[05:47] <NickSmolinske> hello all. years since I've fired up an IRC client, feels good to be back
[05:48] <NewGnuGuy> welcome back
[05:48] <NickSmolinske> I'm trying to get xubuntu working on a new HP laptop and . . . it's being quite interesting! random slow mouse movement followed by a freeze. no pattern detected yet but I am googling
[05:49] <NickSmolinske> interestingly, the last time it froze it took me to a grub command line upon reboot. I ended up reinstalling from the liveusb again and the liveusb did not detect the existing install at all
[05:50] <NickSmolinske> I don't think I've ever seen linux fail to reboot after a crash before. this is a first for me
[05:56] <NickSmolinske> huh. my root file system does not appear in "mount" on a fresh install
[05:56] <NickSmolinske> this just keeps getting weirder
[05:59] <NickSmolinske> never mind, it's there. I'm going to try the vm.dirty_background fix that I've found online. it seems to only crash while copying files, performing updates or other hard drive intensive activities
[06:07]  * kevin_
[06:07] <NickSmolinske> seems like that may have been it. I'm halfway through installing updates and it hasn't crashed yet. interestingly the dirty_ratio and dirty_background_ratio on my 14.04 install are set to the better values by default (5 and 10 rather than 10 and 20)
[06:08]  * cinematicme
[07:26] <NickSmolinske> well that didn't work but I decided to update the kernel and do a couple suggested fixes all at once. might as well throw everything at it. night all
[10:51] <orschiro__> Are there any mps-youtube users here? I need some help integrating it with my media keys and the sound menu. Thank you!
[14:52] <dongyi> Hello.
[18:13] <senpos> hello, is there any easy way to install latest xfce4-terminal 0.8+ and/or xfwm4 4.13 into the xubuntu 16.04?
[18:16] <well_laid_lawn> !bbackports
[18:17] <well_laid_lawn> !backports
[18:27] <senpos> well_laid_lawn: hi there, i've enabled backports, but is there any way to see the list of packages that are available there?
[18:32] <well_laid_lawn> I don't do much with backports
[18:32] <well_laid_lawn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-backports/
[18:35] <senpos> well_laid_lawn: oh, thanks anyway. It seems like it is not that easy as i imagined to install few packages with newer versions in LTS release
[19:30] <FSFRS> Hello guys! Anyone can help me? When scroll up or down my volume mixer in Xubuntu the volume alert is duplicate
[19:30] <FSFRS> here is the pic of the problem http://i.imgur.com/oY1pH58.png


[00:00] <aquarius> might need a little tiny bit of poking in the qml to read out the folder that the qml file is installed in and pass it to the html
[00:00] <aquarius> assuming that a qml file can know its own path, otherwise (horrors) it'll need a *C++* extension, which would be rubbish.,
[00:03] <daker> hmm wired it's using the ubuntu app launcher but in the browser-app
[00:04] <daker> it works using*
[00:04] <aquarius> yeah, it won't work in browser because you're not loading from a file url then
[00:04] <aquarius> and you can't CORS file: URLs either
[00:04] <aquarius> chrome has the --let-me-load-file-urls-with-xhr switch (it's not called that, but it's called something like that) precisely for this reason :)
[00:05] <daker> but it's same engine :)
[00:05] <aquarius> yeah, it's a config switch
[00:05] <aquarius> but letting unprivileged web pages load file URLs with xhr would be a hole in the security policy the size of the Moon ;)
[00:06] <daker> maybe i should continue to look at the i18n stuff
[00:06] <aquarius> why would you be loading file URLs with the browser app anyway?
[00:06] <aquarius> if you've got files on the device, then you're a click package, at which point you can use the ubuntu-html5-app-launcher :)
[00:07] <daker> ya
[00:07] <daker> aquarius: i trying to implement an i18n mechanism
[00:07] <daker> using <link rel="prefetch" type="application/i18n" href="locales.json" />
[00:08] <aquarius> daker, yeah, there are a few of those around. Are you doing it from scratch, or using some existing js port of gettext, or does it back-end onto the qsTr stuff that Qt alrady provides?
[00:09] <daker> scratch but really simple thing
[00:09] <daker> locales.json will have something like :
[00:09] <daker> {
[00:09] <daker>   "fr":"locales/fr.json",
[00:09] <daker>   "en":"locales/en.json"
[00:09] <daker> }
[00:10] <daker> then depending on the navigator.language select the correct one
[00:10] <aquarius> ah, man, you're inventing your own storage format for translated strings?
[00:11] <aquarius> dpm will cry a million million tears if you tell him that :)
[00:11] <aquarius> there are gettext ports already -- then people get the tools to create translations :)
[00:11] <daker> https://developers.google.com/chrome/web-store/docs/i18n#details
[00:12] <daker> https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/tree/master/locales
[00:12] <aquarius> I stand corrected
[00:12] <daker> com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/tree/master/shared/locales
[00:13] <daker> https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/tree/master/shared/locales
[00:13] <aquarius> however, that Google stuff describes how to localise your app's metadata, not your actual app, unless I'm missing something?
[00:13]  * aquarius looks at the boot2gecko stuff :)
[00:13] <daker> https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/shared/js/l10n.js
[00:15] <aquarius> omg. I have to ship HTML that looks like lots of work?
[00:15] <aquarius> I suppose there isn't really a better way to do it
[00:15] <aquarius> but, ouch.
[00:15] <daker> https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/i18n
[00:15] <aquarius> I apologise for the accusation, though. This looks like the way everyone else is doing it too, yeah
[00:16] <daker> we were just brainstorming (me & Alex), so basically those were one of the method to do it
[00:17] <aquarius> I am a bit annoyed that whoever invented this invented a whole new thing which has *no* tooling rather than using gettext which has loads of tooling
[00:17] <aquarius> but, well, it's invented now.
[00:17] <daker> so i am just testing it, if you have a better idea we can discuss it :)
[00:18] <daker> i am not really sure how gettext will work
[00:19] <aquarius> This stuff totally does not document how to translate your HTML. Obviously the b2g stuff does it by looking for *[data-l10n-id] but nothing actually *says* that anywhere.
[00:19] <aquarius> If you're creating all your strings from JavaScript then you are already doing it wrong. :)
[00:20] <aquarius> need to work out a way to roundtrip the lang.json files into and out of rosetta :)
[00:22] <daker> aquarius: the b2g is only for b2g not for apps
[00:22] <aquarius> really?
[00:22] <aquarius> bah.
[00:23] <GabrieleG> it works really well now! :D
[00:24] <daker> aquarius: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Apps/Build
[00:24] <daker> the localisation section has nothing on it
[00:25] <daker> so there is no official way to do i18n in FF OS
[00:27] <daker> aquarius: http://jsgettext.berlios.de/doc/html/po2json.html hhh :)
[00:27] <aquarius> ya
[00:27] <aquarius> not the same json format, though, although it's not far off :)
[00:28] <aquarius> I was just checking the appdev FAQ for ffos to see if it even mentions translations
[00:28] <aquarius> which it does not ;)
[00:29] <daker> here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Apps/Build
[00:29] <daker> Location
[00:29] <daker> Advice for creating location-based applications.
[00:29] <daker> but nothing in it
[00:29] <aquarius> I imagine that'll be about geoloc rather than languages, though
[00:30] <aquarius> https://github.com/recurser/jquery-i18n is pretty common. jquery, of course, sigh, but the underlying idea and formats might be useful to look at
[00:31] <aquarius> (why, why, why is this a jquery plugin, why)
[00:34] <daker> the issue is how to do translation for the HTML
[00:36] <aquarius> yeah
[00:36] <aquarius> the b2g way seems about the most sensible way
[00:36] <aquarius> I hate the idea of putting data-l10n-id on everything
[00:37] <aquarius> but I hate all the alternatives more :)
[00:37] <aquarius> I'm not at all sure about having to think up unique ids for all your translateable strings, though
[00:37] <aquarius> gettext's way of using the string *as* its ID is better, I think.
[00:38] <aquarius> so you'd just do Hello, world
[00:38] <aquarius> and then "Hello, world" would be the ID
[00:38] <aquarius> I do not know how the b2g stuff handles nested elements, though.
Hello, world

[00:39] <aquarius> Where you really want to translate "Hello, world" as a string, not as two separate independent strings.
[00:39] <aquarius> I figured that someone somewhere would have already solved all these problems, like gettext has for desktop apps :)
[01:37] <vthompson> all, anyone around that wants to create a construct/prototype for the "bottom edge" implementation seen today? From the presentation, blog post, and what I've seen from Shuttleworth on G+, it seems like Canonical may be trying to source the implementation from the community. Maybe we can get a jump start on this for the SDK team?
[01:40] <kerjava> yes we see u
[01:41] <kerjava> your welcome
[01:41] <kerjava> you have a lot of instruments ^^
[01:41] <sarnold> kerjava: are you sure you're in the right place? I see your half of the conversation but no one elses..
[01:42] <kerjava> agreed ...
[01:42] <aquarius> kerjava, I think you're watching Jono's Q&A session? The video isn't live -- that was broadcast earlier today
[01:42] <kerjava> i see
[01:42] <kerjava> the timing was uncanny lol
[01:43] <kerjava> latter all ^^
[02:32] <snapplejacks> the tabbed interface seems kind of clunky, is there a trick i'm missing or does it always require multiple gestures?
[07:09] <Guest43300> Hello, I have a problem when compiling my program. I am trying to (#include <array>), but I reciecve this error:
[07:09] <Guest43300> #error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options.  #error This file requires compiler and library support for the \   ^
[07:11] <sarnold> make sense so far..
[07:13] <DanChapman> good morning
[12:08] <sergico> hi
[12:09] <sergico> looking for help on running qt apps on ubuntu touch phone
[12:51] <funky1> hi there, i'm trying to compile a package but having some trouble telling in configure option the right path to a library, can someone have a look and help me  out? http://pastebin.com/niVaPY0D
[18:06] <PaoloRotolo> nik90, ping
[18:40] <nik90> PaoloRotolo: pong
[19:37] <FulLinuxonNexus7> Hi All!
[19:38] <FulLinuxonNexus7> Trying to get a version of Linux on my Nexus 7 2013 flo Tablet
[19:39] <FulLinuxonNexus7> Ubuntu touch is ok.. but I'm trying to find something more functional
[19:39] <FulLinuxonNexus7> seems there are solutions for the earlier nexus 7 model but none seem to be working on mine
[19:40] <FulLinuxonNexus7> Any thoughts or suggestions would be glady appreciated!
[19:40] <FulLinuxonNexus7><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:56] <FulLinuxonNexus7> Found something... http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=502
[19:56] <FulLinuxonNexus7> Kali linux on Nexus 7 2013
[19:57] <FulLinuxonNexus7> Incase anyone actually reads the chatrooms


[23:04] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:12] <rick_h_> morning huwshimi
[23:12] <rick_h_> how goes?
[23:12] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Hey, good thanks. Yourself?
[23:12] <rick_h_> heh, crashing thumpers monday so yay?
[23:13] <rick_h_> huwshimi: how goes the work on the service blocks?
[23:13] <huwshimi> rick_h_: I actually paused on that as I didn't have the brain power for it on Friday :)
[23:14] <rick_h_> huwshimi: ah ok
[23:14] <rick_h_> huwshimi: oh, missed that the name of the card changed :)
[23:14] <huwshimi> :)
[23:15] <rick_h_> huwshimi: there's another one for you when you get free with some styling help for the non-styling folks. "Style the upgrade inspector view..."
[23:15] <rick_h_> huwshimi: ok, carry on then. Just wanted to make sure you weren't blocked. I'll get back to having the rest of my sunday.
[23:16] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Yep, no problems, I'll take a look at that too.
[23:16] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Have a nice evening :)


[00:00] <TheMuso> Ask the desktop team when around.
[00:00] <TheMuso> i.e Europe hours.
[00:19] <ScottL> okay, thanks :)
[00:19] <kubotu> thanks :) how are you?
[00:21] <frewsxcv> who's the ubuntustudio lead nowadays?
[00:24] <ScottL> frewsxcv, that is me
[00:31] <ScottL> okay, thanks :)
[07:26] <astraljava> wow, that was weird.
[12:24] <ScottL> what is that astraljava?
[12:24] <ScottL> frewsxcv, did you need something?
[12:36] <astraljava> ScottL: kubotu responding to your line at the first time :)
[13:04] <ScottL> yeah, it's done that a few times over several days, and it seems like it will not repeat itself though
[13:19] <ScottL> abogani, i'm going to start testing the -lowlatency kernel this weekend
[13:19] <ScottL> i was hoping to have done it already with the ubuntustudio alpha image, but we know where that is :(
[13:19] <kubotu> anyone knows what's with the easy stuff first
[13:20] <ScottL> lol, you rock, kubotu!  keep on living in the free world
[13:21] <ScottL> abogani, so, i'm building a new box to give away and i'll play with it first, i'll install vanilla ubuntu (even an older image before unity was default perhaps)
[13:21] <ScottL> and install the necessary apps and test the kernel
[13:21] <abogani> ScottL: Ok, Thanks!
[13:24] <ScottL> abogani, once we get an image that works as expected (re: unity) i was going to email and post about the new kernel, explaining that we need testing to facilitate getting it into the archives
[16:48] <scott-work_> TheMuso:  after talking with didirock i think have found a way to set the default gdm session
[16:48] <scott-work_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/natty/annotate/head%3A/debian/postinst
[16:49] <scott-work_> i'm going to dig around some more because it looks like it might dig a script our to do it
[16:49] <scott-work_> but i'm sure i will need some assistance at some point
[18:23] <frewsxcv> ScottL: no, i was just curious
[18:32] <scott-work_> okay (this is ScottL...at work)
[20:28] <scott-work_> i've talked to didirock some more and tomorrow he is going to walk me through what he did for setting gnome as the default session
[21:14] <TheMuso> scott-work_: nice
[21:21] <scott-work_> TheMuso:  don't get too excited :)  you should know that i'm not a programmer so i'll probably still ending up needing help
[21:21] <TheMuso> heh
[21:21] <TheMuso> ok


[03:39] <nicksloan> I wrote an upstart job that runs a rails app with unicorn. I have setuid deploy in my job configuration. I'm getting an error that '~' cannot be expanded. upstart 1.12. any ideas?
[11:04] <soren> nicksloan: Check your environment. Expanding ~ requires $HOME or $USER to be set (typically). Upstart job environments are (intentionally) very clean.
[11:04] <nicksloan> soren: thanks for the response. I figured that out eventually. Had to manually set $HOME. Probably not the best idea, but it worked
[11:11] <soren> nicksloan: Nah, a system level daemon like that should probably not rely on $HOME, but you do what you have to do, right? :)
[11:24] <nicksloan> soren: exactly.


[06:32] <beuno> anyone around?
[06:33] <beuno> I have a story in the queue waiting for some lovin'
[09:46] <RoterKobold> moin moin
[11:09] <beuno> anyone around?
[11:09] <beuno> I have a story taht needs approval
[11:11] <nixternal> looking now
[11:11] <beuno> :D  thanks
[11:11] <beuno> these stories seem "old" if they don't go out within a day
[11:13] <nixternal> submitted
[11:13] <nixternal> the fridge looks like crap...I don't even like navigating to it
[11:16] <beuno> yeap it does, what happend with your proposed redesign?
[11:16] <beuno> (and thanks :D)


[02:05] <Ken47150> :)
[09:33] <kklimonda|G1> morning
[16:08] <rugby471> mpt_: hello
[16:08] <mpt_> hello rugby471
[16:09] <rugby471> mpt: did you see my mockup?
[16:09] <mpt> rugby471, I did not. Mockup of what, and where?
[16:09] <rugby471> mpt: no worries, here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Mockups
[16:10] <mpt> ah
[16:11] <mpt> hm
[16:11] <rugby471> mpt: that is my idea anyway
[16:11] <rugby471> mac_v: you should put a mockup of your idea here ^
[16:11] <mpt> I wonder if it would make a little more sense for the calendar to be above the list rather than below
[16:12] <mdc_laptop> rugby471, making the dates where changes was made bold would be great..
[16:12] <mpt> so that the two filter-y things, the calendar and the search field, are close to each other
[16:12] <rugby471> mpt: good point
[16:12] <rugby471> mdc_laptop: absolutely, this is just a first mockup though :-)
[16:13] <mdc_laptop> :-)
[16:13] <mpt> rugby471, I like the general "undo" approach
[16:13] <rugby471> mpt: if it isn't clear, the bit about the details bit is as follows
[16:14] <mpt> rugby471, though there might be other things you want to do to a package, e.g. reinstall/reconfigure it
[16:14] <rugby471> basically there would be a details menu item in the view menu, when you click it, a pop-up window appears giving you the details
[16:14] <mpt> I also wonder what happens to the calendar in a maximized window on a wide screen. :-)
[16:14] <mpt> rugby471, you mean details of the transaction that took place?
[16:15] <rugby471> mpt: maybe have the arrow icon in the normal app view so the user can look at the details page?
[16:15] <rugby471> mpt: yes
[16:15] <mpt> oh, right, now I actually read what you wrote in the mockup <:-)
[16:15] <rugby471> mpt: basically the history section would only list the events that happened
[16:15] <rugby471> mpt: ie. applicationx was installed
[16:16] <rugby471> the view details would give the user the oppourtunity the see what actually happened
[16:16] <rugby471> mpt: ie. packagex and it's dependencies were installed
[16:16] <rugby471> etc.
[16:16] <rugby471> mpt: yeah sorry about that, it isn't terribly visible :-)
[16:17] <rugby471> mpt: oh an application icon in the view wouldn't have the overlay icons btw
[16:17] <rugby471> an > and
[16:17] <rugby471> mpt: RE:widescreen it would just scale to the width of the window, however I could make it so that the calender doesn't expand
[16:20] <mpt> rugby471, by "the overlay icons" do you mean the installed checkmark?
[16:20] <rugby471> popey: hi, how is your boxee box going :-)
[16:20] <rugby471> mpt: yup
[16:20] <rugby471> mpt: I just used a screenshot from the installed items view, they shouldn't be there
[16:21] <rugby471> mpt: thinking about it the history section would also include things like dist-upgrades as well
[16:21] <mpt> rugby471, why not keep the emblem? It would be a useful extra hint as to the current state (e.g. I uninstalled this application then, but I've since reinstalled it)
[16:21] <mac_v> mpt: is the left pane essential for a history section?
[16:21] <mac_v> couldnt we use the full window
[16:21] <rugby471> mpt: sure, I see your point
[16:21] <mpt> mac_v, it's useful when you want to navigate away from it :-)
[16:22] <mac_v> mpt: we could just add a close button for that , the left pane IMO , seems not necessary for the history
[16:22]  * mpt wonders if mac_v is thinking of iTunes LP
[16:22] <mac_v> hehe ;p
[16:23] <rugby471> mpt: off-topic have you seen the new mockups for gimp 2.8 They look awesome :-) http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/09/gimp-single-mode.html
[16:23] <mpt> mac_v, I don't see that it's any less necessary for History than for any other section. Nor need it be particularly more complicated.
[16:24] <mac_v> the reason i felt not needed > was to use the space , to have a more spacious timeslider and display :)
[16:25] <rugby471> mac_v: I am sure there would be enough space PS: we really want your mockups of this idea :-)
[16:25]  * mac_v having a mild headache right now :( .... but soon ;)
[16:25] <mpt> rugby471, meh. They're trying to solve an OS-level problem at the application level, which makes sense for them, since Gimp is a cross-platform application, but it can't possibly be as good as solving it at the OS level.
[16:26] <tgpraveen> will software store eventually replace synpatic also?
[16:27] <hyperair> i don't think it would
[16:27] <mpt> tgpraveen, yes, in version 2.
[16:27] <mac_v> its is supposed to replace synaptic in 10.10
[16:27] <hyperair> =O
[16:28] <mpt> tgpraveen, though Synaptic will still be available in the repositories if you're a fan.
[16:28] <hyperair> hmmm
[16:28] <tgpraveen> hmm
[16:28] <hyperair> this means that nautilus-share will have to use software store to auto-install samba.
[16:28] <mac_v> yeah , mvo intends to maintain it
[16:28] <hyperair> which means i can no longer keep it syncable from debian.
[16:29] <mpt> hyperair, can't you just use the apt: protocol?
[16:29] <tgpraveen> softwrare store will have to progress a lot. how will we install libraries and stuff as I doubt software store should
[16:29] <hyperair> mpt: does debian have apt: installed by default?
[16:29] <tgpraveen> have libraries and all shown?
[16:29] <hyperair> mpt: apturl i mean
[16:29] <mpt> hyperair, I don't know, it's been about a decade since I ran Debian.
[16:30] <hyperair> mpt: i think it isn't.
[16:31]  * rugby471 thought the GIMP redeisgn was a great thing until mpt open his mouth
[16:31] <rugby471> opened
[16:31] <rugby471> :-)
[16:31] <rugby471> only joking :-)
[16:31] <rugby471> hyperair: software-store will display all libs etc.
[16:31] <mpt> tgpraveen, ok, please describe it specifically in the "Unresolved issues" section of the SoftwareStore spec. (E.g. "When you click on _____, nautilus-share uses ______ to request that synaptic install samba. The Store needs to provide an equivalent mechanism.")
[16:31] <rugby471> hyperair: however we might use an advanced view etc.
[16:31] <rugby471> hyperair: don't worry I am sure mpt has an ace up his sleeve :-)
[16:32] <hyperair> ...is it me or have both of you suddenly confused me with tgpraveen?
[16:32] <rugby471> tgpraveen, mpt: I think using apt-url would be a lot easier
[16:32] <rugby471> hyperair: probably :-)
[16:32] <hyperair> i'm the one concerned about nautilus-share autoinstalling samba, and tgpraveen is the one concerned about installing libs..
[16:32] <mpt> hyperair, sorry, yes. :-)
[16:32]  * hyperair sighs
[16:32] <rugby471> I read over the conversation in 5 secs, maybe I should have taken more time :-)
[16:33] <rugby471> hyperair: now I am confused :-)
[16:33]  * mpt investigates how to color-code people in XChat to avoid this problem
[16:33] <hyperair> mpt: anyway, nautilus-share just execs gksudo synaptic something somethin
[16:33] <hyperair> g
[16:33] <rugby471> hyperair: apt-url samba
[16:33] <rugby471> hyperair: that would be a lot eaier
[16:33] <hyperair> hmm should i make nautilus-share depend on apturl then?
[16:34]  * tgpraveen decides to wait until hyperair 's issue is cleared
[16:34] <rugby471> hyperair: it would be a lot better implementation
[16:34] <hyperair> hmm
[16:34] <hyperair> indeed.
[16:34] <mpt> hyperair, the PackageKit protocol might be the right answer to that too, though again that might have Debian-syncing problems.
[16:34]  * hyperair groans
[16:34]  * rugby471 laughs
[16:34] <mpt> hyperair, we can discuss it at UDS Lucid. :-)
[16:34] <rugby471> mpt: is it actually lucid?
[16:35] <rugby471> mpt: I heard rumours it was a rumour :-)
[16:35] <hyperair> mpt: UDS is so far away. in distance i mean.
[16:35] <mpt> Yes, Lucid Lynx, announced yesterday
[16:35] <rugby471> see you for 30 mins
[16:36] <tgpraveen> mpt:  so how will installing libraries be dealt?
[16:36] <mpt> ha!
[16:37] <mpt> When I Web search for "Lucid Lynx" I get a bunch of audio shop sites, apparently because "Lucid" and "Lynx" are two audio brands adjacent to each other in alphabetical listings
[16:38] <mpt> e.g. http://performanceaudio.com/
[16:39] <mpt> hyperair, we'll have teleconferencing as usual, and Gobby, and mailing lists and wikis. We do try.
[16:39] <hyperair> teleconferencing eh
[16:39] <hyperair> that's interesting
[16:39] <hyperair> i never knew there was such a thing
[16:39] <hyperair> i thought it was just live recordings
[16:40] <mpt> I forget exactly what it's called -- Icecast? something like that
[16:40] <hyperair> i think it was that
[16:40] <mpt> with people listening, and posting responses on IRC
[16:40] <hyperair> but it's not two way is it?
[16:40] <hyperair> ah
[16:40] <hyperair> posting responses
[16:40] <hyperair> yes, that makes sense
[16:53] <mpt> and sometimes we've dialled in people who are particularly expert in the topic being discussed.
[17:02] <rugby471> mpt: the remote participation is not that good though
[17:02] <rugby471> we need something like icecast but for videos
[17:02] <rugby471> mpt: like on ustream
[17:09] <rugby471> mpt: per this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicNotifyOSD
[17:09] <rugby471> mpt: why is AppCenter there?
[17:11] <mpt> rugby471, I have no idea.
[17:11] <rugby471> mpt: Oh I thought you were the drafter :-)
[17:12] <mpt> nup
[17:12] <mpt> I maintain the main NotifyOSD page
[17:12] <rugby471> oh
[17:18]  * mac_v wonders what Anjali is about
[18:10] <tgpraveen> mac_v: it's a modification of evolution
[18:10] <tgpraveen> for netbooks
[18:11] <mac_v> huh!
[18:11] <tgpraveen> oh wait is that wrong
[18:11] <tgpraveen> I think I am mixing something up
[18:11] <mac_v> tgpraveen: i was wondering about > https://launchpad.net/anjali
[18:12]  * mac_v mpt is hiding stuff from us ;p
[18:12]  * mac_v thinks^
[18:12] <tgpraveen> This project’s license is proprietary.
[18:12] <tgpraveen> so duh!
[18:15]  * tgpraveen guesses surprises awaits for us with Lucid
[18:19] <mac_v> tgpraveen: half the world would not know what "Anjali" actually is ;p
[18:20] <mac_v> s/is/means
[18:20] <rugby471> tgpraveen & mac_v : more surprises await us here as well https://launchpad.net/~flash-ubuntu-team :-)
[18:20] <rugby471> or https://launchpad.net/flash-ubuntu
[18:22] <tgpraveen> mac_v: I am from India so I guess I am supposed to what what it mean
[18:22] <tgpraveen> s
[18:23] <mac_v> yup , thats why i mentioned it to you ;)
[18:23] <tgpraveen> ;-)
[18:31] <rugby471> mpt: the progress of the history view http://videobin.org/v/i/ik.ogg
[18:32] <rugby471> mpt: atm it is parsing the history xml file and highlighting (in bold) the days that events have occured on
[18:33] <rugby471> mac_v: for your interest ^
[18:35] <mac_v> rugby471: i'll be adding a mockup in a few mins :)
[18:35] <rugby471> mac_v: awesome!
[18:58] <rugby471> see ya guys
[22:05] <c_korn> jcastro: hello


[00:24] <bonny> how do i enable automatic login right now when i start the computer it goes to the login screen first and i dont want that  how do i make it automatic login
[01:12] <bonny> how do i enable automatic login right now when i start the computer it goes to the login screen first and i dont want that  how do i make it automatic loginhow do i enable automatic login right now when i start the computer it goes to the login screen first and i dont want that  how do i make it automatic loginhow do i enable automatic login right now when i start the computer it goes to the login screen first and i dont want that  how do i enable automatic
[01:12] <bonny> login right now when i start the computer it goes to the login screen first and i dont want that  how do i make it automatic loginhow do i enable automatic login right now when i start the computer it goes to the login screen first and i dont want that  how do i make it automatic loginhow do i enable automatic login right now when i start the computer it goes to the login screen first and i dont want that  how do i make it automatic loginhow do i make it aut
[01:12] <bonny> omatic login
[01:49] <bonny> how do i enable partner repository
[04:21] <LAcan> herro?
[04:22] <LAcan> canllaith; i upgraded to full ubuntu but I'm having that no sound problem again, wondering if you still had the link you shared yesterday?
[04:28] <canllaith>  LAcan hrm, I can probably dig it out of the logs
[04:28] <canllaith> one moment
[04:28] <LAcan> ty ty
[04:29] <canllaith> LAcan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[04:29] <LAcan> Thanks so much!
[04:30] <LAcan> my heart is still with lubuntu but my hardware is ubuntu, lol
[04:31] <canllaith> heh
[04:33] <bioterror> no difference
[04:33] <bioterror> as both shares same kernel
[04:34] <canllaith> Sometimes userspace stuff can interfere.
[04:34] <canllaith> I can't get kubuntu to do the right thing with backlight brightness on my macbook air, but ubuntu does just fine
[04:35] <bioterror> macbook air with ubuntu
[04:35] <bioterror> :G
[04:35] <canllaith> Runs really really nicely
[04:35] <canllaith> Even the magic mouse
[04:35] <bioterror> why?
[04:36] <bioterror> you have macports and fink
[04:36] <canllaith> because macports don't get you a linux kernel
[04:36] <bioterror> and better hw support by apple
[04:36] <canllaith> I can use OSX for most of my work (and do) but the odd datacentre visit requires linux.
[04:36] <bioterror> for what?
[04:37] <canllaith> the usb to serial adapter we use for talking to cisco switches has really poor support under OSX
[04:38] <bioterror> hmmm
[04:38] <canllaith> I'm not aware of a terminal with zmodem support for OSX
[04:38] <bioterror> I've seen sun microsystem guys using mainly macbook pro's
[04:38] <bioterror> with OS X
[04:38] <bioterror> but I cant remember what they used for serial connection
[04:38] <canllaith> depends on the chipset of the adapter, not the switch.
[04:39] <bioterror> when I used to run around datacentres I used Linux or windows with TeraTerm
[04:39] <canllaith> Yup. No zmodem or teraterm or PuTTY for osx.
[04:39] <canllaith> anyway off to get the cat from the vet
[04:40] <bioterror> canllaith, minicom? :D
[04:55] <LAcan> Success as always canllaith ! Can you maybe recommend a good search bar for panels?
[05:18] <canllaith> LAcan: afraid not, I don't use search really :)
[05:18] <LAcan> sall good, i found google desktop for ubuntu
[05:19] <LAcan> sorry last repeat question of the day: whats the folder i put stuf into to autostart it?
[05:19] <canllaith>  ~/.config/autostart
[05:19] <LAcan> ima write that down :)
[05:19] <canllaith> :)
[05:21] <bioterror> LAcan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[06:21] <LAcan> i keep getting "configure: Libtar NOT found, disabling libbarrybackup" when doing a build yet Libtar is installed... any thoughts?
[09:11] <Quintin> MY FLASH DOESN'T WORK OMG HELP !
[09:12]  * hyperair gets temporarily blinded by the caps
[09:12] <bioterror> fix it!
[09:12] <bioterror> hi hyperair
[09:12] <hyperair> yo
[09:12] <Quintin> k, I'm just trying to show you how a typical user is going to react :P
[09:13] <Quintin> flashplugin-installer or whatever doesn't seem to install it into chromium folder.. and I can't find the libflashplayer.so :/
[09:13] <bioterror> should install
[09:13] <bioterror> and work
[09:13] <Unit193> sudo updatedb && locate libflashplayer.so is how I find things
[09:14] <Quintin> yea, it *should*... it's not.  reinstalling it now..
[09:14] <Quintin> I did find /
[09:15]  * Unit193 clocks out at 04:15
[09:19] <Quintin> yea, it is *not* installed.  what gives ??
[09:27] <Quintin> yea, still not working
[09:28] <Quintin> what the fuck guys
[09:33] <JLuc> hello
[09:34] <bioterror> Quintin, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[09:34] <JLuc> i'm looking forward having access to the "volume control options and preferences box"
[09:34] <bioterror> and restart your browser
[09:34] <bioterror> JLuc, open terminal and type: alsamixer
[09:34] <JLuc> i have
[09:34] <JLuc> but now i need this http://www.flickr.com/photos/13822502@N04/2553949983/
[09:34] <JLuc> these click boxes
[09:35] <Quintin> bioterror: been there done that, DOESN'T WORK
[09:35] <JLuc> that enable "digital" and "digital input"
[09:35] <JLuc> (and more like pcm, etc)
[09:36] <bioterror> Quintin, does it work with firefox then, instead of chromium
[09:36] <JLuc> alsamixer is not enough to enable the mic (on a dell vostro)
[09:36] <JLuc> well : doesnt seem to be enough
[09:36] <Quintin> JLuc: use tab to switch from playback to recording properties
[09:36] <Quintin> bioterror: no idea, firefox is not installed
[09:38] <Quintin> about:plugins only shows default plugin
[09:39] <JLuc> everything is about 90% quintin
[09:40] <JLuc> i'm trying to follow the http://www.fbollon.net/node/161  page
[09:40] <JLuc> (sorry its in french)
[09:40] <JLuc> that tells to access afterward the "volume control preferences and option panes" with checkboxes to enable such and such
[09:40] <JLuc> that tells to access afterward the "volume control preferences and option pane" with checkboxes to enable such and such
[09:41] <JLuc> in the tray the volume control is there
[09:41] <JLuc> but the "volume control preferences" option is grayed out
[09:42] <JLuc> (in the right clic menu)
[09:42] <JLuc> so it exists on lubuntu aswell :
[09:42] <JLuc> but how to access it ?
[09:43] <bioterror> I have no lubuntu computers near me, as I am at work
[09:45] <JLuc> thank you anyway bioterror :-)
[09:45] <JLuc> you've been helpfull a couple of times allready
[09:48] <bioterror> are you trying to get skype to work
[09:48] <JLuc> yes
[09:49] <JLuc> it works for chats and i can hear people calling
[09:49] <JLuc> but no mic
[09:49] <bioterror> skype has always been a PITA
[09:49] <JLuc> i have tryed all differents options in all skype audio preferences
[09:50] <JLuc> there is a problem too with the F keys in alsamixer
[09:50] <JLuc> F1 F2 F3 F6 etc
[09:50] <JLuc> they dont work but quit the programme,
[09:50] <JLuc> printing a cap letter
[09:51] <JLuc> afterward
[09:51] <JLuc> like F2 displays Q
[09:51] <JLuc> after quiting alsamixer
[09:52] <JLuc> instead of "system information"
[09:52] <JLuc> but F6 "select sound card" works fine !!
[09:54] <JLuc> but doesnt seem to remember what it is told...
[09:57] <JLuc> i install "gnome-media"
[09:57] <JLuc> so as to get a sound recorder
[09:57] <JLuc> and maybe access to options
[10:02] <bioterror> JLuc, use another terminal
[10:02] <bioterror> lxterminal sucks
[10:02] <bioterror> no problems with urxvt, for example
[10:12] <JLuc> hrmm
[10:12] <JLuc> see you
[11:24] <MK``> Hello, I want to install Lubuntu; I already have Ubuntu installed, what package do I need?
[11:25] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[11:25] <bioterror> one package to install them all!!!!
[11:27] <MrChrisDruif> Why without recommends bioterror?
[11:27] <bioterror> becouse
[11:27] <bioterror> I wont tell you
[11:27] <bioterror> hahaha!
[11:27] <MK``> haha I was just about to ask, i was reading the manual :P
[11:28] <bioterror> look yourself what happens with that switch and without it
[11:28] <MK``> what is the difference?
[11:28] <bioterror> it's not rocket science
[11:29] <MrChrisDruif> It doesn't install ALL the programs of a default Lubuntu install, right bioterror?
[11:29] <bioterror> it drops some "crap" off that's not needed
[11:30] <MK``> ah, like duplicate terminal apps?
[11:30] <bioterror> no
[11:30] <MrChrisDruif> Not if you already have Ubuntu installed :P
[11:30] <MrChrisDruif> It would be handy in a 64-bit fresh install me thinks
[11:30] <MK``> so it's the same as --less-crap-to-remove
[11:31] <bioterror> :D
[11:31] <MrChrisDruif> Yay, quick search finally works with me in Lubuntu :P
[11:31] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed MK``
[11:32] <MrChrisDruif> But where's the fun in that? :P
[11:33] <MrChrisDruif> Might be a bit offtopic though, come joins us on #lubuntu-offtopic if you want MK``
[11:34] <MK``> I did!
[11:43] <MrChrisDruif> Does anybody know where I can change keyboard-shortcuts?
[11:48] <szczur> MrChrisDruif, you can edit keyboard shortcuts by editing .config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml file
[11:49] <szczur> part with keybindings starts with <keyboard>
[11:50] <szczur> around line 163 (it may be different on your PC)
[11:50] <MrChrisDruif> In which folder is it, because when I do "leafpad .config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml" it's an empty file :-/
[11:50] <bioterror> lubuntu
[11:50] <bioterror> rc
[11:51] <szczur> ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[11:51] <szczur> this should be correct
[11:51] <MrChrisDruif> szczur: I tried ~/ as well
[11:52] <szczur> what files do you have in ~/.config/openbox folder?
[11:53] <MrChrisDruif> 9 folders and 4 files
[11:53] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh
[11:54] <szczur> huh?
[11:54] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe change it to lubuntu-rc.xml :P
[11:54] <MrChrisDruif> Those folders/files where in .config
[11:54] <MrChrisDruif> In /openbox was lubuntu-rc.xml
[11:56] <MrChrisDruif> So it should be "leafpad ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml"
[12:05] <MrChrisDruif> Do I need to reload for changed to apply?
[12:06]  * MrChrisDruif not used to making changes with .xml files :P
[13:33] <bioterror> sxzxzcxczxczccur
[13:33] <bioterror> :D
[13:33] <szczur_> biobiobiobterror :)
[13:33] <szczur_> XD
[13:34] <bioterror> hi
[13:34] <szczur> hi
[13:34] <szczur> what's up?
[13:36] <bioterror> wasting last 24mins at work
[13:36] <bioterror> eating apple and doing some windows profiles
[13:37] <szczur> :)
[17:12] <LAcan_> guys my google results come back in a foreign language... the results are english but all the meta like date etc are in... cyrillic or something. know how i can fix it?