[08:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: where did u go :'<
[08:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers <- please make the group invite only + clear the pending list + add neon-builder (so that I can try to build automerging logic)
[08:09] <valorie> apachelogger: he might already have left for his holiday
[08:09] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:10] <lordievader> Good moorning.
[08:10]  * apachelogger thinks bluesystems people should need to send mails when they go on holidays :S
[08:10] <apachelogger> valorie: ur on the council are you not?
[08:13] <valorie> yes
[08:13] <apachelogger> valorie: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+addmember
[08:14] <apachelogger> please add neon-builder there
[08:14] <valorie> he told Scarlett and me as we ate together for the final time in Brno
[08:14] <valorie> done
[08:15] <valorie> can I do the other things as well?
[08:15] <apachelogger> valorie: if you know where, I sent a mail to the council list if not :)
[08:15] <apachelogger> valorie: thanks for the adding
[08:15] <valorie> I see 8 pending members, but I know none of them
[08:15] <apachelogger> yeah, kick them all
[08:16] <valorie> oh, except howard
[08:16] <Riddell> valorie: the ones who applied this year might be good to e-mail and say to join us here
[08:16] <apachelogger> all our teams are invite-only anyway, and the applying thing only encourages people to randomly apply and cause spam and make it appear to the outside as though there might be some association
[08:16] <apachelogger> there's the Riddell
[08:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I'm on holiday this week in the pyranees
[08:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: uh, lovely
[08:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: have fun and stuff :)
[08:18] <valorie> Riddell: done
[08:20] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-unstable/extra-cmake-modules/revision/35 =D
[08:22] <valorie> apachelogger: the team is already restricted
[08:23] <valorie> hmmm, opposum on my front porch
[08:24] <valorie> unsure how I feel about that
[08:24] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkofwx2liHM
[08:30] <valorie> omg, pet possum
[08:30] <valorie> I should find that cute
[08:30] <valorie> but I cannot get past the rat tail
[08:35]  * apachelogger rolls a dice on how to deal with changelogs in CI
[08:35] <apachelogger> we should totally have discussed this
[08:35] <apachelogger> #boffail
[08:39] <valorie> we talked a lot about changelogs
[08:40] <valorie> at least Rohan and Pino did at the party
[08:43] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: ~kubuntu-packagers is already restricted
[08:45] <apachelogger> valorie: with CI the thing gets slightly more complicated though
[08:45] <apachelogger> albeit the notion of putting the changelog in a weird format in the VCS is a tad shitty to begin with
[08:46] <valorie> damn it, the last 2014 applicant has now disappeared before I could write hir
[08:46] <valorie> I did write to two of them
[08:47] <apachelogger> the problem might possibly autoresolve once we actually develop using CI, but right now the CI branches could have changes ontop of the PPA branches and then the changelog gets all sorts of weirdly screwed when merging
[08:47] <apachelogger> gives me a headache alright
[08:47]  * apachelogger should have continued reading mails
[08:47] <shadeslayer_> it's worse
[08:47] <shadeslayer_> emails are worse
[08:47] <shadeslayer_> distributions are hard to do, lets go shopping
[08:48] <apachelogger> valorie: fwiw, the mailing is not so useful, I used to do that for -members when it was not restricted and no one ever applied
[08:48] <valorie> how do other distros do it?
[08:48] <apachelogger> and I surely sent some 50 mails all in all
[08:48] <valorie> eh, I hate to just write them off
[08:48] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: botsnack
[08:48] <kubotu> shadeslayer_: schweet!
[08:49] <valorie> gives them one more chance if nothing else
[08:50] <apachelogger> well
[08:51] <apachelogger> the thing is, unless you know the person already they are most likely just badge hunters
[08:51] <apachelogger> like a lot of the people who are member of kubuntu-bugs actually ;)
[08:52] <valorie> sure
[08:52] <valorie> although the two to whom I did write were members of no other team
[08:52] <valorie> so who knows
[08:52] <apachelogger> that makes it even more likely :P
[08:52] <apachelogger> or they are drunk
[08:53] <apachelogger> like that person who assigned a long since fixed bug to themself and wanted information on how to fix it :P
[08:53] <valorie> lol
[08:53] <valorie> totally could be
[08:54] <valorie> in any case, can I help you in any other way?
[08:54] <apachelogger> nope, all good now
[08:54] <apachelogger> hugs!
[08:54] <apachelogger> Upload was likely rejected, we've been waiting for well over 20 minutes!
[08:55] <apachelogger> :@
[08:55] <apachelogger> my ppa script is broken again
[08:55] <apachelogger> and I dunno why
[08:55] <valorie> then /me heads to bed
[08:55] <valorie> have a good holiday, Riddell
[08:56] <valorie> I hope scarlett shows up all non-jetlagged
[09:09] <kfunk> Riddell: do you have any idea if there are some issues with gpg-agent in neon5?
[09:09] <kfunk> I've seen some mentioning of 'gpg-agent' in this channel a few months ago online.
[09:10] <kfunk> can you tell me where gpg-agent is normally started from?
[09:10] <apachelogger> ^ entirely possible since neon doesn't provide a lot of integration with the rest of the system
[09:10] <yofel> I had gpg-agent issues in utopic months ago, seem to have resolved themselves though
[09:10] <yofel> and it's started by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent
[09:12] <kfunk> for me, it seems like gpg-agent is started (at least I see it running in ps), but apparently my KDE session doesn't contain the GPG_AGENT_INFO env variable
[09:12] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: who was assigned to moving frameworks to git.debian btw
[09:13] <shadeslayer> no one :O
[09:13] <yofel> ^
[09:13] <shadeslayer> AFAICR
[09:13] <apachelogger> that sounds wrong :P
[09:13] <yofel> also, Scott proposed using git-dpm, anyone of you guys familiar with that?
[09:13] <kfunk> ah, yeah. that's the issue. in my KDE4 session, I have GPG_AGENT_INFO set.
[09:13]  * apachelogger doesn't even know what a git-dpm is
[09:14] <apachelogger> ah yes
[09:14] <apachelogger> well
[09:14] <apachelogger> yes
[09:14] <apachelogger> yofel: we use bzr-buildpackage now so we'd use git-buildpackage with git :P
[09:14] <yofel> right, currently that was the plan
[09:14] <yofel> git-dpm seems a bit special with all the branch naming though
[09:15] <yofel> also, did you read my ping on #d-q-k?
[09:15] <apachelogger> dunno how it relates to git-buildpackage but generally everything is very configurable
[09:15] <apachelogger> that being said if the proposal is to hold the source in git I'd very much object to that
[09:15] <yofel> well, git-dpm has the upstream source in git, a branch for debian, and another one for all the patches which are then exported for quilt
[09:16] <apachelogger> if anything we'd want to have a repo clone of upstream
[09:16] <apachelogger> yofel: possibly something to look into
[09:16] <apachelogger> certainly not first stage of rollout though
[09:17] <apachelogger> also that reqiures one to first understand how git remotes work as otherwise people have to reclone stuff all the time, so I'd rather not spring that on Riddell for the time being ;)
[09:17] <apachelogger> yofel: I have no highlight btw in dqk
[09:18] <yofel> it's from saturday I think
[09:18] <yofel> anyway
[09:18] <yofel> our phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer ships no service desktop file, correct or wrong?
[09:20] <apachelogger> correcto (I think)
[09:21] <apachelogger> mhm
[09:21] <apachelogger> correcto
[09:21]  * apachelogger didn't remember that he actually ported the KCM to the new lookup method xD
[09:22] <apachelogger> also it has silly debug
[09:22] <apachelogger> someone should fix that
[09:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: question, how did you find out the old scripts were broken
[09:22] <yofel> lets actually answer that on debian so diane gets the message
[09:22] <shadeslayer> ( I just fixed it in git
[09:22] <shadeslayer> )
[09:22] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/1369220/comments/7
[09:23] <shadeslayer> what's a genuine install
[09:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: I was trying to build debians phonon-backend-gstreamer and couldn't even build the source
[09:23] <shadeslayer> is my install not genuine?
[09:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: ah :)
[09:23]  * shadeslayer is fix0ring
[09:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: done btw
[09:25] <yofel> thanks :)
[09:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is that guy babbling on about anyway
[09:26] <shadeslayer> idk
[09:27] <shadeslayer> genuine ubuntu installs
[09:27] <shadeslayer> idk how one does genuine ubuntu installs
[09:27] <apachelogger> if bzr diff; then echo "ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY DIFF"; exit 1; fi
[09:27] <apachelogger> you know
[09:27] <apachelogger> the amount of code I don't remember writing is quite concerning
[09:27] <apachelogger> LISTEN
[09:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[09:30] <shadeslayer> oh much fun
[09:30] <shadeslayer> add header guards for firefox
[09:30] <shadeslayer> error: 'nsCommonRegistry' has not been declared
[09:30] <shadeslayer> well screw u
[09:31] <apachelogger> show me tha code
[09:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cooooooooooooooode
[09:33] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/ubuntu/firefox/+files/firefox_32.0%2Bbuild1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>%7Eppa3%7Etrusty1.dsc
[09:33] <shadeslayer> food
[09:33] <shadeslayer> I need food
[09:34] <shadeslayer> snack
[09:34] <shadeslayer> someone find me a snack
[09:35] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly7PONiKGUs
[09:35] <shadeslayer> mm
[09:35] <shadeslayer> same thing on the i386 build
[09:36] <apachelogger> mate
[09:36] <apachelogger> can you give me a diff
[09:36] <apachelogger> I aint downloading no huge tar just to look at a diff
[09:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the diff between old stuff vs new stuff or just the patch?
[09:37] <apachelogger> patch
[09:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8349290/
[09:39] <shadeslayer> hm
[09:39] <shadeslayer> that doesn't have the header guards
[09:39] <shadeslayer> moment
[09:40] <apachelogger> mh
[09:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you sure pkg-kde is in staging?
[09:40] <apachelogger> I added staging and CI still fails
[09:41] <apachelogger> ah dang
[09:41] <apachelogger> wrong stage -.-
[09:41] <shadeslayer> :p
[09:41] <apachelogger> I knew we should have made it a different group :P
[09:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8349316/
[09:43] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:43] <shadeslayer> aha
[09:43] <shadeslayer> +#ifdef nsCommonRegistry_h__
[09:43] <shadeslayer> bollocks
[09:44] <apachelogger> ?
[09:44] <shadeslayer> should be #ifndef
[09:44] <apachelogger> ah yes xD
[09:45] <shadeslayer> :p
[09:45] <apachelogger> u really should learn to copynpaste :P
[09:45] <shadeslayer> I was too drunk to do that clearly
[09:49] <apachelogger> so who's doing the git thing?
[09:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell
[09:49] <shadeslayer> because he's not here
[09:49] <shadeslayer> :p
[09:49] <apachelogger> that won't work :P
[09:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sign me up
[09:52] <shadeslayer> someone has to do it
[09:52]  * shadeslayer will write up a plan
[09:58] <apachelogger> talking about singing up for things
[09:58] <apachelogger> someone needs to make the notes into cards I guess
[09:58]  * apachelogger beats CI into shape and does the cards afterwards
[10:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's still pending
[10:02] <apachelogger> ...
[10:02] <apachelogger>  Missing build dependencies: pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.15.15ubuntu1)
[10:03] <apachelogger> pkg-kde-tools - 0.15.15ubuntu1~ppa3
[10:03] <apachelogger> whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop
[10:03] <apachelogger> and that is why we need CI, frameworks packages in staging do not actually reflect what is in bzr
[10:03] <shadeslayer> :/
[10:03] <apachelogger> some pile of hore poo this is
[10:04] <shadeslayer> idk what Riddell did
[10:04] <apachelogger> I lost an s
[10:04] <shadeslayer> yes
[10:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's what you did
[10:04] <shadeslayer> I didn't do anything
[10:04] <shadeslayer> wat
[10:04] <apachelogger> you twiddled the brancehs to dep >= ver while it should have been >= ver~
[10:04] <shadeslayer> no I did not
[10:04] <shadeslayer> those deps were reverted
[10:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why is my ecm broken again
[10:05] <shadeslayer> define broken
[10:05] <apachelogger> cannot resolve dep
[10:05] <apachelogger> because it wants >= but can only get >= ~
[10:06] <shadeslayer> oh that
[10:06] <shadeslayer> wait
[10:06] <apachelogger> what the
[10:06] <apachelogger> Build-dep on pkg-kde-tools >= 0.15.15ubuntu1
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: broke it
[10:06] <shadeslayer> told you
[10:06] <apachelogger> FFS
[10:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm fixing it
[10:07] <shadeslayer> actually
[10:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your jenkins bot broke it
[10:08] <apachelogger> what?
[10:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the bot only commits to unstable
[10:08] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-unstable/extra-cmake-modules/revision/35
[10:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:08] <shadeslayer> but that's what introduced the dep
[10:08] <apachelogger> from -next
[10:08] <apachelogger> unstable is not the live packaging we work on right now
[10:09] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:09] <shadeslayer> fixing
[10:09] <apachelogger> waits
[10:09] <apachelogger> ah yes
[10:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plz be fixing
[10:10] <apachelogger> it appears jr actually used ver~ in the other packages
[10:10] <apachelogger> only ecm has ver without ~
[10:10] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:10] <shadeslayer> pushing
[10:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fixed
[10:11] <apachelogger> uh uh
[10:11] <apachelogger> testing my new scripting
[10:11] <apachelogger> let's see if the bot figures it out xD
[10:11] <apachelogger> if bzr wasn't so sloooo....
[10:11] <shadeslayer> use git bzr
[10:11] <shadeslayer> it's le fast
[10:12] <apachelogger> jenkins prolly won't want to do that
[10:14] <shadeslayer> why not
[10:14] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-unstable/extra-cmake-modules/revision/36
[10:15] <apachelogger> much magic
[10:15] <apachelogger> interesting fact: if you bzr whoami with whatever email you can actually make launchpad show commits as though they had been made by someone else
[10:15] <shadeslayer> yes, sawn
[10:15] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:33] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8349876/
[11:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[13:41] <mcstr_> listaller package is depending on some defective package here in kubuntu 14.04.1 can anyone confirm this?
[14:37] <mcstr_> listaller package is depending on some defective package here in kubuntu 14.04.1 can anyone confirm this?
[14:45] <ScottK> mcstr_: That's not something specific to Kubuntu, so this is likely not the best place to ask (the Kubuntu installer/updater doesn't even use packagekit).
[14:55] <apachelogger> wgrant: can I please get a quota bump to 5gib on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable
[14:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, yofel: I am expanding coverage to all frameworks now
[14:57] <apachelogger> if all goes well we should be able to throw away neon by the end of the month
[14:57] <shadeslayer> yay
[14:57] <apachelogger> mh
[14:57] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[14:58] <apachelogger> possibly worth to keep it for trusty until release
[14:58] <apachelogger> then ditch the trusty build and continue with ci builds for utopic and utopic+1
[14:58] <apachelogger> seeing as we'll want to backport frameworks to utopic but not trusty
[15:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: Why not trusty?  Last LTS seems like a good target for developers wanting a stable base to work off of.
[15:07] <apachelogger> because we'd need to backport qt
[15:08] <apachelogger> and I feel like it is entirely possibly that plasma might soon require 5.4 even because of DPI tech that landed there
[15:08] <ScottK> Ah.  Good reason.
[15:09] <apachelogger> we could possibly keep neon for trusty going a while longer and reduce the build scheduling from daily to weekly
[16:53] <genii> I found something odd. When trying to understand why kcmshell4 kcm_lightdm was not working in gdb, it complained about mismatched versions of ld-2.19.so  between /lib64/ld-2.19.so and the /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.19.so  complaining one is 64bit and one is PAE. Some digging reveals that libc6-amd64 has only a 32bit which it installs to /lib64/ for some reason, and the other is the stock libc6:amd64
[16:54] <genii> I must have installed something which required libc6-amd64 and it created this problem.
[16:55] <genii> Replacing the /lib64/  32bit version with the proper 64bit version made everything work again.
[16:55]  * genii goes back to making coffee
[16:56]  * ScottK thought we didn't use /usr/lib64?
[16:58] <apachelogger> oh oh oh, that again reminds me of gdb being broken
[16:58]  * apachelogger runs into wall
[16:58] <genii> ScottK: When I do dpkg -S /lib64/ld-2.19.20 it reports:  libc-amd64 which apt-cache policy reports:         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ utopic/main i386 Packages
[16:58] <ScottK> Why do you have libc-amd64 installed?
[16:58] <ScottK> AIUI, that's ~obsolete.
[16:59] <genii> ScottK: I did not specifically install it, something else recently must have required it
[16:59] <genii> I could go back over install logs and take a look for it
[16:59] <ScottK> See what happens if you try to remove it.
[16:59] <genii> OK, 1 minute
[16:59] <ScottK> If it doesn't take anything with it, it ~should be fine.
[17:00] <genii> Should I purge?
[17:00] <ScottK> No
[17:02] <genii> ScottK: It removed fine, and now there's a symlink in /lib64 which points to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.19.so
[17:03] <genii> Extremely weird.
[17:05] <snele> guys libreoffice kde file dialog integration seems to be broken on 14.04
[17:05] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/22/pb/1Vu8cW0n/snapshot58.png
[17:05] <apachelogger> things happen
[17:06] <apachelogger> jmux: do we need a qt patch to make it work again?
[17:09] <jmux> apachelogger: Not as far as I know
[17:13] <apachelogger> peculiar breakage then
[17:13] <apachelogger> snele: file a bug against libreoffice I guess
[17:13] <jmux> apachelogger: I just checked qt changelog and it seems it just contains one patch (out of three, with two mandatory)
[17:13] <apachelogger> :S
[17:14] <apachelogger> jmux: got a url for the second patch?
[17:14] <snele> apachelogger: against libreoffice or libreoffice-kde*
[17:14] <snele> ?
[17:14] <apachelogger> snele: same source package anyway
[17:16] <jmux> apachelogger: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-34614
[17:16] <jmux> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/secure/attachment/40123/l-qclipboard_fix_recursive.patch
[17:17] <apachelogger> thanks, I'll prep a fix tomorrow
[17:17] <jmux> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-38585
[17:17] <jmux> That is mandatory
[17:17] <jmux> No - lats one is optional...
[17:20] <jmux> And tehere is a new version of the first patch in the Qt5 queue, which I would like to backport, once it's accapted https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/94646/
[17:20] <jmux> Probably that'll happen this year ...
[17:21] <snele> apachelogger: done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1369673
[17:22] <jmux> apachelogger: The old patch should still be fine, but has some busy waiting.
[17:28] <sgclark> hi all, can't seem to stop sleeping heh
[17:29] <Riddell> sgclark: jet lag will do that
[17:29] <sgclark> :(
[17:29] <Peace-> hola !
[17:30] <Riddell> sgclark: in the worst case melatonin does the trick and it's not even prescription in the US
[17:31] <sgclark> ok, will try that ty
[17:31] <sgclark> if I can stay awake long enough to go to store
[18:19] <apachelogger> whatever happened to santa
[18:21] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8352225/
[18:22] <apachelogger> dafuq
[18:22] <apachelogger> what's with the cheating all the time
[18:25] <sgclark> Riddell: removing it, can add back if need be.
[18:26] <apachelogger> sgclark: that will break things
[18:27] <sgclark> apachelogger: i see ok...
[18:27] <apachelogger> sgclark: what that hack does is make every package that links against libsolidfoo *also* link against the qml thingy (which might not be needed, but OTOH that also sneaks it when it is needed, so removing it will potentially break applications)
[18:28] <apachelogger> to fix this properly we'd have to look at every package that currently links against libsolid and check whether it contains qml bits that use solid and if so manually introduce a dependency to the qml plugin package
[18:29] <apachelogger> or well, you know, move the qml things into the libsolid package and provide a fake package so that nothing could possibly break ;)
[18:29] <sgclark> ah ha. ok, sounds like something I can do at another time when I am less jet lagged. thanks for the explaination apachelogger
[18:30] <apachelogger> sgclark: yeah, alternatively maybe shadeslayer or I find the time to run a grep over all sources
[18:30] <apachelogger> on that note
[18:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: have I yet made a brain dump of how to detect qml dependencies?
[18:30] <apachelogger> I feel like I wrote some proof of concept code at some point
[18:31] <apachelogger> kfunk: did you get your gpg issue sorteD?
[18:32] <kfunk> not really.
[18:32] <kfunk> sec, phone
[18:51] <kfunk> apachelogger: so. I was wondering if $KDEHOME/env/* is still sourced as in KDE4. (because that's where I've started gpg-agent, usually)
[18:55] <apachelogger> kfunk: not impossible, terrbily unlikely though
[18:56] <apachelogger> also I am not sure why the env would get lost assuming gpg-agent should be started through an xsession file by deafult
[18:56] <apachelogger> could be a sddm defect though
[18:56] <apachelogger> unless you are not using sddm then it is even weirder
[18:58] <kfunk> i'm using sddm
[18:58] <kfunk> with the unholy ugly default theme
[18:58] <kfunk> (I never figured out how to install the breeze theme)
[19:01] <apachelogger> needs /etc/sddm.conf xD
[19:01] <apachelogger> anywho
[19:01] <apachelogger> kfunk: maybe try with lightdm
[19:01] <apachelogger> if that doesn't work then we'll have to take a deeper look
[20:16] <Riddell> sgclark, apachelogger: what's wrong with that implicit dependency on qml-module-org-kde-solid?  me and shadeslayer did ask frameworks people in the office who said we should have the qml installed if the library is installed
[20:17] <sgclark> Riddell: I left it in for now. Lintian apparently thinks it should not be that way. apachelogger has better explaination above ^
[20:19] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah lintian will moan, override that I say
[20:20] <Riddell> else let apachelogger and vishesh fight it out
[20:20] <Riddell> but we have no magic way to detect dependencies on qml modules for now so it's far safer to leave it in
[20:58]  * Riddell snoozes
[20:59] <soee> :)
[20:59] <soee> can i display comment to last updat eof a packange in terminal ?
[22:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: right, then put the qml plugin in the library package
[22:34] <apachelogger> transitive symbols dependencies are wrong in 99.99999% of all the cases where you'd think "oh, I should use a symbols dep here"
[23:10] <ahoneybun> hey jose
[23:10] <ahoneybun> whois inetpro
[23:11] <ahoneybun> hey ovidiu-florin_
[23:16] <ahoneybun> should we update wordpress on the test site?
[23:16] <wgrant> apachelogger: Done.


[09:23] <alan_g> anpok: I think we should land a few MPs by hand to clear the backlog. Do you have any candidates for that?
[09:24] <anpok> oh so ci is still down?
[09:24] <anpok> https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/mir/input-configuration-api/+merge/273975 this one should be fine
[09:27] <anpok> and of course this one https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/delete-dead-code/+merge/277094
[09:29] <alan_g> anpok: Unless I'm mistaken we still have intermittent failures on krillen.
[09:29] <anpok> and this one https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/current-buffer-id-fix/+merge/275986
[09:29] <anpok> hm the landing problems yesteday afternoon were caused by the jenkins shutdown
[09:30] <anpok> for certain definitions of yesterday and afternoon
[09:30] <anpok> but .. there still seem to be problems.. one cannot access some of the jenkins instances for build results also no testrunners have been run today
[09:31] <alan_g> yeah, just seen that
[09:32] <alan_g> Let's leave it a bit then and review towards EOD (Europe)


[01:45] <JaguarDown> Hi all. Is there some kind of sleep or hibernate mode that ubuntu-server will go into that I can disable? For the second time now I was unable to connect to apache 2, ssh, or sftp and could not even ping from the the LAN or router. I have determined for the second time now that so much as hitting a single key (num lock) on a keyboard connected to the server tower is enough to "wake it up" and suddenly ping, apache2, ssh, and s
[01:45] <JaguarDown> (home server on an old machine)
[02:08] <JaguarDown> All of my internet searchs return threads and articles talking about suspending or hibernating ubuntu desktop...
[02:19] <patdk-lap> ubuntu server does not sleep/hibernate by default
[02:20] <patdk-lap> unless you ran a command to do so (like a ups program that detects power failure)
[02:29] <pauljw> JaguarDown, understand i'm in no way knowledgeable about such things and this is probably a "mr obvious" question, but does your lan card support "wake-on-lan" and is it set to function?
[02:56] <moneylotion> any way I can backup to an iso?
[02:56] <moneylotion> like rsync to an iso file?
[03:18] <patdk-lap> sure, you just *copy* it
[03:18] <patdk-lap> or, you mean, you want to copy normal files, into an iso file?
[03:21] <moneylotion> yeah, having a single file would be nice
[03:21] <moneylotion> * copy into an iso file -
[03:22] <moneylotion> i use carbon copy cloner for mac a lot, and this is an option, which makes organization a little simpler
[03:22] <moneylotion> open to any advice
[06:02] <oste> howdy lsmith?
[06:03] <oste> I was able to move things along by adding some of the packages listed here http://wiki.apache.org/jackrabbit/JackrabbitOnTomcat6
[06:04] <oste> but now i am hitting this line https://github.com/jackalope/jackalope-jackrabbit/blob/master/src/Jackalope/Transport/Jackrabbit/Client.php#L386
[06:05] <oste> i think it could still be a mysql issue b/c the tables are never created
[06:06] <oste> on this line https://github.com/jackalope/jackalope-jackrabbit/blob/master/src/Jackalope/Transport/Jackrabbit/Client.php#L385 $set->item(0)->textContent is empty
[07:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:12] <Norbin> for SSL to work on sites other than the default, do i need to create certificate for each ?
[10:19] <lordievader> Or add it as a san.
[10:28] <Norbin> missing the part where i added a 2nd virtual host (other than default) to the ssl
[10:29] <Norbin> like do i edit default-ssl.conf or copy it into mysite-ssl.conf
[10:56] <RoyK> Norbin: a certificate per domain, usually - better get official certificates rather than using self-signed stuff
[10:57] <RoyK> it costs a bit, but it's the only thing accepted many places
[10:57] <RoyK> you can get host certificates or domain wildcard certs - the latter more expensive, but then you can create new, official certs for your own hosts
[12:21] <Kalimero> is anyone familiar with the manual installation of Twonky-Server ?
[12:29] <Kalimero> if i want to start twonkyserver i am getting an error like this -bash: /home/username/twonky/twonkystarter: No such file or directory
[12:37] <Kalimero> the readme says i need to install ia32-libs but there is no package with that name in the repos
[13:06] <patdk-lap> Kalimero, that hasn't existed since 12.04
[13:23] <Kalimero> patdk-lap: i know but i need it to run my program ( and i got it to run a few weeks agon until now but i dont remember how i did it :( )
[13:29] <Norbin> hi guys, i have set up apache2 server, all is good but one thing - others outside my LAN can not establish connection to the site via my external IP
[13:29] <Norbin> i've forwarded port 80
[13:29] <Norbin> been trying to fix this for like 2 hours now, but no go, will be happy to get some assistance
[13:31] <pmatulis> Norbin: first ascertain whether your server is receiving the requests. my suggestion: use tcpdump
[13:39] <Norbin> umm, i am not seeing much signs for failed attempts or anything, captured while a friend tried to access from outside
[13:39] <Norbin> an example here pmatulis http://pastebin.com/mFunJNBx
[13:49] <pmatulis> Norbin: you can try quieting it down with, assuming interface eth0: 'sudo tcpdump -i eth0 -qtn port 80'
[13:50] <pmatulis> Norbin: and you're sure it's port 80 and not 443 (HTTPS)?
[13:53] <pmatulis> Norbin: also, provide output to 'sudo lsof -nPi4:80'
[14:00] <Norbin> pmatulis thank you for the tips. i am still capturing
[14:01] <Norbin> sudo lsof -nPi4:80 outputs nothing
[14:01] <Norbin> new empty line
[14:13] <pmatulis> Norbin: that means your server is not listening on port 80
[14:14] <pmatulis> Norbin: i'm using lighttpd as my web server and i get:
[14:14] <pmatulis> lighttpd   2570        www-data    4u  IPv4   22859      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN)
[14:15] <Norbin> when u run sudo lsof -nPi4:443 ?
[14:15] <Norbin> ops, with 80
[14:15] <Norbin> i tried with 443 just in case
[14:15] <Norbin> no results there either
[14:16] <pmatulis> Norbin: next, what URL are you using when you claim to be connecting from the LAN?
[14:17] <Norbin> pmatulis, it works now!
[14:17] <Norbin> god damn :P
[14:17] <Norbin> In my router
[14:17] <Norbin> when i forwarded port 80
[14:17] <Norbin> i had to choose internal IP (which i provided my server ip address)
[14:18] <Norbin> and external (i entered my external ip...)
[14:18] <Norbin> now i changed the external to <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:18] <Norbin> and it works
[14:18]  * Norbin is not sure why though
[14:20] <pmatulis> Norbin: well, not sure how if the server isn't listening, but ok
[14:26] <Norbin> pmatulis not sure, but now the tcp dump is actually giving results via port 80
[14:26] <Norbin> i can see the ip addresses of the people entering my apache page
[14:27] <Norbin> sudo lsof -nPi4:80 still gives empty result
[16:46] <lightair> hi! I'm installing iRedMail. The installation process asks me to enter "first virtual domain name". What is that?
[16:49] <lightair> hello?
[16:50] <Norbin> just enter FQDN lightair?
[16:51] <Norbin> for the mail server ?
[16:51] <Norbin> or follow a guide x:
[16:52] <lightair> what value should be in /etc/hostname: lightair.com or lightair?
[18:28] <PryMar56> booting Vivid, there is a 15s delay during /scripts/init-bottom
[18:29] <PryMar56> that directory is empty, so why the delay?
[18:32] <PryMar56> correction, there is one script: udev
[18:34] <Meerkat> PryMar56, is the scripts dir in the root of the system?
[18:43] <PryMar56> Meerkat, root of the initramfs?
[18:43] <PryMar56> Meerkat, I'm thinking to deactivate LVM in initramfs
[18:45] <PryMar56> Meerkat, yes the udev script is in root of ramfs: scripts/init-bottom/udev
[18:46] <PryMar56> Meerkat, I'm thinking to never activate LVM in initramfs
[18:46] <PryMar56> ^^ what I mean to say
[19:06] <PryMar56> Meerkat, it worked. Skipped activation in ramfs and script/init-bottom flew by... finally.. couple weeks of pain
[20:04] <PryMar56> Wily has changes in scripts/init-bottom coming
[20:05] <PryMar56> I did look at the scripts/init-bottom in Debian8 and they are not the same
[22:24] <arsalan_>  Hi guys! I would really appreciate it, if you could help me! I am working on a project that is similar to Shazam, I have a source code on a linux computer which gets a 10-second wav audio file and outputs the name of the song. So, everything works offline now. I was wondering how I can setup a server using ubuntu in order to support online recognition.
[22:32] <OerHeks> arsalan_, start your project on launchpad :-)
[22:36] <arsalan_> Oearheks, Thanks
[22:51] <PryMar56> Meercat: trick was to remove vgchange in /lib/udev/rules.d/85-lvm2.rules, then rebuild ramfs. No more delay in scripts/init-bottom
[22:52] <PryMar56> undo the mod after ramfs is built


[01:27] <isaac_> I have a nit-picky, "I'm afraid to do this until I know what I'm doing" question about Ubuntu Studio.  See I've never installed (successfully) from an alternate install cd before.  My question is, will it install to a flash drive instead of the internal hard drive, and will it write GRUB to the flash drive?
[01:37] <zus> hello
[01:38] <zus> i went to the ubuntu-studio page and was looking for the download for 10.4 i386. all i found was the dvd, is there a cd iso?
[01:50] <zus> is there dvd download the only available option for ubuntu studio?
[02:11] <isaac_> zus the Ubuntu regular distro only barely fits on a CD.
[02:12] <isaac_> With all the extra stuff Ubuntu Studio has, a DVD is as small as it gets.
[02:13] <zus> isaac_,  do i burn it to dvd the same as cd?
[02:16] <zus> isaac_,  thank you. im going to have to wait on some dvd.s then.
[02:26] <isaac_> Yes, you essentially burn an image DVD instead of an image CD.
[02:26] <isaac_> But unlike Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio won't boot up a live environment from the disk.  It will only give a text installer.
[02:26] <zus> thanks. by the way whats the size of the image?
[02:28] <isaac_> 1.7 gigabytes when I downloaded it.
[02:29] <zus> thanks. project tonight = make space
[02:33] <isaac_> More space than you know.  You can't run it from the DVD, you have to install it on the hard drive.  And 1.7 gigabytes is compressed.  Installed it's larger.
[02:34] <isaac_> I'm about to see if it will install to a flash drive.  I have three 8 gigabyte flash drives floating around, might as well use one of them for an install.  Ubuntu will do it, no reason Ubuntu Studio should not be able to.
[02:35] <zus> i'm using a 20gig hdd with 10windows and 10 kubuntu...
[02:36] <isaac_> Uh... how much RAM?
[02:36] <zus> 2 gigs
[02:37] <isaac_> Odd.  Usually a hard drive that small would be on a computer with much less RAM.
[02:37] <zus> i pulled the hdd from an old compaq my 250 is my home and its full atm
[02:37] <isaac_> The only reason I mention it is, I was thinking with a hard drive that small you probably wouldn't be able to run Ubuntu Studio with that little RAM.  But if you have 2 gigs, never mind.
[02:39] <isaac_> Well if it were me, I'd delete Kubuntu and try Ubuntu Studio.  But I've never been a big fan of Kubuntu, so that's just me.
[02:39] <isaac_> You could turn Kubuntu into Ubuntu Studio though.  apt-get install...
[02:44] <zus> isaac_,  that would install everything from ubuntu-studios?
[02:46] <isaac_> apt-get install is a command line method of installing programs.  If you install all the programs in Ubuntu Studio and configure them appropriately, you will essentially have Ubuntu Studio.
[02:46] <isaac_> There's a faq webpage on how to turn Ubuntu into Ubuntu Studio.
[02:47] <isaac_> Including default setup for Jack, the low-latency sound server.
[02:48] <zus> i've bookmarked the webpage is it under the wiki or support links?
[02:49] <isaac_> Hmmm... it seems that page is under construction for the latest Ubuntu.  You can look at it anyway, but I'd say wait before using the steps it outlines.  Here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[02:54] <zus> thanks, i use abletonLIVE on windows, cant wait to try this on
[02:55] <isaac_> Oh gag...
[02:56] <isaac_> Sorry, reflex.  I had a bad experience with Ableton, very bad audio.  But it seems very popular so my experience was probably a configuration error on my part.
[02:57] <isaac_> I use Reaper as my primary DAW in Windows.  In a Linux environment I use LMMS.
[02:57] <zus> i prefer reason to ableton but the guy who installed them used magicdisc and eventually reason asked for a cd
[02:59] <isaac_> hehehe
[03:00] <zus> i didnt like lmms as much as i though i would...but i also havent used it as long as i have reason or ableton. and never  tried reaper...
[03:01] <zus> i wanted to break away from windows, but i havent found program i like enough to make ambient music on outside of windows
[03:01] <isaac_> Give Reaper a shot.  It's "uncrippled, nonexpiring shareware," which means you can use it forever without paying for it but it is technically illegal and you really should pay the $50 for it.
[03:01] <isaac_> Ambient is easy.  Load a few pads and a lead, maybe some rhythm loops.
[03:02] <isaac_> For the record I did in fact pay for Reaper.  Yes, I'm too honest for my own good.  It was worth the $50. :)
[03:03] <isaac_> Gotta go.  Good luck, whichever way you decide to go.
[03:03] <zus> thank you have a good night
[03:17] <cjdevlin> i had a question about whether or not a pinnacle 710 usb video capture device would be usable w/ ubuntu. i checked the kino docs and it referenced linux1394.org, but that site seems to be defunct. can anyone please point me in the right direction?
[03:25] <holstein> hey cjdevlin
[03:25] <holstein> what are you running now?
[03:25] <holstein> windows?
[03:26] <holstein> i would just try a liveCD
[03:26] <holstein> normal lucid vanilla live CD
[03:26] <holstein> and run lsusb and lspci
[03:27] <holstein> in my experience, even if i read it, i want to see it happening on my computer
[03:27] <holstein> all it takes is a kernel update, and you can loose support for an older device
[03:31] <holstein> cjdevlin: im at http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24002
[03:31] <holstein> mepis is debian based too
[03:31] <holstein> doesnt look good for linux support
[03:31] <cjdevlin> i have 8.04 LTS on my laptop
[03:31] <cjdevlin> but the video is working on an xp box
[03:31] <holstein> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_Studio_700
[03:32] <holstein> its not going to hurt to plug it in and try it
[03:33] <holstein> but i dont think one was written for it, and i dought anyone will write anything for it now
[03:44] <cjdevlin> ok thanks. that 700 isn't the usb one
[03:47] <holstein> i think its refering to the 700 series, but im not sure
[03:55] <cjdevlin> i tried plugging it in, but nothing comes up
[03:55] <cjdevlin> is there some way for me to see what the os 'thinks' is connected to the comp?
[03:56] <cjdevlin> b/c the pinnacle daxxles work
[03:56] <cjdevlin> dazzles*
[08:27] <MXGamer101> hello!
[08:28] <MXGamer101> anyone available for a technical support question?
[08:40] <jussi> MXGamer101: just ask, and see :)
[08:40] <jussi> brb though
[08:45] <MXGamer101> having a little bit of an issue with the installation of ubuntu studio
[08:45] <MXGamer101> i cant seem to install the bootloader
[08:45] <MXGamer101> the entire process goes fine until it requests for either GRUB2 or LILO, neither of which seem to want to install
[08:50] <jussi> MXGamer101: curious. what kind of pc you have? did you check the disk befoe hand?
[08:52] <MXGamer101> custom built PC, setup has 2x 500GB hds in Raid0 and 1x 1TB hd. Ubuntu Studio was installed on the Raid0 setup partitioned currently as 800gb(win7) and 100gb(ubuntu)
[08:53] <MXGamer101> or 93.4 for ubuntuand 4gb swa, showing from windows 7 dissk manager
[08:56] <jussi> ahh, sounds like it cant install grub because of your "interesting" raid setup. Im not really sure on how to fix this, but you could ask in the generic #ubuntu channel also.
[08:57] <MXGamer101> hmm, okay, thanks! =)
[09:55] <Esox> Hello I'm on 10.04 and have a ffado mixer issue : somehow the connection to the dbus-service of FFADO couldn't be established
[09:55] <Esox> FFADO and jackd work ok on the MOTU 828 mkII
[10:12] <astraljava> Esox: Is there an error message? Can you pastebin it, please?
[10:24] <tjingboem> after i log in it takes 30 seconds before i can actually use the system. can i speed up this process?
[10:37] <astraljava> tjingboem: You might wanna ask that in #ubuntu, people are currently tweaking their systems regarding boot up speed, so more experience there.
[10:38] <tjingboem> astraljava, right. it is quite possible that this is not a ubuntustudio issue but a ubuntu one. i'll ask there! thanks!
[10:57] <tjingboem> nvidia-driver works with 2.6.32-21-preempt but not with 2.6.32-22-preempt. what must i change?
[11:04] <astraljava> tjingboem: How did you install the drivers? From ubuntu repositories, or from nvidia website?
[11:06] <tjingboem> ubuntustudio with 2.6.32-21-preempt asked me if i wanted to use the nvidiadriver and i said yes.  there i have twinview
[11:06] <tjingboem> but updatung to 2.6.32-22-preempt nvidia seems to be gone
[11:07] <tjingboem> when i look at "hardware drivers" i can see it is still activated thuogh
[11:08] <tjingboem> and my xorg.conf has not changed
[11:12] <tjingboem> okay, i am going back to 2.6.32-21-preempt now...
[11:19] <astraljava> tjingboem: You can reinstall the package that provides the driver, might help, but I'm not sure though.
[11:20] <tjingboem> i'll stick with .21 for yhe moment if there are not very important improvements
[11:20] <tjingboem> i still have other things to figure out
[11:20] <astraljava> tjingboem: Haven't followed the lucid updates, as I don't have it installed on any machine yet.
[11:21] <tjingboem> i have 2 soundcards. how can i choose one in Totem?
[11:21] <tjingboem> thanks astraljava for your effort
[11:22] <tjingboem> i am always updating, just can not help myself :)
[11:22] <astraljava> np. :) Yeah, I would too if I wasn't building the house at the same time. :)
[11:23] <Esox> astraljava: the error message is the one I gave
[11:23] <tjingboem> i'm quite happy with .21 for the moment, no x-runs yet
[11:24] <astraljava> tjingboem: Oh, the way I usually deal with nvidia is by installing envy-ng. But then you definitely need to reinstall every time a kernel update is concluded.
[11:24] <tjingboem> ah, didnot know that
[11:26] <astraljava> Esox: You mean "somehow the connection to the dbus-service of FFADO couldn't be established" ?
[11:27] <astraljava> Esox: Nothing more specific?
[11:31] <tjingboem> i have 2 soundcards. how can i choose one in Totem?
[11:32] <tjingboem> i guess i must choose with the pulsaudio volume control
[11:32] <tjingboem> lol, works
[11:35] <tjingboem> is the envy mixer i used with my Maudio card become obsolete with pulsaudio?
[11:39] <astraljava> tjingboem: I can't find anything with envy in the lucid archives, so I suppose so...
[11:40] <tjingboem> well, as long as the new system works i have no problem with it
[11:41] <tjingboem> have to go, astraljava, thanks and see you
[11:41] <astraljava> tjingboem: No prob, see ya later.
[11:47] <astraljava> Esox: Sorry, I can't find much talk on the 'net with that error message. Maybe you should post an email to the mailing list, and see whether you reach someone knowledgeable that way?
[13:18] <icon_x> hello everyone
[13:19] <icon_x> i need help about setting up and installing fst for using vst plugins, is there anybody online that has set up fst for ubuntu studio??
[13:26] <astraljava> icon_x: There's a dated how-to here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=557466
[13:26] <astraljava> icon_x: Don't know how much has changed since then.
[13:27] <icon_x> thank you
[13:27] <astraljava> icon_x: The author is still involved with the project, though, and with the same nick here in IRC, so ask around if that how-to won't work.
[13:27] <icon_x> i am new to irc
[13:27] <icon_x> how can i find someone in irc
[13:28] <astraljava> icon_x: Whenever you come here, just check the names of the people who are on the channel. If you see stochastic here, ping him by typing his nick first on the line.
[13:29] <icon_x> oh we are writing nicks manually
[13:29] <astraljava> icon_x: Don't know what IRC client you use, but with irssi it happens by typing a few chars and hitting tab, which auto-completes the nick for you.
[13:29] <icon_x> nice
[16:40] <Esox> astraljava: thanks
[18:05] <_pg_> does anyone know how I can get all my precious typefaces from osx (fontbook) to Ubuntu Lucid?
[18:17] <astraljava> _pg_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-371911.html
[18:17] <astraljava> _pg_: Second hit in google: "os x fonts to linux"
[18:18] <_pg_> astraljava: ;}
[18:18] <astraljava> _pg_: :D Granted, that's probably not with Lucid, but try it out anyway.
[18:21] <_pg_> astraljava: I will when I get home. thanks.
[19:15] <naptastic> For audio production, what advantage does Ubuntu Studio offer over stock Ubuntu 10.04? I'm compiling most all of my apps myself.
[19:16] <jussi> naptastic: the real time kernel
[19:16] <jussi> !rt
[19:27] <naptastic> jussi, thanks. Is the Ubuntu Studio realtime kernel different / better than the one available in the regular Ubuntu repository via apt-get install linux-rt?
[19:28] <astraljava> naptastic: It's the same. Ubuntu Studio uses all the same components available in the standard Ubuntu repositories.
[19:29] <naptastic> astraljava, thanks. I am running the -rt kernel right now...
[19:56] <boch_> Hi, i have installed Lucid Lynx in my desktop and i want to use a real time kernel like UbuntuStudio does, without having to reinstall the whole system again. Is it possible? Is there some repository or package for realtime kernel ?
[19:57] <naptastic> boch_, you should be able to do this: sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[19:58] <boch_> naptastic, that will be great, thank you