[16:50] <bkerensa> Good Morning
[19:03] <urlin2u> thefinn93, you on?
[19:05] <thefinn93> YEP
[19:05] <thefinn93> wow
[19:05] <thefinn93> caps
[19:05] <thefinn93> what
[19:05] <thefinn93> what's up
[19:05] <urlin2u> anyway  found that the FF addon user agent switcher, when you choose a IE agent gets past that wrong browser using FF 7 at fafsa
[19:06] <urlin2u> works perfectly
[19:06] <urlin2u> I used IE8
[19:06] <thefinn93> yeah
[19:06] <thefinn93> that sort of thing ususally works
[19:06] <thefinn93> that's a handy addon
[19:07] <thefinn93> i was really objecting to the blocking of linux
[19:07] <thefinn93> you have to pretend to be windows just to be allowed to fill out the FAFSA
[19:08] <urlin2u> I know it's so discriminatory, let our people live. :D
[19:09] <thefinn93> :D
[19:09] <urlin2u> old programs not caught up is my guess, maybe its the IQ IE conundrum
[19:11] <urlin2u> I found out that I have maxed out the extra loans, so I'm scrambling for a new source, still have pell though, and probably the oregon opportunity grants
[19:13] <bkerensa> =o
[19:14] <urlin2u> looks like about 300$ for books maybe more, I have taken classes up to now that I new the professors had a low cost in that area and provided the reading
[19:15] <bkerensa> I had a friend that just asked to make copies of friends books
[19:15] <bkerensa> saved over $200
[19:15] <bkerensa> :D
[19:15] <urlin2u> we get 500 copies per semester free, I will be using it this time
[19:16] <urlin2u> usually a copy of the book is in the library
[19:21] <urlin2u> no big deal though compared to a large percentage of the world  I have a pretty easy life in spite of being in a below or at the poverty line in the US
[19:25] <shantorn> hello all
[19:27] <bkerensa> hi shantorn
[19:30] <shantorn> whats new my friend
[19:46] <AndroUser> wa
[19:46] <AndroUser> hi thefinn93
[19:47] <thefinn93> hi AndroUser
[19:47] <AndroUser> ideapad
[19:49] <thefinn93> ah
[22:01] <thefinn93> Meeting agenda is up
[22:01] <thefinn93> http://j.mp/njHtzb
[22:01] <thefinn93> feel free to add your own
[22:02] <thefinn93> if you have anything please add it ASAP so it can be planned for
[23:18] <loltesting> hello
[23:18] <thefinn93> hello
[23:19] <thefinn93> gee, i wonder who that is
[23:19] <loltesting> i have no idea
[23:19] <loltesting> who i m
[23:19] <thefinn93> okk
[23:19] <thefinn93> that works
[23:19] <thefinn93> anyway..
[23:19] <thefinn93> brb
[23:20] <urlin2u> loltesting, what is the closest planet to the sun?
[23:20] <loltesting> um
[23:20] <loltesting> mars?
[23:21] <loltesting> this emulated android keyboard is hard to type on
[23:21] <urlin2u> bot


[00:28] <saint_> Raidsong, ping
[00:29] <Raidsong> hi saint_
[00:29] <saint_> hey isnt whube channel #whube?
[00:32] <guest_saint> Raidsong, ping
[00:32] <Raidsong> hello guest_saint
[00:32] <guest_saint> Raidsong, wats whube channel name?
[00:33] <Raidsong> guest_saint, #whube
[00:35] <Bodsda> Raidsong: know much about links?
[00:35] <Raidsong> Bodsda, a bit
[00:36] <Bodsda> Raidsong: I'm confused about hard vs soft links - which one do I need if I want to make a chnage to the link to actually happen to the destination file?
[00:37] <Raidsong> Bodsda, i think you need a hard link
[00:38] <Bodsda> Raidsong: sweet cheers - just found a good explanation on linux forums as well :)
[05:18] <electrickery> I am new to IRC, so don't if this will work.. I am using Jaunty, and Firefox.  I have tried to install Flash.  It appears in the AddOn list ok.  But Australian ABC iView doesn't play.  Does anyone know about this?
[05:22] <ddecator> electrickery: 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu?
[05:30] <Ukebuntu> greets, gurus!
[05:31] <ddecator> hey Ukebuntu
[05:31] <Ukebuntu> I'm an IT guy pretty fluent in Mac and PC, and I'm on my first taste of Linux
[05:31] <Ukebuntu> I have a bunch of quick questions
[05:31] <ddecator> welcome =)
[05:31] <ddecator> what are they?
[05:31] <Ukebuntu> thanks
[05:31] <Ukebuntu> most of them are, "well....what do you guys call it?"
[05:32] <Ukebuntu> I'm on Jaunty Jackelope (because the Koala ISO is larger than a CD....*grumble, grumble*)
[05:33] <ddecator> karmic is? it shouldn't be
[05:33] <Ukebuntu> it's 705
[05:33] <Ukebuntu> either way....
[05:34] <Ukebuntu> I've gotten my wireless to work (although I'm not too pleased by the process because I stumbled my way through by restarting a bunch of times)j
[05:34] <Ukebuntu> what is 'device manager'?
[05:35] <Ukebuntu> I had to 'activate' my wireless card, how can I check if there are other pieces of hardware that need this done?
[05:36] <ddecator> Ukebuntu: the .iso is 690MB for me. the "activation" was most likely the proprietary driver. you can find other drivers by going to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[05:36] <Ukebuntu> Is there an idiot proof overall 'update', that I can get Koala through, now that I have Jaunty installed
[05:37] <ddecator> yes, the Update Manager should tell you that Karmic is available and allow you to update
[05:37] <Ukebuntu> where can I find Update Manager?
[05:38] <ddecator> it runs routinely on its own, but you can start it by going to System > Administration > Update Manager
[05:38] <Ukebuntu> Hardware Drivers only has my broadcom wireless listed
[05:38] <Ukebuntu> is there a way to see everything?
[05:38] <ddecator> then you should be all set with drivers =)
[05:39] <ddecator> see everything as in...?
[05:40] <Ukebuntu> all my installed hardware
[05:41] <ddecator> if you open a terminal and run 'lspci' it will list your hardware
[05:41] <Ukebuntu> haha
[05:41] <Ukebuntu> beat me to it
[05:41] <pedro3005> maybe sudo lshw
[05:41] <Ukebuntu> I know how to get around a bit in unix
[05:41] <Ukebuntu> I imagined that linux would have a fat icon on the desktop for term
[05:42] <ddecator> afaik, there isn't a graphical way to list all of your hardware in one place, but some of it is listed in various places
[05:42] <pedro3005> probably is, just not by default
[05:43] <ddecator> true
[05:44] <Ukebuntu> ok.....I've got plenty to look around in now that I have a terminal, mind if we go to "peeves"?
[05:45] <Ukebuntu> why aren't the apple keys working, even though I picked "apple laptop"?
[05:45] <Ukebuntu> vol works
[05:45] <Ukebuntu> numlock works
[05:45] <ddecator> you mean the super key?
[05:46] <Ukebuntu> how about brightness and eject?
[05:46] <Ukebuntu> Function keys
[05:46] <Ukebuntu> aha, question answered....F12 is 'right click'
[05:47] <Ukebuntu> not terribly convenient, but I'll go with it for now...
[05:48] <Ukebuntu> how about my other F keys?
[05:48] <Ukebuntu> and eject for that matter
[05:49] <ddecator> hm, my function keys have worked for me, but i'm not on a mac. not sure about eject
[05:50] <Ukebuntu> unfortunately, a bunch of my questions are PB G4 specific
[05:50] <Ukebuntu> I can eject it by opening the whatever music player...
[05:51] <ddecator> rhythmbox?
[05:51] <Ukebuntu> well, whatever
[05:51] <Ukebuntu> I can eject it through progs
[05:52] <Ukebuntu> is there a way to do it through the 'eject key' that apples have?
[05:52] <Ukebuntu> or even the 'drag to trash' option?
[05:54] <Ukebuntu> this wouldn't be a big deal if I had a physical button...
[05:57] <electrickery> ddecator: Don't reckon.. Acer Aspire 3000 AMD Sempron 2800  I'll try to find out.
[05:58] <Ukebuntu> I'm running the update manager now, but, ddecator, I am much obliged, friend
[05:58] <Ukebuntu> thank you for your help and patience
[05:58] <ddecator> Ukebuntu: no problem =)
[05:58] <Ukebuntu> I'm assuming that these updates will have me restart again....
[05:58] <ddecator> sorry i'm not more familiar with mac-specific functionality
[05:59] <ddecator> Ukebuntu: i would imagine
[05:59] <ddecator> there should be a new kernel with the update
[05:59] <Ukebuntu> well, to be honest, after a while, I will make this powerbook a Mac again
[06:00] <Ukebuntu> it just so happens to be a 'free laptop' at the moment, so I figured I'd mess with linux
[06:00] <ddecator> since you're a mac user, you may find ubuntu lucid to be more familiar
[06:01] <Ukebuntu> that's the next one coming out?
[06:01] <ddecator> it's due to be released on the 29th
[06:01] <Ukebuntu> whoa
[06:01] <Ukebuntu> just noticed....
[06:02] <Ukebuntu> these powerbooks run very hot when running OSX
[06:02] <Ukebuntu> it is VERY hot now
[06:02] <Ukebuntu> got a temp mon prog?
[06:03] <znxtch> I find my macbook runs cooler when I use Ubuntu.
[06:03] <znxtch> OS X its on FIRE!
[06:03] <ddecator> install 'lm-sensors' and you can read the temperature various ways. conky is a popular tool for getting a lot of info about the system, including temp
[06:04] <ddecator> conky isn't installed by default
[06:04] <Ukebuntu> so....
[06:04] <Ukebuntu> what's my next step, deca?
[06:04] <znxtch> stick a thermometer into your usb drive
[06:05] <znxtch> thats how I do it
[06:05] <znxtch> oldschool
[06:05] <ddecator> since you don't have the software center, you can run 'sudo apt-get install lm-sensors conky'
[06:05] <Ukebuntu> I already ate all of the mercury from my thermometers
[06:05] <Ukebuntu> X)
[06:05] <electrickery> ddecator: The Users Guide doesn't mention 64bit.  Can Jaunty tell me? System Monitor doesn't, as far as I can see.
[06:07] <Ukebuntu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:07] <Ukebuntu> I suppose the update manager won't let me run that command, deca
[06:07] <ddecator> Ukebuntu: oh, right, that needs to finish first
[06:08] <ddecator> electrickery: one sec, i'm trying to think of the best way to figure out which you are using..
[06:09] <Ukebuntu> I'm eventually going to have to restart anyway, deca, so I'm going to go out to catch a smoke
[06:09] <geirha> electrickery: in a terminal:  file /bin/bash
[06:10] <Ukebuntu> I really appreciate the help,
[06:10] <Ukebuntu> I hope to see you when I eventually get back!
[06:10] <Ukebuntu> X)
[06:11] <ddecator> electrickery: or type 'uname -m' in a terminal and tell us the output
[06:11] <electrickery> /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
[06:12] <geirha> electrickery: You have 32-bit ubuntu installed
[06:12] <ddecator> alright, 32-bit it is =)
[06:12] <ddecator> electrickery: what was the issue you were having again?
[06:13] <electrickery> I have tried to install Flash for Firefox  It seems to install, Firefos has it in its Add On list, but this site won't work http://www.abc.net.au/iview/ and it is a favourite.
[06:16] <ddecator> heh, i can't view it because it's australia only...can you get to the page where the program should play?
[06:17] <shahan> hi everyone
[06:17] <shahan> need help to install a game
[06:17] <shahan> Sauerbraten
[06:18] <electrickery> Hmmm, I didn't realise it was restricted.  That site opens a flash (I suppose) menu that offers ABC tv programs to view.
[06:18] <ddecator> electrickery: how did you install flash?
[06:18] <electrickery> I get to it by clicking on iView at this link http://www.abc.net.au/
[06:18] <ddecator> shahan: what kind of game is that?
[06:18] <shahan> any one here who can help me to install the game
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: hmm
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: sauerbraten_2009_05_04_trooper_edition_linux.tar_2.bz2
[06:19] <electrickery> I installed flash through Synaptic Package Manager.
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: I have kept the game on my desktop now
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: its ubuntu 9.10
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: desktop edition 32 bit
[06:19] <ddecator> electrickery: does the site load for you alright after you click iView?
[06:20] <ddecator> shahan: looks like it's in the repos
[06:20] <shahan> ddecator: I dont know
[06:20] <ddecator> shahan: shows up for me =)
[06:20] <shahan> ddecator: I have downloaded the game from the site
[06:20] <shahan> ddecator: its 344 MB
[06:21] <shahan> ddecator: ok
[06:21] <electrickery> No.. that is what I think the problem is.  The link needs Flash to run, and although it seems to be installed, the flash menu doesn't work.
[06:21] <ddecator> electrickery: hm, it's loading for me...are you using firefox?
[06:22] <ddecator> shahan: if you don't mind downloading it again, you can install it from the repos, which will be easiest. otherwise you can extract the tar.bz2 source and look for a shell script in there that runs it
[06:22] <ddecator> electrickery: ha, just noticed you already said that. what version of firefox are you using?
[06:22] <shahan> ddecator: :( again download is imposible.. my speed is too poor
[06:22] <shahan> ddecator: I have to install it now using this downloaded file
[06:23] <ddecator> shahan: ok, well right click and select 'Extract here'
[06:23] <electrickery> Yes, v 3.0.19.  I know most web pages use flash, but is there a specific test I can do?
[06:23] <ddecator> electrickery: if you go to youtube, do videos play fine?
[06:23] <shahan> ddecator:  I want a solution to install it ...
[06:24] <shahan> dd ddecator :(
[06:24] <ddecator> shahan: well there are various ways of working that out. there may be a .deb in there. if not, there may be a shell script that we can create a launcher for
[06:25] <shahan> ddecator: I have extracted the folder
[06:25] <ddecator> shahan: is there a .deb by chance?
[06:26] <shahan> ddeddno
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: no
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: folder list is
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: bin_unix
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: data
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: docs
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: packages
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: src
[06:26] <ddecator> shahan: pastein please =)
[06:27] <ddecator> pastebin*
[06:29] <shahan> ddecator: ok
[06:33] <znxtch> whoa 10.04 takes 2 hrs just to install the updates
[06:33] <znxtch> i was like "allright the download is finished"
[06:34] <znxtch> begin install
[06:34] <znxtch> "time remaing two hours!"
[06:34] <znxtch> awww!
[06:34] <ddecator> to upgrade from karmic, or just to install some updates?
[06:34] <znxtch> upgrade from karmic
[06:34] <ddecator> heh, yah, a LOT needs to be upgraded
[06:34] <electrickery> ddecator: Well YouTube is sort of working.  I'll have to look into it.  I might have to leave this chat and return later.
[06:34] <znxtch> I was going to tinker with it before going to work.  Looks like I'll have to wait.
[06:35] <ddecator> electrickery: that's fine. if you get a chance, can you let me know what you mean by "soft of working"?
[06:35] <ddecator> znxtch: probably good. if it finished in time, you'd call sick into work ;)
[06:36] <ddecator> s/soft/sort
[06:38] <znxtch> there is no sick where i work.
[06:38] <znxtch> lol
[06:38] <znxtch> is anyone in here a fan of mike patton by chance?
[06:38] <ddecator> ...maybe if i knew who he is
[06:38] <znxtch> disregard then
[06:39] <ddecator> heh, alright
[06:39] <electrickery> ddecator: I went to YouTube, clicked on Miley Cyrus "Pole Dancing".  Firefox said it needed a plugin.  It installed something like gstreamer-bad.  Then the video played, with sound.  But when I tried another video, it was not loading.. bit of sound with a static picture.  Another video had a black screen.  So strange.  I have a good broadband connection usually, so that's all I can say just now, I think.
[06:40] <znxtch> miley cyrus "pole dancing"
[06:40] <znxtch> haha
[06:40] <znxtch> nice
[06:41] <ddecator> electrickery: hm, i guess it still needed gstreamer for the audio. what brand of graphics card do you have?
[06:41] <electrickery> It was worth a try.
[06:43] <electrickery> Err, whatever came with the Acer aspire.. "SiS M760GX"??
[06:45] <ddecator> electrickery: if you run 'lspci' in a terminal, what shows up next to "VGA compatible controller"? (just the brand...nvidia, intel, etc.)
[06:45] <electrickery> The Eclipse trailer seems to be working.
[06:46] <electrickery> Silicon Integrated Systems
[06:47] <ddecator> o.o
[06:48] <ddecator> idk if that uses a proprietary driver or not...
[06:48] <ddecator> electrickery: if you go to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers, does anything show up that you need to activate for your graphics?
[06:50] <electrickery> Only one entry there, the broadcom wireless, which is activated and working.  YouTube is playing movie trailers ok now.
[06:51] <ddecator> hm, ok, so you should have the driver you need
[06:51] <ddecator> i wonder if it's due to the versions of firefox and flash you have..
[06:53] <electrickery> Maybe if I uninstall Flash then see if FFox finds the right version when I visit YouTube?
[06:55] <ddecator> i think the adobe site has a deb of the latest stable build, you can try that if you want. not sure if it will work or not
[06:56] <electrickery> OK, I'll see.  Looks like I have a bit more work to do.  I'll be back later.
[06:56] <ddecator> electrickery: sure thing
[06:57] <geirha> html5 can't come too soon
[06:58] <ddecator> i don't mind flash if adobe can get it working properly on linux
[06:59] <geirha> They've been failing quite a few years now
[09:05] <mitul> Hello.I need some help
[09:05] <mitul> anybody there?
[09:05] <ddecator> whatcha need?
[09:05] <mitul> I got ubuntu 9.10 installed as well as windows
[09:05] <mitul> I want to access ubuntu ext4 partitions from windows..
[09:05] <mitul> I cannot read from explore2fs
[09:06] <ddecator> hm, i'm not sure off-hand what needs to be done for windows to recognize and play nice with ext4..
[09:06] <ddecator> one sec
[09:11] <ddecator> mitul: unfortunately, i'm not finding any tools capable of allowing windows to read ext4 partitions. there seem to be a few that cover the basics of ext3, but the last one with decent compatibility was ext2 =\
[09:14] <mitul> I got one..
[09:14] <mitul> http://www.diskinternals.com/download/Linux_Recovery.exe
[09:14] <mitul> Thanks for the help..
[09:14] <ddecator> mitul: no problem, good luck =)
[09:44] <ibuclaw> oldpeculiar, O|:
[09:44] <ibuclaw> btw, if anyone here uses the xorg-edgers repo, do NOT upgrade your system to the new git packages that have just entered it.
[09:47] <hobgoblin> broken a bit is it then ibuclaw
[09:50] <ibuclaw> hobgoblin, just a tad
[09:51] <hobgoblin> mine was a bit broken this morning for some reason - though there only appeared to be a console-setup upgrade though - that said it did boot properly afterwards
[10:00] <oldpeculiar> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+index?start=75&batch=75
[10:01] <oldpeculiar> package updates beyond 22/04/2010
[10:01] <oldpeculiar> +git20100422.3de065d6-0ubuntu0sarvatt2
[16:40] <nhandler> PERL!!!
[16:40] <Votebot> PERL!!!
[17:28] <shahan> hello everybody
[17:29] <shahan> another problem
[17:29] <shahan> double kernal installed on my PC
[17:30] <shahan> 6.3.31-20 the latest one
[17:30] <shahan> with 6.3.31-14
[17:30] <shahan> the older one installed with my setup of ubuntu 9.10
[17:31] <shahan> but the new one installed when I updated the whole ubuntu (about a 250MB update)
[17:31] <shahan> now... when the PC starts both the kernel is shown in Grub list
[17:31] <shahan> I want to remove the older one from the GRUB list
[17:31] <shahan> how to do it
[17:31] <shahan> please help me
[17:42] <shahan> any body here who can help me about my problem?
[17:47] <geirha> I'm sure you mean 2.6.31-14 and 2.6.31-20
[17:47] <geirha> System -> Administration -> Synaptic    search for 2.6.31-14  and remove the linux-image and linux-headers packages that contain that version number.
[17:48] <shahan> geirha: yes you right
[17:49] <shahan> geirha: If I remove it will it make any problem?
[17:50] <geirha> No, I do that from time to time, though I usually keep the last two kernels around. In case the newest introduces some bug, I can switch to the previous.
[17:50] <shahan> geirha: hmm
[17:50] <shahan> geirha: please tell me the procedure again easily
[17:50] <shahan> geirha: I am not an advanced user....
[17:51] <shahan> geirha: :(
[17:51] <geirha> Have you opened up Synaptic and searched for 2.6.31-14?
[17:51] <shahan> geirha: yes
[17:52] <geirha> Ok, and then there are several hits, of which some are installed (likely three of them)
[17:52] <geirha> Marked with a green square as opposed to white square in the theme I'm using.
[17:53] <shahan> geirha: only one green square
[17:53] <geirha> Ah ok, only the linux-image then? I also have linux-headers installed.
[17:54] <shahan> geirha: which is "linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic"
[17:54] <geirha> Right, so click that and choose mark for removal
[17:54] <shahan> geirha: removal or complete removal?
[17:55] <geirha> Just removal is fine. complete removal will also remove the config-files, but in the case of the kernel packages, there are no config files.
[17:56] <geirha> And then you click the Apply button at the toolbar at the top
[17:58] <shahan> geirha: will it remove from my Grub list(which is shown at startup of PC)?
[17:58] <starcraftman> ah ha, question while I was eating, thanks for responding geirha.
[17:59] <shahan> starcraftman: will it remove from my Grub List?
[17:59] <geirha> shahan: Yes, when a kernel is removed, it updates the list
[17:59] <starcraftman> shahan: yes it will, long as your removing the image and header files.
[18:00] <shahan> ok....
[18:00] <shahan> let me restart the PC
[18:00] <shahan> will be back soon
[18:01] <starcraftman> geirha: new helper to the team?
[18:02] <geirha> starcraftman: No, I just hang around :)
[18:03] <shahan> geirha: tnx
[18:03] <shahan> geirha: now its look smart
[18:03] <shahan> geirha: where r u from?
[18:04] <geirha> shahan: Norway. You?
[18:04] <starcraftman> geirha: ah, alright, well all welcome. I'm just an old guy getting back to activity.
[18:05] <shahan> geirha: BANGLADESH
[18:25] <shahan> ok.. Good night everybody
[18:25] <shahan> its 11 25 PM
[18:25] <shahan> bye
[18:40] <hobgoblin> evening
[23:30] <frank1_> anyone know a good program to fetch all the album art for my 300gb collection?
[23:30] <frank1_> rhythmbox doesent seem to wanna work
[23:36] <Bodsda> frank1_: I used exaile for a while, which I think gathered album art quite well
[23:37] <frank1_> ok ill look into that. kinda annoying to have 80gb of music on my ipod and have no album art
[23:37] <Bodsda> frank1_: youll probably have to compile it though as the ones in the repo's (9.04 i think) dont work
[23:37] <frank1_> rhythmbox syncs quite well but wont fetch my friggin art
[23:38] <Bodsda> heh
[23:38] <frank1_> using 9.10
[23:42] <geirha> Which way does it fail? When copying to the ipod, or from the ipod?
[23:47] <frank1_> it copies fine
[23:47] <frank1_> it just does not allow me to search for album art
[23:48] <frank1_> the option is selected but the link is grayed out


[07:32] <FourDollars> cyphermox: Could you help to update http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-proposed/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-base/+bug/1456443 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1502772?
[07:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1456443 in debian-installer "Skip eMMC device's boot0, boot1 and rpmb partitions" [Undecided,New]
[07:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1502772 in debian-installer "Linux kernel in Ubuntu doesn't provide mmc-modules udeb." [Medium,New]
[12:24] <cyphermox> FourDollars: ok, I'll look
[12:44] <Peanut> rickardve2: thanks for your feedback, it's hard for me to tell whether I've got the same issue.
[12:45] <Peanut> rickardve2: the preseed.cfg/default is in the link I shared.
[14:17] <CarlFK> Peanut: preseed.cfg <-
[14:18] <CarlFK> "pxelinux.cfg/default and menu text"  no preseed.cfg
[14:19] <CarlFK> http://install/Wily-15.10-amd64/preseed.cfg
[14:21] <Peanut> CarlFK: ok, let me look.
[14:22] <Peanut> Oh, that preseed.cfg - sorry, but it never even loads the kernel.
[14:23] <Peanut> But I've added it to the directory on the webserver.
[14:28] <CarlFK> Peanut: sorry I cant help with your real problem, just resolving rickardve2's request
[14:29] <CarlFK> I can say you might like a tip: replace url=http://install/Wily-15.10-amd64/preseed.cfg  with
[14:29] <Peanut> Sure, no problem in showing it after a quick strip. It just does the bare essentials we need to get Ansible to run.
[14:29] <CarlFK> url=install
[14:29] <CarlFK> and then look at your server log to see what file it is trying to load
[14:29] <CarlFK> and put your preseed there.
[14:30] <Peanut> Well, I have different preseeds depending on OS and what the server needs to become.
[14:31] <CarlFK> I have another tip: less pushback


[04:34] <Noskcaj> Laney, Could you please update the gnome-keyring in the gpg ppa to lp:~noskcaj/gnome-keyring/merge
[04:36] <Noskcaj> I've merged debian's new release in, which properly removes the old .desktop file
[04:50] <pitti> Good morning
[04:52] <Noskcaj> good afternoon pitti
[04:53] <pitti> hey Noskcaj, how are you?
[04:54] <Noskcaj> pretty good. you?
[04:55] <pitti> very well, thanks!
[07:41] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:41] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! as-tu eu un bon week-end ?
[07:42] <seb128> hey pitti
[07:42] <seb128> très bon ! et toi ?
[07:42] <seb128> nous avons été à la plage hier
[07:43] <pitti> seb128: bien aussi ! un ami nous a visité
[07:43] <pitti> seb128: nous ici samedi, la seule façon de survivre :)
[07:44] <seb128> ici ?
[07:44] <pitti> seb128: err, "aussi"
[07:45] <seb128> pitti, vous avez des plages prêt de chez vous ?
[07:46] <pitti> seb128: pas une vraie plage, mais un lac
[07:46] <seb128> ah ok, c'est un peu pareil :-)
[07:46] <pitti> ce qui est important -- il y a de l'eau froide :)
[07:46] <seb128> oui ;-)
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: we also played some mini-golf and table tennis
[07:48] <seb128> nice
[07:48] <seb128> here we also visited a museum yesterday afternoon when it started raining
[07:49] <seb128> weather is cooler since it rained, which is a good thing
[07:49] <seb128> couldn't sleep well when it was so hot
[07:49] <pitti> yeah, tropic nights are a nuisance
[07:50] <pitti> ici nous avons de la pluie ce matin, qui a aidé un peu
[07:52]  * pitti is still confused about the news about the greek plebiscite yesterday -- I have little idea what that actually means
[07:53] <pitti> "do you agree to a nonexistent reform proposal?"
[07:55] <willcooke> morning
[07:55] <larsu> morning people
[07:56] <pitti> hey willcooke, hallo larsu
[07:56] <larsu> any bzr experts here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11829778/
[07:57] <pitti> larsu: bzr upgrade
[07:57] <larsu> pitti: thank you sir :)
[07:57] <pitti> larsu: apparently the branch you were pulling from got checked out many many years ago?
[07:57] <larsu> that error message could include that little titbit ;)
[07:58] <pitti> larsu: FWIW, it's ti*d*bit :)
[07:58] <larsu> pitti: no, it was from a previous branch I did a couple of weeks ago
[07:58] <larsu> pitti: ugh indeed. sorry. *slightlyembarassed*
[08:02] <pitti> larsu: you can also upgrade the remote branch with bzr upgrade lp:..., in case that's the outdated one
[08:03] <seb128> hey willcooke larsu
[08:04] <Laney> yo yo
[08:04] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:04] <seb128> pitti, yeah, unsure where Greece is going...
[08:04] <Laney> hey pitti & seb128
[08:04] <larsu> morning Laney and seb128!
[08:04] <Laney> what's up?
[08:05] <Laney> hi larsu!
[08:05] <pitti> Laney: global meltdown apparently
[08:10] <Laney> oh yes
[08:10]  * Laney observes this maybe differently from a non euro location
[08:11] <pitti> apparently the US also had quite some heat recently, but supposedly not our friends on the southern hemisphere :)
[08:12] <pitti> Laney: oh, you meant the financial/greek meltdown .. that too :0
[08:12] <Laney> you mean a *real* meltdown?
[08:13]  * larsu definitelt melted down over the weekend
[08:13] <Laney> was warm but not hot here :)
[08:13] <larsu> *definitely
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: it has been crushingly hot the last two weeks
[08:13] <Laney> probably like 22-25
[08:13] <pitti> comfy!
[08:13] <Laney> and a huuuuuuuge storm (by uk standards) on friday night which passed right overhead
[08:14]  * Laney wonders if chrisccoulson had that too
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> We did!
[08:14] <Laney> \o/
[08:15]  * Noskcaj is enjoying winter
[08:16] <darkxst> Noskcaj, our winter is broken! way too warm here
[08:17] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I'm in cairns ATM, so it's expected. It's still below zero back in armidale
[08:17] <Noskcaj> What's the temp in Melbourne?
[08:17] <darkxst> its been 15-20 most days
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> Laney, one of my old school friends posted a picture of their neighbours house the morning after the storm
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> (it got struck by lightning)
[08:18] <darkxst> Im in Woodend though, and 15 in winter is just not normal
[08:21] <Laney> chrisccoulson: oh... was it damaged?
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> Laney, it didn't look bad. It looks like it attached to the lead flashing around the chimney breast and then left a scorch mark down the side of the house
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> chimeny even, because it was on the outside
[08:28] <Laney> ah, could be worse
[09:20] <seb128> larsu, does https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/humanity/all-sizes-for-draw-accept/+merge/263865 fixes the issue for you? it doesn't for me :-/
[09:24] <larsu> seb128: oh? Running it now and it works perfectly. There's a bit of link renaming and file moving in there - maybe it got messed up in the process?
[09:24] <larsu> seb128: did you restart nautilus?
[09:25] <seb128> larsu, shrug, ignore me
[09:25] <seb128> I'm not awake yet
[09:25] <larsu> seb128: never! :)
[09:25] <larsu> (ignore you, I mean)
[09:25] <seb128> I applied the diff locally, of course that doesn't carry renames and symlinks over...
[09:25] <larsu> ah!
[09:25] <larsu> ya, that's the actual interesting change :)
[09:25] <seb128> yeah, and I read the mps and saw that
[09:26] <seb128> I just didn't want to build the package and didn't think that patch wouldn't do enough :p
[09:26] <larsu> ah, got it :) no worries!
[09:26] <larsu> I started scalable directories and started looking into moving lots of stuff over there
[09:26] <seb128> larsu, are they other humanity changes coming or should I land that one?
[09:27] <larsu> seb128: not yet, please. One more at least coming
[09:27] <seb128> ok, no hurry, thanks
[09:27] <larsu> actually let me finish that right now as I already know what the issue is
[09:27]  * larsu makes tea first though
[09:28] <larsu> seb128: if you know of more issues in the icon theme, now is the time (I'm working on the gedit icon size issue now)
[09:29] <seb128> larsu, let me have a look, but I don't have any in mind atm
[11:43] <seb128> yeah, today's snappy personal image boots to a working unity8 session!
[11:43] <seb128> willcooke, Laney ^
[11:44] <Laney> nice
[11:44] <Laney> what was the last bit?
[11:46] <seb128> Laney, do you have a specific issue in mind?
[11:46] <willcooke> seb128, wooo!  Great work!
[11:46] <seb128> vt switching is not working correctly under Xorg, but I enabled autologin, which workarounds it
[11:46] <seb128> also robert_ancell suggested we should enable u-s-c as system compositor
[11:47] <seb128> which also wouldn't have that issue
[11:47] <seb128> I'm going to look at that next
[11:47] <seb128> also unity8 desktop lock regressed, that got fixed in friday's landing
[13:39] <seb128> dobey, hey, you said you would merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtk-has-icon/+merge/261867 and is that still on your list?
[13:39] <seb128> I uploaded to vivid/wily but having them in the vcs as well would be nice
[13:43] <dobey> seb128: yes. just been having my plate overflowing with hard problems the past couple weeks for the ota-5 deadlines
[13:43] <dobey> seb128: so, "soon" :)
[13:44] <seb128> dobey, no worry, just checking it was not forgot, thanks
[14:43] <mitya57> Hey, does anybody know whom I can contact for sni-qt merge proposals?
[14:45] <mitya57> (Or alternative question: is Renato Filho on IRC?)
[14:51] <larsu> mitya57: ya, renatu in #ubuntu-touch
[14:54] <mitya57> thanks larsu!
[15:31] <larsu> Laney: do you know of other apps that have the problem from bug #1463390 ?
[15:31] <larsu> turns out, this is due to gtk commit https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=f3ef3165df34ab509a7165165360680bf30dd0cb
[15:31] <larsu> which breaks for stock icons (which shouldn't be used anymore)
[15:32] <larsu> I guess we could fix gtk, but all that code is in some deprecated/ directories now
[15:35] <Laney> larsu: nein
[15:36] <Laney> why does it break for us but not adwaita?
[15:36] <larsu> they don't have .svg files in the non-scalable directorues
[15:36] <larsu> (apart from the spinner, apparently)
[15:37] <Laney> oh right
[15:37] <Laney> is it hard for us to stop doing that?
[15:37] <larsu> I don't know why we ever did it in the first place...
[15:37] <larsu> it's got to be pretty hard on cpu to always render svg
[15:38] <Laney> ya...
[15:38] <larsu> we could prerender them all - not sure how adwaita is doing that
[15:38] <larsu> but I mean, this is a legit gtk bug
[15:41] <Laney> can you see how to fix it while keeping their case?
[15:41] <Laney> do this only for scalable?
[15:42] <larsu> you mean the dir name "scalable"
[15:42] <larsu> that's just a convention, wouldn't like to hard-code that into gtk
[15:43] <Laney> ya
[15:43] <larsu> icon spec is a mess :/
[15:52] <rickspencer3> lol, I just spent the last week assuming that the I was doing something to make the sound indicator crash
[15:52] <rickspencer3> of course, I had "Show sound volume in the menu  bar" turned off
[15:52] <rickspencer3> this is the second time I have done this :)
[15:56] <seb128> yeah, you are not the first one to fall into that one!
[15:56] <Laney> weird preference
[15:57] <seb128> why?
[15:57] <seb128> we have the same for the other indicators
[15:57] <Laney> some of them
[15:58] <seb128> most of them
[15:58] <larsu> many of them
[15:58] <Laney> quality argument
[15:58] <seb128> datetime/battery/sound/keyboard
[15:58] <Laney> bye
[15:58] <seb128> ?
[15:58] <seb128> well, argument is "if it's missing for one tell us which one, we should fix it"
[15:58] <seb128> rather than just throw "some" in the air
[15:58] <Laney> session and network, and they are all presented differently
[15:59] <seb128> session is probably a special case
[15:59] <Laney> I can't hide the dropbox one either
[15:59] <seb128> it's not very optional to be able to log out
[15:59] <seb128> right, those are appindicators
[15:59] <Laney> I can press the power button
[15:59] <seb128> we don't have an ui to manage those
[16:00] <Laney> it's weird because it is so inconsistent
[16:00] <seb128> let me see if I can find the design
[16:00] <seb128> maybe it's just missing implementation
[16:00] <seb128> it shouldn't be inconsistent
[16:00] <seb128> the design is consistent iirc, we probably regressed in implemtation :-/
[16:01] <seb128> those are options in the different settings panel, usually at the bottom
[16:04] <Laney> ya bluetooth/sound/keyboard have this
[16:07] <seb128> power has a combo because it has more states
[16:07] <seb128> I can't find the session menu design now
[16:08] <Laney> it's not that important :)
[16:50] <Laney> Noskcaj: will upload your merge tomorrow btw
[17:00] <Laney> see you!
[20:02] <willcooke> hey robert_ancell
[20:02] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hey
[20:25] <willcooke> g'night all


[06:37] <pleia2> meeting at UDS is at 10:00 UTC today
[06:37] <pleia2> pretty much covering what we discussed at the last meeting here: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20110421
[06:38] <pleia2> but it's also a nice opportunity to get input from women who are here and don't usually attend our stuff online :)
[06:49] <maco> wahhhh uds people shouldn't already be awake when i havent gone to sleep yet
[06:49] <maco> (release day at work = stay up late to get it done)
[06:49] <maco> g'night
[06:51] <pleia2> night maco
[06:51] <pleia2> and yeah, UDS at UTC+2 is interesting :)
[09:52] <hypatia> meeting is at 12 budapest time, right?
[09:52] <hypatia> or is it now
[09:52]  * hypatia pings pleia2
[09:52] <pleia2> hypatia: 12
[09:53] <hypatia> yeah just found it in the Guidebook
[09:53] <hypatia> <3 guidebook
[09:53] <pleia2> :)


[20:58] <tsimonq2> wxl, pleia2, daker: You were around for the last LoCo Portal Planning meeting, you around now for the meeting that's supposed to start in two minutes? :)
[21:00] <tsimonq2> #startmeeting LoCo Portal Planning Meeting
[21:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 23 21:00:01 2016 UTC.  The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:00] <daker> yo
[21:00] <tsimonq2> hey daker :)
[21:01] <tsimonq2> so this is the second LoCo Portal planning meeting
[21:01] <tsimonq2> a little bit smaller than the last but I have some topics in mind
[21:01] <tsimonq2> even if it's just with daker, this will be valuable :)
[21:01] <tsimonq2> okay
[21:01] <tsimonq2> #topic Meeting Time
[21:02] <tsimonq2> I sent out the reminder for this meeting a bit late, and daylight savings time messed things up again
[21:02] <tsimonq2> do we want to keep the time of 21 UTC or do we want to pull back to 20 UTC?
[21:02] <tsimonq2> daker: thoughts?
[21:03] <daker> 21 is good
[21:03] <daker> well at least for me :)
[21:03] <tsimonq2> alright, I'll give until 21:05 for people to object, then we can move on :)
[21:05] <tsimonq2> so it seems that not many people are here
[21:05] <superfly> o/
[21:05] <superfly> I'm here :-)
[21:05] <tsimonq2> oh hello superfly :)
[21:05] <tsimonq2> daker: do you have the IS response nearby?
[21:06] <tsimonq2> #topic IS Response about the server
[21:07] <tsimonq2> daker: I'm hunting it down now if you can't find it
[21:07] <daker> https://paste.ubuntu.com/15482854/
[21:08] <tsimonq2> okay, cool, thanks daker :)
[21:08] <daker> recap : IS recommendation is to stick with 1.3.1
[21:09] <tsimonq2> So I've read this a few times, here's my opinion
[21:09] <tsimonq2> I think that we test it and make sure it works on Trusty
[21:09] <tsimonq2> upgrade to Trusty
[21:09] <superfly> I agree with tsimonq2
[21:09] <tsimonq2> then over the summer we test with Xenial and upgrade to Xenial
[21:09] <daker> tsimonq2: you can't upgrade :)
[21:09] <tsimonq2> well have IS do it
[21:10] <tsimonq2> daker: wait we can't upgrade releases?
[21:10] <superfly> also, you can install Django, et al in a virtualenv, and then you don't need to worry about the version in Ubuntu
[21:10] <tsimonq2> ^ good point
[21:11] <daker> tsimonq2: no, you can't just upgrade like that, the server was upgraded to precise in July 2015
[21:11] <daker> precise :) 12.04
[21:11] <tsimonq2> daker: then what do we have to work with in that regard?
[21:12] <tsimonq2> Precise goes EOL next April, so we have about a year
[21:12] <tsimonq2> I would much rather do it sooner than later
[21:12] <tsimonq2> but we can only do what we can do :)
[21:12] <daker> the recommendation is to stick with 1.3.x if we want to stay like that
[21:13] <tsimonq2> daker: would it be possible to have IS upgrade the server to Trusty, or do we have to backport stuff?
[21:13] <teward> tsimonq2: I would reread their email if I were you (apologies for appearing)
[21:13] <daker> if we want to upgrade for Django for sure we need to write a juju charm
[21:13] <teward> the email as it is currently states this: For the moment, while the site is hosted on a precise server, I would recommend sticking with 1.3 and addressing problems exposed by the Ubuntu upgrade.   ...
[21:14] <teward> without further knowledge, I'd interpret that to be "We don't want to upgrade this right now"
[21:14] <daker> teward: yes
[21:14] <tsimonq2> ohhhhh I see
[21:14] <tsimonq2> sorry :)
[21:14] <teward> and again, apologies for popping in, but I thought it would help to have the translation/interpretation made available :)
[21:14] <daker> because they have planning on what to upgrades and when
[21:14] <teward> tsimonq2: so, the email suggests:
[21:15] <teward> (1) sticking to precise
[21:15] <tsimonq2> totally okay teward :)
[21:15] <teward> (2) work with the existing system and resolve existing issues
[21:15] <teward> (3) possible-long-term: backport either trusty or xenial Django in a PPA, confirm it works, migrate site to that, show it works, and IS may consider using the PPA in that case
[21:15] <teward> which is in the last paragraph of the email
[21:16] <teward> with the backport target being precise.
[21:16] <tsimonq2> well I see that, but I haven't been able to easily reproduce the server locally
[21:16] <tsimonq2> that's another problem I wanted to bring up
[21:16] <tsimonq2> it's a bit tricky
[21:16] <tsimonq2> knowing what cron jobs the server uses would be extremely useful
[21:16] <daker> tsimonq2: why ? it should work, we have fixed the issues
[21:17] <daker> tsimonq2: cronjob for the portal ?
[21:17] <tsimonq2> daker: well either the docs aren't there or the docs aren't obvious enough to locally set up a server with all of the functionality
[21:17] <tsimonq2> like, we can do the portal
[21:17] <tsimonq2> just stuff like the blog requires extra docs that I don't know about
[21:18] <daker> ok, i'll document that
[21:18] <tsimonq2> I think getting the cron jubs used on the server would be useful to document how it's updated
[21:18] <tsimonq2> *jobs
[21:18] <tsimonq2> okay, thank you daker :)
[21:18] <tsimonq2> daker: mind creating an actuion with meetingology?
[21:18] <tsimonq2> *action
[21:19] <tsimonq2> or I can do it :)
[21:19] <daker> you can do it for me :)
[21:19] <teward> fyi: #action
[21:19] <tsimonq2> #action daker: better document local setup of the LoCo portal
[21:19] <meetingology> ACTION: daker: better document local setup of the LoCo portal
[21:19] <teward> now that'll show in the minutes
[21:19] <tsimonq2> knowing this would really speed up development, IMHO
[21:21] <tsimonq2> so I think that for now we can ensure it works, then when Xenial is released, imho, we should backport Django from Xenial
[21:21] <tsimonq2> daker: would that be reasonable to do?
[21:22] <daker> tsimonq2: i have absolutely no idea with packaging, and backporting means also handling security issues :)
[21:23] <daker> my recommendation is to stick with 1.3 for now, deploy the cronjob fix
[21:23] <daker> then start writing a juju charm
[21:24] <daker> with the charm i guess that put the portal in a VM instead of the physical server
[21:24] <tsimonq2> so do you think the backport will be good at any point?
[21:25] <tsimonq2> or do you think that it will just give us more work?
[21:26] <daker> tsimonq2: i don't think so it will be good, it's a complicated work + packaging + handling django sec issues
[21:26] <tsimonq2> ahh okay
[21:26] <tsimonq2> so the current point we are at is to stick with 1.3.x, write a Juju charm for it, then make sure it works and maintain it?
[21:27] <superfly> Without sounding like I'm harping on about the virtualenv... I reckon that using a virtualenv will be of more benefit in the long run. With a virtualenv you can set the version of Django that you're using. You're also isolating your version from the operating system, so that you can do things at your own pace if necessary.
[21:27] <tsimonq2> (just to make sure we are clear)
[21:27] <superfly> (and I'm presuming that you can do that in a Juju Charm too)
[21:27] <tsimonq2> superfly: but if we change Django versions, that's a whole other thing we need to support
[21:27] <tsimonq2> to clarify, Juju charms are justr for easy configuration
[21:28] <tsimonq2> *just
[21:28] <tsimonq2> (afair)
[21:28] <superfly> tsimonq2: but you can change django versions when *you* want to, not when the operating system dictates
[21:28] <tsimonq2> I see
[21:28] <tsimonq2> daker: thoughts?
[21:28] <tsimonq2> teward: you have experience with packaging, feel free to interject at any point :)
[21:29] <teward> sorry, was in the middle of something else for Server team
[21:29]  * teward scrolls backwards
[21:29] <daker> superfly: i don't think IS likes handling stuff with virtualenv
[21:29] <daker> if it was possible they will say it
[21:29] <tsimonq2> daker: could that question be asked?
[21:30] <teward> tsimonq2: I would not be looking at the backport for now
[21:30] <superfly> The biggest issue with backporting that you'll likely encounter is dependencies that you'd also have to backport
[21:30] <daker> tsimonq2: i'll ask if you want, even if the answer is clear
[21:30] <teward> Given that Precise EOLs in about a year, backporting will be a huge painful thing to do, as they suggested in the email may be a waste of time
[21:30] <daker> tsimonq2: they don't install modules from pypi only archive ;)
[21:31] <daker> teward: +1
[21:31] <teward> for all the reasons I have the same headaches with nginx in the Server side, or znc on my own third-party, having to adapt to the much older software in Precise
[21:31] <tsimonq2> ahh I see
[21:31] <teward> (especially ZNC, as I have to pull in the ubuntu-toolchain test repo to make that build for Precise)
[21:32] <tsimonq2> so should we continue to test to see if it works in Xenial and Trusty so when IS *does* upgrade, we have a plan?
[21:32] <teward> tsimonq2: so, my recommendation would be to stick with 1.3, diagnose the cron issues, fix them as can be done, and not worry about the backport.
[21:32] <teward> tsimonq2: correct.
[21:32] <tsimonq2> okay, we need regression tests then, if not already implemented
[21:32] <tsimonq2> that should be look at
[21:32] <superfly> The age old tussel between devs and sysadmins...
[21:32] <tsimonq2> I'll make an action
[21:32] <tsimonq2> *looked
[21:33] <teward> right, but note that IS alluded to this in their email - see lines 29 - 32 on your paste
[21:33] <teward> "Regarding the future of loco.ubuntu.com, I would recommend selecting an Ubuntu LTS release to target, ideally xenial (but trusty would be fine), porting the site to its supplied version of Django (1.8 or 1.6, depending) and writing a Juju charm or charms to deploy the new site."
[21:33] <teward> rather than the backporting item, which they *suggest* may be a way around it, but they also suggest "waste of time" given Precise EOL date
[21:33] <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: Ensure regression tests are in place for the LoCo Portal
[21:33] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2: Ensure regression tests are in place for the LoCo Portal
[21:34] <superfly> So basically get it working on Django-<version in xenial>, I think
[21:34] <teward> ^ that
[21:34] <tsimonq2> !infor django xenial
[21:34] <teward> tsimonq2: 1.8
[21:34] <tsimonq2> !info django xenial
[21:34] <tsimonq2> lol
[21:34] <teward> !info python-django
[21:34] <teward> !info python-django xenial
[21:34] <teward> Or, from rmadison:
[21:35] <teward>  python-django | 1.6.1-2           | trusty           | source, all
[21:35] <teward>  python-django | 1.8.7-1ubuntu4    | xenial           | source, all
[21:35] <tsimonq2> okay, so we know what's going to happen going forward?
[21:35] <teward> (with other ubuntu spevcific changes in trusty-updates,-security)
[21:35] <tsimonq2> teward: or are you implying a different point here besides what's already been established?
[21:35]  * tsimonq2 can't tell :)
[21:36] <teward> [2016-03-23 17:34:17] <superfly> So basically get it working on Django-<version in xenial>, I think
[21:36] <teward> OR
[21:36] <teward> Django-<version in trusty>
[21:36] <teward> Ideally, they want to put it on Xenial (read their email!), but would also settle for Trusty if need be
[21:37] <tsimonq2> so I think the priority would be Trusty because that's the next hop up, but Xenial is a priority as well :)
[21:37] <superfly> I'm not a Django person, but AFAIK, 1.8 is current-1, so that would be the best one to target
[21:37] <teward> tsimonq2: let me rephrase: the IS team wants, ideally, to move to Xenial, not Trusty
[21:37] <superfly> I think both 1.6 and 1.7 are already put out to pasture
[21:37] <teward> I would start by a port to Xenial's version, determine if it's feasible, and easily done
[21:37] <tsimonq2> mhm
[21:38] <tsimonq2> but I wouldn't forget Trusty
[21:38] <tsimonq2> I see what you are saying
[21:38] <tsimonq2> but just in case
[21:38] <daker> so 1.8 is an LTS wich is good 1.6 is unsupported
[21:38] <superfly> I don't see the point of trusty. you're going to have a big jump, whether to move to trusty or xenial, I think it makes more sense to just jump to xenial. less effort
[21:39] <teward> if not, then I would fall back to the version in Trusty, as a secondary solution
[21:39] <teward> either way there'll be headaches moving from (ancient) 1.3 to 1.6 (Trusty) or 1.8 (Xenial)
[21:39] <teward> tsimonq2: start by targeting Xenial, though I doubt it'll be done until after Xenial releases.
[21:39]  * teward makes a note to replace his wifi access point at a later time
[21:39] <teward> what was my last message?
[21:39] <tsimonq2> superfly, teward: that's ultimately IS's decision, although we should prepare either way, let's consider Trusty and Xenial equal priority, just in case, although I get what you are saying :)
[21:40] <teward> tsimonq2: i'd still target Xenial first (Django 1.8), before going to Trusty (Django 1.6)
[21:40] <teward> that's all :)
[21:40] <daker> tsimonq2: xenial
[21:40] <teward> per IS's ideal situations
[21:40] <daker> 1.6 is alreay outdated
[21:40] <teward> indeed
[21:40] <daker> and 1.8 is an LTS supported til 2018
[21:41] <tsimonq2> alright, creating an action :)
[21:41] <teward> also note I don't know Django, so any part of that migration is not something I can assist with; though I'm happy to make suggestions and such when pinged for my input :)
[21:41] <tsimonq2> #action Ensure the LoCo Portal works with Xenial's version of Django
[21:41] <meetingology> ACTION: Ensure the LoCo Portal works with Xenial's version of Django
[21:42] <tsimonq2> so is that all we needed to talk about?
[21:42] <tsimonq2> #topic Misc.
[21:42] <tsimonq2> I think we are good?
[21:43] <daker> the fix for the cronjob is here https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-team-portal/fix.1542697/+merge/289581
[21:43] <tsimonq2> I saw :)
[21:43]  * tsimonq2 is happy
[21:44] <daker> and we are done ?
[21:45] <tsimonq2> I think so
[21:45] <tsimonq2> I'll leave this open until 22 UTC for people to jump in if desired
[21:45] <tsimonq2> if they are reading and don't understand something or have something to add :)
[21:45]  * superfly has nothing further to say :-)
[21:51] <teward> I don't think there's anything else, tsimonq2, perhaps #endmeeting is appropriate?
[21:51] <teward> (further points can be brought up outside the meeting if need be)
[21:54] <tsimonq2> #endmeeting
[21:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 23 21:54:32 2016 UTC.
[21:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-03-23-21.00.moin.txt
[21:54] <tsimonq2> there :)
[21:54] <tsimonq2> thanks for your help teward :)
[21:54] <tsimonq2> and thanks again daker and superfly :)
[21:55] <daker> yw
[21:58] <teward> yep
[21:59] <superfly> yw


[20:10] <ubuntu-addict> cgtdk: https://www.amazon.fr/Asus-G750JH-T4040H-Ordinateur-portable-Windows/dp/B00E5K6DIE
[20:11] <[snake]> wylde, thankyou so much. Someone was hijacking my adobe acount and I'm in a buzz sorta o-o
[20:15] <tb01110100> What WM is Ubuntu + Unity using right now? Is it compiz?
[20:17] <OerHeks> lightdm
[20:17] <tb01110100> Uh..
[20:17] <cgtdk> OerHeks: that's not a WM
[20:17] <tb01110100> Window Manager?
[20:18] <tb01110100> That's a desktop manager.
[20:18] <cgtdk> As of 2010 the Unity shell interface developers use a toolkit called Nux instead of Clutter.[38] Unity is a plugin of the Compiz window manager,[15] which Canonical states is faster than Mutter,[39] the window manager for which GNOME Shell is a plug
[20:18] <cgtdk> according to Wikipedia
[20:18] <tb01110100> Thanks.
[20:27] <jhutchins> +  cgtdk
[20:27] <cgtdk> jhutchins: what?
[20:27] <James_Epp> Hey guys. Doing network installs in a fashion similar to this: (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet#A_variation:_Booting_the_.22Live_CD.22_image). However, on every machine I do the install on, none of them have wired connection options. That is, when in the live environment everything works fine, but in the actual installation, no wired networking is available. This is quite frustrating. How can I resolve this?
[20:27] <jhutchins> cgtdk: Good Cite.
[20:28] <vasily> привет
[20:28] <cgtdk> All right
[20:28] <MonkeyDust> !ru
[20:28] <jhutchins> James_Epp: Figure out which chipset you're dealing with.
[20:28] <vasily> hi
[20:29] <jhutchins> !ru
[20:29] <dqwqwddqw> !steam
[20:29] <dqwqwddqw> hi
[20:29] <James_Epp> jhutchins: How? Also, that isn't really going to assist. It seems to be like something is not carried over in any installs. This is the case from those terrible embedded VIA processors to AMD to Intel boards. I do not believe it is hardware releated.
[20:30] <tozen> vasily: kak sam, brat?
[20:30] <jhutchins> James_Epp: It is hardware related.
[20:30] <jhutchins> James_Epp:  The live CD install works on some hardware.
[20:30] <ub-beginner> Is ubuntu compatible with every computer or not? I heard that it is more difficult with uefi but not impossible. Is it true?
[20:31] <dqwqwddqw> hi how to install Steam on ubuntu
[20:31] <vasily> hot est tut russkie)
[20:31] <jhutchins> James_Epp: My guess is that your hardware requires non-free firmware for the NIC.
[20:31] <bekks> dqwqwddqw:
[20:31] <tozen> vasily:  da ets', est' :)
[20:31] <James_Epp> jhutchins: The live CD works perfectly on all of these machines. Only the network install does not.
[20:31] <jhutchins> James_Epp: Although, ubuntu shoul dhandle that.
[20:31] <bekks> dqwqwddqw: Please read what ubottu wrote regarding steam.
[20:31] <cgtdk> ub-beginner: Not every computer, but it does work well with many
[20:31] <vasily> ubuntoq davno polzueshsia&
[20:31] <cgtdk> ub-beginner: Just disable secure boot and it should be fine with UEFI as far as I know
[20:32] <jhutchins> !pl
[20:32] <cgtdk> !secureboot
[20:32] <tozen> vasily: goda poltora, a chjo?
[20:32] <ub-beginner> cgtdk: when it doesn't work is it just like the fn key don't work? or it doesn't work at all??
[20:32] <jhutchins> ub-beginner: EFI requires a little more user care and involvement to set up.
[20:32] <ub-beginner> cgtdk: when it doesn't work is it just like the fn key don't work? or it doesn't work at all??
[20:32] <jhutchins> ub-beginner: More like it's harder to get the bootloader installed correctly.
[20:32] <ub-beginner> ok
[20:33] <James_Epp> Throwing it out there: I disable secure boot and CSM in asus boards permanently and re-do the OS.
[20:33] <James_Epp> *that is, enable CSM
[20:33] <vasily> ne probeval arch7 i segodnz ves deni probival ystanavlivat))
[20:33] <jhutchins> James_Epp: The only way you're going to find a solution is if you figure out what's going wrong and why, and how to fix it.
[20:33] <dqwqwddqw> bekks: the problem is that from the ubuntu software center I can't click install it there's a buy button instead of install button, but Steam is free
[20:34] <tozen> vasily:  nea, mnu i na bubne kajfova
[20:34] <bekks> dqwqwddqw: You dont need the software center to install software.
[20:34] <dqwqwddqw> bekks: so what sudo apt-get install steam?
[20:34] <jhutchins> dqwqwddqw: Follow the link above link for install instructions.
[20:35] <bekks> dqwqwddqw: Read the second link ubottu gave you.
[20:35] <dqwqwddqw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve this one?
[20:35] <dqwqwddqw> right?
[20:35] <bekks> dqwqwddqw: Yes.
[20:35] <vasily> nu a mne na debiane) dli razvitia ystanovil. ne znaesh kak tyt zaiti v gryppy arch?
[20:35] <dqwqwddqw> okay I am reading
[20:36] <tozen> vasily:  blin, u guglja sprosi, brat! :)
[20:36] <vasily> sprosit kak tyt naiti gryppy) vratli naidy)
[20:38] <vasily> vot gde mne english ychit) tyt perepisivatsi s americansami)
[20:38] <genii> !ru
[20:38] <vasily> HI! UBUNTU-FOREVER
[20:40] <vasily> Do  what you using KDE, Unity, Gnome< XFCE?
[20:42] <Marlenee> how i fix E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-minimal'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[20:43] <OoOo> how do I get to the ubuntu patition
[20:43] <OoOo> I have windows too
[20:43] <ernie24> I have just blank desktop, no  Unity launcher, no windows, nothing, even keyboard binds like Alt+T or Super don't work, any hints?
[20:44] <vasily> in setting keyboerd
[20:45] <tozen> ernie24: what u've done before problem appeared?
[20:46] <OoOo> help
[20:46] <tozen> OoOo: what the matter?
[20:46] <OoOo> how to select the linux partition to boot into
[20:46] <OoOo> i have a windows partition too
[20:47] <cvtsx> ye i dual boot also
[20:47] <ernie24> tozen - well, nothing particular, I just experienced sudden power down yesterday. Today I just logged into empty desktop.
[20:47] <cvtsx> its the only way 2 go
[20:47] <jhutchins> OoOo: You should see the grub boot menu when you start up.  It should have entries for both Windows and Debian, and Debian should be the default.  If it's not, you need to fix grub.
[20:48] <OoOo> i dont
[20:48] <OoOo> I see the bios then windows
[20:48] <jhutchins> OoOo: Then you have not successfully installed grub.
[20:48] <vasily> update-grub
[20:48] <bekks> OoOo: Did you install windows after ubuntu?
[20:48] <jhutchins> vasily: Not if he doesn't see it to begin with.  Good fix if he doesn't have a windows option.
[20:49] <OoOo> yes
[20:49] <jhutchins> OoOo: Which version of windows?
[20:49] <OoOo> xp
[20:49] <bekks> OoOo: Then you have to repair your grub bootloader now.
[20:49] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
[20:50] <jhutchins> OoOo: Windows took over the bootloader.  It's not friendly to other OSs.
[20:50] <vasily> OoOo: update-grub
[20:51] <jhutchins> vasily: no.
[20:52] <OoOo> I dont have the cd
[20:52] <jhutchins> vasily: That only updates the menus, scanning for new bootable partitions.  It does not fix the mbr which gets over-written by windows.
[20:52] <OoOo> and I cant get into linux os
[20:52] <vasily> I bad know english language)
[20:52] <jhutchins> OoOo: How did you install ubuntu to begin with.
[20:52] <OoOo> oh wait
[20:53] <vasily> install ubuntu very install
[20:53] <vasily> install ubuntu very simpl
[20:54] <ernie24> tozen: ok I was able to fix it - http://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears/286349#286349
[20:54] <mrdeb> please explain how to install on uefi laptop. thank u
[20:55] <ernie24> mrdeb: what do you want to install?
[20:56] <mrdeb> ernie24: linux
[20:56] <OerHeks> !uefi
[20:56] <ernie24> mrdeb with Ubunty you don't need to do anything special
[20:56] <ernie24> it will update UEFI records for you
[20:57] <vasily> bay
[20:57] <mrdeb> ernie24: what about debian 7
[20:59] <Titanium> why does ubunutu installer yell at me when I do not create a swap partition?
[20:59] <cgtdk> mrdeb: ask a Debian channel
[20:59] <Titanium> do I really need one if I do not plan to swap?
[20:59] <cgtdk> Titanium: No
[20:59] <ernie24> mrdeb: if I am not wrong, any distro with grub that is not ancient will do that
[20:59] <Titanium> cgtdk thanks
[20:59] <mrdeb> !ops
[20:59] <mrdeb> ernie24: thank you
[20:59] <OerHeks> Titanium, you might want to use hybernate, that is what it is complaining about
[20:59] <mrdeb> at least you were not rude
[20:59] <cgtdk> I'm running without swap myself on several boxes and it's running fine (as long as you have enough memory)
[20:59] <Myrtti> mrdeb: yyyyyeeeeesss?
[20:59] <wylde> Titanium: you need one if you plan to use suspend/"sleep" though
[20:59] <wwqdwqd> !nvidia
[21:00] <cgtdk> OerHeks: Do people actually use that?
[21:00] <OoOo> how am I meant to find boot repair
[21:00] <bekks> Titanium: if you want to suspend, you need a swap partition as large as your RAM.
[21:00] <Titanium> cgtdk i have over 2x as much ram as disk
[21:00] <OerHeks> cgtdk, dunno, i have no screensaver too
[21:00] <Titanium> cgtdk so not really an option to swap ;)
[21:00] <OoOo> im booting from the cd
[21:00] <bekks> Titanium: so you cant suspend. How much RAM do you have?
[21:00] <OoOo> I cant find 'boot repair'
[21:00] <Titanium> 512GB
[21:00] <cgtdk> By suspend do you mean something different from standby?
[21:01] <bekks> Titanium: which server is that?
[21:01] <Titanium> C460M2
[21:01] <Myrtti> I guess no ops needed then?
[21:01] <wwqdwqd> I can't find Additional Drivers on my ubuntu 13.04?
[21:01] <bekks> Titanium: From which manufacturer? :)
[21:01] <Titanium> 64 memory slots, and its quad socket, quad channel per socket, 4DPC
[21:01] <Titanium> cisco
[21:01] <ernie24> have a nice time all
[21:01] <Titanium> its my new desktop ;)
[21:02] <OoOo> help
[21:02] <bekks> Titanium: you poor. you must be deaf meanwhile.
[21:02] <Titanium> bekks nope, i still got money leftover to buy the GPU and sound ccard ;)
[21:02] <OerHeks> Titanium, so why don't you have a spare 512 ssd for that ?
[21:02] <Titanium> bekks and i have it in a 6U silentenclosure
[21:03] <bekks> OerHeks: Thats wasting money. SSD for swap usage. :)
[21:03] <Titanium> OerHeks seems like a waste of an SSD when I have 209 (and soon to be 40) TB of storage
[21:03] <Titanium> 20* not 209
[21:03] <bekks> Titanium: Still too load and too much power consumption, imho.
[21:03] <OerHeks> bekks, he would be able to hybernate then
[21:03] <Titanium> i got adapter for range plug
[21:03] <valroadie> !nomodeset
[21:03] <bekks> OerHeks: It is a server. No need to hibernate.
[21:03] <Titanium> so i get 30 amps of 220
[21:04] <Titanium> uses 1KW+ at full load
[21:04] <OoOo> I also need to make the linux volume smaller and make the windows one bigger
[21:04] <bekks> Titanium: Thats pretty much.
[21:04] <Titanium> i plan to get 4 of them
[21:04] <bekks> Titanium: I'd replace them with one Oracle SPARC T5-2 :P
[21:04] <Titanium> bekks but then you cannot run games :(
[21:04] <dee> !nomodeset
[21:05] <bekks> Titanium: I dont play games.
[21:05] <OoOo> help
[21:05] <Titanium> bekks that is what I am getting thos one for
[21:05] <bekks> Titanium: Ah, waste of money and power. OK.
[21:05] <Titanium> bekks i multibox, so i need a bunch of CPU power and lots of PCIe slots
[21:06] <pentester> hello
[21:07] <OoOo> pls help
[21:07] <pentester> So my wireless is working fine without my Ubuntu desktop on the LAN. As soon I plug in an ethernet cable the internet goes down on all clients on network. LAN still works
[21:07] <pentester> Any ideas what could be causing this
[21:09] <wylde> pentester: sounds like you have a dhcp server running on your ubuntu box overiding your router. Just a thought.
[21:09] <pentester> wylde, any particular program i should look for?
[21:11] <bigbadben> what is a good hex editor to use for ubuntu
[21:11] <wylde> pentester: ps aux | grep -i dhcp ? Also check the configuration of the network adapter connecting to your local network.
[21:11] <Happzz> hey, i have php5.3.10 installed
[21:11] <Happzz> i wanna update to the latest 5.4.whatever
[21:12] <Happzz> apt-get update and then upgrade says it's all up to date.
[21:12] <Happzz> what am i missing?
[21:12] <bekks> Happzz: Thats the latest version from the ubuntu repos.
[21:12] <pentester> I just plugged it back into ethernet and everything is working. I didnt do anything.
[21:13] <Happzz> bekks are you sure? it's old like omg
[21:13] <bekks> Happzz: check on packages.ubuntu.com
[21:13] <rrm> can anyone recommend me a laptop without windows installed with no tpm, secure boot and computrace since most of these new ones seem to have 2 or more of these "features"
[21:14] <Happzz> bekks 5.4.9-4ubuntu2.3?
[21:14] <bekks> Happzz: For your specific ubuntu release?
[21:14] <cvtsx> rrm just get a reg laptop and use a bootable usb
[21:14] <bekks> Happzz: Which ubuntu release do you have?
[21:15] <Happzz> bekks not sure.
[21:15] <cvtsx> 12.04
[21:15] <bekks> Happzz: Whats the output of "lsb_release -sd"?
[21:15] <Happzz> 12.04.3 LTS
[21:18] <bekks> Happzz: latest php version for precise is 5.3.10
[21:23] <cgtdk> rrm: Windows being pre-installed is often cheaper because of all the bloatware the OEMs are paid to add
[21:23] <cgtdk> iirc
[21:24] <darkangel> how does 1 Debug a program or any thing?
[21:24] <cgtdk> !details | darkangel
[21:25] <darkangel> is there a web site how to debug stuff? like a Setup.exe game disk
[21:25] <cgtdk> I don't understand what you are talking about (other than having something to do with debugging)
[21:25] <cgtdk> What is a 'setup.exe game disk'?
[21:26] <darkangel> setup.exe of a install program peace that u see on a disk
[21:26] <darkangel> Launcher
[21:26] <bekks> darkangel: you cant run windows .exe files directly.
[21:27] <mrrcp> how do i make a shortcut link on my desktop to a sftp location!
[21:27] <darkangel> I know i done tryed Wine 1.7.3. but if u Send a bug report they all ways have something to bit ur head off about
[21:27] <darkangel> so ima up for fixing my own stuff
[21:28] <jcrza> Is there a channel for hardware prototyping?
[21:28] <cgtdk> jcrza: /list
[21:28] <bekks> darkangel: wine setup.exe
[21:28] <darkangel> is there no WebSite where it will Train u how to debug? programs?
[21:29] <mrrcp> anyone?
[21:29] <gregor3005> hi, is there a similar application like fpaste from fedora for ubuntu?
[21:29] <mrrcp> Hey is there a way to give applications priority with bandwith?
[21:29] <mrrcp> such as my terminal over transmission?
[21:29] <bekks> darkangel: what in very detail are you trying to do actually?
[21:29] <daftykins> mrrcp: "nautilus sftp://blah/" maybe
[21:30] <SalahMessaoud> Hi
[21:30] <mrrcp> daftykins: to make a shortcut on a desktop
[21:30] <pfifo> gregor3005: pastebinit
[21:30] <SchrodingersScat> mrrcp: there is a package for that, not sure how well it works, i think it' was called drip something, trying to remember
[21:30] <gregor3005> pfifo: thx i try it
[21:30] <darkangel> no... tryin to Install Oblivion Elder scrolls IV under WINE but wont do crap just show's a little message of code's and when u click OK it dont Install
[21:31] <bekks> darkangel: Then check out the winehq website on how to run that game using wine.
[21:31] <SalahMessaoud> I have been trying to make my E372 3G dongle to work on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 32 bit but no luck any idea ?
[21:31] <bekks> !winehq | darkangel
[21:31] <SchrodingersScat> !info trickle | mrrcp
[21:32] <darkangel> How do u Debug stuff though?
[21:33] <SchrodingersScat> !info gdb | darkangel
[21:33] <bekks> darkangel: if you want to debig windows programs, you have to ask a windows channel though ;)
[21:33] <bekks> 12*debug
[21:33] <pfifo> darkangel: use gdb
[21:33] <darkangel> ok thx
[21:33] <mrrcp> trickle
[21:34] <mrrcp> is that a commonly used app?
[21:34] <Guest9087> hello guys.... you know tell me what is the package name of the ubuntu translation to portuguese (brazil)?
[21:36] <SchrodingersScat> mrrcp: not sure if I even had it working, saw it suggested here and installed it.
[21:37] <mrrcp> dont you have to setup the settings?
[21:37] <mrrcp> !wondershape
[21:37] <SchrodingersScat> !info wondershape
[21:37] <mrrcp> hmm
[21:37] <mrrcp> o
[21:37] <mrrcp> !info wondershaper
[21:38] <mrrcp> i wonder which is better
[21:39] <mrrcp> any ideas?
[21:40] <daftykins> try them
[21:40] <nurow> is there a way that I can make Nautilus search the inner contents files?
[21:40] <nurow> or another application I can use?
[21:40] <SchrodingersScat> mrrcp: I would like to hear how each of them go for you.
[21:41] <makoto> yo. just did upgrades to stop ubuntu nagging me. it appears to have removed support for my touchpad
[21:41] <makoto> any ideas as to how i can get my touchpad back?
[21:42] <darkangel> Hey does Geany Help on Debugging?
[21:42] <cgtdk> !details | makoto
[21:42] <bekks> darkangel: no.
[21:42] <darkangel> ok
[21:42] <bekks> darkangel: did you visit the wine appdb to check how you can install your game?
[21:43] <makoto> it's raring, thats as much as I know
[21:43] <makoto> i just want to be able to use my laptop!
[21:43] <darkangel> not yet
[21:43] <makoto> what other details are needed?
[21:43] <cgtdk> makoto: laptop model, kernel version, stuff like that
[21:43] <cgtdk> previous ubuntu version
[21:44] <makoto> Linux mak0-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC 3.8.0-31-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 10 20:03:44 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:44] <bekks> darkangel: that would be the very first thing to do instead of "debugging".
[21:44] <makoto> previos version was raring as far as i'm aware- it updated packages
[21:44] <cgtdk> oh
[21:44] <cgtdk> what did you update?
[21:44] <makoto> not a clue! it just kept saying "updates are available"
[21:44] <makoto> so i clicked ok, entered my password and went off to make a coffee
[21:45] <cgtdk> I see
[21:45] <makoto> it doesn't keep update logs, does it?
[21:46] <rafinhaaa> hello guys.... you know tell me what is the package name of the ubuntu translation to portuguese (brazil)?
[21:46] <cgtdk> /var/log/dpkg.log
[21:46] <cgtdk> @ makoto
[21:47] <makoto> cgtdk: ha it literally upgraded everything
[21:48] <trism> rafinhaaa: you could see which packages you need with: check-language-support -l pt;
[21:48] <cgtdk> makoto: That seems unlikely
[21:48] <makoto> well
[21:48] <makoto> ok not literally
[21:48] <makoto> not literally at all
[21:49] <Rory> rafinhaaa: See also here http://askubuntu.com/questions/149876/how-can-i-install-one-language-by-command-line
[21:49] <makoto> regardless, it's upgraded a lot.... http://pastebin.com/Ypq8MjWT
[21:49] <rafinhaaa> trism: thank you!
[21:49] <rafinhaaa> Rory: thanks!
[21:49] <makoto> new xorg
[21:49] <makoto> i wonder
[21:49] <rafinhaaa> i will check it
[21:50] <cgtdk> makoto: 'figuratively everything' seems to be a fitting description :-)
[21:50] <makoto> ah yes
[21:51] <makoto> although, i doubt i'll remember how to spell figuratively
[21:51] <makoto> it doesn't roll off my fingers easily
[21:51] <mrrcp> brb
[21:51] <cgtdk> makoto: what about 'virtually'?
[21:52] <makoto> hmm
[21:53] <cgtdk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6198373/ this is better
[21:53] <mrrcp> ok here goes the test
[21:53] <mrrcp> trickle installed
[21:53] <cgtdk> makoto: try using the previous kernel
[21:54] <cgtdk> it should still be there
[21:54] <makoto> ah ok
[21:54] <delinquentme> is there a command to get a local machines public facing IP?
[21:54] <makoto> brb detaching screen and reboooting
[21:54] <delinquentme> commandline
[21:54] <techlord> Hello everyone, I am new to ubuntu and I am having a issue of connecting to one of my windows PC through the network locations but I can see the rest of them and get in the files of the others
[21:54] <makoto> was it shift to get into grub on these newfangled things?
[21:54] <mrrcp> So
[21:55] <mrrcp> It may be working properly
[21:55] <cgtdk> delinquentme: curl http://canhazip.com/
[21:55] <loadid_czech> techlord: you may have file and print sharing turned off on the computer you can't see.  Maybe you need to go into the folder on the windows machine and share the folder you want to see on the network
[21:56] <techlord> I have done this on the PC and have checked with my other PC's and I can see it from all other PC's but my ubuntu 12
[21:57] <techlord> As I was thinking the same thing
[21:57] <techlord> But as I said I can access this PC from any other PC in the house
[21:57] <cgtdk> makoto: yes, hold down shift
[21:57] <techlord> but this one
[21:57] <cgtdk> but you have to be quick
[21:58] <techlord> and the other 2 PC's connect and can be seen fine
[21:58] <makoto> cgtdk: hm yep. old kernel's fine
[21:58] <makoto> regression ftw
[21:59] <cgtdk> Yeah, regression sucks. I'm currently stuck on 3.9.11 on my laptop because newer versions mess up backlight control. :(
[21:59] <cgtdk> I should probably stick to the Canonical-maintained 3.8 branch
[21:59] <cgtdk> on my laptop
[22:00] <makoto> i remember back in 9.04 i had a dell and that worked real nice until i upgraded it one day and it never worked the same since :(
[22:01] <mrrcp> Well it seems that it is helping a little
[22:01] <mrrcp> as far as it not locking up my ssh
[22:01] <cgtdk> Speaking of kernels, there's usually a 'linux-headers...-all' file in addition to the 'linux-headers/image..._ARCH' files in these directories: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.4-saucy/ Is there a reason why there isn't one in that specific directory?
[22:01] <cgtdk> 9.04/9.10 were wonderful
[22:01] <cgtdk> those were the days
[22:03] <rrm> does the LTS 12.04 support pae?
[22:03] <bekks> rrm: yes.
[22:04] <we6jbo> Hi I got a question
[22:04] <cgtdk> !ask | we6jbo
[22:04] <we6jbo> Are there drivers for the NVIDIA Quadro K600 that will work with Ubuntu?
[22:04] <TJ-> cgtdk: If you review the build.log you'll see the build didn't succeed
[22:05] <cgtdk> TJ-: I see. Thanks
[22:05] <rrm> bekks:  i meant non pae processor, sorry
[22:06] <bekks> rrm: http://askubuntu.com/questions/117744/how-can-i-install-on-a-non-pae-cpu-error-kernel-requires-features-not-present
[22:08] <TJ-> rrm: 12.04 has PAE and non-PAE 32-bit kernels
[22:09] <TJ-> rrm: See http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&suite=precise-updates&section=all
[22:09] <rrm> TJ-:  thanks man
[22:09] <nurow> is there a way that I can make Nautilus search the inner contents files?
[22:09] <nurow> or another application I can use?
[22:10] <loadid_czech> you mean search for a text string inside a document nurow?
[22:10] <nurow> yep
[22:11] <nurow> <-- web developer
[22:11] <loadid_czech> maybe searchmonkey
[22:11] <wylde> nurow: gedit may do that. If not natively using a plugin perhaps
[22:12] <TJ-> nurow: That's what "grep" is for
[22:13] <TJ-> nurow: For non-text (binary) files you can use "strings $FILE | grep 'FIND_THIS'"
[22:13] <DthZig> I messed up my bluetooth stack trying to get a remote controler working
[22:13] <loadid_czech> or gnome-search-tool nurow
[22:13] <macsplean> anyone here pretty good with libreofffice
[22:14] <mrrcp> hmm
[22:14] <DthZig> I managed to not get it working again by installing blueman, I can pair stuff but no keyboard or gives output out
[22:14] <nurow> thanks for all the suggests guys
[22:14] <makoto> cgtdk: 9.04/.10 wasn't quite the days for me- i had to do thta updgrade as there was some silly configuation in .04 that caused usb 3g modems to do strange things on plugging them in.
[22:15] <loadid_czech> the answer to that question is irrelevant macsplean, what are you trying to accomplish?
[22:15] <ender-adam> macsplean: i am ok with keyboard shortcuts so you can ask me about getting around libre
[22:16] <DthZig> I am wondering what packages I can install to reinstall the standard bluetooth stack on ubuntu 13.04
[22:16] <macsplean> i am trying to change tab functionality to accomplish 2 things. First, when using tables in writer, I want the tab to indent, not move to the next table cell. Second, I want to change the number of spaces that tab moves forward by
[22:16] <raul_p> hey guys, how can i make sure php ( running as php-fpm as USER , not apache ) can't read outside /home/USER ?
[22:17] <loadid_czech> i would imagine the would take some pretty serious editing of the core files itself, tab moving one cell to the right is kind of universal macsplean
[22:18] <loadid_czech> DthZig: what did you do to mess it up in the first place
[22:18] <wylde> raul_p: make a test file outside /home/$USER and use a php script to try and read it?
[22:18] <bekks> macsplean: by default, tab inserts a tab, no whitespaces. That configurable in the settings.
[22:18] <raul_p> wylde: /etc/passwd :)
[22:18] <raul_p> i'm trying to secure the shit out of my lamp
[22:18] <ender-adam> macsplean: on openoffice it was arrow to move cell-to-cell not tab, tab was indent
[22:18] <raul_p> but, grr, i just uploaded a php shell and i can run anything
[22:19] <IdleOne> keep the language clean please
[22:19] <macsplean> loadid_czech: ok, well, in that case, can you think of anything I can do to give myself the functionality of pressing a button to insert multiple spaces . I am writing code and it is annoying to write multiple spaces all the time
[22:19] <DthZig> I first tried to install an old version of bluez with a patch, then that didn't make the remote controller work better, I tried to get back to where I started, but I clearly have installed the wrong bluetooth stack
[22:19] <macsplean> ender-adam: thanks I may switch over to that
[22:19] <DthZig> I am on blueman something now
[22:19] <bekks> raul_p: then disallow the usage of system functions, etc. first.
[22:19] <raul_p> i'm thinking now to add the system users ( that will have vhosts ) to a group, but not sure what to do with that group to restrict it's access
[22:19] <raul_p> bekks: not really, as wordpress relies on those :(
[22:19] <raul_p> and plus, i can't disable file_get_contents :)
[22:19] <bekks> raul_p: then its pretty hopeless.
[22:19] <raul_p> or fopen
[22:20] <raul_p> well, apparmor maybe can help, or some ACL's
[22:20] <TJ-> raul_p: It depends what user account the PHP script us running as, which probably depends on the httpd process
[22:20] <raul_p> but i'm new to that ...
[22:20] <raul_p> TJ-: the php runs as the user
[22:20] <raul_p> TJ-: httpd runs as www-data
[22:20] <TJ-> raul_p: using suexec ?
[22:20] <loadid_czech> macsplean: looks like bekks may know how to change that in the configuration settings
[22:21] <raul_p> worker + fastcgi + php-fpm
[22:22] <macsplean> bekks: do you know how to configure libreoffice writer so that tab indents and doesn
[22:22] <macsplean> bekks: doesn't change between table cells
[22:22] <bekks> macsplean: No, I dont know that. I just know that its configurable wether tab (in writer) inserts tabs or spaces.
[22:22] <raul_p> does any of you have experience with acl's or apparmor ?
[22:23] <ender-adam> macsplean: don't, openoffice is the old, try libre 3.5
[22:23] <TJ-> raul_p: Ahh OK, in which case you need to add "open_basedir = ..." to the php.ini for that user's fastcgi config
[22:23] <raul_p> did that
[22:23] <raul_p> but i still can read outside
[22:25] <raul_p> open_basedir	/home/test1/www/ … but fopen ( /etc/passwd ) works with no problem :)
[22:25] <macsplean> ender-adam: could you recommend me a method to install 3.5 if I am currently running 4?
[22:25] <DthZig> Anyone know what packages I can install to get the standard bluetooth setup on 13.04?
[22:26] <loadid_czech> maybe bluez DthZig?
[22:26] <loadid_czech> apt-get remove --purge bluez && apt-get install bluez
[22:26] <DthZig> Okay will try
[22:27] <raul_p> TJ-: /usr/bin/whoami => test1
[22:27] <raul_p> so i'm running as user
[22:27] <raul_p> so i really think i need to make the system to not let users in certain group to do anything
[22:29] <TJ-> raul_p: Have you made a temporary info.php file in that domain with "<?php phpinfo() ?>" ? Read that from a browser to check that the settings you think are set, actually are.
[22:29] <raul_p> yes they are
[22:29] <raul_p> plus exec whoami :)
[22:30] <F41L> Ok... having a bit of trouble with a package. I want to install proftpd with mysql support, but the package proftpd-mod-mysql doesn't have mod_sfto_sql.c
[22:30] <F41L> Is there a package in the repo that just has ALL of the modules included, and can be configured as needed?
[22:31] <F41L> mod_sftp_sql.c typo
[22:31] <bekks> F41L: There is no such package.
[22:31] <F41L> So... only choice I have is to not use the ubuntu repo and compile from source?
[22:32] <F41L> lovely
[22:32] <cvtsx> someone want to give me some movie suggestions?
[22:32] <MonkeyDust> cvtsx  wrong channel
[22:32] <SchrodingersScat> cvtsx: do a remake of citizen kane
[22:33] <DthZig> Yes that makes sense :) They already did a remake of Wrath of Khan and that was a success :)
[22:36] <JdpenseakaJoshDP> hmm
[22:36] <F41L> So how would I take proftpd-dev package and compile it with ALL modules included?
[22:36] <oilerff> .com
[22:38] <sam113101> HELP
[22:38] <JdpenseakaJoshDP> wow alot of ppl are quiting :P
[22:38] <sam113101> rhythmbox doesn't work
[22:39] <MonkeyDust> !details | sam113101
[22:39] <techlord> I have double checked and the PC I am trying to access has file sharing setup and can access it from other PC's but not this one, but I can get to my other PC's any ideas?
[22:39] <sam113101> MonkeyDust: I try to open it but nothing happens
[22:40] <basil_> Hi I upgraded to Ubuntu12.04 in the last fortnight. For the first time, trying to access the internet, and it tells me that a DNS lookup failed. I'm just a home user with a router - don't recall messing with DNS settings previously. May I please get any advice?
[22:40] <techlord> I keep getting unable to mount and failed to retieve share list
[22:41] <shomon> hi, how do you mount an hfsplus disk so it's writable?
[22:41] <shomon> it's a wd elements
[22:41] <oilerff> like this
[22:41] <shomon> external
[22:42] <shomon> I tried sudo mount -thfsplus /dev/sdb2 /media/hfsdrive
[22:44] <seoNinjaWarrior> i'm hoping someone can help, I'm using rsnapshot and it seems to complete successfully and yet do nothing http://pastebin.com/HmrGjrPL - that has my config, the output to the screen, and output to log file. I know this is ubuntu channel but I figured someone here would know how to fix this. I'm 2 hours in and about to pull out the rest of my hair
[22:46] <oilerff> The asking to answering ratio is imbalanced.
[22:47] <sam113101> I know, right?
[22:47] <rypervenche> Free is free.
[22:47] <techlord> It is a free open room it happens LOL
[22:48] <txt23> Is there a way to get the feel of Elemtry OS while still using Ubuntu?
[22:48] <loa> hello, what meen "The following packages have been kept back" when i do upgrade http://pastebin.com/pni82bNu
[22:49] <rypervenche> loa: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:50] <techlord> I have double checked and the PC I am trying to access has file sharing setup and can access it from other PC's but not this one, but I can get to my other PC's any ideas?
[22:50] <techlord> I keep getting unable to mount and failed to retieve share list
[22:52] <purpleleaf> techloard - is it nfs?
[22:52] <techlord> Yes
[22:53] <oilerff> techlord, don't PM me please
[22:53] <techlord> and I have accessed it before when I was using 10
[22:53] <techlord> soor
[22:53] <techlord> sorry
[22:53] <oilerff> my client said you attempted to PM me, but I can't see what you said so why don't you just ask me here
[22:54] <techlord> Sorry, still learning irc chat
[22:54] <zoned> i'm a total noob, and trying to reformat a drive. i don't know if it's the way i'm mounting it, or how i'm creating my partitions, or what.... but it keeps registering my 750GB drive as 134MB. anyone care to walk me through this? im pulling my hair out
[22:54] <techlord> I was just looking for help with my connecting to a PC on my network
[22:55] <techlord> I can get to all my other pc's but one
[22:55] <techlord> and it is killing me LOL
[22:55] <daftykins> techlord: whats being shared by what method between what OSs?
[22:55] <purpleleaf> what is in /etc/exports on the nfs server machine?
[22:55] <oilerff> I'm not proficient in Ubuntu, but generally you can get a better answer by posting your question on the channel than by PMing some random person
[22:55] <purpleleaf> If the other PC's can access, then is the ip/network/name/whatever not allows in /etc/exports?
[22:56] <techlord> Purpleleaf: I am getting this error when I go to the network folder
[22:56] <MonkeyDust> zoned  what's the output of    df -h ? use pastebin to show it to the channel
[22:56] <techlord> Oh I see
[22:56] <sealbhach> zoned: look at how it sees it in Gparted, the partition editor. Be careful not to change anything, just look for now
[22:56] <techlord> Sorry for my ignorance I can not even find how to connect with IP LOL
[22:57] <basil_> thanks guys....I'll try a little later
[22:57] <zoned> MonkeyDust: i just deleted the only partition and rebooted. so how should i mount it now? mount -t reiserfs /dev/disk/by-id/<the id> will make df -h show it as 134MB
[22:58] <demsad> Can someone help me? I use openvpn service vpnbook. I've configured everything the same as in the howto. It works fine, but i've got a problem. I can't close vpn connection. When i close terminal vpn still works. VPN closes only after system's restart. How can i close vpn?
[22:58] <MonkeyDust> zoned  not sure if reiserfs works well with ubuntu
[22:59] <TJ-> demsad: Is the openvpn client session defined as a system service, in "/etc/openvpn/" ?
[22:59] <zoned> its actually an unraid server, but #unraid is dead.... ubuntu is the only other linux exp i have so i thought i'd just come here :-/
[23:00] <kartoffelfreund> hello everybody... is someone fit in server maintenance? i have a little issue with my raspberryPI,a backup and a read only system
[23:00] <MonkeyDust> zoned  tip: there's also #ubuntu-server
[23:01] <kartoffelfreund> thanks for the hint... hope theyÄll help raspbian-users too ;)
[23:02] <TJ-> zoned: If the drive has no partitions defined you cannot mount it. You should create a new partition table with one or more partitions that use up the entire space on the drive, then use "mkfs.$FILESYSTEM_TYPE ... /dev/sdXY" to create the file-system in partition Y on drive X. *then* you can mount the file-system in /dev/sdXY
There is a folder 'openvpn" in /etc. Does it mean that openvpn client session defines as a system service?
[23:03] <zoned> TJ-: how can i create a partition if its not mounted?
[23:03] <dirdirdir> I've a problem with my internet connection, can someone pls help me?
[23:03] <zoned> fdisk?
[23:03] <TJ-> demsad: No, I was asking if you'd installed the client session config file to that location. If you did, that would imply it is a system session and would be expected to come up at boot-time and close at shutdown
[23:03] <MonkeyDust> zoned  create a partition, then mount that partition in a folder
[23:04] <TJ-> zoned: You do not partition a file-system, you partition a raw device. After partitioning you format each partition with a file-system, and then mount those file-systems
[23:04] <dirdirdir> Hello, can somebody help me?
[23:05] <bobby_> hello
[23:05] <oilerff> No one can help you! Mwahahaha
[23:05] <dirdirdir> Hi, booby_. I've a problem with my internet conection
[23:05] <dirdirdir> Oh my... :( :p
[23:05] <sealbhach> Who is boss, you or computer? Impose your will on it!
No, i haven't installed the client session config file
[23:05] <loa> rypervenche, thx, so why this happens?
[23:05] <loa> rypervenche, i don't upgrade totally my distro?
[23:05] <dirdirdir> Problem is, my wifi is working, and i can see my internet connection, but i can't click it.
[23:06] <TJ-> demsad: OK... how did you define the client session? Using NetworkManager from the nm-applet GUI on the desktop?
[23:06] <dirdirdir> I've no access to my internet connection, which is laying there ahead, laughing at me.
[23:06] <sealbhach> dirdirdir, have you checked all available drivers have been installed?
 I write in terminal: openvpn --config vpnbook-euro1-udp25000.ovpn
[23:07] <dirdirdir> sealbhach, I checked my "additional drivers" at "software &..." Is that enough?
[23:08] <TJ-> demsad: Ahh OK. In which case you have started an openvpn process which continues running in the background. You'll need to send it the TERM signal using something like this: "sudo kill -TERM $(pidof openvpn)"
[23:09] <zoned> TJ-: ok, fdisk -l shows my disk as 750G - so now what should i do?
[23:09] <javanic> hello all
[23:09] <reisio> 'lo javanic
[23:10] <TJ-> zoned: Create a partition table with at least one (n)ew partition, and (w)rite it to disk, then "mkfs.$FILESYSTEM_TYPE ..." the new partition
[23:10] <sealbhach> dirdirdir: it's best you have a wired ethernet connection, to make sure you can download any wireless drivers that might be needed
[23:10] <jan> hi
[23:10] <jan> i installed ubuntu 13.04
[23:11] <MonkeyDust> !partition | zoned take a look this to get familiar with partitioning
[23:11] <Guest38481> i used a new ssd and installed the os on a lvm partiton
[23:11] <Guest38481> how can i enable hibernate?
[23:11] <dirdirdir> Sealbhach: I do have one. How do i search them? Do I have to search for them one by one manually?
[23:11] <Guest38481> and create a swap partiton
[23:12] <zoned> okay, i've got one primary partition on the disk, wrote it. where do i run mkfs?
[23:12] <javanic> anyone ever have any issues with an install on a laptop?
[23:12] <sealbhach> There should be something in "Hardware Drivers" that will fetch the driver for you, just make sure you select it by clicking on it
[23:12] <bezaban> javanic: it can happen yes
[23:13] <oilerff> javanic, not me
[23:13] <zoned> mkfs /dev/sdX ?
[23:13] <Tylertwo> javanic: I've had installs work well on 2 different laptops
[23:13] <javanic> how do you make it red when you talk directly to me?
[23:13] <sealbhach> dirdirdir: Unless you have a very weird or rare wireless card, it should be easy to get it working
[23:13] <bezaban> javanic: it's your client highlighting your name
[23:13] <bezaban> noone else sees that :)
[23:14] <javanic> i installed it and it won't update.. i have a feeling it has something to do with a driver. but i'm not sure
[23:14] <javanic> the wifi also doesn't seem to work
[23:14] <javanic> running slow
[23:14] <dirdirdir> Sealchach: Well, i got my card supposedly working, do you think it isn't alredy giving me it's full service? (anyway, i'm doing as you have told me first)
[23:15] <zoned> i did "mkfs -t reiserfs /dev/sdc0" and got "Stat of the device '/dev/sdc0' failed"
Thank you! It works fine.
[23:15] <TJ-> zoned: partition numbers start at 1 :)
[23:15] <TJ-> zoned: check with "ls /dev/sdc*"
[23:16] <sealbhach> dirdirdir: You might have to reboot to get it fully loaded and working the first time
[23:17] <dirdirdir> Sealbhach: damn, now that's something i really don't know how to do.
[23:18] <mrrcp> trickle did not work :(
[23:19] <javanic> anyone know what would cause a new install to not want to update?
[23:19] <mrrcp> javanic: ?
[23:19] <mrrcp> more details?
[23:19] <genii> javanic: Perhaps it was not connected to a network during install and so has only the contents of the install CD in it's sources.list
[23:19] <zoned> TJ-: got it! thanks dude
[23:20] <javanic> it wasn't connected to the internet during install.. but it is now, and i even booted from the install disk and didn't do anyting. just froze up
[23:22] <javanic> genii: is there any way to re install from the cd, i booted from it again and it didn't do anyting but freeze up
[23:22] <oilerff> reinstall then
[23:23] <sealbhach> javanic: have you enough space on the disk to download and install updates?
[23:23] <javanic> sealbhach: yes, the hard drive was wiped prior to this install
 i don't mind re installing.. it would probably be easier, but when i tried it just froze up on me
 with network connected that it
[23:25] <javanic> is*
[23:26] <sealbhach> Don't know, must be a network problem, maybe you can select a different server during the install process?
 i wasn't connected to a network during the install process
[23:28] <owdjaodopj> How do I prevent wifi from auto connecting after signing in + if a network goes down... it's automatically connecting to other networks\reconnecting... errrrr
[23:29] <xyzone> owdjaodopj, delete those other networks
[23:29] <owdjaodopj> ..................
[23:29] <xyzone> from network manager configs
[23:30] <xyzone> or uncheck the 'connect automatically' box
[23:33] <udon> I found the "Unity Tweak Tool." Is that basically the only option to configure Unity?
[23:34] <reisio> primary GUI option, AFAIK
[23:36] <MonkeyDust> udon  take a look at dconf-editor, inside it, use ctrl-f to look for unity
[23:36] <udon> will do, thanks MonkeyDust
[23:50] <Tahdas> Hi
[23:50] <Tahdas> Can you see this?
[23:50] <Dwarf> Yes.
[23:50] <mrrcp> [yes
[23:50] <Tahdas> Ok
[23:50] <Dwarf> Are you an alien?
[23:50] <mrrcp> whats up
[23:50] <Tahdas> So i have tow options to boot from
[23:50] <mrrcp> anyone use CT
[23:50] <Tahdas> Uefi sandisk cruzer etc
[23:51] <Tahdas> Or the same thing whiteout uefi n front of it
[23:51] <Tahdas> Yes I a,
[23:51] <mrrcp> tc
[23:51] <Tahdas> I am an alien
[23:51] <Dwarf> kk
[23:56] <AnAlien> Hello can u see me
[23:56] <Dwarf> Yes.
[23:56] <AnAlien> Ok
[23:56] <AnAlien>
[23:56] <mrrcp> ?
[23:56] <cgtdk> !offtopic
[23:56] <mrrcp> wat
[23:56] <AnAlien> Ok I have two boot options
[23:57] <loa> sometimes i see running such command from nobody find / -ignore_readdir_race ( ~t/mount$\) ) -prune -o -print0
[23:57] <mrrcp> !offtopic | cgtdk
[23:57] <loa> what is it?
[23:57] <AnAlien> One is uefi and the other is not
[23:57] <loa> it is making really many ios
[23:57] <reisio> loa: it's searching your entire FS for files
[23:57] <loa> and for what?
[23:57] <AnAlien> Well three options one is windows
[23:57] <mrrcp> !uefi
[23:57] <AnAlien> Im trying to boot off a USB drive
[23:58] <reisio> loa: for everything, it looks like
[23:58] <reisio> loa: it's making a list of every file
[23:58] <reisio> loa: minus the readdir stuff
[23:58] <loa> looks like like it is for mlocate
[23:58] <reisio> ah, quite possible
[23:58] <loa> reisio, ^^
[23:58] <reisio> pgrep -l updatedb
[23:58] <AnAlien> So i should pick the uefi option?
[23:58] <reisio> sudo crontab -l | grep -i update
[23:59] <reisio> AnAlien: 'not'?
[23:59] <reisio> it says 'not'?
[23:59] <AnAlien> UEFI: sandisk cruzer glide 1.26
[23:59] <AnAlien> Or sandisk cruzer guide 1.26
[23:59] <reisio> AnAlien: interesting
[23:59] <AnAlien> Not? Huh?


[10:19] <_Sponge> dholbach: Morning ! Looking forward to the next Q&A - Ubuntu Tablet Qu's cud be fun !
[10:21] <dholbach> _Sponge: we should probably try to invite an expert for one of those :)
[10:27] <_Sponge> dholbach: Maybe someone from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clf4Dvy-x4w
[15:06] <Hunly> Joined
[15:25] <Hunly> Hi
[15:25] <Hunly> Is anyone here?