 Wow, that's an example of great search skill 😀 I can confirm commenting out that line fixed openbox wallpaper/window draw issue without having to click on picom. Thank you.
 Could you please consider enabling this fix at distribution level, instead of user edit? (re @HMollerCl: here https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=7693.0)
 'you' as in team 😊
 Can't believe I missed this: https://blog.launchpad.net/general/comment-editing-is-now-possible
 Wow - tks for pointing that out -how many times have I wanted to edit a bug report comment.. (re @RikMills: Can't believe I missed this: https://blog.launchpad.net/general/comment-editing-is-now-possible)
 and it works! (re @Leokolb: Wow - tks for pointing that out -how many times have I wanted to edit a bug report comment..)
 That is really cool! Twitter you are next... (re @RikMills: Can't believe I missed this: https://blog.launchpad.net/general/comment-editing-is-now-possible)


[00:07] <Guest40087> hi all
[10:19] <Wiz> hi. I have problems with Kubuntu 18.04. The live USB was crashing after a few time, I tried with "nomodeset" and it was working (I gave a nvidia GTX 1050m gpu). I upgraded my 17.10 kubuntu on my pc to 18.04 and the system won't start. nomodeset gives the same result. I can switch to another windo (ctrl+alt+f2) and logon in text mode, I updated, tried removing nvidia, reinstalling drivers, and always the same, no graphics display.
[10:19] <Wiz> nouveau drivers won't work either
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:19] <break19> is there not a netboot for kubuntu, or just use the ubuntu image for that? My system doesnt get along with my usb keyboard, OR my TV-turned-monitor until it's past the POST stage, so I'd rather be able to just add this to my existing grub2 (i'm currently using fedora, and am going to try (k)ubuntu to see if civ5-native works there. it doesnt here)
[15:21] <break19> I've preferred KDE to gnome for a long time. like.. back when gnome was just still gnome-panel :P
[15:27] <Aasif> how to use custom include paths in cmake/kdevelop
[16:11] <Guest72448> ciaooooo
[16:11] <gianni__> ciaooo
[16:12] <gianni__> list
[16:29] <BluesKaj> !list | gianni__
[16:30] <BluesKaj> !it | gianni__
[17:39] <anqxyr> hey, maybe somebody can help me with this
[17:40] <anqxyr> not always, but more often than not, when I launch a game via steam, my task bar gets "frozen", and only shows the windows and time as they were when the game was launched
[17:41] <anqxyr> closing the game fixes it, relaunching it sends it back to the first "freeze"
[17:54] <DranikProgrammer> I suppose most people just auto-connect here because of using Konversation :)
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> anqxyr: hi
[18:03] <anqxyr> hi
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> anqxyr: it happens to me too
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> anqxyr: when I launch long dark game the screen freezes.
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> anqxyr: what I do is i use alt+tab and the desktop comes back, what you see as frozen is not the desktop, but actually the frozen game window, when you wait for sometime with the frozen window, it will load after sometime
[18:05] <anqxyr> nah, this happened with windowed games
[18:05] <anqxyr> the game itself works fine
[18:05] <anqxyr> other programs work fine
[18:06] <anqxyr> the toolbar "works", but doesn't update
[18:06] <anqxyr> so if I click on some place in it, it'll open the program I clicked on as it should, but not necessarily the one that was show to be on toolbar in that place
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> I do like this, first lauch the game, game freezes, I press alt+tab, I can see the desktop, then I switch to the frozen game, I see hdd led activity, I wait for sometime, then game loads
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> anqxyr: does this happen with any non steam games?
[18:09] <anqxyr> I don't have any to try
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> anqxyr: 0 ad?
[18:11]  * anqxyr shrugs
[18:11] <anqxyr> I'll find something and try it later
[18:11] <anqxyr> have to go now, sorry
[18:11] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[19:40] <vegii> Hi. My inegrated audio is damaged, so I've been using some crappy PCI soundcard for the last couple of months and I recently found an old but possibly less crappy Creative SoundBlaster live. I've seen it listed in the PCI devices section in hardinfo, but I couldn't get audio output, as if it wasn't recognized although it seemed to use the kernel module snd_emu10kx. I just rebooted and I can no longer see it in hardinfo, so I'll reseat the PCI card, brb...
[19:51] <vegii> oh, that's all that was needed
[19:52] <vegii> A good rubbing with some isopropyl alcohol on the PCI connector and reseating
[19:54] <vegii> It's very cool that it just works and it's even used by default. Thanks :)
[20:38] <Hg200> using 16.04.4 LTS, i've got a strange bug that wasn't there last time i booted up. i have two panels, one on bottom and one on the left. the left-side panel has windows go under it instead of next to it. i can move it to the right, or i can have the windows go over instead, or it can hide, but it refuses to do 'always visible' properly on the left side.
[20:38] <Hg200> all the stuff i found searching is hella old; like from 2008 to like 2015 at latest.
[20:38] <Hg200> the thing is i haven't updated anything before having this happen that i noticed
[20:46] <valorie> Hg200: you might look in ~/.config or ~/.local and see if you can find the file that controls that
[20:46] <valorie> they are just text files and can be edited
[20:47] <valorie> vegii: good to hear some alcohol was the cure
[20:47] <valorie> that sometimes isn't the case in life
[20:47] <valorie> :-)
[23:09] <Hg200> valorie: ah, thanks
[23:31] <Hg200> i was just having our weekly D&D game so i wasn't checking irc when you replied
[23:32] <Hg200> ..i need to open up the config files i guess and mess with it. i'd swear i've had this issue before and fixed it but that was years ago and a different version
[23:32] <valorie> they aren't too much trouble to edit
[23:33] <valorie> easier than when they were in ~/.kde
[23:33] <valorie> but sometimes you have to hunt in both config and local


[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83125 in equivs (universe) "FTBFS: debian/rules: whitespace issue in POD rules" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83125
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83126 in abiword (main) "Incorrect keyboard mapping used for shortcuts when xorg.conf's "XkbLayout" has multiple mappings." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83126
[12:25] <tsmithe> /hug coNP
[12:25] <coNP> lol
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83127 in supertuxkart (universe) ".desktop file missing" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83127
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83129 in rhythmbox (main) "audio streams repeat continuously when ended" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83129
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83128 in gedit (main) "Gedit crashes after certain mouse clicks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83128
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83130 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83130
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83131 in Ubuntu "kernel oops booting herd3 desktop powerpc cd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83131
[12:34] <jrib> If I ask for info on a bug and 2 months later still don't have a response should I close the bug or just leave it there until the ubuntu version stops being supported?
[12:34] <jrib> bug 53902
[12:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53902 in Ubuntu "KDE development files and modules won't install" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53902
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83132 in firefox (main) "Firefox freezes Ubuntu Suddenly - Reboot needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83132
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83133 in f-spot (main) "[Feisty]  f-spot: "Export to Folder" breaks when the folder name contains a single quote (')" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83133
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83134 in ubiquity (main) "ubuntu installer crashes when looking at partition table on a RAID1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83134
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83135 in vlc (universe) "froze, then crashed unexpectedly when watching a avi file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83135
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83137 in pulseaudio (main) "pulseaudio not in group pulse-rt" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83137
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83138 in ubiquity (main) "[Herd3]  Hangs while detecting hardware/filesystems and copying  installation logs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83138
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83139 in gapti (universe) "[apport]  gapti crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83139
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83141 in Ubuntu "[apport]  beryl-xgl crashed with SIGSEGV in _glapi_set_dispatch()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83141
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83142 in gedit (main) "[apport]  gedit crashed with SIGSEGV when trying to change input method" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83142
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83143 in Ubuntu "herd 3 network manager false no connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83143
[02:05] <pochu> should I close a bug report if it's a feature request (explaining why and what to do) or instead of that, should I open a feature request, and link our bug to that feature request?
[02:05] <pochu> I think if it was a bug, I should do it, but it's not a bug
[02:10] <pochu> Hobbsee: do you know it?
[02:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83144 in ubiquity (main) "Partitioner crash - fresh install of Ubuntu Feisty Herd 2 from CD " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83144
[02:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83145 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Older ATI Radeons not supported from fglrx driver above 8.28.8" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83145
[02:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83146 in stopmotion (universe) "stopmotion crashed while changing snapshot mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83146
[02:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83147 in mesa-utils (main) "[apport]  glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83147
[02:25] <Hobbsee> pochu: which bug?
[02:25] <pochu> Hobbsee: I've just rejected it, but we could reopen it :) Bug 83098
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83098 in compiz "Focus shouldn't change when taking screenshot" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83098
[02:30] <pochu> Hobbsee: what do you think?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> pochu: i'd reprot that on the compiz tracker, link it, and mark the ubuntu one as a wishlist
[02:32] <pochu> Hobbsee: I'm not a member of ubuntuQA ;)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> pochu: fixed :)
[02:32] <pochu> Hobbsee: however, I'll report it on the compiz tracker ;)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> okay :)
[02:32] <pochu> and link ours to it
[02:33] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83148 in f-spot (main) "f-spot fatal error on launch (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83148
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83149 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox crashed while playing long podcast" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83149
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83151 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Herd 3 fails to start X on Inspiron 5100" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83151
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83152 in control-center (main) "gnome-settings-daemon crashes on boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83152
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83153 in Ubuntu "Kernel does not load suspend image after suspend-to-disk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83153
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83154 in evolution (main) "ms-tnef attachment not readable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83154
[04:18] <pochu> bye guys!
[04:18] <pochu> see you :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> bye!
[04:21] <pochu> Hobbsee: I reported the compiz bug upstream :)
[04:21] <pochu> bye!
[04:21] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83155 in k3b (main) "cd automount stops working after k3b" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83155
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83156 in evms (main) "evmsgui crashes in Make File System - Options" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83156
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83157 in beagle (main) "beagle crashed within 5 min of startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83157
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83158 in kdmtheme (universe) "Please sync kdmtheme (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83158
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83159 in kde-kdm-themes (universe) "Please sync kde-kdm-themes (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83159
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83160 in slune (universe) "[apport]  slune crashed with  SyntaxError in sound()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83160
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83162 in kimdaba (universe) "please remove kimdaba from the archive (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83162
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83163 in meta-kde-extras (universe) "Please sync meta-kde-extras (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83163
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83164 in vym (universe) "Please sync vym (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83164
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83161 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu v6.10 i386 installation crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83161
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83168 in Ubuntu "please sync karchiver from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83168
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83169 in Ubuntu "please sync kxgenerator from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83169
[06:05] <ash211> can anyone running feisty confirm bug 60898?
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60898 in konversation "Konversation Crashes on DCC Chat" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60898
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83170 in vbetool (main) "[apport]  vbetool crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83170
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83171 in firefox (main) "www.sony.com bug when using the menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83171
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83172 in Ubuntu "Jigdo for feisty herd-3 is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83172
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83173 in slab (universe) "applet needs to be clicked twice to open" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83173
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83174 in usbmount (universe) "usbmount: merge new debian version <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83174
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83175 in mozplugger (universe) "[feisty]  mozplugger depends should be satisfied by firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83175
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83176 in courier (universe) "courier: merge new debian version 0.53.3-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83176
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83177 in Ubuntu "update-app-install.0.crash (herd 3)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83177
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83178 in network-manager (main) "[feisty]  nm-applet claims wired connection when its wireless" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83178
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83179 in Ubuntu "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with TypeError in __init__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83179
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83180 in apt-listchanges (main) "apt-listchanges conflicts with software updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83180
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83181 in erlang (universe) "erlang-base keeps wings3d from starting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83181
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83183 in Ubuntu "Intel HD Audio Controller (rev 02) - Mic not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83183
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83182 in efingerd (universe) "[Merge]  efingerd <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83182
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83185 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with SystemError in open()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83185
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83187 in ejabberd (universe) "please sync ejabberd 1.1.2-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83187
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83188 in yaboot (main) "Ramdisk load failed at the first reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83188
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83191 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "finished processes are not removed completely from list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83191
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83192 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "madwifi can't be loaded during the livecd boot (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83192
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83193 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83193
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83194 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when switching video mode at filecabi.net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83194
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83195 in Ubuntu "Feisty Fawn Herd 3 server installation fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83195
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83196 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "unable to draw arcs in OOo2 Draw" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83196
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83197 in firefox (main) "crash on wine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83197
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83198 in Ubuntu "[feisty herd3]  widescreen not supported by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83198
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83199 in poppler (main) "Cairo build" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83199
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83201 in f-spot (main) "[feisty herd3]  f-spot crashes on start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83201
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83200 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel 2.6.20-6 does not boot with lost interrupt error message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83200
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83202 in seahorse (universe) "key cache icon in notification area is almost identical to lock screen icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83202
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83204 in Ubuntu "No sound after updating to 2.6.20-6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83204
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83205 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "linux-image-2.6.17-50-generic crash when mounting NFS4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83205
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83207 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Synaptics Touchpad occasionally blocked" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83207
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83203 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[apport]  gnome-power-manager crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83203
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83206 in bootchart (main) "No chart genereted after boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83206
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83208 in seahorse (universe) "seahorse-preferences help button doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83208
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83209 in control-center (main) "system-preferences-sound crash after I click 'Test' next to Sound Capture in the Devices tab." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83209
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83210 in control-center (main) "[Feisty]  Gnome desktop background preferences doesn't show the correct wallpapers size" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83210
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83211 in ubiquity (main) "[apport]  ubiquity crashed with PartmanOptionError in must_find_one_script()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83211
[01:52] <christof-kr> the "(Empty)" nautilus bug should be fixed now =)
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83212 in Ubuntu "Theme manager crashes on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83212
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83214 in bayonne (universe) "bayonne crashed on ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83214
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83215 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythtrv music plugin crashes trying to play m4a encoded file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83215
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83216 in Ubuntu "beryl Desktop under Gnome freeze" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83216
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83217 in beryl-settings (universe) "[apport]  beryl-settings crashed with AttributeError in MakeBackendWidgets()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83217
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83218 in mpt-status (universe) "Please sync mpt-status (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83218
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83219 in kimwitu++ (universe) "Please sync kimwitu++ (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83219
[03:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83220 in gosa (universe) "Please sync gosa (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83220
[03:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83221 in Ubuntu "Via VT6102 (Rhine II) ethernet not working on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83221
[03:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83222 in openoffice.org (main) "Drop-down toolbar doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83222
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83224 in ndiswrapper (main) "ndiswrapper doesn't work in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83224
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83225 in Ubuntu "Quick cam not found with Camerama" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83225
[03:23] <neutrinomass> What is responsible for that thing that pops up when I change my laptop's volume using the fn keys ?
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83226 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "ati driver proces 'atieventsd' takes 100% CPU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83226
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83227 in contacts (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync contacts (0.3-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83227
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83229 in firefox (main) "could not close window with ctrl-W until I clicked on the	background" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83229
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83228 in nautilus (main) "Mouse icon won't change after deleting a file while using "single click to activate items"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83228
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83230 in ubiquity (main) "[apport]  ubiquity crashed with AttributeError in on_back_clicked()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83230
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83231 in initramfs-tools (main) "linux software RAID not working after herd 3 installation.." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83231
[04:08] <cypher1> !seen
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83232 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83232
[04:11] <cypher1> !seen Keybuk
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen keybuk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83233 in rhythmbox (main) "Spec easy-codec-installation not implented to Rhythmbox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83233
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83234 in Ubuntu "vmware server 1.01 installation fails on fresh edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83234
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83235 in Ubuntu "DHCP IP lease fails (ipw3945)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83235
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83236 in bittorrent (main) "bittorrent crashes randomly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83236
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83165 in network-manager "Network manager fails wifi config" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83165
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83167 in network-manager "X freezes after fglrx install via app-installer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83167
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83238 in cairo-clock (universe) "close button in about dialog not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83238
[06:16] <gnomefreak> sfllaw: you got a sec?
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83239 in gedit (main) "Shell output window expands little by little each time after exiting the application the opening it again." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83239
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83243 in Ubuntu "keyboard problem after resume from hibernation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83243
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83140 in Ubuntu "Live CD freezes on boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83140
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83166 in Ubuntu "Gnome Partition Editor interface problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83166
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83263 in keepassx (universe) "crash when autotyping using special/upper unicode characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83263
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83266 in Ubuntu "Installer detects HD as SCSI (sda*) rather than IDE (hda*) [Herd3] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83266
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83264 in banshee (universe) "banshee crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83264
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83267 in hwdb-client (main) "[apport]  hwdb-send crashed with IndexError in connect()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83267
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83268 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Hardware database submit hangs on network card detection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83268
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83269 in banshee (universe) "Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83269
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83270 in firefox (main) "Firefox closed down after completing the loading of a page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83270
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83271 in star (universe) "star package does not include star-match(1) man page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83271
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83272 in gconf-editor (main) "[apport]  gconf-editor crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83272
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83273 in kdebase (main) "konqueror crashes when deleting open folder in tree view" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83273
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83274 in human-icon-theme (main) "Improved "process-stop" Human icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83274
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83275 in Ubuntu "Unable to add keyboard layout switcher panel applet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83275
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83276 in kdebase (main) "konqueror doesn't remember last used view profile" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83276
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83277 in kdebase (main) "konqueror view modes are not configurable within UI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83277
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83278 in Ubuntu "Phantom space in Notification Area" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83278
[08:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83279 in telepathy-inspector (universe) "[apport]  telepathy-inspector crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83279
[08:09] <thotz> Which further information could be useful for this bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/83020 ?
[08:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83020 in Ubuntu "Very slow BootUp and SwitchOff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:13] <AlexLatchford> thotz: Version numbers, if this is happening on feisty/edgy send the bug to upstart and let Scott deal with it from there, https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/main/+bugs
[08:13] <AlexLatchford> I believe that would be a good course of action
[08:13] <thotz> ok. thanks
[08:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83280 in update-manager (main) "upgrade to edgy: segmentation fault updating libc6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83280
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83281 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox doesn't respond to multimedia keys in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83281
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83282 in compiz (universe) "bogus complaint about missing GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83282
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83283 in Ubuntu "[feisty]  When automatically logged in, cannot switch to other user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83283
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83285 in atanks (universe) "[apport]  atanks crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83285
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83284 in onboard "Preferences dialogue messy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83284
[08:36] <manchicken> So, if I want to find all bugs for adept, I would go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/adept/+bugs, right?
[08:43] <pochu> manchicken: right :)
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83286 in gnome-panel (main) "no lock option for bottom and top panels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83286
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83288 in mozilla-firefox-adblock (universe) "firefox adblock doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83288
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83289 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "kernel not reporting battery/direct mains correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83289
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83290 in linux-meta (main) "kernel 2.6.20 problem on asus centrino, acpi=off partial solve" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83290
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83292 in chiark-tcl (universe) "Please sync chiark-tcl (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83292
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83291 in Ubuntu "Feisty Fawn heard3 live CD gets stuck checking filesystem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83291
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83293 in bbclone (universe) "Please sync bbclone (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83293
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83294 in Ubuntu "[feisty]  Evolution is always offline when I start it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83294
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83295 in Ubuntu "DVD drive spins at too high speed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83295
[09:21] <pochu> !info vmware-server-kernel-modules edgy
[09:21] <ubotu> Package vmware-server-kernel-modules does not exist in edgy
[09:21] <pochu> !info vmware-server-kernel-modules
[09:21] <ubotu> Package vmware-server-kernel-modules does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[09:21] <pochu> !info vmware-server-kernel-modules feisty
[09:21] <ubotu> vmware-server-kernel-modules: vmware-server kernel module dependency package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83296 in Ubuntu "beryl crashs on start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83296
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83297 in koffice (main) ""Name insertion" in kformula does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83297
[09:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83298 in Ubuntu "Hibernation ugly at best" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83298
[09:54] <pochu> anybody using edgy?
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83299 in gnome-panel (main) "error loading system monitor capplet on gnome-panel" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83299
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83300 in faac (multiverse) "FAAC hangs during processing arbitrarily long files (seems fixed in 1.25)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83300
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83301 in Ubuntu "herd3 desktop: gnome does not start on powerbook G4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83301
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83302 in mailody (universe) "Please sync 0.4.0-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83302
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83303 in Ubuntu "Installation error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83303
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83306 in Ubuntu "Beryl Crashes when starting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83306
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83307 in network-manager (main) "I hate being prompted for a password to access a wireless network" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83307
[10:24] <Nafallo> haha
[10:24] <Nafallo> don't use WEP then :-)
[10:26] <pochu> Nafallo: that bug is annoying
[10:26] <pochu> and I don't like my neighbours connecting my network ;)
[10:27] <pochu> though I sometimes connect theirs :)
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83311 in Ubuntu "microphone dosen't work in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83311
[10:31] <Nafallo> ehrm...
[10:31] <Nafallo> and you use WEP? :-P
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83309 in dvdrip (multiverse) "Please sync dvdrip from Debian Multimedia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83309
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83310 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in panel_make_unique_desktop_uri()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83310
[10:33] <pochu> Nafallo: I do :(
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83312 in hwinfo (universe) "Please sync hwinfo from Debian" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83312
[10:36] <Nafallo> WEP is like... easy to crack ;-)
[10:39] <pochu> Nafallo: but you are too far from me to crack my network ;)
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83313 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "[Feisty]  Serial Ata drive not recognize in 2.6.20 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83313
[10:56] <Nafallo> pochu: probably :-). Will need to find someone local to send me the out.ivs ;-)
[10:57] <pochu> :)
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83314 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Installer - No Mouse Clicks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83314
[11:12] <pochu> anybody with edgy can try to install vmware to confirm/unconfirm bug 83032?
[11:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83032 in vmware-player "VmPlayer Kernel Module not accessable in repositories" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83032
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83315 in bluez-gnome (main) "bt-applet crash without using it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83315
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83316 in gaim (main) "Gaim crash - No apparent reason (Segmentation Fault)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83316
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83317 in eclipse (universe) "Reproducible Eclipse Crash with lang/langmapping.php from tikiwiki" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83317
[11:27] <coNP> hey pochu
[11:27] <pochu> hi coNP!
[11:27] <coNP> it seems that 83032 uses a non supported repository
[11:28] <coNP> it does not look like an ubuntu one
[11:28] <pochu> I think so
[11:28] <pochu> but I can't confirm that
[11:28] <pochu> and the reported hasn't answered
[11:28] <coNP> I can confirm that vmware-player can be installed
[11:28] <coNP> on both edgy & feisty
[11:28] <coNP> if you use the "regular" repositories
[11:28] <pochu> :)
[11:29] <pochu> then I'll reject it ;)
[11:29] <pochu> thanks coNP!
[11:29] <coNP> yw, pochu
[11:30] <pochu> yw?
[11:30] <coNP> I made a comment
[11:30] <coNP> yw = your welcome
[11:31] <coNP> your -> you are, of course :)
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83318 in xcardii (universe) "Segmentation fault on start " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83318
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83319 in gnome-blog (universe) "[apport]  gnome-blog-poster crashed with TypeError in setStringValuePairs()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83319
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83320 in acpi-support (main) "display remains blank after closing and re-opening the lid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83320
[11:39] <pochu> coNP: what are you working on now?
[11:45] <coNP> actually non-ubuntu things
[11:45] <coNP> therefore this unusually little noise from me today :)
[11:46] <pochu> :)
[11:46] <pochu> !info opera feisty
[11:46] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in feisty
[11:46] <pochu> !info opera
[11:46] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[11:47] <pochu> wasn't opera in multiverse?
[11:48] <stgraber> I think it was in edgy-commercial
[11:48] <crimsun> dapper-commercial.
[11:49] <pochu> is that an official repo?
[11:49] <pochu> didn't know about it
[11:49] <stgraber> that's the one from canonical
[11:49] <pochu> or is the canonical one?
[11:49] <pochu> :)
[11:50] <pochu> thanks :)
[11:50] <stgraber> http://archive.canonical.com/
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83321 in update-manager (main) "dapper to edgy fails due to x11-common" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83321
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83323 in gnome-mount (main) "partition name is just an underscore when mounting via places menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83323


[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:19] <guiverc> Any ideas given this... I suffered a power outage & Ubuntu noble system went down... On power return I `fsck` before I boot & thus any fs issues were fixed.. I boot & no longer get to DM to even let me login..  Any clues as to what my problem could be (I'm sure it's something in $HOME but what??)
[08:20] <guiverc> (I've re-installed non-destructively & get same issue; ubuntu desktop, xubuntu & lubuntu.. if I re-install & format partition all is good, so system is okay, but re-use my $HOME & no DM appears (gdm, lightdm & sddm same issue given I've installed lubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu-desktop..; both noble & jammy dailies)
[08:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: graphic's driver is one possible cause - sudo lshw -C display ; less /var/log/gpu-manager.log .
[08:35] <guiverc> an install of lubuntu works when without my /home, but fails when using my /home (I'm proposing; different dailes were used but I doubt that makes a difference) thus to me it's something in $HOME that corrupts the DM  (since I'm not asked to gui login with xubuntu/ubuntu or lubuntu???)
[08:36] <guiverc> i can't see how graphic issue would be at play, unless my hardware is flaky  (I can't rule that out... five install fails re-using /home, an install not using it works??)
[08:37] <guiverc> i'll add /home on the 'working' install next & reboot... that'll either 'prove' my thinking, or confound me!
[08:42] <guiverc> i just added /home & rebooted - login & all looks good... i'm missing something & have no idea what it is... maybe it's something like graphics??   I may re-install again tomorrow & compare (if it fails)...  (as I set my systems as dual boot, I always have two areas to install into!)
[08:43] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om ; I think I've busted my hypothesis
[08:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Another thought - startup scripts for the display messed up -  .xsession ??
[08:47] <guiverc> good thought; alas a somewhat new system & I don't make any such changes... though given install was noble; something done on a recent upgrade?? but in /home I suspect not (unless I missed something in my many installs)
[08:49] <Bashing-om> guiverc: same old home in each new install ?
[08:49] <guiverc> my fixation on /home though is likely faulty... the install today probably foramtted partition; prior installs did not; thus maybe corrupt fs unfixed by my fscks???
[08:49] <guiverc> the failed installs (xubuntu/lubuntu/ubuntu-destkop noble + lubuntu jammy) all re-used /home & failed...
[08:51] <guiverc> i could try no-format of my other / & re-use of /home; then re-try of / (with format) & re-use /home; if first fails but second works it'll be fs issue on first /
[08:52] <guiverc> (my other / ; meaning other partition given my always setting up dual boot; shared /home on this box)
[08:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: lightdm - my notes - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2210188 <- Can no longer log on.
[08:55] <arraybolt3> I had login issues due to a filesystem being oddly mounted read-only.
[08:55] <arraybolt3> guiverc: ^
[08:56] <arraybolt3> Doing a remount as read/write made the display manager almost immediately pop up
[08:56] <guiverc> none of the greeters were even showing here.. so wasn't login loop.. if it was as simple as RO mount (due to issues) & I missed that, I'd be real annoyed at myself (but I know I booted live more than once & fsck between installs; the /home is large & thus took awhile)
[08:56] <arraybolt3> Is fstab wrong or corrupt by any chance?
[08:57] <guiverc> but I cannot rule out me making a mistake... (box is used as media player, not intended to be used with keyboard comfortably so change of error is higher!)
[08:57] <arraybolt3> I ran into my issues on a Debian system where I forgot to make fstab (installed it with debootstrap and manual hacking)
[08:58] <guiverc> fstab would have been created by calamares (lubuntu), ubuntu-desktop-installer (ubuntu desktop) & ubiquity (xubuntu) so I doubt its fstab issue;  fs issue though would be consistent
[08:58] <guiverc> (fs issue being my mistake as I see it, am just sure I checked for it)
[08:58] <arraybolt3> hmm. If it ends up being not an FS issue, let me know, since then I have something to study
[08:59] <guiverc> given issue was created by power outage.. fs issue to me could have been expected (why I booted live before normal boot; out of habit)
[09:00] <guiverc> i filed a bug report on install failures.. but marked that incomplete when today's install worked (not re-using my /home)
[09:02] <guiverc> thanks for link Bashing-om (been reading)
[09:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: This issue may take a while - real late here and I am off to bed - will catch up with you tomorrow time.
[09:04] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om ...  I'm just happy I have a working system now (after days of it not getting to DM & thus no GUI)
[09:05] <guiverc> I'll update the files on the home (it's days behind now) then do re-install testing (tomorrow probably for me) on my other system partition..
[09:05] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Last couple of years I too GUI spoiled :P
[09:05] <guiverc> :)
[09:06] <guiverc> Our GNU/Linux systems are wonderul, alas so complex they can be confusing at times, but regardless they're wonderful !
[09:07] <guiverc> Night Bashing-om , sleep well
[09:07] <Bashing-om> we discuss DM starting tomorrow :D


[07:34] <ubot2> MarkShuttleMorph called the ops in #ubuntu-sugarteam (emergency)
[07:37] <rww> FYI other namespace ops, MarkShuttleMorph<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(changes nicks frequently) appears to be causing problems in random channels.
[19:44] <ssam> each time i join #ubuntu i get a 'Disconnected (Connection reset by peer' and get disconnect from freenode. other channels are ok. have done something wrong?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> not necessarily. you should ask them in #ubuntu-ops, though
[20:28] <rww> #freenode's probably better for that sort of thing. Odds are their client's doing something that's problematic for a huge channel, like /whoising everybody.
[20:30] <marienz> it's plausible there's someone in there with a realname their client or firewall/router doesn't like
[20:30] <marienz> ssam: what is the error message on your end?
[22:34] <ssam> marienz, http://pastebin.com/PSLx55zR it disconnects almost straight away. if i set itnot to auto log in to #ubuntu then it stays connected. if i then join #ubuntu it disconnects
[22:39] <marienz> ssam: both our ircd and your client think the connection is "reset by peer", which makes me suspect there's some kind of firewall between you and it that doesn't like one of the users on #ubuntu
[22:39] <marienz> ssam: (for example because they have something weird in their realname)
[22:39] <marienz> ssam: we've seen that before, it's a variation on the infamous exploit involving the words "dcc" and "send"
[22:39] <marienz> ssam: unfortunately I don't see straight away who on #ubuntu might be triggering it
[22:40] <niko> which client ssam ?
[22:40] <ssam> shall i try joining again
[22:40] <ssam> xchat
[22:41] <niko> i remember that long time ago, the #xchat topic used something which disconnect xchat users ( old version )
[22:41] <niko> ssam: try perhaps, and come here again if you are disconnected
[22:41] <niko> before join it
[22:42] <niko> open the raw log windows
[22:42] <marienz> that's a good idea
[22:42] <marienz> seeing how far it gets is useful
[22:42] <ssam> ok, thats open and logging
[22:43] <ssam> it let me in this time
[22:44] <ssam> i'll keep logging in case it happens again
[22:49] <marienz> ssam: connecting via ssl may also help
[22:49] <ssam> how do i check that?
[22:54] <niko> use 6665, 6666, 6667, 8000, 8001, 8002; SSL = 7000, 7070
[22:57] <ssam> it is set to 8001
[22:58] <niko> which is not ssl
[22:59] <ssam> i'll change it to 7000
[23:04] <marienz> you have to change the port and turn on a checkbox for ssl somewhere
[23:04] <marienz> making only one of those changes will cause it to just fail to connect
[23:07] <ssam> ok. think i am on ssl now. it says Version: TLSv1/SSLv3, cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits)
[23:08] <marienz> so try #ubuntu again?
[23:09] <ssam> i have join #ubuntu. its working :-)
[23:48] <marienz> hmm
[23:48] <marienz> ssam: might want to make sure any router/proxy/firewall between you and us has current firmware


[01:35] <lifeless> wgrant: see backchannel for poppy discussion
[01:36] <wgrant> I read most of it, but apparently not enough.
[01:38] <wgrant> Does anyone know what's happening with the pofilestatsjob DB permission fixes?
[01:38] <wgrant> I saw a branch for it on like Monday.
[01:38] <wgrant> But it hasn't landed.
[01:38] <wgrant> I'm tempted to just cowboy the two permissions...
[03:30] <james_w> hmm, ec2 land didn't appear to do anything, and I got no mail
[03:30] <james_w> is there any way to find out what happened other than trying again?
[03:31] <wgrant> Sadly not.
[03:32]  * james_w fires it off again
[03:32] <james_w> should I do it with --attached or whatever it is?
[03:33] <wgrant> Possibly. The instance is completely gone?
[03:33] <wgrant> We haven't had disappearing instances for nearly a year....
[03:33] <wgrant> Apart from AWS glitches.
[03:34] <wgrant> You sure it didn't just send to an unobvious email address?
[03:34] <wgrant> It would have failed, because the build to fix them is still pending.
[03:34] <lifeless> wgrant: btw remember the oops ajax thing the other day
[03:35] <wgrant> lifeless: Yes?
[03:35] <lifeless> wgrant: we emit X-Oops-ID now
[03:35] <lifeless> not lazr
[03:35] <wgrant> Ah
[03:35] <wgrant> That would do it.
[03:35]  * wgrant fixes.
[03:35] <wgrant> (although that might break launchpadlib too...)
[03:35] <lifeless> see oops_wsgi
[03:35] <wgrant> lifeless: See SystemErrorView
[03:35] <lifeless> ahem. I should say 'the wsgi stack does x-oops-id'
[03:36] <lifeless> I may not have changed it throughout LP.
[03:36] <wgrant> Hm, although I guess we don't use that for API requests.
[03:36] <lifeless> but we should.
[03:36] <james_w> I don't have any mail from the test run
[03:36] <lifeless> james_w: if it totally blows up that happens
[03:36] <lifeless> james_w: you can exceed the mx size limits
[03:36] <james_w> maybe I've somehow got it configured to an email I no longer have access to
[03:36] <james_w> e.g. @linaro.org
[03:37] <james_w> anyway, I'll try --attached tomorrow and see what happens
[03:37] <james_w> night all
[03:38] <james_w> and thanks wgrant, lifeless
[03:38] <wgrant> james_w: It should have gone to jameswestby.net
[04:08] <lifeless> can has reviewer?
[04:08] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/python-oops-wsgi/timeout/+merge/85056
[04:09] <wgrant> Ugggh
[04:09] <wgrant> Let's not.
[04:09] <wgrant> Can't we solve our current crisis before creating another?
[04:12] <lifeless> data is power
[04:12] <wgrant> Data is hopelessness.
[04:12] <lifeless> the swamp of despair is hopelessness
[04:12] <lifeless> data isn't!
[04:14] <lifeless> wgrant: so does that mean am I getting a review?
[04:18] <wgrant> Sure.
[04:20] <wgrant> lifeless: r=me
[04:23] <lifeless> thanks
[04:28] <wgrant> lifeless: Doesn't gpgfixtures provide better implementations for the stuff that sits *under* GPGHandler?
[04:28] <wgrant> The stuff I've moved does not include any fixtures, and is all code that is either GPGHandler or pokes stuff into the DB through it.
[04:28] <wgrant> Not relating to the underlying keyserver.
[04:29] <wgrant> Unless gpgfixtures covers the LP DB as well, which would be somewhat worrying.
[04:29] <lifeless> wgrant: it changes gpghandler
[04:29] <lifeless> wgrant: and provides test keys too
[04:29] <lifeless> wgrant: gpgverifyd replaces gpghandler
[04:29] <lifeless> more or less
[04:29] <lifeless> I guess I mean 'please check the fallout here, I have nasty WIP'
[04:30] <wgrant> Ah, I thought that didn't exist past a prototype server implementation.
[04:30] <lifeless> I'm on a 4 month yak shave to make that prod
[04:30] <lifeless> currently on the 'and it needs reliable OOPS infrastructure' arc.
[04:30] <wgrant> Right, but I didn't know any LP client code existed for it.
[04:30]  * wgrant hunts.
[04:30] <lifeless> gpgverifyd -> oops -> oops-tools -> pruning -> scriptactivity -> slony-db-migrations
[04:30] <wgrant> Heh
[04:30] <lifeless> wgrant: I'm pretty sure my branches are up on LP
[04:31] <lifeless> wgrant: by heh I hope you mean 'heh that is terrifying'
[04:32] <wgrant> lifeless: Huh
[04:32] <wgrant> Did you just view your usegpgfixtures branch?
[04:32] <lifeless> no
[04:32] <wgrant> Because it didn't time out first time.
[04:32] <lifeless> I did no
[04:32] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[04:32] <wgrant> How did that work, then...
[04:32] <lifeless> existing disk cache
[04:32] <lifeless> and branch tip matches
[04:32] <lifeless> at a guess
[04:32] <wgrant> Doesn't normally help, but perhaps it did here for some reason.
[04:34] <lifeless> ah, found my bug - 708961
[04:34] <wgrant> Bug #708961
[04:34] <_mup_> Bug #708961: loggerhead oops reports are missing diagnostic data <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/708961 >
[04:34] <lifeless> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/deps/+merge/85005 is the context
[04:35] <wgrant> Ah, not so bad one tiny import conflict in one of the tests.
[04:36] <lifeless> what revno is my lp branch @?
[04:36] <wgrant> usegpgfixtures r13758
[04:36] <lifeless> 13759 locally
[04:36] <lifeless> lets see
[04:37] <lifeless> 'merge up with devel'
[04:37] <wgrant> Heh
[04:37] <lifeless> probably a bunch of conflicts or I wouldn't have bothered
[04:37] <lifeless> pushing it it
[04:37] <wgrant> Odd. Only buildout.cfg/setup.py conflicts here.
[04:37] <lifeless> ENOIDEA
[04:38] <lifeless> its up
[04:38] <wgrant> Thanks.
[04:38] <lifeless> thanks for investigating
[04:39] <wgrant> I'm glad that LP uses four JS frameworks :)
[04:39] <wgrant> YUI3 primarily, YUI2 for calendar widgets, jQuery for the tour, MochiKit for some old translations stuff and not much else.
[04:46] <lifeless> ok, so lets see, get a handle on soyuz and I can week it a call
[04:47] <wgrant> eparse
[04:48] <lifeless> :)
[04:48] <wgrant> Week it a call?
[04:48] <lifeless> 'call it a week' with the object and verb transposed
[04:48] <wgrant> Oh, blah, of course.
[04:49] <wgrant> It is Friday afternoon, meh.
[04:49] <wgrant> soyuz == poppy?
[04:49] <StevenK> And wgrant is EOY'ing :-(
[04:50] <StevenK> wgrant: Did sinzui complain about my branch that he tossed through ec2 again?
[04:50] <lifeless> wgrant: yes
[04:50] <wgrant> StevenK: Vaguely, but without details.
[04:50]  * StevenK will thrash it to bits on Monday
[04:51] <lifeless> I hate that ubuntu's pastebin does openid to get at the raw version
[04:51] <wgrant> lifeless: spam
[04:51] <lifeless> wgrant: how does that help, given that the html version doesn't do openid
[04:51] <wgrant> No idea, but that's the rationale AFAIK.
[04:52] <lifeless> yes
[04:52] <lifeless> nevertheless, its a real nuisance when I want to apply a patch straight from it on a headless machine
[04:52] <wgrant> Yes.
[04:53] <lifeless> 5 out of 5 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file poppy-sftp.tac.rej
[04:53] <lifeless> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file service.py.rej
[04:53] <lifeless> 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file loggingsupport.py.rej
[04:53] <lifeless> I shouldn't have bothered.
[04:53] <wgrant> Healthy.
[04:54] <lifeless> EOL probably
[04:54] <wgrant> I'd assume so.
[05:32] <lifeless> sometimes I love twisted
[05:32] <lifeless> sometimes not so much
[05:34] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/901498/comments/20
[05:34] <_mup_> Bug #901498: poppy-sftp OOPSes infinitely <oops> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by julian-edwards> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/901498 >
[05:54] <lifeless> whats the zope thing to check an interface is provided ?
[05:54] <lifeless> and implemented
[05:55] <lifeless> from zope.interface.verify import verifyObject
[05:59] <lifeless> ICanHasReiew? https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/python-oops-twisted/bug-902006/+merge/85065
[06:06] <lifeless> wgrant: ^ still around - or have I missed you?
[06:10] <wgrant> lifeless: Looks good.
[06:10] <wgrant> But with that, I might EOY.
[06:11] <lifeless> wgrant: see you on wed?
[06:11] <wgrant> Wed?
[06:12] <lifeless> australasia christmas do
[06:12] <wgrant> Unlikely. It's a little way away, and I have little other cause to go to Sydney :)
[06:13] <lifeless> no worries
[06:13] <lifeless> see you in budapest hten
[06:13] <wgrant> Indeedily.
[06:15] <nigelb> YOu guys sprinting in Budapest in Jan?
[06:16] <wgrant> Yeah, with platform^Wdistro^Wubuntuengineering^Wwhatevertheyarenow
[06:25] <nigelb> heh
[06:28] <lifeless> righto, poppy sorted.
[06:29] <lifeless> lp:/~lifeless/launchpad has the gore
[06:29] <lifeless> bah
[06:29] <lifeless> lp:/~lifeless/launchpad/bug-901498 has the gore
[07:39] <stub> Is this a spurious ec2 error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/764660/
[07:39] <wgrant> stub: Yes. I fixed it this morning.
[07:39] <stub> cool. lp-land then.
[07:40] <wgrant> stub: Oh, new baseline?
[07:40] <wgrant> I was wondering when that would happen.
[07:41] <stub> wgrant: Yes. Just slow getting it landed
[07:41] <stub> pebkac one day, ec2 fail one day...
[07:41] <lifeless> stub: does this include emptyin trusted.sql ?
[07:41] <lifeless> or is that separate
[07:42] <stub> lifeless: yes. But fti.py is still being called.
[07:42] <lifeless> thats fine
[07:42] <lifeless> stub: the dump doesn't include the fti vectors by default?
[07:42] <stub> lifeless: We can trash comments.sql too (I just want to catch production up first since the tree is more up to date at the moment)
[07:42] <lifeless> stub: yeah, I'm not coding in support for comments.sql
[07:43] <wgrant> Why empty it rather than removing it?
[07:43] <stub> lifeless: The dump of the schema includes the fti columns. The sample data goes to lengths to set them all to NULL when generating the sampledata (using an fti.py magic option) and again uses fti.py to regenerate them to real values after restoration
[07:44] <stub> wgrant: minimize code changes to db-devel
[07:44] <stub> wgrant: And one step at a time - easy to back out if I forgot some corner case and we need to recover
[07:44] <wgrant> Oh, didn't realise this was on db-devel.
[07:44] <wgrant> Why's it on db-devel?
[07:44] <lifeless> stub: so one way we could eliminate fti.py is to remove the null-on-dump, then do a no-op update, then remove fti.py ?
[07:45] <lifeless> stub: which would get us to the 'apply patches to change things' state we have prod in, for devs too
[07:45] <stub> lifeless: I like NULL on dump - no need to store generated data in the sample data. I'll just have a little helper we can use and trash fti.py
[07:45] <stub> erm... like NULLs in the dump. Makes the diffs nicer, makes things easier to read
[07:45] <wgrant> The sample data is *all* generated data.
[07:45] <lifeless> stub: most of sampledata is generated in some way ;)
[07:45] <stub> yeah yeah
[07:46] <wgrant> However, I am tempted to agree with stub until we get rid of sampledata entirely.
[07:48] <stub> I can think of one reason to put the fti data into the sample data dump - if we end up with bespoke fti indexes (say, a BugSearch table with its fti data updated from triggers on bug, bugtask, product etc) we can't really automate a way to rebuild it.
[07:48] <stub> rebuild the data I mean
[07:48] <lifeless> seems sound to me
[07:49] <lifeless> another reason is that the content of the sampledata dump isn't really editable anyhow - thats why we load it up, then tweak live, then dump.
[07:49] <wgrant> Well actually...
[07:49] <lifeless> people do, doesn't make it a good idea
[07:50] <lifeless> e.g. editing bugsummary extracted data in the dump will 'work' but generate invalid state
[07:52] <stub> I'm comfortable enough with my hypocrisy to tell people not to while doing it myself...
[07:54] <stub> I don't think I need to announce trusted.sql changes - almost always stored procedures arrive in db patches and I have to tell people to move the code.
[08:07] <stub> trashing trusted.sql will have the nice side effect of making staging restores more readable
[08:43] <jtv> lifeless, stub: good to have you both here.  DB review needed!  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/db-849683-notnull/+merge/85076
[08:51] <stub> jtv: r=stub
[08:51] <jtv> th
[08:51] <jtv> x
[08:54] <adeuring> good morning
[09:02] <jtv> morning adeuring
[09:02] <adeuring> hi jtv!#
[09:03] <jtv> stub: I wonder if we could safely run our sample data through “cat --squeeze-blank” to normalize blank lines.  Getting so tired of that useless bit at the top of the diff.
[09:15] <stub> jtv: it would bite someone eventually who tries to put a double newline in a string for formatting
[09:16] <jtv> More to the point, would we have any sympathy?
[09:16] <stub> jtv: A regexp that understants the basic string quoting used though would be fine.
[09:17] <stub> jtv: Sure, especially if people want sample data to demonstrate markup for example
[09:17] <jtv> But what about our no-new-sampledata rule?
[09:17] <stub> that is for tests
[09:18] <jtv> Ah, dev sampledata.  Hadn't thought of that.
[09:18] <poolie> allenap, hi, can you reread https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/launchpad/feature-modulus/+merge/84890
[09:19] <jtv> morning bigjools
[09:20] <bigjools> good morning
[09:20] <bigjools> bliss is reading email before starting IRC
[09:20]  * jtv parses
[09:21]  * jtv ponders
[09:21] <jtv> Who's Bliss?
[09:22] <bigjools> lifeless: \o/
[09:23] <jtv> Let me just go through a few reboot contortions to get audio working for the call.
[09:32] <lifeless> bigjools: ?
[09:33] <bigjools> lifeless: you fixed it
[09:33] <lifeless> bigjools: ah yes
[09:33] <lifeless> bigjools: was fairly straight forward, once I got the rest of my plate clear to actually look at it
[09:33] <lifeless> bigjools: (getting to that point took all day :P)
[09:33] <bigjools> lifeless: what a mess the logging code is :/
[09:34]  * bigjools OTP
[09:34] <lifeless> bigjools: I assume you're fine going forward?
[09:34] <bigjools> lifeless: will talk after I get off phone
[09:35] <stub> bigjools: twisted logging or logging module logging? Think I'm mainly responsible for the mess the latter is.
[09:35] <bigjools> both
[09:36] <bigjools> well, more twisted's
[09:36] <stub> LibrarianLogger should die if that causes you any headaches.
[10:04] <allenap> poolie: Sure.
[10:16] <poolie> thanks
[10:22] <lifeless> night all, have a good weekend
[10:22] <jelmer> have a good weekend lifeless
[10:24] <bigjools> lifeless: still there?
[10:56] <bigjools> stub: is the librarian logging to stdout right now?
[10:58] <bigjools> ah no, the crazy twisted rotating nonsense
[11:17] <jtv> bigjools: garbo is now cronned on dogfood.
[11:18] <bigjools> rejoice for more timeouts on df
[11:24] <jtv> I may be hammering it a bit hard.
[11:24] <jtv> Then again, dblooptuner.
[12:03] <rick_h_> morning
[13:22] <bac> hi adeuring, i'm going to grab stub's MP unless you're working on it
[13:22] <adeuring> bac: no, i haven't had a look yet
[13:23] <bac> ok
[14:24] <bigjools> abentley: can you spare a couple of minutes please? I need to ask about some codehosting tests
[14:24] <abentley> bigjools: I have stand-up in 6 minutes.  Do you want to talk before or after?
[14:25] <bigjools> abentley: I'll try and fit it in now if that's ok!
[14:25] <bigjools> in lib/lp/codehosting/puller/tests/test_acceptance.py there's a assertRanSuccessfully
[14:25] <abentley> bigjools: certainly.
[14:25] <bigjools> it checks to see that stdout is empty
[14:25] <bigjools> do you know the purpose of that:?
[14:26] <abentley> bigjools: no.  Let me annotate it...
[14:26] <bigjools> reason I ask is because I am changing how logging works across our apps because there's a honking great bug with the new oops  stuff, and now I get a non-empty log
[14:26] <bigjools> like this:
[14:26] <bigjools> + 2011-12-09 18:13:30+0530 [-] Log opened.
[14:26] <bigjools> + 2011-12-09 18:13:34+0530 [-] Main loop terminated.
[14:26] <bigjools> which seems innocuous, but ...
[14:28] <abentley> bigjools: I guess it might assume that logging is done to a file, not stdout.  That's the only reason I can think of.  You could ask jml; he wrote that.
[14:28] <bigjools> yeah that's all I could think of too
[14:32] <jml> It's running the cron job directly, so it's assuming no output
[14:32] <jml> and logging to a file
[14:32] <jml> see cronscripts/supermirror-pull.py
[14:33] <bigjools> jml: I guess my logging changes didn't quite work for supermirror!
[14:34] <bigjools> oh I see why, the test doesn't supply --logfile
[15:39] <bigjools> abentley: would you mind checking over my logging changes in this branch please? It affects a couple of codehosting services and I'd feel happier if an expert looked. https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/launchpad/detailed-gpg-exceptions/+merge/85138
[15:45] <abentley> bigjools: I'm sorry, but none of this is anything I have special knowledge about.
[15:45] <bigjools> abentley: ok fair enough, thanks
[15:45] <abentley> bigjools: np
[16:11] <allenap> adeuring, bac: Please can you review my branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/check-teamparticipation-fix-too-bug-897269/+merge/85148
[16:11] <adeuring> allenap: sure
[16:11] <allenap> adeuring: Thanks.
[16:32] <adeuring> allenap: r=me
[16:33] <allenap> adeuring: Thank you :)
[16:36] <james_w> is lp.bugs.scripts.checkwatches.tests.test_bugwatchupdater.BugWatchUpdaterTestCase.test_known_error_handling the last test to run?
[16:36] <james_w> my ec2 instance has gone away again, and I' wondering if it ran to completion first
[16:41] <allenap> james_w: In what context, or is this ECHAN?
[16:41] <allenap> james_w: Ignore me, I can't read.
[16:42]  * allenap tries to find out.
[16:43] <allenap> james_w: No, it's not the last for me.
[16:43] <james_w> hmm
[16:44] <james_w> would someone please throw https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/binaries-created-since/+merge/85022 at ec2 land for me then please
[16:44] <james_w> I've had it die twice with no indication of any failures
[16:44] <allenap> james_w: Sure.
[16:44] <james_w> thanks
[16:51] <Laney> james_w: There is a typo there "teh `date_created`" ;-)
[16:52] <james_w> damnit
[16:52] <james_w> it's probably being rejected by the spell check then :-)
[16:52] <Laney> unless you are being 31337
[16:52] <bac> jcsackett: hi i'm looking at your branch for driver/maintainer picker -- thanks for making this long-needed improvement.
[16:53] <bac> jcsackett: i notice, however, you got rid of the pop-up help for driver.  was that accidental?
[16:53] <jcsackett> bac: it was. offhand i'm not sure how to include it back in though. i'll poke around.
[16:54] <jcsackett> (i don't think just putting the anchor back in will look right b/c of the html around the button, but maybe)
[16:54] <bac> jcsackett: ok.  i think we need to keep it since no one knows what a driver is.  r=me pending figuring that part out.
[16:54]  * jcsackett nods.
[16:54] <jcsackett> thanks, bac.
[19:13] <lifeless> poolie: oh hai
[19:13] <lifeless> poolie: btw we'll get soft timeouts from bazaar.launchpad.net now
[19:14] <lifeless> poolie: may have to fiddle with oops-tools reports a little to get good summaries, but we'll know how many requests go over 7 seconds
[19:27] <abentley> bac: could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/fix-expirable-bugs/+merge/85181 ?
[19:27] <bac> abentley: sure
[19:28] <abentley> bac: thanks.
[19:35] <bac> abentley: i don't understand why the original problem occured, producing the KeyError.  the only actual code change i see is using 0 instead of the config value.
[19:36] <abentley> bac: The bug fix is through making BugTaskExpirableListingView a subclass of BugTaskSearchListingView, so that BugTaskSearchListingView.initialize sets up the correct IJSONRequestCache values.
[19:36] <bac> ah, ok.  i overlooked that
[19:37] <abentley> bac: I may not have explained that well.
[19:38] <bac> abentley: no, my fault.  but that's why on-call reviewing is great.
[19:39] <bac> done abentley.  thanks.
[19:40] <abentley> bac: thank *you*.
[19:42] <flacoste> woohoo for autmatically updated preview diff!
[20:12] <Duditz> hi all! please, after I do launchpad actions, when my karma is updated?
[20:13] <jelmer> Duditz: I think it's updated weekly or so
[20:14] <Duditz> great, thanks jelmer
[20:15] <flacoste> rabbit seems to have problems on the latest db_lp build
[20:16] <flacoste> https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lucid_db_lp/builds/1577/steps/shell_6/logs/summary
[20:18] <sinzui> bac: do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/series-package-subscriptions/+merge/85188 when the diff appears?
[20:30] <bac> sinzui: i do
[20:37] <sinzui> I see db_lp failed. I cannot reproduce the error: https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lucid_db_lp/builds/1577/steps/shell_6/logs/summary Should I retry the build
[20:50] <bac> sinzui: done.
[20:51] <sinzui> thank you bac
[21:21] <sinzui> jcsackett, do you have time to mumble
[21:23] <jcsackett> sinzui: yes, one moment.
[21:29] <abentley> bac: AFAICT, setup_subscription_link in lib/lp/registry/javascript/structural-subscription.js throws an exception if no subscription link is present.  Was this intentional?
[21:35] <bac> abentley: yes, the link should be present
[21:37] <abentley> bac: You're written code in lp.bugs.browser.structuralsubscription.StructuralSubscriptionMenuMixin that makes it not always present.
[21:43] <bac> abentley: so for anon users the JS is throwing the error?
[21:44] <abentley> bac: Actually, I'm getting the error on https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm
[21:45] <abentley> bac: I don't understand why yet.
[21:45] <abentley> bac: I believe it's the root cause of bug #902252
[21:45] <_mup_> Bug #902252:  sort buttons that are missing on the distribution dynamic bugs listing <bug-columns> <fallout> <regression> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/902252 >
[21:51] <abentley> bac: I think this is because I am not a member of the bug supervisor, juju Charm Contributors
[21:53] <bac> abentley: yes, the logic behing userCanAlterBugSubscriptions is crazy.  it's an ubuntu thing.
[21:54] <abentley> bac: So I think the error should be scaled back at most to a warning, maybe an info or debug.
[21:54] <bac> abentley: that is probably a good idea.
[21:54] <abentley> bac: cool, thanks.
[21:57] <abentley> bac: I've confirmed that adding me to "juju Charm Contributors" fixes the bug.
[22:03] <bac> abentley: that isn't very scalable!  :)
[22:04] <abentley> bac:-)
[22:30] <james_w> FAILURE: lib/lp/bugs/javascript/tests/test_buglisting_utils.html
[22:30] <james_w> is that a known failure currently?
[22:30] <james_w> it's very unlikely to do with anything in my branch that just got rejected because of that failure
[22:34] <lifeless> no
[23:15] <james_w> well it passes locally on tip
[23:16] <james_w> and with my branch merged
[23:16] <james_w> so would someone please throw https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/binaries-created-since/+merge/85022 at ec2 land again?


  I put together a proposal to let snaps have more control over their desktop file IDs: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/proposal-allow-snaps-to-specify-their-exact-desktop-file-id/12689
[07:20] <jamesh> The use case that we can't work around for the current naming scheme is desktop notifications on GNOME 3
[07:22] <Trevinho> morning guys
[07:22] <Trevinho> hi seb128, jamesh, didrocks and oSoMoN
[07:23] <seb128> hey Trevinho, wb! did you have a good  time off?
[07:23] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, great one
[07:23] <seb128> jamesh, it would resolve quite some headache to not have the .desktop renamed indeed
[07:23] <seb128> Trevinho, nice :)
[07:25] <didrocks> hey Trevinho, jamesh, seb128
[07:25] <jamesh> seb128: yeah.  It definitely isn't the first time we've had problems with this.  I think it is the first time that "app developers should just deal with it" doesn't work as a response though.
[07:26] <jamesh> hi Trevinho, didrocks
[07:26] <duflu> Morning didrocks, oSoMoN, seb128, Trevinho
[07:26]  * duflu waves to jamesh
[07:27] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:28] <jamesh> hi duflu
[07:54] <duflu> Trevinho, seb128, anyone, could you please help me to add the Performance tag to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/719 ?
[07:54] <Trevinho> k
[07:55] <Trevinho> duflu: by the way in general don't add this line to the subject, ask to be added in the channel or in the description
[07:56] <duflu> Trevinho, I don't know what else to do -- usually it's ignored or not actioned for multiple months. So it's the only reminder I have
[07:56] <duflu> for keeping things organised
[07:56] <Trevinho> duflu: just ask me in case
[07:57] <duflu> Trevinho, OK then, also !711 please?
[07:57] <Trevinho> k
[07:57] <Trevinho> duflu: you already have updated the commit message there?
[07:58] <duflu> Trevinho, I don't understand ...?
[07:58] <Wimpress> Morning.
[07:59] <duflu> Trevinho, thanks for those
[07:59] <duflu> Morning Wimpress
[07:59] <seb128> hey Wimpress
[07:59] <Wimpress> Trevinho: Any chance you could include this for 19.10? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libwnck/merge_requests/10
[08:00] <Wimpress> Has features required by MATE 😁
[08:00] <Wimpress> Greetings from the Dales seb128 and duflu o/
[08:00] <Trevinho> Wimpress: hi, I can have a look
[08:00] <duflu> Wimpress, so is that holiday or work?
[08:00] <duflu> or both?
[08:00] <Wimpress> Holiday.
[08:01] <seb128> Wimpress, enjoy and stop IRCing! :)
[08:01] <Wimpress> Here for a couple more days. Weekend in Stratford-on-Avon and then on to Devon for a week.
[08:02] <duflu> Those names ring a bell. Sounds like something in one of my travel books of places you should visit
[08:02] <Wimpress> Well, Ubuntu MATE is fun time for me. Spent the evening listening to music with my feet up, sipping wine and working through the bug backlog.
[08:03] <Wimpress> Most relaxing 😊
[08:03] <seb128> :)
[08:06] <seb128> brb, changing location
[08:10] <willcooke> morning all
[08:11] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:11] <willcooke> afternoon duflu, how goes?
[08:11] <duflu> Wimpress, google seems to show that it's pretty :)
[08:11] <duflu> willcooke, minor road bumps but going well now
[08:11] <duflu> You willcooke?
[08:13] <Wimpress> duflu: Yep, it's gorgeous. Hiking to the highest pub in England today 🍻
[08:15] <willcooke> duflu, still trying to wake up :)
[08:17] <willcooke> Wimpress, POIDH
[08:26] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Wimpress
[08:26] <willcooke> Anyone seen this before:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1839318
[08:26] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[08:26] <willcooke> I installed 18.04 17 times yesterday and didnt see that happen once
[08:27] <duflu> Hmm, that sounds familiar
[08:27] <duflu> but I haven't seen it recently
[08:28] <duflu> I have definitely seen it
[08:29] <willcooke> I googled and found a few people having it, but the closest I could get to a reason was when ubiquiuty crashed in the installed with hidpi, but that was fixed in .1
[08:29] <duflu> I assume there are other ubiquity crashes too, judging by the bug growth
[08:32] <willcooke> desktoppers - please could you pick an iso test and run it today:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/405/builds/197643/testcases
[08:32] <willcooke> Someone from Kylin is going to do the CJK test for us
[08:32] <willcooke> and I did the non-English installs in French
[08:32] <willcooke> ;)
[08:35] <dupondje> If I copy/paste an image into telegram-desktop, my whole (wayland) gnome-shell crashes :(. Thats some gnome-shell bug or? :D
[08:36] <willcooke> dupondje, dunno, but fwiw it's working in the X session just fine.   Got any logs?
[08:39] <dupondje> willcooke: Aug  8 10:23:47 lt-jeanlouis gnome-shell[2546]: The program 'gnome-shell' received an X Window System error.#012This probably reflects a bug in the program.#012The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'.#012  (Details: serial 25877 error_code 3 request_code 18 (core protocol) minor_code 0)#012  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;#012   that is,
[08:40] <dupondje> you will receive the error a while after causing it.#012   To debug your program, run it with the GDK_SYNCHRONIZE environment#012   variable to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful#012   backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[08:40] <duflu> BOIDH
[08:40] <seb128> k, back now
[08:40] <dupondje> Aug  8 10:23:47 lt-jeanlouis org.gnome.Shell.desktop[2546]: GNOME Shell crashed with signal 5
[08:40] <dupondje> Aug  8 10:23:47 lt-jeanlouis org.gnome.Shell.desktop[2546]: == Stack trace for context 0x55d12fa702c0 ==
[08:40] <dupondje> but otherwise nothing fancy :)
[08:41] <willcooke> Is that a xwayland thing??
[08:41] <willcooke> morning seb128
[08:41] <duflu> dupondje, please try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Missing_a_crash_report_or_having_a_.crash_attachment
[08:44] <dupondje> duflu: aha! got a .crash :)
[08:47] <dupondje> but ubuntu-bug doesn't seem to create a new bugreport, and neither it shows up in https://errors.ubuntu.com (or there is some delay there?)
[08:47] <duflu> dupondje, sometimes if you are lucky the .crash file will contain a human-readable stack trace (?)
[08:47] <duflu> But usually not
[08:48] <duflu> I'm not sure why it's only sometimes
[08:48] <duflu> dupondje, try:  apport-cli YOURFILE.crash
[08:52] <dupondje> Aha :) https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/821971a2-b9b9-11e9-a4dc-fa163e6cac46
[08:55] <duflu> dupondje, thanks -> bug 1821427
[08:58] <dupondje> aha :) I've got a 100% reliable way to reproduce :D
[09:00] <dupondje> duflu: commented on the bug
[09:00] <duflu> Ta
[09:00] <dupondje> how you can reproduce
[09:01] <dupondje> can't edit the comment, but thats under wayland if that was not clear :)
[09:02] <duflu> Oh, 7 related upstream bugs?!
[09:02]  * duflu looks deeper
[09:02] <dupondje> joy! If you need some more info, feel free to poke me :) thx!
[09:08] <dupondje> Its indeed like some reports mention. gnome freezes a second or 10, and then crashes/restarts
[09:08] <dupondje> but if you're able to reproduce it, I guess you should be able to fix it quickly :)
[10:32] <willcooke> tkamppeter, yo!  I tested on Eoan and my printing problems are mostly solved.  Thanks
[11:08] <willcooke> tkamppeter, is there a cupsd dbg package?
[11:12] <willcooke> found it, ignore
[12:08] <duflu> Finally: https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons/merge_requests/1
[12:08]  * duflu falls off chair and fades into the night
[13:35] <seb128> willcooke, that g-c-c segfault, was it a one time thing (if so do you remember what you did exactly?) or can trigger it  following some specific steps?
[13:37] <willcooke> seb128, I can trigger it fairly often.  I think that cups is dieing behind the scenes
[13:38] <seb128> willcooke, can you put the steps you follow and maybe the journal log on the bug?
[13:38] <willcooke> sure thing
[13:41] <seb128> thx
[13:56] <oSoMoN> willcooke, I ran the CJK test just for the fun, and found missing localizations in Simplified Chinese, otherwise good
[13:56] <oSoMoN> I'll run more tests in a language I understand now
[13:56] <willcooke> thank you very much oSoMoN!
[18:17] <willcooke> night all


  Most mailing list folks aren't going to complain about a single email afterall!  It's unfortunate that apps/websites/whatever feel the need to spam address books, but that's not your fault.
[02:58] <optrusty_> i am sorry to interrupt but i got an email from the irc mailing list about a women name valorie is this spam or something or irc mailing list sent that
[02:58] <IdleOne> I answered you in -irc
[03:00] <optrusty_> idleone i tought everyone was away at this time
[05:56] <rww> #ubuntu is now at approximately bans + quiets + banexes + invexes = 400. The maximum capacity of such is 500. Therefore, we're at 80% full. Since we haven't hit 100% full in a while, it would amuse me if we did so, so this message is purely informational :P
[05:58] <Flannel> If you'd stop removing them and throwing away our hard work every few months, we'd be able to achieve better metrics.
[05:59] <rww> Flannel: I now have graphs (stolen from Pi`ci) (but only of +b, not +q +e +I because I don't have free time to ponder this), so yeah.
[05:59] <rww> I'm not planning on burning down the banlist this time around.
[06:00] <Flannel> Oh, so now that you're tracking the metrics, we're under pressure to perform, eh?
[06:00] <rww> yes, you need to make the bancount as high as possible without going over
[06:00] <rww> I call this game banjack
[10:26] <k1l_> phunyguy: hmm, but something keeps reminding me why that much users did want to install 12.10 instead of 12.04
 cant wait for ubuntu windows edition
[15:35] <genii> Just point him at http://www.mslinux.org/
[15:36]  * genii giggles insanely and runs away
[15:36] <bazhang> tazer is there for one reason alone
[15:36] <genii> crap-disturbing?
[15:36] <bazhang> yep
[15:42] <bazhang> ugh
[15:42] <bazhang> I *just* cleared out 3 quiets
[15:44] <genii>  @comment 63664 Warned about offtopic discussion in #ubuntu
[15:46] <ikonia> I'll have a clean up tomorrow when I've got time
[15:47] <bazhang> with all the netsplits, I see nearly every ban attributed to a freenode server
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[12:57] <brendand> pitti, hi - hope you had a nice holidays!
[13:00] <pitti> hey brendand, how are you? I did, thanks!
[13:00] <brendand> pitti, i'm good. i had a quick question about the step adt-run does to update the apparmor rules
[13:00] <brendand> pitti, do you know if it will be skipped if that was already done?
[13:03] <pitti> brendand: no, right now it doesn't check the current state, it just applies the update and reverts it at the end
[13:41] <balloons> dkessel, if you've not seen this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/autopilot/README.md
[15:22] <gQuigs> looks like the wily build isn't being promoted again - sudo issue? - https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/wily/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/wily-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/112/console
[15:23] <gQuigs> (promoted from pending -> current on cdimage)
[16:09] <dkessel> balloons: oh, nice! That will surely help once we have the system.
[16:09] <balloons> dkessel. you should be able to use that to give it a go now
[16:10] <balloons> gQuigs, interesting. Sudo hasn't changed: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.8.12-1ubuntu2/changelog
[16:11] <dkessel> Right. Will try that when I have the time.
[16:11] <balloons> awesome
[17:44] <dkessel> balloons: running the tests is indeed working. we get a test failure though :p i am searching for the bug now...
[17:45] <balloons> dkessel :-) I know DanChapman knows of a few issues, but it would be good to have them as proper bugs
[17:45] <dkessel> balloons: the logs also look like it is downloading packages, which i think is strange: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11954772/
[17:46] <balloons> dkessel, the installer will grab newer packages if a network connection is present. I believe this is the case, even if you don't tell it to download updates
[17:46] <balloons> In that case it may only grab lang stuff
[17:46] <dkessel> so the test really is "iso image + any available updates"
[17:46] <dkessel> which makes it non-reproducible, but nice to test any possible fixes
[17:47] <balloons> dkessel, ohh, I was speaking about ubiquity only
[17:47] <balloons> if the test is grabbing packages then, yea, it could lead to more of a point in time test
[17:47] <balloons> and not as nice for reproducibility
[17:50] <dkessel> balloons: okay, i could be wrong. it could also be that the environment for the tests is being updated to all latest packages
[17:56] <dkessel> balloons, DanChapman: FYI, there is bug 1479064 now
[17:58] <balloons> looks good
[18:10]  * DanChapman closes qtcreator otherwise he will forget to reply *again*
[18:11] <DanChapman> balloons: dkessel o/ sorry, my time has been some what limited recently. Especially with dekko now chalked in for OTA-6
[18:11]  * DanChapman reads bug report
[18:16] <dkessel> if you need any more logs... they are there until the next reboot ;)
[18:16] <balloons> DanChapman :-) I know OTA-6 is going to be a big deal for dekko. So what we really need at the moment is a server. Did you get anywhere in thinking about how to host such a thing?
[18:17] <balloons> what I haven't done is confirm that indeed a cloud server won't work. But assuming it won't, it makes it a little tougher and more expensive to find a company
[18:17] <balloons> alternatively, someone could self-host I guess
[18:19] <dkessel> reading the README on the autopilot jenkins setup... are two seperate physical machines needed? i am reading "jenkins machine" and "slave"...
[18:22] <balloons> dkessel, good point. It's a bit odd as we need a phsyical machine to be the slave. And thus it cannot be the master either due to it's nature
[18:22] <balloons> normally you could use a single machine setup for this, but presumably these tests don't run under kvm, hence the need for a machine
[18:22] <dkessel> mhh couldn't jenkins be run as a vm ?
[18:22] <balloons> sure.. but on the same machine?
[18:23] <dkessel> i don't know how much ram/cpu jenkins really eats... why not?
[18:24]  * dkessel uses "homebrew" build servers at work, where jenkins would normally be a natural fit for all the java projects... ;)
[18:24] <balloons> well right. on a single machine you would install jenkins master, then create multiple slaves via kvm
[18:25] <balloons> dkessel, what if we started out by having you self-host this? We can get you some hardware for it
[18:26] <balloons> the trouble with the kvm approach is a kvm slave doesn't work in this case. So jenkins master imho can't run on a slave node
[18:27] <DanChapman> balloons, dkessel commented on bug
[18:27] <balloons> honestly the jenkins master could be on a raspberry pi or beagle bone, heh. The slave would be doing all the work
[18:27] <dkessel> yay, another pi for me :)
[18:28]  * balloons starts thinking about multiple machines for parallel builds.. ugh
[18:28] <DanChapman> balloons: are you wanting to run these tests on real hardware then? Previously they were just run using kvm
[18:28] <balloons> DanChapman, based on feedback from CI, they suggest real hw.
[18:29] <balloons> But I'm keen to know if it's needed or not
[18:29] <balloons> I assume there is a way to make it work without; even if we have to cheat a little in testing
[18:30] <DanChapman> ah now that changes things. I was about to say a cloud server should do the job
[18:30] <balloons> if we don't need real hw, this easily goes in the cloud and we pick our favorite provider and go
[18:31] <dkessel> balloons: i will be moving to "the countryside" in about one month. and i am still unsure about how good and reliable the internet connection will be there. but other than that, i would be fine with running the box from home ;)
[18:31] <dkessel> if CI suggest real hardware because they have had bad experiences with virtualization breaking stuff a lot, then i would understand.
[18:35] <DanChapman> balloons: didn't the previous runs of these use kvm of jenkins.qa.u.c? If so there was never any real issue in regards of the test environment and they used to run great
[18:35] <balloons> DanChapman, yes as far as I know. hmm
[18:35] <balloons> perhaps the issue here is cloud kvm vs real hw kcm?
[18:36] <balloons> regardless, we can certainly try in a cloud environment
[18:51] <DanChapman> balloons: I think it's definately worth a shot, before commiting to real hw.
[18:52] <DanChapman> man I forgot how *little* you can easily identify object with gtk apps in vis :S
[18:53] <balloons> heh.. yea, the dark ages
[18:57] <dkessel> DanChapman: mhh i am struggling to even get autopilot to show the ubiquity instance...
[18:58] <dkessel> okay, so let's first try the cloud option
[18:58] <balloons> sounds good to me. Who's up for it?
[19:01] <dkessel> o/
[19:05] <balloons> awesome..
[19:08] <DanChapman> dkessel: are you getting to the live desktop and ubiquity just doesn't start?
[19:09] <dkessel> DanChapman: it starts, and stays open, but running "autopilot vis" (after installing python-autopilot) won't show any ubiquity instance
[19:12] <DanChapman> ahh right. so what you need is to use a config file. Take a look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/autopilot/ubiquity-autopilot-runner/config/testrunner.cfg as an example then you can  pass it to the runner with the -T --testconfig options
[19:12] <DanChapman> setting SHUTDOWN=0 will keep the runner live after a failed test which you can then launch autopilot vis
[19:14] <dkessel> DanChapman: i used that exact same file :) and it left the runner open with ubiquity. but autopilot vis still waits "for the first valid dbus connection"
[19:14] <DanChapman> don't forget you need to use the launch_vis script in the ubiquity/autopilot/* dirctory
[19:14] <dkessel> ahhhh
[19:16] <DanChapman> unfortunately it doesnt work with the python3 AP vis so you don't get all the nice goodies like search :-(
[19:19] <dkessel> this is truly horrible. someone should at least have put object names into the glade file for ubiquity
[19:22] <dkessel> omg i think i have found the item finally
[19:24] <DanChapman> dkessel: ubiquity is probably the best gtk app out there to actually find object id's. You should checkout some of the other gtk apps, you won't find any, apart from a helpful toplevel name like NautilusWindow or some such
[19:24] <dkessel> DanChapman: i found the item here: http://i.imgur.com/3xg07SE.png
[19:25] <dkessel> DanChapman: yeah, i had to bug one of xubuntu's developers to include object names there, too :p i can understand that these are never important to developers, because you can interact with stuff by reference, not by object name....
[19:25] <DanChapman> balloons: this brings back memories :-)
[19:26] <dkessel> DanChapman: i could do a merge request to fix the coordinates
[19:26] <balloons> nice work
[19:27]  * balloons shudders at the sight of those gtk objects
[19:27] <balloons> indeed this brings back memories! And people say autopilot is hard for qml apps! sheesh!
[19:27] <dkessel> ... if that is all it needs, that is ;)
[19:28] <dkessel> i am wondering why "accessible_name" is not used
[19:32] <DanChapman> dkessel, it doesn't use accessible_name because of non english installs may not display it as "English" or "German" all the test does is check it is unicode as there has been previous bugs where it just displayed black squares etc
[19:33] <dkessel> DanChapman: oh... ok *reads test code to look for a possible fix*
[19:35] <DanChapman> dkessel: does the parent GtkTreeViewAccessible of that cell have valid rect co-ordinates and is it visible? those are the two things the _get_gail_treeview code will looks for
[19:36] <DanChapman> balloons: yeah I did always wonder what they had to moan about :-)
[19:37] <dkessel> DanChapman: it has valid coords and is visible
[19:38] <DanChapman> now jot those coords down. And go looking for the matching GtkTreeView and see if the coords match.
[19:41] <DanChapman> it should be the only GtkTreeView beneath a GtkBox with name "stepLanguage"
[19:45] <dkessel> phew.... *searches*
[19:47] <dkessel> hah
[19:48] <dkessel> DanChapman: the coords don't match. accessible: 225,269,120,21 , treeview: 225,270,122,242
[19:51] <dkessel> the treeview has a BuilderName... "language_treeview"
[19:51] <DanChapman> :-( that's not such good news.  Left my results on the bug.
[20:04] <dkessel> once i understand the syntax to create a "off-by-one clone" of the globalrect, i can propose a fix
[20:05] <dkessel> or wait... i think i know a way.
[20:05] <dkessel> see you another day :)))
[20:06] <DanChapman> dkessel ok great :-) enjoy your evening!
[20:09] <balloons> thanks guys!