[02:12] <veer> hello
[02:12] <veer> I Need a sugession
[02:12] <veer> I wanted to install Ubuntu on Nexus 7 2012 model
[05:30] <Meowhacker22> On the tablet, some apps (e.g. Document Viewer, System Settings) are automatically sidestaged. How does one fullscreen them?
[06:35] <conyoo> good mornin'
[06:35] <conyoo> !ping
[10:00] <pitti> ogra_: I don't want unity8-autopilot with all its autopilot deps; but just shipping its tests sounds a lot less harmful
[10:00] <pitti> ogra_: anyway, it's just one possible solution when we need to test old images; obviously the "archive snapshot of test deps" would be nicer (but lot more work)
[11:52] <Isotop7> is there any irc client hägoing to be release? there is really a lack of it i think...
[11:54] <Isotop7>  hand is there a release date for the milestone update of libqtelegram?
[12:08] <tathhu> ssh + irssi? :P
[12:08] <tathhu> how app lifesycle wathever would work with stuff like that anyway
[12:09] <Isotop7> okay....an easy to use client :D
[12:09] <tathhu> :P
[12:09] <tathhu> there's one pretty good for jolla :D
[12:12] <tathhu> (port it)
[16:06] <tathhu> Hmm, which channel I should use on my N7 so I'd get ~same stuff as on eg arale?
[16:37] <peat-psuwit> My phone seems to have symptom of this bug:https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1442962
[16:38] <peat-psuwit> How should I diagnose?
[16:54] <jrbt> heyo :)
[16:55] <jrbt> sup?
[18:25] <Dragonkeeper> hello
[18:25] <brobostigon> evening Dragonkeeper
[18:26] <Dragonkeeper> anyone running dev branch for bq phone ?
[18:28] <Dragonkeeper> i am getting cell network error :(
[18:35] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: which dev channel?
[18:40] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: i think im on  krillin/devel   r139   the problem has been for a few revisions .. the issue  just shows no network in the phone app . but both sims show they have signal in the notification bar ,   also in dmesg i can see PropSet Error:[ro.ril.ecclist:112,911] ro.* properties may NEVER be modified once set   and [lk_env] cann't find persist.ril.cfu.querytype
[18:48] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: you might have run into #1467640?
[18:49] <tathhu> Will I brick my nexus 7 if i install scopes from bq?
[18:49] <tathhu> ;D
[18:50] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: i dont think so. the network connects , then the phone part doesnt work .. signal bars still show and network page still shows the network status ..
[18:51] <Dragonkeeper> some times the phone app will let me call and recieve calls then its just fails . some times it takes multiple restarts to get it back.. but once onces it fails it wont come back on its own
[18:51] <anpok_> .. ok this might be a different bug
[18:51] <tathhu> Oh atleast today-scope is on store :o
[18:51] <tathhu> Nvm
[18:51] <tathhu> :D
[18:53] <tathhu> But it is *same* as on bq..
[18:54] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: imo we shouldnt let that happen, (ubuntu-touch/devel being in such a state, but right now you are better off with using ubuntu-touch/{stable,rc,rc-proposed}/bq-aquaris.en
[18:54] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: well if there is anything i can pull to help you out i will
[18:55] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: look if there is another bug report in bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[18:56] <anpok_> I believe I have seen that error description somwhere
[18:56] <tathhu> Seems to be.
[18:57] <anpok_> tathhu: it should be the same yes..
[18:57] <Dragonkeeper> checking
[19:00] <blib> anyone hanging in here?
[19:00] <blib> I am looking to load ubuntu on my htc one m8 device and connect it using usb to a ubuntu box. Has anyone done this ?
[19:02] <anpok_> take a look at the links in the topic..
[19:04] <anpok_> but I believe htc one m8 is to new for people to break it..
[19:05] <blib> anpok_: what's a good phone to use ubuntu one on?
[19:06] <tathhu> Bq/Meizu/Nexus
[19:06] <tathhu> :D
[19:06] <blib> tathhu: does apt-get work on these? Nexus 5 for example?
[19:06] <blib> can I install python on it?
[19:07] <anpok_> there should be python already installed
[19:07] <blib> says "Power management issues (the battery performance isn't great)"
[19:08] <anpok_> this is at the moment only true for the mx4
[19:08] <anpok_> but people are working on that right now
[19:08] <blib> anpok_: so nexus 5 works - no power issues/sensor issues?
[19:08] <anpok_> a nexus5
[19:08] <anpok_> didnt read that..
[19:09] <blib> anpok_: is there a 2015 phone on which ubuntu works well?
[19:09] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1442962
[19:09] <anpok_> not sure about that port, I only know bt does not work right now..
[19:10] <blib> anpok_: I don't need bt. But power issues are serious
[19:10] <anpok_> blib: if you consider e4.5 or e5 2015 phones.. then those.. and I am sure mx4 will be good soon
[19:10] <blib> what's mx4?
[19:10] <tathhu> Meizu
[19:11] <blib> samsung galaxy e5 will work well?
[19:11] <brobostigon> s5?
[19:11] <blib> yes
[19:11] <blib> http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_e5-6906.php
[19:12] <brobostigon> thats new to me, not heard about that.
[19:12] <tathhu> http://www.bq.com/gb/aquaris-e4-5-ubuntu-edition
[19:13] <tathhu> http://www.bq.com/gb/aquaris-e5-ubuntu-edition
[19:13] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: the bug states only vivid+overlay (which would be ubunt-touch/rc-proposed/*)
[19:14] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: i know but that seems to be the bug im getting in the devel branch. or if its not the same , the result of it is
[19:15] <blib> tathhu: so no good phones of 2015 do ubuntu yet? - > iphone/samsung s6/LG G4/...?
[19:16] <Dragonkeeper> if it has ubuntu then its upgraded to a great phone automaticly
[19:16] <tathhu> Dragonkeeper: :P
[19:16] <blib> Dragonkeeper: how do you access the sensors from python ?
[19:16] <blib> camera/accelerometer/...?
[19:17] <blib> also, what interface does the usb wire support? How do I ship out data from a ubuntu phone to a ubuntu box? (camera output/other data)
[19:17]  * Dragonkeeper shrugs
[19:18] <hevyhomie> hi there, I am porting touch to Moto E, and I keep getting this on build: http://pastebin.com/BAbhizUy
[19:18] <anpok_> hevyhomie: is this really the first compilation error?
[19:18] <Dragonkeeper> im not of mass knowledge atm. lol  blib
[19:19] <Dragonkeeper> working long hours takes its toll
[19:19] <blib> maybe someone else knows
[19:19] <blib> how do you access the sensors from python ?
[19:20] <tathhu> blib: plug it in and it worksTM
[19:20] <anpok_> blib: depends on the sensor.. some are generic evdev .. some are more specific
[19:20] <tathhu> afaik
[19:20] <tathhu> iirc :P too lazy to test
[19:20] <anpok_> just like on your pc..
[19:24] <blib> anpok_: accelerometers/magnetometers/gps - is there a sample somewhere?
[19:24] <blib> tathhu: works - and apis are different things - am asking about the python api.
[19:25] <anpok_> for general positioning better take lp:location-service .. it has a dbus api
[19:25] <blib> anpok_: is there a python interface for these things?
[19:25] <tathhu> blib: ahh. :D
[19:25] <anpok_> blib: dbus?
[19:25] <blib> anpok_: also, how do I ship data from the phone to the host computer running ubuntu
[19:26] <blib> anpok_: is there a wrapper around dbus that one can use from python? Or do I have to compile/install dbus on python + write my communication code.
[19:27] <blib> anpok_: does apt-get run similar to ubuntu boxes on the phone?
[19:28] <blib> anpok_: is gpsd running on the phone already?
[19:30] <anpok_> blib: the most important thing to consider when writing for ubuntu-touch (and ubuntu in the future) is application confinement and application lifecycle.
[19:31] <anpok_> take a look at that: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/
[19:31] <anpok_> -> App confinement..
[19:32] <tathhu> "The application life-cycle policies enforced on Ubuntu Touch* also mean that the app is unable to run in the background. If you switch to another app during streaming the app will stop playing music." :-(
[19:33] <anpok_> wrt to apt-get - we currently only use that for development. to add stuff on top of the image. For that you have to make the file system writeable.. and with that the gates are open for breaking the image based update or the installed image..
[19:35] <anpok_> if you want to stay out of trouble you better ship the stuff you need as click packages.. (which is like a more self contained deb with extra stuff)
[19:35] <anpok_> tathhu: for that purpose there is media-hub which handles audio and video playback in a centralized manner
[19:35] <hevyhomie> anpok_: yes it is first compile error
[19:36] <anpok_> hevyhomie: hm sorry not enough context to figure out what could be missing.. xda-developers.com might be a better source for help
[19:39] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: ok i am going to flash
[19:39] <Dragonkeeper> (branch change)   what do you recommend
[19:40] <hevyhomie> anpok_: all good. Unfortunately XDA-developers.com has no Moto E thread :(
[19:40] <hevyhomie> anpok_: for touch
[19:40] <hevyhomie> anpok_: thanks anyways
[19:41] <anpok_> wait..
[19:41] <anpok_> that error did not look very ubuntu touch specific
[19:42] <Dragonkeeper> mine ?
[19:42] <anpok_> no hevyhomie
[19:44] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: to be safe use ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en ... or s/stable/rc
[19:46] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: are they currently on 14.04 / 14.10  still ?  i wasnt able to use gba emulation with stable when i previously used it
[19:47] <anpok_> yes still on 14.10 with the stable-phone ppa applied on top
[19:47] <anpok_> what was the problem with the gba emulation?
[19:48] <Dragonkeeper> wouldnt process the image to the screen. leaving me with black white image..  currently its working on 15.10
[19:48] <Dragonkeeper> blank*
[19:49] <anpok_> hm that was a problem with libsdl?
[19:49] <Dragonkeeper> maybe.. i didnt really look into it tbh
[19:50] <Dragonkeeper> apparently it was working on nexus devices so it was a bq specific thing at the time
[19:51] <Dragonkeeper> also what is the extra pay load ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu-developer  has ?
[19:54] <anpok_> no idea..
[19:57] <Dragonkeeper> hmm ill try out ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[19:58] <anpok_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1460149
[19:59] <Dragonkeeper> unsure if i had a problem with them on 14  all working on 15 tho
[20:02] <blib> can one run a ubuntu server box on these phones? Can the sensors be accessed from python then?
[20:04] <anpok_> blib: you can modify the software in any way you want.. (only limited by user space driver blobs or binary firmwares)
[20:06] <Dragonkeeper> ok looks like im going from r137 to r65   .. the problem (as a guess) was around r134  so fingers crossed i should be fine
[20:08] <Dragonkeeper> then i should really pay my phone bill so they resume service lol
[20:11] <Dragonkeeper> if ubuntu has a way for my laptop to use its network that would be great
[20:11] <Dragonkeeper> its a chromebook
[20:12] <Dragonkeeper> my company does everything via paperwork  so there is litterally no computers anywhere... some days i feel like im dying
[20:16] <blib> anpok_: once you load ubuntu server 14.04.02LTS on a phone like E5 - what do you do to make the sensors accessible? What happens to the power part? LCD interaction?
[20:16] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: there is a android-gadget-service enable rndis ..: http://askubuntu.com/questions/616245/tether-ubuntu-bq-phone
[20:18] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: this works ok now ?  it never wanted to forward the connection before
[20:18] <anpok_> never tried it
[20:20] <anpok_> i just heard people claim it wokrs
[20:20] <Dragonkeeper> ll try it again once phone boots new revision
[20:22] <Dragonkeeper> only 2 things i need in my life .. internet and dual sim lol
[20:23] <blib> Dragonkeeper: have you ever run ubuntu server on a phone?
[20:23] <Dragonkeeper> which brings me to the point...  when dual sim is activated ..  ubuntu should tell you which sim your being called from
[20:23] <Dragonkeeper> atm i dont think it even tell you which number is calling unless its saved in contacts ??
[20:24] <Dragonkeeper> blib: nope
[20:25] <Dragonkeeper> well network is showing in phono app so..bonus /
[21:02] <Majd> Hello i am new here.
[21:02] <tathhu> Majd: hi
[21:02] <Majd> I have chinese phone which i am rooting at the moment
[21:03] <Majd> i would like to install ubuntu on it
[21:03] <Majd> how would i know if it's supported
[21:03] <Majd> and have you have this experience ?
[21:07] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: rndis works/ unsure bout with  mobile data
[21:08] <Majd> thanks DragonKeeper
[21:09] <Majd> do i have to have ubuntu installed on my laptop to start this process
[21:09] <Majd> ?
[21:09] <Majd> can't i do it from windows?
[21:09] <Dragonkeeper> majd ?do you mean
[21:09] <Dragonkeeper> majd ? what do you mean
[21:10] <Majd> i want to install ubuntu on my mobile
[21:10] <Majd> the tutorial i found suggest doing it using ubuntu desktop
[21:10] <Majd> but i don't have ubuntu os on my laptop
[21:10] <Dragonkeeper> yes use ubuntu desktop
[21:10] <Majd> my laptop runs windows 8
[21:10] <alin_> Dragonkeeper: works fine... though I doubt you will be able to call/receive calls while using tethering
[21:11] <Majd> hmmm
[21:11] <Dragonkeeper> alin_: ill try it out once my mobile data is reenabled .  i have dual sim so theres a chance i could
[21:12] <Majd> DragonKeeper are aware of any tutorial or guidance to do it from windows
[21:12] <Majd> ?
[21:12] <Dragonkeeper> use ubuntu desktop... use a VM if you must
[21:12] <Majd> aha
[21:12] <Majd> thanks alin
[21:12] <Majd> and DragonKeeper
[22:42] <SturmFlut> kalikiana: Great Ubuntu game reviews on G+
[22:45] <kalikiana> SturmFlut: Thanks!
[22:46] <kalikiana> Hoping to see more of these native games (yeah I'm a little biased, as much as I love some web apps, native more often than not trumps web)
[22:47] <SturmFlut> kalikiana: Oh, Panda Love and Snowball World are standalone HTML5 games
[22:48] <kalikiana> SturmFlut: heh, way to prove my bias wrong :-D
[22:49] <kalikiana> I guess they're still written with Ubuntu touch in mind?
[22:49] <SturmFlut> kalikiana: We had to build a custom QML WebView container around them though, to force the orientation on both OTA-4 and OTA-5
[22:51] <SturmFlut> kalikiana: No, actually we licensed both games from a guy from Brasil (I think) who created them with a game builder called "Construct2" and then exported to HTML5.
[22:53] <kalikiana> hmmmm https://www.scirra.com/construct2 looks windows only
[22:54] <SturmFlut> Version 3 will support Linux
[22:54] <kalikiana> ah
[22:54] <SturmFlut> We think about everything ;)
[22:54] <kalikiana> I was gonna say that would make it a really odd choice
[22:56] <kalikiana> suppose it goes to show how well our html5 experience works if I can't easily tell it from built for the system
[22:57] <SturmFlut> Yeah, I am pretty happy with the result. And it worked as expected. Design the game in Construct2, hit on "Export HTML5", put the output inside the prepared Ubuntu container, ship.
[22:59] <SturmFlut> I think when everybody has updated to OTA-5 we can even drop the QML and just use webapp-container directly
[23:01] <SturmFlut> This opens the platform for an incredible number of games, Construct2 is very popular and if you ship the game for free you can even use the free version of the tool.
[23:30] <mariogrip> Anyone know why qmuxd gets "Unable to open port id /dev/smdcntl0, error [19:No such device]" when i know the smdcntl0 exist + has correct permission?


[00:00] <qwebirc106043> Its just not sending
[00:02] <JanC> maybe you need to log in or not and you're doing that wrong?
[00:03] <qwebirc106043> Ok, Incoming mail server is failing too now. How can i fix this? Incoming needs 25 right?
[00:04] <JanC> for receiving mail from other mailservers, yes
[00:04] <qwebirc106043> is there a way to change that?Or do i need to contact my ISP to have them unblock it?
[00:07] <JanC> there is no way to change that, and most ISPs won't unblock (unless you have a business account maybe)
[00:10] <CrunchyChewie> I want to use exim4 as a send-only email for my web app, how do I make it appear as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>versus my user account<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:12] <JanC> that has nothing to do with exim; just use it as the "From:" in your webapp?
[00:12] <CrunchyChewie> oh ok
[00:12] <CrunchyChewie> I just wanted to make sure
[00:12] <CrunchyChewie> I am a bit clueless on mta's
[00:13] <JanC> then go out and read   ;)
[00:13] <CrunchyChewie> If OSS documentation was that good these channels would be empty :)
[00:14] <JanC> actually, there are lots of tutorials & how-to's and whatever about MTA's
[00:14] <JanC> and in any case, this is not about open vs. closed source, but about an internet protocol  ;)
[07:26] <floodplain> Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right ch. I've broken my lamp installation and need to completely reinstall it. i've been trying for hours but after each apt-get remove --purge and synaptic gui complere removal the reinstall  it doesn't work. any advice on how to get lamp back as if it was the first time installing it? thanks
[10:37] <cemc> what's the easiest way to display a message to the console, even if nobody is logged in? I have a background script I need to know what it's doing even if I'm at the login (tty1..6) and not logged in.
[11:07] <EricJ> cemc: I'd probably just redirect the output to a file or something.
[11:15] <airtonix> when i run `sudo krb5_newrealm` it returns a prompt showing it has found and decided to use the fqdn kerberos.servername.local, i added srv records to my bind dns zone, yet it still uses the .local domain, what should i be editing to make it use my dns provided domain ?
[12:24] <alessandro_> ciao c'è qualche italiano qui?
[12:39] <RoyK> alessandro_: this is an english language channel, please
[12:40] <RoyK> alessandro_: there's another channel, ubuntu-it, that may be better for your use
[15:48] <FernandoTertiary> hola, can anybody look to the forum post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1775007 & assist if potentially able por favor?
[16:24] <FernandoTertiary> what shell would be used to "depurate" the router for a Ubuntu machine?
[16:37] <luite> FernandoTertiary: have you been able to get a http connection to your ubuntu server working?
[16:38] <luite> and what does "depurate" mean?
[16:51] <FernandoTertiary> luite: a Windoze person was asking about telnet stuff
[16:51] <FernandoTertiary> and the answer is "have not yet" *frowns"
[16:54] <luite> FernandoTertiary: you mean telnet to your router?
[16:55] <FernandoTertiary> luite: telnet to router is perhaps what the Windoze guy suggests
[16:57] <FernandoTertiary> luite: can you look to the Ubuntu Forum post perhaps?
[16:57] <FernandoTertiary> it has all information updated
[16:57] <FernandoTertiary> look to the forum post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1775007 & assist if potentially able por favor?
[17:30] <fosterdv> Anyone by chance know anything about troubleshooting mail, in mbox format?
[18:38] <Greg882> Anyone happen to have experience setting up ss5?
[18:42] <RoyK> ss5?
[18:42] <Greg882> socks server 5
[18:44] <ikonia> yup
[18:44] <ikonia> it's pretty much dead now
[18:45] <Greg882> I have been looking for another option but I cannot seem to find a decent package that has the option to route my connections out on the same ip that they come in on
[18:45] <ikonia> what is it you want to do ?
[18:45] <ikonia> (end to end)
[18:47] <Greg882> I have a vps with 3 ips I need the proxy to connect out on the same interface it came in on and have working authentication as well
[18:47] <Greg882> more or less
[18:48] <ikonia> can you not do that with iptables and connection established ?
[18:49] <Greg882> I just made a mess when I attempted to do that before. You wouldnt happen to know of any resources on that avenue?
[18:49] <ikonia> --state ESTABLISHED
[18:49] <ikonia> I'm a bit rusty so you may want to check that with the guys in #netfilter
[18:50] <ikonia> if you do -i $interface --state ESTABLISHED (at a high level) that should keep the established connections bound to the interface
[18:51] <Greg882> Alright
[19:57] <Pr0zoid> hey guys i have a question...  I have an ip address that seems to be blocked but when i do iptables -L i don't see the blocked ip
[20:01] <agleason6> I have a question about DNS setup
[20:03] <agleason6> I'm a complete newb when it comes to networking stuff, but do I need to setup my own DNS server (bind9) if I'm pointing my domain to someone else's nameservers?
[20:05] <qman__> no
[20:07] <agleason6> how does that work? I've got my domain, and I set the namespace to point to ns1.afraid.org, but how do I tell afraid.org what my IP is? so that when someone goes to my domain it goes to my server?
[20:10] <qman__> you log into your afraid.org account and configure it there
[20:10] <qman__> in the case of dynamic DNS, you set up a script on your server to wget the URL, which afraid.org then uses to configure it
[20:12] <agleason6> k thanks!
[20:25] <RefaelAlats> hola
[20:25] <RefaelAlats> there is a modem bridged to a router, & the modem MAC address is displayed in "ifconfig", though the Linksys as well has a MAC address, & the Linksys has determined the WAN address per the MAC address
[20:26] <RefaelAlats> the Linksys MAC address is not reflected in the "ifconfig", though the Linksys has determined the WAN per the Linksys MAC
[20:27] <RefaelAlats> & can't reach the WAN
[21:21] <RefaelAlats> see the forum post in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10905982#post10905982 & assist if you are able por favor
[22:58] <llslim> hello has anyone else have trouble with "ping" running idle and not timing out with the following command: "ping -c 2 -W 2 "?
[23:00] <llslim> err forgot the ip "ping <IP_ADDRESS> -c 2 -W 2"
[23:59] <sw0rdfish> is webmin a tool that should be used for people who know what their doing?
[23:59] <sw0rdfish> or can a newbie use it too


[15:44] <amitk> ogra: your rootstock script looks for qemu, I believe you need qemu-arm-static?
[15:48] <amitk> or rather qemu-kvm-extras
[15:54] <amitk> ogra: await my trivial patch while a struggle through bzr
[16:15] <Martyn> Okay, more fun with Karmic this morning ---
[16:15] <Martyn> mountall:/proc/filesystems: No such file or directory
[16:15] <Martyn> init: mountall main process (638) killed by SEGV signal
[16:15] <Martyn> This is what I get at the end of the boot sequence...
[16:15] <Martyn> [   22.769409] Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2...
[16:15] <Martyn> [   22.794891] mmc0: new SDHC card at address 8fe4
[16:15] <Martyn> [   22.800201] mmcblk0: mmc0:8fe4 SD04G 3.69 GiB
[16:15] <Martyn> [   22.805053]  mmcblk0: p1 p2
[16:16] <Martyn> I'm assuming this is caused by the new init replacement?
[16:16] <amitk> Martyn: I recall lool talking about this and that it was fixed in the latest upload
[16:16] <Martyn> I just built a rootstock 12 hours ago
[16:16] <Martyn> is that upload newer than that rootstock?
[16:17] <Martyn> (do you know if lool made a launchpad bug I could look it up against?)
[16:17] <amitk> Martyn: dunno, but I think it was fixed today
[16:18] <amitk> ogra: does rootstock work with apt-cacher-ng? -m <url> isn't working.
[16:21] <Martyn> urk .. today eh?
[16:21] <Martyn> Well, I'll try building another rootstock then
[16:21] <Martyn> I hate how long it takes
[16:22] <amitk> Martyn: hence the question about apt-cacher-ng above :)
[16:23] <amitk> I think rootstock should either be modified to cache the .debs in a local dir
[16:23] <amitk> or use apt-cacher-ng
[16:23] <amitk> It probably does, I am just too dense to figure out how
[16:25] <Martyn> afik I haven't seen anything that lets it cache the .debs
[16:27] <Martyn> which would, frankly, be awesome
[16:30] <amitk> though the biggest bottleneck isn't downloading the .debs, but installing them inside qemu (which isn't multi-core friendly)
[16:57] <Martyn> Mine is downloading the .debs
[16:58] <Martyn> Because right now it's at #268
[16:58] <Martyn> and still going
[17:12] <lool> amitk: You need qemu-arm-static for rootstock
[17:12] <lool> amitk: It uses binfmt misc to run the executables and cant work with a qemu needing shared libs
[17:12] <lool> Martyn: mountall as fixed < 12 hours ago
[17:12] <lool> +was
[17:12] <lool> Martyn: You need .2
[17:13] <Martyn> Yeah, so I'm building a new rootstock
[17:13] <Martyn> .2?
[17:13] <Martyn> what's the fix?
[17:14] <Martyn> /bin/sh /usr/bin/rootstock --fqdn beagleboard.i.smooth-stone.com --login default --password default --imagesize 2G --seed xfce4,gdm --dist karmic --serial ttyS2 --kernel-image http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/karmic/v2.6.31-rc8-3777b1e-ang1.1/linux-image-2.6.31-rc8-ang1.1_1.0karmic_armel.deb
[17:14] <Martyn>
[17:14] <Martyn> That's my current build
[17:37] <lool> Martyn: There are a bunch of changes
[17:42] <armin76> Martyn: any news wrt my ssh access? :)
[18:33] <Martyn> lool : they should all appear in the rootstock I'm doing, right?
[18:33] <Martyn> armin76 : Didn't I send you the ip/log/pass?
[18:34] <Martyn> look for an email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:35] <armin76> hrm..
[18:36] <armin76> Martyn: probably got marked as spam :/ can you resend it please?
[18:37] <armin76> when did you send it?
[18:40] <Martyn> A long while ago
[18:40] <armin76> i got junk mails up-to 25th sept
[18:41] <Martyn> pretty much after you first asked
[18:41] <Martyn> Okay, later when I get a chance to hit the lab
[18:41] <armin76> :(
[18:41] <Martyn> right now I'm still working on getting the new rootstock working
[18:41] <armin76> ok, thank you :)
[18:45] <Martyn> init: procps main process (650) terminated with status 255 -- new error
[18:45] <Martyn> It doesn't seem to affect much on the board when I boot ( it proceeds to doing keymap, etc )
[18:45] <Martyn> but still, it's odd that procps is dying
[18:57] <ogra> amitk, i use it with approx here, it doesnt work if you use localhost in the url
[18:57] <ogra> beyond that it should just work
[18:58] <amitk> ogra: do you have a pre-synced archive or does it cache on the fly?
[18:58] <ogra> on the fly
[18:59] <ogra> but given that i usually build one or two images a day it is usually up to date
[19:01] <Martyn> huh .. so I should be able to use apt-cacher-ng, as long as I use the fqdn?
[19:01] <Martyn> (and not localhost.localdomain?)
[19:02] <ogra> right
[19:04] <armin76> Martyn: hrm...i don't think i ever gave you my mail :P
[19:04] <Martyn> I'll remember that for my next build
[19:04] <armin76><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[19:11] <amitk> ogra: what does the --kernel-image option do in rootstock? Since it can't really flash the kernel into the SD.
[19:12] <ogra> amitk, used by beagle, not my code
[19:12] <ogra> it didnt break the rest so i simply accepted the patch
[19:12] <ogra> ignore it for anything but beagle
[19:12] <ogra> (i think the manpage says that)
[19:13] <Martyn> yep
[19:13] <Martyn> and I'm using it on a beagle :)
[19:13] <Martyn> looks remarkably good, actually.. latest rootstock only has the procps bug on boot
[19:13] <Martyn> amitk: and you can flash the kernel onto the SD for some architectures :)
[19:14] <Martyn> the PBX-A9 now has a u-boot loader that will look on the mmc card first, rather than nand
[19:14] <ojn> gumstix will even load u-boot from mmc before it loads it from nand
[19:14] <ojn> (_very_ convenient :)
[19:17] <Martyn> X-Loader does rock that way :)
[19:17] <Martyn> beagle can do, with the correct X-Loader
[19:25] <NCommander> lool, at the risk of being dense, what specifically is the problem with mountall on dove (aside from the fact it breaks images)?
[20:27] <lool> NCommander: I dont know
[22:15] <NCommander> lool, meh, I guess its going to require bisection with the latest uploads to figure out what broke it :-/
[22:18] <lool> Why?
[22:28] <NCommander> lool, well, mountall preventing the system from coming up even on installed systems. Its a regression based off one of the most recent updates, so I want to isolate what version it popped up in
[22:35] <ojn> Hmm. What's the supposed procedure to get an uimage to boot from using ubuntu kernels? linux-image-<foo> only gives me a vmlinuz?!
[22:36] <lool> NCommander: it's not the latest version
[22:36] <lool> NCommander: .2 should be fixed
[22:36] <lool> ojn: Depends of the board
[22:36] <lool> ojn: mkimage + flags
[22:37] <NCommander> lool, .2? as in 0.2.2 of mkimage?
[22:37] <ojn> lool: oh, so no package will actually install an uimage for me, I have to do the wrapping by hand?
[22:37]  * ojn finds marvelldovefromscratch on the wiki
[22:37] <lool> NCommander: of mountall
[22:38] <lool> ojn: We support various boards via flash-kernel
[22:38] <NCommander> lool, I'm pretty sure thats what I have on my dove when I dist-upgraded around noon
[22:38] <NCommander> ojn, do you have a Y0 or Y1?
[22:38] <lool> ojn: flash-kernel adjusts the kernel installation, sometimes doing a mkimage, depending on the hardware
[22:38] <lool> NCommander: uhoh
[22:38] <ojn> lool: ah, thanks!
[22:38] <lool> NCommander: Please flag this to keybuk asap if you have 0.2.2
[22:39] <NCommander> lool, let me recheck (aka, let me write a working live image)
[22:39] <lool> NCommander: the latest live image has the old version
[22:39] <lool> which is why I'm trying to respin
[22:39] <NCommander> lool, right, but I dist-upgraded an installed system
[22:39] <NCommander> lool, around noon, and it no longer boots, and hangs like the livefs
[22:40] <NCommander> lool, that's why I brought it up
[22:40] <NCommander> lool, (sidenote: partman-uboot is in main)
[22:40] <Martyn> it is?
[22:40] <Martyn> I'm going to try it then
[22:41] <NCommander> Martyn, ?
[22:41] <NCommander> Martyn, try partman-uboot?
[22:41] <Martyn> yep
[22:41] <NCommander> Martyn, its not part of the installer yet, ubiquity needs to be tweaked
[22:41] <NCommander> Martyn, and only on armel+dove unless you override the sanity checks
[22:41] <Martyn> but the tool is there, yes?
[22:41] <NCommander> Martyn, no tool
[22:41] <Martyn> oh, poot
[22:42] <NCommander> Martyn, partman-uboot just defines to partman that it needs to make an ext2 partition as / or /boot
[22:42] <NCommander> Martyn, its only of interest to the installer :-)
[22:43] <NCommander> Martyn, what sorta tool are you looking for
[22:43] <Martyn> a userspace tool to install and edit the uboot parameters
[22:43] <Martyn> since I have them in an mtd
[22:43] <NCommander> Martyn, uboot-envtools
[22:43] <NCommander> already exists
[22:43] <Martyn> AH.. that's the name of the package :)  thanks
[22:43] <NCommander> er
[22:44] <NCommander> wrong package name
[22:44] <NCommander> hold on
[22:44] <NCommander> Martyn, er, no, I was righ the first time
[22:44] <NCommander> Martyn, you need to feed it a config file with the configuration partition and stuff
[22:44] <NCommander> Martyn, although TBH, you might want to adapt what we're using for Dove. I modified the boot system so we never have to touch the bootloader from the userland
[22:45] <NCommander> Martyn, (I kinda abused u-boots scripting functionality)
[22:45] <lool> NCommander: So did you confirm your mountall version?
[22:45] <lool> NCommander: Please get a bug on this ASAP
[22:45] <lool> It's a critical bug at least on dove
[22:45] <NCommander> lool, I'm still downloading the beta image, I zsync'ed over it by accident
[22:47] <Martyn> lool : The latest buildroot I did, mountall works
[22:47] <Martyn> lool : I get an odd procps error, but that's acceptable
[22:47] <lool> Martyn: I think it's one of our kernel configs triggering that
[22:47] <lool> binfmt misc support missing
[22:47] <Martyn> oops
[22:48] <Martyn> I need to run a custom kernel too .. so I'm using your kernel config + merge w/ mine to produce three different platforms
[22:48] <Martyn> beagle w/ Zippyboard, PBX-A9, and secret-platform
[22:48] <Martyn> so that I can test A8, A9 dual core, and A9 quad core
[22:48]  * NCommander drools at A9 quad core
[22:49] <NCommander> Martyn, how long until I can get a netbook with one of those? :-)
[22:49] <Martyn> AFIK, no manufacturer is using the quad core in a netbook
[22:49] <NCommander> awwww
[22:49] <Martyn> duals look like they are going to be present starting Q2 '10
[22:49] <Martyn> (and in handsets before that, if TI can get their act together and start producing OMAP4's)
[22:50] <NCommander> Martyn, maybe my next Android device will have one of those <g>
[22:50]  * NCommander loves his G1
[22:50] <Martyn> NCommander: Heh.. not before Apple pumps out a new phone with one
[22:51] <Martyn> I don't know why its'
[22:51] <Martyn> it's taking so long for dual core A9 chips to emerge
[22:51] <NCommander> Martyn, the iPhone can bite me. Overpriced proprietary ****
[22:51] <NCommander> I rather have a Windows Mobile device than an iPhone because at least I can load my own stuff
[22:51] <Martyn> My company gets 'em pretty fast after they are produced, and I know we had to fight to get the PBX-A9's and secret-platforms
[22:52] <Martyn> Back tomorrow.   Time for me to head home.
[22:52] <NCommander> Martyn, peace
[22:52] <Martyn> I'm happy to at least have the Beagle working today.   Good rootstock
[22:53] <Martyn> I'll start another rootstock build for 8am tomorrow
[22:53] <Martyn> (Central US)
[22:53] <NCommander> Martyn, ogra will be happy
[22:53] <NCommander> Martyn, BTW, you going to be at UDS?
[22:53] <Martyn> yes, I'm confirmed for UDS
[22:53] <Martyn> and I'll have a couple blueprints in tow for A9 related stuff, ARM-server stuff
[22:53] <NCommander> Martyn, \o/. Bring shiny toys with you that we can gak at :-)
[22:53] <Martyn> that's almost guaranteed
[22:57] <zooko> Any ARM experts want to implement a SHA-3 candidate optimized for the ARM architecture?
[22:58]  * NCommander wonders if that candidate can use ARM VFP
[22:58] <NCommander> Else OW!
[22:59] <zooko> What's VFP?
[22:59] <NCommander> zooko, VFP == the ARM's optional floating point unit :-)
[23:00] <zooko> The algorithm doesn't use floating point.
[23:01] <zooko> The CPU that they are using for benchmarking is actually an old StrongARM.  :-)
[23:01] <zooko> Oh sorry, I mean XScale: 416MHz, ARM XScale-PXA270 rev 4 (v5l)
[23:01] <zooko> But I wouldn't say no if someone offered to implement on something newer with NEON or the like.
[23:01] <NCommander> zooko, link to the algro?
[23:01] <zooko> http://cubehash.cr.yp.to/
[23:02] <zooko> It is the simplest SHA-3 candidate, which makes it easier to implement.
[23:02] <NCommander> zooko, actually this doesn't look too bad for ARM ...
[23:02] <zooko> Yeah, it is all 32-bit
[23:02]  * NCommander doesn't think theres a rotate op-code
[23:03] <NCommander> zooko, I pity whoever had to implement this in Thumb :-)
[23:03] <zooko> I was trying to figure out how to make it more cache-friendly by reordering somehow
[23:03] <zooko> but I don't see it.
[23:03] <zooko> The performance sucks on the XScale.
[23:03] <zooko> 126 cycles per byte processed
[23:03] <NCommander> zooko, ow
[23:04] <zooko> I would guess it is just compiling the C implementation with gcc.  :-)
[23:04]  * NCommander is trying to think what is missing in the base instruction set
[23:04] <zooko> http://bench.cr.yp.to/results-hash.html
[23:04] <NCommander> ARM's base instruction set isn't lean per-say, but your missing a ton of fun things
[23:04] <zooko> ^-- search in text for "arm,"
[23:05] <NCommander> zooko, no hardware XOR for one
[23:05]  * NCommander is kinda suprised on that one
[23:05] <zooko> Wow.
[23:05] <zooko> That is a limitation!
[23:06] <NCommander> zooko, welcome to ARM. Leave your instructionset at the door.
[23:06] <zooko> What versions of ARM instruction set lack an XOR?
[23:06] <NCommander> zooko, all of them. The base instruction set doesn't have it
[23:06] <NCommander> zooko, it might be on the VFP
[23:06]  * zooko tries to imagine how to program without an XOR instruction.
[23:07] <NCommander> zooko, you can make it out of the logical not/or/and, but I'm not actually sure if thats right
[23:07]  * NCommander is rechecking
[23:09] <neonfreon> EOR
[23:09] <neonfreon> is in thumb2
[23:09] <NCommander> neonfreon, yeah, but its not in th ebase set
[23:10] <NCommander> There are a few instructions that only exist in thumb2, and not in the base ARM
[23:10]  * NCommander is still not sure
[23:11] <neonfreon> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.qrc0001m/QRC0001_UAL.pdf
[23:11] <neonfreon> it's hard to read
[23:11] <neonfreon> it looks like it may be in base
[23:11] <NCommander> neonfreon, yeah, we're reading the same doc :-)
[23:12]  * NCommander eats his boot
[23:12] <NCommander> neonfreon, yeah, its eor
[23:12] <NCommander> wow, thats quirky
[23:12]  * NCommander has only done a few veyr basic things on ARM ASM
[23:13]  * NCommander was considering breaking out the reference manual but I believe thats overkill on this
[23:14] <zooko> Great!  We have an XOR instruction.
[23:14] <zooko> So the naive implementation of CubeHash in ARM assembly would probably be fine.
[23:15] <zooko> I was wondering if there was some clever trick to do things in a different order so as to maximize re-use of the cache, but I'll bet that's not needed.
[23:15] <NCommander> zooko, in ARM. I won't want to try it in Thumb :-)
[23:15] <zooko> The entire state is only 128 bytes, so I suppose the CPU will naturally keep it all in cache the whole time if it is implemented in the straightforward way.
[23:16] <zooko> NCommander: I don't really know what Thumb is.  That was/is an optional architecture feature to have 16-bit opcodes?
[23:16] <NCommander> zooko, yeah, its meant for really embedded stuff
[23:16] <NCommander> Implementing CubeHash in Thumb would be close to pulling teeth I suspect
[23:18] <zooko> Does the XScale implement ARM?
[23:23] <roxfan> yes
[23:23] <roxfan> if you mean the instruction set
[23:24] <roxfan> armv5 plus some extensions
[23:24] <roxfan> i hear internally it's quite different (different pipeline and other stuff)
[23:25] <zooko> Cool.  So a straightforward implementation of CubeHash in armv5 should (I hope) drastically improve the performance on that benchmark that I linked to.
[23:29] <roxfan> it might, if you're using some v5 features
[23:29] <roxfan> if your xscale has iwmmxt you probably could improve it even further
[23:31] <NCommander> lool, confirmed, 0.2.2 doesn't seem to work on Dove. I just want to check one last thing, and then I'll file a bug
[23:33] <roxfan> NCommander: arm does have xor
[23:33] <roxfan> they just call it eor
[23:33] <roxfan> ah nv,
[23:33] <roxfan> nvm
[23:33] <NCommander> roxfan, yeah. Exclusive-OR. Bit of a funny way to write it though
[23:34] <roxfan> well, the isa was conceived in 80s or so, i think "xor" wasn't a common abbreviation back then
[23:36] <NCommander> roxfan, x86 is from the 70s and that used xor :-)
[23:36] <NCommander> (actually, I almost want to say 60s on that)
[23:36] <roxfan> yes, but was it common?
[23:37] <roxfan> what was used in 6502, 8051, 68k?
[23:38] <NCommander> roxfan, yes, not sure, yes?
[23:38] <roxfan> hmm interesting
[23:38] <NCommander> er
[23:38] <NCommander> sorry
[23:38] <NCommander> 6502 is EOR
[23:39] <roxfan> ah
[23:39] <roxfan> that could be the reason then
[23:39] <roxfan> first arm was a coprocessor for bbc micro or something
[23:39] <roxfan> and main cpu was 6502
[23:39] <NCommander> ah, anyway, AFK, fire


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[00:09] <jdstrand> Guest79575: there were changes, but not something that you would need to do differently to have it enabled on boot
[00:10] <jdstrand> Guest79575: can you file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ufw/+filebug ?
[00:11] <Guest79575> jdstrand: if I can narrow something down I will file a bug, am trying to reproduce locally with vagrant
[00:11] <jdstrand> ok, thanks
[00:11] <wmp> hello, i very need help with networking
[00:11] <Guest79575> jdstrand: it's wierd and may have to do with EC2 so I don't want to jump to conclusions
[00:11] <wmp> becouse my server is donw
[00:11] <wmp> http://pastebin.com/TPeqPELc - i thying to run this bridge
[00:11] <wmp> serer works good on normal eth0 inet static
[00:12] <wmp> but when i trying make bridge, it down...
[00:12] <jdstrand> Guest79575: I was wondering if the security groups might be interfering (or some other software in the guest)
[00:12] <Guest79575> jdstrand: yea I wondered that as well - but they didn't change in the sequence of events I outlined before
[00:12] <Guest79575> i.e. they always allowed TCP port 22 from anywhere
[00:13]  * jdstrand nods
[00:19] <Guest79575> jdstrand: FWIW I just reproduced the issue locally with vagrant VM
[00:32] <jdstrand> Guest79575: ok. can you file a bug with steps to reproduce?
[00:33] <Guest79575> jdstrand: I'm going to retry with Precise first but if that works then yes
[00:33] <jdstrand> thanks
[01:51] <dustinspringman> server 14.04... when a client disconnects from pptp on the server, cpu spikes to 100% for that task.... any thoughts on how to stop this?
[02:22] <Patrickdk> restart pptp on 100% cpu usage?
[02:22] <Patrickdk> :) not sure, so haven't used pptp for so long
[02:30] <dustinspringman> Patrickdk: all I have to do to remedy the issue is kill the pppd task in top... but whenever a client disconnects.. boom.. 99% load until its kilt
[02:32] <Patrickdk> heh? you said pptp would go 100%
[02:32] <Patrickdk> now it's pppd?
[02:32] <Patrickdk> that sounds easy to fix
[02:33] <dustinspringman> it's pppd in the task list on top.. but it's a pptp server i'm operating.. the client is a pptp client that disconnects and sends pppd into a spiral
[02:33] <Patrickdk> yes, sounds like a pppd problem
[02:34] <Patrickdk> so look for a pppd solution
[02:34] <dustinspringman> been doing that... there's all sorts of random stuff on the web.. logs don't say much..
[02:34] <Patrickdk> what does strace say?
[02:35] <dustinspringman> I've been chasing ghosts through the pptp.conf for a while.. got rid of half the problem.. (it was doing the same thing when users connected, but i disabled the logwtch in pptpd.conf and that went away)..
[02:36] <dustinspringman> hmm.. strace looks interesting... i'll see what it has to offer
[02:37] <dustinspringman> wow, I have no idea how to use this! XD
[02:37] <Patrickdk> you wouldn't :)
[02:37] <Patrickdk> a programmer would
[02:37] <Patrickdk> or atleast someone that understood programming
[02:37] <Patrickdk> but if it's using 100% cpu, it should give a good hint
[02:42] <dustinspringman> uh oh... i've gotten it stuck in some sort of gobbley gook and can't CTRL+C out of it.. XD
[02:43] <Patrickdk> heh?
[02:43] <Patrickdk> control-c should work
[02:43] <Patrickdk> but your terminal is probably screwed up
[02:43] <Patrickdk> after control-c, try typing in reset, and press enter
[02:43] <dustinspringman> }'}"}(}"�}*~~�}#�!}!}-} }4}"}&} } } } }%}&�)}2}=}'}"}(}"�}*~~�}#�!}!}-} }4}"}&} } } } }%}&�)}2}=}'}"}(}"�}*~
[02:43] <dustinspringman> that's all I'm getting.. =/
[02:44] <dustinspringman> every now and again I get this: socket(PF_LOCAL, SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC, 0) = 7
[02:44] <dustinspringman> connect(7, {sa_family=AF_LOCAL, sun_path="/dev/log"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[02:44] <dustinspringman> close(7)                                = 0
[02:44] <dustinspringman> gettimeofday({1409712235, 73661}, NULL) = 0
[02:44] <dustinspringman> fcntl(6, F_SETLKW, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=316, len=1}) = 0
[02:44] <Patrickdk> how exactly did you run strace?
[02:44] <Patrickdk> you didn't strace -p *the pid of the pppd that is using 100% cpu*
[02:45] <dustinspringman> sudo strace pppd
[02:46] <Patrickdk> that is not going work
[02:46] <Patrickdk> that is just running pppd on the console
[02:46] <Patrickdk> that is suppost to happen
[02:46] <dustinspringman> oh,. so, how do I get out of this?
[02:46] <Patrickdk> well, the problem is you need to get out of pppd :)
[02:46] <Patrickdk> probably control-d
[02:47] <dustinspringman> ctrl+d /anything does nothing..
[02:47] <dustinspringman> open another term and kill something?
[02:47] <Patrickdk> control-z ?
[02:47] <Patrickdk> sure :)
[02:47] <Patrickdk> only option now, that I can think of
[02:48] <dustinspringman> hah.. so... now what should I kill!? I don't see strace anywhere... or pppd...
[02:48] <Patrickdk> ps ax
[02:50] <dustinspringman> that got it!
[02:50] <dustinspringman> whew!
[03:12] <pmatulis> dustinspringman: still banging away at it?
[03:13] <dustinspringman> pmatulis: yea man.... I've isolated the issue.. just can't seem to find the smoking gun...
[03:14] <dustinspringman> pmatulis: I got rid of the connection logging that was eating CPU, now I just have the "disconnect of pptp client causes pppd task to spike CPU" issue...
[03:14] <dustinspringman> pmatulis: I've read every thread on the web I can find...
[03:15] <dustinspringman> pmatulis: some talked of "address loops" and such, but I've checked on that, doesn't appear to be the issue... its got to be something in the pptpd.conf file that is trying to "do something" when the pptp connection to a client drops.. .but what that "doing" is, is eluding me..
[03:21] <Patrickdk> what that is, is what strace will show you
[03:21] <Patrickdk> start a connection
[03:21] <Patrickdk> attach strace to it
[03:21] <Patrickdk> then disconnect
[03:22] <Patrickdk> and strace will show you what happens
[03:22] <Patrickdk> then you just have to figure out the cause vs the effect
[03:24] <dustinspringman> Patrickdk: i'll dig into that a bit more and see what I can come up with.. The syntax for strace is cray cray
[03:38] <pmatulis> dustinspringman: 'strace -f -o <output_file.strace> -p <pid of your process>'
[03:38] <Patrickdk> maybe, but probably not needed yet, -s 4096, or so
[03:46] <dustinspringman> pmatulis: Patrickdk: I'll give that a shot in a bit.
[04:06] <pmatulis> dustinspringman: the perf utility will probably help you more in your situation
[04:10] <pmatulis> sudo apt-get install linux-tools-generi; <start your process>; sudo perf record -g -p <pid>; reproduce problem; <stop perf>; sudo perf report -g
[04:10] <pmatulis> linux-tools-generic*
[04:14] <sarnold> pmatulis: ooh. thanks for quick tutorial :)
[04:14] <pmatulis> sarnold: lol
[04:15] <sarnold> pmatulis: no, seriously, "learn about perf" has been on my todo list for bloody ever
[04:15] <sarnold> now I have it up and running and am impressed :)
[04:15] <pmatulis> sarnold: well now you know :)
[04:17] <pmatulis> obviously it generates a default named output file (perf.data) that can be specified with '-o'
[04:18] <pmatulis> there's a lot more but that is the basic stuff.  and i'm no expert
[04:20] <sarnold> pmatulis :D
[04:21] <Patrickdk> haven't heard of or used perf before
[04:21] <Patrickdk> but since I know the kernel, and programming good, strace makes perfect sense to me :)
[04:24] <sarnold> Patrickdk: strace is awesome but there's a lot it misses.. it doesn't show functions inside a program, which can be really helpful, and it doesn't show functions inside the kernel, which can be helpful, and it is a bit .. blunt .. when trying to find program hotspots
[04:25] <Patrickdk> ah ya, it's not a profiler
[04:25] <Patrickdk> it's a hmm, what is the word
[04:26] <Patrickdk> syscall dumper
[04:50] <user123321> Please help, my machine again crashed at 10.10 display time with no response, recovered with ctrl+alt+prtsc+R+I+U+S+B. Kernel log around that time: http://pastebin.com/dkS92jui
[04:51] <sarnold> user123321: anything before that?
[04:52] <Valduare> hi guys i just upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04 and the system is bad….. seems to be issue with perl. I cant install anything complains of perl stuff… looking around there are no files in /usr/lib/perl
[04:52] <Valduare> how can I fix this
[04:52] <user123321> sarnold,  09:05:00 <---- it's the previous one before the first log entry I posted.
[04:52] <user123321> seems one hour before.
[04:53] <sarnold> user123321: wait, is that "ubuntu 10.10" aka "maverick" aka "end of lifed over two years ago"?  Or is that just saying at 10:10 it hung....
[04:54] <sarnold> user123321: ah, okay
[04:54] <user123321> sarnold, Oh I mean, it hanged at 10.10 display time :D
[04:54] <sarnold> user123321: okay, good... I just googled for that memory address you found and people running 10.10 were complaining about it... I got worried that you were two years behind on security updates :)
[04:55] <user123321> oh lol
[04:56] <sarnold> interesting if true https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1350836
[04:58] <user123321> interesting indeed! hmm.
[04:58] <sarnold> and definitely interesting:  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16661  :)
[04:59] <sarnold> uvirtbot: the downside is... the kernel.org bugzilla gives me the feeling that this message is probably unrelated to your actual lockup, or perhaps a symptom of a different underlying problem..
[04:59] <sarnold> sigh you stupid virtbot
[05:00] <user123321> sarnold,  It be same in Ubuntu and LUbuntu right? Because I'm in LUbuntu now.
[05:00] <user123321> It should be*
[05:01] <sarnold> user123321: so, here's a long-shot theory. it's not great. perhaps there's some electrical issue with your NIC; the connection bounced at about the same time, perhaps a lose wire wiggled or the machine moved around slightly causing electrical connections to come and go and wedge the machine
[05:01] <sarnold> user123321: (My dad's dell had this problem, the gigabit card we bought wouldn't work, he's stuck with onboard 100mbit ethernet as a result..)
[05:02] <user123321> sarnold, Oh the ethernet, I restarted my router a while before the crash. That's why eth0 restart is displayed in logs.
[05:02] <sarnold> dang :)
[05:03] <Valduare> how can I install POSIX.pm via command line
[05:03] <sarnold> well, that's probably good. it'd be replace motherboard or something if it were broken..
[05:04] <sarnold> Valduare: could be horrible. try "apt-get install perl-base" and see if you get lucky...
[05:04] <sarnold> user123321: you're probably going to have to try to collect more data next time it happens. have a ps auxw running or use a serial console or something similar...
[05:04] <sarnold> well, you did get the sysrq messages, it was alive enough for that..
[05:04] <Valduare> apt dosnt want to work without perl fully functional
[05:04] <eagles0513875> hey guys is there a way i can see all the apache redirects i have on my system
[05:05] <user123321> sarnold, Yeah, how to get more data? Are there any logs I can check now? :D
[05:05] <sarnold> Valduare: dang. okay, look in /var/cache/apt/archives for perl* debs
[05:05] <Valduare> Can't locate POSIX.pm in @INC
[05:05] <sarnold> user123321: maybe next time it hangs, use sysrq to dump task info and stack traces
[05:06] <Valduare> ya I have the deb in the cache
[05:06] <sarnold> Valduare: sweet; try do dpkg --install the thing
[05:07] <user123321> sarnold, any idea of the exact buttons? https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt <--- this shows a lot I bet
[05:07] <sarnold> user123321: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt
[05:07] <sarnold> hahaha
[05:07] <user123321> lol
[05:07] <sarnold> user123321: l m d w   probably the starting point
[05:09] <Valduare> ah progress
[05:09] <user123321> sarnold, cool
[05:09] <Valduare> sarnold next roadblock Perl API version v5.14.0 of Socket does not match v5.18.0 at /usr/share/perl/5.18/XSLoader.pm line 92.
[05:13] <sarnold> Valduare: dang, that one's harder. Socket.pm from perl-base should report v5.18.0 .. and Socket.pm from e.g. libsocket-perl isn't installed on my laptop, seems unlikely to be the package that you need to upgrade..
[05:14] <Valduare> hmm
[05:16] <sarnold> Valduare: hrm, now that I look into a bit .. why 5.18 and not 5.18.2??
[05:17] <sarnold> Valduare: ... did you say "yes" to CPAN's offer to install a new perl interpreter or something similar? :)
[05:17] <Valduare> havnt used cpan
[05:17] <sarnold> good good, that always drove me up the wall
[05:18] <sarnold> but still, that's the craziest..
[05:18] <Valduare> this is a 12.04 system freshly upgraded to 14.04 if that helps
[05:19] <Valduare> had the grub issue on first boot
[05:19] <Valduare> had to use boot-rescue
[05:21] <sarnold> you may be able to better understand my confusion .. well, eventually .. if you take a look at the publishing history here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/+publishinghistory
[05:21] <sarnold> I just don't see a 5.18 or 5.18.0 package in the list.
[05:25] <Valduare> btw I wonder how the MaaS guys are doing
[05:25] <Valduare> hear of any progress with maas and arm devices?
[05:26] <sarnold> Valduare: hmm, no, I haven't, all my maas use has been x86 (well, virtualized x86 at that..)
[05:26] <ikonia> eagles0513875: look in the config file - that will show you all the redirects
[05:26] <Valduare> ah how does it work for virtualized stuff
[05:26] <ikonia> eagles0513875: the ones that won't be shown are ones that are handled by the application, not the webserver
[05:26] <sarnold> Valduare: they've got #maas -- it might be worth poking your head in if you're curious :)
[05:27] <eagles0513875> you mean the global apache configuration ikonia
[05:27] <sarnold> Valduare: well, it worked well enough for my testing -- it might not be something you'd actually want to -use- of course
[05:27] <Valduare> I have a cobbled together setup here lol
[05:28] <Valduare> freenas box serving iscsi to a gigabyte gae350n mobo with 16 gigis of ram running esxi atm and another host box an old dell optiplex 745 running esxi as well  all with ubuntu vm’s
[05:28] <sarnold> ooh fun :)
[05:29] <sarnold> does the esxi do all the iscsi itself or do your VMs do the iscsi initiating?
[05:30] <Valduare> it handles it
[05:31] <Valduare> vm’s just act like vms if they were on virtualbox even
[05:32] <sarnold> I've heard linux's iscsi target is .. not great. It might be best to have esxi do it :)
[05:34] <Valduare> I am interested in other solutions eventually
[05:34] <Valduare> so far this setup has been fairly thoughtless
[05:34] <Valduare> I use smoothwall 3   as a virtual router
[05:34] <user123321> sarnold, where are the logs from " l m d w" going to save?
[05:35] <Valduare> so make a vm, install smoothwall 3 on there just 128 megs of ram or so. then give it two virtual nics one for the public ip and one for internal traffic
[05:35] <eagles0513875> ikonia: reason i asked that I have round cube installed and something has changed where its redirecting to the main website instead of roundcube login page
[05:35] <eagles0513875> i followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Roundcube
[05:35] <sarnold> user123321: syslog -- you may need to change the "log level" if they don't get saved there..
[05:35] <eagles0513875> to set it up and it worked
[05:36] <user123321> cool
[05:36] <sarnold> Valduare: ha :)
[05:37] <Valduare> then I pile as many vm’s as I want behind each smoothwall router lol
[06:34] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's possible your upgrade to 14.04 and thus apache 2.4 has changed the way it's redirection works
[06:34] <ikonia> eagles0513875: first thing is the redirection apache or the application
[06:34] <eagles0513875> wont be suprised there.
[06:35] <eagles0513875> i think there as well were config issues with round cube after the upgrade im working around them bit by bit
[06:37] <ikonia> is the redirect the webserver or the application ?
[06:42] <eagles0513875> application
[06:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: then it's unlilkley the webserver has anything to do with it
[06:43] <eagles0513875> im looking in htaccess
[06:43] <ikonia> does htaccess do redirects for you ?
[06:51] <eagles0513875> in this case it did ikonia :) now just have to fix imap issue
[07:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:36] <salih-emin> good morning
[07:37] <cfhowlett> lordievader, ehhh, no.  afternoon in Beijing.  How about "greetings!"
[07:37] <lordievader> Hey salih-emin, how are you?
[07:37] <lordievader> cfhowlett: Good afternoon to you then ;) How are you doing?
[07:37] <salih-emin> fine thanks !
[07:37] <cfhowlett> lordievader, no complaints
[07:40] <lordievader> salih-emin, cfhowlett: Good to hear :)
[07:42] <eagles0513875> hey lordievader
[07:42] <eagles0513875> hows it going
[07:46] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Pretty good here ;)
[07:46] <lordievader> How are you eagles0513875 ?
[07:46] <eagles0513875> not bad chugging along getting things donw
[07:46] <eagles0513875> done
[10:42] <user123321> Machine got frozen again during boot with nothing on screen. Kernel log from the start of boot to the emergency restart: http://pastebin.com/A5V8yWjS
[10:42] <user123321> Any ideas? Thanks :)
[10:45] <lordievader> user123321: Run memtest: Corrupted low memory at ffff880000006598 (6598 phys)
[10:46] <user123321> lordievader, shall I just run memtest in terminal?
[10:48] <lordievader> user123321: No, reboot and select memtest from the grub menu.
[10:50] <user123321> Ah ok,
[10:50] <user123321> brb
[10:58] <user123321> lordievader, machine froze two consecutive times when trying recovery mode. I'm back with normal boot now *sigh*
[10:59] <salih-emin> do you have a bootable media ?
[10:59] <salih-emin> you can try memtest from a live media
[11:00] <user123321> salih-emin, I could prepare a bootable media. Just to avoid confusion, is memtest supposed to be used for testing systems that cannot be booted at all? Or can it identify rare crashes that has happened to me? For example, I'm logged in now with the machine.
[11:01] <salih-emin> user123321, memtest is for testing RAM for corruptions (hardware issues)
[11:01] <salih-emin> not the actual OS
[11:02] <user123321> oh I see
[11:02] <user123321> I'd try it sometime, coz I need to prepare a bootable media.
[11:03] <salih-emin> yes if you encounter errors during the memtest you should consider replasing your RAM memory
[11:04] <user123321> salih-emin, But i don't get crashes when I use Windows 7 :|
[11:05] <user123321> not like this fatal :/
[11:10] <Andy80> hi, I'm trying to make mcrypt php extension work on my Ubuntu 14.04. I'm aware of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-mcrypt/+bug/1318021 but even after installing the plugin and checking that is enabled with php5-fpm -m | grep mcrypt still one of my wordpress plugin can't see it. Please not I'm using php5-fpm. Any idea?
[11:10] <lordievader> user123321: It could be that the memory corruption is in a place that Windows does not address quickly.
[11:11] <Andy80> please also note that there is no /etc/php5/conf.d/ directory... there is /etc/php5/fpm/conf.d/
[11:12] <lordievader> user123321: Also, that the machine freezes upon booting the recovery mode is not a good sign.
[11:13] <user123321> lordievader, This link is surprising, and what do you think about its response?: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=163440
[11:13] <user123321> He has the same laptop as mine, DV6
[11:14] <lordievader> user123321: Ewaller probably knows what he is talking about ;)
[11:15] <user123321> haha
[12:19] <caribou> jamespage: has anything (i.e. SRU like) has been planned to take charm fixes from ./next into the existing stable release ?
[12:20] <caribou> jamespage: your document states the reason why it should be done, then stops there
[12:22] <jamespage> caribou, nope - each fix would be assessed on a requirement and impact basis via a bug
[12:22] <jamespage> if you have fixes you want to see in the stable charms, they feel free to nominate stuff
[12:22] <caribou> jamespage: what if the fix is already coming from a bug ?
[12:23] <jamespage> caribou, not sure I understand your question then
[12:23] <caribou> jamespage: I'm thinking of the known_hosts/authorized_keys fix I did for nova-cloud-controller/nova-compute charms
[12:23] <jamespage> caribou, the change needs to be merged into /next and then proposed/merged into the trunk branch
[12:23] <caribou> jamespage: this fix is already into ./next (nova_cc one)
[12:23] <jamespage> ok
[12:24] <caribou> jamespage: TL;DR : what do I need to do to get those fixes which are in ./next in the official charm :-)
[12:25] <jamespage> caribou, cherry pick the commit from the next branch into the stable branch and propose it
[12:25] <caribou> jamespage: k
[12:28] <abhishek> how can i scan new hard-drive without rebooting ?
[12:28] <ikonia> abhishek: did it get detected as a udev event ?
[12:29] <abhishek> udev event ? u r talking about udev at startup
[12:29] <ikonia> udev will create the device node used to access it
[12:29] <ikonia> if you don't see a udev event (eg: your hardware does not support hot plug) you can't access it
[12:30] <ikonia> you could try triggering udev, but it's unlikley to do anything if you don't have hotplug support
[12:30] <abhishek> how can i do this ?
[12:30] <ikonia> does your hardware have hotplug support ?
[12:31] <abhishek> may be I don't know ? I just created a lun in storage want to add in ubuntu-serrver
[12:31] <abhishek> I cant reboot this server this time
[12:31] <ikonia> lun in storage ?
[12:31] <ikonia> so this is a fibre array ?
[12:32] <abhishek> yes
[12:32] <ikonia> ok, you need to walk the fibre
[12:32] <ikonia> and it shoul trigger a udev event
[12:32] <dasjoe> abhishek: find out how many scsi hosts your system has, then something like this: for x in $(seq 0 7); do echo "- - - " > /sys/class/scsi_host/host$x/scan; done
[12:32] <ikonia> you send a "1" to an option in proc
[12:33] <abhishek> let me try this
[12:34] <abhishek> I have four scsci host
[12:34] <abhishek> this works thank u dasjoe and ikonia :)
[12:34] <abhishek> thank u very much
[13:18] <caribou> sorry for the dumb question, but where do the stable openstack charms live (for precise) these days ?
[13:18] <caribou> I used to pick them at lp:charms/{nova-cloud-controller|nova-compute} a while back
[13:24] <jrwren> how do I use uvt-kvm to test utopic? uvt-simplestreams-libvirt query release=utopic returns nothing
[13:26] <jamespage> caribou, either lp:charms/<charm-name> or lp:charms/trusty/<charm-name>
[13:26] <jamespage> we keep the branche sin sync
[13:26] <caribou> jamespage: good, those are the ones I was expecting
[13:26] <caribou> jamespage: thanks
[13:29] <rbasak> jrwren: uvt-simplestreams-libvirt sync --source http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily release=utopic arch=amd64
[13:29] <rbasak> jrwren: daily images don't get published in the released streams, except for alpha/beta etc.
[13:29] <jrwren> thanks rbasak
[13:59] <zul> hallyn: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/libvirt/
[14:06] <hallyn> zul: ok, will get to that today
[14:06] <zul> hallyn: ack
[14:45] <user123321> sorry my internet was reset, did anyone say anything related to my system crash after I logged out?
[15:25] <Guest47177> jdstrand: I was here asking about UFW changes between Precise and Trusty: turns out it was not related to firewall at all.  two other issues conspired to make us think thep problem was firewall related
[15:25] <Guest47177> first issue: we were rebooting like this: reboot now
[15:25] <Guest47177> second issue: NFS mount was hanging boot
[15:26] <Guest47177> this explains our first issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/483670/what-causes-ssh-problems-after-rebooting-a-14-04-server
[15:26] <user123321> Is upgrading the linux kernel to a newer version than the official ubuntu released advisable?
[15:26] <user123321> release*
[15:27] <jdstrand> Guest47177: oh, interesting
[15:27] <lordievader> user123321: No.
[15:27] <Guest47177> so the machines weren't actually rebooting, and when we rebooted them via the EC2 console they'd hang on boot waiting for NFS mount
[15:27] <jdstrand> ah
[15:27] <cfhowlett> user123321, for the vast majority - inadvisable. BUT if you have the expertise ....
[15:27] <jdstrand> very interesting
[15:28] <jdstrand> Guest47177: thanks for the update! :)
[15:28] <Guest47177> yep, didn't want to let that hang out there w/o explanation
[15:28] <user123321> Oh ok, because I got an advice from #linux to upgrade the kernel to check if it might solve my crash issues :D (crashes that result from possibly firmware bugs in my DV6 laptop)
[15:30] <lordievader> user123321: Have you already checked the memory?
[15:31] <user123321> lordievader, no bootable media yet :/
[15:31] <lordievader> user123321: Check that first. A new kernel will not fix hardware issues.
[15:32] <user123321> Oh, I thought a new kernel could "ignore" hardware issues ;)
[15:32] <user123321> like Windows does. :|
[17:53] <bananapie> if I type 'cat /dev/zero > /dev/null & ' in bash, how many file descriptors did I just open ?
[17:53] <bananapie> it seems to me it would open 5, stdin, stdout, stderr as well as /dev/zero and /dev/null
[17:54] <sarnold> bananapie: iirc bash hands out more filedescriptors to processes; best check /proc/pid/fd/
[17:54] <bananapie> So, if I do a while [ true ] ; loop with the above code, I should get errors about to many processes open pretty quickly ?
[17:57] <sarnold> bananapie: check ulimit -a to see your limits; my max user processes limit is 125759 -- enough to make the system mighty unhappy
[17:58] <bananapie> ulimit -a says 1024, but I have a  process open with 1500 descriptors. it's not getting any errors.
[17:58] <bananapie> It's running as root, is it possible that root is not ulimited ?
[17:59] <sarnold> bananapie: the nproc limit is applied per-user... the filedescriptor limit is applied per-process. none of your processes will have more than a handful of descriptors open.
[18:00] <bananapie> ok
[18:00] <bananapie> is a process and a thread different ?
[18:00] <sarnold> and yeah root isn't subject to the rlimits in the first place -- that's CAP_SYS_ADMIN and CAP_SYS_RESOURCE
[18:01] <sarnold> bananapie: that's complicated :)
[18:01] <bananapie> :P
[18:01] <bananapie> ok. But if a process is running as root, it can open 10,000 files and ulimit doesn't care. Only the sysctl file limit right ?
[18:02] <sarnold> cap_sys_admin means even /proc/sys/fs/file-max can be ignored
[18:03] <bananapie> Cool.
[18:03] <bananapie> also, brb. I have to go uncrash a server
[18:03] <sarnold> happy uncrashing :)
[18:05] <bananapie> I think I'll just reboot it. The servers is on it's knees right now. I looped 1000 times only. It's not a very powerful machine.
[18:06] <sarnold> hahahaha
[18:06] <sarnold> good luck with the reboot :)
[18:11] <bananapie> pkill cat :)


[13:56] <Celine> Hello. I' m a pro-tester. I've installed Lubuntu 14.10 and want to test as a volunteer what hasn't been tested. Where should I give a sign?
[14:49] <elfy> Celine: hi there
[14:50] <elfy> I'm not sure what testing Lubuntu are up to specifically, but generally you'd find them on the package and image trackers
[14:50] <elfy> image testing is here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds
[14:51] <elfy> package testing here http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/316/builds/67145/testcases
[17:16] <Celine> elfy: Thank Yuu.
[17:18] <Celine> elfy: But where can i find already submitted bugs for them, so I will not notice about discovered ones?
[17:19] <elfy> submitted bugs - that are discovered while testing *should* be in the tracker - but there are no guarantee's that people do that
[17:21] <Celine> elfy: But I don't see any submited bugs. Do I need to be logged to see them?
[17:21] <elfy> possible
[17:21] <elfy> do you see bugs here? http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/316/builds/67147/testcases
[17:22] <elfy> oh - looking at the lubuntu packages - there's been no testing done
[17:23] <elfy> and there has been 1 image test for lubuntu - only bug reported there https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/1308348
[17:23] <Celine> elfy: Thank You for now. I'lle watch tutorial by Nicholas Skaggs.
[17:24] <elfy> Celine: it's really quite early in the cycle - I've not called for any testing yet for Xubuntu
[17:25] <elfy> Celine: juts so you know - it's usually quite quiet in this channel over the weekend
[17:25] <Celine> elfy: Good to know :) I do tests as a volunteer during weekends :)
[17:26] <elfy> I don't know very much about lubuntu testing to be honest - if I'm about I'll help with generic issues
[17:30] <Celine> elfy: Like You said - for this moment Lubuntu is not even listed in TestDrive.
[17:31] <Celine> elfy: Sorry. It is.
[17:31] <elfy> I'd not know about testdrive - I prefer to set my own vm's up


[01:23] <rickspencer3> hi all
[01:23] <rickspencer3> if I had some time this weekend to do a bit of writing, would there be anything useful that I could write for 11.04 desktop documentation?
[02:11] <jbicha> rickspencer3: hi
[02:11] <rickspencer3> hi jbicha
[02:13] <jbicha> rickspencer3: We still need more content written to explain how to use Unity, have you used Mallard before?
[02:13] <rickspencer3> jbicha, yeah, I've written in that format, if that's what you mean
[02:13] <rickspencer3> for Quickly docs
[02:13] <rickspencer3> I just write the XML tags in Gedit
[02:13] <rickspencer3> pretty crude, but that's how I do it ;)
[02:14] <jbicha> oh ok, I think most of us use Gedit
[02:14] <rickspencer3> :)
[02:14] <rickspencer3> jbicha, is there like a list of topics where i can pick a couple to work on?
[02:15] <rickspencer3> whatever will hlep out
[02:16] <jbicha> j1mc who has been leading this sprint posted this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2011-April/015535.html
[02:16]  * rickspencer3 looks
[02:17] <jbicha> or you could check out our latest source from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/natty and convert some of the Gnome Shell stuff over to Unity
[02:17] <rickspencer3> jbicha, cool stuff
[02:18] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll check it out tomorrow and see if there's somewhere I can help out
[02:18] <jbicha> so either writing new pages from scratch or tweaking the existing stuff would be a big help
[02:18] <jbicha> rickspencer3: thanks for stopping by!
[02:18] <rickspencer3> jbicha, thank *you*
[02:19] <rickspencer3> jbicha, I'll check this out tomorrow, but I'll probably stop back in before I start actually working on anything
[14:07]  * issyl0 just committed some changes to https://code.launchpad.net/~issyl0/ubuntu-docs/issyl0 - I thought that was the easiest way of doing things (i.e. finding my feet in the project), as I don't have commit access to the main branch.
[18:02] <rickspencer3> jbicha, hi
[18:02] <rickspencer3> looking at the branch yesterday, it appeared that if I wrote something along the lines of:
[18:03] <rickspencer3> 1. this is the dash, this is how it works
[18:03] <rickspencer3> 2. this is the launcher, this is how it works
[18:03] <rickspencer3> etc...
[18:03] <rickspencer3> that would be helpful
[18:03] <rickspencer3> however, I'm not 100% certain this hasn't been done, I suspect maybe I just didn't see it?
[23:48] <jbicha> rickspencer3: hi, are you still there? I was offline for a few hours
[23:48] <rickspencer3> hi jbicha
[23:48] <rickspencer3> I was just about to leave, actually
[23:48] <rickspencer3> :)
[23:48] <rickspencer3> so, shall I writet an overview?
[23:49] <rickspencer3> I could probably knock that out tomorrow
[23:49] <jbicha> yes, unity-introduction is what we have so far but I don't believe anyone is working on it atm
[23:50] <rickspencer3> jbicha, ok, I'll write an overview of the places, launcher, and multiple desktops
[23:50] <rickspencer3> what you do with them, and how you do it
[23:50] <rickspencer3> if nothing else, it could be fodder that could be carved up for other topics if I do it wrong
[23:51] <jbicha> yes, that would be a big help as we're especially lacking on the Unity-specific overview topics
[23:55] <rickspencer3> ok
[23:56] <rickspencer3> I'll go for it this weekend and ping you all back when I'm done
[23:56] <rickspencer3> thanks jbicha


[22:24] <ScottL> persia, are you around?
[22:40] <rlameiro> hey andyzweb
[22:41] <jussi> o/
[22:41] <jussi> ScottL: ping
[22:42] <andyzweb> hello rlameiro
[22:42] <rlameiro> welcome :D
[22:43] <andyzweb> rlameiro: so what kind of help does the project need.
[22:44] <rlameiro> well
[22:44] <rlameiro> testing
[22:44] <rlameiro> artwork
[22:44] <rlameiro> scripting
[22:44] <rlameiro> testing
[22:44] <rlameiro> testing
[22:44] <rlameiro> :D
[22:44] <rlameiro> bug fixing
[22:44] <rlameiro> ScottL: wake up :D
[22:45] <rlameiro> what would you like to do?
[22:45] <rlameiro> ohhh
[22:45] <rlameiro> packaging
[22:45] <rlameiro> also
[22:45] <jussi> andyzweb: probably bes to hang out here for a bit, until the other packagers etc wake up. then people can let you know wats really needed.
[22:45] <andyzweb> lol, packaging and testing, I am just starting to learn how to make my own .deb packages.
[22:46] <jussi> and rlameiro, please dont abuse the enter key ;)
[22:46] <rlameiro> jussi: sorry, i know, its bad habit :D
[22:48] <ScottL> jussi, pong
[22:48] <andyzweb> do you have a mailing-list?
[22:48] <jussi> andyzweb: yes, we do
[22:49] <jussi> andyzweb: look on lists.ubuntu.com
[22:49] <rlameiro> andyzweb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio
[22:49] <ScottL> hello andyzweb
[22:49] <andyzweb> found it
[22:49] <rlameiro> you have here most of the links for mailing list and dev matters
[22:49] <jussi> ScottL: thought maybe you could take care of this little lost lamb we found and captured :P
[22:51] <andyzweb> Hello ScottL
[22:53] <ScottL> andyzweb, have you worked with the studio devs before?
[22:53] <andyzweb> ScottL: Nope have no clue who they are :P
[22:57]  * ScottL is helping the wife make dinner
[22:57] <rlameiro> andyzweb: dont worry, sometimes it takes time to answer, most of the people have families and other things to do, so sometimes takes time
[22:58] <rlameiro> lol
[22:58] <ScottL> good andyzweb, then don't believe anything anyone else has told you about us then :P
[22:58] <andyzweb> LOL
[23:01] <astraljava> Yeah, we might be creepy, but that's just the first impression.
[23:02] <ScottL> but we are glad to have you help us andyzweb
[23:02] <andyzweb> I don't trust any dev team that isn't creepy
[23:03] <ScottL> hopefully we'll have a meeting pretty soon and work up a plan
[23:03] <ScottL> rlameiro, i'm really hoping that you, stochastic, and i can research the uni audio labs and see if we can develop something to fill their needs
[23:04] <ScottL> that would be a crazy, big group of users (and possible testers and future devs) :)
[23:05] <rlameiro> yeah
[23:05] <rlameiro> If i get accepted on PhD i could try to enforce it
[23:05] <ScottL> but that probably will not see fruition during maverick, my guess is that we will be lucky to develop a full plan during maverick
[23:05] <ScottL> rlameiro, hah, that would be awesome ;)
[23:05] <rlameiro> but musicians arent programmers
[23:05] <rlameiro> at least they can hunt bugs :D
[23:06] <andyzweb> musicians won't like bugs :( but students... well they have no feelings :P
[23:06] <ScottL> true, but i think many people drawn to ubuntu studio did not start out as programmers either though
[23:06] <astraljava> That's bollocks, I know many musicians who program for their living.
[23:06] <jussi> me also
[23:07] <jussi> heya astraljava!
[23:07] <astraljava> Howdy ho.
[23:07] <rlameiro> well, musicians studion music
[23:07] <rlameiro> not programmers that play
[23:07] <jussi> I cant sleep...
[23:07] <rlameiro> jussi: drink hot milk
[23:08] <jussi> I think I might go grab a chot of that random finnish alcohol...
[23:08] <jussi> I dont remember the name, but kinda similar to whiskey...
[23:09] <jussi> astraljava: halp me?
[23:09] <astraljava> Jaloviina?
[23:09] <ScottL> jussi, do you play an instrument?
[23:09] <ScottL> or do you do electronic music?
[23:09] <jussi> astraljava: yes, that one :D
[23:09] <jussi> ScottL: neither
[23:10] <ScottL> oh, i thought you meant that you played and programmed when you said "me also", sorry 'bout that
[23:10] <jussi> weall actually, I kinda hit the guitar on occaision, but it doesnt sound like music
[23:10] <ScottL> heh ;)
[23:10] <jussi> an I have a harmonica... but again... the music is questionable...
[23:12] <jussi> astraljava: are there shops open tomorrow that you know of?
[23:12] <astraljava> jussi: Smaller ones should be, yes.
[23:13] <jussi> astraljava: ahh that sucks... so its not yet "summer" then...
[23:13]  * jussi cant wait to get to the elisa shopit store...
[23:13] <astraljava> jussi: Wel the law changed a while back, so you might be lucky.
[23:13] <andyzweb> now do most of you use the AMD64 version or the i386 version?
[23:14] <jussi> andyzweb: I dont use ubuntu studio :P
[23:14] <rlameiro> i use i386
[23:14] <astraljava> Ahh, doubt that an Elisa shopit store will be open, though.
[23:14] <rlameiro> and test the AMD64 ISOs :D
[23:14] <jussi> astraljava: Im getting a milestone from saunalahti :D
[23:15] <astraljava> jussi: Yeah?
[23:15] <jussi> cant wait, just hope they have them instore on monday
[23:17] <astraljava> jussi: What's that?
[23:17] <jussi> astraljava: http://saunalahti.fi/puhelimet/puhelin.php?id=411&type=handsetmodel
[23:21] <jussi> feck... maybe they arent available... it says "lisää tulossa" :(
[23:21] <jussi> meh, gonna try sleep now
[23:22] <astraljava> Nothing's coming up from that link...
[23:22] <astraljava> Good night!
[23:23] <jussi> astraljava: oh, anyway, motorola milestone, android phone
[23:23] <astraljava> Oh okay, cool.


[00:33] <sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: you might wanna try some of the free software drum sequencers, they're really great these days :)'
[00:34] <DirtyEar> Hi.
 You should try Hydrogen, it works great and you can find some cool kits online.
[00:34] <DirtyEar> I have tried Drumgizmo, but Is not what I am looking for
 And it's also already in Ubuntu Studio.
[00:35] <sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: using WINE to record windows drum simulators might turn into a bigger headache than you would ever want... trust me :) You'll save time by learning one of the ones native to ubuntu studio in the long-run
[00:35] <sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: yeah, if drumgizmo isn't to your liking, hydrogen is your best bet, or just use the internal MIDI-drumkid in ardour
[00:35] <DirtyEar> I have installed AddictiveDrums through wine, but I cannot install Festige, do you know something I can use?
[00:36] <DirtyEar> I did not know about internal MIDI-drumkit in ardour??
[00:36] <DirtyEar> How can I use it?
[00:37] <sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: I hate to say this mate, but you just have to read the manual on ardour.org, it's well laid-out and doesn't take much time to handle
[00:37] <sirriffsalothp> I know it sucks having to re-learn stuff, but in the long run you'll be so glad you did, because using VST's and WINE for recording has been a nightmare in my experience
[00:37] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> well i can't use ubuntustudio 19.10 u.u so.. i come back to 19.04
[00:38] <sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: this is a tune I did a while back with all hydrogen drums, for example: https://soundcloud.com/user-740866226/a-vibratory-petition-an-ode-to-jordan-peterson
[00:38] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> a little sad :c
[00:38] <sirriffsalothp> studiobot: is it really that important a difference? :)
[00:39] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> I couldn't even prove it
[00:39] <sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: oh and yeah, I recommend that you fetch falktx's kxstudio repositories, they're great for further awesome-sounding recording and mixing
[00:39] <sirriffsalothp> studiobot: you're just a "new-slut" when it comes to software, then? :D
[00:41] <DirtyEar> sirriffsalothp Your song sounds really good, but I am looking something more realistic.
[00:41] <sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: yeah to be honest I was lazy, you CAN make it sound even better :P
[00:41] <sirriffsalothp> But if you're looking for that "timbre" realism, drumgizmo is your best bet, I met that dude, and he recorded every single layer himself with a lot of thought behind it
 @DirtyEar [<DirtyEar> sirriffsalothp Your song sounds really good, but I am looking somethi …], You could always get dedicated hardware as well. Great equipment for cheap.
[00:42] <DirtyEar> I have tried Hidrogen and drumgizmo but in ubuntuStudio 16 I used to use Festige to open Addictive drums, but I cannot doing this time
[00:43] <DirtyEar> I cannot install festige and I am looking for some way to open addictive drums
[00:43] <sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: like I told you, it gets you trouble sooner or later :P But if you just wanna try and fix it and stick to where you're at, join #kxstudio and ask falktx what's happened with festige since 18.04 or whatever
 You can get different sounds with different kits https://recursosinhumanos.bandcamp.com/releases
 All of the songs were recorded with Hydrogen
[00:44] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> literally in live mode just start screen "ubuntu studio 19.10" and later asks me to disconnect the usb and press enter to turn off 😭
[00:45] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> what is the difference between 19.04 ans 19.10?
[00:45] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> obs by default? blender 2.80?
[00:45] <sirriffsalothp> studiobot: yeah sorry but those drums sound even less real :D Still cool tracks though, headbobbing to them now
[00:46] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> @sirriffsalothp [<sirriffsalothp> DirtyEar: this is a tune I did a while back with all hydrogen d …], so cool!
[00:48] <sirriffsalothp> Dude, Per Ardua Ad Astra could me a monstrously good orchestral movie-scene track...
[00:49] <sirriffsalothp> I'm picturing dragons or flying and mid-air fights of some kind, you feeling me?
[00:50] <sirriffsalothp> Exchanging between ground and air, kinda like in final fantasy, but more slow in its cuts and exchanges, you know?! Damn it's cool
[00:50] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> i feel a little frustrated that i decided to upgrade from 19.04 but the installation was lost and i had to reinstall
 Thanks dude, composing for TV and movies is a long term goal for me so it's nice to know you got that feeling from the music!
[00:53] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> (Sticker, 512x512) http://studiobot.ericheickmeyer.com:9090/shquPOUW/file_71.webp
[00:53] <sirriffsalothp> studiobot: no kidding?   Not sure what's happening on my machine, but I've had a working Ubuntu Studio setup with Bitwig Studio 3, and as of today, I'm randomly no longer able to connect to jack.  Getting the following errors
[00:57] <dehuszar> Cannot initialize driverJackServer::Open failed with -1Failed to open server20:56:18.044 JACK was stopped20:56:20.060 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info.Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directoryCannot connect to
[00:57] <dehuszar> server request channeljack server is not running or cannot be startedJackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Init not done for -1, skipping unlockJackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Init not done for -1, skipping unlock
[00:57] <dehuszar> Cannot initialize driverJackServer::Open failed with -1Failed to open server20:56:18.044 JACK was stopped20:56:20.060 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info.Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directoryCannot connect to
[00:57] <dehuszar> server request channeljack server is not running or cannot be startedJackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Init not done for -1, skipping unlockJackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Init not done for -1, skipping unlock
[00:57] <sirriffsalothp> dehuszar: might wanna paste those in pastebin or something mate :) No ideas here though, sorry
[00:58] <dehuszar> I'm considering running an update to Ubuntu 19.10 and thus the Ubuntu Studio release, but I'm always a little nervous about doing that sort thign
[00:58] <dehuszar> I'm considering running an update to Ubuntu 19.10 and thus the Ubuntu Studio release, but I'm always a little nervous about doing that sort thing
[00:58] <sirriffsalothp> dehuszar: backup your files, and give that a try, if you still have problems, wipe the disk and install a fresh 19.04 see if it works :)
[00:59] <sirriffsalothp> dehuszar: better still, try running a 19.04 on a live usb stick, see if it works there first
 @sirriffsalothp [<sirriffsalothp> studiobot: how old are you, dude?], I'm 28, I'm on second year of a music major, that's why it's long term lol
[02:18] <sirriffsalothp> studiobot: aha
[02:18] <sirriffsalothp> studiobot: wish you the best of luck :)
[02:19] <GayKitten> Hey anyone know and I hope this isn't a noob question how to install brave
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: studiobot is more than one person, it's the Telegram <-> IRC bridge.
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> GayKitten: Since brave isn't part of the Ubuntu repositories, no help here. Sorry.
[02:21] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: lol I was wondering why I saw so many different names linked from it... how does that work? Never seen it before
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: It's a bot that runs inside the Telegram group and the IRC channel simultaneously on a server.
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: That said, this is a support channel and not the right place for such discussion.
[02:22] <Eickmeyer> sirriffsalothp: Look up TeleIRC.
 I finally have some free time. I am having problems with Ardour recording. I'm not sure if it's Ardour related or Jack related. Thing is I get a lot of xruns, the sound stops (the xrun I suppose) and then continues. Also sometimes it just won't stop recording I press stop but it just keeps going, it's like it's simply not responding.
[02:47] <studiobot> I have to kill Ardour and restart.
 Jack Messages/Status  … https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GmZpcJmGFF/
[02:54] <sirriffsalothp> Eickmeyer: thanks mate
[03:06] <DirtyEar> Hi. I have UbuntuStudio 19.10 on my pc. I want to run VST plugins through Festige or Carla, Is there any idea of how to do it?
[14:38] <Lootre> Hi everybody, I have a question regarding Carla and SFZ soundfonts
[14:39] <Lootre> I have a fresh install of Ubuntu Studion 19.10, but it seems like there is no backend for SFZ
[14:40] <Lootre> I get this error when trying to load SFZ: ad_open(): fatal: no decoder backend available
[14:59] <Eickmeyer> Lootre: I saw your bug report on Carla's github. I'm working with the upstream developer to see what gives since what we provide is completely unpatched from what he created, so please bear with us.
[15:03] <Eickmeyer> Lootre: Looks like I had made a mistake with the build dependencies, I"ll have a fix done by the end of the day (8:03am my time here).
[15:23] <Lootre> Eickmeyer thank you very much for your answer !
[15:24] <Lootre> Eickmeyer 5:24pm here, so I guess I'll get your fix tomorrow !
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> Lootre: Since it requires a Stable Release Update to get into 19.10, it might take a week actually. Sorry for the inconvenience.
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> Lootre: I should at least have something downloadable though.
[15:27] <Lootre> Eickmeyer that would be great
[15:53] <DirtyEar> Hi. I just installed UbuntuStudio 19.10 and I want to work with some vst plugins but I do not know how to. I had UbuntuStudio 16 and I worked with Festige but now I cannot installed. I have tried with Carla but it does not run any plugin. Any advice?
[15:53] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: The carla wine bridge is a separate install and requires the experimental parts to be installed.
[15:54] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Hi. Thanks for answer. Do you know how can I do that?
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: open a terminal, "sudo apt search carla" and make sure all components are installed.
[15:55] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: I'm only going to point you in the right direction, I'm not going to completely walk you through this process.
[15:55] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Also, make sure your VST plugins are in the regualar VST plugin paths.
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Also, if you are using anything that requires soundfonts, that will not work currently as I'm working on a bugfix for that.
[15:56] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: I already installed the plugin and I add the path in Carla. Is it right?
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Yes, but unless you have the wine bridge installed (every component listed in "sudo apt search carla") it will not work.
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> You'll also have to scan.
[15:57] <Eickmeyer> And PLEASE do not use IRC as your only method of support. Right now, I'm assuming your need is relatively urgent.
[15:58] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: This is what I get.
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> !paste | DirtyEar
[15:59] <OvenWerks> Instead of using a wine bridge is there any reason not to just do the project in windows?
[16:00] <OvenWerks> If there is a significant investment in windows plugins, I would suggest sticking with that platform.
[16:01] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: ^^
[16:02] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Thanks for your support. I have a HomeStudio and I hace some works to finish. My old pc was broken and I have to setup quickly my PC in order to keep working. I ask for some money to my bank ir order to buy a new PC and last week I could buy the new one and I have work for a week in order to put everything right, but I use Additive Drums
[16:02] <DirtyEar> for the bands to play drums and in my old pc I play it with festige now I have try Drumgizmo and Hidrogen but It does not sound very good, for that reason I want to run Additive Drums but I cannot do it. I really appreciate the help you give me and the patience to guide me through the process
[16:03] <DirtyEar> THis is what I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YdgXwZ2PqY/
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: you're using KXstudio.
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> !kxstudio | DirtyEar
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Your support here is discontinued.
[16:05] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: UbuntuStudio 19.10
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Once you add KXStudio's repos, you're no longer using Ubuntu Studio or its packages.
[16:06] <Eickmeyer> Which you have clearly done.
[16:06] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Thansk. I did not now that.
[16:07] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: We have posted items in the past. Please seek support in #kxstudio. Thank you.
[16:08] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: I will do. Thanks.
[16:09] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Mention you are using the KXStudio repos.
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: The reason is because we have to draw the line. We can't support packages we don't directly maintain, and since we don't maintain the verison of Carla in KXStudio, we can't help you.
[16:13] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Is there to much difference between UbuntuStudio and KXStudio?
[16:13] <DirtyEar> I always have installed UbuntuStudio
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Doesn't matter, once you are using the KXStudio repos, it overrides our default packages and you no longer have the Ubuntu versions, therefore no longer Ubuntu Studio. We cannot and will not support that.
[16:16] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: have you tried AVLdrums? http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums
[16:17] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Ok. My excuses, I really like UbuntuStudio and I do not want to bother you because you do and excellent work.
[16:18] <DirtyEar> Is there any way to come back with UbuntuStudio 19.10?
[16:18] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: No, I will see and then I will let you now. Thanks!
[16:21] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: It looks really good. I have used Drumgizmo but It uses a lot or RAM, is it the same to AVLDrums?  The packages you have installed as a result of adding the KXStudio repo supercedes everything and it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to remove the repo since the process that is used is non-standard.
[16:33] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: That means I have to reinstalled ubuntuStudio. I will do.
[16:35] <DirtyEar> I am thinking the best option for me right now is AVLDrums. I may used it on UbuntuStudio, right?
[16:36] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Absolutely. The x42 plugins are amazing.
[16:38] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Thanks a lot for your time and patience to help me. May I ask you for some advice after I installed UbuntuStudio 19.10. Again?
[16:38] <OvenWerks> AVLDrums should be much lighter than drumgizmo
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Absolutely. I, as well as OvenWerks, are glad to help, but remember we're just volunteering our time like everyone else.
[16:39] <OvenWerks> the newest drumgizmo which may not be in debian yet plays dirrect from disk and so needs a lot less memory
[16:41] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: I now. For that reason is what I am very grateful with you. Always some of you give some time to help me.  Thanks a lot. My english is not good but you always help
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> You're quite welcome, DirtyEar.
[16:43] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: I am thinking is my best option right now.
[16:44] <DirtyEar> I have some projects I recorded with Addictive Drums in UbuntuStudio 16 with Ardour 5. Is there any problem to open and try to work not with Addictive Drums but AVLDrums?
[16:46] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Might be a better question for you. ^ As far as I know, 16.04 had an older version of Ardour.
[16:47] <DirtyEar> I was using UbuntuStudio 16 and Ardour 5.0.12 or something like that. Is it wrong?
[16:47] <OvenWerks> the changes from Ardour 5.0 to 5.12 should be mostly bug fixes and the session file format should be the same.
[16:47] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm | DirtyEar
[16:49] <OvenWerks> 16.04 came with Ardou 4.6 but there was a 5.0 version available for it too.
[16:49] <OvenWerks> I do not remember what 15.10 came with
[16:49] <OvenWerks> sorry 16.10
[16:50] <OvenWerks> (it's a dark day out and my KB is harder to see :P
[16:51] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: The struggle is real.
[16:51] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer Last time I used UbuntuStudio with Ardour and Festige was 2 weeks back.
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Yeah, but 16.04 is past End-Of-Life (support ended in April)
[16:53] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Ok. I did not now it.
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: It was posted on ubuntustudio.org. That's where all of the release announcements and EOL announcements go.
[16:53] <DirtyEar> May I share with you my pc in order to get a feedback for some extra configurations?
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> No, we don't do that for a number of reasons.
[16:56] <DirtyEar> Ok. Does does not matter.
[16:56] <DirtyEar> Thanks to all the support and the patience. I really appreciate this Linux Community
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> Quite welcome.
[16:57] <DirtyEar> Thanks a lot!
[17:00] <OerHeks> No thanks, write some pretty music please
[17:24] <CJS> Anyone here using Studio on a ThinkPad X1 Extreme?
[17:28] <CJS> Oh, nobody is here. Bummer.
[17:30] <OvenWerks> 4 minutes Cool
[17:32] <OerHeks> add topic: post some music creation before asking help, thanks
 @OvenWerks [<OvenWerks> 4 minutes Cool], Savage
[17:47] <DirtyEar> Is there any way to install all x42-plugins in one line?
[18:54] <DirtyEar> Hi. I have been trying to install AVLDrums but it does not work. Any advice?
[18:57] <tomreyn> "it does not work" is number #1 on the looong list of not so useful error descriptions
[18:59] <DirtyEar> tomreyn I already download the files and extract the files in a folder in /home/ but I cannot see the plguin in ardour or Carla
[19:01] <tomreyn> i'm afraid i know nothing at all about it, but this extra info will aid others in supporting you.
[19:06] <tomreyn> hmm according to documentation i can find you're supposed to place the downloaded files (without extra subdirectories) in ~/.lv2 and then Ardour and Carla should be able to discover them there through the LV2 plugin interface.
[19:07] <tomreyn> I suspect you may need to restart these applications, or at least make their LV2 interface update their list of available plugins.
[19:11] <tomreyn> you may need to set the LV2_PATH environment variable to point to ~/.lv2 to make ardour find those plugins.
[19:12] <tomreyn> DirtyEar: ^
[19:13] <DirtyEar> I already add the path, but It does not fix the situation