[00:16] <thumper> wallyworld, babbageclunk: I have a question around upgrade-juju
[00:17] <thumper> I thought 'juju upgrade-juju --dry-run' would tell you what it would do
[00:17] <thumper> is that not right?
[00:17] <babbageclunk> thumper: otp (standup) - it should do, I think?
[00:17] <thumper> except in the situation where I'm using a build pre-release?
[00:18] <thumper> it says it would upgrade to 2.3.2
[00:18] <thumper> but I think it'll do <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:18] <babbageclunk> thumper: have you specified --build-agent?
[00:18] <thumper> no
[00:18] <thumper> huh, this is different than it used to be
[00:46] <thumper> wallyworld, babbageclunk: I have a stop the line bug for the release...
[00:46] <thumper> the upgrade failed from 2.2.9
[00:46] <thumper> interestingly it failed upgrading to 2.3.2
[00:46] <babbageclunk> :(
[00:46] <thumper> I'd like some rubberducks
[00:47] <thumper> if you can jump in the release call, that'd be swell
[00:47] <babbageclunk> yup yup
[03:47] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: approved
[04:04] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: model cred in show-model and models output, PTAL https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8372
[04:34] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: also, i *think* that htis is resolved now?... https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1680523
[04:34] <mup> Bug #1680523: add-credential azure fails <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680523>
[08:30] <kerem> Hi All,
[08:37] <thumper> o/ kerem
[08:43] <kerem> Hi Tim,
[08:43] <kerem> can you help me ?
[08:45] <kerem> I have a problem with juju
[08:47] <jam> whats up kerem?
[08:48] <kerem> Hey !
[08:49] <kerem> Is there anybody there?
[08:49] <jam> We're here, but you don't seem to be asking any questions yet
[08:50] <kerem> Hi Jam
[08:50] <kerem> We are trying to install Openstack using Juju (2.3.2) and MAAS (2.3). When we try to load the application via Juju, we get a random rope. for example when I want to work with <IP_ADDRESS>/24 it uses the overlay (tenant) which is <IP_ADDRESS>/24.  Q: How do I provide interface or ip assignments when distributing over the Juju? The same is true for LXD.
[08:51] <kerem> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1616098
[08:51] <mup> Bug #1616098: Juju 2.0 uses random IP for 'PUBLIC-ADDRESS' with MAAS 2.0 <4010> <cpec> <juju:Fix Released by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616098>
[08:52] <kerem> same problem
[08:52] <jam> kerem: so likely Juju knows about both addresses. And you can see those if you do "juju show-machine X". Its a bit arbitrary which address we pick to show in status, since we only have 1 value.
[08:52] <jam> kerem: is there an actual problem that you have for the application running, or is it just that 'status' is showing you an address you don't like?
[08:53] <kerem> I created 5 space and subnet
[08:55] <kerem> I want to use management-space in node setup, fkaat is using provider-space or ceph-cluster-space
[08:56] <kerem> My goal is that the physical server and the Lxd servers are in the same space.
[08:57] <kerem> When I try to deploy, the physical server gives me an ip address I do not want.
[08:57] <jam> kerem: so are you specifying those as bindings in the bundle?
[08:57] <jam> bindings:
[08:58] <jam> kerem: if you deploy the charm directly, you can do "juju deploy fkaat --bind provider-space" for example
[08:58] <kerem> yes
[08:58] <jam> or in the bundle definition it would be
[08:58] <jam> bindings:
[08:58] <jam>  "": provider-space
[08:58] <jam> (you can bind endpoints separately, but for now, I'm assuming you want them all to use the same binding for a given application)
[09:00] <kerem> I could not tell
[09:00] <kerem> sorry
[09:01] <jam> kerem: I'm assuming you're deploying from a bundle, can you share that bundle? say via pastebin.ubuntu.com ?
[09:03] <kerem> No, I have not yet.
[09:03] <kerem> Because I can not get it like I want.
[09:04] <kerem> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1616098
[09:04] <mup> Bug #1616098: Juju 2.0 uses random IP for 'PUBLIC-ADDRESS' with MAAS 2.0 <4010> <cpec> <juju:Fix Released by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616098>
[09:04] <kerem> This same problem
[09:05] <kerem> my management ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:05] <kerem> my storage ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:06] <kerem> on a node1
[09:07] <kerem> deployment start "juju deploy nova-comupte --bind management-space" is it true?
[09:26] <jam> kerem: something like that, but it depends what the actual spaces are and how you want the applications to be configured.
[20:47] <thumper> babbageclunk: ping
[20:47] <babbageclunk> thumper: pong
[20:48] <thumper> babbageclunk: can you be a rubber duck again?
[20:48] <babbageclunk> yup - give me 2 mins? Just making a OR
[20:48] <babbageclunk> PR
[20:48] <thumper> sure, just join the release HO when you are ready
[21:02] <hml> PR review please?  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8379
[21:59] <babbageclunk> hml: looking
[22:00] <hml> babbageclunk: ty
[22:04] <babbageclunk> hml: approved
[22:05] <hml> babbageclunk: :-)


[20:35] <X7> If a package is maintained by MOTU, does this mean it doesn't have a single person maintaining it, but a whole group?
[20:37] <Unit193> Well, kinda really means it has no maintainer and just relies on syncs from Debian unless there's 'ubuntu' in the version.  Ubuntu as a whole operates under group/team maintaining packages though.  Eg, the server team has a set they're interested in.
[20:37] <Unit193> MOTU is basically a catch all, so unless someone has a specific interest they could often go neglected.
[20:39] <X7> Well some packages that are orphaned in debian are listed as MOTU developers as maintainers. Is that the same thing as saying that it's orphaned also? Because I don't like how debian maintainers can just drop it whenever even during a lifecycle of an OS release.
[20:42] <Unit193> Orphaned in Debian means everyone is free to upload, so basically means the same as MOTU in Ubuntu.
[20:46] <X7> I don't know if you can answer this, but if I paid for ubuntu pro, I'm no longer getting it from the community who may not be actually maintaining it, but I'm guaranteed support from canonical directly?
[20:47] <Unit193> Nope, not as far as I'm aware.  Canonical only covers main and restricted AFAIK.
[20:50] <Unit193> (Note: I'm not a core dev, I only have access to upload to universe.  But that does mean I've been around a little. :P)  In practice I *think* the security team sometimes convers something in universe, but don't quote me on that.
[20:58] <tumbleweed> you get no guarantees
[20:59] <X7> Unless I pay for the full pro subscription which includes security patches for universe tumbleweed. Only $25 dollars for one desktop? Not a bad deal.
[21:02] <rbasak> https://ubuntu.com/pro says it includes universe.
[21:02] <tumbleweed> it doesn't say the whole of universe, though
[21:02] <rbasak> https://ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-pro-description
[21:03] <rbasak> "Full Ubuntu Pro subscriptions also cover packages in the Ubuntu Universe repository between the Release date and End of Life. This coverage is not included in Ubuntu Pro (Infra-only) subcriptions, with or without support."
[21:03] <tumbleweed> cool :)
[21:04] <X7> It's sad to say, but volunteers simply don't have the resources or manpower to maintain an OS. That's why your only sane choices are either red hat or ubuntu because they have corporate backing.
[21:04] <tumbleweed> still "best effort", but it has to be, really
[21:04] <X7> There's 3 different tiers for pro, you have to pay for the highest one to no longer be best effort.
[21:04] <tumbleweed> X7: this is just security support, not everything it takes to maintain an OS
[21:04] <tumbleweed> generally there hasn't been that much community involvement in security
[21:05] <tumbleweed> a little more in OS development, but still not really enough to maintain universe properly
[21:08] <tumbleweed> it's a complex thing. volunteers generally don't have the resources to make commitments far into the future, especially for work that's not "fun". And companies don't have the resources to "waste" on things outside the areas they decide to focus their energy. And these focusses shift. So, to make it all work, you need a bit of both
[21:28] <Unit193> Gets even more fun when you file a security bug, attach a debdiff, then months go by and you still haven't heard anything. \o/
[21:31] <rbasak> :-(
[21:31] <rbasak> Any of those still outstanding?
[21:32] <Unit193> Yeah but I lost all interest in it, so no point following up.  I think Jammy was released since, so new LTS.
[21:32] <rbasak> If it happens again, please let me know and I'll chase.
[21:34] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atheme-services/+bug/1960097 no longer affects current LTS, I might as well close it.
[21:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-motu- Launchpad bug 1960097 in atheme-services (Ubuntu) "atheme-services impersonation vulnerability" [Undecided, New]
[21:36] <rbasak> ~ubuntu-security-sponsors wasn't subscribed to that.
[21:36] <rbasak> So it won't have shown up in the securty sponsorship queue
[21:36] <rbasak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue has details
[21:36] <Unit193> So I picked the wrong security thing to subscribe, nice.  User error, OK.
[21:37] <rbasak> Either way, please do chase when needed. Chasing will also identify user errors :)
[21:37] <Unit193> FWIW icecast2 uploads have always been accepted.
[21:48] <tumbleweed> rbasak: I have one that they are subscribed to :)
[21:48] <tumbleweed> but I chased last week, so I'll wait a little longer
[21:52] <Unit193> (FWIW, I had followed up on IRC on that bug.  Anyway.)


[00:06] <kalib> Hello, just updated my kubuntu and now my flash stoped working.
[00:06] <kalib> Any sugestion?
[00:07] <kalib> I have flashplugin-installer installed
[00:09] <owner_> nicksetup
[00:10] <Guest27331> Anyone good with openconnect? I can connect SSL and get a valid IP on my tun0 adapter but I cant ping anything on the vpn network.
[00:18] <kalib> anyone?
[00:18] <kalib> Hello, just updated my kubuntu and now my flash stoped working.
[00:19] <SWhetsel> apt-get update and then upgrade
[00:19] <SWhetsel> maybe flash needs updated
[01:58] <bejker> hello
[01:59] <bejker> anybody online?
[01:59] <daniel___> i'm
[02:00] <bejker> hi
[02:00] <daniel___> hi
[02:00] <bejker> did u know something about intel graphic and just only resolutnion 640x480?
[02:00] <bejker> how to change that
[02:00] <bejker> -.-
[02:01] <daniel___> you graphic card driver is not correct?
[02:01] <bejker> i don't know
[02:02] <bejker> i just instal kubuntu 12.04 lts
[02:02] <bejker> and it's fuckd
[02:03] <bejker> I install al of intel software frome repositories
[02:03] <bejker> all my screen is display on 1/4 screen size
[02:04] <daniel___> ubuntu linux include most comm driver for hardware , i think maybe your graphic card is too newer for ubuntu?
[02:04] <bejker> maby too old
[02:04] <daniel___> too old?
[02:04] <bejker> it's old laptop
[02:05] <bejker> when i have kernel 2.6.x all its work fine
[02:05] <bejker> but when i upgrade for 3.x kernell all is broke
[02:05] <daniel___> OK ,  i use an old laptop too
[02:07] <daniel___> i receive a tips from linux says that my moden card is not installed correct and Ubuntu can search the driver for me when i install 12.04
[02:07] <daniel___> do you receive the tips? appears on  the right of tops
[02:08] <bejker> yes
[02:08] <bejker> i dont have any of them
[02:08] <zhouxiukun> Pptpd I created on Ubuntu server, how to see connected users
[02:08] <bejker> so i think everything is ok
[02:08] <daniel___> besides the mail icon
[02:10] <bejker> i have that kind of graphic
[02:10] <bejker> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[02:10] <daniel___> try to find the correct driver for your graphic on inernet and install it
[02:10] <bejker> zhouxiukun:  try write ps aux and check
[02:11] <zhouxiukun> bejker:Specific
[02:12] <jdrs> maybe this will help same card http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/intel-82845g-graphics-controller-352262/
[02:13] <jdrs> uncomment that line of code
[02:13] <bejker> jdrs:  but i dont have xorg.conf
[02:14] <bejker> when i stop kdm/gdm
[02:14] <bejker> ind type X -configure to create that i have error
[02:18] <bejker> thise is my xorg.conf.0.log http://pastebin.com/3Q1yjCrk
[02:58] <unheeding> can anyone tell me why my laptop stopped waking up when i open the lid?
[02:59] <bejker> lid?
[02:59] <unheeding> flip the screen open
[03:00] <bejker> its normal?
[03:00] <bejker> u need press power button
[03:00] <unheeding> yeah that's what I have to do
[03:01] <bejker> but thise is  normal on any laptop
[03:01] <bejker> with any OS
[03:02] <unheeding> in windows it wakes from sleep when i open the lid
[03:02] <bejker> i dont know but my laptop is wake up when i press power button
[03:03] <bejker> and it's not mather is linux, windows or something else
[03:05] <bejker> if u open lid and on windows any time is wake up automatic
[03:05] <bejker> try on linux check power safe mode
[03:32] <nezumi_> howdy
[03:32] <nezumi_> any kubuntu master here to give a hand to a newbie that LOVES kubuntu so far but fails with knowledge?
[03:32] <DarthFrog> !ask
[03:36] <nezumi_> I dont really know how to get rid of this message: Failed to download http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/wacom-plus/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[03:36] <nezumi_> 404  Not Found   I tried to add wacom related ppa but god only knows what I did wrong - I am still learning. BTW - wacom tablet works perfect, just that message each time I am trying to update
[03:41] <tsimpson> nezumi_: open the Muon package manager, go to Settings -> Configure Software Sources, under Other Sources look for "http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/wacom-plus/ubuntu precise" and remove it. that should fix your problem
[03:41] <OerHeks> indeed, https://launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/wacom-plus has no precise packages
[03:48] <nezumi_> thanks it worked out just great. Anybody knows working ppa for wacom tablet or place I can look for it?
[03:49] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~irie/+archive/wacom does have precise packages .. but do you really need those, if it is working already?
[03:50] <DarthFrog> nezumi_: This really is one of those times where "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" really applies.
[03:51] <nezumi_> It wasnt working, I fixed it but problem is I dont remember how :D
[03:52] <DarthFrog> Go on to something else.
[03:52] <nezumi_> anyways last question - Not all packages could be marked for upgrade. The available upgrades may require new packages to be installed or removed. Do you want to mark upgrades that may require the installation or removal of additional packages?
[03:53] <DarthFrog> Your call but most folks would probably answer yes, unless they had a good reason not to.
[03:53] <OerHeks> Indeed.
[03:54] <nezumi_> I have three items to be "mark additional changes" - I click ok and this thing comes back again. I would be more specyfic if I knew whats going on - all I see is that something went wrong
[03:54] <nezumi_> hate to be that newbie - sorry ;)
[03:56] <nezumi_> ok, I see it is updating so... lets see what will happen.   You'll soon have the confidence to not need hand-holding.  You'll know that time has arrived when you answer a non-trivial question from another newbie. :-)
[03:57] <OerHeks> nezumi_, thank you for asking, now you can pass pn good info.
[04:39] <cyt93cs_> Hi there, I am tring to use kdesrc-build (on Kubuntu) to build nepomuk-core, but I got error message about missing package: Soprano Virtuoso Backend
[04:39] <cyt93cs_> After searching for a while and installed some packages, but I still cannot find which is the correct package name...
[04:51] <[Relic]> is 4.9 considered pretty stable or would I be better off  waiting for when it is put into the normal repositories?
[04:56] <shumski> cyt93cs_: did you compile soprano yourself, or are using kubuntu packages?
[04:57] <shumski> [Relic]: what would be normal reposotories?
[05:03] <[Relic]> whatever ones are installed with the normal install of 12.04, do I wait for 12.10 (figuring it would be in that version)
[05:05] <cyt93cs_> shumski: I use kubuntu package: libsoprano-dev libsoprano4 soprano-daemon
[05:06] <shumski> [Relic]: 4.9 will/is available in backports PPA or new Kubuntu version (12.10), not with 'plain' Kubuntu 12.04
[05:07] <shumski> cyt93cs_: well, that should be OK
[05:07] <shumski> cyt93cs_: do you have full log?
[05:07] <cyt93cs_> shumski: sure, wait a moment
[05:08] <cyt93cs_> shumski: http://paste.kde.org/544268/
[05:09] <shumski> cyt93cs_: you built soprano from master branch: Found Soprano: /home/yenting/kde4/include  (found version "2.8.50"
[05:10] <shumski> cyt93cs_: that's OK, but you obviously haven't build virtuoso backend
[05:10] <shumski> s/build/built
[05:11] <cyt93cs_> shumski: do i have to build virtuoso backend from source, or could i fullfill the dependency by installing some -dev package?
[05:12] <cyt93cs_> shumski: after searching for the virtuoso keyword: I got this http://paste.kde.org/544274/
[05:12] <shumski> cyt93cs_: you can with the packages you have, but you need to remove your self-compiled soprano, and then rebuild everything that got built against it
[05:13] <shumski> cyt93cs_: kdelibs, etc
[05:16] <cyt93cs_> shumski: thanks for the information. I will try to remove the soprano from .kdesrc-buildrc, and rebuild again.
[05:17] <shumski> cyt93cs_: or you can build soprano, but with virtuoso backend
[05:18] <shumski> cyt93cs_: you need unixodbc-dev for that to build
[05:20] <cyt93cs_> shumski: thank you very much! build time!
[05:20] <shumski> cyt93cs_: no problem ;-)
[05:24] <shumski> cyt93cs_: it needs to look like this http://paste.kde.org/544286/ (for virtuso backend to get built)
[07:27] <nezumi_> whats "AkonadiTray"
[07:31] <nezumi_> ok I got what is it but is it have to be ON? It says that Akonadi server has been stopped..
[08:51] <Thecaptain2000> hi. the graphic login is broken on my system,  to get to use it I need to ask for console login and , once logged in do startx. Is there a way to "reinstall" the graphic login option?
[08:52] <Smurphy> you need to install the kdm part ?
[08:53] <Thecaptain2000> not sure, the symptom is the one I described
[08:53] <Thecaptain2000> if that were the case, how do I do it?
[08:54] <Smurphy> Check out if kdm is running: $ ps auxw | grep kdm
[08:54] <Smurphy> should return you that the process kdm is running.
[08:55] <Smurphy> If it is not running - it could be it is not running/installed.
[08:55] <Smurphy> To install it, in a console type: sudo apt-get install kdm
[08:57] <Thecaptain2000> kdm is already the newest version.
[08:57] <Thecaptain2000> is there a way to force a re-install?
[08:57] <Thecaptain2000> what happens, to be precise is if I try to log in graphi9cally, something happen, like a terminal windows appear and then I am back at the graphical prompt
[08:58] <Thecaptain2000> sorry I had to be more specific
[08:58] <Thecaptain2000> to begin with
[09:02] <ussher_> Thecaptain2000:  I had a similar issue a while back, tried to find the solution in the logs but cant, so from memory.  there were 2 kdm's in the startup one was from trinity which i never fully got installed or rid of.  remebber having to choose the right kdm from a menu
[09:05] <Thecaptain2000> ussher_: tx I will have a look
[09:06] <ussher_> sorry its not a very good explanation.
[09:06] <Thecaptain2000> althought I never had trinity on my system
[09:07] <ussher_> that was me getting annoyed with the activities cashews.  wanted to go back to simpler stuff.
[09:09] <ussher_> just a thought though.  the graphical login might be configured to point to he wrong place.  I had to change shells start kdm then come back to the normal one and the desktop ran.
[09:11] <ussher_> when i do 'history' it only shows me back to the 800's  if you know a way to get older history, perhaps the commands are back then?
[09:12] <Smurphy> TheAncientGoat: you sure that s the issue ?
[10:41] <lllinux> Hello, how do I edit the colour of the window panel (bottom panel). It's slightly transparent as default, and doesn't go well with my desktop background.
[10:43] <Tm_T> lllinux: that comes from plasma theme, you can configure it from system settings -> Workspace Appearance -> Desktop Theme
[11:15] <ruedii> Hello, I somehow lost my grub installation.  I was wondering if anyone knew how to reinstall it from the livecd
[11:17] <monkeyjuice> http://www.webtechquery.com/index.php/2010/04/install-grub2-from-live-cd/
[11:18] <monkeyjuice> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing here is another
[11:32] <ruedii> It seems to fail with "Couldn't open either sysfs or procfs directories for accessing EFI variables"
[11:52] <ruedii> The problem is clearly that there are some missing steps in the guide, becuase I'm running UEFI.  I need to have instructions for a UEFI system.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[12:37] <llb608> 有人？
[12:38] <llb608> hi
[12:38] <BluesKaj> !cn
[13:19] <mime> hello ppl, im configuring a config file were they need the acpi cpu temp, but the file were it should be readed, i dont know were it is, any help? thnx
[13:20] <BluesKaj> mime, which config file ?
[13:21] <Riddell> find /sys/ -name temp   maybe
[13:21] <mime> one from another wm, but should be found in the tree. is a fvwm-crystal one, with default acpi recipe
[13:26] <mime> Riddell, i type that u said in konsole, but says permission denied, and added to the script, it just still the ''?'' sign wre temperature should be
[13:27] <mime> i get that in konsole after i type that in :   /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone1/temp
[13:29] <Riddell> mime: I don't know I'm afraid, time to resort to google or mailing lists
[13:30] <mime> yes, im tired of doing it, is that the old recipe links to an old temp archive wich points to another
[13:30] <mime> thnx anyway
[13:30] <Pici> mime: You can also try asking in #ubuntu, as the problem is likely not confined to just Kubuntu
[13:31] <mime> ok
[13:31] <mime> i cant believe no one had this problem with the popular default acpi recipe
[13:56] <markit> hi, I want to upgrade from 11.04 to 12.04, I've updated the system 11.04, then rebooted , then alt+f2 and enter "update-manager -d" but seems that the command is not present
[13:56] <markit> even if Iì've the update-manager-core and -kde installed
[13:56] <markit> what is wrong?
[14:00] <tsimpson> markit: upgrade instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu
[14:00] <tsimpson> rather https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu/10.04LTS (for LTS->LTS)
[14:04] <markit> tsimpson: thanks, I did with update-manager last time though
[14:06] <tsimpson> the upgrade software changed in the meantime
[14:12] <markit> I also disabled the upgrade, so now is not able to find the new version
[14:12] <markit> (I did not to scare the users abut updates)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> just enable it
[14:20] <markit> BluesKaj: everything seems ok, I've enabled in muon the check for lts, also for every one... but seems not to find any update
[14:21] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:23] <markit> I tried do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d
[14:23] <markit> but says "no update available"
[14:24] <markit> OK
[14:24] <markit> now works, maybe I tried before enabling check in moun
[14:24] <markit> BluesKaj: thanks a lot
[14:25] <BluesKaj> markit, why the "-m desktop -f kde"
[14:25] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:25] <markit> I've no idea, I've found googling that your line is for servers, and for desktop you need to specify those two params
[14:25] <markit> also here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu that you gave me
[14:25] <markit> at step 6 you see the screen shot
[14:26] <markit> about what is really doing
[14:26] <BluesKaj> really ? I've used the  sudo do-release-upgrade -d, several times without a problem for my desktop
[14:26] <markit> well, now that you know, things will break soon ;P
[14:27] <markit> mmm I've some scaring error messages on the terminal, I do cross my fingers
[14:28] <BluesKaj> markit, my upgrade went very smoothly from 11.10 to 12.04
[14:28] <markit> but I did sudo -s
[14:28] <markit> and then the command
[14:28] <markit> instead of sudo command
[14:28] <BluesKaj> ahh root
[14:29] <markit> yep
[14:29] <markit> better abort the upgrade?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> dunno, never tried it with sudo -s
[14:30] <markit> mm same errors, so maybe did not minded
[14:30] <markit> (about /var/cache/kdecache-user being own by uid 0 instead of 1000)
[14:31] <BluesKaj> markit, yeah , I've seen that error , just ignore it
[14:31] <markit> there is also a "mirror not found"
[14:31] <markit> I close my eyes also ;P
[14:31] <BluesKaj> heh
[14:33] <flametai1> So can somebody enlighten me?
[14:33] <flametai1> I'm debating on whether I want to use Gnome or KDE, would anyone be willing to explain to me why KDE would be better than Gnome?
[14:34] <hateball> !best
[14:34] <DarthFrog> KDE is much more configurable than GNOME, much more a power users environment.
[14:34] <DarthFrog> GNOME is for those who don't care about such things.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> flametai1, you have to try it first . altho if you're coming over from windows, then it's more familiar
[14:35] <Smurphy> GNOME is for those who want someone to tell them what and how to do it :)
[14:35] <tsimpson> try both, see what you like
[14:35] <BluesKaj> flametai1, and DarthFrog and Smurphy are correct
[14:35] <tsimpson> choice and all that :)
[14:36] <flametai1> I understand it's more familiar but I prefer the look of Gnome but like some of the features in KDE lol
[14:36] <flametai1> It's such a difficult choice.
[14:36] <DarthFrog> But not a permanent one.  Spend time in both environments and see which one works best for you.
[14:36] <tsimpson> well there's nothing stopping you from using GNOME/Gtk apps in KDE, or KDE/Qt apps in GNOME
[14:37] <tsimpson> mix and match what you like
[14:37] <BluesKaj> flametai1, oh , you like animations and cartoons :)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> just my opinion of course ...the gnome/unity "look" never appealed to me , all that brown and orange etc
[14:40] <BluesKaj> but kde is way more configurable in practically every way , which is the most important aspect, flametai1
[14:41] <tsimpson> it's worth noting that you can make KDE look like GNOME or Unity without too much hassle
[14:44] <DarthFrog> Also, it seems that the KDE developers are more interested in extending the capabilities of the desktop metaphor to further empower their users.  GNOME, on the other hand, seems determined to reduce the desktop choices to a simple turning on or off of your computer.
[14:48] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, using the MS psychology ..dumb it down for the masses
[14:48] <DarthFrog> Well, it worked for them in the past.  :-)  Apple did it better, though.
[14:49] <xmfs> hello
[14:49] <xmfs> where i can find a .deb for kopete-xfire?
[14:50] <equex> i don't mind dumbing things down for the masses, but there should be an 'expert mode' switch that is easy to find. as much as 'classic' desktops needs experts to use them.. i know plenty of noncomputer people who has stumbled across ubuntu 8,9 and 10 that uses it as if it were windows
[14:51] <DarthFrog> equex: Hey, if it works for them, so much the better.
[14:52] <BluesKaj> xmfs, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Xfire+for+Kopete+%28kopete-xfire%29?content=124073
[14:54] <xmfs> BluesKaj, thankyou but i was not able to compile the source :/
[14:54] <BluesKaj> xmfs, it's aplugin so i doubt there's a deb
[14:58] <xmfs> BluesKaj, but there are no binaries for download
[14:59] <BluesKaj> xmfs, did you install build-essential for compiling apps from source ?
[15:02] <OerHeks> xmfs, looking easy > http://code.google.com/p/kopete-xfire/wiki/CompilingFromSource
[15:03] <xmfs> i have cmake und gcc installed
[15:04] <DarthFrog> not good enough.
[15:04] <DarthFrog> You need to install build-essential.
[15:04] <xmfs> ok, i try it :-)
[15:13] <xmfs> http://pastebin.com/8VAExeL4
[15:17] <BluesKaj> xmfs, did yo lok at the readme and the install textfiles included with the app ? ..you need to make a dir first before make install
[15:17] <BluesKaj> lool
[15:17] <BluesKaj> oops look at
[15:17] <tsimpson> xmfs: that appears to be a bug in the code, http://code.google.com/p/kopete-xfire/issues/detail?id=4
[15:18] <tsimpson> if you look at the "make-tarball.txt" attachment, the output matches yours
[15:20] <xmfs> ok, so i try the good old method :)
[15:23] <sponk> hi
[15:40] <harry_> I have Kubuntu 11.04 and Firefox 15.0. I have a continuous problem with the adobe flash player plugin only working on some you tube videos . How can I fix this problem?
[15:46] <harry_> has anyone had the same problem that I have with adobe flash plugin not working on several websites and then working on others? I have tried just about every suggestion  with out much success!
[15:55] <ken_> I have an annoying problem... My wireless connection keeps resetting... Any idea how to fi this?
[16:34] <jupp> tach primatenpartei äh tschuld piratenpartei!
[16:35] <jupp> sind piraten anwesend?
[16:41] <Smurphy> piraten ? Wasndas ?
[17:05] <markit> I'm upgrading from 11.04 to 12.04, the installer is still at "onfiguring update-notifier-common", I think is in stall, or is asking for something but I can't see the question
[17:05] <markit> how can I solve this?
[17:06] <markit> maybe it found that I've changed some config and, if it were an apt-get upgrade, would ask if keep the customized values or override with distro ones
[17:06] <markit> (Is just my guess)
[17:14] <markit> boh, seems is stuck in download ms fonst from source forge
[17:15] <markit> ok, now graphically asked me about that configuration! took a LOT of time
[17:40] <BluesKaj> mmark  if you've edited some files in nano or vi like sudoers then you 'll be asked to either keep the edited file or let the new one overwrite it ..I usually keep the file , by saying No to the default over write
[17:40] <markit> mmm in this other pc seems that wants to advance me from 11.04 to 11.10, not 12.04!
[17:40] <markit> BluesKaj: I know, but was tuck for 1 hour or maybe more
[17:42] <BluesKaj> 11.04 to 11.10 is the logical step
[17:43] <markit> BluesKaj: urgh, but the other identical pc went to 12.04
[17:43] <markit> or I was so dumb that I installed one with 10.04 and the other with 11.10 without noticing?
[17:44]  * markit thinks everything is possible
[17:44] <markit> BluesKaj: do you mean that if I want to go for 12.04, I have to pass to 11.10 and then go to 12.04?
[17:45] <genii-around> markit: LTS versions can go straight to the next available LTS version eg: 8.04 can go straight to 10.04, 10.04 can go straight to 12.04. But intermediate versions must do the incremental route.
[17:46] <markit> genii-around: ah! so in the other PC I did a double update
[17:46] <markit> (was interrupted by a electricity blackout... so maybe when I re-run the program did the second step)
[17:47] <markit> mm  but I'm on natty, isnt't 11.10?
[17:48] <markit> so it wants to go from 11.10 to... 11.10
[17:48] <markit> ok, natty is 11.04
[17:49]  * markit too tired
[17:52] <BluesKaj> ok , bbiab ...mail lady just filled my postbox
[17:55]  * monkeyjuice sent BluesKaj all his bill too
[17:57] <BluesKaj> heh monkeyjuice no bills , just junkmail and flyers
[18:09] <monkeyjuice> BluesKaj:  cant get network folder to work again thru ssh   i can ssh in terminal but not make folder ?
[18:11] <monkeyjuice> nm hmmm got it work , whats the fish protocol?
[18:11] <dahlia> I want to install latest nvidia driver but it says I need to exit the X server first. How do I do that?
[18:12] <Smurphy> dahlia: <alt>-F1
[18:12] <dahlia> ty
[18:13] <Smurphy> then you are at a console. To go back to X - <alt>-F7
[18:13] <Smurphy> Sorry - from within X: <Ctrl>-<alt>-F1
[18:13] <Smurphy> Fropm the console: <alt>-F7
[18:13] <BluesKaj> !fish | monkeyjuice
[18:13] <dahlia> I did that but it still says the x server is running
[18:14] <dahlia> I need to kill it completely I think
[18:14] <monkeyjuice> sftp protocol did not work BluesKaj ?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, what error , are you getting with ssh ?
[18:18] <monkeyjuice> Unable to connect to server.  Please check your settings and try again.
[18:19] <monkeyjuice> change protocol from sftp to fish and it works?
[18:19] <monkeyjuice> just dontknow what fish is
[18:23] <monkeyjuice> funny sftp works in terminal
[18:23] <BluesKaj> !info fish
[18:24] <monkeyjuice> well it works ;) just dont know why sftp dont oh well
[18:28] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, what are you trying to do with sftp ?
[18:28] <monkeyjuice> its the protocol the network folder trys to use and fails
[18:28] <monkeyjuice> change the protocol to fish and it works thats all
[18:30] <BluesKaj> yeah , I used ssh in the terminal and found it easier with X forwarding
[18:31] <monkeyjuice> how do you use x forwarding
[18:31] <monkeyjuice> ssh -x name@ip
[18:33] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:34] <goodtime> anyone remeber the name of that movie were john travolta and holly berry and that dude who plays wolverine is a hacker?
[18:34] <goodtime> anyone remember/
[18:34] <goodtime> ??
[18:35] <BluesKaj> goodtime, this isn't the chat to ask that question
[18:35] <BluesKaj> try a movie chat
[18:36] <goodtime> ok ty
[18:41] <goodtime> anyone know wy dolphin file manager has a way of the trash disapearing?
[18:41] <goodtime> why*
[18:42] <goodtime> should i just remove it and reinstall it?
[18:43] <goodtime> i have midnight commander to delete but dolphin cannot and it says the trash is full but it is nowere tobe found
[18:43] <TheLordOfTime> goodtime:  check in ~/.trash ?
[18:43] <TheLordOfTime> did you check*
[18:43] <goodtime> yes
[18:43] <goodtime> its not there
[18:43] <goodtime> trash has disappeared
[18:43] <yofel> it should be ~/.local/share/Trash
[18:44] <goodtime> i know,its just gone
[18:44] <yofel> what does dolphin say in the trash settings?
[18:44] <goodtime> i did a install of kubuntu on my little notebook and the samething happened
[18:44] <goodtime> the trash is gone
[18:45] <goodtime> disappeard
[18:45] <yofel> right, but in dolphin Settings->configure dolphin... -> Trash
[18:45] <goodtime> nowere tobe found ok
[18:45] <goodtime> ill try that yofel
[18:46] <goodtime> yeah it just gone
[18:46] <goodtime> it's*
[18:46] <goodtime> wtf
[18:47] <BluesKaj> goodtime, did you look in the panel widgets
[18:47] <goodtime> nope hangon
[18:48] <goodtime> heh yeah its gone
[18:48] <goodtime> im kinda affraid to uninstall it
[18:48] <goodtime> i didi alot of work on this os
[18:49] <BluesKaj> type trash in the add widget search
[18:49] <goodtime> ok
[18:50] <BluesKaj> or in krunner
[18:50] <goodtime> ok found it there
[18:50] <goodtime> ty
[18:50] <goodtime> :)
[18:50] <goodtime> and its fixed
[18:50] <BluesKaj> yw
[18:50] <goodtime> sweet
[18:50] <goodtime> ty very much
[18:51] <BluesKaj> you shgould be able to configure it in krunner as well , add it to dolphin etc
[18:51] <goodtime> hmmm nice
[18:51] <goodtime> yeah ive finaly found the linux os i like
[18:51] <goodtime> and kubuntu is it
[18:52] <goodtime> the gui is cool
[18:52] <kylie> Shell scripting question?
[18:52] <goodtime> runs real smooth on this pc too
[18:52] <goodtime> snappy
[18:52] <BluesKaj> welcome to the kubuntu realm :)
[18:52] <goodtime> ty :)
[18:53] <goodtime> i like the client for irc too
[18:53] <goodtime> konversation
[18:53] <yofel> kylie: go ahead, someone will answer if they can help you
[18:53] <kylie> It's pretty basic, this is my first project ever.
[18:53] <goodtime> yes we will kylie
[18:53] <kylie> When appending two files together from separate directories
[18:54] <goodtime> and
[18:54] <goodtime> ........
[18:54] <BluesKaj> konversation is easy to use and configure ...I still use it despite the move to quassel , which is ok but not exactly eye candy
[18:54] <kylie> I run the code, which looks like so: http://pastie.org/4669669
[18:55] <goodtime> try cd next
[18:55] <kylie> I get an error that states
[18:55] <yofel> that'll just create kopies of the files from dir1 in dir2
[18:55] <kylie> "dir2/dir1/uninteresting.txt: No such file or directory"
[18:55] <goodtime> try cd /"change directory
[18:55] <kylie> to where? I'm in the directory that holds both dir1 and dir2.
[18:55] <goodtime> cd
[18:55] <goodtime> dir
[18:56] <goodtime> cd then dir
[18:56] <yofel> if you glob for "dir1/*" then f will be dir1/file1, dir1/file2, dir1/file3, etc...
[18:56] <kylie> so, just shave the "dir1/*" away?
[18:56] <yofel> thus dir2/$f -> dir2/dir1/fileX
[18:56] <goodtime> wouldnt hurt kylie
[18:57] <goodtime> yofel: is right
[18:57] <kylie> That is what I was trying to understand, thanks.
[18:57] <goodtime> np
[18:57] <yofel> you could use $(basename $f) which should just leave the filename
[18:57] <goodtime> hmmm nice
[18:57] <kylie> in place of f?
[18:57] <yofel> in place of f yes
[18:58] <kylie> hmm, intruiging.
[18:58] <kylie> This is all still a little confusing, but I'll try to work through it now. :P
[18:59] <kylie> Thanks~
[18:59] <goodtime> http://khanacademy.desk.com/
[18:59] <goodtime> this is soooo cool
[20:30] <BarkingFish> Evening all :)
[20:30] <kylie> Hallo
[20:33] <BluesKaj> hey BarkingFish:)
[20:33] <BluesKaj> hi kylie
[20:35] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, how did your test go ?
[20:36] <BarkingFish> won't know until friday :)
[20:36] <kylie> What sort of test?
[20:36] <BarkingFish> medical examination :)
[20:37] <kylie> Ahh~
[20:39]  * BluesKaj stays away from doctors ...they want to medicate me for no reason except my age ..."you don't take meds ?" they say to me in disbelief ,I just shake my head ..I don't go looking for something I don't need
[20:41] <kylie> It's like doctors get paid to perscribe medication.
[20:42] <BluesKaj> Canadian doctors don't overprescribe like American doictors , but they're getting closer
[20:42] <BluesKaj> distributors for big pharma
[20:43] <Smo_> howdy, how is everyone on this fine day
[20:44] <Smo_> no? ok
[20:44] <kylie> Befuddled?
[20:44] <BluesKaj> t-storms here atm ...no BBQ today
[20:45] <Smo_> why are you befuddled kylie
[20:45] <kylie> Why should I prefer to use Bash scripting over Python?
[20:46] <Smo_> it depends on what you are writing
[20:46] <kylie> I'm aware.
[20:46] <Smo_> what are you trying to make?
[20:46] <kylie> A script that takes two directories with files of the same names and append said similar named files atop of another and put it into a new directory.
[20:47] <Smo_> python
[20:48] <kylie> I want to.
[20:48] <kylie> I love python, but I have to learn Bash
[20:48] <Smo_> im taking a class on bash
[20:49] <kylie> oh?
[20:49] <Smo_> i have a class in 3 hours actually
[20:49] <kylie> Mind helping me with two lines of code I can't figure out
[20:49] <kylie> TWO LINES.
[20:49] <Smo_> sure
[20:49] <kylie> TWO.
[20:49] <kylie> othanks. :x
[20:49] <FloodBotK1> kylie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:50] <kylie> I usually do.
[20:50] <kylie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187823/
[20:51] <kylie> Sorry, meant to only do 16 & 17
[20:51] <kylie> I asked for help earlier, but I didn't have time to clear up my issue before
[20:51] <Smo_> whats the error
[20:51] <Smo_> like what is the problem
[20:52] <kylie> Sorry
[20:52] <kylie> At like 16 & 17, the script is supposed to take files from dir1 and append them over to dir2
[20:52] <kylie> but for some reason
[20:53] <kylie> it keeps looking for a directory called dir2/dir1
[20:53] <Smo_> hmm
[20:53] <kylie> instead of transferring things from dir2 to dir1
[20:54] <Smo_> i got this, gimme a second
[20:54] <kylie> Aight?
[20:57] <Smo_> so it cant find directory dir2? you have no path for it yeah? put tilde slash, i think
[20:59] <Smo_> or ./
[20:59] <kylie> Hmm, that might work.
[20:59] <kylie> Let's se.
[21:00] <Smo_> OH
[21:00] <Smo_> #!/bin/bash
[21:00] <Smo_> derp
[21:00] <kylie> OH FML.
[21:01] <yofel> kylie: you misunderstood me, basename belongs in line 17, not 16
[21:01] <kylie> I fixed it
[21:01] <kylie> one moment
[21:01] <kylie> Allow me to show you
[21:01] <kylie> http://pastie.org/4670249
[21:02] <yofel> yeah, that'll work
[21:02] <kylie> Lemme try it.
[21:02] <yofel> now the question is what you are trying to do
[21:03] <kylie> Hmm
[21:03] <yofel> as here you might as well use cp instead of cat
[21:03] <kylie> I need to append files of the same name from different directories together
[21:03] <kylie> And now I got this error
[21:03] <kylie> cat: dir1/dir1: No such file or directory
[21:04] <Smo_> you put #!/bin/bash?
[21:04] <kylie> Yes.
[21:04] <kylie> the hell happened to my code
[21:04] <Smo_> did you give dir2 a path?
[21:05] <kylie> uno momento
[21:06] <yofel> looks like dir1 has no contents
[21:07] <kylie> dir1 does have contents
[21:07] <kylie> they are unzipped and I look and they are there and aaahhh
[21:09] <Smo_> if you were using python it would tell you exactly what you are doing wrong
[21:09] <Smo_> just putting that out there
[21:09] <kylie> I know
[21:10] <kylie> Python
[21:10] <kylie> would be so much easier for me
[21:15] <CannedOwl> now this program isn't confusing at all...
[21:16] <kylie> Mine?
[21:16] <kylie> It's my first, and I'm very befuddled.
[21:16] <kylie> I think it shows through.
[21:16] <CannedOwl> ?
[21:16] <kylie> NVM.
[21:16] <CannedOwl> Confusion abound with me
[21:16] <kylie> What program?
[21:16] <CannedOwl> Quassel
[21:16] <kylie> So much confusion in you?
[21:17] <CannedOwl> Yes
[21:37] <CannedOwl> Is there anyone here that can help me out with something?
[21:38] <BluesKaj> CannedOwl, ask away
[21:38] <BarkingFish> CannedOwl, sure. What do you need?
[21:38] <CannedOwl> I am a new Kubuntu user, so I was trying to install 12.04.1 on my desktop.
[21:39] <CannedOwl> The problem is, it doesn't boot from the cd
[21:39] <CannedOwl> unless I do the NoModeSet thing.  I think it might have something to do with drivers for my graphics card (GTX 550 Ti)
[21:40] <CannedOwl> And when I look for different drivers, I can't find anything.  Someone suggested that I look into the Additional drivers area, but nothing comes up.
[21:41] <BarkingFish> That's quite possible.  When you get to booting, before you actually start to boot, try this - press escape to get to the grub menu, then press e to edit the entry you're booting.
[21:41] <BluesKaj> CannedOwl, that's an ATI card , correct ?
[21:41] <CannedOwl> No, nVidia
[21:41] <BluesKaj> oh
[21:42] <BarkingFish> I changed a couple of things in my boot setting, which seemed to help - I switched off the splash, set a verbose boot, and set noplymouth too.  The boot started working after that.
[21:42] <BarkingFish> basically, what I run now is a boot with no logo, text only, and it proceeds to pass into kde without incident.
[21:42] <CannedOwl> OK, I'll try that.  I wanted to know because I don't want to physically install it if it won't work.  It installed without a hitch on my laptop though...
[21:43] <BluesKaj> CannedOwl, odd that the there aren't any additional drivers for that nvidia card ..., alt+rf2 , then type jockey
[21:44] <BluesKaj> alt +f2
[21:44] <BarkingFish> the options you need to set are  nosplash  verbose  noplymouth   which may just do the trick for you, you will see a couple of entries in the boot line regarding a splash and plymouth, so either edit them to what I suggested, or remove them and type the extra bits in
[21:44] <CannedOwl> I didn't see any..
[21:44] <CannedOwl> OK then
[21:45] <BarkingFish> you could also add nomodeset to the boot line too
[21:45] <CannedOwl> It booted when I did nomodeset, but the resolution was stuck at 1024x768 I believe
[21:45] <CannedOwl> and saw no options ofr 1600x900
[21:47] <CannedOwl> Thanks for the help, I'll try that once I copy that down onto my laptop
[21:48] <BarkingFish> CannedOwl, i'm pretty sure you can edit your grub config to add those lines in at boot, so you don't have to edit the boot line everytime you start up, but I can't recall how - it's a long time since I did mine :)
[21:48] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, any ideas?
[21:52] <CannedOwl> Also, where might I find proper nVidia drivers after I install Kubuntu?
[21:52] <BluesKaj> CannedOwl, run , sudo apt-get install nvidia-current , in a terminal. then reboot ...if you don't have any luck . follow BarkingFish's sugestions , that graphics card should work withe nvidia-current driver , since nvidai lists the same driver for linux on it's site
[21:53] <CannedOwl> hmm... I remember trying that when I was booting from the CD.  I'll do that once it gets installed
[21:54] <CannedOwl> now I shall log on with my laptop
[21:54] <BluesKaj> CannedOwl, no need to reinstall the OS
[21:54] <CannedOwl> okay then
[21:55] <BluesKaj> just run the nvidia install c9ommand and reboot
[21:55] <CannedOwl> alright then
[21:55] <BluesKaj> oh wel
[21:55] <BluesKaj> ok good
[21:56] <CannedOwl> I'll get the thing on there and come back if I have any other questions.  Thanks for the help!
[22:02] <BluesKaj> BBL ..dinnertime