[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:47] <KnightPh0ne> morning
[15:36] <penguin42> Three's 'wunto' app logo is very confusing - the logo is interestingly curved and reminds me of hte early Ubuntu
[17:35] <marshmn> OT: anyone have a recommendation for ADSL router?
[17:35] <marshmn> mine seems to be playing up these days so I think it's time for a change...
[18:34] <daftykins> marshmn: you really still on ADSL? not VDSL etc
[18:35] <penguin421> daftykins: It's not available everywhere
[18:35] <daftykins> i know.
[18:35] <penguin421> daftykins: I can get ADSL here or cable but no vdsl
[18:36] <daftykins> reason i ask is it wouldn't be worth buying the former if there's even a chance of change in the future
[18:37] <penguin421> daftykins: well if you actually want some bits you may as well buy something to get you some bits
[18:39] <daftykins> i don't get what you're saying, you can either buy fixed ADSL only cheap devices or ones capable of both now, so i say make sure it's capable of both :)
[18:39] <marshmn> I'm on ADSL right now
[18:39] <daftykins> nothing else in your area?
[18:39] <marshmn> I could probably get VDSL
[18:39] <marshmn> I've not looked into it
[18:39] <daftykins> wouldn't hurt to just check before buying something
[18:39] <marshmn> maybe
[18:39] <penguin421> daftykins: I know people in areas where the VDSL is so bad it's not much better than ADSL
[18:40] <daftykins> do you rely solely on the router for the whole house too, or do you have any cabled infrastructure or other access points?
[18:40] <daftykins> penguin421: well it solely depends on line length, i still think it's better to have a device capable of both - i don't think you're really adding anything to this topic
[18:40] <marshmn> I only have a small flat, so it's not really much of a problem for things like that
[18:40] <daftykins> ah right, single device only then would probably do
[18:40] <marshmn> yes
[18:41] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Connections-UK-Archer-VR400/dp/B01LFGTEI6/
[18:41] <daftykins> this one would probably be cheap and cheerful enough
[18:41] <daftykins> i've put in the N600 only variant previously for a rented out house, supports both xDSL technologies too
[18:42] <penguin421> daftykins: It's not just line length, it's also how bad the line is - like whether it's some second rate twisted piece of corroding alumnium through a swamp with 200 other lines cuddling up to it over an arcing electrical connection and a squirrel
[18:42] <marshmn> daftykins: OK, thanks
[18:42] <daftykins> penguin421: yes my whole island uses solely it and i resolve the issues myself, please stop with the stating the obvious
[18:43] <penguin421> daftykins: OK, it's just I know a few friends who theoretically should be able to get great VDSL and have a disaster of a connection
[18:43] <daftykins> *nod* i'm sure there are service checkers over there to work out how far you are from your exchange, and local knowledge to know if you're in one of the nasty copper coated aluminium or worse spots
[18:44] <diddledan> daftykins: get BT broadband because they provide their best ever wireless conenction when you get their fixed-line.
[18:44]  * diddledan mumbles about stupid adverts
[18:44] <daftykins> ;)
[18:44] <daftykins> thankfully no BT down here
[18:44] <penguin421> diddledan: Have you tried it dangling out of a helicopter?
[18:45] <penguin421> daftykins: yeh you see that's your advantage
[18:45] <diddledan> and the one I saw tonight which gets stupid points is "good entertainment requires amazing wifi. virgin fibre broadband."
[18:45]  * penguin421 still moans it's not fibre
[18:46] <diddledan> yeah, there's the whole coax is not fibre too, but fixed line has no effect on the quality of my wifi
[18:46] <daftykins> heh yeah, also they all seem to toss around 'MB' in their literature
[18:46] <penguin421> nod
[18:47] <diddledan> daftykins: 100MegaBytes per Second?!
[18:47] <diddledan> :-o
[18:48] <daftykins> weird quirk i've identified with the xbox one bluray player app, it dims the screen during playback of one disc of a TV series after ~12 minutes, but doesn't do it to a movie title
[18:49] <daftykins> brb
[18:52] <marshmn> the main issue I'm having with my current router is that it seems to keep randomly switching into "AP isolation" mode and not letting any WiFi clients talk to each other even though they can all connect out
[18:52] <marshmn> what fun.
[19:00]  * penguin421 really likes using wires
[19:07] <daftykins> marshmn: that used to be a specific option mmm, does it actually have one and toggle it - or does the behaviour just change?
[19:07] <marshmn> there is an option - it just doesn't seem to do much
[19:08] <marshmn> or rather, it works ok for a while after a reboot...
[19:08] <marshmn> and then at some point stops letting things talk to each other
[19:08] <marshmn> the option remains in its 'disabled' state
[19:09] <daftykins> have you gone as far as a full factory reset? if so, sounds like game over time
[19:18] <marshmn> daftykins: yeah, been there and tried that
[19:18] <daftykins> yep sounds like a flaky piece o' kit then :>
[19:18] <daftykins> it's annoying how subtly they go wrong
[19:23] <zmoylan-pi> that's why hammers were invented... :-)
[21:33] <m0nkey_> daftykins is bothering Louis again
[21:33] <daftykins> :D
[21:33] <daftykins> and he copped out! he's just staying sick instead of fixing things! ;)
[21:34] <daftykins> i dunno why he persists with these GPU replacements, he doesn't even like them himself XD
[21:34] <m0nkey_> it pays the bills
[21:34] <m0nkey_> Now, do I want to buy a 1TB SSD?
[21:35] <daftykins> nah he has refused to do them for the last x number of years because it doesn't work, he only started recently because his pal said there was a good set of chips to buy that work - but they don't :D
[21:35] <daftykins> err for what?
[21:35] <m0nkey_> My computer. I'm low on space
[21:35] <daftykins> best combo is really still SSD for OS and mechanical for data, if it's a machine that can take one of each
[21:36] <m0nkey_> I have spinning disks in my NAS
[21:36] <m0nkey_> But it's not fast enough for what I want
[21:36] <daftykins> or add a second SSD for games
[21:36] <m0nkey_> The second SSD is for my Steam library
[21:36] <daftykins> ja same, well plus the other game platforms
[21:37] <daftykins> i still keep a local spinner for a copy of my music collection as well as my file server
[21:37] <m0nkey_> I never bought a spinning disk for this PC :)
[21:37] <m0nkey_> I thought 500GB would be enough
[21:37] <daftykins> so what are you running out on, the games one? i've filled my 512GB games SSD pretty easily
[21:38] <m0nkey_> I have a 500GB used as my single drive in my PC
[21:38] <m0nkey_> But most of that 500GB is Steam
[21:38] <m0nkey_> I'd say a good 80% :)
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> better cooling to condense the data? :-P
[21:38] <m0nkey_> lol
[21:39] <daftykins> yeah you want to separate those roles :P
[21:39] <m0nkey_> $350 is a lot to swallow for a SSD! lol
[21:41] <daftykins> well you're trying to put it all on one drive, which is ridiculous
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> price is coming down though, so there's that...
[21:42] <m0nkey_> lol
[21:42] <m0nkey_> This will be a second SSD
[21:42] <daftykins> right but it would've been better to have 2+ already :>
[21:43] <m0nkey_> lol
[21:43] <daftykins> i have my OS on M.2 and the games on a spare old SATA SSD
[21:43] <daftykins> as in, M.2 PCIe SSD
[21:45] <m0nkey_> sold
[21:46] <m0nkey_> I'm considering this purchase as payback for the wife going to Cuba this week
[21:46] <daftykins> :O and you didn't even get asked to carry the bags?
[21:47] <m0nkey_> No, I had to do that
[21:47] <m0nkey_> lol, looks like her flight has been delayed
[21:47] <m0nkey_> muhahaha
[21:47] <daftykins> oooh burn
[21:50] <m0nkey_> Just had an update, plane is delayed because people have been asked to leave the plane and they're having to get their luggage.
[21:51] <daftykins> they must be wearing leggings
[21:51] <daftykins> ;)
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> no no jeggings... for this jet age...
[21:53] <daftykins> ah har
[21:56] <diddledan> m0nkey_: why she going to cuba?
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> for the broadband...
[21:57] <daftykins> for the cigars!
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> and a bottle of rum...
[21:57] <m0nkey_> Sent her to buy me a bottle of rum
[21:58] <daftykins> :D
[21:58] <daftykins> i didn't even know there was anything about cuba and rum
[22:01] <daftykins> mmm paella time
[22:13] <m0nkey_> Looks like the plane has pushed back and is taxing
[22:13]  * m0nkey_ loves flightradar24.com
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> taxing... trying everyones nerves then... :-P
[22:14] <daftykins> mrs.m0nkey doesn't have to be taxing!
[22:15] <daftykins> hmm i wonder if that guy is still around, the one that did those history programs whilst cycling around on a yellow and pink bike
[22:15] <m0nkey_> *taxiing :P
[22:15] <daftykins> Adam Hart Davis
[22:16] <daftykins> "He also appeared in TV advertisements for HM Revenue & Customs with the catchphrase "tax doesn't have to be taxing". Following a statement from Hart-Davis, in which he mentioned the level of complexities within the UK tax system, his contract with HM Revenue & Customs ended."
[22:16] <daftykins> XD
[22:24] <daftykins> m0nkey_: ooh those melted balls... (Louis)
[22:25] <m0nkey_> lol
[22:25] <daftykins> that was neat hw
[22:25] <daftykins> *how you could see them melt then the chip glide into place
[22:40] <daftykins> i'm... kind of confused by that result
[22:42] <m0nkey_> Wife's flight has departed
[22:42] <daftykins> i heard that sigh from here ;)
[22:42] <m0nkey_> Only 2 hours late :)


[12:03] <iulian> #startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
[12:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 17 12:03:20 2014 UTC.  The chair is iulian. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[12:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[12:03] <iulian> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for September 17, 2014.
[12:03] <iulian> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:03] <iulian> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:04] <iulian> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:04] <iulian> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:04] <iulian> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:05] <iulian> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers amounts to at least +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[12:05] <iulian> #votesrequired 4
[12:05] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[12:06] <iulian> #voters marcoceppi jared Pendulum Destine rickspencer3 iulian
[12:06] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: rickspencer3
[12:06] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum iulian jared marcoceppi rickspencer3
[12:07] <iulian> It appears that vovd is not here.
[12:07] <iulian> Should we wait a bit more or move on to the next applicant?
[12:07] <rickspencer3> o/ all
[12:07] <rickspencer3> here now
[12:08] <marcoceppi> iulian: should we see if they join at the end?
[12:08] <iulian> #subtopic tinoco
[12:08] <jared> I think we should probably look at removing Valentino from the wiki page, they've missed many meetings now
[12:08] <tinoco> o/
[12:08] <iulian> tinoco: Hi, the stage is all yours.
[12:08] <tinoco> Hello, my name is Rafael David Tinoco and I'm 32 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tinoco & http://www.linkedin.com/in/rafaeltinoco/). I've been using Linux since I was 13 (started with Slackware and migrated to Debian and then Ubuntu). When I was 15, alternating between OLVWM and FVWM, I started reading all classical Unix books from Richard Stevens - Unix Networking Programming, Advanced Programming for Unix Environments, TCP/IP Illustrated 1/2 - and
[12:08] <tinoco>  this made me to become passioned about Operating Systems and Computer Architecture. In the age of 16 I started to work on Internet providers infrastructure and I could have a good understanding about networking. I spent the next 4 years alternating between jobs in the ".com" era, studying physics and using the first video4linux versions to provide solutions on University of Sao Paulo Physics Lab (Holographic Interferometry).
[12:08] <tinoco> When 20 I've started working for Sun Microsystems and became SPARC/CMT/Solaris Internals specialist but this did not me put away from Linux since I got the chance to dedicate good amount of time to HPC with Linux + OFED + Infiniband, having projected/installed/configured the TOP #69 machine in the Linpack TOP #500 rank in 2009. After leaving Sun I worked on a company called Locaweb (biggest cloud provider in Brazil) in the Linux engineering
[12:08] <tinoco>  team and one of my biggest achievements there was to create one connector + netlink taskstats daemon to measure resources consumption for cloud customers on over 1000 servers simultaneously. After that I spent sometime working for Red Hat as consultant/architect for their recent (at that time) KVM products but I got lucky to be called by IBM to enter in the Mainframe world.
[12:09] <tinoco> Next 3 years I spent learning System-z (s390, s390x) architecture, z/OS and z/VM concepts and, most important, Linux for System/z. I've implemented several Mainframes with Linux on huge Linux customers and I got so involved in the architecture (System/z) that IBM Linux on System z Lab, in Boeblingen, called me for a residency studying System-z NUMA effects on Linux scheduling decisions and to benchmark specific Mainframe milicode instructions
[12:09] <tinoco>  observing the same NUMA effects (for instructions such as Hipersockets). Finally I got invited to work at Canonical as a Linux Engineer for the Sustaining Engineering Group - providing fixes to the community and customers in the Ubuntu Advantage program.
[12:09] <tinoco> Passioned about open-source and since my whole background is based on servers, different architectures/infrastructures and internals, my special interest is to help Ubuntu community in specific areas: providing fixes to userland and kernel areas related to Networking, Storage, Infiniband, Scalability, High Availability, like I've been doing for the last 6 months (Pacemaker, Corosync, Kernel Namespaces & Containers).
[12:11] <rickspencer3> hi tinoco
[12:11] <tinoco> Hello
[12:12] <rickspencer3> tinoco, so, that is a paste of your wiki page, I guess?
[12:12] <tinoco> rickspencer3: this is an introduction i just created for the channel. the wiki is a bit different saying things I've been contributing for the last months
[12:13] <iulian> tinoco: I can see that you aren't a member of any of the community teams. You've mentioned that you're dealing with kernel bugs and things related to it. Do you plan to join the bug squad or bug control teams in the near future?
[12:13] <tinoco> iulian: totally
[12:13] <iulian> I suppose it'd be a bit hard to do your job if you aren't in the bug control team.
[12:14] <tinoco> iulian: well today bugs are brought to my attention through Ubuntu Advantaged and from other teams as well (like Ubuntu Kernel Team)
[12:14] <iulian> tinoco: I'm very happy with the work you're doing but I would very much like to see more community involvement. Do you think you could work on that in the future?
[12:15] <tinoco> iulian: Thats my intention.
[12:15] <rickspencer3> tinoco, to build on what iulian asked,  you mentioned sponsoring in your wiki page, have you had any opportunities to help community members get fixes into Ubuntu?
[12:15] <tinoco> iulian: and the one thing I would say I need to "improve": to better understand community needs and way-of-work
[12:16] <tinoco> rickspencer3: yes. i've helped some other users to provide fixes for packages
[12:16] <tinoco> explaining about patching/packaging and giving examples on SRU way-of-do
[12:16] <Pendulum> tinoco: why do you want to be an Ubuntu Member?
[12:17] <tinoco> Pendulum: I was always passioned about Ubuntu and the community but I never had the opportunity im having right now to better help the community (several private contracts/work before)
[12:17] <tinoco> i would love to take the opportunity and starting to give back several things i used from community (and being using so far)
[12:20] <iulian> Thanks tinoco for your answers.
[12:20] <jared> Is there anyone here to cheer on tinoco that hasn't commented on the wiki application?
[12:20] <iulian> Any more questions for tinoco?
[12:21] <iulian> OK, let's vote then.
[12:21] <iulian> #vote tinoco to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:21] <meetingology> Please vote on: tinoco to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[12:21] <iulian> +1
[12:21] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[12:21] <marcoceppi> +1
[12:21] <meetingology> +1 received from marcoceppi
[12:21] <rickspencer3> +1
[12:21] <meetingology> +1 received from rickspencer3
[12:22] <Destine> +1
[12:22] <meetingology> +1 received from Destine
[12:22] <Pendulum> +0
[12:22] <meetingology> +0 received from Pendulum
[12:22] <jared> +1
[12:22] <meetingology> +1 received from jared
[12:22] <iulian> #endvote
[12:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: tinoco to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:22] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[12:22] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:23] <iulian> tinoco: Congratulations and welcome aboard.
[12:23] <tinoco> Thanks guys, really appreciate.. I'm Really happy with this!!!
[12:23] <tinoco> Hope to do a good job :)
[12:24] <iulian> tinoco: Keep up the good work and please do get more involved with the community. :-)
[12:24] <tinoco> iulian: will sure do
[12:24] <iulian> mbruzek: Hello. Could you please introduce yourself?
[12:24] <iulian> #subtopic mbruzek
[12:24] <mbruzek> Hello my name is Matthew Bruzek.  A long time Linux enthusiast who has been using Ubuntu for the past five years.  An active member of LInux User Group (http://k-lug.org) where I have given several technical presentations (and played disc golf with them last night!).  I am have created and presented a Linux Introduction class for the local Community Education department. Active with the local makerspace, where we use Ubunt
[12:24] <mbruzek> u for our computer projects.
[12:24] <mbruzek> You can find my wiki page at:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[12:25] <mbruzek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mbruzek
[12:28] <jared> mbruzek: good to see you out and about sharing stuff, is most of your participation in the LUG Ubuntu related?
[12:29] <mbruzek> jared No.  I have given presentations on several different topics.  Our LUG is full of people with different Linux distributions.
[12:29] <mbruzek> The latest presentation was Ubuntu related, but the past 2 presentations were about other topics.
[12:30] <jared> mbruzek: fair enough, curious as some LUGs get very protective around particular distributions so like hearing how others go
[12:31] <mbruzek> My last presentation was about Juju.  There is a link to the Prezi that I created for the meeting.
[12:31] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: do you have any plans to join a loco in your area?
[12:32] <mbruzek> marcoceppi, Yes, I have contacted Tony Yassaro the MN LoCo leader.  There are no meetings in my home town, but I do plan to attend one at some point in the future.
[12:34] <iulian> Thanks for your answers mbruzek.
[12:34] <iulian> #vote mbruzek to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:34] <meetingology> Please vote on: mbruzek to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:34] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[12:34] <iulian> +1
[12:34] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[12:34] <marcoceppi> +1
[12:34] <meetingology> +1 received from marcoceppi
[12:34] <rickspencer3> +1
[12:34] <meetingology> +1 received from rickspencer3
[12:34] <jared> +1
[12:34] <meetingology> +1 received from jared
[12:35] <Pendulum> +1
[12:35] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[12:35] <jared> mbruzek: good to see community engagement across multiple channels
[12:35] <iulian> Destine?
[12:35] <Destine> +1
[12:35] <meetingology> +1 received from Destine
[12:35] <iulian> #endvote
[12:35] <meetingology> Voting ended on: mbruzek to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:35] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[12:35] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:35] <mbruzek> jared, Thank you.  It would be my honor to be an Ubuntu Community member!
[12:35] <iulian> mbruzek: Congrats!
[12:35] <mbruzek> Thank you all!
[12:36] <jared> Congratulations mbruzek & tinoco, well done. Keep up the good work
[12:36] <iulian> #endmeeting
[12:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep 17 12:36:47 2014 UTC.
[12:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-17-12.03.moin.txt
[12:36] <tinoco> Thanks jared! Thank you all!
[12:37] <jose> thanks guys, and please don't forget to send an email with the details so we can include it in the next UWN!
[12:37] <mbruzek> jose,  Send an email to whom?
[12:38] <jared> jose: already mentioned ;) Thanks for adding your comments to the application, makes life simpler with good testimonials.
[12:38] <jared> mbruzek: the board send an email to the news team to advise them of the new members :)
[12:38] <jose> mbruzek: the News Team always likes to feature new members in the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, so we ask membership boards members to send us an email
[12:38] <jose> jared: my pleasure to always support good community members :)


[00:24] <jbicha> Laney: tooltips?
[01:02] <jbicha> annoyed again that indicator-datetime isn't in the desktop set
[09:30] <Laney> yes. put your mouse over them


[04:29] <Kilos> morning all
[05:40] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[05:47] <kbmonkey> Hi Kilos
[05:48] <Kilos> hi charl
[06:36] <kbmonkey> Kilos: https://asciinema.org/a/13520
[06:36] <Kilos> i go see
[06:39] <Kilos> kbmonkey, is that the stickbooted
[06:41] <Kilos> or unetbootin wanting to make the stick still
[06:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey,
[06:43] <kbmonkey> Yep, unetboot
[06:44] <kbmonkey> Cool recording terminal commands like that.
[06:50] <Kilos> lol
[07:11] <Kilos> i like unetbootin have had one not work yet
[07:21] <kbmonkey> It is still going kilos
[07:22] <kbmonkey> all I want to do is install ubuntu
[07:23] <Kilos> normally it seems to hang for a while
[07:24] <Kilos> is it 66% i think then all of a sudden its done
[07:25] <Kilos> but should take about 5 mins
[07:25] <Kilos> you got something wrong with that stick
[07:26]  * Kilos mails the monkey a blank dvd
[07:27] <kbmonkey> All sticks do this. Yes at 55% it hits a lage file. Progress only updates per file
[07:27] <Kilos> how come you always have prob making sticks
[07:27] <kbmonkey> Its the pc I tell you
[07:28] <Kilos> must be
[07:28] <kbmonkey> I only have probs with ubuntu. :(
[07:28] <Kilos> when in doubt use a hammer, the larger the doubt the larger the hammer
[07:28] <kbmonkey> Cursed
[07:28] <kbmonkey> Ha ha thx Kilos :)
[07:29] <Kilos> hehe
[07:29] <Kilos> i actually did battle to install ubuntu from a stick once onto a tinycorelinux drive
[07:29] <kbmonkey> 'df' says 950MB written so it's near done yey
[07:30] <Kilos> oh good
[07:30] <Kilos> had to fdisk it then all went fine
[07:30] <kbmonkey> Maybe I go for a walk. It gets done when I get back
[07:30] <kbmonkey> Ya I like fdisk
[07:31] <kbmonkey> I see they changed fdisk menus. Looks more organized.
[07:32] <Kilos> i just use fdisk off a win 98 cd
[07:32] <kbmonkey> Need more weekend. Want to do too much
[07:32] <Kilos> then no need to learn new stuffs
[07:32] <Kilos> im really struggling with html
[07:33] <Kilos> its so simple and easy to understand if you can just remember the tag goodies
[07:33] <kbmonkey> What part of html are you learning now?
[07:34] <Kilos> still near the beginning , going over and over to try get it in head
[07:34] <Kilos> actually looks like a lekker language
[07:34] <Kilos> and easy to use
[07:35] <kbmonkey> Ja it is. I want to do more of javascript myself
[07:35] <Kilos> i can at least now remember <html> and <head> and <title> and how to close them
[07:35] <kbmonkey> Do you have a site idea you are trying to make to learn?
[07:36] <Kilos> nope
[07:36] <kbmonkey> Oh what editor do you write in Kilos ?
[07:36] <Kilos> i dont want to make a site i just want to learn how to fix them
[07:36] <Kilos> kate
[07:36] <kbmonkey> sjoe diving in deep. :)
[07:36] <Kilos> hehe
[07:37] <Kilos> i dont have a unity running anywhere anymore
[07:37] <kbmonkey> Any decent editor will close tags for you. I pse geany, and gedit will too.
[07:37] <kbmonkey> KDE?
[07:38] <Kilos> oh i have xubuntu on another pc i can try that with gedit
[07:38] <Kilos> ya kubuntu
[07:38] <kbmonkey> Okay
[07:38] <Kilos> but the doing the text isnt the prob its remembering thats alltext
[07:39] <Kilos> dunno where that last text came from
[07:39] <kbmonkey> True
[07:40] <kbmonkey> It is easier if you have a goal or know what you want to fix
[07:40] <kbmonkey> Otherwise there is too much to learn at once :)
[07:40] <Kilos> i wanted to go fix sites on that other thing
[07:40] <Kilos> clickworker
[07:41] <Kilos> they got 40 000 need fixing
[07:41] <Kilos> but i dont want to start and messup then they block you out
[07:43] <Kilos> mornsup
[07:43] <Kilos> ai!
[07:43] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:43] <Kilos> morn tab dont work
[07:45] <kbmonkey> Clicbworker huh? Looks interesting. I don't see any place of job listings
[07:46] <Kilos> you have to do their evaluation thing then they decide what you are qualified to do and offer you stuff
[07:47] <kbmonkey> Have you done the evaluation?
[07:47] <Kilos> ya
[07:48] <Kilos> both i think or 3
[07:48] <Kilos> basic stuff they ask
[07:48] <kbmonkey> It is like elance but I don't think you will need to change website code Kilos :)
[07:49] <kbmonkey> Looks like copy-editing and tagging
[07:49] <Kilos> i went on then they give you what must be done
[07:49] <Kilos> thats simple enough
[07:49] <Kilos> but remembering what to do isnt simple
[07:50] <kbmonkey> Good good
[07:50] <kbmonkey> Nice to keep busy
[07:50] <Kilos> i went on with ian and he said its all basic if you follow their instructions
[07:51] <Kilos> things like a car tire in a grocery page
[07:51] <kbmonkey> Like a picture, or text?
[07:51] <Kilos> i can see thats in the wrong place but cant remember what they said to do with it
[07:51] <Kilos> pictures
[07:52] <Kilos> proper webpages
[07:52] <kbmonkey> Is there not a job description or requirement to say what needs to be done?
[07:53] <Kilos> yes a full explanation
[07:53] <Kilos> its only the remembering man
[07:53] <Kilos> kop doff
[07:53] <Kilos> fixing links too i think
[07:54] <Kilos> lets say that tire in grocery store
[07:55] <Kilos> i know its wrong just bang to sommer delete it. might need to find where it should be and move it to there
[07:55] <Kilos> by then ive forgotten where i started
[07:56] <Kilos> hehe
[07:56] <kbmonkey> Just keep the job reuuirement open on a second tab and refer to it when you forget.
[07:56] <kbmonkey> Work smart
[07:57] <Kilos> lol
[07:57] <kbmonkey> It's not about remembering, otherwise I'll never get my work done! My memory like a siv ;)
[07:58] <kbmonkey> I make todo list. Lists of what I did, lists of what to do. Lists of lists!
[07:59] <kbmonkey> Cos I forget
[07:59] <kbmonkey> Usb done!
[08:02] <Kilos> yay that took long
[08:02] <Kilos> lets hope it works
[08:02] <Kilos> man for me its all about the remembering
[08:03] <Kilos> too min ram and corrupt swap partition
[08:11] <kbmonkey> The usb booted this time. I chose all the install options, it is now showing a busy cursor.
[08:11] <kbmonkey> Not sure if it is working.
[08:11] <Kilos> yay
[08:11] <Kilos> ya then must be working
[08:11] <kbmonkey> It does not show progress. It is stuck on the user name selection screen
[08:12] <kbmonkey> Mouse moves
[08:12] <Kilos> patience
[08:12] <kbmonkey> :(
[08:12] <Kilos> lol
[08:12] <kbmonkey> I want more weekend lol
[08:12] <kbmonkey> Impatient
[08:12] <Kilos> it seems to be doing nothing but it is working in the background
[08:13] <Kilos> would be better if it showed what its doing all the time
[08:13] <kbmonkey> I have not even a chance to look what neels has added to the revaluation wiki!  Clear my head. Let Ubuntu work :)
[08:14] <kbmonkey> A watched pot never boils
[08:17] <kbmonkey> I have FreeBSD too I want to install.  Its still waiting at the same place :(
[08:55] <kbmonkey> Sigh
[08:55] <Kilos> patience
[08:55] <Kilos> it took so long to make the stick that most likely the install will take ages too
[08:56] <Kilos> something not happy on that drive
[08:56] <kbmonkey> I'm losing hope
[08:56] <Kilos> or maybe you have to hit an install button or just enter
[08:57] <kbmonkey> I did hit the install button. It greyed out and it's waiting since
[08:57] <Kilos> what is on that drive
[08:57] <Kilos> well if its greayed then its working
[08:58] <Kilos>  what is on that drive
[08:58] <Kilos> ???
[08:59] <kbmonkey> Partitions
[08:59] <kbmonkey> Why?
[08:59] <Kilos> something in there isnt happy
[08:59] <kbmonkey> No errors in sys logs
[08:59] <kbmonkey> It's not windows
[09:00] <Kilos> an install that takes 30mins is a battling install
[09:00] <kbmonkey> Must reboot pc out the first floor window
[09:00] <Kilos> no man fix it
[09:00] <Kilos> what is on the other partitions
[09:00] <kbmonkey> Ubuntu 10.04
[09:01] <kbmonkey> Well its formatted oler now
[09:01] <Kilos> did it give the option to install alongside?
[09:01] <kbmonkey> Over
[09:01] <kbmonkey> Yes. I chose not to
[09:01] <Kilos> what else is on there
[09:01] <kbmonkey> format the old
[09:02] <kbmonkey> My debian
[09:02] <Kilos> is there anything on that drive you want to keep
[09:02] <kbmonkey> Yes. Its all my work on there
[09:02] <Kilos> oi
[09:02] <kbmonkey> Also Mint
[09:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:03] <kbmonkey> Partitioned for 3 OS's
[09:03] <Kilos> \ok then rstart it and choose the run live option
[09:03] <kbmonkey> That is little
[09:03] <kbmonkey> Okay oom. Good call !
[09:04] <Kilos> i had a kde that battled with installing till i ran it  live then installed from there
[09:04] <kbmonkey> Work is backed up. I just don't want to destroy the parts
[09:04] <kbmonkey> It's this unetbootin I tell ya
[09:05] <kbmonkey> Running disc checker now
[09:05] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[09:06] <Kilos> disk checker checks the stick
[09:06] <kbmonkey> I know
[09:06] <kbmonkey> No errrors found
[09:06] <Kilos> ya inetbootin is good
[09:06] <Vince-0> Haai
[09:06] <Kilos> run it live and see
[09:07] <Vince-0> kbmonkey, Kilos
[09:07] <Vince-0> wat se julle
[09:07] <kbmonkey> Hi Vince-0
[09:07] <Kilos> die apie sukkel man
[09:07] <kbmonkey> Need new hardware
[09:08] <kbmonkey> Live works
[09:09] <Kilos> ok in live on the desktop is an icon to install
[09:09] <Kilos> try that
[09:11] <Kilos> also you need to see how many partitions you made primary
[09:11] <Kilos> only 4 allowed
[09:12] <Kilos> so you have mint and 10.04 there already
[09:12] <Kilos> only root parts should be in primary if you using so many systems
[09:13] <Kilos> everything else in logical i think its called
[09:13] <kbmonkey> Of course. 3 primary and one extended with 5 sub partitions. This is nothing new, I've had this layout for a year at least.
[09:14] <kbmonkey> I think my usb ports are shot
[09:14] <kbmonkey> It is stuck at the same place
[09:16] <kbmonkey> I try again another day. Will burn a DVD instead
[09:19] <Kilos> sorry power died
[09:19] <Kilos> what i missed
[09:22] <kbmonkey> I'll get a dvd tomorrow and try that way Kilos :)
[09:22] <Kilos> it isnt unetbootin
[09:22] <Kilos> how many primary partitions are used with the other systems
[09:37] <gremble> o/
[09:37] <Kilos> hi gremble
[09:38] <gremble> Anything interesting happening?
[09:39] <Kilos> only my monkey battling
[09:39] <gremble> What what is your monkey battling?
[09:39] <Kilos> he cant get 14.10 to install from stick
[09:40] <Kilos> kbmonkey, !!
[09:41] <Kilos> coooowwweeeeee
[09:41] <Kilos> bananas in the ears again
[09:41] <gremble> This girl is about to get killed by a creepy clown
[09:41] <gremble> D:
[09:42] <Kilos> what are you watching
[09:42] <gremble> Supernatural
[09:42] <Kilos> ah
[09:42] <gremble> I usually don't watch series
[09:42] <gremble> but I can't get myself to do anything else
[09:42] <gremble> So now I am sitting here in self-loathing and watching this
[09:43] <kbmonkey> Happy horror halloween
[09:43] <Kilos> hehe
[09:43] <Kilos> monkey
[09:43] <Kilos> talk to me dammit
[09:43] <kbmonkey> About what Kilos
[09:43] <Kilos> about this install man
[09:44] <kbmonkey> I wana make green bean curry
[09:44] <Kilos> you havent answered the last 4 questions
[09:44] <Kilos> mail me some too
[09:44] <kbmonkey> Ill try with a dvd in the week
[09:44] <Kilos> you say you have backed up everything
[09:45] <Kilos> then boot from stick and go install then choose  erase and use entire disk
[09:45] <kbmonkey> gremble: I watched the walking dead on halloween. It is great
[09:45] <Kilos> stick must work
[09:46] <Kilos> your prob isnt with the install media but with everything on the drive
[09:46] <Kilos> dvd will be even slower
[09:46] <kbmonkey> No Kilos.  I am not destroying my other partitions. All my development tools are on there and I don't have the bandwidth or inclination to set those up again.
[09:46] <Kilos> sjoe. no spare drive?
[09:47] <kbmonkey> No.  My current installs work good.
[10:00] <kbmonkey> I suspect faulty usb ports
[10:00] <Vince-0> aganee
[10:01] <kbmonkey> nope Kilos my partitions are all good.
[10:01] <Kilos> ok
[10:02] <kbmonkey> I give up today till I get the dvd tomorrow :)
[10:02] <Kilos> w2ell lets see what a dvd does
[10:02] <kbmonkey> Run out of time
[10:02] <kbmonkey> Need to start cooking!
[10:02] <Kilos> time always too min
[10:02] <gremble> You can also try dd if unetbootin doesn't work
[10:03] <gremble> I've completely switched over to using dd for my linux booting needs
[10:03] <kbmonkey> Eish ubuntu maak my tiete lam
[10:03] <Kilos> lol
[10:03] <Vince-0> use fedora!
[10:04] <kbmonkey> gremble: I love dd. It works every time except with ubuntu. It's a halloween curse I tell ya :)
[10:04] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:04] <kbmonkey> Vince-0: I got FreeBSD I want to give a go with actually
[10:04] <gremble> It doesn't work with ubuntu?
[10:04] <Vince-0> sjoe that's brave
[10:04] <gremble> That is fantastic
[10:04] <gremble> FreeBSD is very nice
[10:05] <gremble> It is just an effort to get desktop things to set up
[10:05] <gremble> Also can't use unetbootin/dd for *BDS as it does not have the syslinux hack to let it boot up
[10:07] <Kilos> standby ThatGraemeGuy ?
[10:07] <kbmonkey> I'r keen to get more hands-on with the install process. The point is to learn more about it :)
[10:07] <gremble> FreeBSD install process is automated. Try Gentoo/Arch if you want to play with the install process
[10:10] <gremble> Not that I am trying to disuade you from using FreeBSD. TI is awesome
[10:10] <gremble> It even
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, minetest :)
[11:09] <charl> good afternoon
[11:19] <Kilos> hi charl
[11:19] <Kilos> wb not_found
[11:19] <Kilos> long time since you been lost
[11:22] <not_found> nope, it is standard for me
[11:27] <Kilos> hehe
[11:53] <charl> hi Kilos
[11:53] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:53]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:53] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[11:53] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[11:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[11:57] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[11:57] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[12:04] <gremble> I have to do two cartoons for the newspaper but I have no inspiration to draw
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> ooh load shedding, thanks eskom
[12:08] <gremble> Well yes. They have to cut costs in infrastructure to afford the directors' salaries
[12:09] <gremble> They are doing a bang-up job and therefore have to get paid a lot
[12:22] <Kilos> hehe
[14:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:20] <gremble> I tea keeps being finished whenever I look at my mug
[14:20] <gremble> I think someone is stealing it
[14:20] <Kilos> lol
[14:21] <Kilos> ive started making tea in a 1 litre stork container then topping up my beer mug as needed
[14:21] <Kilos> also saves beer mugs from cracking
[14:21] <gremble> You are a genius
[14:22] <Kilos> na just lazy, lazy peeps always look for the easy way out
[14:23] <gremble> People that are both lazy and creative are the best kinds of people
[14:24] <Kilos> haha
[14:25] <Kilos> being a mechanic you learn to make things that work. often you cant get some tool into a certain space or angle so you make your own
[14:27] <gremble> I know about that part
[14:27] <gremble> My bakkie uses a really weird size nut for the oil sump
[14:27] <gremble> We had to go borrow a special socket
[14:27] <Kilos> ive made things over the years and now find one can buy similar things
[14:27] <gremble> Afterward we just welded a proper nut onto the sump nut. Now it works fine
[14:27] <gremble> xD
[14:28] <Kilos> ask the pro
[14:29] <Kilos> yip make things work the way you want them
[14:29] <bushtech> why do "people" always feel the sump plug needs to be tightened till your eyes pop out?
[14:29] <bushtech> Grrrrrrrrrr
[14:29] <Kilos> bringing the same attitude to computers gave many gray hairs though
[14:29] <Kilos> ya thats stupid hey
[14:30] <Kilos> best is to put pressure on the spanner then whack the plug with a hammer
[14:31] <bushtech> slight deformation of threads?
[14:31] <Kilos> those hydraulic impact wrenches often work
[14:31] <Kilos> no man not with a 4 lb hammer
[14:31] <Kilos> you just need the shock effect
[14:32] <gremble> I just want to know why it comes in a weird American size
[14:33] <Kilos> the whole idea is to make it so you take the vehicle in and pay
[14:34] <gremble> Screw them
[14:34] <Kilos> like with all modern cars you need computer diagnostic equipment to fault find for you
[14:34] <gremble> haha
[14:34] <gremble> No, I have a simple Bantam Bakkie
[14:34] <Kilos> good
[14:34] <gremble> It barely has powersteering
[14:34] <bushtech> buying the right socket size a whole lot cheaper than a service
[14:35] <Kilos> i have a large set of metrinch tools
[14:35] <Kilos> they fir everything
[14:35] <Kilos> fit
[14:35] <gremble> We couldn't find one. My grandfather knows a mechanic though, so we got one there
[14:35] <Kilos> but cost an arm and half a leg
[14:35] <Kilos> you in pta hey?
[14:36] <gremble> Ya
[14:36] <Kilos> small parts centre and some others i forget
[14:36] <Kilos> small tool centre
[14:37] <Kilos> just get the single sockets you need , ratchets and power bars are standard
[14:38] <gremble> I will keep that in mind.
[14:38] <gremble> Thanks
[14:38] <Kilos> there is actually another manufacturer that has followed the metrinch pattern for sockets
[14:38] <Kilos> i cant remember who
[14:38] <Kilos> gedore maybe
[14:39] <gremble> I think my father has a gedore set, or my brother has it now
[14:39] <gremble> had*
[14:39] <Kilos> those metrinch sockets are magic. you can file all the corners off a bolt and it still loosens them
[14:40] <Kilos> metrinch doesnt have the many notches it is a 6 sided socket
[14:40] <gremble> I dislike working on cars though haha
[14:40] <Kilos> with rounded grip faces
[14:41] <Kilos> working on your own is fine
[14:41] <gremble> No it is not haha
[14:41] <Kilos> working on other peeps cars is a pain
[14:41] <gremble> I would prefer not having to worry about it
[14:42] <Kilos> "since you fixed my carburettor my back brakes jam all the time" etc etc
[14:42] <Kilos> hate fixing other peeps stuff
[14:42] <Kilos> pcs is different i enjoy that
[14:44] <Kilos> and dont charge anyway so there cant be comebacks
[14:44] <gremble> I hate it when you don't charge and there are comebacks
[14:44] <gremble> As if everything I do comes with a warranty
[14:45] <Kilos> i mainly help my son on the odd occasion fix clients drives or recover data etc
[14:46] <Kilos> rest of the time i play freecell
[14:49] <Kilos> and forget to remember what i must remember to remember
[14:49] <gremble> I have no idea how freecell works
[14:50] <Kilos> its lekker time consuming and mahjong
[14:50] <gremble> Damn it is difficult to draw anime >.>
[14:51] <Kilos> ask my daughter
[14:53] <Kilos> http://kaiverta.deviantart.com/art/Wake-Up-Sleepy-Head-217131144
[14:53] <Kilos> is that anime
[15:25] <charl> doesn't look like it
[15:28] <Kilos> i have no idea what anime is but i know she does it
[15:29] <charl> this is more anime http://kaiverta.deviantart.com/art/hollow-ichigo-478513589
[15:29] <charl> not anime, manga
[15:29] <charl> anime is animated manga
[15:29] <charl> but i'm looking at her stuff now, she's very talented nevertheless !
[15:32] <Kilos> thats how she makes a living, with her art
[17:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:31] <kbmonkey> how is the site fixing-learning going Kilos
[17:31] <Kilos> i did nothing today sir
[17:32] <Kilos> just loafed
[17:32] <Kilos> hows the bean curry?
[17:33] <kbmonkey> very good
[17:33] <Kilos> email some
[17:33] <kbmonkey> it was too hot for the wire ;)
[17:33] <Kilos> i shoulda been an injun i can live on curry
[17:33] <Kilos> haha
[17:33] <kbmonkey> it says virus detected when I try attach it to email!
[17:34] <Kilos> hehehe
[17:34] <Kilos> change the .exe to .food
[17:34] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:36] <Kilos> load shedding because of a silo that holds coal cracking up
[17:36] <Kilos> at our biggest power station
[17:36] <Kilos> sigh
[17:37] <Kilos> now another investigation committee will be setup i spose
[17:37] <kbmonkey> really?! that sounds pretty darn dangerous
[17:38] <Kilos> they say its due to lack of maintenance and vaardighede
[17:38] <Kilos> i cant think of the english word
[17:39] <Kilos> something like experience
[17:39] <Kilos> watching the news can be quite funny at times
[17:39] <kbmonkey> competance?
[17:39] <Kilos> thats the word ty
[17:39] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[17:39] <Kilos> competence
[17:39] <kbmonkey> add "in" before that
[17:40] <Kilos> Maaz, define competence
[17:40] <Maaz> Kilos: Competence \Com"pe*tence\, Competency \Com"pe*ten*cy\, n. [Cf. F. comp['e]tence, from L. competentia agreement.] 1. The state of being competent; fitness; ability; adequacy; power. [1913 Webster]  The loan demonstrates, in regard to instrumental resources, the competency of this kingdom to the assertion of the common cause.        --Burke. [1913 Webster]  To
[17:40] <Maaz> make them act zealously is not in the competence of law.                               -…
[17:40] <Kilos> ai!
[17:40] <Kilos> incompetency
[17:41] <kbmonkey> this bot is incompetant sometimes
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, define incompetant
[17:41] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about incompetant. Maybe you meant Incompetent or incompetent?
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, define incompetent
[17:41] <Maaz> Kilos: Incompetent \In*com"pe*tent\, a. [L. incompetens: cf. F. incomp['e]tent. See {In-} not, and {Competent}.] [1913 Webster] 1. Not competent; wanting in adequate strength, power, capacity, means, qualifications, or the like; incapable; unable; inadequate; unfit. [1913 Webster]  Incompetent to perform the duties of the place. --Macaulay. [1913 Webster]  2. (Law)
[17:41] <Maaz> Wanting the legal or constitutional qualifications; inadmissible; as, a person professed…
[17:41] <Kilos> ya that
[17:42] <Kilos> and the reason why some cops cant fill in charge sheets is because there isnt enough money for training
[17:43] <kbmonkey> it's a hard job
[17:44] <Kilos> ya looks like
[17:44] <Kilos> and 2 eskom employess caught with 2 stolen transformers worth 650k
[17:58] <kbmonkey> hectic
[18:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:19] <magespawn> good evening
[19:24] <kbmonkey> evening.
[19:25] <kbmonkey> kilos went to bed already
[19:27] <magespawn> hi kbmonkey
[19:27] <magespawn> must have been a long weekend for the oom
[19:29] <kbmonkey> he mentioned power cycling
[19:29] <kbmonkey> load shedding, that's it
[19:29] <kbmonkey> apparently there is a crack in one of the coal silo's
[19:37] <magespawn> yes, i saw a picture today, apparently the whole thing has collapsed
[19:38] <kbmonkey> oh dear
[21:30] <magespawn> good night all