[11:35] <distant_voice> I'm having problems installing Ubuntu: 6.06 won't boot from the cd (it can't mount the root file system and gives me a lenghty error message I jotted down if it's important), 6.10 boots and installs fine up to the point where you need to restart. it crashes right after it asks me to remove the disk, then when I press reset it either boots up windows again or gives me "error booting operating system"
[11:35] <payam> ok ok. thank you anyway
[11:36] <Zaggynl> !ntfs
[11:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:36] <Strom_C> hey everyone...I'm putting together an image based on ubuntu 6.10, and the only remaining hiccup is finding an xorg configuration that will work across various machines.  I'm guessing the easiest way of doing this would be to run the hardware autoconfiguration tool from the livecd on every boot, but I've been googling and grepping for an hour solid and have no idea what the tool is called.  Could one of you possibly nudge me in the
[11:36] <Strom_C> right direction?
[11:36] <PeRCeVaL> Seveas,  i tryed what u said and screentshot wenit into crazy colours
[11:37] <Seveas> PeRCeVaL, sounds like your graphics driver is confused - maybe rebooting will help
[11:37] <PeRCeVaL> btw terminal is working now :D
[11:37] <PeRCeVaL> yeah
[11:37] <PeRCeVaL> its working now
[11:37] <PeRCeVaL> after rebooitng :d
[11:37] <Seveas> hehe
[11:37] <PeRCeVaL> haha
[11:37] <Seveas> ati driver?
[11:37] <PeRCeVaL> i think it was Beryl error tho
[11:38] <PeRCeVaL> yah
[11:38] <PeRCeVaL> hahaha
[11:38] <PeRCeVaL> cost me 2 days to make Beryl working and setting the drviers ok
[11:38] <PeRCeVaL> :d
[11:38] <PeRCeVaL> stupid ati drivers :D
[11:38] <Zaggynl> Anyone has experience with mounting ntfs in ubuntu? How stable is it?
[11:38] <nutterpc> that's part of the linux life dude :P
[11:38] <Zaggynl> I'm tired of rebooting to windows and using linux reader to copy stuff over
[11:38] <PeRCeVaL> i know nutterpc  :D
[11:38] <nutterpc> Zaggynl: its not hard
[11:38] <clust> Zaggynl: it should be ok
[11:39] <PeRCeVaL> Zaggynl,   i had no prob at all tho
[11:39] <PeRCeVaL> with mounting ntfs
[11:39] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL:  I spent the past 2 days working on a customised kernel for me Compaq M2000
[11:39] <Zaggynl> okay cool
[11:39] <PeRCeVaL> hehehehehe :P
[11:39] <nutterpc> wanna know what its down to now?
[11:39] <nutterpc> 8.4Mb, basically
[11:40] <nutterpc> default size for the kernels is nearly 4x that
[11:40] <Zaggynl> I tried that too for my oldish laptop, it refused to boot ><
[11:40] <Seveas> dennis@mirage:~$ ls -hl /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-8-generic
[11:40] <Seveas> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6M 2007-02-13 06:54 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-8-generic
[11:40] <Seveas> 1.6M :p
[11:40] <PeRCeVaL> nutterpc,  im kinda newbie to customize a kernel :d
[11:40] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL:  I've done it for a few years
[11:41] <PeRCeVaL> hehehe :P
[11:41] <nutterpc> you get used to it after a while
[11:41] <nutterpc> :)
[11:41] <PeRCeVaL> i did start using linux 2 weeks ago :D
[11:41] <nutterpc> nice
[11:41] <Zaggynl> 1.5M :)
[11:41] <nutterpc> how you find it?
[11:41] <PeRCeVaL> got my windows discs working, my ati card working, and beryl working :D
[11:41] <Seveas> PeRCeVaL, welcome to the light side :)
[11:41] <PeRCeVaL> now im gona try to set webcam :D and get ident working to can connect other mirc servers
[11:41] <brainly-green> does ubuntu not have "make"?
[11:41] <nutterpc> hang on, lemme check somethin
[11:41] <PeRCeVaL> well, i just find it beautiful !
[11:42] <Seveas> PeRCeVaL, apt-get install pidentd (for ident :))
[11:42] <Strom_C> brainly-green: I believe you have to install "build-essential"
[11:42] <brainly-green> ok
[11:42] <PeRCeVaL> Seveas,  i tryed a few days agos and didnt get it working
[11:42] <PeRCeVaL> ill try it later again :P
[11:42] <nutterpc> config-2.6.20
[11:42] <nutterpc> grub
[11:42] <nutterpc> initrd.img-2.6.20
[11:42] <nutterpc> memtest86+.bin
[11:42] <nutterpc> System.map-2.6.20
[11:42] <nutterpc> vmlinuz-2.6.20
[11:42] <Seveas> !paste |nutterpc
[11:42] <ubotu> nutterpc: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:42] <Jewfro-Macabbi> distant_voice, try this: http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//6.06/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso
[11:43] <nutterpc> oopsy
[11:43] <nutterpc> Seveas: I think you mean the LART
[11:43] <nutterpc> ;)
[11:44] <distant_voice> Jewfro-Macabbi: I will after the i386-Desktop cd fails, thx
[11:44] <brainly-green> thanks strom-c
[11:44] <nutterpc> well, accoridng to what /boot is showin
[11:44] <nutterpc> my vmlinuz image is only 1.4Mb
[11:44] <nutterpc> :)
[11:45] <Arcad3> how i prevent a user to cd into / ??
[11:45] <Seveas> Arcad3, you don't
[11:45] <Arcad3> or build a custom shell?
[11:46] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL: What made you try Linux? Wanted to give it a shot, or tired of windoze and its constant...umm...yeah
[11:46] <PeRCeVaL> well. ...
[11:47] <kidbuntu> JAva!
[11:47] <kidbuntu> !java
[11:47] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[11:47] <Arcad3> sh has less commands then bash?
[11:47] <PeRCeVaL> i have given a few shots in my life, but never had the time to start learning, now that i got few time and finally im bored of windows i decided to give the last try :d
[11:47] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL:  stick with it man
[11:47] <nutterpc> you'll be glad you did
[11:47] <PeRCeVaL> i know :P
[11:48] <PeRCeVaL> im net admin, and studied some cisco modules
[11:48] <PeRCeVaL> and for what i use computer, linux is the way
[11:48] <Mattias> Ubuntu has 50% fixing most stuff for you, 50% fixing other stuff yourself :P
[11:48] <kidbuntu> why does my firefox require me to install java runtime environment where in fact i already installed sun-jre5
[11:49] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL:  And what I can suggest, if you want to get more into linux, I'd do either of the following: 1) Spend the time, learn how Linux works yourself, make a few installs, break a few, thearn the hard way
[11:49] <kidbuntu> !java runtime environment
[11:49] <nutterpc> or 2) buy some books on it
[11:49] <PeRCeVaL> i have done few install already :P
[11:49] <distant_voice> Jewfro-Macabbi: I just found a forum thread from someone that gets the same problem, he says the alternate cd doesn't help him
[11:49] <Mattias> i learned linux via gentoo myself ^_^
[11:49] <nutterpc> learn*
[11:49] <koth> Sorry, what is the cmd to get my own IP address?
[11:49] <nutterpc> Mattias: was Debian for me
[11:49] <nutterpc> :P
[11:49] <PeRCeVaL> nutterpc,  to could get my ati working and Beryl and did break linux like 3 times :d
[11:49] <Frogzoo> koth: ifconfig
[11:49] <PeRCeVaL> after the 3 times, when i did something wrong, i knew where the error was
[11:50] <AmaroqWolf> Ubuntu is my first linux. xD
[11:50] <nutterpc> I learnt & got my hands dirty on Debian
[11:50] <PeRCeVaL> and didnt need to reinstall :D
[11:50] <Mattias> my first ever linux was red hat :P
[11:50] <Mattias> lol
[11:50] <koth> thanks
[11:50] <AmaroqWolf> lol
[11:50] <nutterpc> I was told if u could conquer Debian, you could use anything
[11:50] <tahsin> hi after installing kde and setting kdm as default i cant access system>administration>login window
[11:50] <AmaroqWolf> nutterpc, that's what I've heard about gentoo.
[11:50] <nutterpc> now I can use any Linux distro pretty much, as well as BSD
[11:50] <mwe> Mattias: me too. I quicly switched to slackware, though ;)
[11:50] <PeRCeVaL> hehehe good nutterpc
[11:51] <tahsin> and i cant shut down my pc from gnome
[11:51] <Jewfro-Macabbi> distance_voice, it was just a thought, it allows for a few extra things, and doesn't have to load the live part first.
[11:51] <Strom_C> hey guys...I don't want to irritate you by asking the same question over and over, but do any of you know how to manually invoke the automatic xorg hardware probe and configuration tool?
[11:51] <tahsin> hi after installing kde and setting kdm as default i cant access system>administration>login window
[11:51] <PeRCeVaL> Arcad3,  if u still there, where did u tell me for the webcam package?
[11:51] <nutterpc> not off the top of me head Strom_C
[11:51] <PeRCeVaL> ADD-REmove? :d
[11:51] <Frogzoo> Strom_C: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:51] <CheshireViking> i started with slackware about a year ago, 6 months on that & now i mainly use ubuntu, with slack 11, mandriva, knoppix installed for trying different things
[11:51] <distant_voice> Jewfro-Macabbi: it doesn't make sense that the 6.1 boots just fine
[11:51] <Arcad3> yes
[11:51] <Mattias> mwe: for me it was redhat -> mandrake -> suse -> gentoo (for alot of years) -> ubuntu (couldnt afford to have pc up over night to compile updates for entire system) :P
[11:51] <tahsin> and i cant shut down my pc from gnome
[11:51] <Strom_C> Frogzoo: unfortunately that doesn't quite work
[11:52] <Mattias> Portage is great tho ^_^ i just hate compiling stuff
[11:52] <PeRCeVaL> i tryed Mandrake, suse, and now ubuntu :D
[11:52] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL:  I've managed to make Ubuntu run now like Windows XP in terms of responsiveness
[11:52] <Strom_C> what I'm doing is building an image for re-imaging a number of PCs with unknown video hardware
[11:52] <distant_voice> Jewfro-Macabbi: right now I'm more interested in the problem I'm getting from the 6.1 version, that it doesn't reboot properly after the installation
[11:52] <tahsin> hi after installing kde and setting kdm as default i cant access system>administration>login window
[11:52] <tahsin> HELP!
[11:52] <PeRCeVaL> hahaha nutterpc  nice one :D
[11:52] <mwe> Mattias: heh. I got tired of always compiling stuff in gentoo as well
[11:52] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL:  I ain't done yet either >)
[11:52] <Mattias> aye, i got fedora core 6 on other computer
[11:52] <koth> is there a default IRC program in ubuntu?
[11:52] <Mattias> lol
[11:52] <PeRCeVaL> nutterpc,  can i pm ya ?
[11:52] <nutterpc> go for it
[11:52] <Jewfro-Macabbi> distant_voice, I had a similar problem once actually now that I think about it. It there by chance a bios upgrade for your mobo? on mine it was a strange acpi error
[11:52] <mwe> Mattias: to be honest I didn't see much of a performance gain anyway
[11:53] <tahsin> hi after installing kde and setting kdm as default i cant access system>administration>login window
[11:53] <tahsin> HELP!
[11:53] <Frogzoo> Strom_C: there's a page in the wiki for creating a customised ubuntu disk
[11:53] <nutterpc> Digitally Imported ftw
[11:53] <Strom_C> Frogzoo: would you mind linking me?
[11:53] <Frogzoo> !appdb | AmaroqWolf
[11:53] <ubotu> AmaroqWolf: Appdb is a database of apps & help for programs that run under wine: see http://appdb.winehq.org
[11:53] <mwe> Mattias: I loved the USE variable in gentoo, though.
[11:53] <Mattias> mwe: tho it was easier to get up to date software in gentoo. i have a hell for that in ubuntu, or get few softwares to work because some stuff in repos is not up to date
[11:53] <AmaroqWolf> Looked in there Frogzoo. xD
[11:53] <distant_voice> Jewfro-Macabbi: I never upgraded a bios, how does that work? is it risky? I don't want to wreck my whole machine
[11:53] <AmaroqWolf> It's a japanese game nobody's ever heard of.
[11:53] <PeRCeVaL> nutterpc,  u got my pm ?
[11:54] <nutterpc> Mattias:  I still find myself drawn to Gentoo tho
[11:54] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL:  nope
[11:54] <nutterpc> I pm'd you
[11:54] <PeRCeVaL> weird
[11:54] <tahsin> hi after installing kde and setting kdm as default i cant access system>administration>login window
[11:54] <Mattias> Gentoo is very good, if you can stand the compile time
[11:54] <tahsin> HELP!
[11:54] <tahsin> hi after installing kde and setting kdm as default i cant access system>administration>login window
[11:54] <tahsin> HELP!
[11:54] <Mattias> but its advanced too
[11:54] <PeRCeVaL> i cant read you either :D
[11:54] <Arcad3> i gave an user the sh shell and he can use bash too :( how can i prevent that?
[11:54] <Mattias> you need to follow handbook while installing it in tty
[11:54] <nutterpc> PeRCeVaL:  add me on msn....ain't hard to work out what my addy is
[11:54] <cavallo> how I can activete network manager plugin on panel ?
[11:54] <Jewfro-Macabbi> distant_voice, It's not terribly difficult. There's usually instructions in your mobo manual, or on the manufacturers site for making a floppy. You want to make sure the power stays on during the process is all.
[11:54] <CheshireViking> PeRCeVaL, nutterpc, ae you registered with freenode? you can only pm if you're registered
[11:54] <PeRCeVaL> sure
[11:55] <CheshireViking> ae=are
[11:55] <PeRCeVaL> i dont think im registered :D
[11:55] <distant_voice> Jewfro-Macabbi I don't even have a floppy drive
[11:55] <nutterpc> CheshireViking:  not yet mate
[11:55] <PeRCeVaL> nutterpc,  add me percebal@hot.
[11:55] <distant_voice> Jewfro-Macabbi nah, I'll try to work around that
[11:55] <CheshireViking> it might be worth taking the conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:55] <AmaroqWolf> tahsin, someone'll eventually help you. If nobody responds to your request, it means either nobody knows how to help you, somebody is looking up how to help you, or anyone who can help you is already busy.
[11:56] <Jewfro-Macabbi> distant_voice, I think all bios upgrades still use floppies... It's just something to check, if there is even a bios update available, and why...
[11:56] <Rob-West> is it hard to dual boot
[11:56] <mwe> gentoo gives you a super fast system that is always crawling because you compile stuff all the time ;)
[11:56] <nutterpc> added ya PeRCeVaL
[11:56] <Frogzoo> Strom_C: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[11:56] <PeRCeVaL> ok
[11:56] <nutterpc> mwe: I've worked a compromise to that under Ubuntu
[11:56] <nutterpc> and I'm still going :P
[11:56] <PeRCeVaL> umm
[11:56] <PeRCeVaL> i dont see ya, gimme ur address
[11:56] <PeRCeVaL> are u tamari ?
[11:57] <nutterpc> lol
[11:57] <nutterpc> no
[11:57] <PeRCeVaL> hahahha
[11:57] <Mattias> i found a great thing in ubuntu yesterday :P  sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[11:57] <Strom_C> Frogzoo: glancing over it, it doesn't seem like what I'm attempting to do...I've already got the image I'd like to use; I'd just like to set it to autoconfigure xorg each time the system boots.  Is that not possible?
[11:57] <Mattias> lol
[11:57] <Arcad3> how can i register to freenode?
[11:57] <nutterpc> think about it dude, pretty easy to guess mine :)
[11:57] <k31th> version!
[11:57] <k31th> !version
[11:57] <paitken> How can I mount .bin files
[11:57] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[11:57] <mwe> Mattias: build-essential
[11:57] <Mattias> mwe: btw, im having an error with super maryo chronicles
[11:57] <Frogzoo> Strom_C: sure it's feasible, not sure how
[11:57] <CheshireViking> !register
[11:57] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:58] <Mattias> mwe: ./smc: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_gfx.so.13: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:58] <Mattias> mwe: ive installed all libSDL stuff still no go
[11:58] <nutterpc> I noticed when you install Ubuntu, its pretty chuggy to start off with
[11:58] <Mattias> >,<
[11:58] <nutterpc> spent a bit of time working on it, still got a few bits to finish, and she runs like lightning :)
[11:58] <Strom_C> Frogzoo: hmm, alright...thanks for your help anyway :)
[11:59] <Mattias> nutterpc: true, low resolution, 3d drivers, all other media stuff :P
[11:59] <nutterpc> nope
[11:59] <nutterpc> :)
[11:59] <mwe> Mattias: perhaps you can create a symlink to libSDL_gfx.so from libSDL_gfx.so.13 if it's present. That has worked with some things for me
[11:59] <nutterpc> not that at all mate
[11:59] <Frogzoo> Strom_C: kk, gl
[11:59] <Strom_C> thanks
[11:59] <nutterpc> I haven't even gone near Xorg yet
[12:00] <PeRCeVaL> got dced
[12:00] <Strom_C> this has been driving me bonkers for three hours now :)
[12:00] <Mattias> that was all for me
[12:00] <PeRCeVaL> nutterpc,  i got dced
[12:00] <PeRCeVaL> im relogging on msn
[12:00] <nutterpc> the backend of ubuntu has a fair bit you can change about which helps its system responisveness
[12:00] <nutterpc> grr, typo
[12:01] <yomm>
[12:01] <Mattias> nutterpc: im having few problems with removing stuff, it says stuff like its needed by other applications, i mean, i want to remove scim and alot of stuff, im using uim for example
[12:02] <nutterpc> Mattias:  look on the forums for the guide to using debfoster
[12:03] <Mattias> nutterpc: i don't like guides so ill just install it and try :D
[12:03] <paitken> How can I mount .bin files
[12:03] <nutterpc> Mattias: I strongly suggest reading the guide
[12:03] <Mattias> !debfoster
[12:03] <ubotu> debfoster is a command to weed unnecessary .deb packages. See http://www.fruit.eu.org/debfoster/
[12:03] <olaf-t-hunter> how can i allow login to mysql from another computer
[12:04] <cyclops> I'm looking to map GATOS TV input from my Radeon 7500 AiW card set to a specific channel into a v4l device in the /dev/ tree
[12:05] <koth> is there a default IRC program install with Ubuntu?
[12:05] <koth> !irc
[12:05] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/), irssi (console) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[12:05] <nutterpc> koth: use XChat
[12:06] <koth> thanks =)
[12:06] <Jewfro-Macabbi> koth, xchat or bitchx
[12:06] <koth> o bitchx, i remeber that =D
[12:06] <nutterpc> either 2 are good
[12:07] <koth> let see if i can get my ubuntu box get onto irc now =D
[12:07] <Mattias> nutterpc: it didnt show me scim :/ only stuff that i myself have installed
[12:07] <nutterpc> koth:  be 1337, use irssi :P
[12:08] <koth> ...
[12:08] <Mattias> koth: use screen + irssi :P
[12:08] <nutterpc> !irssi
[12:08] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface !IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help
[12:08] <Mattias> and mp3blaster and rtorrent :P
[12:08] <olaf-t-hunter> anyone know how can i allow login to mysql from another computer?? i just get cannot connect to server
[12:08] <PeRCeVaL> Arcad3,  u still there?
[12:08] <Mattias> equals, music even without xorg, and irc and torrent :D
[12:08] <Mattias> mplayer works without xorg too :)
[12:08] <Mattias> who needs xorg really? :D
[12:09] <AmaroqWolf> Your system needs xorg. xD
[12:09] <Mattias> i think ill uninstall it :P
[12:09] <AmaroqWolf> Try renaming xorg.conf first
[12:10] <AmaroqWolf> then restart your system
[12:10] <AmaroqWolf> you'll see
[12:10] <AmaroqWolf> :P
[12:10] <Mattias> ctrl+alt+f1
[12:10] <Mattias> woot im in TTY! :DF
[12:11] <AmaroqWolf> Just in case you can't get back here, there is a terminal based IRC client. :P
[12:11] <koth> ok, i cannot even get back in ubuntu now =D black screen again, wrong res again!
[12:13] <koth> how can i stop xorg auto detect res?
[12:14] <Mattias> great, ubuntu has lots of bugs :P
[12:16] <cavallo> how I can get network manager plugin to the panel ?
[12:16] <Jewfro-Macabbi> cvallo, right click the panel, "add to panel"
[12:16] <olaf-t-hunter> anyone know why my file sharing options are not available in kubuntu?
[12:16] <Jewfro-Macabbi> cavallo even
[12:17] <cavallo> yeah, but I dont have it there ? :/
[12:17] <Mattias> i got black screen in xorg when i went back :P and then system froze so i couldnt go back to tty and fix the error :P had to shut down comp
[12:17] <olaf-t-hunter> anyone know why my file sharing options are not available in kubuntu?
[12:18] <Jewfro-Macabbi> olaf-t-hunter, not sure on kubuntu exactly, but there's a option under administration for "shared folders" on gnome.
[12:18] <cavallo> Jewfro-Macabbi: I have installed it but its not there :/
[12:19] <Jewfro-Macabbi> cavallo, never made a custom one myself, can't help you with that
[12:20] <olaf-t-hunter> i think something isnt installed
[12:20] <olaf-t-hunter> you cant read the text at the top
[12:20] <olaf-t-hunter> its ben chopped up
[12:21] <koth_> woho, xchat it is
[12:22] <babo> so I've apt-get'd gsynpatics. But apparently I have to change my xorg.conf file. How can I read about changes I have to make in the package ?
[12:22] <koth_> which torrent client is the best?
[12:22] <babo> where did the .deb put the README File ?
[12:22] <hdxx> koth: for me ktorrent
[12:23] <koth_> hdxx: but if i am not using kde? =)
[12:23] <hdxx> koth_: i'm using gnome too, but i still have ktorrent
[12:24] <koth_> ic! time to try it
[12:24] <AmaroqWolf> hdxx: there is a bittorrent you can install. I couldn't get ktorrent to work on my gnome.
[12:24] <AmaroqWolf> sudo aptitude search torrent
[12:25] <hdxx> AmaroqWolf: for mw work great.
[12:25] <hdxx> koth_: you can try qibttorrent or deluge too
[12:26] <koth_> seem like there is a lot of choice out there
[12:26] <olaf-t-hunter> needed to install some stuff thats why the file sharing wasnt working
[12:27] <hdxx> we can hope for utorrent on linux :)
[12:27] <koth_> i am impress by ubuntu that has build in vncserver
[12:28] <koth_> enough for tonight, atlease get ubuntu running now. Thanks everyone. night
[12:32] <olaf-t-hunter> Grr, why cant i connect to this silly computer
[12:33] <redear> hi, i am considering using ubuntu, is there a help channel?
[12:33] <hdxx> yes
[12:34] <redear> what is the difference between 6.10 and 6.06 LTS?
[12:34] <redear> is LTS something granted every so often?
[12:35] <hdxx> 6.10 is newer :P
[12:35] <redear> like.. every three years for desktop?
[12:35] <mackinac> !lts | redear
[12:35] <ubotu> redear: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[12:35] <babo> how do I check my mail headers in gmail ?
[12:35] <da_z> anyone wants to propose to ubuntu the gobolinux file hierarchy and concepts ?
[12:36] <redear> mackinac: so i guess the question is, what do you have to do to your 6.06 LTS installed on your machine before people won't support you because it is not the way it was out of the box?
[12:36] <redear> i am worried i don't really understand what the logic of the LTS is
[12:37] <redear> when you install 6.06 LTS and you do normal patching to security problems and the like, it is still a 6.06 LTS right?
[12:37] <mneptok> redear: you aren't an enterprise with high reliability needs.
[12:37] <Eons> hi there! i need help on getting NetworkManager to identify correctly my static ethernet connection
[12:37] <cyphase> anyone know what happened to Diva? the video editor..
[12:37] <Eons> there is any howto, tutorial
[12:37] <cafuego_> redear: yes
[12:37] <sharyari> elo
[12:37] <Eons> something like that?
[12:37] <mackinac> babo:  there should be a "show details" link at the top
[12:38] <ritchiee> Hey guys, I have a Zoom ADSL USB Modem model: 5510B.  I have searched throughout google for some information on getting it to work, I have found a little amount mostly regarding 5510 models and 5510A models, wondering if anyone is familiar with the modem and if they know it can work in linux, if it can i'll try the 5510A drivers?
[12:38] <sharyari> Anyone know how to install a newer version of the nvidia drivers? I followed a howto and... it didn't work. Took me half an hour to fix it again
[12:38] <redear> cafuego_: so if you start making major changes to a 6.06 LTS box, like trying to jack in an unofficial deb package or whatever, then it is no longer something the support guys can figure out right?
[12:38] <redear> say updating python or something major
[12:38] <babo> mackinac: yeah, that's just the To:/From: headers, I need to see the full email headers ...
[12:39] <cafuego_> redear: Depends on how badly you break it
[12:39] <redear> cafuego_: okay
[12:39] <cafuego_> redear: If you add a newer kernel, fine..if you upgrade libc6, all bets are off.
[12:39] <redear> okay
[12:40] <redear> so if you want to get some new apps installed, or upgrade python or something
[12:40] <redear> as long as it doesn't break the major plumbing it's cool eh?
[12:40] <redear> i guess i'll come and check with you guys to see if you think it will break the definition of 6.06 LTS if I update something major
[12:40] <redear> but yeah, libc6
[12:40] <redear> that's pretty big
[12:41] <redear> thanks guys, much obliged
[12:41] <zion> hello
[12:41] <mneptok> redear: that will render your LTS unsupported
[12:41] <redear> mneptok: what will? updating python?
[12:42] <redear> mneptok: i am thinking of setting up some LAMP servers and ensuring that what i do on the box is pretty close to something support guys can understand
[12:42] <redear> also a few turbogears servers backing to either MySQL, Postgres or Oracle
[12:43] <redear> just want to ensure I am not making life impossible for the support guys
[12:43] <mneptok> redear: new glib = not LTS
[12:43] <redear> turbogears for example is in a lot of flux
[12:43] <redear> mneptok: oh okay
[12:43] <redear> yeah i have this feeling i won't be updating that
[12:43] <mneptok> redear: *what* support guys?
[12:43] <mackinac> babo:  there's an arrow in the top right corner, next to reply ... select "show original"
[12:43] <redear> won't be updating libc6
[12:43] <Mattias> redear: why not just get latest ubuntu and ask for help in here? ^_^
[12:44] <WaZ> hi all
[12:44] <redear> i mean if i buy support from a place like Canonical, or asking the community here for help
[12:44] <olaf-t-hunter> anyone know how i start Samba???
[12:45] <WaZ> you sure it isn't started olaf?
[12:45] <babo> mackinac: k thanks :-)
[12:45] <olaf-t-hunter> not certain, but how would i check?
[12:45] <redear> turbogears for eample is changing a lot, and it uses pretty cutting edge version of python and apache, creating a lot of head ache
[12:45] <redear> i hope version 6.06 will have python 2.4
[12:45] <redear> which is what turbogears documentation prescribes
[12:45] <WaZ> in places> Network Servers
[12:46] <redear> if not i'll have to use 6.10
[12:46] <IdleOne> !info python
[12:46] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[12:47] <mneptok> redear: you do NOT want to change core libraries and then purchase Canonical support. trust me. ;)
[12:47] <redear> i am going to give ubuntu v6.06 LTS server edition first, wish me luck:)
[12:47] <redear> mneptok: i am NOT going to change libc6
[12:47] <olaf-t-hunter> sorry im just starting with linux where's places? :)
[12:47] <redear> but things like updating apache, python, mysql, postgres
[12:47] <mneptok> redear: better is to identify problems, then ask us for fixes or backports to LTS.
[12:47] <redear> very probable
[12:47] <WaZ> you run Ubuntu right?
[12:47] <olaf-t-hunter> kubuntu
[12:48] <boguh> hi, just activated bitmap fonts an now my fonts in firefox look crap. what to do??
[12:48] <WaZ> it should be in the top bar next to applications
[12:48] <WaZ> oh
[12:48] <redear> mneptok: oh i see
[12:48] <WaZ> haven't used kubuntu
[12:48] <WaZ> but it should be in the file manager
[12:48] <mneptok> redear: and Edgy is supported. and Feisty will be, too.
[12:49] <panclock> I found the problem with my firefox.
[12:49] <redear> mneptok: so does that mean if i need a new version of some user-land app (along with it's dependencies, where the dependencies is never as nasty as requiring a new libc), it should be okay to do so right?
[12:49] <mneptok> redear: LTS exists for people that want NO changes. a rock-solid, unmalleable platform.
[12:49] <panclock> In firefox.dump after I used the strace -o in a terminal.
[12:49] <redear> mneptok: yeah that's what i want
[12:49] <redear> i want LTS
[12:50] <babu> Hello everybody, Im in new user, I want to install MRTG but I didnt pls help
[12:50] <mneptok> redear: then you don't go upgrading the core infrastructure unless you *have* to
[12:50] <redear> mneptok: okay you are repeating yourself, does that mean you don't think i get it? because then i have to ask you what you mean by core infrastructure and what's not
[12:50] <ingo_> ciao a tutti
[12:51] <mneptok> redear: anything you install yourself will be unsupported. we support our packages in main, with very few exceptions.
[12:51] <WaZ> olaf-t-hunter: it should be in Network Folders
[12:51] <ingo_> ragazzi ho un fastidioso suono con lo scroll mentre uso beryl
[12:51] <redear> like for example, you might have a packaging system that depends on python or perl
[12:51] <ingo_> ops
[12:51] <redear> if i went and update python, that MIGHT break the packaging system
[12:51] <yomm>  When I'm logged in a terminal as root how do I launch a process or app (e.g. VLC ) as my main regular user ? do I have to su -mainuser ?
[12:51] <WaZ> otherwise google is helpful: http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-to-share-files-using-samba.html
[12:51] <IdleOne> !it | ingo_
[12:51] <ubotu> ingo_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:51] <redear> so is the packaging system part of this core infrastructure you are talking about or not?
[12:51] <mneptok> redear: see my last comment.
[12:51] <redear> things like yum for example, may require a specific version of python
[12:52] <redear> okay
[12:52] <hdxx> yomm: su username
[12:52] <mneptok> redear: yum?
[12:52] <redear> mneptok: thanks man
[12:52] <olaf-t-hunter> hmm i think im blind
[12:52] <christopherl> anyone know if there's any bluetooth gamepad for computer?
[12:52] <Mattias> redear: yum is for fedora core no?
[12:52] <redear> mneptok: i mean ubuntu's equivalent to yum
[12:52] <redear> i don't mean yum proper
[12:52] <Mevunky> right so, ubuntu and macbook, the trackpad is way oversensitive even with it turned down as much as possible, whats the best fix?
[12:52] <redear> yum is fedora/centos/redhat
[12:52] <mneptok> *apt*
[12:52] <QBab> Hello
[12:53] <redear> mneptok: thre you go
[12:53] <QBab> thx
[12:53] <redear> you took the word right out of my mouth
[12:53] <mneptok> redear: basically, "if you compiled it, we won't help you"
[12:53] <yomm> hdxx : I figured that out , but the you have to su all the time .. I was wondering if it could work like  : $ VLC --runasmainuser
[12:53] <WaZ> Mevunky: use a USB mouse :D (sorry)
[12:53] <redear> so i am worried about upgrading something like
[12:53] <redear> that
[12:53] <yomm> then*
[12:53] <redear> mneptok: okay then, i better figure out what goes into the main packages of 6.06 LTS
[12:53] <redear> is that listed somewhere?
[12:54] <mneptok> redear: unless you have *really* odd usage, there's no need to hand-roll anything
[12:54] <redear> and make sure i keep using it
[12:54] <cypherdelic> How to make a IconLink to be executed in console (eg cryptsetup), because it executes but doesnt ask me for passphrase
[12:54] <redear> regarding what you said about "anything you install yourself will be unsupported. we support our packages in main, with very few exceptions." <-- where can i find this list?
[12:54] <redear> i want to get this list for 6.06 LTS
[12:54] <mneptok> redear: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/
[12:55] <IdleOne> !packages
[12:55] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[12:55] <babu> anyone helo
[12:55] <babu> help
[12:55] <WaZ> hey babu
[12:55] <babu> hello
[12:55] <babu> im in new user
[12:56] <babu> waz, could u pls tell how i install mrtg
[12:56] <hdxx> yomm: i don't know, because i use sudo
[12:56] <WaZ> have u tried synaptic?
[12:56] <babu> yah
[12:56] <babu> there is nothing
[12:56] <Mevunky> WaZ: that makes me sad though.  apart from gnome gui mouse, i must be able to config the speed and sense more via xorg.conf or something? or have they improved macbook support in 7.04
[12:57] <yomm> hdxx : just wondering if there was a shortcut :)
[12:57] <redear> mneptok: i don't know if you guys keep track of karms
[12:57] <redear> mneptok++
[12:57] <redear> mneptok++
[12:57] <redear> mneptok++
[12:57] <redear> you've been very big help
[12:57] <WaZ> Mevunky: I woudln't know
[12:58] <WaZ> babu: try sudo apt-get install mrtg
[12:58] <WaZ> in terminal
[12:59] <babu> i install it but there is some problem to show
[12:59] <redear> to recap: the only changes to main packages should be officially offered patches and security fixes from ubuntu, that way the 6.06 LTS you have remains something the support guys can understand
[12:59] <Eposhark> Heh? I just compiled a kernel under Debian on a 166MHz pc, but I can't find the deb in /usr/src
[12:59] <Strom_C> hey guys...apologies for asking again, but do any of you know how to manually invoke the video hardware detection that the ubuntu 6.10 install CD performs automatically before starting X?
[12:59] <babu> to configure snmp
[01:00] <Eposhark>  If no error occurs you will find the new kernel as a Debian package called kernel-image-2.4.23_custom.1.0_i386.deb  under /usr/src. > not quite, there is no such thing
[01:00] <redear> 6.06 LTS is a mouthful, i think i'll just call it dapper from now on
[01:00] <babu> waz, i already configure mrtg.conf but there is written snmp error
[01:00] <WaZ> have you installed snmpd?
[01:00] <babu> yah
[01:01] <WaZ> babu: http://www.debianadmin.com/mrtg-installation-and-configuration-in-debian-based-distributions-2.html
[01:01] <mackinac> Strom_C:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:01] <chable> ABit is stoopid
[01:01] <chable> i will never buy another of their products
[01:02] <redear> hey does dapper drake (both server and desktop) work pretty good on new versions of vmware workstation? i have vmware workstation 5.5 and i would love to be able to run dapper drake as guest OSes
[01:02] <Strom_C> mackinac: yeah, i've already been down that road - that's not the comprehensive autoconfiguration the install CD does
[01:02] <chable> i cant install any linux distro on this stoopid motherboard
[01:02] <chable> CD-rom not detected
[01:03] <redear> if it works, does it support things like drag and drop file copy, VMware display drivers, etc etc?
[01:03] <babu> waz, Now you need to restart the snmp service
[01:03] <babu> #/etc/init.d/snmpd restart
[01:03] <babu> The configuration file creating using
[01:03] <babu> #cfgmaker public@localhost > /etc/mrtg.cfg
[01:03] <babu> Creating a configuration file for a device using cfgmaker
[01:03] <babu> #cfgmaker<EMAIL_ADDRESS>>> /etc/mrtg.cfg
[01:03] <babu> With the configuration file created correctly theres only one other thing you have to do and thats to use the indexmaker utility to create the summary home page. Since you have to re-run this command every time you make certain changes to the /etc/mrtg.cfg configuration file. then
[01:03] <WaZ> babu: phone
[01:03] <babu> here cfgmaker is not working
[01:03] <redear> answer found
[01:03] <redear> http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/howto/ubuntu-server-6.06-dapper-drake-vmware-tools-install.html
[01:03] <mneptok> redear: glad to be of help
[01:04] <redear> mneptok: thank you for working through the questions with me, i have no idea what's going on
[01:04] <redear> really appreciate your patience
[01:05] <redear> how often does Canonical and the ubuntu community hope to mint a release as LTS?
[01:05] <babu> waz, i complete before this line > Creating a configuration file for a device using cfgmaker
[01:05] <babu> #cfgmaker<EMAIL_ADDRESS>>> /etc/mrtg.cfg
[01:05] <babu> With the configuration file created correctly theres only one other thing you have to do and thats to use the indexmaker utility to create the summary home page. Since you have to re-run this command every time you make certain changes to the /etc/mrtg.cfg configuration file.
[01:05] <jogis> peoples how set up usb adsl modem? helppppp
[01:05] <redear> once every two years? once a year?
[01:05] <redear> twice a year?
[01:05] <IdleOne> !adsl | jogis
[01:05] <ubotu> jogis: Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[01:06] <jogis> IdleOne thanx
[01:06] <IdleOne> np
[01:07] <mneptok> redear: feel free to use the web portal to ask questions about Canonical support
[01:07] <redear> oh LTS is Canonical specific?
[01:07] <redear> i had no idea
[01:07] <babu> waz , r u there
[01:08] <mneptok> redear: nothing to do with LTS
[01:08] <redear> oh okay
[01:08] <mneptok> redear: Canonical offers commercial support for all releases
[01:08] <mneptok> redear: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid/webtolead
[01:08] <redear> i'll try to keep the two separate
[01:08] <mneptok> redear: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[01:09] <redear> hmm how do i ask this question... how often do LTS releases come out?
[01:09] <mneptok> "when they're ready" ;)
[01:09] <redear> oh okay
[01:09] <mneptok> there will be another LTS release before Dapper goes EOL
[01:10] <astan> hello. i installed python-urlgrabber, but "import urlgrabber" says no such module, do i need to do something special?
[01:11] <redear> oh then that sounds like, at the very worst, the next desktop LTS will be out before the dapper desktop LTS EOL's, and the next server LTS  will be out before the dapperserver LTS EOL's
[01:11] <astan> dpkg-query -L python-urlgrabber shows that the files are installed..
[01:11] <redear> that's a reasonable logical assumption i guess ;-)
[01:11] <Arcad3> i make paid support cheap :D
[01:12] <redear> is there an update network similar to um windows update, so i know when critical security updates ought to be patched?
[01:12] <jogis> IdleOne you have skype?
[01:12] <Mattias> anyone know about buying preinstalled linux'es from any company selling pc's? couldnt find anything on dell.com
[01:12] <Mattias> or just something without windows on :P
[01:12] <Mattias> and mac :P
[01:12] <redear> Mattias: i think you can buy it with windows, and then ask for a refund
[01:13] <redear> either ask for it at buying time, over the phone with Dell, or ask for it after the PCs have arrived
[01:13] <IdleOne> jogis, no but you can ask any question about skype in here and someone will try to help or in #skype
[01:13] <Mattias> okay ^_^
[01:13] <Arcad3> in romania all new pc,s have Mandrake..preinstalled
[01:13] <redear> Mattias: but since Dell doesn't sell Ubuntu, why would you want it preinstalled, except maybe to get all the drivers all in one place in a CD
[01:13] <manelic> hi guys! i have a problem when installing beryl-plugins: apt get says that that package provides libdbus.so, which is also provided by beryl-dbus. is there any way to force any overwrite of files with apt-get or something?
[01:13] <redear> right?
[01:13] <Mattias> redear: i just read an article about dell starting to sell
[01:14] <jogis> IdleOne ok but my d-link-200 modem works on usb :( and i cant configure it :(
[01:14] <redear> Mattias: oh cool
[01:14] <Mattias> redear: i mean, preinstalled with ubuntu / opensuse and one mor
[01:14] <IdleOne> !modem
[01:14] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[01:14] <redear> Mattias: then if they don't update the website so that ubuntu is shown as something you can select in the shopping cart, make sure to call them up, make a follow up call to ensure they understand you want the Ubuntu and want a refund on the OEM Windows license
[01:14] <redear> i think that's what people have done, and Dell has been mostly accomodating
[01:15] <Mattias> redear: aah no, i read that wrong,  its "Pre-Installed Linux Tops Dell Customer Requests"
[01:15] <CheshireViking> Mattias, this place sells laptops with linux preinstalled http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/laptops/ - but not dells
[01:15] <redear> i think it's okay to buy Dells, just call them and ask for a refund on the OEM Windows
[01:15] <Mattias> redear: http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/61771  full article
[01:15] <redear> like try call them and ask today
[01:15] <Mattias> yeah, they refund it 100%
[01:15] <redear> Mattias: thanks for the URL
[01:16] <redear> but i would say you should check whether all the parts you are about to buy are fully supported
[01:16] <redear> this is especially a problem with video cards, and integrated components on lappies
[01:16] <Mattias> i was thinking of dual core, or should i go 64bits?
[01:17] <redear> what kind of box are you thinking of getting?
[01:17] <CheshireViking> i'd buy Dell for linux personally - recently installed Ubuntu on my employer provided Latitude D400 - everything I've tried has worked hardware wise - even wireless working out of the box
[01:17] <Mattias> which one is better? :P
[01:17] <Mattias> redear: basically something fast ^_^ high end desktop
[01:17] <redear> AMD offers value for a lot of computational power
[01:17] <Mattias> i was thinking of waiting for the next generation cpu's tho
[01:17] <nutterpc> back soon
[01:17] <redear> but if you intend to experiment with illegal stuff like Mac OS X, you'll need an Intel
[01:18] <redear> but this is 2007, if Oracle won't support AMD they are being stupid
[01:18] <redear> so you should be fine in terms of compatibility
[01:18] <redear> s/they/Oracle/
[01:18] <bayu_kr> how to update my repository
[01:18] <Mattias> i was thinking dual geforce 8800 GT SLI ^_^
[01:18] <Mattias> and um some strong cpu :D
[01:18] <Mattias> and 4gb of ram
[01:18] <redear> Mattias: get a Pentium II, and send me the money instead, my final advise
[01:18] <redear> advice
[01:18] <Mattias> lol
[01:19] <astan> ah, nevermind, it seems it was installing a module for python2.5, i was running 2.4.
[01:20] <pitillo> hi good morning. I am using edgy and I have a doubt. SMP is supported by linux-image-...-generic ?
[01:20] <redear> Mattias: lately intel has taken a slight lead with core 2 duos
[01:20] <redear> in performance/heat signature, i don't know in terms of pricing
[01:20] <Mattias> redear: i heard intel was working on a new cpu, forgot the name, but it was going to be lots of hot :D
[01:21] <redear> if you can find a core 2 duo in the price/performance sweet spot and after adding the motherboard it is about equivalent to the AMD side of the story
[01:21] <redear> i would personally probably go for Intel
[01:21] <redear> since i am one of those people a special level of hell would be reserved for
[01:21] <astan> how can i switch to python2.5 as my default python?
[01:21] <ikonia_> change your path ?
[01:21] <broedje> /exit
[01:21] <Mattias> redear: whats with the extreme edition?  "intel Dual Core 2 Extreme"
[01:22] <redear> the level of hell for people who run the illegal mac os x on non-apple intels
[01:22] <bayu_kr> hello??? any body can help me... how to update my repository
[01:22] <redear> Mattias: I don't know. I always buy the one in the price/performance sweet spot of the day
[01:22] <whonicca> is it just me or has anyone noticed that unrarring a large file takes longer on nix than on win
[01:22] <redear> so it's never the fastest
[01:23] <astan> ikonia_: hm. okay. /usr/bin/python is a link to /usr/bin/python2.4, i was just thinking if there's an official way to switch to 2.5, instead of just re-creating that link to point to /usr/bin/python2.5.
[01:23] <ikonia_> astan just re-createthe link
[01:23] <astan> ikonia_: alright. thanks.
[01:23] <redear> Mattias: find one you like, let us know how it does with ubuntu :)
[01:23] <Mattias> redear: i think ill wait for next gen cpu / 3d cards, and then wait 4 months until prices are lowered and then buy :D
[01:23] <Mattias> which might be 2009 :P
[01:23] <Mattias> or 2008 :D
[01:23] <redear> Mattias: hahaha
[01:23] <Mattias> maybe this year? :D
[01:23] <redear> that's a long wait
[01:24] <Mevunky> 8 series cards are here
[01:24] <Mattias> or until this computer can'thandle top games anymore
[01:24] <Mevunky> lower end ones comming through which is nice
[01:24] <Mattias> well im using p4 3.4ghz geforce 7800 gt atm
[01:24] <Mattias> kinda old cpu
[01:24] <ikonia_> can we cut the hardware discussion please ?
[01:24] <Mevunky> yes considering a core2 at 1.66 eats it
[01:25] <redear> Mattias: yeah there are hardware channels
[01:25] <ikonia_> thanks guys
[01:25] <redear> this is #ubuntu :-)
[01:25] <stephane> hi first time for me on Xchat
[01:25] <Mattias> stephane: can i recommend irssi? ^_^
[01:25] <phazeman> does anybody here uses photoshop under crossover office or wine ? i need to know if the CameraRaw plugin works as well.. ?
[01:26] <stephane> irssi ? mattias
[01:26] <Mattias> phazeman: which digial system camera are you using?
[01:26] <phazeman> Mattias: canon
[01:26] <Mattias> stephane: best irc client there is for linux ^_^
[01:26] <PeRCeVaL> Arcad3,  i have been looking for that webcam package but i dont find it :D
[01:26] <Mattias> phazeman: well i just reinstalled to ubuntu so lost the name of the app i used to my nikon d70s raw format
[01:27] <stephane> phazeman use gimp
[01:27] <Mattias> gimp lacks cmyk and doesnt support all raw's
[01:27] <Mattias> and other stuff
[01:27] <phazeman> Mattias: i mean - i know i can run photoshop under ubuntu/kubuntu with crossover office and i've done it myself, but i've ever tried to open any raw files with it. i want to kill my w$ now and go back to full time linux but the photoshop issue is the only one that stops me
[01:27] <Mattias> gimp = hobby paint,  photoshop = commercial high end images
[01:27] <stephane> mattias I'm on ubuntu Xchat-gnome
[01:27] <g1gaman> can i run ubuntu installer from cd, if i boot with cdrom support from windows98 start-up floppy? there is no possibility to make cdrom as boot device in bios :(
[01:28] <javiolo> hi
[01:28] <PeRCeVaL> Arcad3,  u still there?
[01:28] <phazeman> stephane: it's a veeeery long and strong war between those two but i, personaly, think that gimp is REALLY not ready
[01:28] <javiolo> is it possible to uninstall gaim without uninstalling ubuntu-desktop ?
[01:28] <Mattias> gimp has patent issues i believe so it can't fully build up completly
[01:28] <phazeman> Mattias: i can show you a screenshot of mine with photoshop 7 on kubuntu
[01:29] <phazeman> Mattias: it's just lacks the basic functionality for me
[01:29] <Mattias> phazeman: if photoshop works, then the camera raw plugin should work too no?
[01:29] <g1gaman> javiolo: i am sure, it is. just run synaptic package manager
[01:29] <phazeman> Mattias: thats the thing that the raw plugin doesn't sit on the same place with photoshop and all it's plugins
[01:29] <clust> Hi, can anybody help me how to setup a Call of Duty 2 server on ubuntu?
[01:29] <phazeman> Mattias: its separated
[01:29] <g1gaman> javiolo: and unchek gaim.
[01:29] <phazeman> Mattias: i need to be sure 100%
[01:30] <javiolo> g1gaman already tried that and sudo aptitude remove gaim
[01:30] <Mattias> phazeman: your not on ubuntu now and with photoshop?
[01:30] <phazeman> Mattias: nop, i'm on windows at home because of the photoshop issue
[01:31] <phazeman> Mattias: but i really wanted to come back to linux. the only thing stopping me for now is the photoshop issue
[01:31] <g1gaman> javiolo: it wont work. go to system->admin.-> synaptic package manager
[01:31] <phazeman> Mattias: i know 99% that codeweavers crossover doesn't support the installshiled of PS CS2, but i know a trick to make it work
[01:31] <javiolo> g1gaman I already tried that :)
[01:31] <Mattias> phazeman: tried their irc channel here on freenode? #crossover
[01:32] <g1gaman> javiolo: have you marked gaim for uninstall?
[01:32] <phazeman> Mattias: nop.. not yet.. will try now :)
[01:32] <g1gaman> can i run ubuntu installer from cd, if i boot with cdrom support from windows98 start-up floppy? there is no possibility to make cdrom as boot device in bios :(
[01:32] <javiolo> g1gaman yes
[01:32] <g1gaman> javiolo: what is the name of installer and where can i find it?
[01:33] <okias> Hi, ext2 or ext3? only for documents, i need max. free space...
[01:33] <PeRCeVaL> Some1 knows how can i get my webcamworking ? :$
[01:33] <PeRCeVaL> dunno where to get a package of drivers
[01:34] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: plug it out, then open your /var/log/messages with tail , plug the camera in and see the name of it and the brand in the log. then google for it
[01:34] <TexasTaz> Which is the best for playing mp3's on Ubuntu
[01:34] <royel> My gateway/fireway (ubuntu 6.06 server) is throttling my bandwidth to clients, I should get close to 3MB/s down but it is choking me to around 1-1.2MB/s, I have tested extensively, an it is a problem within the server, an I replaced all the nics just earlier today. Any clues?
[01:34] <Mattias> TexasTaz: anything you like, RythmBox / Amarok or mp3blaster even
[01:34] <phazeman> TexasTaz: w00t !
[01:34] <phazeman> TexasTaz: do you remember me ?
[01:35] <TexasTaz> Ahh Amorak
[01:35] <TexasTaz> Yes sir phazeman How are you bro
[01:35] <stephane> wow it's cool here
[01:35] <TexasTaz> Long time now
[01:35] <TexasTaz> no see
[01:35] <phazeman> wow man ! years !!!
[01:35] <phazeman> how are you ?
[01:35] <Mattias> !mp3
[01:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:35] <stephane> I use amarok for my iPod
[01:35] <TexasTaz> I see you made the move from n00b linux to a real distro
[01:35] <PeRCeVaL> phazeman,  Feb 20 13:35:08 perceval-desktop kernel: [17186753.556000]  usb 2-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address
[01:35] <Mattias> i use gtkpod for my ipod
[01:35] <Mattias> ^_^
[01:36] <phazeman> TexasTaz: i see that most of us old time mandy users moved to ubuntu :)
[01:36] <PeRCeVaL> phazeman,  tahts what i get
[01:36] <redear> okay another mind boggling dumb question: why isn't the Ubuntu 6.06 LTS DVD available for download via torrent?
[01:36] <TexasTaz> Yeah I like Ubuntu however there are some things that are a bit cumbersome
[01:36] <stephane> me I don't like gtkpod
[01:36] <redear> http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-6-10-PC-Edition/dp/B000K2P4WW/sr=1-1/qid=1162590113?ie=UTF8&s=software&tag2=ubuntushipit-20
[01:36] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: hmmm
[01:36] <redear> i see it is available for sell, for around USD$10, not bad
[01:37] <phazeman> TexasTaz: man.. i'm on it for almost 2 years
[01:37] <redear> but then i have to wait
[01:37] <okias> Hi, what is best for documents(video,music)? ext2 or ext3?
[01:37] <phazeman> tatewaki: on and off
[01:37] <iroc> hey guys
[01:37] <PeRCeVaL> phazeman,  any suggestion ?
[01:37] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: i'm thinking
[01:37] <PeRCeVaL> k ty :D
[01:37] <PeRCeVaL> my  WEBCAM is NGS
[01:37] <iroc> i was wontering if someone coule help me out
[01:37] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: lsmod | grep hcd
[01:38] <phazeman> see if the driver already up
[01:38] <Mattias> okias: Reiser4?
[01:38] <PeRCeVaL> phazeman,  ehci_hcd               34696  0
[01:38] <PeRCeVaL> ohci_hcd               22532  0
[01:38] <PeRCeVaL> usbcore               134912  4 usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[01:38] <royel> okias: you will want to use a journaling file system, so ext3
[01:38] <okias> Mattias: why ?
[01:38] <TexasTaz> phazeman: How are the wife and kids bud that little should be what 3 years old
[01:38] <Guard] [an> hi
[01:38] <iroc> im on an AMD64 5000 dual core box, and neither the 64bit or the 32 bit runs very good on my box
[01:38] <Guard] [an> is there a way to prevent gnome panel from sorting the windows alphabetically when grouping ?
[01:39] <ingo_> hi guys
[01:39] <PeRCeVaL> thtas what i get
[01:39] <PeRCeVaL> ehci_hcd               34696  0
[01:39] <PeRCeVaL> ohci_hcd               22532  0
[01:39] <PeRCeVaL> usbcore               134912  4 usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[01:39] <ingo_> is there anyone that uses php?
[01:39] <phazeman> texyeah they are 2 :)
[01:39] <phazeman> they are all fine thanks :)
[01:39] <phazeman> damn
[01:39] <phazeman> TexasTaz: ^^^
[01:39] <TexasTaz> Heheheh
[01:39] <phazeman> that was for you :)
[01:39] <Mattias> okias: its the fastest filesystem, its an atomic filesystem, which means that your filesystem operations either entirely occur, or they entirely don't, and they don't corrupt due to half occuring. it uses dancing trees, is based on plugins, and has an architected for military grade security ;)
[01:39] <TexasTaz> I know bro
[01:39] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: go here http://isabel.dit.upm.es/content/view/50/2/ and see for your cam
[01:40] <TexasTaz> Remember we used to be ob the same wave length
[01:40] <PeRCeVaL> ty
[01:40] <TexasTaz> ob =on
[01:40] <phazeman> TexasTaz: do you keep in touch with anyone from our old channel ?
[01:40] <phazeman> Mattias: me and TexasTaz were chanops on #mandrake some time ago
[01:40] <phazeman> about 2 years
[01:40] <TexasTaz> Yeah well Hawkwind is going to work where I work soon
[01:40] <phazeman> wow !
[01:40] <phazeman> cool !~
[01:40] <TexasTaz> -> hostgator.com all linux servers 2000 of them
[01:40] <royel> Guard] [an: I can only say I know you can turn the grouping off altogether, may try asking in #gnome also
[01:41] <PeRCeVaL> phazeman,  my webcam is supoorted there! :D
[01:41] <monzie_> hi all
[01:41] <Guard] [an> gonna ask there
[01:41] <Mattias> ive been using gentoo for years until last week ( got tired of recompiling whole system cause of 700 new updates :P )
[01:41] <TexasTaz> I see Habbe occaisionally he is suppose to come visit next year
[01:41] <monzie_> my vmware installation if failing.. i just did apt-get install vmware-player
[01:41] <Mattias> Do anyone know if there is ubuntu with Reiser4?
[01:41] <Mattias> i really want that :P
[01:41] <monzie_> and the post installtion configuration phase fails
[01:42] <PORDO> Mattias don't we all.
[01:42] <TexasTaz> Oh yeah
[01:42] <TexasTaz> we were
[01:42] <PeRCeVaL> phazeman,  i see my cam there, what should i do now ? :$
[01:42] <olaf-t-hunter> anyone know why my mysql wont allow remote connections, i just get cannot connect to .... (i have added db privaldies) but its like its not even getting to the right place
[01:42] <PORDO> Mattias i'm not so sure about the long-term future of reiser considering....
[01:42] <phazeman> there is a link to the drivers page there PeRCeVaL
[01:42] <monzie_> help!
[01:42] <PORDO> TexasTaz you ever been to beaumont?
[01:42] <monzie_> invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-player, action "start" failed.
[01:43] <TexasTaz> Yes sir quite often actually have friends over in port neches and beaumont
[01:43] <hdxx> did anyone manage to install beryl with fglrx  drivers on ati graphic card?
[01:43] <PeRCeVaL> but i dont see the link for the drivers :$
[01:43] <WaZ_phone> hdxx: im on it right now
[01:43] <phazeman> TexasTaz: i miss habbe :)
[01:43] <TexasTaz> Me too phazeman but he is making tons of coin in his new business
[01:43] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: what is the exact name of your camera ?
[01:44] <WaZ> hdxx: Just follow the tutorial on ubuntuguide.org
[01:44] <redear> nevermind, torrent found
[01:44] <PeRCeVaL> NGS Bullseye
[01:44] <TexasTaz> PORDO did you see my response
[01:44] <redear> thanks for helping
[01:44] <phazeman> TexasTaz: is that the LTS project ?
[01:44] <hdxx> WaZ: do you have maybe tutorial for it, because i always get error when i type beryl-manager
[01:44] <redear> poor reiser is in jail
[01:44] <TexasTaz> Well no not really he started a home rmodling biz
[01:44] <PeRCeVaL> phazeman,  is ngs bullseye
[01:44] <PORDO> TexasTaz i was in beaumont for several months before i came to seattle.
[01:44] <youth_in_asia> redear what why?
[01:44] <WaZ> hdxx: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Xgl.2FBeryl_.28ATI.29
[01:44] <redear> for murdering every single windows users
[01:44] <youth_in_asia> over his wife?>
[01:44] <PORDO> my girlfriend is from there.
[01:44] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: lsmod | grep spca
[01:44] <phazeman> is there anything ?
[01:44] <PORDO> SE Texas is HORRIBLE.
[01:45] <PORDO> well, most of texas is horrible.
[01:45] <TexasTaz> Oh one of our lead admins is in seattle right now
[01:45] <PORDO> i'm moving back to san francisco.
[01:45] <PORDO> jobs suck here.
[01:45] <PeRCeVaL> i did
[01:45] <PORDO> at least, doing the kind of no-skilled hospital work i'm into.
[01:45] <PORDO> PeRCeVaL you moved back?
[01:45] <PeRCeVaL> what do u mean ?
[01:45] <TexasTaz> Yeah I feel ya partner
[01:45] <PORDO> you said "i did".
[01:45] <PeRCeVaL> yeah...
[01:45] <PeRCeVaL> i did lsmod | grep spca
[01:46] <PORDO> i worked at joe's crab shack in beaumont.  suck city.
[01:46] <PeRCeVaL> it was to phazeman  :D
[01:46] <TexasTaz> I work for hostgator.com and I love it all Linux House
[01:46] <PORDO> hicks, all of them.
[01:46] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: did you get any response ?
[01:46] <phazeman> anything
[01:46] <phazeman> or it was empty ?
[01:46] <PeRCeVaL> no
[01:46] <redear> this is very off topic
[01:46] <PeRCeVaL> it was empty
[01:46] <PeRCeVaL> perceval@perceval-desktop:~$ lsmod | grep spca
[01:46] <PeRCeVaL> perceval@perceval-desktop:~$
[01:46] <PORDO> i'm going to get my old job back in SF making 20$/hr. just doing easy paperwork.
[01:46] <PORDO> so i can focus on my music.
[01:46] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: sudo modprobe spci <press tab>
[01:46] <phazeman> see if it completes to something
[01:47] <PeRCeVaL> i get nothing by pressing tab
[01:47] <dimovich> what script is responsible for turning off the power when the computer shutdowns ?
[01:47] <PeRCeVaL> ahh now :D
[01:47] <TexasTaz> how is it spelled amorak?
[01:47] <WaZ> amarok
[01:47] <phazeman> TexasTaz: AMAROK man
[01:47] <PeRCeVaL> FATAL: Module spci not found.
[01:48] <phazeman> it's not spci. it's spci5xx or something
[01:48] <TexasTaz> Thanks WaZ
[01:48] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: i told you to press tab to see if it completes to something
[01:48] <PORDO> anyone here have a windows machine handy with google talk/voip?
[01:48] <PeRCeVaL> perceval@perceval-desktop:~$ sudo modprobe spca5xx
[01:48] <PeRCeVaL> perceval@perceval-desktop:~$
[01:48] <PORDO> i'm trying to test something.
[01:48] <PeRCeVaL> done
[01:48] <kyug> hello, has anyone has some experience with dual monitor setup?
[01:49] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: now try to work with your camer
[01:49] <phazeman> camera
[01:49] <PeRCeVaL> ok
[01:49] <PeRCeVaL> let me see
[01:49] <Dna^> hello
[01:49] <TexasTaz> installing it now does it have the mp3 codec by default? amarok I mean
[01:49] <PeRCeVaL> but i havent installed anydriver
[01:49] <WaZ> kyug: you need to make double entries in xorg.conf
[01:49] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: you just did with me
[01:49] <phazeman> TexasTaz: apt-cache search codec | grep amarok
[01:49] <WaZ> kyug: never tried it myself tho
[01:49] <kyug> well I have xorg.conf that basically works well and I have dual monitor set up
[01:50] <PeRCeVaL> its not working
[01:50] <TexasTaz> phazeman You do that one more time
[01:50] <TexasTaz> rofl
[01:50] <PORDO> X is a mess.
[01:50] <kyug> but it doesn't detect that the external is not connected
[01:50] <Dna^> how i cann't listen my mp3s on ubuntu hoary...and i have all the packg...
[01:50] <phazeman> TexasTaz: yteah man.. thats me... :)
[01:50] <WaZ> kyug: I think the whole trick is to have two displays
[01:50] <kyug> which is very confusing when u use laptop itself
[01:50] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: lsmod | grep spc
[01:50] <flamesrock> I want to put ubuntu on my laptop, but my question is, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[01:50] <PeRCeVaL> spca5xx               637648  0
[01:50] <PeRCeVaL> videodev               10752  1 spca5xx
[01:50] <PeRCeVaL> usbcore               134912  5 spca5xx,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[01:51] <WaZ> kyug: ah yeah, i can't help sorry, haven't tried it yet ;-)
[01:51] <wootcakes> well that was scary
[01:51] <kyug> WaZ: ok thanks anyway
[01:51] <olaf-t-hunter> what are the differences between kubuntu and ubunut?
[01:51] <phazeman> olaf-t-hunter: gnome with kde
[01:51] <WaZ> olaf-t-hunter: ubuntu = gnome kubuntu = KDE
[01:51] <flamesrock> I know what the differences are, I want to know which is smoother
[01:52] <flamesrock> a better overall experience
[01:52] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: your camera is up and running now. try to see for some errors in the /var/log/messages
[01:52] <olaf-t-hunter> ahh that makes sense
[01:52] <PeRCeVaL> ok
[01:52] <flamesrock> I'm used to KDE, but if gnome is faster overall, i'll use that
[01:52] <flamesrock> so what do you guys think?
[01:52] <phazeman> flamesrock: it's the same. you want fast - go to fluxbox or e17
[01:52] <WaZ> flamesrock: if you don't know gnome and kde, go for ubuntu first, but it's a co:pletely arbitrary tip
[01:53] <PeRCeVaL> Feb 20 13:48:21 perceval-desktop kernel: [17187546.564000]  Linux video capture interface: v1.00
[01:53] <PeRCeVaL> Feb 20 13:48:21 perceval-desktop kernel: [17187546.596000]  usbcore: registered new driver spca5xx
[01:53] <PeRCeVaL> Feb 20 13:48:21 perceval-desktop kernel: [17187546.596000]  drivers/media/video/spca5xx/spca5xx-main.c: spca5xx driver 00.57.08 registered
[01:53] <olaf-t-hunter> right im nearly there
[01:53] <WaZ> flamesrock: you can always "install' kde on ubuntu and basically end up with kubuntu
[01:53] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: your camera should be working now
[01:53] <PeRCeVaL> ok
[01:53] <PeRCeVaL> ty
[01:53] <flamesrock> true, but then I'm left with wasted packages :/
[01:53] <phazeman> try starting some app and see if the lamp on the camera turns on (the small green one usually)
[01:54] <PeRCeVaL> it doenst turn on
[01:54] <TexasTaz> Okay guys what do I use to convert my mp3's to ogg cuz this is failing and giving error
[01:54] <WaZ> flamesrock: if you like KDE, go for kubuntu ;-)
[01:54] <olaf-t-hunter> can you run php on mongrel?
[01:54] <phazeman> TexasTaz: i was usualy running grip or something
[01:54] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: hmmm...
[01:56] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: did you try looking for it on the ubuntu forums ?
[01:56] <PeRCeVaL> yah
[01:56] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: it's just i don't have the device here and i don't have much time to look for it
[01:56] <phazeman> PeRCeVaL: nothing ?
[01:56] <PeRCeVaL> nah
[01:56] <PeRCeVaL> i will try more later
[01:56] <PeRCeVaL> ty for ur help man
[01:57] <phazeman> you are welcome
[01:57] <phazeman> welp.. going to work for a little... :)
[01:57] <phazeman> TexasTaz: hope to see you again here man
[01:58] <cbhworld> When's feisty due out?
[01:58] <WaZ> cbhworld: April
[01:58] <cypher1> cbhworld: april 19 i think
[01:59] <cbhworld> Thanks,
[01:59] <Mac40DO> hi! Wie kriege ich idn-domains mit bind zum laufen?
[01:59] <WaZ> !de
[01:59] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:59] <Trixsey> I'm getting this error (http://www.mathbin.net/8137) on boot over and over, and it's getting irritating.  My problem is locale shows that I am not using UTF8. so I am at a loss to understand where it manages to find some UTF8. any idea (using edgy)?
[02:00] <Mac40DO> How can I get bind to work with idn-domains?
[02:00] <TexasTaz> I am not ripping from cd I just need to convert them
[02:01] <gilnim> hello
[02:01] <TexasTaz> They are in a Dir on my hd in this laptop
[02:01] <TexasTaz> in = on
[02:01] <WaZ> Mac40DO: not sure :-S
[02:01] <gilnim> what's the command for overwriting the harddrive with zeros?
[02:02] <WaZ> gilnim: shred?
[02:02] <gilnim> what's the command for overwriting the harddrive with zeros?yes
[02:02] <gilnim> oh .... :) i want to delete all data on my harddrive because i have to send it to Western Digital
[02:03] <WaZ> gilnim: lol good thinking :D
[02:03] <gilnim> WaZ: Do you have a good idea to do that?
[02:04] <whonicca> does writing large files to ntfs take longer than ext3?
[02:04] <WaZ> gilnim: just a sec
[02:06] <gilnim> whonicca: I think so.
[02:06] <WaZ> gilnim: shred -f -z /dev/yourhd
[02:06] <gilnim> thanks
[02:07] <WaZ> it can take a long time gilnim
[02:07] <gilnim> ok
[02:07] <royel> My gateway/fireway (ubuntu 6.06 server) is throttling my bandwidth to clients, I should get close to 3MB/s down but it is choking me to around 1-1.2MB/s,I have tested extensively, with an without the server in the picture an it keeps coming back to the server being the only time things slowdown. I replaced all the nics just earlier today. Any clues from you experts?
[02:07] <timon> Can PLS somebody help me? I have a problem with Ubuntu installation...
[02:08] <WaZ> timon: what problem?
[02:08] <Dna^> hello
[02:08] <timon> @WAZ: I want to install Ubuntu 6.06 & 6.10 but i get a XSERVER error :( Can u help me?
[02:09] <WaZ>   -z, --zero     add a final overwrite with zeros to hide shredding > yeah like a whole partition full of zeroes is not an indication of shredding :D
[02:09] <WaZ> timon: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:09] <Dna^> i have a problem i just installed xmms and when i try to play a mp3 the xmmsplayer stops doing nothing
[02:10] <timon> @ WaZ : I write /etc/X11/xorg.conf...its the same?
[02:10] <WaZ> timon: reconfigure should rewrite the file
[02:11] <WaZ> timon: if live cd works, it should work after install
[02:11] <whonicca> Dna^, aptitude install mpg321
[02:11] <valehru> Hey guys, do any of ye know an open source free web based app that can track use case, manage testing and bugs etc?  I want to set it up on my Lan and use it to manage my project
[02:13] <TexasTaz> Alrighty guys I am outta here I have to go to work
[02:13] <TexasTaz> Ya'll have a good day today and phazeman you have a good night
[02:13] <WaZ> you to TexasTaz
[02:13] <slippyr4> hi all. in edgy, by default, fstab contains uuid's for partitions to mount instead of device names. is it possible to do this is dapper? it uses device names. also in dapper, "vol_id" isn;t installed. can anyone say what package it's in?
[02:14] <ikonia_> slippyr4 the device component in the kernel isn't updated to the correct level to use the device id's
[02:14] <Dna^> whonicca No candidate version found for mpg321
[02:14] <TexasTaz> LaterZ
[02:15] <WaZ> Dna^: might need to add other repositories
[02:15] <whonicca> yea =P
[02:15] <slippyr4> ikonia: ok, nm
[02:15] <WaZ> in System>Administration>Software sources
[02:15] <slippyr4> now i get to find out if pvmove is broken. it's broken in edgy
[02:15] <WaZ> how did it go hdxx?
[02:16] <ikonia_> slippyr4 pvmove works
[02:16] <hdxx> WaZ: didn't work :(
[02:16] <WaZ> did you add the lines at the bottom of your xorg.conf?
[02:16] <hdxx> yes
[02:16] <WaZ> to disable AIGXL and Composite
[02:16] <hdxx> i can copy xrog on pastbin
[02:16] <WaZ> did you start the session as xgl?
[02:17] <hdxx> i tryped beryl-manager
[02:17] <Dna^> WaZ wich repositories i have to add?
[02:17] <hdxx> and i get errors
[02:17] <WaZ> Dna^: I believe Universe
[02:17] <gh0st> hello, can i access a remote desktop from a lan (and only from there)!?
[02:17] <WaZ> hdxx: in your login window, change you session to use XGL
[02:18] <WaZ> hdxx: not the standard gnome
[02:18] <Dna^> WaZ all? :)
[02:18] <ikonia_> gh0st yes
[02:18] <WaZ> Dna^: yeah, just add them all ;-)
[02:18] <gh0st> ikonia: how? i would prefer doing in VNC, but it SHOULDB only be on the lan, so no internet etc... is this possbile?
[02:18] <hdxx> WaZ: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6705/
[02:18] <WaZ> Dna^: alternatively, just install easyubuntu http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[02:18] <ikonia_> don't install easy ubuntu
[02:19] <WaZ> hdxx: did you reboot?
[02:19] <hdxx> just x server
[02:19] <slippyr4> ikonia_ : it really doesn't , certainly not with the out-the-box device mapper stuff, kernel & lvm tools
[02:19] <WaZ> hdxx: did you just install drivers?
[02:19] <ritchiee> what is the best method to encrypt a linux ext3 filesystem? also what encryption would be best?
[02:19] <gh0st> i mean the VNC server should only be accessible via local (router) lan although it has an internet connect, how can i do this?
[02:19] <WaZ> hdxx: your old drivers might not be unloaded properly
[02:19] <gh0st> WaZ: truecrypt !
[02:19] <whonicca> Dna^, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <ikonia_> slippyr4 works fine for me
[02:20] <gh0st> ritchiee: truecrypt !
[02:20] <hdxx> WaZ: direct rendering is on yes
[02:20] <ikonia_> gh0st usea private IP address
[02:20] <WaZ> hdxx: you sure you selected xgl as your session right?
[02:20] <burepe> can you run 2 firefoxes on the same comp?
[02:20] <ikonia_> use a
[02:20] <whonicca> Dna^, Ensure the relevant repositories are enabled. Click System  Administration  Synaptic Package Manager  Settings  Repositories and then click Add. Check the Community maintained (Universe) and Non-free (Multiverse) boxes. When you close the window, click Reload.
[02:20] <whonicca> quote unquote
[02:20] <ikonia_> burepe as in two different versions ?
[02:20] <gh0st> ikona_: could you be a bit more precise? what is that?
[02:20] <Dna^> WaZ but i have ubuntu hoary version, no problem?
[02:20] <hdxx> WaZ: i didn't because i don't want to load beryl when i log in..
[02:21] <ikonia_> gh0st private IP address is a none internet routable ip address
[02:21] <WaZ> Dna^: not sure ;-)
[02:21] <burepe> the same version?
[02:21] <burepe> like change the name and path or something
[02:21] <WaZ> hdxx: it doesn't
[02:21] <ikonia_> burepe yesh , just click the launch icon 2 times and you'll get two sessions
[02:21] <ikonia_> burepe why do you need to change the path  ?
[02:21] <gh0st> ikonia_: but the pc should be connect to internet, just not accessible trough vnc from there (for security reasons)
[02:21] <whonicca> Dna^, follow those instructions i just posted and try that command again
[02:21] <ikonia_> gh0stgh0st disable vnc then
[02:21] <whonicca> the one i originally posted
[02:21] <WaZ> hdxx: it will only load it if you add it in your session
[02:21] <timon821> WaZ: I type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but he says "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root"
[02:21] <ikonia_> gh0st or firewall it
[02:21] <Dna^> whonicca ok
[02:22] <burepe> I am using google browser sync but there are somethings I don't want to use with it
[02:22] <WaZ> timon821: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[02:22] <ikonia_> burepe basiclly - its not a good idea to install firefox 2 times to different location, same version or different
[02:22] <burepe> k
[02:22] <gh0st> ikonia_:here's the situation: i want an internet-connect download-only-pc accessible REMOTELY, but ONLY from the LAN
[02:23] <hdxx> WaZ: here is my xorg http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6706/
[02:23] <gh0st> can anyone help me with this?
[02:24] <WaZ> hdxx: it looks good, but you _have_ to chose xgl as your session for it to work, it will not load beryl by default, you still have to start beryl-manager manually if you do
[02:24] <burepe> gh0st: set up desktop sharing and use vnc
[02:24] <ikonia_> gh0st ok - so firewall oall out going traffic that your don't want
[02:24] <hdxx> WaZ: ok i will try
[02:24] <burepe> only problem is signing in
[02:24] <WaZ> hdxx: :D
[02:25] <burepe> gh0st: I don't think you can sign in with vnc
[02:25] <gh0st> burepe: how do you mean? sign in?
[02:25] <burepe> you got the log in page right
[02:25] <gh0st> ?
[02:25] <burepe> I don' t think you can connect with vnc before you get to the log in page
[02:25] <gh0st> i want to set up a vnc
[02:26] <burepe> only after
[02:26] <burepe> is the remote server on your local network?
[02:26] <WaZ> gh0st: you might have to allow remote hosts
[02:26] <ikonia_> gh0st just setup vnc to listen on your lan nic - then firewall anything you don't want to have access from the internet
[02:26] <burepe> yah
[02:26] <hdxx> WaZ: is it enough if i restart just X
[02:26] <WaZ> hdxx: just log out, change session to xgl and log in
[02:26] <hdxx> ok
[02:27] <gh0st> ikonia_: so basically, i should allow only local ip addresses and the downloading app, right?
[02:27] <ikonia_> yup
[02:27] <gh0st> ...with the firewall
[02:27] <nexeus> can someone help my Rclick or Lclick does not work on xubuntu desktop? plz
[02:27] <olaf-t-hunter> anyone know the bin-path for my php-cgi ?
[02:27] <itscoldoutside> hi
[02:27] <gh0st> ikonia_: another thing is : is it then possible to transfer (via FAST lan) from this pc to mine with vnc client?
[02:27] <itscoldoutside> anyone knows a mass mailer for linux ?
[02:28] <ikonia_> gh0st transfer what ?
[02:28] <ikonia_> itscoldoutside sendmail
[02:28] <bigli> libgl1-mesa-dev: Depends: mesa-common-dev (= 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3) but 6.5.1-0.5 is to be installed---- what does it means?
[02:28] <burepe> gh0st: do you mean local lan?
[02:28] <gh0st> ikonia_: i meant *files* from the harddisk to mine
[02:28] <WaZ> gh0st: I would use ssh or ftp for transfering files
[02:28] <itscoldoutside> ikonia_ sendmail isnt a mail server ?
[02:29] <WaZ> hdxx: how did it go?
[02:29] <ikonia_> itscoldoutside yes
[02:29] <burepe> gh0st: yeah but why don't you just share folders for that?
[02:29] <gh0st> WaZ: an ftp server for this purpose!?
[02:29] <bigli> someone help me please
[02:29] <jrib> bigli: what version of ubunut are you using?
[02:29] <gh0st> burepe: how can i access this shared folder then?
[02:29] <hdxx> WaZ: (beryl-manager:8014): Gtk-WARNING **: it's not possible find a module_path pixmap :d i will remove beryl and install again
[02:30] <burepe> gh0st: so you want a download box on a local network? What is the other comp? linux?
[02:30] <itscoldoutside> ikonia_ I was thinking of a marketing mailer app
[02:30] <bigli> edgy
[02:30] <WaZ> hdxx: strange, try rebooting maybe...
[02:30] <gh0st> burepe: yes (damn small linux) and here ubuntu linux (main box)
[02:30] <jrib> bigli: k, try to preface your responses with my name so they get highlighted for me.  Can you please pastebin your sources.list?
[02:30] <jrib> !pastebin | bigli
[02:30] <ubotu> bigli: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:31] <ikonia_> itscoldoutside ezmlm
[02:31] <burepe> ghost which one is the download box?
[02:31] <gh0st> burepe: the dsl box, not the ubuntu
[02:31] <ikonia_> itscoldoutside just make sure you have an smtp relay that a.) allows mass mailing b.) isn't blacklisted
[02:31] <buli> nee,stel nie belang nie
[02:32] <burepe> gh0st: so you want to know how to set up dsl not ubuntu right?
[02:32] <itscoldoutside> ikonia_ my stmp server allows me to send mass mailing
[02:32] <royel> !cn | buli
[02:32] <ubotu> buli: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:32] <gh0st> burepe: but it doesn't matter what os is there, because it's simply linux. i only need to acces desktop remotely (safely) and transfer files from the dl-box to mine
[02:32] <ikonia_> itscoldoutside is it your server on a DSL /cable line ?
[02:32] <burepe> gh0st: it is just that we know ubuntu not dsl
[02:32] <hdxx> WaZ: i'm installing again, we'll see:d
[02:32] <burepe> gh0st: do this
[02:32] <itscoldoutside> ikonia_ no
[02:32] <bigli> how?
[02:32] <gh0st> burepe: ok, so let's say it's ubuntu
[02:32] <WaZ> hdxx: good luck ;-)
[02:32] <gh0st> xubuntu
[02:32] <Hasrat_USA> can anyone experienced with partitioning using gparted help me out? i'm willing to send him/her 5 dollars through money order. no gimmick, no BS
[02:32] <ikonia_> just checking, want to make sure its not blacklisted
[02:32] <itscoldoutside> ikonia_ its from the ISP
[02:32] <ikonia_> super
[02:33] <jrib> !anyone | Hasrat_USA
[02:33] <ubotu> Hasrat_USA: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[02:33] <burepe> gh0st: get dsl to boot with out a log in. Then set up desktop sharing in the settings
[02:33] <WaZ> hdxx: it worked directly when I followed the tutorial here
[02:33] <bigli> what is paste bin?
[02:33] <royel> !pastebin | bigli
[02:33] <ubotu> bigli: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:33] <ikonia_> Hasrat_USA whats the problem, we help for free in here
[02:33] <burepe> gh0st: that will allow you to connect over a local network with just the ip address
[02:33] <gh0st> burepe: i will install xuubntu or ubuntu on it, so how would it work then?
[02:33] <SecrethX> is there a problem with VLC playing dual layer DVDs?
[02:34] <hdxx> WaZ: beryl work for me if i have opensource drivesrs :)
[02:34] <hdxx> drivers*
[02:34] <ikonia_> gh0st you need to read the basiscs, there are good docs on wiki.ubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.com
[02:34] <gh0st> burepe: so basically i need to enable sharing of folders in the dl-box, and can simply access it trough nautilus then?
[02:34] <gh0st> (assuming i know the IP, of course)
[02:34] <WaZ> hdxx: might be because your modules didnt unload properly, hence why i suggest a restart
[02:35] <burepe> gh0st: I can't tell you how to do the skip sign in thing, but if the comp has no monitor and keyboard then you have to get it to the desk top before you access it with the other comp via vnc
[02:35] <WaZ> hdxx: looks good doesn't it?
[02:35] <burepe> yeah
[02:35] <hdxx> WaZ: yep:)
[02:35] <gh0st> burepe: i can access it no problem
[02:36] <burepe> gh0st: system> administration>shared folders
[02:36] <gh0st> it's just more confortable to do it from mine
[02:36] <burepe> gh0st: share the folders you want there
[02:36] <WaZ> hdxx: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Tips/Default_Commands usefull info
[02:37] <gh0st> burepe: and how can i access/copy it when it's shared?
[02:37] <hdxx> i added to bookmark :D
[02:37] <burepe> gh0st: then go to system>prefrences>remote desktop
[02:37] <Hasrat_USA> okay it goes like this: i have windows XP and it's installed in only one drive called C:. except C i don't have any other drive. the c drive is 143.95 GB big, of which 12 GB has been used so far and 131.86 GB isn't used (free). I also have 5 GB of unallocated space. to make it easier, here is a screenshot http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotrx7.png
[02:37] <burepe> gh0st: go on the other comp and it should see the download box
[02:37] <Homer> Hiya ppl what the best program for mouse gestures
[02:37] <Homer> Hiya ppl what the best program for mouse gestures
[02:37] <Hasrat_USA> of which 12 GB has been used so far and 131.86 GB isn't used (free). I also have 5 GB of unallocated space. to make it easier, here is a screenshot http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotrx7.png
[02:37] <burepe> gh0st: just drag and drop
[02:38] <burepe> gh0st: are you talking about using a torrent program?
[02:38] <gh0st> burepe: yes
[02:38] <illsci> hey where is the proper place to put link speed settings.... which file?  I didn't see anything about it in the interfaces man page...
[02:38] <jrib> bigli: do you understand what you need to do?
[02:38] <gh0st> burepe: you got any better solutions?
[02:38] <Hasrat_USA> now i need someone to tell me exactly what to do, step by step
[02:38] <bigli> jrib: http://pastebin.ca/364886
[02:39] <Hasrat_USA> i want to install linux on a single 60 GB HDD and 1 GB for swap
[02:39] <timon> WaZ are you here?
[02:39] <Slart> Hasrat_USA: what's the goal? install ubuntu? make place on the drive for a linux partition or two?
[02:39] <burepe> gh0st: you can set azureus to monitor a folder so on your main comp set it firefox to always download .torrent files to that folder on the download box.
[02:39] <filou> hi
[02:39] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: 5 GB aint much, but other wise, you select the free space, create a partition in ext3 or reiserfs
[02:39] <Hasrat_USA> also, in future, if need be, i would like borrow space from XP and add it to the single 60 GB linux ext partition
[02:39] <bigli> jrib: can we have private messaging? i will be confuse in this room
[02:39] <WaZ> timon: yup, how did it go?
[02:39] <jrib> bigli: please join #ubuntu-classroom
[02:40] <Slart> does ubuntu shrink ntfs partitions?
[02:40] <boubbin_> i juts downloaded 6.10, is it possible to upgrade from 6.10 to the newest somehow ?
[02:40] <Hasrat_USA> Slart: install ubuntu and make place on the drive for a linux ext3 partition of 60 GB and 1 GB swap
[02:40] <gh0st> burepe: ok, but from time to time i need to ACCESS the pc, although Azureus has nice webUI.
[02:40] <burepe> gh0st: then you surf on the main one, when you download the .torrent file it goes in to the monitored folder and azureus auto starts downloading it
[02:40] <bigli> ok jrib
[02:40] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: is it a new XP install?
[02:40] <Hasrat_USA> yes
[02:40] <Hasrat_USA> delol did it
[02:40] <burepe> gh0st: use vnc for that
[02:40] <Hasrat_USA> dell
[02:40] <IdleOne> boubbin, version 7.04 is still beta you dont want to upgrade unless you know what you are doing
[02:40] <burepe> gh0st: then go to system>prefrences>remote desktop
[02:40] <boubbin_> IdleOne: but later ?
[02:41] <gh0st> burepe: that's a very good idea with the azureus monitoring, thanks for that
[02:41] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: then select your xp partition and type resize: then chose size of your HD - 54 GB
[02:41] <burepe> gh0st: that will let you access it with vnc
[02:41] <Hasrat_USA> why 54?
[02:41] <Hasrat_USA> ok
[02:41] <WaZ> euh not type
[02:41] <Hasrat_USA> ty
[02:41] <IdleOne> boubbin, yes when 7.04 is ready you will be able to upgrade from the upgrade-manager
[02:41] <gh0st> burepe: can i "mount" this remote folder at each start?
[02:41] <burepe> gh0st: the plugins for azureus are where it is at. You can do anything.
[02:41] <timon> @ Waz: The code was right but at the end of the configure ( at least i set the monitor colordepht) , came the message "xserver-xorg postins warning: overwriting possibly-customaised configurationfiles; backup in ..."
[02:41] <boubbin_> ok, nice1
[02:41] <WaZ> not 54 , size of your HD - 54
[02:41] <IdleOne> !fiesty | boubbin
[02:41] <ubotu> boubbin: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[02:41] <burepe> if it is shared it will just be there
[02:41] <TeePOG> afternoon all
[02:41] <WaZ> timon: yes that's normal
[02:41] <burepe> gh0st: just save a shortcut on the main compengi_
[02:41] <burepe> comp
[02:42] <timon> @ WaZ : and now?
[02:42] <WaZ> timon: did it fail to load X?
[02:42] <burepe> gh0st: install ubuntu on the download box. you will have a much easier time
[02:42] <gh0st> burepe: for the dl-box, which vnc SERVER do i need?
[02:43] <skar> hi all, i've got a asus p5b motherboad with jmicron ide, i can run fedora core 6 correctly, but ubuntu install cd hangs? any fix for this?
[02:43] <burepe> gh0st: you don't need any just enable remote desktop shareing where I told you
[02:43] <gh0st> i need one to access it via "remot desktop", isn't it?
[02:43] <jrib> skar: feisty herd-3 installed fine for me
[02:43] <yaman> what is the similar program to winrar in ubuntu ?
[02:43] <jrib> skar: (live cd only)
[02:43] <burepe> then on the main comp in any vlc viewer put in the internal ip address of the dl box
[02:43] <jrib> !rar | yaman
[02:43] <ubotu> yaman: rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[02:43] <Hasrat_USA> 7zip
[02:44] <Hasrat_USA> WaZ: here is what i got after following your instruction http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1gx5.png
[02:44] <gh0st> burepe: now, i'm confused, there's a "remote folder" and "remote desktop ACCESS", but no "create remote desktop"?
[02:44] <skar> jrib: u mean this http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/releases/feisty/herd-3/feisty-desktop-i386.iso ?
[02:44] <burepe> gh0st:  you need a vnc viewer on the main comp
[02:44] <burepe> that is it
[02:44] <skar> jrib: did the rtl8168B gige nic work too?
[02:44] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: good, now select the empty space and create new partition
[02:45] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: 1 GB, linux_swap as FS type
[02:45] <burepe> gh0st: go to system>prefrences>remote desktop
[02:45] <eck090> is it possible to mount my iwndows drive so i can access some of the files?
[02:45] <gh0st> burepe: ok, but the dl-box MUST act as a server
[02:45] <burepe> gh0st: do you have that path?
[02:45] <eck090> windows*
[02:45] <jrib> skar: both nics are detected and have an associated driver, but I've only tested the bottom one
[02:45] <gh0st> burepe: yep
[02:45] <burepe> gh0st: that is all already there under the remote desktop settings
[02:45] <skar> jrib: both?!?! i've got only 1 nic, i've only the basic p5b, not the deluxe one?
[02:45] <burepe> just click the boxes
[02:46] <burepe> and add a password
[02:46] <burepe> if you want
[02:46] <jrib> skar: oh, I have deluxe, I don't know then
[02:46] <Hasrat_USA> WaZ: http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2go9.png
[02:46] <gh0st> burepe: ok, saw it. now if i don't have ubuntu, there's the problem :-) ...
[02:46] <hdxx> WaZ: i give up with beryl :D
[02:46] <skar> jrib: hehe ok, at least the ide/sata on the jmicron works in addition to the intel sata ports?
[02:46] <burepe> gh0st: that is why all of this will be easir with ubuntu
[02:46] <burepe> gh0st: can you put ubuntu on the dl box/
[02:46] <burepe> ?
[02:46] <gh0st> burepe do you know how the programs are called
[02:46] <SecrethX> is there a problem with duallayer dvds in ubuntu? it doesnt detect mine :S
[02:47] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA:  New size: 1024, Filesystem: linux_swap
[02:47] <Hasrat_USA> okay
[02:47] <TeePOG> anyone here available for troubleshooting help with Ubuntu installation? The installer keeps crashing
[02:47] <burepe> gh0st: what programs?
[02:47] <WaZ> hdxx: didn't work with fglrx?
[02:47] <jrib> skar: yep, give the live cd a try to test things out
[02:47] <hdxx> nop
[02:47] <burepe> gh0st: the viewer on the main box?
[02:47] <gh0st> burepe: i could, but it's an extremely low spec box, and ubuntu is not what i would call 'lightweight'
[02:47] <castor> hello there
[02:47] <gh0st> burepe: the server on the dl-box
[02:47] <burepe> gh0st: what are the specs
[02:47] <eck090> teepog: that usto happen to me when i last installed it, i just kept trying and it worked
[02:47] <skar> jrib: ok thanks will try it NOW can't wait to get ubuntu on this boxen
[02:47] <burepe> gh0st: I use ubuntu on a 50 dollar comp
[02:47] <WaZ> hdxx: might be a problem with the radeon 9200 and fglrx drivers, but don't take my word for it
[02:47] <Hasrat_USA> WaZ: and what should i chose in the 'create as' drop down menu? is linux_swap gonna be primary or extended?
[02:48] <burepe> gh0st: works fine
[02:48] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: primary
[02:48] <gh0st> burepe:  i mean the program "system>prefrences>remote desktop"
[02:48] <Hasrat_USA> ok
[02:48] <burepe> gh0st: it is not a program it is a setting
[02:48] <SecrethX> hdxx,  I have Radeon 9200SE card, and beryl is working sweet
[02:48] <TeePOG> eck090, believe me when I say I've tried everything... even the CD defect checker option crashes back to Busybox
[02:48] <Hasrat_USA> WaZ: then?
[02:48] <burepe> gh0st: enable desktop shareing
[02:48] <timon> @ WaZ: i dont really now...i set the monitocolorpepht and when i say "OK" the configwindow becomes smaller and than the massage comes "xserver-xorg postintsd warning: overwriting possibly-customised configurationfile; back up in ...."and under there i cna type texts...
[02:48] <hdxx> SecrethX: with fglrx drivers ?
[02:48] <eck090> teepog: did you try the safe mode?
[02:48] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: then click on the remainder, and create a new partition
[02:49] <gh0st> burepe: i have also other reasons for not using ubuntu- like learning more from linux and experiment (as i will have the free time)
[02:49] <SecrethX> hdxx, no.. aiglx worked fine here
[02:49] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: leave new size intact and choose reiserfs as filesystem
[02:49] <TeePOG> eck090, yes i did
[02:49] <gh0st> burepe: i mean the APP ""system>prefrences>remote desktop" so i could also INSTALL it on the non-ubuntu-dl-box
[02:49] <TeePOG> eck090, i even tried text-mode install and command-line only installation
[02:49] <bauer77> is there a way to undo a delete?
[02:49] <WaZ> hdxx: just use aiglx ;-)
[02:49] <jrib> bauer77: how did you delete?
[02:49] <SecrethX> is there a problem with duallayer dvds in ubuntu? it doesnt detect mine :S
[02:49] <burepe> gh0st: you are in for a hell of a ride if you are going to do this with any other distro. I promise. If so you should be asking these questions on the dsl channel
[02:49] <Hasrat_USA> http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3lf9.png waz
[02:50] <timon> @ WaZ: i dont really now...it doesnt says that  is installed oder failed...i set the monitocolorpepht and when i say "OK" the configwindow becomes smaller and than the massage comes "xserver-xorg postintsd warning: overwriting possibly-customised configurationfile; back up in ...."and under there i cna type texts...
[02:50] <bauer77> rm (filename)
[02:50] <royel> burepe: thats exactly what I was thinking just now
[02:50] <jrib> bauer77: is the file still being accessed by any programs/
[02:50] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: change filesystem to resiserfs
[02:50] <gh0st> burepe: well anyway, thanks for the help
[02:50] <bauer77> no
[02:50] <eck090> then im all out of ideas because the same problem happend to me
[02:50] <jrib> bauer77: then no, not really
[02:50] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: then add
[02:50] <bauer77> lol, thanks
[02:50] <hdxx> WaZ: is that version OpenGL version string: 1.3.1091 (X4.3.0-8.28.8)
[02:50] <burepe> gh0st: that is what I am telling you. We use ubuntu. I can not say how to go about doing this on another distro. I will guarentee it will take you 10 times longer though
[02:50] <hdxx> its ok ?
[02:51] <Hasrat_USA> done waz
[02:51] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: now continue
[02:51] <Hasrat_USA> should it also be a primary partition?
[02:51] <gh0st> burepe: as said, i'm lucky to have a bit of time for some weeks :-) and i love linux problems haha
[02:51] <castor> May someone help me? i want to know how to update the Nvidia graphic driver ( i've downloaded the ***.run) from nvidia website. And if it would be possible to talk in private it would be marvelous because i'm not used to the crazy IRC information flow :p
[02:51] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: and make a screenshot after
[02:52] <timon> @ WaZ: i dont really now...it doesnt says that  is installed oder failed...i set the monitocolorpepht and when i say "OK" the configwindow becomes smaller and than the massage comes "xserver-xorg postintsd warning: overwriting possibly-customised configurationfile; back up in ...."and under there i cna type texts...
[02:52] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: it should detect your swap and / automatically
[02:52] <kenthomson> castor, check out the script "envy" created by albert that grabs the latest nvidia driver from their site and installs it for you
[02:52] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: and mount your windows partition on /media/windows
[02:52] <WaZ> timon: strange
[02:52] <burepe> gh0st: I don't think you will get azureus running on a dsl box easily. so there goes the monitored folder. plus setting up sharing or vnc on other distros can be crazy. ubuntu just works
[02:53] <burepe> gh0st: good luck
[02:53] <WaZ> timon: what happens when you reboot?
[02:53] <burepe> gh0st: what are the specs of the comp you are using. I have never seen one that can' handle ubuntu.
[02:53] <timon> WaZ: what is the code for reebot?
[02:54] <WaZ> timon: sudo reboot
[02:54] <castor> kenthomson: allright i'll try that out right away
[02:54] <olaf-t-hunter> linux is pretty bloody cool
[02:54] <olaf-t-hunter> it only took me 3 days to get it setup how i wanted :)
[02:54] <WaZ> olaf-t-hunter: the setup time will shrinken after a while ;-)
[02:55] <gh0st> burepe: hey, DSL is debian based
[02:55] <olaf-t-hunter> yeah, took me 3 hours to setup php the first time on windows, 10 mins the second
[02:55] <burepe> gh0st: still. debian is hard to use even
[02:55] <WaZ> olaf-t-hunter: well it will be the same on linux
[02:55] <burepe> goodluck
[02:55] <gh0st> burepe: thanks
[02:55] <olaf-t-hunter> yeah im hoping :) was a lot more fun on linux
[02:55] <kenthomson> Help; kernel question; right now i am downloading and installing linux-i386 kernel for installation on my U.6.10 instead of the generic x_86 as i am told it offers better speed for my PC (AMD 2600XP+). Now the point is i have set it to download in synaptic, will after installing it magically work after rebooting my computer? Or will it cause problems with nvidia drivers which depend on some linux-kernel-headers (or whatever that thing is called)? Do i
[02:55] <kenthomson>  need to do anything else? Or will everything work after reboot? I have seen inhumanely complex sites talking about linux kernel, but as of now i don't know how to do it, and i am downloading it through synaptic. PLease help.
[02:56] <WaZ> olaf-t-hunter: you should install beryl ;-)
[02:56] <erUSUL> !generic | kenthomson
[02:56] <ubotu> kenthomson: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[02:56] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: What is it you're trying to do? I've seen loads of evangelism but hardly any technical details? :p
[02:57] <erUSUL> kenthomson: read this email and you will see that the one you are dling is not going to give you any more speed
[02:57] <timon> @ WaZ: it doesnt reboot...it sais i should keep the Cd or close ist and press enter...but it doesnt work when i press ist
[02:57] <burepe> gh0st: thanks for that. You should tell him how to set up a download box in dsl
[02:57] <burepe> sorry gh0st
[02:57] <WaZ> timon: your booting a live cd?
[02:57] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple: evangelism!? hehe what i want to do:  i want to install DSL on a download-only-box which would run 24/7. 2 Questions: how can i access the desktop and CONTROL the programs (VNC, but what exactly, which client, etc...) 2.) I want to make a "shared" folder on the DL-Box, accessible both from Linux (Ubuntu) and Windows, and in a LAN. The best would a good secured way :-)
[02:57] <burepe> IntuitiveNipple: : thanks for that. You should tell him how to set up a download box in dsl
[02:57] <ikonia_> gh0st join DSL support - this is but ubuntu
[02:58] <ikonia_> this is for ubuntu
[02:58] <timon> @WaZ: the desktop cd for amd64cpus...
[02:58] <bauer77> where do I need to mount a hard drive for it to show up under computer?
[02:58] <ikonia_> yes
[02:58] <ikonia_> bauer77 yes
[02:58] <ikonia_> bauer77 if you want to access it
[02:58] <bauer77> ikonia where do I mount it to is what I am asking
[02:59] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: Do you *need* a graphical desktop - you could just use SSH. If you do want a graphical desktop then the VNC server package installed on DSL, and VNC client on your 'local' PC
[02:59] <WaZ> timon: oh ok, I thought you had ubuntu installed, what graphics card do you have?
[02:59] <jrib> bauer77: /media/FOOBAR
[02:59] <ikonia_> bauer77 mount it where you want -its your choice
[02:59] <bauer77> I am FOOBAR but thanks jrib
[02:59] <timon> WaZ: ati x800gto...@ the XServer-configuration he found it automaticly...
[02:59] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple: if i didn't need a desktop access, could i do everything (like also starting programs) with SSH?
[03:00] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: To share stuff - install Samba on the DSL box, create the share (use the samba docs for examples) so its available to your network
[03:00] <ikonia_> gh0st yes, but that fact that your asking all this suggests you won't have the skills to admin / setup the box
[03:00] <burepe> exactly
[03:00] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: Yes, and a  LOT quicker, too. All the programs on your DSL box will be 'server' type applications I'd guess?
[03:00] <ikonia_> gh0st for dsl suport - join the dsl support mail lists/irc channel
[03:00] <gh0st> ikonia_:that doesn't mean i never could
[03:00] <burepe> which is why I love UBUNTU
[03:00] <ikonia_> gh0st I didn't say you wouldn't be able to ever - I'm just warning you of this in advance
[03:01] <WaZ> timon: what version of ubuntu are you trying timon?
[03:01] <burepe> word
[03:01] <timon> WaZ: 6.10 64bit ver
[03:01] <IntuitiveNipple> From Ubtuntu you can use XTerm to start an ssh session to the DSL server, or, if DSL is running a desktop, use VNC viewer from Ubuntu
[03:02] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple: thanks for your REAL help. but i need the the graphical interface, but a MINIMAL one, so i probably need VNC. which VNC server app would you recommend?
[03:02] <Vilhelms> For some reason, when I run Gnome in Xgl none of my keyboard shortcuts (Such as Alt+F2) do not work. They work if I run in the default gnome session. Here is my Xgl session script: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6709/plain/. Does anyone have any idea why this would happen?
[03:02] <WaZ> timon, you need to use the radeon driver instead of ati
[03:02] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: I'd recommend *not* installing a desktop on the DSL box if you only want to remote-control it - you *could* install Webmin (a web-server-based administrator) on it to make controlling it easier
[03:02] <ikonia_> gh0st vnc is not a desktop system - so it doesn't effect how fat or small your desktop is
[03:02] <DBFT> if i put a FAT formatted SD card in my linux pc
[03:02] <DBFT> what would the path look like?
[03:03] <timon> WaZ: how can i install the driver and where i can found it?
[03:03] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple: unfortunately i need one (some programs like azureus need one)
[03:03] <tanim> hi, to what package is gnome-theme-manager attached?
[03:03] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: VNC is VNC... there are several 'flavours' but they are all essentially the same. Find the one for DSL and install the .deb, you will be able to connect to that from Ubuntu's VNC viewer
[03:03] <WaZ> timon: you have to change your /etc/X11/worg.conf file
[03:03] <WaZ> xorg.conf
[03:03] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: You can run azurus 'headless'
[03:03] <Arcad3> how can i login as diferent user from console,i'm tired using ssh
[03:03] <WaZ> and replace "ati" with "radeon" in device
[03:03] <royel> gh0st: use torrentflux instead of azureas, it's a webdriven torrent service.
[03:04] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple: really? would you mind telling me how. because i can also control Azureus via Web UI (plugin)
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: See this wiki: http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/ConsoleUI
[03:04] <ikonia_> gh0st there are guides in the ubuntu wiki and forums to help you - search them a bit
[03:04] <timon> WaZ: how can i go in the Device? what is the code for that?
[03:04] <WaZ> timon: alternatively, you could use the 32bit version of 6.10
[03:04] <WaZ> do you know how to use vi timon?
[03:04] <doojin> I'm now on ubuntu
[03:04] <Arcad3> how can i login as another user in console?
[03:04] <royel> royel: vnc is not the answer your looking for, it does NOT create a desktop environment, it simply allows you to connect to one that already EXISTS
[03:05] <doojin> I feel peace
[03:05] <royel> err
[03:05] <ikonia_> Arcad3 su (switch user)
[03:05] <timon> I only know the BIOS for windiws but jnot for Ubuntu
[03:05] <ikonia_> su $user
[03:05] <royel> ghost: vnc is not the answer your looking for, it does NOT create a desktop environment, it simply allows you to connect to one that already EXISTS
[03:05] <Arcad3> :D thanks
[03:05] <ikonia_> timon the bios is nothing to do with windows or ubuntu
[03:05] <Vilhelms> For some reason, when I run Gnome in Xgl none of my keyboard shortcuts (Such as Alt+F2) do not work. They work if I run in the default gnome session. Here is my Xgl session script: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6709/plain/. Does anyone have any idea why this would happen?
[03:05] <doojin> royel : It's less
[03:05] <kenthomson> People please don't mind my not-answering i have got a kernel question above, please read it and post your answer, i am currently experiencing a lag of over 35 seconds.
[03:05] <doojin> royel : vnc just transmits images
[03:05] <royel> doojin: sorry?
[03:05] <TomPurnell> Vilhelms: surely none of your shortcuts not working is good?
[03:05] <ikonia_> kenthomson whats the question
[03:06] <WaZ> timon: it has nothing to do with your BIOS, I suggest you try the 32 bit version of ubuntu
[03:06] <timon> How can i go to the Device? I dont know that ^^
[03:06] <Vilhelms> TomPurnell, Good? Not so much good, I'd like them to work again :(
[03:06] <timon> Ok i used the 32biut ver
[03:06] <doojin> I just doubled the size of linux partition
[03:06] <WaZ> timon: you have to go into /etc/X11/xorg.conf (which is a configuration file)
[03:06] <TomPurnell> Vilhelms: oh. the double negative was unintentional then
[03:07] <Vilhelms> TomPurnell, Oh lol
[03:07] <Orfeous> hmm..
[03:07] <WaZ> timon: in your device section, you should changre the line: 	Driver      "ati"  to 	Driver      "radeon"
[03:07] <Orfeous> my console and KDE fonts looks really nasty on my LCD monitor.
[03:07] <Orfeous> what to install?
[03:07] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple: you rock. you told me everything i needed to know. so i will install DSL on the dl-box, install all needed programs (without GUI) and configure everything (+shared folder with SMB), and reboot in text-only mode, start the programs, and control the pc via my ubuntu box and SSH (although this might get complicated...). but basically, it's that,?
[03:08] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: There's always pitfalls along the way, but remember, Google is your friend :p
[03:08] <royel> kenthomson: if I'm not mistaking, you will have an additional boot option in Grub, you can press ESC at boot time to see the Grub Menu.
[03:08] <ikonia_> kenthomson I'm waiting to see your question
[03:09] <burepe> ikonia_ do you know ubuntu's minium requrements?
[03:09] <royel> ikonia_: he asked it several pages above
[03:09] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: Controlling programs is *usually* a case of doing a variation of "sudo /etc/init.d/<program> start | stop | restart
[03:09] <unop> http://google.com/linux would be a better friend
[03:09] <ikonia_> royel I can't see it
[03:09] <krantix> hi! is there an easy way to install MYSQL GUI tools on ubuntu? is there a repository somewhere?
[03:09] <ikonia_> burepe I think the realistic requirments are P3 700 256 ram
[03:09] <WaZ> krantix: try phpmyadmin
[03:09] <ikonia_> krantix apt-get install mysql-admin
[03:09] <TeePOG> erm, doesn't VNC launch a separate X session?
[03:09] <cntb> anyone familiar with scribus DTP ?
[03:10] <TeePOG> I know it just connects to the existing one in Windows
[03:10] <TeePOG> but in *nix it's different
[03:10] <burepe> ikonia ghost says that his box can't handle ubuntu but he never said the specs. I feel like he is gonna get really lost on that trip
[03:10] <WaZ> TeePOG: yeah i think it does
[03:10] <ikonia_> burepe he didn't really understand what he was saying, so I suspect your right
[03:10] <krantix> ikonia, WaZ, thanks but i need the mysql migration tool to convert all my access databases to mysql... it's not included in the mysql admin ... :-(
[03:11] <ikonia_> krantix if its not in the repo - its not there
[03:11] <burepe> ikonia_ whe all have to go there some time though I guess
[03:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Good grief, guys, let up on the guy! He's willing to explore and LEARN... encourage him!
[03:11] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple: although if i controlled everything with VNC, it could work 'out-of-the-box'. but as i have fortunately some free time, why not learn these (useful?) things?. do you think it would need significantly more resources (POWER) to run a gui + VNC than only
[03:11] <WaZ> krantix: there are migration tools under windows
[03:11] <burepe> step by step
[03:11] <Hasrat_USA> Waz hey waz i got a question. in one of those screenshots, did you see the word boot next to sda2? what would happen if i delete the first partition, which is called sda1?
[03:11] <gh0st> *text-mode
[03:11] <krantix> WaZ, please no more windows for me :-)))) ikonia, i will try to compile from source...
[03:11] <burepe> gh0st: what are your specs
[03:11] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: just a sec
[03:12] <royel> gh0st: yes Ghost, it will require more "resources"
[03:12] <ikonia_> krantix there is a deb package on the mysql dowload pages
[03:12] <Hasrat_USA> http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1807/screenshot4hp4.th.png
[03:12] <burepe> gh0st: even if you use ubunutu you can still do exactly what he is talking about. we were just trying to give you advice from experience
[03:12] <krantix> ikonia_ i've just found redhat, suse and fedora...
[03:12] <josh_> im having a problem with an external hard drive, when I start up ubuntu it says "There are differences between boot sector and backup".
[03:12] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: GUI's generally eat up a *lot* more RAM so if you manage the box infrequently its a waste... but remember what I said, investigate "Webmin" for remote -web-based admin too... that is a good solution, I use it to manage PCs remotely, its not pretty but it works and it covers all the major programs and options
[03:12] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: don't touch sda2, its your windows partition
[03:13] <brainly-green> why doesn't tar -t <archivename> do what I want?
[03:13] <brainly-green> it expects more input
[03:13] <Hasrat_USA> oh sorry i'm talking about sda1 actually
[03:13] <Hasrat_USA> yeah the word boot appears in sda2, not sda1
[03:13] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: im not sure what sda1 is
[03:13] <brainly-green> I want to list the contents of an archive
[03:13] <Hasrat_USA> sda1 is only like 54 MB. dell put some s*** on it
[03:13] <dyrne> brainly-green: its a tar.gz mayybe
[03:13] <Hasrat_USA> okay
[03:13] <Hasrat_USA> thanks
[03:13] <brainly-green> only it's not
[03:13] <brainly-green> it's an ordinary tar
[03:13] <WaZ> Hasrat_USA: don't touch it, you never know
[03:13] <josh_> how can I fix that?
[03:14] <Bubble> brainly-green: Did you read the manual ?
[03:14] <brainly-green> yes I read the relevant sections
[03:15] <doojin> How do I change usplash theme?
[03:15] <doojin> It is too difficult
[03:15] <ikonia_> doojin there is documents on the wiki on this
[03:15] <darkstar> Is there an Opera for ubuntu pacjage available anywhere?
[03:16] <ikonia_> doojin if its too dificult - you can't do it
[03:16] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple:  just googling the webmin thing. very interesting, thanks for the hint. but i need to know sth. will it consume more power when running a gui + vnc?
[03:16] <IntuitiveNipple> dark_light: Yes, its in the commercail side I believe
[03:16] <WaZ> doojin: its basically just changing somehting in configuration editor
[03:16] <ikonia_> gh0st its a web service
[03:16] <burepe> darkstar: go to this link and add the opera repo
[03:16] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: Power as in watts?
[03:16] <WaZ> doojin: quite easy
[03:16] <burepe> !sources
[03:16] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[03:16] <dyrne> brainly-green: dont ask me why but tar tf test.tar works
[03:16] <royel> brainly-green: try tar -tvf <name>
[03:17] <burepe> darkstar: sorry. this one
[03:17] <brainly-green> no I got it working, what I was nto doing was using an f flag
[03:17] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple:  yes, power consumption, electricity bill :-)
[03:17] <burepe> !easysources
[03:17] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:17] <darkstar> burepe, which link?
[03:17] <burepe> source o matic
[03:17] <ikonia_> gh0st that depends on how much proccessing it does
[03:17] <ikonia_> gh0st with respect it sounds like your way out of your league
[03:17] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: lol - it'd be hard to notice that! the thing that draws the current is the CPUs running at close to 100%, and to some extent, constant disk writes
[03:18] <ikonia_> gh0st try playing with ubuntu just to get a handle on it before trying this sort of stuff
[03:18] <josh_> can anyone help me?
[03:18] <ikonia_> josh_ you have to ask a question first
[03:18] <gh0st> ikonia_: please, if you have nothing contructive to say... you know what i mean
[03:18] <royel> !anyone | josh_
[03:18] <ubotu> josh_: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:18] <darkstar> burepe, sorry should I follow the link or add it to my apt/sources...
[03:18] <ikonia_> gh0st I am being constructive
[03:18] <doojin> just tell me
[03:18] <gh0st>  - not
[03:18] <doojin> WaZ : tell me
[03:19] <ikonia_> gh0st I'm advising you to just install ubuntu and get a feel for it first, then you may find this sort of conversation easier
[03:19] <doojin> WaZ : there is no configuration editor
[03:19] <ikonia_> thats being constructive
[03:19] <WaZ> doojin: you have to download a new splash.png , then change something in the configurator editor (asuming you run gnome)
[03:19] <josh_> does anyone know how to fix a drive that has differences between boot sector and backup?
[03:19] <ikonia_> josh_ explain
[03:19] <ikonia_> josh_ your question makes no sense
[03:19] <doojin> WaZ : If I have a complete theme?
[03:19] <gh0st> ikonia_: IntuitiveNipple was, not you. he gave me brief idea of the possiblites., wich i can THEN explore more. you?
[03:20] <IntuitiveNipple> josh_: Use "dd" to write changed sectors, maybe?
[03:20] <Roey> IntuitiveNipple:  hahahah nice nick
[03:20] <WaZ> doojin: you mean the login window?
[03:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Roey:  :p
[03:20] <doojin> WaZ : no
[03:20] <WaZ> doojin: you run gnome or kde?
[03:20] <doojin> WaZ : Usplash is bootsplash
[03:20] <ikonia_> gh0st I gave you information, that advised you to get a grasp on ubuntu before trying it as you sound like you'll struggle
[03:20] <doojin> It hides the boot process and shows a graphical start
[03:20] <burepe> gh0st: let it be. He always helps everyone here and he knows what he is talking about. I helped you too. and we are saying the same thing
[03:20] <WaZ> doojin: oh my bad
[03:20] <darkstar> burepe, should I get the rebuilt list and replace the original sources.list or just add the lines to the existing ones?
[03:20] <WaZ> read splash, dunno about bootsplash
[03:21] <doojin> ikonia_ : the documents on usplash doesn't work
[03:21] <josh_> I have an external hd /dev/sdc1 and on boot up it says "There are differences between boot sector and its backup. Not Fixing"
[03:21] <ikonia_> doojin they do
[03:21] <jussi01> Hei all: Inhave a panel that auto hides, how do I make it reappear quicker? I was told in gconf-editor but I have no idea where? help?
[03:21] <ikonia_> josh_ are you sure thats the exact message
[03:21] <doojin> ikonia_ : did you do it yourself?
[03:21] <gh0st> ikonia_, burepe: don't you agree that doing challenges will even help me more advancing?
[03:21] <burepe> darkstar: add the one if you want or do the whole thing. The whole thing can't hurt
[03:21] <ikonia_> gh0st no as your missing the real basics
[03:21] <ikonia_> doojin yup
[03:21] <IntuitiveNipple> josh_: what file-system type is on sdc1 ?
[03:21] <josh_> then it give the bytes I think
[03:21] <darkstar> burepe, thanks. I'll be right back ;)
[03:21] <josh_> fat or fat 32 I think
[03:21] <doojin> ikonia_ : but That's about just changing a background image
[03:21] <ikonia_> josh_ can you get the exact error message as that doesn't sound right
[03:22] <burepe> gh0st: linux has made me cry in the past. I have been there so I am trying to give you steps to the top of the mountian instead of just a rope
[03:22] <doojin> ikonia_ : it is not about changing a complete theme
[03:22] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: I recommend diving in at the deep end and learn how to swim that way :)
[03:22] <josh_> dmesg to get it?
[03:22] <jussi01> anyone?
[03:22] <dyrne> josh_: you can sudo update-rc.d -f checkfs.sh remove   or   sudo fsck -V -r /dev/hda2 where hda2 changes to whatever partition
[03:22] <ikonia_> doojin to change the theme you need to re-create the initrd
[03:22] <doojin> ikonia_ : that is not in the manual
[03:22] <burepe> there are 2 ways to skin a cat. I guess that is the moral of this story
[03:22] <gh0st> ntuitiveNipple: that's what i'll do now :-=
[03:22] <ikonia_> doojin search the wiki- thats where I found the info
[03:23] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: I've been doing that for 20+ years - its where all the fun's at :)
[03:23] <dyrne> josh_: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189472
[03:23] <ikonia_> IntuitiveNipple that is true it is where the funs at, but some people while just drown
[03:23] <gh0st> IntuitiveNipple: agree; what would life be without challenges?
[03:23] <LycanNyc-work> !kicker
[03:23] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[03:23] <ikonia_> gh0st then get on with it
[03:23] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: Boring!
[03:23] <TomPurnell> !upstart
[03:23] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[03:23] <ikonia_> instead of asking questions like "will it use more power"
[03:24] <jussi01> Can some one help me with settings for autohiding the panel in gconf-editor?
[03:24] <TomPurnell> !offtopic | ikonia_
[03:24] <ubotu> ikonia_: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[03:24] <ikonia_> TomPurnell what was that for ?
[03:24] <gh0st> ikonia_: a 24/7 pc 's goal is to be: silent, power-efficient, cheap.
[03:24] <ikonia_> TomPurnell I know what off topic is for
[03:24] <josh_> thanks for the info, ill read those posts and see where I get
[03:24] <IntuitiveNipple> gh0st: Remember... The only intuitive interface is the nipple; all the rest is learned :p
[03:24] <TomPurnell> you bickering with gh0st about his uselessness
[03:25] <ikonia_> TomPurnellI wasn't at all, I told him to get on with it
[03:25] <Keneo> how can I know wich ubuntu I'm running?
[03:25] <ikonia_> he's not useless, just starting out
[03:25] <doojin> ikonia_ : That's too hard
[03:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Keneo: lsb_release, I think
[03:25] <ikonia_> doojin what's too hard
[03:25] <doojin> ikonia_ : learning about initrd
[03:25] <jeroenvrp> question 1: the lost+found directories: how to make those directories hidden?!
[03:25] <jrib> !version | Keneo
[03:25] <ubotu> Keneo: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[03:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Keneo: hmm, maybe not :p
[03:25] <WaZ> doojin: why do you want to change your bootsplash?
[03:25] <ikonia_> doojin then you can't change the theme
[03:26] <jussi01> so no-one can help?
[03:26] <doojin> WaZ : The current usplash theme sucks
[03:26] <doojin> Ubuntu maintainer must have made a mistake
[03:26] <Keneo> how do I see if this is the 64bit version or not jrib ?
[03:26] <ikonia_> doojin I'm afraid your stuck with it
[03:26] <WaZ> doojin: you can always go the verbose way ;-)
[03:26] <ikonia_> Keneo uname -a - and look at the arch (i386 or x86_64
[03:26] <IntuitiveNipple> How much time are you going to spend watching usplash!?
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> Let's put it another way: how to say to ext3 which lost+found directorues to use!?
[03:26] <Keneo> it's generic
[03:26] <Keneo> ow
[03:27] <ikonia_> jeroenvrp each file system will have a lost and found
[03:27] <Keneo> i686
[03:27] <Keneo> thx :)
[03:27] <doojin> Do you guys know how to install fbsplash?
[03:27] <WaZ> nope
[03:27] <ikonia_> doojin apt-get install fbflash
[03:27] <jeroenvrp> ikonia_: yes I know, but I like to change the directory to .lost+found
[03:27] <doojin> I'm afraid that fbsplash asks too much dependency
[03:27] <ikonia_> doojin but even then you'll need to change the initrd
[03:27] <Keneo> I just thought It might have been in: about ubuntu in the system menu :p
[03:28] <ikonia_> jeroenvrp can't be done unless you want to re-write the file system
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> ikonia_: are you sure?>
[03:28] <ikonia_> doojin you can't use fbsplash
[03:28] <doojin> ikonia_ : fbsplash package is not in ubuntu 6.10
[03:28] <ikonia_> jeroenvrp %99.99
[03:28] <Keneo> in most programs you can see the version number in the about menu, but not in ubuntu :p
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> mmm, thats a shame
[03:28] <Keneo> I mean, not in about ubuntu
[03:28] <Brismetal> does anyone know if Cadega (I know it's not got much to do with Ubuntu) has a command line interface also?  When I goto play a game I click play but nothing happens, would be good to get some feedback from the command line to see what's going on
[03:28] <ikonia_> doojin you can't use it, but it doesn't matter any way as you'd need to change initrd still
[03:28] <IdleOne> !eyecandy | doojin
[03:28] <ubotu> doojin: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:29] <doojin> ikonia_ : how do you know?
[03:29] <ikonia_> doojin because I've used fbflash
[03:29] <ikonia_> fbsplash
[03:29] <doojin> ikonia_ : used under what circumstance?
[03:29] <ikonia_> it stores the image in the initrd - thats how it can see if before it boots
[03:29] <IdleOne> !info fbsplash
[03:29] <ubotu> Package fbsplash does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[03:29] <Brismetal> never mind, I found it
[03:30] <doojin> Grub has a terrific background support
[03:30] <nfspeed99> is the only way to run a program from the root user with the terminal thing?
[03:30] <ikonia_> doojin yes, so ?
[03:30] <doojin> I wish usplash have a terrific background support somday
[03:30] <WaZ> nfspeed99: sudo 'program'
[03:30] <doojin> *someday
[03:30] <ikonia_> doojin it does
[03:31] <nfspeed99> but that sudo is only with terminal?
[03:31] <doojin> ikonia_ : I mean the convenience
[03:31] <ikonia_> doojin it does
[03:31] <WaZ> nfspeed99: im not sure what you mean?
[03:31] <doojin> ikonia_ : usplash has a convenient background support?
[03:31] <ikonia_> yes
[03:31] <nfspeed99> i had to type sudo and the name of the file
[03:31] <nfspeed99> in terminal
[03:31] <doojin> ikonia_ : I can not believe it
[03:31] <WaZ> nfspeed99: yes
[03:31] <ikonia_> doojin then don't
[03:31] <LycanNyc-work> !kicker
[03:31] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[03:31] <nfspeed99> is there another way of soing it?
[03:31] <doojin> ikonia_ : what is the reason?
[03:31] <nfspeed99> doing
[03:32] <WaZ> nfspeed99: sudo su
[03:32] <WaZ> nfspeed99: then your logged in as root
[03:32] <ikonia_> doojin the reason for what ?
[03:32] <WaZ> in your terminal
[03:32] <doojin> ikonia_ : the reason why you think it is easy
[03:32] <ikonia_> doojin because it is
[03:32] <IntuitiveNipple> nfspeed99: You can run gnome apps as root using "gksudo <program>" from menu shortcuts, as well as the command line
[03:33] <doojin> ikonia_ : With grub, I can change the background just by changing the link.
[03:33] <KrAsHeR> hey... anyone know why when i try to see a video in divx with subtitles i get errors... without the subtitles the video runs smoothly
[03:33] <nfspeed99> ok thanks
[03:33] <doojin> ikonia_ : with usplash, I have to read the wiki
[03:33] <ikonia_> doojin so - thats a different application, for a different purpose
[03:33] <WaZ> oh thats what he meant :D
[03:33] <ikonia_> doojin bottom line is - you can't use it, so your stuck with what you have
[03:35] <IdleOne> doojin, you want to change the usplash?
[03:35] <doojin> IdleOne : sure
[03:35] <IdleOne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[03:35] <doojin> IdleOne : I got a complete theme, but I don't know how to apply it
[03:35] <IdleOne> there ^^^
[03:36] <doojin> IdleOne : That's not for changing a complete theme
[03:36] <slyfox> How to I make Ubuntu remember my Laptop Screen brightness settings? Everytime I login it sets the brightness back to maximum ?
[03:38] <valehru> I'm trying to install bugzilla, but I keep getting an error when I try and do it from apt.  Anyone have a clue what I can do?
[03:38] <doojin> ikonia_ : why you can't install fbsplash on ubuntu?
[03:39] <nfspeed99> /j #ubuntu-co
[03:39] <nfspeed99> oops
[03:40] <royel> doojin: try using Gconf Editor, expand, Apps >gnome-session >options, you should see a section for splash image.
[03:40] <vcrobe> Can somebody send me the link to download the source files of Unbuntu?
[03:41] <valehru> vcrobe, source files of ubuntu?
[03:41] <doojin> royel : how did you find that?
[03:41] <vcrobe> valehru yes
[03:41] <predaeus> valehru: what is the error message?
[03:41] <dyrne> vcrobe: you can apt-get source packagename
[03:41] <royel> doojin: I dont remember exactly :)
[03:41] <doojin> royel : That's for gnome splash, not for usplash
[03:42] <valehru> predaeus, I'm going to install it manually not via apt.....I've removed it from apt now....thx anyhow
[03:42] <Eposhark> Hm, munin server is outputting info about the server, but a client I want to add doesn't output anything
[03:42] <predaeus> valehru: sure
[03:42] <dyrne> vcrobe: or i guess just grab it from the url in your src repos in sources.list
[03:42] <Eposhark> http://epohax.dyndns.info/munin/index.html > what could be wrong?
[03:42] <Eposhark> I don't understand what option I didn't fill in correctly, anyone experience with munin?
[03:42] <royel> doojin: hmm, I dont use usplash.. you might find it in there somewhere if you browse a bit
[03:42] <vcrobe> dyrne For example, in FreeBSD they have a CGI where you can select the files you want to download
[03:43] <vcrobe> dyrne I'm newbie here
[03:43] <slippyr4> woohoo! pvmove is actually working in dapper drake
[03:43] <Eposhark> Lannie is the server, storm the client
[03:43] <nfx> hi, i need to merge 2 partitions without having to reformat. how can i do this?
[03:44] <KrAsHeR> this is just weird... when i try to watch a divx movie with subtitles on Toten... i get a error... if a
[03:44] <dyrne> vcrobe: ive not really used synaptic but you could search for the source in there and just check what you want download id think.
[03:44] <IntuitiveNipple> nfx - use a mount point
[03:44] <dyrne> vcrobe: not sure about that one sec
[03:44] <KrAsHeR> if i open the subtitles file in a gedit window, the video reproduction works without problem
[03:44] <nfx> IntuitiveNipple: what do you mean?
[03:44] <dyrne> vcrobe: what are you wanting to do just build some stuff from source?
[03:45] <vcrobe> dyrne I need to see some Kernel's files but I don't know the names
[03:45] <dyrne> vcrobe: ah
[03:45] <vcrobe> dyrne no, I'm doing a compiler
[03:45] <krantix> i'm trying to compile MYSQL GUI TOOLS on ubuntu... when i run make and make install which directory should i provide for the installation?
[03:46] <vcrobe> dyrne And I need to know some things specifics of the Linux Kernel
[03:46] <vcrobe> dyrne And I'm working with Ubuntu
[03:46] <predaeus> KrAsHeR: *g* weird. did u try the vlc player?
[03:47] <dyrne> vcrobe: you should i think just need to download kernel-source package
[03:47] <royel> doojin: have you read this page yet? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[03:47] <krantix> where is the best place to untar a file before making a ./configure, make and make install? thanks!
[03:47] <vcrobe> dyrne Maybe, but FreeBSD let you choose wich file you want to download
[03:48] <conidu14> slut tout le monde !!
[03:48] <conidu14> ya des franais ici ?
[03:48] <vcrobe> dyrne I guess that Unbutu has something like that
[03:48] <royel> !fr | conidu14
[03:48] <ubotu> conidu14: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:48] <novastorm_> Hi, a little question i want to remove openoffice.org from ubuntu desktop but it also want to delete ubuntu-desktop.. what files does that package contain?
[03:48] <jrib> !ubuntu-desktop | novastorm_
[03:48] <ubotu> novastorm_: k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[03:49] <slippyr4> novastorm: nothing - it's a meta package
[03:49] <doojin> royel : I'm reading it
[03:49] <novastorm_> ah ok ty :]
[03:49] <royel> doojin: I think that might be enough to help you do what it is you trying to do :)
[03:49] <amir_> how can i add this module? No module named minigl
[03:50] <conidu14> ya des franais ici ?
[03:50] <royel> !fr | conidu14
[03:50] <ubotu> conidu14: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:50] <josh_> just did fsck -V -r /dev/sdc1 with option 1 as the post described and I still get "There are differences between bootsector and its backup"
[03:50] <novastorm_> and the upgrade is that like (apt-get upgrade) or the dist-upgrade ?
[03:50] <jeroenvrp> question 2: is ext4 ready for primetime in Feisty?!
[03:50] <Wanderer> hmm, if a machine is running an intel core2 Duo, it shold be running amd64, not i386 right?
[03:50] <[DM-S] frieksk> did you guys ever realised the support crap?
[03:51] <Toma-> jeroenvrp: are the benefits going to out weight the incompatibility?
[03:51] <jrib> novastorm_: upgrading to a new ubuntu release
[03:51] <novastorm_> ok ty for your time :)
[03:51] <jrib> jeroenvrp: feisty questions in #ubuntu+1
[03:51] <Toma-> [DM-S] frieksk: only with cheap underwear
[03:51] <jeroenvrp> Toma-: I thought it was compatible with ext3
[03:51] <jeroenvrp> jrib: ok
[03:51] <Toma-> jeroenvrp: probably :)
[03:52] <[DM-S] frieksk> Toma-: to get your wifi going: download this download that
[03:52] <Toma-> [DM-S] frieksk: thats more of an issue with your wireless card manufactirer
[03:52] <[DM-S] frieksk> hey, wait a minute, isn't it the internet i try to get working on that computer?
[03:52] <[DM-S] frieksk> owke
[03:52] <Erealz> hey why are torrent file so slow dling on ubuntu
[03:53] <[DM-S] frieksk> take wine than
[03:53] <Erealz> sup with that?
[03:53] <Wanderer> anyone?
[03:53] <Toma-> [DM-S] frieksk: some wireless card makers actually SUPPORT linux. they have packages ready for install and work super out of the box
[03:54] <[DM-S] frieksk> owke
[03:54] <[DM-S] frieksk> i have a card
[03:54] <[DM-S] frieksk> works out of the box
[03:54] <[DM-S] frieksk> untill you try it
[03:54] <Toma-> keep it all in 1 line. makes it easier to read :)
[03:54] <[DM-S] frieksk> k
[03:55] <Toma-> [DM-S] frieksk: so it works, but it doesnt really work...?
[03:55] <dyrne> vcrobe: sorry boss walked by :) you can apt-cache search linux-source for a list.  there isnt really a nice directory tree to go through like freebsd.  the file itself is /var/lib/dpkg/avaialable i think. you can grep it or do the apt-cache search. same thing
[03:56] <ForgeAus> how do I run System -> Preferences -> Sessions  menu item from external to gnome?