[14:55] <aneesh> hi
 Hello, how to active both headphones and speakers ?
 Does this help you? (İ did not test)
 https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/2/2.5/2.5.2/pulseaudio_volume_control.html
[18:20] <crabapple> hello
 Hello all! Back again with another question. What would be the best go-to software to repair a boot issue? I went to install a distro on another of my laptops and after install, it is unable to boot, I continually roll back to the BIOS. Any advice or a point toward a recovery iso would be great...
 The live-medium contains all the needed tools.
[18:25] <crabapple> hi, is anyone on here that can help me? i'm trying to find an iso for lubuntu 16.04 for powerpc machines. I have not been able to find the iso; the link on the download page no longer works
 I thought that may be so, but I am newish to Linux altogether, so here I am....
 Lubuntu 16.04 is not only dead, it is a prehistoric version.
 I am not sure, if there are still supported powerpc builds. I think Debian might be the best bet.
[18:36] <tomreyn> unsupported, EOL: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:e9bbefdc033a21a95449d7fe6d1813f7a55f894c&dn=lubuntu-16.04-desktop-powerpc.iso
[18:42] <tomreyn> https://ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index has https://ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com/file?info_hash=4g7%F8%EDH%AA%0A%C9%90%A1%DA%A34r%90%DEP%25%9E
[21:51] <JoeLlama> 'allo ;)
[21:52] <JoeLlama> when I press the power button in lubuntu my machine shuts down.  I made shortcuts so that it suspends and reboots also but...
[21:52] <JoeLlama> How to I make pressing the power button ask what I wanna do?
[21:53] <JoeLlama> TJ- ? (:
[21:53] <JoeLlama> oh and I finally got lubuntu to work on a dell inspiron 1720
[21:54] <JoeLlama> ubuntu (and probably linux in general) hates the NVidia G8500 graphics board :(
[21:54] <JoeLlama> works well enough with intel crestline graphics :)
[21:55] <JoeLlama> unfortunately, I have about 20 inspiron 1720's with the NVidia graphics :(
[21:56] <JoeLlama> seroiusly at least 20 of them and NVidia doesn't have an updated driver that works after 16.04
 do they not even work with nomodeset?
[21:56] <JoeLlama> I will check on that... thanks lynorian...
[21:57] <JoeLlama> btw lynorian what server are you on?
[21:59] <JoeLlama> all i know is with the NVidia card and the default driver things run slow and load slow and the browsers (any of themn) lock the system up or cause long delays.
[21:59] <JoeLlama> and there are terrible memory leaks
[21:59] <JoeLlama> I have bad enough memory leaks when linus is running okay.
[22:00] <JoeLlama> but tolerable... just have to reboot periodically
[22:00] <JoeLlama> firefox is a memory pig... I mod it and that helps.
[22:00] <JoeLlama> so if anyone knows how to make the power button ask what to do please let me know...
[22:00]  * JoeLlama is afk & idle
[22:07] <tomreyn> you usually configure it on the bios so that it doesn't immediately power off. and then, in the OS, you can configure it to behave as you want. that's if ACPI PM works properly
[22:08] <tomreyn> with systemd, you have /etc/systemd/logind.conf and /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/*.conf
[22:09] <tomreyn> and man pages for those: logind.conf(5) logind.conf.d(5)
[22:11] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: ^
[22:21] <JoeLlama> thanks tomreyn I will look into it...  it's not like xubuntu for instance where you can just configure it with a gui huh :/
[22:22] <JoeLlama> that would be a nice feature to add I think...
[22:22] <JoeLlama> power off, suspend, hybernate, reboot, and do nothing would be nice power button options.
[22:23] <JoeLlama> on these boxes there is nothing in the bios to set that... they are from 2007
[22:23] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: i'm not saying you can't configure this on the lubuntu GUI, i just don't know.
[22:23] <JoeLlama> and yeah ACPI I've had issues with things like running the fan for instance but these work okay.
[22:24] <JoeLlama> yeah I can't find it tomreyn in lubuntu or online help.
[22:24] <tomreyn> did you upgrade their bios, yes?
[22:24] <JoeLlama> well I can online but it's all like this big procedure
[22:24] <tomreyn> *yet
[22:24] <JoeLlama> yes
[22:24] <JoeLlama> upgraded to what is called A09
[22:24] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi
[22:25] <JoeLlama> hrm okay I look at that too when I have time thanks :)
[22:26] <JoeLlama> okay tomreyn thanks again... you'd think they had something to set that in lubuntu... easy like...  if anyone else knows lemme know
[22:27]  * JoeLlama is afk & idle
[22:28] <tomreyn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.12/power_management.html
[22:33] <JoeLlama> bak & thanks tomreyn checking that now
[22:34] <tomreyn> i wonder how you did not find that
[22:34] <JoeLlama> hey tomreyn yes I went to power management but mine does not have a power keys option :/
[22:34] <JoeLlama> that's why I was confused
[22:34] <JoeLlama> and that's how I did not find that (: heh
[22:35] <tomreyn> hmm maybe those are from berfore acpi times then ;)
[22:35] <JoeLlama> wonder why I don't have that option tomreyn...  I will figure it out though... thanks for pointing that out!
[22:35] <JoeLlama> oh :/
 what version joellamma
 I think that feature was added after 20.04
[22:35] <tomreyn> i don't think they are, but they are really old
[22:35] <JoeLlama> 20.04 lynorian
[22:35] <JoeLlama> oh after 20.04 hrm...
[22:36] <JoeLlama> I know 20.04 is supported for a long time but 21.04 is not... but it will be replaced with 22.04 or something like that right?  not sure how that works?
[22:36] <JoeLlama> so maybe I need to install 21.04 to get that feature?
[22:37] <JoeLlama> it's not a huge deal... I mean I did drag different options to the panel and I can click on those for now.
[22:37] <JoeLlama> it would just be nice to have that feature in the actual button
[22:38] <JoeLlama> and where do these telegrams come from lynorian?  where are you on the internet so that you telegram that here?  just curious.
[22:38] <JoeLlama> I am new to the channel.
[22:40] <tomreyn> https://lubuntu.me/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/cycle.png shows the lifecycle of releases up to 20.04
[22:40] <JoeLlama> welp there is food calling my name...
[22:40] <JoeLlama> afk & idle
[22:42] <guiverc> we're in final testing of Lubuntu 21.10 now; the upgrade replacement of 21.04 which will be out next month (thus the 21.10)
[22:57] <JoeLlama> hey guiverc thanks!  I will wait for that.
[22:58] <JoeLlama> okay and now I get it year 21 and month 10 neat...  I'm learning this stuff pretty fast.  Windows sucked so bad I couldn't stomach it anymore.  I still support it for some clients but for anything internet related it's linux now.
[22:58] <guiverc> we have a release every six months; 20.04 (2020-April) was followed by 20.10 (2020-October), 21.04, next is 21.10, then 22.04.
[22:58] <guiverc> :)
[22:59] <JoeLlama> okay but I noticed that some version are not supported as long can you tell me why?
[22:59] <guiverc> LTS releases get 3 years for flavors like lubuntu (5 years for main Ubuntu Desktop, Server or cloud).  non-LTS get 9 months, ie. you've 3 months after the next release comes out to release-upgrade to it.
[22:59] <JoeLlama> guiverc
[22:59] <JoeLlama> oh
[23:00] <JoeLlama> gotcha thanks... so it's okay to upgrade because even though it might not be supported that long, a new version will come out before that time expires...
[23:01] <JoeLlama> guiverc would you know much about that old NVidia driver that doesn't work with new released of linux? lemme get you the exact graphics hardware name...
[23:02] <guiverc> the LTS path means release-upgrade every 2-3 years (you can jump from one LTS to the next; 18.04 was an exception due to change of desktop), OR you can release-upgrade thru every release - two supported upgrade paths
[23:02] <guiverc> there are some video cards that are old that won't work with newer kernels, thus older LTS release(s) make sense, eg. 20.04
[23:03] <JoeLlama> yes i think the oldest release that works with these is 16.04
[23:03] <guiverc> I have a box here that I QA-test install to, it cannot handle Ubuntu Desktop/GNOME, Kubuntu/KDE except with 20.04/GA kernel stack (LTS releases come with two kernel stack choices; GA is the elder one)
[23:03] <JoeLlama> geforce 8600
[23:03] <guiverc> we don't support 16.04; it's EOL, the oldest Lubuntu we support is Lubuntu 20.04 LTS
[23:04] <JoeLlama> I have probably more than 20 laptops with the geforce 8600 and linux (I assume all flavors) hates them :(
[23:04] <JoeLlama> terrible delays and lock-up and memory leaks
[23:04] <JoeLlama> well fortunately, I can use 16.04 off-line for which I do have some air-gapped applications.
[23:04] <guiverc> it's not likely the flavors, but the kernel.. Drivers are really kernel modules; thus kernel matters; as I said; LTS releases have two kernel stacks you can use; that's about all Ubuntu systems provide (choice of kernel stack if using a LTS)
[23:05] <JoeLlama> so I assume using 16.04 is okay as long as I am not online right>
[23:05] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[23:05] <JoeLlama> there will be a learning curve...  I will look up "LTS"
[23:05] <guiverc> 16.04 using the GA stack used the 4.4 kernel if I remember correctly; use the HWE stack it used the GA stack from 18.04, or 4.15 kernel.
[23:05] <guiverc> LTS = long term support (release)
[23:06] <JoeLlama> oh! LTS neat okay
[23:06] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack may explain the GA (general) or HWE (hardware enablement; for later drivers/stack) for LTS releases
[23:06] <JoeLlama> well I think the last driver from NVidia worked with 16.04 but not after...
[23:07] <JoeLlama> okay I will look that up too
[23:07] <JoeLlama> so i will install 16.04
[23:07] <guiverc> yeah there were fglrx? or drivers that were supported up to a specific kernel... but not past that.
[23:08] <JoeLlama> if you try to install the latest NVidia driver with current releases of ubuntu it crashes and leave the sywtem in bad shape.
[23:08] <guiverc> nah fglrx was AMD not nvidia; sorry I forget (16.04 or 2016-April) was too long ago
[23:08] <JoeLlama> yeah some people were asking for NVidia drivers that work with versions after 16.04 but no response last time I checked
[23:09] <JoeLlama> yeah
[23:09] <JoeLlama> I specialize in certain old computers... I hate throwing computers away :(
[23:09] <JoeLlama> these inspiron 1720's are workhorses
[23:09] <guiverc> I'm using a 2009 dell desktop; running Lubuntu *impish*; what will be 21.10 on release
[23:09] <JoeLlama> I keep shreading them and building them back up as needed
[23:10] <JoeLlama> that's sweet guiverc :)
[23:10] <JoeLlama> and yes I like lubuntu... tried ubuntu and xubuntu... I like xubuntu better than ubuntu and I like lubuntu better than xubuntu :)
[23:11] <JoeLlama> it's reasonably very fast...
[23:11] <JoeLlama> having a minor issue with VLC... sometimes it doesn't close right... there is an icon that is left on the panel and it won't play anything after that...  I'll figure it out
[23:11] <JoeLlama> VLC is my player of choice and it's nice that it comes with lubuntu
[23:12] <JoeLlama> but yeah lubuntu for the win
[23:12] <JoeLlama> I have many other inspirons too like mini 1012's and mini-10's and mini-9's
[23:13] <JoeLlama> lubuntu seems to work very nice on those.  saved those from the trash can I think.
[23:14] <JoeLlama> ok thanks for the chat guiverc.. gunna go get tacos now.
[23:14] <JoeLlama> bbl