[07:43] <zzarr> hello! I'm trying to understand how to make a patch for a kernel in order to make it compatible with Ubuntu Touch, it's a Chromebook kernel for the ASUS Chromebook Flip
[09:15] <mac-> what are minimal hardware rewuirements for porting ?
[09:24] <mac-> win15
[09:37] <mac-> hm
[09:38] <mac-> as I guess port for Nexus 4 is fully functional ?
[09:38] <mac-> and up to date ?
[09:38] <mac-> what about Nexus 5 ?
[10:04] <abeato> ogra_, hey
[10:05] <abeato> ogra_, I'm seeing an issue in touch where some devices are seen in ubuntu rootfs but not in the android container
[10:06] <abeato> ogra_, how it the container configured in regard to device node creation?
[10:42] <ogra_> abeato, the udev equivalent of android creates /dev on container startup ... both /dev trees need to be distinct else you cause chaos
[10:44] <abeato> ogra_, in this case some times the devices are seen in the container, and some times they are not... they are always see in ubuntu rootfs... that's what is puzzling me
[10:44] <abeato> yep, I see they can't be excatly the same
[10:44] <ogra_> sounds like there is a race then
[10:44] <abeato> yep :)
[10:45] <ogra_> the container should not move on until all devices are created
[10:45] <ogra_> iirc rsalveti once wrote a patch for that
[10:45] <ogra_> perhaps that needs updating
[10:45] <abeato> these devices are created by a process launched in android
[10:45] <abeato> so they do not exist before the conatiner starts
[10:47] <ogra_> right
[10:47] <ogra_> that is why we need that waiting loop in the rild upstart job
[10:50] <abeato> ogra_, the problem is *inside* the container... there is a process that android starts that loads fw, and the device driver creates the device... which is seen in ubuntu but not always in the container
[10:51] <ogra_> what device is that ? you could make init.rc create a socket and check that from the ubuntu side
[10:51] <ogra_> (or just a flag file, doesnt need to be a socket)
[10:52] <abeato>  /dev/stpwmt, related to wifi in frieza
[11:05] <ogra_> abeato, the udev equivalent in android is ueventd btw
[11:06] <ogra_> the container should not emit the android event until that has created all devices
[11:07] <ogra_> but if you say wifi, did you make sure that nothing touched the device on the ubuntu side ? if both os-es try to load the firmware there will be bad things happening
[11:07] <ogra_> *touches
[11:08] <abeato> ogra_, no, I don't think that happens, fw loading is triggered from a process in the android side
[11:09] <abeato> taking a look at ueventd now...
[11:09] <ogra_> good ...
[11:29] <_Sponge> Hello & good morning #ubuntu-touch
[11:31] <popey> yo
[11:31] <_Sponge> popey, I slept funny #sore-shoulder
[11:32] <popey> me too!
[11:37]  * _Sponge is looking for a 'trust box' off febay for the Office Kitchen - no luck so far :(
[11:50] <ogra_> jibel, davmor2, i had unity8 die on me at least once a day (three times yesterday actually) since friday on rc-proposed on the MX4
[11:50] <ogra_> did you see anything similar ?
[11:55] <davmor2> ogra_: no but then my dogfood device in on stable not rc-proposed
[11:55] <ogra_> ah
[12:04] <jibel> ogra_, I didn't see that, but didn't use my phone much this week end
[12:04] <ogra_> only happens after a few hours, but then completely out of the blue
[12:06] <jibel> ogra_, it's the build with the new mir to fix bug 1532607
[12:06] <ubot5`> bug 1532607 in Mir "Phone not usable while a call comes in - followed by "restart"" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1532607
[12:07] <ogra_> well, whatever is latest in rc-proposed
[12:07] <ogra_> i usually update immediately if i get the notification
[12:07] <jibel> ogra_, yeah, I'm just confirming that Friday's build contains the new mir
[12:09] <jibel> ogra_, can you file a bug and attach unity8 and unity-system-compositor log files?
[12:12] <jibel> ogra_, ~/.cache/phablet/unity8.log and /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log when it happened
[12:15] <ogra_> i'll try to find the time during the day, yeah
[12:33] <mac-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXGbRnfqSss
[12:34] <ogra_> yeah, last year ....
[12:34] <mac-> oh right
[12:34] <mac-> I'm still not familiar with 2016 :p
[12:35] <ogra_> :)
[12:35] <mac-> what about Facebook client, it is some native or just web version ?
[12:35] <ogra_> just web (yet)
[12:36] <mac-> same as it was on FirefoxOS
[12:36] <mac-> any good jabber client with OTR support ?
[12:37]  * ogra_ doesnt use jabber, so i dont know
[12:37] <mac-> k
[12:37] <popey> don't think so
[12:38] <_Sponge> popey, We can do gif's on ubuntu-touch , is that right ?
[12:39] <popey> dunno what you mean by "do gifs"
[12:44] <_Sponge> Well, we have a radar map .. Note this isn't the *actual* Dutch website that I'm looking for.
[12:44] <_Sponge> http://www.weathercast.co.uk/radar/netherlands.html
[12:45] <_Sponge> we have a github page by an Ubuntu Loco team member ...
[12:45] <_Sponge> https://github.com/OerHeks
[12:46] <ogra_> _Sponge, it will definitely work inside a webview ... not sure if animated gifs work in QML though
[12:46] <ogra_> (never tried)
[12:46] <_Sponge> ok , I shall make a note on it.
[13:49] <mariogrip> mhall119: ping
[13:50] <_Sponge> Afternoon mariogrip
[13:50] <mariogrip> _Sponge: Hi
[13:51]  * _Sponge is looking for community board rooms on AirBnB.
[13:52] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Anymore thoughts on jingo for wiki.ubports.com
[13:52] <_Sponge> ^ ?
[13:52] <popey> mariogrip: public holiday in the US today, m hall119 might not be about
[13:53] <mariogrip> popey: Oh, ok
[13:53] <mariogrip> _Sponge: Jup http://wiki2.ubports.com/wiki/Home
[13:54] <_Sponge> mariogrip: That's terriffico, well done !
[13:54] <mhall119> mariogrip: pong
[13:55]  * mhall119 still hasn't figured out this whole "holiday" thing
[13:56] <_Sponge> nice you could give some undivided attention to mariogrip on this holiday day :)
[13:56] <mariogrip> mhall119: Oh, hey! Have you tried update? (saw there was 2 new versions)
[13:56] <mhall119> mariogrip: not yet, sat down this morning and realized my FP2 battery was drained again, so it's charging up now
[13:57] <mhall119> also, 2 new versions? I was already on rev 6, and I only see up to rev 7 on http://system-image.ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/FP2/
[13:57] <mariogrip> mhall119: I see v8
[13:58] <mhall119> oh, ha, there is it, just had to refresh :)
[13:58] <mariogrip> mhall119: :)
[13:58]  * popey hands mhall119 a morning coffee
[13:58]  * mhall119 is already nearly done with his first cup
[13:58] <mariogrip> btw, if you need network: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AdbNetworking
[13:59] <mhall119> I've been sick all weekend, actually drank tea *hot*
[14:00] <mariogrip> mhall119: Thats not good, hope you are better now!
[14:00] <mhall119> getting there, it was just a cold
[14:00] <mhall119> it's the only time I ever drink hot tea though, is when I'm sick
[14:01] <_Sponge> Good option: Cod Liver Oil for aches & pains, Vitamin.c for antibodies etc  |Oh and the winter flu jab.
[14:02] <mariogrip> I always hot milk and honey when i'm sick
[14:02] <mariogrip> drink*
[14:02] <_Sponge> honey is more preventative than anything else
[14:03]  * mhall119 has so much honey
[14:05] <ganzeinfach> hey
[14:07] <ganzeinfach> Does anyone have an idea, which ubntu I can install on a del latitude ST Tab 10.1? 12.04 Precise doesn´t work for me, cause keyboard is freezing on the beginning.
[14:09] <ganzeinfach> wubi is not working. If I go in livemode in ubuntu, the liveos restart after my choice to install 12.04
[14:11] <ganzeinfach> hmm :/
[14:11] <mariogrip> ganzeinfach: Is it the desktop version you are trying to install?
[14:12] <k1l_> 12.04 and wubi? that doesnt sound right.
[14:12] <ganzeinfach> yeah, I think so. Cant get the touchversion of 12.04 I think. I´ve got ubuntu-12.04.5-dvd-i386
[14:12] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: why 12.04?
[14:13] <ogra_> 12.04 in general doesnt sound right, given it will go EOL in about 12 months
[14:13] <ganzeinfach> because it have LTS
[14:13] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: so does 14.04
[14:13] <ogra_> like 14.04 :)
[14:13] <ganzeinfach> and it works well on a desktop
[14:13] <ganzeinfach> and there is an tutorial for 12.04alpha2
[14:13] <ganzeinfach> 14.04 sux :)
[14:14] <ogra_> in any case, if you are using the desktop version this is probably the wrong channel ... this is all about the phone/tablet OS based on unity8
[14:14] <ganzeinfach> you missunderstood
[14:14] <ogra_> for touchscreen probs i'd go to #ubuntu-x ... for general installation support to #ubuntu
[14:14] <ganzeinfach> i want a touch version
[14:14] <ganzeinfach> but there is no download anymore. only for 16.04 touch
[14:15] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: the 12.04 desktops are not really touch desktops.
[14:15] <ganzeinfach> yeah, but do you can find a link to 12.04 touch?
[14:15] <ganzeinfach> I don´t
[14:15] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: because ubuntu is making a new unity desktop which fits for touch on smartphones/tablets and  desktop on the same time
[14:16] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: there is no ubuntu-touch unity on 12.04
[14:16] <ganzeinfach> i dont like unity. i like xfce or xubuntu
[14:16] <ogra_> well, there are a few touch features in the 12.04 unity
[14:16] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: if you mean "touch hardware support". that is a not what ubuntu-touch is about
[14:16] <ogra_> (the desktop version)
[14:16] <ogra_> right, as i said, for touch hardware issues go to #ubuntu-x
[14:17] <ganzeinfach> yeah but if i cant get the touchversion I have to change the desktopversion to touch with extra drivers, but i cant still get a 12.04 touch iso
[14:17] <ganzeinfach> ok ogra
[14:17] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: there is no special touch version for the "old" desktops
[14:17] <ganzeinfach> but there was an 12.04alpha2, where is it now?
[14:18] <ogra_> alphas are wiped once the system gets released
[14:18] <ganzeinfach> it have tourchthings on it
[14:18] <k1l_> the touch hardware support is like nvidia video support. we dont make special nvidia desktop isos too. its just build in :)
[14:18] <ogra_> they are test images before release
[14:18] <ganzeinfach> its intel
[14:18] <ogra_> doesnt matter +
[14:19] <ogra_> we dont use (or know much about) the "normal" ubuntu in this channel
[14:19] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: my point is: you want a regular desktop iso. touch hardware support is build into the regular isos already.
[14:19] <ogra_> it is all about the new ubuntu for phones/tablets ... which is largely different from the isos you know
[14:19] <ogra_> go to #ubuntu-x or #ubuntu
[14:19] <ganzeinfach> I have a touchtab and I will a touch buntu old
[14:19] <ogra_> there is no such thing
[14:19] <ganzeinfach> okay :(
[14:20] <ogra_> there is the desktop image that has some touch features ... which seems to be what you want
[14:20] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: there is no seperation into touch and not touch ubuntus for desktop
[14:20] <ogra_> and for which you need to consult another channel
[14:20] <ganzeinfach> Note: You need Ubuntu 12.04, because the Psb_gfx drivers are already integrated in this version.
[14:21] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: doesnt say its removed after 12.04 :)
[14:21] <ganzeinfach> http://www.mogilowski.net/lang/en-us/2012/02/15/install-ubuntu-on-dell-latitude-st-tablet/
[14:21] <ganzeinfach> I dont won´t 14.04 on my tab, because 12.04 is the most stable OS I know
[14:21] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: look at the date. he links the alpha since 12.04 is in alpha state when he wrote that blog
[14:22] <ganzeinfach> yeah
[14:22] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: then just us a regular 12.04 iso.
[14:22] <ganzeinfach> but the regular will not install on my SSD Tab
[14:23] <ganzeinfach> It tell me the Installer and after it crashes. The error was something with ubiquitti
[14:23] <ganzeinfach> and keyboard is freezing
[14:24] <ganzeinfach> cant choose between language and cant switch between ubuntu live and ubuntu install
[14:24] <ogra_> right, try #ubuntu
[14:24] <ganzeinfach> ok
[14:24] <ogra_> (totally out of scope of this channel)
[14:24] <ganzeinfach> #ubuntu
[14:25] <ogra_> /join #ubuntu
[14:25] <ogra_> ;)
[14:26] <_Sponge> mhall119:  Is it #PresidentDay today ?
[14:27] <_Sponge> **PresidentsDay
[14:35] <mhall119> yes
[14:36] <_Sponge> mhall119: just noticed 'cos it's trending on twitter.
[14:44] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Still not happening. http://wiki2.ubports.com/auth/done
[14:46] <mariogrip> _Sponge: with github?
[14:47] <_Sponge> Maybe it's my ghostery thingy ... possibly uBlock dunno.
[14:49] <mariogrip> _Sponge: humm, I get error to... letme debug this
[14:49] <_Sponge> Ok, good luck : http://postimg.org/image/iqzuj7x9t/
[14:51] <Elleo> greyback: hey, thanks for working on the gyroscope stuff! When that lands I can finish off my ubuntu cardboard VR demo \o/
[14:51] <greyback> Elleo: heh, we had similar projects in mind :)
[14:54] <Elleo> greyback: cool
[15:00] <Arctic> Hey guys
[15:00] <Arctic> My Nexus 5 is stuck on the ubuntu boot screen  on both devel and devel-proposed
[15:00] <Arctic> any ideas of what might be wrong?  greyback Elleo _Sponge?
[15:00] <Arctic> I'm using multirom with CM13
[15:00] <Arctic> ran fine on my N7.  Thinking it might be leftover files but there shouldn't be any?
[15:01] <_Sponge> Does anyone have the github page for the MultiRom repo ?
[15:01] <Arctic> _Sponge: https://github.com/Tasssadar/multirom
[15:01] <Arctic> https://tasssadar.github.io/
[15:01] <_Sponge> thought so, cheers.
[15:02] <Arctic> they've updated it recently for cm13 and 6.0 devices so finally my nexus devices work with it on marshmallow
[15:02] <Elleo> Arctic: I'm not really familiar with the nexus 5 port or with multirom I'm afraid, so can't really help
[15:02] <greyback> Arctic: if you can "adb shell" in, perhaps some log files might explain.
[15:02] <Arctic> greyback: how would one do that?
[15:02] <Arctic> just when it's on the bootloader type that in terminal (have adb installed)
[15:02] <ogra_> Arctic, devel isnt expected to work at all ... you want rc-proposed
[15:03] <_Sponge> Arctic: Be good if you could raise an issue : https://github.com/Tasssadar/MultiROMMgr/issues
[15:03] <Arctic> _Sponge: not sure if it's an issue with multirom
[15:03] <Arctic> since it boots to the ubuntu screen
[15:03] <greyback> Arctic: after boot, while you say it has hung. It may be the UI has not come up, but everything else is ok
[15:03] <Arctic> greyback: yeah it seems to dim the screen
[15:03] <Arctic> it's odd
[15:04] <ogra_> not for devel, no
[15:05] <ogra_> it can break at any time, and gets not much QA attention
[15:05] <Arctic> ogra_: huh?
[15:05] <ogra_> rc-proposed is the development channel
[15:05] <Arctic> ok ill try that
[15:06] <Arctic> orgI don't have an rc-proposed
[15:06] <ogra_> devel is just the 16.04 image which hanst much developer focus currently ... its only a thing where code gets dumped in in parallel if it hits rc-proposed
[15:06] <Arctic> I have ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[15:06] <Arctic> ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed
[15:06] <Arctic> devel-proposed/ubuntu
[15:06] <Arctic> devel-proposed
[15:06] <Arctic> utopic
[15:06] <Arctic> utopic-proposed
[15:06] <Arctic> vivid
[15:06] <ogra_> 14.09 is obsolete
[15:06] <Arctic> vivid-proposed
[15:06] <Arctic> ogra_: I know that.....
[15:06] <Arctic> which one?
[15:06] <ogra_> heh, no idea ... looks like the server doesnt actually have rc-proposed ...
[15:07] <ogra_> no idea if tassadar renamed it
[15:07] <Arctic> ogra_: vivid and utopic are both outdated too
[15:07] <ogra_> i know dobey uses an N5 ... perhaps he can point you to the right channel name
[15:07] <Arctic> ;(
[15:07] <Arctic> I got charged 2p for IOPS from AWS
[15:07] <Arctic> dammit
[15:07] <Arctic> must have been before I switched to HDDs?
[15:08] <ogra_> i see the N5 on https://devices.ubports.com/ .... but that seems to only be the stable channel
[15:11] <Arctic> ogra_: who has a N5?
[15:11] <Arctic> will have to reach out to them and ask about it I guess
[15:11] <ogra_> i know dobey and nhaines do in this channel
[15:11] <mhall119> mariogrip: ok, trying u-d-f to get rev8
[15:11] <Arctic> ayy I was talking to nhaines last week ogra_
[15:11] <Arctic> Oh yeah that reminds me I meant to submit pictures to the desktop wallpaper thing
[15:14] <Arctic> Leaving my calander open in a pinned tab is super useful.  Just hop over and add deadlines and such
[15:14] <Arctic> interviews, deadlines, plans :)
[15:14] <Arctic> notifications on devices and via email.  I'm liking digital calanders
[15:16] <mhall119> mariogrip: well, it appeared to be flashing rev 8, but it still says it's on rev 6
[15:18] <mariogrip> ogra_: N5 is for rc and devel too http://system-image.ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/hammerhead/
[15:18] <mariogrip> mhall119: Did you flash it from recovery?
[15:18] <mhall119> yup
[15:19] <mhall119> no errors or anything from u-d-f, it rebooted to the Ubuntu upgrade splash screen, then rebooted back into Unity 8
[15:21] <mariogrip> can you check (from recovery) /cache/system-image-upgrader.log
[15:23] <mhall119> ~ # cat /cache/system-image-upgrader.log
[15:23] <mhall119> Starting image Upgrade pre
[15:23] <mhall119> Processing the command file
[15:23] <mhall119> that's all there was in that file
[15:27] <tathhu> mariogrip, what about n7 lte? :P (deb)
[15:28] <mhall119> tathhu: one device at a time, I've already claimed him for the Fairphone 2 ;)
[15:29] <tathhu> damn :D
[15:29] <popey> the wishlist is getting longer... FP2, OPO, OP2, OPX, DEB...
[15:29] <mariogrip> mhall119: Humm, maybe when you installed it, it installed the old recovery
[15:29] <mariogrip> from the system-server
[15:29] <mhall119> mariogrip: it does show Ubports Recovery again, instead of Cyanogen Recovery
[15:30] <mariogrip> mhall119: try install the recovery again https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img
[15:31] <mariogrip> popey: I get so many request on email for n6 and n5x
[15:31] <mariogrip> so, the list is pretty long
[15:31] <popey> send them a paypal link in reply ㋛
[15:31] <tathhu> Well, it's hard for me to see anything on N7 when it's "docked" on kbd so I'm waiting for M10 :D
[15:31] <mariogrip> popey: haha yeah :P
[15:31] <ogra_> popey, dont forget galaxy S7
[15:32] <popey> Wish there were more people who could help you mariogrip
[15:34] <mariogrip> popey: Yeah, I wish that too
[15:35] <mariogrip> ogra_: does samsung devices use fastboot?
[15:35] <ogra_> their own bastardized variant iirc
[15:36] <ogra_> accessible through some tool named after nordic gods ...odin, heimdal ?
[15:36] <mhall119> mariogrip: reflashed the recovery, still says Ubports Recovery, trying u-d-f again now
[15:37] <mariogrip> ogra_: lol, heimdal is not far from where i live...
[15:38] <mariogrip> mhall119: Yeah, I fixed the image
[15:39] <mariogrip> (also heimdal is a place in norway)
[15:39] <ogra_> :)
[15:42] <mhall119> mariogrip: worked! I'm no rev 8
[15:43] <mhall119> I'm *on* rev 8
[15:43] <mariogrip> mhall119: :)
[15:43] <mhall119> so, what's new from rev 6?
[15:54] <mhall119> mariogrip: rev8 doesn't have the fixed adbd, does it
[15:55] <sdk> What channel should I choose if I want the latest version of Ubuntu Touch (OTA-9) on my Nexus 4?
[15:55] <mariogrip> mhall119: it has some kernel improvements
[15:55] <mariogrip> mhall119: if you need adb http://people.ubuntu.com/~mariogrip/Ubuntu-touch/fp2/
[15:56] <mhall119> mariogrip: I still have those from last time, just ran it
[15:56] <ogra_> sdk, stable
[15:57] <sdk> ogra_: thanks :)
[15:57] <mhall119> kgunn: ogra_: either of you know of a command-line way to wake the screen if it turns off and the power button isn't working?
[15:57] <ogra_> there is a powerd-cli call you can use iirc
[15:57] <ogra_> but i dont remember the syntax
[15:58] <mariogrip> mhall119: That would not work, the power button seem to work, but it's something that seems to crash
[15:58] <mhall119> ah, nvm then ogra_ :)
[15:59] <mariogrip> mhall119: the weird thing is that you cannot restart mir after it has been started
[15:59] <mhall119> mariogrip: yeah, "powerd-cli listen" shows that powerd gets the button press event, and knows the state (on/off)
[15:59] <mariogrip> also, you can restart it, but the screen is black after restart
[15:59] <ogra_> mhall119, i think davmor2 uses the commaand regulary
[16:01] <davmor2> meh
[16:01] <mariogrip> mhall119: Is /firmware/image mounted?
[16:01] <davmor2> ogra_, mhall119: I just use it to keep the screen on while I get a gps reading :)
[16:01] <kgunn> mhall119: i do powerd-cli display on bright
[16:01] <mhall119> mariogrip: rebooting now, will let you know
[16:02] <mhall119> kgunn: running that gives: ** (process:2338): WARNING **: requestDisplayState failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.canonical.Unity.Screen was not provided by any .service files
[16:02] <mhall119> failed display request
[16:03] <mhall119> mariogrip: doesn't look like it
[16:03] <mhall119> mariogrip: also, now the screen turns off even while I'm touching it to keep it awake :(
[16:05] <mariogrip> mhall119: The screen bug it weird, ubp-5.1 works perfectly on the opo (I have even made a phone call, popey :)
[16:06] <mhall119> before it would stay on as long as I was touching it, but not anymore
[16:06] <popey> awwww
[16:06] <popey> you're teasing me
[16:07] <mariogrip> popey: I would release it, but I has a bad issue that it get really hot so i need to await it
[16:08] <popey> good call
[16:08] <mhall119> mariogrip: ah, got it to boot this time by touching it every 4-5 seconds,rather than constantly, so maybe the constant input was causing a crash
[16:09] <mariogrip> mhall119: humm, I need to get in contact with the mir team again, there is some bad issues going on here
[16:09] <mhall119> mariogrip: /firmware is a symlink to /android/firmware, which isn't mounted and isn't in fstab, can I mount it manually?
[16:12] <mariogrip> mhall119: I guess you can mount /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem
[16:12] <mhall119> to /android/firmware?
[16:12] <mariogrip> mhall119: Im not sure if that would work, haven't tested that on ut
[16:12] <mariogrip> yeah
[16:13] <mhall119> mount: special device /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem does not exist
[16:13] <mariogrip> oh, then that needs to be mounted with fstab
[16:24] <mhall119> yeah, that's not in fstab either
[16:26] <maszlo> i really want to test this operating system.  having a hard time justifying getting a phone that doesnt go beyond 2G speeds(TmobUS) would there be anything i would be missing if i got a 2013 nexus 7?
[16:27] <ogra_> maszlo, the nexus 4 should work rather well on US bands
[16:27] <ogra_> (and the N7 2013 (flo) is a supported device)
[16:27] <tathhu> (not that lte (deb) one.. :P)
[16:28] <tathhu> #saltytathhu
[16:28] <ogra_> well, the deb is community supported .,.. not all bits work (bluetooth doesnt i think)
[16:28] <maszlo> yeah stuff like hardware not working is what i was looking for issues with N7
[16:30] <maszlo> the N4 is just so old, always had poor camera.
[16:30] <mariogrip> _Sponge: I don't know why github wont work, but i added google that seems to be working
[16:30] <maszlo> guess an emulator might be my best efforts until something else is released.
[16:31] <ogra_> used N4's are cheap though
[16:31] <mariogrip> mhall119: that need to be fixed on android side
[16:31] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Ok, that'll do it. Thanks for talking to me 'bout it.
[16:32] <maszlo> true, N4 are cheap. but just like getting a current day one on 2G being painful so might a not so cutting edge device from 4 years ago (N4)
[16:34] <k1l_> the n4 is still a good device. it was a highclass device back than. and the n5 is not that far away performancewise.
[16:34] <ganzeinfach> Is there anyone running who running any ubuntu in a dell latitude ST Tablet 10.1"
[16:35] <ogra_> yeah, i heard it is faster then the MX4
[16:35] <ogra_> (i can live with a slightly slower device though ... getting *that* display and the camera is worth a little suffering :P )
[16:36] <ogra_> (though i have seen many people go back to their aquaris 4.5 recently ... just because it is so much less painful to use
[16:37] <maszlo> ogra_: because of compatibility or controls?
[16:38] <ogra_> maszlo, the bezen is to slim so the side gestures get lost at times ... the graphics driver is junk (like all SGX drivers) so you have some lag
[16:38] <ogra_> *bezel
[16:39] <ogra_> there is also a slight sharp edge on the frame that makes using the side gestures unpleasant
[16:39] <ogra_> ... and dont get me started about the "home button" :P
[16:39] <OerHeks> ganzeinfach, if i read this > http://www.linlap.com/dell_latitude_st_tablet  + GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=”poulsbo.blacklist=yes console=tty1 sdhci.debug_quirks=4″  .. poulsbo, i get the shivers.
[16:40] <OerHeks> poulsbo = gma500, obsolete since 11.04 i think
[16:40]  * k1l_ wonders what ubuntu-touch on a samsung galaxy edge would be like
[16:40] <ogra_> OerHeks, you mean beyond tha fact that this is off-topic here ?
[16:40] <ogra_> k1l_, yeah
[16:40] <OerHeks> ogra_, not sure, it is a tablet/touch, but 32 bit
[16:40] <ogra_> k1l_, the meizu 5 pro seems to have a slightly rounded edge by what i read
[16:41] <ogra_> OerHeks, this really isnt the channel for desktop install support though
[16:41] <ogra_> OerHeks, in general touch related suff for this goes to #ubuntu-x nowadays
[16:42] <OerHeks> ogra_, thanks, didn know that one. ganzeinfach join #ubuntu-x
[16:42] <maszlo> is the Aquaris M10 something that is just being field tested to see if they should run a production of them, or setup distribution to different markets? info on them is minimal
[16:42] <ogra_> maszlo, no, it will go into production
[16:42] <ogra_> and should be available world wide
[16:42] <ganzeinfach> OerHeks I was on the same websites, but its not possible to install this way, maybe its the Bios-Update from Dell. So I cant use the keyboard from the beginning and I was using 12.04 after using 12.04.5 and it was masspixelterror in the installprocess..
[16:42] <ogra_> but it has no modem
[16:43] <ganzeinfach> how often i should join any channel? I have open now ubuntu-touch, ubuntu, ubuntu+1
[16:43] <maszlo> yeah, one way about not feeling bad my phone is stuck at 2G speeds is not have any modem lol
[16:43] <ganzeinfach> and now ubuntu-x?
[16:44] <k1l_> i wonder if studio already bought a m10 :X
[16:44] <ogra_> ganzeinfach, well, you dont need to be here unless you have questions about unity8 based systems, which this channel is for
[16:44] <mcphail> ganzeinfach: you probably don't want to know how many channels I have open... ;)
[16:44] <mariogrip> The m10 is amazing, me want convergence :)
[16:44] <ogra_> mariogrip, +1
[16:44] <ganzeinfach> :)
[16:45] <ogra_> k1l_, lol
[16:45] <ogra_> k1l_, he hasnt shown up yet ... so i guess he ran out of money
[16:45] <ganzeinfach> ogra I am interested to get it working and if there is only the unity way, than I will use the unity..
[16:45] <k1l_> ganzeinfach: i dont think you will meet anyone running that 2011 tablet with ubuntu today. your best bet is to see for people who had this running and ask there.
[16:45] <ganzeinfach> true
[16:46] <mhall119> popey: mariogrip: I can't manually install the terminal app on the FP2, any ideas why? I get:
[16:46] <mhall119> Cannot install /home/phablet/Downloads/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.170_multi.click: Signature verification error: debsig: Failed verification for /home/phablet/Downloads/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.170_multi.click
[16:46] <mhall119> even using --allow-unauthenticated
[16:46] <mariogrip> mhall119: probably apparmor
[16:46] <ganzeinfach> but where to find them. Noone use Dell Latitude ST and if search on Youtube, there is no ubuntu on that tab as a tutorial
[16:46] <k1l_> ogra_: i just saw him on android-hilfe forums ranting against bq not providing new kernels for android.
[16:46] <mhall119> I can install uReadIt's click package
[16:47] <mariogrip> mhall119: oh, then I don't know,  --allow-unauthenticated should work
[16:47] <popey> mhall119: it's  --allow-untrusted
[16:47] <popey> not --allow-unauthenticated
[16:47] <mariogrip> oh
[16:48] <ganzeinfach> Well in normal Bios process the keyboard is working, but if I am loading the USB-Device with Ubuntu, it will let me not give a choice with my kb. Thats strange..
[16:48] <popey> mhall119: you're using pkcon, right? not click
[16:48] <mhall119> popey: right
[16:48] <popey> ok, good
[16:48] <mhall119> and yes, I used --allow-untrusted
[16:48] <popey> allow-untrusted then
[16:48] <mhall119> popey: I think the problem may be that the package is signed, but it can't verify the signature
[16:49] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1360582
[16:49] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1360582 in PackageKit "Can't manually install clicks "Signature verification error" since #205" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:49] <ogra_> heh, that bug will probably never get fixed
[16:50] <ogra_> (we might switch to snaps before ... )
[16:50] <popey> well, that bug is about desktop
[16:50] <popey> mhall119 isn't on desktop (I assume)
[16:50] <ogra_> (in which case --allow-unauthenticated is the right term then)
[16:50] <mhall119> ogra_: it was fixed by adding --allow-untrusted wasn't it?
[16:50] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[16:50] <popey> add both :)
[16:50] <mhall119> popey: no, on Fairphone 2
[16:50] <ogra_> mhall119, "worked around"
[16:52] <mhall119> and that bug is for unsigned packages
[16:52] <ogra_> indeed
[16:52] <mhall119> but I downloaded the terminal click from the store, so it is signed, it just fails to verify the signature
[16:53] <ogra_> i would simply expect click and snap to be clever enough to realize they install something from a local path ... so they could just set that themselves and simply print a warning
[16:53] <popey> mhall119: want a click that's not been near the store, to test?
[16:53] <mhall119> popey: yes please
[16:54] <mariogrip> popey: do you have the "cool" version of the music app, tried to compile it myself but something broke...
[16:54] <popey> ok, one moment
[16:54] <ogra_> mariogrip, whats "cool" about it ?
[16:54] <popey> uploading all my daily clicks
[16:54]  * ahayzen wonders what 'cool' version is
[16:54] <popey> hahah
[16:54] <popey> ahayzen: any one you have worked on ㋛
[16:54] <ogra_> does it play popey fart sounds all the time when pressing a button or some such ?
[16:54] <popey> haha
[16:55] <ahayzen> popey, obviously you are working on bug 1425590
[16:55] <ubot5`> bug 1425590 in Ubuntu Music App "Disco Mode Support" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425590
[16:55] <popey>  😃
[16:55] <mhall119> lol
[16:55] <mariogrip> I spotted this: https://code.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/music-streaming
[16:55] <ahayzen> mariogrip, ah :-)
[16:56] <mariogrip> :)
[17:00] <popey> mhall119: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/clicks/20160213-150001/
[17:00] <mhall119> oSoMoN: so webbrowser-app crashed on me on the desktop (not unusual) and apport is generating a crash report that is now over 100MB in size, is that normal?
[17:01] <mhall119> oSoMoN: and it just aborted with: Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze the problem and send a report to the developers."
[17:01] <popey> its a core dump, so yeah, all of the ram used by the program, it will be big
[17:02] <oSoMoN> mhall119, haven’t seen that before. I suggest you buy more RAM :)
[17:02] <ogra_> for bigger core dumps ?
[17:02] <popey> hah
[17:02] <mariogrip> mhall119: Download more ram  :)
[17:02] <mariogrip> google it
[17:02] <mhall119> apt-get install more-ram fails
[17:02] <mhall119> popey: installing the unsigned terminal app works
[17:02] <ogra_> thats because we dont use dpkg here
[17:02] <popey> \o/
[17:02] <oSoMoN> because of not enough free memory?
[17:03] <mhall119> snappy install more-ram
[17:03] <popey> I'M IN YOUR PHONE!
[17:03] <ogra_> click install more-ram
[17:03] <popey> (unconfined)
[17:03] <mhall119> popey: great, now fix it!
[17:03] <popey> mhall119: wonder if you need to have the click store deb installed?
[17:03] <popey> or whatever package brings in the gpg signatures
[17:04] <mhall119> popey: maybe it does that if I login to U1
[17:04] <mhall119> but without wifi, I can't do that
[17:04] <popey> doubt it
[17:04] <Elleo> mhall119: we could actually have a more-ram package that uses post-inst to create a swapfile...
[17:04] <mariogrip> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AdbNetworking :)
[17:04] <mhall119> or I can do that ^
[17:04] <ogra_> Elleo, lol
[17:04] <popey> mhall119: do you have unity-scope-click installed?
[17:05] <popey> (debian package)
[17:05] <mhall119> Elleo: then I'll need a more-disk-space package too, that creates a ramdisk in memory
[17:05] <Elleo> hehe
[17:05] <mhall119> popey: yup
[17:05] <ogra_> Elleo, sudo apt-get install swapspace
[17:05] <ogra_> i think that does it
[17:05] <ogra_> (creating swap files on demand)
[17:06] <Elleo> ogra_: oh wow
[17:06] <Elleo> that's cool
[17:06] <ogra_> (there was a recent discussion about it on ubuntu-devel@)
[17:07] <popey> mhall119: oooh click-ubuntu-policy do you have that?
[17:07] <popey> that has the gpg keyring
[17:07] <mhall119> 0.1 installed
[17:08] <mariogrip> oh wow, this worked: http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ I now have 32GB on my fairphone 2
[17:08] <mhall119> I've at least got a working terminal on the FP2 now \o/
[17:08] <popey> hmm, dunno then, strace the pkcon install that fails and we can look at it and see what fails :)
[17:08] <popey> yay
[17:08] <ogra_> mhall119, hacker !
[17:17] <mariogrip> popey: I stole the music app from your link, but it wont start :(
[17:17] <popey> logs?
[17:17] <popey> in .cache/upstart
[17:18]  * ogra_ bets there is a line "missing button-fart-sounds.mp3"
[17:19] <tathhu> =D
[17:20] <mariogrip> popey: what log file is it? no log for the music app
[17:20] <mhall119> mariogrip: let's skip the hangout today, since we're already well into it here on IRC
[17:20] <mariogrip> mhall119: that's up to you :) for me it's the same
[17:21] <mhall119> mariogrip: I'd say the priorities now are to make sure u-d-f always works (making sure it doesn't have the old broken recovery.img) and then getting wifi working so we can do OTA updates
[17:22] <mariogrip> popey: found it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15078193/
[17:22] <mhall119> I saw that Maaten and Wouter have gotten the flashing working
[17:23] <mariogrip> mhall119: the udf should work now, it's up to date
[17:23] <mhall119> awesome, then we just need wifi
[17:23] <dobey> ogra_, Arctic: you need to use system-image.ubports.com for the server, and i have ubuntu-touch/stable on my phone, but it has ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed as well (but i was having issues with that)
[17:23] <mariogrip> mhall119: I have set screen as priority 1, but I can get wifi
[17:23] <mhall119> mariogrip: also, can the recovery automatically mount /cache and /data so we don't have to keep doing that?
[17:24] <mhall119> mariogrip: I think wifi is more important, because it'll make getting updates in the future easier, but if you think you're close to having the screen issues fixed keep on that
[17:24] <popey> mariogrip: interesting, wonder if it's a sound problem?
[17:24] <mhall119> I set it to never shut the screen off, so as long as I get it past the bootsplash I'm fine
[17:25] <Arctic> dobey: how do I get multirom to use that?
[17:25] <Arctic> query me
[17:25] <popey> what image is your build based off mariogrip ?
[17:25] <mhall119> popey: while you're publishing coreapps, you wouldn't happen to have a dekko build for desktops would you?
[17:26] <popey> I don't, but I know dpm probably does in his special ppa
[17:26] <mhall119> dpm: you have a special PPA?
[17:26] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~dpm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:26] <mariogrip> mhall119: Yeah, I can switch to working on wifi, i need a break from mir
[17:26] <popey> built 45 mins ago
[17:26]  * dpm feels special :)
[17:26] <popey> You're special to us dpm :)
[17:26] <mhall119> mariogrip: I don't doubt it :)
[17:26] <mariogrip> popey: rc-proposed
[17:26] <dpm> awwww
[17:27] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, that's where I test dekko on the desktop
[17:27] <mariogrip> dpm: :)
[17:27] <mhall119> dpm: we only love you for your PPA :-P
[17:27] <popey> mariogrip: hmm, I don't know why music won't start then, does sound work on the FP2 build?
[17:27] <dpm> hahaha
[17:27] <popey> Looks like it tries to do some dbus things
[17:27] <mhall119> popey: not yet, not on mine anyway
[17:27] <mariogrip> popey: I installed it on bq 4.5
[17:27] <popey> oh!
[17:27] <popey> no idea then, sorry
[17:27] <popey> it's an untested daily build
[17:28] <popey> You get to keep the pieces
[17:28] <mhall119> dpm: what PPA do you use for dekko testing?
[17:28] <mariogrip> i'll try reboot, that always works
[17:28] <dpm> mhall119, https://launchpad.net/~dpm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:28] <popey> 17:26 < popey> https://launchpad.net/~dpm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:28] <popey> :)
[17:28] <dpm> I've got all core apps building daily there
[17:28] <dpm> except from file manager
[17:28] <mhall119> thanks
[17:29] <dpm> as I've not found a good way to resolve the conflict with the shared plugin with Terminal
[17:29] <mariogrip> popey: well, reboot worked xP
[17:30] <mariogrip> awww, this is not the "cool" version...
[17:32] <mariogrip> mhall119: I see the smoose guys is on the hangout list, are they joining?
[17:34] <mhall119> mariogrip: they hadn't before
[17:34] <mhall119> I just joined the hangout and nobody is there, so likely not
[17:34] <mariogrip> oh, ok. are we skipping it?
[17:34] <mhall119> yeah, let's just continue the discussion here
[17:35] <mariogrip> mhall119: ok
[17:39] <dobey> Arctic: i don't know. i don't use multirom. and i'm not really here today
[17:39] <Arctic> ;(
[17:39] <Arctic> alright dobey
[17:39] <Arctic> thx anyway :)
[17:41] <Arctic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9aLYSntTQ
[17:41] <mhall119> mariogrip: do you want me to arrange a call with tvoss later this week for the screen/mir issue?
[17:41] <Arctic> wrong channel
[17:41] <Arctic> sorry
[17:41]  * mhall119 assumes that was the Mir break you needed
[17:41] <mariogrip> mhall119: Yeah, that would be great :)
[17:44] <mhall119> dpm: hmmm, dekko gets itself into an endless loop, printing handleDataChanged >>> MESSAGE ###### NOT ARRIVED YET when it tried to open an account's inbox
[17:44] <mhall119> popey: DanChapman: ^^ on the desktop, btw
[17:44]  * dpm starts dekko on desktop
[17:45] <mhall119> and it's repeating numbers for ######, they're not all unique, so something seems to be stuck in a loop
[17:45] <dpm> I remember having this issue
[17:45] <dpm> I think I even filed a bug
[17:45] <dpm> oh, my accounts were lost
[17:46] <DanChapman> mhall119, yeah that's a known issue. Try letting the first flag sync finish before letting dekko go into the background. Bug in the notification worker.
[17:47] <mhall119> DanChapman: I'm running it on Unity 7, is backgrounding a thing here?
[17:47]  * ogra_ finds the separation between IMAP and SMTP accounts weird
[17:47] <ogra_> is that a design team thing ?
[17:47] <dpm> mhall119, https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1543065
[17:47] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1543065 in Dekko "Dekko uses 100% CPU on the desktop" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:48] <DanChapman> mhall119, yeah it's a thing. If Dekko isn't the active app then the notificiations service kicks in
[17:48] <DanChapman> ogra_, no that's a bug in the setup wizard. It should ask you if you want to add the smtp config while setting up imap. But it's only working if autoconfig finds your settings. It's on my priorities list
[17:49] <ogra_> DanChapman, ah, i actually use google for outgoing stuff, that explains it then (indeed there is no config for google on my local IMAP server)
[17:54] <mhall119> DanChapman: well, if I leave it as the active app, I just get a white screen and nothing else
[17:58] <DanChapman> mhall119, any other errors in the log? White screen usually means somethings missing
[18:44] <mhall119> DanChapman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15080553/ is from letting it sit for several minutes and then closing the window
[18:44] <mhall119> the last line only appears when I close it
[18:45] <DanChapman> mhall119, ahhh are you on wiley? I see ile:///usr/share/dekkoproject/dekko/qml/Composer/Composer.qml:166 ScrollView is not a type. which afaik is only available on xenial or with the phone overlay ppa
[18:46] <mhall119> oh, ok, that explains it
[18:47] <mhall119> mariogrip: I've not heard from tvoss yet about the Wednesday meeting, so it may get moved or canceled depending on his availability
[18:47] <mhall119> I didn't see anything on his work calendar, but that doesn't mean he's not consumed by WMC stuff
[18:53] <mariogrip> mhall119: ack, I have time all week after about 14.00 so that's fine
[19:27] <howefield>  #category5
[19:28] <howefield> sorry, typo
[19:44] <tathhu> Can i somehow disable scren turning on when I got new notification from eg telegram?
[19:45] <ogra_> well, you could put something on top of the proximity sensor
[19:45] <ogra_> if ti is covered the screen wont turn on (i,e, in your pocket)
[19:46] <ogra_> there is no setting though
[21:05] <mcphail> jhodapp: thanks for the fix for the # character blockage in the music app. looking forward to getting this
[21:05] <jhodapp> mcphail, sure thing, you can test it out with silo 21 if you're curious to try it
[21:05] <ahayzen> ooo there is a fix \o/
[21:05] <ahayzen> jhodapp, for OTA10 ?
[21:06] <jhodapp> ahayzen, yeah should be there
[21:06] <ahayzen> sweet, thanks jhodapp :-)
[21:06] <jhodapp> no problem :)
[21:06] <mcphail> jhodapp: might try that. Your hard work is much appreciated
[21:07] <jhodapp> mcphail, thanks!
[21:18] <Arctic> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/02/ubuntu-phone-fingerprint-biometric-blockchain-ethereum
[22:17] <_Sponge> mariogrip: I was wondering if you'd the Acer iconia a200 to the list of ubports ?
[22:17] <_Sponge> http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/acer-iconia-a200/2281
[22:39] <mariogrip> _Sponge: No, https://devices.ubports.com/#/
[22:40] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Cud you add it to the Voting Devices , at all ?
[22:41] <mariogrip> _Sponge: Yeah, sure :)
[22:41] <_Sponge> cheers, I shall update the discourse page, appropriately.
[22:43] <_Sponge> mariogrip: have you set up a bTC wallet/box yet ?
[22:44] <mariogrip> _Sponge: Just for some of the devices, but will add a automatic system there (I need to separate the address so I know what device it's going to
[22:45] <_Sponge> ok, let me know, when it happens, & I'll comply for the iconia.
[22:45] <mariogrip> https://devices.ubports.com/#/A200
[22:50] <_Sponge> mariogrip: ok, i did a  tester donation. cheers.
[22:50] <mariogrip> _Sponge: Thank you! :)
[22:57] <_Sponge> mariogrip: just need to change the donationns bar, but I'll leave that till tomorrow. Thanks.
[22:57] <NwS> A few more days
[23:48] <ajeck> I'm trying to force my broadcom wifi adapter's power savings mode off.  I've tried various approaches like adding a hook to the power.d and sleep.d.  Found out that systemd installs no longer respect those hooks and then made a systemd service that then executes iwconfig wlan0 power off on boot and that didn't work either.  The only thing that seems to have worked a little is setting a dispatcher.d for NetworkMonitor
[23:49] <ajeck> but after a while if i unplug the device or it sits for a few hours it switches back to power save mode
[23:49] <ajeck> any other ideas?


[12:34] (mdke/#ubuntu-doc) bloody hell
[12:34] (mdke/#ubuntu-doc) i don't envy the person who has to read that
[12:35] <LaserJock> mdke: can I get the svn branch you are working on?
[12:35] <mdke> sure it's branches/breezy
[12:35] <mdke> seems like basically everything is in the debdiff
[12:37] <mdke> LaserJock, I haven't committed any of the built package naturally
[12:37] <mdke> do i need to pass any flags to debdiff?
[12:38] <LaserJock> ok so did you do have the two .dsc files?
[12:38] <mdke> yes
[12:39] <LaserJock> so did you do debdiff first.dsc second.dsc ?
[12:40] <mdke> yeah
[12:40] <mdke> all hell broke loose
[12:41] <LaserJock> ok, just a sec, I'm building the breezy source package
[12:41] <mdke> the new one?
[12:41] <LaserJock> yes
[12:41] <mdke> cool
[12:42] <mdke> it will take a long time
[12:43] <LaserJock> doing the debdiff now
[12:43] <mdke> how did it build so fast?
[12:44] <mdke> hiya rob1
[12:44] <rob1> hi mdke
[12:44] <LaserJock> ok, so the debdiff is 11
[12:44] <LaserJock> Mb
[12:45] <LaserJock> because of all the .svn
[12:45] <mdke> hmm
[12:46] <mdke> ahh
[12:46] <mdke> LaserJock, so how did you build it so quick?
[12:46] <rob1> just reading your email about the meeting mdke
[12:47] <rob1> sounds like a good idea
[12:47] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm just good ;-)
[12:47] <mdke> rob1, cool :)
[12:47] <LaserJock> mdke: what command did you use to build the source package?
[12:47] <mdke> LaserJock, debuild
[12:48] <mdke> rob1, ah good i've timed it right then. When is good for the meeting?
[12:48] <LaserJock> hhmm, I used debuild also but I started it before I told you so maybe it was the same amount of time
[12:48] <mdke> LaserJock, did it build all the localised stuff?
[12:48] <theCore> what are you doing, guys ?
[12:49] <mdke> LaserJock, so I take it the breezy package wasn't built with all the .svn stuff then?
[12:51] <rob1> mdke, any time apart from 0400z onwards today
[12:51] <LaserJock> mdke: where there many revisions after the package (that is currently in breezy) was made?
[12:51] <mdke> LaserJock, none
[12:52] <mdke> to my knowledge
[12:52] <mdke> rob1, so not today
[12:52] <mdke> rob1, what day?
[12:52] <LaserJock> ok, then I think that the .svn's must have been removed
[12:53] <rob1> if its today, some time in the next four hours is good
[12:53] <mdke> rob1, me too
[12:53] <mdke> Madpilot, how about you?
[12:53] <theCore> can i do something to help ?
[12:54] <mdke> theCore, i think I will ask the same developer that took care of the breezy package to help
[12:55] <theCore> mdke, ok
[12:55] <LaserJock> mdke: I think I got it
[12:55] <mdke> rob1, LaserJock cool
[12:59] <rob1> wazzup?
[12:59] <mdke> nah, i mean cool on freenode
[12:59] <rob1> oh yeah :0
[12:59] <rob1> :)
[01:05] <LaserJock> mdke: I thought you were telling rob1 that I was cool j/k
[01:05] <rob1> heh
[01:05] <mdke> that too
[01:05] <mdke> especially if you can fix my package
[01:08] <LaserJock> well, I got rid of the .svn stuff so now the debdiff is 741k
[01:08] <mdke> hmm
[01:08] <LaserJock> but there is still a lot of differences
[01:08] <rob1> oh god, theres a crazy frog christmas song..
[01:08] <mdke> LaserJock, which files?
[01:09] <LaserJock> it looks to be translation related
[01:09] <mdke> oh shit
[01:09] <mdke> i guess jeff built some new translations and didn't commit them
[01:09] <LaserJock> a german version of the faqguide?
[01:09] <mdke> LaserJock, the docs are translated, yeah :)
[01:10] <mdke> ok lemme try this package
[01:11] <mdke> http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/breezy/
[01:11] <mdke> if anyone wants to test
[01:11] <LaserJock> ok, I got 27 files changed
[01:11] <mdke> LaserJock, i'm not _that_ bothered because we were going to do translation update anyhow
[01:12] <mdke> i wanna see if it works
[01:12] <mdke> :)
[01:12] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5568
[01:13] <LaserJock> but does such a large debdiff make it less likely to get in breezy-updates?
[01:13] <mdke> hmm
[01:14] <mdke> i don't think so now
[01:14] <mdke> LaserJock, any idea what the changes to faqguide.css are?
[01:14] <Burgwork> LaserJock, depends on what is in the debdiff
[01:14] <Burgwork> LaserJock, raw text will not make it harder, IMHO
[01:14] <LaserJock> mdke: just a sec
[01:14] <mdke> also, gnome/Makefile worries me
[01:15] <mdke> so does libs/faqguide-html*
[01:16] <LaserJock> the only difference in faqguide.css is ".revhistory { font-size: 20%; }"
[01:16] <mdke> ah...
[01:16] <mdke> thanks
[01:17] <mdke> we don't ship the faqguide html anyway, so it doesn't matter
[01:17] <mdke> lol
[01:18] <LaserJock> in gnome/Makefile many of the changes are related to adding --xinclude to xsltproc
[01:18] <mdke> ok
[01:18] <mdke> no problem
[01:18] <mdke> i think actually none of those files are actually in the package
[01:19] <LaserJock> anyway, what I did to get the the debuild to work is I added -I.svn
[01:19] <mdke> ah cool thanks
[01:19] <LaserJock> that will exclude all the .svn directories from being included in the .orig.tar.gz file
[01:21] <LaserJock> -i might work too
[01:22] <mdke> i've done this:
[01:22] <mdke> ubuntu-doc@hudson:~$ cat .devscripts
[01:22] <mdke> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-I.bzr -I.svn"
[01:24] <rob1> I guess no dg meeting today?
[01:25] <mdke> rob1, i think it would probably be a bit short notice
[01:25] <mdke> i would be up for it, but I'd like a few more peeps
[01:25] <rob1> who do you want to be here for it?
[01:25] <mdke> Madpilot, whoever else
[01:25] <mdke> jjesse said he was interested
[01:26] <rob1> yeah, the kubuntu guys have been bugging for a copy of the dg, so the quicker we get this soughted out and done the better :)
[01:26] <mdke> yeah
[01:28] <mdke> jeez
[01:28] <mdke> the package is building all the localised html, even though we don't ship it
[01:28] <mdke> what a pain
[01:28] <mdke> i might cut it out
[01:36] <rob1> mdke, are you messing with the dg currently?
[01:36] <mdke> rob1, nope
[01:40] <LaserJock> mdke: how long does it usually take to get commit access to the doc-team repo?
[01:40] <mdke> LaserJock, a decent time :(
[01:40] <LaserJock> ok
[01:44] <rob1> About Ubuntu -> What is Ubuntu looks like it was taken from Wikipedia (I got it from the UG though), should we ditch it?
[01:45] <mdke> we can rework it if necessary i think
[01:45] <mdke> maybe draw from the About Ubuntu doc
[01:45] <rob1> what a pita
[01:46] <mdke> if it overlaps with About Ubuntu, and we decide to ship About ubuntu, we can ditch it
[01:46] <rob1> I'd still like to keep something brief along those lines though in there
[01:47] <mdke> well, if we ship both, we can interlink them
[01:52] <LaserJock> i gotta go, cya all
[02:01] <Kingbahamut> lambert
[02:16] <lambert_> kb,
[02:17] <Kingbahamut> aye sir
[02:18] <lambert_> just replying, moving slow
[02:18] <Kingbahamut> ahh
[02:18] <Kingbahamut> Wasnt Todd Lambert a basketball player in America?
[02:18] <lambert_> ?? not sure
[02:18] <theCore> ls
[02:18] <lambert_> I only know jack lambert of the 70's steelers
[02:18] <Kingbahamut> ahh
[02:21] <Bonzodog> https://launchpad.net/people/bonzodog01/
[02:21] <Bonzodog> I have signed it
[02:23] <manicka> hoot.... well done
[02:24] <Kingbahamut> lol
[02:24] <Kingbahamut> bout time bonz
[03:27] <theCore> #ubuntu has been attacked
[03:28] <mdke> happened in #launchpad earlier today
[03:28] <Madpilot> under control now
[03:29] <mdke> hey Madpilot
[03:29] <theCore> it was crazy
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> I hate it when that happens
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> they determine who?
[03:30] <mdke> Madpilot, see my mail about a quick meeting on the desktopguide?
[03:30] <Madpilot> mdke: I did, haven't had time to respond yet
[03:30] <mdke> Madpilot, cool :)
[03:31] <theCore> Kingbahamut, not yet
[03:31] <mdke> my mail is lagging 10-24 hours behind
[03:31] <mdke> Kingbahamut, just script kiddies
[03:31] <mdke> setting -R or -r on the channel should do the trick
[03:32] <Bonzodog> mdke: have signed the CoC tonight
[03:33] <mdke> Bonzodog, hello, glad to hear it
[03:34] <Bonzodog> thanks :)
[04:01] <manicka> Bonzo: How does it feel to be an ubuntero?
[04:01] <Bonzodog> it's good
[04:02] <Bonzodog> It feels like I can really count myself in now to making a contribution
[04:20] <Kingbahamut> lol
[04:20] <Kingbahamut> Bonz left
[04:20] <Kingbahamut> darn
[04:21] <lambert_> kb, do you get my responses back?
[05:30] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[10:17] <robotgeek> hi, i think the packaging guide here has a few error. it's in draft, so i tht i would let you guys know?
[10:17] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:18] <Madpilot> robotgeek: are you on the -doc mailing list?
[10:18] <robotgeek> Madpilot: no,
[10:18] <robotgeek> i can join up real quick,though
[10:19] <robotgeek> okay, an i just point out the errors, and you guys take care of it :)
[10:19] <Madpilot> given that it's dead here, you might be best to sent mail to the list pointing out the typos
[10:19] <robotgeek> i don't mind making changes to the source and submitting patches
[10:19] <rob1> I'll be back in the next 20 minutes or so
[10:20] <Madpilot> robotgeek: OK, if you want to do the DocBook changes & send the diffs, that would be even faster
[10:20] <robotgeek> hmm, i'm just starting out on the guide . but yes, i'll ping back in here, i guesss
[10:21] <robotgeek> okie, there's only one error i found, well maybe 2
[10:22] <robotgeek> oh well, i think that link is outdated
[10:22] <robotgeek> Madpilot: nvm, i think it's been fixed. sorry for the alarm
[10:23] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is the correct url.
[10:24] <robotgeek> maybe someone should remove the draft copy at http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/index.html . thanks, and sorry for the error
[11:30] <robotgeek> rob1,Madpilot mailed the errors
[11:30] <rob1> ok
[11:31] <robotgeek> i was trying to learn to package :)
[11:31] <robotgeek> rob1: thanks, cya around
[11:31] <rob1> thats a good way to discover bugs in the docs :)
[11:31] <rob1> cya
[11:31] <robotgeek> lol
[01:10] <mdke> LaserJock_, pong
[03:37] <jsgotangco> hey all
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[03:47] <Belutz> jsgotangco, http://belutz.blogspot.com/2005/12/ubuntu-in-debian-conference-ii.html
[03:54] <jsgotangco> ahh!!
[03:55] <Belutz> ahh ??
[03:55] <Belutz> by the way, miss philipines is very very pretty :D
[04:03] <jsgotangco> miss philippines of?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> well yeah we do have incrediby beautiful ladies over here
[04:04] <Belutz> hmm there's a miss world competition in TV right now, and miss philippines made it to semi final
[04:06] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:06] <Belutz> :)
[04:06] <Belutz> miss indonesia didn't make it
[04:07] <jsgotangco> Belutz: a few months ago, the philippines won Miss International in Japan...
[04:07] <Belutz> wow
[04:07] <Belutz> maybe i should move out to philippines :D
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:08] <jsgotangco> Belutz: http://preciouslara.thequigamans.com/
[04:08] <Belutz> wow
[04:09] <jsgotangco> i dunno why our country is so involved in beauty pageants :D
[04:10] <Belutz> hahaha
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> need a break from documenting? ;)
[04:10] <Belutz> Kamping_Kaiser, lol
[04:12] <Belutz> jsgotangco, she's very pretty
[04:12] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:12] <jsgotangco> oh i agree
[04:12] <Belutz> jsgotangco, i think it's in http://www.missworld.tv if i'm not mistaken
[04:13] <jsgotangco> http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=51619
[04:13] <Belutz> yup, that's the one
[04:14] <Belutz> and miss korea :p
[04:14] <jsgotangco> i saw a lot of beautiful women in seoul
[04:14] <Belutz> wew
[04:16] <jsgotangco> Belutz: miss indonesia ain't bad either
[04:16] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yup
[04:17] <jsgotangco> actually the asia pacific group is stunning
[04:17] <jsgotangco> http://www.missworld.tv/contestants/asian.sps?iType=10599&icustompageid=15590
[04:17] <Belutz> http://www.infoartis.com/Mariana_Renata/Mariana_Renata.htm <--- very pretty indonesian girl, she's in lux's soap advertising
[04:18] <Belutz> i really like oriental looks :p
[04:18] <Belutz> Kamping_Kaiser, err.. we are documenting pretty asian girls... lol
[04:18] <jsgotangco> Belutz: most of our commercials are just passed on to each other in the Asean region...
[04:18] <jsgotangco> we also get thai advertisments...
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Belutz
[04:19] <Belutz> jsgotangco, i see
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* we get lumped with US and GB ads here in Australia.
[04:21] <jsgotangco> Belutz: have you seen this http://gadgets.fosfor.se/the-top-10-weirdest-usb-drives-ever/
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i bought the tempura style USB a few months ago
[04:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:22] <Belutz> yes, my friend bought a sushi USB
[04:22] <Belutz> hehehe
[04:22] <jsgotangco> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000270051750/
[04:22] <Belutz> one of each kind
[04:23] <jsgotangco> i've seen the dimsum usb before...
[04:23] <jsgotangco> i should have bought one
[04:24] <Belutz> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000090038615/ <--- cool
[04:24] <jsgotangco> haha crazy japanese devices
[04:25] <Belutz> yup
[04:25] <Belutz> lol
[04:45] <jsgotangco> see you guys later i have to wake up early
[04:46] <jsgotangco> :D
[06:44] <jjesse> working on the typos that dholabach mentioned to mailing list i'll commit them
[07:47] <mdke> jjesse, did you commit that already?
[07:51] <jjesse> mdke: no i didn't
[07:51] <mdke> ah k
[07:52] <jjesse> mdke: should i then?
[07:52] <mdke> jjesse, if you're done with it, yeah :)
[07:52] <jjesse> mdke: ok
[07:53] <jjesse> ok should be committed
[07:54] <mdke> thanks dude
[07:54] <jjesse> no problem i'm at work for 12 hours on a saturday upgrading to a new AS/400
[07:55] <mdke> ouch
[07:55] <jjesse> so i'mm sitting here waiting for full system saves to finissh
[07:55] <mdke> commit hasn't come through yet :(
[07:57] <jjesse> hmm let me check
[07:57] <mdke> it's at 2200 right now
[07:59] <jjesse> Committed revision 2201.
[08:02] <mdke> thanks :)
[08:04] <jjesse> no problem, like i said, have lots of free time today :)
[08:06] <LaserJock> mdke: what is the difference between http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/ and http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ ?
[08:07] <jjesse> i would argue that gneric/ would be the one you would want to edit
[08:09] <LaserJock> but in the repo there is no ubuntu/packagingguide
[08:12] <jjesse> LaserJock: it must have been moved to gneric/packagingguide and not removed from doc.ubuntu.com
[08:13] <jjesse> mdke: can you confirm that?
[08:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought it was always in generic but I could be wrong
[08:24] <jjesse> the svn repo is probablly more current LaserJock
[08:24] <LaserJock> oh well, I just noticed that somebody got confused about it
[08:34] <mdke> it is online at ubuntu/packaginguigde
[08:34] <mdke> but in the repo at generic/packagingguide
[08:34] <mdke> LaserJock, ^^
[08:35] <LaserJock> ok
[08:35] <LaserJock> how often is the ubuntu one updated?
[08:36] <mdke> each day
[08:37] <LaserJock> hmm, I haven't changed the packaging guide for a while but robotgeek said that they weren't the same
[08:37] <mdke> no, ok i've deleted the wrong one
[08:39] <LaserJock> which one is that?
[08:39] <mdke> it was online at generic/packagingguide by accident
[08:39] <LaserJock> ok
[08:40] <mdke> the correct one is the one linked on the homepage :)
[08:40] <LaserJock> k