[00:04] <dave_mwi> my computer won't wake from suspend. I've tried a number of different things researching online, but still no luck.  it seems like it starts to wake up, but stops. In /var/log/syslog is: PM: Hibernation image not present or could not be loaded.
[00:06] <dave_mwi> but I've checked  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume and it has the right device in it...my swap device
[00:08] <shake_> someone mind helping a newbie with some ubuntu desktop issues?
[00:09] <skinofstars> does anyone know a good way of setting enviroment variables that are available to both root and standard users?
[00:09] <skinofstars> like, not in /etc/environment
[00:12] <bekks> skinofstars: /etc/profile
[00:13] <shake_> are you able to run gui in virtualbox?
[00:13] <bekks> shake_: Yes.
[00:14] <skinofstars> bekks: brilliant! thanks you!!!
[00:16] <shake_> bekks i try to run startx however i am getting errors unable to connect to X server
[00:17] <bekks> shake_: Because startx is deprecated for a long time meanwhile.
[00:18] <conall> bekks, what should be used instead of startx??
[00:19] <bekks> conall: Use a display manager like lightdm, gdm, kdm, etc., for starting an X session.
[00:19] <conall> ah right. I see Thanks
[00:19] <kingbeowolf> whats the settings program called in ubuntu?
[00:20] <kingbeowolf> in unity
[00:20] <bekks> kingbeowolf: unity-control-center ?
[00:20] <kingbeowolf> i can't find it after i installed KDE and it seems my default programs aren't being set by the KDE default applications manager
[00:21] <kingbeowolf> bekks, maybe that isn't it... how can i set Kate as the default program to open files instead of gedit?
[00:23] <shake_> what is unity, probably stupid question by mind you i'm diving head first into linux
[00:23] <bekks> shake_: It is a desktop environment.
[00:24] <Beldar> kingbeowolf, easiest is right click a text-properties-open with
[00:27] <shake_> bekks, i thought it be best to dive into linux with ubuntu then read about ubuntu tv and ran the proper package under ubuntu server in virtual box and this is where i am at. Just wondering how do i launch into gui from vbox which had me install unity-2d
[00:28] <iBelieve> I have a MacBook Pro running Ubuntu 14.04, and I'm trying to swap my Ctrl and Super keys so they match how OS X uses them. I've tried using xmodmap, but all it's done is make it so I have to hold both Cmd + Ctrl to open the Dash, without making Cmd = Ctrl and Ctrl Super. Here is my .Xmodmap: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7713814/
[00:29] <iBelieve> Am I doing something wrong?
[00:42] <dark_ninjuh> whats the latest version of ubuntu?
[00:45] <sadistic1heart> hi all
[00:45] <sadistic1heart> hi piglit
[00:46] <dave_mwi> pastebin of /var/log/syslog grepping 'PM' http://paste.ubuntu.com/7713868/
[00:46] <dave_mwi> system hangs and doesn't wake up fully from suspend
[00:47] <dave_mwi> i've tried a number of things...not sure what else to do. if i can't get this straightened out I'll probably have to look at some other distros...this seems to be a pretty frequent issue with Ubuntu
[00:48] <sadistic1heart> bye all
[00:50] <convict> How can I install gnome-shell themes with gnome-tweak-tool in 14.04? It has a exclemation point next to it and no drop down list.
[00:51] <Bashing-om> darken: Latest release is 14.04 (trusty tahr) and in devlopment is 14.10 .
[00:52] <xangua> convict: extract the themes in your ~home/.themes directory
[00:53] <convict> xangua, i did that but I can't select them in gnome-tweak-tool unless I'm missing something.
[00:53] <iBelieve> convict, you probably need to install the gnome shell themes extension to install themes
[00:53] <convict> iBelieve, how do I do that
[00:53] <iBelieve> convict, I'm not sure of the package name, I will try to find it
[00:54] <iBelieve> convict, try this extension: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/19/user-themes/
[00:55] <dave_mwi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7713868/
[00:56] <iBelieve> I have a MacBook Pro running Ubuntu 14.04, and I'm trying to swap my Ctrl and Super keys so they match how OS X uses them. I've tried using xmodmap, but all it's done is make it so I have to hold both Cmd + Ctrl to open the Dash, without making Cmd = Ctrl and Ctrl Super. Here is my .Xmodmap: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7713814/ What am I doing wrong?
[00:56] <convict> iBelieve, no dice :/
[00:56] <desktop> http://s7.postimg.org/lwsdpsn4b/desktop.png    can anyone tell me how to remove the user menu in the main menu its ubuntu 14.04 with fallback mode
[00:57] <iBelieve> convict, you still get the disabled selector and orange triangle?
[00:57] <convict> yep
[00:58] <iBelieve> convict, have you tried restarting Tweak Tool?
[00:58] <Beldar> dave_mwi, Never had a problem with suspend since 6.04 and at least 3 different computers. So telling us you may switch to another distro means what here and to us?
[00:58] <convict> iBelieve, yep
[00:58] <Beldar> started at 6.04 by the way dave_mwi
[00:59] <dave_mwi> Beldar: I never said a majority of Ubuntu users are experiencing it, but a simple Google search yields many results as a common issue. Consider yourself lucky that it's not affecting your system. Nothing seems to fix it.
[01:00] <Beldar> dave_mwi, And simple statistics says you will primarily see errors on a web search.
[01:00] <desktop> http://s7.postimg.org/lwsdpsn4b/desktop.png    can anyone tell me how to remove the user menu in the main menu its ubuntu 14.04 with fallback mode
[01:00] <iBelieve> convict, how about trying sudo apt-get install gnome-shell-extensions
[01:00] <Beldar> dave_mwi, That is a some bad assumptions
[01:01] <dave_mwi> Beldar: and what do the stats say about getting meaningful answers in the #ubuntu IRC room?
[01:01] <Beldar> dave_mwi, No idea, been here about 5 years helped thousands, how about you?
[01:01] <iBelieve> convict, once you install the extension, you may need to activate it in Tweak Took
[01:02] <dave_mwi> Beldar: been here a few times, and no one has ever helped. That's why I have two other systems with Mint and Fedora on them with no issues and help from many in those communities. Once again Ubuntu is proving to be dissapointing. And it's not so much the system or the setup - that can be resolved with meaningful support - it's always been the community with Ubuntu.
[01:03] <gr33n7007h> desktop, try alt+right click => move from panel ?
[01:03] <convict> iBelieve, i dont see it in tweaktools
[01:03] <__equinox> why is it with one of my user that I've set rbash
[01:03] <__equinox> I always get -rbash: cd: restricted
[01:03] <__equinox> why can't I cd to any folder inside this user's home directory
[01:04] <Beldar> dave_mwi, If you are disappointed and have an opinion why are you using it and here?
[01:04] <iBelieve> convict, hmm, I'm not sure what else to try. Maybe someone else here in the channel will be able to help you. You could also try searching askubuntu.com and see if any answers there will help you. Sorry I can't be of more help
[01:05] <desktop> thanks for your reply gr33n but that wont work
[01:05] <desktop> Ive gone through dconf etc and unticked show user name etc but for some reason the user menu wont go away on the main menu
[01:06] <gr33n7007h> desktop, I meant on the menu icon itself
[01:06] <desktop> yea i tried that
[01:06] <dave_mwi> Beldar: Benefit of the doubt, probably. But once again, you are proof and validation of why every time I've installed Ubuntu, I've left it. You seem sincere, but it's too bad that your sincerity isn't directed at offering possible solutions to what I'm having a problem with - but at seemingly trying to tell me that I don't a problem - I guess because most of the pages on google from my result are in error.
[01:06] <Beldar> dave_mwi, Honestly linux is a self sufficiency system, figure it out than help others.
[01:06] <desktop> alt and rick click on the item doesnt bring up a menu
[01:07] <desktop> like move or delete etc
[01:07] <gr33n7007h> desktop, when you just right click on the menu does the Edit Menus not show?
[01:07] <Beldar> dave_mwi, If I new the answer I might have helped except for the confirmation bias diatribe. ;)
[01:07] <desktop> yes .. but the user mneu is not listed in that
[01:07] <desktop> just all the main menu items
[01:08] <gr33n7007h> hmmm...
[01:08] <Beldar> dave_mwi, Your comments at the beginning which I questioned would have had you in my ignore anyway, no facts just fud.
[01:09] <dave_mwi> Beldar: the pastebin of my syslog, or the content of my /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume are not facts? Interesting.
[01:10] <desktop> thanks for your help ... its very frustrasting.. if i untick it in dconf it removes the usermenu from the indicator panel on the right but not in the main menu.... if i add the main menu bar and not just the menu icon its not there but i want to use the icon main menu and not the bar menu
[01:11] <desktop> i reckon its a bug or something thta wasnt allow to be achieved in the fallback mode
[01:11] <desktop> Ill try to search the menu config and hack it someway
[01:11] <shake_> can you create acl for sshd
[01:11] <dave_mwi> Beldar: maybe it was my made up offer of having /var/log/pm-suspend.log content?
[01:12] <gr33n7007h> desktop, good luck I can't even try myself as not on ubuntu at the min
[01:12] <desktop> no problem .. but thanks for trying to help me
[01:13] <dave_mwi> *shaking head* amazing...going over to the Mint room. They might be willing to help
[01:14] <__equinox> why can't I cd to any directory when I use rbash
[01:36] <MartynKeigher> Hey all... having a few issue install the Ruby Gem 'nokogiri'. Error states that i need libxml2 v2.6.21 or later, but if i run apt-get install libxml2 it says its already upto date!?
[01:36] <MartynKeigher> any ideas?? Thanks
[01:51] <Guest22458> can I give oral to a 14 1/2 y/o girl as a 16 y/o
[01:51] <Guest22458> just askin
[01:51] <Beldar> !ops | Guest22458
[01:51] <Guest22458> !ops
[01:51] <Guest22458> !ops | Beldar
[01:52] <Guest22458> !ops | Derek
[01:52] <Guest22458> can I give oral to a 14 1/2 y/o girl as a 16 y/o
[01:52] <Guest22458> thanks
[01:56] <sadpuppy> ubottu> Derek: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, PriceChild, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, k1l, rww, phunyguy
[01:57] <IdleOne> sadpuppy: please don't do that
[01:57] <sadpuppy> fer sure redneck
[02:01] <Gar5> Why is it that Ubuntu still keeps some basic bugs, which persist since 13.xx ?
[02:02] <Gar5> Debian got them fixed long ago...
[02:02] <phunyguy> Gar5: you can help fix them....
[02:02] <jrib> Gar5: what kind of answer are you expecting? Read the comments on the bug tracker for the bugs in question
[02:03] <Gar5> Indeed I help some people as good as I can, because they have already been "solved", just not applied...
[02:04] <Gar5> phunyguy, this is no direct critique... you could also answer me "make your own distro"... Man, I love Ubuntu... that's why I'm just concerned
[02:04] <holstein> !contribute
[02:05] <Gar5> thanks... I'm there and I help newcomers with their problems, at least as good as i can...
[02:06] <insigne> oii
[02:06] <jrib> Gar5: keep in mind ubuntu 14.04 takes a snapshot of debian early on and then builds on that.  So if fixes made it to debian after that snapshot, then they may have not been made in time to get pulled into ubuntu
[02:07] <holstein> those changes could be backported, which is something that one could contribute to
[02:08] <phunyguy> since this isn't directly related to a support issue, I say we take it to -offtopic. :)
[02:08] <Gar5> Thanks jrib. But, just as examples, take the mouse and contrast switch memory... have to change them after each reboot...
[02:08] <jrib> Gar5: have you found the bug # for it?
[02:11] <linuxuz3r> how do i administer services in ubuntu 14.04
[02:11] <linuxuz3r> i would like to use cli method
[02:11] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, sudo
[02:11] <jrib> linuxuz3r: depends on whether the service is old-style sys-v-init or upstart
[02:11] <phunyguy> linuxuz3r: the service comman...
[02:11] <phunyguy> command*
[02:12] <linuxuz3r> jrib there are some files in /etc/init/
[02:13] <linuxuz3r> so i dont know if it uses sysvinit or upstart
[02:13] <linuxuz3r> sysvinit is systemd?
[02:13] <phunyguy> no.
[02:13] <jrib> linuxuz3r: no
[02:13] <GEEGEEGEE> Im having trouble getting the ATI drivers to work. http://pastebin.com/4e6bJ8Uk
[02:13] <jrib> linuxuz3r: what kind of things did you want to do before when you said "administer"?
[02:13] <Gar5> jrib: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/896595
[02:14] <linuxuz3r> well i just want to learn the internals of ubuntu
[02:14] <linuxuz3r> and also kill unwanted services
[02:15] <jrib> linuxuz3r: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ you can read about manual overrides to see how to disable services
[02:15] <Beldar> GEEGEEGEE, what are these, 49 not upgraded?
[02:15] <linuxuz3r> also is apparmor the front end for selinux
[02:15] <jrib> linuxuz3r: don't disable things unless you know for sure what they do
[02:15] <jrib> linuxuz3r: no, different project (but similar goals)
[02:15] <jrib> !apparmor | linuxuz3r
[02:15] <phunyguy> linuxuz3r: no it is a seperate thing
[02:16] <zaxius> ubuntu just did a couple updates, including the kernel, and now when i launch firefox i get a ton of stuff in the error console, which i didn't even know was a thing. anyone else have similar issues?
[02:16] <zaxius> the firefox error console, i assume it is
[02:16] <kingbeowolf> im trying to compile my project but I was curious how I can make sure my project points to a local directory rather then the library from my package system?
[02:17] <jrib> kingbeowolf: that depends on your build system
[02:17] <holstein> zaxius: would you mind launching the guest account? and testing firefox?
[02:17] <zaxius> the guest account in ubuntu?
[02:17] <zaxius> holstein,
[02:17] <kingbeowolf> jrib, qmake in my .pro file
[02:18] <Omega9> hi I just installed netrunner which is a variant of ubuntu(i think). anyone know what program I can use to find out what services starts up on boot?
[02:18] <holstein> zaxius: the guest user account.. you you mind to login as the guest user on your machine and test firefox, please
[02:18] <lord-destruction> hello speak spanish
[02:18] <jrib> Omega9: i don't know what netrunner is, but try their support channel; this channel is only for official ubuntu distros
[02:18] <phunyguy> !es | lord-destruction
[02:18] <zaxius> holstein, sure, how do i get to the guest account? i have it set up so it automatically logs me in on boot so i don't see any user options. if i log out will i see Guest?
[02:18] <holstein> Omega9: you should try stock ubuntu, if just live... they (netrunner, or whatever) can change a lot of the system from ubuntu, and we wont be able to support
[02:19] <Omega9> oh ok
[02:19] <holstein> zaxius: i would logout and see if the login screen shows it..
[02:19] <zaxius> holstein, ok hang on
[02:19] <zaxius> holstein, thanks
[02:20] <zaxius> i guess he didn't want to try #ubuntu-es...
[02:22] <zaxius> holstein, this is on all the errors btw: Timestamp: 06/27/2014 07:14:58 PM
[02:22] <zaxius> Error: NS_ERROR_XPC_SECURITY_MANAGER_VETO: Component returned failure code: 0x80570027 (NS_ERROR_XPC_SECURITY_MANAGER_VETO) [nsIDOMWindow.window]
[02:22] <zaxius> Source File: resource://unity/unity-global-property-initializer.js
[02:22] <zaxius> Line: 238
[02:22] <zaxius> holstein, oops, that copied more than i meant to. the unity...js file is what i meant
[02:22] <kingbeowolf> jrib, qmake in my .pro file
[02:22] <holstein> zaxius: in the guest account, as well? where is that? tty?
[02:22] <zaxius> holstein, haven't tried guest yet, gotta log out. brb
[02:23] <holstein> zaxius: please, try the guest account..
[02:23] <jrib> kingbeowolf: not familiar with that; check qmake documentation
[02:24] <kingbeowolf> jrib, i think i can use traditional c++ cmake conventions as well
[02:24] <Panther96> So i've tried following the instructions here for setting up bumblebee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee but i only get this when i optirun glxgears
[02:25] <Panther96> [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA GPU at PCI:1:0:0.  Please
[02:25] <Panther96> [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled.
[02:25] <holstein> Panther96: i didnt have any luck with bumblebee..
[02:26] <Panther96> i had a similar issue with manjaro https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=14442.0 but the fix there, which was adding ¨rcutree.rcu_idle_gp_delay=1¨ to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to /etc/default/grub , didnt work
[02:27] <Panther96> or wait forgot to do this sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg , will do and reboot and be right back
[02:27] <zaxius> holstein, it didn't happen in the guest account. it did happen again when i came back to my account
[02:27] <holstein> zaxius: that wasnt suggested as a fix.. which is why its still like that in your user
[02:28] <zaxius> holstein, what wasn't suggested as a fix?
[02:28] <Omega9> guys there's not much info on netrunner, I was wondering how do you guys check what services starts up on ubuntu on boot?
[02:29] <holstein> zaxius: i say, if the behavior is not in your guest account, the issue is likely in your users config for ff.. you can move it temporarily, and test.. removing your ff config will set ff back to default
[02:29] <zaxius> holstein, ah ok
[02:29] <Panther96_> argggh that didnt work either
[02:30] <Omega9> also how do I tell apt to show me all the packages installed?
[02:30] <zaxius> holstein, or i could try disabling add-ons one by one, heh
[02:30] <Panther96_> why is this such an issue for me with bumblee with every distro except fedora
[02:31] <holstein> zaxius: do what you like.. you know where i think the issue is, and no one is disagreeing.. you can remove the entire config temporarily, test ff, and see for certain that the issue is there..
[02:31] <holstein> Panther96: its not supported.. they didnt promise linux support on the hardware
[02:31] <zaxius> holstein, is it one file i need to move? where is it located?
[02:31] <holstein> zaxius: the config for ff for your user is in your users /home
[02:32] <Beldar> zaxius, I would save your bookmarks and move the firefox folder from /home/.config to see what happens that is a full reset.
[02:32] <holstein> ^ no need to delete anything... just move it and test
[02:33] <zaxius> Beldar, i don't have a firefox dir in ~/.config/
[02:33] <Dave77> how do I install latest mplayer from testing in ubuntu?
[02:33] <Beldar> zaxius, Hmm I do and so does holstein
[02:33] <Omega9> Dave: apt-get mplayer
[02:34] <Panther96_> yes optimus doesnt have an official fix, nevertheless bumblebee shoudl work
[02:34] <Panther96_> if it works in one distro it has to work on others
[02:34] <Panther96_> i just dont want to be stuck with Fedora if i can avoid it
[02:34] <holstein> zaxius: its likely mozilla that you seek
[02:34] <zaxius> holstein, i looked for that too in .config; nothing. i do have ~/.mozilla/
[02:34] <holstein> Panther96_: there is no "should" for it.. it would work if they supported it, thats  for suer
[02:34] <holstein> sure*
[02:35] <Panther96_> But it *could* work
[02:35] <holstein> zaxius: thats why i said, its likely mozilla.. and there is no need to delete it.. you can just rename it.. and test..
[02:35] <Panther96_> and hence why im on this irc channel asking for help
[02:35] <holstein> Panther96_: no.. it *would* work.. if the provided support
[02:35] <Dave77> doing apt-get mplayer doesn't fix a broken mplayer..
[02:35] <Dave77> how do I fix error = mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1 cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[02:35] <holstein> Panther96_: i personally decided to stop banging my head on that wall.. i had more luck in 12.04
[02:36] <zaxius> holstein, ok, hang on
[02:36] <Panther96_> holstein, it does work..its a ubuntu issue
[02:36] <holstein> Panther96_: ok
[02:36] <holstein> !vbug
[02:36] <holstein> !bug
[02:36] <Beldar> zaxius, You are right, not in .config, I had forgrooten I save the .mozilla folder to load to new install, my mistake.
[02:36] <zaxius> Beldar, no worries
[02:36] <Panther96_> there is some configuration file thats not on by default thats preventing it. I'm on here to ask if anyone of the 1000 people online if they know the trick
[02:37] <holstein> Panther96_: i can say, it doesnt work for me..
[02:37] <zaxius> holstein, yep, starts up fine if i rename .mozilla/
[02:37] <holstein> Panther96_: have you tried an nvidia support avenue?
[02:37] <Omega9> dave: install libgl
[02:37] <Panther96_> no ill just try this later
[02:37] <holstein> zaxius: so, the issue is in your /home config for ff
[02:38] <Panther96_> its jsut infurating i cant find  a single distro that works for me
[02:38] <Panther96_> Fedora works lovely except for the fact that its difficult to get software like spotify on it
[02:38] <holstein> Panther96_: you mean, that supports that hardware?
[02:38] <Panther96_> yep
[02:38] <zaxius> haha, i got worried when i did mv .mozilla.bak .mozilla and firefox still started with the default config...i forgot it would have created a new .mozilla directory
[02:38] <Panther96_> Manjaro i can get that little fix for bumblebee but then i have to deal with incredible screen tearing
[02:39] <Beldar> Panther96_, And the support channel is so friendly, lol
[02:39] <holstein> Panther96_: consider a reseller that provides definite support.. system76 for example
[02:39] <Panther96_> which channel?
[02:39] <Beldar> fedora
[02:40] <Panther96_> at least they help you
[02:40] <Beldar> I would disagree but that is an opinion
[02:40] <Panther96_> lol if you want to see unfriendly try #arch :D
[02:41] <Panther96_> #archlinux
[02:41] <holstein> Panther96_: you have tried the ppa's for the graphics drivers? the xorg edgers? whatever steam suggests is what i try when troubleshooting
[02:41] <Beldar> never had a problem there, I guess it is just our personal experiences
[02:41] <Panther96_> oh i never did either but while i was on it i witnessed a very nasty fight to say the least
[02:42] <Beldar> Panther96_, The ego's go up incrementally per distros that seems to be anorm. ;)
[02:43] <Panther96_> very true bedlar
[02:43] <Panther96_> holstein i've tried the ppa repos
[02:43] <Panther96_> i get so many weird errors idk why ubuntu is using legacy nvidia 304 drivers
[02:43] <holstein> Panther96_: its not a rolling release
[02:43] <Beldar> I should know mine is so inflated I have have tie downs so I don't float away Panther96_ ;)
[02:44] <Panther96_> this whole thing is a mess which is why i dont even know where to begun. It claims virtualgl or whatever doesnt exist primus is out of date but it updates idk
[02:44] <zaxius> holstein, well, i re-enabled all my add-ons one by one and the culprit was FireGestures. which i didn't think i had because I also have All-in-One Gestures. so i just removed FireGestures. thanks!
[02:44] <holstein> Panther96_: i just dont use that hardware anymore with those expectations, personally..
[02:44] <jay__> holstein my friend
[02:44] <Dave77> omega9: no install libgl doesn't do anything
[02:44] <Panther96_> then it tells me something about the bus id
[02:45] <jay__> I fixed my major issue!
[02:45] <holstein> zaxius: enjoy
[02:45] <Panther96_> what did you mean by steam's instrucitons
[02:45] <holstein> Panther96_: i mean, graphics development is being really pushed by steam, these days.. so, if they say to try something, i do
[02:45] <holstein> !steam
[02:45] <jay__> i managed to somehow take apart my laptop, clean the fan (which was causing my auto shutdowns due to over heating) and now I can run Lubuntu. Which i'm on now!
[02:46] <holstein> Panther96_: otherwise, i dont get to bent out of shape these days on hardware that was just never promised to work with linux.. that dual GPU thing is quite complex for drivers to "fake"
[02:46] <Dave77> well if we could buy linux games in the shop that would be great.. don't like the idea of downloading 35GB games
[02:46] <Panther96_> its not like its completely out of support
[02:47] <Panther96_> in fact nvidia even supplements bumblebee with the primus system
[02:47] <jay__> I do need help with one thing holstein
[02:47] <holstein> Panther96_: have you tried an nvidia avenue for support?
[02:47] <Panther96_> in any case gotta go i guess ill be back to figure this out and ya try the nvidia avenue i guess
[02:47] <Panther96_> im pretty close to just saying f* it and go fedora and just put spotify in wine
[02:47] <jay__> i can't get my wireless do work. i have my proper driver installed. but for some reason it's not working
[02:47] <holstein> Panther96_: im not trying to be comative, here. i literally didnt try working with nvidia in any way with mine
[02:47] <Panther96_> but we'll say thanks anyways tho
[02:48] <Panther96_> oh no not you i just gotta go lol and just irritated its the same shit all over again lol
[02:48] <holstein> !langauge | Panther96_
[02:48] <holstein> Panther96_: try a re-seller where all is supported..
[02:48] <Panther96_> would of thought using the #1 distro with thousands of developers would make this trivial thing swork
[02:48] <jay__> holstein you hearing me man?
[02:49] <holstein> Panther96_: its not up to the distro,or operating system.. nothing about ubuntu is preventing it from working
[02:49] <holstein> jay__: just ask.. welcome to the channel
[02:50] <jay__> i can't get my wireless do work. i have my proper driver installed. but for some reason it's not working
[02:50] <holstein> jay__: what "proper driver"?
[02:51] <jay__> i thought you'd be more excited for me holstein. i took apart my pc and cleaned my fan that was causing the overheating and auto shut downs. my hdd and ram were fine all along
[02:51] <jay__> my driver b43
[02:51] <holstein> jay__: we should discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:51] <jay__> about me driver?
[02:51] <jay__> my*
[02:52] <Dave77> are there any fix it utils for ubuntu if the system breaks?
[02:52] <holstein> jay__: no.. support is fine here.. anyways.. congratulations.. are you seeing wifi access points?
[02:52] <holstein> Dave77: yes
[02:52] <jay__> no. i'm not seeing any wifi access points
[02:52] <holstein> jay__: are you certain the device works?
[02:53] <jay__> not since i put the pc back together
[02:53] <jay__> i know when i typed lshw it was listed
[02:53] <holstein> jay__: thats what i would be testing.. if it were apart, and you unplugged soemting accidentally, it will not be a fix in software that makes it work again
[02:54] <jay__> well i put it in right i'm positive
[02:54] <jay__> otherwise, the OS wouldn't see it right?
[02:54] <jay__> where do i start ?
[02:55] <Dave77> how do I fix mplayer if it is broken? won't play audio..
[02:55] <holstein> jay__: depends.. there are usually wires for antennae.. and who knows what else.. its just that, if it were working, and you disassembled, and reassembled, and its not working, thats where i would be looking..
[02:55] <jay__> well there isn't much to look at physically
[02:55] <jay__> i already tried changing the posts (for lack of a better term) that the antennae go on
[02:55] <holstein> Dave77: depends.. this is what i would do.. get a known good simple .ogg file that i know plays.. i would test in other players. and see if its *just* mplayer, or if its a certain type of file.. or what exactly is going on
[02:56] <jay__> i switched them around but no luck
[02:56] <holstein> jay__: thats where i would be looking.. is that the case? it was working? and hasnt been since you put it back together?
[02:56] <jay__> right
[02:57] <jay__> it was working before. isn't now. but i double checked the connections already
[02:57] <jay__> and the OS knows it's there
[02:57] <holstein> jay__: there are other things that could have happened during disassembly that software cant address
[02:58] <jay__> oh? like what?
[02:58] <holstein> jay__: ? literally anything, friend.. im talking about a hardware breakage.. anything..
[02:58] <jay__> hmmm
[02:58] <holstein> jay__: its a tiny motherboard there.. a "daughter board" or whatever.. if you touched it, you could have damaged it
[02:58] <jay__> is there anything i can do software wise to test if things are working properly?
[02:59] <holstein> they are literally a few bucks these days.. and
[02:59] <jay__> are they cheap for laptops?
[02:59] <holstein> jay__: i would fire the thing up in a supported operating system, and see if it works. or, replace it, and see.. or, take it to another machine and test
[02:59] <holstein> jay__: i have a little stack of broadcom ones.. if you were closer, you could have one
[03:00] <jay__> it used to work with this OS. that's nice of you to offer :)
[03:00] <jay__> i don't have another pc i can test it on sorry
[03:00] <jay__> what can i do software testing wise?
[03:00] <holstein> jay__: but, you cant say "it used to work with this OS, something must have changed in the OS" when you had the thing apart..
[03:01] <holstein> jay__: you *are*.. and its not working. and you think its driver related, and it could be.. but, it also could be off. could be *anything*
[03:02] <jay__> ok let me be more specific. it worked with this OS yesterday. since then, i installed regular ubuntu. then, i took apart the pc today. i reinstalled this OS (Lubuntu) afterwards cause the mouse pad wasn't working. now it does.
[03:03] <holstein> jay__: so, you have done too much at one time to be helpful..
[03:03] <holstein> jay__: *any* or *all* of that can break the wifi..
[03:03] <jay__> i was hoping you'd had a specific test for me to do. i just don't have another pc to test it on. it's not recognized in the network software at all. only when i type lshw
[03:04] <holstein> jay__: yes.. test in a supported operating system.. take it to another machine.. install other chip and test. try other live CD's..
[03:04] <holstein> jay__: if you mark all of those down as "wont/cant do" then, do whatever you like to test
[03:04] <jay__> other live cd's you say. so i can load up something on my USB stick and run it live to test?
[03:05] <holstein> jay__: thats what the step above that i referred to as "thy other live CD's" was specifically referring to
[03:05] <jay__> ok i was just clarifying
[03:06] <jay__> why is there no fancy terminal command to test the wireless card?
[03:07] <holstein> jay__: you said you have already done that, friend.. and the device is not officially supported in linux, so i dont know if you have the driver install, or the proper driver installed.. or whatever
[03:08] <jay__> all i did was type lshw cause someone taught me it
[03:08] <holstein> jay__: have you typed ifconfig?
[03:08] <jay__> i just know from that person how to do that and to tell that the os can see it. it also says the driver is installed. i had to manually search for the b43 package myself so i know it got installed
[03:09] <jay__> no i haven't tried that. i've never heard of it lol
[03:10] <jay__> what does this show me?
[03:10] <jay__> i see my rests but don't know what i'm looking for
[03:10] <jay__> results*
[03:10] <holstein> jay__: networking interfaces...
[03:10] <holstein> !ifconfig
[03:10] <holstein> http://www.tecmint.com/ifconfig-command-examples/
[03:15] <jay__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7714293/
[03:15] <jay__> here's my results holstein
[03:16] <holstein> jay__: so, thats it
[03:17] <jay__> well what does it mean?
[03:17] <jay__> it's giberish to me
[03:17] <holstein> jay__: makes me think, its not seeing the access points.. like, its not on, or the antannae you have messed with are not working.. or something about the chip.. or driver support.. etc.. i would have to have it in front of me
[03:17] <holstein> jay__: wlan0 should be your wifi.. and you should have lo and eth0?
[03:18] <jay__> i have both yes
[03:18] <jay__> i just showed you that one
[03:18] <jay__> sorry
[03:18] <holstein> i dont need to see more.. im just saying..
[03:18] <shake_> anyone every configure a ubuntu box for xbmc
[03:18] <holstein> shake_: i just install xbmc
[03:19] <jay__> holstein, it tells me i can't run ifcongif wanl0 up
[03:19] <holstein> jay__: you dont need to do that
[03:19] <holstein> jay__: i mean, you can mess about in there if you like,but, if you havent broken anything, the wifi will just show access points, and you click on them and join
[03:20] <jay__> why can't i be a superuser? it says authentication failed. i know my passwords right. i always use the same one
[03:20] <holstein> jay__: why is that not happening? its not becuase of some command that you havent put in..
[03:20] <holstein> jay__: you can try "su" and see...
[03:20] <shake_> i guess i need to install it and see what it is
[03:20] <holstein> jay__: but, again... you dont need to run that.. and thats not a fix.. though, you may get helpful feedback..
[03:21] <jay__> so you think it's not showing the access points (networks right? ) because of a hardware issue?
[03:21] <holstein> shake_: its a mutimedia front-end..
[03:21] <shake_> i am assuming you still have to have it lookout for providers like netflix hulu and such
[03:21] <holstein> multimedia*
[03:21] <holstein> shake_: "lookout for netflix" ?
[03:22] <holstein> anyways.. xbmc, and ubuntu, and all of linux are open, if hulu or netflix or whoever want to provide support for them
[03:22] <smapty> Earlier today, I had a server running 12.04 go down. Found out that a package got updated that removed firmware for a aic94xx controller. Seems like it got removed from a package for legal reasons, but there was no warning before it removed the firmware.
[03:22] <jay__> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted what does this mean?
[03:22] <holstein> jay__: not sure friend. you are runing commands that, as i said, are not needed for wifi to work, and i wouldnt be using them..
[03:23] <jay__> so is there nothing i can do then?
[03:23] <jay__> i'm just screwed unless i have another pc to test it on?
[03:23] <holstein> jay__: i made a list above, friend.. you have already done all that?
[03:23] <jay__> the only thing i CAN actually do is boot a live cd and see if that works
[03:24] <shake_> i guess i got the wrong idea about it
[03:24] <holstein> jay__: you tried the live CD you installed from? you tried checking the bios? the keys for on and off? reseated the chip?
[03:24] <jay__> reseated the chips yes. BIOS? you didn't mention. what would i do there? i'll try the live cd
[03:24] <holstein> jay__: you look at *everything*..
[03:24] <Hypersonic1> anyway I can get my RT3290 wifi to work?
[03:25] <holstein> Hypersonic1: i would try http://askubuntu.com/questions/253632/how-do-i-get-a-ralink-rt3290-wireless-card-working if it supported the newer kernels
[03:26] <shake_> is there a software package that could be installed that replicates much of what a smart tv performs but with this the smart side being your linux box withh the software plugged into a non-smart tv
[03:26] <Hypersonic1> it seems like I have done this already.
[03:26] <shake_> make sense?
[03:26] <holstein> shake_: try xbmc.. otherwise, i wouldnt expect to replicate what a specific appliance that is quite expensive does with a piece of software like that..
[03:27] <holstein> Hypersonic1: seems like?
[03:27] <Hypersonic1> the wifi is slow, and it disconnects. Then I have to restart. I don't know why this is still not fixed
[03:27] <Hypersonic1> I have installed the drivers, and it does not seem to fix anything
[03:28] <jay__> holstein, what would i be looking for in the BIOS related to a wireless card?
[03:29] <Hypersonic1> http://pastebin.com/xwjSTdb7
[03:29] <holstein> jay__: i would be, as i said, looking in the bios for literally anything, friend.. ideally, wifi related
[03:29] <holstein> Hypersonic1: its not fixed because the support is not provided for the device it seems
[03:29] <jay__> ok but i didn't think the wifi had any mention of the wireless card. i'll look though
[03:29] <holstein> Hypersonic1: have you tried 14.04? just a live CD? to see if it "just works" ?
[03:29] <Hypersonic1> I don't know how some people are able to get it working though.
[03:30] <Hypersonic1> yes, I am using 14.04
[03:30] <holstein> Hypersonic1: if you are not certain you are using the vendors module, i would make certain
[03:30] <Hypersonic1> I tried this in 13.04 a year ago, and it still didn't work
[03:30] <Sunstream> holstein, I got a bit confused by that page, but thank you I saw a suggestion on there that worked (removing the DVD menus allowed me to watch the full eps)
[03:31] <Hypersonic1> what module?
[03:31] <Sunstream> holstein, thank you for the help yesteday
[03:31] <holstein> Sunstream: sure.. enjoy!
[03:31] <shake_> i figured there would be a way to turn a computer into the smart system for a standard tv allowing you to customize it to search for media via ftp servers on LAN, Netflix, Hulu, and etc with a graphical interface started up on boot
[03:31] <holstein> Hypersonic1: the vendor supplied module that you stated "it seems i did this". but, you should make sure you are using that module
[03:32] <holstein> shake_: its the type of smart system you are looking for, though.. we are not given suppor for the things you are wanting..
[03:32] <Hypersonic1> lsmod |grep rt3290
[03:32] <Hypersonic1> rt3290sta            1170520  0
[03:32] <Hypersonic1> ?
[03:33] <holstein> shake_: plex, xbmc, really, just any pc connected to a machine can give you streaming abilities.. but, what are you wanting to watch? is it something proprietary that doesnt support linux? if so, you have to use what they support
[03:33] <A_Pickle> So, okay, it seems like I have to run "sudo dhclient eth0" every time I reboot.  Is there any way to get the server to do this automatically, or should I use a static address instead?
[03:33] <holstein> Hypersonic1: i would read the link, see what the module is from the manufacturer, install it, and make sure im using it
[03:34] <Hypersonic1> I did read that. it's the rt3290sta
[03:34] <Hypersonic1> I went through that same process already
[03:34] <holstein> Hypersonic1: for your chip? from the manufacturer?
[03:35] <Hypersonic1> I got it from a dropbox link
[03:35] <Hypersonic1> it should be the right one
[03:35] <holstein> Hypersonic1: i mean, if they make a driver for you, id try it.. and i'll try the windows one too.. but these days, when hardware like that is like $8US, i dont usually deal with things that arent plug and play.. its just too easy to get things that actually support linux
[03:35] <shake_> is ubuntu tv much like xbmc
[03:35] <Hypersonic1> I want to use the built in one
[03:36] <holstein> Hypersonic1: i'll change the built in ones.. thats what i was referencing.. i mean, you were never promised linux support.. so all is working as intended here
[03:36] <Hypersonic1> no because the wifi isn't working :(
[03:36] <holstein> Hypersonic1: it can be frustrating. but, i wouldnt expect support to get better for it.. i would try the windows driver in ndis..
[03:37] <holstein> Hypersonic1: you were not promised the wifi would work in linux
[03:37] <Hypersonic1> what a shame, it works in Windows out of the box
[03:38] <Kuwanger> Any ideas on what might be setting vm.dirty_ratio at startup?
[03:40] <Hypersonic1> I don't have access to a USB wifi device, and I don't want to wait for one to be delivered. It looks like I may have to return to Windows
[03:40] <holstein> Hypersonic1: but, you were promised it would work in windows.. the company provided a driver for windows.. and they are welcome to provide one for linux
[03:41] <Hypersonic1> but the manufacturer I thought provides one
[03:41] <holstein> Hypersonic1: ask them for it
[03:41] <holstein> Hypersonic1: email them, and see if you can get something *not* from a random dropbox link, but, from the company..
[03:42] <Hypersonic1> that's going to be difficult probably
[03:43] <Sunstream> After experimenting I now know how to start the dvd now
[03:43] <holstein> Hypersonic1: it would be ideal coming from them, but, thats not the manufacturer of the hardware.. they make the chip.. AFAIK
[03:44] <siddhub> quit
[03:44] <Hypersonic1> they have the RT3290 PCIe on their download page
[03:45] <Hypersonic1> but I doubt it will work anyway
[03:45] <Hypersonic1> it may be the same one I tried
[03:45] <holstein> Hypersonic1: if its not for your hardware, or chip, then, it wont work
[03:45] <Hypersonic1> then how would I know if it is for my hardware or chip?
[03:45] <holstein> Hypersonic1: they can rev the chip, and all they have to do is what they promised.. provide a windows driver
[03:45] <holstein> Hypersonic1:  i would ask them
[03:46] <Hypersonic1> and that would be difficult probably
[03:46] <holstein> Hypersonic1: probably? i mean.. its the folks you can definitively help you
[03:46] <holstein> Hypersonic1: all of linux is open for them to access and support.. all of ubuntu ..
[03:47] <Hypersonic1> and yet there is such terrible support
[03:47]  * Sunstream boggles at the sheer amount of the oddest nicks that visit here.
[03:47] <Hypersonic1> my ethernet works flawlessly, but not wifi
[03:48] <holstein> Hypersonic1: consider doing what you have done, accept for ubuntu next time. a reseller that sells the operating system you are wanting to use, instead of windows.. something lke system76 or another linux reseller
[03:50] <Hypersonic1> maybe I should get a USB stick, I just have to wait for it to be delivered
[03:51] <Hypersonic1> what would be the most compatible one?
[03:51] <holstein> Hypersonic1: one thats states and it supports linux if you can find one
[03:52] <holstein> Hypersonic1: i could say, or we could read about one that works, but if the chipset changes, even same model numbers can work in linux in one case, and not in another
[03:52] <holstein> what do i do? i'll take my machine and test in the store..or make sure i can return them
[03:55] <Hypersonic1> how do I bring the bookmarks button back in Firefox? That's another bug that has been with Ubuntu for several versions.
[03:56] <holstein> Hypersonic1: i dont think thats a bug, friend.. i think thats been hidden til you want to show it
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> Hypersonic1: that is not a bug, but a feature
[03:56] <Hypersonic1> but you can't show it. I know because I have tried
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> Hypersonic1: there are firefox addons for that, try ##firefox
[03:56] <Hypersonic1> unless you disable the unity menu I think
[03:56] <holstein> Hypersonic1: i see it listed as an addon.. have you tried adding it on?
[03:57] <holstein> Hypersonic1: you think?
[03:57] <A_Pickle> So, what password manager do y'all use in the Linux world?
[03:57] <Hypersonic1> yes, I tried that before. I wonder why it still has not been fixed
[03:57] <holstein> Hypersonic1: regardless, i wouldnt look at that as a bug, but something you can address and add funcionality for if you like
[03:57] <holstein> Hypersonic1: its nothing to fix.. its not broken
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> A_Pickle: passwords stored on browsers?
[03:58] <holstein> A_Pickle: i just use lastpass.. though its a bit offtopic here. try a  security channel
[03:58] <Hypersonic1> if you open the customize toolbar window, you cannot add the bookmarks tool
[03:58] <Hypersonic1> it will not show up, but other tools will
[03:59] <holstein> Hypersonic1: have you tried https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/994277 ?
[04:00] <Hypersonic1> yes, that is what I was talking about. I am wondering why we would still have to do that. They need to write to customize Firefox for Ubuntu
[04:00] <holstein> they?
[04:00] <holstein> !bug | Hypersonic1
[04:01] <holstein> Hypersonic1: you can file wishlist bugs.. you can request that "they" do the packaging.. :)
[04:02] <foxygrandpa> hi, I installed ubuntu on my USB drive, but when I try to load it from the multi-boot menu when I first turn on my computer, the computer just goes straight to windows instead. Does anyone know what my problem might be?
[04:02] <holstein> foxygrandpa: you installed grub on the stick? what mulitboot menu? the bios?
[04:04] <foxygrandpa> holstein: sorry I don't understand what you mean by grub. It's not the try ubuntu version that's on my usb. I installed the OS, it takes about 7gb. Yeah the bios.
[04:06] <holstein> !grub
[04:07] <holstein> foxygrandpa: i would just make sure you are trying to boot the device that you have a bootloader on
[04:08] <holstein> foxygrandpa: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair for example would let you install grub on the stick, which is what i would do.. but, you should be cautious, and have data backed up, and understand how to restort all boot loaders, for windows or whatever else
[04:09] <foxygrandpa> holstein: Okay I'll try that, thank you
[04:09] <foxygrandpa> ubottu: Thanks, I'll read that too
[04:10] <michaelgamble> hey i just installed the basic ubuntu iso off of the site on my machine.. left it a few days.. and now i cant figure out what the default package manager gui app is .. or how to open it
[04:10] <michaelgamble> im trying to figure out how to uninstall something i dont need anymore
[04:10] <vfw> !info apt-get | michaelgamble
[04:10] <holstein> michaelgamble: its not really like windows though, where, removing an app would potentiallly gain speed..
[04:11] <vfw> !info apt | michaelgamble
[04:11] <Hypersonic1> I really hope ASUS (USB-N13) Wireless-N USB Adapter works for me
[04:11] <Hypersonic1> it should be compatible
[04:11] <vfw> michaelgamble: What package do you want to install?
[04:11] <holstein> to uninstall..
[04:11] <michaelgamble> no worries i figured it out
[04:11] <michaelgamble> i got confused by the ui
[04:12] <michaelgamble> the ubuntu software centre is what i was looking for
[04:12] <michaelgamble> but it was a different ui for software updates
[04:12] <vfw> michaelgamble: Ok there  you go.
[04:12] <michaelgamble> with a different icon
[04:12] <michaelgamble> i think its just my friday brain
[04:12] <michaelgamble> was trying to uninstall teamviewer
[04:12] <vfw> michaelgamble: Yep
[04:13] <michaelgamble> such a shitty app
[04:13] <vfw> michaelgamble: Ok, well let us know if we can help with anything else.
[04:13] <michaelgamble> Hey while im here, is thier a way to have a pc schedule both shutdown and startups?
[04:14] <vfw> michaelgamble: Yes
[04:14] <cfhowlett> michaelgamble cron jobs ...
[04:14] <michaelgamble> how / what is the best way
[04:14] <michaelgamble> is thier anything with a gui?
[04:14] <vfw> michaelgamble: startup if you have wake-on lan interface
[04:14] <syntroPi> i want to modify an existing debian package and add some patches to it: in the debian/ directory there is that rules file: when i add an patch/ directory to the debian/ directory which command in the rules file applies those patches?
[04:14] <michaelgamble> hmm.. how do you determine that
[04:15] <vfw> michaelgamble: https://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan
[04:16] <vfw> michaelgamble:  Not sure what you really want to do, only you know that, so...
[04:16] <Adriannom> hi. in system monitor firefox is taking up 5.7gb ram and 50% cpu. is there a way of finding out why?
[04:16] <michaelgamble> basicly i want my machine to have a boot schedule so its not always on sucking hyudro
[04:16] <vfw> Adriannom: Run it from terminal
[04:17] <michaelgamble> its a media / download / other automated tasks machine
[04:17] <Adriannom> vfw, if i close it down and run it again it won't be hogging stuff i suspect, but i should run it from terminal and wait for it to clog up again?
[04:21] <reisio> Adriannom: like most browsers, it's poorly authored :)
[04:21] <reisio> although disabling rogue 3rd party plugin support might help
[04:21] <reisio> also, unused memory is wasted memory
[04:21] <reisio> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[04:22] <Adriannom> 6/8gb usage is a bit much for a web browser. most people complaining about this on google are saying it's taking up 500mb ;)
[04:23] <Adriannom> but it's got to be a memory leak right?
[04:23] <Adriannom> now that ff is restarted it's only (lol) taking up 400mb
[04:24] <wheatthin> mines only taking up 282mb
[04:24] <wheatthin> ahh.. sorry , that was webserver..
[04:25] <wheatthin> Depends on the threads for the browser.. firefox uses way more ram than it should, but it confines the threads into one process
[04:26] <michaelgamble> does nobody do scheduled machine on and offs to save power?
[04:26] <michaelgamble> it seems like an obscure topic online
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | Adriannom
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: did you cleanout firefox buffer cache yet?
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: also doublecheck cache folder on firefox if its full, and disabled unwanted addons
[04:31] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, tried disabling all addons to little effect. cache is using 350mb of disk space, i just cleared that.
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: does other browsers lag on you like this?
[04:31] <reisio> michaelgamble: you can automatically sleep/suspend/hibernate your box after intervals of idle time
[04:32] <reisio> michaelgamble: and wake-on-lan it on-demand :)
[04:32] <michaelgamble> yeah but thats me initating a wake from another machine right?
[04:32] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, on certain machine chrome can freeze up and such, but nothing like ff
[04:32] <reisio> michaelgamble: there's always another machine, but that's correct
[04:32] <michaelgamble> i want to create scheduled on and off
[04:32] <Adriannom> *machines
[04:32] <reisio> michaelgamble: many BIOSes can schedule wakeup, too
[04:33] <reisio> but you can get a low power always-on single-board computer like a raspberry pi for $25
[04:33] <michaelgamble> is this an unusual thing to do?
[04:33] <reisio> or just wake from your mobile phone
[04:33] <reisio> michaelgamble: it is and it isn't
[04:33] <reisio> michaelgamble: why do you want to turn it on?
[04:33] <holstein> michaelgamble: depends on the equipment you have..
[04:33] <michaelgamble> im trying to do it for automated timed events
[04:33] <reisio> michaelgamble: like what?
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: how much ram you have?
[04:33] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, 8gb
[04:33] <michaelgamble> basicly i have some automation scripts using the MIT sikuli script that i want to run maybe a few times a day
[04:34] <reisio> michaelgamble: check your BIOS
[04:34] <michaelgamble> otherwise i dont want the machine sucking hydro
[04:34] <reisio> michaelgamble: but wake-on-lan is probably the sanest approach
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: try set buffer cache to 0 on firefox settings, so it uses your ram
[04:34] <reisio> hydro? :)
[04:34] <michaelgamble> power consumption
[04:34] <michaelgamble> $$$
[04:34] <reisio> doesn't hydro mean water? :)
[04:34] <michaelgamble> tryin to be a bit greener and leaner
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: also try the swappiness tweak to 10 instead of default 60
[04:34] <Adriannom> network.buffer.cache.size ?
[04:34] <holstein> michaelgamble: but, machines that do what you want may cost more
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: yes
[04:35] <holstein> michaelgamble: there are *very* low powerer machines now, as well..
[04:35] <reisio> most machines for the past many years do wake on lan
[04:36] <michaelgamble> so i just found this stuff about RTC
[04:37] <michaelgamble> looks like it might be good enough for what i want
[04:37] <holstein> michaelgamble: if i wanted to do scheduled on of like that, it would likely be pre-os
[04:37] <michaelgamble> i think this does hibernate / wakeup events with RTC.. might be good enough
[04:38] <|inux> I installed fallback and I only intend on using the metacity version... Can I uninstall compiz?
[04:38] <holstein> but, i would just get a low-powered machine, and leave it on.. and intel nuc, for example. a machine that would use a lot less power
[04:38] <holstein> |inux: you can, but its really not saving resources to remove it.. if you are not using it
[04:39] <joshumax> Wazzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuup?
[04:39] <reisio> joshumax: :)
[04:39] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, done
[04:39] <|inux> holstein,  thank you.... I had my ubuntu 14.04 lock on me due to compiz... and if possible I do not want to have to go through command line apt-get h*ll again
[04:40] <cfhowlett> joshumax ubuntu support.  ask your question.
[04:40] <joshumax> Anyone have any major problems with their Ubuntu install today?
[04:40] <joshumax> :P
[04:40] <reisio> intel nuc is a reallllly expensive low power machine :p
[04:40] <joshumax> Usually I try to answer questions, not ask them
[04:40] <reisio> raspberry pi is like 6 times cheaper
[04:40] <cfhowlett> !details|joshumax
[04:40] <holstein> |inux: are you using compiz? if not, its not running, and wont do anything.. remove it if you like
[04:40] <Adriannom> reisio, isn't it more powerful than rpi?
[04:41] <reisio> you should be able to wake-on-lan with just a router, though
[04:41] <reisio> Adriannom: yup, but power isn't really something you need to send a packet
[04:41] <|inux> holstein, I decided to load metacity so I am not running it right now... Since I can remove it, I probably will. Thank you for the info!
[04:41] <reisio> especially if you need to send the packet to... wake up a powerful machine
[04:41] <Adriannom> reisio, ah, i missed the context
[04:42] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, what now?
[04:42] <reisio> IMO the only use case for the current intel single board computer offerings is to avoid non-x86 issues (mostly, to make using netflix crap easier)
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: well that should lighter up your firefox use..are you updated fully also?
[04:43] <reisio> even then I think you can get a cheaper amd64 from say pcengines.com/et al.
[04:44] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, fairly up to date, i'll make sure though. google tells me dynamic swappiness is safer... does this tweak come with any potential problems?
[04:44] <nikolam> I listen to internet radio using VLC player. But when screen gets locked due to inactivity, sound stops playing... ? (untill re-logged in). It is 14.04LTS 64bit, upgraded from 13.10
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: if you have 8gig ram, you will handle swappiness tweak fine
[04:45] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, ok thanks :)
[04:45] <Adriannom> ff running at 1gb ram already :/
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: install that preload app also i pasted you
[04:46] <Stoner19> can anyone help resolve this error: http://imgur.com/lQ7739g
[04:47] <Stoner19> npm start error. I’ve install all node.js
[04:49] <michaelgamble> is thier a good gui based cron majiger
[04:50] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, ok thanks. presumably i will not see results immediately? do you think this will address ff hogging 6gb? or is there some other goal here?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: what ubuntu version your on?
[04:52] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, saucy
[04:52] <reisio> michaelgamble: maybe, but the plain crontab is pretty simple...
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: if firefox would eat 6gig ram on me, i would reinstall ubuntu immediatly...try 14.04 clean
[04:53] <reisio> absurd
[04:53] <reisio> you don't reinstall an OS over a single app
[04:53] <cfhowlett> reisio agreed.   purge firefox and reinstall
[04:54] <reisio> that sounds like a much better idea
[04:54] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, that's so windows solution of a problem :P Maybe he just have many FF windows open after restarting FF. Maybe managing FF itself would be better
[04:54] <reisio> but I wouldn't necessarily expect uninstalling something and reinstalling it the same way to yield a different result, either
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> installing ubuntu clean is always beter to take away leftovers
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> we dont know what happened to his system
[04:56] <reisio> being informed is always better
[04:56] <reisio> reinstalling blindly like you're stuck on Windows is a good way to waste time
[04:56] <nikolam> One can actually manage it's firefox, clean cache, close all window tabs and windows on restart, clean cookies, check what addons are installed , etc. check what is using RAM with top (and M to sort)
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: ive been all tru this with him, but at the end??if firefox eats 6gig ram...
[04:56] <nikolam> also use pstree to see what activates what
[04:57] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, so you are sure it is him? used top with M to sort processes and so?
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> i wouldnt trust my browser when it uses so much ram
[04:58] <reisio> lotuspsychje: trust it?...
[04:58] <Adriannom> lotuspsychje, note that 6gb was after a few days of it being open. when i restarted ff it was 600mb with 1 tab and 1gb with all the previous tabs open
[04:58] <holstein> Adriannom: are you up to date with upgrades?
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> Adriannom: whats your firefox version?
[04:58] <Adriannom> 30.0
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> info firefox saucy
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox saucy
[04:59] <nikolam> Adriannom, maybe that is normal with occasional memory leaking in some on-page javascript or something. Or App itself was leaking memory
[04:59] <Adriannom> holstein, i just updated a few packages now
[04:59] <holstein> Adriannom: what other tweaks have you done? swappiness? anything else in ff?
[04:59] <reisio> lend me 3gb of your ram and I'll have 6gb to compare with your situation :p
[04:59] <Adriannom> nikolam, ok, seems excessive to me but i guess things have got bloated over time huh :|
[05:00] <Adriannom> heheh
[05:00] <holstein> Adriannom: i might fire up a live CD, and hammer on ff like that.. see if its your config, or at lease try and isolate
[05:00] <Adriannom> holstein, cache buffer size = 0
[05:00] <nikolam> Adriannom, post a bug report using ubuntu-bug in time you encounter large ram usage, explaining what web pages stayed open during that time of ram inflation.
[05:01] <cfhowlett> Adriannom purge all your .mozilla files from /home    and test FF     ???
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> holstein: i suggested him: swappiness 10,network buffer 0,preload,cleaning cache folder FF
[05:01] <nikolam> you just need launchpad account to post bugs
[05:01] <holstein> you can just rename .mozilla.bak or whatever.. for a tes
[05:01] <holstein> test*
[05:02] <Adriannom> nikolam, ok
[05:02] <nikolam> yup, maybe some addon or profile thing
[05:02] <Adriannom> cfhowlett, will do
[05:02] <Adriannom> oh right, yeah, i'll rename
[05:03] <nikolam> Also Adriannom apps use RAM if it is otherwise not used, to speed things up. Also referrign RAM does not mean that app is using all of it, there are 2 colums in top.
[05:03] <michaelgamble> im probably going to kicked for asking this.. but a bash script is simply a file with a .sh extension?? (its been ages since ive done it)
[05:04] <nikolam> By default, also Linux do memory overcommit, that could be changed if affecting some apps being killed because some other app is ram crazy and eats ram plus swap
[05:04] <Adriannom> cfhowlett, holstein, i renamed .mozilla and ran ff, looks like a fresh install, sitting at the google homepage, taking 1gb ram
[05:04] <Adriannom> nikolam, ok... that makes it... deceptive
[05:05] <Adriannom> nikolam, however when ff was using 6gb it was moving like a snail
[05:05] <cfhowlett> Adriannom    what the heck kind of plugins did you have??
[05:05] <Adriannom> really long graphics refreshes etc.
[05:06] <Adriannom> cfhowlett, it was 1gb on first start before the rename
[05:06] <nikolam> Adriannom, sounds like something was leaking memory and used SWAP
[05:06] <Adriannom> nikolam, so you're thinking probably a site?
[05:07] <morenoh152> !lvm
[05:07] <Stoner19> Can someone help resolve “could not connect to RPC API!” error
[05:07] <Adriannom> just so i'm clear here, is 1gb ram on a fresh ff boot standard?
[05:07] <morenoh152> Adriannom: how many tabs?
[05:07] <Adriannom> 1
[05:08] <Adriannom> it's fresh
[05:08] <Adriannom> literally
[05:08] <nikolam> Adriannom, apps use RAM if it is unused. to speed things up. but many tabs open plus long time FF open, could be sites scripts/flash doing something (Use Noscript, flashblock) of FF itself leaking etc.
[05:08] <Adriannom> only current addon is ubuntu mods
[05:08] <Adriannom> nikolam, so that's a yes?
[05:09] <nikolam> Adriannom, I could only suppose FF uses RAM relative to RAM available to system, ask Mozilla guys.
[05:09] <Adriannom> ah, good thought
[05:10] <nikolam> I would like him to use it, to speed things up..
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> make your life easy and reinstall ubuntu 14.04 clean
[05:11] <Adriannom> well i have a wealth of information to work from now, thanks lotuspsychje, nikolam, cfhowlett, holstein, reisio :)
[05:11] <cfhowlett> Adriannom happy2help
[05:11] <nikolam> or better xubuntu, since it will use less RAM and comes without default spyware in Ubuntu leaking to Amazon, etc.
[05:12] <Adriannom> i'm using flashback
[05:12] <Adriannom> couldn't dig xfce
[05:12] <Adriannom> i did try it for a while
[05:12] <Sunstream> default spyware?!
[05:13] <ubuntu-studio>  is this chat room about ASg firewall ?
[05:13] <nikolam> what's wrong with xfce Adriannom . It is only one that you can manage how you like
[05:13] <Adriannom> nikolam, i can't remember the particulars, i guess i was too used to gnome 2
[05:13] <cfhowlett> ubuntu-studio this is ubuntu support
[05:13] <nikolam> Sunstream, yeah, yeah, some people say that leaking user personal data in Ubuntu to external sites & IP address consists of what spyware usually do...
[05:14] <amzolt> Which is more user friendly, Clonzilla or FSArchiver?
[05:14] <nikolam> Adriannom, I am on xfce from 2006 onward. It is only sane solution right now to get normal desktop if one wants to avoid Unity problems
[05:14] <ubuntu-studio> list
[05:14] <Sunstream> I know what spyware is, What I do not get is default install of Ubuntu has spyware?
[05:14] <Adriannom> nikolam, i avoid unity with gnome-flashback
[05:14] <cfhowlett> amzolt depends on the user, right?  try both
[05:15] <nikolam> Sunstream, search google for articles on that.
[05:15] <cfhowlett> !nolens|Sunstream this is a religious debate related to the ubuntu lenses.
[05:15] <Adriannom> Sunstream, sad state of affairs right?
[05:15] <amzolt> gotcha, cf
[05:15] <nikolam> Sunstream, Ubuntu does it by default. One can change it in Unity, but.. it is still default.
[05:16] <cfhowlett> Sunstream you can disable lens or you can use a non-unity desktop environment - or use one of the other flavors
[05:16] <Sunstream> I installed lubuntu because Unity was too demanding
[05:16] <nikolam> cfhowlett, I wouldn't call leaking personal searches and one's IP to 3rd party by default any more religious then wanting to make more money by Canonical.
[05:17] <cfhowlett> nikolam agree to disagree - happily alternatives abound.
[05:17] <nikolam> Sunstream, yeah and i like xubuntu even better , lubuntu IS lowest demanding desktop, that is right.
[05:17] <Adriannom> yeah it's pretty straightforward. follow the money. it need not be religious if you do that
[05:18] <Sunstream> It works best for me.
[05:18] <nikolam> cfhowlett, well, I don't recommend to anyone to use Unity because of default leaking settings. Simply, I can sleep well if i don't. Hopefully, ubuntu respins are OK and use same software.
[05:18] <Sunstream> 512 MiB ram with a celery chip
[05:19] <cfhowlett> !flavors | nikolam        I've  been deliriously happy with ubuntustudio for years
[05:19] <nikolam> my opinion is that 512MB is to low even for one FF session with few tabs (used to use it on EEEPC 701 and it is not pleasant)
[05:20] <cfhowlett> Sunstream lubuntu is optimized for low/older specification hardware.
[05:20] <nikolam> cfhowlett, is studio still alive? I heard it stopped releasing??
[05:20] <Sunstream> Nods. like mine
[05:21] <nikolam> and Xubuntu is just one step ahead of it, with xfce also using GTK like GNOME, but with less RAM
[05:21] <cfhowlett> nikolam *BLASPHEMY*  :)   It's been a regular release since 2007.  current version is 14.04
[05:21] <cfhowlett> !studio | nikolam
[05:21] <nikolam> cfhowlett, ok, sorry :P what was with those news, then about it?
[05:21] <Adriannom> yeah i also heard ubuntu studio stopped
[05:21] <cfhowlett> Adriannom   nikolam well, there was the change from gnome to XFCE
[05:22] <Adriannom> and that there were methods for installing the packages instead
[05:22] <Adriannom> i use it on my dj machine, can't see how it would be good unless you're doing audio/video work though
[05:22] <nikolam> ah cfhowlett nice, didn't know that. Is that then another crew managing it. Dunno why then they would put up info on Net of stopping it.
[05:23] <Sunstream> I have a Dell Inspiron 1100 its older heh celery chip Xubuntu will likely work
[05:23] <Geekybound> So I found out that fglrx legacy drivers only work with Ubuntu 12.04.1 and prior. Is there any way to get  12.04.1?
[05:23] <cfhowlett> nikolam people come and go just like all FOSS projects
[05:23] <nikolam> cfhowlett, then someone malicious putter that news of stopping ubuntu studio or something else happed.
[05:24] <cfhowlett> nikolam could be FUD ...
[05:24] <Adriannom> probably just people changed their mind or something
[05:24] <Sunstream> This system runs better than the default OS (XP) that was on i
[05:24] <Sunstream> t
[05:24] <Hypersonic1> Where should I add "xset m 20/12 0" so that it applies automatically at boot?
[05:24] <Adriannom> Sunstream, plus ubuntu is actually currently supported ;)
[05:25] <Sunstream> That too
[05:25] <Geekybound> Er does anyone know where on earth I could find it?
[05:25] <nikolam> Geekybound, it depend on linux kernel supported by closed fglrx driver. Linux does n ot offer binary compatibility between kernels (that is why some things are recompiled during closed driver install) and you need to check AMD wiki for hardware support
[05:25] <Sunstream> less viruses on Linux as well despite it being open source
[05:25] <morenoh152> anyone know how to make my current server raid 1? I recently bought a new harddrive and my current setup has lvm
[05:25] <Geekybound> Yeah I understand, but I'm trying to get the proprietary fglrx legacy and it only works on 12.04.1 and I can't find it anywhere
[05:26] <cfhowlett> !raid | morenoh152
[05:26] <nikolam> Geekybound, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page , http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware or use open driver.
[05:26] <cfhowlett> morenoh152 might want to see the #ubuntu-server channel
[05:27] <morenoh152> cfhowlett: thnx
[05:27] <nikolam> Geekybound, if you use older AMD graphics, you are at a mercy of a AMD that produces fglrc closed drivers. Nvidia have much longer proprietary driver support for their graphics. On the other hand, Open drivers for Radeons are much better for Linux.
[05:27] <Geekybound> Well AMD really sucks then.
[05:28] <Sunstream> Strange how Linux has very little viruses afaik. I think Mac has more
[05:28] <nikolam> Geekybound, not if you use LTS anyway and want to use it for some years and you change machine after that period, anyway. And Open drivers catch up.
[05:29]  * nikolam would like to see reports of actuall ways of spreading Linunx viruses
[05:29] <Geekybound> I would use the open drivers but they make Minecraft run abhorrently.
[05:29] <Geekybound> I really just am looking for 12.04.1 LTS
[05:29] <Geekybound> the iso or torrent for it.
[05:30] <nikolam> Maybe because programs repositories used are mostly open source, and checked and build from source and users are generally with a bit more brains then average users on other platforms (not running every .exe one finds)
[05:31] <Geekybound> The closed amd legacy drivers stopped being supported after 12.04.1
[05:31] <nikolam> Geekybound, repoert it as a bug if running 14.04. (for Open drivers), check that hardware support page. Why using old LTS, when there is new one?
[05:31] <nikolam> well that is for your graphics hardware then.
[05:31] <nikolam> what it is, btw?
[05:32] <Geekybound> ati mobillity radeon hd 2600
[05:32] <cfhowlett> Geekybound http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[05:33] <nikolam> Geekybound, sqweek at AMD or Open drivers or older Linux. Or change hardware/graphics.
[05:34] <Geekybound> The hardware...can't be switched...its in a laptop
[05:34] <Geekybound> You could change a GPU in a laptop but it would have to be the exact same hardware
[05:36] <dejavou42> I'm having a bit of an issue with boot time after upgrading to 14.04. It takes about 1:30 - 1:45 to boot to login screen, and then another 2:00 after logging in to be able to open a program. I've looked at my dmesg log, and the biggest jump (other than right after mounting hdd) involves plymouth.
[05:37] <nikolam> Geekybound, they say open driver improove.. so after 12.04 is not usable for you anymore.. change laptop or use open drivers.
[05:37] <nikolam> short time fglrx support window is why I am not buying AMD integrated graphics anymore. Unless they work fine with Open drivers.
[05:38] <dejavou42> init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process ended, respawning
[05:38] <Sunstream> So the consences is that "no one uses linux so no reason to write viruses" hmm it seems to be slowly changing (the no one using part)
[05:38] <dejavou42> init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process (2053) terminated with status 1
[05:38] <nikolam> 12.04 is supposedly supported on Desktop untill 26 April 2017, so you are lucky if you can say so.
[05:40] <nikolam> Sunstream, no, one can not put viruses easy in default Linux distribution building process. Because source code is visible. Distribution maker needs to be malicious and put 'features' against users for that. (Like Unity default spying settings). Or user needs to be very ignorant and use external binaries from various sites.
[05:41] <ouyes> hellopat, I have a bluetooth headset, bose A2ew, I can connect to ubuntu but no sound
[05:41] <qwerty> new to lxle
[05:42] <ouyes> no matter I choose what output, do you know how to make this headset work?
[05:43] <nikolam> ouyes, you ask producer for Linux support? Or use another headset that works out of the box. Then search on google for model and problems of other users.
[05:44] <Geekybound> I found 12.04.1
[05:44] <dejavou42> ouyes: http://askubuntu.com/questions/203272/no-a2dp-streaming-audio-from-12-04-to-bluetooth-headset
[05:44] <Sunstream> perhaps, but I see more and more people migrating to linux (thanks partly to Ubuntu's user friendly enviroment) but it is possible to get it to happen. But the main reason that these black hat coders whos ill intent is to infect computers aim at Windows more because CORPORATIONS use it and that seems to be a huge incentive to these writers.
[05:46] <causative> I'm confused how to set up zrle encoding by default with ssvncviewer.  I always have to hit f8 and enable zrle (which is much faster than Tight).  I tried passing the option -encodings zrle but it didn't work
[05:46] <nikolam> Sunstream, there are no reasons not to have viruses on Linux actually. All is there. Only production process of distributions (free open software) and users habits make it different.
[05:46] <cfhowlett> nikolam  Sunstream interesting discussion but more suited to #ubuntu-offtopic.  Thanks.
[05:47] <Sunstream> I agree
[05:47] <Sunstream> cfhowlett, I agree I will take it to off topic
[05:48] <cfhowlett> Sunstream such cooperation is a rare breath of fresh air!  TYVM!
[05:48] <Sunstream> join me in there nikolam
[05:48] <Sunstream> np
[05:49] <nikolam> yeah Sunstream this channel is for Ubuntu support.
[05:50] <nikolam> That is, I wonder why sounds stops playing if my screen gets locked.
[05:51] <Sunstream> I would think that it would be because of the feature most people who lock their screens do not want their box squawking.
[05:52] <dejavou42> causative: try using the option "-scale auto" According to the man page, zrle should automatically be selected when scaling is detected.
[05:52] <nikolam> well if you listen to the radio..
[05:52] <DJJeff> where can I ask about x11vnc?
[05:53] <causative> dejavou42, nah I figured it out, I was trying to put it into the "extra command line options" box in the ssvnc configuration but actually I just needed to type it into the "encodings" box right above it
[05:54] <causative> thanks though
[05:54] <dejavou42> np
[05:54] <dejavou42> what about it DJJeff?
[05:55] <DJJeff> dejavou42, is there an option to black out the display on the server side
[05:55] <DJJeff> for power saving purpose
[05:58] <dejavou42> DJJeff: it doesn't look like it can be easily done http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/x11vnc-black-out-host's-screen-604167/
[05:58] <michaelgamble> Hey anyone here framiliar with rtcwake commands?
[05:58] <michaelgamble> i cant figure out whats wrong with my bash script http://pastebin.com/1txA6PnN
[05:58] <michaelgamble> anyone feel like taking a peak to see what i may be doing wrong
[05:59] <DJJeff> dejavou42, thanks for checking
[05:59] <OmegaVII> Hi all
[05:59] <dejavou42> DJJeff: you could ssh into the box, that would keep the display black
[05:59] <dejavou42> but even if there was a black out option, it wouldn't save power as the monitor would still be active
[06:00] <DJJeff> damn
[06:01] <OmegaVII> i disable "Cursor Blinking" in All Settings -> Keyboard
[06:01] <DJJeff> only temp solution I will use (as its just my laptop) is just turn the laptop brightness way down
[06:01] <OmegaVII> but the cursor in unity dash is still blinking
[06:01] <dejavou42> what are you trying to do remotely?
[06:02] <reisio> you should be able to turn off the display with xset or the like
[06:02] <morenoh152> how do you make a partition extended with gparted?
[06:02] <reisio> or your DE's power manager frontend
[06:02] <reisio> morenoh152: it's a "type"
[06:02] <reisio> morenoh152: not much point in making a partition that type, however :)
[06:03] <morenoh152> well my main drive has /dev/sda2 - extended /dev/sda5 - lvm
[06:03] <morenoh152> I need to reproduce that on a clean drive
[06:03] <morenoh152> in order to raid them
[06:03] <reisio> you can dump a partition layout with sfdisk
[06:04] <reisio> sfdisk -d /dev/sdFOO
[06:05] <reisio> man page has usage
[06:06] <reisio> but :)
[06:06] <reisio> it's unlikely you're using raid properly
[06:06] <reisio> most people think of it as a way to make your data redundant
[06:06] <reisio> but it's really more about making access to that data redundant
[06:06] <Sunstream> which is the best virus scanner for Linux AVG?
[06:06] <reisio> that is: raid is good for access, and awful for backup
[06:06] <cfhowlett> !virus | Sunstream
[06:06] <reisio> Sunstream: clamav is fine
[06:06] <morenoh152> reisio: yeah. I'm trying to move my current setup to raid but most tuts have you setup raid from the outset
[06:07] <reisio> you also have to distinguish between Android, which uses Linux, and is made by infants
[06:07] <reisio> and GNU/Linux, which uses Linux and GNU, and is mature and stable and secure
[06:07] <reisio> morenoh152: I doubt you want raid :)
[06:08] <morenoh152> reisio: lol yes I do. I bought two 1tb hdds and I've wanted to raid them for a while
[06:08] <reisio> raid is great for people who make money on redundant -access-, enough money to buy hundreds of disks for a single set of data
[06:08] <reisio> and awful for most everyone else
[06:08] <reisio> morenoh152: I think you want to mirror them
[06:08] <reisio> raid is something else
[06:08] <reisio> it has a mirror by coincidence, that's not really its purpose
[06:08] <morenoh152> reisio: raid 1 is mirroring
[06:08] <reisio> it's bad mirroring :)
[06:08] <morenoh152> is there a better mirroring solution?
[06:08] <reisio> it's mirroring for the sake of access speed, and not for the sake of keeping your data safe
[06:09] <reisio> yeah, look into lsyncd
[06:09] <reisio> or just a daily cron job with rsync
[06:09] <reisio> or even rdiff-backup (also uses rsync) to save space, potentially
[06:09] <Sunstream> So in other words I do not really need a scanner. Okay
[06:09] <reisio> Sunstream: not strictly, at the moment, nope
[06:09] <reisio> clamav takes up very little space and is useful, though
[06:10] <cfhowlett> Sunstrestream YMMV ... you might wish to enable firewall though
[06:10] <cfhowlett> !ufw
[06:10] <reisio> nice to run files you mean to pass to Windows users through it
[06:10] <dejavou42> it is a good idea to scan your system if you share files between windows systems sunstream
[06:10] <Sunstream> I have a firewall built-in my router.
[06:10] <reisio> a benign win32 badware on your system could be rough for theirs :)
[06:10] <dejavou42> beat me too it..
[06:11] <reisio> botspam beat us both, but he needed reminding :p
[06:11] <Sunstream> well I do not share files
[06:11] <dejavou42> sunstream firewall does nothing to stop a virus when you share files
[06:11] <reisio> routers should route, not pretend they can do more :)
[06:11] <morenoh152> reisio: cron job with rsync could be a good exercise :)
[06:11] <Sunstream> okay so I should have a firewall installed ok
[06:12] <reisio> Sunstream: something to think about, at any rate
[06:12] <cfhowlett> Sunstream firewall is install but is not enabled by default
[06:13] <Sunstream> Oh ok so I should set it up
[06:13] <dejavou42> I'm having some issues with boot time after upgrading to 14.04. it is taking atleast 3:30 before I can open a program
[06:14] <dejavou42> looking at dmesg, it looks like plymouth is the bottleneck
[06:14] <Sunstream> oh it looks very very simple to set up
[06:17] <dejavou42> this is with a 3ghz dual core processor
[06:18] <michaelgamble> btw this works gret
[06:18] <michaelgamble> http://askubuntu.com/questions/61708/automatically-sleep-and-wake-up-at-specific-times
[06:20] <morenoh152> best filesystem?
[06:21] <|PuNKCaT|> Hi, I'm having issues with my soundcard - Realtek ALC880, seems to be a common problem, can't get alsa to do anything- doesn't seem to even install, don't know what else to try
[06:21] <Sunstream> ok firewall enabled
[06:21] <Sunstream> ty
[06:22] <|PuNKCaT|> on trusty
[06:22] <dupingping> http://askubuntu.com/questions/489126/understanding-about-lsb-checking-in-12-04
[06:22] <dupingping> please help me.
[06:22] <Mountain_R> Hi to everyone,  I have some problem with the lockscreen, I am using Xubuntu 14:04LTS 64bit, there's no way to put black screen, everytime I try to lock screen it switch off the monitor, I just want to blank it, no more. Can someone help me?
[06:25] <cfhowlett> !xubuntu|Mountain_R
[06:26] <Sunstream> thank you my firewall is running
[06:26] <Sunstream> good night
[06:27] <__equinox> can anyone help me with sshing to my ubuntu machine
[06:30] <Mountain_R> ubottu, ok thanks
[06:32] <Mountain_R> !ubuntu
[06:33] <dejavou42> http://picpaste.com/aa4b693458d39ed9069f8b7ac2585c2e.png here is my bootchart
[06:43] <causative> that's pretty interesting dejavou42 , what it lacks is better navigation tools
[06:44] <morenoh152> how do I list my installed harddrives?
[06:44] <causative> fdisk -l
[06:44] <dejavou42> fdisk -l
[06:44] <dejavou42> lol
[06:44] <jackarius86> du -h
[06:44] <morenoh152> :? fdisk -l gives me no outpu
[06:45] <causative> sudo fdisk -l
[06:45] <jackarius86> mb, that command was meant for terminal :)
[06:45] <dejavou42> causative: I didn't design that. That is a graphical boot chart in the repos. I'm having long boot times of ~3.5 min before I can open a program
[06:45] <causative> also, mount with no parameters, and df -h
[06:46] <morenoh152> okay I see my disks. how do I find their mount points if they're mounted?
[06:46] <ktwo> hey, um is there some good looking "apple style" dockbar where the icons grow depending on mouse position?
[06:46] <causative> the mount command with no parameters shows you mount points
[06:47] <dejavou42> cairo dock
[06:47] <ktwo> thx
[06:47] <dejavou42> np
[06:48] <morenoh152> causative: you sure? I get this
[06:48] <morenoh152> mount | grep sda
[06:48] <morenoh152> /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw)
[06:48] <lng> Hi! My ubuntu 14.04 freezes after waking it up from suspend. How to fix it?
[06:48] <morenoh152> I need to finds sda5 and sdb1
[06:48] <causative> well sda5 must not be mounted if you didn't find it there
[06:50] <morenoh152> uh no way. I know sda5 is mounted to /
[06:50] <morenoh152> I'm running it lol
[06:51] <dejavou42> morenoh152: sudo fdisk -l
[06:51] <dejavou42> what does it say for system for sda5?
[06:51] <causative> you can try sudo mount, I'm not sure if that makes any difference
[06:52] <morenoh152> sudo fdisk -l | grep sda5
[06:52] <morenoh152> Disk /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root doesn't contain a valid partition table
[06:52] <sidd> Helllo there !!!
[06:52] <morenoh152> Disk /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-swap_1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
[06:52] <morenoh152> /dev/sda5          501760<PHONE_NUMBER>   976510976   8e  Linux LVM
[06:52] <causative> it doesn't make any difference on my system
[06:52] <dejavou42> you haven't formated the partition
[06:54] <sidd> I couldn't connect to 'dsl' in linux mint17 using 'pppoeconf'. But the same is working on Ubuntu 14.04. What i'm supposed to do? Please help..
[06:54] <rat_> Does anyone here know what is responsible for creating directories under /media for mounting removable media as a user?
[06:55] <morenoh152> it is formatted it's an LVM volume. In my file manager I see 908 GB available. I have to be running /dev/sda2,/dev/sda5 as /
[06:56] <rat_> Because it doesn't fix the permissions on the directory if they are wrong, like after changing the UID of a user that has already mounted a usb thumb drive.
[06:56] <sammy007> How to allow user to bind application to SSL port?
[06:56] <sammy007> *regular user
[06:56] <sidd> \part
[06:56] <dejavou42> rat_ : ubuntu
[06:56] <morenoh152> not the point. I just have to mount /dev/sdb1 and setup rsync w.e.
[06:56] <flound1139> anyone have any experience with LUKS-encrypted partitions?  I have a (root) partition that won't mount on boot after upgrading to trusty
[06:56] <flound1139> it just hangs after entering the passphrase
[06:56] <dejavou42> rat_ : autofs creates the directories
[06:57] <rat_> dejavou42, are you asking a question?
[06:57] <rat_> autofs, like the autmounter?
[06:57] <dejavou42> no I was being a smart@ss with the ubuntu answer
[06:57] <rat_> like the same thing that mounts nfs volumes on demand?
[06:58] <rat_> well, really any volume type
[06:58] <morenoh152> for those following my questions fstab has:
[06:58] <dejavou42> rat_ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[06:58] <ikonia> morenoh152: please don't paste fstab in this channel
[06:58] <ikonia> morenoh152: please use a pastebin
[07:00] <dejavou42> morenoh152: to use rsync you have to mount the partition.
[07:02] <dejavou42> you can't mount the partition if it has not been formated.
[07:02] <rat_> I am prety sure autofs has nothing to do with /media
[07:03] <rat_> udisks looks like a candidate
[07:07] <dejavou42> rat_ what are you trying to do?
[07:15] <e3d3> Hi, I've try to control my processess, just discovered cron, but don't understand what I've read enough. How to remove the cron-program save ?
[07:16] <BlackBeaver> Hi
[07:16] <morenoh152> anyone know how to mount an LVM volume? pvs is listing the partition but it has not volumeGroup listed
[07:16] <rat_> dejavou42, I changed the UID of a user, and they were unable to read an inserted thumbdrive.
[07:17] <BlackBeaver> hi
[07:17] <rat_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/+bug/1335384
[07:18] <rat_> dejavou42, I just filed that bug
[07:18] <dejavou42> rat_ : is the thumb drive mounting?
[07:18] <rat_> yep
[07:19] <e3d3> How to get in channel #ubuntu-beginners ?
[07:19] <rat_> it's mounting into /media/rat, like expected.
[07:19] <dejavou42> can you access the thumbdrive from "sudo nautilus"?
[07:19] <Beldar> e3d3, Merged with this one a while back.
[07:19] <rat_> But rat had no permissions, because the ACLs on /media/rat were wrong.
[07:19] <e3d3> Beldar, thanks
[07:20] <Beldar> np
[07:20] <rat_> You can see the exact ACLs in the bug.
[07:20] <dejavou42> sudo chown -R rat /media/rat ?
[07:21] <rat_> dejavou42, I could have done that, but that doesn't appear to be what udisks would have created.
[07:21] <rat_> udisks2 creates a directory /media/<username> owned by root:root with and extra ACL of user:<username>:rwx
[07:21] <rat_> Just like is shown in the bug.
[07:22] <rat_> excuse me, I mean user:<username>:r-x
[07:23] <morenoh152> okay. the answer was I was using LVM. So /dev/sda5 is mounted using some mapper. More to the point - in order to mount a new lvm volume you need `vgextend` http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/addpvstovg.html
[07:24] <morenoh152> now I don't know if I also need to add this to fstab or what happens on reboot
[07:26] <dejavou42> rat_ from what I am seeing, after reboot, the user should change automatically when the thumbdrive was reconnected
[07:26] <rat_> Didn't happen.
[07:26] <dejavou42> hmm that is odd
[07:26] <rat_> The directory was the same as before the reboot.
[07:27] <rat_> I looked at the ACL before a reboot and rebooted to see if that would fix it.
[07:27] <rat_> It did not.
[07:27] <rat_> It seems that udisks2 just doesn't modify the directory if it already exists.
[07:27] <rat_> I don't know that for sure, as I haven't looked at the code.
[07:28] <rat_> However, that was the behavior I saw in this case.
[07:31] <rat_> dejavou42, thanks for helping me find the info
[07:32] <dejavou42> I didn't really help, I kind of led you down the wrong path...
[07:32] <rat_> dejavou42, sometime a wrong path is better than no path
[07:33] <rat_> I found the right place due to seeing the wrong path in this case. :)
[07:34] <rat_> gotta run, later
[07:35]  * tao999 hello
[07:52] <morenoh152> yep still gotta add it to fstab
[07:52] <morenoh152> read the whole docs on lvm. Now I grok it
[08:00] <deeps_> anyone there to help ?
[08:01] <deeps_> hello? someone there?
[08:02] <gcbirzan> Nope.
[08:02] <gcbirzan> But you can still just ask. Someone might walk in!
[08:03] <deeps_> I had installed ubuntu on an external hdd with manual partioning by giving 25gb for / (ext4,primary partn) , 5gb swap (primary) and installed grub in ext also.. but booting from ext hdd gave me blank black screen. How to boot from it..? Also I have a NTFS partion on it with my personal data
[08:04] <ikonia> deeps_: your bios needs to support boot from usb
[08:04] <deeps_> yep..did it
[08:04] <reisio> deeps_: you need to install grub to internal, or
[08:05] <reisio> deeps_: if there's another OS on the internal, tell its boot loader about your external OS
[08:05] <ikonia> deeps_: then grub needs to be on the master boot record of the drive you are booting from
[08:05] <deeps_> but it shows a cursor to left...led on hdd blinks for a second..then there is no activity
[08:05] <deeps_> during installation i choose to install grub on ext hdd
[08:05] <reisio> that doesn't sound incredibly unlike what happens if you try to boot a drive with no OS on it
[08:06] <keepguessing> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7715030/ <<< why am I not able to get passwd less access to "myuser" is %sudo the issue?
[08:06] <deeps_> also my laptop has win 7 and win 8 dual boot
[08:07] <reisio> deeps_: so which OSes can you boot ATM?
[08:07] <ikonia> keepguessing: because your syntax is wrong
[08:07] <deeps_> my internal OS
[08:07] <deeps_> win 7 and 8
[08:08] <deeps_> but cant boot from ext hdd
[08:08] <deeps_> in which i installed 14.04
[08:08] <deeps_> i tried to install 12.04 but still the problem persisted..
[08:09] <keepguessing> ikonia, can you specify where is it wrong?
[08:09] <deeps_> i had my another laptop in which i booted the hdd but it gave "unknown file system and grub rescue prompt"
[08:10] <ikonia> keepguessing: ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[08:11] <reisio> deeps_: install easybcd on your default (internal) OS
[08:11] <reisio> deeps_: use it to add a boot item for grub on the external
[08:12] <koell> Hey guys, how do I update my zsh to the latest version 5.0.5?
[08:12] <ikonia> koell: if there is not a package available for you - don't
[08:12] <ikonia> koell: why do you need 5.0.5 ?
[08:13] <koell> ikonia: taskwarrior & zsh bug
[08:13] <ikonia> koell: then log a bug against your current package
[08:13] <ikonia> koell: do you know if 5.0.5 fixes the bug ?
[08:13] <keepguessing> koell, its still not working
[08:13] <keepguessing> ikonia, ^^^^
[08:13] <koell> ikonia: bug is already known, fix --> update to zsh 5.0.5
[08:13] <keepguessing> koell, i referred to you by mistake
[08:13] <ikonia> koell: log a bug against your package then
[08:14] <ikonia> keepguessing: what's the error
[08:14] <keepguessing> ikonia, there is no error
[08:14] <keepguessing> I close visudo without any issue.
[08:14] <koell> i dont need to log for a well known bug :)
[08:14] <koell> so the only way is to compile it myself from source?
[08:14] <ikonia> koell: of course you need to log a bug or it won't get fixed
[08:15] <ikonia> keepguessing: could you pleasea pastebin your whole sudoers file EXACTLY as it is on your machine
[08:15] <koell> ikonia: the bug is already known to zsh and taskwarrior :D there is no need for me to do that again
[08:16] <ikonia> koell: is it logged against the ubuntu package ?
[08:16] <koell> ikonia: idk xD
[08:16] <ikonia> koell: ok - so I say for a final time "log a bug against the package"
[08:16] <morenoh152> anyone know if there's a diff between dir/ and dir ?
[08:16] <koell> ikonia: doesnt matter, as of the next release there will be the newest zsh in the packages
[08:17] <keepguessing> ikonia, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7715134/
[08:17] <ikonia> koell: ok, if thats what you want to do, wait for the next release
[08:17] <koell> man, now i know why people switch to rolling release =(
[08:17] <ikonia> keepguessing: is your user in the "admin" group
[08:17] <ikonia> or the "sudo" group
[08:19] <keepguessing> ikonia, sudo group
[08:19] <ikonia> keepguessing: ok, so look at your rules, it conflicts
[08:19] <ikonia> the sudo rule is overriding your individual rule
[08:19] <keepguessing> ikonia, thats what I asked originally is sudo overriding
[08:19] <koell> ikonia: thanks :)
[08:19] <keepguessing> ikonia, let me swap the lines
[08:20] <ikonia> keepguessing: just put your line at the bottom
[08:20] <koell> ikonia: do u know how i log that bug? is there a tool for like "log ..."
[08:20] <ikonia> !bug | koell
[08:20] <koell> awesome! \o/
[08:21] <keepguessing> ikonia, does it matter if I use spaces instead of tabs
[08:21] <keepguessing> ikonia, its working now :-)
[08:21] <keepguessing> thanks.
[08:22] <koell> ikonia: now thats all? really fast? so i dont need to write a bug comment or something? screenshot etc.
[08:22] <ikonia> koell: make sure there is as much "good" detail in the bug report
[08:22] <ikonia> koell: link to the external bugs if you can, don't fill it with useless junk though
[08:23] <koell> ikonia: i just did "ubuntu-bug zsh" and thats all O_o
[08:23] <ikonia> koell: right, so do what I suggested then
[08:23] <koell> ikonia: there was a popup with details sent and i hit ok. so how do they know it is a problem with taskwarrior then?
[08:24] <rana44> ciao
[08:24] <reisio> shalom
[08:24] <ikonia> koell: you put the details in, as I've said 2, 3 times now
[08:24] <koell> ikonia: there are no details to put in, just a popup where i hit ok :D
[08:24] <koell> im sorry beeing that nnoob :D
[08:25] <ikonia> koell: you get a bug id - update the bug with as much information as possible
[08:26] <koell> ikonia: oh there is a new tab in browser i closed xD okey thanks, now i know how to log a bug, thanks a lot ikonia :)
[08:55] <alexxio> i need help removing opendjk  from my installation and installing oracle
[08:55] <alexxio> $ java -v Unrecognized option: -v Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine. Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
[08:56] <ikonia> -v is not a valid flag
[08:56] <ikonia> its -version
[08:57] <alexxio> ah ok
[08:57] <alexxio> it works
[09:14] <ackley> .
[09:14] <utilisateur> viadere jeanfranck
[09:25] <dry[1]> hi. have you got some problems to connect other countries right now?
[09:36] <reisio> dry[1]: hrmm?
[09:38] <dry[1]> reisio: are you able to connect with websites from East Europe or American websites?
[09:39] <air3> Hi
[09:39] <air3> May I ask a question please?
[09:40] <air3> hi
[09:40] <air3> can you read my messages?test123
[09:40] <dry[1]> air3: yes. I can
[09:40] <air3> oh ok thank you sorry
[09:40] <air3> May I ask a question regarding Ubuntu please? thanks
[09:40] <dry[1]> air3: no problem
[09:40] <dry[1]> air3: yes
[09:41] <air3> I installed Ubuntu on the macbook pro, but the trackpad is really strange. Its like the cursor is very jumpy and buggy
[09:41] <air3> its not the same on OSX. on OSX the cursor is smooth with no bugs,etc. but on ubuntu the cursor feels and acts buggy
[09:42] <air3> like its all over the place
[09:44] <air3> how come theres like 1550 people here but no one is talking ???
[09:45] <dry[1]> reisio, air3: http://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/29b7gt/bts_dns_servers_arent_working/
[09:46] <air3> wow
[09:46] <air3> ok thanks
[09:46] <air3> may I please ask you dry[1]
[09:46] <Prasanth> hai
[09:46] <air3> how you found out abut that?.
[09:46] <reisio> air3: 'cause people leave their IRC running while they sleep
[09:47] <air3> like some app that gives news?,etc??
[09:47] <air3> oh ok
[09:47] <air3> hi
[09:47] <reisio> dry[1]: this have something to do with Ubuntu?
[09:47] <dry[1]> air3: just browse it.
[09:48] <air3> ok
[09:48] <dry[1]> reisio: I didn't know where's the problem, but I've found out now.
[09:48] <air3> oh ok you just like wildstar?
[09:48] <air3> and came across it/
[09:49] <air3> but may I please ask
[09:49] <air3> why the macbook pro's mouse pad is really laggy/buggy on ubuntu?
[09:49] <air3> ubuntu is way better than OSX and I want to use ubuntu, but the mouse cursor is really messed up
[09:49] <dry[1]> air3: just ask :) you don't have to ask about asking :)
[09:49] <air3> it keeps jumping from one bit to another,etc
[09:49] <air3> ok thank you :)
[09:50] <dry[1]> air3: I don't have any macs. I can't answer you, sorry.
[09:50] <air3> ok
[09:50] <air3> but would there be drivers maybe?
[09:50] <reisio> make sure your touchpad is clean first
[09:50] <reisio> real clean
[10:03] <kam270> ubuntu needs "last known working configuration "   built in
[10:04] <edition> XWindows lets you save sessions
[10:04] <edition> im sure you could add "last known working config" to the boot menu, somehow...
[10:05] <reisio> heh
[10:05] <edition> ill try editing the boot menu, and see what happens...
[10:05] <TJ-> kam270: That's why the bootloader retains previous kernel versions when the kernel is updated, so you boot the previous kernel version in the event of some problem
[10:06] <reisio> but if there's anything Android has taught us, there's more to the system than the kernel
[10:06] <edition> i got the scope of the problem wrong, then?
[10:06] <reisio> doesn't matter :)
[10:06] <TJ-> But, it depends on what, precisely, is no longer working. The kernel may be fine but some userspace issue, or hardware configuration change, could be causing the issue
[10:07] <edition> Can't you use a restore disk?
[10:07] <kam270> im using timeshift  to make a copy of my home  and /   . I can revert back if something goes wrong . but nothing in the boot menu
[10:07] <TJ-> This is why we have 'recovery' mode in the boot menu, and can manually edit kernel command-line options to aid in recovering a broken system
[10:07] <keeper_19_86> Does the Dash use the "Keywords" i define in a .desktop file when i search for an application?
[10:09] <TJ-> kam270: Well, that's an issue for the timeshift developers.
[10:09] <taziden> Hi siltaar_
[10:11] <kam270> yeah but we need  the last known working config in the boot menu . reverting back kernels doesnt seem enough
[10:12] <kam270> and this would  make us more  brave to make changes without fear that you cant get back
[10:12] <Ben64> theres no "config" like windows has, so that will never be an option
[10:12] <kam270> everybody is scared to update a server of tinker with their system
[10:13] <Ben64> if you run a server, you should know what you can modify safely
[10:13] <TJ-> kam270: I use file-system snapshots (via lvm)
[10:13] <TJ-> On most systems I have /etc/ as a git repo
[10:14] <kam270> ive just put our servers in a VM and back that up once a week
[10:14] <reisio> course Windows' doesn't work :p
[10:14] <kam270> but man it would be nice to have the last known working config option
[10:15] <reisio> version control is pretty straightforward
[10:15] <reisio> kam270: 's'called backups :)
[10:15] <Ben64> kam270: again, there is no "config" so thats never going to happen. learn your system better
[10:15] <reisio> if you have a backup of everything, you have all the configS
[10:16] <Ben64> if you manage to stop linux from booting, then you've done something terrible
[10:16] <kam270> i have the vm backed up.  but i want last knwon....   everybody wants the last known
[10:16] <kam270> lol
[10:16] <Ben64> nobody wants it
[10:17] <Ben64> just you, and its not going to happen.
[10:17] <TJ-> kam270: Have you heard of change control?
[10:17] <kam270> TJ-,  yes
[10:17] <bekks> kam270: If you have a backup, you have the "last known".
[10:17] <thelodger> hey folks, any idea why my 14.04's python 3.4.0 hasn't updated to 3.4.1?
[10:17] <kam270> thats what last known is about
[10:18] <reisio> if it's a vm you can just make a snapshot
[10:18] <reisio> it's even simpler
[10:18] <bekks> kam270: If you want a more finegrained backup, you have to use a full blown backup solution capable of saving "the last working" config of windows, like NetBackup.
[10:18] <kam270> reisio, thats what i do
[10:18] <reisio> thelodger: what makes you think it should be
[10:18] <reisio> kam270: ok...
[10:18] <reisio> IRC is not your blog or twitter feed :p
[10:18] <reisio> it's not for just complaining to no end :p
[10:19] <kam270> its a feature request man
[10:19] <Ben64> thelodger: 3.4.0 is the latest on trusty
[10:19] <Ben64> kam270: for like the 5th time, not going to happen. drop it already
[10:19] <thelodger> reisio: bugfixes =D
[10:21] <thelodger> Ben64: ah okay! So 3.4.1 hasn't been packaged for it yet or do you think it will at all due to LTS-ness? =)
[10:21] <Ben64> thelodger: usually package versions don't change in a release unless theres a big bug or something
[10:22] <Ben64> thelodger: or it might get put into -backports or something, will have to wait and see
[10:23] <thelodger> Ben64: Cool, cheers =) Mainly looking for the ensurepip fix anyway =P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1290847
[10:29] <evaty> join #mac
[10:30] <evaty> hi
[10:30] <reisio> evaty: hi
[10:30] <evaty> i have mac pro
[10:30] <Cameleon> someone inhere knows how to "install" a tar.gz file?
[10:31] <sveta> Cameleon, I suspect that you need to untar it (tar -xvf foo.tar.gz) and then look at the readme.
[10:31] <Cameleon> I did that and it gave me haedace
[10:31] <sveta> it's either a directory with a binary where you have to put the entire directory to a convenient location, or source you need to compile.
[10:31] <evaty> reisio: and i'm looking for help in instalation a GPL program on it.
[10:31] <Ben64> Cameleon: you should check in the repositories first, and see if a ppa exists second
[10:31] <reisio> Cameleon: ^
[10:31] <sveta> Cameleon, please give more details then.
[10:31] <reisio> evaty: what program is that?
[10:32] <Cameleon> miro video converter
[10:32] <evaty> reisio: from git hub
[10:32] <reisio> evaty: what program is that?
[10:32] <evaty> reisio: embroidermodder
[10:32] <Ben64> Cameleon: try using avconv instead
[10:32] <reisio> sounds neat
[10:32] <reisio> try using ffmpeg instead :)
[10:33] <evaty> http://embroidermodder.github.io/news0.html
[10:33] <evaty> reisio: ^^
[10:33] <Cameleon> Ben64.. does it use cuda?
[10:33] <reisio> whoa, retro site
[10:33] <Ben64> Cameleon: unlikely
[10:34] <Cameleon> the reason I wanna try Miro Video Converter is as I understand it, it uses cuda
[10:34] <Ben64> Cameleon: then find a ppa, like i suggested
[10:35] <Cameleon> I will try that
[10:35] <reisio> there's nothing any video converter can do that ffmpeg can't :p
[11:00] <guest29> hello
[11:01] <SeaK> Hi
[11:04] <george__> Hi all, does anyone know which package provides bluetooth-applet? I'm using i3wm if that makes a difference.
[11:04] <neutralizer> hi, I bought a nokia 220 phone. It has a USB port and I can see it with lsusb. It allows me to connect SD card storage to ubuntu but what I want is to hook into phone internal storage with USB. Can I force mount to phone storage?
[11:05] <MonkeyDust> george__  bluetooth applet? what's it supposed to do?
[11:05] <george__> or... if bluetooth-applet is now obselete, is there a replacement I can install?
[11:05] <george__> MonkeyDust: a system tray icon that i can click on to pair devices, connect, etc.
[11:05] <MonkeyDust> george__  ok, try blueman (bluetooth manager)
[11:06] <george__> MonkeyDust: TY.
[11:10] <confuso> Hi. I want to install some packages from a ubuntu 14.04 live usb stick. I mounted it to /mnt/ and the repositories are in /dists. I added the line "deb file:/mnt/ trusty main multiverse restricted universe" to the sources.list. But when I do "apt-get update", I get messages like "Ign file: trusty/main Translation-en". Is my entry wrong or what I'm doing wrong?
[11:12] <mauro> gravity
[11:14] <Guest56832> Is someone here having an external hardisk enclousore with HotSwap function?\
[11:15] <Elengil> ok, im trying to use UNetbootin to turn an older pc I'm no longer using into a media center for family use and trying to load it with Ubuntu 14.04 on a 64 GB USB flash drive...
[11:16] <Elengil> anyone got experience doing something like that?
[11:16] <jiohdi> elengil, what sort of issue are you having?
[11:16] <Guest56832> Elengil: you wish to replace the Hardisk with USB or you just wish to install from usb?
[11:18] <Elengil> well, im trying to run the entire os from a flash drive, since i tend to use USB external drives for the actual media (less mess inside a rather cramped old pc, and easier transfer of new stuff)
[11:19] <ikonia> Elengil: what you are saying makes no sense
[11:19] <ikonia> Elengil: if you are running on older hardware you want as much of a local install as possile
[11:19] <mauro> list
[11:19] <ikonia> rather than livemedia
[11:19] <ikonia> mauro: no wares here
[11:20] <jiohdi> instead of unetbootin you might want to try >>    dd if=image.iso of=\\.\x: bs=4M
[11:20] <jiohdi> where of=/dev/sbx
[11:21] <jiohdi> whatever sb your usb is
[11:21] <Dave77> how do I fix mplayer libGL.so.1 file not found error?
[11:21] <ikonia> install mesa/gl library packages
[11:21] <ikonia> or look at what it's looking for and make sure it's in the right place
[11:22] <unkn-error> Elengil: the usb have a limited number of writes, so your usb stick will brick over the time
[11:22] <jiohdi> unkn-error, if you calculate that out its like 10 years
[11:22] <Elengil> ive been using one of my older ones for over 5 years and not a single issue...
[11:22] <ikonia> Elengil: use a standard hard disk on older hardware
[11:23] <ikonia> help it along
[11:23] <Elengil> ironically, im having more issues with ide hard drives than the usb...
[11:23] <ikonia> nothing ironic about tht
[11:24] <unkn-error> Elengil: if you really wish to use that usb stick, then, Boot from a Live CD/DVD/Other uUsb Stick, and install it on the one with 64 gb
[11:25] <unkn-error> Here, on my PC, If I install ubuntu into an USB which is 2.0 but oit is a fast usb, the system is runnong slower,
[11:25] <unkn-error> compared with the "live" usb version
[11:26] <Baako> any php or python programmer here? I am having issues find a good editor to use. I have try netbean but it has too much bugs
[11:26] <unkn-error> you can also play with LILI  (linux live key) here => http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[11:26] <ikonia> Baako: try ##php or #python
[11:26] <ikonia> running a live OS from USB on older hardware is a bad idea
[11:33] <Dave77> are there any command line executables for linux that can browse youtube?
[11:33] <ikonia> things like elinks and lynx will browse it
[11:33] <ikonia> they are shell based web browsers
[11:38] <Baako> how to i install a .deb file and all its dependies? will sudo dpkg -i do install the dependices as well?
[11:38] <ikonia> Baako: what exactly are you trying to install ?
[11:38] <bekks> Baako: No.
[11:39] <ikonia> dpkg -i will not meet the dependencies
[11:39] <Baako> ikonia sublime-text_build-3059_amd64.deb
[11:40] <Baako> is a code editor
[11:40] <ikonia> Baako: where are you getting the deb ?
[11:41] <Baako> from the sublime website
[11:41] <ikonia> I don't see a deb download on the subline website
[11:42] <Baako> http://www.sublimetext.com/3
[11:42] <Baako> ikonia you see it?
[11:42] <Baako> where it says Download
[11:43] <ikonia> ahh you're using the beta
[11:47] <Baako> ikonia yes but i will try the recommanded version now
[11:50] <Baako> ikonia how do i install it
[11:50] <Baako> Sublime Text 2.0.2 x64.tar.bz2
[11:51] <koell> ikonia: i now got an answer, but dont know how to install the patch. :/ do i have to change the source file myself? here is the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsh/+bug/1335397
[11:51] <ikonia> Baako: there should be instructions inside the tar file
[11:51] <koell> Baako: do u want to install sublime text 2 on ubuntu? i think there is a webupd8 ppa for!
[11:53] <Baako> koell i found it
[11:54] <Baako> http://www.oliverdavies.co.uk/blog/2013/03/quickest-way-install-sublime-text-2-ubuntu
[11:57] <Baako> i am currently ising 13.10 any good feature in 14 that someone will recommand?
[12:00] <Capprentice> Hi ! how can I clean IcedTea Java Policies? I mean the rules I have set while visiting various sites? I've never ran Java Applet on WebBrowsers before. How do I make sure there is no loop hole? If this is not the right channel, then kindly point me to the right channel please.
[12:04] <cstln21> HI all
[12:07] <Baako> what is the chmod for a read, write and execture permission
[12:07] <Baako> 666 or 777 or 644?
[12:08] <Baako> or none of them
[12:08] <bekks> Baako: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[12:13] <Baako> sudo chmod 0777 utpjoect
[12:13] <Baako> it doesn't make all folders or file in the utjoject 777
[12:14] <david`> hey
[12:14] <bekks> Baako: of course it doesnt. 777 is wrong most always.
[12:14] <bekks> Baako: what are you trying to do actually?
[12:15] <Baako> bekks wha is it
[12:15] <Baako> bekks You don't have permission to access / on this server
[12:15] <bekks> Baako: An error message. What are you actually trying to do?
[12:15] <Baako> bekks just move the php folder from windows to ubuntu
[12:16] <bekks> Baako: changing everything to 777 will break the entire box.
[12:16] <Baako> bekks hmm what do you recommand
[12:16] <bekks> Baako: so transfer the file to a directory where your user has permissions.
[12:16] <david`> help me ?
[12:16] <bekks> david`: ask a question first...
[12:17] <david`> I need sip?
[12:17] <Baako> bekks the folder is in /var/www
[12:17] <bekks> david`: how do we know?
[12:18] <david`> can help me?
[12:18] <bekks> Baako: your user has no permissions on that folder. Use another folder where your user has permissions.
[12:18] <bekks> david`: with what?
[12:18] <david`> scanner sip - voip
[12:18] <Baako> bekks i can change the permission or add the user to www-data grouo
[12:18] <Baako> group
[12:19] <bekks> Baako: you should not do that. for the third time: use a folder where your user has permissions.
[12:19] <Capprentice> Baako, create a symlink to your user home, that is /home/username/xxx-folder to /var/www
[12:20] <bekks> Capprentice: thats a bad idea, too.
[12:20] <Mountain_R> Can someone tell me the command to know the video board on my computer?
[12:20] <Capprentice> bekks, Why? It will allow me to keep files in /home but will appear as they are in /var/www !
[12:20] <Baako> Capprentice i dont quite get what you mean.
[12:21] <bekks> Capprentice: And it will impose the security issue that a user can easily compromise the webserver.
[12:21] <Capprentice> bekks, How?
[12:21] <Baako> bekks its only my local pc
[12:21] <bekks> Capprentice: By compromising the user account.
[12:22] <bekks> Baako: Then why dont you follow advice given three times now?
[12:23] <Baako> bekks i have like 19 folders inside the main folder
[12:23] <bekks> Baako: And?
[12:23] <Capprentice> bekks, Okay, dont get irritated, im also a learner, thus again asking this- how exactly I can compromize the security of a user account if I put few files in a Directory under my home?
[12:23] <Baako> if i create a new folder and copy and paste the other folders wouldnt the other folders still have the same permission as the original main folder?
[12:24] <bekks> Baako: just test it out?
[12:24] <Baako> bekks okay gonna do it now
[12:25] <bekks> Capprentice: by putting compromised stuff into that directory which gets executed by the webserver.
[12:26] <Baako> bekks still same thing. i use cp -a to copy the folder to the var/www might that be the issue?
[12:26] <bekks> Baako: your user has no permissions, still. Use sudo cp -a to copy the files into that folder and fix the permissions afterwards.
[12:27] <Capprentice> bekks, Umm.. are not the servlets have insufficient permission to change files residing in its root ?
[12:27] <bekks> Capprentice: That sentence makes no sense :)
[12:29] <Baako> bekks i did what u said and still not working. the only way i can think is changing the permission via commandline
[12:29] <bekks> Baako: Thats what I told you to do.
[12:30] <Baako> which is access the folder and all it sub folder o the www-data group which this user happens to by in
[12:30] <Capprentice> bekks, let me rephrase the sentence then; does JAVA servelets or perl scripts, which im geussing being used commonly for server side stuffs, runs with less privilege so that they can not harm the system?
[12:30] <bekks> Baako: USe sudo cp -a and fix the permissions afterwards. Why do I have repeat myself that often?
[12:30] <bekks> Capprentice: That depends on the permissions set.
[12:30] <Baako> bekks i use cp -a like 15 times been doing it seen i first ask this question
[12:30] <Baako> never worked
[12:31] <bekks> Baako: "sudo cp -a" is NOT "cp -a".
[12:31] <ikonia> cp doesn't change permissions
[12:31] <bekks> Baako: I told you to use "sudo cp -a".
[12:32] <Baako> bekks sudo cp -a /home/Baako/Desktop/tnproject/ /var/www/Working/
[12:32] <bekks> Baako: And whats "not working" there?
[12:33] <Baako> I have over 91 project folder in Working all works great apart from this tnproject i just added into it
[12:33] <bekks> Baako: Thats not an answer to my question.
[12:33] <ikonia> !cookie | bekks
[12:33] <Baako> ALL 91 are php projects and some python projects
[12:33] <ikonia> Baako: try answering the questions you are asked
[12:34] <ikonia> Baako: rather than unrelated information snippets
[12:34] <Baako> bekks i get a blank page which means it not running my index.php file and css js and library
[12:35] <bekks> Baako: Did you fix the permissions after sudo cp -a ? Yes or no?
[12:35] <Baako> i have clear my cache 3 times
[12:36] <Baako> before sudo cp -a i was getting the permission issue until i change the main folder to the www-data group
[12:36] <ikonia> Baako: answer the question you are ASKED
[12:36] <sveta> aw
[12:36] <bekks> Baako: Answer my question, thank you.
[12:36] <sveta> hehe
[12:36] <ikonia> !hero | bekks
[12:37] <Baako> ikonia havent see any question you asked me
[12:37] <bekks> Baako: I was the one you asked a question. Answer it.
[12:37] <bekks> *I was the one asking.
[12:37] <Baako> i did
[12:37] <bekks> You did not.
[12:37] <bekks> I asked a Yes/No question and got unrelated information.
[12:37] <bekks> 32
[12:37] <ikonia> 13:35 < bekks> Baako: Did you fix the permissions after sudo cp -a ? Yes or no?
[12:37] <Baako> u asked if it fix the permission issue
[12:38] <Baako> the answer is no
[12:38] <sveta> please be more human -- just talk like you'd talk to a friend; relax
[12:38] <ikonia> he asked if YOU fixed the permissions
[12:38] <sveta> presumably not
[12:38] <ikonia> not if it fixed the permissions problem
[12:39] <Baako> bekks if u mean the permission message from he browser "You don't have permission to access / on this server" i no longer see this message just a blank page
[12:39] <ikonia> Baako: he gave you instructions to copy the file and then change the permissions
[12:39] <ikonia> Baako: did you follow those instructions ?
[12:39] <ikonia> eg: did YOU fix the permissions after the copy
[12:40] <Baako> sudo chmod 0777? or sudo chown Baako:www-data tnproject?
[12:40] <bekks> No.
[12:40] <ikonia> errrr that would be neither
[12:41] <Baako> so which command does he recommand using to change the permission?
[12:42] <ikonia> I'll back away from this one, as it appears too risky to not break your other 90+ projects you say you have when you don't follow instructions or feedback clearly on questions
[12:42] <Capprentice> Hi ! how can I clean the IcedTea WEB Java Policies? I mean the rules I have set while visiting various sites? I've never ran Java Applets on Linux Web Browsers before? Now I want to make sure that whomever I have set as trusted does not stay in the list anymore. How Do clean the list?  If this is not the right channel, then kindly point me to the right channel please.
[12:42] <bekks> Baako: I did not told you a command, since I did not get clear information until now.
[12:44] <Baako> bekks you ask me to create a new folder and copy my other folders and file in the tnproject folder into this new folder and i did
[12:44] <bekks> I did not.
[12:44] <Baako> i then used sudo cp -a to copy the new folder to /var/www/Working
[12:44] <Baako> omg what did u mean by create a new folder then?
[12:45] <pras> Good Evening All...
[12:45] <Capprentice> Hello pras!
[12:45] <zhaotongxue> hello
[12:45] <bekks> I did tell you to use _another_ folder where you have permission. I did tell you to use sudo cp -a. I did tell you to fix the permissions afterwards. I got no clear information about what you did, what happenend, etc. - based on this few information, I will not give you any command that possibly break your other 91 projects.
[12:46] <zhaotongxue> where are us from?
[12:46] <pras> i have an issue with booting up my ubuntu 1404 after upgrade
[12:46] <Daghdha> i wanna buy a new NIC. Is there anything i should watch out for?
[12:46] <pras> i have a dual boot windows 7 along with it
[12:46] <ikonia> pras: sounds interesting
[12:46] <ikonia> Daghdha: just buy an intel one and make life easy on yourself
[12:46] <Baako> my Working folder has the right permission which is why i put all projects in the Working folder
[12:47] <bekks> Daghdha: Just grab some one 5$ intel GBit card.
[12:47] <Baako> that why i said i have over 91 folders in the Working folder which works "great"
[12:47] <bekks> Baako: Which does not magically change permissions.
[12:47] <bekks> Baako: Thats why I told you to fix the permissions afterwards.
[12:47] <pras> after sucessful upgrade i restarted the PC and it directly booted into windows 7 with out the grub choice menu.. kindly help
[12:47] <Capprentice> :(( No one uses Java Web Plugin?
[12:47] <Daghdha> 5$?? No such thing where i live. But i will go intell
[12:47] <Guest48676> pras you have instal grub once again
[12:48] <Capprentice> pras, You can fix this using EasyBcd from within Windows.
[12:48] <Daghdha> Was myplan anyway. thank
[12:48] <ikonia> pras: what did you upgrade,
[12:48] <Baako> bekks fix it how? i give u the list of command i think might work all you say is "no" but you having me a solution to try
[12:48] <ikonia> Capprentice: that will not fix grub
[12:48] <zhaotongxue> there is an pc,and my win8 with uefi installed with ubuntu,but how i edit boot to list system list first before system start?default system is ubuntu,but my family is not very familiry with computer,
[12:48] <pras> upgrade ubuntu 1210 to 1404
[12:48] <zhaotongxue> so ,
[12:48] <ikonia> pras: so that should have not broken grub,
[12:48] <ikonia> pras: but it sounds like it's booting from somewhere without grub
[12:49] <zhaotongxue> how i can edit boot to start windows8 first
[12:49] <bekks> Baako: Setting permissions to 777 is most always wrong, as I told you earlier. In the first step, all you need to do is setting the correct owner/group from the point of view of your webserver.
[12:49] <Capprentice> pras, ikonia, Nope, EasyBcd will alow pras to use Windows Bootloader to boot both Windows and Ubuntu.
[12:49] <pras> i have live cd of 1404  in that PC right now..
[12:49] <ikonia> Capprentice: the windows boot loader cannot boot ubuntu
[12:50] <ikonia> pras: when you used 12.04 - did you use grub as your boot loader ?
[12:50] <pras> yes
[12:50] <ikonia> pras: how many hard disks are in the system ?
[12:50] <pras> 1
[12:50] <Capprentice> ikonia, EasyBCD comes with NEOGRUB.
[12:50] <ikonia> pras: ok, so it certainly sounds like grub is no longer on the mbr of that disk, which should not be the case
[12:51] <Guest48676> ok put that live cd
[12:51] <ikonia> Capprentice: wow - what a bad solution.
[12:51] <Baako> bekks you are funny. when i told you i will assign this folder to the www-data group which this user happens to be in you told me "no" bad idea
[12:51] <ikonia> pras: I'd suggest re-applying grub
[12:51] <Guest48676> and reinnstall grub <pras>
[12:51] <ikonia> !grub2 > pras
[12:51] <ikonia> pras: ubottu has just sent you a pm with a link in it, if you read it it, walks you through re-applying grub
[12:51] <bekks> Baako: you told us a command using 777 and baako:www-data. Thats where I said "no".
[12:51] <Baako> i said or?
[12:52] <Baako> sudo chmod 0777? or sudo chown Baako:www-data tnproject?
[12:52] <Baako> bekka OR
[12:52] <Baako> 0777 has a question mark
[12:52] <bekks> Baako: Both solutions are wrong from the point of view of your webserver.
[12:52] <Baako> how?
[12:52] <pras> i will try that now and come back with the result
[12:53] <bekks> Baako: because "Baako" is not the default user the webserver is running as.
[12:53] <ikonia> it's also not recurseive
[12:53] <ikonia> so will just break the web root and not touch the project files
[12:54] <zhaotongxue> who can help
[12:54] <zhaotongxue> me /
[12:54] <Baako> bekks sudo chown www-data then?
[12:54] <zhaotongxue> please
[12:54] <zhaotongxue> i want to know how to edit boot manager
[12:54] <bekks> Baako: No, thats not recursive either, and you did not specify which folder to operate on.
[12:54] <ikonia> zhaotongxue: which boot manager ?
[12:55] <Baako> bekks sudo chown www-data tnproject doesn't work
[12:55] <zhaotongxue> ikonia: there are 2 system in my computer
[12:55] <bekks> Baako: It seems that you did not read the article given closely enough, since you are just guessing commands.
[12:55] <zhaotongxue> one is win8 ,one is ubuntu
[12:55] <Baako> it doesn't seem to write my css, js and other files to genrate the hom epage
[12:56] <bekks> Baako: Because it isnt recursive. As has been told three times now.
[12:56] <zhaotongxue> but when i installed ubuntu,i must key F12 to choose the boot manager.it can't show auto,
[12:57] <bekks> Baako: Please return to that article again, before breaking your box.
[12:57] <zhaotongxue> my family is not very familiry with computer,but i want both linux and windows
[12:57] <ikonia> zhaotongxue: what boot load is loading first ?
[12:57] <zhaotongxue> ubuntu
[12:57] <ikonia> ok, so you need to change the order in /etc/default/grub and re-generate the grub config
[12:57] <dragoneye_> zhaotongxue: first install windows
[12:57] <ikonia> that way you can use grub to select windows or ubuntu
[12:58] <dragoneye_> and install ubuntu or elementary
[12:58] <ikonia> dragoneye_: he already has windows
[12:58] <ikonia> dragoneye_: he didn't want elementary
[12:58] <dragoneye_> lol
[12:58] <zhaotongxue> and if i don't choose anything,ubuntu will load
[12:58] <zhaotongxue> i did it
[12:58] <ikonia> zhaotongxue: ok, so you need to update the grub bootloader as I said
[12:58] <ikonia> well done,
[12:58] <zhaotongxue> ok
[12:58] <zhaotongxue> please teach me
[12:58] <Capprentice> pras, You can use Grub Customizer on Ubuntu to customize the time to wait, which os to boot, the theme etc,
[12:59] <Baako> bekks it doesnt make sense because i have just change the permission for he other project folders in the Working folder and the all have the same permission as the tnproject folder and sub subfolders
[12:59] <zhaotongxue> ??
[13:00] <bekks> Baako: It perfectly makes sense, since "chmod" doesnt operate recursively without further options. No matter how hard you try to believe in that.
[13:00] <zhaotongxue> 08:58:43 PM - ikonia: zhaotongxue: ok, so you need to update the grub bootloader as I said
[13:00] <zhaotongxue> how????????????
[13:00] <ikonia> zhaotongxue: look at the text file in /etc/default/grub
[13:00] <ikonia> let me get ubottu to send you a grub2 doc
[13:00] <ikonia> !grub > zhaotongxue
[13:00] <ikonia> zhaotongxue: that should give you an overview to grub and how to configure it
[13:00] <ikonia> (the pm from ubottu)
 thank you ...i will do that once i finish with boot repair
[13:02] <zhaotongxue> ther is no "grub" file in /etc/default/
[13:02] <Baako> bekks i copy the folder and use the GUI to change the permission for "other" to "Access files"
[13:02] <Baako> and it works
[13:03] <zhaotongxue> ikonia: yes
[13:03] <sebastien> Hello ;)
[13:03] <Guest29148> Bonjour ;)
[13:03] <Capprentice> Is it possible to use a Ubuntu Live DVD (dd command) to Clone a 500 GB SATA HDD (512 sector size) to a Advanced Format (1024 sector size) 1 TB HDD?
[13:04] <Capprentice> I have tried with clonezilla and it failed totally !
[13:04] <ikonia> Capprentice: dd will not work as you expect
[13:04] <Capprentice> hm.. :(( Is there any other option?
[13:04] <ikonia> Capprentice: dd is a block by block copy, including the partition table
[13:04] <ikonia> just make a partition, copy the data
[13:04] <ikonia> what more do you need ?
[13:05] <compdoc>  Capprentice, did you use beginner mode with clonezilla?
[13:06] <Capprentice> Not possible. I can not get the old softwares back. The new libs are not compatiable with the old softwares. There is not much update available for those either. I think I have to leave those behind and starts a fresh install :(((
[13:06] <ikonia> Capprentice: why is that not possible
[13:06] <ikonia> Capprentice: copying the data and dd'ing the data are the same end result, so why won't copying the data work
[13:07] <Capprentice> compdoc, No. I've used expert mode, but tried with the partition to partition copy !
[13:07] <compdoc> thats why
[13:07] <ikonia> just make a partition and copy the data
[13:07] <ikonia> it's really easy
[13:08] <Capprentice> ikonia, by data you did you meant everything?
[13:08] <ikonia> Capprentice: ??? I mean "data"
[13:08] <ikonia> whatever you want
[13:12] <Capprentice> ikonia, I would like to copy everything which included all files in /bin /usr /opt etc ! along with the GRUB in /boot ! Will dd be able to do that?
[13:12] <ikonia> Capprentice: dd is not the tool you want to use due to the different disk size
[13:12] <ikonia> Capprentice: just copy all the data to a partition and re-apply grub
[13:12] <ikonia> it's very simple
[13:15] <Munster> o/
[13:17] <Capprentice> iOkay !! What is the purpose of block size parameter in dd!?
[13:18] <ikonia> Capprentice: why are you still trying to use dd
[13:18] <Capprentice> Im not. Im reading about this here - http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/dd.1.asp
[13:19] <ikonia> the block size just sets the block size in the copy
[13:19] <Capprentice> The chunk size that will read in one go? 1024 bs means 1 MB in one go?
[13:20] <ikonia> you can set the measurement
[13:20] <usr13> Capprentice: correct
[13:21] <usr13> Capprentice: Setting block size to 1M means that dd will copy in 1M chunks untill it's all done.
[13:21] <Capprentice> usr13, thanks :)))
[13:22] <bekks> Capprentice: dd will not work out well on what you are trying there.
[13:22] <bekks> Capprentice: Just follow the advice ikonia gave you, and explained why he adviced you to not use dd.
[13:22] <usr13> Capprentice: What is your project?  (I'm new here.)
[13:23] <usr13> Capprentice: You need to use cp to copy files, dd is for images
[13:23] <Capprentice> Something like this right? cp -r --preserve /source_dir /destin_dir
[13:23] <usr13> Capprentice: dd is used to make an image of the data
[13:24] <ikonia> Capprentice: cp -Rp
[13:24] <ikonia> or cp -Rpx
[13:24] <ikonia> if you don't want it to traverse mount points
[13:25] <Kartagis> I need help
[13:25] <bekks> usr13: he is trying to "duplicate" a 512-byte block size disk to a 1024-byte block size disk, which is a larger disk, as well.
[13:25] <usr13> Kartagis: If you are a ubuntu user, you are in the right place.
[13:26] <Kartagis> my laptop screen turns black as soon as I plug in the HDMI cable
[13:26] <usr13> bekks: I see.
[13:26] <Kartagis> usr13: yes I'm an ubuntu user since hardy heron
[13:26] <Capprentice> ikonia, erm.. sorry, im very weak in english.. what do you meant by "traverse mount points"? :(((
[13:26] <ikonia> Capprentice: not go off the root mount point, eg: don't copy /dev or /sys
[13:27] <usr13> Kartagis: I guess it's automatically switching output to HDMI port.  Not sure what to do about it, but there may be an F-key combo for it...
[13:28] <usr13> Kartagis: If that's not the case, you might try xrandr
[13:29] <Kartagis> usr13: at first, it was a small portion on the TV screen, then I tried xrandr and it is now like this
[13:29] <Kartagis> usr13: wanna see my xrandr output?
[13:29] <usr13> Kartagis: Yes, pastebin it.
[13:29] <pras> thank you CAPPRENTICE IKONIA  UBOTTU .. the boot repair worked and booting into both the OS... Thank You all Once again
[13:30] <philinux> Kartagis;~ which graphics card u running
[13:30] <Kartagis> usr13: currently, or with HDMI connected?
[13:30] <usr13> Kartagis: both
[13:30] <Burrito> Anyone know where I can get a .deb package for PulseAudio 5 on Precise (12.04)? The PPA ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/pulse-testing  currently only seems to support Raring, Saucy, and Trusty. I'm actually a Mint user, but Mint uses Ubuntu packages more than its own.
[13:30] <usr13> ... or one of each ....
[13:31] <usr13> Burrito: Did you do an apt-cache search for it?
[13:31] <ikonia> Burrito: the mint channel can help you
[13:31] <Burrito> usr13, Pulseaudio 5 is not in the official repo
[13:31] <Burrito> ikonia, like I said, Mint uses Ubuntu packages more than its own, I can get help here
[13:31] <ikonia> Burrito: the mint guys are the right place, more so due to their desktop approach
[13:31] <ikonia> Burrito: no, you can't get help here, we don't support mint
[13:31] <Burrito> Okay, I'll just come with another name later
[13:32] <ikonia> ok
[13:32] <Sven_vB> is there a way to have Thunderbird use 24 hours time format even with LANG=en_US.UTF-8? LC_TIME seems to have no effect on it
[13:32] <sveta> ikonia: hi. apologies for being noisy a little, but could you reword the "desktop approach" phrase please? I don't understand your thought. thanks.
[13:32] <usr13> Burrito: Just use the mint channel
[13:33] <ikonia> sveta: they have some different desktops from ubuntu and the way they hang together, intergrating the sound system into that can be different from distro to distro
[13:33] <Burrito> usr13, There's way more people here, leave me alone
[13:33] <ikonia> sveta: eg: mate on ubuntu is not packaged the same as mate on mint