[08:14] <musikgoat> anyone else get system reboots when loading the x64 desktop cd, either live or install?
[08:15] <xiambax> whats the name of the gnome sound mixer
[08:16] <musikgoat> system supports x64, was running jaunty x64 but mbr is broken, tried loading the x64 karmic rc and the system just reboots after i select either option
[08:16] <draconis> speaking of that... is there a way to set gnome to NOT use pulseaudio at all
[08:16] <musikgoat> the i386 version works
[08:16] <musikgoat> draconis: there are some wiki walkthroughs for removing it
[08:17] <emilys> hi guys.. i experienced it is hard to upload photos in facebook, is it problem with java? ubuntu? or firefox? and is there any way to fix this?
[08:17] <draconis> well, I removed it, gnome doesn't seem to handle it with the keyboard shortcuts
[08:17] <draconis> or the gnome mixer
[08:17] <luke-jennings> I have an encrypted home partition which is on a different partition to my root .If I do a clean install how do i set ubuntu to decrypt my current encrypted home?
[08:20] <xiambax> weird.
[08:21] <xiambax> i can see the input coming in and the level bouncing as its getting audio
[08:21] <xiambax> but it isnt playing through my speakers
[08:30] <luke-jennings> anyone?
[08:31] <xiambax> stu
[08:31] <draconis> whatever the answer, I'd be very careful and back the whole thing up, unencrypted
[08:33] <luke-jennings> draconis I will be doing that. Its anoying as doing clean installs is so easy with unencrypted home partition
[08:33] <xiambax> anyone know why i can see the sound jumping up and down on my mic input but its not playing through my speakers?
[08:34] <MrMadMoneyMan> If I install the RC...   Will I need to do anything when the final release comes out?
[08:34] <innomen> Wanting to duel boot xp and karmic, any tips/warnings? is there a guide?
[08:34] <MrMadMoneyMan> or just normal apt-get updates
[08:34] <draconis> xiambax: you mean when you try to record it?
[08:34] <xiambax> no i just want to play it out through my speakers
[08:34] <xiambax> im lining out my macbook to my system
[08:34] <xiambax> so i can use my speakers
[08:35] <xiambax> its not a mic
[08:35] <xiambax> its a stereo line
[08:35] <xiambax> my card can take stereo through it
[08:37] <draconis> pulseaudio might let you route it to the speakers... maybe
[08:37] <mac> http://feelthehack.altervista.org/downloads.php
[08:39] <innomen> !duelboot
[08:39] <innomen> !grub2
[08:43] <barry> Hi all.  How can I gather info for troubleshooting with the new kernel. Is there a boot log or something?  I'm now using the last kernel in the list to boot and have no sound.
[08:46] <xiambax> i gave up and moved my computer and put it into line in
[08:46] <xiambax> instead of microphone 2
[08:46] <xiambax> and now it works
[08:50] <aboSamoor> Hi, I installed karmic rc as a fresh install. There is no auto complete in the terminal ! ?
[08:51] <Ian_Corne> update
[08:51] <aboSamoor> Ian_Corne: update what ?
[08:51] <Myxb> does anybody have troubles with gnome screensaver and mplayer? mplayer does not switch it off while playing. the repo version as well as the svn version from source.
[08:52] <Ian_Corne> it probably wont help aboSamoor but always update your system to the latest
[08:52] <Ian_Corne> and i think you actually have to enable tab completion in your bashrc
[08:52] <Docteh> how do I debug the init system?
[08:53] <DanaG> xiambax: google for pulseaudio module-loopback
[08:53] <aboSamoor> Ian_Corne:  my bashrc is empty !
[08:53] <DanaG> that'll do what you want.
[08:53] <DanaG> It just takes a bit of figuring out how to do it.
[08:53] <xiambax> meh, its working now
[08:53] <DanaG> And given the time, I need to go to bed.
[08:53] <Docteh> actually is anyone working on iscsi booting right now ?
[08:53] <xiambax> I have a house full of drink 19 year olds
[08:53] <xiambax> so im hiding in my room and listening to techno on boxee
[08:56] <LogicHoleFlaw> I upgraded my 9.4 netbook remix laptop to 9.10 and now i've got xubuntu splash screens everywhere. anyone know where I can turn those back to the defaults?
[08:57] <wgrant> Myxb: I remember back a couple of years ago when I maintained mplayer in Ubuntu, we carried a patch to disable GNOME Screensaver that wasn't upstream. That might have been dropped at some point.
[08:57] <LogicHoleFlaw> update-alternatives didn't seem to do a whole lot when I checked the splash screen settigns.
[08:59] <Myxb> wgrant: ah, yeas, i saw something to the effect. under jaunty, however, both svn and repo version worked fine. is it possible that the screensaver is stopped in a different way than before?
[09:00] <Myxb> * now
[09:00] <blaamann> Is there a version available with a customized version of KDE for netbooks in Karmic?
[09:01] <LSD|Ninja> There's a kubuntu netbook remix in the works
[09:01] <aboSamoor> from where can I get an ubuntu default bashrc ?>
[09:01] <bazhang> LSD|Ninja, there is a roadmap for one
[09:01] <blaamann> But no 9.10 rc?
[09:02] <LSD|Ninja> How are you supposed to configure indicator-applet-session? I want the icon and the IM options, but I need to get rid of Fast User Switching.
[09:02] <Docteh> aboSamoor: bash.bashrc in the bash package
[09:02] <redtapemedia> hello all. I was just wondering is there a 9.10 minimal installation CD image available?
[09:02] <LSD|Ninja> bazhang: I coiuls have sworn I saw ISOs for it. Perhaps I was mistaken.
[09:03] <wgrant> Myxb: Hm, that is interesting.
[09:03] <wgrant> blaamann: KNR doesn't have an RC, however it does have a daily live CD which might be OK.
[09:04] <blaamann> ll
[09:04] <bazhang> LSD|Ninja, I'll take another look, perhaps I was wrong
[09:04] <aboSamoor> are you sure no one faced a problem with bash for a fresh install ? I think it is a bug not to have bashrc copied to the home folder !
[09:04] <blaamann> wgrant: Thanks.
[09:04] <bazhang> LSD|Ninja, check what wgrant said
[09:04] <wgrant> blaamann: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/
[09:05] <blaamann> wgrant: *downloading*
[09:05] <LogicHoleFlaw> hmm, maybe an update-initramfs + update-grub will get that persnickety bootsplash ><. rebooting.
[09:05] <LSD|Ninja> I just re-checked my local mirror (I didn't see it the first time) and right at the bottom is a "kubuntu-9.10-rc-netbook-i386.iso"
[09:06] <wgrant> blaamann: It might not work, but it's worth a try. It's frozen just like the rest of Ubuntu, so if it works it shouldn't break later.
[09:08] <bazhang> nice :)
[09:09] <wgrant> Oh. I didn't see that, right down the bottom of the normal Kubuntu index.
[09:09] <wgrant> A bit odd, to merge the two flavours like that.
[09:10] <LSD|Ninja> wgrant: I missed it the first time I looked too. I was looking for "netbook-remix" tagged isos
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm
[09:22] <tavish> i'm not able to add the 9.10 cdrom, http://pastebin.com/f26953d8c
[09:24] <DanaG> "removed wireshark-root.desktop to discourage running wireshark as root"
[09:24] <DanaG> Okay, then how the heck ARE you supposed to capture packets?
[09:24] <DanaG> It sure won't work as non-root.
[09:24] <wgrant> DanaG: tshark
[09:24] <DanaG> That's lame.
[09:24] <wgrant> Or something else less crap.
[09:25] <DanaG> Can you at least pipe one into the other?
[09:25] <wgrant> Have you seen the number of CVEs that Wireshark has?
[09:25] <DanaG> I want to be able to watch it realtime with the GUI.
[09:25] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu tavish using this guide?
[09:26] <tgpraveen1> hi guys i just connected with my cellphone a blackberry curve with my ubuntu laptop via bluetooth
[09:26] <tgpraveen1> but i am not able to transfer
[09:26] <tgpraveen1> files or view phone's contents
[09:26] <tgpraveen1> can this be done out of the box in karmic ? or do i have to install something else
[09:27] <tavish> bazhang: yes, i had to use the iso, so i mounted it on /media/cdrom and then used apt-cdrom -m add
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> I found i had to initate the pairing from the phone -> pc   not from pc-> phone here
[09:27] <tavish> but it says, the packages dont exist
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> and even then i couldend send stuff to the phone. but the phone could sent to the pc..
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> but i used the BLUEZ tools for that.
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> I couldent browse the phone files at all
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> tried this on 2 different phones.. so it may depend on the bt device
[09:29] <tgpraveen1> Dr_Willis: i think the software for file transfer is not present at all
[09:29] <tgpraveen1> can anyone say if true or not
[09:31] <aboSamoor> I reinstalled bash and bash-completion but still no bashrc written to my home folder !
[09:32] <wgrant> aboSamoor: A package will never touch your home directory.
[09:32] <wgrant> aboSamoor: You can find the default bashrc at /etc/skel/.bashrc
[09:33] <aboSamoor> wgrant: I made a fresh install and it is supposed to be there, do you think it is a bug ?
[09:33] <wgrant> aboSamoor: As long as we're talking about .bashrc and not bashrc, yes.
[09:33] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, reinstalling system applications does not change your home contents
[09:39] <tgpraveen1> Dr_Willis: hmm looks like i can transfer files i just sent a file from pc to phone yaya!
[09:41] <aboSamoor> wgrant: against which package I should report it ?
[09:41] <wgrant> aboSamoor: I don't know. But are you quite sure it wasn't then when you installed?
[09:42] <wgrant> Is it there on your other systems?
[09:42] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, ls -ltr /etc/skel/.bashrc
[09:42] <aboSamoor> wgrant: quite sure, I have to copy it to get bash completion working
[09:42] <bazhang> tavish, still looking, haven't found anything yet
[09:43] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: eid@TheOracle:~$ ls -ltr /etc/skel/.bashrc
[09:43] <aboSamoor> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3180 2009-09-14 08:09 /etc/skel/.bashrc
[09:43] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, and your user was created during this install ?
[09:43] <tavish> thanks bazhang , i think i will do a fresh install
[09:44] <joaopinto> I mean, during the install phase ?
[09:44] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: no, it was old
[09:44] <bazhang> tavish, what about using the alternate installer instead
[09:44] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, so there is no bug, your problem was with a previous user creation
[09:44] <joaopinto> upgrades are not expected to touch your bash customization
[09:45] <JoshuaL> first ubuntu booted pretty fast, now its as fast as my girlfriends laptop with XP and normally i would beat her by at least 10 seconds..
[09:45] <JoshuaL> :(
[09:45] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: it was fresh install but I did not format the home partition
[09:45] <tavish> bazhang: but then, ill have to download from the internet, i have a slow connection. took many hours for the iso download
[09:45] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, like I said, fresh install does not change user settings, your problem is with user settings
[09:45] <wgrant> aboSamoor: Ah, so it wasn't really a fresh install.
[09:46] <wgrant> aboSamoor: If you preserve /home, it will not recreate the home directory.
[09:46] <wgrant> So it will not touch it.
[09:46] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: anyway to check my home folder for missing files ?
[09:46] <Axius> Did someone tried Ubuntu 9.10? How is it comper to 9.04 version?
[09:47] <JoshuaL> Axius, its pretty good :)
[09:47] <JoshuaL> some things have improved
[09:47] <JoshuaL> like notifyosd
[09:47] <bazhang> tavish, could you pastebin the errors you get when you try to upgrade
[09:47] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, erm, you are not understanding what we are telling you
[09:47] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: it seems so :)
[09:48] <tavish> bazhang: http://pastebin.com/f26953d8c this is when i try to add the cdrom to sources
[09:48] <Axius> The boot has improved on ubuntu 9.10?
[09:48] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: the important thing that it was not a bug, I will create a new user to have everything as it supposed to be :)
[09:48] <bazhang> tavish, eliminate the deb
[09:48] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, user's default files are install related, those are set when you do an user creation, and preserved with your /home
[09:49] <bazhang> tavish, infront of cdrom:
[09:49] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, if you want to get all the new defaults, you need to create a new user or move your home to something like user.old
[09:49] <aboSamoor> Axius: not for me, 9.04 -> 40s vs 9.10 -> 80s
[09:49] <JoshuaL> Axius, it looks prettier, but for me it didnt improve
[09:49] <JoshuaL> i find it even slower then before
[09:49] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, and then move your data (without the settings) from your home
[09:49] <JoshuaL> while some previous alpha's where pretty quick
[09:49] <joaopinto> JoshuaL, there are some reports about karmic beeing much slower, related to disk I/O I believe
[09:50] <joaopinto> I mean, slower on the boot
[09:50] <tavish> bazhang: edit the file in the image?
[09:50] <JoshuaL> makes sence to me joaopinto
[09:50] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: yeah, that is correct, it is reported as a bug
[09:50] <JoshuaL> laptop = low RPM's
[09:50] <JoshuaL> more disk I/O
[09:50] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: and it is not postponed to after karmic
[09:50] <bazhang> tavish, the description in the sources.list ? could you pastebin sources.list
[09:51] <Axius> that's not cool! How about random crashes?
[09:51] <tavish> bazhang: oh, got it
[09:51] <eagles0513875> Axius: you arent being to specific as to your problem
[09:52] <JoshuaL> Axius, i have not experienced any random crashes here :)
[09:52] <eagles0513875> me neither
[09:52] <eagles0513875> im on several vms and a duelboot setup
[09:52]  * joaopinto neither
[09:52]  * JoshuaL just tests it on his production laptop ;p
[09:53] <JoshuaL> best way to test for bugs is by using it actively
[09:53] <tavish> bazhang: its, says 'E: Type 'cdrom:[Ubuntu 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Release Candidate i386 (20091020.3)]/' is not known on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:53] <Axius> When will be Ubuntu 9.10 release?
[09:53] <eagles0513875> 29th
[09:53] <joaopinto> !karmic | Axius
[09:53] <aboSamoor> Axius: bug 432089
[09:54]  * JoshuaL wonders if prelinking would make sence on 9.10
[09:54] <LMJ> hi
[09:54] <LMJ> I'm testing Empathy on karmic
[09:55] <LMJ>  I would like to know if something ever try to the video over XMPP/Jabber with Empathy available on Ubuntu 9.10, I can start an audio call but video + audio never worked. I don't know if it's a firewall problem, network problem or application problem, anyone could help me out to investigate please ?
[09:55] <wgrant> LMJ: I tried it a few hours ago. It worked on the third try, after two crashes.
[09:55] <joaopinto> ouch :\
[09:56] <LMJ> I made it working but with 2 computers on the same network (both using different xmpp account)
[09:56] <JoshuaL> time to fill in some bug reports then :P
[09:57] <DanaG> Here's my collection of bootcharts:
[09:57] <LMJ> and SIP works with your empathy ? mine can't register my both account...
[09:57] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/
[09:57] <DanaG> Mmmeah, kind of slower than before, I think.
[09:57] <bazhang> tavish, my sources list for the cdrom has gutsy main restricted at the end
[09:57] <aprilhare> LMJ: did you test your video input? some webcam drivers got dropped for some reason from 2.6.31 kernel in karmic (mine apparently was one): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/460118
[09:58] <aprilhare> goodonya ubottu you're a great unsentient bot
[09:58] <aprilhare> :)
[09:58] <aprilhare> or is that insentient? anyhow.
[09:59] <LMJ> it's possible to have an issue even vlc/cheese read the video stream fine ?
[09:59] <Axius> What kernel version is used in Ubuntu 9.10?
[09:59] <wgrant> LMJ: Not unless you're very unlucky.
[09:59] <wgrant> Axius: 2.6.31.something
[10:00] <obeliscum> kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:00] <LMJ> got a logitech on one side, nothing on the other side
[10:00] <wgrant> obeliscum: No. 14 is the Ubuntu ABI version.
[10:00] <Axius> that's cool stuff!
[10:00] <wgrant> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:01] <wgrant> Plus various other patches.
[10:01] <JoshuaL> i saw that there is a new ati driver, will ubuntu update it automaticly or not?
[10:01] <obeliscum> wgrant, loook:
[10:01] <obeliscum> Linux obeliscum-desktop 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:01] <DanaG> Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:05:01 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:01] <wgrant> obeliscum: Right. -14 is the ABI version.
[10:01] <wgrant> And the upstream point release is not in the Ubuntu version string.
[10:01] <obeliscum> and what is the ABI Version ???....i just did "update-manager -d" from my 9.04
[10:02] <wgrant> obeliscum: It is somewhat complicated, and not something you really need worry about.
[10:02] <obeliscum> ok...I can still living wihtout it .......hahaha
[10:02] <obeliscum> thx anyway
[10:03] <aprilhare> update-manager has gone quiet (not usual for an 8 hour period) - on purpose?
[10:03] <wgrant> aprilhare: What do you mean 'gone quiet'?
[10:03] <aprilhare> wgrant: nothing on offer
[10:04] <wgrant> We are really, really frozen, and the release manager is asleep.
[10:04] <aprilhare> cool :)
[10:04] <aprilhare> except i hope i get support for my webcam at some point :)
[10:04] <obeliscum> My real (and only prob right now is the Nvidia drivers......the only Vers. thta works for me is the really old 173.14.20 from envyng.....if I try any other NVidia drivers , even from the official site installer the X doen's load, and I only can login from CTRL+Alt+F1,2,3 etc......but no form CTRL+Alt+f7 or any X
[10:04] <aprilhare> poor useless webcam.. :(
[10:04] <wgrant> obeliscum: You should not attempt to use versions downloaded from the nvidia website.
[10:05] <wgrant> We provide an installer for a reason.
[10:05] <aprilhare> wgrant: not to hassle you too much, but will you be offering a karmic package for acroread?
[10:05] <wgrant> aprilhare: No. Adobe forbids redistribution.
[10:05] <obeliscum> yeah....I never do thta, but the 185 from the repos have the same behaviour thta I say........Monitor goest to "power save mode" when it's loading, and only have Text Terminals
[10:06] <aprilhare> wgrant: can i stick with the partner one from jaunty then?
[10:06] <obeliscum> the only way I have X system up and working is with 173 version (Really old)
[10:06] <wgrant> aprilhare: Ah, partner is another matter (it is not part of Ubuntu).
[10:07] <wgrant> aprilhare: But partner has a Karmic one.
[10:07] <aprilhare> wgrant: it does? i haven't found it (amd64)
[10:07] <LMJ> There is a function in Empathy "Help > Debug", gonna see if I could report a bug
[10:08] <wgrant> aprilhare: Ah. The one in Karmic is actually a copy of an old Jaunty one, which didn't build on amd64.
[10:08] <obeliscum> wgrabnt, can you say me something about my last msg ????.....please !!!......THX A LOT
[10:08] <wgrant> obeliscum: I don't know, sorry. I avoid nvidia like the plague.
[10:09] <aprilhare> wgrant: it seems to work - except for the plugin which is a bit of a hit and miss affair (especially with failfox)
[10:09] <obeliscum> ok......thx.........
[10:09] <aprilhare> but i'll be interested to see the karmic one if/when it gets built :)
[10:10] <eagles0513875> anyone on ubuntu server im seeing a rather peculiar bug with it on a vm
[10:11] <eagles0513875> anyone :(
[10:12] <wgrant> eagles0513875: Describe your problem.
[10:12] <eagles0513875> im trying to edit a conf file and for some reason it displays root and when i hit enter it shows root@localhost in a diagonal line
[10:12] <zoidfarb> hey all, so I'm running 9.10 RC, and I did a fresh install but preserved my old home directory, but I have a strange glitch: when I click on a folder in "Files and Folders" it tries to open them with VLC instead of Nautilus. Any idea how I can fix that?
[10:12] <bazhang> tavish, what about adding it via the graphical interface? seems to be glitch with either the sources.list file description or the path to the cdrom
[10:13] <tavish> bazhang: i was trying that, but it doesnt help. same thing happens now too
[10:14] <drbobb> hey, I'm seeing a small cosmetic defect in my karmic - the busy-cursor seems to go away after a while
[10:14] <aprilhare> lots of arguments regarding missing karmic amd64 acroread https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/437566
[10:14] <wgrant> drbobb: When?
[10:15] <eagles0513875> wgrant: this occurs in an ubuntu server i have running karmic
[10:15] <drbobb> what I mean is, when I click on a link in firefox, the cursor stays as was, instead of showing the busy cursor until page loading completes
[10:15] <DanaG> Acroread does one thing evince doesn't: image smoothing.
[10:15] <eagles0513875> wgrant: i mean in a vm
[10:15] <DanaG> Though it's lag-tastic on scrolling.
[10:16] <bazhang> tavish, I'm out of ideas, sorry not to be of any help at all
[10:16] <DanaG> I mean, try reading this in evince:
[10:16] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/214%20topic%205.pdf
[10:16] <robin0800> zoidfarb: yes plug in a memory stick open the computer icon select properties and ad in openwith open folder make it the default
[10:16] <DanaG> It'll make you feel like your eyes are going to start bleeding.
[10:16] <drbobb> and it's not that the busy-cursor shape is missing altogether, because it was showing up as expected for a while, but at some point it stopped to appear
[10:16] <tavish> thanks bazhang :)
[10:17] <aprilhare> DanaG: quality bad
[10:18] <rapman> Hi! Anyone expecting problems with wifi connection in kernel <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:18] <DanaG> Yeah, but tell that to my course instructor.
[10:18] <DanaG> =þ
[10:18] <aprilhare> DanaG: i've run across a few pdfs that don't work in evince at all. it doesn't support latest versions of PDF spec
[10:18] <DanaG> Not a thing I can do about it, aside from image smoothing.
[10:18] <bazhang> rapman, which chipset do you have
[10:18] <DanaG> Oh, and try selecting text in it... the OCR's failures (due to poor quality) are amusing.
[10:19] <rapman> rt61pci module is used
[10:19] <arianit> hi I'm getting "NetworkManager is not running" message on 9.10
[10:19] <rapman> worked perfectly with older kernel in jaunty - <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:20] <aprilhare> DanaG: thats not surprising it was produced by old version of adobe software after all :) ocr done by software that produces pdf, not the reading app
[10:20] <rapman> after upgrade to 9.10, signal is very low and I am often disconnected
[10:20] <bazhang> rapman, tried the livecd yet?
[10:20] <DanaG> Actually, old adobe software is not the issue... poor quality scan IS the issue.
[10:21] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps I should try running it through the OCR software that came with my parents' new OfficeJet.
[10:21] <rapman> No, I did upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 via update manager
[10:21] <DanaG> anyway, time for bed.
[10:21] <DanaG> Sun Oct 25 03:21:53 PDT 2009
[10:21] <eagles0513875> besides my problem of root displaying as a cascading effect it also causes the vm to lock up and im unable to type at all or see anything if i do type
[10:23] <aprilhare> nighty night DanaG
[10:24] <Guest29421> hy all... I have a broken upgrade to 9.10 rc
[10:24] <Guest29421> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300503
[10:24] <Guest29421> now, I am on th elive CD, and hav esound
[10:24] <Guest29421> the question is, how do I transfer my sound settings from the live cd to the install :)
[10:24] <Guest29421> one more detail to note - my upgrade did not install any kernels, and I'm still with my old 9.04 SERVER kernel
[10:24] <Guest29421> which is odd...
[10:25] <Guest29421> tried apt-geting the linux-image generic package, did nothing
[10:26] <arianit> I'm getting "NetworkManager is not running..." message on 9.10. Any ideas?
[10:27] <om26er> arianit: network not managed?
[10:27] <om26er> arianit: sudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
[10:28] <om26er> managed=true??
[10:29] <Guest29421> how do I install the 9.10RC kernel into my sistem, if it's still using the 9.04 server kernel on an upgraded 9.10 RC?
[10:29] <arianit> om26er: I saw that on the forum and changed it to true. still not working though
[10:30] <om26er> arianit: sudo apt-get --reinstall install network-manager
[10:30] <om26er> arianit: if you ha wired internet
[10:30] <arianit> om26er: I don't
[10:31] <om26er> arianit: any other network manager installed??
[10:31] <om26er> arianit: ok
[10:31] <om26er> arianit: try this
[10:31] <arianit> no other network manager
[10:31] <om26er> arianit: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid
[10:31] <om26er> after essid type the name of your wireless network
[10:32] <pradeep__> I am about to upgrade my jaunty to the karmic rc. Any advicess?
[10:32] <om26er> arianit: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid TP-LINK && sudo dhclient wlan0
[10:33]  * om26er TP-LINK is the essid of my wireless network
[10:33] <om26er> and if there is any wep key then add it after TP-LINK
[10:34] <pradeep__> I am about to upgrade my jaunty to the karmic rc. Any advicess?
[10:35] <om26er> pradeep__: do it and love karmic
[10:35] <Ian_Corne> pradeep__: backup
[10:35] <pradeep__> om26er: Grub2 will installed??
[10:36] <om26er> pradeep__: yes it will ask you
[10:36] <Guest29421> how can I replace my 9.04 kernel (server) with the RC one aafter upgrade? it's still the old server kernel
[10:37] <Guest29421> and with the old server I have no sound
[10:37] <Guest29421> only have sound on the live cd...
[10:37] <Guest29421> which is odd, too odd
[10:37] <arianit> om26er: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid LALAV password && sudo dhclient wlan0 ?
[10:38] <JoshuaL> i found it rather confusing that GRUB 1.97 is GRUB2 :(
[10:38] <om26er> arianit: yes
[10:38] <pradeep__> Ian_Corne: yes i am backing up. I have many things installed.. so upgrading. can't do a fresh install
[10:40] <arianit> om26er: "iwconfig: unknown command "password""
[10:40] <om26er> w8
[10:42] <Guest29421> cmon, noone knows how to install the default kernel on an upgraded system?
[10:42] <om26er> arianit: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_NETWORK_NAME_HERE
[10:42] <om26er> arianit: sudo iwconfig wlan0 key YOUR_WEP_KEY_HERE_OR_"off"_FOR_NO_KEY
[10:42] <om26er> arianit: sudo dhclient wlan0
[10:43] <om26er> arianit: first do this sudo apt-get purge network-manager && sudo apt-get autoremove
[10:44] <arianit> 1 min
[10:45] <robin0800> om26er: how do you do WPA ?
[10:45] <om26er> robin0800: my network is not secure
[10:45] <Guest29421> how can I install the 9.10 RC kernel on an 9.04 - > 9.10 RC upgraded system, if my system used 9.04 server kernel and is continuing to use the old kernel even now?
[10:46] <om26er> robin0800: kiddin i don't know about that
[10:47] <om26er> any ubuntu moblin remix user??
[10:48] <arianit> om26er: output after key line: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): / invalid argument "password".
[10:48] <om26er> arianit: which security are u using
[10:50] <Guest29421> anybody?
[10:50] <arianit> om26er: WPA
[10:50] <Guest29421> nobody knows how to install the default kernel on the 9.10 RC?
[10:51] <arianit> if I plug the cable, (I had problems with it before so I'll likely lose connection for a bit) what should I do
[10:52] <om26er> arianit: i dont't know about wpa sorry
[10:52] <om26er> gtrg
[10:52] <om26er> gtg
[10:53] <Nexos> Hi. Just upgraded to karmic from Jaunty, and all videos (but flash ones, like youtube) lack the "red" part. Tried with mplayer, vlc for XVID,DivX and DVD. I use nvidia driver. Any idea what could cause this?
[10:53] <Nexos> I upgraded nvidia driver, with no success
[10:54] <arianit_> om26er: if I plug the cable (I had problems with it before so I'll likely lose connection for a bit) what should I do
[10:55] <Guest29421> how can I install the 9.10 RC kernel on an 9.04 - > 9.10 RC upgraded system, if my system used 9.04 server kernel and is continuing to use the old kernel even now?
[10:57] <dmatt> Guest29421: it is not correctly upgraded system, check sources and try to finish upgrade
[10:57] <Guest29421> dmatt: sources are ok, upgrade is ok too
[10:57] <Guest29421> it's using old kernel because I used the server kernel
[10:57] <Guest29421> I need to install the default, non-server kernel
[10:57] <Guest29421> but don't know how
[10:58] <Guest29421> sources get automatically modified by the upgrade process, I did not manage them by hand and yes, I looked at them and they're fine
[10:59] <dmatt> just find linux-something package in package manager and install it
[11:00] <Guest29421> no that would not work
[11:00] <Guest29421> I tried linux-image and installed
[11:00] <Guest29421> did not add kernel to grub or install
[11:01] <dmatt> then install it from shell with sudo apt-get install lnux-image... and watch for any errors
[11:02] <Guest29421> that's what I did
[11:02] <Guest29421> no errors
[11:04] <dmatt> do you have grub1 or grub2?
[11:05] <phnom> Hi, everytime I run ldconfig it keeps telling me "/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link". Why and does this affect operation?
[11:06] <dmatt> run update-grub
[11:06] <Guest29421> sais linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic is already the newest version
[11:07] <Guest29421> wow update-grub found lots of things...
[11:07] <Guest29421> I'll reboot now
[11:07] <Guest29421> btw... what is the latest kernel version in 9.10 rc?
[11:07] <Guest29421> linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic?
[11:08] <Guest29421> and how do I use my 6GB ram with the generic image, is that possible?
[11:08] <Guest29421> dmatt, do you know?
[11:09] <Guest29421> damn.. using server kernel I have no sound, using the default kernel - no ram
[11:09] <Ian_Corne> install the -pae kernel?
[11:10] <dmatt> linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic is latest available and you should be able to use memory, if you have x86_64
[11:10] <Guest29421> I have installed the 32 bit initially
[11:10] <Guest29421> that's why I used the server kernel to use all the ram
[11:10] <Ian_Corne> the linux-image-2.6.31-14-pae
[11:10] <Ian_Corne> use that
[11:10] <Guest29421> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.31-14-pae
[11:11] <Guest29421> root@ubuntu:/# apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.31-14
[11:11] <Guest29421> linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on x86/x86_64
[11:11] <Guest29421> linux-image-2.6.31-14-server - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on x86_64
[11:11] <Guest29421> linux-image-2.6.31-14-virtual - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on x86/x86_64
[11:11] <Guest29421> that's all I see
[11:12] <evident> hi everybody...
[11:12] <locum> hi
[11:12] <gartral> hi all, i have 9.10 up in a vm.. how long is the configuring apt part of the install supposed to take?
[11:12] <locum> i dont know in vm
[11:12] <gartral> locum: ussually?
[11:13] <locum> gartral, ussually take the same time
[11:13] <locum> as normal install
[11:13] <evident> i am having a problem after updating to karmic koala: my menu in my top bar is not showing up... I see the individual icons and meters I added there and on the right side the system icons as well as the date/time... but on the left side there is no "Applications, Places,System" menu anymore. Can anybody help me?
[11:13] <locum> maybe a little more but no much
[11:14] <gartral> locum: ok, on an i7 860, with VT enable, NP off.. 4 "cores" to vbox
[11:14] <Guest29421> http://etherpad.com/NbTh3OpP3i
[11:14] <Guest29421> here is the output of update-grub
[11:14] <Guest29421> but when I open menu.lst, the file is not updated???
[11:14] <locum> gartral,  shit with that hardware must be a blink
[11:14] <locum> lol
[11:14] <evident> this didn't happen after I updated to the better, but i noticed yesterday... not sure if it came after the update to the release candidate...
[11:15] <locum> i got a problem with my mic
[11:15] <locum> doesnt work at all
[11:16] <locum> sound card intel 82801G ich7
[11:16] <locum> anyone have some clue?
[11:19] <gartral> locum: noe
[11:19] <Guest29421> omg why the hell is it sayin git's updating grub when in fact it's not updating grub?
[11:19] <gartral> YAY
[11:19] <locum> ops
[11:19] <evident> i am using gnome by the way... anybody have an idea?
[11:20]  * Dr_Willis missed the question
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> the app/places/system menus are handled by a panel applet. perhaps it crashed/got removed
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> make a new user - see if it works for them
[11:21] <evident> can i try to update the panel applet somehow? maybe it'l fix it
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> add-to-panel -> 'menu bar' or 'main menu'
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> try re-adding it
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of fun things to add to the panel
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> :
[11:22] <evident> ahh ok that worked...
[11:22] <evident> still weird why it got lost
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> some times if the applets crash. they dont get restarted
[11:23] <evident> ok thx...
[11:24] <evident> another question: is it possible to turn the top menu bar to the original size again (24px)? The properties say it is set to 24 but it shows up bigger... in comparison with the bottom bar...
[11:24] <evident> the icons that are shown are just bigger...
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> the sizes are customizeable via the right click menus i recall
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> properties -> size in pizles
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> heh - set the size to like 210 pixles  and notice what icons are SVG and what ones are just bitmaps :)
[11:27] <evident> ok and I would have to switch the bitmap ones to scalable ones and then it should get smaller again?
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> Not sure. the only svg icons i got in my panel are for the bluetooth applet and the  netwokr applet
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> the rest look real funny when i make the panel 200+ pixles high
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> but i set i back to 25 and they all look fine
[11:33] <evident> hmmm.... well when putting it up all icons are being scaled finely except the pidgin icon, the network icon and the envelope icon on the right... the pidgin icon looks "pixelish" and the network and envelope icons stay small... but they are actually the size that fits in the 24px menu bar... I'll try and see if i can change it somehow
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> those are theones hadled by the apps theirselfs
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> so good luck with that.
[11:34] <i_is_broke> 4 more days...:D
[11:35] <gartral> is installing the beta nor
[11:35] <gartral> now
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> The RC is out. :)
[11:36] <gartral> bwahahahahan NO FAIR
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> been out for like 3 days+
[11:36] <gartral> took me a day and ahalf to download the cddd once >.<
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> install them upgrde i guess :)it wnt matter much
[11:36] <gartral> sticky d
[11:37] <i_is_broke> i have an issue with boot right now peeps, this computer boots like super slow, hell i have and old p3 that boots faster then this thing..:(
[11:38] <i_is_broke> when booting it sits at the flashing cursor for a couple of minutes before it brings up the usplash, anyone else having this issue?
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> so after grub you select an item.. then it waits with a _ blinking for a while?
[11:40] <i_is_broke> no i dont select anything from grub, after the grub screen i have flashing cursor, then splash..like a normal boot.
[11:42] <i_is_broke> guess i should say that im running a all intel board , with a 2.5 gig celeron  with 2 gig of ram.
[11:47] <Heikki123> i don't know if this problem is related to skype or other things in ubuntu... but my camera is not really working with skype
[11:47] <Heikki123> it is in supported cameras list
[11:47] <Heikki123> in the test o only see lots of noise
[11:48] <Heikki123> s/o/i
[11:53] <coz_> hey guys after last update  I no longer get  image previews on the desktop  ? any ideas?
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> just the Desktop? or in all directories?
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> Im gettting previews here of jpgs
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> well of SOME jpgs
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> thats odd
[11:59] <cowgarden> hey ho, I can not update somehow, hashs of 2 files are wrong
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> and if i look at the ones that are not showing a preview (double click to load) then  use the reload button i then DO get previews of them
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> cowgarden:  been seeing that on and off   for the last 2 days.. not sure whats going on.
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> cowgarden:  try a diffrent mirror for the packages perhaps
[12:00] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, ok, I'll just try later again than
[12:00] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, hm, don't know how
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> could be some servers missed a update/sync or somthing
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> I use the mirror select feature in the package manager
[12:01] <cowgarden> ah
[12:01] <cowgarden> I'm using the update manager right now
[12:02] <cowgarden> ah ok, guess i did it
[12:02] <cowgarden> thx
[12:05] <cowgarden> will the pidgin replacement support OTR any time soon?
[12:05] <cowgarden> and is there a replacement for epiphany or it it just dumped?
[12:06] <wgrant> Epiphany (the browser) is still around...
[12:06]  * Dr_Willis has no idea what OTR is.. and never uses either IM client
[12:06] <wgrant> In full WebKit glory too.
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> i just use firefox. :P
[12:07] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, firefox does not open a 9MB html with some CSS :)
[12:07] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, and does not run smooth n my EEE either
[12:08] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis,  and OTR is great encryption for IMing (you really need it here in germany if you like prvacy...)
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> ff works great on my AAo - well it did.. the wife stole it..
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:09] <cowgarden> :)
[12:09] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, ok, hash errors are fixed, now my drive is full, again :)
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> Fried hash and eggs!
[12:19] <Asad2005> I am planning to fresh install 910 and have some questions. Would backing up ~/.evolution and then overwriting it in the fresh install will back up my emails and setting? Or better backing up my home folder better? Am i going to face errors due to some differences
[12:20] <cowgarden> Asad2005, it should work, but I'm no expert
[12:21] <JoshuaL> Asad2005, why a fresh install?
[12:21] <Asad2005> ok Would this command work if user is logged in rsync -avh /home/usrdir /media/disk/backup/
[12:22] <JoshuaL> sure
[12:22] <topyli> Asad2005: best to back up your whole home. In the future, it might be a good idea to put /home on a separate partition
[12:22] <Asad2005> Fresh install because my home dir is ext3 and would like to replace hard drive (bigger)and dont want to convert
[12:23] <Asad2005> To convert to ext4
[12:24] <JoshuaL> ah
[12:24] <Asad2005> topyli: Yes it is in seperate part and am going to backup whole /home and restore it to new part
[12:24] <topyli> sounds good to me
[12:24] <Asad2005> How about user name do i have to keep same name in the fresh install
[12:25] <topyli> no
[12:25] <coz_> hey guys.... since last updates I am not getting previews of images on the desktop...all other areas like home  etc are fine
[12:25] <Asad2005> ok so i will most probaply need to chown to new user
[12:26] <topyli> possibly
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  try a new user - see if it works for them?
[12:27] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  ok   I will  let me check
[12:27] <Asad2005> topyli: Can you also advice how best to carry over all installed apps to new system
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> Asad2005:  i keep same user names and add them in the same order as befor. Otherwise the uid's may get out of order and need fixed
[12:27] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  actually nevermind... I just realized I have to reinstall anway after putting in new video card  :(
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> !clone | Asad2005
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  why reinstall? :) i never had to do that just for a card change
[12:29] <locum> hi got a problem, my mic
[12:29] <Asad2005> Dr_Willis: What do you mean by add them in the same order as befor. You mean give users same UID
[12:29] <locum> cant enabled mic in alsamixer capture
[12:30] <Dr_Willis>  adduser bob
[12:30] <Dr_Willis>  adduser tom
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> not... tom then bob. :)
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> or your uid's will be different,.   first user is 1000, 2nd is 1001 and so on...
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> not hard to 'fix' but an annoyance
[12:31] <Asad2005> Dr_Willis: Ok i am already planning one user only.
[12:34] <locum> i need help with audio issue
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> one user will be uid  1000 then. :) so its not an issue
[12:35] <locum> cant enabled mic capture in alsamixer
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> name dosent matter.. uid matters
[12:35] <locum> alsa version 1.0.20
[12:36] <locum> Dr_Willis,  what do u mean with uid?
[12:38] <om26er> is there any multi thread downloaded in ubuntu except multiget, it ugly
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> locum:  every user has a USER ID
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> thats is what the system uses., the name is for Our benifig
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> echo $UID
[12:40] <Dr_Willis>  echo $UID
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> 1000
[12:40] <honka> guys is there a way to boot ubuntu iso from hard disk?
[12:40] <locum> ok
[12:40] <honka> there has to be a way
[12:40] <richardcavell> honka: no there isn't
[12:41] <richardcavell> you have to burn it to a CD
[12:41] <honka> yes there is
[12:41] <locum> Dr_Willis,  any idea about my problem?
[12:41] <honka> first I need to unpack it
[12:41] <honka> my problem is what parameters to use for grub to load ubuntu
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> locum:   i rarely have sound issues.. I just use the alsa/pulse configs and check the mic :)
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> I did have to move the mic to a diffrent plug on the backi recall
[12:42] <docmax> is the upgrade 9.04 -> 9.10 going without problems?
[12:42] <locum> Dr_Willis,  well in my case its a notebook so i only got 2 stacks
[12:42] <honka> the whole ubuntu is in /caster directory
[12:43] <honka> so I just need to point grub to load the files from there
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> casper you mean.
[12:43] <honka> yes
[12:43] <honka> but
[12:43] <honka> I do not know what parameters to use in grub
[12:43] <locum> docmax,  if u have an acer
[12:43] <docmax> acer?
[12:44] <locum> its a mayor fail with acer aspire
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> honka:  what are you tryuing todo exactly?
[12:44] <docmax> do i have to uninstall 9.04 ?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> locum:  err.. my AAO has a built in mic..  that worked i recall...
[12:44] <honka> to boot ubuntu live from hard disk
[12:44] <honka> like I can do this with gparted
[12:45] <locum> as far i know kernel turns off fan, and notebook shutdown
[12:45] <honka> obviously one partition from the hard disk will be locked
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> You are booting theubuntu ISO file from hard drive? or what exactly honka ? i think we've missed something here
[12:45] <locum> Dr_Willis,  i dont understand u
[12:45] <om26er> which linux filesystem is good for media and other files. extx take space with them
[12:45] <honka> yes yes
[12:46] <honka> exactly this is what I wanna achieve
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> honka:  if you have grub2 installed you can boot an iso with that.. i have the  grub2 entry here.. just a min.
[12:46] <honka> I do not understand grub2
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> do not understand what part  of grub2?
[12:46] <honka> I I do not know how to make enties in its grub.cfg file
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> on a installed system you dont edit the grub.cfg directly
[12:47] <om26er> Dr_Willis: which opensource filesystem is good for media files and document and it should not take so much space with it like EXT
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  i dont find ext2/3/4 taking much space at all...
[12:48] <om26er> Dr_Willis: format a filesystem btrfs, fat or ntfs they take space in kb's
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB          ---> example grub2 entries to boot ubuntu iso files
[12:48] <honka> so I'll use old grub versions
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> honka:  grub1 can NOT boot iso files
[12:48] <cowgarden> updating will leave my grub untouched, will it? or does it have to change kerner versions in menu-lst or something?
[12:48] <om26er> Dr_Willis: format a drive to ext it takes more than 200mb on 8gb media
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> cowgarden:  in theory yes. grub1 shouldent be touched
[12:48] <honka> well I have to unpack the iso
[12:48] <cowgarden> *kernel
[12:49] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis,  ok :)
[12:49] <honka> and put the bare directories
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  you are confuised..  the system RESERVES 5% for 'rescue' purposed... thats customizeable via tune2fs
[12:49] <honka> and grub can use them to boot
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  you can set that to 0% if you wanted
[12:49] <cowgarden> is grub2 faster?
[12:49] <docmax> 9.04 -> 9.10 update no problem?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is worth learning. it will be the future
[12:50] <cowgarden> ok :)
[12:50] <om26er> Dr_Willis: so which FS should i use
[12:50] <docmax> no complications? (grub1 grub2)?
[12:50] <cowgarden> docmax, you will keep grub1
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  whatever one you want..   I use ext3/4 on my 1+TB hard drives
[12:50] <cowgarden> bye and thx
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> ext3 if you want to  be sure older disrtos can read them.. or ext4 if you are not worried about it
[12:51] <honka> grub1 was so simple and easy to use.WHy they make it more complex.Maybe they are aiming for commercial support?
[12:51] <honka> probably.
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> honka:  read the grub2 docs.. they are fixing a lot of big/old problems with grub1, in grub2
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> honka:  and LILO was simpiler still but you dont see it used much any more
[12:52] <eitreach_> Is there any way to get mouse gestures in Compiz back in 9.10?
[12:52] <honka> yes and remove the simplicity of maual entry adding.
[12:52] <honka> lilo went down because ubuntu choose grub for boot loader
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> honka:  edit grub.cfg if you want.. it can be done...
[12:52] <Dr_Willis>  lilo went down way befor ubuntu
[12:52] <honka> and ubuntu is the most popular linux distro
[12:53] <honka> I even uninstalled the grub2 and it did not want go get away from my pc
[12:53] <honka> weird
[12:54] <honka> I still see it loading
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> pastebinit  /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f6bcf946e
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> My customized entries for grub2 to boot a iso for ubuntu and other disrtos.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> from my laptop :)
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> ive even made a few customized usb flahs drives with Grub2 that boot  the ubuntu.iso file
[12:57] <honka> is that 40-custom file ?
[12:57] <honka> I think it is located in /etc/grub/
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> that is my 40_custome file yes...
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> its in /etc/grub.d/
[12:57] <honka> mistake
[12:57] <honka> yes
[12:58] <vak> Hi all,  libglibc-2.0-0
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> i have a little 2 gb partition (i call tiny) that has some live cd/distros and iso files on it as a rescue partition
[12:58] <honka> after you boot the iso which partition of your hard disk  is locked if there is any?
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> honka:  none are locked that i noticed.. its possible that  the one the iso is on would be  some how mounted/locked
[12:59] <vak> I have troubles with libglibc-2.0-0 that refers to a symbol that can't be found during the link-time
[12:59] <vak> so I can't really perform an update for a month already or so...
[12:59] <honka> ok
[13:00] <honka> do you have any ideas why after I removed the grub2 using synaptics It still boots up my pc?
[13:00] <vak> can anyone support me and bring my karmic to the life again, please?
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> untill you install another boot loader.. the grub2 loader is still on the MBR
[13:01] <honka> O my god
[13:01] <honka> ok
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> logical :)
[13:03] <Willex> Hi, I just upgraded to Karmic and I was wondering if there's a way to include the indicator-applet to the main menu or if not add a shutdown button to the menu?
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> you could always add a menu item that does 'gksudo shutdown' i guess
[13:03] <honka> 10x for the info about the grub2 entries.It is very useful info for me.
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is the wave of the future :)
[13:05] <honka> the more complex something becomes , the more it gets bugged
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> go back do dos then i guess..
[13:06] <honka> I'll try to boot ubuntu with old version and unpacked directories.
[13:06] <honka> and grub0.4.1
[13:06] <honka> just to see
[13:07] <honka> if it works
[13:08] <Willex> is there a bug that prevents cd/dvds from mounting?
[13:08] <Willex> I can't find them :S
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> not that i have heard of...
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> some times it fails to auto-mouint my usb drives..   not sure why it does that
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> if i log out/back in - it sees them... then after about an hr or 2 it stops again
[13:09] <Willex> usb works fine for me
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> not tried lately  or any disks..
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> I plug in flash drive. It dosent auto-mount, or show it on the desktop... still....
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> dmesg shows it
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> trying an audio cd
[13:12] <Willex> there isn't anything I could be missing?
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> no idea
[13:12] <Willex> cds should be supported automatically lol?
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> ive filed a few bug reports on the usb thing.
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> a music cd worked here just now
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> HAL is being replaced by some other tool.. and i think the 2 are still conflicting in some areas
[13:14] <Willex> tried both a video DVD and a custom CD and nothing pops up here...
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> i went to computer -> cd/dvd
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> so  i dont know if it would of auto-poped up befor that or not
[13:14] <nonix4> Which (GL) programs would you recommend for stress-testing UXA?
[13:15] <_thieu> what is the nvidia driver package for karmic?
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> theres 3 for the different versions
[13:15] <rafferty> hello all... no sound (again) on Thinkpad x200... any solutions?
[13:16] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: right, but which one is recommended/stable?
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> _thieu:  depends on your card.
[13:16] <robotti^> are there any from mactel support?
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> I use what Jocky reccomends
[13:17] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: ok, so i install jockey and run it and it will keep my kernel up to date with that driver?
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> jocky is allready installed
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> its what the hardware-driver tool runs
[13:17] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: im on kubuntu and it does not run automagically
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> system -> admin ->  hardware drivers
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> or try jocky<TAB>
[13:18] <_thieu> yeah, running jockey-kde now
[13:19] <spaceBARbarian> how do i change my boot menu with grub2 ?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> edit the proper config files and rerun update-grub
[13:19] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: it recommends version 173, but it annot be activated, so i'll install it with apt-get
[13:19] <Dr_Willis>  depending on whaat it is you want to change
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> _thieu:  that tool can install it. :)
[13:19] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: i wish
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> _thieu:  it installed it here...
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> click, activate.. it downloaded/installed
[13:20] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: there's two options, and i cannot select any
[13:20] <_thieu> it wont activate
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> run it as root perhaps?
[13:20] <_thieu> ay
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> not as a user. :P
[13:22] <jonathan1> hey guys, when upgrading to 9.10 with update-manager-d
[13:22] <sdg> WTF why is there a police helicopter circling my house?!?!??
[13:22] <jonathan1> which version am i getting?
[13:22] <jonathan1> rc?
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> yes it should be rc jonathan1
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> theres no wayit can be any other version :)
[13:22] <sdg> WTF it's landing 50 metres away.
[13:22] <jonathan1> yeah i was wondering because
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> sdg:  run! they found your pot plants!
[13:22] <jonathan1> im missing some packages that i know should be there
[13:22] <jonathan1> ie empathy
[13:22] <sdg> Dr_Willis: FUCK
[13:23] <jonathan1> doing lsb_release gives me 9.10 then
[13:23] <jonathan1> though *
[13:23] <jonathan1> so im confused :S
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> 9.10 is 9.10... so....
[13:23] <jonathan1> yeah mmm
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> I just use apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade
[13:24] <jonathan1> done that already :\
[13:24] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: sudo did not help, used apt-get ...
[13:24] <BUGabundo> !language | sdg
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> heh
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> a little late.. the cops got him allready
[13:25] <C-S-B__> anyone else having troubles with grub-pc package freezing when performing update?
[13:27] <om26er> Wubi for windows7 is it available yet??
[13:28] <BUGabundo> om26er: I think so
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> oooooooooh baracuda!
[13:30] <om26er> ActionParsnip: can wubi be installed on win7
[13:30] <om26er> there are people that i wan't to try ubuntu
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> om26er: i guess, i use neither but it makes sense
[13:33] <onats> hi, is 3d acceleration not working properly yet?
[13:33] <Ian_Corne> onats: what gfx card?
[13:33] <onats> ati
[13:33] <onats> 3870
[13:34] <Ian_Corne> installed the priopetary driver?
[13:34] <Ian_Corne> it works fine for my 4870 btw
[13:34] <onats> Ian_Corne, downloaded the ones from ATI
[13:34] <onats> hardware drivers show that its active but currently not in use
[13:34] <yermandu> where is alsaconf?
[13:34] <spaceBARbarian> how do i run vbeinfo while in ubuntu ?
[13:35] <spaceBARbarian> for getting which resolutions grub supports
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: the whole boot of the OS should take around 15 seconds, is it really worth it?
[13:35] <spaceBARbarian> well if its possible :P
[13:36] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, and it takes less than 15 seconds for me :D
[13:36] <penguin42> 15 seconds? How did you manage that?  :P
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> its all pointless
[13:37] <penguin42> ActionParsnip: bum?
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> !info bum
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> does bum handle the Upstart services now? i never noticed
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: that too dude. people fretting over something thats gonna be on the screen for very little time is pointless
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> !bum
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> will someone kick ubottu please
[13:38] <arand> om26er: Yea, I think we don't have proper w7 wubi support on this release, a real shame I must say...
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> bum does NOT appear to hanle the stuff handled by Upstart
[13:38]  * Dr_Willis would be happy if Wubi vanished
[13:39] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, i am getting "No path or device is specified" when trying to update grubcfg
[13:39] <om26er> arand: what you mean by proper. is it partial??
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> wubi is about as smart as the gentoo liveCD
[13:40] <arand> hmm, dunno, it's a great mitigator of bug 1 I guess
[13:40] <ActionParsnip>  i dont think bug1 is a bug
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:41] <yermandu> ubottu, alsaconf
[13:41] <spaceBARbarian> anyone know how to fix the "No path or device is specified" error with update-grub ?
[13:41] <arand> No, neither do I, but canonical does afaik.
[13:42] <arand> om26er: there seems to be successes (although this is older versions...) http://www.clububuntu.com/2009/01/how-to-solve-windows-7-and-ubuntu-810.html
[13:42] <penguin42> gentoo have a liveCD?
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: god yes, its a complete joke
[13:43] <Ian_Corne> onats: don't do that
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> use the ubuntu driver
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> gentoo's installcd has been a live cd for ages.. a very basic live cd. :)(
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: with the whole ethos behind gentoo, making a livecd was possibly the stupidest thing ever
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> or you could use about any disrto to install gentoo :)
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: oh this thing gives a full desktop like the ubuntu one
[13:44] <om26er> arand: thnx. will try on someones computer
[13:44]  * penguin42 seems to remember the gentoo installer consisting of a shell prompt with a few echo's
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> ActionParsnip:  that must be a new one. :)
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> ActionParsnip:  last one i tried was still basically a console.. there are some gentoo variants i recall with full live cd/desktops
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: its not too new but if you think about it, its astoundingly stupid
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> i always used a live cd or somthing soi could follow the docs in a browser, and cut/paste the commands and irc while it installed
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> so whatever.. :P
[13:45] <spaceBARbarian> anyone know how to fix the "No path or device is specified" error with update-grub ?
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> actually i think last time i got the gentoo core going and then used ssh from a 2nd pc to do the rest of the work
[13:45] <BUGabundo> !ping
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> !pong
[13:46] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hmm, got this message while updating but the wicd site seems ok:  Could not connect to apt.wicd.net:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out, http://apt.wicd.net karmic/extras
[13:48] <spaceBARbarian> can someone please help me with my grub problem :(
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: i just tried to open it with a browser and its not connecting
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: server is down
[13:48] <om26er> no what what ubuntu says but it again thows you to use dos fs while making a bootable usb
[13:49] <om26er> it should be some linux fs
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  Huh?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, ok thanks , the sourcforge site seems ok ..gonna check at #wicd
[13:50] <om26er> Dr_Willis: a live usb is made only if its in fat filesystem
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> what does?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> ive made live usb's with ext2/3 and vfat
[13:51] <macsim> hi all, I got a problem with aptitude dist-upgrade, it freeze on memtest and grub-pc, I'm the only one ? if not do you know how I can fix that ? thanks
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> just did a dist-upgrade here with no problems to that macsim
[13:54] <macsim> Dr_Willis, I googlize and found some guys said they fix this with installation of grub, but karmic doesn't use grub ? isn't it ? is it a good idea to install it ?
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> macsim:  9.10 defaults to grub2
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> which is also called grub-pc
[13:54] <Dr_Willis>  old grub1 is also called grub-legacy
[13:55] <jim_from_pa> I could not install any GDM them on U9.10 beta, will they change this with the final ver?
[13:55] <macsim> Dr_Willis, ok so I can install grub-pc is Confilt state now and grub2 is not installed
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> jim_from_pa:  i doubt it.. gdm has been totally redone.. gdm themes are  not a feature yet
[13:55] <jim_from_pa> that's a shame
[13:55] <om26er> jim_from_pa: that's a shame on u
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> set gdm to auto login.. and it wont matter :)
[13:56] <jim_from_pa> what is difference between grub and grub2?
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> jim_from_pa:<PHONE_NUMBER>+s of things
[13:56] <jim_from_pa> true
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> like going from LILO to grub..
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> its radically differnt
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[13:57] <om26er> Dr_Willis: can grub 2 turn out be faster for boot in future??
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> and 1/2 its featuress are not even there yet.
[13:57] <macsim> Dr_Willis, so it's not normal if my upgrade freeze on grub-pc configuration ?
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  proberly. but i dont find grub2 to be the main boot bottle neck :)
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> macsim:  i wouldent think so
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> i never upgrade - i did clean installs
[13:58] <yermandu> Dr_Willis, i return to old grub man
[13:58] <macsim> Dr_Willis, I have not upgrade, it's a fresh install from karmic 2 day before the RC
[13:58] <jim_from_pa> I prefer clean also
[13:58] <om26er> Dr_Willis: 10 sec boot will it exclude initrd as  moblin do??
[13:58] <macsim> Dr_Willis, when I said upgrade it's aptitude upgrade
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> macsim:  i just did a update/upgrade/dist-uppgrade every day here for the last few weeks and not had any issues
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  no idea.  Im not too worried about 15 vs 10 sec boots.. or 50 sec boots
[13:59] <macsim> Dr_Willis, ok so I check the log and if found what's wrong I'll post on launchpad
[13:59] <macsim> Dr_Willis, thanks for help
[13:59] <yermandu> tnx
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, heh, I asked if the devs at wicd were holfing back til the offoicial release and  a jerk replies, no , the world doesn't revolve around ubuntu ..some attitude, very helpful :)
[14:01] <Dr_Willis_> ask them if theur program was so good.. why isent it the default in ubuntu
[14:01] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[14:02] <spaceBARbarian> !grub2
[14:03] <Dr_Willis_> yep - going to have to all get our grub2-fu skills up to  par soon
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: has a point though
[14:06] <BluesKaj> yeah , I suppose Icould have asked if the server was down
[14:06] <Dr_Willis_> it could also be they are waiting... :)
[14:06] <thiebaude> hey everyone
[14:07] <BluesKaj> no harm done , wicd still works well here
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> i dont use it, i use the interfaces file
[14:07] <mickep> Hi, running RC. My screen goes blank although I set it to never do that. Any ideas?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> interfaces file?
[14:08] <VXxed> Hey guys.
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: /etc/network/interfaces
[14:08] <VXxed> I have a question about 9.10 on laptops that was sorta fixed from 9.04 to 9.10
[14:09] <Dr_Willis_> mickep:  theres the screen saver settings.. then thers the power saver settings.. ive noticed a similer thing also
[14:09] <om26er1> VXxed: and it is?
[14:09] <mickep> Dr_Willis_: oh, fine, I'll check the screen saver setting (which I until now did not touch)
[14:09] <VXxed> My tablet fans arent spinning up until waaaay late.
[14:10] <VXxed> And xsensor is saying internal temps are 0C
[14:10] <VXxed> So I'm really worried about the cpu damage and whatnot..
[14:11] <Pilif12p> Hi, i installed 9.10RC via the distro update, and now i have the image on my drive somewhere, and i want to delete it because i only have 1 GB left on my HDD now
[14:11] <mickep> Dr_Willis_: ah, thanks, it was set to 5 mins, which is more or less what I experienced aswell. I consider the problem as fixed
[14:11] <Dr_Willis_> 'the image' ? hmm
[14:11] <Pilif12p> Whatever it downloaded...
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: sudo apt-get clean will reduce fluff
[14:11] <om26er1> Pilif12p: type sudo apt-get clean
[14:11] <Pilif12p> I had 3 GB left, now i have 1
[14:11] <Pilif12p> ah. okay
[14:12] <om26er1> Pilif12p: it might help
[14:12] <Dr_Willis_> time to clean out the HD. :)
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: you may want to uninstall old kernels
[14:12] <Pilif12p> Dr_Willis_: SSD
[14:12] <Pilif12p> Thanks.
[14:12] <Pilif12p> That freed up about a GB
[14:13] <Pilif12p> only a few MB less of what i had.
[14:13] <om26er1> Pilif12p: yeah
[14:13] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, not much there : auto lo,  iface lo inet loopback ..I assume you did some editing to make it work as a network manager
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: if you run: uname -a; dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[14:13] <Pilif12p> Ubuntu 9.10 is incredible...
[14:13] <Pilif12p> ActionParsnip: What does that do?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: i know, you use the gui tool. Mine is very populated due to thats how I configure my connections
[14:13] <VXxed> Strangely enough, it also beats the linux bad-gui-stigma
[14:14] <spaceBARbarian> can someone pastebin me their /etc/grub.d/05_debian_them
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: the first command shows the running kernel, the 2nd command shows the installed kernels
[14:14] <Pilif12p> ah
[14:14] <Pilif12p> Its fine :)
[14:14] <Pilif12p> 3 GB is enough for me :P
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: if you have limited space, you should remove the old kernels as they take up about 120Mb a kernel
[14:14] <VXxed> So..erm..can I get help with my fans?
[14:14] <Pilif12p> Until i need moar... then i plug in the 80 gig
[14:15] <spaceBARbarian> can someone pastebin me their /etc/grub.d/05_debian_them
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: http://pastebin.com/f125a68f0
[14:16] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, thanks
[14:16] <Dr_Willis_> back it up now befor chanbgeing it :)
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: ive never modified those files so that is a standard file
[14:16] <Dr_Willis_> I gave my grub a nice pretty background
[14:17] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, yeah the error went away when i put your default version in, i guess its having trouble reading the image or something
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yeah Dr_Willis_ I converted a pic of a canoe on the beach at the family cottage to a tga file and I use that as a grub background
[14:18] <VXxed> iS THERE A WAY FOR ME TO CONTROL MY LAPTOP FANS?
[14:18] <VXxed> Er
[14:18] <Dr_Willis_> BluesKaj:  it can use png :) and jpeg i belive also
[14:18] <VXxed> Whoops, caps..
[14:19] <VXxed> But yeah.  Is there a way for me to control my laptop fans?
[14:19] <ghatak> Hi, Ubuntu One client on my my 9.10 never connects. anyone else having same issues ?
[14:19] <honka> can you control them in windows?
[14:19] <VXxed> Dunno.  Can't install it
[14:19] <om26er1> ghatak: no
[14:20] <om26er1> works fine for me
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: isnt it on the screen for like a second?
[14:20] <VXxed> No cd drive, tablet won't boot from usb either
[14:20] <Guest10153> hi! i am havin a serious problem. i am running karmic and did a upgrade yesterday. now today linux wont start with a kernel panic "VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". the root fs is a ext4. grub loads the ext2 module (?). any advice on how to fix grub?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, I tried jpg , but no luck , and I noticed the splash files in /usr/share/images/grub file were all under 900kb
[14:20] <Dr_Willis_> ive used larger ones i think BluesKaj
[14:24] <ghatak> om26er1: any idea what do i do to check what is wrong with mine ?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, I have my timeout set to 10secs in /default/grub
[14:24] <ubuhantu> hi.. im using ubuntu nbr karmic rc. the problem is i cannot find desktop switch. please help me.. thank you
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: why?
[14:24] <om26er1> ghatak: retry
[14:24] <BluesKaj> so I can boot into windows without rushing :)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> if i need to
[14:25] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, there is an error on this wiki, when backing up the theme it tells you to just rename it to .backup, but the thing will still get executed when you update grub
[14:25] <spaceBARbarian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[14:25] <om26er1> ubuhantu: its not in karmic
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: ive not played with grub, i think grub2 is massively OTT
[14:25] <Dr_Willis_> i think it may be said to make it unexecutable earlier in the wiki
[14:26] <om26er1> ubuhantu: but you might install it
[14:27] <ubuhantu> om26er1 : please tell me how to install it
[14:28] <om26er1> ubuhantu: i tried to find the package but i failed to find it
[14:28] <om26er1> ubuhantu: in jaunty i searched netbook in synaptic and desktop switcher was there but now i can't find it
[14:29] <ubuhantu> om26er1 : ok, maybe we need to wait for other to help us :)
[14:30] <[V]ortex`> hello i was advised not to update to karmic on the release day itself; is this advise sound?
[14:30] <om26er1> ubuhantu: or u might try logging out and see if there is another session
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, any idea why only one of the nondefault splash screens that are so called installed, is listed in system settings splash screen manager option
[14:30] <om26er1> ubuhantu: i can't cuz nbr is being installed atm
[14:31] <Dr_Willis_> BluesKaj:  hmmm
[14:31] <ubuhantu> om26er1 : ok, i try.. hold on
[14:31] <VXxed> Does anyone know how I can figure out how to gain control of the face buttons on the tablet monitor?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, I must hve installed at least 10-12 , but only one shows up
[14:31] <Dr_Willis_> where exactly BluesKaj ? i dont even have a system settings splash screen..
[14:31] <om26er1> configuring apt is still at 80% what will happen if i skip it
[14:32] <Dr_Willis_> theres way too many splashes and  stuff these days
[14:32] <om26er1> at the moment i have a very slow internet
[14:33] <Buuntu1> can someone help me with a problem I'm having after trying to upgrade to Karmic?  I can't boot up... Here's the exact problem -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8162956#post8162956
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, the gnome equivalent must exist
[14:34] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: I don't think a clean install would be as bad as you think
[14:34] <ubuhantu> no desktop switcher on ubuntu nbr karmic rc :(
[14:34] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: last time I did that, all my links and programs didn't work
[14:35] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: my guess is because I only copied over the home directory
[14:35] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: what links and programs?  ff links?  programs you installed after the fact?
[14:35] <om26er> ubuhantu: tell me
[14:35] <ubuhantu> om26er : no luck
[14:36] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: hmm, I don't exactly remember.  Also, I've installed a lot since the last backup I made...
[14:36] <om26er> ubuhantu: w8 let me search
[14:36] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: well, you could probably boot with a livecd
[14:36] <ubuhantu> om26er : okay
[14:36] <Shapeshifter> humm. karmic is a bit broken. When I boot it, it takes a while and the shows the desktop, but for about 40 seconds I can't use the gnome-panel (only the desktop) and the tray area is missing. Then it appears and everything is fine. And if I shut down or log out, it says that power manager isn't reacting and I can choose to exit anyway. And if I log out, the login greeter doesn't appear. I needed to restart gdm manually.
[14:37] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: with that, you can check the install, fix any upgrade errors
[14:37] <ChogyDan> Shapeshifter: try: sudo apt-get remove sreadahead         may that improve boot speed
[14:38] <om26er> ubuhantu: its called desktop-switcher and its discontinued
[14:38] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: will a Jaunty live CD work?
[14:38] <honka> what is sreadahead for?
[14:38] <om26er> honka: speed
[14:38] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: possibly.  I really don't know the ramifications of that, but I would give it a try
[14:39] <ubuhantu> om26er : is that mean we cannot use desktop switcher anymore?
[14:39] <virtuald> boot speed
[14:39] <om26er> ubuhantu: yes
[14:39] <[V]ortex`> hello is it wise to download 9.10 on the day of release or should i wait?
[14:39] <honka> I do not think so.If it was for speed then it would not be included , since it slows down, as he suggested to be removed
[14:39] <ChogyDan> [V]ortex`: use a bittorrent
[14:39] <om26er> ubuhantu: gtg install complete
[14:40] <ubuhantu> om26er : ok see ya later
[14:40] <ChogyDan> honka: it is a boot pre-cacher of sorts.  It is for increasing boot speed
[14:40] <[V]ortex`> ChogyDan: i am unable to bittorent
[14:40] <honka> ok
[14:40] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: I'm not really sure what to do once I get in the live CD though, I guess I can copy over /home at least?
[14:40] <Shapeshifter> ChogyDan: boot speed is fine for a ubuntu, but it's freezing gnome-panel. I doubt readahead is the problem here.
[14:40] <ChogyDan> honka: but, it can clash with the kernel and slow things down instead
[14:40] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: yea
[14:41] <virtuald> honka: if you've updated your boot programs it needs to "profile" the next boot
[14:41] <Shapeshifter> mh now it's frozen again
[14:41] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update%20Failure
[14:41] <Pilif12p> Also, whats "Ubuntu Firefox Modification" addon?
[14:41] <Cyberkilla> It's a shame Empathy uses the wrong status icon theme (there is a bug report on it - simply using the wrong prefix on the items or something like that)
[14:42] <virtuald> honka: that's what takes time. (unless there's a bug i don't know about.)
[14:42] <honka> ok
[14:42] <ubuhantu> anybody?
[14:42] <Cyberkilla> Some XMPP command support wouldn't go a miss either.
[14:42] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: I think you also need to mount /dev and /sys
[14:43] <Nexos> Hi. Just upgraded to karmic from Jaunty, and all videos (but flash ones, like youtube) lack the "red" part. Tried with mplayer, vlc for XVID,DivX and DVD. I use nvidia driver. Any idea what could cause this (tried with stock & latest nvidia driver)?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Nexos: have a nvidia card here,no problem atm
[14:44] <Cyberkilla> No problem for me either.
[14:44] <thiebaude> everything is fine here, also
[14:45] <Nexos> I've only this problem for videos; everything else if fine
[14:45] <Cyberkilla> Nexos: Wait, there was a problem for me in totem. I had to change the video settings in its preferences because the image was of the wrong hue.
[14:45] <Cyberkilla> Nexos: Perhaps not the same problem you are having. Could there be something in nvidia-settings to fix it?
[14:46] <Nexos> I'll have a look... just a sec
[14:46] <Cyberkilla> Nexos: Yup, there are definitely some XVideo settings in nvidia-settings. I don't know if it will sort your problem out, but it's worth a look.
[14:46] <shadeslayer> Nexos: yeah see the man page and try some of the rendering options given there...
[14:47] <Nexos> well I used the same driver (185) in Jaunty with no prob
[14:48] <thiebaude> Nexos: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[14:48] <Nexos> I first tried the stock one, then used a PPA to get latest driver, then activated it using "hardware drivers" (+reboot)
[14:49] <thiebaude> ahh, ok
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Nexos: so youre using a nvidia driver from the ppa and not the standard repo?
[14:50] <Nexos> shadeslayer: I had the prob with the driver from the standard repo as well (hence the upgrade)
[14:50] <Cyberkilla> The 185 drivers are different. It's .36 instead of .14 btw.
[14:51] <Nexos> I just had a look in nvidia-settings; nothing particular IMHO: all color channels active, ...
[14:51] <om26er1> can any1 give me some info about wireless networking between two linux
[14:51] <Cyberkilla> Nexos: Strange. Sorry, I have no idea in that case: )
[14:51] <om26er1> ubuntu and fedora
[14:51] <WiresAP> I just installed karmic koala beta on my asus 1005HA, with the encrypted home folder option chose at the install time. At the beginning of the first boot, I was told I was going to enter a second password for this option, which I could initiate with a command. Being new to Ubuntu, I hit next on the panel, rather than Launch this action now, not realiwing there wasn't a back button to compliment the next button (there reall
[14:51] <WiresAP> y should be - how might I suggest this?).
[14:52] <WiresAP> My question is: what was the command, or where might I find the documentation to this issue (I'm unsure what it is called, and thus my google results have failed me)? Thanks in advance!
[14:52] <Nexos> Could it be some codec "architecture" problem instead?
[14:53] <Shapeshifter> and now it hans at " * Loading LIRC modules" after I did apt-get install lirc.
[14:53] <Shapeshifter> *hangs
[14:53] <om26er1> is there any app for wireless networking
[14:54] <om26er1> or connection manager can do the job??
[14:54] <thiebaude> !info wicd
[14:55] <robin0800> om26er1: you don't mean sharing do you i.e. samba
[14:55] <Shapeshifter> now what do I do? It just hangs there. I did modprobe lirc_i2c lirc_dev in another terminal and they completed fine.
[14:55] <Shapeshifter> ldmod shows lirc_i2c lirc_dev and lirc_imon all running
[14:55] <om26er1> robin0800: data transfer
[14:56] <Shapeshifter> but apt-get just hangs -.- And if I kill it, then it will complain next time and if I do dpkg --configure -a it shows the debconf dialog again from lirc and will hang again.....
[14:56] <tgpraveen1> !info gnome-user-share
[14:57] <robin0800> om26er1: well you can go to any folder and right click and go to the sharing tab
[14:57] <om26er1> robin0800: and its done??
[15:02] <The_Lord_Of_The_> shouldn't we do something crazy for the launch?
[15:03] <Dr_Willis_> im going to take the week off from IRC
[15:03] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[15:03] <Dr_Willis_> i dont want to hear the same 10 questions asked over and over and over
[15:03]  * thiebaude im having a launch party just like the windows 7 folks
[15:03] <The_Lord_Of_The_> how about posting a giant Ubuntu poster on Eiffel Tower?
[15:03] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: We could replace you with a bot
[15:04] <Dr_Willis_> I allready am a bot, :)
[15:04] <thiebaude> haha
[15:04] <robin0800> Dr_Willis_: don't blame you see you at 10.2 alpha1
[15:04] <Dr_Willis_> MS new marketing slogan "Windows 7 - its NOT vista!"
[15:04] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[15:05] <robin0800> XP upgrade?
[15:05] <Shapeshifter> lol this is so broken.
[15:05] <The_Lord_Of_The_> have you heard any crazy ideas for the launch guys?
[15:05] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis_: i going to start saying, what is windows,lol
[15:05] <Shapeshifter> lol can't even switch to TTY1. only the mouse moves.
[15:06] <Shapeshifter> why is this so broken.
[15:06] <MrKeuner> hi, when woke from suspend my laptop suspends immediately again. Another wake attempt wakes it up fine. What may be the problem?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis_> MrKeuner:  ive notices a similer thing with screen savers/dimming
[15:06] <MrKeuner> thinkpad r52 here
[15:06] <Shapeshifter> mhh, at least magic sysrq works.
[15:06] <Dr_Willis_> MrKeuner:  in your case ive heard that the battery may not be getting read right. so it thinks the power level is critical
[15:07] <G_A_C> MrKeuner: there's at least two bugs open for that
[15:07] <G_A_C> I think one is 425411
[15:08] <MrKeuner> G_A_C, thaks, I'll subscribe to that
[15:08] <G_A_C> there's another one as well but I can't remember the number
[15:09] <Cyberkilla|AFK> My poor Banshee icon has a black background : (
[15:10] <VXxed> Question: Does anyone know how to gain control of the fans in laptops?
[15:11] <VXxed> MrKeuner: Are you sure you're not sending it to sleep and then closing the laptop thereby suspending it too, sending mixed messages?  Or is this a desktop
[15:12] <Cyberkilla|AFK> VXxed: Can you do that by echoing numbers into the right file in /proc/...
[15:13] <Cyberkilla|AFK> VXxed: Idk, I'm sure I've heard someone talk about this before.
[15:13] <MrKeuner> VXxed, that's a laptop. I am not sure if I have not done that you have described
[15:13] <MrKeuner> that's possible
[15:13] <MrKeuner> but still a bug I would say
[15:13] <sdg> I wish I had a spare USB 1GB or greater drive...
[15:14] <shadeslayer> VXxed: ik8fangui
[15:14] <shadeslayer> VXxed: although it supports a small no. of laptops and pc's its worth a try
[15:15] <VXxed> shadeslayer: Separate app?
[15:15] <shadeslayer> VXxed: yep
[15:15] <shadeslayer> VXxed: its actually : i8kfangui
[15:16] <shadeslayer> VXxed: apparently you can access them via kernel modules too : http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/index.html
[15:16] <VXxed> Should I not be using the "ubuntu software center" for this?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> VXxed: see the end of the page
[15:16] <VXxed> Because it doesn't have it
[15:17] <shadeslayer> VXxed: 1)Fans are actually controlled by the BIOS
[15:18] <om26er1> usb creator don't even format any flash
[15:18] <shadeslayer> VXxed: 2)youll need a thorough of your system inorder to use i8kfangui
[15:19] <VXxed> Wait, that's a windows app...
[15:20] <shadeslayer> VXxed: see the bottom of the page ><
[15:21] <VXxed> Y.
[15:21] <VXxed> Yar.
[15:21] <VXxed> But
[15:21] <VXxed> I'm on a fujitsu t4020 tablet
[15:21] <shadeslayer> VXxed: indian?
[15:22] <om26er1> VXxed: that would be yaar
[15:23] <shadeslayer> om26er1: you too?
[15:23] <VXxed> Do you know what a thermal indicator would look like on a motherboard?
[15:23] <om26er1> shadeslayer: no
[15:23] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:23] <VXxed> Because I THINK I may have messed with it when I was disassembling and fixing some wiring...if it looks like a cord with a rubber tube on it.
[15:23] <om26er1> shadeslayer: but neighbour
[15:24] <shadeslayer> om26er1: ah.. that explains it :P
[15:24] <VXxed> Alright, this thing is getting waaay hot.  Brb.
[15:24] <shadeslayer> om26er1: im from india :)
[15:24] <om26er1> shadeslayer: i guess we are neighbours then
[15:24] <i_is_broke> anyone know why a intell box would boot slow, has 2 gig of ram, 2.5 gig celeron processor, grub shows then it has flashing cursor for about a whole minute then brings up splash screen?
[15:25] <BluesKaj>  Dr_Willis_ just for your info, splash screen files can be DL'd from kde or gnome-look.org and installed right from /home/user without extracting ,using the splash screen manager.
[15:25] <lubosz> hi, i'm upgrading with update-manager. what do i have to configure in the grub-pc dialog for "Linux Command Line"
[15:25] <lubosz> it is empty by default
[15:25] <Dr_Willis_> BluesKaj:  what splash screen manager? :)
[15:25] <om26er1> can any 1 open this: https://one.ubuntu.com/auth/login/?next=/
[15:25] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, whatever gnome uses to install spalsh screens i guess :)
[15:26] <Dr_Willis_> BluesKaj:  theres none on this box..
[15:26] <Dr_Willis_> but like i really need a splash after xsplash....
[15:26] <mom_> will the translations of karmic be ready this thursday as well (like the french and spanish versions)?
[15:26] <Dr_Willis_> mom_:  they should be
[15:27] <om26er1> any irc channel for chrome (browser)
[15:27] <Dr_Willis_> No idea try #chrome :)
[15:27] <Dr_Willis_> !list
[15:27] <Dr_Willis_> !channels
[15:28] <mom_> its the same iso image for whatever language?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> om26er1, try #chromium-support
[15:29]  * shadeslayer wonders if xsplash works with kdm
[15:33] <HardDisk> I'm wondering and probably wishful thinking that the ath5k module and the many netbook owners complaining about the wifi timing out and disconnecting and not able to wake up again won't be resolved before Karmic's release huh?
[15:34] <om26er> grub gives the error no such device UUID of my memory card. but i am still able to boot
[15:35] <Amaranth> HardDisk: Unless it's fixed already in up-to-date karmic it won't be fixed for the final release
[15:35] <jimpop> Amaranth, so why was u+1 say "file a bug" for the past week to everyone posting problems?
[15:36] <Amaranth> jimpop: Today is the last day to get any such fixes in
[15:36] <jimpop> but will they get fixed?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> jimpop: so that they could release a fix as soon as the final release is out
[15:36] <HardDisk> Amaranth, oh I'm well aware of the uptodates even checking svn's in ppa's and such
[15:36] <Amaranth> jimpop: But it's always good to have bugs filed so we can track them for an SRU or for lucid
[15:36] <jimpop> lol
[15:36] <Amaranth> jimpop: We don't fix every bug before release, that'd be impossible
[15:36]  * jimpop thinks everyone should wait for Lucid
[15:36] <topyli> jimpop, it's still a good idea to file bugs. karmic will get bugfixes just like any release
[15:37] <shadeslayer> jimpop: thats what they said for karmic
[15:37] <Dai> jimpop: is there a good reason for everyone to wait for lucid?
[15:37] <HardDisk> it's just the issue that the older madwifi modules worked fine with jaunty and intrepid, when ath5k was introduced it broke it back to square 1 :)
[15:37] <jimpop> yes, apparently that's when all the bugs will be fixed
[15:37] <Dai> note: good reason, not ridiculous reason.
[15:37] <Dai> that is a ridiculous reason
[15:37] <shadeslayer> jimpop: impossible
[15:37] <Amaranth> jimpop: No, not at all
[15:37] <Dai> not a good reason
[15:37] <jimpop> lol
[15:37] <HardDisk> i think its a good reason
[15:37] <HardDisk> thats why we have LTS and the other builds
[15:37] <shadeslayer> jimpop: *everything* has bugs
[15:37] <topyli> Dai, for anyone who only runs LTS releases
[15:38] <Dai> HardDisk: then you'll never use another OS again
[15:38] <HardDisk> other builds fix the errors that leads to the next LTS basically
[15:38] <Dai> because they ALL have bugs.
[15:38] <Amaranth> LTS just means "we support this longer"
[15:38] <shadeslayer> exactly
[15:38] <Dai> look at hardy as an LTS
[15:38] <Amaranth> It doesn't necessarily mean "we made sure this was stable"
[15:38] <HardDisk> yep
[15:38] <topyli> Dai, they're still running hardy and will not upgrade until lucid
[15:38] <jimpop> Ha!
[15:38] <Dai> it was exceptionally buggy due to pulse's introduction
[15:38]  * penguin42 wishes we had a bug fix only release every so often
[15:38] <Amaranth> Although we are putting more focus on that this cycle
[15:38] <Dai> topyli: that is a good reason :)
[15:38] <HardDisk> because of all the new tech
[15:38] <HardDisk> new remix gui
[15:38] <HardDisk> new gnome
[15:39] <shadeslayer> new gnome :)
[15:39] <HardDisk> new hal
[15:39] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: no hal :P
[15:39] <HardDisk> new grub
[15:39] <HardDisk> no?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: its called udev :)
[15:39] <HardDisk> well you know what i mean :)
[15:39] <Amaranth> jimpop: But there are 72212 bugs open against Ubuntu right now
[15:39] <jimpop> yes, Karmic has more bells and whistles than Hardy.... big whoop if your network or screen won't work well
[15:39] <HardDisk> lol
[15:39] <HardDisk> reminds me back in the day with compiz
[15:39] <Amaranth> jimpop: If we stopped accepting new bug reports and spent the next 3 years doing nothing but fixing those we might knock 1/3 of them off
[15:39] <shadeslayer> jimpop: the number just keeps growing
[15:40] <HardDisk> who cares if your cube rotates and you cant play solitaire on it.
[15:40] <thiebaude> haha
[15:40] <jimpop> nice
[15:40] <Amaranth> compiz has always worked perfectly for me ;)
[15:40] <IdleOne> Solitaire is broken??? :(
[15:40] <thiebaude> HardDisk: you can still play solitaire on it,lol
[15:40] <shadeslayer> kwin works fine for the past 3 releases
[15:40] <HardDisk> just work with me
[15:40] <om26er> compiz has now become better in kicmic
[15:40]  * jimpop better understands the old-school Debian release mentality
[15:40] <Amaranth> I started on nvidia which had the best support for it then switched to intel right about the time nvidia went down the tubes and intel got all the stuff needed
[15:41] <HardDisk> btw any of you here in loco's?
[15:41] <penguin42> jimpop: Unfortunately they didn't get the bugs fixed either
[15:41] <Amaranth> jimpop: Sure but no one takes you seriously without a predicable schedule
[15:41] <Amaranth> That's why everyone except Debian sets a date for release instead of "when it's done"
[15:41] <jimpop> i suppose... but then again nobody will take you seriously with 72000+ bugs ;-)
[15:41] <HardDisk> reminds me of my ex wife
[15:41] <shadeslayer> Also everyone has the latest features except debian
[15:42] <Amaranth> jimpop: All distros have large numbers of bugs open like that, even debian
[15:42] <HardDisk> well openbsd is still lacking :)
[15:42] <Amaranth> Debian releases when all "release critical" bugs are fixed
[15:42]  * HardDisk waits for the openbsd fans
[15:42] <Amaranth> The rest of the bugs they fix on a best effort basis
[15:42] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: there are none in this channel i think
[15:42] <HardDisk> and its based on seriousness
[15:42] <BluesKaj> openbsd wouldn't run on my 64bit sys
[15:43] <Amaranth> We've fixed all our release critical bugs too
[15:43] <jimpop> when?
[15:43] <jimpop> does "fixed" also include prematurely closing bug reports?
[15:43] <HardDisk> in other words fixed all the bugs that normal people would usually complain about like why their icons arent shiny enough
[15:43] <penguin42> (Has anyone else seen a problem with dual head on Karmic where they end up mirrored on resume?)
[15:43] <jimpop> Amaranth, what about Poulsbo support?
[15:44] <Amaranth> jimpop: We can't do anything about poulsbo support
[15:44] <jimpop> haha
[15:44] <Amaranth> Talk to intel
[15:44] <jimpop> Intel says you lie
[15:44] <HardDisk> who's paul?
[15:44] <om26er> cadence as said by shuttleworth if succeeds might result in more bug fixes
[15:44] <shadeslayer> yeah whose paul :P
[15:44] <jimpop> Intel says they've done all they can do
[15:44] <Amaranth> jimpop: But you can obviously see they haven't
[15:44] <HardDisk> until amd comes up with something better
[15:44] <HardDisk> its like tom and jerry
[15:44] <Amaranth> Where is the updated driver for 2.6.31?
[15:45] <jimpop> Amaranth, no, i'm more inclined to believe Intel at this point
[15:45] <shadeslayer> jimpop: why so?
[15:45] <HardDisk> nice my netbook crashed at a critical kernel error
[15:45] <shadeslayer> (easier to blame the devs i guess :( )
[15:45] <HardDisk> time to submit..
[15:45]  * jimpop has Poulsbo drivers working on his AAO.... something that Ubuntu says is impossible an Intel's fault
[15:45] <Amaranth> jimpop: You hacked the hell out of it too
[15:46] <Kano> jimpop: which kernel?
[15:46] <penguin42> jimpop: the wiki page on paulsbo says the drivers work kind of on some kernels and some versions of X
[15:46] <jimpop> the Ubuntu+Poulsbo bug is a packaging+distro problem... yet Ubuntu continues to blame Intel
[15:46] <jimpop> Amaranth, no hacking
[15:46] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: Poulsbo : http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en-IN&q=Poulsbo&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Poulsbo,+WA&ei=snLkSvXYNaXu6gOhtI3kAQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQ8gEwAA
[15:46] <HardDisk> jimpop your wifi still drops?
[15:46] <jimpop> HardDisk, no
[15:46] <HardDisk> why not
[15:46] <jimpop> why not what?
[15:46] <jimpop> why no drops?
[15:46] <HardDisk> you hacked and installed a broadcom?
[15:46] <Amaranth> Kano: Someone either ported the driver to 2.6.31 or reverted all the changes in 2.6.31 that made the driver fail to compile
[15:46] <jimpop> HardDisk, no
[15:46] <mom_> does karmic go on the servers at midnight GMT on Thursday?
[15:47] <Amaranth> mom_: No
[15:47] <HardDisk> cause everyone has problems with ath5k and aao
[15:47] <shadeslayer> mom_: not necessarily
[15:47] <mom_> Amaranth, what time?
[15:47] <Amaranth> mom_: It's usually early evening GMT
[15:47] <HardDisk> unless you're using something else?
[15:47] <Kano> Amaranth: url
[15:47] <timber> does anyone know about a bug on gnome-screensaver that the screensaver doesn't appear?
[15:47] <Amaranth> Kano: None, they were talking about it here
[15:47] <jimpop> HardDisk, i see..  well on my AAO it is and has been working fine since I figured out which drivers to install
[15:47] <shadeslayer> mom_: x Hrs x Mins x sec @ put_time_zone_here
[15:47] <mom_> Amaranth, early evening on thursday or wednesday?
[15:47] <Amaranth> mom_: thursday
[15:47] <Dr_Willis_> there is no set time. :)
[15:47] <Dr_Willis_> its done when its done
[15:47] <HardDisk> which drivers? it automatically loads ath5k if you're using karmic
[15:48] <MrKeuner> my mouse movements work, left clicks work but other buttons do not work, what may be the problem
[15:48] <penguin42> Amaranth: Have you any idea what it is that is posting kernel bugs to launchpad with the time and cut here text rather than the real first line of the oops?
[15:48] <mom_> Dr_Willis_, starting to sound like debian ;)
[15:48] <HardDisk> unless you're not on karmic
[15:48] <HardDisk> xp wifi never drops
[15:48] <HardDisk> karmic wifi drops
[15:48] <Dr_Willis_> mom_:  no debian would say  Check the web site..
[15:48] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[15:48] <jimpop> HardDisk, here's the Bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-psb/+bug/330906
[15:48] <HardDisk> and doesnt wake up again
[15:49] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: xp doesnt have the shiny cube,karmic does... compete with that
[15:49] <jimpop> filed many weeks ago and yet goes ignored by Ubuntu
[15:49] <Amaranth> penguin42: I suppose apport
[15:49] <mom_> i was just wondering because our install party is for thursday so hopefully we can find a mirror to download a copy from
[15:49] <HardDisk> dude im just saying, im a loyal user for years, heck im the chanop for ubuntu egypt
[15:49] <shadeslayer> jimpop: its triaged,you need to get your info right
[15:49] <jimpop> lol
[15:49] <penguin42> Amaranth: It's just I was browsing bugs and there seem to be a fair number of them which can't be making life any easier
[15:49] <jimpop> its' being ignored
[15:49] <Dr_Willis_> whatever triaged means
[15:49] <Kano> jimpop: do you use vaapi?
[15:50] <penguin42> jimpop: It might not be something that can be easily fixed
[15:50] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis_: basically its waiting to be looked at by some dev
[15:50] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis_: only the most important ones
[15:50] <jimpop> triaged (depending on severity) can mean sidetracked or in surgery
[15:50] <HardDisk> if only they take bribes
[15:50] <Dr_Willis_> 'its on their to do list of things to add to the real to do list'
[15:50] <jimpop> Kano,  no
[15:50] <Kano> why not, thats the best card for vaapi
[15:50] <jimpop> HardDisk, lol
[15:50] <jimpop> Kano, huh
[15:50] <Kano> thats the only thing i would test on it
[15:50] <jimpop> Kano, ?
[15:51] <Amaranth> jimpop: All the crazy stuff you had to put in xorg.conf means the driver isn't working correctly
[15:51]  * jimpop has no idea what vaapi is
[15:51] <Kano> jimpop: gma 500 has accellerated mpeg2, h264 and vc1 over vaapi
[15:51] <Amaranth> NoACPI == fail
[15:51] <Amaranth> err, IgnoreACPI
[15:51] <jimpop> Amaranth, right... what kind of AAO do you have?
[15:51] <Amaranth> jimpop: I have a real laptop :P
[15:51] <maco> aao?
[15:52] <om26er> maco: aspire one
[15:52] <jimpop> Amaranth, so i would say than that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to AAOs ;-)
[15:52] <maco> ah
[15:52] <maco> our demo machine for the last show-ubuntu-off thing the loco did was a AAO with jaunty
[15:52] <maco> worked fine
[15:52] <Amaranth> jimpop: And I would say that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to how much hackery we're willing to accept :P
[15:52] <jimpop> Amaranth, I have a "real" laptop too... but the way forward is netbooks and Ubuntu *should* be supporting them
[15:53] <Amaranth> jimpop: Putting jaunty's psb driver in karmic would require hacks in xorg as well to force those options on by default
[15:53] <jimpop> not true
[15:54] <Amaranth> And using EXA with MigrationHeuristic greedy basically disables 2D hardware acceleration
[15:54] <jimpop> the xorg-psb driver just needs to be repackaged for karmic
[15:54] <Amaranth> jimpop: No, there is more to it
[15:54] <jimpop> Amaranth, you should spend more time building something up than tearing (something you admit you don't know) down.
[15:54] <Amaranth> Because we don't want you to have to create an xorg.conf by hand
[15:55] <BluesKaj> hmm do I detect a pi**ing contest here :)
[15:56] <jimpop> BluesKaj, yep... between someone trying to get something working, and an Ubuntu member who is stonewalling
[15:56] <Amaranth> jimpop: Your method is a hack
[15:56] <jimpop> Amaranth, that is lies
[15:56] <thiebaude> lol
[15:57] <Amaranth> jimpop: That is obviously true
[15:57] <om26er> what can be said about xorg intel driver compared to the one by intel itself on windows. is it 60%capable??
[15:57] <jimpop> Amaranth, my method only involved using a Karmic PPA and 1 Jaunty deb
[15:57] <Amaranth> jimpop: You're running a driver meant for 2.6.28 on 2.6.31 and changing xorg.conf options so it doesn't hit the part of the driver that fails with 2.6.31
[15:57] <topyli> sounds like a hack to me :)
[15:57] <jimpop> Amaranth, topyli, you can call it a hack,  I call it a config
[15:57] <i_is_broke> sounds like work in progress to me..lol
[15:58] <BluesKaj> jimpop, perhaps asking for help, instead of showing attitude and negative critique would get you somewhere
[15:58] <jimpop> Amaranth, topyli, editing /etc/hosts is a hack to you?
[15:58] <robin0800> Is EXA recommended for  ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] rev 0, as xorg is not using it
[15:58] <Dai> BluesKaj: some people don't know any better
[15:58] <topyli> jimpop, whut?
[15:58] <jimpop> BluesKaj, there is no help to ask for.
[15:58] <Dai> jimpop: no, using drivers for a different kernel is a hack.
[15:58] <jimpop> BluesKaj, I have a solution that works, it's reported in a Bug, and it goes ignored. ;-)
[15:58] <jimpop> Dai, so re-compile them
[15:59] <jimpop> Brilliant!
[15:59] <Dai> jimpop: i don't need to.  YOU are the one using jaunty drivers...
[15:59] <jimpop> right, and they work
[15:59]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...
[15:59]  * Dai headdesks
[15:59] <mac_v> lol
[15:59] <jimpop> but Karmic AAO users shouldn't have to come to me to get drivers that work for their netbooks
[16:00] <Dai> i wouldn't wish that on any user
[16:00] <mac_v> !offtopic | jimpop
[16:00] <thiebaude> haha
[16:00] <jimpop> lol
[16:00] <Dai> i'd rather send them to someone less belligerent.
[16:00] <thiebaude> offtopic has been suspended.lol
[16:00] <jimpop> push the people trying to improve the product (not just improve the release schedule) to offtopic
[16:00] <mac_v> crap!
[16:01] <i_is_broke> !crap
[16:01] <maco> jimpop: whine to intel for dropping linux like a hot potato?
[16:01] <Dai> you're not trying to improve anything, you're just complaining.  if you want to fix the driver, do so.  using drivers for another release is not improving *anything*
[16:01] <jimpop> maco intel hasn't dropped it... that is just FUD you are repeating
[16:01] <Amaranth> Now if we could find the guy that actually did real work to get psb working on karmic instead of just hacking it up...
[16:02] <jimpop> Dai.. but if using drivers from another release can prove a point... then someone can take those Jaunty drivers and release them under Karmic
[16:03] <thiebaude> jimpop: good point
[16:03] <aorist> any known issues with /dev/video vanishing when upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10?
[16:04] <Petengy> hi to all
[16:04] <Petengy> I have a big problem, upgrading to Karmik my nvidia driver doesn't work anymore, I have to run ubuntu using vesa driver... do someone could help me ?
[16:05] <Petengy> I cleaned (I suppose) my system from all old nvidia drivers
[16:05] <thiebaude> Petengy: did you goto system-administration-hardware drivers?
[16:05] <Petengy> yes
[16:05] <Petengy> and I activated nvidia driver fomr here
[16:05] <Petengy> from
[16:06] <thiebaude> Petengy: did you do sudo nvidia-settings?
[16:06] <Petengy> no
[16:06] <VXxed> Hey guys, i'm back.
[16:06] <thiebaude> and save X to configuration
[16:06] <VXxed> Tablet is inally cold enough again.
[16:06] <thiebaude> Petengy: set your resolution first
[16:06] <MrKeuner> why wouldn't right click work while left click does?
[16:07] <MrKeuner> no hardware problem
[16:07] <maco> test w/ xev
[16:07] <e3co> what is the issue with 9.10 start up time? On my system is seems significantly slower then 9.04
[16:07] <mac_v> aorist: built-in webcam?
[16:07] <e3co> by around 10 sec.
[16:08] <Petengy> but nvidia settings doesn't start before to reboot the system (after activating nvidia drivers from hardware drivers) but boot stop in a black screen
[16:08] <aorist> mac_v, yes, I see in dmesg that "uvcvideo" detected it but apparently failed to initialize it
[16:08] <thiebaude> e3co: mine is
[16:08] <mac_v> aorist: acer aspire laptop?
[16:08] <MrKeuner> maco, I did it does not send anything
[16:08] <e3co> thiebaude:  your is what?
[16:09] <aorist> mac_v, no, dell m1530
[16:09] <thiebaude> e3co: slower at boot than 9.04
[16:09] <Petengy> in other worlds the only way to get inside ubuntu (for me) is to use vesa drivers
[16:09] <aorist> mac_v, camera worked w/ 9.04
[16:09] <maco> wow an unsupported mouse O_o
[16:09] <e3co> Also pidgin notifications don't work on the notify panel applet
[16:09] <thiebaude> Petengy: no
[16:09] <Petengy> thiebaude: ?
[16:09] <e3co> thiebaude:  so not just me, thats good
[16:09] <mac_v> aorist: hmm, i'm not sure then :( ... acer has a problem with its webcam
[16:09] <aorist> http://pastie.org/669029
[16:10] <om26er> mac_v: web cam fps problem?
[16:10] <MrKeuner> maco, http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=099
[16:10] <Petengy> thiebaude: it's from this morning I'm trying to solve this issue
[16:10] <MrKeuner> maco, it was working in jaunty
[16:10] <mac_v> om26er , the webcam doesnt even start ;
[16:10] <Petengy> thiebaude: I habe two black boxes under my eyes .... :)
[16:10] <VXxed> Should I have files in /proc/acpi/fan and /proc/acpi/thermal_zone ?
[16:11] <thiebaude> Petengy: did you have ubuntu search for the recommended drivers?
[16:11] <Petengy> yes... when I choose the "recommened" drivers from "hardware drivers"
[16:12] <thiebaude> Petengy: what happens?
[16:12] <thiebaude> after that
[16:12] <mac_v> om26er > what fps problem were you mentioning? bug# ?
[16:12] <Petengy> thiebaude: it's seems ok, no error messages, but when I reboot the system, during the boot phase al became black
[16:12] <Petengy> thiebaude: and stop
[16:13] <Petengy> thiebaude: no messaseg only black screen
[16:13] <Petengy> thiebaude: also in recovery mode
[16:13] <thiebaude> Petengy: did you save your resolution settings as root?
[16:14] <Petengy> thiebaude: I didn't change the resolution
[16:14] <Petengy> thiebaude: I can do that ?
[16:14] <Petengy> how
[16:14] <thiebaude> Petengy: sudo nvidia-settings
[16:15] <thiebaude> and then apply and then save to X configuration
[16:15] <Petengy> thiebaude: I have not nvidia driver installed now... I must install them now ?
[16:15] <thiebaude> yes
[16:16] <Petengy> thiebaude: ok
[16:17] <Petengy> thiebaude: ubuntu is downloading and installing driver (from "hardware drivers")
[16:17] <thiebaude> Petengy: cool
[16:17] <thiebaude> Petengy: we will get it working
[16:17] <Petengy> thiebaude:I hope :)
[16:17] <Petengy> thiebaude: now I must restart the system..... becasue sudo nvidia-settings doesn't work
[16:18] <aorist> well that was interesting, fixed the webcam problem
[16:18] <Petengy> thiebaude: but rebooting make me to the black screen
[16:18] <aorist> rebooted on the old 26 kernel, then rebooted again back to 31
[16:18] <aorist> now it works
[16:18] <aorist> hardware must have been stuck in a strange state.
[16:19] <thiebaude> Petengy: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:19] <thiebaude> in a terminal
[16:19] <wild_oscar> hey, is something wrong with the services management in karmic? I was having a problem with nfs-kernel-server not starting at boot, and now I am seeing that postfix doesn't start either. I've posted about the nfs-kernel-server bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/455045
[16:19] <Petengy> thiebaude: done
[16:19] <thiebaude> your in xorg.conf?
[16:19] <thiebaude> Petengy:
[16:19] <Petengy> !pastebin
[16:20] <Petengy> thiebaude: http://paste.ubuntu.com/301381/
[16:20] <thiebaude> ok
[16:20] <Petengy> thiebaude: :)
[16:20] <assoguerozen_sx> 9.10 rc alternate cd cant install gnome, if u do terminal system installation
[16:21] <thiebaude> Petengy: under Screen add "Default Device"  and save it
[16:21] <Petengy> thiebaude: ok
[16:21] <thiebaude> now, sudo nvidia-settings
[16:22] <assoguerozen_sx> nautilus works well in xfce4?
[16:22] <thiebaude> if your resolution is correct then save to X configuration
[16:22] <assoguerozen_sx> or thunar is better?
[16:22] <thiebaude> then your xorg.conf is then correct
[16:22] <Petengy> thiebaude: sorry I'm not finding Screen
[16:23] <VXxed> Should I have files in /proc/acpi/fan and /proc/acpi/thermal_zone ?
[16:23] <thiebaude> under Section "Screen"
[16:24] <Petengy> thiebaude: Under "screen" section I have to change "Device" to "Default device" instead "Configured Video Device" ?
[16:24] <penguin42> VXxed: I do
[16:24] <VXxed> Well shit...
[16:24] <VXxed> Maybe THAT'S why my fans don't spin up?
[16:25] <thiebaude> no add it under "Default Screen"
[16:25] <thiebaude> add it
[16:25] <arielCo> Hello everyone: I'm trying to install mplayer, but aptitude says both mplayer and mplayer-nogui are broken: "Depends: libdirectfb-1.0-0 which is a virtual package". The proposed solution is "doing nothing" >_>
[16:25] <thiebaude> "Default Device"
[16:25] <VXxed> Uhh...lol.  That's weird arielCo
[16:26] <Petengy> thiebaude: I done but it doesn't work : http://paste.ubuntu.com/301385/
[16:28] <thiebaude> Petengy: no,  Device           "Default Device"
[16:29] <thiebaude> put that where you have Default Device
[16:29] <Petengy> thiebaude: sorry ... ok done
[16:29] <thiebaude> ok
[16:29] <agruman> heya, in gnome-term some of the ctrl-key combos dont work, ex ctrl-], however when using xterm it works. Any suggestions to how i could fix this?
[16:29] <thiebaude> can you paste the new one to me?
[16:30] <arielCo> this is my current sources.list: http://pastebin.com/m266d7ea5
[16:30] <Petengy> thiebaude: ok but "udo nvidia-settings" doesn't work, maybe I have to restart xgorg ?
[16:30] <thiebaude> ok
[16:30] <rapman> to arielCo: Download Ubuntu Tweak and you can enable mplayer repository from there.
[16:30] <Kano> mplayer is outdated anyway then
[16:30] <thiebaude> sudo nvidia-settings
[16:31] <om26er> when i installed ubuntu 9.10 themes in google chrome were awesome but after a dist-upgrade they are very ugly and small
[16:31] <om26er> i am talking about fonts
[16:31] <om26er> not themes
[16:31] <k5ehx> why would ubuntu have started up apt-get dist-upgrade all on its own? This is a recent RC upgrade.
[16:31] <k5ehx> om26er: yeah, me too
[16:31] <penguin42> om26er: Fonts look OK for me in chrome
[16:31] <k5ehx> at least in firefox
[16:32] <om26er> penguin42: open cdimage.ubuntu.com and see that font's are they alright? plz check
[16:33] <evilaim_> Ok, this is getting unbarably frustrating
[16:33] <evilaim_> when ever I reboot, all my compiz settings go back to default, my visual effects go back to none...
[16:34] <k5ehx> AOL doesn't work on your new koala upgrade, evilaim_ ?  ;-P
[16:34] <zoidfarb> hey, I'm running RC, I did a fresh install, but I preserved my old /home partition, and now I have a weird glitch: when I got to "files and folders" and try to open a folder, it tries to open with VLC instead of Nautilus. Any idea how to fix that? Where are preferred apps saved?
[16:34] <evilaim_> This is really really really annoying
[16:34] <Petengy> thiebaude: I'm trying adding Modes       Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" in my xcorg.conf... then I suppose I have to restart the system in order to make the graphics server able to "read" my enchantments ...
[16:34] <zoidfarb> oh, sorry I'm running NBR RC
[16:34] <penguin42> om26er: Yeh that's fine for me
[16:34] <thiebaude> ok
[16:35] <om26er> how can i reinstall the fon't engine
[16:35] <om26er> penguin42: how to reinstall fon't engine
[16:35] <Petengy> thiebaude: I hope to "see" you later ;). TnX in advance
[16:35] <penguin42> om26er: I don't think there is an engine assuch; there are lots of things that can make it up
[16:35] <k5ehx> evilaim_: maybe you are setting the compiz settings in an unexpected way?
[16:37] <arielCo> rapman: I installed Tweak (cute, good for new users) - it complains about broken packages too.
[16:37] <k5ehx> evilaim_: by which, I mean a way that compiz is OK with, but some other management system doesn't sync well with. Dunno much about compiz, though, sorry.
[16:38] <om26er> courier new font looks so dim
[16:38]  * thiebaude off to football for me
[16:38] <Pilif12p> mzz: Are you having connection problems, or is it moznet itself?
[16:39] <om26er> which package includes times enw roman
[16:39] <om26er> times new roman
[16:40] <om26er> and courier new
[16:41] <k5ehx> om26er: xfonts-*dpi I think
[16:41]  * penguin42 wonders what the point of chvt 63 is in the power saving code
[16:41] <ripps> Is it possible to re-thumbnail a video file with totem-video-thumbnail if it fails the first time?
[16:42] <robin0800> zoidfarb: install a usb stick open the computer and rightclick on stick select properties and the open with add open folder and make default
[16:42] <evilaim> GAR!
[16:42] <amgarchIn9> Hi, in Karmic with KMS, new Xorg, and Intel videodriver "xrandr" doesnt change resolution anymore. Whom to blame? What to test?
[16:45] <penguin42> amgarchIn9: I'd probably look at whether the rest of xrandr is giving you sane outputs and also look in dmesg for any errors
[16:53] <MrKeuner> My mouse's right click does not work after karmic update. Left click and middle click does work. how can I see what may be wrong with my mouse, mouse settings, or something else?
[16:53] <assoguerozen_sx> guys what pkg manager is best for xfce4?
[16:53] <tanath> ok, who screwed up xterm colours?
[16:54] <tanath> my xterm bg was black, and now it's white. the xterm-color file still says default black though
[16:57] <damnedyankee>  Hello.  I'm running the beta and Ubuntu is having a hard time finding my internet connection upon startup.  It takes a couple of restarts for it to get it.  Any suggestions, or should I just ride it out until Karmic gets out of beta?
[16:57] <blueglasses> some of the apps appear and disappear so quickly, i cant regulate sound for them in sound control, how do I see all apps sound preferences?
[16:58] <mfpb221> hi everyone, can anyone tell me why my live cd installation gets stuck after step 3 (looking for partitions)? right now i just have one big xp partition. thanks.
[16:58] <amgarchIn9> penguin42: oops, today it behaves differently. They changed the names to LVDS1/VGA1. But  display is stil grabled, at least I could restore the old resolution.
[16:58] <mmcji> i have the latest RC1 of ubuntu 9.10 installed on a Dell E5500 Latitude.  This laptop has Intel GMA 4500 video.  Laptop resolution if fine, but I am not able to adjust video resolution when connected to a larger widescreen LCD.  What can I do?
[16:59] <ubuntuLover_> Hi ubuntu brothers! I installed 9.10 beta and all I get is a black screen on boot! I have tried lots of fixes from Ubuntu forums but no luck yet. Anyone willing to help me for lots of grtitude and a reasonable fee via paypal?
[16:59] <penguin42> amgarchIn9: Yeh the VGA/VGA1 change happened early in Karmic
[17:00] <damnedyankee> Hrm.  Lot of questions, but no answers.  Ominous.
[17:01] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  it would be easier if you gave some more details.. like what video card.. and what all you 'tried'
[17:02] <ioka> how to undo changes made by this command echo "chmod ugo+rwx" > /dev/sda2
[17:02] <penguin42> ouch
[17:02] <Dr_Willis_> err   you used a SUDO with that ioka ?
[17:03] <ioka> I used root
[17:03] <ioka> I was root
[17:03] <damnedyankee> Oh dear
[17:03] <ubuntuLover_> Sure, I have a nvidia geforce go 7600, I tried installing GRUB2 to the hard drive's MBR by chmoding into the disk via the live cd (which is actually on a USB pen and that I am using right now)
[17:03] <Dr_Willis_> you just wiped out sda2,,,,,,
[17:03] <penguin42> ioka: Is sda2 mounted and what filesystem?
[17:03] <ioka> it was not mounted
[17:03] <mmcji> I have not yet done Xorg -configure to generate a xorg.conf as laptop resolution is fine.  I just am not able to resolve the widescreen resolution issue on larger LCD displays.
[17:03] <penguin42> ioka: What filesystem?
[17:03] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: Maybe - maybe recoverable
[17:03] <ioka> fat32
[17:04] <Dr_Willis_>  You just wrote the letters 'chmod ...'  to the start of sda2   Eww,,,
[17:04] <Deihmos> how do you change the color depth ?
[17:04] <Deihmos> can't find this any where
[17:04] <phaidros> hi, karmic beta doesnt have a hal backend for cups anymore. how do I get my printer running then?
[17:04] <Dr_Willis_> penguin42:  yea not sure how  tho,
[17:04] <ioka> one guys said that this command will change the permission of the parition
[17:04] <penguin42> ioka: If it's small I'd take a block level backup of the entire sda2 and then try fsck.vfat on it; you will need look to recover it
[17:04] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  i just plugged in my printers and they worked....
[17:05] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: not here.
[17:05] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: Well with ext3 there are back ups of the superblocks - I doubt that's true on FAT, but I'm not even sure fat uses the first few bytes
[17:05] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: karmic beta doesnt have a hal backend for cups anymore
[17:05] <phaidros> u read that?
[17:05] <phaidros>  Unable to execute /usr/lib/cups/backend/hal: No such file or directory
[17:05] <phaidros> until jaunty this was in hal-cups-utils.
[17:05] <Deihmos> can't get flash installed. always ends up with an error
[17:06] <maco> phaidros: karmic doesnt use hal
[17:06] <scott_ino2> Deihmos, how are you trying to install it
[17:06] <phaidros> maco, good point.
[17:06] <phaidros> but, what does that mean to my printer?
[17:06] <Deihmos> install missing plugins from firefox
[17:06] <maco> its udev now
[17:06] <phaidros> cups isnt accepting file:/dev/usblp0 as printer ..
[17:06] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_: I know it's not a simple fix because even on my previous version of ubuntu I was only able to boot by installing grub on a usb pen
[17:06] <ioka> I was lied and the partition is gone
[17:07] <phaidros> maco: I expected it to be udev, but I have no clue about udev :)
[17:07] <Lotto> http://action.metaffiliation.com/suivi.php?mclic=S42350516A5D1117
[17:07] <ioka> what else does that command do?
[17:07] <scott_ino2> Deihmos, open up Synaptic and install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:07] <ioka> one wiping the partitions?
[17:07] <scott_ino2> it will install flash for you
[17:07] <Dr_Willis_> it writes the raw data of those characters to the hard drive ioka
[17:08] <phaidros> so, it was hard to get that hp lj5p running on a usb2serial adapter with hal, but how does one do it with udev?
[17:08] <ioka> is the hard disk demaged?
[17:08] <Dr_Willis_> ioka:  in theory its just that one partion's first few blocks gone.. but thats the boot record and  posibally the fat table..
[17:08] <phaidros> the printer dialog is not finding the printer
[17:08] <Deihmos> it says the installation or removal of a software package failed
[17:08] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: It was sda2 not sda
[17:08] <Dr_Willis_> ioka:  not damaged.. but you may of erased an imoprntant part of the data
[17:09] <Dr_Willis_> ioka:  using sda would of erased grub and perhaps everything.. :) sda2 = just that one parittion
[17:09] <penguin42> phaidros: Eech you're running a printer on serial?
[17:09] <phaidros> penguin42: printar *has* only serial :p
[17:09] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_: (I can see you're busy but did you read this?) Sure, I have a nvidia geforce go 7600, I tried installing GRUB2 to the hard drive's MBR by chmoding into the disk via the live cd (which is actually on a USB pen and that I am using right now)
[17:09] <ioka> I understand that the data of the partition is gone.Is that right?
[17:10] <phaidros> I find that it is a regression if old hardware doesn't work anymoar .. :/
[17:10] <penguin42> phaidros: Weird! I've seen parallel+serial I think, I can't remember a serial only except teletype
[17:10] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  grub2 souldent be affecting the video card drivers,
[17:10] <damnedyankee> OK, I guess I'll give the forums another shot.  Hang loose, y'all.
[17:10] <phaidros> penguin42: oops. I believe I meant parallel ^^
[17:10] <penguin42> phaidros: OK, that's not sick :-)
[17:10] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  that makes more sence.. :)
[17:10] <Acnaven1> Anyone have a shutdown problem in Ubuntu 9.10 RC? I mean it turns itself off my Ubuntu computer.
[17:10] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:Oh, how so?!
[17:11] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  my parallel -> usb adaptor worked here for my laserjet6l :)
[17:11] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  grub boots the system.. the nvidia drivers are used by X.. the 2 are not related.
[17:11] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: how do you add printers on such adapters?
[17:11] <Deihmos> is there a system restore?
[17:11] <phaidros> the printer dialog is not detecting the printer
[17:11] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  i just plugged it in and went to the cups web config page.
[17:11] <phaidros> hm
[17:11] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  check dmesg output when ya plug it in to see if its even seen
[17:12] <blueglasses> Deihmos, you can try recover, on startup, or else, allways backup
[17:12] <Dr_Willis_> ioka:  it MIGHT be recoverable with some of the dos/filesystem tools.
[17:12] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: have to have it plugged in during boot iirc ..
[17:12] <ioka> what tools?
[17:12] <Deihmos> tried to install flash from website now the whole thing is messed up
[17:12] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:Ok but if the drivers are the issue wouldn't I at least see Grub? I don't see grub at all just a black screen
[17:12] <amgarchIn9> does your Gnome/KDE handle resolution change properly? Try "xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x768" or LVDS or VGA depending on your settings. Check possible names/modes with "xrandr" .
[17:12] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: k it is there: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x4348 pid 0x5584
[17:13] <blueglasses> ioka the data on a partition is only gone if you erase that partition or if you format it
[17:13] <aliendude5300> Hi, I need some help getting valgrind logs for gvfs-metadata since it starts itself, and I can't reproduce the problem by starting it manually, as I explained in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/459439
[17:13] <phaidros> what do I do with that dmesg to get udev detecting this thing and doing it's job?
[17:13] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  i dident see that part mentiuoned.. if grub has no menu.. then you got grub issues first to deal with..
[17:14] <blueglasses> Deihmos, just apt-get remove
[17:14] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  its showing its seen as usblp0: for starters so perhaps its just a config issue.
[17:14] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  tried the cups web interface yet to add printers?
[17:14] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: yes, but further nothing happens. and the dialog doesn't see it ..
[17:14] <phaidros> ah, the webif .. good point
[17:14] <phaidros> :)
[17:15] <ioka> echo "chmod ugo+rwx" > /dev/sda2
[17:15] <ioka> what does echo do?
[17:15] <blueglasses> Deihmos, you can also use uninstall on Synaptic
[17:15] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:I think the problem is deeper than that. I think I have MBR issues because I installed grub but it doesn't come up. But do I need grub to boot into a single OS install of 9.10 beta and no other OS?
[17:16] <Ian_Corne> ioka: that doesn' tlook like a good idea
[17:16] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  you need grub yes.
[17:16] <ioka> no I am asking what does echo do?I already executed it
[17:17] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: well, webif shows generic printers (SCSI, CupsPDF, HP Printer & Fax)
[17:17] <phaidros> I doubt it detected one ..
[17:17] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:Ok, how do I mae sure tht it's installed properly?
[17:17] <penguin42> phaidros: Does it not have anything for local interfaces any more?
[17:17] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, try starting again from live cd, and backup your data
[17:17] <phaidros> penguin42: yes the 4 generic ones ..
[17:17] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:Does the live CD prompt me to install GRUB?
[17:17] <penguin42> phaidros: So it has SCSI printers but not parallel? !!!
[17:18] <blueglasses> ioka, man echo
[17:18] <phaidros> penguin42: looks like ..
[17:18] <penguin42> phaidros: Well I did see a SCSI printer once, about 15 years
[17:18] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:Does the live CD prompt me to install GRUB?
[17:18] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, no
[17:19] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:How is re-installing going to help then?!
[17:19] <StrangeCharm> i'm trying to install the karmic server rc. during the 'detect disks' stage, it prompts me whether to activate SATA RAID devices, but - either way - they are not visible in the partitioner. how can i make the disks attached to the SATA 'RAID' device on my mobo show up in the partitioner?
[17:19] <phaidros> penguin42: I doubt it detected it, it is generic printers, because the modules are there (imho), coz it is asking for the complete connection line (which one never knows .. like ipp:// or http:// ..) so somehow useless :)
[17:19] <blueglasses> it will show you working gnome system where you can do everything
[17:19] <penguin42> phaidros: file://dev/lp ? or the like?
[17:20] <ioka> well man echo does not answer .Anyway.
[17:20] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:Oh I see you mean loading the live CD and not installing again from the live CD. I am using the live CD as we chat :)
[17:21] <Ahadiel> ioka, "echo - display a line of text"
[17:21] <Ahadiel> ioka, straight from echo's manpage
[17:21] <phaidros> file:/dev/usblp0, choosing hp lj5p foomatic: when ading the thing finally it sez: 'cleint-error-not-possible) and in the logs: Returning IPP client-error-not-possible for CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer (ipp://localhost/printers/HP-LaserJet-5P) from localhost
[17:22] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, you shouldnt, live cd works as root, you dont wanna be root on irc
[17:22] <phaidros> but I didn'T add ipp://, I did file://
[17:22] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:Erm... why not :-S
[17:22] <penguin42> ioka: echo writes a line of text out - just try echo hello   at the command line, because you redirected it to /dev/sda2 you will have overwritten the first bit of the partition with the output of echo
[17:22] <penguin42> phaidros: I'd try attaching the cups web interface
[17:22] <Ahadiel> ubuntuLover_, So you want to reinstall grub using the livecd?
[17:23] <Dr_Willis_> ipp is the method the cups server shares the printer perhaps.
[17:23] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, because its a security issue
[17:23] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: Yeh it's a remote printing protocol
[17:23] <ioka> thank you <penguin42>
[17:23] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I did that yesterday.
[17:23] <xzased> hi. Im having a problem with cdemu. It starts fine and I installed kcdemu as frontend but when I try to mount an image it says "Errror: All virtual drives are in use". Im using kubuntu karmic rc. If someone knows how to fix this please let me know.
[17:23] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  on some of my old printers i had ti install some ectra ppd packages,
[17:23] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: like lpd but infinitely more complex
[17:23] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:And didn't fix the black screen issue
[17:23] <Dr_Willis_> !info cdemu
[17:23] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: it wokred before with jaunty+hal ;)
[17:24] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, does your pc has a CD player?
[17:24] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, does your machine boots from the live cd?
[17:25] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:yep, it's a laptop but I'm running the Live CD from a USB pen
[17:25] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:Yep, I am doing t s we chat :)
[17:25] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, thats not a cd, it uses different methods to boot
[17:26] <phaidros> penguin42: File device URIs have been disabled! To enable, see the FileDevice directive in "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf". (from webif) ^^
[17:26] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, when you boot, what happens?
[17:26] <phaidros> I'll dig into cups.conf then :)
[17:26] <penguin42> phaidros: Grrr that's silly
[17:26] <phaidros> ack
[17:26] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I see the initial testing memory and detecting devices screen
[17:26] <TDJACR> I can't get sound on my MacBook Pro 5,3 and the directions on the wiki didn't help
[17:26] <penguin42> phaidros:  Real men still use parallel
[17:26] <jdahm> I've noticed that karmic still makes a funny pop/thunk sound when I change volume and there is nothing already playing.  Is there a way to turn this off, or switch the sound?
[17:26] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:and afterwards only a black screen
[17:26] <penguin42> phaidros: But still, it sounds like you have a bug there somewhere that needs reporting
[17:27] <phaidros> penguin42: if the machine would have the parallel port ^^
[17:27] <jdahm> This is probably a gnome or alsa issue
[17:27] <jdahm> er pulseaudio
[17:27] <phaidros> penguin42: at least a regression
[17:27] <Amaranth> Wow, ioka seriously messed up his partition
[17:27] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, did you try switching to prompt by doing CTRL+ALT+f1?
[17:27] <Amaranth> The first few bytes are the start of the FAT table so the entire partition is just trash
[17:28] <Amaranth> photorec can recover pictures from it but there is nothing else you can get off it
[17:28] <BluesKaj> jdahm, could be your volume in alsa is cranked to the max, which isn't necessary , 70% is plenty to drive speakers to their max.
[17:28] <penguin42> Amaranth: Well, it's an interesting way to screw a partition up :-)
[17:28] <phaidros> I believe udev should trigger a script (hotplug?) which uses vendor Id and product Id to add that printer ..
[17:28] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:no, hmm... would that work even before I see grub?!
[17:28] <phaidros> anyone familiar with such things?
[17:28] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, nope, on the blackscreen
[17:29] <penguin42> phaidros: But I think in your case it should be noticing a parallel port and realising it can't do vendor id at that level?
[17:29] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:but the black screen is before grub :-S
[17:30] <phaidros> penguin42: it actually *is* detecting that there is a printer, otherwise /dev/usblp0 wouldn't get touched
[17:30] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, as i recall it, live cd wont show grub, it will go directly to gdm (gnome login)
[17:30] <evilaim> I can't get "Visual Effects" to stay on after I reboot.  They are on and compiz is all setup, I reboot, then it's all back to default.
[17:30] <evilaim> any idears?
[17:30]  * Cyberkilla|AFK will be back.
[17:30] <phaidros> but neither can I use the device file nor does udev do it for me :(
[17:30] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:wait you're missing some info
[17:30] <penguin42> phaidros: Is it a perm problem on /dev/usblp0?
[17:31] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, the blackscreen problem is your Xserver configuration
[17:31] <phaidros> penguin42: tell me first how to add that printer on /dev/usblp0 to cups :)
[17:31] <evilaim> Very very annoying
[17:31] <guntbert> blueglasses: I only saw the last part - did you run an md5sum on the iso image?
[17:31] <penguin42> phaidros: Let me see if I can nick a cups config off my machine with one :-)
[17:31] <phaidros> yay :)
[17:31] <guntbert> ubuntuLover_:  I only saw the last part - did you run an md5sum on the iso image?
[17:31] <guntbert> blueglasses: soory
[17:32] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I installed 9.10 beta on the hard drive from the live CD, the installation went fine but uppon boot I only get a black screen, this is without the Live CD (which is running from a USB pen) in
[17:32] <blueglasses> guntbert nope, I upgraded directly from 9.04 with upgrade manager, repositories work fine here :D
[17:33] <guntbert> blueglasses: sorry, my question was meant for ubuntuLover_ :)
[17:33] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, I see, i had that problem once
[17:33] <penguin42> anyone got a pastebin that doesn't have annoying screwed ads?
[17:34] <ubuntuLover_> guntbert:no I didn't
[17:34] <phaidros> pastie.caboo.se ?
[17:34] <penguin42> phaidros: Yeh! http://pastie.org/669106
[17:34] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, on start, press ESC
[17:34] <guntbert> ubuntuLover_: I'm not sure if it is important in this case - I thought you have trouble booting from the CD?
[17:34] <phaidros> penguin42: thanx dude
[17:35] <penguin42> phaidros: That's my /etc/cups/printers.conf on my box with a parallel samsung printer connected
[17:35] <phaidros> penguin42: sure, but my printer is on /dev/usblp0 ..
[17:35] <ubuntuLover_> guntbert:no, I have trouble booting from a fresh install of 9.10 beta :)
[17:35] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, then you are in grub, wich asks what kernel version you should start, choose recover
[17:35] <phaidros> I give it a try anyways
[17:35] <penguin42> phaidros: Yeh but replace the /dev/lp1 with the /dev/usblp0
[17:35] <phaidros> penguin42: ack
[17:36] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I tried pressing esc already, nothing happens!
[17:36] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I don't think it's finding grub and is failing silently
[17:36] <SeySayux> Hi, does anybody know how I make grub not to display a menu?
[17:36] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, what happens when you CTRL+ALT+F1?
[17:37] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, dont do it on the live, do it on the installed system
[17:37] <elvirolo> has anyone had any luck using xnee under ubuntu?
[17:37] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:haven't tried, will do now... be back in a few mins
[17:38] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, try acessing a console and reconfigure your X server
[17:38] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, you do that with dpkg-reconfigure
[17:38] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:wht's the command?
[17:39] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:thanks :)
[17:39] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:brb
[17:39] <ioka> testdisk shows that the new partition  that has been created after echo "chmod ....." command
[17:39] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(your version)