[00:05] <Psi-Jack> SpamapS: heh, so far, so good. There was a depenancy conflict because it was looking for a slightly newer version of pacemaker-dev, but I think it built the debs. :d
[00:07] <SpamapS> Psi-Jack: if it all works out, you should submit it as a backport.
[00:08] <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah, prolly. :)
[00:08] <Psi-Jack> First now I gotta finish setting up pacemaker enough to allow me to use it. ;)
[01:04] <CppIsWeird> how do you control which user a service starts up using?
[01:06] <constantin_mike> hello. i'm back with the "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" problem. when i do that, i get this "/etc/default/rcS: 1: [Desktop: not found". can anyone help me?
[01:30] <JuJuBee> Can someone help me get nfs-kernel-server started ?  It currently takes about 5 minutes or so and fails.  I purged it and re-installed it 2x already
[03:19] <faileas> I'm attempting to set up openvpn on ubuntu server using this guide - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN - i am quite sure i have the port open (but i need to drop by to that location to check) but can't seem to connect from my client. I'm wondering if there's any way that i can check if the server's listening/connectable before i start tearing apart my client side setup
[03:22] <faileas> client side logs - http://pastebin.ca/1926431 server side logs - http://pastebin.ca/1926432
[03:24]  * ball is confused
[03:25] <faileas> by me or something else?
[03:25] <ball> faileas: Life generally.
[03:26] <ball> brb
[03:32] <ball> Is it possible to partition an "md" software RAID array?
[04:23] <qiyong> what's the standard tool to configure rc.d ? rcconf isn't shipped. so what tools else?
[04:49] <itsux2bu> so when i installed ubuntu-server i was presented with a list of server related apps to install..  like lamp/openssh/samba etc.. i just ran something called Taslsel.. it looks just like the list shown at install time..  its cool..
[04:49] <itsux2bu> *tasksel
[05:32] <itsux2bu> is there anything in 32-bit ubuntu server that captures screen output during boot up?  i see a red dot but screen clears too quickly to see text next to it..  or does ubuntu keep any boot logs?
[06:29] <MatBoy> what is the way to upgrade my testserver to the testing branche ?
[08:08] <UnGoWyzre> Olla brodderz
[08:09] <UnGoWyzre> ikonia brotha hola
[08:09] <UnGoWyzre> bazhang brotha hello
[08:39] <droogie> I've just installed iRedmail following their instructions and I encountered a problem. I know this is perhaps not the correct channel to ask the question, but I'll try anyway. Everything except phpldapadmin works fine. The problem with phpldapadmin is that it is unable to base dn and thus object navigation is broken. I've verified the dn I use to login with in slapd.conf and it is correct. I can search the ldapdatabase using phpldapa
[10:56] <ikonia> off to the gym please keep an eye out for ranjan ban dodging and goat-re was kicked as chipped_cpu earlier
[10:56] <ikonia> oops
[12:44] <Psi-Jack> Wow, pacemaker is effing awesome when you understand it. :D
[12:51] <Psi-Jack> What do I need to have installed for pacemaker to use ocf:pacemaker:controld?
[12:51] <Psi-Jack> For the dlm system to work.
[12:53] <wastl> hi
[12:54] <Guest56018> hello
[12:55] <Guest56018> can i make a question about my ubuntu server, which is running on amazon ec2?
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> You just did.
[12:55] <wastl> lol
[12:55] <wastl> indeed
[12:55] <wastl> *g*
[12:56] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[12:56] <Psi-Jack> Trying to figure out what I need to install to get dlm working with ocf:pacemaker:controld.
[12:57] <Psi-Jack> I installed cman even though I'm using pacemaker, but it still gives a dlm: not installed rc status.
[13:10] <Guest56018> I have found an AMI with Ubuntu 10.04 installed, it is EBS and i configured everything. The performance is on c1.small
[13:10] <Guest56018> What can i do to increase the performance to e.g. c1.xlarge
[13:10] <Daviey> "performance"?
[13:11] <Guest56018> http://aws.amazon.com/de/ec2/instance-types/
[13:11] <Daviey> Guest56018: You essentially want to upgrade your instance to a higher spec?
[13:11] <Guest56018> Amazon is offering different performance types for their virtual machines.
[13:12] <Guest56018> Thats right, but with the current data on my volume
[13:15] <Daviey> Guest56018:  smoser might be able to help.  It's not really a Ubuntu specific issue :(
[13:25] <RoyK> apt-get install \*
[13:26] <RoyK> :D
[13:31] <RoyK> hi all. I have this machine used as a number cruncher - it seems the kernel is leaking memory somehow. See http://pastebin.com/ZFbxG3Ni for free/slabinfo/ps. any idea what may cause this?
[13:35] <Psi-Jack> Hmm interesting.
[13:36] <Psi-Jack> I upgraded to the PPA for lucid-cluster for pacemaker stuff, which got me dlm controld for it all, but the ocf:pacemaker:controld does not have the parameter for "daemon".
[13:36] <pmatulis> RoyK: why do you say there is a leak?
[13:46] <Psi-Jack> Heh, interesting. Though the ocf:pacemaker:countrold doesn't have the "daemon" paremeter, it checks the resource-name instance for if it has [gG][fF][sS] or [dD][lL][mM] in it to determine if it's a gfs or dlm instance. ;)
[13:49] <smoser> Guest56018, your big issue is with architecture. the largest you can go in i386 is c1.medium.
[13:49] <smoser> If you want to move to c1.medium, its easy.
[13:50] <Guest56018> wow, nice! OK; i have to make a whole new AMI (like ubuntu 64bit), and do everything again
[13:51] <smoser> you stop the instance (ec2-stop-instances), and then start the instance with a new --instance-type (ec2-modify-instance-attribute --instance-type c1.medium <iid>) , ec2-start-instances
[13:51] <ttx> hggdh, kirkland: ping me when around. need status on server-maverick-uec-testing and server-maverick-uec-liveusb
[13:52] <Guest56018> Thank you, very helpful! Do there exist different package versions of 32 and 64 bit? I use apache, php, exim4 and so on
[13:52] <smoser> i have never tried it, but it may be possible for you to boot an i386 root filesystem on an x86_64 arch, you'd have to get the x86_64 modules installed in the root filesytem though.  (you probably dont want to do this)
[13:52] <Guest56018> I cannot migrate my 32 bit EBS to a 64 bit AMI
[13:53] <smoser> well, maybe you coudl. its just not goig nto be easy or ideal.
[13:53] <smoser> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/releases/10.04/
[13:53] <smoser> those are our released AMI ids.  we should have refreshed ones later today.
[13:53] <smoser> just pick a x86_64 instance, basically everything will be the same unless you have some arch specific code.
[13:54] <Guest56018> OK understood everything! Thank you!! I do it from scratch again with your AMIs and hope that everything that worked in the 32 bit now works again
[13:54] <smoser> there really is very little "works on i386 doesn't on x86_64"
[13:55] <Guest56018> Final question: This is one possibility to "scale up". Another possibility is to scale up with multiple instances and a load balancer. i have now 5 instances running of one AMI. but where do i have to attach my EBS volume to?
[13:55] <Guest56018> i don't have RDS nor S3, only an apache website with CPU-needing programs on it.
[14:01] <mamac> sisi
[14:01] <mamac> partyboy77, hello
[14:02] <partyboy77_> Mamac are you here ??
[14:03] <RoyK> pmatulis: because I'm blind :þ
[14:03] <mamac> partyboy77, yes I am
[14:10] <partyboy77_> Hello, someone knows the book "The Official Ubuntu Server Book" ??
[14:12] <ewook> I belive that might not be updated to the latest, if it resides within the community.
[14:12] <ewook> more then that, I do not know.
[14:15] <RoyK> partyboy77_: never heard of it :)
[14:16] <RoyK> partyboy77_: the review here was quite positive http://millionchimpanzees.blogspot.com/2009/08/official-ubuntu-server-book.html
[14:17] <RoyK> hm
[14:17] <RoyK> ven going through just this chapter, I got the impression that the book is geared for the newbie (or wannabe) Linux server administrator. If you have some experience in the Linux server (or just the server) admin arena, the challenge for you might only be getting up to speed with Ubuntu's tips and tricks
[14:17] <RoyK> s/ven/even/
[14:23] <partyboy77> I would know which is the best site to begin with Ubuntu Server ??
[14:23] <Pici> !serverguide
[14:24]  * wastl redirects partyboy77 to #ubuntu-server
[14:24] <wastl> *g*
[14:24] <Pici> wastl: thats here
[14:24] <wastl> oops
[14:24] <wastl> :m
[14:24] <partyboy77> :)
[14:24] <mamac> wastl, :-)
[14:25] <partyboy77> alcool is so sad.....
[14:25] <wastl> am on too many chans and am too busy here...
[14:25]  * wastl is still at work...
[14:26]  * wastl gives himself a double m) for this
[14:28] <partyboy77> Ok for Server Guide but is it possible to find it in pdf format ??
[14:29] <mamac> http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2F9.04%2Fserverguide%2FC%2Fserverguide.pdf&rct=j&q=ubuntu%20server%20guide%20pdf&ei=ob13TOnkLs-gOK3FkbsG&usg=AFQjCNHHiygn5_2a3DJ7OhOmUfMC7f_lkw&cad=rja
[14:29] <pmatulis> partyboy77: asking for the best starting point for learning about a CLI environment and then wanting it in PDF format is a bad start
[14:30] <partyboy77> okok
[14:30] <partyboy77> .....
[14:42] <MTecknology> what's the cheapest possible vps?
[14:43] <ewook> your own?
[14:52]  * Psi-Jack sighs.
[14:52] <Psi-Jack> Still on that eh, MTecknology?
[14:53] <MTecknology> Psi-Jack: I just +b -> ##fix_your_connection
[14:53] <Psi-Jack> Okay, and?
[14:53] <mamac> what does vps stand for?
[14:53] <MTecknology> If they come back I want to direct them to using a vps if they can't keep a reliable connection
[14:54] <Psi-Jack> mamac: Virtual Private Server
[14:54] <MTecknology> virtual private server
[14:54] <Psi-Jack> MTecknology: Heh. That's a bit overkill isn't it? :p
[14:55] <Psi-Jack> Some people's internet connections become temporarily unstable while, for example, their ISP is doing maintenance, or thunderstorms causing interuptions in service, or ... Well, various levels of possabilities.
[14:55] <MTecknology> Psi-Jack: it's the last thing I'll suggest to them - but I'd like to know in advance
[14:55] <MTecknology> It's been consistent for a few months
[14:55] <MTecknology> 200 joins/parts this month
[14:56] <MTecknology> sometimes 3 or more nicks in the channel
[14:56] <Psi-Jack> Sometimes, that's even freenode's IRC servers being unstable.
[14:58] <MTecknology> this is their own connection though
[15:02] <MTecknology> $6.95/mo for a VPS and then you'd also get to host a website
[15:02] <MTecknology> probably a php-free website
[15:06] <patdk-wk> MTecknology, you banning me? :)
[15:07] <MTecknology> patdk-wk: yes, you! get out!
[15:07] <MTecknology> patdk-wk: in lastlog I don't even see a join/part from you
[15:07] <patdk-wk> hmm, only two of me in here right now
[15:08] <Psi-Jack> heh, patdk-wk.
[15:08] <patdk-wk> heh, short lastlog list :)
[15:08] <patdk-wk> look for patrickdk :)
[15:08] <patdk-wk> isp died for just over an hour yesterday
[15:09] <MTecknology> patdk-wk: oh, that's still nothing
[15:09] <MTecknology> patdk-wk: http://dpaste.com/234841/]
[15:09] <MTecknology> I ran /names 3x
[15:10] <patdk-wk> those are fun
[15:10] <Psi-Jack> Heh, well, so far I got my pacemaker running drbd with gfs2 successfully. :)
[15:10] <Psi-Jack> Now all I gotta do is figure out how the frack to get clvm working with it. heh
[15:10] <patdk-wk> hmm doesn't know if it's wise to hack you pacemaker
[15:11] <patdk-wk> are you scared of killing you heart?
[15:11] <Psi-Jack> heh
[15:31] <iceflatline> hi all, I'm installing ubuntu server on vmware; any recommendations for minimum mem allocation and hard disk space?
[15:31] <thesheff17_> I did aptitude install multipath-tools and it didn't create an /etc/multipath.conf file.  Where can I find this conf file?
[15:34] <thesheff17_> iceflatline: runs fine w/ 512 megs of ram.  Just scale up what you are running on the server from there.
[15:35] <iceflatline> thesheff17, gotcha, thanks much.
[15:36] <hggdh> iceflatline: depends on what you want to do; for simple tests, I usually boot a 256M instance; for heavier tests, usually a 512
[15:38] <iceflatline> hggdh: small home svn and web server - nothing too killer.  First time with VMware though...
[15:41] <patdk-wk> iceflatline,  what are you going use it for?
[15:41] <patdk-wk> hmm, web could use some mem, all depends
[15:41] <patdk-wk> vmware is good at swapping mem though
[15:41] <MTecknology> iceflatline: I had my first web server on about 16MB RAM - It didn't go fast.. but it worked - now I'd suggested a minimum of ~64MB for Ubuntu server + Nginx
[15:42] <MTecknology> no.. it was 8MB..
[15:42] <MTecknology> I think, I know I decked it out
[15:42] <patdk-wk> smallest I could get ubuntu server to use was 24megs ram :)
[15:42] <iceflatline> patdk-wk: thanks. I've got plenty of sys mem, so would prefer to avoid swapping if I can. I was considering bumping virtual mem to 1024
[15:43] <patdk-wk> iceflatline, is this vmware workstation? or esxi?
[15:43] <iceflatline> patdk-wk: server
[15:43] <patdk-wk> esxi, just overallocate like nuts
[15:43] <iceflatline> :)
[15:43] <patdk-wk> hmm, dunno about server, thought it was dead :)
[15:44] <iceflatline> k, I'll start with the (vmware) recommended 512 and see how it feels. Thanks for the help guys.
[15:46] <ttx> hggdh: around ?
[15:50] <hggdh> ttx: here
[15:51] <ttx> hggdh: about the uec-testing spec. The items on your shoulders are still up for completion by next week ?
[15:51]  * hggdh goes to look at the spec
[15:51] <newz2000> help, I have a job that won't finish unless I give it more ram, can I take a running kvm and add more ram to it w/out restarting the jobs?
[15:54] <hggdh> ttx: of the 3 I have: TAP -- I will mark done; elastic IP -- will do it this week; 2.0 code drops -- I think we can mark this as done?
[15:55] <ttx> hggdh: yes, please do now
[15:55] <hggdh> ttx: also, I noticed kirkland has the basic EBS testing -- Sylvain's script does it, so maybe we can mark it done?
[15:55] <ttx> I need updated status for the release meeting starting in ... 4 min
[15:56] <ttx> hggdh: sync that with kirkland, but i'd say yes, do it
[15:57] <hggdh> ttx: updated, including kirkland's task. I will sync with him later on
[15:57] <ttx> hggdh: ack, thanks
[16:01] <Psi-Jack> Hmm blast-it all to heck.
[16:02] <Psi-Jack> Seems like I'm going to have to use both cman and pacemaker just to get clvm working. :/
[16:02] <Psi-Jack> At least I don't have to use rgmanager though. :0
[16:12] <smoser> ttx, with no ebs root support in eucalyptus, i dont see any huge value in euca2ools 1.3
[16:12] <smoser> so i would say stick with 1.2
[16:13] <hggdh> smoser: I agree, but I would still like to run (for a test) 1.3
[16:13] <ttx> smoser: that is quickly becoming our common position
[16:38] <Psi-Jack> Is it even possible to run clvm without cman?
[16:43] <smoser> Hey. i'm looking for suggestions...
[16:44] <Psi-Jack> Suggestion: Ask your question.
[16:44] <smoser> I have been running, for quite a while, tests from lp:~smoser/+junk/ec2-test
[16:44] <smoser> that really needs to move to the ubuntu-on-ec2 project or somewhere, but ignore that for the moment.
[16:44] <smoser> what i'm looking for suggestions on is that it creates logs of the test results.
[16:45] <smoser> I'd like to store those logs somewher other than my laptop :)
[16:45] <smoser> a bzr branch along side of the test suite, seems to be a reasonable place, but the logs are somewhat large (I currenlty have 86M of logs)
[16:46] <G> Psi-Jack: I'm pretty sure no
[16:46] <smoser> they're text, so they compress well, but compressing them before checking them in means that a.) they're less useful and b.) they're binary blobs in a revision control system.
[16:46] <G> Psi-Jack: I worked w/ cman a lot w/ my old job, and I'm pretty sure clvmd has to use cman for locking
[16:46] <smoser> hggdh, i think that you are checking in logs larger than that, though, is that right ?
[16:47] <G> Psi-Jack: I'll just have a quick look
[16:47] <Psi-Jack> G: Actually, I just did. Just that the ubuntu clvmd init script checks for /etc/cluster/cluster.conf and cman_tool status, but cman communicates through openais and dlm_controld for /everything/, which I already have pacemaker bringing up dlm_controld and it's of course using openais.
[16:48] <Psi-Jack> Err... clvmd communicates through...
[16:50] <Psi-Jack> So far though, now that I took out those initial checks in clvmd, it's running and appearing to function without cman at all.
[16:53] <Psi-Jack> It's just like people think gfs2 requires cman to work, because of gfs_controld, but it's not required, as I'm initiating gfs_controld from pacemaker. ;)
[16:53] <G> Psi-Jack: well the reason for that is because it's the only solution that Red Hat officially supports (why people think it's the only way)
[16:54] <Psi-Jack> Yep. :)
[16:54] <Psi-Jack> Pacemaker's definitely come a looooooong way.
[16:54] <Psi-Jack> As has it's documentation, for once I finally understand it!
[17:00] <Psi-Jack> And there's even an ocf provider lvm2 which has clvmd. ;)
[17:10] <SpamapS> Psi-Jack: how did your tests go with the pacemaker client?
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> SpamapS: It works great!
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> I didn't know pacemaker-mgmt was so nice, but it's pretty decent. Much better than pacemaker-pygui used to be.
[17:12] <SpamapS> Psi-Jack: Do you know how to upload to a PPA? Would be awesome to have one available since we probably won't be syncing it into Maverick.
[17:12] <Psi-Jack> SpamapS: I don't know how to, presently, no.
[17:13] <hggdh> smoser: oh yes. Even compressed, I checked in logs adding up to ~80M
[17:13] <SpamapS> Psi-Jack: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[17:13] <smoser> and this is what you ended up settling on, eh?
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> SpamapS: Alrighty. I'll look into that in a bit. ;)
[17:14] <hggdh> smoser: yes, but much against my will. I found nothing else...
[17:14] <smoser> yeah. and you check in binaries, right ?
[17:15] <smoser> the .tar.gz rather than the source
[17:15] <hggdh> I check in tar.gz
[17:15] <smoser> yeah
[17:15] <hggdh> of course, every new checkin is a brand new checkin...
[17:15] <smoser> why did you choose to do that ?
[17:15] <smoser> versus checking in the tar
[17:15] <smoser> err.
[17:15] <smoser> not the tar, but the text output
[17:15] <hggdh> because of the time it would take to upload them all
[17:16] <hggdh> each long-running test adds up to 300M of logs
[17:16] <smoser> hm..
[17:16] <smoser> is that true ?
[17:16] <hggdh> well, I am playing it safe, so I save *all* logs
[17:16] <smoser> a bzr push should send the repo, not the checked out files, and the repo may be compressed for you
[17:17] <smoser> git can do wonderful things in that regard.
[17:17] <smoser> lifeless, ?
[17:17] <hggdh> oh
[17:17] <hggdh> bloody hell, I forgot that bzr does a good part of it
[17:17] <hggdh> :-(
[17:17] <smoser> is there reason for me to compress (ie, create a .tar.gz) before checking something in ? will that gain me anything ? versus checking in a large bunch of text files
[17:18] <smoser> git does a fantastic job. i really dont have any experience with bzr in this regard.
[17:18] <RoyK> smoser: it'll break svn diff
[17:18] <smoser> well, i dont think svn diff would work anyway :) (its bzr)
[17:18] <smoser> :)
[17:18] <RoyK> k
[17:19] <smoser> but yeah, i am just wondering if there is *any* benefit to doing it.
[17:19] <hggdh> and, in my case, every new log upload is a Brand New Directory, so no diffs
[17:19] <smoser> at first blush, it seems like you're compressing something, so that will smaller.
[17:19] <hggdh> smoser: I can try
[17:19] <smoser> hggdh, but even the new directory may be compressed.
[17:20] <smoser> ie, you could store *everything* in .bzr in a packed/compressed format
[17:20] <hggdh> right now I tar -cz every thing I upload
[17:20] <smoser> that is what git does.
[17:20] <smoser> right.
[17:20] <smoser> i'm just saying, that may buy you nothing savings in local storage.
[17:20]  * RoyK sniggers http://karlsbakk.net/top-24.png
[17:21] <hggdh> yeah. I have to test it
[17:22] <smoser> above that should have said "nothing but savings in local storage of the checked out branch"
[17:25] <hggdh> which might be enough for me, with each test run adding in a few hundreds M
[17:26] <hggdh> still, I will check it
[17:34] <smoser> hggdh, my queries in bzr indicate that you should check in the full log files
[17:34] <zul> smoser: couldnt you store the diff?
[17:34] <smoser> well, in this case (hggdh's and mine) there is no diff, really.
[17:35] <smoser> and in both cases, even if there were, thats basically what bzr is trying to generically do
[17:37] <hggdh> smoser: I will try it on next save
[17:40] <squidly> anyone hwere use libvirtd? I'm tying to do a couple of tests mostly moving servers between kvm hosts.. but I keep getting an error about the monitor not shoing up
[17:40] <squidly> this happens if I do it with a win VP or an ubuntu VM
[17:47] <n0a1ias> hey, I want a server, and i want it to run ubuntu, but i dont know what i want to do with it
[17:47] <n0a1ias> what are some of the things i could do with ubuntu server
[17:47] <mickster04> n0a1ias: lol, what a question
[17:48] <squidly> n0a1ias: what ever you want
[17:48] <n0a1ias> mickster04, yea i know, sorry ha
[17:48] <mickster04> n0a1ias: web server ssh server, samba, lamp, the list is endless
[17:48] <n0a1ias> shh? lamp? sambaa?
[17:48] <mickster04> n0a1ias: you could install a steam dedicated sever for many of its games, infact any online game will prolly have a server program that you can install]
[17:49] <mickster04> n0a1ias: woah...ok you need to go to the ubunt server site and do some reading...
[17:49] <n0a1ias> yea im on it now as well as here
[17:49] <mickster04> if you don't know what it can do or what you wanna use it for why have it, you can do most things with ubuntu anyway
[17:50] <squidly> why not start out with something basic.. like a webserver
[17:50] <n0a1ias> because i have an old computer and dont know what to do with it
[17:50] <n0a1ias> ok i dont have a website, i guess i better make one
[17:52] <n0a1ias> once i have a website how would i put it on the server?
[17:53] <n0a1ias> like im using webs.com
[17:53] <smoser> n0a1ias, or maybe you want to learn assembly programming, or write documentation, or learn python/C/perl/. web hosting is not the only thing you can do.
[17:54] <mickster04> n0a1ias: with all due respect this is a help channel not a hold your hand channel. there are plenty of good guides out there...
[17:54] <smoser> figuring out what you *want* to do is probably a good place to start :)
[17:55] <n0a1ias> haha, im not into programing, in taking cico classes and im gonna be a computer engineer, so is there anything i would need for that?
[17:55] <squidly> smoser: that only place to start really.. unless you want a server there doing nothing except warming your house and using more power
[17:55] <smoser> cico == cisco ?
[17:55] <n0a1ias> wel im am cold....
[17:56] <webwurst> n0a1ias: and here is the link regarding ubuntu-server http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ :)
[17:56] <n0a1ias> yes, im on a netbook with a small keyboard, sorry
[17:56] <mickster04> n0a1ias: yeah, when my room gets cold I play some games to make it warm me upD
[17:56] <n0a1ias> ha
[17:56] <smoser> if you're interested in networking, there are loads of things you can do. you could run an VPN on it, play with routing, learn ipv6.
[17:57] <webwurst> n0a1ias: you could setup a webserver yourself as a start http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[17:58] <n0a1ias> i like the idea of vpn, but i use my home network for experimentation.
[17:58] <squidly> and that is just for starters
[17:59] <n0a1ias> well here, lets start at the begining
[17:59] <n0a1ias> what is a server?
[18:00] <webwurst> n0a1ias: pls read the server-guide and ask what you dont' understand ;)
[18:00] <n0a1ias> ok.
[18:00] <mickster04>  n0a1ias again this isn't a kindergarten of servers....
[18:00] <webwurst> n0a1ias: you know wikipedia?
[18:01] <n0a1ias> i know
[18:01] <n0a1ias> yea, i know what a server is, im just putting the deffinition out there so i can find out what i what it to do
[18:02] <shauno> n0a1ias, wrong way around imho.  if you decide it's a hammer now, you're just going to bend a lot of nails
[18:02] <shauno> figure out what you want to do, and then worry about getting the tools to play along
[18:03] <n0a1ias> isnt that what im doing? i think i might go for a shh but im not shure btw
[18:04] <mickster04> n0a1ias: you really don't have any need of a server therefore it is a waste of electricity
[18:04] <webwurst> n0a1ias: yeah, just do it http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[18:04] <mickster04> n0a1ias: you can install normal ubuntu on older hardware too, or look at things like puppy linux
[18:04] <squidly> pick something to learn and learn it
[18:05] <n0a1ias> i know but i want a server, if for no other reason than that im still doing it
[18:06] <n0a1ias> could i have it do multiple things?
[18:06] <mickster04> n0a1ias: if you want to install a frontend onto the server (a gui) you may aswell install ubuntu and install the server type packages oontop of that#
[18:06] <webwurst> n0a1ias: do it! and then ask if it does not work
[18:06] <mickster04> n0a1ias: of course
[18:06] <n0a1ias> ok thanks, im going with shh, and a proxy server
[18:07] <mickster04> n0a1ias: have fun
[18:13] <smoser> hggdh, so, a little test and results here:
[18:13] <smoser> $ du -hs .bzr
[18:13] <smoser> 4.1M    .bzr
[18:13] <smoser> $ ls -lh *.tar.gz
[18:13] <smoser> -rw-r--r-- 1 smoser smoser 420K 2010-08-27 13:12 hardy-server-daily-20100827.tar.gz
[18:13] <smoser> -rw-r--r-- 1 smoser smoser 433K 2010-08-27 13:12 karmic-server-daily-20100826.tar.gz
[18:13] <smoser> -rw-r--r-- 1 smoser smoser 975K 2010-08-27 13:12 lucid-server-daily-20100827.tar.gz
[18:13] <smoser> $ du -hs *2[0-9]
[18:13] <smoser> 3.2M    hardy-server-daily-20100827
[18:13] <smoser> 3.2M    karmic-server-daily-20100826
[18:13] <smoser> 7.4M    lucid-server-daily-20100827
[18:14] <smoser> hte bzr repo is tracking the directories. i just created the tarballs to see what size they would be themselves.
[18:14] <smoser> (ie, if i checked them in).
[18:14] <smoser> so, the checkout is 7.4 + 3.2*2 = 13.8 M.
[18:15] <smoser> the tarballs would be 1.8M
[18:15] <smoser> and the .bzr dir is 4.1M
[18:15] <mickster04> is there a non-caching proxy for ubuntu?
[18:16] <smoser> mickster04, i would guess that you could turn caching off on squid or robably any other proxy.
[18:17] <smoser> hggdh, when i checked those tarballs into a new repo, the .bzr dir was 1.9M.
[18:17] <smoser> so, this is just "initial state", but the .tar.gz checkins do benefit you at least there. maybe later in repo life you'd get better delta storage.
[18:17] <mickster04> smoser: well lasst tim i tried when a user was denied access it still mention cache rather than proxy
[18:18] <smoser> i really odnt have any experience with it, sorry. it just would seem like you could set the cache size to 0 or very low and essentially kill it
[18:19] <mickster04> smoser: yeah thats what i thought. i wonder if theres a way of testing it
[18:19] <tynot> por favor, fresh 10.04.1 server install. setup local ip, sn & dns (off-site). can ping everywhere, but dns not working. couldn't download any packages. help?
[18:20] <smoser> tynot, your /etc/resolv.conf has a dns ?
[18:21] <tynot> on a macbook pro in the same local network. best way to term into it to check?
[18:22] <tynot> smoser, i thought i entered it.
[18:24] <smoser> 'term into it' ? ssh ip.address
[18:24] <mickster04> smoser: does mac have an ssh server?
[18:24] <smoser> my guess is that you put in a bad dns server, or cannot reach the dns server.
[18:24] <smoser> i have no idea. but my guess is yes.
[18:38] <squidly> yes it does
[18:41] <mickster04> squidly: what does?
[18:46] <zul> smoser: there isnt a <name>-initrd-virtual anymore in maverick?
[18:46] <smoser> silly you
[18:46] <smoser> that was gone in lucid
[18:46] <smoser> uec-publish-tarball is what you want to use.
[18:46] <zul> smoser: its in the readme though
[18:47] <smoser> what README ?
[18:47] <smoser> does it not say optional ?
[18:47] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds/annotate/head%3A/README.files ?
[18:47] <zul> ah yes...i didnt read that part
[18:47] <smoser> :)
[18:56] <lifeless> smoser: not sure what you're asking
[18:58] <smoser> well, basically, hggdh is checking into a bzr repo a bunch of .tar.gz files that contain a directory full of logs (text)
[18:58] <smoser> he's doing that in an effort to save disk and bandwidth
[18:59] <smoser> i had hoped/thought that it not actually save .bzr/ space or bandwidth, and thus he could simply check in uncompressed text logs.
[19:00] <smoser> my test shows that bzr does an OK job (gets some compression) but not a great job.  in the initial commit the .bzr directory is smaller by checking in .tar.gz files than by checking in dir/*.txt files.
[19:00] <smoser> before testing it, i was asking you if checking in .tar.gz files was pointless.
[19:00] <smoser> my test did only initial check in, i'm not sure if future commits would see better deltas with text than with tar
[19:00] <smoser> that all make sense ?
[19:01] <lifeless> checking in .tar.gz is pointless
[19:01] <lifeless> it is in fact counterproductive because zlib fucks with the data so that its extremely hard to compress it further
[19:02] <lifeless> bzr and git use the same underlying compressor; we do different things on top, but I'd expect pretty similar results
[19:02] <smoser> bzr did better out of the gate than .git did.
[19:02] <smoser> but git repack came away ahead
[19:03] <smoser> again, this is only after the initial commit.
[19:03] <lifeless> sure
[19:03] <smoser> its not completely counterproductive, as my numbers show above
[19:03] <lifeless> smoser: du -sh .bzr is often an inaccurate count
[19:04] <lifeless> particularly if you're trying to assess bandwidth and space over time
[19:04] <axisys> anyone know the ubuntu channle name for ubuntu virtualization talk ?
[19:04] <smoser> axisys, either here or ubuntu-cloud
[19:04] <lifeless> if you want to measure active storage you need to exclude .bzr/repository/{obsolete-packs,upload}
[19:05] <axisys> smoser: i think it something like #ubuntu-virt.. or something.. i forgot
[19:05] <smoser> axisys<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:05] <axisys> smoser: no wonder :-)
[19:05] <axisys> smoser: thanks
[19:06] <axisys> smoser: i was trying to go to #ubuntu-virt.. should have redirected me to #ubuntu-server .. may be it did and I did not pay attention
[19:07] <smoser> axisys, it did
[19:07] <smoser> you're here :)
[19:07] <axisys> smoser: i usually login to #ubuntu-server by default.. may be that is why i did not notice.. thanks
[19:09] <axisys> i have a laptop with intel core 2 duo 2.4ghz, 8gb ram and 750gb hard drive.. i want to setup my private cloud in here while still have gnome (after all this is my laptop) .. what path is recommended for that ?
[19:09] <axisys> should i install desktop and then use vbox to install ubuntu cloud ?
[19:10] <axisys> or should i do desktop + kvm and do the cloud using kvm ?
[19:10] <axisys> too many choices.. :-)
[19:12] <SpamapS> can we teach uvirtbot things?
[19:12] <SpamapS> !uvirtbot
[19:12] <SpamapS> uvirtbot: can you learn?
[19:12] <SpamapS> uvirtbot: launchpad
[19:12] <Pici> Why? ubottu is here.
[19:12] <SpamapS> Oh I meant ubottu
[19:12] <SpamapS> uvirtbot: sorry
[19:12] <Pici> !usage
[19:13] <SpamapS> should really teach ubottu what happend to ubuntu-virt ;)
[19:16] <axisys> SpamapS: probably a good idea or smoser have to keep posting that mail for all newbies like me :-)
[19:17] <axisys> s/have to/has to/
[19:18] <SpamapS> smoser: ^^
[19:20] <smoser> ?
[19:20] <smoser> i have no idea how to teach that finicky old ubuttu
[19:20] <smoser> ubuttu, read the above and teach yourself.
[19:23]  * SpamapS admits his puny attempt at delegation failed
[19:26] <squidly> what happened to ubuntu-virt?
[19:27] <soren> squidly: The IRC channel?
[19:27] <soren> squidly: It was folded into this one.
[19:39] <squidly> ahh okies
[19:45] <n0a1ias_> so would a samba server be a secure print server?
[19:47] <mdeslaur> http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3900711/The-Top-10-Linux-Server-Distributions.htm
[19:48] <ivoks> mdeslaur: yay!!!
[19:49] <n0a1ias_> so would a samba server be a secure print server?
[19:50] <ivoks> no
[19:50] <ivoks> cups is a secure print server
[19:50] <ivoks> even windows can print on cups shard printers
[19:51] <n0a1ias_> oh, then whats samba?
[19:53] <ivoks> samba is file sharing
[19:53] <ivoks> it can do printer sharing too
[19:53] <n0a1ias_> oh.. thanks
[20:47] <n0a1ias_> whats a good vpn server that i can install on ubuntu normal?
[20:47] <zash> n0a1ias_: openvpn
[20:47] <n0a1ias_> thanks
[20:57] <Fredrick> hey, my other nick is n0a1ias, i had to move to the computer im installing openvpn on
[20:58] <Fredrick> who was the one who suggested that to me?
[21:06] <RoyK> freeflying: zash
[21:07] <RoyK> freeflying: ops - wrong
[21:07] <zash> whowhatnow?!
[21:07]  * zash said "openvpn"
[21:09] <SpamapS> phew.. 12 bugs triaged.. i think thats a new single day record for me
[21:10] <zash> SpamapS: yay, gratz! \o/
[21:17] <n0a1ias> is there an open vnc room?
[21:17] <n0a1ias> cuz im lost?
[21:27] <patdk-wk> yay, loading launchpad, googlemaps rejected me :)
[21:27] <patdk-wk> "The Google Maps API server rejected your request. The "client" parameter specified in the request is invalid."
[21:30] <ScottK> You can turn the map off.
[21:31] <patdk-wk> http://gawker.com/5537406/how-to-sneak-a-dirty-joke-into-the-new-york-times
[21:31] <patdk-wk> scottk, I know
[21:58] <n0a1ias> how do i get my ubuntu to be an anonymous proxy server like freeproxyserver.com?
[22:02] <mickster04> apt-get dist-upgrade will update to a newer version of ubuntu right (think 9.10 to 10.04)
[22:06] <panfist> i was in here asking about umasks for nfs shares, and i guess the general answer is that the system umask applies to local and nfs file systems
[22:06] <panfist> in general, i want an nfs share where all users on my network can collaborate, regardless of group membership
[22:06] <panfist> but, i don't want to change the umask of each system that will compromise a user's own files
[22:06] <panfist> so what's the correct (or a good) practice in ubuntu for creating a shared network space where any users are free to read/write each other's files, just in that one space and not in general?
[22:07] <Nafallo> ivoks_away: happy birthday! :-)
[22:19] <patdk-wk> mickster04, nope, not at all
[22:22] <mickster04> patdk-wk: oh what is then
[22:25] <patdk-wk> do-release-upgrade
[22:47] <binBASH> hi patdk-wk
[22:47] <patdk-wk> hey
[22:54] <n0a1ias> anybody ever use squid-cache?
[22:54] <patdk-wk> sure
[22:54] <n0a1ias> great!
[22:55] <n0a1ias> you cool with pm?
[22:55] <patdk-wk> now that you used your 1 question allocation, move along :)
[22:55] <n0a1ias> that way all the info is in the same place
[22:55] <n0a1ias> hah
[22:55] <n0a1ias> wait really?
[22:56] <n0a1ias> hello?
[22:58]  * patdk-wk doesn't know pm
[22:59] <patdk-wk> power management?
[22:59] <n0a1ias> no, privet message
[22:59] <patdk-wk> those are evil
[22:59] <n0a1ias> oh, ok
[22:59] <n0a1ias> so no.
[22:59] <n0a1ias> anyway
[23:00] <n0a1ias> i just installed squid
[23:00] <n0a1ias> how do i control it?
[23:00] <patdk-wk> depends on your definition of control
[23:01] <patdk-wk> /etc/squid/squid.conf
[23:01] <patdk-wk> the squid cgi?
[23:01] <n0a1ias> yea the cgi
[23:01] <patdk-wk> dunno, I don't use the cgi
[23:01] <n0a1ias> what do you use? cli?
[23:02] <patdk-wk> the config file :)
[23:02] <n0a1ias> it says command not found
[23:03] <n0a1ias> what is squid used for?
[23:04] <n0a1ias> like i know its for taking pages and saveing them to make internet faster, but how does it make you more secure?
[23:04] <patdk-wk> I dunno how it makes you more secure
[23:05] <n0a1ias> oh
[23:05] <patdk-wk> unless you tell it, never to allow anyone to download exe files
[23:05] <patdk-wk> but that isn't much security
[23:05] <n0a1ias> why do you use it?
[23:07] <n0a1ias> why do you use squib?
[23:07] <n0a1ias> and if i download it, then dont configure it, will it do anything at all?
[23:08] <patdk-wk> it will do some, but not much
[23:08] <n0a1ias> hmm
[23:08] <patdk-wk> I use it to cache the crap out of .deb, .iso, all images, and stuff
[23:08] <patdk-wk> gives the work here about a 15% speed boost
[23:08] <n0a1ias> i dont understand
[23:09] <patdk-wk> I don't know why you are bothering with squid
[23:09] <n0a1ias> me either but now i want to know
[23:09] <patdk-wk> cause you can totally screw your internet up with it (atleast websites)
[23:10] <n0a1ias> so when you need a .iso, you use the cached one and its faster then downloading and saving one?
[23:10] <patdk-wk> only if you already downloaded it before
[23:10] <n0a1ias> hmm
[23:11] <n0a1ias> ok well i save all my disks so i guess i wouldnt really use it
[23:11] <n0a1ias> thanks for the help
[23:11] <patdk-wk> now, caching image files helps everyone though
[23:11] <n0a1ias> ??
[23:12] <patdk-wk> all the pictures on websites people browse
[23:12] <patdk-wk> those are reused a crapload
[23:12] <n0a1ias> o those
[23:12] <patdk-wk> but you get into issues there
[23:12] <patdk-wk> can your harddrive seek and load them, faster than you can download them :)
[23:12] <n0a1ias> and does it do that with out being configured?
[23:12] <patdk-wk> it will, but I forget the default times it uses for them
[23:13] <patdk-wk> I have mine set to pretty long
[23:13] <patdk-wk> if I download a picture, it goes int othe cache, and it wont bother to ask if it has changed even, for 12hours
[23:13] <patdk-wk> by default, I think it's 30min or something
[23:13] <patdk-wk> but it still asks if it changed
[23:14] <n0a1ias> oh, ok so i should change that
[23:14] <n0a1ias> but id set it to 6 hours
[23:14] <n0a1ias> so to do that i cd into the config folder?
[23:15] <patdk-wk> na, you edit the config, and restart squid
[23:15] <n0a1ias> wheres the config?
[23:18] <n0a1ias> wheres the config
[23:28] <n0a1ias> this is ubuntu-server?
[23:47] <Hopsa> Hi people! My Ubuntu Lucid is fully updated and dhcpd segfaults. Valgrind sais its due to an "Invalid read of size 4". Is this a known issue or ?
[23:48] <n0a1ias> this is ubuntu-server, you want ubuntu
[23:48] <n0a1ias> try /join #ubuntu
[23:49] <Hopsa> ?
[23:49] <n0a1ias> type this
[23:49] <n0a1ias>  /join #ubuntu
[23:49] <Hopsa> go away please
[23:49] <n0a1ias> only without the space infrint
[23:49] <Hopsa> Have you a fritz :)
[23:50] <ScottK> n0a1ias: Please don't assume people aren't running servers.
[23:50] <ScottK> Hopsa: "Go away please" isn't very nice either.
[23:50] <ScottK> Come on.
[23:51] <Hopsa> See it from my side of the planet ;)
[23:52] <n0a1ias> oh, sorry
[23:52] <n0a1ias> are you?
[23:52] <n0a1ias> didnt mean to sound mean
[23:52] <ScottK> According to previous discussion on #ubuntu-devel, yes.
[23:53] <n0a1ias> once again, sorry
[23:53] <Hopsa> ScottK. Any chance that dhcpd will be updated so it has a chance to function properly on Lucid ?
[23:54] <ScottK> Hopsa: I don't know.  It's not a package I personally pay a lot of attention to.  The advice you've already gotten to file a bug is good advice.
[23:55] <Hopsa> Hmm, id pay attention to any critical package if i where you.
[23:55] <ScottK> Why should I?  It's not critical for me.
[23:58] <Hopsa> Inhabitateem est
[23:58] <Hopsa> Corriculaare
[23:59] <Hopsa> ScottK: Do you know youre in #ubuntu-server and doesnt feel a server segfaulting is bad ?


[10:09] <shadeslayer> is there a way to ask launchpad all the packages a team is the maintainer of?
[10:10] <shadeslayer> alternatively, ask launchpad for all the packages where maintainer = foo
[10:12] <shadeslayer> wgrant: ^^
[10:14] <wgrant> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+maintained-packages
[10:14] <shadeslayer> wgrant: but via the api :p
[10:15] <shadeslayer> nothing jumps out here https://api.launchpad.net/1.0.html#team
[10:15] <wgrant> shadeslayer: I've traditionally used structural subscriptions combined with Person.getBugSubscriberPackages.
[10:15] <wgrant> Since it's rare that the maintainer field is actually what you want in Ubuntu.
[10:16] <shadeslayer> wgrant: well, I wanted our status scripts here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html to figure out the package list automagicall
[10:16] <shadeslayer> *automagically via LP
[10:17] <shadeslayer> instead of having them hardcoded
[10:17] <wgrant> shadeslayer: I'd just use grep-dctrl.
[10:17] <wgrant> Launchpad provides no direct way to query that information.
[10:17] <shadeslayer> hm
[10:21] <shadeslayer> well that's weird
[10:21] <shadeslayer> grep-available -FMaintainer Kubuntu -s Source works fine on trusty but not on utopic
[14:32] <Trevinho> Hi, is it possible to target a bug to a new serie and milestone using the launcpadlib api?
[14:36] <dobey> yes
[14:37] <Trevinho> dobey: oh, nice I was trying to find how, but I've not been able so far
[14:42] <dobey> bug.createTask(target=project_series), then get the bug_task for that and change bug_task.milestone to the milestone you want, iirc
[14:44] <Trevinho> dobey: that's for new bug? As I'd like it to change old bugs
[14:45] <dobey> Trevinho: it's for either.
[14:46] <dobey> well to create a new bug, you'd have to first create a new bug on the project itself, and you could probably just directly create it on the series
[14:50] <dobey> yeah, a new bug would just be bugs.createBug(target=project_series, description="blah blah blah", title="Some bug somewhere") and then get the resulting bug_task and change the milestone on it
[14:53] <Trevinho> dobey: weird, my bug task instances have no addTask/createTask methods
[14:53] <dobey> Trevinho: no, createTask is on the bug, not on the bug_task
[14:54] <dobey> bug and bug_task are different things :)
[14:54] <Trevinho> mh, ouch :P
[14:55] <Trevinho> dobey: ok, thanks
[14:55] <dobey> bug is a collection of bug_tasks, comments, attachments, basically
[14:55] <Trevinho> yeah, i figured it
[14:55] <Trevinho> now
[14:55] <dobey> :)
[16:10] <ddval> testing
[17:16] <ddval> launchpad shows two different names when logged in.  One is the first part of the email address the other my user name it's confusing.  Why does this happen?
[17:20] <dobey> one is the display name (generally should be your name), and the other is your username
[18:36] <sergio-br2> hello
[18:36] <sergio-br2> trying to use sbuild, and i got this error:
[18:36] <sergio-br2> E: 10mount: mount: unknown filesystem type 'overlayfs'
[18:37] <sergio-br2> E: trusty-amd64-5d3109e2-8915-4e2d-befc-8c0dc154f71d: Chroot setup failed: stage=setup-start
[18:37] <sergio-br2> Chroot setup failed
[18:37] <sergio-br2> previously sbuild was working
[18:38] <dobey> sergio-br2: not sure what to tell you, but i don't see how that is related to launchpad. :)
[18:39] <sergio-br2> well, I'm trying to send a package to my PPA, but i want to test in a clean environment here first
[18:39] <sergio-br2> you know a better irc to talk about?
[18:39] <dobey> maybe #ubuntu-packaging or #ubuntu-devel
[18:40] <sergio-br2> ok, thanks
[19:16] <basketball> what does status whishlist mean
[19:17] <basketball> i mean importance
[19:18] <cjohnston> basketball: depends on the project, but in general, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20importances has the meanings
[19:24] <Dudytz> c
[19:24] <Dudytz> hi all ... i can publish my debian packages in launchpad or only ubuntu packages?
[19:36] <dobey> Dudytz: if you're asking about PPAs, i think you can only build for supported ubuntu releases
[19:40] <Dudytz> dobey: is there any "launchpad" like service to host debian personal packages (like PPA)?
[19:41] <dobey> i don't know
[19:49] <Dudytz> dobey: ok, thank you!
[23:28] <LiamW> Hi
[23:29] <LiamW> I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with source recipes
[23:32] <LiamW> Because my PPA isn't building correctly anymore
[23:32] <LiamW> I can still build it locally without a problem
[23:33] <LiamW> It fails with a strange line
[23:33] <LiamW> chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/inkscape_0.48.5+31~ubuntu14.10.1_amd64.deb:
[23:33] <LiamW> dpkg-deb: file `chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/inkscape_0.48.5+31~ubuntu14.10.1_amd64.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz , giving up
[23:35] <LiamW> I'm going to stay connected for a long time
[23:56] <wgrant> LiamW: Which build is that?
[23:57] <LiamW> It's all of them now
[23:57] <LiamW> Let me pull up the recipe
[23:57] <LiamW> https://code.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/+recipe/inkscape-stable
[23:58] <wgrant> LiamW: Those all look successful to me.
[23:58] <LiamW> They lie
[23:58] <LiamW> Look at the size of the generated deb files
[23:58] <LiamW> They don't have any binary data in them


[01:26] <wolfen69> Hey people. Is this channel for help or chat?
[11:15] <s-fox> Hello.
[18:55] <arand> Did inline images in forum posts just disappear suddenly?
[21:23] <AntonWebsters> Hi guys. :)
[22:59] <ealeon> wut up


[00:26] <whileimhere> hi there. What package do I need to install again to get the Network manager to remember my password?
[00:36] <joakim> Hi, I get "XIO:  fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument) on X server" when running glxgears and no 3d games seem to work
[00:37] <joakim> glxgears do show right, but playonlinux says I dont have 3d enabled
[00:38] <joakim> Any Ideas? Direct rendering is :YES so how do I enable 3d?
[00:38] <joakim> xubuntu 8.04 nvidia restricted
[00:47] <joakim> need help with nvidia 3d acceleration in xubuntu
[00:54] <marenostrum> I am a user of Xubuntu and what's more a bug assignee. For the reason to see what's going on about the bugs, I'mtrying to find a way/address to download the latest very very unstable relase(nightly lets say) but from Web via ubuntu  > xubuntu etc. I couldn't do it. I'm devoting my "old" machine to this task. I'll install the nightlies. So, where are they?
[00:59] <marenostrum> Isn't here any Xubuntu developer. Come on, you are about to hire a very devoted tester!
[01:01] <Odd-rationale> marenostrum: cody-somerville just joined right after you... He should be in here somewhere... :)
[01:02] <marenostrum> i am waiting
[01:02] <marenostrum> thanks for voice
[01:03] <Odd-rationale> marenostrum: what you are trying to get the latest 4.6 ?
[01:04] <marenostrum> sorry? what is after 8.04... ibety or something like yhat.
[01:04] <marenostrum> 8.10
[01:04] <marenostrum> nightlies of 8.10
[01:04] <Odd-rationale> 8.10 intrepid ibex
[01:04] <marenostrum> yessssss
[01:05] <cody-somerville> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com
[01:05] <Odd-rationale> oh ok. i thought you meant xfce 4.6
[01:07] <marenostrum> lets check. thanks. but coddy-summerville will be still usefull if she/he is in charge of such things because I'm tired of talking about bugs AFTER the release, I want to be a tester.
[01:07]  * cody-somerville is right here.
[01:07] <marenostrum> hello
[01:08] <cody-somerville> Hello :-]
[01:08] <marenostrum> in short: iwant the nightlies...
[01:08] <marenostrum> i want to install them...
[01:08] <cody-somerville> To download the latest daily cd build, see http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu
[01:08] <marenostrum> and tell you about them.
[01:09] <Odd-rationale> hopefully, xfce 4.6 will be ready for 8.10. I'm glad they timed it nicely.. :D
[01:09] <marenostrum> i am sure talking about xubuntu
[01:10] <marenostrum> Iso....
[01:10] <marenostrum> if i download the nightlies....
[01:10]  * NCommander tackles cody
[01:10] <marenostrum> will the way be to assign a bug?
[01:11] <marenostrum> there are many bugs still not handled.
[01:11] <marenostrum> or is therea more direct way?
[01:11]  * cody-somerville flails.
[01:12] <marenostrum> sorry?
[01:12] <cody-somerville> marenostrum, What you'll want to do is make sure to report them against the correct package
[01:12] <cody-somerville> marenostrum, We generally don't assign a bug to someone unless they specifically are working on a fix
[01:12] <NCommander> cody-somerville, we're all packaged
[01:12] <NCommander> :-)
[01:13] <cody-somerville> marenostrum, If the package doesn't automatically subscribed xubuntu-team, subscribe xubuntu-team manually
[01:13] <cody-somerville> marenostrum, If the bug still doesn't get attention from Xubuntu folks, poke us in #xubuntu-devel or mail the xubuntu-devel mailing list.
[01:14] <marenostrum> i can showyou someproblems which are valid and not corrected for the last 2 or 3 releases. I want to test and let you know for 8.10.... forget about the past.
[01:15]  * cody-somerville nods.
[01:15] <cody-somerville> Splendid.
[01:17] <NCommander> cody-somerville, care to test it as soon as I copy all the binaries
[01:27] <marenostrum> cody-somerville, I am trying to think on your replies for about 10-15 minutes. Although tey ate not new ways, Ok, I'll do so. Thanks for your kind replies.
[01:27] <Odd-rationale> hey, thunar can restore from trash and nautilus can't?!
[01:29] <cody-somerville> Correct
[01:30] <marenostrum> good night
[05:10] <dpick> does anyone know a good cli instant messaging program?
[05:15] <Helloworld22> Which MD5 hashes can I trust? I found 2 different hashes on two different mirrors for the same file. When I downloaded the same file (8.4 x86 install cd) from two different mirrors, each file had a different hash
[05:16] <Helloworld22> Maybe just a download error
[05:16]  * Helloworld22 searches for gpg keys
[05:23] <itachi> are u the guys that hack with ubuntu?
[10:17] <nikolam> hi I am using xubuntu with tightvnc server over ssh connection
[10:17] <nikolam> whenever i try to start xfce panel, server crashes
[10:18] <nikolam> I managed to start xfdesktop and termilan and xfwm4
[10:18] <nikolam> terminal
[10:20] <Ben_Cs> hello
[10:22] <nikolam> hi
[10:28] <Ben_Cs> do you know how to set window border like in: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=80431&forumpage=1
[10:28] <Ben_Cs> ?
[12:27] <PsynoKhi0> heya, is there a comprehensive list of changes between gutsy and hardy for xubuntu? more specifically package versions
[12:37] <Myrtti> I don't like this new task list
[12:37] <Myrtti> well, "new"
[12:37] <Myrtti> no matter how tall the panel it is in is, the icons stay the same size
[12:49] <squirrelpimp> i reinstalled 8.04.01 on my notebook and now i get the nm-applet twice in the tray whenever i login. I tried deleting .cache/* without luck
[12:49] <squirrelpimp> where else could it get started?
[12:50] <squirrelpimp> so i can disable one copy of it
[12:50] <squirrelpimp> or could be started twice for me having the wired and the wireless card?
[12:52] <PsynoKhi0> do you have different output if you right click on the icons and check Information?
[12:52] <PsynoKhi0> outputs*
[12:54] <squirrelpimp> i found it
[12:54] <squirrelpimp> it happend to sneak into autostarted apps twice... which were configured from the gui
[12:54] <PsynoKhi0> :)
[12:54] <squirrelpimp> i suck at gui-operations
[12:54] <squirrelpimp> :)
[12:54] <squirrelpimp> except browsing
[16:38] <nubuntu> i just downloaded LAMPserver, and now trying to download magentocommerce from page http://www.magentocommerce.com/download/noregister , could someone help me thru this?
[16:39] <ThinkMinus> Hello everyone
[16:41] <ThinkMinus> I am going to start installing Xubuntu in 1 hour and I expect to run internet on it.......and i know that it will need a lot of tweaking..........
[16:41] <ThinkMinus> any help here?'
[16:44] <nubuntu> ThinkMinus: i haven't had a lot of problems with internet on x, what probs do you anticipate?
[16:46] <ThinkMinus> I ran xubuntu live cd and tried running internet.....but ended with failure
[16:46] <nubuntu> i just downloaded LAMPserver, and now trying to download magentocommerce from page http://www.magentocommerce.com/download/noregister , could someone help me thru this?
[16:46] <ThinkMinus> also I'm a newbie to linux
[16:48] <nubuntu> i've installed on a fair amount of boxes and usually no prob with internet configs
[16:48] <nubuntu> at any rate, theres always ppl here to help
[16:48] <nubuntu> just like the government
[16:49] <nubuntu> i'm with the government, and i'm here to help ... kind of thing :)
[16:50] <ThinkMinus> I will try dual booting X wid windows xp just to connect to internet else I will format xp partition:)
[16:51] <ThinkMinus> OK....i am now going to install X and see if everything goes fine
[16:51] <ThinkMinus> Thanks nubuntu........
[16:51] <ThinkMinus> and goodbye
[16:58] <nubuntu> k, you don't have another machine to stay connected during the install?
[16:58] <nubuntu> gotta go, brb
[17:08] <nubuntu> i just downloaded LAMPserver, and now trying to download magentocommerce from page http://www.magentocommerce.com/download/noregister , could someone help me thru this?
[17:09] <nubuntu> need help to know which format to download and then install
[17:17] <nubuntu> three formats available: zip, tar.gz, and tar.bz2
[17:17] <Grrai> I run xubuntu gutsy, have all repos enabled but can't find package module-assistant. any suggestions?
[17:18] <vinnl> nubuntu, it shouldn't matter I suppose
[17:18] <vinnl> nubuntu, they are just different formats for collections of files and Xubuntu can open them all
[17:18] <vinnl> (I haven't worked with Magentocommerce though)
[17:19] <vinnl> Grrai, you can download the package from http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/module-assistant
[17:19] <Grrai> vinnl: thanksalot
[17:20] <nubuntu> vinnl, so ones not easier than another?
[17:20] <vinnl> nubuntu, the tar.bz2 is the smallest and thus quickest to download ;-)
[17:21] <vinnl> nubuntu, wait, I'll check out the page
[17:21] <nubuntu> ya, i'm more worried about how to extract it after the download
[17:21] <vinnl> nubuntu, ah, no, it doesn't matter indeed
[17:21] <vinnl> nubuntu, just double-click, or right-click and select "Extract to"
[17:22] <nubuntu> vinnl, so for purposes of extracting/executing?
[17:22] <nubuntu> vinnl, where will i extract to?
[17:22] <nubuntu> desktop?
[17:23] <vinnl> nubuntu, yeah, I don't know how long you'll need those files, if you just need them temporarily you can also download them to /tmp
[17:24] <nubuntu> vinnl, well i want to have it installed on the machine, do i just delete them after the extraction, or do they need to stay on the desktop?
[17:24] <vinnl> Let me see...
[17:25] <vinnl> nubuntu, you want to install it on your local machine?
[17:26] <nubuntu> yes, want to play around with it before i go to hosting
[17:26] <vinnl> nubuntu, then you'll want to extract it to /var/www
[17:26] <nubuntu> ok, lemme try
[17:27] <vinnl> That's probably not going to work right away
[17:27] <vinnl> nubuntu, can you open a terminal window?
[17:28] <nubuntu> vinnl, ya i can, should i do that before i extract to /var/www?  was just about to press the red button
[17:28] <vinnl> nubuntu, no, you just need to create a folder there and make sure you can extract the files there :)
[17:29] <nubuntu> uhhhh, ok ... how do i create the folder :)  ?
[17:29] <vinnl> nubuntu, have you opened a terminal?
[17:31] <nubuntu> on the extract box it has boxes checked that say 're-create folders' and another says 'overwrite existing files'
[17:31] <nubuntu> ya, i have terminal open also
[17:32] <vinnl> OK, type "sudo mkdir /var/www/magento"
[17:33] <nubuntu> k, should i close the 'extract' box?
[17:33] <vinnl> Then type "sudo chmod -R 777 /var/www/magento"
[17:33] <vinnl> No
[17:34] <nubuntu> k, hold on
[17:34] <vinnl> After you've entered those commands (which create the directory /var/www/magento and sets write permissions for everybody) you can extract the archive to /tmp, make sure re-create folders is checked
[17:36] <nubuntu> hmmmm ....ok, so i'm no longer extracting to /var/www ?
[17:36] <vinnl> No :)
[17:37] <vinnl> Well, in a minute, sort of :P
[17:37] <nubuntu> so, i should close the extract box, and reopen it and extract to /tmp ?
[17:38] <vinnl> Yep, that'll do :)
[17:39]  * nubuntu confused
[17:39] <vinnl> ?
[17:39] <nubuntu> ok, lemme try
[17:40] <nubuntu> k, i guess it is extracting to tmp ... i hope so
[17:40] <vinnl> Is there a dialog box with a throbber?
[17:41] <nubuntu> uhhhh, what's a throbber?  is that appropriate language for the room :)
[17:41] <vinnl> :P
[17:41] <vinnl> A progress bar
[17:41] <nubuntu> sry.   couldn't resist
[17:41] <vinnl> Hehe
[17:42] <nubuntu> ya, there was a progress bar, but i think its done and gone...
[17:42] <nubuntu> ya, its gone
[17:42] <vinnl> OK, then if you look at /tmp, there should be a magento folder, right?
[17:43] <nubuntu> is terminal sposed to be open still?
[17:43] <nubuntu> lemme go look in filesys
[17:43] <vinnl> Yeah, I forgot something just now so keep it open a bit
[17:44] <nubuntu> yes, there is a magento in /tmp
[17:44] <vinnl> Great, copy the contents of that directory to /var/www/magento
[17:44] <nubuntu> uhhhhh, ok .... how :P ?
[17:45] <vinnl> Press Ctrl+A to select all, then Ctrl+C to copy, then move to /var/www/magento and press Ctrl+V to paste
[17:45] <nubuntu> k, so first i click on the magento file ?
[17:46] <vinnl> Oh sorry, you first move to /tmp/magento
[17:46] <vinnl> Then do the above
[17:47] <nubuntu> omg, lemme see if i can
[17:48] <vinnl> I believe in you ;-)
[17:48] <vinnl> (We have to hurry though, dinner's ready)
[17:49] <nubuntu> ok, its copying to var www mag
[17:49] <nubuntu> k,
[17:49] <vinnl> Done?
[17:49] <nubuntu> ya, seems to be
[17:50] <vinnl> Cool, then you run "sudo chmod -R 777 /var/www/magento" in the terminal window again
[17:51] <vinnl> After that you should be able to visit localhost/magento in a browser and start the installation
[17:51] <nubuntu> k, done
[17:51] <vinnl> I really gotta go now, though
[17:51] <vinnl> Good luck :)
[17:51] <nubuntu> k, thx
[17:51] <nubuntu> :)
[17:52] <vinnl> Bye :)
[17:53] <nubuntu> k, bye
[17:53] <nubuntu> i report later
[18:00] <nubuntu> uhhh, vinnl just helped me download magento, and we placed it into var www magento, but when i point my browser to localhost/magento , i get a box axing me to to  'open with' (browse), or 'save file', but the file is already saved isn't it???
[18:01] <nubuntu> do i have to spell out more than localhost/magento ???
[18:10] <nubuntu> i had someone in xubuntu room help me load magento into a file called var/www/magento , but he/she had to go to dinner on way out said i had to put 'localhost/magento' into a browser to start install process, but when i put that in i get a box with choice to 'open with' or save ... can anyone help me?
[18:34] <vinnl> nubuntu, and? Did it work? :)
[18:37] <nubuntu> hi vinn1, having trouble
[18:37] <nubuntu> nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ ls index.html  magento nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ sudo chmod 777 -R /magento chmod: cannot access `/magento': No such file or directory nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$
[18:38] <vinnl> nubuntu, try "sudo chmod 777 -R ./magento" :)
[18:38] <japherwocky> what do I use to check balance settings for my audio?
[18:39] <nubuntu> when i entered 'localhost/magento' got a box to 'open with' or save
[18:39] <vinnl> japherwocky, I know nothing about audio, but do you mean xfce4-mixer?
[18:39] <vinnl> nubuntu, and what do you get if you do ls in /var/www/magento?
[18:40] <japherwocky> the xfce4-mixer doesn't seem to have a left/right balance adjuster
[18:40] <steven_> hello
[18:41] <nubuntu> don't know here is what the term looks like right now: nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ ls index.html  magento nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ sudo chmod 777 -R /magento chmod: cannot access `/magento': No such file or directory nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ sudo chmod 777 -R ./magento nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$
[18:41] <vinnl> Hey steven_
[18:41] <steven_> hye
[18:41] <s_Even> how are you vinnl
[18:42] <nubuntu> vinn1, that last time it din't say no such file
[18:43] <s_Even> hello vidd
[18:43] <nubuntu> vinnl: could it be that 'extra'  dot . in there?
[18:43] <vidd> hell s_Even
[18:43] <vinnl> I'm fine s_Even  :)
[18:43] <vinnl> nubuntu, yeah
[18:43] <vidd> *hello
[18:44] <vinnl> That dot says "look in the current folder"
[18:44] <nubuntu> vinn1, still can't get anything in the browser
[18:45] <vidd> my issue is that the live cd of 8.04.1 is locking up at "detecting file systems"
[18:46] <vidd> 4.9GB hd, 256MB ram
[18:46] <s_Even> hmm....
[18:46] <s_Even> did you try a 2nd time?
[18:46] <s_Even> sometimes live-CD really s*cks
[18:46] <vidd> im in the middle of my 6th time
[18:46] <vinnl> nubuntu, that sounds like a Magento issue, I'd recommend you to look at their support
[18:46] <vidd> im doing maunual disk partition now
[18:47] <nubuntu> k, thx
[18:47] <s_Even> hmm...
[18:47] <s_Even> are you making a dual boot?
[18:47] <vidd> wasnt the intention
[18:47] <s_Even> and now windows 's on it?
[18:48] <vidd> nothing loads anymore
[18:48] <vidd> the strange thing is, when i just went into the manual,
[18:49] <vidd> partition, it said the bulk of the drive wqs ntfs...not ext3
[18:49] <s_Even> i'm sorry, but i really don't know how to help you
[18:49] <vidd> i just set it to ext3....see what happens
[18:50] <vidd> well....i am dl'ing the alt cd
[18:50] <vidd> heh....i should have done that 3 hours ago!
[18:50] <s_Even> :p
[18:50] <s_Even> true
[18:51] <s_Even> you can also order an official disk
[18:51] <s_Even> those also work correctly
[18:51] <vidd> changing the file system to ext3 instad of leaving it ntfs solved it
[18:51] <vidd> there is no "official" disk for xubuntu to order
[18:52] <vidd> only ubuntu and kubuntu, and edubuntu
[18:53] <s_Even> damned, true
[18:53] <s_Even> forgotten :$
[18:53] <vidd> we're to "new age" for them =]
[18:53] <s_Even> :p
[18:53] <s_Even> but i should go, i'm sorry
[19:08] <vidd> nubuntu, still having your issue?
[19:09] <nubuntu> yes, yes,vidd
[19:09] <nubuntu> cannot get app running
[19:09] <vidd> i came in the room late...can you restate the issue for me?
[19:10] <nubuntu> i had someone in xubuntu room help me load magento into a file called var/www/magento , but he/she had to go to dinner on way out said i had to put 'localhost/magento' into a browser to start install process, but when i put that in i get a box with choice to 'open with' or save ... can anyone help me?
[19:10] <nubuntu> vidd, so really haven't progressed from here
[19:10] <vidd> nubuntu, do you have a web server installed? like apache2?
[19:11] <vinnl> vidd, yes
[19:11] <vinnl> vidd, otherwise he'd get a directory listing
[19:11] <vinnl> (Right?)
[19:11] <nubuntu> i am also plugged into the magento room, but nobody there really able to help me either ... yes, well, i think i do, i followed install in community docs for lamp server
[19:11] <vinnl> Yep
[19:12] <vinnl> nubuntu, what do you get if you visit just "localhost"?
[19:12] <vidd> just for S&G...run sudo apt-get apache2
[19:12] <zoredache> does magento need php or something?
[19:13] <nubuntu> vinn1, din't try that, lemme go see
[19:14] <vidd> nubuntu, what FILE is it asking you to download?
[19:14] <vinnl> You should get "It works!"
[19:14] <Prikolchik> hi everyone! Could someone please help me configure Atheros AR5700EG wireless card?
[19:14] <nubuntu> get a page that says: IT Works!  what's that mean?
[19:14] <vidd> nubuntu, that means your apache is configured correctly
[19:14] <vinnl> nubuntu, that your webserver works properly :)
[19:15] <vidd> try this nubuntu
[19:15] <nubuntu> zoredache, i think it does need php, but isn't that part of the server?
[19:15] <zoredache> no... you need to install it
[19:15] <vidd> sudo chown 33:33 -Rf /var/www/magento
[19:15] <nubuntu> vidd, i is all ears
[19:16] <zoredache> well you may need to install it... it kinda depends on what you have done so far... anyway try 'sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5'
[19:16] <zoredache> you'll probably need to restart apache after php is installed
[19:16] <vidd> then follow it up with sudo chmod -Rf 777 /var/www/magento
 i just downloaded LAMPserver, and now trying to download magentocommerce from page http://www.magentocommerce.com/download/noregister , could someone help me thru this?
[19:17] <vinnl> So PHP is supposed to be installed
[19:19] <nubuntu> nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ sudo chown 33:33 -Rf /var/www/magento nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$
[19:19] <vidd> nubuntu, now sudo chmod -Rf 777 /var/www/magento
[19:19] <Prikolchik> hi everyone! Could someone please help me configure Atheros AR5700EG wireless card?
[19:19] <nubuntu> so doesn't that mean that php was already in?
[19:20] <vidd> nubuntu, yes
[19:20] <vidd> Prikolchik, what does lspci tell you the chipset for thast card is?
[19:20] <nubuntu> k, i did   sudo chmod -Rf 777 /var/www/magento   just comes back to command prompt
[19:21] <Prikolchik> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[19:21] <vidd> nubuntu, now go to the page http://localhost/magento
[19:21] <nubuntu> k, lemme try
[19:22] <vidd> Prikolchik, you have mad wifi installed?
[19:23] <nubuntu> anybody remember the imagebin address offhand?  to show you screenshot
[19:24] <vidd> Prikolchik, you have mad wifi installed?
[19:24] <vinnl> nubuntu, imageshack.us?
[19:27] <Prikolchik1> vidd, srry i got disconnected. did u say anything?
[19:27] <vidd> nubuntu, your magento working?
[19:27] <vidd> Prikolchik, you have mad wifi installed?
[19:27] <Prikolchik1> i have tried that but it seems to be using ath5k_pci instead of ath_pci (madwifi) driver
[19:28] <Prikolchik1> if i install madwifi i get same result as i have now
[19:28] <vidd> and that is?
[19:28] <Prikolchik1> doesnt see any networks
[19:28] <nubuntu> vidd, no .... http://imagebin.org/24866
[19:29] <Prikolchik1> vidd, when asked to can for networks it doesnt find any
[19:29] <Prikolchik1> vidd, even if i configure manual connect it fails to connect
[19:29] <vidd> is there a stupid power button for your wifi card?
[19:30] <Prikolchik1> there is. but it seems me be on by default (it is software controlled, im on Aspire One)
[19:30] <vidd> Prikolchik1, push the power button
[19:30] <vidd> do you connect now?
[19:30] <Prikolchik1> 1 sec
[19:31] <vinnl> nubuntu, what if you go to localhost/magento/index.php?
[19:31] <nubuntu> lemme try
[19:31] <vidd> nubuntu, please pastebin ls -al for the directory /var/www/magento
[19:31] <Prikolchik1> vidd, still same. No scan results. Doesnt see any networks
[19:32] <nubuntu> vidd, what is complete command?
[19:32] <Prikolchik1> also lshw says:
[19:32] <Prikolchik1>   *-network
[19:32] <Prikolchik1>        description: Wireless interface
[19:32] <Prikolchik1>        product: AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[19:32] <Prikolchik1> so it mustbe on
[19:32] <vidd> what does /etc/network/interfaces list it as? (or pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[19:33] <vidd> nubuntu, cd /var/www/magento
[19:33] <vidd> then ls -al
[19:33] <nubuntu> k, lemme try ... vinn1, no that index.php din't work either
[19:34] <vinnl> OK, too bad
[19:34] <Prikolchik1> vidd, that is what that file says: auto lo [[new line here]] iface lo inet loopback
[19:35] <nubuntu> shoot, whats the dang pastebin address agin?
[19:35] <vidd> so network interfaces does not show your eth0 or your wifi card
[19:35] <vidd> !pastebin
[19:37] <vidd> do you have an icon for "manual network configuation"?
[19:37] <Prikolchik1> vidd, http://paste.ubuntu.com/40226/
[19:38] <Prikolchik1> vidd, i have network manager? is that what u ask?
[19:38] <vidd> yes
[19:39] <Prikolchik1> well, if i enter a network SSID "Dlink1" that i know is broadcasting and it has no encryption, it fails to connect
[19:39] <vidd> set a static IP
[19:39] <nubuntu> http://imagebin.org/24867
[19:40] <vidd> preferably outside the DHCP range of the network you are connecting to
[19:40] <nubuntu> vidd, and vinn1, http://imagebin.org/24867
[19:41] <vinnl> nubuntu, ah
[19:41] <vinnl> nubuntu, try visiting localhost/magento/install.php
[19:41] <vidd> vinnl, you type too fast =]
[19:41] <nubuntu> k, lemme try
[19:41] <vinnl> vidd, ^.^
[19:41] <Prikolchik1> vidd, same result. dosnt connect
[19:41] <nubuntu> ??? :P
[19:42] <vinnl> nubuntu, try visiting that in your browser
[19:42] <vidd> Prikolchik1, do you have physical access to this router your trying to access?
[19:42] <Prikolchik1> like <IP_ADDRESS>?
[19:43] <vidd> can you lay hands on the device you are attempting to access?
[19:44] <Prikolchik1> vidd, what do u mean by that?
[19:44] <vidd> ????
[19:44] <vidd> can you TOUCH it
[19:44] <Prikolchik1> vidd, yup
[19:44] <vidd> can you pick it up and move it across the room?
[19:44] <nubuntu> i din't know this was a religious channel .. isn't laying hands a little desperate??? :)
[19:44] <vidd> that is physical access
[19:44] <nubuntu> http://imagebin.org/24869
[19:44] <vidd> nubuntu, lol
[19:45] <vidd> Prikolchik1, can you
[19:45] <Prikolchik1> vidd, ok =P. yes i have physical access. And i've also added the MAC address to the whitelist\
[19:45] <Prikolchik1> i can connect to router with windows no problem (im dual boot) but fail to in Xubuntu
[19:45] <vinnl> OK now that's just annoying
[19:46] <nubuntu> tell me about it
[19:46] <vidd> nubuntu, ive had this issue......
[19:46] <vidd> restart apache
[19:47] <vinnl> Hmm, nubuntu, I'm not sure how outdated this is but some of the things listed at http://www.magentocommerce.com/wiki/general/installing-magento-on-slicehost-with-ubuntu might help if vidd runs out of useful advice ;-)
[19:47] <vidd> sudo /etc/ini.d/apache2 restart
[19:47] <vinnl> *init.d
[19:47] <nubuntu> uhhhhh, ok .....u type too fast
[19:47] <vinnl> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[19:48]  * vidd needs a new keyboard
[19:48] <vidd> Prikolchik1, im drawing a blank now....
[19:48] <nubuntu> restarting webserver apache2
[19:48] <nubuntu> command prompt
[19:49] <vidd> try access again
[19:49] <vidd> Prikolchik1, ive never had that card myself
[19:49]  * nubuntu has a garage full of keyboards; wonders where vidd be
[19:50] <vidd> its eather that or i need to put my fingers on a diet!
[19:50] <Prikolchik1> vidd, well, i've had my friend's same laptop with this card and i somehow made the wireless work for him. But i failed to recreate thesuccess on my laptop
[19:50]  * nubuntu needs a new piano
[19:52] <Prikolchik1> vidd, i tried ndiswrapper and windows drivers, but it just crashes Network Manager and doesnt help... also I've read somewhere that ath5k_pci (that is the driver that is currently active for wireless) automatically disables ath_pci (madwifi) if it is installed
[19:52] <Prikolchik1> vidd, so to get madwifi to work it seems like i need to remove ath5k driver... and how do i do this?
[19:52] <Prikolchik1> vidd, it comes in some sort of a package, i believe
[19:53] <vidd> add it to your blacklist
[19:53] <hajhouse> i would like to use dnsmasq to cache dns requests on my notebook, which moves around to different networks and so uses different automatically configured dns servers at different times (/etc/resolv.conf is updated by dhclient i would assume). i think the logical way to do this is to configure dhclient to write the configured dns server addresses to some other file than /etc/resolv.conf, then set /etc/resolv.conf to localhost, and co
[19:53] <nubuntu> so after apache restart, ive tried in the browser 'localhost', and localhost/magento ... nothin doin
[19:53] <Prikolchik1> i've tried that before with no luck
[19:54] <vidd> have you REMOVED it from the blacklist?
[19:54] <nubuntu> gotta run out 4 mins ... brb
[19:55] <Prikolchik1> i have installed madwifi, didnt work. Added ath5k to blacklist, desnt work, then i removed it from blacklist.
[19:55] <vidd> Prikolchik1, i need to go smoke now...bb in a bit
[19:55] <Prikolchik1> ok
[19:55] <Prikolchik1> i'll try again for now
[19:55] <Prikolchik1> brb in 5mins
[20:00] <Prikolchik> does anybody know if there is any way i can reset the configuration of the wireless card?
[20:00] <Prikolchik> even if i add drivers to the blacklist it still recognizes it at AR270x, whereas it is AR5007EG
[20:04] <nubuntu> vidd, and vinn1, i is baaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaccccccccccccck
[20:04] <vinnl> wb :)
[20:06] <nubuntu> any suggestions?
[20:07] <vinnl> nothin doin, does that mean that it's still trying to download the file?
[20:07] <nubuntu> well, the file is already downloaded right?
[20:08] <nubuntu> i get the box offering to open with or save file, but the file is aready saved
[20:08] <vidd> yes...but its asking ya to download it
[20:08] <vidd> im thinking its an apache config issue'
[20:08] <nubuntu> so am i sposed to 'save file' again??
[20:09] <nubuntu> god, i am going crosseyed
[20:09] <vinnl> nubuntu, no
[20:10] <nubuntu> over the last year i have convinced many friends to switch to linux.  some of them still speak to me.
[20:10] <vinnl> nubuntu, the file you have locally is "on the webserver", when you visit a webbrowser you're asked to download it to the visiting client, which in this case (since you're using localhost) happens to be the same as the webserver
[20:10] <vidd> nubuntu, it is not a linux issue...it is an apache issue
[20:10] <vinnl> vidd, or a Magento issue I suppose
[20:11] <vidd> no....apache does not know how to properly serve that php file
[20:11] <nubuntu> vinn1, wait a minute; so you mean i AM sposed to 'download' it?
[20:11] <vidd> nubuntu, no
[20:11] <vinnl> nubuntu, no
[20:11]  * nubuntu is confused
[20:11] <vinnl> nubuntu, what you're seeing is what a visitor of your website would see
[20:12] <vinnl> If it were on a public server
[20:12] <nubuntu> over the last year i have convinced many friends to switch to linux. some of them still speak to me.  <---- was just a joke
[20:13] <vinnl> ^.^
[20:13] <nubuntu> ahhhhh, in other words, they would prolly not hang around long ...
[20:13] <nubuntu> :(
[20:13] <vinnl> "Linux" is a broad term ;-)
[20:14] <nubuntu> yup
[20:16] <vidd> nubuntu, basically, you need to get your web server to properly display php
[20:16] <nubuntu> apparently, from what i am reading, i still havent really 'installed' magento; just downloaded it to a homefile huh...
[20:16] <vidd> that is correct
[20:17] <nubuntu> aaaaarrrrrrrrgggggghhhhh
[20:17] <nubuntu> you guys have been so patient, i appreciate it, sorry to be such the pain
[20:17] <vinnl> nubuntu, can you execute the following command in a terminal:
[20:17] <vinnl> echo "<?php echo \"Yay\";" > /var/www/magento/t.php
[20:17] <vidd> id be interested in seeing your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file
[20:18] <vinnl> nubuntu, and then visit localhost/magento/t.php
[20:19] <nubuntu> no output from:  echo "<?php echo \"Yay\";" > /var/www/magento/t.php
[20:19] <vinnl> nubuntu, that's correct
[20:19] <vinnl> nubuntu, but if you visit localhost/magento/t.php?
[20:19] <vinnl> (In your browser)
[20:20] <nubuntu> get 'Yay' on blank page
[20:20] <vinnl> OK, so PHP is working correctly and can be served
[20:20] <vinnl> (You can delete /var/www/magento/t.php now)
[20:21] <nubuntu> ??? what u mean, delete???
[20:21] <vidd> vinnl, nice work.....(let me write that trick down....)
[20:21] <vinnl> nubuntu, that command before created the file /var/www/magento/t.php to test
[20:21] <vidd> nubuntu, he had you create a file named t.php
[20:22] <vinnl> vidd, hehe, first time ever I used that ;-)
[20:22] <nubuntu> ummmm, ok ... so i go to /var/www/ .... and just delete?
[20:22] <vidd> this tested that your web server DOES know how to properly display
[20:23] <vinnl> nubuntu, you have to go to /var/www/magento and delete the file t.php
[20:23] <vinnl> (Check the contents of that file if you like)
[20:23] <vidd> sudo rm /var/www/magento/t.php
[20:23] <vinnl> (And then read the command above)
[20:23] <Prikolchik> oes anybody know if there is any way i can reset the configuration of the wireless card? so it uses the new drivers and recognizes it as right type or something?
[20:23] <vinnl> That'll do too :)
[20:23] <vinnl> Prikolchik, how have you configured it?
[20:24] <nubuntu> k, so : >	sudo rm /var/www/magento/t.php  will do the trick then?
[20:24] <vinnl> nubuntu, sudo isn't needed, but yes :)
[20:25] <Prikolchik> vinnl, by configuration i mean that xubuntu recognizes it as the wrong card. it says it is AR242x, but it is AR5700EG
[20:25] <vinnl> Prikolchik, oh, sorry, wouldn't know then :(
[20:25] <nubuntu> k, done
[20:25] <vinnl> Prikolchik, though it sounds like something people in #ubuntu will know
[20:25] <Prikolchik> vinnl, im there too atm, and they dont
[20:26] <vinnl> OK, now we just wait for vidd to think of a clever solution because I'm out of options nubuntu :(
[20:26] <vinnl> Prikolchik, :(
[20:26] <nubuntu> k, i was out long time now
[20:26]  * vidd is on the phone with a customer
[20:26] <vinnl> Say hi to him :P
[20:27] <nubuntu> that reminds me, i gotta get an email off to a client.  later.
[20:29] <nubuntu> i mean that i'll email him later.  always have to make sure you speak precisely on these channels, huh
[20:30] <nubuntu> gonna run throw some frozen drumsticks in a pot to sweat a while
[20:44] <vidd> ok....im back
[20:44] <vidd> nubuntu, you back?
[20:45] <nubuntu> yup.
[20:45] <vidd> try this :
[20:46] <nubuntu> did you have an epiphany?  whats an epiphany?  is it cathartic?
[20:46] <vidd> sudo chmod -Rf 755 /var/www/magento
[20:46] <vidd> cross your fingers, pray....=]
[20:47] <vidd> epiphany is a web browser i think
[20:47] <nubuntu> i will do anything to get obama elected
[20:48] <vinnl> That's #xubuntu-offtopic talk :)
[20:48] <nubuntu>   including sudo chmod -Rf 755 /var/www/magento   if i have to ... now what
[20:48] <vidd> saying things like that to die-hard-republicans trying to help you ia a BAD thing!
[20:48] <vinnl> xD
[20:48] <nubuntu> omg.
[20:48] <nubuntu> i sorry :)
[20:49] <vidd> now that you changed permissions, try to run the install.php file again
[20:50] <nubuntu> ummmm, ... ok. lemme try (and find it)
[20:50] <vidd> nubuntu, dont worry...im not going to walk you thru formating your hard drive =]
[20:51] <vinnl> xD
[20:51] <nubuntu> when you say 'run' the install.php , do you mean goto browser localhost/magento/install.php ?
[20:52] <vinnl> Yep
[20:52] <vidd> yes
[20:52] <vidd> survey says?
[20:53] <Flannel> don't chmod 755.... chmod +rX
[20:54] <vidd> Flannel, we are working on things that are already 777
[20:54] <nubuntu> no dice.
[20:54] <Flannel> vidd: They shouldn't be 777 to begin wih, but alright.  I agree that 755 is better than 777.
[20:54] <vinnl> Flannel, that's what the Magento documentation said
[20:55] <vidd> Flannel, any input on how to make this guy's apache properly display php pages?
[20:55] <nubuntu> i'm sure its WAY over my head
[20:55] <vinnl> Specifically Magento
[20:55] <Flannel> vidd: That documentation is horrible then.
[20:55] <Flannel> vinnl: Do you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed?
[20:55] <vinnl> Flannel, I do, but it's nubuntu's problem ;-)
[20:55] <vidd> Flannel, nubuntu is the one in need
[20:55] <vinnl> And he has, I believe
[20:56] <vidd> hehe
[20:56] <nubuntu> i believe that's the one that installed ...
 nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ sudo chown 33:33 -Rf /var/www/magento nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$ sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www$
[20:56] <vinnl> So yes
[20:56] <vidd> so....
[20:56] <nubuntu> how do i verify ... nvr mind ... u type too fast
[20:58] <Flannel> nubuntu: Alright, and `ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | grep php` returns two files, right?
[21:01] <nubuntu> sry, mom called. i don't unnrstand the question ...
[21:01] <vidd> type ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | grep php
[21:02] <vidd> it should return 2 files....yes or no?
[21:02] <nubuntu> do you mean for me to :   ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | grep php   into the term?
[21:02] <vinnl> Yep
[21:02] <vinnl> Should look like this:
[21:02] <vinnl> $ ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | grep php
[21:02] <vinnl> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2008-06-19 12:45 php5.conf -> ../mods-available/php5.conf
[21:02] <vinnl> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2008-06-19 12:45 php5.load -> ../mods-available/php5.load
[21:03] <nubuntu> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2008-08-24 11:27 php5.conf -> ../mods-available/php5.conf
[21:03] <nubuntu> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2008-08-24 11:27 php5.load -> ../mods-available/php5.load
[21:03] <nubuntu> nubuntu@ubuntu:/var/www/magento$
[21:04] <nubuntu> ok, so yes, two files
[21:04] <vidd> nubuntu, is this box your working on world facing?
[21:05] <nubuntu> you mean live?? no.
[21:05] <vidd> no...not live...world facuing
[21:05] <vidd> can you access it from outside your network?
[21:05] <nubuntu> hmmmm ...not that i know of, do you want to access it?
[21:06] <nubuntu> i have no prob with that.
[21:06] <vidd> no...i wasnt YOU to access it
[21:06] <vidd> the issue may be that you are too close to the app
[21:06] <nubuntu> ??? i don't unnrstand ???
[21:07] <vidd> you have another machine on your network?
[21:07] <nubuntu> theres another computer in the room, if thats what you mean?
[21:08] <nubuntu> but they're not really 'networkd', just on the same router
[21:10] <nubuntu> i'm guessing that's *not* what u meant
[21:11] <vidd> on that other machine ... go to [server ip address]/magento/install.php
[21:11] <vidd> nubuntu, actually, that was EXACTLY what i meant
[21:12] <nubuntu> wait, so i need to determine my server ip?
[21:12] <nubuntu> like, numerically?
[21:12] <vidd> yes
[21:12] <vidd> usually something like <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:13] <vidd> in a terminal type ifconfig
[21:13] <vidd> it would be the inet address
[21:14] <nubuntu> some website just told me its <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:14] <Ben_Cs> good evening
[21:14] <nubuntu> does that sound right
[21:14] <vidd> nubuntu, that is your world-facing ip address
[21:15] <nubuntu> so that's the one?
[21:15] <vidd> no...your INTERNAL ip address
[21:16] <vidd> ifconfig
[21:16] <vidd> that will tell you
[21:17] <nubuntu> k, <IP_ADDRESS>/magento/install.php    <---- like that, in the other machine?
[21:17] <vidd> yes
[21:18] <vidd> do you get the same "download" message?
[21:18] <nubuntu> k, should i open the chat from there?
[21:18] <vidd> no need
[21:18] <nubuntu> ok, gimme couple mins not sure if she left it on
[21:19] <vidd> unless you are going to ssh into that machine
[21:19] <vidd> hehe
[21:24] <nubuntu> OHHHHHH  MYYYYY   GOOOOOOOD.  Welcome to Magento's Installation Wizard ... So I did, I did taw a puddy tat!
[21:24] <vinnl> \0/
[21:25] <vidd> told ya you were too close to it
[21:25] <nubuntu> How come it's showing up on THAT machine??
[21:25] <vidd> cuzz its a different machine
[21:25] <vidd> use the ip and not localhost on yours
[21:26] <nubuntu> what do u mean too close to it???  so you mean input the same way on this one now?
[21:26] <vidd> yes
[21:26] <nubuntu> so does that mean that all 3000 people in the room can now hack into my computer????
[21:27] <nubuntu> lol
[21:27] <nubuntu> or not lol :(
[21:27] <LoCaLMaChIn1> anyone know why the ubuntu channel screwed up?
[21:27] <nubuntu> what about the state secrets?
[21:28] <nubuntu> im pluggd into ubuntu, seems to be working fine
[21:29] <LoCaLMaChIn1> hmmm everytime I try to switch it freezes big time
[21:31] <nubuntu> vidd, and vinn1 ... question ... so if i downloaded the lampserver to that other machine i could access from either one??
[21:31] <vinnl> nubuntu, they'd be different installations
[21:32] <vinnl> nubuntu, btw, the last letter of my name is an "l" ;-) (You can also type "vin" then press <tab> :)
[21:32] <nubuntu> so as i save pages onto this machine, they would not be accessible on that one?
[21:33] <vinnl> Save pages?
[21:33] <vidd> nubuntu, on the acual machine, go to  <IP_ADDRESS>/magento/install.php
[21:33] <nubuntu> then how come the install wizard shows up there?
[21:33] <vidd> instead of  localhost/magento/install.php
[21:33] <nubuntu> ya, i am on it
[21:34] <nubuntu> haven't started anything with it yet cuz i'm still dumbfounded.  dumb, anyways.
[21:34] <Ben_Cs> btw guys why use nubuntu and not backtrack?
[21:34] <LoCaLMaChIn1> anyone else having problems with the Ubuntu channel
[21:35] <vidd> Ben_Cs, what do you mean?
[21:35] <Ben_Cs> vidd: you're discussing nubuntu scripts no?
[21:36] <vidd> no, we are talking to the user nubuntu
[21:36] <Ben_Cs> vidd: oh i see :)
[21:36] <nubuntu> vidd, and vinnl, can i access the page from anywhere?  do i need to password protect it?
[21:37] <nubuntu> i mean like, i'm my own live server now?
[21:37] <LoCaLMaChIn1> is glitsj6 here or has anyone seen him
[21:37] <nubuntu> Ben_Cs: what are nubuntu scripts?
[21:38] <vidd> as long as you are not forwarding http traffic via your router to that specific machine, you should be good
[21:39] <Ben_Cs> nubuntu: scripts in "nubuntu" linux for phishing info and hacking +security
[21:39] <nubuntu> guys  gonna run have a smoke (and check on the drumsticks) don't leave (unless you gotta :)
[21:40] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, ah, I've actually heard of that :)
[21:40] <vinnl> Wasn't Backtrack nubuntu with a new name?
[21:41] <LoCaLMaChIn1> whats going with the ubuntu channel
[21:41] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: backtrack is slax based and supposed to be better than nubuntu
[21:41] <vinnl> Ah
[21:42] <vidd> vinnl, any idea why his thing will display by ip addy and not with localhost?
[21:42] <vinnl> vidd, nope, but I'll be sure to remember it since I've had that problem with my own PHP scripts sometimes
[21:55] <Prikolchik> vidd, are u here?
[21:56] <Prikolchik> vidd, just want to let u know that i got the wireless card to work, lol. Once again, im not 100% sure how i've done it =D
[21:56] <totalwormage> :D
[21:57] <vidd> Prikolchik, glad to here it
[21:57] <Prikolchik> yea, it is funny. In Windows u have no idea how u broke something and in Linux u have no idea how u fixed something...
[21:57] <vinnl> xD
[21:57] <vidd> Prikolchik, did you reboot?
[21:57] <Prikolchik> nope
[21:58] <vidd> that is the ultimite test
[21:58] <Prikolchik> uh oh
[21:58] <Prikolchik> i added it to /etc/modules/ so it should work... lemem restart and i brb
[22:01] <liquidmetal> hello
[22:02] <vinnl> Hey liquidmetal
[22:02] <liquidmetal> I have a problem that i have been trying to fix for 2 days now
[22:03] <liquidmetal> I had windows xp media center edition 2005 on a sata drive which is now not working. I have a backup ata drive which has xubuntu on it
[22:04] <liquidmetal> i have no cd drive on this computer, i know you can install windows straight from the hard drive from within windows (i have done it before)
[22:04] <liquidmetal> i am a programmer and i need windows to test my programs on it. Is there any way i can install windows from within linux?
[22:05] <vinnl> I don't think so
[22:05] <liquidmetal> i have tried partitioning and using wine, but the windows install program runs into a error with wine
[22:05] <cody-somerville> Yes
[22:05] <Ben_Cs> vmware
[22:05] <vidd> liquidmetal, yes....but only to a virtual image
[22:05] <vinnl> Ah of course
[22:05]  * cody-somerville nods at Ben_Cs
[22:05] <liquidmetal> vmware?
[22:06] <vinnl> !vmware
[22:06] <Ben_Cs> virtual pc inside linux
[22:06] <liquidmetal> ah, ok.
[22:07] <liquidmetal> now if its a virtual pc, will i be able to save to it? or will my data be lost everytime i reboot?
[22:07] <vidd> liquidmetal, you should be able to save to it
[22:09] <liquidmetal> ok, one last question
[22:10] <vidd> yes?
[22:11] <liquidmetal> is there any way i can have my comp boot to a executible? or have grub point to a file and run it?
[22:12] <vidd> like auto-launch an app?
[22:12] <liquidmetal> yeah
[22:12] <vidd> that is set by the OS, not the bootloader
[22:13] <vidd> the only thing your computer can boot is a bootloader....
[22:13] <vidd> grub is a bootloader
[22:13] <vidd> windows has their own bootloader
[22:14] <Prikolchik> hey, it all works great! I even make the led blink + off/on switch work
[22:14] <liquidmetal> ok, thankx
[22:14] <adakos> hey folks. I just did an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop from my server -- how do i start the graphics now?
[22:14] <Prikolchik> srry it took so long, i had to do a victory dance =D
[22:15] <vidd> adakos, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[22:15] <adakos> thanks.. let me try
[22:15] <adakos> oh snap.
[22:15] <adakos> thanks vidd.
[22:15] <vidd> Prikolchik, sweet...victory dance required to be recorded and posted to youtube!
[22:15] <adakos> how do i get back to my beloved console though?
[22:16] <adakos> nevermind
[22:16] <adakos> i figured it out
[22:16] <vidd> lol
[22:16] <adakos> hahaha thanks so much!
[22:17] <vidd> adakos, you could propably just said start instead of restrat....but what is two letters between freinds!
[22:17] <vidd> =]
[22:18] <Prikolchik> i dont want to flood youtube with my phat guy dances
[22:18] <vinnl> Everybody loves phat guy dances
[22:18] <Prikolchik> cy all thanks forall help!
[22:18] <vinnl> Bye
[22:19] <vidd> i think im done helping for the day
[22:19] <vinnl> ^.^
[22:19] <vidd> 10 minutes till the end of my shift
[22:23] <vidd> hey vinnl did thta guy ever gain access to his installer on the server machine?
[22:24] <nubuntu> vidd, i am here:     *           o PHP Extension "mcrypt" must be loaded           o PHP Extension "curl" must be loaded           o PHP Extension "gd" must be loaded
[22:24] <vidd> happy, happy....joy, joy
[22:25] <vidd> so are you able to access on the machine its running from?
[22:26] <vidd> so install curl, gd, and mcrypt
[22:27] <vidd> make sure you chose the correct version
[22:29] <vidd> im out...have fun!
[22:33] <cody-somerville> http://cody.zapto.org/?p=41
[22:39] <corey> can someone help me get my sound to work, I am running ubuntu but noone on that channel seems to be helping me
[22:42] <corey> can someone help me
[23:02] <dsl> Hello?
[23:02] <vinnl> Hey dsl
[23:02] <dsl> I have a quick question
[23:03] <dsl> On the xubuntu website there is mention on the download page of minimum RAM
[23:03] <dsl> What is minimum processor?
[23:03] <dsl> (I speak of version Ɏx)
[23:03] <dsl> (I speak of version 8)
[23:03] <Ben_Cs> 300nhz
[23:04] <Ben_Cs> but 450 is recommended
[23:05] <dsl> Ben_Cs, in your experience would 500MHz PIII with 384 MB RAM provide a responsive system?
[23:06] <Flannel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[23:06] <Ben_Cs> dsl: yes
[23:07] <dsl> Thanks
[23:08] <Ben_Cs> dsl: but you should prefer apps that don't need much ram and cpu. ie: don't use k3b. use brasero instead , etc.


[19:37] <atrus> so, i'm still confused about the messaging menu. What determines if an application shows up there?
[19:38] <atrus> evolution/empathy/gwibber/pidgin seem to just be there permanently, even the ones i don't use, just because they're installed. gm-notify only shows up when its running which seems like the right behavior...
[19:38] <atrus> is there a way to remove things from the menu if i don't want them there?
[19:39] <atrus> ie, an app that's installed for another user, but that I don't actually use at all?
[19:40] <atrus> also, is there any visual indication from indicator-applet that an application isn't running? Evolution's always in there, but it seems like the menu only does anything if the evolution UI is open, which is confusing.
[20:04] <tedg> atrus: You can remove things by putting them in the blacklist directory if you'd like.
[20:04] <tedg> atrus: Applications that show up there are those who have been ported to use the libindicate library.
[20:04] <tedg> atrus: gm-notify should put it self as a launcher there, but it hasn't yet.
[20:05] <tedg> atrus: Not having a large difference between running and not running is a design goal in that you can go to a menu to find the application no matter what the state of it is.
[20:06] <atrus> tedg: okay, so looking at evolution for example, how do i tell from looking at the menu whether evolution is actually checking mail for me?
[20:07] <atrus> it shows up in the menu regardless of whether it's checking mail (apparently).
[20:07] <tedg> atrus: It will have your mailboxes listed below it, and not have a description if it is not running.
[20:08] <tedg> Sorry.  Description == not running.  Mailboxes == running.
[20:08] <atrus> that seems somewhat non-intuitive.
[21:13] <SiDi> Hi there. Does anyone have Celeste Lyn Paul's email by chance?
[21:13] <ScottK> SiDi: Should be in her Launchpad profile or you can contact her via Launchpad.
[21:14] <SiDi> ScottK: do you have her LP username then please? :)
[21:14] <ScottK> SiDi: I'd guess seele (her IRC Nick), but if not LP search on that should turn it up.
[21:15] <SiDi> oh, found her on google. Thanks
[22:53] <atrus> tedg: so, where is this blacklist directory? or did that make karmic/karmic-proposed yet?
[22:54] <tedg> atrus: ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist  If you want you can just do "mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist ; cp /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/* /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/"
[22:56] <tedg> Sorry, the second directory in the cp should be the blacklist one.
[22:56] <tedg> Copy-and-paste error.
[22:56] <atrus> hmm.
[22:57] <atrus> so, i did "mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist; cp /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/evolution ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist", and then removed/re-added the indicator applet, but evolution still shows up in there.
[22:58] <tedg> Sorry, it should be "applications-blacklist" instead of "application-blacklist"
[22:59] <atrus> "mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications-blacklist; cp /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/evolution ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications-blacklist"
[22:59] <atrus> and evolution still shows up.
[23:07] <tedg> Hmm...  that's unexpected....
[23:08] <tedg> I need to go and make dinner.  But probably the best thing to do is kill indicator-messages-service and then run it in a terminal.  It'll output lots of fun information about what it's thinking.
[23:14] <atrus> tedg: so it does report finding the blacklist item, but it also reports "Found file: evolution" twice...
[23:16] <atrus> oh.


[01:07] <Sebastien> zykotick9, well, im from the Gatineau/Ottawa area, i live in Hull right now, beside the "border" :)
[01:32] <zykotick9> Sebastien: well, if you choose a location in downtown ottawa, i'd be willing to attend any ubuntu hours (you, or someone else) organizes ;)
[01:33] <Sebastien> well for now this would ook more like a one on one at tim hortons, but i could look to setup something in the next months, indeed.
[01:35] <zykotick9> Sebastien: well, i'm on the #ubuntu-ca mailing list again, so keep it/me informated ;)  take care
[01:35] <Sebastien> will do :)
[01:38] <zykotick9> s/informated/informed/  sorry that just looked to ugly
[02:00] <Sebastien> :)