[00:38] <kaushal> Hi
[00:39] <kaushal> I am hit with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/548617 Any fix is available for this bug ?
[00:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 548617 in kickseed "Fresh kickstart installation of lucid fails, - asking for ISCSI volumes (dup-of: 546929)" [Undecided,New]
[00:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 546929 in linux "most PATA/SATA modules missing in Lucid netboot" [Critical,Fix released]
[00:39] <kaushal> I am using PXE server to install lucid 10.04.3 on IBM System x3650 M3
[01:44] <kaushal> checking in again for the query ?
[19:41] <stgraber> cjwatson: still about casper, I'd like to have your opinion on http://paste.ubuntu.com/770419/ as a fix of bug 290351
[19:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 290351 in casper "live session user and host should be called kubuntu on kubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290351
[19:42] <stgraber> cjwatson: I confirmed it works on Edubuntu (yay for kvm letting you boot with an external kernel and initrd ;)) and it should work on pretty much anything that doesn't give us an invalid username
[19:42] <stgraber> I also did a quick check in casper's code to ensure we use $USERNAME everywhere (and we do!)
[19:43] <stgraber> I'm just wondering if we have cases where .disk/info exists but contains something that's invalid or something that wouldn't give us the intended username
[19:54] <GrueMaster> Does anyone here know how to set the mac address on the image during netinstall through preseed?  I have several platforms that the only nic doesn't have static mac (no flash).  I can set it in the kernel parameters when booting netinstall, but need netinstall to transfer that to the running system.
[19:59] <GrueMaster> ubuntu
[20:00] <GrueMaster> bah.  wrong window.
[20:01] <stgraber> GrueMaster: and knowing you, I'm guessing that's on ARM? so preseeding grub's kernel parameters won't help right?
[20:01] <GrueMaster> Yea, grub-free environment.  :P
[20:02] <stgraber> ok, and I guess flash-kernel still doesn't have a configuration or anything you could change to add a kernel paramemter...
[20:02] <GrueMaster> I think I can only set it on the boot cmdline.  I'm checking if I can just append to /etc/network/interfaces.
[20:02] <stgraber> you could do it the ugly way in /etc/network/interfaces by using a pre-up on the interface with something like "ifconfig eth0 hw addr aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff"
[20:02] <stgraber> I can't remember if ifupdown has a standard way of doing it though
[20:02] <GrueMaster> Well, for Panda, kernels from Natty+ set the mac from the cpu die-id.  Maverick is borked.  Also omap.
[20:10] <GrueMaster> sigh.  Looks like it needs to be a module parameter.  And since this module is built-in to the kernel, it needs to be on the kernel cmdline.
[20:10] <GrueMaster> Which means editing /boot/boot.script.
[20:25] <CIA-4> partman-auto: superm1 * r618 partman-auto/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[20:25] <CIA-4> partman-auto: Remove the use of 'local' in shell scripts outside of functions. Newer
[20:25] <CIA-4> partman-auto: shell script interpreters in precise complain otherwise.
[20:27] <CIA-4> partman-auto: superm1 * r619 partman-auto/debian/changelog: releasing version 93ubuntu18
[20:29] <GrueMaster> stgraber: I'm going to have to hack it in for panda.  Only need it for maverick and I am using a hand-assembled netinstaller anyways.  I'll revisit when I need this for beagleXM and other platforms.
[20:45] <cjwatson> stgraber: seems OK, I think - maybe allow it to be overridden by an explicit FLAVOUR= in casper.conf (i.e. && [ -z "$FLAVOUR" ] around the whole thing)?
[20:46] <stgraber> cjwatson: good idea, I'll add that, then upload what I have so far and test the next dailies, I don't like uploading more than 4-5 casper changes at a time :)
[20:46] <cjwatson> superm1: nice catch, thanks
[20:46] <superm1> sure np
[21:35] <roadmr> hey folks, Ubiquity is giving me an [Errno 5] Input/output error with a bunch of SQUASHFS errors (inflate error, failed to read block, fragment cache entry)
[21:36] <roadmr> this is a network install with a preseed file, I tried to rule out the usual suspects (network corruption, memory, hard disk failure ) so far all the tests have passed
[21:36] <roadmr> I know the installation image itself is OK because I've installed other systems with the same
[21:37] <roadmr> any more ideas on how to diagnose this? :)
[22:04] <CIA-4> ubiquity: stgraber * r5111 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py): Recent casper generates the username and hostname based on the media name, replacing hardcoded casper_user by the username of uid 999.


[00:10] <winstonG> how can i sync ipod touch?
[00:11] <valorie> if you want to use the Apple sync, you'll probably have to run iTunes in Wine
[00:12] <valorie> files can be moved back and forth, but their sync isn't made available outside of iTunes
[00:12] <valorie> !ipod
[00:16] <valorie> winstonG: ^^^
[00:16] <valorie> so I guess the answer to your question is, what do you mean by sync?
[00:17] <valorie> the links above should help more than I know
[00:17] <winstonG> valorie: my amarok can see that there's an ipod
[00:17] <winstonG> but cannot see the stuff in it
[00:18] <winstonG> valorie: thanks i'll check the links
[00:24] <valorie> they have a non-standard file-system, which sucks a bit
[00:31] <avihay> hi, my computer just crashed. I want to know why. where should I look? /var/log/dmesg.1 ?
[00:35] <DaemonFC> ksystemlog makes going through those log files easier
[00:35] <DaemonFC> :)
[00:53] <winut> hi! does muon work properly in 11.04? thanks
[00:55] <winut> package manager
[00:56] <valorie> yes, for me it does
[00:56] <valorie> I've been using it for many months
[00:57] <winut> oh, thats great news. hopefully it'll be fixed for 11.10 launch :-) thanks
[00:57] <winut> i'm using synaptic until they iron out the bugs
[00:57] <winut> plus its much better and nicer than synaptic :-)
[00:58] <winut> any idea on how to get gnome-keyring to load on login? thanks
[00:58] <valorie> I think Jontheechidna hasn't been around in IRC lately
[00:59] <winut> using evolution mail atm and that requires gnome keyring, as its not programmed to use kwallet
[00:59] <valorie> right, I'm trying out Tomboy notes and ubuntuone, and it starts for me
[00:59] <valorie> i have to put in my password every time, of course
[01:00] <valorie> this would be an #ubuntu question I think
[01:00] <winut> however, evolution still prompts for the password, albeit just 1 with gnome-keyring installed. however, would be better to open without password. any ideas? thanks
[01:00] <valorie> there is a ##evolution  channel
[01:01] <valorie> not sure if that's what you need or not
[01:01] <winut> okay, cool :-P thanks again
[01:01] <valorie> it has no channel /topic
[01:01] <valorie> so it could be about the biological process
[01:01] <valorie> lol
[01:02] <winut> mmm, 4 users, better than none i guess
[01:02] <winut> thats including me btw!
[01:03] <winut> however, thats at #evolution
[01:03] <[Relic]> n #ubuntu
[01:04] <winut> ill ask in +1, as im on kubuntu 11.10 using evolution 3
[01:49] <volty> hi, wine-1.2.2 installed via meta, how can I configure it to switch to 1.3 ?
[01:50] <winut> wine1.3
[01:50] <winut> remove and replace with the above version
[01:51] <winut> i use the winehq ppa, not sure if it s the same version
[01:51] <winut> sorry, what is meta?
[01:52] <volty> winut: wasn't there a utility to choose the versions used (I can't remember the cmd)
[01:52] <winut> why do you need both?
[01:53] <volty> meta package is kind of symbolic link pointing to which version to install by default
[01:53] <volty> said in a primitive way
[01:53] <winut> ok, thats fine, maybe i jumped off the handle here! lol
[01:55] <winut> volty: do you deal with volts?
[01:55] <volty> not at all :)
[01:56] <winut> no electric guitar?
[01:56] <valorie> http://www.google.com/search?q=volty&hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=4vm&channel=fs&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=sE91TqWBGKrhiAKuxP2yAg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBQQ_AUoAQ&biw=1071&bih=657 ?
[01:56] <winut> thats a link and a half :-) !
[01:57] <valorie> sorry, should have shortened it
[01:57] <volty> volty is just a diminutive of Voltaire
[01:57] <winut> yeah, bloody right, pastbin for ftw! lol
[01:57] <winut> now you lost me again! lol
[01:57] <valorie> google searches should offer short URLS !
[01:58] <valorie> looks like a motorcycle every time
[01:58] <valorie> when the search term is "volty"
[01:58] <winut> so much meta data
[01:58] <volty> let me try
[01:58] <volty> http://www.google.com/search?q=volty&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[01:59] <volty> valorie: i suggest you to learn about web shortcuts and klipper, an amazing combination!
[02:00] <winut> has anyone see a kk app for kde? (sic bad joke)
[02:01] <winut> sorry, thats inappropriate
[02:15] <winut> so voltaire invented an linux window manager called enlightenment, awesome :-)
[02:16] <valorie> volty, I know and love klipper
[02:16] <valorie> but do not know how you got that web shortcut
[02:17] <valorie> I mean I know the konqueror ones
[02:18] <volty> so go konqueror settings edit the gg shortcuts and just put http://www.google.com/search?q=\{@}   (even without utf8)
[02:18] <volty> gg shortcut
[02:18] <valorie> I see
[02:19]  * valorie is using FF for the most part
[02:19] <valorie> Konq and Rekonq both have weaknesses I don't have patience for
[02:21] <N9NU> anyone know what the CLI command is to re-start the taskbar (bottom panel)
[02:21] <volty> i see, some tweaking with ff  too, but i  don't see the edit option for bookmarks
[02:22] <volty> N9NU: not sure,  plasma-desktop
[02:22] <N9NU> ill try that
[02:22] <volty> once upon the time it used to be a separate one
[02:29] <volty> valorie: are you there?
[04:24] <casey> Hi! Can someone help me with an easy one? I'm locked out of my computer because it's booting into a broken Gnome session and i can't figure out how to get it back to KDE...
[04:26] <casey> I logged out of KDE, chose a gnome session, did some testing, tried to log out of gnome and chose "default session" hoping to get back to KDE...
[04:27] <casey> It hung there, and on a reboot it goes to a Gnome desktop with no menus/keybord shortcuts/etc. Just the desktop. I just want the X startup scripts to go back to KDE, or at least a way to get to the KDM login manager so i can get out of this trap...
[04:31] <valorie> !boot
[04:32] <valorie> maybe some help there, casey?
[04:33] <casey> hi valorie - i'd love some help. Was that boot option line directed at me?
[04:33] <valorie> yes
[04:33] <valorie> I've never seen your exact situation before
[04:34] <valorie> but those seem like they might offer some help
[04:34] <casey> Thanks. I'm not having grub-level trouble. It's booting fine. The issue is somewhere in the x stuff... xinitrc, kdm configs, etc... I'm trying to figure out where the default session is remembered, etc.
[04:34] <casey> Somehow running gnome caused it to remember gnome as the default session...
[04:35] <casey> and since gnome isn't starting up correctly, i can't switch back. :-(
[04:35] <valorie> not very nice of that gnome session, for sure
[04:35] <casey> agreed. :-)
[04:35] <valorie> !kdm
[04:35] <casey> Sorry, i'm a noob... what is the meaning of the "!" there?
[04:35] <valorie> ubottu doesn't know about kdm
[04:35] <valorie> it asks the bot a question
[04:35] <casey> ah.
[04:36] <valorie> you can do it too
[04:36] <valorie> !wireless
[04:36] <valorie> etc.
[04:36] <casey> yeah, i've been googling around trying to sort through the nest of config files and so forth, but i can't track down exactly where kdm (which is running, and presumably starting gnome) is getting the idea that gnome is the session to use...
[04:37] <valorie> !init
[04:37] <valorie> heh
[04:37] <casey> Doh.
[04:37] <valorie> it's just a database
[04:37] <valorie> !ubottu
[04:37] <casey> Got it. Handy.
[04:38] <Lithos84> casey: Perhaps if you remove "gnome-session".
[04:38] <casey> Thanks - remove it from where?
[04:38] <Lithos84> casey: From a console: sudo apt-get remove gnome-session
[04:39] <casey> oh, thanks. I'd like to not uninstall things just yet, though obviously i will if i have to... somewhere is a config file that's causing this...
[04:39] <casey> since kdm is still running (as it should be) and gdm is not, i'm assuming that kdm is what is starting the gnome session, right?
[04:40] <casey> i've looked in /etc/kde4/kdm
[04:40] <Lithos84> casey: Can't you choose KDE as login session on KDM?
[04:41] <casey> KDM doesn't come up... i had it set for autologin, which i presume is why it now flies right into the broken gnome session...
[04:41] <casey> i know there's a file somewhere that has something like "autologin=true" or whatever... hopefully with session selection stuff as well (?)... can't remember where it is.... arrrggghhhh....
[04:44] <casey> Aha...
[04:45] <casey> /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc has AutoLoginEnable... just set it to false... booting...
[04:46] <casey> I think KDM logs into the last session... since gnome died when i was trying to log out, it remembered gnome
[04:46] <casey> bingo, i'm back in! :-)
[04:46] <casey> well, that took longer than it should have. :-) Thanks for the suggestions.
[04:47] <Lithos84> casey: Good! (^^)
[04:47] <casey> It's always the easiest stuff that hangs me up the longest.
[05:51] <LINKSWORD2> Hey everybody, what's up?
[05:52] <LINKSWORD2> So I'm working on my friend's laptop, and apparently it's behaving really weirdly.
[05:52] <LINKSWORD2> It's got Kubuntu 11.04 on it, but flash-objects are super slow.
[05:52] <LINKSWORD2> The Kubuntu alternative to Flash Player is really acting like molasses in January.
[06:04] <e_t_> LINKSWORD2: You're (or your friend) using Gnash?
[06:05] <LINKSWORD2> I know just enough about Kubuntu to get myself in trouble. lol
[06:06] <LINKSWORD2> What is Gnash?
[06:08] <e_t_> LINKSWORD2: You talked about "The Kubuntu alternative to Flash Player". So far as I know, the only alternative to Adobe's Flash is Gnash, the GNU Foundation's flash interpreter.
[06:09] <LINKSWORD2> OK, that may be it.
[06:09] <LINKSWORD2> Either way, it's behaving like frozen molasses.
[06:12] <LINKSWORD2> My system runs just fine with the regular Flash Player installed, but my friend's does not.
[06:13] <LINKSWORD2> I'm using a full Kubuntu installation on an "older than the dark ages" Compaq, while he's got an HP laptop of approximately the same age. (Roughly 8 years.)
[06:15] <e_t_> LINKSWORD2: I'd suggest trying Adobe's flash (sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer). I've never been able to get Gnash to work for me.
[06:16] <LINKSWORD2> I figured.
[06:16] <LINKSWORD2> Well, we're going to back up his system, and start over fresh. Then I'll do that.
[06:18] <valorie> !gnash
[06:18] <valorie> I use the non-free flash
[06:18] <valorie> and it works OK
[06:18] <valorie> not great
[06:18] <valorie> I hope html5 works, and gets here soon
[06:30] <deis> so does wubi just fail when you have multiple hard drives?
[06:31] <deis> in a raid 0
[06:57] <valorie> !wubi | deis
[09:05] <spartan137> Hallo at all
[09:06] <spartan137> Goood morning
[09:06] <spartan137> Can someone tell me what is the reason of apache2 autostart service in Kubuntu?
[09:18] <spartan137> I saw 5 apache2 processes in system monitor, so i would know what is the reason for wich i have these apache server running.
[09:20] <valorie> spartan137: do you have it set up as a server?
[09:21] <valorie> I've never seen any Apache entries in my system mon
[09:23] <spartan137> hallo at all, Good sunday.
[09:24] <spartan137> I see in system monitor that i have 5 apache2 server processes running. Can someone tell me why?
[09:31] <valorie> you didn't answer my question, spartan137
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> it's probably just session saving gone wrong - login with a new session
[09:37] <diego21> hi, imposible to format my pendrive. It's a Kingston 4GB. I tried fdisk, partitionmanager, mfs.vfat, dd, ....and didnt work
[09:39] <well_laid_lawn> diego21: it has to be unmounted so you can format it
[09:40] <diego21> yes, I know
[09:41] <well_laid_lawn> is it getting automounted ?
[09:42] <diego21> yea
[09:42] <diego21> no, sorry
[09:43] <diego21> it doesnt automount
[09:43] <diego21> the system detects it, but doesnt mount it
[09:44] <well_laid_lawn> if it's unmounted it should be able to be partitioned
[09:45] <well_laid_lawn> I prefer gparted for ease of use - but on the cli I use cfdisk then mkfs.
[09:47] <diego21> well, i think fdisk its like cfdisk
[09:47] <diego21> but dont work
[09:47] <well_laid_lawn> does it give an error?
[09:47] <diego21> error 16
[09:48] <diego21> but the device isnt mounted
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> try using dmesg to see what's going on
[09:49] <diego21> i did
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> open a terminal and remove the pendrive
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> run   dmesg | tail
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> plug in the pendrive and rerun dmesg | tail
[09:50] <diego21> done
[09:51] <diego21> paste the output?
[09:51] <well_laid_lawn> sure
[09:51] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[09:51] <diego21> first one
[09:52] <diego21> [ 8493.574107] sd 12:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[09:52] <diego21> [ 8493.579182] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] 7555528 512-byte logical blocks: (3.86 GB/3.60 GiB)
[09:52] <diego21> [ 8493.582779] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
[09:52] <diego21> [ 8493.582786] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[09:52] <diego21> [ 8493.582790] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[09:52] <FloodBotK2> diego21: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:46] <Chris-Magentium> looking for help with KDE desktop saving files locally from Samba share instead of streaming them
[10:46] <James147> Chris-Magentium: what programs?
[10:47] <Chris-Magentium> James147 - VLC, Mplayer, and all other media players. When streaming from a Media share, Dolphin saves a local copy of the file instead of streaming it to the programs
[10:47] <James147> Chris-Magentium: dolphin just passes a url to the applications... it dosnt handel saving or streaming... have you tried kaffeine or dragon player?
[10:48] <Chris-Magentium> dragon player works but goes mental in Fullscreen. I have not tried Kaffeine yet, is it any good ?
[10:48] <James147> Chris-Magentium: I think so, much more advanced then dragon player
[10:49] <Chris-Magentium> I will install it and try it. I also find that if i use Gnome to Connect to Server, and then play a file from a MOUNTED network drive, it works fine. Is there a way to mount network drives in KDE ?
[10:50] <Chris-Magentium> Correction : I also found that if i used gnome ...
[10:52] <Chris-Magentium> James147 - Thank you so much!! Kaffeine is EXACTLY what i need!! Do you have any info about Mounting network drives in KDE ?
[10:52] <James147> Chris-Magentium: not sure if kde will do it... but you can add an entry to /etc/fstab to automatically do it at boot
[10:53] <James147> Chris-Magentium: also: http://www.jfdesignnet.com/?p=1281 might be of intrest (at elast the edit at the bottom)
[10:54] <Chris-Magentium> James147 - Thank you :) I will look it up. And again thank you for the Streaming recommendation. A question with KAffiene though, it says that it cannot find the input plugin for MRL <url to file>, is this normal ?
[10:54] <spartan137> sorry valorie, i didn't see your question
[10:54] <spartan137> valorie: please ask again..
[10:55] <James147> Chris-Magentium: do you have the codecs installed? (kubuntu-restricted-extras shoould pull everything you need)
[10:55] <Chris-Magentium> James147 -I am fairly sure i do, i can play the files with other players, but i will check
[10:57] <Chris-Magentium> James147 - I did not have the extras installed so i am instaling them now :)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> hey all
[11:47] <Ddpbf> today is Mark Shuttleworth's birthday
[11:51] <macer1> Ddpbf, :)
[11:52] <Ddpbf> i wish him to switch back to kde
[11:52] <Ddpbf> :D
[11:53] <Ddpbf> after all he was first patron of KDE
[12:35] <spartan137> hallo at all
[12:36] <spartan137> i use kubuntu, i saw that there are 4 getty processes..
[12:36] <spartan137> what is the reason of these 4 getty processes and can usefully be blocked the launch?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> spartan137, most  ikely those are normal runlevel startups
[13:03] <spartan137> BluesKaj: but i don't want these getty, and i saw in rc2.local and i don't find who launch these. I don't need these so them mustn't be running. The computer MUST execute what i want it to run.
[13:14] <theAnimal-ZA> hello all
[13:16] <bline> the panel locks up at starbucks until i do the web login. some network activity blocking with no timeout?
[13:17] <spartan137> can someone tell me how stop the autolaunch of the 5 gettu processes?
[13:19] <bline> spartan137: did you check system settings -> Startup and Shutdown?
[13:34] <spartan137> hum
[13:34] <spartan137> bline: in kubuntu?
[13:34] <bline> yeah
[13:34] <bline> fresh install
[13:35] <bline> dunno, u don't have it?
[13:35] <spartan137> bline: yes just seen ... i see only keyboard daemon
[13:35] <bline> all the way at the bottom
[13:35] <spartan137> is this the process that loads the getty?
[13:35] <bline> oh, sorry
[13:35] <bline> misunderstood
[13:36] <bline> u want to get rid of the consoles?
[13:36] <spartan137> i don't want the getty process running
[13:36] <spartan137> so i don't want them autoload
[13:36] <bline> that's the consoles afaik
[13:36] <spartan137> please?
[13:39] <bline> why do you want to disable console?
[13:41] <bline> dunno if there are tools to manage these but the consoles are started from /etc/init/tty[1-6].conf
[13:41] <bline> maybe removing those would not launch the consoles, I've never tried
[13:42] <bline> seems like a crazy thing to want to do
[13:52] <xenon_> Hey everyone
[13:52] <winut> any idea why phonon backend vlc wont work with amarok on kubuntu 11.10? thanks (causes it to crash immediately)
[13:54] <xenon_> Does anyone know how to get the connection manager working properly? My pppoe connections aren't showing
[14:02] <BluesKaj> winut, I just tried the combo you with vlc -phonon-plugin as the backend and amarok crashes here as well after about 2 secs of music. .. Gonna try it with gstreamer , to see what happens there.
[14:03] <winut> thanks, that works ok
[14:03] <winut> but still crashes often
[14:03] <winut> i heard vlc is the superior, i reckon kubuntu should use that instead by default
[14:04] <winut> however, that would require a re write of all the packages in kde-desktop etc !
[14:04] <winut> gstreamer also plays the radio channels at the wrong speed half the time
[14:05] <BluesKaj> winut, it's amarok that at fault here . try vlc to see if your music will play
[14:05] <winut> good idea :-) thanks
[14:05] <winut> ill speak to my dad about it
[14:06]  * BluesKaj has never like amarok much ...always found it clunky and crashy
[14:06] <BluesKaj> liked
[14:07] <winut> well once it has vlc backend, it should finally be stable
[14:07] <winut> it needs something that is compatible with all the formats its trying to play
[14:07] <winut> !
[14:09] <BluesKaj> VLC comes with most format codecs and wrappers already installed
[14:09] <LogicallyDashing> I'm trying to use rekonq for my primary browser, for integration's sake. But I can't log into tvtropes. OK, I can log in, but then when I go to edit anything it tells me I need to get known. What up?
[14:10] <LogicallyDashing> Er... never mind. Caching problem.
[14:24] <davyde> hi people
[14:25] <davyde> can you tell me why i cannot share the directory /mnt/Disk ?
[14:28] <DarthFrog> Have you (a) configured Samba to share it and (b) ensured that the directory has the necessary permissions?
[15:05] <antonio_> cuzao
[15:05] <antonio_> help
[15:09] <kubb> I am using KDE Ubuntu 11.10 and have inadvertently uninstalled gtreamer which uninstalled loads of programs. from the logs I got it back together again  but now when I clickon a  folder on my desktop it opens VLC. Anyone know how to fix this?
[15:14] <markit> hi, I want to do a certain action when the PC starts (send a mail), and do the same when shutdowns. I've found /etc/rc.local the percfect place for the start part, but is there an equivalent for shutdown? Should be fired while all services are still up (i.e. networking)
[15:15] <kubb> OK sorted I went into inode-directory associations and removed vlc
[15:16] <DarthFrog> markit: The scripts in /etc/rc2.d are where you want to look.  Scripts that start with "S" are started upon entry to that runlevel.  Scripts that start with "K" are processed upon leaving that runlevel.  Scripts are processed in numerical order.
[15:17] <kubb> Another issue - Wine programs used to minimise to system tray but now get minimsed to the desktop and wine button in the task manager . Anyone know how to get it back the way it was?
[15:17] <markit> DarthFrog: is this still valid, since now ubuntu uses the "services" stuff
[15:17] <markit> ?
[15:18] <markit> and do I have then to create one myself, not "standard" one like rc.local?
[15:18] <DarthFrog> markit: Hmm, don't know - it's been a long time since I looked at that sruff.
[15:18] <DarthFrog> markit: "K00do_what_I_want"
[15:19] <markit> ok, got it, thanks
[15:19] <DarthFrog> markit: Read the README file in /etc/rc2.d.
[16:33] <leoBava> hello there!!
[16:45] <semitones> what are some alternative music players to amarok that integrate well into kde
[16:46] <semitones> but have a cleaner interface
[16:49] <avihay> semitones: Juk, I guess, also kaffein I kind of dislike juke, kaffein isn't really a dedicated music player either. I dislike amarok more.
[16:50] <deis> im so happy kubuntu exists, i tried out Ubuntu on my desktop and did not like it, but then decided to give Kubuntu exists, i realized most of my dislike was because of Gnome
[16:50] <semitones> avihay: I've heard people mention clementine,, is it a kde app?
[16:50] <semitones> i'm kind of new to kubuntu
[16:52] <DaemonFC> Clementine is a fork of Amarok 1.4, which shipped in KDE 3.x, it uses QT 4 and Gstreamer now
[16:52] <avihay> I don't know, you'd have to check the main site. anyway, I wouldn't worry so much about kde integration
[16:52] <DaemonFC> it works fine with KDE
[16:53] <DaemonFC> though I personally prefer Amarok
[16:53] <semitones> i thought you had to use kde apps, or else th ememory would get full
[16:53] <deis> is there a better app for mouse and keyboard sharing now between linux and windows computers, i used synergy way back in the day
[16:54] <avihay> well, how much memory do you have?
[16:54] <DaemonFC> semitones: Not true, and QT4 is the GUI toolkit of KDE
[16:54] <DaemonFC> the overhead of running GTK+ applications is minimal
[16:54] <DaemonFC> Firefox is one example
[16:54] <semitones> oh ok
[16:55] <DaemonFC> the main advantage to running programs made for KDE is that they fit in better with KDE
[16:55] <semitones> in what way?
[16:55] <avihay> in amarok's case, I think that that sums up in the shortcuts appearing in the system config
[16:56] <DaemonFC> look and feel mostly
[17:06] <BluesKaj> this doesn't apply to 11.04,  but VLC ftw on my pc , it plays everything one can throw at it and no clunky interface like amarok ...amaork isn't working with phonon backends gstreamer and vlc-phonon-plugin on 11.10, so i guess amarok users have to use xine
[17:06] <semitones> this is a weird thing -- in ubuntu, plugging in headphones mutes the speakers, but in kubuntu it does not...
[17:07] <avihay> I expirienced amarok finiding it hard to play a simple playlist, as well as haveing problems dealing with my collection
[17:08] <BluesKaj> semitones, open alsamixer and enable automute , you'll find it with F5 key and right arrow to navigate to it
[17:10] <BluesKaj> I gave up on building proper playlists in amarok ...I just set all the media extns to open with vlc , so I can play music right from the folders
[17:10] <semitones> BluesKaj: what is f5 supposed to do in alsamixer?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> semitones, it shows all the ctrls , including capture and the automute option
[17:11] <semitones> i see captuer but not automute..
[17:11] <semitones> capture
[17:13] <muntiKubu> anyone knows which pakg has the add-apt-repository command?
[17:13] <muntiKubu> pkg*
[17:14] <BluesKaj> semitones, do you show a headphone ctrl ? and make sure you don't have any Ms in the ctrl boxes that you want to use, use the M key to unmute them
[17:15] <semitones> yes i do have a headphone control, as well as mixer, speakers, pci, etc
[17:15] <BluesKaj> in alsamixer?
[17:16] <semitones> yes. do I enable automute with a shortcut of some kind?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> it should work when youn plug the headphones in
[17:16] <semitones> it doesn't though -- it did in ubuntu
[17:18] <BluesKaj> well, I have a different setup now so I haven't dealt with this problem for 2yrs or so...guess something's changed
[17:18] <BluesKaj> anyway I have to go for a while , BBL
[17:36] <semitones> here is the problem with the speakers written out if anyone is able to hellp: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1846130
[17:47] <deis> anyone have any suggestions, I have a USB headset, but it doesn't seem to be listed under the Master Channel
[17:48] <deis> I see it listed when i type lsusb and aplay -l
[17:55] <sildar> Hi
[17:55] <sildar> I've got a problem with new drivers
[17:55] <sildar> Unity is unable to boot, I've got the old version back
[17:56] <sildar> and when I try glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[17:56] <sildar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[17:56] <sildar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[17:56] <sildar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[17:56] <sildar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[17:56] <FloodBotK2> sildar: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:03] <deis> it seems no matter what i select, i get no sound, even from my monitor's crappy speakers
[18:03] <deis> i have my usb headset listed now though
[18:24] <Kingh3mp> Hey guys, I'm having problems with Gnash, and I need to uninstall it.
[18:24] <Kingh3mp> How/where would I find it and uninstall it?
[18:26] <avihay> gnash should be there in the package manager
[18:31] <Kingh3mp> I just found out that Gnash isn't installed. Would  sudo apt-get install gnash be the proper sequence?
[18:33] <BarkingFish> Kingh3mp, yes.
[18:38] <Kingh3mp> I can't remember how to find out how much RAM is in my system.
[18:38] <winut> system monitor?
[18:40] <BarkingFish> Kingh3mp, open konsole, and type top  - hit enter, and 3 lines down at the top of the page, you'll see Mem: XXXXXXXXkb total
[18:41] <BarkingFish> just look at that line and it tells you the total memory in your system
[18:41] <BarkingFish> *4 lines down, sorry
[18:46] <Kingh3mp> Found it. lol
[20:01] <latinlover> hello
[20:02] <latinlover> does any one know how set up the canon MG5220 printer on kubuntu
[20:08] <latinlover> help please
[20:38] <latinlover> hi any one know how install the canon MG5220 printer
[20:52] <szal> latinlover: according to Canon Europe, there is no MG5220
[20:53] <latinlover> how  about PIXMA MG5220
[20:54] <szal> no
[20:54] <latinlover> im in usa
[20:54] <OerHeks> well, yes there is > but i don't know if this will work for kubuntu http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/canon-pixma-mg5220-ubuntu-setup/
[20:55] <latinlover> ill check it out thank you
[20:55] <szal> Canon Europe says there is an MG5250
[20:56] <OerHeks> canon is a non-cooperativ hardwaremaker. some printers will use a lower printerdriver number.
[23:05] <Bundestrojaner> hello
[23:06] <Bundestrojaner> i installed 11.04 on an old laptop, now neither w-lan nor lan is working
[23:06] <Bundestrojaner> networkmanager lists both devices
[23:06] <Bundestrojaner> but it says for lan "not connected" and w-lan doesn't find w-lans


[01:37] <ChinnoDog> @crickets
[01:37] <PennBot> http://www.instantcrickets.com
[01:45] <ChinnoDog> What is wrong with this command? sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512k
[01:46] <ChinnoDog> I ran that against a usb flash stick, it reports 988 records written and that it ran out of space, but I can unplug the dongle and plug it back in and the partitions and file system is perfectly intact.
[01:47] <ChinnoDog> Why isn't the flash completely empty??
[01:49] <JonathanD> maybe it's broken.
[01:50] <ChinnoDog> Its not broken. I've repartitioned it and formatted it and transferred files with it with no problems
[01:51] <JonathanD> then
[01:51] <JonathanD> nm
[01:51] <JonathanD> I had a flash card you could do stuff to, but when it tried to actually do it it would fail
[01:51] <JonathanD> but if you can partition it, probably not that ;)
[01:51] <ChinnoDog> oh crap
[01:51] <ChinnoDog> I just figured it out
[01:52] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: need count=1
[01:52] <ChinnoDog> oh no, it is much worse
[01:52] <jedijf> b is hard drive
[01:52] <jedijf> c is flash
[01:52] <jedijf> that sux
[01:52] <ChinnoDog> I did it on my hosted server in an ssh session by accident
[01:53] <jedijf> sorry, but LOL
[01:53] <ChinnoDog> but, there doesn't seem to be an sdb on my server
[01:53] <jedijf> count =1 will wipe mbr
[01:53] <pleia2> oh wow
[01:54] <ChinnoDog> ok, so what did I do to my server??
[01:54] <jedijf> no bs will wife whole puppy - wherever it is
[01:54] <ChinnoDog> It write 518mb of zeros to sdb...
[01:54] <jedijf> s/wife/wipe
[01:54] <ChinnoDog> s/write/wrote
[01:55] <jedijf> well since your in just mount
[01:55] <jedijf> mount
[01:55] <jedijf> to see what is/was there maybe
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> mount doesn't show anything on /sdb
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> /dev/sdb
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> there is no evidence it is mapped to a drive
[01:55] <jedijf> prolly not so it just failed
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> That is why I don't understand how I can write 518MB of zeros to a nonexistant drive
[01:55] <jedijf> hold on
[01:57] <jedijf> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
[01:57] <jedijf> [sudo] password for pacs:
[01:57] <jedijf> ^C1772575+0 records in
[01:57] <jedijf> 1772575+0 records out
[01:57] <jedijf> 907558400 bytes (908 MB) copied, 10.2397 s, 88.6 MB/s
[01:58] <jedijf> must default to /dev/null
[01:58] <ChinnoDog> Why is /dev/null 518MB?
[01:59] <jedijf> i have no sdb on that command - it would have kept going if i didn't ^c
[02:01] <ChinnoDog> idk.  That is scary
[02:01]  * ChinnoDog hopes he didn't blow anything up
[02:02] <ChinnoDog> I need color coded terminal sessions. lol
[02:03] <ChinnoDog> that is not the first time I ran a command on my server by accident, just the first time I attempted to zero out something on my server by accident.
[02:03] <JonathanD> heh :)
[02:04] <ChinnoDog> ok, I just zeroed out my flash for real this time, and it has much more reasonable statistics.
[02:04] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: how much swap on your server
[02:05] <ChinnoDog> 1.5gb but I am not using any of it atm.
[02:07] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: ok, it seems to write the zeroes to a /dev/sdb file - not a block device
[02:08] <jedijf> pacs@jedijf-netbook:~$ file /dev/sdb
[02:08] <jedijf> /dev/sdb: data
[02:08] <jedijf> pacs@jedijf-netbook:~$ file /dev/sda
[02:08] <jedijf> /dev/sda: block special
[02:10] <ChinnoDog> ah. I see
[02:10] <ChinnoDog> But, why 518MB?
[02:11] <jedijf> i don't know - mine wrote 1 gig
[02:11] <jedijf> then device full
[02:12] <jedijf> ahh
[02:12] <ChinnoDog> ok, I deleted it
[02:12] <jedijf> do a df
[02:12] <jedijf> you'll see /dev spave
[02:12] <jedijf> space
[02:12] <jedijf> that's how much it wrote/writes
[02:12] <ChinnoDog> ah.  One of these days I'm going to do something terrible
[02:19] <ChinnoDog> I guess that is the cost of an education
[02:21] <rmg51> just what the world needs, two jedijfs :P
[02:26] <jedijf> you know what was kinda cool and weird - that /dev/sdb file could be gparted
[02:26] <jedijf> if specified explicitly
[02:28] <ChinnoDog> Now you can make fake hard disks in memory. idk how useful that is.
[02:28] <jedijf> couldn't mount it
[02:28] <jedijf> i tried
[02:29] <ChinnoDog> You probably could if there was a file system in it
[02:33] <jedijf> ok in essence we created a pseudo block device like /dev/null just named sdb
[02:35] <jedijf> nah, not really
[02:35] <jedijf> just a file of zeroes
[02:45] <ChinnoDog> sup MutantTurkey
[02:47] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: hows it going?
[02:50] <ChinnoDog> not well. I am fighting with KVM and Server 08
[03:13] <MutantTurkey> ah
[03:13] <MutantTurkey> i get so distracted making drum beats i lose track of time
[03:13] <MutantTurkey> hence delayed responses
[14:10] <MutantTurkey> o/
[14:10] <Dev_N00B> Hihi!
[14:11] <MutantTurkey> hi hi hi hi hi
[14:12]  * MutantTurkey needs to finish a term paper and another paper by 3 :o
[14:12] <MutantTurkey> i have 5 pages of the paper done, so i'm not to worried. but i need a topic and story for my next paper, then i hae to write a report about the class, which is easy
[14:17] <Dev_N00B> What topic?
[14:23] <MutantTurkey> my tem papre
[14:23] <MutantTurkey> is about the effect of internet on distributing media
[14:23] <MutantTurkey> specifically movies music and news
[14:24] <MutantTurkey> this paper i have no idea :x its not really a paper
[14:24] <MutantTurkey> its like a journalism class so basically i have to find a story and like do something like a newspaper would do, a interview, an obituary whatever
[14:42] <Dev_N00B> Write about ICE siezing domains without a court order OR contacting the site administrators
[14:42] <MutantTurkey> good idea.
[14:42] <Dev_N00B> Or about the rise of alternative DNS root servers :)
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> wikileaks would be easy too
[14:43]  * Dev_N00B puts on his thinking cap
[14:43] <Dev_N00B> Wikileaks is expected.  So obvious :O
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> i love how the government says WikiLeaks is endangering us all. but THERE THE ONES THAT FUCKED UP. ya dig?
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> plus its all a conspiracy
[14:43] <Dev_N00B> yup
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> there is no way such a low ranking officer would have access to all these documents
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> the pinned the guy.
[14:44] <MutantTurkey> it was obviously someone much higher up
[14:44] <Dev_N00B> ayew
[14:44] <Dev_N00B> *aye
[14:44] <MutantTurkey> maybe i'll do an editorial on that
[14:44] <Dev_N00B> And the fact they got it out on USB ...
[14:44] <MutantTurkey> i know.
[14:44] <Dev_N00B> Seriously!?  No one thought to block USB?!
[14:44] <MutantTurkey> lolol no
[14:45] <Dev_N00B> My psych office now has a secure app running that blocks all USB data stroage devices on every PC and uses RSNA-CCMP (WPA2-Personal with AES) on all their wireless thanks to...
[14:45] <Dev_N00B> ME
[14:46] <Dev_N00B> I'm glad I got the Thositba runnig Ubuntu 10.10, but using an ACPI workaround patch is not something I should need to do, ya dig?
[14:48] <MutantTurkey> i dig
[14:48] <MutantTurkey> is 10.10 nice?
[14:48] <MutantTurkey> i haven't tried out ubuntu since like 9.04
[14:58] <Dev_N00B> It is nice :)
[14:59] <MutantTurkey> i'll have to give it a go sometime
[15:00] <MutantTurkey> i haven't been doing much linux stuff lately. I'd like to get back to doing more but i'm busy
[15:05] <Dev_N00B> I want more tech toys, but I have college and other bills...
[15:05] <Dev_N00B> I wouldnt mind an Atom D525 box...
[15:12] <MutantTurkey> yes
[15:12] <MutantTurkey> i have an n330 i love it
[15:12] <MutantTurkey> its my main desktop ._.
[15:12] <MutantTurkey> and my server is a n270
[15:12] <MutantTurkey> the savings alone on power have paid for my server.
[15:13] <MutantTurkey> its completely passive cooling, no hard drive ( i run on an CF card ) its totally low power
[15:16] <Dev_N00B> Nice
[15:17] <Dev_N00B> Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook installed on the 7014G
[15:17] <Dev_N00B> WOOWOO!
[15:17] <MutantTurkey> :)
[15:17] <Dev_N00B> I like the D525 with the ION2.  4GB of RAM and an 80GB SSD would be sweet for the TV (50" Philips)
[15:17] <Dev_N00B> I could stream media over the network
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> ION2 defeats the purpose of the D525 design
[15:18] <Dev_N00B> or the neighbors wireless.  NICE iTunes collection SHARED..
[15:18] <Dev_N00B> Why is that?
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> because they've consolidated everything onto the single chip, including graphics
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> the D525 is almost the same processor as the n330 otherwise
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> performance wise you might as well get an over-clockable n330 with the ION
[15:19] <Dev_N00B> ahhh
[15:19] <Dev_N00B> okies
[15:19] <MutantTurkey> i'd double check what i said, but i'm busy. i'm pretty sure thats accurate statement though
[15:21] <Dev_N00B> I was thinking D525 and Mythbuntu :)
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> i would still get the 525 or d510 or whatever.
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> Mini-box is the best place to get motherboards and psu's
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> GREAT selection compared to newegg
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> http://www.mini-box.com/site/index.html
[15:25] <PennBot> Title: Mini-Box.com: mini-ITX, nano-ITX, pico-ITX, mobile-ITX solutions (at www.mini-box.com)
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> i haven't used them yet. because i didn't know until about them recently
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D525MWV-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
[15:26] <PennBot> Title: Intel D525MWV Mini-ITX Motherboard (at www.mini-box.com)
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> no good for HD though. its just a vga out. thats where the ion comes in
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> http://www.mini-box.com/ASUS-AT5IONT-I-Atom-D525-ION that would be what you want
[15:27] <PennBot> Title: ASUS AT5IONT-I Atom D525 ION (at www.mini-box.com)
[15:31] <Dev_N00B> Looks nice :)  BRB
[15:37] <Dev_N00B> back
[15:38] <MutantTurkey> definitly go for that, because i was thinking about getting it too :p
[15:38] <MutantTurkey> i wish they packaged the PSU's with it. but those psu's look really boss anyway. they are tiny
[15:38] <MutantTurkey> rmg51: o/
[15:41] <Dev_N00B> http://tv.gawker.com/5702578/russian-vogue-features-a-video-advertisement
[15:41] <PennBot> Title: December Issue of Russian Vogue Features an Actual Video Advertisement (at tv.gawker.com)
[15:41] <Dev_N00B> HOT.  I'd hack it :O
[15:43] <Dev_N00B> MutantTurkey, who would pay $69 for a 4GB SATA drive?!
[15:43] <Dev_N00B> I'd sooner grab 2 32's and RAID them
[15:44] <MutantTurkey> Dev_N00B: its because custom probably
[15:44] <MutantTurkey> i've never seen anything like it
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> it plugs right into the sata port and is ssd based\
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> plus its low powered (but i don't know relative to other ssds)
[15:48] <Dev_N00B> and 4GB is tiny...
[15:48] <Dev_N00B> 16GB would be better
[15:50] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[15:50] <MutantTurkey> well dude, what are you using it for?
[15:51] <MutantTurkey> i mean the thing is that if your trying to run an embedded-like system. you don't need alot of storage. if you do, then just use a regular hard drive. :p
[16:06] <Dev_N00B> XMBC or Mythbuntu with wireless access to a shared media library on a 50" Philips 1080p tv
[16:14] <MutantTurkey> XMBC is awesome apparently
[16:14] <MutantTurkey> xbmc i mean
[16:14] <Dev_N00B> lol
[16:54] <Dev_N00B> Beef Jerky, Baked Potatoes with Bacon, Sour Cream, and Cheese, and a glass of Lemonade.
[16:54] <Dev_N00B> LUNCH OF THE GODS!
[16:55]  * Dev_N00B yells, "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
[16:55] <Dev_N00B> The Old Gods, mind you
[16:57] <Dev_N00B> So... Drexel for Computers and Security?
[17:04] <MutantTurkey> drexel?
[17:04] <MutantTurkey> my old teacher went there.
[17:13] <Dev_N00B> Tempted to go there.  GF went to Drexel
[17:30] <MutantTurkey> montco ._.
[20:05] <ChinnoDog> dilbert++
[20:06] <ChinnoDog> http://http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-12-01
[20:06] <ChinnoDog> oops
[20:06] <ChinnoDog> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-12-01
[20:06] <PennBot> Title: Dilbert comic strip for 12/01/2010 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. (at dilbert.com)


[12:49] <sten_> hello?
[12:49] <sten_> read error?
[12:57] <sten> well, I just ran wireshark against my local interface, and it looks like SMTP TLS is working :-)
[12:57] <Roge> whats wireshark
[12:59] <sten> ethereal was re-named to wireshark -- I just learnt this 5min ago.  I've been working on setting up Dovecot SASL authenticated SMTP, which doesn't relay mail for anyone except for authenticated users.  (and it's all encrypted)
[12:59] <sten> seven years ago it was so, so much harder to set such a system up!
[12:59] <sten> sniffing the wire was necessary to ensure that everything was in fact encrypted
[01:00] <nealmcb> sten: yeah - I went thru the pain years ago also.  what is involved now?
[01:01] <nealmcb> just works by default that way?  is that what you said earlier?
[01:02] <sten> nealmcb: mm.  I was surprised that mail-relay was enabled for Dovecot SASL authenticated users
[01:02] <sten> (Dovecot has its own SASL interface which replaces Cyrus'...Thank god.  It's much easier/simpler/faster to set up)
[01:09] <sten_> I'm of course planning to change the snakeoil certs
[01:09] <sten_> but yeah...it's a lot easier to set up Postfix + Dovecot for SASL and TLS/SSL than it used to be
[01:12] <sten_> nealmcb: here are some of the sites I used as references
[01:12] <sten_> /etc/ssl/private/DigitalMercury.key
[01:12] <sten_> oops
[01:12] <sten_> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
[01:13] <sten_> http://adomas.org/2006/08/postfix-dovecot/
[01:13] <sten_> http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html
[01:13] <sten_> http://www.aet.tu-cottbus.de/personen/jaenicke/pfixtls/
[01:13] <sten_> (that was one of the few times Xorg's clipboard--the middle click--failed me)
[01:14] <sten_> hmm, that last link is superfluous
[01:17] <sten_> there's only one catch:  The version of Dovecot (possibly Postfix too...I don't remember) shipped with Dapper doesn't support exporting a SASL interface to Postfix
[01:20] <sten_> Now I remember why "everything just worked"....I modified my main.cf a year ago, before learning that the version of Dovecot I was using was too old.  Having recently upgraded to Fiesty, I thought that I'd give it a try again.
[09:13] <tc> hi, after installing gutsy i lost a network
[09:13] <tc> how could i proceed to make it work again?
[07:40] <elliotjhug> hi all, how do I get apache to forward requests for www.foo.com to /var/foo as opposed to forwarding everything to /var/www?
[07:48] <wasabi> You alter the configuration file.
[07:49] <elliotjhug> wasabi: yeah.... I worked out that much. I was kinda after a pointer on where to alter said configuration file
[07:55] <elliotjhug> alternitievely anybody's sample vhost.conf file would be useful?
[08:01] <soren> elliotjhug: Yo uset the DocumentRoot to /var/foo
[08:02] <elliotjhug> soren: thanks
[08:04] <elliotjhug> soren: Thing is I want domainA to go to /var/domainA and domanB to go to /var/domainB
[08:04] <soren> elliotjhug: Then you create two virtualhosts.
[08:04] <soren> One with documentroot /var/domaina and the other /var/domainb.
[08:05] <elliotjhug> soren: Thats what I thought, doesn't appear to be working
[08:05] <soren> elliotjhug: What've you done?
[08:06] <elliotjhug> soren: I followed http://www.linux.com/feature/118471 but all it does it keeps forwarding to the same place
[08:07] <soren> elliotjhug: Well, you've left something out.
[08:07] <soren> elliotjhug: In /etc/apache2/sites-available you should create two files..
[08:07] <soren> one for each domain.
[08:07] <elliotjhug> soren: OK, I'll have a go with that then
[08:07] <elliotjhug> soren: thanks
[08:08] <soren> Make sure you've got the proper symlinks in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled.
[08:08] <elliotjhug> are there any good guides for this kind of thing you know of or what?
[08:09] <soren> There's something at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/httpd.html but there's possibly something better out there. I don't really know, actually.
[08:11] <ScottK> soren: Would you have a look at Bug 150276?  Looks like one we ought to get uploaded to me....
[08:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150276 in ivtv "UVFe: [Sync Request]  ivtv 1.0.2-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150276
[08:15] <soren> ScottK: will do.
[08:17] <soren> ScottK: Acked and subscribed u-a.
[08:17] <ScottK> Great.
[08:17] <soren> ScottK: Thanks for pinging me about these things. I'm waay behind on bugmail.
[08:18] <ScottK> No problem.
[08:22] <elliotjhug> soren: sorry to interrupt, I tried that thing you sent me, and used the httpd guide. Still goes straight to the site I don't want it to..
[08:28] <soren> elliotjhug: And you still haven't told me what you've done.
[08:29] <elliotjhug> soren: Ok, What I've done is created the sites-available directory, and files. Based on what the apache guide and tutorials say. Then I used a2ensite to enable my two sites. Then I restarted apache, and asked someone outside my network to check both. They both forward to the same site
[08:30] <soren> elliotjhug: Put those two files on pastebin, please.
[08:30] <soren> !pastebin
[08:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:32] <elliotjhug> soren: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39904/
[08:33] <elliotjhug> soren: Sorry, I'll have to go. Thanks for your time anyway
[08:33] <soren> gah..
[08:34] <soren> Dear user. Please to be stoppink askink questions you not be havink time to wait for answers to. kthxbye.


[04:32] <blahdeblah> Hi folks, I'm running "charm proof" against a charm I've been writing trying to learn it, and it's complaining "I: all charms should provide at least one thing"
[04:32] <blahdeblah> Why is this so?  If the charm is basically just a single client-facing service does it really need any relations?
[04:43] <lazyWeekend> blahdeblah: you can ignore I: prefixed warnings
[04:44] <lazyWeekend> blahdeblah: the only warnings you *need* to fix are Warns and Errors. Info is just FYI - and no, its completely acceptable for a charm to be 100% stand alone.
[04:44] <blahdeblah> lazyWeekend: OK - thanks
[06:47] <bradm> I'm running some charm tests and its failing, but I can't reproduce it outside of the tests - how do I tell it to not tear down the env after running the tests?
[06:51] <bradm> oh, cleanup=False, fine.
[14:37] <jcastro> jose, ping
[17:34] <lazyPower> marcoceppi, mbruzek, Tribaal, dpb1, niedbalski -   I'm in the hot seat for a demo fix - can i get a quick review on https://code.launchpad.net/~lazypower/charms/trusty/hdp-hadoop/amir_hpcloud/+merge/240483?
[17:35] <dpb1> lazyPower: why all the unrelated changes in there?  'start_NM' -> 'start_nm', etc?
[17:35] <dpb1> 'start_datanode' -> 'start_dn' ??
[17:36] <lazyPower> dpb1: This was a fix by asanjar that lives in his personal namespace - i think he's normalizing his method signatures as combining camel case with underscores was "obnoxious" as put by 3rd party reviewers.
[17:36] <lazyPower> i pulled this in and verified it works on hpcloud, testing amazon now
[17:43] <dpb1> lazyPower: well... in the case of datanode, it's actually decreasing readability... and in any case, for an emergency fix seems like those should be stripped out?
[17:43] <lazyPower> dpb1: ack, i'll cherrypick changes and give this another go
[17:44] <lazyPower> thanks for taking a look dpb1
[17:44] <dpb1> lazyPower: yes, if you get a reduced version, I'll peek again
[17:58] <lazyPower> dpb1: https://code.launchpad.net/~lazypower/charms/trusty/hdp-hadoop/asanjar_hpcloud_cleanup/+merge/240487
[18:01] <lazyPower> dpb1: looks like my editor had fun reformatting :( cant win for losing today
[18:01] <dpb1> yowzer
[18:02] <dpb1> :)
[18:02] <sarnold> removing trailing spaces is almost always a good thing :)
[18:02] <sarnold> .. never letting them sneak in is the better thing, of course
[18:03] <lazyPower> ATOM's python language lint/bindings is pretty stellar I have to admit.
[18:03] <lazyPower> and its consistent
[18:05] <ayr-ton> http://askubuntu.com/questions/540209/ip-domainname-of-juju-master-or-slaves-changes ;x
[18:15] <aisrael> lazyPower: +1 to that.
[18:16] <lazyPower> aisrael: review or ATOM comment?
[18:17] <aisrael> lazyPower: ATOM, sorry.
[18:17] <lazyPower> all good - just beating the drum :)
[19:30] <jrwren> can anyone point me to docs for how to use the storage charm with mongodb charm?
[19:47] <tvansteenburgh> jrwren: i just happened to glance at https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/charms/trusty/mongodb/trunk/+merge/240376 and noticed there are merge markers in the diff
[19:48] <jrwren> tvansteenburgh: no idea where that came from. I didn't commit that code.
[19:48] <jrwren> or I did, and I didn't mean to. Its been 5yrs since I used bzr much.
[19:49] <lazyPower> jrwren: i'd charm get cs:trusty/mongodb - reapply your patches to it, and resubmit.  somewhere along the lines a dirty merge happened on your local branch.
[19:51] <jrwren> is this some known launchpad thing?
[19:52] <jrwren> fwiw, I just confirmed that some of that code is not in my branch or the charm in charmstore.
[19:58] <jrwren> can anyone suggest how I may use bzr correctly so taht this doesn't happen again?
[20:03] <jrwren> does bzr have equivalent of git push -f ?
[20:07] <jrwren> on github, I'd simply git push -f and the PR would be updated. How do I do this with LP and this MR?
[20:08] <mgz> jrwren: you just push... there's no need for --force, lp updates
[20:09] <mgz> jrwren: you probably just need to merge trunk into your branch and resolve the conflicts
[20:10] <jrwren> i don't want to merge. I want to push force.
[20:10] <jrwren> the whole point is that I have my tree exactly how I want, and I own the remote true. How do I get the remote to be exactly what I have local?
[20:11] <jrwren> or is there a magic merge option that says "ignore all remote" ?
[20:11] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, I don't think you can do that
[20:12] <mgz> there's nothing wrong with your branch
[20:12] <rick_h_> jrwren: bzr is safe safe safe
[20:12] <mgz> launchpad is just telling you your branhc conflicts with later changes on trunk
[20:12] <mgz> in order to land your branch, you need to resolve them
[20:15] <mgz> jrwren: to be clear - your branhc does not have merge markers in it. it's just diverged from trunk of what you're merging into.
[20:16] <jrwren> mgz: I don't know what that means. Pretend I've never used bzr and I only know git words, because that is how fried my brain is right now ;)
[20:17] <jrwren> i'm just going to push to a new branch.
[20:18] <tvansteenburgh> jrwren: in your local charm dir do `bzr merge https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/trusty/mongodb/trunk`, resolve any conflicts, then commit and push back to https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/charms/trusty/mongodb/trunk
[20:18] <jrwren> that "resolve any conflicts" step is too much friction for me.
[20:18] <tvansteenburgh> gah, thhose links were supposed to be lp: links
[20:18] <mgz> what you said still works though :)
[20:20] <jrwren> i did figure out how to update the MR with the new branch.  YAY!
[20:21] <jrwren> https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/charms/trusty/mongodb/i-do-not-know-how-to-use-bzr-so-i-pushed-here/+merge/240499   oh, it doesn't really update it.  new url and everything.
[20:27] <jose> jcastro: pong
[20:27] <lazyPower> jrwren: heh, nice branch name
[20:28] <lazyPower> jrwren: much cleaner, thanks for the cleanup
[20:28] <jcastro> jose, heya, is there a reason you didn't push owncloud to trusty? Was just wondering
[20:29] <jose> jcastro: yeah, as I said some tests were giving a weird error and I need to take a look. and the apache2 file structure has changed
[20:29] <jose> jcastro: minor changes and I'll open a bug. will deal with them tonight as I have classes in 30m
[20:29]  * jcastro nods
[20:29] <jcastro> I was just wondering, not implying that you needed to fix it!
[20:29] <jose> I'm fully back to charming, sorry if I've been absent but exams + flu
[20:29] <jose> hey, it needs to be on trusty asap!
[20:30] <jcastro> I think it's a point release behind too?
[20:30] <jose> not actually, you can specify and install any release.
[20:30] <jcastro> oh ok, woo!
[20:30] <jose> need to check the default again to make sure it's updated to the latest rev
[20:30] <jose> but expect something today
[21:10]  * skay waves to roadmr
[21:10] <roadmr> skay: hows the jujuing going?
[21:11] <skay> roadmr: am trying to figure out why the charm I am working on is using a fork of python-django instead of python-django
[21:11] <skay> roadmr: and so on. okay I guess
[21:11] <roadmr> skay: oh! yes, I remember it using a fork...
[21:12] <skay> roadmr: I haven't looked through everything yet, but perhaps when someone made the fork python-django didn't support installing tarballs? maybe?
[21:13] <skay> roadmr: if I get good at this I think I'll reuse my knowledge to make a juju charm for pyvideo.org
[21:13] <roadmr> that'd kick ass :)
[21:14] <skay> roadmr: I have run through fabric on it, experimented with ansible, ... and might as well see how this goes
[21:15] <skay> looks like the python-django maintainers are experimenting with supporting ansible and fabric (perhaps other things)
[21:36] <lazyPower> skay: the python-django charm maintainer is actually in progress of moving it to a python only charm using charmhelpers
[21:37] <skay> lazyPower: yes, I think I saw that. and the fork my project is using is from before that.
[21:37] <lazyPower> skay: as it stands today they are still deploying the ansible charm as thats whats in teh store - but the pure python branch should be landing soon
[21:38] <lazyPower> last time i looked at it was a little over 3 weeks ago - but its in the queue
[21:54] <themonk> lazyPower, hi
[21:54] <lazyPower> o/ themonk
[21:54] <themonk> I am facing a problem
[21:54] <themonk> i deployed my charm in amazon
[21:55] <themonk> but in charm when i get unit puclic address it gives me aws instamce private address
[21:56] <lazyPower> themonk: you're looking for the IP Address of the unit correct?
[21:57] <themonk> yes and i use this "unit-get public-address"
[21:58] <lazyPower> themonk: there's a few ways you can work around this behavior - there have been bugs filed against this in the past, but this is apparently expected behavior from juju - favor the FQDN of the unit vs the ip address.  one method is to dig +short the hostname but this fails gloriously in some environments.
[21:58] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: do you recall the helper we came up with to resolve EC2 ips?
[21:59] <lazyPower> themonk: wait, i think i just glossed over something. you got the private address back from unit-get public-address?
[21:59] <ezobn> Hi All. Do any methods exist to retry juju upgrade-juju to the environment, in case of some nodes have not upgraded their juju agents. So I have now some agents previous version
[22:00] <lazyPower> themonk: have a look at this paste - try running a similar juju-run command for me and pastebin the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8808757/
[22:00] <themonk> lazyPower, bacicaly 'unit-get public-address' and 'unit-get private-address' gives same ip
[22:05] <ezobn> May be I can manually try to upgrade somehow those agents ? If any methods exist  ...
[22:07] <themonk> lazyPower, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8808837/
[22:07] <lazyPower> themonk: what juju version?
[22:08] <themonk> lazyPower, 1.20.11-trusty-amd64
[22:11] <lazyPower> interesting, i'm running the same juju version and I get FQDN not IP's
[22:11] <lazyPower> interesting
[22:11] <lazyPower> themonk: i'm not sure what to say to that... what AZ are you in?
[22:12] <themonk> lazyPower, US East (N. Virginia)
[22:13] <lazyPower> themonk: do you have a floating ip attached to the instance? an EIP?
[22:15] <themonk> lazyPower, what is floating ip? where do i look in ec2 dashboard?
[22:15] <lazyPower> themonk: ElasticIP's are typically attached to a unit in the EC2 dashboard under "elastic ip" - you'll see the IP and an instance ID next to it if it's assigned.
[22:15] <lazyPower> thats teh last thought I had is if you attached an EIP and it was somehow overriding the networking on the machine to point @ that EIP
[22:16] <lazyPower> ezobn: hey there sorry about the delay, the only thing i've found is upgrade-juju - which upgrades the tools in the env.  The units themselves should upgrade (i think) at some point during the agents lifecycle checkins.
[22:16] <lazyPower> working on getting a definitive answer for you
[22:17] <themonk> lazyPower, no i do not have EIP, its showing blank
[22:18] <lazyPower> themonk: i haven't seen that behavior out of amazon before, it seems really strange to me that a) its returning the IP, and b) its the same IP on both pub and private addressing.
[22:18] <lazyPower> *out of juju on amazon
[22:18] <lazyPower> themonk: i would recommend a ping to the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or a question on ask ubuntu tagged juju - and crowd source a possible answer.
[22:20] <ezobn> lazyPower: Hi, not a problem. Thanks for the answer. But they are in this state already more then a day ... so I think something wrong happened ...
[22:21] <themonk> lazyPower, if juju is written in python, may be i can look into the source now :)
[22:21] <lazyPower> themonk: old juju was, after 1.14 it was ported to go
[22:22] <themonk> lazyPower, yes
[22:22] <lazyPower>  if you juju upgrade-juju --version 1.20.11, does that have any effect over the straggler agents?
[22:22] <lazyPower> ezobn: ^
[22:26] <lazyPower> ezobn: and feel free to substitute --version with the point release you were trying to build and upgrade your environment to
[22:31] <themonk> lazyPower, what do you think is this a bug?
[22:32] <lazyPower> themonk: seems like it might be, or a corner case. Do all you runits deployed in AWS exhibit the same behavior?
[22:32] <ezobn> lazyPower: no - says "no upgrade available"
[22:33] <ezobn> lazyPower: even when --version
[22:34] <lazyPower> ezobn: thats unfortunate - can you file a bug against juju-core for the units not upgrading? Be as detailed as you acn and it would probably help during triage to attach logs during the timeframe that you sent the upgrade command and ~ 20 minutes afterwords.
[22:34] <lazyPower> themonk: I'm going to recommend you do the same, along with debug output of the juju-run commands i had you run earlier, instance constraints, and anything pertinent about your environment.
[22:35] <themonk> lazyPower, yes its same for all instances
[22:36] <lazyPower> themonk: Most definately a bug then. I'd file a bug https://launchpad.net/juju-core/+bugs
[22:37] <themonk> lazyPower, will I file a bug or you?
[22:38] <lazyPower> themonk: i dont have insight into your network - id' prefer you create it so you can track it and populate it with all the right info for your environment
[22:38] <themonk> lazyPower, ok thanks :)
[22:39] <lazyPower> themonk: ezobn: sorry you two ran into trouble, let me know if there's anything else i can potentially help with
[22:40] <themonk> lazyPower, do you know anyone using juju with aws in production?
[22:42] <lazyPower> themonk: our very own marcoceppi does, and i believe that omg ubuntu! is run on aws with juju as well - or was at one time. I'd need to follow up on that one
[22:49] <ezobn> lazyPower: NP, will reinstall everything ;-) Thanks for make me sure that no yet any means to force the update.
[23:32] <themonk> lazyPower, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1389014
[23:32] <mup> Bug #1389014: juju AWS EC2 "unit-get public-address" gives private address  <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389014>
[23:33] <themonk> lazyPower, take a look
[23:33] <lazyPower> themonk: thanks, i'll ping in the dev channel with this and someone should update the bug soon
[23:42] <lazyPower> themonk: anotehr thought - was your EC2 instance perhaps provisioned in a VPC?
[23:44] <themonk> lazyPower, what is 'provisioned in a VPC' ?
[23:45] <lazyPower> themonk: VPC networks are virtual private clusters - subnetted units out of the AWS public cloud space to add another layer of isolation on your services running on top of EC2
[23:45] <themonk> lazyPower, all i do is give juju my access secret and using it
[23:45] <lazyPower> ack.
[23:46] <themonk> lazyPower, i dont think so
[23:46] <themonk> lazyPower, i mean no VPC
[23:46] <lazyPower> Ok, Just another possible reason it might be doing that
[23:46] <lazyPower> themonk: what i'm getting back from core - executing this on the unit is basically how juju determines the unit ip
[23:46] <lazyPower> curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/public-ipv4
[23:47] <lazyPower> it polls the AWS metadata url to return the public address, AWS meta is responsible for all of the assignment
[23:47] <davecheney> themonk: can you run curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/public-ipv4
[23:47] <davecheney> on that machien that thinks it's private IP is it's public
[23:52] <themonk> davecheney, i run it but getting a xml with 404
[23:52] <themonk> davecheney, <title>404 - Not Found</title>
[23:53] <davecheney> hmm
[23:53] <davecheney> let me check again
[23:53] <davecheney> i was reading that from the aws domcunebt
[23:53] <davecheney> documentation
[23:58] <lazyPower> curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/meta-data/
[23:59] <lazyPower> davecheney: ^ i think thats what we were looking for right? http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-instance-metadata.html


[02:00] <mdeslaur> asac: is there any way to make modem-manager ignore an analog dial-up modem at /dev/ttyACM0?
[14:05] <asac> mdeslaur: does it hurt? ... anyway, you need udev rules for that i guess
[14:12] <mdeslaur> asac: well, it's probing the modem, getting a failure, and then never closes the device, so I can't use the modem with other applications
[14:13] <mdeslaur> asac: Is that a bug? ie: is it supposed to close the device if it fails when trying to probe it?
[14:13] <asac> mdeslaur: yes. thats a bug
[14:14] <asac> mdeslaur: plesae check latest from here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk
[14:14] <asac> thats about 0.8 final (well rc1)
[14:14] <mdeslaur> asac: ah! thanks, I'll try now
[14:37] <mdeslaur> asac: darn, the bug is still present? where is the best place to open a bug?
[14:38] <mdeslaur> asac: here? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/modemmanager/+filebug
[14:39] <mdeslaur> or is there a modemmanager upstream on freedesktop somewhere?
[14:43] <asac> mdeslaur: use the launchpad modemmanager one
[14:43] <asac> and gimme bug id
[14:43] <mdeslaur> ok, thanks asac
[14:46] <asac> mdeslaur: get the logs as here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingModemmanager
[14:56] <mdeslaur> asac: bug #496206
[14:56] <mdeslaur> asac: I had already pulled out some logs. If there's anything missing, please let me know


[10:17] <rbasak> infinity: opinion on bug 1528583 please?
[10:18] <infinity> rbasak: My opinion without reading it is that we should probably do it for support longevitiy reasons, but I should read the bug first. :P
[10:47] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Could I get an ack on an FFe please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-welcome/+bug/1556869
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> infinity, It is only seeded in Ubuntu MATE. Is specific to Ubuntu MATE. Has 3 developers. And we need this so we then translator are finished it can be multi-lingual.
[10:48] <infinity> flexiondotorg: 1.2MB diff?  Impressive.
[10:49]  * infinity groans at ./edgar-allan po
[10:51] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, we just went with it ;-)
[10:52] <infinity> flexiondotorg: It's entirely unreviewable, but seems fine in spirit.  And you have plenty of motivation to fix it if/when it explodes in your face, so go for it.
[10:53] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Can I quote you in the comment of that bug :-)
[10:53] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Yep.
[10:53] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks. And it is well tested and we absolutely are motivated to fix it.
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Where are you today?
[11:04] <rbasak> infinity: did you manage to look at bug 1528583 please?
[11:15] <infinity> rbasak: Okay, caught up on the bug.  LGTM, but please see the transition and migration through to completion ASAP.
[11:15] <rbasak> infinity: ack. Thanks!
[11:15] <infinity> rbasak: And I hope that this work with Lars is ending up back in Debian too.  I don't want to see us forking.
[11:16] <rbasak> infinity: yes, it is. I'm DM for mysql in Debian now. Though this would be a new source package.
[11:16] <infinity> rbasak: Sure, I just meant packaging changes in general shouldn't be forked if we can help it.  Carry on.
[17:06] <coreycb> hello, can an archive admin please promote python3-osprofiler to main?  python-osprofiler is already in main.  this will help get some openstack packages out of dependency waits.
[17:06] <coreycb> infinity, ^
[17:06] <infinity> coreycb: On it.
[17:07] <infinity> coreycb: And done.
[17:07] <coreycb> infinity, thanks!
[17:14] <andyrock> hey I would like to propose a FFe
[17:14] <andyrock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/676457
[17:14] <andyrock> tell me if you need something more
[18:30] <ogra_> infinity, eeek ... why multivers and not restricte for rpi ?
[18:30] <ogra_> *restricted
[18:31] <infinity> ogra_: Because the kernel is in universe.
[18:31] <ogra_> :(
[18:31] <infinity> ogra_: If the kernel moves, happy to move the firmware with it.
[18:31] <ogra_> yeah, given thats our reference arch for snappy armhf it should really move to main
[18:32] <infinity> Guessing some people don't want to get bitten by the omap4 reference arch thing where we committed to supporting a dead platform for 5 years. :P
[18:32] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[18:33] <infinity> (Almost done!)
[18:33] <ogra_> * ppisati hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: leaving)
[18:33] <ogra_> LOL !
[18:33] <ogra_> we scared him away
[18:33] <knome> infinity, what's yourr estimation on the possibility to see the xubuntu base stuff for beta 2?
[18:34] <infinity> ogra_: The thing with universe is that we can still hold the kernel team to the same standard, Canonical can still claim and sell support, but we make no promises to the community.  So, if we only claim it's supported for, say, a year, we can give up after that.
[18:34] <ogra_> funnily there are still people coming to #pandaboard ... even 4 years after it went out of prod.
[18:34] <infinity> ogra_: Given that argument, I'd say universe is where BSP kernels belong.
[18:34] <ogra_> yeah
[18:35] <infinity> knome: Good.
[18:35] <ogra_> i remember doing that for the ac100 video drivers back in the days
[18:35] <knome> infinity, great to hear; be in touch if anything comes up
[18:35] <ogra_> and with snappy it doesnt really matter much where the deb comes from ... as long as it lands in the snap store in the end
[18:36] <infinity> ogra_: It matters where it comes from if you want provenance for the source. :P
[18:36] <infinity> ogra_: But, yes, the component it comes from doesn't matter.
[18:36] <ogra_> not even the deb as long as your snap description points to the git tree
[18:36] <infinity> ogra_: Pointing to a git tree is a very sketchy way to "provide" source unless you control it.
[18:37] <ogra_> in the snappy world debs are just interim steps after all
[18:37] <infinity> (So, fine for Canonical trees that we promise not to break, abysmal for anything else)
[18:37] <ogra_> yeah, indeed ... i meant kernel.ubuntu.com ... not some random github source :)
[18:37] <infinity> kernel.ubuntu.com isn't the source for those kernels, though.
[18:37] <infinity> Err.
[18:38] <infinity> It is.
[18:38] <ogra_> heh
[18:38] <infinity> Somehow, I read kernel.org
[18:38] <infinity> Even while typing ubuntu.com
[18:38] <infinity> I'm not having the best day.   A bit of a mixed bad.
[18:38] <infinity> s/bad/bag/
[18:38] <apw> they really should be made into .debs so they get some review before we ship them, as snap seems to designed to avoid that
[18:39] <infinity> It took me 7 tries to type my GPG passphrase earlier.
[18:39] <ogra_> oh my
[18:39] <ogra_> apw, sure, but the user doesnt care ... and snappy doesnt either ...
[18:39] <ogra_> (we do, but thats a process thing)
[18:39] <infinity> Indeed, but it's a handy way to QA, at least for now.
[18:39] <ogra_> yeah
[18:40] <infinity> Down the road, I assume we'll have sane automated QA for kernel snaps generated directly from source.
[18:40] <infinity> We don't today.
[18:40] <ogra_> and its indeed helful for flavours
[18:40] <ogra_> *helpful
[18:40] <ogra_> but after all tteh deb is just a by-product ...
[18:40] <infinity> There's also, in this case, the promise that we're providing deb-based images too. :P
[18:40] <infinity> So, then obviously doing the kernel once is smarter than twice.  So, build a deb, slam the binaries in a snap, everyone wins.
[18:41] <ogra_> yeah, just talking from a snappy view here
[18:41] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah.  But please be careful about selling the "snappy is the future, the distro is dead" thing, cause that (wrong) message has travelled pretty far, and we're trying to undo it.
[18:41] <ogra_> it is definitely more convenient because we have pocesses around debs in place today ... but its not actually required from a tech POV
[18:41] <infinity> ogra_: Mark seemed shocked at the last sprint to find out that journalists and users think we're going that way.
[18:42] <infinity> So, for at least raspi2 and dragonboard, where we're also providing a deb-based ubuntu-server, the question is moot.  The deb isn't a "by-product", it's a real product and, indeed, the snap ends up a handy repackaging of the same binary.
[18:42] <knome> infinity, maybe it would help if there was clear communication about the situation
[18:42]  * ogra_ never said it is an exclusive way
[18:42] <infinity> For OEM devices, doing a deb is probably pointless, and they can snap directly.
[18:43] <knome> infinity, with flavors and all relevant teams too, not only with end-users
[18:43] <infinity> knome: Yeah, the messaging was a mess a year ago or so, and I think there needs to be some cleanup to fix that.  I'll see if I can get the right people involved to undo some of that.
[18:44] <knome> mhm, nice to hear that too :)
[18:44] <infinity> knome: If it's any consolation, Mark's been adamant (to the point of nearly shouting at people) that the classic apt/deb distro is not going away, neither now, nor in the future.  It's here to stay until no one wants distros anymore or Ubuntu dies a horrible death for unrelated reasons.
[18:44] <ogra_> i dont get where journalists would have gotten that ... it was made pretty clear in all the UOS talks, keynotes etc
[18:45] <apw> i get that impression when listeing to discussions about snaps mostly, and i know better
[18:45] <infinity> knome: The one caveat to that is that we might stop packaging a select few bits and require flavours to ship the snappy binary package to do snappy-on-desktop if they want to get those apps from us.  But we're still sorting out how all that might work (and, of course, you'd be free to get together and maintain those apps as debs if you prefer that option, no one would stop you).
[18:45] <knome> infinity, yeah, i'm not worried about the situation itself, it's just that sometimes the message does get out the wrong way (as we know) and if these things aren't communicated to flavor teams and other teams linked to ubuntu, it also means that those teams do not have any more confidence in X than the end-user
[18:46] <infinity> ogra_: Messaging around desktop-next hurt a lot.  People really thought we were dropping apt/deb entirely.  And even now, people refer to it as "snappy" and "classic Ubuntu" (and I've even heard "legacy Ubuntu").  Classic and legacy are not adjectives that make people think we want to keep the product around.
[18:46] <ogra_> true
[18:50] <infinity> Realistically, common sense says that we have millions of server/cloud users and tens of thousands of desktop users who would rise up with pitchforks and do Very Bad Things to us if we actually stopped producing the apt/deb distro, but that doesn't stop the FUD from spreading.
[18:50] <ogra_> well ... and its a fact that the phone (and thus the convergence desktop) will at some point be snappy based
[18:51] <ogra_> this might or might not extend to the normal desktop too, who knows ... but i dont think anyone of us ever claimed thats a done deal (or that debs wouldnt be supported in that case, they are today in snappy)
[18:52] <ogra_> the actual prob are journalist assumptions around this ... and a very blurry definition of what snappy actually is ... even internally
[18:54] <ogra_> infinity, btw ... your battling aginst the "classic" term might be a bit moot ... to enable deb support in todays snappy you literally have to run "snappy enable-classic"
[18:54] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah, I know.
[18:54] <ogra_> and thats a mark naming
[18:54] <infinity> ogra_: Not only am I aware of that, but I also saw it wipe out utlemming's laptop live and in person!
[18:54] <ogra_> lol
[18:54] <infinity> Yeah, not so lol for him.
[18:54] <ogra_> i'm not talking about the "snappy on classic deskktop" thing
[18:55] <infinity> mvo fixed the bug an hour later, but lacking a time machine, that didn't get his home directory back.
[18:55] <ogra_> i'm actually talking about the other way round
[18:55] <ogra_> (deb support on a native snappy install)
[18:55] <infinity> I know.  But "enable-classic" does/did Very Bad Things when run on a classic desktop.
[18:55] <infinity> Which was entertaining from a distance.  Painful up close.
[18:56] <ogra_> oh, he ran "snappy on classic deskktop" and there he ran snappy enable-classic ?
[18:56] <infinity> Yep.
[18:56] <ogra_> thats insane, we shouldnt support it
[18:58] <ogra_> (there is definitely no need for such an inception ... )
[19:01] <infinity> Anyhow, back to the original topic:
[19:02] <infinity> apw: Do you concur that tossing BSP kernels in universe (combined with main-like quality requirements and Canonical statements of support) is the sane way to handle things so we don't get stuck supporting a BSP for 5 years again, a la omap4/amradaxp/keystone?
[19:02] <apw> infinity, that sounds sane to me, as that lets us dial back support to product life
[19:02] <infinity> apw: To me, it seems much saner, so long as from our end we act as if it were in main, but we're making no bold promises to the community about lifecycle.
[19:03] <ogra_> omap4 wouldnt ave been that bad, had TI not decided to drop it completely right after 12.04 release :)
[19:03] <apw> infinity, that fits my mental model ...
[19:03] <infinity> ogra_: omap4 isn't actually hard to rebase/support (neither is armadaxp or keystone), but in all cases, the contracts ran out before the community support did, and that seems like a bit of a screw up.
[19:04] <ogra_> well, effectively the omap4 work is wasted time
[19:04] <ogra_> no matter if for contract or community ... the HW is gone
[19:05] <ogra_> (since about a month after the release that brought the support)
[19:05] <ogra_> infinity, apw, that remonds me, we'll have to look at the wifi firmware for the dragonboard too
[19:06] <ogra_> i guess that will be in the same camp then
[19:06] <ogra_> *reminds
[19:07] <ogra_> paolo has a package in his embedded PPA already
[19:15] <doko> infinity, do you have an idea about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mmpong/0.9.1-3build2 ?
[19:24] <infinity> doko:
[19:24] <infinity> -- checking for one of the modules 'CEGUI-OPENGL'
[19:24] <infinity> -- disabling mmpong-gl because of missing dependencies.
[19:25] <infinity> doko: Not that the cmake output is very helpful about what it's looking for, but that cmake snippet is probably sort of readable.
[19:26] <doko> oops, that was the wrong one. was looking for the uninstallability of the smc b-d's
[20:26] <cyphermox> infinity: would you have time to review libcxl today?
[20:26] <infinity> cyphermox: Dunno.
[22:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Any news on Base?


[00:43] <doko> infinity, there's one more typo ... the setting in COMMON_CONFIGURE_ARGS is ignored
[00:43] <doko> will look at it tomorrow
[01:09] <stokachu> slangasek: fyi ^
[03:21] <phillw> Hi folks, will bug 1555237 be in tomorrow's cron respins (i.e. dated 3rd April) ?
[03:21] <ubot5`> bug 1555237 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from 14.04.4→ 16.04 dies midway taking out the session." [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555237
[03:48] <infinity> Why did the bot just randomly barf a bug ref?
[03:56] <phillw> infinity: it did not, I asked if the fix released"
[03:57] <phillw> infinity: would be in 3rd April cron jobs
[04:35] <cyphermox> phillw: not really affecting the images so much, i suppose
[04:36] <cyphermox> oh, unless you were to try to upgrade from the CD, which probably needs some extra other bug fixes
[04:36] <cyphermox> in any case, it should all be in the next image, yes
[04:37] <phillw> cyphermox: thanks, I like to cover both bases as they are in the iso tracker for bug reporting and one tester has said it all failed... I asked him to re-try after the fix filtered down.
[04:38] <cyphermox> phillw: sure. like I said, I can see why upgrading from the CD might break in other fun ways, it needs testing
[04:39] <cyphermox> but at least the ugly bad failures should already be covered
[04:39] <phillw> cyphermox: no, he did the CLI command, and it failed
[04:39] <cyphermox> phillw: the issue is that this bug is too generic
[04:39] <cyphermox> we fixed one issue in dbus, and another completely unrelated issue in systemd
[04:39] <cyphermox> if there's more, we should have new bugs
[04:44] <phillw> cyphermox: indeed.. the guy is  a good tester, when he awakens, he will crawl all over it like a rash ,,, he is tsimonq2 and is pretty determined when you point him the right direction. He had various error messages, and synaptic package manger (GUI) failed to fix broken... So, I said I'd ask on here as to if things should be working okay. Should he tag onto the existing bug, or file a new one and have it brought to your guys' and gals' a
[04:45] <cyphermox> phillw: my preference is always a new bug, we can easily mark duplicates later, but it's hard to split things up after the fact
[04:46] <cyphermox> usually one bug per error message is a good plan; and one bug for synaptic not being able to fix broken packages
[04:47] <phillw> cyphermox: I concur, but it is always best to ask. Thank you for your time, and as this is logged channel, do you have any objection to my just copying and pasting our chat to him instead of him going through the logs?
[04:47] <cyphermox> not at all
[04:47] <cyphermox> I know tsimonq2
[04:49] <cyphermox> and on that, I log off now since it's very late :)
[04:49] <phillw> I gave him a VM for his 14th b/day present as part of apology for me going 'off topic'. He's doing well, only destryed it once :)
[07:59] <infinity> superm1: Bah.  I fixed the crc32 failure only to hit another failure in the testsuite afterward.  Done with my bored hacking for the night. :P
[09:55] <mapreri> can I poke for 2 RMs?  #1556226 #1556229
[10:26] <ginggs> mapreri: if no response, try on Monday
[10:34] <darkxst> infinity, still around? where does DistUpgradeQuirks get pulled from on a trusty upgrade, doesnt seem to use local copy?
[10:34] <darkxst> see bug 1565177
[10:34] <ubot5`> bug 1565177 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "screensaver is not disabled during release upgrade" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565177
[10:54] <mapreri> ginggs: Ok.
[10:57] <ginggs> mapreri: instead of hoping there are no rdeps, please include the output of 'reverse-depends src:scribus-ng' in the bug
[10:57] <ginggs> and the same for scribus-ng-doc
[13:14] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: hi, so I used gparted to partition my hard drive, so /dev/sda2 could be used, then I used https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/apds04.html to install Trusty onto the system, along with lubuntu-desktop.
[13:16] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: booted into /dev/sda2 and tried a do-release-upgrade -d. It did not work as expected. It threw some dep errors that I have to Phill in a pastebin. Do I file the build-dep errors as a bug in each of the affected packages? Where do I file the bug?
[13:16] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: and yes, Phill made me try Synaptic (I hate GUI when it comes to package management) and it was not able to fix it, bug against that as well?
[13:19] <phillw> infinity: can you give me a ping, thanks.
[14:02] <superm1> infinity: yup rabbit hole 😃
[14:02] <phillw> superm1: as alice, or the mad hatter ?
[14:03] <superm1> Definitely mad hatter
[18:21] <infinity> darkxst: The dist-upgrader comes from the target release, not the one you're starting from.
[18:22] <infinity> superm1: It wouldn't be a rabbit hole if the testsuite wasn't a single C file with assetions. :/
[18:22] <infinity> superm1: Breaking out all the tests would let me see them all broken at once instead of "yay, I fixed it, oh nevermind, yay I fixed it, oh nevermind".
[18:24] <infinity> superm1: Anyhow, the crc failure is a simple one-liner.  The compiler warnings are a red herring and don't relate (though would be nice to get fixed some day).
[18:24] <infinity> superm1: Now that I'm awake again, I might look at the new failure that fixing the crc failure exposed. :P
[21:18] <superm1> infinity: if you can run interactivity, launching libdfu/dfu-self-test --debug-log --verbose should hopefully get more information about what what was happening since the next thing after CRC doesn't look as straightforward


[08:51] <willcooke> morning all
[08:52] <willcooke> well, what's left of us
[08:54] <didrocks> the last of us? (2)
[08:54] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[09:01]  * desrt is here
[09:02] <willcooke> morning desrt, didrocks
[09:02] <didrocks> hey desrt!
[09:03] <desrt> quiet day :)
[09:04] <desrt> or quiet rest-of-the-year, probably
[09:04] <willcooke> hope so :)
[09:05] <desrt> lol
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:06] <davmor2> willcooke, desrt: that's just wishful thinking
[09:06] <willcooke> we live in hope
[09:10] <davmor2> willcooke: hope is for the weak, do or do not, that is the way of the force ;)
[09:12] <willcooke> :D
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> Morning willcooke didrocks desrt davmor2
[09:17] <willcooke> howdy flexiondotorg
[09:18] <flexiondotorg> o/
[09:19] <flexiondotorg> Is seb128 still about or en vacances?
[09:19] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg!
[09:19] <didrocks> seb will be back soon, he had an appointment
[09:20] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[09:21] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, I've been talking to the Nuvola Player dev. He's filed a couple of bugs as a result of starting to snap it.
[09:22] <flexiondotorg> Wondered if you've encountered anything like this?
[09:22] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1648988
[09:22] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1648988 in Snappy "Unable to fork a new WebProcess: Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/webkit2gtk-4.0/WebKitNetworkProcess" (No such file or directory)." [Undecided,New]
[09:23] <flexiondotorg> They are out of free time for a bit, but will try building WebKit as a source part.
[09:24] <flexiondotorg> I was wondering if there are any other quick workarounds you might have seen?
[09:25] <didrocks> working in devmode?
[09:25] <flexiondotorg> No.
[09:26] <flexiondotorg> They started with a confined snap and I had them change that.
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> This is their snap - https://github.com/fenryxo/nuvola-snap
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> Which is all hooked up in LP with Git mirroring and snap building.
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> I'm considering making a remote part for WebKit.
[09:28] <didrocks> I guess you will have to debug the exact failure with gdb in process thus
[09:34] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, I was hoping to avoid that :-)
[09:34] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[09:35]  * flexiondotorg leaves for the coffee shop to meet Lightworks about snaps
[09:57] <seb128> hey willcooke flexiondotorg didrocks
[09:58] <seb128> sorry had an appointment at 10
[09:58] <didrocks> re seb128
[09:58] <seb128> I'm back now
[10:46] <Sweet5hark> moin
[10:47] <Sweet5hark> last days before vacation and someone puts my name on a regression. :/
[10:47] <ricotz> hello desktopers
[10:56] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I am currently uploading 5.2.4~rc2
[10:57] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark ricotz
[10:57] <seb128> Sweet5hark, btw what's the status of 5.1.6 for xenial? there are some users asking about that
[11:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, seen that. its in https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-5-1 and currently no major problems known with it.
[11:00] <seb128> SRU before holidays? ;-)
[11:02] <Sweet5hark> seb128: meh. Currently at "getting 5.3beta snap before hols".
[11:04] <seb128> that seems important as well :-)
[11:04] <seb128> today has 30 hours though so it's ok right? ;-)
[12:46] <jcastro> Sweet5hark: I have to admit, I've started to use LO more and more now that I get a fresh version.
[12:46]  * jcastro is old and boring so always on the LTS
[13:16] <seb128> jcastro, you didn't use the lts version because of bugs?
[13:17] <seb128> you don't start using something you don't need just because it's getting updates, or do you? ;-)
[13:20] <ricotz> and it is not like there were no update possibilities before ;)
[13:22] <jcastro> seb128: it's just that as the LTS got older than 6 months upstream's improvements outpaced the older version.
[13:22] <jcastro> ricotz: yeah but I'm trying to live a ppa-free life. :D
[13:23] <seb128> jcastro, k, you probably do more fancy things that me, I mostly open/edit simple documents and the LTS version does the job pretty nicely for those ;-)
[13:24] <jcastro> yeah, there's a kind of peace of mind there too tbh. Like knowing if I set it up for someone they'll always have the newest version of the app, but on a stable OS.
[13:25] <jcastro> not that I'm doing that with snaps yet
[13:26] <seb128> but yeah I like snaps for that as well
[13:28] <jcastro> now we just need vlc updated, heh.
[13:29] <seb128> I though it was updated this week (at least in the edge channel)?
[13:29] <jcastro> really? /me checks
[13:31] <jcastro> there was a newish command to see what versions are in what channels
[13:32] <jcastro> `snap info vlc`, but it's for snapd 2.18 and xenial is still on 2.17
[13:41] <jcastro> seb128: you're right, it's a 3.0.x git version, which appears to be a devel release
[13:41] <jcastro> it crashes on launch, but at least it's up there, heh.
[13:42] <seb128> jcastro, yeah that was mentioned as well, I though it would maybe have been fixed by now
[13:49]  * flexiondotorg is returned
[14:11] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[14:11] <seb128> flexiondotorg, I was waiting for you to be back to reply to your earlier comment
[14:11] <seb128> that looks like a webkit relocation issue, not a bug in snapcraft or snappy
[14:11] <seb128> I don't see an easy workaround
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Thanks.
[14:26] <seb128> yw
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, I think so too but was hoping I was wrong :-)
[14:26] <seb128> the think is that webkit is built with prefix=/usr
[14:26] <seb128> thing
[14:26] <seb128> so it looks there for the helper
[14:27] <Sweet5hark> jcastro: heh, yeah
[14:43] <Sweet5hark> jcastro: fwiw, LibreOffice 3.5 on precise was one of the better releases but is ancient and is expected to be painful. LibreOffice 4.2 on trusty wasnt a too good release in the first place. LibreOffice 5.1 on xenial is still a decent release IMHO (from a core point-of-view, since 5.x we started caring more about cleaning up the UI -- which, while less mission criticial, is more visible to users)
[17:57] <willcooke> night all