[00:01] <JasonWoof> I was getting a nastly lag in my framerate/system-performance every 2 minutes when I was using my 43xx
[00:01] <Kamilion> Personally, since I have no need for Draft-N speeds, I use a ZD1211B based USB wifi adapter. $26 from dealextreme: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5858
[00:01] <JasonWoof> with the -rt kernel, it would just about freeze my system for about a full second
[00:01] <Kamilion> I've changed the antenna to a big 16 inch one, it came with a tiny little 3 inch one.
[00:02] <JasonWoof> with the generic kernel it'd just slow down for about two seconds
[00:02] <Kamilion> I get better wireless performance than all of the other laptops here at NASA Ames research center
[00:02] <JasonWoof> heh
[00:03] <Kamilion> and it only cost me around $35... $26 for the wifi dongle, and another $9 for the big antenna
[00:03] <JasonWoof> not bad
[00:03] <JasonWoof> I'm using a PCMCIA card
[00:03] <JasonWoof> I always worry about breaking it
[00:04] <JasonWoof> I usually take it out and box it when lugging this monstrocity about
[00:04] <nikkolai> Hi guys, in hardy i was using the nvidia-glx-new package, but i can't find it on intrepid beta? Has a new name??
[00:05] <Kamilion> Know what you mean. I've got a PCMCIA USB 2.0 adapter to plug the wifi into my 900Mhz HP laptop from 1998... the whole shebang sticks out half a foot from the laptop *grin*... Anyway, offtopic aside... /me returns to idling
[00:07] <JasonWoof> heh
[00:08] <visik7> intrepid is totally unusable on my system :(
[00:08] <Kamilion> What's the symptoms? Have you tried xubuntu intrepid to narrow down the culprits?
[00:09] <visik7> kernel and driver
[00:09] <visik7> so it's not a desktop problem
[00:09] <ethana21> When will networkmanager auto-crack WEP networks?
[00:09] <Kamilion> ethana21: as soon as you write and distribute the patch to do so.
[00:09]  * Kamilion grins
[00:09] <ethana21> oh sweet!
[00:09] <visik7> kernel doesn't boot on AC plugged, and wireless is switched off and unswitchable on
[00:09] <JasonWoof> ethana21: heh :)
[00:10] <ethana21> would they seriously accept such a patch?
[00:10] <Kamilion> probably not.
[00:10] <ethana21> but it's Free Software, soo.........
[00:10]  * ethana21 grins
[00:10] <Kamilion> but if the patch was out there, people would use it.
[00:10] <ethana21> yes.
[00:10] <Kamilion> Not hard to distribute .deb files
[00:10] <ethana21> absolutely
[00:10] <Kamilion> Skype does it. Nomachine does it. (mmm, freenx...)
[00:11] <ethana21> I've got $179.55, whose up for a bounty?
[00:12] <Kamilion> Heh, while you're at it, might as well add in WPA rainbow table support... heh
[00:12] <ethana21> what?
[00:12]  * ethana21 googles
[00:14] <BrionS> does anyone know how I can revert VLC back to the 0.8.6 version in Hardy without giving up Ibex?
[00:21] <bruce89> BrionS: simply, you can't
[00:21]  * bruce89 fails to see the attraction of VLC
[00:22] <larson9999> a nice simple media player.  what's not to love?
[00:22] <larson9999> not to mention gives me less headaches than the others.
[00:22] <bruce89> it reimplements all the codecs
[00:24] <larson9999> now compiz, that's something i fail to see the attraction of
[00:24] <bruce89> I concur
[00:24] <nikkolai> how can i set the vesa driver for my video card?
[00:24] <nikkolai> xorg.conf?
[00:24] <larson9999> the pc is one of the places i want opaque windows :)
[00:25] <larson9999> and for the love of god stop making the bouncing cursor the default in kde!
[00:25] <BrionS> bruce89, the attraction is it plays my DVDs flawlessly - even the Sony ArCCOS ones
[00:25] <maxb_> compiz is amusing and flashy. It mostly just makes you go "Pretty!"
[00:26] <larson9999> maxb_, it mostly makes me seasick
[00:26] <bruce89> BrionS: so does my dvd playing script
[00:26] <BrionS> larson9999, the show desktop / window picker is nice if you have a very full desktop
[00:27] <BrionS> bruce89, I'm glad to hear it
[00:27] <maxb_> It does have a few features that are actually useful - like shrinking or transparency on demand to keep an eye on a background task
[00:27]  * bruce89 goes back to politic
[00:27] <BrionS> unfortunately I haven't had much luck playing some movies with anything but VLC
[00:27] <BrionS> so you see my predicament
[00:28] <larson9999> BrionS, i think i'm just set in my ways.  i've been using the layout for my desktop since the early nineties and it's comfortable, like my chuck taylors which are about as old.
[00:29] <larson9999> kinda like i usually turn of tabs when i can because i'm so used to alt+tab.
[00:30] <BrionS> larson9999, then again I'm a sucker for eye candy.  If I can't play graphics card melting games in Linux, at least I can use my GFX card to some extent with Open GL desktop effects
[00:30] <bruce89> BrionS: gst-launch-0.10 dvdreadsrc title=$TITLE ! decodebin name=decode decode. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! osssink decode. ! deinterlace ! xvimagesink force-aspect-ratio=true
[00:31] <bruce89> I must admit to using Metacity's compositor
[00:31] <larson9999> BrionS, and i'm the opposite of that.  i still can't understand it when people say apps look like crap because they don't match the theme.  i really don't understand the complaint.
[00:32] <BrionS> bruce89, I don't suppose you have a script that also rips the title track to the drive as well?  My project is to "digitize" my entire DVD library and use MythTV to play it back on my TV instead of popping DVDs in and out of the player
[00:33] <bruce89> just replace the xvimagesink element with something else
[00:33] <Kamilion> IIRC doesn't Myth already have a DVD ripper?
[00:33] <BrionS> yes, but it's not half as fast as VLC
[00:33] <BrionS> at least last I used it
[00:33] <BrionS> I don't want to transcode or anything, just grab the MPEG-2 content as-is
[00:34] <Kamilion> Ah. Personally, when I buy a DVD or bluray, I just download a pre-encoded copy from the 'net and 'forget' to unwrap my purchase.
[00:34] <bruce89> BrionS: I'll have a think
[00:34] <Kamilion> But I won't vouch for the legality of that.
[00:35] <BrionS> Kamilion, I could do that but I find most people aren't interested in sharing 5+GB files, not to mention it would take hours to download vs. minutes to rip
[00:35] <BrionS> I don't know how anyone can watch movies on an iPod or highly compressed video on a computer monitor
[00:36] <Kamilion> Point taken, but I'm not exactly in the habit of storing MPEG2 on my harddrives.
[00:37] <Kamilion> I convert over to XViD at the very least. 9GB DVD to 1GB mkv/ogm.
[00:37] <DaSkreech> Anyone having issues with kopete and Gtalk?
[00:37] <BrionS> this has been a long-standing project of mine started several years ago and I finally have most of the hardware in place just in time to lose my fastest/simplest/least confusing (for me) way to rip
[00:37] <Kamilion> I don't notice a quality difference. Anyway, offtopic. Sorry.
[00:38] <BrionS> in any case...I guess I'll give up on VLC for now until they "fix" their wizard (hopefully sometime in Ibex)
[00:38] <BrionS> they admit it's broken and you shouldn't upgrade if you used it - but I didn't notice the upgrade from 0.8.6 to 0.9.3 when it happened
[00:38] <bruce89> a dump would be as simple as gst-launch-0.10 dvdreadsrc title=5 !  filesink location=foo.mpeg
[00:38] <DanaG> VLC is utter failage at mkv subtitles.
[00:39] <bruce89> it gets a bit complex for transcoding
[00:40] <BrionS> thanks bruce89, I've never heard of gst-launch -- I'll check into it
[00:40] <BrionS> that looks good enough for me
[00:40] <gaminggeek> is anyone else having problems with banshee?
[00:40] <BrionS> gaminggeek, sorry - I used Amarok
[00:40] <BrionS> use*
[00:40] <gaminggeek> :/
[00:40] <bruce89> BrionS: try running gst-launch-0.10 with no arguments to see which plugins you have
[00:41] <bruce89> then put one of the names as arguments, then you can see how to use each one
[00:41] <BrionS> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: empty pipeline not allowed.
[00:41] <Kamilion> Note to self, find monty python arguement sketch
[00:42] <bruce89> BrionS: sorry, gst-inspect-0.10
[00:42] <BrionS> holy plugins batman!
[00:43] <bruce89> indeed, gstreamer has quite a few
[00:43] <BrionS> 167 on mine I guess
[00:43] <BrionS> this may take a while ;)
[00:43] <Kamilion> What package do I need to compile? build-essential or something?
[00:45] <Kamilion> yep, that was it.
[00:48] <outbri> gaminggeek: switch from the darkside. use rhythmbox :P
[00:48] <d4t4min3r> can someone help me, im trying to see if this is a bug.. or just something wrong on my side
[00:48] <bruce89> BrionS: gst-launch-0.10 dvdreadsrc title=5 ! decodebin name=decode ! oggmux name=mux ! filesink location=foo.ogv decode. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! vorbisenc quality=0.5 ! queue ! mux. decode. ! deinterlace ! schroenc ! queue ! mux.
[00:49] <gaminggeek> outbri: never!
[00:49] <gaminggeek> banshee is so sexy...
[00:53] <cwillu> gaminggeek, what kind of problems?
[00:53] <cwillu> (be aware, #banshee is on irc.gnome.org, not freenode)
[00:54] <cwillu> (also, there's a ppa with newer intrepid and hardy packages for banshee which may be useful)
[00:54] <cwillu> (having said all that, state your problem before I go away :p)
[00:54] <gaminggeek> cwillu: I know I am in that channel
[00:59] <DaSkreech> So yeah anyone having issues with Kopete?
[01:02] <bruce89> BrionS: gst-launch-0.10 dvdreadsrc title=5 ! decodebin name=decode ! oggmux name=mux ! filesink location=foo.ogv decode. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! vorbisenc quality=0.5 ! mux. decode. ! deinterlace ! theoraenc ! mux.
[01:02] <bruce89> replace theoraenc with whatever encoder you want
[01:03] <BrionS> ideally I wouldn't be re-encoding, just ripping the MPEG-2 stream from the disc
[01:03] <bruce89> I shouldn't have bothered working all that out then
[01:04] <BrionS> if it helps, I appreciate the effort. :)
[01:05] <bruce89> It might be useful for me
[01:10] <gregor> distribution upgrade tries to register files with scrollkeeper but is waiting and waiting because scrollkeeper is not found(replaced  by rarian)
[01:11] <gregor> and the distribution upgrade window is now not closable...
[01:23] <httpdss> im having speed rendering problems after yesterdays nvidia V.177 upgrade. is anybody with same issue ?
[01:23] <danbh_intrepid> gregor: why rarian?
[01:23] <danbh_intrepid> gregor: not that I even know what scrollkeeper is
[01:23] <gregor> autoreplacement as i remember...
[01:24] <bruce89> danbh_intrepid: it's used for maintaining GNOME help pages
[01:24] <danbh_intrepid> now I know
[01:27] <amrik> httpdss: i have a rendering issue where switching tabs in firefox occasionally does not update the buffer and so ctrl+tab will cycle and the page will not redraw
[01:27] <amrik> httpdss: this started with the nvidia 177.80 update
[01:28] <bsnider> yo, what's goin' down?
[01:29] <httpdss> amrik: that's exactly the same issue :S it happens on firefox to me too
[01:30] <amrik> httpdss: i think i might downgrade to 177.76
[01:30] <Kamilion> Yay, work's over, time to go home!
[01:30] <bsnider> amrik, what's the issue?
[01:30] <amrik> bsnider: i have a rendering issue where switching tabs in firefox occasionally does not update the buffer and so ctrl+tab will cycle and the page will not redraw
[01:31] <httpdss> amrik: yup, i was wondering if i could tweek my config to make it work
[01:31] <bsnider> why do you think it's nvidia's fault?
[01:31] <amrik> bsnider: i had a very similar issue in the hardy beta which when the driver package was updated went away
[01:32] <httpdss> bsnider: good point ... but ... who does the rendering if its not the video card ?
[01:32] <bsnider> are you using the 3 recommended tweaks?
[01:32] <amrik> bsnider: also the issue only reemerged after a package update of the nvidia drivers
[01:33] <amrik> bsnider: although since there are a ton of compiz updates coming in it could be that as well
[01:33] <bsnider> are you using nvidia's tweaks or not?
[01:34] <amrik> what are the tweaks?
[01:34] <bsnider> ok, i guess not
[01:34] <bsnider> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088
[01:34] <amrik> what package should i install to get a java plugin for firefox?
[01:35] <bsnider> nvidia specifically says the driver won't work correctly without those tweaks
[01:35] <amrik> i had icedtea-gcjwebplugin installed before but is this the right one?
[01:36] <bruce89> amrik: it appears that that is now a metapackage depending on something else now
[01:36] <httpdss> bsnider: no, no tweaks 4 now
[01:37] <httpdss> bsnider: hmmm .. "ton of compiz updates coming in it" ... that might be also another source of problems
[01:38] <bruce89> amrik: icedtea6-plugin to be precise
[01:38] <bsnider> httpdss, if you don't implemment those tweaks, you're not using the driver according to the manufacturer's recommendations, so you can hardly blame nvidia
[01:39] <aurel42> Howdy.
[01:40] <amrik> bruce89: the icedtea6-plugin has no installation candidate though, so although icedtea-gcjwebplugin depends on it, it cant install it and so aptitude is freaking out
[01:40] <sysdoc> What is the default GLIB ver for Hardy?
[01:40] <aurel42> I still can't watch Jon Stewart because Firefox keeps crashing on every visit to thedailyshow.com. What's the recommended way to run a virtual Windows these days, preferably free (as in speech)?
[01:40] <bruce89> amrik: it will be available soon
[01:40] <bsnider> this ain't hardy
[01:41] <bruce89> sysdoc: !info glibc
[01:41] <bsnider> aurel42, try using epiphany
[01:41] <bruce89> !info glibc
[01:41] <aurel42> bsnider: that's webkit?
[01:41] <bruce89> aurel42: not yey
[01:41] <bsnider> aurel42, either one
[01:41] <bruce89> !info libc
[01:41] <sysdoc> hmmm
[01:41] <bruce89> !info libc6
[01:42] <httpdss> bsnider: i'm gonna try on those tweaks. i'm really not "tracking trunk" so i'll blame myself before blaming nvidia ;)
[01:42] <aurel42> bsnider: epiphany hangs, then crashes. What's the webkit alternative again?
[01:42] <RAOF> epiphany-webkit :)
[01:42] <aurel42> Midori?
[01:42] <amrik> bruce89: how can i force installation of the package without it complaining about resolving dependencies by hand?
[01:43] <crdlb> sysdoc: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0
[01:43] <bsnider> i wouldn't blame firefox drawing issues on nvidia, i'd blame them on the fact that firefox is a lying piece of crap
[01:43] <aurel42> Midori hangs, then crashes.
[01:43] <bruce89> amrik: you can't, just don't upgrade it
[01:43] <bsnider> aurel42, what's this website?
[01:43] <amrik> bruce89: well i removed it by accident =\ now i have no plugin at all
[01:43] <aurel42> I guess my problem is the flash plugin, that's why I would like to try it via some Windows emulation.
[01:44] <aurel42> bsnider: thedailyshow.com
[01:44] <amrik> bsnider: do i need to restart X for those settings to take effect?
[01:44] <aurel42> bsnider: same problem with firefox -safe-mode, and with or without PulseAudio.
[01:44] <sysdoc> crdlb: thanks
[01:44] <bsnider> aurel42, it doesn't crash here
[01:44] <bruce89> amrik: you're stuck until icedtea6-plugin becomes available
[01:44] <bsnider> on firefox
[01:45] <bruce89> aurel42: blame Adobe
[01:45] <aurel42> bsnider: I'm aware that the problem isn't reproducible, strace didn't give any useful hints either.
[01:45] <bsnider> aurel42, your flash setup is probably borked
[01:45] <bruce89> sysdoc: 2.16
[01:45] <bsnider> this site is loaded with flash objects
[01:45] <amrik> bruce89: great...
[01:46] <bruce89> shouldn't be too long though
[01:46] <aurel42> bsnider: yes, and since I spent a day trying to find out how to fix it and couldn't find a way, I'm now asking for a recommendation wrt Windows virtualization. ;)
[01:46] <amrik> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:46] <amrik> so intrepid will ship with flash 10 beta?
[01:47] <aurel42> that's on intrepid: <IP_ADDRESS>+<IP_ADDRESS>5
[01:47] <aurel42> *on my intrepid
[01:47] <bsnider> aurel42, the thing to do would be fix your flash problem, not virtualize winblows
[01:48] <aurel42> bsnider: if it was open source, I would. Since it isn't, I can only curse Adobe and find another solution.
[01:48] <bsnider> aurel42, does espn.com crash firefox?
[01:49] <aurel42> bsnider: nope, seems to work perfectly
[01:49] <aurel42> bsnider: so does YouTube and other flash sites
[01:49] <bsnider> what? that's crazy talk
[01:49] <bsnider> try making a new user, log in to the account and hten try your dailyshow site
[01:50] <aurel42> scrolling is sluggish on espn.go.com, but I guess that's to be expected with half a gazillion flash objects.
[01:50] <aurel42> bsnider: I made a new profile by moving .mozilla and tried -safe-mode, isn't that enough?
[01:50] <bsnider> those espn commies are shameless
[01:50] <bsnider> aurel42, no
[01:50] <bsnider> but thanks for asking
[01:51] <aurel42> bsnider: well, let's try a different user then.
[01:51] <bruce89> at least communism doesn't have to bail out banks
[01:52] <bsnider> bruce89, marx believed in central banking, so it would still wipe out the value of the money supply
[01:53] <bruce89> no matter what you have, it will never work
[01:54] <aurel42> bsnider: impressive.
[01:54] <aurel42> bsnider: now how do I find out why one user works and the other doesn't?
[01:55] <bsnider> aurel42, oh, it works there does it?
[01:55] <aurel42> Yes. Stunning.
[01:55] <bsnider> well, i'll be a monkey's uncle
[01:56] <bsnider> so, now i would wipe out anything that qualifies as a configuration file in your home directory
[01:56] <bruce89> that may be a bit drastic
[01:56] <bsnider> certainly your .gconf, .gnome, .config, .settings
[01:56] <aurel42> I wouldn't like to lose e.g. my Evolution settings.
[01:57] <bsnider> don't wipe out .evolution then
[01:57] <bsnider> but your gconf-editor stuff has to go
[01:58]  * DaSkreech sighs
[01:58] <bsnider> that'll give you a default gnome desktop, mor eor less
[01:58] <bruce89> perhaps backing it all up may be less bad
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Not even sure I care about Kopete anymore X crashes like crazy
[01:58] <DaSkreech> "crashes"
[01:58] <aurel42> Btw, I was kinda stunned to find out I couldn't switch consoles with ctrl+alt+Fx.
[01:58] <bsnider> DaSkreech, they've got a new invetion called "pidgin"
[01:59] <bruce89> !kopete
[01:59] <bruce89> as you can see, Kopete is Kde, Pidgin isn't anything
[01:59] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:59] <bsnider> kopete is a tremendous piece of technology, much more sophisticated than pidgin. the only problem is, it doesn't work
[01:59] <DaSkreech> In any case X used to shut down on me like once every two days since the first day I installed Gutsy
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Now it does it like every 10 minutes
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Also why isn't xterm installed by default?
[02:01] <bruce89> space saving probably
[02:02] <DaSkreech> Shouldn't we remove the failsafe option for login then?
[02:02] <aurel42> bsnider: the dailyshow problem started when I upgraded to intrepid, shouldn't I report it as a possible migration problem and preserve my setup? Be a good Ubuntu citizen, yaknow?
[02:02] <bruce89> xterm is depended on by GDM
[02:02] <DaSkreech> ahhh interesting
[02:03] <bsnider> aurel42, no, but thanks for asking
[02:04] <aurel42> bsnider: I guess asking was enough to make me feel like a good citizen anyway, thanks a lot for your advice and the surprising solution.
[02:04] <bsnider> yeah
[02:06]  * bruce89 thinks there is something very wrong with a program which crashes because of a minor configuration change
[02:18] <DaSkreech> I think it's abrowser
[02:21] <DaSkreech> Hi Mez
[02:41] <bruce89> /away
[02:41] <bruce89> hmm
[02:41] <wastrel> h ihi
[02:42] <wastrel> i have a weird bug with window refresh in gnome
[02:42] <wastrel> i have to click a window before the contents of it will redraw
[02:43] <wastrel> like i'll be in firefox, and hit pagedown, and the window won't refresh until i click it
[02:43] <DaSkreech> I've seen that
[02:44] <bruce89> only it?
[02:44] <wastrel> only firefox you mean?
[02:44] <bruce89> yus
[02:44] <wastrel> no i am seeing it in gnome-terminal too
[02:44] <wastrel> switching channel windows in irssi for example,
[02:45] <wastrel> the terminal doesn't redraw after i switch to another terminal until i click the window
[02:45] <wastrel> er switch to another channel
[02:46] <freaky[t]> how do i set up kubuntu to mount a drive where i have my files in automatically?
[02:46] <DaSkreech> !fstab
[02:47] <d4t4min3r> looking for help to determine if this is a bug.. or just a issue im having
[02:48] <bruce89> nobody ever knows
[02:48] <d4t4min3r> 2 issues, firefox is hiding my panel.. its almost like full screen but it doesnt show the close buttons, minimize .. and when using ALT + TAB when scrolling onto Firefox, the screen flashes in and out
[02:50] <leonvv> hello folks
[02:52] <leonvv> im trying to figure out were does intrepid put the new menu.lst file at?
[02:52] <DaSkreech> leonvv: You look familiar
[02:52] <leonvv> um how so
[02:52] <leonvv> lol
[02:53] <bruce89> /boot/grub
[02:53] <DaSkreech> There is a new menu.lst ?
[02:54] <leonvv> for some reason when i try to install the new 2.6.27-6 kernel
[02:54] <leonvv> it wont show on the boot grub menu
[02:54] <leonvv> i understand theres a fall back system now but when i put the new image it doesnt come up on the menu.lst
[02:56] <Jordan_U> leonvv: How did you install the kernel?
[02:56] <leonvv> i went thru synaptic installed both the kernel and image
[02:57] <leonvv> it updates grub and i see that its fine when see the menu.lst,,,,, now when i boot its still on the 2.6.27-4
[02:57] <Jordan_U> leonvv: That's odd, it should show up automagically then
[02:57] <leonvv> oh im also running on RAID0
[02:57] <gnomefreak> i need people to test lightning and/or sunbird from my PPA, you will geet an error about javascript please ignore it for now, its upstreams bug and they are working on it
[02:57] <bruce89> reinstall linux-image-2.6.27-6
[02:58] <gnomefreak> version 0.9
[02:58] <Jordan_U> leonvv: Is your /boot on a separate partition?
[02:58] <gnomefreak> ok back to work on iceowl
[02:58] <leonvv> its on the same raid0 drive
[02:58] <leonvv> with its own partition
[02:58] <leonvv> perhaps it could be that,,,, the system boots no problem though
[02:59] <Jordan_U> leonvv: Can you please pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[03:00] <leonvv> there is also a default file in grub too
[03:00] <Jordan_U> leonvv: My guess is that you actually somehow have two copies of your menu.lst on different partitions and the one being updated is not the one being read at boot
[03:00] <leonvv> hm
[03:01] <leonvv> makes some sense
[03:01] <leonvv> brb
[03:04] <BiosElement> Anyone having a problem with FF which, when going to a new page still has the content from the previous page in parts and needs to be scrolled to fix? Had a similer problem with Gnome file browser as well.
[03:04]  * bruce89 is starting to see a pattern
[03:05] <d4t4min3r> im having a "full page" issue with firefox.. its taking up my whole screen
[03:05] <d4t4min3r> alt + tab is acting weird as well
[03:05] <bruce89> compiz?
[03:05] <httpdss> BiosElement: yes, we discussed it for a bit today with bsnider, but didnt arrive into any conclusions
[03:06] <d4t4min3r> hum good question... im not sure if ubuntu has a key press for Alt+tab or if it through compiz
[03:06] <Jordan_U> BiosElement: Do you have an ati card?
[03:06] <BiosElement> httpdss: Aight, Least I'm not the only one with the problem
[03:06] <BiosElement> Jordan_U: No, Nvidia 8600GT
[03:06] <httpdss> bsnider: im now using nvidia tweaks ;) but same problem ocurres .. i would say worse than before
[03:07] <httpdss> Jordan_U: im using GeForce 8400M GS
[03:08] <leonvv> can i paste my menu list in here?
[03:08] <bruce89> ni
[03:09] <Jordan_U> !paste | leonvv
[03:09] <leonvv> so whats with the post the bin or something
[03:10] <leonvv> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55863/
[03:11] <leonvv> i think its a bug
[03:11] <bsnider> httpdss, what's the exact issue?
[03:12] <bruce89> those are weird kernel arguments
[03:12] <Jordan_U> leonvv: There is no way that that menu.lst is going to boot anything but <IP_ADDRESS> ( well, other than the cached kernel from the last successful boot ) there must be another menu.lst being read at boot
[03:13] <Jordan_U> bruce89: He's using RAID
[03:14] <leonvv> its raid0 so its considered 1 drive
[03:14] <httpdss> bsnider: didn't find it yet... the problems that are happening to me are: Firefox doesnt render quickly, awn is really slow, and the ubuntu menu also has slow rendering when you hover items with the mouse
[03:14] <leonvv> i did a /boot /user /root/ and swap on it
[03:15] <bruce89> /user?
[03:15] <leonvv> i mean home
[03:15] <bsnider> httpdss, change the initialpixmapplacement value to 1
[03:15] <Jordan_U> leonvv: Can you pastebin the output from "mount" ( no arguments )
[03:15] <bruce89> httpdss: welcome to Intrepid
[03:16] <bruce89> does anyone have any solutions to PulseAudio quitting after login
[03:17] <leonvv> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55866/
[03:17] <leonvv> and i know for  a fact that its not fake raid
[03:18] <leonvv> the alternate cd actually recognized it as a raid stripped drive
[03:18] <httpdss> bsnider: hey that worked like a charm ! nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=1    ... i wonder why the nvidia post that you sent me said its convenient to have it set to 2
[03:18] <httpdss> bruce89: its the price of beta, and im willing to afford it :D
[03:19] <bsnider> httpdss, i disagree with that value, but oh well
[03:21] <leonvv> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55866/
[03:21] <bruce89> httpdss: just like the government
[03:21] <bsnider> bruce89, have you tried the recommended pulseaudio setup?
[03:22] <bruce89> being?
[03:22] <bsnider> ok, i guess not
[03:23] <bsnider> bruce89, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=866965
[03:24] <httpdss> BiosElement: i got it working back again with the help of bsnider (thx) ... check out this url http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088     ... and where it says: "nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2"  replace with "nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=1" ;)
[03:25] <BiosElement> httpdss: Aight, I'll check it out.
[03:27] <bruce89> bsnider: I don't trust random modifying files
[03:28] <bsnider> bruce89, alright let me impress a point on you
[03:29] <bsnider> according to lennart (pulse's lead dev), ubuntu does not properly implement pulseaudio, and he receives complaints from ubuntu users about pulse that are not his fault. this forum post contains the information necessary to properly implement pulseaudio
[03:29] <bruce89> I see
[03:30] <bruce89> that's fine then
[03:33] <bsnider> as far as i know, there's only one ubuntu dev working on pulse (luke yelavich) and he doesn't have time to integrate it properly
[03:33] <wastrel> this is an annoying bug
[03:34] <leonvv> u around Jordan
[03:34] <Hobbsee> bsnider: have you (or anyone else) emailed him as to why it's nto working properly, and what can be done to fix it?
[03:34] <DaSkreech> http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/2/24/BillGatesUbuntuLinux.png
[03:35] <bsnider> Hobbsee, emailed who about what?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> bsnider: luke, about pulse.
[03:36] <httpdss> DaSkreech: LOL
[03:36] <bsnider> Hobbsee, i just told you why it isn't working properly
[03:36] <Hobbsee> bsnider: because it's not properly implemented.  you didn't say why it wasn't properly implemented.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> oh, that forum post.
[03:37] <BiosElement> bsnider: Thanks for the help. httpdss: Thanks for letting me know.
[03:37] <bsnider> Hobbsee, yes i did. it isn't properly implemented because canonical doesn't want to allocate the programming resources to it. there's only one guy working on it, and he doesn't have time to work it in correctly
[03:38] <Hobbsee> bsnider: you could help out.  *shrug*
[03:38] <RAOF> bsnider: Actually all the tips in that thread have already been implemented.
[03:38] <bsnider> RAOF, that's good to know
[03:38] <Hobbsee> RAOF: that's what i would have thought, too.  Of course, it's more fun to bash the developers.
[03:39] <RAOF> bsnider: With the exception of the libao thingy, but that should be covered by the default ALSA mapping.
[03:39] <ionstorm> anyone else getting a sound delay with the first login sound when gdm starts?
[03:39] <bsnider> Hobbsee, i'm repeating what lennart said. i'm not bashing anyone
[03:40] <Hobbsee> bsnider: i was meaning in general, not you specifically
[03:40]  * RAOF wonders what our Intrepid testers will find broken in Do now!
[03:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: the new version is uploaded?
[03:41] <httpdss> RAOF: Do = gnome-do ?
[03:41] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Uploaded, and with a couple of extra patches just done.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> RAOF: sweet
[03:41] <Hobbsee> works for me, so far.
[03:41] <RAOF> (Turns out we suck at i18n, and expanding directories)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> RAOF: are you overly interested in gxine?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:42] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I could be described as _negatively_ interested in gxine.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> awww, OK.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> RAOF: are you interested in totem, then?
[03:42] <RAOF> xine is a blot on the otherwise GStreamerful landscape :)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> awww.
[03:42] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Totem, yeah?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> nah, totem with xine.  gstreamer won't let me use the menu on the dvds, iirc.
[03:43] <RAOF> Yeah.  Although it's pretty close to working in intrepid now, I believe.
[03:43] <BiosElement> So has there been a .deb made up for OpenOffice 3.0?
[03:43] <bsnider> RAOF, xine is better for video playback than gstreamer
[03:44] <httpdss> BiosElement: there is a ppa for oo3
[03:44] <bobertdos> Well there are debs available for download as of RC4, so I'm going to assume they'll be ready for final release.
[03:44] <RAOF> bsnider: Feel free to make that case :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh, is it?  I thought it was something they deliberately werent' implemented.
[03:44] <BiosElement> httpdss: Aight, thanks
[03:44] <Hobbsee> er, implementing
[03:44] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Not so much 'deliberately not implemented' as 'yeah, I'll get around to it sometime' not implemented.
[03:44] <RAOF> And "sometime" is now :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ah, right.
[03:45] <bsnider> RAOF, oh, you've never had the wonderful gstreamer screwup where the reds and blues are reversed?
[03:45] <bobertdos> Has anyone found that the CUPS library is broken in the beta as of yet?
[03:45] <RAOF> bsnider: You haven't had the wonderful xine bug where everything's green?
[03:45] <DaSkreech> I was going to test it tomorrow
[03:45] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i've not had either of them.
[03:45] <DaSkreech> RAOF: I had that!!
[03:45] <bsnider> RAOF, no
[03:45] <DaSkreech> I fixed it somehow
[03:45] <Hobbsee> actually, i might push this gxine update.  It does fix the volume bug.
[03:46] <RAOF> bsnider: I'm pretty sure we can trade bugs like that on and on.  Anecdotes aren't a reason :)
[03:46] <bsnider> Rafik, i use smplayer
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: There is a volume bug!
[03:46] <bsnider> but xine is better than gstreamer
[03:46] <DaSkreech> I was wondering why everything was so low
[03:46] <RAOF> You could contend that gstreamer is buggier in general, but I'd dispute that claim.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, it starts up muted for some reason.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: do you want to test a fixed version?
[03:47] <DaSkreech> It wasn't muted for me
[03:47] <DaSkreech> It was just much lower than it was in Heron
[03:48] <DaSkreech> when I turn up my speakers and the volume I can go outside and hear it
[03:48] <httpdss> RAOF: why is epyphany-browser as suggested on gnome-do ? personal taste ?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> in Ibex I have to do that just to hear it in the same room
[03:48] <RAOF> httpdss: It's not gnome-do, it's gnome-do-plugins.  And it's becasue there's a plugin that indexes your Epiphany bookmarks ;)
[03:48] <bsnider> RAOF, gstreamer doesn't handle matroska files
[03:49] <bsnider> so it's not evena n option
[03:49] <wastrel> DaSkreech: did you report a bug on this screen redrawing issue?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> wastrel: Didn't know it was a bug I was just playing around with mplayer and it cropped up
[03:49] <DaSkreech> I kept playing around and couldn't get rid of it
[03:50] <DaSkreech> then when I shut down and turned the computer back on it worked
[03:50] <wastrel> kk i'm submitting one
[03:50] <RAOF> bsnider: Again, gstreamer _does_ handle matroska.  Although I don't have a lot of matroska files, so I can't really comment on how buggy that particular support is.
[03:50] <DaSkreech>  I was getting green lines over the video like a cross between an equalizer and static
[03:50] <DaSkreech> RAOF: hit up an Anime site
[03:50] <DaSkreech> they love mkv
[03:50] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: the menu of yours is normally black, isnt it?
[03:51] <bsnider> RAOF, according to banshee's site, it's a known bug with gstreamer
[03:51] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Menu of what?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: sorry, the thing that has play and pause and all that - the controls - of gxine
[03:51] <RAOF> bsnider: "It's"?  Banshee, until recently, wouldn't import matroska at all (because it wasn't supported by Taglib#).
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Oh no that was fine
[03:52] <DaSkreech> just the video screen
[03:55] <wastrel> i submitted it to launchpad
[03:55] <wastrel> crappy bug report sorry :]
[04:03] <wastrel> i submitted 2 bugs but nobody has responded yet
[04:10] <cwillu> wastrel, want me to respond? :p
[04:10] <wastrel> i don't know, do i?
[04:10] <bsnider> cwillu, don't go around calling people wastrels
[04:12] <wastrel> one of my bugs is really just a user interface annoyance
[04:12] <cwillu> bsnider, you don't call people cwillu, and I won't call people wastrel :p
[04:12] <wastrel> i am not apologizing but i do recognize that it's not a bug as such
[04:12] <cwillu> wastrel, bug #'s?
[04:13] <wastrel> bug 281062
[04:13] <wastrel> bug 281065
[04:14] <cwillu> wastrel, video chipset?
[04:15] <wastrel> it's a crappy bug report i'm tired :]
[04:15] <wastrel> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1)
[04:15] <cwillu> wastrel, what's your current uptime / xorg uptime?
[04:16] <RAOF> wastrel: Uuuuh.  You're doing one of the above: (a) Not running Intrepid, (b) Running an unsupported Xorg in Intrepid, (c) Using mesa's software renderer for compiz!
[04:16] <wastrel> that's a lie i'm not using that card
[04:16] <wastrel> i'm ssh'd to my fileserver for irssi - ignore that
[04:16] <wastrel> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M (rev a1)
[04:17] <wastrel> cwillu: current uptime is 36 minutes
[04:17] <cwillu> wastrel, and it's doing it right now?
[04:19] <wastrel> it's not 100% of the time
[04:19] <wastrel> but yes it's happening
[04:22] <cwillu> wastrel, that's odd (first bug), the glade is resizable afaict
[04:27] <wastrel> RAOF: what's wrong with my fileserver's video card?
[04:28] <RAOF> wastrel: The nv18?   Is it possible to tri boot --- Heron, Intrepid, and Puppy LInux 4.0?
[04:36] <mike-solidus> how do i change my gtk theme?
[04:36] <wastrel> bsnider: read the bug
[04:37] <RAOF> System->Preferences->Appearance.
[04:37] <redvamp128> Or would Intrepid default try to upgrade heron?
[04:37] <cwillu> redvamp128, yes, they just need to be added to the bootloader appropariately
[04:37] <RAOF> redvamp128: Yes, of course it's possible to triple boot.
[04:37] <redvamp128> order please?
[04:37] <bsnider> wastrel, i did
[04:37] <wastrel> here's an order : drop and give me 10
[04:37] <mike-solidus> oh, sorry, how do i change my gtk theme in kde4/kubuntu
[04:37] <cwillu> redvamp128, any order you like
[04:37] <redvamp128> Like with windows-- 98 first/ then win2k/ then XP?
[04:38] <wastrel> bsnider:  squeezing long lists of items into a textarea 5 lines high is bad practice
[04:38] <redvamp128> I already have Heron/Puppy 4.0--(had to manually edit grub to get it to boot)
[04:38] <cwillu> redvamp128, only matters with windows because windows has the habit of taking over the drive.  You can install in any order, just tell each installer to repartition and/or which partitions it should touch
[04:39] <redvamp128> Should I then install intrepid and will it auto add itself to current grub?
[04:39] <cwillu> it should
[04:39] <bsnider> wastrel, looked at that way, perhaps you're correct. on the other hand, it shouldn't be such a long list
[04:39] <cwillu> redvamp128, you may still need to mess with grub, but just make a backup of /boot/grub/menu.lst, and you should be fine
[04:40] <wastrel> yeah that's why i was in there, clearing things out :]
[04:40] <wastrel> would have been easier if i could maximize & avoid scrolling :]
[04:40] <cwillu> there's no reason why it shouldn't be resizable though.  The dialog layout already supports it
[04:41] <redvamp128> I have downloaded the iso but haven't burned it yet may do it this weekend...
[04:41] <redvamp128> also is there any way to pull settings from heron into intrepid?
[04:41] <bsnider> i imagine by the end of the release cycle, the list will be shorter
[04:41] <cwillu> redvamp128, put your home dir on a seperate partition, and your profile settings will follow you around
[04:42] <redvamp128> So that I won't have to re-compile sound and edit modprobe--still haven't got main volume working.
[04:42] <gnomefreak> anyone running kde* and have a grub splash lines at the very top of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:42] <cwillu> redvamp128, you can just copy in the settings from etc, although you'll want to do it selectively (i.e., don't just cp everything)
[04:42] <redvamp128> have to use ALSA mixer for volume control(5.1) sound but only front working (SB audigy LS)
[04:43] <redvamp128> I had to download ALSA and compile it-- thanks to SCGUY for teaching me about compiling..
[04:44] <redvamp128> then found a change to the modprobe on a Gentoo forum...
[04:45] <redvamp128> So that is why I wanted to be able to pull the settings/drivers off heron
[04:50] <wastrel> yeah switching to metacity fixes this annoying window redraw bug
[04:57] <freaky[t]> hi all. i get this error: http://main.freakyy.de/kdevelop.cpp when trying to use kdevelop in Intrepid someone told me there must be problems with the versions of the tools in the buildchain
[04:57] <freaky[t]> does anybody know how to fix that?
[05:03] <td123> So I wanted to figure out how an ubuntu install cd works, can anyone point me in the right direction? I want to know what parts it uses for what ( what  program it uses to install and ...)
[05:06] <wastrel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD  maybe
[05:06] <wastrel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[05:07] <cwillu> td123, right click on the install icon, and start with that program.  The first couple levels are all readable files
[05:08] <cwillu> as far as boot up and the like is concerned, you'll want to learn how that works on a normal system first
[05:11] <td123> cwillu: I'm not going to be using that part
[05:11] <cwillu> td123, which, normal system?
[05:11] <td123> cwillu: I will not use that part. ***
[05:12] <td123> cwillu: I'm just curious on how the actual install behaves
[05:13] <cwillu> so, right click the installer, check what file it calls, and look at that :p
[05:13] <elfgoh> I have an issue with intrepid using an nvidia card. My current problem is that my GUI always loads 1024x768 resolution. I can only change it to 1152x864 using "nvidia x server settings", not gnome "screen resolution". But this change is not permanent. Any bright ideas on how to set 1152x864 resolution permanently?
[05:13] <leonvv> is there a way to change a drives boot status?
[05:13] <td123> leonvv: I think you want to look at the bios, or are you just talking about grub?
[05:13] <leonvv> currently my bootable drive is sda2
[05:14] <leonvv> i want to change it to sda1
[05:14] <leonvv> the boot flags that is sorry..
[05:14] <cwillu> elfgoh, if you run their tool as root, it can write an xorg file that'll save that resolution.  alternatively, nvidia-settings also has a command option you can add to apply stored settings, so you can just add it to your session
[05:15] <elfgoh> cwillu: ok tks will give it a try
[05:29] <jesseboi> Hi there.  I'm trying to use usb-creator to have persistent file system on the usb drive.  With the daily build of Ibex it doesn't seem to work.  Has anyone had success with Hardy + usb-creator?
[05:31] <elfgoh> cwillu: using ur suggested method of using nvidia x server to save a new xorg.conf, the new xorg.conf cannot start gdm. But I resolved my earlier problem and started X, by moving relevant parts of the screen section, from the nvidia xorg.conf to the default one generated by ubuntu
[05:32] <elfgoh> shld i file a report?
[05:32] <cwillu> elfgoh, if you want.  The bug is ultimately in nvidia's lack of support of xrandr 1.2 though, and then in nvidia's settings tool
[05:33] <freaky[t]> hi all. i get this error: http://main.freakyy.de/kdevelop.cpp when trying to use kdevelop in Intrepid someone told me there must be problems with the versions of the tools in the buildchain can anyone help me with this?
[05:33] <cwillu> elfgoh, filing a bug with nvidia is probably the most useful, in the hopes that enough people bug them for them to fix it :)
[05:34] <cwillu> freaky[t], if you're gonna ask for help, you _might_ wanna make sure your url works :p
[05:34] <elfgoh> cwillu: i am willing to do both... but is filing with launchpad helpful at all?
[05:35] <cwillu> elfgoh, yep.  If nothing else, the documentation can always be improved
[05:35] <elfgoh> cwillu: ok cool will do that right away
[05:35] <freaky[t]> oh it's http://main.freakyy.de/kdevelop.txt
[05:35] <freaky[t]> sorry ;D
[05:37] <mkhlnsh> howdy. i've just updated from 8.04 and i see some packages that i did not had installed before, that i never used, and that are NOT suported by Canonical AND that are not part of Ubuntu. what is this?
[05:37] <freaky[t]> hi all. i get this error: http://main.freakyy.de/kdevelop.txt when trying to use kdevelop in Intrepid someone told me there must be problems with the versions of the tools in the buildchain can anyone help me with this?
[05:38] <cwillu> freaky[t], you need to stop spamming that every 5 minutes :(
[05:38] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, can you be more specific?
[05:38] <freaky[t]> sorry i ust wanted to say it with the correct url
[05:38] <freaky[t]> just
[05:38] <cwillu> freaky[t], what's the source?
[05:39] <freaky[t]> the source is ok.
[05:39] <cwillu> freaky[t], that's nice.  What's the source?
[05:39] <freaky[t]> the source: #include <iostream> and a single int main(void) { return 0; }
[05:39] <cwillu> freaky[t], what's the command you typed, what are the instructions given...
[05:39] <freaky[t]> i didnt type any command im using kdevelop
[05:40] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, ?
[05:41] <cwillu> freaky[t], are you following a guide?
[05:41] <freaky[t]> no
[05:41] <freaky[t]> well, im just trying to start a new project
[05:41] <freaky[t]> but it doesnt work since im using Intrepid
[05:43] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, i'l name just audacious, audacious-plugins and audacious-plugins-extra. but there are many more like this 3. and i see now that there are many more that where installed with 8.04 and they where part of the 8.04 and now they seem not to be part of 8.10. i'l name just gnome-volume-manager and cupsys-common, but here are many more like this 2.
[05:45] <mkhlnsh> i just don't understand, packages that where part of the default 8.04 are not suported anymore or what? and why did update-manager installed packages that are not part of the official 8.10?
[05:45] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, it didn't
[05:45] <cwillu> 8.04 uses some different packages from 8.10
[05:46] <cwillu> if you didn't click to remove them (or they were previously installed by the user in 8.04), they'll still be installed after an upgrade to 8.10
[05:47] <mkhlnsh> then how do you explain audacious, thunderbird and others, that where installed with tthe update from 8.04 to 8.10? i did not ever installed, nor used them and i did not had them on the system.
[05:48] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, did you originally install from xubuntu?
[05:49] <mkhlnsh> no.
[05:50] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, pastebin the contents of /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[05:53] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/55895/
[05:56] <DanaG> OOh, new build of compiz... I wonder if it includes the changed way of doing animations.
[05:56] <DanaG> compiz (1:0.7.8-0ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low
[05:56] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Changed in what way?
[05:57] <_ln> ..
[05:57] <DanaG> Now you can use other plugins to add possible animations.
[05:57] <DanaG> In the git compiz, that is.
[05:57] <DanaG> But... I don't know if 0.7.8 has that change in it.
[05:57] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, it didn't install thunderbird during the upgrade
[05:58] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, what do i have to look for on this file? lines 63, 64 and 65 or something else?
[06:01] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, run "zgrep thunder /var/log/dpkg* > ~/zgrep.output" and then pastebin the contents of zgrep.output (it'll be in your home directory)
[06:04] <urban_ryoga> Hey guys. I'm having a problem that I cannot connect to my wireless router after installing Intrepid Ibex. There is no longer an option to pass the 64-bit hex encryption my router requires
[06:05] <cwillu> bug #274922
[06:06] <urban_ryoga> ah. I can't downgrade the network manager?
[06:07] <cwillu> urban_ryoga, it would defeat the purpose of helping to test a new release.  You may be able to connect via 'connect to a hidden network'
[06:07] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, still there?
[06:07] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, i see, thunderbird was installed 3 days ago. i'l have to ask my brother about that. but what about audacious this is clear that it was installed at the upgrade. http://paste.ubuntu.com/55899/ (output of zgrep thunder /var/log/dpkg)
[06:08] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, sorry it's the the output of zgrep auda /var/log/dpkg*
[06:09] <BiosElement> Is there a bug with the App-Games Menu with the Category? A couple updates ago it sorted things into folders. Now i can't even edit the folders and all the launchers are in the primary games folder.
[06:10] <punkrockguy318> i'm experiencing remnants of the text cursor when i move the cursor around in openoffice... is this a known issue and is there a solution for this?
[06:10] <mkhlnsh> BiosElement, i know that on debian lenny/sid are sorted in folders. i've never seen them sorted on ubuntu.
[06:11] <BiosElement> mkhlnsh: Aight. I've been looking through bug reports but haven't found anything really. Was hoping someone might have heard of it.
[06:13] <cwillu> BiosElement, I saw a changelog about that the other day, something about reverting a patch from debian to the games folder structure
[06:14] <BiosElement> cwillu, Thanks. That's probably it.
[06:14] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, check the zgrep with 'streamripper'
[06:16] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, or streamtuner
[06:17] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, ya might be right about xubuntu. my brother say he installed xubuntu 3 days ago just to check it. it installed with apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, saved a file with all the packages there had to be installed and after that he uninstalled all the packages with apt-get purge *** (where *** means the content of the file he saved)
[06:18] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, ya, I know :p
[06:18] <cwillu> I'm _usually_ right about these things :p
[06:18] <cwillu> that being said, there's nothing malicious in the ubuntu repositories (including universe/multiverse)
[06:19] <cwillu> 'unsupported' just means that it's not supported by canonical.  everything in universe is still supported by somebody (usually debian, kinda sorta)
[06:20] <cwillu> honestly, you should be more worried about having third-party repositories enabled, they're by far a bigger security threat than random universe packages
[06:21] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, streamtuner and some other packages where installed by me before update, but not all. i think the other packages are from xubuntu. but still i don't get how these packages from xubuntu, like audacious i think, where installed. as you can see on the last pastebin, audacious had no package installed before upgrade.
[06:21] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, audacious is a dependency of streamtuner
[06:22] <mkhlnsh> since when?
[06:22] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, since it was installed
[06:22] <cwillu> (audacious, not streamtuner)
[06:24] <mkhlnsh> i've installed streamtuner about 4 months ago and it did not asked for it, nor on updates. and there was no package installed for audacious before update.
[06:24] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, you're not listening
[06:25] <cwillu> audacious is a dependency of streamtuner as of intrepid
[06:25] <cwillu> (i.e., when it was installed)
[06:26] <Jordan_U> mkhlnsh: cwillu: It is not really a dependency, it's a recommendation, and it always has been, but in intrepid recommendations are installed by default
[06:27] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, xmms is severely deprecated, and audacious is the successor in spirit afaik.  Anyways, I really have no interest in walking you through dependency trees to figure out why such-and-such a package is installed :p
[06:27] <mkhlnsh> Jordan_U, now this is something new for me, thanks.
[06:27]  * cwillu thinks ubuntu really needs to put stronger warnings on beta releases :(
[06:28] <Jordan_U> mkhlnsh: np
[06:29] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, thanks for helping. it should. really i did not see any "warning" about this recommendation thing.
[06:29] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, your warning was 'intrepid is beta software, and may break your system'
[06:29] <cwillu> but I still don't see the problem
[06:30] <cwillu> it told you what new packages were to be installed, it disabled any third-party repositories (that could otherwise take advantage of the upgrade)
[06:30] <cwillu> nothing broke (that you've spoken of)
[06:30] <Hobbsee> cwillu: you need to invent a way of smashing people thru their computer screens for that.
[06:30] <TuTUXG> lol
[06:31] <cwillu> Hobbsee, I'm working on it, but I can't do much until xorg can more reliably detect lcd vs crt (different patterns required to generate a holographic fist :p)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> cwillu: also, it'll get release-noted in the final.
[06:32] <cwillu> maybe the alpha/beta images should set max-volume on all mixer channels, and run ubuntu-sax via upstart, so that only people who know their way around the system can bear to try it :p
[06:32] <cwillu> s/run/play/g
[06:34] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, well i didn't expect to have programs installed _just_ because they are a _recommendation_ of some other. i knew it's beta and i expected to see some things broken. but yes it may be my fault since i read only yhe packages that are being removed and not those that have to be installed.
[06:34] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, What Broke?
[06:35] <mkhlnsh> atm, nothing that i can see. but i'm still checking :p
[06:35] <cwillu> I can admit that "installing audacious" should probably be considered a bug in any modern user-friendly distro, but I still wouldn't call installing a package 'breakage'
[06:36] <mkhlnsh> :))
[06:37] <cwillu> urban_ryoga, any luck?
[06:41] <mkhlnsh> one more thing. my internet connection is a PPPOE one. since it is the only one i've used pppoeconf to configure it, and i've disabled network manager from starting. i would like to know if this might be a problem. or maybe should i enable network manager?
[06:42] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, nm has support for pppoe now I believe, although you may need to install one package
[06:42] <cwillu> I may be lying though
[06:42] <cwillu> I think I am
[06:43] <mkhlnsh> +1 :-"
[06:44] <mkhlnsh> but will nm work even in recovery mode?
[06:44] <cwillu> mkhlnsh, there's some pppoe entries in the network-manager changelog, so it might work
[06:45] <mkhlnsh> then i think i just vae to check it.
[06:45] <mkhlnsh> cwillu, thanks again for help. :)
[06:46] <cwillu> bug
[06:46] <cwillu> bug #258741
[06:46] <cwillu> bug #258742
[06:46]  * cwillu pokes mkhlnsh with a stick
[06:46]  * mkhlnsh is "one more happy intrepid user"
[06:47] <cwillu> amusingly enough, I have now have a splitting headache
[06:47] <cwillu> I don't think I can blame you for it though :p
[06:47] <mkhlnsh> :D
[06:49]  * cwillu pokes urban_ryoga with a pointy stick
[07:08] <Ayabara> Anyone using kde4? I have problems getting dual screen. My secondary display is all white. I can move windows and the mouse pointer there, but a right-click doesn't show me any context menu.
[07:09] <DanaG> WEP?  People still use WEP?
[07:09] <DanaG> Sorry, reading scrollback.
[07:13] <RAOF> DanaG: Some people like sharing their network with random, technologically savvy, strangers I guess.
[07:15] <cwillu> RAOF, ... specifically.
[07:15] <cwillu> sharing their networks specifically with ... :p
[07:15] <cwillu> ...with questionable ethics
[07:16] <cwillu> DanaG, hex guy?
[07:16] <DanaG> HUh?
[07:16] <DanaG> hex guy?
[07:17] <cwillu> that was the last wep thing I saw
[07:17] <cwillu> guy trying to use hex wep keys in network manager
[07:17] <cwillu> DanaG, but yes, the local telco here has been putting all-in-one dsl wireless routers in for all their customers.  They're all 2wire###, and they all use wep
[07:18] <cwillu> it's almost like we have proper a proper public wireless mesh, except for the 2 minutes it takes to associate when you move from one to the next
[07:20] <Lynoure> Is there any way to get dual monitor settings in KDE4 to take effect right from login? I always seem to need to go open Display settings in System Settings before my external monitor gets the right resolution
[07:20] <cwillu> who uses kde?
[07:20] <Lynoure> and then I need to resize panel by hand
[07:20] <Lynoure> cwillu: I'm sorry, but #kubuntu+1 forwards to this channel
[07:21] <cwillu> Lynoure, next you'll be telling me that installing from the kubuntu iso results in a kde setup...
[07:21] <Lynoure> cwillu: If you think it's wrong and kubuntu+1 questions should be somewhere else, please ask the ops for a separate channel for it (it could be nice)
[07:22] <stdin> Lynoure, cwillu: #kubuntu+1 exists, and forwards here, as it should
[07:22] <cwillu> probably not enough traffic for two seperate useful +1 channels
[07:23] <cwillu> I just have nothing useful to say, and so obviously contribute by providing not-very-comic relief
[07:23] <Ayabara> Lynoure: but other than needing to adjust resolution it works for you?
[07:23] <Lynoure> cwillu: it was comic the first time someone did it, but it happens too often and as result feels just like dissing :(
[07:24] <Ayabara> I have an xorg.conf that gives me dual screen with correct resolution from startup, but I have other issues with it. The secondary display is all white, though I can move windows there
[07:24] <Lynoure> Ayabara: I don't even need to adjust it, just open the Display settings (after adjusting them once), but I have same image on both displays, not separate ones (that's ok for me)
[07:25] <cwillu> Lynoure, could probably hack around it by adding the display settings to your startup session, but I doubt that's what you had in mind
[07:26] <Lynoure> cwillu: that's the lesser part, the panel resizing need is the more of the hassle
[07:26] <Ayabara> Lynoure: ok. I need different images and resolutions, so I have put some xrandr-stuff in xorg.conf.
[07:26] <Ayabara> btw, is there a working fglrx-driver for intrepid yet?
[07:26] <Lynoure> I guess it resizes itself automatically for the smaller screen, but not for the bigger
[07:27] <Ayabara> for the Xorg version in Intrepid, I mean
[07:27] <RAOF> Ayabara: Nope.
[07:28] <Lynoure> Ayabara: which ATI card you have?
[07:35] <shirish> hi all, how do I get rid of the gnome-do thing?
[07:36] <TuTUXG> aptitude purge gnome-do
[07:36] <shirish> TuTUXG: thanx, just did that
[07:36] <shirish> TuTUXG: sometimes the head doesn't work right ;)
[07:37] <Ayabara> Lynoure: ATI X1400
[07:37] <shirish> I have another issue gentleman, after yesterday's updates/upgrades GNOME doesn't work anymore, it freezes, any ideas?
[07:38] <Ayabara> Lynoure: Mobility X1400, says lspci
[07:38] <shirish> right now in XFCE desktop so able to do something.
[07:40] <danbh_intrepid> shirish: try this: sudo apt-get install compiz
[07:41] <danbh_intrepid> shirish: or, even this exact command (no typos here): sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[07:43] <cwillu> danbh_intrepid, what does the carrot do?
[07:44] <shirish> danbh_intrepid: I have ubuntu-desktop as well as compiz, I just don't use compiz
[07:45] <shirish> danbh_intrepid: lemme revert that
[07:45] <shirish> danbh_intrepid: what the hell, seems ubuntu-desktop was removed by one of the updates/upgrades
[07:46] <danbh_intrepid> cwillu: it makes it a task
[07:46] <danbh_intrepid> !tasksel
[07:48] <cwillu> Lynoure, I will admit, koffice 2.0 is starting to look pretty compelling
[07:49] <danbh_intrepid> shirish: did compiz get installed?  I know yesterday morning's updates broke compiz, and uninstalled it.  Anyway, Im going to bed
[07:49] <shirish> danbh_intrepid: I'm still installing ubuntu-desktop
[07:49] <shirish> danbh_intrepid: GN :)
[07:49] <danbh_intrepid> mk, good luck  :)
[08:07] <visik7> oh god, this intrepid piss me off wireless doesn't work anymore, and boot it's really problematc
[08:09] <pen> hey
[08:09] <pen> visik7, beta?
[08:10] <visik7> yes
[08:10] <visik7> latest upgrades
[08:13] <visik7> I'm afraid that those bugs will not be fixed before the final release :/
[08:14] <pen> visik7, what bugs?
[08:15] <visik7> pen: my wireless doesn't work and I can't boot with the ac plugged
[08:17] <pen> visik7, strange
[08:17] <pen> visik7, what' s your wifi card?
[08:17] <visik7> iwl3945
[08:18] <TuTUXG> visik7, i have the same card and works fantastic under intrepid beta
[08:19] <DanaG> I resume from suspend... and I have to unload and reload iwl3945 to get any networks.  Grr!
[08:19] <visik7> TuTUXG: it's some messy with acpi and rfkill I dunno what the hell is going on with the intel wireless stack
[08:20] <visik7> they change everything 2 month
[08:21] <TuTUXG> then it's not ubuntu's responsibility if they wont work properly
[08:22] <TuTUXG> DanaG, ironically, that happened to me when i was using hardy
[08:23] <DanaG> It'll also have wlan0 actually down... as in ifconfig wlan0 down.
[08:23] <pen> DanaG, mine is a little different
[08:24] <pen> if I physically turn the wifi off, if I want to turn it on again, I need to bring the interface up manually
[08:24] <pen> so turning if off works but turn it on need some typing energy
[08:24] <pen> I wonder if that's fixed in intrepid
[08:24] <DanaG> I actually sometimes get it disabling the INTERRUPT of the device.
[08:24] <DanaG> Intel wifi better for Linux.... hah!
[08:25] <DanaG> Not in my experience.
[08:27] <pen> sign
[08:27] <pen> they just never improves it
[08:27] <pen> sometiems
[08:27] <pen> sometimes
[08:27] <pen> I wish they would spend on fixing those bugs
[08:28] <pen> it would make my life so much easier
[08:28] <pen> I also really want some interface designer team in ubuntu so they can work on designing interface maybe more superior than mac and windows
[08:30] <elmargol> pen: your donations are wellcome!
[08:31] <pen> elmargol, welsome aboard :)
[08:31] <pen> oops
[08:31] <pen> welcome
[08:50] <Ratchet4620> hey um i thgink im in a bit of a jam...  I'm in the middle of upgrading from KDE3 to 8.10 and i think the install is frozen
[08:55] <pen> Ratchet4620, try again
[08:55] <Ratchet4620> lol
[08:55] <mvo> Ratchet4620: is it still running?
[08:56] <Ratchet4620> yes
[08:56] <Ratchet4620> its just stuck on
[08:56] <mvo> Ratchet4620: does the terminal show anything (if you expand it) ? or is that frozen as well?
[08:56] <Ratchet4620> no taht working
[08:56] <Ratchet4620> *thats working
[08:56] <mvo> what does it show? could you make a screenshot maybe and put it somewhere?
[08:57] <Ratchet4620> its just hasnt made any progress in like 30 mins and is stuck on virtualbox-ose
[08:57] <Ratchet4620> and it has said that there is 19 mins left for 30 mins as well
[08:58] <Ratchet4620> maybe its trying to devide by zero?
[08:58] <Ratchet4620> :P
[08:59] <mvo> Ratchet4620: oh, virtualbox-ose :/
[09:00] <mvo> Ratchet4620: that might be it, it asks a debconf question about the old snapshots and the kde frontend does not display debconf questions
[09:00] <mvo> Ratchet4620: please try pressing ctl-c in the temrinal, it will claim that virtucalbox-ose is broken, but that is ok (and not really true)
[09:01] <Ratchet4620> ALl right! its continuing the install again! thanks !
[09:03] <Ratchet4620> hope fully i wont have to be back thanks all
[09:05] <pen> cool
[09:05] <pen> did you backup your data?
[09:27] <kane77> hi, when will the power off button be fixed (it is log out button now)? not that it's the most important t
[09:27] <kane77> hing on earth
[09:28] <dmh65> will ati release a fglrx driver for xorg 7.4 before the Ibex release date?
[09:29] <dmh65> does anyone know anything
[09:30] <dmh65> seems daft
[09:30] <dmh65> there are a lot of ati ubuntu users out there
[09:31] <kane77> yes there are..  I didnt read it properly I thought you said there are lot of anti ubuntu :D
[09:32] <dmh65> their all in opensuse :)
[09:32] <kane77> I don't ignore ati users :D
[09:33] <pen> lol
[09:33] <pen> I don't use opensuse, not my style
[09:33] <kane77> got to go.. breakfast and then school
[09:33] <dmh65> I used SuSE since 6.3
[09:34] <dmh65> went naff after 9.0 > 9.1
[09:34] <dmh65> well icky now
[09:34] <pen> ?
[09:34] <dmh65> breaks a lot
[09:34] <pen> so are  you using two?
[09:34] <pen> oh
[09:35] <dmh65> nah, SuSE 9.0 wont install on my new pc
[09:35] <dmh65> besides Ubuntu is the boy now
[09:36] <dmh65> Tried Ibex, update packager broke on me yesterday, so I am back to Hardy and my 3d ati driver thank you very much
[09:38] <dmh65> just bought a bottle of single malt, so watch out a bit later :)
[09:43] <dmh65> any Welsh in here?
[09:52] <johnflux> Is it possible to install kde3 ?
[09:52] <johnflux> If I boot into kde4, it eats all my memory (2GB) and all my swap (2GB) and dies.  and this is before its got as far as bringing up plasma etc
[09:55] <johnflux> if i boot into gnome, the window manager doesn't start
[09:55] <johnflux> so I can run programs etc, but no window manager :-D
[09:55] <johnflux> i think something got seriously screwed up :-)
[10:18] <tMish> Where do I report kde4 bug ?
[10:19] <bugabundo_work1> in the usual place, tMish
[10:19] <bugabundo_work1> why?
[10:19] <bugabundo_work1> as long as you mention the package version, you should be fine
[10:20] <tMish> the mailing list ?
[10:22] <bugabundo_work1> no tMish
[10:22] <bugabundo_work1> all probs/bugs should be filed on launchpad
[10:22] <tMish> What is usual place then
[10:22] <bugabundo_work1> don't you know it?
[10:22] <bugabundo_work1> !launchpad
[10:22] <bugabundo_work1> www.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[10:23] <tMish> Why not on kde mailing list
[10:23] <bugabundo_work1> if you need help, tMish let us know
[10:23] <bugabundo_work1> mailinglists are for discussion
[10:23] <bugabundo_work1> not but triaging
[10:23] <bugabundo_work1> !mailinglist
[10:23] <bugabundo_work1> !mailinglists
[10:23] <elmargol> Is there a site to report bugs to nvidia?
[10:24] <elmargol> upstream bugs i mean
[10:24] <bugabundo_work1> elmargol: if it is bugs on Ubuntu package its on LP, other wise you need to go upstream
[10:24] <bugabundo_work1> let me find nvidia's BTS
[10:24] <elmargol> bugabundo_work1: ubuntu builds the driver from source...
[10:25] <bugabundo_work1> elmargol: it seems they like to use foruns for that
[10:25] <mrtimdog> Is it possible to order, by some kind of interface based priority, the default routes added my the network manager?
[10:26] <mrtimdog> I have two default routes for both eth0 and wlan0, I'd prefer eth0 as the primary default, but it's random as to which gets setup first.
[10:27] <bugabundo_work1> mrtimdog: not that I know much about it, but I think it should work as random
[10:28] <bugabundo_work1> I see no place to put weighs
[10:28] <tMish> mrtimdog, deactivate eth0
[10:28] <tMish> oops
[10:29] <tMish> deactivate wlan0
[10:29] <mrtimdog> bugabundo_work1: even if ethX and wlanX connect to very different networks?
[10:29] <bugabundo_work1> no
[10:29] <bugabundo_work1> in that case the routes
[10:29] <bugabundo_work1> set where the package goes
[10:29] <bugabundo_work1> accordign to its header
[10:29] <mrtimdog> tMish: That's the easy way, but it doesn't persist on reboots as far as I can tell.
[10:29] <bugabundo_work1> I thought you said they were both connected to the same network
[10:29] <tMish> mrtimdog, of course it does
[10:30] <bugabundo_work1> mrtimdog: NM 0.7 as some newer ways to do more advanced settings
[10:30] <bugabundo_work1> but you have to enable them
[10:30] <bugabundo_work1> let me get you that email from asac
[10:30] <tMish> bugabundo_work1, is there character interface to NM ?
[10:30] <mrtimdog> bugabundo_work1: Yeah, I noticed that, it's looking good :)
[10:30] <bugabundo_work1> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026656.html
[10:31] <bugabundo_work1> also please open a Question on LP awnsers
[10:31] <bugabundo_work1> it will be easier to track, and help others in the future
[10:31] <bugabundo_work1> tMish: what's charater interface ?
[10:31] <tMish> tty
[10:31] <tMish> console
[10:31] <tMish> shell
[10:32] <tMish> terminfo
[10:32] <bugabundo_work1> not sure...
[10:32] <tMish> it sucks so much that NMs are all distro-specific
[10:32] <tMish> every one is defective in  something
[10:32] <tMish> there is no law that NM can't be cross-distro
[10:34] <Jordan_U> tMish: In what way is network-manager distro specific?
[10:35] <gaminggeek>  whats wrong with the one in intrepid?
[10:35] <gaminggeek> apart from the fact that is seems to favor wireless over wired
[10:37] <bugabundo_work1> yes it seems to do that
[10:37] <bugabundo_work1> I reported today a funny bug
[10:37] <bugabundo_work1> my wifi won't see networks UNTIL I suspend and resume my laptop
[10:37] <bugabundo_work1> lolol
[10:37] <bugabundo_work1> people usually complain the other way arounb
[10:37] <bugabundo_work1> *around
[10:38] <gaminggeek> oh yea there is the one problem how if I go into school with the laptop suspended it will try and connect to the home network
[10:38] <gaminggeek> and if I'm at home it will try and connect to the school one
[10:38] <gaminggeek> kinda irritating
[10:38] <gaminggeek> but not as irritating as not connecting at all
[10:39] <BigD> hi there. have a problem after upgrading my ubuntu to 8.10: i come to the kde-login-screen but there my mouse and keyboard aren´t responding any more....
[10:40] <gaminggeek> sounds odd
[10:40] <gaminggeek> maybe try moving the mouse a bit and waiting......
[10:41] <gaminggeek> I had a problem that like years and years ago
[10:41] <BigD> if i edit my xorg.conf and add the lines for keyboard i can login, but after every login i get a black screen and it throws me back to login-screen
[10:42] <BigD> funny, waiting a few minutes now at the login-screen and now the mouse also works. but everytime i login i get black-screen throwing me back to login
[10:43] <BigD> has anyone an idea how to fix it?
[10:44] <gaminggeek> when the problem was happening to me it was because I set the mouse driver to be auto
[10:44] <BigD> the stranger thing to me is the login.... ^^
[10:45] <gaminggeek> did you upgrade using the update manager... or did you install a fresh?
[10:46] <BigD> i updatet with update-manager. fresh install didn´t work, it always ended up in total black screen
[10:49] <dmh65> I went back to Hardy this morning
[10:50] <dmh65> that update manager has a problem I reckon
[10:51] <dmh65> things started going odd for me the day before yesterday
[10:57] <BigD> the problem i have with hardy is that it needs too much power ^^ my friend is using II since a few days and only needs ~1500mA on his notebook, my Notebook with hardy never runs with less than 2500mA AFTER optimizing it (my friend changed NOTHING on his 8.10)...
[10:58] <dmh65> strange how software can determine power usage
[10:58] <dmh65> I see Dell have a 19hr notebook now?
[10:59] <BigD> looks like II has some better power-saving features
[10:59] <dmh65> battery weighs half a ton :)
[11:00] <BigD> lol
[11:00] <dmh65> I fancy a acer gemstone
[11:01] <dmh65> next buy when I have some spare cash
[11:03] <hechu> ikonia: I've started up my 8.10 beta's X environment by following your tips. thank you.
[11:03] <ikonia> hechu no problem
[11:03] <dmh65> well done
[11:03] <ikonia> hechu don't even remember giving you a tip,
[11:04] <dmh65> geez its easy for some heh
[11:04] <dmh65> :)
[11:05] <hechu> ikonia:  oh, about 3 or 4 days ago. you told me should modify xorg.conf by myself.
[11:05] <ikonia> ooh, well, glad your working
[11:06]  * BigD hört jetzt Sonata Arctica - Unopened [03:43m/320Kbps/44KHz]
[11:06] <hechu> dmh65: yes, I think it should be easy for somebody.
[11:09] <hetauma> hi I have just installed intrepid on my laptop that has a broadcom bcm4306 wifi adapter. When I do ifconfig I don't see any wifi adapter. Also under restricted drivers there is no device available there so I can download drivers. Also when doing lsmod I can see that b43 is loaded. Any ideas?
[11:12] <dmh65> the harder you work the easier it becomes
[11:12] <dmh65> so they say
[11:13] <dmh65> hetauma you need a driver
[11:14] <dmh65> hate to say this but, Google may be your friend
[11:16] <dmh65> hetauma does it work in Hardy?
[11:17] <hetauma> dmh65 yes and just found a bug in launchpad for bcm4306 and kernel 2.6.27
[11:17] <dmh65> also have you had any distro on it and it has worked
[11:17] <dmh65> :)
[11:18] <dmh65> thats mad the new kernel is for improved hardware etc etc.  ?
[11:18] <hetauma> it has been working since 7.04 when I started using ubuntu
[11:18] <dmh65> :)
[11:18] <dmh65> ubuntu might shot themselves in the foot with 8.10 its only 20 days away from release
[11:19] <dmh65> *shoot
[11:19] <dmh65> and this no ati driver is crazy
[11:19] <Cheery> hey! I have some major problem here
[11:19] <Cheery> cheery@ruttunen:~$ sudo aptitude install test
[11:19] <Cheery> Reading package lists... Done
[11:19] <Cheery> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:20] <hetauma> dmh65 I also have ati and there are no driveres listed under restricted drivers too
[11:20] <dmh65> its xorg 7.4 there are none
[11:20] <dmh65> its what I dont understand
[11:20] <dmh65> fed 9 did it too
[11:21] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:22] <jscinoz> is it a known issue or just me, that there are no virtual consoles?
[11:22] <jscinoz> ie tty1-6
[11:22] <dmh65> even suse11 uses 7.3
[11:22] <dmh65> and they are kin to amd
[11:22] <Cheery> oh, I'm not screwed after all! apt-get works! :)
[11:22] <dmh65> :)
[11:23] <Cheery> how to update the whole system through apt-get?
[11:23] <dmh65> same as usual
[11:23] <dmh65> apt-get update  apt-get upgrade
[11:23] <hetauma> Cheery apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
[11:24] <dmh65> I would have thought
[11:24] <dmh65> :)
[11:24] <Cheery> uh
[11:24] <Cheery> apt-get still crashes on reading state information
[11:24] <dmh65> this is a beta :)
[11:24] <dmh65> more like alpha
[11:25] <dmh65> all these terms confuse
[11:25] <dmh65> testing is good
[11:26] <dmh65> not released, and they only have 20 days to go
[11:26] <Cheery> hmm
[11:26] <Cheery> only upgrade is broken
[11:26] <dmh65> hmm indeed
[11:26] <dmh65> does it say why?
[11:26] <Cheery> ti just says segfault
[11:27] <dmh65> repo?
[11:27] <Cheery> hmm, add/remove programs appear to work
[11:27] <dmh65> good old gui
[11:27] <Cheery> synaptic also seems to work
[11:28] <dmh65> use it
[11:31] <levander> I'm looking at the feature list for Ibex, doesn't seem to be anything very interesting there.
[11:32] <dmh65> new login screen is nice
[11:32] <hechu> kde is cool.
[11:32] <dmh65> really
[11:32] <dmh65> since when :)
[11:33] <dmh65> tried xubuntu, thats not bad
[11:33] <levander> new login scree, hard to get excited over that
[11:33] <dmh65> menues too small though
[11:33] <dmh65> its something
[11:34] <dmh65> messengers integrate with the logout function, neat but not perfected yet I think
[11:35] <dmh65> must admit though 8.10 may equal why?
[11:35] <dmh65> *menus
[11:35] <Cheery> I hope they fix the aptitude soon
[11:36] <jianfei> does the dust theme have a login screen as well?
[11:36] <dmh65> sure they will come shining through in the end though
[11:36] <dmh65> dust?
[11:36] <levander> dmh65: Hopefully they've spent the time working on stuff that will come out in later releases...
[11:36] <jianfei> dmh65: yes dust theme
[11:36] <levander> Cause it sure ain't in Ibex.
[11:37] <dmh65> :)
[11:37] <dmh65> I started at Hardy
[11:37] <jianfei> ibex wireless is fantastic for laptops
[11:37] <dmh65> were the changes noticable before?
[11:37] <dmh65> I started at hardy because my old pc hated Ubuntu
[11:38] <dmh65> this one loves it
[11:38] <levander> dmh65: I'm still on Gutsy.  This was the first release where Compiz got at least almost stable.  There's usually something to get excited about.
[11:38] <dmh65> Hardy was PERFECT for me, excuse the caps
[11:39] <jianfei> levander: do you like the deformation/cylinder compiz setting in intrepid?
[11:39] <maxb> Since upgrading to intrepid I've been experiencing regular visual corruption of compiz-ized window titlebars. (GeForce 6500, nvidia-177). It's a hard thing to write a sensible bug report on, or search for though. Has anyone else seen this?
[11:39] <hechu> !ati
[11:39] <levander> jianfei: I haven't tried it yet.
[11:39] <levander> jianfei: Haven't tried Intrepid yet.  I was just reading about it.
[11:39] <jianfei> levander: its very nice..
[11:40] <bugabundo_work1> maxb yes it's a known bug
[11:40] <levander> jianfei: What do you like about it?
[11:40] <maxb> bugabundo_work1: excellent, do you know the launchpad number?
[11:40] <jianfei> levander: intrepid or compiz?
[11:40] <levander> jianfei: Intrepid.
[11:40] <bugabundo_work1> maxb https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904
[11:40] <maxb> thanks!
[11:40] <dmh65> maxb yes its a known bug
[11:40] <bugabundo_work1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/270662
[11:41] <jianfei> levander: the wireless connectivity for laptops
[11:41] <paul68> is there a solution for the creative labs xfi drivers in this release?
[11:41] <bugabundo_work1> maxb https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904/comments/33
[11:41] <jianfei> levander: im using it at work
[11:41] <jianfei> fantastic
[11:41] <levander> jianfei: Laptops wouldn't connect wirelessly before Intrepid?
[11:42] <jianfei> levander: they did, but it seems to work better for me using intrepid
[11:42] <maxb> It seems to work worse for me using intrepid :-/
[11:42] <jianfei> lol
[11:43] <maxb> but hopefully NetworkManager is stabilising a bit now
[11:43] <jianfei> maxb: i always use a HP with broadcom wireless to test it ;-)
[11:43] <hechu> yes, NetworkManager often crash on my PC.
[11:44] <Cheery> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/183204
[11:45] <jscinoz> Hi again
[11:45] <minimec> Hi. The 8.10 live CD is not recognizing my ATI x1250. Now I would like to file a bug with the logfiles, wich are saved in /var/log/filesave... or something. My problem is, that I cannot modify that bulletproof x to use my modified xorg.conf (driver "vesa") and the console is showing my some huge font size (unusable to work). How can I tell that bulletproof 'thing' to start with the vesa dirver?
[11:45] <levander> Is this really the theme for Intrepid?  It's ugly as sin: http://arstechnica.com/news.media/ub3.png
[11:46] <Cheery> levander: it does not fit for firefox, but it's otherwise quite okish
[11:47] <bugabundo_work1> levander: its quite nice... many pl like it
[11:47] <bugabundo_work1> but it comes with two tones
[11:47] <bugabundo_work1> that dark one, and lighter one
[11:47] <levander> This article does say they've improved boot time, which would be nice: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080629-horny-for-ubuntu-8-10-first-look-at-intrepid-ibex.html
[11:48] <levander> bugabundo_work1: I've really gotten to like SolidSlate Modified theme using Ubuntu Dark Pack wallpaper, plus the mahatann icons so I guess the ugly theme in Intrepid doesn't bother me.
[11:48] <jianfei> im using the dust theme, it looks amazing, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme
[11:49] <JackWinter> hiya, is there a kubuntu 8.10 beta too ?
[11:50] <levander> jianfei: Yeah, I do like that one.  I'm gonna go look for better screen shots of it.  Is it an emerald theme?
[11:50] <levander> For Compiz?
[11:50] <Cheery> why black themes at all?
[11:50] <jianfei> yeh
[11:50] <dmh65> offtopic a bit but this yahoo zimbra is good, opensource and for Linux as well as windows
[11:50] <jianfei> works with compiz
[11:50] <Cheery> you know what'd be the theme of the future?
[11:51] <dmh65> go on
[11:51] <Cheery> (I start working..)
[11:51] <Cheery> (..on a mockup)
[11:51] <hechu> minimec, me the same problem.
[11:51] <dmh65> boss arrived
[11:51] <dmh65> tell where some cash can be made
[11:51] <minimec> hechu: same card?
[11:51] <dmh65> quality themes for webmin
[11:51] <jscinoz> is pulseaudio *more* broken with intrepid
[11:51] <jscinoz> because it would seem so :(
[11:52] <hechu> minimec, HD 3200, with 780G mainboard.
[11:52] <dmh65> hd2400 here
[11:54] <jianfei> cheery: I like darker themes, not sure why..
[11:55] <minimec> hechu: I'll do a fresh hardy installation and do an upgrade for debugging. Again the old ATI problems...
[11:55] <dmh65> ati problems?
[11:55] <dmh65> there is no driver for xorg 7.4
[11:55] <minimec> dmh65: my x1250 is not recognized by the 8.10 beta live cd
[11:56] <dmh65> I guess that is a big problem though
[11:56] <dmh65> !ati
[11:56] <hechu> I guess it's the problem of opensource ati driver.
[11:56] <dmh65> with regards to basic resolution
[11:56] <minimec> dmh65: We are not talking about the fglrx dirver. Just 'ati' or 'radeonhd' would be nice for a start ;)
[11:57] <dmh65> there is no 3d in Ibex
[11:57] <dmh65> there is none
[11:57] <dmh65> no radeonhd for Ibex
[11:58] <dmh65> 7.3 no problem, walk in the park
[11:59] <dmh65> odd thing is fglrx is offed in Ibex but it will not install, it wont let you
[11:59] <dmh65> *offered
[11:59] <dmh65> rightly so
[12:01] <dmh65> wrongly .so should I say lol
[12:01] <minimec> ok... HArdy is installing on that machine.... Let's hope for a decent upgrade...
[12:01] <slavik> what's up with the latest updates removing ubuntu-desktop?
[12:01] <dmh65> for ati
[12:01] <dmh65> it wants to do that
[12:02] <dmh65> then says its not possible
[12:02] <slavik> err, should it?
[12:02] <dmh65> no
[12:02] <dmh65> its not compatable
[12:02] <dmh65> its Ubuntus way of saying get lost until we sort it
[12:02] <dmh65> thats my opinion anyway
[12:03] <slavik> I figured
[12:03] <dmh65> its good too
[12:03] <dmh65> shows they are on the ball
[12:04] <slavik> err ... they shouldn't conflict ...
[12:05] <dmh65> does not make sense does it
[12:05] <dmh65> probably means they are working on it
[12:05] <dmh65> intensly :)
[12:05] <jianfei> dust theme, http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshottm8.jpg
[12:05] <slavik> heh, well, not everyone who is using ibex is qualified to be a *nix admin ...
[12:06] <dmh65> are any of the real guys who work on Ubuntu on the irc?
[12:06] <slavik> no clue
[12:06] <slavik> crimsun did some/lots of ALSA stuff :)
[12:06] <dmh65> learning all the time here
[12:07] <slavik> good :)
[12:07] <m0u5e> anyone else getting a "unable to calculate change" error during update-manager -d upgrade?
[12:07] <dmh65> day you stop learning is what?
[12:07] <dmh65> the day you start to forget!
[12:07] <slavik> dmh65: the day _I_ stop learning is the day the world doesn't exist :)
[12:07] <dmh65> me too
[12:08] <slavik> m0u5e: I would probably hold off on upgrading stuff
[12:08] <m0u5e> slavik: aww but i wanna get in on the action :O
[12:08] <Hobbsee> dmh65: dunno about 'guys' as such, but people are around, sometimes, yes.
[12:08] <slavik> m0u5e: are you already on ibex alpha?
[12:08] <m0u5e> slavik: no, i was meaning to try somewhere along the line, but never had time
[12:08] <Hobbsee> jianfei: nice - what panel are you using there?
[12:09] <mvo> m0u5e: can you post your /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log and apt.log please?
[12:09] <m0u5e> mvo: 6__6 i was actually about to go to bed, but just asking around if it were a common error
[12:10]  * Hobbsee throws gummy bears at mvo
[12:10] <slavik> hmm, Hobbsee, why waste food?
[12:10] <paul68> is there a solution for the creative labs xfi drivers in this release?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> slavik: he'll eat them
[12:10] <jianfei> hobbsee: its included in the theme, a guy called gaminggeek showed me how to set it up
[12:10] <slavik> oh, ok
[12:10] <slavik> paul68: doubt it
[12:11] <Hobbsee> jianfei: ahh
[12:11] <paul68> slavik: bad news
[12:11] <jianfei> hobbsee: looks great yeh
[12:11] <slavik> ?
[12:11] <peter771> Nautilus crashes with segfault 11 when browsing a directory containing mp3 files, is this a known bug?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> peter771: can't reproduce.
[12:11] <mvo> m0u5e: I think its not very common, but it happens from time to time. if you put the logs somewhere (or mail me) I can tell you more :)
[12:12] <paul68> slavik: if they don't integrated this
[12:12] <peter771> Hobbsee, I can reproduce it
[12:12] <slavik> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs
[12:12] <Hobbsee> peter771: can you reproduce it on a new profile?
[12:12] <slavik> no ALSA driver and from what I have read, Creative's binary blob isn't very good
[12:12] <m0u5e> mvo: mm maybe tomorrow *yawn going to bed :) night
[12:13] <dmh65> midday here :)
[12:13] <slavik> paul68: they might through the restricted driver manager, you should create a launchpad thingy for it ...
[12:13] <peter771> Hobbsee, yes
[12:19] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ah, you're right!  cool!
[12:25] <Omar87> Is the e1000e intel processors still there?
[12:25] <slavik> ???
[12:26] <slavik> e1000e is a network driver module
[12:27] <Omar87> Okay, maybe I'm a bit naive about that, what I meant to say it, whatever e1000e is, news had been coming that there's a problem between it and the new Ubuntu 8.10.
[12:27] <Omar87> Is this problem still there?
[12:27] <slavik> Omar87: it might've been fixed, check launchpad ... there is a new kernel in 8.10
[12:28] <Omar87> mhmm
[12:28] <Omar87> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263555
[12:29] <slavik> do lsmod | grep -i e1000e :)
[12:29] <void^> fixed long ago
[12:29] <slavik> if there is output, don't upgrade just yet :)
[12:29] <Cheery> http://i36.tinypic.com/4r85ky.png
[12:29] <Omar87> void^, so the risk is over now?
[12:29] <Cheery> There's been probably billions of these
[12:29] <Cheery> but this is really best window layout I've seen.
[12:30]  * JackWinter still wonders if there is a kubuntu 8.10 beta too ???
[12:30] <Omar87> It says: "e1000                 126016  0 "
[12:30] <Cheery> if the handle could be done thinner, it'd be even better
[12:30] <slavik> then don't upgrade to 8.10 yet
[12:30] <slavik> 8.10 final will def be safe though :)
[12:31] <Omar87> Yeah, that's right. :)
[12:31] <Omar87> I hope so. :)
[12:32] <Omar87> Well, thank God I came into this channel and asked about this problem before I make the move of downloading the beta release.
[12:33] <Omar87> And why hesitation? It's only 20 days away, lol. :D
[12:34] <slavik> looks like the latest beta should have the fix
[12:34] <slavik> alpha6 did not have it though
[12:34] <Omar87> Yeah, that's right.
[12:35] <Omar87> Where can I find a complete list of all the command similar to the one you gave me?
[12:35] <Omar87> commands*
[12:35] <elmargol> the e1000 bug was fixed 2008-09-19
[12:36] <Omar87> 'coz I like to keep one around just in case I wanted to check my hardware, or something.
[12:36] <jscinoz> Ok.
[12:36] <Omar87> I find a problem trying to memorize all those commands, ya know? Can you help me?
[12:37] <slavik> Omar87: remembering commands comes with time and experience, don't fret over it :)
[12:37] <jscinoz> Intrepid, pulseaudio cannot use my primary sound card (Asus Xonar D2X),  pulseaudio reports the device as being busy thus cant claim it, i have no idea what is using it or how to tell.
[12:37] <slavik> jscinoz: you can try to restart ALSA
[12:37] <jscinoz> however, pulseaudio claims my onboard sound just fine, but no sound is heard when playing to it,
[12:37] <slavik> jscinoz: you might have to set the default sound card
[12:37] <jscinoz> if i kill pulseaudio, the dedicated soudncard (hw:0) is still in use, but i can play to the second one fine via alsa.
[12:38] <jscinoz> slavik, any ideas how i can find why hw:0 (/dev/dsp) is busy?
[12:38] <jscinoz> even after a fresh boot
[12:38] <Omar87> slavik, True, but I want of a list of the commands, so that I can learn to use them,
[12:38] <slavik> jscinoz: not off the top of my head ...
[12:38] <Hobbsee> RAOF: interestingly though, -gstreamer's a lot more bumpy, almost skippy, than -xine in totem.
[12:38] <jscinoz> :( yay regression, worked perfectly in hardy, hope this can be fixed by release
[12:40] <slavik> Omar87: here are some basic commands that you "must" know: cd, ls, pwd, whoami, cat, less, tar, cp, mv, tr, cut, xargs, grep (and variants), sort, uniq
[12:40] <slavik> Omar87: those are the ones that come to my mind atm ...
[12:40] <slavik> keep in mind that those commands have some often used options, while other options aren't used very often
[12:40] <slavik> Omar87: also, wget
[12:42] <Omar87> slavik, Wait, there was a mistake instead of "lsmod | grep -i e1000e", I gave it "lsmod | grep -1 e1000", without an 'e' at the end.
[12:42] <Omar87> slavik, and this time I get nothing.
[12:42] <shirish> skavik: what does tr do?
[12:42] <slavik> err, -1??? or -i?
[12:42] <slavik> Omar87: doesn't actually matter
[12:42] <Omar87> slavik, I know most of these. :)
[12:42] <slavik> shirish: man tr :)
[12:43] <slavik> Omar87: so, what other commands do you want to know?
[12:43] <slavik> Omar87: there is awk and sed, but I could hardly call them simple ...
[12:43] <dmh65> reboot is a good one
[12:43] <Omar87> slavik, I meant '-i'
[12:43] <dmh65> but never shutdown on a remote
[12:44] <jscinoz> netcat!
[12:44] <jscinoz> i say you should add nc to the list of commands :P
[12:44] <Omar87> Man, Unix is a geeks paradise, LOL. :D
[12:44] <jscinoz> its very very useful :P
[12:44] <Omar87> geek's*
[12:44] <dmh65> actually is there a way of disabling shutdown command?
[12:44] <jscinoz> dmh65, doesnt it want root anyway
[12:44] <dmh65> one day I will do it I guess
[12:45] <dmh65> when the server is a thousand miles away and its 2 in the morning
[12:45] <slavik> dmh65: you will need to edit the sudoers config to disable it, that or rm $(which shutdown) ...
[12:45] <dmh65> thanks
[12:45] <slavik> dmh65: I would recommend mv though :)
[12:45] <jscinoz> whee
[12:45] <jscinoz> tabbed nautilus is awesome
[12:45] <slavik> and put it somewhere else
[12:46] <dmh65> is there a button I can click :)
[12:46] <Novell> dmh65: get a KVM-switch which you can connect to with TCP/IP :)
[12:46] <slavik> dmh65: or that, they are really nice ...
[12:47] <dmh65> yeah
[12:47] <dmh65> cant get them to replace debian with ubuntu
[12:47] <dmh65> like they will add some hardware for me
[12:47] <slavik> what's wrong with debian?
[12:47] <dmh65> nothing, just like to be with it
[12:48] <dmh65> :)
[12:49] <zniavre> ubuntu-desktop is broken ?
[12:49] <zniavre> hello **
[12:49] <slavik> zniavre: don't upgrade yet
[12:49] <zniavre> too late...
[12:49] <zniavre> :o)
[12:50] <zniavre> un onduleur specifié usb ca veux dire quoi il ondule aussi pour les ports usb ?
[12:51] <slavik> err ... !fr?
[12:51] <zniavre> sorry wrong channel
[12:52] <zniavre> ! libxi6
[12:53] <dmh65> what you do exactly?
[12:53] <zniavre> dmh65:  me?
[12:53] <dmh65> just upgrade
[12:53] <dmh65> no
[12:53] <dmh65> you
[13:02] <PolitikerNEU> hello everyone, does anybody know if tuxonice is availible for intrepid?
[13:02] <Pretto> why dist-upgrage stuck in the cleanup process?
[13:02] <slavik> PolitikerNEU: search packages.ubuntu.com :)
[13:03] <PolitikerNEU> only tuxonice-userui is availible
[13:05] <compilerwriter> I tried to do an internet upgrade yesterday.  All seemed to go well, but I can't seem to login through grub.  I can manage to login to a console session though.  Any ideas?
[13:05] <Pretto> anyone can  take a look at this http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotcu0.png ?
[13:06] <Pretto> the distribution upgrade stuck in the last process
[13:06] <minimec> Pretto: Be patient... I don't see any unusual things. Everything should be ok.
[13:07] <Nhorning> Can someone help me connect my wifi in Ibex?
[13:07] <Nhorning> I'm using the hardy live cd now
[13:08] <compilerwriter> Nhorning I would be happy to just  be able to login to an xsession.
[13:08] <Nhorning> xsession?
[13:08] <compilerwriter> I did the Ibex upgrade and now I can only login via console.
[13:08] <minimec> compilerwriter: ATi card?
[13:08] <compilerwriter> Can't seem to get kde up and running.
[13:08] <Nhorning> oh
[13:09] <compilerwriter> minmec nvidia I believe.
[13:09] <Nhorning> I'm using gnome
[13:09] <Pretto> Nhorning, the problem is that it stuck in that last process and do not   complete the upgrade
[13:09] <Nhorning> what last process?
[13:09] <Nhorning> oh you mean in the first upgrade I did?
[13:10] <Nhorning> yeah, it said something about my network the last thing it did in the upgrade
[13:10] <minimec> Pretto: 'deferred processing...' can take a long time, believe me...
[13:10] <Nhorning> big warnings and flashing lights
[13:10] <Pretto> Nhorning, cleaning up -> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[13:10] <Nhorning> oh
[13:10] <Nhorning> uh?
[13:11] <Pretto> Nhorning, it is in that stage for about 15 minutes now
[13:11] <Nhorning> no look
[13:11] <Nhorning> It's been days
[13:11] <Nhorning> I upgraded days ago
[13:12] <Nhorning> and my wifi doesn't work
[13:12] <Nhorning> so I've been updateding using chroot
[13:12] <Nhorning> from the live cd
[13:12] <Pretto> minimec, more than this?
[13:12] <Nhorning> and I've got my card to connect manually
[13:12] <PolitikerNEU> you two are talking about different things ...
[13:12] <Nhorning> but firefox still doesn't work
[13:12] <Pretto> Nhorning, sorry I made a mistake, I was intended to talk to minimec
[13:12] <Nhorning> apparently
[13:12] <Omar87> slavik, So, I did "lsmod | grep -i e1000e" and got nothing, does that mean I'm safe?
[13:12] <Nhorning> oh
[13:12] <minimec> Pretto: Do you see any activity of the harddisk or the cpu?
[13:12] <mvo> Pretto: that seems to be a fairly common bug currently, the partial upgrade is hanging, pstree will show only gnome-pty-helper idling as a child of update-manager
[13:13] <Nhorning> anybody want to help me?
[13:13] <Pretto> mvo, i thought that
[13:13] <compilerwriter> I put in my password at the grub gui and then get taken straight back to the grub gui.
[13:13] <Pretto> mvo, by the way, i was looking for you this week, can i pvt?
[13:13] <mvo> Pretto: do you have a dual core cpu or a single core one?
[13:13] <Pretto> mvo, single core
[13:13] <mvo> Pretto: sure
[13:13] <slavik> Omar87: can you pastebin output from lspci?
[13:13] <compilerwriter> when i do a console login I get to login but can't seem to startx without it crashing.
[13:14] <compilerwriter> will kmail work from the command line?
[13:14] <mvo> Pretto: I wonder if that might be a issue, I have a dual core and do not see it, but someone else with a similar problem had it on a single core too. maybe some sort of race condition
[13:14] <slavik> compilerwriter: probably not
[13:14] <slavik> compilerwriter: do you have a non-standard partitioning scheme?
[13:15] <compilerwriter> I don't think so slavik.  what is the command to look at them. I have been so far removed from console stuff that I forget most of it.
[13:16] <slavik> compilerwriter: when you installed ubuntu, did you go with the default patitioning scheme?
[13:16] <Omar87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55975/
[13:16] <slavik> compilerwriter: also, when you try to log in through gdm, does it give you an error or does gdm not start at all?
[13:16] <slavik> Omar87: you're safe
[13:16] <slavik> Omar87: I think
[13:17] <slavik> Omar87: pastebin 'lsmod | sort'
[13:17] <compilerwriter> gdm starts.  It fills in my user id.  I put in my password and then I get right back to kdm.
[13:17] <compilerwriter> slavik I did the standard partitioning thing.
[13:17] <slavik> hmm ...
[13:18] <slavik> compilerwriter: log in through terminal and try to do "startx"
[13:18] <slavik> let us know of any errors of course :)
[13:18] <compilerwriter> ok I have but I will try it again.
[13:18] <slavik> does it work?
[13:19] <Omar87> slavik, http://paste.ubuntu.com/55978/
[13:19] <slavik> Omar87: looks like you are safe ... :)
[13:19] <Omar87> Cool! ;)
[13:20] <compilerwriter> well slavik I got the little xscreen that flashes and then I was back to console.  Last line is waiting for X server to shut down.
[13:20] <Omar87> Thanks man. :)
[13:20] <slavik> Omar87: I think the latest beta has the fix or it has the e1000e module disabled
[13:20] <slavik> compilerwriter: anything before that?
[13:20] <Omar87> slavik, That would be even better.
[13:20] <slavik> compilerwriter: what kind of a system are you on now?
[13:20] <compilerwriter> nothing that looks like and error message slavik
[13:20] <Nhorning> someone please help me configure my network manager
[13:21] <slavik> compilerwriter: seems like it is something with X
[13:21] <compilerwriter> I am on an XP system
[13:21] <slavik> compilerwriter: hmm, k
[13:21] <minimec> Nhorning: Is your wifi-device recognized correctly?
[13:21] <Nhorning> I don't know
[13:21] <slavik> compilerwriter: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:21] <Nhorning> how do I tell?
[13:22] <minimec> Nhorning: Open a Terminal and type iwconfig. Do you see your wifi-adapter?
[13:22] <Nhorning> I'm in hardy live cd
[13:22] <Nhorning> can I do that from chroot?
[13:22] <Nhorning> lo says no wireless extensions
[13:23] <minimec> Nhorning: is it a usb stick or a pci card?
[13:23] <Nhorning> laptop
[13:23] <Nhorning> so I guess pci card
[13:24] <compilerwriter> slavik a tail of that file  shows mention of my keyboard mouse and three instances of UnloadModule: "evdev"
[13:24] <Nhorning> II see device in iwconfig
[13:24] <minimec> Nhorning: ok. type lspci in a terminal and tell me the hardware id of the wireless device
[13:24] <Nhorning> wlan0
[13:24] <minimec> Nhorning: OK. So you see the device. that's cool ;)
[13:25] <slavik> compilerwriter: install putty, remote into your system and pastebin that log file, then do "startx 2>&1 >startx.log" and pastebin startx.log
[13:25] <Nhorning> would it say network controller?
[13:26] <slavik> compilerwriter: you are having an issue that I don't think I have seen so far (gdm works but gnome-session doesn't)
[13:26] <slavik> wait, compilerwriter did you upgrade ibex recently?
[13:26] <Nhorning> Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 wavelan chipset
[13:26] <compilerwriter> yes slavik I did the internet upgrade to ibex yesterday?
[13:26] <Nhorning> hmm, remember i'm doing this through a chroot
[13:26] <slavik> hmm
[13:26] <Nhorning> let me try it through the live cd root too
[13:27] <minimec> Nhorning: ok. Wait a moment
[13:27] <compilerwriter> It is kdm for me though slavik
[13:27] <slavik> doesn't matter :) they both use X
[13:27] <Nhorning> ahhh
[13:27] <slavik> compilerwriter: are you using gnome or kde though? that could possibly matter
[13:27] <compilerwriter> I am using kde.
[13:28] <slavik> kdm/gdm aren't very complicated
[13:28] <Nhorning> iwconfig looks totally different though my live cd
[13:28] <slavik> maybe something in kde is causing X to shutdown
[13:28] <Nhorning> It's got a device called wifi0
[13:28] <slavik> compilerwriter: in any case, pastebin those two files, please
[13:28] <compilerwriter> so now to do the apt-get install putty thing slavik?
[13:28] <Nhorning> where if I do it through a chroot to ibex I don't get wifi0
[13:28] <slavik> compilerwriter: no, putty is a windows ssh client :)
[13:28] <Nhorning> you get that?
[13:29] <minimec> Nhorning: Looks that there were problems with WPA on older Ubuntu distros... Google for ' Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 wavelan chipset' ...
[13:29] <slavik> compilerwriter: basically, pastebin the stuff I said earlier ... that way there is something to go by
[13:29] <Nhorning> so, what do I do?
[13:29] <Nhorning> hey did you read the last things I said?
[13:30] <Nhorning> my hardy live cd is seeing wifi0
[13:30] <Nhorning> but ibex through chroot is not
[13:30] <slavik> compilerwriter: you will have to install ssh server on the ubuntu box :)
[13:32] <Nhorning> hello?
[13:32] <minimec> Nhorning: If you are using the live CD just open a terminal when your in the gnome session.  You don't need any chroot thing...
[13:33] <Nhorning> yeah I did that
[13:34] <Nhorning> then what do I do with that information?
[13:35] <minimec> Nhorning: lspci shows you the exact type of your hardware and iwconfig shows you , how (or if) the kernel is recognizing your card.
[13:35] <Nhorning> ok
[13:35] <Nhorning> well hardy see's a wifi0
[13:35] <compilerwriter> hey slavik what must I do to get my computer to accept the connection.
[13:35] <Nhorning> and ibex though chroot does not
[13:36] <Nhorning> so what do I change in ibex?
[13:36] <slavik> compilerwriter: did you setup ssh on the ubuntu system?
[13:36] <minimec> Nhorning: Do you have a fresh ibex beta live CD. I don't see any reason to go with chroot...
[13:37] <compilerwriter> I don't believe I did slavik
[13:37] <slavik> you need to
[13:37] <Nhorning> I don't
[13:37] <Nhorning> I upgraded from hardy
[13:37] <Nhorning> hey, I'll be back in a sec
[13:37] <compilerwriter> Oh Lordy how does one do that from the console?
[13:37] <Nhorning> got to move down the street
[13:39] <slavik> compilerwriter: sudo tasksel and select ssh server :)
[13:39] <minimec> Nhorning: so your laptop is running an upgraded hardy. that's ok. So just boot that laptop and get the info you need. I don't understand why you using a chroot environment.
[13:40] <freaky_t> what can i use to read .pdf files in kubuntu?
[13:41] <slavik> freaky_t: evince
[13:41] <minimec> freaky_t: kpdf
[13:42] <compilerwriter>  slavik I am apt-getting openssh
[13:42] <minimec> slavik: evince is gtk based...
[13:42] <slavik> minimec: oh, kubuntu, missed the k ...
[13:43] <minimec> slavik: I never used the k... ;)
[13:44] <slavik> minimec: I mean in freaky_t's 'kubuntu'
[13:45] <compilerwriter> ok now what do I need to do now that I have ssh setup
[13:45] <ali1234> mvo: i think upgrade manager has frozen again
[13:45] <minimec> slavik: so do I ...
[13:46] <slavik> compilerwriter: ssh into the ubuntu system from your current system and pastebin the stuff I mentioned earlier
[13:46] <slavik> compilerwriter: have you tried setting GNOME as the session?
[13:46] <slavik> compilerwriter: or is it a straight kubuntu install?
[13:47] <compilerwriter> slavik straight kubuntu install
[13:47] <slavik> k, then start pastebinning :)
[13:48] <compilerwriter> It appears that I am not authorized to run the x server Slavik?
[13:48] <slavik> hmm
[13:48] <slavik> good
[13:48] <slavik> look at the .Xauthority file (ls -l) ... tell me who owns it
[13:48] <compilerwriter> I dont find that to be good at all
[13:48] <slavik> ls -la
[13:49] <compilerwriter> it would appear that I own it.  It is also a 0 byte file
[13:50] <khamer> got my boot time down to 37s on intrepid ibex already, w/o disabling any services (I think I have apache2 and subversion installed)
[13:50] <slavik> hmm
[13:52] <slavik> remove it
[13:53] <slavik> also, look in .xsession-errors and see if there is anything there
[13:53] <slavik> actually, nvm on that last line
[13:53] <compilerwriter> nvm?
[13:53] <mvo> ali1234: was there anything in cleanup before it got stuck?
[13:53] <slavik> nevermind
[13:54] <ali1234> mvo: yes, lots of packages removed... it did them all i think
[13:54] <kent> is realplayer in the intrepid archive?
[13:54] <ali1234> mvo: it only happens on partial upgrades
[13:55] <nspyr> hi just did a partial upgrade and it said "couldnt install ubuntu desktop" please report as bug
[13:56] <platius> kent; http://packages.medibuntu.org/intrepid/realplayer.html
[13:56] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I make some look at a bug that was filed a month ago: bug #267217 ?
[13:56] <kent> platius: thanks.  stupid me could not find it.
[13:57] <nspyr> is there a log file i can attach with my bug report?
[13:57] <minimec> kent: I don't think so. I always use the 'marillat' package from here: http://debian-multimedia.org/
[13:57] <AnAnt> I had this problem in hardy too after some update , I mean that compiz seg faults
[13:57] <nspyr> for the upgrade
[13:59] <nspyr> oh i found some
[14:00] <compilerwriter> slavic need a link to a pastebin
[14:01] <slavik> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php
[14:02] <compilerwriter> http://pastebin.com/m1c24c2c4 there you have it slavik
[14:03] <compilerwriter> slavik I have also removed .Xauthority
[14:04] <slavik> paste the log file and the other thing I mentioned
[14:04] <jmworx> Anyone else noticed that the dist-update dialog just stalls there after the upgrade is complete?
[14:05] <slavik> jmworx: someone did say something to that effect
[14:06] <compilerwriter> jmworx it didn't stall out on me but now I can't manage to get an X session started.
[14:07] <platius> jmworx;  I killed the upgrade process from a console with no ill effects   after it stalled
[14:07] <jmworx> platius: yeah, that's what I did. Was just checking people were aware of the problem
[14:09] <compilerwriter> startx.log is a zero byte file slavik
[14:10] <slavik> did you run the command as I gave it to you?
[14:10] <slavik> "startx 2>&1 >startx.log"
[14:13] <compilerwriter> slavik console output http://pastebin.com/m50f15f39
[14:14] <compilerwriter> startx.log is still a 0 byte file slavik
[14:16] <compilerwriter> brb
[14:16] <slavik> wait, did you run it through ssh?
[14:16] <slavik> run it on the system
[14:17] <compilerwriter> ok slavik just a second.  should I rm .Xauth again?
[14:17] <slavik> no need
[14:19] <compilerwriter> startx.log is still a zero byte file slavik
[14:22] <slavik> hmm
[14:22] <compilerwriter> http://pastebin.com/d8642715 for the .xsession-errors
[14:22] <AstralJava> Hmm... should it have been "startx >startx.log 2>&1" ?
[14:22] <slavik> maybe ...
[14:22] <slavik> :-\
[14:22] <slavik> most likely
[14:23] <BluesKaj> I'm running Kubuntu-kde4 on 8.10 and I'm getting a kate error when i try to launch firefox, konverstaion and some other apps from the desktop icon (which is that gear -thing rather than the original) "error-kate The file /home/kaj/firefox.desktop could not be loaded, as it was not possible to read from it" . Why is the app associated with kate?
[14:23] <slavik> compilerwriter: check the file mentioned and see if it's readable
[14:24] <compilerwriter> slavik starx.log is world readable
[14:25] <BluesKaj> slavik: any expreience with why some apps can't be added to the panel or desktop ?
[14:25] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: ping
[14:28] <ziroday> Is there currently an issue with fglrx in intrepid?
[14:28] <danbh_intrepid> yes
[14:28] <ziroday> danbh_intrepid: is there a bug report I can follow?
[14:29] <ziroday> and will it be fixed when its released?
[14:29] <danbh_intrepid> ziroday: open up the link in /topic
[14:30] <danbh_intrepid> ziroday: goto the section on X.Org  , and there is your issue
[14:30] <compilerwriter> slavic http://pastebin.com/d38876b98 the contents of startx.log when the command is issued as AstralJava suggested
[14:30] <dmh65> whoopee
[14:30] <ziroday> danbh_intrepid: ah! should of read the release notes :P
[14:31]  * compilerwriter bows to AstralJavas command line prowess
[14:31] <dmh65> whoopee
[14:31]  * compilerwriter chants I'm not worthy and bows to AstralJava's command prowess
[14:32] <dmh65> whatever
[14:32] <dmh65> lucky I dont get involved
[14:32] <dmh65> :)
[14:32] <AstralJava> It's just a matter of ordering. You tell to redirect stderr to stdout, which gets printed into the terminal at that point. If you _then_ redirect stdout into a file, stderr still points to a terminal.
[14:32] <dmh65> use another distro
[14:33] <mvo> danbh_intrepid: pong
[14:33]  * compilerwriter bows to dmh65's wisdom if not his willingness to be helpful
[14:33] <dmh65> piss off
[14:33]  * compilerwriter is not liking intrepid so much right now
[14:33] <dmh65> until you can be constructive
[14:33] <dmh65> one or the 2
[14:33]  * compilerwriter pours dmh65 a beer.
[14:34] <dmh65> cheers
[14:34] <dmh65> :)
[14:35] <dmh65> Ubuntu is the best Linux distro out there
[14:35]  * AstralJava notes dmh65's criticism of being constructive flying outta the window as [s]he sips the beer...
[14:35] <dmh65> if you disagree then please explain why
[14:35] <BluesKaj> what's the deal with apps that can't be launched from the panel or the desktop, only from the kicker ?
[14:36] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: did you notice that todays updates break ubuntu again, similar to yesterday?
[14:37] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj you may find that if you log out and log back in the apps will end up in the panel.  That is how it was working for me with the remix until I couldn't get x to start for me.
[14:37] <compilerwriter> what think you slavik?
[14:37]  * compilerwriter pours slavik a beer.
[14:37] <Hobbsee> danbh_intrepid: broken how?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter:  thx I'll try
[14:37] <slavik> hmm
[14:38] <slavik> me is not sure
[14:39] <danbh_intrepid> Hobbsee: gnome-control-center xserver-xorg-input-evdec and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics all get broken, and removed by apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:39]  * dmh65 has an erection every morning
[14:39] <dmh65> hope that abswers some people
[14:39] <Hobbsee> dmh65: ....inappropriate.
[14:39]  * compilerwriter makes a mental note to never do a distro upgrade again until it is at least a month old.
[14:39] <dmh65> look at the questions
[14:40] <KRF> the fact that he has one or the fact that he says that in public :p
[14:40] <dmh65> stupid I agree
[14:40] <danbh_intrepid> Hobbsee: I'm not sure what update-manger does, but I think it is similar
[14:40] <sorush20> hi
[14:40] <Hobbsee> danbh_intrepid: ah yes, i think wgrant has done that.
[14:40] <sorush20> amarok keeps crashing
[14:40] <Hobbsee> dmh65: still.  behave, or go away.
[14:40] <sorush20> i have don apt-get purge remove amarok and reinstalled but its no use.
[14:40] <sorush20> any help
[14:41] <danbh_intrepid> you know, I think update manger keeps the ubuntu-desktop package, whereas, apt-get removes that as well
[14:41] <dmh65> AstralJava get a life
[14:41]  * compilerwriter muses that he is not the only one cursing Ibex right now.
[14:41] <mvo> danbh_intrepid: no, might be a side effect of the last brakgage?
[14:41] <dmh65> no one is a programmer here then
[14:42] <unf> hello
[14:42] <dmh65> judging by the spelling
[14:42] <Hobbsee> mvo: wgrant mentioned it
[14:42] <Hobbsee> dmh65: --> #ubuntu-offtopic.
[14:42]  * compilerwriter thinks that the Ibex is turning out to be more like Poe's Raven and just may start drinking like Poe in the very near future.
[14:42] <unf> im using ati y since last update it all goes slowler... glxgears gives me on ly 50 FPS
[14:42] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: no, its new breakage, see my comment to Hobbsee, er, I can pastebin if you are curious
[14:42]  * KRF thinks compilerwrite is thinking too much
[14:43]  * dmh65 thinks this is turning into a gay bar
[14:43] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: I'm just curious as to why apt-get is so willing to just break your system with these upgrades?  I thought that the standard behavior was to unselect the upgrade until it no longer broke your system?
[14:43] <slavik> danbh_intrepid: upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[14:43] <Hobbsee> sheesh.
[14:44] <AstralJava> Hobbsee: Sheesh sounds about right.
[14:44] <danbh_intrepid> slavik: dist-upgrade, at least, havent tried regular upgrade
[14:44] <slavik> dist-upgrade does that ...
[14:44] <slavik> upgrade doesn't
[14:44] <danbh_intrepid> slavik: ah, you are correct, interesting
[14:46] <danbh_intrepid> lol, I think the latest break removes my mouse driver if I installed it!  (evdev)    That would sure suck
[14:47] <Pretto> i am having some usb mouse problems myself, sometimes it stops working and i need to reboot to get it working   again
[14:48] <Pretto> when that happens, lsusb doesn't work either
[14:48] <AstralJava> danbh_intrepid: upgrades are not classified into ones that do break your system, and ones that don't. They're just newer versions of packages. You have to realize that safe-upgrade doesn't remove other packages when upgrading some, while full-upgrade might.
[14:48]  * compilerwriter pours Pretto a beer and gives him/her a sympathetic shrug
[14:48] <Pretto> compilerwriter, thank you, i don't drink :D
[14:49] <compilerwriter> pretto then think of it as Hakke Beck
[14:49] <danbh_intrepid> AstralJava: that doesn't quite jive with my research
[14:49] <compilerwriter> no alcohol just great beer taste
[14:49] <AstralJava> danbh_intrepid: You may be interpretting the results in a funny way. But that's the bottom line.
[14:50] <danbh_intrepid> AstralJava: this upgrade specifically says "this breaks thats"   and so the package manager tries to remove the package so it can install the other newer package
[14:51] <AstralJava> danbh_intrepid: If you're using a development release, you should realize that big changes occur.
[14:51] <frybye> Hi I just connected a Cannon S450 printer per usb - it was correctly identified and I could print a good test page - but priting a page from the firefox dosent seem to work - any ideas?
[14:51]  * compilerwriter ponders reciting the kadish over his broken x windows.
[14:51] <AstralJava> danbh_intrepid: Incidents like the one you are describing seldom happen on a stable release.
[14:51] <compilerwriter> Any ideas slavik?
[14:52] <AstralJava> Pretto: You can try to re-install the related usb modules, and see whether that helps.
[14:53] <Pretto> AstralJava, i will  try that next time :d
[14:53] <frybye> ah - strange - printing from a link on the web-page itself did not work - although a dialoge showed up - but printing via the browser menus works.. ok that is good enough..
[14:54] <danbh_intrepid> AstralJava: of course, of course.  I'm not complaining particularly.  I just thought that dist-upgrade was safer than it is...   and Im curious
[14:55] <mvo> danbh_intrepid: the handling with breaks might be too agressive currently, its a matter of tunning it better i guess
[14:56] <mvo> generally speaking its not so much a problem on a stable release or when all deendencies can be satisfied
[14:56] <AstralJava> danbh_intrepid: That's fine. Wanted to make sure you understood the semantics of those operations.
[14:56] <mvo> it is a problem in the transition time, when one package is uploaded and ready, but another one not ready and build
[14:56] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with compiz that it segfaults, can anyone help ?
[14:57] <frybye> not sure if anybody is interested in the printer thing .. but printing to the cannon s450 from adobe reader also dosent work..? any tips??
[14:57] <AnAnt> I got an nvidia card and using the nvidia non-free driver
[14:57] <danbh_intrepid> AnAnt: have you done any partial upgrades recently  : )
[14:57] <AstralJava> frybye: Good luck with that machine. I got disgusted about the drivers for that specific model, and switched to a HP printer. HP deals better with linux anyways. :)
[14:58] <AnAnt> danbh_intrepid: I had this problem in hardy too after some upgrade btw
[14:58] <AnAnt> danbh_intrepid: anyways, I just upgraded to Intrepid 2 days ago, and that compiz problem still exists
[14:58] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, the new kernel contains a change to the ath9k driver
[14:59] <AstralJava> frybye: IIRC I resolved to using lpr command for printing documents, rather than trying to deal with different front-ends in various applications.
[14:59] <danbh_intrepid> AnAnt: well, that sounds like just a bug, eh?  I dunno.  Here is the command that I hand out like candy.  It checks your dependencies and such: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[14:59] <frybye> AstralJava: that was my conclusion under hardy.. the printer has been plugged to a windows machin that I have for work stuff here since then and will go back on it apparently..
[14:59] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: -5 contained the fixes that got my card working.  Which release are you referring to?
[14:59] <AnAnt> danbh_intrepid: what's the ^ for ?
[15:00] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, the .27 kernel was released today and there are packages being built now
[15:00] <danbh_intrepid> AnAnt: task,  it means install the task, ubuntu-desktop, not the package
[15:00] <compilerwriter> Anyone know of a command line mail fetching program that can deal with pop3 until I can get xwin up and running again?  Preferrably one that will allow kmail to import the stuff if/when I can solve xwin issue.
[15:00] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: oooo, hopefully, it doesnt break anything, and makes things better!
[15:00] <AstralJava> frybye: But it's a long time ago now. Might be wrong here. If you decide to try it out, just try to search for the correct .ppd file, and pass that along as a parameter to the lpr command.
[15:01] <ikonia> compilerwriter mutt can deal with it I think
[15:01] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, "* ath9k: fix oops on trying to hold the wrong spinlock"
[15:01] <bsnider> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/008342.html
[15:01] <frybye> AstralJava: I am pretty much a newbie - and am not into learning a whole load of stuff just cos of a lausy cannon printer.. perhaps the next one will be an HP like you suggest..
[15:01] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: did you ever figure out your problems?  or did they get resolved, whatever?
[15:02] <frybye> generally i am happy to learn new linux stuff.. but i get the impression that generally the cannon products are poorly suitable for linux or other way round...;=)
[15:02] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, i can connect to my router now but only if it _isn't_ broadcasting wireless-n at all. g only
[15:03] <AnAnt> thanks
[15:03] <frybye> AstralJava: the advantage of a somewhat legacy cannon printer is that one can still buy no-name/cheaper ink refils without messing with built in chip-protection devices etc etc..
[15:03] <AstralJava> compilerwriter: mutt is fine, you can save the mail into mbox format. fetchmail is a very powerful tool also.
[15:04] <AstralJava> frybye: Don't know much about that, I use it so rarely. :)
[15:05] <frybye> i c .. the newer printers tend to have various devices to stop one buying -after-market refils.. depends a bit on the brand and the more expensive the printer the less problems with getting cheaper ink etc.. ah well a bit OT..
[15:06] <bsnider> so they got the final .27 kernel only 2 weeks before intrepid is scheduled to be finished, because of that intel gigabit problem
[15:08] <elmargol> frybye, If you ask me. don't buy a ink printer
[15:08] <bsnider> RAOF, i thought you weren't going to be adding nouveau to intrepid. and yet here it is.
[15:08] <elmargol> Buy a black and white laser. and print photos online
[15:10] <bruce89> and we all know how cheap laser printers are
[15:10] <elmargol> they are cheap now
[15:12] <frybye> bruce.. elmargol is right - they have got much cheaper recently.. especially if one basically only needs b-w ..
[15:12] <elmargol> 100 EUR
[15:12] <frybye> I have never replaced the (expensive-) color inks in the cannon - for docs and fax copies and stuff b-w is fine..
[15:12] <bruce89> I see
[15:13] <frybye> elmargol: even less now - i have seen offers around the 69€
[15:13] <elmargol> including a full toner
[15:13] <frybye> right...
[15:13] <frybye> not that I necessarily have 69€/notes comming out of my ears but .. compared to the 300+ a year or two ago...
[15:14] <elmargol> I have a brother 2040. works perfekt and was cheap
[15:14]  * bruce89 tries to get out
[15:14] <frybye> elmargol: I take it you mean with ubuntu??
[15:15] <frybye> bye bruce89
[15:15] <compilerwriter> AstralJava can you help me get mutt up and running fairly quickly in another chat.  I am not having much luck with figureing it out from the documentation I have handy.
[15:15] <elmargol> frybye, windows/ubuntu hardy/intrepid. plug in and print
[15:15] <frybye> cool...
[15:15] <elmargol> no config at all
[15:15] <bruce89> frybye: not literally
[15:15] <frybye> bruce89: - ok sorry...
[15:16] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, tim gardner just wrote some interesting info in your bug report
[15:16] <bruce89> the whole printer argument I started I meant
[15:16] <elmargol> if you modifi the toner you can print 3000-4000 pages extra :D
[15:16] <frybye> bruce89: no argument.. pretty much a consensus of opinion apparently...
[15:16] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: ooo
[15:16] <frybye> how do you mean - modify???
[15:16] <bruce89> frybye: not from me, it depends what you need
[15:17] <bruce89> for instance, I take quite a few pictures
[15:17] <elmargol> frybye, you cover a hole. insert the toner and the printer thinks this toner is new.
[15:18] <AstralJava> compilerwriter: Already messaged you...
[15:18] <elmargol> The printer just counts the pages you print and does not check if there is toner left
[15:18] <frybye> for the moment - the whole thing is a bit achedemic.. i dont have spare cash for a new printer just now and the otehr thing is that the scanner I have will not work with linux (or even vista - it is old and happy with xp..) so for copying and printing docs and so on - it makes sence to hve the printer running on the win machine anyhows..
[15:18] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: well, it doesnt apply to us, right?  he is asking about ath5k, and we use ath9k
[15:18] <bruce89> frybye: indeed
[15:18] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, no, he's asking about all atheros devices
[15:19] <frybye> elmargol: and the toner can be bought from the after-market - no-name yeah?
[15:19] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: mk, Ill make sure to post something
[15:19] <elmargol> frybye, I'm still printing from the original toner... almost a year now
[15:19] <simon___> hi, I've got a new laptop, keyboard+trackpad worked fine when I installed 8.10, but now I did a dist-upgrade and keyboard+trackpad doesn't work in X, here is lspci output: http://pastebin.com/f638a9747  after I kill X I can see the what I wrote in ctrl+alt+F2 (where the X server was)
[15:19] <frybye> thats cool...
[15:19] <elmargol> 12.000 pages is a lot :D
[15:20] <bruce89> crivvens
[15:20] <simon___> (also I'm in terminal now, so no cool graphical solution :( )
[15:20] <frybye> yeah.. i dont do nearly so much i guess.. basically an ink printer has been ok  - up to my "conversion" to linux heheh
[15:20] <frybye> there it is just the Cannon- specifics that are the prob of course..
[15:21] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: do we get the identifiers with lspci?
[15:22] <elmargol> oh sorry the toner lasts 2,500 pages. the drum lasts 12.000 pages
[15:22] <bruce89> "only" 2,500
[15:23] <elmargol> you get a noname toner for 20 EUR
[15:24] <frybye> I am out on the balcony for a bit - enjoy some of the last bits of sun.. c u again soon...#
[15:27] <joakim> Hi, I just updated from 8.04 to 8.10 beta. After a restart my nvidiadriver dont work anymore, iḿ now on "low graphic setting". I tried reinstalling the nvidia driver but no succes
[15:27] <ikonia> joakim: what card do you have
[15:27] <ikonia> how did you install the nvidia dirvers
[15:27] <joakim> 7900 gt
[15:27] <ikonia> joakim: and your aware your using beta software yes/no ?
[15:27] <joakim> Add/remove
[15:27] <joakim> yes =)
[15:27] <ikonia> joakim: add remove ? what did you install ?
[15:28] <joakim> Add/remove software in the menu. I installed 177, 16* and 9* something
[15:28] <nspyr> joakim: im using envy and it works
[15:28] <ikonia> !worksforme
[15:28] <nspyr> joakim: i had the same prob maybe
[15:28] <ikonia> nspyr: not the best advice
[15:28] <ikonia> joakim: what was the name of the software pckage you installed
[15:29] <joakim> I upgraded to 8.10 from "Add/remove software", then tried to install the drivers from the same
[15:29] <ikonia> joakim what ???
[15:30] <ikonia> joakim: what package did you install to try to install the drivers
[15:30] <danbh_intrepid> joakim: you installed all three?
[15:31] <joakim> did not install any new packages, just new drivers in "applications/system/Add remove"
[15:31] <ikonia> joakim what package did you install to get new drivers
[15:31] <joakim> I installed one at the time, none of them worked
[15:31] <ikonia> joakim: you must have clicked "something"
[15:31] <ikonia> joakim: what was the name of the package you installed
[15:32] <joakim> ah yes, tried tree different driverversions, 177 and two other earlyer ones (all official nvidia drivers)
[15:32] <ikonia> joakim what was the name of the package !
[15:32] <joakim> dont know the exact names
[15:32] <nspyr> no i think none of the nvidia drivers work for his card
[15:32] <nspyr> just like mine
[15:32] <ikonia> joakim: you keep calling them driver version - what was the name of the package you installed
[15:33] <joakim> I dont know the names pf the packages
[15:33] <nspyr> there are a few different drivers
[15:33] <ikonia> joakim: please find them
[15:33] <ikonia> joakim: please tell me which packages you installed
[15:33] <nspyr> nvidia-glx 96 173 177 etc
[15:34] <joakim> NVidia binary X.Org driver ('version 177' driver)
[15:34] <nspyr> hes tried them all
[15:34] <joakim> that is what it says in "Add/remove"
[15:34] <ikonia> nspyr: let him speak
[15:34] <ikonia> nspyr: don't tell him what he's done/not done
[15:34] <nspyr> joakim: ah yes, tried tree different driverversions, 177 and two other earlyer ones (all official nvidia drivers)
[15:35] <ikonia> joakim: what is the problem, the resolution is poor, nothing worked etc
[15:35] <nspyr> and his is the 7600 gt. mine is the 7600 gs
[15:36] <joakim> yes, I get a error message that says the driver (or package) has failed and that ubuntu has wsiched to low graphic mode
[15:36] <ikonia> nspyr: he said 7900
[15:36] <danbh_intrepid> guys, only the 177 works
[15:36] <milos_> have anyone notice the difference in adobe Flash? I have a feeling that it runs at least 5 times better with new update.
[15:36] <ikonia> nspyr: stop telling him what he's got / not got, let him speak
[15:36] <nspyr> oh ya
[15:36] <aoupi> how do I troubleshoot X errors? (mouse and keyboard not working after dist-upgrade, worked before)
[15:37] <joakim> I did uninstall the previous driver before installing a new one
[15:37] <ikonia> joakim ok, now we are clear.
[15:37] <ikonia> joakim: what package version are you currently trying to use
[15:37] <joakim> the 177 currently
[15:37] <joakim> wich fails on reboot
[15:37] <ikonia> joakim ok, can you please show me the output of "lsmod"
[15:38] <joakim> Ill try =) brb
[15:38] <nspyr> so i should uninstall envy  and use the repo driver?
[15:38] <ikonia> nspyr thats your call, but I wouldn't be using envy
[15:39] <ikonia> allowing 3rd party scripts to access my machine is a no no
[15:39] <nspyr> envy is in the repo
[15:39] <joakim> ikonia: it is very long, any particular part of it, or should I just post all of it?
[15:39] <nspyr> or is it
[15:41] <ikonia> joakim lsmod | grep nvidia
[15:41] <ikonia> nspyr still wouldn't use it
[15:42] <mvo> danbh_intrepid: could you give me the details again what it wanted to remove please?
[15:42] <joakim> nvidia               3934028  0
[15:42] <joakim> agpgart                34760  1 nvidia
[15:42] <joakim> there it is
[15:42] <mvo> danbh_intrepid: (pastebin if possible)
[15:42] <shirish> hi all
[15:42] <ikonia> joakim ok, the module's loaded, thats a pretty good start
[15:42] <joakim> wee =)
[15:42] <nspyr> ikonia: because this is beta and theres no proper driver there may be no other choice
[15:43] <shirish> I am in a problem and cannot access pastebin
[15:43] <ikonia> nspyr well there is, use the nv driver, and stop using betas if you can't deal with that
[15:43] <shirish> using irssi my hal broke after postinstall
[15:43] <ikonia> joakim actually, that may be a good thing to try
[15:43] <shirish> if somebody can work with me can share the details
[15:43] <ikonia> joakim: are you confident editing the xorg.conf file by hand
[15:43] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: sure, lemme check if its still there
[15:43] <ikonia> shirish: what url are you using
[15:44] <shirish> ikonia: url?
[15:44] <ikonia> to acess the pastebin
[15:44] <nspyr> ikonia: im just speculating
[15:44] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: sorry mate, the updating in the repos must have finished.   Its gone now
[15:44] <shirish> ikonia: I dunno if there is a way to copy stuff from console to some pastebin
[15:44] <ikonia> nspyr: I appriciate that, but this is what a betas all about, don't expect it to towkr
[15:44] <shirish> ikonia: I cannot use GUI because hal is broke
[15:44] <ikonia> shirish: sorry, I miss-understood what you where asking, I thought you=r problem was you couldn't use the pastebin
[15:45] <joakim> Yes I think so, just tell me what to edit and Ill do my best
[15:45] <nspyr> ikonia: i know that. im helping to fill bug reports..not trying to steer people the wrong way
[15:45] <joakim> oh, a line of code to actually get to it would be greate
[15:45] <shirish> ikonia: anyways can you help me
[15:45] <ikonia> joakim: what you need to do is look for the line (if there is one) that says "Driver "nvidia" "
[15:46] <ikonia> shirish: maybe
[15:46] <shirish> ok here it goes
[15:46] <joakim> alright
[15:46] <shirish> after installing these are the lines it spewed out
[15:46] <ikonia> shirish it may not be there, so don't be surprised if itn's not
[15:46] <shirish> setting up hal (0.5.11-4ubuntu2)
[15:46] <ikonia> shirish: sorry - not you
[15:47] <ikonia> joakim it may not be there, so don't be surprised if it's not
[15:47] <ikonia> joakim: Driver "nvidia" is the line
[15:47] <shirish> Failed to open connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket/
[15:47] <ikonia> joakim: grep -i nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:47] <shirish> No such file or directory
[15:47] <ikonia> shirish: /etc/init.d/dbus start
[15:48] <joakim> says: Driver nvidia
[15:48] <shirish> ikonia: should I give more or you think that's the only issue?
[15:48] <ikonia> joakim: change that to Driver "nv"
[15:49] <ikonia> shirish: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[15:49] <ikonia> shirish: try that
[15:49] <shirish> ikonia: that is understood
[15:49] <joakim> ok, how do I get to edit it?
[15:49] <shirish> ikonia: I meant to ask do you want to know more or
[15:49] <ikonia> shirish: thats enough for starters
[15:49] <shirish> ikonia: thanx
[15:49] <ikonia> joakim: use any editor your comfortable with
[15:50] <shirish> ikonia: will be back if that doesn't work out
[15:50] <joakim> sudo mousepad nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:50] <joakim> tried that but when it opens there is no text in it
[15:50] <ikonia> joakim: there is nothing at all
[15:50] <joakim> exactly
[15:51] <ikonia> joakim: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:51] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, yes i think so
[15:51] <joakim> ok, I thonk I did it, saved. now reboot?
[15:51] <joakim> think that is..
[15:52] <joakim> changed "nvidia" to "nv"
[15:52] <ikonia> joakim: lets give that a go
[15:52] <ikonia> joakim: easier to debug if you ahve a full desktop to work with
[15:52] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, what's the pci id for y our card?
[15:52] <joakim> thanks alot for your help, you have been most patient.
[15:54] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: 05:01.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5416 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Adapter (rev 01)
[15:54] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, that's exactly what mine says, down the the last character
[15:54] <danbh_intrepid> rev 00?
[15:55] <bsnider> rev 01