[00:13] <sergio-br2> ugh, didn't work
[00:13] <sergio-br2> why it was working with gcc 4.9.2, but not with 4.9.3
[00:14] <sergio-br2> 4.9.2-0ubuntu1~14.04
[01:06] <sergio-br2> damn launchpad
[01:11] <sergio-br2> damn apt
[01:11] <sergio-br2> I just installed the gcc for dolphin ppa, with 4.9.3
[01:11] <sergio-br2> and i can't install the packages
[01:11] <sergio-br2> it asks to remove a bunch of packages
[01:12] <sergio-br2> or conflicts
[01:13] <sergio-br2> it's just a bug fix update 4.9.2 --> 4.9.3
[01:13] <sergio-br2> never saw something like that
[01:18] <sergio-br2> why that didn't happened with 4.9.2, from the same toolchain ppa?
[01:21] <sergio-br2> ok, I just deleted the 4.9.3
[01:21] <sergio-br2> it's possible to put the 4.9.2 again in the ppa right? (i deleted it too...)
[01:50] <sergio-br2> "You should not attempt to use deletion requests to re-upload the same source version with different contents, as this is still prevented even after the content has been deleted. "
[01:50] <sergio-br2> oh man
[01:50] <sergio-br2> I really need to re-upload gcc 4.9.2 in that ppa
[01:51] <sarnold> even though the archive is very picky about that, _copying_ from one ppa to another ought to work
[01:51] <sergio-br2> can someone help me here?
[01:51] <sarnold> it's building that it refuses to do
[01:51] <sergio-br2> humm
[01:53] <sergio-br2> I hope it works
[01:53] <sergio-br2> launchpad should be less pick about this
[01:56] <sergio-br2> yay seems it worke
[01:59] <sergio-br2> thanks sarnold
[02:05] <sarnold> the 4.9.2 copies?
[02:05] <sarnold> is your build underway? o rjust the copy worked? heh
[02:09] <sergio-br2> yeah, it copied
[02:09] <sergio-br2> it's pending yet
[10:05] <morphis> I am currently trying to register a launchpad project with the name 'wds', however I always get from launchpad "wds is already used by another project"
[10:05] <morphis> I've searched for a project with the name 'wds' on launchpad but couldn't find one
[10:06] <morphis> even the url https://launchpad.net/wds is not used by anything
[10:06] <morphis> there is also no source package with that name either in debian or ubuntu
[10:06] <morphis> anyone has an idea what else could it be?
[11:02] <cjwatson> wxl: Launchpad has private branches, but it's a paid commercial feature.
[11:04] <cjwatson> morphis: It's an old inactive project.  File a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad explaining the situation and we'll see what we can do.
[11:04] <cjwatson> morphis: (i.e. it is used, you just can't see it)
[11:39] <morphis> cjwatson: thanks, will do that
[11:52] <Odd_Bloke> So I'm trying to create OAuth configuration to put on a Jenkins system, but passing consumer_name to Launchpad.login_with doesn't seem to stop it using "System-wide: Ubuntu (<my local hostname>)" as the consumer.
[11:53] <Odd_Bloke> I also don't want to run it on the system in question, because we'll use the same credentials across multiple slaves, and having a specific hostname there will probably lead to confusion.
[11:58] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, looking at the launchpadlib code, I don't have much choice in the matter.
[11:58] <Odd_Bloke> Unless I want to delve in to the API more than I want to.
[12:01] <cjwatson> It has to be a subclass of lazr.restfulclient.authorize.oauth.Consumer, I believe, not just a string.
[12:02] <cjwatson> Er, an instance of, I mean.
[12:03] <cjwatson> Consumer("Your consumer name", application_name="Your application name") should do; you can leave out application_name if it's fine for it to be the same as the consumer name.
[12:03] <cjwatson> (application_name goes in User-Agent)
[12:03] <cjwatson> I don't know the OAuth stuff very well, but this doesn't seem to be very much delving into the API.
[12:13] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Aha: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lazr-developers/launchpadlib/trunk/view/head:/src/launchpadlib/credentials.py#L615
[12:15] <Odd_Bloke> So I'll just do a system-wide integration on one of the slaves and live with the potential confusion.
[12:25] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: Ah, true, you'd need to pass an authorization_engine, which gets a bit more complicated.
[12:31]  * xnox recalls there were two types of tokens "system-wide" and "ad-hoc" one. With one type, one gets to set time limits, with the other one access permissions (e.g. read-only, write, write-private, etc.)
[12:31] <xnox> and it did depend on the magic consumer name.
[12:32]  * xnox is sure i have used straight oauthlib before to get both types of launchpad tokens, bypassing launchpadlib. (when i was trying to write a minimal wadlwalker in python3, instead of porting launchpadlib to python3)
[12:33] <cjwatson> Probably a bit much for what Odd_Bloke is trying to do.
[14:14] <HeOS> Hello! Could you help us with the problem:  we want to get information from LP by the link: https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/8.0. But we see only 'Timeout error' instead data. Why it happens?
[14:54] <cjwatson> HeOS: Do you have an OOPS ID?
[14:55] <HeOS> cjwatson, sorry, I closed that tab. :(
[14:56] <HeOS> I'm going to open it again.
[14:56] <HeOS> cjwatson, (Error ID: OOPS-a6e1220cbc8ffb650971d176846a10b1)
[15:03] <cjwatson> Be with you as soon as I can - having difficulty getting oops.canonical.com to answer me just now.
[15:04] <cjwatson> In the meantime you could perhaps get equivalent information using the API.
[15:18] <HeOS> cjwatson, yes, I can, but not all members from my team can do it too unfortunately.
[15:25] <cjwatson> HeOS: I understand.  Unfortunately the OOPS must be absolutely gigantic as I can't get it to load at all here
[15:25] <cjwatson> Oh wait, it *just* did
[15:34] <cjwatson> HeOS: I've filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1520281 as a starting point
[15:39] <HeOS> cjwatson, great thanks!
[16:34] <thopiekar> Hey, I started two days ago a recipe build, which takes a long time, and it normally takes 19hours, but stopped after 9hours. For me it is not a problem if you stop my builds. But is there time in a week where armhf is almost idle? Maybe on weekends? I also wonder why you stopped the build, because the quere for armhf was empty most of the time (just interested).
[16:35] <thopiekar> https://launchpad.net/~thopiekar/+archive/ubuntu/arm/+build/8342848
[16:36] <HeOS> cjwatson, btw, who should fix that bug?
[16:39] <cjwatson> HeOS: I'm working on it
[16:39] <cjwatson> thopiekar: As far as I'm aware, we didn't manually stop it, it must have crashed
[16:39] <cjwatson> thopiekar: Feel free to retry that
[16:41] <cjwatson> thopiekar: (That sort of "failed but no build log" is a symptom of the buildd crashing for whatever reason; we can look into it if it's reproducible)
[16:42] <HeOS> cjwatson, thanks. :)
[16:42] <cjwatson> thopiekar: virtualised armhf builds are in fact run on x86 builders with qemu-user-static emulation to execute armhf binaries - not very reliable, best we can do just for the moment
[16:43] <thopiekar> cjwatson: Ok, thanks. I just remember that you already contacted me in the past because of other build of other projects which were wasting your build time. And whenever it is possible and needed I will trigger builds less as possible and tweak them as well :)
[16:43] <cjwatson> thopiekar: I don't remember that, but it's probably less of a problem nowadays
[16:43] <thopiekar> cjwatson: I don't know much about arm64. But isn't it possible to run armhf, like i386 on amd64?
[16:44] <cjwatson> thopiekar: That's the plan, but we're not there yet
[16:44] <thopiekar> Ok, because I saw some arm64 builders ^^
[16:45] <thopiekar> cjwatson: Thank you for you feedback :)
[16:45] <cjwatson> thopiekar: Right, we're working on those but there are some reliability problems in the infrastructure that we still need to investigate, and we'll need a kernel patch and a couple of other things to get their armhf emulation sufficiently accurate for us.
[16:46] <thopiekar> How many of these builds do you allow me to run at once?
[16:50] <cjwatson> thopiekar: It's not currently limited.  If we see you managing to take up a very significant fraction of the build farm on your own then we'll probably come and have a word :-)
[16:51] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse applies
[16:52] <thopiekar> cjwatson: Ok, like we had in the past. Hope you are not counting :D
[16:52] <cjwatson> thopiekar: It would normally only be if it causes complaints from other users.  Just remember it's a shared resource.
[16:54] <thopiekar> Of course. I just often don't notice that I take so much resources because many of me work is made by recipes. To be honest I use recipes for 99% of the packages. 1% of the packages are copied because I have missing dependencies :)
[18:12] <cjwatson> HeOS: I've pushed a fix for review, but it may not be reviewed+landed+deployed until next week, and it's non-trivial enough that I certainly want to get review for it
[18:15] <HeOS> cjwatson, great work, thanks! We will wait merging of your request and implementing. :)


[00:41]  * pleia2 branches and looks
[00:42] <xnox> haha =)
[00:43] <pleia2> oh I see, so it's statically pointing to /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-precise-right.png
[00:43] <xnox> yeap.
[00:43] <pleia2> hehe warty-final-ubuntu.png
[00:44] <xnox> well....
[00:44] <xnox> we start gnome-settings-daemon and get the $background for free now
[00:44] <xnox> ....
[00:45] <xnox> but there are people who still rely on it being called warty-final-ubuntu.png and actually customize CDs that way.....
[00:45] <pleia2> ah :)
[00:45] <xnox> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
[00:45] <pleia2> I don't know much about xfconf-query and the default settings
[00:45] <xnox> fair enough =)
[00:46] <xnox> how often does xubuntu change wallpapers?
[00:46] <pleia2> we've been doing it each release lately, but I don't know what the plan is really
[00:47] <xnox> hmmm... compat symlink for "default" wallpaper or keep it's name the same?
[00:48] <xnox> or poke the fine folks at #xfce to query the default wallpaper from the xubuntu-default-settings
[00:49] <xnox> it's something like $ xfconf-query -c APP_NAME -p '/setting/name'
[00:49] <xnox> to query the settings.
[00:49] <pleia2> ah
[00:49] <xnox> If you look at the xml of the xubuntu-default-settings you should get the APP_NAME and /setting/name from there
[00:50] <xnox> xubuntu_wallpaper = subprocess.check_output(['xfconf-query', ...]) should do the trick
[00:52] <pleia2> hmm
[00:52]  * xnox check the python docs though, It's 2AM over here in London
[00:52] <xnox> what's up?
[00:52] <pleia2> looking for this xml
[00:58] <pleia2> I'll have to look at this later, just realized how long I've been at my desk
[00:59] <xnox> ok.
[07:22] <noskcaj> hello everyone, i have changed the testcases on the iso tracker (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22748/testcases and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases) the ones marked "for xubuntu" have been changed, is there anything that needs adding, removing or changing, also should i change the auto resize testcase?
[07:32] <noskcaj> anyone?
[07:34] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Short is what we basically go off of, but you may want to remember that it is midnight for several parts of the world (03:34 here) so responses will be slower. :P
[07:35] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: I think you better integrate the link with ALL your drafts:)
[07:38] <fmolinero> noskacj: It seems fine to me
[07:42] <noskcaj> my drafts are at https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B57km_mHQf74WV8wVS0tOVEwVmc and https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZwZLrdmzNiFzR6ho6oSEEdhwmZ5lsc-YCGz0patXYw/edit
[07:42] <noskcaj> i will repost this tomorrow(australia(sydney time))
[11:31] <knome> hooray!
[11:32] <smartboyhw> knome: !?
[11:32] <knome> there's only one page in the new docs that isn't still up for review
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Oh which one?
[11:32] <knome> scanning
[11:33] <smartboyhw> How to review?
[11:34] <knome> you misunderstood.
[11:34] <smartboyhw> knome: I think the page is fine, though saying it is Xubuntu forums is a bit weird.
[11:34] <knome> nobody has written that page and think it is ready for others to review
[11:35] <knome> smartboyhw, btw, i understood you're working on some docs for US too - how's that going? :)
[11:35] <smartboyhw> knome: Delayed till next week:)
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Due to stupid me learning kernels LOL
[11:35] <knome> aha, but otherwise it's fine?
[11:36] <knome> have you submitted that for others to review?
[11:36] <smartboyhw> knome: I have not even finished it:_
[11:36] <knome> yeah, but i still think it should be up so others can look at it
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Oh alright then. Let me finish the draft first, then it is time to add screenshots:)
[11:37] <knome> that's how the xubuntu docs review was organized; everything you did is always open to read, so others can improve
[11:37] <smartboyhw> knome: You said that there's no documentation lead, so I wanna recommend somebody (not me)
[11:37] <knome> it's not like you are writing the spec for the next iphone ;)
[11:37] <knome> for xubuntu?
[11:37] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:37] <smartboyhw> knome: Yes
[11:37] <knome> go ahead, but we probably need to postpone that for R, and first rethink if we need one
[11:38] <smartboyhw> knome: elfy would be my choice:
[11:38] <knome> ok, notes taken
[11:38] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:38] <knome> (not much else i can do now... ;))
[11:38] <smartboyhw> oK
[11:39] <smartboyhw> The scanning page
[11:39] <smartboyhw> Saying it is Xubuntu forums...Really weird. It is Ubuntu Forums
[11:39] <knome> you probably should have a scanner
[11:39] <smartboyhw> knome: Yes but only on my Dad's desktop
[11:48] <smartboyhw> knome: When is the documentation string freeze again?
[11:50] <knome> sep 20
[11:50] <smartboyhw> That's what, 12 days away?
[11:50] <knome> but new documentation needs to be ready before that so others have time to review and convert to docbook
[11:50] <knome> yes, less than two weeks
[11:52] <smartboyhw> knome: That's tight
[11:54] <knome> sure, but we had all the cycle to work on things
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Yay!
[12:40] <smartboyhw> knome: Can I PM?
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Oh he's away again
[12:45] <knome> smartboyhw, k
[12:45] <knome> jjfrv8, hey :)
[12:46] <jjfrv8> Hi.
[12:46] <knome> jjfrv8, i checked out many of the pages today
[12:46] <knome> jjfrv8, pretty much everything is ready now, or at least ready to be just reviewed
[12:47] <jjfrv8> knome, yes I see all of your changes. I was going to ask if there was anything you wanted me to check today.
[12:48] <knome> jjfrv8, if you have better time later, say in the beginning of next week, that's fine too, since converting to docbook along with other work and life is going to take most of my weekend :)
[12:48] <knome> jjfrv8, if you look at the startpage, you'll note i've added footnotes again
[12:49] <knome> jjfrv8, feel free to review any sections, naturally excluding those you have submitted for review yourelf :
[12:49] <knome> :)
[12:49] <jjfrv8> knome, yes, I saw the footnotes. I was going to at least review the app paths in section 3. And I should be available next week.
[12:50] <knome> ok, great
[12:50] <knome> elfy confirmed the section 3 is fine, and i think he also looked at the app paths
[12:50] <jjfrv8> knome, correction: I meant section 5.
[12:50] <knome> i will most probably recheck them when i convert to docbook
[12:51] <knome> and we will probably go through the docs one more time after it's converted, just to make sure that kind of things are correct
[12:51] <knome> but i haven't really thought that far yet...
[12:54] <bluesabre> Good morning everyone!  I just saw that Ubuntu is no longer aiming to fit on a CD.
[12:54] <knome> bluesabre, that's known... :))
[12:54] <bluesabre> I figured as much
[12:54] <knome> hehe
[12:54] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: Yes so?
[12:54] <bluesabre> Are we still shooting for that goal?
[12:54] <knome> bluesabre, definitely.
[12:54] <bluesabre> Cool
[12:54] <smartboyhw> knome and bluesabre you mean to fit on a CD?
[12:55] <knome> smartboyhw, yes.
[12:55] <bluesabre> Yeah
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Well if Ubuntu Server can do it I think Xubuntu can do it too:)
[12:56] <bluesabre> So, what's up today in the world of xubuntu-devel?
[12:56] <knome> bluesabre, see the docs wiki...
[12:57] <smartboyhw> only 1 left for review bluesabre and it is the scanning part
[12:57] <knome> bluesabre, jjfrv8: http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout for detailed information on the situation :)
[12:57] <knome> smartboyhw, no, incorrect
[12:57] <knome> one more left to write
[12:57] <knome> there are several left to review
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Ah
[12:58] <bluesabre> Then I might have a look at the Scanning section then :)
[12:59] <smartboyhw> In the scanning page someone forgotten to delete Describe 12.10/Scanning here.  Oh no who will write it?
[13:00] <bluesabre> Haha
[13:00] <bluesabre> "For example, most parallel port scanners and Lexmark All-in-One printer/scanner/faxes are not supported."
[13:00] <bluesabre> I worked at lexmark for 6 months
[13:00] <knome> :]
[13:00] <bluesabre> Their linux support for consumer lines sucks
[13:00] <smartboyhw> ;{
[13:01] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: I think it is because they thought Windows and OS X are the kings. We need to change that:)
[13:01] <bluesabre> It's not that, they actually have Linux drivers
[13:01] <bluesabre> But they are written so poorly, it's not worth it.
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Oh
[13:05] <bluesabre> knome: I haven't been doing this, but should I be re-writing the sections underneath the "Describe 12.10/Scanning here."?
[13:05] <knome> bluesabre, the scanning page is still a wild west.
[13:06] <knome> bluesabre, so, if you are rewriting it, just see if everything of it is fine
[13:06] <bluesabre> Yeah, as far as I can tell everything looks fine.
[13:07] <SkippersBoss> afternoon
[13:07] <bluesabre> morning
[13:08] <knome> hey
[13:08] <bluesabre> :D
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Good evening SkippersBoss
[13:08] <SkippersBoss> I hace installed a new build (Ithink) and noticed that system menu now only contains Gigolo IBus and Taskmanager
[13:09] <SkippersBoss> Is this correct ? Have the other entries been omitted  (User & Groups Time and Date)
[13:09] <knome> SkippersBoss, look at the settings manager
[13:09] <jjfrv8> I just reviewed Network Connections page and noticed that Network Manager has also changed - some left-clicks now right-clicks in most recent build.
[13:10] <SkippersBoss> Ah. so those entries have to come out of the quick guide then
[13:10] <knome> jjfrv8, can you send an email telling you've changed it, and it's up for re-review :)
[13:10] <jjfrv8> K
[13:11] <SkippersBoss> ve been away one week and all hell breaks loose :-)
[13:15] <SkippersBoss> doc amended
[13:19] <bluesabre> knome, looks like scanning just needed minimal changes and updates :)
[13:19] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: I do agree
[13:19] <bluesabre> Done, mailing the ML now :)
[13:20] <knome> bluesabre, cheers
[13:25] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: Good mail:_)
[13:35]  * SkippersBoss needs to be somewhere else cu l8r
[13:35] <knome> see you
[13:36] <smartboyhw> brb
[13:37] <knome> bluesabre, if you want to check it out, i just pushed a new commit to my do branch, it has now the section on keeping the computer safe plus some new fixes for appearance
[13:37] <bluesabre> cool, I'll do that now :)
[13:38] <bluesabre> knome: link please :)
[13:38] <knome> hehe
[13:38] <knome> bzr branch lp:~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs
[14:11] <bluesabre> knome: xubuntu-docs/build/migrating-upgrading.html
[14:11] <bluesabre> The tip under Windows applications on Linux is not in the box.
[14:12] <bluesabre> screenshot coming...
[14:12] <bluesabre> http://imagebin.org/227675
[14:13] <bluesabre> Actually, it looks like that happens with each of the tip boxes
[14:14] <bluesabre> At least with Google Chome 21.0.1180.89
[14:14] <bluesabre> Check FFox
[14:14] <bluesabre> Same with Firefox
[14:15] <knome> hmm, weird
[14:15] <knome> works well for me in ff
[14:15] <knome> will look at that later
[14:16] <bluesabre> ok
[14:16] <bluesabre> Other than that, looks good
[14:16] <bluesabre> The security section is a nice touch
[14:17] <knome> thanks :)
[14:17] <bluesabre> Woops, I lied.  Looks fine in Firefox
[14:17] <bluesabre> Chrome made itself default at some point
[14:17] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: lol
[14:18] <knome> bluesabre, :)
[18:45] <pjotr> Hello, I have a feature request. Or rather a request for disabling a feature.
[18:46] <pjotr> It concerns the mousewheel_rollup function for application windows. This causes confusion for people who are not so skilled with computers. They trigger the mousewheel_rollup unvoluntarily and can't understand what happened, nor how to undo it.
[18:46] <pjotr> I therefore make it a standard approach for installs of Xubuntu, to disable it in Settings Editor (xfwm4 - general - mousewheel_rollup: disable).
[18:46] <pjotr> But I think it would be much better, if the default would be "disabled". What do you think?
[18:52] <drc> hey bluesabre, how'd the membership meeting go?
[18:52] <bluesabre> Hey drc.  Looks like I still need more "sustained contribution", so I'll be trying again in a few months.
[18:53] <drc> opps, sorry...well at least they didn't say "Go away, you bother me" :)
[18:53] <bluesabre> Yeah, it could have been worse :D
[18:56] <Unit193> They wanted him to apply again later so they know he'll stick around, they had issues with that before.  He did enough work to get it. :D
[19:00] <bluesabre> It's only the beginning :D
[19:08] <Unit193> And that's great, you are good at it.  I'm still waiting to see how it turns out in the Lubu list, they were talking about catfish, but pretty sure the older one.
[19:31] <noskcaj>  hello everyone, i have changed the testcases on the iso tracker (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22748/testcases and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases) the ones marked "for xubuntu" have been changed, is there anything that needs adding, removing or changing, also should i change the auto resize testcase?
[19:31] <noskcaj> my drafts are at https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B57km_mHQf74WV8wVS0tOVEwVmc and https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZwZLrdmzNiFzR6ho6oSEEdhwmZ5lsc-YCGz0patXYw/edit
[20:29] <pleia2> testing dailys and submitting bugs at our jam :)
[20:30] <drc> jam?
[20:30] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[20:30] <pleia2> happening this weekend
[20:30] <drc> and the daily still won't boot trough for me :(
[20:31] <pleia2> aw :(
[20:32] <drc> Yeah, I figure knome has it in for me.
[20:37] <knome> huhu? :P
[20:38] <drc> knome=project lead+daily!=work for me == vendetta :)
[20:39] <drc> Q.E.D, no?
[20:40] <knome> hah
[20:57] <knome> pleia2, still having problems with the testcases?
[20:58] <pleia2> no problems really, people just finding typos :)
[20:58] <knome> i can fix 'em...
[20:59] <pleia2> xubuntu only, or any?
[20:59] <knome> any
[21:01] <SkippersBoss> evening
[21:01] <knome> hullo
[21:01] <pleia2> haz pizza now
[21:01] <SkippersBoss> hullo 2u2
[21:02] <SkippersBoss> Sponsored ?
[21:02] <SkippersBoss> Some people have all the fun
[21:03] <SkippersBoss> do i need to do that XFburn doc or did someone else fix that
[21:03] <SkippersBoss> has
[21:08] <SkippersBoss> any one ?
[21:08] <knome> SkippersBoss, did you look if it's ok now or not?
[21:08] <SkippersBoss> throw the ball back at me :-)
[21:09] <knome> http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10
[21:09] <SkippersBoss> I removed the now obsolete entries
[21:09] <knome> i mean, all the pages are submitted for reviews
[21:09] <knome> pleia2, ^
[21:10] <knome> SkippersBoss, if you think any of those that are not bolded are ok to go, please send an email to the xubuntu-devel list stating which section is ok, and i'll check it out
[21:12] <SkippersBoss> knome am not qualified to do that. I have however now noticed that part of the quick guide has now been reproduced in a subsections which means my entries should be removed then
[21:12] <knome> SkippersBoss, what do you mean "not qualified"?
[21:13] <knome> SkippersBoss, if you can check if the application paths are correct, and generally it looks like it is readable and understandable, you are most definitely qualified
[21:14] <knome> SkippersBoss, that's the whole idea in peer review; somebody writes it and submits it for review, and others approve it
[21:15] <knome> SkippersBoss, and that also means less work for others (read: me), because i can let others review and i can just trust that they're doing it to their best knowledge
[21:15] <knome> SkippersBoss, we can always change the docs anyway...
[21:16] <SkippersBoss> Sorry didn't mean it that way
[21:17] <SkippersBoss> Just in  my absence a whole new set has appeared and it was unclear to me if my entry was actually adding something here
[21:17] <SkippersBoss> But now i have looked at it again it makes more sence
[21:17] <knome> :)
[21:17] <knome> ok, good
[21:17] <knome> so anyway, if you think the sections are ok, send a mail to the mailing list, and i can check them out
[21:18] <knome> (mail because that way we can refer to the process later)
[21:21] <SkippersBoss> i get that
[21:23] <SkippersBoss> Can we refer to Kubuntu software in the Xubuntu docs ?
[21:25] <Sysi> it has downsides but no direct reason not to
[21:26] <pleia2> ooh abiword is pretty again (no black)
[21:27] <SkippersBoss> Has the ruler problem been sorted in abiword ? Also it doesn't render docx as well as libre
[21:28] <knome> no, hasn't been completely solved; it should be readable now though
[21:28] <knome> SkippersBoss, why would we refer to Kubuntu?
[21:28] <knome> i mean ok, if there's a reason, but what would that be?
[21:30] <Unit193> VLC though not KDE, is Qt.
[21:31] <SkippersBoss> Section on video editing refers to Kino and KDEnlive for vidio editing. Programs I associate with Kubuntu
[21:32] <knome> SkippersBoss, right. i don't think we should list too many applications that aren't installed by default, so i'd probably drop those
[21:32] <SkippersBoss> its not my section
[21:33] <knome> SkippersBoss, feel free to edit it. this is a collaborative effort
[21:34] <SkippersBoss> Sean has done the work here
[21:41] <knome> SkippersBoss, feel free to edit it
[21:41] <knome> was somebody working on the testcases?
[21:42] <knome> i see that we now have specific "entire disk" testcases for xubuntu
[21:42] <knome> i thought the idea was to keep the maintaining effort as small as possible, and this looks like we're just making it bigger
[21:42] <knome> is there really so big differences? i thought it was just the distro name and that
[21:47] <knome> pleia2, i've just added the short test as "post-installation tests (xubuntu)" in the QA tracker
[21:47] <knome> pleia2, if people are whining about a missing wikipage, please tell them it can be found on the QA tracker, and it's now a separate test
[21:47] <Unit193> < ~noskcaj>  hello everyone, i have changed the testcases on the iso tracker  (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22748/testcases and  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases) the ones marked "for xubuntu" have been changed, is there  anything that needs adding, removing or changing, also should i change the auto resize testcase
[21:47] <Unit193> < ~noskcaj> my drafts are at https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B57km_mHQf74WV8wVS0tOVEwVmc and  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZwZLrdmzNiFzR6ho6oSEEdhwmZ5lsc-YCGz0patXYw/edit
[21:48] <pleia2> knome: ok, thanks :)
[22:03] <pleia2> don't worry, we're only here for another hour ;)
[22:05] <knome> hehe
[22:10] <SkippersBoss> pleia2, can "moan" on the train home as well <d>
[23:11] <knome> ok, i'm off for now
[23:11] <knome> see you tomorrow :)
[23:20] <pnarciso> hey


[04:56] <lucas_ai> I'm at Stanford making a drone startup with AI (deep learning + SLAM) and I'm looking for people who're great at linux and systems to help out and learn AI. Is anyone in the Bay Area and interested?
[16:49] <b-yeezi> Is there another Ubucon at SCalE this year?
[20:14] <nhaines> b-yeezi: yes, there will be.


[05:53] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[05:54] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:54] <Kilos> * inetpro gotta go sleep early for a change
[05:54] <Kilos> but at 11.37 trello cards move magically
[07:21] <Kilos> hi MaNI
[07:21] <MaNI> hi
[07:22] <Kilos> are you settling in ok here in our madhouse
[07:23] <MaNI> sure, I'm mostly busy working just check in here for the load shedding bitching :p
[07:24] <Kilos> lol
[07:25] <Kilos> latest i heard is they are planning 6 hour shedding this weekend
[07:27] <MaNI> well that will be fun
[07:27] <Kilos> eina
[08:27] <Kilos> eish sharks struggling again
[08:30] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[08:32] <pieter2627> morning Kilos, how are u?
[08:32] <Kilos> cold and you?
[08:33] <pieter2627> good - i love the cold
[08:33] <Kilos> eish
[09:55] <Kilos> pieter2627  het jy jou goed al propose?
[10:43] <magespawn> good day
[10:49] <Langjan> Hi guys, why are you whukking? Don't you know its whukkersday? You should be out in the healthy sunlight, toy-toying about some issue.
[10:49] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[10:49] <magespawn> nice Kilos nice
[10:49] <magespawn> hi Langjan
[10:49] <Kilos> hi magespawn  ?
[10:49] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  and magespawn
[10:49] <magespawn> not working, just about to go out in the sunlight, but not to toy-toy
[10:50] <Kilos> lol
[10:50] <magespawn> :12:44:34:. < magespawn> good day
[10:50] <Langjan> Just popping in to say hi and to check on you young uns
[10:50] <Kilos> you clock is wrong
[10:51] <Langjan> 12:51
[10:51] <Kilos> nice to see you visit when nothing is broken Langjan
[10:51] <Langjan> Thks Kilos
[10:51] <Kilos> you are always welcome here
[10:52] <Langjan> You make me feel so
[10:52] <Langjan> thks
[10:52] <Langjan> appreciated
[10:52] <Kilos> thats what im here for, making peeps feel at home
[10:53] <Langjan> peeps? peepers...at what?
[10:53] <Kilos> mense man in moderne taal vir lui mense
[10:53] <Kilos> peeps=people
[10:53] <Langjan> O, poepe?
[10:53] <Kilos> lol
[10:54] <Langjan> OK ek gaan weer loop, gaan bolle rol vanmiddag
[10:54] <Kilos> geniet
[10:54] <Langjan> jy weet mos, old mans marbles
[10:54] <Kilos> ja
[10:54] <Langjan> Dankie
[10:55] <Langjan> Maar deesdae is dit die jongmense wat alles oorvat en wen
[10:55] <Kilos> ai!
[10:55] <Langjan> Ja, dis baie goed
[10:55] <Kilos> julle moet bril opsit laat jy kan mooi korrel man
[10:56] <Langjan> Dis nie die bril nie, dis die dril
[10:56] <Kilos> ai!
[10:56] <Kilos> its all in the wrists
[10:56] <Langjan> jy weet mos, as jy bewe kan jy nie reguit rol nie.
[10:56] <Kilos> lol
[10:56] <Langjan> Whats in the wrists, arthritis?
[10:57] <Kilos> yeah that too
[10:57] <Langjan> I must tell you the arseritis joke some time
[10:57] <Kilos> ok
[10:57] <Langjan> Mooi loop, cheers!
[10:58] <Kilos> enjoy the game
[10:58] <Kilos> cheers now
[10:58] <Langjan> Thks
[11:03] <Kilos> seems like madness runs in my family
[11:03] <Kilos> boet tells me he is gardening
[11:03] <magespawn> you get it from the family, so it self sustaining
[11:03] <Kilos> i asked how do you garden in dubai
[11:04] <Kilos> he sends pics of two bonzai trees on sitting room table
[11:37] <magespawn> lol
[11:48] <magespawn> Kilos: have you used any othe network analysers?
[11:48] <magespawn> s/othe/ of the
[11:49] <Kilos> for what magespawn
[11:50] <Kilos> i dont know if ive used any even
[11:51] <Kilos> no loadshedding this weekend telkom says in news
[11:55] <Kilos> oh of the
[11:55] <Kilos> nono
[11:57] <magespawn> like wireshark
[11:57] <magespawn> bbl just taking a wailk to the shop
[11:57] <Kilos> oh hmm... i think so sometime
[11:57] <Kilos> ok
[13:09]  * magespawn pokes Kilos
[13:09] <Kilos> ouch
[13:09] <magespawn> mm seemed the best way
[13:10] <Kilos> lol
[13:10] <magespawn> have you spoken to kbmonkey lately?
[13:12] <Kilos> nope i sent him a link for that buntu open box thing
[13:12] <Kilos> and hes said he will try it but thats all
[13:12] <magespawn> i was just wondering if that linux studies site was still up
[13:13] <Kilos> i think so yes
[13:13] <Kilos> do you have the link still
[13:13] <magespawn> it is in the channel topic
[13:14] <magespawn> #linux-studies and linux-studies.za.net
[13:14] <magespawn> i get a forbidden access code though
[13:14] <Kilos> oh ya me needed permissions
[13:15] <Kilos> ill ask him if he can sort something , but he takes like a week to answer mail, i think he is battling some
[13:16] <magespawn> wasn't superfly hosting it?
[13:16] <Kilos> maybe
[13:16] <Kilos> hi superfly  ^
[13:17] <magespawn> that channel was created in Feb 2012
[13:18] <magespawn> did not realise that it had been that long
[13:18] <magespawn> do you know what problems kbmonkey is having? nothing too serious i hope
[13:19] <Kilos> weow
[13:19] <Kilos> no work and needed to find accomodation last i heard
[13:19] <magespawn> isn't he a programmer?
[13:20] <Kilos> yeah i think so
[13:20] <magespawn> from what i see there is not shortage of a need for those sort of people
[13:20] <magespawn> s/not/no
[13:21] <Kilos> well mail him if you find any please
[13:22] <magespawn> i don't suppose you know what language he uses?
[13:23] <Kilos> nope
[13:23] <Kilos> ill ask him
[13:27] <Kilos> mail sent. now we wait
[13:29] <superfly> oh, ja, I upgraded my server, and that might have been a casualty
[13:29] <Kilos> ah
[13:30] <Kilos> is it fixable superfly  ?
[13:30] <Kilos> no rush i think
[13:30] <superfly> most likely
[13:31] <Kilos> and maybe then can you take control of it
[14:32] <Kilos> aw we missed piet
[14:33] <Kilos> shame he is still struggling to get his nick
[14:58] <magespawn> what is nick Kilos?
[14:59] <magespawn> ^ the
[15:01] <Kilos> nickname magespawn
[15:01] <Kilos> his one is rusty somenumbers
[15:01] <Kilos> he was here on meeting night and we didnt have time to help him
[15:42] <stickyboy> Kilos: omggggggggggggggggggggggg
[15:42] <stickyboy> http://lists.habari.co.tz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux
[15:42] <stickyboy> Mailing list for Linux Users Group in Arusha, TZ.
[15:42] <stickyboy> w00t
[15:43] <Kilos> lol
[15:43] <Kilos> tell them to join us man
[16:14] <magespawn> back again
[16:14] <Kilos> wb
[16:22] <magespawn> brb just changing connection again
[17:07] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[17:24] <captine> evening all
[17:25] <Kilos> hi captine
[17:25] <captine> here's a first world problem... trying to install ubuntu when you dont have a wired keyboard... bluetooth keyboard wont work when selecting the boot option on the thumb drive
[17:25] <captine> lol
[17:26] <Kilos> eish
[17:26] <Kilos> borrow one somewhere
[17:36] <magespawn> captine: i think usb will work
[17:36] <magespawn> good evening
[17:37] <captine> magespawn, i dont have usb keyboard.. only bluetooth
[17:37] <captine> lol
[17:40] <magespawn> mmm i wonder if you can add the bluetooth drivers to the kernel yourself
[17:42] <Kilos> captine  how did you get into this situation
[17:42] <captine> mac mini
[17:42] <Kilos> ah
[17:42] <captine> and bluetooth keyboard.  used my work keyboard last time I loaded.
[17:44] <captine> was wanting to nuke and pave with 15.04 gnome edition...
[17:44] <captine> might have to get a cheap keyboard tomorrow
[17:45] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <Kilos> no one near you with one?
[17:48] <captine> tried my neighbour... only imac with bluetooth
[17:48] <captine> lol
[17:48] <captine> am keen to get a new desktop PC to stop using the mini
[17:48] <Kilos> eish
[17:48] <captine> just need my lotto tickets to come in
[17:48] <captine> not serios
[17:51] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[17:51] <inetpro> good mornings
[17:52] <inetpro> oh, where did the day go?
[17:52] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[17:52] <inetpro> good evening Kilos
[17:52] <Kilos> haha
[18:32] <magespawn> ty inetpro
[18:33] <magespawn> in and out, like the hokey pokey tonight
[18:35] <inetpro> magespawn: anything else we need to add in our team reports for the month?
[18:35] <inetpro> Current report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/April2015#South_African_Ubuntu_team
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[18:36] <magespawn> will have a quick gander
[18:37] <Kilos> we getting somewhere inetpro
[18:38] <Kilos> we just need to sleep a bit more
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: been a busy few months, not sure how you plan to keep us all fit and running smoothly at this pace
[18:41] <Kilos> sorry man
[18:41] <Kilos> you okes started the trello thing
[18:42] <Kilos> magespawn  dont believe him he is the one pushing
[18:44] <magespawn> inetpro: looks complete
[18:45] <magespawn> maybe mention team colaboration being done using trello and the increase in irc activity
[18:45] <magespawn> new members?
[18:45] <Kilos> ya lots
[18:45] <Kilos> we up 11 i think
[18:45] <inetpro> magespawn: we need to leave more things for next month man :-)
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <magespawn> mmmm, perhaps we need to do more things for next month?
[18:47] <Kilos> whew magespawn  we tired man
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: who's tired?
[18:48] <Kilos> me man
[18:48] <Kilos> hi alphad
[18:48] <inetpro> only your blood pressure that need fixing :-)
[18:48] <alphad> hi kilos
[18:48] <Kilos> oh i forgot to magnetise me today till just mow
[18:49] <inetpro> hi alphad
[18:49] <Kilos> will check again tomorrow if i remember
[18:49] <Kilos> i believe in magic
[18:50] <alphad> hi inetpro
[18:50] <alphad> hi folk
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... do we know alphad or is he a new member?
[18:51] <Kilos> i think we have chatted hey alphad  ?
[18:52] <alphad> yes, with melodie
[18:52] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:52]  * inetpro is not good at remembering new faces
[18:53] <inetpro> only Kilos who can keep up with them
[18:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:54] <magespawn> Kilos does seem the most often
[18:54] <magespawn> s/seem/see
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: btw, where do you see 11 new members?
[18:54] <Kilos> we were 75 on launchpad
[18:54] <Kilos> 86 or 7 now
[18:54] <inetpro> that was months ago
[18:54] <inetpro> 87 now
[18:55] <magespawn> do you see the USA team reports?
[18:55] <Kilos> we need to slow down a bit
[18:55] <Kilos> yeah
[18:56] <magespawn> they also list things like windows repairs done at ubuntu meets
[18:56] <inetpro> magespawn: oh, I didn't even look at others, yet
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <Kilos> i do windows repairs for school kids
[18:56] <Kilos> only 2 so far
[18:57] <magespawn> looks like arizona has been the busiest
[19:00] <Kilos> alphad  did we chat here with melodie? or somewhere else?
[19:00] <inetpro> we should look at other examples more often
[19:01] <Kilos> they have big teams and mostly young peeps inetpro
[19:01] <Kilos> new brooms sweep clean
[19:02] <inetpro> the big challenge is in keeping them sweeping for longer
[19:02] <alphad> kilos here or in ubuntu-africa
[19:03] <Kilos> whew luckily you remember
[19:03] <Kilos> did we ever welcome you here?
[19:06] <alphad> not yet
[19:07] <Kilos> alphad  welcome to ubuntu-za
[19:07] <Kilos> sorry for forgetting
[19:07] <alphad> ;) thanks
[19:10] <magespawn> inetpro: it also looks like they do a lot of stuff that our lugs do
[19:11] <Kilos> would actually be interesting to see if they have separate lugs there as well
[19:11] <Kilos> like we dont have many lug okes here
[19:12] <Kilos> we need to pull some of them in with us
[19:14] <Kilos> we need someone to check out mazals coc walk through
[19:25] <Kilos> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-LB-Link-BL-SF801-10-100Mbps-8-Port-Mini-Ethernet-Switch-Switcher-Desktop-RJ45-Network/1578015629.html
[19:25] <Kilos> inetpro  i have one of those
[19:26] <Kilos> works kiff
[19:26] <Kilos> just need to make a power supply for it
[19:26] <Kilos> using router supply atm
[19:27] <magespawn> so why do you need another?
[19:27] <Kilos> i dont like having to rely on modern things too much
[19:27] <Kilos> why did it blows its factory one
[19:28] <magespawn> pretty sure you could just get one of those power supplies that are adjustable
[19:28] <Kilos> much simpler than routers the switch
[19:28] <magespawn> probably eksdom rather than the device
[19:28] <Kilos> nono i make strong suppies
[19:28] <Kilos> ask pro
[19:29] <magespawn> switchs just connect computers, that is why you need to set the ip address on each machine
[19:29] <Kilos> mine can charge car batteries even
[19:29] <magespawn>  most people would just buy one
[19:29] <magespawn> that is a handy skill to have
[19:29] <Kilos> these little 2 pin things arent reliable
[19:30] <magespawn> you could post the details of how to do that on your blog with pictures, then other can learn the skills
[19:31] <magespawn> could hold classes to show others at ubuntu meets, then that can go in the team reports too
[19:32] <Kilos> its a simple circuit giagram
[19:32] <Kilos> diagram
[19:32] <magespawn> get comapanies or people to sponser or bring the materials
[19:32] <magespawn> simple to those who know how to do it
[19:33] <Kilos> nono you want to give me more work
[19:33] <stickyboy> Kilos: d00d
[19:33] <stickyboy> I forgot to talk to you earlier.
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <stickyboy> I discovered a Linux Users mailing list in Tanzania earlier.
[19:34] <stickyboy> wtf, all these people have mailing lists and nobody talks to each other.
[19:34] <Kilos> yeah i looked at it
[19:34] <Kilos> you need to educate them the ubuntu way
[19:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:34] <stickyboy> s/ubuntu/linux/
[19:34] <stickyboy> ;)
[19:34] <stickyboy> hah!
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <stickyboy> And they're only 4 hours from Nairobu.
[19:35] <inetpro> wb stickyboy
[19:35] <stickyboy> And I love going to Arusha...
[19:35] <stickyboy> inetpro: Thanks.
[19:35] <Kilos> wow go visit man
[19:35] <Kilos> and advertise our site and channel
[19:35] <stickyboy> I'm back from the abyss of arguing about AnjularJS on twitter.
[19:35] <stickyboy> Man, what a waste of time.
[19:36] <Kilos> twitter and facebook are painful to me
[19:36] <Kilos> all the peeps in fb that want to be friends
[19:36] <Kilos> eish
[19:37] <Kilos> i opened facebook to find family and school friends, now hundreds i dont know want to be friends
[19:37] <Kilos> sigh
[19:39] <stickyboy> Facebook is meh.
[19:39] <stickyboy> Twitter intelligence is higher, and all the cryptography guys are there.
[19:39] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <stickyboy> Google+ is where all the developers are. Linux / Android mostly.
[19:39] <magespawn> yup g+ seems to have better content
[19:39] <stickyboy> But I deleted my Facebook account in 2005. Deleted my Google+ last year.
[19:40] <magespawn> still have mine but mostly lurk and read the interesting stuff
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <Kilos> the way peeps chat about anything and everything on fb is disturbing
[19:41] <magespawn> i have found a couple of interesting communities on g
[19:41] <magespawn> +
[19:41] <Kilos> for the whole world to see
[19:42] <magespawn> but there is a lot of stuff out there, so need to filter it a bit
[19:42] <magespawn> or else you get overwhelmed
[19:42] <Kilos> yeah
[19:42] <Kilos> like me and rtfs
[19:42] <stickyboy> Too much Jesus Loves You and I'm Getting Married on FB.
[19:42] <stickyboy> Twitter is like, "Oh s$&!, someone dropped a 0day"
[19:44] <Kilos> magespawn  have you signed the coc
[19:44] <magespawn> yup and i really dislike the way fb now puts the things on your timeline according to their programming
[19:44] <magespawn> coc?
[19:45] <Kilos> cvode of conduct
[19:45] <Kilos> code
[19:45] <Kilos> https://trello.com/c/olme2bfK/64-make-a-walk-through-for-signing-the-code-of-conduct
[19:45] <magespawn> yes a while ago now
[19:45] <Kilos> eish
[19:46] <Kilos> i want someone to try that
[19:46] <magespawn> eish?
[19:46] <magespawn> now what?
[19:46] <magespawn> ohh right, we will get a guinea pig soon enough
[19:47] <Kilos> and if its simpler than the wiki directions maybe get the buntu peeps to use that =instead
[19:48] <Kilos> i need to sleep. night all. sleep tight
[19:48] <stickyboy> Night
[19:48] <magespawn> good night Kilos
[20:09] <magespawn> bedtime for me too, good night all
[21:23] <gremble> o/
[21:26] <captine> hi gremble
[21:26] <gremble> hey captine. How are you?
[21:26] <captine> good thanks and you?
[21:27] <gremble> I am well thank you. Just very noticably non-sleepy.
[21:27] <gremble> Also sad because it is the end of my week-off
[21:29] <captine> lol
[21:29] <captine> same here
[21:29] <captine> u have a good break?
[21:30] <gremble> Yes. I was unreasonably effective. Finished two books, learnt a good deal of haskell and even caught up on school work
[21:36] <captine> wow.  i just did home maintenance, garage cleaning and lots of looking after kids...
[21:41] <gremble> I don't have to do much home mantanance or look after kids :P
[21:41] <gremble> And we haven't had a garage since I was a very small boy
[21:41] <gremble> :P
[21:42] <captine> lol
[21:42] <captine> night gremble
[21:42] <captine> bed time
[21:42] <gremble> cheers captine
[21:45] <smile> Slaapwel :)


 There is no pulseaudio 12 in 18.04
 plasma-pa originally used gconf due to: https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-pa.git/commit/?h=Plasma/5.13&id=677775b7db387b0d019f1a62dfcea86159a51f40
 which is now optional in latest plasma: https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-pa.git/commit/?id=c9fae1fb3f8e8a820fd480ce227d7fabf87bd045
[01:18] <OvermindDL1> Well somehow he got it, and he was not using staging or anything
[01:18] <OvermindDL1> Managed to fix it by parsing the apt log to get old version and downgrading to those, but of a pain but it fixed it all
[01:19] <OvermindDL1> Bit of*
[01:20] <OvermindDL1> So it was added to just keep from needing to serialize out some settings to restore modules, bleh, what an ancient dependency to just do that
[01:44] <sm222> Hey, quick question. Fresh install and snap packages don't show up in krunner / the menu. Is there a workaround for this minus creating menu entries for these apps?
[01:55] <sm222> weird after restarting it shows up
[01:55] <sm222> Ohh, I think it cause i changed my shell back to bash
[06:40] <Mandor> Hi!  I'm running kubuntu 18.04 on a laptop, upgraded from older versions.  I've recently noticed that the little network icon has turned red.
[06:41] <Mandor> The wireless NIC works and connects to my main wifi essid.  But if I click on the little icon, it doesn't show me a list of detected essids like it used to.
[06:42] <Mandor> I do have the options to disable wireless altogether, to go into airplane mode, or to configure the wireless LANs.
[06:42] <Mandor> But I can't actually select which one should be current.
[06:43] <Mandor> If I run "iwlist wlan0 scanning", I see a bunch of wireless essids detected.  So it's all working at a low level.  There just seems to be something wrong with the kubuntu applet foo.
[06:43] <Mandor> Or maybe an intermediate layer.  If I try nm-applet, I get equivalent behavior.
[06:44] <Mandor> So something weird is going on.  I know the relatively low levels of the network stack, but I suspect something is broken in some configuration layer that I am not familiar with.
[06:44] <Mandor> Any clues?
[07:02] <hateball> Mandor: if you untick "connect automatically" you should be able to click and connect on the desired network
[07:02] <hateball> well you should be able to click connect as you like, but if you're jumping between SSIDs it might reconnect to a different one, was my thought
[07:03] <Mandor> hateball: tried it.  No joy.
[07:04] <Mandor> In particular, unticking connect automatically from an SSID, saving, and restarting the network still reconnects automatically to the first ssid.  And I still don't get a list of SSIDs.
[07:05] <diogenes_> Mandor, what if you remove all the saved connections and try again to connect but this time untick that
[07:12] <Mandor> diogenes_: good idea.  Oddly, the SSID came back.
[07:15] <Mandor> Although DHCP didn't automatically come back.  I had to reconfigure IP, etc. manually.
[07:16] <diogenes_> Mandor, maybe after removing them you needed a systemctl restart NetworkManager
[07:16] <Mandor> Thanks, I already did that.
[07:17] <Mandor> No joy.
[07:19] <Mandor> Oh, wow.
[07:19] <Mandor> I found at least two things that it might be: 1. /etc/network/interfaces has an auto stanza for wlan0.
[07:21] <Mandor> 2. locate on my essid finds some stuff in /etc/NetworkManager.  Although I think that's just stale locatedb entries.
[07:26] <Mandor> I did ifdown -a, commented out the entry from /etc/network/interfaces, did an ifup -a, and restarted NetworkManager.  No joy.
[07:26] <diogenes_> Mandor, what if you try to create a new test user and try there?
[07:27] <Mandor> diogenes_: good idea.  I think I'll rebooting, first, just in case something got left in a weird state from having an entry in /etc/network/interfaces.
[07:28] <Mandor> (Thank goodness for screen+cloud servers, or you would see me bouncing up and down in IRC every time I messed with one of these things.)
[07:28] <diogenes_> :)
[07:28] <acheronuk> do networks show when you scan for available ones on the command line?
[07:28] <Mandor> Yup, iwlist wlan0 scan shows all the usual networks that I should see.
[07:32] <acheronuk> and 'nmcli device wifi list' ?
[07:34] <acheronuk> maybe after 'nmcli device wifi rescan' if nothing shows
[07:38] <Mandor> Back.  Yup, it was the /etc/network/interfaces file.  Rebooting cleaed the bad state.  Not sure why I had that in place, but probably something I did and forgot about.  Sorry for wasting your collective time!
[07:38] <acheronuk> unless plasma-pa widget has gone complete fritzo, it should just report what network-manager thinks is there
[07:39] <acheronuk> Mandor: ah. ok. no problem :)
[08:49] <Kon-> There's a pulse audio update for 18.04 and Discover wants to remove plasma-pa and the gconf module as part of the update process
[08:50] <Kon-> This seems like it's not working as intended. How am I going to control levels without plasma-pa? And pulseaudio-module-gconf is used by all kinds of things
[08:53] <eeos> hi everybody. I am looking for a microblogging client that allows me to post brief messages on twitter, linkedin, researchgate and facebook at the same time .... anyone who know about one?
[09:03] <acheronuk> Kon-: last pulseaudio update in 18.04 was back on 4th July, and did not obsolete the gconf module. do you have a ppa where someone backported the cosmic pulsraudio?
[09:08] <Kon-> acheronuk: Thanks, it was a PPA for an app I wasn't using called PulseEffects. They apparently added all other things Pulse-related to their PPA
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:51] <eeos> hi BluesKaj
[12:52] <BluesKaj> hi eeos
[14:28] <OvermindDL1> Ah, that friend of mine also uses pulseeffects!  That might explain why his plasma-pa died then
[20:16] <tonyt> installed wine but i cant find it
[20:16] <tonyt> anyone have any ideas?
 @tonyt, The wine menu is currently broken, but all the wine stuff works.  From Dollphi, you can click an .exe file and it should run.
 you can also run winecfg from krunner or the terminal.
[20:23] <tonyt> well for instance i am trying to run mirc.exe but when try to open it it comes with with a windows to search for a program to run it with
[20:23] <tonyt> and wine doesnt show up
[20:23] <tonyt> i uninstalled wine and trying the wine dev release in the software center
 The stable or Dev will both work, but the .desktop files do not land in the correct location for KDE to detect them.
[20:24] <tonyt> it still wont give me the option to run it with wine
[20:25] <tonyt> "choose application" windows pops up and the is no wine listed in there
 strangely enough, the wine menu will be correctly created when you install a windows program (but the winecfg link will still be missing).
 the wine menu and winecfg can be manually added using kmenuedit
[20:27] <tonyt> im lost. im a little new to this.
[20:28] <tonyt> im using hexchat but i was curious to see if i could get mirc to run
[20:55]  * OvermindDL1 prefers either konversation for quicky irc stuff or irssi, or irccloud when on the phone...
[20:56] <OvermindDL1> I thought mIRC was long-dead, does it even support some of the newer things (not that this irc server uses them, but eh)?
[20:56] <OvermindDL1> I hear Quassal is awesome but not tried it yet
[21:33] <valorie> konversation is teh awesome
[21:34] <valorie> tonyt: does it run from krunner? (alt+space)
[21:34] <valorie> i rarely use menus anymore; just krunner or pin the app to the panel
[22:15] <OvermindDL1> krunner is my addiction
[22:15] <OvermindDL1> I wish it had a simple scripting plugin interface though (or does it)?
[22:15] <OvermindDL1> I've made a C++ plugin but too much pain for one-off things
[22:16] <OvermindDL1> I should probably just make a lua plugin for it or something, but unsure how to register new commands that way on the fly...
[23:16] <valorie> OvermindDL1: there may be a scripting plugin interface -- perhaps ask in #plasma during euro-working hours
[23:17] <OvermindDL1> Would be nice


[14:40] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[19:18] <micahg> mr_pouit: I was hoping to start getting involved in xubuntu development, is there stuff I can help with in UBuntu?
[19:19] <mr_pouit> yeah, sure, most of the fun will start after I upload xfce4-panel
[19:19] <mr_pouit> put it won't happen before alpha1, because it breaks everything
[19:19] <mr_pouit> s/put/but/
[19:20] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, I can't commit a significant amount of time at the moment, but can help with merges/syncs from Universe
[19:20] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I can now reproduce the disappearing panel anytime
[19:20] <charlie-tca> even in natty
[19:20] <micahg> s/from/in
[19:21] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm subscribe to the pkg-xfce list in Debian and am happy to keep natty in sync with the latest uploads to Debian if that helps any
[19:21] <mr_pouit> micahg: okay, everything is already in the pkg-xfce svn repo, so it will only need to import that, and have some fun with gold & as-needed
[19:22] <mr_pouit> micahg: that's why I'm using -0faksync1, because it's easy to differentiate what is "long-term ubuntu changes" and the rest
[19:22] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: mmh, I guess we'll have to live with it until the alpha1. After that I'll upload xfce4-panel 4.7 which might fix that
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Hoping
[19:23] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: or we can decide not to release this alpha 1, in which case I upload much sooner
[19:23] <micahg> mr_pouit: yeah, but that's not what it's meant for, also, if you're clear in the changelog, the person doing the merge next time will know to sync
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Would we be better off not to release alpha1? It gives us an opportunity to make sure everything is working.
[19:24] <micahg> mr_pouit: is most of the work then uploading new versions from pkg-xfce?
[19:24] <mr_pouit> micahg: well, I don't really trust "the person doing the next merge" (because most uploaders do not bother getting in touch with the xubuntu team)
[19:24] <micahg> directly to Ubuntu and not through Debian
[19:25] <micahg> mr_pouit: that's an issue, this early in the cycle, anyone doing the merge should contact the TIL person
[19:25] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: we are planning to roll out the Xubuntu 10.04.2 release, too
[19:25] <charlie-tca> scheduled for February 17
[19:25] <mr_pouit> micahg: yeah, I worked directly with the debian maintainer to put everything in their svn
[19:25] <micahg> mr_pouit: and if that's not happening, that should be brought up on the -motu list and/or IRC channel
[19:29] <mr_pouit> micahg: it's not a big deal, I don't think that's worth the pain (and when it is autosynced, 'motu' is set as a maintainer and not 'xubuntu-team', so I can't blame him). But e.g. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2010-November/001152.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2010-November/001658.html : I wasn't contacted before the upload, and I would've told him that he's wasting his time, because everything wil
[19:30] <micahg> fun, 2 MOTUs
[19:30] <micahg> mr_pouit: also, it's not ubuntu-dev and not motu as contact
[19:30] <micahg> *now
[19:30] <mr_pouit> ah yeah right
[19:31] <micahg> mr_pouit: right, but they can be reminded of the courtesy to ask first
[19:31] <micahg> it's more important in this case since they're flavour packages
[19:32] <micahg> mr_pouit: I can send a generic e-mail to the MOTU list reminding people to contact the TIL person before doing a merge/sync
[19:33] <micahg> mr_pouit: eventually, this'll be sorted out with the archive reorganization
[19:33] <micahg> MOTU will only be able to upload unseeded packages
[19:36] <micahg> mr_pouit: anyways, I can do simple things now, maybe more starting in January
[19:37] <mr_pouit> micahg: you can look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Natty/Xfce4.8
[19:38] <mr_pouit> I try to keep it up-to-date
[19:38] <mr_pouit> most of the things are blocked by xfce4-panel (and so the alpha1), so there's not much to do now, unless if you want to start preparing panel-plugins somewhere?
[19:39] <micahg> mr_pouit: as in prepare a rebuild of all of them for after the new panel is uploaded?
[19:42] <mr_pouit> yeah, as long as you put your name on the wiki page so we don't do duplicate work, I'm fine
[19:43] <micahg> mr_pouit: if it helps you, I'm happy to do it
[19:43] <mr_pouit> if you don't like panel plugins, there are a few standalone apps that are simpler, e.g. ristretto & xfce4-volumed
[19:43] <mr_pouit> but no need to rush until alpha 1, so don't feel forced to do it immediately
[19:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: at what point do you think natty will be stable enough for daily Xubuntu usage?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> micahg: I am using it daily already
[19:51] <micahg> charlie-tca: it hasn't started breaking yet :)
[19:51] <charlie-tca> I upgraded from maverick.
[19:51] <charlie-tca> No, it should break all the way to the RC
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Only thing I don't understand is why ff has not upgraded to 4.0. It is already in the images
[19:52] <micahg> I usually upgrade around beta since all the major changes are in place and I don't expect non-responsive system breakage
[19:52] <micahg> charlie-tca: local mirror?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> nope
[19:52] <charlie-tca> us.archives
[19:52]  * micahg needs to update the firefox-next PPA for FF 4.0 beta 7
[19:52] <charlie-tca> same as the cd
[19:53] <charlie-tca> well, actually, same sources.list as after installing from the alternate image
[19:54] <mr_pouit> micahg: xfce 4.7.x is already rather "stable". And the panel breakge will only annoy stupid people ignoring warnings from their package manager (because the old plugins will conflict with the new panel, everything will be kept, unless you force a dist-upgrade)
[19:54] <mr_pouit> but I'm hoping we'll have rebuilt everything for the 2nd alpha
[19:55] <mr_pouit> (I guess the conflicts will be iso generation though, so potentially no daily image for more than a month)
[19:55] <mr_pouit> s/be/break/
[19:56] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, so I'll plan on upgrading as soon as they get all the X/Mesa changes in
[19:56] <micahg> that didn't happen right before beta for maverick
[19:56] <micahg> *until
[19:58] <micahg> mr_pouit: so, I have to port the xul rdepends this cycle as well, so I don't know how much time I'll have, I do want to help though, I guess I should chat with you again after alpha 1
[19:59] <mr_pouit> no problem :)
[20:00] <micahg> mr_pouit: feel free to ping me if there's something you think you can easily offload in the mean tiem
[20:00] <micahg> *time


 It's very unprofessional, and very much against what was decided would be a good tone for the channel.
[05:15] <Seven_Six_Two> sorry. forgot to add, it was lusr
[05:19] <Seven_Six_Two> I got help. thanks!
[19:39] <k1l_> "i am an gentoo expert and i need to tell the noobs at #u how a real linux is like"?
[19:42] <genii> the tux rules guy?
[19:42] <k1l_> yes
[19:51] <genii> Heh, "I tried all commands on Google"
[19:51] <genii> ..sounds kinda scary


[02:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:37] <wez> Afternoon! How are you lotuspsychje?  How's Ubuntu coming along?
[07:48] <cartdrige> It's black friday! Don't forget to order a gnu license for your Uboon 2!
[08:32] <bG9s> friday already?
[09:40] <arraybolt3> A GNU license... that would be some awful news if that started being a thing. :P
[10:45] <ogra> arraybolt3, it is a thing ! ... ubuntu ships it for free in /usr/share/common-licenses/ though 🙂
 "arraybolt3, it is a thing..." <- :P you know what I meant.
[18:43] <ogra> 🙂


[12:47] <segfault> hi
[12:48] <segfault> does anyone here understand how rosetta works? :)
[12:48] <Nafallo> segfault: sure, you fill in the translation in the textbox under the english sentence. and you should probably be on #launchpad instead of #ubuntu-doc :-).
[12:49] <segfault> oh yes, i know how to translate.. hehe
[12:50] <segfault> i'm asking just to know if i translate something related to quickguide (e.g.), does it get automatically in the next package build?
[12:51] <Nafallo> the next build of language-package-CC yes.
[12:51] <Nafallo> but you should probably not translate those in breezy just yet. I might be wrong though. anyone else alive? :-)
[12:54] <segfault> yeah, that's another thing i don't know yet
[12:55] <segfault> if translations from hoary get imported to breezy
[12:55] <segfault> :/
[07:04] <Madpilot> anyone alive here?
[07:07] <mgalvin> hi Madpilot
[07:08] <Madpilot> hi mgalvin
[07:43] <mgalvin> later all
[09:42] <martinjh99> Hi there - What packages do I need to install for docbooks?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> what do you mean?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> docbook is a file format
[09:43] <martinjh99> I have just downloaded the docs from svn - How do I go about changing them into something I can read ie either HTML or PDF?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:43] <Burgundavia> you need xmlto
[09:43] <martinjh99> xmltools? ;)
[09:45] <Burgundavia> no
[09:45] <Burgundavia> xmlto
[09:45] <martinjh99> Ah doing that right now - Thanks!
[10:34] <rob^> hmm
[10:35] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:36] <rob^> dam matts not here
[10:36] <Burgundavia> galvin? he left about 2 1/2 hours ago
[10:36] <rob^> yeah
[10:46] <rob^> who is Tomas Zijdemans?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> no idea
[11:06] <mdke> morning all
[11:06] <Burgundavia> morning
[11:07] <highvoltage> morning
[11:07] <rob^> umm arvo
[11:08] <highvoltage> mdke: your nick keeps registering as "mandrake" with me :)
[11:08] <mdke> bah
[11:08] <highvoltage> thought you would say something like that ;)
[11:09] <rob^> does anyone know who is Tomas Zijdemans?
[11:09] <rob^> umm
[11:09] <rob^> who he is
[11:12] <mdke> no
[11:12] <mdke> why?
[11:12] <rob^> matt added him as an original author of the FAQ guide
[11:12] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you should be happy to know that mono will be installed by default for Breezy
[11:12] <rob^> I have never heard of him and his name is not listed on ubuntuguide.org either
[11:13] <mdke> rob^, is that a problem?
[11:13] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: I should!?
[11:13] <mdke> Burgundavia, wow
[11:13] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, just saw your comment in #ubuntu
[11:13] <highvoltage> ah :)
[11:14] <rob^> mdke, no, but I was looking at making a few alterations to that part and noticed he was added just recently
[11:14] <rob^> just wondering really
[11:16] <mdke> i guess maybe a section added by matt was written by him?
[11:16] <rob^> maybe, I'll ask him next time I see him
[11:18] <mdke> i wrote something in an email recently about what to do with the ubuntu userguide, did anyone have any thoughts?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hi
[11:18] <mdke> hi jsgotangco :)
[11:18] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco
[11:19] <jsgotangco> wow its a sunday and the channel is busy
[11:19] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:19] <Burgundavia> only just sunday here
[11:19] <jsgotangco> its kinda old email
[11:19] <rob^> what was the subject?
[11:20] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hehe.
[11:20] <Burgundavia> the only email I see is the commit stuff
[11:20] <mdke> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-August/003167.html
[11:20] <highvoltage> are you guys familiar with xul?
[11:20] <mdke> in the second paragraph
[11:22] <Burgundavia> mdke, what about it?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, froud has some experience with it
[11:22] <rob^> I think the FAQ Guide and Local Help would be better being one in the same
[11:23] <rob^> The userguide should be the place people go for more information
[11:23] <mdke> Burgundavia, i wondered if people had some thoughts about what to do with the ubuntu userguide: it will clearly not get finished as it is currently specced, and its probably not useful to duplicate so much material
[11:23] <jsgotangco> i agree
[11:23] <Burgundavia> to be honest, I would kill it
[11:23] <Burgundavia> I think user guides are useless
[11:23] <mdke> i think possibly the material that exists which described linux, gnu, and ubuntu might be useful
[11:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:24] <mdke> chapter 1 here: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/userguide/C/
[11:25] <rob^> the userguide could be a sought of "index" for upstream docs
[11:25] <jsgotangco> rob^: right
[11:25] <Burgundavia> ya
[11:25] <rob^> cool
[11:25] <mdke> interesting idea
[11:25] <Burgundavia> if the gnome doc project eventually gets it act together, we can also use some of that
[11:25] <rob^> yep
[11:26] <Burgundavia> but that is unlikely witht eh current crew
[11:26] <Burgundavia> they need someone to come along and do it
[11:26] <Burgundavia> post-breezy, we need canonical to fund some yelp work
[11:26] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, ya right
[11:26] <rob^> Burgundavia, agreed
[11:27] <rob^> badly, maybe even make it a bounty or something
[11:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:27] <Burgundavia> it has been discussed in the breezy and hoary cycles
[11:27] <Burgundavia> but nothing came of it
[11:27] <Burgundavia> after sept, we should identify what needs to be done, and present a list to jdub/mdz
[11:27] <rob^> I noticed they did some work recently on it getting qandaset to work, but it still needs work
[11:28] <rob^> yep
[11:28] <Burgundavia> there are some patches sitting upstream that are going to miss .12 and breezy
[11:28] <mdke> as long as it displays html ok, we're fine IMO
[11:28] <rob^> yes
[11:28] <rob^> one day I would like to see xml though
[11:29] <Burgundavia> search and printing would be nice
[11:29] <mdke> yes
[11:29] <rob^> it looks like a help app with xml, with html it just looks like a browser
[11:30] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, was that meant for this channel?
[11:30] <jsgotangco> ohh
[11:30] <jsgotangco> crap
[11:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:30] <rob^> I wonder if we could have yelp point to some online thing that we could easily update
[11:31] <jsgotangco> some online thing that we can update?
[11:31] <rob^> yeah
[11:31] <Burgundavia> a wiki or something similar?
[11:31] <rob^> just a thought
[11:31] <jsgotangco> just point it to a wiki entry
[11:31] <jsgotangco> i've thought of that before
[11:31] <jsgotangco> extending yelp to the wiki
[11:31] <jsgotangco> since yelp docs are frozen
[11:31] <jsgotangco> your updated doc or errata should be somewhere
[11:31] <Burgundavia> the people who turn to help are likely not to have an internet connection
[11:31] <rob^> like an online server where we could move releases of the svn repo stuff every now and then
[11:32] <rob^> it could default to a set of docs on the system when there is no net connection
[11:32] <rob^> but use the up to date ones when there is
[11:32] <mdke> why?
[11:33] <rob^> then we could make changes/additions after release
[11:33] <mdke> we can do that now
[11:33] <rob^> yes
[11:33] <Burgundavia> we can push it into hoary-updates
[11:33] <mdke> you need permission to upload to updates
[11:33] <rob^> but this wouldn't require anyone to update to use it
[11:34] <rob^> it would be just "there"
[11:34] <Burgundavia> updates are enabled by default
[11:34] <rob^> I dunno, just a thought I guess
[11:34] <Burgundavia> it is just another repo
[11:34] <mdke> i quite like the current system
[11:35] <rob^> maybe one day when I decided to relearn C or something I could do something :P
[11:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:36] <Burgundavia> bah
[11:37] <rob^> we could do a simple "svn release faqguide.xml" and it would compile a html version and upload it to a web server, with Yelp pointing to that web server
[11:38] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:38] <Burgundavia> I don't see this idea failing gracefully
[11:39] <rob^> its just a thought, it would require a lot of work to implement properly
[11:39] <rob^> and planning
[11:39] <Burgundavia> what I mean by failing gracefully is gaining/loosing internet connections
[11:39] <jsgotangco> hmmm does docbook have a tag for footnotes or something or do i make a structure workaround using xref?
[11:40] <rob^> yeah, like I said a lot of planning/work would be required to account for things like this
[11:41] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: do you think its a good time to start on the new quickguide now or should we wait for another milestone release
[11:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we can rough the ideas in now
[11:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, .12 features are set, and our feature freeze is 7 days away
[11:42] <jsgotangco> sure we get .12 anyways
[11:42] <jsgotangco> bulk of the doc would be a rehash of the .12 preview
[11:42] <rob^> just a question, how does feature freeze effect our documents
[11:42] <Burgundavia> doesn't
[11:42] <rob^> good
[11:42] <jsgotangco> it doesn't it just gives a clear picture of what's inside
[11:42] <Burgundavia> our writing stops on Sept. 8
[11:44] <Burgundavia> rob^, lets kick the faq guide and local help together. I am not entirely happy with the faqguide, but it is a step in the right direction
[11:44] <jsgotangco> err guys
[11:44] <jsgotangco> don't forget our Style Guide is almost done
[11:44] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:44] <jsgotangco> once agreed to be released all docs should comply to it
[11:45] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:45] <rob^> Burgundavia, I think we need to go with what we have for the FAQ Guide for Breezy, but after that I'm happy to make some big changes
[11:45] <Burgundavia> sure
[11:45] <Burgundavia> I was dreaming about a better server guide already
[11:45] <jsgotangco> err..well not really "should" but at least please refer to it once when its done
[11:46] <rob^> jsgotangco, I have had a few looks at it, good work
[11:46] <rob^> its handy
[11:46] <jsgotangco> sure additions are always welcome to it since its supposed to be our manual
[11:47] <Burgundavia> mdke, that frontpage thing I sent to the list, that is a relic of those dicussions, no?
[11:47] <mdke> yeah
[11:47] <mdke> i deleted most of the others
[11:47] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:47] <mdke> just left that one because I remember you wrote it ;)
[11:48] <Burgundavia> I did?
[11:48] <mdke> i think
[11:48] <Burgundavia> totally random OT link --> http://www.venganza.org/noodledoodle_bg3.jpg (Yes, it is 3am here)
[11:49] <jsgotangco> see you guys later we have church at 6
[11:49] <rob^> cya
[11:49] <jsgotangco> seems like a nice time to hang out here though
[11:49] <Burgundavia> I live int he wrong timezone
[11:49] <jsgotangco> yeah you should move in europe
[11:50] <Burgundavia> need to convince the gf to move as well
[11:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm i guess froud is getting tired of the docteam thing
[11:51] <jsgotangco> (for the Nth time)
[11:51] <Burgundavia> he also threatened to quit a while ago
[11:51] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, indeed
[11:52] <jsgotangco> oh he was here a few hours ago?
[11:52] <Burgundavia> he hasn;t been here for at least 12 hours
[11:54] <jsgotangco> mdke: you've been busy?
[12:04] <mdke> yes
[12:05] <mdke> i'm at the computer less because my gf is here, and I'm spending much of that time on ubuntu-it atm
[12:10] <rob^> good night all
[12:10] <Burgundavia> night
[03:34] <highvoltage> what do you guys think about a wiki page on ubuntu with a list of irc nicks and the realnames next to them?
[03:39] <mdke> i don't see the need
[03:39] <mdke> don't people set their realnames in irc?
[03:40] <mdke> i think most do
[03:40] <highvoltage> hmmm... perhaps you're right.
[04:49] <jsgotangco> hi all
[04:54] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco.


[23:21] <Gruncle> New installation of UbuntuStudio, and I can't install anything from the software program. Errors are unable to complete task.
[23:22] <Gruncle> Any helpful input appreciated.