[19:51] <kosinus> henrik__: I got X up by booting into the older -9 kernel. But it hung completely in GDM.
[19:52] <superdump> if i can provide any information, let me know
[19:52] <gnata> superdump: the boot sequence is broken in a quite bad way
[19:52] <kosinus> Fun times for all. :)
[19:52] <superdump> gnata: is it known what is wrong?
[19:53] <gnata> some broken dependancies
[19:53] <superdump> (it seems dbus is not running either)
[19:53] <superdump> ok
[19:53] <gnata> but I don't know how to recover
[19:54] <superdump> maybe this is a stupid question but - any kind of eta on a fix?
[19:54] <jwhitley> udev died because it depends on upstart, but upstart got hosed due to a missing (new) package pre-depends (mountall).  mountall has landed now.  try apt-get install mountall; apt-get install upstart
[19:54] <[31d1]> fix for upstart is out, and working
[19:54] <gnata> I hope it is only a matter of donwloading some .deb
[19:54] <jwhitley> fix is now in apt; no need for a .deb now.
[19:54] <gnata> jwhitley: ok let's try
[19:55]  * superdump tries too
[19:55] <jwhitley> (colleague here just confirmed mountall in apt)
[19:55] <[31d1]> initscripts is still messed up though
[19:55] <[31d1]> which i guess explains networkmangler/dbus stuff
[19:56] <gnata> not sure I have a network...let see.
[19:56] <lupine_85> ooh, still getting fun brokens?
[19:56] <lupine_85> not seen that in an alpha5 for a while
[19:56] <superdump> as there is no #xubuntu+1, i'm also wondering if the boot splash for xubuntu is going to be made to match those for ubuntu and kubuntu (the ones with the thin line) as they look _much_ better
[19:56] <superdump> gnata: i managed to get network up just by running sudo NetworkManager
[19:57] <[31d1]> gnata: seems you have to manually start network manager
[19:57] <gnata> well I going to download the .deb
[19:57] <superdump> indeed it picked up the mountall dep
[19:57] <superdump> back in a minute then i guess
[19:59] <kosinus> wow, launchpad seems to work really well in links :)
[19:59] <Blinkiz> Hi there. Am testing Ubuntu karmic server. Am having problem getting the network to work. It does not seems like karmic is reading /etc/network/interface. Has something changed with karmic?
[20:00] <Blinkiz> I can't reload the network (/etc/init.d/networking restart). It complains about missing statefile something...
[20:01] <schmidtm> hi since todays update the keyboard and touchpad of my t61 thinnkpad do not work anymore
[20:01] <Blinkiz> I can check the error more carefully if that helps?
[20:01] <Heikki123> Hello
[20:02] <Heikki123> Anyone had luck on using usb headset with skype when playing music from the internal pci soundcard?
[20:02] <Heikki123> in skype there is a list to choose the device, but there is only "pulseaudio"
[20:02] <durt> ya folks, lotsa breakage yesterday/today... this channel been pretty busy for the last few hours.
[20:04] <madmike77_eee> latest update & upgrade: after boot black-screen, no tty.
[20:05] <durt> Blinkiz, I get /etc/network/interfaces parsed on boot for wired nics but not ppp0. There are breakage issues with upstart.
[20:06] <Blinkiz> durt, Yeah, "initscripts" and "upstart" was not installed according to apt-get on my karmic server. I installed the server today, with todays iso
[20:06] <Blinkiz> durt, Can this be the reason why my network does not work? Missing config files?
[20:07] <durt> Blinkiz, according to the devs it's being worked on... I assume the network issue is related, but I haven't a clue how to prove it.
[20:07] <madmike77_eee> i see it
[20:07] <Blinkiz> durt, thanks.
[20:08] <Blinkiz> durt, Know any launchpad bug report I can follow on this issue maybe?
[20:08] <durt> not yet.
[20:08] <DKcross> well.. any know more about bug with upstart?
[20:09] <gnata> yesss. start udev manually,install mountall and it does boot again
[20:09] <maxb> It really is quite impressively broken :-/
[20:09] <gnata> maxb: yes. the worst one I have seen so far since alpha1
[20:10] <Cynthia> Is it possible that the update from Alpha5 to current packages freezes the GNOME login screen?
[20:11] <kosinus> Cynthia: I've seen that. (but don't ask me why ;)
[20:11] <madmike77_eee> How does one enter into the grub2 menu? ESC doesn't seem to work...
[20:11] <kosinus> madmike77_eee: I think you hold shift during boot
[20:12] <Cynthia> kosinus: Ah, I see. Thanks. :) Another thing I noticed is that the update couldn't be calculated, I had to use apt-get instead of the Update Manager.
[20:12] <[31d1]> ok MindVirus i just filed a bug :)
[20:12] <madmike77_eee> kosinus: nope, doens't work
[20:12] <Cynthia> Is this a normal archive fubar during alphas? This is my first test of alphas, I normally use release vers.
[20:13] <[31d1]> i have high hopes it's not a dupe
[20:13] <kosinus> Cynthia: you've got bad timing. Today's has seen some unusually stormy weather. :)
[20:13] <madmike77_eee> How does one enter into grub2-menu?
[20:13] <tormod> Cynthia: this is the worst I have been hit by I think
[20:14] <maxb> Cynthia: The alphas are usually fine, but *this* is what we mean when we say "Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system"
[20:14] <kosinus> madmike77_eee: well, you could try playing with the timeout settings in /etc/default/grub and update-grub afterwards.
[20:14] <Cynthia> maxb: I fully understand that, and was wondering if others were hit by the gnome login screen freeze
[20:14] <gnata> ok.everthing back to normal. **thanks**
[20:14] <kosinus> Cynthia: lots of people don't even have X or network. :)
[20:15] <Cynthia> kosinus: lol, oh dear
[20:15] <madmike77_eee> kosinus: we didn't change anything with the timeout... running with a default grub-setup here
[20:15] <arand> madmike77_eee: If you want the boot menu just hold down shift on boot, I think, or esc, which I think it's going to be in the future....
[20:15] <[31d1]> timeout on mine says 10 ... but it doesnt seem to wait at all
[20:15] <kosinus> madmike77_eee: I know, but that's one of the things you can try to get to grub's menu. Grub 1 used to have a countdown during boot, but they've eliminated that.
[20:16] <gnata> i just hope the fs it ok...let's hqve q llok
[20:16] <cjwatson> no, shift is the intended behaviour
[20:16] <cjwatson> esc is old
[20:16] <BenCal> Hi all, I'm using Ubuntu Karmic. Following a system update and trying to boot with kernel 2.6.31-10 I receive this error and it stops: pci_enable_pcie_error_reporting failed - Can somebody give me advice?
[20:16] <kosinus> yeah, I could've sworn shift worked just a minute ago for me, but I guess the timing is tricky
[20:16] <cjwatson> anyway this is all dependent on whether you have other operating systems installed, and on configuration
[20:17] <cjwatson> hopefully, for karmic final, we'll have a way to detect whether the last boot failed and if so automatically show the grub menu
[20:17] <madmike77_eee> shift worked
[20:17] <cjwatson> that's actually fairly straightforward, I'm just talking with various people about the right design
[20:17] <kosinus> that would be swell. :)
[20:18]  * kosinus is quite enjoying a KMS powered console with irssi, for a change. :D
[20:18] <Cynthia> kosinus: agreed, 56 lines (for resolution 1440x900) is much better than just 25 :)
[20:20] <BluesKaj> no kernels are in the grub menu after the last update..guess the desktop install is dead
[20:21] <madmike77_eee> ok i got a terminal, and i got inet so wait for updates thx
[20:21] <torgnyj> if I boot in rescue mode and drop to a prompt it's workin
[20:22] <torgnyj> err, stupid copy paste... disgard the above...
[20:22] <torgnyj> hey! Just did an update/upgrade on my 9.10 install and now my mouse and keyboard doesn't work at the kdm login. Something that has happend to someone else?
[20:22] <Cynthia> torgnyj: me too in GNOME
[20:22] <BluesKaj> you guys are lucky , no such animal in my zoo today ..kernels are all stripped
[20:23] <torgnyj> Cynthia: nice to hear I'm not alone =)
[20:23] <Cynthia> I wasn't alone when I joined either :D
[20:23] <madmike77_eee> @torgny: that was my first ploblem, no i cant boot without boot parameter so keep attetion
[20:23] <madmike77_eee> ;)
[20:23] <torgnyj> hehe
[20:23] <Cynthia> I'm reinstalling Alpha5 right now, to check why this happens
[20:24] <BluesKaj> i guess the devs are scrambling at canonical right now ...wt* did we do ???   :)
[20:24] <torgnyj> :)
[20:24] <BenCal> @torgnyj, yes -  I think I've got a similar problem - booting hangs with pci_enable_pcie_error_reporting failed
[20:24] <madmike77_eee> this is a bad day in the history of karmic
[20:25] <Cynthia> just saw a typo in the slideshow... "keeps you compatible your friends" in the OpenOffice slide
[20:25] <cbmuser> I installed mountall now and upgraded upstart, but the machine hangs after when loading the init scripts
[20:25] <torgnyj> BenCal: hmm I haven't seen that
[20:25] <BluesKaj> well now , how many broken karmics do we have after today's updates...I'm on the laptop and I haven't updated yet so i'll wait til there's update that doesn't break this install. My desktop install is prolly kaput ..
[20:26] <cbmuser> kosinus: try to convince the Ubuntu guys to enable kms by default :)
[20:26] <Cynthia> as I expected, this bug has already been caught: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/428594
[20:26]  * bodly reminds himself not to reboot until this is all ironed out.
[20:26] <maxb> mm, right, I have rescued my karmic install by rolling back every package I recently updated and a bunch of manual fiddling with initscripts..... now to roll forward gradually again....
[20:26] <madmike77_eee> @cbmuser: press shift while booting, insert to the kernel line this: init=/bin/bash
[20:26] <kosinus> cbmuser: it is enabled by default
[20:26] <BluesKaj> Cynthia:  there's more than one
[20:26] <madmike77_eee> then remount with mount -o remount,rw /
[20:27] <madmike77_eee> and get your network driver up
[20:27] <madmike77_eee> wait for updates$
[20:27] <arand> Here gdm is broken, should one try to force in updated initscripts and upstart at this point or just wait?
[20:27] <Cynthia> arand: the last update to the repo (not alpha5 per se) broke it, just wait I think
[20:28] <DanaG> I've installed the stuff from ubuntu-boot ppa, and it boots fine for me; it just had to fsck everything first.
[20:28] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/EliteBook-karmic-20090915-1.png
[20:28] <DanaG> that's a second boot, there.  after the fsck.
[20:29] <DanaG> NOte that I added a "sleep" so it bootcharts my gnome.
[20:29] <BluesKaj> Anyone lose grub, or parts of it ?
[20:29] <arand> Yea, I saw a gdm update recently, so I'm guessing that pulled ahead of initscripts an upstart, and fell flat. Those two packages are held back for me.
[20:29] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Is it fixed yet?
[20:29] <amortvigil> ubottu: plymouth
[20:29] <amortvigil> ubottu: plymouth!
[20:29] <CydeSwype> lol
[20:29] <CydeSwype> pushy pushy
[20:30] <DanaG> ubottu: YOUR MOM!
[20:30] <amortvigil> ubottu: just tell me about plymouth!!!
[20:30] <amortvigil> `;p
[20:30] <kosinus> there is no plymouth in ubuntu?
[20:30] <amortvigil> kosinus: there would bee...
[20:30] <amortvigil> its promised :p
[20:30] <CydeSwype> the cake is a lie
[20:30] <amortvigil> they realy promissed
[20:30] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ubuntulog: Devon
[20:30] <kosinus> amortvigil: they backed away from that and now we have xsplash
[20:30] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ubottu: Devon
[20:31] <arand> amortvigil: heh like the promise of a new theme ;þ
[20:31] <amortvigil> kosinus: xsplash
[20:31] <amortvigil> whoops
[20:31] <xcdfgkjhgcv> FFS when is the mountall thingy going to be fixed?
[20:31] <kosinus> hey now, I'm not bot! :D
[20:31] <amortvigil> ubottu: xsplash
[20:31] <amortvigil> noooooo
[20:31] <kosinus> xcdfgkjhgcv: mountall is already fixed, update and upgrade
[20:31] <amortvigil> smashes keyboard into screen
[20:31] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kosinus: upstart and initscripts are still being held back.
[20:31]  * amortvigil smashes keyboard into screen
[20:32] <DanaG> hmm, how can I speed up my login?  It now takes longer to log in than it does to boot to login screen.
[20:32] <cbmuser> kosinus: I had to enable it with an entry in /etc/modprobe.d
[20:32]  * amortvigil drains the oil out of ubottu
[20:32] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kosinus: Okay. I installled mountall and upgraded upstart but initscripts is still being held back.
[20:32] <CydeSwype> ...that's not oil
[20:33] <kosinus> cbmuser: Well, it could be a driver thing. It's enabled by default for a lot of intel chips at least.
[20:33] <kosinus> xcdfgkjhgcv: Yep, we're all sitting on that one here. :)
[20:33] <amortvigil> CydeSwype: bots run on oil
[20:33] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kosinus: How do I fix it?
[20:33] <arand> Hehe: Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Neither karmic nor the buildds are in a  happy place right now, things are being sorted
[20:34] <tormod> DanaG: same here. they're breaking^Wdoing everything to get a faster boot, but then the new Gbloat steals it all
[20:34] <kosinus> xcdfgkjhgcv: there's not much to do besides wait for new packages. :)
[20:34] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kosinus: Can I start X without it?
[20:34] <ior3k> hey guys
[20:34] <cbmuser> kosinus: yeah, intel-kms is more mature
[20:34] <root> hi
[20:34] <amortvigil> im not a racist but when the bots are inhuman like this ill deny their rights!
[20:34] <CydeSwype> amortvigil: i think you pulled his mating plug
[20:34] <cbmuser> kosinus: I have an ati-board
[20:34] <Guest49254> anyone here with boot issues after latest updates?
[20:34] <amortvigil> i have an anti-bot
[20:34] <arand> ior3k: hia
[20:35] <ior3k> I just updated from archive.ubuntu.com an hour ago
[20:35] <Cynthia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/344670  looks like Alpha 5s in general are "cursed" :)
[20:35] <kosinus> xcdfgkjhgcv: if your X is broken, try holding shift while booting to get into the GRUB menu, then select the older -9 kernel.
[20:35] <ior3k> my machine doesn't boot now
[20:35] <madmike77_eee> get the packages from ubuntu-boot ppa
[20:35] <madmike77_eee> i am back in game ;)
[20:35] <sir_killbotalot> well ubottu ready for our battle?
[20:35] <CydeSwype> indus: yes, welcome to the club
[20:35] <indus> madmike77_eee: how to add those
[20:35] <kosinus> cbmuser: they are pushing for that to be on by default by karmic release, iirc.
[20:35] <[31d1]> xcdfgkjhgcv: X works without initscripts. but networking needs to be manually started and stuff
[20:35] <arand> Who has control over topic? Put something appropriate there!
[20:35] <DanaG> sudo add-apt-archive ppa:ubuntu-boot
[20:35] <sir_killbotalot> ubottu: die!
[20:35] <indus> i want to play some quake 4 ,please help :)
[20:36] <cbmuser> kosinus: ah, good
[20:36] <sir_killbotalot> ubottu: faceplant!
[20:36] <CydeSwype> can someone change the channel topic to reflect the current issues?  so as to keep from having to answer the same questions
[20:36] <sir_killbotalot> ubottu: yes
[20:36] <Pici> sir_killbotalot: Please don't abuse the bot.
[20:36] <DanaG> how do I make my gnome not so dog-slow to start?
[20:36] <xcdfgkjhgcv> FFS now my system won't even boot.
[20:36] <DanaG> oh, and my bootchart is rather garbled.
[20:36] <sir_killbotalot> Pici: its denying in being informative
[20:36] <ior3k> xcdfgkjhgcv: same here
[20:37] <Cynthia> Logouts also take around 10 seconds without doing anything, as if there was a sleep()
[20:37] <ior3k> downloading a live 9.04 image
[20:37]  * cjwatson tries to get udev built
[20:37] <sir_killbotalot> Pici: ubottu is Insubordinating
[20:37]  * CydeSwype installed a fresh 9.10 and is avoiding updates until all the holds are resolved
[20:38] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kosinus: Thanks a fucking lot for telling me to do something which made me unable to boot my machine.
[20:38] <CydeSwype> a fresh 9.10 Alpha 5 install works fine
[20:38] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kosinus: You told me to reboot into -9 kernel
[20:38] <DanaG> ugh, that bootchart is garbled, too.... overlapping text!
[20:38] <kosinus> xcdfgkjhgcv: how can that harm things? just reboot again and it should pick -10 again
[20:38] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kosinus: -10 won't boot
[20:38] <indus> neither kernelll will boot since the issue is something else
[20:38]  * superdump has returned
[20:39] <superdump> well, that's a bit better
[20:39] <CydeSwype> xcdfgkjhgcv: it's alpha man...there's no implied support for alpha releases
[20:39] <ior3k> anyone know when the latest problems are expected to be fixed?
[20:39] <[31d1]> !help
[20:39] <[31d1]> hmmm
[20:39] <superdump> other issues i currently experience: mysqld doesn't start properly
[20:39] <indus> ior3k: i heard ther are fixed with some new updates>rumours
[20:39] <indus> brb check
[20:39] <indus> exit
[20:39] <indus> quit
[20:39] <indus> how to quit this thinh
[20:39] <indus> irssi
[20:40] <kosinus> /quit
[20:40] <[31d1]>  /quit
[20:40] <sir_killbotalot> Pici: lol he puts in 1 sentence an got kicked im lolling all the time and still here
[20:40] <CydeSwype> wow...
[20:40] <xcdfgkjhgcv> So how do I make my system bootable again?
[20:40] <sir_killbotalot> xcdfgkjhgcv: reboot
[20:40] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I'll try the recovery thingy.
[20:41] <sir_killbotalot> xcdfgkjhgcv: reboot
[20:41] <CydeSwype> xcdfgkjhgcv: burn a live iso and/or reinstall alpha 5 but don't update after install until all the holds have cleared
[20:41] <xcdfgkjhgcv> CydeSwype: I can't burn a CD without my computer to burn one with.
[20:41] <indus> can anyone read that thread on the forums and tell me if some update there?
[20:42] <indus> apt-add-archive ubuntu-boot ppa
[20:42] <indus> hmm
[20:42] <CydeSwype> xcdfgkjhgcv: you don't have a friend to mooch a computer off of or the ISO that you burnt originally?
[20:42] <xcdfgkjhgcv> CydeSwype: I don't think so.
[20:42] <sir_killbotalot> xcdfgkjhgcv: put lampoil in your dvd player togeter with the live disk, light it, and restart, be carefull to pull out the current before trying, you may harm your system
[20:43] <maxb> ikonia: build*d*s
[20:43] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I'll try all my DVD RWs to see if one of them has Ubuntu on it.
[20:43] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I doubt it.
[20:43] <ikonia> ?
[20:43] <CydeSwype> ikonia: thanks!
[20:43] <indus> hi
[20:43] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ikonia: FFS I'm really bloody annoyed right now
[20:43] <indus> what was that command to add ppa
[20:44] <kosinus> xcdfgkjhgcv: If you're skilled on the console, you could also look on the wiki for instructions on setting up a bootable USB stick.
[20:44] <[31d1]> I guess you can mail in for a CD
[20:44] <indus> anyone command for adding custom ppa
[20:44] <ikonia> maxb: did I miss something
[20:45] <CydeSwype> jeez...some people.  if you're going to play with an alpha, at least do yourself the favor of having a backup computer or at least an ISO to restore with/from
[20:45] <indus> why cant i have one terminal for irssi and another for doing stuff
[20:45] <kosinus> CydeSwype: tbh, I don't either, but I take things lightly. ;)
[20:45] <[31d1]> indus i dunno, wht cant you
[20:45] <cjwatson> ikonia: buildd == build daemon a.k.a. build server; it's the buildds that are broken, not the builds
[20:45] <cjwatson> (/topic)
[20:45] <ikonia> cjwatson: ahhh tpo
[20:46] <ikonia> typo
[20:46] <ikonia> thank you
[20:46] <cjwatson> udev/i386 will be fixed shortly, may help with initscripts
[20:46] <taneli> indus: use screen?
[20:46] <indus> [31d1]: i want to stay in channel,but also try if some updates come, i dont have gui
[20:46] <cjwatson> I'm just trying to sort it out on a few other architectures too
[20:46] <cjwatson> this is tedious :-/
[20:46] <indus> cjwatson: thanks
[20:46] <indus> ikonia: also thanks
[20:46] <[31d1]> indus: yeah. screen or another console
[20:47] <indus> [31d1]: well,i cant get another console, all are dead
[20:47] <ikonia> not a problem
[20:47] <_markus__> hi
[20:47] <_markus__> I've been running karmic sine a few weeks, after I upgraded a few minutes ago, I can't boot into my system anymore (neither normal nor recover). The last lines when running recover are that it writes starting script in bottom-local and ...-local, then nothing. I can press ctrl-alt-del and it reboots. During the reboot sequence I see that the filesystem was mounted read only yet. Any ideas?
[20:47] <taneli> indus: you have /dev/pts mounted?
[20:47] <CydeSwype> _markus__ please see topic
[20:47] <[31d1]> ah, oh yeah the latest kernel only has one
[20:47] <_markus__> CydeSwype: darn :(
[20:47] <arand> _markus__: topic^ bad karma currently
[20:47] <indus> taneli: naah it asks me those questions
[20:48] <_markus__> thx
[20:48] <CydeSwype> ha...bad karma
[20:48] <indus> indus, /dev/pts mounted y/n? :)
[20:48] <indus> taneli:
[20:48] <[31d1]> screen, or even dvts
[20:48] <indus> aah so late here almost 1 am
[20:48] <_markus__> Is it foreseeable that there will be a fix for systems which don't boot anymore? Or just upraded packages which won't bring a system into an unstable state?
[20:49] <indus> 1 .20 am
[20:49] <indus> [31d1]: what is screen
[20:49] <[31d1]> it's a terminal multiplexer
[20:49] <sparr> I did "dpkg -i" on a package that can't be installed because one of it's dependencies doesn't exist.  How can I resolve the situation so that I can install other packages normally?
[20:49] <maco> or tmux!
[20:49] <CydeSwype> _markus__ when i was stuck before i re-installed, i was still able to get to a root prompt with networking by way of recovery mode from grub
[20:50] <maco> (another terminal multiplexor)
[20:50] <CydeSwype> try that, and if you can get there, then you should be able to apt-get update/upgrade once the fix is in
[20:50] <[31d1]> you run screen, and then you can create new screens in it with ^-A c and switch between them with ^-a 1/2/3 etc
[20:50] <indus> i got atleast 10 diff errors after this update, first acpi,then apt error, some winbind error,networking went dead,enabling keymap and hung etc etc :)
[20:50] <_markus__> CydeSwype: I tried that, the recover mode doesn't give me a shell either ...
[20:50] <[31d1]> dvtm is more like a window manager for terminals
[20:51] <CydeSwype> _markus__ maybe a good idea to start burning the Alpha 5 ISO just in case
[20:51] <indus> [31d1]: i have to install screen, apt-get scren?
[20:51] <[31d1]> yeah
[20:51] <CydeSwype> you can recover files from the live iso
[20:51] <[31d1]> and then take a look at the man page before you run it
[20:51] <[31d1]> because it's not the most intuitive program ever
[20:51] <[31d1]> i think RMS wrote it, so ymmv
[20:51]  * indus thinks a smoke is fine now
[20:52] <arand> Seems like mountall package is not available, stopping upgrade of upstart, and udev, rsyslog, upstart, stopping upgrade of initscripts... And I guess recently upgraded gdm wanted those upgrades...
[20:52] <[31d1]> mountall is in apt now
[20:52] <_markus__> CydeSwype: right .. if I just knew what would have to be fixed ... well, thx anyway
[20:52] <indus> [31d1]: hmm
[20:52] <arand> As for the kernel bork, I dunno
[20:52] <kosinus> Hooray, reboot brought my music back. That's all I need to sit through this. :)
[20:52] <indus> aplha 6 is 1 day from now i believe?
[20:53] <CydeSwype> indus: correct
[20:53] <indus> or effectively those who use karmic already are or will be onb it today?
[20:53] <nOStahl> well i got back into karmic
[20:53] <BluesKaj> the kernels all disappeared from grub ..anybody else ?
[20:53] <indus> nOStahl: u did?
[20:53] <CydeSwype> is it just me, or is the whole bulletproof X concept starting over...
[20:53] <[31d1]> indus: screen is the bees knees though - well worth knowing how to use
[20:53] <cjwatson> working on udev/rsyslog
[20:54] <indus> [31d1]: thanks, i shall try it sure
[20:54] <cjwatson> I think upstart is actually ok, it's just taken out by other things
[20:54] <[31d1]> you can run stuff under screen and detach and logout and it will be there when you come back
[20:54] <[31d1]> great for being on irc all day :)
[20:54] <indus> is it ok to not understand much about udev and rsys and still stay in this channel: )
[20:54] <cjwatson> [31d1]: RMS didn't write screen
[20:54]  * _markus__ will boot into 9.04 from cd then ..
[20:55] <nOStahl> im fully upgraded now and everythings workin
[20:55] <indus> ok thanks all i go try it
[20:55] <[31d1]> cjwatson: fair enough, for some reason i thought i saw he did
[20:55] <cjwatson> nah, you can tell because it isn't GNU screen. :-)
[20:55] <cjwatson> err
[20:55] <[31d1]> i thought it was
[20:55] <cjwatson> hmm, apparently it is. :-) But nevertheless, the manual page doesn't indicate that RMS wrote it originally
[20:56] <[31d1]> hahah
[20:56] <BluesKaj> how does one retrieve files from a broken install using the live cd ?
[20:56] <cjwatson> Oliver Laumann and Wayne Davison originally, apparently
[20:56] <[31d1]> yeah wikipedia to the rescue :)
[20:57] <[31d1]> just went and looked meself
[20:57] <root> hi
[20:57] <root> wow root
[20:57] <kosinus> haha
[20:57] <kosinus> bad plan there
[20:57] <[31d1]> you got root
[20:57] <indus> i know :D
[20:57] <indus> ok myproblem is, apt is broken it seems,
[20:57] <bodly> BluesKaj: mount the filesystems you need, get networking up, copy files to another machine.
[20:57] <indus> some dpkg error socket dbus etc
[20:58] <indus> one packge initscripts held back it says too
[20:58] <CydeSwype> yeah, same here indus
[20:58] <indus> CydeSwype: so u too on irssi, or windows:)
[20:58] <[31d1]> same here, but X should be working again
[20:58] <CydeSwype> oh, neither, i reinstalled Alpha 5
[20:59] <BluesKaj> bodly , yeah makes sense
[20:59] <CydeSwype> the new install screens look great!
[20:59] <indus> [31d1]: x should ? how come
[20:59] <[31d1]> once i got upstart upgraded, i still have initscripts held back, but X works
[20:59] <indus> [31d1]: hmm not for me i believe
[20:59] <CydeSwype> though i noticed there's a screen touting pidgin as being the messenger for ubuntu...thought we were moving to empathy
[20:59] <[31d1]> :(
[20:59] <scizzo-> missing dependencies?
[21:00] <indus> also, apt wont upgrade so i used aptitude to upgrade
[21:00] <cjwatson> indus: yes, working on it
[21:00] <[31d1]> indus: do you have the bootsplash turned off so you can tell where booting gets weird?
[21:00] <indus> cjwatson: take your time , sir :)
[21:01] <cjwatson> hell no, I'm going as fast as I can
[21:01] <indus> [31d1]: well, i press alt-f1 to see,but hangs on many differnet things
[21:01] <[31d1]> ah, ok
[21:01] <indus> cjwatson: ok too
[21:01] <cjwatson> too many problems to leave around for longer than necessary
[21:01] <indus> cjwatson: colin j watson correct?
[21:01] <cjwatson> (BTW I'm just being build-monkey, not actually fixing the bugs)
[21:01] <cjwatson> indus: yes
[21:01] <ior3k> so the boot problems aren't fixed yet?
[21:02] <cjwatson> not quite
[21:02] <natewiebe13> so i take it by the title that the boot ending black is a common problem?
[21:02] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: indeed, we're working on it as fast as we can
[21:02] <natewiebe13> okay.. any ideas as to the problem?
[21:02] <indus> my problem is, getting this root shell was also only after a few reboots
[21:02] <CydeSwype> i hope someday i can be a build monkey...or something more than an irc lurker
[21:02] <indus> so dont want to go  check again
[21:02] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: yes, a bunch of builds happened rather seriously out of order such that we ended up unable to build anything further to fix it, and had to recover manually
[21:03] <madmike77_eee> natewiebe13: do use the ubuntu-boot ppa yet?
[21:03] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: we just landed a major reorganisation of the boot process ...
[21:03] <cjwatson> I wouldn't use the PPA
[21:03] <cjwatson> not at this point
[21:03] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/EliteBook-karmic-20090915-1.png   -- Gnome is a slowpoke.
[21:03] <madmike77_eee> cjwatson: k
[21:03]  * genii thinks about rebooting now after the recent dist-upgrade and starts sweating!
[21:03] <indus> guys i have a very serious question,when exactly does the ppa stuff trickle into ubuntu normal repo
[21:03] <natewiebe13> cjwatson: i noticed.. usplash now fades in and out.. looks great
[21:04] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: oh, that was the least of it, that was just cosmetic ;)
[21:04] <cjwatson> indus: when the developer is ready
[21:04] <natewiebe13> looks good no matter what
[21:04] <natewiebe13> im running off the jaunty livecd for now
[21:05] <indus> cjwatson: i mean, why does dev add to ppa,in an alpha of ubuntu,shouldnt we be just getting cutting edge through non PPA( I mean regular repos)
[21:05] <cjwatson> indus: take the confusion in this channel today, and imagine it spread out over a period of weeks or even months
[21:05] <hype_> indus , because ubuntu has a release schedule? :D
[21:05] <scizzo-> indus: he did mention also to not use PPA
[21:06] <cjwatson> indus: we can't afford that level of disruption; while this wasn't the smoothest landing ever, it hasn't taken weeks out of everyone else's ability to work
[21:06] <cjwatson> the PPA was a staging area
[21:06] <kosinus> most projects, even in the development branch, have a policy like that to keep it in a working or at least buildable state.
[21:06] <cjwatson> right
[21:06] <indus> hype_: no u dont get the question,hmm for example, i had pulseaudio brekage and now i use ppa instead of regular stuff, i dont know now whether i remove the ppa and update from normal repos
[21:07] <hype_> PPA is still good for testing; ultimatly, the version of the PPA you use will be in the next release
[21:07] <cjwatson> if you want to know how a PPA behaves or is intended to behave, ask its owner
[21:07] <diverse_izzue> hey everyone. do other people have karmic installations that dont boot because of an unfinished upstart upgrade?
[21:07] <hype_> indus , yes you know: check insynaptic by exemple
[21:07] <cjwatson> diverse_izzue: yep, lots - we're working on it
[21:07] <hype_> you get the version, and the source of the package
[21:07] <indus> ok nvm thanks, bakc to main topic
[21:07] <scizzo-> diverse_izzue: read the topic
[21:08] <dk> the bug with upstart is fixex?
[21:08] <indus> i was wondering, apt seems broken, do is it possible to update ?
[21:08] <dk> fixed ?
[21:08] <cjwatson> dk: not quite
[21:08] <cjwatson> indus: not yet
[21:08] <[31d1]> DanaG: no idea what you mean http://lrrr.us/boot.png :P
[21:08] <cjwatson> I'm running the publisher now with new versions of udev and rsyslog, which *may* clear up some more of the problems
[21:08] <DanaG> That doesn't include the Gnome login.
[21:08] <MarkG> I heard that Karmic will ditch ARM support, which I find odd, as it's only just started.  Anyone know an official word on this?
[21:08] <cjwatson> but it's hard to say for sure
[21:09] <BluesKaj> so what's the excuse for this mess , are the devs all hiding out from this room . I know they're busy trying to fix the probs, but someone could take some responsibility and tell us plebes what is happening and give us a time line
[21:09] <cjwatson> MarkG: sounds like a garbled report
[21:09] <indus> cjwatson: apt gives some dbus error, though it does seem to scan all the repos,does it mean the fix can be downloaded via upgrades?
[21:09] <cjwatson> BluesKaj: hiding out? I'm a developer and have been here for some hours telling people what's happening
[21:09] <hype_> BluesKaj , use a stable release and to whine pls, thx
[21:09] <cjwatson> MarkG: we're dropping ARMv5 support, but ARMv7 will be supported
[21:09] <[31d1]> DanaG: how do i make bootchart include it?
[21:09] <hype_> s/to/dont
[21:09] <cbmuser> my init hangs at init-bottom now
[21:09] <DanaG> [ -x /lib/bootchart/collector ] || exit 0
[21:09] <DanaG> #sleep 45
[21:09] <cbmuser> like here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/398214
[21:09] <indus> who knows whats winbind
[21:09] <DanaG> that's /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart
[21:09] <MarkG> dang, armv5 is what I use :-(
[21:10] <CydeSwype> BluesKaj: i don't know that irc is the best forum for that.  there SHOULD be a twitter account or blog post or something though advising as to status
[21:10] <DanaG> I added it, but have commented it for next boot.
[21:10] <knittl> any news on the initscripts/upstart issue?
[21:10] <MarkG> any reason why?
[21:10] <natewiebe13> indus: for apt, boot into recovery mode and do a root terminal with networking
[21:10] <cjwatson> MarkG: I can't speak to the reasons; #ubuntu-arm might be a better place to ask
[21:10] <natewiebe13> it works for me to apt-get update
[21:10] <kosinus> indus: winbind is a samba service for netbios name lookups.
[21:10] <cjwatson> knittl: progressing slowly, the turnaround time is longer than I'd like
[21:10] <cjwatson> knittl: udev and rsyslog are publishing now which *may* clear up some problems
[21:10] <indus> kosinus: thank you, saw that name during the boot hang ups
[21:10] <tobixen> anyone has any information about the X breakage?  It seems like it broke quite recently
[21:11] <galtom> :)
[21:11] <hype_> i used "sudo start network-manger" to get a connection, using upstart language :)
[21:11] <BluesKaj> cjwatson:  good , at least yoiu ID'd yourself after I asked ..it's good to have some feedback about this mess tho.
[21:11] <scizzo-> tobixen: read the topic.....X should be fixed now though
[21:11] <[31d1]> DanaG: oh, you just made it sleep for another 45 seconds?
[21:11] <cjwatson> BluesKaj: I identified myself several times beforehand as well - you made an unjustified assumption :-)
[21:11] <knittl> cjwatson: i have no problem waiting, i just wanted to ask for the status :)
[21:11] <DanaG> yeah.
[21:11] <SKB> why might nautilus keep resorting desktop icons on every (re)start?
[21:11] <[31d1]> cool, good to know
[21:11] <BluesKaj> CydeSwype:  twitters for twits...don't have time for that
[21:11] <indus> cjwatson: hi, my question ... apt givessome dbus error,it doesnt mean its broken is it?
[21:11] <dutchie> it b0rked :(
[21:12] <dutchie> how can I fix X?
[21:12] <indus> dutchie: patience, its being worked on
[21:12] <dutchie> just wait for fixes?
[21:12] <tobixen> dutchie: read topic ;)
[21:12] <cjwatson> indus: that certainly sounds like it's broken
[21:12] <indus> cjwatson: damn !
[21:12] <dutchie> ah, of course
[21:12] <cjwatson> indus: I don't know about the specifics, I'm just trying to get builds back in order
[21:12] <cjwatson> we'll have more of an idea once we get everything built
[21:12] <scizzo-> dutchie: topic
[21:12] <BluesKaj> cjwatson: i just got here some 30 mins ago...din't see anything about it
[21:13] <cjwatson> BluesKaj: well, sorry that I didn't let you know personally ;-)
[21:13] <DanaG> yay, difftopic.
[21:13] <indus> cjwatson: subprocess returned error code, i try aptitude and then it got worse, got a root@none prompt
[21:13] <DanaG> handy plugin.
[21:13] <CydeSwype> BluesKaj: twitter, facebook, whatever.  the point is that the status of Karmic should be broadcast somewhere that anyone who cares to monitor it can.  irc is a forum for discussion, not broadcast, so is not as appropriate for "subscribing" to status updates
[21:13] <scizzo-> BluesKaj: give cjwatson a break
[21:13] <cjwatson> indus: trying to upgrade right now is a REALLY BAD PLAN. don't
[21:13] <indus> cjwatson: ok then i try tomorrow but np,i have windows :)
[21:13] <scizzo-> BluesKaj: the more you start arguing with a developer the longer time it will take for them to fix things....
[21:14] <indus> cjwatson: so basically, some builds have messed up ?
[21:14] <guntbert> <rant mode> hey people, you are using alpha software knowing that it can/will break things - the purpose should be to help testing - so what are you complaining about??? </rant mode>
[21:14] <cjwatson> indus: that's about the most simplified possible version of events :-), but yes
[21:14] <scizzo-> BluesKaj: all the arguing is a reason to why developers does not use IRC....
[21:14] <tobixen> CydeSwype: Twitter and facebook has so many dependencies ... X should work, firefox has to work, etc ;)
[21:15] <scizzo-> tobixen: not really
[21:15] <indus> cjwatson: build is a package(software) which is being built from source and then uploaded to the repos is this better?
[21:15] <BluesKaj>  scizzo- , are you a dev , and I'm not arguing ,..I complained , that's all
[21:15] <CydeSwype> tobixen: haha, good point, but I assume that many people have a cell phone they can get alerts on too even if their computer is fully hosed
[21:15] <scizzo-> tobixen: you could use links2
[21:15] <tobixen> scizzo-: point taken, w3m is my favorite non-X browser.
[21:15] <CydeSwype> guntbert: here here!
[21:15] <arand> What I do currently is lurk in the dev channel (note _lurk_) Thats pretty much the best for steady updates I figure.
[21:16] <scizzo-> BluesKaj: my point exactly.....
[21:16] <scizzo-> BluesKaj: I am not a dev.....if I was I would have said the exact same thing as I did before....
[21:16] <BluesKaj> anyway .I'm not doing any updates on this laptop
[21:17] <BluesKaj> scizzo-:  so.. ?
[21:17] <durt> any advice on how to get a prompt after the /scripts/init-bottom hang?
[21:18] <indus> cjwatson: it would be nice if possible to know, the process of building  a package (i mean a little steps as to what you are currently doing/fixing ) , whenever u have the time ;)
[21:18] <CydeSwype> durt, i was still able to boot to prompt by selecting recovery mode from grub
[21:19] <CydeSwype> arand, yeah that is the best way right now, but so much noise to dig through
[21:19] <cjwatson> indus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive perhaps
[21:19] <indus> cjwatson: no browser ;|
[21:19] <durt> CydeSwype, hmmm, I get the same from regular or recovery selection.
[21:19] <[31d1]> when my boot was hanging i was able to get to another virtual terminal and get enough to fix things, but i used the old kernel - the new one seems to only have 1
[21:19] <indus> cjwatson: i read it some time
[21:19] <CydeSwype> durt: recovery should present you with a few options (like 6?) one of which is root prompt with networking
[21:20] <cbmuser> aha, updating upstart, rsyslog, udev and installing mountall fixes all the boot problems ;)
[21:20] <durt> CydeSwype, didn't see that, I'll take another look...
[21:20] <indus> CydeSwype: it doesnt present me with that options always
[21:20] <CydeSwype> cbmuser, does that mean the holds are off?
[21:21] <cjwatson> cbmuser: um. the versions of udev and rsyslog that initscripts doesn't declare Breaks on are still publishing
[21:21] <CydeSwype> indus, odd...i get it every time, on that last kernel option
[21:21] <oly_> i hit the same problem, rescue mode hangs as well
[21:21] <oly_> never gets to the options
[21:21] <nOStahl> hrmm evolution wont let me setup a new account
[21:21] <indus> CydeSwype: yeah super odd
[21:21] <[31d1]> cjwatson: is hostname one of the things that is getting fixed up?
[21:21] <cjwatson> cbmuser: I know because I have the terminal window with the publisher process right here in front of me :)
[21:21] <cbmuser> CydeSwype: I downloaded the packages and installed manually
[21:21] <oly_> and not found a way to break out of the process
[21:21] <arand> CydeSwype: true, (micro)blogging would give a better filter, bu then again, someone, who knows what's going on (i.e. could possibly be working on the problem), would have to write the posts...
[21:21] <cbmuser> I have udev 147
[21:21] <tankdriver1> durt:boot with livecd and use chroot
[21:21] <cjwatson> [31d1]: AFAICS hostname is actually OK. What architecture?
[21:21] <tankdriver1> nOStahl: this bug is known already
[21:21] <slacker_nl> loads of breakage today.. :/
[21:22] <CydeSwype> arand, it's either writing posts on twitter or posting in here.  roughly same time commit
[21:22] <[31d1]> 64 bit - initscripts is complaining about hostname and rsyslog only
[21:22] <[31d1]> ^ cjwatson
[21:22] <cjwatson> ah, bah, amd64 will take a little while longer to fix
[21:22] <durt> tankdriver1, I was thinking that, but I'll have to look it all up, and I'm lazy :)
[21:22] <cjwatson> sorry, hostname was fine on i386 so I didn't notice that
[21:22] <arand> CydeSwype: point.
[21:22] <indus> cjwatson: nooooooooooooooo ;)
[21:23] <ior3k_> I just chrooted from a live 9.04
[21:23] <ior3k_> but running aptitude update fails
[21:23] <[31d1]> cjwatson: i'm in no hurry - just hadn't noticed anyone saying anything about it. as long as someone knows about it im happy
[21:23] <tankdriver1> durt: only 5 lines in bash, and you have your shell
[21:23] <durt> tankdriver1, ya, breaking out the cds now...
[21:23] <ior3k_> with FATAL Could not set non-blocking flag - bad file descriptor
[21:23] <cbmuser> these versions work for me:
[21:23] <cbmuser> ii  mountall                       0.1.3                          filesystem mounting tool
[21:23] <cbmuser> ii  rsyslog                        4.2.0-2ubuntu3                 enhanced multi-threaded syslogd
[21:23] <cbmuser> ii  udev                           147~-1                         rule-based device node and kernel event manager
[21:24] <cbmuser> ii  upstart                        0.6.3-2                        event-based init daemon
[21:24] <cjwatson> [31d1]: I didn't know and I'm the one who needed to know, thanks for mentioning it
[21:24] <[31d1]> cjwatson: excellent!
[21:24] <arand> ior3k_: don't try tto upgrade yet, I don't think things are fixed.
[21:24] <indus> [31d1]: about what? say it again please
[21:25] <cjwatson> cbmuser: that's probably architecture-specific; most architectures do not have udev 147~-1 yet; amd64 is lucky
[21:25] <cjwatson> cbmuser: actually, I've no idea where you got rsyslog 4.2.0-2ubuntu3 :)
[21:25] <cjwatson> cbmuser: did you download that directly from Launchpad?
[21:25] <[31d1]> indus: i just mentioned to him that initscripts is complaining about hostname on x64, and i said excellent cause he said he was the one that needed to know that
[21:26] <cbmuser> cjwatson: yes, from launchpad
[21:26] <indus> [31d1]: u mean amd 64?
[21:26] <[31d1]> yeah
[21:26] <cjwatson> cbmuser: right - probably not quite suitable for most people to take the brakes off just yet :)
[21:26] <indus> [31d1]: iam on amd64 too
[21:26] <[31d1]> whatever the cool way to say 64 bit is
[21:26] <cjwatson> cbmuser: builds are available from the Launchpad web UI some time before they're available via apt
[21:27] <tankdriver1> durt: here is a short description: http://paste.ubuntu.com/271693/plain/
[21:27] <cbmuser> cjwatson: yes, I have realized that
[21:28] <durt> tankdriver1, thx
[21:30] <henrik__> is only amd64 broken now?
[21:31] <indus> [31d1]: hmm about hostname? didnt see that
[21:31] <indus> [31d1]: lost internet though and had to manually start it
[21:31] <indus> dhclient etho
[21:32] <cjwatson> henrik__: I'm not willing to say that i386 is fixed yet; it may still take some time
[21:32] <nOStahl> anyone know what to do about this evolution thing not letting me create an account
[21:32] <indus> would love to stay more but have to sleep , tomorrow work :)
[21:32] <cjwatson> there are certainly still going to be some problems
[21:32] <cjwatson> possibly even fatal ones
[21:32] <[31d1]> yeah, networking doesnt come up without initscripts I think. possib;y the same about dbus
[21:32] <indus> bye folks, good lucks
[21:32] <indus> good nights even
[21:33] <[31d1]> im way in the past, it's not even time for beer yet
[21:33] <henrik__> cjwatson: I'm on amd64 anyway. I have just been away and trying to catch up with the developments
[21:34] <BluesKaj> cjwatson: so how do I restore the kernel to my install that was stripped out upon reboot after the update. I have the live cd available .
[21:34] <cjwatson> BluesKaj: sorry, right now I don't know and I'm concentrating on getting the general upgrade fixes done and propagated
[21:35] <BluesKaj> ok, cjwatson, good luck :)
[21:37] <natewiebe13> cjwatson: any rough idea as to when karmic will be back up, or a way to find out when it will be back up?
[21:38] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: I'm not planning on finishing up today until the builds are roughly back in sync, and it's currently 9:40pm for me. That may give you some idea
[21:38] <cjwatson> I suppose we'll adjust channel topics or something once things are sane
[21:38] <David-T> karmic isn't in a working state?
[21:38] <natewiebe13> okay.. would it be fixed for alpha 6?
[21:39] <natewiebe13> David-T: not for me it isnt..
[21:39] <arand> David-T: not if you run/ran latest upgrades seemingly.
[21:39] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: we can't release alpha 6 without it being fixed
[21:39] <David-T> i seem to be running the latest upgrades
[21:39] <David-T> I guess i won't reboot
[21:39] <cjwatson> I wouldn't :)
[21:39] <arand> David-T: Yea, that's a good idea ;)
[21:40] <natewiebe13> cjwatson: yeah.. but i meant would it be fixed by thurs?
[21:41] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: I certainly hope so!
[21:41] <cjwatson> we're in trouble if we can't manage that :)
[21:41] <natewiebe13> alright.. great
[21:41] <nOStahl> hey cjwatson if you see the dev for gnome-bluetooth around the water cooler tell him to change line 393 of the wizard script so you can pair headsets heh
[21:41] <cjwatson> I'm not even sure I know offhand who does gnome-bluetooth - please file a bug if there isn't one already
[21:42] <nOStahl> its filed already
[21:42] <nOStahl> just ... if you see him around water cooler :P
[21:42] <cjwatson> I don't have a magic pipeline to speed that along
[21:42] <natewiebe13> cjwatson: also, do you know if there will be a gconf key added to change the xsplash background.. or will i have to continue changing the scripts?
[21:42] <nOStahl> i know
[21:42] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: don't know about xsplash, sorry
[21:42] <[31d1]> i filed a gnome-bluetooth bug today too!
[21:42] <[31d1]> bugbuddies!
[21:42] <CydeSwype> i just grabbed ubuntuPlusOne on twitter.  will post updates to that as i see them come across IRC
[21:42] <CydeSwype> https://twitter.com/UbuntuPlus1
[21:43] <[31d1]> "trending hashtags: #karmicfail" :P
[21:43] <CydeSwype> haha
[21:43] <natewiebe13> cjwatson: any idea as to who would know about that?
[21:43] <natewiebe13> ken vandine maybe?
[21:44] <cjwatson> natewiebe13: I don't know, personally I'd file a bug if I wanted to know :)
[21:44] <natewiebe13> alright.. thanks
[21:48] <henrik__> ls
[21:48] <henrik__> oops :-p
[21:51] <David-T> "This computer needs restarting to finish installing update.".... how about no? :)
[21:52] <natewiebe13> good choice [thumbs up]
[21:52] <trebtnug> not all is bad - I'm talking on a freshly upgraded, freshly rebooted amd64 karmic :-)
[21:52] <David-T> really
[21:53] <cjwatson> i386 is a *bit* happier (at least upgrades cleanly, may still not reboot cleanly), but amd64 is likely to still have upgrade problems
[21:53] <[31d1]> new rsyslog is in apt now
[21:53] <[31d1]> for amd64
[21:53] <[31d1]> only hostname is preventing initscripts
[21:54] <guntbert> believe trebtnug  - he is me :-), no serious: I tried it "just for fun" with a VM and I only had to start network-manager manually
[21:54] <cjwatson> [31d1]: indeed
[21:54] <cjwatson> it's publishing n ow
[21:54] <cjwatson> now
[21:55] <[31d1]> sweet
[21:58] <test34> glad to see this in the topic
[21:59] <ior3k_> before the boot broke, anyone else was having trouble starting up X?
[22:00] <test34> Can I do the next update without using a live CD
[22:00] <test34> ior3k, there was some problems with the nvidia driver before that problem
[22:00] <natewiebe13> test34: i was using the 190 drivers and had no issues before the boot problem
[22:01] <test34> natewiebe13, well many people did
[22:01] <ior3k_> natewiebe13: are the 190 drivers in a ppa?
[22:01] <galtom> hi
[22:01] <natewiebe13> i got them from ppa
[22:02] <natewiebe13> i think they were from launchpad.net/~thefirstm
[22:02] <natewiebe13> im on a livecd right now so im not too sure
[22:03] <ior3k_> natewiebe13: haha, that makes 2 of us
[22:03] <test34> ior3k, you can also just edit you /etc/X11/xorg.conf and use the "nv" driver instead of the "nvidia" (but 3d acceleration will stop working)
[22:03] <ior3k_> test34: nv doesn't work for me either
[22:03] <test34> oh, it did for me
[22:04] <ior3k_> nope, I just get a blank scree
[22:04] <ior3k_> the weird thing is that there is no error anywhere
[22:04] <ior3k_> this happens either using gdm or startx
[22:04] <ior3k_> however, if I do xinit gnome-session
[22:04] <ior3k_> it works, sort of
[22:04] <henrik__> yep, X is broken here too, nvidia, nv, vesa.. they start up but dump to terminal after the desktop is up
[22:04] <[31d1]> don't you have to do something else these days to get your xorg.conf even read?
[22:05] <hype_> ah, rsyslog update
[22:05] <test34> ior3k, that might be because of the new problem?
[22:05] <Cynthia> [/topic] So I see. Startup of the newest Karmic switches to vt1 (empty), then you have to use Ctrl+Alt+F7 to continue startup; the bottom Gnome Panel is transparent
[22:06] <ior3k_> test34: I got it before the upstart update
[22:06] <ior3k_> spend the entire day on console emacs :)
[22:06] <ior3k_> spent*
[22:07] <henrik__> was it mentioned that hostname is being published?
[22:07] <henrik__> is it up anywhere yet?
[22:07] <hype_> the rsyslog update fixes the issue?
[22:08] <test34> there seem to be a solution at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1267183&page=3
[22:08] <test34> (a temporary solution)
[22:08] <henrik__> test34: are there many steps, or could it be condensed for the channel? I'm limited to one VT here.. :)
[22:09] <test34> sudo start dbus
[22:09] <test34> sudo start hal
[22:09] <test34> sudo start network-manager
[22:09] <test34> sudo start gdm
[22:09] <test34> sorry I should a used 1 line
[22:10] <test34> I didnt try this, but someone said it works: sudo start dbus ; sudo start hal ; sudo start network-manager ; sudo start gdm
[22:10] <natewiebe13> someone should test it out
[22:10] <henrik__> test34: heh, start doesn't seem to work for me, had to use /etc/init.d/...
[22:11] <test34> he started in recovery mode, then resumed and logged in in tty1
[22:11] <henrik__> but thanks, it works now
[22:11] <ior3k_> resumed?
[22:11] <ior3k_> I can't do anything in recovery mode either
[22:11] <ior3k_> it just sits there
[22:12] <Cynthia> for p in dbus hal network-manager gdm; do sudo /etc/init.d/$p start; done
[22:12] <Cynthia> :)
[22:12] <test34> I'm not sure what he means by resumed
[22:12] <natewiebe13> resume - resumes normal boot
[22:12] <ior3k_> right, but how? It blocks the same way it blocks in normal mode
[22:12] <natewiebe13> think its the top option on the recovery screen
[22:13] <natewiebe13> i get to tty1 after i did an upgrade
[22:14] <ior3k_> heh, to top it all off, I'm on the alpha5 live cd, chrooted to my boot drive and aptitude update doesn't work
[22:14] <ior3k_> fails with a bad file descriptor
[22:14] <tormod> ior3k_: did you bind-mount /proc and /dev
[22:15] <natewiebe13> i went into recovery mode.. a root term with networking and did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and worked just fine
[22:15] <ior3k_> tormod: I don't know bind-mount, do you mind explaining?
[22:16] <diverse_izzue> ior3k_: can you explain how you 'chroot to my boot drive and aptitude there'?
[22:16] <tormod> ior3k_: sudo mount -o bind /proc /media/karmic/proc
[22:16] <tormod> ior3k_: sudo mount -o bind /dev /media/karmic/dev/
[22:16] <droid2> So... I did updates and now my system is broken. I take it this is a known issue?
[22:16] <ior3k_> ahh, let me try that
[22:16] <ior3k_> diverse_izzue:
[22:17] <tormod> ior3k_: sudo cp  /etc/resolv.conf /media/karmic/etc/resolv.conf
[22:17] <wastrel> fancy. i am not going to update tonight eh :]  yay
[22:17] <ior3k_> just do chroot /media/[drive-uuid]
[22:17] <tormod> sudo chroot /media/karmic apt-get update  (and upgrade)
[22:18] <droid2> can someone help me repair my system? internet doesn't even seem to be working anymore... or keyboard, or mouse...
[22:19] <Smeuuh> ok, I installed the latest alpha this morning, and I'm trying to make sense of the new notification API. It seems the latest version ignores the append hint (or indeed replace the notifications instead of appending them), I'm trying https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDevelopmentGuidelines?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=append-hint-example.py
[22:19] <ior3k_> w00t! tormod, I owe you a beer
[22:19] <Smeuuh> is it expected or did my installation go wrong ?
[22:19] <edgy> Hi, with the latest updates, I lost the network connection, no knetworkmanager icon, what can  I do please?
[22:20] <tormod> plus the workaround for https://launchpad.net/bugs/430224
[22:20] <edgy> is it only me?
[22:20] <droid2> edgy, seems related to the same issue I am having. only I also have no mouse and keyboard either.
[22:21] <tormod> edgy: everybody. read the log
[22:21] <edgy> tormod: you mean /var/log/messages?
[22:21] <Cynthia> use the ubuntu-boot PPA from Launchpad
[22:21] <droid2> log?
[22:21] <tormod> no the irc log :)
[22:21] <DasEi> edgy: which distro ? edgy ??
[22:22] <edgy> DasEi: karmic
[22:22] <droid2> i saw that karmic was broken, was there more info somewhere?
[22:22] <Cynthia> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys  09827771
[22:22] <DasEi> edgy: no idea, just set up a vm, gonna try..
[22:22] <diverse_izzue> ior3k_: i get the 'bad file descriptor' thing you mentioned above. what to do about that?
[22:22] <Cynthia> sudo echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-boot/ppa/ubuntu karmic main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:23] <dutchie> Cynthia: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-boot
[22:23] <Cynthia> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade # then you should be OK
[22:23] <ior3k_> diverse_izzue: check tormod's instructions. I'll paste them here
[22:23] <Cynthia> dutchie: add-apt-<tab> shows nothing here
[22:23] <ior3k_> [21:16] <tormod> ior3k_: sudo mount -o bind /proc /media/karmic/proc [21:16] <tormod> ior3k_: sudo mount -o bind /dev /media/karmic/dev/
[22:23] <ior3k_> [21:17] <tormod> ior3k_: sudo cp  /etc/resolv.conf /media/karmic/etc/resolv.conf
[22:23] <Cynthia> I tried that, I think someone told me to do sudo add-apt-archive though
[22:23] <droid2> tormod, how can I read the log?
[22:23] <dutchie> Cynthia: it's karmic only, I assumed, as this was #ubuntu+1 ..
[22:24] <tormod> droid2: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[22:24] <Cynthia> dutchie: yes, I'm in Karmic
[22:24] <ior3k_> diverse_izzue: replace karmic with the uuid of your drive, or make a symlink
[22:24] <dutchie> comes from python-software-properties
[22:24] <Cynthia> I ended up looking for "how to use PPA in Apt" on Google and using that guide
[22:24] <droid2> tormod, for what day?
[22:25] <dutchie> Cynthia: whc
[22:25] <ior3k_> looks like all dependency issues
[22:25] <diverse_izzue> ior3k_: so i mount proc and dev manually, and then do the apt-get update from chroot as before?
[22:25] <dutchie> Cynthia: which is depended on (eventually) by ubuntu-desktop
[22:25] <tormod> droid2: for right now :)
[22:25] <ior3k_> diverse_izzue: yes, don't forget to copy resolv.conf too
[22:25] <droid2> tormod, thank. =)
[22:26] <Cynthia> dutchie: oh. it's indeed -repository, someone definitely gave me -archive to run earlier
[22:26] <Cynthia> thanks
[22:26] <CydeSwype> woohoo!  partial upgrade time.  *crossing fingers*
[22:27] <CydeSwype> time for a topic change in the channel yet?
[22:27] <ior3k_> CydeSwype: looks like all dependency issues have been resolved
[22:27] <ior3k_> CydeSwype: but I'm not brave enough to reboot yet :)
[22:28] <CydeSwype> ior3k_: i'll take the plunge!
[22:28] <cjwatson> upgrades should work now or soon, but rebooting isn't all that wise yet
[22:28] <test34> I just did the upgrade and now rebooting
[22:28] <galtom> upgraded, rebooted, and working.
[22:28] <cjwatson> some people may be lucky
[22:28] <CydeSwype> 457 packages to update from alpha 5...this may take some time
[22:28] <galtom> :9
[22:28] <cjwatson> if you need your computer, if I were you, I'd leave it running
[22:29] <ior3k_> cjwatson: is there more work to do?
[22:29] <test34> cjwatson, I just cross my fingers
[22:29] <genii> cjwatson: Crap. Because I'm at work 1/2 hr past quitting time afraid to shut off my laptop and go anywhere now.
[22:29] <Dai> genii: no suspend?
[22:29] <test34> woohoo seem to work!
[22:29] <cjwatson> ior3k_: yes
[22:29] <genii> Dai: Conceivably I could. if it isn't on the break-list
[22:29] <cjwatson> suspend should be ok
[22:30] <test34> I followed tormod's instruction to upgrade from live CD
[22:30] <galtom> Thanks you.
[22:30] <genii> Well, here goes nothing then.
[22:31] <ior3k_> cjwatson: do you have time (and inclination) for a brief explanation of what's missing?
[22:31] <cjwatson> ior3k_: not really, sorry
[22:32] <ior3k_> cjwatson: understandable
[22:32] <cjwatson> ior3k_: not least because I don't actually know the full details myself, I merely know that there are a number of boot-relevant things that haven't built yet
[22:33] <ior3k_> cjwatson: oh, well, good luck then
[22:33] <tormod> LOOK HERE: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrootRecovery (sorry for shouting)
[22:33] <tormod> and please correct/fix it up if needed
[22:34] <test34_> tormod, the only error I got using this method is that it can't save the log files
[22:34] <test34_> to /dev/pts I think
[22:35] <tormod> test34_: yes I saw that too, nothing important
[22:35] <test34_> but thanks tormod
[22:35] <henke> hostname is on apt
[22:35] <diverse_izzue> so after successfully upgrading in a chroot, should things work again?
[22:36] <tormod> diverse_izzue: I am not sure all the fixed packages are in the archive yet
[22:36] <test34_> tormod, I didn't do the following line and it still works: printf '#!/bin/sh\n\necho 101\n' | sudo tee -a /media/karmic/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d
[22:37] <diverse_izzue> tormod, which ones do i need?
[22:37] <cjwatson> all the fixed packages> they are not
[22:37] <tormod> test34_: don't you get a lot of "upstart" error messages?
[22:37] <cjwatson> I don't have a list
[22:37] <diverse_izzue> ok
[22:37] <cjwatson> but I know that the build servers fell over part-way through building the boot reorganisation
[22:37] <test34_> tormod, I didn't see any displayed on the screen or in dmesg
[22:37] <cjwatson> it'd be a good idea to give them a chance to catch up now that they seem to be able to automatically build things again
[22:45] <jtholmes> woo hoo they finally fixed save session for kubuntu 9.10 that was hosed for the last three releases thanks Kubuntu folks, nice job really helps
[22:46] <ubuntu> :(, can I get help, I did an update to the packages and grub-pc update and the result was that the system after starting usplash was givving a black screen, trying to use ubuntu CD it also fails to run gdm, any idea ?
[22:46] <hype_> ubuntu , check topic? :D
[22:46] <Cynthia> ubuntu: Ctrl+Alt+F1, Ctrl+Alt+F7
[22:47] <test34_> Anyone knows if the nvidia problem was also fixed?
[22:47] <Cynthia> this may work, but the current builds are all broken
[22:47] <eagles0513875> test34_: which nvidia issue
[22:47] <test34_> Cynthia, its fixed now
[22:47] <Wizzup> Aah, this explains the problems I got with my package manager? :)
[22:47] <ubuntu> hype_: I am running karmic, and I don't think I made a mistake
[22:47] <Cynthia> Wizzup: pkg::checkProblem or whatever the function name is?
[22:47] <[31d1]> yay, apt is caught up - networking still doesnt come up automatically - i guess there's other stuff that is off besides just things beng unable to install
[22:48] <jtholmes> ubuntu, I am afraid the channel topic says it all several things are currently broken
[22:48] <cjwatson> [31d1]: yes, that's what I've been trying to tell people
[22:48] <cjwatson> upgradeability isn't a complete guarantee at the moment
[22:48] <test34_> eagles0513875, you would get a black screen after booting if you use nvidia's driver
[22:48] <hype_> Cynthia , i instaled updates of syslog, initscripts and hostname: you think it fixed he issue? i'ma affraid of rebooting :p
[22:48] <eagles0513875> yes test34_
[22:48] <[31d1]> cjwatson: ok i'll try to tell them too :)
[22:48] <Cynthia> hype_: no idea
[22:48] <eagles0513875> for me what fixed it was installing the version from the nvidia site and it fixed that for me
[22:48] <Cynthia> wait until the /topic says builds have succeeded
[22:48] <Wizzup> Cynthia: Different, I got a blocking package that vlc,ffmpeg and some others depended on, and it kept wanting to install that.
[22:48] <eagles0513875> as well as it booting into a tty console
[22:48] <cjwatson> hype_: I would not recommend rebooting yet
[22:49] <test34_> 31d1, my networking came up automatically but I use static IP
[22:49] <Wizzup> It simple didn't allow me to remove, or isntall any package, cause installing that one package failed
[22:49] <Wizzup> simply*
[22:49] <[31d1]> fair enough
[22:49] <hype_> cjwatson okok
[22:49] <ubuntu> cjwatson: when I run the grub update it asked me for device and checked the only option I had, /dev/sda.
[22:49] <hype_> seems like they wanted to setup upstart today :)
[22:50] <Cynthia> yeah, the ubuntu-boot team is on fire! :D
[22:50] <ubuntu> jtholmes: I know that there are many things broken, but at least I want to know which is broken ?
[22:50] <tormod> setup/upset
[22:50] <test34_> hype, I did reboot and it worked if you want to take the chance;)
[22:50] <cjwatson> ubuntu: that should be ok
[22:50] <[31d1]> ubuntu: did you press space and make sure that /dev/sda was actually selected ie with an [*] and not a [ ]
[22:50] <hype_> test34_ , like, straight away? :p
[22:50] <tormod> karmic worksforme now
[22:51] <test34_> hype_, I did the update and everything worked fine (but I didnt test the nvidia driver yet)
[22:51] <ubuntu> [31d1]: yeah, I pressed space and it was choosen, it discovered the kernels available.
[22:51] <[31d1]> ok
[22:51] <cjwatson> powerpc is still going to be completely broken in karmic for a while
[22:51] <cjwatson> we have some technical problems with the powerpc build servers that make it impossible to build udev for the time being
[22:52] <cjwatson> the next proper upstream release of udev will resolve that, and is expected next week or thereabouts
[22:52] <ubuntu> [31d1]: this is the same machine, if you know how to check if everything is ok or not :)
[22:52] <ubuntu> I will do it
[22:54] <[31d1]> ubuntu: i dunno too much - but i was able to switch to another virtual terminal when boot was hanging, get networking up, run apt update/upgrade, and get X working again
[22:54] <[31d1]> i used an older kernel too
[22:54] <test34> even the nvidia driver works fine now
[22:55] <ubuntu> the strange thing that I am running a karmic dekstop cd which was burned in 21/07 and it worked fine before, but now gdm is not working with IO error, I feel that the grub update locked the HDD or something like that and it is not X problem
[22:57] <ubuntu> cjwatson: is there any way to run grub to update the hard disk installed karmic from the desktop CD  ?
[22:58] <hype_> well, still have to start network manually after booting
[22:59] <test34> ubuntu, try this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrootRecovery
[23:00] <eagles0513875> test34: did you test the nvidia driver from repos or the one from the site
[23:00] <test34> eagles0513875, I have the default one from the repo
[23:00] <eagles0513875> and it worked for u
[23:00] <eagles0513875> or not
[23:00] <test34> it now works
[23:00] <cjwatson> ubuntu: grub is just a boot loader, it can't do package updates for you
[23:00] <eagles0513875> for me it wouldnt work and the only way to get any desktop to work was to use the one from the nvidia site
[23:00] <eagles0513875> strange
[23:01] <test34> eagles0513875, last night it didnt work for me either
[23:01] <ubuntu> cjwatson: I meant that if I want to change grub configuration for already installed ubuntu without running it using the CD
[23:01] <test34> after the updates it works again
[23:01] <eagles0513875> didnt work for me after the updates to the glibc or what ever
[23:01] <ubuntu> test34: I don't have any machine around me :(
[23:02] <test34> ubuntu, did you mess up your grub config or you system stopped working after an update?
[23:03] <cjwatson> ubuntu: as long as you can get to the menu, you can press 'e' to edit the boot menu on the fly
[23:03] <cjwatson> changes won't persist, but it'll work for one boot
[23:04] <BluesKaj> the live cd terminal can't find the karmic partition on either dev/sda2 or /media/karmic
[23:05] <gnata> ok. 3hours ago theboot sequence was fully broken. I fixed it using manual .deb install. now aptitude safe-upgrade wants me to ungrade  hostname initscripts rsyslog
[23:05] <gnata> should I do it?
[23:05] <ubuntu> test34: I did an update, and after six hours I made a grub update [I forgot that I made an update :(] and my target to know which made the problem. I feel it is grub because an old ubuntu CD is affected when trying to login with IO errors
[23:05] <gnata> Source: sysvinit
[23:05] <gnata> Version: 2.87dsf-4ubuntu1
[23:06] <ubuntu> cjwatson: I tried e but grub was not responding
[23:06] <gnata> is this thing ok or broken?
[23:06] <gnata> it conflits with mostly everything in /etc/init.d/
[23:07] <gnata> soooooory. Conffiles:...
[23:07] <gnata> oups...
[23:09]  * ubuntu restarting ...  maybe things changes !
[23:09] <BenCal> booting hangs showing "pci_enable_pcie_error_reporting failed", recovery mode hangs as well - what would be my best course of action to apply the updates? desktop cd of original install hangs, too :(
[23:09] <gnata> well...let's give it a try
[23:10] <DanaG> argh, every danged time I boot, I get "superblock last write time is in the future.  forcing check."
[23:10] <cjwatson> DanaG: bug 427822
[23:12] <DanaG> weird... it's happening for me, even though I'm WEST of utc.
[23:13] <Bookman> I just upgraded to Alpha 5 but I cannot get Gnome started.  How can I enable my wired network from the command line so that I get see if the updates are complete or not.  It only did a partial upgrade.
[23:13] <Trewas> and that has been happening for me (east of UTC) even with cleanly unmounted filesystems
[23:13] <Cynthia> the bug says "in the future" for everyone, and it's worse for those who are east of UTC?
[23:14] <Cynthia> because I'm in GMT-4 and it happened for me
[23:15] <gnata> oups
[23:15] <gnata> fuse:failed to create temporary  directory
[23:16] <duffydack> the "future" thing happened to me other day when I installed it
[23:16] <gnata> aka "it does not boot anymore"
[23:16] <Trewas> from the bug report (bug #427822) sounds like it should happen only with unclean shutdown when you are east of UTC, but that is clearly wrong
[23:16] <BluesKaj> cjwatson: guess Im screwed on the desktop install , grub is missing the kernel list and the karmic live cd doesn't see the karmic partition
[23:17] <cjwatson> Trewas: or you actually have a slightly different problem with similar symptoms
[23:17] <cjwatson> don't fall into the trap of thinking that if the symptom is the same then the bug is the same ...
[23:18] <keith2> when I try running "sudo start network-manager", it keeps starting and getting killed by ABRT signal. anyone have a suggestion?
[23:18] <Trewas> cjwatson: could be, but I have never seen that error before (well for some weeks in karmic)
[23:19] <BluesKaj> cjwatson:  let me rephrase that grub doesn't show the kernel list, only the memtest and windows
[23:20] <cjwatson> Trewas: yes, a sledgehammer workaround was removed in order that we could try to discover why it was needed
[23:20] <cjwatson> BluesKaj: I'm sorry, I don't know the answer, I've been working for over 12 hours pretty much straight
[23:20] <cjwatson> BluesKaj: maybe your kernel packages actually got deinstalled in which case you will have to reinstall them somehow
[23:21] <BluesKaj> ok, cjwatson we appreciate your efforts , believe me...think i'll just reinstall
[23:21] <zniavre_> avahi-daemon gdm hal network-manager rysolg are all switched-off in rcconf what could happen if i switch them on ?
[23:22] <zniavre_> (fresh install)
[23:22] <Trewas> cjwatson: so there was some heuristic for last mount time like "if it's up to 24h in future, it's ok" before?
[23:22] <cjwatson> Trewas: I forget the details, but I guess it was something like that
[23:22] <Trewas> cjwatson: just curious, but that would seem quite reasonable to me :)
[23:22] <gnata> I'm gonna try to but on whatever and to kill fuse
[23:22] <cjwatson> removing the workaround has already uncovered a kernel bug, so I think it was the right thing to do
[23:23] <cjwatson> Trewas: if it still breaks after the kernel bug is clearly fixed (give it a while, as the kernel was affected by the general buildd outage today, and in any case it's only been fixed for ext4 so far not ext3), then I'd encourage you to file another bug, perhaps on e2fsprogs
[23:24] <cjwatson> but let the upgrades trickle through first to avoid unnecessary duplicates
[23:24] <Trewas> cjwatson: ok
[23:26] <CydeSwype> cjwatson, is the topic still valid here?  i was able to complete the partial upgrade via update-manager from alpha 5, but haven't rebooted yet.  any other update in status?
[23:28] <cjwatson> CydeSwype: build servers are back on auto, but they have a long backlog to churn through; I'm not comfortable declaring that things are relatively safe again until they've cleared that backlog
[23:28] <cjwatson> and I'm going to bed :-)
[23:28] <DKcross> now i have server X:D
[23:28] <CydeSwype> hehe  very good.  thanks cjwatson!
[23:28] <DKcross> upstart is running:D
[23:28] <BluesKaj> cjwatson:  i'm doing a clean install ,after it's done, should i hold off the updates til tomorrow ?
[23:29] <cjwatson> BluesKaj: personally I'd go have a beer and leave the whole thing to tomorrow, if I were you
[23:29] <keith2> Does anyone know why I can't start network-manager manually?
[23:29] <cjwatson> BluesKaj: but if you're installing something moderately stable such as alpha 5 then that might be ok; definitely don't upgrade until tomorrow
[23:30] <BluesKaj> hehe, ok cjwatson , roger, got that
[23:30] <cjwatson> keith2: half-complete boot reorganisation in karmic? wait a bit, upgrade, see if it still happens ...
[23:30] <keith2> cjwatson, don't i need an internet connection for that?
[23:30] <cjwatson> particularly, the updated ifupdown isn't on the mirrors yet
[23:31] <cjwatson> keith2: you may have to bring one up by hand, or use a more stable live CD plus https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrootRecovery
[23:31] <cjwatson> perils of a development release
[23:31] <keith2> cjwatson, naturally. thanks for the advice.
[23:34] <mrmcq2u> Is it unsafe to upgrade from 9.04 at present?
[23:34] <BluesKaj> keith2:  unfortunately network manager is bit shaky , i've been recommending wicd as an alternative, but it's somewhat injured right now as well.
[23:34] <vistakiller> i just fix network-manager with reinstall it
[23:34] <vistakiller> too many problems after the upgrade to karmic
[23:35] <vistakiller> too many crash reports
[23:35] <cjwatson> mrmcq2u: yes
[23:35] <vistakiller> no sound with pulse and when i put alsa i dont have sound in flash
[23:35] <cjwatson> mrmcq2u: today is not a happy day; try again tomorrow
[23:35] <mrmcq2u> so there is some breakage in the repo atm?
[23:36] <pwnguin> mrmcq2u: so I hear
[23:36] <Dai> mrmcq2u: that's about like saying JFK was "mildly wounded"
[23:36] <cjwatson> yes, there is
[23:36] <Dai> except ubuntu is going to get better.
[23:36] <keith2> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow's not looking good either."
[23:36] <pwnguin> apparently you cant build upstart and sysvinit at different times
[23:36] <mrmcq2u> I wasnt sure as I heard lots of reports on ubuntu forums but thought it was over a third party boot repo
[23:38] <DanaG> hmm, so what do I do about the "last write time is in future"?
[23:39] <Cynthia> workaround: sudo ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/GMT /etc/localtime
[23:39] <CydeSwype> mrmcq2u: started a twitter account where i'll post status updates as cjwatson and others issue them here: https://twitter.com/cjwatson
[23:39] <CydeSwype> if you just want to follow the status
[23:40] <cjwatson> uhh
[23:40] <cjwatson> you mean you're impersonating me on twitter?
[23:40] <cjwatson> I'd really rather appreciate it if you didn't do that
[23:40] <mrmcq2u> cydeswype - new episode of heroes out?
[23:40] <mrmcq2u> lol
[23:41] <CydeSwype> cjwatson: no just summarizing updates here
[23:41] <cjwatson> and indeed that twitter account is already owned by somebody else
[23:41] <cjwatson> CydeSwype: feel free, but don't call the relevant account 'cjwatson', please
[23:41] <cjwatson> that makes it look like it's me posting directly
[23:41] <CydeSwype> cjwatson, already corrected
[23:42] <cjwatson> TBH there's not likely to be huge amounts more status to post
[23:42] <cjwatson> it just needs to build a vast pile of stuff now
[23:42] <cjwatson> but it'll do that without human intervention, I hope
[23:42] <CydeSwype> sure, but next distro if there's an event like this, would be nice to not have to search the forums or clutter up irc looking for status
[23:43] <cjwatson> I guess
[23:43] <cjwatson> what did you call the account?
[23:43] <CydeSwype> ubuntuplus1
[23:43]  * pwnguin wonders how often the #ubuntu+1 topic changes
[23:43] <cjwatson> CydeSwype: ah, much better, thanks
[23:43] <komputes> Does anyone here use, or is willing to test openarena in karmic?
[23:44] <pwnguin> i bet you could just push topic changes from ubotto into an RSS feed
[23:44] <CydeSwype> and cjwatson, if you want to post your own updates, you're welcome to  ;^)  i'm happy to do it though if that makes life easier
[23:44] <cjwatson> nah, I don't do microblogging
[23:44] <CydeSwype> pwnguin, i was considering that...i've written bots in the past and it probably wouldn't be hard to do a twitter integration there
[23:44] <pwnguin> CydeSwype: i dont care about twitter, just want an RSS feed :P
[23:45] <keith2> you can get twitters as a feed though
[23:45] <CydeSwype> pwnguin, you get rss with twitter
[23:45] <keith2> lol
[23:45] <pwnguin> just saying twit is not a requirement
[23:45] <pwnguin> and given we already publish irclogs
[23:46] <pwnguin> it seems like it would be simplest to just add a feed generator to the html generator
[23:48] <vistakiller> and something else
[23:49] <vistakiller> why all the linux distro stuck with that crap software named pulseaudio?
[23:49] <pwnguin> because people like bluetooth headsets
[23:49] <vistakiller> i dont have sound in flash and to other porgrammes and my sound come back after i remove it
[23:49] <vistakiller> but is very crap
[23:49] <pwnguin> flash is crap software
[23:49] <vistakiller> one year now the ppl have problem with pulseaudio
[23:49] <vistakiller> in all distros
[23:50] <keith2> i like pulseaudio. =)
[23:50] <vistakiller> i like it when was only in ubuntu
[23:50] <vistakiller> i dont like it now that is come with kubuntu :P
[23:51] <pwnguin> pulse audio provides a layer of abstraction over sound hardware, so you can do things like direct sound over network protocols
[23:51] <keith2> pulseaudio solved/simplified a lot of issues I had with alsa
[23:51] <vistakiller> yeah but you canot do simple things anymore :P
[23:51] <vistakiller> like to hear sound from flash
[23:51] <pwnguin> you can, flash choses not to
[23:52] <keith2> i have sound from flash
[23:52] <vistakiller> i dont have in kubuntu
[23:52] <vistakiller> i run 64 system with 32 flash player
[23:53] <keith2> i run 64 too, and I use whatever the restricted-extras installs
[23:53] <vistakiller> me too
[23:53] <vistakiller> i dont know why this happen but i found and a bug report in lanchpad
[23:53] <vistakiller> i am not alone..
[23:54] <pwnguin> here's adobe's take on it
[23:54] <pwnguin> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2007/05/welcome_to_the_jungle.html
[23:54] <keith2> rebooting after a chroot recovery... *crosses fingers*
[23:55] <gnata> recovery from which bug?
[23:55] <keith2> the bug where everything broke in recent updates
[23:55] <vistakiller> yes
[23:55] <vistakiller> i just recover for that
[23:55] <gnata> on my box it is fuse which cannot create a temp
[23:56] <keith2> gotta fsck everything again
[23:56] <vistakiller> but every time i login i have to reinstall network manager
[23:56] <vistakiller> because is not working
[23:56] <vistakiller> ok i dont complain is alpha version
[23:56] <vistakiller> good night all :)
[23:56] <keith2> i like learning from these things
[23:57] <vistakiller> me too
[23:57] <keith2> night
[23:57] <XmagusX> Interesting bit of fun -- after the latest round of updates, my system no longer boots, siting an error "fsck died with exit status 8."  Running XFS
[23:57] <mrmcq2u> is there any feature freeze exemption for telepathy-butterfly?
[23:58] <XmagusX> Anyone have any suggestions on this one?
[23:58] <pwnguin> XmagusX: step 1, figure out what exit status 8 means
[23:58] <mrmcq2u> the latest version has support for voice/video.
[23:59] <pwnguin> hmm. not good: 8    - Operational error
[23:59] <keith2> hooray! my system is operational again!
[23:59] <keith2> well, still no internet maybe...


[16:48] <kriegerod> where can i check source code of the part of Ubuntu Install CD which shows prompt "Try Ubuntu or Install" (this: http://purushottamdike.com/En/os_info/ubuntu/13.10/desktop-install-1.png ) ?
[16:48] <kriegerod> how can i customize the disk image to skip this prompt and go ahead with installation?
[16:53] <xnox> kriegerod: it's ubiquity, and it's a kernel boot option.
[16:54] <xnox> kriegerod: the default is "maybe-ubiquity", to boot into install mode direct, it's "only-ubiquity"
[16:54] <xnox> kriegerod: without either, desktop session starts (aka try ubuntu)
[16:54] <xnox> at burning man logo, click esc to choose if you want to boot direct into installer.
[16:56] <kriegerod> xnox: thanks for reply,
[16:57] <kriegerod> could you please point where to edit the default boot choice? i'm not sure about boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:57] <kriegerod> its content is https://gist.github.com/krieger-od/23d8310fc08ac92ad37e
[16:58] <xnox> not that.
[16:58] <xnox> that's uefi boot
[16:59] <kriegerod> xnox: so where to edit?
[16:59] <xnox> kriegerod: grep for maybe-ubiquity.
[17:00] <kriegerod> ok, will do. thanks
[17:00] <xnox> kriegerod: why do you want to boot into installer by default?
[17:00] <xnox> kriegerod: if you are automatically preseeding, you'd want to specify automatic-ubiquity.....
[17:00] <xnox> kriegerod: not sure, but you might possibly will have to unpack and repack bootlogo archive.
[17:08] <kriegerod> "why do you want to boot into installer by default" -- making custom automated install cd
[17:13] <xnox> kriegerod: than do use 14.04 at least =) 13.10 is end of life by now.
[17:17] <kriegerod> sure i use 14.04 iso
[17:17] <kriegerod> editing isolinux/txt.cfg helped
[17:22] <kriegerod> unfortunately i have preseed options "ubiquity passwd/user-password{,-again} password XXXXXX" not working. Any quick ideas?
[17:23] <xnox> kriegerod: it's not ubiquity, but d-i.
[17:23] <xnox> e.g.
[17:23] <xnox> d-i passwd/user-fullname string UTAH
[17:23] <xnox> d-i passwd/username string utah
[17:23] <xnox> d-i passwd/user-password password !ubuntu123
[17:23] <xnox> d-i passwd/user-password-again password !ubuntu123
[17:24] <kriegerod> gosh, i thought ubiquity is a fork of d-i
[17:24] <xnox> kriegerod: no, it's not.
[17:24] <kriegerod> lines "ubiquity passwd/user-fullname", "ubiquity passwd/username" work
[17:24] <xnox> hm.
[17:24] <xnox> let me check the code.
[17:27] <cjwatson> the owner field doesn't matter in that case.  either d-i or ubiquity would work.
[17:27] <cjwatson> ubiquity is a wrapper around parts of d-i.
[17:30] <kriegerod> changing passwd/user-password* prefix to d-i seems to work - now i wasn't asked by that dialog
[17:31] <cjwatson> how curious.  I wonder what cares about the owner there - really shouldn't
[17:42] <kriegerod> cjwatson: i guess you will be surprised even more that this https://gist.github.com/krieger-od/6be96f5c9867ed74c80d worked perfectly
[17:43] <cjwatson> I haven't looked, doing a zillion other things, sorry
[17:44] <cjwatson> well, three, but both brain-intensive
[17:44] <cjwatson> *all :-)
[18:07] <kriegerod> is pkgsel/include option processed? i don't see it requested in /var/log/installer logs (with ubiquity-debug enabled)
[18:08] <cjwatson> not in ubiquity no
[18:09] <kriegerod> could you please point to a directive which installs specific extra packages?
[18:11] <xnox> ubiquity doesn't install packages per-se, it simply copies the livefs to target with cp -a more or less.
[18:11] <kriegerod> i'll try to put back "d-i" prefix to it
[18:12] <kriegerod> i have previously replaced all "d-i" to "ubiquity", which made most of my preseed directives to make effect :)
[18:14] <xnox> kriegerod: ubiquity does not run tasksel / pkgsel
[18:16] <kriegerod> xnox: the problem is that there's no up-to-date exhaustive documentation on preseed options for ubuntu
[18:43] <kriegerod> grepping for late_command in ubiquity sources gives mentions only with oem-config prefix. No way to run custom command in generic install case?
[19:18] <CarlFK> kriegerod: works for me
[19:19] <CarlFK> root around in here, this works: https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/tree/master/setup/nodes/pxe
[23:24] <infinity> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7839038/ <-- Objections?
[23:24] <infinity> cjwatson: Sick of screwing that up and having to reupload (as I'm about to...)
[23:25] <infinity> Oh, except that's FTBFS in a test build.
[23:25] <cjwatson> infinity: LGTM once it builds
[23:27] <infinity> Oh, wait, maybe it's FTBFS correctly.
[23:27] <infinity> As in, linux-signed hasn't published yet. :P
[23:27]  * infinity waits.
[23:27] <infinity> Do I get a gold start for making a package fail to build and then wondering why it fails to build?
[23:28] <infinity> s/start/star/
[23:36] <infinity> Okay, local mirror in sync with reality, let's try this again.
[23:43] <infinity> That went much better.  Committing.


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[13:36] <skirando> Hello
[13:36] <skirando> I'm trying to install xubuntu 20.04 on a MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI mother board.
[13:36] <skirando> It works but network driver Realtek® 8125B 2.5G LAN is not installed. lshw -C network says network unclaimed
[13:36] <skirando> I downloaded the driver on the net but installation seems to require dkms.
[13:36] <skirando> dkms is not included in xubuntu 20.04 installed version
[13:36] <skirando> sudo apt-get doesn't work since I have no network.
[13:53] <Guest17> Hello
[13:53] <Guest17> I'm trying to install xubuntu 20.04 on a MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI mother board.
[13:53] <Guest17> It works but network driver Realtek® 8125B 2.5G LAN is not installed. lshw -C network says network unclaimed
[13:53] <Guest17> I downloaded the driver on the net but installation seems to require dkms.
[13:53] <Guest17> dkms is not included in xubuntu 20.04 installed version
[13:53] <Guest17> sudo apt-get doesn't work since I have no network.
[13:54] <Maik> !paste
[13:55] <Maik> so it's best not to copy/paste more than 3 lines :)
[14:40] <justaguy70> Aloha everyone. How do I disable login sound in Xubuntu?
[14:41] <justaguy70> I tried to google it but no luck.
[14:42] <Maik> uhm... as far as i can remember xubuntu doesn't have a login sound enabled by default
[14:44] <justaguy70> Yeah, it did not but I installed the Chicago95 theme and now I have the old Windows95 login sound each time :D  And no idea how to disable it...
[14:46] <Maik> not sure either how to do that, sorry
[14:46] <justaguy70> The Chicago95 thingy brings lots of memories by the way :)  https://imgur.com/JLFtBO5.png
[14:49] <justaguy70> Ah, got it. Menu -> settings -> session and startup -> application autostart -> unclick startup sound
[15:13] <christian> Hello
[15:13] <christian> I'm trying to install xubuntu 20.04 on a MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI mother board.
[15:13] <christian> It works but network driver Realtek® 8125B 2.5G LAN is not installed. lshw -C network says network unclaimed
[15:13] <christian> I downloaded the driver on the net but installation seems to require dkms.
[15:13] <christian> dkms is not included in xubuntu 20.04 installed version
[15:13] <christian> sudo apt-get doesn't work since I have no network.
[15:13] <christian> How can I copy and run dkms from an other Pc ?
[15:17] <gnrp> christian: What does it say, exactly, why it is not working?
[15:17] <gnrp> the installation, I mean
[15:20] <christian> Xububtu works but I have no network
[15:21] <gnrp> I mean, when you try to install the driver, what is the error message?
[15:22] <christian> I'm unable to install the driver since on askubuntu they say you need to have dkms
[15:24] <gnrp> christian: Ah, so you haven't tried yet
[15:24] <gnrp> christian: Go to packages.ubuntu.com
[15:24] <gnrp> there you can earch for packages
[15:24] <gnrp> e.., here is dkms: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/dkms
[15:25] <gnrp> you can also download the packages there and you can see the dependencies
[15:25] <gnrp> you can download that on a ocmputer with internet access, copy it to a usb flashdrive, and then bring it to your other computer
[15:26] <gnrp> with `dpkg -i $PACKAGE` you can install $PACKAGE (e.g., dkms_2.8.1-5ubuntu1_all.deb)
[15:27] <gnrp> christian: Furthermore, do `/sbin/ip l` to check which network devices are there. You could paste themand we coul dhave a look
[15:27] <gnrp> !paste


[04:09] <Max_Stone> Is there any way to put a package for 11.04 on a USB drive and take it home? I'm running a Windows 7 laptop and I think #ubuntu said that I can't do that.
[04:11] <holstein> Max_Stone: sure.. you want the .deb, and whatever dependancies, which might be harder to track down
[04:11] <Max_Stone> Okay...
[04:12] <Max_Stone> Should I Google for the .deb?
[04:13] <holstein> you might want to consider this in the long run
[04:13] <holstein> http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/08/get-ubuntu-repositories-on-dvd.html
[04:16] <Max_Stone> That is awesome
[04:16] <Max_Stone> Thanks :)
[04:16] <holstein> Max_Stone: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ for example
[04:16] <holstein> just drill down there and you'll find the .debs
[04:17] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ might be helpful as well
[04:17] <holstein> im assuming you are on 11.10...
[04:17] <Unit193> !offline
[04:17] <ubot2> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://ubottu.com/ljl/apt/ - See also !APTonCD
[04:18] <holstein> nice... i didnt realize synaptic did that ubot2
[04:18] <Unit193> Or take a look at  apt-offline
[04:18] <holstein> Unit193: *
[04:18] <holstein> have you tried it?
[04:18] <Unit193> I would be more likly to use apt-offline, but I haven't needed to yet
[04:18] <Max_Stone> I have 11.04
[04:18]  * holstein talks to botz :/
[04:19] <holstein> Max_Stone: i would use that download gernerator in synaptic
[04:19] <holstein> that'll take care of the dependancies i was mentioning
[04:20] <Max_Stone> Okay. It's really getting to be a pain not having internet at home lol
[04:20] <Max_Stone> Appreciate all the help ^.^
[04:22] <duanedesign> hello holstein
[04:22] <holstein> duanedesign: o/
[04:37] <Max_Stone> I can't use the repository site that the jigdo page points to, it's a language I don't recognize :(
[04:39] <Max_Stone> Oh snap it's Indonesian
[04:41] <holstein> Max_Stone: i just hit the 'translate' button and did OK
[04:41] <holstein> but, im sure there are other places
[04:41] <holstein> and you dont *have* to download the entire repos
[04:41] <holstein> its just an idea
[04:50] <Max_Stone> I'm looking at the packages.ubuntu.com page but I can't tell what I should grab...
[04:50] <Max_Stone> I'm assuming something in the updates section
[04:52] <holstein> yeah, doing it from synaptic is the way to go Max_Stone
[04:52] <holstein> you'll just search what you want, and it'll mark all the dependancies
[04:52] <Max_Stone> Okay
[04:53] <holstein> you say 'generate download script' and you get a file with wget commands in it
[04:53] <holstein> you can use them with a live CD when you are out or with windows... whatever you decide
[04:53] <Max_Stone> Okay, I'll have to do it with Windows
[04:55] <Max_Stone> g2g, be back when I can. Hopefully a couple days.
[04:55] <Max_Stone> Thanks again
[04:55] <urlin2u> holstein, klattu barada niktu Just finished watching the day the earth stood still lol. :D
[04:56] <holstein> urlin2u: :)
[15:50] <marion> good morning/afternoon/evening depending on where ever you are
[15:52] <marion> so for some reason after i went from 11.04 to 11.10 i have to choose a previous version of linux when i boot
[15:57] <nlsthzn> marion: ? Explain a bit more please...
[15:59] <marion> ok if i let it choose the linux with ubuntu 3.0.0 the screen just goes black so i have to scroll down to previous versions of linux
[15:59] <marion> before it automaticaly boots
[16:06] <marion> would you mind walking me through that process
[16:07] <nothingspecial> I haven't ever needed to edit grub2, I can have a look if you would like :)
[16:07] <marion> you can do that i have a user in the Xubuntu channel helping out too
[16:07] <nlsthzn> thanks nothingspecial ... at work so I am wheeling between this PC and my panel :p
[16:07] <marion> cause i have to boot vmlinuz-2.6.38-12-generic
[16:07] <marion>  instead of /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-13-generic
[16:10]  * nothingspecial is looking :)
[16:11] <marion> i found something but the command it said to use is bogus
[16:16] <nothingspecial> marion, like I said I have never done this. Are you comfortable with moving stuff about with the command line and editing config files?
[16:16] <nlsthzn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 for nothingspecial  and marion ...
[16:16] <nlsthzn> thanks to drs305
[16:17] <nothingspecial> he's one of the grub masters :)
[16:18] <nothingspecial> marion follow that guide :)
[16:27] <NitroxJohnny> Hello room
[16:29] <NitroxJohnny> me
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> Guess you're a diver? :D
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> Scuba, not cliff.
[16:30] <NitroxJohnny> hide sidewinder :-)
[16:30] <NitroxJohnny> Correct
[16:31] <Sidewinder1> Naui, here.
[16:31] <NitroxJohnny> Scubba diver
[16:31] <NitroxJohnny> SSI and ANDI here
[16:31] <Sidewinder1> Got my oldest certified when he was 12 by Evie Dudas.
[19:05] <JackyAlcine> Pedro3005: whats up?
[19:06] <pedro3005> sick
[19:06] <pedro3005> all weekend
[19:06] <pedro3005> 39ºC fever
[19:06] <pedro3005> sucks
[19:15] <JackyAlcine> :/
[19:16] <nlsthzn> ?
[20:10] <MarionV> does anyone know how to get the 3.0.0-12 generic kernel to support ati radeon
[20:11] <nlsthzn> MarionV: Where you able to edit your Grub2?
[20:12] <MarionV> i couldnt figure out how to get into it
[20:14] <nlsthzn> MarionV: I posted this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 just after you left :p
[20:14] <nlsthzn> It has all you need to know about editing Grub2...
[20:15] <nlsthzn> As for getting Radeon's to play wiht the new kernel I don't know... hang about and see if one of the Guru's sees it and assists ;)
[20:16] <MarionV> will linux recognise my motherboard graphics card?
[20:18] <nlsthzn> MarionV: I guess that would depend on what it is... a easy way to get past most booting issues with gfx cards is to add "nomodeset" to the kernel argument when booting...
[21:54] <MarionV> is there a way to uninstall a kernal
[21:54] <holstein> MarionV: there are lots of ways
[21:54] <holstein> i would open synaptic and search linux
[21:54] <MarionV> well i wanna uninstall 3.0.0
[21:54] <holstein> then, i would look at just why you want to remove it
[21:55] <holstein> i would suggest keeping 2, the current one, and the last one that worked
[21:55] <MarionV> cause it wont recognize my ati radeon
[21:57] <MarionV> how do i open synaptic
[21:57] <holstein> MarionV: i would typically find it in the menu and click on it
[21:57] <holstein> but, im not sure about how to navigate unity if thats what you are using
[21:58] <philipballew> i can help wit unity
[21:58] <philipballew> In unity you click on the Ubunto logo on the left side on the launcher bar
[21:58] <philipballew> a dash appears and type your application
[21:58] <philipballew> hands it back to holstein
[21:59] <holstein> hehe
[21:59] <MarionV> what is unity
[21:59] <MarionV> everything is basic
[21:59] <holstein> MarionV: it is potentially the user interface you are using
[21:59] <holstein> depending on what versino of ubuntu you are using
[21:59] <holstein> im assuing 11.10 with a 3.x kernel
[21:59] <MarionV> 11.10 with and i am using the 2.6.38 kernel
[22:00] <MarionV> cause the 3.0.0 kernel wont load
[22:00] <holstein> MarionV: look for a bug report to follow up on
[22:00] <MarionV> i cant find one
[22:00] <holstein> sucks when theres a regression like that
[22:00] <holstein> MarionV: make a new one then, if you want
[22:01] <MarionV> how do i do that
[22:01] <holstein> i would start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[22:02] <holstein> it can be challenging to get started, but for you, it would be benificial
[22:02] <holstein> potentially
[22:02]  * philipballew needs to report more bugs
[22:03] <holstein> im going to try and get in on 12.04, the LTS
[22:03] <philipballew> im upgrading to 12.04 this week I think
[22:03] <philipballew> apparently pre alpha is out
[22:03] <holstein> yeah, i was thinking about grabbing a daily :)
[22:04]  * philipballew will be emailing holstein tonight
[22:14] <duanedesign> hello holstein
[22:14] <philipballew> hello duanedesign
[22:14] <duanedesign> holstein: are you on the Beginners Team Mailing List?
[22:14] <duanedesign> Hello philipballew
[22:14]  * philipballew knows he is not holstein
[22:14] <duanedesign> :)
[22:15] <duanedesign> doing good philipballew ?
[22:15] <duanedesign> i experienced my first earthquake yesterday
[22:15] <philipballew> I think so, I am just doing laundry and doind some ubuntu newsletter summeries
[22:15] <philipballew> What was the magnitute
[22:16] <duanedesign> 5.8
[22:16] <duanedesign> it was pretty mild
[22:17]  * philipballew is born and raised in California
[22:17] <philipballew> I think I felt a 5.8 when i was taking a shower today
[22:18] <duanedesign> :)
[22:18]  * philipballew just messing duanedesign
[22:18] <philipballew> duanedesign, noone has emailed me asking for an interview
[22:18] <philipballew> they are to darn humble
[22:19] <duanedesign> i waswi have been trying to pay extra attention to who has been giving support
[22:20] <philipballew> I was thinking of doing like 5 to 10 people or so
[22:20] <duanedesign> and was going to try and invite some active folks to participate in your great idea
[22:23] <philipballew> It came to me when I was in a UDS session. It seemed like a obvious idea that i had been missing or something
[22:25] <philipballew> and I dont have many ways to help, so i figured there, I can do something small like that. Its not much, but it might do something
[22:28] <duanedesign> philipballew: it is an awesome idea
[22:28] <duanedesign> philipballew: their was a session at uds about making community more obvious
[22:28] <philipballew> I was there duanedesign remotely.
[22:29] <duanedesign> calling attention to all those great people who give their time to help others and ask for nothing in return
[22:29] <philipballew> It was a really good session imo
[22:29]  * duanedesign nods
[22:30]  * philipballew nods back
[23:17] <notreallyhere> philipballew, wanted you to know I got my problem resolved. A friend suggested using the USB install Ubuntu 11.10 to do an UPGRADE of the 11.04 that was hanging up on boot. That seems to have resolved the issues
[23:17] <philipballew> nice! Usb is faster anyway then a cd


[19:53] <thafreak> where is everyone
[19:53] <paultag> here
[19:53] <thafreak> it's been quiet for days
[19:54] <thafreak> hey, mc-tagg-ert
[19:55] <thafreak> so, I think my boss ok'd paying for OLF-I
[19:55] <thafreak> So if I can get back to the office and access the cc, I should be coming down all day friday
[19:55] <thafreak> and there's a key signing party friday night
[19:56] <thafreak> you should take time out of your debian bug squashing to go
[19:56] <paultag> :D
[20:07]  * Unit193 is heavily watching and waiting for a debian bug to get fixed....
[20:08] <paultag> Unit193: which bug?
[20:08] <canthus13> All of them.
[20:08] <Unit193> paultag: It's only an ITP - http://bugs.debian.org/648256
[20:08] <paultag> wasn't think in debian a while ago?
[20:08] <paultag> ah, I see
[20:09] <paultag> well, gwolf is a DD, so I can't offer sponsorship or anything
[20:09] <paultag> he's illaroud
[20:09] <paultag> illarous*
[20:10] <paultag> I giggled @ http://gwolf.org/content/curp-or-not-curp
[20:10] <Unit193> Seemed like Leonel was going to take care of it, which would make sense as he works on Cherokee with Ubuntu.
[20:10] <paultag> mmm
[20:14] <Unit193> Sadly that means it is pulled from testing and unstable atm. :P
[20:15] <paultag> and soon stable :)
[20:15] <paultag> use nginx or lighttpd :)
[20:15] <paultag> while you wait
[20:16] <Unit193> I really should, rather than pull from stable. :p
[20:16] <paultag> yeah :)
[20:16] <paultag> there's a reason it's no longer shipping
[20:16] <paultag> it's more likely then not because of a security issue
[20:16] <paultag> which you should perhaps avoid :)
[20:18] <Unit193> (Note, httpd hasn't exactly been open to the world, thus the testing of the stable cherokee on it)  Lightty is what I use on another computer, haven't used apache in a long time.
[20:18] <paultag> nginx is nice for static content serving
[20:20] <Unit193> gitphp, and image gallery now.
[20:21] <paultag> yeah, php is a mess with !(apache2)
[20:22] <Unit193> Functions with lightty and cherokee, just don't know how well or securely.
[20:22] <paultag> functions
[20:22] <paultag> but it has some troubles using php5 with fastcgi under some conditions
[20:22] <paultag> simple scripts seem to work OK
[20:23] <paultag> i've since bailed on PHP, but I remember scripts failing with lighttpd + php + fastcgi
[20:24] <canthus13> paultag: >
[20:24] <canthus13> (ORE INCONSISTENT THAN A POLITICAL CONVENTION>
[20:24] <canthus13> (ORE INCONSISTENT THAN A POLITICAL CONVENTION>
[20:24] <canthus13> ....
[20:24] <paultag> haha lolwut
[20:24] <canthus13> wow.
[20:24] <canthus13> dunno. PuTTY freaked out.
[20:24] <paultag> 16:24 <+CERNTHERS13> (ERE ERNCERNSERSTERNT THERN A PERLERTERCERL CERNVERNTERN>
[20:24] <canthus13> that was awesome. :)
[20:24] <paultag> totally :)
[20:30] <thafreak> nginx + php5-fpm = awesomesauce...
[20:30] <thafreak> well...as awesomesauce as php can be
[20:30] <paultag> nginx + uwsgi = awesomesacuce
[20:31] <thafreak> what's not awesomesauce...at all...f**king ALFRESCO
[20:31] <thafreak> PIECE OF MONKEY SH*T!!!
[20:31] <paultag> hahahahahaha
[20:31] <thafreak> I've never wanted to quit over a damned piece of software SO MUCH before
[20:32] <thafreak> I only ever seem to want to quit my job after being subjected to getting random java P.O.S. working on tomcat...
[20:32] <thafreak> and I'm not talking about Point Of Sale either


[00:44] <Guest4300> good night bb peps
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:16]  * genii-around makes a fresh pot of coffee
[15:29] <dscassel> Morning, all
[15:49] <genii-around> Mornin'
[18:49] <Ve2dmn1> Quick question on 'Apport': If Xorg itself crashed, will apport still do work?
[18:50] <Ve2dmn1> I'm reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport and it seems to it might not be useful for when X itself crashes....