[07:42] <xu-irc0w> hey guys so a quick question. I try to install xubuntu on portable virtual box. it always errors out on installation saying read only directory closer to the end. anyone has clue why? my disc is fixed size 45 gb
[07:46] <xu-irc0w> i have logs but im unsure whether they contain any private info i should cut out before sharing
[15:13] <bodiccea> I am burning xubuntu 20-04.1. I noticed that there is no checksum (MD5 or SHA) for the ISO image. They exist for the 20.04 ISO. I checked two mirrors (France, USA). I am not sure how to report that. Any idea ?
[15:20] <tomreyn> bodiccea: where did you download from?
[15:20] <tomreyn> i see checksums at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/20.04.1/release/
[15:21] <tomreyn> oh, but indeed only the SHA256sum file was updated, because the other ones are no longe rconsidered proper hashing methods
[15:21] <bodiccea> France mirror: http://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.xubuntu.com/releases/20.04/release/. I checked also US mirror: http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/20.04/release/
[15:22] <bodiccea> tomreyn, your mirror shows the same as mine: MD5 and SHA are for 20-04, not 20-04.1
[15:22] <tomreyn> http://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.xubuntu.com/releases/20.04/release/SHA256SUMS looks good to me
[15:23] <tomreyn> http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/20.04/release/SHA256SUMS also
[15:23] <bodiccea> Just check files dates, checksums cannot have been done in April, while 20-04.1 were made in July
[15:23] <tomreyn> i did
[15:23] <tomreyn> you're referring to MD5SUMS* and SHA1SUMS*
[15:23] <bodiccea> your last link is 20.04, not 20-04.1
[15:24] <tomreyn> are you referring to the "20.04" in the urll?
[15:24] <bodiccea> I refer to both.
[15:24] <bodiccea> My URL has links to both images (20-04", and "20-04.1".
[15:25] <tomreyn> please do this:   curl https://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/20.04/release/SHA256SUMS
[15:25] <bodiccea> Your URL too, and your URL too has only 20-04 checksums
[15:25] <tomreyn> what is the output you see?
[15:26] <tomreyn> there should be two lines of output, you can paste them here
[15:26] <tomreyn> if it's more than two, please use a pastebin
[15:26] <bodiccea> MD5SUMS: c8977ce50d175dfce8e309dcaef8f1b3 *xubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:27] <tomreyn> that's the output the above command provides?
[15:28] <bodiccea> No, yours has 2 lines.
[15:28] <tomreyn> maybe you just missed this line (the third i wrote in response to you):
 oh, but indeed only the SHA256sum file was updated, because the other ones are no longe rconsidered proper hashing methods
[15:29] <adder`> seems like this still hasn't been solved? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230959/power-management-issues-on-xubuntu-20-04
[15:29] <bodiccea> tomreyn, it means the links provided in https://xubuntu.org/download are not good mirrors.
[15:30] <tomreyn> bodiccea: i agree that the MD5SUM and SHA1SUM files should be removed off all mirrors, to prevent confusion, if that's what you're suggesting.
[15:31] <bodiccea> Whatever, I checked only 2 methods, SHA1 and MD5SUM, which wwre wrong. Did not check SHA256.
[15:32] <bodiccea> The checksums should either be updated or removed, yes.
[15:33] <tomreyn> bodiccea: i suggest bringing it up in #xubuntu-devel
[15:34] <tomreyn> i previously brought this up about a week ago, but i don'T remember where exactly or whom i talked to then.
[15:34] <tomreyn> and it may not have been xubuntu folks
[15:34] <bodiccea> You did on #xubuntu-devel ?
[15:35] <tomreyn> i do not remember
[15:36] <tomreyn> it won't hurt if you repeat it.
[15:42] <tomreyn> adder`: did you or someone else file a bug report about it, yet?
[15:42] <adder`> tomreyn, no, can you direct me to a place where i can file a bug?
[15:43] <tomreyn> on your computer, you can run: ubuntu-bug linux
[15:44] <tomreyn> it's good practice to check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux for similar reports, though
[15:45] <adder`> thanks
[15:47] <bodiccea> thanks tomreyn. The good news is that the ISO I burnt has the correct checksum :)
[15:47] <adder> m, it just sent my specs somewhere?
[15:50] <tomreyn> adder: ubuntu-bug will gather some relevant logs from your system and post them to the bug tracker
[15:51] <tomreyn> it should also open a form to post a bug report (and link it to these logs) in your web browser
[15:51] <tomreyn> where you'd need to login with your ubuntu sso login.
[15:51] <tomreyn> (or create one, if none, yet)
[15:52] <tomreyn> i don't think the logs it uploads are available to anyone other than the system administrators, probably not even the developers, until you logged in and posted the bug report
[16:30] <adder> thanks, tomreyn, didn't notice it opened the page, browser was on another workspace
[16:30] <adder> filed
[16:41] <tomreyn> adder: your mainboard firmware ("BIOS") is old, you should look for a current one.
[16:43] <adder> tomreyn, ok, let's google
[16:43] <tomreyn> https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-A320M-K/HelpDesk_BIOS/   current: Version 5602 2020/07/27   you have: Version 5207 2019/08/30
[16:46] <tomreyn> looking at your dmesg, the main problem seems to be with rtl8822b
[16:47] <adder> i downloaded new version of bios, but i don't know how to install it since it's a .cap file
[16:53] <tomreyn> adder: kind of out of scope here (try ##hardware), but this is the general approach: https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1008859/
[16:56] <tomreyn> basically: create mbr partition table on usb attached storage, create ~2 GB partition, create fat32 file system on this partition, copy the .CAT file there. then reboot , eter bios setup, use the ez-flash utility to look for the bios upgrade file (.cat) and apply it.
[17:14] <adder> tomreyn, no luck :( i updated it, and it turned off, but it took a bit longer to turn back on again, but the problem persists
[17:14] <adder> re rtl thing, isn't that like some network thingy?
[17:19] <adder> i think that's my new wifi adapter
[17:19] <adder> (the problem dates way earlier)
[17:38] <adder> so i plugged in vga instead of hdmi and it works
[18:14] <bodiccea> My system currently boots the BIOS way (GPT partitions). I will create a second bootable disk, mostly by copying the first one and changing some stuff, fstab, etc... But I would like the second one to be able to boot the UEFI way. I would like to know what are the steps (beside having the FAT EFI partition) to do this. Googling on the subject did not help a lot...
[18:25] <diogenes_> bodiccea, just switch BIOS in UEFI mode and proceed with installation.
[18:25] <bodiccea> The plan being no re-install. No reboot.
[18:26] <bodiccea> From my current system, I would like to create an UEFI bootable disk.
[18:27] <diogenes_> if it's MBR then it most likely won't work.
[18:29] <bodiccea> I can do what I want on second disk. No MBR then.
[18:30] <diogenes_> if UEFI is not on then grub won't detect an UEFI system and won't create the efi binary.
[18:32] <bodiccea> UEFI is just a partitioning type, nothing special on disk, beside that. AFAIU.
[18:32] <bodiccea> I mean an "EFI" VFAT" partition in a GPT disk.
[18:33] <bodiccea> s/VFAT/FAT/


[07:40] <flocculant> knome: I published it and changed the Get Involved link to suit the new page
[10:30] <knome> flocculant, pleia2 is not going to like changing urls :P
[10:31] <knome> flocculant, i'll fix that :P
[10:33] <knome> ok done :P
[10:35] <flocculant> I did think that - then I thought pfft :p
[10:35] <knome> hahah
[10:35] <knome> well
[10:36] <knome> if we can avoid that easily, it's wise
[10:36] <knome> besides it makes structurally sense that the page is a subpage of the get involved one
[10:36] <flocculant> also - didn't want to muck about with the original page either
[10:36] <knome> that's visible in the url as well when it's done right
[10:36] <knome> well
[10:36] <knome> just go to text mode
[10:36] <knome> and copy paste to the other text mode window
[10:37] <knome> but it's fine, no harm done :P
[10:37] <knome> i'm sure pleia2 didn't have time to look at the channel in between so avoided a heart attack too
[10:37] <flocculant> yep - didn't want to copy paste
[10:39] <flocculant> pleia2: also doesn't like deleting things - so rock and a hard place ;)
[10:39] <flocculant> all *I* wanted was suitable information available for people - which I got :p
[10:40] <knome> no but the draft page was never visible
[10:40] <knome> so deleting it done no harm publicly
[10:40] <knome> it was supposed to serve exactly as what it was - a private drafting page for the team
[10:40] <knome> probably should have mentioned that :P
[10:41] <flocculant> :)
[10:46] <knome> ok, bbl
[15:25] <bluesabre> maybe I don't understand vala... I add code and nothing changes :\
[15:27] <bluesabre> ooh something finally changed
[17:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk-theme-config/+bug/1313011 can you run gtk-theme-config, change your panel color, then add the missing css classes to your .config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css file and send it to me?
[17:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: since I'm mucking around gtk-theme-config today :)
[17:20] <flocculant> why does the desktop forget what wallpaper it's got if you change graphics driver
[17:20] <flocculant> hey bluesabre :)
[17:21] <bluesabre> flocculant: drivers choose their own monitor names, xfdesktop references desktop by monitor name
[17:21] <bluesabre> (iirc)
[17:21] <flocculant> oh - didn't know that :)
[17:21] <flocculant> though - I meant that for offtopic lol
[17:21] <bluesabre> :D
[17:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: new qa page at x.org includes the 3 ppa's/ exploratory testing, bug tags and ppa bugs now
[17:25] <flocculant> have a good day, off for a bit now
[17:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: very nice@
[17:28] <bluesabre> flocculant: good response? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1294600/comments/13
[17:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep - good response :)
[17:31] <flocculant> now - really off - cya :)
[17:31] <bluesabre> later
[17:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: oh, nvm, we already addressed that
[17:54] <bluesabre> gtk-theme-config should be ready for a new release now, will take care of that tonight
[17:54] <bluesabre> then we should try to get that update out to debian as well
[18:27] <fred_r> Hello, I would like to submit some fixes/workarounds for the Greybird theme, how can I do it ?


[11:30] <uwe> Greetings, I'm running Ubuntu 19.04 ; and I cannot find batman-adv.ko for my kernel, I can see it exists for other kernel versions, I'm a bit confused why it is not included in 5.0.0-37-generic
[11:39] <apw> uwe, looks to be enabled as -m on -37 configs
[11:40] <apw> -rw-r--r-- root/root<PHONE_NUMBER>-11-13 19:35 ./lib/modules/5.0.0-37-generic/kernel/net/batman-adv/batman-adv.ko
[11:41] <apw> uwe, and appears in the debian binary package
[11:41] <apw> in this package specifically linux-modules-extra-5.0.0-37-generic_5.0.0-37.40_amd64.deb
[11:44] <uwe> hmmm, you are right ... modprobe didn't find it, but this is probably a problem between the chair and the keyboard, but oddly enough, my kernel version is not listed here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=disco&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=batman-adv.ko
[11:45] <uwe> yes, stupid me, I just loaded it, the pacakages search was the part that caused me the confusion ... really sorry for the noise otherwise
[16:04] <zx2c4> is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2019-December/thread.html moderated?
[16:04] <zx2c4> i sent an email ther eearlier today and it hasnt showed up
[16:06] <zx2c4> apw: ^
[16:13] <apw> zx2c4, yes it is moderated ...
[16:13] <apw> (if you arn't a member)
[16:14] <apw> zx2c4, approved and added you to the whitelist too
[16:14] <zx2c4> cool, thanks


[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <crevette> hello
[07:06] <seb128> lut crevette
[07:07] <crevette> salut seb128
[08:08] <dholbach> hey mvo
[08:09] <dholbach> hi glatzor, hi siti
[08:09] <mvo> hey dholbach!
[08:12] <glatzor> mornign dholbach and mvo!
[08:12] <mvo> hey glatzor!
[08:12] <slomo_> *sigh* so hardy doesn't install recommends by default... giving quite a few bugs on banshee because it only supports ipods if a recommended package is installed
[08:12] <slomo_> didn't hardy install recommends by default in the beginning?!
[08:12] <mvo> no, never did
[08:12] <mvo> only for meta-packages
[08:13] <mvo> (recommends for ubuntu-desktop were installed for example)
[08:13] <slomo_> ok, great ;)
[08:13] <slomo_> calls for a SRU :P
[08:13] <mvo> first upload to intrepid will enable recommends
[08:13] <mvo> heh :)
[08:13] <mvo> right
[08:16] <dholbach> seb128: 5-a-day is now translateable! :)
[08:16] <seb128> dholbach: waouh!
[08:28] <siti> dholbach: hi
[10:57] <pochu> seb128_, lool, slomo_: any Python application you would like to see packaged? :)
[11:40] <xhaker> gmorning all
[12:29] <seb128_> hey xhaker
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: so, if on a dist-upgrade, a video card gets blacklisted against compiz, is that a bug or a feature?
[12:43] <Amaranth> ah, you have an ati laptop
[12:43] <Amaranth> well if you file a bug i'll dupe it to the one closed Won't Fix so...
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: so, what is my friend to do, who quite likes her effects, and doesn't want them gone?
[12:45] <Amaranth> use fglrx or SKIP_CHECKS=yes in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager
[12:53] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: where are the instructions for that for a user, not a dev?
[12:54] <Amaranth> there are none because there is a reason we blocked it
[12:54] <Amaranth> If you figure out enough to get to SKIP_CHECKS you know enough to know not to report bugs, I hope.
[13:00] <Hobbsee> so which fglrx does she need to use, and why wasn't it installed with the dist-upgrade?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ^
[13:01] <Amaranth> 1) fglrx only works with r300 and newer (so 9200 and older are out) and 2) it is just as likely to break suspend as fix compiz
[13:02] <Amaranth> Yes, this is technically a regression from 7.10 but I'd rather have people complain about losing their effects then complain about not-so-random lockups that cause dataloss
[13:02] <Amaranth> Seeing how this is an LTS and lots of people will not be upgrading when 8.10 comes out and fixes the problem
[13:06] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: was this release noted anywhere?
[13:06] <Amaranth> Probably not
[13:07] <Hobbsee> Why not?
[13:08] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: it definetly doesn't look release noted.
[13:09] <Amaranth> Because I didn't think losing special effects was worse it, I guess
[13:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  how many user questions have there been about no more effects, and how to get them back, i wonder...
[13:10] <Hobbsee> anyway, will tell the friend
[13:16] <Amaranth> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/drm/log/?h=r345-cleanup <--the work we need to get these cards enabled again
[13:17] <Amaranth> too bad that didn't happen a month ago :/
[13:42] <shashi>  I am using Ubuntu 8.04 64-bit version, if i install any 32-bit applications like browsers, datbase clients ...etc. The 32-bit based applications not able to reach /etc/resolv.conf file to communicate to the network. Any one tell me how to resolve this issue ?
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: right.  SRU'able, or?
[13:42] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Up to bryce
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: *nod*
[13:42] <Amaranth> and may not fix our issues, he was having people try out some patches before
[13:43] <Amaranth> and i think those are the patches
[13:43] <Hobbsee> shashi: see what i said to you in #ubuntu-devel
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ahhh
[15:29] <Hobbsee> bug 8896
[15:29] <Hobbsee> bah
[17:39] <Amaranth> bug 8896
[17:39] <Amaranth> :)
[17:56] <mvo> Amaranth: *cough* intrepid
[17:56] <Amaranth> eh?
[17:56] <Amaranth> Oh, you mean don't call it 8.10?
[17:57] <Amaranth> If we miss the release date I'll go back and rename it :)
[17:58] <Amaranth> hardy sounded cool, intrepid just doesn't have the same feeling
[18:13] <mvo> any anyone think of a reason why gtk.events_pending() might hang?
[19:21] <mvo> seb128: can you think of any reason why "while (gtk_events_pending()) gtk_main_iteration();" might hang? in python-gtk, but I don't think that this matters
[19:51] <seb128> mvo: no


[13:10] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:14] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: was it you that was talking about wanting a chromebook?
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> my /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hud/hud-service is pegging out my cpu at 97%. anybody have any idea what this is or what i can do about it?
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> its also using more than 1GB of RAM
[23:26] <brousch> cmaloney: Sprinting tonight? We're at Pillar
[23:28] <rick_h__> party party pyohio
[23:29] <rick_h__> you all enjoy your python fun and say hi to the regular folks for me!
[23:30] <brousch> Catherine is showing how to sprint on Python standard lib


[00:27] <holmanb> minimal: +1, makes sense
[00:29] <holmanb> loser123: like meena said, the logs will tell what happened
[18:37] <holmanb_> meena: review up for the /run symlink thingie
[18:41] <holmanb_> meena: I assume the openbsd native reading one is ready for review also?
[18:42] <meena> yes
[18:44] <holmanb_> meena: sounds good, will review
[18:52] <meena> holmanb_: responded to two questions
[18:57] <meena> I can't wait till FreeBSD gets that man page renderer
[18:57] <meena> https://man-dev.freebsd.org/test.1#L still in development
[19:21] <holmanb_> Code_Bleu: ping
[19:21] <holmanb_> Code_Bleu: I saw you got in an early review on #4654, are you good with the changes there?
[19:29] <meena> holmanb_: is ubottu down?
[19:34] <holmanb_> meena: no clue
[19:35] <holmanb_> I don't even know who runs ubottu, but ubottu has been pretty unresponsive lately
[19:36] <meena> holmanb_: anyway, don't know if i can get the style change in in time, trying to put my daughter to sleep
[19:36] <holmanb_> meena: no worries on that, it doesn't need to happen
[20:16] <meena> re @ computer
[20:22] <meena> holmanb_: fixed your complaint and also the two adjecent functions using the same pattern
[20:45] <meena> holmanb_: tests on 3.7 failing? https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/actions/runs/7172956839/job/19531252604?pr=4654
[20:45] <meena> nope, all unittests are failing
[21:11] <meena> found it
[21:13] <holmanb_> meena: just got done with an interview
[21:14] <holmanb_> yeah forgot to mention it needs a SubpResult when mocking the test
[21:14] <meena> fixed unittests
[21:14] <holmanb_> thanks, yeah slight burden on tests to to make the runtime code prety
[21:15] <holmanb_> but it's not like (many of) our unittests are pretty anyways :P
[21:15] <holmanb_> meena: nice, thanks :D
[21:20] <Code_Bleu> holmanb_: yes I'm good with #4654
[21:22] <meena> Code_Bleu: give it your official thumbs-up!
[21:25] <Code_Bleu> meena: I replied to holmanb_ comment on PR.  That work?
[21:32] <holmanb_> Code_Bleu: fyi under [Files changed] there's a green button [Review changes] that allows you to leave a "review" (comment, review, request changes)
[21:32] <holmanb_> Code_Bleu: but the comment is enough for me :)
[21:32] <holmanb_> s/review,/approve,/
[21:34] <holmanb_> Code_Bleu meena: merged
[21:36] <holmanb_> and thanks to both of you :)
[21:36] <meena> next up, fixing /run …
[21:51] <Code_Bleu> holmanb_: thanks for FYI. Will do that next time.
[21:53] <holmanb_> Code_Bleu: sure, sounds good
[21:59] <holmanb_> honestly not a requirement except for a committer to do the official review thingie for another committer to merge, but it makes the review look a tad bit nicer / more official I guess
[22:52] <meena> also: 🎇 Community Engagement! 🎇


[09:02] <armaan> jamespage: hello, could i ask your opinion on https://github.com/juju/1.25-upgrade ? Can i use this for upgrading OpenStack environments?
[09:13] <Ting_> Hi, could people use other authentication-type for juju aws instead of access-key? We are using aws federation account seems very hard to get access key...
[11:57] <rick_h> Ting_: we need to support that. There's an open bug that could use some real user pressure. Let me see if I can find it.
[11:59] <Ting_> rick_h: thx :)
[12:00] <rick_h> Ting_: on my phone ATM and not able to find it. Let me look when I get to the office.
[12:04] <Ting_> rick_h: sure, no hurry
[13:45] <tychicus> just deployed the microbot application in CDK 1.7 to get a better understanding of how the ingress controller and load balancer work.
[13:45] <tychicus> kubectl get ingress does not return an address
[13:46] <tychicus> the only values returned are NAME, HOSTS, PORTS, AGE
[13:48] <tychicus> I can validate everything is working correctly by creating a /etc/hosts entry for microbot.<IP_ADDRESS>.xip.io and using the IP address provided in the hostname,
[13:51] <SimonKLB> tychicus: did you create it using the microbot action?
[13:52] <tychicus> SimonKLB: yes juju run-action kubernetes-worker/0 microbot replicas=3
[13:52] <SimonKLB> did you check the action status and/or output?
[13:53] <SimonKLB> also, is it only the ingress that is missing or is the deployment also not there?
[13:54] <tychicus> https://gist.github.com/roll4life/2cbaad645379f3db6998d2e08f70f664
[13:55] <tychicus> here is the output of kubectl get services,endpoints and kubectl get ingress
[13:55] <SimonKLB> ah my bad, i thought you meant the ingress was never created
[13:56] <tychicus> sorry, ingress is created, but the address is not displayed
[13:56] <SimonKLB> is the kubernetes-worker exposed?
[13:57] <tychicus> yes
[13:57] <tychicus> kubernetes-worker      1.7.0    active      3  kubernetes-worker      jujucharms   40  ubuntu  exposed
[13:58] <SimonKLB> hmm, can you check the logs of the ingress-controller?
[14:12] <tychicus> SimonKLB: updated the gist with the ingress-controller log output https://gist.github.com/roll4life/2cbaad645379f3db6998d2e08f70f664
[14:12] <tvansteenburgh> tychicus: what's the output of kubectl get pods
[14:12] <tvansteenburgh> is there an ingress controller running?
[14:14] <tychicus> yes 3
[14:15] <SimonKLB> tychicus: just tried it out on my end and works fine, wierd..
[14:15] <tychicus> ok gist updated
[14:16] <SimonKLB> can you check which version of the ingress controller youre running? `kubectl get rc nginx-ingress-controller -o yaml | grep image:`
[14:16] <tychicus> image: gcr.io/google_containers/nginx-ingress-controller:0.8.3
[14:17] <SimonKLB> same here
[14:17] <SimonKLB> so it's definately that "has no active endpoints" that's the issue
[14:18] <SimonKLB> or atleast that is what looks different from mine
[14:20] <tychicus> ok thanks I'll look into that and report back what I find, thank you for your help
[14:22] <SimonKLB> tychicus: which provider are you running on btw?
[14:23] <tychicus> local openstack juju/maas deployment
[14:29] <tychicus> updated the gist with the output of kubectl get ing microbot-ingress -o yaml
[14:30] <SimonKLB> that's wierd, it looks like it's adding ips, but they are empty
[14:30] <SimonKLB> actually, looking at the log again it says "Updating loadbalancer default/microbot-ingress with IP *nothing*"
[14:31] <tychicus> right, just noticed that as well
[14:34] <SimonKLB> tychicus: can you paste your juju status output?
[14:34] <SimonKLB> if the workers doesn't have public ips that might be it
[14:35] <tychicus> updated, they do have "public addresses"
[14:36] <tychicus> they are rfc 1918 addresses, but they a "public" internally
[14:36] <SimonKLB> yea
[14:44] <SimonKLB> tychicus: check if kube-proxy is running ok on the workers
[14:45] <SimonKLB> you can run this for example: `juju run --unit kubernetes-worker/0 systemctl status snap.kube-proxy.daemon.service`
[14:46] <tychicus> ok, thanks, I was just getting ready to ask how to check the status :)
[14:49] <tychicus> they all show as running all have these errors with ID 1,5,7,9,11
[14:49] <tychicus> Unable to decode an event from the watch stream: stream error: stream ID 1; INTERNAL_ERROR
[14:51] <SimonKLB> tychicus: you can get the full log if you run `juju run --unit kubernetes-worker/0 "journalctl -u snap.kube-proxy.daemon.service"`
[14:51] <SimonKLB> or ssh into the machine
[14:51] <tychicus> gladly
[15:45] <Cynerva> tychicus: i think the behavior you're seeing with microbot is pretty typical
[15:45] <Cynerva> seems like ingress only gets an address assigned to it if you have external loadbalancer support
[15:46] <Cynerva> which AFAIK requires cloud integration
[15:46] <Cynerva> we only get that on AWS when deployed via conjure-up, i think
[15:46] <Cynerva> but, the ingress is still usable without a loadbalancer
[15:47] <tychicus> cynerva: ok, thanks
[15:51] <SimonKLB> Cynerva: wierd, because it's working fine here and im running it on LXD
[15:53] <Cynerva> huh
[15:53] <Cynerva> that is weird
[15:53] <SimonKLB> yea :D
[15:56] <Cynerva> i just had a go on AWS w/o native integration, got no address but it's working the way i'd expect
[15:58] <SimonKLB> % juju status | head -n 2
[15:58] <SimonKLB> Model                        Controller           Cloud/Region         Version       SLA
[15:58] <SimonKLB> conjure-kubernetes-core-531  localhost-localhost  localhost/localhost  2.3-alpha1.1  unsupported
[15:58] <SimonKLB> % kubectl get ing
[15:58] <SimonKLB> NAME               HOSTS                           ADDRESS            PORTS     AGE
[15:58] <SimonKLB> microbot-ingress   microbot.<IP_ADDRESS>.xip.io   <IP_ADDRESS>...   80        1h
[15:58] <SimonKLB> :o
[15:59] <tychicus> yeah, that is pretty much what I expected to see :)
[16:02] <SimonKLB> whats even more interesting is that my nodes does not have external ips:
[16:02] <SimonKLB> % kubectl get no -o wide
[16:02] <SimonKLB> NAME            STATUS    AGE       VERSION   EXTERNAL-IP   OS-IMAGE             KERNEL-VERSION
[16:02] <SimonKLB> juju-cf3e22-3   Ready     16h       v1.7.0    <none>        Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS   4.10.0-21-generic
[16:02] <SimonKLB> juju-cf3e22-4   Ready     16h       v1.7.0    <none>        Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS   4.10.0-21-generic
[16:03] <SimonKLB> Cynerva: do you know if kubernetes or the ingress-controller somehow aware of it's environment and accknowledge the internal ips as external when running inside LXD or something?
[16:04] <SimonKLB> since the ingress controller is actually adding the interal ip of the node:
[16:04] <SimonKLB> % kubectl get no juju-cf3e22-3 -o jsonpath='{.status.addresses}'
[16:04] <SimonKLB> [map[type:InternalIP address:<IP_ADDRESS>] map[type:Hostname address:juju-cf3e22-3]]%
[16:06] <Cynerva> SimonKLB: not that i'm aware of, but could be
[17:59] <bdx> rick_h: sup
[17:59] <bdx> rick_h: is there anything on the roadmap for JAAS to support team owned models?
[18:00] <rick_h> bdx: not direction at the moment. There's some precursor work going on though
[18:00] <rick_h> bdx: e.g. not in the next release of work but it's on the radar and some groundwork is landing/going on
[18:00] <bdx> nice nice
[18:00] <bdx> thats good to know
[18:01] <bdx> I'm leaving a trail of models owned by myself across the technology community :)
[18:01] <rick_h> bdx: lol
[18:02] <rick_h> bdx: it's not been pushed because you can add/remove users and such so there's some level of control.
[18:02] <rick_h> so it's longer to do since you have to add each user vs a single team
[18:02] <bdx> I see
[18:03] <kwmonroe> bdx: just share your creds with people you trust.  instant team!  we can put them in relevant irc /title bars if it makes life easier for you.
[18:03] <rick_h> bdx: and juju doesn't really have solid "group" idea on a self-operated controller so it needs some smarts
[18:03] <rick_h> hah
[18:03] <rick_h> kwmonroe: always here to save the day!
[18:03] <kwmonroe> :)
[18:07] <bdx> ^ perfect example of what not to do
[18:07] <bdx> :)


[00:46] <jgould> wow... that was a random thunderstorm...
[00:47]  * Unit193 didn't get one...
[00:47] <jgould> oh... we did
[00:48] <jgould> Also, Ubuntu just pissed me off on the laptop
[00:49] <Unit193> ...better than pissed on me...
[00:49] <skellat> So what did it do or not do?
[00:57] <skellat> Well, ping timeouts are not cool I guess...
[00:58] <Unit193> That was his server...
[00:58] <Unit193> That means router cutout
[00:59] <skellat> Well, nasty weather was on the move earlier
[01:06]  * skellat burps
[01:10]  * skrappjaw is ready for more bad weather.
[01:11] <skrappjaw> Just not when I have to tote my equipment out for a gig.
[01:14] <skellat> skrappjaw: What sort of gig?
[01:18] <skrappjaw> i play bass and sing.
[01:19] <skrappjaw> with a band. We have drums, bass, 2 guitars, horns and an organ player.
[01:19] <skrappjaw> we share vocal duties among us so no one person gets worn out.
[01:29] <skellat> Cool
[01:30] <dmcglone1> wazzup ppl ;-)
[01:30] <dmcglone1> wake up its the troll :-)
[01:32] <skrappjaw> jammin some tom waits
[01:32] <skellat> I'm awake...most others are enjoying the weather...
[01:32] <dmcglone1> we just had a pretty bad storm
[01:33] <skrappjaw> where are you dmcglonel
[01:33] <skrappjaw> ?
[01:33] <dmcglone1> it blew over pretty quick though.
[01:33] <dmcglone1> Columbus skrappjaw
[01:34] <dmcglone1> Ordered a pizza while it was storming and the guy was like, we'll be there as soon as we can thats how bad it was
[01:35] <dmcglone1> wish it would hurry  and get here, I'm so dang hungary
[01:37] <skrappjaw> ic
[01:38] <skrappjaw> ya. just checked the radar. we are in for it tonight. there is a storm that is building from indianapolis to toledo. I'm in mansfield. Just north of you.
[01:39] <skrappjaw> Good thing mom is cooking dinner @ home tonight
[01:42] <dmcglone1> I would have cooked but I'm still down with my back
[01:43] <dmcglone1> I asked my wife what was for dinner when I got home and she said, whatever you can find, so I found the phone number for the pizza place :-)
[02:00] <skellat> I wrote in teh gopherspace: http://ur1.ca/4cls5
[02:01] <canthus13> gopher?
[02:01] <skellat> Yep
[02:01] <canthus13> Heh. I remember when gopher was and the web wasn't.
[02:02] <skellat> So do I...I was in junior high at the time
[02:02]  * canthus13 was in college.
[02:03] <skellat> For a lightweight protocol, Gopher does plenty
[02:03] <canthus13> Yup. I wasted hours and hours exploring gopher...
[02:04] <canthus13> Bah. I wish I could find documentation on cairo compositor's plugins...
[02:04]  * dmcglone1 was just getting accustom to walking with a walker ;-)
[02:05] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Eh? I thought you were older than me... :/
[02:06] <canthus13> man page is useless...
[02:06] <dmcglone1> I don't think I am, I needed the walker after my wife broke my legs for sitting on the computer all the time and not cutting the grass...
[02:06]  * dmcglone1 is 39, will be 40 in October
[02:06] <canthus13> Thought so.
[02:07] <canthus13> About 3 years older.
[02:07] <dmcglone1> Ah shux, I thought I was the youngest one here ;-/
[02:08] <Unit193> canthus13: I thought you were older...
[02:08] <dmcglone1> Oh lord, I ju
[02:08] <dmcglone1> grrrr
[02:08] <dmcglone1> I just found out, I've got about 6 people on their way to visit :-/
[02:09] <canthus13> Unit193: Heh.
[02:09] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Answer the door naked. they'll leave.
[02:09] <dmcglone1> lol canthus
[02:09] <canthus13> IRC: The last bastion of sound advice...
[02:09] <Unit193> dmcglone1: It would work...
[02:09] <canthus13> Unit193: How old did you think I am?
[02:09]  * canthus13 likes to think that he doesn't act his age...
[02:09] <dmcglone1> Looks like I'm gonna be DJ'ing tonight
[02:10] <Unit193> canthus13: In the 40's (Maybe very early 50's)
[02:10] <Unit193> ...you asked...
[02:10] <dmcglone1> well canthus13 think about it, look where we are, so neither of us do ;-)
[02:10] <canthus13> Geez.
[02:10] <canthus13> dmcglone1: True....
[02:11]  * Unit193 is also bad at guessing age...
[02:11]  * canthus13 still has a good 3 years 'til the 11th anniversary of his 29th birthday.
[02:11] <dmcglone1> canthus13: we really need to grow up... LOL
[02:11] <canthus13> dmcglone1: I refuse.
[02:11] <dmcglone1> me too :-)
[02:12] <dmcglone1> I guess we are going through our midlife crisis a tad bit early... ;-)
[02:12]  * canthus13 needs to find freakin' documentation for cairo plugins.. 20 freaking plugins, no docs. :/
[02:13] <canthus13> skellat: what do *YOU* know about cairo-compmgr plugins?
[02:13] <skellat> Bupkis
[02:13] <skellat> Nada
[02:13] <skellat> Nothing
[02:14] <canthus13> nuts.  I'll still blame you for the lack of documentation. :(
[02:14] <skellat> That's okay.
[02:15] <dmcglone1> Okie dokie guys, I gotta go for a while, they want to karaoke and I have to hook my computer up to the tv :-/
[02:16] <dmcglone1> I guess I'll hang out and pester everyone some other time.. LOL
[03:24] <canthus13> Cheri703: Got pics from sully at Fort Polk... and eating a crawfish dinner. :)
[03:25] <Cheri703> ha, nice
[03:25] <Unit193> canthus13: Is the newist Dr Who TBC?
[03:27] <Unit193> I would guess it's good...
[03:36] <canthus13> Unit193: Haven't watched it yet.... Wife's doing homework and she'd kill me if I watch it without her.
[04:02] <Cheri703> canthus13: you're a smart man...
[04:02] <Cheri703> at least sometimes ;)
[04:02] <canthus13> Cheri703: thpthpthpthp.
[04:02] <Cheri703> happy wife happy life and all
[04:02] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:02] <Cheri703> my husband........has not entirely grasped this concept
[04:03] <canthus13> Reminds me... I need to copy it to the media server.
[04:03]  * Cheri703 has read 3 books in 2 days...again
[04:03] <Cheri703> except these were on the nook \o/
[04:04] <Cheri703> I contemplated starting another, but am catching up on some online-ish things atm. I am still procrastinating that video project though :/
[04:04] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:05] <Cheri703> I'm over it. I just don't want to deal with it anymore
[04:05] <Cheri703> oh, here's a question that may save me some effort in actually *looking*
[04:05] <Cheri703> do pretty much all modern dvd players play any type of burnable dvd? or are they still -r +r specific?
[04:07] <canthus13> It's pretty much hit or miss iirc.
[04:07] <Cheri703> :/
[04:07] <Cheri703> client wants these videos put on dvd so they can watch them, currently they're using their ps2 as a dvd player (non-slim), and I know *my* ps2 won't recognize burned disks at all
[04:08] <Cheri703> and they said they may be buying a dvd player at some point in the future, so...it's pretty futile to put these on dvd, eh?
[04:08] <canthus13> ...Prolly.
[04:08] <canthus13> DVD players are dirt cheap, though.
[04:10] <Cheri703> -_-
[04:10] <Cheri703> this lady is NOT technologically inclined...at all
[04:10] <canthus13> Ah. Might wanna make her a flip-book, then.
[04:10] <Cheri703> I want to just give her the files and be done with it, but...bah
[04:41] <paultag> hey Cheri703
[04:41] <paultag> Cheri703: I've been saving up and I think I'm doing the nook thing. Have you got yours?
[04:42] <paultag> also heyya canthus13 :)
[04:42] <Unit193> ...
[04:42] <paultag> Unit193! :)
[04:42] <Unit193> paultag: ;)
[04:45] <Cheri703> yep
[04:45] <Cheri703> sorry, was in the other room
[04:45] <Cheri703> it's pretty sweet
[04:45] <Cheri703> jesusfreke in #nookdevs has it booting from some other something already, he took his apart last night :)
[04:45] <Cheri703> it's not *rooted* but it's progress
[04:45] <Cheri703> paultag: ^^
[04:46] <Cheri703> I've read 3 books in under 20 hours, and that's including about 8 hours of sleep :)
[04:47] <Cheri703> probably going to start another tonight...
[04:47] <paultag> Cheri703: np :)
[04:47] <paultag> Cheri703: nice!! :)
[04:47] <paultag> let me pop over
[04:48] <Cheri703> he updated the nookdevs site with processor info about it
[04:48] <paultag> Cheri703: :)
[04:48] <paultag> Cheri703: I'll see if he says anything to that
[04:48] <Cheri703> I'm really enjoying it
[04:49] <paultag> Cheri703: any downers about it (besides the lack of 3G)
[04:49] <skellat> Cheri703: Overall good time with the device so far?
[04:49] <paultag> heyya skellat
[04:49] <Cheri703> uhm, has the crappy nook file navigation/sorting, though this one lets you browse by file, but other than that, nothing I've seen so far
[04:49] <Cheri703> it is nice having multiple ways of changing pages
[04:49] <Cheri703> tap, swipe, or hw buttons
[04:49] <paultag> mm?
[04:49] <paultag> ah, nice
[04:50] <Cheri703> o/ skellat
[04:50] <Cheri703> yeah, I am really liking it
[04:50] <paultag> Cheri703: I really want to be able to get it digesting RSS
[04:50] <paultag> if I can do that then I'm golden
[04:50] <Cheri703> I think it probably can, probably a function of calibre (which, btw, there's a nice newer version that recognizes the new nook)
[04:51] <Cheri703> you could join #calibre and/or look on their site if you have questions about getting that working with feeds
[04:51] <skellat> paultag: Use rawdog to glom the output of your feeds then convert the resultant HTML to whatever format you want
[04:51] <skellat> See, for example, http://erielookingproductions.info/Feeds.html
[04:51] <paultag> skellat: actually other way around
[04:51] <paultag> skellat: I have tons of raw data, I'm putting it into one RSS feed, then I want to digest that on a tablet
[04:52] <skellat> Hmm.
[04:52] <paultag> skellat: so I'm jacking data from all kinds of sources and digesting it into a format I want on a tablet like the nook :)
[04:52] <skellat> Yahoo! Pipes in the mix at all?
[04:52] <paultag> such as git repos, server jobs etc :)
[04:52] <paultag> skellat: nosir. Mostly home-brew
[04:53] <skellat> I'd still use rawdog to transmogrify the RSS into HTML which would be an intermediate step to converting to EPUB
[04:53] <paultag> mmhum
[04:53] <skellat> That's how Amazon's Digital Text Platform basically works as they want indy publishers to upload in HTML for them to transmogrify for Kindle usage
[04:53] <paultag> barf
[04:54] <paultag> that should be a local app
[04:54]  * skellat recognizes he is listed in the Kindle store in a few places
[04:54] <paultag> sweet :)
[04:54] <Cheri703> I just have the wifi turned off, because I am only loading stuff from the computer. also paultag, when you get it, go on the b&n site to delete the crappy sample books and such from your "account" and then refresh it
[04:54] <skellat> paultag: It definitely should be a local app.  Considering the mix of what Amazon provides, especially with EC2, that's really not a high priority for them.
[04:54] <paultag> Cheri703: oh?
[04:54] <paultag> skellat: aye
[04:55] <Cheri703> yeah, you have your "account" on the site, where you can manage books you've purchased from them, it comes preloaded with "samples" and you can't delete them locally
[04:55] <paultag> Cheri703: how's it sync with Ubuntu?
[04:55] <paultag> Cheri703: Ah, sweet. I see, cool
[04:55] <Cheri703> fine, shows up as flash storage
[04:55] <paultag> so it's managed via browser, cool
[04:55] <paultag> Cheri703: hummmm
[04:55] <Cheri703> books straight from b&n are
[04:55] <skellat> I'm curious if Banshee could plop a/v files on the Nook
[04:55] <Cheri703> the newer calibre recognizes it at connection
[04:56] <Cheri703> the new nook has no a/v capability
[04:56] <skellat> Crap
[04:56] <paultag> Cheri703: ah, what a bummer
[04:56]  * skellat puts on the private-practice evil librarian-type hat
[04:56] <Cheri703> not even audio, which the old one apparently had
[04:56] <paultag> Cheri703: crud. Now I'm wondering if a color is a better buy
[04:56] <Cheri703> I'm sure you could store the files on there, but you can't play them
[04:56] <paultag> 3G is pretty critical
[04:56] <paultag> but I don't like the idea of a backlight
[04:56] <Cheri703> color has no 3g either afaik
[04:57] <paultag> ach, really?
[04:57] <skellat> Way too many blue sky thinkers in the publishing biz have claimed that a/v content in ebooks was essential.  I'm shocked that Barnes & Noble produced effectively a tablet computer without a/v capability instead of a futuristic e-reader
[04:57] <Cheri703> yup
[04:57] <Cheri703> kindle and old nook have 3g
[04:57] <Cheri703> but kindle has no epub
[04:57] <Cheri703> which was a must for me
[04:58] <skellat> Until June 30th, 3G remains useless here in Ashtabula County
[04:58] <Cheri703> skellat: this thing is pretty straightforward E READER, nothing else
[04:58] <Cheri703> which is fine by me
[04:58] <skellat> Cheri703: How much did it cost?
[04:58] <Cheri703> $140+tax
[04:59] <skellat> Yikes
[04:59] <paultag> humm.
[04:59] <canthus13> paultag: Oh Hi.
[04:59] <paultag> skellat: that's not too bad for a full android platform
[04:59] <paultag> heyya canthus13
[04:59] <skellat> paultag: But as Cheri703 noted, it is an ereader only
[04:59] <Cheri703> well, it runs android 2.1
[05:00] <Cheri703> just e-ink screen and no audio support
[05:00] <paultag> skellat: until you hack it
[05:00] <Cheri703> so you could actually run android apps, just have to be aware of e-ink limitations
[05:00] <paultag> Cheri703: that's not a problem if I write the app for it
[05:00] <Cheri703> :)
[05:00] <skellat> paultag: For that cost I could pick up ten hardbacks for the collection here
[05:01] <paultag> skellat: yeah, but I need a book that can stay updated with info on all my F/OSS projects
[05:01] <Cheri703> I'm a pretty fast reader, so libraries are a HUGE hassle for me...I'm in there every few days returning/restocking, so I don't read...I ENJOY reading, but it's a big hassle. so this thing is going to be awesome for me :) and as soon as I can get them formatted in a happier way, I will be able to study cert manuals and such (the pdf conversion didn't go as smoothly as hoped)
[05:02] <paultag> Cheri703: can it not do PDFs OTB?
[05:02] <Cheri703> so, while one *could* purchase many physical books for the same price, *for me* this is a WAY better option
[05:02] <Cheri703> yeah, but displaying them and stuff...I'm still toying with straight pdf vs converted to epub
[05:02] <skellat> Cheri703: I know.
[05:02] <Cheri703> it depends on the file
[05:02] <Cheri703> some show up better than others
[05:03] <Unit193> A bluescreen on shutdown... Nice!
[05:03] <paultag> Cheri703: any rhyme or reason?\
[05:04] <Cheri703> just based on original format of the pdf
[05:04] <skellat> Unit193: What bluescreened?
[05:04] <Cheri703> it depends on how the creator did things paultag
[05:04] <paultag> humm
[05:04] <skellat> Cheri703 & paultag: Not all PDFs are the same.  Having them tagged makes reflowing better.  LibreOffice allows that easily on export to PDF.
[05:04] <Cheri703> yeah
[05:05] <Unit193> skellat: Some crappy OS :P
[05:05] <Cheri703> but if you're....acquiring a pdf of a book, then sometimes they are unfriendly
[05:05] <paultag> Cheri703: I wonder if I can find an android tablet
[05:05] <skellat> Unit193: At least it isn't the Yellow Screen of Death we get from Time Warner Cable when a channel feed suddenly drops out
[05:05] <paultag> under 300 bucks
[05:06] <Cheri703> nook color
[05:06] <paultag> Cheri703: IIRC that hardware is a abit old
[05:06] <Cheri703> I just didn't want backlight :)
[05:06] <Cheri703> I dunno
[05:06] <Cheri703> but it's cheap
[05:06] <paultag> true, I don't like backlight
[05:06] <paultag> Cheri703: aye
[05:06] <paultag> ugh, what a decision
[05:07] <paultag> I wonder if it has the same SD setup as the original
[05:07] <Cheri703> paultag: if you are willing to wait til they get a STABLE root/alternate rom, then I will test whatever you come up with, as long as you promise that if it gets screwed up, you'll replace it and you can have this one :)
[05:07] <Cheri703> what do you mean?
[05:08] <paultag> Cheri703: the old nooks had a SD card on the board it's self as well as the external one
[05:08] <Cheri703> no, when the guy opened it up, it's a 2gb flash chip right on the board
[05:09] <paultag> Cheri703: awesome!! What format?
[05:09] <Cheri703> http://nookdevs.com/Nook_Simple_Touch
[05:09] <Cheri703> that's as much as he said last night (basically)
[05:10] <paultag> Cheri703: ah bummer it's melted in
[05:10] <Cheri703> yeah, sorry, that was what I meant
[05:10] <paultag> humm
[05:10] <paultag> I wonder if he has a photo
[05:10] <Cheri703> ask him, he replied in #nookdevs, that's the guy :)
[05:10] <paultag> if it's a sane format a breakout board will be easy to wire up
[05:10] <paultag> Cheri703: ty :)
[05:11] <Cheri703> yup :)
[05:17] <skellat> I'm shuffling off to bed.  Goodnight y'all.  To get any audio in to the podcast, I need it before 6 PM or so Sunday.  All you have to do is call<PHONE_NUMBER> and Google Voice handles the rest.  The machine-generated transcripts are usually hilarious by themselves.   Aren't you up waaaaaaaay past your bedtime?
[05:33] <dmcglone1> LOL canthus13 everyone just left my house
[05:33] <Unit193> canthus13: I thought it was 11 too...
[05:33] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Did you moon them?
[05:33] <canthus13> dmcglone1: I thought you turned into a pumpkin or passed out where you stood or something.
[05:33] <dmcglone1> I usually get in bed and watch tv till about 1 or 2 am
[05:33] <dmcglone1> LOL
[05:34] <dmcglone1> I usually come in here a while before I hit the hay, and even though tonight is a later night, I don't break my routine.. LOL
[05:35] <dmcglone1> everyone came over unexpectedly
[05:35] <Unit193> Where is jgould anyway? He's part of the late night crew...
[05:36] <dmcglone1> while they were singing karaoke, I thought about sneaking in the computer room and hanging out, but I didn't want to be rude :-/
[05:36]  * Unit193 would have do it...
[05:37] <dmcglone1> well I'm wide awake thats for sure
[05:38] <dmcglone1> It's more exciting hanging in here talking to myself than listening them howl on a microphone...  I eat breakfast before I go to bed so I don't have to do it in the morning.
[05:52] <Unit193> But then you don't get to eat in the morning...
[05:54] <dmcglone1> I hate eating in the morning
[05:54] <dmcglone1> too tired, too lazy and it makes me sick
[05:55] <Unit193> But there is no food...
[05:55] <dmcglone1> I don't know why, but i've always ate cereal before bed
[05:55] <dmcglone1> I guess you could say it's my midnight snack
[05:56] <Unit193> I eat at night too, but I also eat in the morning...
[05:56] <dmcglone1> I have never in as long as I can remember eating in the morning
[05:59] <canthus13> Wow... I'm listening to the entire Nirvana Nevermind album for the first time in probably 15 years.
[06:00] <dmcglone1> cool, I haven't heard them in ages either
[06:01] <dmcglone1> canthus13: like slipknot?
[06:03] <dmcglone1> Dang that got me thinking of all that old school music
[06:03] <dmcglone1> Suicidal Tendencies "you can't bring me down"
[06:04] <canthus13> dmcglone1: slipknot? nah.. ST rocked, tough. :)
[06:05] <dmcglone1> yeah ST. remember "SOD" stormtroopers of death? or "MOD" Method of destruction?
[06:06] <canthus13> MOD yes.  No kids. :)
[06:17] <dmcglone1> LOL
[06:18] <Unit193> Why the heck they don't have plowshare in the repos (Even GetDeb) I will never know...
[06:18] <dmcglone1> who knows when I'll decide to hit the hay tonight, but I'm sensing it'll be soon.
[06:18] <dmcglone1> what is plowshare?
[06:19] <Unit193> Cheri703 is gone, jgould is MIA and canthus13 is down for the night
[06:19] <Cheri703> hmm?
[06:19] <Unit193> http://code.google.com/p/plowshare/
[06:19] <Unit193> Cheri703 isn't gone...
[06:19]  * Cheri703 is reading
[06:19] <Cheri703> y'know, books n stuff
[06:20] <Cheri703> \o/ for nook!
[06:20] <Unit193> She has DND on...
[06:20] <Unit193> How much llike a book is it?
[06:20] <Cheri703> dnd?
[06:20] <Cheri703> reading quality: very much, convenience? way better
[06:21] <Unit193> Do Not Disturb
[06:21] <dmcglone1> I hardly ever read because when I do, I can't set it down and it takes my whole day and night
[06:21] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: I've started on book 4 since yesterday around 10pm...
[06:21] <Cheri703> Unit193: I have no knowledge of having that on..maybe because I was idle?
[06:21] <dmcglone1> it's hard to set em down once you get going isn't it
[06:22] <Cheri703> yup
[06:22] <Unit193> Cheri703: I was just saying that you did, nothing was telling me that
[06:22] <dmcglone1> John Grisham is my favorite author
[06:22] <Cheri703> ah
[06:23] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Did you have a look?
[06:23] <Cheri703> ping me if you need me :)
[06:27] <dmcglone1> the file sharing with from the command line?
[06:27] <dmcglone1> yeah
[06:27] <dmcglone1> with all the recent lawsuits and stuff, I'm afraid to use file sharing
[06:29] <Unit193> It downloads from things like megaupload, rapidshare, 4shared, mediafire (That doesn't have to be illegal)
[06:30] <dmcglone1> Limewire did the same thing and they just recently got shut down
[06:33] <Unit193> Those are hosting sites, LimeWire was a P2P client...
[06:34] <dmcglone1> Ah yes, very true
[06:36] <Unit193> ...and it didn't run on linux (FrostWire does)
[06:37] <Unit193> :D
[06:38] <dmcglone1> I used Limewire on linux exclusivly
[06:38] <dmcglone1> It was in the repos actually
[06:40] <dmcglone1> Ok I've got to lay down. Back is aching
[06:41] <dmcglone1> So I'm out for the night
[06:41] <dmcglone1> G'night all
[06:45] <Unit193> I didn' think it was... Ah well!
[13:02] <dmcglone> http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/06/03/sony.pictures.hacked.mashable/index.html
[17:20] <paultag> Cheri703: I got a Nook STR
[17:21] <Cheri703> \o/
[17:21] <paultag> Cheri703: if you want to make friends, I'm my IRC name @gmail
[17:21] <Cheri703> what do you think of it?
[17:21] <Cheri703> ok, I'm the same :)
[17:21] <Cheri703> I don't have the social stuff turned on at the moment, but next time I turn on wifi I will :)
[17:21] <Cheri703> get the newest version of calibre, from the site
[17:22] <Cheri703> use the binary thinger
[17:36] <paultag> Cheri703: it's pretty cool
[17:36] <paultag> Cheri703: I dig
[17:50] <canthus13> Unit193: Bah. If I'm gonna spin my own openbox/Ubuntu ISO, I've gotta go back and figure out what I installed manually. :(
[17:55] <Cheri703> finished my book, now have to clean living room...real live client coming over later!
[17:57] <Unit193> canthus13: Sweet! That's the hard part (I would still have the tars in random spots)
[17:59]  * canthus13 really needs to set up a test system to do this. :/
[18:03] <Unit193> canthus13: I would really try that remix (If not on hardware, a VM)
[18:06] <canthus13> :D
[18:31] <Unit193> canthus13: How much RAM is it using on startup?
[18:32] <canthus13> ~6% of 4GB.
[19:12] <paultag> Cheri703: what's the name of the local app for the nook? I want to purge out those default books :)
[19:12] <Cheri703> oh, you have to do that from the website: nook.com and log in using the stuff you put in when you registered
[19:12] <paultag> Cheri703: thanks :0
[19:12] <paultag> sorry, :) *
[19:12] <Cheri703> and calibre is the computer app to load stuff
[19:13] <Cheri703> but the version in the repos is older
[19:13] <Cheri703> so get it from their site, and it will recognize it
[19:13] <paultag> Cheri703: thanks :)
[19:13] <Cheri703> yep
[19:14] <paultag> Cheri703: I'll file a bug with Debian letting them know it's out of date and try and sync it
[19:14] <Cheri703> well, I'm on 10.10
[19:14] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah, but we pull from Debian
[19:14] <Cheri703> kk
[19:14] <Cheri703> the newest version does run on 10.10 fine, just...not in the repo :/
[19:15]  * Unit193 adds getdeb because Ubuntu updates too slow
[19:15] <paultag> booo
[19:15] <paultag> unsupported third partyyy
[19:15] <Unit193> boooo! Programs last updated 3 years ago or not in the repo at all!
[19:16] <paultag> Cheri703: what's your version?
[19:16] <paultag> Unit193: then file a bug and someone will include it
[19:16] <paultag> Unit193: or update it
[19:16] <paultag> Unit193: it's really really not that hard
[19:16] <Unit193> paultag: Packaging isn't easy...
[19:16] <paultag> Cheri703: I see 0.8.2+dfsg-1
[19:16] <paultag> Unit193: it is, I do it.
[19:17] <Cheri703> the version I got from the site is 0.8.4, version in the repo is 0.7.18
[19:17] <paultag> Cheri703: 11.04 will have the new copy already :)
[19:17] <Cheri703> on 10.10
[19:17] <Cheri703> yeah, probably
[19:17] <paultag> Cheri703: you can dget the deb if you'd like
[19:17] <Cheri703> there were dependency things
[19:17] <paultag> i'm doing that :)
[19:17] <Cheri703> I tried that
[19:17] <Cheri703> a bunch of python dependencies
[19:17] <paultag> Cheri703: I'll backport it to my PPA
[19:18] <Cheri703> and some of them said they'd break things if I updated them
[19:18] <paultag> hehe
[19:18] <Cheri703> I tried using a different ppa and it didn't even show up in synaptic or anything, it was supposed to be 0.8.2
[19:18] <Cheri703> for maveric
[19:18] <Cheri703> k
[19:18] <paultag> Cheri703: I'm backporting to natty. I'll see about maverick while I'm at it
[19:19] <Cheri703> this was where I tried to get it: https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/calibre/+packages
[19:19] <Cheri703> I just did the binary install from the calibre site and it works fine
[19:22] <paultag> yeah I guess build-deps are iffy
[19:22] <Cheri703> yeah :/
[19:30] <paultag> Cheri703: it's not showing my bousers manual on it
[19:30] <paultag> sed s/bo//g
[19:30] <Cheri703> your what user manual?
[19:30] <paultag> Cheri703: the one that comes on there
[19:30] <paultag> Cheri703: I don't want it :)
[19:30] <Cheri703> I got bo {symbol box} {symbol box} users manual
[19:30] <Cheri703> oh, yeah, I don't know how to get rid of those :/
[19:31] <paultag> dang
[19:39] <paultag> 'bout to load up some PDFs and test
[22:58] <jgould> So,  i'm bored and am thinking about trying Debian...
[23:00] <skellat> Why?
[23:01] <jgould> because I'm bored
[23:06] <canthus13> jgould: that'll likely give you more headaches than ubuntu as far as sane defaults go.
[23:07] <jgould> It won't boot on the Mini without some tweaking...
[23:22] <canthus13> If you're looking for something to fight with, it should suit your purposes. :)
[23:22] <skrappjaw> Debian is different
[23:24] <skrappjaw> i should say it is different in a sense if you started with ubuntu. Kindof a pain in the butt at first for me.
[23:25] <skrappjaw> Nautilus doesnt like to run as root for me on debian6.
[23:26] <skrappjaw> I guess as I get better hardware and more experience i'll be ok with it.
[23:27] <canthus13> Watch out... 'root' is a dirty word around ubuntu folks.
[23:28]  * skrappjaw isnt politically correct.
[23:28] <skrappjaw> :P
[23:28] <skrappjaw> been thinking about enabling root usr in my ubuntu
[23:32]  * jgould looks into a custom ROM or rooting his new phone already...
[23:33] <canthus13> jgould: geek.
[23:34] <canthus13> jgould: yer a bit slow, though... I'd have rooted it in the first 10 minutes. :)
[23:38] <jgould> I have to figure out how to root this phone, and I want a copy of the stock ROM before I load a custom...
[23:43] <canthus13> jgould: If I'm going to screw with stuff like that, I get the protection plan.   Just the Android code.
[23:53] <canthus13> and the Android code is publicly available.
[23:54] <jgould> So how the hell do people get the Roms that they install (or the stock roms from thier devices?)


[08:26] <diplo> Morning all
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:46] <imexil> I just got the message on the feedback channel on telegram. Problem is that http://ubuntupodcast.org/telegram/ does not work when you only use web.telegram.org Any other way to join that channel?
[08:58] <diplo> Telegram Desktop ?
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Bartender Appreciation Day! 🍺 🍻
[09:36] <diplo> Anyone used Sucuri.net before in their workplace or for customers?
[09:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: nice friday song for the bartenders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCkmIyC6v00
[10:11] <dogmatic69_> Anyone able to help with some strange networking issue. I am connected to work VPN and need to access some specific IP in the browser but it wont work. I can wget it though
[10:11] <dogmatic69_> and I 100% have the proxy configured in both
[10:11] <dogmatic69_> also traceroute does not show anything, just a load of lines of stars
[10:27] <dogmatic69_> :(
[10:30] <foobarry> ip route command
[10:30] <foobarry> check your routes
[10:31] <foobarry> some vpns publish certain routes that you can access, rather than all all -> VPN
[10:43] <davmor2> dogmatic69_: check if compression is enabled on the vpn and if it is make sure it is enabled on you machine too it is a simple checkbox to over look
[10:52] <BigRedS> dogmatic69_: you're using both a VPN and a proxy? Is the IP that you can't connect the proxy?
[10:56] <foobarry> got a supposedly dimmable LED bulb and it flickers like a strobe
[10:56] <foobarry> previous one didn't do that!
[11:05] <dogmatic69_> BigRedS: I just figured it out. had different "no_proxy" settings for cli and ui :/
[11:06] <dogmatic69_> foobarry: sounds like your dimmable is using PWM, slowly
[11:07] <foobarry> pwm?
[11:08] <dogmatic69_> pulse width modulation, instead of lowering the power amount you simply turn it on and off at different intervals to get the same effect
[11:09] <dogmatic69_> eg if its only on 1/2 the time it would be 1/2 as bright, but if the pulses are too long it will look like its flashing
[11:09] <dogmatic69_> too long, being slower than what your eye can detect
[11:10] <foobarry> this is massive strobing
[11:11] <foobarry> https://goo.gl/photos/WhNR9H5vjMH26wto9
[11:11] <foobarry> much worse even that can be recorded on that clip.
[11:12] <foobarry> not a bit of flicker, but actual strobing
[11:12] <dogmatic69_> yep, it could be a dead capacitor
[11:12] <foobarry> got 2 of them brand new. both the same
[11:12] <foobarry> its on a dimmer switch. i bet its fine on a regaulr switch
[11:12] <dogmatic69_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation#Voltage_regulation
[11:12] <dogmatic69_> oh, you need special ones for a dimmer
[11:12] <foobarry> these are suppsed to be!
[11:13] <dogmatic69_> ::O
[11:13] <foobarry> ah, balls maybe i got the wrong one
[11:13] <dogmatic69_> :)
[11:14] <foobarry>  Beam Angle: 140°, Warm Up Time: Instant, Dimmable: No, 5 Year Warranty
[11:14] <foobarry> argggh
[11:14] <dogmatic69_> that will do it
[11:14] <foobarry> i was looking at a whole page of dimmable and managed to make a mistake
[11:19] <dwatkins> could be worse - you could have ordered the wrong 8 TB external disk array (Thunderbolt instead of USB)
[11:19] <foobarry> oh
[11:21] <foobarry> also..
[11:21] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/a/6pQ6b
[11:21] <foobarry> amazon claimed it was with sam at number 51, ten doors down
[11:27] <dwatkins> yeah, we get that a lot as we have a porch
[11:28] <foobarry> it's not even tucked away
[11:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> gdgdgdg
[11:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dss
[11:37] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: seriously get the cat off your keyboard
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that was me :D, no cat here
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> got dogs though
[12:01] <dogmatic69_> foobarry: took me a while to spot that, hidden behind the pot :/
[12:02] <foobarry> particularly as we have bushes and nooks and crannies
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> but thankfully no crevices... :-P
[12:42] <diddledan> anyone on talktalk broadband? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38167453
[13:15] <DJones> diddledan: Thankfully not, must admit I wouldn't touch talktalk with a 10 foot bargepole
[13:15] <diddledan> me either
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> what about an eu approved 4m one? :-)
[13:16] <DJones> I don;t think I've ever heard anybody say something good about talktalk
[13:17] <DJones> I'm with Sky, they get a lot of complaints, but the service I've had has always been good
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland i use tesco mobile and it's considered bottom of the barrel but actually provides one of the best services
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> it's only the tesco name that gets it a bad name as far as i can see
[13:38] <dwatkins> I'm with Three in the UK, the coversage is significantly better than Vodafone when I'm on the train around Glasgow and Edinburgh. Can't even stay on a call with Vodafone sometimes.
[14:07] <awilkins> My mum has TalkTalk as her ISP
[14:07] <awilkins> It's pants.
[14:07] <foobarry> i have TT
[14:07] <foobarry> i have that router
[14:07] <awilkins> Their router is a Huwaei piece-of-poop
[14:07] <foobarry> maybe*
[14:07] <diddledan> :-(
[14:08] <foobarry> D-Link DSL-3780
[14:08] <awilkins> Huwaei HG533
[14:08] <awilkins> I presume by default that it runs all kinds of  Evilware
[14:08] <foobarry> i've had dodgy internet this week
[14:08] <foobarry> kept losing wifi
[14:09]  * awilkins is on Virginmedia with the "Superhub" firmly in "Stupid mode" and a separate Asus router inside
[14:10] <diddledan> awilkins: I used to do that when I was with virgin - it's annoying that the first thing they do if you phone them for support about broken net is "your router is in modem mode. I fixed that for you."
[14:10] <foobarry> i had their huawei picture frame one for a while
[14:10]  * zmoylan-pi laughs at these configurations and crosses fingers that my landlords wifi ap stays up over crimbo so my ap that extends it will keep working
[14:12]  * zmoylan-pi makes note to make sure i have credit for my tescomobile mifi just in case...
[14:12] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: if you were in the UK your landlord would now have to record every site you visit :-p
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> well... i would be the one handling the log so i'm ok with that :-P
[14:13] <diddledan> lol
[14:13] <diddledan> you get freebie wifi because you're the admin?
[14:13] <diddledan> "sure I can install your internet... *backdoors it*"
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> i think theirs a politican nearby so i can use theirs for all the nasty stuff... 8bit cat videos and the like :-P
[14:14] <diddledan> erhmagherd, you watch nyancat you pervert?!
[14:14] <awilkins> My Asus is running the updated stock firmware
[14:15] <awilkins> I had OpenWRT on it for ages, but it uses some filthy Broadcom trick to NAT packets quickly and OpenWRT doesn't have the kernel support for it
[14:15]  * brobostigon could have abit of fun with https://www.usbkill.com/usb-killer/8-usb-killer.html :)
[14:15] <awilkins> But the stock firmware is surprisingly good, even has SSH
[14:16] <diddledan> yeah some cheaper routers use a binary blob to access hardware-level nat
[14:16] <awilkins> Before that I had a Buffalo for aaaaages but it literally wasn't fast enough to keep up with my connection when VM upgraded it
[14:17] <awilkins> Same for the stock firmware, changed to it when they went to 150Mbit/s and OpenWRT was petering out around 80Mbit/s
[14:17] <diddledan> I remember running a netgear prosafe router ages ago that was crippled to not be able to go faster than 11Mbit
[14:17] <awilkins> The wifi is a lot faster and more reliable too. Sad really. I do prefer open where possible.
[14:18] <diddledan> t'was this jobbie: https://www.netgear.com/support/product/FVS124G.aspx?cid=wmt_netgear_organic
[14:18] <diddledan> I figured if it has dual wan ports then it surely can go fast
[14:18] <diddledan> but nope, 11Mbit/s even when using both WANs simultaneously
[14:19] <awilkins> Yuk
[14:19] <awilkins> You think with a name like "Firewall 25" it would do at least 25Mbit/s aggregate
[14:45] <foobarry> i don't get ads with teh spotify web player. is that adblock doing that?
[14:56] <foobarry> some other ppl on the web saying the same thing, but its not the adblocker doing it
[15:37] <diddledan> wat: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38185846
[15:39] <foobarry> yeah
[17:20] <diddledan> https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo
[17:29] <DJones> diddledan: Retire at the top when you know you;ll never do it again :)
[21:02] <diddledan> infinite loop: http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2016/11/30/Google-Home-and-Amazon-Echo-have-conversation-in-infinite-loop/2521480532013/
[21:03] <daftykins> XD
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> set their ring tone and you could trigger it when they leave their phone down at home... :-)
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> i really must make one with 'ok google, search for my little pony' and start installing it on peoples phone


[01:31] <cjwatson> arraybolt3: best file a bug and mention the OOPS ID - none of us are likely to be looking at page timeouts until the new year, and mentioning the OOPS ID in a bug report will stop the OOPS from expiring
[03:09] <arraybolt3> +1
[03:17] <Kangarooo> Hello! I wanted to know how to change email where will bugs go? I added<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and i also have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>one i want people to see to contact, other for bugs. where i can make it sure? alo made
[03:17] <Kangarooo> for wiki ubuntu but that i dont have to put in launchpad then, no? And for email launchpad and list supscriptions i added +subsciprtions  https://launchpad.net/~kangarooo


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[23:29] <belkinsa> slickymaster, ping.
[23:30] <slickymaster> belkinsa: pong
[23:33] <belkinsa> I started to work on the task that you gave a few days about adding CategoryDocumentation tag to our team pages.  Do you know how to do this?
[23:38] <slickymaster> sorry belkinsa, just finishing something
[23:38] <slickymaster> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
[23:38] <jenni> [ Tag - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1c3M4fm
[23:38] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[23:38] <belkinsa> And I will also build the header menu item.
[23:39] <slickymaster> basicalÃly all you have to do is to add CategoryDocumentation at the bottom of the page
[23:39] <belkinsa> Gotcha
[23:54] <belkinsa> slickymaster, you are wrong on the link.  It's really this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryAddCategory
[23:54] <jenni> [ CategoryAddCategory - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1c3OPx2


[19:34] <AmonX> So did anyone using this service get an email notification that this service is shutting down?