[16:34] <Vuurdraak_> danielthebague, 14.04 & 16.04 should have the same xenial kernal
[16:34] <danielthebague> Vuurdraak_, i normally stick with the LTS releases
[16:35] <Vuurdraak_> kernel*
[16:35] <CliveGerard> Help! I've logged on to UbuntuOne and tried to create a "derivative subpage" - It seems to create it but wont let me edit it!
[16:36] <Vuurdraak_> im searching for fglrx and i can not find it on my system, the error you gave before, it went of the chat with me now :'(
[16:36] <danielthebague> Vuurdraak_, anyway i must go thanks for your help again
[16:36] <Vuurdraak_> danielthebague, im wondering if that is the default driver from ubuntu that it is looking for
[16:36] <OerHeks> there is no fglrx anymore, with 16.04 came radeon & amdgpu
[16:36] <Vuurdraak_> danielthebague, im using nvidia too
[16:37] <danielthebague> Vuurdraak_, that may have been an old log of the on board graphics i had Radeon which is not supported in 16.04 so switched to nvida gt610
[16:37] <Vuurdraak_> danielthebague, should etc/X11 what if you tried to copy that xorg.conf.072etc file to xorg.conf
[16:38] <Vuurdraak_> danielthebague, i dont understand why it tried to load fglrx and that you do not have a default xorg.conf
[16:39] <Vuurdraak_> danielthebague, as you say you have the nvidia binairy driver installed on the old kernel
[16:39] <danielthebague> Vuurdraak_, i give up for now i will wait till teh next kernel is released then upgrade that way
[16:39] <Vuurdraak_> okay ;)
[16:39] <mistawright> anyone can make any suggestions on making this happen?
[16:39] <Vuurdraak_> danielthebague, at least the old kernel works :)
[16:39] <danielthebague> Vuurdraak_, case of it seems to be working so don;t try and break it lol
[16:39] <Vuurdraak_> :)
[16:39] <danielthebague> Vuurdraak_, thanks again for your help
[16:39] <Vuurdraak_> np
[16:41] <Vuurdraak_> rocket__, i use amarok & rhythmbox, i like amarok better for fast loading directories full of files to play that repeat, rhythmbox doesnt like to play nice there with its play lists
[16:42] <for{}> why isnt mplayer preinstalled?
[16:42] <gianni44> !list
[16:42] <for{}> mplayer pure, no mplayer gui/frontend
[16:42] <Vuurdraak_> for{}, maybe some copyright issues, non free software blabla
[16:43] <Jordan_U> for{}: That's a question for #ubuntu-offtopic. We can help you install mplayer here though.
[16:43] <for{}> i think mplayer still rocks
[16:46] <bazfoobar> My burn failed with imgburn too! I really hope it's not the optical drive.
[16:47] <wafflejock> bazfoobar, could be old optical media too those things can go bad in the sun or just sitting around long enough flash drives are ideal if you've got a tech shop around or some laying around
[16:48] <arooni> how to deal with this mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking.
[16:53] <Guest64510> прив всем
[16:53] <Guest64510> помогите наладить жестак
[16:53] <Vuurdraak_> !russian
[16:54] <Guest64510> как это делать и чем на линуксе
[16:54] <Guest64510>  <Vuurdraak_>  там забанили
[16:54] <Vuurdraak_> :)
[16:54] <arooni> trying to get ubuntu to mount a NFS enabled drive (on a asus rt-56n router).  on the router its /etc/exports line is /media/HardDriveArooni   <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,async,insecure,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) ... and output from trying to connect on ubuntu is https://gist.github.com/3891e462785b9387b176f7473931d438 ... ideas?
[16:58] <Guest44331> guys, how do I install netctl? it isn't on the official repos and somehow I don't find anything for ubuntu, I've only find info for arch
[17:01] <Vuurdraak_> arooni, maybe the client and server do not support the right version ? "mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported"
[17:02] <arooni> well yes; but i think the last line of permission denied means that it found a protocol taht works
[17:02] <Vuurdraak_> arooni, maybe a firewall is blocking udp then or something ?
[17:03] <arooni> how can i check that
[17:03] <arooni> Vuurdraak_: in /etc/hosts.allow; i have rcpbind : <IP_ADDRESS> (ip of rotuer ) as well as <IP_ADDRESS> (laptops ip)
[17:04] <wafflejock> !info network-manager | Guest44331
[17:04] <Vuurdraak_> arooni, is uwf running ?
[17:05] <wafflejock> Guest44331, pretty sure this does the same thing, what are you looking for from netctl?
[17:05] <arooni> Vuurdraak_: ps -lA | ack ufw ==> yielded nothing
[17:05] <Guest44331> I'm not interested in using network-manager because it seems it is what's causing my problem. after a couple of hours wifi will disconnect and won't ever connect to a network again until the computer is rebooted
[17:05] <Vuurdraak_> arooni, mm yeh not sure whats going on
[17:06] <Guest44331> wafflejock, avoid a bug present in network-manager
[17:06] <Vuurdraak_> arooni, i was reading this info: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/205529/nfs-mount-nfs-protocol-not-supported
[17:07] <wafflejock> Guest44331, have you tried to restart network manager when that happens?
[17:07] <Vuurdraak_> arooni, maybe you can test what the capibilities are
[17:07] <wafflejock> Guest44331, or check out the output from dmesg, sounds like it could be a driver too in which case the manager won't really matter so much
[17:07] <Vuurdraak_> arooni, as they talk aslo there about nsf not liking udp
[17:07] <Vuurdraak_> also*
[17:09] <Guest64510> помогите дельфина починить непоказывает весь обьем диска и ппц виснет при копирывание
[17:09] <kicksled> arooni: protocol not supported? is nfs-common package installed?
[17:10] <arooni> kicksled: nfs-common package is installed yes
[17:10] <Guest44331> wafflejock,  it didn't give anything useful, it just said it timed out, it times out at trying to connect to all and every network
[17:10] <OerHeks> !ru | <Guest64510>
 Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.
[17:10] <ameurux> hello
[17:10] <ameurux> anyone tried samba on 16.10?
[17:11] <Guest64510> fack ru all loser
[17:11] <Guest64510> help eng
[17:12] <kicksled> ameurux: you're back
[17:12] <arooni> this is the error i'm getting https://gist.github.com/3891e462785b9387b176f7473931d438
[17:12] <Guest44331> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1393744 here's a bug report that shows the same behavior and it was never fixed, some people claimed that after removing network-manager the problem stopped
[17:13] <OerHeks> i rather suspect the wifi card/dongle than networkmanager
[17:13] <kicksled> ameurux: yeah, while you were gone I fired up a virtual machine with 16.10 server. fresh install, only commands I ran was "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" after all updates were installed I did sudo apt-get install samba. no errors
[17:13] <OerHeks> and such old bugreport, do you think it is still valid?
[17:14] <kicksled> ameurux: can you do a ifconfig please and pastebin the output?
[17:14] <kicksled> ameurux: I see from your pastebin earlier that there are some issues with the interfaces also
[17:16] <OerHeks> if this still is your error, "Failed to preset unit: Unit file /etc/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service is masked." maybe this wiki is any help https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-dc.html
[17:17] <kicksled> arooni: are all the ports you need for nfs open on the server?
[17:18] <arooni> kicksled: i'm not sure how to check that;  its sort of a scaled back version of linux running on it
[17:18] <Guest44331> OerHeks, the card works properly on windows, so the card isn't the problem, and there are messages from a year ago, so I don't see how a but that hasn't been marked as solved isn't relevant
[17:18] <Vuurdraak_> arooni, maybe reverting to an older protocol version will help ? like adding: vers=2  to the mount command ?
[17:18] <arooni> version 2 doesnt let it run :\
[17:19] <kicksled> arooni: what device is it? do you have a web interface or just command line?
[17:19] <arooni> if i could just get something to mount it
[17:19] <kicksled> looks like v4 fails and v3 is ok but permissions fail
[17:19] <arooni> kicksled: i have a web interface ; and command line;  https://bitbucket.org/padavan/rt-n56u/wiki/EN/FirmwareBuilds
[17:20] <kicksled> arooni: under advanced settings and firewall on your web interface
[17:20] <Chinesium> Okay, I'm posing this question to multiple channels. Why should I pick this distro over another? I'm a Windows user mostly, but I also run ChromiumOS for battery life.
[17:21] <arooni> kicksled: stuipd me :\  haha
[17:21] <arooni> kicksled: so turn off the firewall?
[17:21] <mcphail> Chinesium: this is the support channel. Best ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
  ty
[17:21] <ameurux> I paste
[17:21] <Southern_Gentlem> Chinesium, all the major distros have live isos you can download and try out
[17:21] <OerHeks> Guest44331, it al depends on your wifi chipset/driver, and cannot be compared with windows.
[17:21] <Southern_Gentlem> try them and see which one works the best for you
[17:22] <Chinesium> I want people to sell me on them
[17:22] <OerHeks> Guest44331, so what wifi chipset do you have exactly?
[17:22] <Chinesium> I'll probably end up using lxde of xfce anyway
[17:22] <kicksled> arooni: I wouldn't turn it off, but yeah, you can test it and see. If it works with firewall off, turn it back on and just open the ports you need and set permissions for your laptop/local network only
[17:22] <Guest44331> OerHeks, the same one of the bug report
[17:22] <kicksled> Chinesium: lubuntu
[17:22] <Chinesium> Why?
[17:22] <Southern_Gentlem> Chinesium,  no its up to you in the long run
[17:22] <arooni> kicksled: turned it off and didnt have any effect lol :(
[17:23] <Pici> Chinesium: You should try out a distro before picking it for use. Many distros offer live CDs/DVDs.  I would familiarize yourself with the package management systems in each as well as the actual packages offered and the support lifetime for the release you're choosing.
[17:24] <ameurux> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23384523/
[17:24] <Pici> Chinesium: Lubuntu and Xubuntu come with lxde/xfce installed by default, but they have the rest of the Ubuntu respositories available for use.
[17:24] <kicksled> arooni: what does your system log on the router/server say?
   http://paste.ubuntu.com/23384523/
[17:26] <kicksled> ameurux: hmm.. strange. I had no problems installing samba on a fresh 16.10 server at least. have no idea whats going on with your samba install unfortunately. try sudo apt-get purge samba and after that, check if there still is a samba dir in /etc/ and try to delete it manually. and then try to install samba again
[17:28] <ameurux> ok
[17:28] <ameurux> I try
[17:28] <OerHeks> Guest44331, known issues with that ralink, nohwcrypt seems like a solution https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/266033
[17:30] <kicksled> ameurux: if that fails I really have no clue whats happened with your server. Is it a server thats in production and needs to stay up? If its only for testing/personal use, I would recommend a fresh install again as a last resort.
[17:30] <ducasse> Chinesium: it's not our job to sell you on anything, this channel is for support. try #ubuntu-offtopic.
  thank you for trying out for me,
[17:39] <kicksled> ameurux: no problem :)
[17:44] <meatrocket> hi
[17:44] <meatrocket> I'm a child molester
[17:44] <meatrocket> any little kids here?
[17:47] <alejandro_> i cant install apps
[17:47] <kicksled> alejandro_: elaborate please
[17:47] <theShirbiny> !info alejandro_
[17:47] <theShirbiny> shit
[17:48] <kicksled> :p
[17:48] <alejandro_> alguien que hable español me podría ayudar con un problemita?
[17:48] <Pici> !es | alejandro_
[17:49] <alejandro_> join #ubuntu-es
[17:49] <noboody> sdadsa
[17:49] <noboody> hello
[17:51] <konrados> Hi. When I'm trying to uninstall firefox ( sudo apt-get purge firefox ) I get this: http://pastebin.com/LQ5iHZRq - why can I solve this?
[17:53] <kicksled> konrados: try sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox
[17:53] <konrados> sec...
[17:53] <deadpirates> hello guys
[17:53] <deadpirates> I need a help
[17:53] <deadpirates> anyone here to help me out
[17:54] <ameurux> hello
[17:54] <deadpirates> hello ameurux
[17:54] <ameurux> kicksled  u there?
[17:54] <Vuurdraak_> just ask the question and see if anybody has any clue about it
[17:55] <deadpirates> I heard about about mariana's web recently !! Is that total hoax or true ?
[17:55] <ameurux> I found out why samba is making the error
[17:55] <konrados> kicksled, - same result:( "update-alternatives: error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser corrupt: unexpected end of file while trying to read slave link"
[17:55] <ameurux> there's no bug
[17:56] <ameurux> Im using 3g dongle, it confuses samba installer with ppp01 interface
[17:56] <ameurux> after connecting to LAN with ipv4 the install went smooth
[17:56] <ameurux> thank you all for your support
[17:57] <for{}> is there a romanian channel?
[17:58] <Random832> !ro | for{}
[17:58] <for{}> wow
[17:58] <ducasse> !ot | deadpirates
[17:58] <kicksled> konrados: sudo apt-get install -f to fix broken dependencies first. that should do the trick I think
[17:58] <deadpirates> thanks
[17:58] <Random832> generally the hint thingy is always !xx where xx is the language code
[17:58] <deadpirates> I got it
    thank you again and again
[17:59] <kicksled> ameurux: glad you found the problem and got it sorted :)
[17:59] <kicksled> ameurux: no problem
[18:00] <konrados> kicksled, thanks, but not really, I get this: http://pastebin.com/uAqGj1wY please help me...
[18:03] <kicksled> konrados: http://askubuntu.com/a/620983
[18:03] <konrados> sec...
[18:07] <konrados> kicksled, I tried that, because indeed, I don't really want to remove ff, but I want to make chrome the default. I already managed to increase chrome's priority, it did not work. Now it even worse, when I'm trying to "sudo update-alternatives..." I see "error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser corrupt: unexpected end of file while trying to read slave link"
[18:08] <konrados> kicksled, this is my "/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser" file: http://pastebin.com/HCtUhe2f
[18:09] <arooni> how can i make sure that the drive i mounted with ; [I]  ~  sshfs admin@<IP_ADDRESS>:/media/HardDriveArooni ~/HardDriveArooni/ ;;; is always mounted?  on startup?  but also always
[18:09] <jacksbumleg> hello, I'm new to ubuntu
[18:10] <jacksbumleg> and irc
[18:10] <kicksled> kicksled: I have firefox as default browser. my x-www-browser file says 40 on firefox and 200 on chrome. hmm
[18:11] <konrados> kicksled - sec... it's the opposite than I thought, I thought the higher number the higher priority, sec..
[18:11] <Owl> Hi!
[18:11] <jacksbumleg> HI
[18:13] <jqke> Hi, i run ubuntu 16.04, and i try to upgrade to kernel 4.8.4 (with newer mesa) in order to have my rx480 running. Boot is hanging. Anyone to help me find out why ? I have no idea where to look
[18:14] <konrados> http://google.com
[18:15] <Pici> !google | konrados
[18:15] <konrados> No, pici, I'm testing what will be fired on clicking :)
[18:15] <konrados> Sorry for that
[18:16] <konrados> I'm trying to make chrome my default browser and I'm failing all the time Pici
[18:16] <konrados> jqke - it wasn't to you, I was just testing something
[18:16] <konrados> google-fu :) :)
[18:19] <konrados> kicksled,  - I'm not sure where did you take this "200" for chrome, but now I have this: http://pastebin.com/nNN11ARW - what should be the default now? Isn't that chrome? Should I restart the system after making those changes? Or maybe now I should do this "update-alternatives" or something? I've just modified the file, nothing more
[18:20] <TEB1992> I was wondering with Kubuntu 10.04 LTS Can I still download updates from different other programs like VLC or Firefox or other programs
[18:22] <hippybear> TEB1992, on K10?
[18:23] <hippybear> you will have to keep it unplugged and manually build everything
[18:23] <konrados> Pici,  - I misspelled your nickname, I wanted to say that this "google.com" link was my testing, I wasn't telling anybody to use google.
[18:23] <Pici> konrados: I saw it anyway.
[18:23] <hippybear> repo versions will probably give you issues over dependencies and updating versions
[18:23] <konrados> OK, cool
[18:24] <TEB1992> hibbybear yes
[18:25] <TEB1992> hibbybear: I want to download Kubuntu Netbook Verison 10.04 LTS I know it Long Term Support but I was wondering can I still recive updates from different other application like VLC and other stuff to...
[18:26] <ducasse> TEB1992: 10.04 is eol
[18:27] <TEB1992> Can you be more clear please I downloaded the version that was LTS
[18:27] <ducasse> TEB1992: eol = end of life. no longer supported.
[18:27] <konrados> OK, so to put it short - I modified "/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser" file, should I do anything else?
[18:27] <konrados> *to make it shorted
[18:27] <kicksled> konrados: afaik chrome should be default
[18:27] <Pici> TEB1992: Ubuntu versions are named after the YEAR.MONTH of release. 10.04 was released in April 2010, its over 5 years old now and is no longer supported.
[18:27] <saml> do I need dnsmasq?
[18:27] <saml> is it safe to remove/disable it?
[18:28] <TEB1992> Kubuntu 10.04.4 LTS (Lucid Lynx) is not supported anymore
[18:28] <TEB1992> is that what you are saying
[18:29] <ducasse> TEB1992: yes.
[18:29] <konrados> kicksled, but when I do "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" I get "error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser corrupt: unexpected end of file while trying to read slave name" - is there a syntax error here: http://pastebin.com/nNN11ARW or somewhere else?
[18:29] <TEB1992> ducasse so why does the company put LTS if it not going to be a long term support am I seeing it wrong
[18:29] <wafflejock> TEB1992, as mentioned versions are named based on the year and month released 10.04 was 2010 and 04 month or april
[18:29] <ducasse> TEB1992: 'long term' does not mean forever.
[18:30] <wafflejock> TEB1992, it's cleared shown here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[18:30] <wafflejock> TEB1992, it's expected that at least every 4 years you upgrade to get newer software that will get security patches
[18:31] <Sircle> I plugged nvs quadro 420 and 450 http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_nvs_420_us.html and http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_nvs_450_us.html and I saw only 2 out of 4 LCDs were shown as connected in xrandr -q. Other 2 as disconneced. I plugged that on an other machine having windows, I got all 4 working. A) any clues why? B) whats the minimum most costly card with 3-4 display at a time (for
[18:31] <Sircle> multiseat) is 100% supported by ubuntu?
[18:31] <Sircle> ppf: ^
[18:31] <noboody> ;]
[18:31] <noboody> [;
[18:31] <TEB1992> waflejock: or ducasse: Am running a netbook it has a intel atom it has a CPU of 1.97 GHz Proccessor 2GB of ram it very slow machine I can't really do a lot on it I want to load something that will make it better fell is there a netbook editon of ubuntu that I can try
[18:32] <OerHeks> there is no longer a netbook edition.
[18:32] <konrados> kicksled, you think this is the way: http://askubuntu.com/a/714730 >
[18:32] <konrados> ?
[18:32] <OerHeks> leightweight distro would be xubuntu or lubuntu
[18:32] <wafflejock> TEB1992, ^^
[18:33] <kicksled> konrados: yeah
[18:33] <wafflejock> TEB1992, xubuntu or lubuntu are graphically less demanding so will run much better on slower hardware
[18:34] <konrados> sec...
[18:36] <Sircle> anyone ever used ubuntu with multi display card?
[18:37] <wafflejock> Sircle, yeah have 2 monitors here now usually works fine what's up
[18:37] <tgm4883> I'm on two monitors right now
[18:37] <Sircle> wafflejock: tried more than 2 ever? I am trying multi seat
[18:38] <wafflejock> Sircle, mmm only had 2 work for me but only tried 3 on Intel4000 which I don't think is able to deal with that
[18:38] <wafflejock> Sircle, have seen a handful of more than 2 though
[18:38] <tgm4883> Sircle: I've turned off my laptop monitor, but I've had it on before in a 3 monitor setup
[18:38] <OerHeks> dual cards, you'll need to write a proper xorg.conf AFAIK
[18:39] <elisa87> can someone help me with this (or editting it?)? I am not very good in putting the situation into words http://askubuntu.com/questions/842111/manipulating-files-in-large-scale
[18:39] <Sircle> tgm4883: how? USB video cards?
[18:39] <Sircle> can I plug 2 graphic cards and use both at same time? Looks like I cannot. Nor more than 2 ports of a card.
[18:39] <tgm4883> Sircle: my laptop has a VGA and mini-display port
[18:39] <Sircle> wafflejock:  tgm4883 OerHeks ^
[18:40] <Sircle> OerHeks:  ok, so without xorg.conf, I CANNOT use more than one card or even more than 2 ports in a card?
[18:41] <Sircle> tgm4883:  so those vga and mini display port be turned to multi seat?
[18:41] <tgm4883> Sircle: oh, multi-seat
[18:41] <tgm4883> Sircle: maybe? IDK, I've not tried multi-seat
[18:42] <tgm4883> Sircle: you'd likely need a custom xorg.conf for that
[18:43] <konrados> another test: http://google.com
[18:44] <Sircle> tgm4883: but the cards should pickup. my 2 port of same card shows disconnected and 2 display. (xrandr)
[18:44] <Sircle> tgm4883:  do I need xorg config for that even?
[18:45] <tgm4883> Sircle: IDK, I've not really dealt with multi-card systems except for hybrid laptop setups
[18:45] <konrados> It didn't work kicksled - I have this now: http://pastebin.com/2ptpCd1d - but still this damn ff fires when I click on a link here... is there anything more I should do....... ?
[18:45] <kicksled> konrados: what desktop environment are you using?
[18:45] <konrados> KDE, kicksled
[18:46] <OerHeks> Sircle, with multiset you want 2 xorg.conf https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/936873/-howto-multiseat-with-ubuntu-16-04-systemd-gdm-proprietary-drivers/
[18:46] <kicksled> konrados: and you can't set default browser via system settings - default applications?
[18:47] <konrados> kicksled I tried that in the first place, but I'll try again, sec...
[18:48] <konrados> It's "google-chrome" kicksled
[18:48] <kicksled> konrados: strange..
[18:50] <Sircle> OerHeks:  why is that? why 2xorg.conf are needed?
[18:50] <thegamer> hello
[18:50] <OerHeks> Sircle, you want multiseat, = 2 users
[18:50] <Sircle> OerHeks:  and without even going to multiseat, the displays should not be shown as disconneced in xrandr -q. No?
[18:50] <konrados> Yeah, but I need to solve this, my knowledge is so poor when it comes to linux, kicksled - is there something else I can try? I even tried to simply uninstall the FF but I got the issues like: http://pastebin.com/LQ5iHZRq
[18:52] <konrados> sec.. kicksled  this time I think I managed to remove ff, after those "update-alternatives --remove-all ... " commands, sec...
[18:52] <OerHeks> It all depends on what cards and what connections, vga/dvi/dvi-d/hdmi/dp, without xorg.conf the max is 3 monitors maybe
[18:52] <konrados> test: http://google.com
[18:52] <kicksled> konrados: and sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/google-chrome 40 also fails?
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> konrados  stop. use #test
[18:53] <OerHeks> or make it https
[18:53] <konrados> I tried that yesterday, the same error, but now I managed to delete ff, and now chrome starts up, as I wanted :) Thank you kicksled !
[18:54] <konrados> MonkeyDust, - OK, I'll stop, I was frustrated
[18:54] <OerHeks> make sure all browsers have 'check if <browser> is default' disabled, and logout, login and remove whatever
[18:54] <konrados> OerHeks - thanks, now I have only one browser, and it's enough for me right now, later I'll have to install ff anyway, but not in the next days :) Btw - yes, I tried that too.
[18:55] <kicksled> konrados: glad it worked out one way, strange problem you had there
[18:55] <Sircle> OerHeks:  and without even going to multiseat, the displays should not be shown as disconneced in xrandr -q. No?
[18:56] <Sircle> OerHeks:  sorry for repeat.
[18:56] <Sircle> OerHeks: is there a limit of default detectable displays to 3?
[18:56] <konrados> kicksled, yeah, I had no such problems before, actually, I usually managed to solve this using GUI only, thanks again.
[18:56] <konrados> Finally... after two days...
[18:56] <stan_man_can> Hey all. Whats the best way to monitor a group of servers? I have 6 servers around the world all serving the same website. Users get routed to a specific server via Constellix DNS Geo Proximity and Source GTD. Each region has a different amount of traffic, so I need to be able to monitor/view graphics of each machine
[18:56] <MyFightSong> i use ff to test if chrome has bugs or the site
[18:57] <stan_man_can> Any good way to do that? They're just VPS's at Digital Ocean.
[18:57] <OerHeks> Sircle, It all depends on what cards and what connections, vga/dvi/dvi-d/hdmi/dp
[18:57] <stan_man_can> not sure if there's a third party I should be using or what
[18:57] <Sircle> OerHeks:  all ports are dvi
[18:57] <ducasse> stan_man_can: munin, maybe.
[18:58] <dxiri> stan_man_can: or nagios
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> stan_man_can  is this useful https://landscape.canonical.com/
[18:58] <dxiri> in fact..for 6 servers you can use nagios XI
[18:58] <stan_man_can> thanks guys i'll check those out
[18:58] <dxiri> which is commercially supported nagios, very expensive but FREE for less than 10 hosts :)
[18:59] <Guest44331> guys, how do I safely remove network manager? I attempted to right now but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop among others
[18:59] <stan_man_can> I'm a developer not a sysadmin so this stuff isn't my forte. However, I setup a free API about 5 years ago and it's usage has exploded lately. 1 year ago it was doing about 1m req/m and now it's about 35m req/m and growing
[18:59] <stan_man_can> dxiri, awesome thanks
[19:00] <Sircle> OerHeks:  is there any such limited stated? (in a config file or so) or at system level?
[19:01] <stan_man_can> dxiri, looks like it's 7 hosts now not 10
[19:01] <stan_man_can> Yes! Nagios XI is available free of charge for monitoring small environments. Nagios XI installations with a free license are limited to monitoring seven (7) hosts (nodes).
[19:01] <dxiri> guess 7 is a sweeter spot to charge for it than 10 then :P
[19:01] <dxiri> it used to be 10
[19:01] <stan_man_can> lol
[19:02] <dxiri> its really cool stuff...takes away most of nagios complexity
[19:02] <dxiri> you download a VM, put it somewhere where it can reach your hosts
[19:02] <dxiri> and you set the ips and off you go
[19:02] <dxiri> it should detect what you are running and monitor the basic stuff
[19:03] <dxiri> then you can tune what to monitor
[19:03] <stan_man_can> i'm assuming you have to install a client or something on the servers?
[19:04] <Sircle> OerHeks: there?
[19:05] <C0r3> What time does ubuntu pushes the updates?
[19:05] <Pici> C0r3: When they're ready.
[19:06] <Sircle> I plugged nvs quadro 420 and 450 http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_nvs_420_us.html and http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_nvs_450_us.html and I saw only 2 out of 4 LCDs were shown as connected in xrandr -q. Other 2 as disconneced. I plugged that on an other machine having windows, I got all 4 working. A) any clues why? B) whats the minimum most costly card with 3-4 display at a time (for
[19:06] <Sircle> multiseat) is 100% supported by ubuntu?
[19:06] <dxiri> stan_man_can: depends on how much you want to monitor
[19:06] <dxiri> could be agentless using plain ssh
[19:07] <dxiri> or you could use one of the nagios agents and install that on your 6 boxes
[19:07] <dxiri> agents give you more control at the expense of having something to install
[19:07] <Guest28463> Anyone here familiar with Ubuntu snap?
[19:09] <OerHeks> Sircle, then i guess you still need an xorg
[19:09] <C0r3> Pici: Is there a specific time? Like at 00:00 Hrs??
[19:09] <ducasse> Guest28463: just ask your question.
[19:10] <Pici> C0r3: Nope.  They just push them when they're done working on them.
[19:10] <hackerii_> org
[19:10] <C0r3> Oh.. Okay. Thanks.
[19:11] <Sircle> herekun:  why ubuntu had stopped cards to display all ports/lcds by default? why does it not auto detects?
[19:14] <ducasse> Sircle: ubuntu does nothing to stop them working, you need to configure your drivers and x server correctly.
[19:15] <Sircle> ducasse:  if 2 ports out of four are detected and working, why the other 2 not auto detected (after all its the same card we are talking about)?
[19:16] <Sircle> ducasse:  the other 2 ports are shown as disconnected in xrandr -q. Why?
[19:16] <Sircle> ducasse:  I cant plug 2 cards also
[19:16] <Sircle> only one works
[19:17] <de-facto> hmm how come i get displayed *just* the i386 packages in a repo instead of the correct (and also available) amd64 packages? .(
[19:17] <Sircle> ducasse:  I had already selected the recommended drivers of card in extrra drivers app
[19:17] <Sircle> ducasse: OerHeks ?
[19:19] <de-facto> can i somehow tell dpkg/apt to ignore all i386 and just *always* use amd64?
[19:20] <ducasse> Sircle: i know nothing about the nvidia drivers, i avoid them as much as possible. have you seen this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_multiseat
[19:20] <Sircle> ducasse:  its not about multiseat yet. I should get a display at least when I pluch 4 lcds in a 4 port card
[19:21] <Guest17062> de-facto: use
[19:21] <Guest17062> deb [ arch=amd64 ] ...
[19:21] <Guest17062> in sources.list
[19:21] <Sircle> ducasse:  signing off. THanks
[19:21] <ducasse> Sircle: take a look at that article, it explains how to set up what you want.
[19:22] <Mohammad> Hello
[19:23] <Guest28463> I know how to install a snap but I can't find any info at all on how to backup said data from snap application. For ex, nextcloud is available in snap. Suppose I want a backup of the data contained within the snap itself?
[19:23] <Guest61747> Anybody can help me?
[19:23] <de-facto> Guest17062 thanks but that seems to make no difference, it displays the <pkg>:i386 versions just
[19:24] <de-facto> i really dont want to download them all manually :( grrr
[19:24] <Guest17062> you did an apt update?
[19:24] <ducasse> Guest61747: the data is saved wherever it would normally be saved, in your homedir or whatever.
[19:24] <ducasse> Guest28463: ^^
[19:25] <de-facto> Guest17062 yes aand reload in synaptic
[19:25] <Guest28463> ducasse, I've looked and looked.. I've even done a dir size x-reference before and after dumping huge files in.. no change.
[19:26] <Guest28463> ducasse, are you speculating or do you know snappy workings?
[19:26] <ducasse> Guest28463: i know it's not saved inside the snap, because that is read only.
[19:26] <Guest28463> ducasse, agree.
[19:27] <Guest28463> ducasse, how would i monitor file size changes in terminal? Maybe that would give me a clue
[19:29] <ducasse> Guest28463: for something like nextcloud i would think you could configure where data is saved, if not ask whoever built the snap.
[19:29] <de-facto> can i somehow tell synaptic to never ever display i386 packages?
[19:29] <mahmut> turk var mı :D
[19:29] <Guest28463> ducasse, it's in /var/snap
[19:30] <Guest28463> ducasse, so far it doesn't.. im just experimenting with snap but there's no way in hell i would use it without knowing how to restore it on another server :)
[19:31] <abhishek> hi guys!
[19:31] <abhishek> Any ideas on this one http://askubuntu.com/questions/842134/acpi-warning-argument-4-type-mismatch?
[19:32] <OerHeks> abhishek, KDE neon, better ask in #kubuntu
[19:33] <de-facto> lol should i scroll in 53462 packages in arch:amd64 because synaptic search is broken (displaying i386)?
[19:33] <abhishek> OerHeks, thanks for the suggestion. But it seems more on the side bios and neon is 16.04.
[19:34] <abhishek> Which may make relevant here I guess. :)
[19:35] <ducasse> abhishek: not really, kde neon is not ubuntu, it's a derivative.
[19:36] <abhishek> ducasse, but it uses ubuntu-core package right? Sry I am new to ubuntu.
[19:36] <de-facto> this is ridiculous, why cant i just choose that it prefers amd64 and dont display the wrong arch on searches?
[19:37] <OerHeks> ducasse, synaptic, bottom option: architecture
[19:37] <OerHeks> ...
[19:38] <ducasse> abhishek: it is not an official flavor, so not supported here.
[19:43] <newbie|2> Anyone wanna help me with teamviewer?
[19:44] <de-facto> OerHeks i guess that was meant for me? sure i can scroll in 53462 packages, that is what i did now, but searches wont remember the previously selected arch there (then it goes to search results tab)
[19:45] <newbie|2> I sse "teamviewerd -d" in task manager. But no GUI pops up, so I can't use it
[19:47] <CtrlC> hi, what's the easiest way to have phantomjs on ubuntu?
[19:48] <de-facto> can i set that in internal option Variable->Value somehow maybe?
[19:48] <CtrlC> I need to make an installation script and phantomjs is a part of it.
[19:48] <ducasse> newbie|2: are you sure that's the frontend process? sounds like a daemon.
[19:53] <de-facto> hmm i give up, i guess multiarch is broken for this
[19:54] <speeder> how I make a DNS be 100% automatic?
[19:55] <speeder> ie: given to me by the DHCP server
[19:55] <speeder> I tried using NetworkManager to set all to auto, but it still doesn't work, if I cat /etc/resolv.conf I still get some bogus DNS addresses (with a comment on top saying it was generated by NetworkManager)
[19:56] <akik> speeder: the <IP_ADDRESS> is the address of dnsmasq started by network-manager
[19:57] <akik> speeder: network-manager knows then the correct dns server addresses
[19:57] <speeder> I am not seeing a 127 address
[19:57] <speeder> I am getting some random stuf
[19:57] <speeder> like <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:58] <apb1963_> what video editing software is available?  I need to modify a .mp4 which is essentially just a powerpoint presentation in .mp4 format as far as I know..  I tried to get avidemux2.6-qt4 but it's not in the Xenial.
[19:58] <Southern_Gentlem> speeder you shouldnt see a 127 address
[19:58] <speeder> so, what I SHOULD see, and where?
[19:58] <akik> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:58] <speeder> the ubuntu machines are the only ones in my network that refuse to connect to any website
[20:00] <apb1963_> ubuntu 16.04
[20:00] <speeder> I tried doing cat /etc/resolv.conf and I get a comment about it being generated by networkmanager, and then several random IPs that are NOT the ones I want.
[20:01] <speeder> my networkmanager app I set everything to auto, no global DNS setting, no static DNS anywhere
[20:01] <apb1963_> newbie|2, try "teamviewer"
[20:02] <apb1963_> speeder, 14.04 ?
[20:02] <akik> speeder: are you in a corporate environment with some extra provisioning server or is still a stand-alone installation?
[20:02] <speeder> apb1963_: recently it was updated to 16.04
[20:03] <speeder> akik: there are no server controlling the network directly ,each machien has its own configuration
[20:03] <apb1963_> speeder, I could never get network manager to work in 14.04.  16.04 was a fresh install for me and networking simply worked.
[20:04] <speeder> :/
[20:05] <terrible> i have ubuntu 16 xenial installed and i want to know if i can set the unity launcher in dodge mode only hide when a windows show up
[20:05] <apb1963_> speeder, was it working for you in 14.04 ?
[20:06] <speeder> apb1963_: yes
[20:06] <speeder> I think
[20:06] <OerHeks> terrible, check out unitytweak-tool
[20:06] <speeder> I am not 100% sure, it isn't my machine
[20:06] <OerHeks> !info unitytweak-tool
[20:06] <apb1963_> speeder, so you didn't make any manual.... oh... yeah... I have a feeling you have some leftovers from manual config.
[20:06] <OerHeks> !info unity-tweak-tool
[20:07] <speeder> any idea on how I track it down?
[20:07] <speeder> or how I reset the DNS?
[20:07] <speeder> I couldn't figure how to make networkmanager change the /etc/resolv.conf file at all
[20:07] <speeder> disabling it, changing connection, etc... nothing worked
[20:07] <speeder> I didn't tried inputting a manual DNS though
[20:07] <apb1963_> speeder, take a look under /etc/network* and see if you see anything
[20:07] <speeder> will do
[20:08] <apb1963_> *anything amiss
[20:08] <ducasse> speeder: also look under /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d
[20:08] <speeder> whoa
[20:09] <newbie|2> ducasse: I had installed it.  From the "internet" tab, I just chose "teamviewer 11"
[20:09] <terrible> OerHeks: i already did but it doesnt give the option that i want only hide and auto-hide
[20:09] <newbie|2> apb1963_: I will try that
[20:11] <apb1963_> what video editing software is available?  I need to modify a .mp4 which is essentially just a powerpoint presentation in .mp4 format as far as I know..  I tried to get avidemux but it's not in Xenial.
[20:13] <MonkeyDust> apb1963_  there's openshot
[20:13] <ducasse> apb1963_: i know of kdenlive and openshot, never tried any of them.
[20:13] <speeder> alright
[20:14] <speeder>  /etc/reoslvconf/resolv.conf.d/ has two files, "head" and another one, that is empty
[20:14] <speeder> the "head" one has only a comment saying it is an automatically generated file
[20:14] <terrible> OerHeks: any help?
[20:14] <speeder> I also deleted /etc/resolv.conf
[20:15] <apb1963_> Yeah... saw the reviews... the "over my head" reviews... can't tell if any of them will do what I want without installing them :/  avidemux seemed to be the ticket but... not in Xenial and I've learned to be afraid of ppa's.
[20:15] <apb1963_> alrighty... thanks guys :)
[20:15] <apb1963_> speeder, I have the same
[20:16] <ducasse> speeder: 'head' and 'base' are actually used for generating the final resolv.conf file.
[20:16] <speeder> I have no final resolv.conf file anywhere now
[20:17] <speeder> and can't figure how to make a new one
[20:18] <dn`> Is there a way to figure out at which pci address e.g. ‘/sys/kernel/debug/dri/4/‘ is connected? (amdgpu)
[20:18] <ducasse> speeder: 'resolvconf -u', i think
[20:19] <apb1963_> speeder, pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[20:22] <Jsync> & for other a comment to you, Mr. Spider on the ceiling, being an individual named Jason that's in a relationship with a female with a Zeus Spouse Name Similarity, "It's good because it's truly good. It's like walking on the ground".
[20:22] <Pici> Jsync: excuse me?
[20:23] <apb1963_> Google says, The resolvconf -u command only updates resolv.conf from resolvconf's own database. You need to update the database.  To update the database you have to call resolvconf with the -a or -d option.
[20:23] <speeder> found the solution to my problem
[20:23] <speeder> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/280264/no-dns-resolution-after-upgrade-from-ubuntu-14-04-to-16-04
[20:23] <speeder> what is missing is this line: sudo ln -s ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[20:24] <logikos> I have a windows10 company laptop, boss wants to keep windows on it and have it be the default boot option but is allowing me to dual boot linux.  I resized the windows partition and added 3 partitions for linux (/, /home, swap) then installed xubuntu .. however after installation when it reboots ubuntu is not a boot option .. its not loading grub (i think)
[20:24] <Jsync> You didn't deserve that much "consideration", & that wasn't really about you, regardless that I directed the comment to you. ;)
[20:24] <speeder> seemly updating upbuntu from 14.04 to 16.04 craps out due to different expectations about resolv.conf being a symlink
[20:24] <Jsync> Just because I squint, that doesn't mean you're brilliant. I mean, "Hell"!! :)
[20:24] <logikos> If i hit F12 during boot i get boot options which only has the option for windows (unless my live usb is inserted then i have an option for it also)
[20:25] <logikos> both windows and ubuntu are using UEFI
[20:25] <logikos> any idea where i went wrong or how i can fix it?
[20:26] <apb1963_> speeder, I don't think that's the solution.  Did it actually fix all your problems, or just restore /etc/resolv.conf ?
[20:28] <speeder> apb1963_: following the solution there that has upvotes fixed all my network woes :)
[20:28] <speeder> so the problem was literally a missing symlink
[20:28] <speeder> (the other stuff I already had done)
[20:28] <apb1963_> that doesn't make sense... unless you actually did delete a file, not a link
[20:29] <speeder> apb1963_: taht is the thing, Ubuntu 14 seemly DIDN'T used that as a symlink, and Ubuntu 16 DOES
[20:29] <speeder> thus networkmanager was happily updating a dns file that my programs never read
[20:29] <akik> speeder: it's a symlink in 14.04 too
[20:29] <speeder> then what happened to the symlink?
[20:30] <speeder> maybe it linked different places?
[20:30] <apb1963_> speeder, we'll never know.  You said you deleted /etc/resolv.conf
[20:30] <speeder> apb1963_: I did, with a rm, like the first line in the solution
[20:30] <apb1963_> speeder, There went all the evidence.
[20:30] <speeder> after I gave up in figuring why it wasn't updating
[20:31] <MonkeyDust> speeder  shouldnt have rm'd it, rather renamed it to foo.bak or so
[20:31] <apb1963_> speeder, To know, we'd have had to see what /etc/resolv.conf really was... a file or a link.  However, why it would be a file in the first place... perhaps your predecessor was monkeying.
[20:32] <apb1963_> speeder, well, it works... happy happy.
[20:32] <apb1963_> I'm off to the video editing races.... tally ho!
[20:32] <speeder> I did tried writing into resolv.conf before erasing it, it never got error, but never got edited either
[20:32] <speeder> (using cat >)
[20:32] <speeder> echo >
[20:32] <speeder> or both
[20:35] <akik> speeder: that's why the file says not to edit it manually
[20:35] <speeder> akik: I only tried to edit it manually to see what would happen
[20:35] <speeder> I never wanted anything manual
[20:35] <terrible> is there a way to replace unity launcher for cairo-dock or another dock bar??
[20:35] <speeder> I have 4 DNS servers provided by my network
[20:35] <speeder> sometimes more
[20:35] <speeder> manual config usually has less
[20:36] <Jsync> The point is, if you don't realize it's a huge security risk to the system & a profound detriment to the global human population now & in the future within a context that the published Lune Names are Greek Pagan Deity Names (mostly female spouse names) & the published Planet Names actually are false names (not associated in slightest context!!), then you people were not as aware as my first comodore!! It's a good technical point, while
[20:37] <vin3> anyone using Smuxi knows how to edit colors of background?
[20:39] <vin3> founded
[20:39] <Pici> vin3: #smuxi supposedly exists here on freenode
[20:41] <marcofe> hello everybody
[20:44] <yokisuci> :q
[20:44] <sayan97>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER sayan97 orhtpytpcexe
[20:45] <Pici> (its not a password)
[20:50] <ikonia> oops/win 14
[20:53] <Irany> Anyone here has used Kubuntu AND Ubuntu + KDE?
[20:53] <Irany> Kubuntu is lighter?
[20:53] <JustAnotherIdiot> how do I make a fake domain? I want the domain vw point to my vps's ip
[20:54] <bindi> JustAnotherIdiot: add it to /etc/hosts
[20:54] <JustAnotherIdiot> oh ok
[20:56] <JustAnotherIdiot> is there a way to have ssh by default login with root instead my username?
[20:57] <bindi> disable root login where ever you are using it
[20:57] <bindi> it's not safe
[20:57] <JustAnotherIdiot> no
[20:58] <chubinou> JustAnotherIdiot: maybe with ssh_config
[20:58] <bindi> :|
[20:58] <JustAnotherIdiot> I use ssh keys
[20:58] <JustAnotherIdiot> I don't see how it would make a difference
[20:59] <JustAnotherIdiot> it would just be more of an annoyance
[21:00] <chubinou> in .ssh/config   Host *\n\tUser root
[21:00] <OerHeks> JustAnotherIdiot, it would be annoyance when default was root.
[21:00] <OerHeks> so set it properly to your conveniance
[21:04] <Jsync> I'd like to make a real quick point about "TRUTH", then I'll stop commenting: It's FALSE to suggest that the eye inverts an image to the brain. The suggestion that the eye sees what's upside down is a detriment to the concept of science of a consequence of invaders' descendants within the North American Continental borders. "This land is Mayan". If it were really so that the eye inverts an image that is transmitted to the brain, then th
[21:04] <ikonia> csop
[21:06] <chubinou> Hello, I upgraded recently my (k)ubuntu from 16.04 to 16.10 and since my screen is blinking, I already tried to downgrade my kernel and video driver but it doesn't make a difference. My computer is a laptop with an "NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 850M]" and a intel chipset
[21:08] <chubinou> dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23385457/
[21:09] <chubinou>   /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23385469/
[21:14] <CtrlC> What is the easiest way to give out a https proxy?
[21:15] <Free99> Hello everyone, I'm on 16.04.1 x64, fully updated. I'm using a CFD application which leans real hard on my CPU to where the system completely freezes. I can't figure out what's up as there are no old syslog or dmesg entries when I reboot and look at the old logs, I tried using the kexec crashdump thing but I can't get that working either. Any ideas?
[21:21] <insy> mkmvd193
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> this page still mentions Breezy Badger as minimum requirement for CFD ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenFOAM
[21:22] <Free99> lol
[21:22] <Free99> I'm using COMSOL multiphysics 5.2
[21:23] <Free99> I've never seen the kernel do a full freeze because the load was too high
[21:24] <AndChat728121> Could anyone spare a few moments to help me set up my partitions? I've been googling for a while but due to the way my Windows 7 partitions are setup, I'm having a lot of issues.
[21:25] <Ben64> AndChat728121: explain
[21:26] <AndChat728121> sda1 is "Windows Boot", sda2 is "Windows Recovery Environment", sda3 is C:/, sda4 is free.
[21:27] <AndChat728121> But preferably I want a home partition, a swap partition and a partition for Ubuntu but I seem to not be able to do that.
[21:27] <Ben64> ok, you should be able to make sda4 extended, and put everything else inside that
[21:27] <AndChat728121> Nope, extended is not an option.
[21:27] <AndChat728121> Only physical and logical.
[21:27] <usr13> sda4 is free?
[21:28] <AndChat728121> Yup. But there's no option to select extended.
[21:28] <Ben64> can you pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l"
[21:28] <AndChat728121> That's what my searches led me to.
[21:28] <usr13> logical
[21:29] <usr13> AndChat728121: Actually, you'll just delete it and re-create it
[21:29] <AndChat728121> I'm pretty sure I tried that. Give me a minute to boot back into the DVD.
[21:29] <usr13> AndChat728121: But you said "sda3 is c:/"  Really?
[21:29] <o|0_0|v_Peace> How can I use gcc-4.9 instead of gcc 6.2.0
[21:30] <AndChat728121> Well, I presume so. It doesn't say anything.
[21:30] <o|0_0|v_Peace> Ubuntu 16.04
[21:30] <usr13> AndChat728121: Ok, well I guess it could be....
[21:30] <AndChat728121> I can take a picture in a moment.
[21:30] <AndChat728121> Just messing around trying to get into WRE at the moment.
[21:30] <Ben64> o|0_0|v_Peace: you don't
[21:30] <usr13> AndChat728121: sda1 is usually C:\
[21:30] <o|0_0|v_Peace> Ben64 Never under any circumstances?
[21:30] <usr13> AndChat728121: How large is sda4?
[21:31] <Ben64> o|0_0|v_Peace: doesn't seem like it's in the repositories, so probably not
[21:31] <o|0_0|v_Peace> Right on, thank you.
[21:31] <AndChat728121> I'll let you know as soon as I boot into the DVD again, sorry. I came unprepared!
[21:32] <usr13> AndChat728121: What you might do is use gparted live CD to delete sda4
[21:32] <usr13> AndChat728121: http://gparted.org/livecd.php
[21:33] <usr13> AndChat728121: But you might even be able to use MS Windows' own partition manager to do it.
[21:33] <john_106> hi guys, can you hel pout with a lubuntu issue?
[21:34] <usr13> john_106: Sure....
[21:34] <AndChat728121> Need to get into WRE first and reinstall Windows. This computer was donated to me earlier so I've only just gotten my hands on it. Seems that the Windows install I'd pretty borked.
[21:34] <usr13> AndChat728121: Just install Ubuntu and ditch MS Windows.  :)
[21:35] <AndChat728121> I need VS for University.
[21:35] <AndChat728121> Amongst other things.
[21:35] <usr13> AndChat728121: Half the work, twice the satisfaction. :)
[21:35] <usr13> AndChat728121: VS?
[21:35] <AndChat728121> Visual Studio.
[21:35] <john_106> im running fresh 16.10 lubuntu, I'm expecting xterm in the "?other" menu but instead have 2 instances of "image magick"
[21:36] <Free99> My fully updated ubuntu 16.04.1 x64 system is crashing when I apply a moderate load to it... can anyone help?
[21:36] <Free99> this is how the system froze: http://s11.postimg.org/uqfmpp1pv/crash.jpg
[21:36] <ikonia> Free99: define crashing
[21:37] <usr13> AndChat728121: Here is what I suggest:  Install Linux, use VirtualBox to install MS Windows and then you'll have your VS
[21:37] <Free99> ikonia, I am running a multiphysics application (COMSOL) which has always worked in the past, but now seems to completely halt the system. SysRq doesn't work, ctrl-f1 nada, nothing
[21:37] <ikonia> Free99: it seems to only be hitting one core too
[21:38] <usr13> AndChat728121: ... that way, you can get started now...
[21:38] <usr13> AndChat728121: Is it Windows 10 or Windows 7 ?
[21:38] <ikonia> Free99: if sysrq is not responding it's normally a hardware lock,
[21:39] <Free99> ikonia, it leaves no trace of what happened in the logs, I tried using linux-crashdump to help but to no avail.
[21:39] <Free99> hmm
[21:39] <ikonia> Free99: I'm having a similar problem with a different distro, so I can appreciate how frustrating it is
[21:39] <ikonia> Free99: I'm currently running a 100 hour memcheck
[21:40] <Free99> I can get this to happen literally every time, within about 5 minutes
[21:40] <ikonia> Free99: it doesn't always mean it is a hardware problem, but it is the most common situation, so like you, I need to remove that doubt as best possible
[21:40] <Free99> frustrating to say the least, trying to get some work done
[21:40] <ikonia> Free99: I can do it in under 3
[21:40] <Free99> lol sheesh
[21:40] <ikonia> Free99: it's annoying as hell, I fully feel your pain
[21:41] <ikonia> I've had to migrate my dhcp service to another device as it was having a huge impact
[21:41] <Free99> ikonia, think it could be a kernel issue?
[21:41] <Free99> I'm on 4.4.0-45
[21:41] <de-facto> i got this too, and i guess for me its nvidia, so might not be related then
[21:41] <ikonia> Free99: is that a stock kernel ?
[21:41] <Free99> yes, EFI signed
[21:41] <ikonia> Free99: why do you think it's a kernel problem out of interest
[21:42] <ikonia> Free99: thats the kernel that ubuntu ships with ?
[21:42] <lgomezcl> what
[21:43] <lgomezcl> ññ
[21:44] <Free99> well when I was on 14.04 I had kernel 4.2 on one previous hardware revision of this laptop
[21:44] <Free99> ikonia, unfortunately I chose to install 16.04 on this new revision of the laptop at the same time as the laptop itself was new, so whether its a hardware issue or kernel issue requires sniffing around for clues
[21:45] <AndChat728121> Oh dear.
[21:45] <AndChat728121> So, I can get onto one of the Windows user accounts but the admin account password is... lost to the ages. So I can't even reinstall Windows using the built-in recovery partition.
[21:45] <AndChat728121> Would it maybe be easier to just wipe the entire HDD, install Ubuntu and leave some space for Windows and deal with the later?
[21:45] <ikonia> Free99: I can see why you'd make that initial assumption as it's "locking" and the kernel isn't responding to sysrq
[21:45] <ikonia> Free99: are there any crash dumps ?
[21:45] <Free99> AndChat728121, it's easier to install windows first because it doesn't respect bootloaders of others
[21:45] <ikonia> Free99: install the kernel debug symbols incase you manage to get a crash dump
[21:45] <AndChat728121> But last time I did something like that I lost the ability to boot at all.
[21:46] <Free99> ikonia, no crash dumps which is why I'm wondering what's going on
[21:46] <AndChat728121> Crap! I guess I need to research if it's possible to hack a W7 admin account. Fun.
[21:46] <ikonia> Free99: and thats the sign that points more at hardware (again not fact), I'm having the same, 1 crash dump after about 4 days of dumping every 3 - 7 minutes
[21:46] <Free99> AndChat728121, it sure is possible
[21:46] <Free99> AndChat728121, http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
[21:46] <ikonia> Free99: I'd suggest you start getting some confidence your hardware is fine, as thats the first point to rule out
[21:46] <de-facto> AndChat728121 maybe you can reset your windows password with sth like http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/  (carefull and at own risk!)
[21:47] <AndChat728121> Worth a shot. There is nothing of value on the entire HDD.
[21:48] <abhishek> hi
[21:49] <abhishek> why doesn't unattended-upgrades work?
[21:49] <abhishek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23385604/
[21:50] <abhishek> any ideas?
[21:51] <hippybear> it did
[21:51] <hippybear> No packages found that can be upgraded unattended and no pending auto-removals
[21:51] <hippybear> Run 'apt list --upgradable
[21:52] <hippybear> also shouldnt neon have its own room?
[21:52] <AndChat728121> Ah ha. Need admin to setup USB tethering. Computer has no wireless support. Ethernet not possible, no modem/router, only a phone with unlimited data. Kill me now.
[21:56] <de-facto> use cdrom or usbstick
[21:56] <AndChat728121> Hopefully ntpaswd will work when burned to a DVD but it mentions only CDs. Only one way to find out!
[21:57] <de-facto> neat-to-have cd/dvd anyhow ;)
[21:58] <juanonymous> Hello my unity disappeared after i opened confiz-settings-manager
[21:58] <AndChat728121> Why is nothing ever easy?
[21:58] <juanonymous> Tried alt-cltl-t to get into the terminal
[21:59] <juanonymous> But it seems gone too
[21:59] <juanonymous> Anything to resolve this issue?
[22:00] <de-facto> juanonymous if you cant get a TTY with Alt Ctrl F1-F? then you might need SysRQ to reboot maybe: Ctr Shift Print + {R,E,I,S,U,B] (hold Ctrl Shift Print and then type those letters slowly, then release all keys)
[22:01] <OerHeks> confiz->compiz
[22:01] <OerHeks> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[22:02] <lakitu> erasmus, cool nick
[22:03] <erasmus> I also have a huge coq.
[22:03] <memo-rmx> hola!!!
[22:03] <spacecub> oh, hi
[22:03] <memo-rmx> que tal!?
[22:04] <spacecub> ive got a root shell, how do i start a root file-manager from there?
[22:05] <lakitu> find your filemanager name and just type it; e.g. "dolphin
[22:05] <lakitu> "
[22:05] <insy> whats the best way to install cinnamon on ubuntu 16-04 with unity, i dont want the complete install just the desktop manager
[22:06] <spacecub> lakitu: no ./ first?
[22:06] <lakitu> no, because it knows it, by being in /usr/sbin or wherever
[22:06] <lakitu> /usr/bin, etc
[22:06] <spacecub> worked, thanky :)
[22:06] <lakitu> yep
[22:07] <debkad> if it is a gui best to use gksu/gksudo
[22:08] <lakitu> debkad probabyl knows better than me there, spacecub
[22:08] <lakitu> probably i mean.
[22:09] <juanonymous> De-facto i am now at tty
[22:10] <juanonymous> Any instructions on what to do next?
[22:10] <juanonymous> Please
[22:16] <protn> do we have DiffMerge like stuff in repo?
[22:16] <protn> gui diff tool
[22:17] <hippybear> protn, http://meldmerge.org ?
[22:17] <Free99> ikonia, so I got my system to crash with "stress-ng --syslog -v --cpus 1 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 4G --timeout 120s", and it never came back after 120s
[22:17] <protn> similar
[22:17] <protn> ty
[22:18] <hippybear> you can also use diff from terminal
[22:18] <hippybear> diff or colordiff
[22:18] <debkad> or cmp may be
[22:19] <Free99> my system has 8G ram, plus 2g swap.. I ran stress-ng as my regular user so it'd still be subject to OOM killing, why didn't that work?
[22:19] <protn> whats the easiest way to use diff to see if two dirs got same files or not?
[22:20] <Ben64> diff dir_a dir_b
[22:20] <protn> kl
[22:25] <AndChat728121> ntpaswd worked.  I'm all for heterogenous clients and stuff but its pretty surprising how bad windows is this time around
[22:32] <AndChat728121> Although Apple have been ruining OS X för the last few years
[22:32] <hippybear> and their security is a joke
[22:32] <StumpDumb> I partitioned a hard drive and installed the Lubuntu install on the partition and it will not go away. I have installed (from USB) Lubuntu several times but it still boots to the installer on the HD partition
[22:32] <hippybear> settings is horrid
[22:32] <linxeh> uh, osx IS unix
[22:32] <hippybear> Apple is just an expensive printer
[22:32] <hippybear> just a status symbol
[22:33] <hippybear> StumpDumb, did you remove the USB after you installed?
[22:33] <linxeh> hippybear: no, it's the most practical desktop environment. I even know canonical employees (that work on Unity) that feel that
[22:33] <StumpDumb> yes,
[22:33] <hippybear> Oh people have a different opinion
[22:33] <hippybear> that seems normal
[22:34] <AndChat728121> But but but I like the pretty UI. Also my 8 year old stock Mac that still worked perfectly fine until I blew it up the other week ain't no status symbol.
[22:34] <StumpDumb> it continuously runs the install from the HD
[22:34]  * nacc feels like we've veered a bit offtopic
[22:34] <hippybear> StumpDumb, then where is it picking up the install.iso from?
[22:34]  * hippybear agrees
[22:34] <AndChat728121> Yeah, sorry. That was my fault.
[22:34]  * hippybear will rope it back in lol
[22:34] <StumpDumb> I partitioned a hard drive and installed the Lubuntu install on the partition and it will not go away. I have installed (from USB) Lubuntu several times but it still boots to the installer on the HD partition
[22:35] <nacc> StumpDumb: what do you mean by "installed the Lubuntu install"?
[22:35] <StumpDumb> I have tried Everything to get rid of the partition that is booting the install
[22:36] <hippybear> youre not really making sense
[22:36] <hippybear> how did you partition?
[22:36] <thgilfodrol> sounds like he cloned the installation media to a partition or something
[22:38] <StumpDumb> partitioned drive to 1G, ran Disk Image Writer to that partition and now it seems permanent
[22:38] <catbadger> 1G?!?!?
[22:38] <mitchell> Howdy!
[22:38] <catbadger> lol
[22:38] <catbadger> howdy mitchell
[22:38] <nacc> StumpDumb: I don't know what "Disk Image Writer" is, but why did you partition your hard drive outside of the installer?
[22:39] <StumpDumb> the files are ~850k
[22:39] <mitchell> So Xubuntu is an official flavor of Ubuntu, so I can ask questions here?
[22:39] <mitchell> But my question doesn't have to do with xfce.
[22:39] <nacc> mitchell: yes
[22:39] <mitchell> Excellent.
[22:40] <StumpDumb> The USB install DOES NOT remove the bootable partition on the drive WHY?
[22:41] <nacc> StumpDumb: did you tell the install to do so?
[22:41] <StumpDumb> So back to my original question How can I low level format a HD?
[22:41] <mitchell> So, I'm having trouble authenticating on the network at work. I disabled networkmanager and installed wicd, which is working, in part because the supplicant that came with networkmanager was not enabled or configured.
[22:41] <mitchell> wicd supports what should be the right authentication for my work network.
[22:42] <mitchell> But I still can't authenticate.
[22:42] <StumpDumb> In the install it asks how to set up the drive, the first selection is erase disk completely, it does not
[22:42] <mitchell> One of the IT guys at work thinks the network is set up to not allow Linux machines to authenticate.
[22:42] <mitchell> First, is that possible?
[22:43] <mitchell> Second, is there a way I can spoof a Windows configuration to the network authentication software?
[22:43] <StumpDumb> The fourth selection is to manually adjust the partition table, the bootable part is not displayed and is uneffected here also
[22:43] <mitchell> (That is, if the answer to the first question is "yes.")
[22:43] <linxeh> mitchell: yes. should you? no.
[22:44] <mitchell> Thaanks, linxeh. Could you please elaborate?
[22:45] <linxeh> mitchell: you can spoof anything - it's just bits over the wire. you said 'at work' - if you don't want to lose your job I'd suggest you don't want to violate their policies (unless you have a waiver allowing you to do this for security research purposes or similar - I've been where you are, and I've been beaten with the stick for not complying)
[22:45] <mitchell> Too true, linxeh.
[22:45] <mitchell> And an *excellent* point.
[22:45] <linxeh> mitchell: in short, find another job - not like clued up people aren't in demand
[22:45] <AndChat728121> What the heck kind of policy is "No Linux" anyway?
[22:45] <mitchell> linxeh, thank you for the compliment.
[22:46] <mitchell> It's not even a *policy*.
[22:46] <akik> mitchell: authenticate for any network access?
[22:46] <mitchell> It's just "This doesn't work... now go figure out why. Maybe."
[22:46] <thgilfodrol> wait, wouldn't that also prohibit android/chrome os stuff?
[22:46] <mitchell> Well, my Android phone gets on their network just fine.
[22:46] <StumpDumb> The install files are 899MB
[22:47] <mitchell> The only competent people in our IT department are the front-line people. Some of them.
[22:47] <homeschooldad> Hi, I need a little help installing a .deb file from the hard drive.  Sorry for being a neub...
[22:47] <nacc> StumpDumb: why do you keep saying that?
[22:47] <mitchell> Linxeh, I love my job--and it's not even in IT.
[22:48] <nacc> StumpDumb: you can reformat your hard drive, if booted into linux, with fdisk, cfdisk, parted, etc
[22:48] <Ben64> homeschooldad: dpkg -i blah.deb .... but you should find the software you want in the repositories or possibly a PPA before doing manual installs
[22:48] <linxeh> mitchell: nor mine, I'm a developer
[22:48] <StumpDumb> The bootable partition does not show up in gparted
[22:48] <homeschooldad> ben
[22:48] <StumpDumb> fdisk
[22:49] <mitchell> linxeh... hmmmm. I see software development as IT, but if software development *were* IT, Google would be one huge IT department.
[22:49] <mitchell> So, good point again.
[22:49] <Ben64> StumpDumb: then it doesn't exist
[22:49] <mitchell> But I'm an academic law librarian (and a lawyer). I'm just *sick to death* of Windows.
[22:49] <homeschooldad> ben64 - thanks do I need to cd into the directory that blah.deb is in?
[22:50] <linxeh> I see IT as those that provision computer systems (which is how pretty much every business and recruitment agency label it too)
[22:50] <Ben64> homeschooldad: or specify where it is, yes. but really, installing a deb manually is probably not what you want to do
[22:50] <nacc> mitchell: linxeh: i feel like this has veered offtopic
[22:51] <homeschooldad> Ben64 - I tried to use the ubuntu software installer but it craps outs and needs admin password
[22:51] <AndChat728121> Okay, I could use some help setting up my partitions. I've reset Windows to factory settings and now I'd like to add 3 partitions for Ubuntu - swap, root, home. But Window is taking up three partitions.
[22:51] <linxeh> nacc: I would agree; time to switch channels...
[22:51] <Ben64> homeschooldad: what are you trying to install? you need admin password to install a deb as well
[22:51] <StumpDumb> wen I boot with Only the HD connected, it goes into the Lubuntu install....select language....I have removed all partitions and formated the entire HD, yet it STILL runs the install
[22:52] <AndChat728121> I googled this earlier for a while and the solution seems to be "select extended" but it is not an option.
[22:52] <mitchell> nacc: Only if you think that stopping me from getting fired while learning about Linux isn't Linux support.
[22:52] <homeschooldad> ben64 - I have admin.  https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/
[22:52] <Ben64> AndChat728121: did you ever show your partitioning here like it was asked for?
[22:52] <nacc> mitchell: this isn't "Linux support"
[22:53] <AndChat728121> I didn't because I was trying to fix Windows, sorry. I shall do so now, Ben64.
[22:53] <mitchell> linxeh: No, I get it--after you made the implicit distinction.
[22:53] <nacc> StumpDumb: can you provide the partitioning output for that disk?
[22:54] <nacc> StumpDumb: you can always zero out the disk, I really don't know what you did to put hte installer on the disk itself, which is rather abnormal
[22:54] <StumpDumb> Im looking at FDisk now
[22:55] <Ben64> StumpDumb: pastebin the output of 'sudo parted -l'
[22:57] <akik> AndChat728121: if you have three primary partitions, you can create the 4th partition as extended, and then create logical partitions under the extended partition
[22:57] <homeschooldad> ben64 - the file is at the link i posted.  its web conference software
[22:57] <Ben64> i know what teamviewer is
[22:58] <AndChat728121> Extended ws not an option, only logical and physical. Once Acer stops installing bloatware I will boot immediately into my Ubuntu disc.
[22:59] <akik> AndChat728121: i guess the installer hides that extended partition setup from you, but that's what is happening
[22:59] <homeschooldad> Ben64 - I didn't. sorry - double click doesnt work, and neither does dropping into ubuntu software
[22:59] <Ben64> homeschooldad: how does it not work
[22:59] <akik> i hate that information is hidden from the user
[23:00] <homeschooldad> Ben64 - I get a gui with and "instal" button.  I click the install button and it starts and then stops with out installing
[23:00] <AndChat728121> 10/15 bloatwares installed! What a joke.
[23:00] <StumpDumb> Just posted it in pastebin     "Lubuntu Boot"
[23:00] <Ben64> homeschooldad: ok so try 'sudo dpkg -i blah.deb'
[23:00] <Ben64> StumpDumb: you need to give the link here
[23:00] <homeschooldad> ok
[23:01] <StumpDumb> http://pastebin.com/62w8F9M4
[23:02] <StumpDumb> Is it booting from the zram0, I thot that was cleared on reboot
[23:02] <Ben64> what kind of machine is it
[23:03] <StumpDumb> Is the machine inquiry for me?
[23:03] <Ben64> yes
[23:03] <Guestie> I've been using Ubuntu Desktop for the past couple of weeks now. The Ubuntu Software Center is always bugging out. After I've installed packages with it, it still says "install" on the package.
[23:04] <nacc> Guestie: use gnome-software not hte ubuntu software center
[23:04] <homeschooldad> ben64- thanks for the help - the file is corrupt.  I'll resort to a (shudder) windoze box for tonight.  =)
[23:04] <nacc> Guestie: is my recommendation :)
[23:04] <Guestie> And, I've had it once where it wouldn't install packages, try after try. Is the Ubuntu Software Center a work-in-progress on working out the bugs?
[23:05] <nacc> Guestie: ubuntu is rmeoving the software-center package probably at some point (from the development release) during this cycle
[23:06] <hanshenrik> how the heck does this happen? http://paste.debian.net/890184/
[23:06] <StumpDumb> Its an old machine....Omni OTC-H3122D00
[23:07] <Guestie> I am using Ubuntu TLS 16.04. Should I get a new version? I don't have time to have to deal with computer issues, so I don't want to install an unstable version of Ubuntu.
[23:07] <nacc> Guestie: no, LTS is your best bet if you want stability
[23:07] <nacc> Guestie: as i said, just use gnome software and it should be fine
[23:08] <protn> hmm I used diff merge its gui sucky
[23:08] <protn> any tool that shows in GUI itself diff files if any
[23:08] <protn> dir, file, comparison
[23:08] <Tortillion> Hello!
[23:08] <protn> :P
[23:09] <nacc> hanshenrik: not sure, maybe provide more data like `ls -ahl` output for .ssh?
[23:10] <hanshenrik> nacc, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7e042174/
[23:10] <nacc> hanshenrik: may need to use sudo temporarily just to get the output
[23:11] <hanshenrik> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2c237cba/
[23:11] <protn> in fact diff merge is nice
[23:11] <protn>  btw who is girl here?>
[23:11] <nacc> protn: irrelevant question for this channel.
[23:11] <protn> dodge29: hi
[23:11] <protn> :P
[23:11] <protn> natalia ok
[23:12] <nacc> hanshenrik: hrm, you can see that i think your chmod also didn't actually work (o+rwx)
[23:12] <andinoh> Which command patches kernel security holes..apt get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[23:13] <hanshenrik>  nacc seems so. annoying that chmod didnt say anything (and yes i was reading stderr too)
[23:13] <usr13> dist-upgrade will find new kernel if there is one.
[23:13] <nacc> hanshenrik: yeah, is there a reason you've made your .ssh so permissive?
[23:13] <hanshenrik> cus now that i did it from root, i can access it from hanshenrik
[23:13] <hanshenrik> nacc, BECAUSE I COULDNT ACCESS IT. rest assured, i will fix it now
[23:14] <nacc> hanshenrik: ah sure
[23:14] <hanshenrik> chmod -R 0600 .ssh     right?
[23:14] <andinoh> usr13, thanks..
[23:14] <usr13> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:14] <nacc> hanshenrik: 600 for the directory, certainly; not sure of the default perms otherwise
[23:15] <Free99> stranger and stranger... memtest reports no errors, but it's obvious that my system crashes when I am running a memory-heavy program
[23:15] <usr13> andinoh: It's what I do for updates...
[23:15] <Free99> only changes I've made are to swappiness and using dphys-swapfile instead of regular swap
[23:15] <hippybear> hanshenrik, isnt it 644?
[23:15] <Tortillion> I have a Pentium M processor, will Libre Office be slow on my  Lubuntu laptop?
[23:15] <hippybear> nvm 600
[23:15] <hanshenrik> hippybear, pretty sure that would allow everyone to read my private keys ^^
[23:15] <andinoh> usr13: will do that..
[23:15] <hippybear> Free99, is it KDE?
[23:16] <nacc> Free99: system crashes or goes OOM? are you out of memory?
[23:16] <hanshenrik> hippybear, maybe 644 for my public key
[23:16] <hanshenrik> (allow the ssh server to read it?)
[23:16] <Free99> no xfce... program causing the crash is COMSOL multiphysics
[23:16] <hippybear> I had an issue with it killing my cpu
[23:17] <nacc> hanshenrik: my public is 644 here, true
[23:17] <nacc> Free99: what kind of crash?
[23:18] <leavd> Tortillion: think you should be ok
[23:18] <Free99> nacc, complete system freeze, no sysrq, no tty
[23:18] <nacc> Free99: are your disks spinning up trying to swap? do you have a serial console?
[23:18] <Tortillion> Leavd: Ok thank you for your help
[23:18] <hippybear> same with my KDE
[23:18] <Free99> nacc, SSD, no serial console
[23:19] <hippybear> loaded the splash screen to 50% then just sits there to eternity
[23:19] <nacc> Free99: it sounds like you're putting significant memory pressure on your system; not sure you should expect responsiveness
[23:19] <nacc> Free99: you could try netconsole, etc., to see if the kernel is still up
[23:20] <Free99> nacc, thing is when I rung "stress-ng --vm 2 --vm-bytes 4G --timeout 120s" the system stops responding, but never comes back
[23:20] <kicksled> Tortillion: but if you're having problems Abiword and Gnumeric should be even more lightweight and work better
[23:21] <Free99> nacc, I've got 8G ram, 2g swap
[23:21] <Tortillion> kicksled: Thank you,  I think LibreOffice is fast enough
[23:22] <hanshenrik> nacc, i do barely recall something about public key + ssh server + 0644 , i guess that's it ^^
[23:22] <nacc> Free99: right, so you've overcommitted your system -- i mean 8G of workload on a 10G system, so it's going to swap constantly, probably?
[23:22] <nacc> Free99: well, to be clear, 8G on a 8G system, with no room for the kernel overhead itself, which means it will swap constantly
[23:23] <Free99> nacc, sure there will be pressure, SSD though and I gave it 10 minutes to return... no traces of anything in logs, and I bumped the offending processes oom score adj up to 800
[23:24] <Free99> nacc, peep this: http://s11.postimg.org/uqfmpp1pv/crash.jpg
[23:24] <Free99> this never happened on 14.04
[23:27] <nacc> Free99: not really sure; without actually getting the crash output, it's hard to debug anything. The two top processes in that picture are using more RSS than htop says you have, though. So at some point, if you leave htop open, htop stops refreshing?
[23:28] <Free99_> sorry, did you say something?
[23:30] <nacc> Free99_: not really sure; without actually getting the crash output, it's hard to debug anything. The two top processes in that picture are using more RSS than htop says you have, though. So at some point, if you leave htop open, htop stops refreshing?
[23:31] <protn> folks I use diffmerge and it shows 2 dirs got same files yet when I start ftp dir 1 into dir 2 I get same file warning
[23:31] <protn> ...
[23:31] <Free99_> nacc yeah, the whole system stops... clock stops, everything
[23:31] <AndChat728121> Ben64 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxnU6N4VAZ5mWC0yZHJlS0R4MDQ/view?usp=drivesdk
[23:31] <protn> i selected show equivalent files in diffmerge
[23:31] <Free99_> but not even sysrq b works
[23:32] <protn> what I am missing
[23:32] <Ben64> AndChat728121: you don't have a free partition
[23:32] <nacc> Free99_: sounds like you would need a serial console to debug it further (or netconsole, maybe, but if the kernel is locking up that hard, the network stack may be dead)
[23:32] <skinux> Looking for a little help. I've borrowed a portable CD/DVD drive from a friend. It simply connects via USB (ofcourse), I have no software to install. I cannot get Ubuntu to see it at all. Is there some kind of driver I need to install?
[23:33] <Ben64> skinux: plug it in, pastebin the output of "dmesg | tail -n50"
[23:34] <Free99_> nacc, perhaps linux-crashdump?
[23:34] <AndChat728121> Yes Ben64, sda3 is C:/ and sda4 is D:/, on Windows. If I delete sda4, and then create an Ext4 partition, extended is not an option.
[23:34] <Ben64> AndChat728121: logical = extended
[23:35] <OerHeks> without gpt, extended with logical partitions would be your only option
[23:36] <nacc> Free99_: you could try and setup kdump, yeah
[23:36] <john[m]> Fjff
[23:36] <AndChat728121> When I delete sda4 and make it logical, I can't add any "child" partitions.
[23:36] <usr13> AndChat728121: Well, you would delete sda4 and creating the new partitions can be done with Ubuntu installer's partition manager.
[23:36] <usr13> AndChat728121: Why not?
[23:36] <AndChat728121> It is all created a a child of sda and named sda5, instead of sda4 like before.
[23:37] <AndChat728121> ... because the button is greyed out.
[23:37] <OerHeks> just leave the space blanc, let ubuntu do the partitioning
[23:37] <Ben64> AndChat728121: sda5 is in the extended partition
[23:38] <AndChat728121> Right. Now how do I create a home partition and a swap and one for Ubuntu?
[23:38] <Ben64> create more than one partition
[23:38] <AndChat728121> It won't let me create more than 4
[23:38] <AndChat728121> I can't!
[23:38] <Ben64> it will
[23:38] <AndChat728121> It's greyed out.
[23:39] <Ben64> you're doing it wrong
[23:39] <AndChat728121> The plus.
[23:39] <AndChat728121> Right. Helpful.
[23:39] <Ben64> start up the live system, open gparted and do it there
[23:40] <AndChat728121> Maybe it's because I enabled encryption and LVM. I'll try without, I guess.
[23:41] <usr13> AndChat728121: Yea, as Ben64 points out, the extended partition contains the logical ones.  If you designated hda4 as extended, you should be able to create sda5 sda6 and sda7
[23:43] <tgm4883> Does the RX480 work on 16.04 at all or do I need to upgrade to 16.10? I thought I read that it works on 16.04 now?
[23:43] <AndChat728121> Here's what I did. Select sda4. Click minus. Select free space. Click plus. Select logical. Select beginning of this space. Use as Ext4. Mount point none, because it will be the sub-partitions that have mount points, no?
[23:43] <Ben64> AndChat728121: no
[23:43] <usr13> (I said hda4 but I meant sda4)
[23:43] <Tortillion> I also have another question if you don't mind me asking: Does Lubuntu have less functionality than Ubuntu, and will Ubuntu run slower than Lubuntu on my Pentium M computer?
[23:44] <Guest50913> newbee...lol
[23:44] <Ben64> Tortillion: no and yes
[23:44] <usr13> AndChat728121: You need to delete sda4, re-create it as an extended partition, and then you can create sda5 sda6 and sda7 for / and /home and swap
[23:45] <Tortillion> So everything I can do in Ubuntu I can do in Lubuntu? So theres no point in using Ubuntu right.
[23:45] <rocket__> whats lubuntu?
[23:45] <nacc> !lubuntu | rocket__
[23:45] <AndChat728121> That's what I thought I did. Logical is extended, no? There is no "extended".
[23:45] <OerHeks> Jan 28, 2015 - The vast majority of Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs are suitable for fakepae or forcepae and can work with PAE kernels. But some of these ...
[23:46] <Tortillion> I can forcepae and it worked
[23:46] <Ben64> AndChat728121: sda4 is the extended one
[23:46] <nacc> Tortillion: lubuntu is ubuntu -- you're just using a different DE
[23:46] <AndChat728121> I was told to delete sda4. It was NTFS (D:/).
[23:46] <hippybear> man OerHeks I have seen your name in here since I first started using ubuntu
[23:46] <Tortillion> Oh right
[23:46] <Tortillion> Thanks
[23:47] <usr13> AndChat728121: Logical partitions are the ones inside of the Extended partition.  You have primary, extended and logical.
[23:47] <Ben64> AndChat728121: yep, then you make it into an extended partition
[23:47] <nacc> quit
[23:47] <hippybear> nou
[23:47] <usr13> AndChat728121: Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/PartitioningBasics
[23:47] <AndChat728121> There is no "extended". So logical, right? Which is what I did.
[23:47] <Ben64> AndChat728121: if you have sda5, then sda4 is the extended partition
[23:48] <usr13> AndChat728121: You need to decide how many linux partitions you want.  Minimum is 2 for / and swap, sda5 and sda6
[23:49] <usr13> AndChat728121: One large one and one small one, (the size of RAM).
[23:49] <usr13> AndChat728121: sda4 - extemded    sda5 - logical    sda6 - logical
[23:49] <AndChat728121> I'll take a look but it's literally size, type, location, use as, mount point. Would take seconds to list the correct options and will take me presumably longer to figure it out. I've been fighting computer /all day/. Excuse the crankiness.
[23:50] <AndChat728121> I can't add anything after sda4.
[23:50] <Ben64> AndChat728121: presumably because you took up all the space with sda5
[23:50] <usr13> AndChat728121: Sometimes it takes a while for the concept to sink in.
[23:51] <Free99_> nacc, I got the system to come back from death
[23:51] <usr13> AndChat728121: How much free space do you have?  (Size of sda4)...
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Tortillion: Have you seen : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE/PentiumM ?
[23:51] <usr13> AndChat728121: How much RAM do you have?
[23:51] <AndChat728121> Oh. I misunderstood then. I figured I'd create an extended partition that uses all the space and then be able to split that into three.
[23:52] <AndChat728121> I am not good with partition.
[23:52] <nacc> Free99_: pastebin dmesg?
[23:52] <usr13> AndChat728121: Correct.
[23:52] <nacc> Free99_: and how? :)
[23:52] <OerHeks> just leave the space blanc, let ubuntu do the partitioning
[23:52] <usr13> AndChat728121: How much free space do you have?
[23:52] <AndChat728121> It complains about that.
[23:52] <AndChat728121> 493882 MB
[23:52] <Free99_> so I had to re-enable sysrq, it is apparently disabled beyond increasing log levels (see /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf) and then I kept leaning on alt-sysrq-f and it took a few minutes but the system reappeared
[23:53] <usr13> AndChat728121: And how much RAM?
[23:53] <AndChat728121> I was thinking 8 GB swap and splitting the rest between home and the install?
[23:53] <nacc> Free99_: yes, magic sysrq is disabled (you can also change it with a kernel command parameter, iirc)?
[23:53] <AndChat728121> 4 but will upgrade to 8 or 16 soon.
[23:54] <usr13> AndChat728121: So make sda5 8G and designate as swap.  Make sda6 to occupy the rest of the free space you have.
[23:55] <usr13> AndChat728121: or make sda5 16G and designate as swap.  Make sda6 to occupy the rest of the free space
[23:55] <tgm4883> Using 16.04.1, trying to upgrade from a GTX 760 (prop drivers) to an RX 480 (amdgpu driver) but upon rebooting amdgpu isn't getting loaded and I'm stuck at 1024x768
[23:56] <veter> Hello, how to make that my second HDD in laptop mount with more simple name? http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1477526097.png
[23:56] <Ben64> !fstab | veter
[23:56] <usr13> veter: Create a fstab entry for it.
[23:57] <AndChat728121> Is there any advantage to having a partition for /home and another for /?
[23:57] <usr13> AndChat728121: Yes.  If you re-install and you have separate /home partition, it can be left as is during install.
[23:57] <AndChat728121> Thanks for your patience. Mine ran out about eight hours ago.
[23:57] <Free99_> nacc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23386071/
[23:57] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: You did remove the old nVidia driver ?
[23:57] <AndChat728121> Okay, cool
[23:58] <Free99_> and to change sysrq, just sysctl -w kernel.sysrq=1
[23:58] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: yep, old nvidia is removed and purged
[23:58] <usr13> AndChat728121: If you have separate /home partition, make it the biggest.  Like 100G for / and 8G for swap and the rest for /home
[23:58] <Free99_> this is territory I'm unfamiliar with, rsize and such
[23:59] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: I can modprobe the amdgpu driver, but restarting lightdm doesn't show any better resolution in the display manager