[02:06] <chaotikcore> hello all
[02:16] <chaotikcore> ive got a ? for anyone who can answer it
[02:17] <ion> !
[02:25] <cody-somerville> chaotikcore, Just ask.
[02:25] <ion> It’s ok, my exclamation mark already answered his question mark.
[02:26] <chaotikcore> was talking to someone sorry..i need to know how to edit the pass prompt gui if possible in 9.10
[06:25] <m4t> is there a way to get at Hal via dbus, given the default 9.10 setup?
[06:27] <m4t> erm nm
[06:27] <m4t> i was on the session bus
[07:35] <jdong> [jdong@hideout:aa-tools/sudont]$ sudont-exec sudont_0b1bda83-e83c-41f6-bfad-8a0c49196ef8 bash
[07:35] <jdong> bash: /etc/bash.bashrc: Permission denied
[07:35] <jdong> bash: /etc/bash_completion: Permission denied
[07:35] <jdong> I have no name!@hideout:~/code/aa-tools/sudont$
[07:35] <jdong> kees: ^^ *grins* the pieces are getting somewhere!
[07:36] <kees> jdong: *rofl* sudont
[07:36] <jdong> LOL I thought it was an amusing working name!
[08:27] <jdong> [183484.258291] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at (null)
[08:27] <jdong> [183484.258291] IP: [<ffffffff8125ee7d>] aa_unpack+0xdd/0x2d0
[08:27] <jdong> [183484.258291] PGD 2e379067 PUD 5cabf067 PMD 0
[08:27] <jdong> [183484.258291] Oops: 0000 [#6] SMP
[08:27] <jdong> kees: ^^ did you know 2.6.32 seems to blow up when apparmor_parser --add is given a empty profile?
[08:27] <jdong> i.e. profile foo {}
[08:28] <jdong> I SUPPOSE technically  by apparmor.d(5) a empty profile IS a syntax error...
[08:28] <jdong> but... this is an awfully mean way of telling me!
[08:30] <ScottK> jdong: You enage in undefined behavior and anything can happing.  Just be glad it didn't eat your hard drive as a way of notification.
[08:31] <jdong> :)
[08:34] <kees> jdong: ewww
[08:34] <kees> jdong: can you open a bug for that so it doesn't get lost?
[08:34] <jdong> hahaha sure thing!
[08:37] <kees> cute.  gdm will FTBFS if there is a ~ in its version string.
[08:42] <jdong> ok kees, bug 496110 reported
[08:51] <kees> jdong: thx
[10:00] <maxb> Could someone (who is a core-dev) push lp:~maxb/ubuntu/lucid/subversion/merge into lp:ubuntu/subversion? It's already been uploaded to the archive, but bzr hasn't been updated accordingly. Thanks.
[10:00] <maxb> I've committed a final revision to the branch fixing it up to exactly what was uploaded, and have `bzr mark-uploaded` it
[10:21] <ari-tczew> hello devs, please take look at lucid's bug #494166
[11:25] <squirrelpimp> hi. i just noticed the following behaviour in thunar, the xubuntu/xfce filemanager, so please interrupt me, if i'm supposed to ask in #xubuntu-devel:
[11:27] <squirrelpimp> if i copy a large file to an usbstick, it proceeds in about 1 second for a 300 MB file (which comes from a tmpfs). Of course it ends up in the dirty buffers, so it still has to be actually written to the disk.
[11:27] <squirrelpimp> i the file is sufficiently large, the writeback exceeds the timeout when ejecting the volume right after the copy finished.
[11:28] <squirrelpimp> therefor i copy the file, open a terminal, type "sync" and wait for it to return before the umount
[11:29] <squirrelpimp> now the question: Is the behaviour in ubuntu/gnome the same? and would it make sense to have a kind of countdown in the "data is still being written" popup depicting the amount of data to be flushed to disk?
[11:29] <squirrelpimp> also is there a command to flush only buffers for a single disk?
[14:59] <RiotingPacifist> I've installed libs to /usr/local how do i get the system to use them instead of the defaults (globally,  e.g not for just a program as i launch it)?
[15:47] <RiotingPacifist> sorry to repeat this but i lost all logs for the last 30mins so if i got a reply i lost it I've installed libs to /usr/local how do i get the system to use them instead of the defaults (globally,  e.g not for just a program as i launch it)?
[16:09] <geser> they should be picked up before the ones from /usr/lib automatically (beware: having libs in /usr/local which are also packaged might cause upgrade problems later)
[16:11] <RiotingPacifist> geser: when i run lsof | grep <name of lib> it shows programs still using the old ones :S
[16:12] <RiotingPacifist> geser: never mind i've rebooted and now everything is using the new versions, not sure what i did earlier
[16:12] <geser> did you restart the program?
[16:12] <RiotingPacifist> crashed and restarted everything (but i swear i had restarted everything before, meh it works now :D)
[16:12] <geser> if it's a long running program (like a server process) you need to restart it to use the new libs
[17:19] <Gh0sty> anyone can help debugging printer driver issues? my network printer -epson alc1100- works on ubuntu 32 bit but not on 64 bit and cups does not provide me with any errors ... :(
[17:58] <RiotingPacifist> why does ubuntu dd /proc/kmsg to /var/run/kmsg instead of just changing the rights on /proc/kmsg so syslog can read it?
[18:40] <dtchen> any archive admins: what else is necessary for JACK to be promoted back into main? e.g., Does a main source package simply need to build-dep against libjack-dev?
[18:40] <dtchen> (JACK -> jack-audio-connection-kit)
[18:40] <ScottK> dtchen: Is there an approved MIR?
[18:41] <ScottK> dtchen: When you say "back into Main", I gather it was there before?  In these cases a full MIR is not always required.
[18:43] <dtchen> ScottK: discussion seems to have stalled (bug 416778 from https://wiki.ubuntu.org/MainInclusionReport/libffado)
[18:43] <ScottK> Looking
[18:44] <dtchen> also, yes, j-a-c-k was in main many releases ago. Perhaps 5.04/Hoary?
[18:48] <ScottK> dtchen: In the last comment in the bug, it seems to me that pitti says you need a MIR for jack and freebob either needs a MIR or dropped from depends.
[18:48] <ScottK> dtchen: What's the status on those things?
[18:48] <dtchen> (using pull-lp-source now)
[18:50] <dtchen> ScottK: ok, so the process for j-a-c-k appears to be blocked on the freebob build-dep, which I'll clear up
[18:50] <dtchen> ScottK: how about for libffado?
[18:51] <ScottK> dtchen: It looks like it just needs a Main dep/build-dep (which it will get when jack is promoted)
[18:51] <dtchen> ScottK: ok, thanks
[18:52] <ScottK> dtchen: Is there another bug for the jack MIR?  It appears one is needed.
[18:53] <dtchen> ScottK: will get it ironed out via ubuntustudio-devel
[18:53] <ScottK> dtchen: OK.  Good luck.
[20:33] <jdong> kees: apparmor question... Maybe PEBKAC maybe a parser bug...
[20:33] <jdong> suppose I have profile foo{ profile /bin/bar{ ... } }
[20:33] <jdong> i.e. a nested named subprofile
[20:33] <jdong> I can add this file with apparmor_parser --add and everything is happy
[20:34] <jdong> but if I pass the same file into apparmor_parser --remove, I get a "failed: profile /bin/bar doesn't exist"
[20:34] <jdong> however, profile foo and foo//bin/bar are indeed correctly unloaded.
[20:34] <jdong> Is this a bug with the parser not knowing how to handle subprofiles?
[20:34] <jdong> in my case of letting users insert and remove subprofiles, I'm concerned if I ACTUALLY have a profile called /bin/bar system-wide, apparmor would proceed to unload that.
[20:37] <jdong> scratch the latter -- it's not stupid enough to remove a same-named global profile, though it won't print out the error otherwise
[20:37] <jdong> I think it is a "cosmetic bug" -- I'll file it later
[20:38] <jdong> http://paste.ubuntu.com/340760/
[20:38] <jdong> but just as a progress update ^^ now you can pass in snippets of an AA policy file to be loaded
[20:39] <jdong> next, we'll work on --auto(magically) generating reasonable rulesets and other useful helpers that should be useful outside this project as well :)
[21:17] <nixternal> ogra: is it true, that karmic will not work on my sheevaplug?
[21:22] <wgrant> nixternal: Yes :(
[21:24] <nixternal> argh
[21:24] <nixternal> wget debian.iso
[21:24] <tormod> why is that?
[21:25] <nixternal> >= karmic is compiling armel packages with the armv6 flag it seems, whereas debian is still using armv5
[21:25] <wgrant> tormod: SheevaPlugs are only ARMv5, whereas Karmic needs ARMv6
[21:25] <nixternal> I think I have that correct
[21:25] <wgrant> And Lucid needs ARMv7+thumb2
[21:25] <nixternal> lovely
[21:26] <nixternal> i was going to go pick up 5 of the sheevaplugs for $60/ea
[21:26] <tormod> nixternal, where do you get them?
[21:26] <nixternal> rethinking that now, and looking at a few mini-itx dual-core atom boards
[21:27] <nixternal> tormod: online, but my dad told me about a local place that was showing them off to him...he just told me about them 30 minutes ago
[21:27] <wgrant> Hopefully there will be ARMv7 SheevaPlugs/OpenRDs at some point soon :/
[21:27] <nixternal> wgrant: same here...i couldn't find anything solid though
[21:27] <wgrant> nixternal: Me neither.
[21:28] <tormod> hmm they are more like 170$ here, one way or another
[21:28]  * wgrant disappears to work.
[21:28] <nixternal> wow, I have found them online for $79
[21:28] <nixternal> ebay is like $150
[21:28] <tormod> link? :)
[21:28] <nixternal> google had a link on the side when googling "sheevaplug"
[21:29] <nixternal> it might be though when you purchase more than 1, maybe if you purchase like 2 or more then they are $79/ea
[21:30] <tormod> I don't get any ads on google, I don't know if I am sad or glad
[21:30] <nixternal> lol
[21:32] <tormod> the thing is if these shops ship to europe they only use parcel services which here is 50+ then customs ??++
[21:34] <nixternal> yeah, I just noticed that as well
[21:34] <nixternal> Globalscale, $99 for the plug, $30 for the cheapest ground shipping
[21:35] <nixternal> for $60 more I can fly to their location, pick it up, and fly back home :)
[21:40] <Trewas> pricing between US and europe is sometimes ridiculous, a while ago I was planning to buy a dell monitor but then I noticed that it would have been cheaper to fly to new york (from finland) and buy it there... so I did not buy it
[21:41] <syn-ack> Trewas, Thats VAT for ya...
[21:43] <Trewas> syn-ack: that's only part of it
[21:43] <syn-ack> I'm sure. heh
[21:43] <tormod> usually they take the price in $ and uses it in €, that's the first 50%+
[21:45] <syn-ack> yikes
[21:47] <tormod> as in the example above a 100$ product imported from US can cost 200$ altogether, the shops here know this and go as high as they can
[21:47] <tormod> that's capitalism for you
[21:48] <tormod> uh, free market I mean


[00:53] <joethrun[m]> Hello.  I'm a complete greenhorn looking at the possibility of using Ubuntu Studio for a DAW.  Can you recommend a low latency interface of reasonable quality that will work well with Ubuntu Studio?  I plan on using software synths, guitar amp simulators and recording voice, so I do not want latency to rear its ugly head ever.
[00:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm partial to my Behringer UMC404HD. Hard to go wrong with that or it's siblings.
[01:00] <joethrun[m]> I noticed a fella here in this short thread (Forsland) who is getting 2.67 ms latency:  https://discourse.ardour.org/t/ardour-jack-settings-for-firewire-interface/103261/2                                            Is Firewire something that is worth pursuing?  Or, is it dead?
[01:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> FireWire devices are no longer manufactured. We don’t support them in Ubuntu Studio unless they happen to work with ALSA, which is a crapshoot at best anymore.
[01:05] <joethrun[m]> What kind of round trip latency figures are possible with the Behringer UMC line?  What about the MOTU M4?  or the UR22c?
[01:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Theoretically, you could get as low as 2ms latency with any USB devices. You can go lower with PCI, but that gets expensive.
[01:06] <joethrun[m]> how expensive?
[01:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> $500 or more.
[01:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Honestly, unless you’re engineering live audio, you don’t need extremely low latency.
[01:08] <joethrun[m]> well, I would like to avoid hardware monitoring
[01:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Understood, but the human ear can get used to latency as high as 10-20ms.
[01:10] <joethrun[m]> I would like to stay under 8 ms for large, involved, multitrack projects
[01:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> That’s completely doable with the right PC and interface. Shutting-off Bluetooth and WiFi are musts, and a dedicated graphics card also offloads some of the CPU power.
[01:13] <joethrun[m]> I'm looking at building a computer with a Ryzen 9 3900x, solid state drives, and enough ram, so I should be covered there.  You think USB would be good enough to get the job done?
[01:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> Definitely. I’ve used USB in live environments.
[01:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Make sure it’s a professional interface though. The run-of-the-mill USB audio cards for <$10 won’t cut it.
[01:16] <joethrun[m]> any experience with the MOTU M2 or M4?  I saw this review, but I'm not sure if he is using it to do multitrack, full duplex studio work:  https://panther.kapsi.fi/posts/2020-02-02_motu_m4
[01:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nope. I’ve only used my Behringer and the interface in a Behringer X32/Midas M32.
[01:19] <joethrun[m]> Does Behringer actually have a linux driver?  The brand seems to be popular with linux users and I noticed they have had Ardour bundled with some of their interfaces in the past
[01:20] <joethrun[m]> Are all the class compliant interfaces the same as far as Ubuntu studio is concerned?
[01:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Behringer uses Linux in their consoles. I just told you that I have used Behringer with my setup.
[01:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> In Linux, much like Mac, there are no drivers mostly. Things just work.
[01:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> All class compliant devices should work natively.
[01:24] <joethrun[m]> can any of the interfaces with dsp be capitalized on in Ubuntu Studio?  In other words, can the onboard DSP be utilized?
[01:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Do you mean, like, using the DSP as if it were the PC’s DSP?
[01:28] <joethrun[m]> I mean like the DSP onboard the Yamaha UR22c for example.  It is used for mixing, amp simulation, reverb, compression etc.  Mostly for monitor mixing
[01:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> That would be something where the manufacturer would have to supply a driver and software. We don’t support anything outside of the Ubuntu repositories.
[01:31] <joethrun[m]> As someone who is unfamiliar with linux, and wants the most trouble free experience, is their any key advice you can give me for building a linux DAW.  I'm concerned I might be over my head with linux.
[01:32] <joethrun[m]> I can slap syntax into a CLI, but that's about it
[01:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> You have nothing to lose by just trying it. You don’t even have to install it.
[01:33] <joethrun[m]> true true true.  Thank you so much for your valuable time sir
[01:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Glad to help.
[02:00] <OvenWerks> the xr16/18 can have the dsp controled by linux
[02:00] <OvenWerks> the x32/m32 can as well.
[02:01] <OvenWerks> The A & H QU series can be controled by linux (and the new one but it is 96k only)
[02:01] <OvenWerks> the MOTU avb series can be controled by linux as well
[02:02] <OvenWerks> basically anything that can be controled by OSB, midi or broswer will work.
[04:17] <Goop> I am trying to create a virtual microphone, which takes desktop application sound, along with a real microphone sound, and output them into the virtual microphone, into my web conferencing (Jitsi). This is all on Ubuntu/Linux.
[04:46] <StevenJayCohen> Goop: So you're just trying to loop sound out back to an input source, right?
[04:47] <Goop> Right
[04:47] <Goop> StevenJayCohen, yes. I am trying to combine both application sound and microphone sound with the input source.
[04:48] <StevenJayCohen> So, a simple loopback
[04:48] <StevenJayCohen> https://askubuntu.com/questions/257992/how-can-i-use-pulseaudio-virtual-audio-streams-to-play-music-over-skype


[11:48] <Guest3509> hello
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:50] <Zax> Does anyone know when they are going to get the real Kubuntu Torrent up on the website?
[18:51] <Lofful> It's currently just a placeholder: https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads/_wp_link_placeholder
[18:52] <oerheks> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[18:53] <oerheks> oh i see
[18:54] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/24.04/release/kubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[18:55] <Lofful> Thanks, I got it; just wondering when the website is gonna be updated for the masses
[18:55] <oerheks> have fun, i hope an editor of the website reads this too
[20:37] <administrador> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu 24.04 and Muon is missing, and can't install  it via apt or Discover
[20:38] <administrador> is it depreceated?
[20:38] <administrador> E: Unable to locate package muon
[20:40] <bprompt> hmmm
[20:40] <bprompt> administrador: I was thinking Discover is the new Muon, no?
[20:40] <bprompt> not that I use either
[20:41] <oerheks> yes, muon is old
[20:41] <administrador> oh...
[20:42] <bprompt> I mean, I don't use them to install stuff, but I've run them
[20:44] <bprompt> administrador: https://apps.kde.org/muon/     <------ notice the red-banded-text
[20:49] <administrador> well, I guess I'll just install stuff via the Terminal...
[20:51] <valorie> discover works really well, and I often use it just to test
[20:51] <valorie> it will update flatpaks and snaps (?) too
[20:51] <valorie> otoh konsole is faster, especially with yakuake
[20:52] <valorie> f12 - up arrow, boom, done
[20:52] <valorie> but then you have to do the other stuff too, which... fine
[20:52] <valorie> muon is long gone
[20:53] <valorie> aptitude probably still exists just like IRC does!
[20:57] <bprompt> well, there's also Synaptic
[20:59] <oerheks> not sure that can handle flatpak and snap?
[23:25] <valorie> oerheks: it updates my flatpaks
[23:26] <valorie> but my install is so new dunno about snaps - this install is the first time I've used them
[23:26] <valorie> they seem to be far less buggy these days
[23:32] <valorie> not surprising; Scarlett our current lead maintainer is the queen of snaps for kde software
[23:40] <oerheks> snaps give settings, in gnome, an argument against flatpak, that needs flatseal or the like https://flathub.org/apps/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal


[00:00] <krytarik> adrian_1908: Just the usual, yes.
[00:00] <adrian_1908> Ok, thanks!
[00:01] <Unit193> Just wondering, what'd you hit?
[00:04] <adrian_1908> Unit193: The Whisker button doesn't trigger anymore when I'm in the bottom-corner of the screen (bottom-left in my case). It flickers. Favourites within the Whisker menu are hard to re-order, as they immediately drop when I try to drag&drop them. I think the two are related.
[00:30] <Unit193> Ah I see, not a package I really use.
[06:58] <xubuntu46d> help
[06:59] <xubuntu46d> join
[06:59] <xubuntu46d> canyou help me?
[06:59] <flocculant> xubuntu46d: just ask the question - if anyone can help they will
[07:00] <xubuntu46d> help
[07:00] <xubuntu46d> ???
[18:21] <xubuntu85i> Vietnamese here, people?
[21:27] <xubuntu37w> why touchpad is not working after clean install?


[11:01] <newbii> Hi people, I have a problem with my freshly installed bionic beaver gnome desktop. Gnome overlaps the icons on my dektop. That is, I range icons as I like on the desktop, then after reboot they are mostly in the same order, but each time some of thes change the position and are exactly at the same place, one over another. (I did not have this issue in the previous ubuntu releases) . Any help?--


 im always being kicked from the same room for no reason     that is not a good statement to say hallo in a channel
[01:15] <bazhang> heh
[05:42] <rww> !mask
[05:42] <rww> "Lastly, note that a cloak does not guarantee that your IP address remains hidden. If this is very important to you, we'd suggest that you look at the Tor hidden service." ~ freenode
[05:43] <rww> given that, and the various methods for revealing user IPs, the factoid should probably be changed
[05:45] <Flannel> rww: I won't tell you about !cloak
[05:45] <rww> !cloak
[05:45] <rww> !-mask
[05:45] <rww> !-cloak
[05:45] <rww> !-hostmask
[05:45]  * rww facepalms
[05:45] <Flannel> hehe
[05:46] <rww> !no, mask is <alias> cloak
[05:46] <rww> !no, mask is <alias> cloak
[05:46] <rww> !no, unaffiliated is <alias> cloak
[05:46] <rww> !no, unaffiliated is <alias> cloak
[05:46] <rww> !no, cloaks is <alias> cloak
[05:46] <rww> !no, cloaks is <alias> cloak
[05:46] <rww> !no, gateway is <alias> cloak
[05:46] <rww> !no, gateway is <alias> cloak
[05:46] <rww> !-hostmask
[05:47] <rww> wait what
[05:47] <rww> !-cloak
[05:47] <Flannel> I agree what.
[05:47] <rww> goddamn bot
[05:47] <Flannel> Oh, actually, I think I recognize this.
[05:47] <Flannel> You can't edit aliases in a channel? is that true? I think so.
[05:47] <Flannel> and also don't get rid of madpilots factoid :(
[05:48] <Flannel> but I think if you do it in a query, you'll have more luck.
[05:48] <rww> didn't help
[05:49] <rww> @whoami
[05:49] <Flannel> ooh wait.
[05:49] <Flannel> let me look, I figured this out once, now I'm thinking maybe the second one isn't a "no".  But let me look at my logs.
[05:49] <rww> i should just alias hostmask to cloak
[05:52] <Flannel> rww: I think it's a lack of ! in query that does it.
[05:52] <Flannel> the "no, " is still there.
[05:52] <Flannel> (and you'll get "I'll remember that" confirmation)
[05:53] <rww> i tried with both
[05:53] <rww> will try again
[05:53] <Flannel> mmm, no, I've got some with ! that still work.
[05:53] <Flannel> Strange.
[05:53] <Flannel> Give me one to try and I'll see if it works for me.
[05:53] <rww> !no, hostmask is <alias> cloak
[05:53] <rww> !mask
[05:53] <rww> i win.
[05:54] <rww> !cloak =~ s/ubuntu/Ubuntu/
[05:54] <rww> !cloak =~ s/, for/. For/
[05:54] <rww> !cloak
[05:54] <Flannel> Is "you need to be registered" really relevant?
[05:54] <rww> you also need to have an email set :3
[05:55] <rww> although i guess it doesn't say that *shrug*
[05:55] <Flannel> That's why I wonder if the other link would be better
[05:55] <rww> other link doesn't really add much
[05:56] <Flannel> ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks with a bit about #ubuntu-irc vs #freenode)
[05:56] <rww> idk, i'm trying to finish this nethack level before going to bed
[05:56] <Flannel> It says you need a registered account, verified email, etc.
[05:56] <Flannel> haha, ok
[18:14] <OerHeks> Hi, i am in #ubuntu and jortana is spamming in PM >  show gratis (solo hooy) --> http:// etc
[18:15] <bazhang> thanks OerHeks
[18:16] <OerHeks> Thank you, bazhang , and have a nice day :-)
 Does anyone know if an internal second SATA HDD can be hot plugged?
[19:13] <bazhang> internal?
[19:13] <Pici> Like, on the motherboard.
[19:13] <bazhang> yep
[19:13] <bazhang> like with an open case, on a running computer
[19:14] <CarlFK> I just added a sata cable hanging out the back so I can do exactly that
[19:14] <bazhang> @random safe supersafe
[19:15] <bazhang> I always leave uncapped spritzer waters on top of open cased running computers
[19:18] <Pici> My NAS actually has a USB socket on the motherboard.
[19:19] <bazhang> my router can run without a computer, with just a hdd (internal torrent sw)
[19:19] <Pici> It's actually pretty handy for FreeNAS so I don't need to allocate any disk space to that, and I don't need to worry about losing the stick.
[19:19] <bazhang> nice
[20:28] <popey> I hot plug my sata drives all the time
[20:29] <popey> (when I accidentally kick the eSATA cable out) ☹
[20:37] <bazhang> hehe
[20:39] <phunyguy> in fact freenas recommends you don't install to a physical disk, rather use USB image for easy upgrades
[20:40] <Pici> Yep, its just nice to not have to worry about accidentally bumping the usb stick out, or similar.
[20:40] <phunyguy> meh I don't use it anymore
[20:41] <phunyguy> but yeah that feature is nice.    Just as long as it is there when you reboot.  The entire OS loads to RAM and then the USB stick is ignored.
[20:42] <genii> Pici: They make physical lock devices for USB, we use them when we demo things off of USB stick and don't want someone to pocket it
[20:50] <popey> FWIW (when you hear people moan about btrfs) I have more than once had cable fall out between server and 8-disk array. No data loss yet. btrfs is _awesome_
[20:50] <popey> (yes, I have recently purchased better cables)
[22:31] <genii> k1l: Gah, Wubi
[22:31] <Unit193> KIll it.
[22:31] <k1l> genii: he wants to uninstall it :)
[23:42] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu infamy advertising
[23:58] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu ManicLeftist spam


[00:08] <lindol> hi all
[01:18] <lindol> ~.~
[09:31] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, hi
[09:32] <darkxst> copy text: presumably means like copy + paste text
[09:32] <darkxst> cutting edge: is like brand new/leading technology
[09:33] <LinDol_phone> yeah, I have learned it already.:)
[09:33] <LinDol_phone> thank you.
[09:33] <LinDol_phone> ;)
[09:38] <LinDol_phone> I am waiting for review to confirm it, After finishing to translate ;)
[09:39] <LinDol_phone> thank you darkxst for giving me chance.
[09:39] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, great! and no problem
[10:41] <octoquad> darkxst, do you see anything strange here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12499531/ Re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/+bug/1494201
[10:42] <octoquad> two calls to update-initramfs so not sure if there is a problem somewhere else now
[10:42] <octoquad> Hi LinDol_phone
[10:47] <LinDol_phone> octoquad, hi ;)
[10:48] <darkxst> octoquad, looks ok
[10:56] <octoquad> darkxst, then there is nothing to due then?
[10:56] <darkxst> octoquad, all I can think of that their upgrades borked and had stuck packages not yet configured
[10:57] <octoquad> darkxst, I get plymouth text in VM so unable to confirm if it works correctly though
[10:57] <octoquad> darkxst, ok, should I just mark as invalid?
[10:57] <darkxst> plymouth works in vmware with 3d enabled
[10:58] <octoquad> interesting, i'll give that a bash then. vbox has 3d acceleration enabled. wierd
[11:01] <Inoki> Guys I just purged gnome3 and staging PPAs, but when I open dconf-editor and look for the mouse in peripherals, I see only the speed string, nothing else. That normal? Was the same under 3.16.
[11:03] <darkxst> Inoki, the settings moved
[11:03] <darkxst> org.gnome.desktop.peripherals
[11:03] <Inoki> darkxst: thanks a ton!
[11:04] <Inoki> That's what I get for having used Unity...
[11:04] <darkxst> Inoki, I moved them in unity also
[11:04] <darkxst> well Unity inherited the move
[11:06] <darkxst> octoquad, vbox 3d drivers are absolute rubbish, vmware has a nice (and in mainline kernel) gallium based driver
[11:06] <Inoki> Yeah, I was used to them appearing immediately after I type in "periph" in dconf, now I had to double-Enter.
[11:06] <Inoki> A bit confusing but all good in the end.
[11:06] <Inoki> btw darkxst, you guys aware of the notification glitches in 3.16?
[11:07] <darkxst> no
[11:09] <Inoki> Not many perhaps use Empathy, I started now and noticed, that when I connect to IRC I just couldn't get the notifications out of the notification tray by just clicking the "x" on them, I had to open manually each window and clear its contents several times before they disappeared.
[11:09] <Inoki> Also, hovering over a contact in Empathy gave strange blinking pop-ups.
[11:09] <Inoki> I reverted back to 3.14 and now it's all good.
[11:10] <Inoki> Also, another thing - in 3.16 sometimes shades from under windows appeared rough, not smooth as they should. they even formed a box around the normal window with a visible stroke.
[11:13] <darkxst> Inoki, are you using 3.16 on 15.04?
[11:13] <Inoki> darkxst: I was, up until now.
[11:13] <Inoki> darkxst: I just reverted back.
[11:13] <darkxst> I would strongly suggest upgrading to 15.10 at this point
[11:14] <Inoki> I will, but even so, since it's recommended to purge those PPAs before an upgrade to a greater version I removed them.
[11:15] <Inoki> While we're at it, you could have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/HowTo/UpgradeGnomeShell if you haven't done so darkxst, to verify I wrote everything correct.
[11:15] <darkxst> Inoki, did you see my email an hour ago?
[11:16] <Inoki> Not sure, gonna check now.
[11:16] <darkxst> also gnome3 is considered stable and contains the last missing bits that did make it into the proper archives
[11:16] <darkxst> gnome3-staging is the one more for testing, but we declare it stable around 3.xx.1 release
[11:17] <Inoki> Now checking the email...
[11:18] <Inoki> Right, gonna update the article now.
[11:28] <Inoki> darkxst check now
[11:29] <darkxst> Inoki, you missed the -get and the caret "^"in apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop^
[11:30] <darkxst> "ppa-purge doesn't remove added repositories completely, only disables them," <- software-updater
[11:30] <Inoki> Not necessary imo. I use it always without and it works.
[11:30] <Inoki> I install everything with sudo apt install <package>
[11:30] <Inoki> It even shows install progress that way.
[11:31] <darkxst> Inoki, it is neccesary
[11:31] <darkxst> it can pull in Unity stuff if done as a normal install
[11:31] <Inoki> Ok, I'll change it then.
[11:32] <darkxst> Inoki, you have the Just to be safe section completely backward!
[11:33] <Inoki> Huh? How is that?
[11:33] <darkxst> ppa-purge removes the packages and disables the ppas
[11:33] <darkxst> that is ok
[11:33] <darkxst> but software-updater only disable ppa's, and many people just assume that is enough
[11:33] <Inoki> I meant it doesn't remove the repos themselves, only disables them
[11:33] <Inoki> But it removes packages
[11:33] <darkxst> especially if they have done upgrades before
[11:35] <darkxst> "The Software updater only disables PPA's and doesn't remove the actual packages, this can cause issues with the upgrades if you are using gnome3-staging, so make sure you ppa-purge before upgrade"
[11:35] <Inoki> So I'll write that ppa-purge disables PPAs and removes their packages, but it's necessary to open up Software & Updates to manually navigate to those sources and remove them completely.
[11:35] <darkxst> or something
[11:35] <darkxst> no, ppa-purge is enough
[11:35] <darkxst> but ofter people don't do that
[11:36] <darkxst> because they have seen the messages in the updater saying ppa's are being disabled before
[11:39] <darkxst> Inoki, and it should probaly go in the Install section, so they actually read it when installing!
[11:41] <Inoki> darkxst: easy, calm down dude :)
[11:41] <Inoki> darkxst: it should be in users' interest to read instructions carefully. If they don't do so no matter what we do we won't change the fact that they screwed up, not us.
[11:41] <darkxst> here:
[11:41] <darkxst> Just to be perfectly safe next you upgrade
[11:41] <darkxst> The Software updater only disables PPA's and doesn't remove the actual packages, this can cause issues with the upgrades if you are using gnome3-staging, so make sure you ppa-purge before upgrade to a new distro release
[11:42] <darkxst> and move it up to below Reboot
[11:42] <darkxst> remove the other bits
[11:42] <Inoki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/HowTo/UpgradeGnomeShell#Just_to_be_perfectly_safe
[11:45] <Inoki> Dude, if you have issues with it, to make it to your image log in to that page and change it however you want, because we can argue like this till the end of the day and nothing gets solved. You're confusing the heck of me in the morning.
[11:47] <darkxst> ok
[11:57] <octoquad> :)
[12:24] <darkxst> ricotz webkit build failed at 85% in the end, but looks like its just due to a missing dep for gdkwayland
[12:25] <darkxst> because I of course wasn't building that
[12:26] <darkxst> not sure why i'd disabled it though!
[12:28] <ricotz> darkxst, probably missing cairo-gl
[12:29] <ricotz> meaning no 2.9.92+ in ubuntu without having cairo building its gl/egl backend
[12:31] <darkxst> idk, I had the gtk wayland backend disable in jhbuildrc for some reason
[12:32] <ricotz> ok
[12:33] <darkxst> but the missing cairo gl backend does sound like it could cause problems
[12:33] <ricotz> I havent looked further into this linker problem yet
[18:38] <ricotz> darkxst, heh, do you recognize the problem ;) https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218409229/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.mozjs38_38.2.1~rc0-0ubuntu1~15.10~wfg0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:39] <ricotz> jfyi
[18:39] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~wfg/+archive/ubuntu/0ad.dev/+packages?field.name_filter=mozjs38&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=


[06:20] <fabbione> hey tmarble
[06:20] <fabbione> you are up late for your area
[06:20] <tmarble> hi fabbione
[06:20] <tmarble> yeah 12:20am
[06:20] <fabbione> how is going?
[06:20] <tmarble> trying to fix a last minute package for Feisty :)
[06:24] <fabbione> ehhe
[06:24] <fabbione> i am back to work today and i already feel that i need more holidays


[00:52] <elkan76> Hi!
[00:58] <elkan76> I 've a doubt, on september 12th an update, drops down my wifi, and i report the bug (#269533), today another update was fixiing the bug (#259816) fix my wifi , but a half hour later it drops down like the first time, i repport this and go tu the second bug tu link them because the work to fix it has effects on my system. I'm using the proposed kernel.
[03:10] <philsf> where can I get the kernel 2.6.27, that is mentioned in possibly all kernel related bug reports, for hardy?
[03:10] <nullack> Hi kernel team :) Does the intrepid alpha kernel have any debugging code that would slow it down
[03:10] <nullack> Im trying to chase down some performance problems
[03:12] <nullack> philsf Such a configuration would be unsupported and would need to be compiled by you
[03:12] <nullack> philsf Intrepid has that kernel revision but its Alpha software so it comes with the usual caveats
[03:13] <philsf> so, the ubiquous message from ogasawara across the bug reports actually calls for intrepid testing, and not just the kernel?
[03:13] <nullack> yep, no .27 in hardy
[03:13] <philsf> what about the bugs in hardy, won't they be fixed?
[03:13] <nullack> They might be as backports
[03:14] <philsf> I see, thanks for the info, then
[03:15] <philsf> nullack: as a side question, some bugs I subscribe to are considered "fixed" because they no longer appear in intrepid. Shouldn't hardy deserve the fix as well, being LTS?
[03:16] <nullack> philsf If the fix works in Intrepid then it might be considered for backporting onto Hardy
[03:16] <philsf> nullack: what can I do, as a user, to make it happen?
[03:17] <nullack> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[03:18] <philsf> well, duh, I should've known better by now :) thanks again
[03:19] <wgrant> nullack: No. That's not for backporting fixes.
[03:20] <wgrant> Important fixes may be SRUed, but Ubuntu Backports are not for fixing bugs.;
[03:21] <nullack> wgrant : Wouldnt a new version of a package be backport? The difference between SRU and Backports isnt clear to me
[03:22] <wgrant> SRU is for fixing bugs.
[03:22] <wgrant> Backports are for new version.
[03:22] <wgrant> Kernels will not be backported.
[03:22] <wgrant> Backports will not be granted to fix bugs.
[03:23] <nullack> wgrant : So an SRU could involve a version upgrade by fixing a bug? Whereas a backport is to get new features offered in new versions?
[03:23] <wgrant> An SRU will involve only the minimal patch needed to fix the bug.
[03:23] <wgrant> Unless you are Mozilla.
[03:23] <nullack> wgrant : right, thanks mate for helping me understand :) Makes sense from a regression point of view
[03:24] <wgrant> Yes. We do not do crazy things like some other distros.
[03:24] <philsf> and yet are no so conservative as debian
[03:24] <philsf> *not
[03:25] <wgrant> With regard to SRUs we are rather close.
[03:25] <wgrant> Except that they do them all at once.
[03:26] <philsf> is the -updates repo only for SRUs, or are there other kind of updates there? It's a rather dynamic repo there
[03:26] <wgrant> -updates is only for SRU.
[03:26] <wgrant> +s
[03:27] <wgrant> Well, security updates are also copied into there now for various reasons, but they're generally even more conservative.
[05:28] <lukehasnoname> bug #59695
[05:53] <nullack> Im trying to chase down some performance problems in Intrepid. Can any kernel folk advise me if the Intrepid Alpha has debug code in it slowing it down?
[05:54] <nullack> i.e. The Alpha kernel
[06:04] <TheMuso> nullack: I wouldn't think so. I think the debug code for the kernels is in a separate package.
[06:04] <TheMuso> However, I am not a kernel dev, so don't know for sure.
[06:10] <nullack> TheMuso : Thanks, btw, Im on your PPA for PA, working well
[06:11] <TheMuso> nullack: Sounds good, however I think 0.9.10 will be used for intrepid. Too many regressions from other users that need addressing at he alsa level.
[06:11] <TheMuso> As well as stream switching, and usb card/speakers issues.
[06:12] <nullack> TheMuso : yep thats why having test coverage as wide as possible is important :)
[06:12] <TheMuso> nullack: Totally.
[06:12] <TheMuso> Maybe for jaunty.
[15:02] <persia> Good day.  I've some questions about kernel packaging, and hoped someone could direct me.
[15:03] <persia> Firstly, I've noticed that the linux-meta package seems to be arch-dependent, rather than arch: all.  I wondered if this was due to convenience of packaging with the git tree, or was chosen to meet the constraints of "depending on the latest kernel".
[15:04] <persia> Also, I've noticed that the various ports all seem to have linux-$(architecture) as the name of the package.  Would it be sensible for an arch-dependent metapackage to also provide "linux" that depends on e.g. "linux-powerpc"?
[15:04] <persia> Lastly, I'm wondering how the -meta packages are tracked.  Is there a script that pulls them out of git, or are they handled as source packages directly?


[12:39] <jgonzalez> hi there, is this the right channel to do questions about doing automated installations using preseeding?
[12:40] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: yep
[12:46] <jgonzalez> sorry to reapear the question, I got disconnected...
[12:46] <jgonzalez> hi there, is this the right channel to do questions about doing automated installations using preseeding?
[12:48] <soren> It is.
[12:50] <jgonzalez> I'm trying to automate installation of servers for my customers, so I provide default values for almost everything but things like hostname and domain. Domain seems to be a medium priority question, so I don't get the chance to change it unless I specify debconf=medium, but in that case I get the installer menu and the installation is no longer automatic... is there any way to change the priority of a question using preseeding?
[12:53] <cjwatson> firstly, no
[12:53] <cjwatson> secondly, priority isn't relevant to whether you can preseed something
[12:54] <cjwatson> thirdly, you're probably running into http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343269, unfortunately
[12:54] <ubotu> Debian bug 343269 in netcfg "hostname/domain name preseeding is quite broken" [Normal,Open]
[12:54] <cjwatson> unless you're trying to provide a default but intentionally have the question asked to whoever's monitoring the installation?
[12:55] <cjwatson> unfortunately that isn't possible at the moment; 8.04 will be better in this regard because it asks the domain question at priority high if you're doing static network configuration
[12:56] <jgonzalez> that's what I'm trying to do... I provide a meaningless default, and I want hostname and domain to be filled up in every installation
[12:56] <jgonzalez> is there any way to do this?
[12:58] <jgonzalez> so there's no way to fix this using 7.10?
[12:58] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: one moment
[12:58] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: are you installing from the network or from a CD?
[12:58] <jgonzalez> from a CD
[12:58] <jgonzalez> I use chained preseeding
[12:59] <jgonzalez> a pressed file in the CD and another one from the Internet
[12:59] <cjwatson> wow, complex
[12:59] <cjwatson> ok
[12:59] <jgonzalez> I just wanted to avoid having to burn new CDs if we change anything in the default values
[12:59] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: are you using DHCP or static configuration?
[12:59] <jgonzalez> static
[13:00] <jgonzalez> in the CD preseeding file I just preseed the network providing default values and asking the questions any way (seen false)
[13:01] <jgonzalez> I preseed the rest in the file located in the Internet
[13:03] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: ok, a very nasty approach is to have preseed/early_command re-ask the question by hand
[13:03] <cjwatson> something like this:
[13:03] <cjwatson> . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule
[13:04] <cjwatson> db_input critical netcfg/get_hostname
[13:04] <cjwatson> HOSTNAME="$RET"
[13:04] <cjwatson> db_input critical netcfg/get_domain
[13:04] <cjwatson> DOMAIN="$RET"
[13:05] <jgonzalez> umm... should I save the last 5 lines as a shell script and invoke it using early_command?
[13:05] <cjwatson> and then substitute $HOSTNAME and $DOMAIN back into at least /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hostname, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hosts
[13:05] <cjwatson> you'll probably want to make your dummy preseeded ones be easily substitutable using 'sed -i'
[13:05] <cjwatson> shell script> yes
[13:06] <jgonzalez> and then another script making the substitutions and invoked using late_command?
[13:06] <cjwatson> something like 'sed -i "s/DUMMYHOSTNAME/$HOSTNAME/g; s/DUMMYDOMAIN/$DOMAIN/g" /etc/network/interfaces /etc/hostname /etc/resolv.conf /etc/hosts'
[13:06] <cjwatson> no, it has to be in the same script
[13:06] <cjwatson> you might need to wrap that in a loop to detect whether the files exist
[13:07] <jgonzalez> buf... I guess you can't turn 8.04 into 8.03, can you? :P
[13:07] <cjwatson> no :-)
[13:07] <cjwatson> if you're wondering why this is in early_command that's because this is editing the files used by the installer itself which are then copied over to the target system later
[13:07] <jgonzalez> yes, I guessed so
[13:08] <jgonzalez> ok, I'll try it, thank you very much
[13:08] <cjwatson> let me produce a better version
[13:08] <cjwatson> the suggestion above is a bit buggy
[13:09] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4709/ should be a bit better
[13:09] <cjwatson> totally untested though
[13:10] <jgonzalez> ok, I'll give it a try, thank you very much
[13:31] <xivulon> Would it be possible to append (cat) the md5sum of an ISO to the ISO file itself? So that the last n bytes are the checksum of the preceeding chunk?
[13:38] <cjwatson> it *might* be technically possible but who knows what a non-standard approach like that would break
[13:39] <cjwatson> a phenomenal amount of software deals with ISO-9660 file systems and trying to invent extensions in ways not provided by the standard isn't a good plan IMO
[13:48] <xivulon> agreed
[13:50] <xivulon> would you say that if I check squashfs.filesystem I should catch most of the issues with corrupted CDs?
[13:54] <cjwatson> yes
[13:54] <xivulon> good
[14:40] <xivulon> Other cryptoquestion, it would be nice to verify remote metalinks. I was thinking of using a cross-compiled version of gpgv with a keyring embedded within wubi.
[14:41] <xivulon> Then always download XYZ.metalink + XYZ.metalink.sig. Is such approach reasonable?
[14:59] <jgonzalez> where should I put scripts invoked using preseed/early_command or preseed/late_command?
[14:59] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: I'd use /tmp
[15:00] <jgonzalez> cjwatson... can I include the script in the remastered CD and invoke it using a full path? kind of /cdrom/whatever/script.sh
[15:00] <cjwatson> sure
[15:01] <jgonzalez> ummm
[15:02] <jgonzalez> what about hosting the script in the same place where the second preseed file is? I mean kind of http://myserver.com/path/to/script.sh? would that work?
[15:03] <jgonzalez> no answer :) gonna try it
[15:04] <cjwatson> no, that won't work, though you can have a trivial wrapper in early_command that wgets something and then runs it
[15:05] <cjwatson> p.s. a one-minute delay isn't "no answer" ...
[15:05] <jgonzalez> cjwatson, sorry, wans't my intention, I appreciate a lot your help :)
[15:06] <cjwatson> :)
[16:12] <saispo> hi
[16:13] <saispo> cjwatson: it's possible to deactivate automatic generation of xorg.conf in the debian installer ? my metapackage install it and write an xorg.conf automaticaly...
[16:40] <cjwatson> saispo: that's not an installer function as such; the xserver-xorg package does it in its postinst
[16:40] <cjwatson> saispo: I don't think there is, and I think you should probably just write over it after xserver-xorg has been installed; but for an authoritative answer you should consult the X team
[16:42] <saispo> ok, thanks, i try with some directive in preseed, will test :)
[16:48] <jgonzalez> cjwatson: I've tried using the script you gave me, but it doesn't seem to do anything
[16:49] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: ok, boot with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer and also put 'set -x' near the top of the script and it should give you a trace
[16:49] <cjwatson> (in /var/log/syslog)
[16:49] <jgonzalez> I guess this is correct:  d-i preseed/early_command string wget -O /tmp/configure-hostname-domain.sh \
[16:49] <jgonzalez>  11        http://puppet.openinput.com/preseed/ubuntu/gutsy/configure-hostname-domain.sh; \
[16:49] <jgonzalez>  12        chmod +x /tmp/configure-hostname-domain.sh; /tmp/configure-hostname-domain.sh
[16:50] <jgonzalez> gonna try to debug it
[16:51] <jgonzalez> Another question: I'm doing LVM, and if I try to reinstall I machine I've previously installed it fails because it founds a duplicate volume name group, any idea?
[16:54] <cjwatson> I think at present you'll need to explicitly delete the volume group using the LVM tools from early_command
[16:56] <jgonzalez> ok... regarding the script issue... does "<-- 30 question skipped" mean anything?
[16:57] <jgonzalez> it seems the script gets executed, but it doesn't prompt for values, it uses the values provided in the preseed file
[17:00] <cjwatson> ah
[17:01] <cjwatson> put 'db_fset netcfg/get_hostname seen false' before 'db_input critical netcfg/get_hostname', and similarly for get_domain
[17:04] <jgonzalez> cjwatson: ok, now it works, thanks a lot :)
[17:08] <jgonzalez> about the LVM problem... it's quite annoying: I lvremove all volumes, vgremove all groups, and the with fdisk I remove all partitions, I go back to hard disk detection and the complains about "no root file system detected" or something like that (using spanish installation). If I reboot the machine the it works ok
[17:09] <jgonzalez> s/the/then
[17:13] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: cool
[17:20] <jgonzalez> $ echo "r00tme" | mkpasswd -s -H MD5 <- Is this correct to generate encrypted passwords to include them in the preseed file? Mine doesn't seem to be working
[17:28] <cjwatson> sounds ok ...
[17:28] <cjwatson> you're just setting passwd/user-password-crypted to the encrypted text, right?
[17:29] <cjwatson> or root-password-crypted
[17:29] <cjwatson> if the latter, you will also need to set 'd-i passwd/root-login boolean true'
[17:33] <jgonzalez> user-password
[17:34] <jgonzalez> I'm trying tight now with a shorter one, to check if it was my fault while typing
[17:34] <jgonzalez> s/tight/right/
[17:44] <jgonzalez> does pkgsel/include only work with package included in the CD? If so I guess that to install any package not included in the CD you must use late_command, right?
[17:59] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: right, afraid so
[18:00] <cjwatson> though strictly speaking that's maybe a bug; pkgsel/include can only be triggered by hand and it's probably ok to have that go to the network
[18:01] <jgonzalez> so I'll have to do something like in-target aptitude install whatever package?
[18:01] <cjwatson> right
[18:01] <jgonzalez> another question
[18:01] <jgonzalez> should tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard install openoffice and gnome????
[18:01] <CIA-44> pkgsel: cjwatson * r100 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog postinst):
[18:01] <CIA-44> pkgsel: * Move final sources.list into place before processing pkgsel/include, so
[18:01] <CIA-44> pkgsel:  that you can use that to install packages not on the CD.
[18:02] <CIA-44> pkgsel: cjwatson * r101 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.16ubuntu2
[18:03] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: it doesn't, but the language pack installation shortly afterwards does. preseed 'd-i pkgsel/install-language-support boolean false'
[18:04] <cjwatson> and 'd-i pkgsel/language-pack-patterns string' too
[18:04] <jgonzalez> hmmm, so in 8.04 I'll be able to use pkgsel/include to install packages not included in the CD?
[18:04] <soren> a
[18:04] <soren> gah
[18:05] <jgonzalez> :S a-gah = yes???? :)
[18:06] <cjwatson> jgonzalez: yes
[18:06] <cjwatson> though I'm sure that's not what soren meant to mistype
[18:07] <jgonzalez> :)
[18:14] <jgonzalez> I have just noticed that the LVM recipe wasn't correctly selected... I'm using 'd-i partman/choose_partition select Finalizar el particionado y escribir los cambios en el disco' (spanish translation, of course I select the spanish locale in the beginning using a kernel parameter)
[18:14] <jgonzalez> ops
[18:15] <jgonzalez> I meant 'd-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select Separar particiones /home, /usr, /var y /tmp'
[18:16] <jgonzalez> lvscan only shows root and swap_1
[18:25] <jgonzalez> any idea on this? I've noticed that this option only shows when using the expert mode, but this shouldn't be a problem when using preseeding, right?
[18:39] <cjwatson> the current translation actually seems to be /usr/ not /usr
[18:40] <cjwatson> it has to match exactly
[18:40] <cjwatson> that whole interface with translated strings is rather unfortunate; there's a bug about it
[22:48] <cjwatson> evand: any progress with getting the ubiquity-preserve-home bug fixed?


[14:38] <tenc> Good morning wrst, cyberanger, twayneprice, Unit193.
[14:42] <wrst> hello tenc
[14:47] <twayneprice> morning tenc
[14:57] <wrst> hellow twayneprice, all going well
[14:59] <twayneprice> wrst: yea pretty well.  Cold.  :)
[15:01] <wrst> warmer days aren't too far away :)
[15:01] <twayneprice> I'll believe it when I see it.  :)
[15:02] <wrst> ha ha
[15:02] <wrst> well mid march?
[15:03] <twayneprice> I'm going to Chicago for a week and Protland Or for a week in mid March.  No warmth for me.  :)
[15:03] <twayneprice> Portland
[16:42] <wrst> no warmth there :)
[16:45] <twayneprice> Not unless I bring it with me.  :)
[16:47] <wrst> :)
[19:20] <Unit193> Late howdy.