[00:29] <Snapjack> Upgraded to 12.10 last night and everything went smooth until today when I realised that I have no volume control on the panel.
[00:31] <recon_lap> Snapjack: try add a indicator applet to the panel
[00:32] <Unit193> Make sure thunar-volman (close to it) is installed.
[00:34] <GridCube> plugin indicators do NOT work on xubuntu 12.10
[00:34] <GridCube> read the release blog
[00:35] <recon_lap> OK, as a LTS Luddite I'll have to stop trying to answer questions
[00:36] <GridCube> plugin indicators its coded on gtk3 and the xfce panel is on gtk2
[00:36] <GridCube> theres the option to add a volume controler from the xfce goodies
[00:37] <Unit193> GridCube: Some do.
[00:41] <Snapjack> It isn't in the add new items to panel and I have installed xfce4-goodies. I saw a bug report on it but its status was fixed. My keyboard controls work fine.
[00:43] <GridCube> Snapjack, try this: http://code.google.com/p/volti/
[00:44] <Snapjack> Thank you, I will.
[00:45] <Shodex> Howdy, has anyone else upgraded to 12.10 and magically gotten a couple new floppy drives?
[00:48] <Unit193> Shodex: Yep.
[00:49] <Shodex> Unit193: Do you know of any way to fix it?
[00:50] <Unit193> Not looked, doesn't bother as much as some other things did.
[00:50] <Shodex> The main menu options are givin' me hell too.
[00:51] <Unit193> Alacarte fails, yes.
[00:52] <Shodex> Hopefully the bugs'll get patched out soon, 'cause I'm not really feeling the benefits atm.
[00:52] <Unit193> On several I am, but menu isn't an issue.
[00:56] <Snapjack> GridCube That worked! Thanks.
[00:57] <GridCube> :)
[01:54] <john_rambo> when I click on my Home folder icon on Desktop it says Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. And then it opens
[02:10] <xubuntu969> hello
[02:11] <xubuntu969> shui zhi dao zenme qiehuan shurufa?
[02:11] <xubuntu969> you ren zai ma ?
[02:11] <UnknownFork> phonetic chinese?
[02:11] <xubuntu969> yes ,, chinese shurufa.
[02:12] <xubuntu969> ru guo meiyou wangluo, hai nengbuneng anzhuang Xubuntu ?
[02:13] <recon_lap> xubuntu969:  /join #ubuntu-cn
[02:14] <xubuntu969> thank you
[02:29] <c_smith> anyone here know why in Xubuntu 12.10 the messaging menu isn't available?
[02:31] <Unit193> !notes
[02:32] <c_smith> Unit193, thanks, didn't think to look there.
[02:32] <Unit193> There's a slightly hacky way to do it.
[02:33] <c_smith> I take hacky to mean modifying the source of the indicator?
[02:41] <Unit193> c_smith: Means pulling it up on LP, downloading the 4 packages for precise, and holding them.
[02:41] <c_smith> ah, not that hard, had to do that type of thing before.
[02:41] <Unit193> 5 Packages.
[02:41] <c_smith> not often, but yeah
[02:42] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/indicator-messages
[02:43] <Unit193> (had to find it again, uploaded them so I wouldn't have to)
[03:14] <soreau> in gmusicbrowser, the equalizer sliders are all grayed out and can't use it. Do I need to install something extra to make it work?
[03:16] <soreau> ah, just a setting I missed
[04:21] <pwnedulongtime> menu editing not working to good in 12.10
[04:23] <Unit193> You are correct, menulibre and lxmenueditor are two not in the repo that may, unless you want to edit by hand (not too hard)
[04:24] <pwnedulongtime> in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu ?
[04:25] <pwnedulongtime> I really don't see the point of fixing something that isn't broke....but then breaking it
[04:25] <Unit193> Copy to ~/.config/menus/  xfce-applications.menu and applications.menu should already be in there.
[04:26] <pwnedulongtime> there seem to be two: /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[04:26] <pwnedulongtime> /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[04:28] <Unit193> xdg-xubuntu
[04:30] <pwnedulongtime> thx
[04:30] <Unit193> Sure.
[04:31] <pwnedulongtime> I'm seeing some bad video tearing as well, i915
[04:32] <Unit193> i915 here, and it was my other one (not the i915) that hit it. :P
[04:32] <pwnedulongtime> you hit something with your i915?
[04:33] <Unit193> Meh, nothing like that, more of full on X failures.
[04:34] <pwnedulongtime> ironix isn't it?
[04:34] <pwnedulongtime> X-ubuntu
[04:36] <pwnedulongtime> still can't edit the menu
[04:44] <sdollins> Unit193: So you found the cause for menu editing not working?
[04:49] <pwnedulongtime> nope
[04:50] <pwnedulongtime> i did an upgrade, so I may have profile data that's messing with it
[04:50] <pwnedulongtime> possibly
[04:50] <sdollins> No, I'm having the same issue after a clean install.
[04:51] <pwnedulongtime> ah ok
[04:51] <pwnedulongtime> hey can you extract a zip file by right clicking and extract to...?
[04:51] <pwnedulongtime> or tar,gz
[04:52] <sdollins> I managed to get my menu edited without breaking anything.
[04:54] <pwnedulongtime> how?
[04:54] <sdollins> copied the xfce-applications.menu file to ~/.config/menus/ and changed the merge path in applications.menu
[04:54] <sdollins> then removed the separator I wanted to remove in xfce-applications.menu
[04:55] <pwnedulongtime> hmm, I want to use the gui
[04:55] <pwnedulongtime> since it's there and should work
[04:56] <pwnedulongtime> how this wasn't caught in beta is beyond me
[05:00] <pwnedulongtime> sdollins, oh isee
[05:00] <pwnedulongtime> i'll try that
[05:07] <Unit193> sdollins: Not with alacarte, but yes.
[05:20] <pwnedulongtime> sdollins, your method works, but logout goes missing and the structure/naming is different
[06:12] <sdollins> pwnedulongtime: everything is fine for me...
[06:24] <tasawan> Hello, I just upgraded to 12.10 and have some issues with my video drivers. I have an ati 4670 and I believe the new fglrx drivers don't support it anymore. The free drivers work fine except for some flickering while scrolling.
[06:25] <tasawan> Playing video causes the audio to skip as well. I'd appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction to a solution. Thanks
[06:27] <pwnedulongtime> video flickering has always been a problem
[06:27] <pwnedulongtime> but your audio problem sounds unrelated
[06:28] <soreau> tasawan: it shouldn't flicker.. what do you mean by that exactly? flashing black or random corruption?
[06:32] <tasawan> Well, I don't quite know how to explain it, scrolling isn't smooth and sort of jumps around. Video, even 720p videos play fine besides the sound skipping. Not terribly serious problems, just slightly annoying.
[06:32] <soreau> tasawan: Since you've upgraded and were using fglrx, maybe parts of it are still installed, causing problems with the open driver. Can you pastebin.com your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[06:33] <innot> I didn't,but do u have a question about it?
[06:34] <tasawan> @soreu, it is quite long, any specific section you want to look at, or the whole thing?
[06:34] <soreau> tasawan: yes, I want to see what driver it's using and if you have 3D working
[06:34] <soreau> !pastebin | tasawan
[06:35] <Quelp> Good morning guys. Have anyone found a way to use the indicator-messages within 12.10? I've already tried to use the precise packages, but it complains about missing libraries (libxfce4util.so.4, libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3).. Symlinking them doesnt work either: "undefined symbol: xfce_panel_plugin_provider_set_orientation"
[06:36] <tasawan> Hope I'm doing this correctly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1291310/
[06:39] <soreau> tasawan: yea, it looks like everything is installed correctly except you could get rid of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:41] <soreau> tasawan: you might look around if anyone has filed a bug report about it or ask in #radeon
[06:42] <tasawan> I renamed xorg.cong to ~xorg.conf-bkp, would that work? I'll ask there. Thank you for your help.
[06:46] <soreau> tasawan: What player are you using to test video playback btw?
[06:48] <tasawan> Parole and VLC. Viedo plays fine, no problems there, the audio skips on videos that are 720p or higher.
[06:49] <soreau> make sure to use xv rendering if you're not already
[06:51] <tasawan> How do I check whether I am using xv rendering?
[06:52] <soreau> tasawan: a good test would be to install mplayer and run mplayer -vo xv /path/to/video/file.ext
[06:52] <soreau> or check your players settings
[06:55] <innot> I upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and now my upper panel doesn't work right. Indicators,date&time and action buttons are in left of the panel and moves to the right when I opens new windows. When tested 12.10 from live-cd panel was working fine and in the 12.04 too. Should I disenable fglrx for example?
[06:55] <pwnedulongtime> 12.10 is a lemon
[06:57] <Quelp> innot: Open Panelproperties and check "expand-checkbox" the seperator-element between tasklist and date in its settings
[06:59] <Quelp> Wow, did i wrioe that? :D
[06:59] <Quelp> *wrote
[06:59] <tasawan> soreau: I am using mpalyer -vo -xv and the video is playing and no sound trouble.
[07:01] <innot> Quelp: thanks!
[07:04] <pwnedulongtime> i'm switching to linux mint
[07:12] <baizon> =)
[07:13] <tasawan> Soreau: Thank you for your help. I'll see if I can find a bug report for the video drivers. The rest seems to be working for now.
[07:14] <innot> How can I remove disk icon from dekstop because I have them doubled. In desktop preferences in "default icons"-section removable devices hide the other but can I remove the extra icons?
[07:21] <charleyfoxtrot> xubuntu 12.10 is slick
[07:22] <charleyfoxtrot> really nice
[07:22] <charleyfoxtrot> instant favorite for me
[07:22] <charleyfoxtrot> good job everyone involved, damn
[07:50] <johnSmith> can someone help me setting up xubuntu onto my flash drive? I need persistence...
[07:50] <apm1> johnSmith, what's the problem ?
[07:51] <johnSmith> i have a mac and im trying to figure out how to put xubuntu on my 16 gb flash drive and make it persistent
[07:52] <apm1> johnSmith, i too am typing this on a mac , running xubuntu and debian wheezy so fire away :p
[07:52] <apm1> johnSmith, is xubuntu on the HD of this mac ?
[07:52] <johnSmith> no
[07:53] <johnSmith> i am currently downloading the file now
[07:53] <johnSmith> =(
[07:53] <charleyfoxtrot> downloading xubuntu is =)
[07:54] <johnSmith> yea
[07:54] <johnSmith> lol
[07:54] <apm1> johnSmith, you can not run xubuntu from a flash drive on a mac but only from a HD or a CD
[07:54] <apm1> i have tried so hard to do it but to no avail
[07:54] <johnSmith> ahh, even if i change the file to a .img like with ubuntu?
[07:55] <apm1> johnSmith, the image format doesn't matter
[07:55] <johnSmith> =(
[07:55] <apm1> it's the GRUB2 efi bootloader we need :(
[07:55] <johnSmith> dam apple...
[07:55] <apm1> yes damn apple's decisions :p
[07:55] <johnSmith> lol
[07:56] <apm1> johnSmith, try debian wheezy beta 3 it has grub2-efi , boots from flashdrives :p
[07:56] <charleyfoxtrot> they can't be all that bad, Linus Torvalds himself uses a mac
[07:56] <johnSmith> ok if i set it up for use on a pc, im in college and plenty of public access machines, how can i make the persistence file larger if using something like pendrivelinux.com
[07:56] <charleyfoxtrot> albeit, his macbook air isn't running os x
[07:57] <charleyfoxtrot> johnSmith you just want to use the mac to create the USB but not to use it?
[07:57] <apm1> Charleyfoxtront i am running debian and xubuntu on my mac , no os x
[07:57] <johnSmith> correct
[07:57] <apm1> that is possible first install xubuntu from cd on the hd
[07:57] <johnSmith> i hate windows but i would like a unix like enviroment while working on my programs on campus
[07:57] <charleyfoxtrot> wait have you tried unetbootin??
[07:58] <apm1> johnSmith, can you burn a cd ?
[07:58] <johnSmith> yes i have tried unetbootin
[07:58] <johnSmith> doesnt run =(
[07:58] <charleyfoxtrot> ah
[07:58] <johnSmith> i have downloaded it from sourceforge but once i click it, it doesnt do anything
[07:58] <apm1> johnSmith, can you burn a dvd / cd for xubuntu ?
[07:58] <charleyfoxtrot> are you going to be using command-line tools? if so you can use SSH to your home computer
[07:58] <johnSmith> no cds avalible im poor college student haha
[07:59] <charleyfoxtrot> I doubt the computers on your campus will allow you to boot from USB or CD anyway. they might. but I wouldn't count on the security allowing it
[07:59] <apm1> johnSmith, if you can get a dvd it's just a moment's job
[07:59] <johnSmith> they do allow it, i saw some other CS student using xubuntu from a flash drive
[07:59] <charleyfoxtrot> right on
[07:59] <charleyfoxtrot> so no luck with unetbootin?
[08:00] <charleyfoxtrot> because that's what I have always used when I needed to make a live usb
[08:00] <charleyfoxtrot> with persistence, too
[08:00] <johnSmith> no cds around here =(
[08:00] <johnSmith> nope
[08:00] <apm1> johnSmith, that other student is using os X + xubuntu with refit installed (google refit)
[08:00] <johnSmith> unetbootin, downloaded twice and it doesnt run, hangs after i put password to run the program
[08:01] <charleyfoxtrot> hmm
[08:01] <charleyfoxtrot> apml I don't think he meant that the campus computer was a mac
[08:01] <apm1> johnSmith, what OS are you on right now ?
[08:01] <johnSmith> and the other student does not use os x
[08:01] <johnSmith> im on mac, campus is all windows 7 =(
[08:01] <apm1> johnSmith, a mac running OS X ?
[08:02] <johnSmith> yea 10.7
[08:02] <apm1> johnSmith, if you can somehow get a DVD you can save yourself a crapload of trouble :p
[08:03] <johnSmith> lol ok i will try and get some tomorrow
[08:03] <apm1> when you get a dvd
[08:03] <johnSmith> once i have them, is there a tutorial or guide on how to do it?
[08:03] <apm1> do these steps
[08:03] <apm1> 1.burn xubuntu.iso on the dvd
[08:04] <apm1> 2. insert the dvd in mac
[08:04] <apm1> 3. reboot holding c , hold  the "C" key when you hear the startup chime
[08:05] <apm1> keep holding it it will get you to the live xubuntu session there click on try xubuntu without installing
[08:05] <apm1> now in the live session go to the xfce menu on the top pannel
[08:05] <johnSmith> nice, thank you for your help guys/gals
[08:06] <apm1> johnSmith, should i type the remaining steps ??
[08:06] <johnSmith> yes plz -=)
[08:06] <johnSmith> =)*
[08:07] <apm1> next click on the rat-mouse  icon in the top panel it is in the same place as the apple logo on os x the top left of the screen
[08:07] <apm1> now clicking that should bring up a drop down menu
[08:08] <apm1> in this drop down menu click on the system tab
[08:08] <apm1> in the submenu of system you will find a utility "startup disk creator"
[08:08] <apm1> click the startup disk utility
[08:08] <charleyfoxtrot> johnSmith do you have access to windows? You can make a liveUSB a number of ways, just want you to know. You seem to want persistence
[08:09] <johnSmith> i do have access to windows, but locked machines so i cant do much
[08:09] <apm1> johnSmith, concentrate on the steps for once
[08:09] <johnSmith> so the startup disk util is like the one in ubuntu? where i can set up to 4gb or persistence storage?
[08:10] <johnSmith> lol
[08:10] <apm1> yes it is exactly the same as in ubuntu :)
[08:10] <johnSmith> wo0t
[08:10] <johnSmith> so once i have livecd it should be a breeze
[08:10] <apm1> yup
[08:10] <johnSmith> ok now, is there anyway to make that persistence file any bigger?
[08:11] <johnSmith> more than 4gb?
[08:11] <apm1> johnSmith, partition the other partitions of the flash drive in ext4
[08:11] <apm1> except the one on which you are creating the xubuntu live image
[08:12] <apm1> now mount these partitions when you need more space :)
[08:12] <johnSmith> so can i save system updates to these partitions?
[08:13] <apm1> system updates as in ?
[08:13] <apm1> yeah they are like normal harddrive partitions , they are not a part of this live install
[08:13] <johnSmith> like the xubuntu updates, do they stick after reboot if i have these ext4 partitions? and do i have to name them casper-rw and delete the casper-rw file ?
[08:14] <apm1> i don't know what a "casper - rw " thingy is :p
[08:15] <johnSmith> i know in ubuntu casper-rw is the file they use for persistence
[08:15] <apm1> then in xubuntu it should be the same
[08:15] <johnSmith> k
[08:15] <johnSmith> thank you again so much for your help i really appreciate it
[08:16] <apm1> johnSmith, may the force be with you :p
[08:16] <johnSmith> and also with you
[08:18] <Name141> Is there anything special that 12.10 has that the LTS doesn't ?
[08:18] <apm1> Name141, honestly bloat :p
[08:19] <apm1> Name141, let's discuss in xubuntu-offtopic
[08:19] <Name141> apm1: I keep thinking of replacing XP with a Xubuntu since Ubuntu screwed up the UI worse than Windows 8
[08:19] <Name141> oh
[08:19] <TheSheep> apm1: did you even try it?
[08:20] <apm1> TheSheep, nope but if ubuntu is crap then it must have screwed xubuntu with it :(
[08:20] <Name141> apm1: Unity.
[08:20] <TheSheep> apm1: can you please limit yourself to factual information on this channel?
[08:21] <apm1> TheSheep, i can but i am a little paranoid so i at times slip :p
[08:21] <TheSheep> apm1: fear, uncertainty and doubt are not appreciated
[08:21] <apm1> TheSheep, let's talk in OT ?
[09:12] <ovidiutk> Hello. I upgraded yesterday from 12.04 to 12.10 and now Xubuntu no longer asks for password when resuming from suspend. How can I fix that?
[10:12] <xubuntu698> Hello
[10:15] <xubuntu698> I  installed yesterday xubuntu 12.10, but now the tv usb doesn't work (it worked ok with 12.04)  Anyone can help?
[10:17] <helpmeplls> hello?
[10:17] <helpmeplls> can someone please help me jesus christ
[10:17] <helpmeplls> i have been trying to get my wifi card to work
[10:18] <helpmeplls> on 12.04, the problem is i dont have ethernet internet to have all the hard work done easy
[10:18] <helpmeplls> i have followed guide
[10:19] <helpmeplls> but i CANNOT get b43-fwcutter to install at all. any help is greatly appreciated
[10:21] <helpmeplls> ?
[10:22] <xubuntu698> hello helpmeplls, lot of people here but no answer
[10:23] <helpmeplls> if i double click to run b43-fwcutter its greyed out, i tried the other way and it doesnt work at all
[10:23] <helpmeplls> i cant seem to dl the correct one
[10:23] <helpmeplls> hell i have tried all of them now
[10:24] <helpmeplls> im doing something wrong
[10:24] <helpmeplls> and im going to go calm down real fast brb been working on this stuff all night hours
[11:49] <josy1982> i have 12 GB RAM installed on my pc what version should i use 32 bit or 64 bit?
[11:50] <Kagee> 64.
[11:51] <Kagee> josy1982: 32 bit is unable to use mote than ~3
[12:14] <apm1> can i damage my ssd by running an old kernel ?
[13:16] <xubuntu365> Morning all - anyone else had a problem with the xubuntu-12.3.10-desktop-amd64.iso torrent?
[13:20] <xubuntu365> Download with no errors reported - can't copy (thunar reports an error splicing the file) but can create a bootable usb which boots (VERY VERY slowly)
[14:37] <dmbekker> hi, I just install xubuntu and installed the nvidia drivers (nvidia-current) but it gave me a error and said that I needed to restart X server.. I googled a bit and found "kill -9 `pidof X`" and now I can't login to a xubuntu/xfce session..
[14:37] <dmbekker> I'm on a guest session with unity atm :/
[14:38] <dmbekker> installed ubuntu first and installed the package xubuntu-destkop to get xubuntu kinda I mean
[14:40] <dmbekker> whoops
[14:45] <dmbekker> I just reinstall ubuntu..
[15:19] <Industrial> I've installed the package xmonad which gives me another window manager to run besides xfce, and adds itself to the gdm menu; I have a .xinitrc in my homedir (that doesn't launch a window manager atm but does contain other configuration) though it isn't ran. Hoow can I get this config file to run when I start an xmonad session?
[15:23] <GridCube> gdm?
[15:24] <Industrial> gnome display manager (if that's the one also used in xfce?)
[15:25] <Industrial> err, in xubuntu>
[15:25] <GridCube> wich version of xubuntu?
[15:25] <GridCube> since 11.04 we use lightdm
[15:28] <apm1> light dm rocks :)
[15:28] <apm1> even on debian it's better than gdm :)
[15:45] <njall89> Hey there, I am stuck with what seems to be a rather common problem with my broadcom wireless. it does not work. :P Can anyone help?
[15:45] <njall89> using xubuntu 12.04
[15:45] <njall89> And I am a ubuntu newb,
[15:47] <njall89> well, is anyone feels like it and sees this message give me some sort of a nod sometime soon, thank you
[15:48] <GridCube> !ot | njall89
[15:48] <GridCube> :)
[15:52] <bazhang> !broadcom | njall89 start here
[15:52] <schreber> is it normal for the trash can (within the file manager) to simply disappear?
[15:53] <holstein> schreber: maybe you have just removed a bookmark/shortcut
[15:54] <schreber> oddly no. but given the oddity that it is how would I check to see if that is the case?
[15:54] <GridCube> oh... i have to read the whole messages people send :/ sorry njall89
[16:21] <kbarter> hello
[16:21] <kbarter> can I ask you for help? I am not sure where look for this specific problem cos its about Wake on Lan - ACPI..
[16:23] <recon_lap> just ask, if anyone knows they will answer, you might want to create a pastebin with all the details so you can ask again easily
[16:23] <zombyrad> Hi, I have a question about the Parole media player: can you change the video output, like in mplayer?
[16:25] <GridCube> zombyrad, i dont know
[16:26] <kbarter> ok. first: the problem is with network card which supports Wake on Lan - g. I can set up WOL, etc, all everything about it. but problem is when I turn off computer, network card is also turned off and there is no chance to do WOL after bigger amount of time (hour and so on). I am able to turn on server to minute with WOL so I presume there is a problem with ACPI or something like that. Something like "You, network card, stay turned o
[16:27] <kbarter> That means I am able to turn PC on to a minute after poweroff, later not. I made this with Ubuntu wiki and network card does nothing :-(
[16:53] <GridCube> !java
[16:53] <baizon> i recommend openjdk
[16:54] <GridCube> !openjdk
[16:55] <GridCube> oh...
[16:55] <baizon> !openjre
[16:55] <GridCube> For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Java. Please upgrade to the latest version.
[16:55] <GridCube> :(
[16:55] <baizon> well its on the java page
[16:55] <GridCube> installing java7 its a pita
[16:55] <baizon> GridCube:  icedtea-7-plugin
[16:56] <baizon> this will gelp
[16:56] <baizon> help
[16:56] <recon_lap> is their a safe version of java?
[16:56] <recon_lap> there*
[16:56] <GridCube> baizon, trying that
[16:56] <baizon> recon_lap: openjdk is save :) java too just install the new version
[16:56] <GridCube> holly earth, its 67MiB
[16:57] <baizon> GridCube: because of the openjdk-7-jre
[16:57] <GridCube> mmhm yes
[17:05] <kbarter> need to go for a bit to test WOL
[17:06] <baizon> wol?
[17:07] <kbarter> wake on lan
[17:07] <kbarter> i have problem with network card, it turns off despite configured /etc/init.d/halt
[17:09] <kbarter> so IDK where the problem is
[18:25] <xubuntu188> I just upgraded to 12.10.  One of the changes I would like to find the fix for is the Panel.  Instead of being locked the part with you log in name, date/time, wifi, batttery and virtual desktops moves.  Can this be locked to the right side of the panel again?
[18:28] <GridCube> add a separator and set it to auto expand
[18:34] <xubuntu188> Thanks GridCube
[19:14] <dplord> hello
[19:15] <recon_lap> wow, 9 seconds must be a new record
[19:18] <GridCube> yep
[20:38] <Evropi> hello everyone
[20:38] <Evropi> bug to report
[20:38] <Evropi> and I guess -devel would not want imbeciles like -.-
[20:38] <Evropi> me*
[20:38] <moetunes> !bugs
[20:39] <Evropi> lol, thanks
[20:39] <Evropi> but see
[20:39] <Evropi> I'm not sure if it IS a bug
[20:39] <moetunes> depends on the type of bug I would guess
[20:39] <TheSheep> just describe the problem already :)
[20:39] <Evropi> I can't delete separators in the edit menu dialog for the Applications Menu (top left by default)
[20:39] <Evropi> I removed Ubuntu Software Centre from there
[20:40] <Evropi> oh yeah and I can't make USC appear in the System menu
[20:40] <Evropi> (by checking the box)
[20:40] <Evropi> is there some text configuration for this like with Openbox?
[20:41] <Evropi> but yeah basically in the "root" menu I have a separator that I'd like to remove and as many times as I click delete, nothing happens
[20:41] <Evropi> Xubuntu 12.10 btw
[20:42] <Evropi> so, any ideas?
[20:43] <TheSheep> Evropi: well, the menu is assembled from files that are in your /usr/share/applications/
[20:44] <TheSheep> Evropi: you can copy them to your /home/username/.local/share/applications and edit there, they are text files
[20:44] <Evropi> thanks
[20:44] <TheSheep> Evropi: and they might have additional rules in them that the menu editor doesn't understand
[20:44] <Evropi> cool
[20:44] <Evropi> btw, do you use WeeChat or something
[20:45] <Suxumuxu> hi guys :)
[20:45] <Evropi> I've learn to come to despise the auto-highlight thingymajiggy -.-
[20:45] <Evropi> γεια χαρά
[20:45] <TheSheep> Evropi: I use irssi
[20:45] <Suxumuxu> geia sou Evropi pou esi mas maranes :P
[20:45] <Evropi> yeah no hard feelings, just no need to highlight all the time :)
[20:46] <Suxumuxu> wraia parea!!!
[20:46] <TheSheep> sorry, that's a habit from the really busy channels
[20:46] <Evropi> lol Suxumuxu, δεν είναι καλά τα ελληνικά μου, έχω μεγαλώσει στην Αγγλία αλλά ευχαριστώ
[20:46] <Evropi> let's continue in English
[20:46] <Suxumuxu> Guys , I love xfce!!!
[20:47] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, : Cool , glad to meet you ... , even in this digital form :P
[20:47] <TheSheep> there is also #xubuntu-offtopic, just saying :)
[20:48] <Evropi> Wahaha, this choice of handle actually came from educational aims
[20:48] <Evropi> people would ask me what "Evropi" means, I tell them it's how Europe should pronounce and teach them a lesson in ethymology and linguistics
[20:48] <Evropi> that's the main idea but no-one has asked me to this day -.- feels bad man
[20:49] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, i won't ask you because i know that Evropi was one of the many Zeus lovers ;)
[20:49] <TheSheep> it's a channel where you can talk about things like education and linguistics, for example, without highlighting the peple who just want to help with xubuntu :)
[20:49] <TheSheep> it's really great
[20:50] <Evropi> haha sorry, I'll stop there then
[20:50] <TheSheep> *wink* *wink*
[20:50] <Evropi> seems pretty dead though
[20:50] <TheSheep> easy to change
[20:51] <Evropi> okay TheSheep, I have a support query
[20:51] <Evropi> is there a way to make Java applications that use the infamous Swing GUI... integrate more?
[20:51] <Suxumuxu> sorry guys can you suggest me a way to recover my files , the problem is that installed xubuntu with encryption on top of my old install partitions..
[20:51] <Evropi> I'm looking at GeoGebra in particular
[20:52] <Suxumuxu> the result is that my partition were merged into one encrypted and disapeare with my files alltogether....
[20:52] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: I don't have good news for you
[20:52] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : Tell what i am feeling already ...
[20:53] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: they were most probably formatted in the process
[20:53] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: and filled with random data before the encryption
[20:54] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: but it's possible that your encrypted home partition is just mounted on top of your old home, in that case it's recoverable
[20:54] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : I think that xubuntu should have mentioned with more BOLD  that it will erase EVERYTHING
[20:54] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: can you pastebin the output of 'mount' command?
[20:54] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : Sure one moment!!
[20:55] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: well, you are supposed to make a backup before you touch any partitions anyways, and I believe xubuntu tells you that
[20:55] <Evropi> http://pastee.org
[20:55] <Evropi> privacy conscious pastebin (yes, I use DuckDuckGo)
[20:56] <TheSheep> there is also an ubuntu one in the topic
[20:56] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : yeah yeah , The truth is that i let my selkf click next next without thinking enoupg . god demit ...
[20:57] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, : Cool I 'll use it :) ;) I LOVE YOU!!!
[20:57] <Evropi> No homo
[20:57] <Evropi> -)
[20:58] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, : lol , me too , join me LOL :P
[20:59] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : https://pastee.org/nmnq4
[21:00] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : the password is :   evropiMeansEurope
[21:00] <TheSheep> that is ridiculous...
[21:00] <Evropi> wahaha
[21:00] <TheSheep> you paste it on the same channel, one next to the other
[21:01] <TheSheep> what's the point?
[21:01] <TheSheep> anyways
[21:01] <TheSheep> it doesn't look like you have any encrypted partitions mounted?
[21:04] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : sorry i reinstalled without encryption after i realized that my files were not easy recoverable
[21:05] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : before reinstallation i tried with testdisk and photorec BUT nothing helpfull came out :(
[21:05] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: ok, can you pastebin the result of 'sudo fdisk -l' (that will list all partitions on your disks)
[21:05] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, :Testdisk is supposed to find accidentaly deleted partition...
[21:06] <TheSheep> but if you formatted them, then there is really no hope
[21:06] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, ; ok but i think that the bitpadding has done is job... to make my old partitions a ghost...
[21:08] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, :  https://pastee.org/2f553
[21:08] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : Here you are
[21:09] <Evropi> Suxumuxu: if my proposition interests you please reply in query chat
[21:09] <Evropi> and yes, this is a genuine effort to recruit translators for open source
[21:09] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : I think that the problem is that i can't use the live-cd approach because the partition was encrypted....
[21:10] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, : One moment please :)
[21:10] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: looks like it's all formatted and gone, sorry
[21:11] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, ; Don't feel sorry ,it is my fault to be very "click Next" tolerant.....
[21:12] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : anyway Thanks for your time dude , really Thanks!
[21:13] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : What i learned today is that when you encrypt a disc
[21:13] <Suxumuxu> bitpadding happens in the meantime.... and destroys your data....
[21:13] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: there are two kinds of people, those who make backups and those who will be making backups
[21:14] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : I am probably ...the second one :P
[21:14] <Evropi> hahaha, true dat :)
[21:15] <Evropi> I have yet to use one of those cloud backup services
[21:15] <Evropi> they seem like such a pain in the ass to set up
[21:15] <TheSheep> Evropi: that sounds like an oxymoron
[21:15] <Evropi> Ubuntu One certainly was
[21:16] <Evropi> I closed my ubuntu one account, I couldn't figure out a good workflow
[21:16] <TheSheep> Evropi: you make a backup to know exactly where your data is, you put data in cloud to not know where it is
[21:16] <Evropi> it created a separate folder in /home IIRC
[21:16] <Evropi> lol
[21:16] <TheSheep> Evropi: you need a separate device that you keep in a separate building
[21:16] <Evropi> my own? Nah, too expensive and time consuming
[21:16] <TheSheep> (in case of fire or burglary)
[21:17] <Evropi> I would consider a remote service though
[21:17] <Evropi> assuming the price is reasonable
[21:17] <Evropi> ownCloud and Tonido seem to require too much of a fuss to set up
[21:18] <Evropi> though ownCloud is pretty cool I must admit and I've always liked KDE (until my ancient tower began finding it too heavy)
[21:18] <TheSheep> all the cloud services that I ever used were so far less reliable than my own laptop
[21:19] <TheSheep> but I might be a wrong example
[21:19] <Evropi> so how do you do your backups? I've always wanted an automated way to backup remotely
[21:19] <Evropi> inb4 rsync
[21:20] <TheSheep> I just tar it all to an external hard disk drive once a month, and keep it in a different location
[21:20] <TheSheep> but I don't have that much data
[21:21] <TheSheep> about 60GB compressed, maybe
[21:21] <Evropi> that's a LOT of data
[21:21] <Evropi> also, tarballs don't compress files
[21:21] <TheSheep> tar gz
[21:21] <Evropi> ah
[21:21] <Evropi> bz2 is better
[21:21] <TheSheep> (I should be using bz2 but old habits)
[21:21] <TheSheep> yeah
[21:21] <Evropi> ha
[21:22] <TheSheep> anyways, an usb hdd is peanuts, and you only pay for it once
[21:22] <TheSheep> it doesn't need to be fast
[21:22] <martinphone> a restart has been lagging in my laptop for 6 hours, can that be a problem? are restart updates supossed to be restarted within seconds or minutes since the notification?
[21:23] <TheSheep> martinphone: restart updates?
[21:23] <martinphone> updates that require a restart TheDrums eS
[21:23] <martinphone> updates that require a restart TheSheep
[21:24] <Unit193> I don't always, but I ignore those for days/weeks.
[21:24] <martinphone> o...
[21:25] <TheSheep> martinphone: it's not restarting, it's just telling you that you need to restart to use the things it updated
[21:25] <martinphone> how many days/weeks do you leave you machine on if you dont mind the question?
[21:25] <martinphone> ok
[21:25] <xubuntu567> hello
[21:26] <xubuntu567> can i set rss feed in xubuntu's panel?
[21:26] <xubuntu567> and it's possible to add pidgin and skype to startup in background?
[21:27] <Evropi> eh, I don't think Xfce has these facilities (it ain't no Plasma desktop)
[21:27] <Evropi> there should be some X11 apps for it though
[21:27] <TheSheep> xubuntu567: I don't know of a panel plugin that supports rss
[21:27] <TheSheep> xubuntu567: you can, see the 'sessions and startup' in settings
[21:29] <xubuntu567> i know that, but i don't know commads
[21:31] <TheSheep> xubuntu567: the commands are 'pidgin' and 'skype' respectively
[21:31] <Quelp> I already asked a few hours ago, but unfortunately no one could answered my Question so try it again ;) Have anyone found a way to use the indicator-messages within 12.10? I've already tried to use the precise packages, but it complains about missing libraries (libxfce4util.so.4, libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3).. Symlinking them doesnt work either: "undefined symbol: xfce_panel_plugin_provider_set_orientation"
[21:32] <TheSheep> Quelp: I guess you would need to compile them for the new xfce4 versiob
[21:32] <TheSheep> version
[21:33] <Unit193> Quelp: Install indicator-messages_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb indicator-messages-gtk2_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb indicator-status-provider-mc5_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb indicator-status-provider-pidgin_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb libindicator-messages-status-provider1_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  to have all that precise did.
[21:33] <Unit193> Though, compiling may be better.
[21:34] <Quelp> Unit193: This are the packages i have tried, but the amd64 versions of them. Does this make a difference?
[21:35] <Unit193> If you have 64bit, that's what you should use.  Not had a 64bit Xubuntu.
[21:36] <Quelp> Okay thanks. I'll try it again
[21:37] <Unit193> I did sudo dpkg -i *.deb  (with those being the only ones in the dir)
[21:37] <Quelp> Ah, so i should take xfce4-indicator-plugin from the quantal repo?
[21:39] <jamin> near as I can tell, Xubuntu 12.10 uses gnome-disks as it's preferred disk manipulation tool (via Settings).  Which appears to use udisks2 behind the scenes.  However, it appears that policy kit authorizations were not created
[21:43] <jamin> of the possible actions it appears that local admins are only authorized for two: org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount-system and org.freedesktop.udisks2.encrypted-unlock-system
[21:43] <Evropi> weird, I thought Ubuntu had completed the /bin and /usr/bin merge?
[21:44] <jamin> make that three..
[21:45] <Quelp> Yep, with the quantal version of xfce4-indicator-plugin it works :)
[21:59] <jrzabott> good evening everybody...
[21:59] <jrzabott> Can anyone help?
[22:01] <jrzabott> I have an fresh Kubuntu installed... I'd like to install xfce... but 500Mb seems to much to spend with it... May I install it in another manner than: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[22:36] <holstein> jrzabott: xubuntu-desktop will get you just that... the xubuntu desktop, which is XFCE and more
[22:36] <holstein> jrzabott: you can just install xfce if you want
[22:39] <jrzabott> holstein: I am already googling that... but.. I can't figure out how...
[22:41] <jrzabott> holstein: i'm looking in muon package manager, but still understand how...  The answer seems so close and easy and I can't grab it.
[22:42] <holstein> jrzabott: you can open the package manager of your choice and search xfce
[22:42] <holstein> !xfce
[22:43] <Evropi> lol
[22:43] <holstein> *instead* is a key word there... you should read about the changes that are about to happen to kubuntu
[22:43] <jrzabott> thankx ubottu , but i'm trying to avoid the additional 300Mb
[22:43] <holstein> jrzabott: you will take on extra packages.. you have no gtk libs'
[22:43] <jrzabott> holstein: get it... 'a bit'.
[22:43] <holstein> jrzabott: not really.. you'll need a lot
[22:44] <holstein> jrzabott: its just like if i wanted KDE..i would have to take on all hte necessary packages to run the desktop... and i have none installed
[22:45] <holstein> jrzabott: thats why i suggest just installing xfce
[22:45] <jrzabott> holstein: Yes... I understand that... And i am 'researching' some light window manager to use in my old notebook, to make is faster...
[22:45] <holstein> jrzabott: you can always try them live.. then you dont have to change your system unecessarily
[22:46] <jrzabott> Kubuntu was the best choice until today, when i saw Lubuntu running... Man... that was really fast.
[22:46] <holstein> lubuntu is LXDE... sudo apt-get install lxde
[22:47] <jrzabott> Yes... but i'm like to try both...
[22:47] <holstein> jrzabott: sure.. and you'll need to install a lot of GTK stuff for either
[22:47] <jrzabott> and the 'logic' in xcfe must be very close do lxde
[22:48] <holstein> jrzabott: they are just different options... i dont think anyone will argue LXDE is lighter... i find it easier and less hassle to just install LXDE, sudo apt-get install lxde
[22:48] <jrzabott> just that?
[22:49] <holstein> that would be a nice thing to try on the way to installing either xubuntu-desktop or xfce4
[22:49] <Unit193> Or lubuntu-core.
[22:49] <jrzabott> holstein: i've heard about 'mate' too...
[22:49] <Unit193> xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[22:49] <holstein> jrzabott: ?.. you ask for the main package, and it will pull in what it needs.. mate is not in the repos
[22:49] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~amanas/+archive/mate-desktop
[22:50] <holstein> i would install xfce4 as Unit193 has suggested, or lxde
[22:50] <jrzabott> Unit193: thank you... Is it like holstein  just mentioned? Just installs what is needed to 'run' ?
[22:51] <holstein> jrzabott: you dont need to pull in or specifiy anything else.. you say "install lxde" and the package manager manages what packages need installed
[22:51] <jrzabott> holstein: I'll try both... But I couldn't find any reference to just install XFCE or LDXEç... only 'l(x)ubuntu-desktop'...
[22:51] <holstein> jrzabott: im still not sure where or how you are searching
[22:52] <holstein> jrzabott: i would open a terminal and type "apt-cache search xfce" or "apt-cache search lxde"
[22:52] <jrzabott> google: install XFCE on ubuntu
[22:52] <holstein> or install/open synaptic, and search there.. or try the software center... or another package manager
[22:53] <jrzabott> I get... holstein  thanks... and thanks Unit193  too. =)
[22:53] <jrzabott> i'l looking in muon package manager.
[22:53] <jrzabott> right now
[22:53] <holstein> http://www.techlw.com/2012/02/install-xfce-desktop-environment-on.html is the first that comes up for me in a google search, and suggests what Unit193 suggested
[22:53] <holstein> i would do the --no-install-recommends option
[22:54] <holstein> http://complete-concrete-concise.com/ubuntu-2/ubuntu-12-04/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-install-the-xfce-desktop suggests "sudo apt-get install xfce4" as i suggested
[22:55] <jrzabott> ok... I was looking for xubuntu or lubuntu.... my bad...
[22:55] <jrzabott> i'm sorry7... i saw right now on my google tab.
[22:56] <jrzabott> i'll install both right now... soon as wine finishes installing.
[22:56] <holstein> you wont be able to install xubuntu in ubuntu.. you would convert ubuntu to xubuntu by installing xubntu-desktop or xfce4.. could have just been the jargon
[22:56] <jrzabott> =)
[22:57] <jrzabott> Lets see if I understood that... When I type in terminal... sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop... i'm now installing a window manager, i'm caonverting an entire contructed system to another?
[22:57] <jrzabott> is it something like that?
[22:57] <jrzabott> *.. i'm not installing...
[22:58] <jrzabott> The 'right command', cut from 500Mb to use down to 70Mb. lol
[22:59] <holstein> jrzabott: i would run "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[22:59] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu with the lxde desktop, but lubuntu is not the same as just ubuntu with lxde installed.. though very similar
[23:00] <holstein> if you say "install lubuntu-desktop", you might get parts of kubuntu removed... thats why Unit193 suggested --no-intall-recommends for the xubuntu-desktop install
[23:00] <Unit193> Sure.
[23:00] <holstein> if you just want to add lxde,, you just install lxde... not the lubuntu desktop, which is a lot more than just lxde
[23:01] <jrzabott> Ok, i'll do that. =)
[23:01] <jrzabott> holstein: ok. I'll read a little bit more, dig deeper... I really appreciate your  ( holstein )good will , and yours Unit193 . =)
[23:02] <holstein> jrzabott: its challening to have more that on *-desktop installed.. since it includes the login manager and all that
[23:02] <jrzabott> see ya soon, to ask a little more about lsde, like how to increse the icon in the taskbar,.
[23:02] <jrzabott> lol
[23:02] <holstein> jrzabott: theres a #lubuntu channel too :)
[23:02] <holstein> enjoy
[23:02] <jrzabott> lightdm can hnadle it, right?
[23:02] <jrzabott> sorry... Xfce
[23:03] <jrzabott> hahahaah
[23:03] <holstein> its not an issue of "handling it"... you said you wanted to add xfce to your kubuntu install.. what you have done could remove KDE and kubuntu-desktop, changing your install more than what i understood you wanted to
[23:04] <Unit193> If you just install xfce4, may want to install xubuntu-default-settings or xubuntu-artwork to get a little more of a feel what Xubuntu would be like.
[23:04] <holstein> also, just trying the live CD's til you are sure...
[23:05] <jrzabott> yes... I just want too add xfce and lxde
[23:05] <jrzabott> not change the 'kubuntu'... that is working very fine until now.
[23:06] <jrzabott> i can't count on a live CD in my old notebook. lol
[23:06] <holstein> jrzabott: installing lubuntu-desktop could change that... i would just insatll lxde
[23:06] <jrzabott> this is what i'll after all the good advices =)
[23:06] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde ..or sudo apt-get install xfce4
[23:07] <jrzabott> So just to make sure... sudo apt-get install xfcew4 --no-install-recommended
[23:07] <holstein> its not the end of the world to go "oops" and install kubuntu-desktop.. but i would look at what is being installed and removed when you say what you are doing
[23:08] <holstein> jrzabott: xfce4 is *not* xubuntu-desktop.. xfce4 is just xfce4
[23:08] <jrzabott> ok... for (l or x)ubuntu-desktop i would do --no-recomm...
[23:08] <holstein> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends is what Unit193 suggested to get the xubuntu desktop without changing your kubuntu install
[23:08] <jrzabott> and just for the amanger sudo apt-get install 'desired package'
[23:09] <holstein> i personally havent used that --no-install-recommends command, though i trust Unit193 implicitly
[23:09] <jrzabott> ok...
[23:10] <jrzabott> But I can't figure out... what is best...
[23:10] <jrzabott> xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop --no-reco...
[23:10] <holstein> jrzabott: best is a matter of opinion... xfce4 is just xfce4... xubuntu-desktop is the xubuntu desktop.. depends on what you want
[23:10] <jrzabott> not best... but more likelly  to not harm my kubuntu install
[23:11] <jrzabott> and my 'defaults configs' and etc.
[23:12] <holstein> jrzabott: neither will "harm" anything.. just might remove it.. everything is open and fixable... if you are afraid you'll break something, try them live or in virtualization... or just add the xfce4 package
[23:12] <holstein> jrzabott: no "configs" in the /home directory should be affected
[23:13] <jrzabott> I used before, Ubuntu with unity. i've installed "kubuntu-desktop". and everything in kde and unity was not like it was once before...
[23:13] <jrzabott> was a real mess.
[23:13] <jrzabott> the standard programs do pdf, file manager, IM client.
[23:13] <jrzabott> even managing devices was messy
[23:14] <jrzabott> this is why I've cleaned the mess up and installed kubuntu (that fist best my needs until now)
[23:15] <holstein> jrzabott: thats the reason i suggest just installing xfce4... or lxde... i know sudo apt-get install lxde is pretty easy on the system, and a good place to start
[23:15] <holstein> jrzabott: default application selection is part of the fun though
[23:17] <jrzabott> of course... but realizes that I openen pdf with document viewer from firefox,  but when through file manager open in okular
[23:17] <jrzabott> holstein: I was really obsessed...
[23:20] <jrzabott> holstein: this is just an example... there was lots of activities.
[23:20] <jrzabott> but this is it... I will install at first the 'managers' then... the -desktops
[23:21] <jrzabott> thanks everybody... sorry for the slowness  ^^
[23:21] <jrzabott> good night 4 ya all from Brazil.
[23:22] <xubuntu476> allo


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[12:56] <osama> hi
[12:58] <osama> asuming nobody lives here
[17:06] <lubmil> !dk
[17:06] <ChanSeba> lubmil: smacznej kawy! :)
[22:02] <lubmil> .t
[22:02] <ChanSeba> Sun, 04 Sep 2016 00:02:55 CEST
[22:03] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en i już Niedziela.
[22:03] <ChanSeba> and already Sunday.
[22:03]  * lubmil listens to: The Tremeloes - Once On A Sunday Morning


[00:32] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 20.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[06:59] <astraljava> brainwash: Thanks, I'll try later today. :)
[15:45] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Add masakari packages to supported seed @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=d6dbb6f2e353b4047078402facd02bd36324449e (by James Page)
[17:20] <jphilips> hi all. hope you all have been well.
[17:20] <jphilips> was wondering who is involved with management of the website, as i noticed problems with the irc links
[17:21] <jphilips> when visiting the 'get involved' page - https://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[17:22] <jphilips> clicking on the 'developer irc channel' link or button leads to http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-irc which doesnt work
[17:29] <jphilips> hey bluesabre
[17:32] <jphilips> was there any decisions made at the meetings regarding the keyboard shortcuts or panel height proposals i made?
[17:52] <knome> jphilips, thanks, i'll take care of that
[17:54] <knome> JackFrost, did the new freenode webchat support getting the channel name from the url parameters?
[17:57] <knome> JackFrost, would you be happy with https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/chat.freenode.net/xubuntu-devel ?
[18:11] <jphilips> knome: would be good to unify the irc link, as the 'developer area' page has this link - http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=xubuntu-devel&nick=tracker.&prompt=1&uio=MTE9MjE131
[18:46] <JackFrost> knome: Not sure there's a point in using kiwiirc.com over freenode's kiwi.
[20:10] <knome> right, there it is; a link that actually fills in the channel name :P
[20:10] <knome> that's what i was looking for but didn't find
[20:14] <JackFrost> https://kiwi.freenode.net/?nick=xubuntuer?#xubuntu-devel eg
[20:14] <knome> oh, even nick
[20:15] <knome> except that doesn't work for the channel
[20:15] <knome> anyway, website updated already
[20:16] <knome> now you simply need to figure out a nick for yourself
[20:25] <JackFrost> knome: I'm looking into the part where the link I used didn't work, as far as I am aware it should.
[21:27] <JackFrost> There's still xfce4-session and xfce4-settings merges pending.
[23:29] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Considered going for motu recently?


[08:09] <laney> jawn-smith: it would be worth filing a bug/card to fix that flakiness, especially given ubuntu-image is something we maintain ...
[09:32] <xnox> seb128:  was on pto, will be submitting it today. (initramfs-tools zstd bionic sru)
[09:32] <seb128> xnox, thanks!
[09:32] <xnox> sil2100:  preinstalled images are here =) nice. But also wondering why arm64 one is 240MB bigger than amd64 one!
[11:11] <sil2100> xnox: hey! Good to hear! I didn't even have time to take a look at those yet ;)
[13:36] <jawn-smith> laney: as of 21.10 ubuntu-image will be completely re-written in golang, and one of my goals during the rewrite will be tests that aren't flakey
[18:15] <xnox> seb128:  heya, i am confused.
[18:15] <xnox> bionic's unmkinitramfs does not have lz4 support either. and we have been building all our isos with lz4 initrds for a few cycles now.
[18:15] <xnox> are you sure that the system that checks things is running stock initramfs-tools from bionic.... and doesn't already have some local backports installed?
[18:16] <xnox> i guess i could add both lz4 and zstd support to unmkinitramfs in bionic, but just checking to be sure. In case we do bionic sru and that doesn't actually fix our iso static CI
[20:50] <seb128> xnox, hum, I need to check, it's not impossible that someone just hacked the script on the CI system to workaround the issue rather than getting in fixed in a SRU
[21:00] <seb128> xnox, so yeah, the machine has a local version of unmkinitramfs which was probably created to workaround tghe missing lz support, I wil try to add zstd locally, would still be useful to have an official SRU, it's not the first time I have to do local hacks due to the missing formats


[12:06] <khermans> ogra, after readin through your suggestions -- i am still confused
[12:06] <khermans> what if all machines have different network cards?
[12:07] <ogra> you need different isos
[12:07] <khermans> ok
[12:09] <ogra> if you have spare disks in the clients, you could even follow the .zhd method and install a bootimage to disssk
[12:09] <khermans> ogra, if they already have Ubuntu Breezy  installed, cant I just login using XDCMP ?
[12:09] <ogra> nope
[12:09] <khermans> if I have the Edubuntu server setup
[12:10] <khermans> im a little confused how this all works
[12:10] <ogra> ubuntu/edubuntu ltsp doesnt use xdmcp
[12:11] <ogra> a minimal environment (kernel, Xserver and loginmanager) is loaded via netbooting and nfs mounting...
[12:11] <khermans> into memory?
[12:11] <khermans> ok
[12:11] <ogra> if you log in with the loginmanager, it establishes a ssh tunnel to the server and starts a X session for you there
[12:12] <khermans> well then, couldnt i just install the ltsp client package on the existing Ubuntu machines or no?
[12:12] <ogra> no xdmcp involved, everything encrypted
[12:12] <ogra> nope
[12:12] <khermans> heh, weird
[12:12] <khermans> ogra, is there no auto-detect network card ISO image that I can boot from then?
[12:12] <ogra> the ltsp-client package is for the chroot environment on the server from which the clients boot
[12:13] <ogra> you need to know the network card, right
[12:13] <khermans> that will enable me to use the same CD on multiple machines to boot the client environment, and then login to the server?
[12:13] <ogra> if the machines all have the same network card, yes
[12:13] <khermans> weird, you would think that the CD could detect the card
[12:14] <ogra> its a minimal CD ...
[12:14] <khermans> i dont see what information needs to be known ahead of time, knoppix finds your module on the fly
[12:14] <khermans> i see
[12:14] <ogra> this image is built to fit in a bootrom, so it only carrys the minimal stuff
[12:14] <khermans> ogra, it just becomes difficult when you have a whole bunch of random puters trhown together for a lan
[12:15] <ogra> i know ...
[12:15] <ogra> but there is nothing else you could do...
[12:15] <khermans> would be nice to have a more maximal "atuo-detecting" boot CD-Rom
[12:16] <ogra> did you use a ltsp solution before ?
[12:19] <ogra> actually i think installing ltsp-client on the clients could work ... but you need to disable some stuff
[12:20] <ogra> and make sure there is no other display manager installed ...
[12:22] <ogra> if you want to try this, make sure to remove gdm and remove the link /etc/rcS.d/S32ltsp-client-setup after installing the package ... but note, nobody has ever tested this
[12:23] <ogra> you'll probably have to create a lts.conf file to set the SERVER variable
[03:29] <magnon> ogra: the student control panel logo is ugly! :P
[03:31] <MMond> edubuntu comes default with gnome, eh
[03:31] <MMond> There's no . . . kedubuntu? =(
[03:31] <magnon> MMond: It does, yes, but a replacement is fairly simple
[03:31] <magnon> well, it's just a matter of installing kubuntu-desktop on top, and you're good
[03:32] <MMond> Do forgive my ignorance -- I want GNOME, and all that is offered in the KDE Edutainment Project [ http://edu.kde.org/ ]  -- do I make sense?
[03:33] <Yagisan> ah
[03:33] <Yagisan> yeah, you could do that
[03:33] <magnon> I think most of the kdeedu stuff is already installed by edubuntu
[03:33] <MMond> I will be trying Linux the first time . . . will I have to play around a bit?
[03:33] <neurogeek> Yagisan, how are you doing?
[03:33] <MMond> As to tweak things, that require strict knowledge towards certain things
[03:34] <Yagisan> neurogeek: not bad, quite sore - I've decided to "fire" my uni and pick another one, and the baby still isn't out
[03:34] <magnon> MMond: as long as your hardware is compatible, I don't think you will find installing edubuntu workstation difficult at all.
[03:35] <magnon> or ubuntu proper, for that matter
[03:35] <neurogeek> Yagisan, too bad..
[03:35] <Yagisan> neurogeek: which one ? :)
[03:36] <neurogeek> Yagisan, both.. :)
[03:36] <Yagisan> MMond: after installing edubuntu, use synaptic to install kdeedu
[03:36] <MMond> Oh, cool . . . just bought a junk PC to play around with this (it's not that junky though, should work with everything without many problems) - anyhow, one last question - if I was to choose Fluxbox as the window manager and I still wanted all that is offered from the KDE Edutainment Project, would ths be "doable?"
[03:37] <Yagisan> MMond: yes, it's quite doable
[03:37] <Yagisan> MMond: eg, my desktop is gnome, but I like k3b (kde's cdburning application), so that's what I use
[03:37] <MMond> Oh, I never knew it was that easy.. or doable, for that matter
[03:38] <neurogeek> MMond, you just need some libs from gnome and KDE
[03:38] <neurogeek> i use enlightenment and I can use whatever i want from both
[03:38] <Yagisan> MMond: which automatically install when you install any application that needs them (you may need an internet connection)
[03:39] <MMond> When doing it from Synaptic only though, right?
[03:39] <Yagisan> neurogeek: enlightenment was nice, but I couldn't get it to work with Japanese when I tried
[03:39] <Yagisan> MMond: Synaptic or aptitude, yes
[03:41] <Yagisan> neurogeek: my uni is getting "fired" for several reasons. I'm a DE student
[03:41] <MMond> Ah, alright. Well, I got pleasant answers here . . . and thank you indeed for them. I am off for some work, thanks again - and good night
[03:41] <Yagisan> neurogeek: hence the uni forums are supposed to be my classroom
[03:42] <Yagisan> neurogeek: I got punished for trying to use them as a classroom :( ie trying to discuss the subject
[03:43] <Yagisan> neurogeek: And the uni never answered my phone calls or emails or faxes - so time to find a new one.
[03:44] <Yagisan> brb
[03:44] <neurogeek> Yagisan, Well thats right.. you can't just wait or do whatever they like you to do.. good point and good luck
[03:49] <mhz> hi all
[03:51] <neurogeek> mhz, hey!! how are you doing??
[03:51] <mhz> neurogeek: nice to see ya
[03:51] <mhz> neurogeek: i'm fine
[03:51] <neurogeek> mhz, same here
[03:51] <neurogeek> mhz, glad to hear that
[03:51] <mhz> i just had a very long meeting that ended 3 ours ago and lasted about 4
[03:52] <neurogeek> say what?? thats exhausting.. i hope it brings good things at least
[03:52] <mhz> neurogeek: in the meeting, one of the core points was the Maracaibo event
[03:53] <mhz> Do you think we (Tecnocimiento) should make this effort to get there (I mean, spending money that could be spent on cd's or marketing edubuntu in Chile, etc.)?
[03:53] <mhz> neurogeek: ping
[03:58] <mhz> neurogeek: ping
[03:58] <mhz> neurogeek: ping
[04:00] <mhz> neurogeek: ping
[04:01] <neurogeek> mhz, sorry.. i was reading emails. jeje
[04:02] <mhz> jejeje, np
[04:02] <neurogeek> mhz, depending on what you are promoting..
[04:03] <mhz> it's just that this week is gonna be very hard. I am trying to motivate a very important Chilean medium company to help Tecnocimiento and work together
[04:03] <neurogeek> it could be interesnting though.. mainly because big enterprises are going to be there..
[04:04] <neurogeek> probably this enterprises could start something here.. they are very interested in education.. so called <<misiones>> here
[04:05] <mhz> They have biz relantionships with many (about 1000) schools here. Tecnocimiento is working (mostly volunteer work) hard to make a biz model model out of social insertion with ITC.
[04:05] <mhz> Will be able to talk (at least 30 mins each?)
[04:05] <mhz> ?
[04:06] <neurogeek> could be possible.. could you send me an email with the topic?? i'll pass it to some people here to see if they can fit you in
[04:06] <mhz> I mean, if I get funds to get there, can I tell my 'mecenas': Sure, we'll have some time to show and do Public Relations, and maybe even get interesting ideas and feedback.
[04:07] <mhz> neurogeek: I can do that
[04:08] <neurogeek> mhz, yes.. send me that email.. and i'll forward it asap to see what they can do
[04:08] <mhz> neurogeek: any 'technical data sheet' about the event I can read and sum up for my mecenas?
[04:09] <mhz> I know they'll be interested on # of atendees, speakers, objectives, etc
[04:09] <neurogeek> mhz, yeap.. here: http://tecnologialibre.org/
[04:09] <neurogeek> numbers of attendees im not sure.. but the rest is there
[04:09] <mhz> ohhh
[04:09] <mhz> okidoki
[04:10] <mhz> BTW, how's the project going?
[04:10] <neurogeek> if you check the program.. you'll still see spots to be covered..
[04:11] <neurogeek> Well.. its going great.. just about an hour ago i found out our speech at PyCon2006 was accepted.. so we are going to be at it next year
[04:11] <mhz> cOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[04:12] <mhz> it feels great LA is impacting positively on IT areas. Usually, we've been more passive
[04:13] <skvidal> neurogeek: ping
[04:13] <neurogeek> yes.. is because of the OpenSource model.. it helps nacions to be more self-aware of new and better technologies
[04:13] <mhz> neurogeek: skvidal is moin user
[04:14] <mhz> neurogeek: exactly
[04:14] <neurogeek> skvidal, hello
[04:14] <skvidal> neurogeek: mhz from #moin suggested you might know something about docbook rendering problems in moin?
[04:14] <skvidal> neurogeek: I'm getting an error I'm not familiar with
[04:14] <skvidal> AttributeErrorXsltRoot instance has no attribute 'outputParams'
[04:14] <skvidal> when trying to enable the docbook format renderer in moin
[04:15] <skvidal> I'm not terribly familiar with docbook or 4Suite so I'm having a bit of trouble debugging this
[04:15] <neurogeek> skvidal, Can you do a dir() on that class??
[04:15] <skvidal> likely
[04:16] <neurogeek> neither do I with docbook.. i've used 4Suite for xslt-xml transformations
[04:17] <skvidal> hmm - I think I know where I should start looking
[04:17] <skvidal> thanks
[04:17] <skvidal> I'll move along from here
[04:17] <skvidal> mhz: thanks for the reference!
[04:18] <Yagisan> re
[04:18] <mhz> Yagisan: how's family and wife holding?
[04:18] <Yagisan> mhz: bub still not out
[04:19] <mhz> hehehe
[04:19] <Yagisan> mhz: yourself ?
[04:19] <mhz> tired but fine
[04:20] <neurogeek> Well, im gone.. see you guys
[04:20] <Yagisan> mhz: sorry no email yet. I've been off the pc for a few days
[04:20] <mhz> neurogeek: I am reading
[04:20] <Yagisan> neurogeek: bye
[04:20] <mhz> once i finish, I'll send you email
[04:20] <neurogeek> mhz, send me the email as soon as you can
[04:20] <neurogeek> Ok
[04:20] <mhz> do i have yours?
[04:20] <neurogeek> Yagisan, nice seeing you again
[04:20] <neurogeek> umm
[04:20] <neurogeek> sorry
[04:20] <neurogeek> jeje
[04:20] <mhz> hehehe
[04:20] <mhz> si po!
[04:20] <neurogeek> mhz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:20] <mhz> okidoki
[04:21] <neurogeek> perfect-.. i'll be expecting it
[04:21] <mhz> educool
[04:21] <mhz> bye
[04:21] <mhz> Yagisan: I had a very important meeting today
[04:22] <Yagisan> mhz: ?
[04:22] <mhz> about education and ICT
[04:22] <mhz> tomorrow, meeting continues
[04:22] <Yagisan> mhz: sounds interesting - any leads ?
[04:22] <mhz> and if all goes well, on Wednesday, we'll know if TC gets some funds to do what we want/need in Chile
[04:23] <Yagisan> mhz: good luck for Wednesday
[04:23] <mhz> I don't wanna have expectations but I can't help it :)
[04:23] <mhz> thx
[04:24] <mhz> do you know what the sex of the baby is?
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: I think it may be a boy, but no we don't know. baby wouldn't hold still for the ultrasound
[04:24] <mhz> hehehehehhe
[04:25] <mhz> my daughter either
[04:25] <mhz> my daughter didn't either
[04:26] <Yagisan> mhz: typical children. Never hold still when you want them too
[04:26] <mhz> hehehe, well, Women never do what we want
[04:26] <mhz> maybe thats a hint
[04:28] <Yagisan> mhz: no they don't.    Give it to me, I'll do it. Useless"
[04:29] <mhz> weeee! student control panel (a.k.a ubuntu TeacherTool) source available
[04:30] <mhz> LOL!!!!!
[04:30] <mhz> it same old story everywhere around the world????????
[04:31] <Yagisan> I believe so.
[04:32] <Yagisan> crap - my monthly I&E reports are late
[04:32] <mhz> we have no future
[04:32] <mhz> I&E?
[04:32] <Yagisan> Income and Expenditure
[04:32] <mhz> ohhhhh
[04:33] <mhz> they tell you how your money/savings go down?
[04:33] <Yagisan> yes, exactly - for 4 straight months now
[04:38] <mhz> Yagisan: I am truly sorry.
[04:38] <mhz> Yagisan: are you part of the ubuntu server team?
[04:39] <mhz> I'm sure your help/experience may be very interesting
[04:39] <Yagisan> mhz: No I'm not
[04:39] <Yagisan> mhz: I didn't know there was a server team
[04:40] <mhz> I guess there is
[04:40] <mhz> or at least, work for ubuntu servers is being done
[04:43] <Yagisan> mhz: I'll look into it when I have time.
[04:43] <mhz> ok
[04:44] <Yagisan> hmm - I lost less money this month compared to last month, but I made no sales ?!?
[04:45] <mhz> hmm, how did it go with your banks and other important referrals?
[04:45] <Yagisan> mhz: that meeting is in 15 days
[04:46] <Yagisan> ah, I know why I lost less money
[04:46] <mhz> oh
[04:46] <Yagisan> transport cost is down, as I spent more time taking wife to and from hospital, rather then seeing customers
[04:47] <mhz> oh, that explains it
[04:48] <Yagisan> now, how to put a positive spin on that, I did offload a ton of business cards there - that could be classed as advertising :)
[04:49] <Yagisan> December should be better - baby will be out by then
[04:50] <mhz> Yagisan: in Chile, we say that all babies bring some good luck with them
[04:51] <Yagisan> mhz: cool, I hope so. Last months loss was $152.83 - that's rather good considering what some months looked like
[04:52] <mhz> hehehe
[04:52] <mhz> I like your positivism
[04:53] <Yagisan> mhz: I need to be optimistic, otherwise the stress would kill me
[04:55] <mhz> how's your arm/hand?
[04:56] <Yagisan> mhz: very sore - I tried resting it over the last few days
[04:57] <mhz> 'tried'?
[04:57] <mhz> couldn't?
[04:57] <Yagisan> mhz: kids never let you rest
[04:58] <mhz> heheheh
[04:58] <mhz> neither do wives
[04:59] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm so happy I only have 1 then :)
[04:59] <mhz> hehehehe
[05:00] <mhz> so, I can say she's my wife
[05:00] <mhz> and former wife wants money all the time
[05:01] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm sure you suggested she could get a job right ?
[05:02] <mhz> hehehehehehe
[05:02] <mhz> yup, and she does have one but still wants money from me
[05:02] <mhz> why is that when marriage ends, women take the kids and sue for money
[05:03] <Yagisan> mhz: me personal opinion, I see nothing wrong with paying for kids, but to pay for someone that can work - I have a problem with that
[05:03] <mhz> mee too
[05:04] <mhz> but being sued just to give money is stupid
[05:04] <Yagisan> mhz: I hope you can see your kids (perhaps suing her for emotional distress ?)
[05:04] <mhz> a father/mother will always want the best for their kids
[05:04] <mhz> hehehe
[05:05] <mhz> i now can, but the first 2 years were unberable
[05:05] <Yagisan> mhz: I agree, but often they disagree on how to do what is best
[05:05] <mhz> yup
[05:06] <mhz> anyways, we were talkng about your money, not wives
[05:06] <mhz> :D
[05:07] <Yagisan> mhz: yep, I'm faxing my I&E into the government, in an effort to avoid seeing them and having to "discuss" why I missed my target
[05:07] <Yagisan> for the first quater
[05:09] <mhz> you got to specify 'targets'?
[05:09] <Yagisan> mhz: yes, I feel I was overly optimistic with mine - I need to revise them down a bit
[05:12] <Yagisan> back soon - off to have lunch
[05:13] <mhz> ok
[07:46] <highvoltage> coolio_za: you are quiet :)
[07:47] <JaneW> hello highvoltage and coolio_za
[07:53] <coolio_za> hiya Jane
[07:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: ~))))
[07:53] <highvoltage> (tidal wave)
[07:57] <highvoltage> cafepress is expensive, not because they're expensive, but because they have a built-in markup.
[07:58] <highvoltage> i was thinking of ordering through them too, but if you're going large-scale, it will be cheaper to use another company.
[08:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes thought so, but what about distribution?
[08:01] <JaneW> coolio_za: congrats for the award!!!
[08:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: you too obviously
[08:02] <JaneW> and everyone else involved
[08:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: are you guys actually using edubuntu yet?
[08:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: LOL at tidal wave (now that I figured it out) ;)
[08:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: thanks
[08:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: no, we'll be starting using edubuntu about a month after the dapper release.
[08:06] <coolio_za> JaneW: thanx this was a great team effort and it feels fantastic being recognised externally on national TV
[09:13] <grace_> hey there
[09:14] <grace_> i know moodle is available in synaptic but has anyone used or actually know that its there
[09:14] <grace_> anyone here ever use moodle
[09:14] <grace_> for a course of some kind
[09:19] <JaneW> coolio_za: indeed, it's great acknowledgement and recognition for you all - well done and keep it up.
[09:19] <JaneW> highvoltage: only after Dapper, pour quoi (why)?
[09:19] <highvoltage> grace_: yep, http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/moodle
[09:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: current edubuntu isn't quite ready for us yet, we're not ready for it either.
[09:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: fair enough
[09:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: sound and even simple local device access (such as floppy access) is important for us
[09:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you see we have sound sorted on LTSP now :))
[09:20] <highvoltage> edubuntu has no support for that atm.
[09:20] <JaneW> right
[09:21] <highvoltage> that's in dapper, though :)
[09:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes local storage is the other thing we are sorting
[09:21] <JaneW> nod
[09:21] <highvoltage> dapper will be real nice for the tuxlabs.
[09:22] <highvoltage> it will make our lices much easier on this side.
[09:22] <highvoltage> nice!
[09:22] <JaneW> you have lice?
[09:22] <highvoltage> haha
[09:22] <JaneW> ;)
[09:22] <highvoltage> lives :)
[09:23] <highvoltage> hehe. well, your side has a funny smell, especially upstairs.
[11:13] <juliux> JaneW, hi
[04:21] <mhz> hi all
[04:21] <zakame> hey mhz
[04:21] <mhz> hi zakame
[04:22] <highvoltage> hi there
[04:22] <mhz> yahoo highvoltage
[04:22] <highvoltage> google mhz
[04:23] <mhz> altavista Mr. Carter
[04:24] <highvoltage> excite Mr. Hernandez
[04:25] <zakame> beagle all
[04:25] <highvoltage> indeed.
[04:25] <mhz> for me Google is the only one ruling
[04:25] <mhz> :)
[04:43] <mhz> highvoltage: any easy and quick way to know the exact number of education oriented packages on current release?
[04:44] <mhz> I found a wiki url but I guess is very outdated
[04:44] <highvoltage> mhz: not that i can think of
[04:45] <ogra> mhz, you mean the stuff edubuntu contains ? or all apps that ar available in ubuntu ?
[04:48] <mhz> ogra: hmm, the edubuntu only stuff, and hopefully, only the educational stuff that is currently on breezy and the ones that will be for dapper
[04:49] <mhz> ogra: I am preparing "training" for IT guys who may install and admin edubuntu on schools and a diff training for teachers who will use edubuntu
[04:50] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSwList
[04:51] <ogra> thats the desktop software
[04:51] <mhz> ogra: is it updated
[04:51] <ogra> i just created it
[04:52] <ogra> it wont change much for next release
[04:53] <mhz> hehehe, ok
[05:04] <mhz> ogra: last week I mentioned to JaneW that some teachers (esp. pitux) and I were planing to have some sort of respository for Edubuntu users. This rep. is aimed to provide excercises and educational contents for teachers/students to use with their edubuntu applications
[05:05] <ogra> fine
[05:05] <mhz> ogra: the idea, in the simplest way, is to 'package' this so you endup apt-get install math_primary_excercises.deb
[05:06] <ogra> math-primary-excercises-ch ?
[05:06] <ogra> err cl
[05:06] <mhz> yup, but in case of Sciences, I'd say they are language independant
[05:06] <mhz> (most of them)
[05:07] <mhz> but, yes
[05:07] <ogra> i think if there is some explanationary text you are lost :)
[05:07] <mhz> the idea is in a mid-future we have those in diff language
[05:07] <mhz> hehee, indeed
[05:07] <mhz> for instance, Keduca lets you use tests via http
[05:08] <mhz> I mean, they are located remotely
[05:08] <mhz> with this repo. Teachers would gain some sort of 'contribution points'
[05:08] <mhz> and we could provide some incentives
[05:09] <Katsumoto> this might be a weird question to you but, is Edubuntu also suitable for home use...to learn how to work with it? or would you recommend the regular Ubuntu distribution?
[05:09] <mhz> Katsumoto: I use it instead ubuntu in my house
[05:09] <mhz> Katsumoto: my kids love it
[05:09] <ogra> Katsumoto, it has a workstation install mode for home usage :)
[05:09] <ogra> Katsumoto, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[05:09] <Katsumoto> ohk thank you :)
[05:10] <mhz> Katsumoto: although I installed server-mode (edubuntu potential) I rarely use it
[05:10] <mhz> but it's good when other people want to give linux a try
[05:10] <mhz> ogra: so JaneW asked to talk to you
[05:10] <Katsumoto> indeed...I want my parents+little brother to learn how to use it
[05:11] <mhz> ogra: maybe because she feels you are the one to tell how possible this is to be implemented in edubuntu
[05:11] <Katsumoto> think I'll perform this network for a while in case I have any more q's :)
[05:11] <ogra> mhz, i'm not sure we can provide a ton of content, but as long as it stays at a reasonable size thats fine
[05:12] <mhz> Katsumoto: if your 'server' is over 1GHz and 512 MB, they could even try it with their stations connected to yours
[05:12] <mhz> Katsumoto: my 'server' is a thin laptop we connect my wife's laptop with.
[05:12] <Katsumoto> ohk cool :) might be an option indeed
[05:12] <Katsumoto> though, the machine I'm on now uses x640-bit windows version
[05:13] <ogra> mhz, actually my initial idea was to have a library server providing teaching content, but mark wants to see a bigger community before even thinking about that
[05:13] <mhz> ogra: we do not need to provide it in the CD releases, just have it available for apt-getting after install
[05:13] <ogra> ...i guess
[05:13] <Katsumoto> will it work together? as in network settings and such
[05:13] <mhz> Katsumoto: rephrase that, please
[05:14] <Katsumoto> hmk, the machine I'm on now has win xp prof x64-bit running...
[05:14] <Katsumoto> so if I install edubuntu on the other pc that's connected to this one
[05:14] <Katsumoto> will it work together
[05:14] <mhz> ogra: so, can we count on with some edubuntu resources? how could we start this?
[05:14] <ogra> just package it :)
[05:14] <mhz> Katsumoto: samba should do the trivk
[05:14] <mhz> trick
[05:14] <Katsumoto> ah yes oke :)
[05:14] <ogra> provide me access to the source package and i'll inspect it ...
[05:15] <ogra> ... if its fine, i'll upload it
[05:16] <mhz> ogra: ok, but lower level questions are: how do we do it? I mean, we create bunch of exercises (example) in each application specific format. Then what?
[05:16] <Katsumoto> I might even switch to Linux fully, since I find this windows x64-bit release a bit crappy.
[05:16] <Katsumoto> lack of drivers and such
[05:16] <mhz> Katsumoto: windows will always be crappy
[05:16] <Katsumoto> true that :P
[05:16] <mhz> it's their development process that sucks
[05:17] <mhz> just find out how many times they have said "Now, this is all fixed"
[05:17] <mhz> and problems still there
[05:17] <Katsumoto> and yet bring out another critical fix, yes
[05:17] <Katsumoto> heh
[05:17] <mhz> that's my point
[05:17] <ogra> mhz, fo kvoctrain addons, i'd just call the package kvoctrain-exercises-cl :)
[05:18] <ogra> just make a data package for each app...
[05:18] <mhz> PLUS, if I use a Personal Computer (hence PC), I want it to use it for whatever I want to, I do not want to have prohibitions of any kind.
[05:18] <mhz> Palladium will kill my liberty
[05:18] <ogra> we could put a edubuntu-content package on top...
[05:18] <Katsumoto> lol, I wonder howmuch prohibitions there will be in windows vista
[05:18] <mhz> ogra: aaaah
[05:19] <mhz> ok, so all we need to start with is designing excercises and you'll take care of them?
[05:19] <mhz> .oO(it's ok but It seems TOO unfair you do all the job)
[05:20] <mhz> Katsumoto: hehehe
[05:20] <Katsumoto> :p
[05:20] <ogra> mhz, i can teach you the packaging stuff its very easy ...
[05:21] <mhz> ogra: cool and more fair
[05:21] <Katsumoto> ok, thanks for the info..I'm off to school :)
[05:21] <mhz> bye Katsumoto
[05:22] <mhz> ogra: so, let me start with some exercises and get back to you when done so we can give it a test-try
[05:22] <mhz> dry-test?
[05:23] <ogra> heh
[05:23] <ogra> as you like :)
[05:23] <mhz> duh!
[05:23] <mhz> heheh
[05:23] <mhz> BTW, my friends stickers sucked
[05:24] <ogra> :(
[05:24] <mhz> i need to give higher resolution and use a diff ink
[05:24] <mhz> or laser printer?
[05:24] <mhz> :D
[05:25] <mhz> BTW, some teacher have asked me for simulators
[05:26] <ogra> simulators ?
[05:27] <mhz> yup
[05:28] <mhz> like children who need to know i.e. how fast could be "cell reproduction"
[05:28] <mhz> given certain parameters
[05:29] <mhz> how much area would an atomic bomb cover
[05:29] <mhz> stuff like that
[05:29] <mhz> stuff you do not want to have a lab for
[05:29] <mhz> :)
[05:29] <ogra> ah
[05:29] <mhz> or based on many schools needs, they can't afford a LAb
[05:30] <mhz> so, a computer lab could do the trick
[05:31] <mhz> ogra: also, some teachers hav asked me why so many KDE apps if default desktop is GNOME?
[05:31] <mhz> why not KDE instead
[05:32] <ogra> because its way harder for me to maintain then ...
[05:32] <ogra> feel free to develop a KDE based version
[05:33] <ogra> we dont have the amount of KDE developers in ubuntu to help along with stuff...
[05:33] <ogra> in fact we only have one ... and he's busy with building kubuntu...
[05:34] <mhz> heheheh
[05:34] <mhz> who?
[05:34] <ogra> additionally i wouldnt want to work on a kde desktop... i'm hoping for someone to join if there is real demand...
[05:34] <ogra> Riddell
[05:34] <mhz> ok
[05:34] <mhz> I may talk with KDE chilean developers
[05:34] <mhz> (i guess they're 3 or 4)
[05:35] <ogra> they are free to derive from edubuntu and make a kedubuntu :)
[05:35] <mhz> anyways, if it were my decision, I would use a very light desktop, considering LA hardware standard in schools
[05:35] <mhz> or even, Desktop-Independant
[05:35] <ogra> but the tweakage and changes are very gnome centric... and will get even more gnome centric in the next releases
[05:36] <mhz> oh
[05:37] <ogra> local device support will work through hal/dbus/gnome-volume-manager/ltspfs (so i can guarantte it works like in ubuntu)
[05:38] <ogra> sound support in dapper will be esound based and move to gstreamer transports in dapper+1
[05:40] <mhz> hmm, so maybe a healthier way of installing would be to install but ommit GNOME desktop installation?
[05:41] <ogra> the right way would be to make KDE talking to these apps ;)
[05:41] <ogra> thats actually what Riddell does (or tries to do ) for kubuntu
[05:41] <ogra> so you only need to maintain one set of apps below the desktop
[05:42] <mhz> how about other lighter desktops? will they talk (have they ever?) to those apps?
[05:42] <ogra> not sure what the xubuntu team plans in this direction
[05:42] <ogra> but xfce is able to talk to esound
[05:43] <ogra> and if you use gnome-volume-manager and nautilus for xfce, you will have all the automounting magic for local devices
[05:43] <mhz> hehehe, I meant real lighter
[05:43] <mhz> WMaker or FvWM or fluxbox
[05:43] <ogra> openbox
[05:43] <mhz> too
[05:44] <ogra> you would provide something like that to kids ?
[05:44] <mhz> ahahha, see what henrik has done: http://www.theopencd.org/files/moinmoin/1.3.4-2-MMDE/MMDE-install2.png
[05:44] <mhz> hmm, yes. I can commit to tweak those desktops in order to have them look esp. for kids
[05:46] <mhz> I can't fight the fact LA schools are very poor
[05:46] <mhz> .oO(well, in LA there are only opposites. So other school have LOTS of money)
[08:27] <janimo> does edubuntu not use gdm?
[08:28] <janimo> I saw a ldm which seemed to be a ltsp dm
[08:44] <mhz> janimo: GDM is used on localhost (server)
[08:44] <mhz> LDM is LTSP Display Manager
[08:44] <mhz> therefore, clients use it
[09:20] <ogra> magnon, hey
[09:28] <ganhongsen> hi how to make ln -s /dev/ttyACM0 /dev/modem permanent so I don't have to type it everytime I login?
[09:32] <ganhongsen> hi how to make ln -s /dev/ttyACM0 /dev/modem permanent so I don't have to type it everytime I login?


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[20:22] <starspot> Hi folks,  In Ubuntu 10.04 Firefox and Thunderbird how do I disable the pop-up menu that appears with options when I select a URL for copying?
[20:22] <starspot> This didn't exist until I updated to version 10.04
[20:26] <zkriesse> starspot: Please do not post your question in multiple channels
[20:27] <zkriesse> starspot: Wait for an answer before repeating yourself right away
[20:27] <starspot> ok.
[20:29]  * starspot is thinking zkriesse just repeated his or herself
[20:30] <zkriesse> No i didn't...I made two separate points
[20:30] <starspot> :)