[12:05] <samoura>  __ /home/samoura there is NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg0.run and how do i excute this?
[12:06] <SkrotFFS> samoura: cd /home/samoura;chmod a+x NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg0.run;./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg0.run but why do you want to do that?
[12:07] <samoura> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[12:07] <Mrono> I can play em in mplayer but that is simple
[12:07] <samoura> i am following after this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368 to install driver nvidia
[12:07] <hDp`> NeeD MerC FR
[12:15] <os2mac> does anyone use Firefox on Kubuntu?
[12:16] <Mrono> I do
[12:16] <SkrotFFS> So do I
[12:16] <Mrono> !firefox
[12:16] <SkrotFFS> For whatever pages konqueror can't handle at least
[12:17] <Mrono> !tell os2mac about firefox
[12:17] <Hobbsee> os2mac: i do as well, what did you want to know?
[12:17] <os2mac> I am having a problem with it... when ever I go to certian websites (cnn.com for example) the browser just shuts down....
[12:17] <JasonF> !tell me about firefox
[12:18] <os2mac> I can fix this by disabling javascript in the options but that limits functionality....
[12:18] <os2mac> anyone got any ideas how to correct?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> os2mac: which version of firefox?
[12:20] <os2mac> current one...
[12:22] <os2mac> 1.5 with no updates
[12:24] <os2mac> Hobbsee?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> os2mac: hmmm - not reproducing it here, dapper with the firefox from the mozilla site
[12:25] <samoura> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[12:25] <samoura> ctl-alt-f1 (so as to get to the command line, not a windowed terminal, but out of the graphical interface GUI)
[12:25] <samoura>
[12:25] <samoura>  login with your username and password (if required)
[12:25] <samoura>
[12:25] <samoura>  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or "kdm stop" if you use KDE)
[12:25] <samoura>
[12:25] <samoura>  cd directory where you have the nvidia installer
[12:26] <samoura> what with cd }
[12:26] <m_1una> I cannot open anything
[12:26] <m_1una> neither the Terminal
[12:26] <os2mac> Hobbsee... I am on breezy.
[12:26] <Hobbsee> os2mac: true, but you'd be using the same version of firefox then.  i'm not sure why you'd have taht problem
[12:27] <Hobbsee> samoura: please see !enter, and where did you download the nvidia installer to?  your home directory?
[12:27] <samoura> yess
[12:27] <__mikem> !enter whats that
[12:27] <ubotu> __mikem: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:28] <os2mac> maybe I need to reinstall
[12:28] <__mikem> !enter
[12:28] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[12:28] <samoura> cd directory where you have the nvidia installer i don't understand this
[12:28] <Hobbsee> samoura: did you download a nvidia installer?
[12:28] <os2mac> ubotu:!firefox.15
[12:28] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, os2mac
[12:28] <__mikem> !flood
[12:28] <ubotu> somebody said flood was for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[12:28] <os2mac> ubotu:!firefox1.5
[12:28] <ubotu> os2mac: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:28] <samoura> i downloaded
[12:28] <Hobbsee> !+msgthebot
[12:28] <__mikem> !troll
[12:28] <ubotu> Please message the bot (me) in private, more info about the bot: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:28] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[12:28] <samoura> yess i downloaded
[12:28] <os2mac> !firefox1.5
[12:28] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[12:28] <samoura> Send a message via AIM to tseliot
[12:29] <samoura> Default   HOWTO: Latest NVIDIA drivers
[12:29] <samoura> If you want to install Nvidia driver with the nvidia installer (I've tried v.7667) and you use a kernel from Ubuntu Hoary or you compiled it from Hoary sources (or kernel.org sources), then just try this HOWTO.
[12:29] <samoura>  If you have a kernel from Ubuntu Breezy then try this HOWTO:
[12:29] <samoura>  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=52924 OR just look at point 2 of the problems section of THIS guide.
[12:29] <samoura>
[12:29] <Hobbsee> samoura: where did you download it to?
[12:29] <__mikem> !bot abuse
[12:29] <ubotu> somebody said bot abuse was a bannable offense
[12:29] <samoura> to home&samoura
[12:29] <Hobbsee> well...that saves me having to do it lol...
[12:29] <__mikem> !ban
[12:29] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ok, so just cd - cd means change directory
[12:29] <__mikem> sorry, its fun to abuse ubotu though
[12:29] <Hobbsee> and samoura: dont paste, otherwise i will kick and/or ban you
[12:30] <samoura> okei sorry
[12:30] <Hobbsee> __mikem: it's also fun to kick/ban you, yes :P
[12:30] <__mikem> ok, ok, sorry
[12:30] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:30] <Mrono> hmmmmmm
[12:31] <m_1una> ciao
[12:31] <samoura>  <Hobbsee> cd means change diroctory i don't understand what change diroctory? please tell me i am new in linux
[12:31] <Mrono> hmmm
[12:31] <Hobbsee> samoura: cd to the directory you downloaded means "if you downloaded it to the Desktop, then you type "cd Desktop" into a console, then do the next step from there
[12:31] <Hobbsee> !cli
[12:31] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[12:31] <Mrono> video is annoying to get working correctly
[12:31] <sorin4u> salve
[12:32] <__mikem> cd is also a windows shell command
[12:32] <sorin4u> este cineva din romania?
[12:33] <Phazeman> __mikem: actually it is not :)
[12:33] <Phazeman> it's a DOS shell command :)
[12:33] <__mikem> They are the same d*mn thing
[12:33] <Phazeman> _also_ ;-)
[12:33] <sorin4u> do you understand my language?
[12:33] <Phazeman> __mikem: well.. not exactly
[12:33] <Phazeman> :-)
[12:34] <Chousuke> aahh... DOS.
[12:34] <Phazeman> but nevermind
[12:34] <sorin4u> its easy
[12:34] <Phazeman> Chousuke: lol
[12:34] <__mikem> AAAHHH OSX
[12:34] <__mikem> lol jk
[12:34] <Chousuke> installing kdevelop with fink
[12:34] <Chousuke> whee.
[12:35] <Chousuke> I wonder if it'll be compiling in the morning still.
[12:35] <__mikem> what are you doing in the ubuntu chanel if you are using OSX
[12:35] <__mikem> I am on ubuntu
[12:35] <__mikem> right now
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Chousuke: you usually run kubuntu dont you?
[12:35] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: just apt-get update/upgrade and all back online :)
[12:35] <Chousuke> Hobbsee: Not actually.
[12:35] <Chousuke> I'm here because I'm interested in Ubuntu and kubuntu
[12:35] <Hobbsee> __mikem: that means i could ask you the same question...
[12:35] <Phazeman> __mikem: why does it matter which distro he runs ?
[12:36] <Chousuke> I was a user of Ubuntu before my old machine broke and I bought a powerbook.
[12:36] <Phazeman> i run kubuntu and i'm on #mandriva too
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Chousuke: for some weird reason i thought you were already running it
[12:36] <Hobbsee> fun
[12:36] <__mikem> Phazeman it doesn't, why?
[12:36] <os2mac> hobbsee: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/569363
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: yay :)
[12:36] <Phazeman> < __mikem> what are you doing in the ubuntu chanel if you are using OSX
[12:36] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: i was an op there once
[12:36] <Phazeman> before the general reconstruction of freenode
[12:36] <__mikem> OSX is for MAC isn't it
[12:36] <Phazeman> __mikem: yah
[12:37] <Hobbsee> os2mac: probably file a bug for it, not sure
[12:37] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: look at my hostmask :)
[12:37] <__mikem> And its based on FreeBSD, not Linux
[12:37] <Hobbsee> do what it says to get a backtrace
[12:37] <Phazeman> __mikem: yep
[12:37] <Chousuke> OS X is really cool. it has some things I want to see in Linux.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> heh nice
[12:37] <Chousuke> Most of all quicksilver. :P
[12:37] <Chousuke> ;(
[12:37] <__mikem> my point exactly
[12:37] <Chousuke> Katapult just doesn't cut it.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> what's quicksilver again?
[12:37] <Phazeman> Chousuke: the only thing i miss from OS X or W$ is photoshop
[12:37] <__mikem> Hobbsee Mercury
[12:38] <Chousuke> Hobbsee: swiss army knife of the software world.
[12:38] <Chousuke> and duct tape
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah, but it's a launcher?
[12:38] <__mikem> google is your friend
[12:38] <Chousuke> that's its most basic functionality. :)
[12:38] <Mrono> you know why major software companies don't develop for linux
[12:39] <Chousuke> you can use QS in any way the plugins and your imagination allow you to.
[12:39] <Phazeman> monopoly and $
[12:39] <Mrono> support
[12:39] <__mikem> Because they are too proud to admit that linux is better
[12:39] <Mrono> think of how hard it would be to support it
[12:39] <Phazeman> Mrono: not actually.. because they don't care about operation system that doesn't have the corporate ws
[12:39] <Mrono> all those different distrobutions
[12:39] <__mikem> I can get free linux tech support, all I have to do is call my brother
[12:39] <Hobbsee> about as hard to support as all the repositories are
[12:39] <Mrono> you have your theory and I have mine
[12:40] <Phazeman> __mikem: thats why IRC is always here for me
[12:40] <Mrono> :)
[12:40] <__mikem> Yeh that to
[12:40] <Mrono> i've gotten so much help in ihere
[12:40] <Mrono> i'd be back at square one if I wasn't in ihere
[12:40] <__mikem> Same here, I usually just like to hang out here and watch peoples suggestions on fixing problems, its a great way to learn
[12:41] <Phazeman> Mrono: fortunately for me, the first linux experience for me under the watch of an older debian'ist that helped me alot
[12:41] <Phazeman> then i came to #mandriva (#mandrake at past)
[12:41] <Mrono> this is my first linux experience
[12:41] <Phazeman> ahh
[12:41] <Mrono> i'm acually sticking to it
[12:41] <__mikem> My brother and father are red hat diehards
[12:41] <__mikem> they both think fedora is the best
[12:41] <Mrono> I havent booted into windows for a few days
[12:42] <Chousuke> Hobbsee: Today I discovered a rather leet  thing about QS. You can use it from the command line.  Its nothing more than the remains a dev group that went to the dark side
[12:42] <Hobbsee> ooh fun!
[12:42] <Phazeman> __mikem: remember that almost the only distro that suporrted by oracle is fedora
[12:42] <Chousuke> this means I can do find ./ whatever  and pipe the output to QS, and do whatever atrocities I want with the files.
[12:42] <Phazeman> so what is QS ? some one enlight me ?
[12:42] <Chousuke> though you can do that with pipes and command line utilities.
[12:43] <Chousuke> but the trick is, QS does the same for GUI apps :)
[12:43] <Phazeman> people.. show off your desktops... :-)
[12:44] <Phazeman> some screenshots would be nice to see
[12:44] <Phazeman> :)
[12:44] <__mikem> I am currently in gnome, if you want me to launch kde, I can though
[12:44] <__mikem> I have both installed on my laptop
[12:44] <Phazeman> __mikem: it doesn't matter, i don't like gnome though
[12:44] <Phazeman> gnome is "the old way" for me...
[12:44] <Phazeman> just never liked it..
[12:45] <Phazeman> fluxbox or kde when i have the resource for it
[12:45] <__mikem> I like kde better also, but when I opened the lid of my laptop this morning, gnome was running, and I didn't feel like logging out and back in
[12:46] <Phazeman> __mikem: it's only a personal choice thingy... i really don't care what people use... but it has to be a good looking thingy :)
[12:46] <Phazeman> __mikem: show off the desktop :)
[12:46] <__mikem> Then I would imagine that you hate xfce for all thats holly
[12:46] <Phazeman> __mikem: i don't hate anything
[12:46] <__mikem> excuse me, "don't like" xfce for all that is holly
[12:47] <Phazeman> i don't thing that a sluggish DM with the look of gnome can work better then a normaly configured fluxbox
[12:47] <Phazeman> xfce is slow and resources eating thing
[12:47] <Phazeman> did you try e17 ?
[12:47] <__mikem> e17?
[12:47] <__mikem> !e17
[12:47] <Phazeman> :-)
[12:48] <Phazeman> you don' tknow what is it ??? really ???
[12:48] <__mikem> Yes, I am a noobe
[12:48] <Phazeman> http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/
[12:48] <Phazeman> it's the general look so you'll have the idea what is it
[12:49] <Phazeman> it's a beta but a VERY solid one
[12:49] <Phazeman> looks very good i think
[12:49] <__mikem> Wow, thats nice
[12:49] <Phazeman> and runs very fast
[12:49] <__mikem> it almost looks better than kde
[12:49] <Phazeman> unfortunately i can't see an apt package for it in my repositories
[12:49] <Phazeman> it looks better
[12:49] <Phazeman> and runs faster
[12:49] <Phazeman> IMHO off course
[12:50] <Chousuke> People: try ion3. ;)
[12:50] <__mikem> when theres a stable release, Ill definitely try it
[12:50] <__mikem> I dont use beta software though
[12:50] <__mikem> !ion3
[12:50] <ubotu> rumour has it, ion3 is a window manager
[12:50] <__mikem> Chousuke how about a url
[12:51] <Chousuke> ion3 doesn't have much fluff
[12:51] <Chousuke> but it's interesting.
[12:51] <Phazeman> __mikem: i think it will take time... but e17 is developed for a long time now.. i think it's like wine... no release :)
[12:51] <Mrono> hmm
[12:51] <Phazeman> Chousuke: did you see the e17 thingy ?
[12:51] <Mrono> I think I saw that package
[12:51] <Phazeman> i've tried it on my mandy machine some time ago
[12:51] <Chousuke> http://www.modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/
[12:51] <Phazeman> Mrono: ?
[12:51] <__mikem> Phazeman I still can't believe you said xfce runs slow
[12:51] <Mrono> enlightenment
[12:52] <Phazeman> __mikem: it's VERY sluggish on my machine... fluxbox is _much_ faster
[12:52] <Mrono> yeah it's installed
[12:52] <Phazeman> Mrono: which repository ?
[12:52] <Mrono> can't tell
[12:52] <__mikem> !fluxbox
[12:52] <ubotu> it has been said that fluxbox is a lightweight window manager.  Installation instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fluxbox.  More information at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net
[12:52] <Phazeman> better... what is the name of the package ? may be a loog for a wrong thingy
[12:53] <Mrono> The Enlightenment Window Manager
[12:53] <Phazeman> __mikem: gimme a sec.. i'll try to locate some screenshot of mine
[12:53] <Phazeman> Mrono: it's e16
[12:53] <Mrono> package enlightenment
[12:53] <Phazeman> the stable
[12:53] <Mrono> ah
[12:53] <Mrono> I see
[12:53] <Mrono> how is ito
[12:53] <Mrono> it*
[12:53] <Phazeman> Mrono: never tried it...
[12:54] <Phazeman> i've tried only e17 and it was about a year ago
[12:54] <__mikem> I saw the screen shots on their website
[12:54] <Mrono> man, for the life of me I just can not get video playing
[12:54] <__mikem> hold on
[12:54] <__mikem> brb
[12:57] <__mikem> ok back
[12:57] <__mikem> I switched over to kde
[12:57] <Mrono> how did you do that
[12:58] <__mikem> I have a duel instalation of kde and gnome
[12:58] <__mikem> I also have xfce on here
[12:58] <Mrono> do you have to reboot to change windows systems
[12:59] <__mikem> no, gdm, or kdm allows you to choose the session that loads, all you have to do is log out, sellect a session type, and log back in
[12:59] <Mrono> ah
[12:59] <Mrono> hmm
[01:00] <__mikem> theres really no point to a set up like this, unless your like me and can't decide between desktop environments
[01:00] <Mrono> lol
[01:00] <Mrono> true
[01:01] <callie> hmmmmm any ideas what i can do with this old computer i found?
[01:02] <callie> i need a project or something
[01:02] <__mikem> is it a complete computer
[01:02] <callie> it will be in a couple of days
[01:02] <callie> just waiting for some SDRAM to arrive
[01:02] <__mikem> then, install ubuntu/kubuntu on it
[01:02] <Mrono> make a streaming media server
[01:02] <__mikem> and/or do that
[01:03] <callie> __mikem, i'm already runniong kubuntu on this box
[01:03] <__mikem> o ok
[01:03] <callie> hence me being in #kubuntu
[01:04] <__mikem> I was in gnome a few secconds ago, and I have beeen hanging out in kubuntu all day
[01:04] <Mrono> who can play videos
[01:04] <__mikem> I can
[01:04] <Mrono> what do you use
[01:04] <__mikem> kaffine
[01:04] <Mrono> with what engine
[01:05] <__mikem> you need to install some packages, I forgot which ones though, it was a while since I did it
[01:05] <callie> just download the whole repository
[01:05] <blackflag> hello all
[01:06] <robotgeek> hey blackflag
[01:06] <blackflag> I have a modem question
[01:06] <callie> hey blackflag
[01:06] <robotgeek> oops, i dunno anything about modems, sorry
[01:06] <blackflag> I have a telphone system installed
[01:06] <__mikem> !modems
[01:06] <ubotu> __mikem: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:06] <blackflag> its connected via USB
[01:06] <blackflag> and I want to use Hylafax
[01:07] <blackflag> but I dont know which port the modem is connected to
[01:07] <__mikem> port 80
[01:07] <blackflag> is there a command to find this out?
[01:07] <callie> or do you mean usb port?
[01:07] <callie> lsusb will do that
[01:07] <blackflag> there is a USB hub between
[01:07] <Mrono> i think I know why my fglrx doesn't work
[01:08] <__mikem> do tell
[01:08] <Mrono> why i'm not getting my ati card working with 3d
[01:08] <blackflag> and in / /dev I have about 15 USB devices
[01:08] <Mrono> I have kernal 2.6.10
[01:08] <Mrono> 686
[01:08] <blackflag> so how can I find the modem?
[01:08] <Mrono> the drivers are for kernal 2.6.12
[01:08] <Mrono> 686
[01:08] <Mrono> how do IO upgrade
[01:08] <Mrono> I*
[01:09] <callie> blackflag, lsusb like i said
[01:09] <blackflag> I tried lsusb
[01:09] <blackflag> there is the modem
[01:09] <blackflag> but in dev tehere are ttyUSb1....15
[01:09] <blackflag> so which is it?
[01:10] <blackflag> lsusb dont tell it to me
[01:10] <blackflag> so which ttyUSB is it?
[01:11] <callie> dude
[01:11] <callie> hang on
[01:12] <N6pfk> Hello.  Kubuntu is the first live distro I have tried that recognizes my built in wifi chip as eth1 but I can't seem to enable the transmitter?
[01:12] <callie> im assuming that you tried ttyusb1 blackflag ?
[01:12] <blackflag> yes
[01:12] <callie> and the other 14?
[01:12] <__mikem> Does anyone know how to run rhapsody on linux
[01:12] <blackflag> is it the only way to try step by step
[01:12] <blackflag> there is no command which is tell it to me?
[01:12] <ryanakca> how do you get the hot keys at the top of the keyboard (like the play, web, back, refresh, etc) to work? (in kde)....... I'm told sticky keys is what I want, but I cant seem to find out how that would be it... in case you're wondering what I mean by hotkeys, look at the grey keys at the top of the keyboard.... surrounded by blue plastic: http://image.devpia.com/Devpia/MSProduct/UploadImage/natural_multimedia.gif
[01:12] <callie> i dont know blackflag
[01:13] <ryanakca> the keys get recognised by Gnome, but KDE ignores them...
[01:13] <N6pfk> The module is ipw2200.
[01:13] <__mikem> what is black flag
[01:13] <callie> a band
[01:13] <blackflag> yes, also
[01:15] <N6pfk> I am using a compaq v2000 laptop with a Turion 64 processer.
[01:16] <ryanakca> how do you get the hot keys at the top of the keyboard (like the play, web, back, refresh, etc) to work? (in kde)....... I'm told sticky keys is what I want, but I cant seem to find out how that would be it... in case you're wondering what I mean by hotkeys, look at the grey keys at the top of the keyboard.... surrounded by blue plastic: http://image.devpia.com/Devpia/MSProduct/UploadImage/natural_multimedia.gif       They are also what make
[01:18] <__mikem> you already said this
[01:20] <Mrono> I th ought that looked familier
[01:26] <man2d> hi all
[01:27] <man2d> i have a problem with running counter-strike 1.6 with wine, can smb help?
[01:27] <blackflag> transgaming.com
[01:27] <blackflag> show for winex
[01:27] <man2d> i used manual on linux-gamers.net
[01:28] <man2d> game loaded, but very buggy
[01:33] <callie> sounds like wine to me
[01:34] <callie> never really had much success with it really
[01:35] <tristanmike> Hi, I'm having a problem with Kweather, as in it doesn't seem to work, can someone please give me a hand?
[01:35] <callie> tristanmike, if you want use superkaramba and Liquid weather
[01:35] <callie> check it out
[01:36] <tristanmike> callie, I was wondering about superkaramba, what is it exactly?
[01:36] <callie> !superkaramba
[01:36] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[01:36] <tristanmike> I noticed there is karamba and superkaramba, what are the differences?
[01:36] <callie> !karamba
[01:36] <ubotu> callie: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:36] <ryanakca> anybody know how to make the keys at the top of an internet keyboard work in kde? (like hotkeys)
[01:37] <callie> i think its just an older version of superkaramba tristanmike
[01:37] <tristanmike> callie, that's what I figured, but I'm still new to all of this, is superkaramba hard to configure, or does it take over my desktop, lol?
[01:37] <Mrono> I don't like it
[01:38] <callie> i love it
[01:38] <Mrono> it doesn't work very well
[01:38] <Mrono> or at all really
[01:38] <callie> works fine here
[01:38] <tristanmike> what would you suggest Mrono?
[01:38] <callie> you probably dont have the right libraries Mrono
[01:38] <Mrono> I don't have anything to suggest for widgets
[01:40] <tristanmike> When I go to configure the Weather Report applet, it just says "Empty Page" and displays nothing, and where the icon for the weather is suppose to be, it's just blank...any ideas?
[01:40] <callie> you probably need to direct to a weather server or something
[01:41] <Mrono> it errored when I tried to install liquid weather
[01:41] <Mrono> now I can't uninstall it to try again
[01:41] <callie> what was the error Mrono ?
[01:41] <Mrono> i don't remember
[01:41] <Mrono> it was earlier today
[01:41] <tristanmike> callie, there is no configure screen, that's the problem
[01:42] <callie> tristanmike, i've never used Kweather so i dont know, try looking on some forums
[01:42] <tristanmike> yeah, it seems to work for everyone else, lol
[01:42] <CellarDoor> hello kubuntu'ers
[01:42] <callie> heya CellarDoor
[01:43] <CellarDoor> hi callie
[01:43] <tristanmike> callie, so i just installed superkaramba, now what...lol, care to give me a quick tutorial?
[01:43] <CellarDoor> Anyone in the mood for some Gates bashing humor ?
[01:43] <CellarDoor> I found some quotes ;)
[01:43] <tristanmike> I'm _always_ in the mood for Gates bashing, lol
[01:43] <Mrono> sure
[01:44] <CellarDoor> hehe
[01:44] <CellarDoor> "There are people who don't like capitalism, and people who don't like PCs.  But there's no-one who likes the PC who doesn't like Microsoft" - Bill Gates, Free Market and the LA Times
[01:44] <tristanmike> lol
[01:45] <CellarDoor> "I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. As the successor to DOS, which has over 10,000,000 systems in use, it creates incredible opportunities for
[01:45] <CellarDoor> everyone involved with PCs." - Bill Gates, from "OS/2 Programmer's Guide" (forward by Bill Gates)
[01:45] <Mrono> heh
[01:45] <CellarDoor> :P
[01:45] <Mrono> he once said that he would never see anyone using more the 32kb of memory
[01:46] <CellarDoor> "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates circa 1981
[01:46] <Mrono> that's what it was
[01:46] <CellarDoor> yeah
[01:46] <CellarDoor> "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good." - Bill Gates on the solid code base of Win9X
[01:47] <Tm_T> =)
[01:47] <CellarDoor> "Anybody who thinks a little 9,000-line program that's distributed free and can be cloned by anyone is going to affect anything we do at Microsoft has his head screwed on wrong." - Bill Gates to George Gilder responding to Java (shortly before licensing Java and dumping Blackbird).
[01:47] <callie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:4mbramvax.jpg this is what 4MB of ram used to look like
[01:48] <CellarDoor> wow
[01:48] <CellarDoor> lol
[01:48] <Mrono> woah
[01:48] <ryanakca> anybody know how to make the keys at the top of an internet keyboard work in kde? (like hotkeys)
[01:48] <CellarDoor> hmm ryanakca dunno, I've got those, but I never used them even when I had Windows :P
[01:49] <Mrono> ah crud
[01:49] <ryanakca> holy... that's huge... 4mb.... lol
[01:49] <Mrono> screwed up my xine engine
[01:49] <Mrono> and none of the others worked
[01:49] <Mrono> !wifi
[01:49] <ubotu> well, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[01:49] <CellarDoor> "There won't be anything we won't say to people to try and convince them that our way is the way to go." - Bill Gates on Microsoft marketing
[01:49] <callie> imagine a gig of that stuff!
[01:50] <CellarDoor> callie: dont scare me
[01:50] <callie> lol
[01:51] <callie> imagine 3 gig of that stuff!
[01:51] <CellarDoor> Imagine how may ENIAC type computers you'd need to play Quake4 ?
[01:51] <callie> lmao
[01:51] <CellarDoor> :P
[01:51] <callie> or quake 1 even
[01:51] <adub> when i open network settings for my network in kde i cant click administrator mode because the screen is too large
[01:51] <adub> and when i go to resize it wont let me?????
[01:52] <callie> thats a known bug i think adub
[01:52] <CellarDoor> hmm
[01:52] <adub> callie is there a work around
[01:52] <callie> annoyingly i dont know
[01:52] <Mrono> grrrrr
[01:52] <adub> KDE: 3.4.3 is my version
[01:52] <Mrono> xine was unable to initialize any audio-drivers.
[01:53] <Mrono> hey adub
[01:53] <robotgeek_away> adub: alt + drag
[01:53] <robotgeek_away> gotta go, later
[01:53] <callie> c ya robotgeek_away
[01:54] <adub> thanks
[01:54] <Mrono> is it like this http://www.mrono.net/main/lazy-index.php?file=blogcontent/kde343bugsyssettings.png
[01:54] <CellarDoor> do I need to update my sources to upgrade from kde350 to 351.... and uh, is it worth it ? Or shall I just wait till the next kubuntu release ?
[01:54] <adub> heh i cant win for losing
[01:55] <adub> now it wont let me into administrator mode??
[01:55] <Mrono> why
[01:55] <adub> well it seems to authenticate the password but then everything is grey and at the top it still says changes in this section require root access
[01:55] <adub> :)
[01:55] <CellarDoor> I'm gonna get a box full of kubuntu ship it disks next release... because I can :)
[01:56] <CellarDoor> ooh does anyone know about the problem with BenQ dvd burners ?
[01:57] <CellarDoor> I have a couple of friends who cant install kubuntu via their BenQ drives (one of them used my pioneer without problem, but kubuntu still wouldnt recognise his BenQ afterwards) ??
[01:58] <adub> well network settings wont let me do anything within kde
[01:58] <adub> lol anyhow
[01:58] <CellarDoor> no problem with network settings here... but I'm using kde 3.5.0
[01:59] <blackflag> okay , again, when I do lsusb then it tells me Bus 001 device 005 so what is the device in /dev ?
[01:59] <MrBallZ> hi
[02:00] <MrBallZ> is kubuntu a good replacement for Sarge ?
[02:00] <callie> blackflag, you could have tried tty1-15 by now 10 times over
[02:01] <blackflag> yes, and tis not a good solution to do it so
[02:01] <callie> y not?
[02:01] <blackflag> we are talking about linux and linux is comfoprtabel
[02:01] <CellarDoor> MrBallZ: you could start a very long debate on such a topic :P
[02:01] <blackflag> so I think there must be a command or something else for it
[02:02] <callie> that im not denying, but no one here seems to know, so i'm merely stating that its the next best solution
[02:02] <Mrono> hey adub
[02:02] <Mrono> try this
[02:02] <CellarDoor> Interviewer:  Is studying computer science the best way to prepare to be a programmer? Gates:  No, the best way to prepare is to write programs, and to study
[02:02] <CellarDoor> great programs that other people have written.  In my case, I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out listings of their operating system. - Bill Gates, from "Programmers at Work" by Microsoft Press, interview with Bill
[02:02] <MrBallZ> CellarDoor: i know i know, the thing is that sometimes I would like to have some of the newest versions of several progz, and other software ... and I do love the stability and security of Sarge , but I'm thinking on trying kubuntu for my laptop ...
[02:02] <Mrono> open up a run command, type kcontrol &
[02:03] <Mrono> anyone here using kubuntu on a toshiba laptop
[02:03] <CellarDoor> MrBallZ: ah yes, I like the bleeding edge too :P
[02:03] <s_v_e_n> Hallo, any Idea How to use scripting in Knoda, a KDE-SQL-Frontend. "hk_classes-python" ist missing  !    ???
[02:03] <s_v_e_n> Is there a *.deb ???
[02:04] <CellarDoor> "If you don't know what you need Windows NT for, you don't need it." - Bill Gates
[02:05] <MrBallZ> CellarDoor: hahahah , the thing is that I would like to have newest KDE , kphoto, better wifi suppport , newest kernels faster ...
[02:05] <CellarDoor> MrBallZ: yeah
[02:06] <CellarDoor> whats kphoto like, I dont think I've tried that ?
[02:07] <CellarDoor> "Imagine the disincentive to software development if after months of work another company could come along and copy your work and market it under it's own name...without legal restraints to such copying, companies like Apple could not afford to advance the state of the art." - Bill Gates, on Microsoft's GUI innovations (unconfirmed quote)
[02:10] <man2d> !dapper
[02:10] <CellarDoor> oh its part of koffice ?
[02:11] <CellarDoor> I havent played with koffice in a while :$
[02:11] <ryanakca> I found my keyboard... I just don't know what "kind" of keyboard it is for kcontrol... you guys have any clue: http://can-tech.com.tw/CAN-3000.htm  ?
[02:14] <MrBallZ> CellarDoor: Kphoto is very good for digicams
[02:14] <CellarDoor> MrBallZ: ah rite... I'm installing Koffice now
[02:15] <MrBallZ> i just said kphoto ... its not part of koffice ...
[02:15] <CellarDoor> oh
[02:15] <CellarDoor> dang
[02:15] <MrBallZ> I  think ill go back to #debian ...
[02:15] <MrBallZ> hahahaha
[02:15] <MrBallZ> bye
[02:15] <CellarDoor> I google'd and saw mention of it
[02:15] <CellarDoor> pfft
[02:15] <CellarDoor> snobby debian users
[02:16] <brendan_> lol
[02:16] <CellarDoor> kphoto isn't on the repos
[02:16] <tristanmike> can someone help with a compiling problem?
[02:16] <brendan_> sure, what's up?
[02:17] <tristanmike> I'm trying to compile Superkaramba and I'm getting an odd error
[02:17] <CellarDoor> ooh
[02:17] <tristanmike> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[02:17] <tristanmike> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[02:17] <tristanmike> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[02:17] <brendan_> try ./configure --prefix=/usr
[02:17] <brendan_> that's the default for kubuntu
[02:17] <Mrono> I had issues with superkamba configuring it and making it as well
[02:18] <tristanmike> Mrono, lol
[02:18] <tristanmike> brendan_, no, that didn't work, same error
[02:18] <brendan_> isn't there a .deb? I feel like it's part of the standard install
[02:18] <tristanmike> I don't know, the one in the repos is .36
[02:19] <callie> i have .37 in my repo
[02:20] <brendan_> ok, tristanmike, you might need the kde-devel package
[02:20] <brendan_> if you don't have it installed, that is
[02:21] <tristanmike> I'll try
[02:21] <brendan_> I haven't actually compiled superkaramba on kubuntu, though I don't remember having a whole lot of problems on sid a few months ago
[02:22] <tristanmike> If things can go wrong they usually do for me
[02:22] <CellarDoor> does kphoto even exist ?
[02:22] <CellarDoor> I've never heard of it
[02:22] <CellarDoor> can't seem to find anything on it
[02:22] <brendan_> hmmm, yeah, I've got superkaramba .38 installed under 3.5.1
[02:23] <CellarDoor> I thought superkaramba was part of kde
[02:23] <CellarDoor> as of 3.5
[02:23] <tristanmike> brendan_, just like to say....BINGO!
[02:23] <Mrono> hey guys
[02:23] <brendan_> kde-devel worked?
[02:24] <tristanmike> yessir, thanx a bunch
[02:24] <Mrono> why would iwconfig of wirelesstools hang
[02:24] <brendan_> no worries
[02:24] <Mrono> it just sits there
[02:24] <CellarDoor> Mrono: no idea :P
[02:24] <brendan_> you need it for kde native themes too, so it's good to have anyways
[02:24] <tristanmike> sure, I'm cool
[02:24] <SmrtJustin> how can I make my system clock ETC instead of UTC, so my scripts that require the date command aren't off?
[02:24] <julian> hi everybody
[02:25] <CellarDoor> hey does anyone have any "new" screenshots of KDE4... got any scoops ?
[02:25] <CellarDoor> hi julian
[02:25] <julian> which is the kubuntu channel in spanish?
[02:25] <CellarDoor> There is a kubuntu channel in spanish ?
[02:25] <julian> how do i list all channels in korversation?
[02:25] <julian> there is
[02:25] <CellarDoor> uh... /list
[02:26] <Mrono> what is midnight commander
[02:26] <CellarDoor> file management
[02:26] <Mrono> ah
[02:26] <Mrono> i see
[02:26] <CellarDoor> :P
[02:27] <CellarDoor> not that I've ever really used it
[02:27] <brendan_> julian, try #kubuntu-es
[02:27] <brendan_> all of them are listed at http://www.kubuntu.org/support.php
[02:27] <CellarDoor> aah
[02:28] <CellarDoor> freenode... geek paradise
[02:28] <brendan_> never been in there, but the website seems to suggest it exists
[02:28] <brendan_> lol, yea
[02:28] <brendan_> h
[02:28] <CellarDoor> I should be an advertising exec
[02:28] <CellarDoor> :P
[02:29] <CellarDoor> argh... I've just installed Koffice and its dumped all its stuff in my "office" menu
[02:29] <brendan_> oh, lol, I just got my first BSOD running win98 in vmware player on my thinkpad
[02:29] <tristanmike> brendan_, checkinstall failed
[02:29] <CellarDoor> oooer
[02:29] <CellarDoor> haha
[02:29] <tristanmike> dpkg-deb - error: (upstream) version (`superkaramba') doesn't contain any digits
[02:30] <tristanmike> dpkg-deb: 1 errors in control file
[02:30] <brendan_> oh, you were compiling to deb?
[02:30] <tristanmike> brendan_, I guess, I was told to use checkinstall
[02:30] <CellarDoor> excellent
[02:31] <brendan_> well, I mean, when you were compiling superkaramba, did you use:
[02:31] <Mrono> brb
[02:31] <Mrono> rebooting
[02:31] <brendan_> ./configure --prefix=/usr ; make && sudo make install
[02:31] <brendan_> or did you do it the "debian way"?
[02:31] <tristanmike> I did it the way I was told to on the ubuntu irc help
[02:32] <brendan_> ah, k
[02:33] <tristanmike> brendan_, apparently I had to change the version from "superkaramba" to "0.37" and it worked
[02:33] <brendan_> huh
[02:33] <tristanmike> weird
[02:33] <brendan_> ok, well, if it works, I guess it's not worth complaining ;)
[02:34] <tristanmike> lol, I don't know if it "works" yet, I don't even know how to use it, I was just told to install it
[02:34] <brendan_> lol, oh
[02:35] <brendan_> well, superkaramba is fun, but I usually run it for a few days and then decide it's slowing stuff down and turn it off again
[02:35] <brendan_> kinda like konfabulator under windows
[02:40] <holotone> Anyone want to help a computer literate *nix newb get a Proxim Orinoco Gold B card up and running?
[02:40] <holotone> I'm connected via ethernet at the moment, so I am on the computer in question
[02:41] <Mrono> back
[02:41] <holotone> the forums don't seem to be much help @ the moment
[02:42] <brodel> is there anyway I can continue a multisession disc with k3b? I'd rather not have to reboot to windows just to use Nero :\
[02:42] <holotone> Any wireless gurus out there tonight?
[02:45] <Mrono> i need one as well
[02:46] <Mrono> iwconfig just hangs on my computer
[02:46] <brendan_> hmmm
[02:46] <brendan_> mine kinda worked out of the box... I'm using centrino wireless (ipw2100)
[02:46] <brendan_> although I've set it up on debian/gentoo/etc. before on the same computer
[02:46] <holotone> grrr.
[02:47] <brendan_> before ipw2100 was part of the standard kernel package
[02:47] <brendan_> but I'm not sure about the Orinoco
[02:48] <Mrono> grr
[02:48] <brendan_> what point in the install have you been able to get to?
[02:49] <brendan_> err, and Mrono, which card are you using?
[02:49] <Mrono> if I remember right it's an atheros
[02:49] <Mrono> either a 2000 or a 4000
[02:49] <Mrono> let me look
[02:50] <Mrono> and you guys wonder why more people don't use linux
[02:50] <Mrono> oh and btw
[02:50] <Mrono> my mp3 don't play again
[02:50] <brendan_> lol, well, it could be said that's part of the fun
[02:50] <brendan_> though I see where you're coming from
[02:51] <Mrono> wait
[02:51] <Mrono> nvm
[02:51] <Mrono> a REBOOT fixed em
[02:51] <Mrono> lol
[02:51] <brendan_> the wireless too, or just the mp3?
[02:51] <Mrono> mp3
[02:51] <Mrono> wireless never worked
[02:51] <Mrono> workes on slax
[02:51] <brendan_> ah, k
[02:51] <Mrono> out of box
[02:52] <Mrono> but not here
[02:52] <brendan_> um, does it detect the card and load the driver when you put it in?
[02:52] <Mrono> interenal
[02:52] <brendan_> ah
[02:52] <brendan_> well, if you do 'lsmod' can you see the driver that corresponds to the card?
[02:54] <CellarDoor> I always make sure I buy linux friendly hardware
[02:54] <Mrono> ath_pci                69148  0
[02:54] <Mrono> I wasn't planning on this being a linux system
[02:54] <Mrono> and I didn't buy i
[02:54] <Mrono> it*
[02:54] <CellarDoor> well, there you go then ;)
[02:55] <brendan_> hmmm
[02:55] <brendan_> ok, well, first off, maybe try 'rmmod ath_pci' and then 'modprobe ath_pci'
[02:55] <CellarDoor> dunno if this will help, but here tis: http://sxs.sourceforge.net/sxs/
[02:56] <Mrono> removing ath_pcu, operation not permitted
[02:56] <CellarDoor> erm... prolly wont help
[02:56] <Mrono> nothing happens when I put in rmmod ath_pci
[02:57] <Mrono> er
[02:57] <Mrono> nothing happens when I put in modprobeath_pci
[02:57] <Mrono> yeah
[02:57] <brendan_> er, sudo rmmod rmmod ath_pci
[02:57] <brendan_> sorry, scratch that
[02:58] <brendan_> um, ok, if you say lsmod, are there any other modules listed beside the entry for ath_pci?
[02:58] <brendan_> i.e. modules that depend on it
[02:58] <Mrono> ath_pci                69148  0
[02:58] <Mrono> ath_rate_sample        14344  1 ath_pci
[02:58] <Mrono> wlan                  120988  3 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample
[02:58] <Mrono> ath_hal               148432  3 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample
[02:59] <CellarDoor> I think I'm getting a headache
[02:59] <tristanmike> anyone know how I get the OSX style dock?
[02:59] <brendan_> ah
[02:59] <tristanmike> lol
[02:59] <brendan_> try kooldock or... there's another one that's escaping me at the moment
[02:59] <CellarDoor> Apple are officially evil you know
[03:00] <brendan_> take a look at kde-apps.org
[03:00] <CellarDoor> prolly on kde-look.org somewhere
[03:00] <brendan_> well, that too
[03:00] <tristanmike> i like the way the icons bounce
[03:00] <brendan_> they're basically the same site
[03:00] <CellarDoor> either or
[03:00] <brendan_> um... ok Mrono, basically the ath_pci is your driver, but ath_hal is probably the layer that sits between the hardware and software
[03:01] <Mrono> hardware abstraction layer
[03:01] <brendan_> yeah
[03:01] <CellarDoor> you know hal is an evil name ;)
[03:01] <tristanmike> out of curiosity, that isn't some apple could sue for is it? like say I released my own distro, but with the dock as a standard?
[03:01] <Mrono> lol
[03:01] <brendan_> so you should be able to sudo rmmod ath_pci, afaik
[03:02] <Mrono> like this "sudo rmmod ath_pci, afaik"
[03:02] <brendan_> er, no, sorry, the afaik was as far as I know
[03:02] <brendan_> sudo rmmod ath_pci
[03:02] <brendan_> and then:
[03:02] <brendan_> sudo modprobe ath_pci
[03:02] <brendan_> basically reloading the module
[03:02] <CellarDoor> tristanmike: they've stolen so much open source software I think it would be laughable for them to go to court over something like that
[03:03] <tristanmike> yeah, but *cough*gates*cough*
[03:03] <CellarDoor> Apple doesn't share code changes, they "code bomb"
[03:03] <brendan_> well, to be fair, I believe Darwin has a BSD based license, which is a lot less restrictive than the GPL
[03:03] <CellarDoor> WebCore... Safari...
[03:03] <CellarDoor> popcorn anyone ?
[03:04] <brendan_> lol, Safari is mostly konqueror
[03:04] <CellarDoor> exactly
[03:04] <brendan_> though they did make it a lot more stable in the process
[03:04] <Mrono> lovely
[03:04] <Mrono> root@weridkid:~# rmmod ath_pci
[03:04] <Mrono> and sits there
[03:04] <brendan_> which I think went back down the dev chain
[03:04] <Mrono> i hit enter
[03:04] <CellarDoor> theyre not making it easy for the konqueror folks at all though
[03:04] <Mrono> and nothing happens
[03:05] <brendan_> like, it doesn't print anything out, or it doesn't finish properly?
[03:05] <Mrono> the curser goes a line down and sits
[03:05] <brendan_> ah
[03:05] <Mrono> please tell me that's a good 'ah'
[03:06] <brendan_> well, ctrl+c, I guess to end it, and then try a lsmod
[03:06] <brendan_> sometimes the kernel doesn't really like adding and removing drivers, especially when they've got a web of dependencies like that
[03:06] <Mrono> ctrl+c doesn't do anything
[03:07] <brendan_> um, the other thing you can try if your driver is in there and running, is just doing a "sudo ifconfig ethX down" where ethX is your wifi card, and then trying iwconfig after that
[03:07] <dmdm> how do i see what harddrives are installed?
[03:07] <brendan_> if you just type mount, it'll give you a listing of all mounted drives
[03:07] <brendan_> df -h gives you free disk space (in human readable form)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> cat /proc/partitions
[03:08] <brendan_> or you can use other things if the drives aren't mounted
[03:08] <dmdm> hm
[03:08] <dmdm> well im installed a drive into the system
[03:08] <dmdm> hm
[03:08] <GameCat> I am trying to play a dvd and failing - keep getting told I don't have permissions on the media
[03:08] <dmdm> mount gives out loads of proc /dev/ etc stuff
[03:08] <brendan_> um, Mrono, if it's not letting you close it, it may not work with the driver until you restart
[03:08] <GameCat> any ideas what might be wrong?
[03:09] <brendan_> unfortunately that's one of the things that can mess with the kernel a bit
[03:09] <Mrono> ethX: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[03:10] <brendan_> err, well, use eth0 or eth1 or whatever corresponds to your wireless card
[03:10] <Mrono> ok
[03:10] <Mrono> i try
[03:10] <Mrono> wait
[03:10] <brendan_> that'll disable your card
[03:10] <Mrono> how do I find out which one is the device
[03:10] <brendan_> err....
[03:10] <brendan_> iwconfig is crashing for you, isn't it?
[03:10] <brendan_> normally you could type "iwconfig" and it'll tell you what devices have wireless extensions available
[03:11] <Mrono> iwconfig does nothing for me
[03:11] <Mrono> brb
[03:11] <brendan_> k
[03:11] <Mrono> booting onto my slax to check something
[03:13] <julian> does somebody know the repository for mldonkew?
[03:13] <julian> does somebody know the repository for mldonkey?
[03:22] <Jolt> brendan, what, in your opinion, is the most user friendly Distro...
[03:23] <Jolt> user friendly, meaning... easy for amateurs
[03:23] <bimberi> !info kmldonkey
[03:23] <ubotu> kmldonkey: (KDE GUI for MLDonkey), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.10-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 891 kB, Installed size: 3036 kB
[03:23] <dmdm> to learn or to use?
[03:23] <Jolt> both, if that's possible
[03:23] <bimberi> julian: it's in the universe repository
[03:23] <dmdm> i think ubuntu
[03:24] <dmdm> im a noob
[03:24] <dmdm> and ive got the furthest with it
[03:24] <brendan_> um, jolt, ubuntu and kubuntu are both very good
[03:24] <brendan_> mandrake used to be one of the better ones, back when a lot of the newer ones didn't exist
[03:25] <brendan_> but it mostly did that by removing functionality
[03:25] <brendan_> so yeah, I'd say kubuntu/ubuntu are both very good
[03:25] <brendan_> I haven't really used the redhat based distros since about version 6, so I can't really comment on that
[03:25] <Jolt> brendan, bipolar suggested modules would be a better option for the Wireless USB Dongle, than Drivers
[03:25] <brendan_> I mean, any distro can be made to be easy to use for the end user, but it's a case of how difficult it is to administrate I'm guessing
[03:26] <GameCat> can someone help me play a dvd with xine? I have libdvdcss2 installed, but trying to play a disc gets me a box telling me it's crypted.
[03:26] <Jolt> true
[03:26] <brendan_> well, modules are basically the linux equivalent of drivers under windows
[03:26] <Jolt> ah, k
[03:26] <brendan_> i.e. you load the kernel module for the program, and it tells the linux kernel how to talk with it
[03:27] <brendan_> um, so anyways, I'd say that kubuntu is pretty easy to use
[03:27] <brendan_> certainly more so than debian standard
[03:27] <jerware> fellaz
[03:27] <CellarDoor> kubuntu is great for n00bs
[03:27] <_adub> where can i pick which AP i want to associate with
[03:28] <GameCat> can someone help me play a dvd with xine? I have libdvdcss2 installed, but trying to play a disc gets me a box telling me it's crypted and can't be played
[03:28] <brendan_> I actually really like gentoo as well, but it's a pain in the a** to get it working properly
[03:28] <jerware> what nic cards file do i edit, to manually edit ip addressing info?
[03:28] <CellarDoor> I learned more with kubuntu in a week than I did after using Manriva for six months
[03:28] <CellarDoor> I like its "simplicity", whilst not hiding the "real linux" from the user
[03:29] <brendan_> _adub, there are some kde based tools, though in my experience they're a bit inconsistent in how well they work
[03:29] <brendan_> jerware, manual ip addressing is handled through ifconfig
[03:29] <jerware> doh
[03:29] <jerware> ok
[03:29] <brendan_> you can do it in kde as well though
[03:29] <_adub> its showing in networking settings in kde i have no network profiles
[03:29] <brendan_> if you look under the control centre and networking
[03:29] <jerware> i thought i can edit a file that ifconfig reads/writes
[03:30] <_adub> is there a  way i can choose which AP to associate with from a list
[03:30] <brendan_> um... anybody want to field this?
[03:30] <brendan_> I usually use iwconfig to just set it up manually, but that's for networks I know
[03:30] <brendan_> I haven't looked at the graphical tools much lately
[03:31] <_adub> cellerdoor amen brother
[03:31] <_adub> i have used linux since 97
[03:31] <_adub> and i have used all the most popular distros
[03:31] <_adub> your using the best one
[03:31] <brendan_> yeah, very true CellarDoor, re: the man(drake/driva) issue
[03:32] <Mrono|wifi> see
[03:32] <Jolt> brendan, I was shown these drivers earlier... ( for the rt2570 Dongle ), and bipolar said he wud try and sort something out for me. Not sure what he was going to do... any ideas?
[03:32] <Jolt> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads
[03:32] <jerware> after i configure a new ip address manually(to move laptop from subnet to subnet),  must i restart some sort of networking service?
[03:32] <Mrono|wifi> my wifi is wireless friendly
[03:32] <brendan_> the thing with Mandrake was that it didn't have any of the devel tools, and it had weird non-standard packages
[03:32] <brendan_> I haven't used it since about 9.0, so I can't speak to mandriva
[03:33] <brendan_> um.... lemme take a look jolt
[03:33] <brendan_> yep, I think I ran across that sourceforge page earlier
[03:34] <CellarDoor> brendan_: yes, I think simplicity is the key, rather than each distro having its own "third party" graphical apps (even though I do like YAST)... simplicity allows a new user to get his/her head around Linux/Unix concepts easier, rather than being always in the dark and reliant upon distro specific apps when things dont work right...
[03:35] <Mrono|wifi> hey brendan
[03:35] <Mrono|wifi> ath0 is my wifi
[03:35] <brendan_> ah, k
[03:35] <Mrono|wifi> now to boot back into my os
[03:35] <CellarDoor> hey, did anyone hear about London's announcement that theyre gonna have a 1km square wifi hotspot in the middle of London's business district... for free ?
[03:35] <Mrono|wifi> i'm on slax
[03:36] <Mrono|wifi> http://slax.linux-live.org
[03:36] <brendan_> yeah, apparently they're putting them on lampposts, etc.
[03:36] <CellarDoor> coolness
[03:36] <Jolt> lampposts eh?? yoink
[03:36] <CellarDoor> moble phone companies arent happy about it I heard
[03:36] <_adub> does anyone know how to associate with one wireless AP from linux
[03:37] <brendan_> if you know the AP, you can type: sudo iwconfig eth0 essid AP
[03:37] <CellarDoor> Jolt: as long as it works... if it works, who cares ;)
[03:37] <brendan_> where eth0 is your wireless card
[03:37] <_adub> i dont know if i need sometihng that will allow me to go into monitor mode and still be able to talk out to the internet to accomplish this or what but i need this functionality thats for sure
[03:37] <brendan_> and "AP" is your access point ssid
[03:38] <brendan_> well, the nice thing with the way linux handles wireless is that you put it into promiscuous mode the same way as you would with a wired ethernet card
[03:38] <brendan_> it's all insulated from ifconfig with iwconfig
[03:39] <Jolt> brendan... the sourceforge page... what do you do with the drivers?
[03:40] <_adub> brendan thanks man i hope this works im going to try a few things
[03:40] <Mrono|wifi> brb
[03:40] <Mrono|wifi> rebooting into kubuntu
[03:41] <CellarDoor> fingers crossed...
[03:41] <brendan_> just taking a look at the docs jolt
[03:41] <brendan_> it looks like you need to have the kernel headers installed... do you?
[03:41] <brendan_> and are you running a kubuntu kernel, or a custom one?
[03:42] <brendan_> ok, good luck with it _adub
[03:43] <Jolt> brendan, i'm going to be blatently honest.... I have no idea
[03:43] <Jolt> i doubt somehow it's custom... it's a fresh install
[03:44] <kakei> hi does any one have installed Pureline (KDE-theme) after i compile it i dont get a kde theme file .. any idea?
[03:45] <brendan_> ok jolt, no worries
[03:45] <brendan_> kakei, after typing make, type sudo make install
[03:45] <brendan_> that should install it
[03:46] <brendan_> ok jolt, basically what we have to do is compile the driver to match your running kernel
[03:46] <brendan_> so first off, you need to open Adept
[03:46] <kakei> brendan_, no it doesn't. :(
[03:47] <brendan_> ah, k
[03:47] <brendan_> I remember having problems with pureline too
[03:47] <brendan_> um, let me check
[03:47] <kakei> brendan_,
[03:47] <kakei> is theres no way to u send me ur kde theme file _?
[03:47] <brendan_> err, yeah, that might work I suppose, assuming we're running the same kernel version
[03:48] <kakei> 2.6.12-10
[03:48] <brendan_> although I'm running kde 3.5.1, so I'm not sure that it'd install correctly on yours
[03:48] <brendan_> unless you're running that as well
[03:48] <kakei> i run kde 3.5.1 too
[03:48] <brendan_> k
[03:48] <brendan_> lemme take a look then
[03:49] <Mrono> ok
[03:49] <Mrono> back
[03:49] <brendan_> jolt, you still around?
[03:49] <Jolt> yup
[03:49] <Mrono> now
[03:49] <brendan_> ok, got adept open?
[03:49] <Mrono> how shall I go about this
[03:50] <kakei> brendan_, so ? :D
[03:50] <Jolt> fraid i can't, machine is turned off
[03:50] <Jolt>  "uname -r" = 2.6.12-9-386
[03:50] <Jolt> is that what you need? ^^
[03:50] <Mrono> hey brendan
[03:50] <Mrono> I got good and bad news
[03:51] <brendan_> just looking into it kakei, I'm trying to figure out how I got it to compile
[03:51] <kakei> bad first i guess
[03:51] <brendan_> it's got files all over the place, so it's probably easier for me to figure out how to get it to work on yours
[03:51] <Mrono> what are you compiline
[03:51] <brendan_> yep, jolt, I figured that's probably what you were running
[03:51] <brendan_> you need to install a couple of things though, to get it to compile the driver
[03:51] <brendan_> that's what I meant
[03:52] <Jolt> ah, k
[03:52] <brendan_> just trying to help jolt get his wireless working
[03:52] <brendan_> so what's the good vs bad news Mrono?
[03:52] <Mrono> ash
[03:52] <Mrono> well
[03:52] <Mrono> good is that iwconfig works
[03:52] <kakei> brendan_, hmm but send me ur kth file maybe thats easier hehe we use the same kernel,kde version
[03:52] <Mrono> bad is that it doesn't see my card
[03:52] <brendan_> kakei ah, I see what you mean
[03:53] <kakei> :)
[03:53] <brendan_> ah Mrono, lol, that's probably why iwconfig works, lol
[03:53] <Mrono> yeah...
[03:53] <adub> brendan you around?
[03:53] <brendan_> lol, yep, just doing 4 things at once
[03:53] <brendan_> what's up?
[03:53] <adub> the command didnt work it just changes the name of essid not what im associating with
[03:53] <adub> im still hooked to the same MAC and AP
[03:54] <brendan_> ah
[03:54] <brendan_> um, not sure on that one
[03:54] <brendan_> you might try to autoconfigure (i.e. with dhcpcd or something similar) and see if that works
[03:54] <brendan_> or you might want to make sure that the card is offline first
[03:54] <brendan_> as with ifconfig eth0 down
[03:55] <adub> right
[03:55] <adub> yeah i tried it down and thing commands
[03:55] <adub> etc
[03:55] <kakei> brendan_, so :(
[03:55] <brendan_> kakei, pureline has a bunch of libraries it installs
[03:56] <kakei> i install qtdevel
[03:56] <brendan_> um, lemme make sure we're talking about the same thing
[03:56] <brendan_> this is the pureline window decoration, right?
[03:56] <kakei> ya
[03:56] <kakei> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=30501
[03:56] <brendan_> k
[03:56] <Mrono> heh
[03:56] <Mrono> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/84075/google-loses-image-battle-with-soft-porn-publisher.html
[03:56] <kakei> interesting, just the url
[03:57] <kakei> lol
[03:57] <brendan_> yep, that's what I'm running, I think
[03:57] <kakei> ur kth file will work :D!
[03:58] <brendan_> um... it doesn't make a kth file
[03:58] <kakei> how did u put it at themes?
[03:58] <brendan_> it's a native windeco, not a theme
[03:58] <kakei> for example
[03:58] <kakei> argh
[03:58] <kakei> i got baghira
[03:58] <kakei> and i have a kth
[03:59] <brendan_> well, yeah, baghira creates one, I believe, but baghira also has a visual style
[03:59] <brendan_> I just tried recompiling to make sure, and pureline definitely doesn't create any .kth file
[03:59] <kakei> brendan_, could u share a desktop screenshot ?
[03:59] <kakei> brendan_, i compiled it but nothing happens :(
[03:59] <Mrono> I like mine
[04:00] <Mrono> crystal
[04:00] <brendan_> err, ok, so what happens when you do the configure? it runs properly?
[04:00] <kakei> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13969 his one?
[04:00] <kakei> brendan_,
[04:00] <kakei> ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` && make && sudo make install
[04:00] <kakei> i did that
[04:01] <kakei> but nothing happen
[04:01] <Mrono> 1 sec
[04:01] <Mrono> i'll upload mine
[04:04] <brendan_> k, kakei, I'm going to upload a screenshot for you, and then I'll package my compiled pureline folder and upload that too
[04:04] <brendan_> then you should be able to just do a make install from that
[04:05] <kakei> k
[04:05] <kakei> and thx man
[04:07] <Mrono> my turn!
[04:07] <Jolt> lol
[04:07] <kakei> ahaha
[04:07] <Mrono> i'm making a list of things to fix
[04:07] <brendan_> ok kakei, for the screenshot, try http://bitsmithy.net/screen.png
[04:07] <brendan_> I just turned pureline on to get it working
[04:08] <brendan_> give me a second to package the compiled directory
[04:08] <CellarDoor> nice
[04:08] <CellarDoor> what window deco is that ?
[04:09] <kakei> http://bitsmithy.net/ ur blog ? http://kakei.us [but it's in spanish(native language..)]
[04:09] <brendan_> yeah, I'm still setting it up
[04:09] <brendan_> haven't had a chance to spend much time on it yet
[04:09] <kakei> Oh
[04:09] <brendan_> as you might have guessed from the front page
[04:09] <brendan_> lol
[04:09] <kakei> brendan_, have u test wordpress?
[04:09] <brendan_> I looked at it, but i ended up choosing cmsmadesimple
[04:09] <brendan_> I like the XHTML, it's nice and clean
[04:10] <CellarDoor> gimp's interface needs a major overhaul
[04:10] <yeonhoo> hi
[04:10] <yeonhoo> what text edit program is on kubuntu?
[04:10] <CellarDoor> oh... how dumb am I...
[04:10] <CellarDoor> :P
[04:11] <yeonhoo> im trying to type kate archive_name but it crashes..
[04:11] <Jolt> yeonhoo, OpenOffice AFAIK
[04:11] <CellarDoor> nevermind me... nothing to see here... move along
[04:11] <brendan_> http://bitsmithy.net/pureline-forkakei.tar.gz
[04:12] <yeonhoo> jolt, on konsole
[04:12] <Jolt> vi
[04:12] <yeonhoo> what command to excute their programs?
[04:12] <brendan_> anyways, yeah, I haven't really used pureline lately, so I just switched into it for the screenshot
[04:12] <yeonhoo> more easy program-.-
[04:12] <yeonhoo> vi is very difficult to novice as im
[04:12] <Jolt> "./filename" for VI
[04:12] <brendan_> I actually like crystal with the vista-style borders, though it's a bit of a resource hog
[04:12] <Jolt> oh
[04:13] <yeonhoo> gui program could be great
[04:13] <yeonhoo> but i dont know whats the command to excute their program
[04:13] <yeonhoo> wow
[04:13] <yeonhoo> thank you
[04:13] <yeonhoo> im working with fpc
[04:13] <Mrono> http://mrono.net/main/photos/computer/desktop02232006.png
[04:14] <Mrono> whoops
[04:14] <brendan_> any luck kakei?
[04:14] <kakei> downloading
[04:14] <brendan_> ok, anyways, I feel like I was helping other people, lol
[04:14] <Mrono> now it works
[04:14] <brendan_> what's next? ;)
[04:14] <brendan_> the wireless?
[04:15] <Jolt> please
[04:15] <Jolt> :)
[04:15] <brendan_> ok jolt, err, what point were we at?
[04:15] <brendan_> we needed to install the kernel source, right?
[04:15] <Mrono> i'll be figuring out my wireless at the moment
[04:15] <Mrono> just say my name when someone can help
[04:15] <brendan_> k
[04:16] <Mrono> !wifi
[04:16] <ubotu> I guess wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[04:16] <Jolt>   "uname -r" = 2.6.12-9-386 was the last info I posted
[04:16] <brendan_> kinda running out of ideas for yours Mrono, sorry it's not working out so well
[04:16] <brendan_> yep
[04:16] <Mrono> well
[04:16] <Mrono> now that the iwconfig works
[04:16] <Mrono> i might be able to go somewhere with this
[04:17] <brendan_> true enough Mrono
[04:17] <brendan_> so if you type iwconfig, does it tell you an interface that has "wireless extensions"?
[04:17] <kakei> brendan_, nothing
[04:17] <brendan_> kakei, you typed make install?
[04:17] <kakei> i did
[04:17] <Mrono> brenden_
[04:18] <brendan_> um... ok, just to double check kakei, you know it's called "deckgen...something...pureline" right?
[04:18] <Mrono> wireless tools is also avalable as a package
[04:18] <brendan_> it's in the menu under d
[04:18] <kakei> argh ??
[04:18] <brendan_> err, afaik iwconfig is part of wireless tools
[04:18] <Mrono> yeah
[04:18] <_tom> im trying to access an ntfs partition (sda2) but kubuntu says 'could not enter folder /media/sda2' .. whats wrong?!
[04:18] <Mrono> don't pay attn to me kakai
[04:18] <admrl> anyone here using amarok 1.4 beta
[04:19] <Mrono> anyone see my desktop
[04:19] <Mrono> I AM
[04:19] <Mrono> lol
[04:19] <d8vid> I have a "Kat Desktop Search Environment" icon in my system tray. Anyone know how to get rid of the thing?
[04:20] <admrl> thats it..?
[04:20] <brendan_> err, kinda lost track of things in the conversation there Mrono... what do you get if you just type 'iwconfig' ?
[04:20] <Mrono> no ath0
[04:20] <Mrono> i get....
[04:20] <admrl> no good
[04:20] <Mrono> lo        no wireless extensions.
[04:20] <Mrono> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[04:20] <Mrono> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[04:20] <d8vid> The thing doesn't seem to have any option to quit or anything. :(
[04:20] <brendan_> k
[04:20] <Mrono> but
[04:20] <_adub> something that should be so easy has now become so hard
[04:20] <_adub> lol
[04:20] <brendan_> so it looks like it might not be loading the driver
[04:20] <Mrono> remember we uninstalled iot
[04:20] <Mrono> remember
[04:21] <brendan_> yeah
[04:21] <farous> just checking can anyone check if he can draw an open circle with openoffice draw. I want to know if it is specific to my openoffice or is it a bug
[04:21] <_adub> i still can not figure out how to get this crap to associate with one ap
[04:21] <_adub> lol
[04:21] <Mrono> now we just have to reinstall it
[04:21] <Mrono> lol
[04:21] <brendan_> so if you modprobe the driver back in (something like modprobe ath_pci), then do iwconfig, does it work?
[04:21] <brendan_> yeah, lol, isn't this fun?
[04:22] <Mrono> bash: modeprobe: command not found
[04:22] <brendan_> sudo modprobe ath_pci
[04:22] <brendan_> sorry, you need to do most of this with root privelages
[04:22] <Mrono> i did
[04:22] <Mrono> i did su
[04:22] <Mrono> root@weridkid:/home/mrono# modeprobe ath_pci
[04:22] <Mrono> bash: modeprobe: command not found
[04:22] <farous> Mrono: you had the command wrong its modprobe not modeprobe
[04:23] <brendan_> make sure you use "modprobe" without the E
[04:23] <Mrono> lol
[04:23] <Mrono> typo
[04:23] <brendan_> ah, k
[04:23] <Mrono> FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/madwifi/ath_pci.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[04:23] <farous> Mrono: just copy and paste from the channel
[04:23] <brendan_> ooh, fun
[04:23] <brendan_> lol
[04:23] <Mrono> yep
[04:23] <brendan_> err, what's at the end if you type "dmesg"
[04:24] <Mrono> a 50 page essay
[04:24] <brendan_> yeah, but it'll have something at the very end, that'll be the most recent
[04:24] <Mrono> [4296884.350000]  ath_pci: Unknown symbol ieee80211_ioctl_giwtxpow
[04:24] <brendan_> huh
[04:24] <brendan_> well, that's new
[04:25] <brendan_> um... I *think* it's looking for a module that controls the transmission power of the card
[04:25] <Mrono> lol
[04:25] <Mrono> i see that
[04:25] <Mrono> 'txpow'
[04:25] <brendan_> yeah
[04:25] <brendan_> um.... if it's not loading that by default, I'm at a bit of a loss... it should auto-load dependencies
[04:26] <Mrono> is it any help to know that it works when i'm on a distro on my flash drive
[04:26] <brendan_> well, I would guess that that's precompiled with the driver
[04:27] <brendan_> right in the kernel modules, I would suspect
[04:27] <brendan_> um...
[04:27] <brendan_> just to double check, what kernel version are you using?
[04:27] <Mrono> um
[04:27] <Mrono> Release:  2.6.12-10-686
[04:27] <Mrono> that what you need?
[04:27] <brendan_> jolt, I've lost track of what you were doing again... did you get a chance to install the package "linux-source-2.6.12"?
[04:28] <Jolt> i dunno how......
[04:28] <brendan_> ok, so yeah, that's the current kubuntu kernel
[04:28] <brendan_> oh
[04:28] <Jolt> Man, I actually feel like a retard
[04:28] <brendan_> ok, jolt, can you open Adept?
[04:28] <Mrono> you and me both
[04:28] <brendan_> lol, well, I'm not much better
[04:28] <Jolt> brendan... i don't have the machine handy...
[04:28] <brendan_> yeah, I like synaptic too for somethings, it's got a better search function in some ways... but adept is installed by default with kubuntu
[04:28] <brendan_> oh
[04:29] <brendan_> um, it's a bit involved
[04:29] <Jolt> can you giv a short list of instructions
[04:29] <brendan_> I can try
[04:29] <brendan_> um
[04:29] <Jolt> or wud it be easier to come back tomo say, and walk through it
[04:29] <brendan_> yeah, could be
[04:29] <brendan_> um... ok, lemme see if I can summarize
[04:29] <brendan_> in a console:
[04:30] <brendan_> sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12
[04:30] <Jolt> don't i need the internet conn. for that?
[04:30] <brendan_> err, yes, probably
[04:30] <brendan_> you might get away with your install dvd/cd
[04:30] <Jolt> lol... that's wat i'm trying to get ;)
[04:30] <Jolt> ahh yes
[04:31] <Jolt> maybe
[04:31] <brendan_> ok, second command:
[04:31] <brendan_> cd /lib/modules/2.6.12/
[04:31] <Mrono> weird
[04:31] <Jolt> k
[04:32] <Mrono> my kopete is all messed up
[04:32] <Mrono> no accounts anymore
[04:32] <brendan_> err, sorry, a step before that
[04:32] <brendan_> cd /usr/src
[04:32] <Jolt> np
[04:32] <brendan_> tar -xjvf linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2
[04:32] <Jolt> 4th step? ^
[04:33] <brendan_> err, that last one should have a sudo before it
[04:33] <brendan_> that will untar the kernel sources for you
[04:33] <brendan_> yep
[04:33] <Mrono|kop> hmm
[04:33] <brendan_> you know what? I'm just going to put this in a text file for you
[04:33] <brendan_> gimme a sec
[04:33] <Mrono|kop> it worked
[04:33] <Jolt> k
[04:35] <brendan_> any idea what worked for Mrono?
[04:35] <Mrono> eh?
[04:35] <Mrono> for what
[04:36] <brendan_> oh, you're still here
[04:36] <Mrono> yeah
[04:36] <brendan_> oh, your kopete, you mean?
[04:36] <Mrono> yeah
[04:36] <Mrono> it's being weurd
[04:36] <brendan_> um, anyways Mrono, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around your problem
[04:36] <Mrono> lol
[04:37] <brendan_> it seems to me that your driver isn't behaving properly... did you compile it, or is it just part of kubuntu
[04:37] <Mrono> part of kubuntu
[04:38] <Mrono> that's right kopete
[04:38] <Mrono> DIE!
[04:39] <Mrono> ah
[04:39] <Mrono> downloading at 350kb/s is great
[04:40] <Mrono> I wonder how bad setting up linux would have been if I had been on dial-up
[04:40] <brendan_> yeah, that would be unfortunate, lol
[04:40] <brendan_> um, ok, if it's not detecting the hardware on its own, I suspect you may need to do a kernel recompile with a driver from source
[04:41] <brendan_> maybe there's something specific about your hardware that's not working, or maybe the kubuntu driver is old
[04:41] <brendan_> not sure
[04:41] <Mrono> um
[04:42] <Mrono> just how bad is it going to be to do a kernal compile
[04:42] <Mrono> ooo
[04:42] <Mrono> if I do that
[04:42] <Mrono> I need to add in some other things as well
[04:42] <Mrono> such as toshiba support
[04:42] <Tulga> hi all! I want install xgl on dapper 4. please suggest me good howto
[04:42] <Snake__> !xgl
[04:42] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu and #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[04:42] <Mrono> wait a minue
[04:44] <Mrono> you guys ever use kconfigure
[04:45] <Mrono> sigh
[04:45] <xwolf-> is there a way to disable kopete's auto-correction feat?
[04:45] <Mrono> i'm recompilile kopete
[04:45] <Mrono> huh
[04:46] <brendan_> ok jolt, I've got my *best guess* as to what will work
[04:46] <xwolf-> annoying thingie lol
[04:46] <Mrono> what is it
[04:46] <Jolt> brendan, k
[04:46] <Mrono> um ok
[04:46] <brendan_> http://bitsmithy.net/jolt.txt
[04:47] <brendan_> give or take a bit, those are the basic steps
[04:47] <brendan_> but it may or may not work very well... I'll try to be on tomorrow when you've got a computer to compare it against
[04:47] <brendan_> ok Mrono, sorry about that, I'm back now
[04:47] <Mrono> np
[04:47] <Jolt> much appreciated
[04:47] <brendan_> kernel compiles take a while if you're not used to them
[04:47] <brendan_> yep, no worries jolt
[04:47] <Mrono> i'm busy recompiling kopete
[04:48] <Jolt> brendan, what time GMT are you likely to be on tomo?
[04:48] <brendan_> they're a bit tricky to get your head around, because there're a lot of options (linux basically supports *everything* made in the last 30 years)
[04:48] <Tulga> !xgl
[04:48] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu and #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[04:49] <Mrono> i soooo want thato work
[04:49] <Mrono> but nooo
[04:49] <Mrono> mine has to be fussy
[04:49] <Mrono> hmmmmm
[04:49] <Mrono> define dapper
[04:49] <brendan_> um...not sure jolt, I've got some stuff I need to get done tomorrow, but I'm hoping to be on by maybe... 17:00 or 18:00 GMT
[04:49] <Mrono> !dapper
[04:49] <brendan_> next version after breezy
[04:50] <Mrono> ah
[04:50] <Mrono> flight cd 4
[04:50] <Jolt> brendan, k, again much appreciated... thanks
[04:50] <brendan_> yep, no worries
[04:50] <brendan_> glad to help
[04:50] <tristanmike> i'm back for more, lol
[04:51] <tristanmike> when I try to download a file with Konqueror, it opens Kate and doesn't save it, any suggestions/
[04:51] <tristanmike> ?
[04:51] <brendan_> err... it's probably on the server side, I'd guess their mime settings are wrong
[04:52] <tristanmike> kde-look.org?
[04:52] <brendan_> as to a solution, there's always right click/save link as
[04:52] <brendan_> lol, well, hard to say
[04:52] <tristanmike> that saves a file called "download.php"
[04:52] <brendan_> might be on your end then
[04:52] <brendan_> oh
[04:52] <brendan_> I see
[04:52] <brendan_> um... firefox?
[04:52] <adub_> how do you associate with an AP
[04:52] <brendan_> some other browser other than konqueror is probably the easiest solution
[04:53] <tristanmike> yeah, that works, but that's a "band-aid" but I suppose I can't expect sites to work with konqueror, but kde-look.org, lol
[04:53] <brendan_> not sure of the exact cause... usually it's because they don't have mime set up properly, and the file says it's download.php, not whatever extension is expected
[04:53] <brendan_> lol, yeah
[04:53] <brendan_> it's kinda a weird system
[04:54] <brendan_> I've run across that before, but I never really looked for a solution, since I usually use firefox anyways
[04:55] <brendan_> hmmm, those xgl videos do look cool
[04:58] <Mrono> man
[04:59] <Mrono> I sure do enjoy a good clean configure and make install
[04:59] <brendan_> lol, your kopete install?
[04:59] <Mrono> bah
[04:59] <Mrono> not yet
[04:59] <Mrono> still missing a few things
[04:59] <brendan_> ah
[04:59] <Mrono> it's like a scavenger hunt everythime i install something
[05:00] <Mrono> go find this file
[05:00] <Mrono> go find this lib
[05:00] <brendan_> anyways, as far as your kernel compile goes, I can help you through it if you like, but I think maybe not tonight, lol
[05:00] <brendan_> if you haven't done it before, it can take a while
[05:00] <Mrono> tomorrow
[05:00] <brendan_> yep, I'm hoping to be on
[05:00] <Mrono> fun thing
[05:01] <brendan_> I'm on reading week right now, so I've got a bit of time :)
[05:01] <Mrono> I installed a run as user program
[05:01] <Mrono> so I can run konq a root
[05:01] <Mrono> make my life easier
[05:01] <brendan_> well, you know that kdesu will do that?
[05:01] <Mrono> sure
[05:01] <Mrono> lol
[05:02] <brendan_> i.e. kdesu konqueror
[05:02] <Mrono> I saw it in synaptic
[05:02] <brendan_> ah, k
[05:02] <Mrono> everytime I open synaptic I install 20 things
[05:02] <brendan_> yeah, I know what you mean with that, lol
[05:02] <brendan_> I still do most of my work with apt-get, but the graphical tools are handy for seeing what's available
[05:03] <brendan_> though you can also do:
[05:03] <brendan_> apt-cache pkgnames | grep whatever
[05:03] <Mrono> lots of text confuses me
[05:03] <Mrono> lol
[05:03] <Mrono> that's why I like Kconfigure
[05:04] <brendan_> yeah, I used Debian long before ubuntu exists, so I did most of it from the command line
[05:04] <Mrono> ah
[05:04] <Mrono> i'm a linux newb
[05:04] <Mrono> so a gui is alot easier
[05:04] <brendan_> actually, at one point, I had Debian woody running on a 100 MHz, 16MB of ram pentium notebook
[05:05] <brendan_> no X, but it ran a webserver, ssh, etc. quite nicely
[05:05] <Mrono> lol
[05:05] <brendan_> it was fun
[05:05] <Mrono> I have win 2000 server running on a 233mhz 128mb ram
[05:05] <brendan_> even played mp3's if there wasn't much else running
[05:05] <Mrono> laptop
[05:05] <brendan_> hmmm, didn't know it'd run on that
[05:05] <Mrono> yep
[05:05] <Mrono> very well acually
[05:05] <Mrono> two windrops
[05:05] <brendan_> XP needs (supposedly) 300 MHz and 64 MB of ram
[05:05] <Mrono> 1 mirc
[05:06] <Mrono> and a few other misc
[05:06] <Mrono> and the processor is only at 3%
[05:06] <brendan_> of course, anything less than about 500 MHz and 128 MB of ram will barely boot
[05:06] <brendan_> and even that...
[05:06] <brendan_> cool
[05:06] <Mrono> I ran xp on that machine
[05:06] <Mrono> main computer
[05:06] <CellarDoor> my computer came with xp
[05:06] <CellarDoor> 256meg of ram
[05:06] <Mrono> if I didn't need mirc on it
[05:07] <CellarDoor> ran like a dog
[05:07] <brendan_> yeah, I'm running a debian server that I use as a remote X server/dvd movie machine, etc. in my room, but this computer that i'm on now is a thinkpad
[05:07] <Mrono> i'd run slax on it
[05:07] <brendan_> cool
[05:07] <Mrono> this suckers horrible
[05:07] <Mrono> and I hate toshiba for building it
[05:07] <brendan_> the thinkpad I'm on now is a 1500 MHz Centrino with 1400x1050 screen res and 512 mb of ram
[05:07] <Mrono> and you'll see why once you see the vid
[05:08] <brendan_> dual booting xp pro and kubuntu (I occasionally need XP)
[05:08] <Mrono> ditto
[05:08] <Mrono> woah
[05:08] <Mrono> they acually stopped selling finally
[05:09] <brendan_> over the course of the last couple of years, this computer has had knoppix, debian, gentoo, debian, more debian, and kubuntu on it
[05:09] <brendan_> done a few reinstalls, lol
[05:09] <brendan_> gentoo is fun
[05:09] <brendan_> but it's a lot of work
[05:09] <brendan_> really speedy though
[05:09] <brendan_> but kubuntu is so easy
[05:09] <CellarDoor> I bought this computer a couple of years ago... first PC I had bought in years... since Win98 ran fast on much lesser systems I was really annoyed to find WinXP running like a slug on an AthonXP2800+... everyone was telling me, "you really need 512meg for it to run well"... I thought "get lost" and started playing with Linux...
[05:09] <brendan_> lol, yeah
[05:10] <brendan_> I have mixed feelings about XP
[05:10] <brendan_> I think that XP and 98 SE are about the only decent versions made recently... used winME for a while and it really turned me off of Windows
[05:11] <Mrono> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006ZKIK6/102-6152066-1521714?v=glance&n=541966
[05:11] <brendan_> but for most people, I've gotta admit, Linux just isn't there yet
[05:11] <Mrono> that's mine
[05:11] <Mrono> win me is horrible
[05:11] <Mrono> black spot on windows
[05:11] <brendan_> crazy
[05:11] <brendan_> lol, yeah
[05:11] <Mrono> yeah
[05:11] <brendan_> although its defrag utility isn't bad
[05:11] <CellarDoor> I am "most people"
[05:11] <tristanmike> if I can interject, only not there because of third party support, like games and other popular software
[05:11] <CellarDoor> I'm running kubuntu
[05:11] <CellarDoor> its not that hard
[05:11] <Mrono> it's got a ati radon 9000
[05:12] <Mrono> 129mb SHARED mem
[05:12] <Mrono> 128*
[05:12] <brendan_> yeah, don't get me wrong, I like linux a lot better, lol, I run it for most things
[05:12] <Mrono> keep in mind
[05:12] <Mrono> this came out after the 9800
[05:12] <Mrono> and toshiba has the audasity to put a 9000 in it
[05:12] <CellarDoor> as someone who still considers himself a linux n00b, I'm much happier with kubuntu than I ever was with XP
[05:12] <brendan_> fair enough
[05:12] <Mrono> it will take awhile for me to be haooy with linux
[05:13] <CellarDoor> And I dont mind having to simply make sure I buy linux friendly hardware
[05:13] <brendan_> I've actually been playing with vmware player lately
[05:13] <Mrono> at the moment i'd be happy to scrap this and reformat with winxp pro
[05:14] <brendan_> well, for better or worse, XP has the market inertia
[05:14] <brendan_> but linux is certainly moving up
[05:14] <Mrono> I can't wait till beta 2 of vista comes out
[05:14] <Mrono> yeah
[05:14] <Mrono> I want KDE 4
[05:14] <Mrono> it's the vista of linux
[05:14] <brendan_> lol, indeed
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:15] <CellarDoor> thats one reason I think Apple wont open OSX up and sell it on PC's in general... apart from the fact that they've never done something like that, It would open up OSX to the same hardware support issues that face Linux... and I dare say that Linux would come of better unless Apple could muster broad support from hardware suppliers prior to such a release...
[05:15] <brendan_> the thing that bugs me about vista is that, from what I've read, you're going to need a workstation class video card just to be able to run the user interface
[05:15] <CellarDoor> brendan_: I think thats only if you want to use "aero glass"
[05:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, and you can't really turn too much of it off either, from what I've heard.
[05:15] <brendan_> yeah, part of the advantage that apple's always had is that they build on closed hardware
[05:16] <Mrono> yeah
[05:16] <Mrono> brb
[05:16] <CellarDoor> no, you can still run Vista in "classic" mode (a la Win98 look)
[05:16] <brendan_> they know *exactly* what hardware the user's going to have, so they don't have to make everything run on anything
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, OK
[05:16] <brendan_> yeah, true enough
[05:16] <brendan_> although, from what I've heard, most of the advances they're touting are user-interface oriented
[05:17] <CellarDoor> not advances
[05:17] <brendan_> though I'm sure there's lots of stuff under the hood as well
[05:17] <CellarDoor> ripoffs
[05:17] <brendan_> haha, true
[05:17] <CellarDoor> I cant think of one "feature" that Microsoft is gonna push on Vista that other OSes dont already have...
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, there's those who invent, and those who make a living off taking others inventions. ;)
[05:18] <CellarDoor> I mean... image gallery ?  names, anc changed them to just "Computer" and "Documents"
[05:18] <CellarDoor> a la Widgets, a la Konfabulator...
[05:18] <CellarDoor> security ? *scoff*
[05:19] <brendan_> which, to be fair, apple also ripped off, didn't they?
[05:19] <CellarDoor> oh yeah
[05:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> CellarDoor: Sure, but it has more security built in to it than XP does.
[05:19] <CellarDoor> CheeseBurgerMan: XP has security ?
[05:19] <CellarDoor> ;)
[05:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Exactly. ;)
[05:19] <CellarDoor> hehe
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> XP has the Windows firewall if you have SP2 - that's about it...
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Vista adds WIndows Defender.
[05:20] <CellarDoor> hey you know about a couple of virii or worms that apparently can infect Apple systems ?
[05:20] <CellarDoor> recent things
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> The "trojan-horse" thing?
[05:21] <CellarDoor> I was reading an article earlier that was from about middle of last year
[05:21] <brendan_> ooh, "Windows Defender"... exciting sounding
[05:21] <CellarDoor> that basically predicted such a thing would happen
[05:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes, it's icon is even a shield! How can that be bad? :P
[05:21] <CellarDoor> Vista wont have "too much" security
[05:21] <natex> anyone have a reason not to use a single 250 GB partition?
[05:21] <CellarDoor> If it does, Microsoft wont make any money entering the market for security software ;)
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Vista and "too much security" don't belong in the same sentence.
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> natex: Yeah, I don't have a 250GB drive. :P
[05:22] <natex> :)
[05:22] <brendan_> well, to be fair, it *is* supposed to run with non-administrator privelages (a la every operating system other than windows)
[05:22] <brendan_> so I guess that could be considered to be a feature
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> At least, an advancement.
[05:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> to the modern day.
[05:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> well
[05:23] <Mrono> I had Windows oncare
[05:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> maybe not 'modern' ideas there.
[05:23] <Mrono> onecare*
[05:23] <Mrono> good program
[05:23] <Mrono> antivirus
[05:23] <Mrono> firewall
[05:23] <CellarDoor> What really erks me is that M$ with all their billions, cant to anything better than rip off others (and that, belatedly)... the propaganda is always the same, and people keep falling for it... Ive seen it all before, back in the 90's... I assure you, they havent changed...
[05:23] <Mrono> and i had microsoft antispyware beta
[05:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mrono: Oh. I use AntiVir. MS antispyware, Spybot, Adware, and Kerio Personal Firewall
[05:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Adaware*
[05:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:24] <brendan_> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/02/microsoft_antispyware_deleting_1.html
[05:24] <Mrono> uh
[05:24] <brendan_> this is a great article on so many levels...
[05:24] <brendan_> lol
[05:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Although I haven't used any of them in awhile - Windows won't detect my wireless network. :)
[05:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, I heard about that.
[05:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hilarious. :)
[05:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> (or however you spell that)
[05:25] <CellarDoor> brendan_: hahaha thats so funny.... not that Microsoft havent done anything like that before ;)
[05:25] <CellarDoor> I smell a court case on the horizon
[05:25] <Mrono> arg
[05:25] <brendan_> haha, no, it's "beta quality" software
[05:26] <Mrono> no matter how many packages i install i still get
[05:26] <Mrono> configure: WARNING: Could not find ilbc headers or libs. Please install ilbc package from http://www.linphone.org if you want iLBC codec support in Kopete Jabber plugin.
[05:26] <CellarDoor> hehe
[05:26] <brendan_> that means that MIcrosoft isn't held accountable for anything
[05:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> Even if it is Giant Anti-Spyware - which was a non-beta program.
[05:26] <brendan_> huh
[05:26] <brendan_> I've never compiled kopete
[05:26] <CellarDoor> I love it
[05:26] <Mrono> i've got the package
[05:26] <Mrono> i just installed it twice
[05:26] <CellarDoor> Microsoft spokesperson: "oops, wonder how that got there"
[05:26] <brendan_> on the other hand, do you actually use voip in jabber through kopete?
[05:26] <Mrono> no but
[05:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mrono: I know how you feel - Firefox does that for me, can't find a lib that I actually have.
[05:27] <Mrono> google chat uses it
[05:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Wierd.
[05:27] <brendan_> ah
[05:27] <brendan_> fair enough, hadn't thought of that
[05:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Gaim! ;)
[05:27] <Mrono> kopeteutils_private.cpp:50: warning: unused parameter 'action'
[05:27] <Mrono> kopetelistview.cpp: In constructor 'Kopete::UI::ListView::ListView::Private::Private()':
[05:27] <Mrono> kopetelistview.cpp:160: warning: 'Kopete::UI::ListView::ListView::Private::mouseNavigation' will be initialized after
[05:27] <Mrono> kopetelistview.cpp:131: warning:   'QStyle::SubControl Kopete::UI::ListView::ListView::Private::pressedControl'
[05:27] <Mrono> kopetelistview.cpp:162: warning:   when initialized here
[05:27] <Mrono> fair
[05:27] <CellarDoor> hey, if there's a google chat plugin for kopete, let me know :D
[05:27] <Mrono> it IS beta
[05:28] <Mrono> get the beta
[05:28] <Mrono> i think it's in there
[05:28] <CellarDoor> last time I looked they only supported gaim
[05:28] <tristanmike> there's a possiblity that microsoft will have ad's on their welcome screen for vista too
[05:28] <CellarDoor> argh
[05:28] <CellarDoor> and music ?
[05:29] <tristanmike> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-Antitrust-Case-In-The-Making-17865.shtml
[05:29] <Mrono> Kopete now features experimental support for Google Talk voice chats.
[05:29] <CellarDoor> please dont say there's music
[05:29] <brendan_> hehe, for some reason I find that funny and not worrying
[05:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> CellarDoor: As Mrono said, Google Talk uses the Jabber protocol, so it should work with any Jabber client.
[05:29] <CellarDoor> Mrono: excellent
[05:29] <CellarDoor> oh ok
[05:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Heh, guess we need an Adblock for Windows now, and not just Firefox. ;)
[05:29] <CellarDoor> pardon my n00bness
[05:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP - we're all n00bs at some point.
[05:29] <Mrono> you know whats better then a quick clean install?
[05:30] <CellarDoor> :)
[05:30] <Mrono> an install that sails through after you've had to hunt for 3-4 packages
[05:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mrono:  A quick clean install with ads!
[05:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> oh. :P
[05:30] <Mrono> ha!
[05:30] <Mrono> lol
[05:31] <brendan_> yeah, I know what you mean
[05:31] <brendan_> it's kinda satisfying to finally get it to work
[05:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah.
[05:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> I spent two days trying to get my wireless working in here.
[05:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Felt great when it worked. ;)
[05:31] <Mrono> woah
[05:32] <robotgeek_away>  /nick robotgeek
[05:32] <Mrono> is it possible to run KDE on mac
[05:32] <brendan_> I feel like I need a cooler name... that underscore is starting to get rediculous
[05:32] <Mrono> true
[05:32] <brendan_> afaik, it is
[05:32] <robotgeek> Mrono: i tht i read it somewhere
[05:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> Heh
[05:32] <Mrono> darn
[05:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> A friend of mine is trying to do that too. :P
[05:33] <Mrono> man
[05:33] <Mrono> this is quite the install
[05:33] <Mrono> still going
[05:33] <CellarDoor> ah qca-tls is already installed... excellent
[05:33] <CellarDoor> ooh this is exciting
[05:34] <flamingmonkey> huh, well, who would have thought that'd be in use
[05:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've actually never had CheeseBurgerMan be in use. :D
[05:35] <brendan_> hmmm
[05:35] <Mrono> lol
[05:35] <brendan_> lol
[05:35] <brendan_> ah well
[05:35] <brendan_> I'll have to come up with something sleek and exciting sounding
[05:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> brendan_: become greaseballofdoom
[05:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> :D
[05:35] <brendan_> you know, like with 6000 on the end
[05:36] <Mrono> darnit
[05:36] <Mrono> it didn't work
[05:36] <brendan_> lol, nah, I'm good
[05:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[05:36] <brendan_> greaseballofdoom is probably taken anyways, such a prime name and all
[05:36] <Mrono> but you know what
[05:36] <CellarDoor> erm.. what is google's talk server ?
[05:37] <brendan_> I feel like it's talk.google.com
[05:37] <CellarDoor> I just used talk.google.com and got an unknown host
[05:37] <brendan_> but I havent' checked that
[05:37] <brendan_> ah
[05:37] <Mrono> idk
[05:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> brendan_: Yeah, those grease balls are everywhere.
[05:37] <flamingxmonkey> well, that one's not taken
[05:37] <CellarDoor> oh... my jabber ID is prolly already in use...
[05:38] <Mrono> hey
[05:38] <Mrono> how do you install .jar
[05:40] <flamingxmonkey> usually a .jar is just runnable with the java runtime
[05:40] <flamingxmonkey> java *.jar
[05:40] <flamingxmonkey> or something like that
[05:40] <flamingxmonkey> you might need to give it the path
[05:40] <Mrono> uh
[05:41] <CellarDoor> I'm not getting anywhere here
[05:42] <flamingxmonkey> hmmm, ok, well, I've got this name registered now, so I guess this is what I'll use
[05:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, that works.
[05:43] <flamingxmonkey> yeah, it's fun at least
[05:43] <CellarDoor> oh... you have to have a google mail address to use google talk ?
[05:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> I guess. I've never bothered with it.
[05:44] <CellarDoor> what a pain
[05:44] <flamingxmonkey> yeah, I think you do
[05:44] <CellarDoor> "dont be evil" my arse
[05:44] <flamingxmonkey> lol
[05:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[05:44] <flamingxmonkey> well, they've put themselves in a bit of a position lately
[05:45] <gamma> cups works for me on dapper :D!!!
[05:47] <Snake__> cups?
[05:47] <flamingxmonkey> common unix printing system
[05:47] <Snake__> ah
[05:47] <gamma> only issue i have now with dapper is kaffeine sometimes crashes konqueror using embedded files from websites
[05:47] <gamma> not exactly sure how to fix it either..
[05:49] <CellarDoor> argh
[05:49] <CellarDoor> there doesnt seem to be any sign up info on the gmail page other than "sign up using your mobile phone"
[05:49] <CellarDoor> what the hell is that !
[05:50] <gamma> CellarDoor: give me your current email addy ill send you an invite
[05:51] <Mrono> oh
[05:51] <Mrono> I couldhave as well
[05:52] <gamma> i think anyone could.. 99 invites left :P
[05:52] <gamma> i think they should keep the registration system like this
[05:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, I think I have that many too
[05:52] <flamingxmonkey> I probably do, lol
[05:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Together, we can invite the channel! ;)
[05:54] <flamingxmonkey> hmmm, yeah 100 left
[05:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:55] <gamma> you could send invites to yourself and have 1billion invites after a while :P
[05:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:55] <gamma> for a massive 1billion*2GB of storage
[05:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> yeah, but I haven't even used up my current HDD. :)
[05:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> Although it'd be a nice backup. :P
[05:57] <gamma> how do you guys like my current ss? http://home.cfl.rr.com/gamma/images/ss-kde.png
[05:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> Looks good.
[05:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> Nice high resolution. :P
[05:59] <flamingxmonkey> if I recall correctly, there was a project a little while back to make a linux kernel driver to allow you to use multiple, distributed gmail accounts as a hard drive
[05:59] <flamingxmonkey> so you could chain them together, and just mount them like a standard block device
[06:00] <_mefisto> kontact keeps crashing on me with a sigsegv
[06:00] <gamma> flamingxmonkey: yea.. i remember that.. you could mount gmail accounts as hard drives
[06:00] <flamingxmonkey> http://www.tipmonkies.com/2005/05/08/use-gmail-as-an-extra-hard-drive/
[06:00] <gamma> 1600x1200 on a 15" laptop.. gotta love it
[06:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Wow
[06:01] <admrl_> amarok 1.4!!!
[06:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> I have a 14" running 1280x768
[06:01] <flamingxmonkey> yeah, I'm running 1400x1050, but you outdue me by one :)
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8695/snapshot28aj.png <---My screenshot
[06:02] <gamma> i don't mine 1024x768 as long as i'm using a good window manager
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Whoa. I just tried to type into the Gaim on my screenshot. :P
[06:02] <gamma> in kde i dont even use multiple desktops.. too much of a pain to manage
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> gamma: same.
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> i don't want to think about what's on what desktop.
[06:02] <gamma> CheeseBurgerMan: why aren't you using konversation?
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> I like Gaim. :P
[06:03] <gamma> eww :P
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[06:03] <gamma> gaim-2.0 looks gross and breaks everything good in gaim-1.5
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> I don't have 2.0 ;)
[06:04] <gamma> good man :P
[06:04] <gamma> admrl_: yea amarok1.4 rocks
[06:04] <gamma> i used to hate amarok, but i must have been stupid before
[06:04] <CellarDoor> finally... my gmail account is registered.... arrrgghhhgh !
[06:05] <gamma> osd, query, podcasts and dynamic mode rules
[06:05] <admrl_> ive been working on graphic design for amarok
[06:05] <CellarDoor> dynamic mode is rather cool
[06:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> AmaroK doesn't seem to recognise the soundcard, but I've gotta restore my backup and get my music back before I can see if it was a quirk in my install.
[06:05] <gamma> CheeseBurgerMan: try another backend..
[06:06] <Snake__> I dont understand how it owrks
[06:06] <CellarDoor> yeah
[06:06] <Snake__> or what it does for that matter
[06:06] <CellarDoor> get rid of gstreamer
[06:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> sir, yes sir!
[06:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[06:06] <Snake__> Get xine
[06:06] <gamma> Snake__: it's basically random mode, but it always keeps the list full
[06:06] <CellarDoor> its erm... well... dynamic :D
[06:06] <gamma> xine ftw
[06:06] <Snake__> gamma: I just tell it to put my whole collection in the player..
[06:06] <Snake__> lol
[06:06] <CellarDoor> It adds songs to the list it thinks you like
[06:06] <gamma> my current amarok theme is slow and laggy, but looks so cool
[06:07] <gamma> Snake__: how many songs is that roughly?
[06:07] <CellarDoor> my amarok is unthemed atm
[06:07] <CellarDoor> plain ol amarok
[06:07] <gamma> ew :P
[06:07] <Snake__> gamma: collection count is at 1306 tracks
[06:07] <CellarDoor> hehe
[06:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Only 1300? ;)
[06:07] <Snake__> Yea :-/
[06:07] <Snake__> lol
[06:07] <Snake__> Im workin on uppin it ;)
[06:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[06:08] <CellarDoor> but I'm using baghira for my kde, so plain looks alright
[06:08] <gamma> i useed to add my whole playlist like that, but it was too annoying to shift between tracks and i don't like to listen to everything in order.. or everything totally random
[06:08] <gamma> CellarDoor: got a ss?
[06:08] <Snake__> gamma: how do I use dynamic mode?
[06:08] <CellarDoor> ss ?
[06:08] <Snake__> screenshot
[06:08] <gamma> are you on 1.4? or 1.3.8?
[06:08] <CellarDoor> oh
[06:08] <Snake__> gamma: me?
[06:08] <gamma> yea
[06:08] <Snake__> 1.3.8 is my regular player
[06:09] <Snake__> but I been playin with 1.4
[06:09] <Snake__> Freakin awesome player
[06:09] <Snake__> (just give me directions to 1.3.8 :) )
[06:09] <gamma> go to playlists and select random mix in dynamic mode
[06:09] <gamma> or there should be a little cube icon in the status bar on the bottom
[06:10] <Mrono> hey
[06:10] <Snake__> wow...this isnt to smart is it..
[06:10] <Snake__> lol
[06:10] <Mrono> how do I install .jar
[06:10] <gamma> Mrono: like a firefox theme?
[06:10] <Mrono> no
[06:10] <Mrono> like a program I downloaded
[06:11] <gamma> oh.. i thought jars were java zips
[06:11] <CellarDoor> gamma: do you want this screenshot ?
[06:11] <gamma> oh
[06:11] <gamma> yea
[06:11] <flamingxmonkey> http://bitsmithy.net/screen.png if anybody's interested
[06:11] <gamma> didn't see the dcc :P
[06:11] <CellarDoor> my desktop is pretty ordinary
[06:11] <Mrono> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=126211&package_id=139264&release_id=369397
[06:12] <flamingxmonkey> mine's simple enough
[06:12] <flamingxmonkey> err, or not
[06:12] <gamma> Mrono: try java -jar jarfile.here
[06:12] <Mrono> http://mrono.net/main/photos/computer/desktop02232006.png
[06:12] <Mrono> mine
[06:12] <Mrono> I can extract it with ark
[06:12] <flamingxmonkey> seems it didn't update my new screenshot
[06:12] <Snake__> flamingxmonkey: I like your window manager
[06:12] <gamma> flamingxmonkey: intersting color choices :P
[06:12] <CellarDoor> ah not bad
[06:12] <Snake__> gamma: wanna see intresting colors?
[06:13] <Mrono> is that KDE?
[06:13] <flamingxmonkey> is that the thing with the purple stripe?
[06:13] <admrl_> snake hes using kde
[06:13] <gamma> yea
[06:13] <flamingxmonkey> that's the screenshot I was working on with the guy earlier
[06:13] <Snake__> hang on
[06:13] <flamingxmonkey> I actually use crystal normally... seems that the screenshot didn't update properly
[06:13] <Snake__> admrl_: I ment his window theme
[06:13] <Snake__> okay?
[06:13] <Snake__> lol
[06:13] <gamma> Mrono: that shroom ss is like 7 years old ;) still looks good though
[06:13] <admrl_> haha
[06:13] <Gyoza> I'm building a PC for my brother.  nforce2.  X randomly restarts.  What the heck?
[06:13] <gamma> CellarDoor: looks good
[06:13] <CellarDoor> Mrono is that crystal windecos ?
[06:14] <Mrono> just crystal
[06:14] <Snake__> gamma: here
[06:14] <Snake__> http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6357/sweet23dr.jpg
[06:14] <Snake__> mine
[06:14] <Snake__> ;)
[06:14] <Mrono> shroom?
[06:14] <gamma> my progress bars @ amarok don't work
[06:14] <gamma> dunno how yours are working
[06:14] <CellarDoor> whoah
[06:14] <Snake__> hehe
[06:14] <CellarDoor> hey I dont mind that Snake__
[06:14] <gamma> Snake__: is that your everday desktop?
[06:15] <Snake__> gamma: It was for about 3 months
[06:15] <Snake__> gamma: its blue now
[06:15] <CellarDoor> its loud and erm... pink... but I like it
[06:15] <Snake__> :)
[06:15] <admrl_> lol
[06:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[06:15] <CellarDoor> oh
[06:15] <gamma> i'm in a dark room and my shirt just glowed purple when i opened that window
[06:15] <gamma> very BRIGHT
[06:15] <CellarDoor> I see what you've done
[06:15] <CellarDoor> I used to have that wallpaper
[06:15] <arthomps> anybody got input on getting audigy z2 driver to be used instead of onboard pos sound?
[06:15] <Snake__> LOL gamma !
[06:16] <Snake__> gamma: you would like my flux box ;) Pure black with gray text :)
[06:16] <gamma> haha that's too dark :P
[06:16] <admrl_> oh i used to LOVE fluxbox
[06:16] <gamma> i tried a peach desktop once
[06:16] <Snake__> how did that work out?
[06:16] <gamma> it was alright.. easy on the eyes and kinda relaxing
[06:17] <gamma> red desktops or bright blue make me frusterated
[06:17] <CellarDoor> I like xfce
[06:17] <Snake__> heh
[06:17] <CellarDoor> its a littly crashy atm though
[06:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mine's green, black, and purple. :P
[06:17] <admrl_> mine is greenish right now
[06:17] <admrl_> i did a really full vista like look
[06:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desktop that is, not window manager. ;)
[06:17] <gamma> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1938&c=3 was my old desktop
[06:18] <CellarDoor> Snake__: what are you using as a dockapp at the bottom of your desktop ?
[06:19] <Snake__> CellarDoor: Kicker
[06:19] <admrl_> http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/8080/vistalook13bo.jpg
[06:19] <Snake__> CellarDoor: I have kicker all over the place
[06:19] <admrl_> this is an old vista one i did
[06:19] <CellarDoor> oh
[06:19] <gamma> admrl_: is that true transparency?
[06:19] <Snake__> This is my current, and will stay like this one for a while
[06:19] <Snake__> http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/773/untitled8by.jpg
[06:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> And that is what happens when you press "signoff" in Gaim instead of "Preferences"
[06:19] <gamma> Snake__: wtf is that hting in the top left corner?
[06:20] <gamma> haha
[06:20] <Snake__> gamma: just what it says :)
[06:20] <Snake__> its a sk theme I made
[06:20] <flamingxmonkey> hmm, got my proper screenshot up
[06:20] <gamma> no the bar graph thingy i mean
[06:20] <flamingxmonkey> http://bitsmithy.net/screen1.png
[06:20] <Snake__> gamma: Hmm? OHH
[06:20] <Snake__> Thats my wifi
[06:20] <admrl_> gamma where...?
[06:21] <Snake__> Handy lil tool
[06:21] <gamma> oho
[06:21] <gamma> admrl_: in your vista shot
[06:21] <admrl_> the toolbar..?
[06:21] <admrl_> i mean panel
[06:21] <gamma> nooo the windows
[06:21] <gamma> or is that via composite
[06:21] <admrl_> no there isnt transparency
[06:21] <Snake__> does vista have trans?
[06:22] <admrl_> i think it will
[06:22] <admrl_> im not going to try
[06:22] <admrl_> it
[06:22] <admrl_> i know that :D
[06:22] <Snake__> me neither
[06:22] <gamma> http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4354/screenshot20060221busy6ht.png is a nice desktop
[06:22] <Snake__> admrl_: MS is going to be charging for their spyware software now
[06:23] <gamma> that's going to be free i heard
[06:23] <Snake__> gamma: you herd wrong
[06:23] <Snake__> hang on
[06:23] <admrl_> im sticking with linux
[06:23] <Snake__> same
[06:23] <admrl_> i think im going to try openSuSe
[06:23] <gamma> i thought they were going to bundle it with vista or something
[06:23] <Snake__> admrl_: suse is very nice
[06:23] <admrl_> they have apt
[06:23] <admrl_> :D!!!
[06:23] <gamma> admrl_: don't try the betas
[06:23] <Snake__> gamma: yes for $50 a year
[06:24] <flamingxmonkey> the one you just posted looks nice, gamma
[06:24] <gamma> i got rid of my windows partition so i could care list
[06:24] <Mrono> yeah
[06:24] <gamma> thx
[06:24] <flamingxmonkey> it's nice and clean
[06:24] <Snake__> gamma: http://www.zdnetindia.com/news/business/stories/134053.html
[06:24] <robotgeek>
[06:24] <Mrono> btw
[06:24] <Mrono> gamma
[06:24] <Mrono> what's the controller for amarok by your start menu
[06:24] <admrl_> Snake__: wasnt it you that wanted to know how to watch videos on the command line
[06:25] <Snake__> lol yea
[06:25] <admrl_> i foudn that out awhile back
[06:25] <gamma> Snake__: that's their antivirus.. not spyware :P
[06:25] <admrl_> install mplayer and aalib
[06:25] <Snake__> gamma: thats their whole deal.
[06:25] <admrl_> mplayer -vo aa *video*
[06:25] <Snake__> gamma: read it
[06:25] <admrl_> renders in ascii :D
[06:25] <Snake__> admrl_: sweet, ill check it out
[06:25] <Snake__> :)
[06:25] <gamma> oh.. yea but they also said they're going to have the spyware thing seperate for download too or something..
[06:26] <Snake__> who know..they will be charging to update thier OS in due time
[06:26] <admrl_> or if you install caca mplayer -vo caca *video*
[06:26] <gamma> Mrono: what.. the launcher thingy?
[06:26] <admrl_> for ansi
[06:26] <Mrono> the amarok controller
[06:26] <tristanmike> gamma, how do you get the amarok highlighted selection rounded like that?
[06:26] <Snake__> admrl_: no aalib in repos??
[06:26] <admrl_> libaa1..?
[06:26] <admrl_> maybe
[06:26] <admrl_> tristanmike thats 1.4 beta
[06:27] <Snake__> !info aalib1
[06:27] <ubotu> aalib1: (ascii art library - transitional package), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.4p5-28ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 28 kB
[06:27] <Snake__> thats it
[06:27] <admrl_> i made the currenttrackbar
[06:27] <gamma> tristanmike: that's the new amarok-1.4bta1
[06:27] <admrl_> caca renders in color
[06:27] <gamma> beta*
[06:27] <tristanmike> mmmm...
[06:27] <Snake__> admrl_: is caca better?
[06:27] <admrl_> no
[06:28] <admrl_> it renders in color tho
[06:28] <admrl_> lol
[06:28] <Snake__> ah ok
[06:28] <Snake__> now I cant find my vids
[06:28] <Snake__> lol
[06:28] <admrl_> for awhile i even had my webcam rendering in ascii
[06:28] <Snake__> nice
[06:28] <flamingxmonkey> that's great
[06:28] <admrl_> haha
[06:28] <gamma> Snake__: http://www.google.com/search?q=microsoft+antispyware+to+remain+free&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[06:28] <gamma> :P
[06:29] <Snake__> lol
[06:29] <tristanmike> Snake__, how did you get the graident in your bottom panel?
[06:29] <admrl_> its just an image
[06:29] <admrl_> it will stretch it to the right size
[06:29] <Mrono> the amarok controller, how
[06:29] <admrl_> use inkscape make a gradient
[06:29] <Snake__> very seet admrl_
[06:29] <Snake__> sweet*
[06:30] <gamma> Mrono: the tray icon?
[06:30] <admrl_> http://admrlpix.tripod.com/dktoppix/asciicam1.jpg
[06:30] <Mrono> no
[06:30] <Mrono> the ipod looking thing
[06:30] <Mrono> it looks like itunes when it's in mini mode
[06:30] <admrl_> thats my webcam
[06:30] <Snake__> lol
[06:31] <Mrono> lol
[06:31] <admrl_> you gotta step back to see it
[06:31] <Snake__> its amazing how fast this thing renders
[06:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[06:31] <gamma> what ss are you looking at Mrono?
[06:31] <admrl_> ya i know
[06:31] <Mrono> http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4354/screenshot20060221busy6ht.png
[06:31] <Mrono> that's yours isn't it
[06:31] <Snake__> admrl_: and its only using 49% of my lil P3's power
[06:32] <admrl_> haha
[06:32] <admrl_> we have a new no cover icon in amarok today
[06:32] <admrl_> the svn
[06:32] <Mrono> I don't think I want to bleed
[06:32] <Snake__> admrl_: I wonder if that works in a full CLI enviroment..
[06:32] <flamingxmonkey> seems that it should
[06:33] <flamingxmonkey> if it's really just text
[06:33] <flamingxmonkey> anyways, I'm off all
[06:33] <flamingxmonkey> cheers
[06:33] <Snake__> Brb im gonna find out
[06:34] <gamma> Mrono: oh no.. that's some other guys
[06:34] <Mrono> oh
[06:34] <gamma> i dunno what the player is.. probably like a superkaramba thingy
[06:34] <Snake__> HOLY CRAP IT DOES
[06:34] <Snake__> admrl_: LOL I CAN WATCH VIDS ON SERVER INSTALLS
[06:34] <gamma> brb
[06:34] <admrl_> Snake__ what are you can you do..?
[06:35] <admrl_> ive never heard of cli
[06:35] <Snake__> admrl_: are you being serious.
[06:35] <Snake__> rofl.
[06:35] <admrl_> lol i am
[06:35] <CellarDoor> admrl_: command line interface
[06:35] <Snake__> Command Line Input...terminal...console..
[06:35] <Snake__> kik
[06:35] <Snake__> lol*
[06:35] <admrl_> ok
[06:35] <CellarDoor> or that yeah
[06:35] <CellarDoor> :P
[06:35] <robotgeek> !cli
[06:35] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[06:36] <Snake__> admrl_: I just alt+ctrl+f1 and watched the movie
[06:36] <admrl_> never heard anyone call it that
[06:36] <Snake__> its pretty sweet
[06:36] <admrl_> Snake__ i know
[06:36] <CellarDoor> ah see, ubotu says I was right
[06:36] <CellarDoor> ;)
[06:36] <admrl_> thats how i use it
[06:36] <Snake__> Hehe
[06:36] <CellarDoor> Snake__: you didnt know you could play vids from a bash prompt ?
[06:36] <admrl_> :0-:7 are my friends
[06:37] <Snake__> ClayG: I knew I could, I didnt know how tho
[06:37] <admrl_> you cant do it in konsole or terminal
[06:37] <Snake__> Wow Mplayer is aawesome
[06:37] <Snake__> hehe
[06:37] <CellarDoor> I hate mplayer
[06:37] <admrl_> Snake__ what do you use for music..?
[06:37] <Snake__> admrl_: amarok
[06:37] <admrl_> mp3123..?
[06:37] <admrl_> i mean in the terminal
[06:38] <admrl_> caca looses it in the terminal tho
[06:38] <Snake__> admrl_: dont really play music in the terminal
[06:38] <admrl_> oh
[06:38] <CellarDoor> $play coolmusic.mp3
[06:38] <admrl_> aplay works too
[06:38] <CellarDoor> aplay ?
[06:38] <admrl_> yep
[06:38] <Snake__> for?
[06:38] <CellarDoor> whats the difference ?
[06:38] <admrl_> aplay -t WAV song.wav
[06:40] <CellarDoor> I'm actually getting into The Church's Starfish album
[06:40] <CellarDoor> not sure if this is a good thing
[06:40] <admrl_> at my school ive been using terminal for alot
[06:40] <admrl_> im making scripts for a radio station that doesnt need to be touched
[06:40] <admrl_> just let it go
[06:41] <admrl_> where you can vote for songs and such
[06:41] <CellarDoor> I'm gonna buy a book to work my way through
[06:41] <admrl_> work your way through what..?
[06:41] <CellarDoor> I know there's online resources, but I like the idea of working my way through a book
[06:41] <Snake|Sleep> Night guys
[06:41] <CellarDoor> nite Snake|Sleep
[06:41] <admrl_> CellarDoor bash..?
[06:41] <Snake|Sleep> Thanks admrl_ for the aa hint :)
[06:41] <admrl_> oh yep
[06:41] <admrl_> anytime
[06:42] <admrl_> CellarDoor if your just learning bash and dont know much about programming learn arrays and loops
[06:42] <admrl_> they are the most important thing you can learn starting out
[06:42] <CellarDoor> admrl_: I'm thinking of getting this - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131478230/qid=1140669418/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-2402939-9300824?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
[06:43] <admrl_> get one that only covers bash
[06:43] <admrl_> i made the mistake of getting a unix shell book
[06:43] <CellarDoor> I'm a n00b, and the reviews of this book are pretty good
[06:43] <admrl_> do you know what a shell is..?
[06:43] <CellarDoor> yeah
[06:43] <admrl_> bash or ash and such
[06:43] <CellarDoor> yeah
[06:43] <admrl_> goes on and on
[06:43] <admrl_> well learn bash
[06:44] <admrl_> thats the linux shell
[06:44] <admrl_> if you get a book that covers to many shells it gets really confusing trying to read the book
[06:44] <CellarDoor> yeah it covers bash and tcsh
[06:44] <admrl_> ya that should be good
[06:45] <CellarDoor> yeah pretty much everything uses bash
[06:45] <admrl_> not too expencive either
[06:45] <admrl_> expensive*
[06:45] <admrl_> :)
[06:45] <CellarDoor> :)
[06:45] <CellarDoor> I see some shocking spelling on IRC
[06:45] <admrl_> lol oh ya..?
[06:46] <admrl_> whats the worst youve seen
[06:46] <CellarDoor> no
[06:46] <CellarDoor> :P
[06:46] <admrl_> lol
[06:46] <admrl_> i reallly need to rework the current track bar in amarok
[06:47] <CellarDoor> A Practical Guide to Linux: Commands, Editors, and Shell Programming. Looks good. I need to start learning something...
[06:47] <admrl_> i just noticed how bad it looks in one of those screenshots
[06:47] <CellarDoor> lemme se
[06:47] <CellarDoor> *lemmy see
[06:47] <admrl_> http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4354/screenshot20060221busy6ht.png
[06:48] <admrl_> idk whos screenshot that is
[06:48] <admrl_> but the bar shows a grey gradient in it
[06:48] <CellarDoor> oh yeah I saw that shot
[06:48] <CellarDoor> it has potential
[06:48] <admrl_> its becuz when i made the bar i made it grey
[06:48] <admrl_> and the gradient wasnt strong enough or something
[06:49] <admrl_> or maybe to strong you shouldnt see grey thru it its jsut the way we are overlaying the color it makes it show up
[06:49] <admrl_> like if you do a real overlay then it shows up perfect
[06:49] <CellarDoor> I dont even have a clue how to make an amarok theme
[06:50] <admrl_> im not talking about the theme
[06:50] <CellarDoor> oh
[06:50] <admrl_> i do graphic design on amarok
[06:50] <CellarDoor> ooh
[06:50] <admrl_> yep yep
[06:50] <CellarDoor> is this for the next version ?
[06:50] <admrl_> yep
[06:50] <CellarDoor> cool
[06:51] <Tulga> hi all! I Installed compiz-kde on dapper 4. but startx not working now. :(
[06:51] <admrl_> Tulga how long have you been using linux..?
[06:51] <Tulga> admrl_: 1 year
[06:51] <admrl_> lol ok
[06:52] <admrl_> if you where new i was going to say dont use dapper :)
[06:52] <Mrono> who mentioned alt+ctrl+f11
[06:52] <Tulga> admrl_: but I want to see xgl
[06:52] <Mrono> !xgl
[06:52] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu and #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[06:52] <Mrono> !tell tulga about xgl
[06:52] <admrl_> Mrono me and Snake__ where talking about it
[06:52] <CellarDoor> admrl_: I baghira'ify amarok and it looks loverly :P
[06:52] <Mrono> just what does it do
[06:53] <Mrono> I had to do a hard reboot
[06:53] <admrl_> Mrono ctrl-alt-f1
[06:53] <admrl_> not f11
[06:53] <admrl_> it takes you to a fullscreen terminal
[06:53] <Mrono> ah
[06:53] <CellarDoor> I've been using kubuntu for about a year now
[06:53] <Mrono> and how do you exit it
[06:53] <admrl_> then ctrl-alt-f7
[06:53] <CellarDoor> This is the longest I've used any distro... thats saying something
[06:54] <admrl_> CellarDoor me to
[06:54] <admrl_> i couldnt pick until i used ubuntu
[06:54] <CellarDoor> yah
[06:54] <admrl_> but sadly it is only becuz it uses a debian package manager
[06:54] <admrl_> not becuz ubuntu is amazing :D
[06:54] <admrl_> lol
[06:55] <admrl_> since ive been using it ive found a few problems i dont like
[06:55] <CellarDoor> I was considering Suse till I had a look at kubuntu... and I fell in love with apt... and kubuntu is simple... helps someone like me get to grips with things
[06:55] <admrl_> CellarDoor Suse now uses apt
[06:56] <CellarDoor> yeah I've heard about that
[06:56] <CellarDoor> which is good
[06:56] <InteliWasp> any of you guys good with wireless cards and non-satndard inf files?
[06:56] <admrl_> i need to do a few icons before i go to sleep i still have like 4 undone currenttrack_bar icons for amarok to do
[06:57] <admrl_> haha
[06:57] <CellarDoor> I thought it was interesting that Suse 10 lets you install RPM's from any RPM distro too... though you'll have to put up with dependancy messages...
[06:57] <admrl_> 12:57 and i start working
[06:57] <Mrono> hmmm
[06:57] <Mrono> stupid
[06:57] <Mrono> me
[06:57] <CellarDoor> Suse with apt sounds good... but its using kde 3.4
[06:58] <Mrono> I hit it again before seeing how to get out of it
[06:58] <Mrono> lol
[06:58] <admrl_> so does ubuntu
[06:58] <admrl_> but you can upgrade kde
[06:58] <admrl_> im using 3.5.1
[06:58] <CellarDoor> I'm using 3.5
[06:58] <Mrono> 3.4.3 here
[06:58] <CellarDoor> do I need to update my sources for 3.5.1 ?
[06:58] <admrl_> lol if you want
[06:58] <admrl_> only bug fixes
[06:59] <CellarDoor> yeah I wasnt sure if it was worth it
[06:59] <admrl_> 3.4 to 3.5 was amazing
[06:59] <admrl_> im still in heaven from that update
[06:59] <CellarDoor> roll on KDE4 :D
[06:59] <admrl_> haha
[06:59] <admrl_> going to need to eventually
[07:00] <CellarDoor> I cant wait
[07:00] <admrl_> im doing some things for kalzium and if i want to see anything i need qt4
[07:00] <Mrono> really
[07:00] <CellarDoor> yeh
[07:00] <Mrono> whats changed from 3.4to 3.5
[07:00] <InteliWasp> uh... can you help me or do I need to go somewere else?
[07:01] <admrl_> InteliWasp maybe check the forums i dont know anything about it
[07:01] <CellarDoor> InteliWasp: sorry, thats a bit beyond my knowledge :P
[07:01] <admrl_> Mrono alot
[07:01] <admrl_> its a need
[07:01] <InteliWasp> oh well, thanks anyway
[07:01] <Mrono> hmmmm
[07:01] <admrl_> and upgrade konversation
[07:01] <Mrono> i'll do it after I recompile my kernal tomorrow
[07:01] <admrl_> your going to need to do it from source cuz there isnt an ubuntu package
[07:02] <Mrono> I have konversation .14
[07:02] <admrl_> but 0.19 is AMAZING
[07:02] <Mrono> whoops
[07:02] <Mrono> .18
[07:02] <Mrono> really
[07:02] <admrl_> compared to .18
[07:02] <admrl_> ya
[07:02] <Mrono> is it as good as mirc
[07:02] <CellarDoor> I'm still using .18
[07:02] <admrl_> i dont use mirc
[07:02] <Mrono> I script on mirc
[07:02] <CellarDoor> mIRC !!!??
[07:02] <admrl_> ya kubuntu only has a deb for .18
[07:02] <Mrono> yeah
[07:02] <CellarDoor> mIRC is teh sux0r
[07:03] <Mrono> where can i get the source for .19
[07:03] <CellarDoor> I was on xchat till I discovered konversation
[07:03] <admrl_> http://download.berlios.de/konversation/konversation-0.19.tar.bz2
[07:03] <CellarDoor> konversation won me over
[07:03] <admrl_> ya i was usinx xchat to
[07:03] <admrl_> and i used bitchx or whatever for awhile
[07:04] <admrl_> but i dont remember what side the x and the bitch are on
[07:04] <admrl_> haha
[07:04] <Dasnipa`> mirc scripting lol thats like visual basic programming
[07:04] <Dasnipa`> just about as useless
[07:04] <Dasnipa`> perl irc scripts > *
[07:05] <admrl_> konversation .18 sucks for alot of channels
[07:05] <Mrono> yes it does
[07:05] <Mrono> omg yes ut does
[07:05] <admrl_> .19 is WAY better
[07:05] <Mrono> i ususally have like 15 or spo
[07:05] <Mrono> hmm
[07:05] <Mrono> just finished dl
[07:06] <admrl_> its amazing
[07:06] <admrl_> we need a package for it
[07:06] <admrl_> but i dont know how to package debs
[07:07] <Mrono> woah
[07:07] <Mrono> now that's a problem
[07:07] <admrl_> whats the problem..?
[07:07] <Mrono> guess what just crashed
[07:07] <CellarDoor> how do I install .19 ?
[07:07] <chavo> .19 is in dapper already
[07:07] <Mrono> kicker
[07:07] <admrl_> CellarDoor you need the source
[07:07] <admrl_> then you gotta extract it
[07:08] <Dasnipa`> or the dapper repo admrl_
[07:08] <Mrono> crap
[07:08] <admrl_> Dasnipa`: will it work fine..?
[07:08] <Mrono> there we go
[07:08] <Mrono> lol
[07:08] <Dasnipa`> it most likely would... or you could wait 2 months for dapper stable to come out
[07:09] <Mrono> so what does this require
[07:09] <Mrono> or is it a clean install
[07:09] <Mrono> brb
[07:09] <Mrono> installing
[07:09] <CellarDoor> bbl guys
[07:09] <admrl_> i love .19
[07:10] <chavo> it's hott
[07:10] <admrl_> aseigo you use kubuntu..?
[07:10] <aseigo> admrl_: on some machines here, yes
[07:10] <admrl_> i didnt expect to see you in this room
[07:11] <admrl_> alot more people use ubuntu than i thought
[07:12] <Mrono> what are a few reason my wallpaper would dissapear
[07:12] <admrl_> if you xkill it i think it will disapear
[07:12] <Mrono> how do i get it back
[07:12] <admrl_> im pretty sure that happened to me once..
[07:13] <admrl_> lol i dont know i restarted
[07:13] <Mrono> restart x?
[07:13] <Mrono> ok
[07:13] <admrl_> ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:13] <aseigo> admrl_: i think kubuntu has some real promise in areas other distros don't... i've been helping a regional IT support company move from being a windows support company to a kubuntu support company over the last year, actually
[07:13] <Mrono> i'll do that after i install konversatiuon
[07:13] <aseigo> admrl_: which has been a rather interesting experience for everyone involved
[07:13] <Mrono> hmm
[07:13] <Mrono> very neat
[07:13] <admrl_> ya it seems to
[07:13] <aseigo> they still do windows related work, obviously, but almost all their new work is coming in the form of linux, and they use kubuntu for smb/sme installs
[07:14] <aseigo> that and i like kubuntu too .. riddel's a great guy, and the distro is really taking shape
[07:14] <admrl_> thats cool i tried using kubuntu in my school but the only box was a p2 and it went really really slow
[07:14] <aseigo> Mrono: nah
[07:14] <admrl_> haha
[07:14] <aseigo> Mrono: just open a konsole and run kdesktop
[07:15] <Mrono> nvm,
[07:15] <Mrono> it was just the wallpaper
[07:15] <Mrono> weird
[07:15] <admrl_> lol
[07:15] <Mrono> brb
[07:15] <Mrono> restarting x
[07:15] <aseigo> admrl_: less important than proc is mem obviously =) though we had a box at SCALE the other week with 64MB of ram running KDE on debian that was doing quite nicely
[07:15] <aseigo> admrl_: and that was a PII550
[07:15] <aseigo> admrl_: not a speed demon, obviously
[07:16] <admrl_> ya definately
[07:16] <admrl_> i had that box running debian at one point
[07:17] <admrl_> it was soo slow and i thought setting up printers in kubuntu was alot easier then i found out about hplip
[07:18] <admrl_> cups and lp confused me
[07:19] <admrl_> ive only been using linux for a year and 2 months now tho
[07:22] <Mrono> woah
[07:22] <Mrono> different
[07:22] <admrl_> like it..?
[07:22] <admrl_> it needs to be in the backports
[07:22] <tristanmike> I can't update my KDE menu using the Menu Editor, can someone lend a hand please?
[07:23] <admrl_> tristanmike what do you mean update your kde menu
[07:23] <tristanmike> like add something to it or move something around
[07:23] <Mrono> yeah
[07:24] <admrl_> whats it say when you try to do it
[07:24] <Mrono> i wish they would drop that whole icon by the name
[07:24] <Mrono> I want symbols
[07:24] <tristanmike> it appears to work, but doesn't
[07:24] <Mrono> like V and O and ~ and & and @
[07:24] <admrl_> haha
[07:24] <admrl_> i wouldnt like symbols
[07:24] <Mrono> it's hard to tell
[07:25] <tristanmike> I save the new configuration, it updates the system (though the progress bar just kinda blinks). but when I close, it's not there
[07:25] <Mrono> cuz it doesn't support & and ~
[07:25] <Mrono> it just says those are O
[07:26] <admrl_> idk what to say it works to me the first time
[07:28] <tristanmike> yeah, it used to for me too
[07:29] <Mrono> this is so much better
[07:29] <Ex-Cyber> what's a good hex-capable calculator app?
[07:30] <admrl_>  sudo apt-cache search hex calculator    ??
[07:32] <Ex-Cyber> apt-cache doesn't give recommendations
[07:32] <Mrono> grrrrr
[07:32] <Mrono> the thing i hate most about this client is that it doesn't support thr /hop command
[07:33] <admrl_> Ex-Cyber i gave you one :D
[07:33] <admrl_> but you didnt like it
[07:33] <admrl_> try google
[07:36] <Ex-Cyber> admrl_: great job missing the point entirely
[07:37] <admrl_> i did the best i could to help you
[07:43] <Ex-Cyber> admrl_: if I want Google, I know where to find it
[07:45] <Mrono> how do you make files hidden
[07:46] <Ex-Cyber> Mrono: filenames starting with a period are normally not displayed by most things
[07:46] <Mrono> yep
[07:46] <Mrono> just figured that out
[07:47] <Ex-Cyber> it's really just a convention though; there's nothing special about the files as far as the system is concerned
[07:49] <Mrono> it makes it easier on my eyes
[07:49] <Mrono> since there isn't a program files folder
[07:49] <Mrono> or a my documents
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> Mrono: your home directory essentially is "My Documents"
[07:54] <Mrono> unfortunately so
[07:54] <Mrono> I always had the my documents
[07:54] <Mrono> then I had another folder where my other stuff went
[07:54] <Mrono> shortcuts
[07:54] <Mrono> installers
[07:54] <Mrono> etc
[08:04] <Mrono> cya guys tomorrow
[08:04] <dmdm> so eh
[08:05] <dmdm> is there anything equivalent to "my computer" in kubuntu
[08:05] <_giorgio> hi
[08:07] <dmdm> yo
[08:07] <dmdm> i wanna know if the drives on this pc are being seen by linux
[08:07] <dmdm> and if i can access em
[08:07] <stoned> i deleted my kde main menu, how can i get it back.  where is the default kde menu file located, i can load it with kmenuedit, i can't seem to find it
[08:08] <dmdm> if i do 'mount' i cant realy decipher the outcome
[08:08] <dmdm> so need to know how to like go to a location where i can view drives
[08:10] <tristanmike> Can anyone help me with Kubuntu's Menu Editor please?
[08:10] <dmdm> !xgl
[08:10] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu and #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[08:13] <_mindspin> ! ask
[08:14] <_mindspin> !ask
[08:19] <_mindspin> tristanmike: ask your question, otherwise you'll get no other answer than "yes"
[08:19] <tristanmike> _mindspin, oh, sorry, menu wont take my edits
[08:19] <tristanmike> edits
[08:20] <farous> !tell bubba about repos
[08:21] <_mindspin> what did you edit? what do you get? grayed ou menu entry ? nothing happens?
[08:21] <tristanmike> looks like it works, but nadda
[08:21] <farous> sorry wrong chan
[08:21] <robotgeek> dmdm: try System Settings -> Disks and FileSystems
[08:22] <dmdm> nice one thanks man
[08:23] <_mindspin> tristanmike: all information you gave yet is that you did some changes and they did't work
[08:23] <_mindspin> !work
[08:23] <ubotu> _mindspin: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:23] <tristanmike> lol
[08:23] <_mindspin> what answer would you give if yoe were an expert?
[08:23] <tristanmike> _mindspin, it's simple, I try to make any change to the kubuntu menu, make the save, everything looks fine, exit, no change, go back, looks like how I left it
[08:23] <_mindspin> try to be more precise
[08:24] <_mindspin> what dou you mean with any change
[08:24] <tristanmike> a move, create a new entry, anything, I've been at this for 2 or 3 hours now
[08:24] <_mindspin> maybe the programs you wanna edit are not installed?
[08:25] <tristanmike> please, I'm not _that_ dumb
[08:25] <_mindspin> ok
[08:25] <tristanmike> lol
[08:25] <_mindspin> how should I know?
[08:25] <tristanmike> lol, fair enough
[08:25] <CyberMad> i got this error when installing kubuntu: Loading /install/vmlinuz isolinux: Disk error 80, AX = 4280, drive 9F. Boot Failed
[08:25] <CyberMad> what that happen?
[08:26] <CyberMad> usually i install this kubuntu (CD) with other computer is ok
[08:26] <_mindspin> tristanmike: which kubuntu? you are logged in as user?
[08:26] <_mindspin> which kde?
[08:27] <tristanmike> 5.10, Breezy, normal install, I am the only user, and there is only one user
[08:27] <_mindspin> try updating kde to 3.4.1
[08:27] <tristanmike> I have "removed" my ~./kde folder and let it create another one, to no avail
[08:27] <_mindspin> it helped me in several ocasions like administration interface
[08:27] <tristanmike> ok, I'm not _that_ proficent yet either, lol
[08:28] <_mindspin> mom
[08:28] <tristanmike> haha
[08:28] <david> dude, I just did a dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper and it just worked 'out of the box', thet's really impressive imo! :)
[08:29] <_mindspin> tristanmike: add this to your sources.list
[08:29] <_mindspin> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[08:29] <boz> callie   Hi i finally got a clean install!!!  all i had to do was but another computer !! ; P
[08:30] <_mindspin> you also need to do this: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[08:30] <tristanmike> hmm, I'm not really comfortable with upgrading right now...i'm still a little to fresh for something as extravagent as that
[08:30] <_mindspin> and this:sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[08:30] <boz> callie buy, lol
[08:30] <david> now that I'm on dapper to I use upgrade or dist-upgrade when updating dapper?
[08:30] <_mindspin> uncomment the old entry for kde
[08:30] <robotgeek> david: you have to dist-upgrade from time to time on dapper
[08:31] <_mindspin> so open adept
[08:31] <tristanmike> ...the old entry? what old entry, I have no kde entry in my sources.list?
[08:31] <david> ok thans robotgeek
[08:31] <_mindspin> edit your repos  by adding the above mentioned entry
[08:31] <_mindspin> you should have...
[08:32] <_mindspin> !dapper
[08:32] <dmdm> apt-get dist-upgrade would upgrade the whole ubuntu os to the latest one?
[08:32] <robotgeek> dmdm: yes, but it is quite unstable, and you should not be using it :)
[08:33] <dmdm> shit..
[08:33] <dmdm> :P
[08:33] <david> robotgeek: can I do dist-upgrade in the gui of aptitude?
[08:33] <boz> hey, if anyones looking for a wireless card belkin fsb7010 is the sh*t!  right out of the box!
[08:33] <robotgeek> david: i dunno about aptitude, sorry. it should be possible, though
[08:33] <robotgeek> boz: what chipset does it have, ralink?
[08:33] <boz> yah
[08:34] <david> robotgeek: yeah I use aptitude dist-upgrade but the gui would me nicer, thanks anyway
[08:34] <boz> but all i had to do was insert it, ubuntu asked me for the winxp driver and off we go
[08:35] <boz> (after beating my brains out with a wpc11
[08:35] <robotgeek> boz: that ain't out of the box :)
[08:35] <boz> close 'nuff, lol
[08:36] <boz> it was well worth the 32 bucks,  lol
[08:36] <dmdm> i have a belkin
[08:36] <dmdm> i cant get it to work
[08:36] <dmdm> have to use wired lan :[
[08:36] <tristanmike> _mindspin, heh, actually, it seems that it's a permissions problem
[08:37] <dmdm> how do i see what chipset it is, cant remember command, something liek ifconfig or iwconfig or something
[08:37] <robotgeek> dmdm: lspci
[08:37] <tristanmike> _mindspin, I was naughty and ran gedit way earlier today using sudo instead of kdesu, i wasn't thinking until now
[08:37] <dmdm> broadcom 4306
[08:37] <robotgeek> !ndiswrapper
[08:37] <ubotu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:37] <robotgeek> dmdm: ^^
[08:38] <dmdm> ah cool
[08:38] <dmdm> is it included in kubuntu?
[08:38] <robotgeek> dmdm: there's also a nice link at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs
[08:38] <boz> (thats why i love this channel ; ) )
[08:38] <_mindspin> tristanmike: see thats why I asked "you are logged in as user?"
[08:40] <tristanmike> _mindspin, I'm logged in as user as per norm, but i was editing a file earlier, now that i recall, and i remember using sudo, not thinking, and didn't encounter a problem until the menu edit thing, that's why it seemed so mysterious
[08:41] <_mindspin> i understood
[08:41] <tristanmike> I just like to say it so I understand better
[08:41] <_mindspin> did you enable root log in on your system
[08:41] <tristanmike> um, no
[08:42] <tristanmike> pretty sure i didn't
[08:42] <_mindspin> I never had this although heard about
[08:42] <_mindspin> I osfte fire up an sudo command on the terminal
[08:42] <_mindspin> often
[08:43] <_mindspin> but never had any issues...
[08:43] <tristanmike> yeah, I get all the stupid ones
[08:43] <david> as long as you don't start a graphical application it shouldn't be a problem
[08:43] <_mindspin> consider a kde update, its real better integrated and more stable
[08:43] <_mindspin> ah
[08:44] <_mindspin> I do it always on konsule, but no sometimes I star kynaptic
[08:44] <_mindspin> but it works fine
[08:44] <tristanmike> and since I was using gedit, poof there go my settings
[08:44] <_mindspin> take vi
[08:44] <david> _mindspin: it's saver to use kdesu to start graphical apps
[08:44] <_mindspin> I know menwhile
[08:45] <_mindspin> I just stated thad I myself never seen those problems
[08:45] <david> ok :)
[08:46] <_mindspin> It was enouh work to get su out of my head to replace it with sudo
[08:46] <_mindspin> so I have to lear to use kdesudo
[08:46] <boz> i know i'll get my head bashed , but i install the automatix script and the new (in the last two weeks) is awsome
[08:46] <_mindspin> but I'm doing half my work on konsole
[08:46] <Mrono> !alien
[08:46] <ubotu> alien is, like, totally, a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/