[12:05] <slomo> ajmitch: can you upload a somewhat important debdiff in a few minutes for me?
[12:06] <ajmitch> slomo: I can try
[12:07] <HiddenWolf> dredg, launchpad was telling me to log in, then told me I was logged in already and dumped me back to where I came from.
[12:07] <HiddenWolf> stupid bug is filed now.
[12:07] <HiddenWolf> Of course it worked the moment I bitched about it in #launchpad.
[12:09] <HiddenWolf> I've got 1955 for you. Nice little weirdness with totem-xine.
[12:09] <slomo> ajmitch: thanks... but i need some minutes... i have to check whether this doesn't break anything ;)
[12:10] <ajmitch> slomo: please do check, since I wont' be able to check much :)
[12:10] <tseng_> very interesting
[12:10] <tseng_> did someone just upload beagle?
[12:10] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: that's a mild bug compared to what I've seen with totem :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> tseng_: yes, infinity did
[12:10] <tseng_> i got an email thanking me for my contribution
[12:10] <ajmitch> rebuild to remove glitz depend
[12:10] <tseng_> but no breezy-changes
[12:11] <tseng_> k
[12:11] <ajmitch>  beagle (0.0.12-0ubuntu6) breezy; urgency=low
[12:11] <ajmitch>  .
[12:11] <ajmitch>   * Rebuild again to rid us of the unwanted libglitz dependency.
[12:11] <tseng_> works for me
[12:11] <tseng_> booting my new colony 3 install now
[12:11] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, I was filing it in bugzilla, then it didn't immediatly happened when i tested -gstreamer, so I filed in malone, and the moment I file it, it happens in -gstreamer too. Should I file it in bugzilla and close in malone?
[12:12] <tseng_> oh so American keyboard layout on my UK keyboard
[12:12] <tseng_> very interesting
[12:13] <tseng_> oh!
[12:13] <tseng_> gdm is up
[12:13] <tseng_> X was b0rk in hoary
[12:13] <tseng_> im so excited
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch? ^
[12:13] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: you can file in bugzilla as well if you wish :)
[12:14] <ajmitch> it's more likely to be dealt with there, as it's a totem bug
[12:14] <slomo> ajmitch: well... just upload and i'm the one everybody has to talk to when something breaks ;)
[12:14] <slomo> ajmitch: seems to work here: http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/faad2_2.0.0clean-0ubuntu4.debdiff
[12:16] <slomo> tseng_: btw... did you already upload the fixed gtk#1 which links against gtkhtml 3.8? would be nice to have this before preview freeze ;)
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, filed in bugzilla, linked to in malone.
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> and remind me not to file bugs at midnight.
[12:17] <tseng_> oh that sucks
[12:17] <tseng_> slomo: no
[12:18] <tseng_> the celeron m does not support cpufreq?
[12:18] <tseng_> or just not setup properly
[12:28] <slomo> ajmitch: thanks :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> slomo: n/p
[12:36] <HiddenWolf> Ugh. finding 3 bugs in totem in 10 minutes.
[12:38] <HiddenWolf> can someone open up totem-gstreamer for me?
[01:20] <teferi> hey guys, just wanted to give some extra information about the bug i filed against wpasupplicant
[01:21] <teferi> (#1947 on launchpad)
[01:22] <ajmitch> teferi: yes?
[01:22] <tseng_> you can comment on the bug pretty easily
[01:22] <teferi> yeah, but i was on irc anyway
[01:22] <teferi> um
[01:22] <tseng_> if something is relevant
[01:23] <tseng_> it should really be on the bug
[01:23] <teferi> fair enough
[01:23] <ajmitch> so we don't lose track of the info
[01:23] <tseng_> not just to be more trouble, but irc gets lost
[01:23] <tseng_> in about 30 lines :)
[01:23] <teferi> true
[01:23] <sistpoty> teferi: do you have a debdiff? or a patch?
[01:23] <ajmitch> my irc attention span is about 10 seconds
[01:23] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:23] <teferi> sistpoty: i haven't bothered to make one yet, but i can probably do that now
[01:24] <slomo> teferi: please do :)
[01:24] <sistpoty> and attach that to the bug ;)
[01:24] <teferi> yeah
[01:34] <teferi> anyone want to help me figure out how to make a dpatch?
[01:35] <bmonty> teferi: dpatch-edit-patch
[01:35] <slomo> or create a normal diff and add some stuff about it (look at existing dpatches for that)
[01:35] <teferi> hm, okay
[01:35] <teferi> oh wow, that's exactly what i wanted!
[01:36] <bmonty> also, if you are going to use dpatch make sure that the include for dpatch is in the rules file (see the man page)
[01:36] <teferi> well, thje package already uses dpatch
[01:36] <bmonty> then you are good to go :)
[02:06] <teferi> gah. i don't really want to trace header dependencies and figure out what the smallest set of headers i need to extract from the madwifi driver is...
[02:07] <tseng_> hah
[02:10] <tseng_> what is your goal?
[02:13] <teferi> tseng_: wpasupplicant source package has a dpatch to add in the headers from the madwifi driver
[02:13] <teferi> so it can build with atheros support
[02:13] <tseng_> hm
[02:13] <tseng_> ah
[02:13] <bddebian> OK, I need to get back to work here.  Anyone have any suggestions
[02:13] <teferi> however, the driver has changed since wpasupplicant was packaged, and it needs to be rebuilt with the new headers
[02:13] <teferi> (i built a custom package like that and it worked fine)
[02:14] <tseng_> he's bbl
[02:14] <teferi> i should probably ask debian
[02:14] <teferi> it looks like no one's modified this since it went in universe
[02:17] <bddebian> Egads the list from apt-get.org is huge..
[02:17] <sistpoty> teferi: this seems to be the synced version from unstable... otherwise it would have a -XubuntuY suffix in the version
[02:17] <teferi> sistpoty: yeah
[02:19] <sistpoty> teferi: have you checked the debian bug reports?
[02:21] <teferi> sistpoty: the issue doesn't arise in debian because debian doesn't ship with a madwifi driver :P
[02:21] <teferi> it's not free and it's not in non-free
[02:21] <sistpoty> ic ;)
[02:21] <teferi> i really want to just stick all the headers from the madwifi driver in the madwifi_driver subdir that the old dpatch creates and live with the potential dead code
[02:22] <teferi> but that would probably be wrong
[02:23] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[02:27] <teferi> oh well, maybe one of you masters of the universe will have mercy on me and help :)
[02:27] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[02:28] <bmonty> bddebian: how are things going?
[02:28] <bddebian> bmonty: They haven't been. :-(  How about you?
[02:28] <bmonty> me either....working on my house has been eating up a lot of my time
[02:29] <bmonty> right now I'm stuck in a hotel in colorado....so plenty of time to waste :)
[02:30] <bddebian> Stuck in a hotel?
[02:30] <bmonty> yeah, I'm waiting for the guy with the car to get back
[02:30] <bddebian> Ah
[02:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: what did you want?
[02:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: Something to do.. I've been lame lately :-)
[02:53] <ajmitch> oh, right
[02:53] <ajmitch> fix packages :)
[02:53] <bddebian> Which ones?
[02:53] <ajmitch> the broken ones, preferably
[02:54] <bddebian> You're almost helpful :-)
[02:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: see the topic for transitions
[02:54] <ajmitch> there are still a few packages needing love there
[02:54] <bddebian> That page says that they are pretty much done or "almost done"
[02:54] <ajmitch> but most of our work will be the hard stuff - fixing FTBFS
[02:55] <ajmitch> I'm thinking of something crackful - getting the build status for _every_ package in universe
[02:55] <ajmitch> since I wrote a script to half-do that last week
[02:56] <bddebian> Heh
[02:57] <sistpoty> bddebian: what arch do you build on? i386?
[02:57] <bddebian> sistpoty: Aye unfortunately
[02:57] <bddebian> I need to get some more boxen, 9 isn't enough :-)
[02:58] <sistpoty> damn, otherwise you could have tried ghc6... but on i386 i have done so already (see revu ;))
[02:58] <ajmitch> bah, stop complaining..
[02:59] <bddebian> sistpoty: No kidding :-)
[03:03] <bddebian> Maybe I'll work on apt-get org so Mark will love me.. ;-P
[03:04] <tseng_> apt-get org is a time pit
[03:04] <bddebian> Ya think? :-)
[03:10] <bddebian> tseng_: Got another suggestion then?
[03:12] <tseng_> nope.
[03:14] <bddebian> You people are no help. :-)
[03:15] <ajmitch> why, because you don't want to do the jobs we suggested?
[03:15] <bddebian> What did you suggest?
[03:16] <ajmitch> transitions, and you suggested AptGetOrg
[03:16] <ajmitch> and FTBFS
[03:16] <bddebian> Transitions doesn't make any sense
[03:17] <ajmitch> 'almost done' means there's still things to fix
[03:17] <bddebian> I realize that, but the wiki pages aren't exactly clear on what needs to be done
[03:17] <ajmitch> soon I'll have a massive page of FTBFS packages
[03:18] <sistpoty> teferi: still around?
[03:18] <teferi> yeah
[03:18] <teferi> what's up?
[03:18] <ajmitch> with links to the build logs for each
[03:18] <ajmitch> it'll just take awhile to script up
[03:18] <sistpoty> maybe i fixed wpasupplicant... i put things here: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/wpasupplicant/
[03:18] <sistpoty> teferi: but i cannot test it (have no wifi-card)
[03:19] <ajmitch> I'll test it tonight
[03:19] <teferi> hold on
[03:19] <ajmitch> I've got madwifi & a wpa network
[03:19] <teferi> you have madwifi working with wpa?!
[03:19] <teferi> last time i tried that, it failed completely
[03:19] <ajmitch> teferi: no, the AP got changed last week
[03:19] <teferi> ajmitch: er, any chance you could put a deb up there?
[03:20] <teferi> er, sistpoly
[03:20] <ajmitch> and I haven't used the laptop since then
[03:20] <teferi> ...poty
[03:20] <teferi> i fail :P
[03:20] <sistpoty> teferi: sure, but only i386
[03:20] <teferi> sistpoty: yep
[03:20] <sistpoty> :)
[03:21] <sistpoty> teferi: there it is
[03:21] <teferi> danke
[03:21] <sistpoty> kein problem ;)
[03:21] <teferi> okay, falling offline to test
[03:21] <sistpoty> good luck
[03:21] <sistpoty> but i cannot say, that i really know what i've done ;)
[03:21] <sistpoty> ajmitch: should i upload it to revu?
[03:22] <bddebian> Ack, xastir FTBFSs
[03:23] <teferi> sistpoty: works :>
[03:23] <teferi> sistpoty: many thanks, that's amazing turnaround on a bug
[03:24] <sistpoty> no problem, I'm glad to help... thx for your excellent bug report ;)
[03:24] <teferi> no problem
[03:24] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you can if you think it helps :)
[03:24] <teferi> like i said, i've been using my hacked package for a while now. nice to have it fixed in universe
[03:24] <teferi> when's it gonna get uploaded?
[03:24] <sistpoty> depends probably on ajmitch (i am no motu yet ;))
[03:25] <teferi> ah
[03:25] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I won't be uploading that for a few hours
[03:26] <ajmitch> as I'd like to see it working first :)
[03:26] <bddebian> Can anyone see xezmlm ??
[03:26] <ajmitch> maybe?!??
[03:26] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:26] <sistpoty> ajmitch: if it won't work, feel free to write a script to fix it ;)
[03:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: see multiverse
[03:26] <ajmitch> sistpoty: :P
[03:27] <bddebian> Damnit, I swore I had multiverse in my pbuilder.. hmm
[03:31] <bddebian> Hmm, ezmlm is missing/b0rked?
[03:31] <tseng_> i hope someone fixes metacity soon
[03:34] <bddebian> Why is xezmlm in UniverseUnmetDeps if it is a multiverse package?
[03:35] <ajmitch> because we care about multiverse as well
[03:36] <bddebian> Well then tell me why ezmlm is missing/broken :-)
[03:36] <sistpoty> hm... why do i always forget target breezy *g*
[03:36] <ajmitch> because it's missing
[03:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: THe source package is there and builds fine
[03:37] <ajmitch> nope
[03:37] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/e/ezmlm/0.53-11/
[03:37] <ajmitch> all ailed
[03:37] <ajmitch> failed
[03:37] <bddebian> Hmm, I just built it!!??
[03:38] <ajmitch> maybe you should read the build log?!??!!11ONE
[03:38] <ajmitch> ;)
[03:38] <tseng_> i was not expecting that
[03:38] <tseng_> rich
[03:38] <tseng_> time to shut down the laptop
[03:38] <tseng_> bye.
[03:39] <ajmitch> dpkg-deb: building package `ezmlm-idx' in `../ezmlm-idx_0.53-11_i386.deb'.
[03:39] <ajmitch> Error: ../ezmlm_0.53.orig.tar.gz missing
[03:39] <bmonty> anyone have a suggestion for a good lib to parse HTML?
[03:39] <Lathiat> bmonty: to parse it to do what
[03:40] <bmonty> I'm working on making apt-spy work with the ubuntu mirrors listing
[03:40] <Lathiat> ah
[03:40] <Lathiat> i think you want uh
[03:40] <Lathiat> awk
[03:40] <Lathiat> or perl :)
[03:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: ezmlm was removed from debian
[03:41] <bddebian> Later tseng_
[03:41] <sistpoty> bmonty: regular expression might do the trick ;)
[03:41] <bmonty> Lathiat: can we completely replace the package in ubuntu if I write it in perl?
[03:41] <Lathiat> bmonty: err
[03:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: well, at least it's removed from unstable
[03:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: But it's there
[03:41] <Lathiat> bmonty: whats it written in?
[03:41] <bmonty> sistpoty: no way...I'm not doing regex on HTML
[03:41] <Lathiat> regex on html is easy
[03:41] <bmonty> Lathiat: currently written in C
[03:41] <Lathiat> you knwo what the page looks like
[03:41] <Lathiat> what you coudl do
[03:41] <Lathiat> is ask for the mirror list to be updated somewhere in some nice parsable form
[03:42] <Lathiat> fark 226M mirror sync
[03:42] <bmonty> It would have to be the same as the current debian format
[03:42] <Lathiat> sounds like somethign sensible to do
[03:43] <bmonty> maybe I could make a package called "ubuntu-spy"
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: Am I missing something here?
[03:43] <bmonty> there isn't anything wrong with the ubuntu method of listing the mirrors, just doesn't match the debian format
[03:44] <Lathiat> bmonty: what is the debian format
[03:44] <Lathiat> and i'll be back in 10
[03:45] <sistpoty> hehe Lathiat, seems like you *did* regex on html before ;)
[03:45] <bmonty> Lathiat: check out http://www.debian.org/mirror/list...it looks like the smaller text on the bottom of the page
[03:46] <bmonty> sistpoty: I've read through the perl regex pages and the warnings on writing HTML regex expressions :)
[03:47] <bmonty> I like HTML::Parser
[03:47] <sistpoty> bmonty: if the source page is formatted in some sane manner, it's very easy (did it on www.imdb.org *g*)... the regex is really simple (took me 2 minutes to write it, but 30 more to debug it)
[03:48] <bmonty> sistpoty: well I'm not a regex wizard, so if you can help me write the expression, I'll use it
[03:50] <bmonty> mirror listing is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[03:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: Wanna throw video-dvdrip over for me?
[03:50] <sistpoty> bmonty: ok, I'll try my luck then... ;)
[03:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: excuse me?
[03:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: I think video-dvdrip just needs a rebuild
[03:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: next time ask for a rebuild, I don't know what you mean when you want me to 'throw it over' :)
[03:52] <bddebian> Sorry
[03:52] <bddebian> Sheesh
[03:53] <ajmitch> 419 packages so far that might be FTBFS..
[03:53] <ajmitch> and I'm maybe 1/2 way through the list
[03:53] <bddebian> Nice
[03:54] <ajmitch> this doesn't take into account recent builds that aren't in the archive
[03:55] <bddebian> Hmm, ultrapoint shouldn't be on UniverseUnmetDeps
[03:55] <ajmitch> why not?
[03:55] <bddebian> At least on i386 :)
[03:56] <bddebian> Because it just installed? :-)
[03:57] <ajmitch> perhaps one of its dependencies FTBFS on amd64
[04:00] <bmonty> gotta go grab some food...
[04:06] <bddebian> xastir ftbfs
[04:08] <ajmitch> somethign for you to fix then
[04:09] <bddebian> Is "integer constant is too large for 'long' type" a gcc4 issue?
[04:09] <ajmitch> an issue with broken source & gcc4, perhaps
[04:10] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[04:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are you at work?
[04:17] <ajmitch> yes
[04:18] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[04:18] <lifeless> ajmitch: what sort of help do you need ?
[04:19] <ajmitch> ah, afternoon lifeless
[04:20] <ajmitch> lifeless: we're mainly working on getting universe packages installable (changed dependencies)
[04:20] <ajmitch> or buildable, since there are a lot that FTBFS
[04:20] <lifeless> gcc 4 issues ?
[04:21] <ajmitch> a lot of them, yes
[04:21] <lifeless> theres a fairly minimal set of CFLAGS that turn of the extra-strict-crack gcc-4 introduced
[04:21] <lifeless> do you use those to get them to build, or do you take on 20000 line patches to fix bad signs in types and so on ?
[04:23] <ajmitch> mostly patches, that we try & feed back to debian
[04:23] <ajmitch> although we can resort to CFLAGS to make our work easier
[04:23] <ajmitch> are you wanting to be a maintainer asap?
[04:24] <bddebian> Heh :-)
[04:24] <sistpoty> however some gcc-4-errors/warnings make sense in the meaning of portability (warning on i386, break on amd64)
[04:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: lifeless is a DD, he's well qualified :)
[04:25] <bddebian> Bah, DD's, what do they know.. ;-P
[04:25] <sistpoty> lol
[04:27] <ajmitch> as a quick example, here's a small list of packages whose source & binary versions differ
[04:27] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/debuild/ubuntu/tmp/rebuilds/test/package.versions.txt
[04:27] <ajmitch> indicating (usually) that there was a build problem
[04:27] <lifeless> ajmitch: not in a panic about it, just moving the process along, would like to be able to do direct uploads of my debian package[s] , and for the bazaar work.
[04:28] <ajmitch> lifeless: right, I can understand that
[04:28] <ajmitch> I've mainly been uploading to debian & syncing from there for my packages
[04:28] <lifeless> yeah. I just passed NM a week or so back, so its still a fresh feeling ;0
[04:29] <ajmitch> heh
[04:29] <bddebian> Holy crap tora is a bigger package than I realized
[04:29] <lifeless> theres still things to do during freeze, for instance.
[04:29] <ajmitch> congrats :)
[04:29] <bddebian> lifeless: Congrats
[04:29] <ajmitch> I passed NM a week after I become a MOTU
[04:29] <ajmitch> near the start of the year
[04:30] <lifeless> how long in the NM queue ? I spent 13 months there
[04:30] <ajmitch> 3 years, about 18 months of which were on hold ;)
[04:30] <ajmitch> I'm sure I set a record
[04:30] <lifeless> wowsers
[04:31] <teferi> how goes that wpasupplicant fix? :)
[04:31] <ajmitch> teferi: I don't have my laptop here to test it, which is why I said I'll test later
[04:31] <teferi> ah
[04:36] <lifeless> ajmitch: do we still ship python 2.3 ?
[04:36] <lifeless> ajmitch: that list - it would be neat if you added links from the versions to the build reports for each package.
[04:37] <bddebian> Should libqt3c102 just be libqt3 again?
[04:37] <lifeless> i.e. xfdesktop4 has source version: <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu34.0.6-1 > binary version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3
[04:39] <ajmitch> lifeless: this was just generated a few minutes ago with an ugly script
[04:39] <ajmitch> which is a WIP :)
[04:39] <lifeless> ajmitch: sure. So consider this the first bug report ;)
[04:39] <ajmitch> python2.3 is still shipped for zope2.x
[04:39] <lifeless> oh right, shoot-my-own-foot-zope.
[04:39] <ajmitch> lifeless: bzr branch http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/debuild/ubuntu/tmp/rebuilds/test/
[04:40] <ajmitch> (once I commit)
[04:40] <lifeless> ;0
[04:40] <ajmitch> I might as well use the tools that are around :)
[04:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: Is libqt3c102 back to just libqt3 for 3.3.4?
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya seth_k
[04:42] <seth_k> hey bddebian :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes
[04:42] <ajmitch> abi transition requires dropping the c102 if it existed
[04:42] <bddebian> Damnit, OK, thanks
[04:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm sorry, did you have time to upload video-dvdrip or no?
[04:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: does it need it?
[04:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: Just needs a rebuild I think
[04:48] <ajmitch> you think?
[04:48] <bddebian> Works for me (tm)
[04:49] <ajmitch> I think that the 'unmet deps' part are in the Suggests: line
[04:49] <ajmitch> and a rebuild won't do anything to that
[04:50] <bddebian> What doesn't install?
[04:51] <ajmitch> it installs fine on i386
[04:53] <bddebian> grr
[04:53] <bddebian> I need to just get one of each arch.. :-)
[04:54] <ajmitch> but it does recommend rar-2.80
[04:54] <ajmitch> which is not available
[04:54] <ajmitch> (and non-free at that)
[04:54] <lifeless> recommend is pulled in by default IIRC
[04:55] <ajmitch> sorry, suggests, not recommends
[04:55] <lifeless> suggests should not impact installability
[04:55] <ajmitch> aptitude can pull in recommends, not sure if it does it by default
[04:55] <ajmitch> apt-get only grabs depends
[04:55] <ajmitch> apt-cache unmet takes suggests into account, sadly
[04:56] <lifeless> I thought apt-get grabbed more than just depends
[04:56] <ajmitch> nope
[04:56] <bddebian> Ack, maybe I should have just stayed in my hole.. :'-(
[05:13] <sistpoty> ping bmonty
[05:15] <sistpoty> bmonty: have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/getmirrors/
[05:16] <sistpoty> <- smokes one last cigarette, and then probably drops into bed (past 5am here!)
[05:16] <bddebian> Yikes, gnight sistpoty
[05:23] <bmonty> sistpoty: thanks
[05:29] <bddebian> tritium!!!
[05:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: How about t38modem? :-)
[05:29] <tritium> hey bddebian :)
[05:29] <bddebian> tritium: All settled in? :-)
[05:30] <bmonty> Lathiat: ping
[05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: what about it?
[05:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: Just a rebuild? :-)
[05:30] <tritium> bddebian, more or less.  Finally got the cable modem service issues resolved.  Was without for more than 2 weeks.
[05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: why ask me?
[05:30] <tritium> How are you?
[05:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because you keep shooting down my other ones :-)
[05:31] <teferi> tritium: hey, at least it only took you 2 weeks. it took me *3* to get DSL out of verizon
[05:31] <tritium> teferi, is that right?  that's terrible...
[05:31] <teferi> tritium: ep
[05:31] <teferi> yep
[05:31] <bddebian> tritium: Nice.  I'm OK.  Haven't gotten much done in the last few weeks :-(
[05:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: why do you say that t38modem needs a rebuild?
[05:31] <ajmitch> all the deps are present, that I can see
[05:31] <teferi> first they said dsl wasn't available on the line, then they stalled, then they sent me an install kit with no modem, then they stalled again, then they sent me a modem
[05:31] <tritium> bddebian, nor have I
[05:32] <tritium> teferi, I got similar treatment
[05:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: I got a missing dep for libopenh323 (> 1.15.3) ??
[05:32] <teferi> and of course, it's verizon's way or the highway out here
[05:32] <teferi> damn monopolies
[05:33] <tritium> same here.  comcast is the only service over cable here
[05:33] <teferi> we don't even have cable internet here as another option
[05:33] <teferi> adelphia stops just short of having service
[05:34] <tritium> Where are you?
[05:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're right, I have that lib installed & it doesn't complain
[05:34] <ajmitch> I'll see if it's the fault of t38modem
[05:34] <bddebian> Wow, I got something right for once? :-)
[05:37] <bddebian> bmonty: Don't clap just yet :-)
[05:37] <bmonty> oh sorry, premature clapping
[05:39] <bddebian> Common male problem. ;-)
[05:39] <bddebian> OK, sqlobject is a little strange
[05:40] <ajmitch> sqlobject was fixed already
[05:40] <ajmitch> always look at breezy-changes when you go to check something
[05:41] <bddebian> It doesn't install.
[05:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: no kidding
[05:42] <ajmitch> wait for it to hit the archive
[05:43] <bddebian> You love me don't you honey
[05:44] <bddebian> Where are breezy-changes?
[05:45] <ajmitch> it's a mailing list
[05:45] <bddebian> Oh like I'm not on enough of them already? :-)
[05:47] <ajmitch> gmail is quite useful
[05:51] <tritium> except for POP, and not being able to delete messages with your mail client
[05:51] <ajmitch> but for keeping up for breezy-changes, it's adequate
[05:51] <bddebian> tritium: :-)
[05:59] <jblack> Hey guys. What's up?
[05:59] <bddebian> Bah, I can't edit the wiki..
[05:59] <bddebian> Hello jbailey
[05:59] <bddebian> Err jblack
[05:59] <jblack> heh. Hi.
[05:59] <jbailey> bddebian: Hello. =)
[05:59] <bmonty> gnight everyone
[06:00] <jblack> jbailey: I was with the company first. Thusly, you must change your name to jblacl. :)
[06:00] <bddebian> jbailey: :-)
[06:00] <jblack> see? :)
[06:00] <jbailey> jblack: Yes, Mark.
[06:01] <jblack> So guys... About that talk the other day....
[06:01] <jblack> Have any of you come up with some goold projects/buddies/etc that could use bazaar?
[06:02] <bddebian> I didn't get to stay for your talk :-(
[06:02] <jblack> Oh, ok. well, to quickly sum up...
[06:03] <jblack> bazaar is the cat's pajamas. Everyone should use either bazaar or bazaar-ng.
[06:03] <jblack> I'd like to make sure that everybody has had the opportunity to try it out. :)
[06:04] <ajmitch> hi jblack
[06:04] <jblack> I was a bit more eloquent and detail oriented than that of course...
[06:04] <jblack> ajmitch! What's up?
[06:05] <bddebian> So we could use it for GNU/Hurd? ;-)
[06:05] <ajmitch> converting the heathens to using bazaar*
[06:05] <jblack> Hmmm. The Hurd, eh?
[06:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: of course, doesn't ams use tla?
[06:05] <jblack> Yeah, ams used to use tla.
[06:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye
[06:10] <lifeless> what would be good is to port tla-buildpackage (asuffields, not gorzens') and create a bzr-buildpackage
[06:10] <lifeless> that would help people wanting to try it
[06:11] <ajmitch> I agree, and I'd probably use it quite often
[06:11] <ajmitch> as I use svn-buildpackage now
[06:11] <ajmitch> lifeless: when do you think those bound branches will be implemented?
[06:13] <lifeless> not sure.
[06:13] <lifeless> its not critical path for canonicals dogfooding of bzr, as we use distributed bazaar, not shared, for launchpad developmetn
[06:14] <lifeless> what project are you thinking of that would need that ?
[06:15] <ajmitch> none specifically
[06:16] <lifeless> its quite possible to have a common branch several people can push too without bound branches.
[06:16] <lifeless> just push to the same place, and merge from it.
[06:16] <lifeless> also, pqm will be able to do bzr branches very soon
[06:16] <ajmitch> ok
[06:17] <ajmitch> I found the bazaar behaviour of having the revisions committed outside of the working tree useful
[06:17] <ajmitch> but I guess theat'll also come under the centralised storage
[06:18] <lifeless> do you mean 'shared storage' ?
[06:18] <ajmitch> I guess so, I'm not entirely clear on what has been suggested
[06:18] <lifeless> uhm
[06:18] <lifeless> so the idea is that you can share storage between branches
[06:19] <lifeless> its not centralised in the sense of cvs or svn
[06:19] <lifeless> because if you delete the branch, then the revisions from that branch become orphans in the shared storage - you need to keep the individual branch to have something to do 'log' on
[06:20] <ajmitch> yes, I was assuming it was centralised on that box, rather than a central URL or similar
[06:20] <ajmitch> shared storage is a better name in that case
[06:25] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:38] <jblack>  Its a thought.
[06:40] <jblack> Interesting. He uses configs instead of just branching with a debian/ dir
[06:43] <jblack> Anyways, Have you guys talked to or seen people that could use bzr?
[07:43] <\sh> morning ajmitch :)
[07:43] <ajmitch> hi :)
[07:43] <ajmitch> I thought you were away for a week?
[07:43] <ajmitch> after flooding planet with your blog entries ;)
[07:44] <\sh> its not my blog
[07:44] <\sh> its the bloody planet software crap
[07:44] <ajmitch> I know
[07:44] <\sh> which does it sometimes
[07:45] <\sh> hmmm
[07:45] <\sh> the documentation on the juniper website is much better then the training materials here
[07:45] <ajmitch> ie, it's a waste of a week?
[07:46] <ajmitch> since you could do it better at home with a beer or two? :)
[07:46] <\sh> hehe....well..actually yes..I only need a M160 as playground..which I have here
[07:47] <\sh> most of the stuff is the same theory as on cisco...only the cli is different from ios...but even this was not a problem to let the junos crash
[07:48] <\sh> but ok....now it's breakfast time :) cu later during lunch break :)
[07:48] <ajmitch> bye :)
[08:59] <ivoks> 'morning
[09:10] <siretart> morning
[09:10] <siretart> hi ivoks
[09:11] <ivoks> hi
[09:11] <ivoks> siretart: you have upload rights, right?
[09:12] <siretart> ivoks: yes. why are you asking?
[09:12] <ivoks> if i create some debdiffs, could you upload sources?
[09:12] <siretart> err, yes, I could, if I were at home.
[09:13] <ivoks> :) ok
[09:13] <siretart> why are you asking?
[09:13] <ivoks> cause i can't upload :/
[09:13] <ivoks> how could I check if I can? :)
[09:13] <siretart> if it is urgent, I could sign them here on my laptop, scp them somewhere and upload from there
[09:14] <siretart> but thats somewhat unconvinient :/
[09:14] <ivoks> no, it's not urgent
[09:15] <siretart> ivoks: but since you are motu, why can't you upload?
[09:15] <ivoks> there were some problems with my CoC
[09:16] <siretart> ivoks: ah, same problems as slomo. I see
[09:16] <ivoks> two months after I became motu, my CoC was accepted
[09:16] <ivoks> so i don't know if elmo whitelisted my email too
[09:17] <siretart> ivoks: you are whitelisted
[09:17] <siretart> I see that on breezy-changes
[09:17] <ivoks> url? :)
[09:18] <siretart> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-August/009021.html
[09:19] <ivoks> thank you
[09:19] <siretart> uploaded and signed by dholbach
[09:19] <ivoks> one more question...
[09:19] <ivoks> we upload sources created with -S -sa (full source)?
[09:19] <siretart> only to revu
[09:20] <siretart> to ubuntu only with full source when there is no orig.tar.gz yet in the archive
[09:20] <siretart> thats an 'if and only if'
[09:20] <ivoks> well, i'm talking about GLU transition
[09:20] <siretart> I plan to implement something similar in revu2
[09:21] <Treenaks> rerevu
[09:21] <ivoks> then I have to upload only sources created with -S?
[09:21] <siretart> transitions generally don't include new upstream versions, so most probably a full sourceful upload is not required
[09:21] <siretart> Treenaks?
[09:21] <Treenaks> siretart: revu2: rerevu
[09:21] <siretart> ivoks: if the orig.gar.gz is already in the archive (most probably), yes
[09:22] <siretart> Treenaks: hehe
[09:22] <ivoks> it is...
[09:22] <ivoks> it's just fixing Depends: :)
[09:23] <ivoks> heh
[09:23] <ivoks> this is funny:
[09:23] <ivoks>  Set the target suite in debian/changelog to be 'hoary'. e.g. "dch -D breezy"
[09:24] <ivoks> hi dholbach
[09:24] <dholbach> hi
[09:24] <dholbach> hey ivoks :)
[09:24] <siretart> dholbach! :)
[09:24] <dholbach> woohoo! :)
[09:25] <tseng_> dholbach!
[09:25] <dholbach> brandon! :)
[09:33] <pef> hi
[09:37] <pef> why some packages approved in REVU aren't uploaded ?
[09:46] <Lathiat> pef: We are very busy getting universe in shape for breezy
[09:46] <Lathiat> pef: unfortuantely reviewing/uploading reviewed packages is on the backburner atm
[09:46] <Lathiat> We have a lot of work to do and probably not enough manpower to get it done so
[09:46] <dholbach> i'll have more time next week
[09:46] <Lathiat> we have to prioritise
[09:47] <dholbach> i'll try to catch up with stuff
[09:47] <ivoks> Lathiat: i'm working on GLUtransition right now... i need some hints :)
[09:47] <Lathiat> dholbach: do you know how i can do that debian thign that tells me any elftover files not installed ?
[09:47] <Lathiat> ivoks: cool what do you need?
[09:47] <Lathiat> dholbach: as in when building a pcakge, anythign after make install thats not in a .install file?
[09:47] <dholbach> Lathiat: what do you want exactly, i don't quite understand
[09:47] <ivoks> Lathiat: oneliner for changelog... do we have something strict or just note GLUtransition?
[09:47] <Lathiat> so i've udpated ross' avahi debain packages to 0.2
[09:48] <dholbach> Lathiat: i check the installed files with   dpkg -c package.deb
[09:48] <Lathiat> but we're now installing a few extra files
[09:48] <Lathiat> im sure there was somethign at some point that woudl print out a list of files not handled
[09:48] <Lathiat> ross mentioned somethign i forget what it is
[09:48] <Lathiat> ivoks: ermm, well either is fine really
[09:48] <Lathiat> ivoks: * Update build-deps for mesa transition would do
[09:48] <ivoks> and... how do I know if my uploads are accepted or droped? :)
[09:48] <ivoks> Lathiat: ok, thanks
[09:49] <Lathiat> when you upload (assumgin you ahve upload rights)
[09:49] <Lathiat> yuo get an email tellign you
[09:49] <Lathiat> if ti was accepted or dropped for some reason
[09:49] <Lathiat> (same heppens if someone uploads for you)
[09:49] <Lathiat> you need to be on the whitelist however
[09:49] <ivoks> ok, thath i didn't get, so that meens... :)
[09:49] <ivoks> ah well...
[09:49] <Lathiat> so
[09:49] <Lathiat> an email to breezy-changes will still happen
[09:49] <Lathiat> and then see if it appears in the archive or a failed build-log :)
[09:50] <Lathiat> email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and ask for yoru address to eb whitelisted
[09:50] <ivoks> well, i allready have one package signed with my PGP in the archive
[09:50] <ivoks> so, i'm kind of confused... on how many addresses i have to send my email/pgp? :)
[09:51] <Lathiat> ivoks: you have to send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>asking fo rthe email you use to sign packages be whitelisted
[09:51] <Lathiat> not sure if tahst happen automatically when your approved to upload
[09:52] <ivoks> Lathiat: i signed wifi-radar, but dholbach uploaded it, for example :)
[09:53] <dholbach> i signed it for the upload :)
[09:53] <ivoks> but ok, i'll notify/ask<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:53] <Lathiat> well signgin doesnt really have alot to do with it
[09:53] <Lathiat> as thye uploader signs in
[09:53] <Lathiat> *it
[09:53] <ivoks> dholbach: ah, ok :)
[09:53] <Lathiat> its what email is in the changelog entry
[09:53] <dholbach> yes
[09:54] <dholbach> when i sponsor an upload, i usually do      debuild -S (-sa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>   to sign it with my key
[09:54] <ivoks> ok...
[09:54] <ivoks> ah, i see...
[09:56] <siretart> this can also be configured in ~/.devscripts
[09:56] <siretart> btw
[09:56] <dholbach> i'm so glad we have siretart :)
[09:57] <ivoks> :)
[09:59] <Lathiat> soo who wants to test avahi packages
[09:59] <dholbach> are there any kubuntu guys in here? somebody who'd like to take care of creating a kde/kubuntu team in launchpad?
[09:59] <tseng_> we have a mono team!
[09:59] <Lathiat> \sh perhaps?
[10:00] <dholbach> tseng_: and i assigned all the bugs to you? sorry for that
[10:00] <tseng_> dholbach: i just made it
[10:00] <tseng_> dholbach: the bugs are fine
[10:01] <dholbach> tseng_: ok... will assign them to the team next time
[10:01] <dholbach> we should have a brief list of the launchpad aliases on MOTUTeams or somewhere
[10:01] <dholbach> or we could create a DeBuggingUniverse page
[10:02] <dholbach> no volunteers? ;)
[10:05] <ajmitch> heh
[10:05] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[10:05] <dholbach> hey andrew - how's it going? :)
[10:06] <ajmitch> alright
[10:06] <ajmitch> how are you?
[10:07] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you have avahi crack for me?
[10:07] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yo
[10:07] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ya
[10:07] <ajmitch> sweet
[10:07] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ross seems to be hiding.. so i updated them myself :)
[10:07] <ajmitch> heh
[10:07] <ajmitch> send them this way
[10:07] <dholbach> ajmitch: still busy with preparing the presentation of my thesis (still something left to hack) and a project with my dad - apart from that, i'm fine :)
[10:07] <Lathiat> just pbuildering them
[10:08] <ajmitch> yay
[10:09] <ivoks> hi doko
[10:15] <Lathiat> hwo do i generate a Sources and Packages file
[10:16] <pef> Lathiat: ok, thanks for the info :)
[10:17] <Lathiat> pef: nps :) and sorry :(
[10:19] <ajmitch> Lathiat: apt-ftparchive
[10:19] <ajmitch> or use mini-dinstall
[10:23] <ajmitch> rock, f-spot bug happens consistently on breezy
[10:23] <ajmitch> but doesn't show up at all on sid, with the same package ;)
[10:23] <Lathiat> ajmitch: http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/ ./
[10:24] <ajmitch> Lathiat: may I shoot you now?
[10:24] <Lathiat> why ?
[10:25] <ajmitch> dude, don't do native packaging with non-native version numbers :)
[10:25] <Lathiat> err
[10:25] <ajmitch> you're missing .orig.tar.gz & diff.gz
[10:25] <Lathiat> oh i broke it by moving thigns around
[10:25] <Lathiat> so how do i do it first run?
[10:25] <Lathiat> i dont do packages from scratch :)
[10:26] <ajmitch> copy your upstream tarball to avahi_0.2.orig.tar.gz
[10:26] <ajmitch> the rest of the magic flows from there
[10:26] <Lathiat> and rerun debuild?
[10:26] <ajmitch> yep
[10:27] <Lathiat> ooh k
[10:27] <ajmitch> dpkg-source will make a diff.gz
[10:27] <ajmitch> as long as you don't kill the avahi-0.2 dir
[10:29] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ok thats better
[10:29] <Lathiat> i have a diff.gz now
[10:30] <ajmitch> great
[10:30] <ajmitch> now I can start reviewing :)
[10:30] <Lathiat> hangon
[10:30] <Lathiat> rebuilding and then will upload ;p
[10:30] <ajmitch> thanks..
[10:30] <ajmitch> you don't need to build binaries for me to review
[10:30] <ajmitch> since I won't install them :)
[10:31] <Lathiat> yeh but i want to give them to people to try anyawy so hangon ;p
[10:31] <Lathiat> spose i can start uploading the source now
[10:31] <ajmitch> please do
[10:31] <ajmitch> maybe I can recruit dholbach to review them as well
[10:31] <ajmitch> so we have the token 2 MOTU vote ;)
[10:31] <dholbach> next week
[10:32] <ajmitch> hm, I'll have to get someone else, or an exception
[10:34] <Lathiat> ok uploaded
[10:34] <Lathiat> ergh
[10:34] <Lathiat> hangon
[10:34] <pef> Lathiat: you can add homepage to debian/control description
[10:34] <ajmitch> Lathiat: ugh..
[10:34] <ajmitch> come on :)
[10:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch: hold on ;p
[10:34] <Lathiat> pef: hm ok
[10:38] <ajmitch> Lathiat: now?
[10:38] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yep now
[10:39] <ajmitch> do you mean /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2, or /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2.1 ?
[10:40] <Lathiat> hm
[10:40] <ajmitch> only real change is library->lesser in that license
[10:41] <ajmitch> dropped all patches, but still have avahi-dnsconfd-crash.patch ?
[10:41] <Lathiat> err yeh i adde da new one
[10:41] <pef> Lathiat: and the revision number in debian/changelog doesn't seems to be right ;) missing ubuntu-1
[10:41] <Lathiat> probably should ahve mentioend that
[10:41] <Lathiat> pef: suppose it shoudl be 0ubuntu1
[10:41] <ajmitch> version number really ought to be -0ubuntu1 for breezt
[10:41] <ajmitch> since it won't be the same binary as hits sid
[10:41] <Lathiat>  avahi is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
[10:41] <Lathiat>   under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as
[10:41] <Lathiat>   published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1 of the
[10:41] <Lathiat> so its 2.1
[10:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch: whcih file is that mentioned in?
[10:42] <ajmitch> debian/copyright, last line
[10:42] <Lathiat> got it
[10:44] <ajmitch> and I still think that it's good to build-dep on debhelper >= 4.2.28 for python2.4 support
[10:44] <ajmitch> clarifies things for backporters
[10:44] <Lathiat> ok
[10:45] <Lathiat> libdbus-1-dev (>= 0.30)
[10:45] <Lathiat> would that be the right syntax ?
[10:45] <Lathiat> x?
[10:45] <ajmitch> yes
[10:45] <Lathiat> given say 0.30.1-1ubuntu1
[10:46] <ajmitch> since you *need* 0.30
[10:46] <Lathiat> right
[10:46] <Lathiat> whats misc:Depends do
[10:46] <ajmitch> miscellaneous depends :)
[10:46] <Lathiat> yeh but what are they :)
[10:47] <ajmitch> oops, looks like i borked my dependencies..
[10:54] <Lathiat> hrm at a guess i missed a file in avahi-utils so if avahi-discover doesnt work gimme a sec
[10:57] <dholbach> brb
[10:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ok no i didnt
[10:59] <Lathiat> it was picked up by a wildcard
[11:00] <ajmitch> oh good
[11:00] <Lathiat> so anyway if you install it, restart dbus, and run avahi-discover you should get love
[11:00] <ajmitch> just finishing the build now
[11:00] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh well we cant help that
[11:01] <Lathiat> cus you need a new file to tell it avahi si ok to connect
[11:01] <ajmitch> f-bus! ;)
[11:01] <Lathiat> and i cant find anyway to ask ti to reload such files
[11:01] <Lathiat> so.. the situation sucks
[11:01] <ajmitch> go the traditional free software way - fork dbus
[11:01] <Lathiat> heh
[11:03] <ajmitch> waiting ever so patiently for it to install..
[11:07] <ajmitch> ok, galeon must die
[11:07] <Lathiat> heh
[11:07] <ajmitch> > 600MB
[11:27] <Lathiat> ajmitch: 600M?
[11:27] <Lathiat> as in memory usage? ;p
[11:31] <ajmitch> Lathiat: correct
[11:31] <ajmitch> so I just closed it
[11:31] <Lathiat> heh
[11:31] <Lathiat> nice
[11:31] <Lathiat> and everythign got faster? ;p
[11:31] <ajmitch> and regained a whole lot of ram & swap
[11:32] <Lathiat> and 640M in my other box
[11:35] <Lathiat> ... at 10?
[11:35] <ajmitch> the night is young
[11:35] <Lathiat> hrhr
[11:35] <Lathiat> hehe
[11:38] <ajmitch> hi Nafallo
[11:38] <ajmitch> Lathiat: well I've hardly done any ubuntu stuff today
[11:38] <ajmitch> no uploads yet :)
[11:38] <Nafallo> morning ajmitch :-)
[11:38] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[11:40] <ajmitch> Lathiat: so when will avahi be good for real work? ;)
[11:40] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ... now?
[11:40] <ajmitch> and why do I only see ipv4 addresses show up in avahi-discover?
[11:40] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ipv6 is off in the config by default
[11:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch: see /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf
[11:41] <ajmitch> Lathiat: when will it be usable as part of the desktop?
[11:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ... now ?
[11:41] <ajmitch> I mean things like being able to see other network services from nautilus, other gnome apps
[11:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch: well
[11:42] <ajmitch> or even kde for those who swing that way :)
[11:42] <Lathiat> nautilus is actaully gnomevfs
[11:42] <Lathiat> that hasnt been done yet but will soon
[11:42] <Lathiat> theres patches for gnomemeeting
[11:42] <Lathiat> theres an applet you can use on your panel to show services available and launch an ssh session or web browser
[11:42] <Lathiat> other stuff is a matter of people doing it
[11:42] <ajmitch> is that applet packaged?
[11:42] <Lathiat> also jakubS who wrote the zeroconf stuff in kde
[11:42] <Lathiat> has been porting it to use avahi
[11:43] <ajmitch> yay, avahi-discover doesn't want to show a thing now
[11:43] <Lathiat> which means kde will automatically support it
[11:43] <Lathiat> including network services etc (because it already does)
[11:43] <Lathiat> ajmitch: hrm what happened?
[11:43] <ajmitch> good
[11:43] <ajmitch> I restarted the daemon
[11:43] <Lathiat> oh youll have to restart avahi-discover
[11:43] <ajmitch> and it was taking awhile to repopulate the display
[11:43] <ajmitch> ajmitch.local/2001:388:c004:1:2c0:dfff:fe02:9ab0:9Interface: eth0 IPv6
[11:43] <ajmitch> ok..
[11:43] <Lathiat> oh yeh it takes a few seconds to establish its hostnhame and services
[11:44] <ajmitch> so ipv6 is working
[11:44] <Lathiat> ajmitch: whast the problem?
[11:44] <Lathiat> has to check for conflicts etc
[11:44] <ajmitch> nothing, I'm just being curious :)
[11:44] <Lathiat> ah ok
[11:44] <ajmitch> seeing how I might use this
[11:44] <Lathiat> install it on your other machines
[11:44] <Lathiat> and then
[11:44] <Lathiat> scp blah other.local:
[11:44] <Lathiat> :)
[11:44] <ajmitch> how does the protocol discover services?
[11:44] <Lathiat> combined with libnss-mdns
[11:44] <ajmitch> does it use broadcast?
[11:44] <Lathiat> ajmitch: techncially?
[11:45] <Lathiat> multicast
[11:45] <ajmitch> yes, technically
[11:45] <Lathiat> hence "Multicast DNS Service Discovery"
[11:45] <ajmitch> right
[11:45] <Lathiat> on a lan its usually petty much the same
[11:45] <Lathiat> but allows things like
[11:45] <Lathiat> not having your network card wake the OS up
[11:45] <ajmitch> wan0 here is a ethernet over udp 'tunnel'
[11:45] <Lathiat> if its not subscribed
[11:45] <Lathiat> is it a POINTOPOINT interface?
[11:45] <ajmitch> sadly I don't see any other services on there
[11:45] <ajmitch> no
[11:45] <Lathiat> avahi ignores those
[11:46] <ajmitch> ethernet over udp
[11:46] <Lathiat> ah, does it use it?
[11:46] <ajmitch> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1280  Metric:1
[11:46] <ajmitch> yes, it uses it
[11:46] <ajmitch> just doesn't show anyone else ;)
[11:46] <Lathiat> cool..
[11:46] <ajmitch> which isn't a surprise
[11:46] <Lathiat> ... because no one else is on it? ;p
[11:47] <ajmitch> obviously noone is silly enough to use a mac or some other service ;)
[11:48] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/discovery.png
[11:48] <Lathiat> thats at my uni
[11:48] <ajmitch> not many
[11:48] <Lathiat> yeh onjly on 1 AP
[11:48] <ajmitch> booting some of the macs at uni takes an age because of the number of things they discover
[11:49] <ajmitch> otago uni's network is a shocker ;)
[11:49] <Lathiat> ...
[11:49] <Lathiat> having lots of services slows a mac booting?
[11:49] <ajmitch> when you are discovering a few hundred or more printers around campus...
[11:49] <ajmitch> the whole thing is 1 large broadcast domain
[11:49] <Lathiat> hmm
[11:49] <Lathiat> thats ugly
[11:49] <ajmitch> very
[11:49] <Lathiat> i suppose
[11:50] <Lathiat> if their pritners
[11:50] <ajmitch> someone plugged in an AP into a live ethernet port
[11:50] <Lathiat> macosx probably configures itself
[11:50] <j^> slomo what would be the next step to get the new version of NetworkManager in universe?
[11:50] <ajmitch> which had a dhcp server on it
[11:50] <Lathiat> ajmitch: and iut was useless ? :P
[11:50] <ajmitch> the AP caused widespread network disruption
[11:50] <Lathiat> ah
[11:50] <Lathiat> heh
[11:50] <dholbach> j^: better ask in #ubuntu-devel what the current plans are - there are issues with getting it working
[11:50] <ajmitch> j^: upload it to REVU & we'll look at it
[11:50] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco
[11:51] <jsgotangco> hey all
[11:51] <ajmitch> dholbach: such as?
[11:51] <ajmitch> Lathiat: hah nice, you have the bzr repo there :)
[11:52] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh :)
[11:52] <ajmitch> so you can advertise a specific url?
[11:52] <StrikeForce> Can anyone confirm on x86 digikam installs fine?
[11:52] <dholbach> ajmitch: as i said: ask in #ubuntu-devel - i didn't have a look at it yet
[11:52] <jsgotangco> oh! so playing with bzr
[11:52] <StrikeForce> I tried it today
[11:52] <dholbach> ajmitch: :)
[11:52] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yup
[11:52] <StrikeForce> and it seemed to install.
[11:52] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: sure, I'm getting people hooked
[11:52] <Lathiat> ajmitch: path= in the text records
[11:52] <ajmitch> sweet
[11:52] <StrikeForce> yet it is still listed as unmet dependancies
[11:52] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: sell it to me now while i fix my baz experience
[11:52] <j^> ajmitch ok its in revu.tauware.de:/incoming
[11:52] <ajmitch> unmet deps can also be for Suggests: or Recommends:
[11:53] <Lathiat> apt-cache -i unmet
[11:53] <Lathiat> to get rid fo those
[11:53] <StrikeForce> also bittornado relies on a virtual package whats the go with that
[11:53] <StrikeForce> do I edit it then upload it?
[11:53] <dholbach> StrikeForce: do a    ExpicitPackageName | VirtualPackageName  ?
[11:54] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[11:54] <dholbach> StrikeForce: like    exim | mail-transport-agent
[11:54] <Lathiat> StrikeForce: ... what virtual package? just depends on pyuthon here...
[11:54] <Lathiat> also i seem to have broken gnome-screenshot
[11:54] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: it depends on python..
[11:54] <StrikeForce> nope
[11:54] <StrikeForce> libwxgtk2.4
[11:54] <StrikeForce> I mean it depends on python as well but thats fine
[11:55] <Lathiat> ah tahts btitornado-gui
[11:55] <ajmitch> are we looking at the same package here? :)
[11:55] <ajmitch> right..
[11:55] <StrikeForce> yeah
[11:55] <StrikeForce> sorry bittornado is fine
[11:55] <StrikeForce> bittorando-gui is the issue
[11:55] <ajmitch> libwxgtk2.4-python should be python-wxgtk2.4
[11:55] <ajmitch> and fixed to select the right wx version if necessary
[11:56] <StrikeForce> but do I fix it?
[11:56] <StrikeForce> and upload it or is someone doing it?
[11:56] <Lathiat> oh yeh
[11:57] <Lathiat> metacity crashed right as the gimp bought a window up
[11:57] <Lathiat> ... and nwo tw the window isnt on my desktop
[11:58] <Lathiat> hrm somethigns broken nothigns working now
[11:59] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[11:59] <ivoks> hi ajmitch
[12:00] <ivoks> just checking email...
[12:00] <ivoks> i'm late with my ADSL payment :)
[12:00] <Lathiat> ajmitch: so yeh install libnss-mdns for extra love
[12:01] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, got that installed
[12:01] <ajmitch> not that it'll do much good here at the moment
[12:01] <Lathiat> and added mdns4 to /etc/nsswitch.conf
[12:01] <ivoks> hm...
[12:01] <Lathiat> ping ajmitch.local ? ;p
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[12:01] <Lathiat> and then install it on your server :)
[12:01] <Lathiat> ivoks: <lilo> set umode +E!
[12:01] <Lathiat> and then
[12:02] <Lathiat> not here a word from anyone, even in channels, thats no identified
[12:02] <ajmitch> Lathiat: this is my 'server'
[12:02] <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh you dont have another box?
[12:02] <ivoks> jesus... i got 5 spams
[12:02] <ajmitch> I do have other boxes
[12:02] <ajmitch> 1 other breezy box that runs 24/7
[12:02] <ajmitch> sarge downstairs
[12:02] <ajmitch> part-time hoary/OSX box ;)
[12:02] <Lathiat> heh
[12:02] <jsgotangco> where is the windows 2003 box? :)
[12:03] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: buy me one
[12:03] <ajmitch> there are a couple of win XP boxes here as well
[12:03] <ajmitch> flatmates
[12:03] <Lathiat> get them to install itunes and turn sharing on and avahi-browse _daap._tcp :)
[12:03] <ajmitch> haha
[12:04] <jsgotangco> i'll be speaking to 200 students tommorow about free software and will probably show them breezy
[12:04] <ajmitch> the other OSX box is on wireless
[12:04] <ivoks> ubuntu-unrreged?
[12:04] <ajmitch> so different subnet
[12:04] <ivoks> wtf?!
[12:04] <ivoks> unregged
[12:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: is that reflector working right yet? :)
[12:04] <jsgotangco> ivoks: we got spammed
[12:04] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh thats fixed
[12:04] <ajmitch> great
[12:04] <Lathiat> if you need to run it on a non breezy box
[12:04] <ivoks> but i'm registred user
[12:04] <Lathiat> youll have to compile it without dbus
[12:04] <ajmitch> what are the requirements for running just that?
[12:04] <Lathiat> as itl run without dbus but
[12:05] <Lathiat> the breezy package deps on libdbus
[12:05] <Lathiat> ajmitch: err
[12:05] <Lathiat> ajmitch: libdaemon-dev
[12:05] <Lathiat> and thats it
[12:05] <ajmitch> can I specify what interfaces it can use?
[12:05] <Lathiat> hrm
[12:05] <Lathiat> good question
[12:05] <ajmitch> please say yes
[12:05] <Lathiat> i dont think so, thats on my todo list
[12:05] <ajmitch> or hack that in ASAP :)
[12:05] <ajmitch> before I get annoyed & hack it in myself
[12:05] <Lathiat> heh
[12:05] <Lathiat> why do you need that?
[12:05] <Lathiat> (ooc)
[12:05] <ajmitch> so that it doesn't try & use the DSL line
[12:06] <Lathiat> it wont
[12:06] <Lathiat> as its POINTOPOINT right?
[12:06] <ajmitch> true
[12:06] <StrikeForce> apt-cache -i package doesn't seem to work?
[12:06] <Lathiat> and if you ahve an ethernet interface its connected to
[12:06] <Lathiat> as long as it doesnt have an IP it will ignore it
[12:06] <dholbach> StrikeForce: apt-cache -i unmet   ?
[12:06] <ajmitch> right
[12:06] <Lathiat> if it has an ip.. that sucks :) i'll do that for 0.2
[12:06] <Lathiat> err
[12:06] <Lathiat> 0.3
[12:06] <ajmitch> it has ppp0, eth0 & eth1 :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> nice & simple
[12:07] <ajmitch> Need to get 571MB/584MB of archives.
[12:07] <Lathiat> same as my gatweay
[12:07] <ajmitch> yay
[12:07] <StrikeForce> yeah sorry
[12:07] <StrikeForce> got it
[12:07] <StrikeForce> I tried grep bittornado but it shows the line above it :(
[12:09] <Lathiat> mm CC meeting in 10 hours or so
[12:09] <Lathiat> should update m wiki page
[12:09] <ajmitch> ah yes, TB is next week
[12:09] <Lathiat> ok
[12:09] <Lathiat> foudn out why nothign was working
[12:09] <Lathiat> gam
[12:10] <Lathiat> in ahs locked up
[12:10] <Lathiat> *gamin had locked up
[12:10] <Lathiat> so thigns hung tryign to connect to the socket
[12:10] <ajmitch> nasty
[12:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: so how do I use the reflector once I've compiled this? :)
[12:12] <Lathiat> enable-reflector=yes
[12:12] <Lathiat> and start the daemon
[12:12] <ajmitch> ok
[12:12] <Lathiat> ?
[12:12] <ajmitch> compiling from source isn't as much fun
[12:13] <ajmitch> I could always just use the packages instead, and disable half the stuff
[12:13] <StrikeForce> got it working
[12:13] <StrikeForce> should I update the changelog?
[12:13] <Lathiat> shoudl be abel to just drop the dbus deps off
[12:13] <StrikeForce> bittornado-gui that is?
[12:13] <Lathiat> adn it will build without it
[12:14] <StrikeForce> its not a compile issue but a use issue
[12:14] <siretart> j^: your upload to review was rejected because you are not in the revu keyring
[12:14] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: yes, you must change the changelog if you make changes
[12:14] <StrikeForce> also is there a way of putting the time stamp in the changelog without removing everything else?
[12:15] <ajmitch> and you have to put a new version in the changelog
[12:15] <StrikeForce> yeah I did that ajmitch but how do you do the time and date stamp?
[12:15] <StrikeForce> also all I did was this python-wxgtk2.4 | libwxgtk2.4-1-python
[12:15] <Lathiat> StrikeForce: you use dch
[12:16] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: yes, but you made a change, so you have to note that change
[12:16] <ajmitch> Lathiat: btw, I said debhelper 4.2.28 :)
[12:16] <StrikeForce> yeah I will note that thats fine
[12:16] <Lathiat> ajmitch: err, what did i put
[12:17] <ajmitch> 4.1.28
[12:17] <Lathiat> oh
[12:18] <siretart> ok. network-manager is on revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514
[12:20] <ajmitch> sigh, it doesn't just happily accept that I don't have gtk+ installed
[12:20] <Lathiat> ajmitch:
[12:20] <Lathiat> oh
[12:20] <Lathiat> ajmitch: --disable-dbus --disable-gtk --disable-glib
[12:21] <Lathiat> its all explicit
[12:21] <Lathiat> so the user is aware
[12:21] <ajmitch> I know
[12:21] <ajmitch> but it's still annoying
[12:21] <ajmitch> because I have to remember the right place to put that in cdbs ;)
[12:22] <Lathiat> DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --disable-dbus --disable-gtk --disable-glib
[12:22] <ajmitch> I know, it just took me a few seconds to recall
[12:23] <Lathiat> ;p
[12:23] <ajmitch> I'm not senile yet :)
[12:26] <ajmitch> compiling on this sarge box is painful
[12:28] <ajmitch> Lathiat: the worst part is having to read configure.ac to see what else I can turn off :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> I'd think that --disable-gtk would be enough for it to not try pygtk as well
[12:34] <koke> niran: BTW you were developing gnome-app-install in your bazaar branch?
[12:36] <niran> right
[12:36] <niran> gnome-app-install--breezy
[12:36] <niran> at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:37] <niran> ack
[12:37] <niran> at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:38] <koke> hmm, but don't you sync with the one in cvs.gnome.org?
[12:38] <koke> gtp people is translating there
[12:38] <niran> oh.
[12:38] <niran> hmm...
[12:38] <niran> i don't have commit access
[12:38] <koke> now I think it's late because it's string freeze in gnome
[12:39] <niran> oops, i'll remember that for next time
[12:39] <niran> is there a way to get it into rosetta?
[12:40] <koke> I guess so, but if it's in gnome cvs, gtp will translate it
[12:40] <koke> unless you tell them otherwise
[12:41] <koke> it would be nice to have it auto-synced
[12:41] <koke> and let gtp people translate it
[12:41] <niran> right, that'd be ideal
[12:41] <niran> i just didn't know about it
 koke: yes, that's pretty bad. I need to reimport the current code into cvs
[12:42] <koke> :D
[12:44] <StrikeForce>  debhelper (>> 4.1.67) is that ok?
[12:44] <StrikeForce> and what standards version are we up to?
[12:44] <StrikeForce> I forget :(
[12:45] <dholbach> StrikeForce: first 3 digits of dpkg -l debian-policy
[12:46] <StrikeForce> dholbach: Thanks
[12:46] <StrikeForce> dholbach: Do I just upload it now?
[12:47] <dholbach> StrikeForce: i don't know what you're up to... but if you want to upload a package to REVU - sure go ahead
[12:47] <StrikeForce> dholbach: All I've done is downloaded bittornado and fixed a dendancy issue.
[12:48] <dholbach> StrikeForce: if you explained it all in debian/changelog - sure go ahead
[12:50] <slomo> good morning :)
[12:50] <ajmitch> morning slomo
[12:50] <slomo> j^: ping?
[12:52] <StrikeForce> dholbach: run is as -f to force the issue?
[12:52] <slomo> Lathiat: were can i find the avahi packages?
[12:52] <StrikeForce> as in dput -f?
[12:52] <Lathiat> slomo: http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/
[12:52] <j^> slomo i was just wondering what the next steps for nm would be, its uploaded now to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514
[12:52] <Lathiat> deb http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/ ./
[12:52] <dholbach> StrikeForce: i never used dput -f
[12:52] <StrikeForce> Uploading via ftp bittornado_0.3.11-4ubuntu4.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of bittornado_0.3.11-4ubuntu4.dsc
[12:52] <StrikeForce> Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.
[12:52] <StrikeForce>       For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used
[12:52] <StrikeForce>       to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.
[12:53] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, i'll try later, thanks :) wanted to try seb128's panel applet for some time now ;)
[12:53] <Lathiat> slomo: ah cool
[12:53] <Lathiat> slomo: im goign to package that too
[12:54] <j^> Lathiat nice to see avahi in ubuntu soon
[12:54] <Lathiat> j^ yup :)
[12:54] <ajmitch> soon...
[12:54] <ajmitch> once it passes the reviewing gauntlet
[12:54] <Lathiat> .. maybe... i can review it myself tomorrow? ;p
[12:55] <ajmitch> Lathiat: iirc, rules are that the packager doesn't put in a vote ;)
[12:55] <Lathiat> bah
[12:55] <Lathiat> oh oh
[12:55] <Lathiat> i didnt package it
[12:55] <Lathiat> ross did/ ;p
[12:55] <Lathiat> i just modified it ;p
[12:55] <StrikeForce> how do I get rid of the error unsafe ownership of configuration file for gpg.conf?
[12:56] <ivoks> StrikeForce: chown it :)
[12:56] <slomo> j^: find 2 motu to vote for you :) you'll get my vote when just change one small thing: build-depend on automake1.7... as that is what is called by autogen.sh
[12:57] <dholbach> autogen run on the buildd?
[12:57] <dholbach> ha... lunch :)
[12:57] <StrikeForce> ivoks: chown it as root?
[12:58] <slomo> dholbach: yes... see query ;)
[12:58] <StrikeForce> ivoks: its already chown'ed to me?
[12:58] <ivoks> StrikeForce: i don't know where that file is and what you are talking about
[12:59] <j^> slomo i have 1.9 installed so i know that works, though it should work with 1.7, never tested that though
[12:59] <slomo> j^: 1.7 is called anyway afaik... at least that is how i remember gnome-autogen.sh worked... wait a second ;)
[01:00] <StrikeForce> ivoks: ~/gnupg/gpg.conf
[01:00] <slomo> ivoks: i heard you had the same problem as me with the upload rights? problems with CoC?
[01:01] <ivoks> slomo: yes, that problem is fixed
[01:01] <ivoks> StrikeForce: and what package has that file?
[01:01] <ivoks> StrikeForce: sorry, didn't capture that ~ :)
[01:01] <StrikeForce> ivoks: no I'm getting that error when I sign packages
[01:01] <slomo> siretart: revu is broken ;) when i try to download a diff, orig.tar.gz or dsc i get forbidden
[01:02] <slomo> ivoks: oh ok... i don't know if it is fixed for me as elmo doesn't answer ;)
[01:02] <ivoks> slomo: mdz should answer
[01:02] <ivoks> slomo: i send signed email containing CoC
[01:03] <slomo> ivoks: me too... more than one time ;)
[01:03] <ivoks> slomo: and i should have sent signed CoC inside email :)
[01:03] <ivoks> slomo: lol, that's wrong :)
[01:03] <ivoks> slomo: you did my mistake :)
[01:03] <slomo> ivoks: no i've misread you ;) i sent a signed mail with signed CoC ;)
[01:03] <StrikeForce> beautiful I'm not the only one having issues with revu
[01:03] <slomo> ivoks: and that more than one time
[01:03] <janimo> any kind reviewers for xubuntu-meta?
[01:03] <ivoks> slomo: ah, that's ok
[01:04] <ivoks> StrikeForce: paste error to query
[01:04] <slomo> ivoks: so mdz can be asked whether he got a signed CoC?
[01:04] <slomo> j^: is your package somewhere else? revu is broken atm :/
[01:05] <ivoks> slomo: when i asked for upload rights, elmo said i had some issues with CoC (did't say what kind of issues :). then i sent right signed CoC, and mako (sorry, not mdz, but mako) told me now it's ok... i never heard from elmo again
[01:05] <j^> slomo http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/ 0ubuntu4
[01:05] <ivoks> slomo: so i sent email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>today, again....
[01:05] <StrikeForce> ivoks: you mean the error with revu?
[01:06] <ivoks> StrikeForce: revu has nothing with that :)
[01:06] <slomo> ivoks: yeah... i sent my signed-CoC-mails to elmo and CC mako... and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:06] <slomo> ivoks: you can upload now?
[01:06] <ivoks> slomo: not yet, i'm waiting for confirmation
[01:06] <StrikeForce> ivoks: ok now I know what your talking about :) I will hang on just generating it again
[01:07] <ivoks> StrikeForce: gpg.conf shoudl have chomod 600 ; chown $user.$group
[01:08] <slomo> ivoks: ok, then get together with me and Mitario ;) we want to talk to him later when he's there
[01:08] <ivoks> slomo: sure
[01:09] <ivoks> who knows, maybe we see him at the meeting
[01:09] <slomo> Mitario: ping?
[01:10] <StrikeForce> ivoks: it is which is why i'm surprised as to why I'm getting the error?  Could it be because I'm using sudo and yet signing it as a user?
[01:10] <ivoks> slomo: elmo is here
[01:10] <j^> is there a way to add nm-applet to the default session?
[01:10] <ivoks> StrikeForce: sure
[01:10] <ivoks> StrikeForce: why do you use sudo?!
[01:10] <ivoks> StrikeForce: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
[01:11] <StrikeForce> I do it this way dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -k(gpgid)
[01:12] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: I do that once I have the .dsc file to double check
[01:12] <StrikeForce> I'm probably about face on the logic
[01:12] <ajmitch> I get the dsc from debuild -S
[01:12] <StrikeForce> I'm still new to packaging
[01:12] <ajmitch> and only build binaries in pbuilder now
[01:12] <ajmitch> due to the potential for inadvertant damage
[01:13] <StrikeForce> by the looks of it I'm way outta whack
[01:13] <ajmitch> you're close enough
[01:13] <slomo> ivoks: ok, asked him ;) but when he is in the same mood as everytime i ask him he will just ignore or say "no"
[01:13] <StrikeForce> well bittorrent and bittornado and the gui's sections are completed just need to upload them
[01:13] <ivoks> slomo: sometimes he's in a good mode :)
[01:14] <StrikeForce> all I've done is just the unmet dependancies section
[01:14] <StrikeForce> I'll worry about the versions later
[01:14] <ivoks> slomo: you see, he didn't ignore you :))
[01:14] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: if you have a few minutes can you check digikam
[01:14] <slomo> ivoks: wonderfull... the first positive thing today ;)
[01:14] <StrikeForce> I tried it today and it installed fine
[01:15] <StrikeForce> yet its still in the unmet section?
[01:15] <ajmitch> that could be because of another architecture
[01:15] <ajmitch> since the list was built on an amd64 box
[01:15] <StrikeForce> I should say it was on the wiki page but its not in the apt-cache -i unmet section :(
[01:15] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[01:15] <StrikeForce> me being i686
[01:16] <ajmitch> or someone uploaded it (riddell) on the 13th
[01:16] <ajmitch> but didn't edit the wiki page
[01:16] <StrikeForce> fair enough
[01:17] <siretart> debdiffing broken?
[01:17] <StrikeForce> I'm not sure siretart: I've just started received errors from dput?
[01:17] <siretart> err, huh?
[01:17] <siretart> StrikeForce: did you adjust your dput.cf?
[01:18] <StrikeForce> siretart: error permission denied?
[01:18] <StrikeForce> yeah siretart: it uploads all of them then just before it completes it generates an error?
[01:18] <StrikeForce> siretart: IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/usr/src/bittornado/bittornado_0.3.11-4ubuntu4_i386.upload'
[01:18] <siretart> StrikeForce: do you upload to /incoming or /?
[01:19] <StrikeForce> to /incoming
[01:20] <ivoks> siretart: you are to blame :)
[01:20] <siretart> thats really strange..
[01:20] <StrikeForce> siretart: I'm not sure why its the last section that generates the error its not the uploading part
[01:20] <ivoks> siretart: you don't double check your uploads and then elmo delays upload rights to other MOTUs :)))
[01:21] <siretart> err. there are 2 bittornado uploads successfully accepted in revu
[01:21] <siretart> I still don't get the problems
[01:21] <Mitario_> hello hello
[01:21] <StrikeForce> siretart: those are mine yet its still generating the error hence I re-tried?
[01:21] <siretart> ivoks: that libxp thingy was my fault. right. sorry
[01:21] <StrikeForce> siretart: can you delete one or do I do that?
[01:21] <ivoks> siretart: no need to apologize
[01:22] <slomo> j^: NM is fine for me... gnome-autogen.sh tries 1.7, 1.8 and then finds 1.9
[01:23] <siretart> StrikeForce: what shall I delete? the upload queue / ~/ftp/incoming is empty!
[01:24] <slomo> j^: you only need 1 MOTU... as it is an update and no NEW package ;)
[01:24] <Mitario_> is elmo awake again?
[01:24] <StrikeForce> siretart: 1 of the 2 bittornado's
[01:24] <dholbach> Mitario_: yes
[01:24] <StrikeForce> there the same package just got errors
[01:24] <Mitario_> wohoo!
[01:24] <slomo> Mitario: he said...
[01:24] <Mitario_> dholbach, hi btw :)
[01:24] <StrikeForce> siretart: would it help you if I pm'ed you the error?
[01:24] <Mitario_> dholbach, I saw you finished your thesis?
[01:24] <slomo> Mitario: <elmo> slomo: I'll look at it when I'm caught up
[01:24] <dholbach> hi Mitario_ :)
[01:24] <Lathiat> slomo: sure its not a local permission problem after you did a sudo something?
[01:24] <Lathiat> find . -uid 0 ?
[01:25] <Mitario_> slomo, oki
[01:25] <slomo> Lathiat: ?
[01:25] <dholbach> Mitario_: yes - have presentation/defense on friday
[01:25] <Lathiat> err
[01:25] <Lathiat> StrikeForce: !
[01:25] <Lathiat> StrikeForce: i meant to say that to you :)
[01:25] <Mitario_> slomo, well i mailed him last week, so I hope he reads it :)
[01:25] <siretart> StrikeForce: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=516
[01:25] <Mitario_> dholbach, ahh. nice :) have a good feeling about it?
[01:25] <siretart> StrikeForce: isn't that your latest upload?
[01:25] <StrikeForce> yeah
[01:25] <slomo> Mitario: i asked for your, ivok's and my upload rights... so maybe he'll look at it later ;)
[01:25] <StrikeForce> well there should only be one bittornado
[01:25] <StrikeForce> I only see one
[01:26] <StrikeForce> does that mean its worked
[01:26] <dholbach> Mitario_: still *cough* some *cough* things to do
[01:26] <StrikeForce> because I"m still getting the error when I'm using dput?
[01:26] <Mitario_> heh hmm
[01:26] <ajmitch> dholbach: we look forward to your return ;)
[01:26] <siretart> StrikeForce: err, I think ist perfectly ok on revu side
[01:26] <dholbach> ajmitch: thanks for that, me too
[01:26] <StrikeForce> so its my dput thats causing the grief siretart ?
[01:26] <ajmitch> dholbach: we won't crack the wjip too hard
[01:26] <ivoks> slomo: ivoks's
[01:26] <ajmitch> s/wjip/whip/
[01:26] <ivoks> slomo: :)
[01:26] <dholbach> haha :)
[01:26] <StrikeForce> btw can I have some people look at the 2 packages I just uploaded to fix the unmet dependancies?
[01:27] <siretart> StrikeForce: I think so. I see your upload was perfectly accepted, and I don't see any errors on revu
[01:27] <StrikeForce> wierd?
[01:27] <slomo> ivoks: oh sorry... but that should be ivoks', shouldn't it? ;)
[01:27] <ivoks> slomo: possibly
[01:27] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: you probably uploaded as root, and tried to re-upload as a user
[01:27] <ivoks> slomo: i didn't learn english at all
[01:28] <StrikeForce> probably :(
[01:28] <StrikeForce> stupid me
[01:28] <Mitario_> dholbach, btw, could you add me to the motu team in launchpad? or is that for special purposes?
[01:28] <slomo> ivoks: ok ;) iirc it has to be ivoks'... where are you from? :)
[01:29] <dholbach> Mitario_: it's for approved motus - to depict the team structure
[01:29] <ivoks> slomo: croatia... when i was a kid, i learned german in elemntary, then german in highschool, and english on university
[01:29] <dholbach> Mitario_: at least that's how i understood it
[01:29] <Mitario_> dholbach, ohh, I aint approved yet then?
[01:29] <dholbach> Mitario_: are you a motu already?
[01:29] <Mitario_> ehm, I went trough the TB procedure :)
[01:30] <dholbach> CC and TB?
[01:30] <Mitario_> only TB yet, CC tonight
[01:30] <dholbach> ah i see
[01:30] <ivoks> you did TB before CC?
[01:30] <ogra> Mitario_, i thought that was overruled
[01:30] <ivoks> how is that possible?
[01:30] <StrikeForce> can I have some advocates?
[01:30] <Mitario_> because I was deferred from the last CC meeting because of an incomplete council
[01:30] <StrikeForce> anyways dinner
[01:31] <Mitario_> ogra, what was overruled?
[01:31] <ogra> Mitario_, as i understood it you are a real MOTU
[01:31] <Mitario_> ogra, yeah I thought so too :)
[01:31] <dholbach> cool
[01:31] <Mitario_> anyways I had +4 from the TB
[01:31] <dholbach> congratulations Mitario_ :)
[01:31] <slomo> j^: you got my vote... now i only need upload rights or someone else who uploads it ;)
[01:31] <Mitario_> dholbach, shall I find you the logs, or :)
[01:31] <dholbach> no
[01:31] <dholbach> but i'm off for now
[01:31] <Mitario_> ok
[01:31] <dholbach> i will take care of it
[01:32] <Mitario_> ok, thanks :)
[01:32] <Mitario_> good luck!
[01:32] <dholbach> it has no special function or anything
[01:32] <dholbach> so don't worry too much :)
[01:32] <Mitario_> ah right
[01:32] <Mitario_> hehe :) I won't
[01:32] <dholbach> super
[01:32] <dholbach> have a nice day
[01:32] <ajmitch> Mitario_: it's more for the fame & glory ;)
[01:32] <Mitario_> ajmitch, haha :)
[01:32] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU :)
[01:32] <ajmitch> well that's what being a MOTU is about, right?
[01:33] <dholbach> *wave*
[01:33] <Mitario_> ivoks, I was deferrec to be voted for member at the last TB, but because sabdfl couldn't attend they could not vote for me and mbreitz, so I just went for MOTU instead of member
[01:33] <ajmitch> bye dholbach :)
[01:33] <Mitario_> ivoks, but tonight I will be voted for member
[01:33] <ivoks> ok, where is motu team on launchpad?
[01:33] <slomo> hmm... some MOTU (with upload rights) here who wants to upload 7 uploads for me? ;)
[01:34] <Mitario_> ivoks, people/motu
[01:34] <ivoks> ah, ok
[01:35] <Mitario_> crimsun, did you upload sffview,kaffe,ax25-tools and conquest for me? :) just to be sure, so I can update the wiki page
[01:35] <slomo> crimsun: please don't forget adonthell and liferea in revu ;)
[01:36] <ivoks> launcpad doesn't like me :)
[01:38] <marcin_ant> hi all
[01:38] <marcin_ant> I got a 'absolute newbie' question
[01:39] <marcin_ant> I downloaded two files - *.orig.tar.gz and *.diff.gz
[01:39] <marcin_ant> and I would like to rebuild package with these two files
[01:40] <marcin_ant> my question is - how to apply this *.diff file to create debian dir in sources dir?
[01:40] <slomo> hmm... is someone on amd64 here who can try something for me?
[01:40] <ivoks> tar xvfz *.orig.tar.gz && cd <nameofpackage> && zcat ../*.diff.gz | patch -p1
[01:41] <ajmitch> tar xvfz *.orig.tar.gz probably won't work
[01:41] <ajmitch> if you had multiple *.orig.tar.gz in a dir
[01:41] <ajmitch> :)
[01:41] <marcin_ant> ok ok I know this tar part
[01:41] <ivoks> :)
[01:41] <marcin_ant> I didn't know how to apply patch
[01:41] <marcin_ant> thanks
[01:41] <ivoks> zcat ../diff.gz | patch -p1
[01:42] <ivoks> arggghhh
[01:42] <ivoks> how to upload PGP fingerprint on launchpad?!
[01:42] <ivoks> i did everything as instructed, but then on "Find and Import" I get system error
[01:43] <ivoks> ajmitch: ping :)
[01:43] <ivoks> ajmitch: could you add me in motu team? :)
[01:45] <Nafallo> ajmitch: if you succedd, please add me to ;-)
[01:45] <ivoks> :)
[01:45] <ogra> ajmitch, you should be able to... i made all members administrators
[01:45] <slomo> Nafallo: you're on amd64? can you test something for me then ;)
[01:45] <ajmitch> ogra: this is launchpad, though ;)
[01:45] <ogra> heh
[01:45] <ogra> yes
[01:46] <ivoks> i can't even assign my own fingerprint :)
[01:46] <slomo> ajmitch: can you set me to admin too? ;)
[01:46] <ajmitch> slomo: I'm not sure if I can do that or not
[01:47] <ivoks> yay!
[01:47] <slomo> ajmitch: i don't know either ;)
[01:47] <StrikeForce> can I get a revu please?
[01:48] <StrikeForce> if anyone has some free time?
[01:48] <ajmitch> slomo: there's no obvious interface to change you to an administrator
[01:48] <Nafallo> slomo: sure :-)
[01:48] <slomo> Nafallo: ok, query ;)
[01:48] <ajmitch> maybe only ogra can
[01:48] <ogra> ajmitch, you should be able too...
[01:49] <ajmitch> ogra: not from what I can see :(
[01:49] <ogra> the only thing you shouldnt be able to do is deleting the group...
[01:49] <janimo> StrikeForce which package?
[01:49] <ajmitch> it says that I can, but doesn't give me any option to do so
[01:49] <janimo> although I'm at work and cannot login to REVU and comment
[01:49] <StrikeForce> janimo: bittorrent and bittornado
[01:50] <Mitario_> what's the statu son ghc btw?
[01:51] <ogra> ajmitch, you click on the members name in the memeberlist....in the details page you got a radiobutton for administrator...
[01:51] <ajmitch> ogra: nope, I don't
[01:51] <ajmitch> which means it's another launchpad bug
[01:51] <janimo> StrikeForce well even linda and lintian spit out some warning already
[01:51] <janimo> btw these aren;t new packages right?
[01:51] <ajmitch> I just get text like "Administrator: No"
[01:52] <StrikeForce> janimo: no there not
[01:52] <janimo> I wonder if I cannot access some files because I am not logged in?
[01:52] <janimo> they should be at least readable to guests
[01:52] <janimo> what do these patches fix?
[01:53] <StrikeForce> janimo: just unmet dependancies
[01:53] <StrikeForce> janimo: I just ran lintian and didn't get anything?
[01:53] <StrikeForce> on bittornado that is
[01:53] <ivoks> bye all
[01:53] <StrikeForce> bye ivoks
[01:53] <janimo> and looks like you have uploaded a binary package not source am I right?
[01:53] <ivoks> time to study
[01:53] <janimo> there's debs and i386_changes
[01:54] <StrikeForce> janimo: yeah you are right because i just rebuilt off of the original source that was there when I did an apt-get source bittornado
[01:54] <StrikeForce> I've still got the orig there
[01:55] <janimo> you'll need to upload the source changes
[01:55] <janimo> then it'll be easier to review ;)
[01:56] <StrikeForce> janimo: wouldn't dput put it up there already?
[02:00] <janimo> StrikeForce, hmm maybe, but at least the changes file is different
[02:00] <janimo> and I cannot read it
[02:00] <janimo> but why are the diffs so large?config.{sub,guess} stuff?
[02:00] <StrikeForce> janimo: I can't either I don't have permission
[02:02] <StrikeForce> janimo: due to patches
[02:03] <StrikeForce> janimo: its also bittornado and bittornado-gui
[02:04] <janimo> I know
[02:04] <janimo> but I still couldn;t read the patches
[02:04] <StrikeForce> janimo: I get permission denied as well so I can't help with that
[02:06] <mbreit> hi all
[02:06] <StrikeForce> hi
[02:06] <ajmitch> hi mbreit
[02:08] <svijaykr> can anyone look at my package in revu ?
[02:08] <Lathiat> j^: hrmm
[02:08] <Lathiat> j^: n-m doesnt seem to detect my wired isnt in
[02:08] <Lathiat> j^: but mii-tool shows fine, and it hadnt bothered to try dhcp
[02:10] <StrikeForce> ajmitch can you see the changes file? on bittornado or bittorrent?
[02:10] <StrikeForce> on the revu page?
[02:11] <ajmitch> nope
[02:12] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: it's not restricted to your package
[02:12] <StrikeForce> is that my fault or the websites fault?
[02:12] <StrikeForce> ok so its the websites fault
[02:13] <Lathiat> you cant see the changes file intentionally
[02:13] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[02:14] <j^> Lathiat what card do you have?
[02:14] <Lathiat> j: ipw2200
[02:14] <Lathiat> j^: and ethernet is
[02:14] <Lathiat> j^: b44
[02:14] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I can't grab .diff.gz or .dsc either
[02:14] <Lathiat> j^: broadcom
[02:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch: thats not supposed to happen :)
[02:14] <ajmitch> which means that I can't get the new wpasupplicant :)
[02:14] <ajmitch> well, I can get the generated .diff
[02:15] <j^> Lathiat so it could be the same as? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314768
[02:17] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:17] <Lathiat> i commented on the bug
[02:19] <j^> so its a kernel problem
[02:19] <Lathiat> well carrier is set to 1
[02:20] <Lathiat> when its in
[02:20] <Lathiat> 0 when its not
[02:20] <Lathiat> i'll hack up aquick netlink program
[02:20] <Lathiat> see if i get a statechange
[02:20] <Lathiat> hrm.. now where did i put my netlink code
[02:20] <j^> cat /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier
[02:20] <j^> 0
[02:20] <j^> so this is without a cable?
[02:20] <Lathiat> yes
[02:21] <Lathiat> and it is 1 with a cable
[02:21] <mbreit> if i am working on a malone bug, should i assign that bug to me?
[02:21] <ajmitch> mbreit: yes
[02:23] <StrikeForce> if I do fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage it'll just create the .dsc file or will it create the deb file?
[02:23] <janimo> Lathiat, will avahi be in breezy?
[02:23] <Lathiat> janimo: yep
[02:23] <Lathiat> janimo: hopefully, anyway
[02:23] <ajmitch> janimo: maybe :)
[02:23] <janimo> cool :)
[02:23] <Lathiat> pff maybe
[02:23] <janimo> I saw you put breezy+1 on the proposal
[02:23] <Lathiat> i'll fly to peoples houses
[02:23] <Lathiat> and abuse them
[02:23] <slomo> janimo: i'll look at the package later... i really want to see it ;)
[02:23] <ajmitch> haha
[02:23] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it's a long flight from perth to dunedin :)
[02:23] <janimo> slomo, which package?
[02:23] <Lathiat> ajmitch: more hacking time ;p
[02:24] <Lathiat> janimo: yeh thats for default integration
[02:24] <ajmitch> janimo: proposal will be for integration in breezy+1
[02:24] <Lathiat> janimo: FARRRR to late in breezy to propose that :)
[02:24] <slomo> janimo: avahi
[02:24] <ajmitch> for now, it's just having it there
[02:24] <Lathiat> slomo: http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/ for packages
[02:24] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you said ross gave you new crack?
[02:24] <Lathiat> aj	yeh
[02:24] <Lathiat> aj	have to gwait till he gets back
[02:25] <Lathiat> ugh someone neds to fix archive manager
[02:25] <ajmitch> because I'm fairly happy with the packages as they are
[02:25] <Lathiat> atm when you drag and drop it starts exactracting when your start dragging and if you drop before it finishes
[02:25] <Lathiat> it stops
[02:25] <Lathiat> bags not me
[02:26] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh i dont envisage them being any different.. but i'd rather put them in than mine plus he has 1 critical change :)
[02:26] <ajmitch> the SONAME bump?
[02:26] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:26] <Lathiat> well the package soname bump
[02:26] <ajmitch> yes, that's important
[02:26] <Lathiat> quite
[02:26] <ajmitch> although it's not like there was anything built against it anyway ;)
[02:27] <Lathiat> yeh but you know, they should match ;p
[02:27] <slomo> Lathiat: you will package seb's panel applet? do you think we will get this into breezy too?
[02:27] <Lathiat> slomo: yes but he wont be releasing for a week or so.. and thats getting a bit tigher..
[02:27] <Lathiat> *tighter*
[02:27] <ajmitch> we'll try & get it in
[02:27] <ajmitch> I want it :)
[02:28] <slomo> ajmitch: me too =)
[02:28] <slomo> Lathiat: just tell me when you have a package for reviewing :) until then i'll try the version from svn ;)
[02:28] <Lathiat> slomo: okie
[02:36] <ajmitch> sleep time, night all
[02:36] <slomo> good night ajmitch .)
[02:37] <siretart> gn8 ajmitch
[02:43] <StrikeForce> can anyone tell me what package this is from checking for wxWidgets version >= 2.5.3... no (version 2.4.4 is not new enough)
[02:44] <slomo> StrikeForce: try wxWidgets 2.6... maybe libwxgtk2.6-dev
[02:44] <StrikeForce> slomo: thanks
[02:45] <StrikeForce> stupid question but for some reason when I use dput its not uploading the orig.tar.gz what command do I have to pass to it to make sure it does it?
[02:46] <mbreit> could someone upload http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/gambas_1.0.3-1ubuntu1.debdiff please?
[03:01] <mbreit> is there no motu with upload rights around here?
[03:02] <Nafallo> mbreit: .
[03:02] <Nafallo> where . == here :-)
[03:03] <pef> Nafallo: can you upload kvpnc if you have the time ? already validated by 2 motus
[03:03] <mbreit> Nafallo: can you upload my gambas fix?
[03:06] <Nafallo> mbreit: where is that one?
[03:06] <Nafallo> pef: building...
[03:09] <pef> :]
[03:09] <mbreit> Nafallo: http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/gambas_1.0.3-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[03:09] <mbreit> siretart: ping
[03:09] <siretart> mbreit: pong
[03:10] <mbreit> siretart: password recovery on revu does not work...
[03:13] <siretart> mbreit: yesterday, it worked for me.. strange
[03:13] <siretart> mbreit: what is the symptom?
[03:14] <mbreit> the usual page is shown, but the gpg encrypted part is missing ("Now paste the text below, and enter EOT<return>" is the last line)
[03:14] <siretart> oh
[03:15] <siretart> damn. you're right..
[03:16] <siretart> will have to look into this later.
[03:21] <xhaker> with whom may i talk  for the inclusion of an app in universe?
[03:24] <mbreit> xhaker: to all motu's here in the channel... but you can just say what you want... we are listening ;)
[03:24] <siretart> xhaker: with the motu of your choice ;)
[03:25] <xhaker> haha
[03:25] <xhaker> :P
[03:25] <xhaker> i'm not the lead developer, but could gtkwifi be included in the universe?
[03:26] <siretart> xhaker: is it already packaged? is it already in debian?
[03:26] <mbreit> xhaker: is it in debian yet?
[03:28] <xhaker> yes
[03:29] <xhaker> made a .deb out of cvs yesterday
[03:29] <mbreit> xhaker: then you should upload your package to revu
[03:29] <xhaker> has been released in .deb since some versions ago :P
[03:29] <siretart> xhaker: please note that we are already in freeze for breezy, don't be disappointed if it doesn't get in breezy
[03:30] <Nafallo> siretart: has revu-ng the same release date as breezy? :-)
[03:30] <xhaker> i know it will be hard
[03:30] <xhaker> but wireless stuff is needed, and network manager won't make it
[03:30] <xhaker> right?
[03:32] <mbreit> xhaker: putting  it on revu (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU) would be the first step... but as siretart said, i don't know it will get in breezy
[03:32] <Nafallo> netapplet is already here :-)
[03:33] <mbreit> xhaker: wifi-radar is also there (but that seems to be very buggy to me)
[03:33] <Nafallo> pef: uploading...
[03:33] <ogra> err, if its in debian since some versions, why dont we have it ??
[03:33] <Nafallo> mbreit: building :-)
[03:34] <xhaker> wanna try out the latest .deb?
[03:34] <mbreit> Nafallo: great...
[03:34] <xhaker> mbreit,
[03:34] <xhaker> ?
[03:35] <pef> Nafallo: thanks :)
[03:35] <Nafallo> mbreit: E: Package libmysqlclient-dev has no installation candidate
[03:35] <Nafallo> mbreit: what about specify that to either libmysqlclient10-dev or *12-dev?
[03:35] <mbreit> xhaker: again, put it on revu... then i might have a look at it (you will need two motu votes)
[03:35] <xhaker> i need to learn how to upload it
[03:36] <Nafallo> or *14-dev ;-)
[03:36] <xhaker> lol
[03:36] <mbreit> Nafallo: huh? it worked on a breezy pbuilder (updated this morning)
[03:36] <mbreit> Nafallo: but on amd64
[03:36] <ogra> xhaker, again, why dont we have it in ubuntu if its since some versions in debian, why do we need a NEW package that breaks our freezes ?
[03:36] <Nafallo> mbreit: I got amd64, but libmysqlclient-dev is a virtual package containing the other two. my pbuilder choices *10-dev.
[03:37] <mbreit> Nafallo: okay, i will fix that
[03:37] <ogra> xhaker, since when exactly is it in debian ?
[03:37] <xhaker> hmmm
[03:37] <xhaker> let me check
[03:37] <mbreit> xhaker: have i misunderstood you? i thought it is not in debian? hmm...
[03:38] <xhaker> ogra since 2 versions ago
[03:38] <xhaker> 1.06
[03:38] <mbreit> xhaker: if it's in debian than forget everything i said ;)
[03:38] <ogra> xhaker, cuouldnt we sync the debian version and not waste manpower ?
[03:38] <xhaker> oh.. no need to upload to revu?
[03:39] <xhaker> sorry, i thought you asked if it is in debian packaging
[03:39] <xhaker> i don't think it is in debian
[03:39] <ogra> it takes time to review and tome to fix etc... we are in a freeze where every NEW package must have a very good reason to drag manpower away from fixing the remaining stuff...
[03:41] <xhaker> i was confused with -> siretart xhaker: is it already packaged? is it already in debian?
[03:41] <pef> ogra: are you talking for main or universe ?
[03:41] <mbreit> Nafallo: my pbuilder also took libmysqlclient10-dev, but it worked...
[03:41] <ogra> pef, i'm talking about that we have preview freeze in 2 days...
[03:41] <mbreit> so should i depend on libmysqlclient10-dev | libmysqlclient12-dev | libmysqlclient14-dev?
[03:42] <Nafallo> mbreit: dunno. probably reverse the order for starters. I believe a newer libmysql would be better
[03:42] <ogra> and that we agreed that no NEW packages should get accepted for now until we have universe in a minimally usable state... it will be heavily broken for release, not at all in the condition it was in hoary
[03:42] <mbreit> ogra: btw: should i join the motu team on launchpad?
[03:42] <mbreit> Nafallo: okay
[03:43] <ogra> mbreit, you are approved, right ?
[03:43] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[03:43] <mbreit> ogra: i am approved motu, but not approved member (i to be that after cc meeting today)
[03:44] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[03:44] <bddebian> mbreit: Heya
[03:44] <Nafallo> yay! fifth launchpad team :-)
[03:44] <ogra> mbreit, i'll add you in advance :)
[03:44] <bddebian> How can you be an approved MOTU but not a memeber?? :)
[03:44] <Nafallo> bddebian: manfall of the CC :-
[03:44] <Nafallo> :-P
[03:44] <bddebian> manfall?
[03:45] <Nafallo> oops, that's swedish :-P
[03:45] <bddebian> :-)
[03:45] <Nafallo> no enough people with voting-rights ;-)
[03:45] <Nafallo> not even
[03:45] <ogra> mbreit, if youre approved, plese add yourself to the MOTU wikipage too...
[03:45] <mbreit> ogra: i'll to that
[03:45] <mbreit> s/to/do/
[03:47] <bddebian> Hmm, ogra doesn't love me anymore.. :-)
[03:47] <mbreit> ogra: done
[03:48] <Nafallo> bddebian: and you smile about it ;-)
[03:49] <ogra> bddebian, ?? why ??
[03:53] <mbreit> Nafallo: fixed that (trying to build in pbuilder now)... but if you are on amd64: gambas has a bug on amd64 so it does not start, but that seems to be an upstream issue
[03:53] <Nafallo> mbreit: hmm. joy ;-).
[03:54] <mbreit> Nafallo: it was already broken on hoary and upstream author said he will fix it as soon as he gets an amd64 machine...
[03:54] <Nafallo> hehe, I've heard that somewhere before ;-)
[03:54] <Nafallo> but for mono-stuff :-)
[03:55] <mbreit> Nafallo: as soon as my fix has been uploaded, i will put a new bug for it in malone (can't solve that myself)
[03:56] <bddebian> ogra: I was kidding :-)
[04:02] <Nafallo> siretart: I got 403 on http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/network-manager-0508300617/network-manager_0.4.1+cvs20050817-0ubuntu4.dsc
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya jbailey
[04:04] <ogra> err, who uploads NM to revu ??
[04:05] <Nafallo> ogra: j^
[04:05] <siretart> Nafallo: fixed manually
[04:05] <ogra> afaik canonical pays someone to do the work on it...
[04:05] <ogra> i hope they work together
[04:05] <tseng_> ogra: not really
[04:05] <tseng_> thom was working on it, thom is gone
[04:05] <mbreit> Nafallo: finished building gambas, so try again (debdiff is at the same url)
[04:05] <siretart> Nafallo: there seems to be something weird with the permissions with this new vsftpd, but right now, I don't have time to look into it
[04:05] <ogra> since it will probably be rewritten in many places...
[04:05] <tseng_> infinity has other things to do
[04:06] <tseng_> ian made a major change
[04:06] <tseng_> uploaded it, broke everything
[04:06] <ogra> tseng_, Diziet works on it since about 4 weeks....
[04:06] <tseng_> and didnt even know it was broken or bother to fix it
[04:06] <Nafallo> siretart: oki, thanx :-)
[04:06] <tseng_> ogra: im very displeased about this, yes.
[04:06] <Nafallo> mbreit: I'll look at it
[04:06] <ogra> tseng_, it is very intrusive the way it is, it needs a lot of rewrites
[04:06] <mbreit> Nafallo: thanks
[04:06] <bddebian> tseng_: Wanna throw spiralsynthmodular up for a rebuild for me?
[04:06] <tseng_> ogra: j^s package works
[04:06] <tseng_> ogra: diziets is totally broken
[04:07] <ogra> tseng_, without the daemon in the backend
[04:07] <ogra> tseng_, without suid stuff etc ?
[04:07] <tseng_> its Universe package
[04:07] <ogra> tseng_, its not suitable for inclusion as is
[04:07] <tseng_> it will not be included at all at this point in Main
[04:07] <Nafallo> mbreit: same url? didn't you update the build-deps?
[04:07] <ogra> tseng_, it will be main and its odd to have a packages in universe that differs totally from what we have in main...
[04:08] <tseng_> id rather have it working in a suboptimal way
[04:08] <tseng_> than totally useless but a bit more sane
[04:08] <ogra> tseng_, i'm very disappointed j^ doesnt work with the maintainer :(
[04:08] <tseng_> it will not be main
[04:08] <ogra> tseng_, if it is fixed, it will be main in breezy+1
[04:08] <tseng_> 08:18 < mjg59> Diablo-D3: It's not going into Breezy
[04:08] <tseng_> 08:19 < mjg59> That's non-negotiable at this point
[04:08] <ogra> tseng_, as well as gnome-power, they work the same way
[04:09] <tseng_> bah
[04:09] <tseng_> i want to ship a working package instead of a broken one
[04:09] <ogra> tseng_, i talk about breezy+1
[04:09] <tseng_> and i want the maintainer to actual care about his package
[04:09] <ogra> tseng_, its about 100% incompatibility, not about working/non working
[04:09] <j^> ogra i am verry idappeinted the maintainer chainged each time i worte him an email
[04:09] <ogra> we loose the opptortunity to have it in main at all
[04:10] <tseng_> by making it not suck for universe?
[04:10] <j^> and i had packages for NM for warty, and breezy for a long time
[04:10] <ogra> j^, Diziet is working on it since more then 4 weeks
[04:10] <j^> ogra first time someone tells me this
[04:10] <tseng_> when i met him on irc he seemed fairly clueless
[04:10] <ogra> j^, thom laeft canonical..
[04:10] <j^> ogra i know than ian later infinity
[04:11] <ogra> tseng_, might be, but in any case i'm very opposed to this package until i hear something different from diziet
[04:11] <j^> all stating that NM is not on there list for breezy
[04:11] <j^> is diziet on irc sometimes?
[04:11] <ogra> j^, yes, because it has some very evil bits in the backend we cant support... but we want it in main
[04:11] <tseng_> rarely
[04:12] <ogra> so these bits need to get sorted first, but that means architectural changes to the whole app
[04:12] <j^> ah just not here, found him on u-d
[04:12] <j^> ogra fine with me, i did not propose to upload it, i just published my packages and was asked if i would be interested
[04:13] <j^> now sepend some time figuring out thi MOTU stuff
[04:13] <ogra> j^, nothing against your work, but the architectural change is important, thats what people are working on since warty, since we cant include it as is
[04:14] <j^> ogra so far i did not see any of this work
[04:14] <j^> also no plans
[04:15] <j^> besides breaking the package in breezy once
[04:15] <j^> without ever talking with upstream
[04:16] <ogra> j^, i'm fine with your package if you can coordinate with Diziet about it... my only sorrow is that *if* we want to include it in breezy+1 we cant upgrade, since the architecture will be comopletely different
[04:16] <jbailey> moin, ogra.
[04:16] <ogra> hey jbailey
[04:17] <jbailey> ogra: Lifeless wants to be a motu. =)
[04:17] <ogra> yay !
[04:17] <ogra> is he member already ?
[04:17] <j^> ogra if you intent to create a ccompletely diffrent architecture you miss the point of NM
[04:17] <j^> it should be cross distribution
[04:17] <jbailey> ogra: No, he's working on that.  He was hacking on his wiki page yesterday, but didn't think he had enough relevant experience to be a member.
[04:17] <jbailey> So I think he's going to try for it at the CC meeting in 2 weeks.
[04:18] <jbailey> He's got the CoC signed, though.
[04:18] <ogra> j^, i worked some months with gnome-power now, and it doesnt match our requirements at all... it has the same archjitecture... we dont accept suid binarys in main
[04:18] <ogra> jbailey, membership is not about experience... its about contributions ;)
[04:19] <ogra> jbailey, i would consider bazaar as a quite huge contribution...
[04:19] <ogra> all he needs to do is sign the CoC
[04:19] <bddebian> jbailey: Bah, experience what's that? :-)
[04:19] <jbailey> ogra: I thought mdz had told him that being part of upstream for a package wasn't gofile:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.htmlod enough for membership.
[04:20] <jbailey> Oh isn't that special..  /me thwaps the trackpad.
[04:20] <ogra> heh
[04:20] <jbailey> ogra: But that the contribution to Ubuntu had to be direct.
[04:20] <ogra> rewriting the firefox page already ?
[04:21] <ogra> jbailey, its up to the CC to decide that, but i think he'll get approved right away if he asks :)
[04:21] <ogra> indeed its up to him
[04:23] <StrikeForce> can anyone tell me how to do a source upload to revu?
[04:23] <bddebian>  dput
[04:23] <StrikeForce> dput didn't put my sources up for some unknown reason
[04:23] <bddebian> Were they signed?
[04:23] <tseng> did you have the new url?
[04:24] <tseng> revu is moved
[04:24] <StrikeForce> tseng: yes because I uploaded eveyrone but the source
[04:24] <StrikeForce> everythin*
[04:24] <StrikeForce> everything*
[04:24] <tseng> oh
[04:24] <tseng> did you do -S -sa ?
[04:24] <tseng> by source I assume you mean orig.gz now
[04:24] <StrikeForce> tseng yeah
[04:24] <tseng> which?
[04:25] <StrikeForce> tseng, as in dput -S *.changes
[04:25] <tseng> no
[04:25] <tseng> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[04:25] <StrikeForce> tseng: nope didn't do that
[04:25] <tseng> if you are doing a new revision of a package, say -2
[04:25] <tseng> you have to do -sa (sign all) to include orig.gz
[04:25] <StrikeForce> tseng: yeah I am just fixing unmet deps
[04:25] <tseng> its normally not needed
[04:26] <StrikeForce> tseng: kk no worries I'll do it now
[04:26] <tseng> great :)
[04:28] <StrikeForce> tseng:doing it now for bittornado
[04:29] <StrikeForce> tseng: do I have to pass dput -f to get it up there?
[04:29] <tseng> i normally remove .upload
[04:29] <tseng> didnt know -f
[04:30] <bddebian>  force
[04:30] <tseng> yes, that seems obvious now
[04:30] <bddebian> :-)
[04:30] <tseng> thanks :)
[04:32] <StrikeForce> Does anyone mind having a look at it please http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=519&text=I%27ve+uploaded+the+source+with+this+one.++As+helped+by+tseng+thanks+heaps.
[04:33] <StrikeForce> probably will try to log in my details though :(
[04:38] <mbreit> StrikeForce: i will have a look at it... (but i can't comment atm cause revu does not want to give me my password *g*)
[04:38] <StrikeForce> thanks mbreit
[04:39] <thierry> bzbot seems down...
[04:39] <thierry> sorry
[04:39] <bddebian> Hello thierry
[04:39] <thierry> hello bddebian
[04:39] <bddebian> Holy crap sfs is taking FOREVER to build.. :-(
[04:40] <Mitario> hello everyone
[04:42] <bddebian> Heya Mitario
[04:42] <StrikeForce> erm how do I turn unicode off for wxwidgets 2.6.0?
[04:43] <StrikeForce> and can it be done at compile time?
[04:46] <slomo> StrikeForce: afaik this isn't possible
[04:47] <StrikeForce> slomo: I'm trying to compile xmule at the moment and the error I'm getting is here http://www.xmule.ws/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1731
[04:47] <StrikeForce> slomo: I didn't post it but it is exactly the same.  The 2.4 version is not high enough and the 2.6.0 erros with that
[04:47] <StrikeForce> errors*
[04:47] <slomo> hmm
[04:48] <StrikeForce> slomo: I'm not sure how to deal with this?
[04:49] <slomo> i'm neither ;) i don't know anything about wx... look at wxwidgets2.6 whether it has some unicode switch
[04:51] <thierry> I'm new and I want to help, anyone have littles task for me?
[04:51] <bddebian> slomo: Heya.  Can you upload yet?
[04:51] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:51] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[04:51] <slomo> bddebian: don't ask :P
[04:51] <bddebian> slomo: Oh, sorry
[04:51] <siretart> hi sistpoty
[04:52] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[04:52] <Mitario> hi sistpoty
[04:52] <sistpoty> hi all
[04:52] <bddebian> Damn, can ANYONE upload?
[04:53] <StrikeForce> bddebian: I can upload but I still get that error at the end from dput
[04:53] <slomo> bddebian: np :) maybe later today ;)
[04:53] <StrikeForce> anyways gnight all
[04:53] <sistpoty> gn8 StrikeForce
[04:53] <StrikeForce> I'll have to google a little bit more tommorow early googling indicates I have to turn it off in the code itself
[04:54] <Nafallo> pef: have you got mail from katie and those things? :-)
[04:54] <Mitario> hmm what does UVF stand for?
[04:54] <Mitario> universe version freeze?
[04:54] <slomo> upstream
[04:54] <Mitario> ahh
[04:55] <Mitario> say, I want to change the skin in the beep-media-player package too something ubuntu friendly, is that allowed at this time?
[04:56] <sistpoty> hm... 5 days ago was ui-freeze... (for main), so dunno about the universe policy
[04:56] <slomo> hmm... there also was UserInterfaceFreeze... but imho you should do... the old default skin is ugly )
[04:56] <pef> Nafallo: not yet
[04:56] <Lathiat> v
[04:57] <Nafallo> pef: I keep the sources then :-)
[04:58] <Mitario> slomo, nah! I personally chose it ;)
[04:58] <ogra> Mitario, is it just a config option ? or do you have to repackage with a new theme
[04:58] <Mitario> ogra, yeah I'll have to replace actual files
[04:58] <ogra> :/
[04:58] <slomo> Mitario: _every_ skin is better than the current default ;)
[04:58] <slomo> Mitario: show us a screenshot :)
[04:58] <Mitario> slomo, i think the debian one is pretty cool :/
[04:59] <Mitario> is the default in ubuntu the blue one?
[05:00] <Mitario> gah!
[05:00] <Mitario> isn't the package merged from debian??
[05:00] <Mitario> this skin isn't even ALLOWED to go in ubuntu
[05:00] <ogra> does it have a ubuntu version ?
[05:00] <Mitario> yes
[05:00] <Mitario> ubuntu2
[05:00] <ogra> whats in the changelog ?
[05:01] <Mitario> sec
[05:01] <tseng> Mitario: why cant you use the skin?
[05:01] <Mitario> tseng, it's released under a non-free license
[05:02] <tseng> boo
[05:02] <Mitario> so either bmp should move into universe..
[05:02] <Mitario> or.
[05:02] <Mitario> we should pick another theme
[05:02] <tseng> it is universe
[05:02] <Mitario> but i thought I replaced this skin in debian
[05:04] <StrikeForce> slomo: http://www.xmule.ws/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1714 this guy explains it best the issues with xmule and wxwidgets :(
[05:04] <pef> Nafallo: you talk about the automatic mail when a package is uploaded to archive ?
[05:04] <slomo> StrikeForce: i have something else to fix atm... sorry :/
[05:04] <Nafallo> pef: yea
[05:04] <Mitario> do you guys think it should be wise to replace with http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23274 (color change of debian default skin)
[05:05] <pef> Nafallo: nothing :/ bad news ?
[05:05] <Mitario> or http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24800 ?
[05:05] <Mitario> tseng, sorry multiverse
[05:07] <Nafallo> pef: hmm, should be in new anyway :-)
[05:08] <Mitario> ah, daniel readded the closed source skin :/
[05:08] <Mitario> crimsun, ping :) please contact me if you're back
[05:08] <Mitario> nothing to worry about, but IMO should be fixed soon
[05:10] <slomo> when is CC meeting?
[05:10] <Lathiat> slomo: in about 5 hours
[05:10] <Lathiat> 20:00 UTC
[05:10] <sistpoty> oh, i must update my calendar ;)
[05:12] <pef> Nafallo: ok, and thanks for the upload ;)
[05:12] <Nafallo> pef: np :-)
[05:13] <Mitario> pff 22pm here :)
[05:16] <Mitario> brb, reboot for new usplash ;)
[05:16] <j^> Lathiat dont you think it would be better to link avahi-{daemon|dnsconfd} in /etc/dbus-1/event.d as 25avahi-{daemon|dnsconfd}?
[05:16] <j^> not sure if there is a dbus service policy
[05:17] <j^> should be
[05:18] <slomo> j^: can NM be uploaded or was someone against it?
[05:18] <Lathiat> hrm
[05:18] <Lathiat> i guess that would be an idea
[05:19] <sistpoty> wb
[05:19] <Mitario> hmm, it actually works :)
[05:19] <Mitario> thanks
[05:19] <Mitario> re
[05:20] <j^> slomo you are on ubuntu-devel? i guess its ok, but i am not the one to make any calls here. do whatever you like
[05:20] <tseng> slomo: ogra is against it
[05:21] <ogra> tseng, huh ?
[05:21] <tseng> ogra: uploading nm..
[05:21] <slomo> ogra: network-manager
[05:21] <tseng> ogra: from revu
[05:22] <ogra> tseng, so you didnt follow the discussion in u-d ?
[05:22] <tseng> i am not there
[05:22] <tseng> sorry.
[05:22] <tseng> my normal client is dead
[05:22] <ogra> its fine, i just wanted to have the two devs talk to each other...
[05:22] <tseng> ok.
[05:23] <ogra> so may upload who ever likes to
[05:23] <slomo> ogra: ok... didn't know that they don't talk to each other...
[05:24] <tseng> http://paste.debian.net/1749
[05:24] <tseng> can anyone tell me what this is?
[05:24] <Nafallo> siretart: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=509 403s ;-)
[05:24] <ogra> missing libbonobo-dev ?
[05:25] <ogra> ah, nooo
[05:25] <ogra> thats launchpad-integration, sorry
[05:25] <tseng> yeah
[05:25] <tseng> why is it in my stuff?
[05:25] <ogra> tseng, ask sivang
[05:25] <tseng> sivang: ping
[05:25] <ogra> i think libgnomeui was patched
[05:25] <tseng> so do i need to add a build-dep?
[05:25] <tseng> id prefer not to
[05:25] <ogra> seems like...
[05:25] <tseng> buh
[05:26] <ogra> while i would think libgnomeui-dev should care for it
[05:26] <sivang> mdz: tseng pong
[05:26] <tseng> i dont know anything about lpi, now i must add it to every gtk# app
[05:26] <tseng> sivang: http://paste.debian.net/1749 < what is up with this?
[05:26] <sivang> tseng: oh :)
[05:26] <sivang> tseng: sec
[05:27] <siretart> Nafallo: retry
[05:27] <siretart> I'm off for today, in case of problems, try also pinging sistpoty ;)
[05:27] <sivang> tseng: what's the application you're trying to build?
[05:28] <Nafallo> siretart: thanx
[05:28] <tseng> sivang: gtk-sharp2-unstable
[05:28] <tseng> sivang: a local copy
[05:28] <ogra> yay for transitions
[05:29] <tseng> sivang: do i have to add a build-dep or what?
[05:29] <bddebian> ogra: ?
[05:29] <ivoks> hi
[05:29] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[05:29] <ogra> bddebian, looks like mono will have another one
[05:29] <bddebian> ogra: Ah
[05:30] <tseng> ogra: its a quick on
[05:30] <ivoks> but /me can't upload results :(
[05:30] <ogra> sure...
[05:30] <tseng> ogra: i would be half done if not for lpi :P
[05:30] <ogra> ivoks, why ?=
[05:30] <ivoks> ogra: i still can't upload :/
[05:30] <ivoks> my uploads are silently droped
[05:31] <ogra> ivoks, talk to elmo man...
[05:31] <ivoks> ogra: i did
[05:31] <ivoks> :)
[05:31] <ogra> so whats holding it up ?
[05:32] <ivoks> he's busy
[05:32] <sivang> tseng: yes
[05:32] <sivang> tseng: I was just trying to understand if you were trying to add lpi to it,
[05:32] <sivang> tseng: or getting this error straight from trying to compile form the repo, which was spooky :)
[05:32] <tseng> sivang: no, but its not giving me a choice
[05:32] <ogra> ivoks, since when are you MOTU now... i think that should be solved finally
[05:33] <sivang> tseng: depends on what you need, if you need uimanager/gtk/glade/manual support , you use liblaunchpad-integration-dev
[05:33] <tseng> all i need is for this error to go away
[05:33] <sivang> tseng: and if you need bonobo ui support, you need liblpint-bonobo-dev
[05:33] <tseng> and build my package
[05:34] <sivang> tseng: where were you trying to do?
[05:34] <ivoks> ogra: since may
[05:34] <tseng> build my package!
[05:34] <tseng> in a clean pbuilder
[05:34] <sivang> tseng: ok :) ok :) , are you trying to add support for lpi on that pakcage?
[05:34] <tseng> no.
[05:34] <tseng> not at all :)
[05:34] <sivang> tseng: OH :-(
[05:35] <tseng> something is trying to force LPI on me
[05:35] <ivoks> ok, maybe it's me, but is your acpid working on breezy?
[05:35] <tseng> i dont want it
[05:36] <ogra> ivoks, its august... nearly september... poke elmo !
[05:36] <ivoks> ogra: i did, today and i have sent him an email
[05:36] <sivang> tseng: yes, I wonder what it is. this a debian package or ubuntu one?
[05:37] <slomo> ogra: he said "when i'm caught up"
[05:37] <tseng> sivang: its a nothing package atm
[05:37] <tseng> sivang: i just made a new version
[05:37] <tseng> sivang: anyway, ill try the ubuntu one for you
[05:38] <sivang> tseng: k, I will look it up again
[05:38] <ivoks> damn hal
[05:39] <ivoks> hal-addon-acpi ocupies /proc/acpi/event and acpid can't start
[05:39] <ivoks> bug?
[05:39] <ivoks> can someone check this on his breezy?
[05:39] <sivang> tseng: getting build-deps for same pkg from ubuntu repo
[05:39] <tseng> acpid hogs it too iirc
[05:40] <tseng> sivang: yes
[05:40] <ivoks> tseng: and that's ok
[05:40] <ogra> ivoks, ok... its just not acceptable that it takes 3 months until you finally can upload... we should probably work out a better process or have someone additionally to add uploaders to the keyring
[05:41] <ivoks> ogra: i'm sure elmo would love some help
[05:41] <ogra> i think i'll bring that up at the conference...
[05:42] <ivoks> conference?
[05:42] <ivoks> when is conference?
[05:43] <tseng> sivang: same thing on gtk-sharp2-unstable in ubuntu archive
[05:43] <slomo> ivoks: 20:00 UTC
[05:44] <ivoks> ah meeting
[05:44] <ivoks> :)
[05:44] <ivoks> that i know
[05:44] <Lathiat> ogra may have actually meant conference
[05:44] <Lathiat> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero
[05:44] <ogra> yup
[05:44] <Lathiat> ivoks: that should only happen if hal didnt start first
[05:45] <slomo> ah ok
[05:45] <Lathiat> ivoks: err, acpi
[05:45] <ogra> i actually meant conference :)
[05:45] <ivoks> :)
[05:45] <ivoks> Lathiat: hal starts with dbus
[05:47] <mbreit> Nafallo: what's the status on gambas?
[05:47] <sivang> tseng: tseng does it happen only with that lib?
[05:47] <tseng> sivang: i dont know?
[05:47] <Nafallo> mbreit: will see :-)
[05:47] <tseng> sivang: gtk-sharp1 built ok on the buildd
[05:47] <tseng> sivang: i havent seen it anywhere else (yet)
[05:49] <Nafallo> mbreit: ah, the debdiff hadn't changed after you said it should have. I built it now with libmysqlclient14-dev || libmysqlclient-dev. is that a go? :-)
[05:49] <sivang> tseng: weird. I'm trying to think of a reason that seb may have added it (just a big guess)
[05:50] <slomo> Nafallo, the uploader for everybody :)
[05:50] <tseng> sivang: if he added it to my package I would know
[05:50] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:50] <tseng> sivang: this is not a new revision
[05:50] <tseng> sivang: something is PULLING IN lpi into my package
[05:50] <tseng> sivang: some other gnome lib
[05:50] <mbreit> Nafallo: my fault... new debdiff is up now
[05:52] <sivang> tseng: how do I do  a reverse depend check ?
[05:52] <tseng> apt-cache rdepend foo
[05:52] <sivang> tseng: thx
[05:53] <tseng> sivang: apt-cache rdepends foo rather
[05:55] <sivang> (mychroot)sivan@ubuntu:~/lpint-ng/gtk-sharp2-unstable/gtk-sharp2-unstable-1.9.5$ apt-cache rdepends liblpint-bonobo0
[05:55] <sivang> liblpint-bonobo0
[05:55] <sivang> Reverse Depends:
[05:55] <sivang>   gedit
[05:55] <sivang>   libpanel-applet2-0
[05:55] <sivang>   liblpint-bonobo-dev
[05:55] <sivang>   gnome-panel
[05:55] <sivang>   gedit
[05:55] <sivang>   evolution-exchange
[05:55] <sivang>   evolution
[05:56] <sivang> tseng: oops
[05:56] <sivang> too long
[05:56] <sivang> I think it's libpanel-applet2-0
[05:58] <Nafallo> mbreit: building again :-)
[05:58] <mbreit> Nafallo: thanks
[05:59] <Nafallo> pef: you're package seems to be on the buildds now :-)
[06:00] <tseng> sivang: i depend on libpanel-applet2-dev
[06:00] <tseng> sivang: so maybe
[06:01] <pef> Nafallo: nice :]
[06:01] <tseng> sivang: what can we do?
[06:01] <sivang> tseng: sec, I think I have an idea..
[06:01] <tseng> sivang: ok.
[06:05] <bddebian> OK I'm getting bored with UniverseUnmetDeps again.. :-)
[06:05] <Mitario> heh
[06:05] <slomo> bddebian: hm, maybe you can update the list? ;)
[06:05] <Mitario> there was a LOT fixed last week
[06:05] <bddebian> slomo: I have been :-)
[06:05] <Mitario> and the weekend
[06:06] <Mitario> iirc
[06:06] <slomo> and i would do some stuff when i have upload rights... now i'm only fixing more difficult stuff ;)
[06:07] <mbreit> bddebian: btw: your "love" list gets longer and longer... do you still going to fix all of them?
[06:07] <mbreit> s/do/are/
[06:08] <bddebian> mbreit: That is my hope.  Right now, I am just trying to hit the "low hanging fruit", then will go back. :-)
[06:09] <Mitario> well if course, I think if someone has a fix for another's love list, why not upload it? and just notify the person, but that's just IMHO
[06:11] <mbreit> Mitario: that's true... but i will not try to fix it if it's on somebodys love-list
[06:11] <Mitario> true, but it there's no other thing to do :)
[06:11] <bddebian> mbreit: Please, fix all mine.. ;-)
[06:11] <Nafallo> mbreit: gambas uploaded :-)
[06:11] <mbreit> Nafallo: thanks!
[06:12] <mbreit> bddebian: no way...
[06:12] <Mitario> hmm, python debs don't actually automatically link to binary library packages right?
[06:12] <Mitario> only C/C++
[06:12] <Mitario> i.e. bittornado auto-depends on python-wxgtk2.4 if it's in build-depends
[06:12] <mbreit> Mitario: there is dh_python
[06:13] <Mitario> ah right
[06:13] <bddebian> mbreit: WHat do you mean no way?? :-)
[06:13] <sistpoty> mbreit: does dh_python work with wx?
[06:13] <mbreit> bddebian: i won't fix all your packages ;)
[06:13] <Mitario> oh, there seems to be no python wx dev package :)
[06:13] <bddebian> What makes them MY packages? :-)
[06:13] <mbreit> sistpoty: hmm... i don't thinks so...
[06:13] <mbreit> bddebian: they are on you todo-list
[06:15] <bddebian> Well I'll just change it to your name :-)
[06:16] <sistpoty> ^^ lool
[06:16] <mbreit> bddebian: ;)
[06:17] <Mitario> i'll have to leave for a while
[06:17] <incinerator> ping DanielN
[06:17] <Mitario> bb for CC
[06:22] <pef> Nafallo: I think there is an important error in kvpnc
[06:22] <Nafallo> pef: oh?
[06:23] <pef> Nafallo: is it right that the author of kvpnc is mentionned as maintener, because he has made the original debian layout ?
[06:24] <pef> it's a "home made" debian layout, with many errors I've corrected
[06:25] <ivoks> bye
[06:26] <Nafallo> pef: should be yes, and you haven't changed those entries :-)
[06:27] <pef> arg I'm stupid, and I only see this now in the automatic mail :/
[06:29] <sistpoty> will be back later... cya
[06:31] <pef> Nafallo: what's the best thing to do now ?
[06:33] <Nafallo> pef: you _want_ to be the maintainer? then chane it in the new version I guess.
[06:34] <Nafallo> change
[06:36] <pef> I think I should add build1 to the revision number ?
[06:40] <slomo> ok, slang and aalib transition is done for universe
[06:41] <tseng> slomo: rock
[06:41] <tseng> sivang: any ideas?
[06:42] <sivang> tseng: yeah, it's my fault, as usual :)
[06:42] <sivang> tseng: I'm working to fix it now
[06:42] <sivang> tseng: hwoever, do you know if your build uses gnome-panel itslef ?( not only libpannel-applets)
[06:42] <sivang> tseng: because if it does, gnome-panel now depends on lpi bonobo to provide lpi throught hte panel context menu
[06:42] <bddebian> slomo: You ROCK d00d :-)
[06:43] <pef> for minor changes on a package, how increment the version number ? 0.7.2-1ubuntu1 should become 0.7.2-10ubuntu2, or must I add "build2" to the revision ?
[06:43] <bddebian> pef: IF you truly changed something, ubuntu2.  If you just rebuilt for deps or soemthing, buildX
[06:43] <bddebian> afaik
[06:44] <pef> bddebian: so 0.7.2-1ubuntu1build1,right ?
[06:44] <bddebian> ACk, I hope not :-)
[06:45] <sivang> tseng: and it epends on it in the autofoo level, as well
[06:45] <bddebian> Sorry, I didn't see that.  I think in that case you want ubuntu2
[06:45] <pef> bddebian: it's a really minor change (changed Maintainer)
[06:45] <tseng> sivang: erm, it doesnt use gnome-panel directly
[06:46] <sivang> tseng: cool, then my fix should do I hope ....
[06:46] <tseng> sivang: great
[06:47] <sivang> tseng: cool, test build and testing passed. the lib should be free from lpi now, now prepare debdiff and ping pitti
[06:47] <tseng> sivang: great
[06:47] <tseng> sivang: thanks.
[06:48] <bddebian> pef: Well normally that would just be a -1build1 but since there is an ubuntu1 version, you would loose any changes on the next sync with Debian if you replaced ubuntu1 with build1.  I think
[06:48] <tseng> you do ubuntu2 then
[06:49] <bddebian> tseng: That is what I said
[06:49] <sivang> tseng: thank YOU for spotting this up, I'm starting to loose my confindence in building pkgs :)
[06:51] <tseng> ogra_ltsp: ping
[06:51] <ogra_ltsp> pong
[06:52] <tseng> remember mono libtool brokenness building monodis?
[06:56] <ogra_ltsp> phew, thats long ago
[06:57] <tseng> ogra_ltsp: yeah, its back, but its not in install this time, its in dh_clideps
[06:57] <tseng> ogra_ltsp: so i sent it to meebey instead.
[06:57] <ogra_ltsp> it was dh_clideps too last time
[06:57] <tseng> hm
[06:58] <tseng> i thought it was .install
[06:58] <sivang> tseng: will you be able to test again with a source pkg I give you?
[06:58] <tseng> sivang: erm
[06:58] <sivang> tseng: (for the gnome-panel)
[06:58] <tseng> sivang: sure.
[06:58] <sivang> tseng: just to make sure, that's all
[06:58] <sivang> tseng: (to aovid a wasted spnsered upload round)
[06:58] <tseng> ill sponsor it
[06:59] <sivang> tseng: ok, then you can upload to main right?
[06:59] <tseng> yes
[06:59] <pef> siretart: hi, is it a known error ? or is it my package ? http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kvpnc-0508301255/kvpnc_0.7.2-1ubuntu2.dsc
[07:00] <sivang> tseng: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/gnome-panel/ , take the *6's ones only
[07:00] <sivang> tseng: (ubuntu6)
[07:01] <sivang> tseng: bah, my DEBEMAIL was borked inside the jail root
[07:01] <tseng> uh
[07:01] <tseng> orig?
[07:01] <tseng> oh well
[07:02] <sivang> tseng: I don't have it, I can upload as well if you want
[07:02] <tseng> i got it
[07:03] <pef> Nafallo: correction uploaded
[07:03] <sivang> tseng: if ti works, I'd appricaite if you changed my debemail with waht I'll /msg you in the changlog
[07:03] <tseng> ok
[07:03] <tseng> fine.
[07:09] <ivoks> gaim irc :)
[07:10] <bddebian> ?
[07:10] <ivoks> ircing with gaim
[07:10] <bddebian> Ahh
[07:12] <ivoks> it sucks :)
[07:12] <bddebian> hehe
[07:13] <ivoks> hm... xchat on windows? :)
[07:14] <bddebian> I'm at work :-(
[07:14] <ivoks2> hm...
[07:14] <ivoks2> xchat sucks too :)
[07:15] <bddebian> xchat r0x j00
[07:16] <ivoks> heh... i have some funny clips from Croatian RTL, if anyone interested :)
[07:16] <slomo> hmm... metacity crashes are annoying :/
[07:16] <bddebian> slomo: So fix it ;-)
[07:31] <ivoks> www.grad.hr/~ivoks/rtl.avi - must see :)
[07:34] <tseng> nicht verstehen was Sie sagen
[07:35] <ivoks> i know, but he allmost exploded of laughing
[07:36] <slomo> tseng: that's no german ;)
[07:36] <ivoks> camerman felt in studio, he tried to stay calm, but eventually lost it :)
[07:36] <tseng> slomo: i know.
[07:36] <ivoks> fall
[07:36] <tseng> slomo: thats why it makes 0 sense to me
[07:37] <ivoks> check out rtl2.avi
[07:37] <ivoks> guy #2 is counting 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
[07:39] <ivoks> ok, you will understand halopink.avi
[07:39] <ivoks> :)
[07:40] <bddebian> This sucks :-(
[07:41] <ivoks> bddebian: what's the problem?
[07:41] <bddebian> ivoks: Too many unmetdeps/FTBFS :-)
[07:42] <ivoks> eh...
[07:42] <mbreit> bddebian: for most of them, there are patches in debian bts...
[07:43] <bddebian> mbreit: So get fixin..  Sheesh
[08:31] <ivoks> ogra: you are maintaining power-manager?
[08:31] <ogra> ivoks, yup
[08:31] <ivoks> ogra: is it any worse than acpid?
[08:32] <ogra> its a frontend, not a replacement
[08:32] <ivoks> front-end?
[08:32] <ogra> sure
[08:32] <ivoks> no.. this is dbus backend
[08:32] <ivoks> gnome-power-manager is frontend
[08:33] <ogra> yes, it reads acpi vents from hal, who ready them from acpid
[08:33] <ogra> events even
[08:33] <ogra> and reads, not ready
[08:33] <ogra> power-manager is a part of gnome-power-manager, you cant use it on its own
[08:34] <ivoks> ok
[08:35] <ivoks> hm... it works even if i stop acpid
[08:37] <ivoks> now, acpid is stoped... power-manager is running
[08:37] <ivoks> i will try suspend without acpid running...
[08:38] <ivoks> unfor. my laptop will not wake up, but i will surely know if power-manager depends on acpi
[08:44] <ogra> it has nothing to do with p-m its a hal thing
[08:44] <ogra> as i said, p-m and g-p-m are just a hal frontend for acpid or /proc/acpi (if you'd run hal suid root)
[08:45] <bddebian> Or just turn that BS off :-)
[08:57] <Mitario> sistpoty, around? :)
[08:57] <dholbach> hi Mitario
[08:57] <Mitario> hi everyone
[08:58] <Mitario> anyone knows status on ghc6? :)
[08:58] <sistpoty> michaelrhead: yes, I'm here...
[08:58] <sistpoty> Mitario even ;)
[08:58] <Mitario> sistpoty, hows ghc6 coming? :)
[08:59] <sistpoty> well, ghc6 waits for someone uploading it... ;)
[08:59] <Mitario> ahhh:)
[08:59] <bddebian> HEllo Mitario
[08:59] <Mitario> heya
[08:59] <Mitario> CC in an hour right?
[09:00] <sistpoty> Mitario: i put it on revu, and siretart wanted to look over it, but he was/is quite busy *g*
[09:00] <sistpoty> Mitario: right
[09:00] <Mitario> heh ok
[09:01] <Mitario> and get an account
[09:02] <sistpoty> hehe, easiest way to get an account is to upload a signed package and then ping me or siretart to enable the account
[09:02] <Mitario> oki :)
[09:03] <sistpoty> also there should be some scripts do it manually *g*
[09:03] <Mitario> is REVU Only for new packages? or for just every upload..
[09:03] <teferi> sweet, the fix is in! thanks a ton, guys
[09:03] <teferi> pleasure working with you
[09:03] <bddebian> And you
[09:04] <sistpoty> REVU is for everything that should be reviewed... so for new packages and for motu-wannabees who do fixes
[09:04] <Mitario> ok
[09:04] <Mitario> anyways guys, what do you think of my BMP suggestion?
[09:04] <bddebian> Us wanna-be's don't do any fixes! ;-)
[09:05] <sistpoty> usually us wanna-be's do, except bddebian :P
[09:05] <bddebian> Doh :'-(
[09:05] <sistpoty> (who does ton's of them)
[09:05] <bddebian> :-)
[09:06] <Mitario> I need \sh :)
[09:06] <Mitario> \sh_away, ping ping
[09:06] <Mitario> oh
[09:11] <Mitario> bye bye cya soon
[09:12] <Mitario> i hope elmo has time after the CC :)
[09:16] <Mitario> hi rbelem Seveas
[09:16] <Seveas> hi
[09:17] <rbelem> hi ;-)
[09:20] <bddebian> Hello Seveas, rbelem
[09:22] <Mitario> hi mbreit
[09:22] <rbelem> hi bddebian :)
[09:23] <rbelem> ;-)
[09:23] <mbreit> hey Mitario ;)
[09:23] <Nafallo> ogra: do you know the status of the new icons, wallpapers, gdm, splash and that stuff?
[09:23] <Nafallo> ogra: the artwork, I should have said ;-)
[09:24] <ogra> Nafallo, seems there didnt happen much yet...
[09:25] <ogra> i have one mopuse pointer enhancement and the last icon set update lies weeks behind
[09:25] <Nafallo> :-/
[09:26] <Nafallo> ogra: the team doesn't work out or what?
[09:26] <ogra> yup...
[09:26] <ogra> its very silent in #ubuntu-artwork
[09:27] <ogra> also the mailing list is pretty quiet
[09:27] <Nafallo> hmm
[09:27] <Nafallo> maybe something for the CC? :-/
[09:27] <Nafallo> we can't end up without artwork
[09:27] <Mitario> isn't that TB?
[09:27] <ogra> if there are no people to contribute...
[09:27] <ogra> what do you want to discuss ?
[09:28] <Nafallo> I saw lots, where did they go?
[09:28] <Lathiat> you mean lots of "yeh i'll help out"
[09:28] <ogra> no idea...
[09:28] <ogra> yup
[09:28] <Lathiat> followed by nothign happening?
[09:28] <Nafallo> something like, plan b?
[09:28] <Lathiat> need to drum up the enthusiasm again :)
[09:28] <ogra> nope, followed by ... "we need a groupware before we can work"
[09:28] <Lathiat> haha
[09:28] <ogra> dont laugh, its true
[09:28] <Lathiat> hrm i wonder if the garage over the road is 24 hour
[09:29] <Lathiat> i could do with food, damn staying up late
[09:29] <Lathiat> stupid cc meeting ;p
[09:29] <Nafallo> indeed. to do artwork you _have_ to have calendars :-/
[09:29] <Nafallo> <sarcasm />
[09:29] <ogra> absolutely
[09:29] <Lathiat> dont forget webmail
[09:30] <Lathiat> hrm and i've misplaced my wallet :\
[09:31] <Nafallo> but then again, if noone is working on the artwork we will need to come up with plan b :-P
[09:31] <slomo> Nafallo: and plan b is?
[09:32] <ogra> probably they use other channels than IRC and mailing list, no idea
[09:32] <Mitario> mark hires artists :)
[09:32] <Nafallo> slomo: nothing yet ;-)
[09:34] <Nafallo> I guess we _could_ keep the hoary artwork?
[09:55] <slomo> Lathiat: can you upload the avahi packages to revu?
[09:56] <Lathiat> slomo: not yet
[09:56] <Lathiat> slomo: soon(tm)
[09:56] <slomo> why not yet? is there something which needs work? ;)
[09:56] <Lathiat> yeh 1 change
[09:56] <Lathiat> waiting on ross
[09:57] <slomo> the dbus stuff?
[10:08] <Lathiat> slomo: yeh just a real simple fix to a filename
[10:08] <slomo> ok... maybe tomorrow? ;) just tell me then
[10:55] <koke_> niran: I was translating gnome-app-install, and the "Installing this application would mean that something else needs to be removed..." sound quite confusing
[10:55] <koke_> what about showing a list of stuff to remove?
[11:07] <bradb> hey guys
[11:08] <dholbach> hi bradb
[11:08] <tseng> hey bradb
[11:08] <bradb> hey dholbach! welcome to the team. ;)
[11:08] <ajmitch> hi
[11:08] <bradb> hey tseng
[11:08] <bradb> hey ajmitch
[11:08] <bradb> have you guys been using Malone much lately?
[11:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:08] <tseng> yep
[11:09] <bradb> any comments on your more recent experiences with malone?
[11:09] <tseng> sure
[11:09] <tseng> yesterday I made a team
[11:09] <tseng> some nice people joined, and they showed up on the team page
[11:10] <tseng> if i click their name on that page, it shows me their profile
[11:10] <ajmitch> hah
[11:10] <ajmitch> not so nice
[11:10] <tseng> if i got to View Members or so
[11:10] <tseng> and click their name
[11:10] <dholbach> bradb: i'd love to have the 1-2-3-4-5 list of links again, if i browse through say 96 bugs :)
[11:10] <tseng> thats how i edit their privelages
[11:10] <tseng> Edit Members might be more discoverable for what I wanted
[11:10] <tseng> i was already *viewing* them
[11:10] <ajmitch> is that really malone though?
[11:11] <tseng> maybe?
[11:11] <bradb> no, but it might be interesting feedback for salgado
[11:11] <tseng> its one app
[11:11] <bradb> right
[11:11] <bradb> it's hard to distinguish what's what
[11:11] <ajmitch> it's meant to be integrated
[11:11] <bradb> tseng: what team did you create?
[11:12] <tseng> bradb: mono
[11:12] <bradb> right, that "Show Members" link is a bit weird
[11:13] <bradb> i'll file a bug on that and give it to salgado
[11:13] <niran> koke, the reason why we didn't show packages that might need to be removed is because we were trying to show only program names, not package names to the user
[11:14] <niran> koke, plus, nine times out of ten the user would see ubuntu-desktop and get more confused
[11:14] <bradb> any comments specific to managing bug reports in malone? anything you've seen that you would classify as pure crack? anything that's particularly good that you want to make sure we don't touch, etc?
[11:14] <niran> koke, it sucks, but i don't think there's a non-confusing way to do it
[11:14] <Burgundavia> niran, are you guys working on the corner cases for non-program stuff (multimedia-codecs)
[11:15] <koke> niran: sure, but it's hard for the av. user :(
[11:15] <niran> Burgundavia, for breezy+1
[11:16] <niran> Burgundavia, it requires changing the way a few things work within the program, and that will probably introduce new bubs in the short term
[11:16] <Burgundavia> niran, cool. The doc team had a hard time for Breezy with g-a-i vs synaptic. In the end, we just ended up with recommending synaptic
[11:17] <bradb> dholbach: i'm curious, how is 1-2-3-4-5 more useful to you than next/previous links?
[11:17] <dholbach> bradb: i can jump to then end with one click
[11:18] <bradb> ah, right
[11:19] <tseng> next/previous first/last then
[11:19] <Burgundavia> niran, doing that sucks, because you guys made such huge progress with it this release
[11:19] <bradb> so, it's in your guys' hands more or less. 1.0 is very near. time is running out for critical changes, usability pains, etc. to be addressed before the first major release of Malone, so your guys' feedback would be most welcome
[11:19] <bradb> tseng, dholbach: what if paging were removed entirely instead?
[11:19] <tseng> buh?
[11:20] <bradb> i.e. all bugs shown
[11:20] <niran> Burgundavia, it's ok, g-a-i won't be translateable for this release, among other things, so it's really not ready
[11:20] <tseng> there are alot of bugs :)
[11:20] <dholbach> that'd be nice as well - but showing ALL bugs might be a bit too much :)
[11:20] <bradb> tseng: we're changing things around a bit, so there should be somewhat fewere
[11:20] <bradb> fewer, even
[11:20] <bradb> have you guys seen the new sourcepackage bug listing?
[11:20] <dholbach> yep :)
[11:20] <Burgundavia> niran, not gettext-ized?
[11:21] <bradb> /distros/ubuntu/+bugs is going to be the list of untriaged bugs only very soon
[11:21] <bradb> "untriaged" in this case is basically defined as not having a sourcepackage
[11:22] <bradb> though that definition is written in pencil, more or less
[11:22] <koke> niran: I'm translating it right now :)
[11:22] <koke> should I stop?
[11:23] <koke> btw, try tu put the markup outside the translatable string and translators will love you more :)
[11:23] <Lathiat> yay! im a member, wootang. night all :)
[11:24] <Nafallo> Lathiat: :-)
[11:24] <dholbach> :)
[11:27] <bradb> BTW, the next sp bug listing that gets rolled out will be a bit formatted somewhat more googlish. It'll be interesting to see what you guys have to say about that.
[11:27] <bradb> porting it to the other listings too; one screen at a time ;)
[11:31] <bradb> tseng: i Cc'd you to bug #1981, which is the report about the team page confusion
[11:32] <niran> koke, no please, continue
[11:32] <niran> koke, what can't be translated yet are the package descriptions
[11:33] <niran> that's an apt feature for breezy+1
[11:33] <koke> niran: anyway, will be tomorrow
[11:33] <koke> I have more urgent things in my todo list
[11:33] <koke> some class work for friday
[11:33] <koke> :)
[11:35] <ajmitch> morning
[11:35] <ivoks> hi
[11:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch: me -> member. :)
[11:36] <slomo> Lathiat: congrats :)
[11:37] <ajmitch> Lathiat: well done! :)
[11:37] <Lathiat> quite :)
[11:37] <Lathiat> and now since i need to be at uni in5  hours or so.. im actually. goign to bed. :)
[11:38] <Lathiat> night :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> hah, good night ;)
[11:43] <slomo> ajmitch: why? ;)
[11:43] <Nafallo> ajmitch: why? :-)
[11:43] <ajmitch> I'm sure it'd be fun to play MOTU devils advocate :)
[11:43] <Nafallo> ajmitch: lol
[11:44] <ivoks> :)
[11:44] <sistpoty> ajmitch: :P ;)
[11:44] <ajmitch> because they get suspicious when we've got nothing but positive, happy comments
[11:44] <slomo> ajmitch: sure :) but for packages i'm trying to do it like you and be as picky as possible ;)
[11:44] <Nafallo> hopefully not after today :-)
[11:44] <ogra> ajmitch, go ahead :)
[11:45] <slomo> ajmitch: but do we have something negative about one of them? i don't know of anything...
[11:45] <ajmitch> ooh, Lathiat is up for TB next week ;)
[11:45] <ajmitch> who else is  up?
[11:46] <sistpoty> but i won't be there next TB unfortunately... so you could flame on me ;)