[05:02] <ww58e2> What command or file is the keyboard panel switcher using to display the active layout in use?
[05:03] <lyn||> ww58e2: do you mean profile of lxpanel like the --profile option or the config file?
[05:04] <ww58e2> the lxpanel applet for swithing keyboard layouts
[05:05] <ww58e2> im curious how it knows what language is in use, if using xorg default config files
[05:06] <wxl> ww58e2: maybe it would help to explain what you're trying to accomplish
[05:07] <ww58e2> i would like to have a simple notification when i change keyboard layouts but i failed to find an xorg command to output the layout currently in use
[05:07] <wxl> oh yeah i believe it's all using the normal xkb stuff
[05:07] <ww58e2> so i was wondering how you guys do it
[05:09] <ww58e2> i found some scripts on github mentioning XkbGetState, i think i need to querry xkb group but have no idea how
[05:09] <wxl> setxkbmap -print -verbose 10 | grep layout
[05:10] <ww58e2> but this shows the config, for me   layout:     us,bg
[05:11] <wxl> but you're only using one layout at a time. hm
[05:14] <wxl> ww58e2: is only one specified with setxkbmap -print | grep xkb_symbols?
[05:16] <ww58e2> https://dpaste.de/FMsF
[05:17] <wxl> try xkblayout-state
[05:19] <wxl> here's the code btw http://git.lxde.org/gitweb/?p=lxde/lxpanel-plugins.git;a=tree;f=xkb/src;h=93856174c4d464981719015caeeb2de79518cb87;hb=HEAD
[05:19] <ww58e2> https://github.com/alenichev/xkblayout  this gem?
[05:20] <wxl> !info xkblayout-state
[05:20] <wxl> aww fooey
[05:20] <ww58e2> thx, chenking
[05:20] <wxl> maybe it doesn't exist anymore
[05:24] <wxl> ww58e2: it uses this https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/LibXklavier/
[05:25] <wxl> in short, it queries xkb
[05:27] <ww58e2> about this xkblayout git, do you have idea how it works
[05:28] <wxl> i know nothing about that
[05:28] <wxl> but i can tell you:
[05:28] <wxl> 1. it's not a gem
[05:28] <wxl> 2. it's c
[05:28] <wxl> 3. you'll need to compile it to use it
[05:30] <wxl> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12072/how-do-i-get-current-keyboard-layout offers lots of options
[05:32] <ww58e2> how to use libxklavier, is there a querry command
[05:35] <ww58e2> ah that link might be enough, with xset, thank you very much
[06:40] <ww58e2> wxl: https://gist.github.com/e4e8a6ef911464c848a2 thanks alot man
[09:26] <damascene> how to setup the keyboard language on login screen?
[14:04] <damascene> how to setup the keyboard language on login screen?


[10:16] <darkxst> ricotz, hey
[10:17] <darkxst> can you add something to my membership application ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimLunn/DeveloperApplication
[10:18] <darkxst> (hoping to apply at the next meeting, provided I can get jbicha to add an endorsement in time for that)
[11:08] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i see
[11:09] <ricotz> although i can't really judge about your packaging skills since this is what being a MOTU is about, upstream-wise e.g. gjs you are doing a great job
[20:15] <darkxst> ricotz, yes I realise you can't do a proper endorsement, but figured you could add something in the  comment section ;)
[22:08] <atrus> gnome-shell dies whenever i try to lock the screen, any thoughts? gdm 3.6.1-0ubuntu1, gnome-shell 3.6.2-0ubuntu0.2, gnome-settings-daemon 3.6.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10.1
[22:08] <atrus> looks like a segv


[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127637 in Ubuntu "[needs packaging]  rotoscope" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127637
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #127641 in file-roller (main) "extract a package on an NTFS partition doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127641
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #127643 in firefox (main) "Some flash banner ads are shown with white area where their rollover will occupy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127643
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127644 in evolution (main) "Evolution: Applying a "Label" to an Email by right clicking on the message and selecting label doesnt apply the label" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127644
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #127648 in gnome-panel (main) "Applications should not be in other menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127648
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #127649 in network-manager-applet (main) "nm-applet doesn't work unless I start dhclient manually" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127649
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #127651 in Ubuntu "system settings crashed signal 11" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127651
[04:06] <rbs-tito> Someone filed a bug that the laptop hotkey for activating/deactivating wireless does not work. I don't think that is a bug, because there is no Linux software to handle it. Am I correct?
[04:07] <rbs-tito> Or, at least no LInux drivers
[04:07] <crimsun> your description is a bit vague.
[04:08] <rbs-tito> bug 54796
[04:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54796 in ubuntu-meta "cannot activate wireless function" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54796
[04:09] <crimsun> that _may_ be a linux-source-2.6.2[02]  bug.
[04:09] <crimsun> it depends on the hardware in that emachines.
[04:10] <crimsun> (It could also be hal.)
[04:11] <rbs-tito> Only supported through NDISwrapper
[04:12] <rbs-tito> But even when the wireless is working, the activation keys have never worked for me
[04:13] <crimsun> do you mean that the hotkeys _are_ functional w/ ndiswrapper?
[04:13] <crimsun> if so, that's pretty clearly a linux-source bug.
[04:16] <rbs-tito> No, the hotkeys are never functional regardless of the driver
[04:16] <rbs-tito> The hotkeys actually power down the chip
[04:17] <rbs-tito> Which is usually done by pressing the key which instructs the motherboard to power down a certain socket, so it is really more to do with the BIOS. It is done in Windows by device manufacturers using black magic drivers.
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #127654 in openoffice.org (main) "Labels use the wrong dimensions and/or page size" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127654
[05:30] <LadyNikon> crimsun: :)
[05:31] <LadyNikon> wow a logged channel.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> LadyNikon: most of the ubuntu ones are logged...
[05:32] <LadyNikon> i am only in the help channel and the maryland one
[05:32] <LadyNikon> so I never noticed
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127655 in gnome-network (universe) "[Gutsy]  Manual WPA network doesn't connect on reboot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127655
[05:39] <crimsun> LadyNikon: (you may also find #ubuntu-women interesting)
[05:39] <LadyNikon> im on their mailing list
[05:39] <LadyNikon> thanks :)
[05:39] <crimsun> ok
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #127659 in sl-modem (restricted) "Smartlink driver not properly loaded on boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127659
[06:39] <mpt> Hi, has anyone organized a plan to convert the BSTQC test results into bug reports?
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #122146 in thunar "Thunar freezes upon opening folders" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122146
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #127660 in Ubuntu "NetworkManager and iwp3945 Driver WPA/Hidden Network" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127660
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #127664 in gnome-control-center (main) "Font size settings only take effect a few seconds after login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127664
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127665 in gnome-control-center (main) "Font rendering settings are not applied until next login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127665
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #127667 in compiz (main) "Desktop freezes when compiz terminates (on logout or otherwise)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127667
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #127668 in firefox-granparadiso (universe) "does not clean up incomplete downloads" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127668
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #127669 in scribus-ng (universe) "scribus-ng crashed with SIGSEGV in ScribusMainWindow::emergencySave()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127669
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127672 in cal3d (universe) "[Sync Request]  Please sync cal3d (0.11.0-2) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127672
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121801 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Suspend using vesa driver and NVIDIA 8400M GS doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121801
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #127676 in Ubuntu "problem with javascript and ubuntu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127676
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #127677 in compiz (main) "oversized fonts in compiz in gutsy on intel 945" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127677
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #127678 in ubiquity (main) "ubiquity crashes when configuring boot loader" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127678
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #127679 in Ubuntu "[Fiesty]  Thunderbird crashes when sending email (x86_64)." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127679
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127680 in Ubuntu "Adept crash after new updates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127680
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127681 in Ubuntu "Full GPT and EFI support for Intel Macs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127681
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #127682 in ebox-network (universe) "installation of ebox-network fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127682
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #127683 in alsa-driver (main) "snd_hda_intel can't be inserted on macbook pro c2d in gutsy , worked in feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127683
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #124831 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124831
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127685 in zblast (universe) "package zblast-x11 1.3-2.2 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127685
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127686 in gnome-panel (main) "workspace switcher loses workspace names after reboot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127686
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #124979 in gnome-panel "Clicking on date/time applet crashes gnome-pannel" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124979
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #125401 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125401
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #127690 in gnome-games (main) "sol crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127690
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127692 in acpi (main) "IBM X60 turns off screen when pressing "Fn+Home" and "Fn+End"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127692
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #127693 in dolphin (main) "dolphin konqueror like servicemenu support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127693
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #127695 in hal-info (main) "scsi model disk no detectado" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127695
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #127697 in mplayer (multiverse) "Gmplayer takes time to open video files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127697
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #127699 in xen-3.1 (main) "Various problems in 3.1.0-0ubuntu10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127699
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #127702 in compiz (main) "sometimes cannot close or minimize windows" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127702
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #127704 in kvm (universe) "kvm: access to /dev/kvm should have a different group-ownership" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127704
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #127705 in compiz (main) "compiz doesn't "talk" when switching windows" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127705
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #127707 in airport-utils (universe) "airport-utils: airport-config does not run with Java 6." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127707
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #127711 in network-manager (main) "network-manager does not really deactivate ipw2200" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127711
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127709 in gettext (main) "MO files not optimised enough for en_GB, en_CA, etc, partially for others" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127709
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #127717 in warsow-data (multiverse) "Architecture incorrect?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127717
[02:44] <Gasten> Hi. Can a kind soul change bug 127444s importance to Low, please?
[02:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127444 in totem "Drag'n'drop multiple files into playlist, (or open multiple files) add it not in the good/alphabetical order..." [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127444
[02:48] <pascal80> Gasten: done
[02:48] <Gasten> pascal80: thanks!
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #127718 in lighttpd (universe) "lighttpd security fixes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127718
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #127719 in Ubuntu "Monitor Goes Standby By It Self" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127719
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #127720 in kde-guidance (main) "Feisty KDE 3.5.7 to Gutsy upgrade file conflict error" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127720
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #127721 in haddock (universe) "gutsy's haddock can't parse index files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127721
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #127722 in kde-systemsettings (main) "kde-applications-merged': Directory not empty when upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127722
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #127724 in apt-listchanges (main) "apt-listchanges crash during dist-upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127724
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #127725 in gnome-applets (main) "weather report provide predefined radar maps" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127725
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #127728 in Ubuntu "Random black screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127728
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127729 in Ubuntu "xserver crushing several times a day" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127729
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127730 in Ubuntu "xcircuit" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127730
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #127731 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "[gutsy]  Configuring VPN connections failing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127731
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #127732 in evince (main) "Searching Hebrew text works in reverse order" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127732
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #124559 in gnome-utils (main) "gnome-screenshot crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124559
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #125718 in gnome-utils (main) "baobab crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125718
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #127735 in subversion (main) "RA call for retrieving revprops for more than one revision" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127735
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #127609 in gnome-mount (main) "gnome-mount crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127609
[04:27] <Hobbsee> !info apparmour-utils
[04:27] <ubotu> Package apparmour-utils does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:27] <Hobbsee> !info apparmour-utils gutsy
[04:28] <ubotu> Package apparmour-utils does not exist in gutsy
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #127565 in gnome-session (main) "gnome-session crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127565
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127737 in muine (universe) "Muine doesn't start in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127737
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #127738 in cupsys (main) "printers stop processing jobs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127738
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127739 in nvtv (universe) "menu entry for nvtv has no icon" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127739
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127740 in Ubuntu "lots of applications crash with "SIGSEGV in g_datalist_clear()"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127740
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #127742 in enigmail-locales (universe) "[GUTSY]  Enigmail locales aren't compatible with Thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127742
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #127745 in ebox-network (universe) "ebox-network fails to configure" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127745
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #127747 in Ubuntu "[gutsy]  removable storage devices auto play multimedia without asking" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127747
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127748 in debian-installer (main) "typo /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy instead of gusty on alternate CD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127748
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #127749 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Wrong UDP Packets Checksum" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127749
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #127750 in pureadmin (universe) "Create Password File not possible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127750
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127751 in hal (main) "[gutsy]  LG USB key wrongly detected as a digital audio device (regression)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127751
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127758 in iproute (main) "ip rule doesn't resolves local(255) routing table number to name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127758
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #127762 in update-manager (main) "update tor fails if tor daemon is not running" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127762
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127763 in Ubuntu "sound on desktop not working at ALL " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127763
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #127764 in Ubuntu "ubuntu-destop is not dependent of e2fsprogs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127764
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #127765 in gnubiff (universe) "Merge gnubiff 2.2.7 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127765
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #127766 in gmsh (universe) "Merge gmsh (2.0.8-1) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127766
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #127769 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "nvidia-glx working on 6.06, but don't on 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127769
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127767 in imlib (universe) "Merge imlib 1.9.15 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127767
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #127772 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "CPU fan no longer runs after upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127772
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #127773 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Battery no longer recognized as present after upgrade to Gutsy in Dell Latitdue L400" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127773
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #127774 in Ubuntu "ati radeon 200M don't work with compiz/beryl" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127774
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #127775 in firefox (main) "firefox crash after update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127775
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #127777 in desktop-effects (main) "[gutsy]  two desktop effects dialogs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127777
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #127778 in gpgme (universe) "KDE4 needs GPGME 0.4.5 to compile" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127778
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #127781 in k3d (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync k3d (<IP_ADDRESS>-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127781
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127784 in horde3 (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync horde3 (3.1.4-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127784
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127785 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed while performing two searches" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127785
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #127789 in liferea (main) "Cannot add feeds via Right Click -> New -> Subscription" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127789
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #127790 in Ubuntu "ubuntu takes 30 seconds to boot on macbook (single install)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127790
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #127792 in liferea (main) "Update locks "is already being updated"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127792
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #127791 in Ubuntu "failed to initialize HAL with feisty-backports update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127791
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #127794 in swfdec0.4 (universe) "new upstream version available 0.5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127794
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #127795 in swfdec-mozilla (universe) "new upstream version available 0.5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127795
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #127797 in gimmie (universe) "incorrect dependencies for gimmie" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127797
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #127798 in file-roller (main) "file roller can't recognize second of duplicate files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127798
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127799 in Ubuntu "after pressing lock screen botton this message is displaying " ** Message: Screensaver is not running!" in ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127799
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127801 in apport (main) "apport "report a problem.." opens browser in new window vs tab" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127801
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #127800 in elisa (universe) "elisa fails to start" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127800
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #127802 in vbetool (main) "vbetool crashed with signal 5 in LRMI_int()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127802
[09:45] <seb128> jwendell: around?
[09:50] <jwendell> seb128, yep
[09:50] <seb128> jwendell: are modifier supposed to work over vnc?
[09:50] <seb128> like ralt-key?
[09:51] <jwendell> seb128, i don't know exactly how it works, but there is a [insane]  patch on upstream waiting for review for a long time
[09:51] <seb128> k
[09:51] <seb128> because it doesn't work correctly at the moment
[09:52] <seb128> I'm backporting the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/vino/+bug/112955 patch
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112955 in vino "vino (vnc) keyboard mapping problem" [Low,Fix released]
[09:52] <seb128> it works fine for keys like <
[09:52] <jwendell> yep
[09:52] <seb128> but it doesn't work to do a | which is ralt-6 on an azerty keyboard
[09:52] <seb128> using ralt seems to break the command line
[09:53] <seb128> normal letter don't work normally after using it
[09:53] <jwendell> seb128, i guess it could be solved by appling the patches on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353304
[09:53] <ubotu> Gnome bug 353304 in Server "using Alt-Gr from a Windows VNC client to vino" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[09:54] <jwendell> but it's a bit deep to me :(
[09:54] <seb128> what about commiting now so it gets testing?
[09:54] <seb128> Dan works for redhat I think
[09:55] <seb128> and it's likely he knows what he's doing
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #127803 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crash - caused by "thumbnail pixbuf loader: Unrecognised image file format"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127803
[09:55] <jwendell> seb128, ok, i'll tell him to commit. We're on beta versions, anyway
[09:55] <jwendell> hehe
[09:58] <jwendell> seb128, done, let's wait him to commit ;)
[09:58] <seb128> cool
[09:58] <seb128> thank you
[09:59] <jwendell> seb128, once vino was merged from debian, it's compiled with some flags for the first time in ubuntu
[10:00] <seb128> like?
[10:00] <jwendell> like enable-keyring and enable-session
[10:00] <jwendell> is that proposital?
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #127805 in network-manager (main) "driver loads for MSI 6877 wireless but can't connect" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127805
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #127806 in network-manager (main) "network-manager doesn't show all information" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127806
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #127808 in Ubuntu "bluetooth connection impossible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127808
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #127809 in eog (main) "EXIF info not updated on UI when going to non-EXIF image" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127809
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #127810 in Ubuntu "Can't get passed Login screen after gfeisty fawn upgrade using apt-get method.  I'm virtually locked out of my system and can't get thru ." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127810
[10:21] <jwendell> seb128, ?
[10:21] <seb128> jwendell: keyring was already enabled, it's auto and we had the Build-Depends, no?
[10:22] <jwendell> yep, i think it was disabled in ubuntu a few versions ago
[10:22] <jwendell> i dont remember why
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #127811 in Ubuntu "Eclipse Crashes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127811
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #127813 in gdal (universe) "gdal-config give wrong paths" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127813
[10:39] <jwendell> seb128, see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344839#c19
[10:39] <ubotu> Gnome bug 344839 in Server "Vino should use gnome-keyring to save/get password" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]
[10:40] <seb128> jwendell: hum, k
[10:40] <seb128> I see no objection to change it
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #127815 in evolution (main) "Threads are not moved to top after new e-mails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127815
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #127818 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't recognize audacity .aup files by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127818
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #127820 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "ACPI doesn't work for ASUS L4500R" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127820
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #127825 in Ubuntu "where is the menu at the top of the page  ??? Left side." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127825
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127826 in nautilus (main) "nautilus error opening directory" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127826
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #127827 in Ubuntu "(gutsy desktop i386 tribe-3) normal icons very big font size" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127827
[11:53] <Admiral_laptop> win 1
[11:53] <Admiral_laptop> sorry about that
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #127829 in grandr (universe) "grandr crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_tree_model_get_valist()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127829


[02:06] <CyborgCygnus> So only just discovered the ubuntu tv section on the main website, forgive me if I'm annoying anyone but I seem to find it hard to find more thorough info on ubuntu os's for all devices. Ubuntu TV will that be installable on tv's like smart tv's?


[07:15] <lobster> mokkan: hold on
[07:15] <genii> Sounds like some apm/acpi issue then
[07:16] <lobster> mokkan: are you using 64bit edgy? that was this guys system too.
[07:16] <mokkan> im usin fiesty
[07:16] <lobster> thats what I meant.  but 64bit, no?
[07:16] <mokkan> yep
[07:16] <mokkan> 64bit
[07:16] <lobster> mokkan: ok, hold on for alsa info:
[07:19] <intelikey> innernaut FFR you should concider using a more secure session to irc in    even if you feel you need to login as root  into kde you can open a konsole and do   su - innernaut    then run your irc client from there so that it's not as easy to exploit you.   and some channels just flatly refuse to let you join as root...
[07:20] <lobster> mokkan: ok here it is, simpl ewalkthrough: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[07:20] <intelikey> standard security practices are good, even if you don't "need" them.
[07:21] <innernaut> brb
[07:21] <lobster> mokkan: not exactly emerge, but it'll do.  make sure you use the rc4 driver set
[07:22] <lobster> anyone good with udev?
[07:22] <intelikey> in fact some networks disallow root connections
[07:22] <intelikey> lobster no, i hate it.    but what's the issue ?
[07:23] <lobster> raylu thanks, that /ns worked.  4 weeks since last login by registered lobster
[07:23] <innernaut> intelikey:  Well... I attempted that and discovered something that might be insightful regarding the other dilemma...
[07:23] <innernaut> innernaut@gratserv:/etc/X11$ konversation
[07:23] <innernaut> kdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '/root/.ICEauthority'.
[07:23] <innernaut> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.
[07:24] <genii> hitmanWilly I'll likely be on some installment plan LOL
[07:24] <intelikey> innernaut irssi could be used
[07:24] <lobster> intelikey "z60_bitpim.rules" in my udev/rules.d folder.  any idea what it is or what it's for?
[07:25] <lobster> mokkan: still here?
[07:25] <mokkan> mhm, tryin that guide out
[07:25] <lobster> mokkan: just checkin
[07:25] <mokkan> :)
[07:26] <intelikey> lobster it's a startup config script for the udev system   can you /dcc me a copy and ill see if i can tell you what it does
[07:26] <genii> lobster "BitPim is a program that allows you to view and manipulate data on many CDMA phones from LG, Samsung, Sanyo and other manufacturers."
[07:26] <genii> ^ from their website
[07:27] <lobster> intellikey no sense catting a 0 byte file
[07:27] <intelikey> oh broken link
[07:27] <flowingfire> Hi there.  Azureus just opens and crashes immediately.  Any ideas? (I re-installed it, same issue again)
[07:27] <intelikey> dangling symlink lobster ?
[07:27] <lobster> genii any idea why bitpim needs a udev rule?
[07:28] <lobster> intellikey: I think you are right.  it's getting tossed.
[07:28] <intelikey> lobster to know how to creat the device node
[07:28] <genii> lobster Well, if you wanted for instance to access files on your cellphone by the computer it could come in handy
[07:29] <intelikey> lobster that's what all udev rules are about,  telling  udev how/when to create the device nodes
[07:30] <lobster> intellikey: Oh really? I will have to look more into that.
[07:30] <mokkan> lobster do you think there'll be an official fix soon?
[07:31] <lobster> mokkan: not specifically for that issue, maybe incidentally, or if the rc4 driver gets approved for production
[07:31] <lobster> mokkan: did you complete the insatll?
[07:32] <lobster> install^
[07:33] <genii> back in 5, need to make a coffeerun
[07:36] <intelikey> sit cup !    stay !     good cup...
[07:37] <lobster> brbr
[07:40] <lobster> i wonder if shuttleworth knows i come in here and anonymously troubleshoot his package for his users benefit
[07:40] <lobster> intellikey: did you fix the root/X problem?
[07:42] <mokkan> lobster, if i install that alsa, it wont circumvent the package manager stuff?
[07:42] <mokkan>  /interfere
[07:42] <intelikey> lobster i haven't had one.   are you asking about innernaut's xorg issue ?
[07:42] <lobster> it will, but with any luck when the new module is rooled out with the next kernel, it will just update to current
[07:43] <lobster> intelikey: yeah
[07:43] <lobster> s/rooled/rolled
[07:43] <intelikey> lobster last account,  no.
[07:43] <innernaut> its still busted :(
[07:44] <lobster> mokkan: when the package manager has a newer package it should update with no issues, since it's a module
[07:44] <innernaut> i'll probably just reinstall
[07:44] <lobster> reinstall is easy, but not as fun, no?
[07:44] <intelikey> lobster i don't know what would cause a permission denied error for startx on all users (even newly created ones) but they can all run X without trubble.   it has to be something he did to his configs
[07:45] <lobster> innernaut: it's a new install?
[07:45] <innernaut> yes
[07:45] <lobster> did you change your sudo settings to create a root account?
[07:46] <innernaut> no
[07:46] <lobster> good
[07:46] <lobster> does it attempt to load X on boot?
[07:46] <innernaut> yes...
[07:47] <intelikey> innernaut don't do that yet.    try starting X as a user then connecting kde to it    export DISPLAY=':0' ;X & startkde    see what that does for error messages ?
[07:47] <lobster> you did a proper format of the hard drive before install?  did ytou have another linux flavor on this HD before this?
[07:48] <innernaut> it says Kde is already running on this display
[07:48] <innernaut> and yes... clean format
[07:49] <intelikey> innernaut you
[07:49] <lobster> kde already?
[07:49] <innernaut> for root
[07:49] <intelikey> innernaut you'll have to kill x to try that.
[07:49] <innernaut> k
[07:49] <lobster> ah.
[07:49] <Assassin`> what kind of images can i use for the skydome in compiz???
[07:49] <Assassin`> i can't change it
[07:49] <Assassin`> well can't find the picture i have saved to my desktop
[07:50] <Assassin`> through the gnome compiz preferences
[07:50] <lobster> assassin try #compiz or #ubuntu, this is kde...
[07:50] <Assassin`> im in kde
[07:50] <Assassin`> :)
[07:50] <Jucato> #ubuntu-effects for Compiz/Beryl
[07:51] <innernaut> what was the command again?
[07:51] <intelikey> !compiz
[07:51] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:51] <intelikey> innernaut export DISPLAY=':0' ;X & startkde
[07:52] <flowingfire> @rainbow I AM UBOTU THE GREAT!
[07:52] <ubotu> I AM UBOTU THE GREAT!
[07:52] <genii> intelikey Geez, still working on that X issue? LOL
[07:52] <intelikey> genii i don't know what is happening there.
[07:53] <intelikey> genii did you get it to run ?
[07:53] <oldwest> hi - anyone know how i can view a .wmv file - totem tries but say's needs more codecs.
[07:53] <flowingfire> @pity On you all for the horrible issues u face with Kubuntu crashes. :
[07:54] <genii> intelikey only when I start having too much of it :)
[07:54] <lobster> innernaut what did you install after installin ubuntu?
[07:54] <Jucato> oldwest: are you on Kubuntu or Ubuntu? Kubuntu doesn't use Totem
[07:55] <intelikey> flowingfire my pinguin has only crashed when i broke it,  and i do that sometimes.
[07:55] <innernaut> okay..
[07:55] <lobster> innernaut what did you install after installin ubuntu?
[07:55] <flowingfire> intelikey: Hmm.  Kubuntu crashes for me all the time lol.
[07:55] <intelikey> genii you said you were going to make a coffee run and i invisioned legs on a cup...   never mind....
[07:55] <flowingfire> but it's probably somewhat my fault lol
[07:56] <oldwest> kubuntu - i have it instsalled for gnome - and it comes up in kde
[07:56] <intelikey> flowingfire you probably run "latest" everything....
[07:56] <flowingfire> Yeah pretty much...
[07:56] <Jucato> oldwest: ah. Totem requires different codecs than those needed by Kaffeine
[07:56] <lobster> oldwest: log out select menu, change desktop
[07:56] <Jucato> oldwest: oh sorry, WMV right?
[07:57] <Jucato> !w32codecs | oldwest
[07:57] <innernaut> it said   the following installation problem was detected when trying to start KDE:  writing to /tmp failed with error: Permission Denied ....  Also it loaded into X after a minute and gave the error couldn't initiate ksmserver...
[07:57] <ubotu> oldwest: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:57] <intelikey> innernaut i can see it didn't work.  but what errors did it blurd out ?
[07:57] <EightyFiveOnline> i cannoy connect to my wireless connection
[07:57] <flowingfire> I kinda can't get away with not using the latest of some stuff though... Like the new sucky proprietary nvidia driver ... the other one just doesn't work right on my compy
[07:57] <intelikey> innernaut ok  ls -ld /tmp
[07:58] <lobster> intelikey did you see the deny access for /tmp?
[07:58] <oldwest> i don't have gnome d/top installed yet - would it be best to uninstall totem and let kaffeine become default?
[07:58] <genii> intelikey Sory for lag, got a phone call just then :)
[07:58] <lobster> intelikey: nevermind, I see you did
[07:58] <innernaut> drwxr-xr-x 66 root root 4096 May 18 01:54 /tmp
[07:58] <oldwest> yes it is a .wmv file
[07:59] <lobster> genii: maybe you can figure out how to make it run to me?
[07:59] <intelikey> lobster i'm lagging pretty badly
[07:59] <intelikey> innernaut there it is.
[07:59] <intelikey> drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 May 17 15:39 /tmp  <<<< that's normal tmp
[07:59] <genii> lobster The moment I figure out how I'll let ya know
[07:59] <innernaut> chmod ?  what ###?
[07:59] <intelikey> innernaut sudo chmod 1777 /tmp
[07:59] <EightyFiveOnline> i restarted kubuntu now my wireless card wont connect to my router
[08:00] <intelikey> innernaut how did you hose your tmp dir ?
[08:00] <innernaut> ?
[08:00] <innernaut> lemme retry real quick... brb
[08:00] <oldwest> thx - ubotu - will check it out
[08:01] <intelikey> i'm lagging,  not incohearant.
[08:01] <EightyFiveOnline> any reasons why
[08:01] <innernaut> you are GODS!
[08:01] <innernaut> it works
[08:01] <innernaut> I wonder how I did that...
[08:01] <intelikey> no.
[08:02] <flowingfire> !ubotu ask
[08:02] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:02] <intelikey> but we are all children of the most high.
[08:02] <flowingfire> !ubotu Are you single?  Can we go out on a date?
[08:02] <lobster> innernaut that last statement (I wonder how I did that) means you will be back in here making us cry tomorrow...
[08:02] <innernaut> thank you so much
[08:03] <lobster> I look forward to it
[08:03] <intelikey> innernaut that was a lesson well learned,   it's things like that that will in a few years make you smell like a reall geek.
[08:03] <genii> intelikey Heh :) Nice detective work there
[08:03] <intelikey> :)
[08:03] <EightyFiveOnline> i was connected to my wireless network now after a restart it wont connect. why not?
[08:03] <innernaut> :)
[08:03] <intelikey> innernaut you're welcome.
[08:04] <intelikey> genii no flowers needed but thanks just the same.
[08:04] <lobster> that was fun
[08:04] <lobster> mokkan: you finish yet?
[08:04] <flowingfire> !ubotu Ask me out on a date please!
[08:05] <EightyFiveOnline> anyone?
[08:05] <lobster> 85o yes?
[08:05] <flowingfire> eightyfiveonline- did u edit rc.local by chance?
[08:05] <EightyFiveOnline> not that im aware of
[08:05] <EightyFiveOnline> i uninstalled gnome then restarted now it wont connect
[08:06] <intelikey> EightyFiveOnline i wish.   i'm network illiterate so not likely to be of any use there.
[08:06] <lobster> eightyfiveonline: how are you connected to your wireless network?
[08:06] <EightyFiveOnline> right now? im in windows
[08:06] <lobster> eljefe!
[08:06] <intelikey> knetwork manager
[08:06] <flowingfire> I'm not likely to be of much help either, but u checked the Network Settings, right?
[08:06] <lobster> eightyfiveonline: I mean physically, what type and what hardware?
[08:06] <madmike_> what up bitches
[08:07] <EightyFiveOnline> netgear router and broadcom pci card... both worked fine before restart
[08:07] <jake> hi guys how do you install wine?
[08:07] <flowingfire> sudo apt-get install wine
[08:07] <lobster> intelikey: haw do you know udev, but not networking?
[08:07] <eljefe> lobster whats up?
[08:07] <genii> sudo apt-get install wine
[08:07] <intelikey> mike what you mad about ?
[08:07] <genii> flowingfire: heh :)
[08:07] <flowingfire> lol genii
[08:07] <madmike_> you know just getting wasted
[08:07] <eljefe> jake: in adept look for wine; or go to the wine page and read on the Ubuntu/Kubuntu installation instructions
[08:08] <madmike_> any hot horny hoes
[08:08] <lobster> eljefe: mostly my beer top my lips
[08:08] <lobster> s/top/to
[08:08] <madmike_> im soooooo fucked up
[08:08] <intelikey> lobster how do you know networking but not sysvinit/udev/kernel and all the other assorted things that your network relys on ?
[08:08] <EightyFiveOnline> anyone with advice for my problem?
[08:08] <madmike_> i lov ee beer
[08:08] <jake> ive installed it but imwondering that it doesnt appear on my start menu
[08:08] <lobster> intelikey how did I know you would say that?
[08:08] <eljefe> madmike_: great, thanks
[08:09] <lobster> intelikey ;)
[08:09] <madmike_> i have a small penis
[08:09] <flowingfire> eightyfiveonline: reinstall gnome if getting rid of it screwed it up... it probably deleted some dependency lol
[08:09] <lobster> madmike keep it pg in here, alright?
[08:10] <intelikey> madmike_ that's enough.
[08:10] <cyt> !backport
[08:10] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[08:10] <flowingfire> jake: type alt-f2, then enter wine-config
[08:10] <EightyFiveOnline> it says it connected then gets to IP configure then stops
  ive installed it but imwondering that it doesnt appear on my start menu
[08:10] <cyt> !packaging
[08:10] <lobster> eightyfiveonline what is the chipset for your broadcom?
[08:10] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[08:10] <madmike_> sorry kiddo mad mike passed out
[08:11] <mokkan> lobster, i think i might just hang in there
[08:11] <madmike_> Im his friend
[08:11] <mokkan> for them to come out with new alsa stuff
[08:11] <mokkan> unless you think its gonna take awhile
[08:11] <genii> EightyFiveOnline: It is conceivable that it is trying to connect to the neighbour's access point
[08:11] <flowingfire> jake: Oops.. I meant winecfg
[08:11] <flowingfire> sorry
[08:11] <dsmith_> is it normal to have to use shift+delete to clear out the .trash folder on a external usb drive?
[08:11] <lobster> mokkan? meaning you are in the process or you are gonna put it off?
[08:12] <EightyFiveOnline> once it displays it says disconnected then i select my network. it wont even connect to the neighbors
[08:12] <mokkan> lobster, meaning ill just not do anything, hah
[08:12] <mokkan> do they generally update alsa stuff that often in the ubuntu repos?
[08:12] <lobster> eightyfiveonline: can you access the admin page on your router?
[08:13] <EightyFiveOnline> right now i can
[08:13] <lobster> mokkan: I don't know, I think it depends more on alsa.  That unplug trick works, though right?
[08:13] <mokkan> yeah
[08:13] <lobster> mokkan: if you boot up unplugged and then plug it in, does that fix it?
[08:13] <mokkan> mhm, works just fine like that
[08:13] <lobster> eightyfiveonline: and from linux?
[08:14] <EightyFiveOnline> not wirelessly
[08:14] <lobster> mokkan: well at least you have sound then.  if you get bored the rc4 drivers fix it, if not they will come your way eventually.
[08:14] <mokkan> lobster mmk.. how long do you think itll be before rc4 are official?
[08:15] <lobster> eightyfiveonline: what was the chipset on your pci card?
[08:15] <lobster> mokkan hold on
[08:15] <EightyFiveOnline> 1 second
[08:16] <EightyFiveOnline> uses the BCMWL5.SYS driver
[08:16] <lobster> mokkan: a month? 6 months?
[08:16] <mokkan> hm
[08:16] <mokkan> thats no good
[08:17] <Rictoo|SLP> sorry, I'm too lazy to find out, EightyFiveOnline, what might be the problem?
[08:17] <Rictoo|SLP> Getting BCMWL5 working on kubuntu?
[08:17] <Rictoo|SLP> too lazy to scroll up*
[08:17] <lobster> mokkan: plus whenever ubuntu decides to add it to the update.
[08:18] <mokkan> :\
[08:18] <Rictoo|SLP> Anyway, I ought to sleep now, but use ndiswrapper :)
[08:18] <mokkan> well maybe i will do that then
[08:18] <EightyFiveOnline> wont connect to the router. says its installed and was working fine. then i uninstalled gnome now it wont
[08:18] <jake> how to run windows programs in wine?
[08:19] <Rictoo|SLP> jake, 'wine'
[08:19] <lobster> eightyfiveonline you need to reinstall the ndiswrapper.  I'm not familiar with them, but I'm guessing it had a startup script tied to gnome somehow?
[08:19] <EightyFiveOnline> whats the command for that again
[08:19] <lobster> !ndiswrapper
[08:19] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
 sorry but im new to linux. whats next?
[08:20] <mokkan> ndiswrapper is what ive had best luck with
[08:20] <EightyFiveOnline> i installed that last time to get it to work
[08:21] <lobster> mokkan: you want to tell eightyfiveonline how to install ndis in kde?
[08:21] <dsmith_> whats the command in ubuntu to delete a file?
[08:21] <lobster> dsmith rm file
[08:21] <dsmith_> thats it
[08:21] <intelikey> dsmith_ rm
[08:21] <dsmith_> duh!
[08:22] <mokkan> ha
[08:22] <mokkan> hell if i know
[08:22] <dsmith_> i have mv and mkdir down
[08:22] <mokkan> i did it in gentoo :\
[08:22] <dsmith_> thx
[08:22] <mokkan> the bcm drivers worked for me in ubuntu
[08:22] <lobster> mokkan: I have managed to avoid ndis so far
[08:22] <mokkan> its actually a lot more reliable in my experience
[08:22] <mokkan> either that or knetworkmanager is buggy
[08:22] <lobster> really?
[08:23] <mokkan> yeah, cuz when i had gentoo on my lappy with ndiswrapper, it worked flawlessly and never dropped
[08:23] <mokkan> not the case now ;P
[08:23] <lobster> hey do you know if I can get knetwork manager to monitor my router for wireless connections?
[08:23] <EightyFiveOnline> it worked great with ndiswrapper with ubuntu now in kubuntu it didnt after in uninstalled
[08:24] <intelikey> dsmith_ when you start thinking in linux terms.   it's things like  rm = remove    cp = copy    ls = list    ch = change   ck = check     then all the commands make sense      well most of them.
[08:24] <intelikey> boy am i lagging...   -:- CTCP PING reply from intelikey: 73.487 seconds
[08:24] <dsmith_> ok........
[08:24] <dsmith_> I am cleaning off my ext. usb drive
[08:25] <intelikey> that puts me out just past neptune i think.
[08:25] <dsmith_> .trash folder was not clearing off
[08:25] <dsmith_> lol
[08:25] <dsmith_> no a lil ways past the moon
[08:26] <EightyFiveOnline> brb
[08:26] <intelikey> we are what about 7 minutes from the sun ?
[08:26] <dsmith_> 8
[08:26] <intelikey> and that's over a minute
[08:26] <dsmith_> 93 million miles
[08:26] <dsmith_> 1 AU
[08:26] <mokkan> i dunno
[08:26] <mokkan> it takes me about 10 to get there
[08:27] <dsmith_> AU = astronomical Unit
[08:27] <mokkan> maybe you guys just walk faster or something
[08:27] <dsmith_> your still stuck on impulse
[08:27] <dsmith_> :P
[08:27] <intelikey> really.
[08:27] <trpr> i love how we are exactly 1 unit away.. thats some convenient math ;)
[08:28] <dsmith_> well its a good rule of thumb to measure large distances
[08:28] <dsmith_> like light year and parsec
[08:28] <mokkan> parsec reminds me of foundation
[08:28] <dsmith_> I forget light year in miles but parsec is 3.26 light years
[08:28] <dsmith_> or something close
[08:29] <dsmith_> when you start to shrink everything down to very small scale you realize how immense the universe really is
[08:29] <lobster> mokkkan: alright I'm off to bed
[08:29] <lobster> good night all!
[08:29] <mokkan> alright, thanks for the help dood
[08:29] <mokkan> gnight
[08:29] <dsmith_> cyas
[08:29] <jake> guys how do i copy windows programs to wine library, to run it. help please
[08:29] <intelikey> hmmmm interesting.  tty3 [greg$~]  math '(93000000 / 186000) / 60'
[08:29] <intelikey> (93000000 / 186000) / 60 = 8.33333333333333333333
[08:29] <intelikey> or 8minutes 20 seconds
[08:29] <dsmith_> thats it
[08:30] <intelikey> if the sun is not lagging....   then it's 11 minutes
[08:30] <dsmith_> intellikey: the next question would be does gravity lag as light does if the sun was removed.
[08:30] <dsmith_> :P
[08:31] <[uplink] > HELLO
[08:31] <[uplink] > I want to know how can I uninstall Kubuntu and install Ubuntu insted
[08:31] <intelikey> dsmith_ you do know that the speed of light is not constang don't you ?
[08:31] <intelikey> constant
[08:32] <dsmith_> i know, scientists have slowed it down and sped it up so I've read
[08:32] <dsmith_> they have even stopped it
[08:32] <dsmith_> uplink: you can install ubuntu inline with kubuntu
[08:33] <[uplink] > but I dont want kubuntu no more
[08:33] <dsmith_> uplink: you can could reinstall ubuntu
[08:33] <dsmith_> er..install I meant
[08:33] <[uplink] > re install ?
[08:33] <intelikey> [uplink]  sudo aptitude remove -P xlib*     ; sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[08:33] <[uplink] > okies
[08:33] <[uplink] > :D
[08:33] <[uplink] > thank you
[08:33] <dsmith_> uplink: there you go
[08:34] <[uplink] > |^\^|
[08:34] <[uplink] > thanx
[08:34] <Assassin`> how do i get beryl-manager to automatically load when i log into xgl???
[08:34] <dsmith_> F=MA
[08:34] <Assassin`> no one is in #ubuntu-effects atm
[08:34] <Jucato> !away > lobster
[08:34] <Assassin`> speaking at least
[08:34] <dsmith_> G = 6.67*10-11 N-m2/kg2 is another one
[08:35] <BWolf_> im back its EightyFiveOnline
[08:35] <dsmith_> alright im out
[08:35] <Jucato> Assassin`: have you checked the beryl wiki? link is in the topic of the #ubuntu-effects
[08:35] <dsmith_> cyas
[08:36] <Jucato> genii: none for me today :(
[08:36] <Jucato> trying to cut back on my caffeine
[08:36] <genii> Jucato Ah, OK... herbal tea for you then LOL
[08:36] <BWolf_> how do i get ndiswrapper installed
[08:36] <[uplink] > BRB
[08:36] <Jucato> heh
[08:38] <BWolf_> ?
[08:39] <Jucato> !ndiswrapper
[08:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:40] <kristjan_> where was edgy eft with some updates released? no? (maintance release of edgy eft or something)
[08:40] <BWolf_> now its saying my driver is invalid
[08:40] <BWolf_> bcmwl5 : driver installed
[08:40] <BWolf_>         device (14E4:4320) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)
[08:40] <BWolf_> bcmwl5.sys : invalid driver!
[08:41] <les> Anyone know how to make Feisty automount a Lexar Jump Drive?
[08:41] <mo0osah> !automount
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <mo0osah> !mount
[08:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:42] <mo0osah> !diskmounter
[08:42] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[08:42] <mo0osah> !fstab
[08:42] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[08:42] <genii> Does anyone know why download links to Edgy were removed off the main site? Just seems Dapper and Feisty there now. Mainly curious
[08:42] <BWolf_> anyone with help
[08:42] <intelikey> btw if anyone want's that script it's posted at  http://intelikey.pastebin.us/36519
[08:44] <genii> !botabuse
[08:44] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[08:44] <intelikey> !ntfs | mo0osah & les
[08:44] <ubotu> mo0osah & les: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:45] <EightyFiveOnline> hello
[08:46] <les> what does the "!" mean? ("!fstab" and "!automount" and "!diskmounter", etc.)
[08:46] <Jucato> les: the ! is for calling the bot with a command or factoid
[08:46] <Hirvinen> !help > les
[08:47] <genii> les when you want to ask the bot here in the channel about something, you put a ! in front of the word. If it knows something it will spit an answer out
[08:48] <Jucato> les: better yet, if you're not sure what you're looking for, just PM the bot so as not to flood the channel :)
[08:48] <les> OK, thanks, genii. I'm an absolute IRC noob.
[08:49] <EightyFiveOnline> okay anyone still here that was helping me earlier
[08:50] <jake> do i have to copy the folder from my windows program to wine in able to run it?
[06:24] (DraxNS/#kubuntu) it lacks some libs or whatever... a hell to trace
[06:24] (DraxNS/#kubuntu) try arson
[06:24] (clau85/#kubuntu) oh, and btw, I am connected through wireless with my laptop, and I can ping each other (<IP_ADDRESS>/2)
[06:24] <DraxNS> small burning app
[06:24] <andi> ok DraxNS thx for your help
[06:24] <DraxNS> sorry .. coudl not help you better :-(
[06:24] <raylu> you could look under k3b's recommended libs
[06:25] <DraxNS> and type better also ;-)
[06:25] <raylu> there are 6 suggested packages that aren't required dependencies
[06:26] <haydar_> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:26] <DraxNS> they are not an issue here raylu ... andi does not even get gui
[06:26] <DraxNS> for k3b
[06:26] <wortel> ok i ran sshd from with its full path (/usr/sbin/sshd) but it doesnt show up under ps -A ...?
[06:27] <DraxNS> so much basic libs are missing
[06:27] <llp> clau85 once you followed the tutorial did you restart eth0 ?
[06:27] <dxdt> wortel: what about sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart?
[06:27] <raylu> then it wouldn't have installed...
[06:27] <raylu> andi, you did install from adept/apt, right?
[06:27] <wortel> dxdt: nm, it worked thanks anyway :)
[06:27] <andi> the packages are installed
[06:27] <clau85> llp: hmm... not eth0 but wlan...
[06:27] <andi> adept yes
[06:28] <andi> and with root it will work
[06:28] <andi> to start k3b
[06:28] <raylu> o.0
[06:28] <raylu> actually...doesn't k3b come with feisty?
[06:28] <DraxNS> yes it does
[06:28] <andi> i dont know
[06:28] <llp> clau85 cant really help never used wireless on linux before - not sure how it all glues together -
[06:28] <DraxNS> I have it on my laptop :-)
[06:28] <andi> its really strange a new installation
[06:28] <andi> and it will not work
[06:29] <clau85> llp: ok, thanks anyway
[06:29] <DraxNS> I am puzzled...if not libs... then it is permissions issue
[06:29] <clau85> llp: it's my first time also and I really had a pretty hard time setting an ad-hoc network :)
[06:30] <DraxNS> are you a member or group burning andi?
[06:30] <nbcb> can i just copy the whole dvd directory in harddisk and play ?
[06:30] <andi> wow wait
[06:30] <andi> hmm in /etc/group is nothing about burning
[06:31] <DraxNS> take a look at kuser
[06:31] <DraxNS> there is gui for user management ;-)
[06:32] <leiar> I can't get mplayerplugin for mozilla to work. Is there a howto on it?
[06:32] <andi> where is kuser?
[06:32] <DraxNS> start > system
[06:32] <haydar_> Anyone got a update 2 date Installation guide for ATi drivers
[06:32] <DraxNS> hmmm burning is not there for me either...
[06:33] <andi> ;)
[06:33] <DraxNS> but are adm admin audio cdrom ....
[06:33] <nbcb> !automatix
[06:33] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:34] <nbcb> !dvd
[06:34] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:34] <DraxNS> !k3b
[06:34] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[06:35] <DraxNS> !arson
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arson - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <raylu> !find arson
[06:35] <ubotu> Found: arson
[06:35] <raylu> gah =\
[06:35] <DraxNS> hehehheheeeee
[06:35] <nbcb> why can't i play this particular dvd? i can play it on normal dvd players but not on my dvd rom
[06:35] <raylu> nbcb, is it burned?
[06:35] <nbcb> no its orginial 8mile
[06:36] <haydar_> guys
[06:36] <haydar_> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide#Enable_.22restricted.22_Repository
[06:36] <haydar_> i need to enable repositorys
[06:36] <haydar_> before installing drivers
[06:36] <haydar_> but
[06:36] <haydar_> on kubuntu i cant find it
[06:36] <haydar_> or is it enabled by default=
[06:36] <MrDigimon> Anyone that have or have tried to install aMSN SVN
[06:37] <MrDigimon> cant get it to work....
[06:37] <DraxNS> !sources.list
[06:37] <raylu> haydar_, huh? drivers for what? and do you know which repositories you need?
[06:37] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:39] <DraxNS> haydar_: start adept... and from top menu find submenu manage repositorys
[06:39] <MrDigimon> anyone?
[06:39] <DraxNS> restricted are NOT enabled by default
[06:39] <DraxNS> so they will be gray
[06:40] <DraxNS> right click on it.. and select enable
[06:40] <raylu> MrDigimon, I don't think anyone here has tried, but perhaps you could tell us what isn't working
[06:40] <DraxNS> I hope you can pick it up from there ;-)
[06:41] <MrDigimon> i get error signal 127 when trying to make deb
[06:41] <MrDigimon> but i dont know what it means :$
[06:42] <raylu> isn't there anything else in the error?
[06:42] <MrDigimon> (cd .; autoconf)
[06:42] <MrDigimon> /bin/sh: autoconf: command not found
[06:42] <MrDigimon> make: *** [configure]  Error 127
[06:42] <MrDigimon> thats the whole error
[06:43] <raylu> sounds like you need to install autoconf
[06:43] <BluesKaj> err make sure you have make and build-essential installed
[06:44] <raylu> if he didn't have those, i don't think he could ./configurfe
[06:44] <raylu> *./configure
[06:44] <DraxNS> anyone here knows how to configure sources.list to use downloaded feisty repo?
[06:44] <MrDigimon> ./configure works but not make deb
[06:44] <raylu> "downloaded feisty?"
[06:44] <DraxNS> I have whole repo :-)
[06:44] <raylu> MrDigimon, have you installed build-essential?
[06:44] <DraxNS> ~16GB
[06:44] <raylu> o.0
[06:45] <raylu> the smart thing would have been to use aptitude download [name]
[06:45] <raylu> i suppose you could try putting it in the dpkg archive
[06:45] <ceritus> can anyone tell a complete noob how to install program that I only have the .deb file?
[06:45] <DraxNS> I used apt-mirror
[06:45] <raylu> ceritus, right-click
[06:45] <BluesKaj> MrDigimon, just put ./ in front of the deb file
[06:45] <raylu> *ceritus?
[06:45] <BluesKaj> it'll self install
[06:46] <fdoving> MrDigimon: you need the automake package.
[06:46] <MrDigimon> ok, installing....
[06:46] <ceritus> so just right click and install it and it will load an install screen?
[06:46] <MrDigimon> automake1.9?
[06:46] <DraxNS> well try it ceritus
[06:46] <ceritus> sorry i'm borrowing my older brothers computer and I don't have a clue
[06:46] <DraxNS> it will not kill you ;-)
[06:46] <raylu> if you right-click, there should be a package manager entry in that context menu
[06:47] <raylu> or you can do what BluesKaj said
[06:47] <fdoving> MrDigimon: the package 'automake' will select the best version.
[06:47] <ceritus> i'll try it thanks
[06:47] <MrDigimon> oh, im using synaptic to install it
[06:47] <raylu> that's fine
[06:48] <fdoving> MrDigimon: what is it you're trying to compile?
[06:48] <MrDigimon> aMSN SVN
[06:48] <will00> im trying to put kubuntu 7.04 onto my thinkpad laptop and when i try to boot the live cd, i get error 2, and then something about a compression format
[06:49] <nbcb> why can't i play my dvd!!! urgh
[06:49] <will00> does anyone know how to fix this?
[06:51] <dxdt> will00: sounds just like the cd might have burned badly?
[06:52] <will00> dxdt nope not that, iv burned it 2x
[06:52] <will00> with 2 seperate downloads
[06:53] <raylu> do you even get to the menu with the options, will00?
[06:53] <will00> yes
[06:53] <DraxNS> will00: have you used torrent or classic download>?
[06:53] <MrDigimon> i've installed all the packs but is this the one thats missing TkCximage (gets some errors about it)
[06:53] <wortel> is there anything i can do if i forgot my root password? :(
[06:53] <will00> torrent and classic
[06:53] <will00> it might just be the age
[06:54] <raylu> can you change the root password through the gui user manager as another user logged into admin mode?
[06:54] <DraxNS> wortel: boot up in rescue  mod
[06:55] <wortel> raylu: lol worked thanks :))
[06:55] <soulrider> !dvd | nbcb:
[06:55] <ubotu> nbcb:: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:55] <DraxNS> on the other hand.... why do you use root account on kubuntu???
[06:56] <soulrider> wortel: you should use the root account
[06:56] <raylu> soulrider, he was locked out of his root account...
[06:57] <DraxNS> well there is no root account to start with... by default :-)
[06:57] <soulrider> yeah
[06:57] <soulrider> root is disabled
[06:58] <soulrider> just use sudo :P
[06:58] <raylu> there is, but it's disabled...and obviously, he can't use root to unlock root........
[06:58] <DraxNS> nice thingy... once you get used to it
[06:58] <blekos> i desperately need ur help, after the last update, the keyboard in KDE doesnt work
[06:58] <blekos> now I'm in gnome session
[06:58] <DraxNS> I was used to root account before... and sudo was a bit strange to me
[06:58] <will00> is there any particular reason that kubuntu wont load on a computer whos bios is from before 2000?
[06:58] <blekos> do u know the package for it so i can re-install it?
[06:59] <soulrider> will00: weird, maybe you need some kernel parameters
[06:59] <raylu> kubuntu-desktop, blekos?
[06:59] <blekos> hmm, not sure
[06:59] <soulrider> raylu: thatw ill reinstall a lot
[06:59] <raylu> will00, any chance we could see the rest of the error
[06:59] <blekos> is there a specific module
[06:59] <mo0osah> !MAD
[06:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:59] <will00> sure lemme go find it
[06:59] <raylu> soulrider, i suppose that's a good thing, seeing as how he can't use his keyboard
[06:59] <soulrider> blekos: hold on a sec
[06:59] <blekos> ok
[06:59] <raylu> blekos, on the other hand, reinstalling probably ins't the way to go
[06:59] <soulrider> raylu: but maybe he doesnt want some of those packages
[07:00] <raylu> *isn't
[07:00] <soulrider> i mean, sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop will most likely fix it
[07:00] <raylu> mo0osah, mp3 support?
[07:00] <soulrider> but its not what *I* would do
[07:00] <blekos> i can give it at try
[07:00] <raylu> that's what i just said too :P
[07:00] <soulrider> blekos: im not sure
[07:00] <soulrider> but there may be a log
[07:00] <soulrider> so you can see what got uninstalled
[07:00] <soulrider> also, i would search the forums first
[07:01] <raylu> blekos, how about trying kmenu > system settings > keyboard layouts?
[07:01] <mo0osah> raylu: k3b gives an error about missing mp3 decoder
[07:01] <blekos> the thing is not on the layouts, but on the actuall keyboard, nothing workds
[07:01] <raylu> !mp3 | mo0osah
[07:01] <ubotu> mo0osah: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:01] <ceritus> so i right clicked on my .deb file and selected install from the package menu and it flashed and that was it...what am I missing?
[07:01] <blekos> not even caps...
[07:01] <raylu> actually, mo0osah, open amarok and play an mp3
[07:02] <will00> it says "invalid compressed format (err=2) --sustem halted
[07:02] <raylu> why would kde not see a hardware device that gnome does?
[07:02] <DraxNS> mo0osah: install libk3b2-mp3
[07:02] <raylu> will00, try checking the cd
[07:02] <raylu> with the cd
[07:03] <mo0osah> DraxNS: thanks.
[07:03] <will00> i did same error
[07:03] <Le1> hi
[07:03] <ceritus> so i right clicked on my .deb file and selected install from the package menu and it flashed and that was it...what am I missing?
[07:03] <Le1> What exactly is the "lost+found" folder for?
[07:04] <mo0osah>  ceritus: i think it installed
[07:04] <DraxNS> Le1: for rescue .... after forced restart etc
[07:04] <Le1> anybody?
[07:04] <raylu> i don't think so, ceritus. try doing what BluesKaj
[07:04] <DraxNS> Le1: do not touch it and do not remove it....
[07:04] <raylu> said
[07:04] <Le1> DraxNS: Are you talking to me?
[07:04] <DraxNS> yes
[07:05] <DraxNS> Le1: for rescue .... after forced restart etc
[07:05] <DraxNS> Le1: do not touch it and do not remove it....
[07:05] <Moduliz0r> DraxNS: Ok thanks
[07:05] <Moduliz0r> I cant see my name on this in GAIM >.<
[07:05] <ceritus> i didn't write it down sorry is there anyway  someone could take pity and tell me again
[07:05] <DraxNS> :-D
[07:05] <raylu> use konversation or kopete, Moduliz0r
[07:05] <raylu> ceritus, ./[packagename.deb]  in konsole
[07:05] <DraxNS> or even xchat ;-)
[07:06] <mo0osah> !lame
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lame - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <SlimG2> How do I change the default viewmode from "icon" to "detailed list" in Konqueror ?
[07:07] <ceritus> it's tellimg me "permission denied"
[07:07] <raylu> mo0osah, are you trying to burn or rip?
[07:07] <mo0osah> i was just reading some article and wondering what lame was
[07:07] <raylu> oh. it's an mp3 encoder
[07:08] <mo0osah> raylu: cool
[07:08] <mo0osah> raylu: do you know how to mount bin cue files?
[07:08] <raylu> there's a guide for it somewhere
[07:09] <ceritus> so I tried to "./*.deb" and it told me "Permission denied" help?????
[07:09] <will00> i checked the cd, and it came up with the same error
[07:09] <DraxNS> ceritus:  you need to be a superuser to executre install
[07:10] <ceritus> how to I become a super user? (sorry for the stupid questions)
[07:10] <raylu> mo0osah, conversion: http://www.jonhoweonline.com/blog/node/82
[07:10] <raylu> !sudo | ceritus
[07:10] <ubotu> ceritus: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:10] <DraxNS> ceritus: sudo or kdesu...
[07:10] <DraxNS> !kdesu
[07:10] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:11] <DraxNS> !sudo
[07:11] <DraxNS>
[07:11] <DraxNS> hmm a bit of lag :-)
[07:11] <raylu> i think that's its queue
[07:12] <ceritus> so i need to type "sudo ./*.deb" and type in the password?
[07:12] <DraxNS> no
[07:13] <DraxNS> you cannot do that
[07:13] <DraxNS> you should really cover your basics...
[07:13] <DraxNS> just doubleclick on .deb file
[07:14] <TheCreationist> I just did a clean install of Edgy and now suddenly Amarok doesn't run.  I've run it in the terminal, but there are no error messages, it just quits.  Any ideas?
[07:14] <DraxNS> it will ask you what you want to do
[07:14] <DraxNS> choose install
[07:14] <ceritus> it opens .ark
[07:14] <DraxNS> it's fine
[07:14] <DraxNS> there you have option install somewhere.. in ark
[07:15] <noam_> ark is an archive manager :/
[07:15] <ceritus> if I right click on the *.deb file and select install from the package menu if blinks and thats that
[07:15] <DraxNS> I do not know why people do things the herdest way...
[07:15] <DraxNS> =hardest
[07:16] <dr_willis> they are used to the windows way of doing things.
[07:16] <dr_willis> :)
[07:16] <noam_> right click the .deb and choose something that looks like 'install'. double click opens the archive manager.
[07:16] <DraxNS> why o why dont you use adept or synaptic for installation?
[07:16] <DraxNS> that is just beyond me :-)
[07:16] <ceritus> i just have the *.deb file
[07:16] <ceritus> if I could use adept I would
[07:16] <DraxNS> ceritus: what file it is?
[07:17] <DraxNS> and why cant you use adept???
[07:18] <DraxNS> this is NOT windows you know... ;-)
[07:18] <DraxNS> you have about 20k packages at hand....
[07:19] <DraxNS> just use adept or synaptic
[07:19] <DraxNS> and they will take care of all things
[07:19] <DraxNS> intall/reinstall/remove
[07:20] <dr_willis> i constantly amaze windows users by using the apt system and tools  to install stuff...
[07:20] <dr_willis> 'you dident have to go to  the nvidia web site to get the drivers??? how did you do that!?'
[07:21] <dr_willis> :)
[07:21] <mo0osah> When I try to mount something it says mount point does not exist
[07:22] <mo0osah> !mount point
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mount point - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <mo0osah> !mount
[07:22] <sercik> hi mo0osah can you write the exact command that you use?
[07:22] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:22] <mo0osah> mount -o loop -t iso9660 image.iso /mnt/image
[07:22] <sercik> excuse for the question but /mnt/image exists??
[07:23] <mo0osah> serick, no it doesnt.  but isnt it supposed to create it?
[07:23] <DraxNS> no
[07:23] <sercik> no i don't think
[07:23] <sercik> you need to create before
[07:23] <DraxNS> mount point MUST exist
[07:23] <sercik> and then probably you need to use sudo to mount a file
[07:23] <sercik> and to create mount point
[07:23] <DraxNS> yes
[07:23] <sercik> sudo mkdir /mnt/image
[07:23] <mo0osah> ok thanks
[07:24] <DraxNS> basics... ahh those basics ;-)
[07:24] <mo0osah> this is my 3rd hard working day :(
[07:24] <DraxNS> and there will be many more :-)
[07:24] <sercik> DraxNS i can't believe that people use linux.... and don't know what is a mount point...
[07:25] <DraxNS> beleive it... sercik
[07:25] <mo0osah> hehe... i was trying to create the folder like windows but i guess i didnt have su access
[07:25] <DraxNS> once again.... Linux is NOT Windows
[07:25] <noam_> what's wrong with that? it's good that people can use the operating systems without knowing its internals.
[07:25] <DraxNS> yes... but as all other things... it requires LEARNING
[07:25] <sercik> but is interesting to see many people experiment with linux also if they are not expert
[07:26] <Jack333> hmm
[07:26] <Jack333> how do i use a .run file/
[07:26] <DraxNS> and people DO NOT like to learn new stuff
[07:26] <Jack333> do i have to chmod it first?
[07:26] <sercik> noam_ this is a long question but the most part of us think that before use linux you need to know basic commands
[07:26] <Lynoure> I like learning new stuff :)
[07:26] <noam_> sh filename, or give it execute permissions (konqueror can do that, right click -> properties on the file) and then just run it
[07:26] <sercik> Jack333 chmod +x file.bin
[07:26] <TheCreationist> I just did a clean install of Edgy and now suddenly Amarok doesn't run.  I've run it in the terminal, but there are no error messages, it just quits.  Any ideas?
[07:27] <sercik> and then sudo ./filename.bin
[07:27] <sercik> TheCreationist you have done a good think to run it into terminl but if there aren't error messages......
[07:28] <noam_> TheCreationist, does amarok work when you load edgy as a live cd?
[07:28] <sercik> Jack333 if you do ls -sa --color executable are green
[07:29] <sercik> someone is interesting to know alias commands??
[07:29] <sercik> alias is very useful to customize command at your needs?
[07:29] <Jack333> ah thx
[07:29] <sercik> cd
[07:29] <sercik> then vi .bashrc
[07:30] <sercik> and then insert alias ls='ls -sa --color'
[07:30] <sercik> alias cp='cp -i'
[07:30] <sercik> alias rm='rm -i'
[07:30] <sercik> and etc. etc..
[07:30] <sercik> for example a goos use is to mount a partition
[07:31] <sercik> alias D='mount /dev/hda2'
[07:31] <sercik> alias D='mount /dev/hda2; cd /media/D'
[07:31] <sercik> its enough for now
[07:33] <sercik> noone need helps? i'm free for 15 minutes..
[07:34] <MrBougo> i don't :p
[07:34] <MrBougo> except if you know how to reinstall all the packages from the CD
[07:34] <sercik> OOOOOKKKKK i go to play with wwf superstars
[07:34] <MrBougo> xDDD
[07:34] <MrBougo> and i go to reinstall my kubuntu
[07:34] <sercik> i know
[07:34] <MrBougo> hehe
[07:34] <sercik> you can use a script
[07:35] <MrBougo> reinstalling is easier :p
[07:35] <sercik> enter the directory in which are .deb and do
[07:35] <sercik> for X in *; do dpkg -i $X done
[07:36] <sercik> or similar... i don't remember exactly the syntax
[07:36] <MrBougo> sounds crazy, but it will install *everything*
[07:36] <MrBougo> and i want it to reinstall all the packages i've ninstalled, so they come in english
[07:36] <MrBougo> erhm
[07:36] <MrBougo> i'm reinstalling :'D
[07:36] <sercik> i'm jiking
[07:36] <sercik> i'm joking
[07:36] <sercik> bye!
[07:36] <MrBougo> cya :p
[07:36] <taime1> is seamonkey not available in the repos?
[07:37] <TheCreationist> noam_: I didn't try running Amarok from the LiveCD.  But I know this is the first time I've reinstalled Kubuntu where Amarok did not work.  Should I just try removing my .amarok/ folder?
[07:38] <noam_> there isn't such. it's in ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok. you can try, i don't know what will happen if you do that..
[07:38] <TheCreationist> noam_: No, I meant in my /home/ folder... all the settings and such.
[07:38] <noam_> yeah. /home/yourusername/.kde/share/apps/amarok
[07:38] <taime1> TheCreationist:  that has always worked for me on various programs
[07:39] <TheCreationist> noam_, taime1: Alright, I'll give that a shot, then.
[07:39] <taime1> TheCreationist:  also try sudo apt-get --purge remove <package name>
[07:40] <haydar_> damn
[07:40] <haydar_> kubuntu crashed
[07:40] <TheCreationist> taime1: Well, purge and then reinstall didn't change a thing.
[07:40] <haydar_> -.- reinstalled
[07:40] <taime1> then yes, i wouold remove the .amarok folder
[07:40] <haydar_> gg ati drivers -.-
[07:41] <taime1> i want seamonkey!
[07:41] <TheCreationist> noam_, taime1: Okay, deleting ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok did the trick ;)
[07:41] <TheCreationist> taime1: So install it ;)
[07:41] <DraxNS> I want... well it's not for public ;-)
[07:42] <taime1> awesome, looks like noam had it right
[07:42] <noam_> heh :) congratulations, TheCreationist
[07:42] <taime1> ROFL  there is a guy in #ubuntu called nigro
[07:43] <DraxNS> taime1: so?
[07:43] <MrBougo> if i set some alias like "ls=ls --something"
[07:43] <MrBougo> how can i access the regular ls?
[07:43] <sercik> the sintax in not right
[07:43] <taime1> DraxNS: sometimes i wonder why people do silly things
[07:43] <DraxNS> :-)
[07:43] <sercik> ls='ls --somethin'
[07:43] <haydar_> Guys i followed the guide on wikipedia installing ATi drivers
[07:44] <haydar_> it all fucked up
[07:44] <MrBougo> sercik, that's no the problem :p
[07:44] <haydar_> X couldt start -.-
[07:44] <MrBougo> not*
[07:44] <sercik> for example you can set another alias
[07:44] <haydar_> anyone got another guide
[07:44] <sercik> alias dir='ls'
[07:44] <taime1> haydar_: there is no need to install the ati drivers manually
[07:44] <MrBougo> sercik, i know, but i was wondering... is there some command to "bypass" an alias?
[07:44] <sercik> alias l='ls'
[07:44] <haydar_> taime1
[07:44] <taime1> haydar_:  simply enable them in the restricted drivers manager
[07:44] <sercik> i don't think
[07:44] <haydar_> how do i get there
[07:45] <haydar_> taime1
[07:45] <taime1> system>administration>restricted drivers manager
[07:45] <MrBougo> okay, thank you :p
[07:45] <haydar_> Taime1
[07:45] <MrBougo> oooh i found it
[07:45] <haydar_> i dont have administration
[07:46] <MrBougo> prefix the command with a backslash
[07:46] <haydar_> only system
[07:46] <taime1> oops...sorry, i am running gnome, my bad
[07:46] <sercik> MrBougo thanks for the tips
[07:46] <DraxNS> haydar_:
[07:46] <taime1> anyone?
[07:46] <DraxNS> sudo apt-get update
[07:46] <DraxNS> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-verzija_kernela_koji_koristite
[07:46] <DraxNS> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:46] <DraxNS> sudo depmod -a
[07:46] <DraxNS> sudo aticonfig --initial (umesto ovoga mozete samo u fajlu xorg.conf zamenuti rec ati recju fglrx u redovima gde pise driver=)
[07:46] <DraxNS> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[07:46] <MrBougo> :D
[07:46] <MrBougo> that can be pretty useful
[07:46] <haydar_> DraxNS
[07:46] <haydar_> i did that
[07:46] <haydar_> but maybe the thing i changed @ xorg file
[07:47] <haydar_> caused the crash
[07:47] <DraxNS> xorg.conf
[07:47] <DraxNS> Section "Extensions"
[07:47] <DraxNS> Option "Composite" "0"
[07:47] <DraxNS> EndSection
[07:47] <haydar_> yep
[07:47] <haydar_> i did it
[07:47] <binks> anyone here use jinzora
[07:47] <haydar_> after that i only got blackscreen
[07:47] <DraxNS> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/dri /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri
[07:47] <binks> how do i get pictures to show in jinora
[07:47] <haydar_> ok i'll try it
[07:47] <DraxNS> that worked for me on 6.10 :-)
[07:48] <haydar_> xD i'm using 7.04
[07:48] <haydar_> maybe thats why it crashed
[07:48] <DraxNS> it should not matter
[07:48] <haydar_> After i got into the command line
[07:49] <haydar_> i typt sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[07:49] <haydar_> and delete the section i made
[07:49] <haydar_> but i got a empty file
[07:49] <DraxNS> no xorg?
[07:49] <haydar_> " when it crashed "
[07:49] <haydar_> it was a empty file
[07:49] <haydar_> when  i opened it with nan
[07:49] <haydar_> o
[07:49] <spanner3003> anyone got linuxmce working?
[07:49] <TheCreationist> spanner3003: Just the guy that made the demo video lol
[07:50] <DraxNS> hmmm interesting.. meny people are having issues with that.. ati and nvidia
[07:50] <spanner3003> oh :(
[07:50] <DraxNS> what fglrxinfo says haydar_ ?
[07:50] <nipolo> hi there. using kubuntu feisty. I click an AVI file in konq and it opens in kaffeine. however, the only thing I see is blackness, and the seek slider
[07:50] <nipolo> ...moves forward reaaaly fast
[07:50] <binks> nipolo: its a codec issue
[07:51] <DraxNS> !codec
[07:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:51] <haydar_> Ok i'm installing the xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:51] <haydar_> i did that
[07:51] <haydar_> now just do the next step?
[07:51] <nipolo> I thought so. Thanks, I'll check those links :)
[07:51] <haydar_> DraxNS
[07:51] <haydar_> haydar@haydar-desktop:~$ fglrxinfo
[07:51] <haydar_> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[07:51] <haydar_> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
[07:51] <haydar_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 1x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE TCL
[07:51] <haydar_> OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 6.5.2
[07:51] <haydar_> this is what i get at fglrxinfo
[07:51] <haydar_> atm
[07:52] <DraxNS> so you still have generic driver
[07:52] <haydar_> yep
[07:52] <DraxNS> NOT fglrx
[07:52] <DraxNS> edit xorg by hand
[07:52] <haydar_> ok i'll do but i just finished installing the xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:52] <DraxNS> and where you have ati replace it withfglrx
[07:53] <haydar_> Hmm okay
[07:53] <DraxNS> and where you have ati replace it with fglrx
[07:53] <haydar_> DraxNS
[07:53] <haydar_> sudo depmod -a
[07:53] <haydar_> what does that do
[07:53] <DraxNS> there should be 2 or 3 ati items
[07:53] <DraxNS> depmod checks for dependencies... and updates them
[07:53] <DraxNS> -a says --all
[07:54] <haydar_> udo aticonfig --initial (umesto ovoga mozete samo u fajlu xorg.conf zamenuti rec ati recju fglrx u redovima gde pise driver=)
[07:54] <haydar_> what language :P is that
[07:54] <DraxNS> sorry
[07:54] <haydar_> rofl
[07:54] <DraxNS> my native language -)
[07:54] <haydar_> =)
[07:54] <haydar_> so i typ just
[07:54] <haydar_> aticonfig --initial
[07:54] <haydar_> ?
[07:54] <DraxNS> DO NOT use that sudo aticonfig
[07:54] <DraxNS> it always breakes things up
[07:55] <haydar_> LoL the only things i did atm are
[07:55] <DraxNS> instead change ati fith fglrx in xorg.conf
[07:55] <DraxNS> fith = with
[07:55] <haydar_> ok
[07:55] <haydar_> but i already did this
[07:55] <haydar_> Ok i'm installing the xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:56] <haydar_> that
[07:56] <haydar_> so now i just go in the xorg.conf
[07:56] <haydar_> and change those stuff to what you told?
[07:56] <DraxNS> and replace ati with fglrx yes
[07:56] <DraxNS> after that check with fglrxinfo
[07:56] <DraxNS> you should get ati info... not mesa
[07:57] <haydar_> do i need to do this 2 ?
[07:57] <DraxNS> what?
[07:57] <haydar_> xorg.conf
[07:57] <haydar_> [19:47]  <DraxNS> Section "Extensions"
[07:57] <haydar_> [19:47]  <DraxNS> Option "Composite" "0"
[07:57] <haydar_> [19:47]  <DraxNS> EndSection
[07:57] <DraxNS> yes.... if it is not there
[07:57] <DraxNS> you have to add that
[07:58] <SlimG2> When I start konqueror 3.5.6 (kubuntu 7.04) with a tab located at $HOME and use "View > View Mode > Detailed List View" Konqueror doesn't write a $HOME/.directory file and thus forgets for future use that I prefer "Detailed List View", what's wrong?
[07:58] <haydar_> wtf i get alot of errors
[07:58] <haydar_> kate /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[07:59] <haydar_> sudo kate /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[07:59] <haydar_> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[07:59] <haydar_> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[07:59] <haydar_> KCrash: Application 'kate' crashing...
[07:59] <haydar_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:59] <haydar_> Xlib: No protocol specified
[07:59] <haydar_> any idea :S?
[07:59] <DraxNS> can you start kate at all?
[08:00] <DraxNS> like user
[08:00] <haydar_> it starts
[08:00] <haydar_> with user but
[08:00] <haydar_> haydar@haydar-desktop:~$ kate
[08:00] <haydar_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[08:00] <haydar_>   Major opcode:  145
[08:00] <haydar_>   Minor opcode:  3
[08:00] <haydar_>   Resource id:  0x0
[08:00] <DraxNS> do you get it?
[08:00] <haydar_> Failed to open device
[08:00] <haydar_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[08:00] <haydar_>   Major opcode:  145
[08:00] <haydar_>   Minor opcode:  3
[08:00] <haydar_>   Resource id:  0x0
[08:00] <haydar_> Failed to open dev
[08:00] <haydar_> then it starts
[08:00] <haydar_> what do you mean?
[08:00] <DraxNS> no matter of errors
[08:00] <haydar_> aah ok
[08:01] <haydar_> yep
[08:01] <DraxNS> do you get kate
[08:01] <haydar_> kate starts
[08:01] <DraxNS> ok
[08:01] <DraxNS> now.. kdesu kate
[08:01] <DraxNS> and wait :-)
[08:01] <haydar_> it started
[08:01] <haydar_> now what :P
[08:01] <DraxNS> open xorg and edit it :-)
[08:01] <DraxNS> as explained before
[08:01] <haydar_> lets try
[08:01] <DraxNS> go go go ;-)
[08:02] <haydar_> a empty file
[08:02] <haydar_> wtf
[08:02] <haydar_> do kate /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[08:02] <DraxNS> welll
[08:02] <DraxNS> it is /etc/X11 NOT /et/x11
[08:03] <DraxNS> wrong path
[08:03] <DraxNS> X not x
[08:03] <haydar_> HAHAHA
[08:03] <haydar_> omg
[08:03] <haydar_> thx
[08:03] <DraxNS> o yeah
[08:03] <haydar_> this is why it didnt work in commandline :P
[08:03] <haydar_> forgot the capital X
[08:03] <haydar_> lol
[08:03] <haydar_> xD
[08:03] <DraxNS> as usual.. PEBKAC
[08:03] <haydar_> :P what does it mean
[08:04] <DraxNS> Problem Exists Between Kayboard And Chair ;-)
[08:04] <haydar_> xD
[08:04] <haydar_> fglrx
[08:04] <haydar_> @ all ati stuff
[08:04] <DraxNS> yes
[08:05] <DraxNS> and that composite stuff
[08:05] <DraxNS> if it is not there
[08:05] <haydar_> lol ok: )
[08:06] <haydar_> i only see one with ati
[08:06] <haydar_> u told me there where 3 or 2
[08:06] <haydar_> :P
[08:07] <haydar_> DraxNS
[08:07] <DraxNS> yes
[08:07] <haydar_> there is only one ati
[08:07] <haydar_> in the file
[08:07] <haydar_> and i changed that
[08:07] <DraxNS> oh well... you do not have tvout?
[08:07] <haydar_> =p nope
[08:07] <DraxNS> that is why you have only one :-)
[08:07] <haydar_> xD ok now lets add that piece
[08:07] <haydar_> searching
[08:07] <DraxNS> composite
[08:08] <DraxNS> yes
[08:08] <DraxNS> one advice... ALWAYS back up config files BEFORE messing with them
[08:08] <haydar_> Ok:)
[08:08] <DraxNS> it may come handy ;-)
[08:09] <haydar_> :P or just change what u added ownd:P
[08:09] <DraxNS> ;-)
[08:10] <DraxNS> if you have changed/added all that had to be added.. save and exit :-)
[08:10] <chris__> HI
[08:10] <DraxNS> and either reboot or ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:10] <tobias_> hello dear people:)
[08:10] <haydar_> ok i saved it
[08:10] <haydar_> lets pray :P
[08:11] <haydar_> drax
[08:11] <DraxNS> it will work... or not ;_)
[08:11] <haydar_> i'm restarting
[08:11] <haydar_> :P
[08:11] <haydar_> Just complete
[08:11] <chris__> what's this? ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:11] <haydar_> Xserv restart?
[08:11] <DraxNS> shortcut for restarting X
[08:11] <DraxNS> yes
[08:11] <haydar_> draxns
[08:11] <haydar_> if i do that
[08:11] <haydar_> Restart X
[08:11] <haydar_> will it just popup again
[08:11] <haydar_> the gui
[08:11] <haydar_> or do i need to do something special :P
[08:12] <tobias_> does anyone know how i can divide a big file into smaller files? i need some kind of archiving program like winzip or winrar only for kubuntu :)
[08:12] <syntax_> search a german irc channel, can anybody help me?
[08:12] <Sanne> !de | syntax_
[08:12] <ubotu> syntax_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:12] <Sanne> syntax_: :)
[08:12] <DraxNS> tobias_: use krusader
[08:13] <tobias_> kool, thanx :)
[08:13] <DraxNS> tobias_: it has option for splitting files
[08:13] <DraxNS> like total commander on windows
[08:13] <tobias_> thats just great!
[08:14] <DraxNS> I just splited kubuntu dvd ;-)
[08:14] <DraxNS> and composed it back again :-)
[08:14] <chris__> gnome-commander or bsc?
[08:14] <tobias_> can the files be easily put together on a windows machine? my friend has a winbox :)
[08:15] <DraxNS> tobias_: sorry... not sure about that
[08:15] <tobias_> oki
[08:15] <DraxNS> try with smaller files and tc
[08:15] <DraxNS> it uses I think same .crc file
[08:15] <DraxNS> I do not have windows quite some time... so I do not know
[08:16] <MrBougo> bye
[08:16] <ninina> when using beryl, can one get adept Noifier to go into the icon bar thing?


[13:29] <cjohnston> AlanBell are the bots ready for uds?
[13:38] <JoseeAntonioR> or tsimpson ^
[13:43] <tsimpson> cjohnston: udsbotu is ready, the logbots are nothing to do with me though
[13:44] <cjohnston> tsimpson: sweet
[13:44] <cjohnston> tsimpson: I don't see it in the plenary room
[13:51] <tsimpson> cjohnston: there now
[13:51] <cjohnston> ty
[14:48] <cjohnston> tsimpson: umm.. the bot *just now* changed the topic in #ubuntu-uds-plenary
[14:48] <cjohnston> was it just not opped?
[14:49] <tsimpson> yeah, it doesn't actually have access so I had to op it manually
[14:49] <cjohnston> gotcha
[14:49] <cjohnston> ty
[17:26] <Rafik> I just had to re-register my Nick. Can you guys help with getting back my cloak? my lp: https://launchpad.net/~rafik
[17:27] <Rafik> I'm already member of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks - Thanks!
[17:32] <pleia2> I could also still use my cloak updated to match my account/lp name (lyz)
[17:33]  * nhandler is free to help if the IRCC ACKs
[17:41] <Tm_T> nhandler: synackack
[17:41] <Tm_T> eikumitensemenikään
[17:41] <nhandler> On it
[17:43] <nhandler> pleia2, Rafik: You should both be set
[17:43] <Tm_T> thanks comrade nhandler
[17:43] <pleia2> Tm_T, nhandler thank you :)
[17:43] <nhandler> You are both welcome


[20:45] <bcurtiswx> leaving for TOI very soon
[20:45] <bcurtiswx> coming from WFC
[20:49] <ceros> i'm now just leaving so i'll be there late
[20:49] <ceros> see ya
[21:10] <bcurtiswx> I'm on the orange line as I type
[21:12] <bcurtiswx> Going underground not sure how conn will be
[21:29] <bcurtiswx> @metro center
[22:05] <bcurtiswx> At TOI


[01:14] <callmepk> good morning
[01:37] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[01:41] <callmepk> morning duflu , how is your weekend going?
[01:41] <duflu> callmepk, it's Monday but the weekend was good. You?
[01:42] <callmepk> Pretty good
[03:37] <jibel> morning all
[03:43] <duflu> Hi jibel (!?)
[03:57] <jibel> Hello duflu
[05:51] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:51] <duflu> Hi seb128
[05:51] <jibel> salut seb128
[05:52] <duflu> I can see you more clearly in 4K now
[05:53] <duflu> Pity everything is stuttering, but I will figure that out...
[05:56] <seb128> hey duflu, ricotz, jibel, how are you? had a good w.e?
[05:57] <duflu> seb128, still pretty quiet and isolated. Only saw family. You?
[05:58] <jibel> it's been a nice w-e. My daughter's birthday party on Saturday, bicycle ride yesterday and still unboxing and mounting furniture.
[05:58] <jibel> I'd enjoy a bit more sleep though
[05:59] <seb128> duflu, saturday was nice, great weather and we walked around for a bit, yesterday was grey and a bit borring, we are still not seeing much people nor doing much outside :/
[05:59] <seb128> jibel, ah nice :)
[06:01] <jibel> seb128, are coworking spaces open in NL? I'm starting to really miss it.
[06:03] <seb128> I think they can reopen if they respect the 1.5m rule etc but I didn't go check if the local one is reopen yet
[06:05] <seb128> but yeah, that has been long enough, I would welcome going outside; seeing people and not be day and nights in the same place
[06:18] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Monday!
[06:22] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:22] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:28] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN duflu seb128 jibel
[06:29] <duflu> Morning ricotz
[07:13] <didrocks> good morning
[07:18] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:19] <duflu> Hi didrocks and marcustomlinson
[07:21] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, duflu
[07:22] <marcustomlinson> jibel: you’re in NL now?
[07:23] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz, didrocks, marcustomlinson
[07:25] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu didrocks oSoMoN
[07:27] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:44]  * duflu just discovered you can set high DPI console fonts in VTs. That's nice
[07:46] <jibel> marcustomlinson, no, I'm still in France in Brittany
[07:52] <seb128> lut didrocks, oSoMoN, hey marcustomlinson, how are you? good w.e?
[07:54] <seb128> didrocks, thx for the libnma mir review!
[07:59] <didrocks> seb128: yw :)
[08:01] <marcustomlinson> hey seb128, pretty good thanks. looks like the restrictions will be eased enough this week for me to visit my parents next week :)
[08:02] <marcustomlinson> the grandparents are really missing their new grandchild!
[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:03] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[08:04] <Laney> what up MT
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:05] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:06] <Laney> https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1272439418792673281 😳
[08:06] <Laney> moin didrocks & duflu!
[08:16] <seb128> hey Laney, how was the long w.e?
[08:33] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers
[08:33] <marcustomlinson> hi Wimpress
[08:34] <Wimpress> Hey marcustomlinson o/
[08:45] <duflu> Hi Wimpress
[08:48] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, Laney, Wimpress
[08:50] <didrocks> HEY Wimpress
[08:50] <didrocks> without capslock works as well :p
[08:51] <Laney> sup seb128 Wimpress
[08:52] <Laney> weekend was nice, went and explored a hidden abandoned tunnel https://photos.app.goo.gl/iarczD2hDyUv2Q57A
[08:52] <Laney> too scared to go in though, will have to come back not alone
[09:06] <seb128> hehe; wise choice
[09:08] <luna_> i was on a boat: https://imgur.com/a/b7rn9O1
[12:21] <xnox> Laney:  jibel: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/385566 https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/385607 https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/385614 I'd appreciate for your input on which way ubiquity should be managed going forward. I think over focal/groovy cycles you are the top two committers, so the new style workflow
[12:21] <xnox> should be easy for you two. Whichever one we pick.
[12:24] <Laney> ok I will try building it and see how it goes
[12:24] <Laney> (subtrees if possible)
[12:44] <oSoMoN> seb128, I filed a bug for the blobandconquer ppc64el FTBFS, and attached a debdiff to it: bug #1883522
[12:54] <xnox> oSoMoN:  if this is -O3 vs -O2 triggered failure, normally, we simply change DEB_CFLAGS_APPEND_MAINT=-O2
[12:54] <xnox> in debian/rules
[12:54] <xnox> rather than patching the build system.
[12:55] <oSoMoN> xnox, that would result in building the entire project with -O2, whereas in that case the build only chokes on one specific file
[12:55] <xnox> oSoMoN:  like this:
[12:55] <xnox> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=1;bug=942609;filename=pspp_1.2.0-3ubuntu1.debdiff;msg=5
[12:55] <xnox> oSoMoN:  true.
[12:55] <xnox> oSoMoN:  i also wonder if we should notify IBM about that specific file, thing, too. For them to fix toolchain there.
[12:56] <oSoMoN> xnox, happy to do that if you have a contact there who cares
[12:57] <xnox> normally i open a fresh bug, and ask fjh to reverse proxy it
[13:00] <xnox> oSoMoN:  i had to run "update-maintainer" on that package, such that Maintainer fields in debian/control are correct
[13:00] <xnox> (this was also missing fromt he ubuntu1 upload)
[13:07] <oSoMoN> right, I forgot that
[13:07] <oSoMoN> thanks for sponsoring!
[13:16] <xnox> opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-power-systems/+bug/1883531
[13:16] <xnox> and will ask to proxy that back to IBM
[13:16] <seb128> oSoMoN, xnox, thx
[14:04] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:09] <Laney> yo hellsworth
[14:11] <hellsworth> hey Laney
[14:18] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:18] <hellsworth> hi there oSoMoN
[14:23] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I re-ran the libreoffice groovy/armhf autopkgtests that failed, it's currently running (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-libreoffice), fingers crossed it passes and migrates
[14:24] <hellsworth> ok thanks. i'm looking at the update_excuses now. there are more tests that i think need running (because they say regression and not test running)
[14:24] <hellsworth> i'm putting together a lsit now
[14:24] <hellsworth> also, oSoMoN thank you so so much for responding to Steve Langasek on the sru
[14:24] <hellsworth> i had no idea how to answer him..
[14:27] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, you're welcome, I'm not really sure why he picked on that one, there's nothing new in SRUing libreoffice minor updates… anyway it would be good if you could look into that API/ABI stability question
[14:27] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: would you mind please rerunning these autopkgtests too? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nCbT8R5RW9/
[14:28] <hellsworth> those were the remaining failed tests in update_excuses
[14:28] <hellsworth> and yes i'll take a look at the API/ABI stability and also respond about the importance of #1869561
[14:33] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, looking
[14:34] <hellsworth> thanks
[14:38] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, all re-triggered, except for the last one which was already running
[14:38] <hellsworth> ah ok thanks
[14:39] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: do you have any suggestion on how to go about the API stability test research? there aren't many tests in core/test or testtools.. i went and introduced myself to #libreoffice-qa and asked for a pointer and waiting on a reply..
[14:40] <hellsworth> of course as soon as i say this, i find a bulk of tests in uitests
[14:41] <oSoMoN> I guess that's your best bet, if you can't find anything related at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA
[14:41] <hellsworth> ok thanks :)
[14:42] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, also, rico_tz may be familiar with the LO tests
[14:42] <hellsworth> i'll poke around the wiki link a bit but hope someone responds in irc
[14:43] <hellsworth> great suggestion!! ricotz I'm looking for LO tests around API/ABI stability.. are you familiar with the tests enough to point to where these would be?
[15:15] <ricotz> hellsworth, such things are scattered in the source tree, e.g. located in "*/qa/*" subfolders
[15:17] <hellsworth> right.. i didn't see anything obvious in qa/ so i went and asked in the lo irc channels and was pointed to ./solenv/gbuild/UnoApiTarget.mk that tests ./offapi/type_reference/offapi.idl
[15:18] <hellsworth> it's those buildtime tests that are not in qa/ and not obvious
[15:23] <hellsworth> thank you oSoMoN, ricotz :)


 Err, I mean, APT!
[13:28] <EriC^^> :)
[14:12] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw, EriC^^, ducasse
[14:19] <pauljw> :)
[14:24] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[14:24] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[14:29] <pauljw> hey EriC^^
[14:30] <BluesKaj> anyone notice some users are having problems with installing ubuntu on W10 machines
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> as opposed to W8 - 8.1...W7 poses no problems whatsoever IME
[14:46] <OerHeks> tablets yes
[14:46] <OerHeks> or they have used bitlocker, or raid
[19:25] <daftykins> http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon AMD Zen event in 95 mins :)
[19:55] <OerHeks> pretty nasty apt update https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3156-1/
[19:56] <nicomachus> ah, just got that update.
[20:04] <nicomachus> gotta love when trolls call ops on themselves...
[20:06] <Bashing-om> what some people ^ will do to get attention :)
[20:09] <OerHeks> lonely people ♫
[20:09] <daftykins> XD
[20:10] <daftykins> hey folks how are we all doing?
[20:11] <OerHeks> could do €50 better, but oke
[20:12] <daftykins> wewp wewp waiting for this AMD event
[20:13] <OerHeks> marketing jibba jabba
[20:13] <daftykins> well it will be full of that of course, but they should finally give an indication of whether they've managed to catch up or surpass intel chips at long last - and for what kind of cost
[20:14] <daftykins> that'll be very useful to know for the new year
[21:07] <GrandPa-G> Might be off topic, but I am being asked to manage rack mount ubuntu machine and am looking for articles/comments on how to best remotely manage it (web, mysql...)
[21:07] <GrandPa-G> I will have ssh and possibly rdp (though don't want to use it), so I am looking for ideas on how to know when down, update apps, blah blah
[21:08] <daftykins> look into ubuntu landscape
[21:08] <daftykins> don't go putting GUIs on servers if you can genuinely help it
[21:13] <GrandPa-G> If I could do it again, I wouldn't but I tried to get lightest.  I try again !
[22:24] <Bashing-om> !info linux-generic-lts-xenial
[22:24] <ubot5`> linux-generic-lts-xenial (source: linux-meta): Complete Generic Linux kernel and headers (dummy transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.56 (xenial), package size 1 kB, installed size 12 kB