[01:09] <tsimonq2> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-contributors-to-the-ubuntu-weekly-newsletter/1539
[01:09] <tsimonq2> If only I had seen marathone's message here earlier...


[11:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:57] <czajkowski> nice read from barry to the ml I think
[12:10] <ebel> aye
[12:13]  * ebel means to reply
[12:13] <ebel> to sorta say "go for it", etc.
[12:15] <airurando> afternoon.
[12:15] <airurando> I agree a great mail from barry.
[14:46] <solarcloud_3scrn> hi guys ...#
[14:46] <solarcloud_3scrn> just tesing out new keyboard ..
[14:56] <ebel> hello
[15:17] <puffisocks> solarcloud_3scrn: doesn't seem to be working very well


[02:09] <Unit193> Reminder about the meeting tomorrow.
[02:21] <skellat> My reports were submitted to the mailing list in case I don't make it.  My morning Thursday is looking to be a bit fluid schedule-wise.
[04:39] <pleia2> skellat: thanks :)
[04:46] <Unit193> I had action items too, 1. Thanks to the people that tested, and plei, email was sent but heard not a thing back.  2. New ISO spin, 0.0.7 (released 07-14) hasn't hit the system-compositor-testing repo yet, so nothing to do.
[05:01] <micahg> I might not be around for the meeting
[08:44] <knome> looks like many might not be around.
[09:18] <lderan-work> :(
[09:25] <lderan-work> oh knome with the vote linking, is that just for within moin, for the bot
[09:25] <lderan-work> will be able to finish that this evening a put it up for merging :D
[10:03] <JCD> any idea why `chown 1:1 /dir/file` does not work?
[10:10] <knome> JCD, please ask the support channel
[10:10] <knome> lderan-work, it'd be great if we could link the votes to the html output logs
[10:11] <lderan-work> okay sounds good
[12:47] <JCD> k
[12:47] <JCD> solved it was the binary itself that was broken
[12:57]  * elfy won't be back in time for the meeting
[13:24] <bluesabre> I'll be here for the meeting, hopefully :)
[13:37] <bluesabr1> Screenshots for the user-config app Mugshot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887544/
[13:47] <micahg> bluesabre: looking forward to your gksu removal trick
[13:48] <bluesabre> micahg, sure thing :)
[13:48] <bluesabre> its basically my own implementation using pexpect
[13:49] <bluesabre> it also seems I should look into porting pexpect to python3
[13:51] <knome> bluesabre, if you'll be here for the meeting, can you chair?
[13:51] <knome> i'm going to miss the meeting as well
[13:52] <micahg> knome: reschedule for tomorrow at 15:00?
[13:52] <knome> i would have been missing that as well, but our schedules changed today, so maybe... otoh, i might as well miss it then.
[13:52] <knome> (rescheduling still in progress)
[13:53] <knome> i would say go on with the meeting, and if people think we need another one, we can meet up tomorrow impromptu
[13:53] <knome> so let's say, ping people tomorrow at 15UTC as well if they are around and if they want to discuss further
[13:54] <knome> does that make sense to you?
[13:54] <bluesabre> knome: maybe, never done it before, and I might have something here at work at that time :(
[13:54] <knome> if you can't, np
[13:54] <knome> somebody will
[13:54] <knome> at least do #startmeeting and #chair all team members who are around
[13:56] <bluesabre> syntax is #startmeeting Xubuntu team meeting?
[13:56] <knome> s/team/community/
[13:56] <knome> and yeah
[13:56] <knome> and if you don't remember the meeting name.. nvm it them
[13:56] <knome> *then
[13:56] <knome> i also revamped https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology earlier
[13:56] <bluesabre> ok, I can probably do that at least :)
[13:56] <knome> that should be pretty clear
[13:57] <knome> (and the #chair syntax is: #chair nick1 nick2 nick3...)
[13:57] <bluesabre> ok
[13:57] <knome> that allows others to run the meeting and change topics if you have to go away
[13:57] <bluesabre> works for me
[13:57] <knome> thanks
[13:58] <knome> ok, bbl
[13:58] <bluesabre> seeya
[13:58] <knome> hf!
[14:31] <lderan-work> i will be here for the meeting, tho intermittent due to work
[14:43] <bluesabre> cool, I won't be alone :)
[14:43]  * micahg won't be here
[14:48] <bluesabre> :(
[14:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: ping
[14:59] <bluesabre> Unit193 mrpouit pleia2?
[15:00] <bluesabre> anybody else here for the meeting?
[15:00] <pleia2> hi
[15:00] <bluesabre> woot!
[15:01] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jul 18 15:01:05 2013 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:01] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[15:01] <bluesabre> chair pleia2
[15:01] <bluesabre> #chair pleia2
[15:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre pleia2
[15:01] <bluesabre> knome can't make it, or elfy, micahg, and probably ochosi
[15:02] <bluesabre> so this will probably be a short meeting at best
[15:02]  * pleia2 nods
[15:03] <bluesabre> pleia2, do you want to lead the meeting, this is new to me :D
[15:03]  * pleia2 just woke up
[15:03] <pleia2> :)
[15:03] <bluesabre> I can just paste the things knome usually posts :)
[15:03]  * pleia2 opens last meeting log
[15:04] <bluesabre> #topic Items carried on
[15:04] <bluesabre> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
[15:04] <bluesabre> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Xubuntu.2BAC8-Meetings.2BAC8-Archive.2BAC8-Minutes.2BAC8-2013-07-11.Action_items.2C_by_person
[15:04] <pleia2> I had one with gridcube to start social media stuff for the desktop wallpaper submissions
[15:04] <pleia2> but I haven't heard from him about that yet
[15:05] <bluesabre> cool, its been neat to see progress on that stuff :)
[15:05] <bluesabre> #info A new app for setting user profile image and details: Mugshot
[15:05] <bluesabre> #link https://launchpad.net/mugshot
[15:06] <bluesabre> with a daily ppa:
[15:06] <bluesabre> #link https://launchpad.net/~mugshot-dev/+archive/daily
[15:06] <bluesabre> and screenshots:
[15:06] <bluesabre> #link http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887544/
[15:07] <bluesabre> Do we want something like this in xubuntu?
[15:07] <pleia2> #action pleia2 and GridCube prepare the social media broadcasting for desktop showcase
[15:07] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 and GridCube prepare the social media broadcasting for desktop showcase
[15:08] <pleia2> so the installer used to have (still has?) the thing where it takes your picture
[15:08] <pleia2> is that what this is meant to address?
[15:08] <bluesabre> yeah, but there is no way to change it after you install
[15:08] <pleia2> ah, gotcha
[15:08] <bluesabre> and since lightdm-gtk-greeter now supports and shows user profile images, it makes it easy to change that
[15:09] <pleia2> I think it's a good idea
[15:09] <pleia2> even chromeos has one, and it's barely got anything :)
[15:09] <bluesabre> :D
[15:10] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to discuss with team possible inclusion of mugshot
[15:10] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to discuss with team possible inclusion of mugshot
[15:10] <bluesabre> since nobody is here :D
[15:11] <pleia2> yeah :)
[15:11] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to possibly coordinate testing mugshot with elfy
[15:11] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to possibly coordinate testing mugshot with elfy
[15:11] <lderan-work> :P
[15:12] <bluesabre> anything else for previous action items?
[15:13] <pleia2> seems like that's it
[15:13] <bluesabre> #topic Team updates
[15:13] <bluesabre> other than mugshot, nothing new from me since last week
[15:13] <bluesabre> ochosi has been working on a new alt-tab switcher update for 4.12
[15:13] <pleia2> #info We now have stickers available for shipment worldwide via Unixstickers.com
[15:13] <pleia2> #link http://www.unixstickers.com/xubuntu
[15:14] <bluesabre> yay!
[15:14] <pleia2> they've been awesome :)
[15:14] <bluesabre> I'll order some when I get paid tomorrow
[15:14] <pleia2> in return they'll be sending me stickers every so often (usually they do profit sharing, but it's difficult for us to accept)
[15:14] <pleia2> so sticker sharing!
[15:15] <bluesabre> thats pretty awesome
[15:15] <bluesabre> #info ochosi has been working on a new alt-tab switcher update for 4.12
[15:16] <bluesabre> and I don't know what anyone else has been up to
[15:16] <pleia2> #info knome has been working on some theme improvements to xubuntu.org
[15:16] <bluesabre> thats exciting
[15:16] <pleia2> #info we're launching our "Xubuntu at..." series of interviews with orgs using Xubuntu tomorrow
[15:17] <pleia2> if anyone has suggestions on orgs to interview, let me know :)
[15:17] <lderan-work> ooo that is cool
[15:18] <bluesabre> I'll probably bug folks on g+ about that
[15:18] <bluesabre> anything else?  did we talk about the SRU docs update at the last meeting?
[15:19] <pleia2> oh
[15:20] <pleia2> yeah we did, I did a call for writing them
[15:20] <bluesabre> cool
[15:20] <pleia2> #info jjfrv8 has been doing great work on the backport of 12.04 docs, we're on schedule to complete by Aug 1st
[15:20] <bluesabre> \o?
[15:20] <bluesabre> \o/
[15:21] <bluesabre> ready to move to announcements?
[15:21] <slickymaster_> pleia2, sorry if it's off-topic, but in the last meeting it was decided, regarding the Mir tests in a VM setup to report any bugs/crashes to you. How do we do that, through the mailing list?
[15:22] <pleia2> slickymaster_: so we've already finished that - collecting info was for a report sent to the list and Jono to get some eyeballs of a Mir developer on it
[15:22] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-July/009101.html
[15:23] <pleia2> unfortunately we haven't heard anything back yet :( so for now I think testing is paused until we can get some kind of feedback on how to move forwards
[15:23] <pleia2> -s
[15:23] <slickymaster_> pleia2, OK. Thanks, anyway
[15:24] <slickymaster_> pleia2, yes and the clock is ticking
[15:24] <pleia2> slickymaster_: thank you though! your efforts will be valuable in the very near future :)
[15:24] <pleia2> I should probably follow up with Unit193's email, it's been almost a week
[15:24] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to follow up with Mir email asking for an update
[15:24] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to follow up with Mir email asking for an update
[15:24] <slickymaster_> pleia2, you're welcome
[15:25] <bluesabre> anything else for team updates?
[15:26] <pleia2> I think that's it :)
[15:26] <bluesabre> #topic Announcements
[15:26] <bluesabre> anything to add here?
[15:27] <pleia2> nothing from me
[15:28] <bluesabre> me either
[15:28] <lderan-work> same
[15:29] <bluesabre> moving on...
[15:29] <bluesabre> #topic New and emerging items
[15:29] <bluesabre> #subtopic Proposal for more structured handling of Xubuntu bugs
[15:29] <bluesabre> I figured this one is postponed until next meeting
[15:30] <pleia2> skellat: sent a note to the list
[15:30] <pleia2> but now I can't find it in the archives O_o
[15:31] <pleia2> I think something changed with mailing list archives, they used to show up pretty much immediately but now they're lagged a lot
[15:31] <pleia2> I'll pastebin it for now
[15:32] <pleia2> #link http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887901/
[15:32] <pleia2> so I *think* what he means is that we shouldn't have our own bug team, but instead maybe just convince more folks to look at joining bug squad?
[15:33] <bluesabre> that's what I get from it as well
[15:33] <lderan-work> indeed
[15:33] <bluesabre> is the bug squad bug finders or bug fixers?
[15:34] <bluesabre> (or bug makers)
[15:34] <lderan-work> think they are bug fixers
[15:35] <pleia2> triage and possibly
[15:35] <lderan-work> triagers of the bugs?
[15:35] <pleia2> I think mostly keeping an eye out on what's there, bringing things to our attention
[15:35] <pleia2> lderan-work: yes
[15:35] <bluesabre> ah
[15:35] <slickymaster_> IMO, I think they have a wide scope, from bug finders to bug triagers and to bug fixers
[15:36] <pleia2> I think the trouble is now we have a big list of bugs, and only our devs are looking at them (and they have precious, valuable time :))
[15:36] <bluesabre> yeah
[15:36] <bluesabre> lots of bugs, few devs with fewer resources
[15:38] <bluesabre> anything else we want to add to this, or other new items?
[15:38] <pleia2> I'm done
[15:39] <bluesabre> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
[15:39] <bluesabre> pleia2: I leave this to you :)
[15:40] <pleia2> hah
[15:40] <pleia2> we should hold off on this until more folks are around :)
[15:40] <pleia2> and I'm not going to be here next week anyway
[15:40] <bluesabre> we can be cruel and schedule this for a time convenient to us in the US
[15:40] <pleia2> haha
[15:40] <pleia2> knome never sleeps, it'll be fine
[15:40] <bluesabre> lol
[15:41] <bluesabre> #nick team
[15:41] <bluesabre> #info team to schedule next meeting when more of the team is around
[15:41] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[15:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 15:41:45 2013 UTC.
[15:41] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-07-18-15.01.moin.txt
[15:41] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-07-18-15.01.html
[15:41] <pleia2> thanks bluesabre! :)
[15:42] <bluesabre> thanks pleia2, slickymaster_, and lderan-work!
[15:42] <slickymaster_> thanks bluesabre, pleia2
[15:42] <slickymaster_> oh, and lderan-work
[15:42] <lderan-work> :P
[15:43] <lderan-work> i did nothing so \o/
[15:43] <slickymaster_> see you all
[15:43] <bluesabre> knome will do some fancy stuff with the minutes later (maybe/probably)
[16:12] <elfy> bluesabre: just shout when you want to catch up with ^^ - just not yet :)
[16:13]  * skellat is finally back from an unplanned jaunt into Lake County
[16:14] <skellat> pleia2: It was late when I wrote the e-mail.  We don't have the resources to have our own dedicated team.  People can proceed on their own **but** that is about all we can do at this point.
[16:15] <skellat> pleia2: So yeah, you broke through my regrettable lapse into corporate-hack jargon with relative ease
[16:15]  * skellat wanders off to get hands-on with a Raspberry Pi for surgery
[16:25] <bluesabre> skellat, that sounds dangerous
[16:25] <bluesabre> :D
[16:26] <bluesabre> elfy, sure thing, now's not best for me either, but let me know what info you need
[17:04] <Unit193> Thing is, if you do bugsquad you get tons more {email,notifications} than just the Xubuntu related stuff, but maybe that's me.  Mir team didn't see VM support as something that has to be there for 13.10, but recently got a bump for a Unity dev about it.
[18:19] <knome> i'm back.
[18:20] <knome> +1 for mugshot
[18:21] <knome> pleia2, can we do a template for the "Xubuntu at..." series? a wikipage would serve the purpose fine
[18:21] <pleia2> yeah
[18:23] <knome> re: bug squad, some of us are already part of that via indirect memberships from other teams
[18:23] <knome> maybe not the top-level team that has control over everything, but i think at least me and pleia2 can do bug importances
[18:23] <knome> and all of our devs too
[18:27] <pleia2> "You are not a member of this team." ha ha! not even indirectly!
[18:27] <knome> woot
[18:27] <pleia2> (i am a member of everything else somehow)
[18:27] <pleia2> hehe
[18:28] <Unit193> I just have the ubuntu-docs bug spamming me. :P
[18:33] <lderan> :P
[18:34] <skellat> knome: Noskcaj and I are recent direct members of bug squad FWIW
[18:35] <knome> skellat, that's good
[18:36] <skellat> Yeah, we're not top-level controllers which are the ones who can set importance
[18:36] <skellat> That would be you and pleia2 however you have that access via indirect membership
 re: bug squad, some of us are already part of that via indirect memberships from other teams - that'll be why I suddenly get mails for bugs that mean nothing to me then
[18:37] <knome> elfy, lol, probably
[18:37] <knome> elfy, just filter them out ;)
[18:38] <knome> i'm filtering out a lot of stuff
[18:38] <knome> some of it might be semi-important, but people will let me know i missed something
[18:38] <knome> i missed the sponsorship granted -email for the first UDS, so...
[18:38] <knome> (went to spam)
[18:38] <elfy> I do the filtering with a cup of tea - ignore, ignore, ignore ...
[18:38] <knome> i have a few dozen filters in thunderbird
[18:39] <elfy> yea - me too
[18:40] <bluesabre> what, I figured you were a claws or silpheed user knome
[18:40] <bluesabre> or elm
[18:40] <knome> bluesabre, nah
[18:41] <knome> i have a very customized TB though
[18:42]  * ochosi uses claws-mail (which might also be a reason why there are two nice icon-themes for it ;))
[18:42] <Unit193> bluesabre: Use alpine!
[18:42] <bluesabre> Unit193: do you even use a graphical env? :D
[18:42] <bluesabre> oh yeah, xombrero
[18:43] <knome> :P
[18:43] <pleia2> mutt4ever
[18:43] <knome> anything that does the job is fine
[18:43] <pleia2> (just kidding, I don't use it that much anymore)
[18:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'll have you know, I have 4 terminals (3 with screen, 1 tmux), pcmanfm, firefox, and skype open. :P
[18:43] <pleia2> ochosi: lmk if you'd rather send info to Sonny, you're the only address I'm waiting on before I send the batch over to him
[18:44] <knome> pleia2, i sent his
[18:44] <knome> pleia2, you got CC
[18:44] <pleia2> o
[18:44] <pleia2> I don't read your emails
[18:45] <knome> thanks
[18:45] <bluesabre> right to /dev/null
[18:45] <pleia2> I assumed you were sending your address, I didn't think to actually read it :)
[18:45] <knome> yeah, talking about filters..
[18:45] <knome> lol
[18:45] <ochosi> pleia2: so wait, you need my address again? i can quickly PM it
[18:45] <knome> my address will be in the form
[18:45] <knome> ochosi, she doesn't
[18:45] <pleia2> alright, then we have them all then
[18:45] <ochosi> ok
[18:45] <ochosi> great
[18:45] <pleia2> ochosi: sorry, thanks anyway :)
[18:46] <ochosi> np ;)
[18:46] <ochosi> sorry i missed the meeting
[18:46] <ochosi> wasn't really foreseeable
[18:46] <knome> heh, same here
[18:46] <knome> except that it was
[18:47] <knome> i just didn't remember that astraljava et avec were coming here today :P
[18:47] <ochosi> right
[18:47] <ochosi> yeah, i just returned from germany, so i had some stuff to take care of
[18:51] <pleia2> knome: you haven't sent form yet, right?
[18:51] <Unit193> pleia2: You haz reply, they don't like me. :(
[18:52] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/marketing_da/badge-2.png
[18:52] <knome> pleia2, no, but it's on my todo list for today
[18:53] <pleia2> k thx
[18:53] <pleia2> Unit193: I think they just needed an Action Required nudge :)
[18:53] <pleia2> easy to forget that we were left hanging
[18:54] <Unit193> (Kidding.)  Well, I don't even see 0.0.7 in there yet, but if you *really* want, I can spin one up...  I did just lose my secondary buildd/generator/etc a few minutes ago, though. :/
[18:55] <bluesabre> make a TODO file with "help xubuntu", then do a merge request with that to their trunk
[18:56] <pleia2> :)
[18:56] <knome> ok, sent the form
[18:56]  * pleia2 gives knome a gold star
[18:56] <knome> ta
[18:56] <knome> it was ready, all done, for like weeks
[18:56] <knome> but didn't get to email it
[18:56] <knome> d'oh
[18:57] <pleia2> Unit193: if you want, I'm inclined to just do a vanilla install myself and then follow the instrcutions on http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/installing_prebuilt_on_pc.html
[18:57] <knome> 3rd of June.
[18:57] <knome> oops.
[18:57] <pleia2> lol
[18:57] <pleia2> yeah I do that all the time
[18:57] <pleia2> paperwork is boring
[18:57] <knome> yup
[18:58] <elfy> bluesabre: "but let me know what info you need" - what it is, where it is, is it working now, what do you want the test to do
[18:58] <elfy> about sums it up :)
[18:59] <elfy> I'll look in here tomorrow
[18:59] <elfy> cya
[19:00] <bluesabre> elfy: it's an app that lets you change your user profile image (as seen on the login screen), user details (as seen with the finger command), (some) libreoffice user settings, and pidgin buddy icon
[19:00] <ochosi> eh, too late :}
[19:01] <bluesabre> it does work now, will release 0.1 tonight
[19:01] <bluesabre> yeah I know
[19:01] <Unit193> Not for forestpiskie.
[19:01] <bluesabre> I'll tag forestpiskie a few times :)
[19:01] <knome> ochosi, not really, forestpiskie is here
[19:01] <knome> haha.
[19:01] <bluesabre> lol
[19:01] <ochosi> right, forestpiskie ...
[19:01] <bluesabre> (or you guys can do it for me)
[19:02] <ochosi> hopefully he won't get cocky with so much attention/highlighting going on!
[19:02] <bluesabre> forestpiskie: testing would be good to make sure functionality is good for multiple people, including webcam-support
[19:03] <bluesabre> usage details can be seen with the built-in help button (which depends on yelp for now, but there are many who would prefer otherwise)
[19:17] <bluesabre> forestpiskie: I'll probably also write a blog post later with lots of details
[19:25] <knome> pleia2, GridCube: checked the url i sent earlier?
[19:26] <pleia2> knome: that's nice
[19:27] <GridCube> oh :D i like it
[19:27] <GridCube> very professional looking :)
[19:28] <knome> good - then go use it
[19:28] <bluesabre> lol
[19:28] <pleia2> then we should announce this thing soon
[19:29] <pleia2> poor xubuntu.org, months without posts and then I'm flooding it
[19:29] <GridCube> :)
[19:29] <knome> haha
[19:29] <knome> we also need to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/ (or create a subpage) with dA
[19:30] <pleia2> and stickers
[19:30] <knome> i would probably do a simple frontpage with marketing audience
[19:30] <pleia2> I shall create a bug, because right now I am working
[19:30] <pleia2> for the website
[19:30] <knome> then link to projects / social media / ideas
[19:30] <GridCube> http://xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com/
[19:30] <GridCube> done :)
[19:30] <knome> i can update the wiki now
[19:30] <knome> pleia2, ^ does that sound sensible?
[19:31] <pleia2> knome: yep
[19:31] <knome> oki, i'll go ahead
[19:32] <pleia2> knome: oh, and we actually have to create the page on our website that showcases the showcased images ;)
[19:32] <knome> heh
[19:32] <knome> sure
[19:32] <bluesabre> GridCube: just sent a join request :)
[19:32] <pleia2> and figure out how GridCube should send them to us (dA link each week?)
[19:32] <knome> if you want, you can file a bug
[19:32] <pleia2> I will file bug
[19:32] <knome> or look at the permissions and make people do it themself
[19:33] <GridCube> bluesabre, as member? its auto accepted :) but if you want i can make you an admin
[19:34] <bluesabre> I'll just be a member for now :)
[19:34] <GridCube> 'kay
[19:34] <bluesabre> ah, cool :)
[19:35] <ochosi> GridCube: looks cool! great initiative
[19:35] <knome> GridCube, do you still want to be linked with your nick or is realname ok?
[19:36] <knome> + can you send or point me to a full list of other admins for the wikipage
[19:36] <GridCube> knome, either way im ok
[19:36] <knome> ok, thanks
[19:37] <GridCube> knome, http://xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com/aboutus/
[19:37] <knome> ta ta
[19:37] <GridCube> pleia2 never filled the about us page tho P:
[19:37]  * pleia2 does so
[19:37] <GridCube> neither did M-Jae
[19:38] <pleia2> there
[19:39] <knome> do we know M-Jae's real name / is it ok to have that on the wiki?
[19:39] <GridCube> i guess its ok, let me search the mailing list
[19:40] <knome> oki, ta
[19:40] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/SocialMedia
[19:40] <knome> feel free to link yourself
[19:40] <knome> pleia2, is G+ accurate / is knez active?
[19:41] <bluesabre> pleia2 seems to be in charge of everything
[19:41] <GridCube> her name is Joan Advincula
[19:41] <pleia2> knome: he's still the ruler, semi-active
[19:42] <knome> ok
[19:43] <GridCube> :) done knome
[19:44] <knome> wiki is lagging for me again
[19:44] <pleia2> Noskcaj: have you emailed Sonny your payment forms?
[19:44] <knome> s/forms/form/
[19:44] <pleia2> you keep saying you would, he keeps telling me you havne't ;)
[19:45] <Noskcaj> pleia2, no. I've kept forgetting.
[19:45] <pleia2> Noskcaj: please do it ASAP
[19:45] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:45] <pleia2> you're the only one he doesn't have any info for, I don't want this to keep dragging on :)
[19:46] <knome> yeah, even i got around to send the form after filling it 6 weeks ago
[19:46] <knome> GridCube, since there are no featured images on dA, maybe we could prefill that with a default shot from 13.04 ?
[19:47] <GridCube> sure
[19:48] <GridCube> :) im uploading it
[19:48] <knome> pleia2, re: wiki + Marketing/Products (+projects), we should get the finished stuff to xubuntu.org and clean up the wiki as we move the stuff
[19:49] <pleia2> yeah
[19:50]  * knome slaps the wiki
[19:50] <knome> are they caching wiki edits too so they show up two days later?
[19:51] <GridCube> what version of greybird comes default in that picture?
[20:04] <GridCube> submited, now it needs aproval, pleia2, lderan :D if you can aprove the one i just sent please
[20:04] <lderan> sure :D
[20:05] <lderan> done
[20:06] <knome> lol, there is no super button to approve things sent by admins?
[20:06] <knome> way to go
[20:13] <GridCube> knome, P: i set myself to the same standards
[20:13] <GridCube> i could autoaccept myself
[20:13] <GridCube> ¬¬ probably should do that now on
[20:14] <knome> well at least when you're uploading default setting shots ;)
[20:17] <GridCube> http://xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com/gallery/
[20:17] <GridCube> ;D
[20:17] <knome> devian tart
[20:18] <GridCube> so i cheated P: i changed my own setting not to auto acept, but to need one vote, so i can vote P: so i have a buffer against errors
[20:18] <knome> hah
[20:19] <lderan> cunning :P
[20:20] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing is now updated
[20:21] <pleia2> ty
[20:21] <knome> np
[20:21] <knome> note that i did move some pages
[20:21] <knome> so you might want to update bookmarks if you had those
[20:36] <bluesabre> pushed my first submission to the group :)
[20:37]  * knome goes laughing once it's approved
[20:38] <knome> i mean, oops
[20:50] <lderan> bluesabre, 2 more votes and its in :D
[20:56]  * bluesabre slaps knome
[20:57] <bluesabre> get a hold of yourself man!
[20:57] <bluesabre> and
[20:57] <bluesabre> bbl
[21:43] <gian1> regarding the absence of replies on the topic of XMir; before you go poking the devs, has a xubuntu-devel list admin checked for any blocked messages lately?
[21:44] <knome> there's a message from tonight.
[21:45] <knome> but i'm pretty sure that's after the poking.
[21:45] <gian1> ah
[21:45] <knome> approved.
[21:45] <Unit193> Yep, poked by mail and response was had.
[21:45] <knome> yeah, 10min after the poke from our side
[21:46] <pleia2> ah sorry, when I checked the queue after the mail came in it wasn't there
[21:46] <pleia2> then again mailman is having some trouble today, there is a ticket with IS
[21:46] <knome> no kidding
[22:08] <Unit193> Meh, for anyone that actually cares, changes from 832 to 848 are what's different from last PPA package and the current one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/trunk/changes/848?start_revid=832
[22:24] <bluesabre> GridCube: Updated my details :D
[22:27] <GridCube> :)
[22:27] <skellat> Unit193: Do you want to start up a rebuild of the test disc or do you feel it isn't time yet?
[22:33] <Unit193> As I said last night, 0.0.7 isn't in repo, nothing to do.
[22:34] <skellat> Good enough
[23:24] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Welcome back.
[23:25] <jjfrv8> Thanks.


[00:06] <luis__> algun canal de server en español
[00:08] <twb> !es
[00:10] <twb> siento, solo #ubuntu-es, no hay #ubuntu-server-es
[00:37] <twb> OK WTF.  So someone "helpfully" renamed the printer's DHCP name.    Graah!
[00:43] <twb> Solved by stopping cups again and deleting from its "config" file some state variables that ought to be in /var/ somewhere.
[00:44] <twb> Incidentally, cancel(1) is a STUPIDLY AMBIGUOUS name to be reserved for printing
[01:30] <jehoshua02> Hey guys, any troubleshooting tips for an "unable to read font" error? Here's my research so far: https://gist.github.com/1436020#file_rubyforge_install_faq.md
[01:34] <twb> jehoshua02: error from what?
[01:38] <twb> Oh, redmine
[01:40] <jehoshua02> "unable to read font" is an ambiguous message. Gives no indication of why.
[01:41] <twb> Looks like libmagick is having trouble reading a specific pfb
[01:41] <twb> Maybe libmagick can't speak pfb in the first place?
[01:41] <twb> You need to find libmagick people and ask them about this line: Magick::ImageMagickError (unable to read font `/opt/redmine/common/share/ghostscript/fonts/n019003l.pfb' @ annotate.c/RenderFreetype/1043: `(null)'):
[01:42]  * jehoshua02 Hmm... libmagick people... where are you?
[01:57] <twb> Probably there is a channel like #imagemagick
[05:56] <Resistance> anyone here willing to review my HOW-TO posts on my blog for setting up nginx on Ubuntu?  I only need general input, i've got my nginx contacts reviewing the content for accuracy.  https://blog.trekweb.org/categories/ubuntu/nginx/  <-- if you'd be so kind :)
[05:56] <twb> php5 isn't nginx
[05:58] <Resistance> twb:  true, but the tutorial specifically goes into configuring nginx to work with php5
[05:59] <Resistance> (for the nginx people, basically, since i work with their support channel here on freenode)
[05:59] <Resistance> ignoring relevancy, the question is content and understandability :P
[06:01] <Resistance> (you'd be surprised how many people try to set up nginx to use fastcgi, which doesnt work at all :/)
[06:02] <Resistance> s/at all/at all without some PHP handler, and the preferred one for Debian based systems is php5-fpm/
[06:06] <user> good morning!
[06:07] <user> i have the following problem: after upgrade from natty to oneiric cron sends me the following mail:
[06:07] <user> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/sqlite.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/sqlite.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[06:08] <user> i think its because libsqlite.so is missing from php5-sqlite. in oneiric it only contains libsqlite3.so
[06:14] <SpamapS> user: sqlite is deprecated
[06:14] <SpamapS> user: you should be using sqlite3
[06:16] <SpamapS> Resistance: /var/fpm is not FHS compliant...
[06:17] <Resistance> SpamapS:  then provide a suggestion
[06:17] <Resistance> or a replacement
[06:17] <SpamapS> Resistance: /var/lib/php5-fpm would be more appropriate
[06:17] <Resistance> for the socket?
[06:17] <SpamapS> Resistance: or /srv/www
[06:17] <SpamapS> actually for a socket
[06:17] <SpamapS> /var/run/php5-fpm
[06:18] <Resistance> i'll fix that now
[06:18] <Resistance> SpamapS:  i assume /var/run/php5-fpm doesn't exist by default...?
[06:18] <Resistance> or does it?
[06:18] <SpamapS> doesn't it usually listen there already?
[06:18] <Resistance> nope, by default it uses a TCP listener last time i checked
[06:18]  * Resistance will triple-check
[06:18] <SpamapS> ahh
[06:19]  * SpamapS uses php5-fpm but does not change the defaults. :)
[06:19] <Resistance> :P
[06:19] <user> yes i know that, but package roundcube depends on sqlite afaik
[06:19] <user> roundcube is now disfunctional after the upgrade
[06:19] <Resistance> the nginx people actually prefer the use of sockets over TCP
[06:19] <Resistance> unless the PHP stuff is off-site :P
[06:19] <Resistance> SpamapS:  i assume php5-fpm would be the socket's name?
[06:20] <SpamapS> user: maybe fix roundcube then. ;)
[06:20] <SpamapS> Resistance: php5-fpm.sock would be more obvious...
[06:20] <Resistance> that's what i was considering using in the thing
[06:20] <Resistance> rather than just php5-fpm in /var/run
[06:20] <SpamapS> Resistance: if it has a pid file too.. then /var/run/php5-fpm/php5-fpm.sock might even be better
[06:21] <SpamapS> then you can put the pid file in /var/run/php5-fpm/php5-fpm.pid
[06:21] <SpamapS> Resistance: maybe submit a bug report suggesting that php5-fpm listen on a standard socket too.
[06:21] <Resistance> :P
[06:21] <Resistance> SpamapS:  meh, cba to file a bug just now
[06:21] <Resistance> SpamapS:  on another note, i'm not even sure ***WHERE*** the pid is stored
[06:21] <Resistance> since i leave the pid stuff at its default
[06:22] <SpamapS> PIDFILE=/var/run/php5-fpm.pid
[06:22] <Resistance> is that the default?
[06:22] <SpamapS> yes
[06:22] <Resistance> then i'm just going to leave that :P
[06:23] <Resistance> the nginx+php5-fpm post should be updated now
[06:23] <Resistance> SpamapS:  i assume i'd file it against the source package?
[06:24] <SpamapS> Resistance: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+filebug
[06:24] <Resistance> that's what i thought, thanks
[06:24]  * Resistance knows those links well, since he's trying to backport php 5.3.8 to natty/oneiric within a PPA :P
[06:28] <Resistance> SpamapS:  bug #900620 if you're interested in tracking it
[06:28] <Resistance> SpamapS:  other than those inconsistencies, which i have attempted to fix, any other suggestions on the blog posts?
[06:36] <Resistance> lool
[06:46] <twb> SpamapS: probably /run by now
[06:49] <SpamapS> twb: Until 12.04 is out, I suggest people use /var/run so their instructions work on 10.04
[06:49] <SpamapS> *packages* must start using /run
[06:50] <SpamapS> Resistance: one stupid niggle.. not a real problem. You shouldn't show PHP code examples with the worthless PHP close tag  ?> ... just causes problems
[06:50] <twb> 11.10 didn't have /run ?
[06:50] <SpamapS> twb: 11.10 has /run
[06:50] <SpamapS> its the first release to have /run
[06:50] <twb> k
[06:51] <Resistance> SpamapS: bleh, you're impossible to please :P
[06:51] <SpamapS> Resistance: I'm quite happy, the post looks great. Its just bad form. ;)
[06:51] <Resistance> SpamapS:  what would you recommend i put in place of that code?  (btw, I usually code in strict PHP, including all closing tags :P)
[06:51] <SpamapS> Resistance: just delete the third line
[06:51] <Resistance> ok
[06:51] <SpamapS> <? phpinfo();
[06:51] <Resistance> *reloads the connection*
[06:51] <SpamapS> actually <?php phpinfo();
[06:51] <SpamapS> who needs 2 lines right?
[06:52] <twb> strict php is no php :P
[06:52] <Resistance> :P
[06:52] <Resistance> SpamapS:  better?
[06:53] <SpamapS> Resistance: purty
[06:53] <Resistance> :P
[06:53] <Resistance> okay, well i'm headed to bed
[06:53] <Resistance> i've got to be up at 06:45 and its almost 02:00
[07:41] <aarcane> So I'm curious about running Ubuntu Server in a virtual environment.  I have a setup that would lend itsself well to either using disk images or to using exposed filesystems.  Both are equally simple to configure and deploy.  The question, for my environment, is which is better performant ?  has anyone done a side-by-side comparison ?
[08:07] <auston> Hi, I have my server running 2 NICs with forwarding function but trying to configure firewall using iptables from chain FORWARD but failed. When I use DROP command, the client is not able to connect to internet even exception was made for port 80.
[08:08] <auston> If I excluded the DROP from the FORWARD, the client is able to access the internet.
[08:30] <dckirba> hello all, how are you doing?
[08:30] <dckirba> Does anyone have a moment to spare? Need help configuring jabber2d on the local office server
[08:31] <ikonia> what's up ?
[09:02] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:41] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:47] <lynxman> hey koolhead11 o/
[09:48] <koolhead11> hello lynxman :)
[10:07] <matti> Guys.
[10:07] <matti> Is there a way to force installer to swap order of drives / contollers it will "install" -- so to speak?
[10:08]  * matti is trying to find something...
[10:10] <Myrtti> matti: what do you mean by swapping the order?
[10:11] <matti> Myrtti: I want my sdb -> sda, as my 3Ware should be my boot contoller :)
[10:12] <matti> Myrtti: To be honest, this is puzzling me. As grub is failing to install from the installer on my 60 TB array that is using GPT partition table on sda.
[10:12] <matti> Myrtti: Which is not a boot contoller anyway.
[10:12] <matti> Myrtti: It seems that despite the setting in BIOS and ROM load-order set, kernel and/or installer loads drivers in an alphabetical order.
[10:14] <Myrtti> right, well I was going to suggest changing the settings in BIOS but oh well
[10:14] <Myrtti> you're ahead of me already
[10:14] <matti> :)
[10:14] <matti> Trying to automate this is a pure nightmare.
[10:20] <Ursinha> gooooood morning
[10:26] <Daviey> matti: Hmm, you can make sdb the install disk?
[10:26] <Daviey> isn't that enough?
[10:26] <Daviey> If you depend on sda always being sda, you are probably doing it wrong :)
[10:27] <ersi> Wouldn't GUID's be the preferred way here?
[10:30] <matti> Daviey: I don't care.
[10:31] <matti> Daviey: But try to convince grub-installer from the installer to install itself correctly on GPT.
[10:31] <matti> Daviey: If you do that, then I will kiss you.
[10:31] <matti> Daviey: :)
[10:32] <matti> Daviey: Oh, and fix Debian 6 for me along the way, as it has the same problems (no surprise here).
[10:32] <matti> ;]
[10:38] <matti> Meh ;)
[10:45] <Daviey> matti: Hmm, I don't have much experience with GPT TBH.. But i thought that was all resolved in Oneiric?
[10:45] <Daviey> Are you using Lucid?
[10:46] <ikonia> I've still hit a few issues with gpt on 11.10
[10:46] <ikonia> it's much much better, but not %100
[10:50] <matti> Daviey: 10.04
[10:50] <matti> Daviey: Ubuntu 10.04 and Debian 6 -- either/or ;]
[10:52] <notlistening> Hi all, I have a 3G USB modem that I want to use with 11.10. It has dual mass storage and modem capabilities. When I use it on the desktop these are both available however on server only the scsi storage is accessible can anyone make some suggestions of what i need to do to get the ttyUSB interface to register?
[10:54] <notlistening> I have manually load usbserial and option modules and installed usb_modeswitch
[10:54] <notlistening> there seems to be little to no documentation on this :|
[11:44] <notlistening> I solved the problem, you must delay the usb-storage module from loading :P
[11:49]  * koolhead11 is sleepy
[11:51] <koolhead11> smoser: aroun?
[11:51] <koolhead11> d
[12:33] <lool> zul: Hey, there's an issue with squid3/squid: the squid source package is still in Ubuntu but fails to upload because the squid3 source package provides a "squid" binary package with a higher version
[12:33] <lool> zul: In Debian, there's the squid binary package from the squid source package and the squid3 binary package from the squid3 source package, do they plan to drop squid 2 eventually?
[12:34] <lool> zul: I don't think we can upload squid 2 in Ubuntu anymore because of this, so we'd rather remove and blacklist it from Debian imports, unless we can think of a way that the sources and binaries would be mostly similar between Debian and Ubuntu
[12:46] <zul> lool: thats fine with me
[12:46] <lool> zul: Ok
[12:46] <zul> lool: since squid3 is in main
[12:58] <RodrigoJimmy> Greetings my friends! I'd like to personalize the boot and installer process of ubuntu server. Change boot menu options, set default idiom, set default partition schema, and so on. What's the best way? Changing iso contents em regererate ISO by mkisofs or genisofs? or change debian-cd and debian-installer packages to do this? Or neither?
[13:43] <caribou> quick question : is vmbuilder still actively supported ?
[13:48] <smoser> koolhead11, here now.
[13:48] <smoser> well, koolhead11 http://paste.ubuntu.com/760635/ "worked for me"
[13:48] <koolhead11> smoser: you had time to test it sir?
[13:49]  * koolhead11 checks
[13:50] <koolhead11> smoser: let me give it a try :)
[14:00] <smoser> koolhead11, i suspect it wont work for you, but if it does, then you should see what is different in the 2 paths that you had success versus failure with.
[14:00] <smoser> there may be a bug in openstack using your image due to something else
[14:00] <smoser> but your issue there is with openstack, not really resolvable in a guest.
[14:00] <koolhead11> smoser: :( hmm
[14:01] <koolhead11> it means am not able to run my modified cloud image in openstack.
[14:02] <koolhead11> let me give one more try!! :P
[14:02] <Daviey> *sigh*, LP is Read Only.
[14:03] <zul> wohoo...party party time
[14:03] <soren> It's been pretty screwed for a while.
[14:03] <soren> librarian has been giving me 503's for at least half an hour.
[14:03] <smoser> koolhead11, well, give the above a try, as it worke dfor me.
[14:03] <smoser> soren, launchpad works fine for me. you must have not been nice to it.
[14:04] <koolhead11> zul: sirr!! :P
[14:04] <soren> smoser: lies
[14:04] <Daviey> soren: I think i saw that your account was special cased for a badride()
[14:05] <soren> :(
[14:06] <zul> soren: maybe its trying to tell you something
[14:06] <soren> zul: When have I been known to listen to anything?
[14:08] <zul> soren: heh
[14:10] <pmatulis> was showing my 4yr-old son my green Openstack t-shirt, he repeated "opensnack".  good name change?
[14:10] <caribou> Re: my vmbuilder question, I'm able to reproduce this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vm-builder/+bug/531599
[14:10] <caribou> which generates FS corruption
[14:10]  * Daviey forks pmatulis open snack.. *yum*
[14:11] <pmatulis> he he
[14:11] <caribou> pmatulis: how about openbar?
[14:12] <pmatulis> caribou: :)
[14:17] <koolhead11> open beer
[14:19] <patdk-wk> is openbar covered by gpl?
[14:20] <koolhead11> zul: i need that keystone pkg to gain some confidence and get back to openstack voyage!! :D
[14:21] <zul> https://launchpad.net/~zulcss/+archive/openstack-sru-updates
[14:21] <zul> koolhead11: ^^^
[14:23] <koolhead11> zul: " oneiric main  "  /o.0\
[14:57] <mboeru> hello
[14:58] <mboeru> can anyone help me with some problems regarding kickseed partman RAID creation?
[15:01] <mboeru> so no one? :(
[15:08] <koolhead11> lynxman: around?
[15:08] <koolhead11> what was that thing 4 automatic deployment of instances on virtualbox
[15:10] <Daviey> smoser: Have you tried cobbler-devenv recently, and more so - against cobbler/
[15:10] <Daviey> ?
[15:10] <Daviey> err, against juju
[15:12] <smoser> Daviey, no. its on the list of things to do.
[15:12] <smoser> related question
[15:12] <smoser> hallyn,
[15:13] <hallyn> smoser: hold on, quick reboot, audio troubles while trying to do a call
[15:13] <smoser> we were considering juju deploy of openstack on desktop. where juju would use the local [lxc] provider. and we'd install openstack. assuming you could get that to work, then i'd think you'd want lxc as the libvirt-type for openstack.
[15:14] <smoser> sorry, had typed that and didn't want to lose it. i'll replay if you ask nicely.
[15:14] <smoser> will there be issues in openstack nova running in an lxc container providing an lxc instances ?
[15:18] <mboeru> can anyone help me with some problems regarding kickstart / preseed partman RAID creation on ubuntu 10.04.3 ?
[15:18] <hallyn> smoser: hm, there might be due to NFS in particular
[15:19] <smoser> i'm' almost insulted.
[15:19] <smoser> why would i use nfs ?
[15:19] <hallyn> well nfs was a proxy for any in-kernel network filesystem
[15:20] <smoser> oh... ok. yeah, the guests could potentially use nfs.
[15:20] <smoser> i'm not heartbroken if that is broken.
[15:20] <hallyn> should work then
[15:23] <smoser> hm...
[15:23] <smoser> i'm thinking of tother tings that might get in the way
[15:23] <smoser> the nova-compute lxc isntance is going to attempt to do routing via ip tables
[15:24] <smoser> and multiple compute nodes [containers] woudlb e wanting to use the same ports.
[15:27] <lynxman> koolhead11: hey :)
[15:27] <lynxman> koolhead11: vagrant!
[15:27] <hallyn> iptables are per container
[15:28] <hallyn> smoser: so if the nova-compute instance will always look like the 'parent' of the things it fires off it might work
[15:29] <hallyn> smoser: but you might want to use a container without its own netns
[15:30] <smoser> hallyn, the nova-compute will use libvirt to launch instances
[15:31] <hallyn> smoser: using virsh to what it calls localhost?
[15:31] <smoser> yes, probably.
[15:32] <smoser> well, not virsh
[15:32] <smoser> python-libvirt
[15:32] <hallyn> well then it might be fine - hte iptables rules it creates will affect the default libvirt network it creates, used by its lxc clients...  *should* work
[15:32] <hallyn> be cool to see
[15:32] <smoser> ok. then one other question
[15:33] <smoser> i sohlud be able to do this with kvm as the nova-launched guests also
[15:33] <smoser> right?
[15:33] <hallyn> yes, so long as you give the nova-compute container access to /dev/kvm
[15:57] <Daviey> Ursinha: Are you chairing?
[15:57] <Ursinha> again?
[15:57] <Ursinha> Daviey: I guess smoser was volunteered
[15:57] <Ursinha> :P
[15:58] <Daviey> Ursinha: i'm looking at the agenda, which has you next :)
[15:58] <smoser> did you do last week Ursinha ?
[15:58] <Ursinha> smoser: yes
[15:58] <smoser> if you did, then i will reluctantly do this.
[15:58] <smoser> suck
[15:58] <Ursinha> lol
[15:58] <Ursinha> I can chair again
[15:59] <SpamapS> Ursinha: if you forget to update the list, you have to chair again. ;)
[15:59] <hallyn> i think this is called hazing
[15:59] <SpamapS> smoser: the agenda is empty, so.. should go quickly. :)
[16:00] <smoser> k.
[16:00] <smoser> here we go
[16:00] <smoser> #start-meeting Ubuntu Server Team Meeting
[16:00] <smoser> #startmeeting Ubuntu Server Team Meeting
[16:00] <smoser> ugh.
[16:00] <lynxman> smoser: wrong channel
[16:00] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[16:01] <lynxman> smoser: points smoser to #ubuntu-meeting
[16:01] <Ursinha> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/761745/
[16:15] <marshall> hey ubuntu-server
[16:22] <marshall> I notice that byobu is installed on oneiric server by default. it looks sort of useful, but it seems to mess things up when I do `clear` or cmd+k (clear shortcut). Has anybody else had this issue?
[16:22] <kpettit> is there a simple DNS server that is somehting like a etc/hosts file.  Trying to do local home network dns and don't really want to mess with BIND for something simple like that
[16:26] <smoser> kirkland, ^ see marshall
[16:28] <kirkland> marshall: what kind of things mess up when you do clear?
[16:28] <kirkland> marshall: i do "clear" all the time
[16:29] <broder> hey guys - i can't stick around atm, but if anyone here is affiliated with openstack, could you see if your keystone packaging should have a vcs-bzr tag on it or something? i saw lp:~gandelman-a/ubuntu/precise/keystone/900553 in the sponsorship queue, and it seemed like maybe it should be going against lp:~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/keystone/ubuntu or something
[16:30] <smoser> adam_g, zul ^
[16:30] <smoser> broder is probably correct
[16:31] <zul> broder: will have a look
[16:31] <marshall> kirkland: sometimes it puts the cursor somewhere weird on the screen, and the top line of byobu sometimes disappears. I dunno, it's kind of flickery after a `clear`.
[16:35] <adam_g> zul: what is the workflow for packaging updates? update the ~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/$foo branch first, then propose a merge into ubuntu from there, or the other way? it seems like its different for each subproject
[16:36] <zul> adam_g: propose against ~ubuntu-server-dev/<project>/essex and then propose against ~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/<project>/ubuntu
[16:37] <adam_g> zul: i thought ~ubuntu-server-dev was stable/oneiric/backport branch?
[16:37] <SpamapS> Fixes have to hit precise before they'll be allowed into oneiric
[16:37] <zul> nope its for essex as well, ill write something up
[16:37] <SpamapS> So it akes sense that you'd do essex first
[16:38] <adam_g> zul: i dont follow
[16:38] <zul> adam_g: for oneirc/stable diablo there is packaging branches called lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/<project>/diablo
[16:39] <zul> for precise its lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/<project>/essex
[16:40] <zul> or am i on crack
[16:40] <adam_g> zul: ok
[16:41] <zul> adam_g: ill sync up the branches today
[16:41] <adam_g> cool
[16:42] <rbasak> Daviey: OK, SRU for cobbler csrf?
[16:43] <Daviey> rbasak: Yes, so it's exactly the same, except - the pocket is oneiric-security
[16:44] <Daviey> And only the ~ubuntu-security team can sponsor it.
[16:44] <Daviey> They also prefer a richer changelog message, one moment
[16:44] <rbasak> Daviey: and I'll focus only on this one vulnerability? There were a few others too IIRC, but not sure if I can bundle multiple fixes into one SRU?
[16:45] <rbasak> (or if the others are even justified to be SRU'd)
[16:45] <Daviey> rbasak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation
[16:45] <Daviey> rbasak: probably best to speak to the security team, but depending on confidence, you can double up
[16:46] <rbasak> OK, thanks
[16:50] <koolhead11> zul: keystone failed to install, let me pastebin
[16:52] <koolhead11> zul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/761806/
[16:53] <Ursinha> Daviey: hello :)
[16:53] <zul> koolhead11: cool thanks ill take a look
[16:53] <allowoverride> koolhead11: looks like you need to execute as sudo
[16:53] <Daviey> hey Ursinha
[16:53] <allowoverride> perms denied on /keystone.log
[16:54] <Ursinha> Daviey: I'd like to have your feedback about this diagram: http://ubuntuone.com/5OxEIhPUuxdAfVS5N4YO44
[16:54] <koolhead11> allowoverride: i am using with sudo :D
[16:54] <Daviey> looking
[16:54] <Ursinha> Daviey: can you tell me if I'm missing something that server team would be doing?
[16:54] <Ursinha> thanks :)
[16:55]  * koolhead11 leaves 4 home. laters
[16:55] <Daviey> ttfn koolhead11
[16:56] <Daviey> Ursinha: what is this based on, and who follows it so far?
[16:56] <Daviey> (who authored it?)
[16:56] <Ursinha> Daviey: I did
[16:57] <Ursinha> Daviey: this is what I could infer by how launchpad behaves today plus the triage guide
[16:57] <Ursinha> server triage guide
[16:57] <Daviey> Ursinha: right, but where is the bot? :)
[16:57] <Ursinha> Daviey: the one that marks bugs as confirmed?
[16:57] <Ursinha> when a bug has a duplicate launchpad marks the bugtask as confirmed
[16:57] <Ursinha> afaik
[16:57] <Daviey> ahh
[16:58] <Daviey> Sorry, i thought it was something more exciting :)
[16:58] <Ursinha> I'll clarify that :)
[16:58] <Ursinha> lol
[16:58] <Ursinha> sorry
[16:58] <Daviey> Ursinha: I think it is pretty complete, but also idealistic :)
[16:59] <Ursinha> so, let me know how it works today or what would be a less idealistic approach, please :)
[16:59] <Ursinha> Daviey: I have the .dia file, want it?
[17:00] <Daviey> Ursinha: I wish i had a plotter, so i could print it out and put it on my bedroom wall :)
[17:00] <Daviey> Ursinha: I think you have it covered, but let me think about it?
[17:01] <Ursinha> Daviey: I drew it in an A3 sheet :) than converted to dia :P
[17:01] <Ursinha> Daviey: yes, can I ping you later about that?
[17:02] <Daviey> cool
[17:25] <hsmod> anyone know how i can load megaraid_sas driver when i pxe boot a livecd?
[17:25] <hsmod> (on either natty or maverick)
[17:26] <jandrusk> For Juju you need to have an Amazon EC2 account and storage setup, right?
[17:39] <jandrusk> Nevermind. Already found it on CharmSchool.
[18:09] <hsmod> anyone know how i can load megaraid_sas driver when i pxe boot a livecd?
[18:20] <hallyn> jjohansen: should 'rw' apparmor rights to a file that is a unix socket suffice for bind?
[18:20] <jjohansen> hallyn: yes
[18:20] <hallyn> jjohansen: thanks. (then i'm flummoxed :)
[18:21] <jjohansen> hallyn: what is happening?
[18:21] <mboeru> can anyone help me with a preseed problem, I'm trying to provision a server with 2 500G hdds and software RAID, but can't figure it out
[18:21] <hallyn> i'm testing tunnelled migration - my patch works in lucid and precise, but in maverick i'm getting:
[18:21] <hallyn> ind(unix:/var/run/libvirt/qemu/qemu.tunnelmigrate.dest.cdboot): Permission denied
[18:22] <jjohansen> hallyn: hrmm, are there any log messages?
[18:22] <hallyn> "/var/run/libvirt/**/*.tunnelmigrate.dest.cdboot" rw is in the *.files
[18:22] <hallyn> jjohansen: that msg is in the libvirt log
[18:23] <jjohansen> hallyn: anything in dmesg?
[18:23] <hallyn> nope
[18:23] <hallyn> flummoxed
[18:24] <jjohansen> hrmm
[18:24] <hallyn> this is going to be the slowest sru i've ever had.  2 days so far, not halfway done
[18:25] <jjohansen> hallyn: stick audit in front of the apparmor rule.
[18:25] <jjohansen>   audit /var/run/libvirt/**/*.tunnelmigrate.dest.cdboot" rw
[18:25] <jjohansen> apparmor will log every time it sees a file matching that, whether its allowing it or not
[18:26] <jjohansen> that should help narrow down whether apparmor thinks its seeing it
[18:29] <hallyn> jjohansen: ok - that rule gets generated on each migration on the fly, so i need to rebuild  real quick
[18:30] <jjohansen> hallyn: if you know where the profile file is, you can edit it by hand and reload it with
[18:30] <jjohansen>   sudo apparmor_parser -r <file>
[18:33] <hallyn> jjohansen: i can't bc it gets recreated when i retry migration
[18:35] <hallyn> jjohansen: hm, still nothing in dmesg!  maybe the libvirt apparmor security driver code is screwy
[18:37] <jjohansen> hallyn: maybe, jdstrand would have a better handle on that part than me
[18:38] <jdstrand> hallyn: for testing, you can edit /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/libvirt-<uuid>
[18:39] <hallyn> jdstrand: but that gets overwritten when i do virsh migrate again
[18:39] <jdstrand> hallyn: it is created on first run of the vm, but is persitent thereafter (it is the .files file that is updated every time)
[18:39] <jdstrand> hmm
[18:40] <jdstrand> migrate-- I guess that makes sense cause it is supposed to be a 'new' vm
[18:40] <hallyn> and yeah, the .xml doesn't actually stick around (nothing in virsh list --all) so i can't restart it even if i thought htat would still try to access that pipe
[18:41] <jdstrand> hallyn: you can also disable the apparmor driver in /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf by setting 'security_driver = "none"' and restarting libvirt
[18:41] <hallyn> I don't know, I"m at a loss.  maybe i messed up something else
[18:42] <hallyn> still get that failure!
[18:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: you can also edit /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/libvirt-qemu on the host getting denials. that applies to all vms
[18:45] <jdstrand> hallyn: if you want to make sure you have disabled the apparmor driver, examine the output of 'virsh capabilities' and/or 'virsh dominfo <vm>'
[18:45] <hallyn> what should virsh capabilities tell me?
[18:45] <hallyn> (/proc/`pidof libvirtd`/attr/current still says enforcing)
[18:46] <jdstrand> in the <host> section if a security driver is enabled, you should see:
[18:46] <jdstrand>     <secmodel>
[18:46] <jdstrand>       <model>apparmor</model>
[18:46] <jdstrand>       <doi>0</doi>
[18:46] <jdstrand>     </secmodel>
[18:46] <jdstrand> hallyn: that is because the you didn't unload the profile for libvirtd
[18:47] <jdstrand> hallyn: but you don't need to
[18:47] <jdstrand> (unless there is a bug, which there was one at one time)
[18:47] <zul> hallyn: have you seen this? "libvirtError: internal error cannot create rule since ebtables tool is missing."
[18:47] <hallyn> jdstrand: ah, i see. yeah, it's turned off now.  and i still get that denial
[18:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: wait, what? you get an apparmor denial with the driver disabled?
[18:48] <hallyn> zul: i haven't.  on precise?
[18:48] <hallyn> jdstrand: yyyyyp
[18:48] <zul> hallyn: yep
[18:48] <hallyn> put a u in there
[18:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: well, is the machine still running? libvirt won't unconfine a vm
[18:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: it just won't start a vm confined
[18:49] <hallyn> zul: ebtables should be moved from recommends to depends?
[18:49] <hallyn> jdstrand: the vm is running on host1.  host2 is where i try to migrate it to, and it has unconvined libvirt now
[18:50] <zul> hallyn: it seems other people are having the same issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/684088
[18:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: on host1, what is the output of 'aa-status'?
[18:50] <hallyn> zul: patch welcome for that :)
[18:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: err, host2
[18:50] <zul> hallyn: yeah yeah :)
[18:51] <hallyn> jdstrand: it shows libvirtd profile and process in enforce mode
[18:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: can you paste the output?
[18:51] <hallyn> zul: you agree ebtables should be depends?
[18:52] <zul> hallyn: yeah but i already have ebtables installed
[18:52] <hallyn> jdstrand: http://pastebin.com/K5MuHYvK
[18:53] <hallyn> zul: restart libvirt-bin :)  making it depends will prevent it in the future.  i'm not writing a patch to do check-at-use!
[18:53] <jdstrand> hallyn: can you paste the output of virsh capabilities n host2?
[18:53] <hallyn> http://pastebin.com/baf2mkzM
[18:54] <jdstrand> that pastebin is annoying with its captchas :P
[18:54] <jdstrand> hmm
[18:54] <hallyn> jdstrand: as i said to jjohansen, this works fine on lucid and precise, it's only failing on maverick.
[18:54] <hallyn> making me wonderer whether my setup is bad
[18:54] <jdstrand> hallyn: can you try to do a migrate after doing this on host2: sudo apaprmor_parser -R /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.libvirtd
[18:54] <hallyn> (that or it's a temp regression in the code)
[18:54] <zul> hallyn: restarted it and still get the same problem
[18:55] <jdstrand> hallyn: I typoed that command
[18:55] <hallyn> zul: that's a problem
[18:55] <zul> hallyn: yeah lemme try something first
[18:58] <hallyn> jdstrand: i think it's an nfs issue, actually.  i think the log msg is bogus, and it's actually dying trying to chown the disk img
[18:58] <hallyn> cause
[18:58] <hallyn> -rw-r--r-- 1<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER> 2011-12-06 17:58 cdboot.img
[18:58] <hallyn> doesn't look right
[18:58] <jdstrand> huh
[18:58] <jdstrand> libvirt's error reporting sometimes stinks
[18:59] <jdstrand> hallyn: this is the type of thing I was talking about when I recommended VIRT_WARN last week
[18:59] <hallyn> i put VIRT_WARN in that patch.  that patch isn't in mav
[18:59] <jdstrand> hallyn: no, I know that
[18:59] <hallyn> ok :)
[19:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: I am saying this is precisely the *type* of thing that happens
[19:00] <hallyn> sigh, yeah.
[19:00] <hallyn> so i wonder if this is a bug in maverick's nfs
[19:01] <hallyn> uid/gid isn't *supposed* to come through as -1 is it?
[19:02] <hallyn> trying a rebuild with VIR_WARN at that line
[19:03] <hallyn> i shouldve said only lucid sru for this...  who is gonna do this on maverick?
[19:04] <Shaboom> try mozilla firefox on linux, preferably linux , and linux ubuntu if possible for best results: http://baby.cn.yahoo.com/pic/
[19:12]  * patdk-wk is scared
[19:13] <hallyn> zul: is that a pretty safe normal assumption?  that i can do a fix only for lucid and oneiric, bc noone will move from lucid to maverick or natty for servers right now?
[19:13] <patdk-wk> no sane person :)
[19:13] <zul> hallyn: i think so
[19:14] <hallyn> phew
[19:14] <zul> i think most people would be waiting for the next LTS
[19:14]  * patdk-wk is waiting for 12.04.2
[19:14] <patdk-wk> normally by then I have had enough time to test and start moving :)
[19:15] <zul> hallyn: with the libvirt ebtables im horribly out of date...ill try it again after the update is finish
[19:16] <hallyn> ok
[19:19] <SpamapS> koolhead17: whenever you are ready we can chat about bug 875262
[19:20] <koolhead17> SpamapS: in 20 mins :)
[19:27] <incorrect> are there other authentication systems i can use with windows that don't involve me setting up samba?
[19:40] <SpamapS> incorrect: at one time, I know stock kerberos 5 + ldap worked .. but not very well.. with windows XP and 2000
[19:42] <incorrect> or an easy way to get samba doing domain log ins
[19:47] <zul> hallyn: false alarm
[19:47] <hallyn> phew
[19:49] <zul> sorry to work up your blood pressure
[20:10] <adam_g> zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/precise/keystone/lp900553/+merge/84663
[20:11] <adam_g> zul: should i also send proposals with the changes that were merged directly into the nova and glance ubuntu packages this week, or do you want to do that?
[20:11] <zul> adam_g: no ill take care of it
[20:11] <adam_g> k
[20:20]  * lukstr waves
[20:20] <lukstr> I have a fun kerberos question
[20:21] <lukstr> after running sudo auth-client-config -a -p kerberos_example I can't log in at all. In a guest session I can get tickets just fine but anything PAM seems extremely unhappy
[20:32] <zul> hallyn: nope was still able to reproduce it
[20:34] <lukstr> is there any _proper_ way to setup kerberos with PAM for 11.10?
[20:43] <hallyn> jdstrand: hm, i don't think i'll try maverick again, but on oneiric i observe that 'mount -o nfsvers=3' works better (than using v4, the default).  now i can chown, as can libvirtd
[20:44] <jdstrand> interesting. so it is the DAC driver
[20:44] <jdstrand> they are always fiddling with nfs for the selinux bits
[20:44] <hallyn> pain
[20:44] <hallyn> worked fine under precise though with v4
[20:46] <jdstrand> weird
[20:47] <hallyn> zul: can you open a bug or post pastebin with reproduction instructions?
[20:47] <jdstrand> yeah, I wouldn't worry about maverick-- it is eol in 4 months
[20:47] <jdstrand> natty is... *shrug*. seems too late for it too
[20:47] <hallyn> lukstr: not something i've worked with, sorry.
[20:48] <hallyn> jdstrand: i just might weep for joy
[20:48] <jdstrand> heh
[20:48] <hallyn> finally done with that
[20:48] <hallyn> now just a little qemu one to do :)
[20:48] <jdstrand> :)
[20:49] <hallyn> ooh!  qemu-kvm-1.0 has been tagged
[20:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: iirc, they fiddled a bit with usb2 for that. that would be awesome, but I don't know how far along it is
[20:51] <hallyn> they already had with the 0.15 in precise, and i think that's to blame for the uhcd/ehci not being there
[20:51] <hallyn> haven't gone and asked on #qemu yet though
[20:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: interesting-- I didn't know it was fully working
[20:51] <hallyn> oh i dont' knwo that it is
[20:59] <zul> hallyn: i just added more info to the bug that was open
[21:04] <hallyn> zul: sounds like openstack should depend on ebtables :)
[21:05] <zul> hallyn: right but i have ebtables installed thats the point
[21:06] <hallyn> zul: unless you're saying you've stopped and started libvirt-bin, that bug is unlikely to get addressed (upstream bug is being ignored).  Why not avoid it altogether?
[21:06] <zul> erm..
[21:07] <hallyn> eh, maybe i'm wrong, and it has been addressed upstream
[21:11] <hallyn> zul: you know i'm not trying to be difficult :)
[21:11] <zul> hallyn: sure i heard that one before
[21:11] <zul> :)
[21:16] <hallyn> while : ; do euca-describe-instances  | awk '{ print $2 }' | grep "^i-" | xargs euca-terminate-instances; done isn't getting me very far
[21:33] <Faint> Hi, I know this is #ubuntu-server, but nothing I say is sent in #httpd, so I am asking here because I am running Ubuntu Server 11. Any help would be appreciated. I am having a problem where when I start Apache, it stays up for a minute then turns off. I have the only two lines it gives me in apache's error.log right here:
[21:34] <Faint> http://pastebin.com/vX201fQ6
[21:34] <Daviey> hallyn: http://pb.daviey.com/euca/ is smoser's
[21:36] <hallyn> Daviey: that hurts the eyes :)
[21:37] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/762099/ is my current
[21:40] <Cant_Winn> Hello everyone
[21:40] <Faint> So does anyone know what the problem is with my Apache? I have searched all over only to find answers that don't work
[21:41] <Cant_Winn> I have a small question; Has any one here ever setup, or tried setting up iFolder on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server?
[21:41] <Daviey> hallyn: more than, http://pb.daviey.com/KfaI/
[21:41] <Daviey> ?
[21:41] <hallyn> Daviey: i find that easier to read
[21:42] <Daviey> golly, it's crap :)
[21:44] <RoyK> Faint: I'd try starting the apache process in the foreground
[21:45] <RoyK> fahadsadah: is this 11.10 or 11.04?
[21:45] <fahadsadah> RoyK: It's 9.45 here
[21:45] <RoyK> fahadsadah: sorry, that was meant for faint, who just left :P
[21:45] <fahadsadah> Don't worry, I'm just screwing with you :p
[21:46] <Cant_Winn> Anyone attempted iFolder before?
[22:04] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: What do you think about, NUT integration in Cobbler (replace fence-agents) ?
[22:06] <soren> smoser: Does cloud-init get ged anything when provisioning new machines with orchestra?
[22:06] <soren> smoser: *get fed
[22:06] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: didn't I send you the response to you?
[22:06] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i think it should not be a replacement, but rather a support
[22:07] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: give me a sec to explain to you the idea that I discussed with arnaud about it
[22:07] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: If you are on the case, great :)
[22:07] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: But i thought the WI listed as 'replace' would interest you
[22:09] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: basically, I told Arnaud that I don't think we should replace but rather, make NUT as an option. i.e. Right now the cobbler server needs access to any power device in order to be able to manage them. If cobbler does not have direct access (like in our lab), but if we do have it to a NUT server, then it would be cool if cobbler can just tell the NUT server "power on outlet for machine XYZ, that I don't have direct access to"
[22:09] <RoAkSoAx> but the NUT server does
[22:10] <smoser> soren, yes.
[22:10] <smoser> but not much of importance other than in juju i think
[22:10] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, would konw also
[22:11] <ellipsis_> Hey, I've got a really low spec computer I was thinking of turning into a server. However it has no harddrive. Can I boot ubuntu server edition from a usb stick and will it lag/use up all the ram? (all I need to do is host a little php, but I can't seem to find any good free hosts)
[22:18] <smoser> ellipsis_, you can probably manage to do that, yes.
[22:18] <smoser> it will jsut have slow IO from the usb disk.
[22:26] <adam_g> Daviey: just filed #900977, will sort out in a few
[22:30] <soren> smoser: How does it work?
[22:36] <RoAkSoAx> soren: basically, juju passes a ks_arg to cobbler with the user-data for cloud init in base64. Then, we have a python function that is imported by cheetah via the kickstart templating feature that recieves that BASE64 User Data from the cobbler ks_arg/variable, and creates a late_command that decodes the base64 and execute the code creating the user-data file
[22:40] <ellipsis_> smoser, Thanks, but I mean my server has like 500mb of ram. Can I fit the OS into ram without it constantly needing to use swap?
[22:58] <soren> RoAkSoAx: Ok, so the user-data equivalent is passed embedded in the preseed file?
[22:59] <RoAkSoAx> soren: yes
[22:59] <soren> RoAkSoAx: Lovely, thanks.
[23:05] <allowoverride> whats the command to list ops in irc room?
[23:05] <allowoverride> thanks


[10:34] <DarkApex> when i start ubuntu one i get this error
[10:34] <DarkApex> File Sync error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "current_status" with signature "" on interface "com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Status" doesn't exist
[10:35] <DarkApex> )i am using 11.10 32-bit
[10:35] <DarkApex> files are unable to sync
[10:35] <DarkApex> please help


[12:41] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4103 /kubuntu/basic-concepts/ (6 files in 6 dirs): fixed validation issues - translations
[12:52] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4104 /kubuntu/games/es/: severly broken - need to redownload es translations for games
[01:04] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4105 /kubuntu/ (12 files in 12 dirs): seems everything validates now translation wise
[01:13] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4106 /kubuntu/games/po/es.po: new Spanish po to try and recreate corrected docs
[01:20] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4107 /kubuntu/games/es/ (. games.xml): Spanish games are still broken, validated by removing a majority of the KDE Strategy Games Section
[01:21] <nixternal> mdke_: ^^^^^  Spanish translations for Kubuntu Games section is mangled badly
[01:21] <nixternal> the entire KDE Games Startegy Section is hosed
[01:27] <nixternal> WOOT!
[01:28] <nixternal> All docs validate, need Spanish games fixed and need to find out why sl.po was rejected by Rosetta
[01:29] <nixternal> damn, Slovenian translations for keeping-safe are being rejected by Rosetta
[01:29] <nixternal> if I don't hear anything within the next 4 hours, prepare for bug reports, as the package will be done tonight and shipped
[05:35] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4108 /kubuntu/games/es/games.xml: manually added missing\/broken strings for Spanish translations - good to go
[08:13] <mdke_> nixternal: if you give me the error you are seeing for the spanish thing I might be able to help I suppose
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #106149 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Kubuntu-docs: Faulty string (#17) in office" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106149
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #106152 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Kubuntu-docs: Faulty string (#54) in printing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106152
[02:22] <Admiral_Chicago> is bug #106149 fix commited? latest SVN update seem to tell me so
[02:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 106149 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu-docs: Faulty string (#17) in office" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106149
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> perhaps someone can also look at bug #106152
[02:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 106152 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu-docs: Faulty string (#54) in printing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106152
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> I added a patch for it
[02:44] <nixternal> mdke_: I fixed the spanish issue by manually copying over the strings from the .po to the .xml. There was no error at all, it just made a nasty xml section
[02:44] <nixternal> the only issue now is Slovenian translations
[02:48] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: with Kubuntu docs, if they aren't fix committed, then it means I didn't fix it yet
[02:55] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r4109 kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: closes 106152
[04:56] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i didn't see a problem in the docs though
[04:59] <nixternal> the OO.o issue was a duplicate bug from last month that was already fixed
[04:59] <nixternal> the other one, the scanner one was bogus
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> ah okay that's probably why
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> bogus how
[04:59] <nixternal> it said printer instead of scanner
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> oh yea, that was one of those 2 second fixes
[05:00] <nixternal> argh, I need one translation file damnit, the Slovenian translation for keeping-safe and Rosetta will not give it me
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> took me longer to attach it than to make it
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i saw that in our channel
[10:22] <CIA-7> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4110 /kubuntu/ (19 files in 19 dirs): lang files is similar to libs/shipped-docs - it contains all of the translations for that directory - used in the Makefile which has been updated as well
[10:29] <CIA-7> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4111 /kubuntu/Makefile: Makefile cleaning
[10:30] <CIA-7> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r4112 kubuntu/Makefile: Makefile cleaning


[02:22] <rostam> On my system I have two distinct disk, is it possible I install the grub on one disk and ubuntu on other disk?
[16:06] <pmatulis_> using preseed, what is the recommended way to target a device?  for instance, i have a raid array that for a few installs shows up as /dev/sdy (after all other drives, prolly b/c it's hardware raid) but i'm not comfortable in hard-coding that.  i would always want the OS installed on this array however
[16:07] <xnox> pmatulis_: preseed a partman early script, that figures out / check for correct name of the device you want. And then preseeds the right one.
[16:08] <pmatulis_> xnox: alright thanks
[16:08] <xnox> pmatulis_: see, e.g. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs05.html.en
[16:09] <xnox> pmatulis_: second example (it does pick first device logic)