[03:15] <EpikVision> is anyone available?
[03:19]  * hyperair is semi-available
[03:19] <hyperair> oh he disapeared.
[03:39] <psusi> I'm married and have a kid... definitely not available.
[03:40] <EpikVision> ok
[07:40] <bobweaver> Hello there I am haveig trouble when building it is my control file it is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/981264/  just wondering what I am doing wrong thanks for your time. Oh and the email address are in the control file I just took out for the paste. error is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/981275/
[07:41] <bobweaver> thanks again
[07:43] <geser> bobweaver: add a 2nd whitespace at the start of lines 2-7
[07:43] <bobweaver> thanks
[07:44] <bobweaver> I always get that mixed up if it is one or two spaces
[07:44] <bobweaver> thanks again
[07:48] <_ruben> that file could use some spellchecking and whitespace fixing :)
[07:59] <bobweaver> I am on it thanks _ruben
[09:04] <nigelb> Can someone grant nomination on this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sphinx/+bug/997891
[09:05] <nigelb> geser: you around? :)
[09:11] <geser> nigelb: sort of, why?
[09:11] <nigelb> geser: I was wondering if you had the magical powers to ack the nomination on that bug.
[09:11] <geser> should have as a MOTU
[09:14] <nigelb> geser: Can you? :)
[09:14] <geser> nigelb: sorry, I can't. It's either because it's in main or some other team membership is needed
[09:14] <nigelb> AH.
[09:15] <nigelb> I wonder if it needs release team.
[09:17] <elky> https://launchpad.net/sphinx/trunk suggests it wants stub
[10:12] <iulian> nigelb, elky: Done.
[10:13] <elky> iulian, woot thanks
[13:15] <CareBear\> hm
[15:56] <highvoltage> hmm, where's the motu crowd, I'd thought you'd be in tha archive-reorg room by now :)
[15:58] <highvoltage> (ah here you are)
[15:59] <broder> i got really good at timing how long the drive would take
[15:59] <broder> been inching my alarm later and later all week
[15:59]  * ajmitch made it in time...
[16:00] <ajmitch> starting to feel the effects of too many sleepless nights though :)
[16:24]  * ScottK thinks being at a local UDS would be rough.
[16:24] <broder> not getting a room at the hotel was a mistake, i think :)
[16:25] <ajmitch> broder: at least you get to sleep in your own bed
[16:25] <broder> yes, although i don't get to sleep in it for nearly long enough
[16:44] <EpikVision> can someone help me in the package guide?
[16:51] <broder> Laney: ping (one sec...)
[16:52] <broder> if you're testing manual backporting, let me give you my patch to include an lp closer
[16:52] <broder> (even though it will be ingored by lp, i feel moderately strongly hat we should have it there to capture history)
[16:52] <Laney> push it to udt?
[16:53] <Laney> also it looks like it doesn't pass -v
[16:54] <broder> will land momentarily
[16:54] <broder> i think that's mostly deliberate - we don't want to, e.g., close sru tasks
[16:54] <Laney> would it?
[16:54] <broder> well, if there was a closer in the history between current archive version and backported version
[16:55] <broder> and an sru task on that bug
[16:56] <vibhav> EpikVision: What do you want help with?
[16:56] <tumbleweed> EpikVision: no need to ask to ask. Please just ask your question
[16:56] <EpikVision> hahah
[16:56] <EpikVision> ok
[16:56] <broder> Laney: pushed
[16:56] <EpikVision> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[16:57] <EpikVision> I'm going through "Work on a fix"
[16:57] <broder> Laney: hmm. actually, the real reason to include the lp closer is for the sake of AA review
[16:57] <EpikVision> vibhav: I've done all the steps to this point
[16:57] <vibhav> EpikVision: What are you working on?
[16:57] <EpikVision> Fixing a bug.
[16:58] <EpikVision> from the packaging guide
[16:58] <vibhav> I mean, which package
[16:59] <EpikVision> tomboy
[16:59] <vibhav> EpikVision: Whcih bug?
[17:01] <EpikVision> vibhav: I don't think the guide goes through any bug.
[17:01] <EpikVision> but i was just following the steps, up to the section "Work on a fix"
[17:01] <EpikVision> I don't get why $ patch -p1 < ../bugfix.patch
[17:01] <EpikVision> is giving me an error.
[17:02] <vibhav> EpikVision: You need to fing a bug to work on
[17:02] <EpikVision> alright then.
[17:02] <EpikVision> vibhav: I'm totally new to the scene.
[17:02] <EpikVision> and the package guide is confusing me.
[17:02] <vibhav> IF no bug, no fix = NO changes in source
[17:02] <EpikVision> alright
[17:02] <vibhav> EpikVision: Which part?
[17:04] <EpikVision> vibhav: "Work on a fix"
[17:06] <EpikVision> up to the code ($ edit-patch 99-new-patch), everything went fine
[17:06] <EpikVision> but I can't get past $ patch -p1 < ../bugfix.patch
[17:07] <EpikVision> vibhav: when I put that command, I keep getting
[17:07] <EpikVision> bash: ../bugfix.patch: No such file or directory
[17:08] <EpikVision> I cd-ed to tomboy/tomboy.dev
[17:09] <vibhav> EpikVision: bugfix.patch needs to be the name of the patch
[17:09] <vibhav> you made to fix the bug
[17:09] <EpikVision> ok
[17:10] <EpikVision> so how do I work on the fix, if it were necessary?
[17:10] <EpikVision> for this tutorial specifically?
[17:10]  * EpikVision scratches his head
[17:12] <tumbleweed> EpikVision: what are you fixing in tomboy?
[17:12] <EpikVision> vibhav: as mentioned earlier, I was just following the package guide
[17:13] <EpikVision> ohh
[17:13] <EpikVision> hold on.
[17:14] <EpikVision> tumbleweed:  I was just following the package guide
[17:15] <tumbleweed> EpikVision: right, but that's the point where you need to fix something
[17:15] <EpikVision> tumbleweed: really?
[17:15] <tumbleweed> I mean, edit some source code
[17:15] <tumbleweed> well, sure, that's the point of that guide, right? :)
[17:15] <EpikVision> ok, do you any bitesized bug for tomboy that I should try?
[17:15] <tumbleweed> you can find a bunch on harvest.ubuntu.com
[17:17] <EpikVision> tumbleweed: i'm at harvest, but I'm having trouble filtering the list to tomboy.
[17:17] <tumbleweed> EpikVision: http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/package/tomboy/
[17:18] <EpikVision> alright.
[17:18] <EpikVision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/386893
[17:18] <EpikVision> wait a min
[17:18] <EpikVision> nvm this one.
[17:19] <EpikVision> tumbleweed: is it courtesy to tackle a bug with no current assignee?
[17:21] <tumbleweed> that person has been assigned for over a year
[17:21] <EpikVision> whoa
[17:21] <tumbleweed> let's assume that they aren't going to do it
[17:21] <EpikVision> hahaha
[17:22] <EpikVision> ok
[17:23] <EpikVision> tumbleweed: so now that I'm at "Work on a fix" at this point
[17:23] <EpikVision> how can I delve into the source code?
[17:24] <EpikVision> I found the problem, figured out that the package could be looked through, and I branched the source package.
[17:24] <EpikVision> now how can I start with a fix?
[17:25] <tumbleweed> EpikVision: there's a patch in the linked gnome bug that you should try
[17:26] <tumbleweed> note that the patch author mentions it wasn't perfect yet
[17:27] <EpikVision> should, I should replace gnome-bug with myself?
[17:27] <tumbleweed> what is 'gnome-bug'
[17:28] <EpikVision> the assignee
[17:28] <EpikVision> were you referring to the linked page I sent you earlier?
[17:28] <tumbleweed> no. that's a linked bug. click on it
[17:28] <EpikVision> ohhh
[17:29] <EpikVision> ok, i clicked it.
[17:30] <EpikVision> what should I do?
[17:30]  * EpikVision feels slightly bewildered.
[17:32] <tumbleweed> download the most recent patch and see if it applies?
[17:33] <EpikVision> ok, according to the package guide, what step am I at?
[17:34] <EpikVision> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[17:34] <tumbleweed> you are going to use patch patch, not edit patch
[17:34] <EpikVision> alright.
[17:34] <tumbleweed> err patch, not edit-patch
[17:35] <EpikVision> it gives me (err: command not found.)
[17:36] <tumbleweed> then install it :)
[17:37] <EpikVision> so, I should patch patch tomboy?
[17:37] <EpikVision> I cded to /tomboy/tomboy.dev
[17:37] <tumbleweed> "patch patch" was a typo of mine
[17:38] <EpikVision> what is the syntax i need to patch tomboy?
[17:38] <EpikVision> I'm guessing (err patch <insert app name>)
[17:39] <tumbleweed> no, the packaging guide shows you the right syntax
[17:39] <tumbleweed> where ../bugfix.patch is the name of the patch
[17:39] <jtaylor> quilt import <patch> should also work
[17:40] <tumbleweed> sorry, yes that,s the best approach
[17:40] <jtaylor> then: quilt push
[17:40] <Laney> from within a quilt shell (which I assume edit-patch uses)?
[17:40] <EpikVision> I wrote (quilt import ../bugfix.patch)
[17:41] <EpikVision> but it gives me (Patch ../bugfix.patch does not exist.)
[17:41] <EpikVision> :(
[17:43]  * micahg is curious what manual backport testing is
[17:44] <EpikVision> ../bugfix.patch doesn't exist in my folder...
[17:44] <jtaylor> you need to download it from the bug first
[17:44] <Resistance> and secondly:
[17:45] <Resistance> <tumbleweed> [05/11/12 12:39:22] where ../bugfix.patch is the name of the patch
[17:45] <Resistance> it might not be *named* bugname.patch
[17:45] <Resistance> so you'll need to know (1) where you downloaded the patch to, and (2) what that patch's name is
[17:45] <Laney> micahg: it means us uploading it instead of archive admins using the script
[17:45] <Resistance> EpikVision:  after you download it from the bug
[17:46] <EpikVision> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588730
[17:47] <EpikVision> Resistance: I'm trying to tackle this bug, but I can't work on a fix.
[17:47] <EpikVision> How do I download it from here?
[17:47]  * Resistance looks
[17:48] <jtaylor> is it a good idea to add a patch that is not upstream?
[17:48]  * Resistance seems to be missing backlogs
[17:48]  * EpikVision is a new at this.
[17:48] <Resistance> what's the package the bug is in?
[17:48] <jtaylor> tomboy
[17:49] <EpikVision> yup. I got the source code from a branch.
[17:49]  * Resistance reads the bug, and reads the equivalent LP bug
[17:49] <EpikVision> I'm following the outline provided by the Package guide
[17:49] <EpikVision> If I succeed, this would be the first bug I ever fixed.
[17:51] <Resistance> EpikVision:  did you check the upstream bug to confirm that the patch(es) that fix LP Bug 386893 (linked to the upstream bug) are *committed* upstream, and not just proposed?
[17:51] <Resistance> upstream, there's two bugs on there
[17:51] <jtaylor> unfortunatly I don't think this particular bug should be fixed in ubuntu
[17:51] <Resistance> s/bugs/patches/
[17:52] <Resistance> jtaylor:  i'm in agreement, it needs to be fixed upstream
[17:52]  * Resistance is on BugSquad, and is giving his opinion on this one
[17:52] <Resistance> perhaps the fix(es) will show up in Quantal at some point?
[17:53] <Resistance> after fixed upstream
[17:53] <EpikVision> ok then.
[17:53] <EpikVision> Resistance: what do you mean by "checking">
[17:54] <Resistance> EpikVision:  i.e. go to the upstream bug, check both of the submitted patches and figure out which one is needed to fix the issue listed on that bug
[17:54] <Resistance> there's two patches submitted to that upstream bug
[17:54] <Resistance> one which was committed already and the other which is proposed
[17:54] <EpikVision> oh ok
[17:55] <Resistance> having said this, i believe it needs upstream fixing.
[17:55] <Resistance> jtaylor:  any objection to me voicing my opinion on that on this bug?
[17:55] <Resistance> (the LP bug)
[17:56] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[17:56] <EpikVision> Resistance: what's the link to go to the upstream bug?
[17:57] <Resistance> its linked to the LP bug.
[17:57] <Resistance> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588730
[17:58] <EpikVision> should I choose a committed one or a proposed one?
[17:58] <Resistance> <jtaylor> unfortunatly I don't think this particular bug should be fixed in ubuntu
[17:58] <Resistance> rather it needs to be fixed upstream
[17:58] <Resistance> which means that it needs to be fixed in the program itself and applied for whatever version that gets included into
[17:59] <EpikVision> ah
[17:59] <Resistance> and while it may be nice to really have in Ubuntu, it should ideally be fixed upstream
[17:59] <EpikVision> what's the downstream then?
[17:59] <Resistance> i'm going to concur with jtaylor on this, it doesn't need fixing in ubuntu
[17:59] <EpikVision> alright.
[17:59] <EpikVision> perhaps, I'll find another one.
[17:59] <EpikVision> since I'm new, i need to tackle a bite-sized bug.
[17:59] <Resistance> there's a list of bite-sized ones, isnt there?
[18:00]  * Resistance could have SWORN there was one
[18:00] <jtaylor> http://harvest.ubuntu.com/
[18:01] <Resistance> jtaylor:  any objection to me stating your opinion (which is also my opinion) that this does not need fixing in ubuntu (but rather upstream) on the corresponding LP bug?
[18:01] <jtaylor> no
[18:01]  * EpikVision hopes to fix at least one bug today.
[18:02]  * EpikVision thanks Resistance and jtaylor for helping.
[18:02] <EpikVision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/395001
[18:02] <EpikVision> Is this a good one?
[18:03] <jtaylor> judging from the amount of comments probably not
[18:04] <jtaylor> also that again looks like an upstream issue
[18:04] <Resistance> jtaylor: can you poke the LP people and see whether LP is having a comms issue with gnome-bugs' upstream tracker?
[18:04] <EpikVision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/395001
[18:04] <Resistance> LP suggests that it is having a comms error
[18:04] <EpikVision> Resistance: maybe this is better.
[18:05] <Resistance> EpikVision:  FYI: jtaylor's higher up in the chain than I am, i'm pretty comfortable immediately trusting his assessment of bugs
[18:05] <EpikVision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/395001
[18:05] <Resistance> EpikVision:  posting three times gets annoying
[18:05] <Resistance> and in some cases is floody
[18:05] <EpikVision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/828359
[18:05] <EpikVision> I meant to get this one. I'm orry
[18:06] <Resistance> might i suggest, EpikVision, that you not assign yourself to bugs willy-nilly?
[18:06] <Resistance> just a small suggestion, is all
[18:06] <EpikVision> willy-nilly?
[18:06] <EpikVision> alright.
[18:06] <Resistance> i'm noticing on 395001 you assigned yourself then removed yourself from assignee after jtaylor pointed out its an upstream bug
[18:06]  * Resistance looks at 828359
[18:06] <EpikVision> sorry about that.
[18:07] <Resistance> this one's marked as incomplete
[18:07] <EpikVision> I think I would like to be assigned a decent bug to start with.
[18:07] <EpikVision> I have poor judgment and choice.
[18:08] <EpikVision> :(
[18:08]  * Resistance quickly runs off for a cup of coffee
[18:10]  * EpikVision stares at the computer screen.
[18:11] <Resistance> jtaylor:  tumbleweed:  sorry for interjecting and stealing your thunder, there
[18:12] <Laney> broder: can we have it API close the bug with -c à la syncpackage?
[18:12] <tumbleweed> Resistance: no problem I ran off to the canonical shop in UDS between sessions :)
[18:13] <Resistance> :P
[18:13] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: got a bunch of goodies?
[18:13]  * Laney need to get something
[18:13] <Laney> got a voucher
[18:13] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: yar, a new backpack and a hoodie
[18:13]  * ajmitch has a hoodie & fleece jacket
[18:13] <tumbleweed> plus some special orders for people in ZA :)
[18:14]  * Resistance should make an effort to attend UDS in the future.
[18:15]  * EpikVision had much fun at UDS.
[18:15] <Resistance> the past two UDS, i've been showing up remotely, although i did a lot of lurking this one
[18:17] <tumbleweed> I love that we have remote participation, but it's really hard to actually participate when you aren't there in person
[18:18] <Resistance> mhm
[18:18]  * tumbleweed is glad to be here
[18:18] <Resistance> i should point out, though, that when people actually talk loudly enough to be heard over the live audio streams, it makes life easier
[18:18]  * Resistance stopped by the MOTU BoF session yesterday
[18:18] <Resistance> (remotely of course)
[18:18] <tumbleweed> some people seem incapable of speaking up :)
[18:19] <Resistance> mhmn
[18:19] <Resistance> having said this, i could have said "Turn up the volume", but that crinkling noise was already too loud xD
[18:19] <Resistance> (there was crinkling somewhere near the mic)
[18:19]  * ajmitch blames highvoltage
[18:21] <EpikVision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/813041
[18:21] <EpikVision> guys, I think this one is ok.
[18:22] <tumbleweed> the most useful thing you can do there is to provide a patch
[18:22] <Resistance> mhm
[18:22] <EpikVision> providing a patch?
[18:22] <Resistance> aw, man, how is it i can just down a cup of coffee without realizing it...
[18:22]  * Resistance goes off to get another cup
[18:22] <EpikVision> haha
[18:22]  * EpikVision laughs
[18:23] <EpikVision> I should use http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-patchsys.html
[18:28] <Resistance> that bug'd need a patch at the most, that's the best you can do, its triaged upstream (with the Unity project)
[18:28] <EpikVision> tumbleweed:
[18:28] <EpikVision> tumbleweed: since you are UDS, can you lend a prospective developer a hand?
[18:28] <EpikVision> *are at
[18:28] <Resistance> EpikVision:  UDS is a busy time for devs :P
[18:28] <Resistance> i think you'll need some patience ;P
[18:28] <EpikVision> perhaps so...
[18:28]  * Resistance is intentionally not bugging the MOTUs much during UDS, even though their attention is necessary for a sync request from Debian for Quantal
[18:29] <tumbleweed> EpikVision: what are you needing a hand with?
[18:29] <EpikVision> determining what is a proper bug to fix.
[18:29] <EpikVision> how to recognize a easy bug from a hard bug
[18:29] <EpikVision> etc.
[18:29] <EpikVision> lol
[18:29] <tumbleweed> bitesize tag is an esay way to find an easy bug
[18:30] <EpikVision> some bitesize ones aren't meant to be fixed, I noticed during this discussion.
[18:30] <EpikVision> or a starter can't try them.
[18:30] <Resistance> probably because they're already merged/committed upstream
[18:30] <tumbleweed> right, so for each bug we make a decision on where we want to fix it
[18:31] <Resistance> for the first one you did, the one i came in on, that was already filed upstream and merged upstream with a fix
[18:31] <Resistance> so that didn't need fixing in Ubuntu
[18:31] <EpikVision> ahh ok
[18:31] <Resistance> i didnt look at that second one very well
[18:31]  * Resistance was too busy focusing on the need for coffee
[18:31] <EpikVision> oh my
[18:31] <tumbleweed> but if it's serious enough, we can apply the patch in Ubuntu rather than wait for the new version from the upstream that fixes the bug
[18:31] <Resistance> mhm
[18:32] <EpikVision> i c.
[18:32] <EpikVision> starters should try simple bugs then.
[18:32] <EpikVision> like typos
[18:32] <Resistance> yep.
[18:32] <Resistance> well, even then, minor fixes arent always accepted
[18:33] <EpikVision> btw, does anyone know alejandro's irc name?
[18:33] <tumbleweed> user-visible typos are a great thing to start with
[18:33] <Resistance> i agree
[18:33] <EpikVision> alrighty then, where and how can I find a bunch of them?
[18:34] <tumbleweed> search for spelling / typo on bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu ?
[18:34] <Resistance> the easy-to-fix stuff is good, including the bitesize bug i took up / filed against php5 to use unix sockets instead of TCP sockets, which was accepted upstream and exists in 5.4 in some debian repo :P
[18:34] <Resistance> that was a very easy to fix one ;P
[18:34] <Resistance> yeah, what tumbleweed suggested would work
[18:34] <Resistance> (default setup, on that php5 bug/wishlist request, btw ;P)
[18:34] <Resistance> speaking of which...
[18:35] <Resistance> tumbleweed:  who do i need to prod about server packages, such as php5 and whether they'll update to whatever the latest is in debian for Quantal?
[18:35] <EpikVision> Resistance: can you give an overview of the way of the developer?
[18:35] <Resistance> the ubuntu server team?
[18:35] <Resistance> i *should* be honest and point out that my duties with bugs primarily are deciding what's triage-worthy, and then filing it upstream as necessary
[18:35] <Resistance> nowadays i dont usually patch/fix bugs
[18:35] <Resistance> unless they're in the nginx project's PPAs, because i'm the manager of that ppa's lucid packages... :P
[18:36] <EpikVision> wow, that's awesome.
[18:36] <Resistance> OW!  hot coffee!
[18:36]  * highvoltage kind of stumbles in
[18:36] <Resistance> but to be honest, most bugs for that are fixed upstream, or have patches upstream that get included in the package
[18:37] <highvoltage> (eek I've missed a lot)
[18:37] <Resistance> (in regards to nginx's ppas which are more up to date than the repos)
[18:37] <Resistance> highvoltage:  meh, that's what scrollbacks and ubuntu logs are for :P
[18:37] <tumbleweed> Resistance: the last person who touched it is responsible for merging it from Debian
[18:38] <Resistance> tumbleweed:  ah, i see.
[18:38] <Resistance> how do i determine who was responsible for merging from debian?
[18:38] <Resistance> changelog entries?
[18:38] <broder> Laney: eh...i'm a bit iffy on that one - it has the same problem as syncpackage but worse since the upload hits unapproved
[18:38] <Laney> yes
[18:38] <tumbleweed> merges.ubuntu.com (which is currently a little out of date)
[18:38] <Laney> I would just leave it open though
[18:38] <Laney> I think most backporters are capable of doing that :-)
[18:39] <broder> huh?
[18:39] <Laney> what?
[18:39] <Laney> just don't press yes until it gets accepted
[18:39] <broder> ....that could take days, though
[18:40] <Laney> it could
[18:40] <Laney> the one i just did took 12 minutes
[18:40] <broder> that's because cjwatson and i were sitting next to each other and testing manual backporting
[18:40] <Laney> you are always free to quit and not do it
[18:40] <Laney> fine.
[18:40] <broder> i'm fine with adding the option
[18:43] <broder> bah. connection fail. in any case, colin and i came up with a list of changes we want to see in backportpackage before we start using it for heavy-duty backporting
[18:43] <broder> i will add bug closing to that list
[18:44] <Laney> ty
[18:45] <broder> in case you're curious, the changes are: switching from ~precise1 to ~ubuntu12.04.1 and passing -v because (a) that's what was always done and (b) it won't close bugs
[18:45] <broder> (the -backports pocket is special cased to never be able to close bugs)
[18:46] <Laney> interesting
[18:46] <Resistance> broder:  mind if i pick your brain about requesting a package sync?
[18:47] <broder> Resistance: i'm about to go afk for a while. asking the channel would probably be better
[18:47] <Resistance> if i use requestsync to request a sync from Debian unstable to Quantal, do i put quantal or something else for the target release?
[18:47] <Resistance> simple question, just a question of what to put in for target release
[18:47] <jtaylor> bug 997201 is weird
[18:47] <jtaylor> how can that happen?
[18:48] <broder> Resistance: yes, quantal is correct
[18:48] <Resistance> just wanted to make sure, thanks.
[18:48] <broder> though you shouldn't have to specify anything - it should default to the current devel release
[18:50] <Resistance> broder:  reminder that i'm on natty still (waiting for a replacement drive to come in), i'd rather not chance it ;P
[18:50] <broder> requestsync will ask you to confirm what it's doing before it does anything
[18:51] <Resistance> yeah, well i'm in the habit of putting information into the fields just to make sure it has the right info
[18:51]  * Resistance made the mistake of not doing that before when packaging things, and ran into all sorts of crap from pbuilder when it locally-build the package he was building
[18:51] <Resistance> locallybuilt*
[18:51] <Resistance> bah, stupid keyboard
[18:52] <Resistance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/998195  <-- in case someone can take a look at this
[18:52] <Resistance> (it builds in Quantal, i tested locally, and in a Quantal VM)
[18:53] <Resistance> bah, more firefox updates >.>
[19:05] <Rhonda> How brave would it be to upgrade from maverick directly to precise?
[19:07] <Rhonda> Huhm, I guess I should redirect myself to #ubuntu :)
[19:07] <Laney> probably it should display an "I uploaded this, please wait for it to be approved" message too
[19:07] <Laney> syncpackage could also do this during freezes ^o)
[19:08] <tumbleweed> or we should have a separate tool that looks at recent syncs / backports uploaded by you that have open bugs nad closes them
[19:09] <Laney> i'm thinking of Fix Committed which the same tool could/should do
[19:09] <Laney> for Fix Released, maybe closemybugsd would be nicetm
[19:09] <Laney> ™
[19:10] <Laney> well, maybe not backportpackage unless that is driving dput for you
[19:10] <Rhonda> wow, 500mb ram and 380mb swap. this is going to be fun :)
[19:10] <Laney> huh, what machine is this?!
[19:11] <Rhonda> two cores atom 1.6 ghz, hmmm
[19:11] <Rhonda> an aspire one netbook
[19:12] <Rhonda> I think it was one which had ubuntu preintalled back then
[19:12] <Rhonda> the display is broken, and there are some keys missing (I am typing on the rubber thingies mostly ;)
[19:13] <Rhonda> It's the best I could get as a quick replacement for my hp laptop that doesn't want to charge anymore
[19:13] <Laney> sounds like an enjoyable piece of hardware :-)
[19:13] <Rhonda> Didn't know you are also into masochism like me, Laney ;)
[19:14] <Laney> heh
[19:15] <Rhonda> Reminds me of the days when the m key on my compaq notebook b0rked.
[19:15] <Rhonda> I tweaked the keyboard bindings and even managed to get used to have the m above the tab key.
[19:18] <Rhonda> sfvbm right alt menu and right windows key, also right shift key, those are the keys that are missing the regular plastic above the rubber thingy
[19:19] <Rhonda> also, for additional fun, they keyboard layout is some qemrtz
[19:19] <Rhonda> anyone got a clue which language uses qemrtz?
[19:19] <Rhonda> italian potentially?
[19:30] <Resistance> if i've filed a sync request for a bug on LP in which the package that is being synced to Quantal closes that bug, should I set the bug that the sync request will close  to  "In Progress" (and assign the bug to someone involved with getting that sync request completed)?
[19:31] <Resistance> assuming the bug has "confirmed" as its current status
[19:33] <tumbleweed> Resistance: mention all the bugs that this will close in the sync request
[19:33] <tumbleweed> (assuming they aren't closed in the changelog)
[19:33] <Resistance> they are closed in the changelog
[19:34] <tumbleweed> perfect
[19:34] <Resistance> but the LP bug that's being closed, does it need "In Progress" set to its status with the sync request having been filed?
[19:35] <tumbleweed> you can, if you are worried that someone else is going to look at them
[19:36] <Resistance> now i assume i just wait for someone on the sponsors team to see the sync request?
[19:36] <tumbleweed> yes
[19:36]  * Resistance has all the patience in the world, then, on that one :)
[21:39] <bobweaver> hello there I am trying to find information about " Traditional Packaging "  is it like   make upstream  make make or autotolls/whatever  then start the debian package with dh_make -e <email> -c < license  -f foo.tar      then make all your debian/*  then make tar ball foo.orig.tar.gz  then build package with fakeroot and dpkg-buildpackage -F  ?
[21:40] <bobweaver> This is why I ask  http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/traditional-packaging.html
[21:49] <ScottK> bobweaver: In very general terms yes.
[21:50] <Laney> That packaging guide is using "traditional packaging" to mean packaging without using UDD.
[21:50]  * Laney tries to say "packaging" some more
[21:58]  * ScottK thinks of it more as "way that works reliably" than "traditional".
[21:59]  * Laney looks forward to reviewing that patch to the guide
[21:59] <bobweaver> ahh cool so like a hardened package ? or like very sound package
[22:00] <bobweaver> quilt is verry confusing for new comer like me and that guide if that helps at all
[22:00] <ScottK> Quilt is confusing to a newcomer period.
[22:00] <bobweaver> :)
[22:01] <ScottK> I don't recall exactly why, but I had a lot of trouble with it.
[22:01] <ScottK> Now I've gotten past it, but it's definitely a barrier to entry.
[22:05] <bobweaver> thanks ScottK
[22:06] <bobweaver> there was also something in the ,manual about RCD or something like that and I do not know what that is either I am looking for it now.
[22:06] <bobweaver> I can not belive that I deleted my Quesytions file then again it was 4 am
[22:11] <bobweaver> ok so I found it it is under the section Limitations of UDD¶What is  RCS on top of RCS.  ?
[22:12] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: RCS = revision control system
[22:12] <tumbleweed> both bzr and quilt are RCSs
[22:13] <bobweaver> ahh thanks that should be in maunal ? I should file bug ?
[22:13] <bobweaver> or shouldd I just add that and push my branch ?
[22:14] <tumbleweed> either works. If you're adding an explanation, that's great, that's what matters
[22:14] <bobweaver> will do now
[22:15] <bobweaver> thanks for the info everybody !
[22:19] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Quilt isn't really an RCS.
[22:20] <ScottK> dpkg tries to treat it that way, but that's dpkg's fault.
[22:21] <tumbleweed> ScottK: yeah, it's more a patch management tool
[22:21] <ScottK> Yes
[22:21] <tumbleweed> which is a job taken on by modern RCS tools
[22:22] <ScottK> Sort of.
[22:29] <bobweaver> hello again is there any tips that you could give too a new comer that wants to learn but also wants too learn from your mistakes. Like one for me is learn debconf before you try to write a postinst script or you do not have too package something eachtime you make a change, Thanks again I know that that is a loaded question but any tips help thanks
[22:36] <ScottK> Learning debconf is an advanced task.  Save it for later (until you find you need it).
[22:36] <ScottK> Find a bug that bothers you and see if you can figure out how to fix it.  Then package the fix.
[22:36] <ScottK> That's the best way to learn.
[22:41] <bobweaver> Thanks ScottK  !
[23:01] <bobweaver> I just got great news !
[23:05] <bobweaver> for bringing devs into motu. If you know what the newboston that is great if not it is a place too watch tutorials online about programing and all sorts of other stuff. his python video #1 of like 60 or something has over 288,000 hits and watches on youtube  and that is just the pyhton videos. He has said yes that he would put any video tutorials from motu on his site. I think that this would bring a lot of people in not sure if this is
[23:05] <bobweaver>  good or not what do you think  ?
[23:10] <bobweaver> sorry I was wrong about the numbers on that video it has 399,246 views
[23:10] <bobweaver> most have at least 100,000 per 1st video


[14:28] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Hi Colin, there is something with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/lightdm/ubuntu/revision/44 that prevents me from logging in with password. It just hangs.
[15:59] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Please disregard my previous message.


[07:53] <knightwise> Morning peeps
[08:08] <diplo> Morning all
[08:20] <popey> Morning
[08:22] <SuperMatt> ning
[08:53] <foobarry> left my spotify streaming sebadoh  all night. think of all the royalties i gave them
[08:58] <SuperMatt> listen to this to make up for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J94Xb6j8-U
[09:00] <foobarry> popey: got any dashcam recommendations pls?
[09:00] <foobarry> my wife is bugging me for one
[09:01] <foobarry> i recall u showing a video of yours
[09:02] <popey> http://www.techmoan.com/guide-to-dashcams/ is the best place to learn
[09:03] <popey> mine is 2 years old now, he reviewed loads
[09:03] <popey> http://www.techmoan.com/what-is-the-best-dashcam/ specifically
[09:05] <foobarry> thanks. did u leave yours in the car all the time?
[09:12] <foobarry> #centos has an annoying mode where they kick you into an unregistered channel if you are not registered. except i am
[09:12] <popey> foobarry: I do
[09:13] <diplo> Yeah, tis why I left the channel foobarry - also never found the channel helpful
[09:13] <popey> foobarry: yeah, happens in other channels too if you get disconnected during a netsplit
[09:13] <foobarry> people seem to be talking about rear view mirror cams a bit now
[09:14] <popey> yeah, not sure why
[09:14] <SuperMatt> I guess you'd want one in case someone goes in to the back of you
[09:14] <popey> why?
[09:14] <SuperMatt> though by law that's always their fault
[09:14] <popey> right, not a lot point unless you live in russia
[09:14] <foobarry> no, they fix onto your rear view mirror
[09:14] <SuperMatt> I guess it could be so that you can show you weren't brake checking
[09:14] <popey> some dont
[09:14] <SuperMatt> oh right
[09:15] <foobarry> you can rotate in 180 deg though
[09:15] <foobarry> it allows better interaction with the cam
[09:15] <foobarry> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Falcon-Zero-HD-Accident-Dual-Camera/dp/B00E56WY18 e.g.
[09:16] <foobarry> "mirrorcam"
[09:18] <foobarry> not sure if my car allows the auto start/stop
[09:35] <popey> that looks way too bulky for my liking
[09:35] <popey> most cars do auto start/stop with the aux socket
[09:36] <foobarry> I'm trying to figure out how to wire up a dashcam to my Mk2.5(?) Focus (08 plate). I'm aware that cigar lighter and 12v aux socket are both permanent live and looking for a solution to getting ignition live.
[09:38] <foobarry> ^^ looks like my focus is "special"
[09:39] <popey> ah, so you need to run a wire to the fuse box I guess
[09:39] <foobarry> thats annoying
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Care Giver Appreciation Day! 😃 ❤
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:13] <SuperMatt> good morning mr brobostigon
[10:14] <brobostigon> morning Mr SuperMatt
[11:11] <foobarry> would it be an issue if a dashcam can't read number plates?
[11:11] <foobarry> seems like a lot of cheaper HD ones can't
[11:11] <foobarry> and most would struggle at night
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> i think most plod expect the driver to be able to read and remember the licence plate of the plonker who did x
[11:12] <diplo> Depends on you really doesn't it. From what I've heard most people use it as a backup to insurance claims/police and the people are still there
[11:13] <diplo> If you want to be able to catch someone you'll need to spend more :)
[11:13] <foobarry> as in "X was driving on wrong side of the road when the incident occurred"
[11:13] <foobarry> "X says he wasn't"
[11:13] <foobarry> "Y produces footage"
[11:14] <foobarry> the lack of "ignition on" is a pain, costs extra £40 for a kit to go straight to my fuse box
[11:14] <diplo> yeah, the cheap one would cover you fine on that I'd say. But if someone did a hit and run is where you want to spend more
[11:14] <diplo> But it's a one off cost and you can move it from car to car ?
[11:15] <foobarry> its still extra munneh i hadn't expected
[11:24] <foobarry> in light of recent phone rules in cars, can anyone recommend a phone dock?
[11:24] <popey> foobarry: being able to read numberplates seems like a minimum requirement
[11:25] <foobarry> i'll check on youtube. amazon video files suck
[11:26] <popey> foobarry: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B015VSA21C/ i have that one
[11:26] <foobarry> ta
[11:27] <popey> foobarry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWQ5GAr02A that was the video i previously shared showing video quality
[11:27] <popey> (note that youtube compressed it a bit)
[11:27] <foobarry> which cam was that?
[11:28] <popey> freeze frame 31 seconds you can clearly read the van numberplate
[11:28] <popey> which I'm passing at a bit of speed
[11:28] <popey> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IPDD59W that one
[11:28] <popey>  29 June 2014  was when i ordered it, so getting on a bit now
[11:32] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM5IvetD0Gg doesn't quite get the number plates
[11:33] <popey> i see them at 8s
[11:34] <foobarry> almost
[11:34] <foobarry> not enough to read though?
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Phone in pocket & ignored. Safest way.
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> Although I do sometimes Bluetooth it to the radio for listening to podcasts. Could do handsfree calling, but I rarely do.
[11:39] <diplo> ahah I just read back through the logs and was about to same the same as TwistedLucidity :)
[11:39] <diplo> I'm at the point now that I try not to answer it straight on purpose at anytime just because it's expected now.
[11:40] <TwistedLucidity> If a call is important, then it's worth your time to pull over and do it safely.
[11:41] <diplo> yep, or in my case I just get my eldest to answer it, but more often than not now I just don't bother until I reach where I am going
[11:54] <Laney> have the thing on silent then you won't even know
[11:55] <foobarry> sometimes on the motorway its important to receive or make a call
[11:55] <foobarry> my car has bluetooth integration for voice calls
[11:55] <foobarry> and "ok google, call my wife " works
[12:05] <popey> Before we had phones it wasn't important to receive or make calls in the car. Also, the hard shoulder is a thing.
[12:07] <diplo> That's how I feel now too
[12:13] <foobarry> also google navigation is much better than tomtom
[12:13] <foobarry> ok google, whats the traffic like
[12:13] <foobarry> "traffic is light, you should reach your destination in 30 minutes"
[12:14] <SuperMatt> Problem with google maps is that it still doesn't know my address, and my building has existed for a year and a half
[12:14] <diplo> Yeah I don't mind google maps so much as you don't need to interact with it, talking on a phone is different even in a holder imo but that's all it is my opinion :)
[12:14] <foobarry> well the phone is routing through my stereo
[12:15] <diplo> haha SuperMatt, hope you don't need a map to get home.
[12:15] <foobarry> so if you are needing a quick call to say you won't make the meeting because there's traffic..
[12:16] <foobarry> you aren't even allowed to touch the phone in stationary traffic any more
[12:16] <SuperMatt> That's fair though
[12:16] <SuperMatt> because I've seen people fiddling with their phone at the lights
[12:16] <SuperMatt> then they see the car in front move forward slightly so they start moving while still looking at their phone
[12:17] <foobarry> i hate that
[12:17] <foobarry> people do whatsapp when there's a 2s pause
[12:17] <foobarry> things are ridiculous now
[12:17] <foobarry> waiting for a bus on the A10 you see every type of behaviour in 5 mins
[12:18] <foobarry> kids jumping around in the back of the car without seatbelts
[12:18] <SuperMatt> I think what people need to start doing, if they have a modern android phone, is put it in to "do not disturb" mode when they get in to a car
[12:18] <SuperMatt> then you don't get vibrations from the messages
[12:18] <diplo> foobarry: If I was in that position I'd find somewhere to pull over to make the call, as I say that's me though, seen 2 accidents with people using their phones as the cause and a friend injured from someone not concentrating
[12:18] <foobarry> using their phones, or having a hands free conversation?
[12:18] <Dave> people need to just realise they're driving and the nofifications aren't that important.
[12:19] <diplo> My kids have never taken their belts off, I think most of our issues now adays are parenting issues
[12:19] <foobarry> not that i do hands free calls often
[12:19] <foobarry> sometimes its kinda necessary and need to be able to do it safely
[12:19] <diplo> Both afaik, one was in a meeting in the car
[12:20] <foobarry> yeah i think "having a meeting/chat" is liekly to cause lack of concentration
[12:20] <foobarry> i got a server with 6 gpu in it. but missing the specific power cables :(
[12:21] <diplo> Unstandard cables ?
[12:21] <foobarry> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-pcs-6-PIN-TO-6-PIN-PCIE-graphic-card-POWER-CABLE-CCBL-146H-9-ORIGINAL-/222373205521?hash=item33c679d611:g:lucAAOSwrklU7pje
[12:21] <foobarry> GPU power cables
[12:22] <diplo> ah right, I forget about stuff like that, not had new hardware in soooooo long
[12:22] <foobarry> they are kinda standard i think but not in our spares box
[12:23] <diplo> Matalan near you ?
[12:24] <foobarry> maplin?
[12:24] <diplo> What happened with your job hunting foobarry ? any luck ?
[12:24] <diplo> ahahahah yeah maplin, I'm tired sorry :)
[12:24] <foobarry> went for internal promotion
[12:24] <foobarry> waiting to hear
[12:26] <diplo> Good luck!
[12:58] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: TomTom doesn't have live traffic? Strange, our Garmin does
[13:01] <TwistedLucidity> Hands-free use of a mobile is also unsafe. Situation will change when we have fully autonomous cars though.
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> then you'll just have to worry about your gaining sentience and wanting to kill you
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> *your car
[13:10] <TwistedLucidity> Never name your robo car "Christine"
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> you'd rather be killed by herbie?
[13:16] <DJones> TwistedLucidity: My TomTom has live traffic, but needs to be connected to a mobile phone by bluetooth to get the live traffic info
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> they tried updates by pigeons but drivers just complained about all the extra pigeon packets all over their cars :-P
[13:25] <TwistedLucidity> DJones: Huh, our Garmin just seems to do it. Must be tied in with Trafficmaster or something
[13:27] <DJones> Could be I guess, My TomTom needs the use of mobile data
[14:14] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wmIyD1fM4M looks like a good dual function dash cam /action cam
[14:14] <foobarry> better reg plate footage
[14:15] <foobarry> good night footage
[14:15] <foobarry> think i'm gonna get this
[14:17] <foobarry> argh there's a windows only app to change settings
[14:20] <foobarry> ah, it dumps a config.txt file you can change settings on linux
[14:27] <diddledan> lol @ config.txt - why don't people build devices with real configuration file formats?!
[14:27] <diddledan> even ini would be better than txt
[14:27] <diddledan> yaml seems to be the new hotness right now
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> no... it needs a registry that you have to edit live... :-P
[14:30] <diddledan> :-o
[14:31]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how you update the firmware without the windows software...
[14:33]  * zmoylan-pi loves a good ini file... there's often documentation in there that lets you find hidden features
[15:17] <TwistedLucidity> Well, supporting Windows gets them 90+% percent of the market. Can't really blame them.
[15:18] <TwistedLucidity> (I had to use Windows to transfer new firmware to a printer - total pain)
[15:19] <TwistedLucidity> And it was a total pain because the firmware installer didn't work, so hackery was involved (thanks, HP)
[15:20] <diddledan> speaking of which, wasn't there a vulnerability in pretty much every wifi printer a while back?
[15:20] <diddledan> I forgot to check whether mine was affected and now I can't remember the specifics to google for it
[15:20] <TwistedLucidity> Can't recall, never see the point of a WiFi printer
[15:21] <foobarry> so you can print from your laptop
[15:21] <foobarry> to a printer under your bed
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> it's so you can count script kiddies in your area who print rude/weird things on your insecure printer :-P
[15:21] <foobarry> at least thats where my printer is. it magically spits out pages from under the bed
[15:22] <knightwise> foobarry: lol
[15:22] <diddledan> looks like mine stopped getting updates - the most recent firmware is 2014 :-(
[15:22] <knightwise> Since i'm using a laptop 99 percent of the time , printing via wifi/over the network is mandatory
[15:23] <TwistedLucidity> If I want a WiFi printer, I can just wire the thing to the LAN
[15:23] <TwistedLucidity> Or USB it to a RasPi
[15:23] <daftykins> cables \o/
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> with scrap value when brexit goes wrong... :-P
[15:23] <diddledan> wifi isn't the draw of a wifi printer, it's the networking itself - most wifi printers come with an ethernet rj45
[15:24] <TwistedLucidity> And don't forget to block the printer's access to WAN
[15:24] <diddledan> then you can't print from google
[15:25] <TwistedLucidity> Why on Earth would I ever want to do that?
[15:25] <knightwise> I use google print a lot. I get an invoice in my mailbox at work , press print and boom , i have it printed out at home
[15:25] <foobarry> why on google earth?
[15:25] <knightwise> Its extremely convenient when you need to keep track of your invoices
[15:25] <diddledan> yeah google cloud print is handy
[15:26] <TwistedLucidity> The invoice is electronic; why not just use the PC to keep track of it?
[15:26] <diddledan> at a client site you can prod a button on your smartphone and get a print-out for when you get home
[15:26] <popey> foobarry: amusingly I just grabbed the sd card out of my car to look at the footage from it...
[15:26] <foobarry> ..
[15:26] <popey> I put the car in long term parking at gatwick this week
[15:26] <diddledan> popey: did you crash?
[15:26] <knightwise> Its odd , but Mint runs better in a VM on my XPS13 runnign windows 10 then it did natively on the machine
[15:26] <popey> was fun watching the video from the guy moving the car in the car park
[15:26] <foobarry> was he singing
[15:26] <foobarry> i thought your cam broke?
[15:27] <popey> no, but when reversing he did mutter "Can't see a fscking thing!"
[15:27] <diddledan> lol
[15:27] <diddledan> you need to clean your windows? :-p
[15:27] <popey> it was 6am and raining
[15:27] <daftykins> knightwise: not a surprise :) no idea why anyone touches that distro anymore
[15:27] <diddledan> aaah
[15:28] <diddledan> I don't like mint
[15:28] <diddledan> they recompile _some_ things and break other things in the ubuntu repo which are supposed to be compatible
[15:29] <daftykins> yip
[15:29] <foobarry> popey: was the cam u linked to your old one?
[15:29] <daftykins> think they hold back security fixes too?
[15:29] <diddledan> I mean they recompile things and put in THEIR repo with a higher priority than the buntu repo and then when you install a supposedly compatible thing which comes from the buntu repo it just fails
[15:29] <foobarry> i thought it fell ovff and smashed
[15:29] <ali1234> all distributions break things
[15:29] <popey> ooh, i think they looked in my boot!
[15:30] <daftykins> well even if they do, there's no good reason to run Mint
[15:30] <ali1234> i don't believe it is possible to make the perfect distribution where everything works the way upstream intended
[15:30] <diddledan> popey: good job you moved the body!
[15:30] <foobarry> mint is ubuntu + cinnamon innit?
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> Mint has flavours
[15:31] <foobarry> i ran it for a while during the DE wilderness caused by gnome3 and unity
[15:31] <daftykins> yeah in the early days folk went to it for that desktop, but there's no good reason to now
[15:31] <foobarry> even in those days i tried ubuntu with cinnamon ppa
[15:32] <daftykins> they do have their own repos for some things though so it's not truly Ubuntu at the base, like diddledan said
[15:32] <daftykins> doesn't stop them coming into Ubuntu channels begging for help :)
[15:32] <m0nkey_> For the IRCCloud users: comic sans
[15:32] <diddledan> m0nkey_: grr
[15:33] <daftykins> XD
[16:16] <Azelphur> just as I was about to buy a shiny AMD Ryzen rig, IOMMU groups are silly on all the boards apparently
[16:16] <Azelphur> :<
[16:17] <daftykins> as exciting as it is that AMD no longer suck and trail behind, being an early invester before the motherboard makers undoubtedly iron out a load of bugs would be a pretty unwise move
[16:17] <diddledan> hmm?
[16:17] <daftykins> especially for you as a Linux user...
[16:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: waiting for level1tech to test it out, they are very Linuxy :)
[16:18] <daftykins> only kernel 4.10 released the other day even got good support added :>
[16:18] <daftykins> what, the data centre folk?
[16:18] <diddledan> youtube
[16:18] <daftykins> oh i'm thinking of level3, heh
[16:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: youtube channel, ran by a guy called wendel, but he's very good.
[16:19] <Azelphur> knows his stuff :)
[16:19] <daftykins> still, you'd get anecdotal evidence about only the boards looked at
[16:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, but he's in a position to be like "Send review boards kthx" and then he'll be testing IOMMU and PCI passthrough
[16:19] <Azelphur> so, just waiting for him to go "Yep, this one"
[16:20] <daftykins> mmhmm
[16:20] <daftykins> ah well, you seem to enjoy purchase risk ;)
[16:20] <Azelphur> daftykins: I shall have you know that I have purchased multiple expensive hardware devices on the basis of no support.
[16:20] <Azelphur> I'm persistant :)
[16:33] <daftykins> hah
[16:34] <daftykins> i just bought a Linksys SPA-3102 that i'm hoping to mess about with the distro FreePBX, hooking up my landline to IP phones via said distro and so on
[16:34] <daftykins> should be a bit of fun / hair tearing out
[16:36] <Azelphur> daftykins: I'm gonna start playing with asterisk and such for the first time soon I think
[16:36] <Azelphur> want to make a smart doorbell from a pi, so have it video calling out
[16:36] <daftykins> yarr same thing then essentially
[16:36] <daftykins> also got a Cisco IP phone on the way for the desk
[16:36] <Azelphur> fun :)
[16:37] <Azelphur> dunno whether asterisk is over kill, all I really want is the doorbell to be able to ring a bunch of people, and the first one to answer it gets the call
[16:37] <daftykins> what would they be getting the calls on?
[16:37] <Azelphur> SIP clients, phones and desktops
[16:38] <Azelphur> they have to be video devices, so nothing like a cisco phone
[16:39] <daftykins> so far i haven't even been able to get a softphone connecting to the PBX XD
[16:40] <daftykins> doesn't help that the little blighter has fail2ban and firewalling as default, so you try to log in too fast and ban yourself...
[16:41] <Azelphur> ah
[17:38] <diddledan_> netsplit?
[17:39] <daftykins> not that i see
[17:39] <diddledan_> why I clone then?
[17:40] <daftykins> guess we'll see your other self ping timeout in a moment
[17:41] <diddledan_> I presume so, yeah
[17:44] <diddledan> t'were a netsplit
[17:46] <daftykins> ah har
[17:46] <daftykins> tbh you should've known directly from being able to chat but being very lonely :D
[17:48] <diddledan> I wasn't lonely prior - I just reconnected randomly, so I surmised the server had died
 https://twitter.com/Brexitannia2017/status/837736903575236608
[18:52] <diddledan> tis funny
[18:53] <diddledan> the funny bit is when the little girl wins
[19:59] <foobarry> anyone got a pi zero wifi yet?
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't they be busy playing with their new toy if they had... :-)
[20:11] <diddledan> lightning?!
[20:11] <diddledan> wtf??
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> you've angered thor diddledan, what did you do?!
[20:13] <diddledan> I have no idea
[20:14] <diddledan> I was just sat here minding my own business and then all moo broke loose
[20:53] <diddledan> someone hasn't heard of semver: https://twitter.com/ag_dubs/status/837767825322348547
[20:57] <diddledan> so who misses lookout express?
[20:57] <diddledan> and what about the active desktop from IE4???
[20:58] <diddledan> I want my widgets!
[21:00] <daftykins> i've recently been fighting folks away from even Thunderbird since it's such a Tuxawful mess
[21:01] <diddledan> gmail ftw?
[21:02] <diddledan> I think we need a new law "anything that can be moved to the web/html-app will be moved to the web"
[21:03] <diddledan> I shall call it the diddletheorem or diddle's razor
[21:05] <m0nkey_> How to annoy the diddledan .. comic sans :-D
[21:06] <diddledan> grr
[21:06] <diddledan> my to-smite list might be gaining a new entry :-p
[21:06] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah i did move one guy to gmail, then his brother (my main client) teased him about privacy and all that rubbish
[21:06] <daftykins> and it's like, heh yeah he totally needs to be safe emailing his kids
[21:06] <diddledan> privacy is not important
[21:07] <diddledan> who cares if google+gchq know I'm into midgets
[21:07] <diddledan> as long as they don't tell anyone..
[21:07] <m0nkey_> I moved away from Gmail
[21:08] <diddledan> I try others but keep going back
[21:08] <m0nkey_> fastmail
[21:09] <diddledan> fastmail, because email needs to be FAST!
[21:09] <m0nkey_> I'm serious, these  guys are good.
[21:09] <diddledan> "we deliver your email within 10 seconds of you hitting send. unless we don't, but it is still fast at not getting sent!"
[21:09] <m0nkey_> I got a 10% off discount if you want it
[21:10] <diddledan> I'm only trollin :-p
[21:10] <diddledan> trollin trollin trollin, keep them dawgies movin, rawhide!
[21:10] <m0nkey_> Don't make me comic sans you again.
[21:10] <diddledan> grr
[21:11] <m0nkey_> Anywho.. 10% off Fastmail if anyone is interested.. https://www.fastmail.com/?STKI=16650625
[21:13] <m0nkey_> Wow, this guy bought a Rolex while he was in the Army for just over $100 USD. It has been appraised at over $65,000 USD .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0mRLcGbU8&feature=youtu.be
[21:15] <diddledan> cookies: https://twitter.com/ICSandwichGuy/status/837773368464191489
[22:22] <marshmn> +1 for FastMail
[22:23] <daftykins> m0nkey_: crikey
[22:23] <marshmn> not only for the email, but also for the calendars & contacts syncing etc...
[22:23] <marshmn> sync nicely with Thunderbird and my phone at least
[22:24] <daftykins> i'm ok with G Suite (google apps), syncing from my android phone(s) and relying on the web interface
[22:24] <daftykins> not really fussed by having a client
[22:24] <marshmn> fair enough
[22:24] <daftykins> i've got a client in finance who can't have anything hosted outside of the UK though
[22:25] <daftykins> i went with hosted MS Exchange for him from simplymailsolutions.com - but those guys can be pretty poor at times
[22:25] <daftykins> oh - on the completely different topic of UK mobile telcos, is anyone with Three in the London and Manchester area and know how the coverage is compared with O2?
[22:26] <m0nkey_> I switched to FM late last year. Transition wasn't easy and had to get used to a new work flow.  But it's all good now :-)
[22:26] <daftykins> i'm thinking of switching a client to Three from O2 as they have quite good rates for using your data + call allowances when in the US, Spain, and here in Guernsey
[22:26] <m0nkey_> I still use Google for calendar and contacts
[22:26] <daftykins> ah right
[22:27] <m0nkey_> I plan to deactivate the Gmail in my Google account middle of April.  Everything of mine should be migrated to the new address by then.


[07:48] <pdyo> ChanServ: hello
[07:48] <pdyo> i found edubuntu amazing
[07:52] <highvoltage> pdyo: :)
[07:57] <pdyo> i met a problem ,i cannot ssh remote ubuntu server use computer a,but any others can login
[07:58] <pdyo> computer a always get Too many authentication failures for root
[07:58] <pdyo> i've searched but not found solution


[04:32] <webwulf> hello?
[05:52] <spikemcc> bonjour , mon ordinateur refuse d'installer windows ou prend 1-5 minutes de plus pour démarer sur windows apres l'essai d'ubuntu !!! hi , my pc refuse to install windows or take 1-5 minutes to boot after I tried ubuntu !!!
[11:04] <RichEdcmpc> highvoltage: ping ?
[11:05] <highvoltage> RichEdcmpc: pong
[11:06] <RichEdcmpc> did you get my email ... limpopo ?
[11:06] <RichEdcmpc> and are you seeing my /msg
[11:06] <highvoltage> RichEdcmpc: not yet, switching over to your window now...
[11:11] <ogra> RichEdcmpc, my atom just arrived but it has 512M/4G :(
[11:13] <ogra> RichEdcmpc, and apparentls the netbook remox wont run on anything smaller
[11:14] <RichEdcmpc> ogra: mutter a problem for every solution it seems
[11:14] <RichEdcmpc> got the EU meeting in a bit ... back on line tomorrow or wed
[11:20] <ogra_> RichEdcmpc, my atom just arrived but it has 512M/4G :(
[11:20] <ogra_> RichEdcmpc, and apparently the netbook remix wont run on anything smaller
[11:21] <stgraber> but your minimal target is still 256M/2G ?
[11:22] <ogra> well, i think thats disputable if intel wants me to base on UNR
[11:22] <ogra> (thats why i pinged Rich ;) )
[11:22] <stgraber> ok, 512MB/4G looks good, less work to do on memory optimization
[11:23] <ogra> well, i'm majorly impressed by the CPU
[11:23] <ogra> +with the 512M and 4G it will fly
[11:23]  * stgraber hopes his cmpc will arrive soon, looks like it'll miss a battery at the beginning :)
[11:23] <ogra> mine did tooo
[11:23] <ogra> but i ave enough batteries around already ... not that bad
[11:24] <stgraber> do they have a problem with their batteries ? :)
[11:24] <ogra> well, they make up the bigger part of shipping costs i guess
[11:28] <stgraber> oh, btw I have finished my LTSP changes to iTalc. You can now use it on standard workstations, LTSP installed on the server (ica+italc on the same computer), LTSP with ica installed in the chroot (and iTalc sending it commands from the server)
[11:28] <stgraber> all that working with avahi and classroom auto-generation
[11:28] <ogra> did you see bug #238480 ?
[11:28] <stgraber> my only problem is that sometimes avahi sends the ipv6-locallink (fe80:xxx) IP instead of the ipv4 and some computers are then missing
[11:29] <stgraber> yep, got the bug mail ... I'll check on my LTSP test setup, I have created a new user yesterday only to test iTalc so I'll just check the directory permissions
[11:29] <stgraber> root@xen01:~# ls -lh /home/test/.config/
[11:29] <stgraber> total 20K
[11:29] <stgraber> drwxr-xr-x 2 test test 4.0K 2008-06-08 10:19 iTALC Solutions
[11:29] <stgraber> looks good here ... maybe he tried to start ica as root ?
[13:11] <stgraber> that ume-launcher thing is exactly what my grandma needed for her lappy :)
[13:11] <stgraber> I just need to tweak it a bit to be localized and change some of the directories displayed in the right sidebar (to include her Documents directory)
[13:14] <ogra> it isnt localized for you ?
[13:14] <ogra> it surely is german for me
[13:14] <ogra> but breaks the ui due to long text
[13:16] <stgraber> items are localized as they are taken from the gnome menu
[13:16] <stgraber> but things like : Settings, remove favorite, log off, ... aren't
[13:17] <ogra> ah, roght
[13:18] <stgraber> I really like it, it's way easier than going through the gnome menu as she previously did. Icons are big and I just need to use Alacarte and remove everything she doesn't need to have the perfect lappy :)
[13:18] <stgraber> and her new lappy is 100% Intel so everything just works fine which is quite a change from her amd/broadcom/ati :)
[16:12]  * stgraber opened 3-4 new bugs against ume-launcher :) let's hope they will consider them and make something good from that
[16:12] <stgraber> I had a quick look at the code and that's C gtk/clutter so nothing I really know ... would have been too easy to have standard gtk components :)
[23:08]  * lns thinks ume-launcher is going to be the future of "simple computing"
[23:17] <ogra_cmpc> its pretty cool but saldy fully relies on GL which means its forced to be a future technology
[23:17] <ogra_cmpc> its unusable slow on non GL environments
[23:19] <lns> awwww
[23:21] <lns> that's pretty pointless... I mean, at least make it so you can turn off GL
[23:23] <ogra_cmpc> the widgetset uses GL
[23:24] <ogra_cmpc> it does pretty good software rendering but its to slow
[23:28] <lns> ugh..another widget set?
[23:28] <lns> can't we all just get along? =p
[23:33] <ogra_cmpc> clutter is a gtk extension
[23:35] <lns> ooo, haven't heard of clutter
[23:35] <lns> is that what ume-launcher uses?
[23:36] <ogra_cmpc> yep
[23:37] <lns> oh..well that's better then ;)
[23:38]  * lns approves =p
[23:38] <ogra_cmpc> phew
[23:39] <lns> I'm loving all this linux attention lately with subnotebooks.... it feels like a major turning point in computing, and it seems to be steering people toward what they really want - an easy to use interface to get online and do simple stuff
[23:40] <lns> Not that it really matters, but even with MS competing with Windows Mobile, the true core of the OS is now more important than ever


[00:00] <Daviey> jtv: are you alive yet?
[00:04] <mgz> why are you still alive Daviey...
[00:12] <Daviey> dammit.. it was HIM i wanted
[00:12] <Daviey> git!
[08:12] <Daviey> allenap: Mornin'
[08:22] <Daviey> mgz: Mornin'
[08:22] <Daviey> mgz: I could do with chatting to you :_
[08:24] <mgz> Daviey: sur
[08:25] <mgz> er... sure, not french for on.
[08:26] <Daviey> mgz: Well.. tags.. they should be working right?
[08:26] <Daviey> as in, commissioning should be discovering some characteristics ?
[08:26] <mgz> Daviey: yup.
[08:27] <Daviey> mgz: If i told you it was returning an empty set for arm and G-lab, what would you say?
[08:27] <mgz> we don't create any default tags at the moment, so you need to set them up yourself
[08:27] <Daviey> Oh!
[08:28] <Daviey> how come?
[08:28] <mgz> but filling in cpu_count and memory uses a similar mechanism, so if your nodes have those then tags will works
[08:28] <mgz> mostly because we don't know what people actually want
[08:28] <Daviey> mgz: ii'm just seeinf []
[08:28] <Daviey> seeing*
[08:28] <mgz> I like the idea of documentation explaining how to do things and having examples
[08:29] <Daviey> mgz: I imagined we'd get defaults of mem-$(free -g) and cpu-(numbr of cores) at least
[08:30] <mgz> well, we have that anyway with the mem and cpu values
[08:30] <Daviey> how do i query it then?
[08:30] <mgz> via what means? you use the juju constaint form, either when acquiring a node, or on the nodes page on the site
[08:31] <Daviey> mgz: http://pb.daviey.com/E2TV/
[08:31] <mgz> ie, http//maas.dev:5240/nodes/?query=cpu=4
[08:32] <mgz> right, unless you add some tags, your nodes will not have any tags :)
[08:32] <mgz> so, use the commandline client to create some
[08:33] <Daviey> mgz: I'm sorry if i am being dumb.. but how does that work?
[08:33] <mgz> you supply a tag name, a definition, and optionally a comment
[08:33] <Daviey> how does a definition work?
[08:34] <mgz> the name is what you use to look up against nodes, the definition is an xpath that runs against the lshw output
[08:34] <Daviey> mgz: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/nodes/?query=cpu=24 is null by default?
[08:34] <mgz> a trivial test is using 'true' as the definition, that will then be set on all nodes
[08:34] <Daviey> mgz: Ok, is this captured in doc's?
[08:35] <mgz> you have nodes with 24 or more cpus?
[08:35] <Daviey> yes
[08:35] <Daviey> 15 of them :)
[08:35] <mgz> if you select one of them, do they have the correct cpu count?
[08:36] <Daviey> ah, interesting.. they do no
[08:36] <Daviey> they show 2!
[08:36] <mgz> there is no user-facing docs yet, we needed code in for freeze, we need docs for release
[08:36] <Daviey> and 49152 MB mem
[08:36] <Daviey> (should be 42GB!)
[08:37] <mgz> okay, so the trick will be to find out if it's the lshw output that's wrong, or our query
[08:37] <mgz> if you can extract that and post it somewhere, will tell you if it's a platform bug or a maas bug
[08:37] <Daviey> ok
[08:38] <mgz> so, if you look at that output, there may be some other facet you care about, which you can then add a tag for
[08:38] <mgz> (it's not that useful with an entirely homogeneous cluster)
[08:39] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/fKJs/
[08:39] <mgz> ...we probably want an easy way of getting that lshw stuff as I suspect this might be a common support question
[08:40] <mgz> that lists two cpus.
[08:40] <Daviey> hmm, only showing two cpu's.. but multiple cores i guess
[08:40] <Daviey> this one has 24 cores, ubuntu@node-0025904c7eb4:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo  | grep processor | wc -l
[08:40] <mgz> with multiple cores and threads per cpu
[08:40] <Daviey> 24
[08:41] <mgz> what's the actual box? two hexacore chips with hyperthreading?
[08:41] <Daviey> mgz: So.. is physical cpu, or core more important ?
[08:41] <Daviey> mgz: NFI
[08:41] <Daviey> ubuntu@node-0025904c7eb4:~$ sudo dmidecode | pastebinit
[08:41] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/SOhU/
[08:42] <mgz> probably the core count.
[08:42] <mgz> plus or minus hyperthreading
[08:43] <mgz> okay, so example tag to match that
[08:43] <mgz> I'm not sure the exact thing you use via the client, but it's along the lines of
[08:46] <mgz> *... addtag* --name dual_hexacore --definition "count(//node[@class='processor']/configuration/setting[@id='cores' and @value=6]) = 2"
[08:47] <Daviey> mgz: Do you have ideas how we could add some common ones OOTB?
[08:47] <Daviey> such as that
[08:47] <mgz> well, that one doesn't seem common, but adding anything you suggest as examples would be fine :)
[08:47] <Daviey> Users can always delete them.. but this feels so complex, that nobody will bother using it without some already provided
[08:47] <mgz> right, so one option is to fake instance types a little
[08:48] <Daviey> mgz: Do you want to list some viable defaults ?
[08:48] <mgz> so, have a few set tags that are "box with about cpu/mem/other of X'
[08:49] <Daviey> sounds reasonable
[08:49] <Daviey> what do others think?
[08:50] <mgz> the downside is composite tags like that will be very complicated compared to single purpose ones that just look at one detail of a box
[08:50] <Daviey> right
[08:50] <mgz> so, it's good to provide them, but they're bad examples to work off
[08:51] <mgz> Daviey: can you file a bug about your cpu_count and attach that lshw output?
[08:51] <mgz> because that wants fixing regardless I suspect
[08:53] <Daviey> mgz: cpu_count should be cores rather than physical cpu's?
[08:54] <mgz> that makes more sense to me
[08:58] <mgz> jam: it's meant to be your day off!
[08:58] <mgz> bad jam.
[08:59] <lifeless> Daviey: prob /proc reported cpus, so neither physical nore cores.
[09:02] <Daviey> lifeless: I'm not qutie sure what i am seeing.  I assumed /proc/cpuinfo == lshw :)
[09:02] <Daviey> but it does not.
[09:14] <jam> mgz: I'm off, I'm browsing for cars, and figured I'd check email.
[09:14] <jam> too much crap to do when moving...
[09:15] <jam> mgz: what do you think about leaving out the 'bank:' in the xpath
[09:15] <jam> better to have it or not have it?
[09:15] <jam> It feels like we're getting to the place where that XPATH expression should be a configuration variable, so it can be tweaked in the field.
[09:23] <jam> mgz: plus, if I can spend 5-10 min to keep you guys unblocked, as long as my wife doesn't notice, it is time well spent :)
[09:24] <rbasak> Daviey: please could you see bug 1065763? This is dannf's issue from yesterday.
[09:25] <rbasak> As a dpkg-reconfigure maas-region-controller fixes it, I'm concerned that there's a postinst ordering issue
[09:27] <mgz> the startswith() is a bit ugly, maybe using @class instead would help, but from the two compeltely different ways of listing memory it's a bit tricky to make one sane expression
[09:28] <mgz> I am getting the the point of thinking we need to give people a really easy way of getting at the lshw output if it's going to be this variable
[09:28] <Daviey> rbasak: ugh
[09:28] <mgz> otherwise trying to workout what's wrong with an expression will be taxing...
[09:29] <mgz> the one issue with having the cpu and mem expressions stored as data rather than code is the migration needs them, and has limited access to stuff, but can probably get around that
[09:29] <Daviey> rbasak: Have you identified what is exactly not happening ?
[09:30] <rbasak> Daviey: no, I've not looked at all. I can't reproduce.
[09:30] <rbasak> I've not attempted to reproduce by altering postinst ordering mind.
[10:18] <jam> mgz: as for data vs code, we could always have a default, and a way to poke a new expression into the system. (store in the db, rather than in the config)
[11:45] <jtv> allenap, jam: it's getting busy in the review department...  remember to claim reviews you're working on, to cut down on duplicate effort!
[12:36] <mgz> okay, posted pagination bits.
[13:46] <roaksoax> rbasak: it doesn't seem to me that the postinst ordering is the problem
[13:47] <roaksoax> rbasak: it seems to me that credentials for maas_workers in rabbitmq are the problem
[13:47] <roaksoax> rbasak: that's why it works on reconfigure
[13:47] <roaksoax> Daviey: ^^
[13:47] <rbasak> roaksoax: ok
[13:47] <rbasak> roaksoax: I'm not familiar with the packaging
[13:48] <roaksoax> dannf: do you happen to have an installed system that failed to install maas without reconfiguring?
[13:50] <roaksoax> rbasak: thank your for looking at it though :)
[13:50] <Daviey> roaksoax: Have a fix?
[13:51] <roaksoax> Daviey: trying to reproduce and see if it is exactly what i think it is :)
[14:02] <jtv> Oh, hi Daviey, hi roaksoax -- better help output for maas-cli is ready to land.  Unfortunately the cron job doesn't seem to be landing it yet.
[14:07] <roaksoax> Daviey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1274979/
[14:10] <Daviey> jtv: sweet
[14:10] <jtv> The formatting may look a bit crap; I'm working on that.
[14:11] <roaksoax> Daviey: it seems rabbimq issue
[14:11] <Daviey> crap
[14:11] <Daviey> i saw a race with that earlier
[14:15] <jtv> allenap: trying the regular HelpFormatter for maascli... actually looks better!  Any idea why we're using the RawDescriptionHelpFormatter?
[14:19] <roaksoax> Daviey: yeah so the user doens't get created
[14:21] <allenap> jtv: Because the default formatter mangles the help text that contains :param foo: bits. It also smushes everything into a single paragraph.
[14:22] <roaksoax> Daviey: ok, so the postinst creates 2 rabbitmq users. The first one creates correctly. However, for the installer, before we create the user we restart rabbitmq (force restart).
[14:23] <roaksoax> Daviey: now, that we have 2 rabbitmq users... the fix seems to be that we should restart rabbitmq *again* for the installer
[14:23] <roaksoax> Daviey: this will restart rabbitmq 2 times on install
[14:29] <jtv> allenap: ah yes...  I guess I'll just have to format the input text then.
[14:30] <Daviey> roaksoax: why does it need restarting ?
[14:31] <roaksoax> Daviey: in the installer... because we should not run dameons on installation? and apparently after the user creation it dies or somthing happens
[14:31] <roaksoax> Daviey: that's the same issue we had last cycle
[14:32] <roaksoax> Daviey: so we had to force rabbimq to be running during the installer
[14:32] <Daviey> I wonder if dpkg-triggers could do what we need
[14:34] <roaksoax> Daviey: it would be the same wouldn't it?
[14:34] <roaksoax> Daviey: because it would also happen during the install when we need rabbitmq running
[14:35] <Daviey> roaksoax: Hmm, i'm not sure
[14:35] <Daviey> my gut says it's the solution, but i'd need to dig deeper
[14:56] <roaksoax> Daviey: doesn't seem to be fixed by trying to restart rabbigmq again
[14:56] <roaksoax> rabbitmq
[14:56] <Daviey> poop
[15:01] <dannf> roaksoax: i don't, but i can recreate one
[15:03] <roaksoax> dannf: no worries, I know what the issue is
[15:22] <roaksoax> Daviey: ok so it seems that there's no easy way to fix this
[15:23] <Daviey> roaksoax: what is the hard fix?
[15:23] <Daviey> roaksoax: Are you sure dpkg-trigger isn't the right fix?
[15:23] <roaksoax> Daviey: so i tried trying to restart again, it doens't really create the user
[15:23] <roaksoax> Daviey: i tried to force the start (as we do with postgresql), it doesn't work
[15:23] <Daviey> 677840
[15:24] <roaksoax> Daviey: i have a couple of other ideas but we'll see
[15:24] <roaksoax> Daviey: and for the little I read... maybe not
[15:24] <roaksoax> bug #677840
[15:25] <roaksoax> Daviey: is that a bug number?
[15:25] <Daviey> err, no
[15:25] <Daviey> it was an accidental OTP :)
[15:25] <roaksoax> lol
[15:40] <roaksoax> Daviey: well it seems tha triggers might be an option but idk whether that will work on a reboot
[15:45] <Daviey> i thought they should work 'when satisfied'
[15:48] <roaksoax> Daviey: right, so this would involve modifying rabbitmq
[15:49] <roaksoax> Daviey: "This feature is heavily used to track changes of packaged files in a list of predefined directories, and to update other files based on this."
[15:50] <roaksoax> uhmmm these talks about files
[15:50] <roaksoax> but this cause is not handling filse, is having a server daemon running
[15:53] <roaksoax> allenap: maas already supports https?
[16:51] <roaksoax> smoser: around?
[16:51] <smoser> here
[16:51] <roaksoax> smoser: could you verify bug #1065259 please?
[16:53] <smoser> roaksoax, i can try
[16:53] <roaksoax> smoser: thanks!
[16:54] <roaksoax> Daviey: ok.. so ... tried many things by fixing the postinst and still no lock, os no idea of what might be wrong
[16:54] <Daviey> urgh
[16:54] <Daviey> This is potentially a big deal
[16:54] <smoser> roaksoax, whats wroong?
[16:55] <Daviey> maas install bug from cd
[16:55] <roaksoax> smoser: idk whether you recall that during last cycle, we needed rabbitmq running in the installer in order for us to create the longpoll rabbitmq user, and etc
[16:55] <Daviey> ie, release critical
[16:56] <roaksoax> smoser: so now, we not only create 1 rabbitmq user, but 2, and the second one doesn't get created
[16:57] <roaksoax> smoser: or how can I add -proposed automatically?
[16:57] <roaksoax> to eh enlist user-data
[16:58] <roaksoax> smoser: this is the installre bug #1065763
[16:58] <smoser> roaksoax, enlistment?
[16:58] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah, so i'd like to add -proposed on cloud-init user data, is that possible?
[16:59] <roaksoax> i mean, so that the userdata can grab the enlist image from there
[16:59] <smoser> roaksoax, well, you dont really have to.
[16:59] <smoser> you can, but in a daily, the maas-enlist is already there.
[16:59] <smoser> the most recent daily
[17:00] <smoser> i copied the SRU'd maas-enlist to maas-ephemeral ppa
[17:00] <roaksoax> smoser: ok so then we can mark it as verified then?
[17:01] <smoser> well, if you verify it you can :)
[17:02] <roaksoax> smoser: that's why I was asking.. in order to verify we need to get it from proposed :)
[17:03] <smoser> ok.
[17:03] <smoser> a.) you dont need to do that. you could just use the daily of precise. it would have it.
[17:03] <roaksoax> smoser: right but we need to veirfy what's in proposed not on the daily even though you copied it :)
[17:03] <smoser> b.) you can (i suggest trying it) add a ppa by adding the appropriate cloud-config content to /usr/share/maas/preseeds/enlist_userdata
[17:04] <smoser> apt_sources:
[17:04] <smoser>  - source: deb $MIRROR $RELEASE-proposed main
[17:04] <smoser> roaksoax, ^ add that and "should work"
[17:05] <roaksoax> smoser: cool thanks
[17:08] <roaksoax> allenap: does maas already support HTTPs?
[17:21] <smoser> roaksoax, do you want me to try to do this?
[17:21] <smoser> to verify?
[17:21] <roaksoax> smoser: i already did
[17:21] <smoser> oh. ok.
[17:21] <roaksoax> thanks tho
[17:22] <smoser> so my advice worked?
[17:22] <smoser> did you use a daily ephemeral?
[17:24] <roaksoax> smoser: no i haven't upgraded ephemerals and yes i used -proposed
[17:25] <smoser> cool
[18:59] <roaksoax> flacoste: howdy!1 unrelated question that you might help me with. Why do PPA's don't allow upoading a package, which is in the Ubuntu Archive, but has a different tarball?
[19:05] <flacoste> roaksoax: you mean same version number than in the archive but actual different tarball?
[19:07] <roaksoax> flacoste: yep
[19:07] <roaksoax> flacoste: so I'm trying to upload a precise version of it, which has a different tarball
[19:07] <flacoste> roaksoax: it's a good question, i know we don't allow two publication of the same version number with a different tarball
[19:08] <flacoste> ah
[19:08] <flacoste> but that would prevent the precise version from being upgraded when going to quantal, no?
[19:08] <flacoste> so in this case, that check does make sense
[19:10] <roaksoax> flacoste: right, but even if the quantla version has a higher ubuntu revision number, the upload fails
[19:10] <roaksoax> flacoste: anyways, i guess this might prevent an SRU from happening due to this check
[19:11] <roaksoax> because the upstream tarballs are gonna be different
[19:11] <roaksoax> the precise version has to include python-tf-tftp and yui3
[19:11] <flacoste> roaksoax: the only check that i am aware of is that we don't allow two publication of the same package version with two different tar ball
[19:11] <flacoste> now, i wasn't aware that this was cross archive
[19:12] <flacoste> i have no idea if this is intentional or not
[19:12] <flacoste> best thing is to file a bug if you think it is
[19:12] <roaksoax> flacoste: this is the message: "File maas_0.1+bzr1264+dfsg.orig.tar.gz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu, but uploaded version has different contents."
[19:12] <flacoste> and more knowledgeable folks will assess if it is or not
[19:12] <roaksoax> flacoste: will do
[19:12] <flacoste> roaksoax: right, so it seems that it's a cross archive check
[19:12] <flacoste> hmm
[19:13] <roaksoax> flacoste: indeed
[19:13] <flacoste> my guess is that this is intentional
[19:13] <flacoste> to prevent a ppa from hijacking a ubuntu package
[19:13] <roaksoax> yeah it seems like it
[19:13] <flacoste> or shadowing if you prefer
[19:14] <roaksoax> right
[19:14] <roaksoax> flacoste: alrught, thanks for the info
[19:46] <lifeless> its a consistency thing
[19:47] <lifeless> I *think* it applies to pockets as well
[19:47] <lifeless> e.g. ubuntu-security/ubuntu-release