[00:26] <fairhb> is there a good resource I can reference for managing multiple versions of python?  apparently ubuntu 18.04 requires a certain version and applications I would like to install require a different version and higher versions aren't backwards compatible.
[03:33] <wb4bbc> Good Evening everybody
[09:04] <Agamemnon> Hey. Ubuntu Mate has an applet that has kept notifications? If I do not read a notification from the application, I would like it to be stored there.
[09:18] <alkisg> Haha, that was strange, I was just working on epoptes notifications and peristence :D
[10:23] <alejandro> Hola alguien que escriba en español?
[10:24] <diogenes_> !es | alejandro
[10:27] <alejandro> thank for the info ubuntu-es, i bad speak english
[10:27] <alejandro> bye
[11:23] <deskwizard> Howdy! o/
[11:26] <deskwizard> to make a long story short, I'm trying to get pm-utils to run a script on wakeup on 16.04, but I must be missing something obvious again 'cause it's not happening :P that's what I'm testing with atm, for the sake of seeing something happen hehe https://pastebin.com/pUBdQEuf
[11:28] <deskwizard> basically I copied and trimmed down the 95led one in/usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d.
[11:34] <alkisg> deskwizard: since the question isn't specific to the desktop environment you're using, you could also ask in #ubuntu where there are more people
[11:34] <deskwizard> alkisg: thanks for the tip :)
[12:04] <karjala_> Since this morning, I got this bug: I need to press alt+Tab twice to get the window chooser
[12:04] <karjala_> instead of just once
[12:04] <karjala_> Is anyone else having this bug?
[12:04] <karjala_> At first, when I boot, I don't have the bug, but it appears after a while, every time
[12:10] <alkisg> Try with another window manager, e.g. compiz, marco...
[12:10] <alkisg> (select from mate-tweak)
[12:21] <karjala_> i don't want to choose another window manager, i want the bug fixed
[12:21] <karjala_> also, the bug only occurs when I'm switched to the greek keyboard layout
[12:21] <karjala_> in the American keyboard layout, alt-tab works fine
[12:22] <karjala_> when in greek keyboard layout, alt-tab is alwaus needed twice
[12:22] <karjala_> i think this is a bug
[12:23] <alkisg> karjala_, the first step to solve a bug, is to see why it happens
[12:23] <alkisg> That was my first troubleshooting step
[12:23] <alkisg> If the bug is in the window manager, you'll know where to report it
[12:24] <karjala_> ok thanks
[12:29] <karjala_> I'm in the middle of doing work, and cannot switch window manager. Luckilly, I have Ubuntu MATE on a VM as well, I'll test there.
[12:29] <alkisg> karjala_, btw, what's the output of `setxkbmap -query` when you have the greek layout?
[12:31] <karjala_> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/3gucrZ0V
[12:31] <karjala_> are you greek?
[12:31] <karjala_> alkis is greek name
[12:31] <alkisg> yup
[12:31] <karjala_> me 2
[12:32] <alkisg> Yeah I got it :)
[12:32] <alkisg> Is ibus or fcitx running?
[12:32] <alkisg> ps aux | grep ibus
[12:32] <alkisg> ps aux | grep fcitx
[12:32] <karjala_> 1st question: do you have the same bug on your system?
[12:33] <karjala_> alkisg, I don't have either of the two
[12:34] <alkisg> No, I don't have the bug in 18.04 or 16.04
[12:34] <alkisg> I'm using marco, and my layout is different than yours
[12:34] <alkisg> options:    grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll
[12:34] <karjala_> my vm doesn't have the bug, either
[12:34] <alkisg> That means you're not using the default greek xorg layout, maybe you're using the kbd lib
[12:35] <alkisg> Which window manager are you using?
[12:35] <alkisg> ps aux | grep marco, or compiz etc
[12:35] <karjala_> I'm using the standard one that MATE came with
[12:35] <karjala_> look what I did:
[12:35] <karjala_> i have marco
[12:35] <karjala_> did ps aux and saw it
[12:35] <Agamemnon> Hi, Ubuntu Mate has something like notification tray? If you do not read a notification, it should be available in the tray as in cinnamon or kde. I asked this question earlier, but I was thrown out of bed and I was not able to read the answer.
[12:36] <alkisg> Thrown out of bed? Hehe, nice :D
[12:36] <alkisg> I don't think gnome2 or mate support persistent notifications
[12:37] <alkisg> (or xfce, or notification-daemon)
[12:37] <alkisg> Only gnome3 (=cinnamon too) and kde4 do
[12:37] <alkisg> You could file a feature request, see if the devs want to implement it in the future
[12:38] <alkisg> karjala_, I'm using marco too and I don't have the issue
[12:38] <karjala_> what is kbd lib?
[12:38] <karjala_> how can i tell whether i'm using greek xorg layout?
[12:39] <alkisg> karjala_, you probably went into mate settings to add language or keyboard layout
[12:39] <alkisg> While the "correct thing" is to select greek in installation, which then goes to xorg configuration, which then works for all desktop environments
[12:39] <karjala_> i don't think so
[12:39] <karjala_> let me check
[12:39] <karjala_> a
[12:39] <karjala_> yes i didn't do the correct thing
[12:40] <alkisg> Try this: gsettings list-recursively | grep -w gr
[12:40] <karjala_> but neither did i do the correct thing in my VM, which works without bug
[12:40] <karjala_> org.mate.peripherals-keyboard-xkb.kbd layouts ['us', 'gr']
[12:40] <alkisg> Now try: gsettings reset-recursively org.mate.peripherals-keyboard-xkb
[12:41] <alkisg> Btw, what's the output of this? cat /etc/default/keyboard | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:42] <karjala_> οοπσ
[12:42] <karjala_> oops
[12:42] <karjala_> i sent to termbin.com top secret data?
[12:43] <alkisg> Yes, the keyboard configuration
[12:43] <alkisg> It will tell NSA if you're using us,gr or gr,us
[12:43] <alkisg> They will arrest you for that
[12:43] <karjala_> i didn't see an output, and I closed it
[12:43] <karjala_> lol
[12:43] <alkisg> Run it again
[12:43] <alkisg> And paste the url here
[12:44] <karjala_> my terminal doesn't have copy url
[12:44] <alkisg> Type it
[12:44] <alkisg> It's small
[12:44] <alkisg> Or select and right click and copy
[12:45] <alkisg> mate-terminal does have copy
[12:45] <karjala_> http://termbin.com/wd08
[12:45] <alkisg> This is the correct one for greece: http://termbin.com/enmv
[12:46] <karjala_> shall i replace mine with yours?
[12:46] <karjala_> ?
[12:47] <karjala_> and after i replace, do i need to reboot for the change to take effect?
[12:48] <karjala_> rebooting
[12:52] <karjala_> alkisg, didn't solve the problem
[12:53] <karjala_> here's what's causeing the problem
[12:54] <karjala_> Step #1: Go to MATE Tweak
[12:54] <karjala_> Choose the "Panel" Tab
[12:54] <karjala_> check the "Enable HUD" checkbox
[12:54] <karjala_> Congratz, you have the bug
[12:54] <karjala_> but you get cured if you uncheck
[12:55] <karjala_> i solved my problem, thanks all
[12:55] <alkisg> karjala_, ah that explains it
[12:55] <karjala_> now it's up to the ubuntu team to fix it
[12:55] <alkisg> I always remove snapd and mate-hud
[12:55] <alkisg> It will never fix it if you don't report it
[12:56] <alkisg> to launchpad or github
[12:56] <karjala_> ok
[12:56] <karjala_> can you give me the url for github repo?
[12:57] <karjala_> https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/mate-tweak/issues
[12:57] <karjala_> found it
[12:57] <alkisg> not to tweak. to mate-hud.
[13:00] <karjala_> https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/mate-hud/issues/29
[13:00] <karjala_> thanks alkis
[13:00] <karjala_> mate is the best
[13:01] <alkisg> Great
[13:17] <karjala_> alkisg, what's your relation to the ub mate project? Just a power user?
[13:18] <alkisg> karjala_: I'm a developer of applications not related to mate
[13:24] <karjala_> me, web developer
[17:22] <elli> How do I disable Thunderbird Mail?
[19:04] <mate|13362> hello world!
[19:05] <mate|13362> Poland vs Colombia who wins?
[19:07] <diogenes_> antananarivo


[05:36] <jam> babbageclunk: a thought. Another possibility is to have leader epochs. So when unit A becomes leader it gets 10, and then when B supersedes it, it gets 11, etc. And then in the DB we store what epoc we think of the leader. Sort of equiv to the raft log entry, but less specifically tied to raft
[05:40] <babbageclunk> jam: yeah - that makes sense - I'll use that.
[08:21] <jam> manadart: I don't see an update on 2/7, shall we punt again today?
[08:22] <manadart> jam: Fine with me.
[09:02] <srihas> hi, can we install juju controller on the same MAAS node which hosts the Rack controller+region controller ?
[09:13] <zeestrat> srihas: Yes, if you setup some KVM VM's on the region/controller and add it to MAAS as nodes (see https://docs.maas.io/2.3/en/nodes-add#kvm-guest-nodes). Then you can use those VM's when you bootstrap your juju controller using constraints
[09:15] <srihas> zeestrat: I have MAAS controller running on a Physical node, in UCS cluster
[09:27] <zeestrat> srihas: Right. I'm not so familiar with UCS, but if you install KVM on that host and create some VM's on there according to the link above then you get some MAAS nodes for your juju controllers.
[09:29] <srihas> I have a MAAS region+rack controller already, won't it work?
[09:37] <zeestrat> srihas: Not out of the box unfortunately. Juju needs a ready MAAS node to bootstrap a controller on. In order to do that you can use physical nodes or some VM's. Easiest is probably to colocate KVM VM's on the MAAS controller or use VMWare VM's if you have that infrastructure.
[09:38] <srihas> zeestrat: ok, what do you mean by a "ready MAAS node" ?
[09:40] <zeestrat> srihas: Just a machine/node that is managed by MAAS and commissioned and ready to go: https://maas.io/how-it-works
[09:43] <srihas> zeestrat: ok, thank you :) I have deployed ubuntu on all commissioned nodes
[09:44] <srihas> so the process is like step1: add nodes; step2: commission; step3: Juju controller; and then deploy ubuntu? or its fine eventhough I have the deployed nodes to provision OpenStack ?
[09:56] <zeestrat> srihas: Aha, I see. You can skip the last step deploy ubuntu unless you really want blank ubuntu machines. If you want to use them with juju you'll need to leave them as ready.
[09:56] <zeestrat> Is the end goal to deploy OpenStack with Juju on MAAS?
[09:57] <srihas> zeestrat: yes thats the goal. aha, only ready :(
[09:57] <zeestrat> Have you checked out https://docs.openstack.org/charm-deployment-guide/latest/?
[09:58] <srihas> zeestrat: yrah, I am at this https://docs.openstack.org/charm-deployment-guide/latest/install-juju.html#testing-the-environment step and doubts raised
[09:59] <zeestrat> srihas: Cool. Do you end up with a functioning juju controller?
[10:00] <srihas> zeestrat: I think no, because I haven't bootstrapped yet
[10:04] <zeestrat> srihas: Ok. So as the guide mentions with `juju bootstrap --constraints tags=juju maas maas-controller` it expects a MAAS node tagged with `juju`. If you add the `juju` tag to a machine in MAAS then you can try to bootstrap to tat machine.
[10:05] <srihas> zeestrat: and I cannot use that machine in future for swift for example ?
[10:06] <zeestrat> Nope, that machine will be occupied by Juju then. That's why it's recommended to create some VM's on the MAAS controller so you don't lose more physical nodes.
[10:07] <zeestrat> Then you can add the `juju` tag to those VM's in MAAS so it uses those instead of physical nodes.
[10:08] <srihas> zeestrat: nice, thank you :) what's the purpose of this juju node ?
[10:08] <srihas> to act as controller for juju ops?
[10:09] <zeestrat> srihas: No problemo. Yes, the bootstrapped juju controller is the master controller which controls juju deployments
[10:09] <zeestrat> So your juju client talks to the juju controller which again talks to deployments
[10:10] <srihas> nice :)
[10:35] <jam> manadart: since you've been in the area, I have a RFC pr: https://github.com/juju/juju/pulls/8624
[10:35] <jam> I'd appreciate your feedback if you feel it is clearer/cleaner. Or whether you prefer the old styel.
[10:36] <manadart> jam: Looking.
[10:49] <jam> manadart: thoughts/comments ?
[10:50] <manadart> jam: I like it. Just adding some comments.
[10:56] <thim> I have a problem using bindings with the openstack-charms. For example if I try to deploy keystone I get an error "machine-0: 12:39:55 WARNING juju.provisioner failed to start machine 0/lxd/0 (unable to setup network: no obvious space for container "0/lxd/0", host machine has spaces: "admin-space", "default", "internal-space"), retrying in 10s (10 more attempts)".  Using MAAS 2.3.0 and Juju 2.3.5. Anyone else having these problems?
[10:58] <thim> part of yaml: https://pastebin.com/54isF2sJ
[10:59] <manadart> jam: Done.
[10:59] <manadart> jam: BTW, wouldn't mind a 2 minute chat if youv'e the time.
[11:03] <rmcd> Hello all, just a couple of questions regarding Apache Drill/Zookeeper. 1) How do I check the IP address of nodes with Amulet? and 2) How do I look up files on a node with Amulet? magicaltrout reckons there should be a way to do it with the deployment object... Thanks for the help!
[11:15] <manadart> thim: I believe you need to bind to the correct space. Something like: juju deploy <charm> --bind <space> --to lxd:0
[11:16] <thim> Yeah, done that - `juju deploy --bind "public=default admin=admin-space internal=internal-space shared-db=internal-space" cs:keystone -n 1 --to lxd:0`
[11:20] <thim> Same problem as using the yaml-file.
[11:29] <jam> manadart: I can join a HO if you like
[11:29]  * manadart heads to standup.
[11:30] <jam> thim: if you're deploying from a bundle to a substrate that has multiple spaces, then you need to edit the bundle to map your spaces for the various applications
[11:30] <jam> thim: easiest is to set all bindings for an application to a given space with a stanza:
[11:30] <jam> bindings:
[11:30] <jam>  "": internal-space
[11:30] <jam> but if you're doing openstack and you want internal vs admin vs etc, then you probably need to set multiple values
[11:32] <thim> @jam I've done that see - https://pastebin.com/54isF2sJ
[11:33] <thim> jam: also tried without the "": default
[11:33] <jam> thim: are you putting keystone into a container?
[11:34] <thim> jam: yeah, but I tried a couple of other charms as well - the error is still the same.
[11:35] <zeestrat> thim: Just to confirm, have you setup those spaces in maas and are they available for the nodes you're deploying on?
[11:36] <magicaltrout> kjackal: et al, got any pattern for checking files on a unit within amulet for my minions rmcd
[11:37] <kjackal> magicaltrout: what do you mean by checking?
[11:37] <magicaltrout> ah
[11:37] <magicaltrout> amulet sentry directory_listing
[11:37] <magicaltrout> or soemthing
[11:37] <magicaltrout> I want to check a config file is actually set correctly
[11:38] <magicaltrout> file_contents
[11:38] <magicaltrout> I believe
[11:38] <kjackal> I cannot think of anything fancy other than getting the file and looking at its content
[11:38] <magicaltrout> https://github.com/juju/amulet/blob/master/amulet/sentry.py#L153 that?
[11:38] <thim> zeestrat: Correct - https://pastebin.com/GtFzCLfL
[11:39] <thim> zeestrat: `juju spaces` is populated from MAAS
[11:40] <kjackal> sure magicaltrout, looks ok. Although you would better start using libjuju ;)
[11:40] <magicaltrout> don't make me sad kjackal
[11:40] <magicaltrout> whats the deal with testing these days
[11:40] <magicaltrout> amulet? or libjuju? or a munge of both?
[11:41] <kjackal> https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju  forget about amulet
[11:42] <magicaltrout> ya'll make me so sad
[11:42] <kjackal> https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/blob/37a7500245ae61fc2c103d1728a65b99485a9ef4/tests/integration/test_machine.py#L67
[11:47] <magicaltrout> thanks kjackal
[11:47] <magicaltrout> we're all very sad
[11:48] <rmcd> can confirm ^
[11:49] <jam> thim: so the values you have there look correct to me in passing, with the caveat that you probably need to do it for all applications. also, what specific version of Juju are you running. IIRC we fixed a particular bug where space constraints weren't being set early enough for containers
[11:49] <jam> so if the host machine launches fast enough and you're deploying a bundle, the container could try to start before the spaces were set.
[11:49] <jam> I *think* that is fixed in 2.3.5 but I'd have to look through changelogs to know for sure
[11:50] <jam> in the very short term, you can add a "constraints: spaces=X,Y,Z" to get around it.
[11:51] <thim> Yeah, I'm using 2.3.5 with MAAS 2.3.0. I'm currently just deploying Keystone because of time saving when destroying the machines. Already using constraints as well. `constraints: "tags=controller spaces=admin-space,internal-space,public-space"`
[11:51] <thim> *public-space = default
[11:52] <thim> just pasted from the wrong file.
[11:55] <kjackal> magicaltrout: rmcd: how can we cheer you up?
[11:57] <thim> jam: are you talking about constraints on the charm or the machine btw?
[12:02] <TheAbsentOne> kjackal: Is it actually possible with python-libjuju to deploy charms from within a charm in the same model? :/ Haven't used it so far
[12:03] <kjackal> TheAbsentOne: that charm should be able to talk to the controller, right?
[12:03] <kjackal> Havent tried it either
[12:05] <zeestrat> TheAbsentOne: Yeah, but it's a bit clunky. You'll need to create a juju service user in the model then talk to that. I asked about that on the last juju show and it's something that the team would like allow for inside the charms in the future
[12:06] <TheAbsentOne> kjackal: euhm yes, I suppose. I'm on a heavy theorycrafting trip and I kinda want a charm to decide what service should be deployed. I'll give an example. Imagine a charm that represents a mysql OR a postgres service. The charm then should deploy one of the 2 services itself all automatically.
[12:06] <TheAbsentOne> Ahn so it's a kinda a request zeestrat ?
[12:11] <TheAbsentOne> So as a summary: I want to create a charm that that listens on an incomming relation, it takes the requirements, chooses a good service and deploys the chosen service all in one kjackal zeestrat. As I see it now, it seems pretty impossible with juju
[12:12] <zeestrat> TheAbsentOne: Yeah. You can check out the latest episode for a bit more eloquent details. I asked about better interfacing charms and juju in order to scale and deploy things and it's on their list.
[12:13] <TheAbsentOne> Good to know!
[12:15] <kjackal> TheAbsentOne: I know of one charm that talks to the juju controller: https://jujucharms.com/charmscaler/2
[12:15] <zeestrat> TheAbsentOne: Regarding your summary, if you use an juju service account then you should be able to talk to juju with libjuju just fine and use any logic you want inside your charm. It's a bit greenfield at the moment but not impossible.
[12:16] <zeestrat> TheAbsentOne: Yeah, the charm above uses that approach (although a bit old).
[12:19] <TheAbsentOne> Thanks for the insight, big help guys!
[12:25] <jam> thim: so bug #1737565 was where we ran into this in the past, and that says it was fixed in 2.3.2 so it should be in 2.3.5
[12:25] <mup> Bug #1737565: no obvious space for container <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <foundations-engine> <juju:Fix Released by wpk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737565>
[12:26] <jam> a proper "bindings" section should be sufficient, so if it isn't working, we'd like to get logs of the controller preferably with: juju model-config logging-config="<root>=DEBUG;juju.rpc=INFO;juju.apiserver=INFO"
[12:26] <thim> jam: Yeah, I previously ran 2.3.2 and didn't work there either - so I upgraded to 2.3.5.
[12:31] <TheAbsentOne> Just one small question zeestrat what exactly do you mean with a "juju service account". Could you point me to some documentation?
[12:32] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: so the model credential work that's follow up to the current trust (cloud credentials access) isn't there atm
[12:33] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne the way it's been done so far is to create a juju account with model access and set via model config
[12:33] <rick_h_> err, not model config, but the charm config
[12:33] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: so that the charm can behave as a juju user with access to the model to make changes over the API (libjuju) like deploy thihngs
[12:34] <TheAbsentOne> I see, thanks for that clarificiation rick_h_ !
[12:34] <rick_h_> np, morning party people
[12:34] <thim> jam: Hmm.. I think i found the problem. It's the Juju GUI that probably parses the yaml file incorrectly.
[12:35] <thim> `juju add-machine -n 1 --constraints 0=t 1=a 2=g 3=s 4== 5=c 6=o 7=n 8=t 9=r 10=o 11=l 12=l 13=e 14=r 15= 16=s 17=p 18=a 19=c 20=e 21=s 22== 23=a 24=d 25=m 26=i 27=n 28=- 29=s 30=p 31=a 32=c 33=e 34=, 35=i 36=n 37=t 38=e 39=r 40=n 41=a 42=l 43=- 44=s 45=p 46=a 47=c 48=e 49=, 50=d 51=e 52=f 53=a 54=u 55=l 56=t --series xenial`
[12:35] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: what's this?
[12:38] <TheAbsentOne> I think you wanted to tag thim rick_h_ ? Or am I missing something? x)
[12:38] <thim> jam: When using juju cli it seem to work, but the state on the LXD is pending, but container is started and I can ssh to the machine.
[12:38] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: oh sorry, tab complete fail
[12:41] <TheAbsentOne> hehe no problemo
[14:07] <bdx> thim: if you haven't yet noticed, you were giving incorrect space names above
[14:07] <bdx> why you space bindings were failing
[14:08] <bdx> "host machine has spaces: "admin-space", "default", "internal-space""
[14:10] <bdx> or, excuse me, the way you were specifying them looks incorrect
[14:10] <bdx> `juju deploy <charm> --constraints "spaces=admin-space,internal-space,public-space"`
[14:10] <bdx> should be
[14:11] <magicaltrout> libjuju why does unit object only have a public address?
[14:11] <magicaltrout> am I missing something obvious?
[14:13] <bdx> thim: `juju deploy keysone --constraints "spaces=admin-space,internal-space,public-space" --bind default,public=default,admin=admin-space,internal=internal-space,shared-db=internal-space`
[14:17] <TheAbsentOne> magicaltrout: to be fair it feels I'm missing sanity and knowledge, when it comes to understanding libjuju x) I too was wondering before what unit really represented
[14:42] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.3/charms-working-with-units
[14:43] <bdx> it just represents a unit of an applications
[14:43] <bdx> application
[14:44] <TheAbsentOne> yeah bdx exactly but it was as a remark on what magicaltrout said. A unit in libjuju doesn't seem to know anything about the application
[14:45] <bdx> I see, is there an "application" object?
[14:46] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: possibly what you are looking for is https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/blob/master/juju/application.py#L26
[14:49] <admcleod_> hrm, anyone have any ideas why unit-get private-address is returning a hostname instead of an ip?
[14:49] <admcleod_> cory_fu: ^ ? :)
[14:50] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Unfortunately, it depends on the cloud.  There are some new fields in there that might be of help, but I'm not sure if any are guaranteed to be an IP
[14:51] <admcleod_> cory_fu: curious, cos its manual provider and im sure it was working until recently. new fields such as?
[14:52] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Fields related to the networking primitives: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/developer-network-primitives
[14:52] <TheAbsentOne> ahn thx bdx that might help
[14:53] <cory_fu> admcleod_: But like I said, I don't know if any of those will end up being helpful, but I think you are supposed to use them instead of private-address
[14:54] <admcleod_> ah ok
[14:54] <admcleod_> thanks
[14:57] <admcleod_> cory_fu: erm. do you know how i can list the bindings?
[14:59] <cory_fu> admcleod_: It's not integrated into reactive yet, unfortunately, but there are charmhelpers for it.  I have to admit, though, I haven't really used it.  I know stub understands it, but I'm sure he's asleep now.
[15:00] <admcleod_> ...
[15:00] <admcleod_> good lord
[15:01] <cory_fu> admcleod_: I *think* those fields might also be present in the relation data.  It's worth doing a raw dump of the relation data
[15:01] <admcleod_> all i want to do is get the private address of the machine. really shouldnt be that hard should it  :}
[15:02] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Try seeing if there are other auto-keys in the relation data
[15:02] <admcleod_> what if i only have one unit of one app deployed?
[15:02] <TheAbsentOne> cory_fu: not trying to meddle in the conversation but now that you are talking about it. What is the best way to dump all relation data actually, according to you?
[15:03] <cory_fu> TheAbsentOne: One-off / by hand for debugging?  I usually use: juju run --unit <unit/n> -- relation-get -r <rel:id> - <remote_or_local_unit/n>
[15:04] <cory_fu> TheAbsentOne: You can get the <rel:id> with: juju run --unit <unit/n> -- relation-list <rel_name>
[15:05] <cory_fu> TheAbsentOne: You could also always use debug-hooks and put a breakpoint in your charm code.
[15:05] <TheAbsentOne> Right cool, and could you access a list or something inside hooks or is a breakpoint the way to go
[15:05] <TheAbsentOne> ohn you answered already, thx cory_fu
[15:06] <admcleod_> cory_fu: ill go back to trying network-get (ill let you know what happens)
[15:12] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Thanks.
[15:34] <jam> balloons: bug #1765096 looks like our "updated" jujud-versions.yaml holds the wrong data
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1765096: 2.3.6 bootstrap fails <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765096>
[15:34] <balloons> yea, I was just noticing
[15:34] <jam> balloons: the code seems to expect a version.Binary which includes series and architecture, but it only contains the version #
[15:34] <balloons> yea, I'm certain I broke it in the new snapcraft build; not the one that was penidng
[15:35] <balloons> I'll push the right revision, trying to find it now
[15:37] <balloons> jam, ohh, nvm. hmm. it's just reading version=$(jujud version)
[15:38] <balloons> so that's odd
[15:41] <balloons> jam, yea it was the experimental snapcraft changes in the end, but I'm no longer sure why :-)
[15:42] <balloons> ahh, diff reveals all
[15:47] <admcleod_> cory_fu: i cant list the spaces, cos its maas. so i cant specify a binding...
[15:54] <jam> balloons: manadart: thumper: for whoever would like "juju remove-machine 0" now works on controllers for Mongo: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8625
[15:54] <jam> with caveats, but step along the path
[15:55] <admcleod_> cory_fu: sorry that shouldve been 'not maas'
[15:56] <cory_fu> admcleod_: My understanding was that the ingress-address should fall back to private-address when spaces aren't being used.
[15:56] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Also, I don't think maas / not maas is relevant, I think it depends on whether your charm defines network spaces.
[15:57] <cory_fu> admcleod_: But the ingress-address stuff is also relevant for cross-model relations, irrespective of network spaces.  wallyworld is also on the other hemisphere, though, unfortunately
[16:03] <admcleod_> cory_fu: well if i cant list spaces, i cant specify a binding, and i am told 'spaces not supported' when trying to list them with manual provider. i dont think i should have to change the charm to get the private ip address.
[16:26] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Did you check the relation data?
[16:26] <admcleod_> nope
[16:28] <admcleod_> cory_fu: if thers 1 unit and no relations, will that still work?
[16:29] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Oh, I was confused.  I thought you were trying to get the private address for a relation, but you want the local unit.
[16:29] <admcleod_> right, thats why unit-get originally
[16:32] <cory_fu> admcleod_: So, if you really need an IP, you have to do something like this: https://github.com/juju-solutions/jujubigdata/blob/master/jujubigdata/utils.py#L427-L441
[16:32] <cory_fu> admcleod_: But if you recall, that was a source of errors for us with the big data charms
[16:32] <admcleod_> cory_fu: lol
[16:32] <admcleod_> cory_fu: i thought i remembered something like that
[16:33] <cory_fu> Yeah
[16:33] <admcleod_> cory_fu: fwiw... wtf.
[16:54] <admcleod_> cory_fu: meanwhile. i seem to be having a pip3 issue with charm build. 'no such option: -d'
[16:56] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Are you using the snap?
[16:56] <admcleod_> cory_fu: yeah - i just refreshed it, then i refreshed with --beta
[16:56] <admcleod_> cory_fu: i would paste the error but my laptop is going crazy
[17:00] <admcleod_> cory_fu: oh of course i also have the apt version installed.
[17:01] <cory_fu> admcleod_: Ah yeah, I can only see that error coming from the apt version, since the snap is strictly confined and bundles its deps
[17:01] <admcleod_> been a while since i used this
[21:31] <wallyworld> cory_fu: admcleod_ : ingress-address will just be "private address" normally. with cmr, it may instead be set to "public address". network-get now talks generically in terms of ingress-address, bind-address, egress-subnets instead of  private/public address which have little semantic meaning
[21:33] <wallyworld> cory_fu: did you see the mysql interface bug? it seems relation-broken hook is, well, broken
[21:35] <cory_fu> wallyworld: Yeah, the -broken hook handling with RelationBase-based interface layers is known to be broken in general.  The easiest fix would be to update that interface layer to use Endpoints
[21:36] <wallyworld> cory_fu: is that on the todo list for anyone? i'd not be very productive trying to do it at my end
[21:37] <cory_fu> wallyworld: Not really, but it should be a fairly easy conversion.
[21:38] <cory_fu> wallyworld: With network-get, does it only work if a network space has been created?  How do you know what bind name to use?
[21:39] <wallyworld> cory_fu: network-get works with or without. from memory there's a --binding arg
[21:42] <cory_fu> wallyworld: Not according to https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.3/developer-network-primitives#network-get and admcleod_'s comment from earlier (he's EOD now)
[21:43] <cory_fu> wallyworld: The charmhelpers wrapper also require the binding name
[21:43] <wallyworld> cory_fu: just looked at code, network-get takes a positional arg for bindingname
[21:44] <cory_fu> wallyworld: So, I'm unclear on what one would pass to that?
[21:45] <wallyworld> cory_fu: i think you pass the endpoint name for which you want the address info
[21:45] <wallyworld> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YPTTYzFMbM/
[21:48] <wallyworld> cory_fu: if there's questions, best to send an email to #juju-dev since john will be able to give a much better answer. i didn't write the original code (just added the new args) so am not totally familiar with the finer detail
[21:48] <cory_fu> wallyworld: I guess the "what address I should listen on" really depends on who is going to be connecting to you, i.e. a relation (at least, an endpoint), and that's the bit that's confusing for me
[21:49] <cory_fu> But I think that calling it a "binding name" is confusing if it's in fact the endpoint name
[21:49] <wallyworld> cory_fu: right. juju knows if you are in a relation context or not, so it will vary what it gives to be the thing that is needed to listen on
[21:50] <cory_fu> wallyworld: About the mysql interface; are you hitting that?
[21:50] <wallyworld> cory_fu: generally, what you bind to will be independent of relation. what you advertise to the other side to send to (ingress address), will be relation dependent
[21:50] <cory_fu> I've just been called to dinner
[21:51] <wallyworld> cory_fu: i am not sure why it's called binding instead of endpoint, i didn;t write the code :-(
[21:51] <wallyworld> cory_fu: yeeah, am hitting the bug
[21:51] <wallyworld> in the interface layer
[21:51] <wallyworld> in my caas charm
[21:51] <cory_fu> wallyworld: I'll take a look at the mysql interface tomorrow
[21:51] <wallyworld> yay, ty
[21:51] <wallyworld> enjoy dinner
[21:51] <cory_fu> o/


[11:22] <sabhain> Jay2k1: thanks for the debug help last week.    Just joined the world of mythbuntu.  Installed 12.04.  Trying to figure out how to get to the Mythbuntu Control Center to get the Nvidia card working....
[22:56] <qwebirc6882> I installed the "regular" mythbuntu disc, and got it booted up and the audio is working properly.  Just trying to find the menu option that gets me into the Control Center so I can get the repos and the restricted Nvidia drivers working properly.
[23:00] <Jay2k1> let me see where that is
[23:00] <Jay2k1> i think under "system"
[23:01] <Jay2k1> yeah. applications -> system -> mythbuntu control center
[23:02] <Jay2k1> you should also find "nvidia x server settings" in the system menu.


[07:13] <daftykins> ooh my, the al(e)arm clock effect post pool night woke me up early, on a whim i checked my email and saw things had shutdown at dental practice #2 due to power disruption, so i just got everything fired back up \o/
[07:13] <daftykins> such spidey senses...
[07:39] <zxmpi> just how long is your pointy stick to poke the on button from home? :-P
[07:41] <daftykins> hehe, island sized!
[08:01] <zxmpi> was listening to history of computing podcast and heard of the televox a phone connected switch box that could turn on and off equipment when called. all you needed to do was whistle the right code to it
[08:01] <zxmpi> not bad for the 1930s
[08:03] <daftykins> ooh :D
[08:03] <zxmpi> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/robots-and-the-end-of-humanity/id1459202600?i=1000584374779
[08:03] <daftykins> now there's a scary .com ;)
[08:06] <zxmpi> please, humans will beat the robots to that end goal :-P


[00:01] <etharooni> Alas.  I just can't get this to work.
[00:03] <charlie-tca> someone better with sound, help, please!
[00:03] <GridCube> mmm
[00:03] <GridCube> can i get a recap?
[00:04] <etharooni> Hi!  Yeah, so I had some problems and removed .config and .cache and since then, my audio doesn't seem to work.
[00:04] <etharooni> That's really all I know.
[00:04] <GridCube> mmm
[00:05] <GridCube> have you done >alsa force-unload          and then >alsa forse-reload  ?
[00:05] <etharooni> I haven't.  BUt I suppose I can.
[00:07] <etharooni> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/etharooni/.gvfs Output information may be incomplete.
[00:07] <GridCube> that sounds wrong
[00:07] <GridCube> let me do some research
[00:07] <etharooni> Then it says Ulsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/etharooni/.gvfs Output information may be incomplete.
[00:08] <etharooni> whoopes
[00:08] <etharooni> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules
[00:08] <etharooni> And my nice little speaker icon disappeared
[00:08] <etharooni> Thanks for the helpage, people.
[00:10] <GridCube> etharooni, thats bound to happen
[00:11]  * GridCube should have warned you and apopligizes for dont
[00:11] <etharooni> Yeah.  Well I added it again just to see and the only cards are "Dummy output"
[00:11] <GridCube> yes have you done >alsa force-reload
[00:11] <etharooni> Yep.
[00:12] <etharooni> http://pastebin.com/K1yjuf8d
[00:14] <etharooni> Hmm.  I'mma reboot.  Just in the off-chance that fixes something.  See you.
[00:16] <etharooni> It works!
[00:16] <GridCube> :(
[00:16] <etharooni> Well that's nice.
[00:16] <GridCube> :D
[00:17] <GridCube> i was starting to get scare about it
[00:17] <GridCube> XD
[00:17] <etharooni> Naw, not an issue.
[00:17] <GridCube> :)
[00:17] <etharooni> Don't worry.
[00:18] <GridCube> :D good then it worked
[00:18] <etharooni> Thanks for your help, GridCube and charlie-tca
[00:19] <GridCube> :)
[00:19] <GridCube> de nada :)
[05:49] <Unit193> So... I can't upload a file from a gvfs mounted location unless I manually type it in? That's crap...
[07:47] <Wizard> hi
[08:42] <narender> hey people, need some help on changing profile picture in xubuntu on xfce, kindly help..
[08:43] <narender> hey people
[08:44] <narender> any buddy home... can some one help..
[08:48] <Unit193> narender: Place a jph file in your home with the name .face
[08:49] <Unit193> ...or not
[09:46] <stephanmg> i installed compiz and compizconfg-settings-manager, but i cannot execute compizconfig-settings-manager, because it is not in my $PATH or what?
[10:01] <gr8m8> stephanmg: isn't it called ccsm or similar?
[10:01] <gr8m8> !compiz
[10:23] <stephanmg> gr8m8: mh i don't know i'm on natty narwhal.
[10:23] <stephanmg> ccsm isn't found still
[12:22] <marijn> is there a way to have xfce4-session start a window manager other than xfwm4?
[12:23] <marijn> i found tutorials online that say you can just kill xfwm4, start you window manager, and save the session, but that doesn't seem to work (anymore)
[12:24] <marijn> or is there maybe a channel that's more suitable for xfce questions?
[12:24] <TheSheep> there is always #xfce
[12:24] <TheSheep> they may know better
[12:24] <marijn> thanks
[12:30] <Wizard> marijn: use session editor
[12:31] <Wizard> on session tab you have all applications registered by session
[12:32] <marijn> Wizard: which binary is that? xfce4-session-settings?
[12:32] <Wizard> xfwm4
[12:32] <Wizard> don't quit it!
[12:32] <Wizard> which wm do you want to run instead of xfwm?
[12:32] <marijn> xmonad
[12:32] <Wizard> you're asking for toubles ;P
[12:32] <marijn> i can get it to work for a single session by killing xfwm4 and starting xmonad, but as soon as i log out it's back to the default
[12:33] <marijn> no, really, it seems to work surprisingly well
[12:33] <Wizard> than kill xfwm, start xmonad and click save session in session settings
[12:33] <marijn> xmonad doesn't show up in the list of running programs there, though
[12:33] <marijn> and i can't figure out why not
[12:34] <Wizard> probably it doesn't support xsession protocol
[12:34] <marijn> i guess it doesn't
[12:34] <marijn> where is the session saved? i could edit it by hand...
[12:34] <Wizard> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_XFCE
[12:35] <Wizard> check this out
[12:35] <marijn> that's what i followed
[12:35] <Wizard> hmm
[12:35] <marijn> doesn't seem to work with the latest xfce
[12:35] <Wizard> ~/.cache/sessions
[12:35] <marijn> okay, let me try
[13:13]  * Wizard yawns
[13:20] <plantoschka> is it somehow possible to show file transfer speed in the copy/move progress windows in xubuntu ?
[13:27] <Wizard> hmm, i think it is not possible in thunar..
[13:28] <Wizard> and i don't remember if any file manager does that
[13:29] <Wizard> you can allways fill feature request, it would be nice :)
[13:50] <keitazor> hello ;)
[13:51] <Wizard> hi keitazor
[13:57] <plantoschka> feature request for xfce or xubuntu?
[14:00] <Sysi> for xfce would propably be better
[14:00] <Sysi> you can use iotop
[14:01] <Wizard> cool tool
[14:02] <Wizard> xfce devs are pretty friendly.. i suggested one change, the told me: send a patch
[14:02] <Wizard> ;P
[14:03] <Sysi> xfce is quite short on staff
[14:03] <Wizard> yeah, i know
[14:04] <Wizard> i even tried to prepare that patch for them, but i failed :)
[14:04] <Sysi> it's still propably the most stable DE
[14:04] <Sysi> some apps and plugins are getting old, but still great
[14:05] <Wizard> the only thing which annoys me is xfce's lack of consistency
[14:05] <Wizard> and general interface guidelines
[14:08] <Wizard> but what i like is that from release to release it's getting better (and still not bloated)
[14:10] <Sysi> it has features i like, and it *works*
[15:11] <planet8> What is the name of the menu in the botton that xubuntu uses?
[15:11] <charlie-tca> In Xubuntu 11.04, that is called panel 2
[15:11] <planet8> I mean, what is the name of the package?
[15:12] <charlie-tca> It is a panel, just as the one on top is a panel
[15:12] <charlie-tca> We hand built the launchers into it
[15:12] <charlie-tca> as part of the theme
[15:12] <planet8> I see, it looks nice, I thought it was something else.
[15:13] <charlie-tca> nope, the package providing it is the greybird theme
[15:13] <planet8> thanks
[15:14] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:00] <XubuntuKris> is there an easy way to format an sdcard to fat32?
[17:02] <GridCube> gparted
[17:02] <XubuntuKris> Ah, I knew I had seen that mentioned somewhere. thanks.
[17:02] <GridCube> :)
[17:03] <XubuntuKris> now, how to burn an img to it to make it bootable?lol
[17:03] <XubuntuKris> I'll find it through google.
[17:05] <GridCube> image?
[17:05] <GridCube> use unetbootin to make booteable usb stuff XubuntuKris
[17:06] <XubuntuKris> It's not a usb
[17:06] <XubuntuKris> it's an 8gig class 6 sdcard
[17:06] <GridCube> :P could you place it on a usb card reader?
[17:06] <GridCube> pendrives are just that but integrated
[17:08] <XubuntuKris> I've found a guide. it's showing a terminal command "dd if=blabla of=blabla
[17:09]  * GridCube doesnt know about that he just uses unetbooting when he wants booteable stuff
[17:10] <GridCube> there is also a way to install grub into it and tell it to boot the img inside, don't really know how
[18:35] <Wizard> ping
[18:35] <Wizard> is there a way to put thunderbird in message-indicator?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> not yet
[18:37] <Wizard> i see there's a tutorial on ubuntu forums, i guess it won't blink envelope icon, just adds thunderbird to indicator menu
[18:51] <Wizard> seems i was right
[18:57] <Wizard> k, i've added gnome integration plugin, installed notify-send and now it at least shows balloons
[18:58] <Warlock_11> Hello
[18:58] <Unit193> Wizard: There is an addon on launchpad (Not official!) that will add most/all of what you may be looking for (I use it) https://launchpad.net/libnotify-mozilla
[19:01] <Warlock_11> Looking for help with Translation settings in puTTY. I get strange characters when I look at info pages in a puTTY session connecting to a laptop running xubuntu. Typically this is resolved by changing the translation settings in puTTY to UTF-8 however this does not seem to resolve the problem. Any suggestions?
[19:03] <Wizard> i have no idea, Warlock_11
[19:03] <Wizard> but i may try
[19:05] <Wizard> could you tell me which info page are you browsing?
[19:05] <Warlock_11> I was looking at top
[19:06] <Wizard> hm, it doesn't show any strange chars in xfce term
[19:06] <Wizard> do you have translated info pages?
[19:08] <Warlock_11> No I don't use any translated pages. At work I can simply export my DISPLAY to my Windows Desktop and run xfce4-terminal and it looks good at home however via VPN I don't want to suffer through tunneling an Xsession to my laptop.
[19:10] <Warlock_11> I run a Squid Proxy on off of this laptop for my Admin team that gets us around a websense filter. It was the easiest way to deal with having to request a bypassed IP address each time we added a new device to our desks.
[19:13] <Warlock_11> I will keep digging on google.com/linux and see what I can find. i just thought if someone else had come across this. I have been saying I would install a wiki to document all my fixes and just maybe I will do that once I figure this seemingly benign but annoying problem out.
[19:14] <Warlock_11> Take care Wizard!
[19:14] <Wizard> lol
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 40 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:21] <Wizard> too bad i planned floor painting
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 1 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[20:49] <Wizard> hi again
[21:32] <xrdodrx> Wizard, hello
[22:03] <Wizard> xrdodrx: hi
[22:48] <Wizard> i have xubuntu natty installed on two machines and on both selecting turn off from session menu logs out
[22:48] <Wizard> :/
[23:13] <Wulong> Wizard: same here, but it had disappeard now. Think its because of some update.
[23:50] <charlie-tca> Wizard: the issue is due to incompatibility with Xorg . It is being worked by Xfce, and the workaround is to logout, then restart or shutdown from the gdm screen
[23:51] <charlie-tca> and every distro using xfce has that same issue


[07:27] <cryosphere> ahh
[07:27] <cryosphere> anyone here
[07:28] <cryosphere> i have a bizzare problem - I have to reboot to be able to use my usb devices and connect to the internet, if you think you can/want to help please see http://www.pastebin.ca/325444, scroll down towards the bottom (start at line 146)


[04:52] <bigjools> wgrant: thanks :)
[05:37] <wgrant> bigjools: np!
[21:46] <tsimonq2> if I really took the time to fix this and present an MP against Launchpad, would it be accepted? My PPA says You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:tsimonq2/test to your system's Software Sources. (Read about installing) sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tsimonq2/test sudo apt-get update"
[21:46] <tsimonq2> it could be fixed to sudo apt update
[21:47] <tsimonq2> but the thing is, in precise, that's not supported yet
[21:47] <tsimonq2> you have to use apt-get
[21:47] <tsimonq2> so I assume that sort of change wouldn't be appropriate yet?
[21:49] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: indeed; and it wouldn't be a "fix", it's just a bit cosmetically better
[21:49] <tsimonq2> or maybe it could be corrected to that but show something like, "On systems running Ubuntu 12.04, run this instead:" ?
[21:49] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: no point in causing compatibility confusion for the sake of somewhat nicer progress output
[21:49] <tsimonq2> I see cjwatson
[21:49] <cjwatson> no, sudo apt-get update is still perfectly valid on more recent systems too
[21:49] <cjwatson> it's not wrong, it's just not the newest hotness
[21:49] <cjwatson> but that's fine
[21:49] <cjwatson> let's not complicate the UI further
[21:50] <cjwatson> I mean, yes, I use sudo apt update myself, but changing LP can wait a bit more :)
[21:50] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: maybe I could wait until precise is EOL? ;)
[21:51] <tsimonq2> I mean, totally the choice of the Launchpad team
[21:51] <cjwatson> we would probably consider it after that point, yes
[21:51] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[21:51] <cjwatson> maybe not like the next day, there'll still be a whole bunch of precise users around and we don't delete precise PPAs or anything
[21:52] <cjwatson> but with some kind of respectable interval :)
[21:52] <tsimonq2> well which is why I suggested adding that switch, to make that show up only if there's precise packages (if even possible) and then just reverting it when the time comes :)
[21:53] <tsimonq2> but I guess I can live with it until then
[21:56] <tsimonq2> thanks cjwatson


[03:39] <phillw> would it be rude to ask why it has taken over 6 hours to add 14 ISO's to the RC tracker from the due date of 21:00 UTC?
[04:45] <pitti> Good morning
[05:02] <jibel> Good morning
[05:07] <elopio> good morning pitti, jibel.
[05:08] <pitti> hey elopio
[05:09] <jibel> Good morning elopio
[05:10] <elopio> hey, do you know how can I debug when the key strokes send by autopilot are being ignored?
[05:10] <elopio> for example, on a textfield on the phone I do keyboard.press_and_release('End'), and most of the times nothing happens.
[05:11] <elopio> but sometimes it works. I have no idea where's the problem, or how to find it.
[05:12] <phillw> pitti: jibel elopio elfy good morning :) I'm hoping the 21:00 UTC for yesterday may not be too prolonged :D. But, with my dark humour around... get the RC's as good as you can :)
[05:13] <elfy> phillw: morning
[05:13] <elopio> o/
[05:14] <thomi> elopio: based on past experiences, the problem is almost always in qtubuntu
[05:14] <phillw> hi elfy, I've got about one more hour left in my personal battery.. just trying to help a team out...
[05:14] <elfy> phillw: my batteries are flat
[05:14] <elopio> thomi: hey, you are still here. Any pointers to debug?
[05:15] <thomi> elopio: sorry, no.. I usually complain to someone like ricmm
[05:15] <elopio> well, that's a good tip.
[05:15] <phillw> Chilean Merlot... does wonders, the side effect is that you speak your mind and people don't like that sort of thing :D
[05:17] <elopio> phillw: :)
[05:19] <phillw> Is there anyone on the channel who is familiar with WordPress ? and, yes. it is for a team.
[05:31] <elopio> phillw: wordpress was a long time ago. Haven't touched it in 3 years.
[05:33] <phillw> elopio: I'm reading through http://wordpress.org/support/topic/edit-home-page as found my a well known search engine :)
[05:33] <phillw> s/my/by
[05:37] <phillw> elopio: yikes!
[05:43] <veebers> elopio: I filed this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1238417 and this bug was helpful https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1233944 for getting details on input, not sure if it helps you in this instance though
[05:43] <veebers> elopio: namely the 2 commands:
[05:43] <veebers> initctl set-env MIR_SERVER_INPUT_REPORT=log
[05:43] <veebers> initctl set-env MIR_SERVER_LEGACY_INPUT_REPORT=log
[05:43] <veebers> elopio: again, not sure if it will be helpful, just thought that I would mention :-)
[05:44] <elopio> veebers: I was debugging it without Mir. But I'll take a look at that, thanks.
[06:09] <DanChapman> morning all
[08:13] <om26er> ubuntu-qa with the very latest image. can you use the OSK ?
[08:13] <om26er> OSK comes up but tapping on it does nothing
[08:30] <rhuddie> om26er, with 20131010.2 I can use OSK
[08:31] <om26er> rhuddie, right. I rebooted the phone and it works for me too. I think its a race. trying to see if I can recreate it again
[08:32] <rhuddie> om26er, good luck :)
[09:02] <pitti> om26er: image 92 here (from this morning), OSK works in messaging app
[09:03] <pitti> om26er: also works in network indicator for connecting to my wifi (first time, entering passwd)
[09:04] <pitti> except that the changed design to input the password into that popup box is horrible
[09:04] <pitti> (no option to show the password any more)
[09:05] <om26er> pitti, yeah, I talked to MacSlow about that and there is no design for that..
[09:06] <pitti> the point is, this already worked :/
[09:06] <pitti> there was nothing wrong with the previous one..
[09:06] <pitti> om26er: but anyway, OSK works here
[09:06] <pitti> (mako)
[09:07] <om26er> right, that was inside the menu, design wanted that as a snap decision and here we are :/
[09:07] <om26er> pitti, right. I couldn't reproduce the issue here either. probably something to do with unity8 restart in my session
[09:07] <pitti> om26er: bug 1238417 again?
[09:08] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:09] <jaywink> hey people .. tried my first ISO testing and this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough says virtualbox, testdrive needed. However, I also found qemu-system package is needed otherwise: "qemu-system-x86_64: not found" .. is this normal, should it be in the wiki? (can add if so)
[09:09] <om26er> probably, not really sure. as in my case the problem was with "real" touches. probably some stacking problem
[09:10] <pitti> uinput devices are not more or less real than touchpads from the perspective or Mir
[09:10] <pitti> they are just standard linux evdev devices
[09:11] <slickymaster> balloons: Hi, do you have any info on the RC images? Has it been pulled? Neither http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55393/downloads nor http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55394/downloads contains anything.
[09:25] <jaywink> to my previous question = it seems testdrive is defaulting to kvm (which required qemu), selecting virtualbox from preferences launched in virtualbox .. this is missing from wiki
[09:38] <rhuddie> om26er, did you raise a bug on the OSK not working?
[09:39] <om26er> rhuddie, I couldn't reproduce the issue again
[09:40] <rhuddie> om26er, ok. I've found it doesn't work in landscape mode... you can try it in Messaging and Notes apps. I'll raise a bug on it.
[09:42] <om26er> for the landscape mode there is already a bug
[09:42] <om26er> its being worked on (probably got a branch attached to it as well)
[09:43] <rhuddie> om26er, ok, I don't need to raise that then
[09:43] <rhuddie> om26er, I presume the problem you saw earlier was in portrait mode?
[09:44] <om26er> rhuddie, yes I saw that issue in portrait
[10:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:23] <slickymaster> balloons: Also, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20131011/saucy-desktop-i386.iso is a broken link
[10:57] <slickymaster> balloons: disregard my last entry, the links is now reestablished
[11:52] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[11:53] <knome> slickymaster, pong
[11:54] <slickymaster> knome: hi, good morning
[11:55] <knome> slickymaster, good day :)
[11:55] <slickymaster> just a quick one. On the Xubuntu-docs there is a phrase which I think has an error: "To see all available connections, click the NetworkManager icon"
[11:56] <slickymaster> Shouldn't it be "To see all available connections, click the <application>NetworkManager</application> icon" instead?
[11:57] <slickymaster> knome: translating it in Launchpad it's line/item 287
[11:59] <knome> possibly, but you should still translate as it is
[12:00] <slickymaster> knome: will do it then, but do you think I should filed a bug againts it?
[12:00] <knome> slickymaster, yep. you can file a bug against xubuntu-docs in launchpad
[12:01] <slickymaster> knome: will do it then
[12:01] <slickymaster> knome: thanks
[12:02] <knome> np, thanks
[12:12] <slickymaster> knome: just one last question, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/xubuntu-docs the right place to file the bug?
[12:12] <knome> slickymaster, yep
[12:12] <slickymaster> knome: thanks again ;)
[12:45] <om26er> ubuntu-qa does pause (||) button work for you while on call ?
[12:56] <om26er> rhuddie, the issue that I was facing is bug 1238637
[12:56] <om26er> it happens once unity is restarted
[12:57] <rhuddie> om26er, thanks for the info
[13:26] <phillw> balloons: ping
[13:33] <phillw> knome: would you do me a massive favour, please?
[13:34] <davmor2> om26er: did you get a replay on the pause issue you saw?
[13:34] <om26er> davmor2, that was pause issue, I think.. In the call app
[13:35] <davmor2> om26er: yes did anyone respond to it?
[13:36] <om26er> davmor2, the devs responded. I proposed a branch to disable that button because the feature is not implemented yet
[13:37] <davmor2> ah right no probs then
[14:08] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[14:09] <knome> slickymaster, pong
[14:10] <knome> phillw, tell me
[14:11] <slickymaster> knome: still about what we discuss this morning, do see any issues with me assigning myself to the bug and correct it? there are at least 5 occurrences of that mistake on xubuntu-docs
[14:11] <knome> slickymaster, nope, that's fine
[14:12] <slickymaster> knome: i can get the branch and make the corrections, but I can't upload to the branch. How do I go about that?
[14:12] <knome> slickymaster, send a merge proposal
[14:13] <slickymaster> knome: so there's no problem with pushing it, even though I can not upload to it?
[14:14] <knome> slickymaster, pust to ~yourlpnick/xubuntu-docs/mybranch
[14:14] <knome> slickymaster, then do a merge proposal against lp:xubuntu-docs
[14:15] <elopio> good morning!
[14:16] <slickymaster> knome: your a real savior. I'll do everything this weekend and I'll have the merge proposal ready for review saturday or sunday
[14:16] <slickymaster> knome: thnaks
[14:17] <slickymaster> thanks
[14:18] <knome> slickymaster, *you're ;)
[14:18] <knome> slickymaster, cheers!
[14:18] <knome> morning elopio
[14:19] <elopio> o/
[14:19] <slickymaster> knome: :) you're right, my fingers don't always do what my brain told them to do
[14:27] <slickymaster> knome: sorry for annoying you, but the corrections are made in the xml files residing in the xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/C/ folder, right?
[14:28] <phillw> knome: would you be so kind as to let the -release team know that the lubuntu alternate images are not on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds
[14:31] <jibel> davmor2, I added a test case to the home scope search bug 1238671
[14:31] <jibel> jfunk, ^ another important bug
[14:31] <knome> phillw, they're available now, i went and activated them
[14:33] <davmor2> jibel: cool thanks
[14:40] <slickymaster> knome: sorry for annoying you, but the corrections are made in the xml files residing in the xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/C/ folder, right?
[14:42] <davmor2> jibel: http://ubuntuone.com/7K5qnmXlJGBKPuuC27V8sT   and then http://ubuntuone.com/28ZVXDeOvhbf9QWYbgBJyD is what I get so I'd say that is confirmed :)
[14:47] <jibel> davmor2, thank you :)
[15:08] <phillw> knome: thanks!
[15:51] <elopio> ping ubuntu-qa. Somebody with a nexus 7? For gatox, it crashes when opening the launcher.
[15:52] <elopio> it would be nice if somebody can give it a try.
[15:52] <davmor2> elopio: on what image?
[15:53] <elopio> davmor2: yesterday's. He's reflashing.
[15:54] <davmor2> grabbing 93 now
[16:00] <balloons> ping elopio
[16:01] <elopio> balloons: pong.
[16:02] <balloons> elopio, so I found an app that doesn't like to open the toolbar with the swipe action (it doesn't go high enough). However it's a custom toolbar and is still failing because it doesn't respect the .open property
[16:02] <elopio> balloons: I have a branch that swipes to the full high of the toolbar.
[16:02] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/drag_toolbar/+merge/189206
[16:02] <balloons> elopio, ahh nice.. That's what I was going to ask about :-)
[16:03] <elopio> I think it hasn't landed because they disabled the automatic landing.
[16:03] <balloons> lol, it's like you read my mind
[16:04] <elopio> balloons: I have. Tell me another request and I'll give you the URL to the branch in 5 seconds.
[16:12] <cgoldberg> elopio, i have the old Nexus7.. would that help?
[16:17] <davmor2> elopio: pulling the launcher out is fine clicking on it isn't
[16:19]  * robotfuel waves at cgoldberg
[16:20] <cgoldberg> robotfuel, you are on Mir team right?
[16:20] <robotfuel> cgoldberg: yes
[16:21] <cgoldberg> robotfuel, have you heard of any discussions about developing something similar to Xvfb for Mir?  Basically a Mir-VirtualFramebuffer.
[16:21] <cgoldberg> .. or how do you run a Mir test headless?
[16:22] <elopio> cgoldberg: thanks. davmor2 is already on that.
[16:22] <robotfuel> cgoldberg: hmm you might be able to create a surface and run it there. I haven't tried. I will ask about it on monday during the standup.
[16:22] <elopio> thanks davmor2.
[16:23] <robotfuel> cgoldberg: I am sure there is a way to do it.
[16:24] <cgoldberg> robotfuel, great... because Xvfb is a vital tool for testing and CI.  so eventually we need some way to run tests that use Mir without a display.
[16:25] <cgoldberg> robotfuel, I'm also maintainer for a python wrapper for Xvfb... would be cool to do a similar one for Mvfb (the name I'm giving said project :)
[16:36]  * DanChapman waves to balloons o/
[16:36]  * balloons waves back
[16:37] <balloons> DanChapman, did jibel get back to you?
[16:37] <DanChapman> balloons: not yet mate. Not sure if he did after I went, should probably check the logs
[16:38] <balloons> it's a late friday afternoon for him ;-) We can pow-wow on monday
[16:41] <DanChapman> balloons: yeah sounds good to me (Gives me a bit more time to finish my TODO's). Would be good to get it running for release :-)
[16:41] <balloons> Yes, I'd like it to run all week next week so we can see how it does
[16:42] <balloons> i'd like to monitor it as new respins come out, et
[16:42] <balloons> to see if it catches any regressions
[16:43] <DanChapman> balloons: Yeah, will be good to see the output. Whats been the most common regression in the past?
[16:44] <balloons> mm.. I would suspect we might see breakage with the new stuff, aka the new screens
[16:44] <balloons> regressions in the past were the more complex things generally by this time in the cycle. failing to install under specific conditions
[16:44] <balloons> but there are also UI glitches.. I wonder how many we'll catch
[16:48] <DanChapman> well i've found one UI glitch today which i'm looking to see if a bugs been already filed for. When selecting 'something else' and going to the next page the page title briefly displays 'Something else' and then falls back to the page before's title 'Installation type' until you click install now and then it comes back to 'Something else'. Been causing me a right PITA today
[16:51] <balloons> DanChapman, we should keep notes on this.. hmm, ideas on a place/
[16:51] <balloons> DanChapman, perfect example
[16:54] <DanChapman> balloons: well theres already one filed for it. bug 1066152. THe thing is should i be getting the tests to fail on this or skip over it until its fixed?
[16:54] <balloons> DanChapman, right that's kind of the fun thing isn't it
[16:54] <balloons> the tests are failing as they should because of the bug
[16:57] <balloons> DanChapman, I'm wondering if we don't add some try blocks around things and not stop the tests, but simply throw errors..
[16:57] <balloons> I mean the point is we'll have some errors we might find that won't prevent finishing attempting the install
[16:58] <balloons> if we could mark those and still fail the tests, but in theory have it continue to see if more errors can be found
[16:59] <DanChapman> balloons: ok i see what your saying so for minor errors try and hold them back failing until the end
[17:01] <balloons> DanChapman, yea thinking aloud that might be the way to sustainably move forward
[17:01] <balloons> in theory that means we could have several errors occur during the install
[17:02] <balloons> I mean certain errors, like say a screen not being accessible would halt the test, but a bad label shouldn't necessarily do so
[17:02] <balloons> what do you think?
[17:03] <balloons> it's a bit different
[17:03] <balloons> DanChapman, yea I mean you could wrap things and if they fail throw a nice warning and continue. At the end of the test you can fail it if you threw any warnings
[17:05] <DanChapman> Yeah i agree i think things like 'label' values not being correct isn't worthy of of an early fail. I will have a play and see what I can come up with :-)
[17:06] <balloons> awesome.. this just keeps getting more interesting doesn't it?
[17:07] <balloons> DanChapman, btw I've failed to get this going, but if you'd like, fill it in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/ubiquity
[17:07] <DanChapman> balloons: it does indeed :-) Yeah i can add some bits to it
[17:08] <balloons> I want that page to function as a pesudo status page, but mostly as a page to kickstart anyone who wishes to help out
[17:08] <balloons> so if you want to braindump what it would take for someone else to help out, I think that would be good :-)
[17:09] <DanChapman> Yeah sure thing :-)
[17:09] <balloons> DanChapman, right.. the testcase spec you wrote for instance.. perfect spot
[17:10] <balloons> DanChapman, people use it for living specs so to speak, like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates
[17:10] <DanChapman> balloons: cool well I will add as much as I can
[17:11] <balloons> DanChapman, right.. it can stay a gdoc if we wish, but we'll link to it then. Anyways, see how you do. Post release we'll be able to focus on this
[17:37]  * elopio goes to eat.
[18:08] <slickymaster> knome, FYI https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/190739
[18:29] <JRThump> just got a laptop. having trouble with the touchpad. as soon as I touch the soft(?) button (is it called that, the left mouse button on touchpad) the pointer does not move any longer. why? is this a correct behaviour or a bug? can it be fixed?
[20:04] <phillw> my apologies for earlier, for some reason my 3G device decided to have a fall out with my IRC
[20:05] <elfy> I didn't notice ...
[20:05] <elfy> too much ;)
[20:06] <phillw> I had to hard kill the process, it just kept re-spwaning... I'm hoping it is not a new bug :)
[20:06] <elfy> :)
[20:08] <phillw> elfy: do you know if balloons is about at the present time? There is a bug that is creeping up on the priorities list for the installer...
[20:08] <elfy> not seen him
[20:09]  * balloons hovers, high enough elfy is unable to notice him
[20:10] <phillw> balloons: when you next float down, bug 1220165 needs allocating to someone.
[20:10] <forestpiskie> unfortunately for balloons - forestpiskie sees all
[20:10] <elfy> oh that bug that keeps coming and going
[20:11] <elfy> it isn't just ppc - I saw it in xubuntu a couple of times - didn't read the bug report properly at the time
[20:12] <phillw> elfy: it's one of those bugs that we just ignore and get around. shame on us, as for a newcomer it would scare them to death... :(
[20:12] <balloons> can we isolate when / why it's happening?
[20:12] <balloons> also let's edit it and specify it's not just ppc
[20:12] <phillw> balloons: it does not state ppc only :)
[20:13] <elfy> balloons: let me see what I wrote
[20:13] <balloons> the original description does
[20:13] <phillw> balloons: "Error informing the kernel about modificatons"
[20:13] <balloons> to the extent possible let's try and summarize what's going on
[20:14] <elfy> balloons: the only time I was able to confirm it to myself was when I was overwriting a 64bit with 32bit or a 32bit with a 64bit
[20:14] <phillw> balloons: it is marked against both linux and linux-ppc.
[20:14] <balloons> jsalisbury is asking for some folks to help determine when it started occuring
[20:14] <balloons> he's your guy for getting it fixed :-)
[20:15] <elfy> balloons: I'll see if I can get it to do the same thing tomorrow - I'll be running a bunch of both testcases - so I'll be overwriting each with the other
[20:15] <phillw> lars 1st registered it on the bug date. We had a brief discussion on email before it was filed.
[20:16] <elfy> balloons: if I can replicate it tomorrow I will write a bunch of stuff in the bug description
[20:18] <balloons> elfy, perfect.. ty
[20:18] <balloons> afaict it's on joesph's list, so I don't see the need to do anything further to it
[20:18] <balloons> other than encourage folks to help pinpoint what is going on and when it started ;-)
[20:18] <elfy> yep
[20:19] <phillw> balloons: I can put a call out for our testers, but as psychological thing, having a bug have an 'owner' does encourage people :)
[20:22] <phillw1> I'm hoping it is not a new bug, as my Tor IRC and failbook accounts are not seeing drop outs.
[20:23] <elfy> balloons: can you check out https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/U1changes
[20:24] <elfy> if that's what you want - I'll look at others that need it doing
[20:24] <balloons> elfy, sure thing.. I see you've got 2 out there
[20:24] <elfy> yea - I thought the resize thing got done - a bit confused
[20:33] <alesage> ubuntu-qa, I'm not able to reproduce this, are you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1237951
[20:35] <phillw> soz people, not too sure what is going on with IRC. I've just installed Xchat and will see how that behaves.
[20:37] <phillw> balloons, as I mentioned, would it be possible for jsalisbury to allocate the bug to himself so people know there is someone looking into it.
[20:38] <balloons> phillw, I can't speak for him.. if someone is actively working on it they would assign themselves to it
[20:39] <balloons> at this point it's in a needs more info state
[20:42] <phillw> balloons, in that case, it needs some one to take up the bug and ask the many people who have seen the bug what more information is needed.
[20:43] <phillw> bug reporters report bugs, devs ask us for what extra information is needed. Without being asked, we have no idea what they need.
[20:45] <phillw> It is quite evident as a bug (just from the small number of dupe bugs). It will not "go away" and really does need a bit of tender loving care from a dev who can let us know what and how to get the extra information that is needed for them to squish it.
[20:51] <balloons> phillw, joesph asked on the bug for some information that as far as I can see was not answered
[20:54] <phillw> balloons, the only comment from him is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ppc/+bug/1220165/comments/17
[20:54] <phillw> whiich is no where near the comments that brian murray has made.
[20:55] <balloons> phillw, yes afaict it was not answered. regardless the bug needs more information. no one can fix it. lars is already following along the bug and updating it. it needs to be narrowed to something that is reproducble. if we can pinpoint it happens on this kernel but not kernel version x.x, then something can be done
[20:55] <phillw> So, I can answer that question.. we are not sure on what day the bug arrived.
[20:56] <balloons> if you don't know what versions of the kernel it is and is not affecting, not much can be done
[20:56] <phillw> balloons, then we need a method to capture the installer and have a back trace.
[20:57] <phillw> I have seen it on different kernel releases. the error is reported by Ubiquity; so it knows the error is there.
[21:00] <phillw> So, how you launch gdb on a clean system and then run the ISO installer? answer that and we'll give a backtrace :)
[21:11] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity
[21:13] <phillw> balloons, I'll add it to the bug report, at least then people have a reference to look to. (I'll refrain at stating my thoughts as to why the link had not earlier been added to the bug... ::SIGH:: )
[21:14] <balloons> ubiquity -d is your friend
[21:14] <balloons> things to learn
[21:14] <knome> oi balloons
[21:14] <balloons> oi oi
[21:15] <elfy> evening boss
[21:15] <phillw> balloons, on what part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities is that? I could not find it.
[21:20] <phillw> balloons, as I have no idea of how to PM with X-chat, would you pop into ##phillw for a quick chat?
[21:21] <knome> phillw, /query balloons
[21:22] <balloons> elfy, re: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/U1changes/+merge/189794
[21:22] <balloons> does this make sense? If Ubuntu One setup is available in your FAMILY
[21:23] <elfy> it does to me
[21:23] <elfy> but only because I'm under the impression FAMILY is supposed to do something :)
[21:23] <balloons> it will say xubuntu right there for instance
[21:24] <elfy> except I have never actually seen it do that - everytime I see a testcase it just says FAMILY
[21:25] <elfy> balloons: If Ubuntu One setup is available complete the next step, otherwise ...
[21:27] <balloons> elfy, I updated the mp a little
[21:28] <elfy> ok - I'll look later tomorrow - beginning to fray at the edges here a bit now
[21:29] <elfy> not likely to get any of this done before the 17th anyway
[21:29] <elfy> balloons: thanks
[21:29] <balloons> right
[21:29]  * balloons brain is also shot
[21:30] <elfy> lol
[21:30] <balloons> elfy, this is good to go
[21:30] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/resizechange/+merge/189668
[21:30] <elfy> ok
[21:30] <balloons> is there more needing changed, or we good/
[21:30] <balloons> ?
[21:30] <elfy> that was it for that
[21:31] <elfy> so that's 2 of those bugs done then
[21:32] <elfy> balloons: I'll look at the U1 stuff over the weekend hopefully and ping you on Monday
[21:33] <balloons> sounds great :-)
[21:33] <balloons> many thanks elfy
[21:35] <elfy> balloons: no problem - I'm filing these things away under 'bribes for Nick when I need them' :p
[21:35] <robotfuel> alesage: ping
[21:35] <alesage> whola robotfuel
[21:36] <balloons> elfy, haha!
[21:37] <robotfuel> alesage: have you noticed if you open an indicators and the system settings for the same indicator getting out of sync?
[21:37] <alesage> robotfuel, describe out of sync?
[21:37] <robotfuel> alesage: it  looks like if you use the indicator, then use the system settings page, then use the indicator the system settings page doesn't update to the new setting
[21:38] <robotfuel> alesage: the battery slider is the one I am using
[21:38] <robotfuel> alesage: wifi has the same issue (it's on the same page)
[21:39] <alesage> robotfuel which is laggy? settings or indicator?
[21:39] <robotfuel> alesage: the settings page doesn't update, the indicator is always correct
[21:39] <alesage> robotfuel, aha settings can be laggy, good one :)
[21:39] <alesage> robotfuel, I assume only b/c in the indicator has to render, e.g.
[21:40] <alesage> robotfuel, want to file, or should I?
[21:40] <robotfuel> alesage: I will file it
[21:40] <alesage> robotfuel, ok ping and I'll confirm
[21:54] <robotfuel> alesage:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1238985
[21:54] <alesage> robotfuel, thx
[21:55] <robotfuel> alesage: do you know who can triage and assign the bug?
[21:56] <alesage> robotfuel, I'll add some tags and I'm sure seb128 will see it
[21:58] <alesage> thanks robotfuel


[08:07] <WorkingOnWise> Slightly off topic question. If no joy here, where is a better place to ask? If you didn't use exchange, is there an app to sync in linux? I have a WM2003 Smart Phone, and will be replacing it with a WM 5 device soon...I hope.


[02:05] <superm1> that sounds right
[02:06] <superm1> cornell, ^
[02:54] <OpenMedia> superm1: Do you know of anyone trying mythbuntu on an old XBox>?
[02:54] <superm1> I knew of some people that were interested, but i expect installation is a bit of a pain
[03:00] <OpenMedia> Might take a look for a front end device. They are so cheap now.
[03:04] <OpenMedia> superm1: what are you expecting to be the painful bits, or should I just try a vanilla ubuntu install and then add the frontend bits?
[03:05] <superm1> well you can't boot a standard iso in the xbox
[03:05] <OpenMedia> Ah.. That would be a bit of a killer then.
[03:07] <superm1> there are methods
[03:07] <superm1> i'd expect the easiest is some install to a usb disk
[03:07] <superm1> prior
[03:08] <superm1> and then to get a kernel booted and cp everything
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> what are you trying to do OpenMedia?
[03:19] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop: Been looking at hardware for additional front end devices, and for a lot of cases and old XBox is ideal, and currently very cheap.
[03:19] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[03:19] <OpenMedia> Anyone else got frontend suggestions that are fanless and cheaper than mini-itx based kit.
[03:20] <tgm4883_laptop> im not sure if the xbox is powerful enough to run linux and mythtv
[03:20] <tgm4883_laptop> not enough ram
[03:20] <OpenMedia> I have requests for two grades of front end.
[03:20] <OpenMedia> 1. Basic SD support (fanless)
[03:20] <OpenMedia> 2. Full HD support (also fanless)
[03:20] <OpenMedia> XBox runs MythTV frontend just fine.
[03:20] <OpenMedia> Just wondering about using Mythbuntu or Ubuntu as the base.
[03:21] <tgm4883_laptop> really?
[03:21] <OpenMedia> Fine for SD MPEG2 playback and most AVI files.
[03:22] <tgm4883_laptop> you've tested/seen this on a regular xbox (not a dream system)
[03:22] <superm1> i've heard it can
[03:22] <superm1> on a regular xbox
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[03:23] <OpenMedia> I know some people running MythTV frontends on the Xbox. Haven't played with one myself.
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd be sketiple
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> well there is a plugin for xbmc for mythtv
[03:23] <OpenMedia> Did have a play with an STB who's hardware spec was almost identical to the xbox and it made a perfect MythTV frontend.
[03:24] <superm1> OpenMedia, get it working w/ mythbuntu and tell me how, i know i haven't got the time to figure it out :)
[03:24] <OpenMedia> superm1: Hey no worries, Just checking on any gotchas.
[03:24] <OpenMedia> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend
[03:24] <tgm4883_laptop> the reason im sketiple is that with only 64MB of ram and a striped down processor it has problems multitasking
[03:24] <OpenMedia> http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Xebian_HOWTO
[03:25] <tgm4883_laptop> if it works though, more power to you
[03:25] <foxbuntu> OpenMedia, what is the url to your store?
[03:25] <tgm4883_laptop> OpenMedia = OpenMediaSupport?
[03:25] <OpenMedia> http://mypvr.co.nz is the product page. Sales links to our retail outlets
[03:26] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop:  Yeah.. I must still be logged in on my desktop
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> did you get my message earlier about the archiving?
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe superm1 knows?
[03:27] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop: sorry I must have missed it. You were asking if mytharchive would affect program expiry
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> does mytharchive put what your archiving into the autoexpire list?
[03:28] <foxbuntu> OpenMedia, do you have any idea what the rough cost of your unit is in US $?
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> i have 2 programs that I am now missing
[03:28] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: Retail price with our support included is NZ$2000
[03:30] <foxbuntu> OpenMedia, wow...thats a good chunk
[03:30] <foxbuntu> about US$1400
[03:31] <tgm4883_laptop> I want to say that i have seen that system somewhere
[03:31] <OpenMedia> Cheaper than local WinMCE based units.
[03:31] <OpenMedia> You can get the cases from NewEgg - NMedia makes them.
[03:31] <foxbuntu> OpenMedia, how long have you been building and supporting them?
[03:31] <OpenMedia> Plus local WinMCE units are pre-configured.
[03:31] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: 18 months.
[03:32] <foxbuntu> hows that working for you?
[03:33] <OpenMedia> Little to slow, and interesting dealing with consumers rather than geeks
[03:33] <OpenMedia> Plus our current OS base is getting a little old, so i'm looking at Mythbuntu as the base for the next release
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> lol
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> i remember now
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> it was here, its similar to yours
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> http://store02.prostores.com/servlet/tvease/StoreFront
[03:35] <foxbuntu> OpenMedia, as well am I. I am very business minded and always like looking for ventures like this.  I am considering a Mythbuntu based product for the US Market
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> I also remember looking here http://www.openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/ :)
[03:35] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, yea, I ran across that one just a little while ago
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, did you see this http://www.monolithmc.com/index.php
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> ubuntu based mythtv systems
[03:36] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop: yes that it us.. The product has been moved onto its own website so we can focus on some other solutions.
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, i think the future is in home automation systems
[03:39] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, i dunno, I think TiVO and DVR have started becoming household terms...and because everyone wants the latest and coolest it is more about marketing a product than competition
[03:39] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop:  our problem is NZ consumers want retail rather than online outlets, which pushes our pricing up.
[03:39] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, mine sits behind my entertainment center :)
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> true, but the markup on those units is small
[03:40] <OpenMedia> Wonder what case they use as it looks a lot cheaper than ours.
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> the markup on home automation systems is high
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> OpenMedia, do you offer any rackmount cases?
[03:40] <OpenMedia> We had a review in a HIFI mag and they complained our case wasn't fancy enough.
[03:40] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, right, the issue with home automation is installation services
[03:40] <OpenMedia> We can do rackmount on request.
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[03:41] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I can build you a rack mount :)
[03:41] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, ideally you would want to do new construction only
[03:41] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, right
[03:41] <OpenMedia> I'm talking to commercial customers who want rackmount systems
[03:42] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, no...I can get a 2U rack case that would be  very nice
[03:42] <tgm4883_laptop> OpenMedia, I'm seeing whole house systems that use rackmount.  As since the backends would all be contained together
[03:42] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, i dont have rackmount in my home....yet :)
[03:43] <foxbuntu> I am putting one in my house next
[03:43] <foxbuntu> er rather next house
[03:43] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, http://www.google.com/trends?q=dvr%2C+tivo%2C+mythtv%2C+home+automation&ctab=0&hl=en&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
[03:43] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop: It looks like they are using the Asus barebone series of units for their PVRs.
[03:44] <tgm4883_laptop> I saw a really nice (expensive) system that mythtv would compare pretty well with, but it's still missing some basic features that are necessities compared to other products
[03:45] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, where does this grab from, search engine searches or?
[03:47] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, from google
[03:47] <foxbuntu> google searches
[03:47] <tgm4883_laptop> right, but is it listing the amount of go
[03:47] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[03:48] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm not disagreeing with you btw, TiVo is hot right now, what im saying is that while TiVo is hot, everybody and his brother is doing DVR, when there are really only a few home automation systems out their right now
[03:49] <tgm4883_laptop> and even if you didn't go full home automation, there are other systems besides dvr that rock
[03:49] <tgm4883_laptop> full home audio, full home video
[03:49] <foxbuntu> http://www.ahanix.com/products/mce/mce_d5.php
[03:49] <tgm4883_laptop> I'm thinking that these are going to sky rocket in the next 3 to 7 years
[03:51] <OpenMedia> I've had conversations with customers about their ideal "really easy" home automation solution that they think would cost next to nothing. Sadly the real price is 5-10x what they expect. Making it appear easy is very expensive.
[03:52] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop: Your missing programs. Have you looked in the logs to see when they were deleted?
[03:52] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, from a business prospective I want to get off the ground with whats hot and then work into whats coming
[03:59] <foxbuntu> OpenMedia, there aren't a lot of choices for htpc's are there
[03:59] <foxbuntu> htpc cases that is
[04:00] <foxbuntu> wow...the Antec case is really nice however
[04:02] <OpenMedia> You either go cheap  - under US$80, medium 80-180, or silly, 200-500 just for the case.
[04:02] <OpenMedia> Locally I see a lot of HTPCs where the case price is NZ$600 retail along.
[04:03] <OpenMedia> s/along/alone/
[04:03] <foxbuntu> the antec case is about 180
[04:03] <foxbuntu> US$180
[04:03] <OpenMedia> Its about NZ$450 here.
[04:06] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: Hmm maybe wrong case. Which Antec case were you talking about?
[04:06] <foxbuntu> http://www.antec.com/ec/productDetails.php?ProdID=08738#
[04:07] <OpenMedia> Yeah around NZ$420 here.
[04:07] <OpenMedia> Nice case though
[04:08] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:08] <foxbuntu> wow thats high
[04:09] <OpenMedia> There isn't the same demand = higher prices.
[04:09] <foxbuntu> right
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, it's all about retro cases
[04:13] <OpenMedia> I like that antec case. Have to ask around my suppliers.
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> ie, sticking a mini-itx inside an NES
[04:13] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, funny you mention that...I am working with troy_s to turn the Mythbuntu theme retro
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[04:14] <OpenMedia> OK the antec case trade wouid cost us double our current case price.. Ouch.
[04:14] <foxbuntu> ouch indeed
[04:14] <foxbuntu> thats a big profit loss
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> thats a nice case, how much is it?
[04:14] <foxbuntu> $180 US
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[04:15] <OpenMedia> We'd have to offer it at a different price.
[04:15] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:16] <OpenMedia> Plus NZ average retail margin is also high.
[04:16] <foxbuntu> but you would have to find a way to market it so that the price doesn't change that much with it only being a case change
[04:16] <foxbuntu> OpenMedia, oh really?
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> it's a nice case, but not a $200 case
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> but then again, i wouldn't pay 200 for a case
[04:16] <OpenMedia> What would you consider it worth tgm4883_laptop?
[04:17] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop,  indeed me either :) I have my Myth box in a 30
[04:17] <foxbuntu> $30 case
[04:18] <OpenMedia> That is always a problem. I had some people complain because they can build a myth box for NZ$200 from spare old parts. Problem is they have 10% of the featured of my units and it looks a mess. Hence we aim at consumers who are willing to pay the margin for the premium product.
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> OpenMedia, well I wouldn't pay $200 for any case, i'd probably max out around 125 - 150
[04:18] <OpenMedia> Man these guys have to be joking. Talk about a high price for that case -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:19] <tgm4883_laptop> but thats max, and it would have to be a special thinig
[04:19] <OpenMedia> Whoops.. - http://www.millenniumtechnology.co.nz/product_select.php?area=20&product_id=36&cat1_id=6
[04:19] <foxbuntu> that was good OpenMedia
[04:20] <foxbuntu> HOLY CRAP
[04:21] <OpenMedia> Yeah that one was a bit exreme.
[04:21] <foxbuntu> thats quite sad
[04:22] <OpenMedia> I can get it for a lot cheaper trade, but it is still quite a bit more than our existing cases.
[04:23] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:24] <foxbuntu> I would have to get back into the channel around here and find out what I can get it priced out at
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> OpenMedia, I swear that I was in Fry's and saw that case for around $98.  Probably a knock off
[04:30] <foxbuntu> oh theres is what I need for my next overkill project
[04:30] <foxbuntu> the new antec 1000w power supply
[04:47] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: Hmm How much storage could you hang off that before it gives out ;)
[05:36] <superm1> laga, woah.  this gdebi magic in pbuilder is amazing
[05:36] <superm1> you shoudl have made me turn it on ages ago
[05:43] <OpenMedia> superm1: Hmmm cool tool.. I like it.
[05:44] <superm1> OpenMedia, which?
[05:44] <superm1> the control centre?
[05:45] <OpenMedia> gdebi
[05:45] <OpenMedia> Hmm now onto control centre.
[05:45] <OpenMedia> Am I supposed to be able to run it as any user from the command line?
[05:46] <superm1> OpenMedia, as a user with sudo rights
[05:46] <OpenMedia> I put one of the issues I had with it into launchpad.
[05:46] <superm1> about gdebi?
[05:46] <OpenMedia> Ok well I don't get a gui
[05:46] <superm1> or control centre
[05:46] <OpenMedia> Ok we'll talk about your control centre.
[05:46] <OpenMedia> I installed it onto 3 mythbuntu environments
[05:46] <superm1> right
[05:46] <OpenMedia> 1 - just a frontend
[05:46] <OpenMedia> 2 - slave backend
[05:46] <OpenMedia> 3 - full install
[05:47] <OpenMedia> First up it pulled in a bunch of updates that weren't in alpha3, plus I noticed that the backend installs lirc support.. Hmm.
[05:48] <superm1> well the lirc support is needed to properly build the GUI
[05:48] <superm1> i've thought about ways to break that up
[05:48] <OpenMedia> Next I tried to run it on the command line, and on first run it got this error - https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/133633
[05:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133633 in mythbuntu "mythstream error on first run of mythbuntu-control-centre" [Undecided,New]
[05:48] <superm1> like make a lirc-common package
[05:48] <OpenMedia> Some issue with mythstream... Odd
[05:48] <superm1> OpenMedia, oh, i didn't even consider that you couldn't do that yet.  mythstream isn't in the archive
[05:48] <superm1> its in my local archive
[05:48] <superm1> but not in the official one
[05:49] <superm1> tgm4883, finished it, but it needs to be acked yet
[05:49] <OpenMedia> Now neither of these systems have a local DB as well.
[05:49] <OpenMedia> I also tried on a full front+back+DB install of mythbuntu but again no gui starts up.
[05:49] <superm1> OpenMedia, yea you won't be able to due to that mythstream issue
[05:49] <superm1> hold off until alpha4, things will clear up by then
[05:50] <superm1> and i can properly show you what it can do
[05:50] <superm1> sorry :)
[05:50] <OpenMedia> Ok cool. any ETA on alpha4?
[05:50] <OpenMedia> No worries I'm having fun splitting myPVR to support seperate front+backends
[05:51] <OpenMedia> Plus I've had 2 talks accepted at the Open Source Developers Conference in Brisbane ;)
[05:51] <superm1> well i want schedules direct support in it, so its not going to be until then
[05:51] <superm1> so at least a week
[05:51] <OpenMedia> superm1: Don't they have the driver in fixes yet? Or do you need and xmltv update?
[05:52] <superm1> it is a bit more complex than that unfortunately
[05:52] <superm1> it needs a newer -fixes checkout
[05:52] <OpenMedia> Yeah I know about that as I'm testing a newer -fixes build at the moment.
[05:52] <superm1> meaning that we have to do Stable Release Updates to a whole assortment of releases
[05:52] <superm1> so testing this across dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy
[05:53] <OpenMedia> It is an interesting double edged sword. Means an xmltv upgrade and other bits, but I means that our EPG grabber and be a real one rather than pretend to be the tv_grab_au version.
[05:53] <superm1> xmltv upgrade too?
[05:53] <OpenMedia> For us. Standard myPVR version doesn't support tv_find_grabbers
[05:54] <OpenMedia> No issues when running on Mythbuntu
[05:54] <superm1> oh i see
[06:06] <superm1> laga, regarding pbuilder-gdebi -it really is quite a double edged sword.  it is blazing quick, but you can't use unsigned repositories.  so say goodbye to locally building mythplugins and mythtv combo
[08:14] <superm1> keescook, i tested the schedules direct patched packages on feisty, gutsy and dapper.  all seem to work out well (doing a fully updated checkout)
[08:16] <superm1> this of course was using updated packaging that is in use in gutsy.  for the case of the SRU's i'd assume that the packaging that came with that release would be used
[01:32] <cornell_work> Morning all
[02:24] <DaveMorris> morning
[02:56] <cornell_work> DaveMorris, I've got the database working.  And the files in the right place ;-)
[02:57] <cornell_work> So... the remote doesn't work, the sound doesn't work, and the video on the monitor is poor quality.
[02:57] <cornell_work> First, remote... I'm looking at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy?highlight=%28lirc%29%7C%28mythtv%29%7C%28remote%29
[02:57] <cornell_work> Then, the video...  apt-get install nvidia-glx  (I think)
[02:57] <DaveMorris> thats a nasty list of things to work on
[02:57] <cornell_work> And for sound... well, more googling.
[02:59] <DaveMorris> how is your video outputted?  It might just need the nvida stuff
[02:59] <cornell_work> And... it doesn't start into mythfrontend.  When I boot, I get a login screen.  When I login (oops, I'm logging in as me) I get a desktop, with start/stop backend and run mythfilldatabase, and something else, I forget.
[02:59] <cornell_work> Well, I've an nvidia card and I'm watching on the monitor, not a tv.
[02:59] <DaveMorris> yeah the mythtuser should auto log in
[03:00] <DaveMorris> how are you trying to output the sound?  Are you sure it's not muted
[03:00] <cornell_work> So, next time, login as mythtv.  But then, when I reboot, will mythtv user auto login?  Or am I missing a setting?
[03:00] <DaveMorris> your missing something, might be since you didn't finish the install
[03:01] <DaveMorris> tbh I'd leave it till the other things are solved
[03:01] <cornell_work> Sound... cable from back of box to monitor.  Monitor sound is up full.  Don't know about about myth's sound volume (remote don't work, and I don't know the keyboard command)   Sound is last on my list ;-)
[03:02] <DaveMorris> stereo cable?
[03:02] <cornell_work> Well, I did an install up to the setup.  Interrupted, fixed lvm and then continued with mythtv-setup.
[03:02] <cornell_work> Stereo, yes
[03:02] <DaveMorris> grab a terminal and run alsamixer
[03:03] <DaveMorris> although you prob at work looking at your handle
[03:04] <cornell_work> alsamixer!  that's right.  I'd had trouble when I installed knoppmyth, but I didn't make notes and don't remember.  And I think there's some settings re audio I need to make in myth, but I can't remember if that was settings for when I record, or settings for setting up audio.
[03:04] <cornell_work> Yeah, work
[03:04] <cornell_work> There was something I had to do command line, it might be alsamixer.
[03:05] <DaveMorris> My sound output is always muted when I 1st install Ubuntu on it since I use the digital out
[03:06] <cornell_work> bbiab
[05:30] <cornell_work> Back...
[05:30] <cornell_work> I'll try the alsamixer, and nvidia-glx tonight
[08:13] <laga> superm1:
[08:13] <laga> 20:02 < gbee> Cardoe, j-rod, superm1, laga: It's a minor thing and not that important in the grand scheme, but it would be nice if packagers could either build off a checkout of the tagged version or manually edit version.pro so that the "SVN Branch" part of the --version output shows 0.20.2
[09:57] <superm1> laga, considering the timing of the 0.20.2 package, i think that building off of it as a tagged version will be more than feasible
[09:58] <laga> didn't have time to look at the build system today, sorry
[11:07] <tgm4883> is the pvr-150 blaster support already implemented in mythbuntu?
[11:07] <superm1> tgm4883, well the modules are built for it
[11:07] <superm1> but it needs the firmware dropped in place
[11:07] <tgm4883> ah
[11:07] <superm1> i dont have anyway to test it to make sure that it is well done
[11:07] <tgm4883> have you seen the 2 new blueprints
[11:08] <superm1> tgm4883, no not yet.
[11:09] <superm1> i've been trying to work out some details that are surrounding the 0.20.2 release
[11:09] <superm1> we have a few more things that need to be done for it
[11:10] <tgm4883> one is for the pvr-150 blaster, and 1 is for a pad2keys patch
[11:10] <tgm4883> the 20.2 will have SD support?
[11:10] <tgm4883> Are you in the SD beta?
[11:10] <superm1> yes
[11:10] <superm1> and yes
[11:11] <tgm4883> sweet, any testing done on it?
[11:11] <superm1> yup
[11:11] <superm1> last night i did test builds for gutsy dapper and feisty
[11:11] <tgm4883> sounds like it went well ?
[11:11] <superm1> well i had one item to sort out with a channel that didn't broadcast its name or channel number properly on QAM-256
[11:11] <superm1> but that would have happened with zap2it as well
[11:11] <tgm4883> ah
[11:11] <superm1> otherwise, it was a smooth switchover
[11:12] <tgm4883> good to know
[11:12] <tgm4883> did you have the zip problem or is that isolated?
[11:13] <superm1> it's isolated from what i understand
[11:13] <superm1> my zip code worked perfectly
[11:13] <tgm4883> sweet
[11:13] <tgm4883> I wonder if it has to do with towns that have multiple zips, and not using the main zip
[11:13] <superm1> well don't most towns?
[11:14] <tgm4883> yea
[11:14] <superm1> yea i was going to say here at school, we have 50010-50015
[11:15] <tgm4883> I haven't researched it at all yet, but what do you think about (if it exists) a irc plugin for drupal that connects to here?
[11:15] <superm1> that'd be pretty sweet
[11:16] <superm1> to put on the support page?
[11:16] <superm1> some java applet or the like
[11:16] <tgm4883> yep
[11:16] <tgm4883> yea
[11:16] <superm1> +1 from me if you can find one
[11:16] <tgm4883> i'll do some looking around.  Playing around with the theme right now at linux.weilandhomes.com
[11:18] <superm1> well that one you hvae right now looks pretty nice and basic
[11:18] <superm1> oh wait nvm
[11:18] <superm1> more loaded
[11:19] <superm1> that needs some clean up :)
[11:20] <tgm4883> yea, i need to resize the background pic (its almost 8 MB) and move the theme around
[11:20] <tgm4883> its a chameleon theme just messing around configuring it
[11:22] <superm1> the nice thing about having mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com too, if we want somewhere to experiment with themes
[11:22] <superm1> can easily do so there
[11:23] <tgm4883> yep
[11:25] <tgm4883> quick question superm1, is the rss icon in rss readers the same as the fav icon?
[11:26] <superm1> Hm.
[11:26] <superm1> i'm not sure on that
[11:26] <tgm4883> i only ask because the mythbuntu.org rss in my rss reader (liferea) is the standard orange one, not the mythbuntu icon
[11:26] <OpenMedia> superm1: so have they tagged 0.20.2 then?
[11:27] <tgm4883> but its the mythbuntu icon in my bookmarks and the address bar
[11:27] <superm1> oh tgm4883 its a fav icon that should only show up in web browsers i think
[11:27] <superm1> OpenMedia, not yet.
[11:27] <superm1> OpenMedia, but i'm preparing the packages for some changes when they do
[11:28] <tgm4883> ah, we should have it do both, as my ubuntuforums and espn rss feeds have their own icons
[11:28] <superm1> tgm4883, do you know how to?
[11:29] <tgm4883> nope
[11:29] <superm1> what file name you need to give it?
[11:29] <tgm4883> but i'll look it up
[11:31] <OpenMedia> superm1: aside from the SD stuff what else are you expecting from the 0.20.2 tag?
[11:31] <superm1> OpenMedia, that is the big thing for it
[11:32] <superm1> i'm not sure if there is anything big to look forward to in it
[11:32] <superm1> other than stability stuff of coruse
[11:32] <superm1> course
[11:32] <OpenMedia> superm1: Same here. Rest is just the usual bug fixes.
[11:32] <superm1> but the SD stuff is big enough :)
[11:34] <OpenMedia> For the US guys yeah.... Guess you all now understand the pain we feel in the rest of the world ;)
[11:34] <superm1> well not really, since we have no interruption in service :)
[11:38] <OpenMedia> Ok.. show off..
[12:07] <tgm4883> superm1, what do you use for RSS on mythbuntu.org
[12:08] <superm1> tgm4883, it's built into drupal
[12:53] <tgm4883> superm1, can you place a copy of the favicon into the root dir
[12:53] <superm1> tgm4883, would a symlink do?
[12:53] <tgm4883> perhaps
[12:54] <tgm4883> try it and i'll let you know
[12:54] <superm1> favicon.png?
[12:54] <superm1> need to be the name?
[12:54] <tgm4883> favicon.ico
[12:54] <superm1> okay
[12:54] <superm1> it's there
[12:55] <tgm4883> sweet it works
[12:56] <superm1> cool, easy nough
[12:56] <tgm4883> yea, after much asking in forums and searching, i decided to visit the liferea site
[12:56] <tgm4883> and certain rss grabbers look for favicon.ico
[12:57] <superm1> ahh
[12:57] <tgm4883> but since mythbuntu.org's wasn't in the root it couldn't find it
[12:57] <tgm4883> there's no module for an IRC client for drupal.  There was one, but it looks dead
[12:58] <superm1> well perhaps if you can find one at at external site that is nice, and can just be linked to
[12:58] <superm1> like it takes an argument for what server to join
[12:58] <superm1> and what channel
[12:58] <superm1> so they can click that and it will automatically go
[01:08] <tgm4883> superm1, Ability to run CGI scripts using Perl 5.004 or greater?
[01:08] <superm1> on mythbuntu.org?
[01:08] <tgm4883> yea
[01:08] <superm1> should be able to
[01:08] <tgm4883> ok
[01:09] <tgm4883> first link i found
[01:09] <tgm4883> http://cgiirc.org/download/
[01:09] <superm1> we've got perl 5.8.7
[01:09] <tgm4883> supposedly packed in ubuntu
[01:10] <superm1> tgm4883, you want to try it on your test server?
[01:10] <superm1> and see how it looks/works?
[01:10] <tgm4883> sure
[01:10] <tgm4883> thats what it's their for :)