[00:00] <bluefoxx> but im upgrading to a 6800512 or a mid to high end 7series in pce-e soon.
[00:01] <bluefoxx> GAH! i hate when that happens...
[00:01] <bluefoxx> the howl of a fast-headcrab-zombie never ceases to make my skin crawl...
[00:02] <mtrx> if i download ubuntu 8.04 beta now will it automatically update when the official version is released?
[00:02] <Arand> mtrx yep
[00:03] <Arand> I'ts updated constantly
[00:03] <fritzel> is there a package of additional widgits for kde4 available by some name? or am I a bit early for that yet?  (if this is a duplicate question sorry I got disconnected after asking it the first time)
[00:03] <b4l74z4r> the thing is that video is perfect when i use totem, and also in most games, but things like youtube videos has horizontal tearing which is quite annoying
[00:04] <Arand> flash issues?
[00:04] <b4l74z4r> no, it also happens when i move desktopå windows around fast
[00:04] <bluefoxx> someone remind me again - what is 'antialiasing'?
[00:05] <b4l74z4r> it's to make objects in games appear less jagged at the edges
[00:05] <Fritzel> I'm not sure of the technicals but basically it blends pixels to allow lines that don't go directly up and down or left and right appear smoother
[00:05] <bluefoxx> ah. so if im lagging do i want it or not?
[00:06] <b4l74z4r> it requires some computing power
[00:06] <Fritzel> yeah that can contribute to video lag
[00:06] <b4l74z4r> more than if you have it off
[00:06] <bluefoxx> ok. thanks. away it goes then :)
[00:07] <bluefoxx> what about 'wait for vertical sync'?<hasnt played video games since november>
[00:07] <b4l74z4r> if you have an lcd, vertical sync can eliminate horizontal tearing in the picture
[00:07] <billisnice> how do you change the computer default monitor ie-a panosonic c21 to c35?
[00:08] <Boohbah> billisnice: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:08] <Fritzel> vertical sync you'll want on since turning it off doesn't actually improve your framerate since true framerate is limited to your refresh rate anyway, it probably won't make avisible difference, but can eliminate some tearing
[00:08] <Fritzel> I'm not sure how it applies to LCD's however
[00:09] <bluefoxx> ravenholm: not a level for the weak of stomach or to be played any later than sunset. or when your alone in the apartment and the dishes fall over >. >
[00:09] <b4l74z4r> i thing you get more than enough fps even if you have vsync on an you won't get that terrible tearing effect
[00:10] <Fritzel> yeah like I said even if you have 100000 fps, you're still only drawing to the screen at 60-85 times a second anyway
[00:10] <bluefoxx> kk
[00:10] <bluefoxx> well, im getting 10fps in most of my WINE games
[00:11] <Fritzel> this is going to sound silly, but ubuntu never performs at full quality for me until after it's run for a whiel and I've restarted X
[00:11] <Fritzel> after freshly configuring it that is
[00:11] <b4l74z4r> bluefoxx, you need a better graphics card, no setting in the world will help much if you're down to 10fps
[00:12] <Fritzel> well it depends, configuration can do that
[00:12] <bluefoxx> b4l74z4r: well im not waiting 3 seconds for a screen refresh now after taking of antialiasing'
[00:12] <Fritzel> does "glxinfo |grep direct" give you a yes?
[00:12] <Fritzel> just out of curiosity
[00:13] <bluefoxx> me?
[00:13] <Fritzel> yes
[00:13] <bluefoxx> yes
[00:13] <bluefoxx> y?
[00:14] <Fritzel> ok just making sure that your video drivers were running correctly
[00:15] <mtrx> where do i download ubuntu 8.04 beta?
[00:15] <b4l74z4r> ubuntu homepage
[00:15] <mtrx> all i can find is 7.10
[00:15] <b4l74z4r> google ubuntu 8.04
[00:16] <Fritzel> is there a package of additional widgits for kde4 available by some name? or am I a bit early for that yet?
[00:16] <mtrx> nvm
[00:16] <bluefoxx> ah. yup, nvidia-glx-new; updated today by command line. one of the reasons i want to upgrade to a 6800 or mid grade 7000 is so i dont have to worry about issues redoing configurations or changing drivers. i also want ones that are well developed
[00:16] <b4l74z4r> it should appear on the first few hits
[00:16] <billisnice> boohbah is there a graphic way of doing it in 8.04?  I set it up by mistake graphically. thanks
[00:17] <bluefoxx> does anyone else love the physics engine in the half life family as much as me?
[00:17] <b4l74z4r> when a new driver is released, will it show up in ubuntu's update manager?
[00:18] <Fritzel> I really need to get Halflife 2 just so I can mess with garry's mod
[00:18] <Fritzel> b4l74z4r: everything thats supported will show up there so it depends on the driver
[00:18] <hewhocutsdown> been trying to get help on this issue for a couple days now....no responses to irc last time i tried and none on Ubuntu Forums as yet....so trying again.
[00:18] <hewhocutsdown> anyone able to help me with a USB drive that will not automount
[00:19] <hewhocutsdown> 1 have two, both worked under gutsy, only one works under hardy
[00:19] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: if you dont mind a slow connection...i have a copy to give you :)
[00:19] <hewhocutsdown> full details with logs from dmesg and lsusb, picture of drive in gparted here:
[00:19] <hewhocutsdown> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4656973#post4656973
[00:19] <Fritzel> hewhocutsdown: I've never had an issue with it, so unfortnatly I can't help you there
[00:19] <Fritzel> bluefoxx: thanks but no thanks ^^ that game's worth the money
[00:20] <bluefoxx> but it 'looses the connection to steam servers' every now and then, forcing me to pull my save folder and re-extract
[00:20] <hewhocutsdown> my only guess is that it's the size of the drive: ~2TB. But as you can see in my gparted snapshot, it recognizes it there
[00:20] <hewhocutsdown> it's presence, but doesn't recognize it's ext3 formatting
[00:20] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: dont worry about it. i got it free ;)
[00:20] <hewhocutsdown> which is probably why it will not automount.
[00:21] <Fritzel> bluefoxx: again I'll pass thank oyu 6^
[00:21] <Fritzel> ^^
[00:21] <hewhocutsdown> but as mentioned; it has worked perfectly under gutsy, which has me scratching my head a bit
[00:21] <Exilant> woah, 2 TB
[00:21] <b4l74z4r> i've been trying for years to get agreeable fonts in firefox running ubuntu and i've given up, so now i run firefox in wine just to get decent fonts on web pages
[00:22] <Fritzel> I don't mind the fonts on hardy, though I'm not sure if they're new or not, just takes a bit of getting used to
[00:22] <Boohbah> bluefoxx: Fritzel: #ubuntu+1 is the new games piracy channel?
[00:22]  * Fritzel shrugs
[00:22] <hewhocutsdown> it's an external enclosure that supports up to 4 drives and does something like a RAID-5 setup there...so I've got 3 x 1TB drives in there.
[00:22] <bluefoxx> Boohbah: >P
[00:23] <Exilant> isn't usb a kind of bottleneck then?
[00:23] <hewhocutsdown> I do a lot of work with music....lossless, multichannel stuff takes space :P
[00:23] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: is it listed in /dev?
[00:23] <bluefoxx> Boohbah: im poor with a bad net connection, i have a friend who gives me .rars of his install folders XP i dont complain if its free, nor do i wuestion it XD
[00:23] <hewhocutsdown> yup
[00:23] <hewhocutsdown> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4656973#post4656973
[00:23] <hewhocutsdown> got a screenshot of it here
[00:23] <Exilant> my external hd mounts just fine in kde (ext3 luks-encrypted)
[00:24] <Fritzel> bluefoxx: it's probably best if you walk away from the subject ;)
[00:24] <hewhocutsdown> as mentioned, i've got 2 (well, 3) external USB drives, but the other two are 80GB and work no problems
[00:24] <hewhocutsdown> just this one doesn't
[00:24] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, how much were each of the 1tb drives? I just did a raid5 myself, but it's only 4x500gb (1.5tb raid)
[00:24] <hewhocutsdown> /dev/sdc, unknown format
[00:24] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: what subject ;)
[00:24] <bluefoxx> hewhocutsdown: how much did that toy set you back?
[00:25] <hewhocutsdown> it's not true RAID, it's a propriety deal (it's a Drobo, Data Robotics)...can handle hot-swapping, differing hard drive sizes and types
[00:25]  * teamcobra makes rap beats, personally :)
[00:25] <teamcobra> ahh, pretty sweet
[00:25] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: did you remove it without unmounting ?
[00:26] <hewhocutsdown> it has stayed attached all through the upgrade, through the reboot, and has not mounted since
[00:26] <bluefoxx> i have a raid toy myself even[raid 5] but due to a lack of $$ for drives its only 12gb[3x6.4]. got it $20 though :)
[00:26] <hewhocutsdown> newegg has them for just under $500
[00:26] <hewhocutsdown> for the enclosure
[00:26] <bluefoxx> ouch!
[00:26] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: steam works killer in wine, I have hl2+css myself
[00:27] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: i just had to grab the tahoma.ttf
[00:27] <teamcobra> yup.... it'll do it automatically if you install the msttcorefonts package
[00:27] <hewhocutsdown> brb, gotta stir the soup.... so yeah, any thoughts on what to look at trouble-shooting wise?
[00:28] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: all i did was dragged the file itself into the fonts folder
[00:28] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: have you tried to mount it manually - tho I doubt that will work as it seems the filesystem on it is borked
[00:28] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: i didnt know there was a pacage i could use
[00:28] <teamcobra> I'm probably gonna build a clone of my server (AM2+ Phenom 780g mobo) for a dual-boot gaming box, the integrated graphics on the 780g mobos _pwn_ (31337 fps in glxgears, no kidding ;) ;) )
[00:29] <teamcobra> blue: yup, it'll install lots of other fonts that windows apps might use, should save you headaches in the future
[00:29] <hewhocutsdown> i would, but i'm honestly not sure what command to use for it
[00:29] <hewhocutsdown> i mean, the device would be /dev/sdc
[00:29] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, to mount it, wouldn't a sudo mount /dev/md0 (or whatever raid device is set up in linux) work
[00:29] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: make a dir to mount it in  sudo mkdir /media/something
[00:30] <hewhocutsdown> i don't need any arcane switches for it?
[00:30] <hewhocutsdown> alright, i'll try that
[00:30] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown: wait
[00:30] <teamcobra> I think I know what the prob is... or at least a way to get it to work
[00:30] <hewhocutsdown> ok
[00:30] <hewhocutsdown> :) i'm listening
[00:30] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: then sudo mount -t /dev/sdc1 /media/something
[00:31] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc1 /media/something
[00:31] <teamcobra> it'll probably work better to add all of your /dev/sd drives in the raid as a raid device
[00:31] <teamcobra> (ignore the proprietary raid controller in your enclosure, and use a software raid in ubuntu)
[00:31] <hewhocutsdown> holy ****, that worked
[00:32] <teamcobra> then it should be a /dev/md device (normally /dev/md0 ) that contains all of the /dev/sd drives in it
[00:32] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: so you've got it?
[00:32] <hewhocutsdown> yeah, it loaded up
[00:32] <hewhocutsdown> i'm just taking a look at it now
[00:33] <hewhocutsdown> everything seems good; thank you very much: teamcobra, ere4si, whoever i missed
[00:33]  * DanaG can't use Wine... it doesn't play well with PulseAudio.
[00:33] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, ahh cool.... if ere4si's command works, add it to your /etc/fstab so you don't have to manually mount it from now on
[00:33] <Fritzel> I have no problem with wine at all in fact my audio experience is much much improved
[00:33] <teamcobra> DanaG: does padsp wine or esddsp wine work?
[00:33]  * bluefoxx waits for hl2 to finish extracting...*again*
[00:33] <DanaG> I think so, but it likely won't give surround.
[00:34] <individual_elev> hello how can i delete files in my sansa e250
[00:34] <teamcobra> DanaG: to be honest, I use the wineasio dll and jackd for all of my wine stuff
[00:34] <individual_elev> it has been locked in the trash
[00:34] <trent1980> anyone have any advice for trying to get Firefox flash movies to play through USB device. I set my USB headset as default for all sounds ... skype and others work well but Firefox always plays sounds through the laptop speakers ... help?
[00:34] <teamcobra> DanaG: and it works for traktor and such in pulseaudio... haven't checked surround on it, but it does work nicely
[00:34] <individual_elev> and i cannot add new songs coz it says the device is full
[00:35] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: delete ./trash-<host> and hope you dont get mugged...
[00:35] <teamcobra> individual_elev, try a sudo nautilus and browse to it
[00:35] <DanaG> wineasio?  hmm.
[00:35] <hewhocutsdown> um, last question teamcobra
[00:35] <teamcobra> and as bluefoxx said, hope you don't get mugged (might be a good idea to back up your songs)
[00:35]  * bluefoxx got violantly mugged for his sansa e260 after 6 months of saving
[00:35] <hewhocutsdown> /etc/fstab has a different format than the command
[00:35] <teamcobra> bluefoxx, ACK!
[00:35] <individual_elev>  i already tried to reset to the factory settings but its still there
[00:35] <hewhocutsdown> fs, mount point, type i know
[00:35] <teamcobra> hewho: yup, 1 sec, lemme write up a quick line for ya
[00:36] <hewhocutsdown> but it's followed by options dump pass
[00:36] <hewhocutsdown> ok, cool
[00:36]  * bluefoxx wishes he had 6 grenades to shove down the throats of 6 cowardly...
[00:36]  * DanaG uses a Cowon iAudio6.
[00:36] <DanaG> Nobody seems to know what it is.
[00:36] <teamcobra> DanaG: shouldn't matter as long as it works in jack, 1 sec, lemme find some wineasio info
[00:37] <DanaG> I've never used jack, myself.
[00:37] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: you should put rockbox on yours[if its a v1]
[00:37] <teamcobra> and hewhocutsdown , under options, type "default" , and dump and pass should have a 0 under each
[00:37] <teamcobra> DanaG: qjackctl is a godsend ;)
[00:37] <individual_elev> i tried to delete the trash but it says error "I/O error
[00:37] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: rockbox is the 5h17!
[00:37] <individual_elev> while deleting
[00:37] <DanaG> In addition, Creative's "Host OpenAL" thingy doesn't work under Wine.
[00:37] <DanaG> Even the software-emulation mode.
[00:38] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: check its pluggwed in
[00:38] <individual_elev> im not using rockbox
[00:38] <individual_elev> its plugged in
[00:38] <hewhocutsdown> default or defaults? a working entry in my /etc/fstab says defaults (plural)
[00:38] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: and try using the command line 9"rm /media/disk/.trash-<your computer hostname>"
[00:38] <hewhocutsdown> /dev/sdc1 /media/Jrobo ext3 defaults 0 0
[00:39] <individual_elev> ok ill try
[00:39] <hewhocutsdown> looks good as long as i'm correct on the plural defaults :)
[00:39] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: the 9 was supposed to be a "("
[00:39] <teamcobra> yup
[00:39] <teamcobra> defaults is plural :)
[00:39] <teamcobra> and DanaG: http://www.davehayes.org/2007/04/27/howto-reaper-on-ubuntu-linux-with-wineasio
[00:39] <hewhocutsdown> excellent, i'll duck out of here and reboot. peace to you and yours
[00:40] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, come back and let me know how it goes ;)
[00:40] <hewhocutsdown> will do
[00:40] <DanaG> dana@GLaDOS:~/.wine/drive_c$ wine Program\ Files/Steam/Steam.exe
[00:40] <DanaG> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\Program.exe": Module not found
[00:40] <DanaG> heh.
[00:40] <teamcobra> heheh
[00:40] <Gilou> put quotes around it
[00:40] <teamcobra> don't you need to enclose that in quotes?
[00:40] <teamcobra> yea
[00:40] <individual_elev> nope it didnt work bluefoxx
[00:41] <DanaG> Still broken even with quotes.
[00:41] <Gilou> same error?
[00:41] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: open the device in nautilus and hit ctrl+l
[00:41] <DanaG> yup.
[00:41] <bluefoxx> ctrl+h
[00:41] <Gilou> wine "C:\Program Files\Steam\Steam.exe"
[00:41] <Gilou> ?
[00:42] <DanaG> wine "c:\Program Files/Steam/Steam.exe"
[00:42] <DanaG> wine: cannot find 'c:\Program'
[00:42] <teamcobra> DanaG: I know it's not a perm answer, but what happens if you cd .wine/devices/drive_c/Pro*/Steam/ and then run wine Steam.exe
[00:42] <Gilou> put \
[00:42] <Gilou> instead of / ?
[00:42] <DanaG> cd worked.
[00:42] <Gilou> (it's weird, wine usually isn't too bitchy about that)
[00:43] <DanaG> Changing slashes didn't.
[00:43] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: what is the folder path with the word 'trash' in it?
[00:43] <DanaG> Hmm, "Updating Steam"
[00:43] <teamcobra> DanaG: I'll check the syntax of my working wine apps that are under program files
[00:43] <teamcobra> DanaG: good stuff
[00:44] <DanaG> Not using much bandwidth, though -- it seems to not be doing anything.
[00:44] <DanaG> Oh, I see.
[00:44] <trent1980> anyone?? help getting firefox to play flash through the default device?
[00:44] <DanaG> I had made wine a wrapper around 'padsp wine'
[00:44] <individual_elev> its inside the player files,everytime i unmount it,it says delete trash,however i cannot delete it..
[00:44] <DanaG> exec padsp wine.distrib $@
[00:45] <DanaG> Shouldn't that pass all args?
[00:45] <teamcobra> DanaG: hrm, should
[00:45] <RAOF> DanaG: Yes, it'll pass all args.  But I think you'll find that it'll strip the quoting from them :)
[00:45] <individual_elev> theres trash i mean..i dont know which is it,my computer''s trash is already empty
[00:45] <DanaG> Aah, so that'd be it.
[00:45] <DanaG> Is there a way to make it keep quotes?
[00:46] <DanaG> Just "$@" doesn't seem right.
[00:46] <RAOF> I'm not sure.
[00:46] <individual_elev> but evrytime i plug it in the trash gets full again
[00:46] <DanaG> dang steam.
[00:46] <DanaG> 0%..........................0%........................0%.........................
[00:46] <teamcobra> DanaG: I dunno, I run stuff like that manually
[00:46] <individual_elev> its probably in the e250
[00:47] <DanaG> Duude, if you say you're updating, you'd **** well better use some bandwidth to UPDATE!
[00:47] <DanaG> Stupid Steam.
[00:48] <DanaG> Oh, jumped to 99%.
[00:48] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: in the mp3 player there should be a folder thats hidden that has .trash- in its name and your computer name after.
[00:49] <DanaG> I just hope VAC doesn't think Wine is a cheat.
[00:49] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: find that name, then in the terminal type in "rm /media/disk/.trash-<w/e is here>" assuming you have only the mp3 player in there as an external disk
[00:50] <teamcobra> DanaG: shouldn't
[00:50] <Fritzel> is there a package of additional widgits for kde4 available by some name? or am I a bit early for that yet?
[00:50] <DanaG> Yay, 1.4 megabytes per second.
[00:51] <DanaG> WiFi connection is at 48 megabits.
[00:51] <bluefoxx> DanaG: ide take 1.4 megs a second over 31kb/s any day of the week
[00:52] <DanaG> Yay, school internet.
[00:52] <DanaG> Even better is when I'm on gigabit there.
[00:52] <DanaG> Then it's mind-blowingly fast.
[00:52] <hewhocutsdown> teamcobra? reboot it mounted properly
[00:52] <bluefoxx> 30kb/s over my wifi router i got for free :) i have it, may as well use it XP
[00:52] <hewhocutsdown> still shows as unknown in gparted, but whatever. I can read/write to it fine
[00:52] <hewhocutsdown> all well...thanks again
[00:52] <DanaG> Fastest I've seen (from mirrors.kernel.org, on "internet2":  30 megaBYTES per second.
[00:53]  * bluefoxx hates being poor
[00:53] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, sweet sweet
[00:53] <DanaG> Unfortunately, that spoils anything else -- anything else seems pathetic.
[00:53] <hewhocutsdown> gotta go take care of the baby now, but thank you
[00:53] <DanaG> s/seems/is/
[00:53] <bluefoxx> once i get a job the plan is i take over net, phone and cable:)
[00:53] <bluefoxx> then i upgrade all to FULL SPEED!!!
[00:54] <Sergeant_Pony> is there a way to get rid of old kernels?
[00:54] <Ienorand> Sergeant_Pony: just uninstall packages.
[00:55] <teamcobra> bluefoxx, heh, I'm poor myself, but that's gonna change
[00:55] <Fritzel> heeh you know you're a linux geek when... you use sed to correct typos
[00:55] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm.. to delete old boot-up kernels?
[00:55] <Fritzel> you know you're a linux geek when... you realize that someone used sed to correct typos
[00:56] <bluefoxx> im trying to find a place that will test my skills rather than asking for a stupid paper that costs thousands of dollers saying i am able to do <skills i have>
[00:58] <gluer> bluefoxx: seeing the papers though shows commitment, the skills can be proven after
[00:58] <Ienorand> Sergant_Pony: http://tinyurl.com/3ow9gc
[00:59] <mophead> How close is Hardy to being "done"?
[00:59] <bluefoxx> i know computer hardware fairly good considering i was clueless a year ago and have done more than my fair share of mods XP[turbo charged front tri-cooler fan, ignition key to start computer{security+fun}, cable slimdowns, case window...the list is decent]
[00:59] <Ienorand> for me and my poor computer, far from... but that's subjective
[01:00] <mophead> For an average user, would it be a good idea to update when it comes out?
[01:00] <Exilant> depends on your criteria
[01:01] <Exilant> updating is work (and fun, but i don't know if average users see it that way)
[01:01] <Sergeant_Pony> Ienorand
[01:01] <Sergeant_Pony> thanks
[01:01] <Ienorand> your welcome
[01:01] <hmuller> Exilant:  quite right, it all depends on your definition of fun =)
[01:01] <Ienorand> did that myself quite recently...
[01:01] <mophead> So basically, it will be a while before someone could upgrade to hardy, tweak a couple of things and be ready to go
[01:02] <mophead> Is that what you're saying?
[01:02] <Exilant> no, it worked quite out of the box a couple of months ago
[01:03] <mophead> what type of issues have peoople been having?
[01:03] <hmuller> mophead:  It depends entirely on your hardware.  I recommend installing it to a separate partition and testing it there if you are curious, or even just running the LiveCD
[01:03] <Exilant> there are some problems with the restricted graphics drivers, from time to time some dependency trouble, alsa problems
[01:03] <individual_elev> bluefoxx i dont see it here my box,but i plugged it in my windows pc,i can see the .trash/spiniker folder,i tried deleting it but didnt wok
[01:03] <mophead> I've heard pulseaudio is tricky
[01:03] <hmuller> mophead: depends again on your hardware
[01:04] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: try the forums then...best i can suggest. or #ubuntu
[01:04] <Ienorand> Sergant_Pony: you'll have to watch out with your grub settings though, if it's set to boot a certain option it might get shifted (especially if your using dual-boot like windows as default)
[01:04] <mophead> Re my hardware: I'm on a toshiba notebook
[01:04] <bluefoxx> hmm...tempted to try and make a add-on type mod to turn my headphones into a chat headset...
[01:04] <hmuller> mophead:  I'd definitely try the LiveCD first.  I've never been a fan of toshiba's myself.
[01:05] <teamcobra> mophead: yeah, in a few weeks it'll be non-beta.....
[01:05] <mophead> And the livecd is the one you can get by writinjg to them, right?
[01:06] <teamcobra> bluefoxx, or plug in another set of headphones and yell into them as if it was a mic
[01:06] <Exilant> oh btw. is anyone using b43
[01:06] <Exilant> ?
[01:06] <Exilant> mophead: you can just dl it
[01:06] <mophead> ah, and burn it to a cd
[01:06] <mophead> now I get it
[01:06] <teamcobra> (plug the 2nd set into the mic jack, ghettotastic, but it has saved me a few times)
[01:06] <Exilant> dunno if they ship beta/rc cds
[01:06] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: that workss :/
[01:06] <teamcobra> Exilant, I am, it is much much better than ndiswrapper on this bcm4311 rev02
[01:07] <Exilant> cool
[01:07] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: yeah, when I was on the road in another country, and didn;t have the cash to keep using payphones, a cheap set of headphones and skype rocked the party ;)
[01:07] <Exilant> range with bcm43 was horrible
[01:07] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: lol
[01:07] <teamcobra> Exilant: yeh, b43 and bcm43 can't be compared, at all ;p ;p
[01:07] <Exilant> so, time for another funny update next weekend :)
[01:08] <icanhasproxy> So my wifi card is broken. Hardy, fully updated. Atheros AR242x. modprobe ath_pci reveals error in dmesg
[01:08] <bluefoxx> mayhaphs i should take a fan or three out of my computer...sounds like a gt3-aspec dodge viper from the front if i stop one O.<
[01:08] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm in the same boat
[01:09] <Stormx2> How come the new firefox beta won't open links from other apps?
[01:09] <jk_> is all the software for ubuntu free, so far i have only encountered free software, i was wondering if there is commercial software
[01:09] <Stormx2> e.g. in xchat, clicking a link then "open in browser" does nothing
[01:10] <teamcobra> jk: most linux commercial software = games
[01:10] <hmuller> jk_: There is commercial *nix software, a google search will help you locate some if you want to take a look
[01:10] <jepler> jk_: when software isn't free, it's clearly marked as such
[01:11] <hmuller> that was a popular question
[01:11] <jepler> e.g., the things in "restricted drivers"
[01:11] <jk_> cheers you two hmuller jepler
[01:12] <hmuller> jepler: restricted isn't necessarily commercial
[01:12] <jepler> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
[01:12] <bluefoxx> let me get something straight here...one usb port supports 127 devices right? so logically 10 of them supports 1270 devices correct?
[01:12] <hmuller> jepler: my nvidia driver isn't for sale, just proprietary
[01:12] <jepler> hmuller: it wasn't clear to me what definition of 'free' jk_ meant
[01:12] <hmuller> jepler: ah yes, definitions =)
[01:12] <Fritzel`> man I love when adept says there's updates available, it's like christmas time
[01:12] <Fritzel`> bunch of new shiny packages and you wonder what you got
[01:13] <teamcobra> hahahah :)
[01:13] <teamcobra> that is the one wicked thing about linux. upgrading is free, and updates usually include all kinds of shiny functionality ;)
[01:13] <Fritzel`> indeed ^^
[01:13] <jk_> jepler, without money changing hands
[01:14] <teamcobra> ahh, free as in beer, not free as in freedom ;)
[01:14] <Ienorand> Fritzel`: that's definitely one of them "you know you're a geek (linux geek no less)" things
[01:14] <jepler> jk_: I'm happy to accept $1000 from you, and in return I'll give you a Hardy Heron Alpha 5 collectors CD
[01:14] <teamcobra> check out "Mutant Storm" for an example of commercial linux software
[01:14] <teamcobra> or for an example of Crack in software form
[01:15] <Exilant> bluefoxx: right... note however, that is true only for real ports, not just a second plug
[01:15] <jk_> on the contrary, i only ask i am not willing to pay money for software jepler
[01:15] <Fritzel`> yeah might as well through that one in there too ^^
[01:16] <bluefoxx> you know you're computer is loud when you have to yell to talk to someone and they are less than 2 feet away from you...and you have a blanket covering your computer to make it 'quiet'
[01:16] <teamcobra> hahahahahah bluefoxx
[01:16] <Fritzel`> time to find some new fans I think Blue, you don't want to cover tha tup
[01:17] <teamcobra> jk: I believe, if I'm not mistaken, you can even code a commercial app using lgpl libraries and still be in the clear
[01:17] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: new fans? i allready have 7 extra ones in there. all perfectly working and correctly mantained :)
[01:17] <teamcobra> (assuming you need to sell the app to make $$ and not support, ex: games, stuff where not much support is needed)
[01:18] <bluefoxx> and the end result is a socket 478 celeron d overclocked about 30% running at a below normal 30-40 degrees Celsius
[01:18] <Fritzel`> I can't wait till I'm out of the country, I'm too far from the road and my internet connection feels it
[01:18] <Fritzel`> out of the country = less rural
[01:19] <mophead> I have to think long and hard agout whether I should update this month at all, or just wait a few months and hear what people say
[01:19] <bluefoxx> whats the new audio-capture program?
[01:19] <teamcobra> mophead: it'll be offically stable in 3 weeks.... but it's not too bad right now, I'll be honest
[01:20] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: pulse audio sound server
[01:20] <teamcobra> if you're comfortable using linux, I'd say go for it on a new partition (even tho I did an upgrade from gutsy on this lappie without trouble)
[01:20] <bluefoxx> i remember i used to use sound-recorder. but now what is it?
[01:20] <teamcobra> if you're not all that comfortable with fixing a couple things, you might wanna hold off though
[01:21] <Fritzel`> speaking is skype agreeing with it yet?
[01:21] <Fritzel`> speaking of pulse rather
[01:21] <murkyMurk> ahh, soz, still sound recorder
[01:21] <mophead> teamcobra: I don't feel comfortable using partitions... but I like the idea of running it from the live cd and seeing how that works
[01:21] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: hrm, not sure, if you wanna use sound-recorder, apt-get install it ;)
[01:21] <murkyMurk> vs 2.22.0 no less
[01:21] <mophead> I already had to fix the sound on gutsy, and fix some other things
[01:21] <mophead> some stuff still doesn't work but I can live without it, like my webcam
[01:22] <teamcobra> mophead: if you're on a decent connection, go for it, the livecd is good (I made a custom version of it for the site/service I'm launching tonight ;) )
[01:22] <bluefoxx> ah. i have to learn audiciaty or sumfin ¬¬
[01:22] <teamcobra> I found that a _lot_ more hardware works out of the box using hardy as a base for my livecd vs gutsy
[01:23] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: what's wrong w/ sound-recorder? doesn't work?
[01:23] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: too lazy to install it. i have ubuntu-studio audio and vidio installed so :P
[01:24] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: bah, if you like it, sudo apt-get install sound-recorder  , it looks to be a small app (and runs fine here)
[01:24] <teamcobra> although audacity is good for heavier tasks (things you'd need sound forge for)
[01:24] <teamcobra> and very worth learning
[01:27] <mophead> teamcobra: you're saying that hardy worked better with your original hardware than gutsy did?
[01:27] <teamcobra> mophead: yes, and quite a few other machines in the house (even the 20" imac)
[01:28] <teamcobra> also on my server (AM2+ motherboard, lots of the hardware wasn't properly supported until 2.6.24
[01:28] <mophead> hmm... I will keep that in mind
[01:28] <teamcobra> yeah, I've tested every flavor of ubuntu on about 8 boxes here
[01:29] <teamcobra> by every, I mean gutsy, hardy, and the xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu flavors of each ;)
[01:29] <mophead> I guess I just wanted someone to ease my anxieties, hehe
[01:29] <teamcobra> had the best out-of-the-box (livecd) experience w/ ubuntu hardy (gnome flavor)
[01:30] <guillermo> hi, I installed ubuntu from a network server, but because of a but i was left without ubuntu-desktop. the problem is i cant install it with sudo apt-get install because the network is unreachable, any ideas how to fix this? thanks
[01:30] <bluefoxx> hehe. homemade shotgun mike+headphones=fun
[01:30] <mophead> guillermo: hardy or gu tsy?
[01:30] <teamcobra> guillermo: hrm, check your /etc/resolv.conf and make sure that the dns entries are right
[01:31] <guillermo> 8.04, but it actually happened in both versions
[01:31] <mophead> teamcobra: has there been a lot of talk about toshiba and hardy issues?
[01:31] <teamcobra> and also, check /etc/network/interfaces
[01:31] <guillermo> it doesnt recognize eth0, but i dont know how to activate it
[01:32] <guillermo> i did ifup and nothing happens
[01:32] <teamcobra> mophead: hrm, well, one of the lappies I tested (that didn't have working sound in gutsy) was a toshiba core2duo laptop, and all of the hardware works
[01:32] <teamcobra> guillermo, lspci, find out what kind of network card... then open up a root terminal
[01:32] <murkyMurk> guillermo: i usually use ifconfig eth0 up
[01:32] <Klanticus> how do I activate the scroll region on my touchpad? I'm using an Acer nb. I think this worked out of the box in gutsy
[01:33] <teamcobra> and try "sudo rmmod drivername ; sudo modbprobe drivername" , where drivername is the module name of the driver
[01:33] <teamcobra> Klanticus: google xorg ZAxisMapping
[01:34] <guillermo> lspci detects it, ethernet contoller: realtek semiconductor
[01:34] <teamcobra> I believe the value is: Option ZAxisMapping "4 5"               (in xorg.conf.... but I could be a bit off, that was from memory)
[01:34] <teamcobra> guillermo, know what model #?
[01:34] <Exilant> does that work?
[01:34] <guillermo> it was working just a second ago, because the installation was from the newtwork
[01:34] <Exilant> my xorg seems to get ignored in that respect
[01:34] <teamcobra> guillermo: oh, ok
[01:34] <teamcobra> try this... sudo dhclient eth0
[01:35] <guillermo> RTTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
[01:35] <teamcobra> after bringing eth0 up
[01:35] <guillermo> ok, ill try
[01:35] <guillermo> YES!!! thanks, this has been killing me
[01:36] <teamcobra> heh, no prob.... now sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <guillermo> its installing. so what does dhclient do?
[01:36] <teamcobra> might wanna do an apt-get update and an apt-get upgrade
[01:36] <teamcobra> dhclient = gets ip address for interface via dhcp
[01:36] <teamcobra> it should auto run on startu[p
[01:36] <teamcobra> but who knows, something might've happened
[01:37] <bluefoxx> hmmm....anyone know the voltage of the onboard fans on a pci graphics card? im guessing 5 volts maybe
[01:37] <guillermo> yeah, its a bug. ive read about people having the same issue sinse 6.04
[01:37] <teamcobra> hrm, weird.... after ubuntu-desktop installs, it _should_ work
[01:37] <teamcobra> might be a bug in the server distro (I dunno, I have to use static ips on my hardy server, no dhcp server on the network)
[01:38] <guillermo> iv heard its a problem with the ubuntu alternate version, i really couldnt tell you whats happening, but i do know the bug has been there for a while
[01:39]  * mndo is away: sleepy time.. not around.. pvt me..
[01:39] <teamcobra> if it still doesn't work, edit your /etc/init.d/rc.local and add "dhclient eth0" to it
[01:39] <teamcobra> that way, it'll get an ip address on startup
[01:40] <guillermo> its working now, its completing the install without any problems from the server. but man..  i spent hours looking for a possible answer, im just glad its working
[01:40] <Stormx2> wuthell. How can I remove mounted SSH servers from Places?
[01:41] <teamcobra> heh, no prob, dhclient is a good friend ;)
[01:41] <guillermo> jajaja thanks again, much appreciated
[01:41] <teamcobra> no prob, I like to see things get unb0rked ;)
[01:41] <guillermo> jajaja
[01:44] <mophead> ok, I've made a date with my local linux geek to resize my partitions and upgrade
[01:45] <teamcobra> mophead: if you wanna just be gangster about it, you could burn backups of important files and follow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[01:45] <cyclonut> anyone know of a statistics channel on IRC
[01:45] <cyclonut> or, does anyone happen to be a statistician?
[01:45] <cyclonut> :)
[01:46] <teamcobra> heheheh cyclonut, not I
[01:46] <jepler> any differences in bluetooth a2dp support from gutsy to hardy?
[01:46] <teamcobra> what kind of stats do you need?
[01:46] <keanu> I'm having trouble using amarok - I get "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers." on startup
[01:47] <cyclonut> teamcobra: well, to do it quick, and in a pastie: http://pastie.caboo.se/176904
[01:47] <mophead> teamcobra: I can't update that way - my partition isn't large enough
[01:47] <mophead> and I don't want to try resizing it by myself
[01:48] <adelie42> Having a weird bug. Got a G11 keyboard, and in Hardy the right shift can't be used to type a '?' and a few other characters
[01:48] <adelie42> any ideas?
[01:49] <Dr_willis> G11 like the G15 with a lcd? I have a G15
[01:49] <adelie42> Dr_willis: They are the same, but G11 has more G-keys, and no lcd
[01:50] <adelie42> Dr_willis: there is no G11 layout in keyboard settings, just G15, but neither resolve the issue
[01:52] <keanu> any idea on why amarok doesn't play audio?
[01:53] <Dr_willis> adelie42,  im not using any special layouts or other settings.  let me pastebn my xorg.conf
[01:53] <Dr_willis> adelie42 http://pastebin.com/f3c42c51f,
[01:54] <Black_Magic> Uhm i have a small problem
[01:54] <Black_Magic> Really Small
[01:54] <Black_Magic> ok a usualy on my top gnome-panel my Powerbutton is on the end of the panel and then the Applets are infront but behind the :: Border but now its infront next to the time and the applets are behind the border
[01:54] <Black_Magic> how can i fix this?
[01:54] <teamcobra> mophead: ahh, that sucks
[01:55] <teamcobra> cyclonut, have you checked out searchirc.com?
[01:55] <adelie42> Dr_willis: similar enough to mine :/
[01:56] <keanu> any idea on how to get amarok to play audio?
[01:57] <Black_Magic> Does ANY Audio work keanu
[01:57] <keanu> Black_Magic, yes, VLC, rhythmbox, and firefox play audio fine
[01:58] <Black_Magic> then it could be a problem with the Hardy package
[01:58] <teamcobra> keanu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/176332
[01:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176332 in pulseaudio "amarok does not work with pulseaudio [hardy]" [Undecided,New]
[01:58] <teamcobra> but amarok did work out of the box for me
[01:58] <teamcobra> and there seams to be a workaround in that post
[01:58] <keanu> teamcobra, thanks - i guess google didn't find it when i was searching
[01:58] <teamcobra> it's all good
[01:59] <DanaG> Argh, padevchooser isn't right-clickable.
[01:59] <DanaG> Oh, nifty thing, that "archive mounter"
[02:01] <Black_Magic> Guess no one cares about the panel bug
[02:01] <Black_Magic> so here is my NEXT Question
[02:01] <DanaG> Argh, the games list pegs my CPU at 100%.
[02:01] <DanaG> Handy hint: don't bother locking applets.  Locking doesn't work, and just gets in the way.
[02:02] <Black_Magic> i have a WD Passport that is detected in Windows but if i connect it with Ubuntu on
[02:02] <Black_Magic> Ubuntu doesnt see the device
[02:02] <DanaG> Anything in dmesg about it?
[02:02] <ChaosParser> Black_Magic: Change where the panel is, click on the applets to get focus, change the panel back.
[02:03] <Black_Magic> That didnt work :/
[02:05] <teamcobra> danag: add a new user, and see if the games list pegs the cpu under that user
[02:05] <teamcobra> if it does, the problem lies in your gnome config
[02:05] <teamcobra> erm..... if it doesn't, even
[02:05] <DanaG> By "games list", I mean in Steam, of course.
[02:05] <teamcobra> ohhhhhhh
[02:06] <teamcobra> hmm
[02:06] <DanaG> Oh wait, the small games list doesn't do it, but the big one does.
[02:06] <DanaG> Heh, interesting: http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
[02:06] <teamcobra> DanaG: weird, never had any probs w/ that, but I haven't run steam in a month or so
[02:06] <teamcobra> been too busy to game
[02:07] <DanaG> odd.
[02:07] <teamcobra> Seveas, don't ban him, he's here every day ;p
[02:07]  * Black_Magic Strugles to move the time and date :/
[02:08] <Black_Magic> There we go
[02:10] <DanaG> Note to self and others: don't paste that.  The 0001 is a CTCP.
[02:10] <Black_Magic> huh?
[02:10] <DanaG> The box thingy from on the Steampowered site, that is.
[02:10] <teamcobra> ahh
[02:11] <LjL> !paste
[02:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[02:11] <bluefoxx> DanaG: lol. 127 cpus XD
[02:11] <DanaG> Heh.
[02:11] <DanaG> Q[0001]
[02:11] <DanaG> or rather, 0002.
[02:12]  * DanaG takes it to the offtopic channel
[02:12] <bluefoxx> three people from DanaG's link think they have a 127cpu system XDD
[02:12] <DanaG> Under Vista, it thinks my 17" LCD is 20".
[02:13] <Spenc3> got a question on audio. what program can I use to listen to what's coming in from the audio In line of my sound card?
[02:16] <murkyMurk> Spenc3: just unmute that input and itĺl be routed to the speaker
[02:16] <ciscoguru> it seems 8.04 got delayed for 5 months, due to a hidden root kit
[02:16] <thompa> anyone know if atheros 5006 wireless is working yet?
[02:17] <thompa> *AR5006EG
[02:17] <bazhang> ciscoguru: what is the source of this info--link please
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> thompa: I'm thinking no
[02:17] <teamcobra> ciscoguru, that's cute. but  do you have any evidence?
[02:17] <ciscoguru> yes
[02:17] <ciscoguru> www.theonion.com/technology/linux/ubuntu8.04-got-mass-owned.html
[02:18] <teamcobra> hahahahahah, it's theonion :)
[02:18] <bazhang> April 1st is already passed ciscoguru and that is the onion
[02:18] <teamcobra> but I'm gonna read it anyway for a laugh
[02:18] <ciscoguru> actually onion didnt even write it
[02:18] <thompa> nomasteryoda: whats you thinking how?
[02:18] <ciscoguru> i made the url up
[02:18] <ciscoguru> "lulz"
[02:18] <teamcobra> ciscoguru, theonion is a joke news site ;)
[02:18] <teamcobra> hahahah
[02:18] <teamcobra> lulz
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> hahaha
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> unfortinately you are like 6 days late
[02:18] <teamcobra> hahahahahhaha
[02:19] <thompa> hardy har
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> 6_^
[02:19] <Black_Magic> UGH BLOODY HELL!
[02:19] <ciscoguru> only site i really read is a low key one
[02:19] <bluefoxx> >|
[02:19] <bazhang> language and caps Black_Magic
[02:19] <ciscoguru> i saw dedicated to networking, its lowkey
[02:19] <thompa> anyone sober and running atheros, ive been trying weeks
[02:19] <ciscoguru> www.theciscocommunity.com
[02:19] <Black_Magic> firefox 3b5 has stricken even more plugins i cannot use
[02:19] <ciscoguru> i love low key, under the radar sites
[02:19] <ciscoguru> that have good material
[02:19] <ciscoguru> instead of big bloated sites
[02:19] <Black_Magic> ><
[02:20] <Black_Magic> i liked b4 better...
[02:20] <ciscoguru> wait a second, weird
[02:20] <ciscoguru> that url has a language selector
[02:20] <murkyMurk> Black_Magic: just use FF2..itś still in add/remove
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> thompa: try ndiswrapper?
[02:20] <ciscoguru> hwo did they do that?
[02:20] <thompa> nosrednaekim: i hate that thing
[02:20] <ciscoguru> switching from english to persian, to swedish with just a selection
[02:20] <Spenc3> got a question on audio. what program can I use to listen to what's coming in from the audio In line of my sound card?
[02:20] <thompa> nomasteryoda: if it even works
[02:21] <Black_Magic> Memory leaks FTL
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> thompa: hey.. wit works, I can't argue with that really
[02:21] <murkyMurk> Spenc3: again, just unmute the linein channel and you´ll hear it on your speakers
[02:22] <Spenc3> alright.. let me try.. don't have any sound coming out.. maybe the wrong port.. just a sec.
[02:22] <Black_Magic> Could anyone help me with my usb hdd problem?
[02:22] <DanaG> Ugh, my fonts in Wine are all mangled.
[02:22] <DanaG> Like, broken font.  Not wrong font, but broken.
[02:23] <DanaG> Or some really screwy-by-design font.
[02:23] <teamcobra> DanaG: reinstall msttcorefonts?
[02:24] <icanhasadmin> I've run into some madwifi bugs, but I'm not sure if it's just the new kernel version and madwifi or if it involves hardy at all
[02:24] <DanaG> Argh, why do Wine apps stick to the current desktop?
[02:24] <teamcobra> no idea
[02:25] <DanaG> s/stick/jump/
[02:25] <thompa> icanhasadmin: its new kernel
[02:26] <teamcobra> DanaG: check out www.winehq.org, there's a new release (april 4th, no hardy package yet it seems)
[02:26] <icanhasadmin> thompa: yeah that's what i thought.
[02:26] <teamcobra> one of the bullets: Window Management Fixes
[02:26] <Black_Magic> why does apt like things lag my computer when there running
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: disk usage
[02:26] <icanhasadmin> Black_Magic: they are building packages into your kernel....
[02:26] <Black_Magic> no i mean SLOOOW down
[02:27] <Black_Magic> i mean installing a firefox plugin makes it almost imposible to use ANY program open..
[02:27] <Spenc3> murkyMurk, no luck on that.
[02:27] <Spenc3> :(
[02:27] <thompa> icanhasadmin: ive been playing around with it for a while, there was a for acer_acpi and madwifi for atheros somehow incorporated into 2.6.25 which is now backported
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: which apt program?
[02:27] <teamcobra> Black: apt can be pretty cpu/hard-drive intensive when installing packages ;)
[02:27] <thompa> icanhasadmin: now its impossible to install unless you compile the kernel
[02:27] <icanhasadmin> thompa: i got it to work.. sort of
[02:27] <Spenc3> cable now at the right spot.. but nothing yet :(
[02:27] <thompa> icanhasadmin: ubuntu overkill
[02:27] <Black_Magic> update-manager and the one to install firefox ubuntu addons
[02:27] <DanaG> I find the new kernel's scheduler still sucks at some things.
[02:27] <teamcobra> it _flies_ on a quad-core though ;)
[02:27] <thompa> icanhasadmin: what atheros?
[02:28] <thompa> icanhasadmin: on acer with 5006 you need soft wifi switch in bios hack
[02:28] <Black_Magic> sometimes i greeve using update-manager...
[02:28]  * saltedlight morning... :)
[02:28] <Black_Magic> thompa: Do i need that too
[02:28] <Black_Magic> i have Toshiba
[02:28] <Black_Magic> with 5006EG
[02:28] <teamcobra> morning salted
[02:28] <DanaG> No deb files for that Wine.
[02:29] <thompa> Black_Magic: i think its only with eee and aspires with 5006 atheros
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> thompa: not so...
[02:29] <thompa> Black_Magic: but lots of new laptops
[02:29] <Black_Magic> why is that?
[02:29] <DanaG> Wow, dragging the Wine'd Steam makes it spazz out.
[02:29] <thompa> Black_Magic: what does lspci tell you?
[02:29] <Black_Magic> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[02:30] <thompa> Black_Magic: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5006EG
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: yech...... even worse, you have to use ndiswrapper on that one
[02:30] <Black_Magic> Mines A/B/G
[02:30] <jimiridge> me2!
[02:30] <thompa> Black_Magic: that the same one you got i think, just named diff
[02:30] <jimiridge> i dunno about a though
[02:30]  * saltedlight wonders how long will be these 16 long days 'till ubuntu 8.04 ... :))
[02:30] <Black_Magic> nosrednaekim: Lol your crazy
[02:30] <Black_Magic> nosrednaekim: Im using Madwifi Right NOW!
[02:30] <jimiridge> isnt A like 5Ghz?
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: woah... how? and what computer?
[02:31] <Black_Magic> Acctually my card works by default..
[02:31] <Black_Magic> Toshiba A105
[02:31] <Black_Magic> i just have to select a wireless network and away i go
[02:31] <thompa> Black_Magic: you need to remove the atheros stuff modules etc, compile from scratch maybe, its a pain
[02:31] <icanhasadmin> thompa: 5007, patched
[02:31] <Black_Magic> thompa: Wa?
[02:31] <Black_Magic> thompa: Im using wireless with madwifi right now...
[02:31] <thompa> icanhasadmin: what patch?
[02:31] <icanhasadmin> Black_Magic: heh, i have one of those rigs too
[02:32] <Black_Magic> my card has always worked for Ubuntu since i first got it...
[02:32] <icanhasadmin> thompa: i'll have to find it again. some bloke genius posted it online, there's a link from madwifi's official compatibility list under 5007 i think
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: thats odd, I have an Acer Aspire and it refuses to work
[02:32] <jimiridge> i had to patch my madwifi
[02:32] <thompa> Black_Magic: mine has not worked since alpha 6, it before was misidentified as 5007, but its 5006
[02:32] <jimiridge> Atheros AR5BXB63
[02:32] <thompa> jimiridge: what patch
[02:32] <Black_Magic> :/
[02:32] <Black_Magic> I can even use Aircrack-ng
[02:33] <jimiridge> what card do you have?
[02:33] <icanhasadmin> nosrednaekim: that's not odd. the Toshiba's and the Acers have different APIC problems, toshiba affect sound, acer affects wifi :P
[02:33] <Black_Magic> While browsing the net..
[02:33] <icanhasadmin> nosrednaekim: i can get your wifi to work 90% on acer generally
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: :)
[02:33] <thompa> icanhasadmin: that right
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: I put on ndiswrapper and forgot about it ;-)
[02:33] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Me?
[02:33] <jimiridge> if its 5006 i dunno i have a 5007
[02:33] <icanhasadmin> nosrednaekim: ah, be glad you got ndiswrapper to work lol
[02:33] <thompa> there are like 3 bugs open on it still
[02:34] <jimiridge> my laptop says Atheros AR5BXB63  underneath it
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: yeah.. I had to go find the right driver... but yep, its working though I'd still be glad to get madwifi working
[02:34] <Black_Magic> Me Loves my Wifi Card :P
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: suspend still doesn't work properly because of it
[02:34] <jimiridge> i dont really care for all the VAP nonsense with atheros
[02:34] <Black_Magic> I love Toshiba's Period i got the sound working by simply using Digital Option instead of PCM
[02:35] <thompa> mandriva got it working live somehow, i just tested it 2008.1
[02:35] <Black_Magic> its my Old Faitful labtop
[02:35] <Black_Magic> ;)
[02:35] <bluefoxx> mine works right out of the box
[02:35]  * DanaG is glad to have neither Toshiba nor Acer.
[02:35] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: I coulda sworn a while back you where talking about Aircracking
[02:35] <bluefoxx> ralink sumfin. hardinfo is crapped out
[02:35]  * mneptok patpats his Lenovo
[02:35] <jimiridge> yeah my atheros works with it
[02:36] <thompa> im going to wait for next kernel update, i hope there is one
[02:36] <jimiridge> but i choose to use my r8187 card
[02:36] <jimiridge> no vap nonsense
[02:36] <Black_Magic> r8187?
[02:36] <bluefoxx> i cant fidure out aircrack-ng. need a tutorial >P
[02:36] <jimiridge> http://www.data-alliance.net/servlet/the-90/high-dsh-power-long-dsh-range-AWUS036H-Alfa/Detail
[02:37] <thompa> jimiridge: i was even on the madwifi irc and they could not get mine to work, patch worked pre 2.6.23
[02:37] <bluefoxx> once i find a "type in this"> "you should get this" type tutorial i can figure out stuff from there pretty well
[02:37] <jimiridge> bluefoxx, http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=tutorial&DokuWiki=7502c38a45f3817623efeb5e729229d5
[02:37] <thompa> jimiridge: sorry did you say you had a toshiba/
[02:38] <jimiridge> nope
[02:38] <jimiridge> Acer Aspire 4315
[02:38] <Black_Magic> How do those wifi extenders work?
[02:38] <thompa> jimiridge: we got the same card
[02:38] <teamcobra> uhoh,. Green Lantern is on in 20 mins ;) anyone here ever listen to him?
[02:38] <DanaG> No rtl8180 driver.
[02:38] <thompa> jimiridge: your using madwifi?
[02:38] <mneptok> !offtopic > teamcobra
[02:38] <jimiridge> yea
[02:38] <teamcobra> sorry ;p
[02:39] <mneptok> np
[02:39] <jimiridge> http://hst.ath.cx/~james/acer4315.html
[02:39] <teamcobra> and bluefoxx: airoscript is your friend
[02:39] <thompa> jimiridge: did you compile it and your on heron right/
[02:39] <mneptok> someday when we get a green GTK2 theme it will be topical
[02:39] <jimiridge> yup
[02:39] <bluefoxx> will aircrack-ng work with a  RaLink Wireless PCI Adapter RT2400 / RT2460 ?
[02:39] <teamcobra> mneptok, heheheh
[02:39] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: airoscript?
[02:39] <thompa> jimiridge: did you use latest madwifi only, what else/
[02:39] <teamcobra> blue: yeah, google for it
[02:40] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: kk, will do
[02:40] <thompa> jimiridge: did you blacklist or remove any modules first
[02:40] <teamcobra> btw, I have that alfa that jimi posted, worth every penny (bought from data-alliance too)
[02:41]  * DanaG has iwl3945.
[02:41] <jimiridge> whoah whats going on madd lag
[02:41] <thompa> jimiridge: that link did not work
[02:41] <teamcobra> blue: injection should work on those cards, might not be the best injection rate, but it should at least work
[02:41] <jimiridge> hst?
[02:41] <jimiridge> lemmie check my port forwarding rules this morning its ip changed
[02:41] <thompa> jimiridge: please tell me how you installed madwifi, was it a patch or what?
[02:42] <Black_Magic> Anyone know how to change the side of the :: on the Panel?
[02:42] <Black_Magic> the little separator things that  look like ::
[02:43] <jimiridge> ok hst.ath.cx is back up
[02:44] <thompa> jimiridge: thanks,
[02:45] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. what gives?
[02:45] <thompa> jimiridge: its 386 only i guess? the patch version is diff from what i used hmm
[02:46] <bluefoxx> i figured since the ralink works so well out of the box it should work fine with aircrack. did i mention i got all my wireless equipment free?[im only short one antenna XP]
[02:46] <DanaG> "This game is currently unavailable"
[02:47] <hp> does anyone know if harddy fixed the laptop harddrive wear and tear problem?
[02:47] <bluefoxx> hp: hards wear out. its a part of life as much as death and birth are
[02:48] <DanaG> Load cycle rapidly increasing isn't a "normal part of life"
[02:48] <hp> bluefoxx: but it's not necessary to speed up the process
[02:48] <teamcobra> blue: I had a usb rt2570 that worked w/ injection... all ralink cards do
[02:48] <DanaG> load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...
[02:48] <Black_Magic> hp: WHAT Hardrive wear and tear...
[02:48] <thompa> well is 5006 same as 5007
[02:48] <bluefoxx> hp: the only solution is to get a good brand hard[eg. seagate] and treat it nice[cold==good]
[02:48] <teamcobra> they're not the fastest at injection, but they work nicely if you're in range
[02:48] <teamcobra> heh, and stay the hell away from maxtor
[02:48] <teamcobra> heh, I've had better luck w/ whitelabel generics
[02:49] <teamcobra> than maxtors (and I've gone through 1000s of hd;s, used to mod xboxes)
[02:49] <thompa> oh well im going to try it thanks
[02:49]  * DanaG has a Hitachi 7k200-200.
[02:49] <bluefoxx> hp: stay away from maxtor and western digital in my expirence. i have a 320 meg seagate that still works.
[02:49] <jimiridge> yeah maxtor sells cheap hd's
[02:49] <teamcobra> I thought that the hd problem was a very easy fix, and was installed by default on laptops (laptop-mode-tools package)
[02:50] <bluefoxx> ive had 13 wds fail on me. one was brand new and lasted 3 months. and 5 maxtors. but most hdds are free for me[read: salvaged]
[02:50] <bluefoxx> i need more ATA hards :\
[02:50] <hp> i think it's the particular problem for laptop. i read an article that says fiesty and gutsy makes the harddrive unload a lot, so it makes the lifetime ofhte harddrive shorter
[02:50] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: heh, I used to have some 4gb barracuda scsi2's... my uncle gave em to me when he worked at Ziff-Davis (PC Magazine, etc), and they were worth like $500 each back then
[02:51] <Black_Magic> bluefoxx: :/ i have a WD Passport... got it free....
[02:51] <teamcobra> hp; google for the launchpad bug, I thought it was fixed a looooong time ago
[02:51] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: 4gb scsi2? i use one of those for my .docs
[02:51] <linkinxp> guys which linux its hardy 32 bits? linux-x86 or linux-x86-32? im trying to make mesa drivers
[02:51] <hp> teambora, thanks
[02:51] <teamcobra> but the launchpad bug does offer about 3 different ways to fix it, and all of them work (if it isn't fixed in hardy, but I think it is)
[02:51] <teamcobra> linkin: there's an x86 and an x64 version
[02:51] <linkinxp> teamcobra,  ok can i give a pastebin ?
[02:52] <jimiridge> yeah lil it x86-64
[02:52] <teamcobra> sure, dunno how much I can help, but someone else might be able to as well
[02:52] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: also salvaged from a computer along with a nice controller card! adaptec 2930u/uw with internal 68 pin, internal 50 pin and external 68 pin:)
[02:53] <teamcobra> bluefoxx, nice.... I had to buy a scsi2 controller back in the day for those drives, was like $150...... this was like 11 years ago, the box was a dual p133, so I ran slack on it (12 years old and running slack, _that_ is the way to learn)
[02:53] <teamcobra> 'cause windows had BAD smp support back then
[02:53] <DanaG> The only SCSI system I've ever used was a Dell Precision 410 workstation.
[02:53] <teamcobra> so I used a console in slack (I do remember compiling xfree86 by hand and it taking like 3 hours)
[02:53] <DanaG> Dual P2-350; upgraded to Dual P3-650.
[02:54] <teamcobra> heh, r33t :D
[02:54] <Black_Magic> Can i get someone's aattention for Hep..
[02:54] <linkinxp> okey there i go http://pastebin.com/m357ff6f
[02:54] <linkinxp> i want to know whats next
[02:54] <Black_Magic> *help
[02:55] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: i only bought 3 scsi parts: my maxtronic[NOT maxtor]babyarena 3xide to raid0/1/5 scsi running a 486 and edo ram, my pair of ibm 9.4gb internal scsi2[$5 each] and a replacement cable after the decade old one i salvaged wore out. all else was free :))
[02:55] <DanaG> E: memblock.c: Assertion 'pa_atomic_load(&(b)->_ref) > 0' failed at pulsecore/memblock.c:538, function pa_memblock_unref(). Aborting.
[02:56] <DanaG> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[02:56] <DanaG> Lovely.
[02:56] <Black_Magic> I Have a USB HDD that when i first plugged it in it Worked Just fine for a couple of in and outs then i rebooted and tried to boot and OS off of it Work fine too i logged off restarted then got back on Ubuntu and afterward ubuntu doesnt see the USb HDD anymore...
[02:56] <bluefoxx> i prefere scsi to sata actually...my sata drive has fragged twice in the past week :(
[02:56] <Dr_willis> darn membock!
[02:57] <bluefoxx> oh! anyone remember rambus RAM?
[02:57] <linkinxp> yea
[02:57] <linkinxp> its still in use someplaces
[02:57] <Black_Magic> rambus ram...
[02:58] <bluefoxx> i found some with two terminator sticks XD got it in a box of free parts on craigslist with my new heatsink and router XD
[02:58] <Black_Magic> bluefoxx: Did it have windows on it ;;P
[02:58] <linkinxp> to compile mesa from intellinuxgraphic do i need first install mesa from mesa3d.org?
[02:58] <bluefoxx> Black_Magic: no but the 4gb wd caviar has 98XD ima throw it in my slot1 p3@450/768MB box
[02:59]  * Black_Magic tries to figure out what bluefoxx just said...
[02:59] <linkinxp> lmao
[02:59] <Black_Magic> lol
[02:59] <Black_Magic> 4gb wd caviar has 98XD ima throw it in my slot1p3@450/768MB box
[03:00] <Black_Magic> you have a box with 768Gigs?
[03:00]  * calc is about to upload new OOo :-)
[03:00] <icanhasadmin> calc:  yay :D new package
[03:00] <Black_Magic> that must be a fiberwire box :P
[03:00] <scraga1> tried ubtuntu hardy, but my mouse doesn't appear to work...
[03:00]  * calc wants 768GB ram
[03:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> well he said MB
[03:00]  * Dr_willis builds a relay computer.
[03:00] <bluefoxx> Black_Magic: slot one with a pentuim three running at four hundred and fifty megaheartz with seven hundred and sixty eight megabytes of ram in it. a rather respactable rig for being built on salvage
[03:00] <icanhasadmin> calc: fix anything interesting?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> scraga1,  Upgrade? or clean install?
[03:00] <Black_Magic> Oh
[03:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> but i didn't think p3's ever came in a slot 1
[03:00] <scraga1> Dr_willis: clean install, 64 bit
[03:00] <Black_Magic> Thanks for explaining head was starting to hurt
[03:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> i knew that k6's did...
[03:00] <calc> icanhasadmin: lpi bug reporting, human icon theme fallback (no more no icons bugs), ability to change template dir on amd64, java for powerpc
[03:01] <bluefoxx> Daisuke_Ido: they did. i have one. also gots a 370 version too XD
[03:01] <bluefoxx> but i also have a 1000 celeron...which to use...
[03:01] <calc> well hopefully it will build properly on powerpc again, i had someone test and it appeared to work for them
[03:01] <linkinxp> someone help me with this http://pastebin.com/m357ff6f
[03:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> cool...  slot-based processors were NOT a great idea, i can't imagine using one now
[03:01] <Dr_willis> scraga1,  check the xorg. configs. I noticed one of my machines defaulteds to /dev/psaux for some reason when it should be /dev/input/mice
[03:01] <calc> lpi bug reporting it a big deal for me since now i won't have to keep asking users what version of Ubuntu/OOo they are using
[03:01] <calc> s/it/is/
[03:02] <bluefoxx> i have a gig of ddr ram for sale in the form of four 256 sticks. 15$ each sound fair? they all work too[and all pc3200]
[03:02] <calc> i saw ddr2 4gb for $60 this weekend :)
[03:02] <scraga1>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf right?
[03:03] <calc> of course ddr1 is a bit expensive now since its obsolete
[03:03] <bluefoxx> i got a gig with a heatspreader for $5
[03:03] <bluefoxx> so, $15 each for 256 sounds OK doesnt it?
[03:03]  * calc has no idea what a good price would be for it
[03:03] <icanhasadmin> calc: cool indeed
[03:03] <bluefoxx> (course, that was $5 after trading the guy a cell phone i couldnt use...)
[03:03] <Dr_willis> scraga1,  Yes the new X uses a minimal config - i got an example here  http://pastebin.com/f7467289c
[03:03] <Dr_willis> bye all
[03:04]  * calc has a core 2 duo with ddr2, that he wants to upgrade to something faster
[03:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> not when i can order 1gb for $60 from some places
[03:04] <calc> even with ccache and parallel building OOo still takes me ~ 65m to build
[03:04] <calc> hmm my build should be done in about 10m
[03:04] <bluefoxx> i also have a gig of ram in mixed EDO/FPRAM sticks XDD
[03:05] <scraga1> Dr_willis: my mouse sections short, just Identifier and Driver (set to "vmmouse" )
[03:06] <bluefoxx> and what i think is a apple VRAM stick, meyhaphs...
[03:06] <scraga1> currently using gutsy on a second partition btw, couldn't use hardy without mouse, got annoying.
[03:13] <ere4si> can,t run the legacy nvidia driver in hardy xubuntu...
[03:14] <NW2190> Hi, I don't have a 'restart' option on the quit menu... Is that a problem or was that left out on purpose?
[03:15] <jimiridge> just open up a root console and type "reboot"
[03:15] <jimiridge> thats weird its missing
[03:17] <NW2190> jimiridge: ya that's what I've been doing. I was just wondering if that is how it is supposed to be.
[03:17] <jimiridge> some sort of glitch
[03:17] <woodwizzle> does esata work in hardy?
[03:17] <NW2190> ya that's what I figured. I haven't really looked into much since I'll be upgrading soon anyways.
[03:18] <jimiridge> upgrading to what
[03:19] <ere4si> and now "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesn't give me the option to choose a video card driver...
[03:19] <jimiridge> weird
[03:19] <NW2190> the final release
[03:20] <dotech> anyone else having weird problems in gnome where mouse clicks either don't register or register twice?
[03:20] <calc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=747696 - how long have you used linux thread :)
[03:21] <dotech> lol
[03:21] <dotech> too bad that doesn't say unix
[03:21] <dotech> unix 2.0 before atari, oh yeah.
[03:22] <calc> dotech: wow you're old ;-)
[03:22] <dotech> nahh
[03:22] <dotech> i didn't install it that year, i got a copy of it from archives :)
[03:22] <dotech> but it was originally that old at least
[03:22] <calc> i thought i was pretty being in nearly the oldest 1% on that poll
[03:22] <calc> er pretty old
[03:23] <dotech> i think i installed slackware back in 1996-97ish
[03:23] <jimiridge> i voted around 01-02
[03:23] <dotech> maybe 95-96
[03:24] <calc> i started in feb 95, just a few months from being in the oldest percentage, heh
[03:24] <calc> i think i still have the original cd i installed with
[03:24] <calc> iirc had kernel 1.2.4
[03:24] <dotech> haha nice
[03:24] <calc> was slackware 2.1 from what i recall
[03:24] <dotech> i was still in middle school when i tried to bootstrap my slackware system
[03:24] <dotech> that didn't work out if i remember correctly
[03:24] <teamcobra> calc: I have slackware 2.1 on cd someplace too
[03:25] <teamcobra> the cd is a little hosed
[03:25] <calc> teamcobra: infomagic cd?
[03:25] <jimiridge> linux has sure come a long way
[03:25] <dotech> yet my mouse and keyboard still act funny ;)
[03:25] <teamcobra> calc: nop, friend gave it to me.... I do remember downloading 2.0 on floppies though
[03:25]  * calc remembers going to the local bookstore and buying the latest infomagic multicd linux set every few months
[03:25] <dotech> i'm just happy they work most of the time
[03:26] <teamcobra> I bought my own cd-r sometime around 95
[03:26] <teamcobra> was _expeeensive_ ;p
[03:26] <teamcobra> we didn't have luxuries like infomagic around here ;p :p
[03:26] <dotech> anyone have any idea how i can start debugging the cause for my mouse click troubles?
[03:26] <dotech> seems like 1 out of 5 clicks just doesn't register
[03:27] <bluefoxx> XD 1260MB of old RAM.
[03:27] <jimiridge> i gave myself a mohawk today
[03:28] <TheDojo> I need a little help with mozilla and sound out of my USB headset ... the sound works fine in other apps like skype, but mozilla always plays sound out of hte laptop speakers
[03:28] <jimiridge> dotech, cat chewing the cables (mynoks)
[03:28] <dotech> TheDojo: get pavucontrol
[03:28] <dotech> TheDojo: that lets you switch which sink is used on a per-application basis
[03:28] <bluefoxx> 3977mb of ram in total[rimms, ddr and sdram]
[03:28] <calc> teamcobra: ouch a cd-r in 95 was around $2000 USD
[03:28] <teamcobra> calc: uh-huh
[03:28] <teamcobra> and 100% worth it
[03:29] <TheDojo> thanks man ... i'll give it a try
[03:29] <teamcobra> I bought a refurb though
[03:29] <teamcobra> so it was a bit cheaper than that
[03:29] <dotech> jimiridge: haha no other mamals around here but me
[03:29] <teamcobra> around 1200, IIRC
[03:29] <calc> teamcobra: i waited until they came down to around $800 before buying one :)
[03:29] <calc> i think that was around 96
[03:29] <jimiridge> my cat chews the heck out of all my cables
[03:29] <teamcobra> :)
[03:29] <jimiridge> i need to set up a live stripped 5v charger wire and get the point across wires+mouth=ouch
[03:30] <calc> i remember reading about cd-r's probably in 94 when they still cost ~ $5000
[03:30] <bluefoxx> jimiridge: put chilli pepper paste on them
[03:30] <calc> apparently they were 'cheap' enough to do an in depth review on them in a computer magazine
[03:30] <dotech> TheDojo: i would also suggest getting the rest of the PulseAudio tools, they're handy, http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#RelatedSoftware
[03:31]  * calc wishes this build would finish already so he could upload OOo
[03:31] <calc> 80m and still doing stuff :(
[03:31] <dotech> where's the strangest place you ever compiled a Linux kernel?
[03:31] <Davo_Dinkum> ok, so ive dist-upgraded from dapper to hardy. i ran the hardware testing tool. is that all the bug reporting needed?
[03:31] <TheDojo> playing with it now ... i'll check that link out too
[03:31] <b4l74z4r> i've discovered a bug in 8.04, i changed my application font to bold, but the applications taskbar entry keeps changing from bold to regular each time an event inside the application takes place such as rhythmbox changing to the next track
[03:31] <poningru> dotech: router
[03:32] <Davo_Dinkum> i'd like to report as many bugs as possible to help LTS upgrades
[03:32] <dotech> poningru: how about on top of a 3,000m mountain? :)
[03:32] <linkinxp> how in the h@#@# i compile Mesa Drivers ????? waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:33] <RAOF> Now _that_ is a new and different error message.  "Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating."
[03:33] <calc> i don't compile kernels anymore, no real need, i don't write drivers very often
[03:33] <dotech> i do :)
[03:33] <linkinxp> dotech,  "D
[03:33] <calc> last time i did was mid last year when i was writing audio driver for realtek chip
[03:33] <linkinxp> can u help me?
[03:33] <dotech> my specialty, thats why this mouse click problem intrigues me so much
[03:33] <linkinxp> calc,  ;(
[03:33] <Meshezabeel> .calc 2+2
[03:33] <calc> Meshezabeel: i'm not a bot :P
[03:33] <dotech> unhandled interrupts bother me
[03:34] <linkinxp> who can help me?
[03:34] <linkinxp> :s
[03:34] <Meshezabeel> calc, could have fooled me :p
[03:34] <calc> and i've had this nick longer than probably half the people in this channel have been alive ;-P
[03:34] <dotech> linkinxp: i think i would have to get some sort of medical degree before i would be qualified for that
[03:34] <linkinxp> dotech,  omg man :( im not joking :(
[03:35] <Meshezabeel> calc, wow, so you must be twice as old as half of us and half as old as twice of us
[03:35] <bluefoxx> Meshezabeel: nice one. the hobbit huh?>
[03:35] <dotech> linkinxp: i'm not exactly sure what Mesa drivers even are
[03:35] <Meshezabeel> bluefoxx, uhuh
[03:35] <calc> Meshezabeel: well dotech sounds old so i wouldn't say all ;-)
[03:35] <Meshezabeel> :)
[03:35] <calc> Meshezabeel: 10 years on freenode and another 4-5 before that
[03:35] <dotech> i'm not really familiar with many graphics drivers
[03:36] <jadacyru1> Hello, in hardy, i have show_desktop as false in gconf and i cant change wallpapers actively, I have to reboot in order to get the new walllpaper to show. But if i turn off show_desktop it works normally. this is annoying and it never behaved like this until recent updates. anyone else know about this?
[03:36] <dotech> more network and input devices
[03:36] <calc> "Registered: 9 years 23 weeks 5 days (9h 38m 15s) ago"
[03:36] <linkinxp> dotech,  Intel 965GM drivers Video
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] (n=ccheney@adsl-69-153-205-6.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net): Chris Cheney
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] is identified to services
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] idle 00:00:14, signon: Fri Mar 21 13:56:51
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] End of WHOIS list.
[03:36] <Meshezabeel> calc, wow, you must have lived through that time when there was no Internet ;)
[03:36] <dotech> arpanet
[03:36] <calc> Meshezabeel: yea :)
[03:36] <dotech> > Internet
[03:37] <Meshezabeel> arpanet only came out in 69
[03:37] <calc> bluefoxx: er my /whois isn't really all that useful :)
[03:37] <bluefoxx> Meshezabeel: *gasp for drama* there was such a time?O.o
[03:37] <Meshezabeel> bluefoxx, yeah, hard to believe, eh?
[03:37] <dotech> linkinxp: no clue about video drivers
[03:37] <calc> bluefoxx: /msg nickserv info (foo) to find out about people like their registered time
[03:37] <bluefoxx> calc: meh. ive nuttin better to do[im sortin unused ram]
[03:37] <linkinxp> dotech,  u know how to compile ? can u read the instructions? :D
[03:37] <dotech> bluefoxx: defragmenting?
[03:38] <bluefoxx> Meshezabeel: idk what to do w/o it. cept play dnd
[03:38]  * calc didn't realize all his other channels were hidden, or they didn't show up in bluefoxx /whois for some reason
[03:38] <dotech> linkinxp: i know how to execute a compiler, sure
[03:38] <bluefoxx> Don_Miguel: defragging whot?
[03:38] <Meshezabeel> bluefoxx, haha
[03:38] <dotech> bluefoxx: your unused memory blocks
[03:38] <x1250> :)
[03:39] <linkinxp> dotech,  what u understand from this? http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html
[03:39] <bluefoxx> dotech: lol. nope. about 40 unused RAM modules/sticks
[03:39] <dotech> bluefoxx: ahh, gotchya
[03:39] <dotech> linkinxp: you need git, the VCS
[03:40] <Meshezabeel> calc, I still remember back when html first came out, I founded the #html channel on dalnet, kind of weird to think about it now.
[03:40] <linkinxp> dotech,  i installed git whats vcs?
[03:40] <dotech> linkinxp: version control system
[03:40] <bluefoxx> i wanna use a VCR and VHS tape for storage meda XP or a audio cassette tape
[03:40] <dotech> linkinxp: basically just where the software is stored and maintained
[03:40] <bluefoxx> and not just for audio and vidio >P
[03:40] <linkinxp> dotech,  okey how i compile that?
[03:40] <DanaG> Hmm, HL2 under Wine has severe input brokenness.
[03:40] <bluefoxx> i mean actual data, like text docs and such
[03:40] <DanaG> It gets keys stuck.
[03:40] <dotech> linkinxp: there's a link at the top of that page to 22:38 < bluefoxx> Don_Miguel: defragging whot?
[03:40] <bluefoxx> DanaG: that happens.
[03:40] <calc> Meshezabeel: Meshezabeel eh html was around a long time before dalnet
[03:40] <dotech> err, not what i meant to paste
[03:41] <calc> sorry for double completion
[03:41] <dotech> linkinxp: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/install.html
[03:41] <ogre> hey, my computer froze during update now its saying i have updates but the update manager errors out. how do i fix this?
[03:41] <DanaG> I press 'w' and it keeps going and going and going and (energizer bunny)
[03:41] <calc> html - aug 1991, dalnet - jul 1994
[03:41] <linkinxp> dotech,  i know but omg its confusing idk if im doing it ok and idk what should happen
[03:41] <bluefoxx> DanaG: i fixed it by enableing bounce keys
[03:41] <bluefoxx> DanaG: same.
[03:41] <dotech> linkinxp: if you just follow the instructions one at a time it should work
[03:42] <linkinxp> dotech,  okeydoki let me see
[03:42] <dotech> linkinxp: is this not in synaptic or something?
[03:42] <linkinxp> dotech,  nop ;(
[03:42] <bluefoxx> girrr. i hate 905 callers -. - damn telemarketers. they need to get real jobs.
[03:43] <Meshezabeel> calc, well I mean when html became official in the mid 90s
[03:44] <calc> Meshezabeel: ah ok
[03:44] <linkinxp> hey guys whats ubuntu desktop?
[03:44] <linkinxp> its the whole thing?
[03:44] <dotech> linkinxp: looks like i have a bunch of mesa packages in synaptic, many of which are installed
[03:44] <linkinxp> synaptic its asking me to uninstall that to install other mesa thing\
[03:44] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: that's illegal. $500 per incident
[03:45] <linkinxp> dotech,  im looking yea
[03:45] <calc> i hung around efnet from feb 1995 (when i got net access) until around jun 1998 when i switched to opn (now freenode)
[03:45] <bluefoxx> ?
[03:45] <linkinxp> dotech,  and one of them says unistall ubuntu desktop
[03:45] <linkinxp> ?
[03:45] <dotech> that doesnt sound like a good idea
[03:45] <linkinxp> no hu
[03:45] <linkinxp> "D
[03:45] <bluefoxx> huh?
[03:45] <icanhasadmin> calc: you're old
[03:45] <calc> bluefoxx: i got grandcentral for my home number, i can call block anyone i want, its great :)
[03:45] <calc> icanhasadmin: yea
[03:46]  * bluefoxx is confused
[03:46] <calc> icanhasadmin: i was mentioning earlier that i probably have had my nick longer than people in this channel have been alive ;-)
[03:46]  * bluefoxx was spaced out again
[03:46] <icanhasadmin> calc: lol maybe
[03:46]  * bluefoxx was staring at a mesmerizing visualization
[03:47] <dotech> adios amigos
[03:47] <linkinxp> chao
[03:47] <linkinxp> cuidate no te mojes :D
[03:47] <dotech> oyasuminasai
[03:47] <calc> just a few min of building left, i need a faster pc, argh
[03:47] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: whats illegal?
[03:48] <linkinxp> calc,  how i know which drivers im i using?
[03:48] <calc> an octocore 10GHz computer please :)
[03:48] <dotech> quad core 3.6ghz is nice
[03:48] <linkinxp> dotech,  to make sure where i can see that?
[03:48] <calc> linkinxp: driver for what?
[03:48] <linkinxp> video
[03:48] <calc> dotech: yea that would be helpful
[03:48]  * calc is trying to hold out and make his current pc last for 3 years
[03:48] <bluefoxx> overclocked celeron d at 3.3 to 3.7[depending on hardware im usin]
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: telemarkers calling after 9pm in america
[03:49] <Jordan_U> For some reason my sound won't go through my headphone jack, and plugging in headphones doesn't mute the internal speakers
[03:49] <calc> i have a E6300 @2.8GHz
[03:49] <dotech> linkinxp: i see my drivers if i do System->Administration->Hardware Drivers
[03:49] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: ah. im in van, so its 7:40 here
[03:49] <dotech> that shows proprietary drivers, my nvidia drivers
[03:49] <linkinxp> dotech,  mine its empty :o
[03:49] <dotech> you're 100% free software then, congrats :)
[03:49] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: i though you were talking about something i said while spaced out[which i dont think i did XD]
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: oh lol
[03:50] <dotech> anyone else here listen to Sirius on their computer?
[03:50] <linkinxp> dotech,  :D thanks where its the Text file that stores the drivers info?
[03:50] <linkinxp> dotech,  POD here
[03:50] <dotech> I was thinking of porting the interface for one of the popular OS X clients to GTK
[03:50] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: i was worried about a banhammer or trout-slap >.  <
[03:50] <dotech> and use Sipie as the backend
[03:50] <dotech> Sipie's GUI is a bit, er... lacking
[03:50] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: or worse, a lart
[03:50] <keanu> is there a tool to display lame mp3 bitrates?  i know file.mp3 -> Properties -> Audio/Video has it, but it doesn't display VBRs
[03:50] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: O.o?
[03:51]  * bluefoxx has only had as much internets as he wants for a year
[03:51] <bluefoxx> keanu: errr...xmms should if you look at song properties...
[03:51] <dotech> linkinxp: i would check the Ubuntu forums for your video chipset
[03:51] <calc> keanu: mp3info maybe, i haven't used it though
[03:51] <linkinxp> dotech,  okey thanks
[03:51] <dotech> linkinxp: someone must have already tried to install on that graphics card
[03:52] <calc> keanu: its in universe
[03:52]  * bluefoxx will be back shortly...biological reasons.
[03:52] <linkinxp> dotech,  i guest
[03:52] <RAOF> linkinxp: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what driver X is using.
[03:52] <RAOF> (Among other things)
[03:52] <linkinxp> humm
[03:52] <linkinxp> let me see
[03:54] <edoceo> Greetings!
[03:54] <edoceo> Recently after upgrading to Hardy my FireFox has lost it's Application associations, the whole list is gone!
[03:54] <edoceo> A fresh install of Kubuntu Hardy (in my VirtualBox) has a number of items in the list, where did mine go?
[03:55]  * bluefoxx is back
[03:55] <edoceo> It's toased my list on two machines
[03:56] <dotech> i think my mouse problems are related to rdesktop
[03:57] <edoceo> dotech: I've had rdesktop capture my mouse from every application when I had it running too!
[03:58] <RAOF> What annoying level of my audio stack is sending pulseaudio SIGXCPU?
[03:58] <dotech> edoceo: the weird thing is that its like 30% of my mouse clicks seem to be ignored
[03:58] <dotech> not a complete loss of control
[03:58] <edoceo> I has lost everything - but could click in rdesktop and could close that application
[03:58] <dotech> hmm
[03:59] <edoceo> Then my mouse was back!  That was a few updates ago (I'm updating nightly)
[03:59] <DanaG> Handy thing: allowungrab
[03:59] <DanaG> in xorg.conf.
[03:59] <Jordan_U> For some reason my sound won't go through my headphone jack, and plugging in headphones doesn't mute the internal speakers
[03:59] <DanaG> I think that's the name.  It lets you ctrl-alt-num_slash
[03:59] <dotech> edoceo: what happens now when you use rdesktop?
[03:59] <edoceo> DanaG: that's a custom window setting right?
[03:59] <DanaG> BUT: it also lets people bypass xscreensaver's lock.
[03:59] <DanaG> Thus, it's a relatively big security vulnerability.
[04:00] <dotech> i closed rdesktop and my mouse seems to work now
[04:01] <dotech> wow, still some weird things going on
[04:01] <dotech> if i click ont eh desktop and hold the button so i can drag a box, if i move the mouse pointer around between my 3 monitors the box randomly closes and restarts
[04:02] <Meshezabeel> I keep having npviewer.bin crashing on me, anyone else been having this problem lately?
[04:02] <dotech> yep
[04:02] <Meshezabeel> ok, thanks :)
[04:02] <diefordethklok> hello all, does the rt73(rt71) how to work in the hardy  beta? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236
[04:02] <edoceo> Krita has been crashy as well
[04:02] <sivel27> hello all
[04:03] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: alt+f2 metacity --replace <-- is a temperary fix to your issue
[04:03] <sivel27> so im in a jam. fresh install of heron, ati 9700 pro + restricted drivers +32 lcd = logging into a white screen
[04:03] <dotech> 32?
[04:03] <sivel27> the only way is through gnome fail safe term
[04:03] <dotech> i'm using 3 and it seems ok
[04:03] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: output of fglrxinfo please
[04:04] <sivel27> ok one sec
[04:04] <sivel27> is there a default shortcut to open up a terminal?
[04:04] <icanhasadmin> alt+f2 xterm
[04:04] <sivel27> ok thanks
[04:04]  * RAOF prefers alt+f2 gnome-terminal
[04:05] <sivel27> dsd
[04:05]  * icanhasadmin thinks in this situation it doesn't matter
[04:05] <dotech> can someone run a test for me?
[04:05] <sivel27> hmm no such luck\
[04:05] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: what do you mean?
[04:05] <dotech> use the mouse and drag a highlight box on your desktop and hold it
[04:05] <dotech> see if it disappears within 10 seconds
[04:05] <sivel27> i did the alt+f2, but no term popped up
[04:05] <dotech> or move the mouse around while you hold it and see if it keeps redrawing it in different spots
[04:05] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: wait, are you in a white screen?
[04:06] <sivel27> no, im in the fail-safe gnome terminal right now
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: weell ctrl+alt+f1-f6 are differnt terminals
[04:06] <sivel27> the white screen come if i log into regular gnome
[04:08] <keanu> calc, mp3info wasn't exactly what i was looking for (was looking for something to output v0, v2, etc) but it'll work - thanks
[04:08] <x0x> «HeLLo» «EvErY» «OnE» «« x0x »» «Iz» «BaCk» «To» «RoCk» «YouR» «HeArT» «AgAiN»   ABC Script
[04:08] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: ctrl+alt+f1 will get you to a term.. i need the output of fglrxinfo
[04:08] <x0x> what is ubuntu+1 ?
[04:09] <TheBurninator> hey guys i have a question about the hardy beta
[04:09] <spiniker> hello
[04:09] <TheBurninator> i have been running it for a while now
[04:09] <sivel27b> wow, i "booted" myself into a whole screen terminal now
[04:09] <sivel27b> how do i get back to the fail-safe gnome from here?
[04:09] <icanhasadmin> yeah, ctrl+alt+f7 to get back
[04:09] <TheBurninator> if i keep updating it, will i have to upgrade when the final version comes out or will i basically have the final version from the updates?
[04:09] <sivel27b> thanks
[04:09] <sivel27> excellent, thanks
[04:10] <spiniker> im planning to dual boot ubuntu(hardy beta) and xp but i only have 80g hd,can i partition it,i still wouldlike to keep xp for my games..
[04:11] <sivel27> i do apologize, as when i do the ctrl+alt+f1 combo, it kicks me out of the gui, and into a full screen terminal
[04:11] <spiniker> im just not very good on how to do the partitions,can i put ubuntu on 20g and 60 on xp?
[04:11] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: yes it's suppose to do that. now in the terminal you can type fglrxinfo for me please
[04:12] <sivel27> the problem is that it cant do it, as theres noe "gui" just a big terminal
[04:12] <akk> spiniker: My gutsy machine with tons of stuff installed is using 6.7G (on a root partition of 12G, more than I need)
[04:12] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: yes. a big terminal is good. login like it asks, then fglrxinfo
[04:12] <sivel27> one sec, let me try again
[04:12] <sivel27> ok
[04:13] <akk> spiniker: Allow about 8G per root partition, make two or three of them and leave a partition for yourself (whatever music and pictures and stuff you need)
[04:13] <akk> spiniker: or if you're keeping XP, you could even leave your pix and stuff on the XP partition
[04:13] <sivel27> ok, when i type in the fglrx command. it says "unable to open display" NULL
[04:14] <DanaG> I started with a 10G root; that's enough for lots of stuff.
[04:14] <DanaG> And you can always re-resize later.
[04:14] <icanhasadmin> oh that's interesting.
[04:14] <calc> keanu: you probably can't find out the v# unless lame encodes it into the text somewhere
[04:15] <sivel27> is there a shortcut for ,say eterm or xterm, without booting me out of the screen?
[04:15] <spiniker> akk:i know how to do the dual boot,the partitioning problem is what im facing,my hd had 2 partition back then,C:/60 and E:/20
[04:15] <akk> spiniker: That's why I was giving recommended sizes -- I thought that was what you were asking for
[04:15] <quentusrex> How do I share a printer from my Hardy system to a window xp system?
[04:15] <keanu> calc, in dbpoweramp (windows) it seems to identify between cbr and vbr (v0, v2, apx, aps) so it's probably somewhere n the text
[04:15] <calc> uploading openoffice.org_2.4.0-3ubuntu2.dsc now
[04:15] <spiniker> yes i know..
[04:16] <calc> keanu: oh interesting
[04:16] <DanaG> Aargh, Wine through PulseAudio seems to present only a mono stream.
[04:16] <calc> keanu: you could conceivably figure it out if you compared a histogram of the bitrates to what lame uses for its v#'s (if its not encoded)
[04:16] <akk> don't forget a separate /boot partition (mine is too small at 67M, keeps filling up with kernels)
[04:16] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: not that i know of. please get me the output of 'glxinfo | grep direct'
[04:16] <quentusrex> Anyone know how to share a printer from Hardy to Windows XP?
[04:16] <keanu> calc, yeah
[04:17] <RAOF> DanaG: Presents a stereo stream here (but doesn't work correctly)
[04:17] <dotech> quentusrex: samba
[04:17] <sivel27> ok
[04:17] <calc> keanu: so it could be that dbpoweramp is either reading something or determining it on its own
[04:17] <DanaG> What are you trying to do with VBR?
[04:17] <DanaG> The app Winamp can show realtime VBR, rather than just average.
[04:17] <quentusrex> dotech, I'm asking how Hardy would get samba to share the printer?
[04:17] <calc> keanu: and thats even assuming you can determine what actually encoded the mp3 to begin with
[04:17] <dotech> quentusrex: not sure if there's a GUI for it or not
[04:18] <xShad0w___> im having some problems getting ubuntu to work on vmware (fusion)
[04:18] <xShad0w___> basically mouse doesn't work but i checked the xorg.conf and the vmware mouse is setup correctly inside
[04:19] <quentusrex> dotech, then if there isn't. then is there a walkthrough for this?
[04:19] <xShad0w___> (after vmware tools install which didn't go so smoothly but seems like its working)
[04:19] <DanaG> Argh, FF3 always takes ages to close.
[04:19] <DanaG> I usually give up and say "yes" to force-quit.
[04:20] <dotech> quentusrex: yea there must be, i would just google for "ubuntu samba printer"
[04:20] <keanu> calc, other windows programs (such as mr. questionman) can also determine it, so i'm sure it's encoded somewhere.  opening up an mp3 in nano (easiest thing I had access to) showed that "LAME 3.90" does appear in the file though
[04:21] <calc> keanu: ah ok, well you could run 'strings' on the file and see if it is encoded somewhere
[04:21] <dotech> quentusrex: im actually sharing a printer on a Vista machine, using it on OS X Leopard and Ubuntu
[04:21] <sivel27> quit
[04:21] <keanu> calc, heh, i always forget about strings
[04:22] <dotech> damnit
[04:22] <dotech> im using xev to watch my X events
[04:22] <sivel27> help quit
[04:22] <dotech> i click in the box, hold the click, and mouse my mouse all around the screen
[04:22] <dotech> randomly it gets a "ButtonRelease" event
[04:22] <dotech> yet i never let go of the button!
[04:23] <DanaG> E: memblock.c: Assertion 'pa_atomic_load(&(b)->_ref) > 0' failed at pulsecore/memblock.c:538, function pa_memblock_unref(). Aborting.
[04:23] <DanaG> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:23] <dotech> no refs, not good
[04:23] <dotech> double free maybe
[04:24] <xShad0w___> anyone know the correct xorg.conf settings for two finger right click on symantec touchpad's
[04:24] <sivel27> ok, it said something about mesa
[04:24] <DanaG> synaptics, you mean?
[04:24] <xShad0w___> lol yea
[04:24] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[04:24] <DanaG> Lots of nifty stuff for synaptics there.
[04:24] <DanaG> (That's my web space through my school.)
[04:25] <xShad0w___> wow palmdetect, woah didn't know synaptics had so many settings
[04:25] <xShad0w___> whats gsynaptics, i was having some problems with the FingerHigh and FingerLow for two finger scroll
[04:25] <sivel27> mesa 3d rather
[04:26] <DanaG> gsynaptics is a package that has a GUI to configure a few more touchpad thingies.
[04:26] <Meshezabeel> quentusrex, http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid39_gci1250451,00.html
[04:26] <x0x> «HeLLo» «EvErY» «OnE» «« x0x »» «Iz» «BaCk» «To» «RoCk» «YouR» «HeArT» «AgAiN»   ABC Script
[04:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, watch out for horizontal scrolling: by default, it's "Forward" and "Back" in Firefox.
[04:26] <x0x> i am sorry
[04:26] <Boohbah> x0x: are you using windows?
[04:26] <x0x> yes
[04:27] <xShad0w___> DanaG: well i did change the values, altho some were missing/already set in FF beta4, but it still was a little jerky sometimes
[04:27] <x0x> my pc is windows
[04:27] <x0x> my server is ubuntu
[04:27] <x0x> i need ftpd on my server.
[04:27] <calc> x0x: ssh, screen, and irssi are great together :)
[04:28] <x0x> ???
[04:28] <x0x> oh yeah :D
[04:28] <calc> ssh is secure shell remote login
[04:28] <x0x> but how to upload files? :S
[04:29] <calc> screen allows you to run multiple console sessions in one window (and detach while it runs)
[04:29] <calc> x0x: ssh, scp
[04:29] <calc> x0x: search for something called pscp.exe
[04:29] <sivel27> dds
[04:29] <calc> or you could install samba on your server to have windows have direct access
[04:30] <dotech> damn, edoceo left
[04:30] <x0x> i found it
[04:30] <dotech> i wanted to ask him if he had "focus-follows-pointer" on
[04:30]  * x0x wants ftpd
[04:30] <x0x> coz i am going to sell shells
[04:30] <iMatter> i still need help with my USB hdd problem
[04:30] <sarixe> hi, i just got a wireless n router to go with my laptop that has intel wireless n.  however, when i view the Connection information, it says it's 54 Mb/s. how do i get it to use N speeds?
[04:30] <iMatter> how exactly do you sell shells..
[04:31] <calc> x0x: ssh/scp is equivalent to encrypted ftp
[04:31] <calc> well there is sftp also
[04:31] <iMatter> hes going to shell sells
[04:31] <iMatter> calc: sftp?
[04:32] <calc> iMatter: uses ssh to do encrypted ftp
[04:32] <calc> iMatter: there is a sftp command line util or you can type ctrl-l sftp: in your nautilus window
[04:33] <calc> wel sftp://hostname/
[04:33] <iMatter> i have proftpd
[04:33] <calc> iMatter: do you have openssh-server installed?
[04:33] <iMatter> calc: yes
[04:33] <calc> iMatter: then you have sftp also
[04:34] <x0x> E: Couldn't find package proftpd
[04:34] <x0x> i m using x.10
[04:34] <iMatter> calc: Is there a way to put computer in DMZ without messing with router settings...?
[04:34] <dotech> xev shows that i'm getting spontaneous ButtonRelease events from my mouse while i hold it down, i'm in trouble
[04:34] <calc> x0x: its in universe
[04:34] <dotech> iMatter: no
[04:35] <sarixe> iMatter : no way
[04:35] <dotech> iMatter: if you have upnp you can open ports on the fly
[04:35] <calc> iMatter: no
[04:35] <iMatter> How can i get upnp?
[04:35]  * calc hopes this upload passes
[04:35] <dotech> iMatter: it would have to be built into your router
[04:35] <iMatter> i still need to edit router stuff dont i...
[04:35] <dotech> no
[04:36] <dotech> upnp allows for dynamic port forwarding changes
[04:36] <iMatter> Ok well how does this work
[04:36] <calc> if upnp is built into your router you just have to make sure it is enabled
[04:36] <iMatter> i think i have it
[04:36] <dotech> assuming it was enabled
[04:36] <x0x> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR PPLZ I BADLY NEED A FTPD ON MY SERVER. do you READ me?
[04:36] <calc> if it is then you just need programs that do upnp to open ports
[04:36] <iMatter> x0x: Use LAMP
[04:36] <dotech> x0x: glftpd
[04:36] <x0x> what is lamp?
[04:36] <RAOF> x0x: sudo aptitude install vsftpd.  Done.
[04:36] <iMatter> ok what program?
[04:37] <iMatter> Linux Apache Mysql P.....
[04:37] <sarixe> php
[04:37] <sarixe> perl
[04:37] <iMatter> yea
[04:37] <iMatter> Php
[04:37] <calc> iMatter: dunno, i don't run ftpd, i just use ssh
[04:37] <x0x> i already have vsftpd installed
[04:37] <RAOF> x0x: Then you have a ftp server.
[04:37] <calc> and i have access to my router so i open the port directly
[04:37] <iMatter> calc: I mean the upnp thing...?
[04:37] <x0x> but its doesnt work
[04:37] <calc> iMatter: programs that support it works automatically at least on my router
[04:37] <RAOF> x0x: So, presumably you need help configuring it.  I'd suggest google.
[04:37] <calc> iMatter: eg transmission uses it
[04:38] <iMatter> calc: Cant some Bittorrent things do it?
[04:38] <iMatter> :/ opens transmissions
[04:38] <calc> yes transmission is a bittorrent client
[04:38] <sarixe> anyone know how to get iwl4965 to run at N speed?
[04:38] <calc> azureus does upnp also
[04:38] <iMatter> how can i use it to my advantage....
[04:38] <RAOF> x0x: You'll also be interested in the /etc/vsftpd.conf file.
[04:39] <calc> iMatter: just run it and it will open the port using upnp automatically
[04:39] <dotech> ButtonRelease event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x3600001, bah!!!
[04:39]  * calc bbl
[04:39] <iMatter> calc: I mean the port 21 and 80 so i can have FTP and Http Server
[04:40] <RAOF> x0x: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html is likely to help, too.
[04:40] <calc> iMatter: don't know for those, typically people open those ports directly on a router since they need to stay open permanently
[04:40] <thompa> jimiridge: hey was it you who gave me the madwifi patch link. cheers
[04:40] <calc> iMatter: and the ports for those don't change like with bittorrent
[04:40] <iMatter> it says the port is open :/
[04:40] <iMatter> Transmissions
[04:40] <thompa> ahteros 5007 works, just had to remove all the restricted stuff first
[04:41] <x0x> tnx RAOF
[04:41] <HorizonXP> hey
[04:41] <iMatter> well my problem is i dont have access to my router :/
[04:41] <HorizonXP> how do I get gnome-panel to autohide completely?
[04:42] <sarixe> iMatter : you shouldn't be messin' with a router that's not yours to admin
[04:43] <iMatter> sarixe: My router doesnt have a configuration interface
[04:43] <x0x> RAOF where do i set home dir?
[04:43] <sarixe> o
[04:43] <calc> iMatter: buy a new one?
[04:43] <sarixe> silly me, then
[04:43] <iMatter> :/...
[04:43] <sarixe> rather, silly router
[04:43] <iMatter> this one is like old faitfull
[04:43] <iMatter> had it for years
[04:43] <calc> iMatter: preferrably one that isn't crap ;-)
[04:43] <sarixe> what kind of router has no config?
[04:43] <sarixe> a bad one
[04:43] <bazhang> dd-wrt then
[04:43] <calc> iMatter: what kind of router is it?
[04:44] <iMatter> Poop
[04:44] <iMatter> it has bad bandswith..
[04:44] <iMatter> if i bought Fios Internet...itd push out 1kb/s
[04:45] <calc> grr my uploads still hang with 1KB left via ftp :\
[04:45]  * calc has to reupload using ssh
[04:46] <iMatter> calc: i throught with ftp you could just drag and drop files?
[04:46] <calc> iMatter: you can do that with ssh, ftp, webdav, etc anything that gnome supports
[04:46] <calc> i'm uploading openoffice to ubuntu via ftp using dput
[04:46] <iMatter> then why are you Uploading?
[04:46] <iMatter> OH!
[04:47] <calc> it hung so i have to upload it to another server with ssh then dput it from there
[04:47] <bluefoxx> does anyone else here hate tooltips as much as me? i think all programs should have an option that turns them off... especially cpu hogs like frostwire/limewire and other java apps.
[04:48] <calc> does anyone else hate java apps as much as me? ;-)
[04:48] <akk> calc: yes
[04:48] <iMatter> ;p
[04:48] <calc> just delete any java app that helps solve the problem ;-)
[04:48] <x0x> java sucks
[04:48] <x0x> lol
[04:48] <calc> and the foss jre is too buggy
[04:49]  * DanaG luuuurves dd-wrt.
[04:49]  * Hydrogen likes tha java apps
[04:49] <DanaG> Yay, QoS!
[04:49] <bluefoxx> nooooo no no. i need frostwire. cant live w/o it.
[04:49] <Hydrogen> but
[04:49] <DanaG> Run BT on a specific port, and set it to Bulk priority.
[04:49] <Hydrogen> p2p apps should diaf
[04:49] <calc> DanaG: does the dd-wrt site work for you? i tried going there and it wouldn't pull up
[04:49] <bluefoxx> it sux, but it gives me my fix...
[04:49] <iMatter> DanaG: dd-wrt
[04:49] <iMatter> ?"
[04:50] <calc> iMatter: dd-wrt is firmware for wireless AP
[04:50] <iMatter> calc: Oh So you can use devices on computer as a router...? maybe i should do that..
[04:50] <bluefoxx> well, at least its letting me type in the 'artist' box whear as feisty/gutsy it kept jumping the active field back to 'title'
[04:51] <bluefoxx> java and tk are bloated and buggy
[04:51] <calc> iMatter: er no its a firmware for a REAL router
[04:51] <iMatter> oh...
[04:51] <calc> not something running on a pc
[04:51] <bluefoxx> calc: open source firmware?
[04:51] <calc> bluefoxx: yes
[04:51] <Hydrogen> bluefoxx: and then you take a step further down on the chain and reach gtk...
[04:51] <iMatter> oh is it better firmware or something?
[04:51] <calc> though the site appears to be dead :(
[04:51] <DanaG> just plain http://dd-wrt  or the .com?
[04:52] <calc> iMatter: yea much better than default firmware for the linksys routers (and various other ones based on broadcom, etc)
[04:52] <calc> DanaG: dd-wrt.com doesn't work for me
[04:52] <DanaG> Linksys now sucks; they cheapened out on the RAM.
[04:52] <calc> DanaG: dd-wrt.com is the url that should work, but it doesn't :(
[04:52] <bluefoxx> calc: will it work on a 2002 hdwr rev:c dlink di-624 wireless router?
[04:52] <calc> bluefoxx: no idea
[04:53] <calc> i have a linksys wrt54g which it works on
[04:53]  * bluefoxx loves using open source firmwarez just to stick it to the companies[less they actually support open source]
[04:53] <calc> well the reason it works on linksys is because linksys uses linux for their router
[04:54] <bluefoxx> i would go linksys[and will once i can afford to, turning my current one into a access point/switch/hub] but im sticking with the dlink di604 and di624 routers i got free
[04:54] <bluefoxx> for now
[04:55] <xcnd> I have recently installed my file server with Ubuntu 8.04 and am trying to access the HOME directories via my laptop with 8.04. I can "see" the "homes" folder in the SMB:// folder but I can't access them, can anyone help?
[04:56] <b4l74z4r> which application font size in ubuntu does most people use?
[04:56] <xcnd> b4l74z4r, default is set to 10, so I assume that.
[04:57]  * iMatter Java Lags me especially Frostwire
[04:57] <DanaG> Linksys doesn't use Linux any longer on the base models.
[04:57] <DanaG> They use VxWorks.
[04:57] <b4l74z4r> xcnd, i found 10 too big so i turned down to 8
[04:57] <akk> I would have guessed it's bigger than 10 here, but I don't know how to find out (gnome defaults are hidden so well)
[04:57] <DanaG> And they strip the memory down to "lame".
[05:00] <xcnd> Can anyone help with my SAMBA problem?
[05:02] <calc> hmm there is a 24rc7 of dd-wrt too bad the site is down i could use it
[05:02]  * calc hopes it fixes the ftp problem
[05:05]  * DanaG has a WHR-G125.
[05:06] <DanaG> And if I were to get another router, I'd probably import one from somewhere else just to spite that company that picked on Buffalo.
[05:06] <DanaG> If I were the courts, I would've said this:
[05:06] <DanaG> "Why are you suing just Buffalo?  If you want to sue ONE manufacturer for using WiFi, you must sue ALL of them!"  (Muhahahaha!)
[05:08] <nonix4> Darn... initrd creation doesn't handle raid6? :( Put one of them as part of the LVM setup, now it just hangs on boot waiting for that part of the LVM to appear although it isn't even trying to make it to... :(
[05:13] <xcnd> I'm trying to gain access to the home folders on an Ubuntu 8.04 server from an Ubuntu 8.04 laptop. I can see the "homes" folder but can't gain access to it, can anyone offer some help here?
[05:15] <iMatter> * Connecting to localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>) port 6667...
[05:15] <iMatter> * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused :/
[05:15] <iMatter> it just worked not 10 seconds ago..
[05:16] <bluefoxx> girr,...7 minutes for 11mb
[05:16] <bluefoxx> i hate my net connection
[05:20] <iMatter> bluefoxx: What you up to?
[05:21] <bluefoxx> iMatter: downloading varios junk. its my internet connection. high speed light. uggh. my grandfather refuses to upgrade tofull high speed for only $5 a month[including the ditching of modem rental]
[05:22] <calc> bluefoxx: so pay him for it? :)
[05:23] <iMatter> :P
[05:24] <bluefoxx> calc: i would, but no job and he gives me my allowance >. >
[05:25] <iMatter> LOL
[05:25] <iMatter> bluefoxx: Use your Allowance to pay :P
[05:25] <iMatter> as i used to say once it hits my hand its MINE!
[05:25] <iMatter> no indiana johnes givers
[05:26] <bluefoxx> iMatter: XD. maybe ill try that oncei replace my dying nvidia[damaged but not destroyed transistor]'
[05:27] <iMatter> :/
[05:28] <iMatter> im serious :P
[05:28] <iMatter> i used to snatch the money and run for dear life
[05:28] <iMatter> alas it was only 200$ back then
[05:29] <iMatter> thats about 85.5 Euros
[05:30] <Davo_Dinkum> ok, so ive dist-upgraded from dapper to hardy. i ran the hardware testing tool. is that all the bug reporting needed?
[05:31] <Davo_Dinkum> i'd like to report as many bugs as possible to help with LTS upgrades
[05:31] <jimmygoon> I still can't connect to certain FTP sites
[05:32] <iMatter> hardware test tool...
[05:32] <iMatter> Davo_Dinkum: Hardy also has a error detection and sending reports to devs tool called rapport i think when an error accours asks if you want to send to devs
[05:32] <Davo_Dinkum> ah ok
[05:35] <xcnd> Can _anyone_ help with SAMBA across two Ubuntu installs?
[05:54] <Patricio> hola
[05:54] <Patricio> hola
[05:54] <Patricio> hola
[05:55] <iMatter> it seems like my thinking light comes on WAAY more offen in linux than Windows :/
[05:55] <Patricio> hay alguien ally?
[05:55] <iMatter> almost anything that uses internet makes it think hard and long
[05:55] <iMatter> opening firefox is Killer
[05:55] <iMatter> takes 2mins
[05:56] <Patricio> mm
[05:56] <Patricio> hola
[05:57] <iMatter> like 30 seconds less without Compiz...
[05:57] <iMatter> i was like WHOAH 30 seconds
[05:57] <Patricio> alguien que hable espanol
[05:57] <bazhang> !es
[05:57] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:57] <Patricio> mmm
[05:58] <Hydrogen> do the lang channels do +1 support?
[05:59] <AutoMatriX> Hi folks, I'm having a lot of troubvle syncing myn mobile phone with my laptop ... to whon should I address the question to write an easy to configurate add-onn for Evolution ?
[06:03]  * AutoMatriX forgot to say that the sycnhro of Evolution/Nokiia should be via IR and not via BT or cable
[06:04] <xShad0w> can someone link me to the default xorg.conf for hardy, i need to check something
[06:04] <xShad0w> or where to find it
[06:05] <Davo_Dinkum>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:06] <shirish> anybody knows what should I fill in localhost:631 for authentication?
[06:06] <shirish> I get this message
[06:06] <shirish>  A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS"
[06:07] <Davo_Dinkum> try 'root' or 'admin'
[06:07] <xShad0w> Davo_Dinkum, i meant like an online version, i just need to see the default one that comes with hardy
[06:07] <akk> shirish: cups usually seems to want your user password, not root's (assuming you're a user who has group permissions for printing stuff)
[06:08] <Davo_Dinkum> !xorg
[06:08] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:09] <shirish> Davo_Dinkum: akk: thanx guys, it worked.
[06:09] <xShad0w> im actually having problems with the mouse, weird but i think its not setup correctly in xorg
[06:10] <HorizonXP> hey
[06:10] <HorizonXP> how do I test updates to see if they'll break my system or not?
[06:10] <jimiridge> dont think thats an option
[06:10] <HorizonXP> .... :(
[06:10] <DanaG> Argh, Wine and PulseAudio don't get along.
[06:11] <HorizonXP> have the recent updates broken anything?
[06:11] <jimiridge> i'm waiting till tomorrow night
[06:11] <jimiridge> end of patch tuesday
[06:11] <jimiridge> lots of updates after tues ussually
[06:11] <RAOF> DanaG: Yup.  I could have told you that :P
[06:12] <jimiridge> and if something breaks big time it might be just a few hours before another update fixes it
[06:12] <DanaG> And I can't make Wine use surround51:1.
[06:12] <DanaG> It instead gives this:
[06:12] <DanaG> DirectSoundCreate: ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback (winealsa.drv)
[06:12] <DanaG> DirectSound error: DirectSoundCreate DSERR_INVALIDPARAM: 80070057h
[06:13] <DanaG> Where the interface is the WRONG ONE!
[06:14] <sami> Hi! can anyone tell how to locate cause of hardy heron´s lockups, because i can´t find anything useful from dmesg and normal logs? I get very bad lockups when using some gnome programs, like gedit, update-manager etc..
[06:15] <DanaG> Anybody here use Wine with an emu10k1 card?
[06:25] <Davo_Dinkum> Why doesn't ctrl+alt+F1 work?
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Davo_Dinkum: umm... it does. Waht on earth do you really mean?
[06:28] <Davo_Dinkum> it doesnt switch to a console
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Yes it does - what  kernel are you running?
[06:28] <no0tic> it does pretty well here
[06:29] <thoreauputic> there was a framebuffer issue, but it's fixed now in hardy
[06:29] <Davo_Dinkum> ah
[06:29] <thoreauputic> also a fonts issue
[06:29] <dooglus> what's the package to get (sun) java working with firefox?
[06:29] <Davo_Dinkum> i have framebuffer on
[06:29] <no0tic> dooglus, sun-java6-plugin ^
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Davo_Dinkum: and which kernel verison? ( uname -r )
[06:30] <thoreauputic> *version
[06:30] <dooglus> no0tic: it doesn't contain anything but empty dirs and a symlink?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it's a metapackkage IIRC
[06:30] <Davo_Dinkum> 2.6.24-15-386
[06:30] <no0tic> Davo_Dinkum, try using -generic
[06:30] <dooglus> Depends: libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxp6, libxtst6, sun-java6-bin (= 6-05-0ubuntu1), xulrunner-1.9
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Davo_Dinkum: then that's very odd - 2.6.24-15-386 works fine here
[06:31] <Davo_Dinkum> uname -generic ?
[06:31] <dooglus> thoreauputic: -15 won't boot here at all
[06:31] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'm still on -14 as a result
[06:31] <no0tic> Davo_Dinkum, no linux-image-generic
[06:31] <thoreauputic> dooglus: oh dear :(
[06:31] <Davo_Dinkum> oh in the grub menu?
[06:31] <dooglus> thoreauputic: never mind - I don't suppose anything much really changed
[06:31] <thoreauputic> dooglus: must still be some unresolved hardware issues
[06:32] <no0tic> Davo_Dinkum, yes
[06:32] <Davo_Dinkum> oh so it's a grub boot line option. ok
[06:32] <no0tic> no, it's a different kernel build
[06:32] <thoreauputic> dooglus: install the sun jre as well as the plugin ifthe plugin doesn't pull it in
[06:33] <Davo_Dinkum> oh
[06:33] <Davo_Dinkum> anyone gotten icedtea working?
[06:33] <iMatter> Why does Firefox Use so much Ram?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> dooglus: but I think the -bin package in the depends grabs the jre too
[06:34] <iMatter> its using more ram than any proccess on my computer
[06:34] <RAOF> iMatter: Copious cache is a big part of it.
[06:35] <iMatter> is there a way to flush it?
[06:35] <iMatter> so it goes down
[06:35] <RAOF> Yup.  Fill up your RAM.
[06:35] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I had everything I needed installed - all I had to do was link /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/libjavaplugin.so into my plugins directory
[06:35] <akk> you can make the cache way smaller in edit->preferences
[06:35] <akk> or "clear cache now"
[06:35] <thoreauputic> dooglus: OK that's one way to do it I guess :) The hard way ;-)
[06:36] <Davo_Dinkum> i dont see a generic kernel to boot from
[06:36] <dooglus> thoreauputic: is there an easier way?
[06:36] <Davo_Dinkum> no0tic:
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Davo_Dinkum: you might need to install linux-generic
[06:37] <Davo_Dinkum> oh
[06:37] <shinynew> hello I recently updated and lost my wireless card
[06:37] <shinynew> doesn't show up in the restricted drivers nor network-admin
[06:37] <no0tic> Davo_Dinkum, install linux-image-generic or linux-generic as thoreauputic told you :)
[06:37] <ravingloonietic> hello all:is it possible to install nvidia 3d acceleration drivers on hardy? I heard that 2.6.24 kernel is not compatible with it
[06:37] <thoreauputic> dooglus: well, yes - you install the plugin from the repos and it Just Works ( at least it did here)
[06:37] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I was trying to get java working with the nightly firefox, not the ubuntu one
[06:38] <thoreauputic> dooglus: ah, I see - I didn't realise that
[06:38] <dooglus> thoreauputic: yeah, maybe I should have mentioned it
[06:38] <thoreauputic> heh :)
[06:39] <dooglus> thoreauputic: what's your initial reaction to this image?
[06:39] <dooglus> thoreauputic: http://synfig.org/images/6/64/MainBanner-06108-en.jpg
[06:39] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: I have it here working at 2100 fps in glxgears...
[06:40] <thoreauputic> dooglus: Freudian... ?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:40] <shinynew> anyone?
[06:40] <ravingloonietic> thorapeautic: 2100 fps? wow. I just have a geforce 2 mx that i tried to build the "Debian Way" wont work ...
[06:40] <xShad0w> as a macbook user would anyone recomend me not to install 64bit hardy, (drivers and such), theres many problems as it is and idk if adding 64bit will help
[06:40] <Davo_Dinkum> shinynew: run 'lspci -vvvv' as root and pastebin the outout
[06:40] <Davo_Dinkum> *output
[06:41] <thoreauputic> shinynew: you forgot afew details - like which card, what driver you were using that worked before etc...
[06:42] <shinynew> Davo_Dinkum: ok it showed up there ill paste the name: 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02)
[06:42] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I hadn't seen it myself.  It was designed by a young Argentinian guy, who also didn't intend anything freudian.  I showed it to an Australian friend of mine and he just started laughing.
[06:42] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: this is a geForce 5700 something
[06:42] <Davo_Dinkum> and which ubuntu release you were using before
[06:42] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I wondered if you would see the same
[06:42] <shinynew> should i just look for a guide for that card?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> dooglus: oh yeah :)
[06:42] <ravingloonietic> thorapeautic: google is clueless for me on this one. Can you point to me the way? obwan kenobi you are my only hope
[06:42] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[06:42] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:43] <Davo_Dinkum> !Broadcom
[06:43] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[06:43] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: I just clicked the dialogue to enable the driver and it worked *shrug*
[06:43] <Davo_Dinkum> !Broadcom shinynew
[06:43] <iMatter> Opera Pages dont show much for a site in firefox thats brown and multicolored its just white with buttons...
[06:43] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: well, after a reboot anyway
[06:43] <Davo_Dinkum> shinynew:
[06:43] <ravingloonietic> thorapeautic: ok may the force be with you
[06:43] <iMatter> same for google
[06:43] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: I think just a restart of X would have been enough though
[06:44] <ravingloonietic> thorapeautic: ok thanks. The force is strong in you
[06:44] <HorizonXP> hey
[06:44] <HorizonXP> really annoying issue I have right now
[06:45] <HorizonXP> seems every time I shut down, my external hdd's auto-mounted directory doesn't get removed
[06:45] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: System -Admin - Hardware Drivers - enable the nvidia driver
[06:45] <HorizonXP> \/media/My Book
[06:45] <HorizonXP> so then when I turn my computer back on, it gets mounted as /media/My Book_
[06:45] <RAOF> HorizonXP: There's a bug report and thread in ubuntuforums.org about that :)
[06:45] <HorizonXP> which throws off all of the references to things
[06:45] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: In theory that works :) In practice on another box I hd to fiddle around in xorg.conf
[06:46] <HorizonXP> ah ok RAOF
[06:46] <HorizonXP> thanks, can you point me to it? maybe there's a workaround
[06:46] <RAOF> There is.  Let me hunt the link.
[06:47] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: i see it. i wish i could do the same for my debian though... thanks a lot will restart after i click that... its that simple in kubuntu - wow. Debian needs this. Im getting tired of compiling and compiling
[06:48] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: Good luck - hope it works for you
[06:48] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: ok thanks man will restart now
[06:49] <RAOF> HorizonXP: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=744469
[06:54] <HorizonXP> thanks RAOF: there's a temporary fix, but the bug hasn't been solved.
[06:54] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Yup.  You were after a workaround, right?
[06:54] <HorizonXP> yeah, for now
[06:54] <HorizonXP> obviously I'd like to see it fixed
[06:54] <HorizonXP> probably will be by release
[06:55] <HorizonXP> so excited for release
[06:55] <HorizonXP> my GF has agreed to give Ubuntu a shot :)
[07:05] <iMatter> WHen i load java applets
[07:05] <iMatter> its just a grey box..
[07:07] <iMatter> HorizonXP: Make sure you put two bullets in if you know what i mean
[07:07] <iMatter> nothing bad so just in case she runs into trouble she can still give it another shot
[07:07] <len_> ati's fglrx driver is causing my system to hang on shutdown/reboot.  Does anyone have a workaround?  An option to add to the driver section of xorg.conf or something?  I can shutdown/reboot normally with the ati driver.
[07:08] <HorizonXP> iMatter: lol
[07:08] <iMatter> :P
[07:09] <len_> I'm using a new AMD 780 chipset motherboard.
[07:09] <iMatter> It seems anything that messes with networking
[07:09] <iMatter> makes my computer think hard...
[07:09] <iMatter> i cant wait for my MBP to get here..
[07:09] <savvas> hey iMatter
[07:10] <savvas> what did you do eventually? :)
[07:10] <iMatter> Hey...
[07:10] <iMatter> dpkg-reconfig -a didnt work...
[07:10] <iMatter> but i guess ill just live with it
[07:10] <iMatter> 2hrs of answering questions FTL
[07:10] <savvas> what about the recovery boot and check the internet and follow the rest of the guide? :P
[07:11]  * iMatter coughs uh err what?
[07:11] <iMatter> ;P
[07:11] <HorizonXP> hey
[07:11] <HorizonXP> you guys wouldn't know of an intel-based motherboard for core2 duo that supports 2 DVI outputs?
[07:12] <HorizonXP> I want an intel board with intel graphics for ubuntu of course.... and I run 2 LCDs....
[07:12] <savvas> HorizonXP: if no one replies, google this: +intel +motherboard +"2 dvi"
[07:13] <iMatter> savvas: Do (N) Technology work with Ubuntu?
[07:13] <savvas> iMatter: remember i suggested that if dpkg didn't work, you could boot to a kernel recovery from grub, then do this: sudo aptitude update ..if it worked, to follow the rest of the command guide i gave ya
[07:13] <iMatter> the ones on MBP?
[07:13] <len_> Anyone here using the fglrx driver?
[07:13] <iMatter> me...
[07:14] <savvas> ouch
[07:14] <savvas> :P
[07:14] <iMatter> lol...what i said
[07:14] <savvas> no idea iMatter
[07:14]  * iMatter Needs to go to sleep ;P
[07:14] <iMatter> you get up i go to sleep
[07:14] <dooglus> is anyone using firefox 3.0?
[07:14] <iMatter> you go to sleep i get up
[07:14] <iMatter> me
[07:14] <iMatter> dooglus: Me
[07:15] <dooglus> I find that since upgrading to hardy, lots of pictures don't show properly, unless I zoom to exactly 100%
[07:15] <HorizonXP> savvas: no dice on that google
[07:15] <dooglus> zooming in or out corrupts them
[07:15] <iMatter> it could be something to do with your video card?
[07:15] <iMatter> savvas: Do you agree?
[07:16] <iMatter> since hardy i cant use Java Applets (With Moving Pictures) with compiz enabled -.-
[07:16] <savvas> HorizonXP: you want a motherboard with an integrated graphics card and dual dvi?
[07:16] <iMatter> i thought the new Xorg was sopposed to fix ALOT of things?
[07:17] <savvas> iMatter: no idea on that too, i use nvidia :)
[07:17] <iMatter> ill BBWL
[07:17] <HorizonXP> savvas: yes. seems like the two are mutually exclusive
[07:17] <savvas> nighty heh
[07:17] <dooglus> iMatter: I see things like this: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/firefox-pic-bug.png
[07:17] <iMatter> savvas: Be Back WAAAAY Later
[07:17] <dooglus> iMatter: the picture is offset from where it's supposed to be
[07:17] <iMatter> ok ill stay a few more
[07:17] <iMatter> to see
[07:18] <iMatter> dooglus: Hmm I loaded same exact site and i didnt get that :/
[07:18] <iMatter> Is Compiz Enabled?
[07:18] <dooglus> iMatter: no, I don't use it
[07:18] <iMatter> it also could be the version of the FF3 Package you have
[07:18] <dooglus> iMatter: try zooming in or out?
[07:19] <iMatter> what version is that
[07:19] <dooglus> iMatter: that's minefield (the nightly) but the ubuntu package does the same
[07:19] <iMatter> On my Firefox it usualy has - Mozzila Firefox 3 Beta X
[07:20] <iMatter> after the page title
[07:20] <iMatter> Try getting B4 or B5 thats the ones ive been using and then tell savvas to forward a message to me and ill help tommrow..
[07:20] <savvas> HorizonXP: there's an adapter called "ADD2 Card" http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel915g/sb/cs-013296.htm
[07:20] <iMatter> been up for about 12hrs...
[07:20] <iMatter> must...sleep
[07:21] <savvas> later i ;)
[07:21] <dooglus> here's the ubuntu one: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/firefox-pic-bug2.png
[07:21] <savvas> dooglus: try to hold shift and press the reload button
[07:21] <dooglus> on a new profile, on the default page, zoomed out a little
[07:22] <dooglus> savvas: zooming to 100% fixes it - but zooming in or out moves the image to the wrong place.
[07:22] <savvas> ah
[07:22] <savvas> hold a sec
[07:23] <dooglus> savvas: ah - I have a non-stanard DPI setting - could that be it?
[07:23] <iMatter> dooglus: Sorry
[07:24] <dooglus> :)
[07:24] <savvas> dooglus: go to about:config
[07:24] <savvas> disable the image zoom, set "browser.zoom.full" to false
[07:24] <dooglus> ok
[07:24] <dooglus> lol
[07:24] <dooglus> nice!  "This might void your warranty!"
[07:25] <dooglus> that's a ubuntu customization, right?
[07:25] <savvas> no idea :P
[07:25] <dooglus> I wonder if an evil lawyer could twist that to mean that there is a warrantee from ubuntu if I don't proceed?
[07:25] <dooglus> I'd recommend against this "void your warranty" joke just in case
[07:26] <dooglus> savvas: now I can't zoom images at all!
[07:26] <dooglus> (only the text changes size, not the boxes it has to fit into)
[07:27] <dooglus> I have a package called "mozilla-imagezoom" installed.  I wonder if that's the problem
[07:27] <savvas> dooglus: that was the point :p
[07:27] <savvas> I never really required images to zoom in
[07:28] <savvas> since most of them are not svg and can't zoom in without losing quality
[07:28] <savvas> "4. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY.
[07:28] <savvas> about mozilla firefox ;p
[07:29] <dooglus> savvas: the problem is that lots of pages try to fit text into a fixed-size box.  if you zoom the text without zooming the box, you can't read the text that doesn't fit
[07:29] <DanaG> "resizable textbox"
[07:29] <DanaG> REALLY REALLY handy.
[07:29] <DanaG> s/box/area/
[07:29] <dooglus> I don't mean text editing boxes, like forms; I mean people using CSS with fixed sizes - it's everywhere
[07:30] <dooglus> ok, it seems it was mozilla-imagezoom causing the problem
[07:30] <savvas> heh
[07:30] <dooglus> can anyone confirm that installing it breaks image zooming in ff3?
[07:31] <savvas> what does imagezoom do?
[07:31] <dooglus> it lets you zoom an image in or out in place
[07:31] <dooglus> point at an image and mouse-wheel up and down to zoom that image in or out
[07:32] <savvas> ah each one?
[07:33] <dooglus> yeah, it lets you zoom images individually
[07:34] <dooglus> I wasn't using it - I just had it installed and was Ctrl-+'ing to zoom the page in
[07:34] <dooglus> I'll report a bug, wait a couple of years, then watch it be closed because it's out of date :)
[07:36] <savvas> dooglus: which image were you trying to zoom? the background?
[07:37] <dooglus> I wasn't using it - I just had it installed and was Ctrl-+'ing to zoom the page in
[07:38] <savvas> well mine works
[07:39] <Terrasque> flash use an insane amount of cpu :( To the point where, when viewing certain pages, it use 100% cpu on animating the ads, and won't render the rest of the page
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Terrasque: flash is a blight on the Internet. Install Flashbock .
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Or just don't install flash :) But there are some godd things we would miss without it, sadly.
[07:41] <Terrasque> thoreauputic: While I agree, the final user of the machine will not be me, so adblocking / flashblock / avoiding flash might not be an option
[07:41] <thoreauputic> I see
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Well, flashblock allows you to view what you want to see at least
[07:42] <Terrasque> yes
[07:42] <savvas> Terrasque: you're using hardy?
[07:42] <DanaG> Flash is cpu-rapeagey.
[07:42] <DanaG> Even on OS X, in fact.
[07:42] <thoreauputic> I wish trackerd wouldn't randomly decide to use 90% of my CPU though :)
[07:42] <Terrasque> renicing the flash process to 19 would be fun too :p not sure if it can be done without affecting the browaser
[07:42] <DanaG> Perhaps even on Windows.
[07:43] <Terrasque> savvas: yes
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Terrasque: I think flash would fall over if you reniced it to 19 :)
[07:43] <savvas> Terrasque: it's still not meant for an end user, and it's probably an adobe flash problem
[07:44] <ravingloonietic> well i am back thoreauputic
[07:44] <savvas> Terrasque: what processor / ram are we talking about here?
[07:44] <Terrasque> savvas: i know, and .. I know :p
[07:44] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: any luck?
[07:44] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: screen resolution turned to 640xsomething
[07:44] <Terrasque> savvas: 1g ram, but cpu is craptastic. celly 1.6 ghz
[07:44] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: hmm
[07:44] <dwidmann> umm,, darn, my xf86audionext key is going crazy ... it's acting as if i'm holding it in when i'm obviously not touching it .... seems i can't use any meta keys either for the time being. anything i can do to fix it besides restarting x/
[07:45] <Terrasque> savvas: hardy itself runs like greased lightning tho, its just that flash kinda kills the machine
[07:45] <ravingloonietic> i guess i have to wait til 2.6.24 gets it fixed.
[07:45] <savvas> Terrasque: have you tried purging and installing again? sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree; sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:46] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: as I said earlier, seems to Work For Me (tm) - but that doesn't help you I know
[07:46] <Terrasque> the best alternative would be death sentence for making annoying flash ads, of course. One could hope..
[07:46] <dooglus> ugh
[07:46] <dooglus> now the bottom 70% of my screen has gone grey
[07:47] <dooglus> only the top 30% is working
[07:47] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: the buttons turned ginormous, I could live with 800x600 but not 640xsomething. Guess that's the downside for everything new and shiny
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Terrasque: a slow and painful death for those who write *whole sites* in Flash
[07:47] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: have you tried  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[07:47] <Terrasque> savvas: not yet. But I installed flash on sunday, so it should be up-to-date. But going to reinstall the machine when hardy final comes
[07:48] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: If you specify according to your monitor manual it might help ?
[07:48] <dooglus> any idea how I can fix it?
[07:48] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: i only tried clicking the radio button to enable the proprietary drivers - that is a good idea though. Automatic and manual  approaches. I will do that next. Thanks!
[07:48] <Terrasque> thoreauputic: now you're talking :)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: worth a shot :)
[07:49] <savvas> Terrasque: i didn't say if it's up to date, maybe a purge&install will fix it
[07:49] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: right. Will brb. Thanks again!
[07:49] <dooglus> touching the screen about halfway down on the left fixes it until I stop touching it
[07:50] <Terrasque> savvas: yeah :) At work now, so can't test for a while.
[07:50] <savvas> ok ;p
[07:50] <Terrasque> I was just hoping someone had a good trick for the issue :)
[07:52] <HorizonXP> savvas: thanks for that link, I'll look into it!
[07:53] <_sidd> Really weird problem since upgrading to Hardy.
[07:53] <mkoga> hi, i'm have an ati card and my external screen has an annoying flicker, does this sound like a refresh rate issue?
[07:54] <mkoga> it seems to be stuck on 60Hz
[07:54] <_sidd> If I have two windows open, and close one of them, then the focus switches to the second window, but the "keyboard focus" doesn't switch.
[07:54] <_sidd> Typing anything, has no effect in the second window.
[07:55] <_sidd> Even if I click inside that window, the keyboard has no effect. The only way to switch the "keyboard focus" is to click on the title-bar of the window.
[07:56] <Fritzel> if I'm trying to watch some streaming videos online what are my best plugin choices for kde4 kubuntu?
[07:56] <Fritzel> hardy
[07:56] <_sidd> Anyone seen this weird behavior?
[07:59] <gluer> any way to set the bottom status bar to the left or right and make it smaller?
[07:59] <gluer> it interferes with my docking
[08:04] <Filled-Void> Hi all If I have a Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon system  and wanted to upgrade to Hardy Heron . How big of a download am I looking forward too. I wanted to know if I should probably wait till I get a DVD copy from my friend.
[08:05] <dooglus> gluer: right-click in empty space and uncheck 'expand'
[08:05] <dooglus> Filled-Void: hundreds of megabytes
[08:05] <scheater5> I have weirdness with vnc between ubuntu and OSX.  I think the problem is some configuration in OSX, but this is the best place I know to ask - anyone know their way around vnc?
[08:06] <Filled-Void> dooglus, Thanks I guess Ill wait. I have quite a fewpackages so Im thinking that for me its probably going to come near a GB?
[08:06] <BonezAU> Hi, I did some upgrades last night with synaptic and now when I boot up my system and log on to gnome, the splash screen comes up while things are loading then everything goes to black. I can still see the mouse pointer but not my desktop. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks
[08:08] <dooglus> Filled-Void: I don't remember how big it was for me exactly, but it was in the hundreds of MB
[08:08] <dooglus> Filled-Void: also, it didn't work, and left my system in a bit of a mess, so it's probably better to wait until the release
[08:08] <Filled-Void> dooglus, thanks :)
[08:09] <Filled-Void> dooglus, Will do
[08:09] <jimiridge> hm
[08:11] <scheater5> no one knows a thing or two about screen sharing?
[08:13] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: back again
[08:13] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: any better?
[08:14] <ravingloonietic> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just let me configure my keyboard settings. weird. nothing realted whatsoever to graphics
[08:14] <ravingloonietic> *related
[08:15] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: hmm usually it has a section for setting horiz and vert synch - but I guess that is really for CRT monitors
[08:15] <thoreauputic> I have a CRT here :)
[08:16] <ravingloonietic> - i am using a CRT monitor. - what is weird is I have tried those same exact steps in debian (i have a quadruple boot setup) and the options and dialogs are fairly different
[08:16] <ravingloonietic> ...when i run the same command
[08:17] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: You'd be not using Debian Experimental, then :)