[00:43] <|Anthony|> anyone here familiar enough with pulseaudio to help me setup a system-wide instance properly?
[01:29]  * AngelForget is away: Sono occupato
[06:08] <XATRIX> hi, how can i disable crash report messages ?
[06:08] <XATRIX> completely disable
[06:25] <XATRIX> any idea how to force root filesystem check on next reboot ?
[06:26] <XATRIX> i found  touch /forcefsck
[06:44] <yface31415> if you would not be using xubuntu, what would you be using? are there other distributions, that provide xfce as polished as xubuntu does?
[07:36] <TheSheep> yface31415: archlinux, possibly
[07:36] <TheSheep> yface31415: many xfce devs use it
[07:56] <Guido1> hello, i want to instal a printer (brother DCP 110C resp 115C). I already downloaded and executed cupswrapperDCP110C-1.0.2-3.i386.deb and dcp110clpr-1.0.2-1.i386.deb . What have i to do know? The printer is a samba printer
[08:53] <T4sh1> Hi
[08:56] <olbi> hello
[11:31] <recon_lap> anyone know how to get the font larger in the title bar of windows?
[11:33] <TheSheep> recon_lap: sure, set a larger font in window manager settings
[11:40] <recon_lap> TheSheep: well I've change the font setting in Appearance , but that only changes fonts in apps, but cant find the setting that changes the Title of apps? any hits, cause i'v been looking
[11:41] <recon_lap> ok, find it , bit hard to spot
[11:41] <TheSheep> recon_lap: it's in the window manager settings
[11:45] <recon_lap> TheSheep: find the setting manager is very fond hard use, it's very annoying that the setting manager closes after you open a sub option.
[11:49] <recon_lap> as there are so many options you keep having to go to the Application Menu and open the setting manager again and again, I actually added it to my panel with a launcher
[11:54] <TheSheep> recon_lap: it doesn't close
[11:54] <TheSheep> recon_lap: just click 'overview' to go back
[11:55] <TheSheep> recon_lap: it works exactly the same as the settings manager in gnome and macosx
[11:56] <recon_lap> TheSheep: never used the "overview" button, guess I might of recognized it if it said "Back" instead
[11:57] <TheSheep> it has a big-ass arrow pointing back on it
[11:57] <recon_lap> guess I know now :)
[11:57] <recon_lap> at the bottom of the screen which is normally off screen on these 9:11 screens
[11:58] <TheSheep> you have one of these?
[11:59] <recon_lap> the are nearly standard on laptops now, might have to numbers a bit wrong but they are twice as wide as tall
[11:59] <recon_lap> nearly
[12:00] <MCMasta> Hello there. I have a question about hardlinking. I have a lot of duplicated files in my home folder from backing up back and forth from different devices and I was thinking of using fdupes's hard-linking feature, to hardlink duplicate files and thus save space. From what I've read, this should work, but when I ran some test and hardlinked two pictures I just duplicated, Thunar showed that the directory had the size of the file times two.
[12:00] <MCMasta> Can anyone explain this, is this how it is, is it something with Thunar or am I missing something?
[12:00] <TheSheep> recon_lap: do you have one of these?
[12:01] <TheSheep> MCMasta: thunar just looks at the sum of sizes of files in the directory
[12:01] <TheSheep> MCMasta: it doesn't tell you how much they really take on the disk
[12:01] <recon_lap> 13.6"x7.6"
[12:01] <TheSheep> MCMasta: use the 'du' terminal command or the 'baobab' program to see the real disk usage
[12:02] <MCMasta> I see... Thank you. So if I would back this directory up, would it just take the disc space of one picture?
[12:03] <MCMasta> And what would happen if I backed this directory up to a NTFS harddrive?
[12:03] <TheSheep> MCMasta: what do you mean by "back it up"?
[12:03] <MCMasta> Copy it to a harddrive.
[12:04] <TheSheep> MCMasta: if you make a copy of it, then you have two files, taking the space separately
[12:04] <MCMasta> So it would take the disc space of two pictures?
[12:05] <TheSheep> every time you make a new copy, you will get a new file taking up its disk space
[12:06] <recon_lap> TheSheep:I thought a hard link only make a actual copy when it's different partitions?
[12:06] <TheSheep> no matter if the file is hardlinked in several places of the directory tree, or just in one, each time you make a copy of it, you get a new file
[12:07] <MCMasta> But if I copied the folder as a whole on to a ntfs harddrive, would it take up the space of both hardlinks of the pictures then?
[12:07] <TheSheep> recon_lap: sure, but he is talking about making a copy of a hardlinked file
[12:07] <TheSheep> MCMasta: depens on how you copy it
[12:07] <TheSheep> depends
[12:07] <MCMasta> I tend to use rsync.
[12:07] <TheSheep> MCMasta: rsync has a variety of options for controling that
[12:08] <MCMasta> Do I need to have a hardlink option added to the- Yeah, I see.
[12:08] <TheSheep> MCMasta: not sure if ntfs supports hardlinks, though, probably not
[12:08] <recon_lap> and a hard link is pretty useless as a backup, because if it get corrupted there is only one copy and you lose the data no matter how many links you have.
[12:08] <MCMasta> It doesn't, that's why I'm asking what would happen. It's a windows filesystem.
[12:09] <TheSheep> recon_lap: he's not talking about making hardlinks, but about making copies of hardlinked files
[12:09] <MCMasta> recon_lap, I don't think you understand. I have multiple copies of files on- What he said.
[12:09] <MCMasta> Or she, I don't know.
[12:09] <TheSheep> MCMasta: my guess is that either rsync will throw up an error telling you that it cannot copy with those options, or that it will fall back to making multiple copies
[12:09] <TheSheep> MCMasta: or both
[12:10] <TheSheep> MCMasta: on the Internet nobody knows you are a dog :P
[12:10] <TheSheep> MCMasta: the good news is that if you tar it up, it will only take the space of a single file
[12:10] <MCMasta> Hm... Well, that's good enough. Thank you, you've been very helpful! And be careful so the doghunters on the streets don't take you! :P
[12:11] <MCMasta> Nice!
[12:11] <TheSheep> and tar will also preserve all the ownership and permissions of files
[12:11] <MCMasta> That gave me more questions. :P
[12:11] <TheSheep> the bad thing is that you can no longer access single files that way
[12:11] <TheSheep> you have to untar them first
[12:12] <MCMasta> Can I tar something so the end file ends up directly on the hard drive?
[12:12] <TheSheep> it's like zip or rar
[12:12] <TheSheep> except that tar doesn't compress, just puts it all in one file
[12:12] <TheSheep> you can add optionz to gzip or bzip2 it though
[12:12] <MCMasta> And the untar thing wouldn't be a problem, because I would only have to look at the files again if my harddrive failed.
[12:13] <TheSheep> yeah
[12:13] <TheSheep> it's good for making a "snapshot"
[12:13] <TheSheep> but not for inceremental updates like with rsync
[12:13] <MCMasta> I know what a tar is, but is there a target option, a destination for the file? Wait, I'll check myself
[12:14] <TheSheep> -C
[12:14] <MCMasta> Found it as you said it. Well, I wouldn't mind tarring up my files if I could save the amount of file space I would.
[12:15] <MCMasta> And I could compress it while I'm at it.
[12:15] <TheSheep> I think the -p options makes it preserve all permissions and stuff
[12:16] <MCMasta> When I'm going to do the backing up stuff, I'll make sure to look through the options. :)
[12:19] <MCMasta> Oh, one more thing, TheSheep, should I tar my home folder by being inside the folder and using * or being in /home and tarring the folder mcmasta (my username on linux, too)?
[12:21] <TheSheep> MCMasta: I prefer the latter
[12:21] <MCMasta> because?
[12:21] <TheSheep> MCMasta: this way you will catch all the dot files too
[12:21] <MCMasta> Oh, they don' follow otherwise?
[12:21] <TheSheep> * doesn't catch them
[12:22] <TheSheep> just try and see: `echo *`
[12:22] <MCMasta> alright
[12:23] <MCMasta> Yeah, I see. Then I used echo .* which gave me all the things that have a dot, so if I used tar * .* that would catch them all, wouldn't it?
[12:24] <TheSheep> yeah, but doing it from one level up you don't have to remember taht
[12:24] <TheSheep> that
[12:24] <MCMasta> I see.
[12:24] <MCMasta> Thank you!
[12:25] <TheSheep> MCMasta: also think whether you want to exclude .cache, .thumbnails and trash
[12:26] <MCMasta> I usually empty my trash before backing up, but how much space would .cache and .thumbnails use? In the mega- or gigabyte range?
[12:27] <MCMasta> Oh, I checked myself, it's around 120 mb.
[12:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> Hello everyone... is there any way i can add my nas and local network to the GTK bookmarks?
[12:28] <TheSheep> MCMasta: try the "baobab" program, btw
[12:28] <MCMasta> Well, thanks for all the help again, TheSheep, but I have to go now. See you some other time, hopefully in the offtopic chat, because here would mean I needed help, and that something was broke. :P
[12:29] <MCMasta> and sure
[12:30] <MCMasta> Nice, charts and stuff. :P Bye
[12:32] <Samwise_> Hello! Does anybody know how i properly can install adobe digital editions?
[12:58] <|Anthony|> i'm running a dual head setup and want compiz to start on both screens at login. I have starting on the primary screen, but the second screen i have to open a terminal and compiz --replace
[12:58] <SkippersBoss> samwise_ http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=6326
[12:58] <|Anthony|> i'm looking at the session files and am not sure how to configure it in xfce-session.xml
[12:59] <|Anthony|> anyone here even know what i'm talking about?
[12:59] <theuser> i have a ubuntu laptop that turns it self of quite frequently
[12:59] <theuser> i dont have time to see what the messages on the console is before it shuts down
[12:59] <GridCube> |Anthony|, addint the string to >Configuration>session adn startup>autostart of applications" doesnt work?
[12:59] <theuser> which logfiles would contain this info
[13:00] <|Anthony|> GridCube, no there is a way to make it load instead of having the xfce desktop load. no need to load xfce first than replace. its a waste of time and resources
[13:00] <|Anthony|> lol
[13:00] <Mathias> theuser: checked the log?
[13:01] <|Anthony|> theuser, check /var/log/syslog
[13:01] <Mathias> there's logs of everything! (or almost everything) :)
[13:01] <theuser> which file?
[13:01] <|Anthony|> theuser, check /var/log/syslog
[13:02] <GridCube> welp, this is a xubuntu channel, you migh want to find a compiz channel  |Anthony|
[13:02] <|Anthony|> theuser, also might look at /var/log/kern.log
[13:04] <|Anthony|> GridCube: no, it would be a xubuntu question seeing as how compiz doesn't start itself and it is an xubuntu config type file that i need to make an entry in to launch compiz
[13:04] <Mathias> might be someone messed with your crontab just for a laugh :P
[13:04] <|Anthony|> compiz doesn't really care which de it runs in
[13:04] <|Anthony|> hehe
[13:04] <GridCube> i dont think so, you just said you dont want to start xfce, so i dont think it has nothing to do with that
[13:05] <GridCube> you need to tell compiz to start on other screen, thats not xfce fault
[13:05] <|Anthony|> GridCube, do you know where the xfce4-session.xml file lives?
[13:05] <theuser> Im seeing a bunch of "Critical temperature reached, shutting down"
[13:05] <theuser> may that be the issue
[13:05] <theuser> ?
[13:06] <|Anthony|> theuser, what laptop do you have/
[13:06] <GridCube> |Anthony|, >whereis xfce4-session.xml
[13:06] <theuser> dell N4030
[13:06] <Mathias> s/\/\?/
[13:07] <|Anthony|> GridCube, i know where it is. i also know that that is the file i need to edit to launch compiz instead of the xfce window manager
[13:07] <|Anthony|> ;)
[13:07] <|Anthony|> i just am not sure of the syntax for the entry i need to make
[13:08] <|Anthony|> GridCube, all the pretty gui frontends people use to change their settings have a backend to them. and sometimes there are more options in the files than there are in the gui
[13:10] <GridCube> |Anthony|, i do understand that, but xubuntu doesnt ship compiz for a reason, its complicated to work with, if you really need advanced help on it you need to find a channel where people who knows how to work whit it actually reside, its not that im asking you to leave, but you wont get much help from us here, because we dont really know
[13:11] <|Anthony|> lol at least you're honest
[13:12] <|Anthony|> theuser, http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/p/19419961/19986330.aspx
[13:12] <|Anthony|> you have probably found that link already though
[13:14] <|Anthony|> theuser, looks like there is a diagnostic mode there in the bios which would *hopefully* give you more specific info
[13:14] <|Anthony|> an error code we can use to reference
[13:14] <theuser> yes, thank you for the help anyhow
[13:15] <|Anthony|> theuser, what type of surface do you put the laptop on while in use?
[13:15] <Mathias> "also see: rinsed the fan(s) from dust lately?"
[13:16] <|Anthony|> hehe that's always a good place to start
[13:18] <theuser> when in doubt why not just bust out the hammer
[13:18] <Mathias> sledgehammer is better
[13:19] <Mathias> but a "vertical mill" is even better :P
[13:20] <theuser> I have a toolkit that can hack any computer
[13:20] <theuser> really
[13:21] <theuser> I bet a pint of beer i can hack any of your computers in less than 5seconds if i have physical access to it
[13:21] <theuser> :-p
[13:22] <Mathias> :P
[13:22] <Mathias> physical access is fun
[13:23] <Mathias> that's how i got xubuntu on this laptop, and admin on windows
[13:24] <theuser> I was  thinking more in the lines of  finishing of some brew, then grab an ax an hack your computer
[13:24] <theuser> Anyway i figgured out its failing hardrive... which is kind of what my little toe tingling was telling me
[13:25] <Mathias> :s
[13:25] <Mathias> that sucks
[13:25] <theuser> good time for a SSD swap
[13:25] <Mathias> ^^
[13:25] <Mathias> xubuntu with ssd must be really fast
[13:25] <theuser> well the good news is its still running so i'll slap the bitch into a usb cage and get the data out
[13:25] <theuser> yes
[13:26] <theuser> very
[13:26] <theuser> if you have a 2-3 year old computer
[13:26] <theuser> i'd sugest investing in ram and SSD instead of buying new
[13:26] <Mathias> i got a "brand new" one and a laptop from 2004
[13:27] <theuser> That'll probably take 2gb ram
[13:27] <theuser> and a 32-64gb SSD
[13:27] <Mathias> the old one?
[13:27] <Mathias> nah, it got IDE
[13:28] <theuser> and it outperform a budget new computer
[13:28] <theuser> ahw snap
[13:28] <Mathias> but i have shoved one gb ram into it
[13:28] <theuser> IDE ssd is expensive industrial stuff usual
[13:28] <Mathias> made it so much faster
[13:28] <theuser> It would still be a great thin client tough
[13:29] <Mathias> i use as a backup-server :P
[13:29] <theuser> haha
[13:29] <Mathias> and a nfs-share :P
[13:29] <Mathias> works great for that
[13:29] <theuser> I have a p4 running as thin
[13:29] <Mathias> intel pentium m :P
[13:30] <theuser> but i think a $60 android thing, about the size of a cigarete pack would probably out perform it
[13:30] <Mathias> but i got 2 p4 servers as backup for the laptop :P
[13:30] <Mathias> a rpi will out perform it :P
[13:30] <Mathias> still waiting on the rpi though :s
[13:46] <designbybeck> Greetings all, I'm fairly new to Xubuntu, having use Ubuntu and Kubuntu mostly. I do a project where we take donated computers, install FOSS and train kids how to use them. They get to keep the computers at the end.
[13:47] <designbybeck> We are about to lunch another session this weekend. But this go around I have some under powered systems. 512mb, P4,  standard MoBo video
[13:48] <designbybeck> I have Xubuntu running on it. I guess I'm just asking how to jazz it up a bit. Maybe best themes? and such?
[13:50] <GridCube> designbybeck, if you need speed you might want to try lubuntu aswell, but as themes go you can check: http://xfce-look.org/
[13:50] <GridCube> take to notice that you will need theme that are compatible with gtk2 and gtk3, if not things will be messed up
[13:52] <designbybeck> I wasn't a fan of lubuntu GridCube and acutally Xubuntu is running well enough with those specs. I don't think I'll get to teach them Blender 3D this go around though! ;) But I did open OpenShot and edited a 480p video
[13:52] <designbybeck> i'm chcking the themes now
[13:53] <GridCube> i've found that MyPaint is pretty fun to play with aswel, my nephew and niece love it
[13:54] <designbybeck> ah yes! I am not an artist but I love MyPaint. I do faculty development. And i've showed people how to use MyPaint as a whiteboard for their classroom
[13:54] <GridCube> :)
[13:54] <designbybeck> and of course David Revoy is a great showcase to the power of MyPaint and an Open Source Artistic workflow
[13:55] <GridCube> kids like it because it has a gazillion painting tools, and its not complicated like gimp
[13:55] <designbybeck> yeah! Have you tried Pencil?
[13:56] <GridCube> nope
[13:57] <GridCube> i do love pinta tho, even if its developed on mono
[13:57] <GridCube> its by far the best painting tool on linux nowdays
[13:57] <designbybeck> Pencil lets you animate as well
[13:57] <GridCube> :) ill see it when i have time
[13:57] <GridCube> :D but we should probably go to ot
[13:57] <GridCube> !ot
[13:58] <designbybeck> gotcha
[14:10] <designbybeck> GridCube: I hav a bunch of jumpdrives with random LiveBoot Linux installs for testing. Is there a way to check to see what Flavor the Distro is on a bootable drive without having to boot it?
[14:10] <designbybeck> it has all the boot casper dists md5 ldlinux.sys autoruninf ect
[14:10] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck, yes, usually by looking at the name of the iso file.
[14:11] <designbybeck> no no, it is already burnt to the jumpdrive
[14:11] <designbybeck> so there isn't an iso here
[14:11] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck, well that depends on the linux version.
[14:11] <designbybeck> it is ready to be booted off. I normally just throw it in and reburn another distro to it
[14:11] <designbybeck> i was just hoping for a quick way to view it without having to burn again, or take the time to boot off it to see
[14:11] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck, so, you dont' even want to use grub2?
[14:12] <designbybeck> blackgatonegro:  I'm just trying to see what ISO did get burnt to the jumpdrive before I use it
[14:12] <designbybeck> oh maybe the README.diskdefins file
[14:13] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck well, just look at the files there, usually there is a txt orhtml file that says what distro is
[14:13] <designbybeck> hmm maybe not
[14:14] <blackgatonegro> in puppy linux case is the name of a sfs file
[14:14] <blackgatonegro> for others distros
[14:14] <blackgatonegro> there is sually a readme file
[14:15] <blackgatonegro> or a html file that says "Welcome to *name of distro/version*"
[14:15] <designbybeck> I didn't see that on this usb
[14:15] <GridCube> designbybeck, there is a way, lsb_release -sc
[14:15] <blackgatonegro> look for a "grub" folder
[14:16] <GridCube> should work
[14:16] <designbybeck> about to install xubuntu and dual boot a windows7 netbook so I can go chat with you guys while I'm testing out the xubuntu systems we'll be giving away this weekend
[14:16] <GridCube> oh, you meant not by booting it
[14:16] <blackgatonegro> if that usb boots by grub you can usually see the version on one of the grub files
[14:16] <designbybeck> GridCube:  I was talking about before even booting, just plugging it into your system
[14:16] <designbybeck> yeah
[14:17] <GridCube> well then check /etc/lsb-release :P
[14:17] <GridCube> its a txt file
[14:18] <designbybeck> there isn't an /etc/ folder
[14:18] <GridCube> D: what?
[14:18] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck, stesp one is there any README file?
[14:18] <designbybeck> oh I found it
[14:18] <designbybeck> kinda
[14:18] <blackgatonegro> read that one first
[14:18] <designbybeck> /dists/precise
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> ok, is ubuntu
[14:19] <GridCube> mmm
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> you have any clue what version?
[14:19] <designbybeck> ah yes that README.diskdefines does show the distro
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> it could be xubuntu
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> ubuntu
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> lubuntu
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> and so on
[14:19] <designbybeck> good now that we have that solved, in that time, I already burnt xbuutnu to the flashdrive
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> there you go
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> occans razor as it finest
[14:20] <designbybeck> #define DISKNAME  Xubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release i386
[14:20] <blackgatonegro> A LTS is usually the best
[14:21] <blackgatonegro> want to know a secret?
[14:23] <blackgatonegro> there is an ubuntu even lighter than lubuntu
[14:23] <blackgatonegro> but you need a really good internet conection
[14:23] <designbybeck> ....go on......
[14:23] <blackgatonegro> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[14:24] <blackgatonegro> icewm ubuntu
[14:24] <Pici> !minimal
[14:24] <blackgatonegro> yes, but using it with icewm is the trick to make it very light
[14:24] <designbybeck> wow
[14:24] <designbybeck> that is light
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal * there is how to
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> the bad thing?
[14:25] <designbybeck> the hard problem I'm having right now with these systems, is we try to get them to kids for school work. So we are doing more graphics and video
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> you have to dowload about 1 gb of stuff
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> well
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> sugar is ok
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> but is mostly english only
[14:26] <blackgatonegro> xubuntu can work fine if you use light software
[14:26] <blackgatonegro> icewm is the trick to make a really light ubuntu
[14:27] <blackgatonegro> you can also try puppy linux
[14:27] <blackgatonegro> but at least 256 of ram is recomended
[14:30] <blackgatonegro> 12.4 LTS is recomended as is the last ubuntu with a cd image
[14:40] <designbybeck> how do you install a theme?
[14:40] <designbybeck> is there no easy install under Apperance?
[14:41] <designbybeck> I was trying this one http://jurialmunkey.deviantart.com/#/d316eqx
[14:41] <designbybeck> says Open Appearance Prefernces Click Install ?
[14:41] <designbybeck> I'm not finding that
[14:43] <blackgatonegro> in xubuntu
[14:43] <designbybeck> yes
[14:44] <blackgatonegro> go to settings/ settings manager / appearance
[14:44] <designbybeck> ok
[14:46] <GridCube> designbybeck, :) see the xubuntu.org faq's :D
[14:46] <designbybeck> hmmm
[14:46] <GridCube> you want number 7: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/
[14:46] <GridCube> :D
[14:47] <designbybeck> well yes I knew there was that way, but I was thinking there might be a nice install button or something
[14:47] <GridCube> nope
[14:47] <designbybeck> Again these are things I'll be teaching the kids, but we'll be doing commandline stuff anyway so I'll make them sink or swim ;)
[14:47] <designbybeck> Thanks
[14:48] <GridCube> no install thingy, make a wishlist bug and ill back it up for 13.10
[14:48] <GridCube> :P
[14:48] <GridCube> i mean .04
[15:04] <citr> GridCube,  it's designbybeck, don't kick me for two nicks
[15:04] <citr> I'm on the netbook beside the computer i'm installing software on. I put the theme in /home/.themes/THEMENAME
[15:04] <citr> but i don't see it when I go to apperance
[15:13] <GridCube> mmmhm thats weird
[15:13] <GridCube> try /usr/share/themes
[15:14] <GridCube> that shoudl work
[15:14] <citr> k let me  try that
[15:14] <GridCube> but then, where are you looking for the theme? in >settings>appareance?
[15:14] <recon_lap> is it possible to run a duel monitor through the VGA port on a laptop with intel HD 4000 card?
[15:15] <citr> yes settings/apparence
[15:15] <Sysi> citr: if you had settings dialog open when adding theme, close and re-open it
[15:15] <citr> i did Sysi , even restarted the system for the heck of it
[15:16] <Sysi> recon_lap: should be, try xrandr or arandr
[15:16] <Sysi> citr: what files folder "themename" contains?
[15:16] <Sysi> (if there's less than eight)
[15:17] <citr> AWN EMERALD METACITY a-new-hope.tar.gz README Sysi
[15:18] <Sysi> citr: extract that tarball and maybe move it's contents to themename or themename2
[15:18] <GridCube> oh its compressed
[15:18] <Sysi> you need to have gtk-something and maybe xfwm4 folders inside themename
[15:19] <citr> op! That did it !
[15:20] <citr> Thanks Sysi
[15:20] <citr> althought I think the way this theme works , this video card can't support the graphics?
[15:20] <Sysi> ahem?
[15:21] <GridCube> citr, that should not be any difference from before
[15:21] <GridCube>  but remember that themes need to work in both gtk3 and gtk2 spaces
[15:22] <citr> this is what I was trying to use http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Divergence+IV+-+%22A+New+Hope%22?content=133892
[15:22] <GridCube> citr, also sometimes if ~/.themes fail, they will work on /usr/share/themes
[15:22] <GridCube> dont really know why
[15:23] <citr> it has been a long time since I've done theme stuff with gtk2 3
[15:23] <citr> i normally use ubuntu unity these days
[15:23] <citr> and kde
[15:23] <citr> so it looks like it is the window border part not displaying
[15:24] <Sysi> you need to set that in window manager settings (stupid I know)
[15:24] <citr> ah yes I see that now... but I don't see the a-new-hope theme on this list
[15:24] <citr> do I have to install that somewhere else as well?
[15:25] <Sysi> if that theme package didn't contain xfwm4 theme, you need separate one
[15:26] <Sysi> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/ordinary+black+glass+-+wormwood?content=140382
[15:26] <Sysi> this has same style but colors probably don't match
[15:26] <citr> ok i don't see that xfwm4 anywhere
[15:27] <recon_lap> 21.5'' of screen loving with a desert sidebar of 15.6'' , all with 2 command and a bit of clicking 8-)
[15:28] <martinphone> i need to edit a .conf file as sudo, gedit doesnt work, can you suggest synonyms?
[15:28] <martinphone> sudo gedit path file
[15:28] <martinphone> is what i wrote
[15:28] <Sysi> gksudo leafpad
[15:29] <recon_lap> gkdu leafpad file
[15:29] <Sysi> you'll break things by using GUI apps with sudo
[15:29] <bazhang> !gksudo > martinphone
[15:29] <martinphone> k is only for apps that need a gui, am i wrong?
[15:29] <citr> I've heard that but haven't ever seen a case it broke something Sysi  ?
[15:29] <bazhang> martinphone, read the bot link
[15:30] <martinphone> !gksudo
[15:30] <Sysi> citr: see abowe
[15:31] <designbybeck> k
[15:31] <Sysi> with sudo you can have wrong file ownerships
[15:32] <martinphone> thx
[15:33] <bazhang> np
[15:33] <designbybeck> gotcha! That makes sense!
[15:33] <recon_lap> i'm slowly starting to remember to use gksu :)
[15:37] <Sysi> you could just learn vim you know :P
[15:38] <holstein> or nano, which is nice, and kind of an intro to CLI text editing
[15:39] <designbybeck> i'm getting to where I like nano!
[15:40] <designbybeck> i can use vi if i have to
[15:40] <designbybeck> but glad ubuntu installs nano by default! :)
[15:40] <Sysi> nano's syntax hilight seems to work quite randomly
[15:41] <citr> hmm come to think of it, i don't remember it syntax higlighting... does it do it by default?
[15:42] <Sysi> on some files
[15:43] <citr> ok so this 512MB  P4 Xubuntu 12.04 32bit system.... I'd like to put LibreOffice and GIMP 2.8 on it
[15:44] <citr> do I just do it the same way I would on Ubuntu?
[15:44] <Sysi> yup
[15:44] <citr> :D
[15:48] <martinphone> can you suggest a way to check if a proxy is socks4, 5 or html?
[15:48] <citr> should I uninstall the default productivity office stuff  first
[15:49] <holstein> citr: you dont need to... unless you are short on hard drive space
[15:49] <citr> ok holstein I should be ok on space, I'll leave it there to show the kids they can use what ever tool works best for the job
[16:19] <shpngld> good afternoon all. I just got a problem . I am running xubuntu. when i just logged the borders of the windows are gone and I cant type my skype login. The blinking symbol is gone. the only way to login is to paste the already written passwd from txt file in example. what shoul d i do
[16:20] <shpngld> the buttons for maximize/minimize are gone from all windows incl the terminal 1: i cant type nothing in it
[16:20] <shpngld> please help!
[16:20] <GridCube> shpank, press alt-f2 and write xfwm4 --replace
[16:20] <GridCube> and hit enter
[16:21] <shpngld> wow!
[16:21] <shpngld> GridCube, Thanks a lot!!! now i can type...what is the reason for that and how can i avoid it GridCube
[16:22] <GridCube> :)
[16:22] <shpngld> I dont want this to happen again....
[16:22] <GridCube> the reason is that xfwm4 failed to load for some reason, check that is listed on autostart of aplications on the settings manager
[16:22] <recon_lap> gremlins? did you feed them after midnight?
[16:22] <pleia2> shpngld: what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[16:23] <citr> recon_lap, it was a seed stuck in their teeth...
[16:23] <shpngld> pleia2, 12.04 i guess
[16:24] <pleia2> I haven't seen it happen much in 12.04, but it's a bug, can't really prevent it
[16:24] <shpngld> its the first time it happens ...all was ok last night
[16:25] <shpngld> GridCube,  what should i check in autostart app?
[16:26] <shpngld> GridCube,   xfwm4 is not listed there
[16:26] <GridCube> that xfwm4 s listed
[16:27] <shpngld> its missing there GridCube
[16:27] <GridCube> mmmm i dont have it either but it works
[16:27] <GridCube> maybe the --replace has fixed it already
[16:27] <GridCube> you can check if thats the case
[16:27] <GridCube> if not you can add it to the autostart it should work anyway
[16:28] <shpngld> GridCube, so i have to add xfwm4 --replace
[16:28] <citr> ok, got GIMP 2.8, Inkscape installed and they work
[16:28] <citr> Just watch Youtube video Gangham style
[16:28] <citr> now to install LO
[16:28] <GridCube> shpngld, sure, but check if it works before doing that
[16:29] <Sysi> shpngld: you should run "rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions"
[16:29] <GridCube> i mean try login out and in again and see if things are fine
[16:29] <shpngld> GridCube,  when i entered the command in alt f2 window and pressed enter everrything was back to normal
[16:29] <GridCube> :) then it should be fine
[16:29] <shpngld> GridCube, ok i will now :-)
[16:32] <shpngld> GridCube,  I have a problems
[16:33] <shpngld> Internal error
[16:33] <GridCube> o:
[16:33] <GridCube> what is it?
[16:33] <shpngld> but the windows are Ok and i can type
[16:33] <shpngld> GridCube,  do u want to see the log?
[16:34] <GridCube> shpngld, that always help, just pastebin it here, so anyone who knows how to help you will do
[16:35] <shpngld> GridCube, how can i copy it?
[16:35] <shpngld> there are a lot of lines
[16:35] <GridCube> !pastebinit
[16:35] <shpngld> and no option to copy/paste
[16:36] <citr> i use http://pasteall.org from the blender guys
[16:36] <citr> as well as http://paste.ubuntu.com/]
[16:36] <citr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:36] <GridCube> there are tons
[16:37] <citr> yes but those two don't have ads ;)
[16:38] <GridCube> :P true
[16:41] <shpngld> Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV
[16:41] <GridCube> you got that error now?
[16:41] <shpngld> cannto access at memory address0xd64b19
[16:42] <shpngld> im typinmg it from the log
[16:42] <GridCube> shpngld, the log is at /var/log/
[16:43] <shpngld> segfault happened at 0xd64b19: cannot acxcess memory at an adreess (same as above)
[16:43] <shpngld> ...ok
[16:44] <GridCube> you can do pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:44] <shpngld> GridCube,  which one is the prioper log...there r a lot of them
[16:44] <GridCube> that will return you a link, paste that link here
[16:44] <GridCube> :) that should work even if you dont have a gui working
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735]
[16:45] <shpngld> X.Org X Server 1.11.3
[16:45] <shpngld> Release Date: 2011-12-16
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735] Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.42-26-generic i686 Ubuntu
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735] Current Operating System: Linux buddy 3.2.0-31-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 7 16:17:36 UTC 2012 i686
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-31-generic root=UUID=bb279d14-0d2a-41ad-8cb2-7471e45c6ea0 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] Build Date: 04 August 2012  01:51:24AM
[16:46] <GridCube> no shpngld
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] xorg-server 2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.7 (For technical support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support)
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] Current version of pixman: 0.24.4
[16:46] <GridCube> use pastebin
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
[16:46] <shpngld> 	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[16:46] <GridCube> :/
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[16:46] <shpngld> 	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[16:46] <shpngld> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Sep 25 17:15:48 2012
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[16:46] <genii-around> !pastebin | shpngld
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[16:46] <GridCube> D:
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (==) ServerLayout "Layout0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
[16:46] <GridCube> he already pasted
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) |   |-->Device "Device0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) Option "Xinerama" "0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (==) Automatically adding devices
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/" does not exist.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/" does not exist.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi" does not exist.
[16:47] <bazhang> shpngld, dont paste here
[16:47] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com and give us the url
[16:47] <GridCube> as it was said. several times
[16:48] <bazhang> shpngld, please see PM
[16:49] <baizon> shpngld: use paste.ubuntu.com please
[16:52] <shpngld> i did some upgrades yesterday as reccomended ..may b this is the reason
[16:52] <shpngld> i dont know what to do..at least the pc is workin
[16:53] <bazhang> shpngld, in future, pastebin
[18:06] <msmith0957> i'm having an issue with my synaptics touchpad :/ it randomly stops working, and only a reboot fixes it. any clue? or can anyone direct me as to how to possibly reset the driver
[18:06] <Unit193> Have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad ?  And modprobe -l  should list the module.
[18:07] <msmith0957> i'll start there, thanks
[18:14] <msmith0957> Unit193: So, i read that page, but doesn't discuss trouble shooting intermittent trackpad issues
[18:17] <drc> msmith0957: Next time it stops try "synclient TouchPadOff=0" (0=on, 1=off).  Just a work around to keep you from having to reboot.
[18:17] <msmith0957> Ok, I'll give that a try. I tried a few other methods that I've read but none have worked yet
[18:18] <msmith0957> hasn't frozen yet this boot, but it shouldnt take very long
[18:18] <drc> I have that command set up for when I plug in a USB mouse...works consistently for me, ymmv
[18:18] <msmith0957> I feel like this is stemming from an issue i had with compiz on ubuntu. i removed and then reinstalled ubuntu-desktop, and then thats when i started having issues
[18:52] <agrestringere> Question about Xubuntu 12.04, do those new Ubuntu "Web Apps" integrate with XFCE? I really want to integrate things like Gmail and Google Calendar into them without using an annoying email client...
[18:54] <pleia2> no
[18:54] <baizon> agrestringere: web apps are with ubuntu 12.10
[18:54] <baizon> and no there are no web apps features for xubuntu / xfce
[18:55] <agrestringere> Is there a good alternative?  I want to have my Google Calendar, events, tasks, etc?
[18:55] <baizon> agrestringere: use a indicator app
[18:55] <baizon> i have one too
[18:56] <recon_lap> xubuntu is where the Luddite trolls gather under the bridge :)
[18:56] <baizon> agrestringere: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/calendar-indicator-google-calendar-ubuntus-tray-linux/
[18:56] <agrestringere> which indicator app does it best for GCal?
[18:57] <agrestringere> does it do tasks?
[18:58] <baizon> agrestringere: https://launchpad.net/~atareao/+archive/atareao
[18:58] <baizon> check out this guys ppa
[18:58] <baizon> he got an indicator for gcalc and gtasks
[18:59] <baizon> and many more :)
[19:00] <agrestringere> Is his code published can I trust the safety of my password?
[19:00] <baizon> you can check his code by your own :)
[19:01] <baizon> i cant guarantee its "safe"
[19:01] <agrestringere> I'm paranoid after using Windows for years I don't trust anything anymore...
[19:01] <baizon> hehe
[19:01] <baizon> well its open source :) so you have access to the source cod
[19:01] <baizon> code
[19:02] <agrestringere> Once my gmail got hacked into because I used a Windows app that synced with Gmail and it wasn't fun...
[19:03] <recon_lap> free app?
[19:03] <baizon> well you have 2way verification
[19:03] <drc> tanstaaffl
[19:07] <agrestringere> should have used it then...
[19:09] <agrestringere> I'll look into this and check their code out and see if it's ok...thanks for the help
[19:11] <Os_Maleus> hi everybody!
[19:11] <Os_Maleus> does one of You guys know, where Opera is saving the history and the cookies? is it possible to erase/delete that over the terminal?
[19:13] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus: dont know, but would guess in ~/.opera
[19:21] <Os_Maleus> in .opera/cookies4.dat? ... deleting it, doesn't change the anything regarding the cookies. they are remaining.
[19:22] <Os_Maleus> I would like to delete the history and the cookies from Opera in the way that I don't have to click around with the mouse nor being forced to close the browser.
[19:23] <genii-around> Os_Maleus: If you have the browser open, the cookies will still be cached in ram whether you delete the cookie file or not
[19:23] <Os_Maleus> is there a possibility to drop them out from there?
[19:24] <Os_Maleus> :-)
[19:24] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus: well I use better privacy in firefox
[19:25] <recon_lap> "betterprivacy" tmi mean :)
[19:26] <Sysi> I have different browser for facebook, and there's incognito in firefox and chromium
[19:28] <recon_lap> keep meaning to add that mac address randomizer to my startup script, but I have not finished my tinfoil hat yet !!
[19:43] <agrestringere> have a good night...
[20:01] <Liam> Greetings lads and lillies.
[20:02] <Liam> I had a problem installing Mint 13, it froze on install, so I tried Xubuntu 12.04 instead. It froze on the exact same spot, and I read somewhere that installing an older version would work just fine, so I tried it. It worked! I now have Xubuntu 10.10 installed and running.
[20:02] <Liam> And now to the problem. I restarted it, without doing any changes, and now I boot up to a complete blackscreen.
[20:02] <Liam> No sound, no text, no nothing. Not even a cursor. Anyone can help me?
[20:03] <recon_lap> Liam, what did you install from? and did that boot to alive desktop ok?
[20:03] <recon_lap> a live*
[20:03] <Liam> USB stick. Yes it did. Installation went fine too.
[20:04] <v1adimir> heh :\
[20:04] <recon_lap> Liam, did you make any changes before you last reboot, have you tried booting to terminal ?
[20:05] <Liam> No changes at all. Just looked around in the desktop environment (checking programs) and the restarted = blackscreen on startup.
[20:05] <Liam> Booting to terminal? Do you mean from GRUB?
[20:06] <recon_lap> yes, if you can get to terminal , then you can try start desktop and see error messages, also rules out dodgy boot setup
[20:08] <Liam> Okay lads, here's how it went. I tried booting with "nomodeset" instead of "quick splash". It worked.
[20:08] <Liam> I am now up and running.
[20:08] <recon_lap> think we had a guy who installed ubuntu onto his pen drive yesterday :)
[20:10] <Liam> Do I have to change this line everytime I start xubuntu?
[20:10] <Liam> Or can I somehow edit "nomodeset" in to the boot settings?
[20:15] <recon_lap> /boot/grub/grub.cfg  perhaps?
[20:16] <Liam> New problem lads and lillies!
[20:17] <Liam> It won't connect to my internet with wire. I plug it in (its raw fiber from the wall as I use in my main PC) and it just keeps connecting.
[20:17] <Liam> Clue, anyone?
[20:17] <designbybeck> keeps connecting?
[20:17] <designbybeck> isn't that a good thing
[20:17] <Liam> Tries* to connect.
[20:17] <designbybeck> ah
[20:17] <Liam> The little icon just spins.
[20:18] <Liam> Hehe, it would be a lovely thing.
[20:18] <recon_lap> Liam:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/128128/how-to-boot-without-nomodeset
[20:18] <designbybeck> no other settings were changed?
[20:18] <designbybeck> DHCP set?
[20:18] <recon_lap> Liam, did you enter you password and pick the correct network?
[20:18] <Liam> No settings changed. It's a fresh install.
[20:19] <designbybeck> recon_lap:  he said it was plugged in
[20:19] <Liam> Yes I did, and that I do not know, if I picked the correct.
[20:19] <designbybeck> so it wouldn't need a password for the wifi
[20:19] <Liam> Or what do you mean?
[20:19] <designbybeck> is that correct
[20:19] <Liam> That is correct.
[20:19] <Liam> No password needed for wire.
[20:19] <Liam> And thank you for the link by the way, will look into that.
[20:21] <Liam> Google is my friend. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1535912
[20:23] <designbybeck> cable?
[20:23] <designbybeck> or WICD
[20:23] <Liam> I use cable.
[20:23] <designbybeck> i'm saying was your cable bad
[20:23] <designbybeck> the physical line
[20:23] <designbybeck> that was a question on that link you sent
[20:24] <Liam> Oh, no. There was another link in there that worked.
[20:24] <Liam> I forgot that I hard rebooted when I got the blackscreen ealier.
[20:24] <designbybeck> cool
[20:25] <Liam> Thank you for your help. Believe me, if I keep having problems I will chillout here, alot.
[20:25] <Liam> Bare with me designbybeck ;)
[20:26] <recon_lap> it helps you are not afraid of typing and have a brain :)
[20:27] <Liam> Lovely. *bows*
[20:28] <designbybeck> ;)
[20:32] <recon_lap> is still confused as to if it's a wired or wireless connection
[20:38] <Liam> Wired.
[20:38] <Liam> Of cource the wireless doesn't work now, since I have no drivers.
[20:38] <Liam> Thus, I thought I could use the WIRED connection to install drivers.
[20:38] <Liam> But it doesn't work. Doesn't connect to internet. But I have a possible solution.
[20:39] <recon_lap> Liam, you using a router or a modem?
[20:39] <Liam> No router nor modem. It's broadband/fibre so it's directly from the wall.
[20:40] <Liam> Pure straight internet line from my ISP.
[20:40] <Liam> 100/100
[20:40] <designbybeck> hmmm
[20:40] <designbybeck> so it is a fiber card in your computer?
[20:40] <designbybeck> where are you from Liam!?
[20:40] <Liam> But I believe in this solution here, since I did hard reboot. (holding the on/off button) when I countered the blackscreen problem.
[20:40] <recon_lap> Liam, must plug into something ?
[20:41] <Liam> I'm from UK, but live in Sweden.
[20:41] <recon_lap> how come i new you where in Sweden :)
[20:41] <designbybeck> ah, and a fiber card instead of a RJ45 plug?
[20:41] <recon_lap> knew*
[20:41] <Liam> Well, it's from the wall! It's like a terminal with 10 ports.
[20:41] <Liam> What's a RJ45 plug?
[20:42] <designbybeck> hmm.. CAT5?
[20:42] <Liam> You did, recon_lap? How come?
[20:42] <recon_lap> cause where else has direct 100/100 lines to isp's
[20:43] <Liam> Yeah, cat5.
[20:44] <designbybeck> yeah CAT5 connection type is RJ45
[20:44] <designbybeck> vs a RJ11 which is for phone lines
[20:44] <designbybeck> in US at least
[20:45] <Liam> Oh. Yeah, the RJ11 is the smaller one, right?
[20:46] <recon_lap> Liam, pastebin the results of "lspci" and "ipconfig"
[20:46] <designbybeck> correct
[20:46] <designbybeck> 4wire vs 8wire
[20:46] <recon_lap> sry, that "ifconfig"
[20:47] <Liam> Give me a minute. Just started ranked 5v5 League of Legends, 2000 elo.
[20:47] <Liam> *chuckles*
[20:54] <designbybeck> 10 USB drives I get to start burning Xbuntu on!
[21:08] <designbybeck> any of you use Xubuntu 64bit doing heavy stuff like graphic design/video /3D ?
[21:21] <recon_lap> designbybeck: don't think you got any here, but I would think that the better the hardware the better it works
[21:22] <designbybeck> good point
[21:22] <designbybeck> Hopefully in the next few weeks I'll have my new office computer
[21:22] <designbybeck> its pretty beefy!
[21:24] <recon_lap> lots of ram, kick ass video card, big processor and fast hard-drives :)
[21:24] <designbybeck> specs: http://www.pasteall.org/35544
[21:24] <designbybeck> i had to cut a few features out
[21:25] <designbybeck> but i think it is pretty good overall
[21:27] <recon_lap> looks like a nice rig all right, so what you planning, editing home videos ;)
[21:29] <designbybeck> no...every other kinda movie though!
[21:29] <designbybeck> and Blender 3D
[21:29] <designbybeck> i'll be very excited to see how it handles that!
[21:31] <recon_lap> used blender a bit myself, depending on what you get into animation/ 3d rendering / ray-tracing can sink nearly any hardware. but we should really take this to offtopic
[21:32] <Liam> And I'm back.
[21:33] <designbybeck> very true recon_lap
[21:35] <scheuri> hi everyone
[21:35] <designbybeck> greetings scheuri
[21:36] <scheuri> I just installed xubuntu and I have an odd issue with booting: if I power on my pc it wont boo, however, if I let the BIOS give me the choices of boot medias and I choose the SSD I installed xubuntu on, it works...so I guess I have to reinstall grub on /dev/sda...anyone an idea where to start looking for a solution?
[21:36] <scheuri> (so I am on xubuntu 12.04.1 I freshly installed)
[21:38] <designbybeck> interesting, I'm not the person to talk to about this!
[21:38] <designbybeck> sorry
[21:39] <Liam> recon_lap knows such things, scheuri.
[21:39] <scheuri> designbybeck, thanks for responding anyway....I guess I just need to "reinstall" it on /dev/sda...but I just want to double check with someone :)
[21:39] <recon_lap> scheuri:  have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:39] <scheuri> recon_lap, thanks...I will
[21:40] <recon_lap> scheuri: also , are you familular with your BIOS and setting the boot device ?
[21:40] <designbybeck> ah, nice link recon_lap
[21:40] <scheuri> recon_lap, I came across this tool....and I wondered if that is not a little overkill for me (I can after all boot into my installation, I just have to press F8 at BIOS to get the choice of the device
[21:41] <designbybeck> if it is a new install and you can quickly do it, then maybe a new install would be best
[21:41] <scheuri> recon_lap, yes, I am....I had xubuntu 11.10 installed and now reinstalled with 12.04.1...no change in BIOS or boot device order
[21:41] <recon_lap> scheuri: you might have left a CD or Flash drive in
[21:41] <scheuri> recon_lap, thought about that, but no...I am afraid all my devices are unhooked
[21:42] <scheuri> I am just wondering if a "grup-install /dev/sda" (and I am positiv it is /dev/sda is correct) might do what I am thinking it does...installing grub in the MBR of that device
[21:42] <recon_lap> scheuri: so what is your boot order?
[21:43] <scheuri> recon_lap, its a) SSD (which it is supposed to be), b) another HD, c) another HD, d) CD-ROM
[21:45] <recon_lap> scheuri: ok, seems you have the basics, not much of an expert with install problems, all my installs have gone well for years :)
[21:45] <scheuri> recon_lap, :)...well, I guess I must have missed a tiny little thing at the end of the installation as I have not changed anything in the BIOS or the boot order...
[21:45] <recon_lap> scheuri: I would think that doing what you did before will likely end in the same result
[21:46] <scheuri> I guess I will update grub and then install it on /dev/sda and try again :)
[21:46] <scheuri> well, I will reboot...I will report back :)
[22:49] <Liam> Whats up.
[22:49] <Liam> recon_lap whatcha doin'.
[22:50] <recon_lap> trying to work out a php mail script
[22:50] <Liam> Sounds hightech.
[22:51] <recon_lap> lol, simple stuff. bit short of info and recent exp though
[22:52] <Liam> Quick question. To get into Terminal from Grub, do I choose Ubuntu (recovery mode) or do I press C?
[22:52] <Liam> It says "c" for a command-line. That must be it?
[22:53] <Liam> recon_lap: Sorry to interfere.
[22:54] <recon_lap> hold down the shift key while booting
[22:54] <Liam> So, choosing the regular boot and then hold shift?
[22:54] <recon_lap> then choose recovery mode , they keep chaning it so hard to keep up
[22:55] <Liam> Allright. Thanks.
[22:57] <recon_lap> but what problem are you trying to fix?
[22:57] <Liam> Network problem at the moment.
[22:57] <Liam> WTH, I just booted WITHOUT "nomodeset" and no blackscreen?! It worked fine?!
[23:00] <recon_lap> guess that chicken i sacrificed earlier worked :)
[23:00] <recon_lap> Liam: was it a clean boot or where you pressing keys
[23:01] <Liam> +1
[23:01] <Liam> Clean boot.
[23:02] <Liam> I started terminal from the desktop. I type sudo "and the command" and it asks for my passwor.d
[23:03] <Liam> I can't write my password. Nothing happens when I press keys.
[23:03] <Liam> I can press ENTER but then it says "Sorry try again".
[23:03] <Liam> recon_lap
[23:05] <recon_lap> Liam: you typing, it just does not show, it's a password
[23:05] <Liam> Oh...
[23:05] <Liam> Now it worked. Thank you. (wrote the wrong password at first too)
[23:15] <Micr0n> Hello
[23:15] <martinphone> is it common to find broken avi indexes and how hard it is to fix em?
[23:16] <recon_lap> !hi | Micr0n
[23:17] <Micr0n> I've encountered a broken avi index before I think VLC media player fixed it for me automagically
[23:17] <recon_lap> martinphone: there are so many avi encoders that error are common , different program and different codex can help, dont know about fixing them though
[23:19] <Micr0n> I've been having an issue with streaming video / music stuttering when using google reader or google docs.  Anyone else heard of this?
[23:20] <ochosi> probably gdocs or greader eat up your cpu/ram?
[23:21] <Micr0n> I hope not... spent too much on this machine for that :)
[23:21] <Unit193> I'd generally like to blame flash for that.
[23:22] <Unit193> And yep, VLC asks if you want to fix indexes.
[23:22] <Micr0n> I thought I remembered it doing that for me at some point.  Good ol' VLC


[13:50] <highvoltage> wow I forgot just how slow optical media is
[13:53] <highvoltage> and there crashes ubiquity :/
[14:12] <stgraber> highvoltage: how did it crash?
[14:27] <highvoltage> it just closed after the wifi step, I'm going to run that again and see if I can get some debugging information to include in a bug report. it worked when I ran ubiquity again immediately after.
[14:29] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah, it seems like mgariepy gave me a dodgy DVD, it crashed while copying files too saying it had trouble reading the disc :)
[14:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: you really shouldn't trust mgariepy with iso images ;) his image was already corrupted on Friday...
[14:32] <highvoltage> stgraber: yes! That's why I thought he'd learn his lesson!
[14:32] <highvoltage> learned. whatever :)
[14:35] <stgraber> highvoltage: learnt? :)
[14:38] <mgariepy> hehe
[14:38] <mgariepy> it was installing fine from a usb disk yesterday,
[14:38] <mgariepy> not my fault if the blank dvd highvoltage gave me was a crappy one.
[14:39] <highvoltage> hehe
[14:39] <mgariepy> and if highvoltage had a real laptop (with a dvd-writer) he could have done it himself :P
[14:39] <mgariepy> haha
[14:39] <highvoltage> stgraber: not my fault if quebec is breaking my engrish!
[14:39] <highvoltage> dvd's are so last decade.
[14:39] <stgraber> heh ;)
[17:48] <Braj> hi
[17:49] <Braj> any 1 is there...
[18:01] <jbicha> hmm, using the desktop image as starter, I got a 21% headstart on zsyncing Edubuntu
[19:11] <highvoltage> brunolambert: hi
[19:11] <highvoltage> oops, actually meant "Braj". but good to see you here too brunolambert :)
[19:11] <brunolambert> highvoltage: hi
[19:11] <highvoltage> jbicha: nice
[19:12] <brunolambert> highvoltage: you "tab" didn't get Braj, as Braj is not here anymore
[19:12] <highvoltage> yup
[19:12] <brunolambert> stayed for a good 2 minutes.
[19:12] <highvoltage> people are too impatient.
[20:34] <nubae> greets LaserJock its been a long long time
[20:34] <nubae> how are things going for you
[20:34] <nubae> u know work and all that
[20:34] <LaserJock> hi nubae
[20:34] <LaserJock> not bad
[20:34] <LaserJock> got a real job :-)
[20:35] <nubae> yeah so late nights
[20:35] <LaserJock> quite a few yes
[20:35] <nubae> litle pay
[20:35] <nubae> bad food
[20:35] <LaserJock> but I'm actually using moodle on a daily basis now :-)
[20:35] <nubae> well u should probably get pretty good pay
[20:35] <LaserJock> so I guess I got to actually use something I shipped
[20:35] <LaserJock> well, so-so pay anyway
[20:35] <nubae> haha!
[20:36] <LaserJock> nubae: how are you?
[20:36] <nubae> u see its a good product?
[20:36] <LaserJock> it's been pretty helpful
[20:36] <nubae> worthy of being a teachers primary tool
[20:36] <LaserJock> I don't use it for everything, but the grading and organization has been helpful
[20:36] <nubae> ]yeah problem is one needs time to learn how to use it
[20:37] <nubae> like all these things
[20:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[20:37] <nubae> well, strangely enough, I just happen to be setting up an Ubuntu LTSP system for a school down here
[20:38] <nubae> fighting the windozen idiots
[20:38] <LaserJock> unfortunately most of my time is now spent on Windows
[20:38] <LaserJock> I'm hoping to set up a small research lab though, and will use Linux for that
[20:39] <nubae> I walked into the place and they had some systems running ubuntu (off old ltsp), windows machines (win 7) running on 512mb ram and celeron processors
[20:39] <LaserJock> yikes
[20:39] <nubae> couple folks had macs
[20:40] <LaserJock> I'm sorta tied to MS Office unfortunately
[20:40] <nubae> and they managed to really fuck the network by putting wireless routers all over the school with their own dhcp servers
[20:40] <LaserJock> hmm, that doesn't sound good
[20:40] <nubae> u can imagine the mess
[20:41] <nubae> yeah the first question was, why doesnt the internet or printers work (windows users, who had been dissing and blaming the ubuntu system from the start)
[20:42] <LaserJock> hah
[20:43] <nubae> So, not being able to holdback, I explained that perhaps a quick basic lesson in IT would benefit everyone, the IT teacher included
[20:43] <nubae> actually, I sat him at the front
[20:43] <LaserJock> yeah?
[20:43] <nubae> Sooooo.... first, I explained the concept of thin terminals.....
[20:45] <nubae> ie.... u spend money only on the server, and it, magial that it is, fixes alll computer problems, as long as certain rules are applied
[20:47] <nubae> I wrote a list of things I knew they'd been doing: ripping out cables, plugging in dhcp routers randomley around the school, trying to install win7 or vista on systems not far off from 486s.... they blamed ubuntu for that one too
[20:47] <nubae> anwyay long story short
[20:47] <nubae> because this is surely boring u now
[20:48] <LaserJock> don't worry about me, I'm just grading
[20:48] <LaserJock> so I'm just bouncing back and forth
[20:48] <LaserJock> :-)
[20:48] <nubae> we started slow, recabling/grimping, got upgradeed LTS ltsp server feeding most terminals other  than die hard macos and win 7 ysers
[20:51] <nubae> installed a much improved vmware 8 (very good product indeed) within a fat partition on server so kids could use office if they really needed too ( The IT teacher, who is actually a science teacher and never taught IT 'likes' it more... so I delicately came to a cimpromise where he could teach them 50% vmware based office... curiousn to see how the fat clients hold up
[20:52] <nubae> next I want to show hiim moodle... but leaving that till last
[20:53] <nubae> any suggestions on where to start?
[20:55] <LaserJock> I'm not sure
[20:56] <LaserJock> I like using it for grading and for a place to dump videos/power point slides, etc.
[20:56] <LaserJock> I try not to over-use it
[20:56] <LaserJock> there are a lot of nice things like forums and such
[20:57] <LaserJock> but for now I'm keeping it simple with assignments, resources, and grades
[20:57] <nubae> well the dude is a bit of a powerpoit junky... that was his main qualm between presenter and it
[20:58] <nubae> so incorporating some powerpoint showing the power of moodle might be the ticket
[20:58] <LaserJock> I use powerpoint for one of my classes and just put up the slides after class
[20:58] <LaserJock> so students can access them anytime
[20:58] <nubae> and ill show him grading.... as all teachers need that
[20:59] <nubae> u mean acccess from outside the school?
[20:59] <LaserJock> yeah, grading can be a little complicated, but once you get it it's really nice
[20:59] <LaserJock> I suppose they could yeah
[21:00] <LaserJock> most students are on-campus so I'm not sure if it's just within the campus network or if they can access them outside
[21:00] <LaserJock> I think they can
[21:00] <nubae> ohnI know... i used moodle for almost too many things... u know... it was like an old school intranet giving pointers to absolutely eveyrhing
[21:00] <LaserJock> but in any case, they can get at them and download the .ppt
[21:00] <nubae> ]think i was the only one who read it
[21:01] <LaserJock> and then I link to useful Youtube videos, etc.
[21:02] <nubae> yep... unfortunately, got to get with twitter, identica, etc... oh... if u are in windows and need a fully featured comms agent check digsby
[21:02] <LaserJock> yeah? I've heard of it but haven't looked at it at all
[21:02] <nubae> it connect to basicaly all apis
[21:03] <nubae> its pretty neat
[21:03] <nubae> I've now stuck to using win 7 on the right. linux on the left in fullscreen vmware
[21:03] <nubae> works ok
[21:04] <nubae> best of both worlds.... jsut want some 24 inch monitos
[21:05] <LaserJock> right now I've got Win 7 on the left and Ubuntu 11.10 in virtualbox on the right  ;-)
[21:06] <nubae> worst problem is moving files from one system to the other which should NOT be an issue... but samba refuses to play nice
[21:06] <nubae> ah.. I've got pinguyOS
[21:06] <LaserJock> ah, I use dropbox for that kind of thing
[21:06] <nubae> check it out if u get a chance
[21:06] <nubae> its an awsome OS
[21:07] <LaserJock> yeah, what's it based on?
[21:07] <nubae> well, I'm using google tools for it
[21:07] <nubae> a variety, but mostly ubuntu
[21:08] <nubae> but its the original touches they gave it
[21:08] <nubae> self coded system monitor that really kicks ass
[21:08] <nubae> a properly working conky, on as many sides or top and bottom as u like
[21:09] <LaserJock> interesting
[21:09] <nubae> its really ahead of its time
[21:10] <nubae> ull see when u check it out... the channel is really friendly too and the guys are waty modest... some of them have been involved in major projects
[21:10] <nubae> waty = way
[21:11] <LaserJock> I've been looking at Linux Mint Debian Edition, I quite like it
[21:11] <nubae> ok... I get back to my server... have to install an online ubuntu upgrade from lucid to maverick
[21:11] <nubae> i can see it giving me probs alkready
[21:12] <nubae> yeah mint is really cool... but check pinguyos.... that on another level my friend
[21:12] <LaserJock> k
[21:34] <highvoltage> omg it's LaserJock
[21:34] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hi, how are you?
[21:41] <LaserJock> highvoltage: good, good
[21:41] <LaserJock> am finally a uni professor
[21:42] <LaserJock> which means I get to do what I set out to do, but also not a lot of times for fun things
[21:46] <jbicha> LaserJock: congratulations, that's good news!
[21:46] <LaserJock> I thought so ;-)
[21:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: congratulations! you deserve it.
[21:46] <LaserJock> well, it took 12 years
[21:47] <LaserJock> I'm just glad I actually made it
[21:49] <highvoltage> stgraber: fwiw I can't reproduce my problems from this morning on the current image \o/
[21:51] <LaserJock> how's the release coming together?
[21:52] <highvoltage> there were some last-minute problems (aren't there always?) but it's coming together really well.
[21:52] <highvoltage> stgraber did some good planning so by tomorrow everything will be ready and we can just flip some switches
[21:53] <LaserJock> awesome
[21:53] <LaserJock> are many Edubuntu people going to be able to go to UDS?
[21:53] <highvoltage> we had to drop pessulus, nanny and sabayon because they don't work with all the new gnome stuff anymore
[21:53] <highvoltage> but other than that this has been an ok release.
[21:54] <LaserJock> it's too bad, but it makes sense
[21:54] <LaserJock> it was kind of hard to keep up with sabayon just with normal GNOME 2 releases
[21:55] <highvoltage> yeah, it's a pity, because I felt with the last release that we got to the point where edubuntu's administration stuff was kind of getting somewhere and we could start focussing on some bigger stuff, like actually work on making edubuntu a great education delivery tool
[21:55] <highvoltage> but now we have to go back to the drawing board a bit with the admin stuff
[21:56] <LaserJock> that is really a hard part of open-source in general and 6-month release cycles specifically
[21:56] <highvoltage> yes, the 6 month release cycle doesn't work.
[21:56] <highvoltage> at all.
[21:56] <LaserJock> so much can change underneath you that you end up chasing your tail all the time
[21:58] <alkisg> "where edubuntu's administration stuff was kind of getting somewhere" ==> the new italc-like tool that also allows for applying settings is getting in a good shape, and it's much more easy to maintain with newer gnome releases or even different DEs
[21:58] <alkisg> I wonder if we could put it to edubuntu for 12.04
[21:58] <alkisg> It's i18n (currently english, italian, greek) and it works both with ltsp and non-ltsp installations
[21:59] <alkisg> We'll publish it in a ppa in a week or so, and it'll be rapidly developed more until april
[21:59] <nubae> y'all I need a kind of life or death decision to make
[22:00] <highvoltage> alkisg: we're likely to be ultra-conservative for 12.04, but I'm open to it
[22:00] <nubae> sorry to but in
[22:00] <alkisg> Well, people are reporting that italc is crashing at more than 50% of the labs now
[22:00] <alkisg> I haven't heard epoptes crash yet
[22:00] <alkisg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/changes
[22:00] <highvoltage> nubae: no problem, go ahead
[22:00] <nubae> do continue talking
[22:01] <alkisg> Epoptes is the i18n version of the older sch-scripts app
[22:01] <nubae> well... I neeed to select a web amanagement systemn (ie, cpanel, plesk, ispconfig,etc)
[22:01] <alkisg> highvoltage: how would we put it to universe? if a couple of devs here think it's worth it, that's all?
[22:01] <nubae> u know these?
[22:02] <highvoltage> alkisg: yep, as long as the licensing is sound, it can go in. I'd be happy to review it and sponsor it if you'd like
[22:02] <highvoltage> nubae: I'm someone familiar with them
[22:02] <highvoltage> nubae: I don't really like any of them much, but if I had to choose I'd go with cpanel
[22:02] <alkisg> highvoltage: I'd love to. I'll display a quick demo to all of you at the BTS if you want, and if you think it's worthy, you can sponsor it
[22:02] <alkisg> (gpl3)
[22:03] <highvoltage> alkisg: yes, that would be awesome
[22:03] <nubae> I really dont know which would bea  good selection.... its avirtual dedicated server]
[22:03] <highvoltage> alkisg: well, I think it's a good idea to at least get it into the archive for 12.04, once a few users are using it, it makes a bigger case for its default inclusion
[22:04] <alkisg> highvoltage: of course, I wouldn't ask for default inclusion, users won't know it so it won't even be translated yet to many languages
[22:04] <alkisg> (using launchpad for translations, but still...)
[22:04] <highvoltage> nubae: I have shared hosting that I sell, and I use cpanel, it's easy to learn and a lot of people are used to it already.
[22:04] <nubae> so hgave complete control, am currenty upgradig from lucid to maverick
[22:05] <nubae> ok... not tooo many people on this channel, I always used ispconfig for selling hosting and packages
[22:05] <nubae> ]but indeeed, from what ive read cpanel looks quite fine
[22:05] <LaserJock> I've only used cpanel
[22:05] <LaserJock> I liked it fine
[22:06] <highvoltage> it's horrible for a typical linux guy who just wants a shell
[22:06] <highvoltage> but for 'normal' users who just want to click around it does a good job.
[22:06] <LaserJock> for sure
[22:06] <highvoltage> and for the type of stuff you used shared hosting for usually you wouldn't need much command line anyway
[22:07] <nubae> just want to make it ckllear thtat its not a conglomorate...thus server,,,, its just me and various freiends, family members, their family mmbers]
[22:07] <nubae> cpanel will fit is#?>
[22:07] <highvoltage> nubae: ah, then cpanel might be overkill
[22:07] <highvoltage> I think cpanel is quite expensive too
[22:07] <nubae> that was my fear
[22:07] <highvoltage> nubae: why not use something like lxc or vz and give everyone their own container?
[22:07] <nubae> no no... no vz
[22:08] <highvoltage> heh, ok
[22:08] <mgariepy> nubae, why no vz ?
[22:08] <mgariepy> out of curiosity
[22:08] <nubae> u know people these days want to more or less touch what they paid for
[22:09] <nubae> in terms of cpanel.... can I grijfd down the opions
[22:09] <highvoltage> nubae: I'm having a hard time understanding you :)
[22:10] <nubae> ok.... back to point 1....
[22:11] <nubae> need a user friendly control panel for my clients (man of whom are family related) but not all.... in fact, I want to move away from that
[22:11] <nubae> man +many
[22:11] <nubae> man = many
[22:12] <nubae> uk keyboard and havent set it in win 7
[22:12] <highvoltage> nubae: why not get something like a hostgatore reseller account? they're cheap and you can make many individual accounts for your friends and family
[22:12] <highvoltage> *hostgator
[22:13] <nubae> hostgater would that be a monhtly fee?
[22:13] <highvoltage> nubae: personally I think you're setting yourself up for pain and suffering if you're going to do something completely custom for family members and friends who are probably not paying you
[22:13] <highvoltage> nubae: sure, but it's something like $25 a month
[22:13] <nubae> no wait....
[22:15] <nubae> I wont do anything custom for family... they understand that these things arent cheap and just want to have a system they can use that wont break  on them
[22:15] <nubae> from my site, if i can teach it, im happy]
[22:16] <nubae> an if they can more oir less get their email, perhaps an ocassional user list, u k know
[22:17] <nubae> that would be success
[22:21] <alkisg> highvoltage: a packaging/policy question, if you will... epoptes uses reverse connections, i.e. the clients connect to the server and offer it a remote shell so that the server can execute commands on the clients.
[22:21] <alkisg> The server will publish itself with avahi, and non-ltsp clients will autodetect it during postinst and ask the user if he wants to trust the server permanately.
[22:21] <alkisg> The client will store the server public key, and on boot, it will ask the server to sign something to verify it's the same server that was selected during the installation.
[22:21] <alkisg> So, my question is, where do we store the server dns name (or ip) and its public key? In /var or in /etc?
[22:23] <highvoltage> alkisg: well, things that a user/administrator will want to set should be in /etc. stored data should go under /var
[22:23] <alkisg> So we'll just generate a non-conffile in /etc/epoptes/config, right?
[22:24] <highvoltage> alkisg: but I'm not sure where the public key should be stored, personally I've stored it under /var before, might be best to confirm with -motu before I give you some bad advice :)
[22:24] <alkisg> Will do, thanks :)
[22:29] <alkisg> Ah, and a last question, so if epoptes manages to get into universe, when will the last import be? At the same time as debianimportfreeze?
[22:31] <alkisg>  15     February 11th          LTSDebianImportFreeze  - that would give us time to get many (well tested) features in
[22:34] <LaserJock> alkisg: if it's not coming through Debian I think you would have more time
[22:34] <alkisg> Very nice, so we'll be able to put a lot of features there... http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/epoptes
[22:41] <jbicha> if you want epoptes on the DVD, then you'll need to be stabilizing by Feature Freeze
[22:42] <stgraber> alkisg: FeatureFreeze is the deadline
[22:42] <stgraber> alkisg: after that you need to have a bug report approved by the release team
[22:43] <alkisg> Thanks guys, featurefreeze does give us enough time to have plenty of stable features in
[22:43] <alkisg> We've already been using it for more than a year in 250 schools so stability is no concern
[23:00] <alkisg> Goodnight all
[23:57] <highvoltage> 'night al


[00:29] <Sarvatt> ricotz: hopefully wayland should be working by the morning, just uploaded mesa to build against that new wayland checkout
[00:29] <Sarvatt> fighting 8 hour build queues
[00:30] <Sarvatt> bryceh: ok to mark wayland in edgers work item done now if you know where it is, i think it was assigned to someone else because i'm not seeing it
[00:34] <Sarvatt> got a wayland-demos ready to upload but it needs new mesa built first
[00:34] <ricotz> Sarvatt, nice
[00:34] <Sarvatt> added it to my daily update script too
[00:35] <Sarvatt> but cant really run it out of there since it has to build before mesa..
[00:35] <ricotz> perhaps you can ping a friendly archive-admin to bump the priority
[00:36] <ricotz> if mesa isnt using new api bit right away it should work
[00:42] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ok will do
[02:33] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Does bug 839808 (on Natty) look like anything you've seen before?
[03:23] <bjsnider> i can never seem to understand what these mesa build failure logs mean. i can usually understand other build failures but not the mesa ones
[07:04] <tjaalton> bryceh: hey, do you know if the apport hooks in natty had bugs, like running apport-collect xxxx for a bug against -evdev only collects Dependencies.txt and nothing else?
[09:59] <bryceh> tjaalton, nope
[10:00] <bryceh> tjaalton, ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-evdev seems to work (just re-confirmed it), so theoretically the hook should work for apport-collect as well
[10:00] <bryceh> there are a couple apport bugs I'm aware of that could result in that behavior
[10:01] <bryceh> for instance, if a bug report was filed against multiple packages, and -evdev wasn't the original thing it was filed against, apport-collect will try to use the hook from whatever the first target was.  (Or something like that...)
[10:01] <bryceh> so, the Dependencies.txt is because apport is using an apport hook for some other package (which evidently doesn't have a hook defined)
[10:02] <bryceh> the other bug is that if a package has differing binary and source package names, apport only works if you give it a binary name (so no ubuntu-bug xorg-server)
[10:02] <bryceh> but that second bug it'll error out before even filing the bug
[10:07] <tjaalton> yeah this one was against unity originally
[10:08] <tjaalton> but has only -evdev as the package
[10:15] <bryceh> yeah, I'd guess apport-collect is trying to use unity's package hook
[10:16] <bryceh> *yawn* night
[10:33] <tjaalton> heh, night
[16:42] <cnd> bryceh, fyi, Carlos Garnacho sent me three patches for fixing some touch grab issues
[16:42] <cnd> I'm testing them out now, but I hope to push them to the packaging repo soon
[17:44] <cnd> bryceh, the patches look good, I've pushed them to the ubuntu branch
[17:44] <cnd> do you know when the next release will be uploaded?
[17:49] <bryceh> cnd, of xserver?  no I don't; assuming raof and tjaalton have some plans
[17:51] <cnd> ok
[17:51] <tjaalton> if we can just upload without an ffe, then I can test it locally tomorrow and upload if no issues pop up?
[17:51] <bryceh> tjaalton, sounds good
[17:51] <cnd> tjaalton, that was something I was wondering about
[17:52] <cnd> since there's an upstream micro version bump
[17:52] <tjaalton> yeah it's a stable update, so shouldn't need any paperwork
[17:52] <cnd> cool
[20:20] <bjsnider> that's a build failure i understand
[20:37] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: welcome to my world of fun, by the time i get one part of the build system fixed another change is introduced upstream making it fail again :P
[20:38] <Sarvatt> fixed one uploaded and i test built it locally to be sure
[20:40] <bjsnider> fixing a problem like the one i just saw is easy enough, but what about the log from last night?
[20:40] <bjsnider> that was a completely meaningless failure message
[20:41] <Sarvatt> i filed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40668 about that
[20:41] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 40668 in Other "Mesa compilation failure with wayland master" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]
[20:41] <Sarvatt> it wasn't compiling with wayland master or the wayland checkout we had in oneiric


[12:31] -queuebot:#edubuntu- Unapproved: accepted edubuntu-menu [source] (lunar-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]


[07:55] <darkxst> this seems really odd? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.8.6-0ubuntu1
[07:55] <darkxst> why would there be a dep-wait on an existing package?
[08:04] <Laney> darkxst: either versioned or main/universe
[08:05] <darkxst> Laney,oooh
[08:05] <darkxst> can you (or someone) just demote gnome-control-center to universe?
[08:05] <Laney> not really, unless the schemas are split out
[08:06] <darkxst> Laney, the schemas are in g-s-d aren;t they?
[08:06] <Laney> I mean -shared-data
[08:06] <seb128> we use the shared-data binary
[08:07] <seb128> the -dev is also a build-depends of stuff in main that build panels for u-c-c and g-c-c
[08:07] <seb128> like deja-dup for example
[08:07] <Laney> isn't colord in main already anyway?
[08:07] <seb128> it has an approved Mir
[08:07] <Laney> it might just be this binary package
[08:07] <seb128> MIR
[08:07] <seb128> but we didn't promote it because nothing uses it
[08:07] <darkxst> Laney, colord-gtk?
[08:07] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colord-gtk/+bug/1282372
[08:08] <Laney> yeah
[08:08] <didrocks> once again, a reminder I should really get out of the MIR team :)
[08:08] <seb128> we demoted it back because nothing was keeping it in main
[08:08] <Laney> so you can add it if you need to
[08:08] <Laney> s/add/promote/
[08:08] <seb128> why is that conversation happening on -release?
[08:08] <seb128> (I though we were on -devel)
[08:09] <darkxst> seb128, you missed the start, being why is g-c-c in dep-wait
[08:09] <seb128> that's not really a release issue either ;-)
[08:14] <darkxst> seb128, oh sorry!
[08:14] <seb128> no problem, it's not like there were lot of release discussions happening atm here ;-)
[08:16] <darkxst> didrocks, speaking of MIR's did you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1313996
[08:16] <Laney> we can definitely move to -desktop now :P
[08:16] <didrocks> darkxst: on my list of MIRs to look at
[08:17] <darkxst> didrocks, thanks, Laney ok!
[10:03] <bzoltan1> hello gents, my UITK landing is blocked here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[10:04] <bzoltan1> the problem is that Ricardo has created the -gles  packages out of my landing request and now it is blocking me ...
[10:32] <cjwatson> rsalveti: I think you need to redo qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles - doesn't it need to build qml-module-qtmultimedia-gles and Conflicts: qml-module-qtmultimedia nowadays?  Conflicting with a transitional package (qtdeclarative5-qtmultimedia-plugin) doesn't seem very useful
[10:44] <ogra_> cjwatson, hmm, not sure, but i thought that module should be gone with the landing of the new media-hub (but i'll leave that to rsalveti)
[10:55] <cjwatson> xnox: hinted gnutls26 and gnutls28
[11:00] <xnox> cjwatson: ta.
[12:18] <cjwatson> xnox: as well as reuploading that to utopic, please remember to build with -vWHATEVER to get intermediate changelog entries into .changes
[12:19] <xnox> cjwatson: yes.
[12:19] <xnox> from bash_history: dch --release '' --distribution trusty
[12:20]  * xnox is not sure what i was thinking
[12:23] <knome> xnox, nothing it seems
[13:54] <xnox> Can sysvinit be allowed to go in? ADT failures: startpar -> uninstallable, blocked on further changes; neutron -> strange logs with dpkg-reconfigure failing, never passed on utopic infra;  linux -> fail, yet to pass on utopic, being worked on; mysql-5.6 -> no idea.
[13:55] <xnox> none of the failures are caused by sysvinit change.... of cpufreq governor...
[13:55] <xnox> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/174253222/sysvinit_2.88dsf-41ubuntu6_2.88dsf-41ubuntu7.diff.gz
[14:17] <rsalveti> cjwatson: yeah, the main src got updated while this got approved, but it's not a problem atm as the seeds is still depending on the transitional package, but will get this updated
[14:18] <rsalveti> ogra_: only the -touch version was dropped
[14:18] <rsalveti> qtmultimedia itself is still needed as we're still using its api
[14:18] <cjwatson> <cjwatson@amber ~/src/ubuntu/cdimage/cdimage>$ bzr ci -m 'When building with --live, only build images whose livefs builds succeed, to avoid producing confusingly half-updated images.'
[14:18] <ogra_> ah, k
[14:18] <cjwatson> psivaa: ^- hopefully that will help with a long-standing category of problem
[14:19] <rsalveti> cjwatson: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glmark2/2014.03-0ubuntu1 updated this package yesterday, and as it's now build-depending on mir, it can't build on powerpc and ppc64el anymore
[14:19] <rsalveti> guess this will be a problem when migrating the package to release
[14:19] <cjwatson> rsalveti: Well, it is a problem because an attempt to install the -gles variant on top of the main one would only uninstall the transitional package and would then fail
[14:20] <rsalveti> cjwatson: sure, that's why I need to updated it, just saying that when creating the emulator image it's still not an issue as the seeds wasn't updated to reflect the new name
[14:20] <rsalveti> but will get this updated later today
[14:20] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[14:20] <cjwatson> rsalveti: glmark2 has no rdeps, so should be easy for an archive admin to remove the no-longer-built binaries
[14:20] <rsalveti> cjwatson: great, thanks
[14:20] <cjwatson> rsalveti: (though I don't have time for the binary NEW review just now, I'm afraid)
[14:20] <rsalveti> no worries, not critical
[15:02] <bdmurray> Is there an archive admin who could fully phase nautilus in trusty for me?
[15:05] <ogra_> can someone let the nuntium binaries out of NEW ?
[20:23] <bdmurray> slangasek: could you fully phase nautilus for trusty-updates?
[20:48] <slangasek> bdmurray: didn't I do that already?
[20:48] <slangasek> I thought this is what you asked me for yesterday
[20:48]  * slangasek finds in his command history: change-override -z 100 -s trusty-updates nautilus
[20:49] <slangasek> perhaps I forgot to confirm it though and it timed out without me noticing, so... trying again now
[20:50] <slangasek> 6 publications remained the same.
[20:50] <slangasek> bdmurray: ^^ fwiw
[20:50] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay, I didn't see that you had said anything about it yesterday
[20:51] <slangasek> bdmurray: ah, k - there was a rather long gap between request and response :)


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[09:19] <cjwatson> mark: that's not especially helpful; that's simply the debconf shell around the entire postinst script
[09:20] <cjwatson> mark: an 'strace -f' (ideally started on some appropriate parent process *before* man-db is configured) would be more helpful really
[09:20] <cjwatson> mark: can you find out if there are any child processes of /usr/share/debconf/frontend running?
[09:33] <mark> ok
[09:34] <mark> I can't access it myself during the install, but I will ask next time it happens
[09:34] <mark> the on site guy can log in and look...
[09:34] <cjwatson> if it doesn't happen every time, it's awkward ...
[09:34] <cjwatson> my only guess is that some file descriptors are racily not being closed
[09:36] <mark> it happens, on some servers, about half the time
[09:36] <mark> the servers in our korean servers suffer from it, and also the upload squid cluster in florida
[09:36] <mark> no others so far ;)
[09:41] <mark> once or twice, when I had the on site guy kill the perl process he thought was hanging, I then got the "suid bit" question


[00:24] <Snuku> Hi everyone
[06:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:33] <flo_> hello to everyone . i'm triyng to disable a xinput device with this command: xinput set-prop 4 "Device Enabled" 0 but i get the following error: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied). can someone help me to disable that xinput device?
[10:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:22] <jubo2> Salut BluesKaj
[10:23] <BluesKaj> hey jubo2
[10:25] <jubo2> /howis BluesKaj
[10:26] <BluesKaj> ok,  you?
[11:41] <amichair> when/how does a 16.10 system get notified about the 17.04 upgrade?
[11:42] <hateball> you should have been already
[11:42] <hateball> assuming you havent hidden the muon updater plasmoid
[11:43] <amichair> hateball: where does the notification show up nowadays?
[11:43] <amichair> hateball: under 'Updates' in the system tray?
[11:43] <hateball> amichair: iirc yes (I dont use gui updater since long ago)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> usually in the system tray if you have the notifier turned on
[11:44] <hateball> otherwise just open konsole and run: sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:44] <amichair> hateball: it says the system is up to date. I also usually just use apt, but that would trigger a notification as well in previous releases
[11:45] <BluesKaj>  nope do sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade first then release
[11:45] <amichair> hateball: is there a known bug? anything I should try or look at regarding notification before manually upgrading?
[11:45] <hateball> amichair: well have a look in the apt config you arent looking for LTS releases only
[11:45] <hateball> not that you should, being on 16.10 and all
[11:45] <amichair> hateball: I'm all updated and full-upgraded and restarted, but still no notification at any point
[11:45] <BluesKaj> yeah, doudt that option is enabled
[11:46] <amichair> hateball: I looked in software-properties-kde, it says notifications for Normal releases not LTS. How do I check it via api config directly?
[11:46] <amichair> s/api/apt/
[11:46] <hateball> amichair: well that should read from the proper config
[11:47] <amichair> hateball: do you know where the config is?
[11:47] <hateball> in /etc/apt/something, lemme see
[11:48] <hateball> ah I was wrong
[11:48] <hateball> amichair: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upgrades#Upgrade_policy
[11:49] <acheronUK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZestyUpgrades/Kubuntu#Upgrade
[11:49] <amichair> Prompt=normal
[11:51] <acheronUK> Run the command there to upgrade
[11:51] <amichair> acheronUK: thanks, I'll do that but first I was curious why the notification never showed up, if my system is messed up or there is a bug that should be investigated/reported
[11:52] <acheronUK> The bug is being looked at
[11:52] <amichair> acheronUK: oh it's a known issue?
[12:02] <hateball> acheronUK: interesting, I only ran "do-release-upgrade" and nothing else and it worked without issue
[12:02] <amichair> I see /var/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-available does exist and mentions 17.04
[12:02] <hateball> don't recall if I was running backports, but I assume that doesnt matter
[12:07] <amichair> now I got motd to show it when sshing locally, but still no gui notification
 @hateball, do-release-upgrade will also work. Just not a gui way
 Discover just cant 'discover' it. All other methods of upgrade should be fine
[12:30] <hateball> The irony :p
[12:33] <amichair> ok, I'm upgrading with do-release-upgrade from terminal. Thanks guys.
[12:41] <acheronUK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1682684
[13:28] <jsawyer> hi guys
[13:29] <jsawyer> i'm a web developer, now i'm using windows 7 on my laptop
[13:29] <jsawyer> i want to switch Kubuntu
[13:29] <jsawyer> is this a good choice for me?
[13:31] <jsawyer> my laptop system properies are; core 2 duo (2.2 Ghz), 3 GB Ram and 1 GB NVIDIA
[13:31] <mgolden_> jsawyer: If you're a developer, using Ubuntu is way preferable to Window
[13:31] <mgolden_> Way easier to get and install the software you need.
[13:31] <mgolden_> sudo apt-get install mysql, and it's there
[13:31] <jsawyer> i'm using Ubuntu before
[13:31] <mgolden_> Kubuntu vs Ubuntu (or others) is somewhat a matter of taste
[13:32] <hateball> jsawyer: as for system specs, should have no worries there regardless of DE
[13:32] <mgolden_> Some would say that Kubuntu is a bit more windows-like, so a bit closer to what you are used to
[13:32] <jsawyer> but unity is RAM monster
[13:32] <jsawyer> i want to PHP develop and record my screen
[13:33] <jsawyer> is KDE good choice for me?
[13:34] <hateball> jsawyer: You're the only one that can find that out
[13:34] <hateball> As for screenrecording, I personally prefer OBS Studio which is not in official repos, but found here https://obsproject.com/download
[13:35] <jsawyer> i asked that question for my system specs, is Kubuntu good choice for my laptop?
[13:35] <jsawyer> oh yeah! i see obs but my choice is kazam. it's very easy and speedy
[13:36] <hateball> Well, if you're going to run a DB-server and various services... I personally would prefer to have a machine with 8GB ram
[13:36] <hateball> but it all depends on the scope of things
[13:36] <hateball> Scale, even
[13:37] <hateball> chromium alone uses 3.5GB ram on my machine atm
[13:37] <jsawyer> hatebal: yeah! you're right.
[13:37] <hateball> but for *Kubuntu* your specs will work fine
[13:38] <jsawyer> oh my god! it's huge Ram usage o_O
[13:40] <mgolden_> It may be that chromium just uses as much ram as it can. It might not be a problem if you had less
[13:40] <mgolden_> 3Gb is not a lot of ram nowadays, but I think you'll be okay.
[13:40] <mgolden_> Worth trying out
[13:41] <mgolden_> Download Kubuntu onto a high-speed thumb drive and try it out
[13:42] <jsawyer> mgolden_ and hateball thanks alot for yours help
[13:42] <jsawyer> this chanel is the best for help, i see
[13:44] <hateball> jsawyer: It's probably best/easiest if you just install onto a machine and then check back if you have any problems
[13:44] <hateball> If things work just great, well then that's great
[13:45] <jsawyer> i used Debian (Wheezy and Jessy) before
[13:45] <jsawyer> Debian works perfect on my machine
[13:46] <jsawyer> but Ubuntu is not good choice, becase Ubuntu (unity-de) is ram monster
[13:46] <jsawyer> after i installed lubuntu
[13:46] <jsawyer> but lubuntu doesn't hibernate
[13:47] <jsawyer> lubuntu is very good but it doesn't sleep when i want
[13:47] <hateball> jsawyer: They all have the same kernel, which allows for hibernation if your hardware supports it
[13:47] <hateball> So it should work just fine regardless of DE
[13:48] <jsawyer> i think the problem is with my NVIDIA vard
[13:48] <jsawyer> *card
[13:53] <mgolden_> You may want to use the proprietary driver
[13:54] <jsawyer> yeah ok! i will try it after install Kubuntu
[13:54] <BluesKaj> jsawyer, which nvidia gpu?
[13:55] <jsawyer> NVIDA GT 240M
[13:55] <jsawyer> NVIDIA*
[14:06] <jsawyer> hey guys! this is my last question the i stop it
[14:07] <jsawyer> is there anyone use vim for web development (front-end & back-end)?
[14:10] <mgolden_> I don't, but I know others who did
[14:10] <syd> jsawyer: I use vim, but not for web development. What's your question?
[14:10] <mgolden_> If you're on kubuntu, try kate
[14:11] <hateball> jsawyer: kate has vim bindings, and syntax hilighting etc
[14:11] <jsawyer> syd, is vim good choice for web development? it's my question
[14:11] <hateball> whatever you're comfortable with using is a good choice :)
[14:12] <jsawyer> i tryed kate on windows, i think it's very good
[14:12] <syd> jsawyer: That really depends on your tastes. It has the advantage that it's everywhere, but you should really look at your workflow. If your ssh'ing to a server to make changes to a website, you're doing something wrong.
[14:12] <Dragnslcr> vim is never a good choice

[14:13] <syd> Personally, I would recommend something like CodeLite for PHP stuff (although make sure you install the 10.x version by adding the CodeLite repo, as recommended on the CodeLite website).
[14:13] <Dragnslcr> But yes, Kate is very good for a relatively basic text editor
[14:13] <syd> With CodeLite you'll get code-completion etc...
[14:13] <Dragnslcr> There are a bunch of other full IDEs out there, but that isn't really a Kubuntu-specific question
[14:15] <jsawyer> Dragnslcr, please stop talking! Go and play in the sand!
[14:16] <jsawyer> syd, now i'm using sublime text 3 but i'm interested about vim
[14:19] <syd> It's good to know vim (at least how to do basic stuff) if you're going to be using Linux, but the learning curve can be steep, and it could hinder productivity if you use it as your primary IDE for development. As I mentioned above, you need to develop a solid workflow that's right for you. As Dragnslcr mentioned, this isn't really a Kubuntu specific topic.
[14:21] <jsawyer> hey thanx all you for helping!
[14:22] <jsawyer> i'm out!
[14:22] <syd> Good luck.
[15:54] <EvilRoey> hi
[15:54] <EvilRoey> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769366 <-- has there been any movement on this bug? zzsh doesnt' work
[17:14] <user|4303> hej
[18:46] <clivejo> EvilRoey: zssh is sync'ed from Debian
[18:47] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zssh no movement bar what looks to be a no change rebuild on 18th Sept 2016
[18:48] <EvilRoey> hmm
[18:49] <EvilRoey> so no one cares abotu this issue then
[18:49] <EvilRoey> I suppose no one uses zssh??
[18:49] <clivejo> what is the issue?
[18:49] <clivejo> there are no bugs in Ubuntu about it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zssh
[18:50] <clivejo> EvilRoey: it would appear the maintainer no longer cares about it - http://zssh.sourceforge.net/
[18:50] <clivejo> last release Sep 2003
[18:51] <EvilRoey> clivejo: thank you
[18:51] <clivejo> but whats the issue?
[18:55] <clivejo> EvilRoey: what is the issue with it?
[18:56] <clivejo> and what distro are you on?
[18:57] <EvilRoey> the isue is that I get that message between two current Kubuntu installations
[18:58] <clivejo> which two?
[18:58] <EvilRoey> this one that I'm on and my one at home
[18:58] <clivejo> xenial and yakkety?
[18:58] <EvilRoey> they're both Yakkety
[18:58] <EvilRoey> and I had the same issue with Xenial as well


[13:14] <LinDol_phone> hi all
[20:00] <jseliga> I'm trying to get Personal File Sharing to work, I turned it on in the GNOME Settings Panel, which didn't work.  I found the Personal Sharing Tool, which said it couldn't be enabled because something was missing so I installed libapache2-mod-dnssd which allowed me to configure Personal File Sharing however other computers are still not seeing the Public folder over the network.
[20:01] <jseliga> I saw a tutorial that said to also install apache2.2-bin however when I attempt to do so it says it's going to remove gnome-user-share and ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[20:07] <jseliga> For 14.10
[21:06] <zoidfarb1> Hi, I'm running standard Ubuntu 14.04 with the gnome-fallback desktop. Can I upgrade to Ubuntu GNOME 14.10? Or do I have to do a fresh reinstall?
[21:14] <Noskcaj> zoidfarb1, Disable any PPAs for the update and you should be fine
[21:15] <zoidfarb1> Noskacj: But how do I make sure it upgrades to Ubuntu GNOME, not just regular Ubuntu? Do I have to add a different repo, or install particular packages?
[21:17] <Noskcaj> zoidfarb1, no extra changes needed. It's the same repository for both
[21:18] <zoidfarb1> Noskcaj: Ok, so what package do I install to switch to Ubuntu GNOME? Just 'gnome' ?
[21:25] <zoidfarb1> I know lubuntu has a meta-package, lubuntu-desktop, but I don't see anything equivalent for Ubuntu GNOME
[21:30] <Noskcaj> zoidfarb1, ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[21:31] <zoidfarb1> Noskcaj: Got it, thank you!
[21:39] <jseliga> Is there a trick to get Personal File Sharing to work?
[21:39] <jseliga> (in 14.10)


[15:38] <IdleOne> !no rmb is <reply> cjohnston, cyphermox, Destine, ejat,  hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, micahg,  Pendulum, PabloRubienes, freeflying, jared, amachu, and bkerensa. Meeting time.
[15:38] <IdleOne> Going with this. PM me or otherwise ping me if it needs fixing
[15:38]  * hggdh pops in (again) ;-)
[15:38] <IdleOne> :P
[15:39] <jared> See it works, you ping and we immediately have quorum.
[15:39] <IdleOne> now if we can only have this happen for meetings we would we set :)
[15:39] <cyphermox> Yay.
[15:39] <IdleOne> s/we/be/
[15:39] <hggdh> I actually was in yesterday, just a tad late
[17:01] <dholbach> hello
[17:01] <dholbach> who do we have here for the CC meeting?
[17:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:02] <dholbach> #startmeeting
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[17:02] <dholbach> #chair czajkowski dholbach
[17:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: czajkowski dholbach
[17:02] <dholbach> so for today's meeting we just have "Ask the CC" on the agenda (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda)
[17:03] <dholbach> I haven't been part of any of these yet, so I guess I'll just ask if there's questions from anyone here? :)
[17:03] <dholbach> #topic Ask the CC
[17:03] <czajkowski> nobody?
[17:04] <czajkowski> well the catch up with the governance boards has been useful
[17:04] <dholbach> yeah :)
[17:04] <czajkowski> but anyone can always ask the CC stuff or raise any issues.
[17:04] <dholbach> it's not entirely Community Council related, but I'd like to just quickly mention something I blogged about yesterday
[17:05] <dholbach> some have noticed that in the redesign of the ubuntu.com page, the "Community" link went missing
[17:05] <dholbach> and there's work underway (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite has more details) to set up a more exciting, more up-to-date and more inviting page
[17:05] <dholbach> where we're still looking for some help to get it all nice and updated
[17:06] <dholbach> once that's up and running, the link will be put back again
[17:06] <dholbach> so if anyone of you is interested in that, please let me know :)
[17:06] <dholbach> Any other questions?
[17:07] <czajkowski> yes it would be nice if people helped if possible
[17:07] <dholbach> I guess if nobody has questions now, we could still answer them via mail and then blog them or something.
[17:07] <czajkowski> dholbach: sounds good to me
[17:07] <dholbach> I guess we can't wait a few more mins and then move over to mail
[17:10] <czajkowski> and the loco council nominations comes to a close tomorrow
[17:10] <czajkowski> so they'll be mailed to the CC
[17:10] <dholbach> ah, great
[17:10] <czajkowski> shall we call it a day
[17:10] <dholbach> all right... I think we'll wrap it here then
[17:11] <dholbach> tomorrow I'll include it in our team report, so people get another chance to see the call for questions
[17:11] <dholbach> all right everyone
[17:11] <czajkowski> toodles
[17:11] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day
[17:11] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 18 17:11:19 2013 UTC.
[17:11] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-04-18-17.02.moin.txt
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[17:53] <crhrabal> I'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but I have not been able to use Accomplishments since 13.04. Is this project still set to release in 13.04?