[11:10] <cody-somerville> Is pycon appropriate for the Ubuntu Fridge Calendar?
[11:10] <cody-somerville> I'm thinking of deleting the event.
[11:13] <cody-somerville> also, I can't edit the calendar page
[11:15] <cody-somerville> mdke, joey, boredandblogging ^^
[11:18] <mdke> I guess it doesn't hurt to have it there
[11:18] <mdke> python has a special place in Ubuntu's heart, i guess
[11:19] <cody-somerville> Where do we draw the line though?
[11:19] <cody-somerville> mdke, It isn't a Ubuntu event
[11:20] <mdke> I know. I don't think we need to worry too much about drawing the line, broadly the calendar should hav events that the ubuntu community could be interested i
[11:20] <mdke> so we can be over-inclusive rather than under-inclusive, IMO
[15:16]  * johnc4510 greets all


[16:54]  * cjwatson is working on the ubiquity build failure as time permits
[16:55] <cjwatson> I suppose it's traditional for ubiquity x.y.0 not to build :-P
[16:55] <ogra_> heh
[16:55] <ogra_> so just bump the version then
[16:56] <cjwatson> feeding a probable improvement to sbuild
[16:56]  * ogra_ thinks he found the issue with chrmomium not building ... silly hardcoded crossbuild stuff (no idea if it will run)
[16:56] <ogra_> (on arm that is)
[17:38] <xnox> cjwatson: I had that ftbfs recently with libtimezonemap.
[17:38] <xnox> it's a new g-ir-scanner
[17:39] <xnox> cjwatson: see Makefile.am in https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~timezonemap-team/timezonemap/trunk/revision/24 or I can just commit a fix...
[18:23] <infinity> ogra_: I think chriscoulson already has the fixes for the crossbuild silliness, just hasn't uploaded yet.
[18:23] <infinity> ogra_: Feel free to harass him about it, though.
[18:48] <ogra_> infinity, ah
[18:48] <ogra_> well, i wanted to try a build over easter
[18:48] <ogra_> and see if it works ot not
[18:48] <ogra_> *or
[18:49] <ogra_> the cross stuff seems to be a one liner anyway
[18:49] <ogra_> but should fix the header detection
[18:52] <infinity> Yeah.  He got it building completely last week.  You were there for the conversation, remember? :P
[18:53] <ogra_> oh, indeed
[18:53] <infinity> Uploading it was/is delayed by the new upstream being prepped, last time I asked him.
[18:54] <ogra_> hmm, then i should probably put my effort to rest
[19:24] <cjwatson> xnox: I've got a fix already, probably the same
[19:24] <xnox> ok.
[19:24] <cjwatson> Yeah, same except I dropped the AFAIK unnecessary CFLAGS
[19:24] <cjwatson> But sbuild will tell :)
[19:25] <cjwatson> However got to go out for church shortly.  I expect it can wait 'til I get back


[15:01] <shadeslayer> \o
[15:01] <diwic> hi
[15:03] <didrocks> who else than Riddell and cyphermox wants to join the session?
[15:04] <Riddell> didrocks: shadeslayer should replace me
[15:04] <didrocks> shadeslayer: want tha hangout link?
[15:04] <Riddell> I'm feeling peely wally
[15:04] <diwic> the session is not running yet, right?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> I can't do hangouts :(
[15:04] <didrocks> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfvdc-xJ0m4xXrmCcgjwtQx_kAC6pfKISuv1mmK94mtcIohkA
[15:04] <didrocks> shadeslayer: ok, so let's do IRC
[15:04] <shadeslayer> yeah IRC is fine with me
[15:04] <didrocks> diwic: not yet, I would need you in the hangout if you want though ^
[15:04] <diwic> tbh I'm happy with IRC too
[15:04] <shadeslayer> I'm fine with listening to hangouts and discussing on IRC
[15:05] <rsalveti> hey, not yet streaming, right?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> or totally on IRC, either way is fine
[15:05] <didrocks> not yet, in a sec
[15:05] <didrocks> no track lead, so I had to setup that
[15:07] <rsalveti> didrocks: have the link, I can join
[15:07] <diwic> rsalveti, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfvdc-xJ0m4xXrmCcgjwtQx_kAC6pfKISuv1mmK94mtcIohkA
[15:08] <shadeslayer> no sound
[15:08] <shadeslayer> /o\
[15:08] <diwic> shadeslayer, I have sound
[15:08] <shadeslayer> no, on my system, I think it's busted
[15:10] <diwic> QUESTION: The bluez5 stuff is in PulseAudio git now, I was wondering what the easiest way to test bluez 5 is now, is there a  ubuntu 15.04 PPA ?
[15:13] <cyphermox> no, there isn't
[15:13] <cyphermox> there is a PPA, but not with bluez 5 in it yet ;)
[15:13] <jdstrand> is the meeting just irc at this point?
[15:13] <diwic> jdstrand, no, it's streaming too
[15:14]  * jdstrand reloads
[15:14] <jdstrand> ah, there we go
[15:14] <jdstrand> diwic: thanks
[15:14] <didrocks> diwic: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions
[15:15] <cyphermox> jdstrand: diwic, perhaps you could join the hangout
[15:16] <jdstrand> heh
[15:16] <jdstrand> I have literally one question :)
[15:17] <shadeslayer> FWIW my sound is entirely screwed, so can't really hear much of the conversation, but from the Kubuntu POV, we have bluedevil ported to Bluez 5
[15:17] <shadeslayer> and it just needs a release upstream so that we can get it into Kubuntu
[15:17] <cyphermox> has it lost bluez 4 support or are we good for now?
[15:17] <cyphermox> ok
[15:17] <cyphermox> are we blocking that update?
[15:17] <diwic> cyphermox, PA 6.0 will support both bluez 4 and bluez 5
[15:18] <cyphermox> diwic: yes, but I was referring to the email on ubuntu-devel@ where there would be some binary package splitting for bluez 4 and bluez 5 possible if it turned up being necessary
[15:19] <cyphermox> (and I'm curious what we'd upload, a git snapshot or patches on top of what we already ahve
[15:19] <cyphermox> yay, diwic has appeared!
[15:20] <shadeslayer> BTW KDE Upstream does not support Bluez 4 anymore
[15:20] <shadeslayer> so it would be really nice to get the stack updated to 5
[15:23] <cyphermox> alright
[15:23] <rsalveti> great
[15:25] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:31] <jdstrand> QUESTION: android devices connecting to car stereos via bluetooth are able to both display the current track and control the music player. Ubuntu Touch currently can do neither. Will moving to bluez5 help with this or is that something different (I saw something about better protocol support)
[15:32] <jdstrand> actually, the car can control the player
[15:32] <jdstrand> (I said that backwards)
[15:33] <jdstrand> cool-- is there a bug for that?
[15:33]  * jdstrand would like to subscribe
[15:34] <jdstrand> you have a tester here :)
[15:34] <jdstrand> (thanks)
[15:34] <jdstrand> rsalveti: btw, playback over bluetooth works fantastic right now :) that is a lot of fun
[15:35] <rsalveti> yeah :-)
[15:36] <diwic> jdstrand, let's upgrade to bluez 5 so we can break it! :-)
[15:36] <jdstrand> heh, sigh :P
[15:36] <zomtir> QUESTION: current blueman version unloads 'module-bluetooth-discover' from pulseaudio
[15:36] <zomtir> just searching the bug report
[15:37] <zomtir> it's fixed in blueman 2.0, but it's not released yet
[15:38] <zomtir> blueman 2 supports bluez5
[15:39] <Samalutri> Hello there. What's up?
[15:39] <Samalutri> Have I missed something?
[15:39] <Trevinho> have HSP/HFP profiles been implemented now? These were dropped with first release, and should be implemented at different level (afaik ofono works with them), but what about gnome support for that?
[15:40] <zomtir> Nice thanks!
[15:41] <diwic> Trevinho, you mean headset audio? Bluez 5 needs PulseAudio 6.0 for them to work
[15:41] <diwic> Trevinho, and PA 6.0 is not released yet
[15:41] <Trevinho> diwic: yes
[15:42] <Trevinho> diwic: ok... Is it possible to backport support for that?
[15:43] <cyphermox> Trevinho: we've been discussing this, diwic will prepare a package when rc1 is ready
[15:43] <Trevinho> cyphermox: ok, thanks.. I just joined late the hangout (was clashing with another one)
[15:43] <cyphermox> yes ;)
[15:44] <didrocks> thanks guys!
[16:00] <rsalveti> who is the track lead?
[16:01] <ogra_> i am, but still in another hangout
[16:01] <ogra_> do we actually have people here ?
[16:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: you're the meeting lead, not the track lead
[16:01] <rsalveti> or are you also the track lead? :-)
[16:01] <rsalveti> doing the recording and etc
[16:01] <ogra_> oh, no
[16:01] <ogra_> no idea who is doing that
[16:02] <rsalveti> didrocks: do you know?
[16:03] <didrocks> rsalveti: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/tracks
[16:03] <didrocks> platform -> Ubuntu development
[16:03] <didrocks> rsalveti: I had to open the HO myself
[16:03] <didrocks> there was no available lead
[16:03] <janimo`> where is the HO?
[16:03] <rsalveti> hm, no leads around indeed
[16:04] <apw> i think the point is you are able to make them yourself now
[16:05]  * didrocks is happy to not have been the only one skipping the memo
[16:05] <ogra_> so how do we get this started now ?
[16:06] <ogra_> (i also dont see any community around, so is it actually wothwile to have it ? )
[16:06] <rsalveti> guess you have to create the hangout
[16:06] <rsalveti> make it record and such
[16:06] <didrocks> exactly
[16:06] <didrocks> and you can edit the hangout details in the schedule
[16:07] <ogra_> oh man
[16:08] <rsalveti> ogra_: we can have it still, janimo` is around
[16:08] <ogra_> rsalveti, right, but figuring out all this stuff will take me another 15min
[16:08] <rsalveti> lol
[16:08] <ogra_> and i'm ping bombed in other channels
[16:08] <ali1234> that still leaves 35 minutes
[16:08] <rsalveti> why did we decide to not have the track leads doing that?
[16:08] <ogra_> yeah, trhats crazy
[16:09] <rsalveti> ogra_: let's reschedule it then
[16:09] <rsalveti> either tomorrow or friday
[16:09] <ogra_> ++
[16:09] <rsalveti> alright
[16:09] <ogra_> now how do i re-schedule :P
[16:10] <rsalveti> everyone: we're rescheduling this meeting, either for tomorrow or friday :-)
[16:10] <ogra_> right
[16:10] <janimo`> +1 for rescheduling
[16:10] <ogra_> i'll figure it out
[16:10] <rsalveti> keep your eyes on the schedule
[16:10] <rsalveti> ogra_: thanks :-)
[16:10] <ogra_> haha
[16:10] <ogra_> thanks as well
[16:11] <janimo`> sforshee, the session will be rescheduled
[16:11] <janimo`> FYI
[16:11] <sforshee> janimo`: thanks, I was starting to wonder when no video came up


[11:47] <Maik> oxfuxxx: again, fix your connection
[12:05] <oxfuxxx> Maik, i would but i can't my VPN are unstable, i'll try to switch to TCP tunnels...
[12:06] <oxfuxxx> bbl
[12:10] <oxfuxxx> Hi again.
[12:11] <oxfuxxx> Yes, so i switched to a close VPN in TCP, maybe it will work better.
[12:11] <oxfuxxx> Maik are you op on Ubuntu too?
[12:12] <oxfuxxx> #ubuntu ? cause they banned me, either cause of my bad connection or quit message.
[12:17] <Maik> hi oxfuxxx, glad you replied and no, i'm no op at all by the way :)
[12:19] <Maik> but i guess the quit message is the reason so i would change it into something more appropriate
[12:19] <Maik> and of course the bad connection is the other reason
[12:22] <Maik> if you have question about your ban try asking the op in #ubuntu-irc or #ubuntu-ops
[12:22] <oxfuxxx> Ok, ty.
[12:23] <Maik> no problem
[12:27] <nicoz> ;)
[12:27] <nicoz> with kindness you get everywhere
[12:28]  * Maik hugs nicoz
[12:31] <nicoz> reciprocates ;)


[00:11] <asac> doanac: not sure if you are off... maybe you could run through all those 0/0 jobs before going off one more time?
[00:11] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/2999/
[00:11] <asac> that one also doesnt have a few
[00:11] <asac> like security etc.
[00:41] <asac> anyone knows who to talk to if there are broken panda's here: http://s-jenkins:8080/computer/ ?
[04:30] <pitti> Good morning
[07:24] <jibel> good morning
[09:15] <cking> gema, yesterday I asked about the power testing that's not been working for > 3 weeks and you said you would give me an ETA on that. Do you have an ETA on your ETA?
[09:15] <gema> cking: yes, next week I will discuss it with plars and get them running again
[09:16] <gema> he is on holidays this week
[09:16] <gema> we are going to use the extra fluke for that
[09:16] <gema> cking: there has been a miscomunication somewhere and we dropped the ball
[09:16] <gema> cking: sorry about that
[09:16] <cking> so I guess end of next week at the earliest then
[09:16] <gema> cking: yes
[09:18] <cking> ok, thanks for the info, it informs me how I can sanity check the latest kernel PM issues
[09:20] <gema> cking: I will try to get traction on that this week if there is a regression
[09:21] <cking> i guess I need to get some kit rigged up and look at the latest kernel to see whats going on, I'm running tight on time on this issue
[09:30] <gema> cking: ok, i will check with larry later today if we can speed up the hooking of that fluke for you to be able to run the tests if that'd help
[09:32] <cking> it would be useful to see what's being happening in the past few weeks as I'm sure there may be a power regression but I've got no supporting data to inform me how to make a rational decision at the moment
[09:40] <cking> gema, you realise that there is a risk of get different results with a different fluke meter if they've not been recently calibrated. so putting another fluke meter on this test may give misleading data
[09:46] <cking> gema, last week I sent an email with some prototyped mobile probes that work in UTAH, I was wondering if these will get integrated into the tests, I guess I was wondering how we proceed on this as I've not heard any feedback for week
[10:25] <cking> hrm
[10:58] <gema> cking: andy is working on that
[10:58] <gema> cking: but it is not his higher priority this week
[10:59] <cking> ack
[10:59] <gema> cking: we've been talking to the guys in NZ as well to coordinate the autopilot and utah efforts
[10:59] <gema> cking: but it is not their higher priority either because the testing is in so bad shape
[10:59] <gema> (functional)
[10:59] <gema> that we need to help fix it
[11:00] <cking> yep, I realize it needs some more love
[11:00] <gema> cking: a lot of it
[11:00] <gema> cking: so we haven't forgotten you, we've just been sent on a mission to put the world in autopilot
[11:00] <gema> and we are still working on the probing in the background
[11:01] <gema> cking: we can put the old fluke for the old testing and use the new one for the new testing
[11:01] <gema> cking: I have no idea how rfowler and sconklin are calibrating the flukes
[11:01] <gema> cking: it may be worth for you to talk to rfowler
[11:01] <gema> and steve
[11:01] <gema> and figure it out
[11:01] <cking> ack
[11:02] <gema> cking: I will keep you posted anyway, I am trying to flesh out all we are doing in nicely followable BPs
[11:02] <gema> including the PS QA part of the team
[11:02] <cking> the old fluke on the "old" tests is advisable, since we don't want to introduce another H/W change that will affect the results over time
[11:03] <gema> cking: absolutely
[11:03] <gema> cking: please follow up with rfowler and make sure he understands that
[11:03] <gema> cking: assuming they haven't recalibrated it in the process of hooking it to puts
[11:03] <cking> gema, I can communitate that to him, but I can't vouch that it will be understood, that's out of my control
[11:04] <gema> cking: ok, I can be with you in that meeting
[11:04] <gema> and make sure we are all in sync
[11:04] <gema> let me schedule something
[11:05] <cking> no, let me send an email, meetings kill my life - they take too many man resources
[11:05] <gema> cking: ack
[11:05] <gema> cking: but I don't see people's faces when they read it, so it makes more difficult to get all the questions asked and answered
[11:05] <gema> that's the only reason I wanted to have us all talking for 30 mins and make sure everybody is in sync
[11:06] <gema> cking: send it and I will meet with him
[12:07] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:31] <sm0x2> Hey guys, i'm new and my girlfriend has a problem with Unity, there are  sometimes freezes. Has anyone tipps and tricks to create a really good BugReport?
[13:37] <jibel> sm0x2, hi, there are guidelines on the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs to create good bug report, a complete freeze of the system could be a kernel or graphics driver issue
[13:38] <jibel> sm0x2, #ubuntu-bugs on freenode is a more appropriate channel for questions about bugs
[14:03] <gema> cking: the meter is back in place, I just need to get someone to reenable those tests
[14:03] <cking> gema, thanks \o/
[14:03] <gema> :)
[14:56] <DanChapman> afternoon all :-)
[15:28] <DanChapman> balloons, I really don't get what's going on with firefox on jenkins. Grrrr!
[15:37] <balloons> DanChapman, :-( sorry to hear that!
[15:51] <elopio> balloons: now I have the approval for the first emulator branch, but it failed to lande due to an unrelated unstable test.
[15:51] <elopio> this is not an easy road :)
[15:51] <elopio> I've fixed the unstable test, now asking again for reviews.
[15:53] <balloons> elopio, thank you for traversing the road
[15:53] <balloons> virtual beers for you sir1
[15:54] <balloons> DanChapman, did you land the changes to the ff test?
[15:54]  * balloons notes this is why we like introspection :-)
[15:55] <elopio> virtual beers, that's what makes it worth it ;)
[15:55] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah but its now the tabs_and_windows test failing which has been passing up til now. Will see what todays run brings. Might be a one off
[15:55] <balloons> elopio, when we meet again you can convert those into the real thing :-)
[15:56] <elopio> now we are talking!
[15:56] <elopio> (I'm joking, of course. I do it for the lolz)
[15:57]  * elopio goes back to work.
[15:57] <balloons> elopio, do you surf?
[15:58] <elopio> balloons: I've just done it once, a couple of weeks ago. I suck.
[15:58] <balloons> elopio, :-) I saw the picture and wondered if it was you or not
[15:58]  * balloons lets elopio go back to work mode
[16:00] <elopio> balloons: yes, that was me. My brother gave me surf lessons as a present. It was fun, but I see no future there :)
[16:01] <balloons> elfy, lol.. well I don't surf, but if I did I would kitesurf.. Instead I kitebuggy on the beaches here.. Can you drive on the beaches where your at? Are they hard packed sand?
[16:03] <elopio> I've never seen somebody doing it here. It's soft sand, mostly.
[16:04] <elopio> I suppose it would work in some beaches. It looks fun.
[16:07] <elfy> balloons: I don't either, and where I live the beaches are stones ...
[16:07] <balloons> elfy, sorry for the ping.. tab complete and all.. elopio, elfy ...
[16:07] <elfy> :p
[16:08] <elfy> I never tab fail - everyone will tell you ...
[16:08] <balloons> I mean.. I meant to do that!
[16:08] <balloons> of course, elfy you and I talk surfing all the time
[16:08] <elfy> lol
[16:55] <jibel> DanChapman, I'll enable video recording if it helps figuring out the issue with firefox, I'll try to do that this evening
[17:06] <DanChapman> jibel, that would help alot. Thanks :-)
[17:37] <balloons> jibel, xnox  you still about?
[17:38] <jibel> balloons, more or less
[17:38] <jibel> balloons, how can I help?
[17:38] <balloons> I'm trying to schedule a hangout with yourself me and DanChapman_ about getting ubiquity autopilot running..
[17:39] <balloons> I'm scheduling now and thought it would be useful to see if you were around to make sure I picked a good time for you :-)
[17:39] <xnox> balloons: well, I am London time. So it's paste my end of day now, and I should be in the swimming pool =) but instead I am finishing up on android build.
[17:40] <jibel> balloons, not tomorrow between 1430 and 1600 utc anything else will be fine
[17:41] <balloons> can we do thursday at 1500 UTC xnox and jibel?
[17:41] <balloons> xnox, I shan't be the reason your not in the pool!
[17:41] <xnox> balloons: pitti at one stage looked at getting ubiquity autopilot running in the lab, as far as I remember. pitti, did you succeed in tricking partman into believing which devices are available?
[17:41] <xnox> might be late for pitti, as well now.
[17:41] <balloons> xnox, yes, jibel has an idea for how we can run it.. I just thought we could all sit and chat and figure it out :-)
[17:41] <xnox> balloons: anything finishing before 17:30 UTC should be fine.
[17:42] <balloons> kk, invites on the way
[17:42] <xnox> ack.
[17:42] <balloons> enjoy your evenings!
[17:43] <jibel> balloons, I even have something nearly working, it is just a bit slow because it is running in qemu and rendering performance is, hm, low
[17:43] <jibel> balloons, I tried on hardware by faking disk devices with a device mapper or scsi_debug, but well partman didn't like this option,
[17:44] <balloons> jibel, supposedly accelerated qemu is coming this year
[17:44] <jibel> balloons, so, ok to talk on thursday
[17:44] <balloons> jibel, yes indeed.. :-)
[18:02] <dkessel> balloons, i could watch the 50 minute long video now - or i could hack some test(s) today ;)
[18:02] <balloons> dkessel, howdy!
[18:02] <balloons> dkessel, have an app in mind? If not, I have something in mind for you :-)
[18:03] <dkessel> balloons, just noticed your mail about the video in my spam folder.... bad bad spam filter...
[18:03] <dkessel> balloons, what do you suggest?
[18:03] <balloons> dkessel, :-p
[18:03] <balloons> dkessel, the music app.. It's recently been through the hack day and is getting more and more into shape
[18:03] <balloons> it needs tests for everything.. I don't even think it has the basic layout merged yet
[18:05] <dkessel> ok. let me update the branch and see about the check tests bugs...
[18:19] <balloons> phillw, ping
[18:24] <dkessel> mhall119, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Music has broken links in the "release schedule" section
[18:50] <mhall119> dkessel: thanks, I'll fix it
[18:51] <mhall119> hmmm, music team isn't on status.u.c
[18:55] <phillw> balloons: pong
[18:55] <balloons> phillw, saw your WIP for the activities page
[18:55] <phillw> thoughts?
[18:55] <balloons> just wanted to see what you had in mind for the contributing testcases side, etc
[18:56] <balloons> I might want to see a 1 sentence description with the links, but I like the direction
[18:56] <balloons> I'm worried about the top piece however, it's getting to be more than a page before the actual content, heh
[18:56] <phillw> I'll be hunting down the various wiki pages, mentioning the tutorial sessions etc.
[18:57] <balloons> right.. so, keep at it
[18:57] <balloons> ty!
[18:58] <phillw> I'll re-do the classroom bit, I think it should be moved to the quality classroom wiki page.
[18:59] <balloons> right, and linking should be easier after the changes
[18:59] <phillw> yes, it took a while to create all the sub pages :D
[19:13] <dkessel> mhall119, can you point me to where the "real code" (logic, etc) of the music app is? i'm stumbling from file to file but can't find where it actually populates it's database...
[19:14] <mhall119> dkessel: meta-database.js does the music file scanning
[19:15] <dkessel> mhall119, =) ok then i must have skipped over that. thanks
[19:15] <mhall119> dkessel: though the real heavy-lifting is done in the nemo folderlistmodel plugin
[19:17] <dkessel> hm. to be more specific: i've written a setup step for my autopilot test. it creates a temp dir, then sets $HOME to point to the temp dir... copies music into $HOME/Music... and i expected the app to find the music file. but it doesn't seem to. the album list is coming up empty.
[19:19] <dkessel> mhall119, ^ and now i wonder if the music app code is even the right place to look...
[19:21] <mhall119> dkessel: might be better to email the app's developers, I'm only vaguely familiar with it
[19:22] <mhall119> dkessel: ping danielholm in #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:23] <dkessel> mhall119, ok
[19:50] <balloons> mhall119, dkessel thanks
[19:50] <balloons> dkessel, you wanted something exciting right?
[19:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hi
[19:50] <dkessel> balloons, :P I am now mailing danielholm, and will wait for a response the other day then....
[19:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[19:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, just to let you know I proposed a merge for sudoku app the hint button test, fixed it and completed it
[19:51] <balloons> dkessel, ty.. if you just want to push the basic layout that would be helpful by itself
[19:51] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh excellent!
[19:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, :-)
[19:52] <dkessel> balloons, all I have now are two tiny helper methods to help setup a test. If you think that makes sense to merge already... sure..
[19:53] <balloons> dkessel, ahh, I see the layout is there
[19:53] <balloons> I was thinking that it wasn't.. meaning no autopilot folder, etc
[19:53] <balloons> so, ignore my comment :-)
[19:59] <thomi_> morning
[20:11] <dkessel> good evening thomi
[20:47] <Noskcaj> balloons, would you still e able to attend the testdrive hackfest if it's during the weekend?
[20:48] <balloons> Noskcaj, depends :-) Summer is very busy for me, as you can imagine... If you tell me the date and time, I'll be able to answer. i'd like to attend
[20:49] <Noskcaj> ok. It will probably be early august, that's as close to fitting everyone as i can get.
[20:51] <balloons> Noskcaj, if it happens in august I probably can't make it. I'll be off the internet :-p
[20:51] <Noskcaj> oh, ok
[20:51] <balloons> earlier in the month is better.. I kid a little, but yea, I'll be disconnected much of the month
[20:54] <Noskcaj> I'm hoping one of the first weekends to skip different freezes
[20:55] <balloons> that's a good chance then of me being able to make it :-)
[21:14] <phillw> balloons: ready for idiot checking (I mean proof-cheking :P ) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities
[21:15] <SergioMeneses> looool
[21:15]  * SergioMeneses says hi everybody
[21:16] <balloons> phillw, ohh nice.. I want to make some edits!
[21:19] <phillw> balloons: feel more than free to dive on to it! My brain is now fuzzy :D
[21:22] <phillw> balloons: I've still to add in the Logo for testing etc. I'm just having a break, wiki editing is quite intense when you are jumping between various tabs, creating pages etc :)
[21:22] <balloons> ohh no doubt
[21:22] <balloons> my edit will be up in a moment
[21:23] <phillw> balloons: if you could have a go at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities#What_can_I_do.3F to bring it into the format I've used for the rest of the page, that'd be a great help!
[21:24] <balloons> phillw, ok basic re-arranging is done
[21:24] <phillw> It needs really, to mention that we do both cadence testing and milestone testing depending on the flavours
[21:25] <phillw> balloons: thnx, the 'who we are' was added as Noskaj had mentioned it, and I do think that listing us and our machines is useful :)
[21:26] <balloons> the content itself needs tweaked, but the layout is better I think
[21:29] <phillw> yes, I think it's better to make up a page covering alphas, betas and RCs. I have the basic format at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Testing so it is not a horrendous task for me to do :)
[21:33] <Noskcaj> I've made a wiki page for the testdrive hackfest at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Testdrive/Hackfest
[21:44] <phillw> Noskcaj: get it added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hackfest
[21:49] <Noskcaj> phillw, shouldn't i wait for a final date to do that?
[21:53] <Noskcaj> added
[21:56] <Noskcaj> I've also posted it to the Quality FB page and am awaiting a retweet from the Quality twitter
[21:58] <phillw> Noskcaj: yeah, having a final date is good, but leeting people know it is upcoming is also good :)
[21:59] <Noskcaj> Somewhere on the activities page you should reference that testdrive exists, it will help newcomers get set up.
[21:59] <phillw> balloons: I've moved 'flask192x192.png' to the correct area, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage It can now be used anywhere on the QA area by simply to it. No need to upload it to each page you wish to use it on.
[22:01] <phillw> Noskcaj: testdrive, Vbox and KVM are mentioned in the classroom sessions as part of 'the tools we use'. I'm open to ideas of having more things mentioned, but I've spent quite a lot of time getting  the current activities page into something that nearly follows best guide for wiki formatting!
[22:05] <phillw> balloons: that worked! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities
[22:07] <SergioMeneses> phillw, awesome!
[22:07] <phillw> Noskcaj: the "Who are we" section is not only mentioned, but was promoted by the boss :D
[22:07] <Noskcaj> Everything looks ready for it to go live
[22:08] <phillw> SergioMeneses: It's nearly ready... needs people to check out that all the links work and that nothing from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities has been  lost (I nearly missed the contributing to test cases section... )_
[22:10] <phillw> Noskcaj: I've just to redo the section covering cadence testing and add in milestone testing.
[22:10] <SergioMeneses> I see  but when you was working on it didn't you check it?
[22:12] <phillw> SergioMeneses: when doing this type of 'destroy and re-create', it is possible to lose information (Or, in my case, an entire section). I had 3 editing tabs open most of the time, some times more. It is quite 'fun' to so such a re-write, but it deperately needed doing and I had a a couple of days between milestones where I could attack it full on.
[22:12] <phillw> *desperately*
[22:13] <SergioMeneses> phillw, you're right such things happen
[22:14] <SergioMeneses> phillw, I can check it out if you want to
[22:14] <SergioMeneses> is this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities right?
[22:25] <dkessel> bye balloons - i'll keep on trying to get tests for the music app going, currently in mail contact with one of the authors... see you around, i'm late for bed.
[22:25] <balloons> dkessel, see you! thanks mate
[22:26] <balloons> phillw, that looks very nice
[22:26] <balloons> makes you want to fix the content even more :-p
[22:54] <SergioMeneses> phillw, around?
[22:56] <SergioMeneses> phillw, all link are working https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities good work
[23:06] <phillw> SergioMeneses: yeah, just prepping up a page for alpha / betas
[23:28] <phillw> balloons: ping
[23:29] <SergioMeneses> phillw, if you need some help, please let me know
[23:29] <balloons> phillw, about to walk the dog mate, what's up?
[23:29] <balloons> we netsplit there for a bit
[23:52] <phillw> balloons: I have edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/TheStages to mention that we don't all use alphas etc. Can you have a hack at it to include the cadence stuff?


[02:38] <sproaty> Following this page https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors regarding my PPA errors - "File <UPLOADED_FILE> already exists in <LOCATION>, but uploaded version has different contents." - it says to extract the orig. tarball, run debuild -S on it, then re-upload, leaving out the .tar.gz file
[02:38] <sproaty> so I've moved my .tar.gz away from the directory I'm trying to "dput" with, but it's giving me an error - "can't open the .tar.gz"- so how can I omit it?
[02:43] <wgrant> sproaty: You can't just move it away. You have to convince debuild that it shouldn't include the .orig.tar.gz in the .changes file. What is the version number you're using?
[02:44] <nhandler> Just a heads up, https://help.launchpad.net/LaunchpadReleases is pretty out of date. It has not been updated since 2.2.7 (22nd July 2009)
[02:46] <sproaty> wgrant, pbuilder 0.138ubuntu1 // devscripts 2.10.48ubuntu1 (I search for debuilder in synaptic, that's what came up)
[02:46] <wgrant> soren: I mean the version of the package you're trying to build.
[02:46] <lifeless> s/soren/sproaty
[02:46] <lifeless> ?
[02:46] <sproaty> oh
[02:47] <sproaty> it's my own program, 0.38.1
[02:48] <wgrant> sproaty: So the version string in the changelog is '0.38.1', not '0.38.1-<SOMETHING>'?
[02:52] <sproaty> wgrant, yup - whyteboard (0.38.1) jaunty; urgency=low
[02:52] <sproaty> I previously uploaded it then I missed out a Build-Depends, so my build failed
[02:52] <wgrant> sproaty: OK, so that's probably not what you want to do.
[02:53] <sproaty> and I can't upload another in its place
[02:53] <wgrant> Right. You can never upload the same version twice.
[02:53] <sproaty> yeah, I'd like to just delete the whole PPA and start again, but they can't be deletedI heard
[02:54] <wgrant> So you need increase the version, but you probably want to also make the packege non-native (that is, add a '-<SOMETHING>' to the version)
[02:54] <sproaty> so should I just name this 0.38.1~1 ?
[02:54] <wgrant> 0.38.1~1 < 0.38.1, so no.
[02:55] <wgrant> See the first couple of paragraphs of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Changing%20the%20Original%20Tarball
[02:55] <sproaty> I don't want .2, so .11 it'll be. Bummer though since I want higher versions to indicate fixes/new stuff
[02:55] <wgrant> .11 > .2
[02:55] <sproaty> alright, thanks.
[02:56] <wgrant> No, we're not done yet.
[02:56] <wgrant> This is why we have non-native packages.
[02:56] <wgrant> The bit of the version after the '-' indicates the revision of the packaging.
[02:57] <wgrant> So you don't have to make a new upstream version (eg. 0.38.2) just to fix the packaging.
[02:57] <wgrant> You could initially have 0.38.1-0ppa1, find you forgot a build dependency, so just upload 0.38.1-0ppa2
[02:58] <wgrant> Now, in this case you should have a whyteboard_0.38.1.orig.tar.gz. That's the tarball of the 0.38.1 release, normally without the debian/ directory.
[02:58] <sproaty> ah yes, that sounds good - clearly states that this version is just revision changing
[02:58] <wgrant> That way you don't have to reupload all the code each time, just the diff with debian/* in it.
[02:59] <sproaty> I don't have an .orig file though. The .tar.gz created after I first ran debuild -S contained the debian/ dir
[03:00] <wgrant> The .orig.tar.gz isn't created by any Debian-related tools.
[03:00] <wgrant> It's just the plain upstream release.
[03:00] <sproaty> but the easiest fix now is to change the revision, rebuild and upload ?
[03:01] <wgrant> I would strongly recommend that you get the orig.tar.gz and switch to versioning similar to my suggestion.
[03:01] <wgrant> Make your build-depends fix, and upload -0ppa1
[03:01] <wgrant> Actually: make your build-depends fix, test your package in pbuilder to make sure you don't need any more, then upload.
[03:02] <sproaty> alright, I'll give it a shot
[03:05] <sproaty> I'll make my .orig.tar.gz by tarring my files and remove the debian/* ?
[03:06] <wgrant> Ah, you don't have a real release?
[03:07] <sproaty> This was my first PPA upload
[03:07] <wgrant> It's not PPA-related.
[03:08] <sproaty> well my release procedure thus far -- work on files, think "ok, release". tar them up -- host them online. I was using dpkg-builder to make a deb but that was specific to my CPU architecture
[03:08] <sproaty> so each new release was justall my files tarred up
[03:09] <wgrant> Ah.
[03:09] <sproaty> It;s only 90kb or so
[03:09] <wgrant> So, one would normally create a distribution-neutral gzipped release tarball.
[03:09] <wgrant> Then build the packages on top of that.
[03:09] <sproaty> I think that's what I've been doing
[03:10] <wgrant> I thought you said you didn't have such a tarball yet.
[03:10] <sproaty> It's all python, so my tarball is just all the python code
[03:11] <sproaty> seems pretty distribution netural to me :p
[03:11] <wgrant> If you have a distribution-neutral source tarball, it is probably your orig.tar.gz.
[03:12] <sproaty> ok
[03:13] <sproaty> I've uploaded the -0ppa1 rev, hopefully that'll build
[03:13] <wgrant> Did you test it in pbuilder locally?
[03:13] <sproaty> I should learn that pbuilder testing
[03:13] <sproaty> nah laziness took over
[03:14] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:16] <sproaty> hence, laziness :D
[03:17] <sproaty> I'll give it a skim over
[03:20] <sproaty> wgrant,  any idea how much space does this image take?
[03:21] <sproaty> well, -0ppa1 was accepted, woo :)
[03:21] <wgrant> sproaty: Probably a couple of hundred megabytes.
[03:22] <sproaty> I'm pretty sure the build-depends I added should now help it pass the build. my install script does nothing fancy
[03:27] <sproaty> yup, it built with pdeb!
[03:29] <sproaty> built quicker on LP than on my local machine, I think...heh
[03:30] <sproaty> wgrant: thanks very much for your patience and support  :)
[03:36] <sproaty> woo! installed it via apt, too. Excellent, excellent!
[03:39] <wgrant> sproaty: Well done.
[03:42] <sproaty> side-question, if you don't mind since you're knowledgable about debbuild - does it always prompt for your GPG key's password twice?
[03:42] <sproaty> I think I changed keys because of it, kept thinking I was typing the wrong pass
[03:42] <lifeless> when you have two things to sign and no agent, yes.
[03:42] <wgrant> sproaty: Unless you have a gpg agent set up, yes. It has to sign two files.
[03:43] <sproaty> ahh I was wondering what that agent thingy was on about
[03:43] <wgrant> (the two files are the .dsc and the .changes)
[03:44] <sproaty> oh right, thanks
[04:18] <RenatoSilva> There really isn't a way to undo the "Target to release" in a bug?
[04:18] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Set the status to Won't Fix. That is as close as it can get.
[04:19] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: but can I set it back to the normal status?
[04:20] <RenatoSilva> hum it won't go back to the previows way
[04:20] <RenatoSilva> I click Target to release, then Trunk appears there, it creates a new line below the yellow are
[04:20] <RenatoSilva> a
[04:21] <RenatoSilva> and mode all data from yellow box to there
[04:21] <RenatoSilva> I want to revert this
[04:22] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: I want to revert this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/moin-solenoid/+bug/433862
[04:22] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/moin-solenoid/+bug/448411
[04:27] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: If you set the trunk task to Won't Fix, the main task will open up again.
[04:28] <RenatoSilva> ok let me try
[04:28] <wgrant> (yes, I believe this is probably the most ridiculously obscure fact about Launchpad Bugs)
[04:30] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: but I want to remove the Trunk part
[04:30] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: it goes back to the yelllow box, but the box below doesn't disappear :(
[04:31] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: You cannot remove the trunk task. The best you can do is reactivate the main one.
[04:32] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: LP could have warn the user then. I thought I could undo that
[04:32] <RenatoSilva> Maybe it was a mistake
[04:32] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: It's just like "Also affects project"
[04:32] <RenatoSilva> In fact it is, because I don't use multiple series
[04:32] <wgrant> Both should be undoable, but are not at this time, and don't cause any big problems.
[04:35] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: using it makes the affects field point to trunk, like the bug is happening in trunk, which is not necessarily correct. Well, actually it means that the bug affects that series, whatever release right? but it sounds a bit weird there. Using the previous approach, the affects field just says the project name
[04:36] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: I mean the effects of mistaken use of "Target to release" and "Also affects project" are the same -- a single extra incorrect task which just needs to be closed.
[04:37] <RenatoSilva> ok
[04:37] <RenatoSilva> thanks
[04:52] <sproaty> if I'm uploading my PPA with dput, and specify a specific ubuntu version, does that overwrite the value in the changelog? I first had to change 'unstable' to 'jaunty' -- whyteboard (0.38.1-0ppa1) jaunty; urgency=low
[04:52] <sproaty> ...in order to be able to upload my files
[04:56] <wgrant> sproaty: The upload path does override the distroseries in the changelog, but I recommend against using that (you have to change the changelog anyway).
[04:56] <sproaty> ended up being rejected, guess I'll have to change the ppa rev to be distro-specific
[04:57] <sproaty> rejected due to already existing but with different contents
[04:57] <wgrant> Right, you can't upload the same version twice to the same PPA.
[04:57] <wgrant> -0ppa1~jaunty1, -0ppa1~hardy1, etc.
[04:57] <sproaty> I looked at intrepid/jaunty/hardy and they all have the same versions of the package I rely on :(
[04:58] <sproaty> shame you can't "do them all at once"
[04:58] <wgrant> sproaty: If you know the same binaries will work on all releases, you can copy them.
[04:59] <wgrant> sproaty: (see the 'Copy packages' link on your PPA page, and select a different target series)
[04:59] <sproaty> oh
[05:00] <sproaty> ah yes, it was cryptically hidden away :)
[05:01] <sproaty> probably won't even need a rebuild; yay, python.
[05:03] <wgrant> I wouldn't be so sure about that, but it's worth a try.
[05:03] <wgrant> (Python packaging changed significantly between Intrepid and Jaunty, although good newer packaging should also work on the older releases)
[05:04] <sproaty> ah
[05:04] <sproaty> I know the app runs on 2.5.4, which is what Intrepid uses
[05:19] <sproaty> Do programs leave out a translation from LP until the translation is fully completed? like, German has only been half-done for me, so I'm not sure if I should have it or not
[05:35] <wgrant> sproaty: Isn't a partial translation better than none at all?
[05:36] <sproaty> yes, plus I assume they can speak english in order to actually obtain my software...
[09:42] <Agafonov> Hi! Please take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/434060
[09:55] <Agafonov> 2LP authors - add non-ascii tests to your test suit!
[10:04] <Agafonov> We cannot update our bugs due to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/331990
[10:07] <wgrant> Agafonov: As you can see in that bug, the regression is known and being worked on.
[10:08] <kwah> wgrant, it is marked as Fix released already
[10:08] <Agafonov> 2009-10-08: Triaged → Fix Released
[10:08] <wgrant> kwah: In one of the libraries upon which Launchpad depends.
[10:09] <kwah> so, relevant subsystem is fixed
[10:09] <wgrant> But the fixed version is not in production at this point.
[10:09] <kwah> when we might expect it to be rolled out/deployed?
[10:09] <wgrant> I cannot say.
[10:09] <kwah> are there workarounds?
[10:09] <wgrant> For now, use the non-AJAX forms.
[10:10] <kwah> for the time being.
[10:10] <wgrant> eg. add /+edit or /+editstatus to the bug URL.
[10:11] <Agafonov> it took one week to find that way :)
[10:11] <kwah> ah, thanks for the tip
[10:11] <wgrant> Agafonov: Well, you could have always asked in here.
[10:12] <kwah> wgrant, well, so buggy functionality should not be really rolled out in the wild, don't you think?
[10:12] <kwah> ah, sorry for the rant. thanks again.
[10:15] <wgrant> kwah: Certainly not. But the tests didn't catch this one (the JS testing infrastructure is still not perfect).
[10:19] <Agafonov> wgrant: thanks for workaround.
[10:20] <kwah> +1
[13:20] <jimi_hendrix> how bad is the delay
[13:23] <mathepic> It should take less than a day for it to update your branch
[13:23] <mathepic> I'm not sure when it finally updated mine
[13:25] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[13:25] <jimi_hendrix> i pushed to a junk branch last night (lp:~jimi-hendrix/+junk/...) and it hasnt updated
[13:26] <jimi_hendrix> the branch exists, but nothing is in the folder made by a pull
[16:53] <ripps> I'm having trouble dputing to my team's ppa, it sits for a long time, then I get "[Errno 110] Connection timed out"
[17:37] <\u03b5> any idea of somewhere where I could host wiki & documentation for a project on launchpad?
[17:37] <mathepic> Hmm
[17:38] <mathepic> Documentation you could just do with HTML using texinfo
[17:38] <\u03b5> was mainly thinking about API docs
[17:39] <mathepic> No idea
[17:39] <\u03b5> hm
[17:40] <\u03b5> would have been sure this question had been brought up here
[17:40] <\u03b5> * before
[17:41] <mathepic> Do you have your own remote server?
[17:41] <mathepic> You could probably just install mediawiki
[17:41] <\u03b5> nope
[17:42] <\u03b5> rather small project
[17:42] <\u03b5> well ill google around
[17:42] <\u03b5> perhaps ill have luck
[17:44] <\u03b5> heh, I got wp's comparison of OSS hosting serices
[17:44] <\u03b5> which says lp offers a wifi Oo
[17:46] <\u03b5> wiki **
[19:57] <AskHL_> I uploaded a .deb to the PPA now, but it's for intrepid, and I should have chosen jaunty.  If I rebuild the package with jaunty, I can't upload again because the package already exists.  So how do you upload packages for more than one Ubuntu version?
[19:58] <bigjools> use the copy packages feature to copy to a different series
[19:59] <AskHL_> bigjools, thank you
[19:59] <bigjools> welcome
[21:06] <geser> bigjools: this will rebuild the source now? AskHL_ doesn't need a new upload (with a different version) anymore to get it build for another Ubuntu release?
[21:07] <RenatoSilva> when I target a bug to trunk series, the series show targeted bugs twice
[21:08] <RenatoSilva> I have 8 bugs target to the trunk, and 1 is not. So trunk is showing 17 bugs targeted, when actually it's 9
[21:08] <RenatoSilva> In my related bugs, those bugs also show twice
[21:08] <CarlFK> I entered my bug report, hit "create bug report" and it didn't create it
[21:10] <CarlFK> never mind.  now it worked.
[21:12] <CarlFK> ok, I am not sure what happened - result: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/aptitude/+question/85509
[21:13] <CarlFK> I must have clikced "Ask a question"
[21:19] <AskHL_> geser, when copying the package, it complained that the package was still waiting to be built (which is true, although it'll take a few hours before that happens).  So I suppose I'll try again at that point, assuming the build succeeds.  It's rather long time to wait for 'compiling' a very small pure-python package, and then presumably it must build for jaunty too, but oh well.
[21:24] <geser> AskHL_: IIRC you can only copy source + binaries to an new release in your PPA (unlesse it was fixed already)
[21:25] <geser> AskHL_: you should only do this when you know that the package still will be installable in the target distribution (and still works there)
[21:33] <AskHL_> geser, that's a pretty safe assumption for programs with no dependencies except python, and written only in python, right?
[21:34] <geser> AskHL_: yes, for python programms that's pretty safe
[21:35] <AskHL_> geser, I'll have to make a new release in the PPA, and then copy the source + binaries to that source, changing the 'intrepid' to 'jaunty'.  Is there any more to it than this?  If it were more complicated, what should I do?  Recompile the package and upload to ppa again with [what] changed (to avoid the conflict)?
[21:35] <AskHL_> geser, was that even remotely understandable?
[21:37] <geser> AskHL_: if you copy the files from intrepid to jaunty, the the same files (same source package and same debs) will be available for jaunty and intrepid
[21:39] <geser> AskHL_: if you need to upload the same package (for what ever reasons, like e.g. renamed dependencies), you need to upload it with a different version (a slight modification like e.g. appending the release name to the revision is enough)
[21:39] <AskHL_> geser, ah, that was exactly what I wanted to know.  Thank you!
[21:40] <geser> e.g. upload 1.0-1intrepid to intrepid and upload the same package but as 1.0-1jaunty to jaunty
[21:50] <AskHL_> Ouch, the build failed rather miserably!
[21:50] <AskHL_> Err http://ftpmaster.internal intrepid Release.gpg
[21:50] <AskHL_>   Could not connect to ftpmaster.internal:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[21:52] <AskHL_> And then it went downhill from there.  Attempted to fetch dependencies, failed, ultimately didn't build anything.
[21:57] <AskHL_> I don't really get it.  Could this be a launchpad error?
[21:58] <geser> AskHL_: most likely. bigjools? ^^
[21:58] <AskHL_> (usually when doing something for the first time and it fails, it's my own fault)
[22:09] <wgrant> AskHL_: That's an internal Launchpad error. Retry the build.
[22:12] <AskHL_> wgrant, thank you.  It sais it'll build on iridium in a couple of minutes, should I just wait for that or should I attempt to cancel and go from scratch?
[22:12] <AskHL_> s/sais/says/
[22:13] <AskHL_> Ah, already started
[23:14] <CarlFK> https://edge.launchpad.net/+search?field.text=grub_machine_fini&field.actions.search=Search
[23:15] <CarlFK> that shows me: "                   Launchpad Bugs                                  #449083 grub_machine_fini ..."
[23:15] <CarlFK> but the only thing I can click on is a href= https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs> Launchpad bug/a
[23:16] <CarlFK> no link to the item it found
[23:16] <wgrant> If you look closely, you'll see that the link is right.
[23:16] <wgrant> Google found that text on the listing of the latest bugs filed.
[23:16] <wgrant> And hasn't found the bug itself yet.
[23:16] <CarlFK> ah
[23:16] <wgrant> The search on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ would be more effective.
[23:33] <AskHL_> wgrant, you said previously that the build failure I had was an internal launchpad error.  It is continuing to build on various servers right now.  Should I completely cancel this (how?) or should I let it continue?  How do I rebuild on just one of them (and I don't remember which)
[23:34] <wgrant> AskHL_: Why would you want to rebuild on just one?
[23:34] <AskHL_> wgrant, it appeared to succeed on the subsequent one
[23:35] <wgrant> AskHL_: It looks like a transient error. I don't think it is likely to happen again.
[23:35] <AskHL_> wgrant, but will it be missing one platform then?  Or will it figure this out?
[23:36] <wgrant> AskHL_: You might need to retry the builds if they fail.
[23:37] <wgrant> AskHL_: (go on to the page for the build, and click the retry link)
[23:39] <AskHL_> wgrant, I can't find any retry links.  Is this because it is still building?
[23:40] <wgrant> AskHL_: Probably.
[23:40] <wgrant> AskHL_: Which is your PPA?
[23:41] <AskHL_> wgrant, https://launchpad.net/~pyg3t-dev-team/+archive/ppa
[23:42] <wgrant> It is currently waiting to build.
[23:42] <AskHL_> It was just being built a moment ago
[23:42] <AskHL_> And some minutes before that.  It has been built on various servers with intermittent waiting for the whole evening
[23:43] <wgrant> Hm.
[23:43] <wgrant> You're right.
[23:43] <wgrant> Something is broken.
[23:43] <wgrant> In a very strange way.
[23:44] <AskHL_> But the log which it links (where it can't fetch various things) doesn't match the output it shows when I update *during* each build.
[23:44] <AskHL_> That log, I think, corresponds to the first build.  But all the others (I'm assuming that's for different platforms) appeared to work, judging by the live output it was showing in between.  I just didn't get any of the logs entirely, because the log can't be accessed (or I can't find it) once it is done
[23:45] <wgrant> Which others?
[23:45] <wgrant> There was only one build - i386.
[23:46] <AskHL_> Let's see: iridium (twice), thallium (at least once, will be twice in 9 minutes)
[23:46] <AskHL_> seaborgium too
[23:47] <wgrant> It's all the same build.
[23:47] <wgrant> Just being very very broken.
[23:53] <AskHL_> wgrant, is there anything in particular I should do?   Nothing you can do.


[01:53] <mhall119> robert_ancell: https://launchpad.net/developer-portal
[01:53] <robert_ancell> mhall119, ta
[01:54] <mhall119> np
[02:10] <mhall119> robert_ancell: Five Letters if fun :)
[02:10] <mhall119> right up there with Blabble, but I can actually win these levels :)
[02:10] <robert_ancell> mhall119, yeah, it came out quite nice in the end. Did you have any trouble working out the UI? I'm not sure if it needs a tutorial to show how to play or is self-evident enough
[02:11] <mhall119> it took me a few tried before I realized that the goals below the letters changed as I found them
[02:11] <mhall119> but otherwise was simple enough
[04:20] <pitti> Good morning
[04:21] <TheMuso> Hey pitti, how goes it? :)
[04:21] <pitti> hey TheMuso; quite fine, thanks! how about yourself?
[04:24] <Mirv> pitti: morning, and I'd have a core-dev ack request for a simple Recommends addition to indicator-power: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-017-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_indicator-power_12.10.6+14.10.20141009-0ubuntu1.diff
[04:24] <Mirv> I'd have another ack to ask for also, but the change is from some Martin guy so I guess it's fine
[04:25] <pitti> Mirv: i-power ack (trivial)
[04:25] <pitti> Mirv: heh, four eyes is always better :)
[04:26] <TheMuso> pitti: Well thanks. Not ready for the warmer weather yet. :)
[04:26] <Mirv> pitti: thanks! sure, I looked through it :)
[07:08] <willcooke> g'morning
[07:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:10] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are things in the u.k?
[07:11] <willcooke> hey seb128.  It's not too bad at the moment :)
[07:20] <seb128> oh, right, Laney is having a vac day today
[07:21] <willcooke> ah, yes
[07:57] <darkxst> seb128, hey
[07:58] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:59] <Sweetshark> moin
[07:59] <darkxst> seb128, I updated my u-s-d branch with a last few fixes
[08:00] <seb128> darkxst, thanks
[08:00] <seb128> hey Sweetshark
[08:01] <darkxst> monitor dispose is fixed (so not possible to hit the hash table crashes anymore). also that makes laney's branch from this morning redundant
[08:01] <seb128> k
[08:02] <seb128> I'm going to kick a build of the current version in the silo
[08:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: I have https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/dict-ve-ftbfs and https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/dict-ss-ftbfs in addition to https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/ixion-autoreconf for review ;)
[08:06] <darkxst> seb128, btw assuming the silo's have ddebs enabled, they will be in main/debug, so you need to add that to your sources.list
[08:07] <seb128> in main/debug?
[08:07] <seb128> there are in http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/queue/utopic/
[08:09] <darkxst> well atleast our ppa's are, maybe the silo's are different though
[08:10] <darkxst> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu utopic main main/debug
[08:10] <seb128> Sweetshark, looking
[08:25] <Laney> secret hi
[08:25] <Laney> darkxst: nice, where was it?
[08:25] <darkxst> Laney, monitor was being disposed, but pointer in device_monitors didnt get cleared
[08:27] <darkxst> and the double free is quite possibly a bug in gtk+
[08:29] <Laney> how come they don't do that in mutter?
[08:31] <seb128> hey Laney, enjoying the day off?
[08:32] <Laney>
[08:32] <Laney> not yet, will be soon
[08:33] <seb128> do you have plans, out of the beer festival?
[08:33] <Laney> got to buy my sister's birthday present
[08:33] <seb128> or do you start on that in the afternoon? :-)
[08:33] <Laney> oho, you figured it out
[08:33] <seb128> lol
[08:33] <Laney> it gets busy at about 4.30
[08:34] <Laney> so need to get there early to beat the crowds
[08:34] <seb128> 4.30 utc, I'm sure it's beer'o'clock somewhere
[08:34] <seb128> so you might as well start joining those in spirit ;-)
[08:34] <seb128> utc->gmt
[08:34] <seb128> or whatever is london time atm
[08:35] <Laney> bst
[08:36] <Laney> right, off to do things
[08:36] <Laney> happy friday, good luck with usd ;-)
[08:36] <Laney> and happy weekend after that
[08:36] <Laney> byeeeee
[08:36] <seb128> Laney, bye
[08:36] <seb128> Laney, oh, glibmm sync in the queue if you fancy letting that in before going ;-)
[08:36] <seb128> have a good w.e!
[08:37] <darkxst> Laney, devices are managed in clutter for mutter
[13:49] <Zephyr1139> Has anyone else ever encountered an empty desktop with just a mouse cursor after an install of ubuntu 14.04?
[13:49] <seb128> hey Zephyr1139, no, that's not a known issue
[14:13] <Sweet5hark> *grumble*
[14:14] <seb128> Sweet5hark, ?
[14:14] <seb128> Sweet5hark, you are not an ubuntu member btw?
[14:14] <Sweet5hark> my pandaboard seems to have issues/have died. If you pinged me in the last 30 minutes, please redo. Ill try to revive the board ...
[14:15] <seb128> no ping on this channel for you
[14:16] <Sweet5hark> seb128: thanks! ... and indeed no memberships of any kind here ...
[14:16] <seb128> how come?
[14:16] <seb128> you should apply for ubuntu membership!
[14:18] <Sweet5hark> seb128: well, yeah ..
[14:20] <seb128> willcooke, do you know if happyaron is on vac? he said tuesday that he was on holidays, but he's not marked as such in the ue calendar it seems?
[14:20] <seb128> oh
[14:20] <seb128> it was a china holiday on monday/tuesday
[14:20] <seb128> ignore that ;-)
[14:20] <seb128> so I guess he should be around on monday
[14:21] <seb128> happyaron, can you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1379573 on monday?
[14:26] <happyaron> seb128: it's holiday from 1st to 7th, and 11th is a work day
[14:27] <happyaron> seb128: will have a look at the bug tomorrow then (11th)
[14:27] <seb128> happyaron, hey, ok, thanks ;-)
[14:27] <happyaron> :)
[14:27] <seb128> saturday is a work day?
[14:27] <seb128> China is weird!
[14:28] <happyaron> seb128: 1st to 7th is national day holidays, and one day is "taken" from this Sat
[14:28] <seb128> I see
[14:28] <seb128> that way you get a whole week off
[14:28] <seb128> I guess it makes sense ;-)
[14:28] <happyaron> yes
[14:28] <happyaron> that's coordinated national wide, not a personal decision, though
[14:29] <seb128> right, I understood that ;-)
[14:29] <happyaron> great
[14:29] <seb128> otherwise I wouldn't have say that China is weird :p
[14:29] <happyaron> haha
[14:30] <Sweet5hark> seb128: legally Saturday is a workday even in germany. Otherwise, us germans would have a higher minimum legal vacation limit ...
[14:30] <seb128> Sweet5hark, well, it's a work day but your contract doesn't make you work on saturdays ;-)
[14:31] <seb128> same in France I guess
[14:31] <seb128> only sunday has special rules
[14:31] <seb128> like people being paid more if they work on sunday, and work is allowed only in special cases
[14:31] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, something like that.
[14:39]  * Sweet5hark high-fives Sweetshark
[14:59] <Sweetshark> seb128: thanks to mterry at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libixion/+bug/1349859/comments/6 -- uploading https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/ixion-buildflags should do, unless there is violent opposition.
[15:00] <seb128> Sweetshark, nice
[16:14] <seb128> dpm, pitti, pkgbinarymangler can import pot from paths that are not po/domain.pot right? in which case we just need to tweak the "path" info on the launchpad template page, right?
[16:16] <dpm> seb128, afaik, anything that's a .pot file, regardless of the path, is imported. In theory, the path in LP should already be correct when it's imported, even if it's not in po/
[16:17] <seb128> k, great, thanks
[16:21] <seb128> dpm, just for info https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/content-hub/update-translations-template/+merge/238003
[16:21] <seb128> dpm, I'm making content-hub show as translated, in case you cross it/get it mentioned
[16:21] <seb128> so you don't dup work debugging it
[16:22] <dpm> seb128, ah, thanks for the heads up
[16:22]  * dpm looks at MP
[16:22] <seb128> yw!
[16:22] <seb128> the POTFILES.in change is not useful
[16:22] <seb128> I had to change the dh_translations call, intltool-update doesn't work on qml files
[16:23] <seb128> that's for the template part
[16:23] <seb128> then we had the issue that the content-hub is an ui imported by the client app (e.g settings)
[16:23] <seb128> so the domain used was the one from the application
[16:23] <seb128> not finding the strings
[16:23] <seb128> that makes it use dtr() and the correct domain
[16:24] <dpm> ah, well done figuring out the domain issue
[16:25] <seb128> thanks :-)
[16:26] <seb128> good that I actually downloaded an updated mo from launchpad to test if the translations were used
[16:26] <seb128> until now I though it was just missing strings
[16:26] <seb128> well, anyway, put a landing up for that, so hopefully it's resolved next week
[16:26] <seb128> dpm, it's building in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-010 if you fancy testing it later
[16:27] <dpm> ok, cool. We need to generate a langpack next week, as there's been lots of translation fixes and new templates added
[16:27] <seb128> (you need an updated .mo, the current langpack one only has 4 strings because of the intltool-update not picking qml sources issues)
[16:27] <seb128> dpm, we had a langpack update today in image 94
[16:27] <seb128> that includes content-hub, but incomplete due to ^
[16:28] <dpm> ah, cool, I've not checked that out yet, just upgraded to the latest mako rtm image, which should probably have it too
[16:28] <dpm> seb128, I'll try to give it a go later on. I want to test some Reminders new feature first
[16:29] <dpm> ah, yeah, I can already see new strings translated with the langpack :)
[16:30] <seb128> :-)
[16:30] <seb128> well of course there are new issues due to the indicators renames :-/
[16:50] <seb128> calling it a week, have a nice w.e everyone
[16:57]  * willcooke EOD - happy weekend all
[22:53] <ochosi> xnox: sorry to bother you time and time again, but as the final release is slowly creeping up, is there anything we can do to help debugging the ubiquity black background bug in xubuntu?


[08:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Peach Ice Cream Day! :-D
[08:30] <mzanetti> nik90: btw: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-40275
[09:07] <nik90> mzanetti: thnx. That screenshot does indeed says a thousand words
[09:33] <nik90> zbenjamin: Good Morning, got a minute?
[10:37] <brendand> dpm, hello
[11:02] <t1mp> nik90: hello
[11:02] <nik90> t1mp: hey
[11:02] <t1mp> nik90: I have a first version of the header sections here https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/140-headerSections/+merge/227171
[11:03] <t1mp> nik90: so if you like you can test it already :)
[11:03] <dpm> hi brendand
[11:03] <nik90> t1mp: sweet.. quite simple as head.sections..awesome!
[11:05] <nik90> t1mp: quick question, is it possible to animate the transition between the different sections?
[11:06] <nik90> t1mp: not sure if you tried the app Project-Dashboard, but something similar
[11:06] <brendand> dpm, you worked on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-filemanager-dev/ubuntu-filemanager-app/trunk/revision/213, right?
[11:07] <dpm> yes
[11:08] <brendand> dpm, the PlacesPopover component wants to use PlacesModel.objectName as the objectName of the list item, but it doesn't have any such property
[11:08] <brendand> dpm, so the places tests are failing in CI
[11:10] <dpm> brendand, not sure I follow the objectName part. Could you show me the logs of the failing tests? And why are they failing now but not when the MP was submitted?
[11:11] <brendand> dpm, here's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1342336
[11:12] <brendand> dpm, that's what i'm wondering too
[11:12] <t1mp> nik90: I didn't try that app
[11:13] <t1mp> nik90: actually I will restrict head.sections.model to a list of strings now until we know better what the sections will be used for, then it will allow a model, and a custom delegate
[11:13] <t1mp> nik90: yes it is possible to animate, but I don't think the designers have ideas for that yet
[11:14] <nik90> t1mp: yeah that's fine
[11:14] <nik90> dpm: ping
[11:15] <nik90> dpm: hey, say I have strings like "20 minutes", "30 minutes" and so on, when I use Qt.locale(), it returns them as "20,00 minutes". Should I instead just hardcode those numbers while keeping the "minutes" string translatable?
[11:17] <brendand> dpm, the links to the CI runs are broken in the merge proposal
[11:17] <t1mp> renato|afk: hi, I have the first MR for the header sections ready https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/140-headerSections/+merge/227171
[11:17] <brendand> dpm, https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/placesmodel-2/+merge/224037
[11:17] <t1mp> renat__: ^
[11:17] <t1mp> echan
[11:17] <dpm> nik90, I'd use plural forms -> i18n.tr("%1 minute", "%1 minutes", time).arg(time)
[11:17] <t1mp> ah no, correct channel :)
[11:17] <brendand> dpm, i guess jenkins doesn't keep all the builds
[11:18] <Guest12374> cros compilling SDL app creating a problem...can anybody help
[11:18] <nik90> dpm: so the translator would only see "minute" and "minutes" as translatable?
[11:21] <dpm> nik90, they'll see something like this: https://translations.launchpad.net/music-app/trunk/+pots/music-app/ca/12/+translate
[11:21] <dpm> nik90, and it will automatically show multiple plural forms for those languages using more than two. E.g. https://translations.launchpad.net/music-app/trunk/+pots/music-app/ar/12/+translate
[11:22] <nik90> dpm: sweet.thnx
[11:24] <brendand> dpm, is there someone who can work on a fix?
[11:30] <dpm> brendand, I'm looking at it now
[11:30] <brendand> dpm, thanks
[11:37] <Guest12374> can any body help me for cross-compiling the code
[11:41] <brendand> Guest12374, ubuntu-devel, not here
[11:42] <brendand> Guest12374, and don't say 'the code'. i know it's sdl you're wanting to compile but others won't
[12:28] <nik90> rpadovani: fixed the clock app license headers as you requested. https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-license-headers/+merge/227183
[13:10] <rpadovani> thanks nik90 :-)
[13:32] <Diogo> hi
[13:33] <Diogo> how do i install sync monitor ??
[13:39] <pkunal-parmar> may be try this
[13:39] <pkunal-parmar> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-syncmonitor0.1
[13:41] <Diogo> where do i add that code??
[13:44] <pkunal-parmar> like , sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-syncmonitor0.1
[13:44] <pkunal-parmar> on terminal
[13:44] <Diogo> ow ok
[13:45] <Diogo> it didnt work
[13:45] <pkunal-parmar> you are getting error ?
[13:45] <Diogo> yes
[13:45] <pkunal-parmar> what?
[13:46] <pkunal-parmar> and what ubuntu version you are using ?
[13:46] <Diogo> it whasnt ablte to find qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-syncmonitor0.1
[13:46] <Diogo> 14.04
[13:46] <pkunal-parmar> ahh,
[13:46] <pkunal-parmar> may be package is not available on 14.04
[13:47] <Diogo> that version do you use??
[13:47] <pkunal-parmar> I am able to install it on 14.10
[13:48] <Diogo> just a lil question, do app developers need to use always a version a head of others??
[13:48] <Diogo> because as i saw these days many other developers are using 14.10 but i just dont know why
[13:49] <pkunal-parmar> yes, may of app developers use beta version of ubuntu
[13:50] <pkunal-parmar> some packages are not backported quickly and we need those to add features
[13:50] <pkunal-parmar> so we use latest ubuntu version for app development
[13:51] <karni> Tricky question incoming -- can I change the background of the new Header? (not head.contents, ALL of the header)
[13:51] <karni> If you ask why, let's say branding involved.
[13:52] <Diogo> pkunal im a noob app developer that just finished his first app do you thing that for me it would be good to use the beta version do develope more apps??
[13:52] <karni> Diogo: the fact is you might be able to develop on 14.04, but your test/run environment must be either emulator or phone, if you use any of the 14.10 sdk features.
[13:53] <karni> Diogo: If you're just starting, there's no need to upgrade to utopic. Even though it's stable for me, I would suggest if you wanted the "latest and greatest". You can still learn a lot with 14.04.
[13:54] <karni> nik90: perhaps you would know :D? Tricky question incoming -- can I change the background of the new Header? (not head.contents, ALL of the header)
[13:55] <pkunal-parmar> Diogo, what karni says is correct, if you dont need to use latest version, if you use emulator
[13:55] <Diogo> i tryed to use emlator but after 5h it didnt work
[13:55] <nik90> karni: I dont think so. However the SDK devs are planning to add support for hiding the header. So may be once that lands, you could hide the SDK header and implement one yourself in the page
[13:56] <nik90> t1mp: do you think this is the right approach for that? ^^
[13:56] <karni> nik90: I see. Alternatively, not use the phone PageStack/Page component alltogether. QML is rather flexible.
[13:56] <nik90> karni: yes, but you lose out on a lot of features
[13:56] <pkunal-parmar> Diogo, I am not sure if syncmonitor has ppa for trusty, but if its there then you can add it, do you need to use any other such feature ?
[13:57] <Diogo> and i asked how i could install the dyncmonitor because i download the callander app to see how it works
[13:57] <karni> nik90: I'd prefer to be able to change the background, rather than roll yet another own component :)
[13:57] <karni> nik90: thanks for feedback
[13:58] <pkunal-parmar> Diogo, for to use calendar, i would recommend to use 14.10
[13:58] <pkunal-parmar> its hard to get it working on 14.04
[13:58] <nik90> Diogo: here is the thing, you can stick with 14.04 and do your development, but you can test it by running it in the emulator.
[13:58] <nik90> Diogo: this way you keep 14.04, while running your development code on the latest phone image using the emulator.
[13:58] <karni> nik90: Yes, I told him exactly just that ^_^
[13:59] <karni> he didn't have luck with the emulator, though
[13:59] <karni> anyways, /me back to code
[13:59] <Diogo> nike90: i tryed to run the emulator but after trying 5h to just enter the emulator i haved up
[13:59] <karni> Diogo: nvidia graphics you got there? I had no luck with the emulator.
[13:59] <nik90> Diogo: ah okay, didn't read the backlog fully
[13:59] <t1mp> kalikiana: https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/panelHeight/+merge/225493 is ready for another review
[13:59] <t1mp> nik90: let me read back
[13:59] <nik90> Diogo, karni: I am running it on Nvidia
[13:59] <Diogo> i dont have any graphics card on my laptop and pc
[14:00] <karni> nik90: noveau drivers?
[14:00] <nik90> karni: no proprietary
[14:00] <nik90> karni: need proprietary for gaming :)
[14:00] <karni> nik90: perhaps that's the difference, no worky with noveau
[14:00] <karni> hehe :)
[14:00] <nik90> :D
[14:00] <Diogo> only intel grapthics
[14:00] <nik90> Diogo: I would expect it to work with intel as well. I have a Intel+Nvidia system.
[14:01] <nik90> Diogo: but anyways, if not the emulator, then yes you would need 14.10
[14:01] <t1mp> karni: nik90 was completely right. There is a MainView.backgroundColor which also changes the background of the header, but it is not possible yet to change the background of the header only
[14:01] <karni> t1mp: wohoo \o/ !!
[14:01] <pkunal-parmar> Diogo, may be just use virtual machine
[14:02] <nik90> Diogo: +1 to what pkunal-parmar said
[14:02] <Diogo> my laptop has an celeron M 530 and 3gb of ram
[14:02] <nik90> Diogo: ah :/ then you wouldn't have a pleasant experience
[14:02] <t1mp> karni: are you happy that you cannot set the background color for header only? Or is there a misunderstanding?
[14:03] <t1mp> karni: nik90 was also right that this feature is planned to be added
[14:03] <karni> t1mp: I don't care :D haha, I needed the header *and* background white anyway haha
[14:03] <karni> t1mp: thanks!!
[14:03] <nik90> Diogo: but may I ask what are you developing?
[14:03] <t1mp> karni: okay, then better use the MainView background :D
[14:03] <karni> haha yes
[14:03] <Diogo> i finished an energy payment calculator
[14:03] <t1mp> I think in general the apps look prettier when the header and main background are the same color
[14:04] <nik90> Diogo: because say you are targetting the stable ubuntu touch phones which come out, then you will be developing against the stable development framework which should be available in the stable ubuntu release.
[14:04] <karni> t1mp: usually, yes
[14:04] <nik90> Diogo: so for instance, when 14.10 framework is stable, it will be available with 14.10 when it is released. But when that happens, the 15.04 development framework will be released.
[14:05] <Diogo> then i need to move to 15.04
[14:05] <nik90> Diogo: if you want to use 15.04 development framework, yes
[14:05] <nik90> Diogo: but that's the thing though, the phones which will be out, will still be using the 14.10 framework. So your user base won't require that
[14:06] <Diogo> nike90:  if not keeping use the 14.10
[14:06] <Diogo> yea your right
[14:07] <nik90> Diogo: yes. You just have to make sure when 14.10 is deprecated though. But I am sure there will be a grace period for taht
[14:07] <nik90> that*
[14:08] <Diogo> nike90: until 15.04 comes out
[14:08] <Diogo> nike90: is 14.10 stable??
[14:08] <pkunal-parmar> Diogo, i used it, have not faced any issue yet
[14:10] <Diogo> ok, i think i'll upgrade my system today
[14:11] <Diogo> pkunal-parmar :  how do i do it in 14.04
[14:11] <pkunal-parmar> try update-manager -d
[14:13] <nik90> Diogo: I run in a VM and it seems stable.
[14:15] <Diogo> my laptop cant handel that
[14:16] <pkunal-parmar> Diogo, how about dual boot ?
[14:16] <Diogo> so im going to clean up first the laptop, then try to update to utopic
[14:16] <pkunal-parmar> may be a small partition for 14.10
[14:16] <Diogo> can be to
[14:16] <Diogo> yea
[14:17] <Diogo> is utopic avaliable on the site??
[14:17] <karni> Diogo: just google 'ubuntu download 14.10' :) first link most probably
[14:19] <Diogo> ok thnx guys :)
[14:23] <Guest71295> hi, I am in the process of porting 32bit Litte Endian PowerPC.  Is this right place to ask?
[14:24] <karni> Guest71295: #ubuntu-devel probably
[14:24] <karni> Guest71295: unless you're porting an app
[14:26] <Guest71295> Well, I am not building app instead I am trying to build ubuntu 14.04 powerpcle version, and I just finished powerpcle based cross compiler (binutils, glibc, gcc, linux header)
[14:28] <Guest71295> I am about to begin to build rootfs (ubuntu-core, or whichever appropriate) but I architecture name is not defined in debian, so
[14:29] <karni> Guest71295: try #ubuntu-devel, I'm sorry this is not the appropriate channel for your question
[14:29] <Guest71295> I am kind of stuck to proceed further.
[14:29] <Guest71295> Oh.. sorry. Do you recommend appropriate channel if you know?
[14:30] <Guest71295> Thank you !! karmi!
[14:30] <karni> Guest71295: you are most welcome. try #ubuntu-devel
[14:45] <balloons> nik90, so for https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/switch-emulators-to-proxy-object/+merge/227103, shall we just call custom_proxy_objects.py, helpers.py?
[14:53] <mihir> popey: ping !!!
[14:53] <mihir> popey: sorry missed the meeting
[14:56] <karni> anyone figured out sharing a qmlscene'run app via Google Hangout screenshare? (other than sharing the whole screen)
[15:06] <popey> mihir: no worries, things are moving forwards ☻
[15:14] <mihir> popey: glad, thanks for approvals for MR
[15:14] <popey> happy times!
[15:14] <mihir> popey: any major updates?
[15:14] <popey> mihir: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2014/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2014-07-17-13.01.moin.txt :D
[15:21] <nik90> balloons: yeah, if you are happy with it
[15:22] <balloons> nik90, kk, I'll do the rename
[16:27] <balloons> dpm or popey, can one of you review https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/reminders-app/autopkgtest/+merge/226894?
[16:28] <balloons> I'd like to get reminders in the image, and this should help make it possible. I haven't heard back 100% positive from fginther that running with autopkgtest will work for reminders, but I think it's our best option
[16:32] <dpm> balloons, reminders is in the image already, just not on the dashboard. This is something that I got confused with earlier in the week too
[16:33] <balloons> dpm, yes yes :-) It made the first step a few days ago.. but it should be on the dashboard :-)
[16:34] <dpm> balloons, I'd love to help with that MP, but I really don't know a thing about autopkgtest, and the only review I could do would be on syntax, as per the previous comment on it
[16:34] <popey> indeed :|
[16:37] <balloons> thanks guys.. I'll get someone else to have a peek. I was hoping to get one of you to try running tests this way.. *cough* popey *cough*
[16:37] <popey> nice try
[17:16] <fginther> balloons, I'm still working on that, just fighting through too many other interruptions. I think adt-run is the best option.
[18:11] <ahayzen> t1mp, thanks for working on that panelHeight fix :) ... regarding the searching issue do you need anymore from me or have you figured out if it is an issue in the sdk?
[18:25] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes I was working on some other stuff first, but the panelHeight MR is ready now to be reviewed
[18:25] <t1mp> kalikiana: ^ fyi :) https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/panelHeight/+merge/225493
[18:26] <ahayzen> t1mp, cool thanks, let me know if you need me todo anything else with the searching :)
[18:26] <t1mp> ahayzen: for the searching it looks like you put all the information needed there
[18:26] <ahayzen> \o/
[18:27] <t1mp> ahayzen: okay. I will get to the bug, but it is only one of many on my list unfortunately https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bugs?search=Search&field.assignee=tpeeters
[18:28] <t1mp> I'll make it critical though
[18:29] <ahayzen> t1mp, no worries...but it is blocking us from landing the search support... would there be any particular files i could investigate over if i decided to try and fix the issue? or is it best just to wait for u to get round to it as you know that component inside out?
[18:30] <ahayzen> hah bug 1223050 is probably what causes some of our craziness in the now playing page
[18:31] <t1mp> ahayzen: PageHeadStyle.qml (there are two, the bigger one is the more interesting one) probably, and maybe PageHeadConfiguration.qml and MainView.qml
[18:31] <t1mp> ahayzen: if you decide to try some debugging please comment your findings on the bug report and feel free to ask me any questions
[18:32] <ahayzen> t1mp, ok i may take a look if i get stuck playing about with bottom edge and other things in the music-app :)
[18:32] <t1mp> ahayzen: can you add the music app to that positionViewAtIndex bug?
[18:33] <ahayzen> t1mp, i'm only assuming it is causing the issue for us as when you bring up the toolbar we jump to the current track in the queue using positionViewAtIndex()...and IIRC the header sometimes does overlap
[18:33] <ahayzen> but yeah i'll add us in and leave a comment
[18:33] <t1mp> ok, thanks
[18:35] <ahayzen> t1mp, cool thanks for ur help as usual i'll leave the comment after dinner :)
[18:37] <t1mp> np, enjoy your meal :)
[18:37] <balloons> nik90, about?
[18:54] <avoine> Hi there,
[18:54] <avoine> is it possible to launch an app with uri-dispatcher and using arguments? To do something like: application:///note-app.desktop#file=my_file.txt
[18:57] <avoine> or I could just use  upstart-app-launch directly
[19:10] <nik90> balloons: pong (was having dinner)
[19:22] <balloons> nik90, hey, so I was digging into clock AP tests.. can't remember what I was going to ask now heh
[19:22] <balloons> ohh, this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1272337
[19:23] <nik90>  balloons it is still a bug :/
[19:23] <nik90> balloons: it is a loop issue which I need to discuss with zsombor when he gets back
[19:26] <balloons> kk
[20:55] <ahayzen> kenvandine, ping
[21:22] <kenvandine> ahayzen, pong
[21:22] <ahayzen> kenvandine, what format should the directory be for the move() method?
[21:22] <kenvandine> a string, full path
[21:23] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i'm currently giving it... ~/Music/Imported
[21:23] <ahayzen> ah
[21:23] <kenvandine> i don't think ~ will work
[21:23] <ahayzen> kenvandine, so will i need a file:// infront as well?
[21:23] <kenvandine> nope
[21:23] <ahayzen> ok so /home/phablet/Music/Imported should work
[21:24] <kenvandine> humm... now it makes me wonder if there is a way to get QStandardPaths in qml
[21:24] <ahayzen> kenvandine, are we supposed to assume /home/phablet or is there a qml method i can call to convert ~/Music
[21:24] <ahayzen> hah
[21:24] <kenvandine>  /home/phablet is ugly...
[21:24] <ahayzen> yeah and not good if we ever have multi user (eg tablet)
[21:25] <kenvandine> but not sure there is a standard way to get that in qml
[21:25] <kenvandine> what does filemanager-app do?
[21:25] <ahayzen> we have Qt.resolvedUrl() maybe now i've fixed a few things tht'll work
[21:25] <ahayzen> (but that does add file://)
[21:25] <kenvandine> i think file:/// will be ok
[21:26] <kenvandine> but not required
[21:26] <ahayzen> ok
[21:26]  * ahayzen thinks the filemanager app is c++ and qml
[21:28] <t1mp> ahayzen, kenvandine is $HOME set on device? you can get env variables
[21:28] <kenvandine> oh you can?
[21:28] <t1mp> in cpp at least
[21:28] <kenvandine> ah
[21:28] <kenvandine> he needs it from qml
[21:28] <ahayzen> echo $HOME works...but yeah i need it in QML
[21:28] <t1mp> you can expose it I guess
[21:29] <kenvandine> QStandardPaths via qml would rock :)
[21:29] <ahayzen> +1
[21:29] <kenvandine> or i can make my bindings deal with ~/
[21:29] <kenvandine> :-D
[21:29] <t1mp> in UITK source, check i18n.cpp, setDomain() function
[21:29] <kenvandine> ahayzen, did you try the ~/Music ?
[21:30] <ahayzen> it was ~/Music...
[21:30] <kenvandine> ahayzen, and did that fail?
[21:30] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i got 'Failed to move content to: "file://~/Music/Imported/Thu Jul 17 22:02:36 2014 GMT+0100-3.mp3"'
[21:30] <t1mp> yeah you'd need to make it a cpp plugin for qml just to get the homedir
[21:30] <ahayzen> ah that was the one with the file:// hang on
[21:30] <ahayzen> 'Failed to move content to: "~/Music/Imported/Thu Jul 17 21:54:54 2014 GMT+0100-3.mp3"'
[21:30] <kenvandine> ahayzen, ok, makes sense
[21:30] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i assume it creates the dirs if they don't exist?
[21:30] <kenvandine> i can just make the content-hub api handle that case
[21:31] <kenvandine> ahayzen, it does
[21:31] <kenvandine> t1mp, i'd rather just make the content-hub bindings handle the use case :)
[21:31] <ahayzen> kenvandine, unless i copy the /home/$USER/ from the incoming filepath?
[21:31] <kenvandine> ahayzen, you could
[21:31] <ahayzen> as this path is known to the app? file:///home/phablet/.cache/com.ubuntu.music/HubIncoming/7/3.mp3
[21:32] <ahayzen> i'll check that hard coding it to /home/phablet works first though :)
[21:32] <kenvandine> ahayzen, you can check to see if home matches the first position of the path, and if it does take the 1st and 2nd positions
[21:33] <ahayzen> kenvandine, yep :) i'll try that after checking that hard coding it actually moves the file and nothing else isn't causing it to fail :)
[21:33] <t1mp> kalikiana: yes that makes more sense :)
[21:34] <jdstrand> beuno: hey, did you start working on bug #1342571? shall I?
[21:37] <ahayzen> kenvandine, ok hardcoding is working, so i'll extract the $HOME from the incoming filepath...thanks for your help :)
[21:38] <kenvandine> ahayzen, no problem
[22:26] <beuno> jdstrand, I didn't, sorry


[07:44] <handsome_feng> lanyue_: qt5-ukui-platformtheme uploaded and waiting for release team to accept it.
[07:45] <lanyue_> rager, thx