[11:34] <jogarret6204> hi.  where can i change settings in .juju-persistent-config files?  for example debug settigns are true, and I want them to be false for openstack components
[11:34] <jogarret6204> is this on stae server somewhere?
[11:35] <jogarret6204> i see them in the input yaml file for juju-deployer, and I can change them there.  But this is post-deployment with working vms.
[13:20] <lazyPower> jogarret6204: i'm not sure I understand. the .juju-persistent-config files - can you break this down a bit more for me so I can get you an answer?
[14:02] <beisner> jamespage, can you have a look at bug 1468511 and the linked merge proposal?
[14:02] <mup> Bug #1468511: leading spaces in ceph.conf template cause functional test failure (configparser) <amulet> <openstack> <uosci> <Charm Helpers:New> <cinder-ceph (Ubuntu):New> <cinder (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468511>
[14:08] <tvansteenburgh> jogarret6204: `juju set myservice key=val`
[14:12] <jogarret6204> @lazypower - thanks.  the initial yaml files used by juju-deployer had debug : true.  I want to now change to debug:  false
[14:12] <tvansteenburgh> juju set myservice debug=false
[14:12] <jogarret6204> @tvansteenburgh;  thanks - will give that a try
[14:43] <lazyPower> heyo tvansteenburgh
[14:43] <tvansteenburgh> yo
[14:43] <lazyPower> are you running cassandra tests atm?
[14:43] <tvansteenburgh> yes
[14:43] <lazyPower> ok, i just terminated all of them (troll)
[14:43] <tvansteenburgh> omp
[14:43] <lazyPower> not really - just in queue curious
[14:44] <lazyPower> i had one substrate kick my test suite, the rest were cassandra, i had a big whaaaa face after the fact
[14:44] <tvansteenburgh> yeah, i'm in revq and running tests for the stuff i'm reviewing
[14:44] <cholcombe> lazyPower: is there something special I need to do to get the 'merge proposal' button in launchpad?
[14:45] <lazyPower> cholcombe: the project you wish to merge into has to exist to get a MP button.
[14:45] <cholcombe> hmm ok
[14:45] <lazyPower> cholcombe: what you're looking for I imagine, is the create bug so you can assign a review to your branch :)
[14:45] <cholcombe> i'm just trying to merge into marco ceppi's gluster branch
[14:45] <cholcombe> oh i see
[14:45] <lazyPower> cholcombe: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store#submitting-a-new-charm
[14:45] <marcoceppi> cholcombe: not really worth merging into mine, just submit as anew charm
[14:45] <marcoceppi> cholcombe: because my charm isn't promulgated
[14:45] <cholcombe> oh?
[14:45] <cholcombe> alright then
[14:46] <marcoceppi> cholcombe: also, it's so badass that it's written in rust
[14:46] <cholcombe> lol :D
[14:46] <cholcombe> thanks man
[14:46] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: oh man, i dont see the whole "open a bug" workflow in our submit a charm docs :|
[14:46] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: it's there.
[14:47] <cholcombe> ok so i have my charm pushed to lp
[14:47] <cholcombe> next is creating the bug ?
[14:47] <marcoceppi> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store#recommended-charms
[14:48] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: yeah just found it
[14:48] <cholcombe> ah ok cool
[14:48] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: this doc sucks
[14:48] <marcoceppi> new review queue for life
[14:48] <lazyPower> its kind of hiding in there, i was looking for a big blinking sign
[14:48] <lazyPower> alas, we have no webm's in here
[14:51] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: looks like i'm primarily responsible for this doc too... I wrote this Sep 24 2014
[14:51] <lazyPower> https://github.com/juju/docs/commit/a2dc2d20399b3c0c9e3cb6e602635d9929e9b8ab
[14:51] <lazyPower> #blame me
[15:02] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: I always do
[15:03] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: hopefully July will give us some time to fix up the review queue
[15:18] <jogarret6204> tvansteenburgh:  thanks.  juju set worked great.  Is there any easy way to examine all juju parameters that are available per service?
[15:20] <tvansteenburgh> jogarret6204: `juju get myservice` will list them
[15:20] <jogarret6204> doh!  thanks again.  was trying juju list, juju show..
[15:23] <tvansteenburgh> jogarret6204: `juju help commands` will be useful as well
[15:30] <aisrael> cholcombe: marcoceppi: a charm written in rust? That's awesome.
[15:30] <cholcombe> :)
[15:30] <cholcombe> i'm writing the bug report/ review submission now
[15:34] <cholcombe> aisrael: i added you to the bug report :)
[15:34] <aisrael> woo!
[15:35] <cholcombe> aisrael: oh do i link people to the branch or the bug report?  I linked to the branch
[15:36] <aisrael> cholcombe: The bug report would be good
[15:36] <cholcombe> ok
[15:37] <cholcombe> alright charmers team is on the bug
[15:39] <aisrael> Perfect, thanks!


[13:01] <anti-freeze> tetris4, Hey tetris
[13:02] <tetris4> alo
[13:02] <anti-freeze> Whats up?
[13:04] <tetris4> kala leme
[13:04] <tetris4> esi?
[13:05] <anti-freeze> Pername. Been up to anything interesting?


[22:07] <CarlFK> where is the u version of https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/grub-installer.git/ ?
[22:08] <CarlFK> I have that on a debian stretch install, and something like this bug is happening https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785149
[22:24] <CarlFK> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/grub-installer/master/files
[22:32] <CarlFK> rats.  same as stretch.


[05:07] <Rhonda> paultag: Thanks, but that's just the official mail about it, it's not like I just started yesterday …  :)
[06:10] <dupondje> tumbleweed: about the shorewall-lite, seems like debian maintainer already tagged the bug as 'pending upload'
[06:10] <dupondje> so will indeed be fixed quite fast
[07:25] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <benonsoftware> Hello all
[07:58] <benonsoftware> msg ChanServ Hi
[07:58] <ronin___> hello
[07:58] <benonsoftware> Sorry about the msg ChanServ Hi. Forgot to add the / at the start :(
[08:40] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[08:44] <ronin___> hi
[08:45] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Hay
[08:46] <ronin___> benonsoftware: hi, how do you do?
[08:47] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Fine thanks, you?
[08:47] <ronin___> benonsoftware: good, thank you
[08:48] <benonsoftware> ronin___: You into programming?
[08:49] <ronin___> benonsoftware: actually at this time I configure my machine for begin
[08:49] <benonsoftware> ronin___: To begin what sorry?
[08:50] <ronin___> benonsoftware: programming
[08:50] <benonsoftware> Oh ok. What langugage fo you use? Python?
[08:50] <ronin___> I love Python
[08:50] <ronin___> and sometimes try to use C and Assambly
[08:50] <ronin___> and sometimes try to use C and Assembly
[08:51] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Know any where I could start with Python from startch?
[08:51] <ronin___> Of course use Python from Google Code
[08:52] <ronin___> Let me I search and send link to you
[08:52] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Thanks
[08:52] <ronin___> It's really fantastic
[08:53] <wzssyqa> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ns3  how to rebuild it ?
[08:53] <wzssyqa> somebody can help me?
[08:54] <ronin___> benonsoftware: http://knol.google.com/k/python-tutorials#
[08:54] <ronin___> benonsoftware: http://www.4shared.com/file/O66XysNF/Python_Web_training_site_offli.html
[08:55] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Thanks. For that.
[08:55] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Are you a MOTU?
[08:56] <ronin___> benonsoftware: http://www.4shared.com/dir/FKj6FkgN/Python_Trainings.html
[08:56] <benonsoftware> Thaks
[08:57] <benonsoftware> ronin___: You a MOTU?
[08:57] <ronin___> benonsoftware: no
[08:58] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Trying to be one?
[08:58] <ronin___> benonsoftware: actually be a linux kernel developer
[08:58] <benonsoftware> ronin___: I want to be a MOTU.
[08:59] <ronin___> benonsoftware: I think first step must be a MOTU
[08:59] <ronin___> benonsoftware: good
[08:59] <benonsoftware> ronin___: For kernel dev?
[08:59] <ronin___> benonsoftware: what
[08:59] <benonsoftware> ronin___: You said first step must be a MOTU. What did you mean?
[09:00] <ronin___> benonsoftware: for be kernel developer in first place must be a MOTU
[09:00] <ronin___> benonsoftware: you must read a lot
[09:00] <benonsoftware> ronin___: What do you mean read a lot?
[09:00] <ronin___> benonsoftware: It's hard but enjoyable
[09:01] <ronin___> benonsoftware: I read lot's of wiki page in ubuntu.com
[09:01] <ronin___> benonsoftware: debian.org
[09:06] <benonsoftware> ronin___: I know. I spend all day on wiki.ubuntu.com or launchpad.net searching stuff
[09:06] <ronin___> benonsoftware: It's really hard
[09:07] <ronin___> benonsoftware: all the people are busy and can't help
[09:07] <benonsoftware> ronin___: I have read just about every page on wiki.ubuntu.com at least a couple of comes.
[09:08] <benonsoftware> ronin___: I know. I ask on IRC. Answer: Sorry please go to wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU we're very busy now.
[09:08] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Or even. Busy. at work
[09:08] <ronin___> benonsoftware: Do you know how can get a code and try to fix a bug?
[09:09] <benonsoftware> ronin___: For what?
[09:10] <ronin___> benonsoftware: e.g. mozilla firefox
[09:10] <mok0> dholbach: Saw your name in an article on Ars
[09:10] <mok0> :-)
[09:10] <dholbach> mok0, oh really?
[09:10] <dholbach> I hope it wasn't anything embarrassing? :)
[09:10] <benonsoftware> ronin___: I think you can with bazaar
[09:11] <ronin___> but i got error
[09:11] <mok0> dholbach: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/07/hands-on-google-mobile-client-for-android-and-huddle-group-messaging.ars
[09:12] <benonsoftware> ronin___: What type of error?
[09:12] <dholbach> mok0, phew - I'm glad it wasn't anything worse :)
[09:12] <dholbach> that was in sunny Dublin last week :)
[09:13] <ronin___> Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,<IP_ADDRESS>' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[09:13] <ronin___> bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[09:14] <dholbach> ronin___, what did you try to do? push to a branch?
[09:15] <ronin___> bzr branch lp:testdrive
[09:16] <dholbach> that's a bit weird
[09:16] <mok0> dholbach: heh
[09:16] <dholbach> ronin___, maybe you can ask in #launchpad - they should know for sure
[09:17] <dholbach> I'm not sure if you have to   bzr launchpad-login
[09:17] <ronin___> yes I'm login
[09:18] <mok0> dholbach: looking forward to checking out Google+ myself
[09:19] <benonsoftware> ronin___: Try either #launchpad like dholbach said or #bzr
[09:19] <dholbach> mok0, it's a shame it's only opened so slowly
[09:19] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: Here's an attempt to tidy 3.0 (quilt) branches before pushing lp:~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/sponsor-patch-quilt I tested it with opendrim-lmp-systemmemory and am waiting to see if the importer likes it or not
[09:20] <ronin___> whar do you mean?
[09:20] <mok0> dholbach: I think that's a part of the whole scheme... when something's restricted, it generates an enormous interest...
[09:20] <dholbach> mok0, on the other hand you might lose interest if you have to wait too long :)
[09:20] <mok0> dholbach: well, there w
[09:21] <mok0> illl be a strong wish to follow the first movers
[09:21] <mok0> FB started the same way, remember? Myspace used to be bigger
[09:22] <dholbach> I was very late to the party the last few times :)
[09:22] <mok0> dholbach: heh, me too. Still am...
[09:49] <ronin___> dholbach: for getting code, must be member of the Testdrive?
[09:50] <benonsoftware> ronin___: I think so.
[09:50] <dholbach> ronin___, no
[09:50] <dholbach> just branching should be possible for all branches in LP
[09:51] <dholbach> (unless it's a private project, but that's only a small minority)
[09:54] <ronin___> Is it good idea for send mail to Dustin?
[09:55] <ronin___> and ask from him?
[11:09] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: can you write an online test for it?
[11:18] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: it didn't work anyway, I need to play more
[11:41] <didrocks> jtaylor: hey, can you forward your patch for https://code.launchpad.net/~jtaylor/ubuntu/oneiric/qtemu/fix-756221/+merge/67153 upstream?
[11:43] <jtaylor> didrocks: can do, but upstream seems pretty dead
[11:43] <didrocks> jtaylor: well, better to still try, even if there is no activity, at least, other distro can look at their bugtracker and pick the patch if needed
[11:43] <didrocks> jtaylor: meanwhile, I'm build testing and merging, thanks :)
[11:43] <jtaylor> its forwarded to debian
[11:44]  * jtaylor forwarding up
[11:50] <jtaylor> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3357677&group_id=184796&atid=910689
[11:52] <didrocks> jtaylor: excellent, thanks :)
[13:28] <jtaylor> sourcehighlight-qt segfaults with the new boost
[13:28] <jtaylor> and it can't use the old one as it has a dependency which needs the new one
[13:45] <jtaylor> ah no was just a library conflict
[13:45] <jtaylor> can someone shedule a rebuild of source-highlight so it picks up the new boost?
[13:47] <jtaylor> 8 {,r}deps
[14:05] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: according to the transition tracker, source-highlight-qt should be done first, and that won't rebuild without changes
[14:05] <tumbleweed> oh, other way around
[14:05] <jtaylor> it won't rebuild before libsource-highlight
[14:05] <jtaylor> I'm just preparing a branch that fixes the add needed problem
[14:08] <jtaylor> where is the boost transition tracker?
[14:09] <tumbleweed> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/boost1.46.html
[14:09] <jtaylor> thx
[14:09] <jtaylor> branch pushed
[14:10] <jtaylor> again a bit more extensive than usual, but its an ubuntu only package
[15:20] <aonyx> I am thinking of wetting my feet with some of the packaging bugs from the sprint
[15:20] <aonyx> found here http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/bugjam/
[15:20] <tumbleweed> ohi aonyx
[15:20] <aonyx> hello
[15:20] <aonyx> that was very quick
[15:22] <aonyx> so a question I have is if the bug is fixed in Debian whether there is any point in fixing it in ubuntu
[15:22] <tumbleweed> if it's fixed in debian, we probably want to sync the package over from debian
[15:23] <aonyx> aha, so I should look then for bugs that have not been fixed in Debian right?
[15:25] <tumbleweed> if it's actually been *fixed* (i.e. uploaded) in debian, then we want to check if it builds in oneiric, and file a sync request
[15:26] <tumbleweed> if the package doesn't fail to build in debian (e.g. --as-needed issues), there's little incentive for the package maintainer in debian to move quickly, and it's worth fixing in Ubuntu first
[15:26] <aonyx> ok, cool.
[15:26] <tumbleweed> that said, the --as-needed issues will affect debian in the future, so one might as well file the patch in debian first, and see if the maintainer bites
[15:28] <aonyx> okydokes, it was just that all the triaged bugs on the page seem to have been fixed over in debian already.
[15:28] <aonyx> I did manage to find something not fixed there, which I am going to take a shot at now.
[18:38] <jtaylor> hm what are the timeouts for builds which are hanging in ppas?
[18:38] <jtaylor> my ipython testsuite crashed and blocks :(
[18:39] <geser> 150 min with no output
[18:40] <jtaylor> so long :O
[18:42] <geser> some larger files needs some time for compilation especially on the slower archs
[18:42] <geser> or some programs working for some time (e.g. converting) without any output
[18:44] <jtaylor> what would happen if I upload a new revision now? would it kill the build?
[18:44] <geser> no
[19:14] <aonyx> tumbleweed: may I bug you for a second? :)
[19:20] <psusi> normally SRU procedure requires that a bug be fixed in the development release before being SRU'ed.  Natty had a regression where it duplicated entries on the battery menu when (un)plugging mains.  Since the battery icon has not been working at all in Oneiric, I can't even confirm that it suffers from the problem, let alone that it needs the same fix.  Is there a way to override the requirement that it be fixed in oneiric first?
[19:21] <geser> psusi: talk to the SRU team?
[20:08] <aonyx> so tumbleweed seems to be busy, in  which case I shall try asking the rest of you
[20:08] <aonyx> he said that you were all very helpful :)
[20:09] <aonyx> so I am trying to understand some changes that he helped me to make on a makefile for tabix
[20:09] <aonyx> makefile is here http://pastebin.com/CCze660P
[20:10] <aonyx> on line 41 we have libraries referred to: m and z, by "-lz" and "-lm" where could these libraries possibly be?
[20:10] <aonyx> as you can probably see I am quite new to this :)
[20:11] <jtaylor> aonyx: that expand to: libz.so and libm.so
[20:11] <jtaylor> lib prepended and extension added (.so or .a)
[20:12] <jtaylor> they are searched in gcc -print-search-dirs
[20:13] <jtaylor> the most important is /usr/lib and /usr/lib/`dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH`
[20:15] <aonyx> jtaylor: thanks
[23:59] <psusi> TheMuso, re bug #675108 I have not even been able to confirm that the problem exists on oneiric yet because the battery indicator does not show up at all, and I suspect that the problem was due to an ongoing transition that likely will resolve itself on oneiric.  Given that, is it not possible to go ahead with fixing the regression in natty for now, and come back to oneiric later if it is even an issue?


[00:05] <dogmatic69> is it possible to symlink files across pc's
[00:06] <dogmatic69> eg: symlink my .bash to a server, or the other way round
[00:06] <bigcalm> Yes
[00:07] <dogmatic69> is it ok to do something like that?
[00:07] <bigcalm> If it's mounted via CIFS or other share
[00:07] <dogmatic69> not a security issue or anything?
[00:07] <dutchie> it could get a little interesting if the network isn't working
[00:08] <dogmatic69> well i just want to add colors to the shell so its nothing important, from my pc to the server would be fine
[00:09] <dogmatic69> just figured it would be easier to maintain one file
[00:09] <bigcalm> Why would you want to symlink it? A copy isn't that hard to do :)
[00:09] <dogmatic69> hmm
[00:09] <dogmatic69> i could just make a git repo and then use git
[00:10] <dogmatic69> have like ~/stuff_repo and symlink that to ~/
[00:10] <dogmatic69> then i can just git pull the changes
[00:51] <BigRedS__> dogmatic69: you could use the same home directory on both machines? probably easier and quicker in practice
[00:51] <dogmatic69> rly
[00:51] <BigRedS__> and not hard to configure, assuming similar software versions and identical (or controllable) UIDs
[00:52] <dogmatic69> bot the exact same os
[00:52] <dogmatic69> dont know about uid though
[00:52] <BigRedS__> yeah, just export one /home via NFS and mount it on the other one at /home
[00:52] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[00:52] <BigRedS__> you could adjust the UID on one to match the other generally
[00:52] <dogmatic69> how you get the uid
[00:53] <BigRedS__> personally, I'd    grep <username> /etc/passwd    but there's probably an actual command to do it
[00:53] <dogmatic69> now that you mention it i think there was something in linux format about that
[00:53] <BigRedS__> there's probably sevral howtos on the net
[00:53] <dogmatic69> pfsh... i think i just busted my pc
[00:53] <BigRedS__> urk. what's it done?
[00:53] <dutchie> dogmatic69: id -u
[00:54] <dogmatic69> changed the host name, and now cant open nautulis with root
[00:54] <dogmatic69> No protocol specified
[00:54] <dogmatic69> Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:
[00:55] <dogmatic69> cool they are both the same
[01:09] <BigRedS__> opening nautilus with root?
[01:23] <dogmatic69> BigRedS__: ye :/
[01:23] <dogmatic69> sometimes i wanna use a proper editor to edit files
[01:23] <dogmatic69> dont know my way around nano/vi really
[01:37] <dutchie> nano is easy
[01:38] <dogmatic69> running nautilus as my user i get _IceTransSocketUNIXConnect: Cannot connect to non-local host dogmatic69-desktop
[01:38] <dogmatic69> dogmatic69-desktop is the old host name
[01:38] <dogmatic69> where can i find that?
[01:41] <dogmatic69> find /etc -type f -exec grep dogmatic69-desktop {} \; shows nothing
[01:50] <dutchie> dogmatic69: hve you rebooted or anything after changing hostname?
[01:50] <dogmatic69> no
[01:50] <dogmatic69> i am worried that ive not done everything and it wont boot
[01:50] <dutchie> it's probably old processes remembering from before the change then
[01:51] <dogmatic69> i tried stop hostname
[01:51] <dogmatic69> start hostname
[01:51] <dogmatic69> but get start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.78" (uid=1000 pid=16616 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
[01:52] <dutchie> dogmatic69: see if you can burn a live cd, then reboot
[01:52] <dutchie> if it doesn't boot, you can fix it from the live cd
[01:52] <dogmatic69> ye i got one
[01:52] <dogmatic69> also another pc
[01:52] <dogmatic69> but the pain :/
[06:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:28] <daubers> Morning
[07:51] <AlanBell> morning
[07:56]  * daubers goes to buy some electric then to potter to work
[07:59] <domjohnson> Hello
[07:59] <domjohnson> My school is off!
[07:59] <MichealH> Mine too
[08:00] <MichealH> 6 inches of snow here! And still snowing... And thundering... :S
[08:05] <domjohnson> About the same here :)
[08:05] <domjohnson> About 10 inches at my Mum's
[08:13] <ajedwards> where are you located?
[08:13] <ajedwards> we have very little lying snow but -8 outside
[08:16] <AlanBell> my car says it is -5 here
[08:20] <ajedwards> -4 in Lichfield, feels like -8... I've abandoned my kitchen as it's so cold my fridge doesn't have to work...
[08:21] <awilkins> Snow. Motorway. Doomed.
[08:21] <ajedwards> agreed
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> No snow here. :-|
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure if I should be happy or sad about it. 1/2 of me would quite like it, 1/2 of me wouldn't.
[08:26] <awilkins> Since I can work at home, I don't mind as long as the cupboards are not bare.
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone in London fancying Pizza Express for lunch - here's a 50% off the bill voucher code: http://clicks.pizzaexpress.com/DC/ctr.aspx?6C6164=393234333336&736272=$$EN8Mo1fG9LxYEEE&747970=7478&66=30
[08:26] <ajedwards> is it a london only deal?
[08:26] <ajedwards> ah i see (read it), fair play
[08:28] <DJones> Morning all
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[08:34] <awilkins> Anyone with coffee on the M62 eastbound? :-(
[08:37]  * DJones would deliver, but I'm just getting warm in the office
[08:41] <daubers> o/
[08:41] <daubers> -4 around reading this morning
[08:42] <awilkins> It's just getting up to 0 degrees here.
[08:43] <DJones> awilkins: Wherabouts on the M62 are you?
[08:43] <awilkins> Dewsbury-ish
[08:44] <DJones> Ah, that's the first time I'd say that Dewsbury has ever been "tropical" in comparison to the rest of the country
[08:44] <awilkins> Big frosty flakes now, proper tongue-catching snow.
[08:47] <domjohnson> ajedwards - just got your message - sorry!  That makes me soooo happy. (Grrr)
[09:07] <czajkowski> daubers: twice this week in fact
[09:07] <czajkowski> looking forward to getting very lost
[09:09] <daubers> czajkowski: It will be cold and smelly, be warned
[09:11] <czajkowski> heh
[09:11] <DJones> Bugger, its snowing in Altrincham
[09:14] <jpds> czajkowski: There's a map at every bus stop.
[09:16] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:18] <czajkowski> jpds: indeed
[09:18] <czajkowski> jpds: I'll be in canonical on Thursday :)
[09:18]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski
[09:19] <awilkins> /me applied for a job (with Canonical) but hasn't heard and is thus crap.
[09:23] <popey> morning
[09:23] <popey> awilkins: this is no unusual
[09:24] <wintellect> wow "reception" class schooling is "with it" - my 4 year old had to log into a class forum and post a comment!
[09:25] <awilkins> oh yes, understood from job page saying "no heary, no gettyjob", not upset or anything, at least I'm still employed.
[09:25] <czajkowski> MooDoo: oi oi
[09:26] <awilkins> /me walks to work now
[09:26] <czajkowski> popey: ello ello , how's you?
[09:26] <popey> meh
[09:28] <MooDoo> popey, wassup?
[09:38] <bigcalm> Brrr morning all :)
[09:38] <MooDoo> bigcalm, morning
[09:41]  * czajkowski hugs popey
[09:42] <popey> MooDoo: having a bad month
[09:42] <daubers> popey: Good news! Less than 2 days of this month left :)
[09:42] <MooDoo> popey, that's not good :( work?  nothing family related i hop
[09:43] <popey> daubers: yeah, hoping that the flip of a calendar page fixes it all :)
[09:43] <popey> MooDoo: a long boring story
[09:43] <daubers> popey: I find pay day fixes most things (being tomorrow and all)
[09:43]  * popey notes he's self employed
[09:44] <bigcalm> You are? I thought you worked in an office
[09:46] <daubers> popey: Ah, ok. I know some self emplotyed people that give themselves a monthly pay day in order to stop them spending company money on frivoulous things and assumed everyone did that. My survey group was obviously too small :)
[09:47] <popey> bigcalm: i am self employed and work in an office, yes :)
[09:47] <popey> daubers: I do that :)
[09:48] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[09:48] <popey> although I still spend money on frivoulous things too :)
[09:48] <bigcalm> Ah, you're a contract worker?
[09:48] <popey> yes
[09:48] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:49] <popey> RIP Leslie Nielsen btw
[09:49] <bigcalm> Oh no :(
[09:51] <directhex> surely not?
[09:52] <bigcalm> Don't call me Shirly
[09:53] <MooDoo> there is something happening in the cockpit......what's that?......well it's the thing at the front of the plane......
[09:53] <daubers> popey: Ah :)
[09:54]  * popey points everyone to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/quotes
[09:54]  * bigcalm shall watch Airplane! tonight
[10:06] <daubers> I picked the wrong week to give up coffee.
[10:07] <MooDoo> daubers, silly :D
[10:07] <kazade> morning all
[10:07] <kazade> it's FREEZING
[10:07] <MooDoo> kazade, morning, no it's not, it's only -1 :)
[10:08] <kazade> brrrr my stupid air-con takes about 3 hours to heat up :/
[10:11] <daubers> kazade: Depends on the air pressure in the local area
[10:11] <bigcalm> Ooo, it's snowing :)
[10:11] <daubers> kazade: Also depends on the definition of "it" being a metasyntactic variable, we can't ascertain the referred to mediums freezing point without more clarification
[10:14]  * daubers wonders if it will ever get cold enough in the UK for the nitrogen in the air to start liquifying
[10:14]  * kazade thinks daubers should have a coffee
[10:14] <jpds> daubers: No.
[10:16] <daubers> kazade: I think the opposite
[10:21]  * bigcalm hugs the radiator
[10:23] <screen-x> daubers: \o/ for caffeine free, have a peppermint tea :)
[10:23] <daubers> screen-x: Pepperming tea makes me sleepy
[10:23] <daubers> s/Pepperming/peppermint
[10:24] <daubers> screen-x: Roiboos is quite nice
[10:24] <screen-x> daubers: liquorice infusions are also nice :)
[10:24] <daubers> Ewwwwww
[10:24] <daubers> liquorice is evil
[10:24] <bigcalm> For constipation have a peppermint tea
[10:24] <daubers> Did sherbert dib dabs teach you nothing!
[10:24] <bigcalm> Liquorice, yum
[10:24] <MooDoo> I've just had a gingerbread latte :)
[10:25] <MooDoo> wanted cinnamon but they don't do it at costa
[10:25] <screen-x> Does peppermint have addictive properties? I seem to be drinking a lot of it at the moment..
[10:25] <screen-x> MooDoo: 2.3 already?
[10:26] <MooDoo> screen-x, huh?
[10:26] <screen-x> MooDoo: android reference
[10:26] <MooDoo> screen-x, ah getchya....2.3 codename gingerbread :D
[10:28] <daubers> Ok, python question: Is it possible to effectivley "nice" a spawned python thread?
[10:28] <screen-x> daubers: I don't know, but I have had loads of really useful help from the people in #python.
[10:29] <screen-x> all ~700 of them.
[10:32] <llewro> hi
[10:32] <MooDoo> hi
[10:33] <llewro> I'm thinking about getting into LAMP development and I've installed the components - MySQL, Apache2, PHP - but am now wondering whether or not I should try PostGreSQL too?
[10:34] <llewro> is it possible to run both PostGreSQL and MySQL side by side?
[10:34] <screen-x> llewro: yep
[10:34] <awilkins> llewro, It is most possible
[10:34] <llewro> cool, awilkins
[10:34] <screen-x> llewro: are you planning on developing websites from the ground up? or are you going to use one of the many frameworks? Frameworks tend to favour certain databases.
[10:35] <llewro> I'm planning on working from scratch
[10:35] <llewro> I find frameworks confusing really.
[10:36] <llewro> I used to do asp development, but didn't want to work in Visual Studio because of its peculiarities, so don't fancy Joomla etc either
[10:37] <llewro> installing both database servers and running them in parallel won't affect scripting or Apache2?
[10:37] <gord> start with the basics, learn how to print out "hello world" before worrying about frameworks :)
[10:37] <bigcalm> MySQL is friendlier
[10:37] <gord> or databases
[10:37] <gord> infact ignore databases entirely until you can do something really neat in php
[10:37] <awilkins> MySQL is friendlier. PostgreSQL is enterprisier
[10:37] <screen-x> awilkins: great adjective
[10:38] <bigcalm> llewro: having both databases will not hinder the web server
[10:38] <llewro> gord, what would be something 'neat' in php?
[10:38] <gord> llewro, iruno,  guess you'll show us in a few days after you have coded it! :)
[10:38] <bigcalm> :D
[10:38] <gord> (cough, remake cowsay in php)
[10:38] <bigcalm> llewro: how long have you been coding for?
[10:38] <bigcalm> gord: good mini project
[10:39] <screen-x> cowsay :)
[10:39] <bigcalm> llewro: do as gord suggests and make a cowsay clone
[10:40] <bigcalm> You can run PHP from the CLI as well as from a web server
[10:40] <llewro> not too long, I had to design a property website a couple of years ago, so I did it using asp and access
[10:40]  * bigcalm shudders
[10:40] <gord> then i can run cowsay.gordallott.com and do things like http://cowsay.gordallott.com/mooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[10:41] <bigcalm> gord: snappy url
[10:41] <llewro> not too long, I had to design a property website a couple of years ago, so I did it using asp and access)
[10:41] <bigcalm> Humf, .ay isn't a current TLD
[10:41] <llewro> after that, I spent some spare time messing around with asp and tried out scripting more...
[10:42] <bigcalm> Well, you'll be able to read code. That's a start
[10:44] <llewro> tbh, I have a project I want to complete, I've got the data modelling done, I've got to the stage where I know what tables I'll be needing (12 in all), what sections I want web-enabled, how I want it maintained ..
[10:44] <llewro> I could do the databse in Access and go with classic asp, but I want to learn something more powerful and current.
[10:44] <bigcalm> llewro: start small. Write a cowsay clone :)
[10:45] <Oli```> llewro: DJANGO!!!!
[10:45] <Oli```> 1
[10:45] <bigcalm> Ug
[10:45] <directhex> asp3? really?
[10:45] <directhex> it's 2010!
[10:45] <llewro> as I find IDEs complicated and scripting isn't really that difficult, I thought php-mysql-apache :
[10:45] <awilkins> Classic ASP. Urrgh.
[10:45] <llewro> :)*
[10:45] <AlanBell> llewro: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk was a nice little php project
[10:45] <directhex> awilkins: i was doing that at school... in the '90s.
[10:46] <llewro> directhex, I needed something I could get immediate results in.
[10:46] <directhex> ASP is as badly designed as PHP, but with none of the extensibility
[10:46] <llewro> I know Access/SQL, I didn't know MSSQL server or the whole area of dbms...
[10:47] <llewro> so I went with what works
[10:47] <llewro> OOPS
[10:47] <llewro> getting used to xchat
[10:47] <Oli```> llewro: Django (with a couple of lines) will automatically give you an admin area for all your "models" (tables)
[10:47] <llewro> you can tell I only recently moved to Ubuntu
[10:48] <Oli```> By the way, did I mention Django?
[10:48] <directhex> llewro: yeah, but jet databases are kinda... well, single-user. a website should handle more than one user at once
[10:48] <llewro> ok, I'll have a look at Django
[10:49]  * Oli``` ran a 30-concurrent-user Access-backend ASP website in the late 90s
[10:49] <llewro> alanBell, I have a project already - it's because of this, I'm giving PHP ago.
[10:49] <directhex> i'd say PHP was a reasonably direct route from ASP. it's a closer fit than ASP.NET anyway
[10:49] <AlanBell> llewro: if you are looking at django you need to use "south" as well because schema changes are a complete pain without it
[10:51] <llewro> hmm, that's what I was afraid of with the frameworks business... reading up on things that are not going to forward my immediate objective..
[10:52] <llewro> Ok, so if I create the db in PostGreSQL, as far as I'm aware, it will be more capable of servicing large and generic searches, better than MySQL
[10:53] <llewro> I read that it is much faster at serving lots of simple queries, I think.
[10:54] <llewro> which is why I'm thinking of using it for the db... which is why I'm here asking about potential hazards of installing it and configuring Apache2 & PHP to work with it.
[10:54] <directhex> llewro: postgre is harder to administer than my
[10:54] <screen-x> AlanBell: Thanks for the mention of south, looks very useful.
[10:56] <llewro> directhex, there's documentation online to cover most administration issues though?
[10:56] <directhex> sure
[10:56] <directhex> just sayin'
[10:57] <llewro> I don't mind the difficulty, so long as it won't result in a broken web-app once the userbase increases into the thousands ...
[10:58] <llewro> I need to create a working prototype, for business purposes
[10:59] <llewro> after that, the development side will be of no interest to me, just employ a developer :D
[10:59] <llewro> anyway, thanks all :)
[10:59]  * awilkins contemplates posting the link to the "MongoDB is web scale" amusing video. Then just does it. http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/1016320617/mongodb-is-web-scale
[11:10] <bigcalm> awilkins: haha
[11:16] <awilkins> Ahem, yes ; not safe for work or children (sorry)
[11:18] <jpds> awilkins: That was from August. :>
[11:18] <ajedwards> for every linux user http://www.edinburghzoo.org.uk/EZPenguinCam.html
[11:19] <screen-x> penguins :)
[11:19] <awilkins> jpds, And yet it's still funny every time I see it :0
[11:19] <bigcalm> The distro took its name from Tux?
[11:19] <jpds> awilkins: http://nigel.mcnie.name/blog/mysql-is-a-database
[11:22]  * bigcalm likes the pixies
[11:26] <jpds> bigcalm: They were an OK band.
[11:26] <bigcalm> ....
[11:28] <hoover_> hello biggie
[11:31] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie
[11:33]  * popey looks at his own nick and hopes nobody attempts to shorten it
[11:35] <awilkins> Lengthen it. (poopey)
[11:35] <hoover_> Shame there's no more Del Amitri, either 8(
[11:38] <DJones> You can still get Del Monte in the shops though :)
[11:41] <isaac> quit
[11:41] <isaac> exit
[11:42] <screen-x> popeye: your nick is best lengthened ;-)
[11:43] <nigelb> PopeyeTheSailorMan
[11:44] <screen-x> \o/ Sailing
[11:44] <nigelb> oooh, PopeyThePodcastMan
[11:44] <nigelb> popey: ^^
[11:45] <domjohnson> Hello
[11:46] <hoover_> heh
[11:46] <hoover_> I missed their last concert in Germany because of a holiday in greece
[12:29] <bigcalm> directhex: cheers mukka :D
[12:30] <bigcalm> 2.3MB/s
[12:30]  * bigcalm hugs Steam
[12:31]  * AlanBell is a bit cold
[12:32] <MooDoo> AlanBell, it's only -1 what's up with you ;)
[12:33] <popey> hello Stuart
[12:48] <AlanBell> MooDoo: my office would make a brass monkey feel distinctly uncomfortable
[12:50] <awilkins> Health and safety says if it drops below a certain mark you can go home
[12:51] <awilkins> Bossman has just told me to stop working on fixing the egregious RAM consumption of The Project of Doom. Hooray, now it's even more Doomed.
[12:51] <gord> awilkins... but.. i work from home!
[12:51] <awilkins> gord, Turn up the radiator and claim tax relief on the fuel :-)
[12:54] <MooDoo> AlanBell, eeeeeek
[12:57] <Craig_Dem> I enjoy these forced breaks from school.
[12:57] <Craig_Dem> We need them more often.
[13:01] <AlanBell> awilkins: I am home!
[13:02] <gord> radiators are back on, the fuel bill can be high, thats a problem for future gord. right now present gord needs to be warm!
[13:02] <popey> http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2i-specifications/
[13:02] <popey> interesting device
[13:04] <gord> do we know if the intel hardware acceleration stuff works on linux?
[13:06] <awilkins> The Intel stuff ought to, they are some of the more pleasant OSS driver contributors, no?
[13:06] <AlanBell> gord: is this some specific bit of hardware you mean?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: except for Poulsbo/GMA500
[13:07] <awilkins> Waah.
[13:07] <awilkins> Would make a fabulous MythTV slave, that would
[13:07] <awilkins> Probably even a good server, as long as you're not a big transcoder (I'm not)
[13:27] <czajkowski> afternoon
[13:29] <gord> AlanBell, no, pretty much all graphics chips made in the last 10 years or so have had video acceleration, its just that the last thing i heard of from intel was xvmc which is great at decoding mpeg2 but can't really do anything else.
[13:29] <gord> ie: i don't think there is an api for the later techs intel is using
[13:31] <AlanBell> yeah, I thought you were not asking the question everyone thought you were asking!
[13:33] <AlanBell> so you are asking about hardware video decoding? not OpenGL or anything like that?
[13:34] <gord> right
[13:34] <gord> like nvidia's vdpau
[13:35] <directhex> viddy-pow!
[13:36] <MooDoo> didn't vdpau sing that song china in your hands?
[13:36] <MooDoo> lol
[13:37] <AlanBell> !info xorg-video-intel
[13:37] <AlanBell> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel
[13:38] <AlanBell> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-latest-intel-driver-2.12-on-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx looks like it should be there
[13:48] <X3N> Does anyone know how in JavaScript var cat[5] = New Boolean (0); would be achieved ?
[13:48] <dogmatic69> try it...
[13:49] <dogmatic69> var something = false;
[13:50] <awilkins> Oh joy, the snow commenceth here in Leeds
[13:50] <X3N> I did try it, doesn't understand that it should be an array as there is no new Array ()
[13:50] <dogmatic69> awilkins: lucky
[13:50] <awilkins> Lucky? I live near Wigan!!!!
[13:50] <dogmatic69> X3N: so make the array first
[13:50] <dogmatic69> awilkins: ah
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> X3N: var foo = [false];
[13:51] <awilkins> You can't do var cat[5] - there is no type "array of five"
[13:51] <X3N> then I would have to assign each instance in the array as a boolean type
[13:51] <dogmatic69> im in burms, should be tonight, tomorrow and wed
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> X3N: or var foo = new Array(5); foo[0] = false;
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> or foo.push(false);
[13:52] <dogmatic69> var something = new Array(); something[5] = false
[13:52] <X3N> no, because it's not a boolean type
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> X3N: Javascript doesn't really "do" types
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> X3N: sure it respects them, but it doesn't enforce
[13:52]  * awilkins detests Javascript for this amongst other reasons
[13:52] <X3N> I don't mind about enforcing, I mind about being able to manipulate a type in the normal way
[13:52] <awilkins> Along with VBScript.
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> X3N: it's an array.. you manipulate it like an array
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> X3N: the elements are booleans, you handle them as  booleans
[13:53] <awilkins> Not especially keen on Python either, to be honest, but I like it about a bajillion times more than VBScript.
[13:53] <X3N> er array's aren't a type, they're a structure of types, which is what I'm asking how to do
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> X3N: not in javascript :)
[13:54] <X3N> so there is no way to do boolean cat[3]
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> X3N: you can say "cat[3] = new Boolean()"
[13:55] <X3N> without looping through the array setting the type
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> you're not "setting the type", you're assigning a value to the element
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> there's no such thing as types (like Java has) in that way
[13:55] <X3N> that doesn't work
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> you can say "var foo = new Array(); foo = new Boolean();" and it won't break
[13:56] <X3N> ah, that sounds like it might work
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> it won't :)
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> it'll create a variable named "foo" that's an empty array
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> then it'll overwrite the array, create a new boolean and assign it to "foo"
[13:57] <X3N> faailll
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> it's how the language works
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> it's all very logical :)
[13:58] <czajkowski> just booked flights home for xmas  will be missing the Ubuntu UK Christmas party!
[13:59] <AlanBell> oh noes]
[13:59] <czajkowski> *shrugs* cannot be helped
[13:59] <czajkowski> if I wait till the 22nd prices go up y about 160
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> pounds or euros? :)
[14:01] <czajkowski> pounds
[14:01] <czajkowski> which is even worse
[14:02] <AlanBell> so for anyone holding off putting their name down for fear that czajkowski would be there . . . http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/568/detail/
[14:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski, awww and i wanted to so hug you :p
[14:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: :s
[14:04] <daubers> \o/ I love it when you spend a month building assorted pieces of a program, and then when you make the glue bit it all works seemlessly
[14:06] <daubers> Also, if czajkowski Isn't going to be there.... then there'll be more cake for me!
[14:06] <czajkowski> daubers: no love either buddy!
[14:07]  * czajkowski pours ice cold water on daubers and AlanBell meanies!
[14:07]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski
[14:07] <daubers> czajkowski: You'll get cake next time
[14:08] <daubers> The question is, do I bake a cake or buy a cake...
[14:08] <screen-x> daubers: yay for working programs :)
[14:08] <daubers> gah, I hate the sound of failed raids in the afternoon
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> RAIDs or WoW?
[14:08] <screen-x> daubers: how did you fix your threading issue?
[14:09] <daubers> screen-x: reniced the whole program in it's init script
[14:10] <daubers> MartijnVdS: RAIDs
[14:10] <daubers> MartijnVdS: building a new raid 6 on brand new disks and have a disk failure
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I have some coworkers that hate the sound of failed WoW raids 8-)
[14:10] <screen-x> daubers: WD?
[14:11] <daubers> screen-x: Toshiba I think.... 1TB 2.5" drives though, so known to be a bit problematic
[14:11] <screen-x> I didn't know you get 1TB in 2.5"...
[14:11] <daubers> screen-x: They're quite hard to get hold of
[14:12] <daubers> screen-x: They where available then they where all pulled, then they where, then they where pulled. Going through a phase of being able to get them now
[14:12] <daubers> screen-x: Similar to this http://www.shop.bt.com/products/toshiba-1tb-2-5--5400-8mb-sata300-7366.html
[14:14] <screen-x> weird, I wouldn't have thought of BT as a components supplier. Quite cheap for a 2.5" disk.
[14:17] <daubers> screen-x: They own dabs
[14:19] <screen-x> Heh, that was 4 years ago, and I didn't notice.
[14:19] <oly> anyone know a way to do a memory check while in ubuntu ?
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> while _in_ Ubuntu?
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> no ide
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> a
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> but there's always memtest in the boot menu
[14:19] <screen-x> Probably because the only bt product I've been interested in for years is infinity..
[14:19] <oly> yeah, as in grub does not have the option because i am using wubi
[14:20] <oly> and i am also using the machine so dont have time to sit and wait for it to complete
[14:20] <oly> but the machine keeps randomly locking up
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> but it's in the boot menu so it can be sure to check all memory
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> instead of being limited by what  the kernel thinks is in use
[14:20] <oly> its not actually in the boot menu
[14:20] <X3N> MartijnVdS: looks like i can do var cats = [new Boolean(0), new Boolean(0), new Boolean(0)]
[14:20] <oly> not with wubi for some reason
[14:21] <daubers> oly: I don't think you can run it while using the system, as it needs to access all the available memory and the system will be using some
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> X3N: sure, but that's the same as "var cats = [false, false, false];" right?
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> X3N: I mean.. why the objects when simple values will do :)
[14:21]  * screen-x writes strings to X3N's array
[14:21] <X3N> dunno
[14:21] <oly> i thought that may be the case
[14:21] <oly> but dont think work would be to impressed if i sit there watching it instead of working :p
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> set it to scan overvnight
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> overnight*
[14:29] <MattJ> X3N: Get yourself a Javascript tutorial or book :)
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> MattJ++
[14:30] <X3N> I have, It's proping up my monitor
[14:30] <MattJ> Problem found then :)
[14:31] <X3N> it would cause more of a problem to me if my monitor wasn't propped up ;)
[14:31] <MattJ> "Array" is a type of object in Javascript, they can contain any number of elements (they grow automatically) and each element can be of any type
[14:31] <MattJ> if you access an element that hasn't been set then you get "undefined"
[14:31] <MattJ> which is equivalent to false or null in most expressions
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a language or  two I know
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> (Perl, Python)
[14:32] <X3N> yeah, I get that, it was type assignment of elements in an array
[14:32] <MattJ> Plus using false would be more efficient than new Boolean(0)
[14:39] <gpd> don't suppose anyone works in a datacentre / comms room?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> gpd: not as such.. but why? :)
[14:41] <directhex> gpd: why?
[14:47] <Azelphur> Hmm, according to the specs for my mobo, it says it can support RAID 0+1, yet I only see 2 SATA Ports
[14:47] <Azelphur> it's a P5VD1-X, what is this madness? D:
[14:48] <diplo> maybe it supports it if you use a sata card ?
[14:48] <Azelphur> maybe
[14:49] <screen-x> Azelphur: does it support 0 or 1, rather than 0+1?
[14:49] <Azelphur> "RAID SupportRAID 0 • RAID 1 • RAID 0+1 • JBOD Support"
[14:50] <awilkins> Maybe it's RAID 1+0
[14:52] <Azelphur> awilkins: but that still requires 4 hds?
[14:53] <awilkins> Azelphur, Wikipedia says it can do 2. But I don't see the advantage over RAID 0 then.
[14:53] <Azelphur> heh I'm just interested in plugging the new 2TB Drive I just bought in :p
[14:54] <Azelphur> I suppose I need a cheap/simple card to provide me with extra sata ports, I don't want raid or anything
[14:54] <awilkins> Or a USB caddy
[14:54] <Azelphur> yea but that's more expensive and adds more boxes outside the case
[14:54] <awilkins> 'spose
[14:54] <screen-x> Azelphur: careful with cheap pci sata cards, I bought one of those, and it was horrendously buggy, everytime I sha1sumd a good disk, I got a different result :(
[14:55] <Azelphur> :(
[14:55] <Azelphur> screen-x: got a recommendation?
[14:55] <screen-x> Azelphur: nope, In the end I got a new mobo that had sata support..
[14:55] <Azelphur> haha
[14:55] <screen-x> I guess the recommendation is don't buy the cheapest..
[15:01] <Azelphur> I suppose for now I'll sling it in USB because I might be getting a new box to replace that one in janurary :p
[15:01] <Azelphur> so we'll see what happens :D
[15:10] <awilkins> I have the inverse... my chipset doesn't seem to like drives on eSATA cables
[15:10] <awilkins> I'm contemplating getting a SATA card just to get faster drive performance
[15:11] <awilkins> Or maybe I should just trash my Windows install again and plunk the 1.5TB drive INSIDE to replace the 500GB one.
[15:12] <popey> I had a problem with the sata port on the acer revo :(
[15:12] <awilkins> Having a home folder on a 120GB partition is surprisingly tight for space on the projects I'm on (which have resource folders with 1.5GB of text in that they then proceed to shove into a jar and then unpack in working folders.
[15:12] <popey> you cant use a port multiplier on them :(
[15:16] <screen-x> popey: do they have to be explicitly supported by the sata controller?
[15:16]  * Azelphur partitions his new 2TB HDD :p
[15:16] <popey> yes
[15:16] <popey> and the el-cheapo nv one doesnt
[15:17] <screen-x> :( I hoped it was part of the esata spec.
[15:17] <Azelphur> gotta love motivating my mum to get a new telly :p
[15:18] <ball> Azelphur: Is her old one broken?
[15:18] <daubers> If someone buys my car today I may buy myself a shiny telle
[15:18] <popey> http://vimeo.com/12572212
[15:18] <popey> cute! ^^
[15:18] <Azelphur> we still have some 1970's sony trinitron, she keeps bugging me because the HTPC is slow, so I upgraded the graphics card to get some VDPAU going on. Only working S-Video port is on the front of the telly :D
[15:18] <Azelphur> so 3 wires all across the front of the telly, perfect motivation :D
[15:19] <popey> cant use scart in the back?
[15:19] <screen-x> popey: ssshh
[15:19] <popey> heh
[15:19] <Azelphur> popey: thats broken too
[15:19] <daubers> or it will be in 5 minutes ....
[15:20] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/2010-06-14%2001.37.49.jpg old 1970's monster TV will eat you xD
[15:20] <Azelphur> I'm not even joking, that TV is older than I am
[15:21] <popey> i have a telly thats probably older than you
[15:21] <popey> most reliable telly I have ever owned
[15:21] <popey> Sony Trinitron
[15:21] <Azelphur> popey: that is a sony trinitron lol
[15:22] <gpd> I'm working with a spin-out company that has a network cable monitoring system in development. looking for trial sites ... long shot but thought i'd try...
[15:24] <gpd> anyway -- lovely weather  -= later
[15:26] <ball> I think my "network cable monitoring system" is ping ;-)
[15:28] <ball> popey: Now I wish I had Ubuntu cookies to dip in my tea.
[15:29] <ball> After Thanksgiving dinner, my brother-in-law whipped out his netbook and my niece fetched hers.  I turned my back for five minutes and by the time I got back they'd reformatted hers with Ubuntu Netbook Edition. :-)
[15:29] <ball> ...then at work yesterday another member of staff asked me to bring in the Ubuntu DVD so that he could wipe his laptop.
[15:30] <ball> People seem very receptive to it.
[15:30] <czajkowski> /c/c
[15:36] <lazarus_> im messing with a virtualbox install of zentyal
[15:41] <popey> thats ebox as-was isnt it lazarus_ ?
[15:43] <lazarus_> popey: yea im a total linux server noob soo i thought id give it a go
[15:44] <dutchie> who manages the planet nowadays?
[15:45] <jpds> dutchie: The governments of the world?
[15:45] <dutchie> hohoho
[15:46] <screen-x> dutchie: practising for holiday work?
[15:47] <dutchie> screen-x: eh?
[15:47] <jpds> screen-x: I think we've overtrolled him.
[15:48] <popey> dutchie: me, X3N and Daviey
[15:49] <dutchie> i think my feed url is broken
[15:49] <dutchie> yeah, it should be /blog/feeds/rss/ now
[15:50] <popey> edit the wiki
[15:51] <dutchie> i did, ages ago
[15:52] <lazarus_> Mmmm VomitOverIP
[15:58] <popey> dutchie: fixed, sorry about that
[15:58] <dutchie> popey: cheers
[15:59] <popey> np
[16:00] <X3N> popey: don't think anyone has added the last update either
[16:00]  * popey does that
[16:03] <popey> X3N: not very ubuntu related
[16:04] <X3N> yeah, though I don't think we ever came up with a policy
[16:05] <X3N> well, that was a whole other kettle of fish
[16:13] <kazade> ok, who want's to beta test my game?
[16:13] <kazade> you need to be running 64bit..
[16:13]  * kazade hasn't packaged it yet
[16:14] <dutchie> i was about to volunteer, then you said 64 bit
[16:14] <bigcalm> I would if my laptop were switched on
[16:14] <X3N> can't you release the source?
[16:14] <kazade> I plan to at some point
[16:14] <kazade> but not yet
[16:14] <popey> kazade: yup
[16:14] <kazade> popey, http://bit.ly/ubbbeta
[16:14] <popey> kazade: i have 64-bit Ubuntu at home
[16:14] <kazade> you may need to install SDL and SDL_mixer
[16:14] <popey> cant test till later
[16:15] <kazade> ok
[16:15] <dutchie> hmm, my loadavg is up to 8.44 and i am not doing anything
[16:15] <popey> where's the bug tracker?
[16:15] <popey> :)
[16:15] <kazade> my email address :p
[16:15] <kazade><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:15] <dutchie> maybe a minecraft server is not necessary
[16:15] <kazade> popey, space is fire, left/right arrows move
[16:15] <kazade> 'p' pauses
[16:16] <bigcalm> Just tried to load ,omecraft
[16:16]  * popey nudges bigcalms right hand to the left by one key
[16:17] <directhex> kazade: it works
[16:17] <kazade> woo
[16:17] <kazade> :D
[16:19]  * bigcalm chuckles
[16:19] <bigcalm> Last point I had saved was during a sand cave-in I was under
[16:19] <bigcalm> But didn't remember until afterwards. Was wondering why I just died
[16:20] <dutchie> silly bigcalm, mining upwards
[16:20] <bigcalm> dutchie: I do it all the time, just hadn't been directly beneath a sand roof at the time
[16:20] <dutchie> now you know why you shouldn't :)
[16:21] <bigcalm> Yadda yadda :P
[16:22] <popey> i planted some nice bamboo last night
[16:22] <popey> grows very quicky
[16:22] <popey> as do trees
[16:22] <czajkowski> popey: you're missing from over there --->
[16:22] <popey> oo
[16:23] <bigcalm> I have 2 ponds covered in ice/glass. You can't mine it iirc?
[16:26] <awilkins> I must try the Minecraft updates
[16:27] <diplo> I suppose i ought to try it, you all bought it ?
[16:27] <awilkins> My current world is just my little island home. With secret underground tunnel to the mainland.
[16:27] <diplo> directhex, what was that about free games on Twitter earlier ?
[16:27] <popey> i have lots of homes spread over 3 worlds :)
[16:27] <bigcalm> diplo: he was being very kind for some unknown reason :)
[16:27] <diplo> Anyone here know what eddie murphy dvd was banned ?
[16:28] <popey> raw
[16:28] <popey> iirc
[16:28] <diplo> I thought that, but you canbuy on amazon..
[16:28] <diplo> Seems odd, unless it's been censored
[16:28] <bigcalm> Crass and dull
[16:28] <popey> i suspect it was previously banned now unbanned
[16:29] <popey> its very old and unfunny these days IMO
[16:30] <awilkins> Channel 4 had a "banned" season of films once. Clockwork Orange, Life of Brian, etc.
[16:30] <diplo> yeah, not for me. For my chinky take away man, seeing if I can find someone who still supplies it
[16:30] <diplo> life of brian was banned
[16:30] <diplo> ?
[16:30]  * diplo watched that recently
[16:30] <awilkins> In Ireland, and other places, for sure.
[16:30] <directhex> clockwork orange has never been banned
[16:30] <bigcalm> It was by Kubrik
[16:30] <bigcalm> He didn't want people to see his work
[16:30] <directhex> kubrick withdrew it from sale
[16:31] <directhex> well, except for the laserdisc
[16:31] <diplo> thats what i watchd it on
[16:31] <kazade> directhex, btw, try typing "bug1" during gameplay ;)
[16:31] <screen-x> dutchie: interesting that you are banned from using wifi, any particular reasons for that?
[16:32] <bigcalm> The Infinite Monkey Cage now on R4 :)
[16:32] <dutchie> screen-x: dunno
[16:32] <bigcalm> directhex: thank btw
[16:32] <dutchie> there was a reason, but i've forgotten
[16:33] <dutchie> stupid creeper explosions destroying my house :(
[16:33] <bigcalm> dutchie: double width cobble stone
[16:33] <awilkins> Build house on well-lit island with 2-deep seabed on all sides
[16:33] <dutchie> well, i say destroy
[16:33] <dutchie> my house is sculpted out of a hill
[16:34] <bigcalm> Also, build your house in the sky
[16:34] <dutchie> current project is remove all of the hill above
[16:34] <popey> bigcalm: stone!
[16:34] <popey> put cobble in a furnace and you get stone out, more robust than cobble
[16:34] <dutchie> surprised my glass roof survived tbh
[16:34] <bigcalm> Well, yes. But expensive on coal
[16:34] <popey> meh, coal is abundant :)
[16:35] <popey> i found a mob spawner for the first time at the weekend
[16:35] <popey> very scary
[16:35] <bigcalm> I wish iron was
[16:35] <awilkins> They ought to have a coalpig
[16:35] <awilkins> Eats grass. Poos coal.
[16:35] <bigcalm> popey: I did the other day. Freaked me out and loss 2 diamon swords/picks :(
[16:35] <popey> i built a water trap under it then dug out the underside of the mob spawner room, so the skeletons would spawn and fall in water :)
[16:35] <awilkins> Or perhaps you could use pork fat as fuel
[16:35] <popey> i have _no_ diamonds :(
[16:36] <awilkins> I saw a kind of "satellite image" trick for finding diamonds
[16:36] <popey> there is a nice java app for viewing the map
[16:36] <awilkins> You use some kind of resource editor to generate a bitmap of diamond locations. And dig there.
[16:36] <popey> yeah
[16:37] <bigcalm> That's cheating
[16:37] <awilkins> Only if you think it is
[16:37] <bigcalm> I think it is :P
[16:37] <dutchie> i have 2 dimonds \o/
[16:37] <bigcalm> dutchie: please don't make a dimond hoe
[16:38] <dutchie> hah
[16:38] <dutchie> they are securely stored in a chest waiting for me to think of something interesting to do with them
[16:38] <awilkins> Make a pair of big-assed earrings and offer them to a creeper for his eternal love.
[16:39] <awilkins> Just as sane as the people who make functional CPUs
[16:40] <popey> i need to build a trap for creepers
[16:40] <popey> so i can get the dynamite
[16:40] <bigcalm> :D
[16:40] <bigcalm> What's a good creeper trap?
[16:40] <awilkins> Is that how you get dynamite? By killing creepers?
[16:40] <popey> yes, they drop it
[16:41] <popey> then you mix it with sand to make tnt
[16:41] <awilkins> Great, monsters that pee nitroglycerine
[16:41] <popey> 4 parts sand, 5 parts dynamite
[16:42] <dutchie> i want to find some gold
[16:45] <awilkins> Do you need the diamond pick to cut obsidian
[16:49] <popey> awilkins: i think so
[16:49] <awilkins> Fantastic, massive pile-up on M62, just what I needed
[16:50] <awilkins> Looks like an overnight in Leeds. And mojitos.
[17:05] <awilkins> Surely it should be clay
[17:06] <awilkins> Dynamite is nitrogylcerine and kieslguhr
[17:06] <bigcalm> awilkins: yes you do (confirming popey's unsure answer)
[17:06]  * daubers hands awilkins a cake with some big red sparkly candles
[17:06]  * daubers hides behind a big rock
[17:07] <bigcalm> I've got some gold. What's it good for?
[17:07] <awilkins> Gold tools : flashy, but pointless.
[17:07] <awilkins> (well, after a couple of strokes anyway)
[17:07] <screen-x> bigcalm: absolutely-nothing
[17:07] <bigcalm> Huh, say it again
[17:11]  * awilkins leaves to enter a world of cold and pain.
[17:17] <dogmatic69> running 10.10 x64 and a few days ago flash died, i cant use youtube and other sites now
[17:17] <dogmatic69> anyone know what i can check for issues?
[17:20] <screen-x> dogmatic69: could try reinstalling adobe-flashplugin
[17:20] <screen-x> !info adobe-flashplugin
[17:20] <dogmatic69> i just uninstalled everything that says flash
[17:20] <screen-x> I think its in partner
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> flashplugin-installer ?
[17:24] <dogmatic69> reinstalled and its the same
[17:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Josh Holland] Look, no hands! - http://www.joshh.co.uk/blog//look-no-hands/
[17:26] <dogmatic69> ?
[17:27] <dogmatic69> i tried the gnome one and that does nothing, firefox still says missing plugin
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> whoa, unity bits in natty, I think
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> unity-place-applications{a} unity-place-files{a}
[17:28] <dogmatic69> and the flash one is the same as how it was, if i mouse over flash things firefox hangs, fb file upload does not work youtube does random things
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> sounds like you installed one of the "alternative" flash players
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> gnash or something
[17:31] <dogmatic69> and firefox keeps crashing
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> that's just firefox 8-)
[17:31] <dogmatic69> google chrome does not work either
[17:31] <dogmatic69> nor does chromium
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> what kind of machine are you running this on?
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> do you have little ram and no swap?
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> bad ram?
[17:32] <dogmatic69> quad core Q8200 intell with 8 gigs of ram
[17:33] <dogmatic69> hmmm, analytics is working again
[17:33] <dogmatic69> ok, now the fb picture upload is working again but opening the file dialogue makes the screen dim
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> what does about:plugins say (put that in your URL  bar)
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> (so instead of http://foobar.com/ type about:plugins)
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin
[17:37] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538014/
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> looks like the real flash
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> Java might be crashing Firefox
[17:40] <dogmatic69> thought java was disabled
[17:40] <dogmatic69> is there a way to turn it off?
[17:40] <diplo> evening all
[17:41] <diplo> anyone seen this before ? USB-IDE caddy
[17:41] <diplo> usb 1-5: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
[17:41] <diplo> Nov 29 17:38:28 desktop kernel: [  660.686793] scsi 8:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[17:42] <Guest25775> hi can anyone help me with  wine!  when i try to install an application, wine log me off ubuntu10.10??
[17:43] <Guest25775> something about X11??
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: what are you trying to install?
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: and what kind of graphics chip + driver do you have?
[17:44] <Guest25775> teamviewer.exe, i done it with 10.04 without problem since the upgrade it start to do that
[17:44] <Guest25775> and some other app like Gmaker (game maker) application
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> what kind of graphics card/chip do you have?
[17:45] <Guest25775> i do not know??
[17:45] <Guest25775> i could i find out
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> Intel, AMD/Ati, nvidia?
[17:45] <Guest25775> ohh my pc is AMDduron
[17:47] <jacobw> Someone else has come on here with this problem recently
[17:48] <Guest25775> yes there is acouple of people on the internet who have this problem with wine
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> if X crashes,  that means there's a bug in your X driver
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> so we need to know your chipset
[17:49] <Guest25775> ok that does not sound good
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> Radeon? Geforce?
[17:49] <Guest25775> well the bug came with the upgrade to 10.10
[17:49] <Guest25775> well i can irectify the problem
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: can you put /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old on pastebin?
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin | Guest25775
[17:51] <Guest25775> ok but when i try to install any windows app, it log off straight and i cannot do aything but to log in again
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: sure, that's why I ask you to upload the OLD log file :)
[17:51] <Guest25775> so i cannot do any screen shot
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: just open that file in the text editor (it's in the "applications" menu somewhere)
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: then copy/paste to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:52] <Guest25775> sorry i am a new to comand line so i need your help
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: no command line needed!
[17:53] <Guest25775> ok i find it
[17:54] <Guest25775> so should i paste the following file in the text editor   /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: File -> open -> browse to /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old in "filesystem"
[17:55] <Guest25775> ok i am going to the bin now hold on
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> well? :)
[17:59] <Guest25775> ok here it is  http://paste.ubuntu.com/538027/
[17:59] <AlanBell> window 49
[17:59] <AlanBell> fail
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> Wow, is this an old computer, Guest25775?
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> SAVAGE, haven't seen that in ages :)
[18:00] <Guest25775> yes 11 years old and thanks to ubuntu it is runing like a perfect clock
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> I don't know how to fix your problem, sorry
[18:01] <Guest25775> ohhh  ok thank you for trying!!
[18:03]  * jacobw attempts to search the IRC logs for the other person who had this problem
[18:06] <jacobw> Guest25775,
[18:06] <jacobw> Do you know what video driver you're using?
[18:07] <Guest25775> well i have this in the old file    http://paste.ubuntu.com/538027/
[18:09] <Guest25775> any advice jacobw
[18:10] <jacobw> The only advice I can find online is to reinstall the nvidia drivers, but seen as you aren't using the nvidia drivers, I don't have any advice
[18:10] <Guest25775> ok thank you
[18:11] <jacobw> Sorry we can't help you, you might want to try asking on http://askubuntu.com/
[18:37] <dutchie> AlanBell: interesting article
[18:38] <dutchie> though I have not even heard of Sakai :)
[18:44] <danfish> evening all
[18:46]  * danfish has been left stranded by the weather
[18:47] <Laney> the weather appears to have swallowed my taxi
[18:47] <danfish> the weather has swallowed my airplane :(
[18:48] <Laney> :'(
[18:50] <nperry> would like some snow..
[18:51] <danfish> supposed to fly a patient from Lisbon -> Edinburgh, then back to Londinium for me.
[18:51]  * jacobw is heading out to the gym tonight
[18:51] <jacobw> in the snow
[18:52] <danfish> I like Lisbon, but it's peeing down and cold
[18:52] <dutchie> Azelphur: which keyboard was it you were writing drivers for?
[18:52] <Azelphur> dutchie: not me, ali1234 :p
[18:52] <Azelphur> the Logitech G19
[18:53] <dutchie> ah
[18:53] <Azelphur> and other G-Series devices
[18:53] <jacobw> i made a silly mistake this morning, i opened van door and put the windscreen wipers on, which pushed all the snow off the window and in to the cab :(
[18:53] <Azelphur> I was working on a front end but I hit a brick wall :(
[18:53] <dutchie> oh, i knew you were something to do with it
[18:53] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[18:53] <popey> oooo heavy snow predicted for tomorrow at popey towers!
[18:54] <popey> work from home o'clock!
[18:54] <jacobw> shirk from home o'clock even?
[18:54] <heeed> oooo, just had heavy snow today :)
[18:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/statuses/9305921503105025 :-)
[18:57] <danfish> and with that joyous news deom popey and TheOpenSourcerer (noting that where they live isn't too far from Gatwick) danfish is hoping to be home by Xmas:(
[18:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> hah
[18:57] <popey> :)
[18:57] <danfish> s/deom/from
[18:57]  * danfish googles "Merry Christmass" in Portuguese
[18:58] <danfish> "Feliz Natal" everyone :D
[18:59] <Azelphur> I like snow
[18:59] <popey> danfish: you in portugal?
[18:59] <Azelphur> I live on a hill, it's funny to watch people fail
[19:00] <Azelphur> At the bottom of the hill there's a park (no fence, just goes straight from the pavement to the grass in the park) it's funny to watch all the cars slide down the hill and fly straight into the park :D
[19:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: That would probably be pronounced something like "felish nestelch" knowling what I do of Portuguese.
[19:01] <danfish> popey: yup - went out for a medical evacuation on Saturday and am still there
[19:01] <popey> you a medic?
[19:02] <danfish> popey: I pretend :P
[19:02] <popey> heh
[19:03] <Laney> hope the patient is ok..
[19:03] <jacobw> askubuntu.com is really good :)
[19:03] <jacobw> i've just signed up, so much better than ubuntuforums.org
[19:04] <popey> heheh
[19:04] <popey> dont let the forums guys hear you say that :)
[19:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - dinner time. Fish Pie and Chips ;-)
[19:05] <popey> (I agree though)
[19:05] <jacobw> the forums are probably better for open ended questions, like "What mail server should I use for a business with 100 employees?"
[19:06] <jacobw> where as askubuntu.com is probably better for technical questions with a specific answer
[19:13] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: you're probably right re the pronunciation. I like the Portugese - my hosts couldn't be more welcoming
[19:13] <danfish> (though the wifi sucks)
[19:15] <jpds> danfish: I once heard a remark that Portugese sounds like Spanish being spoken by a deaf person.
[19:24] <danfish> jpds: It's more like spanish spoken by a Russian
[19:26] <nucc1> i have a frustrating problem: can't subscribe to RSS feeds using firefox. When I click on the button in the addressbar, it runs liferea, but doesn't add the feed. I can't access the feed. anyone got any ideas?
[19:27] <danfish> Laney: the patient will be fine, my marriage if I don't home soon....
[19:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Are Open Source Contributors in Risk of Being Prosecuted for Providing Support of Terrorist Organisations? - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/are-open-source-contributors-risk-being-prosecuted-providing-support-terrorist-organisations
[19:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Blimey, I seem to have inspired someone! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2010/11/29/blimey-i-seem-to-have-inspired-someone/
[19:30] <jacobw> have you been exorcised mgdm?
[19:30] <mgdm> indeed
[19:34] <andyc> hi all
[19:35] <andyc> Anybody have any experience with NFS4?
[19:38] <andyc> You must all be watching Rela Madrid v Barcelona
[19:48] <finelytuned> evening all
[20:12] <nperry> isitsnowingyet?
[20:19] <Laney> yep
[20:19] <diplo> evenin all
[20:20] <popey> no snow here #uksnow
[20:22] <Darael> (if (check-for-snow) (celebrate with-fire) (be-slightly-warmer-but-sad))
[20:23] <diplo> Guys, any one have a HP Probook ?
[20:49] <nperry> Just fixed my acer aspire one
[20:49] <nperry> I thought I killed the screen but a bios flash fixed it
[20:49] <nperry> Wish i googled it months ago
[20:49] <nperry> but now gf isnt happy
[20:50] <nperry> as she was going to buy me a new one for xmas :/
[20:51] <nperry> Now this means once i load ubutu onto it (bios seems to have corrupted the hard drive) I can make this laptop redunant again. that has the N button missing
[21:32] <suprengr> will a certain person remember tomorrow night's meeting I wonder...   ;D
[22:03] <AlanBell> yes
[22:33] <nucc1> trying to upgrade to 10.10 and getting an error about cyclic dependency concerning x11-common and x11-xkb-utils
[22:35] <nucc1> i followed the instructions here: http://georgia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9968622 hope i haven't shot self in the foot :p
[23:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Natty: Off To a Great Start! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/29/natty-off-to-a-great-start/


[23:49] <skierpage> Mamarok, "restart X" on howtoforge gives no hits, its search seems a joke.
[23:49] <Dragnslcr> gamepockets- yeah, you're gonna want to find a theme that's been updated in the last year
[23:49] <Mamarok> skierpage: I thought you wanted to write a Howto?
[23:49] <Mamarok> skierpage: what do you actually want to do?
[23:50]  * Mamarok must have misunderstood then
[23:51] <gamepockets> so there is no fix for the package manager bug?
[23:51] <mikel> Supposedly, I have to "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" to stop X server so that I can install a video card driver from a .run file, but when I stop it, I get taken to a screen that looks like a terminal, but none of the terminal commands do anything, including "help"...
[23:51] <halberd> skierpage, you can restart x by pressing ctrl-alt-del.  warning: will close applications
[23:51] <Mamarok> halberd: that doesn't work in 9.04 anymore...
[23:51] <Dragnslcr> halberd- it's ctrl-alt-backspace, and it's disabled by default in 9.04 (for obvious reasons)
[23:51] <halberd> what are the obvious reasons?
[23:52] <Mamarok> Ctrl+Alt+Del would reboot
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> gamepockets- you can safely ignore the error message about forking. I believe the bug is fixed in KDE 4.2.3 and 4.2.4
[23:52]  * halberd is on a mac keyboard... backspace = delete
[23:52] <Mamarok> halberd: it has been decided so by Xorg and Ubuntu followed
[23:53] <Dragnslcr> halberd- the most obvious reason is people accidentally (or because someone on IRC told them to) press that key combination, and they're unhappy when they lose unsaved data
[23:53] <skierpage> Mamarok, I'm questioning whether yet another web site that doesn't have a Kubuntu section is the right place to answer a simple question about Kubuntu.  If the answer is similar in every Linux distro ("logout, then the login screen has a restart X option"), then maybe howtoforge is the way to go, but ONLY if it has rich enough tools to categorize/customize answers for each distro.  I dunno if that's the case.  I realize it's a hard problem.
[23:53] <Mamarok> also, restarting X with this command is a bad idea, SysRq + k at least saves the applications
[23:53]  * halberd has no sysrq
[23:54] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- I think, though I could easily be wrong, that the menu on the login screen is part of kdm, so any distribution that uses KDE would be the same
[23:54] <Mamarok> skierpage: well, kubuntuforums.net is all about Kubuntu, and the ubuntuforums.org actually have KDE pages...
[23:54] <Mamarok> halberd: well, get a decent keyboard then :)
[23:55] <Mamarok> halberd: scnr
[23:55] <halberd> mac keyboard is decent, it just doesn't have a few keys
[23:55] <halberd> I suppose I could remap one of my keys to sysrq if I really wanted it
[23:55] <halberd> like the lower ctrl key
[23:55] <Mamarok> I think so, theoretically one can remapp all keys
[23:56] <halberd> yes I know, you can use xmodmap
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> Heh, I don't even think my keyboard has a SysRq key
[23:56] <halberd> or /etc/console-setup/boottime.kmap.gz
[23:56] <Mamarok> even my laptop has one
[23:56] <usuario_> hi
[23:56] <halberd> Dragnslcr, it would be the print screen key
[23:56] <nikitis> How can I add firefox to a keyboard shortcut?
[23:56] <halberd> I think
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, that's right
[23:57] <Mamarok> halberd: exactly
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> Mine only says Print Screen
[23:57] <usuario_> im trying to add a cups server printer, i did it fine in win machines but havent been able in kubuntu
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> I also have one of the newer style Logitech keyboards
[23:58] <Mamarok> usuario_: in a browser, type http://localhost:631/
[23:58] <Mamarok> cups works the same way in all OS AFAIR
[23:58] <usuario_> Mamarok, done, what for?
[23:59] <usuario_> i win i type the printer url and loads but not here
[23:59] <usuario_> in firefox
[23:59] <stepanstas> I am currently running on a Kubuntu live cd.  I need to recover files from a corrupt Ubuntu partition.  Can anyone help?
[23:59] <Mamarok> usuario_: follow the instructions cups gives you
[23:59] <nikitis> Is it possible to create your own "Action"  for keyboard shortcuts?


[00:12] <StevenK> wgrant: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/API => no bugs
[00:13] <wgrant> Ah
[00:13] <wgrant> There's a bug RSS feed, but that's it
[00:14] <StevenK> Which doesn't help
[03:28] <StevenK> wgrant: So I just created two bugwatches pointing to libav, bug 16 had a invalid bug number, and bug 17 had a valid one. After running checkwatches, bug 16 is still Unknown/Unknown but bug 17 is Fix Released/Medium
[03:28] <_mup_> Bug #16: "Swedish" and "Swedish (Sweden)" should be the same language <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by daf> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/16 >
[03:28] <_mup_> Bug #17: System error <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by carlos> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/17 >
[03:28] <_mup_> Bug #16: "Swedish" and "Swedish (Sweden)" should be the same language <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by daf> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/16 >
[03:28] <_mup_> Bug #17: System error <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by carlos> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/17 >
[03:28] <StevenK> _mup_: Go away
[03:28] <StevenK> wgrant: So I guess bug 634906 is fixed
[03:28] <_mup_> Bug #634906: An invalid remote bug ID can cause a checkwatches run to break completely <bugwatch> <lp-bugs> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/634906 >
[03:33] <wgrant> StevenK: Excellent.
[03:33] <StevenK> So that's two nailed shut today
[03:33] <StevenK> Three if we deploy
[03:41] <StevenK> wgrant: Turns out urlopen that initializeRemoteBugDB calls uses the default timeout value. Perhaps we should set it to 180 and move on?
[03:42] <StevenK> It might be more sinister
[03:42] <wgrant> StevenK: Perhaps block the connection locally and see if you can reproduce the behaviour?
[03:43] <StevenK> The urlopen call has a ensure_no_transaction decorator
[03:46] <wgrant> Sure, we know it has no transaction open
[03:46] <wgrant> Since it doesn't get idle-killed
[03:46] <StevenK> Right
[03:47] <StevenK> I was wondering if that was what was causing the spining
[03:52] <StevenK> wgrant: Right, I have forbidden my computer to talk to libav's bugzilla
[03:53] <wgrant> -j DROP, I hope?
[03:53] <StevenK>  Well, duh
[03:53] <StevenK> I don't want checkwatches getting port unreachable or wind of it
[03:58] <StevenK> It's still trying
[03:58] <StevenK> 36 dropped packets
[03:58] <wgrant> Hmm hmm
[03:58] <wgrant> Leave it for half an hour and see what happens :)
[03:58] <StevenK> It hasn't logged anything about libav
[03:58] <StevenK> Which is naughty
[03:59] <wgrant> It usually does
[03:59] <wgrant> Oh, unless it's hung on some preprobe
[03:59] <StevenK> Which is likely, it's trying to get the version
[03:59] <StevenK> 2012-11-20 03:59:01 INFO    Updating 1 watches for 1 bugs on http://bugzilla.libav.org
[03:59] <StevenK> It seems it gave up
[04:00] <StevenK> Now it's probably POSTing
[04:03] <StevenK> 2012-11-20 04:01:08 INFO    Error updating http://bugzilla.libav.org/: http://bugzilla.libav.org: <urlopen error [Errno 110] Connection timed out>
[04:03] <StevenK> That's disappointing
[04:19] <StevenK> urlopen uses socket._GLOBAL_DEFAULT_TIMEOUT if it isn't set, which is defined as object()
[04:19] <StevenK> socket.create_connection will only call socket.settimeout if the timout isn't that
[04:23] <StevenK> It could be a proxy thing
[04:24] <StevenK> squid just keeps a open connection
[04:24] <StevenK> But I'm grasping at straws
[04:28] <wgrant> Possibly
[04:30] <StevenK> wgrant: It may explain why neither of us can reproduce it locally
[04:38] <StevenK> And the squid I just installed gives a 504
[04:38] <StevenK> But that's default config
[04:40] <wgrant> IIRC I even tried it from behind squid.internal
[04:40] <wgrant> And it worked
[04:42] <StevenK> Strange
[04:42] <wgrant> Have you checked the last couple of hangs?
[04:42] <StevenK> I have not
[04:43] <StevenK> But I'll stop scratching my head over this and move onto glaring at Redhat XMLRPC
[05:58] <StevenK> wgrant: Ah ha. We send Bugzilla.time as a XMLRPC to redhat's tracker and get back Fault -32000
[06:00] <wgrant> StevenK: So the method to get the remote tracker's current time fails?
[06:01] <StevenK> Yeah
[06:01] <StevenK> <?xml version='1.0'?>\n<methodCall>\n<methodName>Bugzilla.time</methodName>\n<params>\n</params>\n</methodCall>\n'
[06:01] <wgrant> Oh, not even any params? Nice
[06:01] <StevenK> Is what we send
[06:01] <wgrant> I guess we'll need to file a bug with them :)
[06:02] <StevenK> I can't find any docs about Bugzilla.time
[06:02] <wgrant> What's the full traceback we get from them?
[06:02] <wgrant> I assume it works on other bugzillae
[06:02] <wgrant> but theirs is broken
[06:03] <StevenK> wgrant: Yeah, it seems fine with others
[06:03] <StevenK> Let me hack xmlrpclib
[06:04] <StevenK> ({'faultCode': -32000, 'faultString': 'Cannot compare a datetime to a regular scalar at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/DateTime.pm line 1385.\n'},)
[06:05] <StevenK> That's the full stack in xmlrpclib.close
[06:07] <wgrant> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Bugzilla&version=4.2 might be your friend
[06:07] <wgrant> I suspect
[06:07]  * StevenK stabs bugzilla
[06:09] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1371847/
[06:09] <StevenK> The first run is with the ooo proxy commented out, the second with the redhat one
[06:09] <wgrant> yep
[06:10] <StevenK> Bleh
[06:10] <StevenK> Create an account? :-(
[06:10] <wgrant> Yeah
[06:10] <wgrant> If only all bugtrackers supported arbitrary third-party OpenID providers :)
[06:12] <StevenK><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the registered owner, we could just mail them ...
[06:12] <wgrant> Well
[06:12] <wgrant> You know we always ask for bugs to be filed
[06:12] <wgrant> Let's extend the same courtesy to them!
[06:24] <StevenK> wgrant: Bugzilla bug filed, LP bug updated, card created and marked as blocked
[06:24] <wgrant> Did you create a bugwatch so we can check its status? :P
[06:25] <StevenK> I can't!
[06:26] <StevenK> And noted that in the LP bug, so bugger off
[06:26] <wgrant> Hm, why can't you?
[06:28] <StevenK> The watch will never get updated
[06:28] <StevenK> The RedHat bugtracker is disabled
[06:28] <StevenK> So there is little point
[06:28] <wgrant> Ah, right, I was thinking that if they'd fix it then we'd know
[06:28] <wgrant> But not if it's disabled
[06:31] <StevenK> Not turning it back on, either. We can do without an extra 2500 OOPSes a day
[08:50] <adeuring> good morning
[09:56] <stub> Trying to bludgeon buildout into running in offline mode is a real pain in the arse
[09:58] <stub> Something is seriously broken when you get download errors when running in offline mode. WTF were you looking there in the first place stupid?
[09:59] <czajkowski> stub: you're being a bit harsh on yourself today
[10:26] <stub> Umm... don't we stop bugs being duplicates of each other?
[10:27] <stub> oh, nm
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Hmm yesterday I asked about the release date of CoC not correct on Launchpad QAstaging. Now CoC 2.0 is official, but then the date is still not changed....
[13:21] <czajkowski> smartboyhw: date doesnt need to change
[13:21] <czajkowski> it's up to date.
[13:22] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, you can't say that the CoC 2.0 is released in 2005 (or can you?)
[13:22] <czajkowski> I can and I did :) it needs to be done that way for reasons  like making sure anyone who has signed previous versions are still valid.
[13:24] <rick_h> czajkowski: ah ok. Yea missed the date thing when I pushed
[13:24] <czajkowski> rick_h: no tis fine
[13:24] <czajkowski> checked with wgrant and co that it needs to be that way
[13:24] <czajkowski> so tis grand
[13:24] <czajkowski> thanks rick_h
[13:24] <rick_h> does look strange. been many moons since I did CoC stuff (e.g. signed it)
[13:24] <czajkowski> rick_h: like the blog post :)
[13:25] <rick_h> ok, well I'll stop looking at what to fix then.
[13:25] <czajkowski> rick_h: :)
[13:25] <czajkowski> dont fix what's not broken :)
[13:26] <czajkowski> I can find lots of bugs if you want to fix stuff :p
[13:26] <rick_h> heh, I'll just go back to fixing the bug I've been working on
[13:34] <rick_h> adeuring: ping, have time to help me out with something?
[13:34] <adeuring> rick_h: sure
[13:34] <rick_h> hangout ok?
[13:35] <adeuring> rick_h: sure
[14:38] <czajkowski> rick_h: you see errors like this before https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1081131
[14:39] <_mup_> Bug #1081131: Specifications privacy: error when trying to change sharing settings <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081131 >
[14:39] <rick_h> czajkowski: stand up, but will peek in a few
[14:39] <czajkowski> np
[14:57] <rick_h> czajkowski: I've not seen that exactly and the bug wanders a bit so not 100% sure. Most things consider owner.
[14:58] <rick_h> I've not looked at the sharing ui itself which is seems he got access to bug couldn't change. Maybe deryck or abentley can speak more to that specifically
[14:58] <czajkowski> nods
[14:58] <czajkowski> sorry for pinging you just saw you online :) wasnt picking on you :p
[14:59] <rick_h> that's ok, I'm more than happy to play flight directing guy and wave you over away :P
[14:59] <czajkowski> lol
[14:59] <czajkowski> deryck: how is the little one post op ?
[14:59] <czajkowski> all good I hope
[15:00] <abentley> I haven't worked on the sharing UI.  It does sound like it should only be shown as editable to folks with Launchpad.Edit on the appropriate members.
[15:09] <deryck> czajkowski, hi.  she's good, thanks! A little sore this morning as you'd expect but she's getting better with each moment.
[15:09] <czajkowski> great to hear
[15:10] <czajkowski> I had mine out as an adult and was back to eating as normal 3 days later.
[15:10] <czajkowski> but bf had his out there last year, took him 2 weeks to recover
[15:10] <czajkowski> everyone recovers differently
[15:10] <deryck> she's eating pretty good now herself, albeit soft stuff like mac-n-cheese and mashed potatoes.
[15:11] <czajkowski> good going
[15:11] <deryck> she was starving.  but my little would consume the doors of the kitchen if we'd let her.
[15:11] <czajkowski> deryck: while you're here you might be able to shed some light on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1081131
[15:11] <_mup_> Bug #1081131: Specifications privacy: error when trying to change sharing settings <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081131 >
[15:12] <deryck> czajkowski, yes, was just looking at that.  I agree with abentley's assessment above.  we need to ensure we don't show the edit icons to the wrong folks.
[15:12] <deryck> czajkowski, but it does sound like we already block the action, per the bug's description/
[15:13] <deryck> czajkowski, I've traiged it now.
[15:13] <deryck> triaged it even
[15:14] <czajkowski> grand job thanks folks
[15:15] <deryck> new title to make it clearer, too.  bug 1081131
[15:15] <_mup_> Bug #1081131: +sharing should not show edit icons if you don't have launchpad.Edit <private-projects> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081131 >
[15:40] <rick_h> deryck: or abentley either of you have a sec to review since I'm OCR? I'm particularly want to make sure I'm saying that the ProjectGroup part is correct. https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/filter_more_products/+merge/135164
[15:40] <abentley> rick_h: I can have a look.
[15:40] <rick_h> abentley: thanks
[15:48] <abentley> rick_h: You are right about ProjectGroups.
[15:49] <rick_h> abentley: ok cool. The use in top_projects had me thinking I was missing a connection that I would allow leakage through
[15:49] <abentley> rick_h: Where possible, I've been updating APIs to accept a user parameter, rather than using ILaunchBag.user.  Have you looked at that option?
[15:50] <rick_h> abentley: no, I didn't look. I'll chase it up to browser and see if I can add the user
[15:50] <rick_h> cargo culting usage fml heh
[15:50] <abentley> rick_h: If you could, that would be great.
[15:51] <rick_h> abentley: rgr, makes sense now that you say it
[16:13] <abentley> rick_h: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/proprietary-karma/+merge/135188 ?
[16:14] <deryck> sinzui, I'm about to head out to lunch, but would love to catch some voice time with you after that if you have time.
[16:14] <rick_h> abentley: sure thing
[16:14] <abentley> rick_h: Thanks.
[16:31] <rick_h> abentley: r=me, I bow before your storm-fu turning the manual sql into storm
[16:31] <rick_h> though ugh at reading it
[16:31] <abentley> rick_h: was a multi-step process, and I had to check with curtis about the meaning of the original.  Do you think I should try to clean up the storm version more?
[16:33] <rick_h> abentley: I think it's just more I can read sql ok. So no, I think it's ok
[16:33] <rick_h> as is
[16:34] <abentley> rick_h: Okay.  Thanks for the review.
[17:40] <rick_h> abentley: I'm looking at trying to update the usage to include the user in the call but hitting a TAL wall: https://pastebin.canonical.com/78762/
[17:40] <rick_h> any idea or example where the method in the TAL gets a parameter passed in?
[17:40] <rick_h> I'm bzr grep'ing through but not coming up with an example I can see
[17:44] <sinzui> rick_h, We don't want python in tal. It is difficult to test
[17:44] <sinzui> rick_h, add a helper to the view to call the context with the user
[17:44] <rick_h> sinzui: yea, I'm thinking of punting on the suggest for my branch tbh. It's just going to be a giant pita to make user a param to the changes
[17:44] <sinzui> rick_h, or ...
[17:45]  * sinzui looks for cheat code
[17:45] <rick_h> sinzui: because doing that I hook the portlet to the view
[17:46] <rick_h> which I guess is ok since it's the one use but that seems dirty as well
[17:47] <jcsackett> rick_h: is this so you can get user in that method to do the privacy filter?
[17:47] <sinzui> rick_h, we have several cases where the mode must have a user, but the callsite will not pass it. The code will get the current request to find the user. maybe
[17:48] <sinzui> request = get_current_browser_request()
[17:48] <sinzui> user = request.user
[17:48] <jcsackett> you can also get the user from the launchbag, can't you?
[17:48] <sinzui> oh, it is person = IPerson(request.principal)
[17:48] <rick_h> jcsackett: yea, that's what I did but the suggestion was to avoid it
[17:48] <jcsackett> rick_h: ah.
[17:48] <rick_h> so trying to figure out the best way to replace the launchbag with direct calls because hte usage is in a portlet .pt
[17:49] <sinzui> yeah, the launchbag is used too much
[17:49] <rick_h> I think sinzui is right. The best thing is to add a helper on the view, but then it's ugly because the portlet is making the view api change
[18:29] <rick_h> abentley: ok, comment added. Updated one of the 3 change points.
[21:55] <jcsackett> deryck: are you around, and can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/404-project-milestones-privacy/+merge/135252
[21:55] <deryck> jcsackett, yes and yes :)
[21:55] <jcsackett> deryck: awesome. thanks!
[21:55] <deryck> jcsackett, on call now but will look shortly
[22:01] <jcsackett> deryck: works for me.
[22:31] <sinzui> wgrant, StevenK: https://pastebin.canonical.com/78751/
[22:34] <wgrant> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/122750088/qxTB0SY4SJMb6haWptIok9Gyind.txt
[22:41] <sinzui> StevenK, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/665307
[22:41] <_mup_> Bug #665307: cronscripts/expire-bugtasks.py fails trying to put backtrace in librarian <lp-foundations> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/665307 >
[22:45] <StevenK> webops: The NDT r16286 deployment is done, can you move it to Past Deployments?
[22:45] <sinzui> wgrant, StevenK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/687446
[22:45] <_mup_> Bug #687446: process-mail dies on malformed email addresses <email> <lp-foundations> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/687446 >
[22:47] <deryck> jcsackett, r=me
[22:52] <jcsackett> deryck: Awesome, thanks.
[22:52] <deryck> jcsackett, np.  sorry it took me so long.  had back to back calls.
[22:55] <deryck> good night, everyone.
[22:57] <slank> StevenK: I had trouble finding your ping again ... that NDT is moved in productionstatus
[22:58] <StevenK> BAH, wrong window after all, too.
[22:58] <StevenK> slank: Thanks


[10:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:41] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:12] <hyper_ch> hi BluesKaj
[14:12] <BluesKaj> hi hyper_ch
[14:13] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: so, been busy today with nixos :)
[14:14] <BluesKaj> no, i've been fixing my debian install, mostly small annoying stuff that I let slide for a while
[14:15] <BluesKaj> dunno if I have to learn a new package management system for starters
[14:15] <hyper_ch> no, I have been :) just doing virtualbox install now
[14:15] <BluesKaj> have time
[14:16] <BluesKaj> and so far so good ?
[14:17] <hyper_ch> am building now... seems good.... will update my configuration nix when I'm done
[14:17] <hyper_ch> building done, rebooting now just to make sure and then test it :)
[14:19] <BluesKaj> is there a NixOS chat on irc?
[14:19] <hyper_ch> yes
[14:20] <BluesKaj> freenode/
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:20] <hyper_ch> #nixos
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ok thanks
[14:21] <hyper_ch> now it seems something went wrong :)
[14:21] <hyper_ch> kdm didn't start
[14:21] <BluesKaj> I might give it a try, but need to do some partitioning first , i don't care for vm installs, there's always something unfixable
[14:31] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: found the error... I installed vbox as guest and not as host :)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:37] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, have you tried qemu-kvm, it's very quick compared to virtual box
[14:37] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: haven't tried yet
[14:37] <hyper_ch> but I know it's very fast
[14:37] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:37] <hyper_ch> some people say with according video cards you get almost same performance as under native windows
[14:38] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: my current configuration.nix   https://github.com/sjau/nixos/blob/master/configuration.nix
[14:38] <hyper_ch> also interesting is the package list for kde:  https://nixos.org/wiki/KDE#How_to_install_KDE_4
[14:38] <hyper_ch> will still have to go through there :)
[14:39] <hyper_ch> also important: https://nixos.org/wiki/Howto_find_a_package_in_NixOS
[14:40] <hyper_ch> next thing I'll have to figure out how to set my kde default settings :)
[14:44] <lordievader> People game on kvm ;)
[14:46] <hyper_ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37D2bRsthfI
[14:46] <hyper_ch> maybe one day, when I'm old, I'll have a look at kvm
[14:50] <BluesKaj> well, I'm old and i tried it on kubuntu 14.10 with windows as the guest OS. Windows 7 was very fast etc , but it couldn't see other windows machines on my LAN
[14:51] <hyper_ch> no brigded networking?
[14:51] <hyper_ch> s/gd/dg/
[14:51] <lordievader> There is.
[14:51] <lordievader> Networking is simple linux networking. Whatever you want.
[14:52] <hyper_ch> then you should be able to see other machines
[14:52] <hyper_ch> works fine with vbox :)
[14:52] <lordievader> BluesKaj probably used NAT  (default) rather than a bridge connection.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> anyway I dual boot W7 and kubuntu 15.104 on the laptop and that's fine for my needs
[14:53] <hyper_ch> with kvm, can you have the vm in a window or something?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> lordievader, no, I did try a bridged setup, still no luck
[15:12] <lordievader> hyper_ch: You connect through vnc or spice.
[15:13] <hyper_ch> the spice must flow
[16:21] <penguin42> some of the qemu builds also support qtk or SDL2 windows - not sure if the ubuntu builds are configuredlike that
[16:22] <hyper_ch> what's sdl2?
[16:23] <hyper_ch> the nice things about vbox is bi-directional clipboard
[16:23] <lordievader> Spice supports clipboard stuff, I thought.
[16:26] <penguin42> yeh I think spice can do the clipboard stuff
[16:26] <penguin42> hyper_ch: it's just a graphics library
[16:27] <penguin42> yeh the ubuntu qemu can just run a local window without either spice or vnc
[16:33] <hyper_ch> I juse use vbox :)
[19:13] <drhalan> hey i want to use overlayfs in wily. is there anything special i need to enable. mount always tells me "unknown filesystem type overlayfs "
[19:13] <drhalan> overlay or overlayfs also doesn't show up in /proc/filesystems
[19:17] <penguin42> drhalan: try a modprobe overlayfs
[19:17] <penguin42> drhalan: actually, no, modprobe overlay
[19:18] <drhalan> that works thanks?
[19:18] <drhalan> i installed overlayroot. is that package needed?
[19:19]  * penguin42 doesn't know - never used it
[19:21] <drhalan> oh okay
[19:21] <drhalan> do you know what the difference between 'overlay" and “overlayfs" is? both shows up in my /proc/filesystems now
[19:23] <penguin42> no, don't know - I noticed that the kernel module is called overlay.ko although in the overlayfs directory