[11:42] <asac> dtchen: its really a mess. why the hell is pulseaudio still highly unstable ... everytime i want to hear sound i have to kiillall pulseaudio and start it again
[11:42] <asac> and on console it sometimes says: "too high CPU load" ... lets exit
[11:42] <asac> why that?
[11:42] <asac> i dont want pulseaudio to exit at all
[11:44] <BUGabundo> asac: works for me!
[11:44] <BUGabundo> asac: are you using the backports kernel? or stable one?
[11:44] <asac> stable one ... but its not a kernel issue imo
[11:45] <asac> i mean its userspace pulseaudio
[11:45] <BUGabundo> AFAIK the dtchen kernel fixed a lot of stuff for me, and its now in proposed
[11:45] <asac> hmm
[11:45] <BUGabundo> ABTW good morning
[11:45] <asac> E: cpulimit.c: Received request to terminate due to CPU overload.
[11:45] <BUGabundo> asac: like video slowdown? sound crackling ?
[11:45] <asac> thats a mess ... it MUST never exit
[11:45] <BUGabundo> ahhh that... never got that AFAIS
[11:46] <asac> BUGabundo: i see that too
[11:46] <BUGabundo> let me grep my syslog
[11:46] <asac> but why pulseaudio exists is a real mess
[11:46] <BUGabundo> nothing like that for me
[11:46] <BUGabundo> asac: please try the proposed kernel
[11:46] <asac> Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating.
[11:46] <asac> E: cpulimit.c: Received request to terminate due to CPU overload.
[11:47] <BUGabundo> should fix those and many more stupid ALSA/PA bugs
[11:47] <asac> BUGabundo: atm i have sound ... will try it next time.
[11:47] <asac> but pulseaudio exiting is just a bug in pulseaudio imo
[11:47] <BUGabundo> okay
[11:48] <BUGabundo> from what I recall from all the talks I've had with dtchen on this
[11:48] <BUGabundo> there's are a lot of stuff that is at a place its not to be in...
[11:49] <BUGabundo> so many bits aren't correct version between kernel and userspace
[11:50] <asac> could be
[11:50] <asac> another annoying thing are kernel changelogs. they should really metnioned the committ id
[11:50] <asac> i cannot even look what the changes are easily now ;)
[11:51] <BUGabundo> eheheeeheheh
[11:51] <BUGabundo> asac: I wish that for EVERY package
[11:51] <BUGabundo> reading from the changelogs manually sucks big tine
[11:51] <BUGabundo> *time
[11:51] <BUGabundo> oh and I wish NM could connect to 3G donlges after hibernate resume....
[11:52] <BUGabundo> most of the times I have to reboot
[11:52] <asac> well. some packages have patch systems
[11:53] <asac> so adding a patch is easy to understand
[11:53] <asac> like what we do in mozilla packages
[11:53] <asac> updating patches is sometimes not easy ... but usually we shouldnt update patches ... instead add a new one
[11:54] <asac> ok ... off chilling to music (as long as it works ;))
[11:58] <BUGabundo> eeheehe
[11:59] <BUGabundo> I'm waiting for all new changes, for BT support and full network integration
[12:30] <asac> Jazzva: so some got updated ... others didnt get update in daily
[12:30] <asac> same problem on chromium-daily archive
[12:30] <asac> i guess fta's bot has a bug ;)
[13:07] <Jazzva> asac: ok
[14:05] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: did we get twitter working with gwibber?
[14:10] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: works for me
[14:10] <BUGabundo> want me to ping you there?
[14:10] <gnomefreak> ping me where?
[14:11] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: the links you gave me are my dents?
[14:12] <BUGabundo> one is
[14:13] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: ping you to twitter via gwibber
[14:13] <gnomefreak> yeah, that would be nice but when did you get it working?
[14:15] <BUGabundo> long time ago??
[14:15] <BUGabundo> it only times out because I do more then 100 hits per hour to the API
[14:16] <BUGabundo>  Based on last 25 dents posted in the last 38 days daily  average is 0.66
[14:16] <BUGabundo> that's it??
[14:16] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you have no Social Life dude
[14:16] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: it failed to connect every time i used it
[14:16] <BUGabundo> remove, purgem install daily ?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i do just not on blogs :) i havent found any of my normal freids
[14:17] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i have daily since i re installed Jaunty
[14:17] <BUGabundo> works for me
[14:17] <BUGabundo> have you purged it ?
[14:17] <BUGabundo> or even try a new account ?
[14:17] <BUGabundo> some ppl add to re-introduce the passwork
[14:17] <BUGabundo> *password
[14:17] <BUGabundo> with me it just worked
[14:18] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: ok ill test it in a minute
[14:18] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: dent and twit sent
[14:18] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks
[14:19] <BUGabundo> yay another gwibber bug
[14:20] <gnomefreak> omg it works :)
[14:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks for the dents
[14:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:20] <BUGabundo> pass bug?
[14:20] <gnomefreak> itsa gone it seems
[14:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: how do you post to one blog or the other?
[14:28] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you mean µblog, right? I use many tools
[14:28] <gnomefreak> with gwibber
[14:28] <BUGabundo> web, gwibber, ping, hello, xmpp (several bots), and µblogpurple (pidgin plugin)
[14:28] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I can select to where to write with gwibber
[14:29] <BUGabundo> just rigth click on the Send bar
[14:29] <gnomefreak> ah its set to use both
[14:29] <gnomefreak> so whatever i post goes to both?
[14:32] <BUGabundo> yep
[14:32] <BUGabundo> plus identica can send your stuff directly to twit
[14:32] <BUGabundo> just make sure you don't abuse both !
[14:33] <BUGabundo> AFAIK twit blocks duplicates... but none the less be aware of that
[14:33] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: ok
[14:51] <gnomefreak> is there  acommand to check what mother board you have?
[14:51] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: lshal ?
[14:51] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: sysinfo ?
[14:52] <gnomefreak> thanks looking
[14:52] <gnomefreak> ok brb
[15:08] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: any idea how to find Bios mfgr?
[15:09] <BUGabundo> "mfgr" ?
[15:10] <gnomefreak> manufaturer (spelled wrong) its too early to think :(
[15:10] <BUGabundo> Sun May  3 15:10:40 WEST 2009
[15:10] <BUGabundo>  !date
[15:10] <BUGabundo>  !time
[15:10] <BUGabundo>  !now
[15:10] <BUGabundo> bah
[15:10] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: its 3pm here
[15:12] <gnomefreak> I'm wondering if it is the same as the name of pc example: Dell Optiplex 3333
[15:17] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:17] <BUGabundo> check dell website
[15:18] <BUGabundo> they have great specs info
[15:19] <gnomefreak> sudo dmidecode seems to work i justr cant find who makes the bios other than intel but that is proc not bios
[15:24] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you are luck
[15:24] <BUGabundo> 	Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
[15:24] <BUGabundo> *lucky
[15:24] <gnomefreak> where did you find that?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> demidecode of my board
[15:25] <BUGabundo> :(
[15:25] <BUGabundo> is LP PPAs open for karmic?
[15:25] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes
[15:25] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:25] <BUGabundo> I can't find a single one with it
[15:26] <BUGabundo> not even fta's daily
[15:26] <gnomefreak> i built SM2 for hardy intrepid jaunty and karmic :)
[15:26] <BUGabundo> link ?
[15:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/646021 do you see manufactuer?
[15:27] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/ppa for ppa
[15:28] <BUGabundo> mattj is building trunk packages for https://launchpad.net/~prosody-dev/+archive/ppa
[15:33] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: can you post the all thing?
[15:33] <BUGabundo> not just 0
[15:34] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yeah on eminute
[15:34] <gnomefreak> Base Board Information Manufacturer: Dell Computer Corporation
[15:35] <gnomefreak> i thinks that is it
[15:35] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:35] <BUGabundo> but that tells you *noting*
[15:35] <gnomefreak> i missed that thew 4 times i used that command without the -0
[15:36] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/646023
[15:36] <gnomefreak> let me know if you find anything. i need to get a drink
[15:38] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: why aren't you using pastebinit?
[15:38] <BUGabundo> like to have double trouble?
[15:38] <BUGabundo>  !info pastebinit
[15:38]  * BUGabundo hates bots that don't parse leading spaces
[15:40] <gnomefreak> lol
[15:40] <gnomefreak> !pastebinit
[15:40] <gnomefreak> of course not
[15:40] <BUGabundo> its on Universe
[15:41] <BUGabundo>         500 ftp://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages
[15:41] <gnomefreak> yeah i know im going to add it to bot if i can think of a good description
[15:42] <hjmf> gnomefreak: you looks to have a dell bios A05 http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&releaseid=R137096&SystemID=LATITUDE D620&servicetag=&os=WW1&osl=en&deviceid=10109&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=7&catid=1&impid=-1&formatcnt=1&libid=1&fileid=183176
[15:42] <hjmf> quite old 2001?
[15:42] <hjmf> the last update seems to be for 2006
[15:42] <hjmf> update it! :-P
[15:43] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: doesn't the bot read from archive the info on packages?
[15:43] <gnomefreak> yep it is old just havent gotten around to trying to screw up ubuntu. i remember how to update for windows
[15:43] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: for !info yes
[15:44] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:44] <BUGabundo> I meant !package
[15:45] <gnomefreak> !info pastebinit
[15:45] <gnomefreak> there you go
[15:47] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: it was the space before the ! that caused it
[15:47] <BUGabundo> I know
[15:47] <BUGabundo> but pidgin requires it
[15:47] <BUGabundo> other wise it execs it as a local command
[15:47] <gnomefreak> hjmf the link you gave me is invalid
[15:47] <BUGabundo> do you think you or other OP could change the bots* to parse the leading space?
[15:48] <hjmf> gnomefreak: maybe too long for xchat :-/
[15:48] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: that has to be done on server and the guy running the server isnt here
[15:48] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i use irssi :)
[15:48] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: can you ask him when he comes online?
[15:49] <hjmf> http://ftp.us.dell.com/bios/D620_A05.EXE
[15:49] <BUGabundo> I would appreciate!
[15:49] <gnomefreak> hjmf: thanks
[15:49] <gnomefreak> hjmf: my point its an .exe and it doesnt help me on ubuntu
[15:49] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes if im here
[15:50] <gnomefreak> let me ping him real fast see if he is up yet
[15:50] <hjmf> gnomefreak: Im sure you can dd a floppy and reboot :-)
[15:50] <hjmf> gnomefreak: check instructions however
[15:50] <gnomefreak> hjmf: ok i will
[15:51] <hjmf> gnomefreak: this is a newer version, I've pastebin the link
[15:52] <hjmf> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.com/deaf62c5
[15:52] <BUGabundo> who still have floppies or even flopy drives?
[15:52] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i do :) i dont htink i still have floppys though but i can look later
[15:53] <BUGabundo> heeh
[15:53] <hjmf> BUGabundo: I still have 4
[15:53] <BUGabundo> I would have to look for mine
[15:53] <hjmf> and a pentium 4 with a floppy
[15:53] <BUGabundo> not even sure the drive is pluged in
[15:54] <hjmf> bye I have to move on!
[15:55] <BUGabundo> brb rebboting to Karmic Koala 9.10 pre-alpha
[20:12] <BUGabundo> 23 users only? am I on the wrong # or was there a netslit?


[08:07] <dax> there goes funkyhat again
[08:07] <Myrtti> uhoh
[08:07] <dax> Myrtti: his client breaks every so often and does this, a k-line's been used to fix it once or twice if it gets bad
[08:08] <Myrtti> noted, I'll have a look after my breakfast
[08:08] <dax> looks like 4 right now, Drone`'s gonna have a field day if it gets to 6
[09:55] <k1l> !ot
[09:56] <k1l> should mention that you need to be registered, imho
[10:25] <ikonia> how is it working out with offtopic +r ?
[15:12] <dax> !-ot
[15:12] <dax> !-offtopic
[15:12] <dax> !-#ubuntu
[15:15] <dax> !#ubuntu =~ s/Please/Please register with Nickserv (see /msg ubottu !register) and/
[15:15] <dax> o rite
[15:15] <dax> !#ubuntu =~ s,Please,Please register with Nickserv (see /msg ubottu !register) and,
[15:15] <dax> !ot
[15:15] <dax> sigh fine
[15:16] <dax> !no, #ubuntu is <reply> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[18:11] <genii> k1l_: Beat me to it :)
[18:12] <k1l_> i was just looking at bantracker because that iprange did ring some bells
[18:13] <Pici> we should go through the factoids with freenode urls in them once the new freenode website settles.
[18:13] <genii> I had a free minute and saw it was an adbot when I checked the link to see if it was some support issue
[18:13] <Pici> its been in a weird state recently.
[18:13] <genii> Yes, seen a few comments about 404 things
[18:14] <Pici> Its missing a bunch of info, and it isn't clear whether we'll actually get replacement pages for those topics.
[18:15] <k1l_> the new freenode page is not ready at all
[18:16] <Pici> it probably shouldn't have gone live in its current state, but that horse has been beaten already.
[18:24] <dax> at least it's loading today \o/
[18:26] <dax> if there's specific stuff that needs adding ASAP, the github issue tracker for it is active
[18:26] <dax> and it's just markdown so should be easy to do pull requests


[01:03] <ievans3024> valorie: that guide does not tell me anything i don't already know, but thank you. i think I will just have to try it, and see what works.
[06:29] <valorie> have a great time with it
[06:32] <bkerensa> hi valorie
[06:33] <bkerensa> valorie: http://ubuntuone.com/4AiC97nxYmfe4UntqLxIyf
[06:33] <valorie> hey
[06:34] <valorie> trying to wind down and think of what I forgot.....
[06:34] <valorie> is that a real tat?
[06:34] <bkerensa> lol
[06:34] <bkerensa> valorie: Yes
[06:35] <valorie> you rock
[06:35] <valorie> my free geek one lasted for almost two weeks!
[06:35] <bkerensa> valorie: Hopefully it meets Canonical's branding guidelines
[06:35] <bkerensa> valorie: The temporary one?
[06:35] <bkerensa> :D
[06:35] <valorie> one of the kids at the hostel thought it was real
[06:35] <valorie> and told me I was badass
[06:36] <valorie> rofl
[06:36] <valorie> yup
[06:36] <valorie> mine would be blue
[06:36] <valorie> the KDE gears
[06:37] <valorie> but I'm not getting one
[06:37] <bkerensa> valorie: This one cost $100 and I got it tonight.... They used a shading gun for the orange that has 15 needles
[06:37] <bkerensa> :(
[06:37] <valorie> dang!
[06:37] <valorie> only 100 for that big and with color?
[06:37] <valorie> geez
[06:37] <bkerensa> valorie: The guy happened to have volunteered at FreeGeek years back
[06:37] <bkerensa> :D
[18:07] <ievans3024> well so far, I come out of the upgrade unscathed
[18:07] <ievans3024> which is a first in a long time
[18:08] <ievans3024> i think that it might have been something to do with my old motherboard which had slowly begun to fail dramatically
[18:09] <ievans3024> strangely enough, it didn't start to fail until i upgraded from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 (i think)
[18:09] <ievans3024> but that could have simply been coincidence
[18:31] <ievans3024> i don't know if kubuntu has thunderbird as the default mail client now, but i can't get it to work
[18:32] <ievans3024> let's see if safe mode works
[18:35] <ievans3024> yes! ok, it's probably one of my extensions
[18:40] <ievans3024> it was whatever process surrounds the detection of incompatible addon versions and upgrading of said addon(s)
[18:41] <ievans3024> in safe mode i removed the old addon and then installed the latest one manually and didn't see any more trouble
[23:18] <valorie> sounds great, ievans!
[23:18] <valorie> glad it worked out for you well


[02:32] <teward> zzlatev_: you're welcome (sorry I had errands all day)
[02:32] <teward> zzlatev_: there should be an updated version now :P
[09:04] <super_koza> Hi! Each time when I restart my server, or when network parameters change, the server isn't able to get a new IP address. I have to manually run dhclient in order to get an IP address.
[09:04] <super_koza> Any idea what might be the issue here and how to solve it?
[10:05] <blackflow> super_koza: what's your network configuration like? pastebin?
[10:23] <super_koza> I haven't done anything network wise, after installing the OS.
[10:23] <super_koza> What should I paste?
[10:25] <blackflow> super_koza: your network configuration. if you're running a server, you must know what that is.
[10:29] <super_koza> well I am not experienced, but I am willing to learn :)
[10:29] <super_koza> or at least I am trying to learn
[10:31] <blackflow> super_koza: default on ubuntu is netplan.io which is just a configuration abstractor for a backend. on server editions, the backend is networkd. can you can pastebin systemd-networkd config? It should be under /etc/systemd/network/<files here>
[10:31] <blackflow> also please pastebin files under /etc/netplan/
[11:13] <zzlatev_> teward: yes it is, once again - tnank yo for everything
[13:35] <super_koza> @blackflow: Sorry, I was AFK
[13:37] <super_koza> The folder /etc/systemd/network is empty, there is nothing there :)
[13:37] <super_koza> In /etc/netplan/ there is only 1 file: 01-netcfg.yaml
[13:39] <super_koza> Here it is: https://pastebin.com/tf9cQJk0
[13:41] <super_koza> This is the network interface that I use: https://pastebin.com/4RcvHs40
[13:41] <super_koza> Notice that it is called eno1
[13:45] <blackflow> super_koza: that's your problem. netplan is configuring enp0s25 instead. I'd say just change that to eno1 in that netplan file  but the $32k question here is why did it change.
[13:46] <super_koza> ok, thanks a lot
[13:47] <super_koza> I will give it a try :)
[13:47] <blackflow> run `netplan apply` after you change its config. might disconnect you if you're doing this over ssh.
[13:48] <super_koza> The only explanation I have for the change is that it might have picked up a small USB dongle when I attached a monitor to it...
[13:49] <blackflow> that's possible I suppose. there have been bug reports of NICs changing names after random hardware is added, removed. but usually it'd be something like different slot in the enp0sX form
[13:49] <blackflow> nevertheless, you can force and bind the NIC name via its MAC address.


[08:53] <thorwil> popey: i guess a youtube skin consists of: square logo (in 2 sizes), one bg color or image, 2 box colors, text and link colors?
[09:19] <popey> no idea thorwil :)
[09:22] <thorwil> popey: should be very straightforward to apply a ubuntu.com alike style, but i'm busy with a mockup and would like to see if someone else picks this up
[09:23] <popey> ok
[10:56] <doctormo> popey: It's a shame youtube doesn't allow channels to redirect, we'd have a better website showing youtube videos and default them all to html5 for the look of the thing. Although me is biased since I fight the youtube UI all the time for control over what I want to watch.
[11:09] <popey> doctormo: build it and we can point people to it
[11:23] <doctormo> popey: What does it need to do again?
[12:08] <popey> doctormo: show videos?
[12:17] <doctormo> popey: That's a vague set of requirements for a whole website. I could knock up a website which shows two fixed videos and fulfil it technically.
[12:17] <doctormo> What I mean to ask
[12:18] <doctormo> Is where do you want users uploading videos to, how automatic would you like listing of videos and what kind of community participation would be good?
[12:50] <popey> I think there's a danger of overthinking it
[12:51] <popey> most of the videos we put out there are to attract people, and most of those (mass generalisation) inhabit youtube
[12:51] <popey> they also generally have flash etc, so dont care for html5
[13:08] <doctormo> popey: There's a paracticalist for you, always pushing away the marketing in favour of the bland.
[13:09] <doctormo> We could link in to what ever community, build a community in that area.
[13:09] <doctormo> http://xkcd.com/802/ <- use this as a map if you like
[13:10] <doctormo> But there is a difference which I'm trying to assess between servicing the X community that are interested in Ubuntu and serving the Ubuntu community with service X.
[13:10] <doctormo> Which is what I think I'm trying to ask you.
[13:11]  * popey shurgs
[13:11] <popey> its not my baby
[13:12] <doctormo> So you don't know what it's for?
[13:12] <popey> "it" being the youtube developer channel?
[13:12] <popey> or "it" being "a system of getting video content to people"?
[13:13] <popey> I can only speculate what I think the channel is for
[13:13] <doctormo> popey: The youtube channel requiring a theme.
[13:14] <popey> the request came from jorge
[13:14] <doctormo> And "a system of getting video" to which people?
[13:14] <doctormo> Youtube people or Planet Ubuntu people.
[13:15] <doctormo> Maybe I should ask jcastro, *sigh* few seem to ever think about marketing seriously.
[13:16] <popey> :(
[13:16] <popey> all I did was ask for a theme to make the youtube developer channel look 'nicer'
[13:17] <doctormo> Sorry, just a bedbug that all this theming is burning away people's time without concise direction so logos and styles don't match their target audience. It's not your fault.


[04:00] <mhall119> akgraner: I've used it twice tonight already
[04:00] <akgraner> :-)
[04:01] <mhall119> I wish you could change the launcher shortcuts
[04:01] <mhall119> I set super+T to open a terminal a long time ago, now it's second nature
[04:01] <mhall119> I must have hopened the trash 3 times in less than an hour
[04:02] <akgraner> ugh I am re-installing kubuntu in a vm for one install screen shot...grrrrr
[04:04] <mhall119> might be easier to just ask a kubuntu user to send you one
[04:15] <akgraner> I got it now thought it would have been easier...but I learned a lot :-)
[04:18] <doctormo> mhall119: You can't set specific key-combos?
[04:18] <mhall119> doctormo: well, not that I've found, not for icons in the launcher
[04:19] <mhall119> i can change the size of the launcher icons, which was a pleasant surprise
[04:20] <mhall119> I think I might grow to like Unity
[04:20] <mhall119> gonna give Xubuntu 11.04 a try first though
[04:22] <doctormo> mhall119: If I ever get a chance to use Unity, I'll let you know if I like it ;-)
[04:24] <mhall119> If you ever get a chance?
[04:24] <doctormo> mhall119: Doesn't work on nvidia at the moment, never has on my machine. It's all very broken.
[04:24] <mhall119> even with proprietary drivers?
[04:25]  * mhall119 loves his intel graphics
[04:25] <doctormo> Well, the nouvou driver shipped gets me to classic mode with no-theme (gnome gray). nouvou experimental 3D gets me to classic mode with the correct theme.
[04:25] <doctormo> The propritary driver turns the computer into a lemon. The bios goes away and the screen stays black, the end.
[04:26] <mhall119> ew
[04:26] <doctormo> System76 machines are awesome! ;-)
[04:26] <mhall119> have you let it sit for a few minutes? It could be at the plymouth stage, which I think nvidia doesn't support yet
[04:27] <mhall119> my kid's desktop does that
[04:27] <doctormo> Yes, it rested for an hour.
[04:27] <mhall119> ah
[04:27] <mhall119> well that's too bad, hopefully the driver situation improved before launch
[04:27] <mhall119> improves
[04:28] <doctormo> I hope so, otherwise it doesn't matter how awesome Unity is, it'll make a bunch of angry .
[04:28] <mhall119> I gotta say, once I got my Scale+Filter compiz plugins working according to my old key and screenbindings, I'm much happier with the lack of bottom panel
[05:51] <nigelb> morning
[07:33] <dpm> good morning all
[07:39] <nigelb> heya
[08:17] <nigelb> hello ara
[08:17] <ara> morning nigelb
[08:44] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <nigelb> hola dholbach
[08:45] <nigelb> w00t 4 more thursdays to the big day
[08:45] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[09:30] <kim0> Morning everyone
[11:33] <daker> kim0, http://twitter.com/ivanka/status/55567693960593408 :D
[11:37] <kim0> daker: also https://twitter.com/#!/omgubuntu/status/55573711717285888 Yaay :)
[12:24] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:38] <duanedesign> nigelb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ParentalControls
[13:58] <jcastro> Technoviking: hah, I can't believe the archives are so controversial
[14:16] <Technoviking> jcastro: I have come to the conculsion, in a large enough population, everything is drama:)
[14:16] <jcastro> also
[14:16] <jcastro> why is there a poll?
[14:16] <Technoviking> I have no idea
[14:21] <jcastro> Technoviking: heh "the ubuntu community won't let me keep my freebsd howtos on their forum!"
[14:24] <kim0> jcastro: you have fbsd howtos :) ?
[14:24] <jcastro> Technoviking: see, and you guys opened up that other OS forum too
[14:25] <jcastro> that just encourages people to think it's ok to post junk
[14:25] <jcastro> kim0: I have an allergic reaction to BSD
[14:25] <jcastro> and any UNIX.
[14:25] <kim0> ah I see
[14:25] <jcastro> solaris actually makes me physically sick
[14:26] <kim0> I mostly can't really stand other unices too, but respect them
[14:26] <kim0> hehee
[14:26] <JFo> jcastro, heh
[14:26] <jcastro> it's hard to respect an OS that doesn't have a working backspace key
[14:26] <kim0> hhee
[14:27] <kim0> the weirdest unix I had to work with .. was SCO something .. remember "skunkware" whatever that means
[14:27] <kim0> I spent 6 hours to understand enough to dd its disk :)
[14:28] <kim0> modern solaris is not that bad though
[14:30] <JanC> I'm sure backspace works fine when it is configured correctly?  ☺
[14:30] <kim0> DEL was the backspace of the days right
[14:31] <kim0> An OS's legacy drags it to death
[14:32] <JanC> UNIX people were (and some still are) used to keyboards with some keys in different locations
[14:32] <JanC> that's why you can still swap Caps Lock & Ctrl too  ;)
[14:32] <jcastro> right
[14:33] <jcastro> typical sun garbage. Lock down the hardware, but then don't set it up to be usable.
[14:33] <jcastro> it's like they half-assed being server side apple
[14:33] <kim0> great description :)
[14:34] <jcastro> walled garbage heap
[14:34] <czajkowski> it's possibly a bit scarey how tidying away a ton of cables and putting cable ties on them is relaxing
[14:34] <jcastro> (sorry if I offend any solaris users out there, it brings out the worst in me)
[14:35] <jcastro> or as I like to say, the BEST in me!
[14:38] <Pici> I'd use solaris over OpenVMS any day.
[14:42] <vish> does anyone else notice that maps.u.c only shows *one* server in the US initially and only on zooming-in, it lights up with a lot of US servers?
[14:44] <JanC> Pici: isn't OpenVMS the securest OS though?  ;)
[14:48] <Technoviking> jcastro: people were posting it Other OS questions anyways
[14:48] <jcastro> right
[14:48] <jcastro> which is why the forums are unfocused
[14:48] <jcastro> and they turn into a rabble rabble like on southpark
[14:54] <JFo> vish, I think it is doing that for each country on the max resolution
[14:54] <JFo> if you zoom to any of them then it expands to show specifics
[14:54] <JFo> I think
[14:54]  * JFo has closed it now
[14:54] <vish> yea, for India too it showed something like 3 and on zooming in it showed more..
[14:54] <JFo> but in my brief twiddling of it
[14:55] <JFo> right
[14:56] <Technoviking> jcastro: this is a web forums and this surprises you how?:)
[14:57] <jcastro> I just want it to suck less
[14:58] <jcastro> instead of "oh you can fix that driver by installing this manually." "oh that broke" "Try Arch!"
[14:58] <JFo> hah
[14:58] <JFo> yeah, those are my favorite</sarcasm>
[14:59] <jcastro> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=80313300
[14:59] <jcastro> I'll bet 90% of those are bad for users.
[14:59] <jcastro> we need a purge! (that goes for the wiki too)
[14:59] <czajkowski> I know
[14:59] <czajkowski> :(
[15:00] <Technoviking> jcastro: then encourge more Ubuntu Developer/Rock Stars to come by, instead of turning their nose up at it
[15:00] <vish> oh bah! 16,991 replies on the conky thread.. is it of any use that way?! ;p
[15:01] <JFo> it is like a bug with 400 comments
[15:01] <jcastro> Technoviking: developers turn their nose at it because a) no one listens
[15:01] <JFo> if that helps the analogy :)
[15:01] <jcastro> b) abuse is tolerated
[15:01] <jcastro> and c) the signal to noise ratio is too low
[15:01] <Technoviking> vish: don't you dish the conky thread:)
[15:02] <vish> JFo: haha! but those bugs are awesome rants.. ;)
[15:02] <vish> Technoviking: maybe its best to break it up like the monthly screenshots threads..
[15:02] <JFo> vish, not to a dev trying to understand the problem
[15:02] <JFo> :)
[15:02] <vish> :)
[15:02] <Technoviking> jcastro: I could argue AskUbuntu is over moderated which has it own problems
[15:03] <jcastro> like what?
[15:03] <jcastro> staying too useful and ontopic?
[15:03] <jcastro> :)
[15:03] <vish> alright, break it up you two! ;p
[15:03] <jcastro> we're not fighting, it's not like he uses solaris
[15:03] <Technoviking> one being that a new user maybe afraid to ask a question
[15:03] <jcastro> plus this isn't about AU, this is about the forums
[15:04] <Technoviking> heh
[15:04] <vish> yea not a fight, but you two are always on about Ask / Forums … but fun to watch though ;)
[15:05] <jcastro> I am not
[15:05] <jcastro> I am on the forums more than you vishy!
[15:05] <jcastro> I just want them to stop sliding in quality
[15:05] <jcastro> because the vibe from the olden days is getting taken over
[15:07] <jcastro> anyway it's not mike's fault
[15:07] <jcastro> he just got stuck being one of the babysitters
[15:08] <jcastro> "hey, most of the information here might be breaking people's computers and making work harder for ubuntu developers, but whew, at least that guy got to keep his FreeNAS howto from 2002 online."
[15:11] <Technoviking> later all, off to work
[15:13]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro
[15:13] <vish> the other day, i was wondering why people spend so much time arguing/counter-arguing on OMG + blogs and wasting time.. then i realised that Ubuntu is like Sports.. people like to talk , cheer and sometimes get into (bar)fights  ;p
[15:14] <vish> sports talk, we know how biased those can be ;)
[15:14] <czajkowski> I stay off OMGUbutu it's trash
[15:17] <vish> heh yea, i guess Forums can go off-topic the same way..
[15:17] <Pici> And IRC...
[15:17] <czajkowski> Pici: at least on irc you can just go /ignore
[15:18] <Pici> czajkowski: Or close my eyes!
[15:18] <jcastro> I like OMG
[15:18] <jcastro> that's just news
[15:29] <popey> czajkowski: harsh!
[15:31] <czajkowski> popey: tis ok I've not got you on /ignore
[15:31] <JanC> well, OMG Ubuntu is news, and for marketing any news is good news  ;)
[15:31] <czajkowski> :)
[15:34] <popey> heh
[15:34] <doctormo> thanks jcastro for letting me know about UDS.
[15:34]  * jcastro nods
[15:37] <popey> indeed, thanks jcastro
[15:45] <Ronnie> ping kim0
[15:45] <kim0> Ronnie: hey
[15:46] <Ronnie> kim0: i see your maps.ubuntu.com is getting attention
[15:46] <Ronnie> http://twitter.com/ivanka/status/55567693960593408
[15:47] <Ronnie> and i have a few questions/notes about it
[15:47] <kim0> Ronnie: well shoot
[15:48] <Ronnie> i see to 'apply' for it, its just visiting the /hit link
[15:48] <kim0> let me find that blog post
[15:48] <kim0> Ronnie: http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2010/08/ubuntu-server-10041-virtual-release.html
[15:49] <Ronnie> i think thats dangerous (the link is already posted on some sites), and this will be visited by searchengine crawlers, and i have clicked it myself
[15:50] <kim0> Ronnie: well it isn't exactly new anymore .. as you can see it was for 10.04.1 server release in 2010 .. Ivanka just breathed some more life in it ;)
[15:50] <kim0> however if you want to modify the way it works .. that'd be lovely
[15:51] <kim0> the source is waiting for ya :)
[15:51] <Ronnie> also a while ago i've written a jquery-maps plugin (for loco directory), which made it very easy to show makers on a map (especially icw django)
[15:51] <kim0> Ronnie: We can have a relaunch of that app with Natty server .. what do you think :)
[15:51] <Ronnie> i even had bigger plans, for maps.ubuntu.com. dont know if the plans will come true...
[15:52] <kim0> Ronnie: Here's the current code https://code.launchpad.net/~kim0/mapuntu/trunk
[15:52] <Ronnie> create a map, and an API, and map all sorts of information on it. Like persons who are using ubuntu, planned events, servers,
[15:52] <kim0> that actually sounds nice!
[15:53] <kim0> Ronnie: and can we have that nice bubbley effect that the mozilla folks did to firefox4 release
[15:53] <Ronnie> but i need some more hands to create such items. Do you want to help with it?
[15:53] <Ronnie> i see you already have some good ideas
[15:53] <Ronnie> are comfortable in django and maps
[15:54] <kim0> well not really in either .. it was a good fight hehe
[15:54] <kim0> but yeah sure .. we can play
[15:54] <kim0> Ronnie: if you'll work on that, I'm sure to help you
[15:54] <Ronnie> oke, great
[15:54] <kim0> Rock n roll
[15:54] <Ronnie> ill see if i can write some spec for my ideas
[15:55] <kim0> Ronnie: my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>just in case I'm not here
[15:55] <kim0> Ronnie: Let's target a quick relaunch for natty
[15:55] <Ronnie> i hope we can make that
[15:55] <kim0> and afterwards see what can be done on a larger scale ..
[15:55] <kim0> sounds like a plan ?
[15:55] <Ronnie> deal!
[15:55] <kim0> deal
[15:55] <kim0> \o/
[15:56] <Ronnie> when im online, you can find me at #ubuntu-locoteams
[15:56] <kim0> cool!
[15:57] <jcastro> kim0: did you do the maps thing?
[15:57] <kim0> jcastro: yep
[15:58] <jcastro> very awesome
[15:58] <kim0> jcastro: it was about the first thing I did :)
[15:58] <jcastro> I was just adding mine earlier today
[15:58] <kim0> woohoo
[15:58] <kim0> :)
[15:58] <jcastro> the logo was close to my place too
[15:58] <jcastro> but not too close
[15:58] <jcastro> which is nice. :)
[15:58] <kim0> hehe
[15:58] <kim0> the free Geo DB is not too accurate
[15:58] <kim0> if we can convince them to give us the commercial one .. it'd be closer
[15:59] <dholbach> kim0, jcastro, dpm: 1m?
[15:59] <jcastro> yeah
[16:00] <kim0> no jono today
[16:00] <kim0> :)
[16:00] <dholbach> "we did the team call already, bye"
[16:00] <jcastro> wait
[16:00] <jcastro> no bacon today?
[16:00] <jcastro> ok, let's get back to work then
[16:00]  * kim0 scratches head
[16:01] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, all set, apart that we're leaderless apparently
[16:01] <dholbach> we can have the call without him and complain about him
[16:01] <jcastro> ok, count me in
[16:01] <dpm> what, like what we do every day?
[16:02] <czajkowski> *grin*
[16:02] <kim0> evil boys mowaahahahaa
[16:03]  * czajkowski just had a brain fart :D
[16:09] <dholbach> is anyone going to text Jono? :)
[16:09] <daker> dholbach, when natty will be released ?
[16:09] <maco> dholbach: why does he need to be texted?
[16:10] <kim0> daker: Apr 28th
[16:10] <daker> ok
[16:10] <dholbach> daker, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule on
[16:10] <dholbach> April 28th
[16:10] <dholbach> maco, because we have a team call in -10 minutes
[16:10] <kim0> beat you
[16:24] <kim0> Would anyone know of a way to customize Ubuntu live CD, by booting it, doing whatever changes needed, then somehow zipping the result into an iso ?!
[16:24] <kim0> I kind of remember reading that, but google is denying
[16:25] <duanedesign> i think their is a wiki page about that....
[16:26]  * duanedesign goes to see
[16:26] <kim0> The info I could find on the wiki, were about modifying dead files
[16:27] <duanedesign> was that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[16:27] <kim0> yeah
[16:32] <duanedesign> kim0: here is one that is a little newer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationMaverick
[16:32] <JanC> you can unpack the image on the iso and run/change things in a chroot
[16:33] <kim0> duanedesign: thanks
[16:33] <kim0> JanC: Can I start X that way
[16:34] <JanC> well, in most cases you have an X server running already then, but you can run X clients
[16:34] <JanC> I think the wiki page explains it somewhere
[16:37] <JanC> in theory it should be possible to do something from the live CD too, I guess
[16:38] <dpm> ok, calling it a day, see you all on Friday!
[17:20] <czajkowski> jcastro: is jono off today ?
[17:20] <jcastro> yeah I think so
[17:21] <jono> czajkowski, I will be in a bit
[17:21] <jono> Collab Summit
[17:21] <czajkowski> jono: so no call today?
[17:21] <jono> czajkowski, unfortunately not
[17:21] <czajkowski> no worries
[17:21] <jono> lets do it next week
[17:21] <jono> thanks!
[17:21] <czajkowski> sure
[17:21] <czajkowski> :)
[17:23] <akgraner> one of these days I want to attend Collab Summit (insert me stamping my foot here)
[17:23] <jcastro> I'm not cool enough to be invited
[17:23] <jono> akgraner, it's really not that interesting
[17:23] <jono> I only go because it is local
[17:24] <jono> jcastro, anyone can go, you just ask for an invite
[17:25] <akgraner> :-)
[17:26] <akgraner> jcastro, you are already cool without collab summit (follow that with the sound of Pete calling me cheesy)
[17:27] <jcastro> akgraner: I don't need foundations to tell me I'm cool
[17:27] <akgraner> hehe
[17:28] <jcastro> is this the one where they have panels on "the linux desktop"
[17:32] <akgraner> dunno - here's this year's schedule :-) http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/schedule
[17:32] <akgraner> oh speaking of desktops...GNOME 3.0 looks sharp...
[17:34] <akgraner> jcastro, check this video out which btw is debuting at Collab Summit - "Story of Linux"  http://bit.ly/gaY0Zp
[17:35] <jcastro> oh I've seen these before
[17:35] <Ronnie> kim0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mapuntu/API
[17:35] <jcastro> cute
[17:37] <kim0> Ronnie: interesting stuff
[17:38] <Ronnie> better markup now ^
[17:39] <Ronnie> im not sure about the content, should we allow remote content (iframe) and should we allow HTML ?
[17:39] <Ronnie> what about links
[17:40] <Technoviking> popey: ping
[17:40] <popey> Technoviking: pong
[17:41] <Technoviking> popey: have you tried the natty beta CD for Mac? going to try to get natty working on my MPB again
[17:42] <popey> no
[17:42] <popey> or yes
[17:42] <popey> no
[17:42] <popey> yes, definitely, no
[17:42] <popey> I have natty and lucid on my mbp
[17:42] <kim0> Ronnie: Throw what you have on that page .. and I'll check it out once back .. need to go out in a few mins. Also an intro section with high level goals would help
[17:43] <Ronnie> ill do kim0
[17:43] <Technoviking> Going to try to tri-boot it :)
[17:43] <popey> i am tri-booting mine
[17:43] <popey> I chucked a 1TB disk in it
[17:43] <dholbach> have a great evening everyone - see you tomorrow
[17:43] <Technoviking> dholbach: night
[17:43] <popey> have fun dholbach
[17:43] <Technoviking> party like you rolled 18/99:)
[17:44] <dholbach> bye Technoviking, bye popey
[17:44] <JFo> goodnight dholbach
[17:44] <JFo> :)
[17:44] <dholbach> bye JFo
[17:46] <Technoviking> well.. waiting for crap and fan to meet
[17:47] <pleia2> indeed
[18:04] <jcastro> hey JFo
[18:04] <jcastro> JFo: is the bass part of the touring package?
[18:04] <jcastro> because I have to put my basses in storage for a year
[18:04] <jcastro> so maybe I should drop it off with the graners on my way to florida if the team needs a bass
[18:17] <akgraner> jcastro, we can hang on to it for ya
[18:23] <JFo> jcastro, yessir
[18:23] <JFo> odd that xchat didn't notify me that I was pinged
[18:24] <JFo> dude, I will store your bass for you if you like
[18:24] <JFo> won't cost you anything
[18:25] <akgraner> yeah when I upgraded xchat doesn't blink at me anymore...
[18:27] <JFo> odd though, it was working a bit ago
[18:27] <JFo> or so I thought
[18:42] <akgraner> wow I haven't updated in a couple days...lots of updates it seems
[18:49] <doctormo> Hey akgraner
[18:50]  * doctormo hugs akgraner for no reason
[18:51] <akgraner> doctormo, aww thanks!
[19:01] <IdleOne> Not sure where to ask this but can someone point me to Ubuntu countdown timer/banner for 11.04?
[19:05] <vish> IdleOne: not yet selected, should be ready by this week
[19:05] <IdleOne> vish thank you
[19:05] <Pici> IdleOne: Presumably it will be here when its done: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
[19:06] <IdleOne> thanks again
[19:36] <nigelb> jcastro: poke?
[19:36] <jcastro> hi
[19:36] <nigelb> mind a PM?
[19:38] <cjohnston> Say no jcastro !
[19:38] <cjohnston> lol
[19:41] <nigelb> haha
[20:23] <tsimpson> so um, anyone on the CC available for a quick chat? :)
[20:42] <Technoviking> tsimpson: hello?
[20:42] <Technoviking> tsimpson: what is up?
[20:42] <tsimpson> Technoviking: hey, mind if I /msg?
[20:43] <Technoviking> tsimpson: not at all
[20:44] <pleia2> tsimpson: oops, just followed up in PM with maco
[20:44] <pleia2> (probably the same thing)
[20:44] <maco> pleia2: i pasted what you said to him
[20:44] <maco> yes it is
[20:44] <pleia2> thanks :)
[20:45] <maco> also to geser, who also agrees
[20:45] <tsimpson> just like waiting for a bus...
[20:45] <maco> tsimpson: they all show up at once?
[20:45] <nigelb> haha
[20:45] <tsimpson> maco: yep, then you start dropping your change all around you
[20:53] <Technoviking> heh
[21:08] <vish> haha! "Mark Shuttleworth has been in space but nobody is on more planets than Vuntz"
[21:08] <nigelb> hehe
[21:10] <JanC> lol
[21:11] <sense> vish: LOL
[21:11] <jcastro> nigelb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA
[21:11] <jcastro> nigelb: Can you add unity Q+A to the classroom stuff?
[21:11]  * nigelb hugs jcastro
[21:11] <jcastro> this one will be popular. :)
[21:11] <nigelb> jcastro: yup, doing right now
[21:12] <Pendulum> jcastro: you're awesome :)
[21:12] <nigelb> jcastro: isn't that in a few ?
[21:14] <nigelb> jcastro: erm, do you mean 6th or 7th? :)
[21:14] <jcastro> whatever day friday is
[21:14] <jcastro> oh
[21:14] <jcastro> lol
[21:15] <nigelb> bah, that's 8th :P
[21:15] <nigelb> wait, you mean thursday?
[21:16] <jcastro> no
[21:16] <jcastro> I mean friday
[21:16] <jcastro> the 8th
[21:16] <jcastro> oh dude, TODAY is the sixth
[21:16] <jcastro> i see what I did there
[21:16] <mhall119> Pendulum: congrats on the membership board position
[21:16] <nigelb> jcastro: Its 1:45 am, here on 7th. :P
[21:16] <nigelb> I hate timezones
[21:17] <nigelb> mhall119: I;m not sure if our official predictor should be on the board :p
[21:17] <Pendulum> mhall119: thanks
[21:17] <mhall119> nigelb: official predictor?
[21:17] <nigelb> mhall119: yes, she's so far predicted most membership board outcomes correctly I belive :)
[21:18] <nigelb> Pendulum: Congrats! I pinged you on the wrong channel yesterday.  I blame sleep :)
[21:18] <mhall119> btw, I initially read they as "official predator"
[21:18] <nigelb> hahaah
[21:18] <mhall119> and I thought "Gee, she always seemed so nice"
[21:18] <Pendulum> nigelb: I saw that
[21:18] <nigelb> mhall119: hahahaha
[21:18] <nigelb> Pendulum: :)
[21:19] <Pendulum> mhall119: well, I've been threatening the children at the daycare next door because they're being screamy and my neck and head are killing me this afternoon, but generally I am nice :P
[21:19] <nigelb> rofl
[21:20] <nigelb> Pendulum: Can I volunteer you for helper tomorrow?
[21:20] <nigelb> My parents are in town and I'm hardly home till 12 am :|
[21:22] <nigelb> jcastro: Please confirm http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/classroom.html
[21:23] <maco> nigelb: clearly she shares a wavelength with the rest of us
[21:23] <maco> and understands the expectations well :P
[21:23] <nigelb> maco: Yes!
[21:24] <jcastro> nigelb: one sec
[21:24] <nigelb> lol, at title of latest planet post
[21:24] <jcastro> nigelb: ok it just needs to not clash with the release team meeting
[21:24] <jcastro> what calendar is that on?
[21:25] <nigelb> jcastro: learning events calender
[21:25] <nigelb> jcastro: you have access, you can move the time around
[21:26] <maco> If you ever go to Bangalore, don't forget to try some extreme sports like taking a cab or crossing the road.  To bring inner peace to Bangalore :-P
[21:29] <nigelb> hahaha
[21:29] <nigelb> I did have cows on the road today
[21:31] <jcastro> nigelb: seems 30 minutes off from the fridge calendar
[21:31] <jcastro> nigelb: oh no wait
[21:31] <jcastro> totally fine!
[21:31] <jcastro> ok
[21:31] <nigelb> :)
[21:32] <nigelb> jcastro: I wont be around tomorrow, but you can poke penny or lyz for help during the session.
[21:32] <jcastro> today is wednesday
[21:33] <nigelb> yeah
[21:33] <nigelb> well, for you.
[21:33] <nigelb> Its thursday for me already ;)
[21:33] <doctormo> I could have sworn it was a Friday for me.
[21:35] <nigelb> ok, bedtime.  Night all.
[23:03] <Pendulum> does anyone have paultag's phone number and want to send him a text telling him that I say his being at the game better break the Red Sox's losing streak?
[23:04] <AlanBell> DM him on twitter, that would probably send a text
[23:06] <nhandler> Pendulum: I'll text him that for you
[23:07] <Pendulum> nhandler: awesome :)
[23:07] <nhandler> Pendulum: Sent
[23:08] <jcastro> nhandler: can you also text "jcastro says your state sucks."
[23:10] <nhandler> jcastro: Yeah
[23:11] <Pendulum> nhandler: I owe you one :)
[23:11] <nhandler> jcastro: Sent
[23:35] <akgraner> jcastro, I can't remember is recordmydesktop the best/easiest way to do "howto" videos?
[23:47] <JanC> pff, this is so bad: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/how-to-add-quicklists-for-opera-in-unity/   :-(
[23:48] <AlanBell> akgraner: I used gtk-recordmydesktop and uploaded to blip.tv for the video on http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/
[23:48] <JanC> telling peopel to run nautilus & gedit as root when the *right* way to do that doesn't require any root privileges...
[23:49] <akgraner> AlanBell, thanks!  I have a series of "howtos" I have to do..do looking for an easy/professional way to get them done...


[00:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: hdhomerun-config-gui (artful-proposed/universe) [20161117-0ubuntu2 => 20161117-0ubuntu3] (mythbuntu)
[00:05] <valorie> c'mon notifications!
[00:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kodi-pvr-hdhomerun (artful-proposed/universe) [2.4.2+git20160820-2 => 2.4.2+git20160820-2build1] (no packageset)
[00:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kodi-pvr-hdhomerun [source] (artful-proposed) [2.4.2+git20160820-2build1]
[01:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fcitx-qimpanel (artful-proposed/universe) [2.1.2-2 => 2.1.2-3] (input-methods, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[01:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted enigmail [sync] (artful-proposed) [2:<IP_ADDRESS>-2]
[01:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted hdhomerun-config-gui [source] (artful-proposed) [20161117-0ubuntu3]
[01:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openjpeg2 [sync] (artful-proposed) [2.2.0-1]
[01:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sane-backends-extras [sync] (artful-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[01:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fcitx-qimpanel [sync] (artful-proposed) [2.1.2-3]
[01:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtermwidget [sync] (artful-proposed) [0.7.1-7]
[01:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted juffed [sync] (artful-proposed) [0.10-85-g5ba17f9-14]
[01:57] <tsimonq2> \o/
[02:25] <valorie> where the heck are the notifications and announcements?
[02:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[02:26] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[02:26] <valorie> magick
[02:26] <krytarik> hahaha
[02:26] <valorie> oh, updated
[02:26] <valorie> um
[03:17] <Ukikie> Looks like the undesired notification-daemon is still on every ISO...
[03:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[03:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[03:41] <valorie> huh
[04:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[04:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[04:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[04:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base i386 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[04:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[04:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[05:11] <ginggs> would someone please bump 'force-badtest r-bioc-annotationhub/2.8.1-1build1' in adconrad's hints?
[05:14] <ginggs> and 'force-badtest r-cran-surveillance/1.13.0-1build1' in vorlon's hints
[05:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[05:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[06:50] <acheronuk> ok. beta 2 images not really updated. really the daily iso, and someone needs to turn that channel notification off again until final release spins?
[06:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[06:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server arm64 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[06:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server i386 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[06:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server ppc64el [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[06:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server s390x [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi2 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ca-certificates-java (artful-proposed/main) [20170531+nmu1 => 20170531+nmu1ubuntu1] (core)
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been updated (20170929)
[07:56] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, slangasek, doko  ^^^ this should fix the armhf java installation failure (I  uploaded in debian deferred/1 queue, will sync if it reaches unstable)
[08:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: wxwidgets3.0 (artful-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg2-1] (kubuntu) (sync)
[08:05] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, ^^^ your wx free of webview
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-cran-dplyr (artful-proposed/universe) [0.5.0-1ubuntu3 => 0.5.0-1ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-dplyr [source] (artful-proposed) [0.5.0-1ubuntu4]
[12:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: console-setup (artful-proposed/main) [1.166ubuntu5 => 1.166ubuntu6] (core)
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (artful-proposed) [17.10.8]
[13:07] <tjaalton> juliank: hi, did you upload apt to zesty-proposed?
[13:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-meta [source] (artful-proposed) [1.402]
[13:08] <juliank> tjaalton: Yes, I did. (It's a sync with stretch, but a local one for sru-review diffing)
[13:09] <tjaalton> juliank: well the version string should have ~17.04.1 in it, like the previous upload
[13:09] <tjaalton> and some bugs don't seem to have the usual sru header
[13:10] <tjaalton> then again xenial doesn't
[13:10] <juliank> tjaalton: As I wrote, the goal was to sync it to stretch and avoid having diverging version numbers. It's literally to the point where it can syncpackage'd
[13:10] <tjaalton> okay
[13:10] <juliank> The previous upload needed ~17.04.1 because it had the version in artful too
[13:10] <tjaalton> right
[13:11] <juliank> tjaalton: I think one bug might be missing the SRU headers, do you know which ones?
[13:11] <tjaalton> 1690980, though it's almost good as-is
[13:12] <juliank> tjaalton: It's a bit difficult because it will have SRUs for both apt and unattended-upgrades.
[13:12] <tjaalton> I guess that's fine
[13:14] <juliank> tjaalton: I'll add some details
[13:14] <tjaalton> meaning that you can add package specific details there, yeah
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apt [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.4.8]
[13:15] <juliank> tjaalton: Should be good now
[13:17] <juliank> Also fixed up the status meta data for xenial in the bug to  "In Progress" as it should be (it was only triaged)
[13:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apt [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.2.25]
[13:18] <tjaalton> and now fix committed ;)
[13:19] <juliank> tjaalton: thx
[13:19] <juliank> I still gotta send in the patch I have for syncpackage that does not strip signatures from .dsc files, which is kind of pointless for me since I signed the .dsc once already :D
[13:19] <juliank> Now I can syncpackage path-to-stretch.dsc when needed, yay!
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ca-certificates-java [source] (artful-proposed) [20170531+nmu1ubuntu1]
[13:30] <tjaalton> neat..
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: 37 entries have been added, updated or disabled
[13:57] <slangasek> tdaitx: I'd like you to confirm you're happy with LocutusOfBorg's ca-certificate upload currently in the queue, since you were working on this area
[13:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-themes (artful-proposed/main) [16.10+17.10.20170925-0ubuntu1 => 16.10+17.10.20170929-0ubuntu1] (core)
[14:02] <mdeslaur> slangasek: which queue? (ca-certificates)
[14:02] <tdaitx> slangasek, could you point me to that?
[14:03] <tdaitx> I already synced with doko about it, I added the right ca-certificate-java fix in debian #874434
[14:03] <doko> Laney: release team follow-up in ballroom
[14:03] <mdeslaur> oh, ca-certificate-java, nm
[14:04] <tdaitx> and sent him an updated fix for openjdk-8
[14:04] <doko> mdeslaur, slangasek: rejected, and working on it with tdaitx
[14:04] <slangasek> mdeslaur, tdaitx: ah, already rejected? ok :)
[14:04] <tdaitx> k, tks doko
[14:05] <doko> apw: release team follow-up in ballroom
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-software (artful-proposed/main) [3.26.0-0ubuntu2 => 3.26.0-0ubuntu3] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: juju-core (xenial-proposed/main) [2.0.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.2.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-server)
[15:30] <balloons> slangasek, tyhicks, ^^ juju core has been uploaded. Can you accept into proposed? We had to vendorize x/crypto, but everything else still builds. We embedded go-1.8 to build as discussed
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-launchpadlib (artful-proposed/main) [1.10.4-1 => 1.10.5-1] (core) (sync)
[16:33] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, the "fix" has been uploaded in Debian, as said on the bug reports, now java is installable again everywhere, and stuff has been given back successfully in armhf (Debian)
[16:33] <LocutusOfBorg> if you have a better one, as you wish
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> tdaitx, just please make sure it reaches artful quickly if possible, some packages/transitions are waiting for such armhf fix
[16:35] <tdaitx> LocutusOfBorg, yeah, I know, I sent the right fix to debian yesterday, doko should upload that soon and then sync it to ubuntu
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm I don't find such patch :/
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure how I missed it
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> even in spam I didn't get the email :/
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> seems indeed a better approach thanks
[17:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: altermime (artful-proposed/universe) [0.3.10-8 => 0.3.10-9] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted altermime [sync] (artful-proposed) [0.3.10-9]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: foomatic-filters (artful-proposed/universe) [4.0.17-9 => 4.0.17-10] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted foomatic-filters [sync] (artful-proposed) [4.0.17-10]
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nss (artful-proposed/main) [2:3.32-1ubuntu2 => 2:3.32-1ubuntu3] (core)
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-py (artful-proposed/universe) [1.4.34-2ubuntu1 => 1.4.34-3] (kubuntu) (sync)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calc-stats (artful-proposed/universe) [1.4-0ubuntu1 => 1.5-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted calc-stats [source] (artful-proposed) [1.5-0ubuntu1]
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: calc-stats [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [1.5-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: autobahn-cpp (artful-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-2 => 0.2.1-2.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted autobahn-cpp [sync] (artful-proposed) [0.2.1-2.1]
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adwaita-icon-theme (artful-proposed/main) [3.26.0-0ubuntu1 => 3.26.0-0ubuntu2] (core)
[19:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-calculator (artful-proposed/main) [1:3.25.91-0ubuntu1 => 1:3.25.91-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[19:09] <acheronuk> release team: some of the builds on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/382/builds have been updated to the daily iso spin from today
[19:09] <acheronuk> I guess this is an error
[19:10] <acheronuk> our actual beta 2 remains untouched: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/artful/beta-2/
[19:22] <valorie> to add to that -- I got emails saying that they needed testing
[19:23] <valorie> so some switch didn't get flipped to Off
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evince (xenial-proposed/main) [3.18.2-1ubuntu4.1 => 3.18.2-1ubuntu4.2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[19:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: horizon (zesty-proposed/main) [3:11.0.3-0ubuntu2 => 3:11.0.3-0ubuntu3] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[19:39] <coreycb> bdmurray: hi, we have a high priority bug fix for horizon in zesty that I just uploaded. would we be able to promote that to zesty-proposed on top of 3:11.0.3-0ubuntu2 and we'll test both SRUs together?
[19:58] <bdmurray> coreycb: probably, looking now
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lsvpd (artful-proposed/main) [1.7.8-0ubuntu1 => 1.7.8-0ubuntu2] (core)
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lsvpd [source] (artful-proposed) [1.7.8-0ubuntu2]
[20:01] <bdmurray> coreycb: The regression potential seems to have been cut off but I'll accept it anyway.
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted horizon [source] (zesty-proposed) [3:11.0.3-0ubuntu3]
[20:04] <coreycb> bdmurray: thanks very much, i've updated the regression potential
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (artful-proposed/main) [2.462 => 2.463] (desktop-core)
[21:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (artful-proposed) [2.463]
[22:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock (artful-proposed/universe) [60-1 => 61-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[22:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock [sync] (artful-proposed) [61-1]


[05:51] <sunweaver> MATE 1.12 will soon arrive in Ubuntu 16.04... http://sunweavers.net/blog/node/30
[06:41] <pitti> Good morning, and happy new year!
[07:21] <pitti> cjwatson, Laney: I had http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#perl be a "valid candidate" several times over the holidays, but update_output.txt was full of alleged uninstallability; I tried in a -proposed chroot and it all worked
[07:22] <pitti> cjwatson, Laney: may it be that britney objects to the removal of perl-modules (replaced by perl-modules-5.22), and this needs hinting?
[08:06] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <dholbach> @pilot in
[09:37] <xnox> doko, happy new year! The boost1.54 trusty, arm64 build log has this in it:
[09:37] <xnox> virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory
[09:37] <xnox> in a few targets. maybe we should disable parallel build on arm64 for it?
[09:38] <xnox> Logan, i was off until 2016, hence the _2016 nick ;-)
[09:39] <xnox> spinxsearch delta could be moved to debian now, now that it is maintained no? plus something rather uses sphinxsearch. possibly like the location auto-identification webapp. might need to be tested.
[09:52] <didrocks> cjwatson: hey! happy new year. Once you have time to have a look: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14398330/ (this is why grub isn't themed anymore in xenial). Tell me if you prefer a formal bug report
[10:31] <jamespage> cjwatson, hey - ok if I pickup your libqb merge? just having a run through HA related bits for 16.04
[10:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi folks!
[10:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> can anybody please retry this build? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dspdfviewer/1.14-1/+build/8407197
[10:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> I presume it was failing due to some toolchain problem
[10:56] <LocutusOfBorg1> pitti, welcome back! to be nitpicking, you sponsored more than 12 packages to me :) Just you didn't look to this link I guess https://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsoree=LocutusOfBorg&sponsoree_search=name
[10:56] <LocutusOfBorg1> but who cares :)
[10:56] <LocutusOfBorg1> welcome back
[10:57] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: ah indeed, so I was missing https://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=Martin+Pitt&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=LocutusOfBorg&sponsoree_search=name
[10:57] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: happy new year too!
[10:58] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: build retried
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks! and thanks dholbach for the sync :)
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg1> it is nice to have you all back
[11:11] <rbasak> doko: are you back today? About bug 1527865. Disabling LLDB entirely for i386 seems better to me than total FTBFS - at least an incremental improvement. And it's reported fixed on 3.8 so shouldn't have any ongoing maintenance burden. So are you happy for me to sponsor LocutusOfBorg1's comment 7 debdiff?
[11:12] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg1: have you build tested that in a PPA, please?
[11:12] <jtaylor> will 16.04 still get glibc 2.22?
[11:12] <jtaylor> I'd love to have libmvec available in the LTS
[11:13] <LocutusOfBorg1> rbasak, I had, but I deleted due to space issues
[11:13] <LocutusOfBorg1> well, testing something disabled is difficult
[11:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+build/8743215
[11:14] <rbasak> OK. As long as it builds (and doesn't regress builds on other archs), I'm happy with that debdiff.
[11:15] <rbasak> I trust that your debdiff shouldn't regress any other archs in any way, except for latent bugs which for a development release I think is OK to risk on balance.
[11:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> it  should affect only i386, if this is what you care
[11:16] <rbasak> right.
[11:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> BTW if 3.8 will be the default fox xenial, we can also don't care too much
[11:16] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg1: maybe ask for more PPA space BTW? I don't know what Launchpad's policies are on this, but as you are helping fix LLVM I think that would be a fair request.
[11:17] <rbasak> don't care too much> this also paves the way for an SRU to 15.10 to do the same thing, if you're interested in driving that?
[11:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> rbasak, the problem has been that I uploaded 6 llvm in a row, not sure how long the space of the previous one is freeded because of superceeded sources
[11:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> sure rbasak why not
[11:18] <rbasak> 6 llvm in a row> perfectly reasonable if you're working on fixing llvm :)
[11:24] <LocutusOfBorg1> rbasak, yes, but I guess the resources aren't freeded as soon as a new one is uploaded, so you need 4 times the space
[11:25] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg1: I'm suggesting that you ask for 4 times the space :)
[11:25] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg1: I appreciate you helping with this, and I don't want to see you inconvenienced.
[11:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> rbasak, actually I did the other builds on another ppa with more space https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/costamagnagianfranco-ppa/+builds?build_state=built
[11:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[11:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> but I'm asking some more space
[11:41] <cjwatson> pitti: No, that's just a binary package.  More likely the autohint is missing some subset of the sources required for the transition ...
[11:42] <cjwatson> didrocks: thanks, will apply that or something similar once I get my feet under me :)
[11:43] <cjwatson> jamespage: libqb> no problem
[11:43] <jamespage> cjwatson, ta
[11:43] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, can that be added manually somehow?
[11:44] <pitti> cjwatson: we have an alpha-1 blocker ATM anyway, but that should be gone by tomorrow, and then I guess we should finish this
[11:44] <cjwatson> didrocks: shouldn't we try both paths for the sake of partial upgrades?
[11:44] <cjwatson> pitti: well, it relies on working out where the problem is first ;-)
[11:59] <jamespage> doko, xnox: good morning - how do we feel about pdf doc generation in Ubuntu main using fop? its currently broken (impacting on the s390 port for xmlstarlet which is blocking ceph migration) due to mismatching xmlgraphics - I've looked at merging fop 2.0 from debian, but it has a un-avoidable dependency onto something that's going to try to pull maven into main
[12:00] <jamespage> there are a handful of packages in main that use fop for pdf generation
[12:00] <xnox> aaaaaah =) jamespage, happy new year to you too! =)
[12:00] <jamespage> xnox, happy new year!
[12:00] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: PDF generation?  I'm having flashbacks... :p
[12:01] <jamespage> erlang, x11proto-core and xorg-docs BD on fop for this purpose
[12:01] <jamespage> and we have two reverse-recommends that could be dropped to suggests
[12:02] <jamespage> xmlto and libbatik-java
[12:02] <jamespage> vs ~160 package MIR for maven...
[12:02] <jamespage> I'm not sure why I've not just done this already...
[12:05] <xnox> jamespage, i'm a bit slow. what are you proposing? demoting fop to universe?
[12:05] <xnox> + sync new fop?
[12:05] <jamespage> xnox, yeah
[12:05] <jamespage> and a small delta on 5 packages to support that
[12:07] <xnox> jamespage, and then what? xmlto, erlang, xorg end up without docs?
[12:08] <jamespage> xnox, they end up without PDF docs - they still get htmls ones...
[12:10] <doko> jamespage, is fop the only thing pulling maven?
[12:10] <jamespage> doko, there are a few other deltas across main packages to avoid that right now
[12:11] <xnox> it seems to me that over the years, all that jamespage does is constantly avoid maven. when will the day come that we will not be able to avoid maven?
[12:11] <xnox> and has the delta of keeping maven away, is really worth maintaining?
[12:12]  * xnox is sure MIR team will love 160+ packages to review =)
[12:13] <rbasak> slangasek: mariadb-10.0 FTBFS on s390x (only). It's in universe and looked after in Ubuntu by the Debian maintainer, in sync with Debian and doesn't FTBFS on Debian buildds.
[12:13] <rbasak> slangasek: can you suggest how he should approach fixing this, please?
[12:13] <rbasak> I wonder if it's an environment issue.
[12:14] <rbasak> I see things like "InnoDB: Error: pthread_create returned 11" in some of the test failures.
[12:14] <xnox> rbasak, i can look into that. we have toolchain differences from debian on s390x, fyi
[12:14] <rbasak> xnox: I'd appreciate that, thanks. You can find otto in #debian-mysql on OFTC if you need him.
[12:15] <xnox> rbasak, but, mariadb-10.0 is ftbfs in xenial-release too on s390x, thus why would it matter? is it blocking something from being installable?
[12:15] <jamespage> xnox, doko: I'm not sure we have the resources to deal with the MIR and subsequent support overheads
[12:15]  * jamespage certainly spends alot less time of java bits these days...
[12:16] <rbasak> xnox: apparently it once succeeded, so the failure blocks proposed-migration: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mariadb-10.0/10.0.22-4/+build/8448317
[12:16] <tumbleweed> do we document anything about our s390x port anywhere? I don't ever recall it even being announced
[12:17] <xnox> rbasak, it means there is NBS in proposed, and one should ask release team, to decruft mariadb-10.0 on s390x, in proposed =)
[12:17] <didrocks> cjwatson: yeah, it can be changed to do dual path detection, that makes sense, I wasn't in favor of adding a Breaks: against plymouth << path_change_version, but dual path sounds good. Want me to do it?
[12:17] <rbasak> xnox: I'd be fine with that, too, if that's acceptable.
[12:18] <xnox> rbasak, however, other things may have ended up building against it already. let me check.
[12:22] <cjwatson> didrocks: yeah, if you have time, please
[12:22] <didrocks> cjwatson: sure (will finish some other tasks first and will do)
[12:24] <rbasak> xnox: thank you for the help. Is it OK to point otto directly to you if in future he needs any more assistance with s390x for mariadb-10.0 in Ubuntu?
[12:26] <xnox> rbasak, yes.
[12:27] <xnox> rbasak, all things s390x i should be able to help with.
[12:29] <doko> jamespage, xnox: basically agrred, but if we come to a point where it makes more effort to keep things out of main ... we have to keep the component mismatches clear, and this one is unresolved now for more than two months ...
[12:32] <jamespage> doko, huh - the one blocking component mismatches is not the one I'm talking about either...
[12:32] <doko> jamespage, rbasak: ok, and who is supposed to fix this one?
[12:37] <didrocks> cjwatson: I just went for the easy solution (no need to use a for loop or anything else, rather added a deprecation note): http://paste.ubuntu.com/14399150/
[12:40] <cjwatson> didrocks: pushed to git, thanks
[12:40] <didrocks> thanks :)
[12:40] <cjwatson> doko: some of this should simplify once libbusiness-isbn-perl manages to be promoted
[12:41] <cjwatson> er, moved to release, that is
[12:50] <rbasak> doko: which one? jamespage's question or my question?
[13:05] <xnox> yeah, i made two uploads. let's see if they will build =)
[13:05]  * xnox goes to grab more coffee
[13:13] <doko> dholbach, please upload the boost1.58 mpi source package too when uploading boost1.58
[13:13] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1: ^ do you know about this?
[13:18] <Odd_Bloke> doko: hallyn: One of our partners is asking us about qemu 2.5. I notice that it has landed in stretch and sid; do you have any plans to get it merged for xenial?
[13:22] <LocutusOfBorg1> dholbach, what exactly?
[13:23] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1: what doko said
[13:23] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1: I uploaded your boost1.58 merge
[13:23] <LocutusOfBorg1> oh I see
[13:23] <LocutusOfBorg1> so next time just a plain sync?
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg1> do you want an ubuntu2 with the patch reverted? so we enable it right now?
[13:25] <dholbach> doko: ^ can you maybe explain?
[13:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> now the merge is done, so sync is not possible anymore
[13:30] <doko> dholbach, a sync would end up in dep-wait. the mpi boost has to have the very same version number
[13:31] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1: ^
[13:33] <doko> Odd_Bloke, I'm not a qemu stakeholder, better ask hallyn about it
[13:34] <Odd_Bloke> doko: Ack; just saw your name on the last merge so thought I'd check in with you. :)
[13:37] <dholbach> @pilot out
[14:13] <xnox> doko, are there ftbfs results somewhere I can start looking at?
[14:23] <doko> xnox, http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20151218.1-xenial-baseline-xenial.html (yes, need to announce that)
[14:23] <xnox> doko, tah.
[14:36] <mitya57> doko, there are some failures without logs, ie https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20151218.1-xenial-baseline/+build/8562576
[14:36] <LocutusOfBorg1> doko, mpi-defaults is the same as debian I see
[14:36] <LocutusOfBorg1> so dholbach can sync the package then?
[14:44] <doko> LocutusOfBorg1, no, you don't understand
[14:47] <doko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boost-mpi-source1.58 needs an update
[14:48] <doko> mitya57, given back. I surely can give back these one more time, but then you don't have *any* build logs
[14:55] <dasjoe> cjwatson: I couldn't find any info about whether it's acceptable to send "git request-pull" formatted mails to Debian's bugtracker, so I hope the mail is useful to you
[14:57] <mterry> slangasek, do you mind subscribing foundations to libtest-mockmodule-perl bugs (for MIR bug 1529744).  Happy 2016, btw :)
[14:58] <cjwatson> dasjoe: it's not particularly helpful, but I can always ignore it ...
[14:58] <dasjoe> cjwatson: hah, okay
[14:58] <cjwatson> dasjoe: (I'm going to have to apply things in a different way than you're trying to do)
[14:59] <dasjoe> cjwatson: right, sorry for the noise, then :)
[15:19] <bobbyz> Hi guys.  Does anyone know how the debian-cd_info.tar.gz file is built (e.g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/)?  The contents of that file are extracted and used to generate the boot files for the ubuntu live CD as part of the tools/boot/*/boot-* scripts in the lp:~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu project.  However, I can't find the build scripts that put together this
[15:19] <bobbyz>  debian-cd_info.tar.gz  file
[15:20] <cjwatson> they're in the debian-installer source package
[15:20] <bobbyz> cjwatson thanks!  I'll take a look there
[15:21] <smoser> infinity, is there anything i can do to help move hwe-w installer kernels into -updates ?
[15:22] <smoser> bug 1511497 . I can test and post results of a amd64 install if you'd like on that bug or anywhere else.
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> xnox, I've just seen your commit in the Ubuntu MATE seeds - Drop NBS gnome-control-center-shared-data.
[15:33] <flexiondotorg> What does NBS mean? And is there something replace gnome-control-center-shared-data?
[15:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> doko, I admit I'm lost, so drop the boost-mpi-source1.58 and sync boost-1.58 is fine? why did you split it?
[15:34] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NBS
[15:34] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: probably to keep mpi in universe, as boost itself is in main?
[15:35] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, xnox It would seem I just need unity-control-center-faces now :-)
[15:36] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg1, no no no no.
[15:36] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, Thanks for the learning :-)
[15:36] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg1, mpi is in universe.
[15:37] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg1, that's why we have each boost split into two source packages - one to build most of boost, in main. and another one in universe to build mpi portions.
[15:37] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg1, and there is loads of logic in debian/rules to update -mpi split package.
[15:38] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg1, if you sync boost, it will never build.
[15:38] <xnox> flexiondotorg, oh, really.
[15:38] <xnox> flexiondotorg, =) well, please fix that up. sorry about it, I didn't really get what the #Faces comment meant =)))))
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> xnox, Yeah, I just had gnome-control-center-shared-data in UBuntu MATE for faces.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Already push updated seeds for Ubuntu MATE :-)
[15:41] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1: I think both source packages need to be updated and have the same versions and everything (we have it because of the main/universe split)
[15:42] <xnox> dholbach, correct =)
[15:58] <TJ-> Anyone available to consider this improvement to cryptsetup/initramfs-tools key-file integration? bug 1494851
[16:21] <infinity> smoser: Some verification on LP: #1524366 would be helpful.  I was going to run some test installs today on a couple of arches, but if you want to do x86 for me while I do PPC, that would be lovely.
[16:22] <smoser> infinity, sweet. i was hoping you'd point me at your bug
[16:22] <smoser> thanks. i'm' in process of doingv amd64 and will do i386 for fun
[16:26] <infinity> smoser: Ta.
[17:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> ack xnox :) thanks a lot!
[17:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> wilco
[17:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> seems so easy then, sorry I didn't see the target mismatch
[17:18] <slangasek> mterry: done
[17:19] <mterry> slangasek, cheers!
[17:19] <slangasek> hallyn: did you still have questions about pam-auth-update?
[17:33] <hallyn> slangasek: nope, thx
[18:06] <mapreri> now, why can't I change lp #1306960 (in pencil2d) back to in progress...
[18:07] <mapreri> does it need ~ubuntu-bugcontrol superpowers that too?
[18:16] <mitya57> mapreri, I've just done it
[18:17] <mapreri> mitya57: thanks.
[18:17] <mitya57> I think only bugcontrol can reopen bugs, yes
[18:17] <mapreri> I should probably stop wasting everybody's time and get my motu hat too, umpf
[18:20] <mitya57> ++!
[18:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> cjwatson, stupid feature request (stupid to say, not to implement, sorry for that)
[18:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> e.g.
[18:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gambas3/+bug/1530949
[18:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> build uploading on ppa:costamagnagianfranco/locutusofborg-ppa
[18:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> I would really appreciate (maybe my sponsors too) something that converts ppa:blah/blah2
[18:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> into https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/
[18:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> or something similar :)
[18:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> an a href would be awesome
[18:55] <lamont> what did I just change by freshening xenial, that alt-a is now getting eaten by something instead of passed through to gnome-term and therefore irssi
[18:56] <lamont> ah, nm
[18:56] <tarpman> LocutusOfBorg1: maybe not exactly what you want, but there's http://pad.lv/ppa/costamagnagianfranco/locutusofborg-ppa
[18:57] <LocutusOfBorg1> tarpman, sure, it is already really nnice
[18:57] <LocutusOfBorg1> maybe the regex is easy to implemtn
[18:57] <sarnold> tarpman: oh, nice, that ought to be amenable to a firefox search thingy..
[18:57]  * tarpman <3 pad.lv
[19:07] <stgraber> infinity: dmb meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:45] <doko> why are the linux autopkg tests still marked as fail?
[19:48] <doko> pitti, ^^^
[20:05] <elbrus> pitti: just thought to let you know: I will look into the autopkgtest failure of dbconfig-common myself, but it will take a few days because I first want to straighten out a CVE issue in one of my packages.
[20:13] <sarnold> LocutusOfBorg1: congratulations :)
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks!
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[22:01] <ESphynx> hey guys, is there a way to request a rebuild on a ubuntu package that failed on a particular architecture?
[22:05] <ginggs> ESphynx: which package?
[22:07] <ESphynx> ginggs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecere-sdk -- the amd64 build failed, strangely
[22:12] <ginggs> ESphynx: retrying... please check whether it fails the same way and file a bug if it does
[22:16] <ESphynx> ginggs: I am both upstream and maintainer
[22:16] <ESphynx> will certainly keep an eye on it :) Thank you.
[22:16] <ESphynx> (I strongly doubt it will)
[22:18] <ginggs> ESphynx: you are welcome
[22:26] <ESphynx> ginggs: it failed again :S
[22:26] <ESphynx> cat: ./usr/share/ecere/samples/3D/terrainCameraDemo/res/aircraft/06: No such file or directory -- This seems to be the problem
[22:27] <ESphynx> There's a PNG file named '06 17 09.png' (with spaces)
[22:27] <ESphynx> this funky PNG optimization stuff seems new?
[22:27] <ESphynx> pkgstripfiles: PNG optimization -- There seems to be a failure to handle those spaces
[22:27] <ginggs> PNG optimization has been around for a couple of releases now
[22:27] <ESphynx> But why would it only affect amd64?
[22:28] <ginggs> only amd64 because that's where the arch:all packages are built as well
[22:28] <ESphynx> ah. that explains
[22:28] <ESphynx> those resources are not new from the last version that built though
[22:29] <ginggs> notice that the arch:all and arch:amd64 packages were not built on the debian buildds https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=ecere-sdk&suite=unstable
[22:30] <ESphynx> Changing the actual content of PNG files does seem way over-reaching to me (as an upstream)
[22:30] <mhall119> slangasek: ping
[22:30] <ginggs> they were built by the uploader - sometimes this causes problems e.g. buildds have no network access, missing build-depends
[22:31] <ESphynx> ginggs: But I was referring to this previous version that built https://launchpadlibrarian.net/222298118/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.ecere-sdk_0.44.11-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:31] <mhall119> slangasek: a couple of things: (1) I sent emails to the TB and DMB lists from the CC about this cycle's regular catchup meeting, but they're waiting for moderation, can you let them through?
[22:31] <dobey> it didn't have a png file with spaces in its name?
[22:31] <ESphynx> dobey: it did have that same exact file
[22:32] <ESphynx> 06 17 09.png
[22:32] <mhall119> slangasek: (2) The Xubuntu developers said there is some outstanding issue with their xubuntu-core packages, that there might have been some concern about the name which was preventing it from getting into the archives, do you know anything about that?
[22:33] <ESphynx> could those 'cat' be new things that were recently added?
[22:34] <dobey> looks like maybe how png optimization is run was changed
[22:35] <ESphynx> dobey: seems like it's failing to treat spaces safely :P
[22:37] <dobey> ESphynx: i suspedt trying to build the same source on sid might have the same issue?
[22:37] <doko> ESphynx, dobey: yes, I changed that last month to run in parallel. There might be a bug then ... the source is in pkgbinarymangler
[22:38] <ESphynx> dobey: possible... I confess my pbuilder failed to upgrade
[22:39] <doko> dobey, pkgbinarymangler is Ubuntu only
[22:40] <dobey> ESphynx: ^^ ah, seems like you should file a bug against pkgbinarymangler then, per doko's comment
[22:40] <dobey> doko: ok, wasn't sure if it was something ubuntu specific, or a change in the build tools in debian too.
[22:41] <doko> dobey, ESphynx: I'm afk now. see the optimize_pngs function in pkgstripfiles
[22:46] <ESphynx> dobey: so it is ubuntu specific?
[22:46] <ESphynx> could you guys please file the bug?
[22:47] <ESphynx> you might be more familiar with those deiban/ubuntu tools :)
[22:47] <ESphynx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgbinarymangler -- Would this be the place?
[22:49] <ESphynx> Is it this line?  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/pkgbinarymangler/wily/view/head:/pkgstripfiles#L103
[22:49] <dobey> that package is the place, yes
[22:50] <dobey> well, no, that's the code in wily
[22:50] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgbinarymangler/ubuntu is the upstream trunk code
[22:50] <dobey> lol, or not
[22:51] <ESphynx> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgbinarymangler/ubuntu/files -- all gone? lol
[22:51] <dobey> ok, you probably need to pull-lp-source pkgbinarymangler then
[22:51] <dobey> because there is no lp:ubuntu/pkgbinarymangler branch
[22:52] <ESphynx> I'm sure other packages would suffer from this :P
[22:52] <dobey> at least, no bzr branch
[22:52] <dobey> anyway, file the bug
[22:52] <dobey> and include the few lines from the build log, showing the error
[22:53] <ESphynx> I can do that much
[22:53] <doko> dobey, ESphynx: uploaded a fix, please retry once it's published
[22:54] <ESphynx> doko: thank you. should I still file a bug? lol
[22:54] <ESphynx> I don't have permissions to retry the build
[22:54] <dobey> i guess not
[22:54] <ESphynx> but I keep an eye on it
[22:54] <ESphynx> thanks guys for the prompt support.
[22:54] <dobey> just ask for another rebuild then
[22:55] <ESphynx> ginggs, dobey could you please request another rebuild once pkgbinarymangler is published?
[22:56] <dobey> i have to go
[22:56] <dobey> so no :)
[22:56] <ESphynx> cheers dobey


[06:16] <hole_>  if anyone here would be available to help me out i have choppy sound from my usb sound devices
[06:17] <hole_> trying to run timecodes on mixxx and i have bad choppy sound so it makes the timecode not work
[06:18] <hole_> trying to run timecodes on mixxx and i have bad choppy sound so it makes the timecode not work
[06:19] <cfhowlett> hole_, do not cross post.  stay in main channel for more eyes on this issue.  it is not ubuntustudio specific
[06:19] <hole_> it was an accident
[06:20] <hole_> it affects all ubuntustudio output from usb sound cards
[06:20] <cfhowlett> ... main channel ...
[06:33] <hole_> ok i need to change my alsa and pulseaudio sample rates to 44100 can anyone tell me where the config files for these are by default?
[06:48] <hole_> please help me
[11:09] <ubuntu-studio> quick question should i use current or lts, with ubuntu studio?
[17:10] <erick_> Hi, I have a quick question. I have been using Debian based OS for seven years now. However, I notice that for seven years my VLC would continue to be 2.1.6 Rincewind.
[17:11] <erick_> I know I can add PPA, but why won't the more recent version of VLC be in "Ubuntu Software Center". I hope someone can help.
[17:12] <cfhowlett> !latest | erick_
[17:13] <erick_> You meant it is much more stable if I choose the one from Ubuntu?
[17:13] <cfhowlett> yes
[17:14] <cfhowlett> bleeding edges are bloody.
[17:14] <erick_> I thought someone might forget. It was the same version for six years though.
[17:15] <erick_> How do I make sure someone won't forget to do it?
[17:15] <krytarik> !info vlc
[17:15] <krytarik> !info vlc unstable
[17:16] <erick_> I am usint ubuntu Studio 14.04 now.
[17:16] <erick_> using*
[17:16] <krytarik> !info vlc trusty
[17:16] <erick_> I see.
[17:16] <erick_> I hope to use Ubuntu Studio 16.04 this Summer. Thanks.
[17:16] <krytarik> !14.04
[20:38] <Hazward> Hello! I'm really new to linux and I recently bought a keyboard with midi support but unfortunately in MIDI tab in the connect section of qjackctl, my keyboard doesn't show up, but in windows I just plug it and it works, is there something I can do?
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Hazward: How does it plug in?
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> USB? MIDI interface?
[20:44] <Hazward> usb
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> [ lsusb ] please? ( !pastebin )
[20:49] <Hazward> when I type lsusb and amidi -l here's the output: http://pastebin.com/ra3HFzjF
[20:50] <OvenWerks> Hazward: a2j_control ehw start should work.
[20:51]  * OvenWerks is assuming that your keyboard does show up in the "ALSA" tab.
[20:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, check in ALSA.
[20:54] <Hazward> thanks a lot I works now! is it because my keyboard is considered a legacy midi device?
[20:59] <OvenWerks> Hazward: no, it is just that the jackd2 devs have not seen fit to include the a2j code in jack.
[21:00] <OvenWerks> (jackd1 does)
[21:00] <Hazward> ok so using jack1 instead of jack2 should fix this issue?
[21:01] <OvenWerks> Hazward: most people add the above line to their qjackctl config in the options tab for Execute script after startup
[21:01] <OvenWerks> jack1 on ubuntu will remove a pile of stuff and break other things.
[21:02] <Hazward> oh ok thanks thas pretty simple, I'm not using ubuntu, I just came here because I know the people here are really good with audio on linux
[21:03]  * OvenWerks waits for jackd3 to finally come out and replace both.
[21:03] <OvenWerks> Hazward: no problem, any debian derived system may have similar issues.
[21:04] <Hazward> any linux distro you should say, I'm running Arch and I've been having major issues with MIDI devices and Ardour
[21:16] <Hazward> OvenWerks: last question, in Ardour, when I press on some keys I see the volume level move (up and down) but there's not sound, I'm using the calf plugins
[21:17] <OvenWerks> Hazward: are the meters moving?
[21:17] <Hazward> yes
[21:17] <OvenWerks> where is the output routed?
[21:18] <OvenWerks> Do you see meters on the master channel move too?
[21:18] <Hazward> yes
[21:19] <Hazward> MIDI -> Organ(Calf) -> Ardour Master -> System Playback
[21:19] <OvenWerks> at the bottom of the mixer strip there is a button just above the comment (cmt) button. WHat does it say?
[21:20] <OvenWerks> system playback is which card?
[21:20] <Hazward> In qjackctl it only say system so I guess it's pulseaudio
[21:21] <OvenWerks> Are you by chance using one card for input and another to listen?
[21:21] <OvenWerks> No it is not PA
[21:21] <OvenWerks> Jack will only connect to a real hw device.
[21:22] <Hazward> Nope i'm only using one card for output, the only input I have is the organ controlled by my keyboard
[21:34] <OvenWerks> not really sure where to go at this point ... make sure alsa mixer is not turned down/muted... but if desktop sound was working it should be fine.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> type cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh
[21:36] <OvenWerks> into a terminal and use pastebin to put it in and give me the pastebin url
[21:37]  * OvenWerks is not sitting for long at his computer but doing othger things too.
[21:42] <Hazward> the output: http://pastebin.com/nMq4R9as
[21:43] <OvenWerks> Jack was not running when you did that.
[21:44] <OvenWerks> Oh, ya it is but using the dummy backend :)
[21:44] <OvenWerks> You need to configure qjackctl right.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> Jack is not (right now) connected to any audio interface.
[21:46] <OvenWerks> so the sound is going to /dev/null or equiv.
[21:47] <Hazward> oh ok, I'll set it up corrently
[21:53] <reydempto> Hey there, is anyone here available to try to help me with a problem i have with Jack and pulseaudio?
[22:31] <zequence> reydempto: What kind of problem are you having?
[22:38] <reydempto> Whell mainly a problem with pulseaudio not letting go of my soundcard to allow jack to take control
[22:38] <reydempto> i just got some assistance in #jack
[22:38] <reydempto> trying it out right now, by installing cadence
[22:39] <reydempto> and woah zequence cadence sure didn't work
[22:40] <reydempto> here's the error log of my problem
[22:40] <reydempto> https://dpaste.de/WNHD
[22:42] <reydempto> I'm completely at a loss now, been 4 hours+ of troubleshooting this, just to make some hammond sounds for fun
[22:44] <reydempto> I am checking my country's equivalent of craigslist for cheap/free midi keyboards :P my recording studio consists of two reel to reel tape recorders and a drum machine and I was reluctant to bring any computers into the mix for exactly this reason hahaha
[22:45] <reydempto> so i am just gonna go for a crappy casio with a headphone jack or line out :)
[22:56] <zequence> reydempto: Are you running Ubuntu Studio?
[22:59] <zequence> pulseaudio normally lets go of the card in favor of jackd. There's some code in pulseaudio that makes that happen. Not sure though if that happens with jackd1. Checking now
[22:59] <zequence> But, it would help knowing which distro and release you are on in any case
[22:59] <zequence> A default Ubuntu Studio installation should not give you problems with pulse + jack, rather the opposite
[22:59] <reydempto> Nah, I am running xubuntu 14.04 LTS
[23:00] <zequence> Did you add yourself to audio group?
[23:00] <reydempto> I know I am in KINDA the wrong place, but i figured folks here and also in #jack would be generally knowledgable on the subject
[23:01] <zequence> reydempto: It's ok. You're in the right place here too
[23:01] <zequence> The problem is you're running jackd1
[23:01] <reydempto> I am?
[23:01] <zequence> Yep
[23:01] <reydempto> i am in the audio group btw
[23:01] <zequence> Good
[23:01] <zequence> I'm pretty sure you are running jackd1. You can try installing jackd2
[23:02] <reydempto> jackd2 is installed
[23:02] <reydempto> jackd2
[23:02] <zequence> Really?
[23:02] <reydempto> well i installed it myself with apt-get
[23:03] <reydempto> oh
[23:03] <reydempto> i installed just 'jackÄ
[23:03] <reydempto> 'jack'
[23:04] <zequence> reydempto: What does this command return: dpkg -s jackd2 | grep Status
[23:05] <reydempto> hold up i uninstalled jack and am installing jackd2 now
[23:05] <reydempto> i stand corrected
[23:05] <zequence> Ok. Should solve your pulseaudio problems
[23:05] <reydempto> we shall see!
[23:05] <reydempto> it is installed. i will try firing it up now..
[23:07] <reydempto> well, trying to start jack via qjackctl gave this error log https://dpaste.de/ymdL
[23:08] <zequence> reydempto: Try logging out and logging in again, or even a reboot, just to make sure nothing is running in the background making your life sour
[23:08] <reydempto> will do, brb!
[23:14] <reydempto> back, okay let's see what happens
[23:14] <reydempto> woah
[23:14] <reydempto> its active
[23:14] <reydempto> Fri Jan  8 00:14:17 2016: New client 'qjackctl' with PID 3561
[23:14] <reydempto> :D :D :D
[23:15] <zequence> If you want to connect pulseaudio to jack, you'll need to install pulseaudio-module-jack. But, you might not want that if playing soft synths at low latencies
[23:15] <zequence> Also, get linux-lowlatency for any realtime processing - i.e. playing soft synths with a keyboard
[23:16] <zequence> linux-lowlatency is more or less exactly like linux-generic, but with a few configs done differently. A bit poorer throughput, maybe a bit harder on battery life, but a lot better for realtime audio stuff
[23:18] <reydempto> I'll probably just be lining this out to speakers and putting my cardoid mics right up to em
[23:18] <zequence> reydempto: Oh, and if you ever do get problems with pulseaudio again, for whatever reason, you can always disable it.  Have fun!
[23:20] <reydempto> now to learn how to properly configure jack :P
[23:21] <reydempto> I am installing linux-lowlatency now for the heck of it
[23:55] <reydempto> Hey, back again :P Even though everything seems to be working fine, and I made a connection between bristol and the pulse bridge via qjackctl, i still get no sound output! However if I look at my pulseaudio settings, i can see the bridge's 'vu meters' jumping when i press a key in the synth.
[23:55] <reydempto> I tested other things like vlc and youtube and nothig ngives audio, even though both pulse and jack seem to be sharing the video card fine
[23:56] <reydempto> sound card *
[23:57] <reydempto> so close