[15:12]  * PaulW2U tidies up the prep .doc by bullet pointing articles that are clearly never going to get their own summary
[17:20] <pleia2> thanks PaulW2U \o/
[23:33] <wxl> pleia2: new con! http://freecon.us/
[23:33] <wxl> (in your neck of the woods)
[23:33] <wxl> not sure if you know the noisebridge ppl but they rule


[11:38] <redvil> gud ibning!!!
[12:17] <redvil> tao po
[12:22] <Terminus-> evening. =)
[12:22] <str0ng> Terminus-: :) good pm :)
[12:22] <Terminus-> heya str0ng =)
[12:23] <str0ng> :)
[12:23] <str0ng> kumusta?
[12:23] <Terminus-> uh... went a bit wild upgrading my gaming pc and now i'm trying to stop myself from buying skyrim, bf3, and dragon age ultimate. you? =)
[12:24] <str0ng> haha
[12:24] <str0ng> me.. hmm..
[12:24] <str0ng> well.. still busy learning stuffs..
[12:24] <Terminus-> oooh! also, i passed LPIC-2. forgot about that. hehe
[12:24] <Jucato> san ang tao?
[12:25] <str0ng> Terminus-: oi.. nice! congrats!
[12:25] <Terminus-> Jucato: ewan ko. may tao ba dito? hehe
[12:25] <Terminus-> str0ng: thanks. =)
[12:25] <str0ng> Terminus-: buti ka pa at marami ka nang certifications :)
[12:25] <Terminus-> still thinking about grabbing RHCSA and RHCE. hehe
[12:25] <Jucato> meron ata eh
[12:25] <Jucato> oh congrats :)
[12:25] <Jucato> mahal ang LPI ehehe :P
[12:25] <Terminus-> thanks. =)
[12:25] <str0ng> Terminus-: good!
[12:26] <redvil> tanong lang mga bosing..dami rin bang gumagamit ng linux sa Pinas?
[12:26] <Terminus-> Jucato: discounted exam sa UP. haha. yung mahal yung retake ko coz i flunked 202. grrr... would have been nice to have a flawless record.
[12:26] <Terminus-> redvil: lots of companies here use it. =)
[12:26] <Jucato> patago lang
[12:27] <Jucato> bwahaha
[12:27] <redvil> Terminus-: ah ok...mga 2 yrs pa lang kasi ako gumagamit ng linux..
[12:27] <str0ng> Terminus-: i'm targetting RHCSA next fiscal year :)
[12:27] <Jucato> Terminus-: ah discount from UP? ayos ah
[12:27]  * Jucato wonders what level na si pusakat
[12:27] <redvil> umpisa ako sa ubuntu...tapos ngayon Mint na gamit ko..pero nangangapa pa rin..hehehe
[12:27] <Terminus-> Jucato: yeah... the special exam they had last september.
[12:28] <Jucato> aaah
[12:28] <Terminus-> str0ng: i read that RHCSA and RHCE requirements aren't too different from LPI so i'm thinking of just buying a reviewer off amazon and taking them both at the same time. hehe
[12:28] <Terminus-> Jucato: i learned about it on the PLUG ML i think.
[12:28] <Jucato> ah buhay pa un? :D
[12:28] <Terminus-> yes. lol
[12:29] <Jucato> ah the ML. yeah buhay pa un
[12:29] <Jucato> post ka lang ng controversial topic, buhay na buhay na
[12:29] <Terminus-> hahaha
[12:29] <Jucato> hindi ka pa pagsasabihan kung offtopic >:)
[12:29] <Jucato> redvil: welcome to Linux, Free Software, and ubuntu (2 years too late)
[12:29] <Jucato> (2 years to late and welcome I mean)
[12:30] <redvil> Jucato: ano ba mga distro na gamit nyo?
[12:30] <Jucato> not-Ubuntu
[12:30]  * Jucato tago muna
[12:30] <redvil> lumipat lng ako sa linux kasi panay crash at virus sa MS..kaka-badtrip
[12:31] <str0ng> i'm not using Ubuntu nowadays..
[12:31] <Terminus-> i'm thinking about giving 12.04 a try when it goes alpha. biggest problem i have is the fact that taskjuggler seems to have disappeared from the repo due to the lack of a maintainer. OTOH, doesn't look to hard to package.
[12:31] <Terminus-> Jucato: haha. fedora? arch? slackware? =D
[12:32] <redvil> ubuntu lang kasi alam kong madali at pang-beginner
[12:32] <Terminus-> OTOH, you're a kde guy. the whole unity thing shouldn't be an issue for you. =P
[12:32] <Jucato> fedora
[12:32] <redvil> fedora di ba kde.?
[12:33] <Terminus-> ah... yeah. that'd be my choice if i had to do dev stuff. =)
[12:33] <Jucato> fedora. nah. the "default" is gnome too
[12:33] <redvil> ah ok...
[12:33] <redvil> kala ko kasi pag sa ibaba galing yung menu KDE...pag sa itaas galing Gnome..
[12:34] <Terminus-> i tried booting F15 on my new setup. complained about an unsupported chipset. -_-
[12:34] <str0ng> Terminus-: try f16 :)
[12:34] <Jucato> for some reason, I'm still associated to Ubuntu, because of "duties" in ubuntu-ph >:)
[12:34] <redvil> baka lumipad yan pag F-16 :)
[12:34] <str0ng> Jucato: on the contrary, i'm not associated to anything hahahaha
[12:34] <Jucato> ("I tried booting Kubuntu on my new setup. complained about an unsupported community." bwahahah!)
[12:34] <Terminus-> str0ng: no reason to do so now. the only reason i was trying to boot F15 was because i was gonna use it to review for LPI. =D
[12:35] <Jucato> str0ng: you're beyond being associated with anything
[12:35] <Terminus-> ouch... O_o
[12:35] <Jucato> nag-level up ka na!
[12:35] <str0ng> Terminus-: ah yeah.. LPI is a little bit Redhat :)
[12:35] <Terminus-> str0ng: not really. it's vendor neutral. =)
[12:35] <str0ng> hehe
[12:35] <str0ng> Terminus-: ah ok..
[12:36] <Terminus-> i just wanted something that was recent and wasn't ubuntu. XD
[12:36] <str0ng> Jucato: yeah, level up.. from janitor.. to plumber :)
[12:36] <Terminus-> str0ng: mamaya baka master plumber na? hehehe
[12:36] <redvil> mga bosing meron ba kayong alam na link for beginners in CLI?
[12:36] <str0ng> Terminus-:  hahaha
[12:36] <Terminus-> redvil: linuxcommand.org
[12:38] <redvil> Terminus-: salamat..i'll check it out
[12:38] <str0ng> hehe.. mukhang magmumukhang Solaris na Linux
[12:38] <str0ng> hehe.
[12:38] <str0ng> systemd almost equal to SMF
[12:38] <Terminus-> str0ng: bakit?
[12:38] <Terminus-> oh... hehehe
[12:38] <Terminus-> speaking of which, i gotta give solaris 11 a try too.
[12:39] <Jucato> sayang hindi na port officially ang ZFS. rumor has it, it would have made something like Time Machine much easier on Linux ... rumor lang :)
[12:39] <str0ng> then, they're trying to get rid of /bin and /sbin put them all to /usr
[12:39] <Terminus-> not that i'll use solaris. the license for production use on non-oracle servers is a bit heavy. -_-
[12:39] <str0ng> to accomodate "containers" in the future.. :) SOlaris zone it is.
[12:39] <Terminus-> Jucato: you can still use zfs through fuse. =)
[12:39] <Jucato> Terminus-: hence the "officially" part :P
[12:39] <Terminus-> in any case, zfs on linux was never an option. btrfs lang. hehe
[12:40] <Terminus-> =)
[12:40] <Jucato> bitter fs :)
[12:40] <str0ng> hehe.
[12:40] <Terminus-> from butter to bitter? bwahahaha
[12:40] <Jucato> my friend had terrible I/O performance with btrfs, switched back to ext4
[12:40] <str0ng> i'm just referring to Fedora..
[12:40] <Jucato> from butter to better to bitter
[12:41] <Terminus-> so now we have insserv, upstart, and systemd. fun. =D
[12:41] <str0ng> Terminus-:  yeah.. but.. looks like systemd is promising..
[12:41] <Terminus-> oh... must not forget sysv. slackware still uses it.
[12:41] <str0ng> sysv is ancient :P
[12:41] <Terminus-> str0ng: yeah, i don't really mind which init system to use but systemd is nice. =)
[12:41] <Terminus-> s/mind/care/
[12:42] <str0ng> already default in F16... and openSuse 12.1 i think..
[12:42] <Terminus-> ugh... opensuse. XD
[12:43] <str0ng> the beauty of parallelizing :P
[12:43] <str0ng> hehe.. all about sockets and buses..
[12:44] <Jucato> innserv?
[12:44] <str0ng> and systemd is inspired by?? anyone?
[12:44] <Jucato> by PulseAudio
[12:44] <Terminus-> Jucato: yeah... the one debian uses.
[12:44] <str0ng> Apple's MAC OSX launchd....
[12:45] <Jucato> I read that the upstart developer is considering discontinuing it in favor of systemd
[12:45] <Terminus-> oh my... launchctl load. =P
[12:45] <str0ng> Terminus-: hehe.. systemctl it is! :)
[12:45] <Jucato> ah
[12:45] <str0ng> systemctl stats
[12:45]  * Jucato doesn't know OSX *whistles*
[12:45] <str0ng> s/stats/status
[12:46] <Terminus-> i haven't looked at systemd so i wouldn't know. =D
[12:46] <Jucato> buti na lang may "backwards compatibility" support. ung mga dating chkconfig at service commands
[12:46] <Jucato> pag nag run ka, sasabihin "redirecting to systemctl blah blah"
[12:47] <Terminus-> well, doesn't make sense to not have a migration path. hehe
[12:47] <str0ng> Terminus-: if your planning to take RHCE.. looks like the new version is RH 6 or early 7, then i believe you should read that in advance ;)
[12:47] <Terminus-> str0ng: i'll just install centos 6. =)
[12:47] <str0ng> hehe
[12:48] <Terminus-> and yeah, current RHCE is based on RHEL 6. =)
[12:48] <str0ng> hehe..
[12:48] <Terminus-> in any case, hands-on exam sounds nice.
[12:48] <str0ng> and oh....the beloved.. SELinux..
[12:49] <Terminus-> oh that... i already make my own tes. =)
[12:49] <str0ng> hehe
[12:49] <str0ng> mukhang heavy sa SELinux yung RH6 exam
[12:49] <Terminus-> i haven't disabled selinux in a long time. hehe
[12:49] <str0ng> haha
[12:50] <Terminus-> most of the time it's just an sebool but occasionally, must dive deeper into audit.log. =D
[12:50] <Terminus-> s/sebool/setsebool/
[12:50] <str0ng> I remember that... the easiest way to solve SELinux issues is to... setenfoce 0
[12:51] <Terminus-> i just do a lot of testing then catch the stuff in audit.log. i used to just disable selinux though. hehe
[12:51] <Jucato> ah SELinux ... still don't know it's puprose.
[12:51] <Jucato> most users do :)
[12:51] <Jucato> (disable selinux)
[12:51] <str0ng> Jucato: "security" i guess :)
[12:51] <Terminus-> Jucato: MAC and RBAC. =)
[12:51] <Jucato> (it's also funded by the US NSA di ba? :)
[12:51] <str0ng> too much security.. nyahaha..
[12:52] <str0ng> native unix permission + ACL + SELinux
[12:52] <Jucato> hindi ba native unix permission == ACL?
[12:52] <Terminus-> if you do anything funky with iptables/selinux, chmod -x setup system-config* && chattr +i setup system-config* to prevent accidents. =D
[12:53]  * Jucato hindi pa rin sanay sa mga proper ACL when it comes to web stuff
[12:53] <Terminus-> i learned that the hard way... didn't have change management in place, trusted other admin to tread carefully, end result: data loss. =(
[12:54] <Terminus-> Jucato: nope. acl is different from unix perms. =)
[12:54] <Terminus-> acl == get/setfacl
[12:54] <Jucato> ah ok .. hm ... need to review then :)
[12:54] <Terminus-> acls are quite handy when you have samba joined to active directory.
[12:54] <Terminus-> especially when your profiles are stored on a samba server. =)
[12:55] <str0ng> yeah..
[12:56] <str0ng> hmm..
[12:56] <Terminus-> i gotta review how to make iscsi targets again. it was a fire and forget situation the last time i did it.
[12:57] <str0ng> Terminus-: would you know if there's an existing implementations of "containers" aka zones in Solaris for Linux?
[12:57] <Terminus-> str0ng: openvz is the closest.
[12:58] <str0ng> hmm.. ok..
[12:59]  * str0ng googling..
[13:02] <Terminus-> str0ng: parallels virtuozzo is basically openvz IIRC.
[13:02] <str0ng> hmm..
[13:02] <str0ng> the commercial one?
[13:02] <Terminus-> yeah.
[13:03] <str0ng> ah..
[13:04] <Terminus-> i remember talking to a guy who claimed he used to work with the guy who headed it's development. he said it's basically a big, horrifying chroot hack underneath. lol
[13:05] <str0ng> ow.. haha
[13:06] <str0ng> yeah. contaienrs are just really like chroot
[13:06] <Terminus-> then again, aren't all "containers" just chroot hacks? =)
[13:06] <str0ng> though, I'm not sure if it's "shared"?
[13:07] <str0ng> hehe..
[13:07] <Terminus-> well, they share the kernel.
[13:07] <str0ng> only the kernel?
[13:07] <str0ng> how about the tools?
[13:07] <str0ng> libs?
[13:08] <str0ng> zones, does that.
[13:08] <Terminus-> ni think they're separate.
[13:09] <str0ng> ah..
[13:09] <Terminus-> i think installing multiple distros would be a problem if it wasn't separate. =)
[13:09] <str0ng> yeah.. make sense..
[13:12] <str0ng> hmm..
[13:14] <str0ng> hehe.. Shell is Evil! :)
[13:14] <str0ng> according to Lennart.. haha
[13:20] <Terminus-> anyway, i'm gonna go gaming. =D
[13:23] <str0ng> Terminus-: ayt! :)
[13:23] <Terminus-> see ya. =)


[01:42] <spec4d> I have a dumb(ish) question. How hard would it be port Ubunt-Touch to run on a OnePlus One (runs Cyanagenmod as it's stock OS) for a 1/2 decent computer engineer. Would this be like a 40hr thing or a 4 month thing? I'm just curious.
[04:27] <WebVisitor-3> hi -- i have a hopefully quick question... is there any way with 14.04 to get a general scroll gesture working with a multi-touch-screen?
[04:32] <WebVisitor-3> this is for ubuntu-desktop on a samsung ativ tab 7 700t1c.  unfortunately the trackpad isn't recognized correctly so there's no scroll gesture possible that way either.
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> !devices
[12:00] <taiebot> Can we expect any progress on app start up time before rtm?


[21:20] <mup> Bug #1987009 opened: [2.9.33] MAAS+TLS: machines occasionally fail with: net/http: cannot rewind body after connection loss <juju:Triaged by manadart> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1987009>


[14:30] <coolbhavi> hey cwayne good morning!
[14:31] <cwayne> good morning coolbhavi!
[14:34] <cwayne> coolbhavi: did you log that bug?
[14:35] <coolbhavi> cwayne, logging it now
[14:35] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:10] <coolbhavi> cwayne, https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/1089423
[15:11] <cwayne> coolbhavi: thanks!
[15:16] <coolbhavi> :)
[16:28] <coolbhavi> dpm, hey


[15:19] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi kandarp
[15:19] <manusheel> around?
[15:19] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Hello sir.
[15:20] <manusheel> kandarpk: Were you able to complete the dependencies part, yesterday?
[15:20] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sir, I tried installing glib from the tarball which broke the system
[15:21] <kandarpk> ubuntu could not start in graphicla mode
[15:21] <kandarpk> had to reinstall it today
[15:21] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok. That was unfortunate.
[15:22] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let us write an e-mail on glib issues.
[15:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let us try and arrive at a good conclusion on it.
[15:23] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sir, I reloaded the package info. in synaptic and had libglib2.0 there
[15:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[15:23] <kandarpk> installing it solved the problem
[15:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: Wonderful. So, now is there any other dependency left?
[15:23] <kandarpk> working on installing sugar-jhbuild now
[15:24] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, as you install it, let us discuss the bugs too.
[15:24] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: jhbuild is being installed and hasn't reported any yet
[15:24] <kandarpk> Ok.
[15:24] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, no errors.
[15:27] <manusheel> kandarpk: Is it working fine?
[15:27] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: cloning source right now, 12/30 done.
[15:28] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[15:28] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: it failed on 5th and 6th yesterday.
[15:28] <kandarpk> so going good right now.
[15:30] <manusheel> kandarpk: Happy to hear.
[15:30] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hope we arrive at a good conclusion on it.
[15:50] <satellit_> I have a question about a HD install of USR-i386-20100628.iso  (Ubuntu 10.04) It works fine but On boot  It cannot find a HD with a long number is error code; so it drops to a shell. I have to type "exit" and hit return to get boot to continue  is this a known error?
[15:56] <satellit_> I lost connection sorry
[16:16] <manusheel> satellit__: Sorry. I don't have an answer to your question. Have forwarded your query to our experts in USR.  I don't have an answer to your question. Have forwarded your query to our experts in USR.  I see your web site is updated to new version of USR now....
[16:26] <satellit_> I will reinstall it (is it still ubuntu 10.04 LTS?
[16:28] <satellit_> manusheel: I used the USR for testing activities: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Soas_V4/ASLOxo_Activity_Test_Table#Activity_Test_Results  Updated today USR are in Bold
[16:38] <manusheel> satellit_: Thanks for sharing this information.
[16:44] <kandarpk> hulahop gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/474568/ on building
[16:48] <satellit_> yw
[17:17] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sugar-jhbuild is running in maverick.
[17:33] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[17:40] <manusheel> kandarp: What is the next task we are working on?
[17:41] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: trying to package exelearning
[17:41] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[17:42] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let us have a word on bugs at 10:45 pm.
[17:42] <manusheel> mukul: Hi Mukul.
[17:42] <mukul> manusheel sir:Hi
[17:43] <manusheel> mukul: How is packaging process coming along?
[17:44] <manusheel> mukul: Talk to you soon. In the middle of a task.
[17:44] <mukul> manusheel sir: I am currently trying to package TurtleArt-93
[18:02] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: around ?
[18:03] <kandarpk> ankur: Hi.
[18:03] <ankur> hi kandarpk
[18:03] <ankur> :)
[18:07] <ishan> ankur, sir could you please explain the order of files in copyright
[18:08] <ankur> see , what part was exactly not clear to , i mean can you frame your question more specifically?
[18:10] <ishan> ankur, i was not able to understand the match part
[18:10] <ishan> ankur, i was not able to understand the match part?
[18:10] <ishan> what exactly does it mean?
[18:12] <ishan> ankur, what do you mean by file match,sub-directory match,explicit path match and /.debian match??
[18:12] <mukul> kandarpk, ankur sir: Can you help me resolve this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/474598/
[18:12] <ankur> okay
[18:13] <ankur> see first we mention the * ruke
[18:13] <ankur> that is files : *
[18:13] <ankur> then we go on to mention
[18:13] <ankur> subdir using wildcards
[18:13] <ankur> like ./sugar* or something like that
[18:13] <ankur> then
[18:13] <mukul> neeraj sir:Hi
[18:13] <ankur> comes file match
[18:14] <ankur> mukul : looking
[18:14] <ankur> ishaan
[18:14] <ankur> and so on
[18:14] <neeraj> hi all :)
[18:14] <ankur> can you decipher the direction i am trying to give?
[18:14] <ishan> ankur, yes
[18:15] <ishan> ankur, regarding the copyright sign- is that to be changed with any other symbol or just removed
[18:15] <ankur> remove it
[18:15] <ankur> but make sure
[18:15] <ankur> that " © " is replaced by " "
[18:15] <ankur> bot two spaces
[18:16] <ankur> *bot/not
[18:16] <neeraj> Either you use Copyright symbol in all copyright or don't use it at all..
[18:16] <ishan> okay
[18:16] <neeraj> that's what luke told me
[18:17] <ankur> Neeraj : joans asked to not use them ....
[18:17] <kandarpk> mukul: you'll need to edit changelog file
[18:17] <ankur> in his latest review
[18:17] <kandarpk> the version there
[18:17] <neeraj> mukul, yes
[18:17] <neeraj> please paste bin ur changlog file
[18:18] <ishan> ankur, like i am making changes in the package so should i be updating the changelog
[18:18] <neeraj> use typewithme site
[18:18] <ankur> no
[18:18] <ishan> ankur, okay
[18:18] <kandarpk> hi neeraj
[18:18] <mukul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/474602/
[18:18] <neeraj> hi kandarpk sir
[18:19] <ankur> mukul : add version no istead of VERSION
[18:19] <ankur> there
[18:20] <neeraj> mukul: http://typewith.me/f1xAi8EakG
[18:26] <mukul> neeraj, ankur, kandarpk sir: How do I find its version no. ?
[18:26] <kandarpk> mukul: its 93
[18:27] <kandarpk> as mentioned in the tarball
[18:28] <neeraj> mukul: can u give me the link of git repo for turtle art?
[18:28] <mukul> neeraj sir: git://git.sugarlabs.org/turtleart/mainline.git
[18:32] <neeraj> mukul: thanks
[18:38] <mukul> neeraj sir:What do I do now?
[18:39] <neeraj> mukul: have u edited other files as mentioned in documentation?
[18:40] <mukul> Yes
[18:41] <mukul> but wherever there was PACKAGE_NAME,I wrote TurtleArt-93
[18:41] <neeraj> replace it with sugar-turtleart-activity
[18:41] <neeraj> as in changelog
[18:41] <neeraj> also regenerate ur control file from control.in after making these changes
[18:58] <ishan> neeraj, could you help me in copyright file
[19:00] <neeraj> ishan, yes
[19:01] <mukul> neeraj sir: http://typewith.me/AZymQ7wqJm
[19:01] <ishan> neeraj, please check if order in copyright file is correct
[19:01] <ishan> http://pastebin.com/SMZ9Barr
[19:07] <mukul> neeraj sir: Please check the command at typewithme
[19:08] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[19:08] <manusheel> Around?
[19:08] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir.
[19:08] <manusheel> neeraj: Hi Neeraj. Sorry, was working on USR plans for the coming week.
[19:08] <manusheel> neeraj: How are you doing?
[19:09] <manusheel> kandarpk: How is exelearning packaging on Debian coming along?
[19:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: its almost done.
[19:09] <kandarpk> it requires firefox
[19:09] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[19:09] <kandarpk> I am trying to run it without that
[19:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure.
[19:10] <neeraj> manusheel sir, sorry couldn't pick your call at that time. Was away.
[19:10] <kandarpk> it shuldn't be browser dependent
[19:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: Neat work.
[19:10] <manusheel> neeraj: No worries. Did you get a chance to spend time on bugs?
[19:12] <manusheel> kandarpk: Absolutely.
[19:12] <neeraj> mukul: let me know if u face ny problem
[19:15] <manusheel> ishan: Yes, you mistakenly went out of the #ubuntu-sugarteam channel.
[19:15] <ishan> manusheel, okay
[19:15] <mukul> neeraj sir: Please check typewith me
[19:16] <ishan> neeraj, have u looked into copyright file sir
[19:16] <manusheel> shachi__: Hi Shachi.
[19:16] <shachi__> hello sir
[19:17] <neeraj> ishan: sorry but could u re-post the link? I think I lost u.
[19:17] <neeraj> mukul, let me forward u a mail
[19:17] <shachi__> neeraj sir, hello
[19:18] <ishan> neeraj, i think i somehow went out of irc
[19:18] <ishan> http://pastebin.com/SMZ9Barr
[19:18] <neeraj> shachi__: hi
[19:19] <manusheel> shachi__: How is packaging of image viewer coming along?
[19:19] <neeraj> ishan: I think as Jonas was maintaining this activity you should not face ny problem with copyright file.
[19:20] <ishan> neeraj, jonas was not maintaining this activity sir
[19:20] <ishan> i packaged it from scratch for debian
[19:20] <shachi__> manusheel sir,  i'm yet to start on it. I hadn't registered at alioth
[19:21] <neeraj> ishan: Sorry. I got confused. Jonas was maintaining  mukul's earlier activity :)
[19:21] <manusheel> shachi__: Ok, please do so today.
[19:21] <ishan> neeraj, yep
[19:21] <shachi__> manusheel sir, so i applied for the registered there, applied for membership at deban-olpc and collab-maint
[19:21] <manusheel> shachi__: The login issues got solved, right?
[19:21] <neeraj> ishan: git repo link of ur activity?
[19:21] <shachi__> manusheel sir,and just completed registering my ssh keys on it
[19:22] <ishan> neeraj, i just want to know if anything is wrong in my copyright file according to the jonas specifications
[19:22] <neeraj> ishan: first please give git link of ur repo. :)
[19:22] <neeraj> on git.debian.org
[19:22] <manusheel> shachi__: Ok. Were you able to do it successfully?
[19:23] <shachi__> manusheel sir, yes sir..i had forgotten to suffix -guest to my username
[19:23] <shachi__> manusheel sir, yes
[19:23] <manusheel> shachi__: Ok. Glad it came along well. What are the next set of steps you are moving forward to/
[19:23] <manusheel> ?*
[19:23] <ishan> neeraj, http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-moon-activity.git;a=summary
[19:24] <neeraj> mukul: please create a new git local repo and try turtle activity
[19:24] <mukul> neeraj, ok sir
[19:25] <shachi__> manusheel sir, well..i just contacted dipankar sir. And he has asked me too go through the documentation and start off with the initial steps
[19:25] <neeraj> mukul: check ur inbox. :)
[19:25] <manusheel> shachi__: The documentation on log viewer?
[19:26] <shachi__> manusheel sir, he's unwell so he was not able to come online today..so he would send me the debian folder tomorrow.
[19:26]  * ishan is waiting
[19:26] <manusheel> shachi__: Yes, he informed me about it. Shachi, which debian folder?
[19:27] <manusheel> shachi__: I can share the documentation on packaging log viewer if you don't have it.
[19:27] <ishan> manusheel, sir the debian folder which is added for making the debian package
[19:27] <neeraj> ishan: you should make changes in one file then commit it and push it on git
[19:27] <ishan> yes sir i know
[19:28] <neeraj> you shouldn't make changes in multiple files then push all changes. :)
[19:28] <ishan> i am still making changes in copyright file only
[19:28] <neeraj> ishan: yeah. was just informing ;0
[19:28] <neeraj> ishan: great :)
[19:28] <manusheel> ishan: Can you share that debian folder with Shachi?
[19:29] <ishan> manusheel, okay sir
[19:30] <manusheel> neeraj, ishan: Let us make sure that we comment on the wiki page after sending a review request (r?) on the tasks page. Moon activity is not there, and will need to be added. Please add it carefully.
[19:30] <neeraj> ishan: have u regenerated your copyrighthints file?
[19:30] <ishan> shachi__, neeraj sir already sent you the source ball
[19:30] <neeraj> ur copyright file seems ok to me
[19:31] <ishan> neeraj, i tried running that command but it didnt showed any comments yet
[19:31] <manusheel> ishan: Yes, did you regenerate copyright hints file?
[19:31] <neeraj> ishan: which command did u run?
[19:32] <ishan> neeraj, the command added by ankur sir in his documentation to generate copyright hints
[19:33] <neeraj> ishan: i don't think I have it right now? Can u post it so that I can confirm?
[19:33] <neeraj> the prebuild one..
[19:34] <ishan> neeraj, yes sir
[19:36] <ishan> neeraj, DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE=1 fakeroot debian/rules pre-build mv copyright_newhints copyright_hints
[19:38] <shachi__> neeraj, there?
[19:39] <neeraj> ishan: ok
[19:39] <neeraj> shachi__: yes
[19:39] <neeraj> ishan: you should commit ur copyright changes and push ur changes
[19:39] <shachi__> neeraj, sorry something went wrong
[19:39] <ishan> neeraj, okay sir
[19:39] <neeraj> shachi__: np
[19:40] <manusheel> shachi__: Neeraj is already swamped. If you have any questions, you can ask kandarpk or ankur (at google chat).
[19:41] <shachi__> manusheel sir, oh ok. np.
[19:41] <manusheel> shachi__: Thanks for the kind understanding.
[19:42] <mukul> neeraj sir: Pleasee confirm whether these lines are correct on typewithme
[19:42] <neeraj> ishan: see line 31 in rules file
[19:42] <neeraj> http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-moon-activity.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;h=1f04d6c13c6800a459f4f569a0d0cde0b93ff857;hb=ad626418090c93d7dcfa7266dcf15020a150c510
[19:42] <neeraj> I think I made this typo in the initial_debian folder.
[19:42] <mukul> http://typewith.me/AZymQ7wqJm
[19:42] <neeraj> After pushing ur changes, correct this file
[19:43] <neeraj> and commit ur changes with commit message, Corrected typo in debian/rules file
[19:44] <ishan> neeraj, first i should be making all changes and push the changes
[19:44] <shachi__> manusheel sir, they don't seem to be online right now.
[19:44] <neeraj> Ideally u should make one change only and inform about the change in ur commit message
[19:45] <ishan> yes i did that
[19:45] <ishan> i am asking about push part
[19:45] <ishan> make change and commit
[19:45] <ishan> after all changes done then push
[19:45] <ishan> right??
[19:45] <neeraj> no
[19:45] <neeraj> make change, commit and push
[19:46] <ishan> neeraj, okay
[19:46] <neeraj> Ideally we want to infrom about ny change in commit message only
[19:46] <neeraj> we can't include information about all changes in a single message
[19:46] <ishan> neeraj, okay will take care from next time
[19:46] <manusheel> shachi__: I think Kandarp is there. Let me check.
[19:46] <neeraj> for more understanding u can see my changes and commit messages for record activity
[19:47] <ishan> neeraj, okay
[19:47]  * ishan is bit confused
[19:47] <shachi__> manusheel sir, ankur sir just came online
[19:47] <shachi__> i'll ask him
[19:47] <shachi__> :)
[19:48] <neeraj> ishan: still confused?
[19:48] <ishan> neeraj, yes a bit regarding the commit and push part
[19:48] <neeraj> mukul: any ques?
[19:49] <mukul> neeraj sir: i am proceeding ahead
[19:49] <mukul> neeraj sir: as for now no
[19:49] <neeraj> mukul: great
[19:49] <manusheel> shachi__: Sure, please do.
[19:49] <neeraj> ishan: Change->commit->push->change-commit->push
[19:50] <ishan> neeraj, i got that point
[19:50] <neeraj> ishan: changes should be as small as possible so that u can informed about the change in commit message
[19:50] <neeraj> ishan: then where is the confusion?
[19:51] <ishan> neeraj, i cant describe it
[19:51] <ishan> it can only be shown
[19:51] <neeraj> ishan: hmm..
[19:52] <neeraj> ok have u pushed your changes?
[19:52] <mukul> neeraj sir: I did all the steps again
[19:52] <neeraj> if not then please do.
[19:52] <ishan> neeraj, just going to do that
[19:52] <mukul> neeraj, I am getting the same error what Ishan had got the other day
[19:52] <neeraj> mukul: did u faced ny problem?
[19:53] <neeraj> mukul: ok. Can u please send me ur debian folder(zip it) and location to original tarball file?
[19:53] <neeraj> also pastebin ur error message
[19:54] <mukul> http://typewith.me/zBUygVqcI1
[19:55] <mukul> Location to original tarball file : http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt/TurtleArt-93.tar.bz2
[19:59] <kandarpk> neeraj: are you using debian right now ?
[20:00] <neeraj> kandarpk: can win+ubuntu.. should I run my debian vm?
[20:00] <ishan> neeraj, sir i am not able to push
[20:00] <neeraj> debian on* vm
[20:00] <ishan> http://pastebin.com/RPL4H1Ti
[20:00] <kandarpk> neeraj: does it have firefox installed ?
[20:00] <neeraj> kandarpk: no
[20:01] <kandarpk> Ok.
[20:02] <neeraj> ishan: try git push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:02] <ishan> neeraj, sir done
[20:03] <ishan> http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-moon-activity.git;a=summary
[20:04] <ishan> neeraj, if you open the link then you would see all changes that i commited
[20:04] <ishan> so what difference between commit-push commit-push
[20:04] <ishan> and commit-commit......-push
[20:04] <ishan> if it shows the commit message
[20:06] <neeraj> ishan: never used commit-push..? Where did u read about this?
[20:06] <ishan> sir was just giving example
[20:06] <ishan> leave it i will sort it out personally
[20:06] <neeraj> mukul: looking working at ur activity..
[20:06] <ishan> when i meet you
[20:06] <neeraj> ishan: :)
[20:07] <ishan> neeraj, why is git push --all not working
[20:07] <neeraj> ishan: can u try that without master in end?
[20:08] <ishan> okay
[20:09] <neeraj> ishan: also, I am not sure what I knw about git is correct or not.. In case of any confusion related to commands,  I just ask on #git channel :)
[20:10] <neeraj> ishan: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-moon-activity.git;a=commit;h=229d5af1504c7afd0db03ff736057259f430c1e6
[20:11] <neeraj> In ur message u said that u made changes in copyright file, while in actual, your control file is modified.
[20:12] <ishan> neeraj, sir that is one error i commited
[20:12] <ishan> rest all is fine
[20:12] <neeraj> ishan: ok. :)
[20:13] <neeraj> ishan: will review it after sometime. working on mukul's activity. Please remain online
[20:13] <mukul> neeraj sir: Please drop a mail when you review my debian folder
[20:13] <ishan> neeraj, i want going through the above conversation and i saw you talked about line 37 in rules file
[20:14] <mukul> ishan, as you faced the same error i would be obliged if you help too
[20:15] <neeraj> mukul: original tarball folder is of tar.bz2 extension
[20:15] <neeraj> after renaming it, it should be like sugar-turtleart-activity_93.tar.bz2
[20:15] <neeraj> also, inside this tarball file rename the turtle art folder to sugar-turtleart-activity.
[20:16] <mukul> Yes
[20:16] <ishan> neeraj, command not working without master as well
[20:16] <ishan> mukul, just gonna finish up in 10 mins max
[20:17] <neeraj> ishan: then I am not sure why its not working.
[20:17] <ishan> okay
[20:18] <neeraj> ishan: take a 15min break. some work came up. In the mean time can u please helo mukul
[20:18] <mukul> neeraj, so i hv to rename the orig file to tar.bz2 right??
[20:18] <neeraj> mukul: i think you made a mistake while renaming.
[20:19] <mukul> I never renamed anything
[20:19] <mukul> Where was it written in the documentation :(
[20:19] <neeraj> mukul: yes. It should be sugar-turtleart-activity_93.orig.tar.bz2
[20:20] <neeraj> mukul: I am not sure whether its in documentation or not as I never used original tarball before moon activity. I always used to generate this file using git of activity on sugarlabs
[20:21] <neeraj> ishan: can you please help mukul in this. Its same as we did in moon. :)
[20:21] <ishan> neeraj, okay
[20:22] <ishan> mukul, while renaming the extension should be .orig.tar.gz
[20:22] <mukul> ishan, what!!!
[20:22] <mukul> neeraj sir was saying the opposite
[20:23] <ishan> mukul, this will work
[20:23] <ishan> what neeraj sir said will work as well
[20:23] <ishan> but you need to rename folder
[20:23] <mukul> rename which folder
[20:23] <ishan> sorry means the source ball
[20:24] <mukul> folder inside the orig.tar.gz file
[20:24] <mukul> ?
[20:26] <mukul> neeraj sir: The folder inside the tar ball is already sugar-turtleart-activity-93
[20:26] <neeraj> mukul: i downloaded the tarball file from the link which u gave me.
[20:27] <mukul> neeraj sir: ok
[20:27] <neeraj> in that it was't. please re-check. Also I think it should be sugar-turtleart-activity
[20:28] <mukul> Yes sir in that it wasn't
[20:28] <mukul> but I used the command
[20:28] <mukul> so it was renamed
[20:28] <ishan> neeraj, check this http://pastebin.com/XQE8STHp
[20:29] <mukul> ok sir now I have renamed it to orig.tar.bz2
[20:29] <mukul> now what should I do?
[20:29] <neeraj> ishan: we can't do anything about these warning.
[20:29] <ishan> neeraj, i was just refering to first one
[20:29] <neeraj> mukul: u renamed original tarball file right?
[20:30] <neeraj> the one whose download link u gave me
[20:30] <mukul> neeraj, No
[20:30] <mukul> I renamed the orig.tar.bz2 that was generated
[20:30] <neeraj> mukul: u used get-source?
[20:31] <ishan> neeraj, when i have in source folder in debian written 3.9.0(quilt) then why does it still shows 2.9,4
[20:31] <mukul> using the command : git-import-orig --pristine-tar -u ''93'' /home/mukul/TurtleArt-93.tar.bz2
[20:32] <neeraj> ishan: yes. this is bug with lintian which will be removed in later version
[20:32] <neeraj> mukul: follow the steps.
[20:32] <ishan> okay
[20:32] <neeraj> Rename TurtleArt-93 to sugar-turtleart-activity_93.orig.tar.bz2
[20:33] <neeraj> also rename the folder inside it to sugar-turtleart-activity
[20:33] <neeraj> Create a new git repo on ur local machine
[20:33] <neeraj> and copy ur debian folder inside id so that u don't need to make all changes again
[20:34] <neeraj> then use git-import-orig --pristine-tar -u ''93'' /home/mukul/sugar-....
[20:35] <neeraj> after that run DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE=1 fakeroot debian/rules clean
[20:35] <neeraj> and try to build package
[20:37] <ishan> manusheel, sir can i start work on juke-box activity tommorow
[20:38] <ishan> the changes to moon activity have been made
[20:40] <neeraj> ishan: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-moon-activity.git;a=commit;h=d9cd4b2180b00ce535aacf741769eff0ead21c86
[20:40] <neeraj> changes in multiple file and redundant files.
[20:40] <neeraj> Did u ran clean command?
[20:40] <neeraj> mukul:
[20:41] <neeraj> do one thing after renaming it
[20:41] <mukul> neeraj, my ubuntu just crashed
[20:41] <mukul> have just come back
[20:41] <ishan> neeraj, yes i did sir
[20:41] <neeraj> de compress it and then re compress it in tar.gz format
[20:42] <ishan> neeraj, i have to be careful a bit more
[20:42] <ishan> can anything be done
[20:42] <neeraj> mukul: are you getting what I am trying to say?
[20:43] <neeraj> ishan: drop a mail to other members to review it again
[20:43] <ishan> i have already
[20:43] <mukul> sir what do you mean by de compress it and then re compress it in tar.gz
[20:43] <ishan> neeraj, cant anything be done sir
[20:43] <neeraj> ishan: great..
[20:43] <ishan> have a type mistake as well
[20:44] <neeraj> Ishan, no. but its not a big issue.
[20:44] <ishan> okay
[20:44] <neeraj> Just don't repeat these mistakes
[20:44] <ishan> neeraj, definately sir
[20:44] <neeraj> mukul: uncompress the folder somewhere
[20:44] <neeraj> and then compress it again. In tar.gz format
[20:45] <ishan> *me is going to quit
[20:45] <mukul> I had understood this when you meant to rename
[20:45]  * ishan is going to quit
[20:46] <mukul> neeraj  sir : Ultimately tell me tar.gz or tar.bz2
[20:46] <ishan> mukul, tar.gz
[20:46] <neeraj> mukul: try tar.gz
[20:50] <ishan> neeraj, http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/jukebox
[20:55] <mukul> neeraj, won't I run fakeroot debian/rules get-orig-source
[20:56] <neeraj> mukul: no
[20:56] <neeraj> as u already have the source
[20:56] <neeraj> mukul: in ur debian folder
[20:56] <neeraj> change the Depends: filed in control.in file
[20:57] <neeraj> and use Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, ${cdbs:depends}, ${misc:depends}
[20:57] <neeraj> mukul: also, regenerate ur control file.
[20:58] <mukul> I got an error relating to this when I build package
[20:58] <neeraj> mukul: extra dependency one?
[20:58] <mukul> Yes
[20:58] <neeraj> mukul: you were on right path done.
[20:59] <neeraj> mukul: but initial importing is confusing :(.. sometimes it works perfectly
[20:59] <neeraj> s/done/then
[20:59] <neeraj> mukul, change the depends field as I told u
[21:00] <neeraj> and regenerate the control file
[21:00] <neeraj> mukul: also switch to quit 3.0. There should be mention of it on documentation or ask ishan how to switch :)
[21:02] <neeraj> mukul: use this
[21:02] <neeraj> mkdir debian/source ; echo '3.0 (quilt)' > debian/source/format ;
[21:02] <mukul> You are talking about this line right : CDBS_DEPENDS += , python-hippocanvas, python-telepathy, python-gtk2, python-cjson
[21:03] <mukul> neeraj sir: Sorry for the lame question...my mistake :P
[21:04] <neeraj> mukul: np :)
[21:05] <mukul> I have regenerated the control file
[21:06] <mukul> Now what
[21:06] <mukul> I didn't get your point of quit 3.0
[21:06] <neeraj> mukul: also in Control.in replace short description with Sugar Turtle Art Activty
[21:06] <neeraj> mukul, just run this command in ur source dir
[21:06] <neeraj> mkdir debian/source ; echo '3.0 (quilt)' > debian/source/format ;
[21:09] <mukul> http://typewith.me/H8j8uW8bg4
[21:10] <mukul> neeraj, I made a small mess of the command.Is it ok now?
[21:10] <mukul> Or should I first delete the source folder in debian and then run the command again
[21:11] <neeraj> mukul, rename forma to format in source
[21:11] <neeraj> debian/source
[21:11] <mukul> I deleted the folder of source only
[21:11] <mukul> I will run the command again
[21:11] <neeraj> ok
[21:12] <mukul> neeraj, done now
[21:12] <mukul> ?
[21:13] <neeraj> mukul: try to build the package and check whether its working or not
[21:13] <neeraj> try debuild command only
[21:13] <neeraj> mukul: btw, I have tried and tested it and its working.
[21:14] <mukul> neeraj : And I have just confirmed it :)
[21:14] <neeraj> manusheel sir, turtle is working on lucid. Mukul, please ask ishan to help u out on copyright
[21:14] <neeraj> mukul: basically u have to include copyright of almost all py files inside ur source directory
[21:14] <mukul> How do I check whether it is working or not?
[21:15] <mukul> neeraj, Ok
[21:15] <neeraj> mukul: by installing the deb file :)
[21:18] <mukul> neeraj : thanks a lot for your help.I must say you really have a lot of patience
[21:19] <neeraj> mukul: np :). So do u :)
[21:20] <mukul> I was just seeing the copyright file
[21:21] <mukul> Is it that we have to see every .py file and see who's copyright is present there
[21:21] <manusheel> neeraj: Great.
[21:21] <mukul> and then manually add those in the debian/copyright
[21:21] <manusheel> How about Maverick?
[21:21] <manusheel> neeraj: Is it working on Ubuntu 10.10?
[21:22] <neeraj> mukul: u r running lucid or maverick?
[21:22] <mukul> Lucid
[21:22] <neeraj> manusheel sir, will let u knw after testing it on maverick also :)
[21:22] <mukul> I updated yesterday...Is there a chance of an upgrade >
[21:23] <manusheel> neeraj: Yes, that is indeed very important.
[21:23] <neeraj> mukul: yes, u can take help of copyright hints file
[21:23] <mukul> But copyright hints file is blank
[21:24] <mukul> neeraj, the package installed successfully throught the .deb file but how do I run it?
[21:24] <mukul> and check whether it is working perfectly
[21:25] <neeraj> mukul: :)


[12:09] <Hieronymus> Maybe I should just contact Canonical
[12:10] <adamant1988> Hrmmm hold on.
[12:10] <adamant1988> Link me to the site.
[12:11] <Hieronymus> http://www.ziosys.com
[12:11] <Hieronymus> It's a long story, it's run by a 19 year old kid who's actively scamming people
[12:11] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: I've read about that.
[12:12] <Hieronymus> I'm one of the 'internet sleuths' that's been investigating him on the gideontech.com forums
[12:12] <adamant1988> Uh huh
[12:13] <Hieronymus> All this Ubuntu stuff he's posted went up today, or at least the bulk of it, the content is directly copied and the images hotlinked
[12:13] <adamant1988> Well, I think the best course of action would be to post a well thought out article on the UbuntuForums warning people not to buy.
[12:14] <adamant1988> include links to the gideontech thread.   Also, you may want to alert Canonical, but I kind of doubt they'll do much.
[12:14] <Hieronymus> I'd considered that but one has to be careful, he's shown a proficiency at threatening legal action
[12:16] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: the operative word there being "threatening"
[12:16] <adamant1988> a threat is just that, a threat.
[12:16] <Hieronymus> Yes, I don't take it seriously, he's defrauding customers, it's not like he has much ground to stand on
[12:17] <adamant1988> I get the feeling that a cash-strapped, mentally unstable 19 year old isn't going to make good on that threat.
[12:17] <tsmithe> scamming? defrauding? how?
[12:17] <tsmithe> site doesn't look tooo bad
[12:17] <Hieronymus> He's 'sold' at least a couple systems and then failed to deliver
[12:17] <tsmithe> oh
[12:18] <tsmithe> how can he threaten legal action then?!
[12:18] <Hieronymus> We're also investigating several other potential frauds, one or more in excess of ten grand
[12:18] <tsmithe> stupid ruddy capitalism again
[12:18] <adamant1988> tsmithe: That's part of the issue, his site is well designed... I kind of wish he were a legit vendor.
[12:18] <Hieronymus> He's a piece of work, the thread on gideontech.com is soon to be internet history
[12:18] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: "My marketing efforts will dominate your face".
[12:19] <Hieronymus> Dig a little deeper and you'll start finding the problems, he's put a good face on it but there's a good bit of problem beneath
[12:19] <Hieronymus> Yes, "My marketing efforts will dominate your face" is soon to be the new "all your base..."
[12:19] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: I think it's worth the time to post a well laid out warning post on the Ubuntu forums
[12:20] <Hieronymus> Agreed, I've not registered for the forums yet but will do and get something posted
[12:20] <adamant1988> Although most Ubuntu users are also Digg users and will have already seen this, it's best not to assume anything when dealing with fraud.
[12:20] <Hieronymus> I got into it from the Digg originally, it's become more addictive than Lost at this point
[12:25] <beuno> Hieronymus: why not try contacting canonical about it?
[12:26] <Hieronymus> Beuno, that's what I'm hoping to do, still looking for a way to do so
[12:26] <beuno> Hieronymus<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:27] <Hieronymus> Yes, that looks like the only point of contact right now
[12:28] <beuno> Hieronymus: give it a try, if you don't get any response ping me again and we'll get it through somehow
[12:29] <Hieronymus> Okay, will do, it's obviously late evening in the UK so probably no answer until tomorrow at the earliest
[12:29] <Madpilot> Wow, there's something badly wrong with that ziosys website - everytime I hover over the dropdown menus, the whole site reformats itself... wtf?
[12:30] <beuno> Hieronymus: don't be surprised if it takes a few days
[12:30] <Hieronymus> Told you, it's a trainwreck
[12:30] <Hieronymus> Notice as well that he's not got his SSL configured correctly, he's taking orders over the phone instead
[12:31] <beuno> Madpilot: must be your resolution, I can hover fine
[12:31] <Madpilot> beuno, might also be some screwy piece of code that Opera doesn't like
[12:31] <beuno> aaah, opera
[12:31] <beuno> yes
[12:31] <beuno> could be
[12:31] <Hieronymus> Ah, that's right, it's not set for Opera
[12:32] <Hieronymus> It's a commercially available Joomla template that he's boosted without crediting the author
[12:32] <Hieronymus> Much like most of what he's put on the site
[12:32] <Madpilot> Hieronymus, this keeps getting better and better... :|
[12:32] <Hieronymus> Oh, you want entertainment, head over to gideontech.com and read all about it in the thread
[12:33] <Hieronymus> You'll need at least four to six hours to read it all, we up to page 360 right now
[12:33] <Madpilot> damn
[12:33] <Hieronymus> The kid is batsh*t insane
[12:34] <Hieronymus> The shame of it is that he's still at it, and likely defrauding more and more people as he goes along
[12:34] <Madpilot> link us directly to the forum thread? gid is a big site, w/ big forums...
[12:34] <Hieronymus> Okay, hold on a sec
[12:35] <Hieronymus> http://forums.gideontech.com/index.php/topic,34476.0.html
[12:35] <Hieronymus> You'll want to read page 4, that alone will get you hooked
[12:35] <Hieronymus> "My marketing efforts will dominate your face"
[12:35] <tsmithe> oh god this thread is hilarious
[12:36] <tsmithe> i've just got to My marketing efforts
[12:36] <tsmithe> hahahaahaa
[12:36] <tsmithe> we need this in the topic!
[12:36] <adamant1988> tsmithe: Yeah, it's pretty funny.
[12:36] <tsmithe> jenda, now!
[12:36] <tsmithe> pah he's asleep
[12:36] <tsmithe> ops?
[12:36] <tsmithe> Madpilot, ?
[12:37] <Madpilot> tsmithe, hmm?
[12:37] <tsmithe> we need "My marketing efforts will dominate your face" in the topic
[12:37] <Hieronymus> It's the new 'all your base are belong to us', you can even get it on t-shirts at cafe press
[12:37] <tsmithe> haha
[12:38] <Hieronymus> Now if only we can get Canonical to replace some of the images he's hotlinking from ubuntu.com with goatse and tubgirl, it will be just like the old days...
[12:39] <tsmithe> haha
[12:40] <Hieronymus> I need to find someone who's a longtime member of the Ubuntu forums to put up a post for me, warning about Zio Systems
[12:40] <beuno> jenda is a good candidate for that
[12:40] <Hieronymus> I worry that registering and having it as my first post is going to look a little fishy
[12:40] <Madpilot> "Loonier than a bag of Canadian dollars."... hehe
[12:41] <Hieronymus> Not that I shouldn't register, I've been using Ubuntu for a year now
[12:42] <Hieronymus> You'll start to hate me for linking you to it be around page 200
[12:43] <Madpilot> "Of course Zio refuses to be constrained by the republofascist conspiracy of the Earth hour, and uses Venus hours instead. So, July 2008."... oh boy.
[12:44] <Hieronymus> It's internet history in the making I tell you
[12:46] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: Don't worry about it.  Just post the thread, you've done the research so you can make a detailed thread
[12:46] <Hieronymus> Okay, I'll work something up tonight and try to get it posted, if not it will be tomorrow
[12:47] <Hieronymus> And can someone tell me why this nutter insisted on using 'uBuntu' instead of 'Ubuntu'?
[12:48] <Hieronymus> Was the 'B' capitalized at some point?
[12:49] <adamant1988> nope.
[12:50] <Hieronymus> I didn't think so
[12:56] <Hieronymus> I just asked Brad why he spelled it that way
[12:57] <tsmithe> you can talk to him?
[12:59] <Hieronymus> Via AIM
[12:59] <Hieronymus> ZioHelp on AIM
[12:59] <Hieronymus> He likes to pretend it's not him but it is
[01:01] <Madpilot> Hieronymus, you are a bastard, I need to go run shopping errands but that GTF thread has sucked me in... ;)
[01:01] <Hieronymus> He won't come on the gideontech forum anymore, he gets hammered when he does
[01:01] <Hieronymus> Told you you'd hate me
[01:01] <Hieronymus> It's more addictive than Lost
[01:02] <Madpilot> there
[01:02] <Hieronymus> I'm just waiting to talk to Gideon about posting a warning on the Ubuntu forums, could lead to a good deal of traffic and I want to make sure he's aware of it beforehand
[01:03] <Hieronymus> That said, he did weather the Digg well enough
[01:04] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: It wouldn't be anymore than Digg got him
[01:04] <adamant1988> UbuntuForums are a much smaller place than Digg
[01:05] <Hieronymus> Well I'll still give him advance warning that's only fair
[01:05] <tsmithe> seriously, i'm addicted as well
[01:05] <tsmithe> and woot topic!
[01:05] <Hieronymus> And it will give him time to get his adsense in order
[01:05] <tsmithe> christ i'm tired
[01:39] <Hieronymus> Okay, email sent to webmaster@ ubuntu.com and canonical.com
[02:41] <Madpilot> right, there's two hours wasted on the Zio-saga. Enough. Need food and a shopping trip.
[02:50] <adamant1988> Madpilot: LOL
[02:50] <adamant1988> I went through that thread when it was still -50 pages.
[02:50] <adamant1988> I'm too scared to go back now
[08:25] <jenda> What did I miss?
[08:25] <jenda> Everyone check the front page of the forums _NOW_
[08:34] <poningru> hmm?
[08:36] <pwnguin> indeed
[08:36] <pwnguin> what should i be looking at?
[08:38] <jenda> poningru, pwnguin, look for the word "Weekly"
[08:39] <poningru> oh cool
[08:39] <poningru> meh
[08:39] <poningru> is that dynamic?
[08:39] <jenda> the link to the wiki is temporary
[08:39] <poningru> or will it always be there?
[08:39] <jenda> there will be a subforum where each UWN will have it's own thread with comments underneath
[08:40] <jenda> but yes, that spot is permanent
[08:40] <jenda> (as permanent as can be, in the shifting sands of the internet :))
[10:38] <tsmithe> CDs damnit
[10:38] <tsmithe> i will kill the guy the invented "CD's"
[10:38] <tsmithe> RARGH!!!!!
[10:38] <tsmithe> *that invented
[10:54] <jenda> tsmithe: *who
[10:54] <jenda> Hey, Mike_F
[10:54] <jenda> Didya get me mail?
[10:54] <tsmithe> jenda, what?
[10:56] <jenda> tsmithe: not 'the', not 'that', but 'who' :)
[10:56] <jenda> if you want it to be english, that is ;)
[10:56] <tsmithe> nuthin' wrong with "that"
[11:03] <Mike_F> jenda: yes, i want ten posters
[11:19] <jenda> Mike_F: coolio
[11:20] <jenda> Mike_F: you should find all the source files on diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu
[12:06] <Mike_F> jenda:ping
[12:06] <jenda> Mike_F: pong
[12:06] <jenda> juliux: ping
[12:06] <juliux> jenda, pong
[12:06] <jenda> |       .    |
[12:07] <jenda> | .          |
[12:07] <jenda> :)
[12:07] <juliux> |     .|
[12:07] <juliux> yeah;9
[12:07] <Mike_F> just woke up again, i thought it was later before
[12:07] <jenda> juliux: it seems most of the books were cancelled, because they miscalculated the shipping
[12:08] <juliux> jenda, hehe and now?
[12:08] <jenda> ...so it is quite probably that none will come at all
[12:08] <jenda> and if they do, I have no idea how many :-D
[12:08] <juliux> omg
[12:09] <jenda> so we'll just have to see, and if they come, I'll go fetch them.
[12:09] <jenda> hehe
[12:09] <jenda> :)
[12:09] <jenda> We'll find a way sooner or later - we're just some 50 away from each other ;)
[12:10] <jenda> :-D
[12:10] <Mike_F> jenda: may i reproduce any of the things in that folder ?
[12:10] <jenda> Mike_F: of course, you're very welcome to :)
[12:10] <jenda> all GPL, GFDL or CC
[12:11] <jenda> Use common sense when attributing - the artwork is the work of Hannes Pasqualini.
[12:11] <Mike_F> okay: just want people to know about ubuntu
[12:12] <jenda> Yep :)
[12:12] <jenda> That's the entire purpose of the marketing team ;)
[12:12] <jenda> BTW, I have about 70 of the posters left
[12:12] <Mike_F> Okay, i sent you a mail message
[12:13] <Mike_F> i need to get some money into my paypal account
[12:13] <Mike_F> i think it's zeroed out
[12:13] <jenda> alrighty
[12:14] <Mike_F> also i like the poster the road image is like my OnA1A logo
[12:14] <juliux> jenda, are you going to uds?
[12:14] <Mike_F> uds?
[12:14] <jenda> juliux: depends on the
[12:14] <jenda> :)
[12:14] <jenda> Mike_F: Ubuntu Developer Summit
[12:15] <Mike_F> oh, wrong conversation
[12:15] <juliux> jenda, i will not go to uds, i didn't get a sponsorship
[12:15] <tsmithe> i would have done :'9
[12:15] <tsmithe> *(
[12:15] <Mike_F> it's still early here in Florida
[12:17] <jenda> juliux: you were told it was refused?
[12:17] <jenda> juliux: or just didn't get it _yet_?
[12:17] <juliux> jenda, richard weidmann talked with mark this week and mark said no :8
[12:18] <jenda> ouch
[12:18] <juliux> mark said he has to make a line and so no more sponsorships
[12:18] <jenda> I didn't get a chance to apply for it yet... do you have any tips where to start/ask?
[12:18] <juliux> no idea
[12:18] <juliux> i get it via the edubuntu way
[12:18] <jenda> argh
[12:20] <Mike_F> are any plans for anything like UDS on the east coast of the US
[12:20] <Mike_F> Like in Orlando Fla ?
[12:20] <jenda> Mike_F: the next one is in Boston
[12:20] <Mike_F> when 2008?
[12:20] <jenda> should be late 2007
[12:20] <jenda> there are two a year
[12:20] <Mike_F> the weather is horriable there in the winter
[12:21] <juliux> Mike_F, 28th ocotober starts uds in boston
[12:22] <Mike_F> falls noy bad, i hate the red sox
[12:22] <juliux> lol
[12:23] <juliux> cu later
[12:26] <Mike_F> jenda: i can setup a mirror folder it thats okay
[12:27] <jenda> Mike_F: you're free to do so
[12:27] <jenda> Not sure if it's needed... but you can, if you want to
[12:28] <Mike_F> okay
[03:31] <charl_ie> hi
[03:32] <charl_ie> i don't know if anyone remembers the ideas pitched in the mailing list on march 20th about a sort of "Ubuntu Upgrade Adviser", but i wondered if anyone was interested in taking it further
[03:38] <jenda> hello
[03:38] <jenda> tsmithe++ @ LiveCDs ;)
[03:56] <MenZa> jenda: :D
[03:56] <jenda> hmm? :)
[03:56] <MenZa> hihi
[04:51] <poningru> can someone write on the w.u.c/FeistyFawn/RC about OEM and get all the screenshots?
[07:47] <tsmithe> jenda, you around?
[07:48] <tsmithe> meh
[07:48] <tsmithe> i need someone who knows about the old "Spread Ubuntu"...
[07:49] <tsmithe> well; anyway: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-April/004063.html
[07:49] <tsmithe> do people know about this?
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> tsmithe: First I've heard of the uk one
[07:51] <tsmithe> well, it's a bit odd...
[07:51] <tsmithe> i kinda think it wants collaboration with this team
[08:01] <adamant1988> tsmithe: I was around while they were working on it
[08:01] <tsmithe> on what?
[08:01] <tsmithe> spreadubuntu.co.uk ?
[08:02] <adamant1988> just spreadUbuntu in general
[08:03] <tsmithe> yes... but that's not what that is
[08:03] <tsmithe> or is it?
[08:03] <tsmithe> that's what i wanna know
[08:04] <tsmithe> as i said,  it wants collaboration with the original purveyors of the idea
[08:55] <somerville32> Moo
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> Baa
[08:56] <tsmithe> hiya somerville32 - you out of hospital yet?
[08:57] <somerville32> Nope.
[08:58] <somerville32> I'm getting discharged tomorrow though.
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> what happened?
[08:59] <somerville32> I got admitted to the hospital Febuary 8th
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> for?
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> (If you care to share)
[09:00] <tsmithe> feb 8th ... that's my birthday.  how sad... :'(
[09:00] <juliux> somerville32, all the best from me
[09:00] <somerville32> Thanks! :)
[09:01] <somerville32> I'm getting out tomorrow
[09:01] <tsmithe> great!
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> :)
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> I feel bad about not doing anything on UWN lately - but the 'rents got me into a 45-hour per week job :(
[09:05] <somerville32> Ouch.
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> On the plus side though, I get a 50% discount on a new bicycle, so I'm gonna buy a really expensive one and make the most of it
[09:06] <somerville32> lol
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> (Well, really I'm just going to spend the same amount of money I was thinking about before I got the job, and just get twice the bike)

[09:07] <MitchM> what type of bike tonyyarusso ?
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> MitchM: Specialized Roubaix - http://www.specialized.com/, Select a country (USA actually gives prices) > Road bikes > Roubaix to see 'em
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> Or at least that seems best so far
[09:11] <MitchM> Why not one of these? http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/sport/model.asp?ModelName=CBR600F4i&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=CBR600F46
[09:11] <MitchM> :)
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> MitchM: Uh, b/c it has a motor, and is therefore not the idea here
[09:13] <MitchM> ah. but of course...
[09:13] <MitchM> looks like a nice set of bikes though tonyyarusso -- I've been looking around myself
[09:14] <MitchM> thanks for the link :)
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> np :)
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> If you live in the Twin Cities, Minnesota or Madison, WI, eriksbikeshop.com for a dealer
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: Say, do you have any of those polos in a medium?
[11:08] <jenda> tsmithe: I am not, no.
[11:09] <tsmithe> well...