[06:57] <CcxCZ> is bzr-externals still the thing to manage related branches? or is there something nicer I'm not aware of?
[23:17] <MarkyC> Hey, I'm a gitter. I'd like to contribute to lp:scratch. I've done bzr branch lp:scratch and made some changes (haven't committed them yet)
[23:18] <MarkyC> I'd like to move my changes to a branch bugfix-1080904 and push them to my launchpad repo so I can make a merge request. Can someone assist me with this?
[23:19] <fullermd> What you call the branch on LP and what you call it locally don't have any necessary relation.  So the simplest thing is just commit and push.
[23:20] <MarkyC> I feel like if I push it may think I'm trying to push into "master" (or the bzr equivalent)
[23:21] <fullermd> Well, remember, in bzr the thing you're push'ing around (and branch'ing initially) isn't a "repo" with branches in it, it's a single branch.
[23:21] <fullermd> It doesn't have any "name", apart from the URL or path or whatever access schemata.
[23:22] <MarkyC> forgive me; before today, I've only heard of bzr, but never actually worked with it
[23:22] <fullermd> Hey, if it weren't for people in that situation, I'd have nothing to do here   ;)
[23:23] <fullermd> If you were doing long-term ongoing stuff, there are alternate workspace/etc setups you'd want to investigate.
[23:23] <MarkyC> I see on this page ( https://code.launchpad.net/~elementary-apps/scratch/scratch/+activereviews ) the other committers all have branches beginning with their names then scratch (the project I'm committing to), then their "feature branch name", so if I just add, commit, and push, I'll have something similar?
[23:24] <fullermd> But for a oneoff, "bzr branch lp:whatever ; <hack> ; bzr push lp:~/whatever/bugfix-12345" or the like works fine.
[23:24] <fullermd> Yeah, the LP scheme is something like <user>/<project>/<branch>; it uses that internally to tie stuff together.
[23:24] <fullermd> (technically a LP thing, not a bzr thing)
[23:25] <fullermd> I _think_ LP properly expands bare "~" to "~you"; if not you might have to spell out your username there.
[23:26] <MarkyC> fullermd: I see, thank you. One more question though: does bzr commit (without the -m flag) open up a vim editor for me to write my commit message in?
[23:26] <fullermd> Should pop up $EDITOR like most other programs, yeah.
[23:26] <fullermd> Or $VISUAL, etc.


[19:29] <gb\> i figure if i'm looking to install and failover 2 identical ubuntu installations, where else do i come ask?
[19:30] <gb\> ikonia you shoud know a lot about where i am with my problem
[19:30] <ikonia> gb\: only what you've posted into the channel
[19:30] <gb\> because I am considering going with 16LTS 32 bit until this 32 bit thing gets worked out as per NACC
[19:30] <gb\> thats where the conversation ended
[19:30] <gb\> perhaps you weren't paying attention?
[19:30] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: all the steps have been done. no errors to report. what's the next thing to do? reboot?
[19:30] <gb\> at that point you questioned what this had to do with #ubuntu
[19:31] <Nebi> ioria, well I did not install nvidia drivers like last time. But I was trying to install programs that are linked to graphics. Caffe, opencv and so on
[19:31] <gb\> my last question is where I can look up developments about 18.04 actually supporting 32 bit
[19:31] <ikonia> 18:58 < gb\> hey guys, i think i am going to go with debian 32 bit
[19:31] <gb\> that was at 18:58
[19:31] <gb\> quit trolling
[19:31] <gb\> with all due respect
[19:31] <gb\> thanks anyway
[19:31] <Nebi> ioria, last linkes of x.org.0: some unloadmodules; then NVIDIA(GPU-o= deleting GPU-0, then server terminated swuccessfully
[19:31] <ikonia> gb\: no-one is trolling, your last statement was you're thinking of going with debian
[19:31] <oerheks> gb\, so what is your issue really? install 16.04 lts 32 bit then?
[19:32] <ikonia> and at that point I asked what this has to do with ubuntu any more
[19:32] <gb\> oerheks - not sure where to go from here
[19:32] <ikonia> and why you're considering putting 32bit on 64bit compute resource for "compatibility" I don't understand
[19:32] <gb\> because iwant two identical machines i can fail over
[19:32] <Nebi> ioria, /var/log/dmesg : only says: (NOthing has been logged yet)
[19:32] <ikonia> gb\: what are you using for a "fail over" approach
[19:32] <ikonia> technology wise
[19:32] <ioria> Nebi,  grasping at straws
[19:32] <gb\> no sure yet
[19:32] <gb\> it could be me turning one off and turning the other on
[19:33] <ikonia> so then how do you konw you need two identical machines
[19:33] <Nebi> ioria, Im sorry :(
[19:33] <gb\> that's why i am here having the conversatoin
[19:33] <gb\> do you understand now?
[19:33] <icee> gb\: IMO it's pretty dumb to deploy 32 bit x86 today
[19:33] <gb\> yeah but the hardawre i have is the hardware i have
[19:33] <icee> gb\: i understand the desire to make some old machine in the closet work or whatever
[19:33] <oerheks> 2 identical machines now, so what would be the problem ?? >> <gb\> rip out the 64 bit CPU from this machine <gb\> stick identical CPUs in both
[19:33] <ikonia> gb\: I understood before, hence why I asked what this had to do with ubuntu when you stated you wanted to use debian 32bit
[19:33] <ikonia> gb\: you don't need identical hardware
[19:34] <ikonia> gb\: what are the services these machines host ?
[19:34] <gb\> samba and openvpn
[19:34] <gb\> would the underlying libraries be different fo each OS
[19:34] <ioria> Nebi,  the last thing you did ?
[19:34] <gb\> like it is going to grab the x64 .. .stuff.. from apt-get ?
[19:34] <ikonia> it's fine if one is 32bit and one is 64bit
[19:35] <ikonia> gb\: it sounds like you actually just want a warm standby
[19:35] <gb\> all the .conf files will be the same etc?
[19:35] <icee> gb\: you can install 32 bit userland stuff with :i386 or whatever
[19:35] <gb\> yes, warm standby
[19:35] <gb\> that sounds nice
[19:35] <ikonia> gb\: so you need 2 machines running, and you need to sync the appropriate data betwen them
[19:35] <Nebi> I was tryingf to install a machien learning software that uses opencv, caffe and others. Until now these weeks my gpu with uda was working and I also could install opencv. This software today gave me some headachs the whole day. I tried compiling it and had several errors. Step yb step I got further. FOr example by adding a -pthread flag to compiling. Later by upgrading my gcc and g++ to version 8.
[19:35] <gb\> yeah
[19:35] <ikonia> one can be 64 bit the other 32 bit, no problem
[19:35] <gb\> but no 32 bit 18.04 LTS
[19:35] <Nebi> ioria, before the freeze I tried this lib problem
[19:35] <gb\> :(
[19:35] <ikonia> samba, will just be the data needs syncing, openvpn will need the certificates
[19:35] <ioria> Nebi,  details, please
[19:35] <Nebi> ioria, i made rm -rf libname
[19:36] <icee> gb\: the world's moved on from x86-32, maybe stick with 16.04 LTS or another dist or whatever.
[19:36] <ioria> Nebi,  what libs ?
[19:36] <gb\> yeah thts where im like.. debian?
[19:36] <gb\> but then someone said they are looking at doing 32 bit 18.04
[19:36] <icee> gb\: it's unreasonable for everyone else to do a bunch of work supporting something ancient
[19:36] <ioria> Nebi,  you should know you cannot rm lib random
[19:36] <ikonia> no-one is looking at doing 32bit
[19:36] <Nebi> ioria, rm -rf libprotobuf
[19:36] <Nebi> ioria, rm -rf libprotobuf*
[19:36] <gb\> fair enough, i get that
[19:36] <Nebi> ioria in /usr/lib/
[19:37] <Nebi> ioria, yes because I was trying to kill the old version
[19:37] <gb\> just figured the whole linux thing was about breathing new life into capable hardware now that everything is bloated
[19:37] <ioria> Nebi,  i made you reinstall those
[19:37] <ikonia> nothing is "bloated"
[19:37] <leftyfb> gb\: that's not the "whole linux thing"
[19:37] <Nebi> ioria, maybe vbecause I upgraded gcc and g++ to 8?
[19:37] <gb\> welp ur moving on from my hardware, i get it
[19:37] <gb\> thanks guys
[19:37] <Nebi> ioria, before the crash I downgraded it again
[19:38] <leftyfb> gb\: you don't need to put 32bit on the 64bit machine
[19:38] <Nebi> ioria, in the sense that I selectred lower version
[19:38] <gb\> leftyfb - but what do i put on the 32 bit machine?
[19:38] <leftyfb> gb\: you're only mirroring 2 services configs across 2 machines
[19:38] <Nebi> ioria, when i hit gcc --version it says 5.4 - because one of the problems I had then suddendly said that version 8 was too much
[19:38] <Budgii> Exterminador, I brought that computer home from work just now and connected to fiber optics. The hard drive is a lot faster and the VM is running good now!
[19:38] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: something knocked my router dowm .. current status on your end ?"
[19:38] <Nebi> ioria, so OK I put it down again to the previous one which was 5.4
[19:38] <icee> gb\: any reason to not run 16.04?
[19:38] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: that kind of solved my problem. I have a different issue now. I'm trying to upload a photo of the computer screen now
[19:38] <leftyfb> gb\: Do you need this "failover" because you fear old hardware dying?
[19:38] <gb\> nope i just.. see that 18 is current.. and i am not sure how long 16 will be supported for?
[19:39] <ioria> Nebi,  Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.9
[19:39] <leftyfb> gb\: April 2021
[19:39] <gb\> leftyfb - i'd like to be able to reboot and work on one while the other serves
[19:39] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: now it looks like this: https://imgur.com/YI9QkJF
[19:39] <gb\> oh thats plenty of time then
[19:39] <ioria> Nebi,  ?
[19:39] <leftyfb> gb\: sounds like you don't need failover, you just need a machine to play with
[19:39] <Nebi> ioria, Ubuntu 4.4.0-124-generic 16.04
[19:39] <icee> gb\: i wouldn't deploy 18.04 in production yet anyways, usually you wait for the first maintenance release (18.04.1)
[19:39] <gb\> yeah i need to be able to take 4 hours to image one, or run database maintenance, etc..
[19:40] <leftyfb> gb\: if you need failover, might I suggest something like running your services in docker
[19:40] <gb\> i will write this down
[19:40] <leftyfb> gb\: or LXD images
[19:40] <gb\> thank you
[19:40] <leftyfb> they could be on the same machine
[19:40] <sasho199> Can someone help with checking which is the active video card from the terminal?
[19:40] <gb\> i saw LVM images
[19:40] <leftyfb> that's not the same thing
[19:40] <gb\> LVM shoudl make it faster to ghost the drives
[19:40] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: any idea why the Nouveau drivers don't work with me?
[19:40] <ioria> Nebi,  the gcc --version
[19:40] <gb\> right now im using clonezilla and it takes forever
[19:40] <gb\> esp testing the restores etc
[19:41] <Nebi> ioria, as when the last crash occured: I stopped upgrading because it seems to freeze it too
[19:41] <ioria> Nebi,   gcc --version
[19:41] <gb\> i do daily diff backup but my once a month imaging is bringing down the file server for too long
[19:41] <leftyfb> gb\: Again, I think you should look into docker or LXD. Creating GB's of images is a really silly way of backing up live servers
[19:41] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: that could still be the grahic's driver ( or hardware ) . ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' .
[19:41] <Nebi> ioria, ahh sorry yes Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.9
[19:41] <gb\> leftyfb - wrote em down
[19:41] <gb\> will do some googling
[19:41] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: just a sec pls
[19:41] <gb\> i like the idea of floating servicse that run wherever
[19:42] <gb\> i think i am gonig about this the wrong way
[19:42] <gb\> thanks again all
[19:42] <leftyfb> gb\: basically, your host should be pretty vanilla and irrelevant and just be able to run the docker or lxd image or the like .... then you don't need multiple machines, of you if you do, it doesn't matter what they're running for a distro as long as it supports what I've mentioned
[19:43] <leftyfb> gb\: that said, none of this is going to work great or at all on a 32bit machine
[19:43] <ioria> Nebi,   grep cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:43] <Exterminador> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WJS6VpTRZ2/
[19:43] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: reading.
[19:44] <leftyfb> gb\: if money is tight, might I suggest a Raspberry Pi. That way your backups are an 8GB SD card
[19:44] <Budgii> Exterminador, just trolling :)
[19:44] <Nebi> ioria, deb cdrom: Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS _Xenial Xerus_ - Release amd64 (20170215.2)] / xenial main restricted
[19:44] <SlidingHorn> sasho199:    inxi -Fz | pastebinit
[19:44] <ioria> Nebi,  and your kernel is 4.4 ?
[19:44] <Nebi> ioria, yes
[19:45] <ioria> Nebi,  you should be already on 4.13 , but it's another issue
[19:46] <Nebi> ioria, but when I upgraded it froze, so I stopped
[19:46] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: System sees no faults there in the log file . this is 18.04 ? what DE  ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' ?
[19:46] <ioria> Nebi,  if you cannot login in console , you need to boot a livecd, so you can paste logs
[19:46] <oerheks> Exterminador, i have the same laptop, runs fine with nouveau
[19:47] <oerheks> 3758G
[19:48] <ioria> Nebi,  and stick with the repos pkgs
[19:48] <Exterminador> oerheks: why the heck mine doesn't? any idea? :x
[19:48] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: I ran it without the pastebinit because I dont have it, but on graphics cards I am gettings both
[19:49] <Exterminador>  Bashing-om: that outputs an empty line
[19:49] <SlidingHorn> sasho199: what version and flavor OS are you running?
[19:50] <Nebi> ioria, ok means I have to create a bootable usb I guess
[19:50] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: I think I found the answer
[19:50] <oerheks> Exterminador, curious indeed, there is no option to set intel/nvidia in the bios
[19:50] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: Thanks for your responce
[19:51] <ioria> Nebi,  i'am leaving, but mount the root partition under /mnt  , cd and expore them
[19:51] <Exterminador> in the current status, the laptop freezes a lot
[19:51] <oerheks> mine freeses 5-8 sec after login, until desktop is read ( and wireless, and dropbox)
[19:51] <Nebi> ioria, what do you mean?
[19:52] <oerheks> you might want to do a memtest86 run
[19:52] <Exterminador> mine with nouveau drivers don't even shows the login screen (only the splash screen). with Nvidia, well, it has lots of stripes in the screen and keeps blinking/freezing constantly
[19:52] <Nebi> ioria you mean not to use a bottable usb but to copy the root partition to a usb?
[19:53] <ioria> Nebi, nope,  mount your partition in /mnt , cd /mnt/var/log, an check
[19:53] <Nebi> ioria ok ill do. thank you very much for your help
[19:53] <ioria> Nebi, no problem
[19:54] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Something is hosed in the Xserver on your system as " sysop@x1804mini:~$ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE >> x11 " in my ise case .
[19:54] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: any further ideas?
[19:54] <RonaldsMazitis> how to I increase partition size with gparted
[19:54] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[19:54] <RonaldsMazitis> it does not allow me to use unallocated space
[19:55] <leftyfb> RonaldsMazitis: step #1, don't do this from the running operating system. Use a live CD.
[19:55] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah I'm from livecd
[19:55] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: step #ß, take backups
[19:55] <tomreyn> #0
[19:55] <leftyfb> ^
[19:55] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Yeah,, lemme get it all together .
[19:56] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: do you have backups, too?
[19:56] <RonaldsMazitis> damn thing is barely moving
[19:56] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[19:56] <leftyfb> RonaldsMazitis: barely moving?
[19:56] <Exterminador> tty2 works well tho (no stripes, no blinking, nothing)
[19:56] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: what is barely moving?
[19:56] <RonaldsMazitis> gparted is slowly opening
[19:56] <leftyfb> RonaldsMazitis: I thought you said it doesn't allow you to use the unallocated space
[19:57] <RonaldsMazitis> yes
[19:57] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Konda keeps the finger pointed at the Xserver package - huh ?
[19:57] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: maybe it would be faster if you ran it from a usb key. can you show a screenshot where it doesn't let you partition the unallocated space?
[19:58] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm trying to increase partition in my virtual box
[19:58] <leftyfb> :/
[19:59] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: do you need anything from /etc/X11 to being pasted?
[19:59] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Anything we can use from ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ' .
[20:01] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: I've ran the command. no output given.
[20:02] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: maybe reboot and see if there was an efect " the-phigh flag, Using that forces it to autodetect. " .
[20:03] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: right away
[20:04] <Exterminador> what I find weird, is that the splash screen doesn't show stripes neither
[20:05] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: but they're back in the login screen
[20:05] <Exterminador> the laptop freezes for long periods of time (perhaps my graphics are completely dead?
[20:06] <RonaldsMazitis> https://ibb.co/kK6Oqd
[20:06] <RonaldsMazitis> what now
[20:07] <RonaldsMazitis> I do swapoff
[20:07] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: untill the GUI loads the system is using the system driver rather then nouveau or nvidia .
[20:07] <RonaldsMazitis> still can
[20:08] <RonaldsMazitis> 't increase partition size
[20:08] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: And my experience with nvidia card . yep will freeze if the system is not happy with the GUI driver .
[20:08] <Exterminador>  Bashing-om: any more magical ideas? or should I just reinstall 16.04 and stick with it?
[20:09] <RonaldsMazitis> leftyfb:
[20:09] <RonaldsMazitis> tomreyn: https://ibb.co/kK6Oqd
[20:10] <Exterminador>  Bashing-om: also, stupid question. the "nomodeset" doesn't interfere with booting Windows or it does? I can't boot to Windows neither (same problem I had previously with Xubuntu).
[20:10] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Oh, 16.04 is that nuclear solution .. I am more than willing to try and find out the issue in 18.04 if ya got the time and inclination to troble shoot .
[20:11] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: I installed 18.04 as beta .. and never went back to 16.04 .. as 18.04 performs much the better on my old system.
[20:11] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: just tell me what to do. ;)
[20:12] <RonaldsMazitis> https://technology.amis.nl/2017/01/30/ubuntu-vm-virtualbox-increase-size-disk-make-smaller-exports-distribution/
[20:12] <oerheks> Exterminador, such issues as stripes at login sounds like a memory issue
[20:12] <oerheks> you might want to do a memtest86 run
[20:12] <RonaldsMazitis> this article tells me I just need to deactivate partition, but there is no button to do it
[20:13] <Exterminador>  oerheks: memory as ram?
[20:13] <Exterminador> never went above 2Gb from the 4Gb available iirc
[20:13] <oerheks> Exterminador, yes, as this machine shares memory
[20:14] <oerheks> ( with GPU that is)
[20:14] <oerheks> laptop from centrino-age, i was surprised it runs ubuntu so well, incl youtube
[20:15] <SyfiMalik> package manager isn't working. is there a way to change mirrors?
[20:15] <Exterminador>  oerheks: and how do I check that?
[20:16] <oerheks> SyfiMalik, yes, type 'sources' in dash and the update tool pops up, you can change it there
[20:16] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Good boy ! I am always for the learning experience . let's 1st make sure that the package manager in not aware of any issues ' sudo dpkg -C ; sudo apt -f install ' .
[20:17] <Mavericks> hello what's the permission level 0765 represent ?
[20:17] <oerheks> Exterminador, run memtest from grubmenu or from live iso
[20:17] <RonaldsMazitis> I can't delete sda2
[20:17] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: oerheks Knows his stuff also :) .. good advice to get the ram verified .
[20:18] <SyfiMalik> --- mirrors.nayatel.com ping statistics ---
[20:18] <SyfiMalik> 6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5005ms
[20:18] <SyfiMalik> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 28.922/34.502/39.499/3.897 ms
[20:18] <oerheks> Mavericks, http://permissions-calculator.org/decode/0765/
[20:18] <RonaldsMazitis> https://askubuntu.com/questions/175174/why-cant-i-increase-the-size-of-sda1-using-gparted
[20:18] <RonaldsMazitis> anyone
[20:18] <Exterminador>  Bashing-om: dpkg -C gave no output. apt -f install says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[20:18] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[20:19] <Exterminador> I'm going to see that memtest now
[20:19] <oerheks> RonaldsMazitis, post the output of sudo fdisk -l # this shows where partitions start/end ( in blocks) ... there isn EXTENDED partition in between..
[20:20] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: All good then .. package manager is happy .
[20:21] <oerheks> as sda seems an empty disk, wipe and start over ?
[20:21] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: For the memtest- ya want at least 3 passes .. may take a while :)
[20:21] <SyfiMalik> installing from ubuntu software is okay but from terminal it doesnt work
[20:21] <Exterminador> erm. how do I do that? :x
[20:22] <RonaldsMazitis> https://ibb.co/cXFrAd
[20:23] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: from either the liveUSB or the install grub ( advanced) boot menu choose "memtest" .
[20:23] <RonaldsMazitis> there is ubuntu on sda1
[20:23] <Exterminador> I think I've disabled those memtest options with grub customizer
[20:23] <Mavericks> oerheks: thank you so much
[20:23] <RonaldsMazitis> I just can't increase space I need for updates and other stuff
[20:23] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Boot a live environment to the boot menu .
[20:26] <RonaldsMazitis> I can only create new partition, can't increase size of old
[20:26] <Bashing-om> RonaldsMazitis: Got to have the free space adjacent to what/where you are expanding .
[20:27] <RonaldsMazitis> but there is free space
[20:27] <RonaldsMazitis> unallocated 2,74 gb
[20:28] <Bashing-om> RonaldsMazitis: what is the file system on the partition that you are expanding ?
[20:29] <RonaldsMazitis> ext4
[20:30] <Exterminador> lovely! I can't even boot the live USB (black screen)
[20:33] <Exterminador> alright, I've pressed ESC key while booting, and went to test memory
[20:33] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | Exterminador
[20:34] <Bashing-om> RonaldsMazitis: Are you working from the live environment such that the target partition(s) are not mounted ?
[20:35] <RonaldsMazitis> YES
[20:35] <Bashing-om> RonaldsMazitis: try from terminal ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/390769/how-do-i-resize-partitions-using-command-line-without-using-a-gui-on-a-server .
[20:36] <RonaldsMazitis> I will just try making new virtual machine
[20:37] <Exterminador> this is the right memtest, correct: https://imgur.com/a jm3k3p8 ?
[20:37] <Exterminador> https://imgur.com/jM3k3P8
[20:38] <oerheks> Exterminador, yes, let it run untill "Pass = 1 or more"
[20:38] <Exterminador> how many times?
[20:40] <Exterminador> only 25% of the 1st test lol
[20:41] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: I do suggest 3 or more passes . takes time .
[20:41] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: the issue is that your extended area does not cover the unpartitioned space. you cannot partition that unless you increase the size of the extended area.
[20:42] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: i.e. sda2 needs to be resized first of all
[20:42] <phinxy> What is the /etc/default/console-setup config file doing, if anything?  "configuration file for setupcon"
[20:42] <Exterminador> that will take about 2h to do the 3 passes! lol
[20:43] <[itchyjunk]> hi, stupid question. https://www.tensorflow.org/install/install_linux i'm trying to follow the steps here. and i cant apt-get cuda-command-line-tools
[20:43] <[itchyjunk]> i probably need to add something to my apt so it can find these non standared stuff? thanks
[20:43] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: another option you always have with virtual machines (and physical servers alie, though there money is involed, and storage bays may be physically limited) is to just add a new disk
[20:44] <phinxy> Does /etc/vconsole.conf overrule /etc/default/console-setup?
[20:44] <RonaldsMazitis> if I will add more apce
[20:44] <RonaldsMazitis> space
[20:44] <RonaldsMazitis> will I be able to update ubuntu
[20:44] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[20:45] <RonaldsMazitis> I mean, it is living on 1 partition
[20:46] <Exterminador> Bashing-om, oerheks: while I wait I'm going to eat something. it's almost 23:00h and I haven't eat yet debugging this thing. I'll keep you both informed
[20:47] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: you can add a new storage, create a file system on it, update /etc/fstab to mount the new file system in an existing location, then move the contents of this directory on the old disk to the new disk
[20:47] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: K; I be here for a while yet this session :)
[20:47] <SlidingHorn> [itchyjunk]: the package they're trying to have you install is in nvidia-cuda-toolkit     sudo apt install nvidia-cuda-toolkit
[20:47] <can> Hello everyone, I have an issue with my computer since I reinstalled ubuntu.
[20:47] <RonaldsMazitis> I rather install everything again on new virtualbox then
[20:48] <[itchyjunk]> SlidingHorn, thanks a bunch 0/
[20:48] <Bashing-om> !details | can
[20:48] <can> I am stuck in a login loop because my home folder won't decrypt. Do you know any solution ? I did not find anything online
[20:48] <can> Sorry I thought Shift+Enter would create a new line but it sent the message
[20:50] <can> I managed to mount my home folder manually (i had a hard time but it works). But ubuntu doesn't decrypt it when I try to login, it just goes back to the login screen. I created a new user with encrypted home and its the same for that user
[20:54] <Bashing-om> can: Sorry, how encryption works is out of my experience range .
[20:54] <can> Bashing-om: no problem
[21:00] <Nebi> ok that seems serious: WHen I put a recovery usb with ubuntuon it, my pc also freezes
[21:03] <Bashing-om> Nebi: Can you confirm that the LiveUSB is not corrupted ?
[21:03] <Nebi> hmm ok 'nomodeset' helped
[21:04] <Nebi> Bashing-om, thanks yes it seems to be OK. WIth nomodeset it started. I'm trying now to see through my logs to see what happened today
[21:05] <Bashing-om> Nebi: :) .
[21:07] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: 1st pass done.  I'm stuck with 640*480..
[21:12] <crimson_king> Exterminador: During installation I used nomodeset and the resolution was low. But after booting into the installed system, it was back to normal
[21:13] <dunpeal> Hi there. Is there a way to specify the main user's uid during the Ubuntu installation process?
[21:13] <dunpeal> Or would I have to set it manually after install is done?
[21:13] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: sire there is a way .. but keeping "nomodeset" is not optimal, as it defeats "kernel Mode Setting" .
[21:14] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: all i need is it to work (so I can see my series in Strem.io) xD
[21:14] <crimson_king> Exterminador: Sometimes the installer will boot to a black screen, that's when nomodeset is useful. But after installed, the kernel mode setting should do its job instead
[21:16] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: what bothers me is that echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE no retun indicates a possible issue with Xorg. Xorg is the GUI !
[21:16] <Nebi-live> Hi, OK I'm in live-CD and ready to explore the logs
[21:17] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: weirdly, it works fine on recovery mode, resume (shortened steps) with nouveau drivers
[21:18] <Nebi-live> Ioria, are you still there?
[21:19] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: When ya get done with the memtest might be a good idea here too to read X's log file .
[21:20] <Exterminador> the problem of using it with the recovery mode is that I don't have video acceleration and I need it to use Strem.io
[21:21] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: nvidia-340 "should" work . find out why not :)
[21:22] <Exterminador>  Bashing-om: I don't know why, but my laptop just shutdown by itself.
[21:23] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: over heating ?
[21:23] <jmgb4> Isnt there a bios option (sometimes) to prevent auto-shutdown?
[21:24] <Exterminador> I don't think so. but can be. even tho it have worked flawlessly today in recovery mode and I've changed the thermal paste just 2 months ago
[21:24] <jmgb4> Like Bashing-om said, check the temps
[21:26] <markie^> what would i have to remove to stop my system from starting
[21:26] <markie^> so basically creating a massive error
[21:27] <matjam> thats a new one, usually people ask us to help them fix things.
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: system give any info as to the shut down ' sudo tail /var/log/syslog ' ?
[21:27] <Nebi-live> ok I think I will try to uninstall virtualbox
[21:28] <markie^> matjam yeah it's a special of situation
[21:28] <dunpeal> Is there a way to have Ubuntu not create a user besides root during the installation process?
[21:28] <Nebi-live> other than that I  am searching for a needle in the hay in the logs
[21:32] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: so, do you want to see X logs?
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Well, I can, but i will see nothing that you do not see :)
[21:33] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Are you booted normal at this time ?
[21:33] <Nebi> service
[21:33] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: yes. I've tried to boot with "nomodeset", but still stripes in the screen
[21:35] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[21:37] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/3slk
[21:37] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: reading. I be awhile :)
[21:38] <Exterminador>  Bashing-om: brb too. someone knocked my door
[21:38] <Nebi> Oh, I', right now reading a forum-article about how to fix a lightdm problem... by Bashing-om from 2014 :) You are famous :)
[21:38] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: All bets are off " ro recovery nomodeset " looking at a driver issue .
[21:46] <Nebi> OK, a very concrete question. I typed in 'lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga' and the result is a VGA comptabible controller: Inter corporation. But it does not show my GPU. Could this be a hint of why I have a freeze at boot?
[21:46] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Yukkie p ist time for me that nomdeset is set, and the nvidia driver is still loaded !! .. and then the kernel pukes " (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Deleting GPU-0 " .
[21:47] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: I think I've made a mistake
[21:47] <Exterminador> lemme see one thing
[21:48] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: sorry, but I think that I've done Xorg.0.log.old ;x
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: K .. want to see the current boot file :)
[21:50] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: That last log boot time " Time: Wed May 16 22:23:01 " .
[21:51] <two_dogs_> [   189.409] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed May 16 22:23:01 2018
[21:52] <Exterminador> then I'm gonna reboot normally. without the "nomodeset". probably better?
[21:52] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Yes, a normal boot then we see what X has to relate .
[21:53] <Exterminador> I've removed all the Xorg.0.log*
[21:53] <Exterminador> let's see what it report now
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Two_Dogs: Exterminador: something really screwy going on with Xorg .
[21:55] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/v8n2
[21:56] <laptop> problem tried os-prober, updating grub menu and boot-repair and still could not have ubuntu acknowledge windows partition what do I do
[21:58] <iulian_>  /join  #hexcellents
[21:58] <rungcc_from_home> HI GUYS!just to let you all know, I discovered what was the problem with my intel nuc giving me all sort of problems! belive it or not, it was the SSD! He was perfectly working, but for some reason, he just don't work on my pc because he isn't an HP computer! What tip me off to try to revert to my old ssd to see if this was the problem was the model number of the new ssd, he is a liteon cv1-8b256-hp
[21:58] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: I'm considering in installing Xubuntu Xenial in another partition I have just to see if the problem goes away by itself
[21:59] <rungcc_from_home> the -HP at the end is because the ssd is only compatible with hewllet packard computers! no idea why he was giving problems with usb, but the freezing systems and reboots when inside bios went away, also the addressing errors on USB also disapeared from dmesg.
[22:01] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: How handy are you ? I am running  xubuntu-core 18.04 very happily .
[22:02] <Exterminador>  Bashing-om: I'm a noob. been learning very slowly. I've some problems to retain information
[22:04] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: K. then too soon for you to go with a "make it your own " / It mau at this point be a good idea to have a dual boot . Any ideas of what would produce " (WW) Unresolved symbol: fbGetGCPrivateKey " ??
[22:05] <Bashing-om> it may at this**
[22:05] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: no idea, honestly
[22:07] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: As I keep saying .. Xorg seems inconsistent . I got no heartburn to purge and reinstall Xorg and the nvidia driver .
[22:07] <Exterminador> I can do it. just tell me how :)
[22:08] <Exterminador> apt remove --purge xorg* nvidia* ?
[22:09] <Nebi> OK, I'm asking for the last time today: maybe someone can help. I have a total freeze at the beginning of boot (when the logn screen should come). Before that issue I was doing for hours quite a lot of stuff. The last dangerous thing I did (just before the problem) was going to /usr/lib and typing rm -rf libprotobuf* with the aim of removing all the libprotobuf there. Before that I was trying to install version 3.5 of protobuf. While writing pro
[22:09] <Nebi> toc --version ti said it wqas 3.5 already. But while running a program it always said I was on 3.1. So I did different things. At the same time I also upgraded my gcc from 5.4 to 8. Maybe I did there something wrong? I also tried to compile caffe and openpose. I installed many libraries that were mentioned in some articles. Thats about it. I really dont know exactly what I did. And reading through the logs is currently not helping me as I dont k
[22:09] <Nebi> now what I should look for.
[22:09] <EriC^^> Nebi: try removing quiet splash from grub and put verbose instead
[22:10] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: apt remove --purge xorg* nvidia* ? :x
[22:11] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: 1st we got to stop the Xserver . need to know the display manager : ' cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager ' .
[22:12] <Nebi> EriC^^ Thanks Eric. Unfortunately it didnt provide in the loading more information ebfore the freeze. Black screen with not-moving tick above
[22:12] <Exterminador>  Bashing-om: I'm on tty2. does it matter? as with the stripes I can't see nothing in the normal way
[22:13] <jcnoir> /plugin
[22:13] <EriC^^> Nebi: does another tty work?
[22:13] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: /usr/sbin/lightdm
[22:13] <Nebi> If I do normal boot or replacing by verbose, then no other tty can be opened. However, if I replace with 'nomodeset' then it crashes but I can change to another tty
[22:14] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Let's then try an easier way in your condition. rebbot to the login screen can you get a usable comsole interface with ' ctl+alt+F2 ' ?
[22:14] <|Night|> hey
[22:15] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Boy, I got some homework to do as I was expecting this to be ubuntu and running GDM3 rather than lightdm .
[22:15] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: that's what I've done :) I've let it boot until the login screen and then I've used ctrl+alt+f2
[22:15] <|Night|> I keep getting To connect to site insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.  with wget
[22:15] <|Night|> any idea how to fix this? CA is in my sertstore
[22:15] <|Night|> it even fails on github
[22:17] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Here then X is not started ) I think ) and we can safely run ' sudo apt remove --purge xserver-xorg ' sudo apt install xserver-xorg ; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ' . reboot to see what we have for sure .
[22:18] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: right away!
[22:19] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: I do expect that you can copy and paste in the blind :)
[22:20] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: I'm good typing manually (been doing it for some time)
[22:23] <kilroyson101> hey there quick question if i could
[22:23] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: :_ was concerned could not see properly in that TTY2 .
[22:23] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: rebooting (Nvidia logo appeared after splash screen) but once again, stripes in the login screen
[22:24] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: At that point is the vesa driver .
[22:24] <kilroyson101> unable to find root  error when installing from usb  any idea where i went sideways with the process ?
[22:25] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: next idea? :)
[22:25] <Bashing-om> kilroyson101: in the installer did you " something else" and did you there define the / partition ?
[22:25] <[itchyjunk]> hi i am trying to follow the steps here. https://www.tensorflow.org/install/install_linux i was told to apt-get install cuda-command-line-toolkit instead which i did. do i need to get the cuda-command-line-tools as well?
[22:26] <kilroyson101> wont show that part goes straight from the minimal or full install to the partion menu but it only shows my sdb not the harddrive for comp i believe
[22:26] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: think'n
[22:28] <Bashing-om> kilroyson101: Best show the channel what you are working with . pastebin ' sudo parted -l ' .
[22:29] <kilroyson101> like a pic or ?  if it changes the scenario any  these are machines that were wiped by police and bought at auction i have no back up O.S to work with on these machines
[22:29] <Bashing-om> kilroyson101: A pic might just might be good enough :)
[22:30] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: what returns ' apt-cache show xserver-xorg | grep Version ' ?
[22:30] <kilroyson101> kk ill take a shot of it with cell and ill be back  ty bashing-om   definitely appreciated,
[22:31] <Bashing-om> kilroyson101: Gotta be a reason .
[22:31] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: Version: 1:7.7+19ubuntu7
[22:33] <Jordan_U> kilroyson101: Are you sure that these computers have hard drives? Often the way that organizations ensure that no data gets leaked is by simply removing the hard drive before selling them on.
[22:34] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: that is correct .. and are the modules available ? pastebin ' cat /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ' .
[22:36] <Nebi> Could it be that running 'sudo ldconfig' it caused a freeze at boot?
[22:37] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: weirdly, no modules: http://termbin.com/1ofo
[22:38] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: default .. I had expected perhaps to see nvidia ?? Back to the drawing board .
[22:42] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Got a config file ( should NOT ) ' ls /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ' anything mvidia here 'ls /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ' ?
[22:45] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: inside /etc/X11 there's no Xorg.conf. inside /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d there's a few files including nvidia.drm.outputclass-ubuntu.conf
[22:47] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: We should be good ... humm .. How about we revert back explicitly to nouveau driver . from there see what we can find ?
[22:47] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: how to do that? apt remove --purge nvidia* only?
[22:48] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: or should I go to Software & Updates and choose Xorg there?
[22:49] <Johnak> is this the place to ask if i have questions on my ubuntu?
[22:50] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Yes, and then explictly make sure the nouvea driver installs ' sudo apt install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau ' watching for error reports .
[22:50] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Command line ' apt remove --purge nvidia* '
[22:50] <Bashing-om>  .
[22:51] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: right away.
[22:51] <Bashing-om> Johnak: most assurdedly .. ubuntu ask .
[22:54] <Johnak> my wlan0 does not show up in the "iwconfig", but my "lsusb" and "inxi -nx" says they can see this wifi adapter, has anyone and any similar problem?
[22:56] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: apt install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau said it's already installed
[22:56] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: reboot and still with bad graphic's ?
[22:57] <Exterminador> it's rebooting
[22:57] <Nebi> guys an important question: could the freeze be caused because I typed 'sudo apt-get autoremove ?
[22:58] <www_> no
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Nebi: I would not think so .. the package manager only looks for things it "can" remove .
[22:59] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: no bad graphics, but a black screen instead. :/
[22:59] <Nebi> Bashing-om, OK thanks for the info.
[22:59] <LinuxGuy2020> Hello I was wondering if there is a way for an average user to convert a deb package along with dependencies into a snap package. Command line is fine as long as its not rocket science.
[23:00] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: show a new Xorg.conf file . I am out of time and must cut grass, I be back in an hour or so .
[23:01] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: what I can see here is that "nomodeset" makes it work but I have low graphics resolution. if at least I could change screen resolution even with "nomodeset" enabled. pastebin on its way
[23:03] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/b0cx
[23:03] <Exterminador> oops
[23:03] <Exterminador> wrong file
[23:05] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: I don't have any Xorg.conf file
[23:08] <kilroyson101> how would one upload picture from comp to the chat ? got the pics   Bashing-om
[23:16] <kilroyson101> okay so i used rufus to make a ubuntu bootable usb with both 14.04 and 18.04 versions   unable to find root  error when installing from usb  any idea where i went sideways with the process ?if it changes the scenario any  these are machines that were wiped by police and bought at auction i have no back up O.S to work with on these machines an i have pictures of the screens and error aswell.
[23:18] <www_> kilroyson101: use dd instead of rufus
[23:19] <kilroyson101> dd ??
[23:19] <kilroyson101> could you elaborate ?
[23:21] <www_> type man dd in the terminal
[23:21] <compdoc> kilroyson101, rufus is  run on windows?
[23:22] <www_> or dd help
[23:22] <kilroyson101> is it the other option on rufus instead of iso ?   /    rufus is being run on windows but the machines themselves have nothing on them   im working with a base bios
[23:23] <www_> oh
[23:23] <compdoc> kilroyson101, imageUSB works perfectly with iso files
[23:24] <kilroyson101> 2.18.1213 version of rufus and the 14.04.4 and 18.04 versions of ubuntu     /  so you think switching the formatting program will yield different result ?
[23:24] <compdoc> its what i use
[23:24] <Nebi> OK, I will go to bed now. I posted my problem under the following link if someone might want to help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1037166/freeze-at-login-screen-ubuntu-16-04-unknown-reason-after-doing-many-things
[23:25] <kilroyson101> ill try it out  thanks compdoc
[23:25] <Exterminador> okay. how do I force the screen resolution even with nomodeset enabled?
[23:25] <kilroyson101> any other suggestions mates while im testing that out ?
[23:25] <www_> i use dd command with iso and it has never disappointed me
[23:26] <Exterminador> www_: afaik you don't have dd in Windoze
[23:28] <www_> Exterminador: i dont use windows!!!! if that person has a computer running linux, he can try it out
[23:31] <puff> I'm having trouble getting my kindle fire to mount via MTP.
[23:32] <puff> When I plug my kindle fire in via USB cable, I get "Unable to open MTP device '[usb:002,006]'"
[23:32] <www_> install mtp tools
[23:34] <puff> Hm, in dmesg, I see it recognizing the kindle fire, then: [183041.198292] ata4: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4040000 action 0xe frozen
[23:34] <puff> I already have mtp-tools installed.
[23:38] <nacc> puff: that message implies a hardware fault occurred. Are you using the cable that came with your Kindle?
[23:39] <nacc> puff: have you tried other USB ports on your machine, some may be underpowered. If a laptop, is the laptop plugged in (this also changes port behavior, broad strokes)
[23:41] <Exterminador> nacc: by any chance do you know how to force a specific screen resolution even with nomodeset enabled?
[23:42] <nacc> Exterminador: have you tried with xrandr?
[23:43] <Exterminador> nope. how should I proceed?
[23:44] <PastorBones> Hey guys...I accidentally chown / but was able to stop it quick. /lib64 and /tmp were changed. I booted LiveCD, fixed ownership...still won't boot. Any suggestions?
[23:45] <gambl0re> can anyone recommend a simple lightweight easy to use video editor for ubuntu?
[23:50] <RoadRunner> trying to unmount an fs to shrink a lvm partition but seem to be making a mistake in my command syntax: "sudo umount /dev/sda5/xubuntu-vg/lvm2 pv".  Where "dev/sda5 "is the partition, "xubuntu-vg" the mount point and "lvm2 pv" the file system. Where is my mistake?
[23:51] <matjam> RoadRunner: just umount the mount path
[23:51] <matjam> if its mounted to /xubuntu-vg (you need to use the absolute path) then umount /xubuntu-vg
[23:52] <matjam> of course if the filesystem is in use it will not let you.
[23:53] <RoadRunner> matjam: I booted from a live cd and am following the example syntax here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/196125/how-can-i-resize-an-lvm-partition-i-e-physical-volume : "sudo umount /dev/vg_blah/lv_blah"
[23:54] <matjam> that will work just don't put anything after it
[23:54] <matjam> type "mount" to see whats mounted, exactly, and use the path there
[23:57] <michaelrose> so why exactly did ubuntu copy that idiotic pull up to get rid of lockscreen gesture from windows?
[23:58] <matjam> I don't know
[23:58] <RoadRunner> matjam: figuring out the correct path is the problem for me; I thought GParted gave it under "mount point". "mount" lists a ton of stuff and no dev/sda5 is evident
[23:59] <matjam> I replaced GDM with LightDM to get rid of it.
[23:59] <matjam> RoadRunner: well you're using lvm so the underlying device won't be mounted


[02:37] <humphreybc-cell> dutchie godbyk, you guys find android wifi strength to be a bit crap?
[08:01] <humphreybc-cell> IlyaHaykinson: thanks for the testimonial! :)
[08:01] <godbyk> Hey, humphreybc-cell
[08:01] <godbyk> My phone doesn't have any problems with the wireless Internet.
[08:01] <godbyk> (wifi, that is)
[08:02] <godbyk> it does kind of suck as a phone, though -- only because the cell coverage for my house is pretty poor at the moment.
[08:02] <humphreybc-cell> godbyk: cool
[08:02] <godbyk> (I'll be moving in a few months anyway, so I'm not overly concerned about it.)
[08:03] <humphreybc-cell> My wifi is bad but 3g is terrible. 2kb/s no kidding
[08:03] <humphreybc-cell> Ringing them tomorrow
[08:03] <humphreybc-cell> At the supermarket now though ttyl
[08:03] <godbyk> humphreybc-cell: 'kay.  see ya.
[08:07] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc-cell: yw
[08:21] <humphreybc> android guys:
[08:21] <humphreybc> settings > about phone > status > mobile network type
[08:21] <humphreybc> what does it say?
[08:31] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'm in the basement, so no signal at the moment. When I go upstairs, I'll try to remember to look for ya.
[08:32] <godbyk> humphreybc: Oh, hey, it just found signal.  Says EDGE.  (T-Mobile)
[08:32] <godbyk> I'm in a dead zone, though, so I'm not expecting to see much.
[08:42] <humphreybc> hmm
[08:42] <humphreybc> EDGE
[08:42] <humphreybc> mine says GPRS which is the slowest network ever
[08:42] <humphreybc> I expect it to say 3G or something, that's what my plan is
[08:42] <humphreybc> i think vodafone are being a pain
[08:42] <humphreybc> i'll have to ring them tomorrow
[08:43] <ziroday> if its 3G it should say UTMS or something similar IIRC
[08:46] <humphreybc> hm
[08:46] <humphreybc> i ran a speed test today from my mobile
[08:46] <humphreybc> not connected to wifi
[08:46] <humphreybc> first go said 33kbits/sec
[08:46] <humphreybc> second go said 16kbits/sec
[08:46] <humphreybc> 100kb download file took 25 and 48 secs in each test, respectively
[08:47] <humphreybc> that is ridiculously slow
[08:49] <humphreybc> everyone run http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed on their cellphones, 100k file :)
[08:52] <humphreybc> please :)
[08:55] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'll have to give that a shot when I'm not in my basement. :)
[09:05] <humphreybc> haha
[09:06] <humphreybc> you're not in your mum's basement are you..
[09:06] <godbyk> nope, my own. :)
[09:06] <humphreybc> that's good. are you married?
[09:06] <humphreybc> a mrs godbyk? haha
[09:07] <godbyk> nope, not married. enjoying the bachelor's life. :-)
[09:07] <humphreybc> fair enough!
[09:14] <humphreybc> anyone know how you can update the version of android on your phone prematurely (before the official release)
[09:15] <humphreybc> 2.1 is out and about, but not released for my phone till later this year
[09:15] <humphreybc> 2.1 has PDF support so i can read the manual...
[09:15] <humphreybc> but i'm still on 1.5
[09:19] <godbyk> humphreybc: what pdf support?
[09:19] <humphreybc> gah
[09:19] <humphreybc> http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=47360
[09:19] <humphreybc> seems to depend whether you're "with google" or HTC, or branded with vodafeon
[09:19] <humphreybc> vodafone
[09:19] <humphreybc> my magic is an "Vodafone Magic with Google"
[09:20] <godbyk> I have a Nexus One, so it as associated with Google as one can get. :)
[09:23] <godbyk> humphreybc: so what's the best pdf viewer for android 2.1?
[09:23] <godbyk> when I downloaded a pdf the other day is barked about not knowing about pdfs.
[09:36] <humphreybc> no idea
[09:37] <humphreybc> haven't tried any yet!
[09:37] <humphreybc> i read somewhere that 2.1 supported pdfs natively
[09:37] <humphreybc> dutchie: idea for manualbot: a !Google: command
[09:37] <humphreybc> native support in android would be nice
[09:38] <humphreybc> they should have native text, pdf and flac support imo
[09:38] <humphreybc> RAW files would be cool too
[09:39] <humphreybc> just because i have a DSLR
[09:46] <IlyaHaykinson> can someone pull & make? i am updating to texlive 2009, and that will take a while.
[09:46] <IlyaHaykinson> and i'm afraid i broken the build or whatnot
[09:50] <humphreybc> sure
[09:50] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Sure, one sec.
[09:51] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: \textbox should be \textfield.
[09:51] <humphreybc> what the hell, chrome
[09:51] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: In ./default-apps/readingcomposingemail.tex
[09:52] <IlyaHaykinson> godbyk: ok, fixing
[09:52] <IlyaHaykinson> pushed
[09:53] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: builds successfully now.
[09:53] <godbyk> How goes the TL2009 install?
[09:53] <humphreybc> anyone actually know how OpenID works?
[09:53] <humphreybc> I just enter in my email and then bam
[09:53] <humphreybc> or sometimes i just click "login" without entering in anything
[09:53] <godbyk> humphreybc: ?
[09:53] <humphreybc> okay no dont worry
[09:54] <godbyk> It's supposed to take a url
[09:54] <humphreybc> i do have to enter in my password at some point
[09:54] <godbyk> then it bounces you to that server and you tell that server your login credentials
[09:54] <godbyk> the server passes back data to the original site.
[09:54] <godbyk> so the original site never knows your username/password, just the openid url
[09:54] <IlyaHaykinson> thanks.
[09:54] <IlyaHaykinson> tl2009 - 0104/2020
[09:54] <humphreybc> godbyk: ah!
[09:54] <IlyaHaykinson> so still quite a ways to go. :)
[09:55] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: nice.  how much is it downloading? did you do the full install?
[09:55] <IlyaHaykinson> i just ran the script; i think it decided to do the full install.
[09:55] <IlyaHaykinson> maybe i missed an option, maybe i didn't -- either way i would have done the full install i guess
[09:55] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: gotcha.
[09:56] <IlyaHaykinson> downloading about 2GB
[09:59] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, i guess i'll leave it to it's downloading, and go to sleep. l8r folks
[10:04] <godbyk> See ya, IlyaHaykinson.
[10:34] <godbyk> Of course, humphreybc disappears just before I run his speed test. :-)
[19:45] <maiatoday> can anyone please tell me where to find out what else I need to apt-get besides groundcontrol
[19:47] <thorwil> maiatoday: what are you intending to do?
[19:47] <maiatoday> I just want to make the pdf from the code I got from bzr using groundcontrol
[19:48] <maiatoday> I don't have any LaTex installation, I read about the install.sh script which is updated but can't seem to find it
[19:48] <thorwil> maiatoday: let me dig a bit
[19:49] <maiatoday> is there a page on the wiki to read to say what you need to do to set everything up? make reports pdflatex command not found
[19:50] <thorwil> maiatoday: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00548.html
[19:51] <maiatoday> thorwil: thanks, I'll go read and come back when I'm lost again
[19:51] <thorwil> godbyk, godbyk-android: ^ that is still the most current info, right?
[19:56] <thorwil> maiatoday: a word of warning: the tex live 2009 default installation takes something like 2 GB disk space
[19:57] <maiatoday> thorwil: no problem enough disk space, I also found the prerequisites page on the wiki
[20:00] <thorwil> maiatoday: i was under the impression that the wiki still mentions ubuntu packages. sadly the tex live version in Karmic is not sufficient anymore
[20:01] <maiatoday> thorwil: I don't know how I got onto the prerequisites page, but maybe it is a good idea to have a link there from either FAQ or Technical help, I'll edit the wiki if that's ok?
[20:01] <thorwil> maiatoday: where's that  prerequisites page?
[20:01] <maiatoday> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Prerequisites
[20:02] <maiatoday> oh now I remember I ran the script in pkgs and it sent me to the prerequisites page
[20:03] <thorwil> maiatoday: oh, if you could add a link to that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Help where it mentions a package, that would be great
[20:04] <maiatoday> okidoki
[20:07] <maiatoday> thorwil: the install_pkgs.sh script wants you to install LaTex2009 so is the package installation info on the help page still relevant. Can you still work on the project using the repository version of LaTex
[20:08] <thorwil> maiatoday: you can work on the project without latex, as you are not required to build the manual
[20:09] <thorwil> maiatoday: but if you want to build the manual, you need the 2009 version right from the source, no package
[23:14] <humphreybc> i'm giving a talk to my old school computer class about FLOSS and the projects i'm working on
[23:14] <humphreybc> what do you think i should definitely include?
[23:14] <humphreybc> i thought they'd be interested in launchpad, quickshot, ground control, latex, compiling in lots of languages and the google lunar x prize stuff (other things i work on)
[23:15] <dutchie> you are trying to land a probe on the moon?
[23:32] <humphreybc> maybe
[23:33] <dutchie> is it sekrit?
[23:33] <humphreybc> haha nope
[23:33] <humphreybc> www.lunarnumbat.org
[23:59] <humphreybc> right off to do my talk
[23:59] <humphreybc> later folks


[04:06] <Prerak> Hello
[04:07] <Prerak> Do we have any guide to use cloud-init on freebsd?
[16:04] <smoser> blackboxsw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25363324/
[16:04] <smoser> that'd be the yaml like syntax that i thought might throw you fits
[16:05] <smoser> and then second, like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25363330/
[16:05] <smoser> those are yaml "anchors"
[16:06] <blackboxsw> smoser: that might actually throw jsonschema fits (self-referential stuff & json) hmm
[16:06] <blackboxsw> good examples. I'll play with them smoser
[16:11] <smoser> well, they're valid to json schema
[16:11] <smoser> because yaml.load() returns you a dictionary with all things "copied out"
[16:13] <smoser> ie, the result of cloudinit.safeyaml.load() is always somethign that jsonschema can look at. json schema doesn't actually look at the "S" in JSON ("serialized"), but rather it looks at the "O" ("object").
[16:13] <smoser> and yaml.load() returns a object
[16:33] <blackboxsw> ok smoser rharper all changes pushed to the analyze branch https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/328819 CI works
[16:33] <rharper> k
[16:45] <rharper> smoser: if the sbuild of the new release package is good, do you want us to push the upstream tag ?
[17:03] <sabari> Folks, cloud-init with config drive on openstack instance incorrectly sets the dns-nameservers on the loopback interface. Rest of the configuration is correctly set on eth0. Any ideas to troubleshoot this ?
[17:03] <sabari> I am running Ubuntu 16.04
[17:08] <rharper> sabari: it's not an incorrect setting, are you not seeing the values show up in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[17:09] <rharper> the resolvconf package will read any of the dns-* settings across any interface, including lo;
[17:09] <smoser> rharper, i guess you could propose a merge
[17:09] <smoser> and i could then pull, build, push
[17:10] <rharper> smoser: ok, let me see if I can get that working
[17:10] <rharper> I suspect I'll need to push my tags to my remote branch
[17:11] <smoser> right. i guess the only tag that matters is ubuntu/<...>
[17:11] <smoser> and i can just as well tag that and push
[17:11] <sabari> rharper: /etc/resolv.conf is empty.  When I use cloud-init with metadata service, the dns-nameservers are set on eth0 and hence I expected the same with configdrive as datasrouce.
[17:11] <smoser> sabari, that is odd.
[17:12] <smoser> well, or maybe not.
[17:12] <smoser> so the difference between info from the openstack api and the config drive is that cloud-init will read all the networking config from the config drive and apply it form config drive.
[17:13] <smoser> but it does not currently do that for the metadata service.
[17:13] <rharper> smoser: configdrive *may* include an eni  vs. network_data.json
[17:14] <rharper> and IIRC< it prefers the eni vs network_data.json ; where as meta-data service, only has network_data.json ?  do I have that right?
[17:14] <rharper> ISTR an issue w.r.t an 'eni' in the config and a 'network_data.json'
[17:14] <rharper> and cloud-init had to make a choice w.r.t which one has precendence
[17:14] <rharper> possibly the eni included does not match what's in network_data.json
[17:15] <sabari> rharper: I only see network_data.json in the mounted iso. I don't see an ENI. Let me check again.
[17:16] <rharper> if you can, could you share the network_data.json ?  I can render that locally and see what eni cloud-init should generate
[17:16] <sabari> rhaper: sure
[17:17] <sabari> rharper: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/618941/
[17:18] <smoser> well...
[17:18] <smoser> so cloud-init is putting those on 'lo' as they're "global" dns servers.
[17:19] <smoser> theres no specific data that says these are attached to eth0.
[17:19] <smoser> obviously you could come up with rules to figure that out but cloud-init does not do that at the moment.
[17:20] <sabari> smoser: I see. So the global dns-servers are set only on the lo interface. rharper mentioned that resolconf is supposed to read it and set to /etc/resolv.conf, let me try to check that.
[17:21] <smoser> well, yeah. resolvconf will apply dns nameservers
[17:21] <smoser> on each interface as it comes up
[17:21] <smoser> and as 'lo' came up, and had dns-nameservers, it should have made its way into /etc/resolv.conf
[17:22] <rharper> smoser: hrm, the openstack helper makes local renedering unhappy because of that known_macs feature
[17:23] <rharper> net-convert used to work on those files; will need to fix that
[17:23] <smoser> ?
[17:23] <smoser> it will work, you just have to pass in the macs
[17:23] <rharper> right
[17:23] <rharper> that's work for net-convert
[17:23] <rharper> to pull them out of the json and pass it to the method for rendering
[17:23] <rharper> bbiab
[17:23] <smoser> right. you could do that.
[17:25] <sabari> smoser, rharper: thanks for all the info. Let me debug what's happening with resolconf and get back.
[17:32] <powersj> rharper: looks like there is support in cloud-init for setting a sortlist in resolv.conf however LP: #1711967 says there is an issue with that
[17:35] <smoser> rharper, sabari note, this is upstream related
[17:35] <smoser>  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467699/
[17:35] <smoser> ie, them fixing the dns info to be per-interface
[17:36] <smoser> i had started cloud-init chagnes at http://paste.ubuntu.com/25220242/
[17:43] <sabari> smoser: Thanks a lot for the upstream patch! It will try it out and hopefully that will fix the problem :)
[17:43] <smoser> sabari, well, cloud-init does not support it yet.. eventually it would.
[17:45] <sabari> smoser: Ah, I see. So this also needs the corresponding cloud-init fix that you referenced.
[17:50] <sabari> smoser: Little confused here..If I patch nova with the upstream change, the existing cloud-init should be able to set the nameserver on eth0 as well right ? Or does I need the changes you are working on.
[17:50] <sabari> *do I
[17:55] <smoser> you'd also need cloud-init changes to take advantage of the upstream change.
[17:56] <smoser> the upstream change was basically upstream realizing "hey, dns servers generally available per-interface."
[18:07] <smoser> blackboxsw, https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/328241
[18:07] <blackboxsw> checking
[18:07] <smoser> did you see ajogen's comments ?
[18:08] <blackboxsw> hrm saw all of his initial comments, didn't see that last one
[18:21] <rharper> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329324   see if I did that right;  I pushed with --tags which pushed *all* my tags; not sure if that's correct
[18:23] <nacc> rharper: fwiw, your tags are relatively irrelevant to a git merge
[18:23] <nacc> rharper: not sure entirely on the context, just an fyi
[18:31] <rharper> nacc: yeah; I figured;  we're documenting upstream release into ubuntu/devel process, so it includes a few tag steps that are meant for :master but if I'm preparing the changes in a branch ,  hoping to bring the needed single tag along but we'll have to see what works here
[18:33] <nacc> rharper: so you can push a single tag with `git push <remote> <tag>` and git should figure it out (tags are a special ref case). You can also push with a refspec `git push <remote> refs/tags/<tag>:refs/tags/<remotetagname>'
[18:33] <nacc> rharper: yeah, what you  wrote makes sense, though -- if you need any help, let me know
[18:34] <rharper> nacc: ah, that make sense (for single tag push0
[18:34] <rharper> )
[18:49] <smoser> rharper, you picked the wrong target
[18:49] <smoser> for the merge
[18:49] <smoser>  https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329324
[18:49] <smoser> you dont want to 'Merge into:' target
[18:49] <smoser> you want into ubuntu/artful
[18:49] <nacc> or ubuntu/devel, probably?
[18:49] <smoser> right
[18:50] <nacc> they presumably point to the same thing
[18:50] <nacc> our general hope is for 'ubuntu -> ubuntu merges', ubuntu/devel can always be the target
[18:50] <nacc> and for ubuntu -> debian merges, debian/sid can always the target
[18:56] <rharper> smoser: ah, right
[18:56] <rharper> do I just kill the MP and resubmit ?
[18:57] <nacc> rharper: i think you can just resubmit it from the web UI and pick a new target
[19:05] <smoser> rharper, i rejected it :). you can't (or i couldnt) change the target. maybe you can, but resubmit with different target is as easy
[19:05] <nacc> smoser: yeah, user can resubmit and change it, iirc, but not with the existing MP
[19:12] <rharper> smoser: k
[19:14] <rharper> hrm, LP doesn't like ubuntu/artful
[19:49] <nacc> rharper: did you get an error? i see it existing: https://code.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/ubuntu/artful
[19:53] <rharper> nacc: I did, complained that it didn't recognize ubuntu/arful ;   I used ubuntu/devel  instead
[19:53] <rharper> artful
[19:53] <rharper> even
[19:53] <nacc> rharper: hrm, strange
[20:33] <rharper> smoser: nacc: hrm, so it doesn't like ubuntu/* whatever the first time;  it reports an error, but if you just resubmit, then it works. ..
[20:33] <rharper> maybe a git/launchpad integration error ?
[20:34] <rharper> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329332
[20:38] <smoser> rharper, you dont have a ubuntu/0.7.9-243-ge74d775-0ubuntu1 tag pushed.
[20:38] <smoser> https://git.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/refs/tags?h=ubuntu-devel-new-artful-release-v2
[20:39] <smoser> not a big deal, i can just tag and push there.
[20:39] <smoser> i think what you wanted would have been:
[20:39] <smoser>  git tag ubuntu/0.7.9-243-ge74d775-0ubuntu1
[20:39] <smoser>  git push <your-repo-name> HEAD ubuntu/0.7.9-243-ge74d775-0ubuntu1
[20:39] <rharper> smoser: well, I wanted to push it, but I couldn't quite figure out how to specify my branch remote;
[20:39] <rharper> smoser: I've done the tag
[20:40] <rharper> but not sure how to push with -u raharper (which expands to the lp remote)
[20:41] <rharper> smoser: that last one worked ( had to look up my remote name )
[20:41] <rharper> maybe I was just missing the HEAD , git push -u raharper HEAD <tag>
[20:47] <smoser> head would have been same as 'ubuntu/devel'
[20:48] <smoser> git push raharper ubuntu/devel ubuntu/0.7.9-243-ge74d775-0ubuntu1
[20:48] <smoser> or
[20:48] <smoser> git checkout ubuntu/devel && git push raharper HEAD ubuntu/0.7.9-243-ge74d775-0ubuntu1
[20:49] <smoser> and i just uploaded that and pushed.
[20:50] <rharper> cool
[20:54] <nacc> rharper: the syntax you listed `git push remote HEAD <tag>` doesn't do what you think most likely :)
[20:54] <nacc> well, it depends on what you're trying to do, i suppose
[20:54] <nacc> you very rarely push HEAD explicitly like that
[20:56] <rharper> nacc: I think you want to ping smoser; I was blindly trying what smoser suggested;  I think smoser has resolved to something more repeatable with the git push <lpuser> ubuntu/devel (or whatever my local branch with the change sare on) <tag name I just tagged>
[20:56] <rharper> which should work regardless of what HEAD is pointing at (which I think is your point)
[20:57] <nacc> rharper: right, you want to push a local branch and tag?
[20:57] <rharper> yeah
[20:57] <nacc> rharper: and use the same naming on the remote, it seems like?
[20:57] <rharper> yes
[20:57] <nacc> rharper: yep `git push <remote> <branch name> <tag name>` is perfect then. And by default, with `git ubuntu`, the remote name is your lp username
[20:58] <smoser> rharper, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-August/008659.html
[20:58] <rharper> smoser: thanks!
[20:58] <smoser> rharper, it is easy to think that
[20:58] <smoser>  git push <remote> <local-hashish> <remote-name>
[20:58] <smoser> but that is not the syntax
[20:58] <smoser> its
[20:59] <smoser>  git push <remote> <local-hashish>[:<remote-name>] [...]
[20:59] <rharper> I know of the colon; I used that often for branches
[20:59] <rharper> it's the tag that was confusing
[20:59] <nacc> yeah
[20:59] <rharper> I guess tag goes in [...] ?
[20:59] <nacc> just keep in mind that everything after remote is a refspec
[20:59] <rharper> git push raharper my-local-branch:my-remote-branch-name <Tag> ?
[20:59] <nacc> so any refspec is allowed and those without colons are degenerate cases


[00:15] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I only made a single comment; really minor (works/work) in Other Community News
[00:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Looking soonest - :)
[00:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wild_Man The verb "works" is plural as the objects are plural, is my thinking. Is this not correct ?
[00:34] <guiverc> I believe 'works' is technically correct... my comment is b/c it stood out to me, it's now used how I usually read it used..
[00:35] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wild_Man What might be a solution is to change the verb as " The work's focuses" where focuses becomes the verb ?
[19:17] <Bashing-om> Pulling "WIP" target time to push: 20:00 GMT.
[20:02] <Bashing-om> M/L is away - doing the forum post next.
[20:05] <Bashing-om> forum post done - no issues; doing the re-directs next.
[20:18] <Bashing-om> Re-directs done; Pending are the social media postings  :D
[20:26] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, starting the rest of the publishing now
[20:30] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: :D
[20:38] <wildmanne39> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/10/14/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-600/
[20:46] <wildmanne39> Done
[20:57] <wildmanne39> How you doing Bashing-om ?
[21:12] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: All the better now that the summer cold has finally broken - Now if only I had the Fall chores done :P How about you and yours ?
[21:13] <wildmanne39> I am still recovering from my elective surgery, Ii have to drains still in but I not doing bad at the moment, just hoping all goes well after the drains are removed
[21:13] <wildmanne39> two wvwn
[21:14] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: Good - here is to taking care !
[21:15] <wildmanne39> I do not make a habit out of having elective surgeries, I do not plan to do it again
[21:19] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: No more than is needed for peace of mind. I have had few surgeries in my life and I want to keep it that way :P
[21:20] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: guiverc:: Well all done now with 600 ? Wipe Gdoc ?
[21:20] <wildmanne39> When I am healed completely I will be glad I did
[21:20] <wildmanne39> Yes Bashing-om think so
[21:23] <guiverc> i see no reason why not Bashing-om
[21:23] <Bashing-om> wipping :P
[21:30] <Bashing-om> We do UWN601 :D
[21:31] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, doesn't Ubuntu Mate come with a Dock?
[21:31] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: Right off hand I do not recall what is default in Mate :(
[21:33] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, I thought it did from memory, I have minimal installed and it has one but the full version it does not come up both installed in vb, I am thinking it is just hidden from some reason running in a vm, wanted to ask before I get deep into investigating
[21:37] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 600 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/10/14/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-600/
[21:52] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, I found it, I just had go click on it to start it, it is called plank, been to long since I tested it I guess, but It looks a runs nice in a vm its 19.10
[21:53] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: :D - great - so far 19.10 xubuntu has been solid for me - not even had a bug to report.
[21:54] <wildmanne39> That is awesome, I have xubuntu installed to but it is 18.04 right now
[21:56] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: xfce == KISS :)
[22:00] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, indeed one of my favorite principals
[22:15] <Bashing-om> And done - weekly backups :)
[23:50] <pleia2> issue 600!!!
[23:50] <pleia2> congrats :D
[23:53] <Unit193> Wow.
[23:55] <Bashing-om> pleia2: Would not be if not for you :D
[23:56] <pleia2> <3


[12:49] <MenZa> ugh
[09:27] <jenda> MenZa: ugh?
[09:41] <MenZa> Yes.
[09:41] <MenZa> I constantly miss juliux, jenda
[09:41] <MenZa> :p
[09:41] <MenZa> I need to talk to him about a shirt deal
[09:41] <jenda> Oh, I nearly missed him in Dresden too ;)
[09:42] <jenda> I arrived about 14 hours later than originally planned ;)
[09:42] <MenZa> :D
[09:42] <MenZa> :O
[09:42] <jenda> Original plan: bus at 23:55-3:00
[09:42] <MenZa> Walked in smugly at dinner time the next day?
[09:44] <jenda> Actual trip: Across Prague to highway 12:30-14:00 Hitchhike from there to Usti 14:00-15:00, wait at Usti for hitch, in vain 15:00-19:00, wait for train 19:00-20:16, ride train to Dresden 20:16-21:30.
[09:45] <MenZa> lol
[09:47] <jenda> And we grabbed a bus to Prague from there at 2:15 AM, although it was delayed and arrived around 3:45
[09:47] <MenZa> hehehe
[10:54] <katkin> morning guys!
[11:35] <jenda> mornin' katkin :)
[11:35] <katkin> morning jenda, how goes it? :)
[11:36] <jenda> not bad :) Trying to catch up with reality after having beuno here - not that we did any actual work, but the pubs were exhausting ;)
[11:36] <katkin> cool - where have you been out?
[11:37] <jenda> Well, he came visit me here in Prague, and we had a mini-trip to Dresden, visiting juliux :)
[11:40] <jenda> Although we did discuss some specs for the UDS... coming soon ;)
[11:44] <katkin> good stuff. I hope the weather has been better where you are. We have had nothing but rain in England for the past few weeks
[11:44] <katkin> and it doesn't look like it is going to stop for the next few weeks . . . .
[11:48] <jenda> oh well, England ;)
[11:48] <jenda> We've had a few showers here too, but otherwise just fine.
[12:16] <katkin> jenda: sorry I disappeared. Am having some new Dell laptop teething problems
[12:16] <jenda> whee ;)
[12:17] <jenda> not at all
[12:17] <katkin> it keeps beeping randomly, was on the phone to their technical peeps and I had to re-boot to do a diagnostic
[12:17] <katkin> they think it is a keyboard problem, but I'm not convinced . . .
[12:17] <jenda> Maybe it's just happy about the software it runs?
[12:17] <katkin> indeed!
[12:18] <katkin> although it is starting to drive me mildy insane
[12:18] <katkin> mildy = mildly
[12:20] <katkin> I would hate to have to use W*ndo#s just so it didn't beep tho. . . :(
[12:21] <jenda> yo :)
[12:21] <jenda> katkin: earplugs come way cheaper.
[12:22] <katkin> katkin: true, I have been listening to a lot of music at work recently!
[12:24] <jenda> Just have it louder than the beeps, or align it rythmically.
[12:24] <jenda> Anyway... where were we meatballhat? :)
[12:24] <meatballhat> oh yesh...   'status' == 'hmmmmm'
[12:24] <jenda> meatballhat: what exactly is the drupal plugin Phillip is taking care of?
[12:24] <jenda> And who is this Phillip :D
[12:25] <meatballhat> everything that is specific to DIY
[12:25] <jenda> right, dergringo
[12:25] <meatballhat> both Phillipp and Buster say that they have lots of experience with Drupal, so I'm trusting their judgement
[12:25] <jenda> ok, cool.
[12:26] <meatballhat> ...but a little nudge to make sure we're all still thinking about our roles is in order :D
[12:26] <jenda> indeed - lemme check if I have Phillip in my jabber, too.
[12:27] <meatballhat> exshellent
[12:30] <jenda> ok, got him, but waiting for activation.
[12:30] <jenda> erm
[12:30] <jenda> permission, authorisation, confirmation, whateveration.
[12:30] <meatballhat> gotcha ...   that thing that happens, yes ;-)
[12:32] <jenda> OK, if I don't hear from either of them by tomorrow, I'll send out an email.
[12:32] <jenda> And if nothing comes, still, I'll threaten that I'll cut off one of my fingers for every day they don't respond. That'll show them.
[12:32] <jenda> :)
[12:34] <jenda> Hmm..
[12:35] <jenda> I'll have a lot of work to do with all this - since at the same time, I'm trying to get an Ubuntu CZ Association running, as well as earn a living ;)
[12:35] <jenda> But that's life.
[12:36] <jenda> meatballhat: thanks for the update - I'll bbl :)
[12:40] <meatballhat> jenda: gotcha :D
[01:11] <jenda> 13:02 -!- meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat]  has left #ubuntu-marketing ["/me tapdances and farts off stage left"]
[01:11] <jenda> 13:06 -!- beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno]  has joined #ubuntu-marketing
[01:11] <jenda> shifts :)
[01:11] <jenda> beuno: where did you upload them pictures? I'd like to have a look at them :)
[01:11] <beuno> hahaha, we're making sure you have some sort of geek present at any time, in case you need it  :p
[01:12] <jenda> hahaha :D
[01:12] <jenda> Marvelous :)
[01:12] <beuno> http://www.flickr.com/photos/asciigirl/
[01:12] <jenda> thanks
[01:13] <beuno> np, I might still have some in my camera, I'd have to check
[01:13] <jenda> BTW, you are absolutely free to use the pictures, any of them, against me at any time in any way ;)
[01:13] <jenda> I don't mind bad things being said about me, if they're true, and pictures have the awesome quality of always being true ;)
[01:13] <beuno> hahahaha
[01:14] <beuno> I don't think I got any of those "use against" pictures, but I most definitely will have fun spreadng random rumors   :D
[01:14] <beuno> "marketing wizz feeds only on beer"
[01:15] <jenda> hehehe
[01:15] <jenda> Just please don't tell Vorian.
[01:15] <jenda> oops.
[01:15] <jenda> :)
[01:16] <beuno> I would assume Vorian already suspects...
[01:17] <Vorian> wha?
[01:17] <Vorian> :)
[01:17] <beuno> Vorian: that jenda feeds excusively on beer
[01:18] <Vorian> you're right beuno, I already knew :D
[01:18] <beuno> and occasianal tea to help with the dehydration
[01:18] <beuno> see  :D
[01:19] <beuno> and contrary to popular belief, jenda is way over 1m of height, I'd even say he might reach 1.1m when it's humid
[01:20] <jenda> Hahahhahaha :D
[01:21] <jenda> And beuno is a passionate hitchhiker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asciigirl/686834304/
[01:21] <beuno> hahaha, I knew that would eventually come up...
[01:22] <beuno> hey jono
[01:24] <beuno> jono: me and jenda have something we would like to run by you
[01:25] <jenda> We've been secretly plotting ;)
[01:33] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[01:33] <jenda> heya, Burgundavia :)
[01:33] <beuno> hey Burgundavia!    I've gotten jenda on board the spec I did a few weeks ago
[01:34] <beuno> the UDS thingie
[01:34] <Burgundavia> right
[01:34] <beuno> so we're sneaking up on jono now   :D
[01:34] <beuno> join the fun!
[01:37] <beuno> Burgundavia: I got back to madrid yesterday after a 4 day visit to jenda, so I should be back to normal with the UWN in the next few days
[01:37] <Burgundavia> cool
[01:37] <Burgundavia> I will finish the UWN tomorrow
[01:37] <Burgundavia> I was crazy busy over the weekend at my parents helping them construct a shed
[01:38] <beuno> I will probably will be able to work on it tonight, I'm heading down south today for a 3 day buissnes trip, should have wifi at the hotel
[01:38] <beuno> Burgundavia: aaah, I didn't know you where the "handy" type...    :D
[01:38] <beuno> er, brb
[01:39] <Burgundavia> more the available type
[01:44] <jenda> hehe
[02:05] <jenda> beuno: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JendaVancura
[02:05] <jenda> Upgraded :D
[02:06] <beuno> jenda: buahahhahaa
[02:06] <beuno> great picture...
[04:04] <jenda> juliux: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=491086
[04:04] <jenda> juliux: I've been advertising you :)
[04:05] <juliux> jenda, thxs
[04:05] <jenda> juliux: seen the picture? :D
[04:05] <juliux> jenda, but i can send out any shirts untile middle of august
[04:06] <jenda> juliux: post a reply in the thread, then!
[04:06] <juliux> jenda, i will try it


[14:43] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:55] <alkisg> Good morning sbalneav
[14:56] <sbalneav> How's the weather in Greece?
[14:56] <sbalneav> We're expecting between 5-10 cm of snow over the next 24 hours :)
[14:57] <alkisg> Ooooh... I'm jealous :)
[14:57] <alkisg> Here's it's just rain... can't go skiing :(
[15:12] <stgraber> sbalneav: bah bah, that's nothing ;)
[15:13] <stgraber> sbalneav: though, interesting, according to my gnome weather applet, it's colder in Winnipeg than in Sherbrooke today
[15:13] <sbalneav> What's it like in La Belle Provence?
[15:13] <sbalneav> It's actually not too bad here.
[15:13] <sbalneav> -9's not anything to get too worried about.
[15:13] <stgraber> it was -15C yesterday but it's only -6C at the moment here and we had 5-6cm yesterday + the lot we had the week before
[15:14] <sbalneav> Ah, -6's pretty good.
[15:14] <stgraber> yep, feels like summer :)
[15:14] <sbalneav> I don't generally tend to get feeling it's too "cold" until it drops below about -20
[15:14] <sbalneav> THEN it starts getting nippy.
[15:15] <stgraber> yeah, on the 31st last year it was something like -25 or -30 here, that's really really cold :)
[17:56] <sbalneav> Meeting on in 5?
[17:56] <sbalneav> Just gonna run out and grab a sammich
[18:15] <sbalneav> No meeting?
[18:29] <stgraber> sbalneav: nope, that's in 30min
[18:29] <stgraber> sbalneav: 19UTC
[18:34] <sbalneav> yeah, mail was in =-dev
[18:49] <stgraber> meeting in 10min (#ubuntu-meeting)
[18:50] <sbalneav> Phht, I been there for the last hour you slackers :)
[18:51] <stgraber> "not my fault" (tm) :)
[18:53] <sbalneav> I preferr the Cleaseau-esq "That's not my dog"
[18:55] <stgraber> hehe
[18:55] <sbalneav> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o
[18:57]  * highvoltage gets some coffee before it's too late
[18:58] <sbalneav> darned kids
[18:59] <stgraber> fun youtube video :)
[19:01] <sbalneav> It's a running joke at Legal Aid Systems Department.  If something isn't our problem, we say "That's not my dog"
[19:02] <highvoltage> stgraber: lol
[19:27] <pmfranco> Hello everybody
[19:27] <sbalneav> Hello
[19:44] <mhall119|work> hey guys, Qimo just lost it's last USA mirror host, do you think Canonical would be willing to provide mirror space?  and if so, who should I ask about that?
[19:45] <sbalneav> Not sure.
[19:48] <stgraber> mhall119|work: IIRC there's a link on the mirror page of launchpad to contact the mirror admins, maybe you can get in touch with a mirror admin this way
[19:48] <stgraber> mhall119|work: otherwise you can try #canonical-sysadmin but that's mostly the tech guys here, not sure they can do much in your case
[19:48] <stgraber> mhall119|work: do you still have mirrors somewhere else ?
[19:49] <stgraber> (Canonical will likely be in Europe, I don't think they mirror in the US at all)
[19:49] <mhall119|work> stgraber: yeah, in S. America and Europe
[19:49] <mhall119|work> I'm looking at kernel.org now, might be able to get on with them
[20:09] <pmfranco> hi people
[20:09] <pmfranco> i would like to star a kubunut community in my country Ecuador
[20:09] <pmfranco> wath we should do???
[20:10] <pmfranco> any idea
[20:10] <alkisg> kubuntu? Why don't you ask in #kubuntu then?
[20:11] <pmfranco> pardon,
[20:11] <pmfranco> is edubuntu community
[20:13] <alkisg> Yeah, edubuntu has a community, and it's community driven... So you want to start an edubuntu loco team? Or an ubuntu loco team?
[20:14] <pmfranco> Well, the locoteam Ubuntu Ecuador exist
[20:14] <pmfranco> but, we need a Edubuntu LUG for the teachers, students, and others
[20:15] <pmfranco> we use edubuntu at schools, university, etc
[20:16] <pmfranco> do you know any channel of edubuntu in spanish, please
[20:19]  * alkisg doesn't know...
[20:19] <stgraber> we used to have edubuntu-es but I don't think it's active anymore
[20:19] <stgraber> maybe some spanish speaking Locos may have some edubuntu guys around (though I don't remember of one)
[20:21] <pmfranco> any idea o star our edubuntu community, or contact in spanish???
[20:23] <stgraber> I guess best is to see if you have Loco members active in education and do a spin-off of your Loco for education
[20:24] <pmfranco> i understang, a community of edubuntu inside of our LoCo Team Ubuntu Ecuador
[20:24] <pmfranco> is correct???
[20:28] <stgraber> yep, that'd be the easy way to set it up
[20:29] <pmfranco> thanks, i'll do it
[20:30] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: I haven't figured out xplash myself yet, but I need to do so for a bunch of other stuff
[20:30] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: cool, we can learn it together
[20:30] <mhall119|work> USplash wasn't that hard, but it's pretty basic too
[20:31] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: so as I figure it out we can compare notes yes
[20:31] <highvoltage> yes usplash is ok
[20:31] <mhall119|work> is Lucid going to have both USplash and XSplash still, like Karmic?  Or will USplash be dropped?
[20:32] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: afaik lucid is going to use plymouth, it's a *lot* smoother than usplash. I don't think it actually uses usplash
[20:32] <mhall119|work> plymouth?  I thought they didn't like that
[20:32] <mhall119|work> I thought XSplash was the alternative to plymouth
[20:32] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: I think xsplash is going to stay though, not sure if plymouth replaces that either. stgraber played with plymouth on LTSP yesterday
[20:33] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: well, things change... fast :)
[20:33] <mhall119|work> does plymouth run on X11, or the kernel frame buffeR?
[20:33] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: well, it uses KMS (kernel mode switching), so I guess it uses both
[20:33] <mhall119|work> it may not use X11
[20:34] <mhall119|work> KMS doesn't need it
[20:34] <highvoltage> well it fades into your X session when your X session is ready
[20:34] <highvoltage> so I guess there's some integration there
[20:34] <mhall119|work> ah, then it's probably built on X
[20:34] <mhall119|work> I don't think KMS can do fading between
[20:36] <highvoltage> it may be that kms brings up X without any mode changes or flashes and then X does the fading, I'm not sure, I haven't played with it myself yet, but I'm installing lucid on an extra laptop and see what it does
[20:37] <mhall119|work> sbalneav: does nanny to web content filtering?
[21:07] <stgraber> highvoltage: xplash will likely be replaced by plymouth X support
[21:08] <stgraber> highvoltage: I tried it and it works fine and so did Keybuk, so I expect it to be the logical replacement of xsplash
[21:27] <sbalneav> mhall119|work: Dunno yet.
[21:27] <sbalneav> lemme look
[21:28] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: ^^^
[21:29] <sbalneav> mhall119|work: http://git.gnome.org/browse/nanny/tree/help/nanny.xml
[21:29] <sbalneav> looks like access to websites, but not content filtering.
[21:29] <sbalneav> use dansguardian for that.
[21:30] <alkisg> So what's the key reason to use nanny? PC time limits?
[21:31] <sbalneav> prolly
[21:31] <sbalneav> heading home, be on later.
[21:31] <alkisg> If it does a good work at that, I'll use it for my kids :D (but not at school, no reason there...)
[21:33] <alkisg> Hmmm editing docbooks with openoffice... http://xml.openoffice.org/xmerge/docbook/UserGuide.html
[21:34] <alkisg> Since I'm mostly using openoffice, it wouldn't be a bad idea to use the template offered there, for easier docbook exporting...


[04:12] <holstein> OvenWerks: i hope so
[04:36] <OvenWerks> holstein: dual monitors has been one of the missing links in our distro. Arandr has always been a temporary solution.
[04:36] <OvenWerks> At least I knew that :)
[04:36] <holstein> in xfce, it seems
[04:37] <OvenWerks> Ya, but at the time even in unity.
[04:38] <OvenWerks> I am still not completely happy with what unity does either, but it is more usable
[04:38] <holstein> well, it works
[04:38] <holstein> im not happy with unity much, but the tools function
[04:39] <OvenWerks> As long as you want their default. Unity has the man power
[04:39] <holstein> yup.. the dev team at work, and doing amazing things on short notice, i think
[04:41] <OvenWerks> I wonder what signal xorg sends when a second monitor shows up
[04:41] <holstein> we could ask the unity folks.. that works great in unity
[04:43] <OvenWerks> I am not sure if it is there or part of gnome.
[04:44] <holstein> thats true.. could just come from upstream
[04:44] <OvenWerks> unity is still based on the gnome libs/settings
[04:44] <holstein> for now...
[04:44] <holstein> wonder if that will change
[04:45] <OvenWerks> zequence should know if it works on gnome, he runs gnome shell
[04:45] <OvenWerks> I'll ask when next he is here.
[04:53] <OvenWerks> Actually I should just look in xorg
[05:53] <OvenWerks> Playing some more with xrandr and dual monitors.
[05:55] <OvenWerks> well I'm pretending, I can get this video card to think I have hotpluged a monitor in by loading the greeen channel.
[05:56] <OvenWerks> I can see the possitions with arandr or xrandr (one is visual and the other numbers
[05:58] <OvenWerks> Anyway, the unity default of --right-of is probably best. It keeps the pannel on the same monitor, going --left-of moves the pannel to the second monitor.
[12:33] <madeinkobaia> Hi all, does someone have some news from zequence ?
[13:45] <OvenWerks> madeinkobaia: I would guess that he went riding for the weekend and his server quit.
[13:46] <OvenWerks> yes it is unusual that he is not here
[14:01] <madeinkobaia> OvenWerks : Hi Len, thanks for the feedback. Hope everything is ok by him side.
[14:06] <OvenWerks> yup
[14:08] <OvenWerks> To be honest, it is good to think he is doing gomething other than looking at the computer
[14:50] <madeinkobaia> OvenWerks : Yep, for sure.
[14:57] <OvenWerks> zequence: do you ever use dual monitors?
[14:57] <zequence> Reinstalling server, so that's why I haven't been online
[14:57] <zequence> OvenWerks, I used to
[14:57] <zequence> Not since I started using my TV as a monitor
[14:58] <OvenWerks> I was wondering if gnome shell has the same display set up as unity
[14:58] <OvenWerks> Mainly if a hotpluged second monitor default to right-of
[14:58] <zequence> It used to be different anyway
[14:59] <zequence> Well, not in that way though
[14:59] <zequence> You need to set it to be right of
[14:59] <OvenWerks> I am wondering if there is any reason not to default to right-of
[15:00] <OvenWerks> That is is there any use case for mirror?
[15:00] <OvenWerks> (AKA same-as)
[15:01] <zequence> If there wasn't I don't think it would be given as an option
[15:01] <zequence> Also, it highly depends on your graphic card how you set that up
[15:02] <OvenWerks> I am thinking of free drivers (xrandr compatable)
[15:17] <OvenWerks> zequence: The mani plus I can see for same-as is that it doesn't change the screen size. (this is not strictly true but it has the least change anyway) It certainly uses the least amount of memory.
[17:10] <holstein> i think its interesting, on the heels of the open desktop support, to think about what cory was bringing up a few releases ago
[17:10] <holstein> not really having an actual "ubuntustudio".. but, what he said was PPA's
[17:11] <holstein> i didnt really understand that, since we couldnt be "official" and have ppa's.. but i was thinkin meta-packages
[17:11] <holstein> its something we could discuss..
[17:12] <holstein> it really upset me at the time, because we had only a few folks, and had scrambled to make iso testing happen, and put out some fires.. and he came in about 2 weeks before release time and made that suggestion
[17:12] <holstein> after we had already done all the work... but, i think its an interesting idea to entertain
[17:12] <holstein> just adding ubuntustudio to whatever distro you want
[17:12] <holstein> i dont think most folks understand how it works anyways.. like the last question in the support channel.. "running ubuntustudio on nonPAE"
[17:13] <holstein> any, google search of ubuntu and nonPAE brings up tons of information... but if folks dont (and i really think they dont) realize that ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, then i think its unclear where to look for help
[17:14] <holstein> not that going to meta-packages necessarily would simplify that and bring any clarity
[17:14] <holstein> the other option would be to have ubuntutsudio-unity, ubuntustudio-gnome.. iso's and meta packages
[17:15] <holstein> i dont think we have the man-power for that right now.. though the way it is suggested in the list makes sense.. if you want to test and support it, we can have it
[17:31] <OvenWerks> holstein: I think we are trying for a middle road :)
[17:31] <OvenWerks> We really would like (and our users would like) to be able to offer custom installs
[17:32] <OvenWerks> That is, not having to install all of the workflows, just those you need.
[17:32] <OvenWerks> The DE options would be an extension of that.
[17:33] <OvenWerks> holstein: TBH, one of the biggest problems we have with the audio Workflow and installing it on other flavours... is getting RT/low latency to work OOTB
[17:34] <OvenWerks> I really don't know how this applies to othger workflows like video.
[17:36] <OvenWerks> I don't know if anyone in the linux world has really spent time optimizing a machine for video work (creation) aside from the game boys
[17:36] <holstein> OvenWerks: i like the middle road, but i was just thinking, if it solved all the issues, and helped us, since we are small-ish
[17:36] <holstein> what we do is challenging
[17:37] <holstein> OvenWerks: getting that working on OSX ootb is challenging
[17:37] <holstein> on windows.. etc
[17:37] <OvenWerks> There are reatively few apps that use video realtime
[17:37] <holstein> the other OS's typically dont even have that option.. the "major" ones right now
[17:37] <holstein> iso and android for example
[17:37] <OvenWerks> Making Studio metas work right with other flavours could be chalenging too
[17:37] <holstein> what we are taking on, strictly from a complete outside perspective is challenging
[17:38] <OvenWerks> Yes.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> Packaging a DE meta allows control of things that might affect HW performance.
[17:40] <OvenWerks> The downside is that the flavours come with a better asortment of desktop apps, but we would have to ship something pretty stripped as we do with xfce
[18:10] <DarkEra> A Studio distro shouldn't come with loads of desktop apps, so stripped down would be better
[18:11] <holstein> well, thats arguable, and comes up a lot
[18:14] <OvenWerks> DarkEra: holstein, if we are shipping DE metas they will have to stripped down. The question is where to draw that line.
[18:14] <OvenWerks> zequence: I think I am going to revive the ubuntustudio-menu meta.
[18:15] <OvenWerks> My thinking is that we should be able to leave the DE menu setup mostly alone
[18:16] <OvenWerks> We just want to replace multi-media, graphics etc. with our workflow bit.
[18:16] <OvenWerks> Also I think people still install that meta expecting our new menu to be there
[18:43] <OvenWerks> holstein: would it be worthwhile adding extra app installers for some of the desktop stuff we don't ship?
[18:43] <holstein> OvenWerks: maybe.. i mean, the software center *is* that app
[18:43] <OvenWerks> Should they be distro specific?
[18:43] <holstein> i think we should focus on the distro that we like, and support, and making that work well
[18:44] <OvenWerks> USC is big ugly and slow... hope it gets better
[18:44] <holstein> and go from there, as needed
[18:46] <OvenWerks> Ya everything has to work with xfce.
[18:54] <OvenWerks> Just as a point of interest... Some of the packages like blender that crash X on studio seem to work fine in KDE
[18:54] <OvenWerks> Same machine.
[18:56] <holstein> also, is qt where we are heading?
[18:56] <holstein> in general?
[18:56] <OvenWerks> We? Ubuntu? It seems that way
[18:56] <OvenWerks> debian? I don't know.
[18:57] <holstein> thats true...
[18:57] <OvenWerks> Studio has to be able to run whatever the workflow items come in.
[18:57] <OvenWerks> Some apps can be picked and chosen by the lib they use because there is more than one
[18:58] <OvenWerks> I can't see us not including ardour because of what libs it uses though
[18:58] <OvenWerks> (as a quick example)
[18:59] <OvenWerks> I know mudita24 is not QT, but I need it for my sound card
[19:00] <holstein> right
[19:02] <holstein> im installing antergos right now... the new cinnarch
[19:03] <holstein> you get to choose from gnome, cinnamon, xfce and razorQT
[19:03] <holstein> the installer lets you choose that
[19:03] <holstein> suse does something like that as well.. i think thats a great idea, though, i can imagine the support gets challenging
[19:04] <OvenWerks> Thats what we want to do, but are hoping to lean on the ubuntu flavour pretty heavy I think.
[19:05] <OvenWerks> In other words our KDE, for example, will try to be as close to kubuntu as it can just with a few less apps
[19:06] <OvenWerks> xubuntu is already talking about offering a minimal and a "full" version as two isos
[19:07]  * OvenWerks doesn't know how far from dream it is though
[19:09] <OvenWerks> holstein: from my POV, it would be great to have a meta that just fixes the RT/lowlatency stuff in the other flavours. Then just install Studio on top.
[19:11] <OvenWerks> Our ISO would then be xfce. An install time option could install kubuntu, gubuntu, lubuntu or ubuntu metas along with it.
[19:13] <OvenWerks> zequence: I was wondering if we could use a "replaces" in our low latency kernel?
[19:13] <holstein> OvenWerks: im unclear why its not working
[19:13] <holstein> OvenWerks: seems like if someone installs JACK, that should just happen
[19:14] <holstein> jack, or the lowlatency kernel
[19:14] <OvenWerks> Ya, but from the support channel it seems not.
[19:14] <holstein> OvenWerks: and ardour
[19:14] <holstein> the #ardour channel*
[19:15] <OvenWerks> We need more people, it takes time to install a flavour, install packages on top then test and trouble shoot
[19:15] <holstein> yup
[19:16] <holstein> im fine with volunteers coming along to help with each
[19:16] <holstein> i might be able to head up LXDE.. i do a lot with another LXDE distro
[19:16] <OvenWerks> Sure. That should be the easiest
[19:16] <holstein> maybe we can talk falk into the KDE one
[19:17] <holstein> get zequence on the gnome one
[19:17] <holstein> OvenWerks: someone should look are razorQT
[19:17] <holstein> is mate coming? or going?
[19:17] <OvenWerks> falktx tends to want to hack at too many stock KDE apps.
[19:18] <OvenWerks> I would concider mate not an option. I would rather support cinnamon
[19:18] <holstein> thats where i am as well, though cinammon might be on the way out
[19:19] <OvenWerks> Luke (from the mailing list) want to do a cinnamon version.
[19:19] <holstein> i like that idea
[19:19] <OvenWerks> It could always turn into a gnome classic which may replace it
[19:19] <DarkEra> cinnamon is great but on the other hand just a fork of gnome3/gnome shell
[19:20] <holstein> chich could make it easier to deal with
[19:20] <holstein> which*
[19:20] <OvenWerks> I know. But at least it uses up to date libs
[19:20] <holstein> hey.. if someone wants to support it, i say let em
[19:21] <DarkEra> i don't have a problem with it :)
[19:21] <OvenWerks> I think a lot of the stuff made for it would work with gnome 3 in classic mode anyway... (with the classic extension I guess)
[19:22] <DarkEra> you should ask glebihan about that, he's involved in mint
[19:22] <DarkEra> and cinnamon
[19:23] <OvenWerks> Too far down my list :) I will probably work on kde and maybe some lxde if needed
[19:24] <DarkEra> hehehe :)
[19:24] <OvenWerks> I have partitions for xfce, lxde and kde on here now
[19:25] <DarkEra> how big are the partitions?
[19:25] <DarkEra> i might need to add some myself soon, that's why i ask :)
[19:25] <holstein> for a testing install? 8 or 10 should do.. depends on what you want in there
[19:27] <DarkEra> once Gnome 3 saucy is fixed i need to set up another one for sure
[19:27] <OvenWerks> They are all about 20g
[19:27] <DarkEra> OvenWerks, ok, cool :)
[19:28] <OvenWerks> I made them a bit bigger that needed in case I want to add some development stuff
[19:28] <holstein> with 20, you could test some audio sessions too, if needed
[19:29] <holstein> i think im going to setup some minimal ubuntu sessions in vbox on my big rig
[19:29] <OvenWerks> kubuntu for example is using 38%
[19:29] <OvenWerks> I have added the video meta so far
[19:31] <DarkEra> if my netbook wasn't so weak i would use that for dev stuff
[19:33] <OvenWerks> Thats where I do mine.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> But I do mostly settings and meta creation
[19:33] <OvenWerks> text stuff
[19:37] <DarkEra> what kind of netbook is it you have?
[19:43] <OvenWerks> Acer about 2-3 years old
[19:43] <OvenWerks> 1G mem, 1.6Ghz single core
[19:45] <DarkEra> aspire one 150 ZG5?
[19:49] <OvenWerks> No, it a 250
[19:49] <OvenWerks> The fix for display not working that works for the 150 doesn't work for me :P
[21:30] <zequence> I'm kind of starting to think perhaps offering settings for all DEs would be better than supplying metas for them
[21:31] <zequence> And, there's a slight difference between the flavor meta, and the DE meta
[21:32] <zequence> Like, there's a meta for XFCE, and one for Xubuntu desktop
[21:32] <zequence> Also, KDE, and Kubuntu
[21:32] <zequence> et
[21:32] <zequence> etc
[21:32] <zequence> Well, just a thought so far
[22:06] <OvenWerks> zequence: It would certainly be nice to be able to just use what is available.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> zequence: either the free nvidio driver has been fixed or I have had a problem with our xfce install. It seems that any of the apps I have not been able to run in studio work ok in kubuntu.
[22:12] <OvenWerks> I have yet to install the lowlatency kernel, thats next
[23:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: kernel in kubuntu 3.9.0-2-generic, ours is 3.8.0-19-lowlatency?
[23:21] <OvenWerks> Huh, Jack won't start RT... Nothing in our meta install to add the user to audio. Can we add that to the audio meta install script?
[23:54] <OvenWerks> Kmix is harder to change PA sink on than pavucontrol