[01:03] <jticket> Is there a shortcut to start orca after boot
[02:14] <damian___> Ubuntu MATE rocking on PowerPC Mac Mini G4
[03:20] <randall> awesome
[04:27] <thad> just installed Ubuntu Mate.  After each reboot however, I notice that it keeps trying to find a usb3 port or something that is not there ? how do I remove that ?
[04:27] <thad> or how do I show that log ?
[10:24] <RyanKin> I think this is right, if I want to switch from Xubuntu to Ubuntu Mate, is it "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mate-desktop"?
[10:24] <ouroumov> RyanKin: sudo apt install ubuntu-mate-desktop ubuntu-mate-core
[10:25] <RyanKin> I noticed in synaptic a mate-desktop and I just wanted to be sure. Thank you ouroumov
[11:29] <antonio__> hola alguine que me pueda ayudar a solucionar el problema que tengo del wifi???
[11:30] <antonio__> con ubuntu mate
[14:35] <rthornton> On Saturday, i did something very dumb with the 'disks' software and confused myself on which disk i was editing!  I ended up trashing my main disk and had to restore the OS;  I was using the Mate 16.04 (everyting worked) to trying 16.10, where everything does not work, including, but probably not limited to RStudio, and Samba.  I simply could not get Samba to connect to my internal cloud;  Last night, I went back
[14:35] <rthornton> to 16.04;  everything is now cool!  I guess the moral is to stick with LTS versions only?
[16:41] <pedmoichrsandiam> hubo un tomate
[16:42] <DarkPsydeLord> ??? what?
[16:42] <DarkPsydeLord> we had tomatos yes
[19:51] <mate|74135> hello, I can t   install a printer hp deskjet d1460 with USB  , detect a d1400 and no conection and no printitng , help me please
[21:27] <randall> did you make sure you got the right driver?
[22:42] <hirntot> Guten Abend
[23:24] <CoderEurope> Anyone about ?
[23:25] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Now that UbuntuMate has adopted GTK3 does that mean that it is effectively Gnome3 or is it still Gnome2 ?
[23:29] <CoderEurope> ali1234, ping
[23:31] <CoderEurope> bittin, Hiya - missed you since UOS back a couple of months ago :-)
[23:42] <ali1234> mate isn't gnome
[23:43] <CoderEurope> ali1234: Sorry I thought it was forked from gnome 2 ?
[23:43] <ali1234> it was
[23:45] <CoderEurope> My question is : Does the term GTK effectively represent which version of Gnome (2 or 3) that GTK runs on ? e.g. Is GTK3 used in gnome 2 at all (?) or only Gnome 3 ?
[23:45] <ali1234> no
[23:45] <ali1234> gtk is just a library
[23:45] <CoderEurope> So GTK has nothing to do with the Gnome 2 / 3 version numbering/s ?
[23:45] <ali1234> not really, no
[23:46] <CoderEurope> Ahh Ok, thankyou for that.
[23:47] <CoderEurope> Hope your doing well ali1234 - and I wish you every success with the $2K highjump, that is 2017 bitcoin, Good luck Alistair B :)
[23:49] <CoderEurope> o/


[06:37] <inetpro> fp
[06:37] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:42] <charlvn> good morning all
[06:42] <charlvn> hi inetpro
[06:42] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[06:42]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:46] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[06:58] <inetpro> hi charlvn
[07:00] <Kilos> morning guys
[07:00] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[07:03] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[07:15] <charlvn> morning Kilos, maiatoday
[07:36] <inetpro> good mornings Kilos and maiatoday
[07:36] <Kilos> hiya inetpro
[08:20] <magespawn> good morning all
[09:21] <Squirm> morning
[09:21] <magespawn> AWAY working(sigh)
[09:36]  * inetpro wonders what people use for network diagrams these days
[09:37] <inetpro> anyone found something decent one can use on Ubuntu yet?
[09:40] <SmilyBorg> inetpro: the best I've found so far on Linux is Dia and it's pretty disappointing compared to a version of Visio that I used like 6-8 years back
[09:41] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: eish! Everything still the same then?
[09:41] <SmilyBorg> unfortunatly
[09:43] <inetpro> can't believe with all the nice goodies on Linux and Android that nobody has come up with a decent replacement for Visio
[09:45]  * SmilyBorg nods
[10:27] <smile> hi :p
[10:27] <smile> if I have a Maaz message, what do I have to type? :p
[10:27] <smile> :)
[10:41] <not_found> o/
[11:18] <magespawn> smile a message for you from Maaz or from you to someone else?
[11:32] <smile> for me from maaz, but I already saw it :)
[11:32] <smile> thanks anyway, magespawn :)
[11:32] <magespawn> np smile
[11:36] <BorrisDieBlokman> ola ola
[11:36] <magespawn> hi BorrisDieBlokman
[11:36] <BorrisDieBlokman> hope all is well?
[11:36] <magespawn> so far it is
[11:37] <BorrisDieBlokman> thats good
[11:37] <BorrisDieBlokman> any news on Ubuntu on Droid?
[11:38] <magespawn> no I have not heard anything new yet.
[12:16] <Kilos> oh my
[12:16] <Kilos> afternoon all of you
[12:17] <Kilos> hiya BorrisDieBlokman
[12:17] <Kilos> is jy nuut hier?
[12:17] <Kilos> aw where my fly
[12:17] <Kilos> inetpro, wassup
[12:18] <Kilos> ??
[12:18] <inetpro> eh Kilos
[12:18] <inetpro> you got lost somewhere in space?
[12:19] <Kilos> looked at unity on the 20g from nuvolari , gonna take some getting used to
[12:19] <inetpro> you got it working?
[12:19] <Kilos> cant get it too connect with this modem so came back on maverick
[12:19] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:19] <Kilos> it doesnt see you got a broadband googie added
[12:20] <Kilos> or maybe they dont like voda because i tried fone with 8ta and it connected
[12:21] <Kilos> but R2 on there so cut off put voda sim in fone and it wouldnt connect
[12:21] <Kilos> grrr
[12:21] <Kilos> will only put the 8ta airtime on wed morn
[12:23] <Kilos> actually came to look for the unity guide as well
[12:24] <Kilos> Maaz, unity guide
[12:24] <Maaz> http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/06/21/unity-orientation-guide-ubuntu-1204-lts
[12:27] <Kilos> ha ha first thing they sa Simplify your life
[12:27] <Kilos> say
[12:32] <Kilos> inetpro, waars jy?
[12:32] <Kilos> besig?
[12:32] <Kilos> of slaap jy nog
[12:32] <inetpro> eh skuus, wat sr jy?
[12:33] <inetpro> eish!
[12:33] <inetpro> ...wat sê jy?
[12:33] <Kilos> haha ek sukkel met n ooi wat lam is
[12:33] <Kilos> sy lyk gesond maar kannie opstaan nie
[12:34] <inetpro> ai
[12:34] <Kilos> met 4 klein bosluise by haar poepol af gehaal
[12:34] <Kilos> so rooi met swart bo rug
[12:34] <Kilos> dink dis verlammings bosluise
[12:35] <inetpro> sjoe
[12:35] <Kilos> kannie goed genoeg sien nie maar as ek reg onthou is dit die bontpoot luis wat die verlamming ene is
[12:36] <Kilos> sal later sien of ek reg is
[12:37] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe lank al?
[12:38] <Kilos> as ek onthou so 3 tot 6 ure dan staan hulle op
[12:38] <Kilos> dis nou amper n huur
[12:39] <inetpro> ai, hoop maar jy het almal gevind
[12:40] <inetpro> nie veel anders wat ek van weet wat jy kan doen nie
[12:40] <Kilos> nee jy moet die goet net vind en aftrek
[12:41] <inetpro> net mooi teen die vel aftrek
[12:42] <Kilos> het probeer ja maar het fingers naels so n uur voor dit gesny
[12:42] <Kilos> lol
[12:43] <Kilos> sall nou nou gaan met n eyebrow tweezer en vergroot glas
[12:43] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:43]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:44] <inetpro> ai
[12:45] <Kilos> lmga
[12:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[12:47] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[12:47] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:48] <inetpro> Kilos: http://www.agriwiki.co.za/index.php?title=Karoo_%E2%80%93_Bosluisverlamming
[12:49] <Kilos> ty
[12:56] <Kilos> het die borris darem gegroet?
[13:52] <charlvn> good afternoon
[13:52] <charlvn> hectic day
[13:52] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[13:52]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[15:04] <magespawn> later all.
[16:05] <Kilos> yo superfly
[16:05] <Kilos> im leaning towards kubuntu slowly but surely
[16:06] <Kilos> hi not_found
[16:06] <not_found> hello uncle Kilos
[16:06] <Kilos> unity giving me big grief. have to come back to maverick to get online
[16:07] <Kilos> but doesnt look too bad
[16:07] <Kilos> hi smile
[16:07] <Kilos> Squirm,
[16:07] <Kilos> et al
[16:17] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[16:25] <Kilos> yo nuvolari
[17:14] <magespawn> evening all
[17:27] <charlvn> hi magespawn
[17:27] <Kilos> hi magespawn charlvn
[17:28] <magespawn> hi charlvn , Kilos
[17:28] <Kilos> yo Guest18866
[17:36] <Kilos> how can unity make  my whole /home/ and stuff dpkg needs access to read only
[17:36] <Kilos> Bad install or what
[17:37] <Kilos> and it lets me enable bobile broadband with the fone plugged in but no such option with usb modem
[17:37] <Kilos> grrr
[17:38] <Kilos> bobile/mobile
[17:41] <magespawn> trials and tribulation of unity
[17:41] <Kilos> lol how can even my desktop be read only
[17:42] <Kilos> cant make a file to get logs
[17:42] <Kilos> and error reports
[17:43] <Kilos> cant install aptitude even because dpkg hasnt got access to some file in the /var/ things
[17:45] <magespawn> sounds strange, looks like something went wrong somewhere
[17:45] <magespawn> can you chown?
[17:45] <Kilos> yeah tried and still wont let dpkg work
[17:46] <magespawn> what do the other s say?
[17:46] <Kilos> good thing i didnt install it on this drive first
[17:46] <Kilos> no one has said anything. i been offline mosta the day
[17:46] <Kilos> cant be here and install unity
[17:46] <magespawn> oh right.
[17:47] <magespawn> sheep?
[17:47] <Kilos> has unity got synaptic package manager?
[17:47] <Kilos> lol spent some time with them today but mostly here with unity
[17:48] <Kilos> had to pull ticks off ones bum
[17:48] <Kilos> paralisisticks
[17:48] <Kilos> grr
[17:48] <Kilos> them what paralyze sheep and goats
[17:51] <Kilos> wb tumbleweed
[17:56] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[17:56] <charlvn> sorry was busy talking to my mom
[17:56] <Kilos> np
[17:56] <charlvn> how's it going
[17:57] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[17:57] <charlvn> good good
[17:57] <charlvn> busy buying a new bike
[17:57] <Kilos> what bike?
[17:58] <charlvn> at this point i want the betavus winner
[17:59] <charlvn> looks like a good all-round bike
[17:59] <charlvn> i don't do sporting or anything, i just use it to get around town etc, and i enjoy biking around over the weekend
[18:00] <Kilos> in summer. winter too cold
[18:00] <Kilos> mind you when you young your skin is thick
[18:00] <charlvn> not always, i don't mind biking around when it's >0 but when it falls below 0 i don't like to bike
[18:00] <charlvn> then i take the bus :P
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:00] <charlvn> last winter was really warm but who knows what this winter will be like
[18:01] <charlvn> although we did have two weeks of cold, came down to -15
[18:01] <Kilos> when you go over 80 kph your temp drops 10ooc
[18:01] <Kilos> grr
[18:01] <Kilos> 10°c
[18:01] <charlvn> heh if i manage to go 80 kmph on a bicycle i will fall off the damn thing lol
[18:01] <Kilos> wind chill factor
[18:01] <Kilos> i would die at -15
[18:02] <Kilos> before that even
[18:02] <charlvn> no i tend to go slow on a bike in any case, the distances here are not too great, i live like 15 mins from my work
[18:02] <Kilos> ah thats lekker
[18:03] <Kilos> slow is forold peeps
[18:03] <nuvolari> hello's :)
[18:03] <Kilos> oh and geeks i spose
[18:03] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[18:03] <charlvn> lol i enjoy the outdoors
[18:03] <charlvn> since i don't get out much :P
[18:03] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos, charlvn
[18:03] <charlvn> actually for a geek i do get out a lot, i like to travel
[18:03] <charlvn> hi nuvolari
[18:04] <Kilos> nuvolari, i could maybe get used to unity if it worked
[18:04] <nuvolari> the what what?
[18:05] <nuvolari> didn't you get the 3d card working oom Kilos ?
[18:05] <Kilos> 12.04 unity
[18:05] <Kilos> ya man its the audio card that doesnt
[18:07] <Kilos> i see unity kiff
[18:09] <superfly> Kilos: what does lspci show you?
[18:09] <Kilos> min wr things superfly  lots r's
[18:09] <superfly> Kilos: and are you sure that the audio is not just muted?
[18:10] <Kilos> cant member now because i couldnt even open or make a file to copy to
[18:10] <superfly> Kilos: huh?
[18:10] <magespawn> Kilos did you id the ticks?
[18:10] <Kilos> if i plug in to onboard aound plug audio works
[18:10] <superfly> "lspci" is a command, one word
[18:11] <Kilos> squashed them magespawn
[18:11] <Kilos> aw i did ls -pci
[18:11] <Kilos> i think
[18:11] <charlvn> ah it could be outputting to the wrong device if you have more than one
[18:11] <superfly> Kilos: If I'd wanted "ls -pci" I would have asked for it
[18:11] <charlvn> i used to have that problem on an old computer of mine
[18:12] <nuvolari> yeah, I had that issue with it too
[18:12] <Kilos> superfly, im on maverick i cant do lspci on the other drive
[18:12] <nuvolari> I just dunno how to tell someone how to fix it
[18:12] <nuvolari> eh?
[18:12] <superfly> Kilos: is it the same computer?
[18:12] <charlvn> on gnome3 you get a list of the hardware devices if you go under the audio settings
[18:12] <nuvolari> lspci is a standard command, not?
[18:12] <charlvn> but i don't know if it's the same on the others
[18:13] <charlvn> there is a tab "hardware" and under that it lists all the devices
[18:13] <Kilos> yes but cant boot with both drives connected goes to the unity one even though maverick is the primary
[18:13] <charlvn> if you click the speaker icon and click "Sound Settings" for example
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: then lspci on either one will be the same
[18:13] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:13] <Kilos> sec
[18:14] <nuvolari> Kilos: do you have the alsamixer app installed? (cli)
[18:14] <nuvolari> it will list when it detects more than 1 device too
[18:14] <nuvolari> (by pressing F6)
[18:14] <charlvn> that's a good idea nuvolari
[18:15] <charlvn> on my macbook pro i used to have to tweak some stuff under that as well
[18:15] <charlvn> it gives you the full overview of the sound settings, much better than the guy utils
[18:15] <Kilos> superfly, http://slexy.org/view/s2yQwNVJdj
[18:15] <Kilos> on maverick yes nuvolari i have alsa mixer
[18:15] <nuvolari> line 13 oom kilos
[18:16] <charlvn> yup there is two audio devices you have
[18:16] <charlvn> on lines 6 and 13
[18:16] <charlvn> i assume 6 is your on-board sound and 13 is your card
[18:16] <Kilos> ya
[18:17] <charlvn> *gui utils, not guy utils... yuck
[18:17] <charlvn> bad typo
[18:17] <nuvolari> lol
[18:17]  * nuvolari wondered what that meant
[18:17] <charlvn> yeah sorry :S
[18:17] <charlvn> not good
[18:17] <charlvn> i hate it when you try to type "guy" and accidentally type "gay", that also happens
[18:17] <charlvn> can get people rather worked up by accideent
[18:17] <charlvn> *accident
[18:18] <nuvolari> lol I can imagine
[18:18] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, at least we know the system picks it up
[18:18] <Kilos> ya
[18:19] <Kilos> im tempted to install unity here in place of maverick
[18:19] <Kilos> can always come online with 11.04 on the 6g
[18:20] <charlvn> sorry i need to go do stuff... bbbl
[18:20] <charlvn> bbl - what the heck is up with my typing tonight
[18:20] <Kilos> maybe that 20g isnt happy nuvolari had to try install 3 or 4 times then put xp then only did it take 12.04
[18:21] <Kilos> later charlvn
[18:21] <Kilos> got kernel panics first 3 times with unity and once with maverick
[18:22] <Kilos> then after xp it took unity
[18:22] <superfly> Kilos: kernel panics usually indicate bad hardware
[18:22] <Kilos> must been a bad boot sector
[18:22] <nuvolari> oom Kilos unity is not an ubuntu version :P it's a desktop environment
[18:23] <nuvolari> you have me all confused
[18:23] <Kilos> superfly, is there a way to see if there are bad sectors with ubuntu
[18:23] <superfly> Kilos: yes, I think so
[18:23] <Kilos> unity is easier to type than 12.04
[18:23] <Kilos> no .
[18:23] <nuvolari> but unity was in 11.x too
[18:24] <Kilos> because once before maverick told me there were bmany bad sectors but not this time
[18:24] <Kilos> nuvolari, if i say unity you must know im using 12.04
[18:25] <nuvolari> but you could be using xfce on 12.04 too
[18:25] <nuvolari> which will make that box a speeding bullet
[18:25] <superfly> Kilos: that will be because once the sectors are marked as bad, they are no longer used, and your hard drive skips past them without telling hte operating system
[18:25] <Kilos> then i will tell you beforehand
[18:26] <Kilos> oh my. no way to see if there are bad ones unless i install xp there hey?
[18:26] <Kilos> methinks its scandisk or defrag that used to show bad sectors
[18:27] <superfly> Kilos: well, I'm sure whatever app on Ubuntu does that will be able to do that too
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <superfly> my point is that it won't continue to report existing marked bad sectors unless you look for them specifically
[18:27] <Kilos> ok i ask maaz to google
[18:28] <psydroid> hi Kilos and superfly
[18:28] <superfly> hi psydroid
[18:28] <Kilos> i would like to see if there are any yes
[18:28] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[18:28] <nuvolari> \o/ tomorrow's forecast is a little bit warmer
[18:30] <smile> Kilos: type in your terminal:     telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu :p
[18:30] <smile> :)
[18:30] <smile> lots of fun guaranteed ;)
[18:31] <Kilos> no man im trying to fix a drive and unity
[18:31] <Kilos>  Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[18:31] <Kilos> something called badblocks superfly
[18:32] <smile> :(
[18:32] <nuvolari> smile: can I try?
[18:32] <Kerbero> smile: werkt niet
[18:32] <smile> nuvolari: yes you can ;)
[18:32] <smile> Kerbero: werkt wel. zonder spaties he. :p
[18:33] <nuvolari> lol
[18:33] <smile> telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
[18:33] <smile> :p
[18:33] <smile> nuvolari: you found the cat? ;)
[18:33] <nuvolari> ye :>
[18:33] <Kerbero> nope
[18:33] <Kerbero> werkt niet
[18:33] <smile> Kerbero: oh :o
[18:33] <smile> i have to go, bye :p
[18:33] <nuvolari> nyaned for almost a minute
[18:33] <nuvolari> ok bubye
[18:33] <smile> :)
[18:33] <smile> see ya :)
[18:34] <Kilos> cheers smile
[18:34] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:34] <Kilos> grrr
[18:37] <Kilos> superfly, here is the command sudo badblocks -v /dev/sdb1
[18:54] <Kilos> so nuvolari must i switch off the sound goodie in bios? called ac97 i think?
[18:55] <Kilos> alsa mixer sees the sb card but still no sound comes out
[18:57] <Kilos> we look tomorrow. sleep tight all
[19:11] <magespawn> good night all
[20:06] <charlvn> anyone still around?
[20:09] <inetpro> no
[20:10] <inetpro> not me


 Anyone else going to be at the Ubuntu Summit?
 Can't make it 😓
 Next time ;)
 In any case, my DMs are open if anyone is looking to keysign/meet up and talk
 Registered for online. Not sure what  that gets you yet
 I'll try qtdeclarative during my layovers - 4 hours in MSP, eight hours in Paris (re @tsimonq2: qtdeclarative seems like the choice - I'll get started)
 Re: GCC-11 patch...
 Looks like only one of the two changes was merged to the 5.15 branch?
 Flight delayed - I have a tentative MP locally, just need to finish running it through a build :)
 FAIL!  : tst_qqmlqt::dateTimeFormatting(formatDate) Compared values are not the same
 FAIL!  : tst_qqmlqt::dateTimeFormattingWithLocale() Compared values are not the same
 FAIL!  : tst_QJSEngine::toScriptValue(qdate) Compared values are not the same
 FAIL!  : tst_QJSEngine::valueConversion_dateTime() Compared values are not the same
 Yes, in Origin: header I have two commits. One of them (mine) has Pick-to: 5.15, the other one doesn't. So please update the patch and remove one of the commits from Origin header. (re @tsimonq2: Looks like only one of the two changes was merged to the 5.15 branch?)
 None of these tests was modified in 5.15.7. Maybe they are just flaky?
 If you are able to reproduce the failure, please paste a few more lines. I would like to see left value, right value, and line number. (re @tsimonq2: FAIL!  : tst_qqmlqt::dateTimeFormatting(formatDate) Compared values are not the same
 FAIL!  : tst_qqmlqt::dateTimeFormattingWithLocale() Compared values are not the same
 FAIL!  : tst_QJSEngine::toScriptValue(qdate) Compared values are not the same
 FAIL!  : tst_QJSEngine::valueConversion_dateTime() Compared values are not the same)
 Done - thank you :) (re @mitya57: Yes, in Origin: header I have two commits. One of them (mine) has Pick-to: 5.15, the other one doesn't. So please update the patch and remove one of the commits from Origin header.)
 You got it (re @mitya57: None of these tests was modified in 5.15.7. Maybe they are just flaky?
 If you are able to reproduce the failure, please paste a few more lines. I would like to see left value, right value, and line number.)
 Looks like last build time was 20 minutes - should bring me within minutes of Paris boarding time :)
 Ok, have a nice flight :)
 Thanks :)
 How old is Joshua now?
 About the age I was when I first started in the project
 I have the utmost patience, more patience than a lot of people it seems :P
 (I used to be... that :) )
 🤐
 ah, such is life
 Confirmed it's not a flaky test, full build log incoming... (re @mitya57: None of these tests was modified in 5.15.7. Maybe they are just flaky?
 If you are able to reproduce the failure, please paste a few more lines. I would like to see left value, right value, and line number.)
 Thanks, but I will probably look only tomorrow anyway.
 No worries


[21:48] <dwidmann> Ghost_620: that's bare minimum, not even enough for it to run well ...
[21:49] <krash> qiuseppe_: Well, I'm extreme, so don't know if my advice would be the best.  But I'd try reinstalling first and seeing if the problem still persists
[21:49] <giuseppe_> krash: ok... thanks krash
[21:49] <krash> Ghost_620: Yeah my buddies comp only had 512 and it was horribly SLOW
[21:50] <Ghost_620> ok well, I'll give it another shot, will definitely come back if it still has serious issues afterwards, thanks for the help
[21:51] <krash> giuseppe_: Hope it works for you, good luck, kubuntu is awesome, keep trying it's worth the effort :)
[21:51] <krash> On that note, I should get some work done here myself -- AFK a bit fellers
[21:52] <giuseppe_> krash: another thing: why Picasa it's installed on my ubuntu but it does not start?
[21:52]  * dwidmann heads off to take a shower
[21:56] <EVRAMP> hi, i am getting Not starting K Display Manager (kdm-kde4); it is not the default display manager.
[21:57] <EVRAMP> however executing kdm command results in KDM window... can anyone help me pls?
[22:13] <Far^Side> dwidmann, ok, thank you
[22:14] <maelcum> hi. i'd like to upgrade to 8.10 but obviously i also want my ati video chip to continue working. fglrx does not seem to be available for xorg 7.4 which intrepid uses afaik.
[22:14] <maelcum> any success stories for failures?
[22:14] <maelcum> *or
[22:21] <EVRAMP> driver was renamed to catalyst (newest 8.8) as far as i know
[22:21] <EVRAMP> maelcum,
[22:23] <maelcum> EVRAMP: yeah right, it's called catalyst now but look at this: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[22:23] <maelcum> it's recent, and it doesn't mention 7.5
[22:24] <maelcum> *7.4
[22:24] <TimS> Grr, when I use SSH or synergy, this computer can act as a client, but never lets any one connect in server mode
[22:24] <TimS> Is there a way to check if the ports are open?
[22:24] <maelcum> nmap, telnet, others
[22:25] <TimS> 22/tcp   open  ssh
[22:25] <TimS> Grr :(
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> might want to remove the bit in the topic about kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4, since it redirects here now :)
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: ^
[22:31] <TimS> 8.10 Support in #ubuntu+1 for a whole day :p
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:31] <TimS> What time GMT is the official release/party?
[22:45] <DarkSmoke> when is kubuntu gonna be released?
[22:53] <KDesk> What function has the "HPLIP Status Service" icon in my panel?
[22:56] <wayneward>  Kdesk it shows if your running out of ink if you have a HP printer! and you can scan!  were is kprinter gone! i want it back!!
[22:58] <KDesk> wayneward: ah, interesting, but it says that could not communicate with my printer (a HP). How can I remove that icon, because it apears every time I log in.
[22:59] <wayneward> try removing the hpijs as root
[22:59] <wayneward> then log out and back in
[23:03] <supert0nes> ugh :\
[23:03] <birnisson> hi, for some reason loading of youtube videos got really slow on my sytem. could that be because I don't have version 10 yet?
[23:05] <Riddell> ** ISO install testers needed, join us in -devel if you can help
[23:06] <supert0nes> that means you kde3 users
[23:06] <supert0nes> heh j/k
[23:12] <Guest95329> hey guys, I am having trouble changing my colour scheme in KDE 4
[23:12] <psyco> I had kde 3, upgraded,
[23:13] <psyco> and I still have the black theme I used,
[23:26] <marta_> hello
[23:28] <marta_>  kubuntu livecd have quanta plus ?
[23:29] <dwidmann> marta_: umm, I don't think so. ... Knoppix might
[23:39] <tacosarecool> Hello
[23:41] <tacosarecool> Any way to retrieve a password on kubuntu
[23:41] <tacosarecool> I haven't used the laptop in a long time
[23:41] <elisiano> with a live cd
[23:41] <tacosarecool> And I don't remember the pass
[23:41] <elisiano> you can chroot and change the pass
[23:41] <tacosarecool> Can you do it at the prompt
[23:42] <elisiano> ofcourse
[23:42] <tacosarecool> Ok
[23:42] <tacosarecool> Can I have the command please
[23:42] <elisiano> you have to mount the old / somewhere
[23:42] <tacosarecool> sudo mv something?
[23:42] <elisiano> mkdir /mnt/oldroot
[23:43] <elisiano> mount /dev/DEVICE /mnt/oldroot
[23:43] <elisiano> mount -o bind /proc /mnt/oldroot/proc
[23:43] <elisiano> chroot /mnt/oldroot
[23:43] <elisiano> passwd username
[23:44] <victorjdh> Good night!
[23:45] <elisiano> tacosarecool: of courde you have to know the DEVICE
[23:45] <elisiano> good night victorjdh
[23:45] <elisiano> s/courde/course/
[23:45] <victorjdh> Where are you from elisiano?
[23:45] <elisiano> italy
[23:45] <victorjdh> wow
[23:46] <victorjdh> i'm from brazil
[23:46] <victorjdh> so far
[23:46] <victorjdh> from italy
[23:46] <elisiano> yeah :)
[23:46] <victorjdh> i'm 12
[23:46] <tacosarecool> I'll just wait till tomoorow
[23:46] <victorjdh> Oo
[23:46] <tacosarecool> Tommorow
[23:46] <tacosarecool> 8.10 will be out
[23:46] <elisiano> -.-'
[23:46] <elisiano> never give up
[23:46] <tacosarecool> It's not really giving up
[23:46] <tacosarecool> It's just waiting
[23:47] <victorjdh> ^^
[23:47] <victorjdh> do you develop in php?
[23:47] <tacosarecool> I didn't say I was giving up on kubuntu
[23:47] <elisiano> it was in general... not just kubuntu
[23:47] <elisiano> :D
[23:47] <tacosarecool> oh ok
[23:48] <victorjdh> ok. i'll sleep now... nobody talks...
[23:48] <victorjdh> bye everybody
[23:48] <elisiano> bye
[23:55] <psyco> hey guys, when I change my window decorator to kwi instead of emerald,
[23:55] <psyco> it gives me the kde 3 theme instead of kde 4
[23:55] <alonea> how do I get compiz to load on start? I have to load the compiz fusion icon and reload window manager when I start.
[23:55] <psyco> anyone know why?
[23:58] <psyco> ok ill ask it differently,
[23:58] <psyco> where do I get kde4-window-decorator
[23:59] <mot_> how do i install kde4 from the commandline?
[23:59] <sidney> Hi Guys i just reinstalled ubuntu but have on sound


[00:06] <Middleastin> hello
[00:06] <Middleastin> yo
[00:06] <Middleastin> please
[00:06] <Middleastin> TALK
[00:06] <Middleastin> PPL
[00:07] <Middleastin> ARE U HERE
[00:07] <somerville32> Hi
[00:07] <Middleastin> who
[00:07] <Middleastin> wow
[00:07] <somerville32> How can I help you? :)
[00:07] <Middleastin> someone answered
[00:07] <Middleastin> yea
[00:07] <Middleastin> so you can help me out with unbuntu right
[00:08] <Middleastin> ?
[00:08] <somerville32> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel
[00:08] <Middleastin> so you can help me
[00:08] <somerville32> This channel is for the coordination of the development of the Ubuntu documentation
[00:08] <Middleastin> oh
[00:08] <Middleastin> sorry
[00:08] <somerville32> Please refer to #ubuntu
[00:08] <Middleastin> is that it
[00:08] <Middleastin> do i search for that
[00:08] <Middleastin> #ubuntu
[00:09] <Middleastin> i am not fimilar with this kinda chat server
[00:09] <somerville32> type: /join #ubuntu
[00:10] <Middleastin> where do i type that
[00:10] <somerville32> Where you're typing right now
[00:10] <Middleastin> OH
[00:10] <Middleastin> ok
[00:11] <Middleastin> thanks alot
[02:54] <oldmanstan> somerville32: that was a pretty humorous help request and response above ^
[02:55] <somerville32> lol
[02:59] <oldmanstan> somerville32: i like the idea of a xubuntu help browser, so long as it doesn't take a crazy amount of time/effort, which i don't think it will
[02:59] <oldmanstan> let me know if you guys need any help on it
[03:01] <somerville32> Awesome :)
[04:33] <posingaspopular> hey all
[04:38] <posingaspopular> im trying to start writing the basic commands for xubuntu hardy. so far, i have 'man' 'sudo' 'ls' 'pwd' 'cd' and 'ifconfig'/'dhclient
[04:38] <posingaspopular> anything else?
[04:43] <somerville32> posingaspopular, We're have a basic commands section?
[04:44] <posingaspopular> i could have sworn....
[04:44] <posingaspopular> or else i was mapping out docs in my head all day for no reason
[04:45] <somerville32> As long as we aren't expecting anyone to use them :P
[04:47] <posingaspopular> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/HardyAssignments
[04:47] <posingaspopular> basic commands
[04:47] <somerville32> It should be nothing more than an appendix at best.
[04:48] <posingaspopular> ummm.... okay....
[04:48] <somerville32> We should strive to make it so that users don't even have to touch the cli
[04:48] <posingaspopular> somerville32: im really bad at this docs thing by the way
[04:48] <somerville32> posingaspopular, No you're not :P
[04:57] <oldmanstan> somerville32: the ubuntu docs have a CLI section, we just duplicated it
[04:57] <somerville32> oldmanstan, Okay. Are we trying to maintain a minimum delta or is there no point to that now?
[04:58] <oldmanstan> yeah, imho we should try to change as little as possible, at least in areas where that's feasible
[04:59] <oldmanstan> i mean, obviously there are significant software packages that xubuntu doesn't ship by default that k/ubuntu do, so in those areas we should probably just forget about trying to stay parallel
[05:00] <somerville32> oldmanstan, So why do we need to write our own basic commands now?
[05:00] <somerville32> Can't we mirror what ubuntu has?
[05:00] <somerville32> And is it a full chapter in Ubuntu?
[05:01] <oldmanstan> yeah, when i made that table i basically just copied the old one, but for certain things we can probably specify that the goal for a section is just to keep up with the ubuntu changes (and fix them where they don't work for us)
[05:02] <oldmanstan> it's a full chapter yeah, i was a bit surprised myself when i saw it, amazingly it was also had quite a few bugs, haha, you'd think a bunch of nerds could write a command line guide
[05:05] <somerville32> lol
[05:05] <somerville32> It wouldn't require much hacking to make it an appendix instead
[05:05] <posingaspopular> oldmanstan: the level 400 classes in communication for web design teach HTML and then go into DTD.


[15:58] <Kilos> booooo
[16:03] <Kilos> no  audio in lappy so cant hear alerts when im here guys, in pta at friend after getting meds again. still kicking. hope you all  doing great
[16:13] <chesedo> hi oom Kilos, good to hear.
[16:13] <chesedo> just got back from exam but doing good
[17:36] <superfly> chesedo, Kilos, ping me when the meeting starts
[17:36] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell superfly Np superfly, i understand the timezone issue well with my girls 9 Hours ahead of me. Hope you and the family are well. God bless you all" 1 hour, 38 minutes and 28 seconds ago
[17:45] <chesedo> paddatrapper: are you still ready to chair?
[18:05] <Vince-0> good 'eve
[18:21] <superfly> hi Vince-0
[18:32] <chesedo> oh boy, seems that paddatrapper forgot
[18:32] <chesedo> anyone here for the meeting?
[18:32] <chesedo> other than superfly
[18:34] <superfly> And I'm on the other side of the world!
[18:34] <superfly> Kilos is here, but he said he might not hear us because his audio is not working at the moment.
[18:34] <superfly> hi magespawn
[18:34] <chesedo> superfly: lol you just woke up
[18:34] <superfly> chesedo: negative. it's 11:30
[18:34] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:34] <superfly> I'm actually (supposed to be) working
[18:35]  * chesedo has an exam in the morning so seems that we will skip meeting
[18:35] <chesedo> well, the lazy/snoozy teens just woke up
[18:36]  * chesedo will wait 1min
[18:37] <magespawn> hey superfly, chesedo
[18:37] <chesedo> well, night all || enjoy the work
[19:05] <Vince-0> !
[19:13] <magespawn> so assume no meeting tonight?
[19:39] <magespawn> right, i am out of here, bed time for me, good night all


[00:00] <gnomefreak> ok this is gonna be a long night i think
[00:00]  * gnomefreak puts on helmet and joins -ops
[00:00] <fta> http://hourly-archive.localgho.st/linux.html is the hourly site i'm a<ware of, but not enough archives
[00:10] <[reed]> hmm, I thought I told cf he could increase the archives
[00:10] <[reed]> localgho.st is mine ;)
[00:11] <fta> i remember your name was mentioned but it's no longer there
[00:12] <asac> gnomefreak: troll-alert?
[00:12] <fta> [reed], how do I convert those dates into bonsai dates ? 2008-04-12-04 and 2008-04-13-04
[00:12] <gnomefreak> no a bunch of complaints agains ops
[00:13] <[reed]> fta: 2008-04-12 04:00
[00:14] <fta> oh, the timezone is the same then
[00:14] <[reed]> PST/PDT always
[00:21] <fta> hmmm, not sure. maybe one of mozilla bug<PHONE_NUMBER>88 292789
[00:21] <fta> mozilla bug 428288
[00:21] <fta> mozilla bug 292789
[00:25] <fta> ok, it's the last one
[00:25] <fta> Security Error: Content at http://saiki.cocolog-nifty.com/shoka/2005/08/post_99f6.html may not load or link to chrome://rikaichan/skin/popup-blue.css.
[00:31] <fta> [reed], any magic to work around that ? ^^
[00:32] <[reed]> contentaccessible=yes
[00:32] <[reed]> I believe
[00:37] <fta> hm, where ? in chrome.manifest ?
[00:37] <asac> hmm ... accessing EXT3 from windows? reality or a tale?
[00:37] <asac> bug 220991
[00:38] <fta> http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/
[00:39] <asac> i can't stop being really scared about users doing that to share a thunderbird profile
[00:39] <gnomefreak> its very unsafe but fairly easy to set up im told
[00:40] <fta> ntfs on linux is not better i guess
[00:40] <asac> yeah ... thats a quite bad combination:
[00:40] <asac> easy + unsafe ;)
[00:40] <asac> fta: agreed ... i don't want tbird profiles to be shared at a ll :/
[00:41] <asac> but otoh, i somehow believe more in ntfs support in linux than this thing for windows
[00:42] <fta> a sync tool would be nice.  I never corrupted my spool in ~12/13 years
[00:43] <fta> so, where should i put this contentaccessible=yes ?
[00:47] <fta> ok, found it, works fine
[00:51] <fta> asac, does cvs works for you ?
[00:51] <asac> didnt try ;)
 gnomefreak, could you please try this: make -f /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/firefox-3.0.mk get-orig-source DEBIAN_DATE=20080506t1400
[00:51] <asac> i am on hardy if that matters
[00:51] <asac> running  make -f client.mk checkout
[00:52] <asac> looks good so far
[00:52] <asac> i get a bunch of updates
[00:52] <gnomefreak> is it working?
[00:52] <asac> not yet finished, but so far looks good
[00:52]  * gnomefreak has low memory if i dont say good night it means it locked up and ill be back in morning
[00:52] <asac> actually it feels faster than ever ;)
[00:53] <asac> done ... mozillla tree updated
[00:53] <gnomefreak> here we go
[00:53] <gnomefreak> still writable segment
[00:53] <asac> intrepid issue i guess
[00:53] <asac> maybe rebuild cvs
[00:53] <asac> locally
[00:53] <gnomefreak> an i here
[00:54] <gnomefreak> ah
[00:54] <gnomefreak> slow as shit
[00:55] <fta_> sorry, router crashed
[00:55] <fta_> i stopped at <asac> i am on hardy if that matters
[00:55] <asac> fta: all worked fine for me ... faster than ever i said
[00:56] <asac> and the moz tree update was indeed really quick
[00:56] <asac> snappy
[00:56] <fta_> hm
[00:56] <asac> fta: i asked gnomefreak to rebuild cvs or depends
[00:56] <fta_> so it's an intrepid thing ?...
[00:56] <asac> yes
[01:01] <gnomefreak> asac: can you please post that command that fta did
[01:01] <gnomefreak> i locked up before i could copy it to a file
[01:01]  * gnomefreak testing on Hardy
[01:01] <fta_> make -f /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/firefox-3.0.mk get-orig-source DEBIAN_DATE=20080506t1400
[01:02] <gnomefreak> thanks
[01:02] <gnomefreak> copying to file first
[01:05] <gnomefreak> my fucking show isnt on tonight :( damn elections
[01:06] <fta_> what show ?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> NCIS
[01:07] <gnomefreak> fta_: what version of cvs do you have on intrepid?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> cvs:
[01:07] <gnomefreak>   Installed: 1:1.12.13-9
[01:07] <gnomefreak> on Hardy
[01:07] <fta_> 1:1.12.13-10
[01:08] <gnomefreak> that one ubuntu change messed it up? i doubt its cvs issue
[01:08] <gnomefreak> maybe something in toolchain
[01:08] <fta> i've rebuilt it, same thing
[01:09] <gnomefreak> i guess make would be what cahnged to make it fail on intrepid
[01:09] <gnomefreak> what package since make isnt really a package but a command
[01:10] <gnomefreak> asac: was right this is fast and no lock ups not even really any lag but once
[01:10] <asac> zlib issue?
[01:11] <gnomefreak> not sure
[01:11] <gnomefreak> make is the only thing that would have changed from hardy to intrepid since its ina  package in toolchain
[01:15] <asac> anyway ... off <6h till meeting starts. great
[01:15] <gnomefreak> its done here
[01:15] <asac> night
[01:15] <gnomefreak> night asac
[01:15] <gnomefreak> wtf is platform team
[01:27] <gnomefreak> fta: is sunbird set up for nobinonly from devscripts as well?
[01:27] <fta> hm, i think so
[01:27] <gnomefreak> i didnt see it in the help or --help
[01:28] <fta> it's automagic
[01:28] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:40] <gnomefreak> fta: i saw you updated bzr does that mean your sending to PPA or should i build it
[01:41] <fta> i was planning to sync my ppa today for ebverything but i've stopped because of this cvs bug
[01:41] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:41] <fta> i can quickly do m-d
[01:41] <gnomefreak> if not i will build them in morning its not that big of a deal i just want to see tb3 update
[01:52] <fta> oh, my router didn't crash, it was a firmware update pushed by my isp
[01:54] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:54] <fta> strangely, i got a page in ff3 saying "don't power it down, don't reboot it, wait for it to back in 15min, etc.."
[01:54] <gnomefreak> damn
[01:54] <fta> no idea how it ended up there
[01:54] <gnomefreak> someone needs to fix blam :(
[01:54] <gnomefreak> maybe ill try that one
[02:00] <fta> pushing tb3
[02:01] <gnomefreak> fta: thanks
[02:01] <gnomefreak> im trying to find a way around this email+key+LP
[02:09] <fta> pushing sm2
[02:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:12] <fta> still no ETA for intrepid ppa :(
[02:12] <fta> maybe UDS
[02:12] <gnomefreak> pushing to hardy or just intrepid?
[02:13] <fta> both
[02:13] <gnomefreak> you have ppa for intrepid
[02:13] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:13] <fta> yes but it's not building
[02:16] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:18] <gnomefreak> if i add an email to my key can i than use that email to sign emails like for replying to bugs?
[02:23] <fta> http://www.spicebird.com/
[02:24] <fta> hm, yes, i think so
[02:32] <gnomefreak> fta: why is firefox lang packa nd xulrunner gb fr both not compatiable
[02:32] <gnomefreak> with latest ff3.0 prior to your push
[02:36] <gnomefreak> ah new version od devscripts too
[02:36] <fta> because the lang packs have a maxversion fixed to 3.0b5, and it's 3.0pre
[02:36] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:36] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt hurt anything anyway
[02:37] <fta> it does. some strings are not translated creating xul errors
[02:37] <fta> so you'd better not force those
[02:38] <fta> i don't really care myself, all my computers are in english
[02:41] <fta> too bad those langpacks are bundled with gnome ones, i can't easily push updates to my ppa (to match the apps)
[02:41] <gnomefreak> i have no intention of installing them atm
[02:41] <gnomefreak> fta: i hate the idea of them being bundled tbh
[02:41] <fta> me too
[02:44] <fta> http://www.spicebird.com/demos/spicebird.html
[02:51] <gnomefreak> i like the idea of spicebird sounds like seamonley a little unless they usse official tb braning
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ok that is frigging sweet
[03:01] <gnomefreak> ok time for bed night fta
[03:02] <fta> night
[03:22] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone awake?
[03:23] <Sergeant_Pony> I just sent an email and got an error... could not copy to sent folder, compact folders. I have 20 gig empty on my drive why would I have to do that?
[07:39] <victory747> asac, I tested your -proposed languague-pack
[07:39] <victory747> asac, language-pack-gnome-zh and it works fine as far as I can tell
[07:44] <asac> victory747: great. please comment on bug
[07:44] <asac> victory747: its bug 222673
[07:51] <victory747> asac, btw, what time zone are you in?
[07:52] <asac> @now Berlin
[07:52] <asac> victory747: ^^
[07:53] <victory747> ok - I had tested it this morning but was waiting until i thought you were up
[07:53] <asac> yeah. usually i am not up yet, but i had to attend the platform team meeting (see the time line above)
[07:54] <asac> i hope the time is still bearable for you now ;)
[07:55] <victory747> it's only 3PM - still at work :)
[07:56] <victory747> asac, ok, commented on your bug
[08:08] <asac> ok, IO bustage fix is now in hardy-updates
[08:08] <asac> bug 215728
[12:18] <gnomefreak> what the hell is the command to add emails to gpg keys? i tried gpg --edit-key <keyID>, i tried without <keyID> i also tried gpg adduid
[12:18] <gnomefreak> from man page the gog --edit-key <keyID> should havedone it
[12:19] <gnomefreak> also just tried with email instead of keyID still doesnt work
[12:19]  * gnomefreak wonders if it is intrepid breakage
[12:26] <gnomefreak> nvm i forgot adduid is after you get gpg prompt :(
[12:40] <gnomefreak> YES it worked :)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get a minute can you take a look at bug 227689 im thinking it s a feature but you would know a way to change the setting in ubufox as i have never had to do that and cant see anything that would effect it
[12:44] <gnomefreak> also where do i find the ummmm whats it called spelling help for Tbird 2.0.0.x
[12:46] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a question, not a bug
[12:46] <asac> you can make a question out of it
[12:46] <asac> and forget about it
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ill send him to answers.Lp.com
[12:46] <gnomefreak> or mailing list
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ok done now where do i find tbird spelling help dictionary type pack?
[12:55] <asac> spelling help?
[12:55] <asac> i think you want the hunspell dictionary
[12:59] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah thats it ill grab it i wasnt sure if it was packed into l-p-g
[13:01] <gnomefreak> asac: um that cant be good
[13:01] <gnomefreak> it wants to remove tbird-gnome-support along with thunderbird
[13:01] <gnomefreak> wtf is this?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> asac: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/1010451
[13:03] <gnomefreak> it seems its because of hunspell-en-us that causes that
[13:05] <asac> yes, bogus conflicts afaict
[13:06] <gnomefreak> but hunspell works :) thanks
[13:07] <asac> could you test it with thunderbird?
[13:07] <gnomefreak> test what? hunspell?
[13:08] <asac> with tbird yes
[13:08] <gnomefreak> it works i did test it :)
[13:09] <gnomefreak> my biggest fault is separate i spell it seperate and that is what i tested but it told me my last name was spelled wrong
[13:09] <gnomefreak> but i expect that
[13:13] <asac> hehe
[13:20] <asac> gnomefreak: didn't myspell-en-us work with thunderbird?
[13:21] <gnomefreak> asac: it removes thunderbird
[13:21] <gnomefreak> so i highly doubt it would work with it ;)
[13:21] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/1010451 is the result of trying to install it
[13:22]  * gnomefreak wonders why it has a conflict on most of those packages in the pastebin
[13:22] <gnomefreak> oh myspell
[13:22] <gnomefreak> i didnt try that
[13:23] <gnomefreak> lets see if it installs
[13:23] <gnomefreak> myspell-en-us is already the newest version.
[13:23] <gnomefreak> i will remove hunspell and see
[13:25] <gnomefreak> yes it does work
[13:25] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[13:26] <gnomefreak> i never saw the spell checker in the tool bar
[13:55] <fta> ff3 now asks to accept the EULA license at startup
[13:55] <gnomefreak> it does?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> fta: i didnt see that in any of them
[13:56] <fta> yep, the new one i've pushed yesterday
[13:56] <gnomefreak> fta: no it doesnt maybe from fresh install?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> but upgrade didnt ask me that it just failed to find those 2 lang packs
[13:57] <fta> nope, i've upgraded my laptop, and bam, a new ui popped up
[13:57] <asac> fta: why? we don't distribute it under that eula
[13:57] <asac> at least thats my understanding
[13:57] <fta> i didn't change anything
[13:57]  * gnomefreak hasnt seen that from point releases
[13:58] <asac> hmm
[13:59] <gnomefreak> i dont think having that is a great idea as people are already and have been since early dev hardy are pissed off that ff3 is in main let alone installed by default. seeing the EULA lic. may provoke that even more :(
[13:59] <fta> it's possible to set a key to have that accepted by default
[13:59] <gnomefreak> sorry ff in main has been since debian went to ice* and we aggred to mozilla terms
[14:00] <fta> but it may be better to not build that
[14:01] <asac> maybe there is a configure switch?
[14:02] <gnomefreak> fta: you said you were getting weird output from gcc-4.3 while building something? someone mentioned 08:53 <       awalton__ > gnomefreak, -Wno-strict-aliasing was broken in gcc-4.3
[14:02] <gnomefreak> was that the issue?
[14:02] <fta> nope
[14:03] <asac> i think setting browser.EULA.override should be ok
[14:04] <fta> there's no knob in configure
[14:04] <asac> in our pref
[14:04] <asac> yes, that pref is the knob from what i see
[14:05] <fta> yep, i know, i've read the code yesterday when i've seen the commit
[14:05] <asac> we should punch a ubuntu.js into /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5/defaults/preferences/ and ship that in debian/
[14:06] <gnomefreak> could that be because you have ubufox installed? since im hearing its not installed with ff but a recommends/suggestions
[14:06] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[14:06] <asac> unrelated
[14:06] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[14:07] <gnomefreak> its 0900 EST and im already thinking about jack and coke
[14:11] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/eula.png
[14:11] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/eula2.png
[14:12] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/eula3.png
[14:14] <asac> gnomefreak: what is jack?
[14:14] <asac> fta: you have a screen for the new cert exception page?
[14:16] <fta> the ui or the page ?
[14:17] <gnomefreak> asac: jack daniels its bourbon/whiskey
[14:17] <fta> at 9am ?
[14:17] <gnomefreak> but i have jim beam(same as jack daniels for most part) and pepsi
[14:17] <fta> waoo
[14:17] <gnomefreak> fta: i will only have 1 glass
[14:18] <asac> gnomefreak: think about your health :/
[14:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i do thats why i havent drank in 2 years
[14:18] <asac> good time to start now?
[14:18] <asac> cheers ;)
[14:18] <gnomefreak> i used to have 2 a night after work to unwind but had to stop per doctor
[14:20] <gnomefreak> asac: eh maybe not best time but i figure one wont kill me. doctors in usa say 1 glass of wine/beer/whiskey is healthy to prevent heat problems
[14:21] <gnomefreak> not sure where else they say that but they always change things every year one year its good next its very bad than its good again :(
[14:22] <gnomefreak> same goes for eggs, coffee, and a bunch of others
[14:25] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/bad_cert.png
[14:26] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/bad_cert2.png
[14:35] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10730/
[14:40] <gnomefreak> that looks normal to me
[14:41] <fta> ?
[14:41] <gnomefreak> the cert invlaid
[14:41] <fta> yes
[14:41] <fta> only the icon changed recently
[14:42] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:43] <gnomefreak> isnt that what people have been complaining about in one of the bugs ive seeen atleast
[14:45] <asac> fta: ok if i post them to a -devel-discuss thread?
[14:45] <asac> (formally asking)
[14:46] <fta> it's volatile, no guaranty it remains there for long.
[14:46] <asac> i copied it :)
[14:47] <fta> ok then
[14:49] <fta> asac, you may refer to this: http://www.dria.org/wordpress/archives/2008/05/06/635/
[15:09] <gnomefreak> asac: was bug 67667 fixed? im going through bookmarks fro 2 exports and making one file out of them and some old bugs im running into
[15:36] <gnomefreak> asac: myspell-en-us doesnt seem to work right the more i use it i missspelled conveince the option it gives is convince the correct spelling is convenience. is there a way to train myspell or hunspell for that matter?
[15:36] <gnomefreak> im gonna chek with hunspell installed with myspell-en-us
[15:53] <gnomefreak> asac: ok it works great with hunspell isntalled with myspell-en-us so maybe we can use hunspell or hunspell-en-us as default and get rid of myspell since hunspell is smarter/has more definitions?
[15:56] <asac> gnomefreak: we should look into it for intrepid. sure
[15:56] <asac> actually i always thought that hunspell is default already
[15:56] <asac> but most likely that was  in debian and so i forgot ;)
[15:57] <gnomefreak> i thought we did that for gutsy
[15:57] <gnomefreak> i can swear we did but for some reason myspell-en-us is installed with tbird since i never installed it
[16:01] <fta> gnomefreak, apt-cache rdepends myspell-en-us
[16:02] <fta> going out for some fresh air, i'll try to make a preview of songbird later today, if in can figure out that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10730/
[16:05] <gnomefreak> for tbird 1.5 we used depends on hunspell or beta 2.0 but we changed them i remember because we had an issue with hunspell versioning with debian or something like that
[16:06] <gnomefreak> fta: find out if it happens in hardy as well but it shouldnt since bzr versioning is same in hardy intrepid
[16:06] <gnomefreak> !info bzr-builddeb hardy
[16:07] <gnomefreak> yep same
[16:27] <asac> fta: most likely due to change gcc defaults
[16:28] <asac> fta: there were a bunch of defaults added (maybe only planned) ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags
[16:29] <asac> fta: if you find the intruder, bug keescook in -devel about it
[16:29] <asac> i suspect:
[16:29] <asac> -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
[16:29] <asac> First enabled in Ubuntu 8.10. Provides compile-time best-practices errors for certain libc functions, and provides run-time checks of buffer lengths and memory regions. Only activated when compiled with -O2 or higher. Most problems are related to common unsafe uses of certain libc functions.
[16:29] <asac> fta: ^^
[16:29] <Leftmost> I apologize if this is the wrong place for this, but is it possible to get Java 1.4 and xulrunner-1.9 to get along without breaking the software index? I have yet to have a crash problem and I absolutely need Java 1.4 and don't want to have an old, possibly insecure version of xulrunner installed.
[16:29] <asac> fta: you could also try to build with -Os
[16:30] <asac> not -O2 ... which is known to be better on decent archs
[16:30] <asac> Leftmost: java 1.4 is not buildable anymore. so i am sorry, but 1.4 is not available anymore
[16:30] <asac> you could try the latest from sun
[16:31] <asac> that might still work with xulrunner-1.9
[16:31] <asac> bug #205388
[16:31] <Leftmost> asac, I can install 1.4 just fine on my own. When I do so, however, Update Manager goes haywire and everything starts complaining about a broken package.
[16:32] <asac> Leftmost: you should uninstall the package
[16:32] <asac> whatever 1.4 package you had installed
[16:32] <Leftmost> I can't. I absolutely need it for work.
[16:33] <asac> Leftmost: uninstall the package + install java 1.4 from sun ... thats the only advise i can give you
[16:37] <Leftmost> I'm using a package built with java-package from the Sun package. Apparently this builds the package to provide j2re1.4. Is there no better way to manage the package conflict? I apologize if I'm beating a dead horse but I'd prefer not to have unmanaged packages floating around.
[16:38] <asac> Leftmost: java-package? does that still exist
[16:38] <asac> let me check
[16:40] <asac> ok
[16:42] <gnomefreak> we dropped 1.4 from repos
[16:42] <gnomefreak> afair
[16:42]  * gnomefreak thinks asac acked that one too
[16:43] <asac> yes the blackdown package
[16:43] <asac> Leftmost: can you paste apt-cache show PKGNAME of your produced package please
[16:43] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[16:47] <Leftmost> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10761/
[16:49] <asac> Leftmost: ok i can fix the java-package. but i have to go now, so it has to wait till tomorrow - or maybe in a few hours
[16:50] <Leftmost> asac, alright. Thank you for your help. Let me know if I can do anything.
[16:52] <asac> Leftmost: yeah ... stay in this channel ;) ill come back
[16:52] <Leftmost> Heheh. I'm here for another seven hours. No need to worry on that count.:)
[17:26] <fta> back
[17:27] <fta> asac, the thing is, i've already fixed 2 crashes in realpath.
[17:27] <fta> the code looks like:
[17:27] <fta> char exePath[MAXPATHLEN];
[17:27] <fta> realpath(argv0, exePath);
[17:27] <fta> MAXPATHLEN = 1024
[17:28] <fta> strlen(argv0) ~ 130
[17:28] <fta> yet, doing this fixed it:
[17:28] <fta> -  char exePath[MAXPATHLEN];
[17:28] <fta> +  char exePath[MAXPATHLEN * 10];
[17:42] <fta> mozilla bug 432492
[17:59] <fta> gnomefreak, found the cvs bug
[17:59] <fta> this was yesterday: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10623/
[18:00] <fta> this is noww ith a patched cvs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10777/
[18:01] <fta> [reed], cvs has a corrupted file in mozilla/browser/themes/gnomestripe/browser/places/
[18:03] <campd> I don't suppose anybody happens to have a stack trace of the crash 432492 caused?
[18:04] <fta> bug 432492
[18:04] <campd> mozilla bug 432492
[18:05] <fta> i don't, sorry
[18:05] <campd> k
[18:41] <cdecarlo_> hello?
[18:45] <gnomefreak> fta: where was it?
[18:45] <gnomefreak> ah i see
[18:46] <gnomefreak> read what you wrote about it :)
[18:46] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: you around?
[18:46] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Yep...
[18:46] <gnomefreak> asac: could use you as well
[18:46] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: what lic. are we looking for in extensions?
[18:46] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: i found one i would like to try
[18:47] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Trilicense, mpl, gpl, lgpl, apache 2, bsd, mit are listed on Firefox3Extensions wiki...
[18:47] <gnomefreak> one of them is fine?
[18:48] <gnomefreak> or some combo?
[18:48] <Jazzva> One of them is just fine :)
[18:48] <gnomefreak> should be easy enough :)
[18:48] <Jazzva> Go for it ;)
[18:48] <gnomefreak> i hope this is easier than i think
[18:48] <Jazzva> And please add the extension info to the wiki page, if you already didn't ;)
[18:49] <gnomefreak> i will once i figure out what im doing :)
[18:50] <gnomefreak> i lost the frigging link and cant remember name of it damn
[18:50] <asac> fta: there?
[18:50] <asac> fta: i summoned you in #developers
[18:51] <gnomefreak> asac: are we carrying ff2 in intrepid seeing as i dont think intrepid will be released before EOS for ff2
[18:51] <asac> gnomefreak: for now we can keep it ... we will probably remove it before we release
[18:52] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[18:59] <gnomefreak> unstable extensions are ok or no?
[19:01] <asac> gnomefreak: what are unstable extensions?
[19:02] <gnomefreak> asac: firegpg isnt stable yet
[19:02] <gnomefreak> http://getfiregpg.org/?page=install&lang=en
[19:02] <gnomefreak> i have xpi im about to unpack and make sure it fits everything
[19:02] <asac> if its useful and doesn't crash browser right away its ok for ubuntu
[19:03] <fta> asac, i don't have time right now. in a nutshell, prism build system requires full xul sources, so our sdk doesn't work. i've clone (extracted and patched) the build system from xul so sources are no longer needed and our sdk works
[19:03] <asac> we have some time to stabilize it if we package it early
[19:03] <gnomefreak> asac: ok ill start on it and see if i can do this
[19:03] <asac> fta: ok thanks ... ill forward that to plasticmillion ... and tell him to sync up with you in case he wants this
[19:04] <gnomefreak> thats strange they took a .xpi.gz and packed it inside the .xpi :(
[19:05] <gnomefreak> i lied they took .xpi packed it into a .xpi.gz and packed that into a .xpi
[19:09] <gnomefreak> that was my fault i unpacked it and repacked it :(
[19:12] <asac> gnomefreak: hehe :)
[19:12] <asac> you should unpack the .xpi before creating an upstream branch
[19:12] <asac> e.g. create upstream branch from unpacked xpi + unpack chrome .jar files
[19:12] <asac> then start packaging from there
[19:12] <gnomefreak> well it has everything so far i can tell
[19:12] <asac> like outlined in wiki
[19:13] <gnomefreak> i want to package it into a .deb or .xpi
[19:13] <asac> the idea is not to add a .xpi or .jar file to bzr ... only in extracted/source form
[19:13] <asac> gnomefreak: you want to package the upstream .xpi (unless they release sources) to produce the sources (orig.tar.gz) required to build our package (.deb)
[19:14] <gnomefreak> they have a source package
[19:14] <gnomefreak> this is gonna be a bitch :)
[19:14] <asac> gnomefreak: they have?
[19:14] <asac> then import that as a .upstream branch
[19:14] <gnomefreak> yes but i havent grabbed it
[19:14] <asac> and use the Packaging guide for firefox3extensions
[19:14] <gnomefreak> asac: i have to make a debian dir than
[19:14] <gnomefreak> im reading it
[19:15] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... first create .upstream branch ... then create a .ubuntu branch from that ... and create debian/ dir in there
[19:15] <asac> use the debian/ dir from XPI.TEMPLATE as a template
[19:15] <gnomefreak> ok
[19:15] <asac> if there are unclear points in the wiki let me know
[19:15] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[19:15] <gnomefreak> i hope svn works on intrepid
[19:15] <asac> there are surely points that could be written more failsafe :)
[19:16] <asac> gnomefreak: you can also use bzr-svn :)
[19:16] <asac> gnomefreak: if they have an svn repo you could set up a project in launchpad and request an auto sync :)
[19:16] <gnomefreak> asac: how?
[19:16] <gnomefreak> auto sync sounds good
[19:16] <asac> gnomefreak: setup project -> create release series -> select svn as auto import branch
[19:16] <cwillu> is libflashsupport still known to be broken?
[19:16] <asac> cwillu: yes.
[19:16] <gnomefreak> cwillu: yes
[19:17] <asac> cwillu: unless you are on amd64 i wouldn't suggest to use it
[19:17] <cwillu> I'm being told that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio -> KnownIssues has a fix, there's a third party site with a modified libflashsupport that works or something
[19:17]  * asac looking
[19:18] <asac> cwillu: i think that 3rd party link is outdated
[19:18] <asac> probably superseeded by the comment before that "package available in hardy"
[19:18] <cwillu> which is what I thought
[19:18] <gnomefreak> register project or do it from bzr branch?
[19:19] <asac> gnomefreak: if you want an auto sync you need a project first: "firegpg" ... then you have to create a release series "e.g. trunk" and there you can ask for auto sync
[19:19] <asac> you will find it ;)
[19:20] <asac> otherwise ask on #launchpad ... i don't have the exact steps at hand
[19:20] <asac> gnomefreak: if possible set mozillateam as driver for that project
[19:20] <asac> thanks
[19:20] <Intangir> whats the deal with libflashsupport now?
[19:20] <asac> Intangir: it will crash your flash ... if you are not using amd64 this means that it will crash firefox
[19:21] <gnomefreak> oh yeah asac can we remove swfdec please?
[19:21] <asac> why?
[19:21] <asac> it works ... at least not considerably less than gnash
[19:21] <Intangir> how often does it usually crash
[19:21] <gnomefreak> its broken and no need for it any longer
[19:21] <Intangir> ive had it mostly work for me
[19:22] <gnomefreak> i ran into a bunch of bugs last week that was the cause but they were under flash or firefox*
[19:22] <gnomefreak> i cant remember
[19:23] <gnomefreak> right now as i remember that is causing flash not to work you have to remove it for flash to work
[19:23] <cwillu> Intangir, afaik, it'll only trigger when the flash loads, once a given flash applet is open it'll usually work fine
[19:23] <gnomefreak> not crashing just not working
[19:23] <Intangir> cwillu: so once you get it started succesfully its good
[19:23] <Intangir> ya that seems to be consistent with what ive seen
[19:24] <cwillu> Intangir, no, because when you go to a new page, it'll be a new applet, and potentially crash again
[19:24] <Intangir> the only crash ive had with it so far was when loading www.worldofwarcraft.com, which has flash (but i dont think it has any sound..)
[19:24] <Intangir> so what happens if you use that amd64 wrapper thing, if it crashes does the flash just not load?
[19:24] <Intangir> can you refresh to get it to load?
[19:24] <gnomefreak> brb smoke while i wait for #LP
[19:36] <gnomefreak> on the extension page repo colum means adding them to our repos?
[20:07] <gnomefreak> yay i got the extension page done finally
[20:10] <[reed]> fta: corrupted file?
[20:18] <gnomefreak> [reed]: i think our cvs package is where that is
[20:18] <[reed]> ah
[20:19] <gnomefreak> we couldnt use cvs to get 3.0 nightly on intrepid but hardy was fine
[20:19] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10777/
[20:19] <fta> [reed], ^^
[20:19] <fta> it makes cvs in intrepid crash badly
[20:19] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10623/
[20:23] <gnomefreak> docs suck for bzr-svn
[20:24] <gnomefreak> fta: command for bzr-svn would be bzr-svn co svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/firegpg/firegpg??
[20:25] <fta> if it's just for co, just use svn directly
[20:26] <fta> you'd better use: bzr branch svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/firegpg/firegpg firegpg
[20:26] <fta> so you obtain a bzr branch at the end
[20:27] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[20:28] <asac> fta: i really think that its intrepid related. have you looked into zlib?
[20:28] <asac> maybe its one of the protection flags that causes this?
[20:29] <fta> i've fixed it by exporting CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE
[20:29] <fta> yet, cvs complains about a bad date
[20:30] <gnomefreak> what no how to on making prefferences?
[20:30] <gnomefreak> oh wait i do that inside the .js file
[20:31] <fta> http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/
[20:37] <fta> a future firefox kde friendly...
[20:38] <gnomefreak> asac: should i be registering a project like any other one we would?
[20:39] <fta> http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat
[20:39] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/torbutton/ doesnt have a summary or anything else it asks for
[20:40] <asac> gnomefreak: yes.
[20:40] <gnomefreak> k
[20:40] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe use extensions-dev team as bug contact (not mozilla-bugs)
[20:40] <gnomefreak> yeah
[20:51] <gnomefreak> i hate this shit
[20:52] <gnomefreak> LP is lying to me
[20:52] <gnomefreak> how a damn site can lie is new
[20:53]  * gnomefreak smoke while waiting for #LP to answer
[20:59] <Leftmost> asac, would it be helpful if I hacked on the script and filed a bug?
[21:00] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: when registering a extension on LP what do you put for the "Part Of" sectiona nd how do you set up auto sync?
[21:01] <fta> mozilla bug 432275
[21:01] <gnomefreak> do i put the svn site starting with http:// in the download part?
[21:04] <asac> Leftmost: yes, you have to fix all install files in the java-common source package
[21:04] <asac> add /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/ as a new install dir
[21:05] <asac> java-package source package i mean
[21:06] <asac> gnomefreak: you have to add a release series (trunk)
[21:06] <Leftmost> Alright, can do.
[21:06] <asac> gnomefreak: there you can associate an upstream branch
[21:07] <gnomefreak> asac: cant register it so cant do much of anything
[21:07] <asac> cant register?
[21:07] <gnomefreak> no
[21:07] <asac> does it exist yet?
[21:07] <asac> firegpg?
[21:07] <gnomefreak> when search no during registering yes looking for bugs no
[21:07] <asac> or what was it called?
[21:08] <gnomefreak> firegpg FireGPG Firegpg noone of these show up
[21:08] <gnomefreak> im reg. under firegpg
[21:08] <asac> ok let me try to register ;)
[21:08] <asac> i use https://edge.launchpad.net/projects/+new
[21:08] <gnomefreak> yes that is where i was
[21:08] <asac> gnomefreak: what license?
[21:09] <asac> well we can set that later.
[21:09] <gnomefreak> gpl 3 gpl2 lgpl2.1
[21:09]  * asac hits submit
[21:09] <gnomefreak> oops
[21:09] <asac> gnomefreak: you choked on "Part Of" ?
[21:09] <asac> that can be left empty
[21:09] <gnomefreak> gpl2 lgpl2.1 and mpl
[21:09] <gnomefreak> asac: i left it empty
[21:10] <asac> firegpg is already used by another project
[21:10] <gnomefreak> thats what i got
[21:10] <gnomefreak> but searching for it gives nothing
[21:10] <asac> br0ken
[21:10] <gnomefreak> see my comments in #LP for exact wording
[21:11]  * gnomefreak was really hoping to get it registered tonight
[21:11] <gnomefreak> so i can file bug and start work tonight tomorrow morning
[21:13] <gnomefreak> i think they all quit work already
[21:13] <asac> unlikely .. there should  be someone in US
[21:14] <gnomefreak> being most are around the world there should be no non work hours as pretty much all timezones are acounted for :)
[21:14] <gnomefreak> its after 4pm here not sure what time quiting time is
[21:16] <gnomefreak> asac: project's is disabled
[21:16] <asac> huh? reason?
[21:16] <asac> who stated that?
[21:16] <gnomefreak> no reason kiko is registering it for me i think
[21:16] <gnomefreak> kiko did
[21:16] <asac> oh
[21:16] <asac> interesting
[21:16] <asac> appears to be official then
[21:16] <gnomefreak> your in there take a peek we wont hurt you :)
[21:17] <asac> i am in? interesting too ;)
[21:17] <gnomefreak> im having m-e-t own it
[21:21] <Leftmost> Hmm. Maybe I shouldn't try this particular one. Looking at the source, it looks like the Provides bit is done in a version-agnostic fashion. Without special-casing, it'll screw things up for non-1.4 releases.
[21:21] <asac> Leftmost: ?
[21:21] <asac> sorry ... don't get what you mean. (haven't looked at none 1.4 install files)
[21:22] <Leftmost> asac, looking at j2re.sh and j2sdk.sh in java-package's lib/ directory, they both have something like Provides: ... j2re${j2se_release}
[21:23] <Leftmost> It doesn't pay attention to version so without checking against $j2se_release and doing some special-casing, it doesn't look like a terribly easy task to prevent java-package from providing j2re1.4.
[21:23] <asac> Leftmost: thats ok. i don't think that you need to modify that ... or what do you see?
[21:23] <asac> thats ok == j2re.sh + j2sdk.sh
[21:24] <Leftmost> asac, it seems like the problem I'm having is related to make-jpkg telling 1.4.2 releases to provide j2re1.4, which then causes apt to treat everything as broken.
[21:24] <asac> what is your exact problem again?
[21:24] <gnomefreak> i think i should push first or add auto sync first
[21:24] <asac> i thought the issue is that xulrunner-1.9 doesn't detect the plugin
[21:24] <gnomefreak> https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[21:24] <asac> Leftmost: whatelse is broken?
[21:24] <asac> gnomefreak: add auto sync
[21:25] <gnomefreak> k
[21:25] <asac> wait till the initial sync is done (might be a day)
[21:25] <asac> then package from there
[21:25] <asac> or create branches for release revisions
[21:26] <Leftmost> No, I don't need a browser plugin. I do, however, need to have the Sun 1.4 release installed for work purposes. Having both the latest xulrunner-1.9 and j2re1.4 installed (the latter provided by the package built by java-package) causes apt to claim the index is broken and provide me a nice broken icon in my notification area.
[21:26] <gnomefreak> asac: https://edge.launchpad.net/firegpg/trunk
[21:26] <asac> hmm
[21:26] <asac> ah.
[21:26] <asac> Leftmost: now we are getting somewhere ;)
[21:26] <asac> sorry for being so dense
[21:26] <Leftmost> No worries. Sorry if I didn't clearly communicate my problem.
[21:27] <asac> yeah ... well we are in mozilla context here, so i probably didn't want to see what you really wanted :)
[21:27] <asac> anyway ... you have to rename the package then, yes.
[21:28] <asac> we cannot drop the conflicts in xulrunner because the other j2re1.4 package was broken
[21:29] <asac> so lib/j2re.sh was probably the right place
[21:29] <asac> Leftmost: how about defining j2se_release as 1.4sun ?
[21:29] <asac> 1.4bin
[21:30] <[reed]> mozilla bug 418016 is getting backed out, asac and fta
[21:30] <gnomefreak> im gonna make m-e-d team security contact as well
[21:30] <[reed]> you all can go back to using your compile option that you had to use :)
[21:30] <[reed]> s/had to use/were using/
[21:30] <asac> thats a good thing ... now jemalloc just has to go completely and we are fine :-P
[21:30] <Leftmost> That could work. Is there somewhere I should ask about that? It'd be nice to see this fixed for others who are doing something similar (I've seen a few others).
[21:31] <asac> [reed]: glandium has a patch that links jemalloc into main binaries. if he hasn't submitted that maybe poke him to do that
[21:31] <[reed]> can you poke him? I don't have any IRC contact with him
[21:31] <asac> [reed]: is that wanted?
[21:32] <asac> i mean that approach. or are you happy as its now?
[21:32] <[reed]> [03:27:11PM] <stuart> we should require the linux vendors link their firefox-bin to jemalloc
[21:32] <asac> Leftmost: if you prepare a fix, i can sponsor it
[21:32] <[reed]> so, yes :)
[21:32] <asac> why does he say "linux vendors"?
[21:33] <[reed]> why? I dunno... he means ubuntu, debian, etc.
[21:33] <[reed]> redhat, etc.
[21:33] <[reed]> talk to him!
[21:33] <[reed]> #developers
[21:33] <[reed]> moznet
[21:33] <Leftmost> asac, I'll see what I can come up with. Thanks for your help.
[21:38] <gnomefreak> bug filed :)
[21:41] <asac> [reed]: ok i asked him to submit
[21:41] <asac> (through mail)
[21:46] <fta> asac, do you know what's going on with archive.u.com ?
[21:47] <asac> fta: not really
[21:47] <asac> feels a bit like overload ;)
[21:47] <fta> oh, you don't have internal tickets
[21:47] <asac> but i have not lurked any information
[21:48] <asac> well, i didn't really investigate
[21:48] <fta> it's worse than the day hardy was released
[21:48] <asac> yeah ... maybe there is hardware failure involved
[21:48] <gnomefreak> fta: the devs were talking about it this morning
[21:48] <asac> or server was upgraded and has now tuning issues
[21:48] <gnomefreak> archive admins/devs
[21:50] <fta> gnomefreak, and ?
[21:51] <gnomefreak> fta: they jsut stated that it was slow if they talked more i wasnt here to see it
[21:51] <fta> ok
[21:51] <gnomefreak> comment == letting you know they knew about i
[21:51] <gnomefreak> it
[21:55] <cwong1> asac: quick question, in java script is there an easy way to get a trace of who the caller of a function?
[21:56] <asac> yes
[21:56] <asac> but i have to remember ;)
[21:57] <cwong1> asac: I tracked down the urlbar problem to addProgressListener in tabbrowser.xml.  It only call once with midbrowser build but in Firefox build, its gets call twice.
[21:57] <JanC> did something change in the xulrunner updates I got today that can make firefox segfault on 64-bit?  (I already removed flash & libflashsupport and some extensions)
[21:58] <cwong1> asac: and in the second call to addProgressListener, it called the enterTabbedMode and urlbar update will happen.
[22:02] <asac> cwong1: Components.stack
[22:02] <asac> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Components.stack
[22:02] <asac> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Components_object#_stack
[22:02] <asac> http://www.mozilla.org/scriptable/javascript-stack-dumper.html
[22:04] <cwong1> asac: ok will give that a try.  If I can figure it why the second addProgressListener not getting call, I should be able to fix the urlbar issue.  One thing though, if I force the enterTabbedMode to be call, it seems to work fine. But I don't think that is the right fix.
[22:06] <asac> cwong1: do you know what progress listener is registering the second time?
[22:06] <asac> or is that what you want to figure?
[22:07] <cwong1> I want to figure it out what progress listener is registering the second time.
[22:08] <cwong1> asac: my guess is there is a progress listener is missing from the midbrowser build.
[22:11] <cwong1> asac: btw, if you have the time to take a quick look at this, I would appreciate it.  :)
[22:13] <fta> hm, i switched mirrors, it's still the same. looks like it's a dns issue. once the resolution is done, it's fast
[22:14] <fta> could be that the DNS server is broken or under a dDoS of some kind
[22:17] <asac> fta: de.archive. is fast
[22:18] <fta> indeed
[22:18] <fta> so it's not dns
[22:20] <asac> cwong1: where did i say is the location update pushed to the widget?
[22:22] <cwong1> asac: onLocationChange in tabbrowser.xml
[22:23] <asac> ok so that is called properly, right?
[22:23] <asac> cwong1: ?
[22:23] <asac> its just that one progress listener is missing there
[22:24] <cwong1> asac: the onLocationChange in tabbrowser.xml will only gets call if the enterTabbedMode has been called
[22:24] <cwong1> and yes only one progress listerner is missing
[22:24] <asac> sorry i think we mix things up here
[22:24] <asac> onLocationChange is only called when it works, right?
[22:24] <asac> thats what you say above
[22:25] <cwong1> yes if the one in tabbrowser.xml is called, things work
[22:28] <cwong1> asac: Looks like it has to do with the reporter.  The second call to addProgressListener is from reporterOverlay.js
[22:29] <cwong1> asac: do we do anything different with reporter between midbrowser and firefox builds?
[22:30] <asac> cwong1: setStripVisibilityTo is that called?
[22:30] <asac> i wonder if that throws an exception
[22:30] <asac> do we have menu_closeWindow and menu_close ?
[22:30] <cwong1> no
[22:31] <asac> sure?
[22:31] <cwong1> and I am not sure if setStripVisibiityTo is getting call
[22:31] <cwong1> yes
[22:31] <asac> cwong1: if we dont have those menu entries, then the first call to addProgresListener will throw an exception
[22:32] <asac> look at addProgressListener method in tabbrowser.xml
[22:32] <cwong1> ok
[22:32] <asac> that would call setStripVisibiityTo on first call
[22:32] <asac> that throws an exception and so everything can go wrong
[22:32] <asac> for instance setStripVisibiityTo calls enterTabbedMode too
[22:33] <cwong1> ok I will debug further
[22:33] <asac> but it might also be something after that call in the addProgressListener implementation that we are missing
[22:33] <asac> so fixing that exception would be required i guess
[22:33] <cwong1> ok
[22:39] <asac> cwong1: add those menu items as hidden to test?
[22:43] <gnomefreak> asac: what is the platform team?
[22:48] <asac> gnomefreak: platform team has multiple meanings it guess. one is the distro-sub-team that cares for the base software that powers all ubuntu's :)
[22:48] <gnomefreak> ah
[22:49] <asac> we also have a desktop team which is focussed mostly on desktop experience
[22:49] <asac> and a qa team ;)
[22:49] <asac> and dont forget the kernel team ;)
[22:54] <gnomefreak> there are a crap load of teams but never heard of platform one before
[22:55] <gnomefreak> sorry we are hainv a censorship talk because of the shit tha happened at meeting
[23:36] <gnomefreak> i didnt get any updates today at all only libxfont1 is trying to upgrade
[23:37] <fta> just got a few
[23:38] <gnomefreak> fta: did you fix cvs for repos or just for you?
[23:39] <gnomefreak> someone noticed that cvs update dont work
[23:39] <fta> just for me, ppa are not open for intrepid and i'm not allowed to upload in main/universe so i'm stuck
[23:40] <gnomefreak> asac can upload to main
[23:40] <fta> and it's a workaround, not a fix
[23:40] <gnomefreak> ah
[23:41] <gnomefreak> asac: are you gonna fix blam at all or should i look into it for personal use?
[23:41] <asac> gnomefreak: is blam broken?
[23:41] <gnomefreak> yes
[23:41] <asac> since when?
[23:42] <gnomefreak> the bottom pane if you dont have a topic the bottom pane is see through
[23:42] <gnomefreak> i noticed it the other day
[23:42] <asac> ah ok
[23:43] <gnomefreak> like where the tbird homepage is that pane is see through showing desktop while not being on a topic
[23:43] <gnomefreak> maybe add the blam homepage or something like that is what i was thinking
[23:43] <asac> does upstream have a bugtracker
[23:44] <asac> imo we should try to forward such thins upstream to not suck up our scarce resources :)
[23:44] <asac> some upstreams are really responsive ... so its at least worth a try
[23:44] <gnomefreak> asac: i will look. are we adding that to repos or is it staying in PPA?
[23:45] <asac> he? blam? isnt that in the archive?
[23:45] <gnomefreak> yes i just noticed
[23:45] <asac> k
[23:46] <gnomefreak> in hardy it was your PPA i think that had the issue
[23:46] <gnomefreak> yep its broke in archives
[23:47] <gnomefreak> son of a bitch
[23:47] <gnomefreak> it just left
[23:48] <gnomefreak> i think xulrunner
[23:48] <gnomefreak> :(
[23:48] <gnomefreak> ill file local bug on this with stacktrace that it gives me from term.
[23:53] <asac> ok off for today
[23:53] <asac> cu tomorrow
[23:53] <gnomefreak> there is no project for blam
[23:54] <JanC> if you mean blam in ubuntu, then project = ubuntu
[23:54] <gnomefreak> trying it
[23:55] <JanC> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blam
[23:55] <gnomefreak> i found it thanks JanC
[23:56] <gnomefreak> it looks like xulrunner and other people say same thing from what i can tell
[23:56] <gnomefreak> bug 94493
[23:56] <gnomefreak> blam.exe?
[23:57] <JanC> it's Mono code  ;)
[23:57] <JanC> but I wish I found the reason why firefox crashes since the xulrunner upgrade today
[23:58] <gnomefreak> JanC: it does?
[23:58] <gnomefreak> i havent seen a ff crash im not in hardy atm either
[23:58] <JanC> at least on my system (which is 64-bits) -- seems like installing _any_ extension triggers this  :-(
[23:58] <gnomefreak> JanC: try with a new profile


[08:24] <mup> Bug #2030781 changed: after upgrading to Jammy and maas 3.3.4 rackd is failing with the following stacktrace <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2030781>
[08:39] <mup> Bug #1912555 changed: Unflattering machine name <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912555>
[08:39] <mup> Bug #1913324 changed: MAAS offline docs 404 page overly complex <MAAS documentation:Triaged by billwear> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1913324>
[08:39] <mup> Bug #1915937 changed: Restore documentation for snaps <MAAS documentation:Triaged by billwear> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1915937>
[08:51] <mup> Bug #1912555 opened: Unflattering machine name <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912555>
[08:51] <mup> Bug #1913324 opened: MAAS offline docs 404 page overly complex <MAAS documentation:Triaged by billwear> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1913324>
[08:51] <mup> Bug #1915937 opened: Restore documentation for snaps <MAAS documentation:Triaged by billwear> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1915937>
[08:54] <mup> Bug #1912555 changed: Unflattering machine name <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912555>
[08:54] <mup> Bug #1913324 changed: MAAS offline docs 404 page overly complex <MAAS documentation:Triaged by billwear> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1913324>
[08:54] <mup> Bug #1915937 changed: Restore documentation for snaps <MAAS documentation:Triaged by billwear> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1915937>
[09:09] <mup> Bug #1921426 changed: MAAS does not set LXD proxy <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1921426>
[09:09] <mup> Bug #1923329 changed: APPEND hd0 in config.local.amd64.template for legacy boot in not valid  <legacyboot> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1923329>
[13:03] <mup> Bug #2032949 opened: Rack keeps opening idle RPC connections over the limits <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 3.3:New> <MAAS 3.4:New> <MAAS 3.5:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2032949>
[20:19] <mup> Bug #2032983 opened: "Refresh host" on LXD KVM host does not pick up on storage size changes <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2032983>


[03:23] <Ahmuck> i'd like to add "xinput set-prop DEVICEID "Device Enabled" 0" to the autostart file.
[03:24] <tsimonq2> Ahmuck: this happens on login or when you open a terminal?
[03:24] <tsimonq2> there's config files for both
[03:24] <tsimonq2> I'm not sure what that does
[03:24] <Ahmuck> upon login.  specifically i'm trying to disable the touchpad and enable the numpad
[03:25] <Ahmuck> i can disable the touchpad upon login, but have to do it everytime.  i'd like to disable the touchpad for my mum
[03:27] <tsimonq2> Ahmuck: add that line on .profile, log out and log in again
[03:27] <tsimonq2> then tell me the result
[05:43] <aiena> in lubuntu my PHP app running on localhost cannot connect to a mailserver on port 465 is there some firewall rule or something blocking it ? I am using a fresh install of lubuntu on a VM with only apache amd php installed
[08:13] <satpal> how do i check what version of ubuntu i'm using?
[08:13] <Unit193> lsb_release -a will do.
[08:15] <satpal> no graphical way to do it?
[08:16]  * tsimonq2 doesn't remember one
[08:16] <tsimonq2> satpal: just pop open a terminal and copy/paste :)
[08:17] <satpal> Can i upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to ubuntu 16.04 Lts directly?
[08:17] <tsimonq2> satpal: #ubuntu for help on Ubuntu, #lubuntu for help on Lubuntu
[08:18] <tsimonq2> satpal: are you talking about Lubuntu? if not, please join #ubuntu
[08:18] <satpal> yes lubuntu please
[08:18] <satpal> after all, it's ubuntu inside
[08:19] <tsimonq2> of course :)
[08:19] <tsimonq2> and yes, you should be able to
[08:20] <tsimonq2> again, I'm a terminal guy, so to upgrade via the terminal, run sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:20] <tsimonq2> graphically, I'm not 100% sure
[08:20] <satpal> thanks a lot. i will go for the terminal
[08:21] <Unit193> 'upgrade-manager'
[08:21] <tsimonq2> or that too ^
[08:21] <tsimonq2> thanks Unit193
[08:21] <Unit193> s/upgrade/update/
[13:42] <Pandora0> if I want to install libre office on my system what should I do?
[13:46] <elementaru> install it?
[14:56] <tsimonq2> Pandora0: open a terminal, sudo apt install libreoffice
[16:25] <guest__> Hi guys, am I able to use this IRC for support questions?
[17:07] <albanleb> hello all
[17:07] <albanleb> please how to activate bluetooth on lubuntu,
[17:07] <albanleb> ¿
[21:27] <Capum321> i am trying to schedule a sleep after idle, with rtcwake, so it wakes after some time with this bash script https://paste.linux.community/view/b4ff90d8   what I do now to make it work automatically?
[21:37] <Capum321> hello?
[21:37] <Capum321> everybody at the bar
[22:16] <lynorian> Capum321, doesn't xfce power manager provide the sleep function already if you right click on it ?
[22:16] <Capum321> it should wake unattended
[22:17] <lynorian> ahh that is the part xscreensaver does not do
[22:17] <Capum321> yes
[22:17] <lynorian> or xfce power manager
[22:17] <Capum321> thats where I wish we had a task scheduler like windows do
[22:17] <lynorian> Capum321, have you heard about cron
[22:18] <Capum321> yes but haven't tested with it
[22:18] <Capum321> what is it capable of?
[22:22] <lynorian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[22:28] <Capum321> nice... but I think the best way it if would capture the idle user time
[22:30] <Capum321> first i thought it should run in sequence, when I start the bash, until I back to computer and stop the process, but that now seems non sense.. idle is much better, no?
[22:31] <Capum321> lynorian: i couldn't schedule this, could be any time!?
[22:31] <Capum321> i mean, it could be any time!
[22:32] <Capum321> no?
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Capum321: yes it could
[23:08] <Capum321> it doesn't look like that.. if i set to sleep at 10:00 am and wake at 15:00; 16:00 to 21:00. If I break the process at 12:00 it would sleep in the next schedule at 16:00. Is that how it works?
[23:22]  * tsimonq2 thinks so
[23:36] <Capum321> can live with that
[23:36] <Capum321> could I have multiple crontab tasks ?
[23:38] <tsimonq2> yes you can
[23:54] <Capum321> how would it run a command after wake?


[14:06] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +14925 cases (now 1.2 million), +258 deaths (now 19779) since a day ago


[15:00] <Odd_Bloke> So I've installed juju-quickstart and juju-core from the juju/stable PPA; how do I go about deploying a bundle from the command line?
[15:01] <Odd_Bloke> "juju bundle get" gives me "unrecognized arguments: --bundle"
[15:49] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke: juju quickstart bundle:mongodb/5/cluster
[15:49] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke: for instance
[15:49] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke: you can get the names/strings from jujucharms.com like https://jujucharms.com/bundle/mongodb/5/cluster/
[15:49] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke: if you have a file locally you can specify it as well
[15:50] <rick_h_> juju quickstart bundles.yaml
[15:50] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke: or point to one online at a url
[15:50] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke: https://jujucharms.com/bundle/mongodb/5/cluster/#deploy for instance goes through the two tools (quickstart and the deployer)
[15:50] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke: and any bundle you find there should have copy/paste instructions
[15:55] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke: I'm in/out as it's sunday but let me know if that helps or you hit any issues getting it working.
[23:15] <lazyPower> hazmat: digital ocean isn't making this easy - the provisioner on their side is being pokey today and it keeps timing out when i'm trying to record the bootstrap :(
[23:15] <lazyPower> is there a way for me to crank up the timeout wait for the juju-docean plugin to wait longer than the default 5 minutes? it's taking close to 8 to get an instance back
[23:24] <lazyPower> nvm haxed the source and cranked up the loop count


[00:23] <cnd> bryceh, are you able to reproduce bug #780961?
[00:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 780961 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Precise) (and 3 other projects) "Xorg crash in PlayReleasedEvents with Sawfish when using keyboard-based window management (affects: 13) (dups: 2) (heat: 78)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780961
[00:23] <cnd> or have you tried?
[00:29] <cnd> hmm, I can't get sawfish to come up
[00:30] <cnd> at least not on a guest session
[00:30] <bryceh> cnd, no
[00:32] <bryceh> cnd, I'll try to set up something to reproduce it, but for now just wanted to see if you could spot anything obvious just from the report, or if you had suggestions of further analysis that could be done
[00:33] <cnd> my thoughts are to figure out how to reproduce it :)
[00:33] <cnd> that may mean running sawfish, opening a terminal, and playing back a device recording
[00:33] <cnd> but I can't even get sawfish to run
[00:33] <cnd> at least, I don't think it's running
[00:33] <cnd> maybe sawfish is one of those environments where there's nothing on screen by default?
[00:38] <bryceh> cnd, yeah it's pretty minimal.  maybe try on console DISPLAY=:0 xterm ?
[00:39] <cnd> yeah, got an xterm up with decorations
[00:42] <cnd> ok, I can switch between workspaces with super-L/R
[00:42] <cnd> but no crash
[00:45] <bryceh> trying it here...
[00:46] <cnd> I can't seem to figure out how to get the keybinding for moving windows with C-Left and C-Right to work
[00:46] <cnd> it just sits there...
[00:48] <bryceh> yeah, wiggling windows here isn't crashing either
[00:49] <bryceh> http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Run-application
[00:49] <bryceh> ~/.sawfishrc
[00:51] <cnd> I think the next step is to create test packages with more debug output
[00:51] <cnd> check when enqueueing events that the device is set (since it appears to be qe->device == NULL)
[00:52] <cnd>  a core dump might not be a bad idea either
[00:53] <cnd> it could tell us if there's memory corruption
[00:56] <bryceh> ah good idea
[00:58] <cnd> oh man, I just read on the X/Backtracing wiki page that -dumbSched fixes that annoying scheduler issue!
[01:01] <bryceh> :-)
[01:13] <cnd> I just throw in the towel when that happens and reattach with gdb
[01:13] <cnd> losing all my state...
[01:13] <cnd> bryceh, I'm building a test server
[01:42] <Sarvatt> bryceh: how do you add a package to ubuntu-x-swat bug mail and your versions-current? would like to get https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-mtrack on there
[01:44] <Sarvatt> is the package list defined in an arsenal script? i seem to remember it scraping that info from launchpad instead
[01:45] <Sarvatt> oo armhf builds started showing up
[01:48] <bryceh> Sarvatt, nope, just subscribe the ubuntu-x-swat to the package
[01:49] <bryceh> er, the ubuntu-x-swat *team* to the package
[01:49] <Sarvatt> ah cool, thanks
[01:50] <Sarvatt> whoops, can't do it, not admin
[01:51] <bryceh> ok, I've done it
[01:51] <bryceh> now, to fix the admin thing...
[01:51] <Sarvatt> hmm nice, never seen the subscribe a team dialog thing before
[01:51] <Sarvatt> you can filter it or make it so you don't get comments
[01:52] <bryceh> yep, the LP guys have done a lot for subscription management configurability
[01:52] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ok you're admin now
[01:54] <Sarvatt> bryceh: thanks for the help! I use that driver a ton and am interested in tracking/fixing it up when needed
[01:54] <bryceh> sounds good
[01:55] <bryceh> btw, if you see packages on the versions-current page that you know we no longer care of, you can drop the ubuntu-x-swat package subscription and that should get it off the list
[01:56]  * Sarvatt nods
[01:56] <Sarvatt> hasn't been up for awhile though
[01:57] <Sarvatt> playing with your server? :P
[02:00] <bryceh> it hasn't?
[02:00] <bryceh> hmm, you're right
[02:00] <bryceh> and yes, I have been fiddling with things recently, but this shouldn't have broken
[02:08] <bryceh> ok, think it's running properly now, hopefully new page should be up within the hour
[02:13] <bryceh> even sooner
[02:13] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/versions-current.html
[02:13] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ^^
[02:14] <bryceh> and it shows xf86-input-mtrack, 0.2.0-2 :-)
[02:16] <bryceh> I've jacked up it's refresh to every 20 minutes instead of every 4 hours
[03:34] <broder> out of curiosity, /usr/share/doc/xorg/howto/configure-input.html says that i can trigger a change event on --subsystem-match=input to get X to pick up changes in /etc/default/keyboard
[03:34] <broder> that doesn't seem to be working for me at the moment, but i'm wondering if that could be because i had previously changed my keyboard layout with the capplet
[03:34] <broder> (i see X noticing the events in the Xorg.log, including the new layout settings)
[03:44] <RAOF> I'd expect the GNOME keyboard configuration to override whatever X sets up.
[03:44] <broder> that makes sense
[14:48] <FernandoMiguel> good afternoon
[18:08] <ashams> Hi, can someone take a look at this report: https://launchpad.net/bugs/873482
[18:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873482 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "elantech: Touchpad always reports 3 finger tap as 1 finger tap (affects: 17) (heat: 94)" [Medium,Confirmed]


[00:50] <Unit193> Waaaaaait.  I made a typo in the package name and nobody told me? :(
[00:50] <Unit193> Bahaha. :D
[01:44] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh boy!
[11:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: live: explicitely seed grub-pc @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=10c5050252c7546ae11deee0c56e513feb23c406 (by Dimitri John Ledkov)
[11:03] <bluesabre> Oh, that might fix our inability to install Xubuntu
[15:32] <smkellat> bluesabre: My Dell test rig died Wednesday.  I can do live tests but not installs to my Lenovo laptop.
[15:34] <smkellat> If I wasn’t getting client inquiries that required me to have a semi-stable machine then I would charge ahead on install tests.  Business is picking up strangely.
[15:45] <franksmcb> @bluesabre 19.1 release is now working with legacy boot.
[15:46] <bluesabre> smkellat: thanks for letting me know
[15:47] <bluesabre> franksmcb: that’s great news, thanks for the heads up!


[06:44] <darkxst> ricotz, I pushed a build of firefox 46 with the 3.20 patches fedora a shipping, just on ppa:darkxst/gtk320 but will copy it across to staging if its good
[06:45] <darkxst> atleast it has scrollbars now
[06:57] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, I see, would be good to have a patch-header which specifies where this patch is actually coming from
[06:57] <ricotz> I believe from here http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/firefox.git/tree/firefox-gtk3-20.patch
[06:58] <darkxst> yes its that one
[07:00] <darkxst> which is turn from here I believe (not sure if they have made any other modifications though) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234158
[07:00] <darkxst> I will add patch headers, when my internet starts behaving again
[07:01] <ricotz> darkxst, the patch in the bug is more recent since it targets trunk, likely won't work with 46
[07:02] <darkxst> the patches in the mozilla bug are being updated to support both old+new gtk, the fedora patch just seem to have the earlier patches from that bug
[07:13] <darkxst> that only supported 3.20
[07:14] <ricotz> I believe it still isnt a weak dependency
[07:15] <darkxst> no, that is why they have not landed yet in trunk
[10:17] <shubham> i am using ubuntu gnome 14.04 and sometimes while executing c++ programs, if some loop becomes infinite, then the whole machine stops working. any ideas why does it happen.
[10:17] <shubham> It never happened on ubuntu
[10:19] <shubham> _longines: i am using ubuntu gnome 14.04 and sometimes while executing c++ programs, if some loop becomes infinite, then the whole machine stops working. any ideas why does it happen. It never happened on ubuntu.
[10:43] <shubham> kipd: my ubuntu gnome fonts have become very small. i dont know how it happened. can you help?
[10:45] <batman2> hello guys
[10:46] <shubham> erricchu: my ubuntu gnome fonts have become very small. i dont know how it happened. can you help?
[10:46] <shubham> anhoonie: my ubuntu gnome fonts have become very small. i dont know how it happened. can you help?
[10:46] <shubham> bp0: my ubuntu gnome fonts have become very small. i dont know how it happened. can you help?
[14:27] <Olotila> How can I create shortcut key for program I usually run from terminal?
[14:28] <Olotila> for example xfreerdp
[14:28] <Olotila> command is
[14:28] <Olotila> xfreerdp /server /username etc
[14:28] <Olotila> when I create shortcut and put proper command there and give it a shortcut key, nothing happens
[19:15] <romare> oh I'm so happy that there's a channel for ubuntu gnome
[19:15] <romare> I think it's just the best OS
[19:16] <romare> I just made a bootable usb using rufus on windows for ubuntu gnome
[19:16] <romare> I installed the OS but I had issues about installing apps
[19:16] <romare> I had the error saying like I have broken packages
[19:17] <romare> where do you think I failed at?
[19:17] <romare> I didn't change anything on rufus
[19:17] <romare> talking about 16.04 LTS btw
[19:19] <romare> can somebody please help?
[19:29] <romare> oh okay, all of you guys are bots


[02:45] <magemore> how to install last lxde? is there any package source?
[02:45] <magemore> lxqt i mean
[02:50] <tsimonq2> magemore: sudo apt install lxqt-core sddm
[02:51] <tsimonq2> magemore: do that on an Ubuntu Server image
[02:56] <magemore> haven't seen it... installing lxqt-metapackage how lxqt-core different from metapackage?
[02:56] <tsimonq2> magemore: lxqt-metapackage is NOT supported. do NOT use it
[02:57] <magemore> thanks. i also added ppa lubuntu-daily. i will try core on clean virtual box now
[02:57] <tsimonq2> magemore: do NOT add that PPA either
[02:57] <tsimonq2> magemore: just a fresh Yakkety install
[14:09] <wxl> looks like final images are building http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/368/builds
[14:11] <wxl> omfg https://imgur.com/gallery/YUNgz
[14:20] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Yakkety Final] (20161008) has been added
[14:20] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate powerpc [Yakkety Final] (20161008) has been added
[14:20] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Yakkety Final] (20161008) has been added
[15:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: not final images yet
[15:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: just WIP images I hear
[15:39] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Yakkety Final] (20161008) has been added
[15:39] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop powerpc [Yakkety Final] (20161008) has been added
[15:39] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Yakkety Final] (20161008) has been added


[03:14] <Shred00> /etc/rsyslog.d/40-mythtv.conf doesn't seem to be actually writing log entries to the $programname based log files.  :-(
[03:17] <Shred00> interestingly rsyslog creates the dir and "touches" the files but doesn't actually write to them but writes to /var/log/syslog instead, in the case of a front-end machine
[03:41] <Shred00> i think i take that back
[03:42] <Shred00> yeah, i take it back.  must be legacy permissions or something.
[04:36] <superm1> Shred00: have you rebooted or restarted rsyslog since upgrading?
[04:36] <superm1> i've debated adding something to postinst of the package that sets all that up to restart rsyslog
[04:37] <superm1> but unsure on other side effects
[04:48] <Shred00> superm1: the problem is that in the past, myth* has logged to files directly, typically as user mythtv, but now we just hand those same files over to rsyslog to append to and the permissions are wrong.
[04:55] <superm1> Shred00: there is a code snippet in the postinst that (should) correct permissions
[04:55] <superm1> if you've got a build a few days old though there was a bug and it wasn't fixing permissions
[04:56] <superm1> but it should be fixed on any builds the 17th or later
[05:05] <superm1> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv/mythtv-master/revision/529
[05:05] <Zinn> [bazaar.launchpad.net] ~mythbuntu/mythtv/mythtv-master : revision 529