[12:52] <tseng> muine uploaded!
[01:05] <Unfrgiven> morning all
[01:06] <tseng> hi
[01:45] <binbrain> I'm setup with Breezy on pbuilder, it finishes DLing everything and then it starts spitting out libstd++5.3.3-dev leaving unconfigured
[01:46] <seth_k> did you set up a Hoary chroot and then update to Breezy like I mentioned?
[01:46] <seth_k> apparently that's what you're supposed to do
[01:46] <binbrain> nono
[01:46] <binbrain> i just tried from scratch
[01:46] <seth_k> hmm
[01:46] <binbrain> set up pbuilder to breezy and then pbuilder create
[01:47] <seth_k> yeah
[01:47] <binbrain> so I should do hoary 1st and then move to breezy
[01:47] <seth_k> I would try it the other way, hoary then update
[01:47] <seth_k> yep
[01:47] <binbrain> aight
[01:47] <binbrain> thanks
[01:47] <seth_k> did you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:47] <binbrain> yeah
[01:47] <seth_k> ok
[01:47] <seth_k> it shows how to update from a Hoary to a Breezy chroot
[01:48] <binbrain> the bottom part shows the update
[01:48] <seth_k> yep
[01:48] <binbrain> but it didn't mention that you couldn't start from fresh with breezy
[01:48] <seth_k> I know, I did the same thing you did
[01:48] <seth_k> until I got told that you were supposed to go Hoary -> Breezy
[01:48] <binbrain> and it didn't work
[01:48] <binbrain> ok
[01:48] <binbrain> ok
[02:34] <diamond> nite folks
[02:46] <tseng> any muine fans about?
[02:46] <ivoks> :)
[02:47] <tseng> install muine-plugin-trayicon and muine-plugin-inotify
[02:47] <tseng> great stuff
[02:48] <ivoks> i'm in windows now :(
[02:49] <tseng> wth
[02:50] <ivoks> i need autocad to do some project for faculty
[02:51] <ivoks> and that one runs only on windows :(
[04:12] <\sh> morning
[04:19] <whiprush> tseng: they still haven't shown up for me. I'll try them as soon as they hit my mirror
[04:23] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey dude
[04:33] <HostingGeek> \sh: not working at m$ yet :devil:
[04:49] <eruin> anyone packaging istanbul in here?
[04:49] <HostingGeek> No way
[04:50] <HostingGeek> what crazy person is going to package a island
[04:50] <\sh> HostingGeek: what?
[04:50] <\sh> hey Unfrgiven
[04:50] <eruin> if you're gonna be like that; it's a city ;o
[04:50] <eruin> http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul
[04:51] <HostingGeek> what crazy person is going to package a city
[04:51] <Unfrgiven> \sh: thanks for the libflash stuff
[04:52] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u r welcome :)
[04:54] <ivoks> \sh: it's 5AM :)
[04:55] <\sh> yes...and it was a hard day yesterday, so i was sleeping since 8pm and since 3am I just woke up...
[04:55] <\sh> ivoks: I'm an old man ;)
[04:55] <Unfrgiven> three smilies in a row... we really are a happy bunch here arent we ;)
[04:57] <ivoks> \sh: i'm up since 2:30 :)
[04:57] <\sh> ivoks: why that?
[04:58] <ivoks> i needed to finish some drawings :)
[04:58] <Unfrgiven> \sh: did you get my messages?
[04:58] <\sh> via IM?
[04:58] <Unfrgiven> \sh: irc /msg
[05:00] <seth_k> eruin: dholbach has packaged it
[05:01] <seth_k> eruin, just today actually. you want a link?
[05:09] <\sh> hmmm....patching source in the early morning is not a good way to start the day...:(
[05:10] <seth_k> aw, what are you patching?
[05:12] <\sh> snmpkit
[05:18] <\sh> fixed and uploaded ;)
[05:20] <seth_k> woo
[05:25] <ivoks> bye all
[05:25] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: cya
[05:31] <\sh> ok snacc is also patched and uploaded
[05:38] <schweeb> whats up all
[05:40] <\sh> it's early in the morning
[05:45] <\sh> hmmm..it looks like that i can resolve my last outstanding packages
[05:46] <\sh> libtool: install: error: cannot install `libcppsctpsocket.la' to a directory not ending in /tmp/buildd/socketapi-1.3.2/static/lib
[05:47] <\sh> as i said, it's early in the morning..even libtool is sleeping ;)
[05:57] <mbeattie> This is a dumb question but to get a package into universe do you need to know that it will work on x86, x86-64 and ppc?
[05:57] <mbeattie> and what if it doesnt work on one of those archs?
[06:05] <seth_k> no, you don't need to have all archs
[06:05] <seth_k> I just submitted a package that is x86-only, because it's about 3/4 386 assembly
[06:07] <\sh> let's say: it depends
[06:07] <Lathiat> seth_k: ooc, whats that?:)
[06:07] <\sh> socketapi patched, fixed and uploaded
[06:08] <seth_k> Lathiat, ?
[06:08] <Lathiat> seth_k: what package
[06:08] <seth_k> oh
[06:08] <seth_k> new upstream version of zSNES
[06:08] <seth_k> yay for bypassing debian
[06:10] <seth_k> Lathiat, breezy had 1.3.6 and debian had 1.4.0, i went upstream and yoinked 1.4.2. Had to patch it some to make it build
[06:10] <Lathiat> ah zsnes
[06:30] <\sh> and having a shower :)
[06:31] <Lathiat> \sh: and typing on your computer?
[06:31] <jsgotangco> (at least its not Xanadu)
[06:31] <Lathiat> and then they told apple to piss off? :)
[06:31] <Lathiat> wrong channel
[06:43] <\sh> and every single time when I'm listening to this song, I singing "Die Wanne ist Voll" (The Bathtub is Full), it was a comedy song of Dieter Hallervorden and Helga Veddersen (late 70th early 80th) to this melody
[06:51] <\sh> going to office...cu later dudes
[08:06] <\sh> re
[09:01] <danieln> hi all
[09:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:12] <\sh> hehe..this si funny...usb2 hd on my laptop, started samba, copying from another laptop with windows os over netbios shares to this hd...and everything is working
[09:57] <danieln> morning
[09:57] <\sh> hey danieln
[09:58] <danieln> \sh: hi :)
[09:58] <\sh> danieln: could u please fill in the gaps of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11403
[09:59] <\sh> danieln: if u have some problems with those packages, bug me on IM :)
[10:00] <danieln> \sh: well i'm not at work, i'm in school (berufsschule)... so, i'll check that later
[10:00] <\sh> danieln: k :)
[10:01] <danieln> mhmh
[10:01] <danieln> was herve around yesterday?
[10:26] <\sh> grmpf
[10:26] <\sh> i don't get it
[10:26] <\sh> doko: ping
[10:52] <doko> \sh: pong
[11:13] <danieln> have to go
[11:13] <danieln> cya all
[11:34] <\sh> doko: running into problems with gettextize and ac* and autoconf stuff
[11:46] <\sh> grmf
[11:46] <\sh> new upstream package
[11:58] <\sh> now...new version of sdcv
[12:42] <lesliev> Hi ppl
[12:43] <lesliev> If I want to add a file to a package and then rubuild it with debuild, I get "unrepresentable changes to source"
[12:43] <lesliev> How do I get around that
[12:43] <\sh> lesliev: only in the upstream package
[12:44] <\sh> u have to put it in the orig.tar.gz or as patch in debian/patches
[12:44] <ogra> you need to build a new source package first.... if you just change the contents of the tgz that wont work
[12:58] <\sh> brb...upgrade to breezy
[01:22] <doko> \sh: please could you update the djvulibre patch in bugzilla as well?
[01:46] <\sh> ok...updated to breezy...what was the fix to get rid of this "no fixed font installed" issue to start X again?
[03:00] <\sh> ok..breezy update from hoary worked quite good
[03:50] <DanielN> uehh
[03:50] <DanielN>  [ lesliev      ]  [ spacey      ]  [ zul         ]
[03:50] <DanielN> 15:45 [ Firetech   ]  [ mbeattie     ]  [ stazz       ]  [ |QuaD-      ]
[03:50] <tseng> hello to you too
[03:50] <DanielN> oups
[03:50] <DanielN> hi tseng
[03:52] <\sh> DanielN: i've updated some of your packages...please have a look into the debdiffs (already in bugzilla) so u know what's important for transition :)
[03:53] <DanielN> \sh: thanks .. such a reference is helpful for me!
[03:56] <DanielN> mutt
[03:56] <DanielN> lol
[03:56] <DanielN> :)
[03:57] <\sh> ok...going home..cu later dudes
[03:58] <DanielN> 15 mins left here..
[03:58] <DanielN> boring subject atm :/
[04:08] <DanielN> yeeha
[04:08] <DanielN> finished school
[04:08] <DanielN> cya later :)
[04:27] <Riddell> should debian/README.Debian be changed to debian/README.Ubuntu ?
[04:31] <ivoks> no
[04:32] <siretart> Riddell: only in addition to README.Debian, to document your ubuntu specific changes.
[04:32] <siretart> hi folks
[04:33] <Riddell> siretart: it's a new package
[04:33] <ivoks> they should only conatin README.Debian, IMHO
[04:34] <ivoks> you don't need two changes files
[04:35] <Riddell> I ment instead of README.Debian
[04:36] <ivoks> my personal opinion is that we should differe as little is posibble from debian
[04:37] <ivoks> we don't have big team as Debian has and we should stop importing new packages in ubuntu, IMHO
[04:37] <siretart> Riddell: no. we respect the debian packaging policy
[04:38] <ivoks> but, meeting is 20.06. so I guess we will talk about that
[04:38] <Riddell> ivoks: what's this meeting?
[04:38] <ivoks> MOTU meeting
[04:38] <Riddell> you want to discuss stopping important new packages?
[04:38] <Riddell> s/important/importing/
[04:39] <tseng> we want to discuss not having a large delta with debian
[04:39] <tseng> the solution is to be determined
[04:39] <ivoks> not stoping, but doing it in different way
[04:39] <ivoks> tseng: right
[04:40] <ivoks> tseng: does MOTU provides securoty updates for universe packages in hoary?
[04:40] <tseng> there is a universe security team
[04:41] <ivoks> ok
[04:41] <ivoks> maybe we could use debian's somehow?
[04:42] <Nafallo> ivoks: we do. we take their patches ;-)
[04:42] <ivoks> Nafallo: :)
[04:42] <ivoks> i tought in other way...
[04:42] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:42] <ivoks> security updates rearly change configurations
[04:42] <ivoks> they only change binarys
[04:43] <ivoks> so, there is no point in having two security repositorys for same thing
[04:43] <ivoks> IMHO, IHMO!!! :))
[04:43] <ivoks> well, i'm not planing to fight anymore for my upload rights, i will just help MOTU as much as I can this way
[04:44] <ivoks> so, I'll be very loud on meeting, even if I'm not old member and neither full MOTU member :)
[04:49] <\sh> re
[04:57] <ivoks> hi \sh
[04:58] <\sh> hey ivoks
[05:01] <ivoks> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[05:02] <\sh> ivoks: i did the upgrade to breezy earlier on :)
[05:02] <ivoks> and? any problems?
[05:02] <\sh> not really...X and fonts, and kde had some pitfalls...but nothing what noone could resolve
[05:02] <ivoks> so, you don't have hoary anymore?
[05:03] <\sh> right
[05:03] <ivoks> hm...
[05:04] <ivoks> well, we should start using breezy
[05:04] <ivoks> to check problems in day-to-day work
[05:05] <\sh> that was my reason
[05:05] <ivoks> i'll do it to :)
[05:05] <ivoks> i allready did it
[05:05] <ivoks> then got back to hoary :)
[05:05] <ivoks> brb
[05:08] <ivoks> ok, KDE
[05:09] <ivoks> urgh.... uglly :(
[05:13] <\sh> what?
[05:13] <ivoks> kde
[05:13] <ivoks> i don't like kde
[05:13] <ivoks> to... plastic :)
[05:18] <siretart> hm. the problem is, I need my notebook urgently..
[05:18] <ivoks> hhm... ETA 12h
[05:19] <ivoks> \sh: there is no blender in breezy?!
[05:21] <ivoks> there is... hm...
[05:22] <ivoks> lol... apt-cache search bledner :)
[05:22] <ivoks> ok, time to leave it downloading...
[05:22] <ivoks> see you later...
[05:36] <\sh> DanielN_PD: ping
[06:06] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[08:22] <Burgundavia> ogra, is that you cleaning out NewPackages that I see there?
[08:23] <ogra> nope
[08:24] <Burgundavia> just seen a fair number of things with "initial release" int he changelog
[08:25] <ogra> Burgundavia, that for edubuntu
[08:25] <ogra> thats even
[08:25] <ivoks> hi
[08:25] <ogra> Burgundavia, how high is your boredom level ?
[08:27] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuData
[08:27] <ogra> ;)
[08:29] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:29] <Burgundavia> anybody hiring? I need a job
[08:29] <Burgundavia> but I can play with that
[08:30] <ogra> just if you dont have to do anything else, i didnt mean to push you to it :)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I really actually should be looking for employment
[08:32] <ivoks> ogra: i have 3 years of expirience of Linux in classroom, maybe i could help with edubuntu?
[08:32] <ogra> ivoks, sure
[08:33] <ivoks> edubuntu should implement openldap
[08:33] <ogra> ivoks, i'm currently fixing this list of packages, to build a ltsp liveCD with that next week
[08:33] <Burgundavia> screw openldap
[08:33] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop
[08:33] <Burgundavia> it should use that new fedora directory server
[08:33] <ivoks> without it, it would be PITA to maintain it
[08:33] <ivoks> Burgundavia: or that
[08:33] <Burgundavia> I asked if someone could package it for breezy in my blog
[08:34] <ivoks> Burgundavia: but will we know everything about that DS untill breezy?
[08:34] <ogra> Burgundavia, for now it will use our new ltsp packages... whic use ldap
[08:34] <ivoks> cfengine2 comes to mind too
[08:34] <Burgundavia> ivoks, it is already releaed, and based on the quite nice Netscape stuff
[08:34] <Burgundavia> from what I understand, it is far more scalable than Open
[08:34] <ivoks> Burgundavia: i didn't try it, i used openldap only
[08:35] <tseng> mm cfengine
[08:35] <ivoks> ogra: cfengine/cfengine2
[08:35] <ogra> ivoks, no cfengine at all
[08:35] <ivoks> heh
[08:35] <ogra> the only way to go....
[08:35] <ivoks> nfs?
[08:35] <ogra> (even if i have no idea how to solve it yet
[08:35] <ogra> )
[08:35] <ogra> sure
[08:35] <ogra> nfs homes at least
[08:35] <ivoks> nfs has lots of pitfalls
[08:36] <ivoks> for example, you need /var/lib/gdm for every machine
[08:36] <ivoks> i have 60 computers with root-nfs
[08:36] <ogra> ivoks, mdz cares for that.... i can only grab the ready made packages
[08:36] <ivoks> next year, there will be only /home
[08:37] <ivoks> ok, i'll check and read edubuntu.org
[08:37] <ivoks> and make a list of proposals
[08:37] <ivoks> based on expirience
[08:38] <ogra> i care for the assembly of all of that and for http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop for now.... as well as for http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[08:38] <ogra> i hope to have a liveCD ready until the first weekend of july
[08:39] <ivoks> uh
[08:39] <ogra> so you can boot a server from it and netboot the classroom clients
[08:39] <ogra> as a showroom release
[08:40] <ogra> later we can just put UbuntuExpress on top of it and have the first edubuntu install CD
[08:41] <ogra> first target for the first edubuntu release is to be able to equip one classroom out of the box.... with as less work for the teacher as possible
[08:42] <ivoks> uh
[08:42] <ivoks> i hope you worked on edubuntu for a long time :)
[08:42] <ogra> the next ones should have server clustering support and probably also use a cluster filesystem instead of NFS
[08:43] <ivoks> ok, that setup i have
[08:43] <ivoks> openmosix in classroom
[08:43] <ogra> i want something easier....
[08:44] <ivoks> easier?
[08:44] <ogra> imagine you have installed one classroom with edubuntu to test it....
[08:44] <ivoks> what could be easier than that?
[08:44] <ivoks> ok...
[08:44] <ogra> the test went fine and you want to put it in the other rooms too
[08:44] <ivoks> ok...
[08:45] <ogra> you install it in the other rooms, the servers recognize each other automatically....
[08:45] <ivoks> ok...
[08:45] <ogra> ...and sync their data automatically.... without you doing anything
[08:45] <ogra> thats my targt
[08:45] <ogra> target
[08:46] <ivoks> well, you can't have everything automaticly
[08:46] <ivoks> you will need to allow first server to share date to other server
[08:46] <ogra> i want it.... if i cant get it, i have to invent i....
[08:46] <ogra> it even
[08:47] <ivoks> but, user will have to do something
[08:47] <ogra> why ?
[08:47] <ivoks> at least allow syncing
[08:47] <ivoks> maybe he wants two independet classrooms
[08:47] <ogra> sure... you can have a popup on the admin workstation.... asking you
[08:47] <ivoks> maybe he doesn't trust other server
[08:48] <ivoks> maybe that other server isn't his server
[08:48] <ogra> then he doesnt need to connect them
[08:48] <ivoks> true
[08:48] <ivoks> it has to trigger something
[08:48] <ivoks> it can't be fully automaticly
[08:48] <ogra> sure... but all this is solvable
[08:48] <ivoks> at least, enter IP or something
[08:48] <ogra> it can
[08:49] <ivoks> it is...
[08:49] <ivoks> well, you need java in classrooms too :)
[08:49] <ogra> yup... thats another problem...
[08:50] <ogra> even flash .... in norway all the tests ate flash forms
[08:50] <ogra> are
[08:50] <ogra> which is very odd
[08:50] <ivoks> yeah
[08:50] <ivoks> you need flash, java and realplayer
[08:51] <ivoks> divx too
[08:51] <ogra> divx ? what for ?
[08:51] <ivoks> i know, odd, but, belive me, you need that
[08:51] <ivoks> ffmpeg
[08:51] <ogra> hmm
[08:51] <ivoks> it doesn't have to be divix, ffmpeg is enough
[08:51] <ivoks> for some animations
[08:52] <ivoks> divix is very popular these days
[08:52] <ogra> sure.... but i dont want to produce a movie machine
[08:52] <ivoks> i know
[08:52] <ogra> and i dont want to duplicate a single program, so only one video player by default
[08:53] <ivoks> xine
[08:53] <ivoks> :)
[08:53] <tseng> dude kids at school dont need to watch wmv
[08:53] <ivoks> totem-xine or gxine
[08:53] <tseng> on their favorite porn sites
[08:53] <ogra> i dont need to have every program on the CD, you'll have the whole ubuntu universe available
[08:54] <ivoks> tseng: i agree
[08:54] <ogra> (and multivers)
[08:54] <tseng> so they can use gstreamer
[08:54] <tseng> and ffmpeg
[08:54] <ogra> yeps
[08:54] <tseng> and get over it
[08:54] <tseng> proprietary_codecs--
[08:54] <ivoks> ok
[08:55] <ivoks> i run classrom on linux
[08:55] <ivoks> so i know what teachers need
[08:55] <ivoks> well, maybe my teachers are bad
[08:55] <ivoks> you must have java, and thats proprietary
[08:56] <ivoks> if you don't include java, project will be failure :(
[08:56] <ogra> ivoks, but it must not be installed by default....
[08:56] <ivoks> i know ubuntu policy
[08:56] <ogra> as long as its a one click install to get it for the whole classroom
[08:56] <ivoks> that's why edubuntu is hard job...
[08:56] <ogra> nah
[08:56] <ivoks> ogra: yeah, it could be done with one click :)
[08:57] <ivoks> heh, we will need super teacher tool then :)
[08:57] <ogra> i'm just starting ;)
[08:57] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[08:58] <ivoks> ogra: i saw that one :)
[09:01] <ivoks>  item locking for every individual client - uh!
[09:02] <ogra> you mean the menu stuff ?
[09:02] <ivoks> yes
[09:02] <ogra> :)
[09:05] <ivoks> Burgundavia: do you have link for that redhats directory server?
[09:06] <ivoks> lol
[09:06] <ivoks> fedora.org :)
[09:07] <ivoks> directory.fedora.redhat.com
[09:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:08] <herve> houba!
[09:08] <ogra> hi herve
[09:09] <ivoks> herve: !!
[09:09] <bddebian> Heya herve
[09:09] <bddebian> I just ordered my second Stinkpad so hopefully I can get to Ubuntu packages relatively soon!!??
[09:10] <ivoks> from lenovo?
[09:11] <ivoks> Burgundavia: heh, this is LDAP :)
[09:12] <Burgundavia> yes, that is why I suggested we replace Open with it
[09:13] <ivoks> ok, it shouldn't have too much new stuff to learn :)
[09:13] <doko> ivoks: gcj is java
[09:14] <ivoks> doko: i ment java on web pages
[09:14] <ivoks> runtime
[09:14] <ogra> doko, many of the edu apps are web applets
[09:15] <ivoks> for example, web interface of Mathematica
[09:16] <ivoks> ogra: edubuntu logo - not bad, not bad at all
[09:17] <ogra> ivoks, there are a lot i dont like.... but also very good ones
[09:18] <ogra> my favorite is #8
[09:18] <ivoks> i saw only one
[09:18] <ivoks> :)
[09:19] <ogra> the pdf has 9 pages :)
[09:19] <ivoks> lol, more than one :)
[09:19] <ivoks> 4 sucks :(
[09:19] <ivoks> 8 is good
[09:20] <ogra> i like the idea of #4 it just looks bad in this design
[09:20] <ivoks> 1, 5, 7 and 8
[09:20] <ivoks> too much black in 4
[09:21] <ogra> yep
[09:22] <Burgundavia> where are these log ideas?
[09:23] <Burgundavia> s/log/logo
[09:23] <Burgundavia> never mind
[09:23] <chillywilly> farking egg
[09:24] <chillywilly> hey people I noticed a while back that sarge was released (yea I was late to the game)....any thoughts on that :)
[09:24] <bddebian> chillywilly!!!!
[09:24] <Burgundavia> hmm, I had a thought with the logo
[09:24] <Burgundavia> the picture + ed looks a bit like it is trying to be a word
[09:25] <Burgundavia> such as /.ed
[09:25] <ogra> Mr. ed
[09:25] <bddebian> chillywilly: Yeah, congrats to Debian, too bad it's about 2 years too late.. ;-P
[09:25] <Burgundavia> I really like 1
[09:25] <chillywilly> yea there would've been 3 Ubuntu releases
[09:25] <Burgundavia> clear colours
[09:25] <chillywilly> in the time it took them to do 1
[09:25] <tseng> i like page  8
[09:25] <bddebian> chillywilly: :-)
[09:25] <Burgundavia> but what does the person waving really mean?
[09:26] <tseng> he is raising his hand
[09:26] <tseng> like in a class
[09:26] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:26] <bddebian> chillywilly: So, are you an MOTU yet?? ;-)
[09:27] <chillywilly> nope
[09:27] <bddebian> loser.. ;-P
[09:27] <chillywilly> are you?
[09:27] <chillywilly> well?
[09:27] <bddebian> No, I'm as useless here as everywhere else.. :-)
[09:28] <chillywilly> ok then
[09:28] <chillywilly> he that has no sin cast the first stone
[09:28] <chillywilly> *thwap*
[09:28] <bddebian> Plus I have a dead laptop..  All I have left are Hurd boxen. :-)
[09:28] <ogra> bddebian, so start proting ubuntu to hurd then
[09:28] <bddebian> ogra: It's on my list
[09:29] <ogra> ok
[09:29] <Burgundavia> I had a thought about number 8
[09:29] <Burgundavia> what about droping the other 2 (black) people
[09:29] <bddebian> RACIST
[09:29] <tseng> Nafallo: how do I start the NM icon thingy
[09:29] <Burgundavia> and just having the figure raising its hands
[09:29] <ogra> tseng, applet
[09:29] <Nafallo> tseng: nm-applet
[09:29] <bddebian> heh
[09:30] <chillywilly> cause I am a penGNUin
[09:30] <chillywilly> well I play one on IRC anyway
[09:30] <Nafallo> *sigh* right now I hate nm ;-)
[09:30] <Nafallo> I can't reach my internal dns :-P
[09:31] <ivoks> nm rocks :)
[09:31] <Nafallo> and it eates 100% CPU when I plug a networkcable in ;-)
[09:31] <ivoks> :))
[09:31] <ogra> Nafallo, stay wireless ;)
[09:31] <Nafallo> cause it can't find my dhclient and tries again.
[09:31] <Nafallo> ogra: well, it can't connect to my wireless :-P
[09:32] <ogra> hmm, thats bad... fix it :)
[09:32] <ivoks> Nafallo: where did you get NM?
[09:32] <ogra> ivoks, its in
[09:32] <Nafallo> ivoks: archive.ubuntu.com :-)
[09:32] <ivoks> YAY!
[09:33] <ivoks> i have ETA 2 hours for downloading rest of breezy :)
[09:33] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:33] <ivoks> lol
[09:33] <ivoks> network-manager - <insert up to 60 chars description>
[09:33] <ivoks> :)
[09:33] <Nafallo> hahaha
[09:34] <Nafallo> I need thom :-P
[09:35] <ivoks> wait
[09:35] <ivoks> that's not from archive.ubuntu.com
[09:35] <ivoks> accutally, it isn't in breezy right now, isn't it?
[09:35] <Nafallo> ivoks: yes it is
[09:36] <ivoks> i updatet repos 3 hours ago
[09:36] <Nafallo> network-manager:
[09:36] <Nafallo>   Installerad: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1
[09:36] <Nafallo>   Kandidat: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1
[09:36] <Nafallo>   Versionstabell:
[09:36] <Nafallo>  *** 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 0
[09:36] <Nafallo>         500 http://darkelf breezy/universe Packages
[09:36] <ivoks> darkelf? :)
[09:36] <Nafallo> well, it went in less than an hour ago :-)
[09:36] <Nafallo> yepp :-)
[09:36] <ivoks> ok then
[09:36] <ivoks> update again :)
[09:36] <Nafallo> ahh, oops. apt-catcher ;-)
[09:41] <ivoks> Nafallo: gnome part is in network-manager package?
[09:41] <Nafallo> ivoks: gnome part as in nm-applet yes.
[09:42] <ivoks> ok
[09:42] <ivoks>  /usr/sbin/hald: unrecognized option `--drop-privileges'
[09:43] <ivoks> hal not started... hm...
[09:43] <Nafallo> wfm
[09:44] <ivoks> network-manager depends on bind9.
[09:44] <ivoks> WHAT?!
[09:44] <Nafallo> ivoks: exactly...
[09:44] <ivoks> why?
[09:44] <Nafallo> ivoks: caching dns :-P
[09:44] <ivoks> on name service server?
[09:44] <Nafallo> ivoks: the damn thing doesn't find my internal domain :-P
[09:45] <ivoks> :)
[09:45] <plugwash> debian dependencies can be a bit ott sometimes
[09:46] <Nafallo> plugwash: this is ubuntu deps ;-)
[09:46] <plugwash> afaict ubuntu is mainly an alternate release process for debian
[09:48] <Nafallo> oh? is network-manager in debian?
[09:48] <ivoks> :)
[09:48] <ivoks> and what about wifi-radar? :)
[09:48] <ivoks> gnome 2.11?:)
[09:49] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:49] <Nafallo> 2.11.3 :-)
[09:49] <ivoks> hm, hal doesn't start anymore
[09:50] <Nafallo> strange...
[09:50] <Nafallo> wfm @ amd64 ;-)
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ogra, what did you do that logo in?
[09:51] <ogra> Burgundavia, i didnt....
[09:51] <ogra> Burgundavia, canonical asked someone, i dont know him/her
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:51] <Burgundavia> andyfitz maybe?
[09:52] <ogra> nope, i dont think so
[09:52] <ivoks> ok, works now
[09:52] <ivoks> killall -9 hald :)
[09:53] <Burgundavia> anyboyd having menus not updating in Breezy?
[09:53] <ogra> ivoks, eeek
[09:53] <ogra> ivoks, dont do that
[09:53] <ogra> ivoks, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[09:53] <ivoks> ogra: yeah, that doesn't work :)
[09:53] <ivoks> it stops
[09:53] <ivoks> but hald is still runnning
[09:53] <ogra> ivoks, and hal is up to date ?
[09:54] <ivoks> so, kill them all :)
[09:54] <ivoks> ogra: it's breezy
[09:54] <ogra> ivoks, yes, here too.... all around me
[09:54] <ivoks> ogra: i guess it didn't stop, so instance left haning
[09:54] <ivoks> i stoped dbus and hal
[09:54] <Burgundavia> ok, just a sanity check. I installed NM. it should now show up in the add to panel, no?
[09:54] <ivoks> but that one left hanging...
[09:54] <ivoks> kill fixed problem
[09:55] <ogra> ah, ok... i normally reboot after an upgrade for the new kernel
[09:55] <ivoks> well, nm doesn't show me ant network :(
[09:55] <ivoks> any
[09:56] <ivoks> No network devices found
[09:59] <jdong> guys, Breezy's Muine needs a build-dep on gnome-icon-theme
[10:00] <jdong> nvm, it says not to complain for two weeks
[10:00] <jdong> sorry :)
[10:00] <tseng> good catch
[10:05] <tseng> eh
[10:05] <tseng> why does it need that
[10:05] <tseng> it builds just fine without it
[10:05] <jdong> ./configure bombed out on my chroot asking for it
[10:05] <Nafallo> jdong: it did not in my pbuilder.
[10:06] <jdong> oops
[10:06] <jdong> you guys already have it in as a dep
[10:06] <jdong> disregard my stupidity :)
[10:06] <Nafallo> jdong: k :-)
[10:07] <jdong> I was forcing the build to continue because I though it was only bombing out on libdbus-1-cil, but there was gnome-icon-theme, too :)
[10:07] <\sh> back from resting
[10:08] <Nafallo> jdong: that's why you should use pbuilder ;-)
[10:08] <Nafallo> \sh: n-m is in the archive ;-)
[10:08] <\sh> n-m?
[10:08] <jdong> lol, that's why I should avoid -d... ;)
[10:08] <Nafallo> \sh: network-manager :-)
[10:08] <\sh> Nafallo: ah yes, I saw it
[10:09] <Nafallo> \sh: hates me though :-P
[10:09] <\sh> well, i have some pitfalls in upgrading from hoary to breezy
[10:09] <\sh> 1. overriding the already existing /etc/network/interfaces without asking
[10:10] <\sh> 2. not taking all packages for upgrading..guessnet e.g. was not upgraded :(
[10:26] <\sh> riddell: ping
[10:35] <Riddell> \sh: yo
[10:36] <\sh> Riddell: libqt3-mt-dev as suggests/recommends dep in kdevelop3, can't we make it as dependency?
[10:38] <\sh> god bless me for dist-upgrading to breezy...now I see some really nasty package issues ;)
[10:41] <herve> night all
[10:41] <\sh> night herve
[10:43] <Riddell> \sh: libqt3-mt-dev isn't a dependency, you might not be programming qt
[10:44] <\sh> hmmm...correct...
[10:44] <\sh> even if i'm not thinking about installing kdevelop for gtk programming ;)
[11:14] <Lathiat> hmm, multisyncs evo2 plugin is b0rked
[11:23] <\sh> anybody awake with upload rights to universe?
[11:37] <Nafallo> yay!
[11:37] <Nafallo> it's almost working :-P
[11:40] <\sh> wow...
[11:40] <\sh> the fonts are really nicer under breezy
[11:41] <\sh> even the mix of gnome apps on kde


[00:23] <derekv> rate limit is greifing me
[00:35] <derekv> found a bulk delete method in the api, hopefully that'll be better
[00:43] <derekv> ok one thing that bugs me about python here is that to even see what the return type is of a function you need to read the code.  which involves grep half the time to find it in the first place.
[00:44] <derekv> the latter is something I can lean a better way of doing I'm sure
[01:37] <_stink_> all functions return a duck.
[02:44] <derekv> haha _stink_
[03:15] <derekv> gfd:  "NOTE: This function is not available to third party applications. Calls will result in an EDAMUserException with the error code PERMISSION_DENIED. "
[03:15] <derekv> thanks, evernote
[03:15] <derekv> nice API
[03:15] <derekv> I have 56000 notes to delete and have to do one call for each apparently, and am rate limited
[04:17] <derekv> Here it is https://github.com/DerekV/geeknote/commit/d9f270b35b970183fdbc73d8437ad198a94823be
[04:17] <derekv> Now I just need to rate-limit it and let it run on my server for like a week
[04:21] <derekv> got a decent grasp of this thing now, next weekend will perhaps write the feature I really wanted in the first place, true offline sync
[04:22] <derekv> unless they lock out those parts of the API
[04:22] <derekv> in which case its probably just time to cut bait on Evernote
[04:59] <cmaloney> derekv: Didnt' know there was an Evernote API worth using
[04:59] <derekv> there is one, it's implemented using Apache Thrift
[05:01] <derekv> well, I just deleted about 5000 notes, and it isn't reflected on the web interface
[05:01] <derekv> hopefully that is just a node sync issue
[05:24] <derekv> f this, it isn't working.  says deleted, but its not deleted at all.
[05:25] <derekv> maybe time to cut bait on this thing
[05:25] <derekv> i liked the text search in images a lot =[
[15:02] <cmaloney> Good moring
[15:02] <cmaloney> morning, even
[15:02] <cmaloney> derekv: Yeah, I'm in the process of moving my Evernote stuff to Tagspaces
[15:09] <gamerchick02> morning
[15:09] <gamerchick02> how's that going?
[15:10] <cmaloney> Slowly. I haven't figured out an automated way outside of copy / pasting notes
[15:10] <gamerchick02> oh gosh
[15:11] <gamerchick02> i have a lot of "media" style notes (pictures, links with pictures, etc). i'm not sure if moving to a new platform would work...
[15:12] <gamerchick02> oh lord i managed to miss David Hasselhoff's singing career. that was an amazingly good thing. (he's on NPR right now with a story about the fall of the Berli wall)
[15:13] <derekv> the killer feature is the OCR on images ... it works.  even on handwriting.  i search for whiteboard sessions all the time
[15:13] <gamerchick02> really? cool!!
[15:14] <derekv> yea, that's the one thing that sold me on evernote
[15:14] <gamerchick02> Tagspaces or Evernote? i've not tried the OCR in Evernote.
[15:14] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Most Americans missed David Hasselhoff's singing career
[15:14] <cmaloney> evernote's OCR happens automatically
[15:14] <derekv> evernote
[15:14] <cmaloney> Tagspaces is just a dumb container for files
[15:14] <gamerchick02> ah
[15:15] <gamerchick02> so tagspaces is like a desktop wiki kind of?
[15:15] <derekv> google drive has image OCR, but I haven't tried it
[15:15] <derekv> not sure about dropbox
[15:15] <gamerchick02> nice
[15:15] <cmaloney> Killer feature for Tagspaces is it makes it pretty easy to create new text files
[15:15] <cmaloney> which I can grep through without a problem
[15:16] <derekv> I used org-mode for a while.  Great if you always have your laptop handy.  text only.
[15:16] <derekv> conceptually, I really like camlistore
[15:21] <derekv> if camlistor works well, it'd be worth purchasing software for OCR or sending images to an OCR service
[15:22] <gamerchick02> cool. i've not done a lot with ocr
[15:22] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Tagspaces is more of a file-bvased system for storing text files
[15:22] <cmaloney> it has a filename convention that allows it to support tagging
[15:22] <gamerchick02> oh cool.
[15:23] <gamerchick02> i'll probably keep evernote... :-P
[15:23] <gamerchick02> it doesn't allow images, i take it?
[15:23] <cmaloney> Iot does, but there's no searching outside of tagging
[15:24] <gamerchick02> ok
[15:24] <cmaloney> (for images, text is just fine)
[15:27] <cmaloney> I was hoping Geeknote might have some way to copy out text, but it seems just as limited as the web client
[23:21] <derekv> cmaloney: I'm hacking on geeknote now.  It's very limited ... it was mostly developed for some dudes who want to, for some strange reason, upload all their log files and share via evernote
[23:41] <jrwren> that is super weird.
[23:41] <jrwren> derekv: have they not heard of ELK ?


[12:05] <lamont> dilinger: btw, would you happen to know: debian/2.6.12/ia64: working or no?
[12:36] <BenC> lamont?
[12:37] <lamont> si?
[12:41] <BenC> nevermind :)
[12:42] <BenC> lamont: do you know anyone besides neuro and elmo that handle the debian buildd's?
[12:43] <lamont> depends on what you mean by 'handle'
[12:43] <lamont> I do hppa/ia64
[12:43] <BenC> someone that can setup auric as a sparc buildd
[12:43] <lamont> infinity is involved in m68k
[12:43] <lamont> sparc is elmo, iirc
[12:43] <BenC> ok
[12:43] <lamont> and auric would certainly be DSA-types
[12:44] <BenC> elmo has been MIA all day
[04:10] <zul> evening
[04:10] <BenC> yo
[04:10] <zul> whats up
[04:18] <zul> i think we could try updating spca5x driver this weekend ;)
[04:49] <infinity> BenC : We have 1001 offers for sparc buildds, several of which are much beefier than auric, but I need to talk to elmo so see if we can get any going.
[06:38] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:38] <crimsun> morning
[06:38] <fabbione> BenC: sparc kernel is up :)
[06:59] <BenC> infinity: we have 2 buildd's now
[07:00] <BenC> infinity: and none of the offers I saw were worth anything
[07:00] <BenC> infinity: elmo already has auric going
[07:00] <BenC> fabbione: cool
[07:00] <BenC> auric is steadily building packages as we speak
[07:12] <fabbione> BenC: when do you plan to put your e3k back online?
[07:12] <BenC> after I move
[07:12] <BenC> hopefully in the next week
[07:12] <fabbione> ah cool
[07:12] <fabbione> i was expecting a 2 months movement ;)
[07:12] <fabbione> hmm i need to add the other buildd online
[07:12] <fabbione> we got 2 offered, but one (pretty fast) keep crashing
[07:13] <fabbione> i need to check on this on
[07:13] <fabbione> +e
[07:13] <fabbione> Setting up linux-image-2.6.12-9-sparc64 (2.6.12-9.14) ...
[07:17] <fabbione> vultus5:/# debootstrap breezy /mnt http://mirror.int.fabbione.net/ubuntu
[09:11] <infinity> BenC : Well, one offer I saw was for a machine pretty much identical to auric, but with 2G of RAM.
[09:11] <infinity> Anyhow, it's the matter's well in hand, I don't much care. :)
[11:30] <mjg59> Bestest kernel EVAR.
[02:15] <mjg59> BenC: Uhm. Did you actually enable sk98lin in the .config?
[02:30] <BenC> mjg59: that's a damn good question
[03:00] <BenC> and the answer would be no, but the upside is, 9.15 is going to upload in about 30 minutes
[03:01] <BenC> I forgot to enable ndiswrapper on amd64 aswell
[03:01] <mjg59> Ha
[03:01] <mjg59> BenC: Have you spoken to kamion?
[03:02] <BenC> no
[03:07] <mjg59> BenC: Nothing should be uploaded to main at the moment unless you have clearance
[03:11] <fabbione> BenC: hold on.. wouldn't be an idea to do a test build around with that config change first?
[03:11] <fabbione> are we sure that driver build everywhere?
[03:11] <BenC> sk98lin?
[03:12] <BenC> it will only be building everywhere skge and sky2 were building
[03:12] <BenC> well, that's probably everywhere except hppa, atm
[03:12] <fabbione> that includes sparc too
[03:12] <BenC> I'm talking to Kamion first
[03:12] <zul> hey
[03:12] <BenC> I know it builds on sparc
[03:13] <BenC> used it before on sparc64
[03:13] <BenC> hey zul
[03:13] <fabbione> BenC: hmm ok
[03:13] <fabbione> should i run a test build for the sake of god?
[03:13] <BenC> hold a sec
[03:13] <fabbione> sure
[03:17] <BenC> well, green light for 9.15 upload
[03:17] <BenC> fabbione: changes commited
[03:17] <fabbione> BenC: did you add the drivers to the udebs?
[03:17] <fabbione> so that also the installer can actually use it?
[03:17] <BenC> no, wasn't aware of that...let me do that
[03:18] <fabbione> do you know how?
[03:18] <fabbione> otherwise i can do it on the fly
[03:18] <BenC> got it
[03:18] <BenC> nic-modules, right?
[03:19] <BenC> is that the only place?
[03:19] <BenC> also, what does the question mark in "foo ?" mean in that file?
[03:19] <fabbione> debian/d-i/shared/something...
[03:19] <fabbione> foo <- the module MUST be there
[03:19] <BenC> ah
[03:19] <fabbione> foo ? <- include it if it's there otherwise skip it.. no failure
[03:19] <fabbione> so you must add a ?
[03:20] <fabbione> since not all arches will ship this module, right?
[03:20] <BenC> right
[03:21] <BenC> ok, got that in too
[03:22] <fabbione> updating the local tree
[03:23] <BenC> too about 15 minutes to collect the abi files for all 6 arches
[03:23] <BenC> took*
[03:24] <fabbione> given that all of them do actually build. otherwise you are in trouble :)
[03:24] <fabbione> oh crap
[03:24] <fabbione> i forgot to switch archive
[03:27] <BenC> fabbione: so you said 2.6.14 should be done like 2.6.14-<IP_ADDRESS>-X.Y until 2.6.14 final, right?
[03:27] <fabbione> no i suggest you use something like <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:28] <fabbione> as major upstream
[03:28] <fabbione> never put the final, until it's final
[03:28] <BenC> well, I was going to call it linux-source-2.6.14
[03:28] <BenC> but the version would start at <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:28] <fabbione> hmmm oh yeah
[03:28] <fabbione> sorry.. that's right
[03:28] <BenC> ok
[03:29] <fabbione> just be sure that other than source, there is nothing that shows up as 2.6.14
[03:29] <BenC> actually going to do .92 for -rc2, .93 for -rc3, etc
[03:29] <BenC> right
[03:29] <fabbione> otherwise people will harass you badly
[03:30] <fabbione> BenC: it's a good idea after you branch, to do baz cachereb
[03:30] <fabbione> meh
[03:30] <fabbione> cacherev
[03:30] <fabbione> otherwise it takes ages to switch/checkout
[03:31] <BenC> does changelog Closes entries actually close bugzilla bugs?
[03:32] <fabbione> nope
[03:32] <fabbione> bugzilla does nothing
[03:33] <BenC> ok, it's uploaded, I had to get it quickly so Kamion wasn't holding off Colony 5 forever
[03:34] <fabbione> ah ok
[03:34] <fabbione> well than i won't bother to build
[03:34] <fabbione> we will see what the buildd will say
[03:35] <fabbione> if it breaks, you better get ready to upload again :)
[03:35] <zul> meh...i have to fix that audigy bug
[03:35] <BenC> for some reason, I knew I was going to have to do a 9.15 today
[03:35] <fabbione> zul: what bug?
[03:35] <fabbione> i have a audigy here...
[03:36] <fabbione> BenC: it's always like this ..
[03:36] <fabbione> specially when you approach release
[03:36] <zul> fabbione: some pci ids were removed from the audigy driver in 2.6.12 they are back in 2.6.13
[03:37] <fabbione> zul: ENOCARE :) works for m
[03:37] <fabbione> +e
[03:37] <fabbione> including remote control
[03:37] <zul> and my boss uses audigy on his computer at home and he knows im on the kernel team
[03:37] <zul> blah..
[03:38] <fabbione> zul: tsk :P
[03:38] <fabbione> tell your boss to buy a better card
[03:38] <BenC> everyone that's on the "kernel team" needs to add themselves to the KernelTeam wiki page so I know who you all are :P
[03:38] <zul> i did :)
[03:38] <fabbione> BenC: he is on the kernel team
[03:38] <fabbione> speaking of which
[03:39] <fabbione> we need to clean it up a bit
[03:39] <BenC> I did a little
[03:39] <fabbione> can you remind me the URL?
[03:39] <BenC> I don't see any names on the KernelTeam page other than fabbione and myself
[03:39] <BenC> wiki.u.c/KernelTeam
[03:40] <fabbione> that's right...
[03:40] <fabbione> soon to be only yoouuuUUUUU
[03:40] <fabbione> but WTF
[03:40] <fabbione> we had a completely different page
[03:41] <fabbione> with a lot of links and shit
[03:41] <fabbione> where did it all go?
[03:41] <BenC> there's a diff URL in the topic
[03:41] <BenC> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam
[03:41] <BenC> I didn't see that one
[03:41] <BenC> same page
[03:41] <BenC> that's the way I found it
[03:42] <BenC> only thing I changed was s/fabio/ben/
[03:42] <fabbione> yeah i know
[03:42] <fabbione> it must have been when the wikis fetish BDSM guys did move to YET another WIKI
[03:42] <fabbione> we had all the policy and crap
[03:43] <BenC> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxKernelRoadmap
[03:43] <BenC> there's that too
[03:43] <fabbione> yeah that's the specs from UDU
[03:44] <fabbione> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamTasks?highlight=%28kernel%29 <-
[03:44] <fabbione> just search for kernel
[03:44] <fabbione> it will spit out shit
[03:45] <BenC> ok
[03:45] <BenC> need to get all those links in the KernelTeam page
[03:45] <BenC> KernelTeam is supposed to be the main page, right?
[03:45] <fabbione> they were there :/
[03:45] <fabbione> yes
[03:45] <BenC> ok
[03:46] <fabbione> if you can, try to kill the links on how to build custom kernels
[03:46] <BenC> hopefully with 9.15 out, and Colony 5 building, I can take some time to do that
[03:46] <fabbione> ehehe
[03:46] <fabbione> it can wait after Breezy
[03:46] <fabbione> so we might be able to assimilate more people
[03:46] <BenC> I got a lot of stuff I need to document, so I don't lose/forget it
[03:46] <BenC> the whole ABI-changing-upload
[03:47] <BenC> do I still need to do klibc?
[03:47] <fabbione> jbailey is looking at it
[03:47] <BenC> ok
[03:47] <fabbione> klibc is not extremely important
[03:47] <fabbione> because an ABI change doesn't break it
[03:47] <fabbione> or purge it
[03:47] <BenC> d-i, linux-meta, and lrm should be done
[03:47] <fabbione> it makes klibc unbuildable
[03:47] <fabbione> yeah it's all done i think
[03:48] <BenC> btw, auric's been chugging away at packages
[03:48] <BenC> I think sparc is safe from the arch-police for etch
[03:48] <fabbione> afaik sparc is going to be SCC because the installer didn't get any love in sarge
[03:49] <BenC> SCC?
[03:49] <BenC> the installer worked great for me from sarge
[03:49] <fabbione> BenC: Secondary Crappy arCh
[03:49] <jbailey> Eh?  Sparc was working when I beat on it last year.
[03:49] <BenC> I did the auric install with a sarge tftp image
[03:49] <fabbione> that's what i was told
[03:49] <fabbione> so..
[03:49] <fabbione> relax :)
[03:49] <fabbione> BenC: if we can get your machine to build breezy in a serious way
[03:50] <BenC> I think if sparc32 gets dropped, things will be a lot better
[03:50] <BenC> we can't keep feeling sorry for the sun4c folks
[03:50] <fabbione> than i can dedicate my sparc for testing
[03:50] <jbailey> Already done for breezy. =)
[03:50] <fabbione> breezy doesn't support sparc32
[03:50] <BenC> yeah, debian needs to do the same
[03:50] <fabbione> BenC: you said you have like 6 CPU/6GB of RAM
[03:50] <BenC> netbsd runs so much better on the sparc32 hardware anyway
[03:50] <fabbione> that could run but it self 5 instances of buildd :)
[03:51] <jbailey> That was at the advice of the aurora and the slackware for sparc or wahtever they're called.
[03:51] <BenC> fabbione: yep, it can do some serious damage to a build list
[03:52] <BenC> anyone ever looked at taking advantage of smp on larger packages?
[03:52] <BenC> mozilla, openoffice, kernel, X, gnome, kde, etc.
[03:52] <jbailey> It's hard to do predictable in a generic way.
[03:52] <BenC> gcc too
[03:52] <jbailey> glibc does it.
[03:53] <fabbione> kernel does
[03:53] <BenC> yeah, I saw that the kernel does
[03:53] <fabbione> X can't
[03:53] <jbailey> Even with autoconf?
[03:53] <fabbione> and there is no need anymore anyway
[03:53] <jbailey> It ought to be able to.
[03:53] <BenC> I know my e3k can -j a kernel build in like 5 minutes or less
[03:53] <fabbione> jbailey: it's splitted in 3M pkgs..
[03:53] <jbailey> BenC: Is that with or without ccache
[03:53] <jbailey> ?
[03:53] <fabbione> BenC: eheheh
[03:53] <BenC> without
[03:53] <jbailey> sweet
[03:53] <fabbione> ehehe
[03:53] <fabbione> with ccache is going to fly
[03:54] <fabbione> and if you are cool with the setup, with shared ccache between chroots it flies even more :)
[03:54] <BenC> how hard is that to setup
[03:54] <jbailey> trivial
[03:54] <jbailey> install ccache
[03:54] <fabbione> easy
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:57 cc -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:52 g++ -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:52 g++-3.3 -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:52 g++-3.4 -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <BenC> nice
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:52 g++-4.0 -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:52 gcc -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <fabbione> BenC: when you are ready to do it, i will give you the chroots ready for you
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:52 gcc-3.3 -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:52 gcc-3.4 -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <fabbione> BenC: with all the setup and stuff
[03:55] <jbailey> lrwxrwxrwx   1 jbailey jbailey   15 2005-05-16 17:52 gcc-4.0 -> /usr/bin/ccache
[03:55] <jbailey> Do that in ~/bin
[03:55] <jbailey> Add it to your path.
[03:55] <fabbione> BenC: you will only need to allocate space that can be bind mounted
[03:55] <fabbione> jbailey: there are much easier way than that
[03:56] <fabbione> if [ -d /usr/lib/ccache ] ; then
[03:56] <fabbione>    export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:"${PATH}"
[03:56] <fabbione>     export CCACHE_DIR=/usr/src/.ccache
[03:56] <fabbione>     export CCACHE_NLEVELS=8
[03:57] <fabbione>     if [ -n "$(which distcc)" ] ; then
[03:57] <fabbione>         export CCACHE_PREFIX="distcc"
[03:57] <fabbione>         export DISTCC_HOSTS="localhost foo bar"
[03:57] <fabbione>     fi
[03:57] <fabbione> fi
[03:57] <fabbione> no symlinks
[03:57] <fabbione> no mess
[03:57] <fabbione> and ready for distcc :)
[03:59] <jbailey> debuild won't see that, I don't think will it?
[03:59] <fabbione> it does
[04:03] <infinity> Yeah, /usr/lib/ccache is love.  elmo pointed it out to me the other day, and I felt dumb for having created the links manually.
[04:11] <Yagisan> nice
[04:25] <BenC> great, the sk98lin driver is failing to build at all, has nothing to do with the arch
[04:27] <mjg59> BenC: Hmm. My patch appeared to build here.
[04:28] <mjg59> BenC: It's missing the -I statement pointing it at its includes
[04:30] <BenC> got it
[04:30] <BenC> it still had -Ia/drivers
[04:30] <BenC> no idea why
[04:38] <BenC> wow, that's broken
[04:38] <infinity> Do I smell ANOTHER upload?
[04:39] <BenC> fabbione: the sparc64 breezy tftp image told me that I didn't have a ethernet interface, but that I _did_ have a firewire device :)
[04:39] <BenC> which is odd considering that I have no PCI on this e3k :)
[04:40] <BenC> but I do have a happymeal card
[04:40] <fabbione> BenC: no idea..
[04:40] <fabbione> i didn't test breezy installer at all
[04:40] <fabbione> but all the modules should be there
[04:40] <BenC> yeah, I loaded it manually
[04:41] <fabbione> BenC: for me the breezy installer is completely untested
[04:41] <fabbione> so it might fry stuff
[04:41] <fabbione> be aware
[04:41] <BenC> ok
[04:41] <fabbione> if it works is a plus :)
[04:43] <BenC> is the smp kernel for sparc64 tested well?
[04:43] <fabbione> we did test it only on one machine
[04:43] <BenC> the breezy installer must be using the broken version of libdetect
[04:43] <fabbione> i don't have SMP here
[04:43] <BenC> it's not seeing my sbus devices
[04:44] <BenC> that bug was in debian too, but it got fixed
[04:44] <fabbione> it depends when it got fixed
[04:44] <BenC> libdetect ignores > 1 sbus buses
[04:44] <BenC> was awhile ago
[04:44] <fabbione> we should compare the versions
[04:44] <BenC> like 3-6 months
[04:44] <fabbione> if the fix is not in and it's not intrusive, we might be able to push it
[04:44] <BenC> I'm having to manully load hme and esp modules
[04:45] <fabbione> i see
[04:45] <fabbione> annoying
[04:45] <BenC> it only affects machines like mine that have things on other than sbus0
[04:45] <fabbione> i guess that problem is only in the installer, right?
[04:46] <fabbione> BenC: anyway i need to stop for one hour or so
[04:46] <fabbione> my brain is melting
[04:46] <BenC> well, if it uses detect for initramfs, then it will be there too
[04:46] <fabbione> no it doesn't
[04:46] <fabbione> afaik at least
[04:46] <fabbione> jbailey: ???
[04:46] <fabbione> i need to stop for a while
[04:46] <fabbione> bbl
[04:49] <jbailey> libdetect?
[04:49] <jbailey> What's that?
[04:50] <jbailey> Ubuntu's d-i uses hotplug / udev
[04:50] <BenC> what does it uses to scan the sbus on sparc?
[04:51] <jbailey> No idea, I don't think hotplug has magic for that.
[04:51] <BenC> somehow it needs to I guess
[04:51] <jbailey> Is the sbus driver sysfs enabled?
[04:52] <jbailey> I could add that to initramfs-tools at least.
[04:52] <BenC> the debian installer handles it somehow
[04:52] <BenC> yes, it is
[04:52] <jbailey> Debian's installer uses discover1
[04:52] <BenC> discover, that's what I meant, not detect
[04:52] <jbailey> Ah. 'k
[04:53] <jbailey> I've just asked Colin to double check.
[05:05] <jbailey> Yep.  discover is only used for X autoconfiguration.
[05:05] <jbailey> So possibly nothign does sbus detection at all.
[05:06] <jbailey> Cookingup hotplug patches for sbus isn't hard, but I don't know that it could be done for breezy.
[05:06] <jbailey> Best bet might be to do a plugin on sparc only.
[05:06] <jbailey> If you can get a machine installed with Breezy (or if I can this weekend now that I have a nullmodem cable)
[05:07] <jbailey> I can get the hack in for initramfs-tools to do any detection you need there.
[05:10] <BenC> something on debian loads hme(ethernet) and esp(scsi) modules
[05:10] <BenC> I don't know what it is
[05:11] <spayne> i'm back to discuss my ndiswrapper problem :_
[05:11] <spayne> i'm back to discuss my ndiswrapper problem :)
[05:13] <jbailey> Heya spayne, mkrufky
[05:31] <fabbione> re
[05:31] <fabbione> BenC: how is the installation going?
[05:31] <fabbione> BenC: i am pretty sure you can manage to install ubuntu-standard
[05:31] <fabbione> but not ubuntu-desktop
[05:31] <spayne> BenC: ping
[05:33] <BenC> well, it's headless, so desktop isn't needed anyway
[05:33] <BenC> spayne: ?
[05:33] <fabbione> BenC: yeah so it's mine, but i still test full installability :)
[05:34] <spayne> BenC: can you talk about the ndiswrapper problem and see if it can be traced to something?
[05:34] <fabbione> BenC: there is one package too much in ubuntu-desktop Depends: that makes it fail
[05:34] <BenC> fabbione: I read that as "instability" :)
[05:34] <BenC> spayne: sure, refresh me on what the issue is
[05:35] <fabbione> BenC: lol :)
[05:35] <fabbione> i think i will just build it manually and get over it
[05:35] <fabbione> buildd is choaking on hoary-security
[05:37] <spayne> BenC: right, the bug related is http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14147
[05:37] <spayne> BenC: when i have installed and loaded up ndiswrapper, the kernel module isn't being loaded
[05:37] <spayne> it is weird
[05:38] <spayne> because if the device is plugged in (it is USB), the system hangs on 'Loading Modules' and/or 'Starting Hotplug'
[05:38] <BenC> ndiswrapper isn't loaded, or some other module
[05:38] <spayne> and when i remove the device
[05:38] <spayne> i get this error
[05:38] <spayne> Sep 22 21:21:14 amarillo kernel: [4294699.242000]  ndiswrapper
[05:38] <spayne> (usb_reset_port:633): usb_reset_device() = -19
[05:38] <spayne> Sep 22 21:21:14 amarillo kernel: [4294699.242000]  ndiswrapper
[05:38] <spayne> (usb_reset_port:633): usb_reset_device() = -22
[05:38] <spayne> Sep 22 21:21:14 amarillo kernel: [4294699.242000]  ndiswrapper
[05:38] <spayne> (ndiswrapper_add_one_usb_dev:312): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device
[05:38] <spayne> (C0000001)
[05:38] <spayne> Sep 22 21:21:14 amarillo kernel: [4294699.242000]  ndiswrapper: probe of 3-3:1.0
[05:38] <spayne> failed with error -22
[05:39] <spayne> which makes me think it is a USB problem
[05:40] <BenC> -22 == -EINVAL
[05:40] <spayne> what?
[05:40] <BenC> that's the error code it is returning
[05:40] <BenC> no idea what EINVAL means in this case
[05:41] <BenC> does it work under windows or any other linux dist
[05:41] <BenC> ?
[05:41] <spayne> yes
[05:41] <spayne> all other distros
[05:41] <spayne> be it suse, fedora
[05:41] <spayne> it works fine
[05:41] <spayne> SUSE 10 works the best and that has a 2.6.13 kernel
[05:41] <BenC> what version of the ndiswrapper module?
[05:42] <spayne> 1.1 - the standard one
[05:43] <BenC> is that the same version as in suse?
[05:44] <spayne> no
[05:44] <BenC> what version is in suse
[05:44] <spayne> give me a mo
[05:45] <spayne> 1.2-2
[05:45] <mjg59> We can't upgrade ndiswrapper at this point
[05:45] <spayne> why?
[05:45] <spayne> also, it works fine on my Dell laptop with a MiniPCI card
[05:45] <mjg59> Because userspace needs to be kept in synchronisation with the kernel, and we're deep into freeze
[05:46] <infinity> BenC --
[05:46] <infinity> applying patch external-drivers-net-sk98lin to ./ ... failed.
[05:46] <infinity> make[1] : *** [debian/monolith/patch-2.6.12-9.17]  Error 1
[05:46] <infinity> \o/
[05:46] <BenC> mjg59: that's your patch failing to apply :)
[05:46] <BenC> neither of the sk98lin patches is working
[05:46] <fabbione> hmmm
[05:47] <fabbione> ok let's stop and focus one second...
[05:47] <BenC> zul's fails to build with some errors in skge.c
[05:47] <fabbione> we can't keep uploading this way
[05:47] <BenC> I'm done uploading
[05:47] <BenC> Kamion is going with 9.14 for Colony 5
[05:47] <fabbione> did you upload .18 ?
[05:47] <fabbione> ok
[05:47] <BenC> sk98lin will be an errata
[05:47] <dilinger> i really don't think it's ndiswrapper
[05:47] <mjg59> BenC: There's a one character fix to zul's patch
[05:48] <dilinger> since it hangs during init when ndiswrapper isn't even loaded
[05:48] <spayne> dilinger: i thought it might be the USB Stack
[05:48] <spayne> dilinger: hi btw
[05:48] <dilinger> hello
[05:48] <spayne> did you get anything from the kernel log?
[05:49] <infinity> hey dilinger.
[05:50] <BenC> fabbione: btw, after adding esp and sunhme to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and dpkg-reconfigure, my e3k is booting ubuntu
[05:50] <fabbione> COOL
[05:50] <fabbione> hey dilinger
[05:50] <fabbione> BenC: i am talking with Kamion already to fix it (as jbailey did too)
[05:51] <fabbione> so i think we can get it fixed for breezy
[05:52] <dilinger> spayne: i haven't checked the bug report, i should probably add myself to the cc list or something
[05:52] <spayne> dilinger: I pasted the kernel log which gave some interesting errors http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14147
[05:54] <BenC> Linux zachery 2.6.12-9-sparc64 #1 Fri Sep 23 01:07:46 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux
[05:54] <BenC> time to test smp :)
[05:54] <fabbione> BenC: yuo
[05:54] <zul> fabbione: its cum...:)
[05:55] <BenC> mjg59: what is the fix for zul's patch?
[05:55] <zul> gets ndiswrapper working for amd64
[05:55] <zul> i believe..
[05:55] <spayne> it doesn't even work on i386
[05:55] <spayne> never mind amd64!
[05:56] <mjg59> BenC: Just remove the a/
[05:56] <mjg59> From the EXTRA_CFLAGS statement
[05:56] <BenC> mjg59: already tried that
[05:56] <mjg59> BenC: Oh, christ, Dunno, then.
[05:56] <mjg59> spayne: It works fine on i386
[05:56] <mjg59> It doesn't work *for you*
[05:56] <BenC> it still fails in skge.c because of some weird errors
[05:56] <mjg59> BenC: Shrug.
[05:56] <spayne> mjg59: it does work on some machines, not USB devices
[05:57] <spayne> does anyone have any ideas?
[05:57] <mjg59> BenC: The patch I sent applied fine here (working against an older tree, obviously) and built
[05:57] <mjg59> BenC: My suspicion is that it's failing to patch because you've dropped sky2, and so there's a different hunk in Kconfig
[05:57] <mjg59> Or the Makefile
[05:57] <fabbione> spayne: buy better hw that doesn't need crappy windowss dll? ;)
[05:58] <spayne> fabbione: that is not the answer - i have had this bug for 2 months
[05:58] <spayne> and every time i try and get help, nothing happens
[05:58] <dilinger> what's recommended for controlling cpufreq from userspace?  cpudyn?  powernowd?
[05:58] <mjg59> We ship powernowd
[05:59] <dilinger> alright, thanks.  i'll play around w/ that one
[05:59] <mjg59> spayne: Frankly, ndiswrapper for USB stuff is a low priority
[05:59] <spayne> really? so people who use Ubuntu with Laptops (cough)Laptop Testing Scheme(cough) can't do anything?
[05:59] <fabbione> spayne: because these kind of drivers are extremely hard to support.
[05:59] <spayne> it isn't a driver problem!
[06:00] <fabbione> given that if they fail in the .dll crap, there is no way we can get it fixed
[06:00] <mjg59> spayne: People with USB devices are always at liberty to get one that has native Linux drivers
[06:00] <spayne> it is nearly impossible
[06:00] <mjg59> spayne: That's *not* true of most of the problems we're dealing with here
[06:00] <mjg59> spayne: No, it really isn't
[06:00] <spayne> why did it work with Hoary then?
[06:00] <mjg59> There are several supported USB wireless devices
[06:00] <mjg59> I've *no fucking clue*
[06:00] <BenC> spayne: one issue is that it is nearly impossible for us to really do anything about it
[06:00] <BenC> I cannot reproduce it
[06:00] <fabbione> spayne: luck
[06:01] <spayne> luck?
[06:01] <fabbione> that's probably why it did work
[06:01] <mjg59> spayne: And maybe I'll have time to look at it once I'm finished dealing with the higher priority issues
[06:01] <BenC> spayne: can you try hand building the newest ndiswrapper and see if that works?
[06:01] <spayne> will do
[06:01] <mjg59> spayne: The USB devices that *Maplin* sell are supported, for christ's sake
[06:02] <spayne> that isn't the point, they point is that ndiswrapper is broken for some USB devices
[06:02] <mjg59> Right. And that's a bug.
[06:02] <mjg59> It's a low priority bug,
[06:02] <fabbione> spayne: there is always something broken for somebody
[06:02] <spayne> i thought one of the aims for Breezy was that any laptop would just work :)
[06:02] <fabbione> spayne: do you have a patch to fix the problem?
[06:02] <mjg59> spayne: The aim is to support as much as we can. If I have time, I will see if I can reproduce the problem.
[06:02] <spayne> that's fine
[06:03] <spayne> thanks mjg59
[06:03] <BenC> spayne: it may not even be an ndiswrapper bug, it sounds to me like ndiswrapper isn't able to communicate with the USB device, which could be a USB stack bug
[06:03] <spayne> yes, but who do i contact?
[06:03] <BenC> spayne: I'm hoping that trying a different ndiswrapper version will tell us if this is the case
[06:04] <spayne> i just came here because the bug was assigned to you
[06:04] <fabbione> spayne: you did open the bug. that's enough
[06:04] <BenC> you talk to me, but all I can tell you right now is that the ball is largely in your court, because this is such a specialized problem
[06:04] <fabbione> spayne: coming around to push developer is of no help
[06:05] <BenC> spayne: if this were "ndiswrapper is broken for 99% of the people", I'd get right on it
[06:05] <BenC> but as it is now, it's just you, and I've no confirmations that it is affecting anyone else
[06:05] <spayne> fair enough
[06:05] <BenC> not saying you aren't important, but I have to get the bugs that affect the most people first :)
[06:06] <BenC>  * Starting hotplug subsystem...
[06:06] <BenC> fabbione: smp kernel stops there
[06:07] <BenC> hard lock, have to powercycle
[06:07] <fabbione> crap
[06:07] <BenC> odd that there is no kernel output
[06:07] <fabbione> can you try to boot without quiet/splash options?
[06:07] <fabbione> i don't think they get added on sparc
[06:07] <BenC> this thing is far from quiet
[06:08] <fabbione> so you get full boot log
[06:08] <BenC> yeah
[06:08] <fabbione> christing bananas
[06:08] <fabbione> hmm i wonder if you try to boot UP and disable hotplug and see if it boots -SMP
[06:09] <BenC> I can try
[06:09] <BenC> update-rc.d -f hotplug remove ?
[06:09] <fabbione> than try to load hotplug manually and perhaps you can get something out
[06:09] <fabbione> i would just add an exit 0 at the beginning of the script :)
[06:09] <BenC> if I boot to single, is that before hotplgu?
[06:09] <fabbione> hmm i think so
[06:09] <fabbione> i can't remember
[06:09] <BenC> I'll try that first
[06:09] <BenC> sucks, hard power cycles on this machine takes 8 minutes
[06:10] <fabbione> ehehe i know :)
[06:10] <BenC> as opposed to the 2 minutes for a soft reset
[06:10] <fabbione> the E10K was like 45 minutes
[06:10] <fabbione> just powering down the domain
[06:10] <fabbione> and powering it up again
[06:10] <BenC> the POST on sparc's is just too damn thorough
[06:10] <fabbione> better that way
[06:11] <fabbione> but later i found a trick...
[06:11] <BenC> yeah, it's why sparc's are so good :)
[06:11] <BenC> please tell me :)
[06:11] <fabbione> does the e3k supports hw partitioning?
[06:11] <fabbione> like having 2/3 execution domains..
[06:12] <BenC> no
[06:12] <BenC> only starfire hardware can do that
[06:13] <BenC> IIRC, a 32way e10k can compile a kernel in 28 seconds flat
[06:13] <fabbione> ok
[06:13] <fabbione> yeah...
[06:13] <fabbione> i know :)
[06:13] <fabbione> too bad i don't have access to it anymore
[06:14] <fabbione> otherwise we would be building dapper already
[06:14] <BenC> woulda made a nice buildd :)
[06:14] <BenC> I've got two bad simms on this e3k
[06:14] <fabbione> yeah
[06:14] <BenC> kills a gig of my memory
[06:15] <BenC> maybe just need to reseat them
[06:15] <fabbione> i didn't want to install a buildd there, because i knew i was going away
[06:17] <BenC> mjg59: your patch fails to apply 1 hunk to skge.c
[06:17] <fabbione> it's years that's broken and i can't find 400USD to get it fixed
[06:17] <BenC> a very large hunk
[06:17] <fabbione> but with that amount i could just buy another one
[06:17] <BenC> what's broken?
[06:19] <fabbione> either the mobo or the CPU
[06:20] <fabbione> but for that money i can just buy another full U60
[06:20] <BenC> guessing it isn't a dual cpu
[06:20] <fabbione> e merge them into one
[06:20] <fabbione> no it's not
[06:21] <BenC> weird
[06:21] <BenC> it booted this time
[06:22] <fabbione> ah
[06:22] <fabbione> well sorry that's a problem with your e3k
[06:22] <fabbione> she isn't used to such a cool kernel
[06:22] <BenC> lol
[06:22] <BenC> Linux zachery 2.6.12-9-sparc64-smp #1 SMP Fri Sep 23 01:36:07 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux
[06:22] <fabbione> show me /proc/cpuinfo :)
[06:23] <BenC> even crappier, only 4 cpus active
[06:23] <BenC> cpu             : TI UltraSparc II  (BlackBird)
[06:23] <BenC> fpu             : UltraSparc II integrated FPU
[06:23] <BenC> promlib         : Version 3 Revision 2
[06:23] <BenC> prom            : 3.2.29
[06:23] <BenC> type            : sun4u
[06:23] <BenC> ncpus probed    : 4
[06:23] <BenC> ncpus active    : 4
[06:23] <BenC> need to reseat that whole cpu/mem board
[06:23] <fabbione> doh
[06:23] <fabbione> that could probably be the reason why it failed before?
[06:24] <BenC> well it got as far as userspace
[06:24] <fabbione> i don't recall that the kernel needs any special config option to support more than 4cpus
[06:24] <fabbione> not on sparc at least
[06:24] <BenC> it would just not boot to userspace at all if there was a problem with that
[06:25] <BenC> might have been that the cpu's went offline while it was booting
[06:25] <BenC> at the power cycle left them that way
[06:25] <fabbione> hmm crack
[06:35] <jbailey> mjg59: err.  You there? =)
[06:41] <mjg59> jbailey: HI
[06:41] <mjg59> Uh
[06:41] <mjg59> Hi
[06:41] <infinity> Argh.
[06:42] <infinity> Alright, who broke my vesafb?
[06:43] <jbailey> mjg59: Are you using bzr or apt-get source to fetch initramfs-tools when you hacked it?
[06:44] <infinity> jbailey : Do I blame you or the kernel for this one?
[06:44] <jbailey> infinity: No habla inglis Seor.
[06:44] <jbailey> Try de gringo over 'dere.
[06:44] <infinity> jbailey : After the kernel update, vga=xxx on the command line leaves me with blank/unuseable VTs, and vesafb doesn't seem to be loaded at all.
[06:44] <infinity> \o/
[06:44] <BenC> infinity: I saw a similar bug report
[06:44] <jbailey> infinity: When was the last initramfs-tools you updated?
[06:45] <BenC> nothing should have messed with that though
[06:45] <jbailey> Or rather the last initramfs-tools that you used in your previous thing?
[06:45] <jbailey> I found a rather amusing bug.
[06:45] <jbailey> Like none of the initramfs-tools hook scripts are marked executable.
[06:45] <jbailey> It's a wonder it boots at alll...
[06:45] <mjg59> jbailey: bzr
[06:45] <infinity> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1262680 2005-09-16 08:53 vmlinuz-2.6.12-8-686
[06:45] <infinity> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1262749 2005-09-23 07:53 vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686
[06:45] <jbailey> mjg59: Right.  Time to lean on them a bit more about preserving the chmod +x bit. =)
[06:46] <infinity> So, -8- was probably generated with 0.26... -9- was generated with 0.28
[06:48] <infinity> jbailey : So, if I just chmod +x /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/* and regenrate, you say this may resolve my problem? :)
[06:49] <jbailey> infinity: It may.
[06:49] <jbailey> It seems to have fixed this other guy's bootup speed problems.
[06:53] <infinity> jbailey : You win.  I have a console again.
[06:53] <infinity> Now I get chatty junk from the ide driver that I've never seen before
[06:53] <infinity> [4294672.679000]  ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free.
[06:53] <infinity> [4294672.679000]  ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe
[06:53] <infinity> [4294672.679000]  ide1: I/O resource 0x170-0x177 not free.
[06:53] <infinity> [4294672.679000]  ide1: ports already in use, skipping probe
[06:53] <infinity> But at least I have a console. :)
[06:55] <zul> BenC: got a question for you..
[06:55] <BenC> zul: shoot
[06:56] <zul> large chunks were removed from emu101k in 2.6.12 but were put back into 2.6.13, should I backport everything 2.6.13 into our 2.6.12 or how would you handle it?
[06:57] <BenC> I'm not so sure it will get into breezy, so might aswell just leave it, since 2.6.14 will have it
[06:57] <zul> ok
[06:58] <mkrufky> there's a bunch of stuff that was removed right before 2.6.12 was released for stability purposes... most of those haven't been fixed until 2.6.14
[06:58] <infinity> Yeah, who has SBLive/Audigy cards anyway?
[06:58] <zul> my boss for one
[06:59] <mkrufky> heh
[06:59] <mkrufky> there was some debate about whether or not to support those cards
[06:59] <mkrufky> because they have some features that cannot be supported at this point in time
[06:59] <mkrufky> and those features happen to be the major selling-points of those cards
[07:00] <mkrufky> but since basic support worked, they ended up being included (more recently)
[07:14] <BenC> mjg59: your sk98lin patch is compiling now, it was conflicting order with an acpi update that touched skge.c
[07:14] <mjg59> Ok
[07:15] <BenC> your patch just removed all the stuff that patch put in, so I killed the skge.c edits in there, and rediffed your patch
[07:15] <mjg59> Hrm?
[07:15] <mjg59> My patch shouldn't have been touching skge
[07:15] <BenC> acpi added suspend/resume
[07:15] <BenC> sk98lin/skge.c
[07:15] <mjg59> Unless you mean the one in sk98lin/skge.c ?
[07:15] <mjg59> Ah, right
[07:15] <mjg59> Ok
[07:46] <BenC> ncpus probed    : 6
[07:46] <BenC> ncpus active    : 6
[07:47] <BenC> much better
[07:56] <fabbione> BenC: cool. i started uploading the chroot.. it will take a while.. i am gonna send you an email with the details when it's done
[07:56] <fabbione> s/d$/r
[08:01] <BenC> ok
[08:26] <BenC> is there something with the arch/bzr style revision control model that says we can't use head (kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.12) for our main development area, and just branch tags for each release?
[08:28] <dilinger> grumble.  hoary's lm-sensors detect all kinds of false alarms on these shitty asus boards
[08:44] <infinity> BenC : No, and I'd prefer it.  Different people have different workflows, that's all.
[08:44] <BenC> you'd prefer just having a single head?
[08:45] <infinity> Yeah, that works better for me.  But I'm probably just too CVS/SVN oriented, and therefor not cool enough for baz. :)
[08:45] <BenC> I must not be cool either :)
[08:45] <BenC> I think I might go with that
[08:46] <BenC> as it is now, we have two branches for each release, the dev branch, and the tag
[08:46] <infinity> Hey, it's your kernel now, bugs and all.  YOu get to force whatever model you want on your minions.
[08:46] <BenC> and I don't think baz is zero overhead for a non-changes branch
[08:46] <infinity> I'm more likely to contribute if I'm more comfortable with the development model, mind. :)
[08:48] <zul> im not a minion im a free dude
[08:49] <infinity> MINION!
[08:49] <zul> NO!
[08:49] <infinity> SUBMIT!
[08:51] <BenC> is there a way to remove a wiki page?
[08:51] <infinity> Probably, but I'm not wiki-friendly.
[08:51] <infinity> Another area where I lack cool.
[08:52] <infinity> Erm, wait.
[08:52] <jbailey> BenC: baz is the suck.  You can use bzr.  It's quick.  It's snazzy.  It's also not terribly sharable and doesn't have centralised commit, but hey.. =)
[08:52] <infinity> It's right there in the drop down "More Actions" box.
[08:52] <infinity> Last option: "Delete Page"
[08:52] <infinity> (If you don't have that box, or that option, you're probably not logged in)
[08:53] <infinity> I'd suggest we move the kernel to SVN, but then I'd get fired.
[08:53] <infinity> So I didn't suggest it.
[08:53] <infinity> Shhhh.
[08:57] <zul> NEVER!
[09:02] <zul> meh...i dont want to learn another version control system
[09:03] <BenC> svn is so easy though
[09:04] <BenC> what was the fix for the blank console with vga=XXX?
[09:11] <infinity> BenC : Upgrade to jbailey's latest initramfs-tools crack and remake your initrd.
[09:11] <infinity> (or chmod +x /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/* and regenerate)
[09:16] <BenC> jbailey: 16118 is initramfs bug then?
[09:17] <zul> BenC: meh...its your call :)
[09:17] <jbailey> No idea.  What does vga=791 do?
[09:18] <infinity> Big, pretty vesafb console.
[09:18] <infinity> And yes, 16118 is the exact bug I had earlier.
[09:18] <infinity> Fix it with one of the two above methods.
[09:19] <infinity> Shall I post an update?
[09:20] <BenC> zul: i'd never switch to svn for the kernel
[09:20] <BenC> infinity: yea, please
[09:21] <zul> BenC: *shrug* ;)
[09:22] <infinity> Done.
[09:27] <zul> i dont want to get into a pissing match over version control software
[09:29] <infinity> Not likely to be one. :)
[09:29] <infinity> baz is the canonical Canonical revision control system, so we use it.
[09:29] <zul> then again maybe i might :)
[09:29] <zul> infinity: i know
[09:29] <infinity> bzr should suck a lot less when it's actually feature-complete.
[09:29] <infinity> Or, so I keep hearing.
[09:30] <infinity> And I'll continue to use SVN for non-work stuff, and just not tell anyone about it. :)
[09:30] <infinity> (Hey, SVN is the whole reason I started maintaining apache2...)
[09:43] <BenC> I use svn for everything I can
[09:55] <jbailey> infinity: bzr already sucks less for the use cases it covers.
[09:55] <jbailey> infinity: group development just isn't one of those use cases.
[10:21] <zul> later folks


[13:32] <Ussat> They changed some host based FW rules, and broke my shit
[18:20] <luke-jr> it looks like altivec is broken in groovy? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/493930785/buildlog_ubuntu-groovy-ppc64el.bitcoin_0.20.1.knots20200815-groovy0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:23] <oerheks> yes, build error 16 hrs abo
[18:23] <oerheks> ago
[18:23] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~luke-jr/+archive/ubuntu/bitcoinknots
[18:24] <oerheks> fix it?
[18:59] <luke-jr> oerheks: it's a problem with Ubuntu groovy
[19:01] <luke-jr> I can't fix Ubuntu/Launchpad
[19:27] <tomreyn> it's not this, is it?  https://www.quora.com/Why-am-I-getting-vector-does-not-name-a-type-in-C-even-though-I-included-vector-and-added-using-namespace-std-in-another-header-and-included-that-header
[19:31] <luke-jr> no
[19:31] <luke-jr> that's about C++'s std::vector, not Altivec's vector attribute
[19:32] <tomreyn> ok, i'm clueless, just tried to find something related. maybe file a bug against ubuntu's gcc 10 then
[19:34] <tomreyn> if you think it's specific to launchpad instead, maybe bring it up in #lauchpad (or where the topic there suggests)
[19:40] <luke-jr> I have no reason to think ti is


[12:15] <\sh> hmmm....the german guys have some problems with me
[01:31] <ajmitch> hi
[01:31] <Burgundavia> salut
[02:32] <segfault> MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE
[02:49] <ajmitch> heh
[05:21] <tseng> hi
[05:27] <crimsun> re tseng
[05:39] <tseng> whats up
[05:52] <crimsun> tseng, not much, just returned from Ottawa a couple hours ago. Had to run to Target because United Airlines lost my luggage somewhere between Ottawa and Chicago. How about you? Any plans for the Fourth?
[05:53] <tseng> not really
[05:56] <schweeb> tseng: you suck then
[05:56] <schweeb> you should come to Bay City, MI and hang out with me
[05:56] <schweeb> :p
[09:38] <ivoks> morning
[10:01] <Micksa> wqqweqweq23qwe`part
[10:01] <Micksa> fuck.
[11:09] <siretart> moin
[11:22] <ivoks> hi
[11:26] <siretart> hi ivoks
[01:17] <ivoks> anyone having problems with eclipse?
[01:18] <ajmitch> nope
[01:18] <ajmitch> I don't use it :)
[01:18] <ivoks> :>
[01:18] <ivoks> it has nice python and perl addons
[01:23] <hrvoje> voksi
[01:26] <ivoks> hrvoje: hi
[01:26] <hrvoje> ivoks: hey! what's up?
[01:26] <ivoks> hrvoje: learning for exam
[01:27] <hrvoje> ivoks: which one?
[01:28] <ivoks> eh...
[01:28] <ivoks> mechanics of the soil :)
[01:29] <hrvoje> that's nice
[01:29] <ivoks> then i have static II (5.7.), and metal constructions I(12.7.)
[01:31] <hrvoje> regarding metal constructions, I've just passed over the new bridge (Krka) on the highway A1 and Dreznik (2.5 km long viaduct) ... wow! :)
[01:31] <\sh> ok..motus...I'm just compiling a list of finished/unfinished cxx transition business :)
[01:32] <ivoks> \sh: aren't all libs finished?
[01:32] <\sh> ivoks: no
[01:32] <ivoks> doh
[01:32] <\sh> there r some nasty showstoppers...and I want to get them done in anyway, for me it's also ok, to trash some stuff, because upstream is not reacting to bug entries
[01:36] <ivoks> doh
[02:06] <ivoks> lounch time :)
[02:16] <dholbach> hi
[02:19] <dholbach> sorry for the noise :)
[02:23] <\sh> dholbach: i think I have them now
[02:24] <dholbach> 23 source packages
[02:24] <dholbach> that's excellent news
[02:24] <dholbach> do you want to link the list on MOTUTodo?
[02:25] <\sh> Yepp...will do :)
[02:25] <dholbach> super
[02:27] <\sh> and i think we will have some missed libs which are being revelead after all the libs known to us ;)
[02:27] <dholbach> i hope we'll start a massive test-rebuild soon
[02:27] <dholbach> so we shall know
[02:29] <\sh> yepp
[02:29] <dholbach> but i think that's something for "4-5 weeks before release"
[02:29] <dholbach> we should now focus on getting new stuff in
[02:30] <dholbach> if there are no big transition items
[02:30] <\sh> ace and aqsis
[02:30] <\sh> ace needs really a lot of love
[02:30] <dholbach> i meant "other transitions than the c++ stuff"
[02:30] <dholbach> ace is a pain in the ass :)
[02:30] <dholbach> both, if you want to package it or if you want to hack with it
[02:32] <\sh> oh.yeah python-sip4-qt3 and python-kde3 ,-)
[02:33] <dholbach> and we should start assigning bugs to "motu" on launchpad
[02:33] <dholbach> well... enough to do :)
[03:58] <dholbach> bye guys, see you later
[05:45] <\sh> yes..quantlib is done :)
[06:52] <trulux> fw from -devel: anyone preparing the marbles for the LSM 2005?
[07:54] <ivoks> hello
[07:54] <siretart> hi ivoks
[07:55] <ivoks> studying over, rollerblading over
[07:55] <ivoks> time for ubuntu :)
[08:05] <siretart> ivoks: are you still at wifi-radar? I experienced that with madwifi, my card is always immediatly disassociating when wifi-radar is running
[08:05] <siretart> I don't know why, but this stopps as soon as I quit wifi-radar
[08:06] <ivoks> siretart: i don't use wifi-radar anymore :)
[08:06] <siretart> oh
[08:07] <ivoks> wifi-radar is jsut frontend for dhclient
[08:07] <ivoks> check out /usr/sbin/wifi-radar
[08:07] <siretart> well, for also for iwtools
[08:07] <ivoks> what dhclient do you use?
[08:08] <siretart> well, the default one from hoary, lets see
[08:09] <siretart> isc-dhclient-V3.0.1
[08:09] <ivoks> ok, let's see what arguments does wifi-radar passes
[08:10] <siretart> I don't think thats a problem with dhclient
[08:10] <siretart> because I see that association and deassociatoins with iwevent
[08:10] <ivoks> you think it's with wifitools?
[08:10] <ivoks> silly me, i tought you said disconnection :)
[08:11] <siretart> jo
[08:15] <ivoks> siretart: and this happens only when you connect with wifi-radar?
[08:15] <siretart> ivoks: jepp
[08:15] <ivoks> he drops from your network?
[08:16] <siretart> yes. he connects and immediatly disconnects
[08:16] <siretart> I think that is some foo in madwifi triggered by wifi-radar
[08:17] <ivoks> hm...
[08:27] <ivoks> darn wifi on 50m and 3 walls :)
[09:21] <ivoks> no motus? :)
[09:21] <siretart> huh?
[09:21] <ivoks> where is everybody? :)
[09:22] <ivoks> segfault: http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/splashy/ubuntusplashy/ - this is yours?
[09:23] <`crimsun> it's the weekend of Kuly 4th in the USA, and it was just Canada/Dominion Day (July 1)
[09:23] <`crimsun> July^
[09:24] <ivoks> we have someone from USA here?
[09:24] <`crimsun> several
[09:24] <ivoks> i tought all MOTUs are from germany :)
[09:28] <ivoks> khm...
[09:28] <\sh> lol
[09:31] <ivoks> need a help?
[09:33] <\sh> nope...:( it's only too hot to work fast
[09:45] <ivoks> eclipse is great
[09:45] <ivoks> now I just have to find good python+gtk book
[09:47] <Amaranth> ivoks: I told the pygtk guys they should take the tutorial, add some stuff to it, and call it a book
[09:47] <Amaranth> ivoks: iow, the tutorial plus the reference are all you need
[09:48] <ivoks> thanks for info
[09:48] <ivoks> summer is near, i'm planing to master pygtk :)
[09:49] <\sh> ivoks, i need assistance in my python+kde work ,-)
[09:49] <Amaranth> bleh
[09:49] <Amaranth> \sh: Show me documentation that isn't C++ manuals and isn't a book
[09:50] <ivoks> i dislike KDE :)
[09:50] <ivoks> too much colors :)
[09:51] <Amaranth> too many checkboxes
[09:51] <\sh> lol...
[09:51] <ivoks> :)
[09:51] <Amaranth> shit, my nicotine patch thing is falling off
[09:51] <Amaranth> brb
[09:51] <ivoks> that patch helps?
[09:52] <Amaranth> if you want it to
[09:52] <ivoks> well spoken
[09:52] <ivoks> my dad smoked two boxes per day
[09:52] <\sh> nicotine patch? it's a cigarette
[09:52] <ivoks> then one day just stoped and never light one...
[09:53] <Amaranth> ivoks: I did that once, lasted 3 months.
[09:53] <Amaranth> Tried it before I got these, lasted 3 days
[09:53] <ivoks> :(
[09:53] <ivoks> i can smoke a box in a day
[09:53] <ivoks> and then not light one for weeks
[09:54] <Amaranth> box?
[09:54] <Amaranth> we call those 'packs' :)
[09:56] <ivoks> ok, pack :)
[09:56] <ivoks> we call them box
[09:56] <ivoks> boxes
[09:57] <ivoks> ok, python demands identing?
[09:58] <ivoks> IndentationError: expected an indented block (<input>, line 2)
[09:58] <\sh> sure
[09:58] <\sh> there r no brackets or something else
[09:58] <ivoks> stoopid language :)
[09:59] <ivoks> kidding, kidding
[09:59] <ivoks> see you later
[09:59] <\sh> the same I said in the beginning too
[10:00] <\sh> ok..will go to bed now...tomorrow work..
[10:01] <\sh> g'night
[11:38] <comadreja> hello, all... I'm the author of drqueue (http://www.drqueue.org/), drqueue already has a debian package... and I thought about maintaining myself the ubuntu one. Would that be hard ?
[11:40] <Burgundavia> stuff from debian is automatically synced
[11:41] <comadreja> oh, really ?
[11:41] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:41] <comadreja> I haven't seen drqueue in apt-cache
[11:41] <Burgundavia> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=drqueue&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[11:41] <Burgundavia> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=drqueue&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[11:42] <comadreja> oh, in breezy, cool
[11:42] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:42] <comadreja> I'm using hoary
[11:42] <Burgundavia> so keep the stuff in debian updated, and it will find its way into breezy
[11:42] <comadreja> well, I'm not the maintainer in debian
[11:43] <comadreja> but, I'll do my best ;)
[11:43] <Burgundavia> is the debian maintainer slow?
[11:43] <comadreja> yep
[11:43] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I would first try and work with the debian maintainer
[11:43] <Burgundavia> if that doesn't work
[11:44] <Burgundavia> you might be able to push newer versions in Ubuntu
[11:44] <Burgundavia> but that highly not recommended
[11:44] <Burgundavia> as it can mess up the autosync process
[11:44] <comadreja> I see, ok... is there any other way I could help around ?
[11:44] <Burgundavia> sure
[11:44] <Burgundavia> package new stuff
[11:44] <Burgundavia> qa packages
[11:45] <comadreja> awesome, yep
[11:46] <Burgundavia> most of the motus are european, so figure on that timetable
[11:46] <comadreja> I'm european too
[11:47] <comadreja> what should I do, just ask here ?
[11:47] <Burgundavia> best to find an area you are interested in and start working on that
[11:47] <ajmitch> however it's monday morning here, so I can't stick around & help out with much
[11:48] <Burgundavia> ick monday
[11:48] <comadreja> damn, monday
[11:48] <Burgundavia> one thing that does need to be done is .desktop files for packages
[11:48] <ajmitch> yes, monday..
[11:48] <Burgundavia> make everything show up in the menu
[11:49] <comadreja> I'll stick around
[11:50] <Burgundavia> cheers
[11:50] <Burgundavia> and welcome
[11:50] <comadreja> thanks :)