[08:56] <DVS01> i just switched user on the laptop, annd my keyboard/mouse controls got stuck in the other user's realm
[08:56] <Nubbie> DVS01: yes thats some cool software.
[08:56] <Cosmo_> Nubbie: I have read that page many times, untill just recently after following those guides I was able to adjust the second monitor in the nvidia-settings, now it is only showing 1 monitor
[08:57] <DVS01> had to log back in to the original user via laptop in order to regain control of windows system
[08:57] <DVS01> that was pretty funny
[08:57] <da_shrewd> flannel: it works...thank u very much dude
[08:57] <DVS01> it stole my mouse/keyboard
[08:57] <Nubbie> cosmo_: i dunno i don't use nvidia cards, i don't know what's involved.
[08:57] <riri> is there somebody who has "Honeypot" package for ubuntu dapper?
[08:57] <Nubbie> DVS01: the chicken and the egg, like that other guy said.
[08:57] <Nubbie> riri: what is honeypot.
[08:58] <DVS01> hehe
[08:58] <Nubbie> or not....
[08:59] <aa^way> yeah dudes all works, videos and songs, haha i dont get it why linux is hard or something, so easy to get all programs with apt-get
[08:59] <ivoks> almost a 1000 people, and the release is tomorrow :D
[08:59] <aa^way> i had more probs in windows while trying to get crack and stuff like that =P
[08:59] <riri> its like virtual server for trap the intruder...something such as like that...cz i want to learn it right now..:)
[08:59] <Nubbie> aa^way: its not hard.
[08:59] <disinterested> i guees my above problem cant be fixed?
[09:00] <Nubbie> riri: i have no idea what you're talking about lol.
[09:00] <Nubbie> riri: so i'm going to say no.
[09:00] <riri> :)
[09:02] <ByPasS> if u wanna play with honeypots try apt-get install honeyd :)
[09:02] <Nubbie> ahhh somebody knows about the honey :)
[09:02] <DVS01> yea
[09:03] <DVS01> i considered implementing that at my last job, where coworkers kept logging in and messing around with my system (we were required to keep it open)
[09:03] <DVS01> is there a way to trigger a script upon the event of switching users?
[09:03] <DVS01> one for switching away from, and one for switching back to
[09:04] <DVS01> i need to make synergy let go of my windows machine's mouse heh
[09:04] <lolo> check demo of www.ask4chat.com
[09:04] <DVS01> check out googling for ircd
[09:04] <Nubbie> dvs01: switching away from might be tricky.
[09:04] <Nubbie> !spam | lolo
[09:04] <ubotu> lolo: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[09:05] <crazy_penguin> hello all!
[09:05] <aa^way> one prob more
[09:05] <xyz-abc> Help: Feisty Fawn's HPLIP toolbox doesn't work (doesn't load)
[09:05] <aa^way> seems like my linux is wrongly sized
[09:05] <aa^way> i can see barely "shutdown" button
[09:05] <aa^way> and in mozilla i dont see scroll bars unless i resize mozilla window
[09:05] <Nubbie> aa^way: your screen......
[09:05] <Nubbie> !resolution | aa^way
[09:06] <ubotu> aa^way: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:06] <DVS01> btw, Nubbie, in case youre interested, i fixed the black screen problem by switching rendering architectures from nvidia to aiglx
[09:06] <Nubbie> DVS01: why weren't you using aiglx before? it's infinitely better.
[09:06] <DVS01> Nubbie: heh not sure
[09:06] <danfg> i'm trying to ssh into linux with RSA keys, i put the private key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, but i'm getting "Server refused our key". what am i missing?
[09:07] <DVS01> crap.. spoke too soon
[09:07] <danfg> oops, actually, the public key is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, not the private one, duh
[09:07] <lolo>                        www.ask4chat.com
[09:08] <alleyoop> xyz-abc: are there any errors if you start it from a console?
[09:08] <danfg> anyone using ssh with keys (instead of a password)?
[09:08] <DVS01> lolo, please stop spamming
[09:10] <lalala> Hey
[09:10] <lalala> Ubuntu 7.04 released tomorrow!!!!
[09:10] <nizo> hello all
[09:11] <DVS01> yup
[09:11] <nizo> whats is the command in my.cnf in mysql to ignore the charecters case ?
[09:11] <lalala> can I update?
[09:11] <DVS01> im using the release candidate.. it works really nice
[09:11] <lalala> how can I update from 6.10
[09:11] <DVS01> lalala: possibly. i downloaded the cd image
[09:11] <lalala> I gotta reinstall all my stuff?
[09:11] <lalala> =/
[09:11] <xyz-abc> alleyoop: i don't know how to start it from the console
[09:11] <DVS01> i dunno
[09:11] <DVS01> maybe when its out you can
[09:12] <Nubbie> sudo update-manager -c -d
[09:12] <nizo> whats is the command in my.cnf in mysql to ignore the charecters case ?
[09:12] <lolo> -
[09:12] <Flannel> !upgrade | lalala
[09:12] <ubotu> lalala: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:12] <lolo> -
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[09:12] <lolo> -
[09:12] <lolo> -
[09:12] <lolo> -
[09:12] <Flannel> !ops
[09:12] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda or mneptok
[09:12] <Flannel> Nubbie: just -d not -c
[09:12] <Nubbie> crimsun: you there?
[09:12] <xyz-abc> someone ban lolo for spamming!
[09:13] <Nubbie> thankyou.
[09:13] <DVS01> werd
[09:13] <lalala> hmm
[09:13] <DVS01> why cant they at least spam something interesting
[09:13] <lalala> its not proxied!
[09:13] <Nubbie> rofl
[09:14] <lalala> boots up backtrack 2
[09:14] <lalala> lalala
[09:14] <xyz-abc> help: HPLIP doesn't work in Feisty
[09:14] <Nubbie> lalala: and he accepts pings lol.
[09:14] <Flannel> xyz-abc: #ubuntu+1 for Feisty support
[09:14] <lalala> hehe
[09:14] <xyz-abc> thanks
[09:14] <alleyoop> xyz-abc: Start a terminal session (Applications, Accessories) and type "hp-toolbox". you may need to kill any existing instances in system monitor first (or reboot would do it)
[09:14] <Nubbie> lalala: i personally have much bandwidth to waste tonight. i'mma spam him up.
[09:14] <lalala> lawl
[09:14] <da_shrewd> flannel: why my file httpd.conf in apache2 folder empty?
[09:15] <da_shrewd> flannel: it should have command line
[09:15] <Nubbie> lalala: i'll have his ip in a second.
[09:15] <Flannel> da_shrewd: because ubuntu doesnt use httpd.conf, it uses a combination of apache2.conf, the stuff in /sites-enabled/ and /mods-enabled/
[09:16] <Nubbie> lalala: i'm at his router right now.
[09:16] <Flannel> da_shrewd: Ubuntu uses the debian style of apache config
[09:16] <Madpilot> Flannel, when're you going to go for Membership, anyway?
[09:16] <lalala> k
[09:16] <workinprocess> I know this is common but uh...
[09:16] <Flannel> Madpilot: When they schedule a meeting I can go to? ;)
[09:16] <workinprocess> <- needs help
[09:16] <Nubbie> lalala: <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:17] <Nubbie> :)
[09:17] <lalala> muhahahaha
[09:17] <da_shrewd> flannel: before this, when i use edgy version, I just edited httpd.conf and it works
[09:17] <Flannel> da_shrewd: no you didnt.  Edgy didn't use httpd.conf either
[09:17] <workinprocess> can anyone here help me?
[09:17] <DVS01> how would i recusrively chmod all *directories* to be g+x?
[09:17] <Nubbie> lalala: chances are he has unrestricted vnc access?
[09:18] <lalala> most likely not =/
[09:18] <Nubbie> nah. no ssh either.
[09:18] <workinprocess> <- needs help peoples
[09:18] <Nubbie> lalala: ping -c<PHONE_NUMBER>94324 <IP_ADDRESS> :)
[09:19] <Madpilot> workinprocess, if you ask an actual question, you stand a better chance of getting actual help.
[09:19] <alleyoop> DVS01: isnt there a switch -R Check out man chmod
[09:19] <DVS01> ahh
[09:19] <DVS01> find -type d -exec chmod g+x {} +
[09:19] <DVS01> this seems to work
[09:19] <Flannel> DVS01: You sure you want to do that?  usually chmod -R is not the answer.
[09:19] <Nubbie> and definitely be careful with -R <--
[09:20] <DVS01> yeah
[09:20] <DVS01> well i am giving everyone in group gamers access to /usr/local/games
[09:20] <DVS01> and i wanted all dirs to be g+x
[09:20] <DVS01> only dirs tho, not files
[09:20] <DVS01> that seems to have done it tho
[09:20] <Nubbie> DVS01: why is that?
[09:20] <DVS01> because i dont want all files to be +x, not all are meant to be executed
[09:21] <Nubbie> no, why give permissions on that folder?
[09:21] <DVS01> because i am sharing cedega across the system, instead of having it store its games in the user's home dir
[09:21] <DVS01> i want all :gamers users to be able to use it
[09:21] <Nubbie> makes sense.
[09:22] <workinprocess> I'm sorry. I figured I'd get someones attention first. Well.. I need help installing a belkin wireless g usb adapter in ubuntu. I am dual booting windows XP sp2(66.6Gb partition) and Ubuntu(10Gb partition). I have no internet when I go to ubuntu because I can't figure out how to install the belking adapter. the cd oviously doesnt work as it was meant for a windows installation.
[09:22] <DVS01> seems to be working
[09:22] <DVS01> elder scrolls oblivion is running =D
[09:22] <Nubbie> lalala: how do i cat /dev/urandom to an external ip?
[09:22] <Nubbie> lalala: :D
[09:22] <Nubbie> DVS01: nice.
[09:22] <workinprocess> and seeing as I am dual booting I need some step by step instructions of what to do because I would have to reboot to get back to ubuntu.
[09:23] <workinprocess> So.. Can anyone help me?
[09:23] <Nubbie> workinprocess: is it one of them crappy usb dongle wifi adapters?
[09:23] <I_Web_> -
[09:23] <I_Web_>                                          www.ask4chat.com
[09:24] <I_Web_> -
[09:24] <DVS01> !ops
[09:24] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda or mneptok
[09:24] <workinprocess> unfortunately...yes... although I am not cetrain what you meant by "dongles."
[09:24] <workinprocess> But It's all I have. and I need some help...
[09:24] <lalala> rofl
[09:24] <Madpilot> same IP as last time. pathetic.
[09:24] <DVS01> ops, please ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:24] <ledemente> Hey all, how do I activate Bigpond ADLS on dapper drake?
[09:24] <Nubbie> lalala: so how do i do it?
[09:24] <workinprocess> ah yes and if it wasn't obvious
[09:24] <workinprocess> <- BIG LINUX NOOB
[09:24] <workinprocess> NEWB* sorry....
[09:25] <workinprocess> I will learn. but I don't know where to stat..
[09:25] <workinprocess> start*
[09:25] <Nubbie> lalala: cat /dev/urandom | <externalhost>
[09:25] <Nubbie> :)
[09:25] <DVS01> Madpilot: you know syntax to banning hostmasks?
[09:25] <imon9> hi everyone~ i need recommendation on which sound recoder that is simple and can save into 0gg/mp3/wma/wav and save radio stream
[09:25] <DVS01> /mode #ubuntu +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:25] <Madpilot> DVS01, I do, and it's done
[09:25] <DVS01> ahh ok
[09:25] <DVS01> didnt see
[09:25] <Nubbie> imon9: the one that's installed by default with gnome?
[09:25] <elkbuntu> ledemente, sec the info should be around somewhere, just gotta find it
[09:25] <workinprocess> So does anyoen know how to install thist stupid belkins wireless g usb?
[09:25] <Madpilot> DVS01, check the text of the kickban I just served
[09:26] <DVS01> yea i just saw it
[09:26] <DVS01> didnt notice at first
[09:26] <imon9> i also need recommendation on a xine based media player (non-kde) which support playing DVD and mms streams
[09:26] <imon9> Nubbie: the one from gnome only save into wav, isnt it? i am using xubuntu
[09:26] <mdious> workinprocess:  www.tldp.org is a good place to start....
[09:27] <kane77> workinprocess, try starting  here http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[09:27] <eck> imon9: no, it saves to many different formats
[09:27] <Nubbie> imon9: i can't read minds you know :)
[09:27] <eck> not wma of course, but all the other ones you listed
[09:27] <kane77> workinprocess, or here http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Main_Page
[09:28] <Jordan_U> imon9, Why xine based?
[09:28] <workinprocess> i believe i looked at that. I installed ubuntu 6.06 LTS from the CD they sent me. i do not seem to have the ndiswrapper
[09:28] <workinprocess> i know nothing of edgy... whatever that is..
[09:28] <WorldDomination> hey - anybody from germany here ?
[09:28] <elkbuntu> ledemente, you're looking for a tool called bpalogin. it might even be installed already
[09:30] <Cosmo_> in the nvidia-settings it is no longer showing my second monitor or letting me make adjustments to it like I was able to do before, how do I fix this?
[09:32] <da_shrewd> flannel: can u help me to make virtual host
[09:32] <Jordan_U> imon9, Why xine based?
[09:32] <imon9> because xine is the only one that can play real media  (RMVB) instead of RealPlayer
[09:32] <Flannel> da_shrewd: copy the file in /etc/apache2/sites-available in the same folder, name it something else, then edit it
[09:33] <Flannel> da_shrewd: then sudo a2ensite [filename in /sites-available]  to enable that site
[09:33] <Jordan_U> imon9, Can't VLC play real media?
[09:33] <Flannel> Oh, and then restart apache
[09:33] <imon9> nope...vlc cant player readl video
[09:34] <Cosmo_> is the home folder all I should backup incase I run into any problems when fiesty goes live?
[09:34] <da_shrewd> flannel: I host 4 website using 1 IP, so i forgot how to make virtual host.can u help me?
[09:34] <wangensh> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload,ok
[09:35] <eck> imon9: i believe mplayer can play real media... afaik all of totem/mplayer/vlc/xine/etc. use basically the same codec library (libavcodec), so generally the capabilities are pretty similar
[09:35] <imon9> to everyone: actually, i needed xine since it play more wide-range media compared to gstreamer, mplayer, and vlc... however, xine have this funny blue-red-black pixellation on my screen sometime...which i dont really know why...anyone knows?
[09:36] <Flannel> da_shrewd: I just told you how
[09:36] <imon9> me and my friend both tested mplayer with extra codec...it only support realmedia partitally...upto like real v8 codecs
[09:36] <ByPasS> imon9 : what does vlc doesnt play really ?
[09:37] <wangensh> what's long time before 7.04 final release?
[09:37] <kadakas> can anyone recommend a good replacement for SmartFTP ?
[09:37] <wangensh> filezilla
[09:37] <xukun> gftp is very good
[09:37] <eck> kadakas: i generally just use the nautilus ftp client
[09:37] <wangensh> vsftp?
[09:37] <alleyoop> kadakas: i use gftp also
[09:37] <admin0> MC
[09:37] <eck> wangensh: smartftp is a client
[09:38] <wangensh> filezilla is good
[09:38] <admin0> mc is also fine
[09:38] <imon9> ByPass: vlc does not play my RMVB file (real video) it is also stated that it doesnt suport real format in its feature webpage anyway
[09:38] <admin0> works from terminal
[09:38] <imon9> wangensh: use firefox fireftp plugin
[09:38] <eck> imon9: that seems correct, ffmpeg does not support all of the latest realplayer stuff last i checked (during the summer)
[09:39] <ledemente> elkbuntu: bpalogin? Hmmm... o__O
[09:39] <wangensh> i don't like install too many plugin for firefox:)
[09:39] <imon9> eck: yea..and they didnt update the release since summer too
[09:39] <eck> imon9: you need to get the patches from cvs if you want the latest features, it is kind of a mess
[09:39] <ub12> I have 6.06 and i have been doing all my updates. Do I need to do anything special to get the next release of ubuntu or will the updates take care of it?
[09:40] <ledemente> elkbuntu: bpalogin is for cable though...
[09:40] <eck> imon9: a lot of developers work in their own branch and don't sync as often as they should
[09:40] <imon9> wangesh: i used to use fizilla before using fireFTP in firefox...either way i use it since it open as a tab, so i can check my updated website simultaneoly that way
[09:40] <ByPasS> imon9 : i though there was a linux version of real player or i guess ur looking for all in one
[09:41] <elkbuntu> ledemente, ah ok. i've never used bigpond... try looking in the forums, i know there's posts there before about it
[09:41] <imon9> eck:: either way, it doesnt matter, i already got xine to play my latest realvideo codec..now i am using kaffeine..which is all round..but i dislike KDE, so i am asking if anyone who knows a xine-based non-KDE media player
[09:41] <wangensh> edit your source.list,then,sudo apt-get update ,sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:42] <eck> have you tried gxine? i haven't used it, but i have seen it in the repos
[09:42] <imon9> btw, the totem-xine wont play well with real (they did not read my xine conf file and they do not provide possibility to specify path to real codec folder
[09:42] <wangensh> why not download real player linux edition?
[09:43] <imon9> coz in xubuntu 7.04, the xfce has a conflict with realplay and it wont show the windows after install
[09:43] <ub12> is there a way to automatically update my sources list. It says dapper. I don't trust doing it by hand
[09:43] <da_shrewd> flannel: can u login my machine n make it for me? I feel difficulties
[09:43] <imon9> i love xfmedia (but i wont associate with mms streams
[09:44] <imon9> maybe i will try gxine again
[09:44] <wangensh> oh..
[09:46] <wangensh> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/          will be the last release?
[09:46] <eck> ub12: it is pretty easy to do it by hand, i wouldn't worry about it. if you want you can just doa search and replace
[09:47] <wangensh> no update since 15 Apr
[09:47] <kraypius> I have read write permission on a file and the directories that contain it and its saying i dont
[09:48] <eck> kraypius: check that the directories are exectuable and there are no attributes on the file
[09:48] <ub12> eck thanks I found how to upgrade from dapper to edgy by using "gksu" command. I will try that
[09:48] <wangensh> sudo chmod -R 777 your-directories
[09:48] <eck> wangensh: not a good idea
[09:48] <wangensh> sudo chmod -R o+rw your-directories
[09:49] <eck> wangensh: also not a good idea -- it is better to fix the problem than anyone read and write to the directories
[09:49] <wangensh> o+rw only the owner
[09:50] <wangensh> not anyone
[09:50] <Cosmo_> is the home folder all I should backup incase I run into any problems when fiesty goes live?
[09:50] <eck> o is other, u is user
[09:50] <eck> so o is anyone :-)
[09:50] <wangensh> oh..... i need read the help...
[09:50] <eck> Cosmo_: i would backup /etc too
[09:51] <Rivethead> is there just a chat channel on irc.ubuntu ? just a chan where ppl that are up late or whatever go to bs lol ?
[09:51] <eck> Cosmo_: that is probably it unless you are running server software that has data in /var
[09:52] <eck> Rivethead: the irc network is part of freenode, there are lots of channels, most of which are not ubuntu related
[09:52] <imon9> gxine wont even play wmv...holy cow
[09:52] <Rivethead> yeah, im scrollin through the list lol.. was just seein if anyone had suggestions.
[09:53] <Cosmo_> in the nvidia-settings it is no longer showing my second monitor or letting me make adjustments to it like I was able to do before, how do I fix this?
[09:53] <eck> imon9: maybe if you build it yourself, it could be that the version of gxine in the repos just doesn't have the nonfree stuff compiled in
[09:53] <mc44> Rivethead: #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:53] <imon9> eck: oh crap :p
[09:54] <imon9> anyway: anyone know why while playing video, there is this peculiar blue distortion when playback with xine?
[09:54] <imon9> any fix?
[09:54] <mc44> imon9: use vlc instead? :p
[09:55] <imon9> mc44: vlc cant play realmedia (real video)
[09:55] <Rivethead> mc44: thanks :)
[09:55] <Nubbie> lalala: you there?
[09:55] <mc44> imon9: yeah, real media isnt that well supported unfortunately
[09:56] <lalala> yeah
[09:56] <Nubbie> teee heee hee
[09:56] <lalala> what u been doing to him rofl
[09:56] <Nubbie> cat /dev/urandom | nc -u <IP_ADDRESS> 88888
[09:56] <Nubbie> thats what.
[09:56] <Nubbie> and i've been pinging him
[09:56] <lalala> he must be lagging like shit
[09:57] <da_shrewd> flannel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16215/
[09:57] <Nubbie> like 60% packet loss off that little pecker..
[09:57] <lalala> we should get mass pingers and boot him offline
[09:57] <mrossow> hi all
[09:57] <Nubbie> lalala i'm going 4.5mb/s at him.
[09:57] <Nubbie> pure urandom goodness,.
[09:58] <BenjaminJohnston> Do you guys know about scanner support in feisty? I can't find much on it.
[09:58] <lalala> LOL!
[09:58] <lalala> ha
[09:58] <Nubbie> !xsane | benjaminjohnston
[09:58] <ubotu> benjaminjohnston: Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[09:58] <BenjaminJohnston> Ah yes, I'm familiar with these utils
[09:59] <BenjaminJohnston> I came from edgy
[09:59] <BenjaminJohnston> with the same problem
[09:59] <Nubbie> theres a nicer looking GTK utility though
[09:59] <Nubbie> forget it's name
[09:59] <Nubbie> gnome-scan
[09:59] <Nubbie> i believe.
[09:59] <BenjaminJohnston> I just really hate how i have to use vista on another disk to scan film
[09:59] <BenjaminJohnston> i really, really don't like vista
[09:59] <eck> importing scanning support is one of the focuses for the next gnome release:-)
[09:59] <Nubbie> lalala: can you ping him? i'm not sure if the packet loss is just from me sending so much
[09:59] <eck> s/importing/improving/
[09:59] <BenjaminJohnston> awesome
[10:00] <Nubbie> i've never used/seen vista, so thats saying something.
[10:00] <BenjaminJohnston> Trust me
[10:00] <mrossow> what is vista ? :P
[10:00] <BenjaminJohnston> haha
[10:01] <lalala> unknown host
[10:01] <Nubbie> lalala really?
[10:01] <lalala> yep
[10:01] <BenjaminJohnston> When is the next gnome release supposed to be available.
[10:01] <Nubbie> lol...
[10:01] <lalala> haha
[10:01] <lalala> you stole his internet
[10:01] <lalala> nice job
[10:01] <lalala> hehe
[10:01] <Nubbie> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:01] <Nubbie> that one?
[10:01] <lalala> ya
[10:01] <Nubbie> rofl.
[10:02] <lalala> nvm im getting something now
[10:02] <lalala> lol
[10:02] <MrOliber> does anyone know much about firefox and kerberos? trying to get kerberos webserver authentication working from an ubuntu client
[10:02] <eck> BenjaminJohnston: in the next release, ~6 months. you can probably get things to work as it is, but scanning support is being integrated into gtk (like printing was for the last release) or something like that
[10:02] <Nubbie> lalala: much packet loss?
[10:02] <lalala> im just doing a ping
[10:02] <BenjaminJohnston> That's what i figured
[10:02] <eck> the idea is that all the apps that could potentially use a scanner should be able to do so easily, instead of the one or two crappy ones that do it now
[10:03] <lalala> 1%
[10:03] <lalala> loss
[10:03] <moo^Min> hi
[10:03] <Nubbie> lalala: oooh :l
[10:03] <SpAc> I'm currently using XMMS... does anyone recommend a better music player?
[10:03] <Nubbie> lalala: still enough to drop his connections.
[10:03] <lalala> yep
[10:03] <Nubbie> spac: banshee
[10:03] <JanDM> Listen :)
[10:03] <Nubbie> the linux community is very divided on everything.
[10:03] <Nubbie> but banshee is the best.
[10:04] <BenjaminJohnston> ^eck   what do you think about trying the driver i use in windows through wine?
[10:04] <Nubbie> :)
[10:04] <eck> no banshee
[10:04] <BenjaminJohnston> I'm going to i think
[10:04] <BenjaminJohnston> might as well try
[10:04] <eck> BenjaminJohnston: I'm not sure, i've never tried that before
[10:04] <Nubbie> what driver?
[10:04] <Nubbie> for what?
[10:04] <SpAc> Nubbie: hahaha... thanks! I don't expect everyone to agree! Just wanted some ideas
[10:04] <BenjaminJohnston> for an epson perfection 4490photo
[10:04] <eck> banshee crashes/freezes a lot and has import problems
[10:04] <Geoffrey2> when patching a kernel source, do I need to download every patch since the last kernel version, or will just the latest patch file work?
[10:05] <SpAc> eck: what is your recommendation?
[10:05] <Nubbie> eck: banshee in dapper repositories has those problems, that was like 7 months ago.
[10:05] <Nubbie> eck: banshee 0.12.1 is very nice.
[10:05] <eck> SpAc: i just use mpd + sonata, but music players are something that people are very divided on -- you'll get a _lot_ of recommendations, because there are a lot of good programs
[10:05] <Nubbie> gmpd <--?
[10:05] <eck> Nubbie: I have a bug on it in launchpad that is still open
[10:05] <SpAc> eck: ok... i quite like mpd, so I might give sonata a go
[10:06] <Nubbie> eck: banshee? what bug?
[10:06] <eck> Nubbie: probably 1/3 of my library will not be imported
[10:06] <da_shrewd> flannel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16215/
[10:06] <da_shrewd> flannel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16215/
[10:06] <JanDM> but he uses xmms now, shouldn't we recommend audacious then?
[10:06] <Nubbie> eck: ohhh thats your bug? i filed confirming it. but only for like 5 tracks, all from the same album
[10:06] <SpAc> i kind of wanted something nice and compact like XMMS
[10:06] <Nubbie> eck: i think your mp3 encoding is crappy maybe. but like i said in the bug, there should be tolerance.
[10:06] <SpAc> ... as much as I love whitespace ;)
[10:06] <Nubbie> because gstreamer still plays the files.
[10:06] <eck> Nubbie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/63588
[10:07] <eck> Nubbie: it _plays_ them, it won't import the files
[10:07] <MrOliber> does anyone know much about firefox and kerberos? trying to get kerberos webserver authentication working from an ubuntu client
[10:07] <Nubbie> yes same error here.
[10:07] <eck> Nubbie: they are a bunch of tracks I encoded with the faac command line client
[10:08] <Nubbie> eck: why don't you file with banshee's bug reports?
[10:08] <Nubbie> eck: ubuntu isn't going to fix a bug like this.
[10:08] <BenjaminJohnston> Also... can i find an iso of feisty anywhere yet? or do i need to just wait a day or so? I keep wrecking x trying to get my onboard video card to work well on my edgy machine at work.
[10:08] <Nubbie> eck: they'd appreciate the feedback i'm sure.
[10:08] <eck> Nubbie: I am not ambitious enough to try to build it myself to reproduce it. there are also other outstanding problems (like freezing on malformed id3 tags)
[10:09] <imsdle> can anyone tell me why im getting a failed to initialise HAL on boot?
[10:10] <Nubbie> lalala: hows the packet loss doing?
[10:10] <lalala> still 1%
[10:10] <eck> actually that might be a problem in libid3tag, I had gtkpod basically halt on the same files
[10:10] <Nubbie> :l
[10:11] <Nubbie> eck: banshee now uses taglib-sharp
[10:12] <Nubbie> lalala: i think the guy got the point :)
[10:12] <lalala> yeah
[10:12] <Nubbie> lalala: plus i don't want my ISP turning me off :)
[10:12] <lalala> nah they wount
[10:12] <`davo> Hi
[10:12] <Steil> does anyone here use full disk encryption?
[10:12] <`davo> Will I be able to update to 7.04 from apt-get?
[10:12] <Nubbie> steil: ask your question
[10:12] <Nubbie> `davo: yeah, you can right now if you want.
[10:13] <`davo> apt-get then what?
[10:13] <Nubbie> `davo: i don't know if it's been released final then.
[10:13] <Nubbie> `davo: use sudo update-manager -d
[10:13] <`davo> Ah
[10:13] <imsdle> can anyone tell me why im getting a failed to initialise HAL on boot?
[10:13] <Nubbie> lalala: i sent at least 10GB at him, because my GB counter rolled over.
[10:13] <`davo> Well the site, which I haven't checked since last night says 'tommorow', so I really don't know if that was set to kick in at midnight their time, or what.
[10:13] <Steil> How badly does full disk encryption affect performance, and what kind of software is available for it
[10:14] <lalala> wow
[10:14] <JanDM> feisty has not been released
[10:14] <`davo> anyway, thanks Nubbie
[10:14] <mc44> `davo: no it hasnt been released yet
[10:14] <JanDM> yet
[10:14] <`davo> ah alright.
[10:14] <`davo> one more question
[10:14] <`davo> how do I set what programs to open on start up?
[10:14] <Rivethead> Question: is there a guide online or a way to allow multiple devices to use the sound device at the same time? LIke have Ekiga up and play a movie?
[10:14] <Nubbie> system > preferences > session
[10:14] <Chapayev> hi - need to install nvidia 128 pro drvr for 6.06...?
[10:14] <mc44> !startup | `davo
[10:14] <ubotu> `davo: To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[10:15] <`davo> nice, thanks :)
[10:15] <Nubbie> rivethead: are you having problems?
[10:15] <JanDM> I like that bot, is there a list of available commands? :P
[10:15] <Nubbie> jandm: not for playing :)
[10:15] <Rivethead> Yeah id like to have multiple programs that use sound running at the same time, but i cant seem to figure out how to do that easily.
[10:16] <JanDM> no no when I need them ;)
[10:16] <sciboy> =(
[10:16] <eck> !bot
[10:16] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:16] <mc44> !bot | JanDM
[10:16] <ubotu> JanDM: please see above
[10:16] <JanDM> thanks
[10:16] <Rivethead> I had Ekiga open earlier and i cant play a movie now cause it says " The sound device is in use "
[10:16] <Nubbie> rivethead: you have something stealing your sound card.
[10:16] <sciboy> No 3D for me.
[10:16] <Rivethead> yeah
[10:16] <Nubbie> !esd | rivethead
[10:16] <sciboy> =(
[10:16] <ubotu> rivethead: esd is the enlightened sound deamon. It's deprecated, use !alsa instead
[10:16] <Nubbie> :l
[10:16] <Nubbie> !info esd-alsa
[10:16] <Nubbie> i think...
[10:16] <ubotu> Package esd-alsa does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:16] <Nubbie> blah
[10:16] <Nubbie> somebody remember how to fix that?
[10:17] <Rivethead> So there is a way to do it though?
[10:17] <Chapayev> nice to see we're havin fun w the bot
[10:17] <Nubbie> rivethead: yes it's quite simple, i just can't recall...
[10:17] <mc44> Nubbie: change ekiga to not use esd perhaps?
[10:17] <Chapayev> !nvidia | Chapayev
[10:17] <Nubbie> ekiga is using esd?
[10:17] <Rivethead> ALSA i belive
[10:17] <mc44> shouldnt be
[10:17] <lalala> !gcc
[10:17] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:18] <eck> Nubbie: i'm building banshee right now, if I can replicate the problems I will file bug reports upstream tomorrow :-)
[10:18] <Rivethead> yeah its using the alsa plugin
[10:18] <Nubbie> eck: banshee's come a long way since 0.11.0
[10:19] <`davo> um..any mario fans in the house? you WILL enjoy this http://www.quixoticals.com/2007/04/most-frustrating-super-mario-mod-ever.html
[10:19] <Nubbie> lalala: he's pinging back to normal
[10:19] <Nubbie> !spam | `davo
[10:20] <Nubbie> where is my robot?
[10:20] <Nubbie> :o
[10:20] <`davo> uh oh, can't do that?
[10:20] <lalala> he died
[10:20] <ubotu> `davo: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[10:20] <lalala> lol
[10:20] <`davo> apologies.
[10:20] <eck> wow, building it took a lot less time than i though -- i guess that's one of the perks of mono
[10:20] <`davo> Doing the update to 7.04, and I got "Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server. "
[10:20] <Nubbie> `davo: that would be appropriate in #ubuntu-offtopic however :)
[10:20] <`davo> alright thanks lol
[10:20] <lalala> it isnt released?
[10:21] <`davo> someone said I could get it
[10:21] <Nubbie> its being released within 24 hours
[10:21] <sorcerer> does anyone play unreal tournamt 2004 ?
[10:21] <Rivethead> is there a command to just release the sound card i suppose?
[10:22] <sorcerer> i mean not have played but still pay the game ?
[10:22] <Nubbie> !info nexuiz | sorcerer (try this guy!)
[10:22] <ubotu> sorcerer (try this guy!): nexuiz: A 3d network deathmatch game. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0-1 (edgy), package size 620 kB, installed size 1636 kB
[10:22] <Rivethead> sorcerer: i do sometime.
[10:22] <lalala> !info tremulous
[10:22] <ubotu> tremulous: Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0-2 (edgy), package size 1153 kB, installed size 2740 kB
[10:22] <Nubbie> aww nice
[10:22] <mc44> `davo: you need to update to the latest update-manager
[10:23] <sorcerer> RiverRat: i mean .. is there a single player or yuou have to play with other peeople over the net and o ppl still play this game ..
[10:23] <pavs> when i click "desktop effects" in fiesty is says "the composite extension  is not available" what does it mean?
[10:23] <Chapayev> how do i look up "Device PCI ID"s  ??
[10:23] <sorcerer> and anyone here plays warcraft 3 ?
[10:23] <lalala> me
[10:23] <lalala> frozen
 `davo: you need to update to the latest update-manager
[10:23] <`davo> and I'd do that...how?
[10:23] <mc44> `davo: are you on edgy?
[10:23] <Nubbie> lalala: thats a fun game?
[10:23] <`davo> if by that, you mean 6.10
[10:23] <`davo> yes
[10:23] <lalala> yeah
[10:23] <Nubbie> lalala: i've been trying to find more games like this.
[10:24] <RiverRat> sorcerer: Single player?  I don't play with myself!  :x
[10:24] <mc44> `davo: run the update manager in systems -> admin
[10:24] <Chapayev> pavs do u have nvidia?
[10:24] <RiverRat> sorcerer: j/k
[10:24] <Nubbie> lalala: i've been hooked on neverball for years now.
[10:24] <Nubbie> !info neverball
[10:24] <ubotu> neverball: 3D arcade games: neverball & neverputt. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.0-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 158 kB, installed size 468 kB
[10:24] <lalala> whats that?
[10:24] <pavs> chapayev no ATI
[10:24] <Nubbie> lalala: 3 words: super monkey ball.
[10:24] <lalala> what types of games you like?
[10:24] <Nubbie> and golf.
[10:24] <sorcerer> does anyone have a .. kiba dock or someth other cool docks .. are they hard to set up .. ?
[10:24] <ypSami> Is it tomorrow yet?
[10:25] <Chapayev> pavs i saw somethin about it here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:25] <Nubbie> sorcerer: avant-window-navigator is cool.
[10:25] <lalala> they should do a count down timer
[10:25] <Nubbie> sorcerer: you need either beryl or compiz running though.
[10:25] <Nubbie> its been tomorrow here for quite some time.
[10:25] <`davo> so mc44
[10:25] <`davo> I update stuff, then upgrade?
[10:25] <pavs> chapayev i will check it out now thanks
[10:25] <Nubbie> but south african time...
[10:25] <lalala> yesterday it said 3 days
[10:25] <Nubbie> i think it's still late last night.
[10:25] <mc44> `davo: right
[10:25] <`davo> thanks
[10:26] <sorcerer> Nubbie: i have beryle and screenlets .. installed ..
[10:26] <sorcerer> iam trying to make my system look soo different from windows lol
[10:26] <ypSami> Also, I need to reinstall my OS tonight (I got a little too crazy with non-package installs), and so I was wondering if I could install edgy, and fiesty would upgrade seamlessly?
[10:26] <Nubbie> sorcerer: so try out AWN.
[10:26] <Nubbie> sorcerer: then get rid of KDE.
[10:27] <sorcerer> i dont have kde i have gnome
[10:27] <Nubbie> ypsami: basically.
[10:27] <lalala> can you have both kde and gnome?
[10:27] <ypSami> basically isn't "perfectly" which is what I want to hear =D
[10:27] <Nubbie> lalala: yes.
[10:27] <lalala> ahh
[10:27] <lalala> dont they interfere?
[10:28] <Nubbie> xubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop are the meta packages.
[10:28] <nizo> whats is the command in my.cnf in mysql to ignore the charecters case ?
[10:28] <Nubbie> lalala: kde programs are ultra ugly in gnome, and in general. other than that not really. other than having to run twice the amount of system services.
[10:28] <nizo> the case sentesive
[10:29] <ypSami> So what would be the drawback to installing edgy, then upgrading to fiesty?
[10:30] <Nubbie> ypsami: if you use update-manager, none really.
[10:30] <ypSami> right on
[10:30] <lalala> wount it have plenty of left over files?
[10:30] <Nubbie> not really.
[10:31] <lalala> I should reinstall my whole system
[10:31] <lalala> just for security purposes
[10:31] <ypSami> Man. You know, I left the proprietary world a year ago. Haven't used windows for anything except counter-strike, and I'm still happy.
[10:31] <Nubbie> all abandoned packages are removed, and all upgraded ones usually just replace the files themselves.
[10:31] <lalala> ahh
[10:31] <Nubbie> ypsami: you can run steam in linux i believe.
[10:31] <lalala> wine!
[10:31] <lalala> Cedega
[10:31] <Nubbie> or that.
[10:31] <florian_> Hello!
[10:32] <ypSami> Nubbie: I tried it, couldn't get it to run
[10:32] <lalala> hallo!
[10:32] <lalala> ?
[10:32] <ypSami> wine doesn't run it properly
[10:32] <lalala> 6.10?
[10:32] <florian_> I tried the latest feisty release, don't know is ist a bug or feature but:
[10:32] <florian_> all my /dev/hda .. devices are recogniced as /dev/sda ...
[10:33] <DVS01> is there a linux equivalent to securecrt?
[10:33] <florian_> lalala talking to me? No feisty 20060415
[10:33] <mc44> florian_: its a feature
[10:34] <mc44> florian_: assuming everything works ok? :)
[10:34] <florian_> mc44 Hmm related to harddisks everithing works so far ...
[10:35] <florian_> I have some Probelems with the ipw 2100 Wireless I hadn't before (6.10
[10:35] <mc44> florian_: not a bug then :)
[10:35] <florian_> Reconecting every 5 Minutes ...
[10:36] <Cam> My programs that are running in the backround disappeared on my panel..help!!!!!
[10:36] <Cam> any suggestions?
[10:36] <Cam> such as firestarter....and gaim....
[10:36] <Cam> they used to appead on my panel in gnome
[10:37] <Cam> 6.10
[10:37] <Nubbie> mc44: i have this thing, it might be related.
[10:38] <Nubbie> mc44: ever since i upgraded to feisty, randomly a dialog will pop up as if i had just inserted a blank cd, which i hadn't.
[10:38] <Nubbie> mc44: and it acts like it's mounted all the time, but there's nothing in the mount point.
[10:38] <Cam> so nobody knows how to fix my panel?
[10:38] <Cam> :(
[10:38] <mc44> Nubbie: no idea, sorry :s
[10:38] <Nubbie> mc44: do you know what might be causing this?
[10:39] <Nubbie> mc44: ahh it's cool. i'll put up with it until i get my feisty cds
[10:39] <Paul_UK> hey is 7.04 out?
[10:39] <Nubbie> it's usable, does that count?
[10:41] <mc44> Paul_UK: no its not out
[10:41] <Paul_UK> mc44: is it soon?
[10:41] <mc44> Paul_UK: should be tomorrow
[10:42] <DragoraN> Hi! Please, Is there an extension for Firefox which can perform searching like this? "g <something>" searches on Google with keywords <something>?
[10:42] <pavs> whats the differance between the released version tomorrow and the version we installed through update?
[10:42] <Nubbie> dragoran: theres a google seach built into firefox....
[10:42] <gerry_> hello
[10:42] <DragoraN> Nubbie: yes, but i need to define own shortcuts
[10:43] <Nubbie> pavs: it will be the same system.
[10:43] <gerry_> ppp0 is up, but i can't connect to internet
[10:43] <Nubbie> dragoran: search? write a plugin?
[10:43] <gerry_> i don't know what's wrong
[10:43] <Nubbie> gerry_: dns settings right?
[10:43] <Madpilot> DragoraN, Opera does that style of searching - I think Epiphany might too. Either is easy to install in Ubuntu.
[10:43] <Paul_UK> mc44: which timezone tomorrow :P
[10:43] <gerry_> Nubbie:   yes
[10:43] <mc44> Paul_UK: UTC, probably
[10:43] <Sixer_> Hi.
[10:43] <Sixer_> Received disconnect from <IP_ADDRESS>: 2: Timeout, your session not responding.
[10:44] <pavs> i am kinda confused because everyone is saying that they cant wait for fiesty but it is already available for the last 7-8 days through update....
[10:44] <Sixer_> How do I prevent this from happening?
[10:44] <florian_> Could I install a newer kernel for testing? In the actual kernel there is a bug related to acpi, preventing my notebook to boot.
[10:44] <florian_> So I would like to test a new kernel
[10:44] <Nubbie> sixer_: can you maybe elaborate?
[10:44] <Sixer_> Nubbie: My sshd appears to idle-disconnect me. Even in a tail -f
[10:44] <gerry_> Nubbie:   so i do :  sudo poff -a  and pon dsl-provider, then i can connect to inet
[10:45] <gerry_> weird
[10:45] <Sixer_> Nubbie: Keep-alive is already on in my sshd_config
[10:45] <Nubbie> sixer_: maybe you can use netcat to do a keepalive.
[10:45] <gerry_> why need i restart dsl-connect?
[10:45] <Sixer_> Nubbie: Hmm.
[10:45] <Nubbie> sixer_: try it, couldn't hurt.
[10:46] <gerry_> my dsl-connect is configured starup at boot time
[10:46] <gerry_> i can see it up by ifconfig
[10:46] <pavs> is there application that will let me do google/yahoo serach through terminal? :)
[10:46] <gerry_> but i can't connect to inet
[10:46] <Nubbie> pavs: links
[10:46] <gerry_> untill i restart dsl-connection
[10:47] <florian_> Sorry, lost connection ...
[10:47] <florian_> Any hints for a new kernel?
[10:47] <florian_> Or is it possible to downgrade kernel?
[10:48] <Sixer_> florian_: Uhm, ftp.kernel.org ?
[10:48] <gerry_> it's annoying
[10:48] <Sixer_> pavs: 'links'
[10:48] <florian_> Sixer_ OK, I know that ... but it may be a lot off work to get that working with feisty ...
[10:49] <Sixer_> gerry_: Is it properly configured in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[10:49] <pavs> wow just installed links awesome :)
[10:49] <florian_> Sixer_ I thought it may be there an ubuntu testing kernel.
[10:49] <Sixer_> pavs: Yeah Links is great
[10:49] <pavs> thanks for the info
[10:49] <florian_> prepered for ubuntu allready.
[10:49] <gerry_> auto dsl-provider
[10:49] <gerry_> iface dsl-provider inet ppp
[10:49] <gerry_> pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
[10:49] <gerry_> provider dsl-provider
[10:49] <commonlyUNIQU3> hello
[10:50] <Sixer_> gerry_: ok, PPPoE ?
[10:50] <gerry_> Sixer:yeah
[10:50] <Sixer_> gerry_: Hm
[10:50] <commonlyUNIQU3> quick Q:  anybody here run an Asterisk server on their main desktop?
[10:50] <Sixer_> gerry_: You should let yer router do the PPPing imho
[10:51] <commonlyUNIQU3> or is it best left to a stand alone box...?
[10:51] <gerry_> Sixer: after restart ppp,   it worked well
[10:51] <gerry_> sudo poff ;  pon dsl-provider
[10:52] <Sixer_> gerry_: Then it's not really being started on startup in the first place I'd say
[10:52] <Sixer_> But I'm no pppd expert
[10:53] <gerry_> my eth0 connected to dsl-modem, and eth1 connected local network
[10:53] <gerry_> Sixer:   i can see ppp0 is up using ifconfig
[10:53] <Nubbie> sixer_: psycholicious?
[10:53] <Sixer_> Nubbie: Thats me
[10:53] <znejk> hello how do u remove schema or options in gconf?
[10:53] <commonlyUNIQU3> quit
[10:54] <Bhaskar1> i have LTSP package i want to integrate LTSP5 offline how??
[10:55] <Nubbie> bhaskar1: double click it?
[10:55] <gerry_> any ideas?
[10:56] <Bhaskar1> Nubbie, no such doble click package
[10:56] <gerry_> anyone use pppoe here?
[10:59] <andres_> #ubuntu-es
[11:00] <NixHost> is ubuntu.com down?
[11:00] <USMarine> i don't get why people do channel pub
[11:00] <USMarine> NixHost only for you
[11:00] <`davo> anyone have success installing the latest version of gTwitter?
[11:01] <gerry_> ppp0 is up, why i can't  connect inet?
[11:01] <znejk> how to remove keys in gconf?
[11:02] <Nubbie> znejk: gconf-editor
[11:02] <NixHost> just firefox that hanged .P
[11:02] <yong> hi eo
[11:03] <znejk> Nubbie: yes but i want to totally remove all compiz keys and that dosnt work
[11:03] <znejk> Nubbie: must i remove every single key then?
[11:04] <johnt> Hi Folks Can anyone tell me how to open a .wmf file in a text editor?? Gedit will not do it for me
[11:05] <Nubbie> johnt: right click, open with other application.
[11:05] <sciboy> I need some help, "agpgart: Aperture conflicts with PCI mapping." "agpgart: Arperture too small (0mb)"
[11:05] <USMarine> sciboy increaste that in the bios
 it says it is unable to read the encoding
[11:05] <USMarine> increase*
[11:06] <sciboy> USMarine: I don't know what to look for.
[11:06] <USMarine> agp aperture size
[11:06] <USMarine> the amount of ram agp can use
[11:06] <sciboy> So just reboot + del and go hunting?
[11:07] <USMarine> ye
[11:07] <USMarine> pretty much
[11:07] <sciboy> I'll check again, but last time i saw nothing.
[11:07] <Paul_UK> has anyone installed codeweavers crossover 6.0.1 pro?
[11:08] <corinth> Feisty comes out tomorrow?
[11:08] <commonlyUNIQU3> yay!  looking forward to giving Fiesty a go!
[11:08] <corinth> Yeah, me too
[11:08] <Paul_UK> yeah im waiting for fiesty as well
[11:09] <commonlyUNIQU3> has anyone tried the beta?  any impressions of wifi improvements?
[11:09] <mc44> it depends on your card
[11:09] <corinth> I've got a tower, I wouldn't know.
[11:09] <Paul_UK> has 3d been incorporated into the gui?
[11:09] <commonlyUNIQU3> corinth: me to
[11:09] <commonlyUNIQU3> *too
[11:10] <corinth> Anyone planning on checking out Ubuntu Studio?
[11:10] <mc44> Paul_UK: not by default but it is very easy to turn on, depending on your card
[11:10] <johnt> Hi Folks Can anyone tell me how to open a .wmf file in a text editor?? Gedit will not do it for me
[11:10] <Paul_UK> mc44: got a radeon mobility :(
[11:10] <johnt> Gedit says it is unable to read the encoding
[11:10] <commonlyUNIQU3> ATI = not fun
[11:10] <commonlyUNIQU3> :(
[11:11] <Paul_UK> yeah i know it sucks for linux, but thats what i got with my laptop
[11:11] <commonlyUNIQU3> same here - so I sold my laptop
[11:11] <commonlyUNIQU3> lol
[11:11] <USMarine> i bought an nvidia card with my laptop
[11:11] <Paul_UK> lol well mine is 5 years old now, works really well, so no need to get rid of it
[11:11] <USMarine> exclusively to not have trouble getting 3d to work
[11:12] <corinth> So, Ubuntu Studio anyone?
[11:12] <commonlyUNIQU3> Paul_UK: true dat
[11:12] <Paul_UK> anyone tried crossover?
[11:12] <commonlyUNIQU3> Ubuntu Studio?
[11:12] <devian__> hai is the Nvidia support Open Source now??
[11:12] <corinth> Haven't heard of it?
[11:12] <devian__> are they give their sources??
[11:12] <corinth> http://ubuntustudio.org/
[11:12] <commonlyUNIQU3> maybe I've seen it on Digg...
[11:12] <USMarine> devian__ i dont think so
[11:13] <corinth> It looks interesting.
[11:13] <zeb_se> noob question: how do i upgrade feisty later ?
[11:13] <corinth> It's supposed to launch alongside Feisty
[11:13] <USMarine> zeb_se replace edgy with festy in sources
[11:13] <Jordan_U> USMarine, NO
[11:13] <USMarine> and aptitude update
[11:13] <zeb_se> ok thx :)
[11:13] <Jordan_U> zeb_se, Don't do that
[11:13] <mc44> USMarine: no
[11:13] <johnt> Please people I am trying to edit a .wmf file can anyone help??
[11:13] <zeb_se> no ?
[11:14] <commonlyUNIQU3> USMarine: does that actually work?
[11:14] <mc44> USMarine: dont advise that
[11:14] <Jordan_U> zeb_se, That is not the correct way to upgrade
[11:14] <mc44> commonlyUNIQU3: it is not recommended
[11:14] <sciboy> Nope couldn't find anything relevant.
[11:14] <mc44> commonlyUNIQU3: and will probably break things
[11:14] <mc44> The correct way is to use update-manager
[11:14] <mc44> !upgrade
[11:14] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:14] <USMarine> hmm, never heard of that
[11:14] <commonlyUNIQU3> mc44: thanks, that's what I've thought/experienced
[11:14] <sciboy> I went through all the menus and couldn't find anything.
[11:14] <corinth> I've never upgraded from within ubuntu to the next release, is it buggy?
[11:14] <devian__> So still the revere Engg is thr only way for gettinng support the HWs??
[11:15] <mc44> USMarine: it uses magic to prevent apt problems and so on
[11:15] <zeb_se> ok that sounds more like it
[11:15] <sciboy> USMarine: Any other ideas?
[11:15] <mc44> corinth: it shouldnt be
[11:15] <corinth> Nice.
[11:15] <Sacrament>
[11:16] <Jordan_U> devian__, I think this will answer your question rather comprehensively: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/mgp00001.html
[11:16] <Sacrament> Do you speak RUSSIA?
[11:16] <commonlyUNIQU3> how about an Edgy-to-Fiesty upgrade via CD?
[11:16] <Jordan_U> commonlyUNIQU3, Yes, you can use the alternate install CD for offline upgrades
[11:16] <USMarine> Sacrament no, only russian
[11:16] <Sacrament>
[11:17] <zeb_se> my installation is brand new so if i have to redo it from start it would be no cathastopy
[11:17] <commonlyUNIQU3> Jordan_U, is it reliable?
[11:17] <corinth> Is an online upgrade the way to go with a fast connection?
[11:17] <Sacrament> USMarine ~  ?
[11:17] <Jordan_U> commonlyUNIQU3, Yes
[11:17] <commonlyUNIQU3> hmmm
[11:18] <Jordan_U> corinth, I would say so
[11:18] <commonlyUNIQU3> I'm trying to decide if I should just make a list of all the apps I have, and start over (my /home is on a seperate hdd)...
[11:18] <corinth> Alright, thanks.
[11:18] <Sacrament> corinth ~
[11:18] <corinth> What was that?
[11:18] <commonlyUNIQU3> sounds like I should at least try the cd upgrade first...
[11:18] <Sacrament> corinth ~
[11:18] <Jordan_U> commonlyUNIQU3, The online upgrade is just as reliable
[11:19] <mc44> Sacrament: english only in here please
[11:19] <mc44> !ru | Sacrament
[11:19] <ubotu> Sacrament:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:19] <commonlyUNIQU3> ??
[11:19] <commonlyUNIQU3> ok ubuntu friends, thanks for the chat - I'm off to bed...
[11:20] <Sacrament> mc44 ~You who?
[11:20] <corinth> Night
[11:20] <corinth> I think I might try Ubuntu Studio before I install the regular feisty release.
[11:20] <corinth> I'm intrigued by what I've read, and the few screenshots.
[11:21] <Sacrament> corinth ~
[11:21] <zcat[1] > sigh.. I want my feisty!
[11:21] <Sacrament> hi
[11:21] <Sacrament> hi friki
[11:21] <Sacrament> )))
[11:21] <corinth> Anyone else planning on checking it out?
[11:21] <mc44> Sacrament: /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:22] <tyler> who is still running 6.06?
[11:22] <Sacrament> mc44 ~
[11:23] <Sacrament> b rfr dfv nen&
[11:23] <Sacrament>
[11:23] <Sacrament>
[11:23] <Sacrament>
[11:23] <Sacrament>
[11:23] <zcat[1] > Sacrament: ?
[11:23] <mc44> !ops
[11:23] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda or mneptok
[11:23] <gnomefreak> Sacrament: english only please
[11:24] <gnomefreak> mc44: im here
[11:24] <mc44> gnomefreak: sorry :s
[11:24] <zcat[1] > mc44, He's gone already
[11:24] <Paul_UK> hey, how do i disable Cups?
[11:24] <tyler> 6.06?  anyone?
[11:24] <zcat[1] > tyler, on the server, yeah
[11:24] <mc44> zcat[1] : heh I cant cope with join/parts turned on in here
[11:25] <tyler> or as there desktop os?
[11:25] <zcat[1] > verne's still got 606 on the desktop.. why?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> tyler: what is your question
[11:25] <zcat[1] > just curious or did you have a question?
[11:26] <JohnRobert> how can I send a message to all ssh'ed in users?
[11:26] <JohnRobert> (system message or something)
[11:26] <zcat[1] > JohnRobert, wall
[11:26] <JohnRobert> ta
[11:27] <JohnRobert> wall "anyone fancy making the coffee today? :)"
[11:27] <JohnRobert> :D
[11:27] <tyler> I know there why there is a big buzz about the new version, but I have found 6.06 ridiculously stable.
[11:27] <zcat[1] > JohnRobert, echo "anyone fancy making the coffee today?" | wall
[11:27] <JohnRobert> the way I did it seemed to work
[11:27] <corinth> 22 hours left, eek!
[11:27] <corinth> Lol.
[11:27] <corinth> Night, everyone.
[11:28] <zcat[1] > oh.... it didn't used to work that way iirc..
[11:28] <JohnRobert>        wall [-n]  [ message ]
[11:28] <zcat[1] > zcat@aragog:~$ wall "test"
[11:28] <zcat[1] > wall: will not read test - use stdin.
[11:28] <JohnRobert> heh
[11:29] <lizardmenke> which .iso do I need for a "oem" install?
[11:29] <zcat[1] > lizardmenke, alternative
[11:30] <StOORm> whats oem install ?
[11:30] <lizardmenke> zcat[1] , thanks
[11:30] <zcat[1] > stoorm: basic install with a generic machine and username, nothing preconfiguered. Kinda like oem windows
[11:31] <zcat[1] > stoorm: useful if you want to flog a machine off on ebay and don't want it to have no OS.
[11:32] <StOORm> ah ok
[11:32] <StOORm> thanks
[11:33] <zcat[1] > how do I set up software raid btw; can I do that with the regular desktop disk?
[11:33] <HObbES1> anyone wanna help a noob setup ubuntu server? i'm totally stuck, even after reading the faqs =/
[11:34] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, set up a desktop then add ubuntu-lamp (or whatever server stuff you want) off the repos. It's easier...
[11:34] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - give me a little minute and I'll run thru it with you
[11:36] <jhaig> HObbES1: Ask your questions and someone may be able to help.
[11:36] <HObbES1> allrite well ive finished installing ubuntu server
[11:36] <HObbES1> im at the prompt
[11:36] <HObbES1> im trying to get the gui
[11:36] <USMarine> starx?
[11:36] <USMarine> startx*
[11:36] <HObbES1> i typed- sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:36] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, there is no gui on a a server install :)
[11:36] <HObbES1> which i read on a guide
[11:37] <Ollie|> if you are using it as the server you don't really need the gui
[11:37] <USMarine> servers dont need X ye
[11:37] <HObbES1> well i'd like to set it up so i can remote into it from my windows pc
[11:37] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - I asumed that the sever by default was gui-less, and missing X - why would you need a GUI on a server?
[11:37] <Ollie|> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=74c7f5d9548a387bd3322723c8de80fc&t=186298
[11:37] <HObbES1> well its my first linux install, i figured having a gui would help things speed along
[11:37] <jhaig> HObbES1: You will need the ssh server for that.
[11:37] <VSpike> might be an application server
[11:38] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, You need to install 'putty' on your windows machine then
[11:38] <ajehuk> VSpike - since when did an application server require a local GUI?
[11:38] <Ollie|> HObbES1 it might seem strange at first but having no gui ends up being a lot quicker and easier
[11:38] <HObbES1> allrite i'll give that a shot Ollie
[11:38] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - first things first, what did you want to use the server for?
[11:38] <VSpike> ajehuk: not a local one, but you'd still need to install the same stuff, surely?
[11:39] <Ollie|> I personally would install webmin, not a gui but makes administrating servers a lot easier
[11:39] <VSpike> ajehuk: apart from arguably the x server I s'pose
[11:39] <Ollie|> I found this quite helpful http://www.howtoforge.com/lamp_installation_ubuntu6.06?from=10&comments_per_page=10
[11:39] <ajehuk> VSpike - depends on the application server...
[11:39] <HObbES1> well ajehuk id like it to connect to the internet using my motorola cable modem, and have ubuntu share the connection to my home network
[11:39] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, If you're accessing it remotely from a windows box, it's rather hard to do any gui stuff anyhow.. if you're ssh'd from a linux desktop you can run GUI commands and tunnel the display back to your local machine.
[11:40] <coz_> I have a package in auto update that insists on being installed, I don't need this installed, is there a way to prevnt it from being installed?
[11:40] <ajehuk> HObbES1 so we are taling a gateway, - anything else required on the box? firewall / IDS etc..?
[11:40] <ajehuk> *talking
[11:40] <VSpike> ajehuk: yeah.  I was just thinking of the unix equiv of an MS terminal server.  I'm sure you could be more selective in linux as to what you installed, just to get the bits you need
[11:40] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, but if as you say it's your first time with Linux, I stick by my original suggestion; do a desktop install and then add the server stuff you need.. it's easier to admin that way imho..
[11:40] <topato> on jeans, you have these small straps that you fit your belt in .. what are those called in english? :)
[11:41] <ajehuk> VSpike - Yeah, but I still dont see why anyone would waste server resources on running local X sessions when they are not being used...
[11:41] <coz_> topato, loops
[11:41] <kalin> i'm in gnome-terminal, is there some way to make it non-wrapping?
[11:41] <zcat[1] > ajehuk; it's easy enough to turn off gdm when you're not using it..
[11:41] <VSpike> ajehuk: I think we're violently agreeing :)
[11:41] <b33r> Hello, I installed Celestia it worked fine for a few days, but now when I open it, it shows the NVIDIA logo then crashes and send me back to the user login screen, does anyone know why? :/
[11:41] <ajehuk> VSpike - I resent that remark :)
[11:42] <VSpike> lol
[11:42] <Ollie|> ubuntu server + webmin + openssh + phpmyadmin + proftp + phpsysinfo and putty ssh client for windows = perfect install for a newbie
[11:42] <zcat[1] > and even if you leave it running, the overhead of a swapped-out GDM login is what, exactly?
[11:42] <HObbES1> no ajehuk, just gateway
[11:42] <HObbES1> i want it to just run, taking off the monitor
[11:42] <HObbES1> and a fileserver
[11:43] <HObbES1> adding stuff as i go along
[11:43] <HObbES1> mainly, i want it to share the connection to the internet, and handle some simple portforwarding for torrents etc
[11:43] <HObbES1> and allow people on my network to upload files to it
[11:43] <ajehuk> zcat[1]  - But why install it? the mre you install the more complexity you introduce anf the more issues you have with vulnerabilities etc.. I agree that for a first time linux user a gui makes more sense, however I wouldnt put a desktop or desktop alls for local use on a server, as for resources - if its a gateway you need what- a P2 with 64 Mb Ram? GDM and an X server would use quite a bit of that.
[11:44] <tuxcrafter> how do i create a directory specific umask?
[11:44] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - are the other machines on your nework windows or linux (for the purposes of file sharing)
[11:44] <VSpike> coz_: I know you can do that in aptitude
[11:44] <coz_> VSpike, tried there or I am just not seeing the option
[11:44] <nazgjunk> hey, where to does apt-get/synaptic download package files?
[11:44] <fiery_cleric> tuxcrafter:  mkdir -m ... look at the man page
[11:44] <nazgjunk> I'm afraid i won't be able to do a system update
[11:45] <fiery_cleric> tuxcrafter: assuming terminal
[11:45] <Sacrament>  ?
[11:45] <HObbES1> ajehuk. all windows pcs
[11:45] <VSpike> coz_: it's either keep or hold, and i can never remember the difference
[11:45] <nazgjunk> 971MB download, and 300MB required in the end  -  while i've only got 700MB free on /usr
[11:45] <tuxcrafter> fiery_cleric: i want it to be the default behave a user should not manually specify it
[11:45] <coz_> VSpike, no there is a freeze version option but that doesn't do it
[11:45] <Sacrament>
[11:45] <Sacrament>
[11:45] <Sacrament>
[11:46] <Sacrament>
[11:46] <Sacrament>
[11:46] <Sacrament>
[11:46] <fiery_cleric> tuxcrafter: umask
[11:46] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - OK so thats Iptables for your port management, samba for file sharing, maybe webmin for management... - what is the spec of the PC? and what kind of cable modem is it? (and how do you intend to connect the cable modem to the PC?)
[11:46] <HObbES1> ajehuk- its a p3 900, 1g ram
[11:47] <nazgjunk> hm, apt-get clean freed up some space on /etc, so i'll asume that the package files go to /etc/somewhere
[11:47] <HObbES1> and heres the hard part... its a cable modem
[11:47] <nazgjunk> good
[11:47] <fiery_cleric> tuxcrafter: that will effect all created files
[11:47] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - PC spec is good then , overkill dor wat you want to use it for.... cable modem?
[11:47] <yellow_chicken> hi
[11:47] <HObbES1> yeah its got usb and ethernet
[11:47] <HObbES1> at the moments its connected to a windows pc
[11:47] <HObbES1> using microsoft ics
[11:47] <HObbES1> its connected using usb
[11:47] <HObbES1> so that the server pc can connect to my hub via ethernet
[11:48] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - how many ethernet ports do you have on that PC?
[11:48] <gordonjcp> HObbES1: does the cable modem have an ethernet card?
[11:48] <HObbES1> just 1
[11:48] <tuxcrafter> fiery_cleric: if a user creates a file in /home/$user/ it should have a mask of 600 if a user creates a file in /home/$user/share/ it should have a mask of 660 and this must go automatically so no manual chmods.
[11:48] <HObbES1> nah its an older cable modem, only the ethernet or usb can used
[11:48] <mc44> mneptok: gracias
[11:48] <jrib> tuxcrafter: research ACL's
[11:48] <mneptok> mc44: de nada
[11:48] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - so I asume you also have a seperate hub?
[11:49] <HObbES1> yeah
[11:49] <gordonjcp> HObbES1: use ethernet, USB sucks
[11:49] <mtholdenss> hey
[11:49] <mtholdenss> what time zone is fiesty being released?
[11:49] <mneptok> mtholdenss: all of them
[11:49] <Andiez> Hello
[11:49] <HObbES1> does that mean i need to get another ethernet card?
[11:49] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - I would concur with gordonjcp - to avoid a huge number of issues I would get a second ethernet card for the PC you want to use as the gateway - one out to the modem one in to the hub
[11:49] <mtholdenss> mneptok so australia and new zealand will get it at the same time then?
[11:49] <Zoiks> hey, im trying to install ubuntu 7.04 on a friends laptop however under the partion section of the install, when I click manual partition I cannot make a boot or / partition type
[11:49] <gordonjcp> mneptok: when feisty is officially released, does that mean we can start asking feisty questions in here?
[11:49] <zcat[1] > most modems (even if they only have one port) can act as a gateway for more than one machine.. you just plug the modem directly into your hub and tell all the machines to use the modem IP as a gateway..
[11:49] <Zoiks> any ideas?
[11:50] <gordonjcp> HObbES1: yeah, definitely
[11:50] <HObbES1> allrite i'll get an ethernet card tomorrow
[11:50] <HObbES1> okay another question
[11:50] <mneptok> mtholdenss: yes
[11:50] <mneptok> gordonjcp: yes
[11:50] <gordonjcp> HObbES1: I missed the first part of this - are you trying to share your cable modem between a couple of PCs?
[11:50] <HObbES1> at the moment the ubuntu machine is on the network, i can ping internal and external ip, but dns is busted
[11:50] <VSpike> coz_: I think "sudo aptitude hold <packagename>" will do it
[11:50] <HObbES1> how do i manually assign dns
[11:50] <mtholdenss> mneptok, i mean australia and new zealand get it first i mean, sorry
[11:50] <mneptok> mtholdenss: it is released worldwide at the same instant
[11:50] <tuxcrafter> jrib: cant it be done with traditional unix file premisions
[11:50] <gordonjcp> HObbES1: there's probably a proper "Ubuntu Way" but I just manually edit /etc/resolv.conf
[11:50] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - can the modem not be used to share web access direclty via the hub?
[11:51] <HObbES1> nah it cant ajehuk
[11:51] <fiery_cleric> tuxcrafter: look at the sticky bit on directories
[11:51] <HObbES1> unfortunately
[11:51] <coz_> VSpike, let me try it
[11:51] <mtholdenss> mneptok and do we have any idea when that is? cause its like 4-5 hrs till its the 19th here
[11:51] <jrib> tuxcrafter: not that I know of
[11:51] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - just checking...
[11:51] <HObbES1> gordonjcp stupid question but how do i edit /etc/resolv.conf?
[11:51] <VSpike> HObbES1: it's a USB modem for ADSL?
[11:51] <HObbES1> yeah
[11:52] <zcat[1] > mtholdenss, last time is was about 10pm on 'release day' - almost the next day in NZ before it was released
[11:52] <andres_> buenas
[11:52] <HObbES1> motorola sb5100
[11:52] <HObbES1> cable modem
[11:52] <andres_> #ubuntu-es
[11:52] <coz_> VSpike, nope that doesn't work
[11:52] <contents> Hi all, I've got a potential partitioning problem here...
[11:52] <ajehuk> gordonjcp - HObbES1 - before you start editing the resolv.conf - I would check if dhcp is being used to configure the connection and/or if the cable modem can issue dns servers via dhcp - saves hassle in the long run..
[11:52] <contents> I'm trying to shrink a partition on an external drive, and gparted is hanging. It's been hanging for hours. When I try to cancel, it warns me that it might cause severe filesystem damage.
[11:53] <gordonjcp> ajehuk: ye
[11:53] <mneptok> mtholdenss: 19th UTC
[11:53] <HObbES1> guys at the moment the ubuntu pc isnt the server, its just on the network
[11:53] <VSpike> coz_: Can you be more specific?
[11:53] <HObbES1> i was just trying to get it to connect so i can get updates
[11:53] <mneptok> HObbES1: nslookup cnn.cm
[11:53] <gordonjcp> ajehuk: actually I use DHCP on my PC at work, with /etc/resolv.conf manually tweaked to avoid the broken horrible dns forwarder our office has
[11:53] <mneptok> errr
[11:53] <mneptok> HObbES1: nslookup cnn.com
[11:54] <mtholdenss> oh darn, so i may have to wait till friday arvo for it to be available.. for australia is a day ahead
[11:54] <coz_> VSpike, well that particular command in terminal gives a read out that it cannot find that packge then it reads that package is on hold then doing update show that that package is ready to install
[11:54] <ajehuk> gordonjcp - same here but most people dont need to (or dont know they need to, ISP's are so 'good' when it comes to dns...)
[11:54] <mneptok> mtholdenss: you could move to Perth. that's dang near UTC ;)
[11:54] <VSpike> can you pastebin the output?
[11:54] <HObbES1> nslookup gave me nothing =/
[11:54] <coz_> VSpike, sure hold on
[11:54] <mneptok> HObbES1: nslookup cnn.com <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:54] <gordonjcp> HObbES1: if you're trying to share your cable modem, you might be better to get some old Pentium and stick two network cards in, and install one of the many many firewall distros
[11:54] <mtholdenss> mneptok, oh well its only a extra day, no big fuss, just another school day to pass by then have the weekend to play with it...
[11:55] <gordonjcp> HObbES1: I recommend m0n0wall as a nice easy-to-use firewall
[11:55] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - could you tell me how your network connection on this box is currently set up? did you configure manually or via dhcp?
[11:55] <HObbES1> on this windows pc im on?
[11:55] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, on windows, in a cmd shell, what does ipconfig say?
[11:55] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - I meant on the ubuntu bo but either will do..
[11:56] <HObbES1> well on this windows pc- manually configured ip, manually configured gateway (which is another windows pc)
[11:56] <HObbES1> the gateway windows pc is connected to the cable modem via usb
[11:56] <HObbES1> and the connection to the net is shared via ics
[11:56] <zcat[1] > HObbES1: the one connected to the modem, what's the IP and netmask and gateway of whatever interface is physically connected to the cable modem?
[11:56] <mneptok> HObbES1: nslookup cnn.com <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:57] <coz_> VSpike, http://pastebin.ca/446152
[11:57] <HObbES1> mneptok- timed out, no servers could be rreached
[11:58] <mneptok> HObbES1: then you do not have an actual Internet connection
[11:58] <HObbES1> oh right
[11:58] <mneptok> HObbES1: 2 machines go through a hub to a cable modem?
[11:58] <mneptok> HObbES1: no router?
[11:58] <HObbES1> the ubuntu machine is connected to the router
[11:59] <HObbES1> cant i get it to connect ot the net through the gateway pc like my current pc?
[11:59] <mneptok> HObbES1: why not use the router?
[11:59] <HObbES1> i dont think i can bridge the cable modem with the router
[11:59] <mneptok> HObbES1: of course you can.
[12:00] <HObbES1> how?
[12:00] <mneptok> HObbES1: cable modem -> router
[12:00] <HObbES1> with crossover?
[12:00] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, bet you a dollar that if you turn off ICS, plug the cable modems RJ45 into the hub, and reboot both machines (windows and linux)  they'll  both dhcp themselves a working connection.
[12:00] <mneptok> HObbES1: this is what a router is for. to route traffic between logically isolated networks.
[12:00] <mneptok> zcat[1] : bet you $50 you're wrong
[12:01] <mneptok> 99% of US cable ISP filter by MAC address
[12:01] <zcat[1] > mneptok, you think so?
[12:01] <HObbES1> zcat[1]  i think the cable modem is configured (among other things) to work through usb, and only communicate with the gateway pc
[12:01] <HObbES1> i could easily be mistaken
[12:01] <mneptok> HObbES1: you have network configuration problems. not Ubuntu problems.
[12:02] <HObbES1> haha thats also true
[12:02] <mneptok> HObbES1: you want to be talking to your ISP
[12:02] <HObbES1> yeeah perhaps i might be able to bridge the cable modem with the router
[12:02] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, he already said it had usb and rj45... I'd not be at all surprised if it was doing nat and dhcp, and passing out 10.0.0.* addresses
[12:02] <mneptok> HObbES1: don't use the term "bridge" with them. it'll confuse things.
[12:03] <mneptok> you aren't doing any bridging
[12:03] <HObbES1> oh right sorry
[12:03] <zcat[1] > although my experience is mostly with adsl, not cable modems..
[12:03] <HObbES1> my router is an adsl modem/router
[12:04] <HObbES1> i could probably use it as just a router
[12:04] <HObbES1> at the moment everything is going through an 8 port hub
[12:04] <HObbES1> which complicates things
[12:04] <HObbES1> id like to remove all the unnecessary crap from my setup =)
[12:04] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - if the modem is a router - you shouldnt need to do any other sharing...
[12:05] <HObbES1> ajehuk could i connect the cable modem to the hub?
[12:05] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - and the hub shouldnt complicate anything... - ever box on the lan should be able to get out to the net (if as you say the router is a nat router with dhcp)
[12:05] <ajehuk> HObbES1 - yep thats what I am saying
[12:05] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, the best way to find out is just do it...
[12:05] <fiery_cleric> the cable modem is a bridge between the coaxial network and its ethernet port .... at least mine is... it does no ip routing
[12:05] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, but remember what you change, in case it diesn't work and you have to change it back.
[12:05] <HObbES1> yeah
[12:06] <HObbES1> so do i even need the router?
[12:06] <HObbES1> can i just use the ethernet hub and modem?
[12:07] <mneptok> HObbES1: you NEED a router
[12:07] <HObbES1> right
[12:07] <fiery_cleric> HObbES1: no ... u need to have a box that is the endpoint ... either a router or a pc
[12:07] <ajehuk> ml360's and try doing multipurpose stuff, for simple POE (on a larger scale) sun boxes and debian rock, - for home I use linksys kit (its cisco right(?)) but everything with open software - no fun otherwise.. hell even my ipaq runs familiar linux...
[12:07] <thio> hello how can i use this chat?
[12:07] <mneptok> whether it is inside the cable modem or not is up to you
[12:07] <HObbES1> allrite
[12:07] <HObbES1> ill go have a look at the cable router settings
[12:07] <HObbES1> thanks for all the help
[12:08] <mneptok> HObbES1: a cable modem and hub alone will not work.
[12:08] <HObbES1> i'll be back eventually for actual ubuntu help =)
[12:08] <HObbES1> i'll try eliminating the hub and just use the router and cable modem
[12:08] <HObbES1> see what i can do
[12:09] <zcat[1] > HObbES1, I don't know much about cable modems, but most adsl modems I've run into also do routing/nat/whatever as well...
[12:09] <zcat[1] > damn, he's gone..
[12:09] <zcat[1] > I guess if I'm right, he'll be back shortly
[12:10] <zcat[1] > (and if I'm wrong, he might never find his way back!)
[12:11] <dejand> hello
[12:11] <dejand> error while loading shared
[12:11] <dejand> libraries: libcrypto.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:12] <dejand> what do i must install
[12:14] <fiery_cleric> look for libcrypto.so.2 file at packages.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <fiery_cleric> it will tell what package it is in
[12:14] <zcat[1] > dejand, apt-cache search libcrypto  -- gives a list of packages. looks like libcrypto++5.2c2a would be the most likely, but I'm just guessing
[12:16] <moDumass> evening all, how do i map "Space" + Mouse key one to initiate rotatiopn of my cube, every time i try it just ignores it and repaces it with "None"
[12:17] <zcat[1] > fiery_cleric: hmm, apaprently it's libssl-dev  :_)
[12:18] <kippi> what is the default firewall for Ubuntu?
[12:18] <mc44> kippi: there is n
[12:18] <bullgard4> My program 'Gnome System Monitor' lists for my / partition: "free 4,3 GB, available 3,7 GB." What is the difference between 'free' and 'available'?
[12:18] <mc44> kippi: there is no firewall by default
[12:18] <zcat[1] > kippi, default firewall rules are 'accept all'
[12:18] <mc44> !firewall | kippi
[12:18] <ubotu> kippi: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:18] <kippi> ah iptables, thanks
[12:19] <zcat[1] > kippi: firestarter is a much easier way to administrate your firewall..
[12:19] <zcat[1] > !firestarter
[12:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:19] <zcat[1] > hmm......
[12:19] <osio> hello
[12:19] <osio> has someone installed the server version of feisty?
[12:20] <zcat[1] > osio: I'm waiting until tomorrow
[12:20] <zcat[1] > osio: I've been runnign the desktop since beta though
[12:20] <osio> me too
[12:20] <mellow_bunny> im waiting on the release to install the server
[12:21] <osio> i am asking because of LAMP
[12:21] <mellow_bunny> i have 6.10 lamp running at home.. but i fudged the ftp X_X
[12:21] <mellow_bunny> so i decided to wait and just start from scratch
[12:21] <UberPsyX> hi, sorry for sounding like a newb but i just bought a new pci graphics card, do i have to take out my old graphics card or can i keep it in there?
[12:22] <mellow_bunny> im excited about the virtualisation prospects..
[12:22] <zcat[1] > osio, you probably should ask on #ubuntu+1..
[12:22] <osio> okay
[12:22] <osio> thanx
[12:22] <sciboy> I need some help finding a reason and solution to: http://sh.nu/p/18537
[12:22] <dejand> okej i added some new machines in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[12:22] <dejand> how do i restart it now?
[12:23] <dejand> what i could just
[12:23] <dejand> ping hostname
[12:23] <dejand> not whole ip
[12:23] <zcat[1] > dejand, for that you want to add them in /etc/hosts
[12:24] <dejand> no,
[12:24] <dejand> i have that done by that .conf but works after reboot
[12:24] <dejand> but i dont want reboot
[12:24] <UberPsyX> hi, sorry for sounding like a newb but i just bought a new pci graphics card, do i have to take out my old graphics card or can i keep it in there?
[12:24] <zcat[1] > dejand, /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart  probably
[12:24] <fiery_cleric> sciboy: have u tried what the error message suggests?
[12:24] <sciboy> fiery_cleric, Yes and no change.
[12:24] <moDumass> hey whats that channel you guys send us to for beryl questions? its like ubuntu_effects
[12:25] <zcat[1] > !beryl
[12:25] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:25] <mellow_bunny> UberPsyX is your old card pci as well or agp?
[12:25] <mellow_bunny> it's a good idea to just straight replace
[12:25] <mellow_bunny> so as not to confuse the system to much
[12:25] <fiery_cleric> sciboy: the aperture size is way too big
[12:25] <UberPsyX> mellow_bunny: err i dunno i think its pci as the monitor port is coming from a pci card
[12:26] <sciboy> fiery_cleric, I wouldn't know how to change it though.
[12:26] <fiery_cleric> sciboy: what driver?
[12:26] <sciboy> fiery_cleric, agpgart/nvidia.
[12:26] <mellow_bunny> UberPsyX: your best bet is to try and replace it and not have the two running at once
[12:27] <UberPsyX> mellow_bunny: damn i thought it would be cool to have 2 cards at the same time :P ok thanks for the help
[12:27] <fiery_cleric> sciboy: have u looked at the nvidia driver README
[12:28] <mellow_bunny> UberPsyX: there really is no point unless you have a specific use in mind
[12:28] <UberPsyX> mellow_bunny: yer i know :P
[12:28] <mellow_bunny> UberPsyX: also if it is an AGP card then you won't be able to put two in
[12:28] <sciboy> fiery_cleric, Yeah nothing caught my eye when i skimmed over it.
[12:29] <UberPsyX> mellow_bunny: this is the first time ive actually done anything INSIDE my pc apart from installing a pci wifi card
[12:30] <mellow_bunny> UberPsyX: well good luck :3
[12:30] <UberPsyX> mellow_bunny: thanks
[12:30] <larry_> help me! my new dapper install keeps hanging! =0(
[12:30] <fiery_cleric> sciboy: sciboy usually the aperture size is chosen automatically/or from the BIOS setting AFAIK
[12:30] <larry_> I can log in for a few seconds
[12:30] <larry_> and then everything freezes
[12:30] <sciboy> fiery_cleric, I didn't see anything in the bios so we can assume automatic.
[12:31] <fiery_cleric> sciboy: is is PCI express or AGP
[12:31] <fiery_cleric> it
[12:31] <sciboy> AGP
[12:31] <larry_> I cant use the graphical session at all it hangs every time. where do I look to debug this?
[12:32] <mellow_bunny> larry_: are you able to boot into command line?
[12:32] <larry_> yes
[12:32] <larry_> I am on command line now using irssi to get irc connection
[12:32] <sciboy> fiery_cleric, As a note, this all started happening after i had a system freeze that messed up my ext3 partition and had to have the bios reset to defaults.
[12:33] <fiery_cleric> sciboy: maybe there is an bios setting then...
[12:33] <mellow_bunny> larry_: have you tried booting your x server from command line?
[12:33] <sciboy> fiery_cleric, Maybe under a different keyword, but i didn't see anything i would deem relevant. =/
[12:33] <larry_> mellow_bunny: I have killed and reset X from command line - but the same thing happens
[12:34] <mellow_bunny> larry_: this is a fresh install? not an upgrade?
[12:35] <larry_> mellow_bunny: the install cd kept hanging too - so I installed breezy and upgraded
[12:35] <larry_> now the dapper upgrade is hanging just like the cd
[12:35] <larry_> I tried to upgrade to edgy but I got a kernel panic
[12:36] <bestmaury> giorno a tutti..
[12:36] <mellow_bunny> very interesting
[12:36] <larry_> I think I might try the edgy upgrade again and see what happens
[12:36] <mellow_bunny> sorry though i'm not sure what the problem could be unless there is a major shift in the base system from breezy that is casuing the issue
[12:37] <mellow_bunny> you could wait around for feisty?
[12:37] <larry_> might get kernel panic again
[12:37] <larry_> well I have an unusable system right now
[12:37] <mellow_bunny> ouch
[12:37] <larry_> I cant watch dvds on command line
[12:37] <kalin> hey, one of my vm's time is out, is there a simple way to time-sync with some net server?
[12:37] <kalin> or some recommended way?
[12:37] <mellow_bunny> a broken system is never fun
[12:38] <mellow_bunny> im trying to remotely upgrade a server with centos 5 ><
[12:38] <larry_> I'll try edgy upgrade again
[12:38] <mellow_bunny> not going so good
[12:38] <larry_> might get another kernel panic
[12:38] <mellow_bunny> let us know larry_ and good luck
[12:38] <larry_> be back soon regardless
[12:38] <mellow_bunny> righto
[12:40] <mneptok> kalin: ensure vmware-tools is installed on the guest anh have the host use ntpd
[12:40] <larry_> holy crap
[12:41] <larry_> no kernel panic
[12:41] <larry_> it seems to be working
[12:41] <larry_> it'd downloading the pacages now
[12:41] <mellow_bunny> YAY
[12:41] <larry_> bit of a relief
[12:41] <larry_> although hopefully itll boot when it's done
[12:41] <mneptok> Breezy -> ?
[12:41] <larry_> I couldnt boot the edgy cdrom
[12:41] <mellow_bunny> Edgy
[12:42] <larry_> no
[12:42] <larry_> I installed breezy from cd because it was the only cd that would boot
[12:42] <larry_> upgraded to dapper last night
[12:42] <larry_> now upgrading to edgy
[12:42] <mneptok> careful
[12:43] <mneptok> the sysvinit -> upstart change is not without bumps.
[12:43] <larry_> the edgy cdrom wouldnt boot either tho - tried the 64 bit and the 32 bit (running on AMD)
[12:43] <larry_> same with the dapper cds
[12:43] <mneptok> try burning them at the absolute slowest speed
[12:44] <larry_> hopefully I wont have to burn anything now
[12:44] <shukhrat> hi all
[12:44] <mellow_bunny> hi
[12:44] <larry_> the only cdrom that would boot properly and run for me was the breezy 64 bit (not that I tried the breezy 32 bit - that was last resort)
[12:45] <shukhrat> who knows joomla rusian channel ?
[12:45] <ledemente> I'm looking for an app that will create image animations.
[12:45] <mneptok> larry_: a 64 bit desktop is kinda a PITA, in my experience
[12:46] <larry_> PITA???
[12:46] <mneptok> larry_: the lack of a Flash plugin is really annoying
[12:46] <mellow_bunny> p__n in t_e a_s
[12:46] <ledemente> ai h s!
[12:46] <larry_> mneptok: I can run flash on 64 bit - either running my firefox and flash in a 32 bit chroot or using something else
[12:47] <mneptok> larry_: ugly.
[12:47] <larry_> there is software that will allow it to run without the chroot
[12:47] <larry_> cant remember what it's called
[12:47] <mneptok> nspluginwrapper
[12:47] <larry_> probably
[12:47] <larry_> yea I think that's it
[12:48] <rogue780> Feisty gets released tomorrow right?
[12:48] <mc44> probably
[12:48] <mneptok> rogue780: when it's ready
[12:48] <mellow_bunny> 90/269 packages downloaded.
[12:48] <gray_fox> hello
[12:48] <mellow_bunny> they are testing the final candidates at the moment
[12:48] <mellow_bunny> hi gray_fox
[12:49] <larry_> lol - I might be  doing 3 dist-upgrades today then
[12:49] <larry_> amnt I glad I didnt have to resort to installing hoary on this machine
[12:50] <mneptok> mellow_bunny: we are? news to me. :)
[12:50] <ledemente> I'm aware Gimp can do it... somehow - but I'd rather a specialised GIF animator.
[12:50] <mellow_bunny> Final candidate needs testing - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html
[12:50] <mc44> mneptok: you should keep up
[12:51] <Linuxnewbie756> feisty still due out tommorow?
[12:51] <rasputnik> Linuxnewbie756: we think so yeah
[12:51] <mneptok> mellow_bunny: heno is often drunk. he often lies on lists in a deliberate attempt to confuse me.
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Linuxnewbie756: this week. there is no promises and cant be
[12:51] <mellow_bunny> XD
[12:52] <Linuxnewbie756> rasputnik: i would download the rc, but i have school and stuff, so i really don't have the time
[12:52] <mc44> mneptok: !coc :p
[12:52] <Linuxnewbie756> gnomefreak: totally understand, thats the way it works
[12:52] <rasputnik> Linuxnewbie756: ah, just wait for the release. it's not like it's earth shattering.
[12:52] <mellow_bunny> 	<mellow_bunny>	tomorrow is only 1:10mins away
	mellow_bunny: not for me and I'm the release manager.
[12:52] <Linuxnewbie756> rasputnik: lol, gotcha
[12:56] <tatters> I get continual error in syslog [ 5957.012819]  keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240, how can I stop the error in logs its grown to nearly 1gb
[12:57] <mellow_bunny> o.o
[12:57] <mellow_bunny> good god man
[12:58] <mneptok> ?
[12:58] <mellow_bunny> 1gb logfile because of a keyboard error is unusual
[12:59] <P3nnywise> What should i type in terminal when i enter wep key?
[12:59] <Paul_UK> can someone hack into ubuntu.com and leak out fiesty :p
[12:59] <apokryphos> Paul_UK: the final rc has been released anyway
[12:59] <P3nnywise> yesterday someone in here told me to write this
[12:59] <JGJones> It's already available Paul_UK ;)
[01:00] <Paul_UK> JGJones? Where? :P
[01:00] <JGJones> just modify your apt sources to feisty
[01:00] <mc44> JGJones: no
[01:00] <P3nnywise> sudo iwconfig $ADAPTER essid "$AP-NAME" key restricted $WEPKEY mode managed ap any power on
[01:00] <apokryphos> JGJones: no, please don't advise that
[01:00] <mellow_bunny> tatters: is it a usb keyboard?
[01:00] <Paul_UK> hehe, thought not
[01:00] <rasputnik> Paul_UK: 'sudo update-manager -d'
[01:00] <apokryphos> JGJones: Paul_UK: /msg ubotu upgrade
[01:00] <Paul_UK> Paul_UK: /msg ubotu upgrade
[01:00] <Paul_UK> oops lol
[01:01] <mellow_bunny> ubotu?
[01:01] <rasputnik> mellow_bunny: chatbot
[01:01] <tatters> mellow_bunny: yes a labtech wireless usb k/board
[01:01] <mellow_bunny> ah i see
[01:01] <apokryphos> !bot
[01:01] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:02] <JGJones> update-manager -d...interesting - I've never used it myself having been rather set in using apt-get dist-upgrade method. Must give it a try on another PC
[01:02] <rasputnik> JGJones: it takes out some obsolete packages, etc.
[01:03] <apokryphos> JGJones: if you use plain dist-upgrade there are no guarantees
[01:03] <root__> hi
[01:03] <mellow_bunny> tatters are you running Dapper?
[01:03] <JGJones> ah I see
[01:03] <apokryphos> root__: you should not IRC as root
[01:03] <tatters> fiesty
[01:03] <apokryphos> wuming: you're still IRC'ing as root 8)
[01:03] <cyberfr0g`> hi
[01:03] <HYPOCRISY> hi
[01:03] <deepsa> hi
[01:03] <wuming> hi
[01:03] <mellow_bunny> hi
[01:03] <SoftIce> hi, what is the story with fesity and vserver, no more vserver support?
[01:03] <mc44> apokryphos: but now no one can tell! :)
[01:03] <HYPOCRISY> good
[01:03] <JGJones> rasputnik: apokryphos: but doesn't apt-get autoremove take care of that?
[01:04] <apokryphos> mc44: ssshh, secret!
[01:04] <apokryphos> JGJones: no, not at all.
[01:04] <jonaskul> is there any partition manager in ubuntu?
[01:04] <mellow_bunny> tatters: im not sure how to fix that sorry, the problem did appear with kernel versions 2.6.18 and lower
[01:04] <apokryphos> jonaskul: /msg ubotu partition
[01:04] <mc44> JGJones: update manager handles package transitions and things much better than apt
[01:04] <rasputnik> JGJones: sometimes, sometimes not.
[01:04] <rasputnik> jonaskul: yes.
[01:04] <mc44> autoremove is something completely different
[01:05] <mellow_bunny> tatters: at least something very similar occured
[01:05] <apokryphos> libapt is not that great to work with and apt is a little dumb, but it allows it to be quick ;-)
[01:05] <mellow_bunny> tatters: it may be a case of selecting an alternate kernel
[01:05] <JGJones> apokryphos: Thanks for the info, I am now enlightened and shall use that update-manager method from now on as well as for anyone else that ask me.
[01:05] <apokryphos> cool
[01:05] <tatters> mellow_bunny: thnx anyways no worries , I found a cpl of threads but me noob and need a distro specific fix
[01:05] <mellow_bunny> right well good luck
[01:06] <tatters> Is there any way I could at least stop syslog from reporting the problem?
[01:07] <TimonUbuntu> Can anybody help me access my home router through SSH?
[01:08] <mneptok> TimonUbuntu: does your router run an sshd?
[01:08] <mneptok> (most don't)
[01:08] <surviver> hy evry1, i've got a question; i have ubuntu 64 bit version 6.10, now when i want to shut down i cant find the shutdown icon i see log out lock session switch user and hibernate no shutdown ...
[01:08] <TimonUbuntu> im running SSHD on a computer at home, and i have the right ports open.
[01:08] <mneptok> surviver: X is not your primary login session. a TTY is.
[01:08] <Keis> sudo shutdown -h now :)
[01:09] <mellow_bunny> tatters: im not sure sorry there should be an option somewhere but i wouldnt be able to point you there directly
[01:09] <TimonUbuntu> I am connected via SSH to my home pc, I need to access the router firmware, i thought i might be able to rout http through ssh?
[01:09] <surviver> mneptok, so u say i need to shutdown true console?
[01:09] <mneptok> TimonUbuntu: then you can access sshd on that nachine. not the router.
[01:09] <albert> hi, does anybody now a lightweight version of the "kdesu" program?
[01:09] <mneptok> surviver: open a terminal and "sudo shutdown -h now"
[01:09] <surviver> oke :)
[01:09] <rasputnik> TimonUbuntu: you want to port forward.
[01:09] <surviver> brb
[01:10] <mneptok> TimonUbuntu: you want an ssh tunnel
[01:10] <TimonUbuntu> Well my goal is to access VNC , and to do that i need to forward the correct ports on my router
[01:11] <mellow_bunny> TimonUbuntu: you want cake
[01:11] <TimonUbuntu> heh
[01:11] <mellow_bunny> does your router have telnet access?
[01:11] <mneptok> TimonUbuntu: why not just use ssh?
[01:11] <mellow_bunny> telnet is fun
[01:11] <mneptok> TimonUbuntu: VNC has a much larger overhead, and no encryption.
[01:11] <TimonUbuntu> Its running OS X which has limited access via terminal
[01:11] <mellow_bunny> because he shifted ssh to his server?
[01:11] <markoski> someone write to me
[01:12] <shawn34> Feisty goes live tomorrow!
[01:12] <shawn34> anyone grabbing it right away?
[01:12] <jhaig> shawn34: #ubuntu+1 is fairly busy.  I guess that lots of people already have.
[01:12] <rasputnik> TimonUbuntu: from the machine outside, running ' ssh -L 8080:theinternalipofyourrouter:80 user@yourhomemachine'
[01:12] <TimonUbuntu> So is there any way i can open up a http address to my router from the internal PC via ssh
[01:13] <mneptok> TimonUbuntu: you want an ssh tunnel
[01:13] <rasputnik> TimonUbuntu: what I typed forwards port 8080 on the machine you run it on to port 80 on theinternalipofyourrouter via yourhomemachine
[01:13] <TimonUbuntu> Ok i'll give that a shot
[01:14] <rasputnik> TimonUbuntu: then point your browser to http://localhost:8080
[01:14] <TimonUbuntu> thanks rasputnik
[01:15] <Ilgaz> people, do we report Quad G5 Fans going nuts to Ubuntu current buglist or it is known issue?
[01:15] <rasputnik> np. so long as yourhomemachine can see theinternalipofyourrouter, and the machine you ssh from can see yourhomemachine, it'll work
[01:15] <mneptok> Ilgaz: search for a bug in LP
[01:16] <TimonUbuntu> rasputnik worked a treat
[01:16] <rasputnik> yay!
[01:16] <TimonUbuntu> rasputnik thanks a lot mate!!
[01:16] <zanexx297> hi guys im new to linux an i chose ubuntu,unfortunately i need to run some Micro$oft apps for school
[01:16] <zanexx297> emulators?
[01:17] <rasputnik> zanexx297: vmware works on ubuntu
[01:17] <mc44> zanexx297: or wine
[01:17] <mellow_bunny> crossover office?
[01:17] <mneptok> zanexx297: what apps?
[01:17] <mellow_bunny> except that costs
[01:17] <mellow_bunny> X_X
[01:17] <michaelpo> what software do i use to erase cdrw disc?
[01:17] <zanexx297> office 2003, jgrasp
[01:18] <rasputnik> zanexx297: yeah, install vmware server. it's free now.
[01:18] <zanexx297> help me on wine pls
[01:18] <zanexx297> i selectd it from install apps and installed but how da hell do i use it?
[01:18] <mneptok> zanexx297: OpenOffice won't work?
[01:19] <rasputnik> zanexx297: jgrasp works on linux, and openoffice reads word fine.
[01:19] <zanexx297> but does word read open office?
[01:19] <mneptok> yes
[01:19] <factorx> rasputnik: you mean "fine".
[01:19] <rasputnik> zanexx297: just save as 'doc'
[01:19] <rasputnik> factorx: i said fine
[01:19] <mneptok> and i just launched jGrasp. works fine with sun-java6-jre on Feisty
[01:19] <zanexx297> thanks, and how do i setup ntfs-3g?
[01:20] <zanexx297> iv got edgy
[01:20] <factorx> some files, especially those including complex tables or something just look like crap
[01:20] <mneptok> zanexx297: should be fine in java5, too
[01:21] <rasputnik> factorx: oic. I only need it for reading the odd email from eejits, so...
[01:21] <Ilgaz> funny is, the only way to use a accelerated java 6 on Mac ppc is using Linux and IBM jvm
[01:21] <factorx> then it should be ok
[01:22] <zanexx297> thanks guys.what about ntfs-3g as i have a 320gb ntfs harddrive full of stuff and i cant format it
[01:22] <zanexx297> cause i dont want to loose the info
[01:22] <mneptok> "lose" ;)
[01:22] <mneptok> !ntfs-3g > zanexx297
[01:22] <mc44> mneptok is loose. you want to lose him. Thats how I remember it :p
[01:23] <jin> !ntfs-3g
[01:23] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:23] <zanexx297> thanks again
[01:23] <factorx> is ntfs-3g a *native* linux driver or a wrapper for the windows driver?
[01:24] <USMarine> native
[01:25] <factorx> now that we're talking about it... i have another question concerning FS on an external HDD... I'm going to buy a new one. which filesystem should I use, if I need to access my data from linux, *BSD and mac os x?
[01:25] <mneptok> ext3
[01:25] <USMarine> xfs
[01:26] <factorx> xfs is not supported by OS X afaik
[01:26] <rasputnik> factorx: vfat :(
[01:26] <USMarine> hen ext3
[01:26] <mneptok> USMarine: OSX does not support XFS
[01:26] <USMarine> then*
[01:26] <USMarine> xfs pwns, so it was a joke
[01:26] <factorx> nope, FAT is crap since I've got files that are larger than 4 gig
[01:26] <mneptok> factorx: ext3 is the best bet
[01:26] <rasputnik> mneptok: osx reads ext3?
[01:26] <mneptok> rasputnik: yes
[01:27] <factorx> do I need special tools for OS X to read ext3?
[01:27] <rasputnik> mneptok: oh, cool
[01:27] <laichzeit> ok so it's Thursday in Australia now, how long till the release of 7.04?
[01:27] <freshmouse> Hello. I've a question. I'd like to download Ubuntu FF CD. The quoestion: is the CD in final stage (w)?
[01:27] <mellow_bunny> 205/269 packages downloaded.
[01:27] <mneptok> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx
[01:27] <freshmouse> I don't want download it again.
[01:27] <mellow_bunny> hopefully tomorrow
[01:27] <mneptok> http://fs-driver.org
[01:28] <Keis> Only wednesday 13.27 here in dk :) and says tomorrow here
[01:28] <atomiku> How do I use a chain of proxies?
[01:28] <mc44> freshmouse: then wait for it to be released
[01:28] <mellow_bunny> and as of last night  things in the release havent changed?
[01:28] <michaelpo> found the solution, nautilus will erase the cdrw, before writing new iso....
[01:28] <gnomefreak> mellow_bunny: no and hopfully wont
[01:28] <factorx> I'd like to use a FS that works out-of-the-box
[01:28] <freshmouse> mc44: I can't wait. ;-)
[01:28] <mellow_bunny> you might want to check in #ubuntu+1
[01:28] <freshmouse> Ok.
[01:28] <factorx> what about UFS? does linux work well with it?
[01:28] <rasputnik> factorx: no
[01:29] <USMarine> btw, i've got big doubt. the arquitecture amd64 also applies to core 2 duo, am i right?
[01:29] <rasputnik> factorx: what about HFS? pretty sure ubuntu reads that.
[01:29] <mellow_bunny> gnomefreak: sweet XD i'm gonna wait till it releases proper just in case
[01:29] <Layer8> hi
[01:29] <mjr> USMarine, yes
[01:29] <mellow_bunny> my server needs some ubuntu tlc
[01:29] <Layer8> can someone help me with automake?
[01:30] <rasputnik> Layer8: what's wrong?
[01:30] <Layer8>  im trying to compile xmblackberry on 6.10 but I get some errors
[01:30] <Paul_UK> anyone have an ATI card and has installed a 3d gui?
[01:31] <rasputnik> Layer8: and what are they?
[01:31] <mneptok> Layer8: Blackberry? and Linux? good luck.
[01:31] <Layer8> it tells me that some macros are missing...
[01:31] <mellow_bunny> which macros?
[01:31] <doc|> hi, when   glxinfo | grep render      comand not found , what can I do ?
[01:32] <Layer8> mneptok I got an older version to work and used my bb as umts modem
[01:32] <steven43126> whats a good replacement for exchange that will allow evolution to sync calendar events and tasks ?
[01:32] <rasputnik> Layer8: have you installed autoconf
[01:32] <Layer8> rasputnik yes! and some things that I found in apt-cache, too
[01:32] <BruceLeeds> hey guys, does someone know, how to install a selection, that was set with "dpkg --set-selection"?
[01:33] <Layer8> the package is from cvs and I try to do a ./CVSMake that uses autoconf and automake
[01:34] <rasputnik> Layer8: try one of the various auto* versions until one works. really, it's a dreadful mess.
[01:34] <Layer8> oh ok
[01:34] <Layer8> ill try that
[01:34] <rasputnik> Layer8: it's even worse if you're not on linux, so why they sell it as a portability aid is beyond me.
[01:35] <kILLusion-_-> hi
[01:35] <kILLusion-_-> at what time will the final ubuntu images be released tomorrow?
[01:35] <doc|> hi, when   glxinfo | grep render      =             comand not found , what can I do ?  ?
[01:35] <mc44> kILLusion-_-: when they are ready
[01:35] <mellow_bunny> can we spin a wheel to guess?
[01:35] <mellow_bunny> whomever guesses correctly gets a free feeling of accomplishment
[01:35] <rasputnik> kILLusion-_-: we are waiting for you to go to bed first
[01:36] <mellow_bunny> XD
[01:36] <kILLusion-_-> :O
[01:36] <USMarine> just make a cronjob and go to bed
[01:36] <Layer8> "funny" thing that costs a lot of time...
[01:36] <BruceLeeds> hey guys, does someone know, how to install a selection, that was set with "dpkg --set-selection"?
[01:36] <kILLusion-_-> the last ubuntu version didnt even boot after install so this is the last chance i give to ubuntu
[01:36] <kILLusion-_-> if it doesnt work again this time ill stay with gentoo
[01:37] <mellow_bunny> server or desktop?
[01:37] <kILLusion-_-> desktop
[01:37] <larry_> my dist-upgrade to edgy keeps giving me the kernel panic
[01:37] <larry_> =0(
[01:37] <larry_> Unfortunately I have to go for about an hour
[01:37] <larry_> I'll be back
[01:38] <mellow_bunny> BruceLeeds: http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/
[01:38] <rasputnik> larry_: don't dist-upgrade! do 'update-manager -d'
[01:38] <larry_> ok
[01:38] <rycuda> rasputnik, is the difference between the two documented somewhere?
[01:39] <doc|> larry_,  gpg   on console, and Ctrl c   , if show error gpg
[01:39] <rasputnik> rycuda: there's no ubuntu docs that recommend using dist-upgrade. just ex-debianites use it.
[01:39] <mellow_bunny> BruceLeeds: this might work? dpkg --yet-to-unpack - Searches for packages selected for installation, but which for some reason still haven't been installed.
[01:39] <larry_> doc|, ????
[01:40] <larry_> I ran gpg
[01:40] <rycuda> I fit neatly into the ex/still debian category rasputnik. I'm just wondering what updatemanager does that apt doesn't on it's own?
[01:40] <larry_> then Crtl-c to get out of it
[01:41] <moDumass> hey all, how do i turn off screensaver whilst watching movies?
[01:41] <rasputnik> rycuda: me too -  handles cleaning out old packages, handles cases where the functinality of package x is replaced by package y and z, etc.
[01:41] <larry_> doc|, what was that meant to do?
[01:41] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: yes - I see. Instead of setting a selection and then installing it, it would be possible to install the packages from a file directly with "dpkg -i MYFILE" wouldn't it?
[01:41] <doc|> larry_,   when you try   sudo update-manager -d          if some error gpg , only   gpg   comand  normal user
[01:41] <mellow_bunny> yup
[01:41] <rycuda> I'll have to try that for the feisty upgrade. Thanks rasputnik!
[01:42] <rasputnik> rycuda: went smooth for me (dapper -> edgy, and edgy -> feisty)
[01:43] <rycuda> This machine went dapper -> edgy using dist-upgrade. I've had other that had problems though and that might well be why.
[01:43] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: do you know, whether the syntax of this file would be the same as the syntax of the file which content would be set as the selection with "dpkg --set-selection"?
[01:44] <mellow_bunny> that is a confusing sentence and im not sure what you mean sorry
[01:44] <BruceLeeds> sorry. I try again.
[01:45] <mellow_bunny> by syntax what do you mean? do you mean the operators "-i" that you use
[01:46] <drago> simple question: How can i mount a .bin image? (got the .cue aswell)
[01:46] <BruceLeeds> The command "dpgk --get-selection" produces a file with a specific syntax (writing in this file all the packages which are currently installed). The command "dpgk --set-selection" sets the selection according to the syntax which "dpgk --get-selection" used to write the file.
[01:47] <BruceLeeds> ... mellow_bunny
[01:47] <mellow_bunny> i see
[01:47] <markoski> hello
[01:48] <jrib> BruceLeeds: sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade   with regards to your first question
[01:49] <sedra> hello how to install beryl on ubuntu? help i'm newbie
[01:49] <png> sedra, there are howtos both ati and nvidia .. use google
[01:49] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: the question is now, whether "dpgk -i MYFILE" installs the packages according to the same syntax as "dpkg --set/get-selection" used
[01:49] <mellow_bunny> BruceLeeds: the syntax of the file produced by get-selection has no relation to the use of a command such as dpkg -i FILENAME
[01:49] <mellow_bunny> should do
[01:50] <mellow_bunny> that makes more sense XD
[01:50] <IdleOne> !beryl > sedra    (sedra, see the private message from Ubotu)
[01:50] <mellow_bunny> it uses the same system dude
[01:50] <finalbeta> What app can I use to edit (just cutparts from) MP3/WMA/free format Sound files?
[01:50] <mellow_bunny> get-selection just allows you to create a list first as opposed to "on the fly" installs
[01:50] <sedra> IdleOne thx
[01:50] <mellow_bunny> the method remains the same
[01:50] <sedra> ati
[01:50] <sedra> !ati
[01:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:51] <png> sedra, http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=tr&q=ubuntu+beryl+ati&btnG=Google%27da+Ara&meta=
[01:52] <sedra> png ok thnx
[01:53] <carras> hi
[01:53] <mellow_bunny> hi carras
[01:53] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: ok, if I understood you correctly now, than I can write MYFILE for "dpkg -i" with the same syntax as for "dpgk --set-selection"/"dpgk --get-selection". Right?
[01:53] <carras> someone knows a way to change virtual descktops with mouse's wheel ?
[01:53] <carras> like in xfce or beryl
[01:53] <png> carras, it is possible with beryl
[01:53] <mellow_bunny> BruceLeeds: yes
[01:54] <carras> how ?
[01:54] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: ok, thanks.
[01:54] <USMarine> carras kde does that if you configure the desktop
[01:54] <carras> yes, i know kde do
[01:54] <carras> but gnome ?
[01:54] <mellow_bunny> BruceLeeds: np, let us know how you get on
[01:54] <USMarine> i dont use gnome
[01:54] <png> carras, i ve done it on gnome with beryl usin beryl manager from setting. i dont remember how:D
[01:55] <carras> i used gentoo and xfce 4 for a long time
[01:55] <USMarine> i used gnome for a long time too unfortunately
[01:55] <carras> and i am customing my new ubuntu
[01:55] <USMarine> to bad i didnt find there was kde long before
[01:56] <carras> :/ i don't like kde so much
[01:56] <carras> gnome is cool, but i miss some configuration options
[01:56] <USMarine> gnome is too simple
[01:56] <USMarine> it doesnt do what i need
[01:56] <carras> but kde is crasy
[01:56] <USMarine> i'd rather have more tweaking than missing
[01:57] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: no - I tried - it's not installing lists. it's installing only packages direktly: means: I have to give him not a list (like with "...-selection") but a package on my computer...
[01:57] <carras> well, another question
[01:57] <mellow_bunny> ah i see Bruce
[01:57] <mellow_bunny> sorry there
[01:57] <carras> will aotomatix bring me lot of problems ?
[01:58] <carras> or it works fine ?
[01:58] <IdleOne> !automatix
[01:58] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:58] <carras> nice
[01:58] <IdleOne> carras: dont use automatix.
[01:58] <mellow_bunny> BruceLeeds: are you trying to make an install list to pass on to someone else?
[01:59] <markoski> hello any body home
[01:59] <carras> ok, i ear stuff, but i was not sure
[01:59] <atomiku> How can I use tor? I'm trying to run it normally, and as root but it says: "[warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this user (root, 0) but by debian-tor (109). Perhaps you are running Tor as the wrong user?"
[01:59] <con-man> is there a compiz channel on this network
[01:59] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: exactly
[01:59] <IdleOne> #ubuntu-effects
[01:59] <con-man> no
[01:59] <IdleOne> conm^^^
[01:59] <con-man> no
[01:59] <con-man> I mean compiz
[02:00] <IdleOne> try #compiz
[02:00] <con-man> I did
[02:00] <grayman> well
[02:00] <IdleOne> then I guess there isnt
[02:00] <grayman> there is a beryl channel
[02:00] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: but not with ALL my packages - only a few selected one - and I want to make comments in the list, so that one knows which packages is good for what
[02:00] <mellow_bunny> oh i see
[02:01] <diabolix> why does the logout prompt not show up when xcompmgr is running?
[02:01] <Kubuntulator> can some one help with a dbus error ?
[02:01] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: I tried to write my own bash-script for that but now I have the idea to use a bit more dpgk and apt-get for that and to use their syntax in the file.
[02:01] <Layer8> rasputnik still there?
[02:01] <Kubuntulator> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16239/
[02:02] <mellow_bunny> i see
[02:02] <sciboy> Yes!
[02:03] <reydelsillon> anyone with experience using vmware on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:03] <Angel-SL> hello. whats the command for mounting a NTFS drive on 6.10 LiveCD?
[02:03] <mellow_bunny> ok so the only failing point in this plan is the installing of the list
[02:03] <sciboy> Found the damn aperture size.
[02:04] <surviver> hello evry1, my question: whats a great burn program for burning dvd's /cd's images...
[02:04] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: so now I have the command "dpgk --set-selection" to set my selection from the file, but I need to install it know as well!
[02:04] <Angel-SL> hello. whats the command for mounting a NTFS drive on 6.10 LiveCD??
[02:04] <mellow_bunny> right!
[02:05] <mellow_bunny> more research XD
[02:05] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: so: how do I do that?
[02:05] <atomiku> How can I use tor? I'm trying to run it normally, and as root but it says: "[warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this user (root, 0) but by debian-tor (109). Perhaps you are running Tor as the wrong user?"
[02:05] <mellow_bunny> i'll see if i can figure that out for you standby
[02:05] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: I thought you guys know... ;-)
[02:05] <surviver> Angel-SL, for mounting type sudo mount -o rw /media/...
[02:05] <mellow_bunny> bahaha well there is a lot to know @_@
[02:06] <Angel-SL> surviver: NTFS?
[02:06] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: do you mean me? ;-)
[02:06] <surviver> Angel-SL jup i have ntfs partitions :) and it works :p
[02:06] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: with standby and bahaha?
[02:06] <Angel-SL> just that?
[02:06] <andres> #ubuntu-es
[02:06] <Angel-SL> okay....
[02:06] <Kubuntulator> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16239/
[02:06] <Kubuntulator> can some one help with a dbus error ?
[02:07] <Kubuntulator> plz:-)
[02:07] <surviver> Angel-SL, well type sudo mount -o then type rw for read write or ro for read only after that the place where u ntfs partition stands
[02:07] <mjcocat> what time is Feisty going to be released?
[02:07] <dv_> this week
[02:07] <mellow_bunny> BruceLeeds: yes
[02:07] <surviver> Angel-SL, like this : mount -o rw /media/sda8
[02:08] <dv_> tomorrow, in  fact
[02:08] <daya>  hi all,
[02:08] <mjcocat> tomorrow for who?
[02:08] <daya> 500 Invalid PORT Command. how to recover this errro
[02:08] <daya> i got this in ftp
[02:09] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: I have to go for lunch now. but I'll be back in 1,5 hours... if that's ok. Hope you are still there than. I'll do some research on my own as well :-) - don't worry ;-)
[02:09] <yag4mi> why does samba service keep stopping by itself?
[02:09] <yag4mi> is ti cause i restarted network service?
[02:09] <mellow_bunny> BruceLeeds: i believe that after using the set-selection you need to the run dpkg with the -O option and the -i option
[02:09] <mellow_bunny> but im not sure
[02:09] <grayman> there's a countdown on the front page on ubuntu.com
[02:09] <scarnia> hi boys, is there anyway to retrieve an specific version of a svn with svn command?
[02:09] <Angel-SL> surviver: its not in hda.. i get an error about fstab and mtab
[02:10] <BruceLeeds> mellow_bunny: ok, i'll have a look
[02:10] <Angel-SL> s/hda/dev
[02:10] <NewbieBaba> hey -  how can i set any screensaver file  as wallpaper ?
[02:10] <ekix> hi!
[02:10] <ekix> is there a usb flash stick install-image for ubuntu 6.10 server ?
[02:10] <surviver> Angel-SL, oke try this one then sudo mount -o rw,remount /routte
[02:10] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hello everyone :D
[02:10] <MatthewV> NewbieBaba, there is a guide on the forums for that, you should be able to find it witha quick search
[02:10] <Angel-SL> duh?
[02:10] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I found a bug with the 2.6.20 kernel..
[02:10] <Angel-SL> whats routte?
[02:11] <surviver> the rout is where ur hd.. is located
[02:11] <NewbieBaba> quick link to site please :)
[02:11] <NewbieBaba> !forum
[02:11] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[02:11] <NewbieBaba> <3
[02:11] <Angel-SL> so i do sudo mount -o ro /PATH;remount /PATH ?
[02:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I made a bug report on the kernel bugzilla  and they have helped track it down to 2.6.20RC5
[02:11] <surviver> Angel-SL, like this sudo mount -o rw,remount /path
[02:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but suggest I make new ubuntu livecd's with RC6 and up
[02:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> how hard is this to do
[02:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[02:12] <surviver> Angel-SL, copie paste it :) replace path with ur path
[02:12] <Angel-SL> so i do sudo mount -o ro,remount /PATH?
[02:12] <Angel-SL> okay
[02:12] <surviver> Angel-SL, yes but then u can read-only
[02:12] <atomiku> How can I use tor? I'm trying to run it normally, and as root but it says: "[warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this user (root, 0) but by debian-tor (109). Perhaps you are running Tor as the wrong user?"
[02:12] <zak_> when i come back from hibernate, my sound doesn't work [apps freeze when they go to use it] ... is there anything i can do?
[02:14] <Angel-SL> surviver: no luck. same error
[02:14] <surviver> Angel-SL, are u sure the partition is mounted or unmouted?
[02:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> can anyone point me to a guide to recompile liveCD's with custom kernel's
[02:14] <Angel-SL> i dunno.
[02:14] <Angel-SL> its just that hda and hda1 give errors
[02:14] <mrigns> is there some application like kompos (kde) avaiable for gnome/ubuntu?
[02:14] <Angel-SL> and hdc also
[02:14] <Angel-SL> media is empty
[02:15] <ubuntu> irc mindforge.net
[02:15] <surviver> Angel-SL, ive got the same version and over here it works great just sec let me see
[02:15] <Angel-SL> its a live cd, mate.
[02:15] <smartmn> !lamp
[02:15] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[02:16] <william> Angel-SL: what type of HD?
[02:16] <ekix> hi again. is there any usb stick install-images for ubuntu 6.10 server available?
[02:16] <Angel-SL> william: laptop built-in NTFS.
[02:16] <smartmn> !mp3
[02:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:16] <surviver> Angel-SL, do this : sudo mount -o rw /media/hda1 .?
[02:16] <EnsignRedshirt> A history question: I installed Warty when it came out, but I don't recall it being a Live CD.  Was it?
[02:17] <Angel-SL> as i said, media is empty.
[02:17] <william> Angel-SL: sata or pata
[02:17] <Angel-SL> thats what nautilus says..
[02:17] <Angel-SL> SATA i think..
[02:17] <Angel-SL> wait i dunno
[02:17] <Angel-SL> nevermind give me both
[02:17] <surviver> its sata :)
[02:17] <Angel-SL> i'll try both
[02:17] <VSpike> angel: what version of live CD?
[02:17] <Angel-SL> 6.10
[02:18] <william> Angel-SL: sata would be sda ? I think.
[02:18] <Angel-SL> OKAY i'll try.
[02:20] <Angel-SL> william: same error about fstab and mtab
[02:22] <william> Angel-SL: from memory the livecd just finds your HD's although NTFS could be read only.
[02:22] <Shironeko> hi
[02:23] <Shironeko> I got a little issue
[02:23] <Shironeko> It's not important, but weird
[02:24] <Kubuntulator> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_edgy_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:24] <Kubuntulator> fix that ?
[02:24] <Kubuntulator> how
[02:24] <Shironeko> whenever I open an administrative application, like Synaptic, the application opens but "opening administrative application" does still appear on the panel
[02:24] <Kubuntulator> grr stupid laptop keyboard
[02:24] <Shironeko> and it seems to keep loading....
[02:25] <atomiku> How can I use tor? I'm trying to run it normally, and as root but it says: "[warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this user (root, 0) but by debian-tor (109). Perhaps you are running Tor as the wrong user?"
[02:25] <Shironeko> atomiku
[02:25] <liri> it seems like ubuntu dapper doesn't have php5-pdo-sqlite, why is that?
[02:26] <Shironeko> do you want to use it with a browser (firefox)?
[02:26] <atomiku> Shironeko: yup.
[02:26] <duda> how to discover my access point ip?
[02:26] <YingFan> hi, i have hald and udev installed and belong to plugdev group Where do i read about how to make an external usb device to be writeable by regular user?
[02:26] <Shironeko> here, Use this guide:
[02:26] <Shironeko> one sec
[02:26] <Mulix> How can i logon as the owner ???
[02:26] <duda> Mulix, you must set the root password
[02:26] <Mulix> to change menu.lst from /boot/grub/
[02:26] <Shironeko> Step by step, very easy:
[02:26] <Shironeko> http://tor.eff.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en
[02:26] <Mulix> it's set
[02:27] <Shironeko> Mulix
[02:27] <Shironeko> gksudo nautilus
[02:27] <atomiku> Shironeko: I know this
[02:27] <atomiku> I cant start tor though
[02:27] <Shironeko> It should work atomiku
[02:27] <duda> Mulix, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:27] <william> Angel-SL: You could use fdisk to find out what you have.. BUT only use the p and q commands when your in there. fdisk /dev/hda  or fdisk /dev/sda
[02:27] <atomiku> Also, is Privoxy absolutely necessary?
[02:27] <Shironeko> If it says so....
[02:27] <mellow_bunny> crisis averted i got the package manager going again XD
[02:27] <Mulix> it works duda.. thank's
[02:27] <duda> :)
[02:27] <Shironeko> Can't tell what I don't know. I just followed that guide and it worked
[02:28] <duda> Does anyone knows how to discover my access point ip? i wanna ping the broadcast
[02:28] <Shironeko> ahm
[02:28] <Shironeko> one second duda
[02:28] <duda> Shironeko, im trying ping -b <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:29] <Shironeko> are you connected by dchp or static IP adress?
[02:29] <Mulix> where can i find bootloader in ubuntu 6.10 ? at help it say's that i can find it in system tools.. but there's no system tools at applications
[02:30] <duda> Shironeko, now by dhcp with a router, and the access point is connected on the router, but can figure out the access point ip or even password, im going to reset both
[02:30] <IdleOne> [DNS]  Resolved duda (BHE200139128074.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) to address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:30] <florent> bonjour tout le monde
[02:30] <moo^Min> salut
[02:30] <IdleOne> !fr | florent bonjour monsieur
[02:30] <ubotu> florent bonjour monsieur: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:30] <o2rm1w> salut!
[02:31] <florent> oups
[02:31] <florent> :)
[02:31] <slyfox> Help. I have instreted an external hard drive via usb to my laptop. I formatted it to ext3 via gparted. Now, when I mount it manually or when it mounts automatically via plug and play, I do not have permission to write on it. help.
[02:32] <Shironeko> AH I know DUDA
[02:32] <Shironeko> :P
[02:32] <Shironeko> Ifconfig
[02:32] <meal3837> my dvd is acting weird, and i'm not sure if it's bolty hardware or buggy software
[02:33] <Shironeko> what's the problem meal?
[02:33] <meal3837> well, when i use dd or vobcopy, it gets about half way through and gives me some sort of i/o error
[02:33] <YingFan> slyfox i just asked the same :p
[02:33] <meal3837> however, when i use dvd::rip, it seems to get all the way through
[02:34] <idefix> is there like an ascii table in linux?
[02:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :C
[02:34] <slyfox> YingFan: any answers?
[02:34] <YingFan> not yet
[02:34] <engla> Is there any kind of alternative menu editor to alacarte? I really think alacarte has broken down (Using edgy), and I resort to editing files manually now
[02:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> can anyone here help me... I am trying to isolate a bug in the 2.6.20 kernel
[02:34] <slyfox> YingFan: this is strange to what is going on.
[02:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I have never recompiled kernels before
[02:34] <engla> I have stuff like duplicate entries and new entries don't want to show up.
[02:34] <YingFan> slyfox i'm looking at udev rules, but not sure it's related
[02:35] <meal3837> 2.6.20 . . . for feisty?
[02:35] <slyfox> YingFan: have you searched the forums yet ?
[02:35] <YingFan> yeah, somewhat, but don't know the proper keywords to search
[02:35] <YingFan> tried the most obvious, but no go
[02:36] <IdleOne> meal3837: #ubuntu+1 for feisty support and yes to your question
[02:36] <meal3837> IdleOne: i was actually asking someone else if that was what they were working with, thanks, though
[02:37] <IdleOne> meal3837: oh hehe np
[02:37] <Shironeko> Well, that was good since I didn't know the answer
[02:37] <Shironeko> I'm a bit busy right now...
[02:37] <slyfox> YingFan: Run fdisk on the disk you are trying to mount
[02:37] <YingFan> and?
[02:37] <slyfox> YingFan: fdisk /dev/sdb1                       mine found errors.
[02:38] <slyfox> YingFan: The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 38912.
[02:38] <slyfox> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
[02:38] <slyfox> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
[02:38] <YingFan> no errors for me, just permission issues
[02:38] <YingFan> if it's a permanent device, one can just change the permissions on the mount point I guess
[02:39] <YingFan> but in this case, the mount point doesn't even exist until plugged in...
[02:39] <mellow_bunny> note to self NEVER touch the keyboard nor hit enter during an SSH upgrade of a system
[02:40] <idefix> how do you make the logical "not" character in linux?
[02:40] <slyfox> YingFan: I am looking through the forums now.
[02:40] <boubbin> how to upgrade to kde 3.5.6 ?
[02:40] <idefix> oh no, I've probably been ticking off people
[02:41] <mellow_bunny> second note to self.. always have SSH sessions logged
[02:41] <jhaig> mellow_bunny: Have you come across 'screen'?
[02:41] <mellow_bunny> screen?
[02:42] <mellow_bunny> it sounds like sarcasm
[02:42] <jhaig> mellow_bunny: It allows you to run a session and then put it in the background.
[02:42] <slyfox> boubbin: go to kde site, get the source link and put it into your .sources list , it is all written on kde site.
[02:42] <mellow_bunny> OH i see
[02:42] <mellow_bunny> no i havent
[02:42] <stranger> how do you make the logical "not" character in linux?
[02:42] <mellow_bunny> but that would be very handy
[02:42] <mellow_bunny> i'll look it up
[02:42] <jhaig> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6340
[02:42] <slyfox> YingFan: "Ok here is how I fixed it to work. I did not use the comand line. I went into the systems settings, then to administrator then into the disk and file settings. I then modified the people who could access it from Sudo to my ext..."   mayeb this ?
[02:42] <retarded> could anyone be so kind to explain the difference between alsa and oss audio ??
[02:43] <mellow_bunny> thanks jhaig
[02:43] <mellow_bunny> now the moment of truth.. restarting the system X_X
[02:43] <IdleOne> alsa = new oss = old . use alsa
[02:44] <retarded> thank you idle one
[02:44] <jhaig> mellow_bunny: Also look up 'script' if you want to log a session.
[02:44] <surviver> hy, i search a good dvd -cd burner, to burn images, to burn compilations ....
[02:44] <mellow_bunny> fantastic
[02:44] <retarded> hey wait a second IdleOne do i know you :p i have seen that nick somewhere else
[02:44] <IdleOne> retarded: not the best explanation but boils down to that
[02:44] <YingFan> slyfox eh? system settings , then what? advanced you mean, not administrator?
[02:44] <IdleOne> retarded: possibly, dont know
[02:44] <slyfox> YingFan: I cant find it either, got it from here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406948&page=2&highlight=mount+formatted+hard+drive
[02:45] <surviver> ! burn dvd
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about burn dvd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <surviver> !burndvd
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about burndvd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <retarded> do you perhaps know what PB could mean ? if so say yes if not then your another idle one :p
[02:45] <IdleOne> !burn
[02:45] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[02:45] <surviver> ^^
[02:46] <stranger> the logical "not" character is not in the character map in linux!
[02:46] <IdleOne> retarded: besides Public Bathroom or Peanut Butter nope I dont
[02:46] <retarded> ok nvm then
[02:46] <retarded> got to be another iddle one
[02:46] <retarded> :d
[02:47] <YingFan> slyfox yes, but that's too specific, i mount many different pens, i cannot manually change permissions on each
[02:47] <YingFan> slyfox i'm looking for more general mount options
[02:47] <slyfox> YingFan: I still cannot find where is that disk and diles option ?
[02:47] <slyfox> *files
[02:47] <YingFan> slyfox system settings, then advanced tab
[02:48] <retarded> well thanks for the explanation .. i was kind of wondering why oss did not play sound when i was having another guest oss using sound , while alsa did .. i at first thought one would be using hardware and other software but i guess its tied to the alsa version beeing recent then :d
[02:48] <slyfox> YingFan: System - Adminsitrator -      there ?
[02:48] <YingFan> maybe it
[02:49] <YingFan> oops
[02:49] <YingFan> slyfox i'm using kde, so maybe different
[02:49] <ab__> where are program files inubuntu-user for 1 day
[02:49] <slyfox> YingFan: I have Ubuntu Feisty.
[02:49] <YingFan> slyfox me too, but if youve done nothing to change it, you have gnome not kde
[02:50] <atomiku> Also, is Privoxy absolutely necessary?
[02:50] <atomiku> oops
[02:50] <atomiku> I ment: How can I use tor? I'm trying to run it normally, and as root but it says: "[warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this user (root, 0) but by debian-tor (109). Perhaps you are running Tor as the wrong user?"
[02:50] <michaelpo> i've downloaded ubuntu6.10, when i tried to install on my old p2 laptop, it cannot detect my external cdrom teac2405, i've searched the forum, nothing, i've tried damnsmalllinux, it detected, i think maybe kernal2.4 works on the cdrom? does older ubuntu based on kernel2.4? how do i download that old ubuntu?
[02:50] <mips> Why can't I install grub to the partition of sda3 like Debian allows you ?
[02:52] <jamesb_> what will the next development version of ubuntu be called - ie. feisty fawn +1?
[02:52] <IdleOne> !gusthank you
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gusthank you - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <IdleOne> !gutsy
[02:52] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:53] <mips> Any idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???
[02:53] <jamesb_> ah - couldn't find it in the faq on http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq - maybe someone can update it?
[02:54] <slyfox> YingFan: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=31967
[02:54] <jhaig> jamesb_: The current development version is still Feisty, until tomorrow.  Gibbon doesn't exist until then.  I guess that the faq will be updated soon.
[02:55] <ab__> whats with the sound-video card problems-thats the first thing i'd get right  if i wanted people to switch from windows
[02:55] <TooR4u> Hiii .. My Browser is crashing when i open some sites ... what might be the problem.. .?
[02:55] <TooR4u> how to fix that
[02:55] <TooR4u> ?
[02:55] <YingFan> slyfox maybe helps you, but this also assumes the device name is known, then of course one can add an entry in fstab
[02:55] <slyfox> YingFan: does not help me
[02:56] <slyfox> YingFan: I am going to stop ubuntu and log into gparted live cd and format my drive there, then log back in to ubuntu, maybe it will change soemthing
[02:56] <YingFan> ok, i need to go and does some assignments
[02:56] <YingFan> good luck
[02:57] <superatkin> TooR4U: this will help your browser crash problems http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/10/ubuntu-firefox-flash-crash-this-fix.html
[02:57] <superatkin> TooR4U: I assume you are using firefox
[02:58] <retarded> is yingfan saying i can add for example a name to a "unkown device 233445:022222 for exemple" ??
[02:58] <TooR4u> superatkin,Yah ... thank u... i will check that
[02:59] <retarded> in fstab
[02:59] <NewbieBaba> i downloaded "xwinwrap-061227-8.1.src.rpm". but it wont let me to extract files in to /usr/bin/ how can i extract those files in Terminal window
[03:00] <michup> hi, ive problem with './lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4` not found (required blah blah...
[03:01] <michup> i tried to find it in synaptic but was pretty confused which package should i install
[03:01] <michup> ?
[03:01] <rambo3> @slap NewbieBaba
[03:01] <NewbieBaba> :(
[03:01] <miyako> hi, I'm trying to set up so I can tunnel web through a SOCKS proxy over ssh, I did "ssh -ND 3128 me@myhost" then went into mozilla, to the proxy settings, set manual proxy configuration, went to SOCKS proxy, entered localhost and 3128 - connection is timing out- are there any steps that I'm missing here - either extra software I need on the server, or something I'm screwing up on the client side?
[03:02] <rambo3> !info xwinwrap-src
[03:02] <ubotu> Package xwinwrap-src does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[03:02] <crdlb> NewbieBaba, you really shouldn't use rpm's, and that is a source rpm so it won't work without being compiled
[03:02] <NewbieBaba> so how can i use screensaver as wallpaper?
[03:03] <NewbieBaba> i googled it n it said that i need xwinwrap
[03:03] <michup> which package should i install to have glibc 2.4 library?
[03:03] <sadistic_> can someone help me a bit with Launchers @ pannels ?
[03:03] <rambo3> NewbieBaba, xwinwrap = terminal with babgroumd
[03:04] <sadistic_> any1 ?
[03:04] <NewbieBaba> hmm?
[03:04] <crdlb> NewbieBaba, yes that's the right package, but a source rpm isn't going to work
[03:04] <sadistic_> well
[03:04] <crdlb> xwinwrap will do that