[00:12] <Azelphur> hamitron, yup
[00:12] <Azelphur> I'm being DoS'd
[00:12] <Azelphur> finally managed to get that far :(
[00:12] <Azelphur> now I need to figure out how to iptables block it
[00:12] <hamitron> will be hard if they are from different IP :/
[00:14] <Azelphur> hamitron, nope
[00:14] <Azelphur> all the same IP
[00:14] <Azelphur> good point I can just filter the IP
[00:14] <Azelphur> some kiddie from canada
[00:14] <Azelphur> I'mma mail his abuseΩ
[00:15] <hamitron> :)
[00:54] <Nafallo> DoS != DDoS ;-)
[01:12] <HazRPG> ^^
[01:13] <ali1234> ...it's not DDoS if it's all the same IP...
[01:14] <ali1234> also @ fail... using synergy by any chance?
[01:17] <HazRPG> indeed
[01:18] <HazRPG> also, Hi #ubuntu-uk :)
[02:03] <Azelphur> hamitron, my servers back to life :D
[02:03] <Azelphur> and the 4chan hornets are descending on the perp
[02:03] <Azelphur> I'd hate to be him right now.
[02:04] <hamitron> :)
[02:04] <hamitron> Azelphur: I wish I was a fly on the wall
[02:05] <Azelphur> hamitron, you can be, it's all going down in my channel
[02:05] <Azelphur> they've got his real name, twitter account, telephone number
[02:05] <Azelphur> they've been trying to call but it's busy so far
[02:05] <Azelphur> so the real fun is no doubt on the way
[02:05] <hamitron> :)
[02:05] <hamitron> is it just a script kiddy?
[02:05] <Azelphur> yup
[04:29] <HazRPG> is there a way to rename a username that's been registered on IRC?
[04:30] <HazRPG> because I have HazRPG and HazRPG-Desktop both linked together
[04:30] <HazRPG> but I want to get rid of the HazRPG-Desktop one (since it's technically the main one, I want HazRPG to be the main one)
[04:31] <HazRPG> scratch that, nickserv has told me ^^
[04:31] <rww> /msg nickserv identify to the account you don't want to keep, /msg nickserv drop it, /nick to it, /msg nickserv identify to the one you do want to keep, /msg nickserv group
[04:31] <rww> ah, beaten by a bot :(
[04:32] <HazRPG> ^^ thanks though - I love the ubuntu community because they're so awesome :)
[04:35] <HazRPG> hmm, won't drop it lol
[04:37] <HazRPG> "Nick HazRPG-Desktop is your account name; you may not remove it."
[04:38] <rww> odd. try /msg nickserv drop HazRPG-Desktop yourpasswordhere
[04:38] <HazRPG> (notice) Account HazRPG-Desktop has 1 other nick(s) grouped to it, remove those first.
[04:39] <HazRPG> how odd
[04:39] <HazRPG> seems I need to first ungroup HazRPG first before I can do that :s
[04:39] <rww> oh, I thought they were two different accounts
[04:39] <rww> if they're already grouped together, /msg nickserv set accountname hazrpg
[04:41] <HazRPG> woot!
[04:41] <HazRPG> think i fixed it :D
[04:42] <HazRPG> thanks kindly for your help :)
[04:47] <HazRPG> How many nicks are you actually limited to on IRC using this grouping method?
[04:48] <rww> #freenode might know the exact number. More than 8, if memory serves.
[04:50] <HazRPG> awesome
[04:50] <HazRPG> only really need HazRPG
[04:50] <HazRPG> only had HazRPG-Desktop because I was loggin in from my laptop and Desktop, but I don't do that anymore
[05:01] <HazRPG> Hmm, why does empathy not let you view a room list for IRC?
[05:02] <rww> because empathy is not a good IRC client :(
[05:02] <rww> try /msg alis help list
[05:02] <rww> (which is actually better anyway; /list tends to flood you off if you typo)
[05:03] <HazRPG> pidgin just lists them all xD
[05:03] <HazRPG> which is a pain
[05:04] <HazRPG> what's a decent GUI IRC client for ubuntu?
[05:04] <HazRPG> currently got ubuntu/windows running side by side now
[05:15] <hazrpg_> test
[05:33] <hcfd> Hey guys. I currently have two RAID1 arrays setup, and Ubuntu 10.10 on its own 80GB disk. I gave it 3GB for swap and the rest for /. I have a spare 80GB disk now and would like to move my entire Ubuntu / to a RAID1 array. Any thoughts on how best to do this, considering that I turned on home folder encryption?
[05:34] <hcfd> A high level overview is all I'm after, not the step by step instructions. Thanks.
[05:37] <hcfd> I would guess that I need to setup the spare disk first, give it a partition for /boot, one for swap, one for / (as RAID fd autodetect), then start this as a degraded RAID1 array, cp my boot folder to to the boot partition, cp / to /, minus the boot folder, use the Ubuntu CD to boot the system and update grub, making the new disk bootable. Then add my current disk to the RAID1?
[05:38] <hcfd> Oh, and a bit of fstab editing after copying / over.
[05:38] <hcfd> Thoughts, anyone?
[07:12] <daubers> Morning
[07:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:25] <Myrtti> moin
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:31] <diplo> Morning
[08:41] <DJones> Morning all
[09:03] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[09:03] <MooDoo> morning
[09:04] <DJones> Morning BigRedS MooDoo
[09:04]  * BigRedS has just remembered he was supposed to bring some coffee in this morning :(
[09:04] <jpds> Morning.
[09:07] <dutchie> morning
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning dutch
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning dutchie
[09:07] <MooDoo> :)
[09:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey everyone! czajkowski has lost her voice!  I have some confusion over the naming scheme for the new array, which has 1 disk out of 2.
[10:25] <niall> I created it as /dev/md0 but mdstat --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf output /dev/md/d0 instead
[10:26] <niall> Not sure what to put in 40_custom for GRUB now. Any ideas?
[10:26] <niall> Initial trial boot didn't work.. not sure if that's a naming problem or the fact that it's a degraded array, having only one disk. I plan to later add the original single OS drive.
[10:27] <niall> Made new initramfs and installed grub to the new raid member /dev/sdc, after chrooting into it and updating the 40_custom and fstab.
[10:28] <niall> I have a tutorial for Arch Linux open which seems right on the money but is using GRUB 1, and it does have notes for Ubuntu, so I followed those obviously.
[10:29] <ali1234> arch... everywhere
[10:29] <ali1234> flavour of 2011
[10:29] <ali1234> i might install it next time i have nothing to do
[10:29] <niall> I'm only one or two steps away from booting this. Changed BIOS order and thought it was working but turns out it didn't boot the new raid, it booted the original disk after first disk failed. I expect grub can't see the root device, /dev/md0
[10:30] <niall> ali1234, never tried it, I'm just using the guide as it is well written and comprehensive.. though perhaps not up to date for my particular situation.
[10:31] <ali1234> tried finding a guide for ubuntu?
[10:31] <niall> I did. All wayy outdated.
[10:32] <niall> I just don't get why what was created and running as md0 is now md/d0 or md_d0 depending on what is looking at it.
[10:32] <niall> Not sure how grub sees it.. which I think is the only issue. I suppose I could trial and error it till it works.
[10:32] <ali1234> whats the difference?
[10:32] <ali1234> grub has tab completion.. go to grub shell and try that
[10:33] <niall> There's an idea!
[10:33] <niall> I'm a long-time Slack user accustomed to LILO... I just didn't think of that.
[10:33] <niall> Will try it.
[10:33] <niall> Thanks.
[10:43] <DJones> Interesting, £98 refurbished pc's using Linux to be made available to get people online http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/364411/lane-fox-to-sell-98-pcs-to-the-have-nots
[10:45] <ali1234> "A computer? Very nice dear! Put in the corner with the unused mobile phone, smoke alarm, Freeview box ..."
[10:48] <MooDoo> ali1234: sounds like my gran :)
[10:48] <MooDoo> ali1234: "ooooo a computer.....will it warm my slippers?" :)
[10:48] <popey> my mum uses hers
[10:49] <MooDoo> popey: your mum is famed for using hers....mumbuntu! :)
[10:49] <dogmatic69> my mom runs ubuntu :D
[10:49] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: mom?  you american?
[10:49] <MooDoo> :p
[10:49] <dogmatic69> no
[10:49] <MooDoo> hehe just being silly :)
[10:49] <dogmatic69> from south africa, but living in birmingham :)
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: Rage time :) http://twitter.com/#!/KerryHomeopath/status/28068864126
[10:52] <ali1234> i lost
[10:53] <freckle> MartijnVdS: I think her brain must be 100% water
[10:53] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: sigh eh :)
[10:53] <Laney> I tried to explain having more than 4 channels on her new TV to my gran
[10:53] <Laney> didn't work :'(
[10:53] <MooDoo> Laney: as long as there is snooker on the telly my gran is ok :D
[10:53] <diplo> Just finished :(
[10:54] <Laney> anything involving royalty or flowers or singing hymns
[10:54] <ali1234> i gave my mum a netbook with UNR on it, she was incredibly confused by the window menu being in the wrong place
[10:54] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: AARGGGHH!
[10:54] <ali1234> and so was I
[10:55] <daubers> Morning
[10:57] <screen-x> mornign daubers
[10:57] <Matto_Destiny> Good morning all
[10:57] <screen-x> \o Matto_Destiny
[10:57]  * daubers is sat in traffic on the m4
[10:57] <Matto_Destiny> Hi screen-x
[10:58] <screen-x> daubers: :(
[10:58] <screen-x> daubers: which was are you supposed to be going?
[10:58] <screen-x> *way
[10:58] <daubers> screen-x: Heading into London
[10:58] <Matto_Destiny> I have a Question, I work with Mysql & ubuntu, i am always running into casr sensitive issues. 1) is Ubuntu likely to sort this issue and 2) is there a way round it. Thankyou
[10:59]  * DJones hates Atheros 2413 wireless & WPA, stupid thing will only connect about 20% of the time
[10:59] <BigRedS> Matto_Destiny: what is 'this issue'?
[10:59] <BigRedS> MySQL and Ubuntu, and most of the rest of what you're likely to be running, will alwasy be case-sensitive
[11:00] <BigRedS> that's viewed by many people as a feature, rather than a proble - you're likely to find that the way round it is to get used to it :)
[11:00] <ali1234> mysql isn't case sensitive, it doesn't care if you put "SELECT" or "select" or whatever
[11:00] <ali1234> a lot of badly written php code won't work on a case sensitive FS however
[11:00] <ali1234> but then, bad php code is bad
[11:00] <daubers> ali1234: It is with table names and columns
[11:00] <BigRedS> Oh yeah, that bit isn't. That's a good point. (that's also why I get told off for all-lower-case sql)
[11:01] <Matto_Destiny> yes daubers thats what i meant
[11:01] <ali1234> SQL is pretty unreadable at the best of time... all caps commands helps a bit
[11:02] <ali1234> are there any DB engines that aren't case sensitive for table and column names??
[11:02] <Matto_Destiny> well for example Windows doesnt have the issue
[11:03] <BigRedS> I find sensible quoting helps almost as well, without filling my screen with all caps
[11:03] <Matto_Destiny> it doesnt seem to case if its Caps or lower
[11:03] <BigRedS> Matto_Destiny: Windows is case-insensitive. It's not an 'issue' on either system, it's just two different ways of doing it
[11:03] <BigRedS> Matto_Destiny: though MySQL (and MSSQL) on Windows is case-sensitive on table and field names
[11:03] <daubers> It poxy well should be cse sensitive
[11:04] <daubers> In most languages x != X
[11:04] <Matto_Destiny> ok thought i'd ask anyways, i will keep hounding the project lead to keep changing his code to accomodate it. Thanks anyways
[11:05] <ali1234> always write code that works on case sensitive systems but assumes the system is not case sensitive... it isn't hard...
[11:05] <daubers> Matto_Destiny: if it causes you problems write a parsser to ensure correct casing
[11:06] <Matto_Destiny> he does anyways for all platform, i was just asking for me
[11:06] <ali1234> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/identifier-case-sensitivity.html
[11:06] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmm
[11:07] <ali1234> " the case         sensitivity of the underlying operating system plays a part in         the case sensitivity of database and table names. This means         database and table names are not case sensitive in Windows, and         case sensitive in most varieties of Unix."
[11:07] <bigcalm> There is an exceedingly bright disc in the sky. It hurts to look at. What the heck is it?
[11:07] <DJones> bigcalm: UFO, the aliens are coming to get you
[11:07] <ali1234> also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/server-system-variables.html#sysvar_lower_case_table_names
[11:07] <ali1234> so you can fix it like this
[11:07] <freckle> is it David Camerons ass?
[11:07] <Matto_Destiny> ok :)
[11:08] <ali1234> you will have to rebuild the DB though I guess
[11:08] <ali1234> but you can do that with mysqldump
[11:08] <Matto_Destiny> yeah np
[11:09] <ali1234> but i would recommend you just clobber the DBA who thought capitalising the table and row names was a good idea
[11:09] <BigRedS> ali1234: I've worked on a couple of systems where table and row names were all capitalised, and all sql commands were lower-case
[11:10] <ali1234> well... that's just crazy
[11:10] <Matto_Destiny> hehe, its a crazy world
[11:10] <BigRedS> nah, just do everything in caps-lock :)
[11:10] <davmor2> morning all
[11:10] <MooDoo> BigRedS: Or LiKe ThIs :)
[11:10] <davmor2>  prods czajkowski as she can't shout at him :D
[11:10] <BigRedS> but, yeah, confused the hell out of me for the first couple of hours. I think that's when I stopped bothering with capitalisation in SQL
[11:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: she's sulking i think :)
[11:11] <BigRedS> MooDoo: haha
[11:12]  * screen-x is getting annoyed with vmware, tried to convert a disk image for use with kvm, but the resultant image is an old snapshot.
[11:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: online in a morning not seen that for a couple of weeks at least
[11:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: i've swapped a shift today with a collegue so for today at least i'm in 8 - 4:30
[11:15] <davmor2> nice then the rest of the week at 4:30 till 0:00 or something weird
[11:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: might be able to work from 8am tomorrow, but yeah reast of week 3:40 - midnight
[11:20] <livingdaylight> good moerning
[11:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: will give me chance to benchmar ubuntu and my new SSD :)
[11:21] <davmor2> livingdaylight: morning
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice
[11:22] <livingdaylight> davmor2, rainy one here
[11:22]  * czajkowski sends davmor2 and MooDoo to the bold corned
[11:22] <czajkowski> *corner
[11:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: feel bold today no verbal abuse off you ;)
[11:24] <MooDoo> czajkowski: *is this bold enough*
[11:24] <MooDoo> rats didn't work
[11:24] <livingdaylight> anyone using Android recommend a particular app for reading .mobi files?
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: calibre
[11:25] <DJones> livingdaylight: I think FBreader can access .mobi files (but not 100% certain)
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: they're e-books, right?
[11:25] <livingdaylight> this particular one is a .mobi file some are epubs
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: calibre :)
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> it's _the_ ebook app
[11:25] <livingdaylight> kewl :)
[11:25] <MooDoo> czajkowski: davmor2 is this bold enough
[11:26] <livingdaylight> not a huge fan of Amazon or their proprietary Kindle
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: calibre talks to kindle :)
[11:26] <davmor2> Moodoo no but this should be
[11:27] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, £1.88?
[11:27] <DJones> livingdaylight: FBReader can read non-DRM'd mobipocket files according to http://www.fbreader.org/docs/formats.php
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: uh? calibre is free.. apt-get install calibre
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[11:28] <DJones> MartijnVdS: He asked about android
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> Calibre on the desktop
[11:28] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, sorry, I know its not directly linux related, but was referring to Android
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> DJones: I'm confused by this being an Ubuntu channel and my window not being tall enough :)
[11:28] <DJones> Heh
[11:29] <livingdaylight> DJones, thx
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> well.. you can find _any_ ebook app you want, and convert .mobi to epub using calibre on the desktop .. :)
[11:29] <DJones> livingdaylight: Try FBReader, thats free & seems like it reads mobipocket files, or install calibre on Ubuntu & convert the ebook to whatever format you want
[11:29] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, great, its good to know anyway
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: I use it to upload  books to my sony ebook reader
[11:31] <MooDoo> czajkowski: what's you're phone number i'm half tempted to ring you just to see how husky ;) lol
[11:31] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, its good to know. Just installing it on Desktop now - will no doubt come in handy
[11:41] <BigRedS> Is there a 'show grants' equivalent for databases in mysql?  Cup of coffee helped me see a minor config error, and grub command line let me boot up no problem whatsoever. Thank fook.
[11:46] <AlanBell> yay for the OLPC working fine on rubbish wifi connections
[11:46] <popey> :)
[11:46] <popey> you running OpenERP on your OLPC?
[11:46] <MooDoo> AlanBell: kinda what i expected :)
[11:47] <ali1234> BigRedS: use mysql; select * from db where db.Db = 'database';
[11:48] <davmor2> AlanBell: you think not?
[11:49] <AlanBell> popey: probably could do
[11:49] <AlanBell> it is just python
[11:49] <popey> i still quite fancy an olpc
[11:49] <BigRedS> ali1234: Ah yes! I forget you can do normal SQL here :)
[11:50] <popey> i need to buy 6 very large disks
[11:50] <AlanBell> popey: best laptop I have ever had
[11:50] <popey> pondering 2TB
[11:50] <AlanBell> in terms of lasting and being useful and interesting
[11:50] <popey> yeah, it is all of those
[11:50] <popey> shame about the keyboard
[11:51] <AlanBell> yeah, but you can plug in a USB one
[11:51] <popey> blimey, you can get 3TB disks now
[11:52] <AlanBell> some day when I can let go of it I will donate it to freesitebuilder's museum
[11:56] <gord> hrm, not sure what to do with my netbook that i don't need anymore
[11:56] <ali1234> is it a good idea to microwave a netbook?
[11:57] <Laney> only if you add cheese
[11:57] <Laney> preferably brie
[11:57] <gord> starting to think i should replace my server with my netbook, its basically the same hardware but the netbook is smaller ;)
[11:58] <ali1234> probably uses less power too
[11:58] <gord> not really, like i said, same hardware
[11:59] <Azelphur> Had my first DoS attack yesterday :D
[11:59] <ali1234> it take a lot of electricity to fill that big case :D
[11:59] <gord> i keep meaning to turn off password attempts on my server, but then i wouldn't get to see the creative names bots try and log in with!
[11:59] <Azelphur> Feeling the hate D:
[12:00] <X3N> gord: is it an EEE?
[12:00] <ali1234> gord: throw up a fake contact.php on the root of your site for fun times :)
[12:00] <gord> X3N, no, dell mini 10v
[12:00] <X3N> oh
[12:03] <ali1234> so, say i had about 100GB of data that i need to process, and it would take 150 days on my workstation... how much would it cost me to get it done on a high performance cluster in like a week?
[12:04] <screen-x> ali1234: ask aws
[12:04] <ali1234> i calculated it would cost about £500 on EC2
[12:05] <ali1234> but i don't wanna set it all up myself
[12:05] <hamitron> cheaper to buy another comp to dedicate to the task :/
[12:05] <ali1234> i just want to send the data and the code to someone, and get back the result
[12:05] <ali1234> you know, like in the old days...
[12:06] <MattJ> ali1234: hmm, I may be able to help (indirectly) - let me check :)
[12:06] <ali1234> hamitron: not really, the 150 day estimate is on a machine that cost £500
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> how long would it take on amazon?
[12:07] <ali1234> depends how many instances i would rent and bother to configure
[12:07] <ali1234> the task is highly parallel
[12:07] <screen-x> ali1234: a machine that cost £1000 would be significantly faster
[12:07] <ali1234> probably, this machine is a year old too
[12:07] <MattJ> ali1234: the machine I'm thinking of has quite a number of cores
[12:08] <MattJ> if it's still available
[12:08] <ali1234> i have a quad core...
[12:08] <ali1234> 16 cores would therefore be about a month...
[12:09]  * popey looks at numerous 12 core boxes sat idle :(
[12:09] <screen-x> ali1234: so get a quad socket board with 6 core xeons, it'll be done in no time..
[12:09] <MattJ> screen-x: that's all? :)
[12:10] <ali1234> i guess if i spec the machine for raw CPU performance...
[12:10] <ali1234> maybe i can rewrite the processing software to use GPU or something
[12:10]  * hamitron would just set any half decent machines he has on the task, then wait
[12:10] <gord> ali1234, what kind of data, ever thought about opencl?
[12:10] <hamitron> leaving my main machine to work on unused
[12:10] <screen-x> MattJ: well, obviously it needs some sort of hardware xmpp interface as well..
[12:10] <ali1234> i'm doing deconvolution, so yeah
[12:10] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[12:11] <hamitron> does this stuff have to be done quick?
[12:11] <ali1234> not really no
[12:12] <hamitron> why not just put it in background then?
[12:14] <ali1234> well i can
[12:14] <hamitron> sorry for been boring ;)
[12:15] <hamitron> other way sounds way more cool
[12:15] <ali1234> gord: is there a library for image process/signal analysis type tasks using openCL? or does it include that stuff?
[12:15] <ali1234> eg fast gaussian blur on a 1d array...
[12:17] <Seeker`> Jabber \o/
[12:18] <MattJ> Jabber \o'/
[12:18] <MattJ> !
[12:19] <gord> ali1234, no but gaussian blurs aren't hard to write :) just copy the gimp code
[12:19] <ali1234> the gimp code isn't written in openCL :)
[12:19] <gord> openCL is a lot like C
[12:20] <ali1234> resizing, blurring, differencing the data is the main slow point in my app, so openCL looks good
[12:20] <gord> the basic algorithms in gimp will apply well
[12:20] <gord> plus, whats more fun than learning something new like opencl! ;)
[12:21] <ali1234> well i'm already trying to wrap my head around fourier analysis at the moment...
[12:21] <ali1234> seems like it applies to my problem
[12:23] <cps> afternoon peeps :)
[12:23] <MooDoo> cps: zaafternoon
[12:23] <hamitron> ali1234: "2-dimensional Gaussian Blur Filter of RGBA image using IRF method."?
[12:23] <cps> it's MooDoo !
[12:23] <cps> how's you? :p
[12:24] <ali1234> hamitron: yeah, i'd prefer a nice easy to use library that hides all the complexity, rather than a 1 shot example code...
[12:24] <hamitron> ah ok, there is a sample on the nvidia site
[12:26]  * cps noms on some cornflakes
[12:27] <cps> absolutely nothing for lunch :\
[12:27] <bigcalm> Potnoodle \o/
[12:29] <hamitron> reckon I may get fish and chips
[12:31] <DJones> Can a Potboodle be considered as lunch, or even food for that matter
[12:32] <hamitron> hehe, no ;)
[12:33] <bigcalm> Yes and yes :D
[12:36] <hamitron> bbl, chippy here I come!
[12:43] <czajkowski> MooDoo: what kinda phone do you have
[12:44] <MooDoo> czajkowski: htc desire
[12:45] <czajkowski> interesting
[12:45] <MooDoo> czajkowski: er why?
[12:48]  * czajkowski grins, MooDoo isn't able to use his phone :p
[12:48]  * MooDoo has just been beaten by czajkowski's stick of learning....
[12:49]  * popey spies on czajkowski
[12:49]  * popey hugs google latitude
[12:49]  * czajkowski peers at popey
[12:49] <czajkowski> popey: see you know how to use your phone
[12:49]  * czajkowski hands MooDoo the manual to his phone
[12:49] <popey> :)
[12:49] <MooDoo> tell her popey, she's picking on me
[12:49] <popey> and I have a _great_ phone
[12:49] <MooDoo> popey: iphone right?
[12:49] <popey> ya
[12:49] <czajkowski> popey: I beg to differ, my version of yours is in a drawer :p
[12:50]  * popey also spies on dutchie
[12:50] <MooDoo> i could of had an iphone at upgrade time, if i gave them £100 + £45 a month, thought i'd go with the free android :)
[12:50] <popey> and Daviey ooo and AlanBell
[12:50] <czajkowski> dutchie: ping
[12:51] <MooDoo> czajkowski: well you're now linked to facebook and twitter :D
[12:51] <popey> oo and JamesTait
[12:51]  * JamesTait wakes up.
[12:51] <czajkowski> popey: we get to do the latitude watch for oggcamp again this year :D
[12:52] <JamesTait> What did I do now? :)
[12:52] <gord> dang it it firefox sync, firefox sync faster!
[12:52] <AlanBell> latitude tells me czajkowski is a "stale friend"
[12:52] <czajkowski> roflol
[12:53] <AlanBell> popey is nice and fresh
[12:53] <gord> wish things would stop saying i should connect my facebook account to them
[12:55] <czajkowski> popey: you out and about today ?
[12:55] <gord> heh banshee is written in mono but doesn't run on windows
[12:55] <ali1234> nothign unusual about that, most .net apps won't run in mono either
[12:56] <czajkowski> davmor2: accepted but no good to me unless I'm stuck at that train station again!
[12:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: Yeah but it stops you sneeking up on me to whack me :P
[12:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: she's from ireland, it wouldn't hurt any way ;)
[12:59] <Daviey> popey, The latest generation of android phones are epic levels of awesomeness better than the Hero....  So don't taint them all with legacy hardware :)
[12:59] <popey> czajkowski: I'm at work.
[12:59] <popey> Daviey: still android, still broken
[12:59] <popey> I have played with a few here at work
[12:59] <MooDoo> popey: she only wants you to pick up some tea :)
[13:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: you say that till czajkowski's Ireland thrashes England at Rugby then you eat humble pie for 12 months right?
[13:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: as if that's going to happen :)
[13:01]  * MooDoo gets out his grovelling shirt just in case.....
[13:01] <czajkowski> MooDoo: March will tell won't it
[13:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: haha
[13:02] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yes it will, rats is it that close......er er, ah england players are all injured :)
[13:02] <czajkowski> well my team are now out of the H cup so that frees up some people to train outside of the Magners L
[13:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah i heard about that....bugger....
[13:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: harlequins won though :p
[13:05] <gord> i know nothing about sports but am willing to offer my opinion, it seems to me like you want the people that are best at putting an air inflated balloon ball thing in to the opposing teams area where you get a point
[13:05] <Daviey> popey, What aspects do you consider borked?
[13:06] <gord> Daviey, no big apple symbol on the back ;)
[13:06] <Daviey> heh
[13:06] <MooDoo> gord: when it comes to rugby czajkowski and i have a love hate relationship
[13:06] <MooDoo> gord: i love her, she hates me......budum tish :)
[13:06] <MooDoo> lol
[13:08] <popey> the upgrade process, the phones are slow - even the most recent models - lack of decent apps & games
[13:08] <popey> off the top of my head
[13:09] <MooDoo> popey: to be honest, do people really care about the lack of apps/games?  as long as it makes phone calls?
[13:09] <popey> yes
[13:09] <directhex> yes
[13:09] <popey> welcome to 2011
[13:09] <Daviey> lololol
[13:09] <directhex> a phone call phone is £8.47
[13:09] <MooDoo> ah fair enough lol i'll consider myself slapped :)
[13:09] <gord> i disagree with the "lack of apps and games", honestly, anything good gets ported to android these days
[13:09] <gord> ea even make games for it
[13:10] <directhex> people pay more than £8.47 because they want functions exceeding an £8.47 phone
[13:10] <AlanBell> if the phone does ssh then it is fine by me
[13:10] <Daviey> popey, What great apps does iphone have that android is missing?
[13:10] <czajkowski> AlanBell: your phone is not a phone!
[13:10] <AlanBell> czajkowski: fair point
[13:10] <Daviey> AlanBell, your phone is really a goldfish!
[13:10] <popey> gord: yeah, it's improving over time
[13:11] <czajkowski> popey: I will say I did prefer the facebook app on the iphone over the android, it updates better and displays it clearer
[13:11] <dogmatic69> i just uninstalled the fb for android
[13:11] <gord> i hear the facebook app on android is bad yeah, but i have always just gone to the website
[13:11] <dogmatic69> touch.facebook.com is better
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> gord: the app is faster than the website, on my nexus one
[13:13] <popey> there's a few games I like on the iphone like trainyard, cut the rope, words with friends, trainconduct, oven break, mx mayhem. Apps include wordpress, godaddy, dropbox, tunein radio, vlc, around me, tube deluxe, wind finder, amazon uk app, ocado app, ebay app, ISS lite, lastpass, spotify, flixter
[13:14] <popey> thats a bunch that I use to varying degrees
[13:14] <popey> some more than others, but most of them a lot
[13:14] <dogmatic69> just a few eh..
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> am I the only one who doesn't really use apps/games?
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> I use facebook and twitter.. that's about it
[13:14] <popey> the _big_ thing that android is missing is a decent podcast download/player, the iphone one is pretty much perfect IMO
[13:14] <Daviey> popey, Hmm.. android does have some of them, right?
[13:14] <popey> (I listen to podcasts in the car on the way to/from work)
[13:14] <popey> some, yes
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: I love Google Listen :) it's decent enough ;)
[13:14] <popey> and over time it gets better
[13:14] <popey> MartijnVdS: nope, its shit compared to itunes :)
[13:15] <Daviey> popey, Did you try google listen?
[13:15] <popey> yes
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: I can't run itunes
[13:15] <popey> multiple times
[13:15] <popey> i didnt say you could
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: and if I could, I wouldn't (because I don't like the eula)
[13:15] <popey> I am talking about the iphone
[13:15] <popey> not desktop
[13:15] <Daviey> popey, Recently, i've been using banshee to do the downloading of stuff... keeping stuff synced
[13:15] <popey> Daviey: podcasts?
[13:15] <Daviey> auto syncing playlists
[13:16] <gord> popey, ever thought about putting podcasts in ubuntu one and then streaming on that?
[13:16] <Daviey> popey, both music and podcasts
[13:16] <gord> thats what i do
[13:16] <popey> i dont care much about music, i have spotify
[13:16] <Daviey> gord, does u1 yet support "own" music?
[13:16] <dutchie> czajkowski: pong
[13:16] <popey> gord: thats too much effort
[13:16] <popey> on the phone I click on a podcast and hit download, or let it sync automagically
[13:16] <popey> i like magic, I dont like manual faff
[13:17] <gord> Daviey, always has done
[13:17] <popey> hey-ho though, each to their own, choice is a good thing and all that :)
[13:17] <popey> but I think I speak from experience having used both platforms quite a bit
[13:17] <Daviey> hah
[13:18] <Daviey> everyone has an equal opinion, but my opinion is more equal than yours :)
[13:18] <screen-x> popey: which podcast downloader do you use on the iphone? I get really annoyed with the 'itunes' app, as it doesn't let you subscribe.
[13:18] <popey> well, many base their opinion on nothing more than perception, mine is based on experience
[13:18] <popey> screen-x: i use itunes
[13:19] <screen-x> (2011-01-17 13:16:35) popey: on the phone I click on a podcast and hit download, or let it sync automagically   <-- automagically = via a usb cable?
[13:20] <Daviey> I've not used itunes in a long time... but i was quite impressed how far banshee has overtaken rhythmbox in that area.
[13:20] <popey> yeah, I do both, sometimes I will hear someone mention something and I'll go looking for the show on the phone and download an episode or 5 and listen then and there
[13:20] <popey> or maybe I'll use it connected via usb
[13:20] <popey> yeah, banshee is lovely
[13:21] <freckle> I find Google Listen is terrible at auto syncing.. almost to the point of useless
[13:22] <Daviey> yeah, i want my queue to be synchronised across all platforms... which is something apple have done a better job with so far.
[13:23] <gord> like i said before, i just use u1 everywhere now :)
[13:24] <popey> screen-x: even if the phone doesn't sync automagically, you can still go to "get new episodes" to get more of a show you like
[13:24] <Daviey> gord, Can you pick just one folder that will have two way sync to the phone?
[13:24] <Daviey> I'd rather not everything sync'd down
[13:25] <Daviey> (considering a 50GB allowance!)
[13:25] <popey> u1 doesnt do phone sync does it?
[13:25] <gord> Daviey, no sync on phone right now, you stream
[13:25] <popey> it streams
[13:25] <Myrtti> gaia and all deities, my neck hurts
[13:25] <Daviey> gord, That is great for a transatlantic flight :)
[13:25] <freckle> being able to specify only dl on WiFi is a good option. Guardian app for Android offers this
[13:25] <gord> Daviey, well you can tell it to buffer X amount of space, i have it set to 1gb which is enough :)
[13:26] <Daviey> ahh
[13:26] <popey> how does it know what to buffer?
[13:26] <gord> your playlist
[13:26] <popey> I have way more than 1GB of podcasts on my phone
[13:26] <gord> shuffle just builds a random playlist that grows
[13:26] <Daviey> sabdfl filters your queue to decide what you probably want.
[13:26] <popey> :)
[13:26] <Daviey> gord, What would we do without you?
[13:27] <gord> use non ubuntu products! :O
[13:27] <popey> buy evil phones?
[13:27] <gord> can you get u1 music player on iphone yet? can't remember what happened there
[13:27] <popey> yes
[13:28] <popey> needs a subscription to u1 though
[13:28] <popey> which I'm not about to pay for, just for listening to stuff I downloaded from the internet
[13:28] <hamitron> can't afford the subscription once you got the phone though ;/
[13:28] <popey> haha
[13:28] <Daviey> Last time i tried the contact sync, it was less than polished
[13:28] <Daviey> i could see no way of saying, "All these contacts should be managed by U1"
[13:35] <gord> Daviey, yeah, i think thats compounded by the weird way contacts are done on android, u1 contact sync always breaks for me
[13:36] <gord> ugh, the music player situation on windows is terrible, i'm gonna have to use winamp. its like the 90's over there
[13:36] <gord> maybe i can start a small VM for banshee...
[13:36] <popey> retro
[13:36] <popey> I used to love old winamp
[13:37] <popey> I get flashbacks to songs I used to listen to, just looking at the winamp UI
[13:37] <screen-x> It really kicks the lama's ass :)
[13:38] <gord> i used to write those visulisation things, that was so much fun
[13:38] <gord> got me in to graphics coding
[13:40] <davmor2> I have to recommend absolute radio I've a had a quick look at their site, they support wma for windows, itunes for apple and ogg vobis and flac for Linux as well as nearly every mobile format digital tv etc etc etc most impressed
[13:41] <gord> winamp tried to install "Winamp Toolbar" and "Set Winamp Search as my default search engine" and "50 free MP3 Downloads!"... geeez, i hope nothing on ubuntu gets like that =\
[13:42] <MooDoo> gord: winamp o/
[13:48]  * popey points gord at the spam you get when you ssh to an ubuntu server
[13:48] <gord> i wouldn't catagorise that in the same partition myself ;)
[13:48] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/555069/
[13:49] <popey> hmmm, how hard would it be to make an ubuntu "recovery partition"
[13:49] <popey> which was a grub boot option which let you boot to the installer
[13:49] <BigRedS> popey: not to mention the six or eight second wait while it calculates all that for you just in case you happen to be interested
[13:50] <popey> which is pointless given I use byobu BigRedS :)
[13:50] <popey> (yes, I know you dont like byobu)
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> youch ~/.hushlogin \o/
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> touch*
[13:51] <BigRedS> I don't dislike byobu, I think we just have differences of opinion :)
[13:51] <popey> MartijnVdS: yeah, i do that :)
[13:51] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: Awesome. Why haven't I come across that before?
[13:52] <gord> popey, thats a pretty neat idea
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: because you haven't read /etc/login.defs? :P
[13:52] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: that'd do it :)
[13:52] <popey> gord: gonna have a play tonight
[13:53] <popey> gord: especially cool if I put multiple options
[13:53] <MooDoo> gonna install ubuntu onto my ssd tonight :)
[13:53] <gord> let me know how it turns out :)
[13:53] <popey> i am tempted to get an ssd for my laptop
[13:53] <MooDoo> popey: that's where mine is, f120 corsair
[13:54] <AlanBell> popey: you can do very similar with oem-config-prepare
[13:54] <gord> ssd is the best thing you can do to make your laptop experience better imo
[13:54] <MooDoo> gord: it runs really fast even when using wubi, so hopefully it will fly when installed natively
[13:55] <AlanBell> but a proper recovery partition would have benefits
[13:55] <popey> yeah
[13:55] <popey> grub boots of ISOs these days?
[13:56] <popey> could be handy
[13:56] <X3N> what do you mean, boots of ISOs?
[13:57] <davmor2> X3N: you can point grub at an iso and it boots with the right options?
[13:57] <BigRedS> funny place to keep your disc images
[13:57] <BigRedS> (or s/of/off/)
[14:01] <popey> yes, that
[14:01] <popey> rather than booting to an "installed" system
[14:01] <popey> you can boot to an ISO held on the local filesystem
[14:01] <davmor2> popey: you shoud be able to once btrfs is the default you could do an oem install and then clone it to another partition :)
[14:03] <gord> huh, you can play music in minecraft now... guess i need to figure out how to play combine harvester in it
[14:03] <popey> minecraft has black sheep now!
[14:03] <popey> and new trees
[14:03] <popey> and and and

[14:04] <MooDoo> popey: and it's bloomin addictive and coal is a pain to find :)
[14:04] <AlanBell> popey: hard day at work?
[14:05] <popey> http://ansi.interblc.com/2010/02/06/howto-boot-iso-images-via-grub2-with-ubuntu
[14:06] <popey> AlanBell: I am not playing minecraft at work :)
[14:06] <popey> just longing to
[14:06] <gord> MooDoo, a little trick, you can burn wood in the funaces
[14:06] <MooDoo> gord oh your kidding me
[14:07] <MooDoo> raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[14:07] <Myrtti> dear universe, make the pain go away
[14:08] <directhex> i nearly quoted a rude song at that point
[14:08]  * MooDoo walks away sulking ;)
[14:09]  * DJones offers Myrtti some co-codamol
[14:09] <popey> hmm, I'd need a separate boot partition for this, otherwise when the person boots to recovery partition and reinstalls, they'd wipe out the grub config which lets them boot back to recovery again
[14:09] <popey> or something
[14:09] <hamitron> like the old days :)
[14:10] <oly> popey, thanks for that link, been wanting that feature in grub for a while
[14:10] <popey> heh
[14:10] <screen-x> popey: the installer should detect the recovery partition as an OS and add it to the grub list..
[14:10] <hamitron> I still have a /boot partition out of habbit :/
[14:10] <popey> screen-x: i dont think it will
[14:10] <popey> because it's not an os install
[14:10] <oly> i hope it can work over pxe as well :)
[14:10] <ali1234> i won't. but it should
[14:11] <ali1234> oly: it can
[14:11]  * hamitron has visions of someone having a 200Gb partition of ISO to choose from
[14:11] <popey> its just a partition containing ISOs
[14:11] <oly> cool, beans i shall build that into my server interface in that case :)
[14:12] <hamitron> can you net boot an ISO?
[14:12] <ali1234> for pxe it's easier to just mount the iso
[14:12] <ali1234> you can netboot the ISO but it is more complicated
[14:12] <hamitron> I realised it may be more complicated, but I got all my ISO on a server...
[14:13] <ali1234> so?
[14:13] <hamitron> it would be cool to netboot and have some menu to choose ISO
[14:13] <ali1234> exporting them over NFS is not much harder
[14:13] <oly> thats exactly my thinking hamitron
[14:14] <oly> also means you can do new installs by connecting to network and choosing the iso you want :)
[14:14] <hamitron> yeh :)
[14:14] <ali1234> this would be a good system to build from my old NAS...
[14:14] <hamitron> this pile of cdrw here I keep knocking over, could be scrapped
[14:15] <hamitron> \o/
[14:15] <ali1234> could add webif to install ISOs to it
[14:16] <popey> there was someone who put a network port in a university, that if you plugged in and did a netboot, it would install ubuntu for you
[14:16] <popey> must be pxe
[14:16] <ali1234> small torrent client to download them
[14:18] <hamitron> I dunno enough to make it PXE boot with a menu, and boot ISO :/
[14:18] <oly> yeah i have done the pxe install and that does work well althrough tends to be quite slow because i downloads the packages of the net
[14:18]  * hamitron hangs his head in shame
[14:18] <oly> i guess you could setup an apt-cache to get around that though
[14:19] <hamitron> if I could use 1 OS, I would do that
[14:19] <hamitron> :/
[14:20] <ali1234> you can boot the full livecd over pxe
[14:20] <ali1234> *from* the livecd in another machine
[14:20] <ali1234> there is even a script to do it for you
[14:24] <hamitron> I better not get ahead of myself anyway
[14:24] <hamitron> need to free enough hdd space up to get my files backed up off a RAID 0 array
[14:24] <hamitron> so i can remove it from the system
[14:26] <hamitron> just wish I could convert tv recordings faster :/
[14:27]  * popey has been eyeing 2TB disks today
[14:27] <hamitron> :)
[14:27] <hamitron> that would solve the problem
[14:27] <hamitron> 6 of them
[14:28] <hamitron> actually 2 would :)
[14:32] <dogmatic69_> anyone have problems with fonts on 10.10?
[14:32] <ali1234> i have problems with fonts all the time on all operating systems :(
[14:32] <dogmatic69_> in firefox
[14:32] <ali1234> but then i'm picky and try to do crazy things
[14:32] <dogmatic69_> :D
[14:33] <ali1234> hamitron: code this up: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/installbox :)
[14:34] <ali1234> dogmatic69_: what kinds of problems do you have?
[14:34] <hamitron> ty :D
[14:34] <hamitron> ali1234: this is not helping me resist distractions ;)
[14:35] <hamitron> is there a limit to the number of ISO you can mount?
[14:35] <dogmatic69_> ali1234: http://oi56.tinypic.com/73no82.jpg
[14:35] <ali1234> there might be a limit on number of loopback filesystems
[14:36] <ali1234> but it can probably be increased with kernel params
[14:36] <popey> there is
[14:36] <ali1234> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/set-maximum-number-of-loop-devices.html
[14:36] <ali1234> dogmatic69_: looks like a graphics card bug to me, what card/driver are you using?
[14:37] <dogmatic69_> ali1234: no clue
[14:37] <ali1234> what kind of computer do you have?
[14:37] <dogmatic69_> its a packardbell easynote 8 maybe
[14:37] <dogmatic69_> oldish laptop
[14:37] <dogmatic69_> 2gig cpu
[14:37] <ali1234> did you get prompted to install restricted drivers?
[14:37] <dogmatic69_> ive searched google before and could not find much info on it
[14:37] <dogmatic69_> no
[14:37] <ali1234> it's probably intel then
[14:39] <christhecoolboy> hey all :)
[14:42] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: o/
[14:43] <ali1234> dogmatic69: check on lspci for graphics card type
[14:43] <ali1234> try 'lspci | grep VGA'
[14:44] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1912152341
[14:44] <dogmatic69> oh, too late :D
[14:44] <dogmatic69> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[14:45] <ali1234> http://www.linuxine.com/story/font-corruption-x-anyone-else-seeing
[14:46] <ali1234> they have same graphics card - surprise surprise
[14:47] <ali1234> are you Mr_Bumpy?
[14:47] <ali1234> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/442680-font-corruption-x-anyone-else-seeing.html
[14:49] <ali1234> https://bugs.freedesktop.org//show_bug.cgi?id=28316 looks like upstream bug
[14:50] <ali1234> actually that looks like a different bug... what you are seeing looks like glyph cache corruption, as described in the blast comment
[14:51] <ali1234> maybe open a new bug?
[14:52] <ali1234> another bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495323
[14:53] <ali1234> that one is quite old though
[14:53] <ali1234> probably a regression
[14:53]  * dogmatic69 <- nick
[14:53] <dogmatic69> ah ok, so the new drivers are borked
[14:53] <ali1234> so, my advice would be to open a new bug on fdo
[14:54] <ali1234> attach screen shot, say you suspect glyph cache corruption and (assuming it worked ok on old versions) that it is likely a regression
[14:54] <ali1234> they will then ask you to try all kinds of crazy stuff
[14:55] <freckle> fun times at work today http://noc.enta.net/2011/01/stepneygreen-core-enta-net/
[14:56] <Myrtti> "forced unauthorised removal of equipment"
[14:56] <Myrtti> ie. stolen?
[14:56] <Myrtti> ah, indeed
[14:56] <freckle> yep, stolen
[14:56] <BigRedS> I just saw that
[14:57] <BigRedS> well, was linked to. didn't this happen to BT not so long ago?
[14:57] <freckle> second time it has happened in the exchange... first time someone else's kit
[14:57] <Myrtti> that's a fancy way of saying "stolen"
[14:57] <Myrtti> I'll write that down in my notebook
[14:58] <Myrtti> ten points if I can include that in a converation this week
[15:32] <freckle> I want to create a live CD that on boot runs a RDP to a Windows Terminal Server and once the Windows Terminal server disconnects the system shutsdown.. is that possible?
[15:33] <directhex> freckle, yes, it's possible
[15:33] <directhex> freckle, it'd require some scripting knowhow though
[15:33] <freckle> directhex: any pointers?
[15:35] <BigRedS> directhex: you can call the rdp server with argumetns to specify the rdp connection
[15:36] <BigRedS> so have an on-login script that is '~/connect-to-rdp.sh && shutdown now' or similar
[15:36] <BigRedS> is where I'd start
[15:37] <directhex> sounds like a job best served by startx, and a custom .xsession which calls rdesktop fullscreen
[15:37] <directhex> so no gdm, use startx directly from init
[15:38] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[15:38] <freckle> ok cool, thanks for the pointers
[15:38] <BigRedS> directhex's suggestion makes more sense than mine :) mine's decidedly lazy
[15:41] <diplo> Isn't that what LTSP does using edubuntu, using it as a thin client ?
[15:41] <diplo> Could be some tutorials on there site about it already
[15:42] <freckle> this need to be for a support worked remotely connecting over the net
[15:42] <freckle> so PXE won't work
[15:43] <freckle> directhex: so it would be something like....
[15:43] <freckle> exec rdesktop -f ip_address
[15:47] <gord> an hour of wandering about listening to u1 music and only 150mb of 3g used, not bad
[15:49] <AlanBell> 2.55 per meg when roaming
[15:49] <AlanBell> plus VAT
[15:49] <gord> yeah you don't enable u1 then ;)
[15:50] <AlanBell> roaming data charges are nuts
[15:50] <gord> i enabled google maps for 30 seconds once in the US, cost me around £10
[15:51] <Pendulum> I turn off data when roaming. Especially as I was informed on arrival into Belgium that it would cost me $17.99/MB
[15:52] <gord> oh its INSANE for us people in europe
[15:52] <Pendulum> yeah
[15:52] <Myrtti> 1.5€/MB for me
[15:52] <Myrtti> well, starting from 1.5€/MB
[15:53] <gord> oh god new netbook so pretty
[15:55] <screen-x> gord: and so army?
[15:56] <popey> you should get a proper phone that has a setting "disable data when roaming" :)
[15:56] <gord> i thought all phones had that by now?
[15:56] <AlanBell> luckily I have a proper phone
[15:56] <popey> \o/
[15:56] <popey> android has caught up! :)
[15:56]  * popey marks that on the list
[15:56] <AlanBell> for large values of phone
[15:57] <gord> its had that for years :P
[15:57] <andylockran> Howdy guys.
[15:57] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[15:57] <popey> my hero didnt have that setting
[15:57] <andylockran> Interesting Day. Deciding under what Open Source license to release our internal development platform.
[15:57] <popey> unless I am stupid and/or blind
[15:57] <popey> both of which are possible
[15:58]  * TheOpenSourcerer notes that he is running out of IPs on their server... Only got one left :-(
[15:58] <gord> heh, android on a netbook is so weird
[15:58] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: time to switch to ipv6 :p
[15:58] <BigRedS> andylockran: WTFPL :)
[15:59] <andylockran> BigRedS: ??
[15:59] <davmor2> popey: but there is an app for that
[15:59] <screen-x> popey: the desire has an option to turn of data over the cellular, never used a hero though.
[15:59] <andylockran> gord: what netbook ?
[15:59] <MooDoo> gord is this one of the new google os laptops you can sign up for ?
[15:59] <popey> thats not the same screen-x
[15:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> andylockran: If I was sure my customers could get there I would. But I'm not.
[15:59] <screen-x> popey: pretty close, turn of data before going abroad..
[15:59] <popey> I'm talking about a specific option to disable data _when_ _roaming_
[15:59] <popey> no, its automatic on iphone
[15:59] <gord> andylockran, MooDoo - no the ac100
[16:00] <popey> gord: you got one?
[16:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Android has that option on my phone.
[16:00] <gord> its just android on a netbook, will put ubuntu on it
[16:00] <popey> any good?
[16:00] <gord> popey, i did :)
[16:00] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: it does now
[16:00] <gord> popey, we shall see
[16:00] <popey> heh
[16:00] <davmor2> popey: by default it is switched off on my milestone
[16:00] <screen-x> gord: weird keyboard iirc?
[16:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> It had it on 1.6 IIRC
[16:00] <gord> keyboard is fine
[16:00] <davmor2> popey: you have to actually enable it if you want it
[16:01] <davmor2> popey: there is also use only 2g networks so it saves on battery too
[16:03] <nigelb> hullo :)
[16:03] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I've just refurbished an android 1.6 phone, I had to download an app to stop data roaming, it wasn't available as a default option
[16:04] <davmor2> No not on 1.6 I think it was 2.0 up
[16:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, I thought I remembered seeing that on my Streak before it got upgraded.
[16:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maybe not then.
[16:05] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: it may of been a 1.6 update x that included it on dells request
[16:06] <DJones> It was a HTC Magic that I was refurbishing
[16:15] <gord> heh ac100 android is so crippled, it doesn't have the market so you can't get the good apps
[16:15] <gord> and it doesn't have the google apps either
[16:28] <screen-x> can rsync be used on raw devices?
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> can I do something like a du with the ftp command line client?
[16:31] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: I can't think how you'd do that with what's in the FTP protocol without making a series of ls calls
[16:32] <BigRedS> which I'm pretty sure isn't built in to the command line ftp client
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah - I can do ls -lR
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> and get a recursive long list, but then I have to add them up!
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> bit of awking coming up I reckon.
[16:35] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: would a size call on the folder help you out?
[16:36]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2
[16:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just saw that in the man ftp. Will try it.
[16:37]  * davmor2 taunts czajkowski with throat lozenges
[16:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - I get a "not a regular file" response. :-(
[16:37] <czajkowski> davmor2: I've tea! tea makes it all good!
[16:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a dir.
[16:40] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: why can't you access it via ssh and then use standard commands? is ftp the only tool available?  can you access it via Firefox using fireftp then you can find out that way?
[16:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is a "special" backup area inside a hosting provider's network. I only have FTP access and was just wondering if I can get this info from the cli...
[16:43] <shauno> as crazy as it sounds, 'help' is pretty useful on most ftpd.  If there's a non-standard command for such a task, I'd expect to find it there
[16:45] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: can you not use an ncurses ftp client or something like mc?
[16:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> quite likely. mc is a good idea. Thanks.
[16:46] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: Hey anything to make life easier :)
[16:50] <andylockran> what girls name is Nessie short for?
[16:52] <danfish> andylockran: Vanessa
[16:52] <danfish> afternoon
[16:52] <andylockran> seems like a girl from school has got married (surname's changed) and her first name, is Nicola
[16:52] <czajkowski> andylockran: Nessa
[16:52] <andylockran> now Nessie..
[16:52] <DJones> andylockran: http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Nessie
[16:52] <andylockran> very strange
[16:52] <brobostigon> danfish: may i ask you a quick question, as you being a doctor. please.
[16:53] <danfish> brobostigon: sure - ?pm
[16:53] <czajkowski> ah yes I do not like your NHS system over here, tried to ring a drs surgey but because I'm not registered they wouldnt see me today
[16:54] <brobostigon> danfish: a part of where my eczema was bad, feels like it is infected, i am seeing my dermatologist thursday morning, i recognise the lok and feeling of aninfection from how it has been before.
[16:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: Yeap unfortunate did no-one point out you should setup with a doctors surgery it'll be the same if you move too
[16:55] <popey> is there anyway on freenode that I can be told when a particular user comes online?
[16:56] <danfish> czajkowski: check online with NHS choices to see if their's a walk-in GP centre near you
[16:56] <shauno> only the same as every other net I believe, /notify  (nick-dependant, not user-dependant)
[16:56] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye they mentioned it, but I honestly thought someone was taking the mickey you couldnt just go down and be seen
[16:56] <czajkowski> danfish: ahh ok
[16:57] <czajkowski> popey: if your client supports monitor
[16:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: the other alternative is to just go see a chemist :D well if it's for your throat
[16:58] <czajkowski> hmm tesco lady was less than helpful before
[16:58] <czajkowski> popey: http://www.stack.nl/~jilles/irc/monitor.pl.txt
[16:58] <popey> blimey, thats chunky
[16:58] <popey> thanks
[16:58] <czajkowski> popey: np
[17:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: no a proper chemist Lloyds, Boots etc
[17:00]  * andylockran walked into a brick wall on Saturday and cut his ear.
[17:01] <dwatkins> I ran into a brick wall once, and did much more damage to my head, andylockran
[17:01] <dwatkins> anyhoo, hope you're alright and it's all better soon, andylockran
[17:01] <DJones> Was the wall ok?
[17:08] <DJones> popey: Would the /notify command in irssi work to let you know when somebody comes on/offline? or does that only work if you physically run the command
[17:09] <popey> maybe
[17:09] <Azelphur> MattJ, know of a tool I can use to expose a web chat box direct to my XMPP account?
[17:13]  * brobostigon shakes fist at the adsl
[17:13] <davmor2> popey: can your client not do that for you?
[17:18] <gord> i buy far too many songs on ubuntu one just because said song is stuck in my head from some stupid shop
[17:18] <gord> there should be a nationwide ban on shops playing lional richie
[17:19] <andylockran> gord, there was once, twice, three times... damnit!!
[17:21] <davmor2> gord: tell me about it, I've had word up cameo, boy george, adam and the ants, and others stuck in my head for weeks thanks to shops
[17:22] <gord> davmor2, seriously, the only way you get rid of them is buy buying them, then playing them over and over till you are sick of them
[17:22] <rww> if you go to a music shop to buy them, this could turn into an infinite loop.
[17:23] <davmor2> gord: I resort to beeping or whistling popcorn it's the only tune I know that can rid everything bar lady gaga's paparazzi
[17:24] <davmor2> crap now I got that running round my head again
[17:25] <gord> hrm, maybe i should just alias vf to cd
[17:26] <rww> gord attempts to do so: "s: command not found \n osd: command not found"
[17:26] <andylockran> the one I have now is "and it's a quarter after one, I'm all alone, and I need you now."
[17:27] <andylockran> Need You Now, Lady Antebellum
[17:29] <gord> woo finally flashing the netbook with ubuntu
[17:29] <gord> hope it goes well
[17:30] <popey> gord: be interested to know what the performance is like
[17:30] <popey> also be fun to try chrome os on that! :)
[17:34] <gord> popey, i'm not very interested in chrome OS, but getting unity running on opengl ES? very interested in that
[17:35] <gord> think i figured out what to do with my old netbook, i'll mount it on a wall and make it run http://www.uniqlo.jp/uniqlock/ 24/7 as a clock!
[17:36] <popey> that sounds fun
[17:37] <popey> (the ac100)
[17:37] <popey> 300 quid is quite a bit for that laptop though
[17:37] <gord> yeah, especially given the crappy android it has installed
[17:38] <popey> i guess there wont be an arm build of spotify?
[17:38] <gord> if it came with a nice ubuntu install or something, ran for 8 hours and had full tegra 2 support from nvidia then it'll be worth it though
[17:38] <gord> don't really know what spotify is, some music thing right?
[17:38] <popey> its what u1 should be :)
[17:38] <davmor2> popey: harsh
[17:39] <popey> not really
[17:39] <popey> u1 is fundamentally flawed in the music streaming part
[17:39] <popey> in that it only lets you stream music you already own, _and_ have already got in your cloud storage
[17:40] <gord> heh yeah it lets me stream my music :O but yeah if it just had an interface to the ubuntu 1 store and let you play their previews then it would be worlds better
[17:40] <gord> full tracks even better.. but well. don't think we have the muscle to do that
[17:40] <popey> yeah, maybe in the future, once spotify has blazes a trail :)
[17:40] <gord> yup, canonicals not a big company, we can't blaze aaaaaall the trails :P
[17:41] <gord> i hate things that don't have progress indicators... i know flashing over usb is slow but its worrying :(
[17:43] <davmor2> popey: yes that's so Ubuntu doesn't have to pay Loyalties I would imagine, currently they only stream the music you own to you, where as spotify is like the radio it gets money from subs and ads to pay out the loyalties and also from referrals to the mp3 download stores.
[17:44] <popey> yup
[17:45] <screen-x> gord: 72%
[17:45] <davmor2> popey: I suppose the way round it would be for u1 to offer a sub system where you pay £x a month to stream tracks and then buy the tracks you like from them at a discounted rate or something
[17:45] <gord> why would you buy tracks if you could stream random ones?
[17:46] <popey> i love that I can hear a snippet of a track and think "oooh, Id like to hear that" and just play it immediately without buying it
[17:47] <popey> those AC100's are showing up on ebay for ~220 quid
[17:47] <BigRedS> gord: there's a peculiar group of people for whom buying a download is the more secure alternative to streaming.
[17:48] <BigRedS> sort of as CDs are to any online-flavoured music storage thingy to the rest of us
[17:48] <screen-x> BigRedS: people who travel on the tube?
[17:48] <popey> people who listen to music from cassette
[17:48] <popey> TDK-90s
[17:49] <directhex> TDK? blasphemy
[17:49] <gord> popey, i would guess the return rate on ac100's is pretty large
[17:49] <directhex> memorex! http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/comparing_notes/assets_c/2009/07/memorex-thumb-425x284.jpg
[17:50] <popey> hmm, what was that website which had a nice collection of tape inlay scans
[17:51] <popey> aha! http://www.c-90.org/
[17:51] <popey> http://www.c-90.org/catalogue/tapes
[17:51] <popey> http://www.c-90.org/catalogue/tapes/Memorex happy days
[17:52] <popey> gord: I vowed not to buy another Toshiba laptop after my last one. Worst laptop I've ever owned, work or personal
[17:53]  * czajkowski loves her Tosh, rather sturdy and handles almost any knocking it's gotten
[17:54] <czajkowski> next fav is the Dell, not loving the thinkpad at all
[17:54] <popey> heh
[17:54] <screen-x> popey: I'm suprised by how many of those tapes I recognise
[17:54] <czajkowski> The tosh is a lot heavier, but damn sturdy
[17:54] <AlanBell> OLPC then this samsung for me
[17:55] <AlanBell> although I do think "widescreen" laptops should be called "shortscreen" laptops
[17:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: seen  your emails :)
[17:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yeah I just find the OLPC very kiddish, like a sturdier lappy
[17:56] <AlanBell> yes
[17:56] <AlanBell> and yes, it is kiddish
[17:57] <popey> it is after all designed... for kids
[17:57] <czajkowski> popey: I'm not totally thick, :)
[17:57] <popey> hows the course going?
[17:57] <popey> no?
[17:57] <popey> ok
[17:57] <popey> :)
[17:57]  * czajkowski prods popey cheeky
[17:58] <AlanBell> course is going fine, I have a new module up and running with fields and views and one2many relationships and suchlike
[17:59] <popey> :)
[17:59] <popey> super
[18:00] <screen-x> Just reading menu.lst from an old box, it has root=5005, what does that mean?
[18:00] <AlanBell> and I haz waffles
[18:01] <gord> screen-x, permissions maybe?
[18:02] <screen-x> gord: but if thats the permissions, then no root device is specified
[18:02] <screen-x> yet the box manages to boot..
[18:05] <gord> screen-x, magic then?
[18:05] <screen-x> gord: yeah, or some really odd raid driver.
[18:05] <gord> oooh the flashing utility is downloading something, okay, thats why its taking forever
[18:06] <screen-x> gord is this the ac100 you're flashing?
[18:06] <gord> yup
[18:06] <screen-x> why do you have to flash it, rather than install onto it?
[18:07] <gord> you have to do both
[18:07] <gord> i already installed ubuntu on the internal memory, now i'm flashing the bootloader with the nvidia tegra tool to do that
[18:07] <screen-x> ah
[18:08] <screen-x> is there a standard for the boot loading interface? I assume its not normal bios/EFI
[18:08] <gord> its some nvidia thing, hense the nvidia tool
[18:09] <gord> http://tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/tegra/downloads whole bunch of linux stuff
[18:09] <screen-x> :)
[18:10] <gord> nvidia have a more annoying linux driver situation than the regular desktop one, hopefully that will change in the future
[18:35] <gord> ah, i finally found the update all button in the android market
[18:46] <BigRedS> I was a happy bunny when I found that :)
[18:46] <BigRedS> it came with an android update, apparently. Same time the market went all curvy
[18:49] <gord> the old market had one too, but it was more obvious
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[18:53] <brobostigon> ohdear.
[18:54]  * brobostigon prods popey or czajkowski
[18:56] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ty
[18:56] <czajkowski> unusal high level of spamers in here lately
[18:56] <brobostigon> agreed, yes.
[18:56] <brobostigon> ohdear
[18:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: you need an aka 47 rather than a boot
[18:57] <czajkowski> I've joines turned off on most channels I'm n tbh  so unless I'm poked I've no idea
[18:58] <czajkowski> plus Myrtti seems to have it in hand
[18:58] <davmor2> Myrtti: nice
[19:00] <Myrtti> czajkowski: literally. doing it on my n1 and connectbot while suffering very sore neck
[19:02] <davmor2> Myrtti: No fun :(
[19:11] <DJones> Evening
[19:12] <davmor2> DJones: evening
[19:24] <czajkowski> Myrtti: :(
[20:00] <richard> hi
[20:00] <AlanBell> hi
[20:02] <Guest47660> i have ubuntu maverick and for some reason everytime i open google.om in firefox, it is in indian language?
[20:02] <Guest47660> any idea why??
[20:02] <AlanBell> are you connecting through some corporate network that comes out in india?
[20:02] <Guest47660> i did not have this problem in 10.04
[20:03] <Guest47660> no i am a home user
[20:03] <Guest47660> i install it from the cd
[20:03] <Guest47660> from canonical
[20:03] <AlanBell> and I assume you are in the UK?
[20:03] <Guest47660> yes
[20:04] <Guest47660> it keep defauting to indian language
[20:04] <Guest47660> even when i type google.co.uk
[20:04] <brobostigon> maybe google interprets you ip as being in india, hence shows you that google.
[20:04] <brobostigon> your*
[20:04] <Guest47660> i have to change it manualy
[20:04] <Guest47660> i am using Virgin Media
[20:04] <Darael> Or maybe Google can get language data from your browser user-agent - what language did you install Ubuntu in?
[20:05] <Guest47660> how would i know that??
[20:05] <Darael> Guest47660: Did you install Ubuntu in English?  If so, it's not that.  It's a long shot.
[20:06] <dwatkins>  What did you choose when it first booted, Guest47660?
[20:06] <brobostigon> about:config i believe.
[20:06] <Guest47660> yes i installed ubuntu in english
[20:06] <Darael> OK, it was a long shot, but worth trying.
[20:07] <Guest47660> so i can i find out aboutthe user agent
[20:07] <brobostigon> Guest47660: i thnks its about:config in FF's url bar.
[20:08] <Guest47660> ok i am checking
[20:08] <Darael> If you installed Ubuntu in english, it's probably not that.  It's most likely that brobostigon's first suggestion (you've got an IP that Google thinks is in India) is the problem, I suspect.
[20:09] <dwatkins> what does whatismyipaddress.com say?
[20:09] <brobostigon> like when i use tor, that gave me some very interesting results sometimes.
[20:09] <dwatkins> i.e. what country does it think you are in, Guest47660?
[20:09] <screen-x> Why would /proc/pts be empty?
[20:10] <Guest47660> well i am using openDNS
[20:10] <Darael> Guest47660: That shouldn't make any difference, Google doesn't know what DNS you're using.
[20:10] <brobostigon> thats wouldnt affect it,
[20:11] <Guest47660> ok so when i am in about:config what do i type in the search bar
[20:12] <jacobw3> !ping
[20:12] <brobostigon> Guest47660: ithink its a simple as user agent.
[20:12] <Guest47660> unless virgin has change i they route thy're ip address?
[20:12] <brobostigon> evening jacobw3
[20:12] <jacobw3> evening
[20:13] <jacobw3> hmm, how does one switch window in irssi without using alt+left
[20:13] <AlanBell> Guest47660: so does it redirect you to www.google.in or something?
[20:13] <AlanBell> jacobw3: /window 3
[20:14] <AlanBell> or esc+3
[20:14] <AlanBell> or esc +left/right
[20:14] <Guest47660> no
[20:14] <Guest47660> nothing
[20:14] <jacobw3> cheers :)
[20:15] <dwatkins> What is the actual problem, Guest47660?
[20:15] <AlanBell> Guest47660: go here http://www.google.co.uk/preferences?hl=en
[20:15] <AlanBell> and at the top choose English
[20:15] <Darael> jacobw3: /win is enough, by the way, it need not be /window.
[20:15] <jacobw3> :)
[20:16] <Guest47660> well when i open firefox on google.com
[20:16] <Guest47660> iti s in indian language
[20:16] <Darael> jacobw3: And a little clarification on esc+ - it's press /and release/ esc, then the button you'd normally press with alt.  Dunno why...
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Guest47660: try google.com/ncr
[20:16]  * AlanBell is now using google in klingon
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Guest47660: that'll turn off country recognition
[20:16] <jacobw3> i see, i tried it first pressing esc+3 and it didn't work
[20:16] <brobostigon> AlanBell: cool. :)
[20:16]  * jacobw3 evaporates
[20:17] <Guest47660> it is already in english
[20:17] <Darael> Guest47660: What exactly do you mean by "in indian language"?  Do you know the language, or are you just assuming it's Indian, or what?  Knowing what language it's showing you might help... It might not, but it might.
[20:18] <brobostigon> india has dozens of languages,
[20:18] <Guest47660> ok do you have a bin i can paste the print screen
[20:18] <DJones> Guest47660: Does the same happen with other browsers? It might be worth installing chromium-browser and testing with that as well
[20:19] <brobostigon> !imagebin
[20:19] <Guest47660> i did it is fine with other browser
[20:19] <AlanBell> http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-elmer google in Elmer Fudd \o/
[20:19] <Guest47660> ok hold on i am going to paste it in the bin
[20:20] <Darael> brobostigon: That was part of what I meant!  "in Indian Language" tells us very little.
[20:20] <brobostigon> Darael: yes, :)
[20:22] <Darael> Although, in fairness, "indian language" when said by a native English speaker almost always means Hindi, Tamil or Urdu.  Not that that's much help, even there.
[20:23] <brobostigon> very true.
[20:23] <Guest47660> ok here it is
[20:23] <Guest47660> http://imagebin.org/133098
[20:24] <AlanBell> pretty, but I am not sure it is indian
[20:24] <brobostigon> i dont recognise the script.
[20:24] <Darael> Pretty sure it isn't.  But it does look nice.
[20:24] <Guest47660> well sorry, i cannot say the difference, i am ignorent in this area
[20:24] <Darael> Hmm, I do wonder what script that is, though...
[20:25]  * AlanBell asks in -in
[20:25] <brobostigon> Darael: me too, :)
[20:25]  * brobostigon thinks google goggles would be a rescue.
[20:25] <DJones> AlanBell: Maybe ask in -irc
[20:25] <DJones> one of the ops from the loco's might recognise it
[20:26]  * brobostigon has jelly babies, :)
[20:26] <Guest47660> ohh ok!
[20:26]  * brobostigon shares them with everyone,
[20:26] <screen-x> \o/ jellybabies
[20:26] <AlanBell> purple one for me please
[20:26] <Guest47660> I start to think that my firefox as been hacked
[20:27] <Darael> Frankly, that's highly unlikely.
[20:27]  * brobostigon scp's AlanBell a purple  jelly baby.
[20:27] <Guest47660> i removed it and reinstalled it and it comeback to the same default page
[20:27] <Guest47660> even the uk page, hold on
[20:28] <Myrtti> id just looks with chrome devel tools what version google thinks it should serve
[20:28] <Myrtti> tho it might be a font issue
[20:28] <brobostigon> i wonder what the ssl version of google would return.
[20:30] <Guest47660> here is the uk page  http://imagebin.org/133099
[20:31] <Myrtti> I'll be most annoyed if this achy shoulder persists until tomorrow
[20:31] <Darael> Those "google.com in English" links interest me, as does the fact that the google.co.uk version has the text "google.co.uk" on it.
[20:31] <DJones> On that last image, is it just me, or is there two buttons/links at the bottom that say "Google.com in English"?
[20:32] <brobostigon> so it might be faked dns going to a faked server ?
[20:32] <Guest47660> yes there is
[20:32] <Darael> Guest47660: Of the blue links at the bottom, one is in the weird script.  What's the link (right-click, copy link location)?
[20:33] <Darael> (Seems to me that's likely to help find out what's going on)
[20:33] <brobostigon> if someonesmessed with the dns, to point to a different server,
[20:34] <Darael> Then it wouldn't help.  But if they haven't, then I want to know what that link points to.
[20:34] <brobostigon> and if it links to something suspicious.
[20:34] <Guest47660> blue link at the bottom right?
[20:35] <Guest47660> you mean i the top right
[20:35] <Darael> I was thinking of the left-hand one, unless the one in the odd script has moved.  Next to the "google.com in English" link.  At the bottom.
[20:35] <Darael> ...just above "(c) 2011"
[20:36] <Guest47660> that link AT THE bottom next to google.com in english goes here
[20:36] <Guest47660> http://www.google.co.uk/intl/chr/about.html
[20:36] <Darael> Oh.  Well, it was worth a try.  Any of the links go to something that looks like it might help?
[20:37] <DJones> have you tried clicking on Preferences in firefox and going to the Content Tab, there's a language selection option there
[20:37] <Guest47660> well the big ling under the search box goes here
[20:38] <Guest47660> http://www.google.co.uk/setprefs?sig=0_cl6qsjoVb0W-cEGqX9e462tCuY4=&hl=en
[20:38] <DJones> What languages are you given the option of? My Firefox has English/United Kingdom [en-gb] and English [en] as options
[20:39] <Guest47660> you mean in firefox preference
[20:39] <DJones> Yes
[20:39] <DJones> So Edit from the menu bar & then preferences
[20:40] <Guest47660> where do i find what language is set for my firefox?
[20:41] <Guest47660> ok then
[20:41] <DJones> And then the Content Tab within preferences, the bottom entry on mine is "Languages - Choose your preferred language for displaying pages" with a Choose button to its right
[20:41] <Guest47660> there is no language set
[20:42] <DJones> Do you have an option to SElect a language to add?
[20:42] <Guest47660> it is set to chrome global intl properties
[20:43] <Guest47660> yes
[20:43] <DJones> Add English/United Kingdom [en-gb] and then move that one up so that its at the top of the list
[20:43] <Guest47660> ok should i remove chrome global intl properties
[20:44] <Guest47660> done
[20:44] <Guest47660>  should i remove chrome global intl properties
[20:44] <DJones> I'd leave that there for now
[20:44] <Guest47660> or leave it
[20:44] <Guest47660> ok let me try
[20:44] <DJones> Close the preferences window now & restart firefox & try it
[20:45] <DJones> If that doesn't help, I'm out of ideas
[20:46] <Guest47660> yes it work
[20:46] <Guest47660> thankyou so much
[20:47] <DJones> YOur welcome
[20:47] <Guest47660> for all your help and expertise
[20:47] <Guest47660> i have another question regarding the fact that everytime i run a windows application i am logged off
[20:47] <Guest47660> something to do with xorg
[20:47] <Guest47660> actualy not only with wine
[20:48] <Guest47660> even when i launch a game from ubuntu, installed from the synaptic
[20:48] <daubers> Evening
[20:48] <dutchie> hi there daubers
[20:50] <DJones> I can't help with wine, its not something I use, hopefully somebody else can help with that
[20:50] <Guest47660>  everytime i run a windows application i am logged off, even when i launch a game from ubuntu, installed from the synaptic
[20:50] <Guest47660> thank you DJones
[20:50] <Guest47660> much appreciate
[20:51] <Guest47660> anyone can help about my problem?
[20:53] <DJones> The only suggestion I can make would be to ask in ##winehq which is the wine support channel if there's nobody around here that can help
[20:53] <Guest47660> thank you will do that
[20:53] <DJones> Sorry, just noticed you said its not just wine app's
[20:54] <brobostigon> always makes me laugh , atthe end of St first contact, the vulcans drinking whisky.
[20:55] <brobostigon> Star trek*
[20:56] <brobostigon> stupid, film4 cut the nice music,  :(
[20:57] <AlanBell> what language was Guest476600 looking at?
[20:57] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i dont think we found out.
[20:58] <DJones> AlanBell: I'm not sure, he just said that in preferences it was set to "Chrome global intl properties"
[21:00] <DJones> Which seems to be a Chrome/Chromium setting, maybe something got confused with different browsers
[21:01] <DJones> Although I can see it mentioned on the mozilla website as well
[21:03]  * brobostigon puts horizon on.
[21:04] <DJones> I can see a mention on arabeyes.org of "translate/mozilla/firefox/3.5/toolkit/chrome/global/intl.properties" the website describes itself as "The Arabic Unix Project"
[21:41] <daubers> Woot! Stonking is in the OED
[21:48]  * BigRedS is sort-of being won over to aptitude over apt-get
[21:49] <bigcalm> BigRedS: what's the advantage?
[21:49] <BigRedS> aptitude full-upgrade doesn't want to remove libapache-mod-php4, apt-get dist-upgrade does
[21:49] <BigRedS> that's it for now :)
[21:51] <mgdm> I'd go with apt-get based on that metric
[21:51] <mgdm> ;)
[21:51] <BigRedS> Oh. No, aptitude's changed it's mind. I'm sticking with apt-get
[21:51] <BigRedS> mgdm: Tonight is not the time to migrate everything to a2+php5 :)
[21:52] <mgdm> No, 2 and a bit years ago was ;)
[21:52] <BigRedS> that's a very good point :)
[21:53] <bigcalm> mgdm: what are you using for shortening urls?
[21:53] <bigcalm> And good evening
[21:54] <mgdm> bigcalm: bit.ly pro, at the moment
[21:55] <bigcalm> Ah
[21:55] <mgdm> I am still interested in working on your one, though
[21:55] <bigcalm> Neat :)
[21:55] <bigcalm> It's had a few enhancements since I suggested it, but still not user ready really
[21:55]  * brobostigon thinks he spotted kde on horizon.
[21:56] <bigcalm> I have set up trac though!
[21:56] <mgdm> \o/
[21:56] <brobostigon> and gnome, :)
[21:58] <bigcalm> mgdm: http://trac.idophp.co.uk/urlshortener
[21:58] <bigcalm> I've disabled the wiki from un-authed as I'm lazy
[22:08] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you about
[22:08] <AlanBell> yes
[22:08] <czajkowski> AlanBell: does April 5th work for you
[22:08] <czajkowski> we're waiting on you and David
[22:08] <AlanBell> trying to figure out outbound SMTP as it happens
[22:08] <AlanBell> April 5th is fine
[22:08] <czajkowski> grand shall reply for you
[22:09] <AlanBell> thanks
[22:09] <AlanBell> still going to fix the thing :)
[22:13] <czajkowski> np
[22:13] <czajkowski> only teachers would pick a god damn date for a time when they are all on holidays though
[22:13] <czajkowski> and realise this after the fact...
[22:13] <czajkowski> so help me calls are going to get a lot stricter!
[22:16] <brobostigon> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/01/wikileaks-given-swiss-bank-account-data.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
[22:27] <ali1234> heh, comes with music is shutting down
[22:28] <ali1234> "Nokia has said these users will also still have access to any tracks they've downloaded after the subscription ends. "
[22:28] <gord> seems like with the stock android and display at full brightness, this netbook will get around 5 hours battery life. not bad
[22:28] <ali1234> - until they get a new phone. then there's no way to transfer the licences without talking to nokia's drm server
[22:29] <ali1234> stock android runs on netbooks now?
[22:31] <ali1234> actually it looks like they are keeping the music store so presumably the drm servers are staying...
[22:37] <popey> ali1234: I suspect he means the android install that came on the laptop (tosh ac100)
[22:37] <popey> as opposed to "stock android"
[22:38] <ali1234> but that's a smarttop...
[22:38] <popey> whats the difference?
[22:38] <popey> storage?
[22:38] <ali1234> ARM chip
[22:39] <ali1234> or is it a smartbook...
[22:39] <ali1234> anyway, ac100 should get much more than 5 hours...
[22:39] <ali1234> 5 hours = good for x86, rubbish for arm
[22:39] <popey> i would have hoped for more too
[22:39]  * brobostigon get back to the floyd'athon, :)
[22:40] <popey> heh, spec says 8 hours max
[22:40] <popey> i guess doing nothing with the display on minimum
[22:40] <ali1234> hmm... not really
[22:41] <ali1234> still seems low
[22:41] <gord> its not just arm
[22:41] <gord> its a tegra 2
[22:42] <ali1234> i thought GPU optimizations were supposed to save power?
[22:42] <ali1234> that's what i keep hearing when i ask "what's the point of these fancy accelerated UIs?" anyway
[22:43] <brobostigon> ali1234: none at all, beos'swas perfect, :)
[22:43] <gord> lets put it this way, a regular arm chip system has one chip, a small cpu. this system has a 1ghz dual core cpu and a nvidia gpu, 5 hours at full brightness with non of the power optimisations on is pretty good
[22:43] <ali1234> NO
[22:44] <ali1234> beos was not perfect, it still isn't... the UI is annoying and buggy :/
[22:45] <brobostigon> ali1234: however the least fancy and logical, with no fancy extraious bells and whistles.
[22:45] <ali1234> gord: 5 hours at full brightness and no optimizations is pretty good
[22:45] <brobostigon> ali1234: haiku's is muchbetter, but with thatsame simplicity andlogical thought,
[22:47] <ali1234> brobostigon: it riminds me of irix... and not in a good way
[22:48] <brobostigon> ali1234: i never have used irix, i know its an svr4 varient and maybe made by HP, but more than that, i dont know.
[22:48] <ali1234> it was used on SGI machines
[22:48] <ali1234> it was really horrible
[22:49] <brobostigon> oh, ok.
[22:49] <ali1234> http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/irix53
[22:49] <directhex> irix is dead
[22:49] <directhex> it's never been supported on their ia64 or x86-64 hardware
[22:50] <ali1234> irix5.3 is apparently from 1994...
[22:50] <ali1234> directhex: yeah but i've never even seen any of that stuff, i've only used their mips machines...
[22:50] <brobostigon> ali1234: that a very different gui in thought and design from beos and haiku.
[22:51] <brobostigon> ali1234: thats more like nextstep.
[22:52] <ali1234> http://popcorn.cx/computers/sgi/indy/indy-r5000-01.jpg
[22:52] <ali1234> now *that's* a cool looking computer case...
[22:52] <directhex> irix uses cde doesn't it?
[22:52] <directhex> hm, no, clearly not
[22:54] <brobostigon> ali1234: http://bebox.nu/images/bebox/ppc/bebox-large.gif now thats a cool case.
[22:55] <directhex> brobostigon, blinkenlights!
[22:55] <brobostigon> directhex: hehe, :)
[22:55] <directhex> i still think the level 10 looks incredible
[22:55] <directhex> impractical, but incredible
[22:55]  * brobostigon declares directhex rocks,
[22:55] <directhex> the new level 10 gt is not nearly as good
[22:56] <directhex> http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/level10/l10beauty_lw.jpg
[22:58] <brobostigon> yeah, that £600 case.
[22:58] <directhex> what's £600 between friends? ^_^
[22:59] <brobostigon> alot.
[22:59] <brobostigon> iwouldnt sell a bebox for that.
[23:06] <Myrtti> wheeeeee sneezing is catastrophic...
[23:07] <Myrtti> anyway
[23:07]  * brobostigon gets Myrtti a box of tissues.
[23:07] <Myrtti> new Aldiko on Android Market
[23:22] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:24] <brobostigon> nos da cps :)
[23:24] <cps> nos da brobostigon :)
[23:26] <Nikedia> Hello Peeps