[17:23] <praveen_pk> Hey all, I am working on creating a custom Live ISO of RHEL 6. In the initrd, I mounted the final root FS and when I run the /sbin/init command, I get "init: Failed to connect to socket  /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused "
[17:23] <praveen_pk> Any suggestions on what could going wrong?


[11:32] <titanium_platypu> when I try to install Dapper Drake, the final version, it gets to about 66% or 67% installed and then everything just freezes up.  It didn't do that with Flight 7.  can anybody help me? TIA
[11:32] <dtygel> neutrinomass: it's just crazy! ctrl-x deletes the file directly
[11:33] <neutrinomass> dtygel: Thunar ?
[11:33] <dtygel> neutrinomass: no, roler
[11:33] <Cloneysocks> leachim, so, when I start up next time, I'll have to give a certain command to prevent it from going into windows?
[11:33] <dtygel> neutrinomass: roller
[11:33] <ruff> ok thanks for not helping me
[11:33] <chavo> Cloneysocks, you'll have to scroll down and choose ubuntu
[11:33] <dtygel> krazykit: not in this case: ctrl-x cuts
[11:33] <LeaChim> Cloneysocks, when it boots up now you have that list of operating systems right?
[11:33] <mike_d> titanium_platypu, i tried that just now, i got an ip address but when i try to go to it with smb://ipaddress, it says no such file or directory
[11:33] <tim> neutrinomass: can i do it via synaptic
[11:33] <Cloneysocks> leachim, yeah
[11:34] <chavo> or is the menu hidden by default now
[11:34] <neutrinomass> tim: Yes.... Clieck on update-manager and select reinstall ...
[11:34] <krazykit> dtygel: that's because you're using a crummy file manager.  use thunar in the future
[11:34] <LeaChim> Cloneysocks, now, windows will be at the top and will be the default. otherwise everything is the same
[11:34] <stinkywrix> Hey guys, whenever I try to open a 2.9gb file in archiver, it gives me this.  End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
[11:34] <stinkywrix>   a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
[11:34] <stinkywrix>   latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
[11:34] <stinkywrix>   the last disk(s) of this archive.
[11:34] <stinkywrix> unzip:  cannot find zipfile directory in one of /home/stinkywrix/wow_client_installer_fp.zip or
[11:34] <stinkywrix>         /home/stinkywrix/wow_client_installer_fp.zip.zip, and cannot find /home/stinkywrix/wow_client_installer_fp.zip.ZIP, period.
[11:34] <neutrinomass> dtygel: roller ? Can I have the package name please ... ?
[11:34] <titanium_platypu> mike_d: I'm pretty sure you might have to use the hostname if you're going to use samba.  Maybe not.  What IP address was it?  It should be a local one, starting with 192 or 10
[11:34] <NoUse> !tell stinkywrix about paste
[11:34] <dtygel> krazykit: now I must RECOVER that file: hours reporting! I cant loose it...
[11:34] <dtygel> neutrinomass: how do I see the package name in xfce?
[11:34] <NoUse> dtygel google 'undelete ext3'
[11:34] <mike_d> titanium_platypu, <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:34] <krazykit> dtygel: well, don't do any heavy writing to the disk in the meantime
[11:35] <Cloneysocks> Leachim, Oh.  Is there a way to prevent it from prompting me and have it just boot up in Windows if I don't press a certain key?
[11:35] <roler> ok
[11:35] <tim> neutrinomass: great, thanks. that did the trick!
[11:35] <neutrinomass> dtygel: Do you remember any text from it? You can, but I HAVE NEVER TRIED IT, to cat /dev/hda1 | grep -B 1000 -A 1000 "Our sales went down down down"
[11:35] <neutrinomass> tim: You're welcome :)
[11:35] <LeaChim> Cloneysocks, it boots into ubuntu automatically does it not?
[11:35] <dtygel> nouse: I tried that google
[11:35] <chavo> Cloneysocks, you can set the timeout to 0
[11:35] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> someone help
[11:36] <roostishaw> how do i use wget to save a file as, for instance dog, instead of whatever the sever called it?
[11:36] <titanium_platypu> mike_d: so does it work using smb://<hostname>?
[11:36] <neutrinomass> dtygel: What's the name of the binary? i.e. how do you start it from the command line ?
[11:36] <dtygel> neutrinomass: I'll try it
[11:36] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> (using xubuntu) when i tried to use the ubuntu plus cd i got this error.. E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:36] <Cloneysocks> chavo, I bet that'll work.  What do I press to boot in ubuntu, then?
[11:36] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> (using xubuntu) when i tried to use the ubuntu plus cd i got this error.. E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:36] <titanium_platypu> when I try to install Dapper Drake, the final version, it gets to about 66% or 67% installed and then everything just freezes up.  It didn't do that with Flight 7.  can anybody help me? TIA
[11:36] <Cloneysocks> leachim, it prompts me to tell it which OS to go into
[11:36] <chavo> Cloneysocks, just push any key, but you'll have to be quick. I'd just set the timeout to 3
[11:36] <ompaul> titanium_platypu, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:37] <Cloneysocks> alright
[11:37] <blaze> wich program to use for dvd cleaning (rw)
[11:37] <chavo> Cloneysocks, you can also uncomment hiddenmenu
[11:37] <blaze> or baking to a dvd
[11:37] <neutrinomass> dtygel: You might have to play with the -B and -A options, 'man grep' for what they are ...
[11:37] <Cornellius> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified freeglut (billard-gl): failed to open display ':0.0'
[11:37] <tiagoboldt> blaze: gnome baker
[11:37] <Cornellius> It means ?
[11:37] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> (using xubuntu) when i tried to use the ubuntu plus cd i got this error.. E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:37] <chavo> Cloneysocks, that will make the menu hide unless you hit esc key
[11:37] <blaze> tiagoboldt: it doesn't want to clean my dvd
[11:37] <aLPHa_LeaK>  n8
[11:37] <blaze> my dvd disc, i mean
[11:37] <Cloneysocks> chavo, so, if I uncomment hiddenmenu, do I need to edit the timeout?
[11:37] <tiagoboldt> blaze: isn't it damaged?
[11:37] <__doc__> hi, I'm searching for a nice midi sequencer/sampler/synth software for ubuntu, any getting started suggestions?
[11:37] <titanium_platypu> ompaul: I'd really prefer to do a straight install....do you know why I cannot?
[11:37] <blaze> nope
[11:38] <blaze> i'll try again..
[11:38] <tiagoboldt> blaze:  try to clean the disc before
[11:38] <chavo> Cloneysocks, yes the timeout still stands
[11:38] <mike_d> titanium_platypu,doesnt work, maybe im using the wrong host name
[11:38] <roostishaw> anyone, how do i use wget to save a file as, for instance dog, instead of whatever the sever called it?
[11:38] <LeaChim> Cloneysocks, doesn't it have a timeout, so after a certain it boots ubuntu automatically?
[11:38] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> (using xubuntu) when i tried to use the ubuntu plus cd i got this error.. E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:38] <Cloneysocks> leachim, I'm unsure
[11:38] <LeaChim> it should do
[11:38] <ompaul> titanium_platypu, sorry I took it you were upgrading (which would work okay)
[11:38] <LeaChim> in menu.lst is there a timeout value?
[11:38] <d00bysnax> I am having trouble installing 6.06, it freezes up at 39%... Any ideas? Its a Dell Inspiron 2650 laptop
[11:38] <Cloneysocks> chavo, leachim, I think I got it
[11:38] <LeaChim> kk
[11:38] <Cloneysocks> I'm restarting to test it
[11:39] <penguinwhoflew> hey, it's leachim!
[11:39] <Cloneysocks> brb, hopefully >.>
[11:39] <peter_> hi can anyone help me with this error?
[11:39] <chavo> good luck :)
[11:39] <LeaChim> penguinwhoflew, yes, it is
[11:39] <penguinwhoflew> hi.
[11:39] <penguinwhoflew> anyways
[11:39] <ompaul> titanium_platypu, ehh no idea why that might happen I would suggest that you install the server, when done then sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop it can help
[11:39] <chavo> peter, just ask
[11:39] <neutrinomass> d00bysnax: Checked the CD checksum? Has it burned correctly ?
[11:39] <peter_> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid argument
[11:39] <titanium_platypu> ompaul: I am upgrading.  Right now I'm on a makeshift Ubuntu 5.10 using nothing but GAIM and Firefox trying to figure out the problem.  I just trust a straight install better than an upgrade, you know?
[11:39] <Warbo> Cornellius: Your display has a number assigned to it (so localhost:0.0 is the default, as it is running on your machine) and you also need permission to access it (that's why using sudo with a graphical program gives a warning). For some reason your display cannot be accessed
[11:39] <penguinwhoflew> how can i change the settings of my individual screensavers? like to make the text in glmatrix move faster/slower etc?
[11:39] <selaiah> !ntfs
[11:39] <ubotu> to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe. <!winfstab>
[11:40] <titanium_platypu> d00bsynax: I'm having exactly the same problem, except mine happens at 67% and I'm not on a laptop
[11:40] <Cornellius> Warbo: WHat can I do ?
[11:40] <Warbo> penguinwhoflew: I don't think you can in gnome-screensaver, but your can in xscreensaver (the old one, which gnome-screensaver is replacing)
[11:40] <mike_d> titanium_platypu, i have the ip address of my ubuntu system on my network, but when i reboot it changes, do you know of any way to keep it the same so i can vnc to it from my windows computer?
[11:40] <peter_> trying to update bcmw15,inf driver, broadcom wlan card as eth1, i have scoured the forums
[11:40] <titanium_platypu> ompaul: wow, so is installing the server and then apt-getting "ubuntu-desktop" the same thing as just installing the desktop?
[11:40] <ompaul> titanium_platypu, no, the idea here is to allow you use the computer except when you reboot after an install
[11:40] <yggdrasil> hello guy , i was trying to fix my samba and i erased my smb.conf. how can i make dpkgs reinstall it ???
[11:40] <dtygel> neutrinomass: its rox-filer
[11:40] <JINDAL> how do i install kernel[default frm installation]  source
[11:40] <NickGarvey> mike_d: smake it static
[11:41] <penguinwhoflew> Warbo: i have xscreensaver, but it would conflict with gnome-screensaver, which i couldn't figure out how to turn off
[11:41] <Warbo> Cornellius: To be honest I tried to install a package yesterday which said xlibs doesn't exist in ubuntu (well, a package with that name anyway. there is an xlibs-dev, but that is a dummy package)
[11:41] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:41] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> whats that mean
[11:41] <titanium_platypu> mike_d: Go into your network setting and use static IP instead of DHCP, then you can pick a network address, as long as you keep it valid.  I don't know why DHCP would be eccentric like that, though, unless you're on a really large network with a lot of shutdowns and reboots.
[11:41] <Warbo> penguinwhoflew: Tell gnome-screensaver "turn on screensaver when my session is idle" no
[11:42] <amortvigil> hey i got this problem i am totaly new to linux and i wanted to install marcromedia flash player but now i have to enter a instalation path  like /usr/lib/mozilla but even that didnt worke then i tried usr/lib/mozilla-firefox but that didnt work either what cani do?
[11:42] <ompaul> titanium_platypu, I would not suggest it otherwise - this is not some half crazy piece of software - basing something on a piece of software that gets called carrier grade should be a clue ;-)
[11:42] <penguinwhoflew> warbo: got it, thanks
[11:42] <NoUse> !tel amortvigil about flash
[11:42] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, NoUse
[11:42] <NoUse> !tell amortvigil about flash
[11:42] <mardi> we can't get our mic to record, any help?
[11:42] <KuLover> NoUse, can you send that to mee to please?
[11:42] <yggdrasil> i erased my smb.conf. how can i make dpkg reinstall it ??? i tried sudo apt-get and remove of samba
[11:42] <NoUse> KuLover /msg ubotu flash
[11:42] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:42] <titanium_platypu> ompaul: hehe.  So, it is the same, then, or are there any differences I should be aware of?
[11:42] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> (using xubuntu) when i tried to use the ubuntu plus cd i got this error.. E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:43] <skipster23> can somebody tell if it is possibe to load the edubuntu 6.06 desktop cd without cd bios capabillities
[11:43] <disinterested_pe> amoortvigil i installed mozilla browser and flash worked
[11:43] <KuLover> NoUse, I didnt recieve it :/
[11:43] <ompaul> mardi, double click on the little speaker top right hand corner and un mute it?
[11:43] <NoUse> !flash
[11:43] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:43] <eXistenZ> Can anyone tell me why cannot I paste pictures copied from acrobat reader into gimp?
[11:43] <NoUse> KuLover ^^
[11:43] <KuLover> !flash
[11:43] <penguinwhoflew> now, how do i install more screensavers for xscreensaver?
[11:44] <mardi> ompaul: have looked through all that, have made sure alsamixer is right too, thanks :)
[11:44] <Ca> hello?
[11:44] <ompaul> mardi, is audacity pointing to the right sound device
[11:44] <abou> I have flash plugin installed and work ok in Konqueror, but not in firefox, anyone knows what should do?
[11:44] <bladesprem06> hi all, can anybody tell me how to find out which graphics driver i have installed?
[11:44] <mardi> ompaul: audacity you say? will look
[11:44] <KuLover> Thank you NoUse and ubotu.
[11:45] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> (using xubuntu) when i tried to use the ubuntu plus cd i got this error.. E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:45] <ompaul> mardi, it is a recording program
[11:45] <Ca> can i install programs suchas limewire on ubuntu?
[11:45] <ompaul> !limewire
[11:45] <lilminime> Hi everyone. Have anyone here ever transfered a song to theyr ipod using rythmbox?
[11:45] <ubotu> first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila. Consider !frostwire as an alternative.
[11:45] <dtygel> neutrinomass: I've done the command cat /dev/hda1 with a part of the file, and it says at the end: "binary file matches with the defaullt"
[11:45] <Tobberoth> okey, sorry for this stupid question, but was it really "killall gdb" i was supposed to write?
[11:45] <disinterested_pe> bladesprem it doesnt install in firefox
[11:45] <dtygel> neutrinoimass: what does that mean?
[11:45] <dtygel> neutrinomass: is there some hope?
[11:45] <Warbo> penguinwhoflew: The screensavers are all little programs (called "hacks") which are in (I think) /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver. To install more just copy them there. I know there are some extra GLX-type ones out there somewhere.....
[11:45] <Ca> thanks
[11:45] <mardi> ompaul: we are using the stock gnome "Sound Recoreder", will look for audacity
[11:46] <titanium_platypu> ompaul: I'm also wondering if I can just do a regular installation with the "alternate" CD, rather than having to get the live desktop.  And I would really like to confirm that there will be no differences if I install the server and then apt-get ubuntu-desktop.
[11:46] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> (using xubuntu) when i tried to use the ubuntu plus cd i got this error.. E:Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2). W:signture verification failed for : cdrom/disks/dapper/release.gpg
[11:46] <bladesprem06> sorry, i mean the video card drivers
[11:46] <lilminime> Have anyone here ever transfered a song to theyr ipod using rythmbox? And if, can the explaine it here? plz.
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> mardi: The realttime-preempt patches make sound work alot better with ardour
[11:46] <kbrosnan> abou, have you looked at profile in use is a problem that stops you from using your normal profile. See here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_in_use
[11:46] <Tobberoth> lilmini, rhymbox can't do that
[11:46] <Tobberoth> it's read only
[11:46] <NoUse> !ipod
[11:46] <ubotu> info for syncing your iPod is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[11:46] <Ca> were do i get !java?
[11:47] <NoUse> !java
[11:47] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:47] <kbrosnan> abou, wrong clipboard i intended to paste http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Flash
[11:47] <lilminime> Tobberoth: read only? :O Arn't there any plugins for it?
[11:47] <Ca> thanks
[11:47] <tiagoboldt> NoUse: on fire:)
[11:47] <lilminime> Tobberoth: read only? :O Arn't there any plugins for it?
[11:47] <Tobberoth> lilminime:  Sure there are :) Check on wiki.ubuntu.com/ipod
[11:47] <Tobberoth> not sure about that URL, hold on
[11:47] <ompaul> titanium_platypu, do as you want - you can do it many ways and end up in the same place
[11:48] <titanium_platypu> okay, so can I do a regular installation with the alternate CD?
[11:48] <Jemt> Anyone in here having problems with VMWare? My laptop freezes every time I start Windows XP within the VMWare Player
[11:48] <Tobberoth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto?highlight=%28ipod%29
[11:48] <Tobberoth> That's the one :)
[11:48] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> yes you ca titanium
[11:48] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> *can
[11:48] <ompaul> titanium_platypu, yes - and you can do it any of the ways I suggested :-)
[11:48] <mardi> h3sp4wn: we are just using a lappy with onboard sounds, not sure if we need something as full featured as ardour, thanks tho :)
[11:48] <disinterested_pe> just like ymessenger wont work on ubuntu lol
[11:48] <skipster23> my bios doesn't support cd booting, how can boot the edubuntu 6.06 desktop cd
[11:48] <Tobberoth> titanium_platypu: Was it killall gdb?
[11:48] <titanium_platypu> okay, thanks, I'm going to try that first, and then the server thing.  Thanks a lot everyone.
[11:48] <neutrinomass> dtygel: sudo cat /dev/hda1 | grep -A 500 -B 500 --binary-file=text "Shut down this company"
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> mardi: Are you using it for recording a band or something ?
[11:49] <lufis> Hi, I think I fuxed my system up pretty bad. In an effort to install xgl/compiz I changed the gnome "sessions"... I restarted X and gnome loaded up, but there were no title bars on any of the windows. i.e., i couldn't close, maximize, etc any windows. Wtf gives?
[11:49] <mardi> h3sp4wn: jeez no! just voice :p
[11:49] <dtygel> neutrino: I'll try that
[11:49] <mardi> h3sp4wn: not even singing
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> mardi: ok
[11:49] <lilminime> Tobberoth: That page only said howto do it with amaroK,sure amaroK is a great player, but I preffere rythmbox if its possible, maybe anyone else can help me out?
[11:49] <Warbo> skipster23: I know GRUB (the bootloader) will easily fit onto a floppy, but I don't know if it will be able to access the CD either
[11:49] <penguinwhoflew> anyone? how do i install more screensavers to xscreensaver?
[11:49] <Tobberoth> lilminime: I don't think it's possible for rythmbox yet, but they are working on it
[11:49] <lilminime> Tobberoth: okey, sad:(
[11:50] <Warbo> penguinwhoflew: The screensavers are all little programs (called "hacks") which are in (I think) /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver. To install more just copy them there. I know there are some extra GLX-type ones out there somewhere.....
[11:50] <Tobberoth> Agreed, I love rythmbox myself :) great player
[11:50] <neutrinomass> dtygel: Be careful. The grep manpage warns that weird code may be executed (if the terminal interprets what is displayed as a command)
[11:50] <dtygel> neutrinomass: ok
[11:50] <Yoric> Mmmmhhh....
[11:50] <Tobberoth> can anyone tell me how to close down x again? forgot the commands :(
[11:50] <dtygel> neutrinomass: I'm waiting: it's doing the scan
[11:50] <NoUse> Tobberoth to restart or to stop it?
[11:50] <Yoric> Tobberoth, ctrl-alt-backspace.
[11:51] <Tobberoth> i go ctrl+alt+F1
[11:51] <Yoric> I'm trying to install Opera in Dapper and it complains about missing xlibs.
[11:51] <redrumz> gmd Tobberoth
[11:51] <Tobberoth> then write killall
[11:51] <Tobberoth> something
[11:51] <Tobberoth> gmd!
[11:51] <Tobberoth> thanks
[11:51] <ompaul> !enter
[11:51] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[11:51] <ompaul> Tobberoth, ^^ up a line or two please ;-0
[11:51] <Yoric> Any suggestion ?
[11:51] <Tobberoth> what do you mean ompaul?
[11:51] <neutrinomass> dtygel: The shorter text you grep for, the greater are your chances of finding it.
[11:51] <penguinwhoflew> Warbo: i don't have that directory, but i do have /usr/lib/xscreensaver and not all the hacks in there are showing
[11:52] <ompaul> Tobberoth, Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[11:52] <Tobberoth> Oh, yeah, sorry :)
[11:52] <Hamppari> How can I make ubuntu to unload a specific USB device I have plugged in??
[11:52] <mardi> ompaul: should we be using /dev/dsp for recording through the mic?
[11:53] <ompaul> Hamppari, you should not have to unplugging it may help unless it is a drive - in which case you need to right click on it on the desktop and umount it
[11:53] <bladesprem06> which command do i need to find out information on my graphics card driver?
[11:53] <ompaul> mardi, I don't see an issue with that
[11:53] <neutrinomass> Any P2P clients nicer than gtk-gnutella ?
[11:53] <Hamppari> ompaul its my mobile phone and it doesnt work on ubuntu, im trying to use it on winxp vmware
[11:53] <lufis> Is there something missing from the gnome startup programs when everything will work properly except the titlebars on the windows? Like no maximize, minimize, etc show up?
[11:53] <Warbo> neutrinomass: MLDonkey with Sancho for GUI
[11:53] <lufis> neutrinomass: Try Nicotine :)
[11:54] <ompaul> Hamppari, you said winxp and vmware your on your own there I have no idea
[11:54] <Warbo> lufis: That is the window manager not loading (run "metacity")
[11:54] <mardi> ompaul: the only devices listed are dsp dsp1, and neither capture sound..
[11:54] <lufis> Warbo: Are you sure? I thought I had metacity listed
[11:54] <dtygel> neutrinomass: is there a way to put the result directly in a file? it scrolls too fast!
[11:54] <Hamppari> ompaul i have the module name, so what command ill type to terminal for "unloading a module"
[11:54] <Warbo> lufis: Well metacity is the program which draws the titlebars
[11:54] <mardi> ompaul: we can turn the mic 'on' in alsamixer and hear it through the speakers, so we know that works
[11:54] <lufis> Warbo: What about gdm?
[11:54] <neutrinomass> lufis: It doesn't do major networks as far as I see :(
[11:55] <ompaul> mardi, so it was off -
[11:55] <BioVorE> anyone using kubuntu and azuerus having problems with the pop up windows not going away (the one in the lower right that spits out warning and stuff)
[11:55] <BioVorE> didn't have this problem with brezzy
[11:55] <lufis> neutrinomass: Yeah, but it can do everything soulseek can... lots of music
[11:55] <neutrinomass> dtygel: Yes. sudo cat /dev/hda1 | grep --binary-file=text "#include <stdio.h>" > outputfile.txt
[11:55] <Warbo> lufis: GDM only handles the login and keeping the actual X session going. It is run by root for the system and has nothing to do with everyday user stuff
[11:55] <lufis> Warbo: Hm, thanks. Maybe that's why :)
[11:55] <ompaul> mardi, check in the speaker again under capture and also right click on that software to get more config options
[11:55] <Cornellius> I prefer KDM
[11:55] <ompaul> Cornellius, so use it
[11:56] <Cornellius> ompaul: :P
[11:56] <VSTP> Nicotine is not good for health ! 8D
[11:56] <mardi> ompaul: the mic is on mute in alsamixer, as per the wiki instructions, but that's only so we don't hear ourselves through the speakers while recording
[11:56] <neutrinomass> Warbo: mldonkey seems nice :)
[11:56] <dtygel> neutrinomass: and is there a way to narrow the search? the result is really too big... it didn't stop yet!
[11:56] <lufis> But it feels sooo good
[11:56] <ompaul> mardi, your way ahead of me then
[11:56] <thomasM> guys i have a problem, when i log in, i get errors about how powermanager cannnot be started until dbus is started, and then i get a HAL error. is this common?
[11:56] <nico8481> hi
[11:57] <Yoric> ok, found the solution to my problem
[11:57] <NoUse> BioVorE https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/41813
[11:57] <BioVorE> ah so some has filed a bug report then on this problem
[11:57] <Tobberoth> Hello guys, back allready ^^. Okey, the Nvidia installer needs ubuntus kernel source to compile the driver for this kernel. I need to download it, what should I download in the synaptic package thing for that to work?
[11:57] <alfr> i want solucion, for my sound in gateway mx3560 with ubuntu  Draker LST
[11:57] <NoUse> BioVorE its a bug in azureus
[11:58] <alfr> support
[11:58] <neutrinomass> dtygel: Depends. Grep searches for the file and outputs 500 lines before the line in which your search string was found and 600 lines after your search string, (if it was passed -A 500 and -B 600). Is the search picking up unrelated files, or is the range that grep outputs too large ?
[11:58] <BioVorE> NoUse: I think it might be an azrurs/java interface with kde issue
[11:58] <nico8481> how do you force the re-installation of a package with apt? i already have the latest version of the package but i installed from a repository that i removed from my sources.list in the meantime... i'd like to replace it by the "official" ubuntu version
[11:58] <BioVorE> brezzy didn't have the problem
[11:58] <Mikelo> !skype
[11:58] <ubotu> skype is probably http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[11:58] <Hamppari> Ok I typed "  sudo modprobe --remove cdc_acm " and it removed the module and it worked on vmware but how do I make ubuntu not to load the module eveytime I plug the device
[11:58] <Warbo> neutrinomass: On the mldonkey homepage (i forget the URL now) it says that Gnutella 1/2 support is broken (I don't know for sure as I use gtk-gnutella for that)
[11:58] <yggdrasil> cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[11:58] <alfr> !kernel
[11:58] <yggdrasil> i get that when im trying to mount -t smbfs
[11:59] <void^> BioVorE, NoUse: that problem is fixed in azureus cvs snapshots
[11:59] <Eleaf> heeelp ;)
[11:59] <debian_> is there a way to set thunar as my default file manager for opening folders etc but still have nautilius do its thing for icons on the desktop etc
[11:59] <Tobberoth> Hello guys, back allready ^^. Okey, the Nvidia installer needs ubuntus kernel source to compile the driver for this kernel. I need to download it, what should I download in the synaptic package thing for that to work?
[11:59] <neutrinomass> dtygel: i.e.Is the middle part of the output what you want and the edges wrong, or do you get totally wrong stuff as well ? If the former, play with the -A and -B options. If the latter, try a narrower search string. In the meantime, do NOT write to the drive AT ALL !
[11:59] <Eleaf> I upgraded to dapper and I'm unable to close about 50% of the windows with a mouse!!! =O
[11:59] <Eleaf> I also cannot scroll
[11:59] <neutrinomass> Warbo: :( That's bad. I'
[11:59] <BioVorE> void^: ah.. cool.. so a fix is in testing then..
[11:59] <neutrinomass> Warbo: (hit enter mid-sentence) I'll keep searching :)
[12:00] <rizck> how do i install jre-1_5_0_07-linux-i586-rpm.bin  in ubuntu?
[12:00] <jasonjdp> wow, are there any easy ways to set up Xgl?  scripts?


[00:00] <jetsaredim> maybe i should just wait till i hear back from the maintainer
[00:00] <jetsaredim> it seems to work in principle anyway
[00:00] <jetsaredim> just the versioning to sort out
[00:00] <Ubulette> ~svn or +svn depending, after that, either just the rev (+svb1234) or date+rev (+svn20080222r1234)
[00:01] <jetsaredim> it builds just fine and all that
[00:02] <asac> yeah, but would be great to add the svn revision asap ... otherwise we don't know which revision the upstream sources are from
[00:02] <Ubulette> the thing is, if you got the source from svn, the version should indicate it, including the revision so people can fetch the tarball from upstream if they want to.
[00:02] <asac> and you can easily foget ;)
[00:02] <asac> forget
[00:03] <asac> jetsaredim: ^^^
[00:03] <Ubulette> and then you should add a get-orig-source target in debian/rules
[00:03] <asac> Ubulette: couldn't we do something generic in .mk files?
[00:03] <asac> for svn maintained sources? e.g. just specify the branch url in the rules?
[00:04] <asac> i think svn is pretty common soproviding that would be good
[00:04] <Ubulette> yes, i have something like that already
[00:04] <asac> maybe lets review how to integrate that
[00:05] <asac> maybe we should put the versioning scheme then into some more generic .mk, so svn.mk can reuse that
[00:05] <asac> or is there already a base.mk that firefox, et al import?
[00:05] <Ubulette> nope
[00:06] <Ubulette> ff and all are cvs based
[00:06] <Ubulette> plus bonsai magic
[00:06] <cheguevara> evening
[00:07] <asac> hi
[00:07] <asac> Ubulette: right
[00:09] <jetsaredim> ok - so what am i supposed to be doing?  and should I wait to hear back from the maintainer and just re-instantiate the upstream too
[00:10] <asac> jetsaredim: for now just fix the version and push that to bzr
[00:10] <asac> then we wait for maintainer to see what to do
[00:10] <jetsaredim> in the upstream or ubuntu
[00:10] <asac> use 1.1.0~b11+svnREVISION
[00:10] <asac> in ubuntu
[00:10] <asac> aeh the upstream verison part of the package that is
[00:11] <asac> use 1.1.0~b11+svnREVISION-0ubuntu1 is the full version
[00:11] <asac> REVISION should be the svn revision you exported and imported to bzr
[00:11] <asac> jetsaredim: all clear?
[00:12] <jetsaredim> pushing now
[00:12] <asac> good
[00:13] <asac> jetsaredim: and revert the change to install.rdf :)
[00:14] <jetsaredim> err oops
[00:15] <asac> no problem ;)
[00:15] <jetsaredim> pushed again
[00:15] <asac> "revert change to install.rdfwq" :-P
[00:16] <asac> jetsaredim: "to 1.1.0~b12+svn317-0ubuntu1" ?? why not b11 ?
[00:16] <jetsaredim> grrr
[00:16] <asac> ok its just a commit e log typo
[00:16] <jetsaredim> yea
[00:16] <asac> in changelog you have the right version ;)
[00:17] <jetsaredim> yea
[00:17] <asac> good ... now wait for upstream ;)
[00:17] <asac> thanks a lot!
[00:17] <jetsaredim> i'm in the middle of eating dinner and talking to my wife
[00:17] <asac> sure ... have fun
[00:17] <Ubulette> asac, if you care to have a look: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.0.head
[00:18] <jetsaredim> asac: I may work on mouse gestures too tonight
[00:18] <asac> jetsaredim: great.
[00:20] <asac> Ubulette: does gnome-support work stil?
[00:20] <asac> does tbird 3 have typeaheadfind by default now?
[00:21] <asac> otherwise you might want to explicitly build that as an extension
[00:21] <Ubulette> i'm not there yet, i'm stuck at make install
[00:21] <asac> (if it still builds --- in the past this required some hackery)
[00:21] <asac> Ubulette: how does it fail?
[00:21] <Ubulette> it doesn't
[00:21] <Ubulette> there's just no debian/tmp
[00:21] <asac> ah ... it just doesn't install enough files?
[00:21] <asac> ouch
[00:22] <asac> Ubulette: mail/installer/windows/packages-static
[00:22] <asac> maybe we need that for unix as well now?
[00:23] <Ubulette> but we always --disable-installer
[00:23] <asac> ./browser/installer/unix/packages-static
[00:23] <asac> ./browser/installer/windows/packages-static
[00:23] <asac> Ubulette: trunk uses the installer packaging code anyway since they killed the "Normal" make install a few month back
[00:23] <asac> remember?
[00:23] <asac> ;)
[00:24] <asac> ./browser/installer/unix/packages-static
[00:24] <asac> ./browser/installer/windows/packages-static
[00:24] <asac> ./mail/installer/windows/packages-static
[00:24] <asac> there might be another hook missing though
[00:24] <Ubulette> hm, so i got it wrong with my installer patch
[00:25] <asac> he?
[00:25] <Ubulette> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.0.head/annotate/fta%40sofaraway.org-20080222001357-4ni45ctkbnlown1g?file_id=honor_disable_instal-20080222001349-hwz488m9kxuex348-1
[00:25] <Ubulette> damn url, they should make it shorter
[00:26] <asac> yes ... you just killed it :)
[00:26] <asac> we need packages-static for unix anyway i guess
[00:26] <asac> Ubulette: i agree for the url length
[00:26] <asac> its ridiculous
[00:26] <asac> just path?revno=xxx would be good enough
[00:27] <asac> lets see if the installer is invoked in the same way for browser
[00:27] <Ubulette> I did that because it ftbsed
[00:27] <asac> ah right ... maybe because of missing packages-static ?
[00:27] <asac> or missing unix install dir?
[00:28] <Ubulette> something like you need a "--enable-static --disable-shared" build to create an installer
[00:28] <asac> right .. the install:: target uses the meta info of installer, but performs a real make instlal :)
[00:28] <Ubulette> while I requested  --disable-installer like xul
[00:28] <asac> hmm
[00:29] <asac> thats most likely just a confusing follow up message of the real problem
[00:29] <asac> maybe it tests if the make install succeeded and if didn't just pump out some obscure message like that ;)
[00:29] <Ubulette> we have --disable-installer everywhere, sm, sm2, xul1.9, ff3, tb2, ...
[00:30] <asac> Ubulette: --disable-installer is correct
[00:30] <asac> the patch is just not correct :)
[00:30] <Ubulette> now i see that
[00:30] <asac> ah ok :)
[00:30] <Ubulette> the message confused me
[00:31] <asac> yes, i vaguely remember that i saw something similar confusing at some point when things started to change
[00:33] <asac> i really find the new way "hacky" ... though its faster and less fragile - which isn't that bad
[00:34] <Ubulette> i can rebuild with --enable-static --disable-shared, let's see
[00:34] <asac> oh better don't try
[00:34] <asac> as i said, its most likely a bogus message
[00:35] <Ubulette> right
[00:35] <Ubulette> i really need sleep
[00:35] <asac> sure
[00:35] <asac> me too
[00:35] <asac> i will drink a tea and then go to bed ;)
[00:35] <asac> sleep well
[00:35] <asac> cu
[00:36] <Ubulette> cu
[00:39] <cheguevara> night asac and Ubulette
[00:48] <jetsaredim> another packaging question
[00:49] <jetsaredim> how do I tell debsign what user to sign the package as
[00:49] <jetsaredim> when I run debuild -b it appears to be using uid@mymachine rather than what is in the changelog
[00:51] <jetsaredim> nm
[00:57] <asac> [reed]: bug 193877 ... any idea?
[00:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193877 in firefox-3.0 "C-z undo keyboard binding doesn't respect non-qwerty layout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193877
[00:57] <asac> jetsaredim: usually it should use the email in changelog
[00:58] <asac> do you have a secret key for that in your keyring?
[00:58] <asac> gpg --list-secret-keys afaik
[00:58] <jetsaredim> i figured it out
[00:59] <asac> good
[00:59] <jetsaredim> just not seeing it my ppa building
[00:59] <asac> did you upload to ppa?
[01:00] <asac> in order to upload you need to produce an orig.tar.gz and build the sources:
[01:00] <jetsaredim> dput my-ppa ../firebug_1.1.0~b11+svn317-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[01:00] <asac> ah
[01:00] <asac> when did you upload?
[01:00] <asac> are the sources already there?
[01:01] <jetsaredim> it uploaded them during the dput
[01:01] <asac> ah ... you have to enable the PPA i guess
[01:01] <asac> did you do that already?
[01:01] <jetsaredim> yea
[01:01] <asac> so you built using debuild -S -sa ?
[01:01] <asac> did you get a mail?
[01:01] <jetsaredim> -sa?
[01:02] <asac> yes ... include orig.tar.gz in upload
[01:02] <asac> that means
[01:02] <asac> since its the first upload, you need that
[01:02] <jetsaredim> i just did -S
[01:02] <asac> did you prepare a orig.tar.gz ?
[01:02] <jetsaredim> yea
[01:02] <jetsaredim> from the upstream
[01:02] <asac> ok ... so you have a .diff.gz now?
[01:02] <asac> then you just miss the -sa
[01:03] <jetsaredim> diff.gz?
[01:03] <asac> ok so you didn't
[01:03] <asac> you have to put a orig.tar.gz next to the directory
[01:03] <asac> the name needs to be:
[01:03] <asac> $packagename_UPSTREAM_VERSION_PART.orig.tar.gz
[01:04] <asac> so fir your case: firebug_1.1.0~b12+svnXXXX.orig.tar.gz
[01:04] <[reed]> asac: I'll look later... doing homework now
[01:04] <jetsaredim> yea have that in the tarballs dir
[01:04] <asac> [reed]: sure ... take your time
[01:04] <asac> jetsaredim: tarballs dir?
[01:04] <asac> do you use bzr builddeb
[01:04] <asac> ?
[01:05] <asac> then do bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='debuild -S -sa'
[01:05] <jetsaredim> that was where debuild -b was looking for it
[01:05] <asac> didn't know that debuild does it
[01:05] <asac> if you don't have a .diff.gz it probably didn't find it
[01:05] <asac> put it next to the source-tree you are building from
[01:06] <asac> that should work if the version is correct ;)
[01:10] <jetsaredim> err yea - builddeb is what is looking for ../tarballs/x.orig.tar.gz
[01:12] <jetsaredim> if i do that builddeb and then bd - i get an error saying that ../build-area exists
[01:12] <asac> jetsaredim: just that line should work
[01:12] <asac> bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='debuild -S -sa'
[01:12] <asac> if you have an orig in ../tarballs
[01:13] <asac> maybe remove build-area first ... but usually you don't need to do that
[01:13] <jetsaredim> http://dpaste.com/36358/
[01:13] <jetsaredim> same error
[01:14] <jetsaredim> if i remove build-area
[01:15] <asac> yeah ... amybe a good idea
[01:15] <asac> looks strange
[01:15] <jetsaredim> no i mean - i did and still got the same error
[01:15] <jetsaredim> )
[01:15] <jetsaredim> :)
[01:16] <asac> what are the contents of the orig.tar.gz?
[01:16] <asac> can you pastebin that?
[01:16] <asac> e.g. tar tzf name*orig.tar.gz
[01:18] <jetsaredim> hmm - i need to get rid of the .svn dirs from the upstream
[01:18] <asac> why?
[01:18] <asac> ah ro
[01:18] <asac> hmm
[01:18] <jetsaredim> ok - maybe not then
[01:19] <asac> jetsaredim: but yes, putting svn stuff into upstream branch is not that great ;)
[01:19] <asac> maybe remove them in .upstream branch
[01:19] <jetsaredim> yea
[01:19] <asac> commit that (and when doing that remember to name the right version + svn revision in commit to prevent further confusion)
[01:19] <asac> andthen merge that to the .ubuntu branch ;)
[01:20] <jetsaredim> ?
[01:20] <jetsaredim> now i'm confused
[01:20] <asac> you have two directories:
[01:20] <asac> firefox.ubuntu
[01:20] <asac> aeh firebug :)
[01:20] <asac> firebug.upstream
[01:20] <jetsaredim> yea
[01:20] <asac> in firebug.upstream
[01:20]  * jetsaredim following
[01:20] <asac> you remove all .svn directories
[01:20] <jetsaredim> right
[01:20] <asac> then you commit that (with a good log message ;))
[01:20] <jetsaredim> sure
[01:21] <asac> then you go to firebug.ubuntu and merge the new upstream changes into that branch
[01:21] <asac> bzr merge ../firebug.upstream
[01:21] <asac> if there are conflicts you have to fix them, if not you just commit that merge:
[01:21] <asac> bzr commit
[01:21] <asac> and provide a good commit message stating that you are merging changes to upstream branch and maybe summarizing what those changes were
[01:21] <jetsaredim> um ok - there shouldn't be any merges since I already got rid of the .svn in the ubuntu branch
[01:22] <asac> conflicts you mean :)
[01:22] <asac> well ... its also a manual merge ;)
[01:22] <jetsaredim> right
[01:22] <asac> then just merge + commit :)
[01:23] <jetsaredim> so
[01:24] <jetsaredim> i should be able to checkout the upstream; remove all the .svn; then commit/push and make an orig.tar.gz from that?
[01:24] <asac> if you have both branches next to each other you can produce one (in build-area) with:
[01:25] <asac> bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --export-upstream=../firebug.upstream --builder='debuild -S -sa'
[01:25] <asac> you usually want to copy the .orig.tar.gz to your tarballs dir after that and don't export again
[01:25] <asac> to prevent eventual md5sum mismatches
[01:26] <asac> jetsaredim: ^^
[01:26] <asac> but before you should merge from .upstream => .ubuntu ;)
[01:26] <asac> but i think thats clear
[01:26] <asac> ok. i am out now for real
[01:26] <asac> its getting late here
[01:27] <asac> cu
[01:27] <jetsaredim> i'll have to touch base with you about this tomorrow
[01:38]  * jetsaredim still doesn't quite get what's not happening here
[01:38] <jetsaredim> i'm able to run the bzr bd --merge command just fine
[01:38] <jetsaredim> but that doesn't generate a source file to upload to a ppd
[01:38] <jetsaredim> err ppa
[03:48] <Wulfie_road> umm dunno if this is the right place to ask - where does thunderbird store its address book?
[03:51] <jetsaredim> I don't know if this is the definitive answer, but I seem to see it under .mozilla-thunderbird/<randomstring>.default/abook.mab
[04:04] <Wulfie_road> thanks
[05:31] <jetsaredim> fyi - I went to file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions/+filebug and there doesn't seem to be a mechanism for that
[05:31] <jetsaredim> not setup
[09:18] <asac> jetsaredim: the --builder='debuild -S -sa' is the important argument to produce the sources with bzr builddeb
[09:19] <asac> jetsaredim: ok i enabled the bugtracker for the firefox-extensions project
[09:19] <asac> sorry for the confusion ;)
[10:14] <Ubulette> hi
[10:19] <asac> hi
[10:19] <asac> Ubulette: all fine?
[10:20] <asac> did you receive an invite recently?
[10:21] <Ubulette> part of it, my greylist blocked google
[10:21] <asac> Ubulette: huh? from google? not from canonical?
[10:21] <Ubulette> i think i missed the initial invite
[10:22] <Ubulette> it has been posted through gmail using an @ubuntu.com address
[10:23] <asac> who send it?
[10:23] <Ubulette> jorge
[10:23] <Ubulette> at least the visa part
[10:23] <asac> jcastro: ^^^
[10:23] <asac> do you know which mails went out, so Ubulette can check if he has everything?
[10:24] <Ubulette> oh, got it
[10:24] <asac> do you have  folder where grey list filtered stuff end up in?
[10:24] <asac> ok good.
[10:25] <Ubulette> nope greylist is a temporary reject at the smtp level
[10:25] <asac> right ;)
[10:25] <asac> so it should be redelivered at some point
[10:26] <Ubulette> got "Subject: Ubuntu Developers Summit Invitation" and "Subject: A quick note one UDS/FOSSCamp and visas"
[10:26] <Ubulette> is there something else ?
[10:27] <asac> i have no idea ;) ... does the Invitation tell you how to proceed?
[10:27] <asac> (i guess visa doesn't matter for you)
[10:30] <Ubulette> i does tell how to proceed. I just think it lack a bit of context of what UDS is about but I figured it out
[10:31] <Ubulette> about tb3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4887/
[10:35]  * asac looking
[10:37] <asac> Ubulette: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4888/ ... please give me credits in commit :-P
[10:37] <asac> we need unix/packages-static though
[10:37] <asac> to start copy the browser/ packages-static over and add/remove the diff files ;)
[10:38] <asac> the credits was just kidding
[10:39] <Ubulette> eheh
[10:39] <asac> makes sense?
[10:40] <Ubulette> think so, i'll try that
[10:40] <asac> good
[10:41] <Ubulette> btw, sm2 install is broken too
[10:41] <asac> hmm ... there is a problem though
[10:41] <asac> --enable-libxul doesn't work, right?
[10:41] <Ubulette> (something with missing wallet locales)
[10:41] <asac> thats borked
[10:42] <asac> but at least make install works in general for sm2?
[10:42] <Ubulette> i haven't tried, just started that tb3 thing yesterday eve
[10:43] <asac> Ubulette: ok, use http://paste.ubuntu.com/4890/
[10:43] <asac> thats what sm uses
[10:43] <asac> (as LIBXUL can't be used)
[10:44] <asac> but that is in line with my perception that "tbird cares even less about unix than sm"
[11:07] <asac> [reed]: bug 193108 ... is that known? reporter claims it happens with fresh account with mozilla.com build as well. i couldn't find anything in bugzilla, but that might be again my incompetence to use that beast
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193108 in firefox-3.0 "Word spacing issue in Firefox 3" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193108
[11:11] <Ubulette> hm, tb3 is still using xpm, not png
[11:12] <Ubulette> sounds bad for libxul
[11:12] <asac> where is the xpm code?
[11:12] <asac> i thought it was removed
[11:12] <asac> from libpr0n ;)
[11:13] <Ubulette> yet, they still ship:
[11:13] <Ubulette> mozilla/dist/bin/chrome/icons/default/abcardWindow.xpm
[11:13] <Ubulette> mozilla/dist/bin/chrome/icons/default/abcardWindow16.xpm
[11:13] <Ubulette> while sm2 has only the png for those
[11:14] <asac> ok ... i think even ffox still has the .xpm files
[11:14] <asac> they are not used though
[11:15] <asac> because there is no .xpm code anymore
[11:15] <asac> Ubulette: but tbird has the .pngs as well?
[11:15] <[reed]> asac: landing patches before nightlies... I'll look in a sec
[11:15] <asac> [reed]: sure
[11:17] <Ubulette> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/4891/
[11:18] <asac> ok depends on the code then i guess
[11:18] <asac> hard to tell by just looking at the images
[11:31] <asac> ok we are down to 54 not-forwarded bugs against firefox-3.0 again
[11:42] <[reed]> so, ask the reporter to try a nightly for bug 193108
[11:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193108 in firefox-3.0 "Word spacing issue in Firefox 3" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193108
[11:42] <[reed]> if a nightly is still showing the issue, definitely escalate
[11:42] <[reed]> you could try asking roc / dbaron about it
[11:42] <[reed]> since that's a layout regression
[11:43] <asac> [reed]: ok will do
[11:43] <asac> thanks
[11:47] <Ubulette> it's a pain in the *ss to create mail/installer/unix/packages-static
[11:47] <Ubulette> it's so different from win
[11:48] <asac> Ubulette: yeah ... i think a bunch of files should be similar to browser
[11:48] <asac> the rest you need to use find in dist i guess
[11:49] <Ubulette> i don't really know which bin/components/*.so are needed
[11:49] <asac> afaik the idea is to install all thats in dist/
[11:49] <asac> Ubulette: whats in dist/bin/components/
[11:49] <asac> let me see if we want all
[11:51] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4892/
[11:53] <Ubulette> asac, .so only: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4893/
[11:54] <Ubulette> asac, and my current version of the fix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4894/
[11:54] <asac> Ubulette: .xpt are needed i guess
[11:54] <asac> and all .so
[11:56] <asac> Ubulette: i wonder why we can't dump all this during make ... i mean each component knows what it exports, so that could be just written to a file ;)
[11:56] <asac> anyway ... this looks not too bad
[11:57] <asac> just check if you have all files and if you miss some look if you really intend to skip them
[11:57] <Ubulette> you mean between dist and debian/tmp ? i still need a lot of files then
[11:58] <Ubulette> same for sm2
[11:58] <Ubulette> and probably xul as well
[11:58] <Ubulette> I have a compare2 module for moz-devscript somewhere doing that comparison and the diff is huge
[12:00] <asac> not complete dist
[12:00] <asac> dist/bin/
[12:00] <asac> then for dev: dist/include
[12:00] <Ubulette> yes, that's what i meant
[12:00] <asac> what kind of files are missing for xul?
[12:00] <asac> are those of the same kind
[12:00] <asac> ?
[12:01] <Ubulette> i don't remember exactly, i'll recheck
[12:01] <asac> if you have a list that would be great
[12:01] <Ubulette> i didn't bother much because it was working like it was
[12:01] <asac> upstream isn't that good at this. they don't use install on their own. so it might even be the case that there is something missing.
[12:01] <asac> yeah, but we should definitly check.
[12:02] <asac> i can do that as well, but i think i need a bug
[12:02] <asac> let me open one
[12:02] <Ubulette> let me finish that tb3 patch 1st
[12:06] <asac> bug 194342
[12:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194342 in xulrunner-1.9 "review make install target and package-static files" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194342
[12:07] <Ubulette> you can assign it to me
[12:07] <asac> oh cool
[12:07] <asac> doing
[12:07] <asac> Ubulette: i made it a beta blocker :)... so release managers will nag us in case we don't get this fixed
[12:07] <Ubulette> i'll refresh my compare2 module (need a better name) and commit it
[12:08] <asac> what i compare2?
[12:08] <asac> s/i/is/
[12:08] <asac>  Launchpad 1.2.2: faster PPA builds, enhanced bug subscriptions and more
[12:08] <asac> faster, faster
[12:09] <Ubulette> compare is debian/tmp vs debian/$pkgs-*/usr/*
[12:09] <asac>  * Faster PPA builds: we've cut the time it takes to build
[12:09] <asac>    packages in PPAs. The moment you upload your source,
[12:09] <asac>    Launchpad starts building.
[12:09] <asac>  \o/
[12:09] <asac> thats good news for you i guess ;)
[12:09] <Ubulette> compare2 is dist vs debian/tmp
[12:10] <Ubulette> so compare really check that our *.install are complete
[12:10] <asac> dist/bin you mean?
[12:10] <Ubulette> yes
[12:10] <asac> do you consider dist/include and dist/idl as well?
[12:10] <Ubulette> while compare2 check that the installer is correct
[12:10] <asac> or are those beneath dist/bin/ as well?
[12:10] <asac> maybe they are in dist/sdk?
[12:11] <asac>  * Karma fiends take note: registering branches and linking
[12:11] <asac>    branches to bugs or blueprints now earns you karma! Want
[12:11] <asac>    to know more about karma? Take a look at
[12:11] <asac>    https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation
[12:11] <asac> hope that just "registering branches" won't give any karma
[12:12] <Ubulette> what about commits ?
[12:14] <asac> don't see anything about that
[12:14] <asac> went to devel-announce
[12:15] <Ubulette> imho, commits should be more appreciated
[12:15] <asac> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-February/000385.html
[12:15] <asac> well ... commits are hard to value ;)
[12:15] <asac> fixing bugs in commits are better ... but all this isn't perfect anyway
[12:15] <Ubulette> i've subscribed to that list, at last
[12:16] <asac> :-P
[12:16] <asac> 14 messages this month so far. thats handable
[12:20] <asac> Ubulette: does bug 190334 work for  you?
[12:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190334 in xulrunner-1.9 "about:config doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190334
[12:22] <Ubulette> nope. I have the warning, and when I click on "I'll be careful, I promise", it doesn't do anything
[12:36] <asac> does nsIJSContextStack.h exist in latest trunk xul?
[12:40] <Ubulette>           -rw-r--r-- root/root      9839 2008-02-21 19:23 ./usr/include/xulrunner-1.9b4pre/unstable/nsIJSContextStack.h
[12:40] <asac> ./ ?
[12:40] <asac> is taht in -dev package as well?
[12:41] <asac> ok root/root shoujld explain it i guess
[12:41] <asac> but why ./ ?
[12:42] <Ubulette> because i paste the dpkg -c that my bot append at the end of its logs
[12:42] <Ubulette> pasted
[12:43] <Ubulette> xulrunner-1.9-dev_1.9~b4~cvs20080221t0943+bbot-1_i386.deb
[12:43] <Ubulette> yep, it's in -dev
[12:43] <asac> good
[12:46] <Ubulette> i'll try to give you access to my logs when I have time
[13:06] <Ubulette> do I need to change appname for tb3 ?
[13:07] <Ubulette> profile migration is a pain
[13:13] <asac> well ... i assume that it will eventually kill profiles
[13:17] <Ubulette> so ?
[13:17] <Ubulette> you want it ?
[13:29] <asac> yes, but not sure about "when"
[13:30] <asac> not sure when we will upload to official archives
[13:30] <Ubulette> i know it's too late for hardy
[13:31] <Ubulette> and it's still a1pre so it's young
[13:31] <Ubulette> but some people asked me about it
[13:35] <asac> no idea ... if its just a few, you could instruct them to backup the profile directory before starting 3.0
[13:36] <asac> and if they experience _any_ problem after returning to tbird 2 they should reinstantiate that profile before filing a bug ;)
[13:43] <Ubulette> hm, there's no -dev files in debian/tmp
[13:43] <Ubulette> .idl/.h
[13:48] <Ubulette> damn, i can no longer paste an url into a tab in ff3.
[14:04] <jetsaredim> asac: I must not have done something right - my ppa build has been stuck in "build for superseded source" for about 8 hours
[14:05] <Ubulette> jetsaredim, it means you pushed a version lower than a previously built version
[14:06] <Ubulette> you can now delete things in ppas, try that
[14:06] <jetsaredim> says my PPA does not contain any source packages published
[14:08] <jetsaredim> yea fun
[14:09] <jetsaredim> in case anyone out there cares - the amazon gold box deals today are all going to be wii games
[14:09] <jetsaredim> first lightning deal was Fire Emblem and was gone in like 5 min
[14:10] <jetsaredim> another to be posted at 1PM and 5PM EST
[14:10] <jetsaredim> err oops
[14:10] <jetsaredim> wrong window
[14:11] <jetsaredim> sorry bout that
[14:11] <jetsaredim> in any case - I suppose I should try to re-upload then?
[14:26] <asac_> jetsaredim: did you sort the upload out?
[14:26] <asac_> hi phoenix24 ;)
[14:28] <phoenix24> hi asac_  !
[14:28] <asac_> any sessions today?
[14:29] <phoenix24> yeah
[14:29] <phoenix24> brb.
[14:33] <jetsaredim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions/+bug/194375
[14:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194375 in firefox-extensions "REVIEW/SPONSOR: please review and sponsor firebug extension" [Undecided,New]
[14:40] <Ubulette> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/02/firefox-reaches-500-million-downloads-milestone/
[14:40] <Ubulette> but i guess linux distros dont count
[14:57] <armin76> Ubulette: hard to track :)
[14:57] <Ubulette> ?
[14:57] <Ubulette> oh
[15:00] <armin76> besides yours is not firefox :P
[15:15] <phoenix24> A lot of ff-extensions have been packaged since yesterday.
[15:16] <Ubulette_> [reed], are all the .xpt files in dist/bin/components needed? the various installers only list a few so I'm puzzled
[15:19] <Ubulette_> phoenix24, really ? the wiki hasn't moved at all
[15:19] <phoenix24> Ubulette_: Am I confused.. or is the same :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3ExtensionsReview ?
[15:20] <Ubulette_> hm, i read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions
[15:21] <Ubulette> Firefox3ExtensionsReview is older
[15:21] <Ubulette> last edited 2008-01-31 16:10:49 by AlexanderSack
[15:22] <phoenix24> Ubulette: a lot of extensions on the Firefox3ExtensionsReview, do not list any "Upstream Contact ", or other details.
[15:22] <phoenix24> is that ok ?
[15:23] <Ubulette> i think this page was a previous attempt to list all the candidates. Now, the real work is listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions
[15:23] <Ubulette> asac, do you confirm ?
[15:29] <phoenix24> So, one could still work on some of those listed extensions ?
[15:43] <asac> phoenix24: yes thats an old page
[15:43] <asac> i started once ... but then figured that its better to just add those that people are interested in
[15:44] <phoenix24> ok! thanks
[15:44] <asac> anyway ... if you like any of those, go ahead and package that ;)
[15:45] <asac> (of course look at license first ... a bunch is non-free or unlicensed afaik)
[15:48] <Ubulette> 4th time i freeze ff3 today :(
[15:49] <Ubulette> using launchpad
[15:49] <jetsaredim> I took a quick look at a couple of those extensions and a bunch of them are binary-only
[15:58] <asac> jetsaredim: a good point to get new ideas from is the top 50 projects list of mozdev.org
[15:58] <asac> they should all have sources
[16:02] <jetsaredim> so - the policy is not packaging extensions that are xpi-only?
[16:23] <asac> jetsaredim: no ... if its a good license itworks
[16:24] <asac> but usually the license info is not available in .xpi; so we have to ask developer to include the license info into their xpi or to at least state the license in the source headers
[16:27] <asac> out for a while
[17:59] <cheguevara> asac, you around
[17:59] <Ubulette> [Fri 17:27] <asac> out for a while
[17:59] <cheguevara> missed that
[18:00] <cheguevara> any idea if n-m 0.7 is gonna be in hardy or is it too late now
[18:00] <Ubulette> no idea
[18:01] <cheguevara> kk
[18:09] <cheguevara> 14:37 < pochu> asac: will we see NM 0.7 in Hardy?
[18:09] <cheguevara> 14:37 < asac> pochu: we decided to not do it.
[18:09] <cheguevara> 14:38 < asac> we kept the option to reconsider if upstream does a final release soon
[18:09] <cheguevara> 14:38 < asac> (but unlikely)
[18:09] <cheguevara> never mind...
[18:18] <Ubulette> waa, ff3 crashed when i submitted a bug on launchpad
[18:22] <Ubulette> asac, i've answered bug 194342
[18:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194342 in xulrunner-1.9 "review make install target and package-static files" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194342
[18:43] <cheguevara> bug 182038
[18:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xorg-server "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[19:09] <jetsaredim> how do I make a package that has multiple resulting binaries from the same source?
[19:10] <jetsaredim> want to try to tackle the webdeveloper extension
[19:10] <jetsaredim> but there are different xpis for firefox and for seamonkey
[19:41] <jetsaredim> what about extensions that only work for FF2?
[20:31] <Ubulette> asac, mozilla bug 416571
[20:31] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 416571 in NSPR "cp of prcpucfg.h in dist/sdk/include causes rebuilding of tools" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=416571
[20:31] <Ubulette> eh?
[20:32] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 412937
[20:32] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 412937 in Security: PSM "Update Mozilla trunk to use NSS tag NSS_3_12_BETA2" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412937
[20:32] <Ubulette> asac, it was supposed to read "Bug 416571, Update NSPR to 4.7.1 beta 1 r=wtc, blocking1.9=mtschrep Bug 412937, Update NSS to NSS_3_12_BETA2 r=rrelyea, blocking1.9=mtschrep"
[20:33] <Ubulette> told you the debian naming of nss/nspr was a bad idea, we're doomed now
[20:37] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 418775
[20:37] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 418775 in Build Config "ubuntu configure bustage." [Blocker,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418775
[21:01] <armin76> lolz
[21:03] <armin76> Ubulette: why?
[21:04] <armin76> !info nspr
[21:04] <ubotu> Package nspr does not exist in gutsy
[21:05] <armin76> !info libnspr-4
[21:05] <ubotu> Package libnspr-4 does not exist in gutsy
[21:05] <armin76> bah
[21:08] <Ubulette> lol
[21:08] <armin76> Ubulette: what's up with debian's naming?
[21:08] <Ubulette> !info libnspr4-0d hardy
[21:08] <ubotu> libnspr4-0d (source: nspr): NetScape Portable Runtime Library. In component main, is optional. Version 4.7.0~1.9b3-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 118 kB, installed size 324 kB
[21:08] <Ubulette> !info libnspr hardy
[21:08] <ubotu> Package libnspr does not exist in hardy
[21:08] <Ubulette> grr
[21:09] <Ubulette> !info libnss3-1d hardy
[21:09] <ubotu> libnss3-1d (source: nss): Network Security Service libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 3.12.0~1.9b3-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 969 kB, installed size 2540 kB
[21:09] <Ubulette> NSS_3_12_BETA2 should be 3.12~b2 but that doesn't match with 3.12.0~1.9b3
[21:10] <Ubulette> well, maybe 3.12.0~b2
[21:10] <armin76> lolz
[21:10] <armin76> happened to me with nspr-4.7.0
[21:10] <armin76> i had it as nspr-4.7.0_pre$date
[21:11] <armin76> but was released as nspr-4.7, so it thought it was a downgrade :D
[21:11] <Ubulette> "NSPR to 4.7.1 beta 1", is it a typo ?
[21:11] <armin76> no, why?
[21:11] <Ubulette> 4.7 is released ?
[21:11] <armin76> yes
[21:11] <Ubulette> oh
[21:11] <Ubulette> really ?
[21:11] <armin76> fail
[21:12] <armin76> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/nspr/releases
[21:12] <armin76> really :P
[21:12] <Ubulette> lol, even my bot got it: 4.7.1~cvs20080220t1852+bbot-1
[21:12] <armin76> bad bot
[21:12] <Ubulette> no, good bot
[21:13] <armin76> bad asac
[21:13] <armin76> better? :P
[21:14] <Ubulette> yeah ;)
[21:14] <armin76> and nss-3.11.9 as well
[21:15] <armin76> and 3.11.8 :)
[21:15] <armin76> !info libnss3-1d gutsy
[21:15] <ubotu> Package libnss3-1d does not exist in gutsy
[21:15] <armin76> sigh :P
[21:15] <Ubulette> 0d
[21:15] <armin76> !info libnss3-0d gutsy
[21:15] <ubotu> libnss3-0d (source: nss): Network Security Service libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 3.11.5-3 (gutsy), package size 700 kB, installed size 1648 kB
[21:16] <armin76> old!
[21:16] <armin76> upgrade now! :P
[21:16] <Ubulette> i don't do gutsy
[21:16] <armin76> you do now :P
[21:17] <armin76> and tb-.12 is not released yet
[21:17] <armin76> really sad...
[21:17] <Ubulette> i've done tb 3.0~a1~cvs
[21:18] <armin76> last tb candidate is rc1 from 15 feb :/
[21:18] <armin76> and it has security fixes :D
[21:20] <asac> anything up?
[21:22] <armin76> you broke all :P
[21:22] <asac> not more ;)?
[21:23] <asac> armin76: those sec fixes are not important for tbird
[21:23] <asac> they are of theoretical nature afaict
[21:32] <jetsaredim> asac: I looked at webdeveloper extension
[21:32] <asac> jetsaredim: \o/
[21:32] <jetsaredim> doesn't work on FF3
[21:32] <asac> did you try to force compatibility?
[21:33] <jetsaredim> ?
[21:33] <jetsaredim> apparently its imminent
[21:33] <Ubulette> the author of webdeveloper has a version working with 3.0b3
[21:33] <jetsaredim> a new version that is
[21:33] <jetsaredim> yea - but he hasn't released it
[21:33] <asac> is it available in svn/cvs?
[21:33] <jetsaredim> i didn't see any trees
[21:33] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 411817
[21:33] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 411817 in Extension Compatibility "Web Developer addon not available/working for Firefox 3" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411817
[21:34] <jetsaredim> yea that
[21:34] <asac> could you contact him and ask for info? maybe tell him that we will release in april and would need firefox 3 compatible version by mid of march ;)
[21:34] <jetsaredim> he does the user-agent switcher too
[21:35] <asac> jetsaredim: but thats compatible?`
[21:36] <jetsaredim> there's a similar bug
[21:36] <jetsaredim> I didn't check, but I assume not
[21:38] <asac> jetsaredim: ok ... apparently he planned to release for beta 3 ... please just ask him about both extensions :)
[21:38]  * jetsaredim composing email at the moment
[21:38] <asac> if you want you can CC me mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:38] <jetsaredim> its a webform
[21:38] <asac> hmm
[21:38] <asac> ok
[21:39] <asac> lets try that now. if it doesn't work we should figure something better ;)
[21:39] <jetsaredim> ok
[21:39] <jetsaredim> also
[21:39] <jetsaredim> was looking into greasemonkey
[21:40] <jetsaredim> and i still can't seem to get firebug to build into my ppa
[21:43] <jetsaredim> the other thing about web developer that I wasn't quite sure about is that there are different resultant xpi files for firefox and for seamonkey
[21:43] <jetsaredim> and also localized versions of each too
[21:43] <asac> jetsaredim: there already is a greasemonkey package ... we could just update that
[21:43] <jetsaredim> asac: not listed on the extensions page, so didn't realize
[21:44] <asac> jetsaredim: yeah ... you can specify a fixed XPI file in the makefile
[21:44] <asac> hmm ... looks like webdeveloper uses ant to build
[21:45] <jetsaredim> right - but I wasn't sure if it would be desire-able to have two separate packages - like web-developer-firefox and web-developer-seamonkey
[21:45] <asac> well, seamonkey is still a mess for extensions
[21:45] <asac> they don't have a real extension manager
[21:45] <asac> i would just ignore it, but if you want you can produce two packages of course
[21:45] <asac> (out of one source)
[21:46] <jetsaredim> right
[21:46] <asac> easiest would be to just build firefox with command: "ant build.firefox"
[21:46] <jetsaredim> and just have the one package
[21:46] <asac> yeah for now that would be good enough i guess
[21:47] <asac> we even don't know if the firefox 3 compatible version will work with seamonkey 1.1.x ... which is firefox 2
[21:47] <jetsaredim> true
[21:47] <asac> might as well be incompatible in which case we cannot package both from one source
[21:47] <jetsaredim> right
[21:47] <jetsaredim> why don't we just wait to hear back from this dude
[21:48] <asac> sure
[21:49] <jetsaredim> so - yea - firefox-greasemonkey
[21:50] <jetsaredim> looks to be an older version
[21:53] <jetsaredim> there's a newer version in their svn than even what's on a.m.o
[21:54] <jetsaredim> how does one go about updating a package?
[23:25] <asac> jetsaredim: i think i alreawdy have greasemonkey updated here ... because of bug 62758
[23:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62758 in greasemonkey "Package firefox-greasemonkey is incompatible with Firefox." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62758
[23:31] <Ubulette> [reed], so code freeze for b4 is in 3 days ? that's short
[23:32] <[reed]> yeah
[23:32] <Ubulette> we have so many crasher bugs in launchpad
[23:32] <Ubulette> and corruptions too
[23:34] <Ubulette> i'm running trunk and it freezes several times a day (started after b3)
[23:35] <Ubulette> [reed], is system sqlite stable now ?
[23:35] <[reed]> as long as you have the right version
[23:35] <[reed]> I think the version setting might be a little low
[23:36] <[reed]> need to check on that
[23:36] <Ubulette> i saw it broke earlier today
[23:38] <[reed]> well, there was one problem
[23:38] <[reed]> it got fixed, though
[23:39] <asac> Ubulette: the amount of crashes is moderate i would say
[23:40] <[reed]> lots of new Tango icons landing tonight, most likely
[23:40] <[reed]> :)
[23:43] <Ubulette> checking for sqlite3 >= 3.5... Requested 'sqlite3 >= 3.5' but version of SQLite is 3.4.2
[23:43] <Ubulette> damn
[23:44] <Ubulette> !info libsqlite3-0 hardy
[23:44] <asac> yeah ... most likely we won't have system sqlite because of this
[23:44] <ubotu> libsqlite3-0 (source: sqlite3): SQLite 3 shared library. In component main, is important. Version 3.4.2-2 (hardy), package size 207 kB, installed size 464 kB
[23:45] <Ubulette> too late ?
[23:45] <asac> if there is no pressing reason, yes.
[23:46] <asac> justifying with system-sqlite in xulrunner won't be enough i guess
[23:46] <Ubulette> !info libsqlite3-0 lenny
[23:46] <Ubulette> !info libsqlite3-0 sid
[23:46] <ubotu> libsqlite3-0 (source: sqlite3): SQLite 3 shared library. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.2-2 (lenny), package size 205 kB, installed size 424 kB
[23:46] <ubotu> libsqlite3-0 (source: sqlite3): SQLite 3 shared library. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.2-2 (sid), package size 205 kB, installed size 424 kB
[23:46] <Ubulette> !info libsqlite3-0 experimental
[23:46] <asac> there are too many rdepends that might break
[23:46] <ubotu> libsqlite3-0 (source: sqlite3): SQLite 3 shared library. In component main, is important. Version 3.4.2-1build1 (gutsy), package size 206 kB, installed size 460 kB
[23:46] <asac> experimental has it afaik
[23:46] <asac> oh even not
[23:47] <Ubulette> it's gutsy
[23:47] <Ubulette> what is the nickname of experimental ?
[23:47] <asac> there is none
[23:47] <Ubulette> hm
[23:47] <asac> just experimental
[23:47] <asac> experimental has
[23:47] <asac> experimental (misc): A command line interface for SQLite 3
[23:47] <asac> 3.5.6-1: alpha amd64 hppa i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 sparc
[23:48] <asac> 3.5.4-1: arm mips mipsel powerpc s390


[02:21] <ulysses_> Goodday mate
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:17] <Seeker`> popey: do you like Mischief Theatre stuff?
[17:10] <daftykins> i didn't know my cat, Mischief, was running a theatre!
[19:03]  * diddledan watching glittery dancers
[19:04] <diddledan> strictly come dancing. my guilty pleasure.
[19:04] <daftykins> shocking :(
[20:03] <DisgruntledAnon> Anyone here willing to help a complete noob install Ubuntu? Because I'm totally stuck here.
[20:03] <DisgruntledAnon> I've been trying to get this sorted out for some time today, but it seems that Ubuntu won't do anything for me. I open my boot menu, choose my USB, and then pick either run or install Ubuntu; but as soon as I pick one of those, the screen goes black, a green and blue stripe appears, and then a bunch of random white lines on a black background clutter up the screen.
[20:19] <daftykins> what is this, a desktop or laptop?
[20:21] <daftykins> DisgruntledAnon: are you already asking in another place...
[20:45] <DisgruntledAnon> sorry daftykins, I have been downloading the ubuntu server for the last 20 minutes while doing other things
[20:46] <DisgruntledAnon> That's the only advice I've gotten in regards to ubuntu having that problem -- it's on desktop btw
[20:50] <daftykins> hah
[20:51] <daftykins> DisgruntledAnon: advice from where? is it 17.10 you downloaded? what's the hardware spec of that machine?
[20:53] <DisgruntledAnon> I just downloaded the thing off the official ubuntu site - latest version is what I THOUGHT it was, but it only gives me 16.04, so idfk
[20:54] <DisgruntledAnon> My computer has a GTX 970 GPU, I think an intel i5 processor, two 500GB SSDs, and more RAM than I could possibly ever need in my life
[20:54] <chrome_browser> ha ha ha ha ha ha
[20:55] <brobostigon> DisgruntledAnon: keep in mind, the latest release is 17.10 and 16.04 is lts.
[20:56] <brobostigon> ie, lts means longest support release.
[20:56] <brobostigon> lts = long term support.
[20:59] <daftykins> DisgruntledAnon: ok easy on the language, obfuscated or not it's not necessary
[20:59] <daftykins> !nomodeset
[20:59] <lubotu3`> A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[20:59] <daftykins> DisgruntledAnon: see above ^
[20:59] <daftykins> also ensure your flash drive was prepared properly
[21:04] <disgruntledanon> FFS
[21:04] <disgruntledanon> This stupid thing is so broke, I spent almost five straight minutes trying to post something
[21:04] <daftykins> yeah you're going to need to stop doing that, right now
[21:04] <disgruntledanon> stop doing what?
[21:04] <daftykins> using the language.
[21:04] <disgruntledanon> what you mean the abbreviation "FFS?"
[21:05] <disgruntledanon> okay, didn't know that that would be a big deal
[21:06] <disgruntledanon> So, like I said, I lost the page somehow, wasn't letting me say anything. Had to close and reopen.
[21:07] <daftykins> right, the webchat to freenode
[21:07] <daftykins> !nomodeset
[21:07] <lubotu3`> A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[21:07] <daftykins> try that with the 16.04 desktop image you downloaded first, assuming it was put on the flash drive happily
[21:08] <disgruntledanon> nomodeset?
[21:08] <daftykins> yes
[21:10] <disgruntledanon> okay, I THINK I got this, but IRC's gonna close because I've been on it on the computer itself.
[21:13] <daftykins> ok
[21:33] <diddledan> zmoylan: having issues with your google browser?
[21:33] <diddledan> methinks it didn't work, daftykins
[21:33] <diddledan> or maybe it did and they've forgotten about you
[21:34] <zmoylan> just commenting on the idea that someone thought they'd never run out of ram diddledan :-)
[21:34] <diddledan> aha
[21:34] <diddledan> yeah my desktop has 32GigaNuts, and I'm not sure it's enough
[21:35] <diddledan> I am darned sure the 8GN in this lappy isn't enough
[21:35] <diddledan> the squirrels like it though
[21:35] <zmoylan> my main system had 4gb.  that's why i do all the important work on my rasp pi... :-)
[21:35] <zmoylan> *has
[21:35] <diddledan> lol
[21:36]  * penguin42 just put a 2GB video card into my main system that has 8GB - it feels very silly
[21:36] <daftykins> :)
[21:36] <daftykins> my nvidia 1070 is an 8GB, really is weird
[21:36] <diddledan> nono, put a 12GB gfx in
[21:37] <zmoylan> i always remember the arcade game outrun.  a car racing game that devoted 4mb to graphics... back when my zx speccy has 128k...
[21:37] <penguin42> zmoylan: Well the thing is I just got a uHD monitor; that's about 22MByte of video memory at minimum
[21:38] <daftykins> are you having to use it with scaling? i tried 1:1 on my new 4K TV and it's pretty ridiculous even at 55" XD
[21:39] <penguin42> daftykins: Running 1:1
[21:39] <daftykins> what's the size?
[21:39] <penguin42> 28"
[21:40] <penguin42> daftykins: It's a dell s2817q courtesy of their black Friday discounts
[21:41] <daftykins> ah har
[21:41] <daftykins> oh dear, it's a TN panel model
[21:42] <penguin42> daftykins: Looks fine here, I'm not that fussy
[21:42] <daftykins> should do all that washed out colours at odd angles thing though
[21:42] <diddledan> damned those twisty numats
[21:43] <penguin42> daftykins: a little, not much in it
[21:46] <daftykins> diddledan: also i think that user is just busy fuming in front of their PC XD
[21:47] <daftykins> RAH RAH RAH


[01:01] <axw> anastasiamac: do you want to do standup today?
[01:12] <anastasiamac> axw: i think i just lost u... reconnecting
[01:12] <axw> yeah
[01:14] <axw> anastasiamac: I've just restarted hangouts in case it was me...
[05:54] <axw> jam: finally got raft things working again, after making the changes to store API server addresses directly in raft cluster config: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8308
[06:34] <jam> axw: will look later today. is 8308 where I should start? It seems to say it was last updated 1 week ago
[06:41] <axw> jam: it is. some commits are from 7 days ago, some are new or updated
[08:45] <axw> jam: have you already started looking at my PR? I've got one last change to push... don't want to interrupt your reviewing if you've already started though
[08:46] <jam> k. I just looked at the very beginning, I haven't gotten very far, currently in standup
[08:46] <axw> jam: ok. I'll just add as extra commits, and rebase later
[08:46] <jam> sgtm
[09:14] <jam> wpk:  /wave
[09:15] <wpk> jam: o/
[15:11] <balloons> anyone working on updating lxdclient?
[15:15] <wpk> balloons: in juju, for current master?
[15:15] <wpk> balloons: if yes - yes, I am
[15:22] <balloons> wpk, I thought someone was :-) I'm working on doing the socket updates so juju works with both lxd sockets. Do you have a branch I can base off of?
[15:27] <wpk> balloons: I started today and I'm currently reading the code for both lxdclient and new client in lxd, so just branch off develop
[15:28] <balloons> wpk.. hmm, I wonder if I should wait on the work then. I need to pull in the newer lxdclient as well, so I didn't want to duplicate.
[15:28] <wpk> balloons: what do you want to have?
[15:35] <balloons> wpk, i need a new enough lxd that understands snaps
[15:39] <balloons> wpk, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1743719
[15:39] <mup> Bug #1743719: Juju should prefer lxd snap socket <juju:Triaged by nskaggs> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743719>
[15:41] <wpk> balloons: if you have something then you can push it to 2.3, I don't think we'll have the new LXD code in 2.3 anyways


[01:01] <Hew> Is it appropriate to ask a user to install a package from Intrepid on their Hardy system to test if their issue has been solved?
[01:01] <bdmurray> Not really.
[01:03] <Hew> bug #203144 was marked as fixed in Debian, so I think it would be useful for the reporter to test with the latest version in Intrepid. What's the best way to do this? Should I ask them to test on an Intrepid livecd?
[01:08] <bdmurray> Testing with a LiveCD is a good idea but I don't think alpha 1 every came out
[01:12] <Hew> bdmurray: yea, looks like it has been postponed to me as well. They could do it on a daily build, but there's no rush so I'll follow it up later on with an alpha. Thanks for your help :-)
[01:13] <bdmurray> Hew: No problem
[01:44] <greg-g> uh oh, my LP karma is starting to go down, dang summer internship interfering with bug triaging :)
[02:26]  * amireldor_ is away: I'm busy, sorry
[02:26] <Hobbsee> !away | amireldor_
[02:26]  * amireldor_ is back (gone 00:00:08)
[02:27]  * amireldor_ is away: I'm busy, sorry
[02:27]  * amireldor_ is back (gone 00:00:02)
[02:27] <amireldor_> Hobbsee, sorry i was testing ex-chat features
[02:28] <Hobbsee> amireldor_: i'm sure that's not a feature.  i'ts a bug :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> amireldor_: and please, not in #ubuntu and such.
[02:29] <amireldor_> Hobbsee, nah, the bug is inside my brain :) i'm a loco team leader hence the LoCo
[02:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:13]  * amireldor_ is away: I'm busy, sorry
[10:15] <gnomefreak> i cant remember the link to subscribe to all bugs in a project in LP can someone give me an example please
[10:16] <RAOF> gnomefreak: https://edge.launchpad.net/do/+subscribe
[10:16] <RAOF> Bon apetit
[10:17] <gnomefreak> RAOF: thanks
[10:18] <gnomefreak> :( this might not work
[10:21] <gnomefreak> ha thanks RAOF i did get it to work
[15:28] <motin_0> Hey guys
[15:28] <motin_0> I am running into falsely reported duplicates
[15:28] <motin_0> how can I revert a bug's duplication status?
[15:29] <motin_0> by having the bug falsely reported against the other one, it is not getting the attention it deserves, and other bugs which really are duplicates cannot be marked as such against it because it is already marked as a dupe...
[15:31] <motin_0> Here is the false duplicate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105251
[15:32] <motin_0> as the marked dupe target is "Fix Released", this bug will _never_ get fixed...
[15:33] <motin_0> I have been triaging bug the last 6 hours
[15:34] <motin_0> there are many bugs that would benefit from the ability to choose "Wishlist" importance, and adding the "feature-request" tag - but I do not have account privileges to do so...
[15:35] <motin_0> how can I apply for a membership in the bug squad?
[15:35] <motin_0> check my related bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~motin  you will find that I am a genuine ubuntu supporter and a valid triager
[15:42] <techno_freak> motin_0, you can go to "mark as duplicate" link on the left, and remove the shown bug number, click change
[15:43] <motin_0> techno_freak: I get an error message when trying that, sorry
[15:43] <motin_0> no wait
[15:44] <motin_0> motin_0: there is simply no number there
[15:44] <techno_freak> motin_0, if you are not in bug control but would like to change, please report it here so people can look at it and change it as required. if you would like to apply for bug control, ping bdmurray
[15:44] <techno_freak> motin_0, i just now unmarked it from a duplicate
[15:44] <motin_0> techno_freak: ok great
[15:44] <motin_0> I guess I'll be posting my proposed changes here until bdmurray gets back to me
[15:45] <techno_freak> motin_0, then comment it to the bug report
[15:45] <motin_0> thanks techno_freak
[15:46] <motin_0> now those bugs are correctly sorted
[15:47] <techno_freak> motin_0, welcome :)
[15:48] <bliZZardz> techno_freak , you did not answer a corollary to motion_0's Q : what is the criteria for membership in the BugSquad?
[15:50] <techno_freak> bliZZardz, read /topic
[15:50] <techno_freak> motin_0, read /topic
[15:51] <motin_0> techno_freak: thanks, just applied
[15:55] <bliZZardz> Q : if compiz is not part of the repos(before Gutsy), should all the bugs(which conform to it) be marked 'Invalid'? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses also states the same) - i wanted to confirm this.
[15:58] <techno_freak> bliZZardz, bugs on compiz over which release?
[15:59] <bliZZardz> techno_freak : check that link - search for 'compiz' in that page.
[16:00] <bliZZardz> techno_freak : or read my prev msg carefully :)
[16:01] <techno_freak> bliZZardz, it clearly states ""So the first step will be to find out which package version they have installed. In the event that it is not from the Ubuntu repository the bug should be set to Invalid. ""
[16:02] <techno_freak> bliZZardz, so you have to first comfirm whether the compiz version is the one in ubuntu repos or not
[16:02] <techno_freak> if it is not, then mark it as invalid
[16:15] <techno_freak> frustration building up over bug #38512 :[
[16:53] <motin_0> Hi all
[16:54] <motin_0> I have a suggestion to change the importance of a certain bug from "Wishlist" to "Confirmed", since it's status is "Fix Released": https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/96103
[17:04] <techno_freak> motin_0, wishlist to confirmed for a fix released bug?
[17:04] <motin_0> techno_freak: yeah, at least not keeping "Wishlist" since the bug was never a wishlist bug to start of with
[17:05] <techno_freak> motin_0, fix released is a higher level to confirmed, so you need not change a fix released to confirmed
[17:05] <techno_freak> motin_0, importance is different from status
[17:06] <motin_0> techno_freak: yeah I am clearly mixing it up since I do not have an insight in what importance levels are available
[17:06] <techno_freak> motin_0, if you are not clear please do not do anything without getting clarified here
[17:07] <techno_freak> motin_0, may be asking the one who marked it as wishlist and fix released might also help
[17:07] <motin_0> techno_freak: no, I wouldn't and can't change the importance
[17:08] <motin_0> techno_freak: as a learning case, what would be an appropriate Importance level? is it even relevant to care about the Importance level for Fix Released bugs? it would only be for historical reasons
[17:09] <techno_freak> motin_0, importance is marked for triaged bugs, so we know how important is to attend the bug. once it is fix released, then you need not worry too much about anything until someone reopens the bug
[17:10] <motin_0> techno_freak: ok great, then I can move on
[17:10] <motin_0> thanks
[17:45] <motin_0> Ok guys, now I'm finishing my 8h bug triaging - thanks for the support
[17:57] <Iulian> motin_0: 8 hours - that's great!
[17:58] <motin_0> Iulian: yeah and I'm totally starved and very craving for some human contact atm :P so I'm off to a house-warming party. cheers all!
[18:58] <\sh> bdmurray: ping
[18:58] <\sh> bdmurray: bug #243767
[20:03] <ppp> Should I raise a bug on problems with the patched NVIDIA .09 driver on Intrepid? The driver is patched by an Ubuntu dev to get it working on the 26.6.26 kernel. Asking due to it being patched
[20:13] <bdmurray> \sh: pong
[20:14] <\sh> bdmurray: please reply to my comment on bug #243767 :) thx :)
[21:21] <lupo__> hello everybody
[21:22] <lupo__> i'm looking for the right place to report a bug in the kde-guidance package
[21:25] <lupo__> ah, got it. never mind :)
[21:45] <ppp> Since no one replied, I reported it amongst other bugs on Intrepid alpha in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/243817