[19:54] <h3sp4wn> grml-debootstrap works to install ubuntu
[19:55] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, its just that im copying to 2 5.4k disks with 23.2MB/s
[19:56] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: dunno who would know you could have a look in the installer I guess
[20:01] <Darkmystere> err ok i cant seem to find the md5 sum on the web for the hardy Live CD...
[20:01] <Darkmystere> lol i googled and cant find it..
[20:05] <bardyr> Darkmystere right next to the link for the iso's
[20:05] <nemo> no kidding
[20:05] <nemo> I was about to make fun of him
[20:05] <nemo> after first double-checking the hardy release page :)
[20:06] <Black_Magic> Am i crazy or did the Ubuntu Hardy CD Size get bigger during install..
[20:07] <savvas> what do you mean?
[20:07] <Black_Magic> err they said it was
[20:07] <Black_Magic> 694MB
[20:07] <Black_Magic> and now i see it its
[20:07] <Black_Magic> 735MB
[20:07] <Black_Magic> so ill have to use a DVD...
[20:07] <Black_Magic> thats 10Gig...and i only have 2 left..
[20:08] <compbrain> Black_Magic: Alternate image?
[20:08] <Black_Magic> Desktop ISO
[20:09] <Black_Magic> [   ] hardy-desktop-i386.iso            06-Mar-2008 06:57  691M  Desktop CD for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download)
[20:09] <Black_Magic> and nautilus reads 734.9MB...
[20:09] <Black_Magic> it could be that this computer is half gusty half hardy..
[20:09] <Black_Magic> and the half of unupdated nautilus
[20:10] <savvas> hardy-desktop-amd64.iso           06-Mar-2008 06:56  696M
[20:10] <Black_Magic> and messing with the half thats updated..
[20:10] <savvas> hardy-desktop-i386.iso            06-Mar-2008 06:57  691M
[20:10] <bardyr> has anybody gotten java to work?
[20:10] <bardyr> in FF
[20:10] <savvas> Black_Magic: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[20:10] <Black_Magic> i can even show you my Wget log
[20:10] <Black_Magic> yea thats the one i used.
[20:10] <savvas> i don't know where you got those images, they're not ok
[20:10] <savvas> use rsync to check them
[20:10] <Black_Magic> --22:27:58--  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[20:11] <savvas> sorry can't help more, gotta go :\
[20:11] <Black_Magic> rsync?
[20:11] <Black_Magic> how that works?
[20:11] <crimsun> rsync -vP source dest
[20:13] <Black_Magic> -rw-r--r--   770636799 2008/03/05 23:57:00 hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[20:13] <Black_Magic> sent 57 bytes  received 20 bytes  154.00 bytes/sec
[20:13] <Black_Magic> total size is 770636799  speedup is 10008270.12
[20:13] <Black_Magic> going to see if i can find my DVDs...
[20:14] <nonix4> Black_Magic: regarding kilobytes, see http://xkcd.com/
[20:14] <Black_Magic> 1 MB is 1204 KB
[20:16] <Black_Magic><PHONE_NUMBER>4485
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> How does that work then 1MB = 1024 KB
[20:17] <nonix4> h3sp4wn: and KB = Kelly-Bootle standard unit (as shown on xkcd.com)?
[20:17] <Black_Magic> 1204 MB is one Gig..
[20:17] <Black_Magic> 1204 Gigs is 1 Teribyte..
[20:18] <h3sp4wn> nonix4: No idea nothing makes sense apart from in base 2
[20:18] <Black_Magic> i meant bytes..
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> or 16 - any of the other ones are like most commitee designed stuff no one actually uses
[20:19] <nonix4> h3sp4wn: yeah... 1204 doesn't make sense in any base though :/
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> nonix4: exactly
[20:19] <Black_Magic> lol but thats what the site says
[20:19] <Black_Magic> ;)
[20:19] <Black_Magic> uurgh cant even find DVD...
[20:21] <Black_Magic> sec....looking for them just had them yesturday
[20:21] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: Do you have a usb key ?
[20:21] <Black_Magic> i dont get what the K i B thing means...usb key?
[20:21] <h3sp4wn> usb flash drive
[20:22] <nonix4> h3sp4wn: casper? or what was it called? ;)
[20:23] <l815> after some recent updates there are weird shadows on the sides of the windows (only with effects enabled)
[20:23] <h3sp4wn> Reminds me of that friendly ghost movie - but I think its the name of the something to do with live mode yes
[20:23] <Black_Magic> h3sp4wn: Nope...
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> netboot is quite easy or there is that installer that runs from windows
[20:24] <Black_Magic> i wish there was some tracking device that helped you find CDs and DVDs just a simple beeping noise getting louder and quiter the closer and farther i get away...:/
[20:24] <Black_Magic> lol
[20:24] <Black_Magic> wu wuu wuu...
[20:24] <Black_Magic> wu... can tsay it..
[20:24] <Black_Magic> i dont have Windows
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> What do you have ?
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> You can run the netinstall from an existing grub
[20:25] <Nilbus> if my computer won't resume from suspend on x86_64 ubuntu, then is there any chance that it will work with x86 ubuntu?
[20:26] <Black_Magic> i "Accedentally" killed it with Gparted
[20:26] <Black_Magic> Backtrack Federa Ubuntu and Ubuntu again
[20:26] <Black_Magic> -.- they where on the dinning room table..
[20:26] <Black_Magic> nilbus Slim..
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> Nilbus: Its not very likely no
[20:26] <Nilbus> ok
[20:26] <Nilbus> so slim that it's probably not worth trying, right? :P
[20:26] <Nilbus> hm, I could just test with a livecd
[20:27] <Black_Magic> i dont get why ole trust brasero works better then 20 something dollar Err....Nero4Linux
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> Yeah that is probably worth it
[20:27] <nonix4> Nilbus: well depends on the reason really...
[20:27] <emet> SCIM thing is annoyingh
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> remove it
[20:27] <Nilbus> nonix4, I don't know the reason
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> aptitude purge scim~i
[20:27] <goppp_> what new feature are in hardy
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> (Its only a recommend of ubuntu-desktop)
[20:28] <Flannel> goppp_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha6
[20:28] <nonix4> Nilbus: ... as in some drivers do indeed have slightly more up to date code on the 32 bit side - but on the other hand hardy should have most of them at about the same level...
[20:29] <emet> h3sp4wn, woohoo!
[20:29] <nemo> Black_Magic: out of curiosity - your windows issue (since I'm surprised about the gparted thing) is it that the chainload complains about NTLDR?
[20:30] <emet> h3sp4wn, it deleted the icon but the damn thing still pops up
[20:30] <nonix4> Nilbus: livecd approach may take less effort than compiling a minimalistic debug kernel to see if that makes any diff...
[20:30] <Nilbus> nonix4, that's what I'm doing
[20:31] <Nilbus> has anyone tried using qemu to install from an iso to a /dev/hdxx device?  There's a qemu bug that causes ubuntu not to be able to detect the cdrom device. I can't find a workaround
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> emet: did you logout and backin (Its not loaded here)
[20:32] <emet> h3sp4wn, I'll do that
[20:32] <Black_Magic> nemo, yep and and before that it was ntkrnl.exe ect so i just removed windows..
[20:33] <Black_Magic> brb this ubuntu install isnt working too good because its a Gusty/Hardy Hibrid because of Upgrade problems
[20:33] <nonix4> Umm, is there a maximum / recommended maximum number of software raid devices you shouldn't exceed on a system?
[20:35] <l815> when i play videos with effects on , my pc gets really slow and unresponsive. is there anything to fix this?
[20:36] <bardyr> l815, have you tried turning video acceleration on/off?
[20:36] <bardyr> and are you running a intel chipset?
[20:36] <l815> yeah intel
[20:37] <l815> gm965
[20:37] <l815> if i turn it off it's fine, but it's really bland without at least minimal effects
[20:37] <bardyr> well there where/are some problems with video and compiz, but dont know if they are fix yet
[20:37] <bardyr> on intel chipsets
[20:37] <l815> i don't have pre-released updates on yet so not sure either
[20:38] <O01> hey guys
[20:38] <l815> hey
[20:38] <JasonF> Is Dapper --> Hardy going to be supported?
[20:38] <crimsun> JasonF: yes.
[20:38] <O01> I just installed FireFox, and I was wondering how I could map my backspace and shift+backspace to have the browser for forward/backwards
[20:39] <JasonF> crimsun: thanks!
[20:40] <Nilbus> O01, go to about:config and set browser.backspace_action = 0
[20:40] <O01> no way?
[20:40] <O01> :)
[20:40] <Nilbus> yep
[20:40] <O01> thank you so much!! :)
[20:40] <Nilbus> I just searched about:config for backspace
[20:40] <Nilbus> and guessed 0
[20:41] <Nilbus> got lucky
[20:41] <O01> that's crazy
[20:41]  * Nilbus resets his to normal behavior. :P
[20:41] <Nilbus> I always hated that backspace action in Netscape back in the day.
[20:41] <O01> ahhh
[20:42] <O01> I really like it :)
[20:42] <Nilbus> glad it works for ya
[20:42] <O01> what do you usually use to go back/forward? :)
[20:42] <Nilbus> alt+<right>/<left>
[20:42] <O01> alt < >
[20:42] <O01> ah yea :)
[20:47] <K4k> just a quick question, got refered here by #ubuntu. I just downloaded the ISO for hardy and I was wondering if someone here who has been using it could tell me if they think it's more or less stable now
[20:48] <K4k> I'm curious because I'm putting it on my secondary box (Which when working is my primary) and I just want to know what I'm getting into in the way of stability
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> I would say its more or less stable - sometimes more sometimes less
[20:48] <K4k> lol
[20:48] <K4k> did you use gutsy pre-release as well?
[20:48] <clusty> does the sun java work now properly in hardy?
[20:48] <clusty> there used to be some X/AWT issue
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> K4k: I have used loads of pre releases (dapper ->)
[20:49] <K4k> would you say it's about as stable as gutsy was in it's final pre-release?
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> Infact I only ever used dapper for 2/3 weeks
[20:49] <K4k> haha
[20:49] <tgelter> I'm getting crackling audio with exaile under hardy...anyone heard of that?
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> K4k: Its pretty ok for me
[20:50] <h3sp4wn> gnome is perhaps a Release Candidate now
[20:50] <h3sp4wn> (not 21.x anymore but 22.x so its good enough for me)
[20:50] <K4k> awesome
[20:50] <K4k> then I think I should be ok
[20:50] <K4k> I don't do anything crazy with it
[20:52] <K4k> I'm assuming the answer is yes, but does anyone know if WMs like fluxbox are stable on hardy?
[20:52] <fyrmedic> isn't it supposed to release next m?onth
[20:52] <clusty> any java fellas in hardy?
[20:52] <K4k> fyrmedic, yes
[20:54] <fyrmedic> How is it with 64bit?
[20:55] <jetsaredim> what is this Skim utility that is showing up in hardy?
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> K4k: They don't mess with fluxbox
[21:01] <K4k> h3sp4wn, ok my only concern was maybe an incompatibility with a new/updated library but I'll test it and find out for myself I guess
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> I have used it a few months ago and it worked perfectly
[21:02] <K4k> great, thanks
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> (with hardy) its more sane with randr 1.2 than most actually
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> I hope its delayed dunno whether it will be though
[21:02] <K4k> you hope that hardy is delayed?
[21:02] <K4k> what for?
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> Maybe xrandr 1.2 support completed properly
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> Another few months it could be alot more polished
[21:04] <K4k> you think they will make it an "official" release beta next month instead maybe?
[21:04] <K4k> and then just patch it later on?
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> I don't know what they think
[21:04] <K4k> lol
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> I know if you want to compete with RHEL / SLES
[21:04] <K4k> you don't speculate on the happenings at conical? lol
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> you will have to do better
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> s/you/they
[21:05] <K4k> I've sort of noticed that throughout the different distributions though
[21:05] <K4k> I've always had better stability with Fedora/RHEL then with ubuntu
[21:06] <K4k> s/distributions/releases
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> fedora is 8 month release cycle
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> RHEL 3 is still supported
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> Then there is IRIX and Solaris 8 - that are getting reviewed in 2012 to see if support is continued
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> depends what you need - but people don't like loads of updates just after the release
[21:09] <tgelter> h3sp4wn: I like lots of updates...I'm kind of addicted to updating, it's a strange thing
[21:09] <tgelter> I get all kinds of excited about them
[21:09] <tgelter> :)
[21:10] <annalaven_> me too
[21:10] <tgelter> good to see I'm not the only one
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> tgelter: Not on stable
[21:14] <h3sp4wn> For me it wasn't stable in the first place if it needs loads of updates so shouldn't have released
[21:14] <bardyr> tgelter, i have the same sickness ;D
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> just always run +1 then
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> or sid
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> (with sid you have it freezing even less)
[21:16] <bardyr> the problem is that i like running patented stuff too
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> I run Matlab / Mathematica
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> and some of the Cadence suite
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> never really had a problem all that stuff is in /opt
[21:18] <h3sp4wn> (with firefox and java)
[21:19] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: What patented stuff ?
[21:20] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, proper font rendering, mp3, etc
[21:20] <pen> hi
[21:20] <pen> I have finish my update today
[21:20] <pen> but the new kernel can't install my nvidia driver
[21:20] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: Debian has all that with debian-multimedia
[21:20] <pen> I go to hardware driver and see no nvidaia
[21:20] <pen> nvidi
[21:20] <pen> a
[21:20] <tgelter> h3sp4wn: yeah, I tend to run the unstable...I'm still an alpha/beta battler...
[21:20] <h3sp4wn> (Most of the ubuntu packages are based on those)
[21:20] <h3sp4wn> mplayer etc
[21:20] <pen> why I can't enable nvidia driver in this new kernel?
[21:21] <bardyr> pen, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-(new)
[21:21] <O01> to create a snapshot you would do lvcreate -L 70GB --snapshot --name  snap_shot /dev/Logical_Volume_Name/ correcet ? ( using LVM )
[21:21] <pen> it's already at the newest version
[21:21] <pen> ??
[21:21] <pen> why
[21:22] <pen> it's already installed
[21:22] <pen> I can't enable compiz and have a low resolution
[21:22] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: The XiG xserver is the only non-free thing that is a bitch to keep working for me
[21:23] <pen> how to reinstall the driver?
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> If the package is installed thats not the problem
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> if you do ``sudo init 1''
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> then you should get a dialog box asking you if you want to reconfigure X
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> try that
[21:25] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, oh btw how do i trigger a fsck on boot?
[21:25] <pen> well
[21:25] <h3sp4wn> touch /forcefsck
[21:25] <pen> that fix the resolution but not the driver
[21:25] <bardyr> i want to see the fancy new fsck thingy
[21:25] <pen> I still can't enable compiz
[21:25] <pen> it's not on
[21:26] <h3sp4wn> or on the root of whatever partition
[21:26] <pen> and the list in hardware driver is still empty
[21:27] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: That stuff was in man shutdown - but I think with upstart it got removed (still works though afaik)
[21:27] <pen> how can I solve this?
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> Dunno this is the danger of bullet proof X I guess
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> usually you could just rebuild the nvidia kernel module
[21:28] <pen> how?
[21:29] <pen> how to rebuild the module?
[21:30] <h3sp4wn> Dunno without really screwing around with stuff I couldn't recommend it
[21:30] <Dekkard> Ive viewed the topic, and i just want to know.. is it best to wait, I run an old system with a p111 coppermine, so till now everything, and I mean everything has been fine.
[21:31] <Dekkard> coo
[21:31] <h3sp4wn> Dekkard: Well just because something something once was fine doesn't mean it always will be so
[21:32] <Dekkard> i'll check jorge's blog, see if he sez anything
[21:32] <Dekkard> gotcha h3sp4wn
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> (e.g ralink wireless was great with breezy and then useless for a long time)
[21:32] <Dekkard> yeah..
[21:32] <Dekkard>  this is on a desktop
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> Now it should be ok
[21:32] <Dekkard> so wireless.. isnt a concern
[21:32] <Dekkard> i mean.. it cant be as bad as kde4
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> If you installed kde4 from kubuntu.org then try to upgrade all sorts could happen
[21:35] <lime4x4> anyone here lose gnome desktop today?
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> It might not but that isn't a tested path afaik
[21:39] <Dekkard> i uninstalled kde4.. its ..its just not ready for the show
[21:44] <kumarphilly> hello
[21:44] <kumarphilly> does anyone else have the problem where x crashes and reset
[21:45] <cyphase> does anyone know why, if i delete everything in my home directory from a VT then login through gdm, it says tomboy has crashed? why is it even starting?
[21:47] <DanaG> Why do you delete your home dir?
[21:49] <cyphase> i'm running hardy in a vm
[21:49] <cyphase> and i don't have any personal data on it
[21:50] <cyphase> so i just deleted everything to see if anything would be different with the new packages
[21:54] <ethana2> i don't see ff3b4 in update-manager...
[21:54] <ethana2> i'm going to tell it to check again
[21:54] <bardyr> someone is impatient
[21:56] <Salton> latest update broke my system.. uninstalled ubuntu-desktop and a whole bunch of gnome packages.. now they won't reinstall :(
[21:57] <ethana2> bardyr: yeah ^_^
[21:57] <ethana2> Salton: you uninstalled ubuntu-desktop?
[21:58] <ethana2> Do you have kde installed?
[21:58] <ethana2> xfce perhaps?
[21:58] <Skiessi> is firefox 3.0 beta 4 coming to repositories today?
[21:59] <Skiessi> or tonight
[21:59] <ethana2> Skiessi: I'm checking mine
[22:01] <ethana2> gahh, my mom's probably on youtube...
[22:01] <ethana2> (this is taking forever)
[22:03] <ethana2> ...i can be a little OCD with my updates, so I made a rule for myself
[22:03] <james_w> Is anyone else seeing larger/different fonts since a recent upgrade?
[22:03] <ethana2> if i'm within 6 hours of up-to-date I don't update
[22:04] <ethana2> james_w: not yet
[22:05] <h3sp4wn> james_w: xdpyinfo| grep res | head -1
[22:05] <h3sp4wn> (If its 96x96 its possible it shouldn't be)
[22:05] <h3sp4wn> and wasn't before
[22:06] <phixxor> sup, I see from the topic that sound is fixed, yes?
[22:06] <h3sp4wn> yes
[22:06] <james_w> h3sp4wn: resolution:    98x98 dots per inch
[22:07] <Skiessi> hardy is going to be a LTS release?
[22:07] <bardyr> yes
[22:07] <phixxor> awesome! I was delaying upgrading from hardy alpha 6 until that was fixed
[22:12] <ethana2> nope
[22:12] <ethana2> ff3b4 is not in repos now
[22:13] <bardyr> ethana2, subscribe on the announce-changes mailling list, then you know the exact second ff3b4 is uploaded
[22:13] <zenog> my iPod nano 3rd generation is not properly recognized on hardy (it was on gutsy), is this likely a HAL problem?
[22:18] <zenog> I just want to know because I do not want to flood the BTS with a useless or wrongly assigned bug report ;-)
[22:25] <lsmobrian> can somebody try something for me: sudo su, then exit as root, then sudo su again, then type anything... when i do this, any key i press automatically will exit sudo
[22:26] <DanaG> works fine for me; doesn't exit.
[22:27] <lsmobrian> hrmm.. wonder what i did..
[22:47] <spiderfire> hello
[22:48] <ethana2> spiderfire: hai
[22:48] <spiderfire> any big kernel issues?
[22:48] <ethana2> right now i don't think so
[22:48] <StiveG> Hi all, can someone tell me which script (java, flash..) uses howtoforge.com? Don't know why but my firefox 3.0b3 crash (close) when I try to access that site...
[22:49] <ethana2> hmm
[22:49] <ethana2> 3b4 is out
[22:49] <lsmobrian> there is a png on the site that crashes gecko
[22:49] <ethana2> ..it just doesn't seem to be in ubuntu repos yet
[22:49] <StiveG> ok
[22:49] <lsmobrian> opera works fine if u need to goto howtoforge
[22:50] <ethana2> my mom says ff crashed like 30 times on her today
[22:50] <StiveG> had the same problem on other sites also.. can't remember witch ones tho...
[22:50] <StiveG> always the same sites..
[22:51] <StiveG> this site uses java?
[22:51] <thompa> does anyone know how to remove acer_acpi?
[22:53] <thompa> I cant compile the madwifi driver anymore its 386. I already know 64 wont work on atheros 5700
[22:53] <ethana2> sudo rmmod acer_acpi
[22:53] <ethana2> ?
[22:53] <thompa> ethana2: thanks i tried that
[22:53] <ethana2> oh
[22:53] <thompa> modprobe no longer works
[22:54] <thompa> its an acer 5520 which only works with acer_acpi patch, but kernel 2.6.24 it is backported I think
[22:55] <ethana2> heh.  rm / -r
[22:55] <thompa> but that is what actually breaks it
[22:55] <ethana2> (do not do that)
[22:55] <ethana2> ...but i think you may just need to wait for updates or reinstall or both
[22:55] <thompa> 2.6.23 works I got an error in make file
[22:55] <thompa> ethana2: i agree
[22:56] <thompa> ethana2: im wondering though because restricted drivers has it enabled and detected atheros
[22:57] <ethana2> actually
[22:57] <thompa> i have to go back to old kernel maybe
[22:57] <ethana2> atheros i think... ath5K/
[22:57] <ethana2> i think there's some code churn and license stuff going on there
[22:57] <thompa>  the one i heard needs blacklisting
[22:57] <ethana2> i think that driver may actually be open or soemthing...
[22:58] <thompa> ethana2: i cant install it anymore madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz
[22:58] <thompa> so thats my problem
[22:59] <ethana2> thompa: i'm not really leet enough to know what to do about that, specifically
[22:59] <thompa> ethana2: acer_acpi somehow breaks the wifi in the kernel
[23:00] <thompa> i guess i need to remove aht5k and there are some others
[23:00] <thompa> *the other one
[23:16] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[23:19] <contrast> I just got Hardy installed so I can check out KDE 4, and when trying to install kde4-core, it threatens to remove kdebase-bin-kde3. Any idea if/when this will be fixed?
[23:21] <lsmobrian> does it not then install kdebase-bin-kde4
[23:22] <contrast> lsmobrian: I imagine it would, but aren't you supposed to be able to have KDE4 installed alongside KDE3?
[23:24] <Flannel> contrast: Try #kubuntu (or #kubuntu-kde4, if #kubuntu redirects you)
[23:25] <contrast> Flannel: Thanks... I think I figured it out-- should've read the description of the package to be removed. I'll confirm in there.
[23:29] <timing> the default SCIM key shortcuts should change
[23:30] <timing> shift+space is a very common keycombo while typing very fast and hitting shift during the creation of the uppercase char in the next word :-)
[23:30] <DanaG> Oh hey, I figured out a bit of a fix for my hard drive thingy: undo all my powersaving tweaks, but leave laptop-mode-TOOLS enabled but laptop_mode_on_battery disabled.
[23:30] <timing> i asked in #scim as well
[23:30] <timing> wonder where this default is set
[23:30] <DanaG> Ctrl-shift sucks, too.
[23:31] <aliguori> +1
[23:31] <aliguori> that's the main reason i disabled scim
[23:31] <timing> yeah
[23:31] <timing> i did everything
[23:31] <DanaG> But the "Latex" table is cool.
[23:32] <timing> removed all the keycombo's
[23:32] <timing> how do i really disable scim?
[23:32] <timing> it still comes up
[23:34] <timing> I mean, the keyboard icon is still in the notification area
[23:34] <timing> right mouse exit restarts the thing
[23:35] <aliguori> timing, i just removed the package
[23:35] <timing> ah okay :-)
[23:36] <aliguori> that was my experience too.  it seemed to be impossible to disable
[23:37] <timing> it feels like the windows thing
[23:37] <timing> when it decieds you are typing a dutch language
[23:37] <mooboo1> wow, i love the repostirory activity today and yesterday
[23:37] <timing> so it changes your keyboard LAYOUT per window
[23:37] <mooboo1> i've got TONS of updates! :D
[23:38] <purepwnage> I'm having trouble with ssh. Linux server, windows client (putty). I have access to both physically at the moment. When I try to connect, putty gives me an error saying "Network error: Software caused connection abort." Does anybody have any idea what is wrong?
[23:38] <slipttees> thx
[23:38] <slipttees> Adys: hello
[23:39] <timing> purepwnage: can you ping the linux host from windows?
[23:39] <Adys> Heya
[23:39] <purepwnage> timing: yes, and I get >1 ms
[23:39] <purepwnage> err, <1
[23:39] <timing> k
[23:39] <timing> yeha :-)
[23:39] <DanaG> Another handy thing to do with scim: all windows use same method.
[23:39] <timing> purepwnage: can you ssh to localhost from the linux machine?
[23:40] <slipttees> Adys: my problem with static Ip
[23:40] <slipttees> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=165717
[23:40] <purepwnage> timing: no, I only get the error "Software caused connection abort"
[23:40] <timing> purepwnage: i mean from the linux machine
[23:40] <timing> i don't hing the commandline client on linux gives that message?
[23:41] <timing> *think
[23:41] <Adys> slipttees:  ill check it out asap
[23:41] <slipttees> Adys: no problem ;-)
[23:41] <purepwnage> timing: where would I find it? ctrl-alt-f1?
[23:41] <slipttees> Adys: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/78493
[23:41] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 78493 in gnome-system-tools "setting static IP with network-admin makes GNOME startup slow" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[23:41] <slipttees> :D
[23:41] <timing> purepwnage: open a terminal
[23:42] <purepwnage> timing: ok
[23:42] <timing> purepwnage: type: ssh localhost
[23:42] <timing> then log in with the same credentials as you try via putty
[23:43] <purepwnage> ader10@ubuntu:~$ ssh localhost -p 43210
[23:43] <purepwnage> Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
[23:43] <timing> that's the port you run the ssh server on?
[23:43] <timing> weird
[23:43] <purepwnage> yes
[23:43] <timing> sure it's not just 22 ?
[23:43] <purepwnage> port 22 is blocked in most of the places I need ssh
[23:43] <timing> well we can conclude that it's not a problem between the both machines
[23:43] <purepwnage> such as school or library
[23:43] <timing> yeah
[23:43] <timing> stupid
[23:44] <timing> your server isn't running like you want it too
[23:44] <timing> *to
[23:44] <purepwnage> would it help if you saw the sshd_config?
[23:44] <timing> can you check if it might be running on 22 ?
[23:44] <timing> no i don't have so much knowlegde about ssh
[23:44] <timing> i'm just helping you with the things you should try to find out where the problem is
[23:45] <purepwnage> :)
[23:45] <timing> it's not a broken cable at least
[23:45] <timing> purepwnage: but ssh localhost ?
[23:45] <timing> without the port?
[23:45] <purepwnage> ader10@ubuntu:~$ ssh localhost
[23:45] <purepwnage> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[23:45] <timing> hmm different error
[23:46] <timing> dunno what those errors mean
[23:46] <timing> purepwnage: hey dude i have to sleep now, tiredness!
[23:46] <purepwnage> timing: Thank you for helping me diagnose the problem!
[23:46] <timing> :P
[23:46] <timing> bye
[23:46] <ike_x> you could use netstat to diagnose if its running and binded to the right port\adapter
[23:49] <mooboo1> am i right that kernel -12 is much better than -11 ?
[23:59] <lunks> What is required to see encrypted DVDs on Hardy?


[04:12] <fabbione> hey neuro
[04:12] <fabbione> what kind of hw is that?
[04:12] <neuro|laptop> coupla ultra 5s and 1 or 2 ultra 1s
[04:13] <neuro|laptop> just wondering if they'd be useful remotely
[04:13] <fabbione> neuro|laptop: not as buildd.. they are too slow, if they have console we can use them as test install machines
[04:28] <neuro|laptop> okie
[04:28] <fabbione> or you can install and report :)
[04:28] <fabbione> but it's nice you want to help
[04:28] <fabbione> thanks
[04:29] <fabbione> later
[04:30] <shinmen> I have an Ultra80 with 3 procs if that could bring joy to the party.
[04:31] <fabbione> shinmen: same as neuro|laptop :) can we use it for test installs? or do you want to run test installs?
[04:31] <fabbione> i really must go now
[04:31] <fabbione> later
[04:32] <shinmen> fabbione, Shure, just let me know what do you want to test and I'll do it.
[04:32] <shinmen> BTW, any TODO list for sparc... I've been kinda idle here at work, so I have a bit of time to help arround.
[08:25] <fabbione> shinmen: install party :) there is X autoconfig that needs to be worked out on sparc
[08:27] <shinmen> fabbione, Ok, first of all... I looked at, but didn't follow the steps on the installguide for warty, but for breezy I just grabbed the already there debian sarge and apt-get dist-upgraded it. Is there some other way?
[08:27] <shinmen> fabbione, Is there a web page on ubuntu sparc info (other than the repository at sparc.ubuntu)
[08:27] <fabbione> you went all the wrong way :)
[08:28] <fabbione> there is no warty for sparc
[08:28] <fabbione> only breezy
[08:28] <fabbione> in the announce i explained how to install it
[08:28] <fabbione> there is netinstall either via tftpboot or miniso
[08:28] <fabbione> upgrades from sarge are tricky if you don't know how to use apt pinning
[08:28] <fabbione> also.. the installer works
[08:29] <fabbione> and only via the installer you get to test X autoconfig for real
[08:30] <shinmen> I'll take a hard drive home tonight to test it.
[08:30] <fabbione> :)


[11:32] <daker> hello alejandraobregon
[11:45] <daker> alejandraobregon, pls i need your feedback on something :)
[11:51] <alejandraobregon> daker: hello
[11:52] <alejandraobregon> daker: sorry, looking after my three year old today... so may be a few gaps in replies :)
[11:53] <daker> alejandraobregon, can i PM you ?
[11:53] <alejandraobregon> daker: sure
[15:24] <head_victim> Whoever has done whatever to the wiki site please keep doing it. I'm only getting internal server errors 20% of the time today as opposed to 100% for the last month or so.
[15:44] <AlanBell> head_victim: with help from the CC we have heard rumours that the IS team are thinking of planning to consider to do something about it
[22:13] <cjohnston> newz2000: the white #mothership is correct, correct?
[22:14] <newz2000> cjohnston: correct. White.
[22:45] <cjohnston> newz2000: who would be correct to talk to ref bug 728095?
[22:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728095 in ubuntu-website-content (and 1 other project) "Create an Ubuntu Values Page (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728095
[22:46] <newz2000> cjohnston: alejandra would be the one
[22:46] <cjohnston> Okie..
[22:46] <cjohnston> ty


[07:04] <AlanBell> you can never have too many Alans
[07:09]  * jussi gets a vision of an army of AlanBell and popey clones...
[07:17] <AlanBell> http://thealans.com
[07:22] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:27] <dpm> morning ara
[07:28] <ara> morning dpm, all!
[08:07] <kim0> Morning folks
[08:07] <dpm> hey, good morning kim0!
[08:08] <kim0> dpm: hey morning :)
[10:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:46] <kim0> czajkowski: Maidin mhaith (hope that's not terribly wrong) ;)
[10:47] <czajkowski> no that's right ;)
[10:47] <kim0> Yaay
[10:47] <czajkowski> I just say aloha as it's the timezone friendly greeting and it's just very me :)
[10:48] <kim0> enjoy whatever morning variant you wish
[10:48] <kim0> hehe
[10:53] <czajkowski> kim0: are you getting many replies re community and cloud ?
[10:53] <czajkowski> some seem rather dismissive of it ?
[10:53] <kim0> czajkowski: I am not .. you're probably reading them already right ?
[10:53] <kim0> czajkowski: I replied yesterday trying to pull for more info
[10:54] <kim0> but the list is moderated and it takes time for my posts to arrice
[10:54] <kim0> arrive*
[10:54] <czajkowski> kim0: you're suscribed to the list?
[10:54] <kim0> people seem to be loosing steam .. which kinda sux
[10:54] <czajkowski> indeed
[10:54] <kim0> yes I am
[10:54] <czajkowski> I guess towards the end of the cycle it gets like this
[10:54] <kim0> it's says "post by non developer"
[10:54] <czajkowski> people don't want to focus on UDS topics just yet
[10:55] <czajkowski> hmmm
[10:55] <czajkowski> cant be only developers post to the developers list ?
[10:55] <kim0> I think so
[10:56] <kim0> czajkowski: but so far .. as far as I'm concerned .. I didn't really hear any real opinions on what obstacles they think there are or how to improve things
[10:57] <kim0> once jono is back .. I guess we'll talk about this a bit
[10:58] <kim0> czajkowski: thanks for asking btw :)
[10:59] <czajkowski> it's intersting and I did find one or two comments just dismssive which is not helping to having a healthy conversation
[10:59] <czajkowski> and puts up barriers for others to reply
[11:00] <kim0> I'll try to roll this forward some more, and let's see how it goes
[11:02] <czajkowski> kim0: just a thought, have you thought of having an online session, pick a date/time and get people say on IRC so you cna have a real time discussion?
[11:02] <czajkowski> most of those developers are online anyway, they'd just need to go to a specfic chanel to discuss cloud issue?
[11:05] <kim0> czajkowski: good idea .. just might do that
[11:06] <czajkowski> aye so it would cut down on dealy of email arriving but also somtimes something said in irc can be answered a lot quicker and also generate more discussion
[11:06] <czajkowski> kim0: if you tweet/dent stuff and want to get some community thought tag it with #locoteams
[11:06] <kim0> aye
[11:09] <czajkowski> snip from a debian mailing list
[11:09] <czajkowski> it is somewhat of a relief to see that the Ubuntu folks
[11:09] <czajkowski> are no better than us Debian people in their communication.
[11:09] <czajkowski> I have a colleague using the software I just packaged under
[11:09] <czajkowski> Ubuntu, which is why I had hoped to possibly speed up the
[11:09] <czajkowski> transition process with a sync request. The replies I got
[11:09] <czajkowski> were rather funny to me, almost offensive, since I find for
[11:09] <czajkowski> any willing individual all information to be rightly available.
[11:09] <czajkowski> If someone on the list would want to comment, please go ahead.
[11:09] <czajkowski> Steffen
[11:09] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/594524
[11:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 594524 in ubuntu "Please sync GENtle in Debian sid (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[11:12] <czajkowski> but when you read the bug ther are no offensive comments on it
[11:12] <czajkowski> odd
[11:57] <duanedesign> good morning
[12:02] <duanedesign> wb czajkowski :)
[12:02] <nigelb> jcastro_: you're right! Hard to stay away from IRC while on vacation ;)
[12:03] <duanedesign> how is your vacation going?
[12:05] <czajkowski> hmmm
[12:06] <nigelb> duanedesign: prety nice :)
[12:06] <nigelb> Finished a 360 km drive and resting now
[12:07] <nigelb> (NO! I wasn't driving ;) )
[12:09] <duanedesign> nigelb: its ok to get on IRC while on vacation. Just keep it social, don't try and do any work. :)
[12:20] <Pendulum> nigelb: i agree with duanedesign. you're only allowed to chat with people about fun stuff! no work
[12:27] <nigelb> Pendulum: haha
[12:30]  * dpm hugs nigelb
[12:32] <sense> good afternoon
[12:33] <doctormo> Good morning nigelb, Pendulum and sense
[12:33] <doctormo> Pendulum: What is work but the execution of fun stuff?
[12:34] <sense> hi doctormo
[12:34]  * nigelb hugs dpm too :)
[12:34] <nigelb> hola doctormo
[12:38] <doctormo> I never seem to get hugs, I must not be doing what ever it is that counts as work around here ;-)
[12:38]  * Pendulum hugs doctormo
[12:38] <Pendulum> maybe you're doing too much of whatever counts as work?
[12:39] <doctormo> Possible
[12:40] <dpm> hugs are just for free, they're not for work, doctormo
[12:40]  * dpm hugs doctormo
[12:41] <doctormo> dpm: thanks :-) I've gotten hugs for art before, though that's really not "work", I don't think I've done any w word for a _long_ time now.
[12:42]  * nigelb hugs dpm : good one!
[12:44] <dpm> :-)
[12:47]  * doctormo hugs everyone
[12:47]  * kim0 joins the group hugs :)
[12:47]  * nigelb hugs doctormo and kim0 :)
[12:48] <nigelb> (and everyone else too!)
[16:47] <Technoviking> finally getting some where on the new forums looks. preview at http://www.mikesplanet.net/forums (select ubuntu at bottom of page)
[16:53] <Technoviking> jcastro: ping
[16:58] <paultag> jcastro / jcastro_, maco: See ya'll at OLF!
[16:59] <maco> im here!
[16:59] <maco> dear lplib: go faster. i need data for my slides
[17:04] <duanedesign> Technoviking: looking good
[17:05] <Technoviking> duanedesign: thanks
[17:28] <Technoviking> maco: is there any kubuntu cof svg for the new Kubuntu style?
[17:30] <AlanBell> maco: what is your talk?
[19:07] <maco> Technoviking: yes, but i dont know where to find it
[19:07] <maco> AlanBell: today for ubucon its ubuntu dev processes, tomorrow it's the linux security myth
[19:08] <Pendulum> maco: have fun!
[20:01] <paultag> Hey all!
[20:01] <paultag> maco: I'm on my way!
[20:01] <paultag> I'm on the bus now
[20:01] <paultag> Looking at traffic
[20:01] <paultag> maco: when is Ubucon?
[20:02] <paultag> I'll be in by about 5:30
[20:32] <czajkowski> has sufficiently kicked paultag ass this evening
[20:32] <czajkowski> can continue to watch her rugby
[20:32] <paultag> :)
[20:45] <paultag> maco: jcastro, either of you two around?
[20:45] <jcastro> paultag: yo
[20:46] <paultag> jcastro: I'll be down at OLF in t-minus about 1 hour 30, any plans for tonight?
[20:46] <jcastro> I am following the crowd to the party
[20:46] <paultag> Killer. Where are ya'll now ?
[20:46] <paultag> I'd love to find the crowd -- I'll be coming in late :(
[20:47] <jcastro> C112
[20:47] <paultag> Oh, ahha
[20:47] <paultag> I see, righto
[20:47] <paultag> Well once i'm settled in, I'll pop back online and see what's going on
[20:47] <paultag> Man, we should have an #olf channel
[21:42] <czajkowski> http://pix.ie/odonohuem/1909819/in/album/387345  our Meerkat has arrived early
[22:20] <maco> paultag: ill be at the speaker dinner then the party
[22:21] <maco> paultag: #ohiolinux on oftc
[22:38] <paultag> maco: Where are ya'll now? I just checked in
[22:38] <paultag> jcastro: I'll throw a ping your way, too


[00:05] <Unit193> Eickmeyer: I mean if that's part of Mozilla's requirements for distribution of firefox and they can enforce that, then it'd seem to be non-free to me and some alternative should be found.
[00:07] <Eickmeyer> Unit193: not my call, nor is that up to the CC.
[00:07] <Unit193> I mean, you just brought it up. :P
[00:08] <Eickmeyer> Unit193: No, I explained the reason it's a snap now, I didn't start the conversation.
[00:09] <Eickmeyer> And non-free software is allowed in Ubuntu (see multiverse).
[00:11] <Unit193> Yeah but terrible defaults. :P
[00:14] <JanC> Ubuntu can distribute Firefox, it just maight be blocked from using the trademark
[00:14] <JanC> might
[00:15] <JanC> but Mozilla is being hostile to the community IMNSHO
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> Guys, TOPIC.
[00:16] <JanC> I explained at the beginning how this is a security issue, did you even bother to read that...?
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> Bug report.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> Prove it and file it in a bug report.
[00:17] <JanC> Firefox-as-a-snap is DoS
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> Prove it and file a bug report.
[00:18] <JanC> I gave the upstream bug report
[00:18] <Eickmeyer> Did you prove it?
[00:19] <JanC> so you didn't even bother to look at it...
[00:22] <JanC> (I don't have to prove bug reports that were filed & confirmed by others)
[00:27] <JanC> maybe you need to re-read the actual CoC yourself...
[00:28] <Unit193> JanC: Either way, I don't see continuing on in here as likely to get anywhere, specifically on a Sunday night.  I think the bug report is the best approach.
[00:29] <JanC> Unit193: this requires more of a systemic discussion really
[00:30] <JanC> but I'm not sure I have the time/motivation to move it forward
[00:35] <JanC> I've been part of the Ubuntu community since 2004, so this whole situation really sucks
[12:44] <bittin> Listening to the episode from this Friday now amurray feel better
[12:57] <amurray> thanks bittin - am slowly getting better... is taking longer than I would have liked/hoped but slowly, slowly...
[13:00] <bittin> having a cold and headache/migranes myself, but feeling a bit better today so catching up with last weeks podcasts, while testing Fedora stuff
[13:05] <amurray> hope you feel better soon bittin
[17:55] <sarnold> still, most irc users don't bother loading the extra matrix links
[17:57] <sarnold> JanC: I'm rather hoping Someone [tm] will come up with a nice little shell script to wget latest firefox, either unpack it or debify it, smack together an apparmor profile for it, maybe some bwrap integration..
[18:36] <jjohansen> regardless, mozilla has chosen to ship FF as a snap (and there are good technical reasons to do so). What would be helpful is reports (preferably bugs) of how this fails for people (especially security issues). So that the FF snap can be improved and work for more people
[18:37] <jjohansen> from the ubuntu side, if its a snap issue then it would be good to have an ubuntu bug even if its linked to a mozilla bug
[18:44] <sarnold> aye, it'd be nice if we didn't wind up losing all brazilian desktop users
[18:59] <rbasak> JanC: if you want to lock a snap to a particular version: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for-snap-from-store/707/269
[18:59] <rbasak> Though of course not updating a browser to receive security risks is a security problem. But if you want to do that, then you can.
[19:00] <rbasak> s/risks/updates/
[19:02] <sarnold> oh that's clever
[19:12] <JanC> well, some of my systems don't have enough diskspace to use snaps, so it's not even an option on those...
[19:13] <JanC> and the Firefox bug I linked to results in a DoS when I have to interact with the government here, so that's a security issue too  :)
[19:14] <JanC> (sometimes you have to weigh risks)
[19:15] <jjohansen> sure, which is perfectly valid to point out, Ubuntu needs to know the use cases where things are problematic, thats not saying it will drop snaps, etc. but the more cases are known the better chance they have of being addressed
[19:16] <JanC> like, not upgrading your browser just before you need it for something important
[19:16] <jjohansen> yep
[19:18] <JanC> and snapd & flatpak combined used ~10 GiB of disk space on my main desktop system, with 0 packages installed in both, that's somewhat insane...   ;)
[19:27] <JanC> so that thing on the forum is not really a solution, as that way it will not upgrade at all
[19:27] <JanC> it might be useful some day for something else, I guess
[19:36] <jjohansen> JanC: sure, snaps and flatpaks take extra space, no one can argue with that. Doing so has advantages and disadvantages. Thats not an argument for -security.
[19:37] <jjohansen> that it causes a dos for your use case is worth bringing up
[19:38] <jjohansen> asking about what your options are to work around, etc.
[19:38] <jjohansen> but the broader argument about snaps needs to be done else where
[19:39] <JanC> Firefox broke the smartcard/eID support, so basically we can no longer file taxes & such  :)
[19:40] <ahasenack> o/
[19:40] <jjohansen> yeah, and it is very much worth bringing up
[19:41] <ahasenack> I filed a bug in lp for that, against the deb, even though I know it's the snap
[19:41] <ahasenack> it got linked to an upstream firefox bug about the snap
[19:41] <ahasenack> that's fine for me
[19:42] <jjohansen> ahasenack: I can give you a gross temperary work around
[19:42] <ahasenack> nah
[19:42] <ahasenack> I can still use chrome, or firefox from the upstream tarball
[19:42] <jjohansen> yep
[19:43] <ahasenack> it's just a few sites
[19:44] <jjohansen> sure, but its really annoying
[19:44] <JanC> some people also use those some government organisations use the eID system for logins/SSO
[19:47] <JanC> (I don't know if any of those use Ubuntu or another linux though)
[19:48] <ahasenack> well, we all know it's important, upstream is aware, there are workarounds
[19:48] <JanC> I'm also not particularly thrilled to see Mozilla still use Ubuntu 16.04 for testing BTW...   :P
[19:49] <jjohansen> well I like that thy use 16.04 for testing, I just would like it to also be 18.04, 20.04, 22.04 ... :)
[19:51] <JanC> assuming they have an extended support contract enabled for that 16.04, otherwise it's out of security support...  ;)
[19:52] <jjohansen> well, free support anyways, it is covered by ESM
[19:53] <sarnold> and even then I think they could use the 'three free machines' thing :)
[19:53] <JanC> I assume Mozilla has more than a couple computers  :)
[19:53] <sarnold> I added a note to the jammy release notes about the firefox pkcs#11 support; it'd be nice if mozilla address it before we ship jammy, but just in case there's at least a note somewhere
[19:54] <JanC> the bug I suffer from is broken in the non-snap Firefox versions too, of course
[19:55] <sarnold> ow :/
[19:58] <JanC> they already fixed it upstream AFAIK, so it will be fixed in the next release I presume, and I can wait until then to file my taxes; but if this happens when the deadline is close it would be more problematic
[20:01] <sarnold> hmm is it? I'm not super-familiar with bugzilla these days but it looks ignored to me https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1734371
[20:03] <JanC> sarnold: I was talking about the non-Snap bug I have, also related to pkcs11 in Firefox  :)
[20:03] <sarnold> JanC: ah!
[20:04] <JanC> the point is just that you need to be able to test before allowing upgrades to a fairly critical OS component  :)
[20:06] <JanC> (and with everything-in-the-cloud nowadays, the browser is almost the most critical OS component...)
[20:08] <sarnold> good point! put the browser in the cloud! https://www.mightyapp.com/


[10:04] <twb> In https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html#openldap-tls
[10:04] <twb> It assumes the ssl-cert package is installed, but gnutls-bin does not cause it to be installed.  In a sufficiently minimal server (esp. one without postfix), it will not be installed.
[11:36] <peppe84> any committers is this channel for review this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/687450
[11:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687450 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Replace totally F-Spot (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,In progress]