[00:29] <faded0ne> hello, im new to kde and kubuntu. i am trying to install a some c++ ides like geany and kdevelop I cant get the programs to see the compiler can someone help
[01:15] <julio> olap
[01:15] <julio> ai alguien
[01:44] <aidrocsid> How can I disable touchpad drivers within kubuntu without a usable mouse?
[02:47] <darthanubis> anyone got their google calendar to sybc with PIM?
[03:10] <frogonwheels> darthanubis: I have before .. think I just used the ical
[03:41] <vinylfreak89> i upgraded VMWare Workstation to 7.1.3 today and my mouse stopped working (both with and without VMWare Tools installed). I tried reinstalling kubntu over top of it self twice with no luck, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times and still nothing. when i boot the live CD the mouse works perfectly. how can I force my installed Kubuntu to redetect the VMware mouse? A clean install is not an option
[03:54] <vinylfreak89>  i upgraded VMWare Workstation to 7.1.3 today and my mouse stopped working (both with and without VMWare Tools installed). I tried reinstalling kubntu over top of it self twice with no luck, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times and still nothing. when i boot the live CD the mouse works perfectly. how can I force my installed Kubuntu to redetect the VMware mouse? A clean install is not an option
[04:02] <faded> hey
[04:02] <vinylfreak89> hi
[04:04] <faded> hey im new to linux, im coming from windows, what kind of steps do i need to take for security
[04:04] <faded> fw/av
[04:05] <valorie> faded, linux is generally very secure for average use
[04:05] <vinylfreak89> linux gets very few viruses, but if you want to be extra safe install kaspersky or linux or something similar
[04:05] <vinylfreak89> *for
[04:05] <valorie> I'm behind a router, and don't do anything special beyond not clicking on suspicious links
[04:06] <vinylfreak89> firewall, read up on iptables and for extra security use the APF firewall but that is generall more often used on the server side
[04:33] <meoblast001> hi
[04:34] <meoblast001> how do you have audio in played out audio out in KDE?
[04:34] <meoblast001> i've done this in GNOME before, but recently switched to KDE
[04:41] <gorgonzola> hello all! i'm trying to get my iphone to work with amarok, running maverick. someone in the amarok forum mentioned that the version of libmobiledevice0 in the lucid repos did the trick for him. how do i revert from the version in maverick to the version in lucid without farking up my repos?
[04:41] <valorie> I don't understand your question
[04:41] <gorgonzola> woa. that was some fast un-understanding :S
[04:41] <valorie> lol
[04:41] <valorie> since I hadn't read your question yet, gorgonzola
[04:41] <valorie> i was talking to meoblast001
[04:42] <meoblast001> oh, sorry
[04:42] <gorgonzola> yes, i figured, just joking. :P
[04:42] <meoblast001> basically, i have something running into my mic port
[04:42] <meoblast001> and then my headphones
[04:42] <gorgonzola> i think he wants to know if its possible to make audio out play whatever comes in through audio in.
[04:42] <valorie> gorgonzola: you might get a better answer in #kubuntu or #ubuntu
[04:42] <meoblast001> i want to hear the incoming audio on the mic port out my headphones
[04:42] <valorie> I don't know
[04:42] <valorie> ah
[04:42] <meoblast001> in gnome i was able to do that by raising the level of "Line In", or some channel like that
[04:42] <gorgonzola> i am in kubuntu right?
[04:43] <gorgonzola> i'll ask in ubuntu too... thanks.
[04:43] <valorie> gorgonzola: how to manage the repos will be the same
[04:43] <valorie> meoblast001: supposedly you can route sound with pulseaudio
[04:44] <valorie> using pavucontrol
[04:44] <vinylfreak89>  i upgraded VMWare Workstation to 7.1.3 today and my mouse stopped working (both with and without VMWare Tools installed). I tried reinstalling kubntu over top of it self twice with no luck, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times and still nothing. when i boot the live CD the mouse works perfectly. how can I force my installed Kubuntu to redetect the VMware mouse? A clean install is not an option
[04:44] <valorie> but I've never tried it
[04:44] <gorgonzola> yes, you are right, thanks valorie
[04:44] <valorie> oh, lord, sorry
[04:44] <valorie> geez
[04:44] <valorie> I thought I was in #amarok
[04:44] <valorie> lol
[04:44] <valorie> sorry!
[04:44] <gorgonzola> ...
[04:44] <vinylfreak89> lolz
[04:44] <valorie> DUH
[04:44] <gorgonzola> yeah, i thougth i aws in kde when you said that :P
[04:45] <invisiblek> vinylfreak89, switch to virtualbox!
[04:45] <invisiblek> :P
[04:45] <vinylfreak89> stop it you
[04:45] <valorie> well, I would have just stayed silent if I had realized what chan this was, sorry for the noise!
[04:45]  * meoblast001 has pavucontrol open
[04:45] <vinylfreak89> you come here just to troll me
[04:45] <meoblast001> i don't see anything for routing sound
[04:45] <invisiblek> lol
[04:45] <invisiblek> im interested in what is going on too, im not really a fan of the new way that X works
[04:46] <invisiblek> but thats probably mostly because i dont understand it
[04:46] <vinylfreak89> agreed
[04:47] <meoblast001> what's the other pulse audio controller application?
[04:48] <valorie> kmix is supposed to do it, but I haven't had good luck
[04:48] <valorie> and there is vox something
[04:48] <meoblast001> *sigh*
[04:50] <meoblast001> wasn't there some Qt pulse controller?
[04:50] <meoblast001> with "q" in its name
[04:53] <valorie> hmmm, not finding what I want
[05:17] <azzubayr> Bonjour
[05:17] <azzubayr> Hi there !
[05:24] <azzubayr> bye everybody
[06:45] <silv3r_m00n> hi thre
[06:46] <silv3r_m00n> is there a good desktop widget or popup/notfier kind of thing which can notify of gmails for multiple accounts
[06:53] <valorie> there is a mail notifier
[06:53] <valorie> look in kpackagekit
[06:53] <valorie> if you double-click, you'll get a longer description of the app below
[08:24] <jragon> Hello.
[08:24] <dhq> is there a better system monitor than gkrellmd
[08:25] <valorie> yes, that's a Gnome mon
[08:25] <valorie> the widgets are great
[08:25] <dhq> valorie: i use kde
[08:25] <valorie> and systemmonitor is excellent also
[08:25] <valorie> right
[08:26] <valorie> hmm, is that the right name?
[08:26] <dhq> valorie: is systemmonitor in the repos
[08:26] <valorie> system monitor
[08:27] <valorie> alt+f2 will get you krunner
[08:27] <valorie> system monitor and up it will pop
[08:27] <valorie> if you prefer text
[08:27] <dhq> i am getting system monitor downloaded
[08:27] <valorie> otherwise, the widgets
[08:27] <valorie> are great
[08:29] <dhq> valorie: i got it in stalled  but i have to keep choosing the different tabs
[08:29] <dhq> i want something to look on the go
[08:31] <valorie> then you want the widgets
[08:32] <valorie> Temp, CPU, and Network are the ones I have installed
[08:32] <valorie> I think there are others also
[09:26] <m0RrE> i've got the exact same problem with my three monitors as the guy posting here: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=89806#p167948
[09:26] <m0RrE> ideas?
[09:26] <m0RrE> "Problem with twinview and 3 monitors"
[09:57] <bicho> anyone here?
[09:57] <bicho> i have a doubt how do i register a channel?
[09:57] <valorie> hmmm, you might ask in #freenode
[09:57] <valorie> or do you want an Ubuntu chan?
[09:58] <valorie> in which case I think it's #ubuntu-ops
[09:59] <bicho> ok ty
[10:43] <juk> hi, so desktop search, how it works, from kickoff menu?
[10:46] <Riddell> juk: kickoff doesn't have desktop search integrated
[10:46] <juk> i mean how do i try search
[10:47] <Riddell> use Dolphin
[10:48] <juk> Riddell: what is input field bellow my name labeled `search` in kickoff menu for?
[10:52] <juk> i think i figured myself, that one is for menu search
[10:54] <juk> Riddell: thanks
[10:57] <juk> so is there any panel volume control thing?
[10:58] <juk> i meant attached to panel
[11:03] <valorie> kmix
[11:03] <valorie> it's a widget in the panel
[11:05] <juk> valorie: i don't have it
[11:10] <valorie> you can add widgets easily
[11:10] <valorie> that one won't have to be downloaded, just added from the "cashew"
[11:10] <valorie> sec
[11:15] <valorie> sorry, my old dog is demanding
[11:15] <juk> valorie: i don't see it for download either
[11:15] <valorie> lol
[11:15] <valorie> as I say, you do not need to download it
[11:15] <valorie> it is one of the included widgets in plasma desktop
[11:16] <valorie> click the cashew and +add widgets
[11:16] <valorie> and either scroll until you see it, or search for it
[11:16] <juk> valorie: sorry, what is cashew
[11:23] <juk> valorie: probably we have different versions of plasma desktop
[11:26] <valorie> kmix is standard
[11:26] <valorie> has been for quite awhile
[11:26] <valorie> oh, the cashew is the little curled shape to the bottom right and top right of your screen
[11:26] <valorie> click that for more choices
[11:27] <valorie> that's the way you control plasma
[11:29] <juk> valorie: no math for kmix there
[11:29] <juk> match*
[11:34] <valorie> right, it just might be volume control or something like that
[11:35] <juk> valorie: thanks for explaining cashew
[11:35] <valorie> it's a little speaker with waves coming out the right side
[11:35] <valorie> if that helps you find it
[11:35] <valorie> maybe just called volume
[11:35] <valorie> but it's the widget controlling kmix
[11:36] <valorie> funny, it doesn't have the app name anywhere
[11:36] <valorie> that's a bit of bad design, for sure
[11:36] <valorie> anyway, I'm off to bed
[11:36] <valorie> best of luck finding what you need....
[11:37] <juk> valorie: thanks, good night
[11:39] <wen>  dsf
[11:39] <wen> hellp
[11:40] <tristan3199us1> so i usually use gnome.. i just wanted to try kubuntu.. and it worked fine the first time.. now i have this huge annoying black square in the way of the bottomof my screen.. what can i do
[11:43] <tristan3199us1> where is everyone
[11:44] <cuznt> i went crazy
[11:45] <i5noc> tristan3199us1, what cha need
[11:45] <i5noc> ffs
[11:52] <tristan3199us1> isnt there supposed to be a tool bar on the bottom of my screen also.. i think its missing
[11:55] <tristan3199us1> how do i access my apps
[13:22] <shahan> I have installed kubuntu on my Maverick (ubuntu)
[13:25] <shahan> in ubuntu there I got the Drive by clicking on PLACES
[13:25] <shahan> but in kubuntu I am not getting this type of things
[13:26] <shahan> how can I browse my NTFS drives there in KDE environment
[13:26] <shahan> ?
[13:31] <tsimpson> shahan: look in dolphin, there should be a list of places on the left side
[13:33] <shahan> tsimpson, hmm tnx
[13:34] <shahan> but I am looking for something like the list as shown in GNOME
[13:34] <shahan> is it possible?
[14:02] <vinylfreak89>  i upgraded VMWare Workstation to 7.1.3 today and my mouse stopped working (both with and without VMWare Tools installed). I tried reinstalling kubntu over top of it self twice with no luck, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times and still nothing. when i boot the live CD the mouse works perfectly. how can I force my installed Kubuntu to redetect the VMware mouse? A clean install is not an option
[14:31] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> my kubuntu=10.10, kde=4.5.4 , kernel=2.6.35-23. i think my current kernel has some regression, bluetooth is not working properly, checked it with the previous version(2.6.35-22) bluetooth works fine. does kde 4.5.4 depend on 2.6.35-23 and is it safe to uninstall the kernel 2.6.35-23 and its headers
[14:36] <phoenix_firebrd> help
[14:36] <kirthi> how do i check the satus of website periodically??  Is there any application for this in KDE????
[14:37] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: does the webpage support rss
[14:37] <kirthi> no
[14:37] <amichair> kirthi: what do you mean by 'status'?
[14:38] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: there is a widget to display a webpage , it may help you
[14:38] <kirthi> i mean if the site is low or the server
[14:38] <kirthi> how to check that
[14:38] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: oh
[14:39] <amichair> I still don't understand the question - what's low? what's your definition of a site vs. a server?
[14:39] <phoenix_firebrd> help please
[14:39] <phoenix_firebrd> yeah
[14:40] <kirthi> it means the website and server...which is slow or not responding
[14:41] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi:you can use google chrome's inspect elements to check if a page element takes a lot of time to load
[14:42] <kirthi> hmm
[14:42] <amichair> kirthi: there are online tools and browser plugins (firebug, pagespeed) that measure the response times for each http request in a browser session... would that help you determine where you're losing time?
[14:43] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: if there is no problem with webage, try to browse the webpage using a anonymous proxy to see if there is a problem with your isp's router
[14:44] <kirthi> ya i guess it would help...but...i was thinking are there any tools or applications in the KDE to check this?
[14:44] <vinylfreak89>  i upgraded VMWare Workstation to 7.1.3 today and my mouse stopped working (both with and without VMWare Tools installed). I tried reinstalling kubntu over top of it self twice with no luck, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times and still nothing. when i boot the live CD the mouse works perfectly. how can I force my installed Kubuntu to redetect the VMware mouse? A clean install is not an option
[14:44] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: you can use tracert to see what server in between is taking much time
[14:44] <amichair> kirthi: not specific to KDE, as far as I know
[14:44] <kirthi> ok
[14:45] <phoenix_firebrd> !traceroute
[14:45] <amichair> kirthi: but of course any browser plugin, online service, or command line utility will work just fine under KDE as well...
[14:45] <kirthi> ohh
[14:46] <kirthi> i think i have to install that
[14:46] <kirthi> in my pc
[14:46] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: one that specific webpage is slower or one than one?
[14:47] <amichair> guys, you're not making any sense :-P
[14:47] <kirthi> that is what i am not getting...is there a problem with my website or from the server
[14:47] <kirthi> i want to make sure that which one is slow
[14:47] <phoenix_firebrd> sorry
[14:47] <kirthi> ok
[14:47] <kirthi> NP
[14:48] <amichair> kirthi: can you describe your situation better? do you have your own website/webapp hosted on a remote server, and you're not sure if the host or your app is slow?
[14:48] <kirthi> ya i do have it on the remote server..
[14:49] <kirthi> but i am not sure which is at fault the server or the webpage
[14:49] <amichair> kirthi: are there other websites on that server you can compare with?
[14:49] <kirthi> yes
[14:49] <kirthi> but they are all not in the same pace
[14:50] <kirthi> some are running fast and some are slow
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: i think there are ways to test the quality of a server online, wait let me check that for you
[14:50] <kirthi> ok sure
[14:50] <amichair> here's one I just found: http://www.octagate.com/service/SiteTimer/
[14:51] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: http://www.vertain.com/?sst
[14:51] <kirthi> ok
[14:52] <phoenix_firebrd> my kubuntu=10.10, kde=4.5.4 , kernel=2.6.35-23. i think my current kernel has some regression, bluetooth is not working properly, checked it with the previous version(2.6.35-22) bluetooth works fine. does kde 4.5.4 depend on 2.6.35-23 and is it safe to uninstall the kernel 2.6.35-23 and its headers
[14:53] <phoenix_firebrd> help
[14:54] <phoenix_firebrd> any one here
[14:54] <kirthi> ok..thanks u very much Phoenix and amichair
[14:54] <amichair> phoenix_firebrd: sorry I don't know the answer to that :-/
[14:54] <kirthi> i got the solutiom
[14:54] <phoenix_firebrd> amichair: ok
[14:54] <kirthi> solution
[14:54] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: what
[14:54] <kirthi> .thanks u very much Phoenix and amichair
[14:54] <amichair> kirthi: what did you find?
[14:55] <phoenix_firebrd> kirthi: ya what was the solution
[14:55] <vinylfreak89> i upgraded VMWare Workstation to 7.1.3 today and my mouse stopped working (both with and without VMWare Tools installed). I tried reinstalling kubntu over top of it self twice with no luck, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times and still nothing. when i boot the live CD the mouse works perfectly. how can I force my installed Kubuntu to redetect the VMware mouse? A clean install is not an option
[14:56] <kirthi> i got to know that my site is slow as well as the server...coz other page like FB and google are fast
[14:56] <kirthi> and there is lot of traffic involved in my server
[14:56] <kirthi> so both are getting slow
[14:57] <amichair> kirthi: if you use e.g. the pagespeed plugin, it will help you analyze what's slow and suggest solutions. It's a great tool for web development.
[14:58] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: did you try starting the os without the xorg.conf file?
[14:58] <kirthi> ohh
[14:58] <vinylfreak89> there is no Xorg.conf file
[14:58] <kirthi> i will try it
[14:58] <vinylfreak89> its using the new Xorg 7.3
[14:59] <amichair> vinylfreak89: I don't know if this is your case, but there was a nasty bug causing mouse trouble for a bunch of wireless models, fixed in the latest kernel update - are you all up to date?
[14:59] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: is your mouse usb or ps/2
[14:59] <vinylfreak89> its a touchpad
[15:00] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: previously was it working fine?
[15:00] <vinylfreak89> until i upgraded to 7.1.3
[15:00] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: what is the kernel version
[15:00] <vinylfreak89> 2.6.35-23
[15:00] <vinylfreak89> i was thinking it might be a kernel probelm
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: i am having problem with the kernel too. bluetooth is not working properly for me
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: does xorg 7
[15:01] <vinylfreak89> well i booted to -22
[15:01] <vinylfreak89> and same issue
[15:01] <vinylfreak89> i even went back to .32
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: oh
[15:01] <vinylfreak89> same issue
[15:01] <FloodBotK1> vinylfreak89: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:01] <vinylfreak89> lmao... i always use enter as punctuation
[15:02] <vinylfreak89> what was your question about Xorg7?
[15:03] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: did you try using 2.6.37-x?
[15:03] <vinylfreak89> nope is it in the repos?
[15:03] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: is your mouse detected?
[15:03] <vinylfreak89> how can i determine that
[15:04] <vinylfreak89> if it doesn't move im going to assume no
[15:06] <vinylfreak89> i suppose booting verbose would be a good idea... can't believe i didn't think of that
[15:07] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89:try this "xinput list"
[15:07] <vinylfreak89> ok
[15:07] <vinylfreak89> hang on
[15:07] <vinylfreak89> VM is booting
[15:09] <vinylfreak89> virtualcore printer and virtualcore keyboard, no mouse
[15:10] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: try this "cat /proc/bus/input/devices"
[15:10] <vinylfreak89> power button
[15:10] <vinylfreak89> and keyboard
[15:10] <vinylfreak89> no mouse
[15:12] <vinylfreak89> btw phoenix_firebird tyvm for your help
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: see if this page helps you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: yw
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[15:13] <vinylfreak89> ok
[15:14] <christian__> detected a problem with kmail
[15:15] <christian__> kmail seems to eat my memory (2.9 GB)
[15:15] <christian__> is there a known bug?
[15:22] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: can you try the latest xorg server
[15:23] <vinylfreak89> im using whatever was installed with kubuntu
[15:23] <kirthi> dude go to settings and aloot the memory options
[15:24] <vinylfreak89> i looked thru the link you sent me and it looks like the problem isn't with X necessarily.. the mouse isn't being detected at all by udev
[15:25] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: oh
[15:25] <vinylfreak89> so i guess the question becomes how can i force udev to redetect it?
[15:26] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: thats out of my knowledge buddy ,sorry.
[15:26] <vinylfreak89> no problem
[15:26] <vinylfreak89> thanks for your help
[15:26] <vinylfreak89> i think i know better what the issue is now
[15:26] <phoenix_firebrd> good
[15:29] <phoenix_firebrd> i am trying to remove a kernel it is asking me to remove linux-generic. is it safe to remove it?
[15:29] <vinylfreak89> as long as you have another working kernel
[15:30] <phoenix_firebrd> vinylfreak89: ok
[16:31] <MariusKarthaus> Hi, is it possible to get klipper back to it's usefull function of being able to search in your history by just typing again in kubuntu 10.10 ?
[16:33] <MariusKarthaus> klipper lost it's most usefull function it seems :(
[16:41] <Snowhog> MariusKarthaus: "by just typing again" in what?
[16:42] <MariusKarthaus> in the 'old' kubutu you clicked on klipper and your history popped up. You just started typing a subtring of what you were looking for in your history and klipper would automatically filter it's selection options to your substring
[18:11] <metallico> guys, how do you get the interactive globe wallpaper in kubuntu. I dont have an "globe" option in the wallpaper type for some reason
[18:20] <shahan> how to shutown the KDE ?
[18:20] <shahan> not getting any option
[18:20] <m0RrE> sudo shutdown -h now
[18:21] <shahan> m0RrE, ya this I know
[18:21] <shahan> but looking for graphical
[18:21] <m0RrE> the option "leave" should be in the kde-menu on your panel
[18:32] <shahan> m0RrE, ya , but on Leave I dont get the option for shutdown
[18:44] <DiogenesW> servus
[18:44] <barbadillo> just to say that i'm removing kubuntu-desktop replacing it with ubuntu-desktop
[18:44] <barbadillo> because of kde4 is too heavy nearly unusable
[18:56] <cyberghost> Can anyone help me... I have Kubuntu 10.10 and for some reason I can't install firefox
[18:57] <Snowhog> cyberghost: Is your 10.10 a new install?
[18:57] <cyberghost> yes
[18:57] <Snowhog> Are you using the Firefox Installer that is in the K Menu?
[18:58] <cyberghost> i tried it, the one listed under internet, it was the browser setup
[18:58] <cyberghost> it did not work
[18:58] <Snowhog> cyberghost: Firefox is a browser. When you say it did not work, what happened, or didn't happen?
[18:58] <cyberghost> and i've tried to get it via command line and nothing happened... said something about the source is temorarily unavailable or something
[18:59] <xoma> reboot will help you)))
[18:59] <xoma> i think...
[19:00] <xoma> firefox normally installed on my desktop after reboot
[19:00] <cyberghost> I don't know what to do, I'm very new to linux
[19:00] <cyberghost> thing is, i deleted it and now i'm trying to find it again
[19:00] <cyberghost> lol
[19:01] <Snowhog> cyberghost: The Firefox Installer does work. If you ran it, Firefox should be installed. Reboot and then check the K > Internet menu again.
[19:02] <cyberghost> @Snowhog, where can I obtain the proper pacakge of firefox that can be installed on my system?
[19:02] <cyberghost> I deleted the one undernet the internet menu beings it would not install last time
[19:03] <Snowhog> cyberghost: That is what the Firefox Installer does - it installs Firefox Web Browser on your system. It is that simple.
[19:03] <Snowhog> cyberghost: REBOOT. Please. Then check again in K Menu > Internet. Firefox should be there.
[19:03] <cyberghost> Understand that but I no longer of the installer because I deleted it.
[19:04] <xoma> cyberghost are you russian?
[19:04] <cyberghost> okay
[19:04] <cyberghost> will do
[19:04] <cyberghost> thanks
[19:04] <cyberghost> negative
[19:04] <DarthFrog> No need to reboot.  Log out then log back in again.
[19:05] <cyberghost> I will try that, brb
[19:05] <Snowhog> Newbies. You gota love 'em, and remember that we were once them too. :)
[19:06] <DiogenesW> of course we were
[19:06] <DarthFrog> Newbies are the primary reason this channel exists. :-)
[19:06] <DiogenesW> calls for tolerance
[19:06] <Snowhog> and patience.
[19:07] <xoma> who tried to run ragnarok online under wine?
[19:08] <cyberghost> reboot didn't work
[19:08] <cyberghost> oh wait, let me check the trash
[19:08] <xoma> sudo apt-get install firefox
[19:09] <DarthFrog> cyberghost: Are you willing to do some command line work?
[19:10] <cyberghost> i will try that
[19:11] <cyberghost> @Darth, I'm down for anything... I would just like to install FF because the default browser stinks
[19:12] <cyberghost> xoma, seems to bet grabbing the file
[19:12] <cyberghost> never worked before m8
[19:12] <cyberghost> lol
[19:13] <cyberghost> I hope I can get Kubuntu to work the way I want it because I have grown to Hate Windows OS's
[19:13] <DarthFrog> cyberghost: You will. :-)
[19:13] <cyberghost> =)
[19:13] <cyberghost> Darth, gimme a minute to see if this method works for me
[19:14] <DarthFrog> cyberghost: If you're doing "sudo apt-get install firefox", it should work.  Afterwards, "dpkg --list | grep firefox" will tell you if it's installed.
[19:22] <DarthFrog> cyberghost: Well?   Are you enjoying the delights of Firefox now?
[19:22] <cyberghost> It's still downloading, My internet is extremely slow but that will be taken care of in a day or so...
[19:23] <cyberghost> at least there is proof its in the mix lol
[19:23] <DarthFrog> You will likely want to install flash-plugin also.  Or perhaps not if you've got a slow net connection.
[19:23] <xoma> о_0 GPRS?
[19:23] <cyberghost> i'm happy to see the sudo command working finally
[19:24] <cyberghost> lol, it says 1hr 53 min for download
[19:24] <DarthFrog> Ouch!
[19:24] <cyberghost> yep
[19:25] <xoma> and how many do you pay for THAT?
[19:25] <cyberghost> been contending with the free wifi at the motel i stay at and its terrible
[19:25] <cyberghost> when i get clear, it will be 50 bucks a month
[19:26] <xoma> for what speed?
[19:26] <cyberghost> it says 4g
[19:26] <cyberghost> clear offers 4g hotspot access
[19:27] <Guest22033> hi
[19:27] <cyberghost> when they say 4g i wonder if they are refering to wimax? or that just a protocol?
[19:27] <Guest22033> I have a question about ubuntu
[19:27] <xoma> russian people pay 50 bucks for 10-100mbit in different regions...
[19:28] <cyberghost> nice!
[19:28] <DarthFrog> cyberghost: 4G is a protocol for cell phone internet/data access.
[19:28] <cyberghost> I will run a speed test when I get it and let you know
[19:28] <Guest22033> what is the difference between ubuntu and debian because I use the same command line for them
[19:28] <Guest22033> ?
[19:29] <DarthFrog> cyberghost: Be careful.  Your use is likely metered.
[19:29] <Snowhog> Guest22033: Ubuntu is based on Debian.
[19:29] <DarthFrog> Guest22033: Ubuntu is Debian, developed for the desktop.
[19:29] <Guest22033> ok
[19:29] <DarthFrog> Guest22033: But it is not part of the Debian distribution, it is a separate endeavour.
[19:30] <Guest22033> ok
[19:30] <Guest22033> thx
[19:30] <Snowhog> cyberghost: What you will want to know, is how much - per month - bandwidth you will be getting for your $50.00, and how much extra you will be charged when you go over that limit.
[19:30] <DarthFrog> Guest22033: Ubuntu takes Debian, adds its own special sauce :-) and makes an easy to use distribution  Debian is many things but it is not easy to use.
[19:31] <Guest22033> yep it's true
[19:32] <dereine_> hi when i try to login into kde, i got logged out again
[19:32] <dereine_> my kdm log is here: http://pastebin.com/jWMDJ6NZ
[19:32] <dereine_> i think IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[19:32] <dereine_>  isn't that good
[19:32] <DarthFrog> Guest22033: Also, Ubuntu can use a number of different desktop environments.  The default environment is GNOME (GNU Network Object Model Environment).  Kubuntu (which is what this channel is about) uses the much superior :-) KDE Software Compilation.
[19:33] <dereine_> any kind of help would be cool
[19:33] <DarthFrog> Guest22033:  Which desktop environment you use (GNOME, KDE, XfCE or L???) is a matter of personal choice.
[19:34] <Guest22033> ok
[19:34] <DarthFrog> !lubuntu
[19:34] <acemo> has anyone played a full hd video without frame skippings using an ati hd5000 series graphics card?
[19:34] <DarthFrog> acemo: All the time.
[19:34] <acemo> DarthFrog: why isn't it working for me?!
[19:34] <Guest22033> I don't know
[19:35] <DarthFrog> acemo: You're special?  <grinning, ducking and running>
[19:35] <Guest22033> can I use a command line to sit it ?
[19:35] <acemo> DarthFrog: how do you play full hd movies?
[19:35] <Guest22033> to see it
[19:36] <DarthFrog> acemo: I've not done that.  Just videos and YouTube.
[19:36] <DarthFrog> In 1080p, though.
[19:36] <DarthFrog> Guest22033: To see what?
[19:37] <Guest22033> the environnement I mean Kde or gnome ?
[19:37] <DarthFrog> Guest22033: If you're running Ubuntu, you're in GNOME.  If you're running Kubuntu, you're in KDE.
[19:38] <Guest22033> ok I am running Ubuntu
[19:38] <acemo> DarthFrog: full hd youtube works... wtb..
[19:38] <Guest22033> thx DarthFrog
[19:39] <DarthFrog> Guest22033:  "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" will install KDE side-by-side GNOME if you want to try it out.  You can select which desktop environoment to run from the graphical login screen.
[19:40] <DarthFrog> Guest22033: "apt-cache search kubuntu" will tell you all what's available to install  for KDE/Kubuntu.
[19:40] <Guest22033> ok what is kubuntu ?
[19:41] <acemo> ubuntu with kde
[19:41] <DarthFrog> !kubuntu
[19:41] <Guest22033> ok
[19:41] <DarthFrog> Guest22033: You're currently chatting in the Kubuntu support channel.
[19:42] <DarthFrog> !gnome
[19:42] <Guest22033> ya
[19:43] <DarthFrog> dereine_: Does that behaviour survive a reboot?
[19:44] <dereine_> DarthFrog, sadly yes
[19:44] <dereine_> DarthFrog, already tryed to move .kde to .kde-old
[19:44] <Guest22033> ook
[19:44] <dereine_> already full-reinstalled all kde packages
[19:45] <DarthFrog> dereine_: How about "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" then reboot.
[19:45] <Guest22033> I understand
[19:45] <jussi> dereine_: do you have ibus installed?
[19:46] <dereine_> jussi: yes,
[19:46] <dereine_> DarthFrog: no new packages was installed
[19:46] <jussi> (and running?)
[19:46] <DarthFrog> dereine_: Can you create a new user and log in as that user?  Do you get the same behaviour?
[19:48] <dereine_> darthanubis: a new user works fine
[19:49] <dereine_> will try another reboot, thanks for the help already!
[19:52] <dereine> so after the restart sadly my main-user still doesn't login to kde
[19:53] <dereine> what might be interesting is when i start any kind of kde-application in gnome i got: http://pastebin.com/Md6BabT4
[19:54] <cyberghost> is there not a way to backup your main user, delete and add back?
[19:56] <DarthFrog> dereine: How about trying this: "mv ~/.kde ~/kde.saved", so that you don't have any KDE config at all.  Then log out and try logging back in again.
[19:56] <DarthFrog> cyberghost: Which will do almost what you just suggested. :-)
[19:56] <cyberghost> =)
[19:57] <cyberghost> in windows it sounds kinda like UAC
[19:57] <dereine> DarthFrog: already did it but will try again
[19:57] <DarthFrog> cyberghost: Go wash your mouth out with soap! :-)
[19:57] <cyberghost> lol, i expected that response actually lol
[19:57] <DarthFrog> dereine: Hmm.
[19:58] <DarthFrog> dereine: What I'd try next is to delete everything in /tmp, then reboot.
[19:59] <dereine> DarthFrog: perhaps it's a important information that i encrypt my data
[19:59] <dereine> DarthFrog: perhaps kde doesn't know it
[19:59]  * dereine has no idea how this works technically
[19:59] <DarthFrog> dereine: Shouldn't make any difference, I shouldn't think.
[20:00] <dereine> okay will try to /tmp thing, thanks!
[20:00] <DarthFrog> dereine: I presume that it worked before and this is a new issue?
[20:00] <dereine> DarthFrog: i have to admit that i installed kde 4.6 and now wanted to go back to 4.5
[20:00] <DarthFrog> dereine: You may need root privileges to remove everything in /tmp.
[20:00] <DarthFrog> dereine: Bingo!
[20:01] <dereine> will be back after a reboot!
[20:01] <dereine> cu
[20:02] <cyberghost> ahhh 23 minutes left
[20:03] <dereine> hi again
[20:03] <cyberghost> so i heard its impossible to install or run windows programs in linux using a VM??? Like if I want to use daemon tools to mount an image or burn a cd I could still use it with  linux?
[20:04] <dereine> DarthFrog: so sadly this didn't worked but you had a bingo :)
[20:04] <cyberghost> *possible
[20:04] <DarthFrog> dereine: You should have mentioned that you tried to downgrade from KDE 4.6 to 4.5 before.
[20:05] <dereine> DarthFrog: sry, missed it :(
[20:05] <DarthFrog> Cuz that's likely where the problem is coming from.
[20:05] <dereine> cyberghost: deamon tools might be special because a) it uses your cd burner b) deamon tools does quite some tricks to be able to write cd's how they want it
[20:06] <DarthFrog> dereine: Grasping at straws here:  sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[20:07] <cyberghost> ubufox?
[20:09] <dereine> okay no change :(
[20:11] <dereine> DarthFrog: the reinstall didn't changed something
[20:11] <DarthFrog> dereine: How about nuking KDE and re-installing it?
[20:11] <DarthFrog> !puregnome
[20:12] <dereine> DarthFrog: already did this
[20:12] <DarthFrog> dereine: Hmm. Well, since the new user you created works, use that? :-)
[20:16] <dereine> DarthFrog: probably will do it, thanks for all your help!
[20:16] <dereine> if anyone needs some drupal help ...
[20:16] <DarthFrog> dereine: You're welcome.  Sorry I couldn't be of more use.
[20:17] <dereine> it's my fault... perhaps next time i will wait for testing it
[20:20] <DarthFrog> dereine: No you won't.  :-)  And you know it!
[20:21] <dereine> DarthFrog: you got me :)
[20:21] <dereine> 4.6 is definitive interesting but showing each network-smb-storage-device is horrible
[20:22] <dereine> if you are in a network with probably more then thousand other studetns
[20:23] <DarthFrog> dereine: I've not done it, since I'm only a home user on my own LAN but can't you turn off browsing?
[20:23] <dereine> the problem is the divice-notifier
[20:24] <dereine> *device
[20:24] <dereine> it pops up every second
[20:24] <dereine> because someone logged into the network
[20:24] <DarthFrog> Well, I know that can be turned off.
[20:24] <DarthFrog> Or configured.
[20:24] <dereine> seemed to be a file-config
[20:27] <akR4> hi here
[20:38] <wilhart> ppl, wilhart@dragonfly:/var/lib/alsa$ alsactl store
[20:38] <wilhart> alsactl: save_state:1532: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing: Permission denied
[20:38] <wilhart> should i add wilhart in group or something
[20:39] <wilhart> it doesnot save my config!! mmm
[20:41] <DarthFrog> wilhart: Try "sudo alsactl store"
[20:41] <wilhart> darthanubis, yep but wheni boot again i have to store em
[20:49] <wilhart> can i run COMPIZ with KDE Effects?
[20:50] <darthanubis> wilhart: I barked up that tree and did not like it
[20:51] <darthanubis> seems compiz would not give me widgets andd such, as in there were no kwin effects or plasma?
[20:51] <darthanubis> I could be wrong
[20:51] <darthanubis> I just switched back to kwin and turned off blur. All seems well now.
[20:53] <wilhart> DarkriftX, yep i'm trying gnome now
[20:54] <DarthFrog> wilhart: Tab completion is not your friend today. :-)
[20:54] <darthanubis> right
[20:54] <wilhart> dainius, ?
[20:54] <wilhart> darthanubis, ?
[20:55] <wilhart> meh, DarthFrog
[20:55] <darthanubis> I thought he was talking to me earlier
[20:55] <DarthFrog> darthanubis: We Sith have to stay together. :-)
[20:56] <darthanubis> ;)
[20:56] <darthanubis> Just had to explain what Sith means to my GF. Are we really this nerdy?
[20:56] <darthanubis> :-P
[20:56] <DarthFrog> :-)
[20:57] <darthanubis> DarthFrog: do you have a Nvidia card and any issues after being logged in for days?
[20:57] <DarthFrog> No, I have a Radeon.
[20:58] <darthanubis> ok
[21:08] <DiogenesW> gute nacht
[21:43] <eagles0513875> hey guys quick question is there a package which containes the java-me (mobile edition) in the repos
[21:44] <eagles0513875> !java
[21:56] <Snowhog> eagles0513875: No. At least not in any of the standard repos I have active. You might want to review this blog post: http://albertmatyi.blogspot.com/2010/04/develop-mobile-applications-under-linux.html
[22:01] <eagles0513875> humm this should be interesting developing for a mobile device
[22:01] <eagles0513875> with out the java me
[22:06] <eagles0513875> Snowhog: seems like openjdk has java me included cuz netbeans allows me to create mobile apps
[22:06] <eagles0513875> what i find odd is how i cant do that with eclipse
[22:07] <Snowhog> eagles0513875: You can get Sun Java Wireless Toolkit 2.5.2_01 for CLDC from here: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/download-135801.html
[22:07] <eagles0513875> Snowhog: thats not what im after
[22:07] <eagles0513875> im helping an open source project as they are working towards a mobile version of said app
[22:08] <Snowhog> eagles0513875: Okay. So openjdk gives you what you need?
[22:22]  * crack05 is away (Gone)
[22:31] <KukuNut> where is the 4.5.4 for the Lucid 10.04 LTS?
[22:32] <nixternal> KukuNut: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-454
[22:35] <KukuNut> nixternal: I'm looking for 10.04 LTS not 10.10
[22:39] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ are you guys doing 4.5.4 for 10.04?
[22:39] <nixternal> I wouldn't know, I am not a dev
[22:40] <Riddell> KukuNut, nixternal: there are no plans to do 4.5.4 for 10.04
[22:42] <KukuNut> Riddell: so you are saying 10.04 users are on their own?
[22:43] <Riddell> KukuNut: if you want the latest updates you need the latest kubuntu version in general
[23:05] <crazycheetah> anyone here in the know of how to setup networking, specifically for virtual machines? Having problems where I need two virtual machines (vbox) to talk to eachother, but I need at least one of them to also connect to the internet. Haven't gotten anything to work so far...
[23:11] <mika_> hi, is there anyone who has xorg that sometimes (/ very frequently) use near 40-50% of the cpu? then closing some app (usually firefox, but also chromium, konsole, kontact, etc etc) everything became normal again ?
[23:16] <Rigmarole> mika_: happened to me once before with Amarok. I have no idea what caused it, but when I quit Amarok it went back down to normal usage
[23:16] <mika_> Rigmarole: it's happening all the time... like i close firefox, everything ok, i reopen it and after some minutes the same problem
[23:17] <mika_> but it's not only firefox (so no leaked addons)
[23:18] <mika_> and this is only recent (some update probably, but don't know which one)... i use kubuntu for a year now and it never happened before
[23:19] <Rigmarole> do you have desktop effects enabled?
[23:19] <mika_> nope, i disabled them, thinking that was it... it was not..
[23:25] <wilhart> why do i get tearing when watching movies
[23:26] <wilhart> J #u


[00:05] <nickrud> hm, someone needs to update that schedule or the factoid is worthless
[01:31] <kevinO> hello
[01:31] <kevinO> hmmm wrong channel
[02:22] <smallfoot-> i have this 'winbind' package in my update manager, and it never installs, because its broken
[02:22] <smallfoot-> and it sucks, because now i cant download songbird from getdeb website, because it say my system has broken dependency
[02:25] <Pici> This is not a support channel.
[02:25] <smallfoot-> yes, but someone has banned me from the support channel and all other place
[02:26] <smallfoot-> i have no where to go, i dont know what to do
[02:26] <Pici> And yet it remains that this is still not a support channel.
[02:26] <smallfoot-> plz unban me so i can goto the support channel
[02:26] <Pici> You should have thought of that during one of your many chances at redeeming yourself.
[02:27] <smallfoot-> thats the problem, when i do something, i never think before
[02:27] <Hobbsee> then perhaps you need to learn to.
[02:29] <smallfoot-> all the time when i was little, my mom told me "think before you do", and then i went and did some stupid shit
[02:29] <smallfoot-> and i would always get in trouble at school, like that one time when i jumped on the couch and it broke
[02:35] <smallfoot-> im a dumbass, i will never get unbanned :(
[02:35] <smallfoot-> i dont never understand nothing
[02:47] <elky_work> smallfoot-, how old are you?
[02:48] <elky_work> and congratulations on the triple negative there...
[02:49] <smallfoot-> 13
[02:50] <elky_work> then you have plenty of time to learn. in the mean time, the forums can help you
[02:50] <elky_work> !forums
[02:51] <Hobbsee> if you actually follow their rules.
[02:51] <elky_work> which is basically 'abide by the Code of Conduct'
[02:51] <smallfoot-> oh
[02:51] <elky_work> if you abide by the code, you're going to be pretty much fine in any ubuntu setting
[02:52] <smallfoot-> but when i critize something either, A) they tell me "its a feature not a bug", B) they me "its open source, so fix it", C) they direct me to a 75 page howto guide, D) they call me a troll and ban me
[03:02] <Flannel> smallfoot-: Usually that has to do with the way you ask.
[03:18] <bazhang> -Doppp- AmpArga 2.6 - http://amparga.laguuni.com just got this in #ubuntu
[03:19] <Flannel> pm?
[03:19] <Flannel> it doesn't load at any rate
[03:19] <bazhang> no, a /notice
[03:23] <Flannel> amparga is an mIRC script... a "np" script, whatever that is.  Seems to control winamp?
[03:24] <Pici> np = now playing
[03:26] <Flannel> ah
[03:29] <stdin> I think I actually have the topic right in -meeting now
[03:29] <bazhang> !idle | smallfoot-
[03:30] <bazhang> smallfoot-, please part.
[03:31] <smallfoot-> hmm
[03:31] <smallfoot-> 1s <reading>
[03:31] <smallfoot-> ok unban me
[03:31] <smallfoot-> bye!
[03:32]  * Pici facepalms
[03:33] <bazhang> now I understand the virtues of clearing out bans.
[03:33] <bazhang> They tend to pile up otherwise.
[03:38] <nalioth> bazhang: it's why i use 10 minute self-removing quiets 99% of the time
[03:38] <bazhang> nalioth, not sure what a self-removing quiet is; care to expand?
[03:39] <nalioth> bazhang: auto_bleh.pl for irssi and subsequently chanserv.py for xchat have it as an option
[03:39]  * nickrud would like to know about self removing bans also, but it's probably some irssi thing
[03:39] <nickrud> chanserv.py? (me goes off to look)
[03:40] <Flannel>  /at
[03:40] <bazhang> nalioth, I have the latter; would you happen to know the command?
[03:40]  * nalioth smacks nickrud with the obvious
[03:40] <Flannel> in auto_bleh
[03:40] <nalioth> bazhang: i have no clue.  i don't use xchat
[03:40] <bazhang> ah okay thanks nalioth
[03:40] <nalioth> bazhang: chanserv.py IS commented
[03:41] <bazhang> !chanserv.py
[03:41] <Jesus> Howdy ya'll
[03:42] <Flannel> Jesus: How can we help you?
[03:42] <Guest74859> registering the name jesus should be blasphemi
[03:42] <Christ> that's moar like it.
[03:42] <Christ> I could use a flannel right now.
[03:42] <Christ> halp pls.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ^
[03:43] <Christ> ^ THIS IS SPARTA
[03:43] <Christ> I mean... our lords kingdom of heaven?
[03:43] <Flannel> Christ: If you don't mind just leaving, it'd be appreciated.
[03:43] <Christ> TONIGHT WE DINE, in a small shack on the street corner, last supper pls.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Flannel: freenode will probably want to step on it
[03:44] <Christ> ^ blasphemi
[03:45] <bazhang> !idle | Christ
[03:45] <Christ> there's got to be at least 100 people on this channel and no one's talking?
[03:45] <bazhang> Christ, part now please.
[03:45] <Christ> !idle | bazhang
[03:46] <bazhang> not willing to switch to irssi just for that one feature.
[03:46] <bazhang> going from konversation to xchat was jarring enough.
[03:47] <nickrud> bazhang yeah, I don't see it either, in a quick cruise through the code. Don't python, but luckily python is wordy enough for me to be semi literate reading wise
[03:48] <bazhang> nickrud, thanks! :)
[03:48]  * stdin learnt python in a couple days
[03:49] <stdin> mostly from reading the code actually
[03:49] <Pici> ditto
[03:49] <nickrud> if you learn to read forth, you can read anything ;)
[03:49] <nickrud> sorta anyway
[03:50] <Flannel> bazhang: I don't think it is.
[03:51] <bazhang> Flannel, the auto-remove feature?
[03:51] <Flannel> bazhang: a question about mint
[03:51] <bazhang> aha
[03:51] <Pici> !mintsupport
[03:56] <bazhang> reading the code? whoa.
[03:57] <bazhang> And I just opened Add/Remove for the first time today.
[03:57] <nalioth> Flannel: you lacking some spirituality lately?  :P
[03:57] <Flannel> nalioth: What?
[03:58] <Flannel> Oh, telling Christ to leave.
[03:58] <nalioth> bazhang: the 'feature' exists in chanserv.py
[03:58] <nalioth> Flannel: no, he mentioned you by name ( figured he was here to prop you up :P )
[03:58] <bazhang> nalioth, thanks. Have yet to find it, but will keep looking.
[03:58] <Flannel> nalioth: I think its because I had responded to him
[03:59] <Flannel> but, that could be.
[03:59] <Flannel> !diety
[03:59] <nickrud> what!?
[03:59] <Flannel> !deity
[03:59] <Flannel> hmm
[03:59] <Flannel> is it a @?
[03:59] <nickrud> could be
[03:59] <Flannel> @diety
[03:59] <Pici> !prayer
[03:59] <nalioth> could be spelling
[03:59] <nalioth> it's deity
[04:00] <Flannel> I did that.
[04:00] <Pici> diety is when you try to get thinner
[04:00] <Flannel> ah, prayer
[04:00] <nickrud> blech
[04:00] <Flannel> Pici: yes, well, fasting and all... theyre practically interchangable :)
[04:00] <Pici> its also !myrtt.i
[04:41] <Flannel> got it
[04:44] <nickrud> one more out of pizza/blak1, and I'll ban him if no one else does
[04:44] <Flannel> Im waiting on enter
[04:44] <nickrud> forward here?
[04:44] <Flannel> I was just going to remove him
[04:45] <nickrud> !troll
[04:45] <Flannel> joejoecircusboy could be trouble too.
[04:46] <nickrud> he was amusing last night, but did walk the edge a couple times
[04:46] <bazhang> !atroll
[04:47] <nickrud> !troll is <alias> atroll
[04:47] <Flannel> Itd be fine conversation in -offtopic, but... seems facetious in #ubuntu
[04:47] <bazhang> [pizza] (n=blake@ip72-221-66-119.ri.ri.cox.net): purple this looks very familiar
[04:47] <bazhang> he changes nicks lots
[04:48] <Flannel> purple is default pidgin gecos
[04:49] <bazhang> I mean the blake@ etc part
[04:51] <nickrud> well, he's silent now so not an issue I guess
[04:51] <nalioth> it's all too familiar.  there is a regular troll from ri.ri.cox.net
[04:52] <Flannel> awww
[04:52] <Flannel> btlogin is broked.
[04:52] <nickrud> @btlogin
[04:52] <nickrud> oh well.
[04:52] <nalioth> nickrud: you BWOKE IT
[04:52] <Flannel> Was going to look for other bans on ri.ri.cox
[04:52] <nickrud> jussi01 pinging you and stdin for bantracker :)
[04:53] <nickrud> nalioth I'd like to take credit, but I haven't logged on in 24 hours ;)
[04:56] <nalioth> Flannel: you might not find any in the bantracker ( /me was speaking of the whole network )
[04:56] <Flannel> Was just going to take a glance, but you're right, I won't!
[04:58] <stdin> @btlogin
[04:58] <stdin> fixed
[04:58] <nickrud> thanks
[04:59] <bazhang> breaking bt seems mild in comparison to breaking ubottu
[04:59] <nalioth> don't break it, nickrud
[04:59] <nickrud> I won't log in without your supervision nalioth I promis
[04:59] <nalioth> go for it, just dont break anythin'
[04:59] <bazhang> aka "the ^daisy^ incident"
[04:59] <Flannel> and don't feed them after midnight
[04:59] <stdin> it's not that it broke, it just wasn't fixed enough :)
[05:00] <bazhang> or keystone kops revisited
[05:03] <Flannel> weeee xkcd
[05:43]  * Hobbsee headdesks.
[05:44] <Flannel> Hobbsee: eh?
[05:44] <Flannel> Hobbsee: Best to not trip in front of your desk
[05:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:01] <Hobbsee> dear emma, please stop attempting to bait me.  it fails.  kthxbye.
[06:04] <nickrud> sigh
[06:09] <elky_work> no it doesnt
[09:13] <ikonia> morning
[09:14] <Myrtti> moin
[09:15] <ikonia> :)
[09:19] <jpds> moin
[09:19] <ikonia> hey hey
[11:27] <Myrtti> @schedule Helsinki
[11:27] <Myrtti> errrrrr
[11:27] <Myrtti> stdin *poke*
[11:27] <stdin> ?
[11:28] <Myrtti> ^
[11:28] <Myrtti> see anything intresting?
[11:30] <stdin> hmm?
[11:30]  * stdin is still on the caffeine drip
[11:32] <Myrtti> it shows the same meetings twice
[11:32] <Myrtti> two hours apart
[11:33] <Myrtti> no, wait
[11:33]  * Myrtti gets more caffeine herself
[11:52] <ikonia> whats the deal with supporting mint
[11:52] <ikonia> as far as I'm concerned it's not our responsability to support mint and the mint support resources should be used
[11:52] <ikonia> am I right/wrong on this ?
[11:54] <Myrtti> afaik yes you are right
[11:55] <bazhang> right all the way.
[11:56] <bazhang> xnv, what is up
[11:56]  * xnv doesn't like to see an op kick someone and then claim all discussion about why that person was kicked is off-topic
[11:56] <Myrtti> xnv: it is offtopic
[11:56] <Myrtti> #ubuntu is for support
[11:57] <Myrtti> discussion for the moderation and operating #ubuntu is for this channel
[11:57] <xnv> Myrtti: I think it's against the spirit of the community
[11:57] <ikonia> xnv: disuss it in the right place then
[11:58] <ikonia> xnv: ubuntu is for support, discussing if someone should / shouldn't have been removed is not support
[11:58] <Myrtti> that the channel of some 1300 users isn't muddled with non support related discussion?
[11:59] <kenkku> what is the problem with providing support for Mint users, if someone wishes to?
[11:59] <ikonia> kenkku: because that is not the topic of the channel
[11:59] <Myrtti> kenkku: you're welcome to do so on pm or some other channel
[11:59] <ikonia> kenkku: what is the problem with a user using the correct support resources
[11:59] <xnv> It's one thing if it becomes a long-winded discussion. It's another if a few people question it and, instead of getting some sort of calming answer, they are told to STFU because it's off-topic
[12:00] <ikonia> xnv: no-one was told to STFU
[12:00] <xnv> ikonia: That's the impression I got from your rather stiff and quick off-topic remark.
[12:00] <xnv> Anyway, lunch time for me.
[12:00] <ikonia> 11:24 < ikonia> guys lets not discuss it and get back to support discussion
[12:00] <ikonia> how is that stiff
[12:01] <kenkku> ikonia: the problem is that mint only differs a tiny bit, mostly in the desktop configuration and some tools. if the rest is applicable to ubuntu, I see no problem in helping the user.
[12:01] <ikonia> and how is that STFU
[12:01] <Myrtti> because you forgot the word "here" after "discuss it"
[12:01] <Myrtti> !mint
[12:01] <Myrtti> !mintsupport
[12:01] <Myrtti> ooh, a typo
[12:01] <kenkku> ha :)
[12:02] <Myrtti> !mintsupport ~= /derivitve/derivative/
[12:02] <Myrtti> !mintsupport ~= /derivitve/derivative/
[12:04] <ikonia> is this guy trying to troll now
[12:04] <kenkku> if the problem is 100% the same in ubuntu and mint, why cannot the user use "our resources"?
[12:04] <Myrtti> ooh, cheese.
[12:04] <ikonia> kenkku: because its a different distro
[12:05] <kenkku> ikonia: if it uses the same packages (in the parts that are relevant), why does it matter?
[12:05] <kenkku> ikonia: does canonical pay you to provide support for ubuntu?
[12:05] <ikonia> kenkku: no
[12:05] <ikonia> kenkku: why can you just not accept the policy set
[12:05] <kenkku> see, you have no reason to NOT help if the problem can be solved
[12:05] <bazhang> kenkku, the distro is different; trust me I have used both
[12:06] <bazhang> kenkku, you are welcome to PM him
[12:06] <Myrtti> kenkku: and where do we draw the line then where we support mint and where we don't?
[12:07] <bazhang> kenkku, someone just asked for help with freebsd, should that be answered as well? I know a bit about freebsd so why not, right?
[12:07] <kenkku> Myrtti: the user should be notified that we might not be able to support them, but others should still have a chance to help, if they can
[12:07] <Myrtti> it's easier to say - we don't support it and leave the support of it to pm's and other venues than to support it here and there and end up muddling the waters of *both* Ubuntu and Mint users
[12:07] <ikonia> kenkku: the user was notified on multiple occasions and pointed at the correct support resources
[12:07] <kenkku> bazhang: if freebsd was an ubuntu derivative, I'd see no problem with it
[12:07] <bazhang> kenkku, there is a reason there are different support resources and channels, each with their own guidelines and rules.
[12:07] <kenkku> if people are willing to help, I see no reason to drive the user away
[12:08] <bazhang> kenkku, and you are free to PM him and help
[12:08] <kenkku> and using the channel would be bad because?
[12:08] <bazhang> kenkku, #ubuntu however has guidelines about supporting ubuntu; that is the way it is.
[12:09] <bazhang> kenkku, it is a very crowded channel.
[12:09] <bazhang> and mint does things differently than ubuntu
[12:09] <kenkku> yeah, more people to provide support, it's great
[12:09] <Myrtti> more people to get confused
[12:09] <bazhang> ##linux for example; where you are free to join him kenkku
[12:09] <ikonia> kenkku: your welcome to start your own "debian based distro support" and support everything you want
[12:10] <kenkku> well, I guess you're not the ones who decide the policy
[12:10] <kenkku> and everyone seems to be against me :P
[12:10] <Myrtti> we're just trying to explain the policy
[12:11] <kenkku> I'm just trying to explain why the policy is wrong in my opinion
[12:11] <kenkku> policies change
[12:11] <kenkku> but apparently this one won't
[12:11] <Myrtti> we cannot support every unofficial Ubuntu derivative there is
[12:11] <Myrtti> starting to support one in one part is a start on sliding on a slippery slope
[12:12] <kenkku> I wonder what you'll do when ubuntu gets more popular
[12:13] <kenkku> if you mean the volume of support requests here
[12:13] <bazhang> kenkku, you may do your own distro: kenkku-linux and support everything
[12:15] <kenkku> well, it seems the policy is to stay and nobody agrees with me. thanks anyway.
[12:15] <kenkku> it's always worth trying :P
[12:18] <bazhang> xnv, anything else you wish to discuss?
[12:21] <gnomefreak> snd yet noone used debian support vs ubuntu support
[12:21] <gnomefreak> s/snd/and
[12:22] <gnomefreak> we also make the policies last i heard
[12:25] <bazhang> !idle | xnv
[12:26] <gnomefreak> bazhang: hes eating i think
[12:26] <bazhang> gnomefreak, hi!
[12:26] <gnomefreak> hi bazhang
[12:26] <ikonia> gnomefreak: well by that scope you could push the mint users in to #debian
[12:27] <bazhang> ikonia, haha
[12:27] <gnomefreak> ikonia: my point was we dont support debian and they dont support us but we are a dirvitive of debian
[12:28] <gnomefreak> so should debian support all of the flavors of debian
[12:28] <ikonia> and I concur
[12:28] <bazhang> imagine the chaos
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i think he ws looking for a fight
[12:28] <gnomefreak> was
[12:28] <bazhang> dreamlinux and ubuntu and elive
[12:29] <bazhang> best not to advertise in the very first post that you are using mint I suppose
[12:29] <gnomefreak> sorry for all the typos i only have one hand to type with
[12:30] <gnomefreak> can we remove and forward or do we have to ban to forward
[12:30] <bazhang> once he re-entered he said he was on a ubuntu livecd
[13:03] <bazhang> PriceChild, you about?
[13:40] <bazhang> PriceChild, seisen was looking for you earlier about a cloak
[13:40] <bazhang> err Pricey
[13:40] <Pricey> When kenkku comes back, suggest he asks for ubuntu help in #debian
[13:40] <Pricey> Don't.. But liken it.
[13:41] <elky> lol
[13:41] <Pricey> Ahh seisen..
[13:41] <elky> no, get him to, then he'll appreciate us more :Þ
[13:45] <Pricey> Ah seisen, not capable of sorting that atm
[13:45] <Pici> wrong window?
[13:45] <Pricey> When i get home to a full shell i'll take a look
[13:45] <Pici> seisen isnt here.
[13:46] <Pricey> Is this not -ops?
[13:46] <Pricey> I know
[13:46] <Pici> Okay
[13:46] <Pricey> Was replying here though
[13:46] <Pici> I thought you were talking to him.
[13:46] <Pricey> I believe his cloak was removed, but that might just be a similar name
[13:47] <bazhang> that is what he said
[13:47] <Pici> Yes, he said that.
[13:47] <Pricey> Right
[13:47] <elky> iirc he's the guy who said something stupid in ##windows
[13:47] <Pici> He came in the other day looking for an ircc member, I think he ended up deciding to shoot something off to the ircc list.
[13:48] <Pricey> Well unless elky or nalioth want to sort that i'll look this evening.
[13:48] <Pricey> It has been some time
[13:48] <elky> it has, i thought we'd sorted it out once before to be honest
[13:49] <bazhang> thought vooloo looked familiar (moojk)
[13:51] <bazhang> he's been given a walkthrough on how to get wireless but doesnt follow up
[13:51] <bazhang> just a fyi
[14:09] <backenfutter> Who is in charge of or where can I find out who is in charge of #ubuntu-de
[14:10] <backenfutter> I have a dipute with a channel operator
[14:10] <backenfutter> i slept over it one night and am still upset
[14:11] <Pici> backenfutter: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-de list will help you find operators of that channel, and #ubuntu-irc is the international ubuntu irc operators channel.
[14:25] <Hobbsee> porn...cake...
[14:25] <Hobbsee> right hten.
[14:26] <Pici> that reminds me of something.
[14:26] <Hobbsee> (+1)
[15:01] <seanw> He's causing trouble in #wikipedia-en too
[15:02] <Pici> Removed, hopefully he doesn't return.
[15:02] <Myrtti> also issued heads up on -irc
[15:02] <Pici> :)
[15:16] <Pici> !staff
[15:16] <seanw> Looking.
[15:16] <Pici> seanw: ty
[15:20] <Pici> seanw: let me know when you think we can put the modes back to normal
[15:21] <persia> Good $(time_of_day).  If a bot wrangler is here, I'd like to request a bug bot for #ubuntu-java
[15:21] <seanw> Pici, should be okay now :)
[15:21] <Pici> seanw: thanks
[15:31]  * persia will return another time to seek a bug bot
[15:33] <Pici> bah
[15:34] <Pici> @schedule
[15:35] <Pici> When is the next IRCC meeting again?
[16:25] <Mez> @now
[17:10] <cwillu> #ubuntu-offtopic -> lawl posted a link.  Each click he gets allows him access to more porn.  (http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/   ?id=ad2009affbf2ae22997a373903191195)  I find this rather distasteful :/
[17:12] <cwillu> oooo, ooooo, and under false pretenses too :p  ("can you guys check if this link works?")
[17:13] <ikonia> I see him
[17:13] <cwillu> I just don't like being used to further somebody's fetish
[17:13] <ikonia> thats fine, I see him
[17:14] <ikonia> also 6:42 -!- Neo-Omega<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit ["Now you f**ked up."]
[17:14] <ikonia> nice part message
[17:21] <bazhang> he was asked to change that; seems to have added two **
[17:24] <ikonia> on it
[17:37] <ikonia> why are so many users changing their nick to guest*number when they sign in ?
[17:37] <ikonia> they sign in with a nick like "john" and it gets changed
[17:38] <Pici> ikonia: The new freenode services package has a feature called enforce that makes sure that no one /nicks to your name when you are not online.  If you do so, after a few minutes, you get switched to Guest#####
[17:39] <Pici> Its not on by default iirc.
[17:39] <ikonia> ooh
[17:39] <ikonia> thats interesting
[17:39] <ikonia> didn't know that
[17:39] <ikonia> so it's the common names like "john" for example that are getting pepople switched
[17:39] <Pici> Those are the most noticable.
[17:39] <ikonia> yup
[17:39] <ikonia> thank you
[17:40] <Pici> Sure
[17:46] <jpds>  /ns help set secure
[18:02] <Myrtti> hello
[18:04] <Mez> heya Myrtti
[18:04] <Myrtti> :-D
[18:17]  * Myrtti gives Mez a lucky kick in the butt
[18:17] <Mez> o
[18:17] <Mez> ow *
[18:50] <bazhang> whoever has admin in ot should step in NOW
[18:51] <jpds> bazhang: I wish I could help.
[18:51] <bazhang> jpds, same here
[18:52] <bazhang> zaapiel asus in ot
[18:52] <Myrtti> should I?
[18:52] <Pici> is he?
[18:53] <Myrtti> I think I might
[18:53] <bazhang> he is way past the line
[18:53] <Pici> bazhang: argh, I thought you got ops in there, sorry for not doing anything
[18:54] <bazhang> nicely done :)
[18:54] <bazhang> Pici, my mistake sorry
[18:54] <bazhang> very nice Myrtti
[18:54] <Pici> No need to apologize
[18:55] <Gary> lol @ nal
[18:55] <bazhang> no bot haha
[18:55] <Gary> good idea to m for a bit
[18:56] <nalioth> Myrtti: i think you've made your point
[18:56] <Myrtti> I'll let them stew for few moments more
[18:57] <Myrtti> go ahead nal
[18:57] <Myrtti> you're no fun
[18:58] <nalioth> nope, i'm no fun at all  :(
[19:29] <PriceChild> I've already told backenfutter how to dispute that.
[19:35] <PriceChild> I was about to groan about the picture used on the latest peru bug jam planet post... but then I saw the following text :)
[20:10] <Pici> !test > Pici
[20:19] <PriceChild> what's the channel for people who code ubottu etc.?
[20:19] <Pici> #dib5sn I think
[20:20] <Flannel> #ubuntu-ircbots-team
[20:20] <PriceChild> so not #ubuntu-ircbots or something like that?
[20:20] <Pici> oh
[20:20] <PriceChild> aha thanks
[21:18] <PriceChild> re: \sh's post on planet... the climax part isn't referring to the iGasm post is it? I think I've missed one of his posts somewhere.
[21:18] <PriceChild> and he has wifes :O
[21:20] <jpds> Err
[21:20] <Flannel> PriceChild: no, more recently about KDE... stuff.  Let me find it
[21:21] <Flannel> http://www.sourcecode.de/content/linux-haters-blog-windows-lover-blogs-wtf
[21:21] <PriceChild> just found it
[21:22] <PriceChild> I don't understand that sentenec.
[21:22] <PriceChild> *sentence
[21:23] <PriceChild> But whatever it means, its still obviously referring to masturbation.
[21:24] <PriceChild> you don't put 'climax' and 'I'm really much faster shaking my hand' without meaning to refer to it, you may as well own up to it
[21:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, ?
[21:25] <ompaul> don't I am laughing out lout
[21:25] <ompaul> loud even
[21:25] <ompaul> lout maybe
[21:25] <PriceChild> don't?
[21:25] <Flannel> Yeah, if you read the meeting logs, its mentioned that he's been trying awfully hard to backpedal away from it
[21:25] <Myrtti> coffee, or tea?
[21:25] <ompaul> tea
[21:25] <PriceChild> Hey Myrtti
[21:25] <Myrtti> I can't decide
[21:25] <PriceChild> I need to buy some ice cream.
[21:25] <Myrtti> hai Pricey
[21:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, have two for me
[21:32] <Myrtti> tea, coffee... tea, coffee... tea, coffee...
[21:32] <PriceChild> tea!
[21:35] <Myrtti> so how's work been?
[21:36] <Myrtti> ooh, I forgot I had yoghurt
[21:37] <Myrtti> apple-oats-rhubarb
[21:37] <PriceChild> work's good
[21:37] <PriceChild> i left on time today :D
[21:37] <PriceChild> mm yoghurt
[21:37] <Flannel> alex-weej_ is spamming in a number of channels
[21:37] <PriceChild> Flannel: which?
[21:38] <Myrtti> #lugradio for starters
[21:38] <Flannel> -motu, -bugs and -artwork
[21:38] <Flannel> that I see so far
[21:38] <Flannel> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
[21:38] <Myrtti> #ubuntu too
[21:38] <Flannel> is the link he pastes... twice.
[21:38] <Flannel> I missed #ubuntu
[21:40] <Myrtti> 23:39 < alex-weej_> before anyone else grills me for spam, sorry. "/amsg" works for all  networks at once in X-Chat, CAUTION!
[21:40] <Myrtti> weak...
[21:41] <Flannel> thats still sending a mesage to *all* channels
[21:41] <jpds> I think he just wanted to announce his event.
[21:41] <Flannel> which, alone is spam
[21:41] <Flannel> jpds: on that page he's asking for donations
[21:41] <jpds> I wish I could get donations :/
[21:42] <Flannel> not only that, Myrtti, but he 'amsg'd his apology
[21:42] <Myrtti> -________-
[21:42] <Myrtti> noticed
[21:42] <Myrtti> I feel like larting him with the cluebat
[21:42] <Myrtti> may I?
[21:42] <Flannel> +1
[21:43] <Myrtti> ie. kicking him from atleast #ubuntu and banforward him here
[21:43]  * PriceChild is looking into it
[21:43] <Myrtti> I have no idea what to say to him except in the words of almight mjg59 "don't be dick"
[21:43] <Myrtti> but still, I feel like larting him with a cluebaty
[21:43] <Flannel> Don't spam, don't advertise, stop being stupid.
[21:43] <Myrtti> -y
[21:44] <PriceChild> Myrtti: i loved that talk
[21:44] <Myrtti> I loved it too
[21:44] <Myrtti> twas great
[21:48] <Myrtti> hmmm
[21:49]  * Myrtti contemplates on starting a mjg59 fan group
[22:10] <ompaul> Myrtti, the membership card has on it "trying not to be a dick since _________"  ;-)
[22:10] <Flannel> 2009!
[22:10] <ompaul> Flannel, did you see his talk at lrl?
[22:10] <Flannel> ompaul: Nope
[22:11] <PriceChild> Flannel: you weren't at lrl were you?
[22:11]  * Myrtti found http://www.angryfacts.com with assistance of emmajane
[22:11] <Flannel> PriceChild: Nope
[22:20] <ompaul> Flannel, http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=2001 that might not be the kind of thing to to start playing in a office
[22:20] <Flannel> ompaul: it's friday, who's at work?
[22:21] <Myrtti> I am... theoretically
[22:36] <Flannel> Pici: keep an eye on benkaut in -offtopic, he's turned to full fledged trouble in #ubuntu
[22:37] <Pici> Flannel: oh, I am.
[22:37] <Myrtti> watching
[22:37] <Flannel> Pici: he just rm'd in #u
[22:37] <Pici> hrm
[22:40] <Pici> Myrtti is faster than me. :)
[22:41] <Myrtti> I had the command ready and just waited
[22:41] <Myrtti> like camping in playing CS
[22:41] <Pici> :D
[22:42] <Flannel> *whine*
[22:46] <Myrtti> hm