[11:12] <gnomefreak> i wrote programs. i may need to lose everything. can i burn the ones i wrote to cd so i dont have to re-write them again? after burning them to cd will they be installable and work after i bring everything back up?
[11:12] <bob2> gnomefreak: yes, your burnt cd will store whatever you burn on there
[11:13] <ompaul> gnomefreak, as long as it is the "pre installed" version of the programs - so grab your source and packages and run with them to the burner :)
[11:13] <robotgeek> Seveas: doesn't your binary for skype fix all those problems that Syruss is having?
[11:13] <Seveas> yes
[11:13] <oga> how do you guys define: .deb? / deb ?
[11:14] <Syruss> this tarball version is alright, it's just slow and looks crap
[11:14] <Seveas> oga, what do you mean?
[11:14] <bob2> oga: it's a Debian format package
[11:14] <robotgeek> Syruss: get the deb from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:14] <oga> bob2. k. thanks.
[11:14] <ndlovu> hey all - where should I submit bug reports for openoffice? with ubuntu or with OOo?
[11:14] <oga> its a packagefilename. aight.
[11:14] <robotgeek> ndlovu: ubuntu bugzilla
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ok good ty and 1 more question i compiled links2 from source? is there a way to put that on disk so i dont have to re-compile it if i lose everything?
[11:15] <ndlovu> robotgeek: thanks
[11:15] <robotgeek> ndlovu: it's the standard open office right? if so, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:15] <bob2> gnomefreak: it's all just files, dude
[11:15] <bob2> gnomefreak: just backup and restore whatever you want
[11:15] <ndlovu> robotgeek: yup
[11:15] <|Gmp|> do i need to install any dependencies for build-essencial
[11:15] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[11:15] <dragoon> apt installs it all for you
[11:15] <Syruss> cheers guys
[11:15] <Seveas> |Gmp|, yes, build essential is a mere metapackage
[11:15] <bob2> |Gmp|: of course...
[11:15] <ompaul> |Gmp|, as dragoon said
[11:15] <robotgeek> |Gmp|: installing build-essential setup your your system for compiling and stuff
[11:15] <soundray> gnomefreak, if you backup the entire source directory, you can just rerun sudo make install from inside it after restore.
[11:16] <|Gmp|> ok i installed it without any errors
[11:16] <soundray> gnomefreak, why do you have to reinstall?
[11:16] <ompaul> Seveas, not mere - that would indicate that it was hollow and empty and devoid of usefulness, surely if that were the case it would never have been made :-)
[11:16] <MikeMan> does anyone here know about the "osx dock" for linux here?
[11:16] <oga> MikeMan, yeah. check out gnome-look.org
[11:17] <oga> and search for osx
[11:17] <ompaul> I'd say ooch but you have to catch me first :)
[11:17] <|Gmp|> can you install like fluxbox in ubuntu?
[11:17] <dragoon> yes
[11:17] <gnomefreak> im not sure if im putting winblows back on here for my  java class comming up and i tried to putu winblows on hdb and its complaining about partion issues ubuntu is on hda
[11:17] <Seveas> |Gmp|, apt-get install fluxbox
[11:17] <|Gmp|> heh
[11:17] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell |Gmp| about repos
[11:17] <robotgeek> |Gmp|: you need to enable universe firest
[11:17] <ompaul> dragoon, can you type the persons name at the start of a line it is hard to figure out who you are answering
[11:17] <robotgeek> *first*
[11:18] <soundray> gnomefreak, can you just switch your hard disk drives around?
[11:18] <Seveas> gnomefreak, a) It's windows, not winblows b) 'partition issues' is very descriptive...
[11:18] <|Gmp|> robotgeek, i have
[11:18] <dragoon> ompaul: can do
[11:18] <robotgeek> |Gmp|: cool :)
[11:18] <ompaul> dragoon, :)
[11:18] <oga> is there any skins for fluxbox?
[11:18] <dragoon> oga: yea heaps - fluxbox site has some nice ones
[11:19] <soundray> gnomefreak, you'd have to fix /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab, and reinstall grub.
[11:19] <Syruss> suxbox
[11:19] <oga> k thanks.
[11:19] <Seveas> Syruss: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[11:19] <MiSS_n00b> how do i restart x server
[11:19] <Seveas> MiSS_n00b, <ctrl><alt><del>
[11:19] <|Gmp|> robotgeek, i suppose i have because i installed mp3 support and it said that i had to enable universal and i did what it said so i suppose it worked
[11:19] <syklitengutt> and a little help with ff. I tried the new 1.5 but I cant get any plugins to work. I tried it trough the wiki/newfirefox etc. but now with 1.0.7 I have a problem. when trying to play f.ex wmv files or mpg files, it just play a couple of secounds (with totem, and the totem plugin). so how do I set mediaplayer as default video app. its installed, and the plugin is installed.
[11:19] <gnomefreak> well it tells me that they are not win2k partions so using gparted i got rid of them all and made one big partion fat32 still no go
[11:19] <Seveas> MiSS_n00b, <ctrl><alt><bksp> <-- sorry that one
[11:19] <ajmitch> Seveas: backspace, you mean :)
[11:19] <robotgeek> |Gmp|: yes
[11:19] <MikeMan> thx oga
[11:19] <Seveas> ajmitch, yeah, not too awake yet :)
[11:19] <syklitengutt> sorry for ling post.
[11:19] <oga> np
[11:20] <ajmitch> Seveas: have some of my caffiene
[11:20] <MiSS_n00b> what do i type in there to restart it
[11:20] <Syruss> I was just saying, fluxbox isn't my cup of tea...bit too l33t h4x0r. I think gnome is best.
[11:20] <bob2> MiSS_n00b: why do you want to restart it?
[11:20] <MiSS_n00b> it closes it and i dont know what to type to bring it back
[11:20] <soundray> gnomefreak, you probably missed setting the partition type.
[11:20] <Seveas> syklitengutt, sudo rm /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libtotem*
[11:20] <MiSS_n00b> i installed vid drivers
[11:20] <oga> gnome is very nice, but not very responsive on my machines :/
[11:20] <Seveas> ajmitch, thanks :)
[11:20] <ompaul> oga, so xubuntu is what you want
[11:20] <bob2> MiSS_n00b: you're reading incorrect and confusing documentation
[11:20] <ajmitch> Syruss: that's nice, but people do want to use fluxbox, if we all give our opinions it could get heated here :)
[11:20] <oga> what wm xubuntu use?
[11:20] <syklitengutt> that removes it, so does mplayer get standard then?
[11:21] <ompaul> oga, x fce
[11:21] <MiSS_n00b> "Close all your applications, then press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart the X server. If you see an nVidia splashscreen after hitting Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, your drivers are properly installed.
[11:21] <oga> ompaul, k, are there any other things make xubuntu faster?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> soundray,  i think not formatting it made it spit errors but i didnt see a format choice in gparted
[11:21] <MiSS_n00b> "
[11:21] <oga> than just a regular breezy install.
[11:21] <Syruss> that's fair enough
[11:21] <ompaul> oga, the wm is lightweight
[11:21] <bob2> MiSS_n00b: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:21] <olli_> hey people, where would I find the default Firefox directory? I tried find, with no avail...
[11:21] <robotgeek> olli_: ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[11:21] <MiSS_n00b> yeah...
[11:21] <Seveas> olli_, default for what?
[11:22] <Seveas> firefox has a few places of its own..
[11:22] <olli_> Hoary, if that's what you mean
[11:22] <soundray> gnomefreak, I see. Having created a partition for FAT32, you want to run mkdosfs -F32 on it.
[11:22] <ompaul> oga, I find it fast on a 128meg / 9gig hd 500mhz box
[11:22] <olli_> I want the plugins directory
[11:22] <bob2> olli_: what do you mean by "default"?
[11:22] <robotgeek> olli_: that's where all your settings are stored.
[11:22] <bob2> olli_: dpkg -L firefox | grep /usr/lib
[11:22] <robotgeek> olli_: then yes, there in the profiles directory
[11:22] <MikeMan> hey in ubuntu, 5.10 my mouse is really toutchy is there anyway to fix it, thanks
[11:22] <olli_> oh, okay, thanks
[11:22] <ompaul> oga, btw the video card on that is 8megs in size
[11:22] <MiSS_n00b> but what do i type in after pressing ctrl alt bkspc to get back to the gui thingy
[11:22] <robotgeek> olli_: plugins or extensions?
[11:22] <olli_> plugins
[11:23] <olli_> installing jre
[11:23] <oga> ompaul, hehe k. are there any other things make xubuntu faster? except the WM.
[11:23] <robotgeek> olli_: then refer to bob2's statement
[11:23] <Seveas> !tell olli_ about java
[11:23] <gnomefreak> so i wanna run sudo mkdosfs -F32 hdb? and that will format it and set it as fat32 ?
[11:24] <ompaul> oga, like what tuning your hardware and adding ram stripping down binaries beyond some level that is reasonable
[11:24] <soundray> gnomefreak, !!not hdb!!
[11:24] <Syruss> skype :)
[11:24] <Syruss> cheers Seveas
[11:24] <Syruss> I even have nice translucent menus :p
[11:24] <soundray> gnomefreak, mkdosfs -F32 /dev/hdb1 if it's the first partition on hdb
[11:25] <gnomefreak> ok i see
[11:26] <olli_> okay, thanks guys, ~/.mozilla/ was what I needed
[11:26] <gnomefreak> qhats the command to veiw hds?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> view*
[11:27] <bob2> what does viewing a hard drive mean?
[11:27] <|Gmp|> ls
[11:27] <|Gmp|> cd /mnt/hd
[11:27] <soundray> gnomefreak, System-Administration-Disks
[11:27] <|Gmp|> ls
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:28] <Seveas> gnomefreak, apply /dev/screwdriver /dev/case && watch
[11:28] <irvin> dmesg | grep hd
[11:28] <oga> I think a good idea when tuning and stripping down systems, install other WM etc. Is to first of all install a default breezy install. And then later, remove thinks you dont like. (and add things you'd like..) Is this a good method, or do you prefer 'server'.
[11:28] <soundray> Come on guys, gnomefreak's had enough teasing.
[11:28] <wegi> hi guys, I'll become guests from america and I have added a guest account on my (german) ubuntu instalation, how can I switch that specific account to english?
[11:29] <Seveas> wegi, let them choose english when logging in
[11:29] <Seveas> oga, if you want to keep it small, start with a server install and build up
[11:29] <soundray> gnomefreak, sorry I upset you earlier. With 'unintelligible' I meant 'incomprehensible'. I didn't mean to say anything about your intelligence :)
[11:29] <wegi> Seveas: wow parsed all menus but never ever thought of such a simple solution :( thx :)
[11:30] <gnomefreak> soundray, its alright i just didnt expect to see that at 5am
[11:30] <oga> yeah, wegi. I think you can choose what language at the gnome-loginmanager.
[11:30] <gnomefreak> ill brb i gotta see if this worked
[11:32] <[Jonne] > how can I update to a more recent version of MySQL in breezy?
[11:33] <YukiIkyuta> [Jonne] , how recent?
[11:33] <soundray> [Jonne] , apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
[11:33] <mrkoje> [Jonne] , I think MySql 5 is the latest
[11:33] <[Jonne] > i'm running 4.0.24 now, while my host has 4.1.14, this causes problems with charsets
[11:33] <oga> are the fonts in ubuntu "free software"?
[11:34] <[Jonne] > 4.1 will do, thanks
[11:34] <oga> or are those some kind of restricted packages.
[11:34] <soundray> [Jonne] , in that case, probably apt-get isntall mysql-client-4.1
[11:34] <Seveas> oga, not all fonts are completely free
[11:34] <|Gmp|> how do i install flash player
[11:34] <|Gmp|> im downloading it
[11:34] <[Jonne] > client?
[11:35] <[Jonne] > i want to update the server
[11:35] <Seveas> but the ones from main are all free to use & distribute
[11:35] <|Gmp|> what?
[11:35] <Seveas> |Gmp|, apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[11:35] <soundray> [Jonne] , okay, I thought you meant server when you said host.
[11:36] <rockin_stan> morgen zusammen
[11:36] <[Jonne] > it just causes problems when exporting the db from the host, and when i want to import it into my local install to mess with my website locally
[11:36] <soundray> rockin_stan, geh mal zu #ubuntu-de :)
[11:36] <|Gmp|> Seveas,  la
[11:36] <|Gmp|> Reading package lists... Done
[11:36] <|Gmp|> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:36] <|Gmp|> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[11:36] <dragoon> ubotu: tell |Gmp| about paste
[11:37] <Seveas> !tell |Gmp| about multiverse
[11:37] <soundray> dragoon, that wasn't too schwierig, though, was it?
[11:37] <Seveas> (you need multiverse)
[11:37] <Badm4n> any1 here understand about ipmassq rulez ?
[11:37] <[Jonne] > why doesn't ubuntu install the latest version of mysql by default?
[11:38] <[Jonne] > is there other software i should update that way?
[11:38] <soundray> [Jonne] , because mysql 3.x is very solid and reliable.
[11:39] <[Jonne] > but i had 4.0
[11:39] <soundray> [Jonne] , if you installed 4.1 with apt-get, it will have updated everything it depends on as well.
[11:40] <soundray> [Jonne] , erm - yes, it's 4.0 that's considered exceedingly stable.
[11:40] <[Jonne] > i know that, that's why i love it ;). I just wonder what other software is being held back for that reason
[11:40] <|Gmp|> can i insstalll it with the flashplayer-installer scripty thing that you download when clicking on the installing missing plugins in firefox
[11:40] <soundray> [Jonne] , Firefox is an example.
[11:41] <[Jonne] > is that in backports yet?
[11:41] <soundray> [Jonne] , but if you stick with Ubuntu, you don't need to worry about the integrity of the installation.
[11:41] <|Gmp|> where is firefox installled to?
[11:42] <soundray> |Gmp|, check with dpkg -L mozilla-firefox
[11:42] <sobersabre> hi is it safe to upgrade from debian-testing  to breezy badger ?
[11:42] <sobersabre> it is a server, apache2, plone.
[11:43] <sobersabre> plone+zope installed from source... so this shan't be a problem
[11:43] <ajmitch> sobersabre: you might run into a bit of pain, testing will be ahead of breezy in a few packages
[11:43] <Seveas> sobersabre, bothing carful apt pinning can't fix :)
[11:44] <ajmitch> Seveas: yes there is :)
[11:44] <soundray> sobersabre, I guess it depends on how much downtime you can afford.
[11:44] <ajmitch> Seveas: packages are not guaranteed to downgrade properly
[11:44] <Seveas> true
[11:44] <|Gmp|> is firefox install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[11:45] <gnomefreak> it keeps giving me same error and there are no partions and i formatted the one big one in disks is there something im missing ha and people say linux is hard to install :(
[11:45] <irvin> |Gmp|, whereis firefox
[11:45] <|Gmp|> i tried that
[11:45] <sobersabre> soundray if it is a matter of a day, i can, but I need to hear that basically nothing will break from the base system - network connection scripts, iptable rules etc.
[11:45] <|Gmp|> it just found the executablle
[11:45] <MiSS_n00b> if i want to automatically mount my ext3 slave drive, i know i have to put an extra line is fstab but what else do i have to do
[11:45] <sobersabre> i mean I need to make sure, not 'hear' :)
[11:45] <|Gmp|> whereis mozila-firefox works though
[11:45] <soundray> sobersabre, I don't think anyone will give you a guarantee.
[11:46] <soundray> |Gmp| most of the components are in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[11:46] <architx> MiSS_n00b L make a filesystem on it
[11:46] <MiSS_n00b> it has files on it
[11:46] <|Gmp|> ok
[11:46] <architx> what filesystem
[11:46] <|Gmp|> i installed firefox to /home/nick/.mozilla
[11:46] <architx> ?
[11:46] <MiSS_n00b> ext3?
[11:46] <|Gmp|> i meaana flash
[11:46] <|Gmp|> yes
[11:46] <MiSS_n00b> is that the file system
[11:46] <sobersabre> soundray i don't need a 'written contract'
[11:46] <|Gmp|> ext3
[11:46] <architx> than an fstab entry will be ennuf
[11:46] <MiSS_n00b> ok cool ty
[11:46] <ajmitch> sobersabre: there will be no guarantee - you're trying to upgrade from testing, which is a moving target
[11:47] <sobersabre> just a confirmation like: done that, had a prob with this/that...
[11:47] <architx> and a manual mount if you don t want to reboot
[11:47] <ajmitch> sobersabre: testing last week is different from testing this week, so we couldn't say
[11:47] <sobersabre> ajmitch the fact is that currently there are older things in testing than in breezy.
[11:47] <ajmitch> sobersabre: there are *some* older things
[11:47] <ajmitch> not all
[11:48] <ph33r> hey, Im having trouble with the network.. Ubuntu cant seem to find my usb plugin wireless card..
[11:48] <ph33r> or, It finds it, but on "networking" it doesnt say wireless...
[11:48] <sobersabre> i haven't done a thorough search, but... most of the things are at most the same as breezy.
[11:48] <|Gmp|> how caan you make a shortcut?
[11:48] <|Gmp|> like drag aa folder onto the etop
[11:49] <|Gmp|> aand there will be shortcut of it there
[11:49] <Inf3ctedFx> how can I open aTerm from my gnome instead type the commando on my terminal everytime?
[11:49] <sobersabre> ok thanks, guys.
[11:49] <soundray> ph33r, what type of card?
[11:50] <ph33r> soundray, Avaya something..
[11:50] <ph33r> soundray, It finds the card.. but it on "networking" it just says ethernet and modem connection...
[11:50] <mbs> could someone help me with a quick route problem?
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Inf3ctedFx: right click desktop or panel, make a launcher
[11:51] <mbs> i have it set up properly on one machine, and I want to emulate that config on another
[11:51] <soundray> ph33r, how do you determine that it "finds" the card?
[11:51] <mbs> i can post the route result from the good setup
[11:51] <Inf3ctedFx> ok thomhash i got that but anothe think.. how can I keep my settings like transparency colors borders etc etc etc
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Inf3ctedFx: make the command in the launcher - like aterm -tr +sb   and so on
[11:52] <Inf3ctedFx> ohh oks
[11:52] <Inf3ctedFx> thx
[11:52] <ph33r> soundray, when I go to device manager - usb hub interface it finds, Avaya Wireless USB Adabter...
[11:52] <|Gmp|> how caan you make a shortcut?
[11:52] <|Gmp|> aand there will be shortcut of it there
[11:53] <|Gmp|> woops
[11:53] <soundray> ph33r, okay, so the USB side works. Does it load a driver module?
[11:53] <ph33r> soundray, the problem is that I can
[11:53] <ph33r> soundray, no ..
[11:54] <soundray> ph33r, it's not supported then. I have a USB adapter like that.
[11:54] <soundray> ph33r, I managed to get it to work by downloading the 2.6.15 experimental kernel.
[11:54] <ph33r> Ahh...
[11:54] <soundray> ph33r, but that broke my ATI setup.
[11:54] <ph33r> soundray, ;P argh.. the trouble! :P
[11:54] <soundray> ph33r, so I'm back to CAT5 cable...
[11:55] <ph33r> soundray, If you go into "system - administration . networking" :P
[11:55] <soundray> ph33r, yeah, curse the manufacturers.
[11:55] <ph33r> soundray, you`ll get three options? - Ethernet, Modem and Wireless?
[11:56] <soundray> ph33r, well, I didn't check that. But the interface showed with ifconfig, which I guess means the same thing.
[11:56] <ph33r> soundray, so why don
[11:57] <ph33r> soundray, dont i get the freaking wireless option!? :P
[11:57] <soundray> ph33r, because your adapter isn't supported.
[11:57] <dj_smilee|work> :o
[11:57] <dj_smilee|work> theres more people in here than in linux
[11:57] <soundray> ph33r, is this a laptop?
[11:57] <ph33r> soundray, nope.. but you know what.. I know what the problem is.. I got an HP! :P
[11:58] <dj_smilee|work> :S
[11:58] <nelposto> hey people.. i have a problem with compiling a new kernel ... every time I compile a kernel, trying to boot it from grub just results in a blank screen :(
[11:58] <Deedubb> does the ubuntu installation create a log file anywhere?
[11:59] <soundray> ph33r, the problem is that manufacturers don't open their specifications and don't provide Linux drivers for their hardware.
[11:59] <ph33r> soundray, I know I know.. but let me dream!  :P
[12:00] <soundray> Deedubb, I don't think so, but there's probably a way to find out what you want to know about your installation.
[12:00] <corresponder> moin
[12:00] <corresponder> i have a problem with dpkg in ubuntu
[12:00] <soundray> corresponder, ich glaube du suchst #ubuntu-de
[12:00] <corresponder> no
[12:00] <corresponder> ;-)
[12:00] <soundray> corresponder, ah okay :)
[12:00] <corresponder> lol
[12:01] <thoreauputic> Deedubb: /var/log/debian-installer
[12:01] <corresponder> thanks
[12:01] <thoreauputic> Deedubb: at least that looks like the one :)
[12:01] <rob1> what can I use to generate the md5 of a string?
[12:01] <corresponder> dpkg gives an error: ... process qeue: Assertion dependtry
[12:01] <corresponder> etc.
[12:01] <corresponder> <=4
[12:02] <corresponder> what tells this?
[12:02] <Deedubb> thoreauputic: perfect, thanks, the /var/log/installer/messages what I was after
[12:02] <soundray> corresponder, could you post the full error on pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[12:02] <vbgunz> I've got a wierd problem with Totem DVD playback... Just recently, movies started to state that they cannot play back because audio device is used or busy *but* if I just hit play, it plays with sound... Whats with this new error as it just started happening recently?
[12:03] <corresponder> k
[12:03] <irvin> cool
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Deedubb: I just did a "locate installer | grep log "  ;-)
[12:03] <soundray> thoreauputic, that's very useful.
[12:03] <irvin> i didn't know irssi was installed by default
[12:04] <Deedubb> thoreauputic: you're a genius
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Deedubb: hardly ;-)
[12:05] <Deedubb> thoreauputic: the fact that you said that as reply proves it; you're self aware ;)
[12:05] <ndlovu> I'm trying to submit a bug report in bugzilla, with an example file, but it keeps telling me "You did not specify a file to attach". Am I missing something?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Deedubb: well, I just thought the method might prove useful to someone
[12:06] <Deedubb> thoreauputic: I'm just playing - next time just take the compliment - they don't come around often
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Deedubb: OK I accept gracefully ;-)
[12:07] <blackhat> Hey, when I put the Ubuntu disc in and I try to install it I don't get any options to resize my partitions, only erase the whole drive =/, I have a dell inspiron 6000
[12:07] <argos> hi, i have a problem, could anybody please advice? I bought new soundcard (emu 4040 for making music) i know there are no linux drivers, but now my old soundcard stopped working aswell . How could i make ubuntu ignore the new card and still use the old card?
[12:07] <corresponder> http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/844
[12:09] <soundray> corresponder, does 'sudo apt-get -f install' work?
[12:09] <interoz> hello
[12:09] <skar> hi, how do i upgrade to firefox 1.5 on breezy?
[12:09] <corresponder> no
[12:09] <corresponder> same
[12:09] <corresponder> tells me do do the dpkg --configure -a
[12:09] <skar> also how to install flash and java plugins on plain vanilla breezy just installed?
[12:09] <freelove> how do i set up my adsl internet in ubuntu? any gui app?
[12:10] <corresponder> flash and java will work allways if you install them from the hand
[12:10] <soundray> corresponder, this is unusual. Have you googled for this error message?
[12:10] <corresponder> no
[12:10] <thoreauputic> skar: this is one way - http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/45917/index.html
[12:10] <argos> any ideas on the soundcard issue?
[12:10] <corresponder> i will look
[12:10] <thoreauputic> skar: for ff 1.5 I mean
[12:10] <freelove> how do i set up my adsl internet in ubuntu? any gui app?
[12:11] <irvin> hello
[12:11] <blackhat> i want to install ubuntu but i cant resize partitions during setup like i can on my other computer
[12:11] <blackhat> anyone know why
[12:11] <irvin> is there a console app for instant messengers?
[12:11] <freelove> doing sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list does not open up the text editor.what to do?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> !tell skar about restricted
[12:11] <chorse> freelove, invoke pppoeconf from console
[12:11] <soundray> corresponder, what were you installing when it happened?
[12:12] <LoPMX> do i have to compile new xfce to have it on ubuntu?
[12:12] <corresponder> its not important, it is happening always if i use apt-get
[12:12] <oggah> How to check free disk space in terminal.
[12:12] <corresponder> apt-get check won?t help
[12:12] <corresponder> apt-get -f install too
[12:12] <thoreauputic> oggah: df -h
[12:12] <corresponder> so...
[12:12] <oggah> thanks. how do view all partitions in terminal?
[12:12] <soundray> corresponder, what were you installing when it *first* happened?
[12:13] <thoreauputic> oggah: sudo fdisk -l
[12:13] <skar> thoreauputic: ok will try this link, thanks for the info
[12:13] <bedee> just want to say that i love ubuntu - thanks and good bye
[12:13] <corresponder> fluxbox
[12:13] <thoreauputic> skar: no problem :)
[12:13] <irvin> is there a console-based gaim?
[12:13] <corresponder> with the fluxbox install startet the problem
[12:13] <corresponder> *g* - history will not forget it
[12:14] <soundray> corresponder, try dpkg --purge fluxbox , then dpkg --configure -a
[12:14] <corresponder> k
[12:14] <corresponder> thanks
[12:14] <interoz> i am a debian user and don't know much of ubuntu. i installed ubuntu at a friend of mine, who's a linux newbie. the problem is that after a plain install gnome didn't start (could not understand why). so i installed xfce, and it went fine. on the other side now he can't play any mp3 or video file. any clue?
[12:15] <oggah> ok, when doing a standard isntall. ubuntu will create one partition for the system, and one, for swap? right?
[12:15] <oggah> what is tmpfs
[12:15] <soundray> !tell interoz about restricted formats
[12:15] <thoreauputic> oggah: by default, yes
[12:15] <soundray> interoz, pls read ubotu's message.
[12:15] <tazzz> Hi all, my computer is almost frozen. I can see from "top" that there is 90% "wa" in CPU.  What does that mean, waste ? and how can I know which program is causing it ?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> oggah: those other entries like tmpfs are kind of virtual entries
[12:16] <interoz> soundray: thanks! reading, bbl
[12:16] <corresponder> soundray: same error
[12:16] <ndlovu> okay, figured it out (attach file in bugzilla) - I changed my password, but the login cookie was not updated. Had to delete the cookie before attach file worked.
[12:16] <oggah> thoreauputic: okay. hrm. I cant list the swap-partition in terminal..
[12:16] <oggah> how do I?
[12:16] <corresponder> df -h
[12:17] <irvin> oggah: df -h
[12:17] <corresponder> or better
[12:17] <corresponder> free
[12:17] <oggah> ah thanks!
[12:17] <tazzz> I had this happen several times...and then It was frozen so much I couldnt even log in another consol cze between the username/passwd it would give a timeout ...
[12:17] <thoreauputic> oggah: it shows up on  sudo fdisk -l ( or it should)
[12:17] <corresponder> or cat /etc/fstab |grep swap
[12:17] <hlen> oggah, swapon -s
[12:17] <tazzz> Hi all, my computer is almost frozen. I can see from "top" that there is 90% "wa" in CPU.  What does that mean, waste ? and how can I know which program is causing it ?
[12:17] <soundray> corresponder, do a 'dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii', this should show you which packages are broken.
[12:18] <corresponder> k
[12:18] <oggah> the tmpfs listed when doing 'df -h' is something else than the Swap listed in "free".
[12:18] <oggah> ?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> oggah: yes, don't worry about it :)
[12:19] <skar> thoreauputic: what is the universe/multiverse repo containing flash/java/real etc?
[12:19] <oggah> seems like I got two tmpfs.. both a size of 253Mbyte.
[12:19] <oggah> No =) Just want to learn.
[12:19] <irvin> skar: i think its on restricted
[12:19] <thoreauputic> skar: java isn't in the repos unless you want blackdown java
[12:20] <thoreauputic> real also is proprietary
[12:20] <blackhat> anyone here have a laptop
[12:20] <thoreauputic> there's a flash non-free in multiverse I think
[12:20] <Deedubb> tazzz:I think thats IO wait
[12:20] <vladuz976> anybody know a nice monospace font?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> blackdown is out of date tho its 1.4 you can get java 1.5 from java debs and all you do is dpkg  -i it and your good to go
[12:20] <thoreauputic> gnomefreak: correct
[12:21] <thoreauputic> !javadebs
[12:21] <ubotu> I guess javadebs is Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[12:21] <thoreauputic> !realplay
[12:21] <ubotu> thoreauputic: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[12:21] <thoreauputic> bah
[12:21] <corresponder> soundray: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/845
[12:21] <thoreauputic> !realplayer
[12:21] <ubotu> methinks realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:21] <interoz> having installed a i386 ubuntu on amd64 hardware, is it possible to use an amd64 kernel instead of a 386 one? i am asking because apt-cache don't seem to find it
[12:22] <Glossary> my ubuntu cds just arrived :D
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Glossary: nice :)
[12:23] <soundray> corresponder, I'm afraid your system is fubar. I don't know what to do. thoreauputic?
[12:23] <Badm4n> any1 here understand about ipmassq rulez ? msg me please or type my name @ channel so i recognize who can help me
[12:24] <corresponder> hmmm
[12:24] <corresponder> thank you
[12:24] <thoreauputic> soundray: oh, sorry I haven't followed the problem...
[12:24] <soundray> thoreauputic, the two most recent posts on http://paste.ubuntuusers.de sum up the problem.
[12:25] <skar> thoreauputic: which deb should i install to have gcc working with stdio.h?
[12:25] <irvin> interoz: sudo apt-cache search linux-image
[12:25] <freelove_> how to change my sudo password?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> skar: have you installed build-essential ?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> passwd
[12:26] <interoz> irvin: yes, it has only x86 and k7 kernels there. maybe i have to enable some extra repository though
[12:27] <freelove_> thx
[12:27] <skar> thoreauputic: yup, and i get "error: stdio.h: No such file or directory"
[12:27] <gnomefreak> skar,  build-essencial
[12:27] <freelove_> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list is throwing errors.its not opening.how do i edit my sources.list???
[12:28] <ubuntu_> @caribbean
[12:28] <thoreauputic> corresponder: if dpkg --configure -a errored out, I don't know what you can do - that reconfigures *everything* so if it's broken you may be out of luck
[12:28] <corresponder> k
[12:28] <corresponder> thanks
[12:28] <parker> g'day
[12:29] <freelove_> installed leafpad......sudo leafpad /ect/apt/sources.list works.........wonders whats wrong with this f*** gedit!! although it does open as normal user...
[12:29] <dooglus> skar: #include <stdio.h> not "stdio.h"
[12:29] <gnomefreak> your getting that error cause the stdio.h is a header file for C programming and the editoer you are using maynot have it in there but should anjuta does but either way i would sudo apt-get install build-essencial
[12:29] <ubuntu_> .
[12:29] <xiaogil> hi
[12:30] <gnomefreak> dooglus,  good catch i didnt see the "\
[12:30] <gnomefreak> -/
[12:30] <thoreauputic> gnomefreak: build-essential ( no c )
[12:30] <skar> dooglus: ok got it now, programming error :))
[12:30] <gnomefreak> yeah yeah yeah its early :(
[12:30] <dooglus> gnomefreak: he didn't tell use he used a ", but I guess he did
[12:30] <xiaogil> what are te wget argument (or even another command if exists) to get recursively the .tif image of an htt address ?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> gnomefreak: heh - late here ;)
[12:30] <zool2005> good morning
[12:30] <freelove_> i wanna move certain files as root.....how to do it in nautilus???
[12:30] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:31] <gnomefreak> its 6:30 here am
[12:31] <dooglus> freelove_: at a guess, "sudo nautilus"
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Fri Dec  9 22:31:21 EST 2005
[12:31] <frogzoo> freelove you don't - bad plan
[12:31] <thoreauputic> ;)
[12:31] <skar> thoreauputic: nope, now it works for both <stdio.h> and "stdio.h", just installing build-essential does it :)
[12:31] <thoreauputic> skar: ah there you go then :)
[12:31] <dj_smilee|work> guys, how would i copy my entire root file system from a hard disk to an NFS export
[12:31] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: rsync :)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> dj_smilee|work: with much patience :)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> i never tried " for calling a header file and prolly wont either
[12:32] <zool2005> can anyone help me with apt-get question please?
[12:32] <Ng> something like rsync -avPx --stats / /path/to/nfs/mount
[12:32] <dooglus> dj_smilee|work: I'd suggest copying it over as a tarfile, and untarring on the remote machine.  that limits any trouble caused by NFS flakiness
[12:32] <freelove_> dooglus, ive given the command.but it hasn't opened yet.how i miss kdesu konqueror!
[12:32] <dj_smilee|work> rsync and patientce :S
[12:32] <gnomefreak> zool2005,  ask it and they shall help ;)
[12:32] <dj_smilee|work> i need the ENTIRE filesystem
[12:33] <dj_smilee|work> exactly as it is
[12:33] <frogzoo> dj_smilee|work: tar -cpf / | (cd NFS ; tar xf) - something like this should work
[12:33] <dj_smilee|work> because im trying to run an NFS root
[12:33] <Ng> the rsync command I just gave will preserve all ownership and permissions and so on
[12:33] <Glossary> thoreauputic, i received 5 today and i ordered 30 more would you think they will arrive too? for my friends and stuff
[12:33] <dj_smilee|work> like cpio?
[12:33] <zool2005> I have been looking thought the starter guide and following it to the letter but apt-get cannot find packages such as java, flashplayer etc even though I've edited the server list
[12:33] <jakob> how do I batch convert OoO 1.1.x files til the new OoO .odt format?
[12:33] <dooglus> frogzoo: that would create a whole bunch of files over NFS.  have you ever had that work properly?
[12:34] <dj_smilee|work> i'll have a look Ng
[12:34] <dj_smilee|work> will it copy they proc stuff?
[12:34] <Ng> o
[12:34] <Ng> no
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Glossary: no idea - I ordered mine in October and got them last week - but I assume first orders get priority
[12:34] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: the -x means it will not copy anything on another mount
[12:34] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: purely what's on the / partition
[12:35] <dj_smilee|work> ok
[12:35] <Ng> so you can have the nfs export mounted in /mnt somewhere and it won't go mad and try to copy itself to itself or anything ;)
[12:35] <dj_smilee|work> lol exactly
[12:35] <freelove_> dooglus, it has opened just now.after such a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time!!!
[12:35] <dj_smilee|work> might as well get to work on my initrd
[12:36] <dooglus> freelove_: do you have a lot of bookmarks in nautilus?
[12:36] <frogzoo> dooglus: your point is that tar needs the -l flag as well, to stay within the / fs ?
[12:36] <oggah> keycommand for screendump in GNOME?
[12:36] <Ng> oggah: poke your PrintScreen keyboard key :)
[12:36] <oggah> oh. lol.
[12:36] <Seveas> oggah, [prt scr]
[12:36] <oggah> =)
[12:36] <dooglus> frogzoo: no, my point is that I wouldn't trust NFS to create a whole bunch of files at once.  I've had bad experiences with it.
[12:36] <oggah> thx.
[12:36] <diego> uf
[12:36] <diego> nunca me acuerdo
[12:36] <thoreauputic> oggah: PrintScrn ?
[12:36] <diego> como es el canal en espaol
[12:37] <Seveas> !es
[12:37] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:37] <Ng> oggah: or alt-prntscrn if you just want the current window
[12:37] <dooglus> frogzoo: I'd dump the tarfile over NFS and then run tar xf on the remote machine to untar it
[12:37] <thoron> Hi! How long security support Ubuntu has after release?
[12:37] <samu2> are you just supposed to edit your boot menu manually whenever you autoupgrade the kernel?
[12:37] <oggah> err, [print screen]  doesnt seem to work. where is the .png saved?
[12:37] <frogzoo> dooglus: that sounds horrible - I used to do this all the time - NFS should be VERY stable
[12:37] <thoreauputic> thoron: 18 months I think currently
[12:37] <dooglus> frogzoo: but an 'l' flag when creating the tarfile is needed too.  (and the last - must be inside the subshell if you're going to do it like that too by the way)
[12:38] <thoron> thoreauputic: yep, just found it too. thanks. =)
[12:38] <frogzoo> dooglus: yup
[12:38] <zool2005> can anyone help with apt-get sources please?
[12:38] <dooglus> frogzoo: maybe it is now.  i've not used it for 10 years or so.  Sun's implementation used to be horrible.
[12:38] <thoron> Is Ubuntu as easy as Debian to upgrade to next release?
[12:38] <thoreauputic> !sources
[12:38] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:38] <dooglus> zool2005: drop the last s
[12:38] <corresponder> thoreauputic: my problem is solved: therewas a wrong configured package
[12:38] <corresponder> thanks a lot
[12:38] <dooglus> zool2005: it's "apt-get source"
[12:39] <oggah> err, [print screen]  doesnt seem to work. where is the .png saved?
[12:39] <samu2> because now i have the same "problem" i had when i ran redhat a long time ago, where my boot menu is filling up with old kernels
[12:39] <dooglus> oggah: in Documents
[12:39] <corresponder> with dpkg --purge "packagename"
[12:39] <thoreauputic> zool2005: for stuff like java and multimedia read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:39] <zool2005> thank you
[12:40] <frogzoo> dooglus: NFS these days is really nice - on Sun's cluster - you take down an NFS server, failover, and all your exports keep working - even with open files - it's pretty awesome
[12:40] <thoreauputic> corresponder: glad to hear you sorted it out
[12:40] <corresponder> ;-)
[12:40] <oggah> dooglus: in documents. where is it located?
[12:40] <oggah> sbin? dev?
[12:41] <dooglus> oggah: for me it's /home/chris/Documents
[12:41] <dooglus> oggah: but you can tell it to save wherever you like
[12:41] <Ng> frogzoo: you can hack up nfs failover with linux nfs, just bring up an identical export on the same IP and if it's hard mounted the clients just remount and continue ;)
[12:41] <thoreauputic> oggah: prntscrn should pop up a dialogue
[12:42] <dooglus> oggah: when you hit [prtscn]  don't you see "filename" and "save to folder" or some such?
[12:42] <frogzoo> Ng: just my point really - that's because of the NFS protocol itself - not the specific implementation
[12:42] <Ng> yeah
[12:42] <Ng> although if you don't have a spare identical server, hard mounts are a serious pita ;)
[12:42] <BooZee> hello
[12:43] <oggah> dooglus: yep. now I do. the strange thing is, try it yourself. put the pointer at the menu, and click Applications for example. then try [prnt scrn] .
[12:43] <tristan> Hello, I have just a small question : I don't have the adress bar when browsing through my folder. How can I enable it?
[12:43] <Nikusan> tristan, ctrl+l
[12:43] <thoreauputic> tristan: hit ctrl-L
[12:43] <BooZee> I've got problems with seeing text in flash movies. e.g.: when right clicking a movie and clicking on settings - I only see the little pics and no text at all!
[12:43] <oggah> doesnt pop up any save screendump dialouge?
[12:43] <tristan> thanks
[12:44] <oggah> doesnt for me.
[12:44] <dooglus> oggah: prnt scrn doesn't work while the gnome menus are showing!  I never noticed that before
[12:44] <thoreauputic> tristan: or check edit preferences and change it there
[12:44] <Nikusan> BooZee, maybe you need msttcorefonts
[12:44] <samu2> so are you supposed to manually edit your boot menu for kernel upgrades?
[12:44] <BooZee> Nikusan: already installed
[12:44] <oggah> kinda strange, have I found a bug? :)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> samu2: if they are installed with the package manager, no need
[12:45] <Ng> oggah: not necessarily, open menus make for strange input modifications
[12:45] <samu2> thoreauputic, but the boot menu is filling up with old kernels that i never load
[12:45] <Ng> oggah: you could use gimp though, it will grab a screenshot and you can specify a delay, so you have time to minimise it and open whatever menus you want
[12:45] <tristan> thoreauputic : cannot find it in edit preferences. And, when I open a new folder I have to hit ctrl+L gain....
[12:45] <thoreauputic> samu2: you can uninstall the old kernels
[12:45] <oggah> Ng: Okay, great!
[12:46] <BooZee> anybody? help on flash ?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> tristan: hang on I'll have a look here
[12:46] <samu2> thoreauputic, what are the package names of the old kernels then?
[12:46] <tristan> thoreauputic : thanks
[12:46] <thoreauputic> samu2: linux-image  something - look in synaptic
[12:46] <joshi> hello. what is command for deleting directory?
[12:47] <thoron> Is good idea to use Ubuntu as OS for Bugzilla and version control server?
[12:47] <dragoon> rm -r
[12:47] <frogzoo> joshi: rm DIRNAME
[12:47] <tristan> joshi : rm -r DIRNAME
[12:47] <frogzoo> joshi: rm -r if the directory's not empty
[12:47] <samu2> thoreauputic, ok ill have a look. thanks
[12:47] <rag> joshi: rm -rf <dirname> # f for force if the directory is not empty
[12:48] <samu2> arent there different flags for different rm commands?
[12:48] <frogzoo> samu2: man rm
[12:49] <xiaogil> Is there a command that takes an image A and a group of images, and tells which image of the group is the closest to image A ?
[12:49] <|Gmp|> hey
[12:49] <[Jonne] > is anyone running xfce here?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> tristan: apps -system tools -config editor - apps -nautilus - preferences - always use location entry
[12:49] <[Jonne] > I accidentally hid my panel, and i can't get it back
[12:49] <frogzoo> xiaogil: not in stock breezy - but there's AI tools probably - suggest google
[12:49] <dooglus> oggah: a nice simple solution is to use "import" from the imagemagick package, like this:    sleep 4; import -window root foo.png
[12:50] <thoreauputic> tristan: sorry I thought it was an option in nautilus itself
[12:50] <thoreauputic> tristan: found it ?
[12:51] <oggah> dooglus: okay!
[12:51] <skar> thoreauputic: any repo containing downloader prozilla?
[12:51] <oggah> used gimp's screendumpfunction. works fine.
[12:51] <frogzoo> xiaogil: really, probably just something that will calculate the spacial correlation would suite most situations - & there's libraries that do spacial correlations
[12:51] <dooglus> oggah: you know how to make an alias in bash?  I've aliased that to "snap"
[12:51] <oggah> nopes?
[12:51] <dj_smilee|work> Ng: what is rsync's main purpose. backup?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> skar: not that I know of - but try  apt-cache search downloader
[12:52] <dooglus> gedit ~/.bashrc and add a line at the end that says:    alias snap='sleep 4; import -window root'
[12:52] <frogzoo> dj_smilee|work: main purpose is syncing directories ;)
[12:52] <dooglus> then you can type "snap foo.png" to dump the screen into foo.png
[12:52] <dj_smilee|work> over a network?
[12:52] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: syncing files from one place to another, often for backup, but equally for mirroring, or if you want to complete a partial transfer or something - it's quite good at handling large files that have only changed a bit
[12:52] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: yeah, locally or over a network, or over ssh
[12:52] <frogzoo> dj_smilee|work: think mirror sites
[12:52] <thoreauputic> skar: you might like d4x (downloader for X)
[12:52] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: it's a sweet tool :)
[12:53] <dj_smilee|work> sounds like the tool i need, gonna need a lot of flags to preserve the system though
[12:53] <dominic> hi all
[12:53] <dj_smilee|work> time, ownership, symlinks, dir structure
[12:53] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: -a preserves pretty much everything
[12:53] <dj_smilee|work> archive mode?
[12:53] <skar> thoreauputic: i need a console program, no X, like a replacement for wget
[12:53] <Ng> look it up in the man page, it implies a bunch of other preservation options
[12:53] <Ng> yeah
[12:53] <samu2> thoreauputic, so if i have "linux-image-2.6.12-10-386" and "linux-image-2.6.12-9-386" installed, i should be able to remove the latter?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> skar: well there's curl...
[12:54] <dj_smilee|work> what is a hardlink?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> skar: what's wrong with wget ?
[12:54] <frogzoo> thoreauputic: snap
[12:54] <thoreauputic> samu2: I don't see why not, yes
[12:54] <soundray> dj_smilee|work, two filenames pointing to the same data on the disk.
[12:54] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: where you have two "files" that point at the same inode (the fs structure that contains a file)
[12:54] <dooglus> dj_smilee|work: it's a link that isn't soft...  (ie. not "ln -s" but just "ln"
[12:54] <skar> thoreauputic: wget uses single http connection, proz uses 4 by default and can be increased or decreased by config
[12:54] <dj_smilee|work> ah ok
[12:54] <samu2> thoreauputic, ok here goes, thanks again
[12:54] <dj_smilee|work> dont think i've got any of those :S
[12:54] <dooglus> dj_smilee|work: every regular file is a hard-link
[12:54] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: they're very useful, but can be quite confusing and dangerous if you don't know they're there
[12:55] <skar> thoreauputic: so proz proves faster than wget in most conditions
[12:55] <Ng> dj_smilee|work: you almost certainly won't have any
[12:55] <thoreauputic> skar: I frown on leeching servers with multiple connections
[12:55] <dj_smilee|work> good'o
[12:55] <Mozo> Hi, I'm trying to install Kguitar, but I get this error:  checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:55] <dooglus> dj_smilee|work: type "ls -l" in a directory.  see the column of '1's just after the "-rw-r--r--" column?  that's the number of links to each file
[12:55] <thoreauputic> skar: besides which I don't believe those things help much anyway
[12:55] <Mozo> ok ok, I have libx11-dev installed :P
[12:56] <dj_smilee|work> ah right, so the file system knows if there are multiple hardlinks
[12:56] <dooglus> Ng: every file on his disk is a hard link.
[12:56] <frogzoo> skar: is that proz http 1.1 ?
[12:56] <zool2005> I've installed the 64 bit edition of Ubuntu but now I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea as many apps are not yet available for 64 bit with apt-get
[12:56] <dj_smilee|work> zool2005, chop your cpu in half
[12:57] <zool2005> do you think it would be better to download the 32 bit ed?
[12:57] <blackhat> anyone here have a laptop
[12:57] <dj_smilee|work> dual 32 bit cpu's :>
[12:57] <blackhat> i want to install ubuntu but i cant resize partitions during setup like i can on my other computer
[12:57] <soundray> zool2005, same problem here. Three solutions: reinstall with -i386, setup a 32bit chroot, or run 32bit in qemu.
[12:57] <frogzoo> zool2005: yup probly
[12:57] <skar> frogzoo:dunno about its http protocol implementation, but i used to use it in gentoo to download the sources and it was blazing fast, with resume feature also
[12:57] <thoreauputic> !anyone
[12:57] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[12:57] <zool2005> nuts!
[12:57] <nabucodor> c' qualcuno che parla italiano?
[12:57] <nabucodor> :(
[12:57] <Myrtti> !it
[12:57] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:57] <thoreauputic> !it
[12:58] <thoreauputic> heh
[12:58] <blackhat> anyone here have a laptop
[12:58] <frogzoo> skar: a better wget sounds just the ticket
[12:58] <dragoon> blackhat: yea
[12:58] <blackhat> which
[12:58] <frogzoo> blackhat: lappie here
[12:58] <[Jonne] > anyone here running Ubuntu ? <grin>
[12:58] <ph33r> blackhat, jepp
[12:58] <nabucodor> ma non mi risponde nessuno
[12:58] <blackhat> i want to install ubuntu but i cant resize partitions during setup like i can on my other computer
[12:58] <dragoon> atm a Clevo D900
[12:58] <ph33r> blackhat, Toshiba Sattelite
[12:58] <blackhat> i have a dell inspiron 6000
[12:58] <Seveas> nabucodor, please stick to english in here - #ubuntu-it is for italian
[12:58] <soundray> blackhat, is your windows partition nearly full?
[12:58] <zool2005> off to reinstall 32bit - bye
[12:58] <blackhat> No
[12:58] <blackhat> its not even half full
[12:58] <frogzoo> lappie question - how can I disable power to 1 - PCMCIA slot  - 2 CD drive ?
[12:58] <blackhat> when i boot up i get a few options
[12:58] <Ng> dooglus: I know that, but when things like rsync talk about preserving hardlinks, they mean second hardlinks
[12:59] <blackhat> erase all and make linux or w/e
[12:59] <blackhat> or edit the partition table manually
[12:59] <blackhat> and there is no resize options
[12:59] <skar> frogzoo:http://prozilla.genesys.ro/ has some info right at the top, seems proz is top notch
[12:59] <Ng> or rather, multiple hardlinks
[12:59] <soundray> blackhat, do you have the live CD?
[12:59] <blackhat> no
[12:59] <blackhat> regular cd.
[12:59] <KiLRoY> G'day - gdm wont start - desktop stuck at 640 x480 - help
[12:59] <frogzoo> skar: thx! :)
[12:59] <soundray> blackhat, and no Knoppix or Kanotix lying around?
[01:00] <blackhat> Nope.
[01:00] <blackhat> Why?
[01:00] <dooglus> Ng: it means it preserves the structure of the links.  so if two links are pointing to the same inode before, they will be after, too.
[01:00] <Ng> dooglus: again, I know that
[01:00] <frogzoo> skar: supports resume ie http 1.1 - sweet
[01:00] <Ng> I use rsync all the time and hardlinks :)
[01:00] <Ng> dooglus: I'm just keeping my language consistent with the rsync man page
[01:00] <soundray> blackhat, if you were to try qtparted for resizing, you would get an explanation for why it doesn't work, if it doesn't work.
[01:00] <dj_smilee|work> ;)
[01:00] <dooglus> Ng: ok.  it was when I saw you saying that he wouldn't have any hardlinks that I got the impression you didn't know what they were
[01:00] <blackhat> >_>
[01:01] <soundray> blackhat, qtparted is on K*ix
[01:01] <blackhat> It's NTFS partition.
[01:01] <blackhat> on dell inspiron 6000
[01:01] <blackhat> I could resize in windows using partition magic, but wouldnt i have to defrag first so my files dont get messed up
[01:01] <YukiIkyuta> blackhat, typically, PartitionMagic is careful of that for you.
[01:01] <docta_v> yea partition magic will take care of that
[01:01] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: we might need a bit more info than that...
[01:02] <blackhat> ok
[01:02] <blackhat> so I can resize my partition using partition magic then enter the linux installation and install
[01:02] <Ng> dooglus: I try not to conceal things from people, but I reckon that is genuinely confusing if you don't know about inodes and so on (and there's no reason why most people should), but no problem :)
[01:02] <docta_v> yep
[01:02] <soundray> blackhat, if you haven't defragged, this may be the reason why Ubuntu installer won't do the resizing.
[01:02] <blackhat> how much gb's does ubuntu require because i plan on giving it only about 8gb
[01:02] <jaaaro> Hi everyone.
[01:02] <Seveas> blackhat, that's enough
[01:02] <docta_v> it might be a decent idea to defrag anyway though
[01:02] <corresponder> hi
[01:02] <blackhat> k
[01:02] <docta_v> even though it's not required
[01:02] <blackhat> thanks for the help.
[01:02] <soundray> corresponder, back so soon?
[01:03] <jaaaro> My disk went to silicon heaven so I finally decided to switch from debian to ubuntu, but I have small problem.
[01:03] <corresponder> *g*
[01:03] <soundray> :)
[01:03] <jaaaro> I'd like to get actual kernel without need of compilation. Is that possilbe?
[01:03] <corresponder> jap
[01:03] <corresponder> what did you call actual?
[01:03] <jaaaro> I haven't found packages in repositories.
[01:03] <soundray> jaaaro, with actual, do you mean current?
[01:03] <jaaaro> corresponder: e.g. 2.6.13
[01:03] <Ng> no
[01:04] <dooglus> Ng: I'd suggest that the problem lies with the rsync man page.  It's quite misleading, talking about "detecting hard links" in the description of the -H flag.  It means "detecting multiple hard links to the same i-node" I think.
[01:04] <thoreauputic> jaaaro: if by actual you mean "latest", no - but apt-cache search linux-image is a good start
[01:04] <jaaaro> that word doesn't matter that much - I've found none precompiled kernels.
[01:04] <frogzoo> blackhat: here's my lappie fs layout - http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/455296
[01:04] <thoreauputic> jaaaro: see above
[01:04] <Ng> dooglus: that's probably true
[01:04] <paines> hi
[01:04] <sayan> hi
[01:04] <ndlovu> when I look in Synaptic, sun-j2re1.5 is installed, but java --version says it's 1.4.2 - is this correct?
[01:04] <ph33r> soundray, I found drivers for the USB Wireless Card on Avaya.com Im burning them on a cd now :D
[01:04] <skar> thoreauputic: how to see installed vesion of a package?
[01:04] <jaaaro> thoreauputic: wow. In fact. It's resolved now.
[01:05] <Ng> dooglus: I'm trying to weigh up how much an average rsync user needs to know that, vs if anyone who actually needs -H will already know that ;)
[01:05] <thoreauputic> ndlovu:  update-alternatives --config java
[01:05] <paines> i have a problem with licq. I can only connect ones, the first time. when I shut down licq, and try to login again, it doesn't work anymore
[01:05] <jaaaro> I've installed warty from cd's and made upgrade to breezy via apt-get :)
[01:05] <corresponder> jaaaro: ubuntu comes with 2.6.12
[01:05] <sayan> how could i backup using rsync
[01:05] <soundray> ph33r, can you point me to the download page pls?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> skar: apt-cache policy <package>
[01:05] <jaaaro> and somehow linux-images weren't visible until now.
[01:05] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic:gnome desktop manager hasn't started - i'm not sure how to start it, or why it didn't start
[01:05] <sayan> I am new in ubuntu
[01:05] <jaaaro> but they are so I'm happy.
[01:06] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: try (from a tty )  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start (or restart if that fails)
[01:07] <frogzoo> sayan: congrats
[01:07] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: I assume you mean gdm and not gnome-session
[01:07] <ndlovu> thoreauputic: thanks, thats exactly what I needed. Except now java --version says "Could not create the Java virtual machine" :(
[01:07] <jaaaro> I also had mysterious problems with keyboard but I suppose they were as well caused by "system in upgrade
[01:07] <jaaaro> ... system in upgrade" state.
[01:08] <jaaaro> I'l check that now.
[01:08] <frogzoo> KiLRoY: do you mean the gui didn't start? ie it's an X configuration/vid driver problem
[01:08] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: did you use a java deb or install from the sun installer?
[01:08] <aeon17x> A standard Ubuntu install can run just fine with 96 MB of RAM, right?
[01:08] <soundray> aeon17x, that's very tight.
[01:08] <janopotter> hih
[01:08] <janopotter> hi
[01:08] <thoreauputic> aeon17x: rather slowly I would say
[01:08] <SirKillalot> do you know a way to download a full (existing and running) phpbb forum?
[01:08] <soundray> aeon17x, but it will run if you have swap space.
[01:08] <SirKillalot> and save it on the hdd
[01:09] <thoreauputic> aeon17x: 128MB is probably minimum for gnome, really
[01:09] <ph33r> soundray, just go to avaya.com and find "downloads" then you find software
[01:09] <ph33r> soundray, and then you find your product :P
[01:09] <samu2> aeon17x, i ran gnome with 128MB earlier, it worked but it was a bit sluggish.
[01:09] <sayan> hi people !! I am new in this window
[01:09] <soundray> ph33r, I don't have one yet, just considering switching from Belkin.
[01:10] <corresponder> 192mb is not much, too
[01:10] <corresponder> 128mb is better for using blackbox or fluxbox
[01:10] <corresponder> ;-)
[01:10] <aeon17x> Will it run slower or just the same as if I have, let's say, Windows XP on it?
[01:10] <Nikusan> thoreauputic, I've got the same problem as ndlovu. And I installed java 1.5 update 6 using a deb made by java-package
[01:10] <Necrocide> hile, I have a windows partition and a linux partition (ubuntu) I want to transfer some of the space from the windows partition, to my swap partition, and my ubuntu partition. Can I just boot my windows and then deincrease the size of the partition, and then increase the swap and ubuntu partition?
[01:11] <corresponder> hmmm
[01:11] <ndlovu> thoreauputic: was a while back, before I upgraded, but I see jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin in my downloads
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Nikusan: hmm - I don't know then - it worked fine here
[01:11] <corresponder> backup before
[01:11] <Necrocide> :/
[01:11] <thoreauputic> !tell ndlovu about javadeb
[01:11] <terekker> hi got my free ubuntu cd in the mail today
[01:11] <corresponder> cool
[01:11] <sayan> hi how rsync help me to backup
[01:11] <terekker> live disk fails to boot
[01:11] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic: tried the  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start -  * Starting GNOME Display Manager...              [fail]
[01:11] <KiLRoY> and yes the gdm
[01:12] <Ng> sayan: there are many ways to do it - if you google for rsync backup you will probably find many tutorials :)
[01:12] <terekker> stops at hot plug subsystem - any ideas?
[01:12] <frogzoo> terekker: check /var/log/messages
[01:12] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: do you have X running or just a tty ?
[01:12] <sayan> any link could you suggest
[01:12] <dj_smilee|work> rsync is popular today D:
[01:12] <billy_boy_mccoy_> hello
[01:12] <corresponder> hi
[01:12] <terekker> how can I check the messages file if the os didnt start up?
[01:12] <soundray> aeon17x, WinXP and Gnome will have similar difficulties. There's no exact comparison though.
[01:12] <corresponder> terekker: knoppix
[01:12] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: if X won't start at all, do   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:13] <ndlovu> horeauputic: how would I get rid of old java packages? 1.5 I can get remove with synaptic. 1.4.2. I'm not so sure about?
[01:13] <billy_boy_mccoy_> i got a problem
[01:13] <soundray> Necrocide, Windows cannot resize it's own partition.
[01:13] <corresponder> or tomsrtbt
[01:13] <ndlovu> erm, thoreauputic that es
[01:13] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic: have tried a restart - no luck there either
[01:13] <Necrocide> soundray, im using Partition Magic, then I can
[01:13] <corresponder> pre beta
[01:13] <corresponder> ;-)
[01:13] <sayan> thanks bye
[01:13] <aeon17x> I see. Thanks.
[01:13] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: have you tried the command I just gave you ?
[01:13] <soundray> Necrocide, okay, so what do you want to know?
[01:13] <terekker> i can download knoppix but I'd much rather get this working since I've got it already
[01:13] <Necrocide> If it's possible
[01:13] <joda_> quick question: in which file is routing tables saved? the guide I've found talks about /etc/sysconfig/network...
[01:13] <KiLRoY> about to
[01:13] <frogzoo> terekker: boot a recovery disk will do it, ubuntu live, RIP, or try the recovery option in grub
[01:13] <Necrocide> To not screw up ubuntu
[01:13] <billy_boy_mccoy_> i installed unbuntu on partion, installed windows xp on other however windows xp wnet kapt
[01:13] <billy_boy_mccoy_> how do i get on to unbuntu?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: if you installed with synaptic, remove with synaptic or apt
[01:14] <aeon17x> !pastebin
[01:14] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel.  That would be easiest :)
[01:16] <Ng> |Gmp|: at the top right of the screen? right click on it and choose preferences
[01:16] <frogzoo> soundray has a point
[01:17] <|Gmp|> the clocks at the top right
[01:17] <Necrocide> i swtiched to linux the other day, so I need to evaluate it before i wipe my windows :D
[01:17] <corresponder> *g*
[01:17] <frogzoo> |Gmp|: right click clock -> prefs
[01:17] <|Gmp|> its 2 hours short
[01:17] <Dr_Acemaster> Necrocide just have it dual boot, you prob don't ever want to remove windows completely
[01:17] <aeon17x> Necrocide: don't wipe your windows, especially if you paid for it.
[01:17] <|Gmp|> thats weird
[01:17] <joda_> can anyone tell me, when I make changes with the ip command, like "ip add default <IP_ADDRESS>", where does that info get saved?
[01:17] <Necrocide> I got dual boot
[01:17] <|Gmp|> Necrocide, duel boot
[01:18] <czr> joda_, kernel memory
[01:18] <docta_v> aeon17x, hehe
[01:18] <corresponder> joda_: /etc/network
[01:18] <Necrocide> But I need more space on my Linux partition, that I have to take from my windows
[01:18] <czr> ip never touches any files
[01:18] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: the removed package will still be in the cache so you can reinstall it after you get a working java
[01:18] <Ng> joda_: if you want to make permanent changes, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:18] <aeon17x> Necrocide: you can shrink it.
[01:18] <Ng> joda_: see "man interfaces" for docs on what you can put in there
[01:18] <Necrocide> ah
[01:18] <corresponder> delete win
[01:18] <Necrocide> with no problem?
[01:18] <corresponder> ;-P
[01:18] <joda_> ok, thanks all
[01:18] <Necrocide> Ubuntu wont fuck up?
[01:18] <Dr_Acemaster> Necrocide yeah good luck w/ that, very high chance of jacking everything up
[01:18] <Necrocide> :/
[01:19] <aeon17x> Necrocide: yeah, it's quite safe from what I hear.
[01:19] <Necrocide> I try and get back to you guys
[01:19] <corresponder> lol
[01:19] <soundray> Necrocide, before you start...
[01:19] <Necrocide> I hope :=
[01:19] <czr> Necrocide, defrag ntfs fully before even attempting that
[01:19] <corresponder> partition magic= problem magic
[01:19] <joda_> I'm trying to do a loadbalancing between two internet connections - the guides I've found recommend activating this using the ip command
[01:19] <Necrocide> Hmm
[01:19] <joda_> when I try it, it says "file already exists"
[01:19] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic:   Use kernel framebuffer device interface?  (on a nvfx5200) yes or no ??
[01:20] <thoreauputic> Necrocide: you might want to use gparted on the live CD
[01:20] <soundray> Necrocide, do you know how to select and boot a kernel from the grub command line?
[01:20] <czr> joda_, it's a generic error message meaning 'the thing you just tried to do is already present in system'
[01:20] <billy_boy_mccoy_> yeah i have just fromatted hardsik
[01:20] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: shouldn't matter much - accept the default
[01:20] <joda_> so it just means that it's already got a default gateway
[01:20] <KiLRoY> ok
[01:20] <billy_boy_mccoy_> am gona reinstall windows
[01:20] <Necrocide> Defrag, shrink windows partition with 5gb, increase Linux part. 4,5gb and increase swap with 500mb
[01:20] <czr> joda_, /etc/network doesn't support ip anyway. so you're better off doing a script that will be run on boot that will contain the extra ip-command sequences
[01:20] <billy_boy_mccoy_> see if i can et that working
[01:20] <Necrocide> soundray, no.
[01:20] <czr> joda_, probably in this case. check with ip (it has displaying options)
[01:21] <billy_boy_mccoy_> i thin my experiment with linux has failed on my gammiing pc
[01:21] <frogzoo> czr: see /etc/network/interfaces
[01:21] <joda_> ok, great, thanks :)
[01:21] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: you might want to use the vesa driver if all else fails - at least that should work OK until you can troubleshoot
[01:21] <czr> frogzoo, a) I'm not the one needing help, b) interfaces does not support multiple default gateways
[01:21] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: remeber you can re-run this command any time
[01:21] <Necrocide> Time to try. I get back to you guys if I succede :)
[01:22] <czr> joda_, have fun. document your working config when you get it running
[01:22] <czr> joda_, it's not simple, basically it's a simplified instance of policy-based routing
[01:22] <soundray> Necrocide, look at the commands for booting you current kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst. If Ubuntu doesn't boot, you can enter those commands (root, kernel, initrd) in grub. You need to hit 'c' on the grub start screen.
[01:22] <joda_> Crz - will do - it's for a school project, so documentation is part of the process. I'll put it up on the wiki if I get it working
[01:23] <czr> joda_, try to find proper info on 'ip', it is very powerful
[01:23] <zandaa> dooglus, hiya
[01:24] <joda_> Czr: I've been looking at the documentation for iptables, but maybe I'd better be more specific, and look at the ip command itself
[01:24] <Dr_Acemaster> my wirless was working fine the other day, now it just won't pull an ip from the router, any idea how to fix it?
[01:24] <czr> joda_, iptables != ip
[01:24] <zandaa> Dr_Acemaster, have you tried rebooting the router?
[01:24] <Dr_Acemaster> and it's not hardware, as windows can pull an ip
[01:25] <czr> joda_, iptables is a tool to tell the kernel firewalling logic what to do, ip is a tool for anything else related to routing
[01:25] <Dr_Acemaster> damn wrong button
[01:25] <joda_> right, then it's definitely ip I need - great info, thanks :)
[01:25] <czr> joda_, have fun. there is also arptables and brtables ;-)
[01:26] <Ng> joda_: the iptables manpage is pretty good, otherwise there are some docs on its homepage (netfilter.samba.org afair)
[01:26] <Dr_Acemaster> I can see the connection on wifi radar and even says connected at the bottom, but can't pull an ip
[01:26] <joda_> czr, hehe - I think I'll just stick with ip for now
[01:26] <Ng> joda_: there are also lots of iptables tutorials online
[01:26] <czr> joda_, and vconfig and bridge-related tools, don't remeber their names. in short there are lot of low-level networking tools
[01:26] <joda_> basically I need to give users access to several net connections
[01:27] <czr> joda_, trough your router?
[01:27] <czr> I mean Linux ;-)
[01:27] <dragoon> iptables + webmin
[01:27] <dragoon> :p
[01:27] <czr> somehow iptables + webmin doesn't compute :-)
[01:27] <ndlovu> thoreauputic: I still have a java version located at /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.0-<IP_ADDRESS>/ that wasn't installed with apt - how would I get rid of it? rm -rf?
[01:27] <Ng> dragoon: webmin is horrible ;)
[01:28] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: no
[01:28] <czr> joda_, if you want it to work properly, you'll also need to duplicate your linux gateway that does the load balancing
[01:28] <dragoon> i know
[01:28] <czr> joda_, that is much harder to do especially if your box is doing NAT
[01:28] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: run   update-alternatives --config java
[01:28] <kiran_> dsd
[01:28] <joda_> czr: well, 3 routers with an internet connection each, one for gaming (low ping) and two for download - I need loadbalancing between the two for download, and giving the users a chance to switch between the loadbalanced ones, and the gaming line
[01:29] <ndlovu> thoreauputic - so then just leave the old version installed?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: that installation is the "free" java installed by default
[01:29] <joda_> czr: I'm not running nat on the machine - I'm leaving that to the routers
[01:29] <czr> joda_, you need to do it with ip and policy-routing
[01:29] <czr> joda_, and user switching means that policy-routing tables will be changed
[01:29] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: I did - I'm not sure if it would be needed or not
[01:29] <kiran_> hello friends i am new to linux
[01:29] <joda_> crz: yeah, that's how I figured I'd do it
[01:29] <czr> joda_, how will users control which link they will use?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: possibly it isn't, but I play safe ;)
[01:30] <joda_> crz: well, we where thinking of a web interface with mac address filtering, so that each user can change routing for the machine she is on
[01:30] <joda_> crz: but that part will probably just be theoretical
[01:31] <joda_> crz: right now, I just want to prove I can do it manually - after that I can easily argue that a script can be made to handle the change
[01:31] <whiteknight> hey a;;
[01:31] <whiteknight> all*
[01:31] <joda_> crz that's the plan, anyways :)
[01:31] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic:did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", re-run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start", result was "* Starting GNOME Display Manager...              [fail]
[01:31] <KiLRoY> "
[01:31] <czr> joda_, yeah. sounds solid. just remember policy-routing
[01:31] <czr> joda_, the policy routing engine though will use IP addresses of hosts, not MACs
[01:32] <czr> joda_, but I guess that is ok for your needs?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: do you have X running at all ? have you tried just typing  " startx " ?
[01:32] <joda_> crz: yeah, the idea is that we set up dhcp that links ip to mac, so that would work too
[01:32] <Fujoor> hey people, i have a lil question, today i did a "server" install of ubuntu, when its finished, the first thing i do is i do an apt-get upgrade command
[01:33] <Fujoor> but it says something is missing and that i should do an apt-get update
[01:33] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic: don't know if X is running, will try startx
[01:33] <Fujoor> i meant update in the first one too
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Fujoor: and did you?
[01:33] <Fujoor> yes, it says i should do an update when i do an update
[01:33] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: do you have a graphical interface, or not?
[01:33] <Ng> Fujoor: does the box have network access setup?
[01:33] <Fujoor> and after that i cant install much else because it says that its missing some stuff and i should do an update
[01:34] <joda_> crz: well, I've got som reading to do. I may be back when it doesn't work at all :)
[01:34] <Fujoor> nq: yes, when i tried a pure debian install it worked
[01:34] <Ng> Fujoor: can you ping something on the net, for example? The exact error message would be useful (use a pastebin if it's long)
[01:34] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: if X isn't running you just get a black screen with a prompt
[01:34] <Ng> Fujoor: I'm not aksing about a pure debian install, I'm asking about that exact ubuntu install :)
[01:34] <Fujoor> ng: oh, i did it in vmware
[01:34] <czr> joda_, heh, just don't ask me about policy routing ;-)
[01:34] <czr> should do some work meanwhile
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Fujoor: erm, why not mention that first?
[01:35] <joda_> crz: wouldn't want you to do all my homework for me ;)
[01:35] <Fujoor> thore: oh sorry, didnt think it mattered , you mean the vmware?
[01:35] <Fujoor> you think vmware is the bad guy in the drama?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Fujoor: of course - it could be a vmware issue, right ?
[01:35] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic;deff haven't got that
[01:36] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: haven't got what? Be precise , please!
[01:36] <Tuntis> *whoops*
[01:36] <Tuntis> I think...
[01:36] <oggah> is there any spyware, trojans n stuff for ubuntu?
[01:36] <Fujoor> thore: perhaps yes, i will try it on my comp when i get home in a couple of months, but im eager to try it out now :)
[01:36] <KiLRoY> a black screen
[01:36] <Tuntis> That I just killed my Ubuntu
[01:36] <KiLRoY> with prompt
[01:36] <Tuntis> How would I fix my MBR to use ntloader again?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: what *do* you have then?
[01:36] <Fujoor> and when i choose xserver-xfree86 , which is the most usual graphic driver?
[01:37] <Ng> you don't want xfree86, you want xserver-xorg :)
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Fujoor: latest Ubuntu uses xserver-xorg, not xfree86
[01:37] <blackhaT> When installing ubuntu it asks if I want to install grub, well I do want to install it but not on my MBR, I want to install it on the Linux Root partition and make it bootable just incase something goes wrong it doesn't effect my windows partition, is this possible?
[01:37] <Fujoor> ng: oh, but i saw them use xfree in a ubuntu minimal guide, but xserver-xorg is already preinstalled right?
[01:37] <Tuntis> blackhaT, if you select no, it asks where to install (afaik)
[01:37] <Fujoor> or do i have to apt-get that one aswell?
[01:37] <Ng> Fujoor: if you did a server install it probably isn't installed
[01:37] <blackhaT> Okay
[01:37] <blackhaT> Thank you.
[01:37] <zandaa> anyone know any fun little games for gnome to install???
[01:38] <frogzoo> zandaa: lincity's pretty ok
[01:38] <Tuntis> Won't promise anything.
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Fujoor: you would need x-window-system-core and a window manager
[01:38] <Fujoor> ng: ah ... so to install say, xubuntu-desktop, i need the xserver-xorg and the xterm terminal, is that it?
[01:38] <Fujoor> and wdm, or was it xdm?
[01:38] <Hann> i ordered my CDs about 6 months ago and i;m still freakin waiting for my damn CDs!!!!!!!
[01:38] <Seveas> zandaa, xmoto, pingus, atomix, monkey-bubble
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Fujoor: or install xubuntu-desktop if you like xfce4
[01:39] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic: what i have is a desktop resolution of 640 x480 and "gdm" not running.
[01:39] <Seveas> Hann, hoary cd's are no longer sent, so you will probably never receive those
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Fujoor: xubuntu-desktop includes an xserver
[01:39] <Fujoor> ah, so i should apt-get xubuntu-desktop and x-window-system-core, thats it? lovely :)
[01:39] <blackhaT> if I have 4 partitions on my drive, can I make the 4th partition bootable and put grub on it?
[01:39] <siriusnova> hi
[01:39] <Hann> before that, i made another order and it never came
[01:39] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: so you didn't get a login screen?
[01:39] <siriusnova> I have a question, I have a 400mhz PII with 256 mb RAM, should I run ubuntu?
[01:39] <Fujoor> does xubuntu-desktop come with the terminal windows and all?
[01:39] <Ng> blackhaT: that depends on your bios and disk setup, but probably if it's a fairly new PC
[01:39] <Hann> it's like ubuntu hates me
[01:39] <docta_v> blackhaT, no need to change which partition is bootable
[01:39] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: how did you start X then?
[01:39] <blackhaT> its a dell inspiron 6000, just bought it.
[01:40] <docta_v> since you can install grub to the MBR
[01:40] <siriusnova> its an IBM Thinkpad 600E
[01:40] <blackhaT> I don't want too.
[01:40] <zandaa> seveas: it can't finbd xmoto in the repositories
[01:40] <blackhaT> I want to install it on the Linux root partition
[01:40] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic: yes i got a login screen at startup
[01:40] <Seveas> Hann, more like post office or US customs...
[01:40] <Hann> maybe
[01:40] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: *cough* that would be gdm then
[01:40] <Seveas> zandaa, grab it from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl (in breezy there was a bug that caused it to not be included)
[01:40] <docta_v> yea you could do that then...as long as it's a primary partition
[01:40] <docta_v> and not extended
[01:40] <Fujoor> ng: does the xubuntu-desktop come with the fancy transparent terminals and all?
[01:40] <Seveas> zandaa, and don't forget supertux :)
[01:40] <blackhaT> How do I make it primary
[01:40] <Hann> i'm just so frustrated....
[01:40] <thoreauputic> KiLRoY: so you have your terminology mixed Ithink
[01:40] <Ng> Fujoor: I have no idea, but probably not
[01:40] <zandaa> seveas: thanks :)
[01:41] <Ng> Fujoor: if you want a pretty desktop, install ubuntu-desktop, not xubuntu-desktop
[01:41] <Ng> Fujoor: or just do a full install ;)
[01:41] <thoreauputic> !tell KiLRoY about fixres
[01:41] <Fujoor> ng: but the comp im gonna install it aint that new :)
[01:41] <siriusnova> is Ubuntu on a 400mhz PII with 256mb RAm going to be a crap experience like SUSE?
[01:41] <siriusnova> or should i go back to freebsd :(
[01:41] <Ng> Fujoor: then you probably don't want transparent terminals
[01:41] <Fujoor> ng: thats why i was consindering xubuntu, but xubuntu looks quite nice on the screenshots
[01:41] <Seveas> siriusnova, try xubuntu
[01:41] <dragoon> openbsd! ftw
[01:41] <siriusnova> what is xubuntu?
[01:41] <docta_v> siriusnova, it mainly depends on your window manager
[01:42] <Seveas> siriusnova, ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome
[01:42] <siriusnova> doct_v - im guessing gnome is out of the question
[01:42] <zandaa> seveas: if I download it from your website, how do I install it if it's on desktop?
[01:42] <docta_v> siriusnova, heh heh...i wouldn't even run gnome on a 3ghz
[01:42] <siriusnova> heh
[01:42] <Seveas> zandaa, you should add that repository to your sources.list and use apt
[01:42] <docta_v> xfce is nice...you'll like that
[01:42] <Ng> docta_v: plenty would :)
[01:42] <blackhaT> Okay I have four partitions, 1 is windows, 1 is a restore, 1 linux and 1 linux swap, i want to install grub on linux and make it bootable just incase something goes wrong it wont affect my windows
[01:42] <siriusnova> I usually run FreeBSD on my laptop, but as of late im thinking Linux
[01:42] <blackhaT> is this possible if so how can I do it dfuring the installation
[01:42] <zandaa> seveas: ah.. thanks I'm still not used to the way linux works
[01:42] <docta_v> or slome as i call it
[01:43] <Seveas> docta_v, how many ghz would it take to let you run KDE? :)
[01:43] <Ng> docta_v: lame :)
[01:43] <docta_v> KDE is faster than gnome
[01:43] <Seveas> rofl
[01:43] <docta_v> it always has been
[01:43] <Seveas> kde is overhead & eyecandy central
[01:43] <docta_v> i don't use kde either though...i prefer xfce
[01:43] <Seveas> it;s technically impossible for it to be faster
[01:44] <interoz> i am a debian user and don't know much of ubuntu. i installed ubuntu at a friend of mine, who's a linux newbie. the problem is that after a plain install gnome didn't start (could not understand why). so i installed xfce, and it went fine. how can i actually use gnome?
[01:44] <czr> it's possible to disable all eyecandy and use a lighter theme
[01:44] <czr> then it will fly Seveas
[01:44] <oggah> siriusnova, what freebsd version you run on your laptop? and what manufactor is your laptop?
[01:44] <Seveas> czr, same for gnome :)
[01:44] <czr> Seveas, but gnome uses GTK+ which uses pango which makes text painful
[01:44] <Ng> I'm on a 1.6Ghz Pentium M and gnome runs fine
[01:44] <Ng> czr: s/painful/beautiful/ :)
[01:45] <siriusnova> oggah - last version I ran was 5.4 and its an IBM Thinkpad 600E
[01:45] <Ng> and the CPU is idling at 50% speed most of the time
[01:45] <czr> painfully slow compared to anything else. happy Ng? :-)
[01:45] <Myrtti> I'm on a 800MHz Duron and Gnome runs fine
[01:45] <Ng> czr: no, because that's rubbish :)
[01:45] <Ng> czr: are you running an unaccelerated X driver or something?
[01:45] <oggah> siriusnova, interesting. I got a thinkpad T41. And really want to run either *bsd or linux on it.
[01:45] <czr> Ng, everything is fine at my end
[01:45] <siriusnova> http://www.ece.umr.edu/~taknnc/600E.html
[01:45] <siriusnova> ^^
[01:45] <samu2> my p3 600 runs reasonably well
[01:45] <Seveas> czr, pango is still somewhat unoptimized, but it's great. Dappers pango will be muvh better though
[01:45] <czr> Gtk-based apps are just more sluggish, esp since pango
[01:46] <czr> just compare any gtk1.2 vs 2.6/2.7
[01:46] <ndlovu> thoreauputic: thanks, java working great now! update-alternatives also good to know about.
[01:46] <czr> 2.8 :-)
[01:46] <Seveas> czr, but gtk1 is plain ugly
[01:46] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: glad to hear it :)
[01:46] <czr> yes, but it's fast. and I think that was the issue here
[01:47] <czr> saying something like 'technically it's impossible for beat gnome in speed' is rather daft imho
[01:47] <Seveas> not in case of KDE
[01:47] <Seveas> that has overhead written al over it in big red letters :)
[01:47] <czr> on all the computers that I've used, kde has always been more responsive once you disable shadows and all that shit
[01:48] <thoreauputic> !start adesktop war
[01:48] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Are you smoking crack?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> !start a desktop war
[01:48] <ubotu> ratpoison is much better than xfce!
[01:48] <czr> but that's just me, I don't care :-)
[01:48] <thoreauputic> hear hear!
[01:48] <samu2> he he
[01:48] <Seveas> ratpoison...
[01:48] <thoreauputic> really, lets forget the KDE vs Gnome stuff
[01:48] <dragoon> fluxbox is better then both
[01:48] <dragoon> end of story
[01:49] <siriusnova> oggah - http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/
[01:49] <oggah> siriusnova, cool. what window manager comes with freebsd?
[01:49] <thoreauputic> dragoon: you won't get any argument from me on that one :)
[01:49] <dragoon> :)
[01:49] <oggah> *freebsd-newbie* got some small experiences with linux.
[01:49] <Seveas> CARBON BEATS ALL!!1121!!@
[01:49] <siriusnova> oggah - no window manager comes as default, you choose what you want
[01:50] <siriusnova> FreeBSD basically requires you to set up everything
[01:50] <samu2> carbon sure is the best element
[01:50] <Seveas> thoreauputic, well..
[01:50] <siriusnova> when you install x.org you can also install the window manager of your choosing
[01:50] <zandaa> seveas, I can't seem to add the repository...
[01:51] <oggah> okay.
[01:51] <Seveas> zandaa, why not?
[01:51] <oggah> ive heard the freebsd installation is kinda complicated.
[01:51] <siriusnova> anyway FreeBSD is nice, but i felt like using linux, at the moment im using Knoppix as I hosed my harddrive :)
[01:51] <oggah> siriusnova, what WM do you run?
[01:51] <zandaa> seveas, it won't appear in my list when I click add>custom>seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:51] <Seveas> oggah, it's not as easy as ubuntu
[01:51] <siriusnova> oggah - its definetly not for newbies, FreeBSD requires you to set up everything manually. The best place to start is to read the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/handbook
[01:52] <Seveas> zandaa, you need to add deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ubuntu-seveas breezy-custom
[01:52] <dragoon> openbsd / netbsd are alot nicer
[01:52] <Seveas> (iirc)
[01:52] <Chousuke> oggah: it is after you get used to the easy installation that distros like Debian offers. :P
[01:52] <dragoon> new freebsd is wierd
[01:52] <zandaa> seveas ah ok
[01:52] <siriusnova> actually i take that back, i first started with FreeBSD since I hated slackware hehe
[01:52] <Seveas> zandaa, you need to add deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas breezy-custom
[01:52] <siriusnova> actually the FreeBSD install is pretty darn easy
[01:52] <Seveas> (my bad)
[01:53] <oggah> Chousuke, I presume so :)
[01:53] <zandaa> seveas: now the synaptic program doesn't want to respond <_<
[01:53] <siriusnova> it guides you through it
[01:53] <oggah> siriusnova, kay.
[01:53] <siriusnova> but FreeBSD requires you to read the handbook, as EVERYTHING is explained in it.
[01:53] <Seveas> zandaa, then simply use a text editor to add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[01:53] <Tuntis> Hello people
[01:53] <Seveas> Hi Tuntis
[01:53] <siriusnova> everything from servers to confugring X
[01:53] <Tuntis> I destroyed my Ubuntu installation
[01:53] <Tuntis> Now I want to reinstall it
[01:53] <Tuntis> But Grub is on the way.
[01:53] <Seveas> Tuntis, pop in the cd and repeat what you did last time you installed :)
[01:53] <Tuntis> If I delete the Ubuntu partitions, grub won't work.
[01:53] <zandaa> seveas: I take it I have to use sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:54] <Seveas> zandaa, correct
[01:54] <oggah> siriusnova, what window manage / desktop envir. you run on freebsd?
[01:54] <Tuntis> I were going to ask, if just formatting them and directly booting from the ubuntu cd would work.
[01:54] <zandaa> seveas: yay, I understand the sudo concept :P
[01:54] <siriusnova> oggah - KDE
[01:54] <Tuntis> (wait, deleting them)
[01:54] <siriusnova> or twm, when im feeling elite
[01:54] <siriusnova> lol
[01:54] <Seveas> zandaa, good :)
[01:54] <Seveas> siriusnova, twm!
[01:54] <thoreauputic> siriusnova: or masochistic ... ;)
[01:54] <kuRupT> wich one must i downlaod? -> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[01:54] <oggah> siriusnova, isnt KDE slow on that machine?
[01:54] <siriusnova> actually i use twm a lot because its simple and doesn't use resources :)
[01:54] <joda_> can someone tell me how I get a list of current connections to and from my machine?
[01:54] <Seveas> twm is cool for the minimalistic
[01:54] <siriusnova> oggah - FreeBSD is very fast so KDE doesnt seem slow at all
[01:55] <Seveas> I used it on the old crappy sparc4 machines
[01:55] <siriusnova> Seveas - i like minimalism
[01:55] <siriusnova> twm also makes me feel like im some kind of uber hacker
[01:55] <siriusnova> :P
[01:55] <oggah> cool. KDE with ubuntu is slow ive heard.
[01:55] <Seveas> joda_, netstat -t
[01:55] <joda_> thanks
[01:55] <alley_m> hello... want to start a second xserver on display 3... I don't understand the syntax in man startx... anyone inside to tell me the needed command?
[01:55] <siriusnova> oggah - compared to Linux, FreeBSD hauls..
[01:55] <thoreauputic> joda_: install iftop and do something like  sudo iftop -BP -i eth0
[01:55] <zandaa> seveas: now I can't use the terminal to apt-get because the synaptic froze on me and is still accessing stuff
[01:55] <Seveas> alley_m, startx :3 (iirc)
[01:55] <kuRupT> can someone help me? wich one must i downlaod? -> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[01:56] <siriusnova> I ran Gnome and KDE on my 400mhz PII, i ran suse on the same laptop and it was DOG slow
[01:56] <alley_m> not with -d?
[01:56] <oggah> siriusnova, sorry. hauls? dont understand that word.
[01:56] <siriusnova> oggah - really fast
[01:56] <oggah> ah!
[01:56] <Seveas> zandaa, killall synaptic
[01:56] <zandaa> trough terminal?
[01:56] <Tuntis> So Seveas
[01:56] <Seveas> alley_m, not at all improbable, last time I used startx is a long long time ago
[01:56] <oggah> very snappy? responsive?
[01:56] <Tuntis> I delete the old Ubuntu partitions and boot from the install cd?
[01:56] <alley_m> hm.. ok... will give it a try...
[01:57] <Chousuke> the FreeBSD Handbook is excellent.
[01:57] <interoz> anyone has issues with gnome just right after install? issues = after gdm login it doesn't start
[01:57] <Seveas> Tuntis, or you simply let the installer overwrite the old partitions
[01:57] <siriusnova> oggah - FreeBSD is a great OS, but it is a TRUE UNIX, it doesnt hold your hand, but it will guide you through everything with the excellent documentation..
[01:57] <siriusnova> oggah - yes, very fast and responsive
[01:57] <Seveas> siriusnova, stop spamming freebsd :p
[01:57] <oggah> siriusnova, thats the only thing I dislike bout ubuntu. even with lighweight window managers. it isnt very snappy and responsive.
[01:57] <rob1> Seveas, good call
[01:57] <siriusnova> Chousuke - yeah FreeBSD handbook is great, every Linux distro needs a FreeBSD Handbook counterpart
[01:57] <Seveas> siriusnova, that's true...
[01:57] <siriusnova> lol Seveas
[01:58] <Chousuke> siriusnova: Debian documentation is quite good too.
[01:58] <zandaa> seveas: it still can't find the xmoto package
[01:58] <Chousuke> I think EVERY OSS project need a FreeBSD handbook counterpart.
[01:58] <thoreauputic> freeBSD ---> #ubuntu-offtopic  ;-)
[01:58] <alley_m> hm.. invalid MIT-MAGIG-Cookie-Key 1... @seveas
[01:58] <siriusnova> lol
[01:58] <Seveas> zandaa, apt-get update
[01:58] <siriusnova> Chousuke - debian documentation is great, if you can get past the install :P
[01:58] <zandaa> seveas, ah thanks
[01:58] <siriusnova> i gave up trying to install debian because it was nuts
[01:59] <kuRupT> can someone help meee????????? ..
[01:59] <Chousuke> siriusnova: the install is easy ;P
[01:59] <docta_v> freebsd is cool but it should come with a drill so you can drill a hole in your skull to relieve pressure on your brain after finishing with the install process
[01:59] <Seveas> siriusnova, debian install actually is quite easy
[01:59] <thoreauputic> siriusnova: the install is much easier than it was with Woody
[01:59] <Seveas> !tell kuRupT about anyone
[01:59] <dragoon> docta_v: freebsd is easy to install
[01:59] <Chousuke> My first ever successfull linux install was debian woody
[01:59] <siriusnova> thoreauputic - i guess they improved it
[01:59] <Chousuke> I failed with mandrake and fedora.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> siriusnova: indeed
[01:59] <Seveas> siriusnova, Ubuntu uses the same installer ;)
[01:59] <Chousuke> I fot them installed, but they didn't work
[01:59] <kuRupT> Seveas,  wich one must i downlaod? -> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[01:59] <Chousuke> got*
[02:00] <Chousuke> ergo, debian's installation was easier.
[02:00] <Seveas> kuRupT, 'linux self extracting binary'
[02:00] <frogzoo> if I install fluxbox as wm, will things break? is it much faster than gdm ?
[02:00] <thoreauputic> !tell kuRupT about javadeb
[02:00] <Seveas> NOT the rpm
[02:00] <siriusnova> anyway oggah - try freebsd if you like it, its true Unix and as such you will learn a lot, in many ways its similar to linux, pick your poison :)
[02:00] <Chousuke> frogzoo: gdm isn't a WM
[02:00] <zandaa> seveas: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/5550
[02:00] <Chousuke> frogzoo: but yes, fluxbox is fast.
[02:00] <zogbuntu> evms_open_engine() failed with error code 13: Permission denied
[02:00] <Chousuke> it's just not as easy to use as gnome, because it's not a DE
[02:01] <zogbuntu> got this applying updates after a straight install
[02:01] <Seveas> zandaa, je moet mijn key nog aan apt doorgeven
[02:01] <zogbuntu> google doesnt show much ubuntu specific, is it a FAQ?
[02:01] <zandaa> seveas, which key is that?
[02:01] <Seveas> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466
[02:01] <Seveas> gpg --export --armor 1135D466 | sudo apt-key add -
[02:01] <kuRupT> h Seveas where is 'linux self extracting binary' i cant find it
[02:01] <oggah> siriusnova, I am definitely going to try freebsd, sometime. Right now Im in the middle of learning Ubuntu, linux. What version of freebsd do you recommend?
[02:02] <Seveas> kuRupT, do you want to compile java things?
[02:02] <Seveas> or just run them?
[02:02] <frogzoo> Chousuke: DE ?
[02:02] <Chousuke> desktop environment
[02:02] <frogzoo> ah, thx
[02:03] <siriusnova> oggah - i think 6.0 is the newest release
[02:03] <KiLRoY> thoreauputic: what was that link again for the fix res prob - firefox would not start b4
[02:03] <Seveas> !fixres
[02:03] <ubotu> hmm... fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:03] <kuRupT> Seveas, jey i wont to compile it.. for my aureus and so one
[02:03] <siriusnova> but before you try it, at least glance through the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/handbook
[02:03] <joda_> how do I check if a specific kernel option is selected?
[02:03] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[02:03] <siriusnova> it explains everything, how to compile the kernel, set up sound, install packages etc..
[02:03] <KiLRoY> thx
[02:03] <thoreauputic> heh I didn't see that seveas, sorry ;)
[02:04] <Seveas> kuRupT, then click the 'Download jdk 5.0 update 6' link
[02:04] <kuRupT> Seveas, but wich one of theme? http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[02:04] <siriusnova> anyway - back to Ubuntu
[02:04] <siriusnova> so should I try Ubuntu or stick to freebsd? :(
[02:04] <No1Viking> What application should I use to look at a DVD?
[02:04] <kuRupT> Seveas, ah oke thx
[02:04] <zandaa> Seveas, hoe geef ik jouw key door aan apt??? (en wat is die key??)
[02:04] <siriusnova> especially on a 400mhz PII with 256mb RAM
[02:04] <Seveas> kuRupT, none of the ones from giannaros.org, they are outdate
[02:05] <Seveas> zandaa, gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466
[02:05] <kuRupT> hm
[02:05] <Seveas> zandaa, gpg --export --armor 1135D466 | sudo apt-key add -
[02:05] <kuRupT> Seveas, and then this one Download Now!  Linux RPM in self-extracting file or this one Download Now!  Linux self-extracting file
[02:06] <Seveas> kurros, linux self-extracting file
[02:06] <Seveas> NOT the rpm
[02:06] <Seveas> kuRupT*
[02:06] <kuRupT> oki
[02:06] <kuRupT> i'm sry.. but i dont speak english wery well xD
[02:06] <joda__> I got disconnected, so I'm afraid I'll have to ask again: how do I check if a kernel option has been selected?
[02:07] <Seveas> kuRupT, good enough :)
[02:07] <kuRupT> Seveas, hehe :D from where are you all?..
[02:08] <kuRupT> <--- is from europe :D
[02:08] <Seveas> kuRupT, there are localized channels too, #ubuntu-de #ubutnu-it or #ubuntu-fr should work for you :)
[02:08] <frauholle> Germany
[02:08] <kuRupT> Seveas, i know =) i speak german.. i'm also in #ubuntu-de ;)
[02:09] <kuRupT> frauholle, gut gg ;P
[02:09] <liam01> gutntag
[02:09] <liam01> lol
[02:09] <kuRupT> hehe
[02:09] <kuRupT> moinZ
[02:09] <kuRupT> <-- from Swiss =)
[02:09] <sonorous> tachZ
[02:09] <zandaa> seveas: alsnog wil hij niet werken, hij geeft een paar foutmeldingen
[02:10] <Seveas> zandaa, on the pastebin please :)
[02:11] <nifelseki> hi guys.. need help to have my g132 wireless adapter to work..
[02:11] <nifelseki> having a hard time making use of ndiswrapper
[02:11] <corresponder> which chipset?
[02:12] <nifelseki> atheros
[02:12] <Seveas> atheros does not need ndiswrapper
[02:12] <paines> nifelseki, madwifi drivers
[02:12] <nifelseki> hmmmmm.. i'll try that.. thanks
[02:12] <thoron> There seems to be no trully free WLAN drivers available.
[02:12] <zandaa> seveas: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/5551
[02:13] <thoron> At least for 54Mbps speed.
[02:13] <liam01> the defaults have always worked for me
[02:13] <Seveas> zandaa, gpg --export --armor 1135D466 | sudo -H apt-key add -
[02:14] <Seveas> zandaa, and the first command did not need sudo, you might have messed up something
[02:14] <zandaa> seveas: so what do I do now??? (the command you just sent didn't wanna work either)
[02:14] <Seveas> zandaa, if this still errors out: sudo gpg --export --armor 1135D466 | sudo apt-key add -
[02:16] <zandaa> seveas: it finally accepted it :D thanks
[02:16] <joda__> can anyone please tell me where I can find out which options the ubuntu kernel was compiled with?
[02:17] <Seveas> joda__, /boot/config-$YOUR_VERSION
[02:18] <zandaa> seveas: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/5552 < nog steeds kan hij niet vinden
[02:18] <joda__> Seveas: thanks, I appreciate it
[02:18] <Seveas> zandaa, sudo apt-get update
[02:18] <zandaa> seveas: heb ik ook al geprobeerd
[02:19] <Seveas> zandaa, output -> pastebin :)
[02:19] <dragoon> whats with the whole ubuntu no root thing
[02:19] <zandaa> seveas: will do
[02:19] <rob1> dragoon, you don't need it
[02:19] <Seveas> !tell dragoon about root
[02:19] <dragoon> rob1: i know that
[02:19] <rob1> dragoon, you can always get a root terminal by doing sudo -s
[02:20] <Seveas> rob1, eek
[02:20] <Seveas> sudo -i
[02:20] <dragoon> tru
[02:20] <rob1> Seveas, does it matter?
[02:20] <Seveas> rob1, yes
[02:20] <zandaa> seveas: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/5553
[02:20] <Seveas> -s does not reset $HOME
[02:22] <zandaa> robl, using sudo is more secure
[02:23] <nifelseki> ok.. guys.. madwifi won't work.. i'm using usb.. god.. i'm back to ndiswrapper..
[02:23] <garbageman> hi
[02:23] <chrisx1> hey i was installin some packages but i get power outage
[02:23] <chrisx1> and i cant seem to get gnome to work
[02:23] <liam01> debian doesnt allow root logons either
[02:23] <|Gmp|> im going to bed guys, cya all later
[02:23] <garbageman> i need some help ...
[02:24] <jeremywhiting> garbageman: what's up?
[02:24] <chrisx1> hey i was installin some packages but i get power outage can any1 help i cant get back into gnome! or any desktop
[02:24] <garbageman> hi im iinstalling epsxe (1.60) and i cant run it...
[02:25] <nifelseki> liam0l: try sudo -s.. it's not root logons but it might just do the trick
[02:25] <chrisx> sorry dc'd
[02:25] <jeremywhiting> garbageman: what does it do when you try
[02:25] <chrisx> can any1 help please?
[02:25] <nifelseki> creates a shell of sudo
[02:25] <liam01> oh i was just makin a point nifelseki but thx
[02:25] <liam01> =)
[02:25] <nifelseki> it's like you've logged in as root
[02:26] <jeremywhiting> chrisx1 log in as your normal user and do sudo aptitude or whatever to restart installing those packages
[02:26] <nifelseki> either that or you can enable root logons
[02:26] <garbageman> @ jeremywhiting : it a error ...: /usr/games/epsxe: line 25: lndir: command not found
[02:26] <chrisx> jeremywhiting i cant log int to anydesktop and theres none to be continued they was being installed and power went
[02:26] <shanonx> anyone know where I can get point 2 play?
[02:26] <jeremywhiting> chrisx: so log in to the console
[02:27] <jeremywhiting> don't you get any login prompt?
[02:27] <chrisx> jeremywhiting im loged in to console now
[02:27] <chrisx> usin bitchx
[02:27] <chrisx> what command shall i run?
[02:27] <jeremywhiting> ok, so sudo aptitude and continue installing whatever you were installing before
[02:28] <dragoon> shanonx: #cedega
[02:28] <chrisx> ok ill try
[02:28] <liam01> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:28] <liam01> chrisx
[02:28] <shanonx> dragoon: thanks
[02:28] <garbageman> @ jeremywhiting:
[02:28] <garbageman> what can i do?
[02:29] <jeremywhiting> garbageman: maybe edit /usr/games/epsxe and see what it's talking about on line 25
[02:29] <chrisx> jeremywhiting how do i fix broken packages?
[02:29] <jeremywhiting> or see if you can find lndir somewhere and fix the /usr/games/epsxe script
[02:29] <jeremywhiting> seems like /usr/games/epsxe is a bash script, or some kind of script anyway
[02:29] <jeremywhiting> should just be able to edit it
[02:30] <Insidious> is point2play included as part of the cvs cedega now?
[02:30] <garbageman> @ jeremywhiting :# Populate the doghouse
[02:30] <garbageman> lndir -silent /usr/share/games/psx-bios			bios
[02:30] <chrisx> jeremywhiting how do i fix broken packages?
[02:31] <oggah> what wifi pc-card do you recommend? not only to work in linux, but also. good sensitivity? etc.
[02:31] <oggah> what manufacturer.
[02:31] <garbageman> i dont have the command lndir....
[02:31] <oggah> and/or model.
[02:31] <dragoon> Atheros are good
[02:31] <shanonx> What would cause me to exit GUI and go to terminal when I hit CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE... instead of just going to GUI login?
[02:31] <zandaa> oggah: Sitecom is also a good manufacturer
[02:31] <oggah> what about 3com?
[02:32] <oggah> quality?
[02:32] <chrisx> grr ffs
[02:32] <zandaa> oggah, never heard of 3com
[02:32] <chrisx> how do i fix broken packages?
[02:32] <dragoon> chrisx: try apt-get -f install
[02:34] <chrisx> dragoon that did nothing
[02:34] <Insidious> shanonx, that key combo kills x... and normally the session manager brings it back up with the login window.  sounds like your session manager isn't set up right
[02:34] <shanonx> Insidious: is tehre a way to check to see or fix my session manager?
[02:34] <Insidious> shanonx, (session manager is gdm in ubuntu)
[02:35] <Insidious> shanonx, yeah, check if it's running from terminal
[02:35] <Insidious> shanonx, type "ps -A" and see if it's in the list
[02:35] <SirKillalot> how can I make alsa play a sound file?
[02:35] <dragoon> shannonx: ps aux | grep gdm
[02:36] <Insidious> ya, that's better :P
[02:36] <shanonx> Insidious: yes its actually listed 2 times.
[02:36] <interoz> know how to solve this?
[02:36] <interoz> ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:203:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-8948-1134134785-309856: Permission denied
[02:36] <interoz> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:898:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client
[02:36] <interoz> Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[02:36] <jeremywhiting> garbageman: debian has lndir in their xutils package
[02:36] <jeremywhiting> try installing ubuntu's and see if that fixes the problem
[02:36] <pr4vst3r> hello, can anybody help with a wep/orinoco/breezy issue?
[02:37] <Insidious> shanonx, it should be.  check your /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[02:37] <garbageman> the package xulils is installed
[02:37] <garbageman> ...
[02:37] <Insidious> shanonx, it has some settings in there that might fix it
[02:37] <jeremywhiting> hmm, ok
[02:38] <garbageman> hmm ...
[02:38] <garbageman> ???
[02:38] <garbageman> version 6.8.2-77
[02:38] <chrisx> how do i fix broken packages?
[02:39] <chrisx> i amma reinstall ubuntu
[02:39] <chrisx> umm
[02:39] <chrisx> bbs ppl
[02:39] <nabucodor> aiutooooo devo installare i driver per ma mia scheda tv DVB ne canale italiano non c' nessuno che mi aiuti qui c' qualcuno? perfavore
[02:39] <nabucodor> :(
[02:39] <garbageman> reinstall packages @chrisx
[02:39] <chrisx> garbageman i cant how?
[02:39] <chrisx> i dont know whats missing
[02:40] <djk_> !it
[02:40] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:40] <Tuntis> Should I take Kubuntu or not; I apt-getted kubuntu-desktop and it looked horrible
[02:40] <garbageman> run synaptik
[02:40] <garbageman> @chrisx
[02:40] <nabucodor> after
[02:41] <dragoon> xfce rocks.
[02:41] <dragoon> i just changed to it then
[02:41] <pr4vst3r> hello, can anybody help with a wep/orinoco/breezy issue?
[02:41] <chrisx> bbl
[02:42] <pr4vst3r> hello, can anybody help with a wep/orinoco/breezy issue please ... pretty please?
[02:43] <nabucodor> you help me to install driver for mine dvb the SAA7146?
[02:43] <shanonx> Insidious: I really dont know what Im looking for.. I dont see anything that looks very different.
[02:43] <pinucset> sth for seeing a keyboard in my monitor? ive broken finger and i cant write ok...
[02:44] <garbageman> :(
[02:44] <chrisx> how do i send a file via scp ?
[02:45] <Ng> scp file user@hostname:/remote/path/
[02:45] <chrisx> ty
[02:45] <pinucset> sth for seeing a keyboard in my monitor? ive broken finger and i cant write ok...
[02:46] <EXE> Firefox won't start up, I've reinstalled and rebooted several times. It returns an error from "chrome://browser/content/broser.xul
[02:47] <EXE> Does anybody know how to fix it?
[02:47] <taga123> re install:)
[02:47] <taga123> re install:)
[02:47] <garbageman> try as root  sudo girefox
[02:48] <arkanes> EXE: using synaptic, do a "complete removal"
[02:48] <arkanes> You've got a corrupted theme/profile
[02:49] <EXE> "dpkg - warning: while removing firefox, directory '/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components' was not empty so not removed."
[02:49] <EXE> For all the folders, though.
[02:51] <dseomn> !tell me about flash
[02:52] <Tedd> Hey.
[02:52] <Tedd> Anybody around? I just need help installing a simple .bin.
[02:52] <Tedd> I try to extract but it says that there was an error.
[02:52] <Tedd> For any reference, it's Zend Studio.
[02:53] <pr4vst3r> WEP Issue: WEP On - No association, WEP off - associates fine. OS: Ubuntu 5.10, Dell D600, 2Wire [orinoco]  802.11, orinoco_cs 0.15rc3 driver.  Any ideas?
[02:53] <dseomn> Tedd: could you provide a link to the instructions you're following please?
[02:53] <Tedd> dseomn, there were none. I just downloaded the .tar.gz and tried to extract it.
[02:53] <dseomn> pr4vst3r: are you using wpa_supplicant, waproamd, or anything else to automatically connect?
[02:54] <Tedd> It wouldn't extract- gaveme an error..
[02:54] <Tedd> Should I try downloading again? It might be a corrupt file.
[02:54] <dseomn> what's the error?
[02:54] <sabmann> Tedd, what error? Tedd, you just said u where installing a .bin not a tar
[02:54] <pr4vst3r> no not using either.. should i be doing?
[02:54] <garbageman> @ jeremywhiting : can i rewirt the command in ln.... (ln -?)
[02:55] <dseomn> pr4vst3r: it doesn't matter, did you do "iwconfig <iface> key secret" before trying to associate?
[02:55] <Tedd> sabmann, sorry. I was trying to extract a .tar.gz. It gave me an error.
[02:55] <garbageman> in the epsxe.sh
[02:55] <Tedd> I think I got it now.
[02:55] <Tedd> It was just a corrupt file.
[02:55] <sabmann> ok
[02:55] <Tedd> Downloading again. Thanks.
[02:55] <[o] rkin> plz help, I'm given a registrtation ID for modem unit.  it tells me to go to linuxant but doesn't specirfy where I can enter my registration ID to get the license key
[02:56] <pinucset> sth for seeing a keyboard in my monitor? ive broken finger and i cant write ok...
[02:56] <pr4vst3r> dseomn; yep WEP key is assigned correctly , can see it in iwconfig output
[02:56] <kbrooks> how do i add a user?
[02:57] <Nikusan> I can't open a disc drive using the eject button on the drive, I have to choose eject from the disc icon's context menu... how do I fix this?
[02:57] <kbrooks> nm
[02:57] <dseomn> pr4vst3r: does wep work with any other computers?
[02:58] <chrisx> tyHey if i reinstsaall 5.04 how easy is it to upgrade to 5.10 through net?
[02:58] <pr4vst3r> dseomn: yes .. works with windows laptops fine ...
[02:58] <garbageman> system... user and gruops @kbrooks
[02:58] <dseomn> chrisx: it's easy, but it will take some time
[02:58] <kbrooks> nm
[02:58] <liam01> is it in hexidecimal mode pr4vst3r
[02:58] <garbageman> nm?
[02:58] <kbrooks> never mind
[02:59] <kbrooks> i figureed it out
[02:59] <garbageman> thx
[02:59] <chrisx> couase atm dseomn i cant find my disk for 5.10
[02:59] <[o] rkin> I have four extra!
[02:59] <liam01> pr4vst3r, choose hexidecimal mode in the options... because your key is probably using that
[02:59] <pr4vst3r> liam01: yep it sure is even assigned it an index of [1]  and then used iwconfig eth1 key [1] , then iwconfig eth1 key on and various other combinations
[02:59] <[o] rkin> sure they took 3 weeks to get here, but they arrived triumphantly
[03:00] <dseomn> chrisx: if you don't mind waiting while the stuff downloads and installs, there's not problem with installing 5.04 and upgrading
[03:00] <garbageman> terminal ... adduser
[03:00] <liam01> r u in 5.04 or 5.10?
[03:00] <dpupp> can someone telll me if this is correct?  dmesg | grep -i "SCSI device"
[03:00] <mrtwister> hello, i installed breezy-server. need kernel source
[03:00] <mrtwister> uname -a
[03:00] <mrtwister> Linux sawa.com 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:00] <chrisx> dseomn i have an average for 300kb/s downloads
[03:00] <mrtwister> when i installing kernel-source, i do not have such version
[03:00] <mrtwister> what i shall do?
[03:00] <shanonx> is there a certain setting in my gdm.conf that I should be looking for that causes my CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE not to work properly?
[03:01] <dseomn> chrisx: expect an hour or so
[03:01] <[o] rkin> plz help, I'm given a registrtation ID for modem unit.  it tells me to go to linuxant but doesn't specirfy where I can enter my registration ID to get the license key can anyone direct me to the right place?
[03:01] <dseomn> shanonx: it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:01] <dpupp> can someone telll me if this is properly formed? i cant seem to get any details back:  dmesg | grep -i "SCSI device"
[03:02] <pr4vst3r> liam01: 5.10
[03:02] <dseomn> dpupp: try dmesg | grep -i scsi
[03:02] <liam01> pr4vst3r, hmmm... not sure then, because in 5.04 i had to put " 0x" before the key
[03:03] <liam01> pr4vst3r, it should "just work" in 5.10
[03:03] <dpupp> dsomn, nothing.
[03:03] <dseomn> dpupp: what are you looking for?
[03:03] <pr4vst3r> liam01: I Wish!
[03:03] <floppyears> hi
[03:03] <dpupp> im trying to find out what device is my USB memory stick so i can mount it...
[03:03] <floppyears> how can I use tar
[03:03] <floppyears> to move my linux setup from /hdb2 to /hda7
[03:03] <kbrooks> floppyears, to do what? um
[03:04] <liam01> pr4vst3r, u sure youre using the right key from the router settings?  O.o
[03:04] <Lewix> does someone have a toshiba M45-169
[03:04] <dpupp> i was following a tutorial but im stuck at the part where it says to use dmesg | grep -i "SCSI device" ...that returns nothing at all.
[03:04] <kbrooks> that really isnt a suitable usage of tar
[03:04] <dseomn> dpupp: try "dmesg | tail -f 1" and then take the stick out and put it back in
[03:04] <floppyears> kbrooks: I want to move my linux setup from one partition to another by using tar
[03:04] <pr4vst3r> liam01: yep triple checked it .. even pasted it to file and copied it in to prevent any typos
[03:04] <floppyears> tar -cf /mnt/hdb7/ | tar -xp
[03:04] <y0m0mma> pr4vst3r .. are yu sure you got the computer turned on ? .. heh!
[03:04] <floppyears> but it's not working :(
[03:04] <kbrooks> floppyears, after you have "moved" the linux setup, you still have a lot to do
[03:05] <dpupp> dseomn, now the terminal is just at >
[03:05] <floppyears> kbrooks: I have used tar  before, but can't remember the specific command
[03:05] <kbrooks> floppyears, add -, and add - to the end of the pipe
[03:05] <liam01> well pr4vst3r afraid i have no idea -- havent head this b4
[03:05] <gimmulf_>  !crontab
[03:05] <ubotu> gimmulf_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:05] <liam01> hear*
[03:05] <pr4vst3r> liam01: thanks anyway
[03:05] <gimmulf_> how do i add something to crontab?
[03:05] <[o] rkin> does ubuntu have porn? they have to have something for me to look at while I'm waiting for it
[03:05] <dseomn> dpupp: oh sorry, I mean "dmesg | tail -f -n 1"
[03:06] <garbageman> cu
[03:06] <y0m0mma> what other files are there WEP related ../etc/networking/interfaces ..what else??? ..anyone ?
[03:06] <garbageman> have a lot of fun!!! :)
[03:06] <dseomn> [o] rkin: please keep it appropriate here
[03:06] <[o] rkin>  IE waiting for it to load
[03:06] <[o] rkin> becaus eit is being incredibly slow
[03:06] <dpupp> dseomn, i get: [4300011.292000]  atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known. tail: standard input: file truncated tail: standard input: cannot seek to offset 0: Illegal seek
[03:07] <chrisx> ffs why cant i find my 5.10 disk!
[03:07] <gimmulf_> anyone know how to add an schedule to crontab?
[03:07] <nifelseki> how do install ndiswrapper..?
[03:07] <floppyears> kbrooks: thanks it's working now :)
[03:08] <Johnson> how can i get into ubuntu verstion of task manager?
[03:08] <pr4vst3r> ps ax
[03:08] <shanonx> dseomn: I checked out my xorg.conf and its the same as right after a clean install.
[03:09] <dpupp> dseomn , oh wait, now  i can run dmesg | grep -i "SCSI device" and it brings back information...... what happened? what was that command for?
[03:09] <idiot> i have a 1.6ghz comp but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo it says 600mhz and its not the bios setting its a program capping it
[03:09] <idiot> i forget the program name its daemon or something
[03:09] <idiot> how can i remove it and get back my normal speed.
[03:09] <y0m0mma> Johnson  type: top
[03:09] <Johnson> can someone help me plz
[03:09] <Johnson> k
[03:09] <SirKillalot> can I get panels like that in gnome? http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gaim204fq.jpg
[03:09] <dseomn> dpupp: it was to find new dmesg output, but it looks like you got it anyway, grep and tail are just filters (in this case)
[03:10] <chrisx> dseomn if i install 5.04 can u help me upgrade please?
[03:10] <dseomn> shanonx: ok, I'm clueless then, sry
[03:10] <Johnson> but how do i stop a program in it?
[03:10] <dseomn> chrisx: it's on the website, but if you have questions, you can ask here
[03:10] <dpupp> thanks dseomn!
[03:10] <shanonx> dseomn: ok thanks for your help though.
[03:10] <chrisx> ok
[03:10] <y0m0mma> man top .. i think its 'K'
[03:10] <chrisx> ffs hate reinstall amma loose my stuff:@
[03:11] <chrisx> cya
[03:11] <dseomn> chrisx: wait
[03:11] <Johnson> how do i get into teh GUI verrsion of top?
[03:11] <chrisx> fuckin stupid ubuntu
[03:11] <spdl> hi ganag
[03:11] <chrisx> yer?
[03:11] <spdl> gang i mean hehe
[03:11] <dseomn> chrisx: you can use a different partition for /home and you won't lose your stuff
[03:11] <chrisx> umm
[03:11] <chrisx> how do i do that?
[03:11] <chrisx> how can i delete that partion after im on then?
[03:11] <pr4vst3r> Any wireless experts out there?
[03:12] <Johnson> can some one help me plz
[03:12] <dseomn> chrisx: in the partition editor in the installer, chose manual and make one for swap, one for /, and one for /home
[03:12] <kbrooks> floppyears,
[03:12] <kbrooks> floppyears, ping
[03:12] <chrisx> nm its k ill loose my stuff
[03:12] <kbrooks> floppyears, there?
[03:12] <kbrooks> floppyears, btw
[03:12] <chrisx> just a reason to bash my pc more =]
[03:12] <dseomn> ok
[03:12] <kbrooks> floppyears, explicit is better than implicit
[03:13] <chrisx> Cya... if i dont return then im back on windows..
[03:13] <Johnson> how do i close a program thoguth taski manager on ubuntu
[03:13] <floppyears> kbrooks: what ?
[03:13] <Tuntis> installing ubuntu ->>
[03:13] <kbrooks> floppyears, tar doesnt guess
[03:13] <gimmulf_> Not anyone know how do add something to crontab.hourly?
[03:13] <dpupp> anyone know what this means when trying to mount a USB memorystick?: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdh
[03:13] <dseomn> Johnson: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[03:13] <floppyears> kbrooks: what do you mean?
[03:13] <pr4vst3r> Johnson: on breezy: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[03:13] <Johnson> thanks
[03:14] <kbrooks> floppyears, explicit is better than implicit -- tar does not guess if you want to compress to stdin or not. without a "file" that can be written to, or read from, error
[03:14] <dseomn> dpupp: you need to use /dev/sdh1 or /dev/sdh5 or something
[03:14] <floppyears> kbrooks: yes, that's what I'm using. I have mounted them under two different directies within /mnt
[03:15] <dpupp> dseomn, is there a way i can find out for certain which is it?
[03:15] <dseomn> dpupp: are you using udev? (if you don't know what that is, then yes)
[03:16] <dpupp> no idea dseomn.
[03:16] <mherweg> hi everyone. I'd like to install java & flash for firefox on an amd64 system. do I need a 32bit firefox for that ?
[03:16] <Amaranth> Yes.
[03:16] <dseomn> dpupp: ok, use shell completion, only one partition (sdh*) should exist
[03:17] <thoron> So is Ubuntu AMD64 port in better shape than Debian AMD64?
[03:17] <Amaranth> thoron: *shrug*
[03:17] <dpupp> dseomn *huh?* im sorry i dont seem to understand your request.  I want to run bugzilla, apache, svn, gnu arch and so on as a server.
[03:18] <dpupp> sdh, sdh1
[03:18] <YukiIkyuta> Ng, though a 32-bit chroot fixes these problems.
[03:18] <dpupp> :) *takes note*
[03:18] <dseomn> dpupp: then it's sdh1 ;>
[03:19] <Ng> YukiIkyuta: definitely, but it's hardly a pleasant solution ;)
[03:19] <Ng> YukiIkyuta: I gave up on the 64bit/32bit combo after a few months ;)
[03:19] <YukiIkyuta> Ng, when set up, you don't even really notice it. ^^
[03:19] <YukiIkyuta> Really?
[03:19] <Ng> thoron: that'll be fine
[03:19] <dpupp> yatta! it worked!
[03:19] <YukiIkyuta> I'm using it now, and it seems to be all OK.
[03:20] <dpupp> thanks dseomn! *saves a log of conversation for future refference.*
[03:20] <dseomn> no prob
[03:20] <Ng> YukiIkyuta: there wasn't anything really wrong with it, I just came to the conclusion I wasn't really gaining anything over just running a 32bit install ;)
[03:20] <Ng> YukiIkyuta: I'm getting lazy in my old age ;)
[03:20] <YukiIkyuta> Ah :)
[03:20] <YukiIkyuta> I'm using the 64-bits in programming and such (admittedly not much, but still here and there).
[03:21] <Ng> I'd prefer to be taking full advantage of my hardware and will do when java/flash/codecs catch up :)
[03:22] <YukiIkyuta> ^^
[03:22] <dseomn> has anybody gotten sound with flash to work on dapper?
[03:22] <dseomn> *flash with sound
[03:23] <mherweg> Ng: how did u install a 32bit firefox on a 64bit system ?
[03:23] <bSON> does ubuntu havebuilt-in  mp3 support?
[03:23] <ph3r> no
[03:24] <Ng> mherweg: I used a 32bit chroot, but you could probably just download a firefox 1.5 tarball and install it anyway, you'd need to check the ia32-libs for stdc++5
[03:24] <bix> exit
[03:24] <dseomn> bSON: you just have to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:24] <bSON> on which repository?
[03:25] <dseomn> multiverse or universe, I don't remember
[03:25] <YukiIkyuta> mherweg, consider; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[03:25] <mherweg> tahnks
[03:29] <maxx_730> Hi all
[03:30] <YukiIkyuta> Hiya.
[03:30] <maxx_730> I've got a problem
[03:30] <maxx_730> My sound works in Ubuntu (and practically every Linux distribution) but not in Kubuntu or Xubuntu
[03:30] <maxx_730> Anyone got an idea?
[03:30] <docta_v> are you using the same driver?
[03:31] <wdh> maxx_730, i think you should also try #kubuntu then.. there is a lot more kde specific help available there :)
[03:31] <maxx_730> wdh: I tried #kubuntu first, but there was practically noone there
[03:32] <maxx_730> docta_v: How do i see? lsmod?
[03:32] <HymnToLife> hi all :)
[03:32] <I_Eat_Plastic> Does synaptic filter 64bit packages automaticly for 64bit users?
[03:33] <docta_v> maxx_730, yea lsmod
[03:34] <learnfromscratch> when i do make xconfig .. i am prompted to install QT .. can some one tell me  what is the exact package name of QT .. so that i can install .. apt-cache and apt-file report too many number of packages for me to pick up..
[03:35] <supaiku> I'm having a wierd problem with firefox and the internet. For the most part the internet works fine and I can access some pages just fine but I can't access some for no apparent reason (google for instance, while I can access ocforums.com and newgg) Anyone have any ideas?
[03:35] <supaiku> I also can't login to gaim
[03:37] <mrtwister> hello. how to get sources for breezy. strange thing, i do not have up2date sources in repository!
[03:37] <mrtwister> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.12-9-386 kernel installed.
[03:37] <dooglus> learnfromscratch: you can make gconfig for the GTK version or menuconfig for a console version.  no point installing Qt just for that.
[03:37] <HymnToLife> mrtwister > than you can install them through synaptic
[03:37] <cas> hi, evolution keeps on crashing on some spam emails i receive. Are there some remedies to delete mails (or my h
[03:38] <cas> whole trash) manually?
[03:38] <bshumate>     supaiku:  sounds like your Internet provider may be having DNS issues.  if you know how to add a DNS server manually to your network setup, you may want to try adding <IP_ADDRESS> as a DNS server entry and see if all sites work again
[03:39] <mrtwister> HymnToLife: no, i have server install and not have correct kernel-source
[03:39] <supaiku> I'll try it, thanks
[03:39] <michael> newbie here ...i need help installing my wlan
[03:39] <HymnToLife> mrtwister > if you have only the command line, apt-get hould do the trick
[03:40] <jeenyusnoboarder> hey i have a quick question, how do i turn the synaptic package manager back to basic mode? lol
[03:40] <mrtwister> HymnToLife: again - no corrrect version in repository
[03:40] <dooglus> mrtwister: install package "linux-source-2.6.12" for the kernel source
[03:40] <HymnToLife> mrtwister > which kernel version do you run ?
[03:40] <[o] rkin> so anybody here know anything about finding the location of the linuxantpage that I enter the registration id I was given to get my license key (FREE)
[03:40] <[o] rkin> ?
[03:40] <dooglus> mrtwister: the kernel is called 'linux', not 'kernel' remember...
[03:40] <mrtwister> dooglus: thank you but why not kernel-source-2.6.12, as usual ?
[03:41] <YukiIkyuta> [o] rkin, what are you talking about? o_O
[03:41] <mrtwister> dooglus: working, thank you!
[03:41] <jeenyusnoboarder> rofl theres no way is there
[03:41] <HymnToLife> [o] rkin > http://www.inuxant.org probably
[03:41] <dooglus> mrtwister: I think they stopped calling the kernel 'kernel' and started calling it 'linux' some time around breezy's release.  not sure, maybe earlier.
[03:41] <jeenyusnoboarder> to switch it back to basic mode
[03:41] <digits> Hello, I have a slight problem with Evolution. I can't get it to show my Inbox, it's IMAP (and it works with squirrelmail, thunderbird and Opera mail)... any clues?
[03:41] <YukiIkyuta> jeenyusnoboarder, what do you mean, `basic'?
[03:41] <jeenyusnoboarder> well i went and hit advanced mode by accadent
[03:41] <[o] rkin> I knoiw thats wher i went to get th linux driver for my conexant modem
[03:42] <[o] rkin> and the deb was installing fine
[03:42] <jeenyusnoboarder> i wana put it back into the origional mode
[03:42] <jeenyusnoboarder> and i dont see anthing
[03:42] <[o] rkin> and then it says i have to go back to the sitye and use a registration id it gives me to obtain a license key
[03:43] <[o] rkin> it directed me to linuxant.org but I don't know where to go from there
[03:43] <YukiIkyuta> Registration ID for a .deb?
[03:43] <YukiIkyuta> Doesn't sound right.
[03:43] <HymnToLife> if I remember well, linuant drivers are not free
[03:43] <[o] rkin> is there a way for m e to find out what port my modem is on
[03:44] <[o] rkin> so I can just manually install it or something\
[03:44] <HymnToLife> try wvdialconf
[03:44] <[o] rkin> it wont let me continue unless
[03:44] <jeenyusnoboarder> guess no then? too bad
[03:44] <dooglus> jeenyusnoboarder: how did you switch from basic to advanced in synaptic?
[03:44] <[o] rkin> II get this key
[03:44] <jeenyusnoboarder> oh
[03:44] <jeenyusnoboarder> haha
[03:44] <jeenyusnoboarder> i i clicked a button
[03:44] <jeenyusnoboarder> that said "advanced mode"
[03:44] <jeenyusnoboarder> and it changed the interface
[03:44] <dooglus> jeenyusnoboarder: I'm not sure synaptic has an advanced mode. I don't see anything like that.
[03:45] <supaiku> bshumate, that seems to have worked (perhaps in conjunction with removing <IP_ADDRESS> as a DNS) - thanks:D
[03:45] <jeenyusnoboarder> yours may allready be in the mode im in
[03:45] <learnfromscratch> i am using ntfs in windows and reading those from linux.. will this lead to any problems ?? will my hard disk get damaged??
[03:45] <jeenyusnoboarder> is there a defaults button anywhere around here?
[03:45] <jeenyusnoboarder> or can i uninstall this and reinstall it
[03:45] <jeenyusnoboarder> i want the origional interface i had
[03:45] <YukiIkyuta> learnfromscratch, it'll be fine! ^_^
[03:45] <Siph0n> !wine
[03:45] <dooglus> jeenyusnoboarder: how has the interface changed?  what's different now?
[03:45] <jeenyusnoboarder> well before it was 2 frames
[03:46] <HymnToLife> jeenyusnoboarder > I can't find any "Advanced" button in synaptic :/
[03:46] <jeenyusnoboarder> and i could select the packages to install
[03:46] <jeenyusnoboarder> and hit apply
[03:46] <dooglus> learnfromscratch: reading ntfs in linux is perfectly safe.  writing it is more scary.
[03:46] <jeenyusnoboarder> now its 3 panes
[03:46] <dooglus> jeenyusnoboarder: oh.
[03:46] <[o] rkin> I demands full access to my modem at full speeds for no cost I already payed for it, where do I enter this registration ID?
[03:46] <jeenyusnoboarder> and when i select the package it gives me all the libs and crapola
[03:46] <n00blar> morning everyone, quick question...is there a gui based program like minicom? I mainly use minicom to configure my routers and switches and I was wondering if there's a gui based application like minicom.
[03:46] <HymnToLife> learnfromscratch > no it won't
[03:46] <YukiIkyuta> [o] rkin, demanding won't help you - we're not asking for the money here.
[03:46] <HymnToLife> but you'd better not try to write on it
[03:47] <[o] rkin> I'm not demanding anything of you
[03:47] <YukiIkyuta> [o] rkin, well, you said `I demands'.. now, let's see. What type of modem have you got?
[03:47] <jeenyusnoboarder> yes ive looked allll around and i dont see anything to switch it back
[03:47] <jeenyusnoboarder> im not even sure if its possible
[03:48] <[o] rkin> I just don't understand why I can't get this linux to detect my modem, and why I have to put in this stupid key to continue full installation of the drivers
[03:48] <[o] rkin> conexant
[03:48] <Zukero> hi
[03:48] <Zukero> hi have a problem restoring grub
[03:48] <Zukero> -h
[03:48] <jeenyusnoboarder> hey
[03:48] <[o] rkin> i already went And downloaded the correct driver, and began to install it but now it's asking me for a key
[03:48] <jeenyusnoboarder> you wana go into console
[03:49] <jeenyusnoboarder> zukero
[03:49] <Zukero> nope
[03:49] <Zukero> i am in the rescue console
[03:49] <jeenyusnoboarder> ok
[03:49] <jeenyusnoboarder> type
[03:49] <Zukero> but
[03:49] <jeenyusnoboarder> "grub"
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> oh?
[03:49] <YukiIkyuta> [o] rkin, where did you retrieve the driver?
[03:49] <[o] rkin> linuxant.org
[03:49] <jeenyusnoboarder> but what
[03:49] <Zukero>  /bin/sh: grub: command not found
[03:49] <jeenyusnoboarder> then
[03:49] <jeenyusnoboarder> grub-install /dev/hda
[03:50] <Zukero> idem
[03:50] <Zukero> in fact
[03:50] <Zukero> i didn't reinstalled windwos
[03:50] <Zukero> i installed another bootloader
[03:50] <jeenyusnoboarder> what one
[03:50] <jeenyusnoboarder> lilo?
[03:50] <Zukero> VCom system commander
[03:50] <YukiIkyuta> [o] rkin, from what I can see, it's Conexant's choice to make you pay for it. I'll search for a replacement.
[03:50] <Zukero> a graphical one
[03:50] <jeenyusnoboarder> lol k
[03:51] <jeenyusnoboarder> then you wana format the mbr
[03:51] <Zukero> and i think it borked my partition table
[03:51] <Zukero> well
[03:51] <Zukero> not really
[03:51] <Zukero> i want to keep system commander
[03:51] <Zukero> reinstall grub
[03:51] <[o] rkin> there's no way I can get around it? there aren't any other drivers that will do just as welll
[03:51] <jeenyusnoboarder> cant help you then, im not familliar with it
[03:51] <Zukero> and then reboot
[03:51] <HymnToLife> YukiIkyuta > not exactly
[03:51] <Zukero> well
[03:52] <HymnToLife> the ompany that makes the linu drivers (linuxant) is totally different from Conexant
[03:52] <Zukero> if i get rid of system commander, it's not that much of a problem
[03:52] <Zukero> format the mbr is allright
[03:52] <Zukero> i don't know how
[03:52] <YukiIkyuta> [o] rkin, unfortunately, there's no speed-unlimited driver, so I see.
[03:53] <YukiIkyuta> [o] rkin, that's a limitation of an internal WinModem.
[03:53] <Zukero> and rescue mode can't mount my partitions
[03:53] <YukiIkyuta> [o] rkin, see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WinModemConexantHSF
[03:55] <Zukero> jeenyusnoboarder
[03:56] <jeenyusnoboarder> yea
[03:56] <Zukero> how can I formatr the mbr
[03:56] <jeenyusnoboarder> well
[03:56] <jeenyusnoboarder> grub isntall will auto do it
[03:57] <Zukero> hmm
[03:57] <jeenyusnoboarder> i would drop the gui thingy you got now
[03:57] <jeenyusnoboarder> and just use grub
[03:57] <Zukero> yeah
[03:57] <Zukero> but
[03:57] <Zukero> grub-install isn't found in my rescue shell
[03:58] <Zukero> and i can't mount my linux partition in the "enter in rescue mode" page
[03:59] <jeenyusnoboarder> well
[03:59] <HymnToLife> Zukero > try booting from a live CD
[03:59] <jeenyusnoboarder> yea boot off live cd
[03:59] <Zukero> k
[03:59] <Zukero> then ?
[04:01] <jeenyusnoboarder> grub-install /dev/hda
[04:02] <HymnToLife> Zukero > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RecoveringGrub
[04:03] <iustin> i`ve searched many pages on the internet but i couldn`t find what`s the command for mounting my partitions so all the users can see them ... plz a help!!
[04:03] <iustin> better would be automounting
[04:03] <iustin> for all users
[04:03] <HymnToLife> which filetype it is ?
[04:03] <iustin> ntfs
[04:03] <HymnToLife> filesystem*
[04:03] <iustin> i want only read
[04:03] <HymnToLife> ok
[04:04] <Eghie_Work> Woei, we have made a samba-ldap PDC setup script :D
[04:04] <HymnToLife> remember that you can't write on a ntfs partition
[04:04] <iustin> i know...
[04:04] <iustin> although there is a project
[04:04] <HymnToLife> is it in your /etc/fstab file ?
[04:04] <iustin> yes
[04:04] <iustin> i type : sudo mount -l
[04:04] <Shinjan> hi folks
[04:05] <iustin> or sudo gedit fstab
[04:05] <HymnToLife> then you certainly have "defaults" a mount options, right ?
[04:05] <HymnToLife> as*
[04:05] <iustin> yes
[04:05] <iustin> i see some default
[04:05] <HymnToLife> ok
[04:05] <iustin> let me type again
[04:05] <HymnToLife> so replace defaults with this :
[04:05] <Dr_Acemaster> I can't get my wireless connection to get an ip, how do I connect?
[04:05] <HymnToLife> ro,user,auto,gid=100,nls=utf8,umask=002
[04:06] <Amaranth> !wireless
[04:06] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:06] <Amaranth> hrm
[04:06] <floppyears> hi
[04:06] <Dr_Acemaster> Amaranth I had my wireless card working
[04:07] <Dr_Acemaster> but now I can't get it to connect
[04:07] <floppyears> I had to reinstalled windows in my dual boot system
[04:07] <floppyears> how do I rerun grub so that it occupies the mbr again ?
[04:07] <HymnToLife> and GRUB disappeared
[04:07] <tristan> Dr_Acemaster : do you have DHCP enabled and the connnection activated?
[04:07] <Amaranth> !grub
[04:07] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:07] <Dr_Acemaster> tristan how do I activate the connection?
[04:07] <hmpedersen> Hi..
[04:07] <floppyears> Amaranth: thanks
[04:07] <HymnToLife> lmao
[04:08] <HymnToLife> THAT is a useful bot
[04:08] <tristan> Dr_Acemaster : system - administration - network
[04:08] <iustin> what does this mean?: /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:08] <iustin> in fstab
[04:08] <Amaranth> HymnToLife: You can usually just guess at something and someone has something in there for it.
[04:08] <Dr_Acemaster> tristan sorry brain fart there for a sec, yet it is active