[20:28] <bekks> gagalicious: the DHCP server.
[20:28] <ozbrk> hi guys there is a strange dpkg lock issue terminls keep me saying that I am root. I tried sudo dpkg --configure -a command andnothing happened any sugestions ?
[20:29] <bekks> ozbrk: What does it tell you exactly?
[20:30] <gagalicious> one more question... i would like to allow all my pxeclients to have root access individually. instead of having too many "multiple copies of the os"... i would like to save some diskspace. last time i did 8 pxe clients having their own nfsroot.. my question is thus... which files are not modified and shareable as nfsroot so i can symlink those folders? does anyone know?
[20:30] <ozbrk> E: Kilit dosyası /var/lib/dpkg/lock açılamadı - open (13: Erişim engellendi) E: Yönetim dizini (/var/lib/dpkg/) kilitlenemiyor, root kullanıcısı mısınız? (Translation: Lock file (file) could not be opened  (13: acces denied) E: (/var/lib/dpkg/) couldn't be locked are you in superuser mode root) ? ?
[20:30] <zykotick9> !aptlock | ozbrk
[20:31] <k1l> ozbrk: what command did you use exactly?
[20:31] <ozbrk> again nothing pronted to sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a command and it is still not working
[20:32] <ozbrk> kill: dunno last thing I rememberd I tried to install adobe photoshop here yet it couldn't installed because of an unknown ptrogram issue
[20:33] <gagalicious> great job guys on ubuntu 14.04 ... it's great! i cant say how satisfied i am with it... all i can say is... let's just forget about 15 and 16 and 99s... let's stick with 14.04 ok? :D thanks
[20:33] <bekks> gagalicious: Keep one nfsroot image, and serve the userhomes via nfs, too.
[20:34] <ozbrk> by the way yes ubuntu 15 is greate I have no screen tearing or other issues google chrome rendering pages correctly and evert thing is fine except the bass and that dpkg issue.
[20:34] <gagalicious> bekks : i need all of them having root access... i would like them to use root access but i dont want them to mess up root for every pxe client. which folders should i do read only? or can i just do read only to the system files?
[20:34] <ozbrk> I wish there is a powerful photo editing tool. GIMP is not enough for you if you are a photographer :(
[20:35] <bekks> gagalicious: Either you grant them root access, or you dont want them to mess up the image for all of them.
[20:35] <bekks> gagalicious: And serving an actual image, doesnt harm the original.
[20:35] <ozbrk> strange
[20:36] <ozbrk> I just tried  sudo su and it worked
[20:36] <bekks> ozbrk: Dont use sudo su, use sudo -i or sudo -s instead
[20:37] <ozbrk> bekks: just testing a theory how I could get the root privilages if the dpkg is locked ?
[20:37] <mablae> bekks, Could you explain further ?
[20:37] <gagalicious> granting root access... to all pxeclients... is that wise?
[20:37] <gagalicious> with just one image i mean... which i cant do read only
[20:37] <ozbrk> bekks: Besides apt-update is working under thesudo su
[20:37] <gagalicious> i thought i can do read only on nfs mounts
[20:38] <bekks> ozbrk: sudo su is a bad idea, use sudo -i or sudo -s instead
[20:38] <bekks> gagalicious: granting root access to clients is not wise, no.
[20:38] <k1l> ozbrk: mablae sudo su sets the wrong env. so use the sudi -i or sudo -s. else dont complain about stuff crashing or not working
[20:38] <ozbrk> bekks: can you explain why and what is the diference
[20:38] <gagalicious> how do i speed up nfs? there's a nfs file caching right? i'm using nfs4... how do i configure it?
[20:38] <k1l> !sudo | ozbrk
[20:38] <bekks> ozbrk: The difference is the wrong environemnt which is used by sudo su
[20:39] <ozbrk> giving root privilages to a root folder lol yes that seems a bad idea
[20:39] <gagalicious> i need to run a particular command for all my clients that must use root...
[20:39] <bekks> gagalicious: Use sudo then.
[20:39] <gagalicious> but i dont want them to run additional commands. just 1 command
[20:39] <bekks> gagalicious: Configure sudo accordingly.
[20:40] <gagalicious> bekks : i see. yeah... tradeoffs. thanks. good idea.
[20:40] <gagalicious> how often does ubuntu 14.04 break for u guys ? and where does it break mostly? i'll avoid that application. i'm installing all my pxe client's software now...
[20:40] <gagalicious> starting with wine :)
[20:41] <gagalicious> wine download is very long
[20:41] <bekks> gagalicious: I'll avoid wine.
[20:41] <gagalicious> bekks : no choice. i need microsoft office ...
[20:41] <OerHeks>  <gagalicious> how often does ubuntu 14.04 break for u guys ? never ?
[20:41] <bekks> gagalicious: USe a virtual machine instead.
[20:42] <gagalicious> OerHeks: not the server version i mean... i'm using desktop version. i'm sure some applications will break
[20:42] <gier_do> gagalicious: sometimes I break it. then I fix it again.
[20:42] <gagalicious> bekks: vm is too slow... :I wine
[20:42] <gagalicious> gier_do: ok.
[20:42] <bekks> gagalicious: Use reasonable hardware then.
[20:43] <OerHeks> I considder that as FUD
[20:44] <gagalicious> pxeclients... do you guys have a guide on how to speed it up? it's over a gigabitlan... i understand the server side needs ssd etc... but that's about all the limits u can stretch with pxe clients... anything i can tweak more? where's a good guide for this? i've finished reading the diskless ubuntu installation guide
[20:44] <bekks> gagalicious: Use a fast network.  I have a question about ubuntu/debian package management: how is the integrity ensured when updating packages?
[20:45] <stiv2k> MonkeyDust: do you use bybou
[20:45] <stiv2k> byobu
[20:45] <bekks> linuxr: By using checksums.
[20:45] <gagalicious> i mean... i was thinking of slurping the os into memory for my pxeclient and using only the nfs root for saving persistent things.
[20:45] <k1l> ozbrk: when the software is not native for linux see wine. for issues with wine see #winehq and their database
[20:46] <ozbrk> #winehq noted thank you mate
[20:46] <linuxr> bekks, I mean, is it ensured that no "man in the middle" can provide modified packages and checksums?
[20:46] <sgoblin> linuxr: uses gpg keys
[20:47] <k1l> linuxr: iirc packages are signed
[20:47] <bekks> linuxr: You cannot ensure that, technically. Having enough money, it is technically possible.
[20:47] <bekks> linuxr: But chances are very good, that the existing signing mechanism are sufficient.
[20:48] <zykotick9> bekks: if you check "apt-cache depends apt" you'll also notice gnupg being listed...  *-keyring also possibly?  more then just checksums.
[20:48] <sgoblin> linuxr: you can find the keys in Software and Updates, Authentication
[20:49] <sgoblin> Software and Updates is in software-properties-gtk package
[20:50] <linuxr> sgoblin, bekks , so each package is download is signed and checked against a locally cached key before installation?
[20:50] <JinjaNinja> Any reason why my computer volume is all the way up, but Ardour volume isn't responsive to my computer's volume? For instance, I put my computer's master volume on mute, but Ardour isn't effected by it. Is this possibly a groups issue? Or is this just a pulseaudio issue?
[20:53] <sgoblin> linuxr: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt explains it
[20:54] <sgoblin> the Release file has checksums, and is signed by the Release.gpg file
[20:55] <sgoblin> Packages are checksumed against the Release file, which is sure to be authentic
[20:55] <TJ-> To be pedantically technical, Release contains (cryptographic) hashes not checksums
[20:55] <sgoblin> ok, thanks
[20:56] <linuxr> thanks sgoblin ... I'm having a look at this
[20:56] <linuxr> where does the public key come from which is used to verify the signature?
[20:57] <TJ-> linuxr: It's stored in /etc/apt/trust.gpg and related files
[20:57] <sgoblin> it is shipped with the release
[20:57] <linuxr> thanks TJ- , sgoblin ... seems solid to me
[20:58] <linuxr> for a second I feared there would not be any such mechanism
[20:58] <Starthunder> My laptop seems to have two volume settings: off, and quiet.
[20:59] <Starthunder> It mutes fine, but changing the volume doesn't noticably...change the volume.
[20:59] <Starthunder> The music in this game doesn't sound any louder, nor does the actual little sound effects it makes when you press the volume keys
[21:00] <Bashing-om> !sound | Starthunder
[21:03] <Starthunder> ...that was really odd. Even just using the slider in Sound Preferences once seems to have fixed it. Thanks, Bashing-om.
[21:04] <Bashing-om> Starthunder: Good deal. No thanks to me though. It be the peeps who maintain our bots !
[21:05] <Starthunder> Eh, well, you invoked the factoid command for me. I hadn't thought to try that.
[21:09] <mekhami> so using the default ubuntu terminal, whenever i start it up it's using the wrong color scheme. i have to go into preferences, unselect and reselect 'use colors from system theme' and then the right colors kick in
[21:09] <mekhami> it's just annoying but if there's an obvious fix i'd like to know
[21:14] <Ankhwatcher> Hi, how can I determine my system.hardware.product for using in pm-utils/video-quirks?
[21:14] <Ankhwatcher> trying to implement this fix on my dell: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=99447
[21:14] <gagalicious> is there a program that can message a user on a ubuntu network? i'm using 14.04... like a notify or message a host or ip or something similar
[21:17] <dw1> so ive got a netbook with a super slow ssd. any advice for running chromium and other app caches and stuff in ram
[21:18]  * dw1 googles
[21:18] <adam__> ramfs?
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> dw1  try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/11753013/
[21:18] <dw1> ye
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> dw1  more: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11753017/
[21:19] <dw1> my tmp is already on tmpfs so cool
[21:20] <zykotick9> dw1: "super slow ssd" <- perhaps your partition(s) are not aligned correctly.  as "slow" and "ssd" should not typically be in the same sentence.
[21:20] <dw1> i figure it's because it's an older type and it's done too many writes
[21:20] <dw1> comp just feels sluggish
[21:20] <dw1> it's a weak old asus one netbook with lubuntu
[21:20] <dw1> 1g ram 600mb free tho
[21:21] <adam__> vmstat -SM 1 5   please. we can look closer at what may be slowing it down
[21:22] <zykotick9> adam__: neat, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11753029/
[21:22] <dw1> adam__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11753030/
[21:22] <dw1> hehe
[21:23] <adam__> first one looks healthy, but that second one needs more memory
[21:24] <zykotick9> dw1: we certainly get different results... but i'm not sure which one is better ;)
[21:24] <adam__> we can get an idea of the sdd's performance with   hdparm -T /dev/whichever
[21:26] <dw1> > Timing cached reads:   1170 MB in  2.00 seconds = 584.87 MB/sec
[21:26] <dw1> maybe it's not the drive :/
[21:26] <zykotick9> dw1: for comparison, Timing cached reads:   3786 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1894.71 MB/sec
[21:27] <rebs> how would I go about getting gcc5 instead of my currrent 4.9
[21:27] <MonkeyDust> !info gcc
[21:27] <dw1> yea i think it's like the first ssd model that doesnt trim properly etc which is why i assumed the drive
[21:27] <adam__>  Timing cached reads:   1440 MB in  2.00 seconds = 720.12 MB/sec    here, on a system with known i/o performance issues
[21:28] <MonkeyDust> rebs  for anything that newer than what's in the repos, you need a ppa or a .deb or so, but that's not supported here
[21:28] <rebs> ok thanks MonkeyDust
[21:28] <mekhami> so using the default ubuntu terminal, whenever i start it up it's using the wrong color scheme. i have to go into preferences, unselect and reselect 'use colors from system theme' and then the right colors kick in
[21:28] <dw1> like creating a new tab in chrome and typing in the address bar afterward is very lagged to the point the letters dont go in the order typed
[21:29] <dw1> maybe cpu bound
[21:29] <dw1> if i wait 5 secs i can type normal
[21:29] <adam__> run that vmstat command while doing a new tab and we can verify which is the bottleneck
[21:30] <adam__> if you need more time,  vmstat -SM 1 10
[21:30] <adam__> or just  vmstat -SM 1     to run until you stop it
[21:30] <bekks> adam__: cached timing reads can be disregarded, unless you want to know how fast your cache is :)
[21:31] <dw1> adam__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11753051/
[21:31] <dw1> 2 laggy tabs opened
[21:32] <adam__> that definitely looks cpu bound, and those context switches skyrocketed
[21:32] <adam__> chrome have a lot of extensions?
[21:32] <dw1> i may be running zram
[21:33] <Viking667> hi all.
[21:33] <Bashing-om> rebs: Build from source ? see: https://gcc.gnu.org/install/ .
[21:33] <Viking667> I've got a quick query. How would I display kernel log messages to another tty, such as tty12?
[21:34]  * dw1 removes  zram-config and reboots
[21:37] <adam__> Viking667,  check out  sysctl -a | grep printk
[21:37] <adam__> changing that value should do what you're looking for
[21:37] <Viking667> I'll do that, thanks.
[21:38] <Viking667> oh.
[21:39] <dw1> still laggy, no extensions. it's a super low power cpu so it's not surprising
[21:39] <Viking667> I get kernel.printk = 15 4 1 7  ..... what man page do I go to for that??
[21:40] <adam__> i actually couldn't find a man page, but i did find this   https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt
[21:40]  * dw1 checks the stats again
[21:40] <adam__> dw1, i wonder if putting  ~/.cache/  into a smaller ramfs would work
[21:40] <adam__> but yeah, when resources are low there's only so much you can do
[21:41] <adam__> maybe plug in a usb flash drive and mount it as a swap, tmpfs or similar
[21:41] <Viking667> adam__: thanks.
[21:41] <adam__> happy to help
[21:42] <dw1> 3192 bogomips ought to be enough for anybody
[21:42] <adam__> lol
[21:42] <Viking667> um. Then that's not what I need. Sigh.
[21:43] <adam__> arg. alright, still looking
[21:43] <dw1> dual-core too :o
[21:43] <Viking667> those seem to describe what log levels various messages get assigned.
[21:43] <Viking667> I'll check out syslog's manpage too.
[21:44] <Viking667> hm. what's replaced syslogd these days? It's been quite some time.
[21:45] <Viking667> is that all done by sysctl and brethren these days?
[21:45] <adam__> systemd is fighting for it, so it's kinda both atm
[21:45] <adam__> i think systemd routes through syslog to maintain backwards comp
[21:45] <Viking667> the laugh is, I don't appear to have a syslogd here, so no fighting.
[21:46] <adam__> man dmesg    check the -E flag. i wonder if you run that in the tty of your choice it would lock to it
[21:48] <adam__> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/configure-kernel.html    perhaps a kernel parameter at boot would be a better solution
[21:48] <Viking667> Or perhaps a tail of /proc/kmsg (or similar file)
[21:48] <hplc> is the "aide" error message at start a bug or a user mistake?
[21:48] <hplc> it seems to have been there for 2-3 ubuntu releases
[21:49] <Viking667> "aide", that's french for "Help!!!"
[21:49] <Viking667> no idea what relevance it has
[21:49] <hplc> ok
[21:49] <hplc> well "help" works for me too
[21:50] <hplc> but "help" tend to get exactly [Zero] helpful answers :S
[21:50] <Viking667> I know. that's why I said I've no idea what relevance it has. What's bleating?
[21:50] <hplc> im not native english, whats "bleating"?
[21:51] <MonkeyDust> hplc  it's the sound of a lamb, like "mèèèh"
[21:51] <hplc> aha
[21:52] <hplc> that makes me a méééé that need aide! :p :D
[21:53] <hplc> seriously, aide soesnt run proplerly despite using the init, and some claims it has to to with that it needs its first AT/Cron run, but can i force that run?
[21:54]  * Viking667 blinks, wait. You're asking about a program called aide??
[21:54] <hplc> yes?
[21:54] <Viking667> ahhh.
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> !info aide
[21:54] <Viking667> hm. I don't have that installed here.
[21:54] <hplc> the Advanced Intrusion Detection E...eeee something
[21:55] <Viking667> I wondered why it sounded familiar.
[21:55] <hplc> "Environment", i knew it
[21:56] <MonkeyDust> apt-cache show aide to learn more
[21:56] <Ubyte> hi .. can anyone help me with ssh/scp file transfer from mac to my virtual machine?
[21:56] <Viking667> ah wel, I'll go bang my head against other walls then.
[21:56] <Ubyte> @.@
[21:57] <MonkeyDust> !ask | Ubyte
[21:57] <Ubyte> any kind soul?
[21:57] <Viking667> Merci, danke, domo arigato, fa'afetai...
[21:57] <adam__> Ubyte, scp remoteusername:/path/to/remote/files/ /path/to/local/files/
[21:57] <adam__> if the connection isn't keyed, it'll ask for a password
[21:58] <adam__> oops, i mean    scp remoteusername@remotehost:/path/to/remote/files/ /path/to/local/files/
[21:58] <adam__> reverse the last two params to push instead of pull
[21:59] <Ubyte> hi .. can anyone help me with ssh/scp file transfer from mac to my virtual machine?  .. SSH problem - Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
[21:59] <Viking667> Ubyte: first, is the remote machine configured to accept ssh connections?
[21:59] <hplc> MonkeyDust, there is no such thing as "apt-show" its either "apt-show-source" or "apt-show-versions" :p
[21:59] <Ubyte> viking how do i do that?
[22:00] <adam__> install openssh-server, and ensure the firewall isn't blocking port 22
[22:00] <Viking667> Ubyte: well, is the remote machine sitting next to you?
[22:00] <Viking667> and yes, adam's correct.
[22:00] <adam__> a virtual machine may need the network configured a bit differently though
[22:00] <Ubyte> ya
[22:01] <Viking667> then check if the virtual machine has openssh-server installed.
[22:01] <Viking667> I can't quite remember how to connect into a virtual machine.
[22:02] <adam__> it should be a 10.  ip address, depending on the VM software being used
[22:02] <Viking667> lol. That's MY ip address range...
[22:02] <Viking667> it's private. you can't have it...muahahahaha.
[22:02] <adam__> sharing is caring
[22:03] <Viking667> and I don't have "apt-show-*" here. I'm still on Trusty, if that means anything.
[22:04] <Pici> Viking667: it was "apt-cache" show packagename not "apt-show"
[22:04] <Viking667> yes, so I realised.
[22:04] <Ubyte> okayy... how do icheck if the ssh server is configure? haha
[22:05] <Viking667> Ubyte: in the vm, check if there's a service running on port 22.
[22:05] <adam__> on the box in question, check if the port is being used    ss -al src :22
[22:05]  * Viking667 blinks. Where'd THAT tool come from?
[22:06] <adam__> it's supposedly the next netstat
[22:06] <Ubyte> ss-al src :22 ?
[22:06] <adam__> i've been trying to use it more. it does seem really powerfull
[22:06] <adam__> ss  -al src :22
[22:06] <adam__> -al  is the first params, (show all listening ports)
[22:08] <Ubyte> 0   128       :::ssh              :::*
[22:08] <Ubyte> got 2 of those
[22:09] <adam__> it's running, then. i guess an easier test (just tried this one myself) is to ssh into itself:   ssh localhost
[22:09] <adam__> but i think the issue is getting the VM to network with the host
[22:10] <TJ-> Viking can the host ping the guest and the guest ping the host?
[22:11] <joe11joe99> hi
[22:11] <joe11joe99> what is this one about
[22:12] <Ubyte> so ... what do i need to do?
[22:12] <TJ-> Ubyte:  can the host ping the guest and the guest ping the host?
[22:12] <joe11joe99> lol im on the raspberry pi version
[22:12] <adam__> unfortunately when i've tried this myself i always end up fumbling aroudn with the guest container network settings until it works. i'm not great with networking, unfortunately
[22:13] <adam__> but yeah you gotta get the machines pinging each other first thing
[22:13] <adam__> then it should just work
[22:13] <TJ-> Ubyte: what virtual machine hypervisor are you using?
[22:13] <adam__> joe11joe99, what is what one about? this room? i'd say ubuntu. haha
[22:13] <adam__> i see how it is
[22:14] <Ubyte> ya can ping from both end
[22:14] <adam__> what about:  telnet destinationip 22
[22:14] <TJ-> Ubyte: OK, so on the guest first, check the firewall rules aren't blocking port 22 inbound. "sudo iptables -nvL INPUT"
[22:15] <Ubyte> connected
[22:16] <TJ-> Ubyte: do you see a rule for destination port 22 ?
[22:16] <zakedodead> Hi, I have a mouse with a high dpi and it is ridiculously high sensitivity even on the lowest settings under system settings -> mouse&touchpad, is there any way to go lower than what's in there?
[22:17] <TooFast4U> hey gyts
[22:17] <Ubyte> seems like it can be connected
[22:17] <TooFast4U> quicck question , when installing ubuntu what file system should i format ?
[22:18] <TJ-> TooFast4U: Depends on what criteria you have; default is ext4
[22:18] <adam__> zakedodead, i'm looking aroudn. what distro and what DM?
[22:18] <Bashing-om> TooFast4U: The standard/default is ext4 .
[22:18] <zakedodead> adam_: 14.04 with cinnamon installed
[22:18] <TooFast4U> tj can you explian. im not ecxperianced with linux
[22:19] <adam__> TooFast4U,  go with ext4 then. no need to get fancy
[22:19] <adam__> yet
[22:19] <TJ-> TooFast4U: ext4 is extended file system version 4, the default in-kernel file-system for most conventional systems
[22:19] <TooFast4U> k thx
[22:19] <hplc> is there any significant difference in speed between the filesystems?
[22:20] <adam__> depends on the use
[22:20] <TooFast4U> whats the mount point ?
[22:20] <adam__> i know xfs does great for deleting large files
[22:20] <hplc> does reiser still exists after creator became iron-man?
[22:20] <Bashing-om> TooFast4U: '/' ( for root ) .
[22:21] <TJ-> TooFast4U: if you're not familiar with the Linux file-system organisation I'd suggest using the installer's Guided Partitioning
[22:21] <TooFast4U> TJ why . i dont understand
[22:21] <Ubyte> scp -r /Users/Ubyte/Downloads/READ.ME.\!\!.txt root@<IP_ADDRESS>:home/Desktop  <-- tried this...
[22:22] <TJ-> TooFast4U: that's why :)
[22:22] <TooFast4U> whats why ?
[22:22] <TooFast4U> link ?
[22:23] <adam__> hplc, haha! it has to still be around, but may have been abandoned
[22:23] <TooFast4U> ttj ?
[22:23] <Ubyte> tj ? adam?
[22:23] <TooFast4U> noy tried the readme. how do iaccess it ?
[22:24] <adam__> TooFast4U, because you have to ask. it's nothing personal, but if you are asking these questions you have much to learn still. so go with the defaults, don't worry much about the options until after you've played around more
[22:24] <TooFast4U> ohh ok
[22:24] <hplc> adam__, i suppose he killed the wrong "process"
[22:24] <adam__> using the guided install will get you learning easily and quickly
[22:26] <adam__> i suppose it'd be hard to fight bad guys while getting the pid correct
[22:28] <stiv2k> hi, for some reason my gnome terminal is overriding the alt-left and alt-right behavior, it is registering as F3 and F4 in byobu, thus making it hard for me to switch between rooms in irssi
[22:29] <adam__> stiv2k, check global keyboard shortcuts
[22:30] <adam__> going off topic for a moment, i was looking around at the recent images of the sun and noticed a massive flash ( 2015-05-26 13:00 )  http://gif-explode.com/?explode=http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_eit_171small.gif
[22:30] <stiv2k> adam__: i dont see any mappings there for alt-left or alt-right
[22:30] <adam__> any ideas? space people here at all?
[22:30] <adam__> stiv2k, alright, lemme poke around
[22:30] <zakedodead> I found a driver for my mouse (razercfg) but I'm too noob to build it
[22:31] <zakedodead> when I try to invoke cmake for it I get    Could not find library "libusb-1.0" with header libusb.h
[22:31] <adam__> zakedodead, it shouldn't take a compilation to fix this, luckily. is it a gaming mouse? those tend to be more sensitive by nature
[22:31] <zakedodead> despite having already apt-get installed it
[22:31] <zakedodead> yeah
[22:31] <zakedodead> razer
[22:32] <zakedodead> adam_ I'm trying to install razercfg
[22:32] <adam__> https://patrickmn.com/aside/lowering-gaming-mouse-sensitivity-in-ubuntu-9-10/
[22:32] <adam__> it's an older ubuntu, but the principle should be the same
[22:33] <Viking667> ahhhhhh...... it seems that systemd has a logging component already, called journal.
[22:33] <OerHeks> zakedodead, maybe this page is any help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2197601 sudo apt-get install libusb-1.0-0-dev
[22:34] <Viking667> zakedodead: lol. I have logitech instead of razer. easier to configure.
[22:35] <zakedodead> aparently my mouse is a "Razer Razer DeathAdder" according to xinput
[22:35] <cm-t> TJ-: I'm back !
[22:36] <Viking667> zakedodead: is it a DeathAdder?
[22:37] <zakedodead> yeah
[22:38] <zakedodead> Never gonna get used to typing peoples names in front of what I'm saying and being considerate
[22:39] <Viking667> zakedodead: heh. I'm lucky. I just type the first two letters of their name, hit tab, and see if tabcomplete gets the name right.
[22:39] <SchrodingersScat> !tab | zakedodead, tab makes it easy
[22:39] <zakedodead> ubottu, oh ok
[22:39] <Viking667> SchrodingersScat: don't forget, that's dependent upon support within the client
[22:40] <Viking667> and ubottu's just a bot.
[22:40] <Waldeinsamkeit> hello
[22:40] <zakedodead> thanks bot
[22:40] <SchrodingersScat> Viking667: it's always worth a shot to mash tab a few times though
[22:40] <Waldeinsamkeit> i really really need some help
[22:40] <Waldeinsamkeit> so i just built a new computer
[22:40] <Viking667> don't ask for help, just ask yourquestion
[22:40] <Waldeinsamkeit> lol i forgot how harsh irc is
[22:40] <MonkeyDust> Waldeinsamkeit  then quickly quickly tell us what's wrong
[22:40] <Malgorath> lol this mdadm command is taken 5.5 hours so far on my raid 10 to build...
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> my computer is runing 13.10 i belive
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> and i need to upgrade it
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> yet i can not becuase its unsuuported
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> i cahnged cpus
[22:41] <MonkeyDust> Waldeinsamkeit  that's !eol, upgrade first, then come back
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> not sure how
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> i have been trying all day...
[22:41] <kostkon> !eol | Waldeinsamkeit
[22:41] <TooFast4U> guys how much swap space should i define ?
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> thats my problem
[22:41] <MonkeyDust> !eolupgrade | Waldeinsamkeit
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> yes its end of the line for this os
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> hence i need a new one
[22:41] <Waldeinsamkeit> and i can not upgrade...
[22:42] <Waldeinsamkeit> i do not know how
[22:42] <Malgorath> Waldeinsamkeit did you even look at the link for EOLUpgardes?
[22:42] <MonkeyDust> Waldeinsamkeit  backup and fresh install is fastes, easiest, cleanest
[22:42] <Waldeinsamkeit> any advice on updateing to the latest version of ubontu with out losing my data would be amazing
[22:42] <Waldeinsamkeit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[22:42] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, it's one step upgrade to 14.04 which is an lts and thus support for 5 years, that is until 2019
[22:42] <kostkon> supported*
[22:42] <Waldeinsamkeit> pl
[22:42] <cm-t> TJ-: I rebooted in safemode at grub, it asked me to reconfigur the graphic, choosed default setings, now reworking without any CLI :D ubuntu !
[22:43] <TooFast4U> when installing ubuuntu i have to creat a partition for swap space ! how large should i make this ?
[22:43] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, you only need to go from 13.10 to 14.04, otherwise just backup your data and do a clean install of 14.04
[22:43] <adam__> TooFast4U, generally the same as your total physical memory amount. the installer should do that automatically
[22:43] <Waldeinsamkeit> i have installed the the update-manager and update-manager-core packages
[22:44] <adam__> and chill out, man. i'm playing FF7 over here. jenova battle requires attention
[22:44] <Viking667> TooFast4U: It used to be twice your RAM, that's not quite the case any more. I'd say start with 2Gb, and see what others here say.
[22:44] <Malgorath> TooFast4U depends on your amount of RAM, usually if you have 16GB of ram, you make a 16GB swap, but 4G is usually enough for most average users
[22:44] <TooFast4U> adam so if i have 1dg ram then 1gb of swap space ?
[22:44] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, have you already tried following the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades and failed
[22:44] <adam__> if you only have 1g ram, i'd do 2g swap
[22:44] <Waldeinsamkeit> yeah
[22:44] <Waldeinsamkeit> im doing it again
[22:45] <Waldeinsamkeit> ill tell you the error message i get
[22:45] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, ok
[22:45] <Waldeinsamkeit> sudo apt-get update
[22:45] <Waldeinsamkeit> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:45] <Waldeinsamkeit> sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:45] <Malgorath> TooFast4U are you going to be using any desktops?
[22:45] <Waldeinsamkeit> when i do that
[22:45] <Malgorath> !paste
[22:45] <TooFast4U> i will give it 4gb as its old laptop
[22:45] <Waldeinsamkeit> i have 8gb
[22:45] <Waldeinsamkeit> but 16 is better
[22:46] <stiv2k> hi, for some reason my computer will not enter suspend mode when screen is locked. for example, it locks screen after 10 minutes idle. if i set it to suspend after 5 minutes idle, it works, because screen has not locked yet. but, if i set to suspend after 1 hour idle (what i really want), it never suspends, because screen locks after 10 minutes, then inhibits suspend forever until unlocked. any advice is appreciated, thanks
[22:46]  * Viking667 drops out
[22:46] <Malgorath> Turn off screen lock :B
[22:47] <Waldeinsamkeit> Calculating the changes
[22:47] <Waldeinsamkeit> Could not calculate the upgrade
[22:47] <Waldeinsamkeit> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[22:47] <Waldeinsamkeit> This can be caused by:
[22:47] <Waldeinsamkeit> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[22:47] <Waldeinsamkeit> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[22:47] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, try pasting it on paste.ubuntu.com
[22:48] <Waldeinsamkeit> here is what i get
[22:48] <Waldeinsamkeit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11753396/
[22:49] <adam__> Waldeinsamkeit, your best bet would be to backup anything important and reinstall fresh
[22:49] <Waldeinsamkeit> well you see
[22:49] <Waldeinsamkeit> i have a lot of steam games
[22:49] <Waldeinsamkeit> and other stuff
[22:49] <Waldeinsamkeit> on my computer
[22:49] <Waldeinsamkeit> and it would take days upon days to reinstall them
[22:49] <Waldeinsamkeit> my internet connection is not super fast
[22:50] <adam__> is your /home/ partition separate from the rest of the system?
[22:50] <Waldeinsamkeit> idk
[22:50] <Malgorath> Waldeinsamkeit the enter key is not punctuation :D
[22:50] <Waldeinsamkeit> sorry
[22:50] <adam__> pastebin this command please    df -h
[22:50] <Waldeinsamkeit> im 17 now when i installed this os it was 3 years ago i was only 14...
[22:51] <Waldeinsamkeit> i still barely know anything about ubontu
[22:51] <adam__> hopefully you stuck with defaults (and that the defaults were good)
[22:51] <Waldeinsamkeit> yes i did.
[22:51] <Waldeinsamkeit> i think?
[22:51] <Malgorath> Waldeinsamkeit its spelled Ubuntu, as in the channel name :D
[22:51] <Waldeinsamkeit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11753410/
[22:51] <Waldeinsamkeit> yes
[22:52] <Waldeinsamkeit> i copy and pasted the channel name im not a good speller -_-
[22:52] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, what have you done so far? Edited your sources list, installed update-manager-core and update-manager, maybe reinstalled ubuntu-desktop, installed the linux-headers pacakge? what else
[22:52] <Malgorath> Waldeinsamkeit you should really make a backup of your home directory before you do anything just incase
[22:52] <Waldeinsamkeit> ok
[22:52] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, wow, yotu definitely need to free up some space
[22:52] <Waldeinsamkeit> whats the propor way to backup?
[22:53] <Waldeinsamkeit> umm
[22:53] <Waldeinsamkeit> i have 6 more sata hds i can install
[22:53] <Waldeinsamkeit> i have 6 sata cables and two psus
[22:53] <Waldeinsamkeit> and i have 300-500 gb harddrives lying all over the place
[22:53] <Waldeinsamkeit> but i can not set up a raid array till i get my os current
[22:53] <adam__> Waldeinsamkeit, awesome. you'll need to plug one in, make it a big ol' partition and copy /home/  to it
[22:53] <Waldeinsamkeit> and i do not know how to make a raid array on ubontu but thats a different problem
[22:54] <Waldeinsamkeit> ok
[22:54] <Waldeinsamkeit> ill go plug in a harddrive
[22:54] <Waldeinsamkeit> and make a partition
[22:54] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, ubuntu will on average download 600-800mb worth of packages and it will first save then in a temp folder in /
[22:54] <Waldeinsamkeit> ill be back when i do that
[22:54] <kostkon> Waldeinsamkeit, for the upgrade*
[22:54] <kostkon> them*
[22:54] <Waldeinsamkeit> ok
[22:54] <Waldeinsamkeit> brb
[22:55] <adam__> kostkon, the output he showed indicates a fresh reinstall is the way to go with this one
[22:55] <kostkon> adam__, that would be better, yes
[23:01] <gopar> If you make a sym link to a directory, and you edit the content inside the sym link dir, will it also update the original form the path?
[23:01] <gopar> not sure if that made sense
[23:01] <adam__> gopar, yes it will
[23:02] <gopar> adam__, sweet, thanks
[23:04] <adam__> stiv2k, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Using_xset   may help
[23:07] <stiv2k> adam__: how?
[23:08] <adam__> i suppose we could start with pastebin the output of that first command,  xset q | grep -A 1 Pointer
[23:10] <adam__> trapped in a shinra cell, with tifa after saving her life several times and cloud still has to sleep on the floor   lol
[23:13] <Waldeinsamkeit> ok
[23:13] <Waldeinsamkeit> im now backing up 127 gb of data to a second harddrive
[23:14] <adam__> perfect
[23:14] <Waldeinsamkeit> whats in their?
[23:14] <adam__> all your files
[23:14] <Waldeinsamkeit> the file hericary makes no sense
[23:14] <adam__> you'll notice that in /home/username/.steam/  there is most of that 125G of data
[23:14] <adam__> that's where all the game files are stored
[23:14] <Waldeinsamkeit> ohh yes
[23:15] <Waldeinsamkeit> can't find that file
[23:15] <adam__> it may be  /home/username/.Steam/
[23:15] <Waldeinsamkeit> are there hidden files?
[23:15] <Waldeinsamkeit> cause i do not see it
[23:16] <adam__> are you changing the 'username' part to be your actual user name?
[23:16] <Waldeinsamkeit> yeah
[23:16] <Waldeinsamkeit> no
[23:16] <Waldeinsamkeit> i just went to the file manger
[23:16] <Waldeinsamkeit> and clicke computer
[23:16] <Waldeinsamkeit> then theres a file that says home
[23:16] <Waldeinsamkeit> then theres not me and sysop
[23:16] <bekks> 24press ctrl+h
[23:17] <bekks> without the 24 :)
[23:17] <Waldeinsamkeit> yeah
[23:17] <Waldeinsamkeit> wtf
[23:17] <Waldeinsamkeit> that shows me all my stuff
[23:17] <Waldeinsamkeit> .gnome
[23:17] <Waldeinsamkeit> .steam
[23:17] <Waldeinsamkeit> .skype
[23:17] <Waldeinsamkeit> why did the other one only have a few things in it?
[23:17] <bekks> because you did not press ctrl+h
[23:17] <Waldeinsamkeit> mabye they were still loading?
[23:18] <Waldeinsamkeit> whats cntrl h do?
[23:18] <traekili> dot files dont show in defaults for file managers, it shows hidden files
[23:18] <Waldeinsamkeit> k
[23:18] <bekks> It shows "hidden" files and folders - all that stuff beginning with a dot
[23:18] <adam__> how big is that .steam directory
[23:18] <Waldeinsamkeit> ahhhh i get it
[23:18] <adam__> i want to make sure we have the right one
[23:18] <adam__> should be huhge
[23:18] <adam__> huge*
[23:19] <Waldeinsamkeit> umm
[23:19] <Waldeinsamkeit> it just says everything is 12.3 gb
[23:19] <Waldeinsamkeit> which is not right
[23:19] <Waldeinsamkeit> do we have a better file manger i could get?
[23:19] <mario__> Anyone know a good link for installing spotify on ubuntu?
[23:19] <Waldeinsamkeit> also whats the command to register your username again?
[23:19] <bekks> Waldeinsamkeit: What is "everything"?
[23:19] <Waldeinsamkeit> every folder in there
[23:19] <adam__> mario__,  https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/
[23:20] <Waldeinsamkeit> minecraft .kde .gnome .java .wine .skype .steam .xchat
[23:20] <bekks> Waldeinsamkeit: Every folder in where?
[23:20] <Waldeinsamkeit> they all say 12.3 gb...
[23:20] <mario__> Thanks Adam :)
[23:20] <Waldeinsamkeit> in drictory home
[23:20] <adam__> Waldeinsamkeit, can you open a terminal and pastebin the output of    cd ~; du -sch * | sort -h
[23:21] <Waldeinsamkeit> wtf
[23:21] <Waldeinsamkeit> it says its only 7.0 gb total
[23:21] <Waldeinsamkeit> yet im backing up 125+ gb of stuff
[23:21] <Waldeinsamkeit> from that folder?
[23:22] <bekks> Waldeinsamkeit: sum up all folders.
[23:22] <Waldeinsamkeit> cd ~; du -sch * | sort -h
[23:22] <Waldeinsamkeit> uhh pastebin
[23:22] <bekks> So you have 7.0G in ~
[23:22] <Waldeinsamkeit> 4.0K	Music
[23:22] <Waldeinsamkeit> 4.0K	Ubuntu One
[23:22] <Waldeinsamkeit> 48K	Wallpapers
[23:22] <Waldeinsamkeit> 56K	hs_err_pid9908.log
[23:22] <Waldeinsamkeit> 100K	catalyst
[23:22] <Waldeinsamkeit> 6.6M	Mesa-10.0.0-rc1
[23:23] <Bashing-om> !paste | Waldeinsamkeit
[23:24] <Waldeinsamkeit> erm
[23:24] <Waldeinsamkeit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11753539/
[23:24] <adam__> that is just because it didn't look at hidden folders
[23:24] <Waldeinsamkeit> yes why not?
[23:24] <adam__> my bad. try this one    df -h .* | sort -h
[23:25] <zykotick9> Waldeinsamkeit: ncdu might be helpful for ya.
[23:25] <adam__> i never was clear on why  *  doesn't grab files that start with  .
[23:25] <adam__> prolly a regex thing
[23:25] <bekks> Better try: cd ~; du -sch .* * | sort -h
[23:25] <Waldeinsamkeit> i just get this
[23:25] <Waldeinsamkeit> /dev/sdb1       143G  125G   12G  92% /
[23:25] <Waldeinsamkeit> over and over
[23:26] <bekks> df -h .* is - not good ;)
[23:26] <Waldeinsamkeit> idk
[23:26] <adam__> oohh yeah sorry
[23:26] <Waldeinsamkeit> why we doing this?
[23:26] <Waldeinsamkeit> me lost
[23:26] <adam__> du -sch .* | sort -h
[23:26] <zykotick9> bekks: ncdu is my answer to this problem... YMMV
[23:27] <Waldeinsamkeit> that -sch .* | sort -h does not work
[23:27] <adam__> 'df' was the wrong one to use (i'm on beer four)
[23:27] <Waldeinsamkeit> ber four...
[23:27] <Waldeinsamkeit> -_-
[23:28] <adam__> hey man, this is MY dy
[23:28] <adam__> day*
[23:28] <adam__> haha
[23:28] <traekili> or ls -laS   that sorts by size, lists stuff and shows hidden files and directories
[23:28] <SchrodingersScat> adam__: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/glob#dotglob
[23:28] <Waldeinsamkeit> There was an error copying the file into /media/sysop/HP_PAVILION/home/sysop/.local/share/Steam/SteamApps/downloading/730/directx_installer.
[23:28] <Waldeinsamkeit> getting some errors
[23:28] <Waldeinsamkeit> ill just skip them...
[23:28] <bekks> Waldeinsamkeit: Or you tell us the errors.
[23:29] <Waldeinsamkeit> i did
[23:29] <Waldeinsamkeit> how do you register your nick name??
[23:29] <Waldeinsamkeit> googles failing me
[23:29] <SchrodingersScat> !register | Waldeinsamkeit
[23:29] <adam__> SchrodingersScat, thank you! when i've sobered up i'll check that out. bookmarked for now
[23:29] <Waldeinsamkeit> thank you
[23:30] <Waldeinsamkeit> what a intersteing username
[23:30] <Waldeinsamkeit> so unique
[23:31] <Waldeinsamkeit> there we go
[23:31] <Waldeinsamkeit> now im me forever
[23:31] <Waldeinsamkeit> There was an error copying the file into /media/sysop/HP_PAVILION/home/sysop/.local/share/Steam/SteamApps/downloading/730/csgo.
[23:31] <Waldeinsamkeit> im still downloading this game
[23:31] <Waldeinsamkeit> could that be it?
[23:31] <Waldeinsamkeit> whatever
[23:31] <adam__> yeah that looks like a partial downloaded file
[23:31] <Waldeinsamkeit> no choice but to skip it
[23:32] <Waldeinsamkeit> yes
[23:32] <Waldeinsamkeit> im downloding cs go
[23:32] <adam__> are the errors saying anything of disk i/o read/write errors?
[23:32] <Waldeinsamkeit> i bought the valve steam pack this summer sale
[23:32] <Waldeinsamkeit> no.
[23:32] <Waldeinsamkeit> nope.
[23:32] <adam__> it should be able to copy those temp files as well, so that's odd
[23:34] <shingshang> ugh, after apt-get install and restarting, ubuntu just shows black screen on the login page :(
[23:35] <adam__> shingshang, eek. can you get to a tty? what was installed?
[23:35] <shingshang> adam__: I tried to fix a broken package with aptitude, which proceeded to uninstall the nvidia-352 package
[23:35] <shingshang> I reinstalled 352 though
[23:35] <shingshang> then I restarted
[23:36] <shingshang> and now I'm here
[23:36] <shingshang> it went through the purple ubuntu splash, but login screen is all black. ctrl + alt + f4 etc doesn't seem to do anything
[23:37] <adam__> it sounds like the new driver is using a resolution the monitor doesn't like
[23:37] <adam__> so the tty's should still work, you just won't be able to see anything
[23:37] <shingshang> ah, I did plug in a new monitor to my laptop
[23:37] <zykotick9> question for ubuntu people, in most recent ubuntu (systemd based) does lightdm/gdm/*dm start on F1 or F7 like the old system?
[23:37] <shingshang> I've just unplugged it, still doesn't seem to show anything
[23:38] <adam__> zykotick9, i'm on 15.04 and my DM is on F7
[23:38] <zykotick9> adam__: thanks!
[23:38] <adam__> shingshang, does the laptop screen show anything, or is it broken so you're using only an external
[23:39] <shingshang> both showed black
[23:39] <al2o3-cr> zykotick9: yes just checked
[23:39] <shingshang> I've unplugged the external monitor and still the same thing
[23:39] <shingshang> after restart, as well
[23:39] <adam__> try doing the laptop-specific "function + display" keyboard combo
[23:39] <adam__> i know that's vague, but each laptop has their own way of doing it
[23:40] <adam__> http://www.spd.dcu.ie/site/av/images/FuncF4.jpg   this example has two of the common icons ( one here / one here )
[23:41] <adam__> try pressing it a few times, since they tend to cycle between a few options rather than just toggle
[23:41] <shingshang> thanks, will give it a try
[23:41] <ianorlin> zykotick9: it is still f7 oops wrong thing
[23:41] <ianorlin> grr typed partialy in wrong window
[23:42] <shingshang> man, from broken packages to broken drivers, ubuntu sure is hard
[23:43] <Johnny_Linux> lol, most of us started with 6.06
[23:43] <Johnny_Linux> driver mania
[23:43] <adam__> Johnny_Linux, oh man the wifi drivers alone  lol
[23:43] <Johnny_Linux> yeah
[23:43] <Johnny_Linux> distwrapper
[23:43] <Johnny_Linux> woohoo
[23:43] <Bashing-om> !ppa | shingshang No, not hard - it's the add ons ! ::
[23:45] <shingshang> great, looks like I have to go through yet another reinstall
[23:45] <Johnny_Linux> whats ppa got to do with the mans graphics, i missed it
[23:47] <Remoboth> Anyone know how I would disable my laptop's firewire port in order to prevent a memory dump attack?
[23:47] <Bashing-om> Johnny_Linux: Maybe nothing.. but often times a proprietary graphics driver has been installed, That driver is built against the currently installed kernel, and whn the kernel is updatd that driver is broke .
[23:47] <Johnny_Linux> i dont remember him saying anything about it
[23:48] <Johnny_Linux> now, hes confused
[23:48] <adam__> Remoboth, i don't have anything with firewire, but you could probably get away with modprobe -r  the right driver
[23:48] <Remoboth> Hm.
[23:48] <Remoboth> Thanks.
[23:49] <TJ-> Remoboth: blacklist the iee1394 driver (firewire_ohci  and firewire_core)
[23:50] <genewitch> my mouse isn't interacting with desktop windows in ubuntu 15.04; i can't click on firefox and bring it to foreground, or right click, or move windows, resize, etc.
[23:50] <genewitch> it does interact with the menu (i.e. launch firefox or open the home menu)
[23:50] <Remoboth> TI- What would I Input in the terminal?
[23:51] <TJ-> Remoboth: that won't stop an insmod though, so if you want to protect the host remove the kernel modules from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/firewire/
[23:51] <Remoboth> TI- By remove, you mean just delete them/
[23:52] <adam__> Remoboth, you could play it safe and rename them instead
[23:52] <TJ-> Remoboth: Yes, and see see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Loadable_Modules#Blacklisting_Modules
[23:52] <TJ-> adam__: That won't help
[23:52] <adam__> or would it just load the renamed ones?
[23:52] <adam__> ah
[23:52] <TJ-> adam__: when depmod is run it'll rebuild the module alias caches and just point to the new name
[23:53] <TJ-> adam__: drivers are matched based on the PCI/USB/whatever device IDs they claim to support
[23:53] <adam__> so it just kinda loops through those files and does it for whatever it finds, then?
[23:53] <Remoboth> Hm.
[23:53] <Remoboth> I can't find /lib/...
[23:54] <adam__> Remoboth,  find / -xdev -maxdepth 2 -type d -name lib
[23:55] <Remoboth> adam__ -  Thanks.
[23:56] <TJ-> Remoboth: It's "ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/"
[23:57] <Remoboth> TJ- -  Should I delete the whole folder or just the individual files inside?
[23:57] <Remoboth> I am sorry I am being so particular... I am new to Linux.
[23:58] <Remoboth> It seems amazing but not very intuitive to a lifelong Windows user.
[23:58] <Remoboth> Apologies.
[23:58] <TJ-> Remoboth: I'd simply move the files to a directory out of the kernel path so you can easily replace them if needed
[23:58] <genewitch> my mouse isn't interacting with desktop windows in ubuntu 15.04; i can't click on firefox and bring it to foreground, or right click, or move windows, resize, etc. it does interact with the menu (i.e. launch firefox or open the home menu)
[23:59] <logan0405> Hi I'm on a laptop with a pretty fresh ubuntu install, can't get two finger scrolling to work very well, have to have my fingers pretty far apart for it to work well. Any way to improve this?
[23:59] <Remoboth> TJ- -  Thanks.


[02:16] <superfly> hrm, I used to be in here, dunno why my client left
[02:16] <Unit193> You saw I was here.
[02:17] <superfly> Unit193: unlikely. I'm MORE likely to hang out in a channel if I see you there
[02:36] <wrst> superfly: welcome to Tennessee
[02:40] <Omnifrog> I'm not sure where I am at any given moment
[02:40] <superfly> wrst: well, at least I'm on the same side of the ocean now.
[02:41] <wrst> Exactly superfly
[02:41] <wrst> Omnifrog: physically or mentally? :)
[02:42] <Omnifrog> err
[02:44] <wrst> Omnifrog: how's the weather down south?
[02:49] <Omnifrog> cold as fuck
[02:50] <Omnifrog> 20 right now.
[02:50] <Omnifrog> still snow on the ground
[03:10] <wrst> Omnifrog: that is a heatwave it is 11 here
[03:11] <wrst> We had a couple inches of snow not really enough to do any good sledding
[03:13] <Omnifrog> oh, it's gonna get down there tonight
[03:13] <Omnifrog> over night low is forcast to be 9
[03:13] <wrst> I enjoy a good cold snap
[03:24] <Unit193> Temp: 8°F (-13°C) ~ Mostly Cloudy ~ Windchill: -8°F (-22°C) ~ Humidity: 80% ~ Observed: Sat 07, 21:52
[03:24] <Unit193> Omnifrog: Hi. :P
[03:24] <Omnifrog> hi Unit193


[03:23] <Logan> xnox: hey, when are we planning to merge OpenSSL 1.10 into Zesty?
[03:30] <Logan> 1.1.0*
[08:03] <lifeless> whats the right channel to ask for help etc on ubuntu-core?
[09:16] <rbasak> lifeless:
[09:16] <rbasak> lifeless: #snappy maybe? Though I'd guess busier on weekdays.
[10:25] <lifeless> rbasak: thanks; asking there indeed :)
[17:22] <LStranger> I still wonder if there is someone who could push a button to get openbox 3.6.1-3 from proposed to zesty... the bug 1336521 it fixes is pretty much annoying and autocheck failure is not relevant to openbox package anyway.
[22:41] <dobey> LStranger: looks like there was a test regresion on s390x that's keeping it held up: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#openbox
[22:48] <tarpman> LStranger, dobey: AFAIK, not actually openbox's fault: bug 1590956
[22:51] <dobey> sure, was just pointing out why it's not gone through yet
[23:41] <LStranger> dobey: yeah, tarpman already told me that, but he also told me someone can push openbox ignoring that plasma-framework problem, especially since new version of openbox does not have even sligtest dependency on plasma-framework (well, it's actually missing dependency which will be fixed later but for now that's it).
[23:45] <LStranger> dobey: so I'm trying to find said someone. As for myself, I've rebuilt that package but I want my friends and anyone else to get rid of that bug too. :)


[06:07] <snook353> is there such thing as a linux lobby in D.C.?  i'm worried about "Trusted Computing" :(
[06:08] <BHSPitLappy> start one
[06:08] <snook353> i hate conspiracy stuff.  i'm hoping this is a conspiracy theory, rather than reality - a conspiracy reality
[06:11] <BHSPitLappy> #politics
[06:16] <poningru> uh... its a reality
[06:16] <poningru> snook353: if you have a new computer... open it up
[06:16] <poningru> or not
[06:24] <BHSPitLappy> open it up?
[06:25] <BHSPitLappy> for what?
[05:26] <jenda> nixternal, poningru, have a look at the pending email in the ubuntu-marketing queue, and help me decide if it's spam or legitimate spam (from a certain Mark Allen)
[05:27] <poningru> hmm
[05:28] <poningru> jenda: you know I still dont know how to mark stuff spam/legitimate
[05:29] <jenda> poningru: you can get into the mod menu?
[05:29] <poningru> mailman?
[05:29] <jenda> yes
[05:29] <jenda> once in, there are options, Accept, Defer, Delete, Reject.
[05:29] <jenda> and that's how you mark them...
[05:30] <poningru> I dont know the password though
[05:30] <jenda> aha
[05:32] <poningru> blarrgh?
[05:34] <jenda> yarr.
[08:02] <lophyte> nixternal: ping
[08:04] <nixternal> yo yo
[08:04] <lophyte> hey, its been a while
[08:04] <lophyte> hows it going?
[08:05] <nixternal> circles? is that a good answer maybe ;)
[08:05] <lophyte> haha
[08:05] <nixternal> i feel like i am chasing my tail
[08:05] <lophyte> why?
[08:05] <jenda> MenZa has a lappy!
[08:05] <nixternal> don't know, just doesn't seem like i have accomplished much recently
[08:06] <lophyte> ah
[08:06] <lophyte> how's things going with ubuntu chicago?
[08:07] <nixternal> we are going to be meeting this week to discuss the future of Ubuntu Chicago
[08:07] <lophyte> is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[08:07] <lophyte> lol
[08:07] <nixternal> we might keep Ubuntu Chicago, and start Ubuntu Illinois to get an entire state together..it seems we have a lot of southern Illinois people interested
[08:08] <nixternal> it should be a good thing
[08:08] <jenda> neat :)
[08:08] <lophyte> awesome
[08:08] <nixternal> this week at UDS it seems that they want team leaders for the locos and I don't like that
[08:08] <jenda> I don't really like that either.
[08:08] <jenda> Because the Czech LoCo is about to lose the leader.
[08:09] <nixternal> i asked the guys in ubuntu chicago if any of them wanted to be leaders, and the same thing was said by everyone, which we started from day one "we are all leaders, none of us are followers"
[08:09] <jenda> And we'll have to decide who it will be.
[08:09] <jenda> eek
[08:10] <lophyte> I consider myself a co-ordinator, not a leader
[08:10] <nixternal> i consider myself the team contact and thats it
[08:10] <jenda> i consider... umm...
[08:10] <nixternal> that is the only title in ubuntu chicago...leaderless teams are the norm in the community
[08:10] <lophyte> well tbh if I wasn't scheduling meetings and pushing for having an agenda and goals I don't think anything would get done
[08:10] <nixternal> once you get a leader, the inferiority complexes start kicking in
[08:11] <jenda> we didn't have that under our old leader.
[08:11] <nixternal> that is the same for ubuntu chicago as well, and i don't like that a majority of the team thinks that i am the team leader..i start something, and then i will ask for someone to take it over
[08:11] <nixternal> i ahve done a lot of work on my own, but i give credit to ubuntu chicago, and soem of the guys do the same as well
[08:12] <jenda> that's the way it's supposed to work :)
[08:12] <lophyte> if you don't have someone to keep things organizing and moving.. things don't happen in my experience
[08:13] <lophyte> that's not a leader per se... which is why I say co-ordinator
[08:13] <nixternal> well, ubuntu chicago is finally getting to the point where people, other than me are calling meetings now, and coordinating stuff, which is very nice for a change
[08:14] <lophyte> ah
[08:14] <nixternal> our problem is we need more people...right now there are maybe 40 of us pushing ubuntu to more than 9 million people..that isn't going to work
[08:15] <jenda> ooh
[08:15] <lophyte> hah.. we've got about 5 regulars ;)
[08:15] <jenda> we're worse off, by far, nix.
[08:15] <lophyte> us too
[08:15] <lophyte> but we're just starting out.. so
[08:15] <jenda> and we're established :/
[08:15] <BHSPitLappy> erm
[08:15] <jenda> the team's been here for ovah a year.
[08:16] <nixternal> chicago has only been around since june
[08:16] <jenda> it's not more than 10 people who actually do nything, and it's mainly translations.
[08:16] <nixternal> it is hard keeping people though
[08:16] <jenda> 4 dedicated folks.
[08:16] <nixternal> we get the excited first time linux users that last for all but a week, thats what i hate
[08:16] <jenda> eek
[08:17] <jenda> You get an amazing quality of coordination in Chicago, from what I see here. There's no way we could usher 40 people into doing something here.
[08:18] <lophyte> oi, I want more open source hot chocolate.. but I'm all out of milk
[08:18] <jenda>
[08:18] <nixternal> the nice thing is our 40 people all are active within the local lugs as well, so that helps out big time
[08:19] <jenda> open a new source, then, lophyte
[08:19] <BHSPitLappy> hey, I was a first time excited linux user
[08:19] <BHSPitLappy> but that's lasted for what, 7 years so far
[08:19] <nixternal> haha
[08:19] <BHSPitLappy> hardly a week
[08:19] <nixternal> i was too back in like 94 i believe
[08:19] <nixternal> when did amd start pushing the k6's?
[08:19] <jenda> We're getting involved with CZLUG now. I'm looking forward to what that brings.
[08:19] <jenda> They used to pay us a shipit-like service before.
[08:21] <nixternal> i know the first time i compiled a linux kernel it was on a p75
[08:21] <jenda> eek
[08:21] <jenda> I'm a youngling then.
[08:21] <nixternal> loaded with 64mb of ram, maxed out, and had 2 3gb hard drives i think
[08:22] <jenda> I first started a Mandrake 9.2 two and a half years ago.
[08:22] <jenda> Then i spent a year in Canada... on XP :(
[08:22] <jenda> and since then, it's Ubuntu only.
[08:23] <nixternal> hehe
[08:23] <jenda> Only some 15 months!
[08:23] <BHSPitLappy> I started with Suse 9, I believe? or does that not sound right
[08:23] <nixternal> i have been using slackware again, more and more at that
[08:23] <BHSPitLappy> 6 or 7 years ago
[08:23] <nixternal> 6 or 7 years ago would have been suse 6 i believe
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> maybe it was 7, then
[08:24] <nixternal> 1999, was about the v6 era i believe..i was using suse big time then..that is about the time that yast2 came about
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> because I remember an odd number
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> :D
[08:24] <jenda> ooh... posters rolling out bigtime now. Only 260 left. ubuntuforums.org will have me all out by next week :-D
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> aaanyway.
[08:24] <nixternal> woohoo
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> jenda, the OBEY posters?
[08:24] <jenda> nooo
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> enlighten me
[08:25] <jenda> have a look: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:25] <jenda> clicky-the-linky-at-the-top
[08:25] <jenda> -y
[08:26] <jenda> Don't regard the price, though.
[08:26] <jenda> That's special forums-price :)
[08:26] <jenda> normally, it's $1 apiece.
[08:26] <BHSPitLappy> yowsa! 25!
[08:26] <jenda> I donate the extra $1 per poster to the forums for putting that ad up for me. They didn't ask for it, but neither did I :-D
[08:27] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: for 10 posters.
[08:27] <BHSPitLappy> ah.
[08:27] <BHSPitLappy> still, that's expensive beer ^^
[08:27] <jenda> $10 - posters; $10 - to the forums; $5 shipping
[08:27] <BHSPitLappy> also, you should make the source available on that page! ;)
[08:27] <jenda> well, read above. Normally, it's half that.
[08:28] <jenda> oh, the source is available... I'll link it in the thread that Ryan promised to link from that page
[08:28] <jenda> This thread:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=296758
[08:28] <BHSPitLappy> I wonder if the clever [at]  and [dot]  conventions are even effective anymore
[08:28] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: it also contains info on what's done with the money.
[08:29] <BHSPitLappy> I would think that those spam spiders would have adapted to read them by now
[08:30] <BHSPitLappy> hmm, you're czech?
[08:30] <jenda> yes
[08:30] <jenda> I would think so too, BTW
[08:30] <jenda> I don't mind the spam.
[08:30] <jenda> It doesn't get through.
[08:31] <jenda> I'm Czech, and that's why I can make these things so cheaply :)
[08:31] <jenda> (and the shipping is the cheapest here, too)
[08:31] <BHSPitLappy> cool
[08:31] <BHSPitLappy> well, jak se mas! ^^
[08:32] <jenda> haha
[08:32] <jenda> Mam se fajn. Co ty?
[08:32] <BHSPitLappy> hehe
[08:32] <BHSPitLappy> like I understand that...
[08:32] <jenda> :)
[08:32] <jenda> I'm ok, and you?
[08:32] <jenda> Where did you learn that?
[08:32] <BHSPitLappy> doing well myself.
[08:32] <jenda> (err, when/why)
[08:32] <jenda> WTF, in other words :)
[08:32] <BHSPitLappy> I go to Westfest every year, it's a big Czech cultural festival in Texas
[08:33] <jenda> ooh :)
[08:33] <jenda> neat
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> my uncle's lineage is czech, and he and my cousin are in one of the favorite bands that play there
[08:33] <jenda> woot :)
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> so I'm familiar with polkas and kolaches
[08:33] <jenda> So, which is your favourite beer? :)
[08:33] <jenda> :-D
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> heh
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> I never drink
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> which makes me a definite oddball at Westfest
[08:34] <jenda> indeed :)
[08:34] <jenda> I don't drink much either... although some of my friends keep convincing me of the opposite... wonder why.
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> heh, someone in -offtopic just brought up another culture's food
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> he seems screwed, though
[08:34] <jenda> (most notably those that don't drink at all, btw)
[08:35] <jenda> hehe
[08:35] <jenda> I don't know any Dutch food.
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> definitely an odd situation he's in
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> but yeah
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> my uncle/cousin I mentioned before went to the czech republic a couple years ago
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> had a nice time
[08:37] <jenda> nixternal: I don't see a request for team leaders in the Loco team draft...
[08:38] <jenda> cool :)
[08:38] <nixternal> it was talked about during UDS this week, there is thing in it about Chicago not having a team leader
[08:38] <jenda> if you evah plan a trip, be sure to drop by :)
[08:38] <jenda> .ok
[08:38] <BHSPitLappy> what's prague famous for? I've heard it a few times.
[08:39] <BHSPitLappy> mentioned on family guy once, too o.o
[08:41] <jenda> oooh
[08:41] <jenda> It has the biggest castle in the world...
[08:41] <jenda> it drinks a huge amount of beer...
[08:45] <BHSPitLappy> lol
[08:49] <BHSPitLappy> I'm still considering trying to start that Youth LUG I was talking about before
[08:50] <jenda> sshhh
[08:50] <jenda> I'm waiting for an unsuspecting animal to go by.
[08:51] <BHSPitLappy> ok
[08:51] <jenda> <ten minutes pass>
[08:51] <BHSPitLappy> are you, by chance, hunting wabbits/
[08:51] <jenda> No, I'll have to find a different way of getting food...
[08:51] <jenda> well, anything, really.
[08:51] <jenda> I'd not mind a wabbit ;)
[08:53] <jenda> OK.
[08:53] <jenda> I guess I'll have to resort to going to the kitchen.
[08:57] <MenZaLap> Never heard of pizza?
[08:58] <BHSPitLappy> In Soviet Prague, pizza orders you!
[09:01] <MenZaLap> :D
[09:07] <jenda> haha :)
[09:08] <jenda> I've never actually ordered pizza
[09:08] <MenZaLap> :O
[09:08] <MenZaLap> shame on you
[09:15] <jenda> hehe
[09:15] <jenda> anyone speak italian?
[09:15] <jenda> Great hacker puzzle: http://geraldine.fjfi.cvut.cz/~strachota/Hackers_puzzle/1.htm
[09:48] <KenSentMe> jenda: ping
[09:49] <jenda> KABOOM!
[09:49] <KenSentMe> aaah
[09:50] <KenSentMe> Did you ship the posters yet?
[10:00] <jenda> KenSentMe: yes
[10:00] <jenda> I have yours in my bag right now :)
[10:00] <jenda> they'll be out on monday.
[10:00] <KenSentMe> jenda: a cool
[10:00] <KenSentMe> just wondering
[10:00] <jenda> And the stickers are in a seperate envelope.
[10:01] <KenSentMe> nice
[10:38] <nixternal> haha jenda, i have a dancing old lady on my screen with the hahcker puzzle
[10:38] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:38] <jenda> nixternal: congrats :)
[10:38] <nixternal> i did that way back in the 90's
[10:39] <nixternal> pretty much the same still
[10:42] <jenda> :)
[10:42] <jenda> does anyone know regexp here?
[10:43] <Flannel> what's up?
[10:43] <jenda> how would I make 3 capital letters, a lowercase and three more caps?
[10:43] <jenda> [A-Z] ..[a-z] [A-Z] .. was my first attempt... didn't really work :/
[10:44] <Flannel> [A-Z] {3}[a-z] [A-Z] {3} would do it
[10:45] <Flannel> the {3} is just a shortcut, could also go [A-Z] [A-Z] [A-Z]
[10:45] <Flannel> but, the former is how I would do it
[10:47] <jenda> ok, thx...
[10:47] <jenda> and how do I make grep use it?
[10:47] <jenda> I tried grep "[A-Z] [A-Z] [A-Z] [a-z] [A-Z] [A-Z] [A-Z] "
[10:48] <jenda> but it didn't work.
[10:48] <Flannel> no quotes
[10:48] <jenda> ok
[10:48] <jenda> thx
[10:48] <jenda> this time, it didn't find anything...
[10:48] <jenda> :)
[10:48] <Flannel> if you want to explicitly state it's the pattern, -e [pattern]  or -pattern=[pattern]
[10:48] <Flannel> er, -regexp=
[10:49] <jenda> hmm
[10:49] <jenda> have a look : pythonchallenge.com
[10:49] <jenda> :)
[10:49] <jenda> you'll get there in a few secs, it's no. 3
[10:51] <Flannel> eh, what's the rot2 output of number2? heh.
[10:52] <jenda> just rot-2 the url :)
[10:52] <Flannel> I did... ocs.html doesnt exist
[10:52] <Flannel> did I do it wrong?
[10:52] <Flannel> ocr, nevermind
[10:52] <Flannel> I can count, honest
[10:53] <jenda> haha :)
[10:53] <jenda> Flannel: I did the _exact_ same mistake :)
[10:53] <Flannel> so... hmm.  oh, hexeditor to the rescue!
[10:54] <jenda> Even before I rotted the text, I tried the url, and it didn't work because of that... so I rotted the text...
[10:54] <jenda> Manually!
[10:54] <jenda> only to find out that i made a typo :)
[10:54] <Flannel> eh, I wouldve just threw together a char++; char++ thing ;)
[10:55] <jenda> I would've done that too...
[10:55] <jenda> ...if I had an effin' clue how :)
[10:56] <Flannel> so... aeilqtuy are the rare characters
[10:57] <Flannel> although, I imagine the order is the answer
[10:59] <Flannel> mhmm. ok, so, level four ;)
[11:00] <Flannel> er, level three?  I could... oh, it started at level 0, didnt it
[11:01] <jenda> i think so
[11:01] <jenda> i did'nt count right, maybe :)
[11:01] <jenda> hello mgalvin :)
[11:02] <mgalvin> hi jenda :)
[11:02] <jenda> Flannel: the puzzle has it's own freenode IRC channel :)
[11:02] <jenda> #pythonchallenge
[11:03] <jenda> anyway... if I understand correctly, we're looking for three capital letters, one lowercase and three capitals. grepping didn't work for me for some reason...
[11:14] <Flannel> jenda: must be because of linebreaks, or something
[11:15] <jenda> that's what I'm thinking...
[11:16] <jenda> but removing linebreaks kills grep altogether, no?
[11:17] <Flannel> jenda: well, it'll return the line that it occurs in ;)
[11:17] <jenda> yep :)
[11:17] <jenda> vewy, vewy useful...
[11:18] <jenda> I tried egrep too, but it returns way too much.
[11:18] <jenda> aha
[11:18] <jenda> aha :)
[11:18] <Flannel> Ah.  Right, they do.  It's because it's three only, as in, not four
[11:18] <jenda> yep :)
[11:18] <jenda> mind reading :)
[11:19] <jenda> still getting 10 lines
[11:19] <jenda> OEKiVEY
[11:19] <jenda> ZADnMCZ
[11:19] <jenda> :\
[11:20] <jenda> ZUTkLYN
[11:20] <jenda> Looks like more than one in there... maybe one will be obviously special.
[11:22] <Flannel> there's nine
[11:23] <jenda> CNDeHSB; OIXdKBF; XJVlGZV; ZAGiLQZ; CJAsACF; KWGtIDC
[11:23] <jenda> yes
[11:23] <jenda> 9
[11:23] <jenda> aha
[11:24] <jenda> inkedlist
[11:24] <jenda> :)
[11:24] <jenda> sheesh...
[11:24] <Flannel> what?
[11:24] <jenda> they're only looking for the little letters
[11:24] <jenda> all nine :)
[11:24] <Flannel> mhmm
[11:24] <jenda> can you link me, I closed the window.
[11:24] <jenda> :)
[11:25] <Flannel> except... linkedlst.html doesn't work
[11:25] <jenda> inkedlist, no?
[11:25] <Flannel> no, there's an l first
[11:26] <Flannel> http://pythonchallenge.com/pc/def/inkedlist.html
[11:27] <jenda> hmm
[11:27] <Flannel> IQNlQSL, OEKiVEY, ZADnMCZ, ZUTkLYN, CNDeHSB, OIXdKBF, XJVlGZV, CJAsACF, KWGtIDC
[11:27] <jenda> you're right, my bad
[11:28] <jenda> Flannel: http://pythonchallenge.com/pc/def/linkedlist.html
[11:28] <jenda> duh :)
[11:28] <jenda> 10
[11:29] <jenda> I missed the first, you missed the i :)
[11:31] <Flannel> jenda: except, I couldve swore I tried that first
[11:31] <jenda> hehe
[11:35] <jenda> ANd the next one will probably take a long time to do by hand :)
[11:35] <Flannel> heh.  I'm probably going to hell by doing all this in perl ;)
[11:36] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:39] <jenda> Am I going to hell by attempting it manually?
[11:39] <jenda> 100000 combinations, it can't be that bad ;)
[11:42] <Flannel> psh, by the time you do that, it'll be easier to learn to code
[11:43] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:43] <jenda> true
[11:43] <Flannel> my perl script is only 20 lines, and that's with brackets on their own lines
[11:43] <jenda> Iwas joking.
[11:43] <jenda> This is the time where I leave off :)
[11:47] <Flannel> the... only problem is I don't see an end
[11:49] <jenda> it just keeps going?
[11:49] <Flannel> yeah, like it says, but also, it deosn't change
[11:49] <Flannel> there's no extra line in the output or anything
[11:51] <jenda> hmm
[11:51] <Flannel> 1383 is 292, if you want to try it
[11:52] <jenda> well, it can really go for thousands and still kinda make sense. dunno.
[11:53] <Flannel> the html says to only try ~300
[11:54] <jenda> hmm
[11:54] <jenda> ok
[11:54] <jenda> it's beyond me, really :)


[17:41] <SpamapS> hm
[17:41] <SpamapS> did trusty switch to upstart in the initrd?
[18:09] <xnox> no
[18:09] <xnox> SpamapS: what's up?
[18:13] <SpamapS> xnox: initrds going into graphics mode
[18:13] <SpamapS> xnox: thought maybe upstart was involved
[18:13] <SpamapS> makes ILO sad on my HP servers. :-/
[18:16] <xnox> SpamapS: initrd would go into graphics mode if plymouth is pulled into the initramfs for any reason, e.g. encrypted root would pull it in, or..... ( i hope not) cloud-overlayfs.
[18:16] <xnox> SpamapS: stuff.
[18:17] <xnox> SpamapS: "overlayroot" package.
[18:44] <SpamapS> xnox: I'll look into that. It is _REALLY_ frustrating.. I'm now passing all of this on the kernel command line:
[18:44] <SpamapS> pxe_append_params=nofb nomodeset vga=normal video=vesafb:off text


[03:39] <ojwb> it's hailing in wellington
[03:39] <ajmitch> nice to see it moving up the country
[03:40] <ajmitch> still hailing occasionally in dunedin
[03:40] <ojwb> you could have warned me, i'd hung the washing out
[03:40] <ojwb> it's now wetter than when it started
[03:40] <ojwb> perhaps I won't go in for perl mongers this evening
[07:40] <stuartyeates> \j #wikipedia-en
[07:40] <stuartyeates> \j #wikipedia-en
[10:05] <kcj> stuartyeates: Are you sleepy or something?


[13:13] <NCommander> morning cody-somerville
[13:16] <cody-somerville> Morning
[13:48] <cody-somerville> @schedule
[13:48] <cody-somerville> Waz happen to Xubuntu meeting? :-(
[13:53] <NCommander> No love
[13:55] <NCommander> Argh
[13:55] <NCommander> Package 'dbus-1', required by 'xfconf', not found
[13:55] <NCommander> Finally
[13:55] <cody-somerville> :-]
[13:56]  * NCommander uploads beta7
[13:56] <NCommander> :-/
[14:02] <cody-somerville> I dunno how long I can stay for the meeting so lets get started as soon as possible :-]
[14:03] <NCommander> Well
[14:03] <NCommander> Give it another minute
[14:03] <NCommander> Then we'll start
[14:04] <NCommander> Is it worth having a meeting with what, two people?
[14:07] <NCommander> cody-somerville, I'll chair if you feel the meeting is worth it
[14:07] <NCommander> that's three
[14:07] <mr_pouit> hi there
[14:08]  * Myrtti gets her glasses and microwaves some coffee
[14:08] <NCommander> sweet
[14:08] <NCommander> that's enough for me
[14:08] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:08] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:08] <cody-somerville> :]
[14:08] <NCommander> MootBot seems broken
[14:08] <cody-somerville> #startmeeting
[14:08]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:09] <cody-somerville> So, lets go over the follow up items
[14:10]  * NCommander makes sure mr_pouit and Myrtti are still with us
[14:10] <Myrtti> not that I can contribute much, but yes
[14:10] <NCommander> One of us should log the chat
[14:10] <NCommander> Since the bot is broken
[14:10] <NCommander> I guess we should start with recent events
[14:10] <Myrtti> I'm logging
[14:10] <Myrtti> hold on, checking
[14:11] <Myrtti> yes, it's logging
[14:11] <NCommander> We have a new Xubuntu-developer who shall remain nameless for his own safety
[14:11] <NCommander> ;-)
[14:12] <NCommander> Anyway, the first note here on the list is the Team Updates section (Packaging/etc.)
[14:12] <NCommander> xfce4.6-beta is mostly packaged, but beyond that, I got nothing
[14:12]  * Myrtti gets her laptop to burn ibex alt xubuntu installation disc to install on the laptop
[14:13] <cody-somerville> I've been working with upstream
[14:13] <NCommander> Ah, so I have you to thank for all the patches going upstream
[14:13] <NCommander> (I was able to remove almost 10-20 patches across the board since they rolled upstream)
[14:13] <NCommander> qdj
[14:13] <NCommander> *ack, netsplit
[14:13] <cody-somerville> I think this 4.6 alpha is the result of my prodding
[14:13] <cody-somerville> \o/
[14:13] <NCommander> We lost of mr_prouit
[14:14] <NCommander> And now they are back
[14:14] <cody-somerville> \o/
[14:14] <NCommander> mr_pouit, wb from the otherside of the split ;-)
[14:14] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive - current packaged xfce 4.6 beta is in the xubuntu-dev PPA
[14:14] <cody-somerville> In the artwork department, jmakz has an updated gdm theme that has yet to be updated
[14:15] <NCommander> Everything is packaged and works (ignore the xfprint failure, I just fixed that),
[14:15] <cody-somerville> Also, the xubuntu meta package needs uploading from and our branch needs merging with core-devs
[14:15] <NCommander> Come again?
[14:15] <cody-somerville> NCommander, xubuntu-meta needs uploading
[14:16] <NCommander> That's the meta packages that allows for easy updating if memory serves, right?
[14:16] <cody-somerville> Its xubuntu-desktop binary package
[14:16] <NCommander> Oh
[14:16] <NCommander> I'm not too familar with that part of the packaging, I'm still new here
[14:17] <NCommander> what's the hold up on that?
[14:17] <cody-somerville> I just need to get it done
[14:18] <NCommander> If you shove the sources somewhere, I can roll one for xfce4.6
[14:18] <NCommander> (its on my todo list once the last modules roll)
[14:18] <cody-somerville> It needs to be uploaded to the release achive :-]
[14:18] <cody-somerville> *archive
[14:18] <cody-somerville> and it is a script
[14:18] <NCommander> We need to work out the xfce 4.4 rdpepends when we roll 4.6
[14:18] <NCommander> A lot of the internal libraries got shuffled around
[14:18] <NCommander> So that's going to be nasty
[14:18] <cody-somerville> Okay.
[14:19] <NCommander> *-mcs is history, we have THREE new packages (xfconf, menu, and xfsettings)
[14:19] <cody-somerville> Okay.
[14:19] <NCommander> Once everything is confirmed and packaged, I'm going to drop xubuntu-devel/xubuntu-tester emails inviting them to beta test 4.6 beta
[14:19] <cody-somerville> Splendid.
[14:20] <NCommander> The only outstanding issue is a few man pages need to be authored
[14:20] <NCommander> I'll offer mentoring on the task, but I have no real interest in writing them
[14:20]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:20] <Myrtti> hmmm
[14:20] <cody-somerville> Good idea
[14:20] <Myrtti> O
[14:20] <NCommander> That's all I got for team updates
[14:20] <Myrtti> I'm a fairly newb, would this be something that I could do as a starters?
[14:21] <NCommander> Myrtti, if you are good at writing, it should be fairly straight forward
[14:21] <Myrtti> documenting and such is one of my few fortes
[14:21] <NCommander> Wait until Xfce 4.6 rolls though
[14:21] <NCommander> make sure your an xubuntu-tester on LP
[14:21] <Myrtti> I know about nothing but I might want to give it a try if there is someone to mentor me through the process
[14:21] <Myrtti> I'll enroll right away
[14:21] <NCommander> Catch me after the meeting
[14:22] <NCommander> Ok, so thats the basis of Team Updates
[14:22] <NCommander> Now we have two outstandings from the last meeting
[14:22]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:22] <NCommander> goffice without the -gtk variant
[14:22] <NCommander> I know nothing on this, any ideas?
[14:22] <cody-somerville> Thats done
[14:22]  * NCommander scratchs it
[14:22] <NCommander> How about possibly removing xfve4-session
[14:22] <cody-somerville> I don't think we should do that anymore
[14:23] <NCommander> (I should note I already updated and merged patches for 4.6 ;-))
[14:23] <cody-somerville> but we should consider making session saving disabled by default
[14:23] <NCommander> What was the motivation behind that
[14:23] <NCommander> That I will agree to
[14:23] <cody-somerville> The motivation is that upstream plans to deprecate it anyhow in the future because of problems with it
[14:23] <NCommander> It means we'll need a new logout panel
[14:23] <NCommander> Since xfce-session supplies that
[14:24] <cody-somerville> Right
[14:24] <NCommander> We'll put it to a vote on the list (although I guess we need an Xubuntu/Voting/Policy ;-)) over it
[14:25] <NCommander> Ok, goals for Xubuntu 8.10
[14:26] <NCommander> Standard disclaimer: Freeze date is in a week
[14:26] <cody-somerville> I have a patch to make starting Xfce4 faster
[14:27] <cody-somerville> I'm going to play with it today or tomorrow
[14:27] <NCommander> Can we get it rolled upstream, or should we shove it in our packaging?
[14:27] <cody-somerville> It'll probably make it for 4.6
[14:27] <cody-somerville> but 4.4 is frozen
[14:27] <cody-somerville> so we'll shove it in our packaging
[14:27] <NCommander> Do you want me to roll it and drop it in -testers for beta testing, or shall you?
[14:30] <NCommander> Are we going to roll 4.6 for 8.10?
[14:30] <NCommander> (it doesn't look like a final will be available in time though)
[14:32]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:32] <cody-somerville> I have to run for breakfast
[14:32] <NCommander> I guess concludes that
[14:32] <NCommander> We can compare notes when you return


[22:38] <Hey_> roaksoax: if your around, could you explain the relevance of the name= attribute, is it simply a label, or does it affect how images are added to maas
[22:38] <Hey_> would love feedback regarding this
[22:39] <Hey_> The information regarding this is too vague
[22:39] <Hey_> or if you could simply direct me to the correct docmenatioan