[01:54] <philphoto> evening folks.  last night I was troubleshooting my excessive boot time & by simply shutting off services at boot i got the time from bios post to xubuntu login down to 47 seconds.  I'm liking that much more than the 200 seconds it booted in previously.
[01:55] <philphoto> I'm still having the problem of my onboard wifi device intermittently disappearing on boot.
[01:57] <philphoto> this happens on reboot after changing an ultrabay device (IBM T30) or also after the system completeing a big upgrade.  on reboot after the dev has disappeared, the issue rectifies itself and wifi is back.
[05:54] <Breakage> hey, anyone know how to get gmrun to pickup urxvt or xfce terminal as default terminal to run term apps in? i've changed it to urxvt from gnome-terminal in .gmrunrc but urxvt loads the dissapears. anyone using gmrun?
[07:37] <skull-DT> hi
[07:37] <skull-DT> I have a question
[07:37] <skull-DT> I have a old ibook g4 700mhz  128ram I decided to install Xubuntu for the low requirements and it worked fine. I decided to format the HD to install the latest version only to realize that the cdRom was busted. is there any other way to install xubuntu or am I screwd?
[07:40] <ron_o> install over network..
[07:40] <ron_o> or internet
[07:41] <ron_o> however, you still are required to have a cd-rom drive for that.. or some drive. Do you have a floppy? maybe that will work.
[07:41] <skull-DT> nop
[07:41] <skull-DT> thats the problem
[07:41] <skull-DT> its an ibook so it only came with a cdrom
[07:41] <skull-DT> thats it
[07:42] <ron_o> you'll have to have some way of installing it on your harddrive or system. I think you're screwed.
[07:42] <skull-DT> and since it only has 120 ram I had to use the Alternative CD
[07:42] <ere4si> this might help - http://lubi.sourceforge.net/unetbootin.html
[07:42] <ron_o> ask around. I really can't help.
[07:42] <skull-DT> ok thanx ron
[07:42] <skull-DT> let me check that link
[07:42] <ron_o> ere4si, the problem is even if you he could try a network boot, but how?
[07:43] <ron_o> he can't even install anything on his system or in RAM.
[07:43] <ere4si> !I'd go for a usb stick set up on another comp
[07:43] <ere4si> !realplayer
[07:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:44] <skull-DT> hmmm
[07:44] <ron_o> then network to that computer. However, I still won't know how he can get his computer to try anything.
[07:44] <skull-DT> of course it is a power pc
[07:44] <skull-DT> CPU
[07:44] <ere4si> prob won't boot from usb...
[07:44] <ron_o> not a chance. :)
[07:44] <ron_o> :/
[07:44] <ere4si> it's a mac - just set it on fire :)
[07:45] <skull-DT> well I just thought I would put it to office use
[07:45] <ron_o> if you had another macintosh similar to that one then you might be able to get away with installing it on that machine then replacing harddrives..
[07:45] <ron_o> but who'd know how that would work out.
[07:45] <skull-DT> true
[07:46] <ron_o> it's all touch and go.. but at least with a Mac it might be able to configure itself to work on the new machine.
[07:46] <ron_o> you could do that with Intel and linux, but you'd need to configure things manually which is quite hard.
[07:47] <skull-DT> but its a power pc cpu, requires a special version
[07:47] <ron_o> oh, wait.. duh.. you'd be using linux on the Mac. :/... you'd still have to configure things manually.
[07:47] <ron_o> yah.. sorry skull-DT. I can't help you much. :/
[07:47] <skull-DT> yep
[07:47] <skull-DT> thanx for trying man
[07:48] <ron_o> get a new cdrom if it's worth it.
[07:48] <skull-DT> the truth is that I dont even know if I can open this things
[07:48] <ron_o> heh, yah.. I bet.
[07:48] <skull-DT> thery are like sealed, have you seen one?
[07:48] <ere4si> and gutsy doesn't support power pc
[07:48] <skull-DT> yeah
[07:49] <ron_o> I've seen some Macs that are sealed.
[07:49] <skull-DT> it does
[07:49] <ron_o> they were never meant to be messed around with.
[07:49] <ere4si> thought I saw that on the ubuntu site
[07:49] <skull-DT> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/gutsy/release/
[07:49] <ere4si> k
[07:49] <skull-DT> ppc version is right there
[07:49] <ron_o> Good luck skull-DT ... nite
[07:49] <skull-DT> ok bye
[07:50] <skull-DT> oh well, I think I have the coles paper weight in the block thats for sure
[07:50] <skull-DT> haha
[07:50] <skull-DT> thanx guys
[07:50] <skull-DT> appreciate the help
[07:50] <ere4si> got a friend with an external cd drive?
[07:51] <skull-DT> would that work
[07:51] <skull-DT> ?
[07:52] <skull-DT> I dont know much about macs
[07:52] <skull-DT> so they boot from external drives?
[07:52] <ere4si> if the mac can use it - I don't know anything about macs except they're overpriced and underpowered :)
[07:53] <skull-DT> im not much of a fan ether but I have it, might as well try to put it to work
[07:53] <ere4si> you might have to google about that
[07:53] <ere4si> I'm all for using it if you have it
[07:53] <skull-DT> because mac os sure ass hell did not work well I tell you that
[07:54] <ere4si> :) = trying for humor
[07:55] <ere4si> as an aside - why didn't you upgrade the old install?
[07:56] <skull-DT> well actually that was the problem, I did try but the upgrade failed and screwd eveything up. so I had to format
[07:56] <skull-DT> after the upgrade nothing worked even the display looked like crap
[07:57] <skull-DT> so I decided to go for a fresh install
[07:58] <ere4si> fair enough and a common enough prob that it should be looked into by those that offer these things
[07:58] <skull-DT> to my surprise the cd rom died, so some files could not be red from the install cd
[07:58] <skull-DT> yeah that would be cool
[07:58] <ere4si> did you do the md5 check on the cd?
[07:58] <skull-DT> yep
[07:58] <skull-DT> 11 different cds man
[07:58] <skull-DT> not only one
[07:59] <skull-DT> burned in different machines and everything
[07:59] <ere4si> was it burnt on another comp? - and at a slow speed e.g. 4x
[07:59] <ere4si> k
[07:59] <skull-DT> I did went for 4X a couple of times
[07:59] <skull-DT> had to be the mac drive
[07:59] <ere4si> all os's should be burnt at a very slow speed
[08:00] <ere4si> gtg - bbl :)
[08:00] <skull-DT> yeah
[08:01] <skull-DT> I might do of thouse smash my Ibook and put it on youtube
[08:02] <skull-DT> lol
[08:16] <gynterk> what font does xubuntu logo use and where to get it ?
[09:53] <Ven]n> hey, is nautilus a part of xubuntu?
[09:58] <ere4si> Ven]n, no - xubuntu uses thunar - it is lighter on resources but still thorough
[09:59] <Ven]n> yeah..
[09:59] <Ven]n> its just that i also have nautilus installed in my xubuntu
[09:59] <ere4si> I like it :)
[09:59] <Ven]n> but i guess it came from when i installed gnome-desktop-environment
[09:59] <ere4si> yep it wouldhave
[10:00] <Ven]n> so thats where it came from
[10:00] <Ven]n> heh
[10:00] <ere4si> :)
[10:00] <Ven]n> gah.. probably alot that didnt get removed when i removed gnome-desktop
[10:03] <ere4si> if you open synaptic package manager you can click an installed package and select to remove it and the other progs it needs will be shown - if xfce is not one then it might be safe to remove - if you've installed lots
[10:04] <ere4si> and you can select cancel to not remove it
[10:04] <Ven]n> good suggestion :p
[10:04] <ere4si> it lets you search for dependencies and stuff :)
[10:11]  * ere4si wonders what dramas bloodboy  is having?
[10:55] <ceacy> Hi
[10:55] <ceacy> I've got a problem under Xubuntu, with quodlibet (and dbus hotkeys)
[10:55] <ceacy> it used to work, but i uninstalled a few packages, without any problem in dependencies, and now Quodlibet doesn't recognize my hotkeys anymore
[10:55] <ceacy> unfortunately, i don't know which package is supposed to interact with the dbus system, in xfce
[10:56] <TheSheep> python-dbus probably
[10:57] <ceacy> I've already the latest version
[10:57] <ceacy> oh, and quodlibet message is :
[10:57] <ceacy> "DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service file"
[10:58] <ceacy> (btw, the xfce hotkeys work fine ; it's just the quodlibet's dbusmmkeys plugin which fails)
[10:59] <TheSheep> looks like it equires gconf
[10:59] <TheSheep> requires
[11:01] <ceacy> i just reinstalled it, but the error is stille the same : do i have to login/logout, in order for the changes to apply ?
[11:01] <TheSheep> you shouldn't have to
[11:02] <ceacy> well, gconfd isnow running :
[11:02] <ceacy> ceacy     5095  0.0  0.1   5680  2752 ?        S    11:45   0:00 /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2
[11:02] <ceacy> but the error still occurs
[11:03] <TheSheep> I really don't know how gconf and other gnome apps organize these things
[11:03] <ceacy> In the plugin script dbus*.py, this is the commentary :
[11:03] <ceacy> # This plugin is needed for quod libet to handle multimedia keys properly in
[11:03] <ceacy> # GNOME 2.18. gnome-settings-daemon grabs all keys and publish it as dbus
[11:03] <ceacy> # signals, thus preventing applications like quod libet to grab the key
[11:03] <TheSheep> maybe there is a gnome-settings-daemon package?
[11:03] <ceacy> But i guess i never had gnome-control-center installed in xubuntu, so ... (gnome-settings-daemon is provided by gnome-control-center, if i remeber correctly)
[11:04] <TheSheep> no, it's a deparate package
[11:04] <TheSheep> !info gnome-settings-daemon
[11:04] <ubotu> Package gnome-settings-daemon does not exist in gutsy
[11:04] <TheSheep> at least in Hardy :/
[11:05] <ceacy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=gnome-settings-daemon
[11:07] <TheSheep> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gnome-settings-daemonhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gnome-settings-daemonhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gnome-settings-daemon
[11:07] <TheSheep> sorry
[11:08] <TheSheep> ceacy: well, you've seen the code. It uses g-s-d.
[11:08] <ceacy> yep
[11:08] <ceacy> but i don't understand why it worked before, and not now
[11:08] <TheSheep> no idea how it could have worked before, maybe earlier version of the plugin?
[11:08] <ceacy> well, i'll install gnome-control-center, just to see
[11:09] <ceacy> (don't think so : i'm brand new to xubuntu, i installed it yesterday ; it worked this night ; i removed packages this morning :p)
[11:10] <ceacy> Thank you, anyway !
[13:09] <Altelier> Hello everyone, anyone knows how to add/change a mime type icon on xfce?
[13:10] <TheSheep> Altelier: yes
[13:11] <Altelier> Is it hard?
[13:11] <TheSheep> no
[13:11] <Altelier> Could you explain it to me?
[13:11] <TheSheep> Altelier: yes :)
[13:12] <TheSheep> Altelier: you just put it in your /.icons/hicolor/<size>/mimetypes
[13:12] <TheSheep> with apropriate name
[13:12] <TheSheep> so, an icon for text/plain would be called text-plain
[13:13] <Altelier> Size will be the icon size right?
[13:13] <TheSheep> see /usr/share/icons/gnome/<size>/mimetypes for some examples
[13:13] <TheSheep> yes, like 48x48 or scalable
[13:14] <TheSheep> the system will pick the icon that is closest in size to the required
[13:15] <Altelier> So for an application/x-cbr
[13:15] <Altelier> I should put a x-cbr , right?
[13:16] <TheSheep> I think it's application-x-cbr
[13:16] <Altelier> Ok I'll try
[13:17] <Altelier> Does it need to restart the windows manager?
[13:17] <TheSheep> the problem is, cbr and cbz will be recognized as application/x-rar and application/x-zip, respectively
[13:17] <TheSheep> or archive/rar and archive/zip
[13:17] <TheSheep> not sure
[13:18] <TheSheep> ah, no, it's fixed
[13:18] <TheSheep> cool!
[13:19] <TheSheep> I can now us my thumbnailer on them!
[13:19] <Altelier> Yes its fixed
[13:19] <Altelier> That's why I asked
[13:19] <TheSheep> that's great news
[13:20] <TheSheep> you think they will also fix .gbc.zip and .gba.zip? :)
[13:21] <Altelier> Will be an improvement for sure
[13:22] <Altelier> I think that should be fixed too
[13:52] <Altelier> TheSheep, thank you, it worked fine ^^
[13:53] <TheSheep> great
[13:53]  * TheSheep reuses the 'irc chat' icon
[15:03] <ere4si> !ping
[15:03] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[15:03] <ere4si> !pong
[15:03] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[15:05] <jarnos> I just had my pc freeze using gqview. Actually 100% of CPU power was used and best that I could alt-sysRq-s alt-sysRq-u alt-sysRq-b
[15:06] <jarnos> ^best that I could do to reboot
[15:06] <jarnos> was
[15:11] <ere4si> !gqview
[15:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gqview - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:12] <ere4si> jarnos: installed from source?
[15:12] <ere4si> !gtkrc
[15:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtkrc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:13] <jarnos> No, from repository.
[15:13] <jarnos> ere4si: No, from repository.
[15:13] <ere4si> jarnos: from the bot gqview isn't in the repos - what version are you using?
[15:14] <ere4si> the bot works of gutsy atm
[15:15] <jarnos> ere4si:  2.0.4-0ubuntu1, I am using Gutsy
[15:16] <ere4si> !info gqview
[15:16] <ubotu> gqview (source: gqview): A simple image viewer using GTK+. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 454 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[15:16] <ere4si> k
[15:16] <ere4si> jarnos, that rules out dependencies :)
[15:17] <jarnos> ere4si: what do you mean?
[15:19] <ere4si> jarnos, if you didn't have a needed lib that might have ramped cpu while it searched - but as a xubuntu package all dependencies are taken care of
[15:19] <jarnos> ere4si: I see.
[15:19] <ere4si> jarnos, simple solutions first in my book :)
[15:21] <ere4si> jarnos: can you type   gqview in a terminal and check any output ?
[15:22] <tomd123> does anyone know of an applet kind of like the weather one for the network? I would like to be able to view my total bandwidth usage with in the past 24 hours. Any suggestinos would be appreciated :P
[15:24] <ere4si> tomd123, there is a network applet that shows real time usage - right click the panel - for usage over a day...not that I know
[15:25] <jarnos> I tried to rename a file in gqview when the window was maximized and tried to move the window right because I couldn't get the name visible. I can't reproduce the crash.
[15:26] <jarnos> ere4si: I started it now from terminal and no text there.
[15:27] <ere4si> jarnos, k - might have been a mem address issue at that moment or something similar - s#$% happens
[15:27] <ere4si> :)
[15:28] <jarnos> ere4si: There is a bug in gqview anyway. It didn't show the rename field wholly.
[15:29] <ere4si> jarnos, there are other image viewers as well
[15:33] <LeAstrale> wow a lot of activity in here :)
[15:34] <ere4si> people use - people ask - people answer - stuff happens :)
[15:34] <LeAstrale> ere4si: still a little more than usual, dont you think so ?
[15:36] <ere4si> LeAstrale, yep - that's why I spend time here trying to help - can be like a desert sometimes except for TheSheep and others
[15:36] <LeAstrale> ere4si: ahh The trigger happy Sheep :P
[15:37] <ere4si> LeAstrale, that bloke should have a wage :)
[15:37] <LeAstrale> ere4si: i think most people using Xubuntu actually goes to the #ubuntu channel.
[15:38] <LeAstrale> ere4si: he banned me some days ago because i accidentally posted a link to a website in the wrong tab in Konversation
[15:38] <ere4si> LeAstrale, they might get a complex if they only asked here :)
[15:38] <ere4si> oops to you hen
[15:38] <ere4si> *then :)
[15:38] <LeAstrale> i meant to post in #ubuntuforums-beginners but i accidentally wrote it in here instead
[15:38] <LeAstrale> thats were i usually feel at home
[15:38] <ere4si> He's young - he'll get over it
[15:39] <LeAstrale> heh.. i guess so
[15:39] <LeAstrale> ere4si: do you know much about wifi ?
[15:39] <ere4si> didn't know there was a #ubuntu-forums-beginners
[15:40] <ere4si> LeAstrale, never use it - found a linux distro that will crack any wifi security so...
[15:41] <LeAstrale> ere4si: its for the Ubuntu Forums beginners team
[15:41] <LeAstrale> generally a very helpful channel :)
[15:41] <LeAstrale> and very universal
[15:42] <LeAstrale> ere4si: i wasn't talking about wifi security.. just getting it to work on Xubuntu
[15:42] <ere4si> LeAstrale, I don't use it - link is all I know
[15:42] <ere4si> !wireless
[15:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[15:42] <ere4si> sorry
[15:42] <LeAstrale> ere4si: no need to sorry :)
[15:43] <ere4si> LeAstrale, I like to help but for wireless that's all I know :)
[15:43] <LeAstrale> ere4si: im considering pulling cables througout the house to get rid of the wireless aspect of my network
[15:44] <ere4si> LeAstrale, my whole house runs wires for 5 comps - the only way imho
[15:44] <LeAstrale> ere4si: yes it is.. wireless is just no good for the backup solution im making here
[15:45] <ere4si> LeAstrale, speed was my reasoning
[15:46] <LeAstrale> ere4si: speed and stability is the reason of Linux in general (and ethernet btw)
[15:46] <ere4si> LeAstrale, can't get gigabit wireless anywhere...
[15:47] <ere4si> LeAstrale, wireless is new and trendy but slow and insecure
[15:47] <LeAstrale> ere4si: do you have a huge RAID array since you're considering gigabit ?
[15:48] <ere4si> LeAstrale, no - but transfer 700mb files regularly
[15:48] <LeAstrale> to fully use a one gigabit LAN line you would need to have disc setups capable of 128MB/s reading
[15:48] <LeAstrale> ere4si: on a regurlar HDD you won't note the difference
[15:49] <LeAstrale> between 100mbit and 1000mbit
[15:49] <ere4si> LeAstrale, noticed the diff going from 10/100 to gigabit
[15:49] <LeAstrale> it cant have been much
[15:50] <LeAstrale> because a regurlar desktop disc has read speeds about 35MB/s and write at some 20MB/S
[15:50] <ere4si> from nearly 2 min to 30 sec for 700 mb
[15:50] <ere4si> onboard lan to nic cards
[15:51] <LeAstrale> if you had a RAID Array of 4 discs like i have you would however note the difference between 100mbit and gigabit
[15:51] <ere4si> raid in linux is still immature
[15:51] <LeAstrale> that is if the host has the same amount
[15:51] <LeAstrale> ere4si: RAID isn't inmature... it has always been meant to be made in Hardware to get the true performance
[15:52] <LeAstrale> i have a pretty expensive Raid card with 8 IDE slots in it
[15:52] <ere4si> and linux works best with software raid
[15:52] <LeAstrale> i got 4 7,200 rpm discs right now
[15:52] <LeAstrale> ere4si: a good hw raid the OS wont even now exists..
[15:52] <ere4si> k - don't need it atm
[15:53] <LeAstrale> ere4si: im fiddling with it for the backup solution ;)
[15:53] <ere4si> LeAstrale, it's great for that
[15:53] <LeAstrale> yes with the redundancy and everything :)
[15:54] <LeAstrale> i got a RAID 5..
[15:55] <LeAstrale> and i tested it manually some time ago by just unplugging a cable while the server was running... it just kept going.. a little box popped up about a HDD failure that i needed to replace ASAP
[15:55] <LeAstrale> and when i plugged the cable back in the disc it ran a consistency check and then integrated it into the RAID array again
[15:55] <LeAstrale> that was a nice feeling  :)
[15:58] <LeAstrale> hmm... i think ill take a nab.. nice taking to you ere4si
[15:58] <LeAstrale> ttyl
[17:10] <tech404> so I have just installed xubuntu-desktop... now I need to remove all my old gnome stuff.. I thought that removing ubuntu-desktop followed by autoremove'ing would do the job but it seems to have missed quite a bit... any ideas on the best way to make this happen?
[18:12] <nazdalf> hello ppl....i hav xubuntu 7.10 and the screenlock has ceased to work.....it has xscreensaver-gl installed in linux...can some1 pls help me with it....
[18:13] <TheSheep> I thought that 7.10 used gnome-screensaver
[18:13] <nazdalf> well probably ubuntu does...i have xubuntu
[18:21] <nazdalf> well....can ne1 tell me why my screenlock stopped working on xubuntu.......did ne1 else not get the same problem??
[18:25] <zoredache> look at the autostarted applications and see if the screen saver is listed there
[18:28] <nazdalf> zoredache: no it is not....
[18:32] <zoredache> nazdalf: try running the command sudo apt-get install gnome-screensaver xscreensaver-data xscreensaver-gl
[18:34] <zoredache> if that is installed then make a new autostarted application.. the name and program should be 'gnome-screensaver
[18:36] <nazdalf> zoredache: oops....i ws wrong....turns out gnome screensaver is instald on my system.....
[18:37] <nazdalf> zoredache: the other two packages are installed as well.....
[18:37] <nazdalf> zoredache: i ll do the autostarted thingy....
[18:44] <nazdalf> zoredache: its wrking now!! thanks a lot!! ....i ws trying to get it to run by 'xscreensaver-gl' since yest....lollll
[18:47] <zoredache> your welcome
[19:01] <nicolah> will xubuntu hardy heron use xfce 4.4.2 ?
[19:14] <TheSheep> nicolah: yes, it will use 4.4.2 the same as Gutsy
[19:15] <nicolah> gutsy did ? so the bug about the usb stick removal and the trash will remain
[19:15] <nicolah> d'oh
[19:15] <nicolah> thanks for the answer
[19:15] <TheSheep> nicolah: if the bug was reported, it will probably be fixed
[19:16] <nicolah> now I can't find the page but it was well reported
[19:16] <nicolah> thunar daemon wouldn't let unmount a usb stick
[19:16] <TheSheep> nicolah: it definitely doesn't happen for me
[19:16] <TheSheep> nicolah: so I guess it's fixed
[19:17] <nicolah> TheSheep: I'm installing hardy heron and I'll try
[19:17] <nicolah> I don't really care about that bug but being my girlfriend laptop it's pretty annoying
[19:18] <TheSheep> yeah, I can imagine that being a laptop can be annaoying if you don't have apropriate features
[19:18] <TheSheep> like a keyboard and a display, for example
[19:18] <nicolah> as far as the trash in removal drive ?
[19:19] <nicolah> will it still create a .trash folder and never delete it ?
[19:19] <TheSheep> nicolah: I think that's what the standard specification says
[19:20] <nicolah> the standard specification says it's cool getting usb device full withouth even being prompted to empy the trash ?
[19:21] <TheSheep> you can read it at http://freedesktop.org
[19:22] <nicolah> well I mean I *love* xfce but gnome at least prompt for emptying the trash when umounting a usb drive
[19:23] <TheSheep> it would be pretty annoying to me
[19:24] <nicolah> assuming your hidden files are not showed, what do you do when your usb device is full and you don't even know why ?
[19:26] <TheSheep> I empty the trash
[19:28] <nicolah> which one ?
[19:28] <gabkdlly> doesn't thunar automatically remove files from the trash if you run out of space?
[19:29] <nicolah> never happened, btw I'll test
[19:30] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: no, as far as I know
[19:31] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: thunar won't ever remove anything it didn't create
[19:31] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: without an explicit command
[19:32] <gabkdlly> well, I usually remove stuff on the command line if I don't want it to hang out in the trash
[19:33] <gabkdlly> but I can see how it would be a pain if you are used to doing that with a GUI
[19:34] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: just hold down shift if you want to remove permanently
[19:34] <gabkdlly> oh, that's handy to know, thanks :)
[19:35] <TheSheep> sigh, it's in the manual :)
[19:48] <gabkdlly> TheSheep: I am actually not seeing it in the F1 help manual. Maybe I should file a bug.
[21:02] <qsrv> hi
[21:02] <ere4si> !hi
[21:02] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[21:02] <qsrv> has anyone had problems with brasero freezing when burning audio cds?
[21:02] <qsrv> it freezes for something like 5 minutes
[21:02] <qsrv> then starts burning the cd
[21:03] <ere4si> I don't use iy - sorry
[21:03] <ere4si> *it
[21:03] <qsrv> what do you use to burn data and audio discs?
[21:03] <ere4si> k3b
[21:03] <ere4si> it's the most recommended
[21:04] <zoredache> for data disks I use cdrecord directly... I don't make audio disks...
[21:06] <qsrv> hm
[21:06] <qsrv> k3b depends on KDE, so it's not an option - I'm running on a rather limited system
[21:07] <ere4si> it will load some dependencies but not all - won't load kde
[21:17] <ere4si> !vino
[21:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vino - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:18] <Shinjin> Is .msi a linux file extension?
[21:24] <ere4si> that's a windows installer file - no good in xubuntu
[21:24] <Shinjin> Okay
[21:24] <ere4si> MicroSoft Installer
[21:30] <ere4si> !version
[21:30] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[22:07] <ere4si> !sensors
[22:07] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[22:07] <Mikademus> Anybody who knows why my 64-bit 7.10 live CD won't boot on my Core 2 Duo?
[22:09] <Mikademus> I get to the "Kernal is alive" message, then the monitor turns off and nothing happens
[22:09] <ere4si> what's the brand and model pls - helps with a google search
[22:09] <Mikademus> e6600 2.4ghz
[22:09] <Mikademus> Intel
[22:10] <Mikademus> I have Googled for 2 days :-/
[22:10] <Mikademus> Am new to Linux, and want to switch from Windows, but I just run into obstacles
[22:11] <ere4si> and the brand? - toshiba acer...
[22:11] <Mikademus> Ah, home built. Not a laptop
[22:11] <Mikademus> Desktop computer
[22:11] <ere4si> k - m/board maker and model?
[22:11] <ere4si> and vid card
[22:12] <Mikademus> MB is an Abit DH7-Deluxe, Video is ATI Radeon X850X
[22:13] <ere4si> k - brb
[22:13] <Mikademus> Sorry, Asus
[22:15] <Mikademus> Hold, I gave you the name of the wrong MB
[22:15] <Mikademus> Sorry
[22:15] <Mikademus> It is Asus P5W DH-Deluxe, I mixed it up with my old one
[22:16]  * Mikademus feels like a n3wblar
[22:18] <ere4si> ok - seems there is no issues with that setup so maybe the cd - did you do the md5 check on it? - did you burn it at a slow speed?
[22:20] <Mikademus> On slow speed, yes, I haven't done the MD5 check, but I have exactly the same issue with the 64-bit Ubunto LiveCD I also tried
[22:21] <Mikademus> Are there some "safe mode" or similar parameters I can switch on, since I get to the boot loader?
[22:21] <ere4si> press F6 I think
[22:22] <ere4si> this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=376713 - talks about the success people have with the core 2
[22:22] <Mikademus> Ok, thanks, will read the thread. F6 is the key to enable options, but I have no clue *which* options to set... I'm quite virgin in the ways of *nix
[22:24] <Mikademus> Thing is, I really want to run a Xubunto install, pereferably 64-bit, but it won't boot at all, and the i386 version fails on 15% of installation, which apparently is a quite common problem
[22:24] <ere4si> been so long since I ran the live cd - there is an option for safe graphics
[22:24] <Mikademus> So the GFX is a common source of issues?
[22:25] <ere4si> not from what I read - that's why I asked about the cd
[22:25] <ere4si> is your burner oldish?
[22:26] <ere4si> I had lots of dramas with burnt cds then tried an os burn on another comp and it worked - seems the one drive was on its' way out
[22:27] <ere4si> wasted alot of cds finding that out...
[22:28] <Mikademus> Well, it is not very old, but it's still worth checking. I'll simply do the MD5 test in the installer.
[22:28] <Mikademus> Btw, I always burn with "verify data" on, just for that reason.
[22:29] <Mikademus> Still, your experience sounds like a bummer too... :P
[22:32] <ere4si> I've got a large stack of coasters - something to be aware of...
[22:35] <Mikademus> Bah, I'd gladly waste a few CDs if I could get the 64 bit version to install
[22:35] <Mikademus> ;)
[22:40] <ere4si> the 64 bit is troublesome from what people are saying - needs work to get apps happn'n 'cause they're 32bit written etc
[22:46] <LeAstrale> ere4si: discussing 64bit atm are we ?
[22:46] <ere4si> LeAstrale, and booting probs with it...
[22:47] <LeAstrale> with the 64bit :O ?
[22:47] <LeAstrale> i haven't had any such at all with Xubuntu
[22:47] <LeAstrale> except when i played around with alpha 3
[22:47] <LeAstrale> ere4si: i have updated my wireless thread now :)
[22:47] <LeAstrale> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4403380#post4403380
[22:47] <LeAstrale> please take a look at the above thread if you have knowledge in wireless under Xubuntu
[22:48] <Mikademus> LeAstrale, aye, booting probs with the 64bit Ubuntu and Xubunto LiveCDs on a Core2Due
[22:48] <ere4si> LeAstrale, I don't do wireless - sorry :)
[22:49] <Mikademus> And the i386 version won't get past the lockup at 15% done problem
[22:49] <LeAstrale> ere4si: i know it was just so that i could post it out load in here if anyone had any ideas
[22:49] <LeAstrale> Mikademus: tried the alternate discs ?
[22:56] <Mikademus> No, I haven't, as I understand the main difference is the installer program?
[22:57] <LeAstrale> Mikademus: yes.. which could solve your 15% issues of the install... i have however heard of cases where that step took extremely long time
[23:00] <Mikademus> I searched and found some threads where the 15% issue was discussed, and it seems to be a relatively common if not directly widespread issue
[23:00] <Mikademus> So the i386 install issue is not isolated to my particular config
[23:01] <LeAstrale> Mikademus: i would however recommend you download the alternate.. its not that different.. a little harder to partitionate that should be the only thing
[23:01] <LeAstrale> Mikademus: i dont know
[23:01] <Mikademus> Well, I'll give the alternative a try. I just wish I had some rewriteable CDs :)
[23:02] <LeAstrale> how do i format my WD external HDD from within Kubuntu ?
[23:03] <zoredache> well if you are a cli type person you would drop down to a shell, then use something like 'sudo cfdisk' to make your partitions, followed by something like 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdnn'
[23:09] <Mikademus> Alternative 64 bit gibbon on its way. Thank the Powers for a reasonably broad band, though a band broad would be adequate too. Anyway, wish me luck with this version.
[23:10] <LeAstrale> zoredache: and if i would like it with a smaller NTFS partition on it (which should hold the driver to access EXT3 from windows)
[23:10] <Mikademus> I have a nagging feeling Shub-Nuggorath don't want me to leave the dark side
[23:11] <uno> hey
[23:12] <ere4si> my cows eat hay :)
[23:12] <uno> when i tried to burn xubuntu to a cd it didnt work it had 3 errors... and i really dont want to keep waisting cd's so is there any way to boot from an external hdd to install xubuntu on my internal hdd?
[23:14] <zoredache> uno: there are ways, but they are tricky...
[23:14] <bitform> did you verify the MD5 of your ISO image?
[23:14] <zoredache> !install | uno
[23:14] <ubotu> uno: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[23:20] <ere4si> !cisco
[23:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cisco - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:24] <Mikademus> !sillywordgame
[23:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sillywordgame - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:32] <Mikademus> Ok, here goes. Wish me luck. Mikademus signing off
[23:33] <ere4si> k lol
[23:38] <beautifulsnow> Hello, I would like to know to trim my dekstop down to the core, I mean, I don't want games, extra applications, etc etc, just the core (like with kde, you can have kde core.. if that makes any sense...).... anyone know how to
[23:40] <ere4si> I used this and am impressed - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[23:41] <ere4si> but you can open synaptic and select packages to remove
[23:42] <beautifulsnow> man, that site seems to have everything I need >_> *thumbs up*
[23:43] <ere4si> using fluxbox I halved mem usage and saved a third of the disk space used by the "normal" install :)
[23:44] <beautifulsnow> Yes, that's what I'd like to do too :)
[23:47] <beautifulsnow> See, I just installed Ubuntu a week ago, and I'm using 40Gb on my hard drive already.
[23:47] <ere4si> next I'm using the server install and flux to see if hd space is further reduced
[23:48] <beautifulsnow> Granted, 10Gb is for virtual box ;)
[23:48] <ere4si> 40G - how - avi's?
[23:48] <ere4si> k
[23:48] <beautifulsnow> No. I have an external hard drive that I use for media
[23:48] <ere4si> what uses the 30G?
[23:48] <beautifulsnow> You tell me :P
[23:49] <ere4si> ???
[23:49] <beautifulsnow> OOPS sorry, thats 35gb total, not 40 ;p
[23:49] <ere4si> doesn't seem right...
[23:49] <ere4si> still
[23:49] <beautifulsnow> yeah
[23:50] <beautifulsnow> Too bad I already love my setup too much, or I'd do a barebones install ;___;
[23:50] <beautifulsnow> Maybe saving my home folder would be enough? :-/
[23:50] <ere4si> I set up with 5G for / and the rest for /home - the / uses 1.2G
[23:51] <beautifulsnow> Lovely
[23:51]  * beautifulsnow ponders
[23:52] <ere4si> yep - with a /home you can reinstall and keep data and most settings - e.g. firefox has a .firefox folder in /home with your bookmarks etc in
[23:52]  * beautifulsnow starts making a list of the programs she will want to install ^____^
[23:52] <beautifulsnow> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, if I reinstall, and keep my /home, I should be ok, no?
[23:53] <ere4si> I do that - don't upgrade but reinstalll so my /home is great idea for me :)
[23:54] <beautifulsnow> I forgot to make a /home partition, been using Linux on and off since '97, I should know better >_>
[23:54] <ere4si> I've gone from dapper to gutsy with same /home partition
[23:55] <ere4si> well - it's got to be on its' own partition - you can install a window manager that is light then start removing apps


[00:18] <highvoltage> doctormo: around?
[00:18] <doctormo> highvoltage: yes
[00:19] <highvoltage> doctormo: I was just looking at a smaller version of the wallpaper in my blog entry..
[00:20] <highvoltage> doctormo: is it just me or does the bug look a bit sad? is that intentional? :)
[00:24] <highvoltage> doctormo: I'm not sure if the sun is still slightly to high either
[00:24] <highvoltage> doctormo: either way I'm posting the blog entry now :)
[00:24] <doctormo> highvoltage: The sun is actually lower than it was in the last draft. The bug looks sad, all bugs do.
[00:25] <doctormo> changes can be made, have a play around in inkscape if you can.
[00:37] <highvoltage> doctormo: eek, my bad, I seemed to have somehow used an older version, I'll update my blog entry
[00:37] <highvoltage> doctormo: no need to change then :)
[01:44] <pleia2> doctormo: beautiful background! (but I'm sure you know that :))
[01:52] <highvoltage> (I'm sure he still needs to hear it :p)
[22:52] <Ahmuck-Sr> doctormo: same background as the other day?


[10:38] <Guest41143> Where is the 'About this computer' details I used to find in ordinary ubuntu?
[10:44] <Guest41143> I have found it again. It is in 'System Monitor' in tab 'System'.
[17:19] <reptarius> how are you ?
[20:14] <esdwdftty> The release of Firefox 54 he can now work with more than one core in the processor. For Linux/Windows this is not so important. Update Firefox 52 to 54 for Pi
[20:17] <esdwdftty> The release of Firefox 54 he can now work with more than one core in the processor. For Linux/Windows x86, 64 this is not so important. Update Firefox 52 to 54 for Pi
[20:22] <esdwdftty>  processor (CPU)
[20:23] <AgentFluffy> Hello, anyone here?
[20:24] <AgentFluffy> I'd like to ask, does Ubuntu Mate have any hardware monitoring widget (you know, showing CPU loads, temperatures of components, etc.) or do you have to download one from somewhere?
[20:25] <Jack_Sparrow__> AgentFluffy, run synaptic and search in there
[20:25] <AgentFluffy> I know there's one for monitoring the temperatures of components in the task bar but it only shows temperatures
[20:25] <AgentFluffy> oh ok, I'll try that
[20:59] <esdwdftty> Agent. In linux not all so is simple with the new processors. In Windows c the situation better. APU 2014 year relese,A4-4020 (richland). Temperature in windows Temp CPU(Tctl)=4.1 C. Temp CPU Pacage=54 C now. On Linux no temp Pacage, temp Tctl have. 4.1 wrong in the rome 25 C. Install in Synaptic "psensor"
[21:01] <esdwdftty> Agent. In linux not all so is simple with the new processors. In Windows c the situation better. APU 2014 year relese,A4-4020 (richland). Temperature in windows Temp CPU(Tctl)=4.1 C. Temp CPU Pacage=54 C now. On Linux no temp Pacage, temp Tctl have. 4.1 wrong in the rome 25 C. Install in Synaptic "psensor"
[21:02] <esdwdftty>  4.1 wrong,in the rome 25 C
[21:17] <esdwdftty> And even worse there is no possibility to programmatically lower the CPU voltage. https://community.amd.com/message/2673428#2673428
[21:17] <esdwdftty> http://www.zalman.com/contents/products/view.html?no=79
[21:18] <esdwdftty>  And even worse there is no possibility to programmatically lower the CPU voltage in Linux
[21:30] <esdwdftty> The manufacturer of the motherboard corrected(fix) it with a new BIOS, but I needed to say it to the manufacturer of the motherboard. I told the manufacturer of the motherboard.
[21:30] <esdwdftty> AMD OverDrive qt
[21:34] <esdwdftty> now vid 1.069v for 3394hz
[21:35] <esdwdftty> below is not stable
[21:47] <esdwdftty> Was the choice of Windows 10 and stay on Celeron 310 (Pentium 4) SSE3 2400Hz, 1Gb ram 128bit or new computer. I bought a new computer.
[21:49] <esdwdftty> win 8.1, win 10 is not yet released,test only
[21:50] <esdwdftty> win 8.1, windows 10 is not yet released, test only in 2014 year


[06:03] <pitti> Good morning
[06:03] <pitti> jbicha: I'm using Radiance, and the buttons look fine?
[06:04] <cdbs> seb
[06:04] <cdbs> oops, pressed enter instead of tab
[06:05] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[06:13] <jbicha> pitti: you're right, it's just the other themes that don't fit in
[06:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: can I ask you to do https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/po2xpi/fix-update-data/+merge/59875 ?
[08:02] <cdbs> It appears that the latest update-manager in Oneiric doesn't launch
[08:03] <jbicha> yes,  ImportError: No module named UnitySupport
[08:04] <cdbs> jbicha: So I'm not the only one
[08:05] <cdbs> hi seb128 , can you look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-apps-unity-integration ?
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: bonjour
[08:10] <kenvandine> good morning folks
[08:10] <seb128> hey kenvandine pitti
[08:10] <seb128> hey cdbs
[08:11] <seb128> kenvandine, what are you doing up still? ;-)
[08:11]  * kenvandine is just downloading offline maps to my phone before getting a few hours of sleep before flying
[08:11] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[08:11] <kenvandine> seb128, and i was also working on building libido for gtk3
[08:11] <pitti> seb128: how's Budapest?
[08:11] <seb128> pitti, nice
[08:12] <seb128> kenvandine, did you get it working?
[08:12] <kenvandine> not yet
[08:12] <kenvandine> it is less trivial than the others
[08:12] <kenvandine> quite a bit of stuff to change
[08:13] <kenvandine> enough for tonight though, i gotta get some sleep
[08:13] <seb128> cdbs, what about it?
[08:13] <seb128> kenvandine, 'night
[08:13] <kenvandine> good night, see you soon'ish :)
[08:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: we have a good reason for a libreoffice SRU: bug 775608.
[08:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 775608 in libreoffice "[Upstream] Libreoffice Calc's PRODUCT function doesn't calculate correctly with certain array formulas" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775608
[08:29] <Sweetshark> it would make us the only distri to have a current version of LibreOffice that actually calculates right, which I would consider a feature.
[08:32] <pitti> Sweetshark: eww, yes; I added a natty task
[08:32] <pitti> bbiab, bank/post office
[08:33] <pitti> Sweetshark: eww, yes; I added a natty task
[08:33] <pitti> bbiab, bank/post office
[08:49] <cdbs> seb128: Just wanted your opinion on it
[08:49] <seb128> cdbs, seems like nice integration work for contributors
[08:49] <cdbs> seb128: And please do subscribe, I'll be attending remotely, and I can't gather folks for the session through remote robotic hands @ Budapest :)
[08:50] <seb128> k, I will mention it to didrocks as well
[08:50] <cdbs> seb128: yup, could be a give-away for contributors as well, we just need to decide which apps needs what
[08:50] <cdbs> thanks seb128
[08:52] <cdbs> DBO: seb128: Enjoying Budapest?
[08:52] <cdbs> Gosh, my age is such a damn barrier to enjoyment
[09:14] <jbicha> how do I properly do the maintainer script when the packaging has been reshuffled with an /etc file
[09:16] <seb128> jbicha, define reshuffled
[09:16] <seb128> jbicha, but basically http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling
[09:17] <seb128> it has code you can use to clean or move those on upgrade
[09:17] <jbicha> the etc is now "owned" by -common instead of -bin or the other way around
[09:18] <jbicha> thanks, I'll see if I can figure that out, just rm'ing it in the prerm upgrade works but I didn't think it was very nice
[09:19] <seb128> did you try to just use a replaces as for any file move to a new binary?
[09:20] <jbicha> can you explain that more?, I'm still learning packaging
[09:22] <jbicha> the wiki page points me to man dpkg-maintscript-helper which tells me how to move or remove a conf file
[09:22] <seb128> jbicha, not sure what issue you are trying to solve, but usually when a file moves between binaries we use a Replaces to avoid conflicts on upgrade
[09:22] <seb128> like
[09:23] <jbicha> ok, maybe I understand that
[09:23] <seb128> it's the way to tell dpkg to not report a conflict between the binaries
[09:24] <seb128> it seems like that the conffile being in a new binary should be handled without any need to manual work out of using the Replaces: -bin (<< new-version)
[09:24] <jbicha> if I just tell it that it replaces the older version, it may be smart enough to figure out how to upgrade it correctly
[09:24] <jbicha> ok, I'll try that, thank you
[09:24] <seb128> to avoid conflicts if the new -common is unpacked before the new -bin which would make dpkg go "you have 2 binaries shipping the same file it's a bug"
[09:25] <jbicha> I'm trying to merge in Debian's version of gnome-session 3 and this should be my last step
[09:25] <seb128> what file are you dealing with?
[09:27] <seb128> jbicha, ^
[09:28] <jbicha> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc
[09:28] <jbicha> there was a replaces in Debian's control, just have to tweak it slightly for Ubuntu
[09:28] <seb128> that file doesn't come from Ubuntu, it must have moved in Debian as well so they probably deal with it
[09:29] <seb128> ok, makes sense
[09:43] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:43] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:46] <jbicha> howdy
[09:46] <rodrigo_> hi seb128, jbicha
[09:54] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - yeah, sure. i can do that. ca-valencia is actually automatically blacklisted in my new firefox packaging, as i parse the list of languages to ship in the firefox source
[09:55] <chrisccoulson_> and that one is not on the list (or it's !linux)
[09:55] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: for oneiric you mean?
[09:55] <pitti> (we need this for natty)
[09:56] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - yeah, for oneiric
[09:56] <chrisccoulson_> i was just saying that this won't be a problem in oneiric ;)
[09:56] <pitti> nice
[09:59] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/3ff945bdace7/browser/locales/shipped-locales
[09:59] <chrisccoulson_> i parse that to build the list of xpi's to create
[10:00] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: straight from gitweb? that's done at source build time then?
[10:01] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - no, that's shipped in the source tarball
[10:02] <chrisccoulson_> (although, i don't actually parse it at package build time. i build a list from it at source build time so i can create the entries in debian/control)
[10:03] <chrisccoulson_> hmmm, unity really doesn't like me docking my laptop
[10:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: unity doesn't like my uptime :)
[10:05] <RAOF> chrisccoulson_: Somewhat surprisingly, Unity quite likes me docking my laptop.
[10:06] <RAOF> Even *more* surprisingly, my laptop detects when I turn of my external DP monitor *and automatically disables it*
[10:06] <RAOF> It's crazy when things work as you'd hope them to :)
[10:06] <pitti> black magic!
[10:06] <chrisccoulson_> i'm going to have to restart. restarting compiz hasn't fixed my problem, and now my display is even more messed up
[10:06] <RAOF> I was astounded the first time it happened :)
[10:07] <pitti> I still don't quite like how it messes up the resolution on both displays to 1024x768 when I open the lid
[10:07] <pitti> but it's come a looooong way
[10:07] <RAOF> Harumph.  It *should* pick up your last used config, which would probably be spanned.
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> that's better. 2 functioning screens again
[10:14] <jbicha> rodrigo_: I synced gnome-session with Debian for the gnome3 PPA, here's the updated merge proposal:
[10:14] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/gnome-session/gnome3-support-ubuntu-session/+merge/59886
[10:14] <Sweetshark> pitti: How do I do this "nominate for series" thingie for the SRU?
[10:14] <pitti> Sweetshark: I already added a natty task
[10:14] <pitti> Sweetshark: but below the task list there is a "Target to series..." link
[10:16] <Sweetshark> pitti: cant find it.
[10:16]  * Sweetshark is blind
[10:16] <pitti> Sweetshark: you see the two buttons with a green plus?
[10:17]  * vish suspects Sweetshark is not in BugControl..
[10:17] <pitti> + Also affects project +  Also affects distribution O Target to series
[10:17] <micahg> pitti: it's only available for bug control members
[10:17] <pitti> aah
[10:17] <pitti> Sweetshark: without that you won't be able to do much triaging indeed; can you please ping bdmurray (not sure who else) to add you?
[10:18]  * Sweetshark always wondered how one could get bugs in certain states that seemed unavailable to me ...
[10:19] <micahg> Sweetshark: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks for accepting my firefox SRU :)
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> micahg, feel like doing some SRU verification> ;)
[10:20] <pitti> no worries, thanks for fixing stuff!
[10:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: maybe a bit later, need to get thunderbird out before I collapse
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it's a shame i had to regress bug 548866, but i think the severity of bug 643899 justifies that for now
[10:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 548866 in firefox "forgets middlemouse.contentLoadURL on upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/548866
[10:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 643899 in firefox "Firefox sending header "Accept-Language: chrome://global/locale/intl.properties"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643899
[10:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think it might be better to file a new bug to track that regression
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, you have an automated script? ;)
[10:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: for what?
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - you can probably unassign sru-verification from bug 548866, as i just need to reopen that (but i mentioned that in the changelog)
[10:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 548866 in firefox "forgets middlemouse.contentLoadURL on upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/548866
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> i guess your script caught that ;)
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> **unsubscribe
[10:23] <pitti> ah, right
[10:24] <pitti> don't close bugs in the changelog which you want to reopen :)
[10:24] <pitti> set back to triaged, and followed up with a comment
[10:25] <micahg> that's going to get confusing, can we please open a new bug since this is only a natty regression at this point?
[10:25] <micahg> that bug was a regression on a previous release before that
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> wtf - bug 776970 ? what on earth does the title have to do with the description?
[10:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 776970 in firefox "window.opener.content.document.nodePrincipal;" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776970
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> jeez, i can't escape from people using the words "Fitt's Law". now, people aren't just using it in mailing lists, but they're using it in bug reports too!
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> (bug 776930)
[10:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 776930 in unity "Attempted mouse-overs for the Firefox back button and Find box close button will bring up the Launcher (Fitts's Law)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776930
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> i think i'm going to go and hide in a cave
[10:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: there's a 2 yr old bug with it in the title I think as well :)
[10:32] <pitti> but indeed this is annoying
[10:32] <pitti> I can't properly select stuff from firefox due to that, until I disabled launcher-on-edge in the prefs again
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah. you must have that with other applications as well though?
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> i can't see what i could possibly do in firefox about this :/
[10:33] <pitti> chrisccoulson: in principle yes, but it's one of the few apps I run fullscreen (the other is weechat, which I don't c&p from)
[10:34] <pitti> it's a unity design failure though, not a firefox bug
[10:34] <pitti> (which was discussed over and over, and this got pointed out as regression potential, but it was done anyway)
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it is pretty annoying
[10:38] <pitti> RAOF: xserver-xorg-video-nv was removed in Debian, ok to follow suit?
[10:38] <pitti> debian bug 612189
[10:38] <ubot2> Debian bug 612189 in ftp.debian.org "RM: xserver-xorg-video-nv -- ROM; unmaintained" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/612189
[10:39] <RAOF> pitti: We didn't do that already? :)
[10:39] <pitti> *flush*
[10:39] <RAOF> pitti: Perfectly fine to.  It's patched so that it can't actally load in all but unusual circumstances, anyway :)
[10:40] <pitti> RAOF: apparently nobody did a process-removals run in a long time :)
[10:40] <pitti> (s/did/has done/, right?)
[10:41] <RAOF> Right.
[10:44] <Sweetshark> pitti: can you nominate bug 775608 and bug 746375 for series natty? And set set importance to critical for 775608? I will then subscribe ubuntu-sru. Im unsure about who is to assign the "verification-needed" tag.
[10:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 775608 in libreoffice "[Upstream] Libreoffice Calc's PRODUCT function doesn't calculate correctly with certain array formulas" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775608
[10:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746375 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in uno_type_sequence_construct()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746375
[10:44] <pitti> Sweetshark: v-needed will be done by sru team when accepting the fix
[10:45] <pitti> Sweetshark: done
[10:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: Ok, this is finished for my part. You would need to take over for sponsoring etc.
[10:52] <pitti> Sweetshark: can you please upload the source package (to "natty-proposed") to chinstrap again?
[10:52] <pitti> (or PPA)
[10:53] <pitti> but PPA would waste buildd power
[10:55] <Sweetshark> pitti: I am already wasting: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1711276/+listing-archive-extra
[10:55] <pitti> Sweetshark: do you have a version with a better changelog for the second one?
[10:56] <chrisccoulson> heh, it seems the PPA builders are a bit behind
[10:56] <pitti> Sweetshark: i. e. which describes the actual problem instead of "tentative patch"?
[10:56] <seb128> hum
[10:56] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[10:56] <seb128> pitti, wasn't remmina blocked by the security team?
[10:56] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:56] <pitti> seb128: yes, but for IMHO weird reasons; tsclient isn't any better
[10:57] <seb128> pitti, right, well I was just wondering if you talked to kees about it
[10:57] <pitti> not yet
[10:57] <pitti> easier at UDS when Kees, Robert, and we are all in the same TZ
[10:58] <seb128> ok, I just got confused by the work iteam
[10:58] <seb128> item
[10:58] <seb128> let's discuss it next week ;-)
[10:58] <pitti> iTeam sounds like a shiny new apple product, let's register it!
[10:59] <seb128> ;-)
[11:05] <Sweetshark> pitti: uploaded to chinstrap
[11:06] <pitti> Sweetshark: hm, needs to go to natty-proposed, not natty (see above)
[11:06] <pitti> Sweetshark: urgency is irrelevant for Ubuntu, FYI (doesn't hurt to set it to high, but won't do anything)
[11:14] <Sweetshark> pitti: fixed
[11:16] <pitti> Sweetshark: uploaded, thanks!
[11:24] <seb128> pitti, doing a gdm merge on debian would be a challenge but if someone feels like doing it ;-)
[11:24] <pitti> seb128: I added a question mark to it; but at some point we want to upgrade to gdm3 anyway, right?
[11:25] <pitti> seb128: and at that point we should at least rename our package to gdm3; we don't actually need to merge the Debian changes if that's impractical
[11:25] <pitti> but I guess the bigger challenge is to port gdmsetup etc. to gdm3 (in case it's actually necessary)
[11:25] <seb128> right
[11:25] <seb128> we will upgrade to gdm3 this cycle I guess
[11:25] <pitti> updated pad
[11:26] <pitti> seb128: also depends if we'll switch to lightdm by default; if we do, we might be able to drop a lot of patches
[11:26] <seb128> well, maybe
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> aren't most of the features of gdmsetup in control-center now?
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> i think they were last time i tried a fedora live CD
[11:29] <seb128> we need to rebase our gdm on accountsservice I guess
[11:31] <seb128> pitti, the issue so far is that nobody though merging gdm on debian was worth the effort
[11:31] <Sweetshark> pitti: who should be the approver blueprints desktop-o-libreoffice-communities and desktop-o-libreoffice-packaging? You? Or jasoncwarner? They would need to be approved for UDS, right?
[11:31] <jbicha> gdm3 is in the PPA
[11:31] <seb128> it's like going to take over a day of work and not going to bring any value especially if we want to switch away from using it
[11:32] <seb128> jbicha, there is a broken version in the ppa yes
[11:32] <Sweetshark> pitti: doh, you are already the approver
[11:32] <seb128> like distro patches, gdmsetup, integration etc got commented
[11:32] <jbicha> dunno, works for me
[11:32] <pitti> seb128: approver means approving the content of the spec for implementation, not ack'ing for UDS
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, wrong s<tab>? ;-)
[11:33] <pitti> sorry
[11:33] <pitti> Sweetshark: approver means approving the content of the spec for implementation, not ack'ing for UDS
[11:33] <Sweetshark> pitti: ah, now I can hear you ;)
[11:35] <Sweetshark> pitti: ok, I already mailed jasoncwarner1 about it, so when we should do something about the blueprints on UDS I'd assume its taken care of.
[11:36] <pitti> Sweetshark: accepted for uds-o and oneiric
[11:38] <Sweetshark> pitti: ah, great!
[11:39]  * Sweetshark is beginning to get conditioned to nag pitti with random tasks.
[11:39]  * pitti is beginning to think he accumulated way too many team memberships over the yeasrs
[11:43] <jbicha> oh, now that I think about it, gdm does something weird to my $PATH
[11:44] <seb128> jbicha, it probably does to your locales as well
[11:58] <rodrigo_> ugh, was disconnected
[11:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, so what you told me yesterday about rebasing from debian, so what's the proper way to do it? I have branched trunk and applied the diff from the debian branch, and then I go over all the changes in our branch, right?
[12:01] <seb128> rodrigo_, not sure what is the proper way to merge on debian, pitti and other probably are closer than me from a "clean" way
[12:01] <seb128> https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html has diffs
[12:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, there is a bzr merge-package which works as well for things with sources in debian
[12:02] <rodrigo_> ah, cool
[12:03] <seb128> the way I do it is probably old school
[12:03] <seb128> I diff the debian dirs between current ubuntu and debian
[12:03] <seb128> then reapply changesets and list those in the changelog manually
[12:03] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:04] <seb128> on whatever way is easier
[12:04] <seb128> like I might copy the debian control.in file over our version and readd the vcs and ubuntu maintainer if that's easier this way
[12:04] <seb128> or just keep the vcs version and document the diff if there is nothing from debian to take
[12:04] <seb128> but I guess you got what I mean there
[12:05] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, some things are easier to do manually
[12:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, one way to do it easily is take the vcs, copy the debian dir over and clean the bzr diff
[12:06] <seb128> debian dir = the one coming from the debian source
[12:06] <rodrigo_> seb128, but the changelog, we keep the whole debian one, + one entry with the ubuntu specific changes, right?
[12:06] <seb128> so you have the diff in bzr
[12:06] <rodrigo_> yes
[12:06] <seb128> and the goal is to have only useful things to Ubuntu remaining
[12:06] <seb128> it also allow you to bzr revert one file if there was no useful addition in debian
[12:06] <seb128> some people do merge the changelogs but I usually just summarize the diff in the current upload
[12:07] <seb128> see eog or the gedit upload I just did
[12:07] <rodrigo_> ok, I think that's the easiest
[12:07] <seb128> ok
[12:07] <seb128> time for lunch there, bbl
[12:09] <chrisccoulson> has anyone upgraded to oneiric yet?
[12:09] <pitti> I traditionally upgrade on UDS Friday afternoon
[12:09] <seb128> same here, I need a working laptop for UDS
[12:10] <seb128> so I'm just doing the merges on natty until then ;-)
[12:10] <seb128> ok, lunch, bbl
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> heh, i think i'll probably wait too ;)
[12:11] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, usually upgrading before going to a conference is a way of looking for problems :-)
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, i like problems ;)
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> keeps things exciting!
[12:14] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, i'm really starting to hate bzr
[12:15] <chrisccoulson> that's twice in a few weeks that my branch has screwed up and i can't push it to launchpad
[12:15] <jbicha> I'm crazy, I'm using Oneiric now
[12:15] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, :)
[12:15] <rodrigo_> so, what's the replacement for the .gconf-defaults files for gsettings?
[12:16] <orange1> hi all  - trying to get workrave going in unity - it used to be an applet - pointers would be appreciated....
[12:17] <Laney> rodrigo_: debian/package.gsettings-override
[12:17] <Laney> see dh_installgsettings(1)
[12:17] <rodrigo_> Laney, ok cool
[12:18] <Laney> needs debhelper >= 8.1.3 too
[12:19] <rodrigo_> hmm, natty only has 8.1.2ubuntu4
[12:21] <Laney> yeah, O only
[12:21] <Laney> or -backports
[12:26] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:26] <rodrigo_> I'll add a work item for now
[12:28] <Laney> you can probably install Oneiric's debhelper in Natty tbh
[12:29] <rodrigo_> Laney, yes, sure, just want to finish this merge, it's been taking me a few days now
[12:30] <Laney> well, oneiric chroots are easy to create :-)
[12:32] <rodrigo_> Laney, yes, I will do it as soon as I've got some time
[12:43] <rodrigo_> what's the file to change so that 'oneiric' is understood by dpkg-buildpackage & co?
[12:43] <rodrigo_> I always forget
[13:18] <seb128> re
[13:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, we have overrides for gsettings
[13:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, right
[13:21] <rodrigo_> seb128, btw, just pushed g-s-d rebase to ubuntu-desktop branch, if you want to do a quick review before I upload
[13:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, can do in a bit
[13:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, no hurry, will go out for lunch in a bit, so no hurry :)
[13:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, I will have it reviewed for when you come back from lunch
[13:22] <desrt> seb128: ahah.  i found you.
[13:22] <desrt> can you package something for me?
[13:22] <seb128> you are next in the queue
[13:22] <desrt> rodrigo_: you will come next week?
[13:23] <rodrigo_> desrt, to budapest? yes
[13:23] <rodrigo_> I arrive on Sunday
[13:23] <rodrigo_> desrt, you're there already?
[13:23] <desrt> yes
[13:23] <rodrigo_> ok, cool
[13:25] <rodrigo_> ok, lunch now, bbl
[13:28] <desrt> DBO: hey steve
[13:30]  * pitti hugs desrt
[13:30] <desrt> pitti: hi :)
[13:30] <desrt> pitti: i want to talk to you next week about umask
[13:30] <pitti> desrt: DBO is Jason, not a Steve :)
[13:30] <desrt> because i am very confused
[13:31] <desrt> pitti: no.  he's steve. :)
[13:31] <pitti> now I am very confused as well
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> me too
[13:31] <desrt> jason is across the table from me
[13:31] <desrt> if you want confusion, perhaps we should start calling jason rick instead of steve jason
[13:32] <desrt> pitti: do you have any awareness of what happened, exactly?
[13:32] <desrt> (with umask)
[13:32] <pitti> desrt: about umask?
[13:32] <desrt> ya.
[13:32] <desrt> i thought it was done in brussels
[13:32] <desrt> then it was reversed or something
[13:32] <pitti> hmm, apparently nobody actually implemented it
[13:32] <desrt> lol.
[13:33] <desrt> it was adding one line to a file and deleting a line from another :)
[13:34] <pitti> hmm, Assignee: desrt; that was probably inadequate then?
[13:34] <desrt> well
[13:34] <desrt> considering that i don't have the ability to upload...
[13:35] <pitti> right, it just apparently fell off everyone else's radar
[13:35]  * pitti accepts for oneiric and assigns to himself
[13:35] <desrt> great.  thanks. :)
[14:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, let me know when you are back
[15:08] <rodrigo_> seb128, I'm back
[15:10] <rodrigo_> I'll try again: what's the file to edit to add oneiric to the list of known ubuntu versions, so that bzr-builddeb works? :)
[15:13] <cyphermox> rodrigo_, isn't that usually backported or something?
[15:14] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, I remember having edited one file for natty, months ago, to make it work
[15:14] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:14] <rodrigo_> but I don't remember which file
[15:14] <rodrigo_> and i can't really find it
[15:14] <cyphermox> which error do you get?
[15:14]  * cyphermox has already switched to oneiric
[15:14] <rodrigo_> 'oneiric not known' or something like that
[15:15] <cyphermox> but does it say something before that, like dpkg-source or whatever?
[15:15] <rodrigo_> let me try again
[15:16] <rodrigo_> hmm, seems to start building the package ok now
[15:16] <cyphermox> ok
[15:16]  * rodrigo_ waits for it to finish
[15:16] <cyphermox> might be dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/builddeb/util.py though
[15:16] <pitti> good bye everyone, see you tomorrow!
[15:16] <cyphermox> ciao pitti
[15:16] <rodrigo_> bye pitti
[15:18] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, yes, that one, I guess it was updated in my last system update
[15:18] <rodrigo_> it now contains oneiric indeed
[15:18] <cyphermox> yeah it's possible
[15:19] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, already switched to oneiric? and dist-upgraded? any problem so far?
[15:19] <cyphermox> no, but it's gotta come eventually ;)
[15:19] <rodrigo_> yeah :)
[15:19] <cyphermox> actually, I had a dist-upgrade to do this morning, I'm just about to reboot
[15:19] <rodrigo_> ok, if you're not back, we'll know why :)
[15:19] <cyphermox> indded
[15:20]  * cyphermox reboots
[15:37] <seb128> rodrigo_, sorry I as pulled into a session
[15:38] <seb128> rodrigo_, so small comments on g-s-d
[15:38] <seb128> the first one is the current commit text, you probably want to limit to the current changelog and not let it list all the debian changelog entries you add
[15:38] <vuntz> robert_ancell: ping
[15:38] <robert_ancell> vuntz, hello
[15:38] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[15:38] <vuntz> robert_ancell: hi my friend
[15:38] <vuntz> robert_ancell: are you still using http://people.gnome.org/~vuntz/tmp/versions/ ?
[15:39] <seb128> robert_ancell, what are you still doing up so late?
[15:39] <seb128> vuntz, we do
[15:39] <vuntz> robert_ancell: if yes, you might want to be aware of a few changes :-)
[15:39] <vuntz> ah
[15:39] <robert_ancell> vuntz, cheers for the gcalctool uploading
[15:39] <vuntz> seb128: well, I prefer to talk to robert_ancell and not you :-P
[15:39] <robert_ancell> sure are
[15:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, just got to budapest
[15:39]  * vuntz hugs seb128
[15:39] <seb128> vuntz, ok great, I didn't want to talk to you either
[15:39] <vuntz> heh
[15:39] <seb128> robert_ancell, joining the somehands?
[15:39] <vuntz> oh, it's uds soon
[15:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, yup
[15:39] <vuntz> hope you'll have fun there
[15:39] <vuntz> a few things
[15:39] <seb128> robert_ancell, we are at the dx, design sprint today if you want to come and say hello
[15:40] <seb128> it's at the first floor on the left of the building
[15:40] <vuntz> - there's now versions-stable-extras and versions-unstable-extras
[15:40] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, will head up in a while
[15:40] <vuntz> (those can be used to track everything on ftp.gnome.org that is not part of the release sets -- ie, not part of gnome-stable/gnome-unstable)
[15:40] <vuntz> - there can be one than more line for a module
[15:40] <seb128> robert_ancell, second comment is that usually we try to keep the changelog description for patches rather than just list everything with "ubuntu patches"
[15:40] <vuntz> for instance: glib:1.2.10 and glib:2.28.6
[15:40] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, what do you mean? I copied debian's changelog and just added one entry
[15:40] <vuntz> this happens for branches
[15:41] <seb128> rodrigo_, bzr log and see the commit description from the most recent commit?
[15:41] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, right
[15:41] <vuntz> so you need to make sure you take the right glib (not the first one, but the one with the higher version, for instance)
[15:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, do we still need 02_missing_libs.patch?
[15:42] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, seems so, although haven't really tried removing it
[15:42] <robert_ancell> vuntz, I think I already do that as I had to differentiate between the mobile and normal packages
[15:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, is that distro specific?
[15:43] <vuntz> robert_ancell: in case you have anything weird, just tell me
[15:43] <robert_ancell> vuntz, will do, cheers
[15:43] <vuntz> robert_ancell: there's one issue I'm aware of: dia is listed with version "1". But that's a bug on ftp.gnome.org actually
[15:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, seems so, doesn't seems to fail on any other distro
[15:43] <seb128> weird
[15:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, so how do I fix the log entry? bzr revert and commit again?
[15:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, don't bother for this one
[15:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, we might not need it anymore, just left it there just in case
[15:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, so diff with debian has
[15:44] <seb128> -               libgnome-desktop-3-dev (>= 2.91.5),
[15:44] <seb128> +               libgnome-desktop-3-dev (>= 2.91.93),
[15:44] <seb128> is that needed?
[15:44] <seb128> if it is we should forward that to debian so they fix it
[15:44] <seb128> otherwise we should drop it
[15:44] <seb128> we should drop the debian vcs control lines as well so debcheckout doesn't get confused
[15:45] <rodrigo_> seb128, I think it's indeed needed because of some API changes there were, although upstream checks for 2.91.5 indeed
[15:45] <rodrigo_> let me check gnome-desktop source
[15:46] <seb128> rodrigo_, we add a .gconf-defaults which is not listed in the changelog summary, still needed?
[15:46] <rodrigo_> seb128, needs to be converted to gsettings, but since it needs oneiric debhelper version, I just added a work item to the blueprint
[15:46] <seb128> the postinst diff is not needed since we don't support update from before the lts and it has a version newer than the one concerned
[15:47] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, ideally we should still list it in the changelog so full merge we have a summary in the changelog
[15:47] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[15:48] <seb128> rodrigo_, otherwise great work, those are really minor nitpick
[15:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, you mean removing the .postinst file?
[15:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, no the diff
[15:49] <seb128> -    if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt-nl "2.26.1"; then
[15:49] <seb128> -        rm -f /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-settings-daemon.desktop
[15:49] <seb128> -    fi
[15:50] <rodrigo_> ah, I removed that?
[15:50] <seb128> that's a diff we had that we can drop
[15:50] <seb128> i.e get back closer from debian
[15:50] <seb128> just copy their postinst
[15:50] <rodrigo_> it's dropped in trunk now
[15:50] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[15:51] <rodrigo_> ok, so the libgnome-desktop-3-dev version check, the postinst, anything else?
[15:51] <rodrigo_> before I push?
[15:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, ideally you would keep the changelog description of each patch and what they do
[15:52] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, cf the 2.30.1-1ubuntu1 changelog entry from the natty source
[15:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, otherwise it's fine, nice work ;-)
[15:53] <jhunt_> hi all - you might be interested in bug 777011. If we can fix this, it may well boost gnome/Unity performance.
[15:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 777011 in gdk-pixbuf "gdk-pixbuf uses temporary files when loading xpm images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777011
[15:54] <seb128> pitti, can we drop our libnotify double source to get back on debian on the naming of the binaries?
[15:54] <Laney> rodrigo_: if you are packaging for oneiric, what's wrong with build-depending on the appropriate debhelper version and using installgsettings?
[15:54] <seb128> jhunt_, do we use xpm images?
[15:54] <Laney> also it looks like the version should be -1ubuntu1 not -2ubuntu1 :-)
[15:55] <jhunt_> seb128: seemingly for everything - every mouse click and every scroll wheel move creates a ton of tmp files.
[15:55] <rodrigo_> Laney, nothing wrong
[15:55] <seb128> weird, it's worth bringing up to dx I guess
[15:55] <rodrigo_> Laney, I'm just building for oeniric in natty, that's the "problem"
[15:56] <Laney> right, I use sbuild for that
[15:56] <rodrigo_> Laney, yes, will set it up as soon as I've got time, as I told you before
[15:57] <Laney> ok ok, just trying to help
[15:57] <rodrigo_> Laney, yes, I know, thanks :)
[15:57] <rodrigo_> Laney, just want to finish this merge and add work items for the remaining issues, so that I can move to merge other stuff from the gnome3 ppa
[15:58] <rodrigo_> we have lots of patches to rebase, so those take precedence
[16:00] <dpm> seb128, pitti, I've got a blueprint to discuss enabling upstream translation imports from bzr branches into Ubuntu source packages, as the LP feature is now complete, mind if I add you as "participation essential"?
[16:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, 06_use_application_indicator.patch looks wrong
[16:00] <rodrigo_> seb128, why?
[16:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, the configure.ac checks for appindicator-0.1
[16:00] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm
[16:00] <seb128> shouldn't that be appindicator3-0.1
[16:01] <seb128> i.e the gtk3 version?
[16:01] <rodrigo_> yes, good catch :)
[16:02] <seb128> did that got any testing in the ppa? just curious I would have though that mixing gtk version would make it exit due to symbols conflict
[16:04] <rodrigo_> seb128, it was disabled in the ppa
[16:04] <seb128> oh ok
[16:04] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, pushed all fixes, if you want to do a quick review, I'll upload as soon as it looks ok
[16:04] <rodrigo_> the patches would need lots of testing, I'm just rebasing blindly for now
[16:05] <rodrigo_> although I guess I can just install the package I build :)
[16:05] <seb128> ok, seems like for system component we should have a least one run with it before uploading
[16:05] <seb128> would be nice
[16:05] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, building and installing now
[16:06] <seb128> rodrigo_, version should be 1ubuntu1 not 2ubuntu1
[16:06] <seb128> otherwise looks fine to upload after a round of testing and running it
[16:06] <rodrigo_> ok, thanks for the review
[16:07] <seb128> rodrigo_, yw
[18:24] <dobey> hrmm, it is so quiet
[18:56] <kklimonda> jcastro: fta yeah, I've been looking into integrating Transmission into Unity launcher, but I'm not sure what info I should provide - using progress bar doesn't really fit Transmission imo, I'll add an emblem for "turtle mode" for sure
[18:56] <jcastro> what's turtle mode?
[18:56] <jcastro> sounds neat
[18:56] <kklimonda> bah, another review of Unity where it's described as a good idea that "has been killed by rushing it too fast".
[18:56] <kklimonda> jcastro: it's a temprary speel limit mode.
[18:56] <jcastro> oh, cool, yeah
[18:59] <bryceh> should call it tortoise mode
[19:07] <dobey> kklimonda: launchers don't have emblems
[19:10] <dobey> kklimonda: that was removed
[19:10] <dobey> kklimonda: i think you could probably set the number of current transfers on the launcher though, and unity will ad the (NN) emblemy thing on it
[21:01] <fta> kklimonda, hey, wrt to transmission, i expect something like chromium and ff download progress bars, and maybe a counter with the remaining active downloads
[21:02] <fta> kklimonda, imho, no need to report anything about uploads/seeds.
[21:02] <fta> jcastro, ^^


[02:10] <nit-wit> AlanG2, not quite as busy but great help here.;)
[03:13] <ApOgEE> hello all
[04:02] <truepurple> I had a usb flash drive folder that i accidently did something to, now I can't find it, how do I find out what happened to it?
[04:07] <ApOgEE> truepurple: did u unmount it?
[04:07] <truepurple> I might have accidently moved it or something
[04:07] <truepurple> I was trying to open it, but I messed up in my mouse movement
[04:08] <ApOgEE> check with this command on terminal: sudo mount
[04:08] <ApOgEE> if you can see your flash drive is mounted, then just go to the dir
[04:08] <truepurple> it says a bunch of stuff I don't understand
[04:09] <ApOgEE> copy & paste it to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and give me the link
[04:10] <truepurple> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614007/
[04:11] <ApOgEE> i see...
[04:11] <ApOgEE> the /media/2 is your second partition
[04:12] <ApOgEE> so, you don't have your usb flash drive mounted
[04:12] <ApOgEE> just unplug and replug again will do
[04:13] <truepurple> I did that
[04:13] <ApOgEE> then?
[04:13] <ApOgEE> it didn't automount?
[04:14] <truepurple> I did that before I even came in here
[04:14] <holstein> truepurple: and it didnt auto-mount?
[04:14] <truepurple> Thats what I said
[04:15] <holstein> truepurple: so thats a no?
[04:15] <truepurple> Well I said I did that before I came in, and apogee said its not mounted, so clearly it didn't automount
[04:16] <holstein> the media i have like that, that wont auto-mount, is bad in some way or other
[04:17] <ApOgEE> truepurple: can you find your usb drive in : fdisk -l
[04:17] <ApOgEE> ?
[04:17] <ApOgEE> $ sudo fdisk -l
[04:17] <truepurple> put that as a terminal command?
[04:17] <ApOgEE> yes
[04:17] <ApOgEE> sudo fdisk -l
[04:18] <ApOgEE> then paste the output on pastebin again
[04:18] <truepurple> not there
[04:18] <truepurple>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[04:19] <truepurple> dd
[04:19] <holstein> truepurple: if it were my drive, i would take it to another machine, and see if it mounts, or shows up
[04:19] <truepurple> dev/sda1               1      243202<PHONE_NUMBER>+  ee  GPT
[04:21] <truepurple> It was mounted and working before, the drive was fine, I just mismoved my mouse or something when trying to open it and it disappeared
[04:23]  * ApOgEE gtg
[04:24] <holstein> truepurple: can you try it in another machine though?
[04:24] <holstein> just to confirm*
[04:24] <truepurple> Confirm what?
[04:24] <holstein> truepurple: that the USB stick is functional
[04:25] <truepurple> Why would a misclick destroy the functionality of the usb drive?
[04:25] <truepurple> I mean how could it
[04:25] <holstein> well, im proposing the stick died
[04:25] <holstein> we can go around for a long while troubleshooting a dead stick, which is exactly the behavior i would expect from a bad USB stick
[04:28] <truepurple> how could I kill the stick from a misclick?
[04:28] <holstein> truepurple: im proposing you didnt
[04:28] <holstein> what im saying is, the stick went bad, and whatever you did is irrelevant
[04:28] <truepurple> I will try it
[04:28] <holstein> BUT, just plug it in another machine, and if it boots, then thats *not* the case
[04:29] <holstein> and we can look at your OS configuration
[04:31] <truepurple> well its light does flash when its in
[04:31] <holstein> truepurple: we dont know what that means though
[04:32] <holstein> if you cant get it to mount as expected on another machine
[04:32] <holstein> then, i think its safe to assume its the stick and not the OS
[04:32] <holstein> the light could just mean the computer/os is trying to mount it, causing the activity light to blink
[05:23] <truepurple> I tested it on my other PC, it works
[05:23] <truepurple> holstein: You still there?
[05:23] <holstein> truepurple: hmmm, wonder whats gotten borked then...
[05:24] <holstein> truepurple: i would probably do the usually stuff, check and apply updates, restart
[05:24] <holstein> see what happens and go from there
[05:26] <truepurple> How would I manually remount the drive?
[05:27] <holstein> truepurple: if you dont see it in sudo fdisk -l, then you cant AFAIK
[05:27] <holstein> the OS needs to see it, then you can mount it where ever you like
[05:28] <holstein> truepurple: i would reboot, then plug the stick and if you dont see it show up, open a terminal and run
[05:28] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[05:28] <holstein> you should see it there, something like /dev/sdb1 probably*
[05:30] <truepurple> I see a "/dev/sda1"
[05:31] <holstein> truepurple: you can pastebin the output if you like, but if you just see one...
[05:31] <holstein> /dev/sda*
[05:31] <holstein> thats going to be your hard drive
[10:32] <Klojum> 50+ people and nobody is talking, hehe...
[10:32] <Klojum> Anyone up for a VNC Server question? With several computers in my network, how do I change the VNC default listening port (5900) on Ubuntu 11.04 ..?
[12:34] <nick_> Hi :D somebody who can help me here?
[12:35] <tsimpson> you'd probably need to ask a question first, plus it's a weekend and everything...
[12:37] <duanedesign> !question
[12:37] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[12:38] <nick_> so, I installed ubuntu 11.04. The first thing i do is setting the screen resolution right. But now there's some kind of fuzziness (small flashing blue pixels) on my screen..
[12:39] <duanedesign> nick_: all over the screen?
[12:40] <nick_> no on certain places on my screen, it forms small lines of blue pixels that flash
[12:40] <nick_> i already rebooted, and updated my drivers
[12:42] <duanedesign> nick_: what card do you have? You can use this command:    lspci -nn | grep VGA
[12:43] <nick_> this one:        ATI Technologies Inc M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4500 Series] [1002:9553]
[12:49] <duanedesign> nick_: do you know which driver you are usiing?
[12:49] <duanedesign> looks like that card uses the open source version and not the fglrx/Catalyst
[12:52] <nick_> ok, how do i install the other driver?
[12:55] <duanedesign> i take that back:)
[12:55] <duanedesign> nick_: it does use the fglrx. sorry
[12:55] <nick_> no problem
[12:56] <nick_> so i need the open source driver?
[12:56] <duanedesign> your card can use the proprietary driver which works better
[12:57] <duanedesign> proprietary == fglrx
[12:59] <duanedesign> nick_: did you install the driver by going to "Hardware Drivers"?
[13:01] <nick_> no
[13:01] <duanedesign> so it was already installed?
[13:01] <duanedesign> What version of ubuntu?
[13:01] <nick_> 11.04
[13:04] <duanedesign> nick_: Can  you open the Dash by clicking the Ubuntu logo in the upper left and trping in the Search 'additional'. You should see an entry for additional drivers. Click to open that
[13:04] <lucky105> hello !! I m new here....unable to install gnome3..
[13:05] <duanedesign> hello lucky105
[13:06] <lucky105> hi duanedesign
[13:06] <duanedesign> lucky105: their is a PPA for installing Gnome3 but it is for Natty only
[13:06] <duanedesign> lucky105: are you running 11.04?
[13:07] <lucky105> ya !! used that ppa but it crashed unity !!!
[13:08] <lucky105> gnome3 also didnt installed
[13:08] <lucky105> I have to remove it through my kde
[13:09] <duanedesign> lucky105: you might have to run Gnome Shell
[13:23] <leoquant> sw0rdfish, what irc client do you use?
[13:25] <leoquant> if xchat set your join delay: /set irc_join_delay 10 (the default 2 sec. is too short to be ident. by services)
[13:25] <sw0rdfish> :)
[13:26] <sw0rdfish> i actually did do that a week ago
[13:26] <sw0rdfish> seems
[13:26] <sw0rdfish> no effect
[13:32] <leoquant> set your nickserv as serverpass: sw0rdfish:topsecretpassblowfish
[13:33] <leoquant> mind the:
[13:34]  * duanedesign waves at leoquant
[13:35] <leoquant> ツ
[13:36] <leoquant> otherwise: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6332/prevent-xchat-from-trying-to-join-channels-until-i-have-been-authenticated  using the sasl script
[13:36] <leoquant>  /sasl set freenode your_nick your_password plain
[13:36] <leoquant>  /sasl save
[13:36] <leoquant>  /save
[13:48] <sw0rdfish> speaking of sasl
[13:48] <sw0rdfish> sasl has to authenticate every single time
[13:48] <sw0rdfish> i connect???
[13:48] <sw0rdfish> leoquant, ?
[13:50] <leoquant> no
  /sasl set freenode your_nick your_password plain
  /sasl save
  /save
[13:51] <leoquant> makes a  sasl directory
[13:52] <leoquant> in your ./xchat2
[13:53] <leoquant> you could experiment with it, back-up your working ./xhat2
[13:54] <leoquant> and make some noise ツ
[13:55] <leoquant> brb
[13:58] <sw0rdfish> done
[13:58] <sw0rdfish> setting up sasl
[13:59] <sw0rdfish> i can't believe it but in my script that loads with the auto command LOAD -e .xchat2/freenode
[13:59] <sw0rdfish> it tries to identify with sasl every single time i connect
[14:01] <bioterror> ofcourse it will identify you every time you connect?
[14:01] <bioterror> how else it would know that it's you
[14:03] <leoquant> hmm your ports have to change too: 7000/7070
[14:04] <leoquant>  [sw0rdfish] is using a secure connection
[14:04] <leoquant> indeed done
[14:09] <sw0rdfish> well does it do it on its own
[14:09] <sw0rdfish> should i remove the sasl commands on my auto script
[14:10] <sw0rdfish> there is the same command on my auto script
[14:10] <sw0rdfish> meaning it runs every single time i connect
[14:11] <sw0rdfish> no one told me /sasl -set should be a one-time thing, only!
[14:11] <sw0rdfish> :)
[14:11] <leoquant> ツ
[14:12] <sw0rdfish> :o how do you do that
[14:12] <sw0rdfish> i removed the /sasl command from my script and set the delay
[14:12] <sw0rdfish> to 15 seconds from 10
[14:14] <leoquant> in ./xchat you could remove the sasl set-up....but i like it very much in combin. with join-delay
[14:15] <leoquant> sasl auth is the name of it
[14:16] <leoquant> it is a very reliable set-up sasl xchat(script) with join delay, no more double joining, one uncloaked the other cloaked
[14:18] <leoquant> and indeed the sasl set-up has to be done once:)
[14:19] <rebelldoR> check
[14:19] <stlsaint> leoquant: o/
[14:19] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: roger
[14:20] <leoquant> o/
[14:20] <rebelldoR> haha
[14:20] <stlsaint> leoquant: how ya been
[14:20] <rebelldoR> fine you
[14:21] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: so so
[14:21] <rebelldoR> have u leveling up your grade to advance user
[14:22] <stlsaint> huh?
[14:22] <rebelldoR> on ubuntu system
[14:22] <rebelldoR> i am new with this OS
[14:23] <rebelldoR> thought so many to learn
[14:23] <stlsaint> oh ok
[14:23] <stlsaint> well welcome aboard
[14:23] <rebelldoR> ty
[14:24] <rebelldoR> wanna help me
[14:25] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: what is your issue?
[14:28] <stlsaint> or not.....
[14:30] <rebelldoR> bout command
[14:30] <stlsaint> what command
[14:33] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: ??
[14:34] <rebelldoR> yes
[14:35] <rebelldoR> i am trying to message using other window
[14:35] <rebelldoR> but failed
[14:36] <rebelldoR> we use /q nick to chat with specific user right
[14:36] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: what irc client are you using?
[14:36] <rebelldoR> irssi
[14:37] <rebelldoR> i am newbie
[14:37] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: cool i use irssi as well
[14:38] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: so you want to send someone a private message??
[14:38] <rebelldoR> yyup
[14:38] <rebelldoR> did u get my private message
[14:38] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: the command in irssi is: /query
[14:39] <stlsaint> no, put: /query
[14:39] <stlsaint> then my username
[14:39] <stlsaint> so: /query <username> (without the <>)
[14:39] <rebelldoR> but it says /q is work as well as typing /query
[14:41] <stlsaint> sure sure
[14:41] <stlsaint> i never use /q just query
[14:41] <rebelldoR> lemme try
[14:42] <rebelldoR> did u get  my message
[14:43] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: no
[14:43] <stlsaint> rebelldoR: show me the command you are using
[14:44] <rebelldoR> :/query +stlsaint
[14:44] <rebelldoR> without :
[14:45] <stlsaint> remove the +
[14:46] <rebelldoR> i guess it works
[15:36] <sw0rdfish> leoquant, what about now
[15:36] <sw0rdfish> did i join, with my vhost?
[15:36] <stlsaint> 17:35 -!- sw0rdfish [~Johnson@unaffiliated/robinux] has joined #ubuntu-beginners
[15:37] <sw0rdfish> :D
[15:37] <sw0rdfish> thank you sir
[15:38] <sw0rdfish> so logged in as root, to change the passwd of sw0rdfish
[15:38] <sw0rdfish> passwd sw0rdfish?
[15:38] <sw0rdfish> btw i'm not sure but i think i got hacked a few minutes ago
[15:39] <holstein> Johnson is your user right?
[15:39] <holstein> sw0rdfish is your nick
[15:39] <sw0rdfish> my laptop shut off by itself and didn't wanna start again, i removed ethernet cable and power and externall hdd cables and then it accepted to power up haha
[15:40] <sw0rdfish> yep
[15:40] <holstein> sw0rdfish: sounds like a hardware issue to me
[15:44] <sw0rdfish> holstein: heh, yeah buddy, it could be
[15:51] <leoquant> sw0rdfish, would you please rejoin this channel?
[15:53] <leoquant> or did you got your cloak without troubles now?
[15:55] <leoquant> ah stlsaint gave you some feedback....
[15:56] <sw0rdfish> yep yep
[15:57] <stlsaint> yo
[17:19] <lucky105> hi, my gwibber doesn't show tweets in natty..however it worked fine in 10.10...
[17:51] <yax51> hello
[17:52] <yax51> I'm trying to install ubuntu voa USB stick, is there a USB creator that I should be usuing other then the one suggested by ubuntu? the universal USB creator?
[17:53] <yax51> *via
[17:53] <bioterror> unetbootin
[17:53] <bioterror> or that universal
[17:53] <yax51> thanks!
[18:05] <coalwater> first, hello every body :D , then what's a good download manager lol
[18:06] <hiptobecubic> coalwater, as part of a browser or ... ?
[18:06] <coalwater> no, i want an individual program
[18:06] <bioterror> wget
[18:06] <bioterror> curl
[18:06] <hiptobecubic> wget
[18:07] <coalwater> um i wanted something with like a gui and i could track several downloads together, i use wget when im on ssh or terminal
[18:07] <coalwater> is there a gui for curl or something?
[18:07] <coalwater> like a gui that uses curl internally
[18:08] <bioterror> google?
[18:08] <bioterror> ive never had aneed for th@t
[18:08] <coalwater> and another question, is there a way to control transmission (the torrent program) with cli?
[18:08] <bioterror> that
[18:09] <coalwater> ok guess ill just use wget, im fine with that
[18:09] <bioterror> transmission-cli
[18:09] <coalwater> does that use the same settings/queues and stuff as transmission-gtk ?
[18:11] <bioterror> i dunno, im a web interface user :D
[18:11] <coalwater> what about transmission-remote, just found that, is that a remote way to use it ? (that what i was actually trying to do)
[18:12] <bioterror> i have a port forward for webui
[18:13] <hiptobecubic> coalwater, remote is for the daemon
[18:22] <coalwater> i have problems with my screen resolution, tried every thing that was in the screen help page, the xorg.conf, the xrandr , and every thing, and i couldnt get my screen get above 1027x786 or w/e
[18:22] <yax51> ok I am going through the installation process of ubuntu, and by default it asks me if I want to resize windows, but I don't want to resize windows, I want to install ubuntu and not have windows....
[18:23] <coalwater> resize windows? i dont know what that means
[18:23] <coalwater> never saw that option before
[18:23] <coalwater> o wait, maybe u only have 1 drive
[18:23] <coalwater> ubuntu needs to cut a space for it self
[18:24] <coalwater> sorry, i meant 1 partition
[18:25] <coalwater> the other option would be installing ubuntu under windows, it wont modify the partition, but it will use a file that is inside the windows partition
[18:26] <yax51> I just want to wipe windows though and just have ubuntu.....
[18:27] <coalwater> do u have some personal files that u want to keep? if not there's a simple option that tells ubuntu to use the whole hard disk, and i think there's other options to wipe other operating systems
[18:29] <bioterror> yax51, then use whole disk?
[18:29] <bioterror> or do a manual partition table ;)
[18:29] <yax51> I know thats what I thought, I am wondering if it was the ISO I downloaded from the dell website, it seems to be a ubuntu light recovery disc, and not the installation disc....
[18:30] <yax51> bioterror: I would if it gave me that option
[18:31] <coalwater> yax51, maybe it's the alternative iso
[18:31] <yax51> I'm trying to install it on my dell inspiron mini net book, and was actually directed to the dell site for the ubuntu ISO, but I'm going to try the netbook ISO from the ubuntu site
[18:31] <coalwater> it doesnt have the live cd option, just takes u to command line installation directly , does that what it do ?
[18:32] <yax51> it loads up into ubuntu, does a verification check then takes me straight to asking me to resize windows, or quit
[18:33] <yax51> I really think that it's just the ISO, that it is a recovery ISO and not an install ISO
[18:34] <yax51> well I'm going to try the netbook ISO from ubuntu and see what happens
[18:58] <yax51> woot woot!! so the netbook ISO is working!!
[19:55] <Alexander12345> hello
[21:48] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[21:49] <kosaidpo> how can i get mp4 from avi using ffmpeg ?? tnx
[21:53] <holstein> kosaidpo: http://www.catswhocode.com/blog/19-ffmpeg-commands-for-all-needs seem relevant
[21:54] <kosaidpo> i already check that it doesnt work for me the mp4 i want are for phone holstein tnx
[21:55] <holstein> kosaidpo: probably need to look for a specific container that your phone can deal with then
[21:55] <kosaidpo> holstein: i have sumsang sgh-f490v ;]
[21:56] <holstein> kosaidpo: i dont, so you probaly will need to do some research :/
[21:56] <kosaidpo> holstein: okies tnx
[21:56] <holstein> i could stab in the dark, but without the unit to test with, id just be guessing...
[21:57] <holstein> The phone has a multiple video format file support - WMV, MPEG4, H.263
[21:57] <holstein> i would just try a differnt container


[06:32] <SteveH0> Has anyone successfully restored a mythconverg_backup.pl ??.tgz file?  I need to understand WHERE to run the restore program.  I have tried from my home directory and in the /var/lib/mysql directory, and both tell me that they can't do it.  While we're at it, should I be running it as me or root?
[06:33] <SteveH0> Sorry, running ubuntu 12.04 as the server.
[08:44] <a4343> Dont use MythTV on Ubuntu, it spies on you. You it on a different distro
[11:48] <SteveH0> Has anyone successfully restored a mythconverg_backup.pl ??.tgz file?  I need to understand WHERE to run the restore program.  I have tried from my home directory and in the /var/lib/mysql directory, and both tell me that they can't do it.  While we're at it, should I be running it as me or root?  Running ubuntu 12.04 as the server.
[11:54] <Jay2k1> have you read the wiki page on db backup and restore?


[11:36] <Odd_Bloke> cbolt: Yeah, you'll want to configure the list of datasources that cloud-init uses; have a look in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg for the default list, and override it by dropping an extra config snippet in a file in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/.
[11:37] <Odd_Bloke> cbolt: Alternatively, if you're using the Ubuntu (and, I assume, Debian) packaging, `dpkg-reconfigure cloud-init` should prompt you to select the ones you want.


[06:02] <bkerensa> yep yep I think I'm going to gank a good portion of the Ubuntu Developer Guide
[06:03] <bkerensa> :)
[06:03] <bkerensa> yay for creative commons