[14:03] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +8465 cases (now 1.4 million), +197 deaths (now 23810) since 23 hours ago


[05:39] <stevenm> eslerm, don't suppose you know who maintains the ubuntu grub packages now - that I might tempt them with the idea of including that patch (either in the next ubuntu12 for ubuntu 22.04 officially - or as a ppa?)
[05:39] <stevenm> you mentioned a Chris ?
[05:40] <stevenm> if ubuntu 22.04 gets 5 years - wouldn't it be nicer to have 5 years of completely encrypted data - rather than have a weak point throughout
[05:41] <sarnold> it's probably worth a launchpad bug, yeah
[05:41] <sarnold> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+filebug
[05:42] <sarnold> I think foundations team put in a ton of work once upon a time to try to make it easier to bring back newer grubs to older distros as bugs get fixed
[05:43] <sarnold> normally updating old releases to new versions is a non-starter, but I think grub's secureboot shenanigans require(d? s?) that
[05:44] <sarnold> since kinetic release is pretty close I can't imagine this would get traction for the next month, but it couldn't hurt to have it mentioned *before* the prague meetup
[05:44] <sarnold> I'm off, have fun stevenm


[13:34] <pleia2> so, the VM that we run our website on runs on 32-bit x86 binaries instead of 64-bit and Ubuntu proper has stopped supporting it, so our best path forward is doing a reinstall, I hope to tackle this next week


[18:35] <sagaci> just posted a notice to the planet re:u-m meeting this Sunday
[18:44] <CarstenG> Hi Joel
[18:44] <CarstenG> where did you post this?
[18:46] <sagaci> joelp.me/blog
[18:47] <sagaci> I just went off Hannie's mailing list announcement, to give anyone a couple of days notice
[18:47] <sagaci> who knows, maybe a couple of extra editors/proof-readers
[18:50] <CarstenG> Nice, Thanks Joel
[18:50] <sagaci> no worries


[01:21] <Random_> Hello everyone
[01:22] <Random_> Is there anywhere or anyone that has the knowledge to install the Raring Dailys onto the HTC One X
[01:24] <Random_> I have followed the instruct that was used to flash/install the original dev img, now that the Dailys are coming from Raring not Quantal I believe the CM10 image does not support the new preinstall
[01:29] <johnjohn101> will a galaxy tab be a good platform for testing ubuntu tablet stuff?
[01:38] <slangasek> Random_: CM doesn't have anything to do with supporting Ubuntu Touch; generally, you're installing Ubuntu Touch /over/ any CM that's present on the device.  The process is the same whether for quantal or for raring, but I don't personally know anything about installing on the HTC One X (and whether there's a raring-compatible hardware pack for the 1X)
[04:08] <Esigolo> I Just need the raring-preinstalled-recovery-armel+mako.zip to flash the nexus 4 right
[04:09] <Esigolo> i just ti be sure
[04:09] <Esigolo> ?
[04:18] <slangasek> Esigolo: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install for instructions on how to flash
[04:22] <knrubar> hi.  Does anyone know how I can import or sync contacts with the latest release?  It does not appear that the  `manage-address-books.py create` method is available anymore.
[04:32] <john___> hi
[04:35] <john___> how to install
[04:42] <slangasek> stgraber: ok, I'm at an impasse with bind mounting of /dev.  I can't just bind mount directly to /dev, because it gets overmounted with a new tmpfs and /init doesn't have a 'umount' command; I've tried mounting it to a different path and letting /init move the mount, but it doesn't do it and then /init hangs.
[04:44] <slangasek> stgraber: ah, partly because /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/fstab.mako references links that aren't created anywhere
[04:45]  * snwh is away: Away
[05:24] <slangasek> stgraber: ok, worked through the fstab.mako problem, and /dev still fails to get re-bind-mounted because /init doesn't understand how to pass MS_BIND to mount().
[05:25] <slangasek> stgraber: so I'm officially giving up for now
[05:39] <Nimble> Hashcode: are you still doing development for ubuntu touch on the droid 3?
[05:40] <Hashcode> Nimble: it's not my highest priority since it's 512MB RAM
[05:40] <Hashcode> :/
[05:40] <Nimble> alright, just curious.
[05:41] <Hashcode> Not a death knell per say.. but not focusing on it since the performance just isn't there yet.
[05:42] <Nimble> hm.
[05:42] <Nimble> well the UI wont start at all. I can still get into the phone with adb but running "qml-phone-shell" gets a segfault
[05:42] <Nimble> know where I can start looking to fix this? I  think last time updating the qt packages worked
[05:42] <Hashcode> Yeah actually we have a current issue
[05:42] <Hashcode> it's the android layer
[05:42] <Nimble> oh, ok
[05:42] <Hashcode> there's been a few changes in raring/saucy
[05:43] <Nimble> when did the changes occur?
[05:43] <Hashcode> I need to redo the builds from scratch and sort of see where it's failing
[05:43] <Hashcode> it's probably been broken for a good month I think
[05:43] <genii> Hashcode: I broke my droid3 ... does it work well on 4, or possibly photon q?
[05:43] <Nimble> I got raring to work about 2 weeks or so ago
[05:43] <genii> ( thinking which next phone to get)
[05:43] <Nimble> but that was only because I had the network set up already and I could update the packages
[05:44] <Hashcode> Nimble: I would have appreciated some kind of pull request :/
[05:44] <Hashcode> genii: honestly, i'm at a loss to recommend a replacement keyboard phone atm.
[05:44] <Hashcode> genii: i have the D4
[05:44] <Hashcode> genii: it's fine, but over a year and a half old almost
[05:44] <Nimble> a pull request?
[05:45] <Hashcode> Nimble: as in let us know what you did to get it working.
[05:45] <genii> Hashcode: Ah, OK. Thanks :)
[05:45] <Nimble> oh
[05:45] <Hashcode> So that I don't spend 8 hours rebuilding it from scratch duplicating
[05:45] <Hashcode> genii: i was hoping to see some kind of 720p keyboard phone come out.. but it hasn't happened yet.
[05:45] <Nimble> if you can help me set up the wireless network on it I could see if it will work
[05:45] <Nimble> or you can try adding the qt5 edgers ppa
[05:46] <Hashcode> Oh
[05:46] <Hashcode> You mean you ran the update on the phone
[05:46] <Nimble> yep
[05:46] <Hashcode> not a new build.
[05:46] <Nimble> oh no
[05:46] <Nimble> I have no idea how to do builds on my own
[05:46] <Nimble> lol
[05:46] <Hashcode> yeah, I'm debugging a brand new build.
[05:46] <Hashcode> As the latest changes break
[05:47] <Nimble> hm.
[05:47] <Nimble> my memory is hazy now if I installed from the new build or if it was an old build I had installed already
[06:11] <Shubham> hello
[06:12] <Shubham> ubuntu touch is still in developer preview stage? because I saw a video showing the working version of ubuntu touch
[06:15] <Nimble> you can install it and use it on supported devices but you may not find it useable as a daily driver yet
[06:31] <knrubar> hi.  Does anyone know how I can import or sync contacts with the latest release?  It does not appear that the  `manage-address-books.py create` method is available anymore.
[08:17] <leemeng0x61> 特色
[08:58] <ogra> slangasek, uuh, no, we dont want the container to see any of the hosts dev, thats one of the main reasons to use lxc :) the container has nothing in it that would make use of the hosts dev entries, but  the host needs access to some of the devices of the container. what we have now is fine, just need to find all the devices we need to add to the udev rule to get permissions and naming right
[09:05] <roman2861> Guys, who can review a Weather Core App and merge into thme main branch?
[09:05] <roman2861> *the
[09:18] <Guest20530> hi i have an atab tablet with the followin spec http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/56655
[09:18] <Guest20530> can i install ubuntu touch
[09:20] <Guest20530> hello anyone
[09:23] <Guest20530> can anyone answer my question
[09:24] <jaywink> !devices
[09:24] <jaywink> Guest20530,
[09:25] <Guest20530> yes i checked but because it is similar to the samsung 10.1 i was wondering if i coul install it
[09:28] <Guest20530> i guess the answer is to wait for a generic image
[09:29] <roman2861> ballons, are you here?
[09:29] <roman2861> *balloons
[09:30] <Guest20530> is there an ubuntu touch generi img for tablet
[09:34] <roman2861> Guys, Ubuntu weather app devs! Are you here?
[10:43] <nuovodna> morning to all, i'd like to know if i can upgrade from raring build to saucy one without wiping the configurations (data/installed app)
[10:44] <ogra> phablet-flash will handle keeping your userdata once it defaults to saucy ....
[10:44] <ogra> i dont think it can preserve your installed apps yet
[10:45] <nuovodna> ogra: thanks
[10:45] <nuovodna> i will wait for saucy image
[12:46] <almaidinajad> hii everybody before i try to install the latest version of ubuntu touch on HTC One X I need to know if there is some other build
[13:18] <KillerTheLord> Does Ubuntu touch allow sharing of phone's 3g connection to PC using tethering?
[13:28] <KillerTheLord> Does Ubuntu touch allow sharing of phone's 3g connection to PC using tethering?
[14:01] <ogra> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:01] <ogra>  ubuntu-touch : Depends: ubuntu-qtlocation-plugin but it is not going to be installed
[14:01] <ogra> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[14:01] <ogra> bah, who broke the saucy builds
[15:47] <Um3ggh1U> anyone using ubuntu  13.04 desktop with a touch screen?
[15:47] <IdleOne> Um3ggh1U: fair warning, this is the weekend and answers may take time. :)
[15:47] <Um3ggh1U> thanks IdleOne :)
[15:48] <IdleOne> also, just ask your real question and if someone knows they will try to help.
[15:49] <Um3ggh1U> ok, i have a problem with 13.04  desktop fresh install and touchscreens, after 1 or 2 clicks the system stops to recognize clicks, someone experienced the same problem?
[16:11] <ricmm> sforshee: right, calling thread context comes from somewhere else
[16:12] <ricmm> you can set a context for the cb if desired
[16:51] <AskUbuntu> Are Ubuntu Phone apps compatible across different devices? And if yes, how? | http://askubuntu.com/q/305702
[17:19] <rickman> hey Guys! someone outthere to help me out?
[17:20] <UbuPhillup> rickman: ask
[17:21] <rickman> got a HTC desire s. wanna put ubuntu touch on it. im in recovery and just flashed phablet saga 10.1 andt quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf. unfortunately the device reboot in recovery but not into ubuntu. whats wrong?
[17:28] <rickman> ive downloaded the phablet saga and the preinstalled phablet armhf and put it on the desire`s sd card. then boot into recovery. did a full wipe. then installet the phablet-saga 10.1. next step was installing quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf. then a reebot. and now it reboots in recovery everytime but does not boot ubuntu
[18:53] <AskUbuntu> Symphony FT45 mobile PC suite for ubuntu 12.04LTS | http://askubuntu.com/q/305740
[18:57] <slangasek> ogra: I don't agree that what we have right now is fine; we still don't have udev vs. ueventd sorted out reliably, and I'm very concerned about the implications of this
[22:12] <Tercero> i have ubuntu touch on a nexus 7 running the newest daily build.  how do i install the terminal app
[22:23] <RobbyF> does netflix work on the browser? I doubt it but figured it's worth asking.
[22:57] <ldiqual> hey guys!
[22:57] <ldiqual> just a quick question that Google couldn't answer for me
[22:57] <ldiqual> is it possible to dualboot android & ubuntu touch on Nexus 4 at the moment?


[01:09] <Unit193> Hello Cheri703!
[01:09] <Cheri703> hey
[01:10] <Cheri703> brb
[01:17] <Cheri703> back :)
[01:17] <Unit193> Welcome back!
[01:17]  * Cheri703 got a printer!
[01:17] <Unit193> That multi one?
[01:17] <Cheri703> and reaffirmed my love for both microcenter and newegg
[01:18] <Cheri703> a different one, but similar
[01:18] <Cheri703> a canon, very similar except a secondary paper path
[01:18] <Cheri703> (lets you feed straight through instead of making it curve over)
[01:18] <Unit193> Not going for an HP ;)
[01:19] <Cheri703> pricematched newegg for $89.99, so I got a $10 2 year replacement thing, which normally I don't go for, but printers crap out quickly, and basically within 2 years, I can go back and get a gift card for the full purchase price if it does
[01:22] <Unit193> Would you try SSH -x over dialup?
[01:22] <Cheri703> probably do the ssh -Y -C
[01:22] <Cheri703> not x
[01:25] <Unit193> Mostly asking if you would try X11 over a dialup connection
[01:25] <Cheri703> worth a shot
[01:26] <Cheri703> if it doesn't work, and you're doing it from terminal, just do ctrl c
[01:26] <Cheri703> and it'll cancel it
[01:26] <Unit193> I love screen -rx :)
[01:27] <Cheri703> yeah? I still haven't messed with it. I've been running around all day
[01:28] <Unit193> I still have pidgin open, but I mostly use screen with finch
[01:29] <Cheri703> nice
[01:30] <canthus13> Woo. screen's man page is almost 3000 lines.
[01:31] <Unit193> I didn't read it all (most are too long)
[01:31] <Unit193> Pidgin is mostly for the sound (I can't get finch to tell me)
[01:33] <canthus13> Heh. Most of the stuff you'll never use.
[01:36] <Cheri703> gotta drive home now, ttyl
[01:37] <Unit193> Bye
[01:42] <thafreak> over dialup, you want NX
[01:42] <thafreak> look at nomachine.com
[01:42] <thafreak> or freenx
[01:42] <thafreak> or neatx
[01:43] <thafreak> or, for full desktop, x2go
[01:43] <thafreak> they all use NX developed by nomachine
[01:43] <thafreak> super duper X compression...
[01:44] <thafreak> but freenx (and maybe neatx) and the nomachine stuff, all let you run a single X command over ssh...
[01:44] <Unit19P> are any of them wine?
[01:44] <thafreak> actually, maybe x2go does to
[01:44] <thafreak> no...no wine
[01:44] <thafreak> they all have native ubuntu packages
[01:44] <thafreak> freenx is being replaced by neatx (which is being developed by google no less)
[01:45] <Unit19P> Sorry, do any work on Win?
[01:45] <thafreak> oh yeah
[01:45] <thafreak> no machine has a native windows client
[01:46] <Unit19P> My grandma has one win comp (and I bet it's only a WinModem:( )
[01:47] <thafreak> OH
[01:47] <thafreak> wait, do you want to run apps on a remote win machine?
[01:47] <Unit19P> Noooo
[01:47] <thafreak> or you want to use the win machine to run apps on a remote linux box?
[01:47] <Unit19P> SSH FROM Win
[01:48] <thafreak> Gotcha, yeah, NX is probably the only chance of it working over dialup
[01:48] <Unit19P> The "server" is Lubuntu
[01:48] <canthus13> Remote lose machine.
[01:48] <thafreak> you'll probably get better milage running a single app though...but a full desktop MIGHT be doable...may be dreadfully slow
[01:49] <Unit19P> Single app is just fine
[01:49] <canthus13> A full desktop forwarded over the internet is painfully slow.
[01:49] <Unit19P> I think I was looking at NX a bit back!
[01:49]  * canthus13 accidentally did it once. (ssh -X, startx)
[01:49] <canthus13> Gnome popped up 45 minutes after I forgot about it.
[01:50] <thafreak> canthus13: you've never tried something using NX have you?
[01:50] <canthus13> Nope.
[01:51]  * canthus13 is quite happy to use cli apps for everything he does over ssh.
[01:51] <thafreak> I usually run a full desktop from my home pc at work using NX...works almost as if it were local
[01:51] <canthus13> Nice.
[01:51] <thafreak> course, we got big pipes at work...almost as big as your company probably :)
[01:52] <Unit193> Like VNC in the way of installing a server and (portable?) client
[01:52] <canthus13> Heh.  I've got 2mbit up here at home, and access to 50/10 on my play machine... access to an OC3 on my work machine.
[01:55] <Unit193> or does the X server work with it?
[01:55] <thafreak> yeah, only NX compresses much much better than vnc
[01:55] <canthus13> VNC is a bit sluggish and ugly.
[01:55] <thafreak> Well, VNC actually makes a fake X server, that your apps run as...
[01:55] <canthus13> ..And inconsistent in it's speed detection.
[01:55] <thafreak> NX does some kind of proxy magic and talks to a real x server
[01:56] <thafreak> NX is magic
[01:56] <Unit193> What server do I need to install?
[01:56] <thafreak> you seriously have to try it to believe...
[01:56] <thafreak> I would try the one from nomachine
[01:56] <Unit193> Not in the repo?
[01:56] <thafreak> it's free for personal use, and "allows 2 silmultaneous connections"
[01:57] <thafreak> nope
[01:57] <thafreak> the ones available in a repo aren't as polished...yet
[01:57] <Unit193> I use VNC all the time...
[01:57] <thafreak> and I *think* nomachine just released a brand new version, which is supposedly a huge leap forward in performance...
[02:00] <Unit193> I kinda need a portable win client... (I *can* install, but....)
[02:01] <thafreak> there's a portable nx version I thought...check portableapps.com
[02:01] <thafreak> yeah I just checked, the open NX servers aren't in the main repos still...you have to add a PPA to get them
[02:06] <thafreak> Actually, check out x2go too...that's what I use, as it has a ton of features (Remote sound, file sharing, etc)
[02:06] <Unit193> PortableApps 2X client?
[02:06] <thafreak> and ACTUALLY, there may be a web based x2go client somewhere
[02:06] <thafreak> nothing to install
[02:08] <Unit193> Portable app would be best, but install would be second (dialup = slow)
[02:19] <Unit193> Server, Client AND Node??
[02:25] <thafreak> yeah...it's goofy
[02:25] <thafreak> you could potentially split those up, and put server on one machine and node on another
[02:28] <Unit193> So install node & server on Lubuntu? (where are the repos? maybe only DEBs?)
[02:28] <thafreak> eh, actually, I just use x2go now
[02:28] <thafreak> it's much easier to install
[02:28] <Unit193> What one works best on slow connections?
[02:29] <thafreak> just the "windows client" isn't quite so simple. It installs an x server, pulseaudio, and some other stuff...
[02:29] <thafreak> They all use the same compression libraries actually
[02:29] <thafreak> so, really they're all about the same...
[02:29] <thafreak> It's just where do you want the hassle, on setting up the server part, or the windows part
[02:30] <thafreak> Oh, and also note, that the no machine version eats up CPU on your linux box...
[02:30] <thafreak> x2go has been more cpu friendly for me...
[02:31] <Unit193> server is 500MHz so CPU friendly sounds really good
[02:56] <dmcglone> Hi everyone
[02:56] <dmcglone> Cheri703: you here?
[02:56] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone!
[02:56] <dmcglone> whats up Unit19
[02:56] <dmcglone> oops
[02:56] <dmcglone> chopped your name off
[02:56] <dmcglone> darn tab key.. LOL
[02:56] <Unit193> Better then my head...
[02:57] <dmcglone> thats true
[02:57] <Unit193> Installing x2go server
[02:57] <dmcglone> I bought me a new printer today
[02:57] <Unit193> Cheri703 did too
[02:58] <dmcglone> she did
[02:58] <dmcglone> no wonder she's not responding to me, she's too busy messing with it
[03:00] <Unit193> thafreak: Does x2go work with single windows too?
[03:02] <Unit193> I think she doesn't like you....
[03:03] <Unit193> brb - SGA
[03:04] <dmcglone> Nah we're good
[03:36] <dmcglone> Well I'm gonna head out of here and get me a good nights sleep
[03:36] <dmcglone> I'll talk to ya all later
[03:36] <canthus13> later
[03:36] <dmcglone> later canthus13
[03:36] <BiosElement> canthus13, You did see that was a new bundle right? ;P
[03:40] <canthus13> Yep.  Gettin' it for my boys for christmas.
[03:40] <BiosElement> hah, awesome
[04:16] <Cheri703> anyone available to help me with some installation issues?
[04:17] <canthus13> what's up?
[04:17] <Cheri703> trying to install this: http://support-au.canon.com.au/contents/AU/EN/0100301702.html
[04:17] <Cheri703> it has an "install.sh" file in it
[04:18] <Cheri703> and when I run it, I get "An error occurred. The package management system cannot be identified"
[04:18] <Cheri703> that line exists as an output in the script, but I have NO idea why it's outputting that
[04:23] <canthus13> It's australian. run it backwards?
[04:23] <canthus13> :)
[04:23]  * canthus13 checks out the script.
[04:23] <Cheri703> well, there's this forum post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475336
[04:25] <Cheri703> and I kind of get it, but...
[04:25] <canthus13> there's your problem.. you got the australian drivers. :)
[04:25] <canthus13> (Download linke in the post says asia)
[04:26] <Cheri703> well, yes...
[04:26] <canthus13> Are you running 32 bit or 64?
[04:26] <Cheri703> 32
[04:26] <Cheri703> someone further down says that to get theirs working on 32 they had to comment out stuff too
[04:28] <thafreak> Unit193: I think x2go does support single windows too
[04:28] <canthus13> Cheri703: Did you try the commenting out part?
[04:29] <Cheri703> trying to figure it out
[04:31] <canthus13> gedit or nano install.sh, comment, save. :)
[04:31] <Cheri703> well, yeah, trying to figure out what to comment...I'll reread the thread
[04:38] <Cheri703> now I got "An error occurred. A necessary package could not be found in the proper location."
[04:39] <Cheri703> I had been looking in the wrong part of the script, but now I don't know where to look for where it is looking for the files
[04:41] <canthus13> I'd use the search function to locate one of the strings.
[04:42]  * Cheri703 doesn't know what string to look for :(
[04:42] <Cheri703> sorry for being difficult
[04:43] <canthus13> All good.
[04:43]  * Cheri703 is excited to use new printer!
[04:44] <canthus13> Search for "deb are error"  and you should find the correct code block. (No quotes)
[04:44] <Cheri703> ok
[04:45] <Cheri703> well, I got that, for the commenting, now I need to figure out why it isn't finding the file
[04:45] <canthus13> It looks like the script is a bit different...
[04:45] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:46]  * canthus13 checks the drivers from the asia server.
[04:46] <canthus13> ...although the model # appears to be different.
[04:47] <Cheri703> well, yeah, mine is a 5220
[04:47] <Cheri703> the one I downloaded is 5250
[04:47] <canthus13> Hmm.
[04:47] <Cheri703> the one in the thread is different
[04:47] <Cheri703> mg5220
[04:47] <canthus13> Yeah. I just figured that out.
[04:47] <Cheri703> sorry >.<
[04:49] <canthus13> All good. :)
[04:50] <canthus13> I dunno.. I can't find anything talking about it not working.
[04:50] <Cheri703> ok
[04:50] <Cheri703> np
[04:51] <Cheri703> I'm bugging other people about it too ;)
[06:00] <Unit193> I may end up doing what dmc did, have gnome with KDE apps....
[18:26] <paultag> If anyone cares to give me a plug for the IRC Council, I'd love it :) -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Paultag/Plugs
[19:38] <Unit193> Hello jacob!
[19:38] <jacob> heya Unit193
[19:38] <jacob> how's it goin
[19:38] <Unit193> Good I guess, you?
[19:42] <jacob> pretty good here, sleeping the day away
[19:42] <jacob> (sorry, i'm tabbing around windows catching up on things :P)
[19:45] <Unit193> Hey Cheri703
[19:46] <Cheri703> hi
[19:46] <Cheri703> I only have a few minutes :/
[19:46] <Unit193> then goodbye :D
[19:46] <Cheri703> well, I'm here for a bit
[19:51] <canthus13> Cheri703: Figure out the printer yet?
[19:51] <Cheri703> :/ not entirely
[19:54] <canthus13> Oh wow. Lexmark now supports linux officially.    It'd be nice to have something that uses cheap ink for printing invoices and such.
[19:56] <canthus13> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=lexmark_linux&num=1
[19:56] <canthus13> http://support.lexmark.com/index?page=content&id=OS4&locale=en&userlocale=EN_US
[19:56] <Cheri703> hmmmm
[19:56] <Cheri703> maybe it was just that one I had
[19:56] <Unit193> You can get cheap refills from CartridgeWorld
[19:56] <Cheri703> do they do the crappy thing hp does with the expiration dates on ink?
[19:57] <canthus13> Lexmark has been advertising 5 dollar black ink carts on Tv for a while now.
[19:57]  * Cheri703 was vaguely considering going back on her standards and contemplating an hp
[19:57] <canthus13> dunno.
[19:57] <canthus13> that's why I'm not gonna buy another hp.
[19:58] <canthus13> hp just works, though.
[19:59] <Unit193> canthus13: Do you get the normal printers (not scan/fax/network and stuff)
[20:01] <canthus13> Unit193: Nah.  I can print, but can't change resolution, can't get 99% of the features that it has
[20:01] <Cheri703> and it has a LOT of features :(
[20:01] <canthus13> Bummer.  And I suppose CUPS doesn't support it.
[20:02] <Cheri703> if brother had an mfp that would duplex, I'd get it :/
[20:03] <canthus13> I actually like my hp, but it has issues with feeding paper.
[20:04] <Unit193> Brother has good linux support?
[20:09] <canthus13> I have no idea.
[20:11] <Unit193> They seem to:http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
[20:43] <deejoe> not a bad little page for this
[20:43] <deejoe> http://www.hiren.info/pages/bios-boot-cdrom
[23:46] <Cheri703> my stupid wifi cuts out! it drives me nuts :(
[23:48] <canthus13> Cheri703: Which wireless card?
[23:48] <Cheri703> I don't know, I could look. I'm going to be sending my netbook for repairs, and one of the issues is my wireless
[23:48] <Cheri703> so hopefully it'll get fixed
[23:49] <Cheri703> but the internet cutting out affects husband too, and he's wired
[23:49] <canthus13> Ah. So it's your router.
[23:49] <canthus13> Running any torrents?
[23:50] <Cheri703> nope. and I don't think it's the router...next time it does it I'll check the modem page. I was reading stuff so didn't really notice till everything signed back in...
[23:50] <canthus13> Oh yeah.. that's right. You keep losing connection.
[23:51] <canthus13> And of course your modem doesn't keep logs, so no way to tell if there are any T4 timeouts. :P
[23:51] <_bbb_> suck
[23:51] <_bbb_> i have similar problem
[23:51] <_bbb_> with wireless bridge
[23:52] <canthus13> (T4 timeouts are bad, indicate a loss of connectivity with CMTS, and usually indicate a wiring problem between the modem and the tap.)
[23:52] <_bbb_> wet54g
[23:52] <Cheri703> yuppers
[23:52] <canthus13> wet?
[23:52] <Cheri703> it's no good
[23:52] <canthus13> shouldn't wet your bridge.
[23:52] <_bbb_> thats a lot of acronyms
[23:52] <_bbb_> cant be good
[23:53] <canthus13> CMTS = Cable Modem Termination System.  that's the hub, which serves a given area and aggregates the signals from all the nodes attached to it.
[23:54] <canthus13> Each node should serve about 200-500 customers, depending on the type of hardware serving it.
[23:55] <canthus13> A tap is basically just a heavy duty splitter, and serves 4-8 houses.
[23:55] <canthus13> Anyway.
[23:56] <canthus13> Most T4 timeouts are caused by a bad tap, bad drop, bad ground block, bad splitters in the house, or cracked/loose fittings on the cable ends.
[23:57] <canthus13> They don't get fixed unless the customer complains.  the ISP has no real way of knowing that it's going on otherwise.
[23:57] <Cheri703> yeah, next time it does it, I'm going to verify that it's them, and not mine somehow, and then call
[23:58] <canthus13> lately, though, we've been seeing T4 timeouts caused by load balancing.  Older cable modems can't handle automatic load balancing and have to drop off and reacquire their channel.
[23:58] <canthus13> Cheri703: Cool.


[11:39] <schopin> o/ This is one of my daily call for sponsoring :) LP: #1946007: a small cherry-pick from upstream for pkcs11-helper. OpenSSL 3.0 related as usual.
[11:44] <mdeslaur> schopin: LGTM, one sec, I'll upload it
[11:45] <schopin> Nice, thanks!
[12:32] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, if I understand things correctly, apport integration with snaps is currently limited to allow reporting to launchpad on a snap and collecting some informations from the store like the revision for the report? Was there any discussion so far about allowing snaps to provide hooks?
[12:56] <schopin> xnox: any plans on merging zfs-linux 2.0.6-2 ? It currently FTBFS and this should theoretically fix that :)
[13:01] <ahasenack> is anybody working on updating ust from 2.12.1 to 2.13.0? It will fix the ltt-control build (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltt-control/2.13.1-1/+build/22365825)
[13:01] <ahasenack> if not, I can probably give it a try (new package for me)
[14:41] <xypron> I am looking for a sponsor for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opensbi/+bug/1937055
[14:53] <seb128> cpaelzer, hey, the open-vm-tools fuse3 port is going to be merged upstream it seems, will you handle backporting to the distro for the transition?
[15:00] <cpaelzer> seb128: yes
[15:00] <seb128> cpaelzer, thanks
[15:00] <cpaelzer> seb128: I do open-vm-tools once per cycle and backports of them up to the last LTS
[15:05] <seb128> ack
[15:08] <cpaelzer> seb128: I'm unsure if we can wait for the next version as it might slip FF, I ahve asked on https://github.com/vmware/open-vm-tools/pull/544/ to be clear if we wait to merge the next or need to start backports now
[15:10] <seb128> cpaelzer, thanks
[15:46] <bdmurray> seb128: I don't recall any discussion like that.
[16:35] <schopin> bryceh: would you be willing to sponsor LP: #1945980 ?
[16:36] <bryceh> schopin, sure thing, will try to look at it today or tomorrow
[16:36] <schopin> thanks!
[17:19] <schopin> Hmm. How come we don't have the same optimization level on ppc64el? I have a FTBFS on tgl that only triggers on ppc64el because -O3 (I can reproduce on x86 using the flags from the build logs)
[17:20] <schopin> GCC is right to complain, it's a good old UB due to a partially-uninitialized struct, but it's a bit weird to only have it fail on that architecture.
[18:19] <RikMills> schopin: I will take care of the kopete rebuild for openssl. Either source an upstream/distro patch to fix the build, or disable the build of the plugin that is failing and not much useful any more
[18:20] <schopin> OK. I hadn't looked at it yet, thanks!
[18:20] <RikMills> np
[19:19] <seb128> schopin, I'm unsure of the reason why we divert on the optimization level, probably a question for doko
[19:22] <seb128> schopin, it's coming from there, https://git.dpkg.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git/tree/scripts/Dpkg/Vendor/Ubuntu.pm#n108
[19:23] <seb128> schopin, https://git.dpkg.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git/commit/scripts/Dpkg/Vendor/Ubuntu.pm?id=c824c49b , unsure if the reason still stands and if it regularly revisited
[20:32] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: I'm quite confident my ocrfeeder change is not what's causing the errors listed in the error tracker for phased updates
[20:33] <jawn-smith> So how should I address that?
[20:34] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: I forget was it very broken before?
[20:36] <jawn-smith> The "import pdf" function was completely broken
[20:36] <jawn-smith> other functionality of the package was fine
[20:36] <bdmurray> So subsequently we might be seeing crashes we didn't see before just because import pdf is working now?
[20:37] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: that seems reasonable to me, yes
[20:38] <bdmurray> If the phasing doesn't continue in the next run then ping me and we can override it.
[20:38] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[20:38] <bdmurray> I generally look at stopped things on Thursday and override false positives then.
[21:21] <bryceh> schopin, upload sponsored; let me know when you set up your Coredev app :-)
[21:23] <bryceh> schopin, also I noticed your mention of git-ubuntu on your motu app; would be happy to give tips if you want to learn it.
[21:45] <jawn-smith> volron: created bug 1952960 to remove lava
[21:47] <sarnold> jawn-smith: btw, most clients let you type a few letters of a name and use tab to complete the rest, eg vo<tab> --> vorlon   :)
[21:47] <jawn-smith> sarnold: would you look at that
[21:47] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[21:47] <sarnold> jawn-smith: woot :)
[21:48] <sarnold> jawn-smith: the number of times I see 'samold' :)
[21:49] <sarnold> when it's easy to tell someone doesn't know tab complete *and* has a bad font, hehehe
[21:49] <jawn-smith> hah I can imagine
[21:52] <vorlon> jawn-smith: done, cheers
[21:53] <vorlon> samold: you're gonna be seeing it more often now, let me tell you
[21:53]  * sarnold groans
[21:53] <jawn-smith> vorlon: thanks!
[21:59] <bdmurray> samold: seems like a more descriptive nick
[22:01]  * sarnold shakes his fist
[22:21] <mwhudson> can you still google for keming
[22:21] <mwhudson> boo :(
[22:23] <sarnold> aww :(
[22:26] <jawn-smith> mwhudson: there's a subreddit for it


[04:43] <barrydk> More almal
[05:11] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:35] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:36] <barrydk> Mornig mazal how are you
[05:36] <Kilos> hi mazal  barrydk
[05:36] <mazal> Ok thanx and you barrydk and Kilos ?
[05:36] <barrydk> Hi Kilos how are you
[05:37] <Kilos> good ty blowing data here
[05:37] <mazal> Blowing data ?
[05:38] <mazal> Oh , downloading ?
[05:38] <Kilos> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22519/membership-discussion/
[05:39] <barrydk> any action in there?
[05:39] <Kilos> its the video minutes of how to get more members
[05:40] <barrydk> oh not my type of movies
[05:47] <Kilos> ai!
[05:49] <Kilos> 90 m and i tick to see the irc page as well and lose the video
[05:50] <Kilos> mazal  hoekom so skaars
[05:55] <mazal> Kilos: besig met baie dinge
[05:56] <Kilos> ai!
[05:57] <Kilos> morning inetpro  spekko plustwo
[06:13] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[06:13] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos, morning to ya
[06:14] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[06:14] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:52] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[06:52] <pieter2627> morning Kilos
[06:54] <andrewlsd> Morning Jacques_Stry, pieter2627
[06:54] <pieter2627> hi andrewlsd
[07:21] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[09:01] <stickyboy> Push to githubbbbb.
[09:01] <stickyboy> Kilos: ^^^
[09:01] <Kilos> hi stickyboy
[09:06] <stickyboy> Kilos: Guten tag
[09:06] <Kilos> what ?
[09:10] <Kilos> wb CuttingEdge
[09:10] <CuttingEdge> greetings
[09:12] <stickyboy> Kilos: It's German, br0
[09:12] <Kilos> i know man
[09:12] <Kilos> zehr gut?
[09:12] <stickyboy> Kilos: I don't speak German!
[09:13] <Kilos> i know that too
[09:13] <Kilos> hehe
[09:13] <Kilos> you well stickyboy  ?
[09:13] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yah, seated in a coffee shop pushing code to GitHubbbb.
[09:14] <Kilos> nice
[09:14] <stickyboy> Kilos: Working on stuff for our institute.
[09:14] <stickyboy> s/our/my/
[09:14] <Kilos> good , at least you are doing something constructive
[09:14] <stickyboy> Oh, and Tsega updated his GitHub profile pic with a pic of the shirt I gave him. w00t http://github.com/tsega
[09:15] <Kilos> you must fight him and say why isnt he with #ubuntu-africa or gone to the site and joined the mailing list
[09:16] <Kilos> i really struggle with you guys
[09:16] <stickyboy> Kilos: Tell me about it
[09:16] <stickyboy> hahaha
[09:17] <stickyboy> Kilos: Gotta go to lunch, bbl.
[09:17] <Kilos> ok
[09:37] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:37] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[09:47] <Kilos> hi Private_User  you getting stuff going yet?
[09:48] <Kilos> oi
[09:51] <andrewlsd> o hi, Kilos
[09:51] <Kilos> hi there again
[09:51] <Kilos> hehe
[10:17] <mazal> Guys I need some info from the guys in the know. I am looking to maybe start a website. But I don't know where to start. Can someone point me in the right direction where to start investigating hosting options ?
[10:17] <mazal> Also , what app to use for the actual building. I can't code and never will , I need a WYSIWIG app that can build
[10:20] <andrewlsd> free website hosting link on its way
[10:21] <andrewlsd> yipes, my internet connection is slow
[10:21] <mazal> I heard a lot of wordpress , is that something good to try ?
[10:22] <CuttingEdge> wordpress is quite popular
[10:22] <mazal> K will invetigate that a bit
[10:22] <andrewlsd> wordpress.com will host it your [subdomain].wordpress.com gratis
[10:22] <mazal> kewl
[10:23] <mazal> Will check that out as a start thank you guys
[10:23] <andrewlsd> otherwise weebly.com
[10:24] <andrewlsd> and otherwise, FreeHostia.com
[10:24] <andrewlsd> ...  ^ that was the site I was thinking of http://www.freehostia.com/signup.html?plan=92
[10:24] <Kilos> also mazal  one year free at ec2 so you can practise
[10:24] <andrewlsd> +1 kilos
[10:26] <Kilos> sjoe what can you host on 250MB disk space? recipes
[10:38] <Kilos> oh i have a weebly site somewhere but didnt know what to do with it
[10:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:44] <pieter2627> mazal: what do you want to do with the site - or what should it be doing for you?
[10:49] <mazal> pieter2627: Information mostly bout events and such , thinking of making one for our church
[10:49] <mazal> So filled with info mostly
[10:49] <pieter2627> wordpress should be good then
[10:49] <mazal> Different sections such as events section , service notes sections etc
[10:50] <mazal> Photos section
[10:50] <mazal> It will grow with idea as I continue
[10:51] <mazal> But basic with nothing flashy , I dislike flashy websites
[10:51] <mazal> I like easy to nafigate , easy to find info , no frills web sites
[10:51] <mazal> Last time I did this though was back in 2002 , lot have changed since then :P
[10:52] <Kilos> ya you got older
[10:52] <Kilos> :D
[10:52] <mazal> And dumber
[10:52] <Kilos> lol
[10:52] <mazal> Don't learn so easy enymore , eys can't handle the screens anymore etc etc etc lol
[10:53] <Kilos> talk to mopkop when he gets back, he is writing exams atm but should be here withing a week or so
[10:53] <Kilos> he maintains his churches site
[10:54] <mazal> Most important is that the tool must be easy to use , my eyes seriously can't handle lots of typing and reading anymore
[10:54] <mazal> And I still have 18 years to go eeeeeeeek
[10:55] <pieter2627> wordpress is a CMS - you might want to read up on that to understand how it will work
[10:56] <mazal> k thanx
[10:57] <Kilos> sjoe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66wxCOCYt5Q
[10:57] <Kilos> die ballie is 20 jaar ouer as ek
[10:58] <Kilos> i think he is in durbs by the sea
[11:27] <mazal> I'm searhing for wordpress tutorials , but everyone I found so far is for blogging. That's not really what I want
[12:43] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[12:59] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[12:59]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[12:59] <Kilos> Maaz  hurry
[12:59] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[12:59] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[12:59] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks.  How are you?
[18:38] <kulelu88> Have you seen this language before: http://crystal-lang.org/ @ superfly
[18:38] <superfly> Kilos: it'll better tomorrow I think
[18:38] <superfly> kulelu88: nope. Will check it out
[18:39] <kulelu88> very interesting language
[18:41] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm too used to my python indentation. Looking at languages which use "end" gives me the shivers
[18:43] <kulelu88> superfly: I am dreaming of the day where we have a pythonic static language.
[18:43] <superfly> Isn't that what Go is supposed to be? The one from Google
[18:44] <Tonberry> Go looks mostly like C
[18:44] <superfly> I'll be honest, I don't see the point of statically typed anymore
[18:45] <Tonberry> Not even for large complicated projects with lots of people working on them?
[18:46] <superfly> Python is strongly typed enough that with good test coverage (which you should have anyway) you don't have much room for error.
[18:46] <superfly> Tonberry: define large and complicated
[18:47] <Tonberry> Ok fine my idea of large is 10 people so not really that large.
[18:48] <superfly> Tonberry: when you start working with bigger teams, tooling becomes more important than the language that your project is written in
[18:49] <Tonberry> Maybe I have just been using Go for so long that I have forgotten what it feels like to not have a compiler help me along.
[18:49] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[18:51] <superfly> I honestly haven't used it, so I really don't have an honest opinion on it. I use Python and C++ fairly extensively as part of my job, and Python always gets the job done faster with the same number of bugs.
[18:52] <superfly> I've never noticed the Python being any buggier
[18:52] <superfly> But we are test driven, and even our embedded C has tests
[18:56] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:10] <kulelu88> premature optimization will always be something people want. I tried to give Go a go but Crystal looks more interesting
[19:20] <magespawn> good evening
[19:23] <spinza> hey
[19:23] <spinza> In case you missed it: http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall
[19:34] <stickyboy> spinza: Nice.
[19:35] <stickyboy> The keynote was fantastic. Musk is a down-to-Earth guy.
[19:40] <MaNI> I still don't see w hy everyone is ranting about this
[19:40] <MaNI> I mean its cool
[19:41] <MaNI> but its not really cheaper or better than other household options - its more compact but houses usually have space
[19:41] <MaNI> maybe I'm missing something
[19:48] <magespawn> MaNI: it is from Tesla, that maes it cool
[19:48] <magespawn> s/maes/makes
[19:49] <MaNI> well anything from musk is cool, I love him as much as anyone else
[19:49] <Tonberry> well with the wattage limit on those things it definitely won't get hot
[19:49] <MaNI> its just not as cool as some of his other stuff :p
[19:51] <kulelu88> what is the battery thing from tesla? I haven't bothered to check
[19:54] <MaNI> basically he is packaging the tesla car batteries in a sexy looking wall unit and marketing it to people as a way to be less grid dependant and save money on off peak rates
[19:54] <MaNI> so its like a 10 kwh or whatever battery for your house
[19:55] <stickyboy> Anyone can sell batteries
[19:55] <stickyboy> But Musk is like... he has a vision.
[19:55] <stickyboy> And he is disrupting several industries
[19:55] <stickyboy> Especially in the US.
[19:55] <stickyboy> And he is funding lots of research and then opening the patents to the public domain.
[19:55] <stickyboy> Pretty cool
[19:56] <spinza> MaNI: is it not cheaper?
[19:56] <MaNI> spinza, no
[19:56] <spinza> haven't investigated pricing?
[19:56] <MaNI> its costs about double the amount of the lead acid or whatever equivalent, but its way less ugly and takes up less space so thats a plus I guess
[19:57] <spinza> so the the same kwh cost less in traditional
[19:57] <spinza> ?
[19:57] <MaNI> yes, ine very price comparison I've seen so far
[19:57] <spinza> how's the maintenance of the traditional bats?
[19:57] <spinza> tesla = 10y warranty
[19:58] <MaNI> also about 10 years if the system is done right
[19:58] <Tonberry> the warranty is the nicest part in my opinion
[19:59] <MaNI> i.e. you buy double the lead acid batteries you need and don't discharge below 50% often (this is still cheaper by about 50%-60%) - although again only going on other peoples pricing that i've seen as I don't know USA prices well myself
[19:59] <MaNI> (its standard practive for solar though to use double capacity like that)
[19:59] <MaNI> *practice
[19:59] <Tonberry> don't forget to keep them at 25 deg C
[19:59] <Tonberry> or lower
[20:00] <MaNI> but yeah, I suppose the upper market segment maybe cares more about looks and size than pure price - so maybe he is on to something
[20:00] <Tonberry> then again temperature will probably do bad or worse things to lithiums
[20:00] <MaNI> he seems to get everything else right
[20:02] <MaNI> I'd like to see an honest attempt at nickle iron for houses :p
[20:03] <magespawn> apple style people
[20:04] <kulelu88> not everything the visionaries do sells. google sucked with glass. apple with watch
[20:04] <MaNI> people who can afford teslas, i.e. not me :P
[20:04] <kulelu88> and south africa is a fragment of a market
[20:04] <magespawn> indeed, i would still like to get google glass myself
[20:04] <kulelu88> not even the sandton fanbois will go this far (if its like +50,000)
[20:05] <kulelu88> magespawn: buy 1 from china for 1/4 the price
[20:05] <magespawn> original?
[20:05] <kulelu88> no, but it should be a high-spec clone
[20:06] <magespawn> mmm sometimes it is better to go original
[20:06] <kulelu88> for $1000 hmmm
[20:13] <stickyboy> GraphicsMagick is so cool
[20:19] <magespawn> any body watch CSI Cyber?
[20:22] <magespawn> amaze balls
[20:23] <magespawn> i would love to meet their technical advisor, if they have one
[20:59] <magespawn> good night all


[08:56] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, are you off today? I might propose another change......
[09:28] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: feel free to propose it, but it's Saturday, I'm sure pestering me about it can wait until it isn't the weekend?
[15:23] <smartboyhw> cjwatson or others: Please pay sometime to look into https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/wubi/bug-1080090/+merge/134776
[22:32] <ynniv> Does anyone have a working preseed for a distro served by old-releases.ubuntu.com?
[22:32] <ynniv> I am trying to preseed ubuntu 7.10, but debconf seems to ignore "choose-mirror-bin mirror/http/hostname string old-releases.ubuntu.com"
[22:51] <cjwatson> ynniv: "choose-mirror-bin" should be "d-i" there, but that error wouldn't break installation, just leave some cruft on the installed system
[22:51] <cjwatson> ynniv: two possible things you might have done wrong:
[22:52] <cjwatson> ynniv: 1) you might be missing "d-i mirror/country string enter information manually" (it's "manual" in >=8.04, but 7.10 required the cumbersome "enter information manually")
[22:54] <cjwatson> ynniv: 2) I was going to have another possibility here but I've realised it's a non-issue :)
[22:54] <ynniv> hah. ok, does https://gist.github.com/4101032 look like an appropriate chunk of preseed?
[22:57] <cjwatson> seems roughly plausible
[22:57] <cjwatson> if it still doesn't work, extract and post the syslog after an installation attempt with the DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer boot parameter
[23:00] <ynniv> I'll give it a whirl. That was extremely helpful, thank you.
[23:00] <cjwatson> you're welcome
[23:19] <bg> Afternoon, folks. I'm trying to track down anything related to the build process for the netboot kernel and initrd. Anyone know if its documented anywhere?
[23:20] <cjwatson> bg: It's all in the debian-installer source package
[23:20] <cjwatson> Note that the kernel is just the regular kernel
[23:21] <cjwatson> Building the debian-installer source package in the standard way produces a variety of installer images including the netboot ones
[23:21] <bg> Awesome, thanks for the lead.
[23:22] <cjwatson> You can type 'make' in the build/ subdirectory therein to be offered a list of make targets that build single images rather than the whole lot (which takes a while)
[23:22] <bg> I'm knee deep in trying to make network installs work with 12.04 on UEFI hardware. It is a very dark place.
[23:23] <cjwatson> Yeah, there's little prospect of that yet.
[23:23] <cjwatson> It's not even clear that it works on 12.10; Steve tells me that he ran into some as-yet-undiagnosed bug in GRUB's tftp driver when he tried.
[23:24] <bg> I've got a flimsy setup that should work for our very limited deployment need, but it is not pretty.
[23:25] <cjwatson> What boot loader are you using - or are you launching the kernel directly somehow?
[23:26] <bg> UEFI grabs iPXE over TFTP (for fancy menus, other OSes, etc). iPXE downloads a grub binary with an embedded kernel+initrd.
[23:27] <bg> Using the casper vmlinuz and initrd gets me into a pretty functional state with console, but the netinst bits don't include the i915 driver, and vesafb doesn't work under UEFI
[23:29] <cjwatson> Right, so you don't have to rely on GRUB's networking drivers, which in any case weren't anything like sufficient in 12.04
[23:30] <bg> Even in upstream, the efinet http and tftp stuff exhibits mysterious hangs when attempting to download a kernel/initrd
[23:30] <cjwatson> Indeed, that was the bug I was alluding to above
[23:30] <cjwatson> Perhaps try efifb rather than the i915 driver?  It's simpler
[23:32] <bg> That's one of the things I'd like to try, but it's missing from the casper initrd so it brought me to the same conclusion: I need to build my own.
[23:32] <bg> (and that's underway! thanks again for the tip)
[23:32] <cjwatson> Yeah, though if you want netboot then surely you don't mean the casper initrd long-term?
[23:32] <cjwatson> Unless you're netbooting the live image in which case the information above is inaccurate
[23:32] <bg> I was only toying with the casper bits because I knew they worked when installing from USB
[23:33] <cjwatson> OK
[23:33] <cjwatson> To be clear, debian-installer builds the images in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[23:33] <cjwatson> (among others)
[23:35] <bg> right, which is exactly the stuff we're using for vanilla PXE deployment
[23:35] <bg> this EFI twist has been a big hurdle.
[23:36] <cjwatson> Tell me about it
[23:36] <bg> I'm curious to see how the quantal backport kernel could make things even more complicated! e.g. in 6 months when another round of new hardware shows up that requires 3.5, we'll somehow need to use the backport kernel to install 12.04.
[23:37] <cjwatson> Actually the next debian-installer image set in precise will include images built using the quantal kernel
[23:37] <cjwatson> As an option
[23:37] <bg> Oh, that's good to hear
[23:37] <cjwatson> It's needed for all the secure boot stuff
[23:38] <bg> I'm plugging my ears on that topic. Things are complicated enough without introducing signing at this point.
[23:38] <cjwatson> Yeah, don't introduce it if you don't have to
[23:39] <cjwatson> Unfortunately I only got to plug my ears for just so long
[23:39] <bg> Has the signing infra been a nightmare?
[23:39] <cjwatson> Moderately
[23:41] <cjwatson> And of course new and exciting firmware bugs
[23:44] <bg> re: your comment before about the netboot kernel being standard, does it just reuse the -generic .config?
[23:45] <cjwatson> It literally copies the kernel
[23:45] <cjwatson> No point in us rebuilding it for the installer images
[23:46] <cjwatson> And yeah, for amd64 it's the -generic kernel
[23:46] <bg> works for me!
[23:46] <cjwatson> You might possibly find http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel helpful, though you'll need to substitute heavily for Ubuntu differences
[23:47] <cjwatson> Hopefully you don't actually need to rebuild the kernel and you can skip all that and the localudebs bits
[23:47] <cjwatson> Well, providing that the kernel udebs include the modules you need
[23:47] <cjwatson> If not then you'll have to glue that in
[23:48] <cjwatson> In extremis there are various tricks in the d-i build system for adding individual files - see e.g. build/README
[23:49] <cjwatson> For a one-off that may be rather quicker
[23:49] <cjwatson> Anyway, must go ...
[23:49] <bg> Thanks so much for the help
[23:49] <cjwatson> Good luck :-)
[23:49] <bg> Frankly, given how much cjwatson@ I see on bugs/lists, you're a machine.
[23:49] <bg> I'd be lying if I said I hadn't poked in here looking for you specifically.
[23:52] <cjwatson> Heh, s/machine/insomniac/ ...
[23:53] <infinity> cjwatson: There's a difference?
[23:54] <cjwatson> You can switch machines off
[23:54] <infinity> I find a frying pan to the head can work wonders.


[00:19] <bdx> I have a few questions regarding charm configuration is there someone who might have an extra minute or two to advise me of a best practice????
[00:21] <ctlaugh_> bdx: I can try... fire away
[00:22] <bdx> ctlaugh: Thanks!
[00:23] <bdx> So I am trying to configure networking between charms in a openstack deploy
[00:23] <ctlaugh_> bdx: I have to leave in a sec, but I'll come check back soon.
[00:24] <bdx> For example nova-cloud-controller takes configs for os-admin-network, os-public-network, os-internal-network
[00:26] <bdx> In my test lab, my os-admin, os-internal, and os-publc networks are  <IP_ADDRESS>/24 <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[00:26] <ctlaugh_> ah, I haven't every successfully configured neutron... all of my work has involved nova-network.
[00:27] <bdx> My questions is this......does the machine that the charm is deployed to have to talk on all of the networks
[00:27] <bdx> i.e. os-admin, os-internal, os-public
[00:28] <bdx> Still....the question is more or less charm agnostic
[00:28] <bdx> lets use cinder as an example then
[00:29] <bdx> it takes the same 3 network params of os-admin, os-internal, and os-public
[00:29] <bdx> Must the machine that cinder is deployed to, be able to communicate on all 3 seperate networks?
[00:31] <bdx> i.e. would the cinder node need to be connected to all 3 networks somehow?
[00:35] <ctlaugh_> I believe so
[00:36] <ctlaugh_> But, I think those specific settings are related to neutron, and I'd be lying if I said I knew how to configure it correctly :)
[00:39] <bdx> ctlaugh_: thanks
[00:53] <bdx> Can anyone answer my question?????
[00:53] <bdx> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[03:34] <jumpkick> join #ubuntu
[03:34] <jumpkick> woops