[00:15] <rww> i still don't know what the t-word is ;(
[01:12] <bazhang> Tchulhu
[01:28] <Flannel> Why are we trolling the -ops list now?
[01:29] <rww> because all staffers are trolls
[01:42] <elky> TIL that putting the internet down to finish paid work is "not constructive"
[01:43] <phunyguy> ^ indeed
[07:58] <Pricey> phunyguy: elky: I was referring to "if I told you that, it would defeat the purpose."
[07:59] <Pricey> rww: Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they are a troll, aggressive, rude, etc. etc. etc.
[07:59] <Pricey> It just means they don't agree with you.
[10:01] <DJones> AH well, bye bye Jono Bacon
[10:01] <DJones> http://www.jonobacon.org/2014/05/19/goodbye-canonical-hello-xprize/
[10:42] <IdleOne> Good for him :)
[13:13] <Pricey> valorie: Have you ever heard the statement "You must be taking the piss?!" ?
[13:15] <Pricey> It being pretty close to "You're taking the mickey", "You're taking the proverbial" etc. etc.
[13:16] <Pricey> Oh wow, we have a wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss
[13:16] <elky> you still get surprised at what wikipedia has articles for?
[13:17] <Pricey> elky: I didn't think they'd have an article on such a specific phrase and it's origins.
[13:45] <h00k> woah, jono
[13:45] <h00k> I missed this yesterday
[14:41] <IdleOne> !vietnam
[14:42] <IdleOne> meh
[14:44] <IdleOne> !vietnam
[14:44] <Pricey> !-vietnam
[14:44] <IdleOne> !vietnam
[14:44] <IdleOne> fixed it
[14:44] <Pricey> Sneaky.
[14:44] <IdleOne> I try
[15:18] <k1l_> @mark #ubuntu chenqisu123 <chenqisu123> goodnight gays
[16:23] <bazhang> he installed ubuntu in less than five seconds
[16:23] <bazhang> impressive
[16:48] <jbroome> pew pew pew
[17:08] <k1l> wait, now its a corrupted iso? i thought he checked that already
[17:09] <bazhang> I thought it was installed inside gentoo
[17:09] <bazhang> his description of grub does not match that of ubuntu
[17:15] <Jordan_U> bazhang: In what way?
 Jordan_U: Oh ! I thought custom.cfg would have to be sourced by grub.cfg somewhat
[17:20] <Jordan_U> bazhang: And custom.cfg is sourced by their grub.cfg, as it would be in Ubuntu (though their grub.cfg is from Gentoo, from whose grub install the Ubuntu iso is being booted).
[17:20] <bazhang> haha
[17:21] <bazhang> and he wants help using reaver/aircrack
[17:21] <k1l> he told about his customers when entering the channel
[17:21] <Jordan_U> No, they don't.
[17:22] <k1l> now he talks about he got no other usb-drive in his bedroom and hacking wifi etc.?
[17:22] <Pici> someone who does pentesting for a living should know whether it is illegal or not.
[17:25] <Pici> I don't remember the last time I saw a VCD.
[17:25] <Pici> 1998 or something
[17:25] <bazhang> very common in 3rd world
[17:27] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Interesting. For use with VCD playing hardware or general purpose computers?
[17:27] <bazhang> Jordan_U, that would be cd/dvd players
[17:28] <bazhang> nightmare to rip
 Is there Ubunter Server channel ?
[17:29] <Pici> hm?
[17:29] <bazhang> super bad news
[17:51] <bazhang> !info mate-desktop
[17:51] <bazhang> is that not the mate of whatever derivative uses mate
[18:32] <k1l> fyi, the mute on seawolf_ will stay since he does not seem to have any interest to take part in the technical ubuntu support at all.
[18:34] <k1l> if someone got a different opinion feel free to clear that with him and take the responsibility of him not spoiling #ubuntu with his offtopic.
[18:47] <tsimpson> quiets should be temporary, if you feel they deserve to be banned and/or removed then you should do that
[19:01] <rww> Pricey: I'm aware of this :P
[19:04] <rww> !jono-#ubuntu-offtopic
[19:04] <rww> !forget jono-#ubuntu-offtopic
[19:04] <rww> !jono
[19:05] <IdleOne> that needs to be reworked in my opinion
[19:05] <IdleOne> I believe the best person to do that would be rww.
[19:05] <rww> it said "former", which was actually accurate, so it needed to go
[19:22] <rww> ubottu: tell Seawolf_ about drink-#ubuntu-offtopic
[19:34] <rww> 19:34:42 <rww> @ignore Seawolf_ 100000
[19:34] <rww> 19:34:43 <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[21:15] <RepentOrPerish> yes indeed god does kill and he will you and send you to hell if you dont repent
[21:16] <RepentOrPerish> !ops | yes indeed god does kill and he will you and send you to hell if you dont repent
[21:17] <IdleOne> RepentOrPerish: Could you please stop now
[21:17] <RepentOrPerish> LjL: yes indeed god does kill and he will you and send you to hell if you dont repent
[21:17] <RepentOrPerish> IdleOne: unless you repent you will perish
[21:17] <LjL> i'm serious about what i said in #kubuntu - are you guys QUITE sure that raindog what your designated victim?
[21:17] <LjL> because i rather think it was the above hfsplus, and that other guy had done nothing
[21:17] <IdleOne> LjL: that may have been a mistab. I'll look
[21:17] <LjL> may, eh
[21:18] <RepentOrPerish> hello IdleOne
[21:19] <IdleOne> RepentOrPerish: Anything I can help you with?
[21:19] <RepentOrPerish> ban me
[21:21] <IdleOne> I would prefer you just left on your own
[21:21] <RepentOrPerish> ok
[21:21] <RepentOrPerish> bye
[21:21] <IdleOne> have a nice day
[21:27] <mikey85> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/05/20/%23ubuntu.txt
[21:27] <mikey85> look at that log
[21:27] <mikey85> someone get me unbanned on the ubuntu
[21:27] <mikey85> I was accused wrongly
[21:27] <mikey85> someone made a nick of me in there
[21:27] <mikey85> only it is mikey85__
[21:27] <mikey85> and I was banned by ikonia because of that
[21:28] <mikey85> she told me I was never allowed in that room and she had banned all my nicks and ip
[21:28] <mikey85> even after I told her it wasn't me who cussed
[21:29] <ikonia> look mikey85 stop messing around
[21:29] <ikonia> you where muted before, you evaded that mute to come in talking about supybots
[21:29] <ikonia> you then got into a situation where multiple people where abused with bad language, I've explained to you at the last mute how to behave in #ubuntu
[21:30] <mikey85> [21:30] <mikey85> see?
[21:30] <mikey85> look on the log
[21:30] <ikonia> I do see that
[21:30] <mikey85> that was andrex
[21:30] <mikey85> I'm not andrex
[21:30] <ikonia> I also see you - you, an identfied user, switching to other users such as slayride
[21:30] <ikonia> and then using slayride in #ubuntu
[21:30] <ikonia> it all appears to be "you"
[21:31] <mikey85> yes, slayride was me
[21:31] <mikey85> but the that other guy wasn't
[21:31] <ikonia> so as I said, I'd rather stop messing around playing silly games and just request you find another channel
[21:31] <mikey85> look at the name
[21:31] <mikey85> it says mikey85__
[21:31] <ikonia> even without this last issue, you seem unable to communicate in the channel,
[21:31] <mikey85> not mikey85
[21:31] <ikonia> that's a nickname - you use different nicknames
[21:31] <mikey85> I have 2 nick names
[21:32] <mikey85> one for my bot room
[21:32] <mikey85> one for my bot on my channel
[21:32] <ikonia> ok,
[21:32] <mikey85> and this one
[21:32] <mikey85> that's all
[21:32] <ikonia> so again I believe you
[21:32] <ikonia> but even before this issue you appear to struggle to communicate in line with the channels
[21:33] <mikey85> ikonia, should I be judged wrongly? Do you really need to rid me on this server?
[21:33] <mikey85> Am I that bad of a person that I should be judged :(
[21:33] <ikonia> I have no interest in getting rid of you on this server
[21:33] <ikonia> you are free to use any of the other channels on the server
[21:33] <mikey85> but why would I be banned?
[21:33] <mikey85> for what purpose?
[21:34] <mikey85> everyone has seen the log
[21:34] <ikonia> you where already banned/muted
[21:34] <mikey85> I went in unknowingly with a question
[21:34] <ikonia> you evaded that ban/mute and tried to use the account slayride also
[21:34] <mikey85> how did I evade?
[21:34] <mikey85> there is no evasion to an ip ban of a channel
[21:34] <ikonia> mikey85: lets keep it simple
[21:34] <mikey85> ikonia, I want to be unbanned and unmuted
[21:35] <ikonia> I know you do
[21:35] <ikonia> and I did that yesterday, but you again caused a problem, so got re-muted
[21:35] <mikey85> I caused no problem that I am aware of
[21:35] <ikonia> and then again today you evaded the ban and tried to use the nickname slayride to also evade the ban
[21:35] <ikonia> I spoke to you in a reasonable ammount detail about it
[21:35] <ikonia> so I'm not sure how you can be unware of it
[21:36] <mikey85> by people imitating my mikey85 name?
[21:36] <ikonia> no
[21:36] <ikonia> forget that
[21:36] <mikey85> what about their justice?
[21:36] <mikey85> what justice is this?
[21:36] <ikonia> lets say "I belive you" on that
[21:36] <mikey85> ok
[21:36] <ikonia> did, or did I not explain to you how to use #ubuntu the other day, then remove the mute
[21:36] <mikey85> yes you have, and I haven't helped in there since
[21:37] <mikey85> I tried to help people in the beginning
[21:37] <mikey85> I admit that
[21:37] <mikey85> and I admit I was wrong for misusing that kind of help
[21:37] <mikey85> But still, there is no justice in ban/muting me for an error that many have made, I am sure
[21:38] <ikonia> apologies, I don't understand ?
[21:39] <mikey85> can you take me off of ban and mute please? I will only ask Ubuntu help
[21:39] <mikey85> I will not misuse the help of that room by asking help for other things
[21:39] <ikonia> but we spoke about this - I took you off the mute and you carried on
[21:39] <mikey85> carried on with what?
[21:39] <ikonia> your behaviour
[21:39] <mikey85> what behavior?
[21:39] <ikonia> if you hold on for a moment, I'll get it all together to be clearer
[21:39] <mikey85> the only behavior that was terrible was me being impersonated
[21:40] <ikonia> rather than working on previous discusion logs
[21:40] <ikonia> can you hold on for a moment, so I don't sell you short
[21:40] <mikey85> yes
[21:40] <ikonia> thank you
[21:42] <ikonia> ok, so I spoke to you about how to use #ubuntu, after I muted you after a little bit of noise in #ubuntu ?
[21:42] <ikonia> remember that ?
[21:43] <mikey85> yes
[21:43] <ikonia> ok, great
[21:43] <ikonia> I removed the mute then you rejoined #ubuntu correct ?
[21:44] <mikey85> the same day? Also the noise was me helping people with computers like others were doing as well
[21:44] <ikonia> you where not helping
[21:44] <ikonia> that's one of the things we spoke about
[21:44] <mikey85> so if that is noise, then forgive me for helping at all
[21:44] <mikey85> I was helping with computers
[21:44] <ikonia> you explained to me that you had no idea what ubuntu even was, and I clarified you should not help unless you know what you are doing
[21:44] <ikonia> do you remember that ?
[21:45] <mikey85> I understand that. But hear me out please. I helped because people in there needed help with computers and computers are my strong point
[21:45] <mikey85> How then should I plea?
[21:45] <ikonia> please let me finish
[21:45] <mikey85> can I not be unban and forgiven?
[21:45] <mikey85> go ahead
[21:46] <ikonia> so you remember being explained to that as you told me - "I don't even know what ubuntu is" you should not help until you know the answer to a question for certain
[21:46] <ikonia> remember that discussion ?
[21:46] <mikey85> Yes, and I haven't
[21:46] <mikey85> I helped with what I knew
[21:46] <ikonia> ok, thats great
[21:47] <mikey85> if you keep me on ban, that is a burden that I shouldn't have to bear. How then can I receive help on Ubuntu?
[21:47] <ikonia> however you did start pm'ing me and from what I can gather other users complaining about people such as daftykins
[21:47] <ikonia> saying he couldn't help, he was rubbish, and if he could help there would be no people asking for help in the channel
[21:48] <mikey85> Was I incorrect? He tried to help on an area he knew nothing about
[21:48] <ikonia> so I asked you not to cause a problem with bad help in the channel AND explained what you need to do to use the channel, and you started randomly pm'ing people in the channel calling other people names
[21:48] <mikey85> He was helping on a partdisk
[21:49] <mikey85> ikonia this is too much of a burden for me
[21:49] <ikonia> I can appreciate that
[21:49] <mikey85> How can I use the channel?
[21:49] <ikonia> apologies if I'm dragging it out, I'm just trying to be clear
[21:49] <ikonia> to use the channel, you need to stop doing the opposite if what you are doing
[21:50] <mikey85> ok, but if I pm you, that is my own thing. I wont pm you from the channel though
[21:50] <mikey85> If I'm not in there, I shouldn't be banned if I just want to speak to you :)
[21:50] <ikonia> stop helping / trying to help with things you know nothing about (you'll get better as you understand more) stop making offtopic comments/discussion in the channel, stop pm'ing users with random insults, listen to the ops when they tell you to do something (or other members of the channel) - don't evade mutes, don't do things you've already been told not to do
[21:51] <mikey85> ikonia I can feel some tention here
[21:51] <ikonia> after I patiently went through this with you - I find you are still causing a problem with rww in pm trying to evade mutes/get around them
[21:51] <ikonia> there is zero tension, I assure you
[21:51] <mikey85> no, there is
[21:51] <mikey85> I am not pming anyone
[21:51] <mikey85> How do I evade a mute? hmmm?
[21:52] <mikey85> ikonia, I appreciate you flirting and all but........ I was not evading
[21:53] <IdleOne> I think you are done here now
[21:54] <mikey85> idleone I feel though that I do need a bit of justice :(
[21:54] <mikey85> was justice served :(
[21:55] <IdleOne> yes, you are not going to be unbanned at this time. come back in a week or so when you have had time to think about how your actions effect the users of the channel.
[21:55] <mikey85> ikonia was suppose to have dinner with me :(
[21:55] <IdleOne> until then please leave this channel and stop harassing us
[21:55] <mikey85> I think she's mad because we didn't eat steak at the steakhouse :(
[21:56] <mikey85> who am i harassing, my dear friend?
[21:56] <mikey85> I just watched justice turn in the hands of the wrong doings
[21:56] <IdleOne> right now you are harassing ikonia with silliness about imaginary dinners
[21:57] <mikey85> lol, awwww but she likes the steakhouse :(
[21:57] <IdleOne> justice has been served in favor of the users of #ubuntu who want to use the channel properly
[21:57] <mikey85> well, I can see you waste no time
[21:57] <IdleOne> you clearly just want to mess around.
[21:57] <IdleOne> Please leave.
[21:57] <mikey85> well, after justice being served, I feel I should
[21:58] <mikey85> just like you served justice wrongly, so shall I
[21:58] <mikey85> let there be justice
[21:58] <mikey85> as for you ikonia, you really don't beat around the bush. I think she likes me, that's why she does this
[21:59] <mikey85> How else would I be wronged?
[21:59] <mikey85> ;)
[22:02] <IdleOne> ikonia: hope you were done. I saw no positive outcome.
[22:20] <ikonia> apologies, something important/personal came up
[22:20] <ikonia> didn't mean to leave him dangling
[22:21] <IdleOne> no worries. You took plenty of time to clearly explain.
[22:21] <IdleOne> he had no intention of being anything but a waste of time
[22:21] <ikonia> it wasn't a good explination
[22:21] <ikonia> but I also feel it wasn't honest,
[22:22] <ikonia> based on what's just happened in -server while I was away I suspect this user is trying to be a problem, rather than the accidents/that are happening, but I appreciate it's not popular at the moment to say that
[22:23] <ikonia> apologies thought, didn't mean to quit half way through trying to explain, however it was important, I wouldn't just walk away intentionally
[22:24] <IdleOne> I don't think you quit half way through.
[22:24] <ikonia> well, I did, I had to step away
[22:24] <IdleOne> the explanation for why he was banned was clear.
[22:24] <IdleOne> and then they took it to -server to continue being a problem
[22:25] <Unit193> (And -devel.)
[22:25] <ikonia> yes, but at the time I wasn't %100 sure it wasn't just a users missunderstanding the previous conversation/explaination of the rules,
[22:25] <ikonia> (I'm confident of it not being a missunderstanding now)
[22:25] <IdleOne> I don't see why we should be expected to spend our time explaining things to people who obviously have no intention to be productive
[22:26] <ikonia> yes, but I didn't know at the time if it was a genuine "I don't get it/didn't know" rather than "I know what I'm doing and playing dumb"
[22:26] <ikonia> it was the complains from people in pm from him that where people I trust that made me seriously doubt it,
[22:27] <ikonia> either way, I think it's been proven now he knows what he's doing,
[22:27] <IdleOne> yup
[22:28] <ikonia> for the record I've not banned him from any other channel or spoke to him outside of #ubuntu so I don't know why he's suggesting I'm trying to get him banned from every other channel (whatever that range is)
[22:28] <ikonia> beyond trying to be a problem
[22:29] <hggdh> ikonia: as far as I can see, your tried to reason. Also, as far as I can see the user was not really honest
[22:29] <ikonia> hggdh: that doesn't seem to matter any more
[22:29] <hggdh> ikonia: it does, for me.
[22:30] <ikonia> well, it does for me,
[22:31] <ikonia> good night
[22:31] <hggdh> although people can always complain and nit-pick, of course. But that is part of the game, I guess.
[22:31] <ikonia> I don't find it part of game
[22:31] <ikonia> but must dash, good night
[22:31] <IdleOne> night


[00:32] <mwhudson> so this isn't intimidating AT ALL: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/artful/update_excuses.html#python3-defaults
[00:34] <sarnold> honestly that's a lot more Pass results than I expected
[00:35] <sarnold> "python-oslo.messaging/5.28.0-0ubuntu1" ... I thought openstack had decided to stick with python 2.7?
[00:36] <sarnold> why's all the openstack stuff being run against python3?
[00:36] <blahdeblah> that sounds like a poor life choice
[00:37] <sarnold> hey some people like to rip off their bandages all at once and some people prefer to pull it off slowly little by little.. each their own :)
[00:47] <mwhudson> sarnold: yeah the pass rate is pretty good, it's the sheer scale that's a bit offputting
[00:47] <tsimonq2> I honestly don't get why Python 2.7 is still around... maybe I'm just too young to remember the pre-Python 3 (that rhymed...) days
[00:47] <mwhudson> openstack itself is python 2 only for now, but the dependencies all build for python 3 (or don't) in preparation i believe
[00:47] <tsimonq2> I installed Arch on a system the other day and it was unpleasant to figure out the hard way that some of my scripts are Python 2.7-specific...
[00:48] <mwhudson> having /usr/bin/python be python 3 is just evil and wrong though
[00:48] <tsimonq2> Why though? I don't get it... :P
[00:49] <blahdeblah> fo0bar_: ^ Is there an echo in here? :-)
[01:10] <Unit193> sarnold: Still with me?
[01:15] <tsimonq2> I can't poke my usual sponsor for this one... could someone please review and/or upload the patches attached to bug 1641912?
[01:16] <tsimonq2> (that sentence is flawed, why would someone blindly upload...?)
[01:18] <tsimonq2> (reason being, this needs a Core Developer)
[02:27] <sarnold> Unit193: sorry, stepped out for a dogwalk and then apparently a nap :)
[02:28] <sarnold> tsimonq2: I got tired of python's constant "you're doing it wrong" way before 2.7 was even released. I figured everyone else would have given up on it too well before 3.0 days. I figured 3.0 was going to kill python entirely.
[02:46] <mwhudson> python3-defaults migration actually not that bad
[02:46] <mwhudson> about half of them are failures because of
[02:46] <mwhudson> python3-forge        FAIL stderr: /usr/bin/py3versions:57: DeprecationWarning: invalid escape sequence \d
[03:05] <infinity> sarnold: Turns out that people like to be told what they want.  That's why Python beat Perl, GNOME beat KDE, and iThings took over the world.
[03:07] <sarnold> infinity: sarbuntu's going to be awesome! just vim, mutt, urxvt, firefox pre-loaded with pentadactyl, and we'll take over the world!
[03:08] <blahdeblah> I, for one, welcome our new sarnold overlord
[03:09] <sarnold> huzzah!
[03:09] <infinity> sarnold: I feel like you might need a window manager to move your terminals and firefoxes around.
[03:09] <sarnold> infinity: yeah, but i'm not a monster. i3 or dwm.
[03:10] <sarnold> also irssi. I forgot irssi.
[03:10] <sarnold> anyway time for dinner :)
[03:11] <sarnold> (man they're going to love rust. loads of rules.)
[03:11] <infinity> sarnold: Other than urxvt (I used gnome-terminal "because it's there", and due to some strange sense of responsibility to dogfood), you've described literally my entire setup.
[03:12] <infinity> sarnold: Oh, except for mosh.  Can't live without mosh in that mix.
[03:12] <infinity> (because my irssi and mutt are remote)
[04:58] <Unit193> sarnold: Heh, well too late now! :P
[04:59] <Unit193> (Because you're no longer up.)
[05:14] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: I round to weeks, checking in on wednesday mostly
[05:15] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: so it was too early this week (s wednesday)
[05:15] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: but will be next week
[05:15] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: sorry for that math simplification confusing you
[05:35] <marco25> any plans on fixing this bug?? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1656065
[05:35] <marco25> ubuntu 17.04 is a peice of crap in case you guys want feedback
[05:38] <marco25> you guys need to make an installer than can downgrade easily to 16.04 for the punishment i have endured
[05:46] <marco25> please just call non lts beta...thats basically what is
[05:47] <marco25> so tonight you wonderful ubuntu devs...go into the website and where you see non lts programs you can put beta
[05:47] <marco25> there
[05:47] <marco25> THANKS!!!
[05:48] <rbasak> Four people reporting affected since January? That's hardly a major problem.
[05:50] <rbasak>  kernel: [31159.073997] [<c10fd30c>] oom_kill_process+0x5c/0x80
[05:50] <marco25> ROFL
[05:50] <marco25> you mean that bug
[05:50] <rbasak> That's an out of memory condition.
[05:50] <rbasak> Not a bug.
[05:50] <marco25> well we can talk about the other bug that was freezing my pc for about 2 months..
[05:50] <marco25> that had like hundreds of comments
[05:50] <rbasak> Please do it in #ubuntu.
[05:51] <rbasak> Unless you're here to help fix a bug.
[05:51] <marco25> well the other bug says 4 people...that is obviously not everyone cause it effects me and my name aint there..
[05:51] <marco25> i wish you would fix that bug it was reported in january
[05:53] <rbasak> I've closed the bug as Invalid.
[05:53] <marco25> out of memory not a bug so how you propose i fix it ...?
[05:53] <marco25> rofl
[05:53] <marco25> wow you are helpful..
[05:54] <rbasak> See my comment in the bug. It links to an essay which explains why the bug report is not actionable.
[05:54] <marco25> you should close ubuntu 17.04 zesty as invalid
[05:54] <marco25> my memory is fine
[05:54] <marco25> you notice everyone is on zesty right? ding ding ding
[05:55] <marco25> i can look at it
[05:55] <marco25> its probably zesty though just saying
[05:57] <marco25> your joking by that link right?
[05:57] <marco25> what more you want than the error reported in the kernel log?
[05:58] <marco25> and everyone is using zesty?
[05:58] <rbasak> Full steps to reproduce please.
[05:58] <marco25> its random..
[05:58] <marco25> no particular website
[06:00] <rbasak> Honestly, I think a bug report is the wrong place for you to get help with this.
[06:00] <rbasak> You don't yet know if the problem is a bug or not.
[06:00] <rbasak> And community helpers don't hang around in the bug tracker. They hang around in places like #ubuntu and askubuntu.com.
[06:01] <rbasak> The bug is also very confusing, mentioning 16.04 as well, and apparmor even though apparmor in Firefox is not enforcing by default.
[06:06] <marco25> i think they mentioned apparmor because he thought it may have something to do with it
[06:08] <rbasak> Perhaps, but as apparmor isn't enforcing on Firefox by default, we hardly have steps to reproduce.
[06:10] <marco25> i tried to tell #ubuntu when my pc was freezing it was zesty that didnt believe me either sigh
[06:11] <marco25> until they saw a trouble ticket with hundreds of comments..that got the ball rolling
[06:14] <rbasak> A large proportion of "my system went wrong" reports turn out to be users misconfiguring their systems in some way. So it isn't productive to treat these as bugs that need fixing by developers until it is clear that there is actually a bug in the first place.
[06:15] <rbasak> Some of these could be treated as bugs of the type "the system would be more resilient to the user doing <X>", and we'll happily accept those reports, but they're hardly sky-falling type bugs.
[07:40] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, I'm going to fix sane-backends
[08:12] <ginggs> make sane-backends sane again!
[09:47] <nacc> Laney: are you planning on doing a debhelper merge soonish?
[09:48] <Laney> nacc: not in particular
[09:48] <Laney> if you want to take it off my hands, feel free - otherwise I can put it on my list for next week
[09:48] <nacc> Laney: ok, i can do it, some debian packages are starting to get deps on newer dh it seems, thanks!
[09:49] <Unit193> nacc: Mason support desired?
[09:50] <Laney> we have that
[09:51] <nacc> Unit193: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866978
[09:51] <nacc> Unit193: they did a fix in freeradius, and then dropped it by debhelper fixing it but now depend on that fix being present
[09:53] <Laney> keeping up is a good idea
[09:53] <Laney> the merge itself should be easy enough
[09:53] <Laney> owning any regressions in ubuntu, however, ... :)
[09:54] <Laney> 10.4 was a bit bumpy
[09:54] <nacc> Laney: yep, i'll take it on (will at least file a bug today, i may not get to the merge until first thing next week (after a few swap days))
[09:54] <nacc> Laney: yeah, I'll try and read through everything in the changelog to be prepared :)
[09:56] <Laney> nacc: ok, I've written it on my list - I'll claim the bug if I get there before you
[09:56] <Laney> thanks for the poke
[10:00] <nacc> Laney: np
[10:00] <nacc> Laney: thank you!
[10:02] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, I have some transitions blocked by debhelper too
[10:03] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: you can also feel free to do it
[10:03] <Laney> :-)
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> I was going to ask you some days ago, but then I moved to something else
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> you know, breaking debhelper is something I'll be happy to put on my CV
[10:04]  * LocutusOfBorg pun intended
[10:26] <mwhudson> hmm i see quite a few 'temporary failure in name resolution's on armhf autopkgtest
[10:32] <Laney> yep
[10:33] <Laney> going to abuse stgraber into looking at that with me when I see him at debconf :-)
[11:43] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: thank you for sane-backends!
[11:46] <jbicha> hmm, we're going to need another sane-backends upload though for Debian RC bugs
[12:02] <Bluefoxicy> heh how useless
[12:02] <Bluefoxicy> suspend doesn't work from the log-in screen in 17.04. Log into gnome-shell, suspend from the menu.
[12:06] <jbicha> Bluefoxicy: there are some hidden ways to suspend from the login screen LP: #1697143
[12:06] <jbicha> close your laptop lid, long-press the Power button in the top right of the screen, or hold Alt and press that Power button
[12:07] <Bluefoxicy> jbicha:  desktop doesn't have a lid.
[12:08] <Bluefoxicy> and you can hold alt and press power in gnome shell
[12:08] <Bluefoxicy> but on the log-in  screen—you know, where you enter your password to get to the desktop?—there's a Suspend thing in the menu
[12:08] <Bluefoxicy> that doesn't work.
[12:08] <Bluefoxicy> you have to log in before you can suspend
[12:09] <Bluefoxicy> apparently it won't auto-suspend from the log-in screen, either
[12:09] <Bluefoxicy> so if it's suspended and you lose power, then it'll come back up and just stay on until someone logs in
[12:10] <Bluefoxicy> work time
[12:42] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, I don't know if the fix was sane or not
[12:43] <jbicha> heh
[12:43] <jbicha> LP: #1705691 points to the remaining issues
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, can't you nmu in debian and then sync?
[12:52] <jbicha> I'm not a DD yet
[12:52] <LocutusOfBorg> I can sponsor
[12:52] <jbicha> sane-backends isn't syncable without https://bugs.debian.org/868265
[12:52] <LocutusOfBorg> just give me a debdiff
[12:53] <LocutusOfBorg> true...
[12:53] <LocutusOfBorg> so, fix the 4 bugs and ask me to sponsor
[12:59] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, in your opinion: can we avoid a transition by adding something like: Provides: libsane?
[12:59] <LocutusOfBorg> to libsane1
[13:03] <cjwatson> Does anyone remember where the page with pie charts with most frequent uploaders to each Ubuntu release was?  I seem to have lost it
[13:06] <xnox> cjwatson, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stefanor/+junk/ubuntu-activity/files is the code for it, it used to be on people.ubuntuwire.org done by tumbleweed
[13:06] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry Laney I'm giving up wrt debhelper, it was trivial, but now it fails on repack
[13:06] <cjwatson> ubuntu-activity, that was the keyword I needed to search logs
[13:07] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ubuntu-activity/ stops at yakkety though
[13:07] <cjwatson> xnox: thanks
[13:07] <xnox> some of it seems to work, but i guess the underlying ubuntuwire database is dead / stopped due to ubuntuwire outage =/
[13:08] <xnox> maybe wgrant or tumbleweed or Laney know more
[13:11] <smoser> anyone have an idea.... prior to artful (and probably using gdm3/gnome) i had a bluetooth headset that pretty much "just worked".
[13:12] <smoser> now, i turn it on, the bluetooth icon shows up in the panel at the top.. its definitely connected, but the audio wizard doesn't show it, so i can't put any sound through it or use its mic.
[13:12] <smoser> anyone seen this ?
[13:25] <seb128> smoser, by "wizard" you mean settings?
[13:26] <seb128> smoser, and no, a stack of bluetooth and pulseaudio issue got fixed and it's supposed to work much better than it used
[13:35] <smoser> yeah
[13:35] <smoser> wizard.
[13:35] <smoser> where did i come up with that word
[13:37] <smoser> seb128, yeah, gnome settings 'audio' button
[13:43] <seb128> smoser, what about control center -> audio panel ?
[13:47] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I don't know (about Provides avoiding transition)
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, dropped symbols, needs transition
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm uploading shortly
[13:52] <wgrant> xnox, cjwatson: ubuntu-activity fixed.
[13:53] <wgrant> udd got a bit big.
[13:53] <wgrant> needed some RAM shuffling
[13:53] <LocutusOfBorg> stefanor might need to rerun the script now?
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg> does it have a cronjob?
[13:54] <wgrant> LocutusOfBorg: I already have.
[13:54] <wgrant> The page shows artful now.
[13:54] <cjwatson> oh, cool, thanks
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe my ff cache needs a kick :D thanks
[13:54] <cjwatson> gosh, that's quite significant, Canonical/community upload ratio dropped below 50% in the zesty cycle for the first time
[13:55] <cjwatson> I guess mostly because LocutusOfBorg started doing Haskell transitions, but still :-)
[13:55] <wgrant> Heh
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg> remove haskell from that chart!
[13:56] <doko> mwhudson: I setup http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.6.html
[13:56] <smoser> seb128, what is that ? i'm sorry i just dont know the right words.
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg> one day Ill undertand why I'm on that graph both with my name and nick
[13:57] <smoser> i click panel (on top) -> settings icon -> it pops up a window 'All Settings'. i click 'Sound'
[13:58] <seb128> smoser, right, that's the settings panel
[13:58] <seb128> smoser, I though you were just trying to use the indicator
[13:58] <Faux> Ooh, I see an ssl1.1 transition on there. Is it going to happen before 18.04?
[14:00] <smoser> seb i think that pulse audio just doesn't see it. the bluetooth settings shows it and shows 'Connected'
[14:01] <tsimonq2> sarnold: Wow, OK.
[14:02] <smoser> but 'pactl list' doesn't show anything
[14:06] <smoser> does anyone have pulseaudio/gnome/bluetooth working on artful ?
[14:07] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, sane-backends uploaded
[14:07] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please give it a look?
[14:09] <jbicha> you could probably just use << 1.0.27 for your breaks/replaces
[14:20] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: btw, it FTBFS on non-amd64
[14:41] <LocutusOfBorg> sigh
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg> reuploaded
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg> I tested amd64 only lol
[14:46] <Laney> that's one way to stay at the top of the upload chart
[14:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I was fixing the upgrade path issue, so I did two builds, old-new
[14:47] <LocutusOfBorg> btw I wouldn't have spotted that bug even by doing an i386 build, because by default pbuilder does arch all+any
[14:54] <tsimonq2> Laney: Any chance you could take a look at my patches on bug 1641912? I see you're the most recent uploader in Zesty and Artful.
[14:58] <Laney> tsimonq2: ok - but probably not today
[15:01] <tsimonq2> Laney: Sure :)
[15:41] <ginggs> tsimonq2: i'm looking at nodejs now
[15:48] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Wonderful.
[15:48] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Meaning, my patch merging from Debian or on your own? Either works. ;)
[15:50] <ginggs> ginggs: i mean i'm looking your merge of nodejs now
[15:50] <ginggs> tsimonq2: even ^
[15:50] <tsimonq2> ginggs: ack, thanks :)
[15:59] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Oh shoot, I didn't see the merge was that new...
[15:59] <ginggs> tsimonq2: what do you mean?
[16:01] <tsimonq2> ginggs: I got the merge off of merges.ubuntu.com and didn't see that it was only 2 days old
[16:01] <tsimonq2> ginggs: I'll usually wait a couple of days to make sure I'm not duplicating work, and since I don't have archive upload access (yet), I'll have to use bug reports for now, and not everybody checks those before uploading...
[16:02] <ginggs> tsimonq2: nothing wrong with that, and i had written 'feel free to take' in the comments column of https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[16:02] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Oh ok, just wanted to make sure ;)
[16:06] <tsimonq2> And now I remember, that's why I took it :P
[16:18] <ginggs> tsimonq2: uploaded, thanks for the merge! - that should keep the autopkgtesters busy for most of the weekend
[16:28] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Thanks :D
[16:28] <tsimonq2> ginggs: I'll keep my eye on it
[16:31] <bmw> rbasak: in case you didn't see it, I put instructions for how to run integration tests on proposed certbot updates in the bug on launchpad
[16:33] <rbasak> bmw: I saw it, thanks! Sorry I haven't managed to look at it yet. It's in my queue.
[16:33] <bmw> great! just wanted to follow up
[18:10] <sarnold> infinity: hah, yes, mosh is double-plus good. I couldn't tolerate gnome-terminal well enough to even dogfood it. :( (unity in xenial's finally pretty good, it almost pretends to be a tabbed window manager, and it hasn't forgotten any settings in ages)
[18:12] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: I wouldn't really trust the canonical vs non-canoical data in ubuntu-activity
[18:12] <tumbleweed> it's full of thumbsuck, and doesn't understand that people move in and out of canonical
[18:14] <tsimonq2> Logan: Hey there, so I was just looking at kanatest and I was wondering if it was force syncable or if we still need to maintain part of the delta. Debian created a patch that applied part of our delta but not all of it. You're the last uploader in Ubuntu so I wanted to see what you thought. :)
[18:14] <tsimonq2> Logan: Here's the patch that Debian has now: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-games/packages/trunk/kanatest/debian/patches/remove-DISABLE_DEPRECATED-flags.patch?view=markup
[18:15] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: fair enough
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Logan: It completely removes "-DGDK_PIXBUF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED" in Debian but in Ubuntu we remove "-DGDK_PIXBUF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED" in two different places. Thoughts?


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[09:15] <cjwatson> wgrant: I increment the builder failure count before calling resetOrFail, so won't the slave scanner eventually notice that it's gone over the failure threshold and call failBuilder?
[09:16] <cjwatson> (I didn't touch assessFailureCounts in this pass; figured the upheaval was large enough as it was.)


[05:49] <mup> Bug #1667574 opened: default gateway not set when deploying a machine with two interfaces in same network <sts> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1667574>
[05:56] <junaidal1> Thanks roaksoax , understood.
[09:38] <mup> Bug #1670614 opened: Unable to change static ip in API interfaces link_subnet <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670614>
[10:47] <mup> Bug #1670614 changed: Unable to change static ip in API interfaces link_subnet <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670614>
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1670821 opened: [2.2 beta3] System with single disk fails to commission - smarctl-validate() fails <cdo-qa-blocker> <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670821>
[23:45] <mup> Bug #1668703 changed: Use external NTP servers only option has no effect <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1668703>
[23:54] <mup> Bug #1668703 opened: Use external NTP servers only option has no effect <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1668703>
[23:57] <mup> Bug #1668703 changed: Use external NTP servers only option has no effect <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1668703>
[23:57] <mup> Bug #1670886 opened: BIND config should include option "empty-zones-enable no" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670886>