[03:53] <pleia2> knome: my brain is too tired to know what to do with the 2 msgs in the -devel queue, halp!
[07:13] <Unit193> pleia2: There was slight discussion on IRC about the epub docs, think people were leaning towards the idea that it'd not be as useful.  I had/have https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs.epub
[08:42] <forestpiskie> thanks jjfrv8 :)
[13:12] <gompa> how would one request a package to made default in xubuntu ? ( i would love to see plank included by default)  (i dont know if this would even be possible so please bare with me)
[14:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: i guess you can mark this one as invalid (at least the way i understood/commented it): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1324217
[14:38] <jjfrv8> Afternoon, elfy. And speaking of Power Manager, did you want to do anything with testcase 1582? Both updating it and including it in a testsuite?
[14:46] <elfy> jjfrv8: I guess so
[14:49] <jjfrv8> I can take a stab at the testcase and then you can decide if you want to do anything with it???
[14:50] <elfy> jjfrv8: that would be \o/ :)
[14:51] <jjfrv8> alrighty then
[14:51] <elfy> easy enough to add the testcase to current list(s)
[14:51] <elfy> jjfrv8: can you do a bug report to track it please
[14:52] <jjfrv8> wilco
[14:52] <elfy> ochosi: so I've finally found someone seeing the ind panel crash issue :)
[15:18] <ochosi> hey elfy
[15:18] <ochosi> mkay, is that a good thing? :)
[15:18] <ochosi> jjfrv8: looking at your docs now
[15:19] <elfy> ochosi: would be if I could say "do this then it'll work"
[15:19] <ochosi> yeah, i'm planning to get 15.04 installed tomorrow, maybe i get it too and can then debug it a bit myself
[15:19] <elfy> jjfrv8: re your abiword bug - I can't confirm that
[15:19] <elfy> ochosi: this other one is in 14.10
[15:19] <ochosi> oh
[15:21] <jjfrv8> elfy, have you used abiword at all yet on your install?  Once you fix it by creating/saving a new file, it doesn't seem to recur.
[15:21] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ok, i think i know what screenshots to use. i just need to talk to bluesabre about setting up 0.7-specific docs
[15:21] <jjfrv8> but right out of the box, it seems to happen every time.
[15:21] <jjfrv8> ochosi, cool.
[15:22] <elfy> jjfrv8: not used abiword here till I looked
[15:22] <elfy> will have a look in vm
[15:23] <jjfrv8> hmmm, it seemed very reproducible for me like I reported, on three separate machines.
[15:24] <ochosi> jjfrv8: one more thing, you mentioned (but i don't remember the details unfortunately) that there were other changes apart from the display tab as well
[15:25] <jjfrv8> ochosi, one typo, added a ref to the third plugin, and screenshot of the new Help dropdown.
[15:25] <ochosi> ok, so those are not 0.6 specific changes
[15:25] <ochosi> where was the typo exactly?
[15:26] <jjfrv8> I think on the intro. "control" -> "controlled"
[15:26] <elfy> ochosi: so ... 14.04 not 14.10 ...
[15:27] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I'm not sure about when that third plugin appeared or "contents" was added to the Help menu.
[15:28] <ochosi> since the third plugin is already in the 0.6 docs, i presume it was there already
[15:29] <jjfrv8> okay, yeah, there was a description of it but it just didn't appear on the intro page.
[15:29] <elfy> jjfrv8: today's daily, vbox, start abiword - start typing - no problems
[15:29] <jjfrv8> huh
[15:30] <ochosi> hmm, your screenshot for the help menu has slightly different font
[15:31] <jjfrv8> you've got good eyes. I don't think I installed faenza for it.
[15:32] <ochosi> the icons are fine
[15:32] <ochosi> just the font is off
[15:32] <ochosi> both in the window decoration and in the menu
[15:32] <ochosi> ;)
[15:33] <jjfrv8> I can redo it.
[15:36] <ochosi> if you can, that'd be nice
[15:36] <ochosi> meanwhile, I've set up basic 0.7 docs
[15:36] <ochosi> http://docs.xfce.org/apps/parole/0.7/start
[15:36] <ochosi> that
[15:36] <ochosi> 's where your changes will go
[15:36] <jjfrv8> k
[15:39] <ochosi> need to update parole's help/docs link too and release 0.7.1 to give people access to these docs i guess
[15:39] <jjfrv8> elfy, I just launched the 64-bit iso in vbox, selected Try, opened abiword and started typing - boom.
[15:45] <elfy> jjfrv8: just tried again - nada
[15:45] <elfy> installing it
[15:47] <jjfrv8> wonder what could be different
[15:49] <elfy> jjfrv8: just to double check - you open abiword, start typing and nothing shows, hit space and it opens a new abiword window where you can type?
[15:50] <jjfrv8> all except for the last part. in the new window, the same thing happens, no characters appear and when you hit space, another window opens, etc.
[15:50] <elfy> ok
[15:50] <elfy> definitely not seeing anything like that
[15:51] <jjfrv8> weird
[15:52] <elfy> very
[15:57] <elfy> jjfrv8: ok can confirm in clean install from today's daily
[15:57] <jjfrv8> whew
[15:58] <elfy> start abiword - type - nothing - hit space 15 times and get 15 new docs
[15:58] <jjfrv8> :)
[16:00] <elfy> so ... was weird, now we can downgrade to just odd :)
[16:00] <jjfrv8> hehe
[16:00] <elfy> not sure why I didn't see it in the livesession nor on this install
[16:02] <jjfrv8> yeah, i could be wrong but I saw if first on my desktop, it went away after doing a File->New, but then today, it seemed to be back when I just tried again.
[16:02] <elfy> ok - rm'd the abiword local config - can confirm on this too
[16:04] <elfy> right so here - file > new doesn't make a difference
[16:04] <elfy> space creates a new doc
[16:05] <elfy> then once you've been through it - works from then on
[16:05] <elfy> obviously - remove the configs and you're back where you started
[16:06] <jjfrv8> pardong my ignorance, where's the config?
[16:06] <elfy> .config/abiword
[16:07] <jjfrv8> yup
[16:12] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I seem to remember having trouble getting the icons to show up on the menu dropdowns when I configured all the theme/font settings per the std.
[16:13] <ochosi> jjfrv8: std? (s* transmitted disease? :))
[16:13] <jjfrv8> that's why I ended up with the screenshot I did. only way I could get icons.  but I'll take another crack at it
[16:13] <elfy> ochosi: lol
[16:13] <ochosi> newer gtk3 versions don't have icons in menus anymore
[16:13] <jjfrv8> hehe
[16:13] <ochosi> so that could be the reason you didn'*t see them
[16:13] <ochosi> and if you don't have icons in the menu, nevermind, that's not a problem
[16:13] <jjfrv8> it won't matter that it looks different from the others?
[16:14] <ochosi> well, we can't really do much about that. we can consider adding a note somewhere about this, but i don't have good ideas on how to resolve that
[16:14] <ochosi> maybe if we only update a single screenshot, it'd be better to try and keep it consistant
[16:15] <ochosi> but if there comes another round of updates to the docs, we might just redo all the screenshots without icons then i guess..
[16:15] <ochosi> actually, the playback bar looks slightly different in parole 0.7
[16:15] <jjfrv8> noticed that too
[16:15] <ochosi> but i don't think it's work redoing all screenshots just because of that
[16:17] <jjfrv8> so just to make sure I'm following... are we leaving the one I uploaded, going back to the original, or am I doing another with no icons?
[16:18] <ochosi> i guess we're gonna use the one you uploaded
[16:18] <jjfrv8> works for me :)
[16:18] <ochosi> or if i start to feel anal about the font being different, i can take a crack at redoing it myself
[16:20] <ochosi> you didn't update the text though to reflect the "contents" menuitem
[16:21] <jjfrv8> yeah, 'cause both Contents and About take you to the same place.
[16:22] <ochosi> not really
[16:22] <ochosi> about opens the about-dialog
[16:23] <ochosi> (and then there's a link to the website, which is essentially the docs)
[16:23] <ochosi> but still, it also holds license info, which the contents/docs doesn't
[16:23] <jjfrv8> right, and the text specifically says you can get to the docs that way. I thought about revising it. Should have asked your opinion.
[16:25] <ochosi> no worries
[16:25] <ochosi> i just added in a sentence and i think it's fine-ish
[16:25] <jjfrv8> cool
[16:27] <ochosi> so far i've updated the display screener in 0.7 and added that new help menu
[16:27] <ochosi> so i guess that should be up-to-date now
[16:27] <ochosi> just need to modify parole's contents link to point to that version now
[16:27] <ochosi> maybe we can automate that somehow, so it always points to the correct version automatically
[16:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: i created separate docs for parole 0.7 based on the changes/screenshots jjfrv8 proposed. they're all here now: http://docs.xfce.org/apps/parole/0.7/ (mostly adding the video backend stuff and updating the help menu)
[16:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you're fine with this, we should update the contents menu-item for the docs to point to 0.7 in git master, or maybe we can even find a way to automate this so it always points to the correct version..? (as you know not an autotools/makefile expert here :))
[16:42] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ok, so i'm done with the updates, thanks a bunch for your help!
[16:47] <jjfrv8> ochosi, quite welcome. Thanks for the feedback.
[16:57] <elfy> jjfrv8: for what it's worth don't see that issue installing abiword in ubuntu
[16:57] <ochosi> jjfrv8: btw, if you feel motivated (and since you mentioned you were reviewing powerman-testcases, that one needs docs too
[16:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: i obviously have a patch ready for the 0.7 switch in case we wanna do it by hand ;)
[17:21] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I'll touch base with slickymaster on the powerman docs.
[17:21] <ochosi> jjfrv8: so far not much has happened afaik
[17:21] <ochosi> we've only set up the staging site
[17:22] <jjfrv8> I think I saw that in my travels. I'll look it over - probably tomorrow.
[17:22] <jjfrv8> bbl
[17:23] <ochosi> cool, ttyl jjfrv8
[17:24] <ochosi> jjfrv8: this is where the staging site is at btw: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfpm-docs:start
[18:03] <habhatti> Hello everyone.
[18:20] <ochosi> hi habhatti
[19:56] <pleia2> Unit193: when was that discussion? think you can link to it on the mailing list?
[20:02] <sidi-valencia> ochosi, may i suggest some illustration on the frontpage too? makes the doc less stern and more attractive :P
[20:08] <andrzejr> ochosi, any thoughts on my xfce4-dev ml comment?
[20:16] <knome> pleia2, can approve sidnioulz (==sidi), the other one, meh
[20:18]  * pleia2 opens admin dashboard again
[20:19] <pleia2> maybe fwd the other to the user list
[20:19] <knome> well,
[20:19] <knome> it looks like they have a school assignment
[20:20] <knome> if it's fwd'd to -users, i'm sure the flood of mail replies is the level of "meh"
[20:20] <knome> though, what do i care, i'm not subscribed there
[20:20] <knome> :|
[20:20] <pleia2> yeah well, it's better for users than devel
[20:20] <knome> sure, but
[20:21] <pleia2> mailman's forwarding thing is not awesome
[20:22] <knome> the reason i personally don't want to help people who just ask XYZ to get through their assignments is that i've seen enough people studying IT who have no skills, social, technical, or otherwise, and i would never want to work with them professionally, so i refuse to make more of those pass through their school
[20:23] <knome> if they understood a small bit, they could either 1) find out theirself 2) ask better questions, eg. "why are you using the X model and not the Y model for CPU scheduling"
[20:23] <pleia2> now it's in the -users queue and it is from the mailman user
[20:23] <pleia2> ooh my lunch is here
[20:23] <knome> woohoo. :)
[20:23] <pleia2> I'll deal with this later
[20:23] <skellat> Embrace "listadmin"
[20:24] <skellat> I set up it for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and life is so much easier
[20:24] <skellat> It is even a package in the archive!
[20:26] <knome> any software can't remove the false expectations from the list users.
[20:28] <skellat> No, it is a command line tool for admins to admin a mailing list
[20:28] <skellat> If I end up with any more mailing lists, I'm just adding them there so it gives me the ability to work through all the queues in one shot
[20:28] <skellat> A bunch of folks were raving about it on planet.debian.org a couple weeks ago
[20:29] <skellat> LoCo Council gets some exciting spam, too
[20:30] <knome> well i guess software doesn't make the decision making any easier either
[20:32] <habhatti> Um, hello. Do you still need more testers?
[20:32] <knome> habhatti, alwyas
[20:32] <knome> always too..
[20:34] <habhatti> Wonderful, is this the right channel for this?
[20:34] <knome> yep
[20:34] <knome> habhatti, you'll want to talk especially with elfy when he gets back
[20:36] <habhatti> Thanks, I'll lurk in here then.
[20:36] <knome> habhatti, great. if you have any questions, feel free to ask; we others can answer some too
[20:45] <habhatti> Thanks, I'm going through the documentation for the QAtracker.
[22:03] <sidi-valencia> ochosi, http://i.imgur.com/aghfsss.png?


[02:01] <alienth> i know the plan is to eventually have upstart handle temporal triggers, and be able to deprecate some areas of cron. Are there any thoughts in that implementation on how to handle email output in a cron-like way?
[02:01] <alienth> or should temporal tasks which need to email output stay in cron?
[04:09] <SpamapS> alienth: the addition of cron has been shelved, I don't know that it is a priority for anybody committing to upstart regularly.
[04:10] <SpamapS> alienth: so yes, I'd suggest using cron for all temporal tasks
[04:10] <SpamapS> (and IMO, its not really upstart's job, even if it would be easy.. ;)
[04:13] <alienth> SpamapS: txh for the input :)
[04:16] <spladug> SpamapS, what about starting upstart tasks from cron as a way to ensure that a cron job never runs more than once simultaneously?
[04:21] <SpamapS> spladug: yeah thats a great idea
[04:21] <SpamapS> spladug: perhaps somebody should add support for that to cron :)
[04:24] <alienth> think that would be tricky to do in cron natively :/
[04:24] <alienth> due to how it is designed
[04:24] <alienth> most people use wrappers to ensure it (which is what we're doing now)
[04:24] <alienth> upstart does seem like a handy way to address it
[04:24] <alienth> but the trouble with moving some stuff into upstart is that email output becomes much more obtuse
[04:25] <SpamapS> it will be easy no doubt
[04:25] <alienth> (compared to cron)
[04:25] <SpamapS> the event loop can have scheduled things
[04:25] <SpamapS> I'm just not a huge fan of building everything into one daemon that runs as pid 1
[04:25] <SpamapS> as much of a "hack" as mountall is, I like that its concerns are separate from upstart's
[04:26] <SpamapS> alienth: right, to get email output, you'd need to have something like 'errors to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and then have upstart assume sendmail works ..
[04:27] <SpamapS> it just becomes more and more and more code in something that *must* work
[04:27] <spladug> so would a wrapper script that emails output be the best bet?
[04:32] <SpamapS> I believe mailx will only send email if there is a body
[04:32] <SpamapS> or can be coaxed to do that
[04:35] <spladug> roger, thanks :)


[09:56] <poqamatt> hello ;-)
[23:58] <craigbass76> Is there some weird trick to getting a touchpad tap to equal a mouse click?
[23:58] <craigbass76> I haven't found the option anywhere yet


[19:50] <Daviey> Hey, any fridge admins around?
[19:53] <beuno> Daviey, sure, what can we help you with?
[19:53] <Daviey> beuno: I hope you can help me get a story onto the fridge ;)
[19:54] <beuno> Daviey, what do you have in mind?
[19:55] <Daviey> "Mythbuntu's 10,000th download of Gutsy"
[19:55] <Daviey> in less than 4 days :O
[19:56] <beuno> Daviey, sounds fridgeable, would you like to write it up?
[19:57] <beuno> you can email it to me and I'll put it up
[19:57] <Daviey> I've got a draft.. how many words would you like?
[19:57] <beuno> Daviey, we tend to put short stories on there, so nothing too long
[19:58] <Daviey> cool
[19:58] <Daviey> Whats your email?
[20:00] <beuno> Daviey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:00] <Daviey> will do sir.. I'll need to find my draft
[20:00] <beuno> Daviey, great!


[07:09] <MCR1> didrocks: Hi :) Got 3 minutes ?
[07:09] <didrocks> MCR1: not really, already late for a meeting TBH…
[07:10] <didrocks> I'm sure sil2100 or Mirv or upstream can help you :)
[07:10] <MCR1> didrocks: ok, no stress, thx-.
[07:12] <MCR1> duflu: Hi :) Have you seen bug 1067534 ?
[07:13] <MCR1> I swear it will be the last showdesktop related fix for a while ;)
[07:15] <MCR1> smspillaz: Are you here ?
[07:16] <bschaefer> MCR1, heey sorry still have a broken unity haha
[07:16] <MCR1> bschaefer: Now I can tell you, that you should go to sleep, haha :)
[07:17] <bschaefer> MCR1, yeeah
[07:17] <MCR1> Which time do you have now ?
[07:17] <bschaefer> umm a bit after midnight
[07:17] <bschaefer> not to bad
[07:18] <bschaefer> and on that note, im off to bed.
[07:18] <bschaefer> MCR1, hopefully Ill get my unity up and running tomorrow (most of the problems are fixed now)
[07:18] <MCR1> I hope so too as you are my main Unity testing connection ;)
[07:20] <MCR1> sil2100, Mirv, Trevinho: Anyone here who has 3 minutes ?
[07:23] <MCR1> om26er: Hi :) Unity bugmaster is needed !
[07:23] <om26er> lol
[07:23] <duflu> MCR1: Haven't looked yet. Too many emergencies today :(
[07:23] <om26er> MCR1, hey
[07:24] <duflu> (emergencies for developers, not for the 12.10 release :)
[07:24] <MCR1> duflu: Ok, thx - but it is easy - you would understand it in 1 minute...
[07:25] <MCR1> om26er: I fixed bug 1067534 and it would be nice if you could take a look and confirm the fix if possible...
[07:28] <om26er> MCR1, just wondering, do minimize window previews work with this as well?
[07:28] <MCR1> You mean the Alt-Tab ones ?
[07:28] <om26er> i.e. if a window is minimized does its preview appear in alt-` ?
[07:28] <om26er> yeah
[07:28] <MCR1> I will check it, but they should.
[07:29] <MCR1> because they will still use the Unity code...
[07:30] <MCR1> but I will re-check that to make sure
[07:30]  * om26er wonders if there was a show-desktop plugin in compiz why was it redone inside Unity
[07:31] <om26er> + I agree show desktop fade currently is Meh...
[07:31] <MCR1> om26er: I do not change any default behavior, just add the possibility to use showdesktop
[07:32] <MCR1> om26er: The test needs 3 minutes, because I have to reapply my fixes...
[07:34] <MCR1> om26er: Minimized window previews still work, just tested. :)
[07:36] <om26er> MCR1, i am building your branches and see how it goes, will tell you in a bit
[07:37] <MCR1> om26er: As far as I know the internal fadetodesktop function had to be written because of the window previews in the Switcher...
[07:37] <MCR1> om26er: Thanks a lot.
[07:38] <MCR1> om26er: You will see show desktop sliding windows for the first time running with Unity-3d then... 8-)
[07:58] <Trevinho> MCR1: need anything? :)
[08:06] <Mirv> MCR1: I guess the need went by already? :)
[08:20] <MCR1> om26er: I have added test cases to the bug report :)
[08:20] <om26er> MCR1, just saw, compiz have build now unity will
[08:23] <MCR1> Trevinho: Yes - could you make sure that my new fixes go to Precise as well, because otherwise there might be minor regressions for users who made showdesktop manually start after unityshell ?
[08:24] <MCR1> Trevinho: We now prevent the use of showdesktop together with unityshell, but we just have to ensure it is loaded after unityshell :)
[08:25] <didrocks> this kind of setting doesn't change the load plugin order
[08:25] <didrocks> it's only if you load ccsm
[08:25] <didrocks> and remove/readd a plugin
[08:26] <MCR1> didrocks: It works perfectly though.
[08:26] <didrocks> MCR1: maybe if you remove/add a plugin, but if you added it before, like as you said in precise
[08:26] <didrocks> and the plugin is in the order before the unityshell one
[08:26] <didrocks> this change won't impact anything
[08:27] <didrocks> the plugin won't be loaded after
[08:27] <didrocks> you will have to go to ccsm
[08:27] <didrocks> and remove/readd a plugin
[08:27] <MCR1> didrocks: Yes - this is exactly what you have to do to enable showdesktop :)
[08:27] <didrocks> MCR1: this won't fix for people in precise who already enabled it
[08:27] <MCR1> didrocks: Before it would not work - now it does
[08:28] <MCR1> didrocks: but they can fix it then by disabling and re-enabling
[08:28] <didrocks> how it wouldn't work?
[08:28] <didrocks> yeah
[08:28] <MCR1> didrocks: it simply would not work at all
[08:28]  * didrocks just has an horrible doubt about the fix, suddently
[08:28] <didrocks> lte me check something
[08:29] <MCR1> I have added test cases
[08:29] <didrocks> MCR1: did you try with the cube?
[08:30] <MCR1> didrocks: See here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1063171/comments/8
[08:30]  * didrocks remembers of all the drama on bug #711561
[08:30] <didrocks> finally the fix was to https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/unity/removelargedesktopdependency/+merge/93687
[08:31] <MCR1> didrocks: but this was a dependency change, no ?
[08:31] <MCR1> didrocks: I am doing a requirement "after" change.
[08:31] <MCR1> *just
[08:32] <MCR1> I have tested everything in 99 ways. No breakage nowhere - do not worry. :)
[08:32] <didrocks> MCR1: just try with your previous fix (the one which is in SRU0) to have cube enabled please :)
[08:32] <MCR1> I have the cube enabled and it works
[08:33] <MCR1> also with my new fixes
[08:33] <MCR1> recent Unity and Compiz trunk
[08:34] <MCR1> I even have the most recent fix duflu made (cube top and bottom caps transparency)
[08:34] <didrocks> MCR1: ok, and it was working with your previous fix as well?
[08:34] <didrocks> MCR1: just the "+feature" one
[08:34] <MCR1> didrocks: I can ensure that everything works, yes
[08:35] <davidcalle> Mirv, didrocks, are we still open for SRU0?
[08:36] <didrocks> MCR1: please do :)
[08:36]  * didrocks let Mirv answering
[08:36] <MCR1> didrocks: ?
[08:37] <didrocks> 10:34:58       MCR1 | didrocks: I can ensure that everything works, yes
[08:37] <didrocks> -> please ensure it works with the SRU0 version :p
[08:37] <didrocks> only the +feature one
[08:38] <MCR1> didrocks: Hmm, I currently do not have Precise here, just Quantal...
[08:38] <didrocks> MCR1: I mean on Quantal
[08:38] <om26er> MCR1, it seems i broke my install somehow
[08:38] <om26er> by install compiz from source
[08:38] <om26er> now i only have a desktop background :/
[08:38] <didrocks> MCR1: on quantal, try your +feature thingy (not the latest proposal, the previous one)
[08:38] <didrocks> MCR1: and try to enable cube
[08:39] <MCR1> om26er: Oh sh*t, sorry for causing troubles - but I am sure that my changes did not cause that
[08:39] <MCR1> didrocks: Aye Aye, sir :)
[08:39] <om26er> yeah ofcourse your changes are unrelated, i should build compiz more often ;-)
[08:39] <didrocks> MCR1: thanks :)
[08:40] <MCR1> om26er: You could have changed just the xml files (3 lines) to test it :-[ - I should have told you that probably...
[08:40] <sil2100> davidcalle: what's up?
[08:43]  * MCR1 has now disabled and re-enabled the cube and is sure it works 8-)
[08:43] <MCR1> didrocks: Done. No regressions.
[08:43] <didrocks> MCR1: ok, thanks!
[08:43] <davidcalle> sil2100, heya. https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-photos/+bug/1058061 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-videos/+bug/1066957 Both fixes are already in trunk for the two lenses.
[08:45] <Mirv> davidcalle: not really, everything packaged :)
[08:45] <sil2100> davidcalle: is it high-priority?
[08:45] <Mirv> davidcalle: open for SRU-1, though!
[08:45] <sil2100> davidcalle: if it is, and also relatively safe, we can cherry-pick it and distro patch...
[08:45] <Mirv> of course, it all depends on criticality
[08:45] <sil2100> But let Mirv decide ;)
[08:46] <Mirv> davidcalle: is it the new video-lens commit? the package was done before it
[08:47] <davidcalle> Mirv, sil2100, the first one is a random dbus crash for the Photos lens, which is quite frequent in errors.ubuntu.com and has been fixed by a release team member. It's high priority.
[08:47] <Mirv> davidcalle: ok, we haven't been handling photo lens yet
[08:47] <Mirv> regarding sru-0
[08:49] <Mirv> I'm cherry-picking the content order thing, as it was supposed to be done similar to the other lenses
[08:49] <davidcalle> Mirv, about the video lens one, it's not high priority and there is a related fix by mhr3 in the SRU list I think, which makes it less visible.
[08:50] <davidcalle> Mirv, but if you are ok with cherry picking it for sru-0, it's great
[08:51] <Mirv> davidcalle: it's not marked high but it's pretty much wanted anyhow
[08:58] <Mirv> didrocks: I'm updating the video lens packaging branch with the cherry pick soonish
[08:58] <didrocks> Mirv: ok
[08:58] <MCR1> didrocks: The only regression I could possibly think of is that someone already has enabled showdesktop in CCSM although it does not work - I am not 100% sure what happens, but I will test this low-probability case also to make 1000% sure
[08:59] <davidcalle> Mirv, thanks!
[08:59] <MCR1> didrocks: Probably Compiz/Unity will start normally and the conflict will just be visible to the user if he changes the showdesktop/fadedesktop settings in CCSM, but I'll check that case to make sure
[09:00] <didrocks> MCR1: please ensure :)
[09:15] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: added a test to https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/launcher_selection_changed_fix_1067358/+merge/129923
[09:23] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: looking
[09:23] <MCR1> didrocks: I tested the low-probability case also now :) - with success - if the plug-in showdesktop or fadedesktop is already enabled and then conflicts with unityshell after the update it will be ignored until the user changes his settings in CCSM - disabling and re-enabling will lead to a dialogue explaining the situation...
[09:23] <didrocks> MCR1: excellent, thanks!
[09:24] <MCR1> didrocks: But ideally my new fix should go to SRU as well now...
[09:24] <didrocks> MCR1: would be SRU1
[09:24] <MCR1> didrocks: ok.
[09:24] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: i'm not ultra happy with the way i "fake" the closing of the quicklist, but getting the quicklist to emit that ubus message meant lots of modifications of the existing code, so i went the "faking" way, i can try to make the needed modifications for the quicklist to send that message if you prefer
[09:26] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: if you think it's a cleaner design, ok... For trunk it's better if we add the best code we can, for Q even not the cleanest solution is ok, until is working and tested
[09:27] <MCR1> didrocks: Do you know the showdesktop plug-in and its functionality ?
[09:27] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: about the test... ProcessMessages can also stay as an TestLauncherController member function (so it is not lost between tests), and rename as ProcessUbusMessage... or smomething...
[09:27] <didrocks> MCR1: sorry no, and TBH I'm really busy with serious upgrade issues right now
[09:27] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: problem is, i need a way to get to the quicklist from the launchercontroller, which probably means making the _quicklist of LauncherIcon accessible via a function, not sure if we want that
[09:27] <didrocks> with things we support officially
[09:28] <MCR1> didrocks: sure. Best wishes that everything works clean and without troubles from me ;)
[09:28] <didrocks> thanks :)
[09:29] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: about the tests
[09:29] <Trevinho> 94	+  ASSERT_EQ(last_selection_change, "Dash Home");
[09:29] <Trevinho> 98	+  ASSERT_EQ(last_selection_change, "Ubuntu One");
[09:29] <Trevinho> They're correct until someone would not change the .desktop files we have by default in our testing launcherModel... Overall in the tests I've also tried not to be directly connected to that... Instead I think you should just compare these strings with the selected icon's text you expect to have there
[09:29] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: it should be trivial to do, just ensure that the icon in the model that should be selected matches that text
[09:29] <tsdgeos> ok
[09:36] <tsdgeos> ok, fixed strings and the processmessages function
[09:36] <tsdgeos> let's see how ugly is to get to the quicklist to close it from there
[09:39] <jokerdino> hey devs, how do i restart unity inside unity.cmake without using subprocess?
[09:40] <Trevinho> jokerdino: inside cmake?
[09:40] <jokerdino> hm yes.
[09:40] <Trevinho> jokerdino: mh, I just run unity in a shell..
[09:40] <jokerdino> i am putting back unity --reset and was wondering if i really have to subprocess unity
[09:41] <jokerdino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1284694/
[09:41] <didrocks> jokerdino: just call the function to start it, there is one :)
[09:41] <jokerdino> the process_and_start_unity() ?
[09:42] <didrocks> jokerdino: well, the current code should be fine
[09:42] <didrocks> you call your code in the optoin
[09:42] <mhr3> didrocks, didn't you have lots of concerns about compiz and resetting dconf?
[09:42] <didrocks> don't exit, then you have run_unity() which is called
[09:42] <jokerdino> hm alright then. thanks!
[09:43] <didrocks> mhr3: good catch! jokerdino: what I did before is to stop unity/compiz first
[09:43] <didrocks> mhr3: because resetting the keys below compiz's feet isn't a good idea
[09:43] <didrocks> jokerdino: ^
[09:43] <jokerdino> so, we stop unity / compiz?
[09:43] <didrocks> jokerdino: so please do test that a lot, with changing plugins key (like adding new plugin, reset that)
[09:43] <didrocks> if you don't want to stop unity/compiz
[09:43] <didrocks> and see if the changes are picked
[09:44] <jokerdino> yeah, i am going to compile from source and see how it goes :)
[09:44] <didrocks> like, compiz doesn't roll back on shutdown
[09:44] <didrocks> :)
[09:44] <jokerdino> ok will get back when in doubt
[09:51] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: updated to include the non-fake quicklist closing, what do you think? https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/launcher_selection_changed_fix_1067358/+merge/129923
[09:55] <jokerdino> didrocks:  before i get to compiling, can you please check if i am sane enough? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1284718/
[09:57] <didrocks> jokerdino: it does look sane to me, just ensure about the "changing keys under compiz feet"
[09:57] <jokerdino> i put in a killall compiz before resetting unity.
[09:58] <jokerdino> but i'll test it out just in case
[09:59] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: llooks good
[10:00] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: approved
[10:00] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: oki, i'll create the 6.0 one now
[10:02] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: thansk
[10:32] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: here it comes https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/launcher_selection_changed_fix_1067358_for_6.0/+merge/130080
[10:41] <Trevinho> cool, approved
[13:16] <tar-dingens> hi
[13:16] <tar-dingens> i am using unity on ubuntu 12.10 with the fglrx driver on an amd radeon hd 5450
[13:16] <tar-dingens> i have tearing when moving windows but only in a small area in the top left
[13:16] <tar-dingens> i can avoid this tearing when enabling tear free desktop in the catalyst control center but this makes some animinations really slow and laggy
[13:16] <tar-dingens> for example the unity preview feature
[13:32] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: so continuing to scratching my itches i've created https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/fix_panek_title_escaping_1067357/+merge/130111 that fixes the problem with the data of UBUS_LAUNCHER_SELECTION_CHANGED already being escaped and the double escaping made stuff like "d&inici" appear instead of "d'inici"
[13:33] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: how would you suggest to unit test that?
[14:00] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: unfortunately we don't have unit test for the panel yet... You can create one if you want, or use Autopilot
[14:01] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: ah, one thing... Since you're there... I think that we actually should remove this: bold_label << "<b>" << _panel_title << "</b>";
[14:01] <Trevinho> the anel should be wrong only if the font is bold
[14:02] <Trevinho> I think we're wrong in forcing this
[14:02] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: also...
[14:02] <Trevinho> 21	-  glib::String escaped(g_markup_escape_text(_panel_title.c_str(), -1));
[14:02] <Trevinho> This is wrong, tough... or if there's a maximized window with a special char, or an app name with a special key that won't work
[14:03] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: i moved that up
[14:03] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: ah, yeah... sorry, I thought you were adding that on the ubus callback
[14:03] <Trevinho> sorry
[14:03] <tsdgeos> well, i could "unescape" the ubus stuff
[14:04] <tsdgeos> but i didn't find the unescape function
[14:05] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: you sure i should mix the <b> thing with my fix?
[14:05] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: well, since you're changing that function...
[14:06] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:09] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: however probably, even if it could lead to some code duplication just adding the unescaping inside OnLauncherKeyNavEnded and OnLauncherSelectionChanged could leave the refresh title cleaner, so we're sure the escaping is always done...
[14:09] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: agreed, but do you know if there's a unescaping function? i couldn't find it
[14:13] <Trevinho> isn't g_markup_escape_text working there?
[14:15] <Trevinho> ahhh, wait... sorry
[14:26] <didrocks> popey: do you have any news of the FTBFS in staging fixing? Nux is still in FTBFS state and makes unity FTBFS
[14:29]  * popey looks
[15:15] <mhr3> fginther, seems like this irc works better atm :)
[15:15] <fginther> mhr3 indeed
[15:15] <mhr3> fginther, so what's up?
[15:16] <fginther> mhr3, I migrated the auto merger for lp:unity-lens-videos/remote-videos-scope-trunk to a new jenkins job and it picked up a rather old MP of yours:
[15:16] <fginther> https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-lens-videos/fix-1058097/+merge/126956
[15:16] <fginther> mhr3 it failed due to a config issue on the builder host. But before I re-approve, I just want to check to see if this is still a valid MP
[15:18]  * mhr3 tries to open
[15:19] <mhr3> launchpad freezes
[15:19] <davidcalle> mhr3, fginther, this fix is in distro, somehow.
[15:20] <mhr3> damn, i can't even access my mail
[15:22] <amithkk> Hey
[15:22] <davidcalle> mhr3, fginther, distro and trunk. Doesn't seem valid anymore.
[15:22] <amithkk> https://code.launchpad.net/~amith/unity/unity-reset-fix/+merge/130146
[15:22] <amithkk> I've asked for a merge review
[15:23] <amithkk> All the intendation errors have been fixed
[15:23] <mhr3> fginther, right, there's some merge mixup in that branch, but it was landed already
[15:24] <fginther> mhr3, davidcalle. I agree.
[15:33] <jokerdino> didrocks: can you take a look at the merge request? https://code.launchpad.net/~amith/unity/unity-reset-fix/+merge/130146
[15:33] <jokerdino> i accidentally fixed the weird indentation. is that alright?
[15:34] <didrocks> jokerdino: yeah, I saw it, it looks good (and great for the identation fix) :) it just need the automated tests now
[15:34] <jokerdino> okay. i'll write the tests now. :) thanks!
[15:34] <didrocks> jokerdino: otherwise, all looks good to me! good work :)
[15:35] <didrocks> jokerdino: just ensure that it's well tested with changing a lot of keys and getting reset called (with changing plugins list for instance)
[15:35] <jokerdino> okay. i'll take a look at the current tests and use it as a template :)
[15:35] <didrocks> as compiz has a history to not like changing the config under its feet :)
[15:35] <didrocks> :)
[15:35] <didrocks> good luck!
[15:35] <amithkk> didrocks: happens with custom plugins
[15:35] <jokerdino> okay noted. also didrocks, should unity --reset reset to the default compiz plugis?
[15:35] <didrocks> jokerdino: yeah, I think so
[15:35] <didrocks> jokerdino: like some people are lost by enabling a conflicting plugin in ccsm
[15:35] <didrocks> and no more unity
[15:36] <jokerdino> ok, in that case, we need to do add a couple more lines then.
[15:36] <amithkk> \o/
[15:36] <didrocks> so reset should give the supported configuration back
[15:36] <amithkk> one more doubt didrocks
[15:36] <didrocks> yes? ;)
[15:36] <amithkk> in the lines with
[15:37] <amithkk> if options.reset_icons:
[15:37] <amithkk>         reset_launcher_icons ()
[15:37] <amithkk> shouldnt it be if options.reset-icons
[15:37] <amithkk> so that it follows the other args?
[15:38] <amithkk> didrocks: --^
[15:38] <didrocks> one sec :)
[15:38] <didrocks> amithkk: the option is --reset-icons
[15:38] <didrocks> then, it's translated to options.reset_icons by optparse
[15:39] <amithkk> I see
[15:39] <didrocks> because you can't have: var-like-that in python
[15:39] <amithkk> ooh I never know that
[15:39] <amithkk> \o/
[15:39] <amithkk> Thanks
[15:39] <didrocks> you learn it soon enough and hardly normally :-)
[15:39] <didrocks> yw!
[15:43] <MCR1> didrocks: because we are talking about Compiz and plug-ins here, do you have 3 minutes to take a look at a 3 line fix ?
[15:43] <didrocks> MCR1: still configuration change? :p
[15:44] <MCR1> no, still showdesktop stuff :P
[15:44] <didrocks> MCR1: I hardly have the time to once again build and test compiz today TBH :p
[15:44] <didrocks> I can give you my opinion though :)
[15:44] <MCR1> you do just need your logic - it is tested already by me and om26er
[15:44] <MCR1> bug 1067534
[15:45] <MCR1> the branches fixing it are linked :)
[15:45] <MCR1> https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/compiz/compiz.merge-fix1067534/+merge/130001 and
[15:46] <MCR1> https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-fix1067534/+merge/129999
[15:46] <MCR1> didrocks: Short description: Makes showdesktop plug-in work with Unity-3d for the first time :)
[15:46] <didrocks> MCR1: it looks good to me, but I don't ack branch I don't test :)
[15:48] <MCR1> didrocks: ok, thx a lot.
[15:49] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:58] <davidcalle> sil2100, Mirv, about the Photos lens SRU, is it on track? Should I do anything to help?
[15:59] <sil2100> davidcalle: not sure how Mirv, but from what I know up until now we didn't really take care of the photo lens - Mirv ^ ?
[16:14] <balloons> ping thomi
[16:18] <om26er> aint that too early for him ?
[16:18] <balloons> it's hard to know early from late :-)
[16:37] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone know how to close the Unity.MusicPlayer in Python 3 correctly as I am getting errors back the second time I open? Many thanks, Andy
[16:42] <andyrock> Mirv, ping
[16:44] <sil2100> andyrock: I think Mirv is EOD already
[16:44] <andyrock> sil2100, ok thank you... :)
[16:44] <andyrock> sil2100, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1067742
[16:44] <andyrock> can you reproduce it?
[16:45] <sil2100> andyrock: looking
[16:45] <andyrock> it's a failing test
[16:46] <sil2100> andyrock: I remember having some problems, but I'll check now, one moment
[16:46] <andyrock> yeah there is a crash in Launcher.DNDsomethig
[16:46] <andyrock> *thing
[16:46] <andyrock> can't remember the name atm
[16:47] <popey> andyrock, is there a way to trigger it for that specific test? if I run "make check" it segfaults after a load of tests
[16:47] <andyrock> popey, you can do ./test/test-gtest --gtest_filter="..."
[16:47] <andyrock> in you build directory
[16:47] <andyrock> *your
[16:49] <popey> where ... is the name of the test andyrock ?
[16:49] <andyrock> yup
[16:49] <andyrock> something like that
[16:49] <andyrock> TestLauncher.*
[16:50] <popey> k
[16:51]  * sil2100 is building
[16:53] <popey> andyrock, do you mean ./tests/test-gtest-something? dbus/service/xless?
[16:53] <andyrock> yup
[16:54] <popey> which? :)
[16:54] <popey> there's three there
[16:54] <andyrock> which test do you want to run?
[16:54] <popey> I don't know, you're asking me to reproduce an issue :)
[16:54] <om26er> th th th ?
[16:54] <sil2100> ;)
[16:55] <sil2100> 26%...
[16:55] <andyrock> popey, sil2100 /tests/test-gtest --gtest_filter="TestUnitySettings.FormFactorChangedSignal_Extern_OtherKeys"
[16:55] <andyrock> :)
[16:55] <popey> there is no such file tests/test-gtest
[16:56] <popey> thats my point, there's ./tests/test-gtest-dbus  ./tests/test-gtest-service and ./tests/test-gtest-xless
[16:58] <andyrock> mmm do you have google-mock installed?
[16:58] <popey> yes
[16:58] <popey> bah
[16:58] <popey> lemme try again
[16:59] <andyrock> this is weird
[16:59] <popey> no, its my fault
[16:59] <andyrock> that command works for me
[16:59] <sil2100> andyrock: I'm still building the source eh
[16:59] <sil2100> 53%
[17:00] <andyrock> sil2100, i think that popey get the crash in TestLauncher.*
[17:00] <popey> andyrock, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285411
[17:00] <andyrock> because
[17:00] <popey> bah
[17:00] <popey> typo
[17:00] <andyrock> he did
[17:01] <andyrock> cmake ..
[17:01] <andyrock> and make check
[17:01] <popey> andyrock, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285413
[17:01] <andyrock> so the launcher can't find the assets
[17:01] <andyrock> popey, cool the test is ok
[17:01] <andyrock> popey, i need to ping Mirv tomorrow
[17:02] <popey> andyrock, I do get segfaults tho
[17:02] <popey> andyrock, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285416
[17:03] <andyrock> popey, yeah your PKGDATADIR is not correctly setted
[17:03] <popey> O RLY
[17:03] <andyrock> i think that make install
[17:03] <andyrock> should fix2 your
[17:03] <andyrock> "fix"
[17:03] <andyrock> issue
[17:04] <andyrock> of course unity should not crash if the launcher can't fint the png assets
[17:04]  * popey tries
[17:04] <sil2100> popey: oh
[17:04] <sil2100> I always run cmake -DCMAKE_INSTAL_PREFIX=/usr ../
[17:06] <popey> and -j256 yeah?
[17:06] <andyrock> ahahh
[17:06] <popey> :þ
[17:06] <sil2100> I only have 4 :(
[17:06] <sil2100> ;p
[17:12] <andyrock> sil2100, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1062287
[17:12] <andyrock> that manual test has been removed in unity trunk and 6.0
[17:12] <popey> thanks andyrock will get it removed
[17:13] <popey> their test database is not up to date, will sync it
[17:13] <andyrock> popey, ah ok :)
[17:25] <andyrock> om26er, ping
[17:26] <om26er> andyrock, hey
[17:27] <andyrock> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/5.0/+bug/1036231/comments/15
[17:27] <andyrock> ubot5 is wrong :)
[17:28] <om26er> andyrock, yeah, what about that comment ?
[17:28] <om26er> andyrock, is that possible for you to work on a fix for precise?
[17:28] <andyrock> om26er, are you really sure that bugs affects unity/5.0 too?
[17:29] <andyrock> i don't have a precise machine ATM
[17:29] <om26er> well it should afaik it has been there since launcher was resizable,,
[17:29]  * om26er tries
[17:30] <om26er> yeah definitely there
[17:31] <om26er> its not that important, i just saw it was a one liner so though we should backport
[17:32] <andyrock> yeah i'll backport it :)
[17:32] <andyrock> thank you
[17:43] <MCR1> Trevinho: Thanx 4 approving my branches, but it seems now Jenkins has problems - I think they need re-approval (E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/atk1.0/libatk1.0-data_2.5.91-0ubuntu1_all.deb: 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80])


[01:32] <spasticteapot> I'm curious - why Gnome, and not, say, XFCE?
[01:33] <spasticteapot> XFCE is ALMOST as feature-rich as KDE or Gnome, and runs on next to nothing.
[01:33] <stdin> spasticteapot: huh?
[01:33] <stdin> XUbuntu runs xfce
[01:34] <spasticteapot> Yes, but why not make Ubuntu XFCE based?
[01:34] <spasticteapot> Or why not KDE, for that matter?
[01:34] <stdin> because gnome is the "simple" user friendly interface (apparently)
[01:35] <spasticteapot> Eh. XFCE is, IMO, even simpler.
[01:35] <spasticteapot> More importantly, it actually runs on cheap computers.
[01:35] <spasticteapot> I have a 1ghz Pentium M, and it rarely throttles above 600mhz.
[01:36] <stdin> xfce isn't as User Friendly and intuitive as Gnome (or KDE), from the new users POV
[01:37] <spasticteapot> Wha?
[01:37] <spasticteapot> Everyone I know who has tried XFCE says otherwise.
[01:39] <stdin> spasticteapot: from the X-Windows users POV gnome/kde is more familiar
[01:39] <spasticteapot> Windows users and Mac users will find XFCE much easier.
[01:40] <spasticteapot> Any anyone who knows old-school X-windows will be able to figure it out in no time.
[01:40] <spasticteapot> The big issue, though, is hardware footprint.
[01:40] <spasticteapot> Xubuntu, configured with a few tweaks, will run on a 400mhz Celeron with 192mb of RAM.
[01:42] <stdin> most windows users are (generalisation here) dumb, XP/vista users, and xfce is just too different to them
[01:43] <spasticteapot> XFCE has a "start menu" and program bar.
[01:44] <spasticteapot> It's almost exactly the same.
[02:10] <catid> has anyone gotten reiserfs4 encryption working?
[02:44] <catid> has anyone done filesystem encryption before?
[03:09] <binskipy2u> hey guys , anyone here use any OTHER distro and find that just installing beryl in ubuntu , beryl just works "well"
[03:09] <binskipy2u> and stable?
[03:09] <binskipy2u> <uses pclinuxos.. but ive heard beryl in ubuntu is more "stable"?
[03:10] <catid> hrm..  i've found that the latest Beryl with latest Ubuntu and latest kernel sometimes fails to start and must be manually reloaded on login
[03:10] <catid> it otherwise works well
[03:11] <catid> if you want to choose a O(1) scheduler to work with it, i've found CFSv7 is better than RSDL for interactivity right now with Beryl
[03:18] <nzk> Why is Ubuntu so ungodly slow for me?
[03:19] <nzk> Its fine and I open amarok, and my load average multiplies
[03:20] <Electricity> "Gusty Gibbon" ?!
[03:21] <spasticteapot> I don't know.
[03:21] <spasticteapot> nzk: Amarok loads up all sorts of KDE stuff.
[03:21] <spasticteapot> If you're not using KDE, it can be a bit of a resource hog.
[03:22] <spasticteapot> Also, you're probbably wanting to be in #ubuntu.
[03:23] <nzk> I'm banned.
[03:23] <nzk> Can I make it faster somehow?
[03:24] <spasticteapot> ....
[03:24] <spasticteapot> Banned?
[03:25] <nzk> Is there a way to make the system monitor in the menu bar show like 467/512 instead of the stupid graph?
[03:25] <macd> is there any way to use network manager to connect to a wireless network and not drop its wired link while doing so?
[03:27] <RAOF> macd: Not at the moment, no.
[03:27] <nzk> spasticteapot, Its a very long story.
[03:27] <RAOF> macd: But I believe that's a 0.7 feature target, so it'll probably be possible in GG
[03:28] <macd> yeah its needed, nice to be hard wires while fiddling with wifi connection
[03:28] <macd> I might see if there is any spec on LP for it
[03:29] <RAOF> macd: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerToDo
[03:29] <macd> excellent so thats an upstream todo
[03:30] <RAOF> Yes, totally.
[03:30] <RAOF> Also, it seems that most of the things on that todo list are actually done :)
[03:31] <nzk> Is there any way to bring down my RAM usage?
[03:33] <spasticteapot> nzk: Use exaile?
[03:34] <nzk> Huh?
[03:34] <spasticteapot> !exaile
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exaile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <spasticteapot> Fnord.
[03:34] <spasticteapot> It's a program like Amarok, but much lighter.
[03:34] <spasticteapot> Like XFCE vs. Gnome.
[03:34] <spasticteapot> It's also based on GTK+, so it'll run poifect on XFCE or Gnome.
[03:50] <nzk> Argh
[03:50] <nzk> I don't wanna have to switch to xfce
[03:51] <nzk> I have 512mb of ram, a 3.46ghz proc, and a ati 9800 radeon
[03:51] <nzk> Why is Ubuntu still slow...
[03:51] <nzk> I even closed beryl
[04:57] <catid> nzk: 512mb ram is a bit low for a lot of things you might be doing
[04:57] <nzk> Running xchat, gaim, and firefox?
[04:57] <RAOF> Firefox is not generally considered "light"
[04:58] <catid> yeah FF is kind of beeft
[04:58] <catid> nzk: do you have your system monitor applet running to see your memory usage?
[04:58] <nzk> Yeah
[04:59] <catid> is it all used?  like right now i'm almost using 512MB but then again doing more than you..
[05:00] <catid> RAOF: 2.6.21 with the CFS patch from IngoM is smoooooth <3
[05:03] <RAOF> catid: Heh.  My Gutsy VM will be set up tonight :)
[05:05] <catid> RAOF: is that what they're using too?
[05:05] <binskipy2u> hey guys, after installing fiesty, and if you choose beryl in synaptic, and it picks everything it needs
[05:05] <binskipy2u> and you install it, how well does it work?
[05:06] <catid> binskipy2u: great
[05:06] <binskipy2u> i know ubuntu is installed with "desktop effects"
[05:06] <binskipy2u> but thats NOT beryl?
[05:06] <RAOF> Works much better in #ubuntu-effects :)
[05:06] <binskipy2u> youll have to install beryl yourself
[05:06] <catid> binskipy2u: those effects are Compiz
[05:06] <RAOF> Indeed, not  beryl.
[05:06] <binskipy2u> so i just install beryl via synaptic and then start it up
[05:06] <catid> yes
[05:06] <binskipy2u> and thats it?
[05:06] <catid> you may also need to install "emerald" to theme it
[05:06] <Toma-> Galeon is a better alternative to Firefox on small RAM systems
[05:06] <binskipy2u> does beryl work with ati 9250 128mb 8xagp
[05:07] <RAOF> If "Desktop Effects" works, then Beryl will too.
[05:07] <RAOF> Becasue Beryl & Compiz are almost exactly the same thing.
[05:07] <catid> binskipy2u: i believe so
[05:07] <binskipy2u> one more question.. will it just work
[05:07] <binskipy2u> or must i go nuts installing any ati related drivers
[05:07] <catid> binskipy2u: it should just work yes, but you will be able to configure anything you don't like
[05:07] <binskipy2u> or does it use proprietary drivers
[05:08] <catid> binskipy2u: nah if you have opengl acceleration already it should work right away
[05:08] <RAOF> Proprietary drivers will make your life a whole lot harder.
[05:08] <binskipy2u> ok..thanks catid
[05:08] <binskipy2u> im using my fav distro now, but ubuntu when i used it, felt "right"
[05:08] <binskipy2u> if that makes any senes
[05:09] <binskipy2u> sense
[05:09] <catid> yes :)
[05:09] <catid> i know many people at school who run ubuntu
[05:09] <binskipy2u> plus you can not go wrong with such a huge community
[05:10] <catid> ubuntu has very good wiki documentation and you'll find the IRC channels to be pretty helpful
[05:11] <catid> if you like to tweak things you'll find it's not hard to change the way ubuntu works without tripping over packages
[05:11] <binskipy2u> i use pclinuxos now
[05:11] <binskipy2u> a very nice distro
[05:11] <binskipy2u> but ubuntu is just as nice but also more up2date
[05:11] <catid> what do you like about it?
[05:11] <binskipy2u> everythign just works
[05:12] <binskipy2u> i'm not into linux elitism
[05:12] <binskipy2u> i just want stuff to work
[05:12] <binskipy2u> lol
[05:13] <catid> feel free to feel superior to people who are destined to be owned by Microsoft when they're forced to upgrade to Vista in 5 years
[05:13] <binskipy2u> 5?
[05:13] <binskipy2u> you mean 2
[05:13] <catid> at least as far as digital rights go
[05:13] <catid> why 2?
[05:14] <binskipy2u> 2008
[05:14] <binskipy2u> late 2008
[05:14] <catid> is that when xp stops being supported?
[05:14] <binskipy2u> hold on let me get the correct info..
[05:15] <binskipy2u> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx
[05:15] <binskipy2u> jan 31 2009
[05:15] <catid> from personal experience i was able to run windows 2k about 5 years after xp before things stopped working
[05:15] <binskipy2u> all xp support ends
[05:16] <binskipy2u> from microsoft
[05:16] <catid> wow
[05:16] <binskipy2u> i'm sure itll "work" after that
[05:16] <binskipy2u> but no more updates
[05:16] <binskipy2u> security or otherwise
[05:16] <binskipy2u> by that time, perhaps, high end pcs of today that do run vista
[05:16] <binskipy2u> will be affordable for those with less then 2ghz dinosours
[05:16] <catid> so older pcs will have to run what?  linux and bsd?
[05:16] <binskipy2u> dinasours
[05:17] <binskipy2u> for the average person..who surfs net, edits a pic or 2, does a word document or any basic office stuff
[05:17] <binskipy2u> and burns a cd/dvd data
[05:17] <binskipy2u> or watches a dvd
[05:17] <binskipy2u> linux on a 1ghz computer
[05:17] <binskipy2u> is all they need
[05:17] <catid> yeah
[05:18] <binskipy2u> i have a 667 p3 sitting in my closet
[05:18] <catid> the industry is being justified by video games these days i think
[05:18] <binskipy2u> i'm sure i could ressurect that
[05:18] <catid> i mean, for faster and faster instead of smaller and cheaper
[05:18] <binskipy2u> if the top 10 video games were ported to linux and if there was good financial /tax software for linux
[05:18] <binskipy2u> windows would be obsolete
[05:18] <catid> yeah i ran into the tax problem this season too
[05:19] <binskipy2u> tax software "GOOD dvd authoring software"
[05:19] <binskipy2u> and gaming
[05:19] <binskipy2u> is what linux needs
[05:19] <catid> WINE support is not good for available apps either
[05:19] <binskipy2u> its "ok" barely
[05:19] <Toma-> Gnucash is pretty l33t
[05:19] <binskipy2u> depending on the app
[05:19] <binskipy2u> photoshop 7 runs nicely on wine
[05:19] <catid> Toma-: does it know about latest tax laws and things updated each year?
[05:20] <binskipy2u> instead of there being 500 distros
[05:20] <binskipy2u> there needs to be 50 SUPER windows killing programs
[05:20] <binskipy2u> instead
[05:20] <Toma-> catid: not too sure. latest release was on the 28th of april so its pretty up to date
[05:20] <catid> Toma-: i'll check that out when the last of my w-2's arrives
[05:21] <Toma-> catid: cool :) ontop of that, its FOSS, so you can always request a certain thing get included in the next release
[05:21] <catid> yeah i absolutely love software i don't need to pay for
[05:21] <catid> even better when it's not illegal..
[05:23] <catid> binskipy2u: for engineering students, linux is almost essential
[05:23] <binskipy2u> i have NO linux using friends
[05:23] <binskipy2u> NONE
[05:23] <binskipy2u> ive tried and tried
[05:23] <binskipy2u> even explained the benefits and what i feeel is the future of linux
[05:23] <binskipy2u> no go
[05:23] <Toma-> binskipy2u: give them time
[05:23] <binskipy2u> the ONLY mistake people make in switching is thinking Linux should work JUST like windows
[05:23] <catid> binskipy2u: to write software for wireless sensor networks we need to compile tinyos in a unix environment, for network simulation, ns-2 (with TCP-Linux extensions to make improvements to congestion avoidance algorithms)
[05:24] <Toma-> theyll see it more in the news and in time, theyll ask you for assistance
[05:24] <binskipy2u> well i dont mind giving SOME free assistance
[05:24] <catid> linux should work better than windows.. presently it doesn't in a lot of ways, though it can always be made to work better with effort
[05:24] <binskipy2u> but there's a point when people just want you to do all the work'
[05:25] <catid> binskipy2u: MATLAB and SPICE and all those other tools are native in Linux
[05:25] <catid> definitely a better toolset for engineers than windows
[05:29] <catid> i've been delighted to see that WINE support for direct3d has improved so much that i can run most of the demos from scene.org
[05:30] <catid> missed being able to watch those
[06:24] <dougie> wow already starting on another version
[06:25] <RAOF> You mean #ubuntu+1?  Yeah, starts up pretty much as soon as the previous version is released :)
[07:43] <binskipy2u> hey guys does beryl work "better" when using GNOME then KDE? or does that even matter?
[07:43] <Toma-> doesnt matter
[07:44] <Toma-> but use the KDE window decorator rather then the emerald one
[07:44] <binskipy2u> ok was just wondering
[07:44] <binskipy2u> if there's any performance stability difference between kde and gnome whenit comes to beryl
[07:45] <Toma-> beryl is beryl :D its going to be buggy anywhere
[08:11] <binskipy2u> hey guys, i am reading this on a "beryl and ati radeon" how-to.. anyone agree that this is a true statement>
[08:11] <binskipy2u> We will use the open-source ATI driver that comes with Ubuntu plus AIGLX to achieve this; the other way to do this would be to use the closed-source ATI driver together with XGL which seems to be a bit unstable.
[08:11] <binskipy2u> ?
[08:15] <crdlb> binskipy2u: this is the wrong channel for that
[08:15] <crdlb> but it depends on the card
[08:15] <binskipy2u> ati9250
[08:16] <binskipy2u> what is the "right channel"?
[08:16] <crdlb> #ubuntu-effects
[08:16] <crdlb> or #ubuntu
[08:16] <crdlb> unless you're running gutsy
[08:16] <crdlb> although #ubuntu-effects would still be fine in that case :)
[08:17] <crdlb> binskipy2u: I'd be glad to answer your question in #ubuntu-effects
[08:22] <arejay> for the love of god i think beagle is going to kill my laptop
[08:22] <arejay> :/
[08:24] <crdlb> arejay: tracker
[08:24] <crdlb> beagle sucks
[08:25] <arejay> crdlb: was starting to think that :)
[08:25] <crdlb> tracker will index all your files and it integrates with deskbar
[08:25] <crdlb> just like beagle
[08:25] <crdlb> it doesn't integrate with evolution, etc though yet
[08:26] <crdlb> but it's lightning-fast
[08:26] <arejay> does it intergrate with firefox?
[08:26] <crdlb> in what way?
[08:26] <crdlb> firefox bookmarks?
[08:26] <arejay> history/bookmarks
[08:26] <crdlb> isn't that deskbar's job?
[08:26] <crdlb> I don't think even beagle handles that directly
[08:27] <arejay> It seems to. I maybewrong
[08:40] <RAOF> crdlb: Beagle does, in that there's a Beagle Firefox extension.
[08:44] <crdlb> ugh
[08:44] <crdlb> well tracker doesn't
[08:45] <crdlb> yeah affinity is nice
[08:45] <crdlb> I know deskbar still integrates directly with epiphany
[08:45] <crdlb> using tracker
[08:46] <crdlb> which is all that matters to me
[08:52] <RAOF> crdlb: Using Tracker?  Really?
[08:53] <crdlb> I certainly get the ability to use ephy smart bookmarks for searching
[08:54] <crdlb> yep bookmarks too
[08:54] <RAOF> As do I
[08:55] <crdlb> at least that way you don't need both a mono and a python app running :)
[08:57] <RAOF> F-Spot, tomboy, banshee, beagle...?
[08:57] <crdlb> don't use them
[08:57] <crdlb> f-spot a little
[08:58] <crdlb> but that doesn't stay open and I haven't used it in a long time
[08:59] <crdlb> now that I have X using ram to augment my 32MB of vram, I can't afford mono on 512MB
[11:16] <ajmorris_> anybody run some gutsy gibbon updates yet?
[11:18] <gortiz> yep
[11:18] <ajmorris_> what u updated, i havn't found that many?
[11:18] <ajmorris_> like my login terminal says gutsy gibbon (development branch)
[11:19] <ajmorris_> and i have update the time zone app
[11:19] <gortiz> ajmorris_, there aren't yet a lot of updates..
[11:19] <ajmorris_> but apart from that don't know how many other apps are avaliable
[11:19] <ajmorris_> yeah i know
[11:19] <gortiz> yes and there are some update for evolution
[11:20] <ajmorris_> improved the microsoft exchange ability yet?
[11:20] <ajmorris_> in terms of not having to enter an OWA url for those exchange servers that don't use one
[11:22] <gortiz> mhmm.. there are some updates to gnomevfs2.. but i don't remeber them all.. take a look at the changelog
[01:55] <zancik> Who knows about limits on German autobahns?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> zancik: i think you were looking for #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:04] <zancik> ths
[03:31] <mikkael> when will the first alpha be released ?
[03:31] <stdin> mikkael: look at the topic
[03:31] <mikkael> oh theres a link
[03:32] <mikkael> thanks
[04:55] <ccnp> my sound card  is not work in ubuntu 7.4  it is  Adi 1981B SoundMAX  i need help
[04:55] <jussi01> ccnp: #ubuntu
[04:56] <ccnp> ok
[04:57] <crimsun> I have to run to class, but make sure the jack sense mixer elements are muted
[07:49] <omha> hey
[07:49] <omha> where does kernel 2.6.22 come from?
[07:50] <fowlduck-> see, first a mommy kernel and a daddy kernel get together....
[07:51] <linxeh> omha: the kernel fairy
[07:51] <linxeh> \o_
[07:52] <omha> oh, somebody is missing is teeth
[07:52] <omha> his*
[07:53] <omha> hmm didn't we get and email that it just was a clean/merged 2.6.21?
[07:58] <omha> "linux-source-2.6.22, which is 2.6.21 at the moment," i knew  2.6.22 sounded a little wired
[11:10] <catid> hello.. i have a major problem with the fan support in linux on my smp laptop with nvidia card.  the fastest fan mode is never used, so my graphics card overheats and passively throttles itself down to avoid death
[11:10] <catid> i have not found a way to set the fan speed myself.  i've read through acpi docs and played with lm-sensors
[11:11] <catid> there does not seem to be a /proc or /sys interface to the fan speed
[11:11] <catid> using apm instead of acpi doesn't help


[01:50] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's great stuff to know. When it's all built, I'll give it a whirl on Wednesday while I'm at work.
[01:51] <OvenWerks> It says it built about 5 hours ago.
[01:53] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh cool!
[01:54] <ErichEickmeyer> I'll give it a try then, but I don't have very good hardware with which to test here.
[01:54] <OvenWerks> It should work with any hardware :)
[01:54] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh, that's not the hardware I meant. I meant USB interfaces and such.
[01:55] <OvenWerks> I understand that, but as this is something that runs from session start it is good to make sure it does not trouble non-audio users as well
[01:56] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, sounds good.
[01:57] <ErichEickmeyer> I'm trying to migrate a website for a friend of mine at the same time, so I can't do too much restarting right now.
[01:57] <OvenWerks> no worries, testing as something that is running all the time and you should not notice it is there
[01:59] <ErichEickmeyer> Actually, two websites. They're very old wordpress sites that have been around for a while and have tens of thousands of posts, so database migration is taking quite some time.


[14:57] <balloons> kind of fun losing my nick for the holidays
[14:57] <balloons> good day to you all
[15:23] <dobey> hi
[15:23] <dobey> teward, elfy: also, there's pad.lv specifically for lp bug link shortening :)
[16:07] <rhuddie> elopio, hey, happy new year
[16:07] <elopio> hello rhuddie
[16:07] <elopio> happy new year to you too
[16:07] <rhuddie> elopio, thank you
[16:08] <elfy> hi balloons - welcome back :)
[16:08] <rhuddie> elopio, I am seeing a weird import error when I try to run the sanity suite
[16:09] <rhuddie> elopio, I don't think I'm doing anything different to before, but I may just have forgotten something :)
[16:09] <elopio> rhuddie: please paste the error.
[16:09] <rhuddie> elopio, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9677292/
[16:10] <rhuddie> its not finding the ubuntu_sanity_tests folder
[16:10] <rhuddie> although I am running from the root of the project
[16:10] <elopio> rhuddie: hum, thata used to happen when I ran adt with the wrong flags
[16:11] <elopio> rhuddie: how are you running the suite?
[16:11] <rhuddie> elopio, I'm doing: python3 -m ubuntu_sanity_tests.command_line
[16:11] <elopio> rhuddie: I'll refflash and give it a try.
[16:13] <rhuddie> elopio, it seems strange. I didn't see that problem before. Today I was just running tests with autopilot directly on the device, then reflashed device and then I got that problem when I tried to use adt-run.
[16:13] <rhuddie> elopio, I'm using mako on vivid
[16:20] <balloons> hey elfy :-)
[16:31] <elfy> balloons: just replied to your bug comment btw
[16:37] <elfy> no I hadn't ... I have now :)
[16:40] <balloons> elfy, ohh nice
[16:40] <balloons> so old bugs are missing info
[16:40] <elfy> no
[16:41] <elfy> seems to be new ones
[16:42] <balloons> across the board?
[16:42] <balloons> i thought i checked
[16:42] <balloons> that's a simple fix if so
[16:43] <elfy> 1395720 shows properly (24th Nov) 1400201 doesn't 8th Dec
[16:44] <elfy> for instance
[16:45] <balloons> well, alrighty then. i'll get the script going again
[16:48] <elfy> so it is that script dkessel pointed at then?
[16:50] <balloons> yes
[16:51] <dkessel> +1 ;)
[16:52] <elfy> woohoo
[16:52] <elfy> I guess could have done RT for it ...
[16:53] <teward> dobey: true, but the point still stands - using link shorteners for short links is pretty questionable
[16:53] <elopio> rhuddie: I'm not getting to that point. Gettint 404 error while getting the packages
[16:54] <balloons> elfy, you still can if u wish
[16:54] <elfy> nah - if it's getting done - fine by me
[16:55] <balloons> i hurt my wrist, so i'm the one arm typist atm
[16:55] <elfy> oh ...
[16:55] <elfy> so you're not *doing* it - just doing a ticket?
[16:55] <elfy> if so I can type :)
[16:55] <rhuddie> elopio, I think I saw the same thing, so made the image writable to get past that problem
[16:55] <balloons> lol.. i have to look, but it will likely be a ticket
[16:56] <elfy> balloons: I can do that for you :)
[16:56] <elopio> rhuddie: ah, I think that's why you get that error.
[16:57] <elopio> the command is for read-only. I think alesage had the same problem.
[16:57] <elopio> I'm not sure what's causing the 404
[16:57] <rhuddie> elopio, hmm ok... so the problem is how to deal with the 404 errors
[16:59] <elopio> rhuddie: well, the packages it is looking for are not on the archive it is using.
[16:59] <elopio> something is not up-to-date
[17:00] <elfy> balloons: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=25924
[17:17] <dobey> teward: sure. i wish the standard lp bug urls were always the short form (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1111111) though
[17:18] <teward> dobey: agreed - i do that a lot with by DEP3 tagging in patches
[17:18] <teward> but you're right
[17:19] <dobey> i mean, i wish lp itself wouldn't redirect to the /ubuntu/+source/$package/11111111 and the short form was always shown in the url bar in browser
[17:25] <teward> dobey: agreed, or offered a short-link "Share" button that copies the shortlink to the clipboard or something.  Oh well.
[17:30] <elopio> rhuddie: the rtm archives work ok. So maybe there's something wrong with the way adt configures the vivid archives.
[17:32] <elopio> oh wait, there's aa different problem in rtm.
[17:32] <elopio> how could it break during holidays?
[17:32] <rhuddie> elopio, the mystery deepens!
[17:33] <elopio> File "/usr/share/autopkgtest/python/VirtSubproc.py", line 170, in check_exec
[17:33] <elopio>     real_argv = auxverb + argv
[17:33] <elopio> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'NoneType' and 'list'
[17:33] <elopio> rhuddie: ^ I'm sure I didn't cause that :)
[17:33] <elopio> second time it worked.
[17:34] <elopio> curiouser and curiouser.
[17:37] <balloons> o/ douq5
[17:37] <balloons> hi doug5


[05:40] <pitti> Good morning
[06:02]  * pitti re-enables cron jobs, the uninstallabilities from last email report should all be gone now
[06:12] <pitti> ok, needs livecd-base first, which needs the linux kernel NEWed first, doing that now
[07:43] <pitti> cjwatson: sorry for the initial d-i FTBFS spam (NEWed kernel wasn't published yet), it's building now
[08:00] <ara> pitti, ping
[08:00] <pitti> hey ara, good morning!
[08:00] <ara> pitti, morning :-)
[08:00] <ara> pitti, quick question, for alpha-1, are we releasing only ubuntu alt?
[08:01] <pitti> ara: I don't know yet; I'm waiting for the publisher to get d-i updated, then I'll build a first set of images and see what breaks
[08:01] <ara> pitti, OK, thanks. Please, keep me posted :-)
[08:01] <pitti> ara: if they build and work, I think we should release desktops, too; they're great for testing on various hw, etc.
[08:01] <ara> pitti, what about other flavours?
[08:02] <pitti> I expect at least Kubuntu, not sure about the others
[08:02] <pitti> (and server)
[08:02] <ara> pitti, OK, thanks!
[08:02] <pitti> I guess we'll build them all, post them to the tracker, and see what sticks?
[08:02] <pitti> is that ok with you?
[08:02] <ara> pitti, sure, if they build... :)
[09:02] <pitti> ah, live cd base finally built
[09:03]  * pitti boldly starts an ubuntu live build
[09:08] <pitti> meh, failed with an empty log
[09:08] <pitti> cjwatson: do you know why http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20100531.1/source/ also has a lucid-src?
[09:25] <pitti> ok, missioncontrol uninstallability sorted out
[09:26] <pitti> but what I don't understand is why the daily ubuntu and server .isos don't show up, just their reports.html
[09:49] <pitti> cjwatson: FTR, all "Release minus 6 days" stuff should be done now, except the marketing team bit
[09:59] <pitti> so, I fixed the seeds for the -5 kernel, but that shouldn't stop cron.daily from building at least a broken iso, or does it?
[10:01] <pitti> ah, seems it does, sorry
[10:01] <pitti> debian-installer has kernel ABI 2.6.34-5-generic, but no corresponding udebs are on the CD!
[10:01] <pitti> make: *** [/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu/daily/tmp/maverick-amd64/bootable-stamp] Error 1
[11:16] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20100531.2/ for your testing pleasure
[11:16] <pitti> ara: ^FYI
[11:16]  * pitti rsyncs and does a smoketest first
[11:16] <ara> pitti, thanks
[11:16] <pitti> ara: I grab the amd64 one, just to see how far we'll get with a default install
[11:17] <ara> pitti, OK, I'll do the i386 one
[11:27] <pitti> ttx: FYI, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20100531.1/ is the first maverick server build ever; mind doing a quick smoketest? (or delegating to someone :) )
[11:28] <pitti> I don't know why lucid images are there as well
[11:30] <pitti> ara, all: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100531/ good for first smoketest (beware, oversized)
[11:30] <ara> pitti, OK, thanks. I will start syncing
[11:32] <pitti> I'll drop langpacks for tomorrow's daily
[11:42] <pitti> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20100531/ -> for first smoketest
[11:42] <pitti> building kubuntu desktop now
[12:28] <ttx> pitti: sure
[12:40] <ara> pitti, alt i386 installs correctly and reboots correctly (spanish; no-network)
[12:45] <pitti> ara: thanks; desktop doesn't start for me, hangs forever on usplash; will have a look after lunch
[12:46] <ara> pitti, same thing here (i386)
[12:49] <ttx> pitti: anything special to explain the suddenly oversized CD ? Looking at the package list I don't see anything that would explain +30Mb
[12:56]  * ttx will dig deeper when the ISO will be downloaded
[13:31] <pitti> ara: ah, booting without splash/quiet reveals it: kernel oops in aufs
[13:32]  * pitti files bug
[13:33] <ara> pitti, cool, thanks
[13:45] <ttx> pitti: tracked sudden size inflation it down to pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.34-5-virtual_2.6.34-5.12_amd64.deb
[13:46] <ttx> 12110 -r--r--r--  4 root root 12399730 2010-04-16 16:05 pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.32-21-virtual_2.6.32-21.32_amd64.deb
[13:46] <ttx> 31782 -r--r--r-- 2 root root 32544062 2010-05-31 08:05 pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.34-5-virtual_2.6.34-5.12_amd64.deb
[13:46] <ttx> it's no longer a leaner kernel :)
[13:51] <pitti> ara_: filed as bug 587888 FYI, for the kernel team's enjoyment
[13:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 587888 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "aufs oops in au_do_open() on maverick live system boot (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587888
[13:51]  * pitti waves to apw
[13:55] <ttx> pitti: filed bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/587893
[13:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 587893 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-image-2.6.34-5-virtual is oversized, results in oversized server ISO (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[13:55] <ttx> pitti: is an oversized CD a blocker for alpha1 ?
[13:56] <pitti> ttx: well, not a really critical one, but this seems easy to fix
[13:56] <pitti> looks like a bad dependency in a metapackage somewhere?
[13:57] <pitti> ttx: oh, misunderstood you -- I thought you used ls on the CD pool/ to show that the CD now ships two kernels (lucid and maverick)
[13:58] <ttx> pitti: no, it's just the -virtual kernel that more than doubled in size
[13:58] <ttx> it may or may not be simple
[13:58] <pitti> right
[13:58] <ttx> pitti: I'll talk to john about it tomorrow, but if you want it fixed you should also mark it against alpha1
[13:59] <pitti> ttx: is there something else we could temporarily take off the CD?
[13:59] <ttx> nothing easy that would spare us ~20Mb.
[14:10] <doko> ubuntu-archive: please accept llvm-2.7 in NEW
[15:00] <ttx> pitti: server CD mostly in good shape, spotted a syntax error when logging in
[15:01] <pitti> ttx: not bad for the very first maverick image ever
[15:01] <ttx> some bash-completion issue, will file bug
[15:12] <ttx> ev: bug 587910
[15:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 587910 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "[maverick] Syntax error in bash-completion.d/apt prints ugly messages at every login (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587910
[15:45] <ScottK> cjwatson: Around?
[16:44] <ogra> pitti, please skip arm images for A1 (or even dailies) we're re-rolling the build scripts for omap between A1 and A2
[16:44] <pitti> ogra: right, they have a horrible list of uninstallability anyway
[16:44] <ogra> oh ?
[16:45]  * ogra doesnt see anything image relevant on the ftbfs list
[16:46] <ogra> hmm, but i also dont see any ubuntu-netbook build logs for maverick
[16:47] <pitti> ogra: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html
[16:47] <pitti> ogra: although most of it should just be Kubuntu due to a very low-level package (qt?)
[16:47] <ogra> right
[16:47] <ogra> there is nothing on the list that would prevent the armel netbook image on a quick look
[16:49] <ogra> (no armel under netbook-meta)
[18:32] <ScottK> qt4-x11 just got fixed on armel, so KDE should be buildable now, it's just a question of how long it will take.
[18:34] <ScottK> Speaking of which, pitti: would you please rescore phonon on armel?
[18:52] <pitti> ScottK: done
[18:53] <ScottK> pitti: Thanks.
[18:53]  * ScottK is going to see how far he can get on getting the stack built....


[09:59] <Narcis> hi all ! :D
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[11:10] <Guest89938> how to use my laptop internet as wifi so that i can use in my android phone


[02:02] <wgrant> spm: Around?
[02:02] <spm> wgrant: yarp, sup?
[02:03] <spm> it always worries me, when a fast response is followed by a long pause. implies "zomg lots of typing problem coming right up"
[02:04] <wgrant> spm: I'm working on Soyuz ddeb support, and I'd like to confirm that there aren't already any in the DB, because if any are there then they are broken.
[02:04] <wgrant> I am hoping that 'SELECT COUNT(*) FROM binarypackagefile WHERE filetype=4;' will return 0.
[02:04] <spm> hope, springs eternal...
[02:05] <spm> wgrant: sadly in this case, it does spring eternal. count == 16
[02:05] <wgrant> Crap.
[02:06] <spm> doing a Q&D sel *; suggests they may be related in some way; all are nearly sequential libraryfile
[02:10] <wgrant> spm: SELECT person.name, archive.name, libraryfilealias.filename FROM binarypackagefile JOIN libraryfilealias ON libraryfilealias.id = binarypackagefile.libraryfile JOIN binarypackagerelease ON binarypackagefile.binarypackagerelease = binarypackagerelease.id JOIN binarypackagebuild ON binarypackagebuild.id = binarypackagerelease.build JOIN packagebuild ON packagebuild.id = binarypackagebuild.package_build JOIN archive ON archive.id = ...
[02:10] <wgrant> ... packagebuild.archive JOIN person ON person.id = archive.owner WHERE binarypackagefile.filetype = 4;
[02:11] <spm> wgrant: hrm. I dunno. surely you can fit a *few* more joins in there???
[02:12] <wgrant> Heh, probably.
[02:12]  * spm remembers fondly the 16+ join we had at #job-1
[02:12] <spm> huh. yes. nicely guessed, same pacakges. will paste...
[02:13] <spm> wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/462294/
[02:13] <wgrant> Craaaaaap primary archive.
[02:13] <wgrant> At least it's only one build.
[02:14] <wgrant> Thanks.
[02:14] <spm> np
[02:15] <spm> wgrant: so, in laymans terms - what does that actually mean/imply. that it's broken, sure - but what does that imply?
[02:15] <wgrant> Oh, they were all rejected, anyway.
[02:15] <wgrant> So there may not be any DB surgery required later on.
[02:16] <spm> lack of DB surgery is always welcome :-)
[02:16] <wgrant> spm: Basically, ddebs must always be linked to a deb, or they get lost and float around in space forever.
[02:16] <spm> chewup librarian space? or worse?
[02:16] <wgrant> Stay around in the archive forever, basically.
[02:16] <wgrant> And chew up librarian space, I guess, yes.
[02:17] <spm> this would be uncool on both fronts.
[02:17] <wgrant> Now, of course, ddebs have been accepted for a year or so, but the code to link them was never written.
[02:17] <spm> ahhh! I see. mucch becomes clearer.
[02:19] <wgrant> But in this case they never made it into the archive, so we are reasonably OK.
[02:21] <spm> kk
[08:58] <lifeless> wgrant: hi
[08:58] <lifeless> this sort of VWS drives me batty:
[08:58] <wgrant> lifeless: Hi.
[08:58] <lifeless> +        self.debug("Dominating packages...")
[08:58] <lifeless> +
[08:58] <lifeless> +        for name in pubs.keys():
[08:58] <wgrant> Oy, 'Work in progress' :P
[08:59] <lifeless> please see PEP8 :) - only do that when there is a significant difference mid-function
[08:59] <lifeless> wgrant: 'proposed for merging' -> instant review for you
[09:02] <wgrant> bigjools: Hi. When you have a moment, I'd like to discuss ddebs.
[09:02] <elmo> wgrant: or your money back!
[09:03] <wgrant> Heh/
[09:04] <wgrant> Also, it'd be reallly nice if launchpad-bugs-owner would stop spamming me.
[09:04] <lifeless> yes
[09:04] <lifeless> uhm
[09:04] <lifeless> I think matsubara was doing something about that; I'm sure he's here somewhere ;)
[09:06] <matsubara> lifeless, wgrant: I found out why and described how to fix in the thread. I didn't do it because I don't have the permission
[09:06] <thumper> what is VWS?
[09:06] <lifeless> matsubara: what permission is needed?
[09:06] <lifeless> thumper: vertical white space
[09:06] <wgrant> thumper: Vertical whitespace.
[09:06] <wgrant> matsubara: There was a thread?
[09:06] <lifeless> wgrant: internally, I think
[09:07] <wgrant> Ah, there.
[09:07] <matsubara> lifeless, I think lp admin. we just need to remove ~launchpad as the default review team IIRC
[09:07] <wgrant> No, it was on the public one.
[09:07] <matsubara> yeah, I think it's in lp-dev
[09:07] <lifeless> matsubara: on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel ?
[09:08] <lifeless> hmm, we should change the owner to a steering team too.
[09:08] <lifeless> matsubara: who should it be ?
[09:08] <matsubara> lifeless, ~launchpad-reviewers seems to be the correct choice
[09:09] <bigjools> wgrant: ok, although I'm not sure when I will have time when you're awake
[09:09] <lifeless> mthaddon: can you change the default reviewer on lp devel, db-devel, production etc etc etc to be launchpad-reviewers? thanks.
[09:10] <mthaddon> sure
[09:10] <lifeless> I can rt it if needed.
[09:11] <mthaddon> np
[09:12] <mthaddon> lifeless: just the "-devel" branches, I assume - not needed for the "-stable" branches. If so, done
[09:13] <lifeless> mthaddon: thats a great start; we can deal with future glitches as needed
[09:13] <mthaddon> k
[09:13] <lifeless> wgrant: ^
[09:13] <wgrant> lifeless, mthaddon, matsubara: Thanks.
[09:14] <wgrant> bigjools: Yeah, I suspected as much.
[09:14] <bigjools> it's probably best to send me an email
[09:14] <Aju> Hi!
[09:16] <Aju> While installation of lauchpad on my development machine, I am receiving the following error:
[09:16] <Aju> * Creating database "launchpad_empty".
[09:16] <Aju> * Installing PL/PythonU
[09:16] <Aju> createlang: language installation failed: ERROR:  could not access file "$libdir/plpython": No such file or directory
[09:16] <Aju> make[1]: *** [create] Error 1
[09:16] <Aju> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/launchpad/lp-branches/devel/database/schema'
[09:16] <Aju> make: *** [schema] Error 2
[09:16] <wgrant> bigjools: Sure.
[09:16] <Aju> Please help.
[09:16] <wgrant> Aju: Install postgresql-plpython-8.4
[09:16] <Aju> It's already installed.
[09:17] <Aju> I have checked it.
[09:17] <wgrant> 8.4, not just 8.3?
[09:17] <Aju> Yes 8.4 ver.
[09:17] <wgrant> Do you have PostgreSQL 8.3 installed?
[09:17] <Aju> Yes
[09:18] <Aju> Do both versions conflict?
[09:18] <wgrant> Maybe it's using that. Do you have both postgresql-plpython-8.3 and postgresql-plpython-8.4 installed?
[09:18] <Aju> Let me check that.
[09:20] <Aju> Thanks a lot, it works.
[09:22] <Aju> Do I have to run the make schema script again?
[09:22] <Aju> I have just fired the command:
[09:22] <Aju> sudo -u postgres make create
[09:25] <wgrant> You should run 'make schema' again, yes.
[09:25] <Aju> Okay, thanks.
[09:55] <Aju> Hi!
[09:55] <Aju> I am receiving the following error, while running the 'make schema' command:
[09:55] <Aju> 2010-07-12 14:09:31 WARNING No permissions specified for [u'public.openidnonce', u'public.openidauthorization']
[09:55] <Aju> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:55] <Aju>   File "security.py", line 413, in <module>
[09:55] <Aju>     sys.exit(main(options))
[09:55] <Aju>   File "security.py", line 179, in main
[09:55] <Aju>     reset_permissions(con, config, options)
[09:55] <Aju>   File "security.py", line 394, in reset_permissions
[09:55] <Aju>     con.commit()
[09:55] <Aju> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: server closed the connection unexpectedly
[09:55] <Aju>         This probably means the server terminated abnormally
[09:55] <Aju>         before or while processing the request.
[09:55] <Aju> make[1]: *** [create] Error 1
[09:55] <Aju> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/launchpad/lp-branches/devel/database/schema'
[09:55] <Aju> make: *** [schema] Error 2
[10:05] <jtv> Aju: we're all sprinting right now, so a bit busy!  Sounds like your postgres is having a problem.
[10:12] <Aju> Okay, thanks
[11:04] <wgrant> sinzui: Should the error message shown when a package is not found be adjusted?
[11:04] <wgrant> At the moment it tells people to file bugs.
[11:04] <wgrant> But they are inevitably rejected.
[11:13] <sinzui> wgrant, yes in short. I ponder removing fedora and gentoo to wrong expectation
[11:15] <sinzui> wgrant, yes in short. I ponder removing fedora and gentoo to avoid setting wrong expectation
[11:16] <wgrant> sinzui: Removing the distributions? That doesn't seem like a good idea.
[14:28] <poolie> mthaddon, is it just me (or just this network) or are we getting a lot of 500s on the librarian?
[14:31] <mthaddon> poolie: let me take a look
[14:34] <mthaddon> not seeing a lot of 500s
[14:49] <poolie> mthaddon, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/604620
[14:49] <_mup_> Bug #604620: intermittent 404 errors on existing librarian files <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/604620>
[15:07] <mthaddon> thx
[15:46] <jml> thumper, I'm going to delete "19881 branches associated with bug reports" from the code.launchpad.net homepage. Objections?
[16:10] <thumper> nope
[16:10] <thumper> jml: ^^^
[16:10] <jml> thumper, thanks.
[16:12] <StevenK> jml: Where are you hiding?
[16:12] <jml> StevenK, it's on the unsprint whiteboard
[16:12] <jml> StevenK, I can't remember how to spell it.
[16:13] <StevenK> jml: But I do want to talk to you about stuff you're working on
[16:13] <jml> StevenK, then come in and let's talk :)
[16:35] <mpt> So, there are now 12 bug statuses
[16:38] <mpt> I'm still hopeful that one day we'll have only six :-)