[00:15] <bluesabre> Unit193: will probably try to get x-d-s in today or tomorrow
[00:15] <Unit193> If there's no additions, I mean I could "sponsor" it for you.
[00:16] <Unit193> I'd like to help any way I can.
[00:16] <bluesabre> I don't imagine that there are
[00:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: Feel free to go ahead and upload
[00:27] <bluesabre> The onboard defaults are quite terrible :D
[00:28] <Unit193> Truth, but alas I don't use it.
[00:33] <Unit193> E: xubuntu-default-settings: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/share/xubuntu/templates/xdg-xubuntu-templates
[00:43] <Unit193> All the freedesktop.org spec links are dead. :D
[00:44] <bluesabre> oh noooo
[00:50] <Unit193> I may have changed other things. :>
[00:52] <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/changes
[00:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r637 Run wrap-and-sort -s (by Unit 193)
[00:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r638 * d/control, d/copyright, etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/compton.conf,... (by Unit 193)
[00:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r639 Bump Standards-Version to 4.1.0. (by Unit 193)
[00:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r640 Release 17.10.0. (by Unit 193)
[00:56] <bluesabre> Unit193 is quite handy
[00:57] <Unit193> \o/
[00:57] <krytarik> Unit193: "Vcs-Browser: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/" gets you to the '/changes' though.
[00:57] <Unit193> I'm aware.
[01:03] <Unit193> krytarik: That's where the default goes to, so may as well use it.  Seen the same in Debian packages.
[01:03] <Unit193> (And I'd presume Debian people use those fields more than Ubuntu.)
[01:24] <bluesabre> Trying to file an ubiquity bug, but ubiquity keeps restarting before the report is complete :(
[01:26] <bluesabre> or maybe it's lightdm restarting
[01:27] <Unit193> syslog should have error output, and /var/log/installer/*
[01:27] <bluesabre> the whole vm freezes for a few minutes before restarting
[01:32] <bluesabre> round 2
[01:33] <bluesabre> Apparently not going to happen this time :\
[01:33] <Unit193> Ubiquity is a bit...
[01:33] <bluesabre> "majestic"
[01:41] <bluesabre> Unable to reproduce :(
[02:07] <bluesabre> x-d-s already made it in, saw it in my iso testing :D
[02:42] <bluesabre> There's more changes in artful than I thought, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25429394/
[02:45] <bluesabre> (though mostly minor)
[02:45] <bluesabre> done testing for now, night all
[07:42] <AceHW> Hey
[07:42] <AceHW> Anybody there?
[07:43] <Unit193> Not at 4am. :P
[07:44] <AceHW> Ok. Have a nice day/night
[07:45] <Unit193> (Wrong channel.)
[07:53] <AceHW> Why is xubuntu bigger than a CD when it's so close that it should be able to shave off just enough to fit?
[07:54] <knome> because there simply isn't a way to fit it
[07:54] <AceHW> Isn't there?
[07:54] <knome> it's been discussed in length before
[07:54] <AceHW> I'd like to know how puppy xenial is much smaller than a CD
[07:55] <knome> probably because it doesn't include nearly as much stuff as xubuntu?
[07:55] <knome> and i'd imagine it downloads most of the packages from the internet during installation
[07:55] <AceHW> it's pretty useful offline
[07:56] <knome> the xubuntu ISO isn't
[07:56] <AceHW> I only use it offline
[07:56] <AceHW> Ok
[07:56] <knome> err, useless :P
[07:56] <knome> anyway... feel free to try it yourself.
[07:56] <knome> but i'll tell you chances are you will fail
[07:57] <knome> again, this has been discussed in length before
[07:57] <AceHW> ok
[07:57] <Unit193> Dropping fonts-noto-cjk or whatever would lose about 100MB uncompressed. :P
[07:57] <AceHW> Thanks. See ya.
[07:57] <AceHW> What's that do?
[07:57] <knome> add support to chinese etc. languages for the noto font
[07:58] <knome> cjk as in chinese, japanese, korean, but i'm not sure if it actually does more than that
[07:58] <knome> we'd still be around 400MB too large.
[07:59] <AceHW> it's been a while since I looked at xubuntu size
[07:59] <Unit193> Dropping LO would likely do it. :P
[07:59] <knome> it's around 1.2GB
[08:00] <Unit193> knome: Just drop all the langpacks and -cjk, etc.  That'd likely help a bit! ;)
[08:01] <knome> with the ISO size, not appealing to a bigger variety of users :P
[08:01] <knome> but meh, yeah, the languages
[08:01] <knome> not that i think we are going to fit on a CD anyway, but maybe we could do without those
[08:01] <knome> without the fonts not so sure
[08:01] <AceHW> My apologies. I'll talk to Lubuntu ppl. It seems more likely to get it to fit on a CD
[08:02] <knome> you can use the minimal ISO if you want to fit on a cd...
[08:02] <AceHW> I need offline
[08:02] <knome> pretty sure they have discussed it as well
[08:02] <Unit193> They're already using --no-install-recommends, which tends to break stuff.
[08:02] <knome> and fitting on a CD is unlikely being the primary goal of any distro
[08:02] <knome> it'd be nice but...
[08:03] <AceHW> I talked to a lubuntu guy. Apparently it is for the new guy.
[08:04] <AceHW> If your distro is meant to be usable on the oldest comps that are still usable, CD size is King.
[08:05] <knome> heh.
[08:05] <knome> okay, sure
[08:05] <Unit193> And Xubuntu isn't aiming for that.  Oldest thing I run it on is 2004, I wouldn't aim lower than that.
[08:05] <knome> define usable...
[08:05] <knome> and plop
[08:05] <knome> and the minimal CD...
[08:05] <knome> i know he said he needs offline but...
[08:05] <knome> i guess he should stick with puppy xenial :P
[08:05] <Unit193> Plop is a workaround, mini isn't fun (sloooow.)
[08:06] <knome> everything is a workaround :P
[08:06] <Unit193> No?
[08:06] <knome> :P
[08:06] <Unit193> Anywho, still wouldn't aim lower than '04.
[08:07] <knome> i wouldn't aim lower than 2017 >__<
[08:07] <knome> but yes... that's not the official statement
[08:07] <knome> that said, i still want to use xubuntu...
[10:06] <bluesabre> iirc, Even dropping LO wouldn't do it... I think we picked up LO because we were already over and it was nice to have
[10:17] <flexiondotorg> akxwi-dave Just checking in to see how testing is going for 17.10 Beta 1?
[10:29] <akxwi-dave> flexiondotorg:  not too bad at moment.. a few niggling bugs, but nothing that will kill it..  apartf rom the Gnome Software bug on  i386, which is a killer... but I see that a fix has been donefor that
[10:50] <flocculant> and obviously the everpresent no-one cares about non_US keymaps when installing encrypt
[10:50]  * flocculant fails an encrypt install
[10:52] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: will have a bit of time tonight - will catch up the release note
[10:53] <flocculant> bluesabre's paste of changes helps :D
[10:53] <bluesabre> yay
[10:54] <flocculant> ha ha
[10:54] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: LOL .. thats why when testing the encryt i just use numbers and letters.. that way it works.. :-)
[10:54] <flocculant> going to have to deal with vbox as well :(
[10:54] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: lol - should still fail it :D
[10:54] <bluesabre> I couldn't get the iso to boot with kvm, had to go back to vbox
[10:55] <bluesabre> I feel like we switch back and forth with virt each cycle
[10:55] <flocculant> I can boot them from command line
[10:55] <flocculant> kvm -m 2048 -cdrom /mnt/Data/iso/Xubuntu/17.10/artful-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:55] <flocculant> boots live only
[10:55] <flocculant> sudo kvm -m 2048 -boot menu=on  -cdrom /mnt/Data/iso/Xubuntu/17.10/artful-desktop-amd64.iso -drive file=/mnt/Data/Virtual\ Machines\ -\ KVM/xub_64.qcow2
[10:56] <flocculant> boots to a menu and you can install - obviously paths ...
[10:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: not sure what's up with kvm currently - it just stopped working recently - up to now it's been fine, but yea vm is a pita regularly
[10:57] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: true.. to be honest forgot all about that error..
[10:59] <flocculant> caught up with the 3 I've managed to do
[11:00] <akxwi-dave> I'm lucky .. i can blame the wife for my KVM working..   She wont touch windows now.. she'll only use xubuntu... but she has an annoying habit of cancelling the updater when it pops up.., so my desktop hasn't had any updates for a few weeks.. and i'm relegated to the laptop
[11:01] <flocculant> lol - not sure when it died tbh - and not had the time nor inclination to find someone to talk to about it
[15:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: " < slangasek> heads up to those participating in beta1, ifupdown priority is being dropped now from important to optional,   dkettman   completing the netplan transition for 17.10; that means any respins are going to have ifupdown dropped, and    Dmitrii-~ use network-manager + networkd exclusively
[15:40] <flocculant> if you would like a respin before beta-1 to get extra testing of this scenario, feel free (just give it ~30m   dpb1       for the publisher before triggering)
[15:41] <flocculant> if so - you can respin tonight :)
[15:41] <flocculant> and then test it :D
[16:03] <bluesabre> strange timing on that
[16:05] <flocculant> :)
[16:06] <flocculant> sorry about the random nicks in the copy - stupid irssi ;)
[16:06] <bluesabre> :D
[16:06] <bluesabre> I know little about this move, not sure if we need to do anything on our side to make sure networking still works
[16:07] <bluesabre> I'm assuming not
[16:09] <flocculant> I am definitely not the person to comment, any network issues I've had have all been pebkac
[16:09] <Unit193> On desktops, in theory none at all.
[18:52] <flocculant> thanks Unit193
[18:53] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: unlikely to get to the rel note
[18:53] <flocculant> manana
[21:58] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:00] <bluesabre> Unit193, akxwi-dave, flocculant... so, think we should respin or leave it? Looks like only lubuntu has respun this one
[22:01] <ochosi> evening bluesabre
[22:01] <bluesabre> evening ochosi
[22:01] <ochosi> testig pa-plugin again wrt launching players
[22:02] <bluesabre> cool
[22:02] <bluesabre> Should work 100% now
[22:03] <ochosi> indeed, nice work!
[22:03] <ochosi> the plugin leaves little to be desired now tbh
[22:03] <ochosi> apart from maybe the "blocking-audio" feature
[22:04] <ochosi> not sure how hard that is to implement
[22:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: as in the coloring of the icon?
[22:05] <ochosi> yup
[22:05] <bluesabre> probably not *too* hard, but haven't looked into it at all
[22:05] <ochosi> yeah, i would suppose so
[22:06] <ochosi> it's just nice because it shows you something *would* be playing
[22:06] <ochosi> guess i've just grown used to it...
[22:06] <bluesabre> :)
[22:06] <ochosi> regarding the notification plugin, any input on whether to merge it into notifyd or keep it in a separate repo? (both from a packager's and a dev's pov)
[22:07] <bluesabre> Haven't actually looked at it, but can see value in having a way to easily get back to notification settings and re-enabling them
[22:09] <ochosi> you mean toggle DND mode?
[22:09] <ochosi> i'm mostly referring to whether to keep the source :)
[22:09] <ochosi> (DND mode can already be toggled from the plugin)
[22:09] <bluesabre> I think it makes sense to keep them together
[22:13] <ochosi> hmmhm
[22:13] <ochosi> not sure yet whether i'll find a meaningful way to merge in the plugin with its history
[22:13] <ochosi> already tried that and it sorta works...
[22:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: How'd I get lumped in with that question? :3
[22:14] <ochosi> anyway, time to get some rest
[22:14] <ochosi> night all!
[22:14] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi
[22:14] <bluesabre> Unit193, you're the only one that knows anything about it :D
[22:14] <Unit193> In that case, I wouldn't respin just for that, tbh.
[22:15] <bluesabre> (Thought the same)


[12:09] <stub> marcoceppi: hey. I'm just sorting the ntp related charms so good timing. I've just refreshed cs:~ntp-team/ntpmaster ready for promulgation. ntp next, so I'll review (ha) and merge your mp first
[12:11] <stub> (still not sold on this -team vs -charmers, since the set of maintainers of the software vs the charm are totally distinct)
[12:11] <marcoceppi> stub: I agree,but UX and design folks said -charmers rated poorly given they didn't understand what that was
[12:12] <marcoceppi> stub: and the majority of charms we'll want to get upstream to take over - or at least help maintain
[12:12] <stub> k
[12:15] <stub> Still feels rude to be making false claims, since the charm store isn't the only place this is visible. Doubt it makes trouble in reality though.
[12:17] <stub> The first real conflict will be between the snap package maintainers and charm maintainers for some product, since I doubt an upstream will take on both simultaneously
[12:21] <stub> Real solution seems to be to use the team's displayname rather than the id, but the charm store might not have that information since it is syncing team membership via openid extensions rather than querying the Launchpad API.
[12:30] <marcoceppi> stub: yeah, but worth bringing up
[12:30] <stub> I filed a bug :)
[13:03] <pascalmazon> hi, I have a question regarding juju store and resources
[13:06] <pascalmazon> I'm developping a charm that uses 3 resources.
[13:06] <pascalmazon> I've pushed my charm onto cs:~6wind/trusty/virtual-accelerator-12
[13:06] <pascalmazon> I'm trying to charm-release it, but it complains that resources are missing from publish request:
[13:07] <pascalmazon> do I really need to send resources to the store along with my charm? (I would have to use boilerplate files, as my resources contain credentials for using our proprietary software)
[13:11] <magicaltrout> pascalmazon: you can just upload empty files
[13:11] <magicaltrout> or some placeholder
[13:11] <magicaltrout> and have your charm check the content
[13:12] <stokachu> did the juju api for deploy change recently requiring series to not be empty?
[13:17] <rick_h_> stokachu: following trunk or in rc1 from b18?
[13:17] <stokachu> rc1 from b18
[13:17] <rick_h_> stokachu: not aware of any changes but info to narrow down have to check commits tbh
[13:17] <rick_h_> we were very careful on the path to rc there
[13:17] <stokachu> ok np
[13:18] <stokachu> it's nbd i can fix it in our api code
[13:19] <stokachu> rick_h_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23242144/
[13:19] <stokachu> thats the api server error when we tried to deploy that charm via conjure-up
[13:19] <stokachu> not sure why that doesn't default to xenial
[13:19] <stokachu> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/canonical-kubernetes/archive/bundle.yaml is the bundle
[13:19] <stokachu> this works in regular juju deploy though
[13:20] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: stokachu what about multi-series subordinates?
[13:21] <stokachu> the kubernetes worker looks like it's xenial only
[13:21] <rick_h_> stokachu: hmm, so looks like a change from a long while ago: https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/ff86e5c5413b2920986dc2769d57c6adadf8237f
[13:21] <stokachu> the bundle has a series: xenial defined
[13:22] <stokachu> maybe we just need to specify that in our api call
[13:22] <rick_h_> stokachu: I see, so maybe there's something with that not carrying through the bundle.
[13:23] <stokachu> yea i think we just need to pull the default series in the bundle and make sure it's set for each deploy call that doesn't have a series in the charm id
[13:23] <stokachu> im just surprised i didn't hit this earlier
[13:23] <rick_h_> stokachu: yea, maybe the bundle normally had series in the charm urls?
[13:23] <stokachu> yea i bet all the other bundles we use have the series in the charm urls
[14:03] <charles3> hey tvansteenburgh got a hot second?
[14:04] <tvansteenburgh> charles3: yup
[14:04] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: its been a while since i've tried to co-locate a service in a bundle. I'm getting the return from amulet when trying to deploy the bundle: 2016-09-27 13:59:53 Invalid application placement easyrsa to lxd:etcd/0
[14:04] <lazyPower> is this known behavior, or should I file a bug about this?
[14:05] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: you have latest deployer?
[14:05] <lazyPower> double checking, 1 sec
[14:06] <lazyPower> i didn't, it just pulled an update. However i get the same result
[14:06] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: gimme a min
[14:07] <lazyPower> ack. https://gist.github.com/4447433ddce4729c88a737524ed7f0c9  -- bundle for reference
[14:07] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: now that our k8s formation has kind of settled, is it time to get some of your mesos in my kubernetes? or is it time to get some of my kubernetes in your mesos
[14:13] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: s/applications/services/
[14:15] <lazyPower> ah, same bug that bit amulet bit deployer?
[14:15] <lazyPower> s/bug/change/
[14:17] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: yeah.
[14:17] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: thanks for the heads-up, i'll file a bug
[14:20] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: does deployer/amulet also need to be updated for the new nomenclature of colocation? s/lxc/lxd?
[14:20] <lazyPower> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23242376/
[14:22] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: no, that was already done
[14:22] <lazyPower> ok cool. I'll just update teh bundle for now. If you're busy i can also file that bug about s/application/services/
[14:22] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: already filed, thanks
[14:22] <lazyPower> you da man
[14:23] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: your placement should work if you s/applications/services. let me know if it doesn't
[14:26] <bdx_> hey whats up everyone?
[14:27] <bdx_> I've got some nonsense going on here around aws spaces and subnets
[14:27] <bdx_> check it out
[14:28] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: doesn't appear to - that output was with this bundle https://gist.github.com/3bcb688d317589e502a41c734f28f734
[14:28] <lazyPower> well, i commented out the lxd to get this run goin, but i digress, it was uncommented and compained.
[14:29] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: ok, looking
[14:32] <rock__> Hi. we created a charm that will install and configure one of our storage driver as backend for openstack cinder. And it also modify nova.conf file. I integrated my charm with Openstack bundle. From relations section  how can I provide relation from our charm to cinder and nova services separately.
[14:32] <lutostag> So who's knowlegeable about multi-series charms? (do they work in juju1? -- is there an incompat between juju1 and juju2 with the metadata.yaml format with series a list vs string?)
[14:34] <bdx_> here is my space and subnet
[14:34] <bdx_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23242403/
[14:35] <rick_h_> lutostag: so Juju 1.25 (.4+ I think) should auto pick the first one in the list and run with that
[14:35] <bdx_> previously, as you can see here -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23242441/
[14:35] <rick_h_> lutostag: but it's not a fully supported feature as that was a 2.0 feature
[14:37] <rick_h_> bdx_: ? what's up?
[14:38] <bdx_> well I guess juju status doesn't show the private ip, here is a screen shot of the aws console showing the instance is in the correct subnet/space -> https://postimg.org/image/pkhhfjzvh/
[14:38] <hml> is there an equivalent to “juju resolved --retry” in juju 2.0 rc1?
[14:39] <bdx_> so whats going on here, is my instances no longer will deploy to the space/subnet I have defined in my model
[14:39] <lazyPower> rock__: there is a cinder-client layer that should provide most if not all of that template for you
[14:40] <bdx_> I run the same command I ran to get the 0th instance deployed to my defined space/subnet on subsequent instance deploys, but my instances are getting deployed to random subnets now
[14:40] <rick_h_> hml: just juju resolve should auto retry.
[14:40] <rick_h_> bdx_: does it show in the yaml output?
[14:40] <rick_h_> bdx_: /me goes to look there was a bug about not all addresses showing in status
[14:41] <hml> rick_h_: thanks
[14:41] <bdx_> rick_h_: this should answere all of your questions ->  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23242465/
[14:42] <rick_h_> bdx_: what's juju status --format=yaml
[14:42] <bdx_> rick_h_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23242474/
[14:43] <rock__> lazypower: OK. Thank you.
[14:43] <rick_h_> bdx_: so the machine has multiple addresses, you're not seeing the one you want that's on the space correct?
[14:44] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: sounds good although we have a go live this week. The stuff still remains pretty much as it was I have plans to circle back around to it next week
[14:44] <bdx_> rick_h_: more than that
[14:44] <bdx_> rick_h_: not only is the instance not deploying to the specified space/subnet, I'm getting the private ip in juju status
[14:45] <bdx_> instead of the public like the other instances
[14:45] <bdx_> instance*
[14:45] <bdx_> rick_h_: this is a wild one .... sucks it had to show itself when I'm in florida setting up our dev teams with juju :-(
[14:46] <rick_h_> bdx_: yes, looks like: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1512875 as far as the reporting
[14:46] <mup> Bug #1512875: juju 1.25.0 using MAAS 1.9-beta2 juju incorrectly reports the private address <addressability> <maas-provider> <networking> <juju:Triaged by rharding> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512875>
[14:46] <bdx_> rick_h_: thats 1 bug that I'm experiencing for sure
[14:46] <rick_h_> maybe, bah
[14:47] <rick_h_> bdx_: yea, the other thing is that you're using spaces with just machines. So are you using the spaces constraing with add-machine?
[14:47] <bdx_> or some variant of it
[14:47] <bdx_> rick_h_: yea, I am
[14:48] <rick_h_> yea, so there's a few things. 1) juju not picking the 'preferred' address for the display. That's a known issue. 2) That we only show one address in status and should show all addresses a machine has. 3) not sure why the spaces constraint would not get you a machine not in the space :/
[14:49] <MrDan> hei, I deployed Openstack but neturon-gateway did not deloy l2, dhcp or metadata
[14:49] <bdx_> I was getting machines in the correct space up till this morning when I went to run a demo
[14:49] <MrDan> any known issue?
[14:49] <rick_h_> MrDan: yes, known issue with the Neutron gateway charm and not liking the bridged interfaces setup by RC1
[14:50] <rick_h_> bdx_: yea, sorry, that one doesn't ring any bells and not sure we've seen that one.
[14:50] <MrDan> what can I do as a workaround?
[14:50] <rick_h_> MrDan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1627037
[14:50] <mup> Bug #1627037: rc1 bridges all nics, breaks neutron-gateway <cdo-qa-blocker> <eda> <landscape> <uosci> <v-pil> <juju:In Progress by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627037>
[14:50] <bdx_> rick_h_: ok, I'll file a bug later today when I have a min
[14:50] <bdx_> rick_h_: thanks
[14:51] <rick_h_> bdx_: k, sorry man
[14:51] <rick_h_> MrDan: there's a couple of notes in the bug. We're working on updating for RC2 and working with the charmers of neutron gateway to correct it soon.
[14:51] <rick_h_> MrDan: best thing is to backtrack RC or look at the maas hacks in the bug.
[14:52] <MrDan> ok, thanks
[14:53] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: no rush, we're still launching ourselves. today is the day
[14:56] <magicaltrout> just insinuated the board at the ASF was an old boys club, I expect rockets to land on my house shortly
[14:56] <magicaltrout> good bye all
[15:00] <MrDan> cna the neutron-gateway be worked aroud if I have only one NIC configured on that host?
[15:01] <rick_h_> MrDan: I don't think so as it'll still see a bridge on that one interface
[15:01] <rick_h_> MrDan: and will refuse to use it
[15:06] <MrDan> ah, so the issue is that the public interface, eth0 in my case, should not be bridged as neutron-gateway charm skipps bridge networks
[15:08] <rick_h_> MrDan: right, and juju auto bridges so that things work as expected when deployed into containers/etc.
[15:09] <rick_h_> MrDan: the long term fix is to represent L2 interfaces in the model, but until then the charmers are looking to drop the bridge for neutron specifically
[15:52] <MrDan> i see, so basically right now openstack is not deployable atm with latest packets
[16:08] <marcoceppi> MrDan: yeah, if you can beta18 is a good candidate
[16:20] <hml> marcoceppi: where can we download beta18?
[16:21] <marcoceppi> hml: let me check if it's still in the ppa
[16:24] <rick_h_> hml: we can also look to get you a binary if you need, or build it from the tag? https://github.com/juju/juju/tree/juju-2.0-beta18
[16:25] <beisner> thedac, thanks for landing the mysql c-h sync @ https://code.launchpad.net/~1chb1n/charms/trusty/mysql/newton/+merge/306554 - marcoceppi, what do we need to do to get that rev into the cs?
[16:25] <hml> rick_h: okay, if it’s not in the ppa i’ll build one - question though…
[16:25] <rick_h_> hml: shoot
[16:25] <beisner> marcoceppi, it looks like i've got perms to charm push it, just not sure of the expected process/flow on that one
[16:26] <hml> rich_h: when I do a bootstrap - it appears that juju is looking to download the latest, which makes me nervuous
[16:26] <rick_h_> hml: hmm, if it's custom built I thought it would not auto use the matching tools
[16:26] <rick_h_> anastasiamac: can you speak to the changes wallyworld did here? ^
[16:27] <hml> rick_h_: i’m using a custom build right now and got “ cmd cmd.go:129 Looking for packaged Juju agent version 2.0-rc2 for amd64”
[16:27] <hml> rich_h_: though in the end it uses my local juju build
[16:27] <rick_h_> hml: :/ hmm maybe it's just part of the Id process?
[16:27] <rick_h_> hml: it used to be you used --upload-tools to make sure it used your local binary
[16:27] <rick_h_> hml: if it's finding the right binary I that's working as intended then
[16:27] <anastasiamac> rick_h_: those changes are black magic for me, sorry :D
[16:27]  * rick_h_ doesn't have a ton of experience with the new flow there
[16:27] <rick_h_> anastasiamac: k
[16:27] <rick_h_> anastasiamac: ty
[16:28] <anastasiamac> rick_h_: natefinch has had more epxosure and mayb of more help here ^^
[16:28] <anastasiamac> exposure even LD
[16:28] <hml> rick_h_: it does in the end… but if i’m using the installed version of juju - and it’s looking to upgrade every time - eeks.  :-)
[16:31] <marcoceppi> hml: I have a beta18 binary if you'd like
[16:31] <hml> marcoceppi: cool, how can I get it?
[17:06] <natefinch> hi, sorry, was at lunch... rick_h_, anastasiamac, hml - use --build-agent to force juju to upload a locally built jujud
[17:06] <natefinch> (it always rebuilds, so you need the source, and need to be able to build it, but otherwise, works like --upload-tools)
[19:30] <hatch> In juju 2, what is the correct way to remove an application and a unit that's in error, say a install hook error.
[19:43] <rick_h_> hatch: you have to resolve it first. --retry is not built into resolve
[19:44] <rick_h_> hatch: so you can juju resolved app/unit
[19:44] <rick_h_> hatch: or juju resolved --no-retry if you don't want to bother
[19:45] <hatch> rick_h_: so when I tried `juju resolved app/unit` it just kept retrying the hook
[19:45] <hatch> I had to run --no-retry
[19:46] <hatch> so to remove a unit in error I had to run `juju resolved app/unit --no-retry` a few times after `juju remove-application app`
[19:46] <hatch> is this intentional?
[19:46] <hatch> it's quite unintuitive
[19:47] <rick_h_> hatch: so the normal wish is to retry. The thing is that it goes through each hook
[19:47] <hatch> right, but the application has already been marked to be destroyed
[19:48] <hatch> so why would we care if the unit is any good?
[19:48] <rick_h_> hatch: so if you fail/retry a config-changed and then it hits a relation hook it'll get stuck and you have to resolved agagin
[19:48] <rick_h_> hatch: right, but destroying it invokes hooks
[19:48] <rick_h_> hatch: so it's stuck going through them thus the few resolved tries
[19:48] <hatch> would it make sense to have a warning returned when you destroy an application on how to actually get it gone if any of the units are in error?
[19:49] <rick_h_> hatch: the thing is that it's all async. when you go to destroy it, you don't really know what's up.
[19:49] <hatch> hmm
[19:49] <rick_h_> hatch: there might be a case in there to figure out sometimes, but not consistent
[19:50] <hatch> yeah...ok
[19:50] <hatch> this is an interesting problem
[19:50] <hatch> maybe a always-on notice
[19:50] <hatch> "if something fails when tearing down, do x"
[19:50] <rick_h_> hatch: maybe push charm authors to test their charms :)
[19:51] <rick_h_> hatch: there's definitely room for improvement
[19:51] <rick_h_> something for 2.1
[19:51] <hatch> lol
[19:51] <hatch> yeah I was just trying what I usually do 'spam resolved'
[19:51] <hatch> but that didn't work because I needed --no-retry
[19:51] <rick_h_> hatch: right, that's what's new in rc1
[19:51] <hatch> so I thought that was odd
[19:51] <hatch> in the 'normal' case that makes sense
[19:51] <rick_h_> hatch: normally you have to --retry but that's now the default because usually, you want that on
[19:52] <hatch> to retry be the default
[19:52] <hatch> right
[19:52] <hatch> so maybe if the application is in a dying status and units are in error when you run `resolved` it just does that
[19:52] <hatch> or would you want to potentially still run the hook?
[19:55] <rick_h_> hatch: well for things that might need to cleanup, hit an API when going down, etc. It makes sense to hook hook exec'ing as it goes down
[19:55] <rick_h_> "hey, I'm going down, take me out of the load balancer"
[19:56] <hatch> yeah, that's an excellent point
[19:56] <hatch> tough problem here
[19:56] <hatch> heh
[19:56] <hatch> touch ux problem that is
[19:56] <hatch> touch
[19:56] <hatch> tough
[19:56] <hatch> lol
[19:56]  * hatch can't type
[20:38] <cholcombe> relation_set still works in reactive land right?
[21:04] <magicaltrout> hey arosales did that ibm talk you gave get recorded?
[21:38] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: he's out at strata this week
[21:38] <lazyPower> I see some stills from it but no media that i can tell. I'll sync with james over that and see if we have any assets from that talk
[21:41] <magicaltrout> ta
[21:41] <magicaltrout> looked interesting thats all
[21:41] <magicaltrout> slides, video whatever
[21:57] <spaok> does anyone know if you can create LXD machines from a bundle.yaml for juju deploy without having to specify machines? seems just doing a contraint for container=lxd doesn't work
[22:18] <hatch_> spaok: so you want to create empty unused machines?
[22:19] <spaok> naw, I want juju deploy to create containers for the services its deploying, I know can use the to:\n   - lxd:0  type of syntax, but that requires a machine to be defined first
[22:21] <hatch> spaok: it does, because the placement of containers on machines is typically important
[22:21] <hatch> spaok: if you use the GUI to generate the bundle placement then you might find that easier
[22:22] <spaok> we are trying to setup automation for openstack deployment, so we want to just target machines tagged in maas, but we don't want to have to pre-populate a bundle file with machines, cause the counts may change
[22:24] <hatch> ahhh, I'm not sure of any way around that to be honest. It might be worth an email to the list or a feature request
[22:25] <rick_h_> spaok: check the constraints docs
[22:25] <spaok> rick_h_: ya, gone through it backwards, forwards, up and down
[22:25] <spaok> can't find a way
[22:25] <rick_h_> spaok: i think theres a :lxd syntax for --to
[22:25] <rick_h_> spaok: hmm ok.
[22:26] <spaok> there is, but to use it you need to define machines
[22:26] <spaok> ideally if I could use contraints + to: lxd
[22:27] <rick_h_> spaok: so you want each unit on a new machine but in a container?
[22:27] <rick_h_> spaok: ah sorry, not xonstraints docs but the olacement docs
[22:27] <spaok> basically ya
[22:28] <spaok> it works with the direct commands
[22:28] <spaok> for instance, juju deploy cs:xenial/glance --to lxd --constraints tags=lxc,rack2
[22:29] <spaok> will create a container on the machine tagged lxc
[22:29] <rick_h_> i see gotcha
[22:30] <MrDanDan> juju deploy --to=lxd:[node name]
[22:30] <spaok> MrDanDan: question is, how do I do it in a bundle.yaml without needed to define all the machines
[22:30] <MrDanDan> and specify the app after, of course


[18:28] <jocke> Hi,
[18:29] <jocke> I'm trying to setup a vlan and have copied the configuration from the man pages (Ubuntu 22.04.3) and keep getting this error "
[18:29] <jocke> ERROR:/etc/netplan/00-installer-config.yaml:7:7: Error in network definition: unknown key 'en-intra'
[18:29] <jocke>       en-intra:
[18:29] <jocke> Does anyone know what might be going on? I was convinced that at least the examples in the official documentation should be working...


[00:59] <mgw> How can I (externally) determine the interface MAC for an LXC container that was created from the default config?
[01:04] <sarnold> mgw: does 'ip link' show them?
[01:09] <mgw> sarnold: it doesn't show the interfaces inside the container's namespace
[01:10] <mgw> I might be able to figure something out using ip netns
[01:12] <sarnold> mgw: maybe tcpdump -i <bridge> -e ?
[01:14] <mgw> I'm using macvlans
[01:14] <mgw> sarnold: ^
[01:16] <mgw> sarnold: I'm wanting a way to a) create a container with lxc-create; b) determine the hwaddr for the container's iface(s); c) doe some stuff with those addrs before actually starting the container
[01:16] <sarnold> ah, so way beyond my experience, not just a little bit. hehe. :)
[01:18] <sarnold> mgw: hey, check htis out: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge
[01:18] <sarnold> mgw: lxc.network.hwaddr
[01:18] <sarnold> mgw: there's plenty of mentions of that in the lxc package, I expect our packages honor it too
[02:09] <mgw> sarnold: yeah, i may just generate hwaddrs and use that (that's what I was doing during testing). I was trying to avoid creating configs for every container.
[02:10] <mgw> i can actually do some tricks to find the pid for the cgroup, and then do this:
[02:10] <mgw> ip netns exec <pid> ip addr
[02:11] <mgw> but i'm not sure it's worth it
[02:26] <mgw> sarnold: for the record, I was able to do this:
[02:27] <mgw> sudo lxc-execute -n container-name -f /etc/lxc/lxc.conf ip addr
[02:28] <mgw> the trick was passing the -f arg rather than allowing it to use the auto-generated config associated with the container
[03:51] <stlu> Bind9 - I'm trying to learn to configure dns - will it talk with a DSL Modem/router and become a secondary DNS for the router's hosts?
[03:53] <subman> how do I install sendmail?  I've actually installed it but how do I set it up?  It does not seem to be sending email with the default settings.
[03:54] <stlu> subman: there is a wiki page to configure sendmail.  I used another ubuntu wiki to learn to setup postfix.  It was very clear and thorough.
[03:55] <stlu> brb
[03:56] <subman> stlu address
[03:58] <linuxtech> bind does not use a hosts file.
[03:59] <linuxtech> stlu: why do you want to use sendmail, Ubuntu uses postfix by default and Debian uses exim4.  I use exim4.
[04:01] <sarnold> man, there's an 800 page book for configuring sendmail. I'm not sure it's long enough.
[04:03] <subman> sarnold, 800 pages????  The space shuttle manual was smaller than that!
[04:03] <sarnold> subman: haha :)
[04:04] <sarnold> wow. 4th edition has 1312 pages: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596510299.do
[04:04] <sarnold> ask yourself, if you had to write a mail server from scratch, how many printed pages do you think it would take?
[04:05] <subman> Well I just need the page that helps me getting the basics setup.
[04:05] <subman> I've run sendmailconfig and still not working
[04:08] <sarnold> subman: getting mail working is a bit involved; there's remote -> local, local -> remote, forwarding... what doesn't work? are there any details in the log files?
[04:11] <subman> What port is sending?
[04:13] <subman> Ah, 25.  It is blocked I think.
[04:14] <linuxtech> The port sending varies, the port receiving is 25 for SMTP.
[04:14] <subman> So why else would sending not work?
[04:16] <linuxtech> I haven't used sendmail in more than 15 years...  So ir could be something with it, or some other networking issue.
[04:16] <linuxtech> I suggest you try postfix or exim4.
[04:19] <crass> ubuntu is phasing out the ia32-libs, so what's taking its place?
[04:24] <subman> I've tried postfix but how to configure?
[04:25] <linuxtech> Did you try https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html
[04:28] <linuxtech> crass: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21877/client-s-32v64-bit/ perhaps that session will answer your question.
[04:29] <subman> let me see
[04:37] <subman> is there no bare bones, teach me like i'm 5 tutorial?
[04:39] <subman> Anyone could help and it would be appreciated.
[04:41] <linuxtech> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/exim4.html
[05:00] <crass> linuxtech: that seems to be a discussion of 32 vs 64 bit, not running 32bit on 64 bit.  Or have I not watched long enough?
[05:03] <sarnold> crass: welcome back, you didn't miss any responses..
[05:04] <crass> thanks sarnold, that answers my other question (did my message get sent :)
[05:05] <sarnold> hehe :)
[05:08] <stlu> back
[05:10] <stlu> so generally, do DNS servers work with home routers?  I have a Bell 2Wire modem/router which provides local DNS for DHCP clients with hostnames.
[05:13] <sarnold> stlu: you'll probably want to configure the dns server to be a forwarder rather than a recursor
[08:10] <stlu> hmmm, well the Bell router isn't open to being a secondary DNS to a LAN host, so...
[08:12] <stlu> I would have to make my DNS a secondary to the home router/dhcp/dns, or just ignore the DNS service it provides for LAN hosts...
[08:13] <stlu> (assuming the home router will actually forward the LAN dhcp client records)
[09:47] <MACscr> is there an ubuntu image out there for running ubuntu server from usb? I want to make sure the OS is ran from ram mostly, but i still need persistent storage for updates/configs. Im wondering what would be the best way to do that part too.
[09:47] <MACscr> though i probably wouldnt update it much since it would be a storage server
[09:50] <mardraum> standard server image installs to a usb just fine
[09:51] <MACscr> mardraum: right, but it then runs from usb as well instead of a ramdisk. Correct?
[09:51] <mardraum> yes?
[09:52] <MACscr> mardraum: so that wouldnt really answer my question unless you stopped at the first sentence.
[09:53] <mardraum> "ran from ram mostly"
[09:53] <mardraum> if you wanted a ramdisk, why didn't you say?
[09:54] <MACscr> mardraum: my apologies for not making that more clear
[12:49] <ice9> Are there other alternatives for ownCloud?
[13:12] <Jeeves_> Morning
[13:12] <Jeeves_> init: dbus main process (3468) terminated with status 1
[13:12] <Jeeves_> init: dbus main process ended, respawning
[13:12] <Jeeves_> init: plymouth main process (514) killed by SEGV signal
[13:12] <Jeeves_> init: plymouth-splash main process (3389) terminated with status 2
[13:12] <Jeeves_> init: plymouth-log main process (3447) terminated with status 2
[13:12] <Jeeves_> Anyone with good ideas on how to debug that?
[15:11] <Douug> hello all, anyone know of a good guide for ubuntu MS Exchange replacement? I have tried the Samba4 , Sogo and OpenChange solution from Google but Outlook hangs on loading profile and Samba4 crashes
[15:12] <RoyK> Douug: zimbra?
[15:12] <RoyK> Douug: samba doesn't have anything to do with email/calendar etc
[15:12] <Douug> thank you, tried it but not happy with the community edition.
[15:13] <RoyK> why not?
[15:13] <Douug> let me find the guide i was using .. brbr
[15:13] <RoyK> Douug: keep in mind that zimbra should be installed on a dedicated machine/vm
[15:14] <Douug> http://iabsis.com/EN/article/35/Installation-de-Samba4-et-Openchange-sur-un-serveur-Debian-ou-Ubuntu
[15:14] <Douug> also want a active directory repalcement
[15:15] <Douug> doesnt hte outlook connector for Zimbra cost a little ?? want to try put the free edition of everything in, or atleast compile something to that extent
[15:18] <Douug> RoyK, what do you suggest I do ?
[16:04] <RoyK> Douug: here?
[16:04] <ikonia> RoyK: did you find out what was going on with that raid box and core dumping samba ?
[16:05] <RoyK> ikonia: somewhat - samba is still getting segfaults every now and then, but after a few fsck and removing lots of old backups, the root seems healthy
[16:05] <ikonia> any idea why it was dropping out ?
[16:05] <RoyK> ikonia: btw, it's just the root, the data raid is healthy
[16:06] <ikonia> yes, but root was mirrored wasn't it ?
[16:06] <RoyK> ikonia: no, 24 hours of memtest showed no errors
[16:06] <RoyK> ikonia: it's mirrored, yes, two old 250GB SATA drives
[16:06] <ikonia> so it just "fixed" itself after a few fsck/reboots
[16:06] <ikonia> how good but frustrating
[16:06] <RoyK> quite so
[16:07] <RoyK> if the problem reappears, I guess we'll have to reinstall the thing
[16:07] <RoyK> not much more than a fileserver anyway, so not a big issue
[16:07] <ikonia> coupled with samba, it just seems such an annoyingly odd problem
[16:07] <RoyK> it certainly is
[16:33] <Douug> sorry ROyK, stepped out
[16:42] <RoyK> Douug: ping
[16:42] <Douug> hello
[16:43] <RoyK> for AD replacement, I guess the nearest you get is samba4
[16:43] <RoyK> perhaps openldap
[16:43] <RoyK> both can be integrated with zimbra
[16:43] <RoyK> if you want outlook clients getting native access to the machine, it gets trickier
[16:43] <RoyK> commercial zimbra can do it, but then, it's not open
[16:44] <slylock105> hello guys
[16:44] <slylock105> i wanted some help in setting up virtual hosts
[16:44] <slylock105> using apache
[16:44] <slylock105> can anyone help
[16:45] <RoyK> Douug: I was in a meeting some three years back with the norwegian meteorologic institute, met.no, and they chose zimbra over exchange, and only after a few months, 95% or so of the users used the web client over outlook
[16:45] <RoyK> slylock105: it's quite easy to google that
[16:45] <TheLordOfTime> RoyK:  i think he wants his hand held through the process
[16:45] <TheLordOfTime> :/
[16:45]  * TheLordOfTime runs and hides :P
[16:45] <slylock105> i know been googling for last half an hour
[16:45] <Douug> if I download the ZEG (Zero Effort Groupware) as a virtualbox machine, it has LDAP and Sogo and it works perfectly, unfortunately I can't introduce it to my clients as a production machine
[16:46] <slylock105> it should be simple but cant figure out
[16:46] <Douug> support Zibra is MUCH cheaper than funding MS
[16:46] <RoyK> slylock105: first hit on google http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/
[16:46] <slylock105> RoyK: Well I am very confused i am trying to setup two virtual host
[16:46] <virusuy> morning guys
[16:47] <slylock105> i have a website already running under apache
[16:47] <RoyK> !ask | slylock105
[16:47] <virusuy> zimbra <3
[16:47] <RoyK> slylock105: or what I'm trying to say is 'be precise'
[16:50] <Douug> slylock105, have you created another vhost file in /etc/apache2/sites-eanbled and ln -s to /etc/apache2/sites-avaliable
[16:51] <slylock105> okay, I am trying to set up mutiple virtual hosts under apache. Right now I just have a file named default in /etc/apache2/sites-available and directs me to a website when i type in  example.com
[16:51] <RoyK> slylock105: really - take a look into /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and copy the relevant stuff to another file in that dir, symlink it to /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and reload apache
[16:53] <slylock105> I wanted apache to redirect me to a different www folder, when i type mtn.example.com. I have added a new virtual host in/etc/apache2/sites-available/default and specified the root directory of the other website
[16:54] <slylock105> thats is what i have done so far
[16:54] <slylock105> but example.com works the other one dosent
[16:54] <Douug> have you enabled mod_rewrite?
[16:54] <slylock105> i added the other virtual host to the same file/etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[16:55] <slylock105> I copied the same Rewrite rules i had for the the orignal virtual host
[18:13] <nizar> hey guys, is it possible to limit SSH logins to only a specific user or goup in ubuntu server?
[18:14] <nizar> im trying to run an ubuntu server from home that i want to be able to access from the internet so i thinking of limiting SSH logins to a singal user
[18:17] <Douug> why dont u use public key authentication
[18:17] <Douug> for a specific user
[18:18] <rdw200169> nizar: yeah... using keys is far and away preferred to password authentication.  Please consider this for your sanity!
[18:18] <nizar> i care about my sanity!
[18:18] <nizar> ill use that instead, thanks
[18:19] <nizar> any other quick tips?
[18:19] <rdw200169> nizar: if you go that route, just disable password auth in the sshd config
[18:19] <rdw200169> nizar: (this is ridiculously easy to do, and is probably mentioned in comments in the sshd config)
[18:20] <nizar> cool
[18:20] <Douug> change the SSH port
[18:20] <rdw200169> nizar: you can also add a Host config to your 'remote host' (i.e. laptop) that makes logging in easy
[18:20] <nizar> yeah, ive already changed the SSH port on it
[18:21] <rdw200169> nizar: when you're logging in remotely.  `ssh home` is much nicer than `ssh -i ~/my_id my_user@long_ip`
[18:21] <nizar> i didnt know that
[18:21] <rdw200169> nizar: yup, for setting it up, just read the man page for ssh_config
[18:21] <rdw200169> nizar: the only file you should need to edit for your user is ~/.ssh/config
[18:23] <rdw200169> nizar: likewise, just search for PasswordAuthentication in the manpage for sshd_config
[18:25] <rdw200169> nizar: make your life even easier and install keychain (http://www.funtoo.org/Keychain)
[18:26] <nizar> awesome, thanks
[18:27] <rdw200169> nizar: and when you generate your key for your remote hosts, *put a password on your private key* and then use keychain to make it such that you only ever have to put in your key's password once in a while
[18:27] <rdw200169> nizar: obviously, using keychain has some of those 'but what if... situations since ssh-agent is caching your password' but that is a decision for you to make ;)
[18:51] <greppy> rdw200169: actually, it's caching the key data, not the password.
[19:37] <Douug> guys, whats the best way to do the ubuntu server CD upgrade
[19:38] <Douug> i.e alternative upgrade ?
[19:45] <subman> I don't seem to be able to get my sendmail to work.  I get the following error email when I do try to send an email:  550 Access denied - Invalid HELO name (See RFC2821 <IP_ADDRESS>) (in reply to  MAIL FROM command)
[19:46] <ikonia> subman: lookw like your don't have a sane hostname
[19:46] <subman> Isn't it just server.example.com?
[19:46] <subman> Or whatever my server is?
[19:47] <subman> Here is the full error<EMAIL_ADDRESS>host waterloosubstop.com[<IP_ADDRESS>] said:
[19:47] <subman>     550 Access denied - Invalid HELO name (See RFC2821 <IP_ADDRESS>) (in reply to
[19:47] <subman>     MAIL FROM command)
[19:50] <ikonia> ok, so you don't meet RDC2821
[19:50] <ikonia> check out what that is
[19:50] <ikonia> I suspect it's a resolvable FQDN
[19:53] <subman> I have no idea what that means
[19:56] <ikonia> check the RFC
[19:56] <ikonia> but I suspect it means you require a valid FQDN
[19:56] <ikonia> (without me checking)
[19:57] <subman> Sorry, I still have no idea here.
[20:05] <subman> Ok, that part is solved.  I just put an extra '.' at the end of the server url.
[20:05] <subman> Now I get: (reason: 554 No relaying allowed - psmtp)
[20:10] <Douug> are you using a smart host?
[20:11] <Douug> use your ISP's smtp server
[20:11] <Douug> postconf -e relayhost=YOUR.ISP.FQDN
[20:27] <subman> I think that is corrected but now:
[20:27] <subman> <<< 550 Access denied - Invalid HELO name (See RFC2821 <IP_ADDRESS>)
[20:27] <subman> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
[20:33] <Douug> what is the banner in your config
[20:34] <Douug> sorry myhostname ??
[20:34] <subman> Ok, I'm new here.  What do you mean banner?
[20:34] <subman> What config file?
[20:35] <Douug> the postfix config file -> /etc/postfix/main.cf
[20:39] <subman> Should $myhostname be my actual smtp hostname?
[20:40] <Douug> no .. that is a variable picked up by the option lower in the file called "myhostname="
[20:41] <subman> myhostname is set to my servers name
[20:41] <Douug> the host hostname exist in DNS ?
[20:42] <subman> ?
[20:42] <subman> I don't know what you are asking me
[20:51] <Patrickdk_> you shouldn't be running a server then, let along email
[20:51] <Douug> does your server hostname resolve to an IP address on the internet?
[20:51] <Patrickdk_> your hostname should resolve in dns, and your ip should resolve to that same hostname
[20:57] <rdw200169> greppy: fair enough; i'm reasonably certain that ssh-agent is 'safe', but didn't feel like googling the specifics ;)
[20:59] <greppy> rdw200169: it mostly is, but, as with anything that lives in memory, root COULD do something evil with it.  But if you don't trust root you are already boned :)
[21:27] <Quest> just a simple question but I need to be sure.       If a server has, say 1 Mb psinternet connection. and if its pinged (traditional way of pinging like "ping (data size) google.com ") by a total (or one thread of ping data) of 1 Mbps . Will the normal trafic of that server (iweb / voip etc) will be effected in any way?
[22:41] <LeinardoSmith> hello does anyone have experience using samba and cups to serve windows printer drivers?
[22:48] <LeinardoSmith> I am getting a WERR_ACCESS_DENIED error when I try to run "sudo cupsaddsmb -v -a"


[23:54] <wpk> Suggestion: is information on how to upload a PPA for Ubuntu 9.04 really necessary on https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading ? :)