[00:00] <maxo> BluesKaj: that's interesting, maybe I'll try removing them and see if it speeds things up for me
[00:02] <DerDui> mal ne andere frage, wie kann ich ein vorhandenes ntfslaufwek wieder mounten?
[00:02] <BluesKaj> <--- 64bit amd
[00:03] <DerDui> sorry, wrong language^^
[00:03] <ardchoille> !ntfs
[00:03] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[00:04] <DerDui> how to mount a windows partition, that i dont see in my folders
[00:04] <ardchoille> DerDui: ^^
[00:11] <Arvid> I'm trying to install RC2, but I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/812744
[00:11] <Arvid> what do I do now?
[00:11] <LjL> !brokenkde4 | Arvid
[00:11] <ubotu> Arvid: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[00:11] <BluesKaj> DerDui, check system menu /storage media
[00:12] <Arvid> LjL: will do
[00:14] <Arvid> LjL: hmm - it didn't quite do the trick: http://pastebin.ca/812749
[00:15] <deuryt1> xcell
[00:15] <stdin> Arvid: just add those packages to the end of the command
[00:15] <stdin> Arvid: kdebase-runtime-bin, kdebase-workspace-bin and libplasma1
[00:16] <LjL> stdin: uhm, know why precisely the RC2 repository feels like giving me new versions of my KDE 3.5.8 stuff?
[00:16] <Arvid> stdin: now it's doing something :)
[00:16] <stdin> LjL: because it is :)
[00:17] <LjL> i'm not sure i'm quite entirely comfortable with that
[00:17] <hydrogen> its necessary so that you can install kde4
[00:17] <stdin> LjL: kdebase was packaged slightly differently to allow it to better co-exist with kde4, that's all
[00:17] <Daisuke_Ido> still got it dropping back to kdm without starting the DE
[00:17] <LjL> stdin: ok, but what if new packages appear in gutsy-security or gutsy-updates?
[00:18] <stdin> LjL: the kdebase package will eventually be in gutsy-backports afaik
[00:19] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: edited the startkde script?
[00:19] <LjL> i'm still not convinced... but bah, i'll do it anyway
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: the page doesn't say a thing about editing startkde
[00:20] <stdin> LjL: it's not like it's my custom package, it's just backported from hardy
[00:20] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: yep, it's a little bug no one saw (fix is uploaded, just waiting on it to be built)
[00:20] <stdin> just edit /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and change line 3 from "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:ATH" to "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH"
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> hah
[00:20] <stdin> make treats variables oddly
[00:21] <LjL> stdin: which is not quite stable as far as i'm aware... i'd rather aim at a *stable* system with an unstable KDE4 to play with when i feel like - a generally unstable system is not my goal :)
[00:21] <Daisuke_Ido> that explains everything (especially why it couldn't find cd or sed)
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> stdin: this looks likes its fun... they should do this to all developers who have bugs in their programs ...lol
[00:21] <afrol>  /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde has a typo in it for the kde4rc2 repo, is this known? (line 3, :ATH -> :$PATH)
[00:21] <Daisuke_Ido> afrol: it was just mentioned like...  10 seconds ago
[00:22] <stdin> LjL: the only thing that changed from gutsy to hardy kdebase is the packaging, same version of kde
[00:22] <afrol> Daisuke_Ido: doy, sorry!
[00:22] <LjL> stdin: yeah what with little bugs such as the one above (although the one above is about KDE4, ok) :)
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> afrol: no worries, at least you caught it, i was completely oblivious!
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> brb
[00:23] <Minataku> That's a pretty serious bug
[00:24] <hydrogen> its for the kde4 packages..
[00:24] <hydrogen> its not like its going to make someones system explode
[00:24] <Minataku> It's a blocker-class defect
[00:24] <Minataku> The fact that it wasn't caught means someone needs to be reprimanded
[00:24] <Minataku> A simple check consisiting of installing the package and testing it should have caught it
[00:25] <Ganondork> Where does konversation store script files?
[00:25] <Daisuke_Ido> intriguing
[00:25] <Ganondork> Daisuke: Where does konversation store script files?
[00:26]  * stdin reprimands Minataku for wanting to reprimand someone
[00:26] <Daisuke_Ido> erm
[00:26] <Daisuke_Ido> iunno
[00:26] <Ganondork> I forgot
[00:26] <hydrogen> $KDEROOT/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[00:26] <Ganondork> grrr
[00:26] <Ganondork> thanks
[00:26] <LjL> stdin, ignore.
[00:26] <Daisuke_Ido> that is a very large clock
[00:28] <Ganondork> hydrogen: what is the default file extension for a konversation script?
[00:28] <hydrogen> there isn't one
[00:28] <hydrogen> it could be any language
[00:29] <stdin> Ganondork: as long as the file is executable
[00:29] <Ganondork> hmmm
[00:29] <mschiff> hey i just tried to install rc2 packahes on gutsy.... but they want to overwrite kde3 files... :-/
[00:29] <Ganondork> I'm trying to write a script that displays random riddles, and I don't know what to save it as
[00:29] <stdin> *sigh*
[00:29] <stdin> !brokenkde4 | mschiff
[00:29] <ubotu> mschiff: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[00:30] <Titanous> I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png
[00:30] <Titanous> What should I do?
[00:31] <mschiff> stdin: I will try... I followed the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php, which seem to lack some information then...
[00:31] <Ganondork> fixed it
[00:31] <stdin> mschiff: yes, I've let the editor know
[00:32] <Daisuke_Ido> well, kde4 seems to work remarkably well
[00:32] <hydrogen> heh
[00:32] <hydrogen> how low standards have fallen
[00:32] <Daisuke_Ido> ...the taskbar is ugly as sin and i can't shrink the ginormous digital clock, but it works
[00:32] <hydrogen> :)
[00:32] <hydrogen> I'd say its passable
[00:33] <Daisuke_Ido> all in all, i'd rather go gnome
[00:33] <hydrogen> its still got a long ways to go before it can compete with kde3
[00:33] <hydrogen> although the new kwin is very nice
[00:33] <Daisuke_Ido> that is nice, built in compositing
[00:33] <stdin> hydrogen: wait until kde 4.5.8, that'll rock :p
[00:33] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Ido: I had to try to use a CentOS Gnome desktop the other day.  <shudder>.  Horrible.
[00:34] <hydrogen> stdin: thats a bad way to look at it thoguh.. new releases are supposed to add things, not take them away
[00:34] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: at least i can edit the *size* of the panel in gnome :\
[00:35] <stdin> hydrogen: I was saying in a slightly, sarcastic way, that: yeah, you can't really compare kde4 to kde 3.x
[00:36] <hydrogen> stdin: most people who say that say it defensivly,, in an attempt to justify it
[00:36] <hydrogen> which is why I responded as I did
[00:36] <Daisuke_Ido> so far i'm seeing less customization than 3.x
[00:36] <Daisuke_Ido> ...less customization than gnome...
[00:36] <stdin> hydrogen: I know the feeling there.. :)
[00:36] <Daisuke_Ido> ...  not for me, not yet
[00:37] <Chousuke> Daisuke_Ido: Who cares about the amount of customisation you can do.
[00:37] <Chousuke> I'd worry about being able to customise the things I want to customise.
[00:38] <LjL> if there's overall fewer things that can be customized, it's likely that there will be fewer things that can be customized which you want to customize
[00:38] <hydrogen> yes
[00:38] <Chousuke> Well, yeah
[00:38] <hydrogen> very little is customizable at this point
[00:38] <Chousuke> but making everything customisable isn't good either :/
[00:38] <hydrogen> and the panel is an iSore
[00:38] <hydrogen> but its usable
[00:39] <Arvid> So - I got KDE4 installed from the PPA now, but when i try to log in I just get thrown out (back to kdm) again
[00:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Arvid: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde - line 3, change ATH to $PATH
[00:39] <Chousuke> My number one complaint with KDE3 always was that it was too damn complicated.
[00:39] <Ganondork> hmmm
[00:40] <stdin> Arvid: you have a choice here, you can wait about an hour and get the update, or fix it manually
[00:40] <Arvid> stdin: If it's as simple as Daisuke_Ido says I'll fix it myself
[00:40] <Ganondork> ...
[00:40] <LjL> Chousuke: i can agree with that to an extent, however there's also pretty obscure features in KDE which are a big part of the *reason* i use it in the first place. such as having optional top-of-screen menubars.
[00:40] <Chousuke> there were so many options presented that finding the one I wanted was a chore :/
[00:40] <LjL> take away all those little niceties from me, and i'd probably go with GNOME
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> LjL: if i wanted a menubar at the top of the screen, i'd get a mac :P
[00:41] <LjL> Daisuke_Ido: that's nonsense.
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i've played with kde's, and it isn't too bad
[00:41] <LjL> there are a thousand other reasons why i'd not be getting a Mac.
[00:41] <Chousuke> I have a mac :P
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> my only complaint is lack of integration
[00:41] <LjL> and a top-of-the-screen menu bar isn't something specific to Macs, either.
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> firefox, for instance
[00:41] <Ganondork> grrrr
[00:42] <Ganondork> stdin: could you help me out with my script?
[00:42] <Daisuke_Ido> LjL: but it is the most famous "everyone's seen one" example
[00:42] <Chousuke> and just for the record, I have done quite a lot of customisation on it. :P
[00:42] <LjL> Daisuke_Ido, when i use KDE, i use KDE, and if i can avoid using non-KDE applications, i do, so that's not a huge issue for me
[00:42] <Daisuke_Ido> LjL: fair enough
[00:42] <stdin> Ganondork: I could, but there is #konversation too :)
[00:42] <Ganondork> ah
[00:42]  * hydrogen avoids firefox the the plague
[00:42] <hydrogen> err
[00:42] <hydrogen> like the
[00:42] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not a big fan of konqueror to begin with, and what toher choices are there?
[00:43] <deuryt1> xcell
[00:43] <Arvid> Daisuke_Ido: I guess you mean ATH -> $PATH and not just ATH -> PATH
[00:43] <Daisuke_Ido> that's what i said, isn't it?
[00:43] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[00:43] <XceII> ya
[00:43] <deuryt1> what happened in there?
[00:43] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure the $ is there :)
[00:43] <Arvid> Daisuke_Ido: sorry :/ My bad
[00:43] <LjL> Daisuke_Ido: it probably is, but that doesn't mean it's stupid to use such scheme on other systems, as you seemed to imply. i've been used to a top-of-screen menubar since forever, although i've never owned a mac. it's a feature that's been available in KDE for a long time. it hardly hurts anybody
[00:43] <NickPresta> is having 'kdebase-bin-kde3' removed when trying to install the KDE4 packages normal?
[00:43] <XceII> dont know was not there
[00:43] <Arvid> Daisuke_Ido: must have misread it
[00:44] <deuryt1> offtopic?  you just left
[00:44] <stdin> NickPresta: yep, it'll install kdebase-bin-kde4 to replace it (that's fine)
[00:44] <NickPresta> stdin, thanks.
[00:44] <deuryt1> you didn't stick around for th ko
[00:44] <Daisuke_Ido> LjL: nonono, i was mostly joking with the mac commend - notice the comment saying that i've used the menubar, and aside from minor integration issues, i really like it :)
[00:44] <deuryt1> the  ko
[00:44] <XceII> U r too aggressive to the ill understanding..they dont even have milk and you shove meat down their throat
[00:44] <Chousuke> top-of-screen menubar is nice if you have two monitors
[00:44] <Ganondork> stdin: I have something else I need help with
[00:44] <Chousuke> it saves some space from the second :)
[00:45] <deuryt1> too big of gloves ??
[00:45] <XceII> ya
[00:45] <LjL> uhm uhm uhm there's something else i'm missing.
[00:45] <deuryt1> well. I think like a tazer.......
[00:45] <Ganondork> stdin: [0.0000000]   ACPI DMI BIOS year==0 something something assuming ACPI capable machine
[00:45] <LjL> isn't installing kdebase-workspace and kdebase-runtime supposed to bring you, say, dolphin-kde4?
[00:45] <XceII> time to be gentle ..
[00:45] <LjL> if not, how exactly am i suppose to obtain a standard kde4 environment?
[00:46] <XceII> wait 20 mins and re-enter..and be cool
[00:46] <Ganondork> stdin: it says that when grub finishes loading and the screen says starting up. it freezes there and doesnt continue
[00:46] <nosrednaekim> LjL: yeah... I think dolphin is in workspace.
[00:46] <mot> hey, anybody herek now any utilities that will give me extended info on my RAM modules?
[00:46] <stdin> Ganondork: I'd assume that means that yo have a buggy BIOS, try booting with "noacpi"
[00:46] <mot> i'm shopping around for more RAM but don't remembre the clock speeds offhand...
[00:46] <LjL> nosrednaekim, well, i've installed those, but "Need to get 19.1MB of archives." sounded a bit suspicious... and dolphin-kde4 for instance is not installed
[00:47] <deuryt1> px  brb
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> LjL: hmm maybe the packages are different this time.
[00:47] <XceII> k
[00:47] <r0y4l> hi! does anyone know if it is possible to change the view of the file list in kate? i want to change it to a "tree like" view.
[00:47] <Ganondork> stdin: you mean press escape during grub's loading, and add in a new line?
[00:47] <r0y4l> atm it's only possible to change into ONE directory at once...
[00:47] <stdin> Ganondork: add it to the end of the kernel line
[00:47] <Ganondork> alright
[00:48] <Ganondork> I'll try that later
[00:48] <Ganondork> thanks
[00:48] <LjL> nosrednaekim: oh wait, kdebase-bin-kde3 has been removed for me as for NickPresta... stdin said that's normal, but i doubt that « dpkg: kdebase-bin-kde3: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: kdebase-bin depends on kdebase-bin-kde3 | kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4; however: Package kdebase-bin-kde3 is to be removed. Package kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is not installed. » is also normal?!
[00:48] <Ganondork> stdin: I also tried booting into recovery mode, and when it froze, it said something like -n clocksource
[00:49] <nosrednaekim> LjL: whoah...
[00:49] <XceII> ya
[00:49] <NickPresta> LjL, using aptitude, I didn't get any dep. problems. *shrugs*
[00:49] <Titanous> I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png
[00:49] <Titanous> What should I do?
[00:49] <stdin> LjL: that's normal because kdebase-bin-kde4 isn't installed yet, it'll be installed after kdebase-bin-kde3 is removed
[00:49] <NickPresta> LjL, actually, I did. I missed the output. :)
[00:51] <Ganondork> stdin: do you know if there is a fix for NeoMagic video cards? My screen often gets little lines all over it in GNOME.  In KDE, there are vertical lines all over the menus
[00:51] <Alonea> is kde4 is the repos now or do I have to still compile it myself? Do I need to uninstall the compiled version and put on a different one now?
[00:51] <hydrogen> read the topic..
[00:52] <supert0ne1> anyone got a link to screenshots of rc2?
[00:53] <hydrogen> it looks the same as rc1
[00:53] <NickPresta> well, I'm successfully running KDE4 RC2 via Xerphyr xterm method. Looks neat
[00:53] <hydrogen> just a few more things might work.
[00:53] <LjL> perhaps dolphin-kde4 (and the lot of other stuff, using dolphin just as an example) is installed as a recommend, and for some reason my apt-get doesn't install recommends...? :|
[00:53] <Alonea> hydrogen: so sorry. completely didn't see it. ^^;;;
[00:53] <LjL> supert0ne1: google "kde 4 rc 2", first link
[00:53]  * hydrogen has been using kde4 as his only desktop for a few days now
[00:53] <stdin> LjL: kdebase-kde4 depends in dolphin-kde4 (in fact it's the 1st dependency)
[00:54] <stdin> Ganondork: can't say I do, sorry
[00:55] <Ganondork> stdin: I typed something into a konsole last time and that fixed it.  Someone here told me what to do because they had the same problem with another old Sony Vaio
[00:56] <stdin> LjL: hmm, guess what :) nither kdebase-workspace or kdebase-runtime depend on kdebase-kde4
[00:56] <LjL> stdin: indeed
[00:56] <LjL> it wasn't quite installed
[00:56] <stdin> right, let me try knocking up a wiki page to use for now as a link in the topic
[00:58] <Dragnslcr> RC2 not going as smoothly as you hoped?
[00:58] <stdin> I never expect it go go smoothly, but it's going better than RC1 :)
[00:58] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[01:00] <Dragnslcr> By the way, something I noticed earlier. Can't remember how Freenode handles it, but the channel isn't +t
[01:00] <adamonline45> I'm a kopete lamer...
[01:00] <Dragnslcr> I think that's a Bad Thing (tm)
[01:00] <adamonline45> How do I direct connect through the AIM protocol?
[01:01] <thagor> daew galera so novato aki..
[01:01] <Dragnslcr> adamonline45- not sure if it's implemented yet. You can try asking in #kopete
[01:01] <thagor> mais alguem poderia me explicar como instalr o Amsn
[01:01] <stdin> Dragnslcr: some people seem to want to remove +t to edit the topic (go figure)
[01:02] <stdin> Dragnslcr: and by "some people" I mean other ops
[01:02] <LjL> stdin: well on rc1 it did install stuff, though... :)
[01:02] <LjL> !br | thagor
[01:02] <ubotu> thagor: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[01:02] <Dragnslcr> stdin- heh, I noticed that. I thought "wait a sec, I thought +t only prevented non-ops from changing the topic"
[01:02] <stdin> LjL: it also had a load of overwrite errors :)
[01:02] <LjL> stdin: yeah well so does this one
[01:03] <stdin> LjL: not after a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", and one package isn't "a load"
[01:04] <DaveyJ> alright i'm trying to download RC2 of kde4, and i'm having a bit of trouble
[01:04] <Minataku> You'll have even more trouble installing it
[01:04] <DaveyJ> lol
[01:04] <Minataku> And you don't want to KNOW the trouble you'll have _USING_ it
[01:04] <DaveyJ> you know what i mean
[01:04] <Minataku> lol
[01:04] <DaveyJ> Unpacking replacement ktip ...Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:04] <DaveyJ>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb
[01:05] <stdin> !brokenkde4
[01:05] <ubotu> If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[01:06] <NickPresta> What is a good example of something "KDE4" that I can show off?
[01:06] <DaveyJ> i would have never figured that out on my own
[01:06] <DaveyJ> thank you
[01:09] <Titanous> I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png
[01:09] <Titanous> What should I do?
[01:09] <MilitantPotato> KDE4 was released?
[01:10] <MilitantPotato> .
[01:10] <NickPresta> MilitantPotato, *points at topic*
[01:10] <NickPresta> :)
[01:10] <illusionize> how would I go about mounting the toshiba gigabeat s series in kubuntu for use with vmware? I can see the device under sudo lsusb but that's it
[01:10] <moofoo> hello, i tried to install kde4-rc2 but i get dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin
[01:10] <MilitantPotato> ah RC stage still, cool.
[01:11] <DaveyJ> i keep getting the same error even when i try to enter in the command that the bot gave me
[01:11] <kyled185> !brokenkde4 moofoo
[01:11] <kyled185> !brokenkde4 | moofoo
[01:11] <ubotu> moofoo: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[01:12] <moofoo> thanks
[01:12] <DaveyJ> thats what just happened to me moofoo
[01:12] <moofoo> maybe this should be put on the kubuntu.org site..
[01:13] <stdin> there are new temporary instructions in the topic already
[01:13] <moofoo> (i removed the two packages but not all)
[01:15] <DaveyJ> "Install all available updates (important to do this before continuing) "
[01:15] <illusionize> can any of this information be used in mounting my mp3 or is it all usless?
[01:15] <DaveyJ> i made a booboo
[01:15] <illusionize> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0930:0010 Toshiba Corp.
[01:15] <DaveyJ> is there a way to clear out whats trying to be installed?
[01:16] <DaveyJ> that way i can do other apt-get commands w/o having it automatically try and install something that failed
[01:16] <savetheWorld> hi, just encountered a small problem with networking on LTS 6.06 Kubuntu  i ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and got some errors about some postconf file not being there (sadly did not save the error)  Then i tried the system setting tools from the menus and when I opened the network services choice it gave me an erro about not being able to parse the XML in the config files?  Anyone seen this before? Anyone know a workaround?
[01:16] <stdin> DaveyJ: that's what the !brokenkde4 factoid is for
[01:16] <moofoo> i used aptitude as apt-get had troubles
[01:16] <stdin> try "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime libplasma1"
[01:16] <moofoo> s/apt-get/aptitude/ :)
[01:17] <stdin> apt-get works fine, and unless you installed with aptitude, then it makes no difference
[01:17] <DaveyJ> stdin: but when i go to do that.. it still gives me the same error
[01:17] <stdin> DaveyJ: pastebin them so I can see :)
[01:18] <moofoo> i installed everything aptitude and apt-get bailed out with the command.. anyway .. thanks for the hint ;)
[01:18] <DaveyJ> stdin: http://pastebin.org/11221
[01:18] <marx2k> I am trying to add this stream to amarok: http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=5114&file=filename.pls  --- but when I add it, it doesnt show up on the playlist, nor does it play
[01:19] <marx2k> and this happens with any stream I try to play in Amarok
[01:19] <Arvid> stdin: is there a devel package for kde4? which contains files like cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake
[01:19] <stdin> DaveyJ: you put kdebase-runtime twice, instead of "kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin"
[01:20] <NickPresta> marx2k, I just added it to my playlist. It plays fine (DJ Threat - The Unreaveling (156 heads tuned))
[01:20] <Titanous> I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png how do I fix it?
[01:20] <XceII> marx2k: That looks like a text file
[01:20] <DaveyJ> oh dear
[01:20] <marx2k> NickPresta: yep.. which is why Im asking in here :)
[01:20] <marx2k> Xcell: Nope, its a media stream
[01:20] <DaveyJ> but i copy and pasted!
[01:20] <XceII> wow
[01:20] <NickPresta> marx2k, well, I assume it works for others. Can you get the stream to play in another media player?
[01:20] <XceII> I couldnt load it either
[01:21] <marx2k> NickPresta: yep.
[01:21] <XceII> is it private?
[01:21] <marx2k> Xcell: No, its a shoutcast stream
[01:21] <XceII> oi
 try "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime libplasma1"
[01:21] <DaveyJ> see?
[01:21] <NickPresta> marx2k, when you load the playlist in Amarok, you should see several "songs" (links to choose from). Have you tried all of them?
[01:21] <DaveyJ> now its working :)
[01:21] <marx2k> NickPresta: thats the thing... nothing shows up in the playlist
[01:22] <marx2k> Amarok seems to be having net connectivity issues... but only Amarok.. no other player
[01:22] <stdin> Arvid: there are tons of -dev packages, "kdebase-dev-kde4, kdelibs5-dev, kdepimlibs5-dev, libkonq5-dev, libplasma-dev" should get just about all of it
[01:22] <XceII> marx2k:  It cant..it seems invalad.
[01:22] <NickPresta> marx2k, hmm, strange. *shrugs*. Perhaps you should ask in #amarok. See if other amarok users can get it to load. They might be able to diagnose your problem.
[01:22] <marx2k> Ill ask in #amarok :)
[01:22] <Arvid> stdin: okey - thanks
[01:22] <stdin> DaveyJ: ok then :p "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin libplasma1"
[01:23] <moofoo> illusionize: try to activate MSC transfer mode on the device if possible.. it's probably using MTP..
[01:23] <DaveyJ> lol its working now :) thanks
[01:23] <XceII> marx2k:  report back with fix..thanks
[01:24] <stdin> !no brokenkde4 is <reply> If  you're trying to install KDE4 RC2  but getting errors about files being overwritten, first remove all the KDE4 packages using the !Terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin libplasma1 » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[01:24] <DaveyJ> yay time to go play :)
[01:25] <XceII> Play with what?
[01:25] <XceII> oi
[01:25] <NickPresta> XceII, KDE4
[01:25] <XceII> ah..I cant
[01:26] <XceII> he'll be back..lol.
[01:27] <XceII> Cant wait for hardy..should rock the house.
[01:28] <XceII> marx2k left without report..hmn.
[01:29] <savetheWorld> hi, just encountered a small problem with networking on LTS 6.06 Kubuntu  i ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and got some errors about some postconf file not being there (sadly did not save the error)  Then i tried the system setting tools from the menus and when I opened the network services choice it gave me an erro about not being able to parse the XML in the config files?  Anyone seen this before? Anyone know a workaround?
[01:30] <savetheWorld> Alternatively - anyone know how i can re-initialize the xml config files for networking?
[01:30] <savetheWorld> strangely  eth0 and lo are up, I can ping stuff on the LAN, but DNS isn't owrking
[01:30] <savetheWorld> *working
[01:32]  * lavacano201014 Smells Like Teen Spirit - Never Mind - Nirvana (x«amarok)
[01:32] <XceII> global intrusive trash.
[01:32] <BluesKaj> lavacano201014, who cares..
[01:33] <ardchoille> lavacano201014: Can you please turn that global music post off?
[01:33] <BluesKaj> over rated band anyway :)
[01:33] <dmcglone> Hey X
[01:33] <XceII> ya
[01:33] <XceII> hey
[01:33] <XceII> good 2 c ya dude
[01:33] <dmcglone> get the modem fixed?
[01:33] <XceII> works well
[01:33] <dmcglone> likewise
[01:34]  * lavacano201014 Yesterdays - Greatest Hits - Guns N' Roses (x«amarok)
[01:34] <XceII> cya
[01:34] <dmcglone> cool
[01:34] <XceII> lol
[01:34] <BluesKaj> uhmm, shall we summon the authorities ?
[01:34] <dmcglone> what are you talking about Blueskaj?
[01:35] <BluesKaj> not that it's real busy in here
[01:35] <XceII> dmcglone: cya in off topic in 10,,,,k?
[01:35] <XceII> k
[01:35] <dmcglone> k
[01:35] <dmcglone> #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:35] <XceII> ya
[01:35] <XceII> things 2 do..in 10
[01:36] <marx2k> ok...apparently rebooting solved the Amarok connectivity issue...
[01:43] <jembouge> hi there
[01:44] <nosrednaekimhi> hi jembouge
[01:44] <jembouge> for some reason I removed kdmtheme and reinstalled it again
[01:44] <jembouge> hi nosrednaekimhi
[01:44] <jembouge> the thing is, the logging screen doesn't use any theme anymore... :'(
[01:44] <jembouge> anyone knows how to fix this?
[01:45] <jeramy> Anybody else out there unsuccessfully install KDE 4-RC2?
[01:45] <nosrednaekimhi> jeramy: tons of people..
[01:46] <jeramy> Hm.
[01:46] <nosrednaekimhi> !brokenkde4
[01:46] <ubotu> If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[01:46] <jeramy> ok.  Thanks.
[01:47] <jeramy> Funny thing is that it looks like a KDE 3 package.
[01:47] <jeramy> k3b and a few other programs depend on it
[01:47] <nosrednaekimhi> jeramy: yeah.... kdelibs5
[01:47] <nosrednaekimhi> its being replaced with a more kde4 compatible version
[01:48] <jeramy> Oh, I already removed that one.
[01:48] <BluesKaj> notice term "unsuccessfully'...not worth the trouble til it's ready fpr prime time , from the reports I've read
[01:48] <thegattaca> hi, #ubuntu has no answer ... how does one make flash player work on gutsy 64bit?
[01:48] <nosrednaekimhi> erm... wait..not that one... the kde3 libs...
[01:48] <nosrednaekimhi> !flash64 | thegattaca
[01:48] <ubotu> thegattaca: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[01:48] <thegattaca> thanks :D
[01:49] <jeramy> I get "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin"
[01:49] <hydrogen> !fixkde4
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixkde4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <hydrogen> !brokenkde4
[01:50] <ubotu> If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[01:50]  * nosrednaekimhi goes to the scrollback for stdins instructions
[01:50] <hydrogen> I knew it was one of the two :P
[01:50] <nosrednaekimhi> oh... they updated it! yay!
[01:51] <stdin> hydrogen: if you'd have waited a few seconds you'll have seen the new streamlined command :)
[01:51] <tekteen> hi guys
[01:51] <nosrednaekimhi> hi tekteen
[01:51] <stdin> !brokenkde4
[01:51] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[01:52] <jeramy> Here's what I get when I run that:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47902/
[01:52] <stdin> jeramy: try the "new" command
[01:52] <stdin> sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}'
[01:52] <stdin> opps
[01:53] <stdin> sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}')
[01:53] <jeramy> Sweet.  That worked.  :)
[01:53] <Voyage__> > what are sys requirments for ubuntu?
[01:54] <nosrednaekimhi> Voyage__: I'd say about 800mhz and 256 of ram for Kubuntu
[01:55] <tektee1> hi
[01:55] <jtt> k3b on gutsy fails to copy a cd looked on google no info anyone have any info about this have latest k3b version
[01:55] <jeramy> Hi tekteel
[01:56] <tektee1> ?
[01:56] <tektee1> my name is tekteen
[01:56] <tektee1> I am going to try logging in again
[01:56] <tektee1> :-)
[01:56] <lavacano201014> it got nuked
[01:56] <BluesKaj> jtt , install libdvdcss2 from the medibuntu repository
[01:56] <stdin> lavacano201014: don't enable talking scripts in these channels
[01:57] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | jtt
[01:57] <ubotu> jtt: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[01:57] <lavacano201014> stdin: i wasnt tring
[01:57] <lavacano201014> trying*
[01:57] <jeramy> Funny... both tekteen and tekteel came up when I hit tab.  :)
[01:57] <lavacano201014> just on one of my EFNet chans i was
[01:57] <stdin> well your amarok script was on and spamming several channels
[01:57] <lavacano201014> on
[01:57] <jtt> BluesKaj, thanks will look it over
[01:58] <lavacano201014> stdin: i am an xchat n00b
[01:58] <tektee1> anyone know why if I tell pidgin my name is tekteen I am logged in as tektee1
[01:58] <jeramy> Nope.  :)
[01:58] <lavacano201014> tektee1: tekteen is already in here
[01:58] <stdin> lavacano201014: if you want to be able to join #ubuntu-offtopic again then you should head into #ubuntu-ops and ask forgiveness ;)
[01:58] <BluesKaj> use konversation
[01:59] <tektee1> lavacano201014: Interesting
[01:59] <lavacano201014> stdin: i wasnt aware i was banned from #u-o again
[01:59] <lavacano201014> thanks for the heads up
[01:59] <jeramy> again?  D-oh!
[01:59] <LjL> stdin, any reason you don't say to install kdebase-kde4 in the wiki?
[02:00] <stdin> LjL: because it's 2am and I forgot :p I'll add it
[02:00] <LjL> stdin: heh... is that the only thing that should need to be installed anyway aside from the standard two?
[02:01] <nestor> holA lavacano201014
[02:01] <stdin> LjL: no, kdebase was separated into 3 separate packages (by kde not us), and they don't actually depend on each other
[02:01] <LjL> stdin: like, uhm, i think rc1 installed stuff like okular as well? (or not?)
[02:02] <stdin> LjL: okular is a separate package, not part of the kde release
[02:03] <LjL> ok
[02:05] <jtt> BluesKaj, thanks for the info never copied a cd before only created ISO images good info momentarily forgot about the RIAA and their corhorts trying to restrict my Legal copying
[02:06] <stdin> LjL: nope, I'm wrong :p it was a separate package, now it's in kdegraphics
[02:06] <kyled185> so with KDE4 RC2 are we supposed to install kdebase-kde4
[02:06] <nosrednaekimhi> kyled185: yes
[02:06] <kyled185> alright thanks
[02:08] <kyled185> and the new packages automagically let one select a KDE4 session when logging in?
[02:09] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm having trouble getting into a full kde4 session when logging in, can anyone help me out?
[02:10] <nosrednaekimhi> Ch1ppy: what does it say?
[02:10] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: I don't get the option to choose kde4 at all
[02:11] <nosrednaekimhi> Ch1ppy: you look in the sessions menu?
[02:11] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: sure did
[02:11] <nosrednaekimhi> Ch1ppy: you may beed to restart kdm, not sure.
[02:11] <newuser> Hello all,, Is there a program I can use to view a file created in my camera.....  It is a .mov file
[02:11] <nosrednaekimhi> *need
[02:11] <nosrednaekimhi> !w32codecs
[02:11] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:11] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: ah, okay.  Will try that, thanks
[02:12] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: should I be running kdm-kde4 or does it matter?
[02:12] <stdin> Ch1ppy: no, the normal kdm will work
[02:12] <nosrednaekimhi> Ch1ppy: no, shouldn't have to
[02:12] <Ch1ppy> stdin: thanks again :)
[02:12] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: and you too :)
[02:13] <newuser> Is there a program to view .mov files is gutsy??
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> haha.... didn't realize I changed my nick :D
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> !w32codecs | newuser
[02:13] <ubotu> newuser: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:15] <newuser> ok...  I am a "newuser" and I dont mean to burden anyone but I don't know what it means to see nosrednaekim's message   !w32codecs and I dont know exaxtly what to look for in the last message either
[02:15] <newuser> using 7.10
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> newuser:  you need to ead the link to that wiki.
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> *read
[02:17] <hoopoe> can you post the link about installing 64bit flash please??
[02:17] <Ch1ppy> hey, I've tried restarting kdm, but still no option to select kde4 as a session, anyone have any ideas?
[02:17] <newuser> sorry guys... I dont mean to be so ignorant but where is       !w32codecs
[02:17] <newuser> do I search online?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> newuser: ! is a bot command
[02:17] <Hobbsee> so, ubotu replied to that command, as you'll see above
[02:17] <newuser> in terminal?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> newuser: take a look at this page http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:18] <Hobbsee> [13:13] <ubotu> newuser: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> oops... actually wong thing :D
[02:18] <Hobbsee> newuser: ^ bot
[02:18] <Hobbsee> !ubotu
[02:18] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> !medibuntu
[02:18] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[02:18] <jeramy> !w32codecs
[02:18] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:18] <jeramy> Just had to try it.  :)
[02:19] <tekteen> anyone know why the network interface would change everytime I reboot my computer (from eth1 to eth2 to eth3 ...) .
[02:19] <tekteen> It is a new computer so I am so far up to eth20
[02:19] <Ch1ppy> hey, can anyone help me getting into a kde4 session?  the option isn't showing up as an option when I login
[02:20] <stdin> Ch1ppy: you choose it before you login
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: yowy!
[02:20] <jeramy> Ch1ppy: I ended up adding something to /usr/share/ in RC1.
[02:20] <newuser> ok  I did  /msg ubotu medibuntu in a terminal window and nothing came up
[02:20] <Ch1ppy> stdin: sorry that bit was a little ambiguous, I know that, that's where there's no option
[02:20] <jeramy> Is it still necessary?
[02:20] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: I have 2 network problems
[02:21] <Ch1ppy> jeramy: I had that from RC1, and it didn't say for this one, but when I didn't get the option I tried doing that again, it's not showing up
[02:21] <stdin> Ch1ppy: do you have kdebase-workspace-data installed and kdebase-kde4 ?
[02:21] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: the other is that knetwork manager does not see my wireless card.
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: but iwconfig does?
[02:21] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: ye
[02:21] <tekteen> yes*
[02:21] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: I just installed it with ndiswrapper
[02:22] <stdin> Ch1ppy: and kdebase-workspace-bin as well
[02:22] <jeramy> dohhh.. kdm-kde4 fails in the postinstall
[02:22] <Ch1ppy> jeramy: oh yes, I got that too :)
[02:22] <stdin> jeramy: why are you installing kdm-kde4 anyway?
[02:22] <jeramy> Why not?
[02:22] <stdin> you don't need kdm-kde4
[02:23] <Ch1ppy> stdin: apparently not, although I thought I did.  Will try again now, thanks
[02:23] <jeramy> Oh.  I wanted to test out what the fonts look like.  I'm currently using gdm, and the fonts look tiny in kde4
[02:23] <stdin> Ch1ppy: see the new link in the topic for a slightly updated instructions
[02:24] <jeramy> Switching between the two login managers made a big difference way in the past, so I thought I'd try for the heck of it.
[02:24] <stdin> the kde3 version of kdm is much more stable
[02:25] <jeramy> I believe you.  I just wanted to see it.
[02:25] <Ch1ppy> ah, isn't this a fun little adventure :)  Now when I try to login to kde4 it throws me back to the login screen with no errors
[02:25] <jeramy> Any idea why the font is so tiny?
[02:25] <stdin> Ch1ppy: now update :)
[02:26] <Ch1ppy> stdin: update?
[02:26] <Ch1ppy> stdin: you mean upgrade?
[02:26] <jeramy> ie... dist-upgrade
[02:26] <stdin> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:26] <stdin> so both actually
[02:26] <Ch1ppy> stdin: rgr, running now, thanks
[02:27] <Ch1ppy> trying again :)
[02:30] <Ch1ppy> hello again, and sorry for being such a pain.... I'm all upgraded, but I still get thrown back to the login screen with no error when I try to get into a kde4 session
[02:30] <stdin> what does "apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace" show (pastebin it)
[02:31] <Ch1ppy> stdin: ^_- it wasn't installed... that's messed up
[02:31] <stdin> Ch1ppy: have a look at the wiki page in the topic, install the packages it says :)
[02:32] <Ch1ppy> stdin: that's the thing, I did
[02:32] <Ch1ppy> stdin: so I'm a little confused.  Trying again though, brb
[02:34] <Voyage__> > what are sys requirments for ubuntu?
[02:35] <NickPresta> Voyage__, CDs require 700MB media. Desktop install requires at least 256MB of RAM and 3GB of available hard drive space.
[02:37] <Ch1ppy> okay, I actually have all the packages now, am fully up to date, and I still get thrown back to the login screen when trying to start a kde4 session.  Any ideas?
[02:37] <NickPresta> Ch1ppy, have you fixed the "broken" KDE4 problem?
[02:37] <stdin> what version of kdebase-workspace" do you have
[02:37] <Voyage__> NickPresta what processor should i have
[02:38] <Ch1ppy> NickPresta: "broken" KDE4?
[02:38] <Ch1ppy> stdin: 3.97.0
[02:38] <stdin> Ch1ppy: that's not the full version
[02:38] <Ch1ppy> stdin: ^_-
[02:39] <NickPresta> Voyage__, x86 architecture, Pentium, Celeron, Athlon, Sempron, 64bit AMD and Intel and Sun UltraSPARC based
[02:39] <Ch1ppy> stdin: I'm fully upgraded
[02:39] <Ch1ppy> stdin: or did you want the full version name?
[02:40] <stdin> Ch1ppy: the full, whole version-release
[02:40] <Ch1ppy> stdin: Installed: 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2ubuntu1
[02:40] <stdin> Ch1ppy: ok, look in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and post back line 3
[02:41] <Ch1ppy> stdin: export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH
[02:41] <stdin> good, that at least tells me that it's not the "bug" from before
[02:42] <rance> is there a way to "trick" the package database to let you install a non-64bit package on a 64bit box?  Im specifically asking about opera and firefox packages so flash, etc will still work, am I on the wrong track? is there a better package related way do do this?
[02:42] <stdin> Ch1ppy: try starting a kde4 session in xephyr and see if it starts then
[02:42] <Ch1ppy> stdin: sure thing, one sec
[02:42] <stdin> !flash64 | rance, yes this page tells you how
[02:42] <ubotu> rance, yes this page tells you how: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:43] <Ch1ppy> stdin: that works nicely
[02:44] <stdin> Ch1ppy: well it's not the install then, I guess the next step is to try logging into kde4 as a different user and/or looking at /var/log/kdm.log and ~/.xsession-errors
[02:45] <Ch1ppy> stdin: alright, I will mess around a bit and see what I can find.  Thanks for the help :)
[02:45] <stdin> no problem
[02:47] <jeffm__> HI, all.  I have a quock question about the automatic clock synchronization in the Date & Time Control Panel.
[02:47] <dmcglone> go ahead jeffm__
[02:47] <jeffm__> I have an ipcop box on my network and it's set to sync to pool.ntp.org.  I'm trying to be a good citizen and have my other internal linux boxes sync to my ipcop box.  I just can't find the setting to specify the NTP server.
[02:48] <kkerwin> Hi. What is the current solution that enables one to use an ATI card and AIGLX?
[02:48] <jeffm__> The Control Panel in question gives me a droplist, but no space for an arbitrary server.
[02:48] <jeffm__> and grep ntp.org /etc gives me nothing.
[02:48] <dmcglone> thats way over my head.
[02:51] <dmcglone> sorry jeff, I have no experience with syncing time on a network.
[02:52] <jeffm__> dmcglone: no problem.  I'm wondering what that option actually does -- it doesn't seem to have any real effect since I'm not seeing ntpd running.
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> jeff__- I noticed that too. I ended up having to install ntpd myself. Not sure if that's a bug or what
[02:55] <jeffm__> Dragnslcr: so that's the likely solution?  install ntpd and skip the setting in control panel?
[02:55] <jeffm__> Dragnslcr: That's kind of the way I was heading -- I just wanted to see if anyone else had done it any other way.
[02:55] <Dragnslcr> I think so, yeah
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> The package is just called "ntp"
[02:56] <jeffm__> The System Settings screens -- is that KDE or Kubuntu?  Meaning if I looked for KDE Date & Time would the hits apply, or should I be looking for Kubuntu Date & Time?
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> I think KDE
[02:57] <genii> kde
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> It's the same control panel as right-clicking the clock and going to Adjust...
[02:57] <jeffm__> K, thanks.  I'll do some quick research to see if I can figure out where that setting actually gets stored.
[02:58] <jeffm__> Dragnslcr: ah, so it is.
[02:58] <SudoKing> hello, how do I install something with a makefile?
[02:58] <genii> !compile
[02:58] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[03:02] <jeffm__> All, everything I read points to needing NTP (seems obvious).  What isn't obvious is that without NTP running (not enabled by default under Kubuntu), telling KDE to set the date and time automatically doesn't work.
[03:03] <jeffm__> I would assume that once NTP is installed, the KDE Date & Time panel will change the NTP server specified in /etc/ntpd.conf.  About to test in a moment.
[03:03] <osiris> is there a cli command to force a snych with NTP server ?
[03:04] <jeffm__> osiris: not sure.  I'm apt-getting right now
[03:04] <jeffm__> and for some reason, my transfer rate is abysmal.
[03:04] <osiris> i got it at 66k
[03:04] <osiris> but just the client pack, not the server side
[03:05] <jeffm__> Yeah, that's all I'm getting.  but for some reason, it seems to be taking forever.
[03:05] <Ch1ppy> stdin: hey, so I've checked it out, and the only error I found was a missing file (startupconfig) in my kde4 directory.  Logging in as another user worked.  I tried removing my .kde4 directory, but nothing, so I tried copying that file from the working user's .kde4 into the corresponding location on mine, and then kde4 started but wouldn't get past the first little bit, giving me the error "Please contact your administrator".  Any ideas? :S
[03:05] <jeffm__> yeah, 3.7K
[03:07] <genii> osiris: ntpdate <servername>
[03:08] <osiris> wow, that made my screen suspend kick in
[03:08] <osiris> weird.  but it DIO sych my clock
[03:08] <jeffm__> the sync probably made your clock jump to the future by enough for the screen suspend to trigger.  You must have been way behind.
[03:09] <genii> The screen suspend is weird, yes
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> osiris: of course, because it sudely detected that your monitor had not been actuve for an extensive peroid of time :D
[03:09] <genii> nosrednaekim: Ah, nice call
[03:09] <osiris> thats what i figured
[03:09] <osiris> it didnt confuse me, just startled me
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> *suddenly and Active
[03:09] <raptor22x> is there possible to update kde to version 4
[03:10] <jeffm__> osiris: One of those, "Oh, crap, do I have to go buy a new monitor tomorrow?" moments.
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> genii: had me surprised the first time too, thought I had killed the computer or something :p
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[03:10] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[03:10] <osiris> naw.  more like, "did fluxbox just choke for no reason ? do i need to drop to a term and kill X ? "
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> raptor22x: actually, take a look at the channel topic
[03:11] <newuser> hello again... How exactly do I add repositories???   I did it once but don't remember where I found them??  I have a toshiba laptop satalite A205-s4707 is there a specific repository that may be better for me?
[03:11] <osiris> !source-o-matic
[03:11] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> !repositories | newuser
[03:11] <newuser> I know how to add them I dont know where I found them\
[03:11] <ubotu> newuser: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> newuser: ah... what repositories?
[03:12] <osiris> now, when i do ntpdate, does that synch the bios clock too ?
[03:12] <newuser> Please explain,,,  what does the      !repositories mean?
[03:12] <osiris> is there a way to change the HW clock from cli ? i though i remember that from an old linux book years ago
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> newuser: thats for if you don't know how to add repositories.
[03:13] <newuser> i have http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> osiris: "date"?
[03:13] <osiris> asking, or telling ?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> newuser: ok, thats simple to add,
[03:13] <genii> yes, "date"
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> osiris: rhetorical Q.... so both XD
[03:13] <newuser> Yes, and Im sorry but where do I look at   !repositories?  do I search google
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> newuser: Do you know how to add a repository?
[03:14] <genii> newuser: No, open your browser to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:14] <newuser> Y
[03:14] <newuser> where can I find them for 7.10
[03:14] <genii> Clicking on the link given by ubotu sometimes works to make the browser go there
[03:15] <newuser> that site takes me to older versions of ubuntu
[03:15] <newuser> will they still work with newer versions\
[03:16] <genii> newuser: Substitute "gutsy" for whatever they show
[03:16] <jeffm__> All, I have no idea where the KDE Date & Time Control Panel stores its NTP server settings.  I don't think the Time Server-related options I set on that screen have any effect on my machine.
[03:17] <newuser> also on my laptop i have a core due and in systray it is reporting 800mhz each and it should be 2.0????\
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> newuser: frequency scaling... do something to use alot of CPU and that will jump up.
[03:18] <newuser> ok,,,  so its normal?
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> newuser: yeah
[03:19] <newuser> thx
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> newuser: as long as you don't notice any slowness
[03:20] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm trying to get into a kde4 session, but it seems that kde4 doesn't like my user account.  I can login under a different user, and it works fine, but when I try my account kde4 won't start at all.  I've tried removing .kde4 and the same thing occurs, so I have no idea how it could be specific to my account.  Any ideas?
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: sure its using the .kde4 not the .kde3?
[03:21] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: I get an error about a missing file in .kde4, so yes
[03:21] <jembouge> nite evryone
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: which missing file
[03:22] <mediacenter> hello..  im looking for help with mounting a hfs+ mac disk with kde
[03:23] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: "startupconfig".  I tried copying that over to my account, and kde4 would then start to run (slight progress), but would stop just after beginning and hang.
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: try copying your whole .kde4 over...
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> !hfs | mediacenter
[03:24] <ubotu> mediacenter: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[03:24] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: from the other one?  I tried doing that but kept getting a thing about the folder being omitted...
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: hrm.
[03:24] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: my thoughts exactly :)
[03:25] <theverant> has anyone else here had issues with Dolphin tanking their system?
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: did you try #kde4-devel?
[03:25] <theverant> when I try to select multiple files it OFTEN kills KDE completely
[03:25] <theverant> x restarts
[03:25] <mediacenter> thanks for the quick reference
[03:25] <theverant> it's not always, but it's a lot
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> Dolphin is.....not very good, I still use konqueror.
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> or at least, the kde3 dlphin isn't
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> the kde4 dolphin is great
[03:26] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: I could try that, thought I would ask here first though.  Any ideas on how to copy over the folder?  It would probably work if I could do that, but cp just won't do it
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> cp -R
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> for recursive
[03:26] <theverant> I think I got the same behaviour in konq yesterday.  I will use it more consistantly and see if the problem is in both
[03:26] <theverant> I prefer konq for most stuff, but Dolphin does have a nice clean interface which I enjoy
[03:27] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: ah, that works.  Will try it now, thanks
[03:27] <ardchoille> Keep in mind the "dolphin" in gutsy is not dolphin, it's d3lphin.. a fork that is no longer developed.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> except by us <_<
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> or rather...mhb
[03:28] <theverant> well it's kind of annoying that it's default, then
[03:28] <ardchoille> theverant: I couldn't agree more.
[03:28] <theverant> especially given the waton damage it has caused me - including a few hours in Gimp lost
[03:29] <theverant> anyway, I'm not complaining... I was just wondering if this behaviour was normal, or if it was just my system or what
[03:30] <newuser> ok  I only have two repositories listed in my software sources list....   I know how to load them,,, I need to know how to find the repositories... I have updated them in the system but the update manager says they all cannot be updated.. IS this because they aren't in the software list????
[03:30] <newuser> updating 198 upgrades
[03:31] <newuser> or is it installing through package manager even though it isnt in the software list of software repos???
[03:31] <SudoKing> When I've ran the make install and it's complete, how do I run the compiled app?
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> newuser: those 198 updates are updates on programs
[03:31] <newuser> oh... this is a partial upgrade
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: depends on that it is called
[03:32] <newuser> ok... Im tring to get sound and a substitute for flash... Is there a repository that has these files?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: what did you install?
[03:32] <newuser> gnash isnt working
[03:32] <SudoKing> its from a tar.gz file
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> !flash | newuser
[03:33] <ubotu> newuser: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:33] <BonesolTeraDyne> SudoKing: What is the name of the app?
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> newuser: use the official flash
[03:33] <SudoKing> I know what the name of the app, however I do not know what it called it :P
[03:33] <newuser> ok... again   not to be a pain but what does it mean   " !flash
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: well, whats the name?
[03:33] <SudoKing> dancer
[03:34] <newuser> what is the command or funtion I need to do to read on it
[03:34] <SudoKing> newuser: that's how you operate ubotu :P
[03:34] <BonesolTeraDyne> newuser: the "!" activates ubotu's sayings.
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> newuser: !<whatever> is a bot command.... read the thing ubotu said after that.
[03:34] <newuser> hahaha   when you give me    !flash I dont know what to do with it
[03:34] <SudoKing> read what ubotu says :P
[03:34] <jtt> anyone know of any specific problems with plextor dual-layer burners on gutsy platform
[03:35]  * SudoKing thinks that's a rather creative name for an ubuntu bot
[03:35] <newuser> what does the ! mean and where do I put it to read up on flash
[03:35] <ardchoille> newuser: /msg ubotu !flash
[03:35] <newuser> in a term window
[03:35] <jtt> !dual-layer |jtt
[03:35] <newuser> on google search??? where does the ! flash go?
[03:35] <SudoKing> nosrednaekim, so how do I run it? :?
[03:35] <SudoKing> newuser: ignore the !
[03:35] <SudoKing> its just the prefix
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: try "dancer"
[03:35] <SudoKing> ok
[03:36] <SudoKing> "command not found"
[03:36] <SudoKing> hmm
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: lol, it should be in the README in the source DIR
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[03:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:36] <SudoKing> all-knowing, hehe =P
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bye everyone!
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:38] <johnficca1> do they have a gobuntu for kde?
[03:38] <johnficca1> or a free version of kubuntu?
[03:39] <SudoKing> kubuntu is free, anyhow
[03:39] <johnficca1> not the kernel?
[03:39] <SudoKing> the kernel's free
[03:39] <johnficca1> run vrms
[03:39] <SudoKing> open source
[03:39] <SudoKing> nosrednaekim, the README file was empty LOL :?
[03:40] <SudoKing> oh their not here :(
[03:40] <BonesolTeraDyne> SudoKing: he means that it isn't completely "Free Software".
[03:40] <newuser> is there a list of repositories?
[03:41] <BonesolTeraDyne> johnficca1: You could always try installing Gobuntu and then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:41] <newuser> I think Im getting the hang of it..Did some reading
[03:41] <johnficca1> yeah thats a good idea
[03:41] <nonewmsgs> how can i disable focus follows cursor
[03:41] <SudoKing> how do i run the .sh file, then?
[03:41] <nonewmsgs> bash xxxx.sh
[03:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> SudoKing: "sh <name of file>"
[03:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> SudoKing: "sh <name of file>"
[03:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> gah, I hit the up key
[03:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> I ment to say that you could also use "./<name of file>"
[03:43] <SudoKing> Um, it looks like its giving a wrong directory, what file do I need to edit?
[03:43] <nonewmsgs> nm i found it under window behavior
[03:53] <SudoKing> I'm in as root, why does it say Permission denied when I run ./launch.sh ?
[03:56] <lnxkde> SudoKing: just do this
[03:56] <SudoKing> =?
[03:56] <lnxkde> sudo chmod u+x yourfile.sh
[03:56] <lnxkde> then u can run it
[03:56] <lnxkde> ;)
[03:56] <SudoKing> ok :)
[03:57] <SudoKing> :D done, I just need a way to edit the file
[03:57] <SudoKing> it appears blank in Kwrite
[03:57] <neville__> nano?
[03:58] <SudoKing> eh, I'm not very good at working with cmd-line based text editors
[03:58] <SudoKing> =(
[03:58] <lnxkde> SudoKing:   sudo nano -w yourfiile
[04:00] <SudoKing> Inxkde: how do you save the file when you're done? =)
[04:01] <ciasa> has anyone here used the kde 4 RC 2 packages provided by kubuntu?  I'm having trouble installing them.
[04:01] <ciasa> the provided packages are trying to overrite file from the kde3 packages
[04:01] <hydrogen> !brokenkde4 | ciasa
[04:01] <ubotu> ciasa: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[04:05] <hellonull> how do i turn desktop effects off via konsole?
[04:06] <ciasa> is it really necessary to use the kde3 packages from the ppa?  I'd like to test the kde4 packages, but then remove the ppa source and go back to just the kubuntu sources later
[04:06] <Dragnslcr> You mean Compiz?
[04:06] <SudoKing> Um, it keeps saying permission denied to the folder I have the .sh file in even though I'm root + I set the chmod permissions?
[04:07] <hellonull> dragnslcr: no, kwin in 7.10 w/ kde4 rc2
[04:07] <raptor22x> exit
[04:07] <Dragnslcr> I have no idea then
[04:07] <raptor22x> ooops wrong place
[04:11] <newuser> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a'  to correct the problem... I Did but it didn't change anything..??
[04:13] <newuser> I cant get into adept without a system crash every attempt
[04:13] <level1> why is ~/.xsession-errors given the magical ability to be deleted without freeing any space?  It was listed as taking up 3.2GB (all of my availible space on the drive) so I deleted it, but my drive is still full.  Where did my space go?!?
[04:15] <hydrogen> if something still has that file open its not yet deleted
[04:16] <hydrogen> so thats probably what your seeing
[04:16] <level1> where did my space go? I really want it back... why do I have to keep deleting my own files because X is taking all my space and not giving back...
[04:16] <hydrogen> restarting is probably the easiest way
[04:16] <hydrogen> then symlink .xsession-errors to /dev/null
[04:16] <level1> I'll be very happy to do that
[04:17] <newuser> is there no help for new user
[04:17] <wilson> newuser: is there any error message ?
[04:17] <newuser> look up[ i typed it already thx
[04:18] <wilson> what happened when you did 'dpkg --configure -a'
[04:18] <wilson> did it ask you to run anything else
[04:18] <wilson> maybe try it again and look carefully
[04:20] <newuser> wilson are ya with me??  Do you understand what is going on here?
[04:21] <wilson> yep you cant get into adept
[04:21] <newuser> above that
[04:21] <newuser> is the error mess
[04:21] <wilson> yes
[04:22] <wilson> but dpkg might have another error
[04:22] <newuser> do you know how to help me...
[04:22] <wilson> i guess not ?
[04:22] <newuser> ok
[04:24] <marcelo> olas
[04:26] <newuser> i have a software index that was broker     but I cant get into synaptic to fix broken link]
[04:26] <newuser> broken
[04:27] <wilson> need to see what dpkg says
[04:28] <newuser> no way to tell..    No matter what I try i still get      dpkg was interrupted, you  must manually run  dpkg --configure -a  to correct the problem
[04:28] <newuser> I do but there is not change\
[04:30] <newuser> I cant believe I'll have to reinstall the operating system again
[04:30] <newuser> ??
[04:32] <genii> !aptfix
[04:32] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:32] <genii> hmm
[04:32] <genii> sudo ?
[04:32] <SudoKing> yes?
[04:32] <newuser> command not found
[04:32] <genii> SudoKing: Heh :)
[04:33] <SudoKing> oh you beeped me I thought you were asking something
[04:33] <genii> newuser: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:33] <SudoKing> pft
[04:33]  * genii hands SudoKing a consolation coffee
[04:33]  * SudoKing gets beeped when someone says "sudo" :P so I kind of have to hold my ears in here while I wait for support, but oh well =D
[04:34] <newuser> working it  THX
[04:34] <newuser> processing triggers
[04:36] <newuser> O M G UBOTU!!!!!   you saved me so much time and effort.. I was going to reinstall the os to fix the problem ...  What a GODSEND  Thank You
[04:37] <SudoKing> heh
[04:37] <SudoKing> hmmm
[04:37] <SudoKing> !welcome
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about welcome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <SudoKing> lol
[04:37] <SudoKing> =(
[04:37] <genii> newuser: sudo is often important to put before certain commands to make them run with proper permissions
[04:38] <SudoKing> usually root :P
[04:38] <genii> newuser: Glad you don't need to reinstall now anyhow :)
[04:38] <ardchoille> !sudo
[04:38] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:38] <genii> ardchoille: I'm avoiding offtopic btw ;)
[04:38]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee for all
[04:39] <newuser> ok guys Im almost there.. I have 1 broken package and I cant find it... I tried the broken filter but nothing seems to be there    how do I find the broken Pkg?
[04:39]  * neville__ steals the pot of coffee intended for all
[04:39] <deuryte> xcell
[04:40] <deuryte> its decaf.......
[04:40] <XceII> deu..wait 120 secs before pass word...shit down pidgin and do again
[04:40] <neville__> Lol!
[04:40] <XceII> shut
[04:40] <XceII> sry
[04:40] <neville__> Hahaha
[04:40] <XceII> lol
[04:41] <deuryte> I already did
[04:41] <Voyage__> iam using virtual box to run winxp .  how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .
[04:41] <XceII> damn
[04:41] <newuser> looks like I figured this one out..... Thanks for the help people..
[04:42] <deuryte> oyur welcome......... olduser
[04:42] <XceII> deu...shut down pidgin...start back up...)wait 120 secs to give pass...(wait). do mit bye
[04:42] <deuryte> 4
[04:46] <mm_202> Hey guys.  Anyone know why 4GB of RAM only shows up as 3.21GB? Kubuntu 7.10 linux 2.6.22-14-generic
[04:47] <genii> shared memory?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> That is an interesting topic mm_202  :)
[04:47] <hellonull> is there a kde equivalent of gnome's metacity?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> yea. for a start. Your video card isent taking part of ot is it?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> hellonull,  kde uses 'kwin' as its window manager. gnome uses metacity
[04:48] <hellonull> dr_willis: would i use kwin --replace to turn off desktop effects, then?
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> mm_202: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> 32 bit or 64 bit
[04:48] <deuryte> xcell, too tired will do it tomorrow
[04:48] <mm_202> Dr_willis: no, I have a nice nVidia card, so I highly doubt it.  At POST it shows up as 4092MB (4MB short of 4GB), but not ~700MB short.
[04:49] <mm_202> 32bit
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> then that's why
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> the OS can't use the whole 4gb
[04:49] <mm_202> And I do have a AMD 2X  64bit...  but that shouldnt have anything to do with the 4GB limit
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> the OS can't even see the whole 4gb
[04:49] <mm_202> Daisuke_Ido: wtf not?
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> because it's a 32-bit OS.
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> if you want it all, go 64 bit
[04:50]  * mm_202 doesnt think that sounds like a simple upgrade
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> download 64 bit iso, burn 64 bit iso, install 64 bit version of kubuntu
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> !amd64
[04:51] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[04:51] <jalbert> !wifi
[04:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:51]  * genii ponders altering apt.conf to read x86_64
[04:52] <mm_202> Daisuke_Ido: besides the extra ~750MB of RAM, does a 64bit Ubuntu have anything else to offer for the trouble?
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> uses the extended registers available to the 64 bit architecture, so you'll see a bit of a performance increase
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> but it's not without drawbacks
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> The drawbacks are that Ubuntu, with APT (the package manager for Ubuntu), currently does not support BiArch, which means you likely won't be able to install and run 32bit packages on your AMD64 install. This is a problem for users who wish to use Flash, w32 codecs, and WINE (for example), as they are only available for 32-bit. There are possible methods of getting it running, but they involve creating a chroot (see
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> DebootstrapChroot), for example.
[04:53] <jalbert> hey all
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> that's slightly outdated, as i think flash works alright now, though i won't swear to it
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> your best bet is stick with 32 for right now, until 64's better supported
[04:53] <jalbert> I'm having a problem with accessing USB external NTFS hard drives
[04:54] <supert0nes> sorry to annoy, but could someone throw out the broken package command to the bot
[04:54] <mm_202> Daisuke_Ido: thanks, sounds good.
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix > supert0nes
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> check your private messages
[04:56] <supert0nes> oh oops i meant for the kde4 rc2
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> !kde4rc2
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde4rc2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <mm_202> Daisuke_Ido: hmm, it seems that 32bit archs can see and use the entire 4GB, but PAE must be enabled.  Anyone have any luck/experience with that?
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, this is news to me, i have no idea about that
[04:57] <mm_202> k
[04:57]  * mm_202 will figure it out and report back
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !brokenkde4 | supert0nes
[04:57] <ubotu> supert0nes: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> mm_202: good luck
[04:58] <genii> 32bit server kernel is pae enabled
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> server kernel
[04:59] <jalbert> is there some kind of driver needed for USB hard drives?
[04:59] <newuser> wow,,,  I really did a lot of updating and stuff but I still cant listen to Yahoo music...  The screen doesn't load up and there isn't sound on my sys... Can some one help me get it
[04:59] <supert0nes> thanks
[05:00] <Daisuke_Ido> newuser: to my knowledge, yahoo music doesn't work
[05:00] <Daisuke_Ido> yahoo videos do though
[05:01] <Daisuke_Ido> this is what i heard several months ago though, it may well have changed
[05:01] <genii> usb-storage
[05:01] <newuser> so I cant watch discovery video's or listen to  music with ubuntu?
[05:02] <Daisuke_Ido> you are aware that there are many many more ways to listen to music than through yahoo
[05:02] <Daisuke_Ido> right?
[05:02] <genii> jalbert: see if command:lsmod|grep usb_storage        produces a result
[05:03] <newuser> hahahaa   No... Im not... Im an ol fart that never had time to explore other music venues... how can I??
[05:03] <jalbert> "lsmod|grep usb_storage"?
[05:03] <genii> jalbert: Yes
[05:04] <jalbert> OK I got:
[05:04] <jalbert> usb_storage            72256  0
[05:04] <jalbert> libusual               17936  1 usb_storage
[05:04] <jalbert> scsi_mod              142348  6 sbp2,usb_storage,sg,sd_mod,sr_mod,libata
[05:04] <jalbert> usbcore               134280  7 ndiswrapper,usbhid,usb_storage,libusual,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[05:04] <newuser> as far as yahoo music... When I sign in it always works with windozzz
[05:05] <jalbert> was that too many lines to paste?
[05:05] <genii> jalbert: Then usb_storage is already loaded
[05:05] <Daisuke_Ido> newuser: open amarok, go to the playlists tab on the left, and check out radio streams
[05:05] <genii> jalbert: Normally 3 or more lines is much but it's comparatively slow today ;)
[05:05] <newuser> cool  I will thx
[05:05] <Daisuke_Ido> should be pre-loaded with cool-streams and shoutcast streams (i believe)
[05:05] <jalbert> ok then why can't it see the NTFS drive in there?
[05:06] <genii> !paste
[05:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:06] <genii> jalbert: ue abovementioned pastebin to post the results of the command:  sudo fdisk -l
[05:06] <jalbert> ok
[05:06] <jalbert> fdisk?
[05:06] <genii> yes
[05:06] <genii> sudo fdisk -l
[05:09] <jahttp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47915/
[05:09] <genii> ok reading
[05:10] <jalbert> it's seeing it, but it won't mounbt :(
[05:10] <genii> is it in /etc/fstab ?
[05:11] <genii> eg:   grep -e sdb -f /etc/fstab
[05:11] <genii> should show a rssult if it is
[05:11] <jalbert> nope
[05:11] <genii> *result
[05:12] <jalbert> no /dev/sdb1
[05:12] <genii> jalbert: Need to make an entry then
[05:12] <jalbert> oh wait
[05:12] <jake_> I'm getting an error while trying to install the KDE4 packages for Gusty
[05:12] <jake_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:12] <jake_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb
[05:12] <jake_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:12] <jalbert> when I ran the command
[05:13] <jake_> apt-get -f install isn't working
[05:13] <jalbert> nothing at all came up
[05:13] <genii> jalbert: That means it wasn't found.
[05:13] <jalbert> ok
[05:13] <jalbert> so I need to add it then
[05:13] <genii> jalbert: Kmenu..System Settings..Advanced tab..Disks and Filesystems
[05:14] <genii> jalbert: Does it show there? sdb2
[05:14] <genii> sdb1 rather
[05:14] <newuser> to install realplayer 10 for linux is there a specific destination folder to put it in to enable it to work with firefox or opera?
[05:15] <jake_> ideas? current kde4 apps in the kmenu aren't working as I expected
[05:16] <Daisuke_Ido> !brokenkde4 | jake_
[05:16] <ubotu> jake_: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[05:16] <jake_> thanks!
[05:17] <jalbert> genii: yes it does
[05:19] <genii> jalbert: Then you should be able from there in Administrator Mode to allow regular users to mount it, etc
[05:19] <genii> jalbert: Since is removable normally would have automount not on
[05:19] <jalbert> ok
[05:20] <jalbert> for some reason, the login dialog isn't coming up
[05:21] <jalbert> one sec
[05:21] <genii> jalbert: Since we used sudo recently it should remember you are doing admin things recently and not bug all the time
[05:21] <SudoKing> you used me? when?
[05:21] <SudoKing> oh
[05:22] <genii> SudoKing: I think you need to switch your beep flagging to sudok from sudo ;)
[05:22]  * genii slides SudoKing a consolation beer
[05:24] <jalbert> I know, but the window border is red...
[05:24] <jalbert> one sec
[05:25] <Daisuke_Ido> newuser: i've gotta ask, and i know i'm going to regret it, but...  why realplayer?
[05:25] <jalbert> I'm going to reboot
[05:25] <genii> red border = good
[05:25] <jalbert> Daisuke_Ido, maybe he has some old porn from like 1998
[05:26] <jalbert> one sec, rebooting
[05:27]  * genii wonders of this "rebooting" thing
[05:27] <deuryte> xcell
[05:27] <uberbob> anyone have any problems with blender starting up? I'm getting segmentation faults
[05:28] <newuser> well, like I said, Im an ol fart and never really looked into anything else.. It was what worked at the time and still Doesnt work with my system.. I think I need drivers for my sound and video still because i get a distored video page with no movement
[05:29] <newuser> also it works seamlessly with any browser on Windozzzz   so i thought it would work well on linux also as long as they have linux installations for it... \
[05:32] <Dr_willis> I thought realplayer had some linux  type licensed player. i forget the name
[05:32] <Dr_willis> Realplayer has really fallen from where it used to be. :)
[05:33] <newuser> so far I've been and continue to be discouraged with the laptop... NO sound or Video capabilities for web so far...   I think i need drivers?? any ideas??  Toshiba satallite A205-s4707   not sure what is in it... Got it at walmart supersale black friday $768.  reg price  $398. for me... Got 2
[05:34] <Dr_willis> with some of the new laptops and their chipsets you might need the latest versions of alsa I think.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> as for 'video for web'  a lot depends on the site/kind of video.
[05:35] <newuser> Dr_willis realplayer 10 gold  I just installed it but I still cant see video online.. I miss MY DISCOVERY.COM !!!!
[05:36] <newuser> where can I find the alsa
[05:36] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[05:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:36] <newuser> this is a new laptop    shouldn't it have the latest already?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> the chipset is so NEW that alsa might not have support for it yet.
[05:37] <newuser> i see
[05:37] <Dr_willis> or its some variant/bugged/changed version of an older version thats causing issues.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Gotta love the ever changing standards/chipsets :)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Of coruse with the next release of ubuntu, the laptops may work. BUt then there may be new laptops that then have new chipsets that may not work.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> My laptop dident do linux too well when i first got it. Its now a year old. and works Great with ubuntu.
[05:39] <newuser> ubotu   hello again,,,  Yes it is x'ed
[05:39] <Dr_willis> !bot
[05:39] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:39] <Dr_willis> ubotu is a bot. :) that spits out factoids on demand.
[05:39] <jalbert> genii: I'm getting this error: Unable to enter file:///home/jalbert/<mount point>. You do not have access rights to this location.
[05:40] <newuser> thx
[05:40] <jalbert> how can that be? I'm logged in as myself!
[05:40] <ardchoille> jalbert: Look into the permisions/ownership of the mountpoint
[05:41] <jalbert> It says the owner is root
[05:41] <ardchoille> aha :)
[05:41] <jalbert> :/
[05:41] <genii> sudo chown -R jalbert:jalbert /home/jalbert/<mountpoint>
[05:41] <ardchoille> genii got it :)
[05:41] <newuser> hahahaha   Boy I guess I got a lot to learn and am having fun doing it to thanks to all of you for your help tonight,,, I gotta shut down    son has  an early practice tomm... Later
[05:41] <genii> substitute mountpoint accordingly
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I dident think one normally chmoded mountpoints that way.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> is this a windows/ntfs or other filesystem?
[05:42] <genii> Dr_willis: Definitely not good practise, I agree
[05:42] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Well, I didn't think one normally made mountpoints in $HOME
[05:43] <jalbert> genii: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[05:43] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  i normally put links in Home pointing to the right /media/whever :)
[05:43] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Links I can see, but not mountpoints
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Of course with the various FUSE things.. i do have mountpoints in there. :)
[05:44]  * genii ponders `newline'
[05:44] <Dr_willis> may be a typo in the bash script, or an extra cr/lf issue.. or a dash/bash issue
[05:44] <Evil_> I didn't think Kubuntu installed a firewall by default, but frostwire says a firewall is blocking it
[05:44] <Dr_willis> !firewall
[05:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:45] <picharritas> hola, alguien habla español?
[05:45] <genii> Dr_willis: I just re examined what I put, looks right
[05:45] <Dr_willis> It has a firewall with no rules by default.
[05:45] <ardchoille> !es | picharritas
[05:45] <ubotu> picharritas: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:45] <hydrogen> the default policy is ACCEPT though
[05:45] <Dr_willis> jalbert,  what text editor did you use?
[05:45] <hydrogen> so you shouldn't have anything blocked
[05:45] <jake_> ok, thanks. KDE4 is working great.
[05:45] <jalbert> I'm using Konsole
[05:45] <genii> jalbert: Should't matter
[05:46] <jalbert> it's a bash shell
[05:46] <ardchoille> jalbert: konsole, yes, but which editor in konsole?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Ive seen 'issues' befor where people use windoes notepad.exe - THAT can cause issues..
[05:46] <deuryte> hey!!  dr phil ? !11  er I mean dr willis?
[05:46] <jalbert> I just typed it at the command line in Konsole
[05:46] <kaankee> i installed java5 using spt-get install command but when i type java -version command i am getting the following error
[05:46] <kaankee> The program 'java' can be found in the following packages:
[05:46] <Dr_willis> "Please state the nature of the Linux emergancy" :)
[05:46] <genii> jalbert: You got the newline error after the chown command or when you tried to mount the drive?
[05:47] <kaankee>  * cacao
[05:47] <kaankee>  * j2re1.4
[05:47] <kaankee>  * kaffe
[05:47] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:47] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:47] <kaankee>  * jamvm
[05:47] <kaankee>  * java-gcj-compat
[05:47] <jalbert> when I typed that line into the console, I got that error
[05:47] <kaankee>  * gij-4.1
[05:47] <kaankee>  * gij-4.2
[05:47] <kaankee>  * sablevm
[05:47] <kaankee> Try: apt-get install <selected package>
[05:47] <kaankee> -bash: java: command not found
[05:47] <kaankee> plz help me...
[05:47] <Lynoure> !pastebin
[05:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:47] <genii> jalbert: OK cut and paste it from here to konsole then
[05:47] <Daisuke_Ido> WHOA there, getting a little superexcited with the pasting
[05:47] <genii> sudo chown -R jalbert:jalbert /home/jalbert/
[05:48] <genii> then put the name of the dir you have there as mountpoint
[05:48] <jalbert> appears to be changing permissions to every subdirectory on that HDD
[05:48] <jalbert> thanks
[05:48] <Dr_willis> kaankee,  if using Gutsy/7.10 - i belive the 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras' will install java and other web/media bits
[05:49] <kaankee> i am using kubuntu 7.10
[05:49] <genii> then it must have been mounted
[05:49] <jalbert> yay
[05:49] <jalbert> :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> kaankee,  install that package then :) its a must get on any of my new installs
[05:50] <Dr_willis> !find restricted-extras
[05:50] <ubotu> Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras, ubuntu-restricted-extras, xubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:50] <Dr_willis> Just to make sure i spelt it right. :) its   kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:50] <kaankee> k.. thanks... i am installing now..
[05:50] <hellonull> do restricted extras include nvidia restricted drivers?
[05:50] <genii> I'm not sure how chown on an ntfs filesystem might affect how it runs if you have xp/2k/vista etc running off it normally
[05:50] <hydrogen> it wouldn't matter
[05:50] <jalbert> well it's an old drive I pulled out of a laptop
[05:51] <hydrogen> ntfs doesn't respect ownership
[05:51] <jalbert> it has an XP installation on it
[05:51] <kaankee> where can i find multiverse repository in kubuntu
[05:51] <Dr_willis> genii,  with vfat/ntfs - Im pretty sure you Must mount them with the proper umask, or other options.
[05:51] <ardchoille> kaankee: If you're running Gutsy, it should already be enabled
[05:51] <Dr_willis> or use the ntfs-3g stuff.. Not sure how it handles the  permissions.. need to read those docs some day
[05:51] <genii> Dr_willis: He had an automatic entry already in fstab
[05:52] <jalbert> um...
[05:52] <jalbert> it's still giving me the same error when I click the icon
[05:52] <kaankee> i am new to kubuntu.. i dont know anything about gutsy.. i am using kubuntu 7.10
[05:52] <Dr_willis>  Hmm - My ntfs-3g fstab entry -->  /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[05:52] <genii> Dr_willis: I'm just vaguely worried if chowning to some linux username of it might affect booting/running Windows from it
[05:52] <Dr_willis> kaankee,  GUtsy IS 7.10
[05:53] <tahsin> can anyone give me the link to the ubuntu channel?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> genii,  i have never seen that happen. I would guess it would give an error about how it cant chown/chmod the stuff.
[05:53] <jake_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:53] <Dr_willis> genii,  in fact i seem to recall that exact issue befor  when copying stuff to a ntfs drive.
[05:53] <genii> jalbert: OK. In konsole: sudo nano /etc/fstab           then go to the end of the very last word of the very last line. Hit enter a few times then save it
[05:54] <genii> jalbert: Do that by ctrl-x then choose Y or yes to save, enter key for default name
[05:54] <Dr_willis> the 'fte' editor can show newlines and carrage returns both.. But im not sure how they would of gotten in there.
[05:54] <jalbert> what's nano?
[05:54] <genii> I suspect the fstab needs a newline
[05:55] <genii> jalbert: a text editor for consoles
[05:55] <hydrogen> echo ' ' >> /etc/fstab
[05:55] <hydrogen> tadaa
[05:55] <genii> hydrogen: nope, needs admin priv
[05:55] <Dr_willis> hydrogen,  just be sure to use >> and not > :)
[05:55] <genii> and sudo echo >>somefile doesn't work, try it
[05:55] <hydrogen> echo '' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[05:55] <hydrogen> tadaaer
[05:56] <hydrogen> or you could open a root console..
[05:56] <genii> hydrogen: Better :)
[05:56] <hydrogen> its not that complicated
[05:56] <jalbert> ok should I post the results?
[05:56] <genii> jalbert: If less than 3 lines or so sure
[05:57] <genii> otherwise pastebin
[05:57] <jalbert> hold on
[05:57] <hydrogen> there shouldn't be results..
[05:57] <jalbert> !pastebin
[05:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:57] <genii> hydrogen: Thats my thought too
[05:58] <jalbert> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47925/
[05:58] <hydrogen> ohh
[05:58] <hydrogen> heh
[05:58] <jalbert> ok now what am I supposed to do?
[05:58]  * hydrogen lets genii continue with this one
[05:58] <genii> I see the issue
[05:58] <XceII> Dr_willis: Help...bill gates has fallen and cant get up....j/k.
[05:58] <hydrogen> jalbert: unix files expect a blank line at the end of them
[05:58] <hydrogen> for the most part
[05:58] <hydrogen> so go to the last line
[05:58] <Dr_willis> XceII,  quick get the lawnmower!
[05:58] <hydrogen> and hit enter
[05:58] <jalbert> yeah
[05:59] <XceII> lol
[05:59] <hydrogen> then Ctrl-x, y, enter
[05:59] <hydrogen> to save it
[05:59] <jalbert> so go to: /dev/sdb1 <mount\040point> auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0
[05:59] <genii> jalbert:  the convention of using <something> in instructions means to replace <something> with the real thing thats relevent to your setup
[05:59] <jalbert> and hit enter?
[05:59] <XceII> genni: u my buddy.
[06:00] <hydrogen> ahaha
[06:00]  * hydrogen didn't see that part
[06:00]  * Dr_willis think there was some oddities in that line..
[06:00]  * Dr_willis is vastly confused now..
[06:00] <XceII> lol
[06:00] <XceII> bill on the mind
[06:00] <Dr_willis> \040point   ? where did \040 come from?
[06:00] <jalbert> so I have to edit the path of the mount point?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> The path to the mountpoint must be correct and the directory for the mount point MUST exist befor somthing is mounted to it.
[06:01]  * hydrogen thinks its far past time for a gui fstab editor
      is no good
[06:01] <genii> as a mountpoint
[06:01] <genii> replace it with something like  /home/jalbert/sdb1
[06:01] <jalbert> I can see that
[06:01] <XceII> duh
[06:01] <genii> then save that file, do in konsole: mkdir ~/sdb1
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I perfer /media/Porn :)
[06:02] <XceII> oi
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> hydrogen: this IS the problem with a gui fstab editor (kde's disks and filesystems applet)
[06:02] <genii> jalbert: Yes you need to make some mountpoint that is valid
[06:02] <XceII> another perv
[06:02] <Dr_willis> Its for resarch..I am a Doctor. :)
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> you can't have /media/Porn/
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> it has to be broken down and categorized further.
[06:02] <genii> Actually /media/sdb1   is the best mount to put there for conventional sanity
[06:03] <genii> instead of anything in ~
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  well I have seperate hard drives for the different catagories. :)
[06:03]  * genii sends hydrogen vifstab
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> now THAT gets creepy
[06:03] <Dr_willis> !info vimtutor
[06:03] <ubotu> Package vimtutor does not exist in gutsy
[06:03]  * hydrogen sends genii vipw
[06:04] <genii> jalbert: Still here? ;)
[06:04] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: iirc, vimtutor is in the vim-full package
[06:05] <jalbert> yeah
[06:05] <jalbert> how do I save this file?
[06:05] <XceII> deuryte....wake up.
[06:05] <genii> jalbert: If so please tell what you put for what was <whatever\040> or such
[06:05]  * hydrogen doesn't even want to think about what would be in an emacs-full package
[06:05] <jalbert> heheh
[06:05] <jalbert> okay
[06:06] <jalbert> I put /media/sdb1
[06:06] <genii> jalbert: to save, hit ctrl and x key together.Then choose y to save.Enter key to confirm name
[06:06] <genii> jalbert: Good :)
[06:06] <genii> at least /media/sdb1 is sane convention
[06:07] <Voyage__> iam using virtual box to run winxp .  how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .
[06:07] <genii> jalbert: After saving, do:     sudo mkdir /media/sdb1
[06:07] <jalbert> I don't know how I managed to get the mount point named like that
[06:07] <genii> jalbert: Yes, that was very odd name etc
[06:08] <jalbert> it was generated by the System Settings program
[06:08]  * hydrogen wonders what that character is
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> hydrogen: i remember when i was 13-14 or so, i frequented the local BBSes, and one of them had a file section devoted to emacs.  tons upon tons of files, and i never downloaded them (i had neither the time nor the credits to, for one)...  i wonder...  if i had downloaded emacs back then, would i hate it so much now?
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> probably.
[06:08] <XceII> Linux is logical...windoze is logistical...linux=7.10   windows=666.
[06:08] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I did d/l it and still detest the thing
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> jalbert: kde's disks & filesystems applet stinks
[06:09] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: that's why i said probably :D
[06:09] <jalbert> ok
[06:09] <jalbert> now it's saying there are no files or folders there
[06:09] <Daisuke_Ido> it isn't mounted yet
[06:09] <hydrogen> mount /media/sdb1
[06:09] <Daisuke_Ido> D&F applet tried to give my swap partition a mount point :\
[06:09] <genii> what hydrogen said :)
[06:10] <hydrogen> heh
[06:10] <Voyage__> any one?
[06:10] <hydrogen> thats what hydrogen said!
[06:10] <hydrogen> ooooh, burn!
[06:10] <deuryt1> xcell
[06:10] <jalbert> mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/sdb1 busy
[06:10] <jalbert> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is mounted on /home/jalbert/<mount point>
[06:10] <XceII> ya
[06:10] <jalbert> wtf?!?
[06:10] <genii> LOL
[06:10] <XceII> gnite bro
[06:10] <Daisuke_Ido> jalbert: umount /dev/sdb1
[06:11] <jalbert> heheh okay
[06:11] <hydrogen> oh my
[06:11] <genii> you used <mountpoint> literally from the instructions earlier
[06:11] <hydrogen> yay for kde
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: i still say it's the D&F applet :\
[06:11] <jalbert> hmmm.... umount: /dev/sdb1 mount disagrees with the fstab
[06:11] <genii> jalbert: umount /home/jalbert/<mountpoint>                      exactly
[06:11] <deuryt1> 2 things.........  1]  after closing chat it wouldn't start back up, so I logged out and logged in and it took, #2  the cd's you just burned for me?, they work in my dvd...
[06:11] <genii> with the <mountpoint>
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ah yeah, you'd have to do that
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> not <mountpoint>, <mount point>
[06:12] <Voyage__> iam using virtual box to run winxp .  how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .
[06:12] <hydrogen> or umount -f /dev/sdb1
[06:12] <hydrogen> as root
[06:12] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I do now think it's what put that weird string for mount
[06:12] <hydrogen> might be easier than trying to get the escaping right (even with tab completion)
[06:12] <XceII> deu  off topic room
[06:12] <hydrogen> sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[06:12] <jalbert> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[06:13] <jalbert> hydrogen: ok done
[06:13] <genii> does:mount|grep sdb1       produce a result now or just command prompt again
[06:13] <jalbert> now can I go ahead and mount the damn drive?
[06:14] <genii> See above instruction first
[06:14] <genii> If it still shows on <mountpoint> need force
[06:14] <jalbert> ok
[06:15] <jalbert> now try mounting it?
[06:15] <hydrogen> yes
[06:15]  * genii sips a coffee
[06:15] <jalbert> ok...
[06:15] <genii> I need to go, 1:15am here
[06:16] <genii> jalbert: Success/failure?
[06:16] <genii> other?
[06:16] <jalbert> ok it said: You do not have enough permissions to read file:///media/sdb1
[06:17] <genii> sudo chown :plugdev /media/sdb1
[06:17] <genii> then try again
[06:18] <jalbert> chown: changing group of `/media/sdb1': Read-only file system
[06:18] <genii> wtf?
[06:18] <hydrogen> you need to unmount it first
[06:18] <jalbert> ok...
[06:18] <jalbert> umount it, then chown it?
[06:19] <hydrogen> yes
[06:19] <jalbert> ok...
[06:19] <genii> hydrogen: Can you continue? He needs likely user/users or so in fstab or ownership of the mount obviously. I need sleep
[06:19] <hydrogen> i need sleep as well :/
[06:19] <jalbert> ok!
[06:19] <hydrogen> this should fix it though
[06:19] <hydrogen> did it?
[06:19] <genii> I hope so
[06:19] <jalbert> now it opens, but the files are not visible
[06:19] <hydrogen> me too
[06:20] <hydrogen> did you remount it after chowning?
[06:20] <jalbert> ok when I mount it, then try to open it it tells me I don't have ebnough rights
[06:20] <jalbert> it still says it's owned by root
[06:20]  * genii hangs on a while longer
[06:21] <hydrogen> needs some umask stuff probably
[06:21] <jalbert> wait... no it doesn't
[06:21] <jalbert> one sec
[06:21]  * genii sips his coffee
[06:21] <jalbert> I'm going to post a screenshot
[06:21]  * genii refills the mug
[06:22] <genii> I suspect user/users or some uid crap needed
[06:23] <genii> I really hate ntfs
[06:23] <hydrogen> wouldn't be users
[06:23] <hydrogen> as he could mount it
[06:23] <genii> Weird, his fstab paste shows users there
[06:23] <genii> hydrogen: Yeah
[06:24] <jalbert> http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7789/sdb1propertiesfu8.png
[06:25] <hydrogen> kde still looks confused
[06:25] <jalbert> see where it says: /home/jalbert/<mount point>
[06:25] <jalbert> ?
[06:25] <genii> Yes it thinks still on <mountpoint>
[06:25] <jalbert> why oh why?
[06:26]  * hydrogen suggests a windowsesque-copout
[06:26] <hydrogen> reboot!
[06:26] <jalbert> hehehe
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: look closer again, not <mountpoint>
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> <mount point>
[06:26] <jalbert> I really don't think a rebot is going to do anything
[06:26] <jalbert> *reboot*
[06:26] <hydrogen> well
[06:26] <genii> jalbert: When you did: mount|grep sdb1       command earlier it just came back to a command prompt, yes?
[06:27] <hydrogen> if its mounted somewhere
[06:27] <jalbert> lemme check...
[06:27] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: Ah, interesting
[06:27] <jalbert> yeah it did
[06:27]  * genii ponders mtab
[06:27] <XceII> I'm here to rock...help me out.
[06:27] <hydrogen> what happens if you run `ls /media/sdb1`
[06:27] <hydrogen> in konsole
[06:28] <jalbert> hehehe
[06:28] <jalbert> permission denied
[06:28] <XceII> oi
[06:28] <jalbert> sudo ls /media/sdb1
[06:28] <XceII> su -i  rock
[06:28] <jalbert> well there it is
[06:29] <hydrogen> hmm
[06:29] <hydrogen> what does the `groups` command output?
[06:29] <genii> jalbert? : sudo gave a list
[06:29] <jalbert> yes
[06:29] <genii> bah
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> what's the best desktop environment?
[06:29] <hydrogen> also-- the output of ls -ld /media/sdb1
[06:29] <hydrogen> windows 3.1
[06:29] <XceII> jay..the one you pick
[06:30] <jalbert> it's an XP installation on there
[06:30] <jalbert> along with a bunch of other stuff
[06:30] <hydrogen> jalbert: paste the output of those two commands please
[06:30] <hydrogen> `groups` and `ls -ld /media/sdb1`
[06:30] <jalbert> ok
[06:31] <jalbert> jalbert adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin
[06:31] <hydrogen> okay
[06:31] <hydrogen> so thats fine
[06:31] <genii> hmm. His other ntfs drive has mount options: ntfs defaults,uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,nouser       the sdb1 has: auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid
[06:31] <jalbert> dr-x------ 1 root root 24576 2007-11-14 23:37 /media/sdb1
[06:31] <hydrogen> theres the problem.
[06:31] <jalbert> root
[06:31] <XceII> genii: Rocks.
[06:31] <hydrogen> what does it show if you unmount it?
[06:32] <hydrogen> umount /dev/sdb1 && ls -ld /media/sdb1
[06:32] <genii> the chown :plugdev    apparently did not take
[06:32] <jalbert> jalbert@c-24-13-105-49sys:~$ umount /media/sdb1
[06:32] <jalbert> jalbert@c-24-13-105-49sys:~$ ls -ld /media/sdb1
[06:32] <jalbert> drwxr-xr-x 2 root plugdev 4096 2007-12-12 00:07 /media/sdb1
[06:33] <hydrogen> okay
[06:33] <genii> Good
[06:33] <hydrogen> so
[06:33] <hydrogen> its the mask on mounting
[06:33] <hydrogen> try setting uid=1000,gid=1000
[06:33] <hydrogen> in fstab
[06:33] <hydrogen> in the options column
[06:34] <genii> Also I'd say change the one "auto" by itself to ntfs
[06:34] <jalbert> ok so I have to open fstab in nano?
[06:34] <hydrogen> no
[06:34] <hydrogen> any editor
[06:34] <genii> heh
[06:34] <jalbert> kate?
[06:35] <hydrogen> you can use kateif you want
[06:35] <hydrogen> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[06:35] <genii> kdesu kate
[06:35] <jalbert> I just did "sudo kate fstab"
[06:35] <jalbert> I mean /etc/fstab
[06:36] <genii> hydrogen, jalbert I gotta go
[06:36] <hydrogen> its better to use kdesu
[06:36] <hydrogen> cu genii
[06:36] <jalbert> ok
[06:36] <genii> DONT use sudo for gui stuff
[06:36] <jalbert> thanks genii
[06:36] <genii> bleh
[06:36] <jalbert> ok
[06:36] <genii> jalbert: I'll be around tomorrow if it still a headache but i think you'll get it now
[06:36] <genii> hydrogen Gnite
[06:36] <jalbert> ok
[06:37] <jalbert> thanks
[06:37] <XceII> nite genii
[06:37] <jalbert> I might be around in the evening, though I still have a bit of xmas sbhopping to hopping to do
[06:37] <jalbert> xmas shopping
[06:38] <jalbert> I'm gonna go hopping and schbopping
[06:38] <jalbert> anyway
[06:38] <jalbert> what do I have to change in there?
[06:38] <jalbert> edit this? /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0
[06:39] <XceII> Xmas is not about purchasing..its about helping.
[06:40] <jalbert> hydrogen: what do I edit in here?
[06:44] <import> need some help wine needs this and i dont know where to get it install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables
[06:48] <import> anyone here?
[06:49] <mox69> hi
[06:49] <import> mox69 hey
[06:49] <import> can ya help me?
[06:49] <mox69> import: what ya trying to do?
[06:49] <import> above
[06:49] <import> install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables
[06:49] <import> its for wine
[06:50] <mox69> ahh
[06:50] <mox69> hmm well
[06:50] <import> i did apt-get install mono but it still wont work
[06:50] <mox69> your gonna need to get an .exe file im sure
[06:50] <mox69> mono = run .net on linux
[06:50] <import> aww
[06:50] <mox69> so you technically want the .net runtime environment 2.0
[06:50] <progmanos> has anyone managed to successfully install kde4 rc2 on gutsy?
[06:50] <import> so i need to wine mono to get it work
[06:50] <mox69> mono lets you run .net stuff without wine
[06:50] <mox69> does that make sense?
[06:51] <emilsedgh> import: mono is for writing programs, not running them
[06:51] <import> yep
[06:51] <emilsedgh> i think
[06:51] <import> i need the runtime
[06:51] <mox69> mono is the linux version of the .net runtime
[06:51] <mox69> since your in wine, you still want the windows version
[06:51] <mox69> now I have NO idea if .NET 2,0 will install / run in wine
[06:51] <import> mox 69 im getting mono-runtime see if that works
[06:52] <mox69> ok
[06:52] <progmanos> i have an error (I'm assuming the package is at fault) kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 will not install
[06:52] <hellonull> where do you enable nvidia drivers in kubuntu 7.10 w/ rc2?
[06:52] <mox69> import: check here http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3754
[06:52] <mox69> thats what you need
[06:52] <progmanos> Here's the output of aptitude: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin
[06:53] <emilsedgh> !brokenkde4 | progmanos
[06:53] <ubotu> progmanos: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[06:53] <import> thank you
[06:53] <progmanos> will try
[06:57] <import> thank you again
[06:58] <import> its working nicely
[06:58] <hellonull> !nvidia
[06:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:06] <progmanos> thanks, ubotu
[07:06] <progmanos> that worked
[07:07] <hellonull> lol ubotu is a bot :-P
[07:08] <progmanos> lol
[07:08] <mox69> he still appreciates praise im sure :)
[07:09] <progmanos>  ;-)
[07:09] <progmanos> kudos to whoever wrote the bot's response
[07:10] <progmanos>  :-)
[07:17] <ere4si> ubotu is wise
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is wise - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <progmanos> classic
[07:17] <progmanos> lol
[07:18] <TheFishy> I change my kde login manager GUI to something different and it doesn't change, anyone know how to fix this?
[07:20] <TheFishy> anyone?
[07:20] <LimCore> TheFishy: kdm gdm
[07:20] <LimCore>  /etc/init.d/gdm  stop        then  ....../kdm start
[07:20] <TheFishy> no such dir
[07:21] <progmanos> ah, tracked down the author of the ubotu response to my post.  it's ljl .  found at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi?search=kde4
[07:21] <LimCore> TheFishy: install kdm
[07:21] <progmanos> kudos to ljl
[07:22] <TheFishy> it ia
[07:22] <TheFishy> it is*
[07:22] <TheFishy> brb
[07:31] <ansk-ri> i'm having problem with my wireless connection
[07:32] <flake> is there a way to set up the soundcard to mix audio so I can avoid those  /dev/dsp: Device busy or resource..   ?
[07:35] <TheFishy> so after struggling with apt to work... had some errors with it
[07:35] <TheFishy> it gives me and i quote
[07:35] <TheFishy> "kdm is already the newest version."
[07:41] <mox69> what are you trying to do Fishy?
[07:48] <mcquaid> is there a kde app for editing id3 tags of mp3s?
[07:50] <qutoz> hi, I need to login as postgres user without login as root first, I tried to make that but it keep asking me about the password
[07:52] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i install ubuntu desktop?
[07:52] <emilsedgh> mcquaid: there is, search kde-apps.org for it
[07:52] <mcquaid> i am can't find it
[07:52] <emilsedgh> !info ubuntu-desktop | Jay-Oh-En
[07:52] <ubotu> jay-oh-en: ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.79 (gutsy), package size 22 kB, installed size 48 kB
[07:53] <mcquaid> well i see a qt4 app, hoping  there's something in the ubnuntu packages
[07:53] <emilsedgh> Jay-Oh-En: just install it using adept or apt-get
[07:53] <mcquaid> thought there might be a popular one for kde like easytag for gnome
[07:53] <emilsedgh> mcquaid: let me search
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> Easytag works I think
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> !id3
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about id3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <ardchoille> !info kid3
[07:54] <ubotu> kid3: KDE MP3 ID3 tag editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 320 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[07:54] <ardchoille> mcquaid: ^^
[07:54] <ardchoille> Though, easytag is pretty nice
[07:55] <emilsedgh> and theres a kmp3tag...wow many applications for that purpose
[07:55] <mcquaid> cool, well i'll give those two a try if not it's easytag
[07:58] <Jay-Oh-En> how come firefox is slow on KDE
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> Um. its not really.
[07:59] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: You mean takes a while to launch?
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> Still about 40% faster than on windows Xp on the same PC
[08:00] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: no like overall and yes it takes a while to launch too
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> The loading time is marginally slower
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> but actual running
[08:01] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Enable pipelining. In ff, type "about:config" into the location bar, then type "pipelin" into the config bar and change the pipelining and proxy.pipelining to "true" and the maxrequests to 8. Restart and it should be faster.
[08:01] <ubuntu> Installing Kubuntu, wewt.
[08:02] <stanley> hi there
[08:02] <ubuntu> Hey.
[08:02] <stanley> does anyone have instructions on how to install firefox <IP_ADDRESS> in kubuntu?//
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> stanley: sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:02] <ubuntu> Beat me to it.
[08:02] <ardchoille> stanley: It's in the repos
[08:03] <stanley> i have downloaded the tar zip and extracted the files to my home folder under a folder called firefox
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> With (k)Ubuntu, I need a way to merge 2 networks via a single PC so that PC's on both sides of the bridge [as such] have access to the primary PC, and all PC's on the internal side [as such] have access directly to all the PC's on the external side..
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> So basically:      External <--->  PC <--->  Internal
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> External + Internal need access to "PC"
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> Internal needs access to External
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> External does not neccessarily need direct (all port) access to Internal, but certain ports do need to be forwarded to specific Internal PC's
[08:03] <ardchoille> stanley: How's that for simple instructions? lol
[08:03] <qutoz> hi, I need to login as postgres user without login as root first, I tried to make that but it keep asking me about the password
[08:03] <GradeFPoultry> Stanley: Just type sudo apt-get install firefox, and it should do all the work for you.
[08:03] <stanley> ardchoille: tried that but i get this message
[08:04] <mox69> steve: do you have 2 network cards in the pc...
[08:04] <stanley> v
[08:04] <stanley> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:04] <stanley> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:04] <stanley> is only available from another source
[08:04] <stanley> E: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[08:05] <ardchoille> stanley: Are you on Gutsy?
[08:05] <stanley> yes 7.10
[08:05] <stanley> i just downloaded and installed it on Mon
[08:05] <ardchoille> stanley: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[08:05] <ardchoille> !pastebin | stanley
[08:05] <ubotu> stanley: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:05] <stanley> actually this is my first time using Kubuntu or linux
[08:06] <mox69> stan: open a terminal
[08:06] <stanley> mox69: done
[08:06] <mox69> type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[08:06] <ardchoille> stanley: Open konqueror and type in:  file://etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: what about it using a lot of my system stuff
[08:06] <ardchoille> stanley: Open konqueror and type in:  file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <ardchoille> stanley: The copy/paste that into pastebin
[08:07] <mox69> stan: or do  what ardch says, proally easier
[08:07] <stanley> mox69: it says no such file or directory
[08:07] <GradeFPoultry> This is a really stupid question, but how to I view a list of servers in Konversation?
[08:08] <ardchoille> stanley: Are you sure you put the path i correctly?
[08:08] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: it uses alot of memory
[08:08] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: firefox has many known memory leaks
[08:09] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: And using certain, or too many, extensions can slow it down and eat more memory
[08:09] <Cold_Inz> Anyone know how to fix the system freeze wich is caused by superkaramba ? (can move mouse, and superkaramba gadgets keep running, x-org takes 99-100% cpu) "fixed" when not using superkaramba so it's either the problem or it's triggering something in the xorg, haven't seen it otherwise
[08:09] <stanley> ardchoille: file:///etc/apt/sources.list -> no souch file or directory
[08:09] <Cold_Inz> also alot of others having the same problems when searching google, but none come up with a fix other than to stop using superkaramba
[08:10] <ardchoille> stanley: That would explain why you can't install anything
[08:10] <ardchoille> !source-o-matic | stanley
[08:10] <ubotu> stanley: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:10] <mox69> cold inz: goto a terminal and type: rm -r .qt
[08:11] <mox69> and get used to doing that every time you boot :)
[08:11] <mox69> kill and restart superkaramba as well
[08:11] <ardchoille> mox69: or put a bash script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:11] <mox69> err do: rm -r ~/.qt
[08:11] <stanley> ardchoille: it ubuntu, i am on kubuntu...no diff yes?
[08:12] <ardchoille> stanley: No diff, they both use the same repo list
[08:12] <Cold_Inz> or put it in rc scrit. anyways, what exactly is causing it ?
[08:12] <zekix> plop
[08:12] <zekix> hi all
[08:12] <zekix> gentoo?
[08:13] <ardchoille> No, kubuntu
[08:13] <zekix> # tribugentoo
[08:13] <stanley> ardchoille: i get a konqueror4ZCM3b.tmp file which opened in Kate
[08:13] <homercycles> Help! I'm installing kubuntu (7.10) and it's at 82% saying "Configuring apt" and "scanning the mirror..." but isn't getting anywhere. I'm still using the install/live CD to use Konversation to be in this chat room. Thanks
[08:13] <zekix> #tribugentoo
[08:13] <ardchoille> stanley: How did you get that?
[08:14] <Cold_Inz> mox69: do you know what exactly is causing the freezeup ? what in .qt/ is making it happen ?
[08:14] <stanley> i clicked on the Create Sources List buttonon the website you gave
[08:14] <zekix> kubuntu fr?
[08:15] <ardchoille> stanley: Ah, ok, you need to save that file somewhere but give it the name "sources.list"  (without quotes), then open a terminal and do:  sudo cp /wherever/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:16] <ardchoille> stanley: When that is done, you need to update your sources with:  sudo apt-get update
[08:16] <ardchoille> stanley: Then you should be good to go
[08:16] <mox69> cold_inz: i really don;t know , but superkaramba does something to a file in that directory that causes all of my GUI programs to spike to 99%
[08:16] <mox69> cold_inz: I tried to figure out why, but never really could. The problem will go away after you rm that directory and restart the slow / hung apps
[08:17] <Cold_Inz> mox69: hm ok at least I got something to work on now, thanks !
[08:17] <mox69> and it went away forever when i un-installed superkaramba and Baghira
[08:17] <stanley> silly me...i am supposed to replace /wherever with the path of the sources.list on my system right>?
[08:17] <ardchoille> mox69: baghira works great here, no spikes
[08:18] <ardchoille> stanley: replace wherever with wherever you saved it
[08:18] <egonw> questions about the KDE4RC2 can you go here? if so, anyone reported a overwrite problem when installing kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 yet?
[08:18] <mox69> ya i think it was more superkaramba
[08:18] <hellonull> egonw: yeah i think i saw someone in here with that earlier
[08:19] <hellonull> !brokenkde4 | egonw
[08:19] <ubotu> egonw: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[08:19] <ardchoille> stanley: Did you understand that?
[08:19] <Cold_Inz> mox69: I think it's a version of either QT or xorg not very happy amongst superkaramba applications or something, so some people don't have the problem because of that, but that's just my theory
[08:19] <stanley> ardchoille: and mox69 a whole bunch of stuff is appearing on the console window
[08:19] <stanley> looks like it's downloading
[08:20] <ardchoille> stanley: is it doing "ignore" or "hit" ?
[08:20] <egonw> hellonull: OK, giving that a try...
[08:20] <stanley> it's doing "Get"
[08:20] <ardchoille> stanley: Good
[08:21] <egonw> hellonull: I think I understand the problem...
[08:21] <mox69> Cold_Inz: yep I am pretty sure its something with QT or X, but was never really able to track it down
[08:21] <stanley> finished now. but just some errors about index files
[08:21] <ardchoille> stanley: Can you pastebin those errors?
[08:21] <stanley> downloading firefox files
[08:22] <stanley> err...sorry i have not used pastebin before
[08:22] <mox69> stan: if the error is a line or two just copy/past in here
[08:22] <mox69> stan: say less than 50 words
[08:22] <ardchoille> stanley: It may have failed to fetch sources lists, no problem there, you can update again later. If it persists, then you might post back here
[08:23] <stanley> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:23] <ardchoille> Right, that can happen
[08:23] <ardchoille> Just update again later. Which ones failed?
[08:23] <stanley> I am sure these instructions (like sources.list) are somewhere in a Knowledgebase yes?
[08:24] <ardchoille> !repos | stanley
[08:24] <ubotu> stanley: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:24] <stanley> deb.opera.com etch
[08:24] <stanley> that failed
[08:24] <ardchoille> stanley: You should not be using any debian source4s at all, that can hose your system
[08:24] <ardchoille> stanley: You should only be using ubuntu sources
[08:25] <mox69> kubuntu isn't binary compatable with debian...?
[08:25] <ardchoille> stanley: Can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:25] <stanley> ardchoille: but it got downloaded already
[08:25] <ardchoille> mox69: it's very dangerous
[08:25] <stanley> can it be removed? BTW firefox is up and running
[08:25] <mox69> hmm :) alright i should remember that
[08:25] <ardchoille> stanley: Can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:25] <stanley> how do i do that please?
[08:26] <ardchoille> stanley: Open konqueror and type in:  file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[08:26] <ardchoille> stanley: Then copy and paste that into http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:27] <ardchoille> Then give us the url
[08:28] <stanley> paste ok URL http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47930/
[08:28] <egonw> hellonull: that helped! thanx!
[08:29] <cpk1> argh whats the proposed updates repo?
[08:29] <hellonull> np egonw
[08:29] <ardchoille> stanley: Remove lines 29 - 31 and save.
[08:29] <ardchoille> stanley: Then: sudo apt-get update
[08:30] <ardchoille> stanley: Correction, remove lines 29 - 35 and save
[08:31] <ardchoille> stanley: You should only use ubuntu sources and then only the sources for your release (using edgy sources in gutsy is bad)
[08:31] <stanley> ardchoille: i have 3 versions of sources.list files
[08:32] <Aut0zz> how long should it take kubuntu to boot up, jus trying to test not install
[08:32] <ardchoille> stanley: You can only use one at a time, if you mix releases or distros you're only gonna cause yourself problems
[08:32] <stanley> sources.list, sources.listd sources.listdistUpgrade
[08:34] <stanley> ardchoille: lines 29 to 31 deleted
[08:34] <ardchoille> stanley: delete the edgy sources too
[08:35] <stanley> arrghhh...i cant save the file
[08:35] <ardchoille> the last three lines I believe it was
[08:35] <ardchoille> stanley: kdesudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:35] <ardchoille> stanley: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:36] <ardchoille> stanley: Be careful with that kate editor, it's running as admin user, so watch what you're doing while it's open.
[08:37] <stanley> can i remove the other 2 sources.list files?
[08:38] <ardchoille> stanley: Leave them for now, they aren't hurting anything and they aren't being used.
[08:38] <ardchoille> stanley: It's a good idea to take care of the current sources.list file first, then decide if you want to delete the others.
[08:38] <stanley> ok
[08:38] <stanley> thank you so much
[08:39] <ardchoille> yw :)
[08:39] <apparle> ardchoille: Thanks for yesterday
[08:39] <apparle>  :D
[08:39] <stanley> if i ever have to do a ./configuration on any package, does kubuntu have the gcc compiler already?>
[08:39] <ardchoille> stanley: Any time you finish editing the sources.list, you need to update your sources with: sudo apt-get update
[08:39] <stanley> or do i have to download it?
[08:40] <stanley> yes doing the update now
[08:40] <ardchoille> stanley: I've never had to compile. But if you do, you'll need to install build-essential
[08:40] <ardchoille> stanley: The ubuntu repos are huge :)
[08:40] <ardchoille> apparle: yw :)
[08:41] <stanley> build-essential is an application i can download yes?/
[08:41] <ardchoille> Yes, it's the compiler and other tools you'll need to compile from source
[08:42] <hellonull> i'm a recent gnome convert... where in kubuntu do i go for user/group management?
[08:43] <ardchoille> hellonull: terminal?
[08:43] <stanley> does anyone have issues with Kopete 0.12.7 using the MSN plugin?
[08:43] <ardchoille> I don't know of any gui tools for that
[08:43] <homercycles> My system has onboard Realtek HD Audio and a PCI Soundblaster Live card (needed for strange speakers). Sound was working but after reboot/install of ati driver, sound isn't working. Is there a way to set the SB Live as my default sound output?
[08:43] <ardchoille> stanley: updating kopete shold fix that MSN problem
[08:43] <stanley> so i am not the only one
[08:44] <homercycles> The System Settings, Sound System, Hardware tab only lets me choose between various sound libraries, not hardware, alas
[08:44] <ardchoille> stanley: It's beginning to sound like you updated from an earlier release of ubuntu/kubuntu
[08:44] <stanley> ardchoille: nope, it's a fresh install
[08:44] <ardchoille> stanley: Please do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:44] <stanley> i cant even get ubuntu to work when i tried to burn the iso i downloaded
[08:45] <homercycles> strangely enough, it will let me choose the hardware for MIDI, just not normal sound
[08:45] <hellonull> stanley: did you do a checksum on the iso?
[08:45] <ardchoille> stanley: That will update your sources and then upgrade all of your apps to the latest versions
[08:45] <stanley> no i didnt download the checksum
[08:46] <stanley> after a few attempts i gave up and went with kubuntu
[08:46] <ardchoille> stanley: Always a good idea to checksum an iso, can save you from making coasters :)
[08:46] <stanley> which i must say has a pretty cool interface
[08:46] <hellonull> esp. if you download it via http
[08:46] <stanley> ardchoille: yes agree. I realised that only recently
[08:49] <stanley> the kde 4 rc2 iso has only the live version of kde 4 yes? does it also have the packages required to install kde 4?
[08:50] <homercycles> My system has onboard Realtek HD Audio and a PCI Soundblaster Live card (needed for strange speakers). Sound was working but after reboot/install of ati driver, sound isn't working. Is there a way to set the SB Live as my default sound output?
[08:52] <ardchoille> stanley: If this is your first week using Linux, then I would recommend you not using/installing kde4.. unless you plan to help squash lots of bugs :)
[08:52] <Stevethepirate> Widgets on my kde4 rc2 are like -stuck- in the middle of the screen
[08:52] <Stevethepirate> such failure
[08:53] <stanley> ardchoille: hahah...yes good idea
[08:53] <stanley> since there is the live cd I will just look at the interface
[08:53] <stanley> have you tired it?
[08:54] <ardchoille> I don't use beta software, I don't have the patience for it
[08:54] <stanley> oh ok
[08:55] <Tm_T> Stevethepirate: works fine here
[08:55] <apparle> ardchoille: I get this error while configuring source packages http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47931/
[08:55] <hellonull> Stevethepirate: mine are working fine, too
[08:56] <ardchoille> apparle: You probably need xserver-xorg-dev
[08:56] <ardchoille> apparle: What are you compiling?
[08:57] <homercycles> Adept seems to say that the latest Firefox is <IP_ADDRESS>, but I've had <IP_ADDRESS> on Windows. Could the repository be out of date or something?
[08:58] <stanley> homercycles: with ardchoille's help i got <IP_ADDRESS> from the repository
[08:58] <stanley> using apt-get
[08:58] <ardchoille> homercycles: You're probably using an older kubuntu release. Open a terminal and type: lsb_release -a | grep -i release
[08:59] <homercycles> No LSB modules are available. Release: 7.10
[08:59] <ardchoille> homercycles: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:59] <homercycles> I just installed it from the new 7.10 ISO I burnted a few weeks ago (failed install back then but had time today to get it working)
[09:00] <ardchoille> homercycles: Yeah, you need to update and upgrade. The apps in the repos have been updated since the iso was released
[09:00] <homercycles> will that tell me how much it's going to download before doing it?
[09:00] <ardchoille> homercycles: It will prompt you for confirmation, yes
[09:01] <homercycles> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:01] <homercycles> strange
[09:01] <Stevethepirate> output ur sudo apt-get update to a pastebin plz
[09:01] <ardchoille> homercycles: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[09:01] <ardchoille> !pastebin | homercycles
[09:01] <ubotu> homercycles: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:02] <homercycles> pastebin, now, that must be something that doesn't mean paste into IRC channel, I'm guessing (don't want to be naughty). What's pastebin?
[09:02] <homercycles> ah, thanks ubotu
[09:02] <mox69> paste to a html page
[09:02] <mox69> more or less
[09:02] <ardchoille> !thanks | homercycles
[09:02] <ubotu> homercycles: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:02] <homercycles> what a nice bot :-)
[09:03] <apparle> ardchoille: I am compililing kdemltimedia package
[09:04] <ardchoille> apparle: Any reason you aren't installing it from the repos?
[09:04] <homercycles> An error occurred while loading http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/:
[09:04] <homercycles> Unknown host paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:04] <homercycles> the only uncommented lines are as follows (I hope 2 lines are OK):
[09:04] <homercycles> deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe
[09:04] <homercycles> deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe
[09:05] <ardchoille> homercycles: You're missing multiverse
[09:05] <homercycles> I was able to get the main pastebin page working but the Paste! button returns an error
[09:05] <GreatBritain> homercycles: try www.pastebin.ca
[09:05] <homercycles> I did tick multiverse in adept but maybe it didn't save that. ticking it in adept updates sources.list?
[09:06] <ardchoille> homercycles: Here is a safe sources.list (mine) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47932/
[09:06] <homercycles> my internet must be frigged coz pastebin.ca and that sources.list won't load.
[09:06] <apparle> ardchoille: I have ATI drivers. Will  it do if I download and install xserver-xorg-dev
[09:07] <ardchoille> apparle: *-dev are only development files used for compiling, it should be fine
[09:07] <GreatBritain> i have problems if i try to do the kde4 updates - kdm-kde4 doesn't seem to work - and it cauces some other broken packages - i had to remove launchpad from my sources to fix the problem.
[09:07] <ardchoille> apparle: Any reason you aren't installing it from the repos?
[09:08] <ardchoille> apparle: kdemultimedia is in the repos
[09:09] <ardchoille> homercycles: What about:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/?show=m236b8cc9
[09:10] <apparle> ardchoille: I have OSS sound drivers and Kmix is not working. I thought if I just compiled it maybe it will work
[09:10] <homercycles> sorry for the delay. I've just specified my ISP's DNS as my primary DNS. The internal DNS in my ADSL router is sub-par, I reckon. inspecting sources.list now. appreciate help :-) Thank you
[09:10] <ardchoille> apparle: You're call. I'm not much help with sound problems.
[09:10] <ardchoille> homercycles: yw
[09:12] <jussio1> stdin: ping
[09:12] <apparle> ardchoille :Unless you are developing or building a driver, you probably want xserver-xorg and/or xserver-xorg-core instead. what do I do
[09:12] <ardchoille> apparle: I'm afraid I can't help with compiling, I've not had to compile in years :(
[09:13] <homercycles> could I just add "multiverse" to the end of my current deb line in sources.list to keep using my Australian mirror?
[09:13] <SatManUK> my master volume doesn't work on kmix - if i try to use the volume on my keyboard it freezes at 11% or 0 - or 100% - 89%
[09:13] <ardchoille> homercycles: You could do that, yes
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[09:13] <ardchoille> homercycles: But remember to "sudo apt-get update" when finished editing
[09:13] <ardchoille> hi ActionParsnip
[09:13] <SatManUK> hey ActionParsnip thanks for your help yesterday mate we got the grraphics working smooth :)
[09:14] <homercycles> thanks, ardchoille. I am very grateful for your help (Windows has done me over for the last time! I swear!)
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: awesome dude, sweet move
[09:14] <ardchoille> homercycles: No problem :)
[09:14] <manuel_> i've got problems installing kde4 rc2: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 wants to overwrite /usr/bin/kwriteconfig. The solution posted in the ubuntuforums with purging all kde4 packages didn't work for me... any ideas?
[09:14] <apparle> ardchoille: bye the way how do I resolve this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47931/ I get it while developing in kdevelop
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: Nvidia kick ass with Linux
[09:14] <SatManUK> im working on my own pc now having got my friends working smooth, i can't get the sound to adjust properly
[09:15] <ardchoille> apparle: You already asked me that
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> apparle: Install the xlibs-dev package
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: how do you mean adjust?
[09:16] <SatManUK> if i wanna reduce volume - its on the speakers - or in amarok
[09:16] <SatManUK> i mean up and down
[09:16] <SatManUK> if i use the sound on the keyboard - it sticks
[09:16] <homercycles> This kubuntu is turning out to be a real pleasure. "sudo vi" started doing strange things, even in insert mode, so I thought "hmm, nano is a nice editor on the Mac, I wonder if it's on Linux" so I type "sudo nano" and voilas! Nice, working, editor. Me very happy!
[09:16] <apparle> which one xlibs-dev or xserver-xorg-dev
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> xlibs-dev
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[09:17] <apparle> ActionParsnip: that package doesnot exist for gutsy http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xlibs-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> apparle: try xlibs-static-dev. If you dont get any further uninstall it
[09:19] <hellonull> ActionParsnip: you spoke of nvidia a few lines ago... do you per chance know how to enable the nvidia restricted drivers in kde 4 rc2?