[00:00] <crdlb> Ienorand: err, you're saying a+p+k is a userspace X shortcut? not just magic sysrq?
[00:00] <joshjtl> there has got to be a simple sound recorder for KDE 4... !
[00:01] <rww> @noxsp
[00:01] <rww> !nozap
[00:01] <BUGabundo>  !dontzap
[00:01] <rww> there we go
[00:01] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:01] <BUGabundo> sleepy?
[00:01] <rww> yeah
[00:01] <Ienorand> crdlb: Yes, from what I've understood it's separate from the SysRq combinations...
[00:04] <crdlb> Ienorand: hmm, well it _is_ a magic sysrq combination (kill whatever is on the current VT)
[00:04] <crdlb> I guess it could be in both for cases where magic sysrq isn't available though
[00:05] <themiddleman> well, it's not there again
[00:07] <Ienorand> Heh, tried that without pressing the final K, not the best idea: http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshoty.png
[00:09] <eseven73> BUGabundo, ok I think I got it its atop -w filename -a [seconds] [intervals]     (Then in the /var/log do atop -r filename -b [time you want shown like 16:45]  :D
[00:10] <BUGabundo> what do you guys think of bug 354844 ?
[00:10] <eseven73> BUGabundo, read up one :D
[00:11] <themiddleman> what package is the gui installer?
[00:12] <themiddleman> (for filing a bug on launchpad)
[00:13] <rww> themiddleman: ubiquity, I think
[00:14] <crdlb> that's hard word to type (mechanically)
[00:14] <gundam_rx78nt1> Does anybody know which is a dependable mirror to use?
[00:14] <gundam_rx78nt1> US or otherwise?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> gundam_rx78nt1: eheh still having trouble?
[00:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> BUGabundo: yep. seems like my middle name is really catching up to me.
[00:16] <BUGabundo> gundam_rx78nt1: that's really strange
[00:17] <BUGabundo> shouldn't be happening will servers
[00:17] <BUGabundo> have you tried main?
[00:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> I got 3 ror Not Found errors so far from the ftp.utexas.edu
[00:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> I was on main when you told me to switch :D
[00:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> or was I????
[00:18] <BUGabundo> no
[00:18] <BUGabundo> you were on an us mirror
[00:18] <gundam_rx78nt1> I just looked at it.
[00:18] <gundam_rx78nt1> Let me change.
[00:18] <gundam_rx78nt1> :( by the time I am done with this... I should become an expert on mirrors.
[00:18] <gundam_rx78nt1> Look ma' no reflections.
[00:19] <quietas> Anyone know when Python is to be fully fixed? I have an issue with TorrentFlux, Python-crypto, and downloading Piratebay .torrent files
[00:23] <BUGabundo> quietas: I guess it fell amoung the cracks
[00:23] <BUGabundo> file a bug please
[00:25] <quietas> BUGAbundo: There's a bit on the launchpad.net site, but no info if it has been integrated yet. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-crypto/+bug/337073
[00:25] <quietas> hehe
[00:25] <BUGabundo> I mean against those apps that are failing
[00:25] <quietas> can do
[00:28] <maxb> If someone has a spare moment and is using compiz, could you see this bug happens to you too: Turn the Water Effect plugin on, and see if the default Ctrl+Super keybinding does anything
[00:28]  * crdlb can't use water :<
[00:29] <BUGabundo> crdlb: some card don't!
[00:29]  * MenZa is on intel; wouldn't risk it.
[00:29] <maxb> Aww.
[00:29] <crdlb> BUGabundo: I know this firsthand :)
[00:29] <maxb> It works on my netbook
[00:29] <maxb> (intel)
[00:29] <MenZa> o_O
[00:29] <BUGabundo> maxb: that's with mvo
[00:30] <crdlb> this is a 32MB radeon 7500 M
[00:30] <maxb> BUGabundo: What do you mean?
[00:30] <crdlb> it doesn't take much, but I'm nowhere close :)
[00:30] <BUGabundo> the dev that mantains it
[00:38] <Ienorand> Hmm, i think I'll have to take back what I said earlier on APK and CAB, on closer examination they seem dissimilar, judgin by the kernel messages given... And APK does indeed have something to do with SysRq... gives the "SAK" message(?)
[00:43] <joshjtl> it's beyond me that theres no kde sound recorder in any repos
[00:44] <DanaG>  synaptics was reset on resume, see synaptics_resume_reset if you have trouble on resume
[00:44] <DanaG> man synaptics_resume_reset
[00:44] <DanaG> No manual entry for synaptics_resume_reset
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I always get that
[00:48] <BUGabundo> does it affect you ?
[00:50] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm just curious what they mean by "see synaptics_resume_reset".... it seems it's not a man page as one would think.
[00:51] <MenZa> DanaG→ Maybe they just want you to look at the string.
[00:53] <DanaG> I wish I could figure out where the damned l...................
[00:53] <DanaG> ..............ag is coming from.
[00:53] <DanaG> Yes, that's a sort of a joke.
[00:53] <bjsnider> DanaG, what lag is this?
[00:54] <DanaG> lemme' link you.
[00:54] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1105717    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112735
[00:55] <bjsnider> DanaG, you can't possibly be using the nvidia blob
[00:56] <DanaG> I'm using fglrx, and it affects both metacity-with-composite and compiz.
[00:56] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16284
[00:57] <bjsnider> i thought they fixed the composite problems with that old piece of garbage driver
[00:57] <DanaG> It was fine with fglrx just last week (or so).
[00:57] <DanaG> It just broke for me very recently.
[00:58] <bjsnider> how anyone tolerates linux without an nvidia system is totally beyond me. all of you have intestinal fortitude well beyond human comprehension.
[00:58] <DanaG> I had my fair share of issues with my previous nvidia-based laptop, too.
[00:58] <DanaG> Oh, and try using an nvidia-legacy card.... it just segfaults xorg.
[00:59] <bjsnider> try using my card and you'll have no issues at all
[00:59] <DanaG> I remember literally 6 months of *BLINK* ............. *BLINK*................ *twitch* ..............
[00:59] <DanaG> from nvidia, until they finally fixed it.
[01:00] <Ienorand> nvidia is almost as bad... and there is less howtos....
[01:00] <bjsnider> in 16 months of owning this card, i have not had one showstopper and i've run ubuntu the whole time
[01:00] <DanaG> And nvidia doesn't do xrandr 1.2.
[01:01] <bjsnider> right, they can't rotate
[01:01] <DanaG> And nvidia doesn't give specs... so if you have a desupported card... you're stuck up a creek without a paddle.
[01:01] <DanaG> They also can't use the gnome screen-resolution thing.
[01:01] <bjsnider> they ahve their own control panel app that works very well
[01:02] <bjsnider> what's a desupported card?
[01:02] <bjsnider> old junk?
[01:02] <DanaG> Yeah.  If it's old junk, then GIVE OUT THE DAMNED SPECS...
[01:02] <crdlb> imagine, if you will, having nvidia-settings, ati-settings, intel-settings, sis-settings, mga-settings, via-settings, etc.
[01:03] <crdlb> do you see why it's bad to have each vendor have their own crapware?
[01:03] <bjsnider> crdlb, does nvidia's driver work with no showstoppers or doesn't it?
[01:03] <crdlb> they're drive developers, not desktop developers
[01:03] <crdlb> driver*
[01:04] <crdlb> it doesn't work on my gf2
[01:04] <bjsnider> i'm not here complaining about all of the numerous problems with the intel driver. i'm not here talking about some bizarre thing when i try to minimize windows. compiz works as well as it could possibly work
[01:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the radeon (not fglrx!) driver itself has given me one thing I've never gotten even from nvidia: damn near PERFECTLY reliable suspend.
[01:05] <crdlb> because your card is ridiculously powerful
[01:05] <bjsnider> crdlb, horsepower has nothing to do with it
[01:05] <crdlb> it has everything to do with it
[01:05] <DanaG> I don't expect a "hey, let's lie and call this geforce2 a geforce4!"-MX card to do much... but I do expect the damned thing not to make the X server SEGFAULT.
[01:05] <bjsnider> no it does not
[01:05] <bjsnider> my card is 3 generations out of date
[01:06] <DanaG> It's always in nvidia.
[01:06] <crdlb> yes intel has screwed up this cycle, but hopefully it'll be salvaged before release :)
[01:06] <crdlb> bjsnider: and still 100x more than compiz needs
[01:06] <DanaG> I am waiting for just one big thing on radeon: POWER MANAGEMENT.
[01:06] <crdlb> my radeon doesn't use any power :D
[01:07]  * DanaG has RV635.
[01:07] <bjsnider> the suspend issues on nvidia hardware were fixed
[01:08] <bjsnider> you buy a laptop with an 8200m, the only problem you'll have is trying to find the time to play all of the hi-def movies that are played right off the gpu
[01:08] <ryanakca> Is it normal that I receive messages like ``[ 2105.931183] Out of memory: kill process 10065 (zsh) score 1218884 or a child'' on the command prompt
[01:10] <DanaG> Oh, and HDR+AA in Oblivion (in Windows) is cool, too.
[01:11] <crdlb> ryanakca: only if you're extremely out of memory :)
[01:12] <ryanakca> crdlb: Well, I have 512MB ram... and all I have running is mutt, GNU screen, zsh and kdm... shouldn't be taking up that much
[01:12] <crdlb> ryanakca: apparently something is
[01:13] <ryanakca> crdlb: And, any way to find out what is?
[01:13] <crdlb> did you attempt to read the zshall manpage? I could see how that might exhaust your memory :P
[01:13] <DanaG> ugh, friggin' gnome mouse settings don't work.
[01:13] <crdlb> that message seems to be suggesting that it was a child of zsh that was gobbling memory
[01:14] <ryanakca> crdlb: Ok. Since I use zsh as my shell, wouldn't every process be a child of it?
[01:14] <crdlb> anything your ran in an interactive terminal, yes
[01:14]  * DanaG restarts xorg with an older core.
[01:15] <crdlb> presumably dash is still your /bin/sh
[01:15] <ryanakca> crdlb: Hmmm... OK, thanks, I'll try my programs one by one. And yes, unless some package changed it
[01:28] <savvas> in case anyone comes in wondering why update manager doesn't show 9.04 in the distribution upgrade, this is the reason: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/354228
[01:29] <BUGabundo> savvas: actually I was just reading my email, and mvo stated it was fixed
[01:29] <BUGabundo> so it's a question of propagating to mirrors now
[01:32] <Hammer89> is it possible to get the 9.04 notification icon style in 8.10?
[01:32] <bernhard> hm, how are the kde 4.2 packages doing?
[01:32] <bernhard> looks like i should wait for an upgrade
[01:32] <bernhard> and take the experimental repos instead
[01:33] <thompa> I am still having issue with FIrefox and toolbox bookmark not going away in gmail. Anybody else?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> Hammer89: no
[01:33] <BUGabundo> bernhard: we are on 4.2.2
[01:33] <thiebaude> thompa: google toolbar?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> thompa: do you have a bug id for it?
[01:33] <thompa> not its just a book mark i dragged to toolbar.
[01:34] <bernhard> BUGabundo: nice :)
[01:34] <thiebaude> hi BUGabundo
[01:34] <bernhard> BUGabundo: still deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main ?
[01:34] <thompa> for gmail its always the message part of it there which i deleted ages ago
[01:35] <Hammer89> BUGabundo: Alrighty, thanks!
[01:35] <thompa> Gmail-fwd ..."subject of email"
[01:35] <BUGabundo> you guys all replying at the same time got me confused
[01:35] <thiebaude> :)
[01:35] <BUGabundo> its 2am so take it easy on me
[01:35] <BUGabundo> :)
[01:35] <thiebaude> ok
[01:35] <thompa> I don't know if its firefox or what
[01:35] <thiebaude> its only 8:35pm here
[01:36] <thompa> well it must be anyway
[01:36] <BUGabundo> thompa: can you create a new profile and test?
[01:36] <thompa> firefox 3.0.8
[01:37] <BUGabundo> bah to old for me
[01:37] <BUGabundo> I use 3.4
[01:37] <BUGabundo> 3.5 and 3.6
[01:37] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: you got a link f
[01:37] <thompa> good idea, but then i have to open an email first
[01:37] <thiebaude> for 3.5
[01:37] <thompa> I guess then I would know if its ubuntu or forefox
[01:37] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: its in the archive, universe
[01:37] <thiebaude> thanks
[01:37] <BUGabundo> you get BOTH installed
[01:38] <BUGabundo> 3.0 and 3.5
[01:38] <thiebaude> off to synaptic
[01:38] <thompa> gmail and firefox
[01:38] <BUGabundo> to start it, type firefox-3.5
[01:38] <BUGabundo> thompa: you mean ubufox ?
[01:38] <thompa> if it will put deleted emails there its not good
[01:39] <thompa> maybe i haven't deleted it in gmail
[01:39] <thompa> but i cab remove other bookmarks there
[01:39] <thompa> *can, gmail comes back
[01:40] <thompa> Ill test it but I am not going to use it for a while
[01:40] <gundam_rx78nt1_> ok, what is the difference of firefox branding and non branding?
[01:40] <BUGabundo> I don't understand what you are saying
[01:40] <thompa> BUGabundo: redular new install updated
[01:41] <thompa> *blah to dark here!
[01:42]  * BUGabundo to sleepy in here
[01:42] <comradekingu> The installer has lists Oslo in the wrong timezone (+2GMT) when it should be +1
[01:42] <thompa> BUGabundo: no i can't remove any tool bar bookmarks on this box
[01:42] <BUGabundo> comradekingu: please file a bug
[01:42] <BUGabundo> there are a bunch of them wrong
[01:42] <BUGabundo> thompa: please try to disable ubufox addon
[01:43] <thompa> BUGabundo: is than on by default or in restricte?
[01:43] <comradekingu> A seperate bug, or is there already a wrong timezone report i could add this to?
[01:43] <thompa> I don't have any
[01:43] <BUGabundo> thompa: ah??
[01:43] <thompa> I need to reboot and test new user . thanks
[01:44] <BUGabundo> comradekingu: if you don't find one for your timezone, then new
[01:44] <thompa> im going to check the intel laptop also
[01:44] <savvas> BUGabundo: it is fixed, but I don't know if mvo enabled it back again :P
[01:46] <BUGabundo> savvas: his email said he did
[01:46] <BUGabundo> but tommorow we will know better
[01:46] <BUGabundo> time for bed
[01:46] <savvas> ah cool
[01:46] <BUGabundo> cy
[01:46] <savvas> gnight :)
[01:49] <thompa> I am just going to start with new user, anybody else having trouble removing firefox toolbar bookmarks?
[01:49] <comradekingu> Im running the beta build, not daily. There are too many wrong to file a seperate bugreport for each and every one. Most crosses arent even in the highlighted area
[01:50] <Ienorand> thompa: no, worked fine.
[01:50] <thompa> I think this was an upgrade from Ibex. thanks
[01:51] <picklesworth> grrrr... a string of notifications from liferea just completely suppressed a notification from gnome power manager telling me why it wouldn't open the shutdown dialog!
[01:51] <thompa> but creating new user fiixes it
[01:52] <Ienorand> thompa: Could always try disablinng/enabling extensions
[01:52] <picklesworth> high urgency notifications should really be treated the same way as confirmations; appearing alongside the existing notifications if necessary, and appearing on cue
[01:52] <thompa> it was all the bookmarks, they delete but come back when i reopen
[01:53] <thompa> I can add bookmarks though, oh well
[02:05] <Ienorand> I don't seem to have any "on battery" settings in my power manager prefs, might this be because I've installed without the battery plugged in? How can I get it back?
[02:11] <Ienorand> isn't acpi supposed to be installed in Ubu, I can't invoke it from terminal...
[02:30] <mangroovie> Anyone have missing .gvfs due Jaunty udates?
[02:58] <Leon_Nardella> Anyone else experiencing freezes with ext4 under heavy IO? I'm using a a certain kernel that seems bug-free and would like other people to try it.
[03:08] <matrixblue>  I was trying to do a full install to my USB drive and got the error message message saying, "GRUB failed to install-- this is a fatal error!"
[03:10] <matrixblue> anyone here?
[03:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> yes, finally. The updates are downloading correctly!
[03:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> after 3 hours of trying.
[03:18] <madman> hello i have a question, i am currently using ubuntu 9.04 with encrypted lvm, i encrypted home also, now i am using vmware and there is disk activity in the machine, it automatically spikes my cpu to 100% all the time resulting in slow performance.
[03:22] <acce2451> Think I might have an issue/bug with 9.04b?  I use volume control to unmute the capture, but when I close it, it reverts to muted.
[03:23] <themiddleman> long journey to get here acce2451?
[03:23] <acce2451> Not really, no.
[03:23] <acce2451> Just went to #ubuntu, and someone said to try here.
[03:23] <madman> same thing here.
[03:23] <themiddleman> #ubuntu-testing then #ubuntu, then here :D
[03:25] <acce2451> So, can anyone actually help me?
[03:26] <madman> help?
[03:26] <madman> i also need help if anyone is generous with their time.
[03:26] <acce2451> Or I can try another channel, doesn't matter to me...
[03:27] <madman> well, i tried the default ubuntu and they asked me to come here.
[03:27] <acce2451> Huh.
[03:27] <acce2451> Same here.
[03:27] <madman> looks like this place is dead unfortunately
[03:27] <acce2451> Somehow this reminds me of KOL chat....
[03:27] <acce2451> oh well.
[03:29] <picklesworth> ack
[03:29] <picklesworth> don't leave!
[03:29] <picklesworth> *sigh*
[03:29] <picklesworth> just takes a while. Lots of these IRC channels work like email, almost :P
[03:29] <gundam_rx78nt1> anybody knows the difference of firefox branding and non branding?
[03:30] <themiddleman> gundam_rx78nt1, like what?
[03:30] <picklesworth> and sorry. madman, I couldn't guess what your issue is. Have you tried searching Launchpad bug reports?
[03:31] <gundam_rx78nt1> I am trying to install firefox and I have those two options for install.
[03:31] <madman> oh
[03:31] <madman> well the issue is when i do some file transfers, cpu spikes up at 100%
[03:31] <gundam_rx78nt1> I really don't know why there is 2 different ones available on the repositories
[03:31] <madman> is it because it's encrypted.
[03:32] <Amaranth> gundam_rx78nt1: One has the logo, one doesn't (I guess)
[03:32] <comradekingu> I could be wrong, but isnt the branding the firefox part of it? Without it you would just get iceweasel or similar
[03:32] <Amaranth> gundam_rx78nt1: The one without the logo is actually Free, the one without is about as non-Free as an "open source" project can get without completely taking away the code
[03:33] <Amaranth> err, the second one should be the one with it
[03:33] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok. thank you for the explanation.
[03:33] <gundam_rx78nt1> off to break my box again.
[03:49] <weternal> hey I'm having a problem with boxee in jaunty
[04:03] <raVen> hello comradeking
[04:03] <raVen> why did you bring me here
[04:05] <comradekingu> raVen: --> Welcome to the Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope (beta) discussion channel
[04:05] <raVen> thank you..so jaunty jackalope is ubuntu 9.04?
[04:05] <comradekingu> yes
[04:06] <raVen> im curious about linux names..why is it so weird?
[04:06] <crdlb> it's just a codename
[04:07] <raVen> yeah i know but the names are weird ^_^
[04:07] <jscinoz> hey
[04:07] <jscinoz> anyone know what happened to the xen domU kernels that used to be in linux-image-xen?
[04:08] <badpenguin86> Anyone try the Ubuntu portable yet?
[04:08] <raVen> me
[04:08] <raVen> guys...are these 283 updates for ubuntu 8.10 safe?
[04:10] <jscinoz> raVen: probably
[04:16] <bjsnider> mplayer can stop the gnome-screensaver with that heartbeat command, but it can't stop the fade out effect
[04:18] <raVen> lol
[04:20] <bjsnider> so i see the fade, but not the screensaver
[04:22] <comradekingu> So i was going to send in a bugreport, then firefox closed unexpectedly, so I tried to send that in, then firefox crashed a second time, and then the chash reporter crashed ;)
[04:22] <comradekingu> crash*
[04:43] <etzerd> Hello all
[04:43] <etzerd> Anyone here tested the beta version version 9.04 yet?
[04:44] <cwillu> nope
[04:44] <cwillu> not a soul :p
[04:46] <yow|x2> hey cwillu
[04:56] <hil> .oO(^^)
[05:02]  * cwillu pokes yow|x2 with a stick
[05:05] <yow|x2> cwillu - just thought id let you know i got a freeze today on the mainline kernel. im using the default one right now, we'll see if it happens again. im almost sure its due to all of the video driver updates lately
[05:06] <cwillu> yow|x2, looks like, good to know
[05:13] <cwillu> yow|x2, keep me posted :)
[05:13] <yow|x2> will do cwillu
[05:14] <grodius> Hi, I'm running a macbook with Jaunty and my compiz is not working. Does anyone in here have a macbook with integrated intel gfx?
[05:16] <DanaG> I've been getting compositing lagfreezes.
[05:16] <DanaG> or rather, unminimize laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.
[05:16] <bjsnider> grodius, the intel graphics driver in jaunty is super-mega broken
[05:17] <cwillu> grodius, release notes, and every bug on launchpad :p
[05:17] <bjsnider> grodius, it's broken at least as much as the titanic
[05:17] <themiddleman> meh. compiz
[05:18] <bjsnider> it should be better than the mac driver in 6 months though, once it has gallium and everything
[05:19] <grodius> I found someone in this channel with the same chipset as me before and they pasted me their xorg and it worked
[05:19] <grodius> but i lost my install
[05:19] <bjsnider> you lost it? where did you put it last?
[05:19] <cwillu> grodius, and then updates happened, and stuff that wasn't working started working, and other stuff that was working broke, and so forth :p
[05:19] <cwillu> grodius, AccelMethod "UXA" may have been the relevant option though
[05:20] <bjsnider> that's what i was thinking. i don't see what else could have been different in the xorg.conf file
[05:20] <grodius> cwillu: i will try
[05:20] <cwillu> oldaccel, noaccel, vesa :p
[05:21] <cwillu> he didn't say compiz was working well before :p
[05:21] <teethdood> kudos to the ubuntu team for beating Fedora 11beta in benchmarks
[05:21] <bjsnider> teethdood, which benchmarks are these now?
[05:22] <teethdood> bjsnider: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_fedora_q209&num=1
[05:23] <bjsnider> i guess you missed this part: However, the development builds of Fedora 11 do have various debugging options enabled, which may partially explain these figures. Fedora 11 is also tracking GCC 4.4 instead of GCC 4.3
[05:23] <bjsnider> and ubuntu is a month closer to release than fedora. it's really not a fair competition
[05:24] <cwillu> bjsnider, but they showed fedora with a blue sky background!
[05:24] <bjsnider> good point
[05:24] <bjsnider> i stand corrected
[05:25]  * cwillu hates phoronix for their gratuitous page splitting and how they never link to anything but their own articles
[05:25] <cwillu> quick, find the ubuntu link on that page :)
[05:25] <bjsnider> i'll bet fedora's intel driver and sound stack work much better than jaunty's by the end of their release cycle
[05:25] <cwillu> trick question!  it's not there!
[05:28] <teethdood> so you're suggesting to use fedora 11 then?
[05:28] <bjsnider> god no
[05:28] <teethdood> just checking :P
[05:28] <bjsnider> have you seen their package manager? horror show
[05:28] <daskreech> Jaunty is still broken pretty bad?
[05:29] <cwillu> daskreech, define bad
[05:29] <cwillu> my desktop is working fine with nvidia
[05:29] <daskreech> ok
[05:29] <cwillu> many people are now working fine with intel
[05:29] <daskreech> X was broken last Week
[05:29] <daskreech> still broken?
[05:29] <cwillu> for some
[05:29] <cwillu> for some
[05:29] <bjsnider> red hat should replace yum with apt. texstar proved apt can work with rpms
[05:30] <daskreech> cwillu: Hmm guess I'll try update again. If it's still broken can I submit something that would help ?
[05:31] <DanaG> I tried Fedora.... god damn, that package manager makes me say.... "yuck"
[05:31] <DanaG> =þ
[05:31] <DanaG> Blatant pun.
[05:31] <DanaG> You can end up with TWO different version of a package installed at the same time.
[05:32] <daskreech> !yum
[05:32] <cwillu> daskreech, search launchpad for your chipset, there's probably already a bug posted about the exact problem you're having.  Make sure you read everything you can though before posting, and that you're on the right bug, there's already a huge amount of noise on most of the intel bugs
[05:32] <daskreech> cwillu: It's not Intel it's SIS
[05:32] <cwillu> my bad :p
[05:32] <DanaG> !botsnack
[05:32] <cwillu> (see the importance of checking first?) :)
[05:33] <cwillu> but again, there's probably a bug already on it, check launchpad
[05:33] <daskreech> ok
[05:33] <cwillu> I've found that going through the motions of reporting a bug is one of the better ways of searching launchpad
[05:39] <bjsnider> launchpad has one of the least efficient search engines i've seen
[05:41] <daskreech> I"M finding that out now
[05:42] <frybye> bjsnider: perhaps cos it is 1 of the few that google dosent kontrol..?
[05:49] <bjsnider> frybye, i guess you're saying that if google did "control" launchpad's search engine, it would be a lot better
[05:49] <frybye> bjsnider: not at all!
[05:49] <bjsnider> actually that is what you said
[05:50] <frybye> just that they seem to have a corner on much of the smart search-tech...
[05:50] <bjsnider> i said launchpad's search engine isn't efficient, and you said that's because google doesn't control it. meaning it would be efficient if google did control it
[05:51] <frybye> no - my poinnt was that a bit lamer search engine is a small price to pay when it means that the are indipendent of the dark empire...
[05:52] <frybye> or something like that! ;=)
[05:52] <bjsnider> google employs linus torvalds's right hand man andrew morton
[05:53] <frybye> just means they know where the brains are to be found in todays society..
[05:54] <bjsnider> you're paying them another compliment then
[05:54] <bjsnider> you seem to respect this "dark empire"
[05:55] <rww> !ot | frybye, bjsnider
[05:58] <frybye> rww: Jaunty is NOT RELEASED and NOT SUPPORTED
[05:59] <frybye> and yes #ubuntu - is a support channel- we are not on #ubuntu..or??
[05:59] <bazhang> frybye, lose the caps
[05:59] <rww> frybye: That factoid should probably have an #ubuntu+1-specific variant. Nevertheless, non-Jaunty discussion belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic, thanks.
[06:00] <bazhang> frybye, and stay on topic here.
[06:00] <frybye> baz - copied from #-theme..
[06:07] <daskreech> Does anyone else have the Notification indicator disappear randomly ?
[06:10] <ubuntu> 'Partman with exit code 141'. someone pls tell me what it means? I am trying to install kubuntu from linux without cd...
[06:10] <ubuntu> failed
[06:10] <daskreech> without?
[06:11] <ubuntu> yup without cd
[06:11] <daskreech> installting from the ISO image?
[06:11] <ubuntu> yup
[06:12] <ubuntu> i followed the procedure from ubuntuhelp
[06:13] <[GuS]> Hi Guys!!... i am having a problem sin today updates in jaunty... gimp does not launch... i am using Kubuntu... The process start since i can see it with ps... but does the window does not show...
[06:14] <ubuntu> daskreech? any idea? could it be an error in my setup?
[06:14] <daskreech> [GuS]: run it from the command line?
[06:14] <[GuS]> i did it too
[06:14] <[GuS]> the same happens
[06:14] <daskreech> Where aer you getting that error?
[06:14] <[GuS]> there is some warnings, but the app since that starts.. just does not show a thing
[06:14] <[GuS]> let me paste in a site..
[06:15] <[GuS]> daskreech: http://pastebin.com/m79339f6c
[06:15] <[GuS]> i've deleted the settings too.. and nothing..
[06:16] <[GuS]> was working till recently updates...
[06:16] <daskreech> ubuntu: that question was for you :)
[06:16] <ubuntu> daskreech:during the installation... i am actually booting from the iso right now, but i can't get past the 'scanning disk'...
[06:17] <daskreech> ubuntu: I'm not suer that you can partition a drive while on the drive
[06:17] <teethdood> guys, what's the gui to use to encrypt /home?
[06:18] <ubuntu> daskreech: oops.. it could be the reason.. il check the how-to again...
[06:18] <teethdood> crypto-modules
[06:32] <Castawayz> doh can no longer update
[06:33] <Castawayz> same with fresh install
[06:37] <[GuS]> i did a report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/354962
[07:31] <DanaG> argh, why has my mouse suddenly become so quite very sluggish?
[07:31] <DanaG> The mouse acceleration preferences in gnome...  SOMETHING changes its ownership.
[07:36] <DanaG> ... so I can't start the VM again.
[07:36] <DanaG> "it" == rawdisk.
[08:42] <spaceBARbarian> whats the best media player for ubuntu ? sad that rythmbox doesnt even have an equalizer
[08:43] <nanomad> hi
[08:43] <o0Chris0o> !hi | nanomad
[08:43] <nanomad> i'm having completely random lockups on my system, anyone can help
[08:43] <nanomad> ?
[08:43] <o0Chris0o> nanomad→ can you be more descriptive
[08:44] <nanomad> ok, well while i'm doing something (doesn't matter what, compiling or updating the package cache), sometimes the computer locks up (no keyboard or mouse response, only sysreq keys works)
[08:45] <nanomad> i've had this already 3 times today (one while compiling and two while using apt)
[08:45] <o0Chris0o> hrmm
[08:45] <o0Chris0o> anyone else want to jump in?
[08:46] <nanomad> it is certainly not a RAM or disk problem, i've tested both ;)
[08:46] <o0Chris0o> all I can say is jaunty is still in testing mode, sorry I can't be of much help at this time
[08:46] <nanomad> o0Chris0o: i know
[08:51] <sagredo> hi. can anyone help me with getting this file installed? error while loading shared libraries: libgnome-desktop-2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:52] <crdlb> sagredo: you need to rebuild it
[08:52] <sagredo> I reinstalled libgnome-desktop-2-11
[08:52] <crdlb> libgnome-desktop is not part of the gnome platform, so it's allowed to have an unstable ABI
[08:52] <sagredo> what else
[08:52] <crdlb> no, you need to rebuild the app
[08:52] <sagredo> crdlb: oh, okay
[08:53] <crdlb> note that we're up to -11, when your app was built against -2
[08:53] <crdlb> intrepid had -7
[08:53] <sagredo> ah.
[08:53] <crdlb> that really is a lot of abi breaks though :>
[08:54] <sagredo> what are abi breaks?
[08:55] <crdlb> changing the binary interface, so that anything using it needs to be recompiled
[08:57] <sagredo> src/main.c:23:35: error: libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs.h: No such file or directory
[08:57] <sagredo> src/main.c: In function ‘main’:
[08:57] <sagredo> src/main.c:98: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘gnome_vfs_init’
[08:57] <sagredo> make: *** [src/main.o] Error 1
[08:57] <sagredo> what gives crdlb
[08:58] <crdlb> you're missing libgnomevfs-dev or whatever it's called
[08:58] <crdlb> the buildsystem should have caught that on ./configure though
[08:58] <sagredo> oh.
[08:59] <crdlb> libgnomevfs2-dev
[08:59] <crdlb> debian package names are so fun
[08:59] <sagredo> crdlb: why do you say?
[09:01] <crdlb> oh nothing :)
[09:04] <sagredo> hey  crdlb
[09:04] <sagredo> where can I find libgnome-desktop-2 :/
[09:06] <crdlb> the binary package is libgnome-desktop-2-11, but you'll want libgnome-desktop-dev
[09:07] <sagredo> crdlb: my system says I have that
[09:07] <crdlb> ok, so what's the problem?
[09:08] <sagredo> I cannot make the source file for the circular-menu-application
[09:08] <crdlb> with the gnome-vfs error?
[09:09] <sagredo> crdlb: yeah
[09:09] <crdlb> did you install libgnomevfs2-dev
[09:09] <crdlb> and re-./configure ?
[09:09] <sagredo> yes
[09:09] <sagredo> ./configure the source?
[09:10] <crdlb> yes
[09:11] <sagredo> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[09:11] <sagredo> :x
[09:12] <crdlb> ok, where did you get this?
[09:13] <sagredo> from the circular-application-menu directory
[09:13] <crdlb> right, but where did you get _that_?
[09:13] <crdlb> I guess you got it with something like svn or git?
[09:13] <sagredo> svn checkout http://circular-application-menu.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ circular-application-menu
[09:13] <sagredo> yes
[09:14] <crdlb> hmm, that's a good buildsystem ...
[09:14] <sagredo> yeah dude what gives
[09:19] <crdlb> I don't understand how somebody could make such an app without grasping pkg-config
[09:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have a question what od i need to get tablet pc functionality working in jaunty
[10:15] <demmon> how is 9.04 working on dell laptops
[10:26] <Tinason> hello. i am running jaunty b1. today i upgraded using adept, and a new kernal version was install (ending in .14 i think), and upgraded to kde 4.2.2. I now get errors loading my x config (cant load modules; 'type1' and 'freetype'), when using the xorg.conf that nvidia-xconfig generates. when i delete my xord.conf (and not use the nvidia config) , i can load kde (as i am now). i wanted to load my previous (recent) kernal versions (
[10:26] <Tinason> say, .12 or .13), but grub tells me 'file not found'. how can i reinstall a previous (recent) kernal version (so that i can fix my video issue) ?
[10:57] <ubuntu> soemone pls check this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/144026/  . I insatalling/booting kubuntu iso from hard disk but I can't get past 'scanning disks' because of this error 'Partamn failed with exit code 141 blah3x'. please...
[11:01] <rolly> hello my question is i'm using a laptop jaunty works fine but when i put my wireless card in it frezzes
[11:05] <barlas> Hmm.. I should have read this topic before upgrading :)
[11:11] <rolly> Can you help me?
[11:12] <rconan_> !ask | rolly
[11:13] <rconan_> rolly: oh... you did ask
[11:13] <rconan_> my bad
[11:13] <rolly> Yes.
[11:13] <rolly> I wondered I can make it work
[11:13] <rconan> rolly: what wireless card is it?
[11:14] <rolly> d-link airplusg+ dwl-g650+
[11:14] <rolly> for laptop'
[11:15] <rconan> is it PCMCIA?
[11:15] <rolly> whats that?
[11:15] <rolly> yesa
[11:15] <rolly> It Is PCMCIA
[11:15] <rconan> and when you plug it in the whole laptop freezes?
[11:15] <Tinason> hello. i am running jaunty b1. today i upgraded kde to 4.2.2  and a new kernal version was installed (ending in .14 i think), I now get errors loading my x config (cant load modules; 'type1' and 'freetype'), when using the xorg.conf that nvidia-xconfig generates. when i delete my xord.conf (and not use the nvidia config) , i can load kde (as i am now). i wanted to load my previous (recent) kernal versions (say, .12 or .13), but grub
[11:15] <Tinason> tells me 'file not found'. how can i reinstall a previous (recent) kernal version (so that i can fix my video issue) ?
[11:16] <rconan> have you tried having it plugged in at boot time?
[11:16] <rolly> Yes
[11:16] <rconan> what happened then?
[11:17] <rolly> It does not even start properly when i do that a cursor just shows on top of a black screen
[11:17] <rconan> Tinason: tried re-enabling nvidia drivers with the drivers manager?
[11:18] <rconan> rolly: strange... never seen anything like that before
[11:18] <Tinason> no, ill try that now
[11:18] <rconan> Tinason: I don't know if old kernel versions will remain in the repository
[11:18] <rolly> rconan: What think?
[11:19] <rconan> rolly: I'm thinking... I've only just got up :p
[11:19] <rolly> Okay
[11:20] <rconan> are you on that laptop now?
[11:21] <rolly> no.
[11:22] <rconan> ok... so you can try things and talk on IRC at the same time
[11:23] <rolly> yes
[11:23] <rconan> did you have any previous versions of ubuntu installed on it?
[11:23] <rolly> no i'm using live cd
[11:23] <rconan> ah, ok
[11:23] <rolly> and jaunty
[11:23] <rconan> so it's not installed
[11:23] <rolly> jacolope
[11:24] <rolly> ni
[11:24] <rolly> no
[11:24] <rconan> hmm... I don't know a great deal about the livecd
[11:24] <rconan> is it the beta or a daily?
[11:25] <rolly> beta
[11:25] <rolly> i think
[11:25] <rconan> there have been a lot of updates to everything since then... if you'
[11:25] <rconan> re intending to install it I'd say do that and ignore the wireless not working until you get all the updates
[11:25] <rconan> if you just want a livecd you might want to try a daily
[11:26] <rolly> where do i get that
[11:27] <rconan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:27] <clancy> hi
[11:27] <clancy> is jaunty freezed?
[11:28] <acicula> clancy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-March/000555.html
[11:29] <rolly> not at the moment it does not havewirelessin it
[11:30] <rconan> clancy: not that I am aware of...
[11:30] <rolly> i do have a daily release
[11:30] <rconan> rolly: when from?
[11:30] <clancy> because emesene 1.4.8 came out, it supports now webcam, the jaunty version doesn't for the moment
[11:30] <clancy> and i think it is much better than amsn
[11:31] <rolly> today
[11:31] <rconan> clancy: what version is in jaunty? if it's a small upgrade which is unlikely to break anything stick a bug on the tracker
[11:31] <rconan> clancy: major package updates post-beta are quite rare though
[11:32] <clancy> 1.0.1 in jaunty, the newest is 1.4.8
[11:32] <Riesh> on kubuntu jaunty rssnow widget on the desktop can not lose the "drop feed here" part ... anyone else has the same issue ? ...
[11:33] <rconan> clancy: latest I can find is 1.0.1 anyway...
[11:33] <clancy> http://alientrap.org/nexuiz/downloads.php
[11:33] <clancy> sorry, i clicked the woring link
[11:33] <clancy> http://forum.emesene.org/
[11:35] <rconan> clancy: do they not announce releases on their main website anymore?
[11:35] <Tinason> heh yeah, nexuiz 2.5 came out
[11:36] <clancy> rconan, i do not know how they manage it
[11:36] <clancy> rconan, it seems that they renamed it in emensene-crazy (?)
[11:37] <rconan> clancy: so I see... you might want to make a suggestion that "emesene-crazy" get added to the repo
[11:37] <rolly> how do ido a version check
[11:37] <Riesh> mmm ... games
[11:37] <clancy> but i am right when i say it is the sucessor of emesene?
[11:38]  * Riesh comes back later when there is discussion about jaunty again
[11:38] <clancy> rconan, how should i proceed?
[11:39] <rconan> clancy: I'm not sure, I can't tell if emesene is still under development
[11:39] <rconan> clancy: stick a bug on the bug tracker requesting the addition of emesene-crazy to the repo
[11:39] <clancy> ok
[11:39] <rconan> possibly also stick one up saying the emesene appears to no longer be under development (if this is the case)
[11:39] <clancy> i think i'll do the same for tuxguitar btw
[11:41] <rolly> how do i do a version check
[11:41] <rconan> rolly: version of what?
[11:42] <rolly> of ubuntu
[11:42] <rconan> lsb_release -rd
[11:47] <rolly> my version is 9.04 is that up to date
[11:50] <rolly> rconan: Is that up to date?
[11:52] <clancy> rolly, you use a beta version of ubuntu
[11:52] <clancy> rolly, the actual STABLE is 8.10
[11:52] <rconan> rolly: all dailys are 9.04
[11:52] <rolly> ok
[11:53] <clancy> rolly, just upgrade every day your ubuntu and it will always be up to date
[11:54] <holdenss> is ubuntu wiki down?
[11:54] <rconan> i couldn't get to it earlier
[11:54] <rconan> so it would seem so
[11:55] <benste> how can I set up eth0 to be active if a vbox guest uses eth0 for internal bridging? I installed A Webserver on the Vbox and now I can't access it from host
[11:59] <acicula> benste:  think you can have vbox sort it for you these days by setting it to host or internal networking
[11:59] <acicula> at least from 2.1
[12:01] <benste> aciclua internal networking is only between some VMs
[12:01] <benste> and host should work but my ubuntu host don't set up eth0 cause there is nothing plugged in
[12:02] <acicula> ah like so
[12:02] <acicula> if you want to setup a bridge and an virtual network device for the vm to use you better consult google i've seen a few tutorials on that
[12:06] <wompy> hi, my friend is using ubuntu netbook remix 9.04, he is able to ping www.google.com ,but not able to browse with firefox to www.google.com
[12:06] <wompy> even pidgin does not get a connection
[12:07] <acicula> whats the ping message he gets?
[12:08] <wompy> send 4 packages,received 4 packages,0 lost
[12:08] <wompy> he is able to browse to his router-website
[12:09] <holdenss> is he using wireless or ethernet ?
[12:09] <acicula> i mean does he get the ping response from google or for example from another source saying it's not reachable
[12:09] <wompy> wireless
[12:09] <acicula> like your router
[12:09] <wompy> ok,i'll proof it
[12:14] <wompy> target-adress: www.google.de (<IP_ADDRESS>) reply from <IP_ADDRESS> bytes=32 time =41ms ping stats for <IP_ADDRESS>: packets: sent =4 Received =4 Lost =0 (% loss)
[12:14] <bercik> hi!
[12:14] <bercik> My Synaptic doesnt show me any packages except that, which are already installed. I.e. i cant see audacious. Its fresh install of 9.04b. That is going on?
[12:14] <acicula> i guess your connection  works properly then
[12:14] <bercik> me? yes
[12:14] <acicula> but browsing or pidgin do not work?
[12:15] <acicula> bercik: no
[12:15] <bercik> ah
[12:15] <holdenss> how are you on irc then?
[12:15] <acicula> bercik: is it set to show installed packages only perhaps?
[12:16] <wompy> acicula: no,browsing exlusive the router-website and pidgin does not work
[12:17] <wompy> holdenss: do you ask me?
[12:17] <holdenss> wompy, yes
[12:17] <wompy> it's the pc of my friend, i am just transmitting ;)
[12:18] <bercik> Hmm, and where to find source.list compatible to 9.04?
[12:18] <acicula> ok so the router works properly then too
[12:18] <wompy> yes
[12:18] <wompy> think so
[12:18] <acicula> wait, your friend can access the router page but nothing beyond it?
[12:18] <wompy> yes
[12:18] <wompy> but ping works
[12:18] <acicula> different protocol
[12:19] <wompy> i've read sth about disabling ipv6 in firefox,but i don't think thats the best solution
[12:19] <acicula> bercik: its installed if you upgraded to 9.04
[12:20] <acicula> wompy: dont think that's the problem
[12:20] <acicula> tcp/ip works or you wouldnt be connecting to your router
[12:20] <bercik> acicula: and additional, nonofficial?
[12:20] <acicula> bercik: there are other repositorys yes
[12:21] <bercik> acicula: could i add nonofficial repos, that work with 8.10?
[12:22] <acicula> bercik: dunno, i'd guess apt-get will ignore them
[12:22] <bercik> acicula: ah, thank You
[12:22] <acicula> and just uses repors labelled jaunty
[12:22] <wompy> and what about name-server problems? well he tried just to get to <IP_ADDRESS> (google) but even that does not work
[12:23] <acicula> wompy: name server works
[12:23] <acicula> wompy: otherwise your ping wouldnt have either
[12:23] <wompy> kk
[12:23] <acicula> well unless your router caches the lookup
[12:23] <wompy> that means?
[12:23] <acicula> when did it stop working?
[12:24] <wompy> it never worked
[12:24] <wompy> well
[12:24] <wompy> he had a wired connection
[12:24] <wompy> and now i helped him to install his wireless-card
[12:25] <Alexia_Death> Kde has audio issues. PA as default starts at 0 volume and that does not mean silence, it means some odd cracling. uping the volume to 4% make it inaudible. Also, mutte button does not wok. ot shows the audio display widget but no actual change
[12:25] <acicula> any fancy setups in the router? did you unplug ethernet? does just using ethernet now work?
[12:25] <wompy> wait
[12:28] <Oli``> glxinfo is saying that direct rendering is off. Has a recent update broken nvidia?
[12:29] <acicula> Oli``: tried checking the driver in Hardware Drivers?
[12:30] <wompy> acicula: wired lan->firefox works
[12:31] <Oli``> acicula: good catch
[12:31] <acicula> wompy: do you have wireless?
[12:32] <acicula> wompy: can you check the router settings and see if forwarding/nat is enabled for the wireless network?
[12:32] <wompy> yeah,but if you want me to enter his wlan im not able to get there
[12:32] <wompy> ok, ill try to check it
[12:33] <acicula> wompy: well if your wireless also does not work, then you know it's a router setting 2
[12:34] <wompy> noe, i mean, iam not in his town, sry for my bad english
[12:35] <acicula> ah
[12:47] <wompy> acicula: he does not find any of those settings
[12:47] <wompy> there was a udp for wired and wireless devices-setting but with enabled or disabled,it does not work
[12:48] <wompy> its for communication between pc's in that network
[13:00] <wompy> also wget www.heise.de/index.html does not work
[13:07] <mnemo> why cant I install (or even "check the checkbox" for certain items in update-manager) ??
[13:07] <mnemo> like right now I cant install "ekiga"
[13:08] <Mulder> cant install? or update is held back
[13:08] <wompy> acicula: well thanks for your help, ill try  it later again
[13:10] <mnemo> mulder: yeah maybe its "held back" but why?
[13:10] <acicula> wompy: good luck
[13:10] <mnemo> i cant even check the checkbox so I cant even try to install it
[13:10] <Mulder> mnemo, might be a substantive update
[13:10] <Mulder> mnemo, try sudo apt-get install ekiga
[13:11] <mnemo> mulder: that worked...
[13:11] <mnemo> why are certain updates like that?
[13:11] <topyli> the ekiga update wants to remove packages and install others in place
[13:11] <mnemo> hmm ok
[13:11] <topyli> that's why apt refuses to do that by default
[13:11] <Mulder> substantive break
[13:11] <topyli> (removing packages that is)
[13:11] <mnemo> but usually I get a "partial update" thing in update-manager and update-manager just shows a list of what to remove?
[13:12] <benste> how can I make networkmanager to link an static IP to eth0 if no cable is plugged in?
[13:12] <topyli> benste: strange request :)
[13:12] <topyli> why would you want that?
[13:13] <mnemo> KDE probably has a checkbox for that *heh* j/k
[13:13] <benste> topyli: no it isn't cause I wanna connect to a vbox guest from my host computer
[13:13] <benste> topyli and vbox should use eth0 host interface for network to do so
[13:13] <topyli> benste: ah. i don't think that interface should be eth0 then
[13:13] <benste> what else?
[13:14] <topyli> ok. sorry, i'm no virtualization expert but i think the interface should be something else
[13:14] <topyli> the guest system may think it's eth0 from its point of view but the host calls it something else
[13:14] <benste> topyli? which interface should i use than
[13:15] <topyli> no idea :(
[13:15] <benste> thnxs a lot :-)
[13:15] <topyli> not eth-something
[13:15] <benste> but a bridge
[13:15] <topyli> yeah
[13:15] <yacoob> well, what do you know, read the topic and you have your answers... :)
[13:15] <benste> but I don't know how to set up one and whether it will work
[13:15] <Mulder> and my machine has only crashed once today *laugh*. success! heh
[13:16] <benste> topyli do you know how to setup a bridge for that case?
[13:16] <topyli> benste: like VPN creates devices like "tp0"
[13:16] <benste> and HOW does it do that?
[13:16] <benste> :-)
[13:17] <topyli> benste: i can't really help by a positive suggestion, but i can tell you the ethX approach is not the one :)
[13:17] <benste> ok tx
[13:52] <Ienorand> What kind of method does ubuntu use for mounting other partitions currently (as in nautilus mount-on-click)? Since there's nothing in fstab what method is used?
[13:53] <ikonia> Ienorand: userspace - basiclly fstab held in memory for that user
[13:57] <Ienorand> ikonia: You have any idea how I would go about automating mount on login using that method?
[13:58] <ikonia> Ienorand: script
[14:02] <Do``> could someone help me fix a few sound problems?
[14:02] <Do``> i was updating from interpid
[14:02] <Do``> and now firefox has no sound on flash stuff
[14:02] <Do``> and rhythmbox/vlc has noisy playback on all kinds of files
[14:03] <Do``> in sound preferences i have alsa set for sound events and music and movies
[14:03] <Alexia_Death> Do``: try pulseaudio
[14:03] <Do``> ye, tried it, same thing
[14:04] <Alexia_Death> Do``: then do pulseaudio -k and try again
[14:04] <Alexia_Death> that kills off pa
[14:04] <Alexia_Death> as to firefox/flash... theres a package that needs to be installed
[14:05] <Alexia_Death> but I dont remember what its called
[14:05] <Do``> and it's not installed by default?
[14:05] <Alexia_Death> not after upgrade
[14:05] <Alexia_Death> I dont know about clean intalls
[14:06] <Alexia_Death> it has flash in its name iirc
[14:07] <Do``> libflash-mozplugin?
[14:07] <Alexia_Death> no... I think it reffered to audio
[14:07] <Do``> flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound?
[14:10] <Do``> anyway, setting sound to pulseaudio didnt change a thing
[14:10] <Do``> music is still noisy
[14:11] <apadox> i can't get proprietary ati drover on jaunty .. my card is radeon 9600 se . . is this common problem?
[14:13] <aaime> Hi all... anyone has any suggestion on how to configure Jaunty + Radeon X1550 + radeon-xorg open source driver to support a dual head setup with different resolution? I can get it to work in clone mode but no luck with extended desktop mode. It also seem the older monitor resolution is not detected properly
[14:14] <apadox> this is message i get when i try to run latest driver from ati webpage "Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version
[14:14] <apadox> default:v2:i686:lib::none:2.6.28-11-generic; make sure that the version is being
[14:14] <apadox> correctly set by --iscurrentdistro
[14:14] <apadox> "
[14:15] <aaime> (in my case the fglrx driver simply causes X to freeze, I have to ssh in from another machine to regain control of the PC)
[14:15] <aaime> (but then again, X1550 is a R500 so not suported by the latest catalyst)
[14:16] <aaime> probably better to just throw away my ATI cart and get an nVidia instead?
[14:22]  * wirechief klunk
[14:22]  * wirechief throws X1300 away
[14:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:33] <Ienorand> ikonia: Regarding the automount thing, could you give me some pointers, I'm not really sure where to start... Where does Ubuntu keep the scripts used now? What commands are used? Is FUSE involved?
[14:48] <clancy> hi
[14:48] <clancy> i use jaunty on ext3 and everything works fine
[14:49] <clancy> will, when jaunty is final, ext4 be stable enough to use every day
[14:49] <clancy> i heard some people lost data
[14:50] <clancy> with ext4 partitions
[14:51] <Ienorand> clancy: I have not had any problems so far, but I haven't really mucked about with it that much, I only run it off a usb stick formatted as ext4.
[14:59] <daftykins> clancy EXT4 is included in jaunty as a sort of test pilot to let people test it, before a more official inclusion in 9.10 koala, so it's really just for experimentation
[15:03] <clancy> ok
[15:07] <barlas> I have atheros AR5007, it was working fine with intrepid (by using self-compiled mad-wifi modules), now with jaunty, it connects fine, but connection drops after a while. Disabling and enabling the wireless automatically reconnects
[15:07] <barlas> Oh and I am using Kubuntu, manually updated from intrepid
[15:11] <Padzman> hello
[15:12] <Padzman> i have been reading like crazy on line but cant find out how to get my usb head set to play youtube audio
[15:12] <Padzman> any help
[15:13] <ikonia> Padzman: on 9.04 ?
[15:13] <Padzman> yep just dl it yesterday
[15:13] <ikonia> Padzman: did your headset work on 8.10 ?
[15:13] <ikonia> or 8.04 ?
[15:14] <Padzman> i am a to this just left windows
[15:14] <ikonia> then I don't advise using a beta version
[15:14] <ikonia> Padzman: I suggest using 8.04 or 8.10 which is fully supported
[15:15] <Padzman> humm guess its time to reinstall then
[15:15] <Padzman> sorry for tacking up your time
[15:15] <ikonia> not at all
[15:15] <ikonia> no apology needed
[15:15] <Padzman> taking
[15:15] <Padzman> later and thanks
[15:18] <tpfennig> hi all
[15:19] <tpfennig> my jaunty crashes on videoplaying. is that a known issue?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> tpfennig, which player
[15:24] <tpfennig> BluesKaj: all players
[15:24] <tpfennig> mplayer, vlc, totem
[15:24] <tpfennig> ,...
[15:24] <tpfennig> xorg crashes then
[15:25] <tpfennig> with vlc sometimes only vlc crashes
[15:28] <virtuald> is there a gnomeish pop/imap biff-like app that integrates with evolution?
[15:30] <virtuald> xbiff like*
[15:34] <dreamcoder> anyone else having issues with download speeds via wireless in jaunty
[15:36] <tianshiz1> Hi, has anyone gotten a2dp bluetooth audio to work on jaunty? I could pair fine at first, but never connect, even though pavucontrol displayed the bluetooth headset. Now however, I can't even pair at all!
[15:41] <wompy> hi, i've got a friend, who's able to ping www.google.com but not able to browse with firefox to google.com . iwconfig says, he's not associated any suggestions whats the problem? -> i asked ealier this day
[15:42] <Exilant> port 80 blocked?
[15:43] <Exilant> if he's not associated, it's reall weird that ping works though
[15:43] <monique> i just installed kubuntu 9.04 into my powerpc
[15:43] <dreamcoder> anyone else having problem with download speeds in jaunty?
[15:44] <monique> now it's got lots of problems
[15:44] <monique> i dont know mucho about computers
[15:44] <tianshiz1> everything downloads fine for me
[15:44] <bjsnider> monique, today's newbies are tomorrow's experts
[15:45] <dreamcoder> i should be getting 2400 and i am getting 700 and below
[15:45] <acicula> using what link
[15:45] <monique> thanks
[15:45] <tianshiz1> yep monique, I'm fairly noobie too, but after playing around with ubuntu for a few month I got used to it pretty much.
[15:45] <monique> but does anyone know anything about powerpc
[15:45] <dreamcoder> from usenet, and i have checked on my pc with 8.04 and the speed is at 2400 on there
[15:46] <acicula> there's a channel for it
[15:46] <bjsnider> monique, powerpc is not a build that ubuntu does well. fedora is better at it.
[15:47] <monique> debian is better?
[15:47] <acicula> probably not monique
[15:47] <bjsnider> in fact i think they abandoned the powerpc build awhile back
[15:47] <monique> i used to have kubuntu 8.04
[15:47] <monique> it was working fine although i couldnt install some applications and i dont have flash
[15:48] <monique> now i upgraded it to kubuntu 9.04 and it's worse
[15:48] <dreamcoder> flash is easy to install
[15:48] <dreamcoder> is that using x6?
[15:48] <dreamcoder> sorry x64?
[15:48] <acicula> !ppc
[15:48] <monique> i dont know if the problem was becasue of the upgrade or if it's becasue it doesnt work well for power pc
[15:49] <acicula> hmm no channel, maybe #ubuntu-ppc /
[15:49] <thiebaude> monique: did you upgrade from 8.10
[15:49] <dreamcoder> ah
[15:49] <monique> yup frm that
[15:49] <BluesKaj> tpfennig, try the recovery kernel in the grub menu . A boot dialog will open and choose "fix broken packages" . I think this is preferable to editing the xorg.conf file since it relies so heavily on HAL , that it breaks/crashes with smallest changes.
[15:50] <tianshiz1> what's this python issue that's breaking Jaunty? I just refreshed my updates, should i install the python updates?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> tpfennig err - that X breaks/crashes with smallest changes
[15:50] <acicula> thought that was days ago
[15:50] <thiebaude> tianshiz1: there was a python update this morning
[15:52] <dreamcoder> i have had 64 updates today so far lol
[15:52] <thiebaude> i've had 10mb worth
[15:53] <dreamcoder> does anyone install proposed updates as well?
[15:55] <bjsnider> monique, this is probably the better option: http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-ppc
[15:56] <BluesKaj> another kernel upgrade today
[15:56] <thiebaude> dreamcoder,i install all updates
[16:08] <lanoxx-> can point me to some info about inetd and xinetd, and tell me why its not there on ubuntu? is it not needed?
[16:08] <lanoxx-> i just installed swat and i noticed it uses openbsd-inetd, quite confusing
[16:09] <lanoxx-> whats the difference between all these "superservers" ???
[16:10] <the_dark_warrio> When watching a movie in fullscreen, the new message system makes the screen blink. Is this a known bug?
[16:10] <JorgeJorgesson> does the 64 bit 9.04 version work well with everything?  Like flash....compiz and such?
[16:11] <bjsnider> JorgeJorgesson, i guess your question is meant to compare the x64 with the 32 bit?
[16:11] <JorgeJorgesson> bjsnider: yes, sorry.
[16:11] <bjsnider> x64 works great here
[16:11] <JorgeJorgesson> bjsnider: with ATI?
[16:11] <bjsnider> hhahaaaa
[16:11] <bjsnider> ah, no
[16:12] <bjsnider> nvidia
[16:12] <JorgeJorgesson> bjsnider: ah, I see
[16:13] <lanoxx-> Jordan_U, i have been using ubuntu as 64bit version since 8.04 and it has been getting better ever since
[16:13] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, i mean
[16:14] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: Ok, I will give it a shot.....I'm installing on a play laptop anyways. Not a production machine.
[16:14] <lanoxx-> 32bit is not a good choice anyway since we are going to hit the 4gig border this year
[16:14] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: I do have a desktop with 4 GB on it that acts like a server.  I'd love to try it there.
[16:15] <lanoxx-> most highend users have been using 4gigs for some time anyway but i believe that this year it will most likely hit the consumer market
[16:15] <lanoxx-> well if you use it productively be away ther 9.04 is still a beta
[16:16] <lanoxx-> i have jaunty running in a virtualbox and there it works fine
[16:16] <JorgeJorgesson> I've noticed even commercial vendors are offering Vista 64 bit now as a regular item.
[16:16] <JorgeJorgesson> A sign
[16:16] <lanoxx-> well vista....
[16:16] <JonCharge> How do I open the file manager with root permissions?
[16:16] <JonCharge> The default file manager
[16:16] <JonCharge> gksudo
[16:16] <charlie-tca> A sign that microsoft finally fixed It?
[16:16] <lanoxx-> but yeah, they have to, since its the only way to sell more than 4 gigs
[16:16] <JonCharge> But I don't know the command for the file manager.
[16:17] <lanoxx-> gksu
[16:17] <JorgeJorgesson> JonCharge: I use sudo nautilus
[16:17] <JonCharge> no... what is the file manager process called? :)
[16:17] <lanoxx-> nautilus
[16:17] <JonCharge> k
[16:17] <lanoxx-> or dolphin if you are under kde
[16:18] <lanoxx-> charlie-tca, well its not so much microsoft as its the drivers by the 3rd party vendors
[16:18] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: yup, I got that.  Can you use more than 4 GB with 32 bit Ubuntu?
[16:18] <lanoxx-> charlie-tca, if you have legacy hardware there will most likely be no drivers available for it
[16:19] <charlie-tca> That is why I don't use Microsoft, I guess. I am still using p2 processors
[16:19] <lufis> anyone else experiencing cut off tops and bottoms of the screen in jaunty?
[16:19] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, no, actually you can only use 3.5gigs with 32bit since the rest is reserved for pci adressing
[16:19] <lanoxx-> and the graphic card
[16:19] <JorgeJorgesson> I keep seeing some kind of message upon bootup.  something about greater than 4 GB aperture.
[16:20] <acicula> well there is pae but i'm guessing that only has a niche use
[16:20] <acicula> JorgeJorgesson: you can look it up with dmesg
[16:20] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, not sure what that it
[16:20] <acicula> or erm logs
[16:20] <acicula> ah yeh System log
[16:21] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, PAE is some kind of adress translation but its not wildely used
[16:21] <acicula> kern.log or syslog probably has what you want
[16:21] <carl0s-> Regarding bug #338982 , the chappie at the end says he's uploading a fix tonight (yesterday) to universe .. does that mean I just do an apt-get update/upgrade to get it, i.e. it'll be in the main repository?
[16:21] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: that is what I was thinking about.
[16:21] <JorgeJorgesson> I'll give 64 bit a try here on the laptop first.  See how it goes
[16:22] <JorgeJorgesson> Then on to the server
[16:22] <lanoxx-> since you have 4gigs i recommend you just use 64bit
[16:22] <JorgeJorgesson> It is a dansguardian server for the house
[16:22] <lanoxx-> adobe has also a beta for flash 11 that is available natively on linux
[16:22] <JorgeJorgesson> It also serves movies and music
[16:22] <lanoxx-> i forgot the link but you can google for it
[16:22] <coz_> hey guys.. when opening Open dialog in an application it still takes a long time to populate
[16:23] <BluesKaj> coz_, must be a large file
[16:24] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, the best you are off when using intel graphics, but there also has been some good progress with ati graphics, although my 4850 runs not so well yet
[16:24] <lufis> Xorg is messed up big time on my intel 945g chipset in jaunty. It won't go into a correct screen resolution, the one i used in the last version has cut off tops and bottoms of the screen, so there is no taskbar anymore
[16:24] <coz_> BluesKaj,  well what I mean is that at any time you run the Open form a app menu when the open dialog opens it takes quite a while to populate  not as bad as on intrepid though:)
[16:24] <acicula> lanoxx-: not if you have something recent
[16:24] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: yeah, both my laptop and server have the Xpress200 integrated card.
[16:25] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: default works well, but not with opengl
[16:25] <BluesKaj> JorgeJorgesson , the X200 card is restricted to 2D even with the latest fglrx driver
[16:25] <lanoxx-> acicula, yeah thats true, the 7xx series are still not so supported, but i have an intel chip in my X61 so i cant really say much about graphics drivers
[16:26] <JorgeJorgesson> BluesKaj: works well with compiz.....
[16:26] <acicula> 4500 gma here too, doesnt work so well still tbh
[16:26] <lanoxx-> on my desktop i have a 4850 and opengl does not work though
[16:26] <acicula> 3d anyway
[16:26] <recon69> just wondering what kernel 9.04 is running?
[16:26] <lanoxx-> 27
[16:27] <lanoxx-> no 28
[16:27] <BluesKaj> I have the same onboard graphics x200 , but disabled ... switched to an nvidia pcix card due to the grief with ati
[16:27] <coz_> 2.6.28-11-generic
[16:27] <JorgeJorgesson> recon69: uname -a
[16:28] <JorgeJorgesson> BluesKaj: My x200 works well with the open source drivers for compiz.  No issues at all.  Just Opengl
[16:28] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:29] <lanoxx-> is anyone here familiar with inetd and xinetd
[16:30] <lufis> FML, is there no one here who can help?
[16:30] <recon69> hmm, think thats the one with the Ralink RT61 drivers included in the kernel, will look forward to release and hope it stops my kernel panics on 8.04.
[16:31] <JorgeJorgesson> My biggest issue is alway wireless.  Always a pita
[16:32] <BluesKaj> lufis, there was alarge update this morning  , your issue might reolve itself if you haven't updated yet
[16:32] <BluesKaj> resolve
[16:32] <charlie-tca> lufis: the beta release notes state there are major problems with intel 9x5 video
[16:33] <recon69> same here, any heavy use of wireless on 8.04 cause a kernel panic for me :( . really annoying when I try play online games. but that OT.
[16:34] <lanoxx-> charlie-tca, can you point me to the note
[16:34] <lanoxx-> recon69, what chip do you have?
[16:34] <lufis> Sigh. The sad thing is I just completely lost this window and had no way of bringing it up again because they changed the key to move windows too
[16:35] <lufis> it showed like 10 pixels of the bottom of it at the top of my screen
[16:36] <lufis> I ran apt-get update, there are no video related updates
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Laney: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known%20issues
[16:37] <charlie-tca> lanoxx-: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known%20issues
[16:37] <lanoxx-> charlie-tca, thank you
[16:39] <BluesKaj> lufis, I posted this advice earlier and this seems like round about fix, but try the recovery kernel in the grub menu . A boot dialog will open and choose "fix broken packages" . I think this is preferable to editing the xorg.conf file since it relies so heavily on HAL , that it breaks/crashes with smallest changes.
[16:39] <recon69> lanoxx- : it's a EDIMAX card with a RT2561st chip
[16:39] <lukeqsee> quick question, using xubuntu 9.04 when I plug my ipod in nothing happens, it shows in lsusb, but doesn't mount or show up in banshee
[16:40] <recon69> lanoxx- : but as far as i know there are a couple of RT61 drivers, with the one added to the kernel in .27 being the stable one.
[16:41] <lanoxx-> recon69, hm never heard of it, but if .27 has a stable version i dont understand why you get kernel panics
[16:42] <recon69> I'm still on 8.04 with kernel .24 , so I still get panics
[16:43] <Raylz> *muhahaha*
[16:43] <Raylz> i just modprobed iwl3945
[16:43] <Raylz> never seen such a nice crash :)
[16:45] <hil> what did it do? crashed with an 3d-rendered explosion? ;)
[16:46] <lanoxx-> recon69, oh, i c, for a LTS its quite buggy i feel
[16:46] <JorgeJorgesson> So, can I dual boot 64 bit 9.04 with a current 32 bit installation? Can I format the new installation with the new ext4 filesystem?
[16:46] <lukeqsee> what is the iPod nano 1g driver?
[16:46] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, yes dual but is not bound to 64bit or 32
[16:47] <lanoxx-> the can work side by side
[16:47] <lanoxx-> if you choose manual partitioning you should be able to choose ext4
[16:47] <Raylz> hil: amazing kernil panic :)
[16:47] <Raylz> only saw that at bootup
[16:47] <htrejh> hi
[16:47] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: So, I can partition with the new format and all will be well?
[16:48] <htrejh> vlc in jaunty opens movies in an extern window, is that a bug? i hate that
[16:49] <hil>  Raylz: they should really make crashes more entertaining, hehe. Like loosing a level in an arcade game or so. That would make testing way more funny.
[16:49] <Castawayz> so uhh i know we dont get support yet for jaunty but i can no longer update on my laptop bunch of errors
[16:49] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, there is something about setting the writeoncommit i belive not sure how you set that though
[16:50] <Raylz> hil: or like the guru :)
[16:50] <Raylz> or a message like karam-=1
[16:50] <Raylz> karma*
[16:50] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, there has been a discussion about ext4 losing data if the systems crashes. there have been a couple of workarounds provided but im not sure how to activate them or if they are included in jaunty yet
[16:51] <hil> Raylz: yah, more of ,harhar ;)
[16:51] <lanoxx-> htrejh, maybe you can change that in the settings?
[16:51] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: I'm not worried about losing data.  This will be an independent install.  for testing only.
[16:52] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, in that case go ahead
[16:52] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: should be fun
[16:52] <lanoxx-> yeah, definitely
[16:52] <JorgeJorgesson> Is there any perfomance boost with 64bit?
[16:52] <hil> Raylz: like -> ˙pǝɥsɐɹɔ puɐ uʍop-ǝpısdn pǝʇooq 'ʎɹɹos  ;)
[16:52] <htrejh> lanoxx-: yeah you can but doesn't change
[16:52] <htrejh> it falls back to glx output
[16:53] <lanoxx-> only for apps that do alot of calculation, like mysql
[16:53] <lanoxx-> or scientific programs
[16:53] <Raylz> hil: woot xD
[16:53] <lanoxx-> since these apps can do calculations with long datatypes in one step
[16:53] <PhotoJim> JorgeJorgesson: there can actually be a performance hit in some situations, but overall, not a lot of difference with most stuff.
[16:54] <Raylz> lanoxx-: the key is to reduce the write times to 5 secs
[16:54] <JorgeJorgesson> PhotoJim: so, it is mostly for the memory management?
[16:54] <lanoxx-> htrejh, then you might file a bug against it
[16:54] <lanoxx-> Raylz, is that already std in jaunty?
[16:54] <htrejh> but can someone test out too ? maybe a local problem due to config :p
[16:54] <Raylz> lanoxx-: puh, dunno
[16:54] <lanoxx-> Raylz, it used to be 120sec i believe
[16:54] <PhotoJim> JorgeJorgesson: yep, and as lanoxx mentioned, some calculation can be quicker.
[16:55] <Raylz> lanoxx-: something around 60secs
[16:55] <Raylz> dunno :)
[16:55] <lanoxx-> well nvm
[16:57] <Raylz> ack
[16:57] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, exactly, as long as you dont run high performance tasks you wont notice much, one more thing is that you will be able to use the 64bit instructions set of you cpu but thats just a minor boost
[16:58] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: well, lets see what happens!  I'll give it a shot.
[16:59] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, yeah, good luck :)
[16:59]  * Raylz actually wanted to use amd64 jaunty but took the wrong iso :/
[16:59] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: I just wish wireless support was better\
[17:00] <lanoxx-> JorgeJorgesson, yeah, its a pitty that many companies dont provide linux drivers, but i thing with the ever growing market share of linux this will change soon
[17:01] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: let's hope
[17:02] <lanoxx-> Hope is a good thing :)
[17:08] <lanoxx-> htrejh, i just installed vlc and tried it, for me its x11 too
[17:08] <lanoxx-> htrejh, it might be related to the fact that im running inside virtual box though
[17:09] <htrejh> same problem here, will report it :)
[17:10] <lanoxx-> htrejh, ok, thx
[17:10] <lanoxx-> htrejh, please post the link when you have reported it
[17:12]  * lupine_85 dist-upgrades a weeks worth of jaunty
[17:12] <PhotoJim> I'm doing the same.  153 MB.
[17:12] <lanoxx-> does anyone know what happend to the skype developement for linux? they havent released an updated for years it seems
[17:12] <htrejh> lanoxx-: will do it later...
[17:13] <lanoxx-> ok, nvm then
[17:13] <lanoxx-> a few days ago i booted into windows to fetch a few things and btw did an update to skype 4, thats so different now
[17:16] <jeiworth> lanoxx-: hmm might run under wine...
[17:16] <crowfax> what's the launchpad page for the Python upgrade issue?
[17:16] <lanoxx-> jeiworth, i dont think so, but i will give it a try
[17:17] <jeiworth> lanoxx-: juust make sure you have the latest wine isntalled ;)
[17:17] <lanoxx-> jeiworth, did you try it? i have 1.1.18
[17:18] <lanoxx-> but the appdb suggests its garbage
[17:19] <wompy> Exilant: sry,my internet-connection broke down. how do i check if port 80 is blocked?
[17:20] <jeiworth> lanoxx-: nope, i haven't tried it yet but i am playing with the idea too ;) let me know if it works
[17:21] <jpds> wompy: sudo apt-get install nmap; nmap -A -v -p 80 localhost
[17:21] <lanoxx-> just downloading it
[17:23] <lupine_85> time to reboot and see what happens I guess
[17:27] <lanoxx-> jeiworth, http://pastebin.com/f6c7eb7ea, the installer failed for me, here is the log
[17:29] <jeiworth> lanoxx-: ok, seems to point at missing vbruntime7 installation, you have .net installed?
[17:30] <lanoxx-> jeiworth, nope, can i do that with winetricks?
[17:30] <jeiworth> i think .net 2 is supported by winetricks
[17:31] <lanoxx-> ok, btw. where do i get the latest version
[17:31] <lanoxx-> of winetricks
[17:31] <jeiworth> on winehq.org, just use the site search and the first result is it ;)
[17:33] <JorgeJorgesson> Is there any pinball game without opengl?
[17:34] <lanoxx-> i didnt know that dotnet requires a windows licence
[17:35] <JorgeJorgesson> lanoxx-: there must be an open source alternative
[17:36] <lupine_85> Mono ?
[17:36] <lanoxx-> yeah there is mono ofcourse but im not sure if you can install mono into wine
[17:37] <lanoxx-> that would be funny though
[17:37] <lanoxx-> mono is however only protected by ms agreements with novel
[17:37] <lanoxx-> thats is very weak since noboddy knows for sure whats in side the agreement
[17:37] <lupine_85> oh, Ubuntu doesn't seem to support my laptop's turn-the-trackpad-off button...
[17:37] <lupine_85> can has fix plz?
[17:38] <lanoxx-> what laptop do you have?
[17:38]  * lupine_85 doesn't live in a region that believes in software patents, so the MS-Novell arrangement isn't much of an issue to him
[17:38] <lupine_85> HP G60
[17:38]  * lupine_85 peeks to see if the button has an X event associated
[17:39] <lupine_85> nope
[17:40] <lupine_85> it does appear in dmesg though - it seems to be handled as part of the keyboard driver
[17:40] <lupine_85> #[  909.015667] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e058 <keycode>' to make it known.
[17:40] <lupine_85> anyone know which X event it should be bound to? (or if there is an X event for it?)
[17:41] <Ryukenden> cwillu: pink
[17:41] <Ryukenden> cwillu: ping
[17:41] <lanoxx-> jeiworth, installed .NET2, same error
[17:42] <lanoxx-> thats good
[17:42] <lanoxx-> lupine_85, thats good, software patents are so bad
[17:42] <lanoxx-> jeiworth, any other suggestion
[17:42] <jeiworth> lanoxx-: hmm
[17:44] <jeiworth> is it an exe or msi?
[17:44] <lanoxx-> jeiworth, actually a little different http://pastebin.com/f60503c56
[17:44] <lanoxx-> exe
[17:46] <lupine_85> grrrr, no suitable key in X
[17:47] <lupine_85> which suggests that I need to bind it to F13 -> F24 somewhere and write a custom handler.. or something
[17:48] <sagredo> crdlb: hi :)
[17:48] <crdlb> sagredo: ok, you need to edit that Makefile
[17:49] <jeiworth> lanoxx-: ok, seems to be a common problem with newer win-software, as e.g. office 2007...
[17:49] <lanoxx-> did you search for these errors?
[17:49] <crdlb> sagredo: make both pkg-config lines contain 'gnome-vfs-2.0 libgnome-menu' after last library
[17:49] <jeiworth> {24E669E1-E90F-4595-A012-B0FD3CCC5C5A} Causality Manager for VS7 debugger
[17:49] <crdlb> sagredo: and remove that -lgnome-menu, pkg-config will provide it
[17:50] <sagredo> crdlb: thanks a lot my friend, I'll give it a shot
[17:51] <lanoxx-> jeiworth, hmm
[17:51] <biberao> hi
[17:51] <biberao> i tried to do update manager -d but it says failed to authenticate or other problem found it says
[17:52] <biberao> any idea?
[17:52] <sagredo> crdlb: what syntax is the pkg-config
[17:52] <Castawayz> When I try to update I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m7ea12812
[17:52] <crdlb> sagredo: that stuff goes after gnome-desktop-2.0 and before the `
[17:53] <sagredo> crdlb: cheers
[17:53] <smoddy> If I install a Jaunty beta, will I be able to move to the final release without a full reinstall?
[17:53] <sagredo> smoddy: good question
[17:53] <crdlb> !beta
[17:54] <biberao> crdlb,
[17:54] <biberao> i did update-manager -d and it says problems authenticating
[17:54] <BluesKaj> smoddy, yes
[17:54] <biberao> or other problems with network or server
[17:54] <Castawayz> yeah i have the same prob bib
[17:54] <Castawayz> i dont have that problem on another machine where i did a clean install
[17:54] <biberao> atleast not me only
[17:54] <biberao> :p
[17:54] <Castawayz> and not an update
[17:55] <biberao> i think
[17:55] <smoddy> BluesKaj: using aptitude as you would for, say 8.04->8.10?
[17:55] <Castawayz> http://pastebin.com/m7ea12812 my error
[17:56] <sagredo> crdlb: some compilation errors, src/main.c:188: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘gtk_main’
[17:56] <sagredo> src/main.c:190: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘gmenu_tree_item_unref
[17:56] <biberao> the problem must be gpg?
[17:58] <crdlb> sagredo: ok, I just tried it here and it works (with my changes)
[17:58] <biberao> crdlb, any advise?
[17:58] <Castawayz> biberao, basically with jaunty youre on your own, it's not supported
[17:58]  * crdlb has no idea
[17:59] <sagredo> crdlb: this is what I edited the file to
[17:59] <biberao> oh ok
[17:59] <biberao> thx
[17:59] <biberao> :p
[17:59] <bjsnider> biberao, be more specific than that
[17:59] <biberao> bjsnider,  about what?
[17:59] <bjsnider> "it says problems authenticating"
[18:00] <biberao> ya
[18:00] <sagredo> LIBS = `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 gnome-desktop-2.0 gnome-vfs-2.0 libgnome-menu`
[18:00] <biberao> i cant be more specific
[18:00] <Afifi> hi
[18:00] <sagredo> syntax looks correct to me :/
[18:00] <biberao> if its what it says
[18:00] <biberao> Lol
[18:00] <biberao> :|
[18:00] <crdlb> sagredo: did you change CFLAGS too?
[18:00] <sagredo> crdlb: yes. :/
[18:01] <crdlb> did you get an error from pkg-config?
[18:01] <crdlb> "No package "whatever" found"
[18:02] <Afifi> how to change the default user settings ?
[18:02] <sagredo> -lgnome-menu: unknown option
[18:02] <sagredo> hrmmm
[18:02] <biberao> bjsnider, :|
[18:02] <bjsnider> what?
[18:03] <biberao> bjsnider,
[18:03] <biberao> it says
[18:03] <Afifi> any one can help me plz
[18:03] <sagredo> crdlb: I got it :)
[18:03] <biberao> cant authenticate
[18:03] <biberao> or something
[18:04] <wompy> jpds: nmap says: Interesting ports on localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>):
[18:04] <wompy> PORT   STATE  SERVICE VERSION
[18:04] <wompy> 80/tcp closed http
[18:04] <bjsnider> biberao, well, that's helpful
[18:04] <biberao> there could be a problem
[18:04] <bjsnider> try googling the exact error message
[18:04] <biberao> with the server or network
[18:04] <biberao> bjsnider, so how can i provide you more info if its what it says??
[18:04] <wompy> how do i open the port?
[18:04] <funkyHat> wompy: run a web server?
[18:05] <sagredo> wompy: likely your router's configuration
[18:05] <wompy> funkyHat: no,firefox does not browse to www.google.com
[18:05] <wompy> but the ping is ok
[18:06] <wompy> sagredo: so which setting should do the job,so i am able to browse on every machine in the network
[18:09] <sagredo> wompy: for my router I adjust virtual servers to unblock ports
[18:10] <wompy> is that difficult?
[18:10] <sagredo> wompy: takes a few seconds normally
[18:10] <antoranz> HI, guys!
[18:10] <sagredo> wompy: navigate to <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:10] <antoranz> why was DRI disabled from 82865 chipsets? :'(
[18:10] <wompy> yeah,the router-page
[18:10] <wompy> and than?
[18:10] <sagredo> antoranz: I wish I knew
[18:11] <sagredo> wompy: look for 'port forwarding' or 'virtual servers'
[18:11] <wompy> ok
[18:12] <wompy> then portforwarding for port 80?
[18:12] <funkyHat> wompy: why do you need to open port 80 to browse the web?
[18:13] <wompy> someone in this channel said i should proof if block 80 is blocked
[18:14] <funkyHat> wompy: perhaps they misunderstood your problem. opening port 80 on your router is opening the incoming port 80, you would do that if you had a web server running locally
[18:14] <wompy> ok
[18:14] <funkyHat> wompy: outgoing connections should be allowed by default anyway, assuming you're using a standard hardware router. Sounds more likely that you have a DNS problem
[18:15] <homy> Will ext4 be ok for productive environments once jaunty goes final?
[18:15] <wompy> i thought about a dns problem, but someone said, then ping www.google.de would not work
[18:15] <antoranz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/304871
[18:16] <td123> homy: ext4 is not as time tested as ext3 so... it's your call (ext3 would be if you can't afford to have any bugs)
[18:16] <Laruft> why is knotes still part of the kubuntu distro.. I'd have thought the plasma widget notepad would replace it
[18:16] <antoranz> is that the final resolution? DRI will be off with jaunty for my chipset?
[18:16] <funkyHat> wompy: are you using a linux router like ipcop or something?
[18:16] <cwillu> antoranz, one sec
[18:16] <td123> homy: and ext4 still isn't fully implemented (as in some parts aren't finished, but they have most of it working)
[18:17] <homy> oh, I thought it would be finished? Wasn't it renamed from ext4dev to ext4 in 2.6.28, which jaunty will ship with?
[18:17] <cwillu> td123, well, it really is, the existence of stuff to do in the future doesn't mean it's not fully implemented
[18:17] <cwillu> antoranz, I suggest reading the remainder of the comments :p
[18:17] <wompy> i dont know what router it is..its a router from a internet-company called arcor
[18:18] <antoranz> that's what I', doing
[18:18] <antoranz> keep your shirt on. :-)
[18:18] <cwillu> antoranz, i.e, "dri is working fine now" is the final resolution
[18:18] <antoranz> not in my case, man
[18:18] <antoranz> let me show you what I see in xorg's log:
[18:19] <td123> cwillu: ok, some of the features aren't implemented yet
[18:19] <kklimonda> homy: it is considered stable by devs but there still might be some bug they have missed. ext3 has been in use for years so it's safer for critical systems.
[18:19] <antoranz> DRI is disabled because it fails to run on 845G and 865G chips
[18:19] <cwillu> antoranz, paste me the line you get from lspci|grep -i vga
[18:19] <antoranz> ok, hold on
[18:19] <BluesKaj> wompy, it wouldn't hurt to know the name and model of the router
[18:19] <homy> ok.
[18:19] <antoranz> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[18:19] <cwillu> antoranz, that bug is unrelated to 865
[18:20] <cwillu> give me a sec to find you the right one
[18:20] <antoranz> twell.. that's what the log is telling me to look at (LP 304871)
[18:20] <antoranz> the full line says:
[18:20] <antoranz> (**) intel(0): DRI is disabled because it fails to run on 845G and 865G chips. (See LP 304871)
[18:21] <antoranz> that's why I headed myself to that bug
[18:21] <cwillu> antoranz, and that bug says that 865 is a different issue :p
[18:21] <centaur5> Could anybody tell me where I can get information on how to join a client to a LDAP server in Jaunty? net join -U user doesn't work anymore so I try net ads join -U user and get errors.
[18:21] <antoranz> ok.... let me get to the end.
[18:21] <cwillu> """This bug is ONLY for the issue on i845 graphics. While the same symptom can be seen with 855 and 865, the workaround and solution is different."""
[18:21] <antoranz> I'm not even halfway
[18:21] <cwillu> is the second sentence of the bug report
[18:21] <wompy> BluesKaj: sry,but i've to ask my friend evertime,takes some time. the router is called:  easy box a300 wlan
[18:22] <cwillu> again, give me a second to find the report that's related to the 865
[18:22] <sagredo> crdlb: thanks again dude, peace!
[18:23] <cwillu> antoranz, that's funny actually, I just closed that bug as fix released like half an hour ago because the reporter says it's working fine now with a stock xorg.conf
[18:23] <cwillu> antoranz, can you move your xorg.conf aside and restart x and confirm whether it is actually fixed or not?
[18:23] <antoranz> oh, well... I'm Edmundo actually
[18:23] <cwillu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/343690
[18:24] <antoranz> I guess ur carey
[18:24] <cwillu> "It's OK. I just rebooted and it's working normally. I'll come back to
[18:24] <cwillu> it if I see the bug is back."
[18:24] <cwillu> you lied to me! :)
[18:24] <antoranz> no, actually... i didn't lie to u
[18:24] <antoranz> I just hadn't noticed I had no acceleration
[18:24] <cwillu> ah, k
[18:25] <Turl> hi, what an odd thing
[18:25] <antoranz> otherwise, it's perfect
[18:25] <FoxBlitzz> Kubuntu Jaunty Beta, system completely locks up when attempting to drag Flexible Space to Firefox toolbars
[18:25] <Turl> jaunty broke my wifi today
[18:25] <cwillu> anyways, that bug is the one you should be on
[18:25] <antoranz> so I headed into the log and found that line I told you about
[18:25] <antoranz> the driver (apparently) is turning DRI for my chipset
[18:26] <antoranz> so... do I add what I found in the log and complain? :-D
[18:26] <cwillu> hang on
[18:26] <FoxBlitzz> I'm assuming this channel is also for Kubuntu since #kubuntu+1 redirects to here?
[18:26] <cwillu> you're running an empty xorg.conf right, right?
[18:26] <cwillu> FoxBlitzz, yes
[18:26] <cwillu> antoranz, pastebin me your current /var/log/xorg.0.log
[18:26] <wompy> BluesKaj: what information do you need about the box,so i can do a research
[18:26] <antoranz> sure
[18:27] <bobble> How come I don't see the update-manager update notifications after upgrade to jaunty?
[18:27] <Turl> bobble: check if they are enabled on the "applications on start"
[18:28] <antoranz> cwillu: http://www.pastebin.ca/1381930
[18:28] <bobble> Turl: Where is that?
[18:28] <Turl> system->preferences->applications on start
[18:28] <antoranz> line 255
[18:28] <bobble> Turl: It's there
[18:29] <BluesKaj> wompy , are you trying to authorize applications to run on your LAN ?
[18:29] <cwillu> antoranz, give me glxinfo
[18:29] <antoranz> sure
[18:29] <bobble> Turl: And I know there are updates waiting.
[18:30] <Turl> bobble: then system->administration->update manager->preferences and check checking is enabled
[18:31] <wompy> BluesKaj: no, my friend got a fresh new install of ubuntu 9.04 netbook remix and is able to ping www.google.com but not able to browse with firefox
[18:31] <wompy> BluesKaj: he is also able to go to the router-website and its a wireless connection
[18:31] <antoranz> cwillu: http://www.pastebin.ca/1381936
[18:31] <bobble> Turl: It is enabled
[18:31] <wompy> the wired connection works
[18:32] <antoranz> it says I have direct rendering
[18:32] <antoranz> ???
[18:32] <Wicla> Hello. I created /etc/modprobe.d/options and changed some usb module options. But it warns me that it won't be used in future releases. Now to my question: What number sequence and name should usb-configuration files have?
[18:32] <cwillu> antoranz, yes, but using the software rasterizer
[18:33] <Turl> bobble: then wait. it might take time to check for the updates :)
[18:33] <antoranz> Ok, saw it
[18:33] <Wicla> or doesn't it matter what name the configuration file has, it just need to exist?
[18:33] <cwillu> antoranz, how bad is performance?
[18:34] <BluesKaj> wompy , it's not Firefox then , it's your wifi setup that needs to be configured
[18:34] <bobble> Turl: I did aptitude update
[18:34] <cwillu> antoranz, I don't recall that the 865 ever ran compiz particularily well, for instance,
[18:34] <Turl> bobble: but the update manager didn't
[18:34] <FoxBlitzz> Also, is anyone else noticing really weird glitches with image resizing in Firefox/Konqueror?
[18:34] <antoranz> well.... I use kwin's 3D effects... and noticed they weren't there
[18:34] <antoranz> not that I use them heavily... I'm no gamer
[18:35] <antoranz> yet I liked hitting ctrl-F10 and choose the application I wanted to work on
[18:35] <FoxBlitzz> Like, graphics on YouTube are garbled
[18:35] <FoxBlitzz> Video itself seems to display fine (even runs better than Windows!)
[18:35] <wompy> BluesKaj: but which setting could be wrong? Its bizarre,that he is able to ping websites, to go to the routers website but not able to use firefox or pidgin
[18:36] <cwillu> antoranz, can you try the settings listed at http://pastebin.com/d79acc297
[18:36] <cwillu> antoranz, except use exa instead of uxa
[18:37] <antoranz> ok... give me some minutes so I can try
[18:37] <mnemo> when is todays daily build due? im look here --> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:37] <BluesKaj> wompy, what about konqueror ?
[18:37] <antoranz> hold on
[18:37] <wompy> doesnt work,also tried w3m
[18:37] <FoxBlitzz> How are images rendered in Qt4 anyway? Are they routed to the video card in any manner?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> wompy, usually the router hosts it's own page
[18:38] <FoxBlitzz> Like, browser images
[18:38] <fserve> anyone with sound regression using Realtek HDA DSP ?
[18:38] <mnemo> FoxBlitzz: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.0/qt4-arthur.html
[18:38] <Turl> wompy: DNS down?
[18:38] <wompy> BluesKaj: yes,thats clear, its just a proof that the connection works
[18:39] <Turl> wompy: try OpenDNS dnses -> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:39] <antoranz> with exaNoComposite true?
[18:39] <FoxBlitzz> So I'm assuming part of it is OpenGL?
[18:39] <FoxBlitzz> Guess I might drop down to the generic vesa drivers and see what happens.
[18:40] <FoxBlitzz> In the meantime, is it possible to install the fglrx drivers? I'd like to see what kinds of improvements/regressions they have.   Starting conservative :)
[18:41] <antoranz> k
[18:41] <antoranz> let me give it some tries
[18:41] <wompy> Turl: how do i proof it. someone said earlier this day, ping www.google.de wouldn't work then
[18:42] <Turl> wompy: then you might be having a bad gateway
[18:42] <Turl> try "dig A turleando.com.ar"
[18:42] <Turl> and see if that works
[18:43] <wompy> Turl: is that a command?
[18:43] <Turl> wompy: yep
[18:52] <wompy> funkyHat: the host-command does nothing
[18:52] <wompy> Turl: the dig command does also nothing
[18:53] <Turl> wompy: then you have DNS down.
[18:53] <Turl> wompy: try OpenDNS -> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:54] <wompy> Turl: so i type in "OpenDNS -> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>" ?
[18:54] <Turl> wompy: nope
[18:55] <Turl> in network manager right click and click edit connections
[18:55] <cwillu> antoranz, and?
[18:55] <antoranz> cwillu, u there?
[18:55] <Turl> look for the connection you use and click edit wompy
[18:55] <antoranz> well
[18:55]  * cwillu hides
[18:55] <antoranz> with the options you told me to try, It started... no acceleration though
[18:55] <Turl> wompy: then go to the 'ipv4
[18:55] <Turl> 'i4pv settings' tab* wompy
[18:55] <cwillu> antoranz, are you still running under that config?
[18:56] <antoranz> I tried just with uxa and it went into a repetitive cicles of X restarts (I guess it was because of having started kdm instead of X directly)
[18:56] <wompy> Turl: yes
[18:56] <antoranz> ah..... I think I'm only using DRI true and exa
[18:56] <Turl> wompy: select "only automatic addresses (dhcp)" and on "dns servers type "<IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>" without the quotes
[18:56] <antoranz> the others are disabled
[18:56] <Turl> wompy: save and apply all, and then reconnect
[18:57] <cwillu> antoranz, the aim is to get exa working as well as we can.  There's basically no chance of us switching to uxa for jaunty afaik
[18:57] <Turl> and it should work now
[18:57] <ikonia> jack|ass: alternative or server cd works for you
[18:57] <antoranz> so, what's next for me?
[18:58]  * BluesKaj wonders what happened to knetwork manager in jaunty. Had to install it ...strange :P
[18:58] <jack|ass> ikonia: ok.  I'll download alternative then. :)
[18:58] <antoranz> it is saying DRI is disabled in the log
[18:59] <cwillu> antoranz, can I get you to file a bug "DRI disabled with i865", with the basic details + lspci -vvnn + (stock) xorg.conf + xorg.0.log?
[18:59] <cwillu> antoranz, and then send me the link to it
[19:00] <antoranz> sure.... you don't want me to go on with our old bug?
[19:00] <cwillu> bug 343690 is fixed for all intents and purposes (x is starting now), and we're trying to keep the bug reports nice and focussed on the topic at hand :)
[19:00] <Turl> wompy: did it work?
[19:01] <imachine> any issues with ext4
[19:01] <imachine> ?
[19:01] <imachine> I have some situations where it just *hangs*
[19:01] <cwillu> imachine, yep :)
[19:01] <antoranz> ok
[19:01] <imachine> works okay but during lots of disk actitivity
[19:01] <imachine> it just fails.
[19:01] <imachine> cwillu, any solutions ?
[19:01] <imachine> I have it mounted with relatime
[19:01] <antoranz> do I point to intel's driver?
[19:01] <imachine> that's it
[19:01] <wompy> Turl: sry, takes some time, ive to write it to my friend whos netbook doesnt work, he is now reconnecting,wait a sec
[19:01] <cwillu> imachine, we're getting it nailed down, it's one of three patches that caused it (or rather, makes it show up far more often than in mainline)
[19:01] <imachine> cwillu, rest was done according to kernelnewbies, moved from ext3
[19:02] <cwillu> imachine, there are mainline kernel builds available in a ppa now, and those don't show the problem
[19:02] <cwillu> imachine, it's deletes that trigger it
[19:02] <imachine> okay
[19:02] <imachine> yes1
[19:02] <imachine> !
[19:02] <imachine> but it's only gnome deltes, methink.
[19:02] <cwillu> ?
[19:02] <imachine> when I delete using rm or so, I don't have problems... or didn't, at least.
[19:02] <cwillu> no, it's any delete, but it's not _every_ delete
[19:02] <imachine> okay
[19:02] <imachine> also, my swap doesn't get mounted on boot.
[19:02] <imachine> any clues?
[19:03] <cwillu> took me 3 days to pin it down because of how it likes to hide :)
[19:03] <imachine> I think I found a bug as well, where by selecting something in gnome, you get elevated to root level.
[19:03] <cwillu> imachine, no idea offhand, aside from checking that fstab is showing the right uuid/device, etc
[19:03] <imachine> not good!
[19:03] <imachine> cwillu, it is
[19:03] <cwillu> what does swapon -s say?
[19:03] <imachine> any way to rebuild fstab?
[19:03] <cwillu> sudo swapon -a, rather
[19:04] <imachine> swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/fa13ab2a-465d-4a44-9f7a-916f4863beaf: No such file or directory
[19:04] <imachine> wooo
[19:04] <imachine> okay, problem solved
[19:04] <imachine> ;p
[19:04] <cwillu> okay, so the uuid is wrong :p
[19:04] <imachine> yeah it seems that way
[19:04] <imachine> I'll fix it chers
[19:04] <imachine> that root thing is nasty tho
[19:05] <imachine> try for yourself. go into system administration software properties, try adding a new key, you'll be browsing the system as root.
[19:06] <cwillu> imachine, you have to enter a password to get into system administration software properties though
[19:06] <cwillu> that's why it's running as root, because you authorized it
[19:06] <wompy> Turl: he says firefox does not work, ping works
[19:06] <antoranz> cwillu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/355258
[19:07] <Turl> wompy: and dig?
[19:07] <cwillu> antoranz, thanks
[19:07] <antoranz> sure... anytime.. specially if you'll give me acceleration back. :-)
[19:07] <imachine> cwillu, yes. but it still browses starting in /root
[19:07] <cwillu> antoranz, ugh, attach files rather than including them inline next time :p
[19:07] <imachine> cwillu, which shouldn't work that way
[19:08] <antoranz> that's what I'll do for the next submits (xorgs and logs)
[19:08] <cwillu> imachine, it's not a security vulnerability though
[19:08] <cwillu> you're browsing as root, that's the point
[19:08] <imachine> cwillu, yea, figures.
[19:08] <antoranz> but by the page, only one attachment is possible, right?
[19:08] <Linuxrevolution> cant see update notify on panel!
[19:08] <imachine> cwillu, but you should browse as yourself.
[19:09] <cwillu> antoranz, add yourself as a subscriber, and then you can send emails with multiple attachments which do the sensible thing.  There's just no launchpad ui for it yet
[19:09] <imachine> cwillu, not as the user you elevate yourself too, ideally, the whole process should not be ran as root and it's subprocesses, but only parts of the process.
[19:09] <antoranz> that's what I'll do, man. No offenses, ok? :-P
[19:09] <cwillu> imachine, you elevate yourself to root when you run it though
[19:09] <imachine> cwillu, so the entire app is probably requiring a bit of a rewrite. I'd think. not sure how it's done ;]
[19:10] <imachine> cwillu, not exactly I suppose. is it running as root?
[19:10] <imachine> or does it just get a knob that hey I'm root whenever I need to be
[19:10] <cwillu> imachine, any time you run a command with sudo, you're running that command as root
[19:10] <imachine> I thought it's not ran with sudo
[19:10] <cwillu> gksudo
[19:10] <imachine> I thought it's more like policykit
[19:10] <cwillu> same thing
[19:10] <imachine> where you get only a particular part of an application
[19:10] <imachine> and that particular part of it runs as root
[19:10] <Linuxrevolution> there are too many files for downloading but I cant see notify on panel
[19:10] <cwillu> no, we're not moved over to that completely
[19:10] <imachine> not the entire process
[19:10] <imachine> okay np
[19:11] <imachine> just something to think about then since it looks eeky ;P
[19:11] <imachine> okaygot food here
[19:11] <imachine> talk to you later :)
[19:11] <imachine> thanks for the info regarding ext4
[19:11] <wompy> Turl: ; <<>> DiG 9.5.1-P2 <<>> A turleando.com.ar
[19:11] <wompy> ;; global options:  printcmd
[19:11] <wompy> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[19:11] <Turl> wompy: then internet OR dns do not work
[19:11] <Turl> I'd go his internet connection is offline
[19:12] <wompy> but he is able to use the wired lan
[19:12] <wompy> over the same router
[19:13] <cwillu> antoranz, attach the xorg.0.log from an empty xorg.conf file
[19:13] <cwillu> antoranz, rather than the Xorg -configure
[19:13] <cwillu> (don't bother with the Xorg -configure)
[19:13] <antoranz> k
[19:14] <antoranz> well....  Is it generally easy to update from 9.04 beta to the full release? I want to try out 9.04, but not sure if I should wait for the full release. I don't want to have to re-install from scratch after trying the beta for a couple of weeks.
[19:19] <cwillu> StevenX, yes, any jaunty install is the same as any other once they're updated, for the most part
[19:19] <cwillu> StevenX, however, if this is a machine you can't live without, you really shouldn't upgrade until it's been released
[19:19] <sebsebseb> StevenX: probably  best to wait untill final then put it on properly with Ext4 :)
[19:19] <cwillu> Make sure you read the release notes at a minimum
[19:19] <wompy> Turl: sry,i dont understand. how does the ISP not work, if he is able to browse with firefox to google.com over wired lan? Behind the router the connection is the same, if he uses wlan or wired lan or not?
[19:20] <StevenX> Are people not using ext4 already?
[19:20] <sebsebseb> StevenX: that is,  /  in  Ext4,    small  home in Ext3, because of  an issue with Gnome and KDE data files being saved onto Ext4,  and a data partition in Ext4, as well as your swap
[19:20] <cwillu> StevenX, we're not using ext4 by default in jaunty
[19:20] <Turl> wompy: LAN works, he can access <IP_ADDRESS> for example. WLAN doesn't work, he can't access turleando.com.ar or google.com
[19:20] <StevenX> will it be supported cwillu, even if not default?
[19:20] <cwillu> sebsebseb, the dataloss issue was fixed afaik gnome and kde are concerned more than a month ago though
[19:21] <sebsebseb> cwillu: isn't it still best to have home in Ext3?
[19:21] <cwillu> StevenX, I believe so, although there are a couple of latent issues there that should be fixed by the time release comes around
[19:21] <sebsebseb> cwillu: and do the rest in Ext4?
[19:21] <cwillu> sebsebseb, no, not really
[19:21] <cwillu> sebsebseb, you're losing most of the benefit of extents, for instance, and all of the benefit of fsync being quick
[19:21] <sebsebseb> cwillu: I was told that the home partition is where the issue is, because of how Gnome and KDE save the files.
[19:22] <sebsebseb> cwillu: what I mean is to use only home for the .folders as Ext3, everything else Ext4
[19:22] <cwillu> sebsebseb, and I'm telling you know that that issue has been resolved :p
[19:22] <wompy> Turl: LAN works also with Internet, he is able to go to google.com
[19:22] <cwillu> as of 2.6.28-11 I believe
[19:22] <wompy> Turl: so i think its not the problem of the isp or?
[19:22] <Turl> wompy: tell him to restart his router and modem
[19:22] <sebsebseb> cwillu: so your saying Gnome and KDE can now, save their  files properly onto Ext4?
[19:23] <cwillu> sebsebseb, and have for some time
[19:23] <sebsebseb> cwillu: ok
[19:23] <cwillu> sebsebseb, basically, any process that renames a file overtop of the existing file (which is how kde and gnome do it) have a special case in ext4 to force an fsync
[19:23] <sebsebseb> cwillu: so no issues with Ext4 anymore???
[19:24] <cwillu> sebsebseb, pidgin had some braindamage due to a well-intentioned-but-ill-conceived windows workaround, but beyond that
[19:24] <cwillu> sebsebseb, well, and deleting files can currently cause the machine to hard lock :p
[19:24] <sebsebseb> cwillu: well my upgrade install here. from 8.10 to alpha6, to beta, hasn't quite gone right.  so maybe I should clean install the beta and do Ext4, instead of waiting for final.   Pidgin has issues still???
[19:24] <cwillu> but that's due to one of our patches, not upstream
[19:25] <cwillu> sebsebseb, I don't use pidgin day to day, so I haven't been following the bug
[19:25] <sebsebseb> cwillu: well I use it daily
[19:25] <cwillu> I wouldn't be surprised if it's been patched in jaunty already though
[19:25] <cwillu> sebsebseb, you're running a pre-release os, you really should have good backups anyway
[19:25] <sebsebseb> cwillu: well I got a seperate home
[19:25] <sebsebseb> cwillu: partition
[19:25] <cwillu> no, that's not a good answer :p
[19:26] <cwillu> your 'seperate home' is still mounted
[19:26] <sebsebseb> cwillu: and no important data as such on here
[19:26] <cwillu> and so any major bug can still kill it
[19:26] <sebsebseb> cwillu: true, but I doubt there would be one
[19:27] <sebsebseb> cwillu: that would result in partitions being wiped
[19:27] <sebsebseb> cwillu: and espeasilly not know when it's beta
[19:28] <sebsebseb> cwillu: maybe in alpha1 or 2, but  beta I doubt it
[19:28] <cwillu> sebsebseb, um, things still happen
[19:28] <cwillu> seperate home doesn't buy you anything except an easy reinstall
[19:28] <lupine_85> hummm, I'm getting the thing with the nvidia proprietary driver where it doesn't do redraws properly
[19:29] <sebsebseb> cwillu: well maybe I should back up a few things into Vista :D  that I don't want to lose or onto a usb stick
[19:29] <lupine_85> cwillu, I generally use a separate $HOME in LVM
[19:29] <cwillu> there's no protection whatsoever from (say) a broken patch in the fs layer that clobbers something :p
[19:29] <sebsebseb> cwillu: only small files anyway
[19:29] <cwillu> lupine_85, yay, so you've got one more major system that if broken would cause data loss :)
[19:29] <lupine_85> LVM is the win
[19:29] <sebsebseb> cwillu: well I am doing 9.04 on Ext3,  and Ext3 is rather stable. so I guess ther won't be a fs bug
[19:29] <td123> sebsebseb: just create a backup partition and mount it only to create backups on it... that would remove the need for an externel drive
[19:29]  * cwillu uses lvm, but he also does a nightly backup to a different machine
[19:29]  * lupine_85 is using ext4 now, but sans lvm
[19:30] <antoranz> cwillu: got i?
[19:30] <lupine_85> one particular machine is mdraid (level 1) -> lvm -> ext3
[19:30] <cwillu> antoranz, sorry?
[19:30] <lupine_85> I can't be bothered migrating it to ext4
[19:30] <antoranz> the logs and hacked xorg.conf
[19:30] <antoranz> they are already filed in the bug
[19:30] <lupine_85> but that $HOME is shared between several different linux distros, and needs resizing from time to time, whereas the various roots are all fairly statically-sized
[19:30] <td123> lupine_85: ya, reconfiguring a system sucks :D
[19:30] <sebsebseb> td123: well  hard disks can fail, and so important data should be backed up else where as well,  people shoudn't just use  the hard disk, as the major storage device, with no back ups
[19:31] <lupine_85> yep, and raid is not a backup
[19:31] <sebsebseb> td123: putting stuff into another partition on the same hard disk, is not really a backup
[19:31] <lupine_85> which is a shame
[19:31] <cwillu> antoranz, thanks
[19:31]  * lupine_85 hasn't backed up for a while, actually - should do something about that
[19:31] <antoranz> nou problemo :-)
[19:31] <cwillu> antoranz, ugh, they got sent as 'application/octet-stream', which doesn't open in the browser :(
[19:32] <antoranz> download then (I guess)
[19:32] <td123> sebsebseb: you said that you had a /home partition as a 'backup' so how could you say that?
[19:32]  * sebsebseb is thinking  about running 9.04 in a vm inside this setup, because the upgrades have borked.  it seems I don't have a proper fully working 9.04 install.  for example no log in sound,  a KDE4 that is still buggered up, etc
[19:32] <sebsebseb> then in the vm I can at least see, what I meant to have :d
[19:33] <sebsebseb> td123: no  I have no backups
[19:33] <lupine_85> sebsebseb, 9.04 upgrades worked fine here
[19:33]  * Jordan_U thinks that a VM doesn't give you a "full" experience
[19:33] <lupine_85> mind you, I'm not kubuntuing
[19:33] <sebsebseb> td123: ,but I could make a sort of backup, by moving stuff into Vista,  but  that woudn't count as proper backup, since that's the same hard disk
[19:34] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: indeed, but  9.04 vm, inside this 9.04 set up, which hasn't quite gone properly
[19:34] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: so it would only be to see what  I meant to have, that I don't think I have
[19:34] <sebsebseb> for example is there even a log in sound in 9.04?  ,because I sure as hell don't have one
[19:35] <sebsebseb> or do I have to set up the log in sound?  in Ubuntu
[19:46] <htrejh> lanoxx-: seemed to be a bug in vlc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/vlc/+bug/314038
[19:46] <htrejh> lanoxx-: will proably not be fixed, but theres a ppa with a newer version...
[19:47] <clearscreen> htrejh: I didnt read it yet, but why wont it be fixed?
[19:48] <clearscreen> I noticed this myself when upgrading to jaunty
[19:48] <htrejh> well it was a bug in vlc itself
[19:48] <htrejh> so they have 2 options: use svn version or downgrade
[19:49] <clearscreen> well it doesnt bother me too much, but they seem reluctant to tempfix it with what is viewed upon as an incorrect patch.. again; didnt really investigate
[19:50] <htrejh> it sucks to have the movie in another window xD
[19:50] <clearscreen> true
[19:51] <clearscreen> Actually I believe I encountered this buy a long time ago
[19:51] <coz_>  hey guys, let me state this differenlty..   I am running ubuntu 9.04 and like 8.10 when opening a file from the File menu of any application , for example Firefox..File/Open File.. the open dialog takes a long time to populate .. however  of course when I run it as for example sudo Firefox and File/Open File the open dialog is populated even before the open dialog opens.. any way to speed this up?
[19:51] <clearscreen> in debian, had something to do with the different skinning methods
[19:51] <DarthFrog_> Has anyone experienced a problem with mouse clicks not being accepted in Jaunty when using the Nvidia drivers?
[19:52] <coz_> DarthFrog_, no I have nvidia here with no mouse cursor issues sorry
[19:52] <DarthFrog_> coz_: Are you using an AMD 64 system perchance?
[19:52] <coz_> DarthFrog_,  no 32 bit
[19:52] <DarthFrog_> Tnx.  I wonder if it's an AMD64 issue?
[19:53] <coz_> by the way that open dialog populatins has nothing to to with themes I have already tried that
[19:53] <coz_> DarthFrog_,  I dont think it's the video if the mouse cursor is not responding correctly
[19:55] <DarthFrog_> coz_: It's definitely the Nvidia drivers.  If I use the nv driver, no problems.  If I use the Nvidia 3D driver, lotsa problems.  Not video corruption, just that the system is refractory to left mouse clicks about 1/2 the time.
[19:55] <coz_> DarthFrog_, mm  are you running compiz with this?
[19:56] <DarthFrog_> It was working with the older drivers with the kernel the other day.  A new kernel came out yesterday (or the day before) and it stopped working.
[19:57] <coz_> DarthFrog_,  ok that makes sense sounds like a bug to me
[19:57] <DarthFrog_> No compiz, no desktop effects.  I want to run Goodle Sketchup under Wine (and CIv IV as well) so I shut off desktop effects.  I'm running Kubuntu BTW.
[19:57] <DarthFrog_> coz_: Well, I'd call it a regression. :-)
[19:57] <imachine> I have one more problem with ubuntu 9.04, it seems my passwords aren't remember too well? the ssh key ones and the ones for vpn in networkmanager
[19:58] <coz_> DarthFrog_, then I am puzzled.. I also never use kde so if this is tied into kde I would have no solution at all
[19:58] <DarthFrog_> I even tried the latest & greatest driver from Nvidia with the same issue.
[19:58] <imachine> also, inside pidgin, whenever I go online, I get a notification after notification
[19:58] <imachine> regarding each contact
[19:58] <imachine> * is online
[19:58] <imachine> ** is online
[19:58] <imachine> etc
[19:58] <DarthFrog_> I doubt it's a KDE issue.  But I do have GNOME installed so I should try that to make sure.
[20:00] <DarthFrog_> Hmm, it seems that I don't have GNOME installed.  A rather massive download is underway. :-)
[20:00] <coz_> DarthFrog_, that sounds reasonable
[20:06] <DarthFrog> "apt-get install gnome" installs 300 packages!  Methinks that there needs to be a gnome-minimal package.
[20:10] <albi> hi
[20:10] <crdlb> !info gnome-core | DarthFrog
[20:11] <DarthFrog> crdlb: Tnx!  I should have known that. :-)
[20:11] <albi> which amarok version will be included in jaunty?
[20:11] <crdlb> DarthFrog: even here on gnome, sudo apt-get install gnome wants to install 92 packages
[20:11] <DarthFrog> AMarok 2
[20:13] <DarthFrog> crdlb: I killed the gnome download and switched to gnome-core.  It was 57 packages, most of which had already been downloaded.
[20:13] <DarthFrog> albi: Amarok 2.02 is what is on my system now.
[20:14] <albi> ok will newer version be put in the repository? amarok 2.1 for example
[20:15] <DarthFrog> Don't know.  My system is fully up to date with Kubuntu Jaunty.  So I rather doubt it.
[20:16] <albi> i think amarok 2 is still unusuable
[20:16] <DarthFrog> OK, gnome-core is installed.  Time to go testing.  Chat at'cha laters.
[20:16] <albi> i hope this will change with 2.1
[20:29] <clearscreen> What's the general way of permanently installing a driver? I have build-essential and kernel headers... What do I do after compiling the drivers?
[20:30] <DarthFrog> Curious.  GNOME doesn't run on my system!  I did a full install but get thrown back to the KDM login screen each time.
[20:31] <clearscreen> In continuation: is there generally an 'install' section for driver makefiles? if there isn't what's the manual way of doing it
[20:31] <Halow> DarthFrog: But can you choose (in Session, I think the mneu is called) which desktop to boot to?
[20:32] <DarthFrog> Halow: Yep.  I selected GNOME.  Entered my password.  It blinks, then puts me back at the login screen.  KDE works fine. :-)
[20:32] <Halow> Huh. I don't think I merely installed the desktop environment when I tried the other flavors.
[20:33] <Halow> DarthFrog: What I did when I wanted to try K/Xubuntu was install kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop.
[20:33] <Halow> Then, I got to choose which when I got to GDM.
[20:35] <DarthFrog> Halow: I run Kubuntu.  I just did an "apt-get install gnome"  from a maintenance mode boot.
[20:35] <Heimark> Jaunty will most certainly break your system... I like that
[20:35] <DarthFrog> That installs the full GNOME.  But it don' wanna run on my system. :-)
[20:36] <Halow> Very strange. I wonder if you'd need to install ubuntu-desktop to get it, not just GNOME.
[20:36] <Halow> I'm no expert. I'm just a tinkerer. :)
[20:36] <DarthFrog> I mean, it's no big deal to me.  I *much* prefer KDE over GNOME.  But I wanted to run GNOME to do some testing before reporting a bug.
[20:37] <Heimark> I'm having issues with my bluetooth mouse on restarts and after suspended on my netbook. Any suggestions on how to get it to play nicely?
[20:37] <DarthFrog> Halow: Hey, that's a *good* suggestion! :-)  I'm doing it now.
[20:37] <DarthFrog> Halow:  Officer thinking, lieutenant! :-)
[20:37] <Halow> DarthFrog: I hope it helps!
[20:37] <clearscreen> I just came back from KDE to GNOME, it's just too bloaty for me.. But I'll shut up now, offtopic :<
[20:38] <Halow> clearscreen: Heh, I'm always coming back to GNOME, but I do love trying everything else out.
[20:38] <DarthFrog> clearscreen: To me, it's a tool, not a toy.  I use what works for me and let others do the same.  Religous wars over OS/software choices are ...juvenile.
[20:39] <Heimark> haha
[20:39] <clearscreen> DarthFrog: hence my use of the words 'for me' ;)
[20:39] <DarthFrog> :-)
[20:39] <Halow> Oh yeah. It's all opinion, really.
[20:40] <DarthFrog> And opinions are like assholes,  We've all got one. :-)
[20:40] <DarthFrog> OK, I'm off to try GNOME again after Halow's most excellent suggestion.
[20:41] <Heimark> trying to do the same thing myself... but going to try KDE though
[20:42] <eseven73> I was under the impression ubuntu-desktop installed the full Gnome environment
[20:43] <bjsnider> if it doesn't, it gets close
[20:44] <eseven73> yeah close enough for me anyways, I did that over my Xubuntu install, and have really no probs
[20:44] <DarthFrog> Halow: Your suggestion was brilliant.  I'm now in GNOME.  I owe you a beer. :-)
[20:45] <Halow> LOL Wonderful!
[20:46] <clearscreen> :P
[20:48] <DarthFrog> Mind you, jockey still doesn't find the nvidia drivers so I'm installing them by hand. :-)
[20:50] <DarthFrog> OK, now to restart X and see if I have proper mouse behaviour.  BRB, I hope. :-)
[20:50] <bjsnider> DarthFrog, all you have to do is install the nvidia-glx-180 package, and jockey will pick up your card
[20:51] <bjsnider> it pulls in the modaliases package which is what jockey is using
[20:51] <Halow> Jockey was a little frustrating with me too. My first time messing with proprietary drivers was only about a week ago.
[20:53] <clearscreen> jockey = 'Hardware Drivers' things that pops up into notification area after a new install? works great for me
[20:54] <Halow> It saw my nvidia card and what it needed to install... but it kinda stayed at 0% installed for about 20 mins. When I killed it, opened it back up it said it was already installed. =/
[20:55] <sebsebseb>  a nice fresh  clean install of Ubuntu 9.04 with Ext4 is good to go?  espesailly if  gong to save important data to an external hard disk anyway
[20:55] <sebsebseb> then just upgrade that partition, untill Ext5 (assuming there will be one), or the computer dies, without any problems?
[20:57] <DarthFrog> Whee!  Things are working once more. :-)
[20:58] <DarthFrog> Don't know what I did but the mouse seems to be behaving itself again, with the nvidia drivers enabled. :-)
[20:59] <DarthFrog> Works in both GNOME & KDE.  As it should.
[20:59] <Halow> That's good!
[21:00] <bjsnider> DarthFrog, that's because the nvidia devs are steely-eyed missile men
[21:00] <DarthFrog> bjsnider: Uh OK, whatever you say, bud. :-)
[21:02] <Stupendoussteve> So they work at Nasa?
[21:09] <cwillu> bjsnider, nvidia doesn't read the edid information of one of my two identical lcd's
[21:10] <cwillu> bjsnider, you talk to your missile men and get them to glare it into submission :p
[21:11] <DarthFrog> Google Sketchup is working fine, to boot.
[21:11] <bjsnider> cwillu, perhaps that monitor is broken
[21:11] <cwillu> bjsnider, no, I can swap the two around and it still works
[21:11] <DarthFrog> Geez, no more problems to solve.  Now I'm bored. :-)
[21:11] <cwillu> and the card didn't break itself coincidently with the 180 update that came through exactly when it broke :)
[21:11] <Halow> DarthFrog: :) You sound like me.
[21:12] <bjsnider> DarthFrog, nvidia users rarely have problems on linux
[21:12] <cwillu> I'm just forcing nvidia to use the edid information from the one monitor for both outputs, works 'fine'
[21:12] <DarthFrog> Halow: Sometimes I think I'm more interested in tinkering with the system than using it. :-)
[21:12] <cwillu> DarthFrog, go compile a kernel with full preempt enabled :)
[21:14] <DarthFrog> cwillu: It's been a very long time since I've compiled a kernel.  It took hours with the 1.0 kernel. :-)  But the kernels put out by distros these days are plenty good enough.   No more Gentoo for me. :-)
[21:16] <cwillu> DarthFrog, git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git; fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "darth1" --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers will give you a fresh image and headers deb to install :)
[21:16] <DarthFrog> I remember compiling a 1.x kernel that I started in the evening, let run overnight and it still wasn't finished by morning!
[21:16] <cwillu> DarthFrog, takes about 4 hours on my single-core 1.5ghz laptop, and about 40 minutes on my quad-core vps
[21:17] <cwillu> nvidia's stuff automatically compiles with dkms when you install it, quite nice actually
[21:17] <cwillu> and then you can help be troubleshoot ext4 crashing! \o/
[21:18] <bjsnider> ext4 is fine on this rig
[21:18] <cwillu> bjsnider, 64bit, or dual core?
[21:18] <DarthFrog> I'm trying that git compile command.  Just for shits & giggles. :-)
[21:18] <cwillu> DarthFrog, you'll probably have to apt-get install a couple things, but not a whole lot
[21:18] <bjsnider> cwillu, are those mutually exlusive?
[21:18] <cwillu> bjsnider, either or
[21:19] <bjsnider> 64 bit quad core
[21:19] <cwillu> you may not even notice it unless you're on a singlecore 32bit machine
[21:19] <DarthFrog> cwillu: sudo apt-get install git-core  is all so far.
[21:19] <cwillu> nope, you'll never see it :p
[21:20] <DarthFrog> cwillu: Is ext4 unstable on a dual-core AMD 64 CPU?
[21:20] <cwillu> bjsnider, I think the worst you'd see is one core locking up for a couple minutes, but I don't think anyone's even seen that much on a 64bit processor
[21:20] <bjsnider> who isn't on a 64-bit system these days?
[21:20] <cwillu> DarthFrog, no, but on the other hand, you could compile kernels for me too test :)
[21:21] <DarthFrog> cwillu: Well, I'm doing the kernel compile you suggested above.  Do you want those deb files when I'm done?
[21:21] <cwillu> DarthFrog, you'll need fakeroot and kernel-package
[21:21] <cwillu> DarthFrog, sure :)
[21:21] <DarthFrog> no problem.
[21:22] <DarthFrog> How shall I get them to you?
[21:22]  * cwillu checks how big the attachment limit is to gmail :p
[21:28] <yeason> I think apt(among other things) is broken on my system and I'm not sure how to start fixing this. The first error is 'Failed to open connection to "system" message bus:'
[21:29] <yeason> it also says Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: no such file or directory
[21:32] <Exilant> hm, bluetooth pairing requires one to tpe really really fast into some box?
[21:46] <benste> jaunty's xserver fails after installing vbox guest addotions, I tried to add the vboxgrafic card and so on to xorg manually but that din't help, now I restored the failsafe to have a GUI, but what else can I do to access seemless mode and so on?
[21:49] <jeiworth> woohooo got my sound working on my hp-dv5 again!
[21:50] <DanaG> I'm getting this horrid freezy-lag any time a new window opens; freeze time is directly proportional to size of window.
[21:50] <DanaG> This includes menus, too.
[21:58] <razius> hello
[21:59] <razius> i'm having a bit of a problem with jaunty , i'm getting very ecesive disk i/o and can't seem to know what the problem is
[22:07] <hhlp> when i login to my ubuntu i see a windows saying 'warning ....' something but i can't see the complete error because the windows disappears very quickly anyone knowks what log file i have to see to find that error ? is not too much information but it is only i can see i doo dmesg but nothing
[22:11] <Raylz> hhlp: got the same problem :)
[22:12] <hhlp> yes the windows desapeers quickly and i can't see nothing only that it is a warning :)
[22:12] <razius> syslog?
[22:22] <benste> someone tried proftp ? I can't start the server via gui
[22:23] <Mulder> heh
[22:23] <Mulder> proftpd you mean?
[22:23] <Mulder> and you're not meant to start it viagui
[22:23] <Mulder> unless you have some gui configurator tool for it
[22:25] <benste> Mulder, I installed gproftpd with it, which creates a menu entry called, gadmin-proftpd and this tool shows offline all the time, can you help me?
[22:27] <benste> Mulder starting it via CLI says: system startup links for /init.d/proftpd already exists
[22:28] <Mulder> i dont use proftpd or gproftpd sorry
[22:28] <Mulder> how are you starting it via cli?
[22:28] <Mulder> and how do you know it's not already started?
[22:32] <Mulder> i'm going to preempt your question and say check it's running by typing 'ps aux | grep proftpd' and if it's not running try '/etc/init.d/proftpd start'
[22:35] <benste> it's running with this aux command
[22:35] <benste> but I can't access it from another amchine which can access the same machine using HTTP
[22:35] <benste> mulder :-)
[22:36] <benste> using a termianl to connect to it it proclaims: "421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection"
[22:42] <bazookatooth> jaunty WILL MOST CERTAINLY BREAK UR FACE
[22:43]  * rww considers submitting an edit request for !jaunty
[22:44] <DanaG> argh, anyone else have issues with fglrx freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezing on creation (including unminimize) of any window?
[22:45] <mogul218_> getting an error message in jaunty was someone could help?  it happens when i try to install a package
[22:45] <mogul218_> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 394 package fado0':
[22:45] <mogul218_>  field name 'V' must be followed by colo
[22:49] <mogul218_> i started getting this error after trying to compile flash player for x64
[22:49] <mogul218_> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 394 package fado0':
[22:49] <mogul218_>  field name 'V' must be followed by colon
[22:49] <mogul218_> now whenever i try to install a package this same error message pops up
[22:52] <rww> mogul218_: clear the file with echo "" | sudo tee /var/lib/dpkg/available . It'll be regenerated next time you do "sudo apt-get update".
[22:54] <mogul218_> @rww thank you kindly i'm running sudo apt-get update now
[22:55] <rconan> omfg launchpad is down... whatever will we do? don't panic everyone!
[22:55]  * rww thinks it's a sign that he should stop doing 5-a-day :P
[22:55] <rconan> eH?
[22:56] <jpds> It's been looked into.
[22:56] <rconan> I know
[22:58] <mogul218_> @rww that worked thank you very much!
[23:00] <rww> mogul218_: you're welcome. Glad I could help :)
[23:18] <Newbee> hello
[23:19] <bjsnider> Newbee, are you a newbie?
[23:19] <DanaG> argh, damned compositing lag.
[23:19] <Newbee> does anyone here know how to install  the powerdevil plasmoid in jaunty? I cannot find the package and the krunner command does not work.
[23:19] <DanaG> Is it just me, or are other people getting that, too?
[23:20] <Stupendoussteve> DanaG: Where you drag the window and it moves a little later?
[23:20] <Newbee> bjsnider: I use kubuntu since 6.06. But I am not a geek or a linux guru
[23:21] <bjsnider> a geek bites the heads of chickens in a circus
[23:21] <bjsnider> DanaG, is this yet another intel issue?
[23:21] <DanaG> No, where I try to unminimize a window... and it does NOTHING................ for about 1 to 3 seconds, before then playing the animation smoothly.
[23:21] <dtchen> Newbee: should be included in kubuntu 9.04 by default
[23:21] <DanaG> I'm on fglrx, actually.
[23:21] <Stupendoussteve> No haven't had that (intel)
[23:21] <DanaG> The delay is directly proportional to window area.
[23:22] <Newbee> dtchen: I cannot find it in the plasmoid menu. Can you post the name, please?
[23:22] <dtchen> Newbee: the battery monitor?
[23:22] <bjsnider> Newbee, you've used linux for 3 years without know much about how it works? i thought the anti-linux types say that's impossible?
[23:23] <EvilAIM> hey champs.
[23:23] <EvilAIM> So, quick question.  I'm going to be install 9.04 and want to use the ext4.  I haven't been able to really read anything that tells me if it is default, or an option.  Do I need to use the alternative install in order to install ext4?
[23:24] <Mulder> ext4 is an option in gui isntaller
[23:24] <Mulder> just know what you're getting yourself into though
[23:24] <EvilAIM> Yea, I understand the implications of my actions.  Thanks for the warning tho.
[23:24] <Mulder> if your system crashes before a sync, there's the possibility that the file just gets truncated to 0 bytes
[23:25] <EvilAIM> Are there still a lot of issues?
[23:25] <Newbee> bjsnider: I am writing an rdiff-backup skript at the moment with as a easy bash skript. I have an linux server (samba and cups) runnig, but I am not able to make my system do what I want it to. And so I feel often new and helples - because of to less knowledge I think.
[23:25] <Mulder> that's a feature, not a bug
[23:25] <Mulder> heh
[23:25] <Stupendoussteve> EvilAIM: You don't need alternative
[23:25] <EvilAIM> Are the developers still pushing for a 23rd release date?
[23:25] <Stupendoussteve> Mulder, I hope you're joking ;)
[23:25] <Mulder> Stupendoussteve, nope.
[23:25] <Newbee> dtchen: it just shows the batterie status, but doesn't let me change the profile etc.
[23:25] <Stupendoussteve> The ext3 behavior is a better "feature"
[23:26] <Stupendoussteve> Making it blank vs having the old content is preferable
[23:26] <Stupendoussteve> er
[23:26] <Stupendoussteve> Switch that
[23:26] <Mulder> Stupendoussteve, yes. and those who value user data integrity should probably stick to ext3 for now
[23:26] <dtchen> EvilAIM: yes
[23:26] <Stupendoussteve> So this feature is likely to be removed later
[23:26] <Stupendoussteve> Yeah, doesn't sound anything like a bug
[23:26] <Mulder> unclear
[23:27] <Mulder> removing this behaviour will give you a slight performance hit
[23:27] <Mulder> but who knows, i dont develop the kernel. so you'll have to convince either the kernel team for ubuntu or the ext4 guys in linux vanilla to do something about it
[23:27] <Mulder> heh
[23:27] <EvilAIM> Lol, you guys are amusing.
[23:28] <EvilAIM> Weak, my external can only transfer data at 20 MB/s...
[23:32] <EvilAIM> looks for a SATA3 externa
[23:32] <EvilAIM> external*
[23:33] <Mulder> and how will that help?
[23:33] <EvilAIM> *shrugs* I'm just bored.
[23:34] <Mulder> you could get a 10krpm hdd that's sata3, but if it's pllugged into usb, you're still going to be lagged by the usb
[23:34] <EvilAIM> Ya, I guess.
[23:34] <EvilAIM> Shoot.
[23:34] <DanaG> Better idea: eSATA.
[23:35] <DanaG> The only bummer with eSATA is that not many of the cables are any good -- check newegg reviews.
[23:39] <Mulder> swell, first crash o the day heh
[23:41] <EvilAIM> Couldn't I get a 10000rpm sata, and link it via firewire?
[23:41] <bjsnider> are the ext4 problems only apparent on old, weak machines?
[23:41] <EvilAIM> or even setup a gigE network and have it network linked?
[23:41] <Mulder> problems? what problems?
[23:42] <bjsnider> i don't know. i've heard that there are problems but i won't see them apparently because i havea powerful rig
[23:43] <Mulder> no problems. only features.
[23:44] <DanaG> EvilAIM: FW400 is still a bottleneck... you'd need FW800.
[23:44] <DanaG> GigE would be faster than FW400, most likely.
[23:44] <DanaG> If you need raw-disk IO, you can use iSCSI instead of a file-sharing protocol.
[23:45] <EvilAIM> if I do, update-manager -d would it allow me to upgrade to ext4 or do I have to do a clean install?
[23:45] <Mulder> you should do a proper clean install
[23:46] <Mulder> or boot to a live cd, and use a tool to convert
[23:46] <EvilAIM> yea, but I have about a TB of data on here.
[23:46] <clearscreen> !ot > clearscreen
[23:46] <EvilAIM> Awe well.  I guess I'm going to have to do it the right way.  Screw it.
[23:46] <EvilAIM> haha
[23:47] <EvilAIM> Ok, I'm going to a hockey game.
[23:47] <EvilAIM> See ya'll later
[23:47] <EvilAIM> *gone*