[15:29] <cpaelzer> hiho
[15:29]  * cpaelzer lights the MIR campfire
[15:29] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[15:29] <cpaelzer> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage
[15:29] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:29] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:29] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:29] <slyon> o/
[15:29] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:29] <cpaelzer> I started early, but no rush - take your time
[15:30] <jamespage> o/
[15:30] <eslerm> hi all o/
[15:30] <joalif> o/
[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:31] <cpaelzer> broadcom-sta is a seed change
[15:31] <cpaelzer> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/commit/?id=b3965da8202acba79153429b1ff36f2d7f385238
[15:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Commit b3965da in ~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu "Seed broadcom-sta-dkms, rename for bcmwl-kernel-source"
[15:32] <cpaelzer> seems to be a rename, at least that is what is indicated
[15:32] <sarnold> good morning
[15:32] <cpaelzer> but either way we can be sure that xnox knows what needs to be done, so I'd not act on it yet
[15:32] <cpaelzer> -proposed is a bit more crowded
[15:33] <cpaelzer> ruby3.1 is there which is a transition that was started and the usual versioned source (no new MIR needed)
[15:33] <cpaelzer> everything else that is new I can see has MIRs or stub-MIRs
[15:33] <cpaelzer> so we will see it in the later stages of this meeting
[15:33] <cpaelzer> no need to add more
[15:34] <slyon> ack
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:34] <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:35] <cpaelzer> the first is a false positive
[15:35] <cpaelzer> as someone added ceilometer to track
[15:35] <cpaelzer> that is actually in security queue
[15:35] <slyon> I volunteer to review the log4cplus MIR (as I just handled the parent MIR today)
[15:35] <slyon> we should assigned some team to the ceilometer component, to make it go away from our list..
[15:36] <cpaelzer> thanks for the voluntee slyon
[15:37] <cpaelzer> and yes I grabbed ceilometer and marked it incomplete
[15:37] <cpaelzer> there are more of the printing stack which I was reviewing a bit recently
[15:37] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpdb-backend-file/+bug/2003272
[15:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2003272 in cpdb-backend-file (Ubuntu) "[MIR] cpdb-backend-file" [High, New]
[15:37] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups-filters/+bug/2003259
[15:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2003259 in cups-filters (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libcupsfilters libppd cups-browsed" [Undecided, New]
[15:38] <didrocks> I’m happy to take the printing ones
[15:38] <didrocks> unsure it will be fun, but meh :)
[15:38] <joalif> i can take markdown-it-py
[15:39] <cpaelzer> I'll tkae unicode
[15:39] <cpaelzer> so we all grabbed one or two already
[15:39] <cpaelzer> and BTW I've seen many of you complete their reviews of last week
[15:39] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:39] <cpaelzer> what is left is
[15:39] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rich/+bug/2003570
[15:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2003570 in rich (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rich" [Undecided, New]
[15:39] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colord/+bug/821883
[15:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 821883 in argyll (Ubuntu) "[MIR] argyll" [High, Incomplete]
[15:40] <joalif> i can take rich
[15:40] <slyon> python-rich will be a dependency of netplan, soonish
[15:40] <cpaelzer> argyll / colord might be a false positive from tacking again
[15:40] <cpaelzer> assigning rich to joalif - thanks
[15:40] <slyon> I can investigate argyll
[15:41] <cpaelzer> Oh I've just read enough of that case
[15:41] <cpaelzer> it is colord re-enabling argyll
[15:41] <cpaelzer> so the recent merge
[15:41] <cpaelzer> made it hit a mismatch
[15:41] <cpaelzer> maybe we just need to ping RAOF before we go full review?
[15:41] <didrocks> yeah, let me write on the MIR and assign to him
[15:42] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:42] <slyon> thx
[15:42] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:42] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:42] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:42] <cpaelzer> nothing new in here we didn't have under control
[15:43] <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[15:43] <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[15:43] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:43] <cpaelzer> Internal link
[15:43] <cpaelzer> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
[15:43] <cpaelzer> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
[15:43] <cpaelzer> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[15:43] <cpaelzer> sarnold: I see Mark E complete a lot, thanks to him
[15:43] <sarnold> yes :) he's been doing great
[15:43] <cpaelzer> sarnold: how do your reviews and further people joining you go on?
[15:43] <sarnold> we've also had good traction with the editorconfig-core upstream \o/
[15:43] <eslerm> thanks, I'll be joining these meetings from now on
[15:43] <sarnold> woot!
[15:44] <cpaelzer> 13 backlog, 1 todo, 4 in progress
[15:44] <sarnold> cpaelzer: I alas haven't started in on my most recent assigned review yet :( ccdm94 has started in on xdp-tools
[15:44] <cpaelzer> we today assigned a bunch of MIRs I'd expect 2-3 of them to land there as well
[15:45] <slyon> isc-kea is a big one in the security queue as of today. (but "only" needed for 23.10)
[15:45] <eslerm> iiuc, AlexB, Seth, and I are assigning out MIRs to other Security Team members this week
[15:45] <cpaelzer> so I'd expect at least an overall of 13+1+4+~3 = 22 for ~4 weeks
[15:45] <cpaelzer> I know in theory these can land after FF
[15:45] <cpaelzer> but let us strive for feature freeze - if we even plan for FFEs why have it in the first place
[15:45] <sarnold> slyon: but with such an important package it'd be nice to get more than one interim release on it before an lts
[15:46] <cpaelzer> thanks eslerm for assigning to others
[15:46] <cpaelzer> slyon: sarnold: which is what we will have 23.04 + 23.10 before 24.04
[15:46] <sarnold> anyway, I'm feeling more optimistic than usual :)
[15:46] <slyon> ack
[15:46] <cpaelzer> slyon: also kea is one of those where security will be happy as it should be better to keep secure than the alternative
[15:46] <cpaelzer> so there is extra motivation
[15:46] <cpaelzer> btw slyon thanks for the extra hints what to look at
[15:47] <cpaelzer> none of them are blockers, but they were great to be brought up
[15:47] <sarnold> and isc has been a good upstream for bind and ye olde dhcp packages
[15:47] <cpaelzer> sarnold: ok, so I hear you and eslerm rock and you will soon have Alex and others to tackle it as well
[15:47] <cpaelzer> that shall be enough for today I'd think
[15:47] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:48] <cpaelzer> nothing from me
[15:48] <sarnold> none here
[15:48] <didrocks> nothing for me
[15:48] <joalif> nothing
[15:48] <eslerm> same :)
[15:48] <slyon> nothing
[15:48] <cpaelzer> ok thank you, for discussions, for continuous reviews and for coordination here and in general
[15:48] <cpaelzer> if ever you feel bad do either of
[15:48] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[15:48] <cpaelzer> a) suggest improvements
[15:48] <cpaelzer> b) remember how it was before we stepped up and have driven it this way
[15:48] <cpaelzer> :-)
[15:48] <sarnold> :D
[15:48] <cpaelzer> see you all next week
[15:48] <joalif> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[15:49] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:49:00 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-01-24-15.29.moin.txt
[15:49] <slyon> thanks cpaelzer, all!
[15:49] <eslerm> bye all o/
[15:51] <didrocks> thanks! o/
[19:56]  * vorlon waves
[19:57] <rbasak> o/
[19:59] <amurray> morning :)
[19:59] <sarnold> :)
[20:00] <amurray> #startmeeting Ubuntu Technical Board
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[20:01] <seb128> hey
[20:01] <amurray> #topic Apologies
[20:02] <amurray> sil2100 emailed earlier to say he couldn't make it, but everyone else is here :)
[20:02] <amurray> #topic Action review
[20:02] <amurray> ACTION: (everyone) review the Ubuntu Backports Team Charter for ratification
[20:03] <seb128> I sent an email about that on the list since I'm a bit confused by what we need to review exactly?
[20:03] <rbasak> Maybe I can try to explain my perspective now
[20:03] <seb128> please
[20:04] <rbasak> It's been brought up in a few different places that it would be helpful to have better documentation about exactly what is delegated by TB to other teams.
[20:04] <rbasak> The DMB, release and archive teams' "undocumented delegations" have been been brought up in the past couple of years for separate reasons.
[20:05] <rbasak> When we resurrected the backporters team, I thought it'd be helpful to have a similar text, and I suggested that in the original resurrection thread on ubuntu-devel@
[20:05] <rbasak> Well, the text. Not specifically that it should be formalised at I thought that premature at the time.
[20:05] <rbasak> In time, I suggested this to the backporters team, and it turned out that they were working on some similar text.
[20:06] <rbasak> But their (specifically ddstreet's) idea of what that should be differed from mine.
[20:07] <rbasak> They wanted to have text to define what I consider to be their "internal" operations. IMHO, the details of how they do things should be up to them, and the TB should leave teams to "get on with it" with minimal interference. Therefore, that stuff does not need to be and should not be ratified by the TB.
[20:07] <rbasak> So the backporters team made that page empty, and moved their internal operations documentation elsewhere.
[20:07] <rbasak> But, I still think it would be useful to have some text that defines the team's responsibilities to the rest of the project. I think my original text is still appropriate for that.
[20:08] <rbasak> ddstreet disagreed in a TB thread. I'll find the link shortly.
[20:08] <rbasak> So that's the current status.
[20:08] <seb128> so where is your original text? and is that we need to review or does someone (who?) need to turn that into a proper document first?
[20:08] <rbasak> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2022-March/002620.html
[20:08] <amurray> Is it a requirement for the backporters team to have a charter at all for them to function?
[20:09] <rbasak> Here's the original text: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-July/041559.html
[20:09] <rbasak> Here's where I proposed that text to the backporters team: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2022-February/022687.html
[20:10] <rbasak> amurray: I got the impression that they preferred to have one, but I think what they wanted was IMHO more an internal thing and not a TB matter. I believe they're proceeding with their own internal documentation instead.
[20:11] <amurray> fwiw I think that your proposed text looks quite reasonable - I recall there was some objection to things like "making sure that all requests receive an appropriate answer in a reasonable amount of time" - but I can't really understand why
[20:11] <rbasak> The reason I want it is because I think it's a useful thing to have for all teams, and it's been an issue on a few different occasions that there isn't some text to refer to.
[20:12] <rbasak> I'd like for us to make progress in that direction, and because the backporters team resurrection was quite recent, I had that in mind and wrote it at the time, and in the original thread everyone seemed to agree with the text as I'd written it.
[20:13] <amurray> rbasak: to allow this to try and make some headway, how would you feel if we proposed to them your text from above but without the few bits that they objected to ("reasonable amount of time" etc)?
[20:15] <rbasak> Sure. I'm not sure how to do that without removing the text entirely. I'm disappointed that they seemed unable to make any kind of counterproposal or propose any edits to my text. But if we can make progress that way, then sure. I'm not precious about my precise text. But...
[20:15] <rbasak> ...most of what I wrote there were specifically about what failed with the backporters team previously which led to the need for it to be resurrected.
[20:15] <rbasak> Like reviews were piling up and not being done in a reasonable amount of time - hence that bit of my text.
[20:16] <seb128> one issue is that a such statement isn't really helping in resolving the issue if that's due to lack of manpower
[20:17] <rbasak> And some people who happened to have suitable privilege were then bypassing the previous backports review process, which I think is really bad procedurally because I don't want to see any part of the archive becoming de-facto exclusive like that.
[20:17] <seb128> you can't really force a volunteers' based team to commit to be able to be responsive
[20:18] <rbasak> seb128: sure. but if they don't have the manpower and that means they can't meet their responsibilties, then the matter *should* be escalated to the TB to decide what needs to be done about it, and so it's entirely appropriate to identify that they aren't meeting their responsiblities. So it's right to have that in the text.
[20:19] <rbasak> But yes, as volunteers, we can't hold them to it, and I am definitely not seeking to blame individuals should such a case arise again.
[20:20] <rbasak> To take another example, let's say that community-contributed SRUs stopped getting processed entirely.
[20:20] <rbasak> In favour of Canonical-priority SRUs only, with the SRU team currently happening to be entirely Canonical-staffed.
[20:20] <rbasak> That would be a matter for the TB to intervene in, IMHO.
[20:21] <rbasak> So it would be right for the TB to say that the SRU team has that responsibility.
[20:21] <amurray> rbasak: sure but even if does get escalated to the TB, I am not sure there is a lot we can do about it - we are unlikely to be able to find more volunteers to get more resources for the team
[20:21] <rbasak> Even though the SRU team is currently staffed entirely by Canonical-employee "volunteers" as far as the Ubuntu project is concerned.
[20:21] <seb128> right, explained like that it makes sense to me
[20:22] <rbasak> amurray: sure. Then it'd go back to my original thread, where I proposed to acknowledge that and officially sunset the backports pocket.
[20:22] <seb128> but do we need that written down for the TB to be able to exercice that right anyway?
[20:22] <rbasak> With hindsight, I think it would have helped.
[20:22] <seb128> I think that's a project level expectation that the TB take action to fix any of the non working teams
[20:22] <rbasak> In the case of the backports pocket, there were multiple previous posts to ubuntu-devel@ and it dragged on for years.
[20:23] <seb128> well it would have been in the power of anyone to bring the topic to the TB
[20:23] <rbasak> Had the text been there presently, I think there would have been far less friction in a TB escalation and intervention much earlier.
[20:24] <seb128> right, it could help to make people more entitled to raise up the issue to the TB
[20:24] <rbasak> For example, we had people volunteering to do backports review, but the backporters team admins were absent.
[20:24] <seb128> not that the lack of such statement would personally stop me, but I see how it might be different for others
[20:24] <rbasak> I think it would have been easier for those volunteers to say "look, based on this text the team weren't meeting their responsibilities, and I'm volunteering, so..."
[20:25] <seb128> right
[20:25] <rbasak> I hope that explains my reasoning.
[20:25] <seb128> thanks for the explanation, and I think that seen from that angle it makes sense
[20:25] <rbasak> Anyway, I'd appreciate any help in breaking the current impasse.
[20:25] <rbasak> But I think it needs other TB members to get involved in that thread.
[20:26] <amurray> yep I agree with all your points rbasak but I think we need to find some way forward here - I'll see if I can draft something which is a little less "SLA"-like and send it to the backporters team
[20:26] <seb128> I think it would help if you posted the proposal again so we have a logical/recent base to reply to
[20:26] <rbasak> amurray: please! I'd appreciate that.
[20:26] <seb128> amurray, +1 from me
[20:27] <amurray> #action amurray to propose amended Ubuntu Backporters Team Charter
[20:27] <meetingology> ACTION: amurray to propose amended Ubuntu Backporters Team Charter
[20:27] <rbasak> Thanks!
[20:27] <amurray> ACTION: rbasak to finalize third-party seeded snap security policy
[20:27] <rbasak> I continue to work on this.
[20:27] <rbasak> A couple of requests.
[20:28] <rbasak> seb128: could you please help draft an exception to the "must build on all architectures" requirement for snaps in the case of non- desktop support for specific architectures? I think you might best understand what that should look like.
[20:28] <seb128> rbasak, yes
[20:29] <rbasak> Thanks!
[20:29] <seb128> #action seb128 to help draft an exception to the "must build on all architectures" requirement for snaps
[20:29] <meetingology> ACTION: seb128 to help draft an exception to the "must build on all architectures" requirement for snaps
[20:30] <amurray> thanks
[20:30] <rbasak> And second, I'd like some help with writing a description of how snaps work wrt. the store and the Ubuntu-specific tracks, which I'm not sure I fully understand. In this section: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1apUKR4gtOrfPGCWmtoebaQUhoy-fG8Cyo3VKJyhnpD0/edit#bookmark=id.tbw4pletjt3g
[20:30] <seb128> I could help with that as well, unless amurray wants to do it :)
[20:31] <rbasak> Thanks. What I mean for example is that for example on 22.04 firefox tracks latest/stable/ubuntu-22.04, and I think that's the mechanism that implements some of the requirements, and we should document how that occurs.
[20:31] <rbasak> Meanwhile I'll continue cleaning up the rest of the feedback. I just got stuck on those two so far.
[20:31] <amurray> I can try help but having not used branches much before I may not be as knowledgable - but I can certainly try and propose something if needed
[20:33] <rbasak> sil2100 might also be able to help with this one, but he's not here right now.
[20:34] <seb128> #action seb128/amurray/sil200 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage
[20:34] <meetingology> ACTION: seb128/amurray/sil200 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage
[20:34] <amurray> hehe thanks seb (I wasn't sure on who to assign that to)
[20:34] <seb128> :)
[20:34] <seb128> I will try to own it but will welcome input from you and Lukasz
[20:34] <amurray> thank you
[20:35] <amurray> rbasak: do we still need a general action in the minutes around the policy as a whole?
[20:35] <amurray> or do you want to wait until these two new actions make some headway?
[20:36] <rbasak> amurray: I think maybe we should have a general topic for us to discuss any blockers, and just those specific actions for now? We can clean all the others up.
[20:37] <amurray> #action rbasak to raise any on-going blockers with third-party seeded snap security policy
[20:37] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to raise any on-going blockers with third-party seeded snap security policy
[20:37] <rbasak> +1 thanks
[20:37] <amurray> ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which x-nox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[20:37] <amurray> sil2100 is out so lets carry this over
[20:37] <amurray> #action sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which x-nox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[20:37] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which x-nox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[20:37] <amurray> ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[20:38] <rbasak> Still pending - carry over please.
[20:38] <amurray> #action rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[20:38] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[20:38] <rbasak> (I expect to carry for a while, until the third party repo requirements block on me less)
[20:38] <amurray> ACTION: amurray to figure out next steps to improve TB processes previously discussed - and to figure out what the previous discussion was about
[20:39] <amurray> ok so looking back over the history, this was raised by Fallen from the community team - wanting a way for the community to be able to follow long with the longer term work of the TB
[20:39] <amurray> it was suggested to use a separate LP project with bugs to track each of the work items
[20:40] <amurray> I notice there is already a techboard project on LP, and this has only ever had a single bug reported against it - so I wonder if we could just reuse that - and as far as a process for this...
[20:40] <rbasak> Right. IIRC we were all happy with that, but it needed some effort from someone to set up all the details.
[20:40] <rbasak> Yeah, and that was mentioned too.
[20:40] <amurray> My suggestion would be to have a bug for each longer term item in the agenda - how we decide what meets this "longer term" criteria is uncertain though - but this would give a way for anyone to see what is happening more easily and to subscribe to bugs for the project etc to get notified of new items
[20:41] <rbasak> Oh I didn't know about the techboard project actually
[20:41] <rbasak> We also have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs with the idea that bugs could be assigned to ~techboard. But it turns out not everyone can do that.
[20:42] <vorlon> in previous TB meeting I believe we agreed to move to a project to solve the problem of assigning bugs under ubuntu-community
[20:42] <vorlon> but the execution was lacking
[20:42] <rbasak> I guess we could re-use the techboard project then, rather than create a new one/
[20:43] <rbasak> ?
[20:43] <amurray> sure, one less hurdle
[20:43] <vorlon> that would be nice
[20:43] <rbasak> It looks like we own it, so no ACL issues
[20:44] <amurray> regarding the question of which items qualify for LP bug tracking, how about we said something like 'if an item is carried over more than twice then a LP bug should be created in the techboard LP project to track this work'?
[20:44] <vorlon> +1
[20:45] <rbasak> Sure
[20:45] <rbasak> Sounds like third party repo requirements needs tracking
[20:46] <rbasak> As well as my DMB inactivity expiration policy item
[20:46] <amurray> +1
[20:47] <seb128> +1
[20:47] <amurray> one final detail - should we stipulate that the meeting chair creates these bugs or the owner of the action item?
[20:47] <amurray> (perhaps it doesn't matter but I think making the process clear is useful)
[20:48] <amurray> I personally prefer saying the meeting chair should, since they will already be updating the agenda wiki page
[20:48] <seb128> I would prefer the item owner, that's probably the person understand best the details
[20:48] <seb128> sorry :p
[20:48] <seb128> +who
[20:48] <rbasak> I have no strong opinion.
[20:49] <vorlon> seb128's response makes sense to me
[20:49] <rbasak> If you wanted, you could make it a separate action item - then the task could be assigned easily at the time.
[20:49] <amurray> hehe no worries - I don't feel strongly either way either really I just prefer to have something written down, otherwise its too easier to have things fall through the cracks
[20:49] <amurray> rbasak: do you mean a standing action item in the agenda?
[20:50] <rbasak> No, I mean add an action like "amurray to create the <x> bug"
[20:50] <rbasak> But seb128's answer also works, if everyone's happy with that.
[20:50] <rbasak> And would be less admin.
[20:50] <amurray> yeah lets go with that
[20:50] <amurray> (ie seb128's proposal)
[20:51] <amurray> #action rbasak to create initial bugs against the LP techboard project to track third party repo and DMB expiration policies
[20:51] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to create initial bugs against the LP techboard project to track third party repo and DMB expiration policies
[20:51] <rbasak> ack
[20:51] <amurray> thanks
[20:52] <amurray> ACTION: vorlon to reply to the Edubuntu ML thread with a description of what we need from Erich before we can proceed.
[20:52] <vorlon> carry-over, sorry.  I'll try to get that done this week
[20:52] <amurray> #action vorlon to reply to the Edubuntu ML thread with a description of what we need from Erich before we can proceed.
[20:52] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to reply to the Edubuntu ML thread with a description of what we need from Erich before we can proceed.
[20:52]  * Eickmeyer is biting at the bit
[20:52] <amurray> ACTION: sil2100 to follow up with the release team to establish consensus on Joshua's official flavour status for Cinammon.
[20:52] <amurray> carry-over
[20:53] <amurray> #action sil2100 to follow up with the release team to establish consensus on Joshua's official flavour status for Cinammon.
[20:53] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to follow up with the release team to establish consensus on Joshua's official flavour status for Cinammon.
[20:53] <amurray> ACTION: vorlon to request change of the meeting weeks for the TB meeting starting February
[20:53] <amurray> I recall we discussed this last time?
[20:53] <vorlon> I think this was just pushed so that I wouldn't break the calendar confusingly before today's meeting
[20:53] <vorlon> so I'll push the next meeting out a week on the calendar
[20:53] <rbasak> +1
[20:53] <amurray> thanks
[20:54] <amurray> #action vorlon to push the next meeting out a week in the calendar
[20:54] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to push the next meeting out a week in the calendar
[20:54] <vorlon> (done)
[20:54] <amurray> oh thanks
[20:54] <amurray> #undo
[20:54] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:54] <amurray> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[20:54] <vorlon> this is why we need to get fresh blood on the TB from time to time, I had no idea there was an #undo command :P
[20:55] <amurray> :)
[20:55] <rbasak> What, you mean you don't read the instructions you get given every time you chair? :-P
[20:55] <amurray> the main thing here that I saw was the xubuntu minimal image announcement from vorlon - so other than now being aware of this, does the TB have to officially ack this? I thought it was more an informational thing
[20:56] <rbasak> I think we agreed it's just an informational thing.
[20:56] <vorlon> I believe the agreement was that this was informational
[20:56] <rbasak> Unless an individual TB member has any objection.
[20:56] <amurray> nice - sounds like there is no objection :)
[20:56] <rbasak> (or someone else escalates one I suppose)
[20:56] <rbasak> :)
[20:57] <amurray> #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[20:57] <amurray> nothing new here
[20:57] <rbasak> This standing item might need to change with the new bug system
[20:57] <amurray> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[20:57] <rbasak> But that can wait I guess
[20:57] <amurray> rbasak: tag you're it :)
[20:57] <rbasak> ack
[20:57] <amurray> #topic AOB
[20:59] <amurray> last call?
[20:59] <vorlon> nothing here
[20:59] <seb128> nothing from me
[20:59] <amurray> no worries
[20:59] <rbasak> Nothing from me.
[20:59] <amurray> #endmeeting
[20:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 20:59:35 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-01-24-20.00.moin.txt
[20:59] <rbasak> Thank you for chairing a very well timed meeting :-)
[20:59] <amurray> thanks folks
[21:00] <amurray> hehe I was watching the clock :)
[21:00] <seb128> thanks!
[21:00] <vorlon> thanks, all
[23:40] <Fallen> Thanks for following up on that action item about the LP project :)


[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[15:35] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all on Monday again! :)
[15:36] <belkinsa> See ya, dholbach!
[16:29] <jose> dpm: hey, I submitted a CDF request for UbuConLA, I don't know if it can get checked, please? :)
[16:30] <dpm> jose, ah, we looked at it this week and we gave it the +1, but let me double-check
[16:30] <mhall119> jose: dpm did you let msm know we +1'd those?
[16:31] <dpm> mhall119, no, let me e-mail her
[16:31] <jose> that was it then :)
[18:30] <philipballew> happy friday!
[18:30] <belkinsa> \o/
[18:31] <belkinsa> And philipballew  are you still a mod of the Ubuntu Leadership ML?
[18:32] <philipballew> belkinsa, Unless something has changed I probably am.
[18:32] <philipballew> how can I help?
[18:33] <belkinsa> I was just wondering, since it's you and me now as mods.
[18:33] <philipballew> belkinsa, oh nice!
[18:34] <philipballew> seems good to me.
[18:35] <belkinsa> The team is under my lead now and it's rebooted.
[18:35] <belkinsa> it = as in the team
[18:36] <philipballew> belkinsa, Well if you need any basic mod things done to it, I can do a little every so often for sure.
[18:37] <philipballew> contact me anyway that works best for you.
[18:37] <pleia2> I still log in from time to time to do admin tasks as needed, happy to continue (unless you changed the password again)
[18:38] <belkinsa_> pleia2, I do the same but it's quiet on the mod side of things
[18:38]  * pleia2 nods


[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[17:54] <pleia2> jose: a link to the applications in the blog post would be ++ too :)
[17:54] <jose> doing that now
[17:54]  * pleia2 is very happy to see the blog post though! and twitter!
[17:54] <pleia2> nice work
[18:09] <jose> thanks :)
[18:10] <jose> updated now
[18:51] <jedijf> nice work everyone
[18:51] <jedijf> especially the press....thanks lyz
[18:51] <jedijf> have pink camera; do travel


[00:00] <ball> pfred1: JoeBlacken Sometimes you can just specify that on the command line (or menu option) that launches a program.
[00:00] <ball> ...using "-geometry"
[00:01] <ball> oops
[00:01]  * ball wanders off in search of some daps.
[00:07] <JoeBlacken> heoyea, yes I tried and it worked, however, there is only one issue, is that everytime I add a configuration for an application, I have to stop and start the service, but it does work, thank you all
[00:07] <JoeBlacken> ball, thank you, I sure will need that soon
[00:09] <ball> JoeBlacken: You can have shell scripts for certain tasks or workflows, that spawn your selection of apps right where you want them.
[00:09] <ball> ...so that's nice.
[00:38] <xubuntu450> ?
[01:03] <genii> Hm.
[01:04] <Quix86> fix join spam pls
[01:08]  * genii sips
[01:34] <Dreki> Has anyone gotten pidgin-gfire from the gfire repo to work with xubuntu? I get a missing dependancy (libnotify)
[03:21] <toothpick> hello friends. i need some help with samba share on xubuntu
[03:21] <toothpick> is anyone available at the moment?
[03:23] <clear`> just ask
[03:31] <toothpick> clear, ok here goes
[03:31] <toothpick> i installed samba using apt
[03:31] <toothpick> and also install samba-config (allows me to add shares and users in one window which i really like)
[03:31] <|kira> Sooo.... is xfce going to gtk3?
[03:31] <toothpick> i can see my xubuntu server now in windows machines
[03:32] <toothpick> but, i dont think i configured the users correctly since i cannot access it
[03:32] <toothpick> from windows machines
[03:33] <|kira> I wish windows worked with sshfs... windows file sharing is soo convoluted.
[03:33] <clear`> ports setup?
[03:33] <clear`> file share, i always setup ftp's
[03:34] <toothpick> no this is a local server
[03:35] <toothpick> internet dhcp, and no router involved
[03:35] <clear`> what error do you get when you try to access it
[03:36] <toothpick> i get a prompt in windows to enter user name and password
[03:36] <toothpick> when i enter that, it just says login credentials incorrect. i am putting the right user name and password
[03:37] <toothpick> there is only 1 user right now on xubuntu
[05:35] <magic_ninja> Ìû
[06:12] <toothpick> yep
[06:18] <Aiena> How do I tell the printer to continue a print job in xubuntu when it runs out of paper ?
[08:07] <dougbb> I'm using the latest xubuntu and pidgin seems to have lost the ability to connect to servers on an IPv6 address
[08:07] <dougbb> any ideas what could be causing that?  Other services work fine on IPv6
[09:30] <xubuntu793> hi
[09:30] <xubuntu793> please help me
[09:32] <xubuntu793> == Xubuntu [~Xubuntu@ubuntu/member/noskcaj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[09:32] <xubuntu793> l
[09:32] <xubuntu793> onjnkjhjkgjhhfhpornjkjgjk
[09:39] <lderan> xubuntu793 what is your issue?
[09:40] <lderan> !ask
[10:55] <xubuntu313> Hello, i am attempting to install xubuntu 13.04 on an old compaq 6720s, it's only giving me errors back and i don't know what step to take next, anyone help?
[11:06] <xubuntu313> nobody reply?
[11:09] <baizon> xubuntu313: what errors?
[11:13] <xubuntu313> dev/sda errors, chroot errors
[11:13] <xubuntu313> right now i'm trying to install an earlier ubuntu version though and it seems to be working so far
[11:15] <TheDexter1111> whats with 13.10? is it ready?
[11:16] <xubuntu313> i tried it earlier and didn't have any luck
[11:17] <TheDexter1111> xubuntu313: fair enough
[11:18] <xubuntu313> TheDexter1111 No wait, i tried 13.04, sorry my misstake
[11:20] <elfy> TheDexter1111: works 'ok' there are some bugs - I've a shutdown issue, but it's not even reached alpha1 yet ;)
[11:22] <TheDexter1111> yeah, its a bit early to update
[11:23] <TheDexter1111> whats the major differences between them?
[11:23] <xubuntu313> this is very weird to me, my compaq 6720s accepts an older ubuntu version but not 13.04 xubuntu
[11:24] <Sysi> just run 12.04 LTS if it works
[11:24] <xubuntu313> could you link me to the download?
[11:27] <Sysi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04.2/release/
[11:29] <xubuntu313> Sysi thank you, which would you recommend for me to use? the normal PC (Intel x86) desktop CD or PC (Intel x86) alternate install CD
[11:30] <Sysi> desktop has graphical installer, alternate gives some custom options (that you're unlikely to use)
[11:30] <xubuntu313> Alright, thanks for the help
[13:13] <yurlmaz> bonjour
[14:38] <xubuntu596> Hi! this posible install xubuntu in tex mode? friend from forum can t use live from 13.4 , he have black screen with amd radeon hd7670m
[14:39] <Sysi> he should try nomodeset and xforcevesa boot options
[14:40] <xubuntu596> ok :)
[14:45] <xubuntu596> yyy Sysi nomodest is option in bootloader when I run from live-cd ?
[14:46] <elfy> xubuntu596: press any key when you see the man and keyboard at boot - F6 - you'll see some choices
[14:50] <xubuntu596> ok :)
[15:22] <xubuntu518> hi i install dconf-editor and i can see nothing in the table when i open to change something there ,what is that ?
[15:26] <brainwash> xubuntu518: you have to expand the entries in the left panel first, click on the ▶
[15:29] <xubuntu518> nothing happend in the right panel
[15:29] <xubuntu518> i expanded all
[16:33] <Aiena> is there a way to tell the printer to resume printing when it runs  out of paper in xubuntu 12.04?
[16:39] <ARM9> no way
[16:40] <ARM9> xubuntu 12.04 is just a few MB too big to fit on a CD rom
[16:41] <Unit193> 12.04?  That one should be CD sized.
[16:41] <Unit193> Aiena: Can't you just press the flashing button/power button/etc?
[16:42] <ARM9> that's what I thought
[16:42] <ARM9> apparently infrarecorder does not concur
[16:43] <Unit193> What size CD?  Did you check the md5sum to confirm it's good?
[16:44] <ARM9> ye olde regular run of the mill 700MB CD rom technology
[16:44] <ARM9> checksum is also good
[16:45] <ARM9> 12.04 is 707MB or such
[16:45] <Unit193> Hah, 64bit, right?
[16:45] <Unit193> Yep...
[16:45] <ARM9> yeah, let me guess, 32 bit version fits?
[16:45] <Unit193> Yep, but if you're good with the debian installer: xubuntu-12.04.2-alternate-amd64.iso         14-Feb-2013 00:25  651M
[16:46] <ARM9> oh lookielookie
[16:46] <Macuser> Hi. If the dhcp is reset on my Mac by going to sleep. Will that cause me not to be able to ssh to my Linux box?
[16:46] <Macuser> originally I ssh'ed from my Macbook Pro to my Linux desktop. Then I took the wificard out of my linux box and also closed my Mac laptop. Then the next morning, I opened my Mac laptop and also plugged the wificard back into the linux box and then I tried the same command and it didn't work
[16:46] <Macuser> Finally, it worked after I turned my wifi off and on again on my Mac. I'm not sure if that's why it started working again
[16:47] <Sysi> Macuser: you need to have network access on both computers and use a right IP address, you could maybe set your linux machine to use static IP
[16:48] <Macuser> but what about the hostname?
[16:49] <Sysi> I don't know about avahi's bonjour compability, IP is guaranteed to work, usually DHCP server gices same device same IP on reconnect
[16:49] <Macuser> the hostanme is always the same
[16:49] <Macuser> Like I sshed yesterday then it didn't work this morning then all of a sudden it worked again
[16:50] <ARM9> magic
[16:50] <Macuser> what's what someone else said. black voodoo magic
[16:52] <Macuser> any ideas?
[16:53] <ARM9> what sysi said
[16:54] <ARM9> never owned a mac so can't really chime in with anything here other than general networking
[16:55] <Macuser> I mean I don't understand why it would stop working. My only guess is because i took out the wificard then plugged it back in. But why would it stop working if the hostname is the same? And why would it start working again? Maybe it was because I turned the wifi off on my mac and then back on
[16:56] <koegs> as long as the wifi card on the linux box is working ok, there is no reason for ssh not to work
[16:57] <Macuser> yeah. I have no idea why it wasn't. It's kind of annoying
[16:58] <koegs> the ssh-daemon never stops, so it will immediately accept the connection as soon as the wifi is connected, i think the problem has to be found on the macbook
[16:59] <Macuser> I even reset the ssh with no luck
[17:05] <Sysi> whatever provides the hostname is the issue, ssh does no such thing
[17:05] <Aiena> Unit193 no my printer goes off if I press the power button and there is no other button. are you sure there is no way to tell cups to resume printing?
[17:06] <Unit193> Aiena: You check in http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/jobs/ ?
[17:07] <koegs> from experience and not a general thing: sometimes a dsl-router-box uses the hostname from the dhcp-client and then provides the IP via local dns, that may take some time
[17:10] <Aiena> Unit193 I have made a note of it will try it out next time I print.
[17:11] <Aiena> it is useful even for USB printers?
[17:11] <Unit193> Ours has one button, you press and hold/press it, not sure which. :P
[17:11] <Aiena> ok I haven't tried long presses thanks for the tip
[17:12] <Aiena> on windows the hp driver handles it with a desktop pop up
[17:13] <Aiena> driver and software
[17:13] <Unit193> I don't print often, so can't help much.
[17:13] <Aiena> ok
[17:15] <Sysi> isn't there applet in the notification area that lets you manage print jobs?
[17:15] <Aiena> but it does not detect that the printer has run out of paper
[17:16] <Aiena> or something like that
[17:16] <Aiena> it still shows processing but the printer indicator blinks red like expected.
[18:06] <dunpeal> Hi. How do I add a nameserver in Xubuntu 13.04?
[18:07] <dunpeal> In (Gnome) Ubuntu, I understand it's done through Network Manager, but I can't find the interface for Xubuntu.
[18:08] <brainwash> dunpeal: but xubuntu does also ship with the (gnome) network manager
[18:09] <Unit193> The little panel icon, or open it directly with  nm-connection-editor
[18:09] <dunpeal> OK, thanks, but it doesn't seem to work unfortunately
[18:10] <Unit193> what's  nm-tool   show for DNS?
[18:10] <dunpeal>     DNS:             <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:10] <dunpeal>     DNS:             <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:11] <dunpeal>     DNS:             <IP_ADDRESS>    DNS:             <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:12] <dunpeal> <IP_ADDRESS> is the one I want
[18:13] <dunpeal> Unit193: no idea what <IP_ADDRESS> is
[19:20] <max_> hi peeps!!
[19:20] <max_> Im a newbie to Linux! How's everyone?!
[19:20] <pleia2> !hi
[19:20] <pleia2> :)
[19:21] <max_> pleia2, Hi
[19:21] <pleia2> max_: this is a support channel so please feel free to just go ahead and ask questions (regular chat is over in #xubuntu-offtopic)
[19:21] <max_> I've just installed Xubuntu xfce onto an old crappy laptop! hehe
[19:22] <max_> pleia2, actually Ive got a question: How do you change drive in Terminal. dont seem to be working for me :-(
[19:23] <pleia2> max_: I'm actually at work so I can't help much now, you should ask the whole channel :) but it will help to know what you mean by "change drive"
[19:23]  * pleia2 back2work
[19:23] <max_> lol
[19:24] <max_> Actually Ive got a question people please : How do you change drive in Terminal. dont seem to be working for me :-(
[19:24] <Sysi> what do you mean "change drive"?
[19:26] <max_> not only change directory cd but completely change drive
[19:27] <genii> max_: Linux doesn't use the idea of C: D: E:  and so on like Windows does. There is one filsystem that starts everything called the root or /    then all else are inside directories below that. So that a USB drive you plug in is attached to something like /media/USB-name/      and so on like this.
[19:27] <max_> ok so if I want to access my sd card >> ?
[19:28] <Sysi> cd /media/[press tab twice]
[19:29] <max_> what does pressing tab twice do?
[19:30] <genii> max_: Tab key does autocomplete ... soo it should tell you the devices it sees under the /media directory. The sdcard should have some name in there, if it's plugged in.
[19:31] <max_> Oh I see!
[19:31] <genii> ( the name it has will vary by manufacturer or the name it was given when formatted, etc)
[19:31] <max_> clever!! but what if it sees more than one?
[19:32] <Sysi> try to choose the right one
[19:32] <max_> touble is if I do: sudo fdisk -l it gives me my sd card with the name:  mmcblk0p1
[19:32] <max_> how do I access that?
[19:32] <Sysi> run "mount"
[19:32] <Sysi> it tells path where it's mounted
[19:34] <max_> OK I tell you what Ive done, Ive downloaded an image of a version of linux I need to run on my raspberry pi, unzipped it with 7zip, then dd to the sd card but now I would like to actually access it from the sd card o maybe boot from it. How can I?
[19:37] <max_> I'm following this tutorial >> http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/debian-wheezy-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/  but only done the 2 first steps. Stuck now :-(
[19:38] <max_> any help?
[19:40] <Sysi> if you type cd /media and press tab few times, do you get anything?
[19:41] <Sysi> does *anything* happen
[19:46] <nantou> terminal and htop
[19:46] <nantou> there are like 5 processes all named java dnetworkadress.cache.ttl=0  that I cannot shut. I mean, I press f9 and confirm, but those processes never die, It consumes 90% of my cpu
[19:47] <nantou> -enableassertions freenet appears at the end of the lines
[20:14] <max_> Sysi, sorry was on the phone
[20:14] <max_> Sysi, yeah it says max$   ?!?!
[20:17] <max_> Sysi, is that good?
[20:17] <Sysi> ehm, does it suggest your username or not anything?
[20:18] <nikolam> anyone have some IP telephone switchbox active? (asterisk) so I can try out one VOIP hardware phone? :P
[20:18] <ur0pl> does xubuntu automatically boot ntfs external drives
[20:18] <ur0pl> or do i need some different configuration?
[20:19] <ur0pl> cause it aint working
[20:19] <nikolam> ur0pl, search synaptic for ntfs
[20:19] <nikolam> as I recollect, you set it up in gui, to mount it
[20:20] <max_> Sysi, it just suggests  /max
[20:21] <Sysi> max_: if you keep pressing tab, does it suggest snything more?
[20:22] <max_> hang on
[20:22] <max_> nah
[20:23] <Sysi> I'd guess your card isn't mounted, plug it out and back in
[20:23] <max_> already tried that > nothing happened
[20:26] <ur0pl> it would be nice if it could auto amount
[20:27] <ur0pl> is there a gui that helps browse a windows share folder?
[20:29] <ur0pl> it is even fat 32
[20:29] <ur0pl> wtf
[20:29] <ur0pl> and it does not auto mount?
[20:29] <ur0pl> my usb flash drive auto amounts
[20:29] <ur0pl> but this doesn't?
[20:30] <ur0pl> i'm going to #ubuntu
[20:31] <max_> dunno, :-(
[22:03] <Aiena> When I lock a screen all downloads and apps continue to run or do they stop?
[22:03] <genii> Aiena: They continue.
[22:03] <Aiena> thanks
[22:04] <Aiena> so I can lock my screen go to sleep and let downloads continue thats good :)
[22:04] <Aiena> thanls for the answer
[23:26] <lobi_> hello, whene i triying to open a fiel or folder it'c automaticaly log mm out
[23:26] <lobi_> can someone help me please
[23:27] <holstein> lobi_: opepning what? where? and how?
[23:33] <lobi_> holstein: if i click od file or folder to oepn it
[23:34] <David-A> lobi_: is it the same if you login as guest?
[23:35] <lobi_> David-A: didn't try yet
[23:35] <lobi_> I check temp
[23:35] <holstein> lobi_: try as guest..
[23:36] <lobi_> acpi -t
[23:36] <lobi_> Thermal 0: ok, 55.0 degrees C
[23:36] <lobi_> Thermal 1: ok, 33.5 degrees C
[23:36] <lobi_> Thermal 2: ok, 54.0 degrees C
[23:36] <lobi_> Thermal 3: ok, 63.0 degrees C
[23:36] <lobi_> Thermal 4: active, 65.0 degrees C
[23:36] <lobi_> but it is ok
[23:36] <lobi_> i will try as guest now
[23:44] <lobi_> holstein: as guest is OK
[23:44] <lobi_> ls
[23:46] <lobi_> i also over and over agin get a crach report detected
[23:47] <lobi_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpufreqd/+bug/1190389


[05:57] <Whix> hey hey anyone ears up
[06:07] <Whix> anyone ear up for iwlwifi
[07:19] <rymate1234> welp
[07:20] <rymate1234> I am seriously regretting my decision not to upgrade to 13.10
[08:19] <hachre> rymate1234: so why arent you upgrading now?
[08:20] <rymate1234> wait i misphrased that
[08:20] <rymate1234> I'm regretting my decision to upgrade to it
[08:23] <rymate1234> In order for my wireless card to work, a usb adaptor based upon the RealTek 8188cus chip, I needed to install a driver from https://code.google.com/p/realtek-8188cus-wireless-drivers-3444749-ubuntu-1304/
[08:23] <rymate1234> however the kernel module doesn't compile under 13.10
[08:26] <hachre> damn
[08:26] <hachre> I have had a problem like that too
[08:27] <hachre> ended up compiling my own vanilla kernel and compiling the module as well
[08:27] <rymate1234> yeah
[08:27] <rymate1234> problem is without that module I can only connect to unprotected wifi points
[08:27] <rymate1234> and there aren't any near me
[08:28] <hachre> sucks
[08:29] <rymate1234> I'll just wait for an update for that .deb package
[08:29] <rymate1234> or invest in a new adaptor
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:10] <Captain_Proton> Where do I find ubuntuone-indicator for 13.10
[15:21] <FundyChristian> !ops | Attention everyone! if you dont REPENT GOD WILL KILL YOU and SEND YOU TO HELL!
[18:57] <Shipp> hey everyone I have a problem with ubuntu 13.10 booted into windows 8 which i hate to do but had to for work anyways when i went back to boot into ubuntu it is stuck on the splash screen and help would be great.
[19:08] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | Shipp
[19:08] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, I assume here you have a oem W8 and it is uefi
[19:10] <Shipp> yes been running ubuntu on it for long time
[19:10] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, I assume you know 13.10 is in development as well.
[19:10] <genii> Everyone needs to move to coreboot
[19:10] <Shipp> yes i know
[19:11] <Shipp> it was fine till i went into windows and then back again
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, So what is your definition of stuck at the splash screen?
[19:11] <Shipp> been using 13.10 for about a week after it came out
[19:11] <Shipp> well
[19:12] <Shipp> the screen that has ubuntu on it with the cirles that do like a count down
[19:12] <Shipp> make sense
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, It would except for the vague nature of it. So you had saucy working fine and now its not?
[19:13] <Shipp> yes correct
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, this is probably beyond any efficient fix by me, I hate to waste our time, I want breakfast. ;) If ot were me and a fix was longer then a reinstall I would reinstall.
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> it*
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> or load the clones I always make
[19:17] <Shipp> i think i seen a error something like lightdm fail
[19:18] <Shipp> cant go to forums as we know they are down
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, Yeah you can turn off the splash from the grub menu and see the text.
[19:19] <Shipp> yes i did that
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> I figured you probably had
[19:21] <Shipp> guess that will teach me to boot into windows
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, Should not be a problem in general, I have W8 and 3 linux on one HD, but all msdos no uefi.
[19:26] <Shipp> oh i know i have it on 3 laptops and all are running ubuntu and windows 8
[19:27] <Shipp> i did do a update right before i left ubuntu
[19:27] <Shipp> so i think that may have had something to do with it
[19:28] <Shipp> and google is no help it wants to take me to answers on the forums lol
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, Was there a kernel update I saw one a couple of days ago I think, not sure if relevant but you might try the various kernels still there.
[19:30] <Shipp> i did
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, So in text it must stop somewhere.
[19:31] <Shipp> yes it does
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> Shipp, generally that is a key, can you share that with the channel if it is relevant.
[19:32] <Shipp> hmm let me boot into it on that laptop and i will share one sec
[19:34] <Shipp> ok last few lines are
[19:35] <Shipp> lightdm display manager      (fail)
[19:35] <Shipp> send event to indoicator  ( fail)
[19:35] <Shipp> mount netwrok ok
[19:35] <Shipp> samba ok
[19:36] <Shipp> stopping light dm display manager
[19:36] <Shipp> that is where it stops
[19:37] <Ampelbein> Shipp: What's in /var/log/xorg.log?
[19:37] <Shipp> yes
[19:37] <Ampelbein> Actually it's called Xorg.0.log
[19:38] <Shipp> i do not see that log
[19:39] <Ampelbein> Shipp: You have no /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:39] <Shipp> where is it located should it show in this text
[19:43] <Ampelbein> Shipp: It should be on your laptop, in the /var/log directory, named Xorg.0.log . You can also check the /var/log/lightdm for logfiles and errors.
[19:43] <Shipp> all i did was hit Esc on the splash screen to get to this text
[19:44] <Ampelbein> nvm me.
[19:47] <Shipp> prolly be faster to do a reinstall
[20:23] <Friberg> Soo, Just upgraded all packages on my system. X says it can't find my settings and that I need to configure them manually..  The message is : "The system is running in low-graphics mode", "Your screen, graphics card and input devices could not be detected correctly. You need to configure these yourself."
[20:28] <Friberg> I guess this OS still doesn't support 6 monitor setup, nor Radeon HD-cards..
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> I would love to have 2
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> and you have 6