[11:49] <theblazehen> https://linx.li/selif/nck3xi38.png Nice shirt
[13:26] <Langjan> Hello inetpro K_K_N smile theblazehen et al
[13:39] <Langjan> Helloooo - anybody home?
[14:15] <Kilos> hi Langjan and everyone else
[14:16] <Kilos> might not be here long, using 3g dongle with mtn thats vrot but route refuses to connect to cellc and cant login to it because of ip addy issues
[14:17] <Langjan> Hi Kilos good to see you here
[14:17] <Langjan> you ok?
[14:17] <Kilos> yes ty sir and you?
[14:18] <Kilos> just struggling to stay connected sometimes 10 mins then off
[14:18] <Langjan> Fine thks
[14:18] <Langjan> Plse help
[14:18] <Langjan> My friend's laptop was stolen, but I have his files (Ubuntu 14.04 system) backed up on my external drive. He also lost his PUK and pin for his Vodacom dongle in the process, so cannot connect, but the settings must be in the backed-up files so I just need to know where to look.
[14:18] <Kilos> i saw the mail
[14:19] <Kilos> got into the external and see what you can see
[14:19] <Langjan> OK I just dont know how to find a file in these systems
[14:19] <Langjan> ok
[14:19] <Kilos> is /home backed up
[14:19] <Kilos> i havent needed to do that yet
[14:19] <Langjan> yes will it be one of the .whatever files?
[14:20] <Kilos> you can open . files if you do something
[14:20] <Kilos> haha
[14:20] <Kilos> forget what
[14:20] <Langjan> .cache, .compiz
[14:20] <Kilos> show hidden
[14:21] <Langjan> oh but I need to know which one
[14:21] <Langjan> yes but then which one?
[14:21] <Kilos> compiz will be system stuff
[14:21] <Kilos> so in a non system folder
[14:21] <Kilos> is everything . files
[14:22] <Kilos> theblazehen why arent you advising here
[14:22] <Langjan> Google syas its in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[14:23] <Kilos> when you see 2 blind people trying to get somewhere dont you guide them
[14:23] <Langjan> lmga!
[14:24] <Kilos> if you have a spare drive Langjan you can install on it then backup the home off external and youll have everything
[14:24] <Kilos> only way i can think of atm
[14:25] <Langjan> You lost me there Kilos
[14:25] <Kilos> where actually
[14:26] <Kilos> install your friends system on a spare drive and do the backup
[14:28] <Langjan> You mean back his current home up and then install the backed up home in his system?
[14:28] <Langjan> Then it will probably connect but I still need to get it to connect with his current system
[14:29] <Langjan> So I need to find the backed up file with the settings and install it in his currently-installed home folder
[14:34] <Kilos-> see what i mean about connection
[14:35] <Langjan> Ai! Yest its frustrating
[14:35] <Kilos-> his lappy is gone right?
[14:35] <Langjan> yes he has a new one
[14:35] <Kilos-> or has he another
[14:35] <Kilos-> ok then run the backup to the new one
[14:36] <Kilos-> is it a proper backup or just copied files
[14:36] <Langjan> Its the whole home folder
[14:36] <Kilos-> good
[14:37] <Kilos-> then everything will be there, just need to install all the packages he had before
[14:37] <Kilos-> and the apps
[14:37] <Langjan> Thats already been done
[14:37] <Langjan> done
[14:37] <Kilos-> so whats missing then
[14:37] <Kilos-> everything should then be the same as the old lappy
[14:38] <Langjan> I only installed the backed-up files that I know about
[14:38] <Kilos-> wait
[14:38] <Kilos-> how did you make the backup of home
[14:38] <Kilos-> backup tool?
[14:39] <Langjan> copied it to my external drive
[14:39] <Kilos-> listen now
[14:39] <Kilos-> you copied /home to external
[14:39] <Kilos-> then copied it back
[14:40] <Kilos-> try in future to use deja dup backup tool or rsync from cli
[14:40] <Langjan> no I did not copy the whole /home back
[14:41] <Kilos-> you must if you want everything back
[14:41] <Kilos-> you cant pick and choose
[14:41] <Langjan> I did that before and ended up with conflicts
[14:41] <Kilos-> you do a basic install
[14:41] <Kilos-> then backup
[14:42] <Kilos-> better with backup tool
[14:42] <Kilos-> i use rsync
[14:42] <Langjan> I have never used backup tool or rsync
[14:43] <Kilos-> sudo rsync -av miles:miles /home/ /media/miles/ext/home/
[14:43] <Langjan> have tried backup tool but too complicated for gray hair
[14:43] <Kilos-> command is easy
[14:45] <Langjan> OK so I gather I cannot find the file with the connection settings - its hidden somewhere in obscurity
[14:45] <Kilos-> wait for one of the clever guys
[14:46] <Langjan> what does the sudo rsync command do?
[14:46] <Kilos-> thats how i do it , but try copy the whole home folder back
[14:46] <Kilos-> it makes a backup
[14:48] <Langjan> If I copy the whole home folder it will ask me whether to replace duplicate files and I wont know when to select the old or the new ones
[14:49] <Kilos-> just say yes to everything
[14:51] <Langjan> Will that not cause problems with the new installation and apps?
[14:52] <Langjan> OK I know I must keep the new .thunderbird for example, but to get them all right is a bit of a gamble
[14:55] <Kilos-> just try it, what else can you do
[14:55] <Kilos-> or wait for chesedo or padda
[14:55] <Langjan> Get the settings from Vodacom
[14:56] <Kilos-> what settings?
[14:56] <Langjan> I thought it will cut the schlep if I can find that file
[14:56] <Kilos-> for vodamail?
[14:56] <Langjan> for the dongle to connect
[14:57] <Langjan> He has a Vodacom dongle for internet
[14:57] <Kilos-> nm should connect with no settings from anywhere
[14:58] <Langjan> thats what he thought but it keeps asking for a PUK and pin
[14:58] <Langjan> On win 7 and Ubuntu
[15:00] <Langjan> His old machine was a 32 bit the new one is 64 bit could that be a part of the problem?
[15:06] <Kilos-> shouldnt be
[15:06] <Kilos-> take sim out dongle and put in fone
[15:06] <Kilos-> then set it to not ask for pin
[15:07] <Kilos-> and puk you can get from voda
[15:07] <Kilos-> i think you call and there options to get puck
[15:08] <Kilos-> just google how to get puk on vodacom
[15:08] <Langjan> OK thks will try that
[15:08] <Kilos-> where the card the sim was in
[15:08] <Kilos-> puk is on there
[15:09] <Langjan> Hes lost it long time ago
[15:09] <Kilos-> lol
[15:09] <Kilos-> they will help just call from sim
[15:09] <Langjan> Yes I'm sure
[15:09] <Kilos-> good luck
[15:10] <Langjan> thks
[15:10] <Kilos-> those things always keep in a drwaer somewhere
[15:10] <Langjan> Agreed
[15:10] <Kilos-> one of the options when you call is if you need your puk
[15:11] <Kilos-> puk and pin i think
[15:11] <Kilos-> might be an sms even
[15:11] <Kilos-> wbb nature calls
[15:12] <Langjan> Go well Kilos- and thks again
[15:21] <Kilos-> Langjan remember
[15:22] <Kilos-> when you do an install like that and want to use the backup home you must use the same password
[15:22] <Kilos-> then you shouldnt have any hassles
[15:22] <Kilos-> should end up exactly as before
[15:32] <Langjan> OK thks Kilos- Will remember, but the change from 32 to 64 bit would have complicated things with some apps?
[15:33] <Kilos-> as long as all the new stuff is 64bit and you have muliarch installed it should work i think
[15:34] <Kilos-> muliarch
[15:34] <Kilos-> multiarch
[15:34] <Kilos-> multi something
[15:34] <Langjan> Third time lucky! lmga
[15:34] <Kilos-> lol
[15:34] <Kilos-> head thumping
[15:35] <Langjan> Ai! Jammer. How are your girls?
[15:35] <Kilos-> they ok ty
[15:35] <Langjan> Good. Convey my best wishes
[15:36] <Kilos-> will do ty very much oom jan
[15:36] <Kilos-> being apart is tough
[15:36] <Langjan> I'm sure its very tough
[15:36] <Kilos-> but need heart working fine before i can think of going back
[15:37] <Kilos-> and the bad internet here makes skype very painful as well
[15:37] <Kilos-> hehe
[15:37] <Kilos-> these things are sent to test us
[15:38] <Kilos-> lemme go work on this router prob
[15:38] <Kilos-> you look after yourself and keep well
[15:38] <Langjan> Strongs. Keep well
[15:38] <Kilos-> regards to the familt
[15:38] <Langjan> thks
[15:38] <Kilos-> family
[15:38] <Langjan> thks will do
[15:38] <Langjan> take good care
[15:39] <Kilos-> will you and you as well
[15:39] <Kilos-> you the rondloper
[15:39] <Langjan> lol
[15:39] <Langjan> to Tzaneen tomorrow
[15:39] <Kilos-> sjoe
[15:39] <Kilos-> go safe
[15:39] <Langjan> thks
[15:40] <Langjan> Hope you sort the router quick
[15:40] <Kilos-> lol me too ty
[15:40] <Langjan> Bye for now
[15:40] <Kilos->  been battling 2 days already
[15:40] <Kilos-> cheers my friend
[15:40] <Langjan> Ai whats the prob
[15:41] <Kilos-> it works well then for some reason the ip addresses change and pcs cant see it
[15:41] <Kilos-> no idea why the ips change
[15:41] <Langjan> sjoe, sterkte daarmee sounds ominous
[15:41] <Kilos-> lol dankie
[15:42] <Langjan> new firmware?
[15:42] <Kilos-> scared to try that in case it gets stuffed up permanently
[15:42] <Kilos-> cant afford to lose connection in the mi=ddle of an upgrade
[15:43] <Langjan> well sounds like its stuffed anyway but scary to do via that connection
[15:43] <Kilos-> then its bricked as they say'
[15:43] <Langjan> yes
[15:43] <Kilos-> lol
[15:43] <Langjan> OK sterkte my vriend
[15:43] <Kilos-> dankie baie , julle ook
[15:44] <Langjan> Dankie Kilos- kry iemand met ADSL lyn en doen die opgradering
[15:44] <Kilos-> een dag ja
[15:44] <Langjan> Mooi loop
[15:44] <Langjan> cheers
[15:44] <Kilos-> cheers for now
[22:35] <Kilos> fp


[00:03] <cwong1> asac: The version in gusty (<IP_ADDRESS>.2) didn't work.  The new one <IP_ADDRESS>... works fine.
[01:07] <asac> cwong1: hmm ... it was rolled back because it crashed konqueror and opera ... what a mess :/
[01:09] <cwong1> asac: the problem is really with the flash plugin itself, right? not your new package.
[01:15] <DarkMageZ> the problem is indeed with the new flash plugin.
[01:16] <asac> yes ... adobe appeared to have dropped support for non mozilla/IE things
[01:16] <asac> if true, this is really a mess
[01:17] <DarkMageZ> you need to jab adobe about their redistribution licence. so you can package 9.0.48
[01:17] <DarkMageZ> or fix opera & konqueror :P
[01:17] <asac> DarkMageZ: well packaging the bin would be better indeed, but .48 has security holes
[01:17] <asac> which isn't much better
[01:25] <cwong1> asac: Can you modify the package to ask the user for browser name and install the rigth flash?
[01:26] <asac> cwong1: well ... the old flash isn't available for download anymore afaict.
[01:26] <asac> i will raise this tomorrow
[01:27] <cwong1> asac: well then folks use opera and konqueror are screwed, period.  Then why not at leat fix the package and make the firefox user happy? :):)
[01:27] <cwong1> asac: We can discuss this tomorrow.
[01:29] <asac> cwong1: i am sure we can at least upload a fixed package to the mobile ppa
[01:29] <asac> asap
[01:29] <asac> cwong1: you pull from there anyway, don't you?
[01:30] <cwong1> I have to check with the QA tonight to find out wehre they pull the package.
[01:31] <cwong1> I will chat with you tommorrow on this.
[01:31] <asac> cwong1: i think your current builds pull from gutsy + gutsy ppa (for new packages)
[01:31] <asac> yes
[01:31] <asac> cu
[01:31] <asac> have to go
[01:31] <cwong1> I think u are right
[01:31] <cwong1> cu
[06:30] <[reed]> fyi
[06:30] <[reed]> I just landed mozilla bug 193001
[06:30] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 193001 in Printing "Use gnome's native print dialog" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193001
[08:52] <asac> [reed]: thats amazing
[08:53] <[reed]> except a mochitest is failing because of it, but I believe it's the test's fault, not the patch's
[08:53]  * [reed] is compiling a debug build to prove this
[08:53] <asac> yeah :)
[08:53] <asac> is it shipped as a SHARED component?
[09:01] <[reed]> it's part of gtk2 widget
[09:34] <asac> oh ok ... its the gtk print dialog then. fine.
[09:45]  * asac reboot
[11:17] <asac> [reed]: you expect the print thing to reland soon?
[11:18] <armin76> reland?
[11:20] <asac> armin76: yes ... was backed out according to bonsai
[11:22] <[reed]> asac: yes
[11:22] <[reed]> later today
[11:22] <[reed]> once we deal with the test problem
[11:22] <asac> fantastic
[11:27] <armin76> yay
[11:32] <armin76> what about trunk failing to compile? :P
[11:34] <[reed]> ?
[11:42] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/SkMGJH84.html
[11:44] <[reed]> when did that start?
[11:52] <armin76> dunno
[11:52] <armin76> in 20080108 didn't happen
[11:53] <armin76> i'm going to check with a 13 checkout
[12:41] <armin76> [reed]: asac: probably mozilla bug 411327 broke it
[12:41] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 411327 in XPConnect "nsIXPCNativeCallContext should not inherit from nsISupports" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411327
[12:47] <[reed]> comment in the bug
[12:57] <asac> armin76: how does it fail for you?
[12:57] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/SkMGJH84.html
[12:57] <armin76> asac: ^
[13:33] <armin76> so according to the bug, http://rafb.net/p/k7RtGF42.html should fix it
[13:33] <armin76> [reed]: should i file a new bug for that patch or use that bug?
[13:33] <[reed]> file a new bug, mark it blocking that other bug
[13:34] <armin76> okay, thanks
[14:11] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/3hsKj761.html
[14:11] <armin76> definitive patch
[14:14] <armin76> Ubulette: ^^^^ that's the patch for your build failure in webservices
[14:14] <[reed]> armin76: file the bug under Core :: Web Services
[14:16] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/Jl0IhB54.html
[14:16] <armin76> not yet, now it gives another error :D
[15:33] <asac> armin76: i think he complained about pyxpcom build failure yesterday, which i fixed in our bzr branch
[15:35] <asac> armin76: is it a special arch that breaks for you?
[15:36] <armin76> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3613/
[15:36] <armin76> he complained about that
[15:36] <armin76> Jan 16 20:30:39 <Ubulette>      trunk is once again broken http://paste.ubuntu.com/3613/
[15:36] <armin76> i'm using ia64, but i don't think it matters
[15:37] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/Td5KsY42.html
[15:38] <asac> ok ... i fixed jan 15. ok
[15:42] <asac> armin76: is your patch good?
[15:42] <armin76> nope, read the bug
[15:45] <asac> armin76: you need to dump the getter_Addrefs
[15:45] <asac> did you do that?
[15:45] <asac> armin76: like http://paste.ubuntu.com/3622/
[15:45] <asac> those do Add/Release business afaict
[15:46] <asac> and the patch in that bug does it as well
[15:46] <armin76> i didnt
[15:46] <asac> then do :)
[15:46]  * armin76 looks
[15:46] <asac> looks like its names ncc everywhere ... so maybe just: s/getter_AddRefs(ncc)/&ncc/g
[15:46] <asac> or something
[15:47] <asac> and take care that you use +  nsAXPCNativeCallContext *ncc = nsnull;
[15:47] <asac> and not nsCOMPtr<nsAXPCNativeCallContext> ...
[15:50] <asac> armin76: all clear ;) ?
[15:51] <armin76> dunno :P
[15:52] <armin76> grep -r 'getter_AddRefs' js/ | wc -l
[15:52] <armin76> 182
[15:52] <asac> i think it is ... do both and the error above shouldn't happen
[15:52] <asac> he?
[15:52] <asac> try getter_AddRefs.ncc
[15:53] <armin76> you mean ( instead of .?
[15:54] <armin76> both return nothing anyway :P
[15:55] <asac> well ... . will match all :)
[15:55] <asac> armin76: then its fine ... try the webservices directlry
[15:55] <asac> or try getter_AddRefs.*ncc in case they inserted whitespace
[15:56] <asac> midbrowser 0.3.0b2 building
[15:56]  * asac crossing fingers
[15:58] <armin76> there's no ncc :P
[15:59] <armin76> will try with nsAXPCNativeCallContext *ncc = nsnull;
[16:17] <asac> cwong1: jimmy_: beta2 merged and pushed. I tried hard to clean up merge bugs in midbrowser.js (preference file) ... it cured history, but bookmarks still broken.
[16:45] <asac> cwong1: jimmy_: good news. I fixed bookmarks on WORKING for beta2 :)
[16:45] <asac> pushed
[16:46] <asac> cwong1: jimmy_: one part of the fix includes to add the Offline Menu entry ... i think that should be ok to have there (for now)
[16:55] <asac> cwong1: jimmy_: now someone of you should fix the zoom icons (which have disappeared because of native theming i guess)
[17:11] <cwong1> asac: We now what the problem with the icon is.  Jimmy has fixed it but haven't push the changes in yet.
[17:11] <cwong1> s/now/know/
[17:16] <asac> cwong1: tell him to do that on the current WORKING branch then
[17:16] <cwong1> asac: he knows that
[17:16] <asac> cwong1: and lets review the changes outside midbrowser/|browser/ ... e.g. in toolkit/ et al (if any)
[17:17] <asac> cwong1: ok fine.
[17:17] <cwong1> asac: r u referring to the changes that I made for raising the window?
[17:17] <asac> cwong1: we need to eliminate all changes in toolkit/ in order to use system xul
[17:17] <asac> and system xul is required for startup performance
[17:17] <cwong1> ok
[17:18] <asac> once system xul is used by home screen most system xul libs will already be in memory when midbrowser is started for first time
[17:19] <cwong1> that will be great. Do you know if bspecncer planning on useing system xul for home screen?
[17:19] <asac> cwong1: well he has to
[17:19] <asac> everything else won't make much sense
[17:19] <asac> i thought that our team could do the migration
[17:19] <cwong1> Anyone assign for that task yet?
[17:20] <asac> cwong1: you ;) :)
[17:20] <asac> :-P
[17:20] <cwong1> :)
[17:20] <cwong1> I will chat with bob today
[17:20] <asac> no idea ... lets ask him.
[17:20] <asac> right
[17:21] <cwong1> have you check in the fix for flashplugin-nonfree?
[17:21] <asac> cwong1: how does your builder work ... is it ok to keep UNRELEASED as distribution in the top most changelog?
[17:21] <cwong1> yes it is ok
[17:21] <asac> oh ok ... will switch to UNRELEASED on next changelog commit then
[17:24] <asac> cwong1: once icons are fixed lets do a review round and if that is good enough push WORKING to master branch
[17:24] <asac> maybe we can merge in the window code before, but lets try to do the command line processing outside of toolkit
[17:25] <cwong1> sounds good.
[17:25] <asac> cwong1: why didn't you register a commandlinehandler thats implemented in midbrowser component?
[17:25] <asac> (like what i suggested once)
[17:25] <asac> didn't that work?
[17:25] <cwong1> I took the easy route, Java script is not my area of expertise. :(
[17:27] <asac> hehe ... you can write such a component in C++ as well :)
[17:27] <cwong1> Plus I need to keep track of all open Window and Dialog in order to bring them to the foreground.
[17:28] <asac> cwong1: yes, but that tracking is already done in a component ... its just the command line code you patched into toolkit
[17:28] <asac> (right?)
[17:29] <asac> cwong1: but i don't understand how you raise multiple windows/dialogs in the right order ... do you track focus sequence as well?
[17:29] <asac> or is it just by accident that dialogs are always registered after the window and since we don't have more than one window it will always be right?
[17:30] <cwong1> asac: As the window open, I add it to the list and since we only have 1 window that's why it worked just fine.
[17:31] <asac> yes ... lets see how far we get by moving the cmdline handler code to midbrowser component
[17:31] <cwong1> asac: if there is a better way to do this, please change it.  You know this better than anyone of us here.
[17:32] <asac> the other bit that needs to be tackled is the gconf patch. i have to check back if upstream wants the gconf component in libxul or outside of it before i can integrate that in the xulrunner-1.9 package
[17:32] <cwong1> The key is, if there is a browser already running and the argc is 1, then just raise the window and dialogs and return.
[17:32] <asac> but that shouldn't take that long
[17:33] <cwong1> ok
[17:34] <asac> cwong1: could you raise the flashplugin-nonfree upload to ppa in the mobile meeting? i have a job interview to conduct now and so i might be late
[17:34] <asac> if they ack it (i will read logs) i will upload
[17:34] <cwong1> ok will do
[17:34] <cwong1> talk 2 u later
[17:39] <cwong1> asac: the meeting ended early.. Didn't get a chance to raise the issue..
[17:51] <cwong1> asac: Just talk to mithrandir about the flash plugin. He said goahead and upload the patch. Thanks.
[18:17] <armin76> asac: http://rafb.net/p/E67Zd317.html
[18:23] <asac> armin76: how about doing this for all occurences of nsIXPCNativeCallContext ?
[18:23] <asac> (in the tree)
[18:30] <armin76> doing so atm
[18:31] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/RRuOgl29.html
[18:41] <armin76> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ia64; en-US; rv:1.9b3pre) Gecko/2008011718 (Gentoo) Firefox/3.0b3pre
[18:41] <armin76> finally
[18:43] <armin76> well, there's a patch for webservices already
[18:43] <armin76> mozilla bug 412665
[18:43] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 412665 in Web Services "Webservices build broken" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412665
[18:49] <armin76> ]reed[: around?
[18:51] <armin76> mozilla bug 412811
[18:51] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 412811 in JavaScript Engine "xpconnect-tools build broken" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412811
[18:51] <armin76> asac: Ubulette: ^^
[18:59] <asac> armin76: i think both are nor part of the default build so you won't need approval
[19:01] <armin76> webservices is not mine
[19:03] <asac> armin76: anyway ... checking whether its ready (still applies) and then requesting checkin should be done to help contributors that are not that familiar with the process
[19:04] <armin76> it's already reviewed :P
[19:05] <armin76> lol
[19:08] <asac> armin76: yeah ... but no checkin requested
[19:08] <asac> or approval if needed
[19:09] <armin76> mine is already with checkin requested
[19:09] <asac> fine
[19:10] <armin76> i guess reed will see the other one
[19:10] <asac> yeah ... but thats a luxury we have here :)
[19:24] <jimmy_> asac: I'll check in the fix for the zoom icons
[19:26] <asac> jimmy_: thx
[19:26] <cwong1> asac: jimmy_ are u guys talking about the magnification icons?
[19:27] <jimmy_> cwong1: yes
[19:27] <cwong1> cool
[19:27] <armin76> asac: Ubulette: webservices patch commited
[19:54] <jimmy_> asac: i pushed the fixes for the zoom icons
[19:59] <asac> thanks
[20:00] <asac> jimmy_: please qa it ... i will merge the things from master branch as good as possible
[20:01] <jimmy_> asac: ok, thanks for all the work
[20:27] <asac> jimmy_: why did you checkin the zoom*2.png files?
[20:44] <asac> jimmy_: ok i make the gnomestripe zoom icons use stock icons ... and reinstantiate the ones you added as fallback back to winstripe
[20:45] <asac> pushed
[20:52] <asac> jimmy_: help!
[20:53] <asac> instead of GRABANDDRAG.JS if have a BLOCKED FILE ALERT in the XPI you send me
[20:53] <asac> so your mail filter removed the important bits :)
[20:53] <asac> probably one cause for it doesn't work :)
[20:56] <asac> jimmy_: cwong1: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/blocked.png ... how about you guys setting up ftp space for every one who has a moblin account :) ?
[20:56] <Ubulette> armin76, do you see this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3628/ ?
[20:57] <asac> that should be fixed by the other bug Ubulette
[20:57] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412665
[20:57] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 412665 in Web Services "Webservices build broken" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[20:57] <asac> oh its checked in as well ... then no idea
[20:58] <asac> either you still miss the latest checkin ... if not, the fix should be similar
[20:59] <Ubulette> co ~50min ago
[20:59] <asac> @time pst
[20:59] <asac> @time losangeles
[21:00] <asac> @time America/Los_Angeles
[21:00] <ubotu> Current time in America/Los_Angeles: January 17 2008, 13:00:16 - Next meeting: MOTU in 14 hours 59 minutes
[21:00] <Ubulette> 1pm pst
[21:00] <Ubulette> 20080117t1116
[21:00] <asac> yes ... maybe the bot misses the very last checkin?
[21:00] <asac> (e.g. 1116 is the checkin that has the fix)
[21:01] <Ubulette> hmm
[21:01] <asac> i had some wierd things ... maybe cvs tries to be smart and uses UTC
[21:01] <asac> or something
[21:01] <Ubulette> then mozclient is broken
[21:01] <asac> yes ... or the bot that should produce UTC times
[21:01] <asac> but i think its in mozclient as well ?
[21:01] <Ubulette> well, no, it's a cvs up without dates/tag
[21:01] <asac> e.g. getting the last checkin time?
[21:02] <asac> get-orig-source ? ... but it produces a tarball with the time of the last checkin, doesn't it?
[21:02] <Ubulette> yes
[21:02] <asac> so ... i thought it would look for last check time and then checkout by date
[21:02] <armin76> http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsview2.cgi?diff_mode=context&whitespace_mode=show&root=/cvsroot&subdir=mozilla/extensions/webservices/security/src&command=DIFF_FRAMESET&root=/cvsroot&file=nsWebScriptsAccess.cpp&rev1=1.22&rev2=1.23
[21:03] <armin76> should be fixed
[21:03] <asac> if thats not the case then its unlikely that its broken for get-orig-source
[21:03] <Ubulette> client.mk does that, not mozclient
[21:04] <asac> Ubulette: ok ... then most likely pserver needs time to catch up (its mirrored)
[21:04] <asac> Ubulette: ok i just ran get-orig-source in xulrunner head:
[21:04] <asac> cd mozclient-tmp && make -f mozilla/client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_PROJECT=xulrunner MOZ_CO_DATE="20080117 1116"
[21:05] <asac> so its mozclient doing that
[21:05] <asac> it sets the CO_DATE ... which needs to be converted to UTC most likely
[21:05] <Ubulette> hmm
[21:06] <asac> Ubulette: maybe you can use -z timezone
[21:06] <rhelmer> MOZ_CO_DATE gets passed to cvs' -D, so it can have timezones in it if you want
[21:06] <asac> rhelmer: so how would it look like if we want the date above, but in PST?
[21:07] <asac> e.g MOZ_CO_DATE="20080117  1116"
[21:07] <Ubulette> i pull that date from bonsai
[21:07] <asac> yep
[21:08] <rhelmer> http://ximbiot.com/cvs/wiki/CVS--Concurrent%20Versions%20System%20v<IP_ADDRESS>:%20Guide%20to%20CVS%20commands#SEC121
[21:08] <asac> that PST most likely ... so we have to put the timezone in the MOZ_CO_DATE ... waiting for rhelmer to clear the mist :)
[21:10] <rhelmer> just testing to make sure :) seems to work:
[21:10] <rhelmer> make -f client.mk MOZ_CO_DATE="2008/01/17 11:16 PST" MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser checkout
[21:10] <rhelmer> cvs takes a bunch of different date formats
[21:10] <asac> rhelmer: thanks
[21:10] <rhelmer> e.g. MOZ_CO_DATE="last friday" :)
[21:11] <armin76> Ubulette: you build xpconnect-tools by chance?
[21:11] <Ubulette> nope
[21:13] <Ubulette> ok, patching mozclient...
[21:13] <asac>  \o/ ... finally riding the trunk for real :)
[21:14] <asac> Ubulette: i think after that 0.2 upload to hardy of mozilla-devscripts would be justified?
[21:15] <asac> i still have 0.2~ftaX
[21:15] <Ubulette> yep
[21:27] <Ubulette> asac, bug 178152
[21:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178152 in xine-lib "[packaging] patches outside debian dir" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178152
[21:27] <Ubulette> i thought it was no good... is it?
[21:27]  * asac looking
[21:28] <asac> its ok to not use a patch system at all ... mixing is definitly bad. not using a patchsystem bares some backdrafts for the distros, but as long as the branch is public this isn't a big problem
[21:29] <asac> for mozillas its different because we carried a lot of patches in the past, that intersected et al
[21:30] <asac> so in the end its a matter of preference. its encouraged to use a patch system though
[21:31] <asac> luckily the majority of maintainers prefers a patch systems :)
[21:34] <asac> but there is a bug anyway :)
[21:34] <asac> the url stated in the control file is wrong
[21:34] <asac> it should be: http://hg.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/pkg/xine-lib-deb
[21:35] <asac> let me file a bug :)
[21:36] <Ubulette> go ahead
[21:39] <asac> bug 183886
[21:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183886 in xine-lib "XS-Vcs-Hg url in debian/control doesn't exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183886
[21:48] <jimmy_> asac: i am back
[21:49] <jimmy_> asac: yeah, i think we have a ftp directory on moblin that we can use to share files
[21:49] <jimmy_> asac: i just dun know how to access it, i'll ask Carl
[21:57] <asac> jimmy_: good
[21:57] <asac> jimmy_: could we get a place to do real releases?
[21:57] <asac> like an official source tarball?
[21:59] <asac> and a project page with build-instructions would be awesome
[21:59] <jimmy_> i'll check with Carl, I believe we are setting up a website for the ADK off moblin, so in there, we might have links to a new site that hosts the source and instructions for the Browser
[22:00] <asac> ADK?
[22:00] <jimmy_> a development kit for moblin, more like a how-to guides for developers working on MID devices
[22:01] <asac> ok
[22:02] <jimmy_> so they are re-freshing the moblin.org site too, so that developers could have more access to post and maintain each projects, but i don't know how soon
[22:02] <asac> :)
[22:43] <Ubulette> armin76, cairo 1.5.6 released (and already in ubuntu)
[23:10] <cwong1> asac: can you upload the flashpugin-nonfree fix asap?
[23:15] <DarkMageZ> cwong1, the new version breaks konqueror & opera. the current version won't install on anyones. if an update is made then it'll break the current konqueror & opera users...
[23:18] <cwong1> DarkMageZ: from what I understand, the current version wont install the flash plugin anyway becuase the checksum was doesn't match.
[23:18] <cwong1> DarkMageZ: the user of opera and konqueror are screwed anyway, right?
[23:19] <DarkMageZ> exactly. only new installers are messed over. the current installed base works.
[23:19] <DarkMageZ> cept the current install base of konqueror & opera are fine. cept some security hole.
[23:20] <DarkMageZ> if an update is pushed then they'll be !@#$ed
[23:21] <armin76> Ubulette: i know
[23:22] <cwong1> DarkMageZ: shame on adobe..
[23:23] <DarkMageZ> cwong1, shame on the penguins for not reverse engineering the specs and reimplementing it. dodge adobe completely.
[23:33] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: What are you talking about.  gnash works, kinda :)
[23:33] <DarkMageZ> gnash works... if you're on crack :p
[23:36] <asac> cwong1: uploaded
[23:37] <asac> to ppa-mobile
[23:37] <cwong1> asac: thanks
[23:37] <asac> should be avail in 1 hour or so
[23:37] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: But you can hardly complain that noone's reverse-engineered flash :P
[23:38] <DarkMageZ> true
[23:38] <asac> swfdec isn't bad either


[02:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:45] <OerHeks> Did you sell your bed?
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> ive aten too much lamb yesterday
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> my stomac is turning around
[02:46] <OerHeks> food poisoning ..
[02:46] <OerHeks> drink milk, and it will come out :-P
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> im having a hot coffee, the solution to anything in life
[02:47] <OerHeks> wait, i should not give medical advise...
[02:47] <OerHeks> that would be my 2nd best: coffee
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: on holiday we are supposed to eat too much :p
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> hmmm wait a minute..whats your excuse to be early waken lol
[02:50] <OerHeks> Drabber was dancing on top of me.
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> haha
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> early dog, catches the heks
[02:51] <OerHeks> Then i remembered a piece of fried chicken in the fridge.
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> mmmm kentucky fried chicken
[02:52]  * lotuspsychje wouldnt care if it fights with the lamb
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning Bashing-om
[03:00] <Bashing-om> Hey lotuspsychje I did notice your presense . was getting back and catching up . :)
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/cant-install-linux-microsoft-signature-edition-laptop
[06:20] <ducasse> \o
[07:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:58] <ducasse> wb lordievader, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed? :)
[10:51] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[21:01] <Bashing-om> Aye, good help has arrived . keep is all in-line OerHeks :)
[21:02] <OerHeks> :-)


[04:48] <sujeet_> Hi
[04:49] <sujeet_> Can we commission the script without rebooting the server (node)?
[09:27] <mup> Bug #1619202 opened: [2.1] Upgrade doesn't remove old template files <MAAS:New for andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619202>
[09:39] <mup> Bug #1619202 changed: [2.1] Upgrade doesn't remove old template files <MAAS:New for andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619202>
[09:42] <mup> Bug #1619202 opened: [2.1] Upgrade doesn't remove old template files <MAAS:New for andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619202>
[11:14] <PCdude> I am having troubles with MAAS
[11:15] <PCdude> the nodes cannot get to the internet
[11:15] <PCdude> every apt command can indeed reach the internet. pings to the gateway succeed and dnslookups succeed too. ping an ip address outside the LAN fails and also to a hostname
[11:15] <PCdude> so the proxy through the controller does work
[11:15] <PCdude> but not for the other traffic
[11:16] <PCdude> is it possible to route other traffic through the proxy too or is there a misconfiguration?
[12:00] <sujeet_> Hi
[12:01] <sujeet_> can i commission the node without rebooting the node(server)?
[12:19] <mup> Bug #1619262 opened: [2.1, 2.0] Can't input dynamic range on "Enable DHCP" after I deleted the dynamic  range <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619262>
[14:43] <mup> Bug #1619334 opened: Service monitor logs using full enum repr rather than name <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619334>
[14:43] <mup> Bug #1619337 opened: [vanilla] Logout page highlights the settings navigation not the logout navigation <vanilla> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619337>
[15:01] <mup> Bug #1619342 opened: maas-dhcp precondition fails (/var/lib/maas/dhcpd-interfaces does not exist) <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619342>
[15:19] <mup> Bug #1619342 changed: maas-dhcp precondition fails (/var/lib/maas/dhcpd-interfaces does not exist) <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619342>
[15:28] <mup> Bug #1619342 opened: maas-dhcp precondition fails (/var/lib/maas/dhcpd-interfaces does not exist) <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619342>
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1619342 changed: maas-dhcp precondition fails (/var/lib/maas/dhcpd-interfaces does not exist) <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619342>
[16:01] <mup> Bug #1619368 opened: maas upgrade failed from 14.04+1.9 to 16.04+2.0 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619368>
[16:20] <sujeet_> can i commission the node without rebooting the node(server)?
[16:37] <neith> PCdude: its the default behavior
[16:50] <sujeet_> Hi roaksoax
[17:52] <sujeet_> Hi kiko
[17:54] <sujeet_> kiko: can i commission the node without rebooting the node(server)? or is there any other way to do it?
[18:16] <kiko> hello sujeet_
[18:16] <kiko> well
[18:16] <kiko> it's a good question
[18:17] <kiko> sujeet_, when you upload a commissioning script, it is set up to be run as part of commissioning
[18:17] <kiko> sujeet_, commissioning is a phase which boot into the ephemeral image
[18:17] <kiko> sujeet_, are you asking if you can "recommission" the node once it has already been deployed without rebooting?
[18:45] <natefinch> what's the opposite of deploy for a node?  I deployed a node from the GUI, and now I want to undo that action
[18:52] <kiko> natefinch, release
[18:52] <kiko> natefinch, note that release doesn't wipe drives by default; you need to enable that feature in the GUI if you want it, but be aware it is VERY slow on HDDs
[18:52] <kiko> natefinch, it will get faster with 2.1 where we use ATA secure erase where supported
[18:54] <sujeet_> kiko: once the node is deployed we can recommission the node without rebooting?
[18:55] <kiko> sujeet_, no, you can't
[18:55] <kiko> sujeet_, commissioning is done from the ephemeral environment
[18:55] <kiko> sujeet_, which obviously can't be used on a node running windows!
[18:57] <sujeet_> ok, is there any other way to do without rebooting?
[18:57] <sujeet_> i just want to communicate to the http server to get json data
[19:00] <kiko> sujeet_, you mean once the node is deployed? no, definitely not
[19:00] <kiko> sujeet_, are you clear on how MAAS works?
[19:00] <sujeet_> yes
[19:00] <kiko> sujeet_, once you deploy the node runs the target OS, and we don't run an agent on it
[19:01] <sujeet_> before deploying?
[19:01] <sujeet_> still my node is in ready state
[19:02] <kiko> sujeet_, if your node is in ready state, it is powered off
[19:02] <sujeet_> we are getting the info of drives, Ram,and so on
[19:02] <kiko> sujeet_, right
[19:02] <sujeet_> no
[19:02] <kiko> no?
[19:02] <kiko> what do you mean?
[19:03] <sujeet_> instead of getting again all the info of system, can we run the script?
[19:04] <sujeet_> my http server will reside in BMC chip
[19:05] <sujeet_> so i need to do some operation (firmware upgrade or secure erase) after the node is in ready state
[19:05] <kiko> you just run commissioning again
[19:05] <kiko> it will run your script, along with recollecting system information
[19:06] <sujeet_> so without rebooting it wont work?
[19:06] <kiko> roaksoax, can a user script be run before we collect the hardware information?
[19:06] <kiko> sujeet_, I don't understand what you mean by "without rebooting"
[19:06] <kiko> sujeet_, when the node is in the ready state, it is powered off
[19:06] <kiko> sujeet_, when you tell it to Commission, MAAS boots the node
[19:06] <roaksoax> kiko: a commissioning script? no, they run after MAAS has done its thing
[19:06] <sujeet_> ok
[19:06] <roaksoax> kiko: in this case, what do we need it for ?
[19:06] <kiko> roaksoax, we probably need to run then before MAAS does hardware probing
[19:07] <kiko> roaksoax, because if you are setting up HW RAID the drive details will change
[19:07] <kiko> otherwise you'll need to reboot or at least re-run the hardware probe multiple times
[19:07] <kiko> roaksoax, s/then/them
[19:08] <kiko> sujeet_, oh, I think I see what you mean
[19:08] <kiko> sujeet_, you want to be able to issue commands to the BMC while the node is powered off?
[19:08] <roaksoax> kiko: we could potentially look into doing commissioning scripts in such a way that they run on early or late stages
[19:08] <kiko> sujeet_, can you upgrade firmware while the node is off? what about set up drives?
[19:08] <roaksoax> kiko: but that would indeed require a bit of work
[19:08] <kiko> roaksoax, yeah, it's work for sure, but hopefully not too much
[19:09] <sujeet_> ok
[19:23] <mup> Bug #1619435 opened: Images imported, but settings says "no usable release" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619435>
[19:25] <sujeet_> 1->. I enlisted the node (after enlisting the state is power OFF). 2.->I commission the node (after commissioning the state is ON). 3-> i want to write the script to communicate to the BMC http server (on node power state ON)
[19:26] <kiko> sujeet_, 2 is wrong. after commissioning the state is off.
[19:26] <kiko> sujeet_, your script needs to run as part of step 2.
[19:29] <sujeet_> ok , but after commissioning the state is ON in my setup, do you think there is some problem?
[19:29] <kiko> sujeet_, yes, there is a problem
[19:30] <kiko> sujeet_, when you commission there is an option to leave the node running, though -- have you enabled it?
[19:30] <sujeet_> dont know, where is that option?
[19:31] <kiko> when you commission
[19:39] <sujeet_> Kiko: i sent the screenshot of MAAS dashboard in your mail, can you please look at it?
[19:54] <kiko> sujeet_, is the machine actually on?
[19:54] <kiko> sujeet_, or is our power check failing?
[19:54] <sujeet_> its on
[19:55] <kiko> sujeet_, okay, it's a bug. something is not finishing in the commissioning phase
[19:55] <kiko> sujeet_, I've forwarded the screenshot to andres, but if you can SSH into the node and collect the logs that would help
[19:56] <kiko> sujeet_, see privmsg
[19:57] <sujeet_> ok
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1619477 opened: [ipv6] interfaces only show one subnet during commissioning <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619477>
[22:32] <mup> Bug #1619435 changed: Images imported, but settings says "no usable release" <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619435>
[22:32] <mup> Bug #1619488 opened: 2.0.0 rack talking to 2.1.0(alpha) region results in rack errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619488>
[23:11] <mup> Bug #1619493 opened: [2.1] rack needs to be more graceful about missing recommends <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619493>


[03:04] <ben_says> cool. installed 64bit 13.04 on a donated lenovo T400.  so far so good.  hopefully will get to play more this weekend.
[03:35] <tadpole> Why on earth does Ubuntu Software Center eat ram like popcorn
[03:35] <tadpole> ;/
[03:37] <holstein> tadpole: i dont use it
[03:37] <holstein> synaptic.. or apt, aptitude
[03:38] <tadpole> I am a big fan of apt-fast or aptitude when I need to fix broken packages as it seems to be good at that.
[03:38] <tadpole> But when downloading .deb's usc is the default app for that.   have to change it!
[03:38] <holstein> synaptic works. its a gui
[05:51] <hop22UBU> WHOIS ABBADON ABBADON
[05:52] <hop22UBU> CLIENT QUIT
[05:59] <jbermudes> uhh...
[06:00] <tadpole> lol
[07:15] <contrapunctus> ???
[07:15] <contrapunctus> jbermudes, tadpole?
[07:15] <tadpole> hello
[07:16] <contrapunctus> Dafawk was dat? o.o
[07:16] <tadpole> silly people
[07:16] <contrapunctus> ?
[07:17]  * contrapunctus is none the wiser.
[07:28] <tadpole> contrapunctus, What do you use Ubuntu Studio for?
[07:36] <contrapunctus> 'received a CTCP VERSION from tadpole'?
[07:36] <tadpole> Spying on you.
[07:36] <contrapunctus> tadpole: Recording, sequencing, for film scoring...why?
[07:36] <contrapunctus> O.o
[07:37] <tadpole> Curious what people use it for
[07:37] <tadpole> I went to test it out along with a lot of other distro's and it ran so well I kept it for a desktop
[07:37] <tadpole> :P
[07:37] <tadpole> I do not know anything about audio/visual stuff that it came with except gimp. :/
[07:38] <tadpole> Do you use it professionally or for personal stuff?
[07:38] <contrapunctus> Well, I'm a student...starting out in film scoring.
[07:39] <contrapunctus> Professional I guess.
[07:41] <tadpole> :D thanks  sorry for buggin ya :P just curious
[07:42] <contrapunctus> No probs o.o
[07:43] <contrapunctus> :p
[07:45] <tadpole> :D
[07:46] <tadpole> Stupid cd burner killed two cd's
[07:46] <tadpole> ;/
[07:47] <contrapunctus> o.o
[07:47] <contrapunctus> CDs :(
[09:14] <lasconic> hello
[09:14] <lasconic> I'm doing remote assistance of an ubuntu studio user
[09:14] <lasconic> I need him to change the system font
[09:15] <lasconic> does ubuntu studio uses gnome or unity ?
[09:19] <SunStar> xfce
[09:20] <SunStar> launcher menu -> settings -> settings manager -> appearance -> font
[09:21] <SunStar> you may also want to adjust the style. some of the default styles dont have enough contrast between font and background
[09:29] <lasconic> SunStar: thanks!
[09:29] <lasconic> SunStar: the system font seems to be italic
[09:29] <lasconic> he will be able to change it there
[09:31] <lasconic> The problem is with MuseScore btw
[09:32] <lasconic> not sure why it uses the system font settings for the music font
[10:02] <zequence> lasconic: Sounds like a bug. Worth reporting
[10:03] <zequence> here's their bug tracker http://musescore.org/en/project/issues
[10:05] <lasconic> zequence: indeed, thanks ;) I'm one of the core contributors of MuseScore
[10:05] <lasconic> zequence: looks more like a bug in Qt
[13:53] <Guest41806> hi
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Hello
[13:54] <Guest41806> how are you
[13:54] <smartboyhw> I'm fine
[13:55] <Guest41806> i am good to see you
[13:55] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:55] <Guest41806> where are you from
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Hong Kong SAR, China
[13:56] <Guest41806> oh, it is good this city
[13:56] <Guest41806> i love china
[14:02] <Andrei_> hey can someone help we with installing ubuntu studio 13.04 with wubi with a already downloaded iso ?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Andrei_, 12.04 or 13.04?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> It is weird that you will try 13.04
[14:03] <Andrei_> 13.04
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Andrei_, er I heard from the Ubuntu Installer Team that this product will be unsupported any day soon
[14:03] <smartboyhw> But anyway, what's your problem?
[14:04] <Andrei_> i cant get wubi to install ubuntu studio from downloaded iso
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Why?
[14:04] <Andrei_> wubi always try to download it from internet
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Andrei_, did you put the ISO in the same directory as the wubi.exe ?
[14:04] <Andrei_> i tryed wubi.exe --iso
[14:04] <Andrei_> yes i did that
[14:05] <Andrei_> *wubi.exe --iso (directory, in my case desktop)
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Andrei_, you *did* select Ubuntu Studio in the ISO list right?
[14:06] <Andrei_> yep
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Hmm weird
[14:06] <Andrei_> its just weird...
[14:06] <smartboyhw> However that is always the issue of Wubi. Try ask in #ubuntu-installer :)
[14:06] <smartboyhw> And also, my recommendation is that don't use the dev version for now
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Andrei_, which version of wubi.exe did you download?
[14:06]  * smartboyhw just thought of it
[14:07] <Andrei_> im using the wubi version from the dev iso i downloaded
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Andrei_, so you moved wubi into another directory right?
[14:09] <Andrei_> yes
[14:09] <Guest41806> hi
[14:09] <Andrei_> otherwise i cant choose it in the CMD when its mounted to a virtual drive
[14:10] <Andrei_> oh meen... ubuntu-installer is dead ._.
[15:02] <contrapunctus> Is there any painless way to install new versions of python3-qt4 on Ubuntu Studio 12.04+KX Studio? :(
[15:05] <len-1304> It seems to me kx is LTS only.
[15:46] <holstein> contrapunctus: i would ask falk
[19:00] <whir> anybody knows hot to play multiple channels with qsynth at once
[19:00] <whir> so mix organ+piano fo example
[19:02] <holstein> whir: i just route in jack.. in "connect".. route to multiple channels/apps
[19:02] <holstein> whir2: i just route in jack.. in "connect".. route to multiple channels/apps
[19:02] <whir2> so you run multiple engines in qsynth?
[19:03] <whir2> and connect the midi input to the multiple instances of qsynth in jack?
[19:03] <holstein> whir2: i have.. or i just route the one to multiple channels/apps
[19:04] <holstein> whir2: it just depends on what i want/need
[19:05] <whir2> I only see one instance of qsynth in jack when i have only one engine
[19:05] <holstein> whir2: sure
[19:05] <holstein> whir2: and i route that to whatever i want
[19:05] <holstein> whir2: if you want to route that to multiple things.. i use JACK for that
[19:06] <holstein> if you want to go the other way, you could create the 2 channels/voices, and do the same from the controller
[19:06] <whir2> roughly speaking I just want to mix multiple instruments
[19:06] <whir2> ah ok..I have to check how I create 2 channels
[19:09] <whir2> I am prettty new at that studio stuff...any hints for places to look for more soundfonts?
[19:11] <holstein> whir2: i just search.. you can ask in #opensourcemusicians .. more midi folks there :)
[19:12] <whir2> allright
[19:46] <antto> nce


[08:18] <cmdln> afternoon
[08:18] <cmdln> ive got an ubuntu server thats acting up
[08:19] <cmdln> and mcelog complains of no /dev/mcelog
[08:19] <cmdln> has anyone come across that or used mcelog before?
[08:43] <cmdln> grr x86 sux


[11:25] <tjaalton> sigh, I'm testing easytag 2.1.6, but it's segfaulting a lot when handling flac tags
[11:26] <tjaalton> here's a backtrace when I tried to delete the cover art: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/124218/
[11:28] <tjaalton> but I've no idea where the actual bug is
[11:30] <geser> have you the -dbgsym package installed for easytag?
[11:30] <tjaalton> no, I built it myself
[11:30] <tjaalton> it's a new upstream release (well, ~9 months old)
[11:30] <geser> have you build it with debug symbols?
[11:31] <geser> and run gdb on the unstripped binary?
[11:31] <tjaalton> it's built in pbuilder, but I'll make it not strip it
[11:31] <tjaalton> sigh, cdbs..
[11:32] <geser> my first assumption would be it's a programming error in the application and not glib/gtk/pango itself
[11:32] <geser> so try to figure out the code in the application what's causing this and if it is doing everything right
[11:33] <tjaalton> that's the hard part :)
[16:44] <superm1> hi guys.  i'm finding that update-manager is launching above mythtv on it's own rather than behind it.  where is the most appropriate place to start debugging so I can assign this bug properly?  window manager? update manager itself?
[16:49] <pochu> superm1: are you running compiz?
[16:50] <superm1> pochu, no, no compositing enabled.
[16:50] <superm1> xfwm4 has compositing features, but they are disabled on our installs (and i'm looking in a vm anyhow, so there wouldn't be support for compositing even if i wanted it )
[16:50] <pochu> and does it only happen with mythtv?
[16:51] <superm1> well mythtv is the first thing that launches, so you see it immediately.  is there a way to force a "background" launch so i can see if it happens with other apps?
[16:51] <superm1> i don't even know what triggers it to launch in the first place
[16:53] <pochu> what triggers update-manager launch?
[16:53] <pochu> you must be kidding :)
[16:53] <pochu> didn't you read ubuntu-devel@ recently?
[16:54] <superm1> yeah i've seen the thread, but i mean the internals - what causes it to come up in the first place so i can debug with it?
[16:55] <pochu> ah
[16:57] <pochu> superm1: see update-notifier 0.76{,.1}
[16:59] <superm1> okay so it's running update-manager --no-focus-on-map it looks like then.  if i run that command from a terminal, should it launch behind that terminal than generally if the window manager is doing the right thing?
[17:02] <superm1> i think so, because switching to a standard ubuntu vm with nautilus that's how it's working
[17:12]  * hyperair still thinks that update-manager should _not_ launch automatically
[17:12] <superm1> thanks for pointing me in the right direction pochu. i'll bring this up with xfce folk then
[17:12] <hyperair> either way there's a gconf key for it, so i don't really care.
[17:13] <superm1> worst comes to worst if the window manager doesn't get fixed in time for jaunty, can just ship a gconf key setting to change it's behavior
[17:14] <hyperair> superm1: there is a gconf key -- /apps/update-notifier/somethingstartupsomething
[17:15] <superm1> hyperair, yeah that's what i was referring to
[17:15] <hyperair> yeah so i don't really care, as long as i can disable it
[17:15] <hyperair> it's not very discoverable for the ubuntu newbies who don't like u-m starting up on its own though
[17:15] <hyperair> and honestly speaking, i don't think many of them will like it.
[17:16] <hyperair> "even windows update doesn't spawn automatically! what possessed the ubuntu devs to make update manager spawn automatically?!"
[17:16] <hyperair> yeah i can imagine having to answer to that already, as a loco member.
[17:16] <superm1> i dont really have an opinion about it.  i'll let the folks who are putting it together do their research if it's a good idea.  i'm not a good representative of general population
[17:16] <hyperair> at which point i'll just shrug and tell them how to disable it.
[17:17] <hyperair> i _wish_ they're actually doing research about this damnit
[17:17] <hyperair> i'd like to know who actually likes having u-m spawn in their faces, or spawn behind every damn thing
[17:18] <hyperair> this is reminiscent of one of those stupid popunders that you get in windows if you were stupid/careless enough to get infected by spyware/adware