlie-tca: I saw one comment there saying that it worked on other distros
[15:08] <charlie-tca> janpol: it is going to be invalid. I will go back and mark/comment it
[15:08] <janpol> I should set it to invalid? or are you gonna do it?
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I will. I might get more difficult based on comments now
[15:10] <kamusin> nobody else has confirmed.. I have heard something similar in empathy few days ago..
[15:11] <devildante> kamusin: there is a duplicate, I think
[15:11] <devildante> kamusin: and duplicates confirm the bug ;)
[15:11] <janpol> so, I should have included the keyword "workaround" in my comment right? Is there a way to edit it? Or add a new comment with that word and a link to the previous one?
[15:11] <kamusin> do you have the number? please
[15:11] <janpol> 641882
[15:12] <janpol> duplicate:671369
[15:12] <devildante> bug 671369
[15:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 671369 in ubuntu "After 10.10 update vmmon failed to compile (dup-of: 641882)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/671369
[15:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641882 in ubuntu "header files matching your running kernel were not found (affects: 7) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641882
[15:12] <kamusin> sure?
[15:12] <devildante> that seems so
[15:12] <charlie-tca> janpol: the workaround is moved directly into the description area
[15:13] <charlie-tca> by editing the description, you add "WORKAROUND:
[15:13] <charlie-tca> at the bottom and then add the actual procedure. That keeps it visible in the report. Otherwise, the next reporter has to read every comment to try and find it
[15:13] <devildante> janpol: to make a great description, check out wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[15:14] <janpol> ok
[15:18] <kamusin> thanks devildante , you are my hero today
[15:19] <devildante> kamusin: lol
[15:19] <devildante> kamusin: np ;)
[15:20] <janpol> notice that the workaround hasn't been confirmed by the bug reporter (that's why was going to set the status to Incomplete). Should I still add it to the description? (sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to do this the right way :p)
[15:20] <charlie-tca> We don't require them to comfirm it
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Sure, you can add it to description. It might make it easier
[15:21] <charlie-tca> devildante: so did I screw up now on bug 641882 ?
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641882 in ubuntu "header files matching your running kernel were not found (affects: 7) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641882
[15:22] <janpol> ok, I'll add it and then ask you for a review
[15:23] <devildante> charlie-tca: I saw that comment: "The defective software is the ubuntu kernel headers which are missing items contained in the standard linux headers releases seen with all other distributions."
[15:23] <devildante> charlie-tca: so I thought it wouldn't be invalid
[15:24] <devildante> charlie-tca: plus the existence of a workaround means there is something we could fix
[15:24] <charlie-tca> We aren't other distros
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Workaround only means low priority
[15:24] <devildante> charlie-tca: that's my opinion... maybe I did screw up after all :p
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Many bugs with workarounds will never see a real fix because it is easy to workaround the issue
[15:25] <devildante> charlie-tca: that doesn't mean that this is not a bug
[15:26] <charlie-tca> valid
[15:27] <devildante> charlie-tca: so it shouldn't be marked as invalid
[15:27] <charlie-tca> I thought the comment to use the latest was valid. I screwed it up
[15:27] <charlie-tca> So you or me to fix it now?
[15:28] <janpol> if I use the "Add attachment or patch" button, the script I add (for the workaround) will appear as a new comment at the bottom right? Is better to just add a wget to the source in the description?
[15:29] <devildante> janpol: no, attach it
[15:29] <janpol> ok
[15:29] <devildante> janpol: so it's stored for the lifetime of launchpad
[15:33] <kamusin> is not enough just have a ticket under answers?
[15:33] <janpol> since this is a workaround, I shouldn't mark this attachment as a solution for this bug right?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> janpol: right
[15:37] <janpol> ok, updated description for 641882
[15:39] <charlie-tca> janpol: Good job. Thanks for helping with bugs
[15:39] <kamusin> I have linked answer track with bug report then
[15:40] <janpol> I'm just trying to give something (even this little) back to the community that has already given me so mutch
[15:40] <janpol> *so much
[15:44] <janpol> and thank you guys for the gelp :)
[15:44] <janpol> help ¬¬
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Is everybody aware of the BugDay today? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20101118
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Many easy to triage/work bugs available!
[15:45] <janpol> :)
[16:17] <bdmurray> mvo: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/update-manager/upgrade-canceled-wording/+merge/41121
[16:19] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks, will do
[16:29] <ttrubuntu> hi when is uug-day?
[16:30] <ttrubuntu> when is the bug day... in how much time?
[16:32] <Pici> ttrubuntu: Nov 18th
[16:33] <ttrubuntu> Pici: it is 18th nov for me. pls tell me GMT ?
[16:34] <Pici> ttrubuntu: I guess its GMT/UTC.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20101118 for more info
[16:35] <ttrubuntu> i visited there. it say 9th nov
[16:37] <charlie-tca> ttrubuntu: anytime it is the 18th in your time zone
[16:38] <ttrubuntu> charlie-tca: i didn't get u. yes  in my timezone already its 18th nov. but WHAT time is it schecduled?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> It is scheduled for 18 nov, in each persons time zone
[16:39] <charlie-tca> runs about 35 hours
[16:48] <charlie-tca> ttrubuntu: Does that answer it? It will be 00:00 your timezone to 23:59 your time zone
[16:49] <ttrubuntu> oh is it. thnaks for the clarifications. it's first time u know.
[16:49] <charlie-tca> No problem. We are glad you made it
[16:51] <ttrubuntu> firstly, i migrated to open source (esp ubuntu) recently and i really liked philosophy, quality of products, support... everything.
[16:51] <ttrubuntu> no question of going back to windows. yes.
[16:53] <ttrubuntu> since it's bug meeting: 1 problem i faced in firefox. when i open more tabs say(5-8) my system hangs.
[16:53] <mvo> bdmurray: many thanks, merged into trunk
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Might be hardware.
[16:54] <ttrubuntu> ok. my h/w is amd athlon 1.2 ghz processoor, 1.2 GB RAM
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Is there a bug reported for that?
[16:55] <ttrubuntu> ~8 years old, though ubuntu 10.04 runs superbly on it
[16:55] <ttrubuntu> no.
[16:56] <ttrubuntu> created launchpad a/c today. shall i report bug?
[16:56] <njin> hello guys, where usually is stored cookies.sqlite to use in the hugday tool ? from search i've got only  /proc/2533/fd/45, but when i close the Firefox to run the command the cookies.sqlite i have## Error while trying to read cookie in sql format, cannot handle format of '/proc/2533/fd/45/cookies.sqlite' and if lauch anther time it cannot found the file
[16:56] <charlie-tca> You should check launchpad to see if there is one already
[16:56] <ttrubuntu> ok. i will.
[16:57] <charlie-tca> I use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ to search for bugs
[16:58] <ttrubuntu> 2nd:  some times i click on power button in GUI and click  shutdown nothing happens
[16:58] <ttrubuntu> i will search for the bug
[16:59] <ttrubuntu> i used hard reset and chose the shutdown from there
[17:01] <ttrubuntu> what could be the problem in GUI power button?
[17:02] <njin> pedro_: hello fellow, can you stop eating roasted duck that is raining down and look at my hugday tool problem, thanks ;-)^^^^^^^^
[17:02] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure. could be something kernel, video, or power-manager related, I guess.
[17:03] <ttrubuntu> ok
[17:03] <ttrubuntu> away
[17:06]  * njin thinks that these roasted ducks are very good
[17:07] <njin> thekorn: can i disturb ?
[17:09] <thekorn> njin: hey, what's up?
[17:09] <njin> thekorn: hello where usually is stored cookies.sqlite to use in the hugday tool ? from search i've got only  /proc/2533/fd/45, but when i close the Firefox to run the command i have## Error while trying to read cookie in sql format, cannot handle format of '/proc/2533/fd/45/cookies.sqlite' and if lauch anther time it cannot found
[17:10] <thekorn> njin: you are using firefox 3 as your browser, corrct?
[17:11] <thekorn> s/corrct/correct
[17:11] <njin> thekorn: 3.6.12
[17:11] <thekorn> then it is:
[17:12] <thekorn> ~/.mozilla/firefox/XXX/cookies.sqlite
[17:12] <njin> the korn: thanks fellow
[17:12] <thekorn> where XXX is some random string, most probably ending by .default
[17:12] <njin> thekorn: ok
[17:13] <njin> yes, there is
[17:31] <yofel_> kamusin: You can update the responses for the gm-scripts yourself as the xml file is part of lp:ubuntu-qa-tools now (gm-xml-files/bugsquad-replies.xml) - the replies are synced from there a few times a day. Commit it directly if you're in Bug Control or file a merge request if not.
[17:31] <kamusin> yofel, great!
[17:32] <njin> sorry for the noob, but hugday close<PHONE_NUMBER>6 3456 456 (in the wiki) what mean? (hugday close bugnumber?) thanks
[17:32] <yofel> probably use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Debugging%20GNOME%20Power%20Manager or update that too
[17:33] <pedro_> njin, if you execute that it will mark the bug(s) as triaged on the current bug day page
[17:36] <njin> pedro_: hello, sorrry my little brain but the exact form then is: hugday close 675105 (for the bug 675105?) thanks
[17:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675105 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "power manager fault alarm (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675105
[17:43] <pedro_> njin, if you already triaged that bug, yes
[17:43] <njin> ok, thanks
[17:45] <yofel> what is one supposed to file a bug agiainst if an rfkill block isn't released properly on unblock? If I unblock my wireless on my eeePC ifconfig shows wlan0, but trying to connect gives: 'SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill' and wlan0 is down again
[17:46] <yofel> I need to boot unblocked so wireless works
[17:47] <ScottK> yofel: Probably the kernel.
[17:49] <yofel> I can agree with that, $me goes filing..
[21:20] <spsalsm> This isn't irc.freenode.net, is it?
[22:24] <hggdh> yes, it is
[23:32] <bdmurray> Anybody know OpenOffice well enough to recreate bug 585867 regarding vba functions?
[23:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585867 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Missing VBA functions in OOo (affects: 5) (heat: 37)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585867


[00:33] <purukumi> guden,  hätte mal ne frage zum bootvorgang meines laptops, habe die bootzeit mal gestoppt und die liegt bei etwa 50 sek. bis zum login-screen und etwa 1:30 min bis zum desktop..habe dann mal im terminal mit dmesg geschaut was denn so lange dauert und habe festgestellt, dass das bluetooth etwa 40 sekunden gebraucht hat, hab es dann in /etc/rc.local durch den befehl rfkill block bluetooth ausgeschaltet (und im bios ebenso)..habe
[00:33] <purukumi> hochgefahren und es dauert immernoch genauso lange, in dmesg zeigt er mir 30 sekunden an - was allerdings nicht wirklich stimmt --ps.sorry für langen post :P
[04:26] <HoolaHoop> What exactly i this "unatende" process which runs as root which sometimes locks package management ? I cant seem to find out what it is and why it locks the lock file
[04:26] <HoolaHoop> for package management with apt
[07:07] <cojack> \o/
[09:25] <kubuntu1> I have a kindle mtp device I noticed that on kubuntu 16.04 it only detects the kindle in USB mode on complete reboot not if I unplug and replug in the device
[09:25] <kubuntu1> how to fix ? It looks like something in KDE
[09:29] <kubuntu1> ANy idea why this happens
[09:47] <kubuntu1> funny the kindle is detected on reboot but not on plug n play
[11:37] <qwandor> hi... I've just upgraded my mum's computer from Kubuntu 14.04 to 16.04, and now whenever she logs in plasmashell crashes and she gets a blank screen (just showing the desktop image, nothing else)
[11:37] <qwandor> the problem seems to happen for all users, even a freshly added one, so it's not caused by any config under /home
[11:38] <qwandor> she sees "We are sorry plasma closed unexpectedly, Executable: plasmashell PID: 4207 signal: segmentation fault 11"
[11:38] <qwandor> I'm trying to debug remotely over a (slow) SSH connection
[11:38] <qwandor> anyone seen this before? or any ideas of things I can lookat
[11:38] <qwandor> ?
[11:39] <qwandor> I see messages like "Executable: plasmashell PID: 4207 signal: segmentation fault 11" in .xsession-errors, not sure if that is related
[11:41] <qwandor> it looks like it crashes and is restracted a few times then gives up
[11:44] <DottorLeo> hi!
[11:45] <DottorLeo> someone here has a laptop with Intel+nVidia combo? how is your experience?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:33] <geese> hello
[15:12] <seele> can someone help with uefi booting? the dell and ubuntu instructions dont seem to work
[15:13] <seele> when i boot the installer secure boot isnt giving me disk access to install
[15:34] <BluesKaj> sessel, disable secure boot if possible in the uefi/bios, also fast boot if that's enabled
[16:18] <ghostcube_> hi folks, just installed 16.04.01.  automatic driver detection isnt working.
[16:18] <ghostcube_> any known workarrounds?
[16:23] <acheronuk> sudo apt-get install apt-xapian-index && sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[16:29] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, hope he doesn't get the bug update-apt-xapian-index has on my pc
[16:29] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: not had a problem with it here on xenial or yakkety
[16:30] <BluesKaj> if you pc have more thn 2 cpu cores ghostcube_ , then you probly won't notice it
[16:30] <BluesKaj> your has
[16:31] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, then your cpu is probly more current than mine
[16:33] <acheronuk> not seen it running excessively on any core, and I do pay attention to anything that does
[16:39] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, do you use muon?  not discover, I mean the original which I use as a package reference
[16:40] <BluesKaj> that could be the culprit from what I've read, muon and synaptic
[16:43] <acheronuk> I use synaptic, and it will run it briefly to update the index, then stops
[17:06] <ghostcube_> hmm the xapian install was for me?
[17:07] <ghostcube_> if so it didnt bring any effect
[17:08] <ghostcube_> BluesKaj: its an old core2duo that i upgraded to more ram and new grafic. but the install hasent changed anything for the driver detection
[17:09] <ghostcube_> systemsettings is just buggy as hell here crashes very often
[17:09] <ghostcube_> brb
[17:16] <ghostcube_> kmenu couldnt be opened if any other window is in focus.
[17:16] <ghostcube_> or even not minimized
[17:26] <ghostcube_> hmm ok strange behaviour. if any window is opened i cant use any of the mini apps inside the plasma panel. its just not staying opened
[17:26] <ghostcube_> is this caused by any option in the settings for the effects or something in this direction?
[17:28] <ghostcube_> uh got it
[17:28] <ghostcube_> prevent focus stealing  ... if set to high it wont work
[18:19] <ghostcube_> acheronuk: worked after another xapian update
[18:19] <ghostcube_> thx
[18:21] <acheronuk> ghostcube_: good :) should be fixed in yakkety so you don't have to do that, but not sure how long will take to get to xenial
[18:29] <ghostcube_> but the focus stealing prob is more pita :D
[18:38] <user|79495> hi
[18:38] <user|79495> I am looking for a Kubuntu iso file for USB
[18:39] <user|79495> I checked on unetbootin
[18:39] <user|79495> they have not the lates version..help..
[18:40] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu iso will work on both disks and usb , there' no special iso for usb, user|79495
[18:41] <BluesKaj> use disk creator, it's more reliable than netbootin. if you're on windows use rufus
[18:42] <user|79495> I am a newbee, I have tried for load down on unetbootin
[18:42] <user|79495> but I do not see there 16.04 version for download..
[18:42] <user|79495> I am on a linux version
[18:44] <BluesKaj> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[18:45] <BluesKaj> user|79495,^
 I use unetbootin all the times
[18:49] <BluesKaj> usb-creator-kde
[18:50] <user|79495> do I have to download that on packetmanager
[18:53] <user|79495> thank you
[18:54] <ranu> Just download the *.iso and use dd
[18:55] <ranu> Is super easy and you don't have to bother with the fs
[18:55] <ranu> It is*
[18:57] <BluesKaj> ranu, agreed but dd is dangerous for new users
[19:40] <user|95019> Hey, I want to switch from Windows to Linux, is there any Software for Linux to encrypt the hdd (used diskcryptor)
[19:45] <Dragonslicer> user|95019- there's an option during Kubuntu's installer to encrypt your home drive
[19:46] <Dragonslicer> You can also use LUKS to create encrypted hard disk partitions
[19:47] <Dragonslicer> Sorry, meant home directory
[22:42] <caliculk> Hello, I just went to try out Kubuntu 16.04.X on my laptop and initially, I had a working Wireless Driver installed while in the demo mode (prior to installation). After installation, my wireless driver is not installed and no longer shows up when running lspci. This is running on a Lenovo Yoga Pro 13" model (the original one, not version 2 or 3). Was wondering if anyone knew where I need to start from here to just get wireless working. It
[22:42] <caliculk> looks like that is the ONLY thing not working as far as I can tell.
[22:43] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-driver command can list them
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I think the Driver Manager is a but broke
[22:43] <ahoneybun> there is a fix, can't remember it
[23:02] <caliculk> ahoneybun, alright, but ubuntu-driver ONLY lists intel-microcode when running "ubuntu-drivers list"
[23:02] <ahoneybun> mm


[02:13] <tedg> slangasek, by chance around to look at bug 1363255
[02:13] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1363255 in ubuntu "[FFe] Rotation lock indicator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363255
[06:00] <slangasek> tedg: followed up
[12:57] <zul> Can I get an ok for python-tooz and python-pymemcache (#1366000) and (#1365998)? They are sync requests from debian and needed for openstack
[13:00] <cjwatson> zul: done.  accepted python-pymemcache, please close the bug once it's in
[13:00] <zul> cjwatson: thanks
[13:01] <cjwatson> zul: and you can go ahead and sync python-tooz too - it'll just dep-wait
[13:01] <zul> cjwatson: ack
[13:31] <tedg> slangasek, sweet, thanks!
[14:12] <zul> cjwatson: can you accept python-tooz as well?
[14:13] <cjwatson> done
[14:13] <zul> thanks
[14:38] <arges> cjwatson: hey i need some help. i accidentally copied 'linux-*lts-utopic' into trusty
[14:38] <arges> linux-lts-utopic / linux-meta-lts-utopic / linux-signed-lts-utopic
[14:39] <arges> infinity: ^^^
[14:43] <cjwatson> where was it meant to go?
[14:43] <arges> cjwatson: it wasn't meant to be copied to proposed at all
[14:44] <cjwatson> well, just remove it again, remove-package -s trusty-proposed
[14:44] <cjwatson> just note that you won't be able to copy in the same version later, since it has builds
[14:44] <arges> cjwatson: so do I have to wait until it hits trusty-proposed? rmadison doesn't seem to see it (I think its technically a new package)
[14:44] <arges> cjwatson: that should be OK, since by the time Utopic releases we'll have a much newer version anyway
[14:45] <cjwatson> you shouldn't have to wait, no
[14:45] <cjwatson> rmadison doesn't see it because the publication records are still Pending
[14:45] <cjwatson> i.e. the publisher hasn't run yet
[14:45] <arges> cjwatson: ok looks like remove-package is removing it : )
[14:46] <cjwatson> not because it's new - in that case it would be in the queue
[14:46] <cjwatson> ok, cool
[14:46] <arges> cjwatson: thanks for the help. next time I'll wait until after morning coffee to run that command
[14:48] <cjwatson> heh
[18:28]  * ogra_ wonders why his android-tools takes so eternally long to migrate to the archive
[19:10] <cjwatson> ogra_: it's dep-wait
[19:10] <cjwatson>  Missing build dependencies: libxcrypt-dev
[19:10] <ogra_> cjwatson, yeah, i see that ...
[19:11] <ogra_> i wonder where the x comes from there
[19:11] <cjwatson> it was in the previous upload too
[19:11] <ogra_> yeah
[19:11] <ogra_> why did it pass then
[19:12] <cjwatson> because there is a libxcrypt-dev, it's just in universe
[19:12]  * ogra_ just notices -lcrypt definitely doesnt need an extra build dep
[19:12] <ogra_> what was i thinking there
[19:12] <cjwatson> right, it's in libc6-dev
[19:12]  * ogra_ drops and re-uploads
[19:12] <cjwatson> and there's no libcrypt-dev package anyway
[19:12] <cjwatson> so the previous one built because silos ignore the ogre model
[19:13] <ogra_> i think was was just to tired and did apt-cache search crypt and a dumb copy/paste ...
[19:13] <ogra_> ah
[19:13] <ogra_> k


[07:03] <dholbach> good morning!
[07:03] <nigelb> Morning dholbach :)
[07:03] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:10] <kim0> morning folks
[08:11] <dpm> morning kim0
[08:11] <dpm> good morning all
[08:11] <kim0> dpm: hey
[08:11] <dpm> :)
[08:11] <kim0> :)
[08:11] <kim0> dholbach: nigelb o/
[08:43] <dholbach> hey kim0, hey dpm
[08:53] <nigelb> Morning kim0, dpm, ara :)
[08:53]  * nigelb had a lovely lunch ;D
[08:54] <ara> morning all
[09:09] <dpm> hey dholbach
[09:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:17] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:26] <nisshh> *sigh*
[12:45] <kim0> morning
[15:04] <jcastro> dholbach: what do you suppose that spike is right after Dec 8 in the graph?
[15:05] <dholbach> jcastro, which one? the sponsoring queue graph?
[15:05] <jcastro> yeah
[15:05] <jcastro> there's a little bump right after the 8th
[15:06] <dholbach> yeah, I accidentally removed the data from the graph, so I had to do some estimation based on an old screenshot (don't ask) - it might be wrong, but it might be a lot of new patches coming in - let me see if I find out anything
[15:06] <jcastro> oh ok
[15:07] <jcastro> I was just wondering if a  bunch of people started submitting on that day or something
[15:07] <dholbach> according to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sponsors/2010-December/date.html#start there were a bunch of requests coming in that day
[15:13] <jcastro> ahhh, I didn't know about that list
[15:13] <jcastro> wow, that's handy
[15:17] <dholbach> that's where I get the data from
[15:17] <dholbach> (and other places)
[15:31] <JanC> jcastro: did you see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-December/032250.html ?
[15:31] <jcastro> yeah this morning
[15:55] <jono> hey all
[15:56] <JFo> boo hiss!
[15:56] <JFo> oh err... hey jon
[15:56] <JFo> err jono
[15:56] <JFo> <-typing fail
[16:00] <JFo> jono, I found a t-shirt that says "Brown Chicken Brown Cow" :)
[16:01] <jono> JFo, nice!
[16:01] <jono> dpm, will just be one sec
[16:02] <dpm> jono, can you give me 5 mins? I've got another update to the portal I'd like to show you during the call
[16:03] <jono> dpm, sure!
[16:03] <dpm> thanks
[16:10] <jcastro> jono: don't upgrade today
[16:10] <jono> jcastro, np
[16:10] <jono> thanks for the warning
[16:11] <jcastro> actually it should be "I hope you didn't upgrade late yesterday" I think
[16:11] <jcastro> dunno, I am rocking Classic Mode for now, heh
[16:12] <jono> no worries, I was jamming last night
[16:13] <jcastro> I did fire off the USB key install this morning though
[16:13] <jcastro> and it "feels" like it's working.
[16:15] <jcastro> jono: if you have time today, can you answer Phill Bull's question on ubuntu-devel? I think a bunch of it can be answered with "developer.ubuntu.com"-like stuff
[16:15] <jono> jcastro, will do
[16:16] <jcastro> jono: he was the guy we met at GUADEC at the bar, he had done a bunch of work since like 4.10 and I was all geeked up
[16:16] <jcastro> he's like a legend in my own mind
[16:16] <jono> yeah I remember him
[16:16] <jono> Daviey lookalike
[16:16] <jcastro> plus, you know how I feel about Englishmen
[16:16] <Daviey> :o
[16:16] <jono> jcastro, romantic?
[16:16] <jono> Daviey, yep, there are two people that good looking in the world....
[16:16] <Daviey> no wai
[16:17]  * Daviey is teh sexi.
[16:17]  * nisshh watches the conversation with amusement
[16:18]  * dholbach shifts his attention to other irc channels
[16:18] <nisshh> hehe
[16:22] <czajkowski> Daviey: yer not well at times :)
[16:23] <jono> jcastro, I think you need to always mention #ayatana in your reports and link to the webchat
[16:23] <jono> jcastro, can you update it?
[16:23] <jono> I just posted it to FB too
[16:24] <jcastro> jono: yep, I totally missed that, I'll update the template and the post now.
[16:24] <jono> thanks jcastro
[16:24] <jono> report looks awesome btw :-)
[16:27] <jono> jcastro, are OMG aware of it and going to post it/
[16:27] <jono> ?
[16:27] <jcastro> The guy is afk for the moment, I've left him a message
[16:29] <jono> cheers jcastro
[16:29] <jcastro> I got a third dude lined up
[16:30] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/689916 I don't even consider this a bug
[16:30] <jcastro> Daviey: ^
[16:33] <vish> jcastro: its a dup..
[16:33]  * vish finds main bug..
[16:33] <jcastro> vish: of? I can dupe it now
[16:34] <vish> jcastro: Bug #646669
[16:34] <vish> hmm, bot gone missing!
[16:34] <vish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/646669
[16:34] <jcastro> I can figure it out. :D
[16:34] <vish> yea, just for others.. ;)
[16:52] <dholbach> ok my friends, I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:48] <dpm> ok, have a nice rest of the day everyone, see you tomorrow!
[18:03] <jcastro> wow what a rookie mistake
[18:03] <jcastro> So I wanted to go get lunch, and my ice scraper is in the trunk of my car
[18:03] <jcastro> which is solidly frozen shut
[18:03] <jcastro> so I turned it on and now it's sitting there with the heat on, hopefully that'll thaw it enough
[18:03] <JanC> hehe
[18:04] <Technoviking> jcastro: will the ubuntu mono font be availible in 10.10?
[18:04] <jcastro> there's a mono font?
[18:05] <Technoviking> Technoviking: tought I saw that in the natty updates?
[18:06] <JanC> jcastro: I was locked out of my car once because of ice in the door locks, _except_ for the back door, so I had to crawl into my car that way, grab the ice scraper & anti-freeze spray from out of the front, start the engine, then crawl back out through the back door to get my windows clean...   :P
[18:06] <jcastro> Technoviking: oh, I saw the update in natty but didn't read the changelog
[18:07] <Technoviking> jcastro: nevermids misread as it scrolled by in the terminal
[18:09] <jcastro> Technoviking: if they are working on one then I guess a backport can be request, though they do put the source and ttf's and stuff on font.ubuntu.com
[18:09] <jcastro> which is what I use to get the font in windows. :)
[20:04] <jono> jcastro, so you think it would be dangerous for me to upgrade the netbook to natty?
[20:06] <jcastro> yes
[20:06] <jcastro> indeed it would
[20:06] <jcastro> mine is totally screwed, jason is looking into it
[20:07] <jcastro> mine is segfaulting but there appears to be a new upload just now
[20:13] <jono> ok cool


[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82974 in launchpad "branches use canonical.com which doesn't connect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82974
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82994 in ubuntu-website "Top-100 user list needed for Ubuntu partner program" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82994
[12:34] <Hobbsee> thanks kiko
[01:19] <kiko> welcome Hobbsee
[01:19] <Hobbsee> hey kiko :)
[03:20] <heno> how do I add a bug task for a second package?
[03:20] <heno> two packages in ubuntu with the same bug?
[03:23] <heno> I guess it's 'also affects Distribution' -- just not very intuitive since this is the same distro
[03:33] <Hobbsee> so who came up with Fooix the Wonder-Toaster?
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83052 in launchpad-bazaar "Wrong upload URL" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83052
[05:31] <chrisj> I can't checkout my bzr branch which is hosted on launchpad: bzr checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:31] <chrisj> ssh: connect to host bazaar.canonical.com port 22: Connection timed out
[05:31] <chrisj> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.canonical.com; EOF during negotiation
[05:32] <chrisj> anyone know why this is happening?
[05:40] <glatzor> chrisj: you have to use http for downloading
[05:40] <phanatic> chrisj: there's a bug in launchpad
[05:40] <phanatic> use bazaar.launchpad.net as hostname
[05:41] <ddaa> yeah... sorry, will make a fix this week-end, hopefully it will be put only early next week
[05:49] <manchicken> Howdy.  Are you all aware of launchpad's rendering problems in konqueror 3.5.5?
[06:41] <mikl> is it possible to delete a "Series" from a Product you own?
[06:41] <mikl> and if so, how...?
[06:41] <mikl> I would like to get rid of https://launchpad.net/parade/ooops.
[06:48] <mikl> mdke_: what does you mask signify? Where does one sign up for Ubuntu membership
[06:48] <mikl> ;)
[06:52] <mdke_> mikl: you can read about it on the Ubuntu website
[06:53] <mdke_> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[07:03] <crimsun> manchicken: only in 3.5.5? It appears to be "ok" in 3.5.6 (feisty)
[07:11] <kiko> mikl, you should file a ticket on launchpad
[07:11] <kiko> I can sort out the rest
[07:12] <mikl> kiko: where do I file it?
[07:12] <kiko> launchpad/+addticket
[07:13] <mikl> ah, yes. Launchpad meta-project :)
[07:14] <kiko> mikl, meta-product, rather. :)
[07:15] <mikl> bleh, i keep mixing those up :)
[07:16] <kiko> who doesn't? :)
[07:18] <mikl> well, the launchpad terminology is kinda complex
[07:18] <mikl> not needlessly, of course, but still :)
[07:19] <mikl> kiko: anyhows, thank you for helping :)
[07:19] <kiko> it's complex, but it's sometimes better to be weird and unambiguous. :)
[07:20] <mikl> well, given the scale of the project, it's nothing short of impossible to have a simple terminology ;)
[07:50] <manchicken> crimsun: Go to someone's profile and hit F5 a few times.
[07:50] <manchicken> crimsun: I can reproduce that it looks fudged consistently in that use case.
[07:53] <crimsun> manchicken: I'll try that this afternoon after this meeting.
[07:53] <manchicken> Righto.  Thanks.


[05:19] <guiverc> https://notes.lubuntu.me/IthB4rG4Qja14-ztgkYtTQ#   (Kinetic.Kudu/22.10 artwork contest)..  close date set 25-August (except strange US format) ... almost identical to hirsute/21.04's
[05:21] <guiverc> see (other room) for a thought/reservation on ^
 FYI new Calamares has been merged from Debian and has migrated to release. It should be on the next iso. I did an update on the last image and it passed a sanity check.
 Looking forward...thanks for info. (re @kc2bez: FYI new Calamares has been merged from Debian and has migrated to release. It should be on the next iso. I did an update on the last image and it passed a sanity check.)
 New Calamares in latest daily Kinetic Lubuntu looks good after prelim tests
 Nice.
 Bug 1904266 (cursor jumping) no longer present.. (re @kc2bez: Nice.)
 Perfect! (re @Leokolb: Bug 1904266 (cursor jumping) no longer present..)
 Thanks @Leokolb


[05:11] <bigjools> does anyone have any idea how to make bzr builddeb export my local branch instead of using apt-source to get upstream tarball?
[05:11] <bigjools> I'm using --export-upstream and it completely ignores it
[05:22] <bigjools> looks like a bug, builddeb/cmds.py appends the upstream branch source after the apt source type so it never gets used ahead of that
[15:14] <ziksum> Hey! I would like to use bzr-svn on Windows with a serverless subversion repository (which I access using the file:// protocol). Is bzr-svn able to handle this case? I couldn't make it work and instead get "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: ..." Can anybody help me? Thanks!
[15:14] <jelmer> ziksum: yes, it should be able to handle that case
[15:15] <ziksum> jelmer: How exactly do I specify the path for a checkout? As in "bzr co file:///p:/dir/to/svn-repo/project/trunk" ?
[15:26] <jelmer> ziksum: I'm not sure how you would on Windows actually
[15:26] <jelmer> ziksum: but yes, with /project/trunk (assuming that path exists in svn)
[15:28] <ziksum> jelmer: I found the problem... I am using a wrong version of bzr, which does not have bzr-svn installed... I'll check again when I fixed this. Thanks for now and the confirmation that it SHOULD work!
[15:29] <jelmer> ziksum: bzr-svn has issues with newer versions of svn (anything newer than 1.7)
[15:29] <ziksum> oh... I just updated TortoiseSVN, which we use to manage the SVN repositories...
[15:30] <jelmer> that might be related (if they use a shared svn instance)
[15:31] <ziksum> Thanks for now!


[01:27] <whzhang> The blueprint is scheduled on Thursday 18:05 - 19:00 UTC
[02:27] <ypwong> whzhang, oh... so late
[08:07] <smartboyhw> ypwong: I will join in the images UDS session in IRC.
[08:10] <smartboyhw> JackYu: ^
[08:18] <JackYu> smartboyhw: that's great, welcome!
[08:20] <JackYu> smartboyhw: do you have any issues what to be discussed? you can change the Whiteboard.
[08:33] <smartboyhw> JackYu: Blueprint link?
[08:47] <JackYu> smartboyhw: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+spec/client-1305-ubuntukylin-images
[08:47] <JackYu> smartboyhw: you can modify the Whiteboard section.
[13:56] <ypwong> for anyone who will join the coming session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3f399901093affca6063d4113420c6417b76ccef?authuser=0&hl=en
[13:56] <ypwong> whzhang, see above
[13:56] <ypwong> maclin, jzheng, freeflyi1g, see above
[13:59] <maclin> ok,I see it, but the network is so good
[14:00] <ypwong> maclin, 你可以把 bandwidth 调低
[14:00] <ypwong> 右上角有个图标可以设
[14:01] <maclin> 页面还没刷出来
[14:01] <ypwong> whzhang, 你怎样呢？
[14:02] <maclin> 正在安装plugin
[14:05] <ypwong> quick quick quick
[14:06] <ypwong> JackYu, 能听到我们说话吗？
[14:06] <ypwong> JackYu, 听不到你说
[14:08] <ypwong> JackYu, 开始la
[14:09] <smartboyhw_> ypwong: That's Chinglish:ap
[14:09] <smartboyhw_> ):P
[14:10] <ypwong> smartboyhw_, come on!
[14:10] <smartboyhw_> ypwong: ROFL
[14:10] <ypwong> smartboyhw_, ....
[15:00] <ypwong> whzhang, hi
[15:01] <ypwong> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5f1e5c7b24eba678d5a08588e0ccb04a1429f567?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:02] <ypwong> maclin,  JackYu freeflyi1g  jzheng,  whzhang smartboyhw_ &&
[15:02] <ypwong> ^^
[15:02] <ypwong> link for google hangout is above
[15:02] <smartboyhw_> ypwong: Not joining. just IRC
[15:02] <ypwong> ok
[15:02] <smartboyhw_> And no watching:(
[15:02] <ypwong> session will start in 4 minutes
[15:02] <ypwong> why not watching?
[15:02] <ypwong> irc is no fu
[15:02] <ypwong> fun
[15:03] <jzheng> ypwong, I am in other session
[15:03] <ypwong> jzheng, gotcha
[15:03]  * jzheng will only watch this session
[15:03] <smartboyhw_> ypwong: Mobile
[15:04] <smartboyhw_> YouTube app an idiot
[15:04] <jzheng> btw, I saw csslayer still around and maybe you can ask him to join too?
[15:10] <maclin> jzheng: I have send message to him.


[21:19] <I-Punkt> I need held with edubuntu 14.04. Is there a howto about edit clientmenu? in 12.04 was the profilemanager, but now?


[04:44] <blahdeblah> lpotter: So I hear you're going to be making work for me...
[07:33] <lpotter> :)
[09:00] <lpotter> I'm back beginning of next month


[08:21] <doko> wasabi, wasabi_: ping?
[08:28] <wasabi_> pong
[08:31] <doko> ahh, already solved, converting javacc to java-gcj-compat ...
[08:31] <wasabi_> ahh.


[14:07] <snap-l> Decided to pop for the 30Mdps v / 3Mbps ^ package from WOW!
[14:07] <snap-l> Should be here Wednesday
[20:15] <snap-l> God, I hate going into Microcenter
[20:15] <snap-l> was looking at HDDs, but they were behind glass
[20:15] <snap-l> and of course couldn't flag someone down in O(N) time.
[21:10] <jjesse-home> i've only been into a mcirocenter once and it was a bad expereince
[21:10] <jjesse-home> would never go back
[21:15] <rick_h_> snap-l: woot, higher speeds ftw
[22:10] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, hoping it'll give me some better upload speeds at least
[22:10] <snap-l> D/L speeds are already OK
[22:12] <snap-l> Funy enough, went back to Microcenter, and had no problem this time around
[22:25] <rick_h_> ccccccbgjgvcnllcnijcunjnflhbkuvfdhvikjrteugt
[22:28] <snap-l> Yubikey?
[22:30] <Blazeix> it's rot13 for ppppppotwtipayypavwphawasyuoxhisquivxwegrhtg
[22:30] <Blazeix> hope that helps
[22:30] <snap-l> totally
[22:31] <snap-l> I think he's setting up a ppp twit paywall
[23:12] <rick_h_droid> Testing my keylogger
[23:12] <rick_h_droid> heh
[23:35] <tony_smlr> SMLR is live Video: http://www.youtube.com/user/tbemus?v=uxRRwZl4zuI ,  Audio:  live.smlr.us:8000/streaming


[02:27] <Trappo> AYUDA instale ubuntu studio 19.04 y no aparece la barra de menu en la parte isquierdo solo tengo el panel en la parte superior
[02:30] <OvenWerks> I am not sure what that means
[02:36] <el> OvenWerks: google translate says: HELP install ubuntu studio 19.04 and the menu bar does not appear on the left side I only have the panel at the top
[02:37] <OvenWerks> That is normal, xfce is not gnome session with ubuntu aditions
[02:54] <Eickmeyer> !es
[02:55] <Eickmeyer> I've told that same username several times that this is an English-only channel.
[03:02] <OvenWerks> maybe hopes someone who understands will just happen to be here (shrugs)
[17:17] <jdm7dv> I need directions on how to build and Ubuntu ISO server or Ubuntu Studio build.
[17:23] <jdm7dv> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD Thank you I'll start in Debian. Helped myself
[17:39] <jdm7dv> https://github.com/sthysel/ubuntu-mirror Try this