[01:56] <meoblast001> hi
[01:57] <meoblast001> what is the new theme gonna look like
[05:58] <emma> Intrepid is wonderful.
[06:00] <elkbuntu> you wont agree when it eats your grub like it did mine the other day.
[06:21]  * Hobbsee wonders where the multimedia buttons have gone
[06:25]  * DanaG asks Hobbsee: is your keyboard layout set to "Evdev Managed Keyboard"?
[06:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and how do I make myself privileged to set realtime priority on stuff without running it as root?
[06:25] <DanaG> ( for stuff such as timidity.)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> DanaG: nope.  where does that get set?
[06:26] <Hobbsee>         Option          "XkbLayout"     "us" ?
[06:26] <DanaG> KDE, or Gnome?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> gnome
[06:26] <DanaG> Aah, System->Preferences->Keyboard
[06:27] <DanaG> Tab: layouts.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> then, yes.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> it is
[06:27] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:27] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, maybe the config looks like my menu.lst :Þ
[06:27] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now go to Keyboard Shortcuts and rebind them; they may have changed from raw hex into names.
[06:28] <DanaG> Random bug link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217504
[06:29] <Hobbsee> DanaG: that's done it, thanks.
[06:29] <Hobbsee> although, my advance key doesn't work still
[06:31] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it's that bug...
[06:34] <DanaG> Advance?  As in, next tracks?
[06:34] <DanaG> s/tracks/track/
[06:35] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:36] <Hobbsee> xev doesn't find it at all
[06:36] <Hobbsee> it came in in hardy, but i don't think it ever got tracked down
[06:39] <DanaG> Hmm, does 'showkey' on console give anything?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> DanaG: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console ?
[06:39] <DanaG> Or does it maybe show up when you do 'tail -f /var/log/acpid'
[06:39] <DanaG> showkey has to be on a TTY.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> what do i do?  run it on a TTY, and press the button?  i don't need to pipe somewhere?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> iirc, last time i tried something w ith showkey, it did Really Bad Things...
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ah, right.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it doesn't come up on showkey, nor on acpid.
[06:45] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:45] <DanaG> What type of laptop?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> dell 6400
[06:45] <Hobbsee> what's really odd is that these worked before.
[06:46] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> ah...
[06:55] <Hobbsee> hm.  nope, not that.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> the key that isn't working is defined twice in hotkey setup...
[07:19] <siimo> anyone having random x server crashes? ><
[07:20] <RAOF> Not I, said the wolf.
[07:20] <siimo> i think it might have something to do with vmware
[07:21] <siimo> im working away and all of a sudden im dropped to a terminal window
[08:26] <Ayabara> is there a trigger I can use here to search for packages in 8.10?
[08:27] <RAOF> Ayabara: !find works, but please play with it in a privmessage.
[08:28] <Ayabara> RAOF: thanks. can I find out the version of sw as well? what I wonder is if digikam 0.10 beta2 is installed in 8.10
[08:28] <RAOF> !info digikam
[08:30] <geser> check also LP as ubottu knows only packages which got successfully build
[08:30] <Ayabara> RAOF: ah. ok.
[08:31] <geser> intrepid "has" digikam 0.9.4 but it FTBFS
[08:31] <Ayabara> I thought intrepid was gonna be kde4
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Ayabara: it is
[08:37] <Ayabara> gnomefreak: but kde3 as well, since digikam is version 0.9.4?
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Ayabara: no
[08:39] <gnomefreak> Ayabara: intrepid doesnt have a ~/.kde3 its ~/.kde and by default that is kde4
[08:40] <Ayabara> gnomefreak: ok. shouldn't digikam 0.10 be the one included then?
[08:40] <gnomefreak> Ayabara: im sorry at the moment we do have kde3 dir
[08:40]  * gnomefreak wonders if things have changed
[08:41] <crdlb> !info digikam-kde4
[08:41]  * gnomefreak is asking
[08:42] <Ayabara> aha. I want that to be beta-2 instead :)
[08:43] <Ayabara> Is II usable if I accept the occasional crash/bug? sorry, but I had to ask ;-)
[08:43] <RAOF> Yes; I use it.
[08:43] <RAOF> That said, don't expect it to boot tomorrow :)
[08:43] <gnomefreak> maybe it is gonna be kde4 since ~/.kde4 is empty for most part
[08:44] <Ayabara> RAOF: point taken :)
[08:48] <gnomefreak> RAOF: do you knwo wherer the system beep setting is at. i couldnt find it in gconf
[08:49] <RAOF> gnomefreak: I'm not even totally sure which system beep you mean :)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> RAOF: the beep from CPU
[08:49] <gnomefreak> RAOF: the "ping" that you get when someone says your nick in IRC among other places
[08:50]  * RAOF doesn't get one of those.
[08:50] <RAOF> Regardless of which particular beep it is, I don't know. :)
[08:50] <gnomefreak> RAOF: ok thanks
[08:52] <Ayabara> digikam released beta2 on the 1st of august. what's a good guess for when it will reach the repos?
[08:54] <siimo> i wanna know when transmisson 1.32 will hit it
[08:54] <RAOF> When someone packages it?
[08:54] <RAOF> ;)
[08:55] <siimo> it is the official torrent client ><
[08:56] <siimo> atleast fonts in ubuntU+1 look nice n crispy
[08:59] <DanaG> Beep from CPU?  Processors can't beep.
[08:59] <DanaG> The more correct term is "case" or "chassis" or "motherboard" or something like that.
[08:59] <DanaG> Or merely "PC Speaker"
[09:20] <Dr_willis> Speakerdectomy time! :)
[09:22] <DanaG> Nope, blacklist snd_pcsp time.
[09:25] <Dr_willis> thats not as fun!
[10:11] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[10:46] <rexy_> when you fire up update-manager -d in hardy is it supposed to show you the option to update to intrepid alpa ## or do you have to adjust the apt-sources to be able to upgrade?
[11:15] <DanaG> you may need '-c' for "consider development versions'
[11:16] <Poisson> 大家好阿
[11:16] <Poisson> I am a chinese
[11:29] <rexy_> No such option with -c either DanaG
[11:32] <RAOF> rexy_: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 is likely what you want.
[11:33] <rexy_> nah that's just iso's, seem to recall having done upgrades this way on previous releases, but maybe those were beta's iunoo
[11:46] <gnomefreak> -c is not needed its assumed by update-manager
[11:50] <RAOF> rexy_: You'll find in the second paragraph it says "to upgrade, <alt>+F2 and type in 'update-manager -d' without the quotes" :)
[11:56] <rexy_> RAOF, did that but it just gives me the normal update screen, and not an added button which lets me upgrade
[11:57] <gnomefreak> rexy_: when u-m opens choose update/upgrade than the new release should show up
[11:57] <rexy_> i just have two buttons check and install updates
[11:58] <gnomefreak> rexy_: use check
[11:58] <gnomefreak> when its done it will either need to install updates or it will give you the option to upgrade to intrepid
[11:58] <rexy_> yeh it doesnt
[11:59]  * gnomefreak cant remember the exact order.
[11:59] <rexy_> just check and greyed out install updates
[11:59] <gnomefreak> rexy_: if its that important use the old way
[11:59] <rexy_> aptitude dist-upgrade?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> rexy_: yes or apt-get
[12:00]  * gnomefreak uses apt-get but most likley the upgrade will fail
[12:00] <rexy_> i tried synaptic but it didnt start a dist-upgrade
[12:00] <gnomefreak> atleast if using ubuntu
[12:01] <gnomefreak> rexy_: than i suggest you wait since it seems you are not sure how to upgrade. its unlikely you can fix the problems you are going to have with broken packages
[12:01] <gnomefreak> rexy_: HINT: you are missing a very important step
[12:02] <rexy_> which is?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> rexy_: have you looked at /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03]  * gnomefreak betting the repos says *hardy*
[12:04] <rexy_> you mean the upgradenotes?
[12:04] <rexy_> yeah i've got some intrepid sources too
[12:04] <rexy_> but that just gives me a lot of package updates
[12:04] <gnomefreak> rexy_: first you need to understand thats its very likely your upgrade will fail
[12:04] <rexy_> but not a distribution upgrade button
[12:04] <gnomefreak> rexy_: only intrepid sources
[12:05] <s0u][ight> in the sources.list file there will be no button :d
[12:05] <gnomefreak> than run apt-get updaate
[12:05] <rexy_> s0u][ight, heh, no i mean update-manager
[12:05] <gnomefreak> rexy_: either get rid of intrepid sources and ue u-m or get rid of hardy sources and use terminal
[12:06] <gnomefreak> rexy_: either way ubuntu-desktop is broken so its likely you will run into issues wince you need that package to upgrade
[12:06] <gnomefreak> s/wince/since
[12:07] <rexy_> ah yeah i guess that pose a problem
[12:07] <gnomefreak> rexy_: a big one
[12:07] <gnomefreak> rexy_: its fixable but its not easy or fast unless you know what you are doing than its fairly easy
[12:07] <gnomefreak> but most deps will fail to upgrade as well
[12:08] <gnomefreak> you will get errors like package depends on ubuntu-desktop version  but ubuntu-desktop version isnt installed
[12:09] <gnomefreak> version == version number of package
[12:12] <rexy_> whats the trigger for the update-manager to show the button for a new release?
[12:12] <rexy_> gnomefreak, i tried the various combinations in the apt.list but yeah seems upgrading that way atm is not a great idea :)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> rexy_: before u-m does anything you need to remove hardy sources than restart u-m the way you did to  begin with it should runa  check than it should give you choice but u-m doesnt fix ubuntu-desktop
[12:14] <tacone> will intrepid finally support dmraid ?
[12:14] <RAOF> rexy_: What does 'lsb-release -a' say?
[12:14] <rexy_> gnomefreak, i tried it with every combination, no update-button with just ibex sources
[12:15] <rexy_> hardy 8.04.1
[12:15] <gnomefreak> rexy_: did you restart u-m?
[12:15] <RAOF> tacone: You'll want to define "support"; you've been able to use dmraid for quite some time ;).
[12:15] <rexy_> yes
[12:15] <gnomefreak> rexy_: than run apt-get update
[12:15] <rexy_> also done that prior to running update-manager
[12:15] <gnomefreak> rexy_: than dist-upgrade than watch for breakage
[12:16] <rexy_> it just gave me a slew of packges to updates and complaints about broken packages
[12:16] <tacone> RAOF: on the wiki page of dmraid there's a box in the header which I believe being red :-). it says it's not supported.
[12:16] <rexy_> *update
[12:16] <gnomefreak> rexy_: didnt i just tell you that?
[12:16] <tacone> RAOF: using dmraid me too right now. but with some glitches.
[12:16] <RAOF> rexy_: Yeah.  You've got Intrepid, which is why update-manager isn't giving you the dist-upgrade ;)
[12:17] <tacone> RAOF: I wonder about livecd support, fdisk -l without errors and (very)basic assurance against data loss
[12:17] <rexy_> RAOF, that wouldnt make sense, since i havent done anything with that yet
[12:17] <RAOF> rexy_: But you've got the intrepid sources in your apt cache, which I suspect will confuse update-manager no end.
[12:18] <RAOF> tacone: I don't know if anyone who cares about dmraid is doing anything about support; you could be that person, I guess :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> rexy_: you have a mixed system. go back to hardy repos no intrepid ones than run update and upgrade to hopfully give you either notihng or an error
[12:18] <rexy_> i havent ran any intrepid updates
[12:18] <gnomefreak> rexy_: to clear cache run sudo apt-get autoclean
[12:19] <rexy_> that just removes stale install packages
[12:19] <gnomefreak> rexy_: i knwo what it does
[12:19] <tacone> RAOF: I suck big time when it comes to low level question, I'm more suited to give support in other areas
[12:19] <rexy_> then how would it help
[12:19] <gnomefreak> rexy_: return your sources.list file to hardy
[12:19] <rexy_> it's set to hardy
[12:20] <gnomefreak> any intrepid ones?
[12:20] <rexy_> nah
[12:20] <gnomefreak> now save and close it and run sudo apt-get update
[12:20] <gnomefreak> than run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:21] <rexy_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:21] <gnomefreak> rexy_: if it doesnt give anything than try installing ubuntu-desktop
[12:21] <rexy_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:21] <gnomefreak> rexy_: good
[12:22] <gnomefreak> rexy_: now wait for intrepid to get fixed than worry about upgrading
[12:22] <rexy_> well it doesnt have to be fixed, as long as i can install it to test some hw support
[12:23] <gnomefreak> it should be fixed in a5 along with shutdown/restart/logout problems
[12:23] <gnomefreak> rexy_: run a chroot
[12:24] <gnomefreak> rexy_: get the ISO but you will still have problems with ubuntu-desktop its been broken for last 2 alpha releases
[12:24] <gnomefreak> rexy_: maybe grab the xubuntu or the kubuntu ISO instead
[12:24] <gnomefreak> neither are broken on my system
[12:25] <gnomefreak> oh that reminds me
[12:50] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: my ubuntu-desktop is not broken
[12:51] <JollyGiant> I mean, it's installed
[12:51] <JollyGiant> I don't remember doing anything special to make it so
[12:51] <Hobbsee> JollyGiant: then...fix it?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> oh, not broken.  never mind
[12:51] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: it is very much broken since we are missing the depends. ill show you hold on
[12:52] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: scrollkeeper
[12:52] <gnomefreak> you NEED that package
[12:53] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Doesn't rarian replace it?
[12:53] <JollyGiant> rarian-compat has Provides: scrollkeeper
[12:53] <JollyGiant> and Replaces
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:54] <gnomefreak> yep it seems to
[12:54] <JollyGiant> And you don't "need" that anyway, unless you like reading GNOME documentation :P
[12:57] <s0u][ight> Hobbsee: why did you kick him if i may know?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> they havent fixed the deps yet on alot of packages
[12:57] <Hobbsee> s0u][ight: because he is unwelcome, in any ubuntu channel.
[12:57] <jpds> s0u][ight: Known troll.
[12:58] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: They don't need to fix the deps, rarian-compat Provides scrollkeeper and that's fine
[12:58] <gnomefreak> hell read /whois
[12:58] <gnomefreak> scrollkeeper: Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.3.14-16ubuntu1
[12:58] <gnomefreak> how is that provided
[12:59] <s0u][ight> he is op at #fuckubuntu XD
[12:59] <JollyGiant> !ohmy
[12:59] <jpds> s0u][ight: Do not join there. Thanks.
[12:59] <gnomefreak> s0u][ight: he made the channel
[12:59] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: dpkg is weird? :)
[12:59] <s0u][ight> jpds: i wont :D thats just what i got from whois :D
[12:59] <gnomefreak> dpkg is fine
[13:00] <s0u][ight> what is his problem?
[13:00] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: how does an app replace and provide
[13:00] <gnomefreak> its one or other
[13:00] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: It's a packaging thing
[13:00] <Hobbsee> s0u][ight: yes, we've realised.
[13:00]  * Hobbsee doubts he'll have it overly long.
[13:00] <JollyGiant> It has to replace it so it can overwrite it's files and it has to provide it so it can satisfy dependencies
[13:01] <JollyGiant> its
[13:01] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: the apps still run but the deps on that need ot be fixed
[13:01] <s0u][ight> btw sorry for using that channel name :D
[13:01] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: point == it doesnt install it
[13:01] <gnomefreak> nor depend on it
[13:01] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: They don't have to, but it would be good housekeeping to update the dependency to the package that actually has that stuff
[13:02] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: rarian-compat ubuntu-desktop
[13:02] <gnomefreak> The following NEW packages will be installed: scrollkeeper
[13:02] <JollyGiant> Obviously installing scrollkeeper will remove rarian-compat
[13:02] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: it doesnt provide scrollkepper as you can see
[13:02] <JollyGiant> Provides is for dependency resolution
[13:03] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: that is the point, it doesnt procide it it replaces it
[13:03] <gnomefreak> provides
[13:03] <JollyGiant> If you want to install scrollkeeper and that packages still exists it'll install it
[13:03] <JollyGiant> If scrollkeeper was not in the archive it'd offer to install rarian-compat for you instead.
[13:03] <Hobbsee> you don't want scrollkeeper, surely?
[13:03] <JollyGiant> You don't
[13:04] <gnomefreak> the package needs to be fixed one dont depend on scrollkeeper and 2 dont list it as a provide
[13:04] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You keep saying 'needs to be fixed' as if something was broken.
[13:04] <gnomefreak> errors are not usrer feindly
[13:05] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: end user isnt gonna understand why all those packages depend on scrollkeeper as erros states
[13:05] <JollyGiant> There is no error. If you explicitly choose to install scrollkeeper you get it. If you install ubuntu-desktop you get rarian-compat and things that depend on scrollkeeper are fine with using it.
[13:06] <JollyGiant> So changing the dependencies would just be a housekeeping thing, not a requirement for a working package.
[13:06] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/518031
[13:07] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: tell me again there is no error there
[13:07] <JollyGiant> There is no error there
[13:07] <JollyGiant> If you install totem-xine dpkg will tell you the same thing about the totem package
[13:07] <gnomefreak> dpkg: scrollkeeper: dependency problems,
[13:08] <JollyGiant> For a small time those packages are missing a dependency but since apt knows it is installing something that provides that dependency it tells dpkg to ignore it
[13:08] <JollyGiant> You'll notice the install didn't actually fail.
[13:08] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt. and wont be by release time im sure. the packages need the depends so the end user doesnt see this
[13:09] <JollyGiant> No end user will see that unless they do a manual dist-upgrade
[13:09] <gnomefreak> end user should never see that
[13:09] <gnomefreak> on a stable release
[13:09] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: and they won't, because they'll use the dist-upgrader.
[13:09] <JollyGiant> People using update-manager won't see or care, it'll just work
[13:10] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: dist-upgrade fails due to depends issue please see topic above with rexy_
[13:10] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: If it fails rarian-compat/scrollkeeper is not the reason it fails.
[13:10] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Guaranteed 100%, that is _not_ the reason.
[13:10] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: it fails on ubuntu-desktop
[13:11] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: For some other reason.
[13:11] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: If the dist-upgrade is failing on rarian-compat/scrollkeeper that is an apt bug.
[13:11] <gnomefreak> for a depends issue ant since that is only dep issue with ubuntu-desktop its very likely scrollkeeper
[13:11] <JollyGiant> And if apt had such a bug I doubt any transition would ever be possible in the Debian world.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i presume you'll give a summary, with apt logs.
[13:12] <gnomefreak> its not an apt issue if anything its either a dpkg issue or a dep issue
[13:12] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Would you be more likely to believe me if I did /nick Amaranth?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i didnt have the issue rexy_ did so he can provide them
[13:12] <Hobbsee> and that is *not* the only dep issue with u-d, in the entirety of ubuntu.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> please do not talk crack.
[13:13] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: most liekly not but its the only one i see
[13:13] <gnomefreak> show me another one
[13:13] <JollyGiant> This is not even a dependency issue
[13:13] <JollyGiant> It is gnomefreak seeing scary looking things from dpkg he doesn't understand and thinking it's an issue.
[13:13] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: if its not why do i see the error on deps?
[13:14] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: i do understand
[13:14] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[13:14] <JollyGiant> You'll see the same message
[13:14] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: there has been no information provided at all on what it might be.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> and you are *wrong*, scrollkeeper is not required.
[13:14] <gnomefreak> totem-xine is already the newest version.
[13:15] <JollyGiant> Oh right, they changed the way that works
[13:15] <Hobbsee> now, i will warn you one last time:  Please do *not* spread wrong answers, and crack, in this channel.
[13:15] <gnomefreak> and if it was a problem with that i would see it
[13:15] <JollyGiant> Used to be just like this situation, now they install two binaries and use update-alternatives to choose which one gets the totem symlink
[13:16] <gnomefreak> Replaces: scrollkeeper
[13:16] <gnomefreak> Provides: scrollkeeper
[13:16] <gnomefreak> that shouldnt be contradictory
[13:16] <rexy_> ?
[13:17] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Read up on what those do.
[13:17] <gnomefreak> its not possible to do that with anything
[13:17] <JollyGiant> It is, actually
[13:17] <JollyGiant> There is actually this goofy tool that will make dummy packages that use Provides to pretend to be some other package so you can keep metapackages like ubuntu-desktop installed.
[13:17] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: how can it replace and provide ther would be a conflict no?
[13:18] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: but rarian is not a meta package per say since all it is is for docs. it has depends most meta packages dont
[13:19] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Again, Replaces is so it can replace the files from scrollkeeper (/usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update, etc) without dpkg complaining about two packages owning the same file and Provides is for dependency resolution
[13:19] <gnomefreak> well ubuntu-desktop changed
[13:20] <JollyGiant> To make sure rarian-compat was chosen over scrollkeeper
[13:20] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: right but the packages still depend on a package that isnt installed
[13:20] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: have you not looked into provides?
[13:21] <JollyGiant> Since they both fulfill the dependency needs for 'scrollkeeper' and the scrollkeeper package was already installed apt would prefer it. With ubuntu-desktop explicitly depending on rarian-compat it'll get a higher score and be installed.
[13:21] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it doesnt install it it removes it
[13:21] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: the package now depends on a package that *is* installed - it's rarian-compat.
[13:21] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Many packages depend on things that aren't actually installed.
[13:21] <Hobbsee> now please, do some research on how apt works, before you open your mouth further.
[13:21]  * JollyGiant tries to find a java example
[13:21] <gnomefreak> ho that would be recommends since i have never seen that on a stable release
[13:22] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no, it would not.
[13:22] <gnomefreak> s/ho/no
[13:22] <gnomefreak> you cant depend on a package that cant be installed due to removing the package you want
[13:22] <JollyGiant> All JREs have a Provides for something like 'java-jre' or something so packages that work with all of them can depend on that and get whatever one the user is actually using
[13:22] <gnomefreak> hence dep errors
[13:22] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you can, if you're using provides.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> please actually do some *research*
[13:22] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: that is a meta package
[13:23] <JollyGiant> java-runtime
[13:23] <JollyGiant> its not a metapackage, it's a virtual package
[13:23] <JollyGiant> All the JREs have a Provides: java-runtime and a java-based app that works with all of them can just depend on java-runtime and get one of them.
[13:23] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it would be nice if someone could prove that this error is only on my system if not end user shouldnt see it
[13:24] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: There is no error on your system.
[13:24] <JollyGiant> Repeat: There is NO error on your system.
[13:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: end users will be using the upgrade manager.  they will not see the dialog.  it is also not an error.
[13:24] <JollyGiant> In your paste you left out the "but removing anyway as you request"
[13:24] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: dep issue is an error but dpkg over rides it
[13:24] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: This is common.
[13:24] <JollyGiant> Repeat: This is common.
[13:24]  * Hobbsee notes this is like talking to a brick wall.
[13:24] <JollyGiant> There is usually at least one situation like this every release.
[13:25] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: not on stable systems its not on a/beta it is
[13:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: incorrect.
[13:25] <JollyGiant> There is at least one transition like this _every_ release.
[13:25] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: this happens on a stable release?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: by your logic, the kernel never ever upgrades.
[13:25] <JollyGiant> If it was a problem you probably wouldn't be using Ubuntu right now.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> it happens on a dist-upgrade.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> from a stable release, to another stable release.
[13:25] <gnomefreak> i have never seen it on stable release
[13:25] <JollyGiant> No one does transitions in an SRU
[13:26] <JollyGiant> But during a dist-upgrade? Sure.
[13:26] <gnomefreak> not to another stable no but to alpha nd beta yes
[13:26] <JollyGiant> Well, a transition in an SRU would require running 'dist-upgrade' but you get what I mean. :P
[13:26] <gnomefreak> i do
[13:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: so, alphas and betas get kernel upgrades, but from stable-to-stable, you keep the same kernel?
[13:26] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You have no clue what you are talking about. Please go read the fine manual before discussing this anymore.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you are on crack.  please stop it.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> else i will boot you out.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> users are not permitted to give out wrong information.  neither are ops.
[13:27] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: no you dont but i have never seen an error from dapper to hardy would be latest dist-upgrade
[13:27] <JollyGiant> I am sick of trying to be nice when you are rejecting everything we say.
[13:27] <JollyGiant> Hobbsee and I should know all about this stuff yet you do not believe us.
[13:27] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: so end user should see this?
[13:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: I've already answered that question twice now.
[13:28] <Hobbsee> go and read.
[13:28] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you said they do not that they should
[13:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: write in valid english
[13:28] <Hobbsee> if you want people to understand you
[13:29] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you said end users do see it you didnt sy they should/shouldnt
[13:29] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: If a user runs dist-upgrade manually they might see this if they can read fast enough to see it in all the other scary looking text.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> [22:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: end users will be using the upgrade manager.  they will not see the dialog.  it is also not an error.
[13:29] <JollyGiant> If a user uses update-manager or doesn't pay attention to the dist-upgrade running they won't see this.
[13:29] <JollyGiant> If they do see it it doesn't matter since it isn't even an error.
[13:30] <Hobbsee> [22:09] <JollyGiant> People using update-manager won't see or care, it'll just work
[13:30]  * Hobbsee is sure there were other references too.
[13:30] <JollyGiant> We have throughly explained how this works and unless you have technical proof that we are wrong there is nothing more to say.
[13:30] <gnomefreak> i think you are missing the point. not every user will ignor or miss or not care. you know as well as i do that endusers complain about just about anything
[13:31] <JollyGiant> So what? Let them complain about a non-issue. We'll just close the bugs as Invalid.
[13:32] <|dupondje|> audacious is seriously bugged in Intrepid
[13:32] <gnomefreak> we coudl do that that is fine dont care either way im just pointing out that user shoudnt see it IMHO
[13:32] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Users don't see it, do they?
[13:32] <Hobbsee> wgrant: this has been discussed repeatedly already.
[13:32] <wgrant> Hobbsee: That is what I thought.
[13:33]  * Hobbsee hopes gnomefreak is going to go away and actually learn, so as not to stick his foot in his mouth repeateldy, again.
[13:33] <gnomefreak> wgrant: i am so yes they would see it
[13:33] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Users don't see the terminal unless they click the scary button which says 'show terminal output' or similar.
[13:33] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: By definition you are not a regular user.
[13:33] <JollyGiant> You are here, you are using intrepid.
[13:33] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you are running a development release now, and this is where you've seen it.  you yourself said that you hadn't seen it when doing a stable-to-stable upgrade.
[13:33] <wgrant> win 22
[13:33] <gnomefreak> wgrant: with updaate-manager yes but not everyone uses it
[13:33] <wgrant> Damn.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> where clearly, it happened, but you didn't notice.
[13:34] <wgrant> gnomefreak: If one is a scarable user, one will use it.
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: right because they fixed it so it isnt shown
[13:34] <JollyGiant> No we didn't.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> no, they didn't.
[13:34] <JollyGiant> Who is 'they'? 'They' is us.
[13:34] <gnomefreak> they is all users
[13:34] <Hobbsee> now, for the very, veyr last time, please be quiet, learn something useful, and stop giving out incorrect information!
[13:34] <gnomefreak> or all devs ot the dev
[13:34] <JollyGiant> Users fixed it?
[13:35] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: no i meant devs
[13:35] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: We are devs. We didn't fix it. You didn't see it because it's not an issue.
[13:35] <gnomefreak> mvo to be the one
[13:35] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you're speaking to two fo them now.  Has it taken you this long to realise?
[13:36] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: also speaking as one
[13:36] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You're a packager?
[13:36] <gnomefreak> yes
[13:36]  * JollyGiant sobs in a corner
[13:36] <Hobbsee> what have you managed to get into the archive, so far?
[13:36] <wgrant> I am tempted to revoke your dev license.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> wgrant: prepare to forever-veto any motu application.
[13:37] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: mostly mozilla apps but im mainly a sunbird maintainer but i do most any mozilla apps
[13:37] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Anyway, there is *no problem*.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> ah yes, there is mozilla crack.  at least you can't upload unassisted.
[13:37] <gnomefreak> the first 6 or so was under wrong thing it was undre a team that wasnt a tam
[13:38] <gnomefreak> ompaul: no i cant never tried or cared to be a motu
[13:38] <gnomefreak> opps
[13:38] <gnomefreak> that is for Hobbsee
[13:38] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: in that case, i would have expected you to know that 119 things depend on 'firefox', but it is not a mandatory package to have - it is a metapackage.
[13:39] <gnomefreak> its fine if users see it i guess i still this they shouldnt but that is IMHO
[13:39] <Hobbsee> which the conflicts and provides are already used for.
[13:39] <Hobbsee> they don't see it.  read my lips.
[13:39] <gnomefreak> with u-m they dont
[13:39] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Only users who know what they are doing will see it.
[13:39] <gnomefreak> doing dist-upgrade if they are looking they will see it
[13:39] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You are proof that even using dist-upgrade they usually don't.
[13:39] <JollyGiant> Unless you haven't used dist-upgrade for previous upgrades.
[13:39] <wgrant> gnomefreak: You're not allowed to use dist-upgrade.
[13:40] <gnomefreak> i test both ways
[13:40] <Hobbsee> and you admitted above that you did not see it.
[13:40] <JollyGiant> dist-upgrade is "If it breaks you get to keep both pieces"
[13:40] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: right in stable releases i didnt see it
[13:40] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that was already addressed above.
[13:41] <JollyGiant> So users that are easily scared shouldn't see it because they want someone to tape the pieces back together for them. :P
[13:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: if you continue, i'm going to give you a timeout, so you can go back and read the logs.
[13:41] <Hobbsee> if you were a standard user, you would have been booted a long time ago.
[13:41] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You didn't see it but it _was_ there. We always have these.
[13:41] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you missed the IMHO
[13:42] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You missed the fact where you don't know what you're talking about.
[13:42] <JollyGiant> Alright, that was mean. I think I'll just leave the conversation.
[13:42] <jpds> Da da. da dum.
[13:43] <Hobbsee> sigh.  ops should know better.
[13:43] <wgrant> Hrm.
[13:53] <rexy_> whats the trigger for the update-manager to show the button for a new release, even if it's alpha/beta so you can at least try to upgrade?
[13:55] <LSD|Ninja> I'm not sure it's possible to make it prompt for alpha/beta releases. It is possible though to have it prompt for more than just LTS releases
[13:55] <rexy_> ah that explains it i guess, thanx
[13:57] <LSD|Ninja> You can upgrade to development releases with update-manager though, I'm just not 100% sure how off-hand
[14:05] <tanath> how do i make the Desktop Search icon stop appearing in the notification area at login?
[14:06] <LSD|Ninja> disable it?
[14:06] <tanath> i thought it was tracker, so i ended up removing it, but it still shows up
[14:06] <tanath> how?
[14:06] <tanath> i've tried
[14:07] <tanath> right clicking has no options but Quit
[14:07] <tanath> but it still comes back next login
[14:07] <cameronh> hi everyone.. on my intrepid dev box, apt-get install gnome is showing unmet dependencies from gnome-office and system-config-printer
[14:07] <LSD|Ninja> There's a preference for it somewhere, I just can't remember where because I don't have it handy right now
[14:07] <tanath> :-/
[14:08] <tanath> also, the same magnifying glass icon appears in the login splash, with the name visual assistance, but that's turned off...
[14:15] <tanath> anyone else have the problem where the splash screen doesn't go away after login?
[14:24]  * penguin42 has a hang of the alpha4 live cd; last thing on vt8 is starting CUPS - anyone else seen that?
[14:25] <tanath> i haven't been able to see a virtual terminal since upgrading to intrepid some time ago
[14:27]  * penguin42 hits reset and tries again
[14:30] <penguin42> what's the second orange blob below the main progress bar about ?
[14:31] <JollyGiant> a display bug
[14:31] <penguin42> ah ok :-)
[14:32] <JollyGiant> is it just me or are most windows slightly translucent?
[14:32] <JollyGiant> using Human-Murrine
[14:33] <JollyGiant> so far gnome-terminal (the menu, anyway) and gnome-system-monitor are translucent, I guess we must be patching gtk+ to default to RGBA
[14:34] <wgrant> JollyGiant: Apps have to be explicitly patched for that, IIRC.
[14:34] <JollyGiant> wgrant: Either the apps or gtk+ itself
[14:35]  * penguin42 doesn't seem to have a working X - I see a white screen with mouse cursor on it; but that doesn't move
[14:35] <penguin42> (off live CD)
[14:36] <wgrant> JollyGiant: I'm pretty sure that the apps need to initialise their widgets as RGBA
[14:38] <JollyGiant> wgrant: They don't, if you patch gtk+ to make the default RGBA
[14:38] <JollyGiant> wgrant: Then they need to specifically request RGB if they don't want RGBA
[14:38] <wgrant> Aha.
[14:39] <JollyGiant> and of course you'll get rgb by default if you aren't running a compositor
[14:39] <JollyGiant> which is somewhat broken as you then don't get proper alpha when you turn a compositor on unless you restart the app
[14:42] <penguin42> oh please don't tell me compiz is on for failsafe-gnome
[14:42] <JollyGiant> it's hard enough getting it on for non-failsafe gnome
[14:43] <JollyGiant> although I imagine someone may have introduced such a bug when making it work for non-failsafe
[14:43] <penguin42> JollyGiant: I'm running off the live CD and gnome is giving me a white screen
[14:43] <JollyGiant> gnome-session completely changed
[14:43] <JollyGiant> penguin42: get a newer  alpha disc
[14:43] <penguin42> JollyGiant: This is Alpha4
[14:43] <JollyGiant> penguin42: what video card?
[14:43] <penguin42> Old Radeon R100/7200
[14:43] <JollyGiant> weird
[14:44] <penguin42> I can get the failsafe-xterm session up, but not failsafe gnome
[14:44] <penguin42> (I see a Hardy Heron backdrop and then it goes all-white = but I can move the mouse cursor  - now that I've realised which mouse is connected)
[14:47] <JollyGiant> penguin42: after a bit blindly hit alt-f2 and type metacity --replace
[14:48] <penguin42> ok, will do
[14:49] <penguin42> yeh that worked
[14:51] <penguin42> this machine used to have 3D rendering issues and I was asked to try Intrepid to see if it still happened; I've added this behaviour to the end of that report bug #15219
[14:53]  * penguin42 looks at the imaginative way interpid has reordered his discs
[15:01] <motz> kann mir wer mit der busybox helfen und intrepid ;)
[15:02] <motz> wurde schon alles neuaufgesetzt und auch paar mal  runtergerladen und neu gebrannt
[15:04] <Hobbsee> !de
[15:04] <Hobbsee> ich kann helfen im Deutsch nicht :)0
[15:04] <motz> die haben mich ja hier hergeshickt ;)
[15:05]  * Hobbsee looks for a translator
[15:05] <motz> anyone help with stucked at installation by busy box ;)
[15:05] <Hobbsee> ahh
[15:06] <penguin42> motz: Are there any messages?
[15:06] <Hobbsee> motz: either way, if you want help here, it'll need to be in english :)
[15:06] <motz> okey
[15:06] <motz> no messages
[15:07] <penguin42> hmm - is this a boot off the cd or just after installation?
[15:07] <motz> installtion on wubi
[15:07] <motz> after reboot
[15:07] <penguin42> ok, what's your hardware ?
[15:07] <motz> he tries so start ubuntu then comes the loADING SCRENN
[15:07] <motz> extensa 520
[15:07] <motz> acer
[15:07] <penguin42> what type of disc does it have?
[15:08] <motz> hitachi sata drive 80gb
[15:08] <motz> 1,6 ghz celeron
[15:08] <motz> intel m 520 chipset
[15:08] <penguin42> hmm, nothing unusual then; from the busy box prompt can you do   cat /proc/partitions
[15:08] <motz> system is dual boot
[15:10] <motz> ill try
[15:10] <penguin42> just to see if it can see your hard disc and the partitions
[15:14] <motz> could u paste one time again switched pc
[15:15] <penguin42> motz: Sure, cat /proc/partitions - see if it can see your disc
[15:16] <motz> initamfs should stay ?
[15:17] <penguin42> yes
[15:18] <motz> proc: invalid length
[15:18] <penguin42> weird....
[15:18] <penguin42> do you see anything if you ls /proc
[15:18] <motz> ahh mom
[15:18] <motz> must find /
[15:18] <motz> german kb ,  doh ;)
[15:19] <motz> find many numbers and so
[15:19] <motz> like 886 execdomains sysvipc
[15:20] <penguin42> really? In /proc/partitions ?
[15:20] <penguin42> ah
[15:20] <motz> yes
[15:20] <motz> sometimes he boots in blank screen
[15:20] <penguin42> so, try the cat /proc/partitions again - you should see number number bignumber   name
[15:20] <penguin42> what names do you see
[15:22] <motz> can i write w/o  slash ?
[15:23] <penguin42> yeh; cd /proc  cat partitions
[15:25] <motz> cd?
[15:25] <motz> und mean cat or`?
[15:25] <penguin42> cd /proc
[15:25] <penguin42> cat paritions
[15:25] <penguin42> t
[15:26] <motz> now he shows numbers and so
[15:26] <motz> 254    0    125056 ramzwap0
[15:26] <motz> is first
[15:28] <motz> u need all ?
[15:28] <penguin42> ok, so that's a ram disc; are there any like sda or sdb or hda ?
[15:29] <motz> sda1 , 2 ,5!
[15:30] <penguin42> ok - so the good news is that it found your hard disc - the bad news is that I'm not sure what to look for now; not finiding the hard disc is the most common problem here
[15:30] <motz> change to hda ? maybe
[15:30] <motz> wasnt there  a menu.lst workaround
[15:31] <penguin42> it could be a bad menu.lst
[15:32] <motz> reformatet yesterday
[15:32] <tanath> how should you report a bug if you don't know what package it's in?
[15:33] <motz> could it help to install alone wo  xp`?
[15:33] <penguin42> tanath: You don't have to select a package do you?
[15:34] <tanath> penguin42: perhaps not. haven't tried that
[15:34] <tanath> i get no video output when booting, and same when switching to a virtual terminal
[15:34] <tanath> only get video when X is running
[15:35] <motz> better tp change 8.04 and wait for later alpha or final no problem thank you!
[15:36] <Sianis_> hi
[15:37] <Sianis_> can somebody help me a little?
[15:37] <motz> when i uninstall on wibu is the all removed?
[15:37] <penguin42> Sianis_: Sure, just explain what you need help with
[15:37] <Sianis_> penguin42: thx
[15:38] <Sianis_> do you have 8.10?
[15:39] <penguin42> yeh I have Alpha4 running off CD
[15:39] <Sianis_> nice
[15:39] <motz> thanx penguin anyway!
[15:39] <JollyGiant> tanath: That bug has been reported about 158347562 times.
[15:39] <tanath> JollyGiant: oh? got a bug number for me?
[15:40] <Sianis_> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/d269c2918
[15:40] <JollyGiant> Not really, don't remember it
[15:40] <Sianis_> here is a little script
[15:40] <JollyGiant> tanath: Try installing v86d
[15:40] <Sianis_> copy it into applist.sh pls
[15:40] <tanath> JollyGiant: i guess i can dig a bit in launchpad
[15:40] <tanath> JollyGiant: v86d?
[15:41] <JollyGiant> !info v86d
[15:41] <JollyGiant> When in doubt assume it's a package name :P
[15:41] <tanath> JollyGiant: yeah, already looked it up
[15:41] <tanath> JollyGiant: i'm wondering how it might help
[15:41] <JollyGiant> tanath: I haven't checked recently but I know at one point the kernel was trying to use uvesafb
[15:41] <tanath> JollyGiant: and why it became broken in the first place :P
[15:41] <JollyGiant> Which does not work without v86d
[15:42] <tanath> hm
[15:42] <JollyGiant> maybe try `dmesg | grep uvesa`
[15:42] <tanath> JollyGiant: it worked fine in hardy & prior. only started in intrepid
[15:42] <JollyGiant> tanath: And?
[15:42] <tanath> uvesafb: failed to execute /sbin/v86d
[15:42] <tanath> etc
[15:42] <tanath> hm
[15:42] <tanath> hadn't noticed that before
[15:42] <tanath> thanks for the tip
[15:43] <penguin42> Sianis_: OK, it's producing believable output
[15:43] <Sianis_> ./applist.sh main > main && ./applist.sh restricted > restricted && ./applist.sh universe > universe && ./applist.sh multiverse > multiverse
[15:43] <Sianis_> run this penguin42 pls and pastebin it pls!
[15:43]  * penguin42 is getting confused - the monitor for my 8.10 box is over there <-----   it's mouse is over there ----->   and it's keyboard is down there ---v
[15:44] <tanath> lol
[15:44] <penguin42> Sianis_: That's going to take me a few minutes
[15:44] <tanath> penguin42: that could be fixed, no?
[15:44] <penguin42> tanath: Ah well the thing is the keyboard for my main box is in the middle
[15:44] <Sianis_> penguin42: okey, I have time and thx!
[15:45] <JollyGiant> tanath: bug 246269
[15:45] <tanath> JollyGiant: i take it that'll only help after a reboot? didn't restore virtual terminals yet
[15:45] <JollyGiant> obviously
[15:45] <JollyGiant> If it helps at all
[15:45] <tanath> figured
[15:46] <JollyGiant> You have no framebuffer driver running
[15:46] <JollyGiant> So no framebuffer
[15:46] <penguin42> and it doesn't fall back to good old VGA text?
[15:47] <tanath> JollyGiant: ok, time to reboot again. if it doesn't work, i prolly won't be back for now, so thanks for the help
[15:48] <tanath> damnit, shutdown/reboot never works anymore either
[15:48] <penguin42> Sianis_: Are you ok if I upload it as a tar somewhere?
[15:48] <Sianis_> of course penguin42
[15:50] <JollyGiant> d'oh, just remembered you can reload the module
[15:50] <JollyGiant> remove it and insert it again
[15:50] <penguin42> Sianis_: http://www.treblig.org/debug/forSianis.tgz
[15:51] <Sianis_> got it
[15:51] <Sianis_> big thx
[15:54]  * penguin42 tries to clear out the discs of his old machines to put it in a state to reinstall with Intrepid
[16:03] <tanath> JollyGiant: that fixed it. thanks
[16:38] <napsy> Hello. Are there plans to include pulseaudio 0.9.11 with intrepid?
[16:53] <bazhang> !info pulseaudio
[16:54] <napsy> yes I know what's pulseaudio
[16:54] <napsy> I want to know if 0.9.11 will be in intrepid
[16:54] <napsy> because there's a huge difference in versions 0.9.10 and 0.9.11
[16:55] <bazhang> napsy, look at the version; the feature freeze is August 28
[16:56] <bazhang> ie in eleven days
[16:56] <napsy> there's still time
[16:57] <penguin42> napsy: Try filing a bug against the package and ask for it
[17:39] <thomas_> Hi
[17:40] <ikonia> hello
[17:40] <thomas_> I think Intrepid should have a fully graphical installer
[17:40] <ikonia> ubuntu already has a graphical installer
[17:40] <ikonia> it has done for a long time
[17:40] <thomas_> No I mean from boot
[17:40] <ikonia> yes from boot
[17:41] <ikonia> ubuntu has had a graphical installer for a long time
[17:41] <thomas_> I know
[17:41] <ikonia> infact I can't think of a current distro without a graphical installer
[17:41] <thomas_> What i mean is
[17:41] <ikonia> thomas_: so if you know, why are you saying it should get one
[17:41] <thomas_> that when you put this disk in it should not have that text screen
[17:41] <LSD|Ninja> thomas_: you can't avoid that
[17:42] <JollyGiant> what text screen?
[17:42] <ikonia> thomas_: what text, the one that says "press enter to install" as in the menu ?
[17:42] <JollyGiant> The very first screen you see has graphics on it and a menu
[17:42] <thomas_> you know the one with the ubuntu logo on it and Try Ubuntu then Install Ubuntu
[17:42] <ikonia> JollyGiant: exactly
[17:42] <ikonia> thomas_: are you serious ?
[17:42] <thomas_> Yes
[17:42] <JollyGiant> If you mean you should be able to use your mouse there then I'm sorry, not possible
[17:42] <ikonia> thomas_: thats graphical, and a menu to give you options
[17:42] <ikonia> JollyGiant: thats a pointless thing - let along not possible
[17:43] <LSD|Ninja> if you leave it long enough it'll default to booting the desktop CD
[17:43] <penguin42> the language selection screen on intrepid is a bit grim
[17:43] <penguin42> (I realise it's got a rather large list of languages)
[17:43] <thomas_> Should ubuntu be more black or Brown?
[17:43] <penguin42> (Can anyone remember what the magic is to start an lvm set by hand)
[17:43] <ikonia> thomas_: what ?
[17:43] <ikonia> thomas_: as in the logo ?
[17:43] <penguin42> thomas_: Nothing wrong with brown; chocolate is brown
[17:44] <LSD|Ninja> thomas_: less brown, definitely
[17:44] <ikonia> the logo is red/yellow/brown
[17:44] <thomas_> NO as in the interface
[17:44] <LSD|Ninja> thomas_: whoever designed the placeholder theme in Intrepid missed that memo
[17:44] <bazhang> thomas_, this is offtopic
[17:44] <thomas_> ok
[17:44] <ikonia> this is pointless
[17:44] <thomas_> About development
[17:44] <ikonia> no it's not
[17:44] <JollyGiant> LSD|Ninja: Err, the placeholder was brown
[17:44] <bazhang> thomas join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:44] <LSD|Ninja> JollyGiant: It was more brown, not less
[17:45] <JollyGiant> Why? Not like anything is happening in here right now
[17:45] <bazhang> not the point.
[17:45] <JollyGiant> LSD|Ninja: It was meant to expose bugs in apps when using a dark theme
[17:45] <LSD|Ninja> JollyGiant: whatever it was, it sucked
[17:45] <JollyGiant> Although I think originally the plan was to tune it to be the real theme
[17:47] <JollyGiant> Now everyone is freaking out about the willwill mockup
[17:47] <JollyGiant> I tried to implement it, it just doesn't work outside of mockup screenshots
[17:49] <ikonia> JollyGiant: what's the willwill mockup ?
[17:49] <JollyGiant> ikonia: http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-1-93584571
[17:50] <JollyGiant> I had the basic color scheme, the menus, etc all done in a murrine-based theme
[17:50] <ikonia> quit tidy
[17:50] <JollyGiant> After a couple hours I ditched it
[17:50] <ikonia> just quite clean
[17:51] <JollyGiant> Although I am using a implementation of his GDM mockup, it's rather nice
[17:51] <JollyGiant> I guess if someone took the time to tune his theme ideas to not, well, suck it would be alright
[17:51] <ikonia> mockups are great, but implimenting them into themes is a real pain
[17:52] <JollyGiant> However thanks to firefox not really following the theme you can't just outright implement what he has there
[17:52] <JollyGiant> Unless you make a firefox theme to match
[17:53] <JollyGiant> Most of the other implementations seem to just decide black with some yellow tossed in somewhere is a valid implementation of his mockup
[17:54] <JollyGiant> and firefox tries to use dark theme widgets in webpages, which is just fail
[18:05]  * penguin42 is probably having only 1 in 3 boots (if that) get reasonably far in the boot of alpha 4
[18:13] <captjake> hello
[18:13] <penguin42> hi
[18:14] <captjake> hey answerguy could I get you to answer a question
[18:14] <bazhang> captjake, this about gos?
[18:14] <captjake> well this message is to all here im new to gOs which is ubuntu I think so it says its 8.0.4 or whatever
[18:15] <bazhang> captjake, #gos
[18:15] <captjake> LOL but it even plays the ubuntu music like im in africa and says its ubuntu
[18:15] <bazhang> captjake, it is not supported here or in any ubuntu channel
[18:17] <captjake> #gos
[18:18] <captjake> does ubuntu have wine?
[18:18] <captjake> I like ubuntu feel the same
[18:24] <EagleSn> yes, ubuntu has wine
[18:27] <EagleSn> is this channel also to talf about kubuntu intrepid?
[18:28] <jo0ma> hi everybody
[18:30] <EagleSn> hi
[18:35] <jo0ma> When I booted Ubuntu Intrepid for the first time, window borders looked amazing. I changed them and now I can't go to default theme. How to restore to Intrepid default theme? I am using compiz(Normal Visual Effects)
[18:55] <DanaG> Argh, samba with gvfs is way broken.
[18:56] <DanaG> Try to connect... it asks you to log in.
[18:56] <DanaG> And no combination of username and password is taken as correct
[18:56] <penguin42>  /var/log/smbd ?
[18:56] <DanaG> .. and then sometimes it says "mountpoint already registered"
[18:56] <DanaG> .... and other times, the mount replicates itself in the sidebar in Nautilus.
[18:56] <DanaG> gvfs doesn't use smbd, does it?
[18:57] <penguin42> ah
[18:57]  * penguin42 doesn't know
[18:57] <penguin42> oh - I see this is mounting rather than exporting
[18:57] <DanaG> Other computer is XP Home; that's likely the issue.
[18:58] <DanaG> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered
[18:58] <DanaG> ARGH!
[18:58] <DanaG> ... I click the thing in the sidebar, it says "already registered"
[18:58] <DanaG> well, no ****, sherlock!
[18:59] <DanaG> Eeh, I'll just do it a different way.
[19:25] <sidewalk> hey, where can i get an iso of the latest unstable version?
[19:26] <LSD|Ninja> cdimage.ubuntu.com like everything else
[19:26] <LSD|Ninja> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/ to be precise
[19:26] <LSD|Ninja> Not sure if there's nightlies or not
[19:26] <sidewalk> thanks alot :-)
[19:42] <Fredd> hm sound is gone again lol
[19:53] <Fredd> sound back again lol
[20:04] <Fredd> !bugs
[20:08] <Fredd> where could i find the log file for the very startup messages? the ones with the [ ok ] at the end
[20:51] <DGMurdockIII> is there a roadmap for ubuntu?
[20:52] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/258797
[20:52] <dupondje> somebody check plz :)
[20:52] <pwnguin> DGMurdockIII: yes
[20:52] <DGMurdockIII> do you have a link
[20:53] <pwnguin> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu is sort of everything people are thinking about
[20:54] <pwnguin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule is a timeline
[21:45] <EruditeHermit> hi, is there a way to run the iso image off a USB stick for alpha4? I know this was a planned feature, I was wondering if it had been implemented yet?
[22:37] <taggie> EruditeHermit; check out the script here: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ it will let you run basically any linux liveCD from a USB flash, bonus it even will set it up from a windows host.
[22:43] <burner> anyone know how to get a Windows Mobile device working with the new network manager as a modem?
[22:50] <sleepster> how come ubuntu server comes with xen stuff compiled inside the kernel?
[22:50] <sleepster> I am trying to install my nvidia drivers and it will not let me because it says my kernel is wrong
[22:50] <sleepster> I installed ubuntu server 8
[22:51] <RAOF> sleepster: I think the Ubuntu packges for the nvidia drivers have small patches applied to make them build.
[22:51] <RAOF> That said, I don't think we build the nvidia drivers for the server kernel.
[22:52] <RAOF> Also, #ubuntu+1 is about Intrepid, not Hardy ;)
[22:52] <sleepster> oh :)
[22:52] <sleepster> sorry
[22:52] <RAOF> That's ok.
[22:52] <sleepster> but I cannot get into ubuntu because I am using mibbit
[22:52] <RAOF> It's quite quiet.
[22:52] <sleepster> I am using a proxy
[22:53] <sleepster> so is there anyway around this? maybe I will load up ubuntu server 7
[22:53] <RAOF> So, I'm not sure if we don't build nvidia drivers for the server kernel is because no one wants them or because they don't build :)
[22:53] <RAOF> sleepster: Why are you using the server kernel, again?  You could concievably just use the -generic kernel and use the Ubuntu nvidia packages.
[22:54] <sleepster> I guess I am just using the kernel shipped with server
[22:54] <sleepster> I didn't make any changes
[22:54] <RAOF> So, you could install the -generic kernel; that's one option.
[22:54] <sleepster> hmm.. I am looking for a very light weight ubuntu
[22:54] <sleepster> so I use ubuntu server + fluxbox
[22:55] <sleepster> it's been working great up until 8
[22:56] <RAOF> Install the -generic kernel and the nvidia-glx-new package :)
[22:56] <sleepster> :)
[22:56] <sleepster> okay sounds good
[22:57] <sleepster> thanks
[23:18] <EruditeHermit> taggie: thanks, I will try that out now
[23:22] <EruditeHermit> that is weird, its not downloading
[23:22] <EruditeHermit> sf having problems/
[23:27] <DarkWave43302> hi all
[23:30] <EruditeHermit> taggie: are you able to access the Linux version of unetbootin from that site?


[00:22] <ScottK> Is it on purpose there's only one amd64 builder and i386 has seven?
[00:27] <wgrant> ScottK: Someone Ubuntuish probably moved them across to take care of the langpacks.
[00:27] <ScottK> wgrant: Hmmm. Probably.  Can they be put back?
[00:28] <wgrant> Indeed, just doing so now.
[00:28] <ScottK> Cool.  Thanks.
[00:28] <wgrant> Much better.
[00:28] <ScottK> I don't suppose you can give ross a kick too?
[00:29] <wgrant> ross or rothera?
[00:29] <ScottK> Oh, I see it's better now.
[00:29] <ScottK> ross was dead a few minutes ago.
[00:29] <wgrant> Hm
[00:29] <wgrant> I didn't fix it.
[00:29] <ScottK> Indeed, kicking rothera wouldn't hurt, but we're not sort on i386 builders.
[00:29] <wgrant> It was doing nothing for 12 hours, though, which is a bit odd.
[00:30] <wgrant> rothera has hardware issues.
[00:30] <ScottK> I checked ~5 minutes ago and ross had a big red X next to it on the builder page.
[00:30] <ScottK> Maybe when you reconfigured the others something got reset?
[00:31] <wgrant> Nope. Someone else must be playing with them.
[00:31]  * ScottK suspects infinity.
[00:31] <wgrant> Indeed.
[00:33] <micahg> hloeung got ross fixed
[00:34] <wgrant> Ah
[00:34] <wgrant> Too many IS channels.
[00:40] <spm> wgrant: 6-7 isn't  "too many!!!
[00:40] <lifeless> 67 is
[00:41] <cjohnston> Does staging.launchpad.net get reset every so often, or is it something I could create a sprint on to use for testing for a week with Summit?
[00:43] <lifeless> yes, weekends
[00:43] <cjohnston> lifeless: every weekend? so if I set up a sprint on Monday, I would have ~Friday to do testing and whatnot?
[00:43] <wgrant> cjohnston: Right.
[00:43] <lifeless> yah
[00:44] <cjohnston> sweet
[00:44] <cjohnston> thanks
[01:33] <michaelh1> Hi there.  Is there a HTTP URL for https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.6/4.6-2012.03/+download/gcc-linaro-4.6-2012.03.tar.bz2?
[01:33] <michaelh1> I want to point to it from an auto builder, but want to put a HTTP proxy in the middle to cut the download time.
[01:36] <StevenK> It should redirect to the librarian
[01:45] <michaelh1> StevenK: yip, which serves over HTTPS
[01:45] <michaelh1> You can go to http://launchpad.net/*, get redirected to https://launchadlibrarian/*, hit Ctrl-C, then go to http://launchpadlibrarian/* and it will work
[01:45] <michaelh1> But that's not automatic or documented.
[01:46] <tsimpson> michaelh1: librarian is http too
[01:46] <tsimpson> just take of the 's'
[01:47] <michaelh1> I'm using an existing tool that takes an URL and then internally does a wget.  I'd have to hack it quite a bit to handle the http -> https redirect.
[01:54] <maxb> wget should easily handle downloading it over https, so what's the real problem?
[01:56] <dobey> michaelh1: echo $url|sed -e "s/^https/http/"|wget
[01:57] <StevenK> But that won't work either, since you need to redirect and then change the URI scheme.
[01:57] <dobey> michaelh1: although it shouldn't matter. the proxy is not the connection to the outside server. the proxy server should still be able to let you connect to https outside
[01:57] <michaelh1> dobey: yes, but only after I've found out what the redirect is
[01:57] <rmk> Is there any way to copy base ubuntu packages into a PPA?
[01:58] <michaelh1> This is an auto builder.  I don't want to hit Launchpad with each build due to speed and download count issues
[01:58] <dobey> rmk: no, and there isn't any need to unless you want to change it, which means you download the source, make changes, and upload to ppa
[01:59] <dobey> michaelh1: auto-builder to build packages?
[01:59] <michaelh1> No, this uses crosstool-NG to build a binary toolchain from the Linaro toolchain source
[01:59] <michaelh1> So the build scripts change but the aunchpad hosted tarball doesn't.
[01:59] <rmk> dobey: Yeah I wanted to try a rebuild of the same package for oneiric
[02:00] <michaelh1> It would be nice if a http://launchpad.net URL redirected to http://launchpadlibrarian
[02:01] <dobey> rmk: backporting things often requires a lot more work than just copying things over and rebuilding. and the version in debian/changelog should be changed to append ~oneiric1 for example, so that the actual precise version is still newer, if one were to install from the ppa, then upgrade
[02:02] <dobey> michaelh1: i don't understand why the non-ssl url matters.
[02:03] <michaelh1> Because I want to cache the file in a local proxy.  HTTPS will go through the proxy but then I'll end up re-downloading ~70 MB each time the build script changes
[02:03] <dobey> why? the proxy should still cache it
[02:03] <michaelh1> A proxy can't cache HTTPS as it would have to decrypt it
[02:04] <dobey> s/can't/isn't supposed to/ :)
[02:05] <michaelh1> dobey: afraid not unless you do HTTP to the proxy and then HTTPs past that.  You can cache it as an end user, but not in a proxy
[02:06] <rmk> dobey: Fair enough. These particular packages tend to work across distros but your point is valid.
[02:06] <dobey> michaelh1: i presume you're sticking this url inside a script or conf file said script reads?
[02:06] <rmk> I'll do a rebuild and submit it to the PPA.
[02:06] <rmk> Thanks.
[02:07] <michaelh1> dobey: yip.
[02:07] <wgrant> michaelh1: Generally that sort of caching should be done locally.
[02:07] <dobey> michaelh1: why not just stick the http://lauanchpadlibrarian.net/ url there instead?
[02:07] <michaelh1> dobey: it's hard to maintain and bypasses the download count
[02:07] <wgrant> We used to serve that over HTTP, but the world has now come to its senses.
[02:07] <wgrant> And HTTPS can be used pretty much universally.
[02:08] <wgrant> dobey: Does not bypass the download count.
[02:08] <wgrant> er, michaelh1 ^^
[02:08] <michaelh1> wgrant: OK.  It seems that a proxy using existing tools would be much easier then implementing a new type of caching in the client
[02:09] <michaelh1> I understand that HTTPS everywhere is a good goal
[02:09] <dobey> if [ ! -f $localcopy ]; then weget $remoteurl -O $localcopy; fi ?
[02:09] <wgrant> michaelh1: It would be easier, but it is also a rather bad idea to download stuff for an autobuilder without verifying it...
[02:10] <michaelh1> wgrant: true, but GPG and md5sums can help there.
[02:10] <dobey> right; so add a sha256sum check to that
[02:10] <michaelh1> Having https doesn't authenticate the package
[02:10] <wgrant> It doesn't, no.
[02:11] <dobey> nor does having a proxy cache it
[02:12] <wgrant> Sure, but you could verify it against a trusted signature afterwards.
[02:13] <michaelh1> Yip.  And having a proxy means nothing to manage, faster downloads, and no change or hacks to the tool set.
[02:13] <wgrant> Anyway, we will not serve things over HTTP.
[02:14] <wgrant> If you don't want to implement local caching (like most build tools do), you'll need to intercept the redirect and rewrite it to HTTP.
[02:14] <dobey> except for having to manage a proxy. :)
[02:27] <maxb> Re above.... actually you can copy Ubuntu primary archive packages into a PPA
[02:27] <maxb> Which is actually really handy at times
[02:28] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/~maxb/+archive/preserved for example
[02:32] <dobey> and *how* do you do that exactly?
[02:33] <bigjools> with the API
[02:33] <dobey> right
[02:33] <bigjools> see Archive.syncSource
[02:33] <dobey> so in other words, you can't do it on the web site.
[02:33] <bigjools> not reliably
[02:33] <dobey> and most people don't want to write a program to do it
[02:34] <micahg> ISTR soren writing a tool for that
[02:34] <bigjools> the kind of people who want to do it are the kind of people who can write some code to do it
[02:34] <wgrant> Where 'some code' == 1 line in lp-shell
[02:34] <bigjools> it's like three lines total
[02:34] <dobey> i don't see why anyone would want to do that
[02:35] <bigjools> well, feel free to fix the timeouts on the archive page if you want to do it in the UI
[02:35] <dobey> i don't want to do it :)
[02:36] <bigjools> "you
[02:36] <bigjools> "
[02:36] <bigjools> :)
[02:36] <dobey> heh
[02:36] <dobey> it just seems like something that is too easy for people to get wrong and break things
[02:36] <bigjools> the PPA page is not designed to handle the 16k+ packages that's in the Ubuntu archive
[02:36] <dobey> sure
[02:37] <bigjools> and it's rather trivial too either use the API or download the package and re-upload
[02:37] <dobey> i am very aquainted with launchpad timeouts :)
[02:37] <bigjools> s/too/to/
[02:37] <dobey> yeah; download + dch + debuild + upload, seems like the best option for that
[02:38] <bigjools> dget to download
[02:38] <bigjools> very easy
[02:38] <dobey> anyway. i am not in oz. so i should probably get off here :)
[02:38] <bigjools> can even re-use the orig
[02:39] <dobey> aye; though it gets a bit more complicated if you're pulling from say oneiric, and building on lucid (since updates/proposed/etc might be the right place to pull from, and it's not always obvious)
[02:40] <dobey> anyway. night :)
[02:40] <maxb> I have to admit, I copied all the things to that PPA URL I posted using the web ui
[02:40] <maxb> and some carefully calculated URL hacking
[02:41] <bigjools> you're clued in :)
[07:45] <Pikkachu> how to delete packages form the PPA?
[08:32] <vivekimsit1> How can I merge my branch with some other branch?
[08:33] <nigelb> )/ws 30
[09:18] <vivekimsit1> How can I merge my branch with some other branch?
[09:20] <bigjools> vivekimsit1: bzr help merge
[09:21] <vivekimsit1> I can't find this link :"Click on the Propose for merging into another branch link. "
[09:22] <czajkowski> vivekimsit1: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/user-guide/merging_changes.html  may be of some use to you
[09:34] <vivekimsit1> I not able to find the link "propose for merging the branch "! in the launchpad
[09:47] <jelmer> vivekimsit1: it should be on the branch web page
[09:48] <vivekimsit1> jelmer: Its not visible on my branch page! you can check it! : https://code.launchpad.net/~vivekimsit/commission/trunk
[09:51] <jelmer> vivekimsit1: it doesn't look like there are any other branches in the project
[09:51] <jelmer> vivekimsit1: you need at least two branches, as you'd merge one into the other
[09:52] <vivekimsit1> jelmer: Ya! Ok! but I want to merge my branch with some other project's branch (They basically the same but with diff names)
[09:57] <jelmer> vivekimsit1: I'm not sure if you can do cross-project merge proposals in Launchpad; bzr should support cross-project merges though.
[11:03] <DNX> hi guys! Do I have any chance to change my username with another already existing but unused? Few days ago I've mailed the account owner to ask him if they use this LP account, but no response received. Can you help me?
[11:03] <czajkowski> DNX: wasn;t that friday I suggested to mail them ?
[11:04] <DNX> yes czajkowski, you remember right
[11:05] <czajkowski> DNX: yup maybe give it till friday and give the person a chance to reply
[11:05] <DNX> :)
[11:06] <DNX> oook czajkowski, thank you
[11:09] <DNX> czajkowski, because this stops me to contribute more to https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-accomplishments-web-editor
[11:09] <DNX> or I'll be able to move my branch later?
[11:10] <czajkowski> DNX: nothing stops a person contributing :)
[11:11] <DNX> :) "contribute more"... because there are already some pull requests accepted from me. BTW you are right!
[11:12] <DNX> ok, I'll continue with my current nickname... until DNX' owner will respond
[11:12] <DNX> thank you for your time
[11:47] <Pikkachu> can anyone tell me why these packages weren't deleted yet? https://launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[11:47] <Pikkachu> the non-date and 20120311 were a mistake, only 20120315 should be there
[13:18] <XavB> Hi, I am trying to rebuild xserver for ARM + one patch on LP, armhf build is OK, unfortunately armel build is failing with strange error: "qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped" - https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/omap-trunk/+build/3293012
[13:19] <XavB> This was OK with previous xserver version: https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/omap-trunk/+build/3254321
[13:19] <XavB> Is it a known issue?
[13:38] <ndec_> lool: did you see question from XavB ^^^. looks like there are qemu builders now?
[14:08] <lool> ndec_: that's right
[14:08] <lool> XavB: Hey
[14:09] <ndec_> so now there are new bugs ;-)
[14:09] <lool> XavB: There have been two types of errors hitting QEMU based builders really badly in the last weeks
[14:09] <lool> there was a workaround, but it would cause regressions for other uses
[14:09] <lool> the workaround was to set QEMU_RESERVED_VA=0
[14:09] <lool> the problem occurs on 64-bits host with 32-bits QEMU (our case)
[14:10] <lool> Then the QEMU mmap implementation would fail
[14:10] <ndec_> where to put this WA?
[14:10] <lool> this is something we patched in the qemu package that gets used there
[14:11] <lool> now Peter Maydell from Linaro redesigned this upstream starting from the OBS patches and I think we have patches so that it would work in all cases
[14:11] <lool> but the new qemu release had a regression, so that I'm not sure where it stands
[14:11] <lool> the next steps would be to merge the latest qemu-linaro release with a patch in precise, then use it for our buildds
[14:11] <ndec_> ouch... and how do we reliably build packages on LP then?
[14:11] <ndec_> is qemu used for armel only?
[14:12] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/956875 seems to be a bug on the topic
[14:12] <lool> the regression preventing the precise update is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/928432
[14:13] <lool> and the original discussion on the workaround and such is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/883136
[14:14] <lool> ndec_: I don't know whether it's enabled for armhf too; in fact, I don't know whether it's meant as a replacement for all virtual PPAs, for all non-virtual PPAs, or just for another set of PPAs; I would think Adam Conrad (infinity) would know, it's actually a project lead by buildd admins/sysadmins at Canonical AFAICT
[14:14] <lool> Nick Moffitt being one of the engineers working on the deployment of qemu binaries in buildd chroots
[14:15] <lool> slangasek is the person packaging new qemu-linaro updates into precise
[14:16] <XavB> lool: apparently, armhf builds are not using qemu
[14:16] <lool> In fact, it seems the new release is already in precise https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-linaro/1.0.50-2012.03-0ubuntu1
[14:17] <lool> XavB: indeed, I see e.g. https://launchpad.net/builders/peryton as a PPA buildd which has "QEMU Armel buildd", but the two armhf PPA buildds don't have that
[14:18] <lool> that said, it would look exactly the same for armhf
[14:18] <lool> and it should if you ask me  :-)
[14:19] <XavB> lool: in fact, the most critical for me is the armhf version that is available even if armel build is KO, so I am happy to have different config for armhf... :D
[14:20] <lool> hehe
[14:20] <lool> XavB: You'd have to check with buildd admins as to which PPAs use QEMU buildds vs. real hardware for armel
[15:11] <elopio> Good morning.
[15:12] <elopio> I'm using launchpadlib on precise, and I get this on login_with
[15:12] <elopio> ssl.SSLError: [Errno 185090050] _ssl.c:340: error:0B084002:x509 certificate routines:X509_load_cert_crl_file:system lib
[15:12] <elopio> have you seen that? any idea?
[15:43] <czajkowski> elopio: has this onlys tarted to happen today ?
[15:43] <elopio> czajkowski: I noted it yesterday. But I haven't run the launchpadlib scripts for a couple of weeks.
[15:44] <czajkowski> are you still seeing the issues now if so can you file a bug and I'll get it looked into please?
[15:45] <elopio> czajkowski: sure. One second...
[15:45] <czajkowski> elopio: thanks
[15:57] <elopio> czajkowski: bug #959429
[15:57] <czajkowski> elopio: thanks
[16:02] <jadoe> Hi there. I just created a launchpad account.   http://s3.imgimg.de/uploads/launchpadad1b471apng.png Is this normal?
[16:03] <czajkowski> jadoe: what browser are you using ?
[16:03] <jadoe> midori and firefox, looks this way in both of them
[16:04] <czajkowski> jadoe: and what OS ?
[16:04] <jonrafkind> if I upload a new package for some series, are all the old packages (source/binaries) deleted for that series?
[16:05] <czajkowski> jadoe: also what is the lp ac name please?
[16:05] <apw> when i add a new GPG key to my account, is it only the current contact address email which is notified ?
[16:06] <jadoe> czajkowski: account name = email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:06] <jadoe> czajkowski: Ubuntu 11.10
[16:06] <czajkowski> jadoe: user name?
[16:06] <jadoe> czajkowski: Alfons Bauer
[16:07] <czajkowski> apw: yes
[16:07] <czajkowski> jadoe: I'm not seeing the lp page created under the email address or alfons
[16:08] <czajkowski> jadoe: on the lp page launchpad.net/~username what is the username ?
[16:11] <jadoe> czajkowski: the site I get to, when I click on my name? https://launchpad.net/~78luphr0rnk2nuqimstywepozxn9kl19tqh0tx66b5dki1xxsh5mkz9gl21a5rlwfnr8jn6ln0m3jxne2k9x1oh-90kfclz5t-a811i2i3ytqlsztthjth0svbccw8inm65tmkqp9sarr553jq53in4xm1m8wn3o4rlwaer06ogwvqwv9mrqoku2x
[16:12] <jadoe> czajkowski: I don't see a "user name" there, only  launchpad id. and launchpad id is that long letter-number-mess
[16:12] <czajkowski> jadoe: yes that is a bit messy
[16:12] <czajkowski> what did you want it to be
[16:13] <jadoe> czajkowski: i don't remember being asked for it, only name, mail, password. are you about to change it? jadoe
[16:13] <czajkowski> jadoe: you already have an account set up https://launchpad.net/~jadoe
[16:13] <czajkowski> shall I remove the other account for you?
[16:14]  * jadoe is confused now
[16:14] <jadoe> one sec
[16:14] <czajkowski> you've created 2 accounts and the user name Jadoe is one of the them, and the other you seem to have copied some long string into the user name text box
[16:14] <jadoe> czajkowski: ok, remove the new on
[16:15] <czajkowski> done
[16:16] <jadoe> clipit says I did not have that string in the clipboard. how could I have copied it in the user name text box? and where was that user name text box? I don't remember seeing it. But never mind, thank you.
[16:40] <jonrafkind> if I upload a new package for some series, are all the old packages (source/binaries) deleted for that series?
[16:46] <czajkowski> jonrafkind: may be of some use to you https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading#Uploading_with_SFTP
[17:04] <jonrafkind> i dont see my question answered in that section
[21:00] <ScottK> Did LP change it's download URL patters a few months ago?  Debian/watch files for my LP hosted projects no longer work.
[21:01] <ScottK> This used to work:
[21:01] <ScottK> http://launchpad.net/authentication-results-python/+download http://launchpad.net/authentication-results-python/.*/.*/authres-(.*)\.tar\.gz debian uupdate
[21:01] <ScottK> What would it be now?
[21:05] <dobey> ScottK: what version are you expecting it to pick up?
[21:05] <ScottK> 0.399 now
[21:05] <ScottK> It doesn't pick up any version at all anymore.
[21:07] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/authentication-results-python/trunk/0.399/+download/authres-0.399.tar.gz
[21:07] <ScottK> It didn't pick up https://launchpad.net/authentication-results-python/0.3/0.3/+download/authres-0.3.tar.gz either when that was the current release.
[21:07] <dobey> hrmm, that's odd
[21:08] <dobey> it seems to also not work when i run uscan in lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-installer
[21:08] <dobey> or at least, it does something and just exits. doesn't print anything
[21:08] <ScottK> Got it.
[21:08] <dobey> and exits with code 1
[21:08] <ScottK> If I change the second one to https:// it works.
[21:09] <dobey> ah
[21:10] <dobey> i guess it did change and broke uscan :(
[22:10] <wgrant> ScottK: We removed direct HTTP access a month or so back, because there was very little justification for it past 2006.
[22:11] <ScottK> wgrant: Reasonable.
[22:11] <ScottK> It just broke all my watch files ...
[22:11] <wgrant> Heh
[22:11] <jelmer> mine too :)
[22:11] <wgrant> Should have all been HTTPS already, I guess :)
[22:12] <ScottK> I rarely examine watch files beyond the point of "it works".
[22:12] <ScottK> I cargo culted the format for an LP watch file from somewhere.


[00:08] <tomreyn> CryptoSiD: looks like btrfs issues
[00:11] <CryptoSiD> would reinstalling "btrfs-progs" help?
[00:11] <CryptoSiD> I'm guessing it's deeper than this:D
[00:15] <tomreyn> i would think it's depper than that if it works with one kernel but not the other
[00:15] <tomreyn> why are you using 4.19, not 5.0 or 4.20?
[00:39] <CryptoSiD> good Q, it install 4.19 automatically when i upgraded to Disco
[00:40] <CryptoSiD> there is no 4.20 or 5.0 as far as i can see
[00:44] <lotuspsychje> CryptoSiD: playing with kernels on dingo for a reason?
[00:48] <hggdh> CryptoSiD: 4.19 is not available on Disco
[00:51] <CryptoSiD> It's available in "disco-proposed"
[00:52] <CryptoSiD> I gotta leave for work, back in ~1 hour.
[00:52] <CryptoSiD> (blizzard in mtl)
[00:52] <hggdh> CryptoSiD: any -proposed repo will only have packages NOT YET approved