[14:36] <James147> Athunye: the dvd contains extra packages that you can install from... its only really eneded if you ahve a mechiene that cant access or has very slow acces to the internet
[14:36] <newbie3211> umm rome i didn't understand pls help
[14:36] <newbie3211> :(
[14:36] <Athunye> James147: Okay. Thanks a lot. I'll get the cd then. :)
[14:37] <James147> newbie3211: not entirly sure whats wrong, you might want to check the forums for more information (searching your graphics card might help)
[14:37] <rome> newbie3211 ubuntu works with gnoe, kubuntu with kde, this is just another visual environment
[14:37] <rome> gnome
[14:37] <Athunye> Will kubuntu someday have a native firewall configuration tool?
[14:38]  * marc-andre is looking after the alternatives to kubuntu in virtualbox...
[14:38] <James147> Athunye: ufw for easier command line editing of the firewall
[14:38] <newbie3211> yes that i know bout the kde and gnome environment...i want to shift to kde..i like the visually appeaning gui
[14:39] <Athunye> James147: Instead of ufw, I really prefer iptables. (just my opinion). Since kubuntu is not a command line *only* system, a firewall gui would be nice.
[14:39] <rome> as i have learned, kde is better programmed than gnome
[14:39] <James147> newbie3211: you can install "kubuntu-desktop" from ubuntu to install kde along side gnome
[14:40] <newbie3211> oh like sudo apt get kubuntu?is the command like this?
[14:40] <James147> rome: that entirly depends on your opinion, gnome apps tend to run slightly faster then kde ones but i have found the kde/qt api very nice to use
[14:41] <Tm_T> newbie3211: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" yes
[14:41] <newbie3211> will i be able to install with ubuntu 9.10 tm_t??
[14:41] <James147> newbie3211: "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"  (you can replacve aptitude with apt-get if you want)
[14:41] <rome> can anyone help me plz? i still have some minor issues with kubuntu 10.4 after boot
[14:41] <Athunye> James147: I've used archlinux and gentoo, and for those distributions, I think firewall through command line makes sense. For Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Mandriva etc, I think a gui makes more sence.
[14:41] <Tm_T> newbie3211: yes
[14:42] <marc-andre> hmmm, i'm with kubuntu since 6.04, but now Gnome seems more interesting to me...
[14:42] <_Wise_> Athunye: I remember a tool called fwbuilder in the past, as far as I remember, it could generate iptables rules
[14:42] <James147> Athunye: I think there might be a gui app, although it might be in kde-apps.org
[14:42] <newbie3211> what is the plasma environment ?
[14:43] <James147> Athunye: kubuntu dosnt have a firewall enabled by default and I dont think that many ppl actuall use it (most are behind router firewalls anyway) but you if you dont find one you could try posting a suggestion
[14:43] <abhifx> some help me please. synaptic is not working
[14:43] <Athunye> James147: Anyway, kubuntu is great!
[14:44] <rome> how can i disable the bluetooth program to start after boot and how can i make my bootscreen look nicer? i think it switches too1600x1200x32 in the login-screen but earlier it looks like 320x200x8
[14:44] <marc-andre> abhifx: use kpaketmanager
[14:44] <marc-andre> rome: do you use proprietary ATI driver ?
[14:44] <Athunye> James147: I say that becuase, I don't expect, say, my wife to learn ufw/iptables command line to set up a firewall although I myself love command line.
[14:44] <rome> proprietery nvidia driver
[14:44] <abhifx> marc-andre, the problem is more deeper.. kpackagemanager will not work too
[14:44] <rome> do i need to edit xorg.conf?
[14:45] <Tm_T> abhifx: how it doesn't work?
[14:45] <marc-andre> abhifx: then apt-get ?
[14:45] <newbie3211> guys  thanks a lot..will try installing and see if it still works..will i get the plasma desktop in the apt-get kubuntu desktop?
[14:45] <abhifx> marc-andre, shall i tell you in detail? if you are willing to help me
[14:45] <marc-andre> rome: i heard about problems with the bootscreen and proprietary drivers
[14:45] <marc-andre> abhifx: we could try
[14:46] <James147> Athunye: its not really a consern on desktop computers (most are connected to a router with an inbuilt firewall nowa days) although laptops connecting to wireless are another matter. You can file a suggestion to kubuntu if you feel like it should be changed
[14:46] <abhifx> marc-andre, thx . it tells me to do this.. sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:46] <rome> marc-andre do you know how to fix them? is there an option for xorg.conf to start before login-screen?
[14:46] <marc-andre> abhifx: did you do it ?
[14:46] <marc-andre> rome: no idea, sorry, i never pay attention to the boot screen :D
[14:46] <abhifx> marc-andre, but this does not fix the problem, here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/2efK858T
[14:47] <rome> marc-andre thx, as i said, this is only a minor issue
[14:47] <Athunye> James147: Okay. Thanks for your time and your kind words. I'll think about whether I really should file a suggestion or not.
[14:47] <James147> newbie3211: you will get kde with kubuntu-desktop (kde includes plasma) you will need to select the session you want to start from the login screen after its installed (you will be able to choose kde or gnome)
[14:48] <marc-andre> abhifx: ok, another plymouth problem... did you try "sudo apt-get install -f" to see if there're any missing pakages ?
[14:49] <abhifx> marc-andre, it doesnt work. same error. dpkg was interuupted. type the command....
[14:50] <newbie3211> guys jus one more thing..i tried installing kubuntu 10.04 also but the problem stayed the same..after the loadup screen my screen went blank same as happend in live cd testing..
[14:51] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:51] <rome> newbie3211 what is you pc/graphiccard?
[14:52] <marc-andre> abhifx: try "apt-get install --reinstall plymouth"
[14:52] <Liw-> hi
[14:52] <rome> newbie3211 it wont work on very old computers
[14:52] <Tm_T> rome: whatwont work?
[14:52] <rome> kubuntu on e.g. pentium2
[14:52] <Tm_T> rome: ...it does
[14:53] <abhifx> marc-andre, same error.. i cant use apt-get or dpkg command anymore
[14:53] <marc-andre> abhifx: restart your pc
[14:53] <rome> Tm_T i have tried it on a P2 and it didn't
[14:53] <Liw-> does anyone know if kubuntu lucid still uses xkb rules?
[14:54] <abhifx> marc-andre, ok. hey man, thanks a lot
[14:54] <marc-andre> abhifx: sorry that i can't help
[14:54] <rome> Tm_T maybe this was because of kde i don't know
[14:55] <abhifx> marc-andre, thats ok. i am glad you tried to help me
[14:55] <abhifx> :)
[14:56] <samwei2008> KSKSK
[14:56] <James147> abhifx: what error do you get when you try to run the commands?
[14:56] <rome> i want to help too
[14:56] <omer> hi
[14:56] <rome> hi omer
[14:56] <rome> !hi | omer
[14:56] <abhifx> James147, i have a pastebin http://pastebin.com/2efK858T
[14:57] <cmptr> hi,people..
[14:57] <Guest7107> hüso
[14:57] <Guest7107> dalarım sana
[14:57] <marc-andre> abhifx: just a question, did you upgrade to 10.04 or did you a complete reinstall ?
[14:57] <James147> abhifx: what error from running "sudo aptitude install -f"?
[14:58] <abhifx> marc-andre, upgrade... and its not complete yet
[14:58] <Guest7107> sorry
[14:58]  * marc-andre never does upgrades, those are to fragile...
[14:58]  * James147 agrees with marc-andre
[14:59] <marc-andre> *highfive* James147
[14:59] <rome> hrhrhr
[14:59] <abhifx> James147, thats dpkg was intrupted... manually solve the problem by typing command...
[14:59] <Athunye> Hmm. I did twice or thrice without problems...
[14:59] <rome> abhifx do you have a deb package for your synaptic?
[15:00] <abhifx> rome, no.. but i can download it. problem is.. it wont get intalled
[15:00] <rome> abhifx can you install other packages?
[15:01] <emin_> de
[15:01] <abhifx> rome no
[15:01] <rome> wiith the gui package manager
[15:01] <abhifx> o crap... electricity is gone... oh no
[15:01] <James147> abhifx: try "sudo dpkg --configure --pending"
[15:02] <rome> James147 why should he do it with the console?
[15:02] <abhifx> James147, the problem lies somewhere else
[15:02] <James147> rome: because something is broken and gui cannot fix it
[15:03] <abhifx> James147, it tries to update initramfs, and that is not happening
[15:03] <rome> James147 have you figured out what's broken?
[15:03] <James147> abhifx: have found --pending worked for me when -a failed before
[15:03] <abhifx> jacquesdupontd, thanls for trying... my ups is going to dye
[15:03] <abhifx> rome, thanks man
[15:04] <abhifx> dye=die
[15:04] <James147> abhifx: beyond that the only thing i can think of is to try a chroot from a live cd but I dont know if that will do anything to help
[15:05] <rome> maybe you need to set up a ramdisk, i don't know, but if, look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=182764
[15:05] <chocolate> I m unable 2 use nepomuk search service.. where to search 4 d files, i have completed d indexing part
[15:06] <rome> chocolate try "find / -name yourfilename" or "find / | grep yourfilename"
[15:06] <James147> rome: that has nothing to do with nepomuk
[15:07] <chocolate> I want to know how to get the search box for it on my desktop
[15:07] <rome> James147 but so he can look for files at least
[15:07] <James147> chocolate: havent see nepomuk find anything yet, although i havent tryed it with lucid yet
[15:07] <chocolate> i have updated to 10.04 distro
[15:08] <James147> chocolate: actuall just tryed it and it worked :S
[15:08] <BluesKaj> chocolate to check whether an application is installed 'aptitude show nameofapplication | grep State'
[15:08] <rome> does anyone now how i can stop the bluetooth manager to start after boot?
[15:09] <chocolate> It is running in my task manager tray rite now and has completed d indexing which has taken hours
[15:09] <chocolate> now where to search for file strings i d k
[15:10] <James147> chocolate: there is a search text box in dolphin that uses nepomuk
[15:10] <chocolate> does that box uses nepomuk itself ?
[15:10] <chocolate> :)
[15:10] <chocolate> let me check
[15:11] <chocolate> thx its working
[15:12] <chocolate> Is their any search service or widget which active searching like its searching and giving me results before i press enter????
[15:12] <hceylan> Hi our class of 6 new ubuntu users here and would like to say hello.... :)
[15:12] <ali__> hello
[15:12] <omer> hello
[15:12] <yakup> hello
[15:12] <rome> chocolate there is no such thing
[15:12] <chocolate> hello
[15:12] <emin_> hello
[15:12] <cmptr> hi. people
[15:12] <mrt12> hello:))
[15:13] <chocolate> k thx
[15:13] <rome> chocolate you mean something like goole search?
[15:13] <James147> chocolate: I think krunner can do that
[15:13] <marc-andre> hceylan: hiho
[15:14] <chocolate> like we search something in windows 7 and it gives search results upto the alphabets u type widout pressing enter..
[15:15] <James147> chocolate: krunner has a nepomuk search feature not sure how well it works though (might need to enable it through krunner settings (alt +f2 to open krunner and click the spanner icon to get the settings))
[15:15] <mrt12> omer:hello
[15:15] <rome> chocolate this need a lot of indexing
[15:15] <James147> rome: he has already done the indexing
[15:16] <James147> chocolate: be warned though, in karmic i found the krunner nepomuk search feature caused krunner to hang occasitionly, not sure how it is in lucd yet though
[15:16] <rome> James147 sorry for not paying attention and confusion
[15:17] <yakup>  Is there any readliy available tool in ubuntu repo to search for bad sectors in the hard drive
[15:17] <James147> yakup: fsck i think can do that (command line util installed by default) dont run it on a mounted partition
[15:17] <chocolate> u were rite ! its working but krunner crashed while searching :D
[15:18] <ljl> yakup: "badblocks"
[15:18] <rome> yakup fsck will do so
[15:18] <ljl> rome: will it?
[15:18] <James147> chocolate: your going to have to wait for it to become more stable then... nepomuk is still in its infincy
[15:18] <rome> ljl "man fsck"
[15:19] <yakup> James147: rome: thx
[15:19] <ljl> rome: doesn't contain the word "bad", "blocks" or "clusters".
[15:19] <chocolate> Is short i will have to wait ? and thats it !
[15:19] <ljl> rome: what should i be looking for?
[15:19] <James147> yakup: badblocks looks more like what you want though
[15:19] <ljl> rome: also, why does 'badblocks' exist if 'fsck' already does it?
[15:20] <rome> ljl badblocks only searches for bad blocks, fsck tries to fixes them
[15:20] <James147> chocolate: kde4 is a complete rewrite so is evelving quite fast, nepomuk has only recently become usable so some things will still need improvment
[15:21] <Tm_T> oh noes it's ljl
[15:21] <James147> chocolate: although kde4 has been out for a few years its still very young :)
[15:21] <ljl> rome: you can't fix bad blocks.
[15:21] <ljl> bad blocks are a hardware issue
[15:22] <apparle> hi guys
[15:22] <hceylan> the idea is to 'search for' bad sectors
[15:22] <chocolate> its working is simple searches which have fewer results
[15:22] <hceylan> not to fix it I guess
[15:22] <James147> apparle: hey
[15:22] <rome> ljl i cannot prove this
[15:22] <pookito> dudes, I just want to know if the new version of kubuntu is having any problems with ubuntuone?  because I think I have install all the packages needed and still it does not work
[15:23] <apparle> James147: so found any shortcut to switch tabs :D
[15:23] <James147> apparle: not yet, i got distracted by things :D
[15:24] <rome> ljl so you want to know if your hard disk drive is damaged? then try to bootcd with a checking utility from your ha<rd disk vendor
[15:24] <James147> apparle: and when i click on the tabs other then the first one the window disapears
[15:25] <Daskreech> Hello
[15:25] <Daskreech> Can someone tell me how to disable the printer services when KDE starts up?
[15:25] <rome> !hi Daskreech
[15:25] <ljl> rome: *i* don't want to know anything. scroll up, yakup asked for a readily available tool to search for bad sectors. that is "badblocks".
[15:25] <eagles0513875> hey Daskreech
[15:25] <Daskreech> hi eagles0513875
[15:25] <eagles0513875> anyone try ext4 on a 2tb hdd
[15:25] <eagles0513875> cuz im having programs crash left right and center when i try to run them
[15:25]  * James147 wishes he had a 2tb driver to try it on
[15:25] <eagles0513875> be it gdebi or the package installer
[15:25] <rome> ljl ahh ok
[15:26] <eagles0513875> James147: you wont if you were in my shoes
[15:26] <apparle> eagles0513875: why... does the size matter for ext4?
[15:26] <rome> this is so confusing ... :P
[15:26] <rome> apparle size doen't matter at all :P
[15:26] <eagles0513875> apparle: ext4 is supposed to handle drives over 1tb but im starting to think that ext4 on a 2tb hdd might be the issue
[15:26] <Daskreech> Or bluetooth. WHy does bluettoth start when i have no BT hardware
[15:27] <rome> Daskreech i want to know this too
[15:27] <Daskreech> eagles0513875: It's been tested on multiterrabyte drive detups
[15:27] <Daskreech> setups
[15:27] <c3l> shortcuts for applications isnt working. ive set meta+e as shortcut key for dolphin, but when klicking it, nothing happens
[15:27] <James147> rome: it can, when you get up to tb size you can start to encounter problems due to the vast number of address you need for the disk.... I dont know how ext handles large disks though
[15:28] <rome> James147 yeah, this is limited by your bios
[15:29] <James147> rome: no, it its limited by the filesystem
[15:29] <James147> rome: eg fat32 cant handle large drives at all
[15:29] <eagles0513875> Daskreech: ok :) do you have any idea why python 2.6 keeps seg faulting for me http://pastebin.com/3nsCzwYL
[15:29] <eagles0513875> James147: neither can ext3 to a degree
[15:30] <Daskreech> James147: It's limited by your BIOS
[15:30] <rome> James147 agreed
[15:30] <James147> c3l: not sure about the shutcuts set in kmenuedit, but jsut testing the inputactiosn and that works (System settings > input actions)
[15:30] <James147> Daskreech: but much less so then the filesystem right?
[15:31] <rome> *bb*
[15:31] <c3l> James147: oh thats great, thanks for that!
[15:31] <Daskreech> James147: Dependent on how you have it setup but it's still a factor that needs to be checked
[15:33] <FinnArild> ... 10.04 is that the first with kde4?
[15:33] <James147> FinnArild: no, 9.10 had it by default as well
[15:33] <FinnArild> ok
[15:33] <FinnArild> James147: reinstall looking good btw
[15:33] <James147> FinnArild: I think 8.04 was the first to unofically have it
[15:33] <apparle> FinnArild: no 8.10 was official to have it
[15:33] <Matisse> hi
[15:33] <James147> apparle: ^^ as i said, unoffical
[15:34] <_Wise_> James147: I solved my KDE/GTK/qtcurve issue with this package : gtk-chtheme. Thanks for you support
[15:34] <apparle> James147: I said that coz you said 9.10 had it by default which may imply that it was the first version to officially have it.. :D
[15:34] <James147> apparle: think it was 8.04 that had kde3.5 with community supported 4 at lease, but i could be wrong on that :) its been so long since i used either
[15:35] <James147> apparle: was jsut saying that the last version defentlly had it :)
[15:35] <eagles0513875> any ubuntu python gurus in here
[15:36] <FinnArild> James147: but now I have the same bluetooth problems I had 6 months ago - my mouse get's detected, trusted and then just disconnects
[15:36] <FinnArild> and is not trusted ...
[15:36] <Matisse> if i mount my extra harddrive as rw the files and directories is the uppest directory ( /media/mountpoint/ ) are readonly, while the files in directories ( /media/mountpoint/abc/ ) are editable... whats wrong there?
[15:36] <James147> FinnArild: not used bluetooth devices so i am not sure
[15:36] <abdlhafiz> sup guyz
[15:37] <James147> Matisse: are they editable by root? might just be a premissions error
[15:39] <Matisse> James147, i'll have a look
[15:39] <rome> James147 r u an official supporter?
[15:39] <James147> rome: nop, i just have nothing better to do... well thats a lie i should be doing coursework
[15:40] <rome> James147 welcome to my club, me too
[15:40] <FinnArild> James147: nm - seems I managed to install them. Doing a reboot to test ...
[15:40] <Matisse> James147, editable by root, yes
[15:40] <FinnArild> It's a pity the bootloader can't use USB
[15:41] <FinnArild> s/USB/Bluetooth/
[15:41] <James147> Matisse: not sure of the best way to fix it... chown  or chmod ing the mounted directory should work but might raise some securitery conserns
[15:42] <FinnArild> What's the best Spotify client? QSpotify?
[15:42] <James147> !best | FinnArild
[15:43] <Matisse> James147, i see. the not editable are owned by root. thx for help
[15:44] <FinnArild> meh
[15:44] <James147> Matisse: there might be a better way then chown/chmoding but I am not sure of one
[15:44] <James147> Matisse: mount might be able to do it but you will have to look it up
[15:45] <FinnArild> "We don't want to call any which application the "Best" since we don't want to offend anyone who may or not be crappy programmers or UI designers."
[15:45] <rome> Matisse "chmod xyz" x=owner(4) y=group(2) z=all(1)
[15:45] <James147> FinnArild: dont know of any Spotify clients but you should be able to find a few and try them out, settle on the one you like the best
[15:45] <FinnArild> But - since I have worked in Trolltech for 10 years I better use the Qt based one :)
[15:46] <James147> FinnArild: its not that but more that often people have different veiws on what is the best application, eg gnome and kde different ppl prefure different ones...
[15:46] <Matisse> rome, i'll do chown
[15:46] <rome> James147 isn't gnoe a big hairy object?
[15:46] <FinnArild> James147: yes - I should have put a *tongue-in-cheek* after that one
[15:47] <rome> gnome
[15:47] <James147> rome: its a personal matter i prefure kde, but then so do more the poeple in the channel (or they would be in ubuntu :) )
[15:48] <rome> James147 do you know the word "big hairy object" for very large classes in a oopl
[15:49] <James147> rome: I think gnome is mostly writted in c, so I dont think it has many calsses :)
[15:49] <rome> and kde?
[15:49] <rome> c++?
[15:49] <James147> rome: kde is c++ yes
[15:50] <FinnArild> is gnome actually still c ?
[15:50] <James147> FinnArild: As far as I know, but I could be wrong
[15:50] <FinnArild> welcome to 1980 ...
[15:50] <eagles0513875> anyone able to help me figure out why i have programs crashign from gdebi to package installer  and others? http://pastebin.com/3nsCzwYL
[15:51] <UbuntuLily> Is part image the best way to make a full image backup of HD?
[15:52] <apparle> what is the replacement to dcop now
[15:52] <apparle> I mean how to access dbus in scripts
[15:53] <UbuntuLily> Can you Mount an image created in ParttImage?
[15:54] <Torch> apparle: with qdbus
[15:54] <apparle> Torch: do you have any link to tutorial
[15:55] <Torch> apparle: google is your friend
[15:55] <saintly> my synopsis of Kubuntu 10.04: To get it just right, use fresh install! netbook edition is not recommended at least not by me. Please, PLEASE dont just upgrade, if you can help it.
[15:55] <saintly> my Lucid has NO issues now :)
[15:55] <slow-motion> hi
[15:55] <eagles0513875> saintly: im on clean instally yet i have issues with some gui apps
[15:55] <eagles0513875> like gdebi etc
[15:56] <rome> saintly mine either except of some minor
[15:56] <eagles0513875> and others same issue and this back trace http://pastebin.com/3nsCzwYL saintly
[15:56] <Matisse> James147, sudo chown -R username\:users /media/mountpoint/   did work fine
[15:56] <Torch> UbuntuLily: if partimage just write the content of a partition/file system to a file, you can mount that. if it compresses the image or leaves out unused sectors, you cannot mount it. i wouldn't be surprised if partimage had options to set this.
[15:56] <saintly> eagles05138: one sec, ill look into it
[15:56] <saintly> rome: what minor issues are you havin?
[15:57] <eagles0513875> ty saintly
[15:57] <rome> saintly my bootscreen-resolution suxx and i don't know how to deactivate the bluetooth problem at startup
[15:57] <saintly> rome: do you need bluetooth?
[15:57] <rome> bluetooth program
[15:58] <rome> no, i don't even have it in my pc
[15:58] <rome> saintly, do you know, how to deactivate it?
[15:58] <eagles0513875> saintly: just highlight me when you migiht have an idea
[15:58] <saintly> rome: sudo aptitude-get uninstall bluetooth.
[15:58] <saintly> easiest way to shut things down
[15:59] <rome> saintly ahh ok thx!
[15:59] <saintly> eagles05138: will do man lookin thru it now.
[16:00] <saintly> hmm
[16:00] <saintly> !gui
[16:01] <James147> saintly: aptitude-get is not an application, apt-get or aptitude are :)
[16:01] <saintly> oopss hehe
[16:02] <rome> i did it with the KPackageKit
[16:02] <saintly> keep screwin tht up lol, did the same thing the other day.
[16:02] <saintly> rome: as for your choppy bootscreen...
[16:03] <saintly> is it the Kubuntu one with five light under neath?
[16:03] <eagles0513875> saintly: btw you missing the 5 on the end of my nick eagles0513875 hehe
[16:03] <James147> eagles0513875: hehe :)
[16:03] <rome> saintly yes, but the screen resolution is at most 320x200x8 and it isn't even wholly on the screen. looks like no drivers under windos :P
[16:03] <saintly> Eagles0513875: there we go lol. had to drag my seperator bar over to see the rest.
[16:04] <rome> saintly loginin-screen is in 1600x1200x32 again, just as it should
[16:04] <UbuntuLily> Torch: Is tthere a better way to image that can mount without any problems?
[16:04] <James147> saintly: if your using quassel then you can use tab completion on names
[16:04] <James147> saintly: alot of other clients also do that
[16:05] <DarthFrog> Konversation also has tab name complete.
[16:05] <saintly> james147: didnt know that, how do i do that?
[16:05] <James147> saintly: just type part of the name then hit tab
[16:05] <saintly> aha got it.
[16:05] <saintly> James147: :)
[16:05] <James147> saintly: hit it again if there are multiple names with the same start
[16:05] <rome> thx i've just learned something
[16:06] <saintly> lol me too.
[16:06] <DarthFrog> By the way, tab completion also works at the bash command prompt.
[16:06] <rome> DarthFrog: man history
[16:06] <Torch> UbuntuLily: if you just want to create an image of a partition, you can use dd from the shell.
[16:06] <James147> saintly: it saves a lot of key strokes and remember how to spell everyone name :D
[16:07] <DarthFrog> rome: history is different.  Useful but different.
[16:07] <saintly> James147: right lol. i like it already!
[16:07] <Torch> UbuntuLily: or kde partition manager if you want a gui.
[16:07] <James147> DarthFrog: yeah, very very useful :D dont you have it when an applcation dosnt have it :)
[16:07] <rome> DarthFrog: this is history beneath that completion
[16:07] <saintly> alright rome so your sayin that your screen resolution for the login screen is out of whack?
[16:08] <DarthFrog> Bash tab completion fills in the program/file name for you.
[16:08] <James147> DarthFrog: as well as arguments on some programs
[16:08] <rome> saintly: notthe login screen, this is ok, but the boot screen is damaged
[16:08] <DarthFrog> Yep.
[16:08] <rome> saintly: i have proprietary nvidia 96 drivers
[16:09] <rome> saintly: do i need to edit my xorg.conf?
[16:09] <saintly> rome: :D ouch.
[16:09] <saintly> rome: hmm so it wont fit into the screen?
[16:09] <reza> rome: I have the same problem ever since I installed the nvidia driver
[16:09] <reza> I'm not too concerned about it
[16:10] <rome> saintly: my current desktop is AMD Athlon XP 1800+ Palomino, 1,5GB SDRAM, 300GB HDD, nvidia GF 4 Ti 4200 64MB
[16:10] <James147> reza: rome: same problem here, although its not a major consern atm
[16:10] <eagles0513875> saintly: :( this is only getting worse :(
[16:10] <saintly> nice Harddrive
[16:10] <eagles0513875> and im bout to say the hell with it and go back to win 7
[16:10] <reza> yeah, it's just a visual oddity
[16:10] <rome> eagles0513875: whats you problem?
[16:10] <saintly> eagles0513875: have you tried unistalling and reinstalling?
[16:11] <saintly> hes got gui app issues
[16:11] <saintly> !gui
[16:11] <eagles0513875> kates not loading at all via commandline its telling me segementation fault
[16:11] <rome> eagles0513875: gui app issues are no problem :)
[16:11] <DarthFrog> eagles0513875: Use vi.  <grinning, ducking and running>
[16:11] <eagles0513875> rome: its frustrating i have never experienced this before
[16:11] <saintly> reinstall kate. lol
[16:12] <eagles0513875> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5210 package 'apt':
[16:12] <eagles0513875>  `instadl ok installed' is not allowed for first (want) word in `status' field
[16:12] <saintly> LOL DarthFrog
[16:12] <eagles0513875> getting that now :( trying to unclock apt so i can try purge kate and reinstall
[16:12] <DarthFrog> <- loves vi.
[16:12] <alab> hi all, i experience weird problems with kubuntu's 10.4 network manager and wireless connection – the applet states my laptop is connected, the router log states it is connected – _but_ i a not able to ping any IP neither the router nor any domain names will get resolved
[16:12]  * _Wise_ is a vi fan
[16:12] <saintly> alab: whats your wireless card?
[16:13]  * saintly sez "vi FTW"
[16:13] <eagles0513875> how do you do a find on vi
[16:13] <rome> eagles0513875: have you tried reinstalling?
[16:13]  * James147 loves vi as well and likes the fact kate can also have vi input mode :)
[16:13] <saintly> wooot
[16:13] <Torch> eagles0513875: with /
[16:13] <alab> it's a fujitsu siemens esprimo v5505 the driver in use is iwl3945
[16:13] <eagles0513875> rome: i have apt backed up right now tryign to fix somethign else
[16:13] <Torch> eagles0513875: do you have a backtrace of kate crashing?
[16:13] <rome> eagles0513875: cat filename | grep yoursearch
[16:14] <UbuntuLily> Right now I am running Gnome (Ubuntu) in 9.10, I am trying to image my hard drive before i upgrade to Kubuntu 10.04 but need to be able to get files off of it after I do fresh install and am trying to figure out the best waay to accomplish this
[16:14] <eagles0513875> Torch: no i dont as im trying to run it form commandline
[16:14] <eagles0513875> but i bet i could get one in a heart beat
[16:14] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Do you have an external hard drive you could use to backup your current install?
[16:14] <eagles0513875> lol Torch no backtrace its telling me KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kate
[16:14] <saintly> UbuntuLily: so you wanna keep ur files and what not?
[16:15] <alab> saintly :) [17:13:34] <alab> it's a fujitsu siemens esprimo v5505 the driver in use is iwl3945
[16:15] <saintly> UbuntuLily: use the Ubuntu One. its a cloud drive
[16:15] <UbuntuLily> Yes I want to keep my files.  I have an external HD I was going to image to
[16:15] <UbuntuLily> I have about 200GB
[16:15] <saintly> hmm.
[16:15] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Are you talking about files in your home directory?  Only files there?
[16:15] <eagles0513875> Torch: how can i unblock apt im using sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a but its complaining about those 2 lines i pasted above
[16:16] <UbuntuLily> I would prefer to image the entire partition that way if somethign goes horribly wrong I can always roll back
[16:16] <saintly> alab: and do you know if that wifi card is supported?
[16:16] <eagles0513875> DarthFrog: wouldnt dd do the trick for what shes doing
[16:16] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Yes, good idea.  But the files you want to recover, are they all in your home directory?
[16:16] <DarthFrog> eagles0513875: Not needed.
[16:16] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:17] <alab> saintly: it was working with 8.10 and wicd
[16:17] <Torch> eagles0513875: that error message suggests something is terribly broken
[16:17] <eagles0513875> Torch:  :(
[16:17] <UbuntuLily> I am a recent convert from Windows.  Whenever I would upgrade I would image my hard drive using Acronis.  Than I would instlal my new os, than I would mount acronis image and copy my files back than ultimately delete the image
[16:17] <saintly> James147: how do you determine if a wirelss card is supported again?
[16:17] <eagles0513875> i think using a bootable usb it was having some trouble copying some files :(
[16:17] <James147> saintly: google it?
[16:17] <UbuntuLily> I am looking for a way to do this in Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[16:17] <macdo> My network manager applet tells me that there is no managed connection - and I do not have any access to the network (Cable unplugged icon). No hardware problem: I'm typing now from a live CD on the same system. Any ideas?
[16:17] <saintly> alab:  mine is broadcom, was supported in 9.10 but went to proprietary in 10.04
[16:17] <eagles0513875> Torch: what do you recommend when it popped up the abort retry i hit retry and it copied them
[16:17] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Well, if you want to do it that way, you can.
[16:18] <Torch> eagles0513875: i don't understand the question
[16:18] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: as eagles0513875 pointed out, you can use "dd".
[16:18] <eagles0513875> Torch: what do you recommend reinstalling even though this a clean install already
[16:18] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: But that's not the way I'd do it.
[16:18] <UbuntuLily> And I will be able to mount that?
[16:18] <saintly> macdo: look up Hardware drivers in "alt+f2
[16:18] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Yes.
[16:18] <alab> saintly bad news, k will search for thwe wifi module then, it is Intel Corp 3945AGB
[16:19] <Torch> eagles0513875: if you have broken entries in /var/lib/dpkg/status your system is really broken, i think
[16:19] <UbuntuLily> You would suggest what?  Just backing up my Home folder?
[16:19] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Do you have a partition/hard drive with enough space to hold your current system?
[16:19] <saintly> alab: its proprietary right?
[16:19] <UbuntuLily> Ya, got a 2 TB removable disk
[16:19] <eagles0513875> saintly: any suggestions on what i should do :(
[16:19] <UbuntuLily> USB Hard drive rather
[16:19] <saintly> eagles0513875: whats ur issue?
[16:20] <eagles0513875> what i linked u earlier
[16:20] <saintly> UbuntuLily: WOW what a disk..
[16:20] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Well, I'd copy over the entire current installation to that removable drive, make it bootable.
[16:20] <alab> saintly: just found a link this moment, had not installed something proprietary i guess, but its been a while and way working all the years
[16:20] <eagles0513875> and besides that i was trying to install kdevelop and now basically im locked out of apt
[16:20] <alab> s/y/s
[16:20] <eagles0513875> saintly:
[16:20] <eagles0513875> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:20] <UbuntuLily> ;) Technology.  I remember paying $100 for a used 50MB hard drive
[16:20] <eagles0513875> not that
[16:20] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Then if the new install screws up, you still have your current install working.
[16:20] <eagles0513875> saintly:
[16:20] <eagles0513875> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1259 package 'libisccfg60':
[16:20] <eagles0513875>  `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `libcap2'
[16:20] <FloodBotK1> eagles0513875: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:20] <macdo> saintly: thanks. What am I looking for (this is the first time there has been a problem, and I've been using Lucid for a few weeks).
[16:20] <saintly> eagles0513875:  yeah im muddling through it right now, again i think you should attempt to uninstall and reinstall.
[16:21] <eagles0513875> well atm i cant as apt is locked
[16:21] <eagles0513875> as i was trying to install another program
[16:21] <UbuntuLily> DD can create an image FILE though?  Because I have documents, etc on that drive also I don't want to delete them
[16:21] <saintly> eagles0513875: wow lol. umm your on 10.04 right?
[16:21] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: dd will indeed create an image file.
[16:21] <eagles0513875> saintly: yes
[16:22] <eagles0513875> saintly: 64bit with a 2tb hdd and ext4
[16:22] <saintly> macdo: anytime man.
[16:23] <eagles0513875> saintly: ill brb i wanna try something crazy
[16:23] <saintly> eagles0513875: and i assume you still have your live CD? i would suggest a fresh install, if at all possible. i personally dont know how to get out of an apt lock.
[16:23] <alab> saintly: no it's not proprietary and seems to be included in kernel since 2.6.24 http://intellinuxwireless.org/
[16:23] <UbuntuLily>  dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/home/sam/partition.image bs=4096 conv=noerror  look like the command I want to run?
[16:23] <UbuntuLily> And I do that from the live Disk right?
[16:24] <saintly> and ur sure its being identified? your install MIGHT have missed it in the update, i know mine did when i switched to 9.10
[16:24] <saintly> alab: ^^
[16:24] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You don't have to reboot.
[16:25] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You can do it from your current running system.
[16:25] <UbuntuLily> Really?  I had asked someone else they told me I had to do it from the live disk.
[16:25] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Is /home/sam on /dev/sdb2?
[16:25] <alab> saintly: yes lspci states that
[16:25] <eagles0513875> saintly: back :( and that didnt work
[16:26] <UbuntuLily> Actually I think my disk is /dev/sda1
[16:26] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: I suggest you make sure. :-)
[16:26] <saintly> !wireless
[16:26] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  the "mount" command will tell you.
[16:26] <saintly> check that alab
[16:26] <alab> many thanks
[16:26] <UbuntuLily> ItIn GParted it says /dev/sda1 = EXT4 270GB
[16:27] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Where is /home/sam?
[16:27] <UbuntuLily>  /dev/sda2 = EXtended 20GB
[16:27] <saintly> eagles0513875: did you see what i wrote about fresh install? thats my suggestion
[16:27] <eagles0513875> saintly: :( ok
[16:27] <UbuntuLily> How do I figure that out?
[16:27] <macdo> eagles0513875: /var/lib/dpkg/lock?  If I remember rightly, if you run sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock, that should remove the apt lock. I take it that you have already tried rebooting.
[16:27] <UbuntuLily> I am 99% sure its on the one partition
[16:28] <eagles0513875> macdo: yes i did try rebooting also wont i screw up dpkg that way
[16:28] <vistakiller> can i encrypt file in kubuntu with right click?
[16:28] <FinnArild> ... where can I mount disk stuff in Kubuntu 10.04 ? I can't find the tool in system settings to fix this. Has it moved?
[16:28]  * James147 just found the "yes" command by accdent :S
[16:28] <saintly> macdo: ty lol i learnd somethin new today lol
[16:28] <eagles0513875> macdo: still gives me same error
[16:28] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You could also make a tarball of your system (i.e. somewhat like a zip file).
[16:29] <saintly> James147: the....what?
[16:29] <UbuntuLily> Is that mountable/restorable?
[16:29] <James147> saintly: "yes - output a string repeatedly until killed" << not entirly sure what that can be useful for though
[16:29] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Well, you would untar it and all  your files would be there.
[16:30] <saintly> James147: hmm. lol useful for spamming. :S
[16:30] <johnvand> just in case I am in the wrong place, can I get support from this site?
[16:30] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  If you use a LiveCD, it won't know anything about /home/sam.
[16:30] <macdo> eagles0513875: you still can't uninstall/reinstall because apt is locked?
[16:30] <Torch> James147: as input for scripts that need user interaction
[16:30] <saintly> johnvand: what here her for ;)
[16:30] <James147> Torch: :)
[16:30] <johnvand> support on 10.4
[16:30] <saintly> john
[16:30] <saintly> johnvand: yes
[16:31] <UbuntuLily> I only plan on keeping the files for a day or two, I would rather have an easy transition BACK if things fail.  If DD Will image the entire partition than if things fail I can restore, it seems like my best solution
[16:31] <johnvand> excellent - does anyone know how to have your windows reopen in the same size and position as they did before?
[16:31] <FinnArild> ... so - no way to mount a partition in KDE?
[16:31] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  cd <removable drive>, tar cvf / backup.tar
[16:32] <saintly> johnvand: do you know how to reach systm settings?
[16:32] <johnvand> yes
[16:32] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: dd will indeed make your desired image file.
[16:32] <James147> UbuntuLily: dont see why tar/untaring would be anymore dificult then creating an image
[16:32] <saintly> shoud be a windows activity tab in there.
[16:32] <johnvand> not seeing it
[16:32] <UbuntuLily> the CD command you just gave, that will create basically a TAR file of all my files, but not a restorable image of the partition is that correct?
[16:32] <saintly> hmm\
[16:33] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  sudo mount -o loop <image file> <mount point>    will mount an image file for reading.
[16:33] <Torch> UbuntuLily: linux is not windows. it's just a bunch of files, really. if you tar a system up and untar it again, it will still work.
[16:33] <UbuntuLily> That will mount the image from DD or the image from TAR?
[16:33] <johnvand> saintly - step by step??
[16:33] <UbuntuLily> Ohhh...  That explains alot
[16:33] <Torch> UbuntuLily: tar creates an archive (just like a zip file), not an image.
[16:33] <macdo> FinnArild: You're looking for a mounted hard drive?
[16:34] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: cd means "change directory".  the tar command will make a tarball, i.e. a copy of your files all in one big file.
[16:34] <FinnArild> macdo: I have a ntfs partition on the machine and I want to mount it on startup. From KDE. Using the mouse. Please.
[16:34] <UbuntuLily> Thank you torch, I am sure you can understand my post-tramatic stress from previous windows upgrades
[16:35] <saintly> johnvand: Settings> System Settings> Window Behavior
[16:35] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: it's much simpler & easier in Linux.
[16:35] <UbuntuLily> So I am learning
[16:35] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: If you make a copy of your current system to a new partition, edit the /etc/fstab file, the copy will be bootable.
[16:35] <UbuntuLily> Its funny though because I am (was) a pro in Windows, and so when I have to get help doing something as mundane as making an image, I get nervous
[16:36] <saintly> UbuntuLily: LOL
[16:36] <johnvand> saintly:where r u seeing settings?
[16:37] <saintly> johnvand: what type of 10.04 are you running? Netbook, Desk top?
[16:37] <UbuntuLily> Well just for my peace of mind this once I think I will go the DD route and waste my time, but lesson learned for next time.  Any good tutorials out there you can recommend for learning the terminal commands and such?
[16:37] <James147> DarthFrog: would you need to reinstall grub at all?
[16:37] <johnvand> desktop
[16:37] <macdo> FinnArild: can we do a bit of mouse and a bit of terminal? I just need you to type one thing in the terminal - nothing hard!
[16:37] <DarthFrog> James147: Depends upon whether it's GRUB 1 or 2.
[16:37] <saintly> johnvand: hit alt+f2, and in the box that pops up type in "system settings"
[16:38] <FinnArild> macdo: fine by me. ... I used to have that stuff in /etc/fstab, but now that's gone.
[16:38] <Torch> saintly: it's one word
[16:38] <saintly> Torch: ?
[16:38] <Torch> saintly: systemsettings
[16:38] <FinnArild> macdo: so any way I can mount /dev/sd3 to /media/ will be fine ...
[16:38] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Suggestion - when you do the new install, have a separate /home partition from the / partition.
[16:39] <saintly> Torch: seperated as two words for me.
[16:39] <macdo> FinnArild: it's a partition on an internal HD; right?
[16:39] <johnvand> saintly - not happening
[16:39] <FinnArild> macdo: yes
[16:39] <UbuntuLily> I will.  Another thing I was nervous about doing.  Im not used to being able to mount a disk in a folder.  lol
[16:39] <saintly> what happend when you hit alt+f2 johnvand
[16:40] <FinnArild> macdo: and /etc/fstab.hd says "Ignore this file" ... but nothing about what to use now ... :/
[16:40] <Torch> saintly: yeah, the menu entry is two words, the app is one word. thus, your suggestion works in the krunner (it also searches menu entries), but would not work in a shell.
[16:40] <UbuntuLily> Will it give me that option when I do my fresh install?
[16:40] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: in Linux (Unix), everything (except network interfaces) is a file.  Everything.
[16:40] <johnvand> saintly - run application window appeared
[16:40] <macdo> FinnArild: if you go into a terminal and type mount, what comes up?
[16:40] <James147> UbuntuLily: it wont by default but you can edit the partitions manually
[16:40] <saintly> Torch: true.
[16:40] <UbuntuLily> Gotcha
[16:40] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You can do the manual partition specification.
[16:40] <saintly> johnvand: do you know where your kickoff app launcher is?
[16:41] <FinnArild> macdo: some lines - some of them about automount. Is that the New Way(tm) of mounting stuff?
[16:41] <johnvand> saintly - no
[16:41] <saintly> johnvand: its the blue square with a K in the middle.
[16:41] <James147> UbuntuLily: you should need more tehn about 20 gigs for / (unless your putting lots of files in /var or /opt or something like that)
[16:41] <macdo> FinnArild: it should just list what's already mounted
[16:41] <macdo> can you paste it?
[16:41] <FinnArild> macdo: yes - my ntfs disk is not mounted - hang on ...
[16:42] <FinnArild> macdo: http://pastebin.com/sASMCUPa
[16:42] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  As you've no doubt noticed, with Linux, you're not in Kansas anymore. :-)
[16:42] <johnvand> saintly - where am I lloking for this?
[16:42] <saintly> johnvand: find it
[16:42] <FinnArild> DarthFrog: ... no you're in Space, where noone can hear you scream ;)
[16:43] <saintly> johnvand: on the status bar, bottom left corner
[16:43] <DarthFrog> FinnArild: :-)
[16:43] <johnvand> saintly - sorry - it's not there
[16:43] <saintly> wow
[16:43] <saintly> where do you reach internet and your files??
[16:45] <johnvand> saintly - firefox and on-screen icons for my drives
[16:45] <StevenR> Hi. how do I stop kmail checking every imap folder when it checks for new mail? I only want it to check my inbox when I hit check mail and when it starts up
[16:46] <macdo> FinnArild: I assume that you *can* mount your hd manually.
[16:46] <FinnArild> So - people - fstab is obviously out of Kubuntu 10.04 - what if I want to mount it on startup now?
[16:46] <FinnArild> macdo: obviously. I need to figure out what replaced fstab
[16:47] <UbuntuLily> Ack
[16:47] <James147> FinnArild: it has?
[16:47]  * James147 goes to check his fstab
[16:47] <DarthFrog> ??  fstab is there.
[16:47] <Torch> FinnArild: that sounds very unlikely to me (not running 10.04 yet)
[16:47] <UbuntuLily> One more question:  Is DD going to have a file size limit?  because this is going to make one 270GB file isn't it
[16:47] <FinnArild> DarthFrog: it's not here
[16:47] <Torch> UbuntuLily: not a problem
[16:48] <DarthFrog> FinnArild: Don't know why you don't have it.
[16:48] <FinnArild> DarthFrog: it's a clean kubuntu 10.04 install
[16:48] <macdo> FinnArild: I have an fstab...
[16:48] <voicu> how can i make kubuntu mount my drives at startup and not ask for the password at each logon?
[16:48] <FinnArild> DarthFrog: and /etc/fstab.hd is the only thing there, which says "DONT USE ME"
[16:48] <voicu> except for the obvious by changing /etc/fstab
[16:49] <DarthFrog> FinnArild: Weird.
[16:49] <UbuntuLily> Okay!  Here goes!
[16:49] <UbuntuLily> Thanx!
[16:49] <DarthFrog> voicu: Add the drives to /etc/fstab and use systemsettings to autologin.
[16:50] <James147> FinnArild: hmm, i have a fstab that seems to be working the way it use to
[16:50] <voicu> DarthFrog: I thought this stuff was made automatically by now :P
[16:50] <FinnArild> James147: ... so why don't I have an fstab?
[16:50] <James147> FinnArild: I hae no clue
[16:51] <DarthFrog> voicu: It would have been if you had told the installer where to mount the drives/partitions during the install.
[16:51] <FinnArild> or
[16:51] <UbuntuLily> I now I know why you kept asking about the sam folder, I typed the command wrong,   dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1/partition.image bs=4096 conv=noerror
[16:51] <FinnArild> possibly because I'm not root?
[16:51] <voicu> DarthFrog: ok, but is there no GUI config for this? What if I add another HDD to the pc?
[16:52] <macdo> FinnArild: Have you tried System Settings -> Advanced -> Removable devices?
[16:52] <macdo> FinnArild: (Just in case...)
[16:52] <FinnArild> macdo: yes - that won't let me mount them where I want
[16:52] <DarthFrog> voicu:  Well, you could use gparted to partition the new drive.
[16:52] <FinnArild> yes, I'm a picky bastard :)
[16:53] <alab> saintly: once i could fix things by editing the config files for the application under /etc, nowadays with dbus i do not even find which app is causing trouble, neverless where do i find the configuration for network-manager-kde, or at least a documentation like the man pages?
[16:53] <James147> FinnArild: you could try creating /etc/fstab and configuring it your self
[16:53] <FinnArild> actually
[16:53] <voicu> DarthFrog: yeah, but I'm talking about the system automatically mounting a drive. Something which should be done on any OS
[16:53] <FinnArild> I can try let system settings mount the file where he wants ...
[16:53] <voicu> I don't mind editing /etc/fstab but others would see this as stupid and annoying
[16:53] <macdo> FinnArild: Symbolic link from where you want it to where it is? :p
[16:54] <DarthFrog> voicu: It's not a mind reader, it doesn't know where you want it mounted.
[16:54] <Torch> voicu: you can use kde partition manager to set up the drive. the next version (not part of 10.04) will also allow you to edit mount points
[16:55] <James147> voicu: i like it not auto mounting 'everything' as i dont want my win7 partition mounted at all
[16:55] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: of=/dev/sdb1/partition.image will not work.
[16:56] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: partition.image will be a file and needs to go on a file system, not a device.
[16:56] <voicu> DarthFrog: well it already appears in dolphin, why shouldn't I be able to just click it and the system mount it in /media for example and let me use it without asking for the root pass
[16:56] <James147> voicu: I sware it use to do that
[16:56] <James147> voicu: not sure what changed in lucid though
[16:57] <macdo> FinnArild: I've just been checking a forum or two, and it seems there were a couple of bugs re automounting. Have you updated your system recently?
[16:57] <DarthFrog> voicu: How does it appear in Dolphin?  What happens when you click on it?
[16:57] <xenthral> how can I (fully?) upgrade from the beta?
[16:57] <DarthFrog> xenthral:  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:57] <voicu> DarthFrog, james147: all the drives appear as "removable media" and when i try to mount them i get the kdesu interface
[16:57] <voicu> i selected them in systemsettings for automounting but i get kdesu for each one at logon
[16:58] <DarthFrog> voicu: You're trying to do something that requires root privileges.
[16:58] <xenthral> DarthFrog: doesn't really do anything - I'm concerned because the bootup screen is still ubuntu's here
[16:58] <FinnArild> macdo: I managed to mount it now - thanks.
[16:58] <James147> DarthFrog: i sware that kubuntu use to do that with out the root password though...
[16:58] <James147> DarthFrog: on karmic at least
[16:59] <FinnArild> macdo: actually - clicking "removable devices" didn't occur to me - since the disk is anything but.
[16:59] <DarthFrog> xenthral: Did  you install the Ubuntu beta or the Kubuntu beta?
[16:59] <voicu> DarthFrog: technically yeah but I thought there was a way to configure KDE to automount the drives without needing me to input the pass
[16:59] <voicu> just like I can reboot without a root pass
[16:59] <DarthFrog> voicu: Don't know.  I do all that stuff from the command line. :-)
[16:59] <macdo> FinnArild: I'm running on a Live CD at the mo and all my disks are there - 1.5 T of not very removable removable media :p
[16:59] <xenthral> kubuntu beta
[17:00] <anders___> Hi. I can't login after upgrade - kdm/xorg crashes after i enter my password and press enter. /var/log/kdm says "can not get ibus-daemon's address"
[17:00] <xenthral> rather I upgraded from a kubuntu to the kubuntu beta
[17:00] <DarthFrog> James147: I assume you're aware that there is no root password in Kubuntu?
[17:00] <James147> voicu: DarthFrog: yeah, i can still mount usb drives ithout root, just not internal ones
[17:00] <xenthral> 9.10 -> beta 10.04
[17:00] <DarthFrog> xenthral: so how did you wind up with the Ubuntu splashscreen in the first place?
[17:01] <James147> DarthFrog: I am, but that dosnt mean that you can run commands under root without a password
[17:01] <xenthral> kubuntu beta had it
[17:01] <macdo> voicu: Have you tried System Settings -> Advanced -> Removable devices?
[17:01] <voicu> macdo: yes, that's how i get the 5 kdesu's at logon :P
[17:01] <James147> DarthFrog: its more a kdm/kde thing where kde can ask kdm to doo some stuff as root (like shutdown)
[17:01] <DarthFrog> James147: Not really,  sudo or kdesu gives you root priviliges.  You still have to supply a password to gain those privileges.
[17:01] <voicu> james147: exactly, it should work like that
[17:02] <James147> DarthFrog: eg, the shutdown shorcuts disapear if you run kde from commandline without kdm
[17:02] <James147> DarthFrog: thats what I mean...
[17:02] <UbuntuLily> Ahhhh,   dd if=/dev/sda1 of="/media/My Book/partition.image" bs=4096 conv=noerror
[17:02] <xenthral> oh well, not really that important, all the packages seem to be latest, no weird bugs I can spot
[17:03] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: That should work.
[17:03] <xenthral> thanks for the help anyways DarthFrog :)
[17:03] <voicu> what's a command for finding info about drives
[17:03] <voicu> ?
[17:03] <James147> voicu: do you need a password to mount removable media, or jsut internal devices
[17:03] <DarthFrog> xenthral: you're welcome.
[17:03] <DarthFrog> voicu: what do you want to know?
[17:03] <voicu> James147: just internal ones
[17:03] <voicu> DarthFrog: the label would be enough :)
[17:03] <voicu> so I know which goes where
[17:04] <Torch> voicu: blkid or vol_id
[17:04] <DarthFrog> not blkid and vol_id isn't installed.
[17:04] <voicu> ye
[17:04] <voicu> :P
[17:05] <DarthFrog> sudo cfdisk /dev/sd<whatever>
[17:05] <James147> DarthFrog: blkid will list all harddrives with their name and uuid
[17:06] <Torch> DarthFrog: it's part of util-linux, you should really have that
[17:06] <James147> Torch: dont ahve vol_id either :S
[17:06] <Torch> James147: that's being phased out anyway, so no surprise
[17:07] <voicu> hmm, cfdisk doesn't show me the labels properly?
[17:07] <DarthFrog> name and uuid isn't the lable.
[17:07] <DarthFrog> label
[17:07] <Torch> voicu: it can't.
[17:07] <voicu> there was a simpler command but I keep forgeting it
[17:07] <James147> DarthFrog: I mean label -- "/dev/sda1: LABEL="data" UUID="....."" << it does list them
[17:08] <Torch> voicu: volume labels are a property of the file system. (c)fdisk doesn't deal with file systems.
[17:08] <voicu> well how do I see them?
[17:08] <voicu> dolphin can without even having root access :P
[17:09] <Torch> voicu: still with blkid
[17:09] <DarthFrog> James147: Well, I guess I don't have my partitions labelled. :-)
[17:09] <James147> DarthFrog: :-)
[17:10] <voicu> Torch: but it lists drives already mounted, I need to see them while unmounted
[17:10] <Torch> voicu: give it the device path you're interested in, that should work even if not mounted
[17:11] <DarthFrog> voicu: It should work with unmounted drives.
[17:11] <James147> voicu: sudo blkid -c /dev/null    that will update it and list all devices
[17:11] <voicu> oh
[17:11] <voicu> now it works, thanks
[17:11] <voicu> geez
[17:12] <James147> it works with a cashe so wont always report the current state the above will refresh it :)
[17:12] <voicu> btw, is NTFS writing support safe now? :D
[17:12] <DarthFrog> James147: It's a poor day when I don't learn something new.  Thank you for that.
[17:12] <DarthFrog> :-)
[17:12] <ADC> hey
[17:12] <DarthFrog> voicu: Yes.
[17:13] <James147> voicu: for your information: you can use ntfs-config to create fstab entries for ntfs drives with ease :)
[17:14] <voicu> haha
[17:14] <voicu> well it's kinda too late now :P
[17:14] <James147> voicu: :D
[17:15]  * James147 hates eclipses colouing scheme
[17:15] <markit> hi, I've seen a screencast recorded with "recordmydesktop" where the speaker sometime zooms to make menu selection more easy to read, then zooms back. Is it a feature of KDE? Or do you think is a "post production" feature, maybe made with kdenlive? (if so, what?)
[17:16] <James147> markit: there is a zoom effect for kwin, but my guess is post production
[17:17] <voicu> gah, stupid command history
[17:17] <voicu> i hit "sudo reboot" by mistake
[17:17] <James147> voicu: :S
[17:18] <voicu> btw, isn't there a gnome gui for this? ubuntu stuff is more user friendly usually?
[17:19] <Torch> voicu: for what? accidental reboots? ;-)
[17:20] <voicu> hehe
[17:20] <James147> voicu: gnome tends to get more support in ubuntu :(  but kde is evolving rapidly and new dialogs are apearing all the time.
[17:20] <markit> James147: ok, I'll try on a virtual machine first, lol
[17:20] <James147> voicu: I mihg tbe tempted to write something this summer when I have more time :S
[17:20] <voicu> i know, i always thought kde shouldn't have been the default wm for ubuntu :(
[17:20] <voicu> james147: maybe i'd like to help :D
[17:21] <Torch> voicu: that was a serious question though... what gui are you missing?
[17:21] <James147> voicu: ?? kde isent the default "wm" for ubuntu
[17:21] <markit> btw, I would like to simply cange the image of the spalsh screed used during boot. Seems that is very complicated, requiring the assembly of multiple files. Am I wrong? Is there a program that can help?
[17:21] <voicu> torch: a GUI that edits /etc/fstab
[17:21] <DarthFrog> !splash
[17:21] <voicu> torch: and/or detects new drives and asks if you want to have them mounted at startup
[17:22] <markit> DarthFrog: not to change, to modify
[17:22] <markit> DarthFrog: I want to "create" my own, with a different background image
[17:22] <Gh0st> hi
[17:22] <DarthFrog> !usplash
[17:23] <James147> voicu: although my that time the device manager might have evolved abit and work more like expected
[17:23] <voicu> james147: well it's not, isn't it? gnome is given the most attention while kubuntu always tends to look like 'that second project'
[17:23] <Torch> voicu: like i said before, the next kde partition manager version will have all that. looks like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/m-I8eY.html
[17:23] <markit> DarthFrog: thanks, is the documentation I was referring to... too complicated. I just asked if, for just change the background image, ther is a faster / streightforward way
[17:23] <DarthFrog> voicu: That's because it is.
[17:23] <markit> but seems there is not :)
[17:24] <DarthFrog> markit: I know not.  The bot knows all. :-)
[17:24] <anil> Hi
[17:24] <voicu> DarthFrog: yeah and my point was that I would have liked it if kubuntu was the main project
[17:24] <macdo> voicu: I see what you mean, now that I have got *my* system back rather than a Live CD. You haven't found a solution, have you?
[17:24] <voicu> DarthFrog: if the same amount of work would go into KDE it would be a lot better than gnome is
[17:25] <voicu> macdo: well i edited /etc/fstab but it's not the solution i really wanted
[17:25] <DarthFrog> voicu: Kubuntu is somewhat the red-headed step-child of Ubuntu.  There is a rebellion brewing amongst the Kubuntu developers against this.
[17:25] <voicu> hehe
[17:25] <voicu> i wonder why
[17:26] <DarthFrog> voicu: And KDE is a lot better than GNOME, IMNSOHO. :-)
[17:27] <DarthFrog> GNOME: "I'm sorry Dave, I can't allow you to do that"  KDE: "How do you want to do it, boss?"
[17:28] <voicu> DarthFrog: did I ever state otherwise? ;)) It's just that there are many kinks that still need working and it would be great if it would get the same attention gnome gets
[17:30] <voicu> of course, there are things that are not really kde's problem...
[17:30] <voicu> for example it took me the whole day to make X span accross both monitors properly
[17:32] <oxymoron> WHere can I found that freaking ugly Kmix icon in systray plasmoid? I want to remove it and replace it? :P
[17:33] <oxymoron> I have searched with "locate kmix" but cant find it anywhere in icons folders.
[17:33] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Click on the cashew on the right hand side of the panel.
[17:34] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Yeah?
[17:34] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Hmm, it doesn't seem to be there.  I thought it was.
[17:35] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Aha, found it.
[17:35] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Nice, where? :)
[17:35] <DarthFrog> Open the mixer window and choose "Settings"
[17:35] <James147> oxymoron: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kmix.png   (change 32x32 with the resalution you want to change)
[17:35] <fabio_> hi all... someone can redirect me to a channel for kdevelop newbies?
[17:36] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Then choose "Configure KMix".
[17:36] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Which mixer window
[17:36] <markit> mmm zoom the deskto whould have Meta+ as shortcut, but seems not to work. In the desktop effects is enabled... what can be wrong?
[17:36] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: the KMix mixer window.
[17:36] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Yes?
[17:36] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: you can do that by right-clicking on the systray icon.
[17:37] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Cannot change icon there? :P
[17:37] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Ah.  I thought you wanted to remove the icon.
[17:37] <James147> oxymoron: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kmix.png   << looks like its there
[17:37] <fabio_> there is a IRC channel for kdevelop? How can I search?
[17:37] <markit> my foult, was "meta=" but does not work either
[17:37] <James147> fabio_: try #kdevelop  :)
[17:37] <oxymoron> James147: Hmm I looked in that folder, maybe I forgot check 32x32 then :P
[17:38] <fabio_> thankyou
[17:39] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: I think you'll have to edit the icon itself.  Check out /usr/share/kde4/apps/kmix/pics/kmixdocked.png
[17:39] <oxymoron> James147: Then I cannot understand why its so hard to just place ALL icons in one place :S Every system part have different paths in home folder /usr/share and god know what.
[17:39] <oxymoron> James147: And what about this freaking pixmap folder where Firefox stores their icon? :D It took me ages to find out and then remove it to replace it in Cairo Dock with my own :D
[17:40] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Idont need to edit, I already have one :P
[17:40] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: I just dont understand, Kickoff menu shows one icon and systray another :D
[17:40] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: then replace the default one with yours. :-)
[17:40] <Torch> DarthFrog: what kickoff shows is determined by the .desktop file
[17:40] <oxymoron> And then taskbar shows another icon as well for Kmix :D
[17:40] <Torch> DarthFrog: what you see in the systray is set from within the app
[17:40] <James147> oxymoron: icons are stored in /home so taht suers can change their icons without needed root, they are stored in /usr so that users cant edit them without root :)
[17:41] <Ageofdarks> hi all
[17:41] <DarthFrog> Torch: Thanks, but I wasn't the one asking. :-)
[17:41] <Torch> DarthFrog: oops, sorry ;-)
[17:41] <c4rl> Hi. I'm new to KDE and I have a question about window-resizing. In Gnome, the default settings is alt+middle button
[17:41] <oxymoron> James147: Yes, but there is /usr/share/icons, /usr/share/pixmap, /usr/share/app-install/icons, WHY ON EARTH is nto ALL icons stored in /usr/share/icons ?
[17:41] <c4rl> how do I go about that in KDE?
[17:41] <Torch> c4rl: alt+right button ;-)
[17:42] <c4rl> Torch, thanks. Is there a place I can configure these settings?
[17:42] <James147> oxymoron: its different development groups anoyingly use different locations :(
[17:42] <c4rl> or at least other similar thing..
[17:42] <Torch> c4rl: system settings -> window behaviour
[17:42] <c4rl> wow, great! thanks Torch
[17:42] <oxymoron> James147: Btw " /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kmix.png   << looks like its there" is not the one I want to remove/repalce :P I check DarthFrog as well.
[17:43] <oxymoron> James147: Yes, and that sucks. Then they store a lot of icons the desktop dont even use at all, why? :D
[17:43] <oxymoron> James147: I WANT all icons to be overwritten with my ~/.kde/share/icons folder, but all parts on the desktop uses different locations :D
[17:44] <oxymoron> James147: There is a reason I choose a icon theme, its because I dont want the ugly ones from default xD
[17:44] <oxymoron> Even if I change icon theme, it doesnt replace icons everywhere even though it SHOULD :D
[17:45] <James147> oxymoron: try in /usr/share/kde4/apps/kmix/pics/   i see lot of mixer*.png icons that mihgt be of intrest
[17:45] <James147> oxymoron: the problem with the icon theme is the theme developer will make icons for his system, but might be missing some on yours.... so the system will use the default ones for the missing ones
[17:46] <oxymoron> James147: I see them in there, but none of them is the one in the systray plasmoid :D
[17:46] <James147> oxymoron: its very hard to make an icon theme for every single application out there :(
[17:47] <oxymoron> James147: No, not in this case, there is one for Firefox and Kmix, but system still use the default ones :P
[17:47] <oxymoron> James147: The problem is priority of icon paths for different icons in different parts on the desktop. App launcher uses one path, task panel one path and systray one and so on xD
[17:48] <James147> oxymoron: /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/status/audio-volume-muted.png :D
[17:48] <oxymoron> James147: I got different icons everyehwere for same application. Kmix uses like 5 different icons from 5 different places depending on where the icon is :P
[17:49] <oxymoron> James147: Oh yeah, there it is /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/status/audio-volume-high.png :D
[17:50] <oxymoron> James147: Is it possible to make my ~/.kde/share/icons/Crystal_project overwrite EVERYTHING on system, its hould ALWAYS be priority no1 and if misses an icon, then the system can use their ugly icon set :D
[17:51] <James147> oxymoron: I assumed that setting it on System settings > appearence > icons would do that
[17:51] <oxymoron> James147: Yeah so did I, but it doesnt :(
[17:52] <James147> oxymoron: (at least that worked for my bespin theme)
[17:52]  * BluesKaj wonders if an eye candy chat is in order
[17:52] <BluesKaj> like themes-icons or some such
[17:52] <oxymoron> James147: Can I remove /usr/share/icons/oxygen safely? :P
[17:52] <James147> oxymoron: I have no idea
[17:54] <oxymoron> James147: It seems like oxygen icon theme have highest priority before my current icon theme :S
[17:55] <James147> oxymoron: ... looking at the index.theme file inside the theme folder it contains the line "Inherits=hicolor" suggesting there is a hirearchy of themes :S
[17:56] <oxymoron> James147: Interesting, when moved/renamed oxygen icon folder I got white areas on a lot of places xD
[17:57] <ForgeAus> iKandy can be fun :)
[17:58] <voicu> what's the kde program to add and remove programs?
[17:58] <oxymoron> James147: Which index.them file? :P
[17:58] <James147> voicu: kpackgekit
[17:59] <James147> oxymoron: its located in the root of oxygen theme (and other themes i looked at)
[17:59] <James147> voicu: sorry, kpackagekit  :)
[18:00] <voicu> james147: there was a simpler one that listed applications, not packages
[18:00] <oxymoron> James147: What does Inherits highcolor mean in the end? :P
[18:01] <ForgeAus> theming for KDE4 is easy many kdelook.org themes are accessible by clicking "Get more themes" where you mod that aspect
[18:01] <ForgeAus> from desktop wallpapers to plasma applets
[18:01] <ForgeAus> hmm Lancelot is kewl :) finally got to use it!
[18:01] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Yes I know. thanks though ;)
[18:02] <James147> voicu: they all list "packages" as far as i know :S
[18:02] <ForgeAus> a little too vista-like but other than that, nice enough
[18:03] <voicu> James147: nah, there was one that was named "add/remove applications" and only showed a selection of apps
[18:03] <James147> voicu: is there somehting spicific you are searching for?
[18:03] <oxymoron> I guess I have to wait for KDE 4.5 and Kubuntu 10.10 *sigh* before I can get a stable and perfect polished system.
[18:03] <James147> voicu: might be a gnome thing...
[18:03] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: You have a stable system now.  Nothing is ever perfect. :-)
[18:03] <marc-andre> oxymoron: that's why i'm seriously looking at ubuntu
[18:04] <oxymoron> Nouveau isnt finished until then and nvidia-current isnt working as it should xD
[18:04] <voicu> james147: yeh, i'll as in #ubuntu
[18:04] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Why so? :)
[18:04] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Because its not polished enough, or what kind of factors?
[18:04] <ForgeAus> oxymoron: what is a perfect system?
[18:04] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Its not stable, some important things doesnt work.
[18:04] <marc-andre> oxymoron: 'cause it doesn't look polished, and gnome looks very nice
[18:05] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: A system that works where it should and have minor issues here and there. BUt if not even graphics, resolution, video output works as it SHOULD, ITS NOT stable.
[18:06] <ForgeAus> KDE4 will eventually be polished, I mean KDE3 pretty much had that... just give it time
[18:06] <oxymoron> marc-andre: It almost look polished I would say, but Gnome is worse IMO. New radiance and ambience themes isnt good enough for me and bad applications in Gnome and I would miss Amarok too much :P
[18:06] <chocolate> i am live booting latest ubuntu using pen drive....it is stuck at loading....and in the background wrtten  getpwuid_r : failed due to unknown user id   .......please help
[18:07] <marc-andre> oxymoron: the applications are the main factor what keeps me back...
[18:07] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: KDE 3 never looked good at all :D It wasnt until KDE 4.3 it become usable ... but still unusable and crashed in Akonadi for instance and not implemented correct in apps like KMail :P
[18:08] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Yes, there ir some awesome Kubuntu/KDE apps like KDevelop4 (Released yesterday), PartitionManager (Finally works fast on upload to scan disks), Amarok, Dolphin, Kopete (Soon stable and polished enough to work with video chat and high speed file transfers) and so on.
[18:09] <marc-andre> oxymoron: i'm on KDE because of Konqueror
[18:09] <oxymoron> K3B is awesome as well, Ktorrent, Konsole :P
[18:09] <marc-andre> and K3B
[18:09] <marc-andre> oxymoron: exactly
[18:09] <licensed> choqok ;)
[18:10] <licensed> kopete, akregator ;)
[18:10] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Konqueror sucks IMO, too much glitches, it isnt that good as earlier in the days of KDE3 when it was "integrated" with a lot of features as IE is in WIndows :D
[18:10] <chocolate> can someone help me?
[18:11] <oxymoron> marc-andre: KHTML, Webkit isnt stable for HTML5, XHTML rendering and all that website stuff :P Then Flash isnt working good, but hopefully Flash will disappaer forever now with HTML5 era :D
[18:12] <etxekoak> ya soc aqui
[18:12] <marc-andre> oxymoron: i use it as a filemanager only, and there it is great, but true, not as good as it was in KDE3
[18:12] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Oh yeah and then we have Wine (Which is good initiative itself even if its not very compatible and stable YET) and KOffice (Especially Krita) but need a little more polish in the interface and expand features a little more to be better, faster and more creative than MS Office or OpenOffice :P
[18:13] <yofel> open office looks horrible with my dark theme, writing on a black sheet of paper feels odd...
[18:13] <JohnnyL> what's a good free iso burner for xp? (I want to burn kubuntu)
[18:13] <oxymoron> marc-andre: I used Konqueror before in KDE3 as filemanager and quite good but I must say I like Dolphin better unfortunatly :P Konqueror got to comfortable and missed that the future still goes on :P
[18:14] <oxymoron> JohnnyL: ImgBurn I think, ultraISO maybe or download Nero Trial xD
[18:14] <ahmedtaufiq> does lucid lynx has URDU language support ?
[18:14] <JohnnyL> oxymoron: great thanks! :)
[18:14] <yofel> oh, and kdevelop 4 is in lucid-backports :D
[18:14] <oxymoron> yofel: Is it possible to change theme in OpenOffice, I cant find how to? :P
[18:14] <James147> yofel: same here, i like that koffice dose it write with a white document nomatter the theme
[18:15] <ahmedtaufiq> does lucid lynx has urdu language support ??
[18:15] <ahmedtaufiq> any one to help
[18:15] <yofel> oxymoron: no idea what theme it uses, it has a icon theme setting, but that doesn't do much here TBH
[18:15] <oxymoron> yofel: Yes, Kdevelop4 is awesome! :) Rainbow variable coloring is the most cool feature IMO :D Then it has svn and CVS version systems built in (Some minor bugs in them though)
[18:15] <James147> JohnnyL: if you have a spare 1gig or larger usb flash drive you can create a bootable usb useing unetbootin and not bother burning a cd :)
[18:15] <ahmedtaufiq> can all the menus and text be converted to URDU language ?
[18:15] <ForgeAus> what is rainbow variable colouring?
[18:15] <greyhat> Hey, i have a sound problem :( i can only hear system sounds, dont hear anything from videos, internet, mp3...
[18:16] <ahmedtaufiq> in lucid lynx ?
[18:16] <greyhat> I use Lucid Lynx
[18:16] <ahmedtaufiq> greyhat can u help me on this
[18:16] <JohnnyL> James147: ok.
[18:16] <oxymoron> James147: Do you know if its possible to remove that grey frame around the text in Koffice or OpenOffice?  A dotted border or more transparent would be good, NOT solid as now :P
[18:17] <DarthFrog> ahmedtaufiq: KDE supports Urdu.
[18:17] <yofel> oxymoron: didn't have much time to look at it yet other than the basic stuff, but that sound nice *g*
[18:17]  * James147 looks into oxymoron question
[18:17] <yofel> *sounds
[18:17] <oxymoron> yofel: I cannot even find how to change icons for OOO, I would like to switch to Crystal project icons :P
[18:17] <ahmedtaufiq> how can i do this  ?
[18:17] <yofel> oxymoron: sec
[18:17]  * James147 has to install koffice first :D
[18:17] <yofel> that oracle icon feels odd...
[18:18] <ahmedtaufiq> DarthFrog : what are the steps; can u suggest the appropriate web article on this >?
[18:18] <oxymoron> yofel: Yes I love the highlightning, project structure and almost like everything is exactly as I want it and its integrated for KDE as well. Now I can trash Zend Studio, Eclipse, Netbeans, Aptana and all those :P
[18:18] <oxymoron> yofel: Unfortunatly there is only C++/C and PHP support for the moment, but I only use PHP anyway so I am happy :D
[18:18]  * marc-andre never will trash Zend Studio with Aptana
[18:19] <DarthFrog> ahmedtaufiq: No, sorry.  I just did "apt-cache search urdu" and found what translation sets are available.
[18:19] <yofel> oxymoron: (in ooo-writer) tools>options>oo.o>view>icon size and style
[18:19] <James147> oxymoron: i just wish they would get java support for kdevelop so i can ignore elcipse and the horribaly way it handles colors
[18:19] <ForgeAus> Crystal is kewl :)
[18:19] <DarthFrog> ahmedtaufiq:  And it's "you", not "u". :-)
[18:19] <oxymoron> James147: Yeah it will probably get support for Java, Python, Ruby and so on in the future :)
[18:19] <yofel> James147: +1
[18:19] <ahmedtaufiq> ok
[18:19] <ForgeAus> retro as far as KDE is concerned tho
[18:19] <yofel> well, this is still 4.0 :P
[18:19] <oxymoron> yofel: Thanks, will try that :)
[18:20] <oxymoron> yofel: Yeah its only 4.0 and its awesome :P The team is nice and awesome as well ;)
[18:20] <ahmedtaufiq> darthfrog: so urdu as transalation set is available; so how can i install it ?
[18:20]  * marc-andre is still pissed about the fact that he can't install zend server on kubuntu 10.04
[18:20] <DarthFrog> ahmedtaufiq: Use kpackagekit.
[18:21] <UbuntuLily> I have a question.  Why does Ubuntu seem to get slower when I install more applications even though I am not running any ?
[18:21] <James147> oxymoron: i know it will come, i jsut wish it would come sooner, i hate eclipse more and more every day :(... whos idea was it to stick syntax coloring in the workspace so users have to reset it for every workspace
[18:21] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: It might be due to nepomuk indexing.
[18:21] <DarthFrog> !nepomuk
[18:21] <James147> UbuntuLily: ^^ what DarthFrog said or it might be that your disk is getting full?
[18:21] <oxymoron> yofel: I cannot change icon theme other than the Oxygen theme xD
[18:22] <UbuntuLily> I am currently running Ubuntu though not Kubuntu (I am switching as we speak) isn't that part of that KDE?
[18:22] <yofel> oxymoron: you need to install the corresponding openoffice.org-style-* package iirc
[18:22] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Yes.
[18:23] <oxymoron> James147: Yeah I never liked Eclipse and then I cant understrand why Zend build their Studio upon Eclipse and then Aptana as well :D Urkh, now I will throw them away :D
[18:23] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Do you have a full hard disk?  Are you low on memory?
[18:23] <oxymoron> yofel: Aha I see, thanks :P
[18:23] <UbuntuLily> 4 Gigs of ram, 50GB free on disk, 20GB Swap drive
[18:24] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Well, it's probably nepomuk then.
[18:24] <James147> oxymoron: @your kword question Kword > view > unckeck "frame borders"
[18:24] <UbuntuLily> But Im not running nepomuk
[18:24] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You're running GNOME, then?  Don't know about GNOME.
[18:25] <oxymoron> James147: Awesome, do you know if its possible to change the look of frame borders? :P
[18:26] <UbuntuLily> ya, for now,  Installing Kubuntu now though and gonna try ditching gnome.  I was just wondering if there was any maintenance I am not doing I guess.
[18:26]  * oxymoron wonders why some apps doesnt have a apply settings button ... You need to click ok and go back again to setup more settings xD
[18:26] <rogesman> hey all, where can i find the grub editor gui? needs to be installed?
[18:27] <James147> oxymoron: poor ui design :(
[18:27] <anirban_c8> hi
[18:28] <anirban_c8> I just upgraded to 10.04
[18:28]  * oxymoron is going to grab some food, brb
[18:28] <anirban_c8> and I cannot login to my desktop
[18:28] <James147> oxymoron: dont see a way to edit the border look
[18:29] <anirban_c8> I checked  systemlog and it says some error in frame buffer
[18:29] <James147> anirban_c8: try running "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install -f" from the terminal
[18:29] <anirban_c8> ok let me try
[18:30] <James147> anirban_c8: if that dosnt help then you can try renaming ~/.kde and checking that all files in you home directory arent owned by root :)
[18:31] <anirban_c8> ok james147 aptitude install -f installing some more packages
[18:31] <James147> anirban_c8: :)
[18:31] <rogesman> hey all, where can i find the grub editor gui? needs to be installed?
[18:32] <James147> rogesman: not sure there is one for grub 2
[18:32] <rogesman> James147: hmm...well, just want to disable acpi support
[18:33] <James147> !grub2 | rogesman
[18:34] <draik> !grub
[18:35] <rogesman> okay....the GUI made life a bit easier tho :-p
[18:37] <anirban_c8> james147 no the probelm remains
[18:37] <James147> rogesman: someone will probally create one eventaully... if there sint one already
[18:37] <anirban_c8> I renamed the ,kde dir and also executed the aptitdue install -f
[18:37] <James147> anirban_c8: afraid i am not sure whats wrong then
[18:37] <anirban_c8> I am still getting invalid frame buffer id
[18:38] <anirban_c8> my guess is it is some thing with my ati chip set
[18:38] <yofel> anirban_c8: do you get the login screen?
[18:38] <James147> anirban_c8: you had the proprity drivers installed before you upgraded?
[18:38] <anirban_c8> yeah I get the login screen
[18:38] <yofel> hm
[18:39] <anirban_c8> but when I enter the user name and password screen get blanked for a while and then the login screen reappear
[18:40] <anirban_c8> I think there is some open driver for my graphics card already
[18:40] <anirban_c8> it is ati 400 expresss
[18:41] <anirban_c8> sorry it is radon 200 Xpress
[18:41] <JohnnyL> They should call nero, 'Near? Oh, no' taking forever to install.
[18:41] <greyhat> Anyone have the same problem as me ? i can only hear system sounds (Lucid Lynx)
[18:42] <greyhat> My sound worked flawless some hour ago :/
[18:43] <Torch> JohnnyL: it's a huge multimedia suite, not a disk burning program.
[18:43] <jrolland-MacBook> Hi. I tried following the instructions on <http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2>, but now kde-workspace-bin isn
[18:43] <jrolland-MacBook> t installed; can someone help?
[18:43] <anirban_c8> before 10.04 I had the open source driver for my graphics card
[18:44] <jrolland-MacBook> I have KUbuntu Intrepid install and I am trying to upgrade to KDE 4.2.2
[18:44] <James147> jrolland-MacBook: what version of kubuntu are you useing? 4.2.2 is quite old now
[18:44] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: look into backports, it should be there
[18:44] <anirban_c8> yeah latest is 4,4
[18:45] <jrolland-MacBook> Yeah, but intrepid uses 4.1
[18:45] <PSiL0> James147: maybe he has a legacy ati card, where catalyst 9.3 is the last one to support his laptop
[18:45] <James147> jrolland-MacBook: intrepid has reached end of life :(
[18:45] <jrolland-MacBook> I have a 2.4 GHz duo core with 2 gig of RAM; what version of Kubuntu is the latest that will run well with it?
[18:45] <jasunto> kubuntu 10.04 wont wake from sleep so i have to power cycle laptop, networking is hosed after starting back up
[18:45] <jasunto> network management icon says disabled
[18:46] <jasunto> restarting networking makes no difference
[18:46] <James147> jrolland-MacBook: lucid should run fine (try a live cd/usb first, some are having problems with it)
[18:46] <jrolland-MacBook> James147: But intrepid runs fast
[18:46] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[18:47] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: enable the backports repos and then upgrade
[18:47] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: 4.2.2, for intrepid should be there if they haven't cut out support
[18:48] <James147> jrolland-MacBook: kde 4.4.x has alot of new features and speed improvments over 4.2.x.. (or at least it should)
[18:48] <yofel> jrolland-MacBook: intrepid might run nice, but please not that support for intrepid ended with the release of lucid and intrepid will not get any bugfix or security updates anymore
[18:48] <yofel> *please note
[18:51] <jrolland-MacBook> OK, I'm upgrading to Jaunty; thanks for the discussions
[18:51] <stern_> hy an alle
[18:52] <stern_> where is here the chat for german
[18:52] <yofel> !de
[18:53] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: jaunty only goes up to kde 4.3.2 I believe
[18:53] <ForgeAus> does kpackage still exist or can you only use kpackagekit?
[18:53] <penguin> hello.
[18:53] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: with backports enabled
[18:53] <jasunto> lucid lynx no network wired or wireless after failed wakeup from sleep
[18:54] <penguin> remember that problem that I had yesterday when the kubuntu won't boot,
[18:54] <yofel> ForgeAus: in kubuntu there is only kpackagekit
[18:54] <speedvin> hello
[18:54] <ForgeAus> can you use it like the old kpackage? do you know?
[18:55] <speedvin> what do you mean like old kpackage?
[18:55] <speedvin> *use like old kpackage
[18:55] <yofel> nope, I  didn't use KDE yet when kubuntu still used kpackage
[18:56] <speedvin> @Forgeaus I think in Kubuntu 10.10 we will have aptitude qt frontend
[18:56] <ForgeAus> kubuntu didn't use that it used Adept before kpackagekit
[18:57] <speedvin> you're right
[18:57] <ForgeAus> (kpackage was another package manager that was around/usable but it wasn't the default one for kubuntu)
[18:58] <speedvin> BTW. Is there any way to use kde from svn in kubuntu without compilation?
[18:58] <speedvin> ppa repo or something like that?
[18:58] <ForgeAus> I doubt it
[18:59] <ForgeAus> launchpad?
[19:00] <yofel> no, the kubuntu team already has their hands full packaging the official releases, forget daily builds
[19:00] <speedvin> sadly...
[19:08] <ForgeAus> is arora going to replace konqi?
[19:08] <c3l> anyone managed to get spotify running on 10.04?
[19:08] <ForgeAus> (if so are they going to have kparts?)
[19:09] <c3l> I mean, it runs through wine. but no sound
[19:09] <speedvin> I think rekonq will be better to repleace konqeror
[19:09] <ForgeAus> whats rekonq?
[19:09] <yofel> rekonq is being considered for maverick
[19:10] <yofel> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/10.10/Brainstorm
[19:10] <speedvin> :D
[19:10] <yofel> I like it actually :)
[19:10] <speedvin> I using it now!
[19:10] <Quintasan> I don't like it, hangs at any bigger site
[19:10] <ForgeAus> kewl maverick is lucid +1?
[19:10] <speedvin> I replaced konq with it and oo.o with koffice
[19:10] <Quintasan> ForgeAus: yup
[19:10] <speedvin> yes
[19:10] <ForgeAus> maverick what?
[19:10] <yofel> maverick meerkat
[19:11] <ForgeAus> oh
[19:11] <ForgeAus> least it wasn't minx :)
[19:12] <safer> i installed kubuntu on a pendrive, to free some space i moved my /usr to another partition, but this partition is ntfs and i can't format it, so i configured my fstab to bind usr on partition to usr in root tree, but seems that my ntfs mout poin is wrong
[19:12] <safer> here my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/426566/
[19:14] <gian> ciao a tutti
[19:14] <SwissTorExit> hello to everyone, be happy that sasl work now
[19:14] <speedvin> @safer do have all ntfs packages installed?
[19:15] <safer> speedvin: only that live cd install
[19:16] <speedvin> do you have ntfsprogs installed?
[19:17] <safer> how can i verify, i am in a live session, with linux partition mounted, find ntfsprogs on this partition?
[19:18] <speedvin> sudo aptitude /installed package/otherfs/ntfsprogs or aptitude search ntfsprogs
[19:20] <safer> speedvin: ntfsprogs are installed
[19:20] <speedvin> ok
[19:21] <safer> i can mount this partition, but i having problems with, "must be suid root" when running something
[19:21] <speedvin> with mkntfs command you can format this pratition
[19:21] <safer> or don't initialize with this fstab configuration (with uid, gid)
[19:21] <skramer_> hi, does anybody know how to do ICQ Multiuser Chat with Kopete?
[19:22] <yofel> safer: tried doing whatever you want to do with 'sudo <command>' `
[19:22] <yofel> ?
[19:23] <safer> speedvin: sorry, my problem is not in formating this partition, is using usr in this partition, do you looked my fstab?
[19:23] <speedvin> yes
[19:23] <speedvin> yofel answer +1
[19:24] <Torch> safer: fstab does not work that way. the first columns has to be a device
[19:24] <safer> yofel: same error with 'sudo <command>', (must be suid root)
[19:24] <yofel> Torch: not for bind
[19:25] <Torch> yofel: ah, sorry. didn't read it all
[19:25] <Torch> safer: i'm also very skeptical if having /usr on ntfs is such a good idea.
[19:26] <eagles0513875> Torch: now for the moment of truth with the reinstall from a cd
[19:27] <safer> Torch: i have no options, since this partition is not myne, and i can't format, go try other configurations with gid,uid,dmask and fmask
[19:29] <eagles0513875> is there a problem with the ubuntu installer or something off a live cd :(
[19:29] <eagles0513875> i have my caps lock and scroll lock on my keyboard flashing
[19:29] <alzear> Hello all, could use some help with setting up my kubuntu with two grapichs card. Anyone have any good tutorial for that with latest  version (10.04)?
[19:30] <speedvin> eagles do you tried ubuntu-minimal cd?
[19:30] <skramer_> weiß jemand, ob ICQ Multiuser Chat mit Kopete funktioniert?
[19:30] <Prabz> Hi, What's the best way to convert kubuntu 4 into a mac look-alike?
[19:31] <draik> I upgraded my netbook to the Kubuntu Netbook version and it is slow to boot. Then, when it does, it tells me the UUID is not correct (which it is) or that it is not ready.
[19:31] <draik> Once I log in, I don't have menus. Is there a package which I missed?
[19:31] <James147> safer: wonder if you can create a file on the ntfs and format that as ext....
[19:31] <eagles0513875> draik: try kubuntu-netbook not sure if that would pull the rest of the packages you might be missing
[19:31] <eagles0513875> safer: what are you trying to do do you want to access an ntfs partition with read write access
[19:32] <draik> eagles0513875: I was on the desktop version first, then I did "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-netbook"
[19:32] <eagles0513875> draik: humm ok :( then im not sure
[19:32] <James147> Prabz: we are on kubuntu 10.04 :) but look at kde-look.org for themes and stuff that look like mac
[19:32] <Prabz> James147, I am too, I meant kde4
[19:33] <safer> James147: yes, a can create an file on ntfs and format, but i don't know how it solve my problem
[19:33] <James147> safer: http://freshmeat.net/articles/virtual-filesystem-building-a-linux-filesystem-from-an-ordinary-file
[19:33] <safer> James147: ok, will read
[19:33] <James147> safer: ^^ as a work around to not being able to formate the ntfs
[19:34] <Prabz> James147, there used to be a mac clone.. any available now?
[19:34] <SuN__> how to fix a live CD without kubuntu10.04 format is there such extra
[19:34] <safer> James147: k
[19:34] <SuN__> help
[19:35] <draik> How do I remove kubuntu-netbook and replace it with kubuntu-desktop?
[19:35] <James147> Prabz: not sure, the only wa yI know of doing it would be to change everything to look like mac (kde-look.org for themes/colours/plasmoids)
[19:35] <James147> draik: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-netbook
[19:36] <Prabz> okay, know of a irc channel where I can find enthusiasts for the same?
[19:37] <James147> Prabz: nop sorry
[19:37] <speedvin> hmm tried to have look like mac
[19:37] <Prabz> James147, ok thanks for your help
[19:37] <draik> James147: Did that. Still nothing. I'm trying to load up settings and they are running, but I can't get to them.
[19:37] <Prabz> speedvin, have you been successful?
[19:37] <speedvin> I used akorae Glasgow-Curpentiono theme
[19:37] <speedvin> I think yes
[19:38] <SuN__> help
[19:38] <SuN__> how to fix a live CD without kubuntu10.04 format is there such extra
[19:38] <Prabz> speedvin, know about baghira?
[19:39] <James147> draik: not sure what you mean
[19:39] <speedvin> SuN you want to fix Live CD (I think that I don't understand you)
[19:39] <speedvin> baghira I didin't hear of it
[19:41] <speedvin> but baghira is for kde 3.X
[19:41] <draik> James147: I'm not sure how to best explain it, but nothing is usable and I can't access any menu
[19:42] <James147> draik: screenshot?
[19:42] <Prabz> speedvin, yeah.. glasgow cupertino can't do the menu bar effect
[19:42] <draik> James147: I'd like to show a video, but I can't launch a thing
[19:42] <speedvin> why not
[19:43] <James147> draik: can you alt+f2 to open krunner?
[19:43] <speedvin> I moved the buuton's to the left
[19:44] <SuN__> !fix
[19:44] <SuN__> !recovery
[19:44] <draik> James147: I tried and nothing ever came up.
[19:45] <draik> James147: But the same occurred when trying to open the Desktop Settings. It showed me that it was open, but I couldn't access it at all.
[19:45] <dio_> #ubuntu
[19:47] <James147> draik: can you acess konsole at all?
[19:48] <draik> James147: I have access to yakuake
[19:49] <alzear> Hello all, could use some help with setting up my kubuntu with two grapichs card. Anyone have any good tutorial for that with latest  version (10.04)?
[19:49] <James147> draik: try running "krunner" in it
[19:50] <draik> James147: I think I might create a new partition of 10GB or so and use it for "/", then leave the current partition for "/home"
[19:50] <draik> James147: OK. I rebooted and I'm going to run krunner in yakuake
[19:51] <James147> draik: still dosnt work after a reboot?
[19:51] <draik> James147: I'm now back to the desktop version
[19:51] <James147> draik:  good :) you having any other problems then?
[19:52] <draik> James147: Just with running the Kubuntu Netbook version. Worked well in the LiveCD, not sure why it didn't on the drive install
[19:53] <apparle> Guys it great to see activity on kubuntu channel.... I haven't see it since a long time
[19:53] <James147> apparle: i bet its because of lucid release :)
[19:54] <James147> apparle: not sure if thats good or bad ^^
[19:54] <James147> draik: whats goes wrong when you try to run the netbook version?
[20:00] <draik> James147: I'm not going back to it for now, but it wouldn't load anything for me to use. I can click on the top 3 items, but they were blank pages. I scrolled down and it only went so far before it was an empty image (grey and white checkers)
[20:01] <ner0x> So what kind of voodoo magic so I have to use to get either Xorg or nvidia-settings to setup my dual monitors properly?
[20:01] <rogesman> hey all, the wee printer applet and bluetooth icon...where are these told to load from on the system?
[20:02] <rogesman> I would like to disable their startup
[20:02] <progre55> hi guys. my kde is acting weirdly.. I have 4 desktops, and have set "different activity for each desktop" but after a restart, I cant right-click on my first desktop, and I see the "activity settings", there are no mouse activities bound.. but the other desktops seem to be fine. any suggestions, please?
[20:02] <progre55> and also some design effects have changed..
[20:03] <progre55> like it used to show a window preview when you mouse-over windows on the panel, but now it's just showing the name of the windows..
[20:03]  * oxymoron have a question, is it possible to speed up file transfers between partitions (copy, paste, cut and so on ...) and make it go like 200 MB/s (Theoreticly SATAII protocol should support 600 MB/S write speed if I remember correct)
[20:04] <oxymoron> 1 GB/S would be nice though xD
[20:06] <progre55> and also, when you are moving a window, it used to fade and become transparent.. but now it doesnt
[20:06] <reza> oxymoron: have you tried rsync?
[20:06] <oxymoron> reza: For backup yes or how do you mean? :P
[20:06] <reza> oxymoron, it's pretty fast.
[20:08] <Prabz> speedvin, how did u move the buttons to the left?
[20:08] <oxymoron> reza: Yeah I really like that backup through rsync is pretty fast :) I can live with like 50 MB/s I have now with ext4, before I only got like 20-30 MB/s, mostly when weyre talkling about copying which is slower but transfer or move files isnt exactly fast either, and network is hopeless to transfer in, even with Gigabit network xD
[20:08] <tsimpson> oxymoron: copying/moving data between partitions on the same device is always going to be slow
[20:09] <oxymoron> reza: I would like to move a movie 4.4 GB in under 5 seconds or unpack it A hell lot faster,
[20:09] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Why so?
[20:09] <reza> oxymoron, sorry I thought you were talking about moving between devices
[20:09] <tsimpson> oxymoron: because the head has to move to the read position, read data, move to the write position, write data, move back to the read position...
[20:09] <tsimpson> it's a lot of physical movement
[20:10] <reza> maybe switch to SSD. :)
[20:10] <speedvin> system settings/appearance/windows/buttons
[20:11] <rogesman> the system tray apps loaded at startup are called from ... rc.local, kdm scripts, autostart, etc? I can't seem to find the right place :-p
[20:11] <oxymoron> reza: Talking about that as well, not only move files locally ;)
[20:12] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Thats why we need new Flash drives like SSD, but hopefully they will find a better way to store data on :P
[20:12] <reza> oxymoron: transfer between devices should be faster but I'm not aware of any way to maximize it. how about setting up nfs and streaming the movie?
[20:12] <oxymoron> tsimpson: I just read about spintronic recently that MRAM technology is built upon, which mean spins of electrons around atom cores :P
[20:13] <oxymoron> reza: Yes I usually stream the movie trough NFS and my mediastreamer, but I have to move it to right folder and unpack it first ;)
[20:13] <tsimpson> when I can use my arm as a USB stick, I'll be happy
[20:14] <MurkeM> hey all, i was wondering if you could help me with an issue i'm having in IRC on Kubuntu. i'm using XChat in Kubuntu 10.04. the problem is that when i use the "@search" function that some channels have (i'm specifically asking about the one in UnderNet's #bookz) it shows that the search has been accepted but it doesn't ever send me the results of the search. i've read in some places that it gets blocked because XChat th
[20:14] <Aranel_> I'm having problems with KDE. It immediately logs me off to KDM after writing my username and pw. Tried moving .kde and logging with GDM, no luck. How can I log-in to KDE? Using 10.04 Lucid.
[20:15] <reza> oxymoron: I don't know your setup but it seems you could avoid the move to the right folder
[20:15] <Torch> MurkeM: if you'd used konversation, your overlong line would have been correctly split ;-)
[20:15] <saintly> hello, quick Q, is there a torrent for skype i can use in Konsole?
[20:15] <Torch> MurkeM: maybe konversation would also fix your other issues. whatever they are.
[20:15] <MurkeM> Torch: sorry, i'm using mIRC on Windows right now
[20:15] <MurkeM> and i've tried using Konversation
[20:15] <saintly> Torch: any idea?
[20:16] <reza> saintly, I don't understand your question
[20:16] <apparle> MurkeM: have you tried Quassel
[20:16] <oxymoron> reza: Yeah probably, but tvix is a little bit complex because you need a certain folder like tvixhd1 or tvixhd2 in root folder / :P
[20:16] <oxymoron> reza: tvix is the mediastreamer ;)
[20:17] <progre55> hmm... anyone know why is my first desktop has switched places with the forth desktop? but when I zoom-out, it is shown as first..
[20:17] <tsimpson> MurkeM: you should repeat the last part of the question, it got cut off after: i've read in some places that it gets blocked because XChat t
[20:17] <saintly> reza: you know what skype is right? does kubuntu have a package for the system that i can get via terminal
[20:17] <reza> oxymoron: oh! tvix...I'm going to exit this conversation.
[20:17] <oxymoron> reza: Well its not a serious problem, but its annoying to wait on large file transfers and then unpacking large rar archives :P
[20:17] <oxymoron> reza: What about tvix? :P
[20:17] <MurkeM> apparle: yes, i've tried Konversation, Quassel, XChat and one other IRC client but i forgot what it was. same issue in all of them
[20:18] <reza> saintly: why not just download the .deb from skype.com?
[20:18] <oxymoron> Oh right I should test if SKype works now :P
[20:18] <saintly> i already tried sudo apt-get install skype.
[20:18] <reza> just download it from the website saintly
[20:18] <oxymoron> Enable cannoncial partner ppa and you can install skype I think.
[20:18] <saintly> reza: they have it on site? hmm
[20:18] <reza> yes
[20:19] <reza> saintly: in case you're lazy. http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/
[20:19] <Torch> saintly: skype is propietary crap, you need to get it from them.
[20:19] <tsimpson> !skype
[20:19] <Aranel_> I'm having problems with KDE. It immediately logs me off to KDM after writing my username and pw. Tried moving .kde and logging with GDM, no luck. How can I log-in to KDE? Using 10.04 Lucid.
[20:19] <saintly> reza: lazy my a$$ :)
[20:19] <dolomite> saintly: enough to forego a google search
[20:20] <tsimpson> saintly: obfuscation is not allowed either
[20:20] <saintly> dolomite: i try to get everything via terminals, worked well for me so far, my Lucid is bugless ;) what about you?
[20:20] <MurkeM> tsimpson: the rest said "i've read in some places that it gets blocked because XChat thinks you're getting flooded, but i haven't been able to find how to fix it. any help is appreciated."
[20:20] <progre55> dolomite: hey man, I know you can help me out =)
[20:20] <apparle> Aranel_: I had that problem when I messed my harddisk space...
[20:20] <dolomite> saintly: my machine is running beautifully thanks for asking
[20:20] <tsimpson> MurkeM: what exactly is the "@search" function?
[20:21] <saintly> dolomite: sweet! :D
[20:21] <saintly> hehe
[20:21] <Aranel_> apparle: mine seems ok, 30 gig free space
[20:21] <MurkeM> tsimson: have you ever used UnderNet's #bookz channel?
[20:21] <apparle> you can login to gnome right?
[20:21] <dolomite> progre55: I keep all of my workspace in one desktop; I can't multitask
[20:22] <progre55> dolomite: =) I se
[20:22] <progre55> e
[20:22] <tsimpson> MurkeM: no, I actively avoid anything that uses 'z' instead of 's' because it's supposed to be "k00l"
[20:22] <dolomite> woo tsimpson you're on fire today
[20:23] <dolomite> progre55, you've exhausted the options in the system settings?
[20:23] <MurkeM> tsimpson: fair enough, what about IRCHighway's #ebooks? i believe it also uses @search
[20:23] <dolomite> Aranel_ can you login to either gnome or kde?
[20:24] <tsimpson> MurkeM: no I haven't. try just explaining what it does
[20:24] <Aranel_> dolomite:  I can login to gnome, can't login to KDE.
[20:24] <progre55> dolomite: yeah I've been playing around with them )
[20:24] <dolomite> Aranel_ what exactly does it do when you try to log into KDE? any errors?
[20:25] <oxymoron> Is it possible to make skype stream a DV camera without have to load v4l-start together with it? :P
[20:25] <Aranel_> dolomite: Nope, I enter my username and password, It shows the loading thing, after the first icon appears(you know, it shows some icons when loading) screen blacks out and backs to log-in screen.
[20:26] <MurkeM> tsimpson: @search followed by a keyword has a searchbot send a text file of all the books with that keyword you can get from the people in the channel
[20:26] <dolomite> Aranel_ back to the graphical login screen?
[20:26] <Aranel_> dolomite: yes, to kdm.
[20:26] <apparle> Aranel_: and you can login to gnome right?
[20:27] <bms20> help request: anyone know how to get 10.04 to sleep when the laptop lid is closed?
[20:27] <Aranel_> apparle: Yes, I can log-in to gnome without any problem.
[20:27] <dolomite> bms20: kmenu>system settings>advanced tab>power management
[20:28] <apparle> Aranel_: try removing ~/.kde ... rather backit up elsewhere
[20:28] <apparle> Aranel_: just rename it
[20:28] <tsimpson> MurkeM: does it send it via DCC? or /msg, or /notice?
[20:28] <bms20> dolomite: ok - then what? I see plenty of options, but nothing associated with laptop lid.
[20:28] <Aranel_> apparle: already tried, It showed the second icon, then crashed again.
[20:29] <MurkeM> tsimpson: DCC
[20:29] <apparle> Aranel_: no idea then.... did you upgrade from earlier version or install ubuntu 10.04 and then kubuntu-desktop?
[20:29] <tsimpson> MurkeM: are you behind a firewall or router? and if so, did you forward the appropriate ports?
[20:29] <Aranel_> apparle: upgrade from kubuntu 9.10
[20:31] <Daugha|n> Ok...I did  fresh Ubuntu 9.10 install and installed kubuntu-desktop via cli, selected kdm, yet the kde gui will not boot, I am still getting gnome. What do I need to edit to fix this?
[20:31]  * Aranel_ is back again, rebooting.
[20:32] <MurkeM> tsimpson: yes, i believe so. i'm able to download other files via DCC, it's just when i use @search that it doesn't work
[20:32] <tsimpson> Daugha|n: you need to select KDE from the login menu, before you login
[20:32] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: Why didnt you install Kubuntu instead? :P
[20:32] <Daugha|n> tsimpson: I'll slapmyself a few times now.....Thanks
[20:32] <Daugha|n> oxymoron: Because I didnt feel like dling and burning off a copy of kubuntu x64.
[20:33] <c3l> Im having trouble gettin my hp laserjet 1020 working. (worked on ubuntu 9.10) when I plug it in a box pops up telling me that proprietary drivers are being installed, but nothing happens. cups can find the printer, but its status is always idle and it cannot send jobs to it. how do I fix?
[20:33] <Daugha|n> Aleready had ubuntu x64
[20:33] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: I am not sure, but itsnt it easier Kubuntu => Ubuntu rather than Ubuntu => Kubuntu? :P
[20:33] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: Aha okay :P
[20:33] <tsimpson> MurkeM: I'm not aware of any default blocking done by xchat, I guess you'll need to ask in #xchat and explain to them what you explained to me
[20:33] <dolomite> check that it exists in the printer management section of system settings c3l
[20:33] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: But I wonder, will I get the "power" of gnome if I install Ubuntu and then apply KDE upon it? :D
[20:34] <dolomite> haha. "power"
[20:34] <Daugha|n> oxymoron: Guy I am installing for doesnt *want* the 'power' of gnome.=)
[20:34] <MurkeM> tsimpson: ok, thanks.
[20:34] <c3l> dolomite: I can see it under Computer administration - Printer Configuration. its listed as a Local Printer and all settings and so seems correct, but not working
[20:34] <ForgeAus> KDE doesn't sit as well on ubuntu as gnome apps do on KDE
[20:34] <ForgeAus> (with qtcurve
[20:35] <dolomite> c3l: can you print a test page?
[20:35] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: Haha alright :D Well sometimes you need Gnome crappy apps that KDE havent adopted yet :P
[20:35] <Daugha|n> ForgeAus: I have two systems that have been running perfectly fine with that arrangement.
[20:35] <c3l> dolomite: no, the job is getting sent, but nothing happens
[20:35] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: Like ntfs-config, cairo-dock and some more :P
[20:35] <ForgeAus> Daugha|n: ok maybe I'm talking historically then?
[20:36] <Daugha|n> oxymoron: ntfs-config being one issue, yes.. =)
[20:36] <dolomite> does it show up in that taskbar icon c3l?
[20:36] <ForgeAus> its not about having two systems, ubuntu-desktop + KDE is worse than kubuntu-desktop + Gnome
[20:36] <Daugha|n> ForgeAus: Possibly...I havent had any issues since 9.10
[20:36] <oxymoron> Kmag SHOULD need a new svg logo I think, it looks ugly as I dont know :D
[20:36] <ForgeAus> (of course theres no reason you can't have kubuntu-desktop + ubuntu-desktop
[20:36] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Hehe exactly, that was my point ;)
[20:37] <c3l> dolomite: well, yes.. not the printer per se but; Printer Applet: 1 document queued
[20:37] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: I love that ntfs-config fixed ntfs write support which ntfs-3g already have but still, then automaticly found my ntfs partitions and ask me if I wanted to add them, then it installed ALL of them to fstab and I didnt had to manually type them in as I was going too :D
[20:38] <ForgeAus> if Lubuntu becomes official there'll be a lubuntu-Dekstop (LXDE-based)
[20:38] <ads> Is there already a new lightning plugin for thunderbird 3 in 10.4? Or should i wait with upgrade?
[20:38] <Daugha|n> Actually, this is going to be my first dual boot install, so, nice to know I wont need to do all that manually. =)
[20:38] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: I would love to ONLY use EXT* partitions but for Windows compatibility I still have NTFS for storage to access all my drives from both Linux and Windows, because Linux have better support for ntfs than Windows have for EXT* :P
[20:39] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Huh, whats Lubuntu? :O
[20:39]  * Daugha|n nods.
[20:39] <ForgeAus> there alredy is a non-offical (ie not included/supported by canonical) fluxbuntu and theres linux mint.. but no StepBuntu (or NeXTbuntu?)
[20:39] <ForgeAus> oxymoron: it hasn't happened yet but LXDE may become the next officially supported by canonical *buntu variant (like xubuntu)
[20:40] <dolomite> c3l: what if you remove any part of your printer in the printer management then set it up manually?
[20:40] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Cool, whats so good with Lubuntu that make it a *buntu family and why do we need ANOTHER *buntu distro anyway? :P
[20:40] <ForgeAus> which would mean there will (or at least would be a lubuntu-desktop package coming
[20:40] <ForgeAus> oxymoron:  I didn't suggest we needed one
[20:41] <oxymoron> I think the reason GNU/Linux isnt popular is because there is no limits, need to isolate choices of settings and distros :P
[20:41] <ForgeAus> look at PCLinuxOS its got 6 or so versions one for each alternative WM!
[20:41] <ForgeAus> well most of the alternative WM's anyway
[20:47] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Yes, GNU/Linux need to focus on less distros and trashcan the rest :P
[20:47] <oxymoron> OpenSuse, Fedora, Ubuntu/Kubuntu, ArchLinux is the most popular I think, but not sure.
[20:48] <sourcemaker> how can I fix the lvm issue "Found duplicate PV "
[20:49] <ForgeAus> Linux + GNU/OS
[20:49] <oxymoron> Thats the problem with OpenSource IMO overall, everybody does it their way and you never got anything mature, finished, polished or anything, you always hope for next release that they will solve previous bugs and same with next as a evil cycle :D
[20:50] <ForgeAus> hehe interesting that those buisnessheads tried to put a unix kernel behind Linux and call it a Unified Linux for buisness!
[20:50] <ForgeAus> (making it not Linux at all by doing that)
[20:50] <dolomite> oxymoron: you can buy windows for as little as $150 these days
[20:50] <dolomite> go for it
[20:50] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: For instance I hope now for Kubuntu 10.10 that they solve video problems first of all and some KDE minor issues :P
[20:50] <oxymoron> dolomite: I dont like Windows, thats why I am here xD
[20:50] <ForgeAus> actually Ishouldn't have called it linux myself I should have said behind GNU/OS )
[20:50] <Aranel_xchat> guys, need help: <pinotree> Aranel_xchat: ask in #kubuntu how to get a non-busted nvidia GL library
[20:50] <ForgeAus> since Linux refers to the kernel itself mostly
[20:50] <dolomite> oxymoron: no need to complain about package maturity when you're not paying for it
[20:51] <ForgeAus> (its only "general" speak that it refers to the rest of the OS along with it)
[20:51] <Aranel_xchat> I can't log-in to KDE, and #kde guys pointing to here =)
[20:51] <oxymoron> dolomite: and I will never ever support Microsoft anymore and then not pay for it, only pirate copied Windows is the one who works without limitations and block automatic updates and so on :D
[20:51] <apparle> oxymoron: I personally think if you want to get the bugs fixed you better start reading the code instead of waiting for someone to fix it
[20:51] <ForgeAus> oxymoron: LInux does have some mature apps
[20:51] <oxymoron> dolomite: Why not? xD
[20:52] <aziz> hi, downloading the dist upgrade packages is horribly slow. Are the other mirrors slow as well?
[20:52] <dominicdinada> LUCID is so processor intensive that it drains my battery so much faster than karmic, slax or bt4 whats with lucid does anybody know ?
[20:52] <oxymoron> apparle: Yeah if I didnt have any life at all and only focused on programming I would definetly help, or no I would develop a new OS.
[20:52] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Mature apps yes, but not mature distros :P
[20:52] <ForgeAus> whats bt4?
[20:53] <ForgeAus> what debian isn't a mature distro?
[20:53] <dominicdinada> backtrack 4
[20:53] <oxymoron> AND I dont say GNU/Linux and *buntu series is bad, I just trying to explain why it doesnt expand to wider audience ;)
[20:53] <ForgeAus> as much as I'd hate to admit it Fedora should be considered one too
[20:53] <ForgeAus> Slackware would be mature, I'd think
[20:53] <apparle> oxymoron: for eg: in my case, my sound card didn't detect so,,,,, I waited for about 2 years, then I decided that I am going to find the bug myself... and found that it just needed a simple quirk :D and now sound works just fine
[20:54] <ForgeAus> most other distro's are based on those main3
[20:54] <apparle> how about debian
[20:54] <ForgeAus> (even ubuntu is based on Debian)
[20:55] <MaxDamage> So, is there Adobe Flash Player for 64bit systems?
[20:56] <ForgeAus> MaxDamage: I think so, at least in Windows/Mac world not sure about Linux as yet
[20:56] <MaxDamage> ForgeAus: Is there any free alternative? :)
[20:57] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, if you have flashplugin-nonfree installed and kubuntu-restricted-extras as well.
[20:58] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: I needed to add the backports for that, right? Sorry, I haven't used Kubuntu in a while. :P
[20:58] <oxymoron> apparle: Yeah, you see ;) Well I dont have too much knowledge to design new grpahic drivers for nVidia cards and make DV cams work in v4l protocol :D
[20:58] <MaxDamage> !restricted-extras
[20:58] <MaxDamage> !flashplayer
[20:58] <oxymoron> apparle: I could redesign icon protocol in *buntu though if I may :D
[20:59] <oxymoron> apparle: An icon store application that sort out all icons on computer and so you can setup everything.
[20:59] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, you got it :)
[20:59] <apparle> oxymoron: :D once I buy a new graphic card I am sure I will get to graphics stuff also
[20:59] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: I guess I do remember some things after all. :)
[21:00] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, good  :)
[21:00] <oxymoron> apparle: More and more I have got closer to core to fix bugs and things that annoys me, I have looked a little on linux kernel source code for instance :P Then I have been fixing around with grub, v4l, nvidia settings, x and so on.
[21:00] <MaxDamage> While I'm here, last time I used Kubuntu, videos seemed pixelated when playing in Fullscreen, while they looked fine when played in Windows (BSPlayer)
[21:01] <oxymoron> apparle: I have programming skills as well so thats not an issue. The issue is "lazyness", time and priority (I want to do a lot of other things as well)
[21:01] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, which graphics card ?
[21:01] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: nVidia 8600 GTS with proprietary drivers.
[21:03] <apparle> oxymoron: :D I am sure you have programming skills.... I am on the way of gaining them :D but if you are using a free software based on community, you have to give back something :D but again lazyness wins
[21:03] <MaxDamage> apparle: That's the whole idea of OpenSource, isn't it? :)
[21:05] <apparle> MaxDamage: ya ..... If only I had some knowledge on fixing the Radeon driver then my computer would have run linux as fast as windows xD
[21:05] <MaxDamage> Heh
[21:05] <MaxDamage> apparle: What's wrong with the Radeon driver?
[21:06] <BluesKaj> aha proprietary, MaxDamage , drop to a tty and remove the existing driver and install nvidia-current driver, you'l need to stop X first tho , then restart it. here's atutorial I copied a while back that still works. http://pastebin.com/GukN1NaR.
[21:06] <apparle> MaxDamage: the open source driver doesn't give any proper acceleration and ATI has turned its back on me
[21:07] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: I'll bookmark that and I'll do it later. :)
[21:07] <MaxDamage> Thanks a lot.
[21:08] <BluesKaj> np, MaxDamage :)
[21:08] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: That's a wonderful tutorial. Precise and to the point.
[21:08] <MaxDamage> Though, when I tried installing it last time it said about me missing some complation environment or something
[21:09] <oxymoron> apparle: Open SOurce will always be free and the idea of it is not to require using people to provide something but its good if people do of course ;) I just dont want to do small things, I want the whole thing go good directly in one single piece of work and not only provide some minor bug patches and so on.
[21:09] <jonathan__> hello!
[21:09] <MaxDamage> Hey, jonathan__.
[21:09] <MaxDamage> :)
[21:09] <dolomite> hi jonathan__
[21:09] <jonathan__> could someone please paste me the contents of /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz
[21:10] <jonathan__> the problem is I'm using arch now and need the list of hd card models, but the file doesn't exist here...
[21:10] <oxymoron> apparle: I got the perfect OS name to conquer OS throne, "Doors", it will knock Windows hard and throw Jobs trhough the door :D
[21:11] <apparle> oxymoron: I want the world to be very very rich..... if only I got what I want :D I am going to buy Doors if its not free :D
[21:11] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: How would you do that? Actually make an out-of-the-box Linux distro that "just works"? :P
[21:12] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, a lot of ppl make the mistake of trying install anew driver while their existing one is running , hence the tty and disabling X. the new driver appears to install but does not,and defaults to the original
[21:12] <oxymoron> apparle: No, you really want to be rich yourself, the human mankind always want egoism, money, control and power :P Haha if its not free :D Small fee then xD
[21:13] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: Well, I did stop X. :)
[21:13] <BluesKaj> good
[21:13] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: I mainly wanted that driver, because HD videos on YouTube were very slow.
[21:13] <BluesKaj> ok,bbl...
[21:13] <MaxDamage> I thought it would help...
[21:14] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Hmm not sure if I should built it upon Linux kernel or do everything from scratch :P But I dont think I am going to do it any day, only maybe. And it will work smoothly and out of the box and make it extremly modular so you can just append modules like grpahic drivers for instance and separate nvidia, ati and so on but all of them can use same core :P
[21:14] <dolomite> jonathan__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/426616/
[21:14] <apparle> oxymoron: who cares about how much money others have got......... as long as I have lots of it to spend... I won't mind other's being richer... But that was a typing mistake... ya *I* want to be rich
[21:15] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: That's a good cause. :P
[21:15] <voicu> is the sound in flash broken or is it just me?
[21:15] <MaxDamage> voicu: It's you. Mine worked out-of-the-box
[21:15] <MaxDamage> :)
[21:16] <voicu> well i'm glad to hear that :P
[21:16] <voicu> wait
[21:16] <voicu> i think i have that opensource thingy
[21:16] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Would love to see modular motherboards on the market as well to append new computer components and remove chipsets and replace them with your own and so on :P I think the perfect OS would focus on graphics and Internet/Web, thats the future IMO :P
[21:16] <voicu> yeah, my bad
[21:16] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: Indeed.
[21:16] <oxymoron> apparle: I can go on with the money thing and humans but its to much off topic :P
[21:17] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Google Chrome OS have understand that someway, but not completly.
[21:18] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Then integrate/sync BIOS with MRAM or RAM overall, Virtualize CPU Cores completly and make it easy append new modules to the core and separate base core and some kind of desktop/disto core :P
[21:19] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: If you do that, you'll be worshiped.  :P
[21:20] <MaxDamage> I can't learn programming, it's too time consuming. (Though if I find a simple tutorial to get me started I'd be unstoppable :P) But if you can program an OS, do it.
[21:20] <dolomite> MaxDamage: said like a true motivational speaker
[21:20] <MaxDamage> dolomite: Mhm. :P
[21:21] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Yeah maybe, but if I start I am not sure if I can stop, I will do it as a life purpose :D But if Linus Torwalds and Mark something have developed complex shit under their lifetime, why shouldnt I be able to do it :P
[21:21] <MaxDamage> There you go!
[21:22] <MaxDamage> If you need help with the graphics feel free to ask me :P
[21:22] <MaxDamage> I'm looking to get back in the good fight, haha.
[21:22] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Bill Gates and his pals sat in a freaking garage with Coke all day long before and forced the PC market with WIndows licenses over the world through Silicon Valley, they became rich eraly :P Too bad Gates have Asperger (As I have heard) that he dress like a I dont know :P That thing I cannot understand, why is rich guys so ugly dressed? :D
[21:23] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: You'll set an example, then. :P
[21:23] <apparle> oxymoron: come on... start off today
[21:24] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Hehe maybe some day, maybe some day ;) It depends what happens with my master of engineering examination I must say. If it goes to hell then I think I go and start my freaking OS :D
[21:25] <MaxDamage> I hope it goes to Hell then. xD
[21:25] <apparle> oxymoron: I am passing out Btech Electronics.. tell me if you ever need help... motherboard and stuff :P
[21:25] <oxymoron> apparle: Yeah, maybe I will actually but I want to finish my web framework and blog first so I can blog about it and my life overall :D Seriously, it cant be that hard develop a OS and a kernel :P
[21:25] <MaxDamage> See? Now you got a whole team. :P
[21:25] <oxymoron> Haha awesome, a team already! :P
[21:25] <apparle> oxymoron: I can attack the motherboards and stuff....
[21:26] <MaxDamage> I can take care of the graphics.
[21:26] <demersus> You could do what our pal Linus did and develop  a kernel that is compatible with GNU stuff
[21:26] <oxymoron> Maybe we actually can do it for real, its not impossible :)
[21:26] <MaxDamage> (Shiny n stuff)
[21:26] <oxymoron> apparle: motherboards, BIOS and that, MaxDamage: Grpahics and maybe more things. Hmm what should I do, the core and overall structure? :P
[21:27]  * tsimpson double-checks
[21:27] <tsimpson> nope, this is #kubuntu
[21:27] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Haha :D
[21:27] <apparle> oxymoron: ya sure
[21:27] <apparle> tsimpson: sorry
[21:27] <oxymoron> Hey guys we go over too #kubuntu-offtopic instead ;)
[21:27] <apparle> sure
[21:27] <tsimpson> and you wonder why -ot is always dead, everyone talks here instead
[21:28] <dolomite> good call simpson
[21:28] <apparle> tsimpson: because discussion start off from actual problems discussed here
[21:28] <semistud2354> can someone tell me how to turn OFF the upgrade notification?
[21:28] <MaxDamage> Okay, lets go to offtopic then :P
[21:28] <semistud2354> i dont want to upgrade to 10.04
[21:30] <semistud2354> is that possible?
[21:31] <MaxDamage> semistud2354: There should be a "Don't show this again" option.
[21:31] <semistud2354> i checked the box and said NO
[21:32] <semistud2354> but its still poping up..
[21:32] <Ilya-X> can someone let me know if the Ubuntu Software Manager is fully compatible with Kubuntu, or would I experience any problems if I use it instead of KPackageKit? (I do not have GNOME installed, only KDE)
[21:32] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: #kubuntu-offtopic you're needed there. :P
[21:33] <apparle> Ilya-X: why do you need the softwae manager... agreed its cool and stuff but still nothing beats apt-get
[21:34] <Ilya-X> because I want to see a categorized list of available software that I can download, rather than having to research program titles individually elsewhere
[21:34] <Daugha|n> UBuntu software center. :P
[21:35] <Ilya-X> Daugha|n: yeah, I'm here asking if it's 100% compatible with Kubuntu or not (I only have KDE, not GNOME). Do you know?
[21:35] <Ilya-X> meaning, would it install the software correctly? would it go into appropriate menus within the KDE menu structure? etc
[21:35] <Daugha|n> Yes and no....The prob is, not all listed apps say if they are gnome or kde based.
[21:36] <Daugha|n> I use both, so, I dont know what you would get trying to install a gnome app in kde.
[21:36] <ForgeAus> whats wrong with kpackagekit?
[21:36] <Daugha|n> Never used it. =)
[21:36] <krezkey> Hey ! has anyone noticed that the vertical and horizontal setting in the wallpaper settings panel are wrong still.
[21:37] <apparle> Ilya-X: my suggesion use the software centre to find the app and then install it via command line/kpackagekit... so no installation problems
[21:37]  * ForgeAus misses adept
[21:37] <MaxDamage> ForgeAus: Me too :(
[21:38] <ForgeAus> around Gutsy or so was good
[21:40] <Ilya-X> I'm somewhat new to Linux, so I just had trouble getting something as simple as Pidgin installed. Searched "pidgin" in kpackagekit, and it returned two pages worth of pidgin-related downloads (plugins, etc)... I had to read the description of every single one until I found the core pidgin app
[21:40] <apparle> ForgeAus: I also miss it
[21:40] <Ilya-X> so it's kind of not user-friendly at all, imho
[21:40] <apparle> Ilya-X: what is wrong with kopete
[21:40] <ForgeAus> lol Ilya-X
[21:40] <Ilya-X> I use kopete now :) I just wanted to download pidgin as well
[21:40] <ForgeAus> thats not about user-friendliness
[21:40] <ForgeAus> just about package swamping mostly
[21:41] <ForgeAus> pidgin probably added chunks of Gnome too
[21:41] <Ilya-X> ForgeAus: I haven't used Ubuntu much, but I believe its software center app lists the core software downloads individually, or highlights them in some manner... I might be wrong
[21:42] <ForgeAus> IM's are kewl but so yesterday in the face of microblogging
[21:42] <ForgeAus> many package managers categorize in various ways
[21:43] <Ilya-X> kpackagekit doesn't have any categorization whatsoever, that's what I'm kind of whining about right now
[21:44] <apparle> Ilya-X: usually for installing software..... find the app by google and then use "sudo apt-get install pidgin" not that difficult.... never think I would need a software center
[21:44] <anoneemouse> hi... after i upgraded to lucid my the ky next to <(on the right) produces a | character
[21:44] <anoneemouse> its difficult to explain since I can't type that character at all
[21:44] <skierpage> I run nightly 64-bit Firefox from http://ftp.mozilla.org in Kubuntu Lucid, but System Settings > Default Applications and other KDE machinery are unaware.  I assume I need to integrate a .desktop file... ??!
[21:45] <anoneemouse> i had the same problem in 9.04 but it was gone in 9.10, now its back
[21:45] <ForgeAus> apparle: firstly thatsnot difficult for a cli wizard but lots of people are looking for GUI solutions
[21:45] <ForgeAus> especially those unexperienced users...
[21:46] <Ilya-X> apparle: I actually think I like your earlier suggestion of using ubuntu software manager as a browser, since it would be pretty time-consuming to simply search for software on Google or kpackagekit without knowing where to start
[21:46] <apparle> ForgeAus: apt-get is not something that needs a cli wizard and usually the gui stuff don't show the error messages that sometime occur while install/uninstall of soem apps
[21:47] <anoneemouse> does someone know what could be causing my problem
[21:47] <anoneemouse> ?
[21:48] <apparle> anoneemouse: check if you have chosen the correct keyboard layou
[21:50] <anoneemouse> I disabled keyboard layouts
[21:50] <Walzmyn> I upgraded while Lucid was in Beta 2. In startup where I should have a pretty splash screen, I have a ugly purple background with scattered text. How do 	I fix this?
[21:50] <anoneemouse> brb
[21:51] <draik> I just upgraded my desktop to 10.04 and I don't have a desktop. I can run yakuake, but that's it. Everything else is pitch black.
[21:52] <Walzmyn> Also, when I burn a disk with K3b the trumpet fanfare is only one note. Anybody else having this issue?
[21:52] <draik> Anyone else get and resolve that issue?
[21:52] <Walzmyn> draik did you have desktop effects turned on?
[21:53] <draik> Walzmyn: I don't know. I don't have anything to go on. The only thing which launched was yakuake, it seems.
[21:53] <anoneemouse> nope... still displays the wrong character
[21:53] <anoneemouse> >>>
[21:53] <draik> I have no desktop to see any options
[21:54] <anoneemouse> kate shows the right character <>
[21:54] <Walzmyn> draik: i meant before the upgrade. I don't know what yakuake is. It sounds like you've got the special effects turned on, but you are using the nv driver - no 3d
[21:54] <Walzmyn> draik: i had that problem upgrading to 9.10
[21:55] <draik> Walzmyn: Yes, I did before the upgrade.
[21:55] <skierpage> Might the kubuntu-firefox-installer package integrate Firefox nightly better with Kubuntu?  As I said, just a frickin' .desktop file would go a long way...
[21:56] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> Hi friends
[21:56] <draik> Walzmyn: Going to reboot this desktop. BRB
[21:56] <Walzmyn> draik: I would be my guess you either need to get desktop effects turned off or upgrade you propritary drive, good luck with either one
[21:56] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> Is there a way to disable app launch effects ?
[21:57] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> Alt + F1 - very slow here
[21:57] <anoneemouse> yes there is Greylica_Ivan_Pa
[21:57] <anoneemouse> system settings
[21:57] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> Hi, how ?
[21:57] <anoneemouse> descktop
[21:57] <anoneemouse> launch feedback
[21:57] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> doing
[21:58] <anoneemouse> i've disabled my bouncing icons and opted for the taskbar notification only... which is just a small spinning animation
[21:59] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> :) Thanks anoneemouse
[21:59] <draik> Walzmyn: Rebooting did the trick. Weird. Is there a way to remove the Ubuntu splash screen for that of the Kubuntu splash screen?
[21:59] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> I've found
[22:00] <anoneemouse> np :)
[22:01] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> adapting myself to the new
[22:01] <ForgeAus> theres a u-splash   (I think thats one of the bootup gfx screens
[22:01] <ForgeAus> whatever package thats in is the one you want
[22:02] <draik> How do I change the startup splash screen. Right now, it has the Ubuntu screen with the 4 dots. I want the Kubuntu screen.
[22:05] <blackgraz> love the new kubuntu and the netbook remix
[22:05] <blackgraz> took alil getting used to
[22:05] <ForgeAus> really?
[22:06] <anoneemouse> >>
[22:09] <Walzmyn> draik: hey, was eating. I have that same question. Ubuntu one is ugly
[22:10] <anoneemouse> my spash screen looks hideous. I'm using NVidia drivers
[22:10] <draik>  I have the Kubuntu splash screen on my laptop and netbook, but my desktop has the Ubuntu splash screen with it's purpleness
[22:10] <Roger_Dogood> Yes, on initial install my nice blue kubuntu splash screen looked amazing but after I installed the Nvidia drivers it's terrible. All garbled and low resolution.
[22:11] <draik> Gone through every section of the System Settings and found nothing.
[22:11] <anoneemouse> yup Roger_Dogood, it's because the NVidia driovers don't support the splash screen for some reason
[22:11] <Roger_Dogood> :(
[22:11] <anoneemouse> i also had high resolution text mode, which was cool while it lasted
[22:12] <anoneemouse> but my upgrade had bad consequences, all the problems that i had in 9.04 are back