[01:40] <Shadow__X> mycosys: sorry for taking so long to get back to you but i did move the cables. I can see the refresh scan go up the tv much like when you try to video tape a crt monitor
[01:45] <Shadow__X> this was talking about thecomputer hooked up to a hdtv through componenet
[02:26] <mycosys> np Shadow__X - i knew what you were talking about - most likely cause is interference as i said - but try adding somehting like this to your ~/.xsessionrc
[02:26] <mycosys> nvidia-settings -a GPUOverclockingState=1 -a [gpu:0]/GPUPowerMizerMode=1 -a [gpu:0]/TVFlickerFilter=1 -a [gpu:0]/TVOverScan=66
[02:26] <mycosys> they are a few tweaks for flicker free analog display on nvidia cards
[02:33] <Shadow__X> hmm its actually running windows right now because i was having such issues with overscan on linux that i had to give up
[04:01] <fluvvell> Does mythtv still have the capability to archive or burn a dvd? I seem to recall there may be a problem with transcoding?  I'm trying to get the cutlist to remove adverts.
[04:55] <fluvvell> I'm running 24.0.1 +fixes etc
[07:10] <dekarl> hmm, the newest packages from the natty 0.25 ppa appear to be from 2011-11-21 with the build failing due to missing x264? Or is is just me reading the logs wrong?
[08:16] <superm1> dekarl: i believe you are correct
[08:16] <superm1> iamlindoro requested some build flags to be included
[08:18] <superm1> dekarl: actually i tried to fix this on the 24th, and I see where the problem with the fix is
[08:19] <superm1> dekarl: i've pushed the correct fix in r467 of mythtv-master bzr
[09:19] <dekarl> superm1: thanks, I'll check it tonight/tomorrow (UTC+1)
[18:25] <FabriceMG> superm1, you are there?
[18:25] <FabriceMG> the ppa Mythbuntu 0.25 is down , the last good compilation is 0.25.20111116
[18:36] <superm1> FabriceMG: yeah you missed some backtrace about the fix going in early this morning
[18:37] <superm1> tonight's builds should hopefully be resolved
[19:13] <FabriceMG> thx superm1


[00:14] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[01:24] <ahoneybun> lordievader, you on?
[06:11] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Pong. I'm now for a bit.
[06:44]  * jussi waves to lordievader
[06:44]  * lordievader waves back to jussi
[07:51] <soee> good morning
[07:52] <soee> somone up to verify one thing ?
[07:59] <jussi> soee: what do you need?
[08:00] <soee> jussi: are you now on 14.04 ? :)
[08:01] <jussi> on the personal pc, yest
[08:02] <soee> i have strange issue second time last days, it looks like some updates breaks oxygen stlye for application, so the window decoration are fine but the application body uses CDE style somehow and oxygen is missing on the list
[08:05] <jussi> soee: urgh. my themes/styles are so mesed up/customized I probably wont be much use to you
[08:05] <jussi> soee: have you verified nothing got held back etc? (checked that kubuntu-desktop is installed)
[08:24] <soee> jussi: the reason was kubuntu updates ppa for trusty
[08:24] <soee> i purget it updates, removed it and all works fine
[08:24] <jussi> heh
[09:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: great, but "I only have half the head on purpose" how come?
[10:08] <soee> ahoneybun, Riddell if you need help with this banner i can ask my friend
[10:08] <soee> he know all about this :)
[10:08] <soee> *knows
[10:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: how would I go about getting something synced from debian at this point? FFe request + sync request? (https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/libepoxy)
[10:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[10:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: if it has got new features yes, else just sync request
[10:33] <apachelogger> kthx
[10:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's a new lib
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: then yes, FFe and sync request can be same bug report
[10:43] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1274219] can't resize maximised windows / kubuntu @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1274219 (by SA)
[10:52] <Quintasan> \o
[11:00] <Riddell> morning Quintasan!
[11:18] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1287133
[11:19] <apachelogger> FWIW requestsync actually has a FFe switch :)
[11:29] <Riddell> oh good to know
[11:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 1287133 approved, are you able to sync or do you need me to do it?
[11:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll do it, thanks
[11:36] <Riddell> yofel: I'm adding kf5 support to kubuntu-automation
[11:37] <yofel> Riddell: k, I didn't get to it, sorry
[11:41] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1286561] kcmshell4 filetypes suddenly starts crashing @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1286561 (by andschuster)
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1285707 did that ever work?
[11:42] <apachelogger> I did not find any logic for that at all
[11:42] <apachelogger> oh
[11:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: found it
[11:43] <apachelogger> #apacheloggerfail
[11:46] <Riddell> yeah it used to
[11:46] <apachelogger> didn't replicate the logic when dropping the favorites patch
[11:46] <Riddell> mm
[11:51] <apachelogger> oh there's new api
[11:51] <apachelogger> what a drag, could have repliacted the patch much easier
[11:55] <Riddell> plasma-netbook gets changes?
[12:03] <apachelogger> something wrong with tomahawk
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: the general scripting api did
[12:03] <apachelogger> might have been a while ago though, it's not like we write scripts every cycle ^^
[12:04] <apachelogger> syncpackage: Request succeeded; you should get an e-mail once it is processed.
[12:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you need to approve something on the archive side?
[12:05] <apachelogger> been waiting for that email for like half an hour
[12:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm i'll check new
[12:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah it's in new
[12:05] <apachelogger> k
[12:05]  * Riddell accepts
[12:05] <apachelogger> thx
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a netbook install at hand?
[12:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: I could get one
[12:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: the changes I am doing will need some verifiction
[12:29] <Riddell> virtualbox also likes to use netbook screen size for some reason
[12:29] <apachelogger> rather excessive, but much more reliable
[12:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, never had that ^^
[12:30] <Riddell> got my netbook here, let me know what I need to test
[12:30] <apachelogger> actually, I am not sure how to test it ^^
[12:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: might just as well wait for tomorrows image
[12:30] <apachelogger> closer verification anyway
[12:33] <sgclark> Riddell: any idea when the new frameworks will be up?
[12:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1285707 fix uploaded, needs verifiction of all possible setups though as the entire creation logic changed
[12:36] <Riddell> sgclark: it's on depot now but I'm working on automating it as much as possible
[12:36] <Riddell> apachelogger++
[12:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there is something very wrong with tomahawk
[12:36] <apachelogger> (other than the fact that the package contains headers :S)
[12:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh?
[12:39] <ahoneybun> Riddell, I copy the one half so I need to get that side right first
[12:44] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I don't understand, why chop if off in the middle?
[12:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you guys even test it?
[12:45] <ahoneybun> I made a mirror image
[12:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's installing plugins as multiarch, even though it is not capable of handling multiarch for plugins
[12:46] <ahoneybun> Riddell, http://imgur.com/PQZzYF5
[12:46] <apachelogger> I am not quite sure why it does that though
[12:47] <shadeslayer> I am unsure if I tested it :S
[12:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh that's nicer :)
[12:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1287163
[12:50] <apachelogger> epic screw up that is
[12:50] <apachelogger> also it crashes on first start, might be related, might not, haven't looked into that yet
[12:50] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: Riddell says ooh that's nicer :P
[12:51] <ahoneybun> lol
[12:51] <apachelogger> Riddell, ahoneybun: FWIW that thar looks like the symbol of some cult
[12:51] <apachelogger> very creepy
[12:51] <ahoneybun> that is true a bit
[12:51] <ahoneybun> but that is tahr
[12:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: google form test case writing later?
[12:53] <apachelogger> Timeout error
[12:53] <apachelogger> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[12:54] <apachelogger> I do wonder how much time of my life was spent waiting for launchpad to time out
[12:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1285705 -> http://i.imgur.com/n6Ps8tZ.png
[12:56] <apachelogger> the themeness is indeed a bit silly,but I don't get an error
[12:56] <apachelogger> equally silly is that you cannot close the window through the window decoration ^^
[12:56] <apachelogger> agateau: ^ opinions?
[12:57] <apachelogger> maybe we should simply create a qwebview inside ubiquity?
[12:57]  * agateau reads
[12:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Riddell: bug 1273413 ... why is that our bug?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure @ test case writing
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I forgot to to untag
[12:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ok, will poke you later, around 5?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> but it's a upower bug
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure
[12:58] <apachelogger> k
[12:58]  * apachelogger untags bug
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: already done
[12:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: because we're the only ones who care about it?
[12:59] <agateau> apachelogger: embedding the page would be cleaner, as long as it does not provide too much links to follow (in which case a real browser with back/forward buttons would be better)
[13:00] <agateau> apachelogger: but it's quite late to introduce that now, right?
[13:00] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:00] <apachelogger> agateau: not that late :P
[13:00] <agateau> apachelogger: regarding the close button, that's my ubiquity-specific kwinrc file :/ I assume it can be tuned to only affect the Ubiquity window?
[13:01] <apachelogger> agateau: yeah, that'd work
[13:01] <apachelogger> we can also try to make firefox work
[13:01] <agateau> what do you mean with "make firefox work"? the theme?
[13:01] <apachelogger> aye
[13:01] <apachelogger> although
[13:02] <apachelogger> agateau: we do need to load qwebview so perhaps a simple builtin browser (with back button and home button) would be more suitable either way
[13:02] <agateau> I can look into showing the release notes in the window, but does the current installer really points to kubuntu.org/news?
[13:02] <apachelogger> links on the release page are usually limited to additional information pages (kde release pages, blog posts, bug reports)
[13:03] <apachelogger> agateau: yeah, not sure why
[13:03] <agateau> that's useless IMO
[13:03] <apachelogger> yes
[13:03] <apachelogger> might be because the final url doesn't exist yet ^^
[13:03] <apachelogger> anyway, I vote for simply qwebview wiht forward and home button buit into ubiquity
[13:04] <apachelogger> saves RAMz and avoids us having to continusily fiddle with themeing
[13:04] <xnox> apachelogger: the point of opening external browser, is that user should be able to continue installation and read notes in the other window....
[13:04] <apachelogger> xnox: ah
[13:04] <xnox> apachelogger: specifically under "try ubuntu" installation as well....
[13:04] <agateau> xnox: good point
[13:04] <apachelogger> agateau: we'll need to figure out theming ^^
[13:04] <agateau> \o/
[13:05] <shadeslayer> haha
[13:05] <xnox> apachelogger: and there are wrappers to drop priviledges before launching external urls.
[13:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: UbuntuUnityHack.cpp
[13:05] <xnox> apachelogger: i guess it is simply not applied / hooked up.
[13:05] <shadeslayer> even better "This file is part of Clementine."
[13:05] <shadeslayer> xD
[13:05] <apachelogger> that might well be
[13:05] <apachelogger> agateau: ^
[13:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[13:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 988991 ... we don't use debconf-kde
[13:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tomahawk/src/UbuntuUnityHack.cpp :P
[13:06] <apachelogger> ah yes
[13:06] <apachelogger> I do recall debugging something with the tomahawk tray icon
[13:06] <apachelogger> I think the problem is something to do with sni-qt and how unity works
[13:06] <agateau> I do recall breaking clementine tray icon with sni-qt :)
[13:06] <apachelogger> obscure issues as always :/
[13:07] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7027377/
[13:07] <apachelogger> oh la la
[13:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm curious to remember what happens instead
[13:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw want to figure out why my stupid kconf_update script doesn't work
[13:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that hack looks very scary
[13:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: libdebconf-kde, completely differnt thing written in c++
[13:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where is that lsb-release code from?
[13:08] <apachelogger> muon then instructs debconf to write to a pipe created by libdebconf-kde and thusly gets c++ interfaces ot debconf or some such magic
[13:08] <apachelogger> very fancy anyway, so we don't really care about the perl debconf-kde
[13:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the hack
[13:09] <apachelogger> or at least the version of the hack I am looking at
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: grep -iR lsb-release src/UbuntuUnityHack.*  gives me nothing
[13:09] <apachelogger> so I guess tomahawk has made the hack less shitty
[13:10] <shadeslayer> dunno, this is 0.7.9
[13:10] <shadeslayer> erm
[13:10] <shadeslayer> 0.7.9
[13:10] <shadeslayer> argggggjhhhhhhhhhhhhsedfs
[13:10] <shadeslayer> 0.7.0
[13:10] <apachelogger> <- looking at clementine
[13:10] <shadeslayer> can't type for shit
[13:10] <shadeslayer> ah I see
[13:10] <apachelogger> me neither
[13:10] <apachelogger> it's all the coffee
[13:10] <shadeslayer> I haven't had any :'(
[13:10] <shadeslayer> possibly that's why
[13:10] <apachelogger> that sounds wrong
[13:11] <shadeslayer> also, I'm hungry and waiting for my pizza
[13:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: untagged bug
[13:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do I get pizza as well?
[13:11] <apachelogger> me hungry QQ
[13:11] <shadeslayer> sure, are you within walking distance?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> come over the office and you can have some
[13:12] <apachelogger> no time for walking
[13:12] <apachelogger> too much bugz
[13:13] <apachelogger> does anyone get what he means bug 1284042
[13:14] <apachelogger> ah, I think he wants that the KCM does not quit up until the installation is done
[13:14]  * apachelogger is not sure that even is possible
[13:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how long do you think test case writing will take?
[13:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no clue, at the very least an hour
[13:15] <apachelogger> probably more like 2
[13:15] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:15] <apachelogger> entirely depends on how fast you can copy and paste and click
[13:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd go with 2
[13:16] <shadeslayer> k
[13:16] <apachelogger> if there's time left one can always do the test cases ^^
[13:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can I move this https://trello.com/c/IT3ctExJ to done?
[13:18]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[13:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[13:19] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[13:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: knh calls kcmshell4 for driver-manager?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:19] <apachelogger> hm
[13:19] <apachelogger> I wonder if we should change that
[13:20] <apachelogger> BECAUSE that dude with the click bug has a point
[13:20] <apachelogger> technically there is no apply and close action with driver-manager
[13:20] <apachelogger> because the apply is async
[13:21] <apachelogger> alas, I think kcmshell4 doesn't give a rats ass what buttons the KCM wants shown, so it always displays ok which is a bit meh
[13:22] <apachelogger> OTOH
[13:22] <apachelogger> this is all a bit terrible
[13:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mark wontfix
[13:23] <apachelogger> if someone else complains we can always look into a solution, but really, ok should not be blocking, in fact you cannot really because you'd then block the event loop
[13:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: didn't you fix bug 1282461 and bug 1282080
[13:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you on top of bug 953342
[13:26] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: bug 1257675
[13:27] <sgclark> Riddell: please let me know if there is anything I can do
[13:27] <Riddell> sgclark: I should be able to throw them up into the ppa soon then there will be lots of fix as they break
[13:28] <sgclark> Riddell: ok :)
[13:33] <BluesKaj> purged the canonical-qt5-edgers ppa amonst others, Was having probs with browser and dialog fonts showing up as small blocks, so rather than isolate the cause I took the shotgun approach and ppa-purged 3 ppas ...it worked :)
[13:34] <BluesKaj> amongst*
[13:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fix commited
[13:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wtf wtf wtf
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: TomahawkAddPlugin.cmake has     # add qt modules
[13:48] <shadeslayer>     qt5_use_modules(${target} Core Network Widgets Sql Xml DBus)
[13:48] <shadeslayer> how did this compile in the first place o_o
[13:49] <Riddell> grr, how to add -sa to bzr-buildpackage-ppa ?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pass -- -sa
[13:49] <shadeslayer> I think ...
[13:50] <shadeslayer> if that doesn't work, modify the script :)_
[13:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: genius
[13:50] <shadeslayer> \o/
[13:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw we'll have kwalletmanager in source new once 4.12.3 releases
[13:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you think it's a good idea to save history there?
[13:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't understand, what's changing?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: source renamed
[13:53] <shadeslayer> see kde-packagers
[13:53] <shadeslayer> was announced eons ago
[13:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it usually is worth preserving history
[13:54] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: phonon does the same thing :P
[14:04] <apachelogger> i.e. there's a compat macro that is used for qt4 builds
[14:04] <apachelogger> avoids pointless ifs all over the place
[14:04] <shadeslayer> much confusing
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and turns out the entire file has changed in master
[14:05] <apachelogger> that happens
[14:05] <Riddell> sgclark: there's a load uploaded, you can see how they get on starting with attica
[14:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is the drivermanager reset bug fixed yet?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, I don't have a proper fix for it
[14:05] <sgclark> Riddell: ok ty
[14:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7027598/
[14:06] <apachelogger> wth?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's a hack that me and d_ed came up with
[14:07] <apachelogger> what for?
[14:07] <apachelogger> or why
[14:07] <shadeslayer> for the reloading thing where it shows things twice
[14:07] <apachelogger> yeah, just clean the stuff before reloading?
[14:09] <shadeslayer> IIRC that led to issues that I can't recall at the moment
[14:09] <apachelogger> because #badstructure
[14:09] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:09] <shadeslayer> patches welcome
[14:09] <apachelogger> void Module::finished()
[14:09] <apachelogger> that slot litterally says the module is finished
[14:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: refresh is broken
[14:17] <shadeslayer> wat
[14:17] <apachelogger> refresh is broken
[14:17] <apachelogger> it doesnt do anything
[14:17] <apachelogger> well it displays an infinite load animation
[14:17]  * shadeslayer checks
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is m_refresh used for?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: passed as an argument to backend, when true ( when you hit the refresh driver list button ) it'll compute drivers from scratch
[14:21] <shadeslayer> when not ( for eg, when you exit the KCM and enter it again ) , it'll get the cached drivers
[14:22] <shadeslayer> so 2nd starts of the KCM are way way faster than the first start
[14:22] <apachelogger> and that's a usecase Oo
[14:22]  * shadeslayer is not working on driver manager today
[14:22] <shadeslayer> will have a look tomorrow
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I don't get this at all
[14:23] <apachelogger> why would you want !cached when refresh and cached when starting?
[14:23] <apachelogger> that ultimately makes refresh a button that you must click as the information will be outdated
[14:24] <apachelogger> either it always returns cached results if it has them or it never does
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the refresh button is for when you plugin new hardware while the kcm is already open
[14:29] <Riddell> sgclark: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ now has new link for "KF5 experimental PPA build status"
[14:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: right
[14:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so if I close the kcm, plug in hardware, open the kcm
[14:29] <apachelogger> I still have to click the button
[14:30] <shadeslayer> depends on how long that toom
[14:30] <shadeslayer> *took
[14:30] <shadeslayer> re-opening the KCM that is
[14:30] <apachelogger> that's what I meant when I said that maybe-caching makes the button a must click
[14:32] <Riddell> sgclark: what I've done is rename the lib packages to be libfoo5
[14:32] <Riddell> sgclark: but I seem to have failed to rename the debug in debian/rules foo
[14:34] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[14:34] <Riddell> sgclark: so I'll do a second mass upload :)
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there's also something fishy with the signal connection to the dbus thing
[14:37] <apachelogger> when you connect right after creation of the itnerface the connection will not work
[14:37] <apachelogger> if you connect a second time suddenly both start working
[14:37] <apachelogger> most peculiar
[14:38] <shadeslayer> to the bustle
[14:38]  * shadeslayer rages at tomahawk
[14:47]  * apachelogger rolls eyes a bit
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I sort of have a fix
[14:54] <shadeslayer> for?
[14:54] <apachelogger> but this needs refactoring
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: reset
[14:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you have ui and logic all mushed together
[14:55] <shadeslayer> I know it needs refactoring, need some guidance on that tbh
[14:55] <shadeslayer> it's getting very weird to make modifications in the code
[14:55] <shadeslayer> I have to jump through hoops
[14:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you write me a guide on how one would about refactoring this?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> just outlining stuff
[14:55] <apachelogger> I'll refactor it
[14:56] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:56] <apachelogger> there is no guide to refactoring :P
[14:56] <shadeslayer> right, but I'm pretty poor at architechture at the moment and this would give me some insight on how to write better structured code ;)
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: IMHO we should release post refactoring
[14:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can look at my diff :P
[14:57] <shadeslayer> heh ofcourse :)
[14:58] <apachelogger> recfactoring is a lot of mind wiggling, mixing up all the bad code one has seen and all the good code one has seen, then overlay that on what one is seeing right now and try to find the bad patterns and replace them with the good patterns
[15:01] <sgclark> Riddell: second error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7027947/
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: *nod*
[15:11] <apachelogger> mh, this might take a while
[15:13] <Riddell> sgclark: mm needs the .symbols files changed, time for another mass edit and upload :)
[15:16] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so your doing that? let me know when I can do something
[15:18] <Riddell> sgclark: yep
[15:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is there a particular reason that you chose to adhoc marshal the variants, rather than do it once and shuffle a concrete object around?
[15:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: assuming I understood that correctly, nope
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: you said to checkout kubuntu-settings-desktop. So that is the way Kubuntu makes it's default settings?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: yep
[15:54] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: if we want to override them from upstream yes
[15:56] <ovidiu-florin> If I make a similar package for an education version of Kubuntu, can that be made available?
[15:56] <ovidiu-florin> in the Kubuntu repos?
[15:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what would it change?
[15:56] <ovidiu-florin> Double click by default for starters
[15:56] <Riddell> hmm there's nothing education specific about that, that's just personal preference
[15:57] <ovidiu-florin> and maybe a different window theme, something more similar to windows, to ease the user migration to linux.
[15:57] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: those are just look and feel stuf, for starters
[15:57] <ovidiu-florin> besiders, that, I can add more dependencies
[15:57] <ovidiu-florin> which can be education applications
[15:58] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: I'd recommend looking at live-build ( for ISO creation ), seeds ( for customizing package sets ) and kubuntu-settings-desktop for look and feel
[15:58] <ovidiu-florin> but I would like this package to only be available for LTS.
[15:59] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: that is extreemly close to starting a new distro
[16:00] <shadeslayer> but that's what you wanted to do?
[16:00] <ovidiu-florin> not exactly
[16:00] <ovidiu-florin> that was only a worst case scenario
[16:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it's not sounding like something kubuntu would want called kubuntu-education but if you have a use for it then great, call it kubuntu-ro-education and we can include it
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> I'd preffer to make a package that can be installed easily by any administrator. maybe an apt: url on a doc site
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I like your ideea
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> kubuntu-ro-education
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll start working on that
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> hopefully I'll get it done in a week or to
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> two*
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[16:06] <Riddell> sgclark: a new sea of blue builds http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html
[16:07] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[16:08] <shadeslayer> such blue
[16:09] <shadeslayer> mine are all green http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.3_trusty.html :3
[16:09] <shadeslayer> or well, mostly
[16:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[16:11] <shadeslayer> test case writery
[16:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 5 minutes
[16:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:19] <apachelogger> well then
[16:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: check inbox
[16:20] <apachelogger> should have an invite
[16:20]  * apachelogger is drowning in tabs again -.-
[16:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-qa
[16:21] <shadeslayer> got it
[16:22] <apachelogger> so, my thinking was to basically replicate the discover demo I made
[16:22] <apachelogger> which basically is 1 page with a description and optional email field
[16:22] <apachelogger> then logically group pages
[16:22] <apachelogger> for most apps I reckon we'll just have one page
[16:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I need permission to read the muon discover stuff
[16:23] <apachelogger> pff, dat google is weird
[16:23] <apachelogger> hm
[16:24] <shadeslayer> yeah opens now
[16:24] <apachelogger> strange enough, I did not really change anything ^^
[16:25] <apachelogger> anyway
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: each step additionally has a comment field, so people may note what went wrong etc.
[16:26] <apachelogger> and radio buttons for works, doesn't work .... I was thinking perhaps also have not tested, but that somehow cannot be done sensibly, so whenver nothing is selected we consider it not tested
[16:26] <apachelogger> all steps are optional for that matter
[16:26] <shadeslayer> makes sense
[16:27] <apachelogger> I am not quite sure where to put expected behavior though
[16:27] <apachelogger> e.g. if you go to the end of the notes page
[16:27] <apachelogger> kcm language has a lot of expected behavior from one action, so either we turn that into sub-steps (each with works/doesn't work) or add a random text field
[16:29] <shadeslayer> mhm
[16:30] <apachelogger> oh you can't add random text stuff
[16:30]  * apachelogger sighs a bit
[16:30] <apachelogger> nah, found it
[16:30]  * shadeslayer is so sleepy it's not even funny -.-
[16:32] <apachelogger> lol, same here, plus I am on drugs :P
[16:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ok, I think we'll want one page per test
[16:32] <apachelogger> well, test step
[16:32] <shadeslayer> plz send some over to me
[16:32] <shadeslayer> makes sense
[16:32] <shadeslayer> we don't want to put the user to sleep
[16:33] <shadeslayer> on that note, maybe put some text  at the beginning to acquire drugs before starting QA would be good :D
[16:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1tF6wdMLEIH4etuWmZgOa_vttWKD5F10xsadpcZZYYCg/viewform
[16:33] <shadeslayer> already open
[16:33] <apachelogger> ok
[16:33] <apachelogger> so basically radio followed by header section (if any) followed by paragraph for comments
[16:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: any questions suggestions?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how does one add another page
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: where is this used: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/places/start-here-kubuntu.png ?
[16:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: add item -> page break
[16:34] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: nowhere
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> from the kubuntu-settings-desktop package
[16:34] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the right most column of items are the non-input stuffs
[16:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, I guess what we should do is create a template form that can be copied
[16:35] <apachelogger> with a template page
[16:35] <apachelogger> that can be copied
[16:36] <apachelogger> copying a lot seemed most efficient when I did the discover thing xD
[16:37] <shadeslayer> can one directly "add item" a template?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> brb
[16:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1suiVscUTq2Q1gZtPoCIVMTYl035MvKXKI_386DtTssI/edit
[16:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, you'd copy the form, then copy the individual page
[16:40] <apachelogger> i.e. you never edit the master template page, you simply copy it and edit
[16:41] <shadeslayer> so how does one copy over an entire page?
[16:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you hover over the page you get a copy icon
[16:42] <apachelogger> at the top right
[16:42] <shadeslayer> that merely seems to duplicate part of the page
[16:43] <apachelogger> ur doing it wrong :P
[16:43] <shadeslayer> not the entire page it self
[16:43] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:43] <apachelogger> just noticed
[16:44] <shadeslayer> ^^
[16:44] <apachelogger> guess we'll have to copy the 4 pieces and drag into place
[16:44] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:44] <Riddell> sgclark: work to be done now on kdbusaddons I see
[16:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps there's a script :P
[16:44] <apachelogger> not worth the effort IMO
[16:44] <shadeslayer> "Script Manager/Editor"
[16:44] <shadeslayer> at the top
[16:44] <apachelogger> we have to edit each item anyway
[16:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, good luck finding anything in there
[16:45] <Riddell> sgclark: kimageformats needs that test patched out (again) and bug reported upstream
[16:45] <shadeslayer> teh javascript
[16:45] <shadeslayer> omg
[16:45] <apachelogger> xD
[16:45] <apachelogger> anyway
[16:45] <apachelogger> as I said
[16:45] <apachelogger> we need to edit each item anyway, so dragging stuff into place ought not be that big a deal
[16:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: actually might be doable
[16:46] <Riddell> sgclark: kwallet-framework should probably be renamed to kwallet-kf5 (upstream renamed it to kwallet, we already have a kwallet in kde 4 land)
[16:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: or
[16:46] <shadeslayer> but yeah
[16:46] <shadeslayer> too much effort
[16:46] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[16:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: google doesn't know either ^^
[16:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/sites/I46YtFbzl9g
[16:47] <shadeslayer> Edit HTML
[16:47] <shadeslayer> xD
[16:48] <apachelogger> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/docs/AQfNxohwKLM
[16:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they are all drunk
[16:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nevermind the rubbish, we'll copy :P
[16:49] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: any objections to the present template?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> not really
[16:49] <shadeslayer> It's quite barebones
[16:50] <apachelogger> that's the idea :P
[16:50] <apachelogger> soooo
[16:50] <apachelogger> let's get started I guess
[16:51] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:51] <sgclark> Riddell: I followed link to kdbusaddons log and it says successfully built
[16:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pick any thing from the notes page and put a ++ next to the title
[16:51] <apachelogger> I'll add a --
[16:51] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:53] <Riddell> sgclark: see red on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html
[16:54] <Riddell> sgclark: click "show/hide"
[16:54] <Riddell> sgclark: it'll show the output of list-missing
[17:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, if you feel that a test isn't clear enough or needs additional notes, feel free to edit accordingly
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ofcourse
[17:01] <shadeslayer> I'm doing the test and checking if something needs addition :)
[17:01] <Riddell> sgclark: attica needs some love
[17:02] <sgclark> ok
[17:02] <Riddell> sgclark: karchive too
[17:03] <Riddell> sgclark: kcodecs could do with being converted to dhmk in debian/rules
[17:03] <sgclark> Riddell: debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/* contains both libfoo.5 and libfoo.4.97.0 is that right?
[17:04] <Riddell> sgclark: yep, the soname got changed to 5 but the build version (which usually matches but doesn't have to) still 4.97.0
[17:04] <sgclark> ok
[17:04] <Riddell> sgclark: knotifications complains about some missing build depends
[17:12] <ovidiu-florin> what do the gtk script and settings from /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings do ? should I include them in my new package?
[17:13] <apachelogger> hm
[17:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I totally don't see your form :S
[17:13] <ovidiu-florin> also the Kubuntu circle png
[17:13] <apachelogger> maybe check share settings
[17:13] <shadeslayer> mmm
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/207882
[17:14] <apachelogger> my oh my
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I can't move my form to the Kubuntu QC folder :(
[17:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Oo
[17:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1nJkl3HfsB3nXxvdNsQ4A9fZ6msyYhHvpXn46jBxU2VI/edit?usp=sharing
[17:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go to the share settings of the folder and maybe flip ownership to yourself
[17:16] <apachelogger> that redshift plasmoid makes me all sleep :@
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there we go
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I had some fanta
[17:17] <shadeslayer> and that woke me up
[17:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have a look if it appeared in the folder?
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[17:18] <apachelogger> magic
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yeah I had to go into my drive and move it from there
[17:18] <shadeslayer> since File -> move to folder doesn't show the Kubuntu 14.04 folder
[17:19] <sgclark> Riddell: kdbusaddons commit to bzr, I still had to make new symbols file
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/c2BNprZ.png
[17:19] <apachelogger> I do not know this window
[17:19] <apachelogger> leave me alone with your francy google things
[17:20] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:23] <Riddell> sgclark: oh I forgot to push up my latest changes, doing so now
[17:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: krita should be done I guess
[17:28] <Riddell> done? that sounds threatening!
[17:28] <ScottK> Removed kubuntu-firefox-installer, FWIW.
[17:31] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:31] <shadeslayer> hah
[17:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.3_trusty.html
[17:31] <shadeslayer> something crashed
[17:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sorry fixing
[17:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, nifty trick, you can set the last page to submit form and hold the template page after that, so we can easily add more stuff later
[17:34] <apachelogger> also see kde telepathy form
[17:36] <shadeslayer> The presence indicator in the system tray should appear and be a green circle symbol thing.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> green circle symbol thing
[17:36] <shadeslayer> so professional :P
[17:36] <d_ed> we have a form?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> d_ed: yeah we're writing one for you :P
[17:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: d_ed does file transfer work across clients
[17:37] <shadeslayer> or does it only work for KTP -> KTP
[17:37] <shadeslayer> because I think it only works for the latter
[17:37] <d_ed> it works across some clients
[17:37] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:37] <d_ed> KTp <-> Empathy
[17:37] <d_ed> sure
[17:37] <d_ed> KTp <---> Jitsi in theory
[17:37] <shadeslayer> KTp <-> adium ? :D
[17:37] <shadeslayer> or GTalk web thingy
[17:37] <shadeslayer> that you keep telling me not to use
[17:37] <d_ed> GTalk no
[17:38] <apachelogger> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ZIcRro3Vk49FOlvLu5IQpdX2S6kiZIal2e7sAS-cd44/viewform
[17:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: might want to mention that file transfer might not work
[17:39] <apachelogger> le mentioned
[17:39] <apachelogger> the k3b stuff is wicked
[17:39] <shadeslayer> wicd?
[17:39] <apachelogger> it really did not seem that bad when I wrote it
[17:39] <apachelogger> jesus
[17:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, wireless k3b don't you know
[17:40] <shadeslayer> sweet baby dalek
[17:40] <apachelogger> it's when you laser across a room to exterminate
[17:40] <d_ed> ooh, we're getting tested
[17:40] <apachelogger> ^ that remains to be seen
[17:41] <shadeslayer> "(man with a plus)"
[17:41] <shadeslayer> xD
[17:41] <apachelogger> oi
[17:41] <apachelogger> don't mock my test cases
[17:41] <sgclark> Riddell: unfortunately I have to run some errands, I can just go through http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html and fix the reds when I get back right?
[17:41] <apachelogger> they come from the feels
[17:42] <Riddell> sgclark: sure, enjoy your errands
[17:43] <sgclark> ok be back shortly
[17:43] <Riddell> sgclark: most of the build failures just need rebuilds
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your feels are funny
[17:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there are a whole bunch of things to be tested in krita
[17:45] <shadeslayer> but I think that would make the form hideously long
[17:45] <shadeslayer> it's the equivalent of testing LO
[17:45] <shadeslayer> also, why do we have krita on the ISO :(
[17:45] <shadeslayer> We need something like MS Paint
[17:45] <shadeslayer> not the entire Adobe Acrobat drawing suite
[17:46] <apachelogger> that's what I'm saying
[17:46] <apachelogger> the krita is not doing what we need
[17:46] <shadeslayer> it most certainly is not
[17:46] <apachelogger> it's like if we packed blender on the iso
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[17:46] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:46] <apachelogger> kolourpaint I think is more along the lines of what a basic desktop needs
[17:46] <apachelogger> http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kryta
[17:47] <shadeslayer> ^^ kept searching for kolorpaint
[17:47] <shadeslayer> american english has ruined me
[17:47] <apachelogger> no clue why it uses engb spellery
[17:48] <apachelogger> search&launch also uses engb spelling for favorites for some reason
[17:48] <shadeslayer> are you saying the ubuntu archive is using enus ? :O
[17:48] <apachelogger> very inconsistent
[17:48] <shadeslayer> ( also, that sounds very wrong, enus )
[17:48]  * apachelogger giggles
[17:49] <apachelogger> I am saying C is supposed to be en_US so giving an application a silly name that is based on en_GB is just wrong
[17:49] <Riddell> I use krita all the time, it's a first rate KDE app and I like to promote it by putting it on the image, but I agree it's a luxury
[17:49] <apachelogger> although kolour certainly seems more artistic ^^
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: luxury we cannot afford right now
[17:50] <apachelogger> I ripped out german translations and the one and only game we had to get the ISO into size again
[17:50] <apachelogger> and now due to marble it is oversized again
[17:51] <apachelogger> somehow I suspect KDE artwork stuff is a major drag on ISO size
[17:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: we had it on the kde 3 images and took it off for kde 4 for similar reasons, it's always been the first app to go
[17:51] <apachelogger> we might want to do a more low level ISO content review at some point
[17:52] <Riddell> sgclark: doing a mass retry which you can do with ./kubuntu-retry-builds --experimental --kf5 --force
[17:52] <Riddell> sgclark: from lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[17:52] <apachelogger> I have the feeling that duplicated icons all over the place add a couple k everywhere which put together makes up for a lot of space used that is not immediately obvious
[17:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do really wonder when calligra will be usable by default
[17:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: any day now
[17:53] <apachelogger> it would probably slash 50-100mb off the CD
[17:53] <apachelogger> LO also has massive artwork duplication as it basically has copy of most oxygen icons for office stuff
[17:53]  * apachelogger said CD there ^^
[17:54] <Riddell> it's downloaded from cdimages so it must be a CD image
[17:55] <apachelogger> hehe, true
[17:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, btw, that's why the krita test is so meh ... there is not much base functionality we expect from it
[18:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:00] <shadeslayer> drop it I say! :P
[18:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how many of the advanced features of Krita do you use ?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> can they be substituted with kolourpaint?
[18:01] <apachelogger> I don't think Riddell actually uses krita :P
[18:02]  * apachelogger is not even convinced we'd need kolourpaint really
[18:02] <apachelogger> I personally only ever resize/crop stuff, and gwenview is very good for those tasks
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have a look at the k-n-h test plz
[18:28] <apachelogger> think I am going to call it a day
[18:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: writing an intro I am xD
[18:29] <shadeslayer> pft
[18:29]  * shadeslayer is out of words
[18:29] <shadeslayer> mmm ... 7:30 PM :/
[18:29] <shadeslayer> another hour to go
[18:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, I like your before you start stuff
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah :)
[18:30] <shadeslayer> made more sense
[18:30] <apachelogger> yep
[18:30] <shadeslayer> what happened to reboot notification test /0\
[18:30] <apachelogger> looks good
[18:31] <shadeslayer> wtf
[18:31] <shadeslayer> Google is eating up all my data ~~~~
[18:32] <apachelogger> a custom made system is much needed
[18:32] <apachelogger> that autoscroll shit also makes me go :@
[18:32] <apachelogger> most terrible
[18:32] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you and your 'things'
[18:34] <apachelogger> things are the best kind of something
[18:35]  * shadeslayer is done with forms for today
[18:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just need your advice on something btw
[18:35] <shadeslayer> before you leave
[18:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7028127/
[18:35] <shadeslayer> them missing symbols
[18:35] <apachelogger> but my head
[18:36] <shadeslayer> one last thing plz
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you're breaking canonical servers with big pastes
[18:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lines 11738 / 11739
[18:37] <shadeslayer> them symbols that be disappearing
[18:37] <shadeslayer> in minor releases
[18:37] <apachelogger> I once had a disappearing symbol
[18:38] <apachelogger> it was eaten by a snake
[18:38] <apachelogger> poor things
[18:38] <shadeslayer> I think mine was eaten by developers
[18:38] <shadeslayer> but with developers, one never knows :)
[18:39] <apachelogger> there's no diff
[18:39]  * apachelogger blind
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 11738
[18:39] <shadeslayer> line 11738
[18:39] <apachelogger> I mean in the source
[18:40] <shadeslayer> +#MISSING: 4:4.12.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1# _ZN5KMime5Types8AddrSpecC1Ev@Base 4:4.12.2
[18:40] <shadeslayer> +#MISSING: 4:4.12.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1# _ZN5KMime5Types8AddrSpecC2Ev@Base 4:4.12.2
[18:40] <apachelogger> I don't see a diff on KMime
[18:40] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:40] <shadeslayer> what
[18:40] <shadeslayer> what
[18:40] <shadeslayer> dafuq
[18:41] <apachelogger> maybe I am doing it wrong
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Last commit on Date:   Sat Dec 21 00:07:38 2013 +0000
[18:41] <shadeslayer> /o\
[18:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: I use krita all the time
[18:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: depending on your definition of advanced, none
[18:42] <apachelogger> git diff v4.12.2 KDE/4.12 kmime |diffstat
[18:42] <apachelogger>  0 files changed
[18:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: you should use gwenview I think
[18:42] <Riddell> I do but it doesn't have everything I need
[18:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did we have a patch at some point maybe?
[18:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you need?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> the case of the missing symbols this is turning out to be
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah thx
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: these are missing in 4.12.2 as well
[18:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: resize, rotate, paintbrushes, select to crop
[18:44] <apachelogger> you use paintbrushes?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ^
[18:44] <apachelogger> are you a sekrit artist? :O
[18:45] <shadeslayer> just like you sekritly speak french
[18:45] <apachelogger> git diff v4.10.0 KDE/4.12 kmime | grep AddrSpec
[18:45] <apachelogger> there's no diffsy
[18:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: occationally, like ahoneybun :)
[18:46] <apachelogger> ah
[18:46] <apachelogger> fair enough, kolourpaint should have brushes ^^
[18:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I don't find any commit changing AddrSpec anywhere
[18:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: see comment above
[18:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: about symbols being missing for ELONGTIME
[18:48] <shadeslayer> missing since 4.12.2
[18:48] <apachelogger> wait what
[18:48] <apachelogger> no
[18:48] <apachelogger> nonono
[18:48] <apachelogger> wtf
[18:48] <shadeslayer> ??
[18:48] <apachelogger> yes
[18:48] <apachelogger> what
[18:48] <apachelogger> no
[18:48] <apachelogger> what
[18:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see the two lines below the missing line
[18:49] <shadeslayer> I think I broke apachelogger /o\
[18:49] <apachelogger> _ZN5KMime5Types8AddrSpecC1Ev@Base
[18:49] <apachelogger> vs.
[18:49] <apachelogger> _ZN5KMime5Types8AddrSpecD1Ev@Base
[18:49] <apachelogger> no clue what that means, it doesn't look healthy tho
[18:49] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[18:49] <shadeslayer> it most certainly does not
[18:49] <shadeslayer> those date back to 4.6.5
[18:49] <shadeslayer> whaaaaa
[18:51] <Riddell> note I'm not arguing against krita's removal, if we need space it and kexi are probably the first to go, I'm just saying I use it plenty enough
[18:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, please try kolourpaint
[18:51] <apachelogger> no need to regress use cases, IMO krita is too powerful for the use cases you highlighted anyway
[18:52] <apachelogger> tho of course there's personal preference, just saying :)
[18:52] <shadeslayer> hey c++filt y u no work
[18:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what changed in 4.6.5?
[18:52] <apachelogger> I am not even sure what the C1/D1 mangle means
[18:53] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.6.5-0ubuntu1
[18:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/81036308/kdepimlibs_4%3A4.6.2-0ubuntu1_4%3A4.6.5-0ubuntu1.diff.gz offers no insight to me
[18:55] <shadeslayer> also, c++filt ZN5KMime5Types8AddrSpecC1Ev@Base doesn't seem to work :(
[18:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how do you know that C1 disappeared with .5?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ohm
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ahahaha
[18:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: C => Ctor , D=> Dtor
[18:56] <apachelogger> oh
[18:56] <apachelogger> that's a compiler thing then
[18:56] <shadeslayer> c++filt _ZN5KMime5Types8AddrSpecD1Ev   => KMime::Types::AddrSpec::~AddrSpec()
[18:57] <apachelogger> gcc was borked at some point
[18:57] <shadeslayer> c++filt _ZN5KMime5Types8AddrSpecC1Ev => KMime::Types::AddrSpec::AddrSpec()
[18:57] <apachelogger> addrspec is a struct without explicit ctor or dtor IIRC
[18:57] <apachelogger> sec
[18:57] <shadeslayer> it is
[18:57] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:57] <apachelogger> and it never had explicit ones according to the mighty git diff
[18:58] <shadeslayer> so gcc being funky?
[18:58] <apachelogger> I think
[18:59] <apachelogger> not that it would matter much now if it really broke so long ago :P
[18:59] <shadeslayer> so structs now have DTors but no CTors now? 0.o
[19:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they always have implicit ctors and dtors, but implict ones do not actually generate symbols, or well, they are not supposed to generate symbols
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ofcourse ^^ @ 1 st part, didn't know they weren't supposed to generate symbols
[19:01] <apachelogger> that's why in a library you usually always want to have explicit ctors and dtors even if they do nothing, otherwise the compiler for the application will generate a default ctor/dtor at compile time and if you then later introduce one in the library the application would have to be rebuilt to pick that up
[19:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd run this by doko maybe
[19:02] <apachelogger> I really do not know enough about structs in cpp
[19:02] <shadeslayer> mhm
[19:02] <apachelogger> but I can say for sure that addrspec has seen no change to the struct since 2008
[19:02] <shadeslayer> will run it by doko
[19:02] <apachelogger> and that added a new function, so that should have any effect either
[19:03] <shadeslayer> no doko at the moment
[19:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: might also be that a compile flag got changed and that introdcued the symbol retraction
[19:03] <apachelogger> no one knows
[19:04] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[19:04] <apachelogger> definitely not an API change upstream
[19:04] <apachelogger> much madness
[19:04] <shadeslayer> so should I let this block 4.12.3
[19:04]  * apachelogger heads out
[19:04] <apachelogger> depends on whether it was missing before
[19:04] <apachelogger> if not, then yes, I'd block
[19:05] <shadeslayer> it was missing in 4.12.2
[19:05] <shadeslayer> sorta
[19:05] <shadeslayer> it's missing in the build log
[19:06] <shadeslayer> but symbols file has it
[19:06]  * shadeslayer blocks
[19:24] <sgclark> Riddell: back, I still see symbols errors, want me to create these symbols files while I fix these?
[19:34] <Riddell> sgclark: where?
[19:35] <Riddell> sgclark: there's new symbols in e.g. attica in which case use the batchpatch command
[19:37] <sgclark> Riddell: oh? I clicked on the logfile link from http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html and there were symbols errors. hmm
[19:40] <Riddell> sgclark: right there's a missing symbol which is normally an error but these libraries aren't released finally yet so that's fine
[19:40] <Riddell> sgclark: so update with batchpatch and remove the MISSING line from .symbols file
[19:40] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[19:47] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7029357/
[19:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell, what did I do?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, http://imgur.com/Qqst5nd less evil?
[20:18] <Riddell> ahoneybun: artwork :)
[20:18] <ahoneybun> Riddell, that's what you were talking about
[20:18] <ahoneybun> Riddell, http://imgur.com/Qqst5nd
[20:19] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah, something still not right with symbols, I looked in the debian for attica and the symbols file still had 4.96.0
[20:19] <Riddell> ahoneybun: meh, I prefered the sillouette you did earlier
[20:19] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm let me look
[20:19] <ahoneybun> Riddell, apachelogger thought it looked creepy
[20:21] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I think this one looks creepy :)
[20:21] <ahoneybun> Riddell, serious lol
[20:24] <Riddell> sgclark: I get the same problem, and when I build locally it doesn't say anything about the symbols
[20:25] <ahoneybun> Riddell, I have another one coming out
[20:25] <mikhas> hi Riddell
[20:25] <mikhas> :-)
[20:25] <Riddell> hola mikhas
[20:26] <mikhas> could I interest you ina bridge?
[20:26] <ahoneybun> Riddell, http://imgur.com/3EM0kPz
[20:26] <sgclark> Riddell: what is that wierd libkf5attica5_patched.symbolsXjKTZD file in the source folder, that does not seem right
[20:26] <Riddell> mikhas: um, could I use it to replace the Forth Road Bridge?
[20:26] <mikhas> no idea
[20:26] <Riddell> sgclark: it's just a temporary file while it patches the real one, you can ignore it
[20:26] <mikhas> you and your starwars games
[20:26] <sgclark> ok
[20:26] <mikhas> there are kids here!
[20:33] <Riddell> sgclark: I build it locally with latest bzr packaging and I was able to run batchpatch fine so I've uploaded ~ppa4 and we'll see how that turns out
[20:33] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thank you
[20:37] <ahoneybun> Riddell, what do you think ?
[20:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I still prefer yours from last night
[20:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell, but that is sillouette
[20:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: anything I can do?
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: actually, do you have any experience with kconf_update scripts
[20:58] <ahoneybun> Riddell, apachelogger valorie http://imgur.com/2mRedtA
[21:08] <ahoneybun> Riddell, the new site has ubuntu font installed by default
[21:11] <ahoneybun> Riddell, check http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/
[21:17] <sgclark> Riddell: while it did build fine (attica) I still wonder why the symbols file has 4.96.0 in it, I created one locally and it as 4.97.0 as it should
[21:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm I guess I must do but not recently
[21:21] <ahoneybun> how far is calligra 2.8 being built? I downloaded the source
[21:24] <genii> Everything busted earlier with Kubuntu, had to manually downgrade to 4.12.2-0ubuntu2
[21:25] <ahoneybun> has anyone compiled calligra 2.8?
[21:25] <Riddell> ahoneybun: needs packaged
[21:25] <Riddell> if you're up for some packaging
[21:25] <Riddell> although it is a beast
[21:25] <ahoneybun> yea I thought so
[21:25] <ahoneybun> I saw your bug report Riddell
[21:26] <sgclark> Riddell: I think your symbol script is using -v 4.96.0 update that to 4.97.0 will fix a bunch of these packages
[21:26] <ahoneybun> Riddell, did you see the site?
[21:54] <Riddell> ahoneybun: the site looks awesome
[21:54] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what's left needing done?
[22:01] <ahoneybun> feature tour and contribute
[22:01] <ahoneybun> contribute I might just grab from the user docs
[22:10] <soee> someone able to close it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1283353 ?
[23:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you remove from debian/libkasten2core2.symbols
[23:11] <shadeslayer> erm
[23:11] <ahoneybun> Riddell, http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/category/news/
[23:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you remove libkasten2core.so.2 libkasten2core2 #MINVER# from debian/libkasten2core2.symbols
[23:13] <yofel> hm...
[23:14] <shadeslayer> for some reason even adding that line doesn't help
[23:14] <yofel> this is... weird
[23:15] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/pcpsjooxp
[23:15] <yofel> according to the log I re-created the file in r5, *with* that line, but in r7 where howard updated it the line is simply missing
[23:15] <shadeslayer> quite
[23:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: uh.........
[23:18] <yofel> is bzr making fun of me?
[23:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: diff between 4 and 5 shows you removed it :P
[23:19] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/F9rRG7t.png
[23:19] <yofel> 4..5 also has
[23:19] <yofel> +libkasten2core.so.2 libkasten2core2 #MINVER#
[23:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: also, is it just me or are all symbols duplicated for 4.8.90 and 4.10.90 ?
[23:21] <yofel> lines 2 - 550 shouldn't be there I think
[23:23] <yofel> not sure if it's all of them, but e.g. _ZN7Kasten223ModelDataGenerateThread3runEv@Base is twice in that file
[23:23] <yofel> shadeslayer:  wait
[23:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: libkasten2core.so.2 libkasten2core2 #MINVER#, is in line 383
[23:24] <shadeslayer> wha
[23:24] <yofel> so I think everything above that shouldn't be there
[23:24] <yofel> and dpkg-gensymbols is actually right
[23:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: look at the bottom of your paste too
[23:24] <yofel> the line is at the bottom of the diff
[23:24] <shadeslayer> yep
[23:24] <shadeslayer> found it
[23:25] <shadeslayer> I totally didn't understand what the heck is going on there
[23:25] <yofel> so it seems I messed the file up in r5
[23:25] <yofel> no clue how that happened though
[23:26] <ahoneybun> anyone able to play mp4s?
[23:26] <shadeslayer> cat /path/to/mp4 > /sys/class/device/path/to/spkr
[23:27] <yofel> ahoneybun: where? mplayer works fine
[23:27] <yofel> though shadeslayer's way is more... linux? :D
[23:27] <ahoneybun> 14.04 dragon player
[23:28] <yofel> works.
[23:29] <yofel> but I think I installed any gstreamer plugins that we have in the archive
[23:29] <shadeslayer> it's the right way of playing stuff
[23:30] <ahoneybun> I thought the restriced-extra package added the function
[23:34]  * ahoneybun installs mplayer
[23:47] <ahoneybun> can someone throw me a screenshot of them viewing there picture in gwenview?
[23:52] <ahoneybun> Riddell, http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/ :)


[00:48] <zequence> anyone got their @ubuntustudio.com adress to work yet?
[06:58] <zequence> seems like the Ardour3 package depends on newer versions of other packages, than what is available to Raring
[06:59] <zequence> So, doesn't seem to be buildable right now
[07:01] <falktx_> hm?
[07:01] <zequence> falktx_: I used the git tree provided by Debian MM
[07:01] <falktx_> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/3034334/+listing-archive-extra
[07:01] <falktx_> me too
[07:02] <falktx_> I even have it in 12.04, using updated boost packages
[07:02] <zequence> falktx_: Did you also update the dependencies? If you did not build against what is available in Raring, it won't help much
[07:03] <falktx_> why is that? it runs fine here...
[07:04] <zequence> My goal was not to make it run, but to build it for Raring
[07:04] <falktx_> I'm not sure what's going on then, I built it just fine
[07:05] <zequence> falktx_: So, did you update the dependencies, or no?
[07:05] <falktx_> have been doing so from a couple of svn versions before the release
[07:05] <falktx_> zequence: for raring, not at all
[07:05] <falktx_> which dependencies?
[07:05] <zequence> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/135265308/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-amd64.ardour3_3.0~dfsg-1ubuntu1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[07:06] <zequence> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[07:06] <zequence> libraptor2-dev(inst 2.0.8-2 ! >= wanted 2.0.9) liblrdf0-dev(inst 0.4.0-5build1 ! >= wanted 1.0.15) libserd-dev(inst 0.18.2~dfsg0-1 ! >= wanted 0.18.2) libsord-dev(inst 0.10.4~dfsg0-1 ! >= wanted 0.12.0) .. etc
[07:06] <falktx_> those are stupid
[07:06] <falktx_> except raptor, but ardour doesn't use that
[07:06] <falktx_> ah wait, sord is right
[07:07] <falktx_> but look at serd:
[07:07] <falktx_> libserd-dev(inst 0.18.2~dfsg0-1 ! >= wanted 0.18.2)
[07:07] <falktx_> it's actually 0.18.2 in there
[07:07] <falktx_> so I guess I updated some dependencies, basic lv2 libs
[07:08] <falktx_> (and to build without debug, again)
[07:10] <zequence> falktx_: I'm not very used to waf builds, but where in the Debian package build does it make it build in debug mode?
[07:11] <falktx_> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/serd.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;hb=HEAD
[07:11] <falktx_> override_dh_auto_configure:
[07:11] <falktx_> ...
[07:11] <falktx_> --debug \
[07:11] <falktx_> ...
[07:12] <zequence> Ok, not Ardour3
[07:12] <zequence> When I have time, I will go through all of them
[07:12] <zequence> I also want to test the difference some day, just out of curiousity
[07:13] <falktx_> if you doubt there's a difference, I will stop talking to you...
[07:13] <falktx_> it's just common sense...
[07:13] <falktx_> I'm pretty sure the packager of those already got the message about debug builds by now, since it was disabled in qjackctl in a few others
[07:14] <falktx_> *and a few others
[07:14] <zequence> I just like to see what is important or not in how things are configured. Many suggested configs for audio are more or less 0 efficient, while others make almost all the difference
[07:15] <zequence> It is difficult to get a broad understanding without a big amount of machines though
[13:34] <ttoine> LIghworks: we will we be making the Linux Public Beta, which includes a much improved licensing scheme, available on 30th April 2013
[13:57] <len_1304> zequence, what does ardour with their download packages then?
[13:58] <len_1304> Do they include these deps too?
[13:58] <zequence> len_1304: The installers at the Ardour site include all deps locally
[13:59] <zequence> len_1304: That is why they are installed in /opt/, I guess. All the deps end up inside the ardour folder
[13:59] <zequence> But, when packaging for Debian, it's all Debianified
[14:00] <len_1304> So they are still loadable libs then not part of the one binary.
[14:00] <zequence> I haven't investigated in detail, but you don't need to install deps separately
[14:01] <len_1304> I haven't really looked through what I have downloaded either.
[14:01] <zequence> It's of course possible to create a package like that too, if one wants to
[14:01] <zequence> For Debian, I mean
[14:02] <zequence> There are some people who would prefare a system like that
[14:02] <zequence> Would mean apps take more space
[14:02] <len_1304> I would wonder if there would be problems with a loadable lib of a different version and other software, I think it has to be static.
[14:03] <zequence> Usually, libs are backwards compatible
[14:03] <len_1304> Both on disk and in  memory, it would take more space
[14:03] <zequence> But, not the other way around
[14:03] <zequence> That's true
[14:03] <zequence> Simpler to maintain. Easier to update individual packages
[14:04] <zequence> More waste
[14:04] <len_1304> Might be the easier way of dealing with gcdmaster
[14:05] <zequence> Don't know what the policy is on this though
[17:07] <zequence> madeinkobaia: hi
[17:07] <madeinkobaia> Hi :)
[17:07] <zequence> madeinkobaia: It's actually very early to be talking about wallpapers, but the idea is we put together some sort of submission contest for each cycle
[17:08] <madeinkobaia> ok
[17:08] <zequence> We're also in need of art for social sites, our OS, and also the website. But, we haven not discussed much on how to go about this
[17:09] <madeinkobaia> I am greatly interested for work on graphical interfact too or any other graphical projects
[17:10] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Right now, we have a very minimal look on social sites https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio
[17:10] <zequence> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102125777892703446963/102125777892703446963/posts?partnerid=gplp0
[17:11] <zequence> The name is done using the Ubuntu font
[17:12] <zequence> The icon, the name, and the slogan should all be used for social sites, as well as the web site
[17:12] <madeinkobaia> Indeed that will need some improvements
[17:12] <zequence> What I would like to see, is a unified theme idea
[17:12] <madeinkobaia> I must leave now :( how to stay in touch ?
[17:13] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Drop by here anytime
[17:13] <zequence> Or post on our -devel mail list
[17:14] <madeinkobaia> Ok, I will do that, see you soon : )
[17:14] <zequence> See you :)
[17:15] <madeinkobaia> Bye :)
[17:23] <ttoine> zequence, lightworks will soon release the public beta for linux. before the one for Mac
[17:24] <zequence> ttoine: That will be interesting to see :)
[17:27] <ttoine> yes !


[09:33] <akgraner> pleia2, happy birthday!
[09:47]  * nlsthzn didn't know it was your special day but happy b-day pleia2, hope it is a great day and an awesome year :)
[10:44] <nlsthzn> ... but I guess I might be able to remember it next year seeing as my wife also celebrates her birth on this day :p
[12:31] <akgraner> wendar, hey!
[12:32] <akgraner> good to see you in the channel :-)
[12:33] <akgraner> Going to add links to the other supported derivate distros and those those new portals jono's team has up and running now
[12:34] <akgraner> The Fridge needs some updates in a few places - we've also had the request to add a release calendar to the Fridge as well...
[12:35] <akgraner> I'll email the LoCo Council and LoCo contacts about the LoCo Calendar  - I am not seeing much use for it as we have the loco directory - so unless we  can import loco events from the LD then I think a link to the events section of the LD would be better suited for the fridge
[13:59] <akgraner> added the new portals to the site
[14:00] <akgraner> need to clean up the development team list and then add the new supported derivates
[14:00] <akgraner> we have link 12 now or something
[14:29] <akgraner> I'm pulling down the links to the development teams for now  - all the wikis are horribly out of date
[14:30] <akgraner> I'll see if I can't get some better links from the team Managers...
[14:43] <akgraner> ok pulled the development teams down for now - and I'll create the release calender though pleia2 or nhandler may have to remind me how to add it ;-)
[22:26] <pleia2> can someone find the official announcements for ubuntu font monospace and ubuntu one windows clients, if they exist?
[22:26] <akgraner> I'll search
[22:27] <akgraner> I didn't see an official announcement yet
[22:27] <akgraner> Ubuntu One is on the Ubuntu One Blog
[22:27] <pleia2> plenty of news sites have picked up the news, but I don't know how they knew :)
[22:27] <akgraner> want me to grab it
[22:27] <akgraner> I menat the font announcement
[22:27] <pleia2> http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=1241 aha!
[22:28] <akgraner> the Ubuntu One post was on their bloh
[22:28] <akgraner> blog
[22:28] <pleia2> is this UWN-worthy?
[22:28] <akgraner> and I was alerted through other news sources but haven't posted it yet
[22:28] <pleia2> the ubuntu one situation is confusing, ubuntu name but canonical paid service :(
[22:28] <akgraner> totally - just hadn't got around to it yet :-)
[22:29] <pleia2> tossing it in In Other News
[22:29] <akgraner> want me to post it...it's big news to users who are cross-platform
[22:29] <pleia2> to fridge?
[22:29] <akgraner> k
[22:29] <pleia2> I put it in the UWN doc
[22:29] <akgraner> yeah - since it is sorta huge news
[22:29] <pleia2> ok yeah, go for it
[22:30] <akgraner> but I can't find the font announcement
[22:30] <akgraner> it's in beta still
[22:30] <pleia2> maybe it's not news yet :)
[22:31] <akgraner> well maybe not
[22:31] <akgraner> one sec let me ping a design person
[22:33] <akgraner> pleia2, just ask about the font announcement in -desktop
[22:34] <akgraner> they should know
[22:35] <akgraner> pleia2,  fyi
 Hi all is there an  official announcements for ubuntu font monospace anywhere?
 s/announcements/announcement
 and if so can you point me to it - so we can add it to UWN and the Fridge
 akgraner: it's not been officially released, has it?
 jbicha, that's what I am trying to find out
 Best I have seen is the announcement for the beta
 since people are talking about it today
 it was still in beta last I heard, it's not in Ubuntu yet either
 thank you - then I'm holding off on inclusion  - thank you! :-)
[22:36] <akgraner> pleia2, I'm finishing up the -P release calendar
[22:36] <pleia2> ah, the announcement for the beta is probably what I'm looking for
[22:36] <akgraner> I thought that was a while back?
[22:38] <akgraner> I talked to skaet so she and someone on the release team will have access to the calendar so we have an official public release development Calendar
[22:38] <akgraner> not just a wiki page to point people too
[22:39] <akgraner> pleia2, <jbicha> hmm, omgubuntu made an announcement but it looks premature
[22:40] <akgraner> so without an official announcement I don't thing we should include it
[22:40] <pleia2> nhaines mentioned it in -us-ca this morning before the omgubuntu post too, but he's being unhelpful about source
[22:40] <pleia2> yeah, I agree
[22:40] <pleia2> no big deal, I was mostly making sure I wasn't missing some big news or something :)
[22:41] <akgraner> nods
[22:41] <pleia2> good to know I'm not *that* out of touch
[22:41] <akgraner> I didn't see it on any of the devel lists
 oh, it's definitely in the fonts.ubuntu.com 0.80 download, they just didn't update their site
[22:42] <akgraner> http://font.ubuntu.com/
[22:43] <pleia2> yeah, I saw the site isn't updated to link to monospace
[22:44] <akgraner> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/phased-beta/0.80
[22:45] <akgraner> but I am still not seeing an "official" announcement
[22:45] <akgraner> wendar, can you look into this one?
 bug 821876 for inclusion in Oneiric, not approved yet
 Launchpad bug 821876 in ubuntu-font-family-sources "FFe: New upstream version Ubuntu Font Family 0.72 (Ubuntu Mono hinted and Ubuntu Condensed hinted)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821876
[22:46] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/font/2011-September/000001.html
[22:46] <pleia2> ^^ that's the post nhaines saw and mentioned it
[22:47] <pleia2> we have a font mailing list, who knew? :)
[22:48] <akgraner> I didn't
[22:48] <akgraner> I think a session at UDS needs to be updating mailing list pages and IRC channel pages
[22:48] <pleia2> yeah
[22:48] <pleia2> at the very least brought up in community roundtable
[22:48] <akgraner> how the heck can we find stuff if we don't know things even exist
[22:49] <pleia2> according to the archives this is the first post ever
[22:49] <akgraner> DOH!
[22:49] <akgraner> seriously
[22:49] <pleia2> so maybe the design team will do some blog post soon and mention it
[22:52] <akgraner> sladen, ping
[22:53] <akgraner> were you going to let us know about the font announcement?
[22:53] <sladen> akgraner: yeah, yeah.
[22:53] <sladen> akgraner: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/font/2011-September/000001.html
[22:53] <sladen> that do?
[22:54] <sladen> akgraner: who didn't update their site?
[22:54] <akgraner> well we had to track it down :-)  I thought you would have given us a heads up :-)
[22:55] <akgraner> we didn't even know about the font mailing list
[22:55] <akgraner> we want to stay on top of the news and make sure we include it but we can't watch lists we aren't aware off :-) that's all...
[22:56] <akgraner> s/off/of
[22:57] <akgraner> sladen, will that be the only announcement?
[22:58] <akgraner> http://font.ubuntu.com/ isn't updated yet
[22:59] <sladen> akgraner: updated ... hours ago
[22:59] <sladen> akgraner: try the refresh key.  14:00 precisely IIRC
[22:59] <akgraner> sladen, hmmm still said TBA when I looked
[22:59] <sladen> akgraner: where?
[22:59] <pleia2> the download link is updated, still lists: Monospaced (TBA)
[22:59] <pleia2> on the right under "Weights and languages"
[23:00] <sladen> oh.  there.  I'm an idiot
[23:00] <pleia2> <3 sladen
[23:00] <akgraner> :-) hugs
[23:00] <akgraner> pleia2, if that's the first announcement and we just confirmed it as correct let's us that one
[23:01] <akgraner> want me to add it to the Fridge while I'm post about Ubuntu One
[23:01] <pleia2> akgraner: great, thanks!
[23:01]  * pleia2 back to work
[23:02] <akgraner> sladen, thanks!
[23:04] <sladen> akgraner: ah.  The new version won't hit Google Webfonts until Wednesday, and the font.ubuntu.com site uses the GWF-served versions for the previews
[23:05] <akgraner> sladen, gotcha - but it's safe for us to use your email to the list as the "official announcement" though right?
[23:06] <akgraner> pleia2, heading out to pick up kiddos from band practice will add this when I return :-)
[23:07] <pleia2> akgraner: ok, enjoy! I'll be gone the rest of the evening with birthdaystuffs anyway, thanks for handling this
[23:09] <sladen> akgraner: yes, the  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/font/2011-September/000001.html  mail basically is the official announcement
[23:10] <sladen> akgraner: I've done a slight update to the font page
[23:10] <sladen> front page
[23:10] <sladen> akgraner: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uffw-contributors/ubuntu-font-family-website/deployed/revision/56
[23:10] <akgraner> sladen, enjoy b-days stuffs :-) thank you so much!
[23:11] <pleia2> NEW :) thanks sladen
[23:16] <sladen> ooh, somebody just accepted my wallpaper upload
[23:16] <sladen> there's more to write about
[23:26] <sladen> pleia2: I think I just got your birthday stuff from akgraner, perhaps I can pass it along for when you get back
[23:31] <pleia2> hah, yeah :)


[21:24] <mijk> hi
[21:25] <mijk> I'm having trouble install quake using game-data-manager
[21:28] <mijk> I'm trynig to point to the folder where the PAK files are but it still won't work