[21:27] <geodome> we all face learning curves at some time
[21:27] <Hondo_Kitsune> Bad_Magic: The Graphics processor is capped in Linux mode, sony has desigened it like that to stop making it work properly with emulatiors
[21:27] <geodome> lol
[21:28] <gaintsura> yem2: absolutely... try learning the Amazon webservice
[21:28] <Seveas> Bad_Magic, as someone close to a MSc. in that field: even more :)
[21:28] <JC_Denton_> trying to share my internet connection but firestarter says eth1 is not ready. eth1 is up. won't be using dhcp unless necessary
[21:28] <Hondo_Kitsune> stops people geting a PS2 or PS1 emulator etc and installing it on PS3 Linux
[21:28] <geodome> lol
[21:28] <geodome> hacking ps3
[21:28] <Bad_Magic> Hondo:  but it works fine using a fullscreen ps3 buffer, but as soon as i use fbset to try to reign in the overscan it blows up again
[21:28] <Bad_Magic> argh
[21:28] <Bad_Magic> =x
[21:28] <yem2> The tactic i've always used is to keep trucking :P
[21:29] <yem2> and eventially I kinda get it, then after awhile i actully know what i'm doing
[21:29] <keithclark> yem2:  Yes, never give up, never surrender.
[21:29] <guntbert> !ot | yem2
[21:29] <Seveas> yem2, "just keep swimming, just keep swimming" :)
[21:30] <JC_Denton_> Why would firestarter report eth1 as not ready?
[21:30] <gaintsura> JC_Denton_: perhaps because firestarter was initialized before eth1 was ready?
[21:30] <Bad_Magic> its like snes9x is barfing because its not a standard resolution
[21:30] <Bad_Magic> its odd to say the least
[21:30]  * Bad_Magic ponders
[21:30] <JC_Denton_> gaintsura: nope. I ensure eth1 was up first
[21:31] <gaintsura> JC_Denton_: dunno then
[21:31] <Bad_Magic> i wonder if the psubuntu version of II will have all this stuff worked out... the ps3 ports definitely lack the normal polish you see with ubuntu
[21:31] <Bad_Magic> then again PPC is barely supported in general now that macs are x86...
[21:31] <Bad_Magic> but i digress
[21:32] <digitalfiz> sony uses ppc in the ps3?
[21:32] <GSH> digitalfiz - the main CPU in the PS3 is a PPC-variant from Intel.
[21:32] <guntbert> !ot
[21:32] <digitalfiz> you mean ibm right
[21:33] <GSH> err, yes, IBM
[21:33] <jorrit> digitalfiz, yes PPC is from IBM
[21:33] <digitalfiz> so they did cheap out glad i didnt buy a ps3
[21:33] <Bad_Magic> but the only major consumer product that used them in recent memory would be macs
[21:33] <digitalfiz> bet ppc is real cheap now that apple dumped them
[21:33] <Bad_Magic> up until what... 2 years ago?
[21:33] <GSH> IBM made custom PPC variants for the PS3 and XBox 360. Removed OutOfOrder Execution (OOE) in order to get clockspeed up. And other useful things
[21:34] <Kruzen> can anyone offer any help in uninstalling this? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/crypt-manager-an-encrypted-folder-manager-for-ubuntu-linux.html
[21:35] <GSH> Playstation 1 & 2 were MIPS variants. Then they went PPC+Cell for PS3
[21:36] <Pirate_Hunter> i wish to see every app installed currently by me through apt-get & aptiude
[21:36]  * guntbert doesn't want to read about ps3, ps2, ... in #ubuntu
[21:36] <Seveas> Pirate_Hunter, dpkg --get-selections or dpkg -l (depending on which info you want)
[21:37] <Seveas> Pirate_Hunter, or the 'installed' filter in synaptic
[21:37] <Bad_Magic> anyone have any theories why full screen would work fine using 'fullscreen' ps3-video-mode and not when just using a 720p video mode?
[21:37] <Kruzen> Seveas, any advice for me? :)
[21:37] <Bikerbob_> well thanks for the effort guys.. will have to try again another day
[21:37] <Seveas> Kruzen, don't eat yellow snow
[21:38] <Bad_Magic> even bad theories might help
[21:38] <Kruzen> Thats a good one to remember
[21:38] <Bad_Magic> lol
[21:38] <Pirate_Hunter> i really dont know where my file are going to when deleted in gnome-commander, i know for sure they arent going to trash :/
[21:38] <Kruzen> But really, I have a good grasp on using apt and such, but have no idea where files are going when I use these peoples python installers and such
[21:38] <jlewis_> Can someone help me with OpenDNS on my Ubuntu? OpenDNS says I'm using it, I have the right DNS numbers, but I can still access rubbish. Thoughts?
[21:38] <Kruzen> crawling through the .py didn't help much either
[21:38] <Seveas> Pirate_Hunter, so gnome-commander and rox-filer are both screwing with you? Sure you don't want to stick to nautilus? :)
[21:39] <Bikerbob_> if I want to startup at run level 3  my kernel argument would be root=/dev/sda5, 3    - right seperate with a comma and just the #3?
[21:39] <yem2> is there a hot key for opening the terminal?
[21:40] <Seveas> Kruzen, ugh... an install.sh for a python program. The person who wrote that needs to be educated with a large stick about distutils.
[21:40] <Pirate_Hunter> Seveas: was thinking of going into good ol' thunar before decide to do the whole no show desktop in menu, funny enough this si my main system and runs well with gnome and nautilus but ive got that itch that i want really fast response system
[21:40] <Uplink> why does my wine window keep disappearing everytime i switch workstations?
[21:40] <Seveas> Pirate_Hunter, not trying to belittle you, but have you looked at the docs for rox/g-c to find out where their trash is stored/
[21:41] <Seveas> ?
[21:41] <jorrit> yem2, you can define a hot key for any program, but Ctrl+Alt+F1 will put you back in the first main terminal, from which you can return to your graphical environment using Ctrl+Alt+F7
[21:41] <yem2> thx jorrit
[21:41] <csilk> anyone know what version of netbeans is in the repository before i download it?
[21:41] <Seveas> yem2, system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts. There you can set a shorcut to open a terminal gui like gnome-terminal
[21:41] <Bikerbob_> is that right people? I need to boot into run level 3 because I have messed my Xorg and I get just a black screen on boot
[21:41] <jorrit> yem2, np
[21:41] <Warkro> anyone here have any luck with ustream and usb quickcam mic
[21:41] <noodlesgc> !netbeans
[21:42] <noodlesgc> !info netbeans
[21:42] <Seveas> csilk, apt-cache policy netbeans should show you
[21:42] <Xecration> Woot finally got php/apache/mysql to work with php 5.3 =P
[21:42] <Pirate_Hunter> Seveas: why didnt i think of that :( i guess i was so wrapped up in complainign that i forgot
[21:42] <csilk> thanks Seveas
[21:42] <d0wn> I'm trying to share a connection via iptables and a modification to my sysctl.conf, however, the line i put in the sysctl.conf just isn't working after reboots
[21:42] <Xecration> if anyone else in the room wants to get php5.3 into action and is having trouble, check out http://www.phpmelb.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69:installing-php-53&Itemid=1 great article, saved me tons of time
[21:42] <Seveas> Pirate_Hunter, that tends to happen when things don't go as you want. Good cup of coffee (or whatever you prefer) helps :)
[21:43] <Bikerbob_> how do I set runlevel as a kernel arguement?
[21:43] <Sigg3> Hi everyone
[21:43] <jorrit> Xecration, nice link..:-)
[21:43] <matt0009> #ubuntu-us-mo
[21:43] <Firefishe> I would like to know if ubuntu's synaptic can be used with a stock debian installation or not.
[21:43] <Seveas> Bikerbob_, runlevels are obsolete. Runlevel 2, 3, 4 and 5 are the same in ubuntu. upstart (init replacement) will not use runlevels in the near-ish future
[21:43] <Sigg3> I'm doing an installation of Ubuntu 8.04 on my gf's machine, and I get to the Partition editor and it reports my disk size wrong
[21:43] <fr4nk-k> Firefishe: i think so.
[21:44] <_Zeus_> Sigg3: pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l
[21:44] <Bikerbob_> so how do I stop the Xorg from loading?
[21:44] <jorrit> Firefishe, try apt-get install synaptic, if that works it will install synaptic using debian variables
[21:44] <jordan[]> well i use wireless on my pc, but my wireless isnt working, im on ethernet right now but i need to get wireless working
[21:44] <Seveas> Bikerbob_, sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[21:44] <JC_Denton_> trying to share my internet connection but firestarter says eth1 is not ready. eth1 is up. won't be using dhcp unless necessary
[21:44] <Hondo_Kitsune> Firefishe: if not adept install synaptic
[21:44] <Bikerbob_> CANT GET INTO THE INSTALL ANYMORE
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> hey all, does nayone use fluxbox?
[21:45] <Sigg3> Zeus: Sry, I'm on another machine now. But I can run that command. I get<PHONE_NUMBER>MB on a 250GB disk..
[21:45] <Bikerbob_> I need to enter a kernel argument
[21:45] <Hondo_Kitsune> Bikerbob_: Load in safemode... hold on while i try and remember how to do that
[21:45] <d0wn> JC_Denton: assign an ip to eth1
[21:45] <Firefishe> jorrit: oh, it's installed by default.  What I don't like is the repository system in the standard synaptic.  I prefer ubuntu's, and am only using stock debian because one, this machine is loaner, and two, it's an older pentium 3m laptop with 256mb of RAM.  A bit low-yield for an ubuntu system.
[21:45] <Bikerbob_> man Xfree86 use to work for me.. run levels worked.. and everything is being gotten rid of why???
[21:46] <Pirate_Hunter> Seveas: I prefer herbal tea mint flavour if possible, think it more relaxing and helps me concentrate
[21:46] <d0wn> JC_Denton: sudo ifconfig eth1 localiphere
[21:46] <Firefishe> jorrit:  ubuntu's synaptic has a menu system for selecting repositories.  Debian's synaptic does not, and that's what I want.
[21:46] <Seveas> Pirate_Hunter, excellent choice
[21:46] <Bad_Magic> Anyone have any idea why I can't run snes9x in fullscreen mode on my ps3 unless I use a 'fullscreen' ps3-video-mode (and thus have the associated overscan issues)?
[21:46] <jorrit> Firefishe, ah, a Pentium 3 I have that one as well and use this distro: Fluxbox 1.0 (it works like lightning for me)
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> Firefishe: just edit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> Firefishe: you dont need a gui
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> jorrit: do you know how to make the buttons not occupy the entire bottom bar
[21:47] <jorrit> ActionParsnip, which buttons, please?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> jorrit: the running apps
[21:48] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: you should probably tell them to use nano to edit sources from termianl/bash/shell etc
[21:48] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, resize the window list by dragging the handle between the 'show desktop' button and the app buttons to the left
[21:48] <jorrit> ActionParsnip, you can resize your fluxbar with the mouse
[21:48] <histo> I'm having issues with tightvnc. when running tightvncserver i'm specifying an httpport and its starting a server that I can connect to with vncclient.  If i try to connect to it with a java based browser on the http port the server crashes
[21:48] <Bad_Magic> or possibly does anyone know how to force a resolution into Xfce?
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: i tell them to use their favorite text editor
[21:48] <Firefishe> ActionParsnip:  I know, I know ;-).  Here's my issue:  I use various wi-fi public access points, all of which yield various speeds.  I change repositories to suit the speed of each access point.  When I was using ubuntu (and I will when I buy my new laptop in October), all I had to do was select a button, and update in synaptic.
[21:48] <Extend> i installed ubuntu 8.04 server and forgot to add network card & i added it after i finished the installation
[21:48] <histo> I should say the vnc server crashes not the actual machine.
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: in fluxbox?
[21:49] <JC_Denton_> d0wn already set it using network-admin :)
[21:49] <JC_Denton_> strangely enough I can't ping the other machine which has a static ip too
[21:49] <Firefishe> ActionParsnip:  So I guess my main question is, how does one modify synaptic to use ubuntu's button-driver repository selection system?
[21:49] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, didn't know about the fluxbox bit :)
[21:49] <Extend> i can't make it work
[21:49] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: ok cause i just saw you dont need gui so suspected you were assuming they know how to work from cli
[21:49] <Extend> what can i do
[21:49] <Extend> ?
[21:49] <Hondo_Kitsune> Extend: Just plug it in, it should work. Ubuntu is a PNP OS
[21:49] <Hondo_Kitsune> *PnP
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> Firefishe: then have multiple repo files and cp the one to sources.lst to wherever you are
[21:49] <d0wn> JC_Denton_: I had issues with Firestarter connection sharing aswell, what worked for me was using iptables instead
[21:50] <ggun> ggun
[21:50] <Funkah> funkah
[21:50] <d0wn> JC_Denton_: see http://lindesk.com/2007/04/internet-connection-sharing-using-iptables/ if you are interested in the iptables method
[21:50] <jorrit> Well, guys/ gals, it's been nice talking to you and thanks for the help and suggestions...I got to do something about my studies now...
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: people need to realise what the stupid gui does for the repo stuf andjust add / remove them to / from that fi;e
[21:51] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, neh, people shouldn't have to care about that :)
[21:52] <corentin> salut
[21:52] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: to tell you the truth if people just tried to use termianl with screen 85% of all common commands could be easily done without gui and why did i mention screen cause im reading the man pages on it and how to use it
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: hey do if what they need is on a repo they dont have
[21:52] <Firefishe> ActionParsnip:  I have been using gnu/linux debian, ubuntu/kubuntu, mandrake since 5.x, as well as suse and solaris 10
[21:52] <niche> How do I use the man command to construct a list of one sentence descriptions for other commands?
[21:52] <JC_Denton_> d0wn thanks but previously I had it working using FS. hd died though so on live session onw
[21:53] <Firefishe> for some time now.  I spend most of my time in gui, anyway (kde right now), so the graphical tools are helpful to me.
[21:53] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, that's what apturl's are for nowadays. long live the slow death of the terminal :)
[21:53] <klync> are there any browsers besides konqueror that use webkit? i'm a gnome user, and don't want to load the kitchen sink to get this browser running (needed for testing - i use ffx mostly ... not trying to start a flamewar)
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: amen brother, people use from windows so are used to logging on then sitting on their left hand and glueing their hand to the mouse
[21:53] <unop> niche, not sure what you mean by that. but have a look at apropos or man -k
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: i only use gui or mouse for web browsing and warzone 2100
[21:54] <Syco54645_AAO> hello i am having an issue that after a certain length of run time it appears that no more gtk apps will open
[21:54] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, then you're far from a typical user :)
[21:54] <Syco54645_AAO> anyone know why this would be
[21:54] <Firefishe> ActionParsnip:  I also had to, yesterday as a matter of fact, download alsa-firmware and compile it to get the firmware blobs to work on this old pIII brick.
[21:54] <Sigg3> Hi I got wrong size on my disk reported on the partition editor..
[21:54] <Firefishe> compaq armada
[21:54] <Sigg3> I have the output of fdisk -l if anyone's interested
[21:54] <Seveas> Syco54645_AAO, becaue ActionParsnip has hacked your computer and thinks you use the mouse too much ;))
[21:54] <jorrit> Seveas, actually ActionParsnip sounds like an oldskool user who recognizes the power of the terminal.
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: ive been on linux a while. so im conversant with cli, if my gui apps fail i am lost
[21:55] <Bad_Magic> Anyone have any idea why I can't run snes9x in fullscreen mode on my ps3 unless I use a 'fullscreen' ps3-video-mode (and thus have the associated overscan issues)?
[21:55] <Syco54645_AAO> Seveas: yeah i think that he is richard stallman
[21:55] <klync> Syco54645_AAO: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and then try running top for a a whole session sorted by memory usage
[21:55] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: true im still killing the habit of opening file manager just to check a file name when i could do the command ls whatever and continue working, i guess these things take time to get used to since most come from windows
[21:55] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, I practically live inside gnome-terminal (managing hundreds of remote serves ain't no gui job). We're both very non-standard users :)
[21:56] <jorrit> Syco54645_AAO, lol, Richard Stallman, yes he would be something to have hanging around here...
[21:56] <hwilde_> Pirate_Hunter, you know about the tab key right...
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: i use yakuake ;)
[21:56] <Syco54645_AAO> klync: ok, will take me a bit because i have to switch to tty1
[21:56] <Syco54645_AAO> jorrit: well he doesnt use x either, i dont think at all
[21:56] <Pirate_Hunter> hwilde_: yah i do :) i cant live without it anymore, damn smart ubuntu ppl and there autocomplete
[21:56] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, KDE software makes me twitch, I prefer gnome :)
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: its all i really know, it just makes sense
[21:57] <hwilde_> Pirate_Hunter, so you don't have to know the filename exactly just tab it
[21:57] <Funkah> I think I use autocomplete for 98% of filenames in terminal.
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: gnome is too slow, i prefer fluxbox. Id use fluxbuntu if i could get autologin to work
[21:57]  * Funkah is laaazy?
[21:57] <Seveas> Funkah, autocomplete is more powerfil than that...
[21:57] <Pirate_Hunter> hwilde_: yah that works if you actually know what the file starts with otherwise ls should do the trick unless there is another way
[21:57] <Seveas> bash completion ftw :)
[21:57] <Syco54645_AAO> klync: not seeing anything bad in there at all
[21:57] <Syco54645_AAO> i will check tp
[21:58] <Syco54645_AAO> klync: i should also note that ctrl alt backspace will cause x to close but it never loads gnome
[21:58] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: try fvwm or fvwm-crystal if you want something working from the box, it is similar as using gnome but faster
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: ls helps
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: and find -name
[21:59] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, ever tried twm? :)
[21:59] <Pirate_Hunter> Seveas: twm omg never ehard of that how good isit?
[21:59] <Seveas> Pirate_Hunter, archaic to the max. Try it once for fun :)
[22:00] <Uplink> why does my wine window keep disappearing everytime i switch workstations?
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> woah thats basic
[22:00] <klync> to answer my own question, GTK+ + WebKit = midori :)
[22:00] <Gab0> la puta madre
[22:00] <jorrit> Syco54645_AAO, When you only run a server, you don't need, no don't even *want* X to be on it, as it's a serious security hole.
[22:00] <Gab0> nunca vi tanta gente
[22:00] <Gab0> jajajajajaj
[22:00] <Seveas> !ops | Gab0
[22:00] <Pirate_Hunter> Seveas: do i have to compile it or is it in the repo?
[22:00] <Seveas> !info twm
[22:00] <Pirate_Hunter> !pt
[22:00] <hwilde_> Pirate_Hunter, hit tab twice :)
[22:01] <Pirate_Hunter> hwilde_: what does that do?
[22:01] <Seveas> Pirate_Hunter, tab completion
[22:01] <Syco54645_AAO> jorrit: i read that he doesnt use it on his home machine even.  i know that you do not run x on a server
[22:01] <Syco54645_AAO> jorrit: i really doubt that he uses savahanna as his personal computer when he wants to browse the web or read his mail
[22:01] <hwilde_> Pirate_Hunter, same as ls basically.  just try it in your home directory
[22:02] <histo> Is anyone using tightvnc-java with gutsy? I can't get the package to work.
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> !vnc | histo
[22:02] <Pirate_Hunter> hwilde_: oh ok nice, some say terminal makes you lazy but considering you have to remember directories, syntax to move around it is actually more work
[22:03] <histo> ActionParsnip: I know what vnc is thank you.
[22:03] <yem2> tbh I have a key board with only two keys, 0 and 1
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: makes you not lazy, makes you know your filesystem inside out
[22:03] <jorrit> I need to go now, bye, arrivederci, ja ne, au revoir, etc...
[22:03] <hwilde_> Pirate_Hunter, depends if you grew up on dos or unix or didn't have a computer til win 3.1
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> histo: the guide may offer some guides but you'd know if it does wouldnt you
[22:03] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: true that
[22:03] <histo> ActionParsnip: Nope been there this is a more in depth question
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> histo: ask away
[22:04] <adaminla> Am trying to add compiz fulion. In key strokes what does it mean by "super"
[22:04] <Uplink> why does my wine window keep disappearing everytime i switch workstations?
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> adaminla: windows key to you
[22:04] <yem2> when i was a young kid, we had dos, then we got win 3.1, and up until a few days ago, i've never really used a non-windows OS outside of a classroom
[22:04] <adaminla> Thanx
[22:04] <Pirate_Hunter> hwilde_: I started with ME if i had known of linux my box would never have died, i adored that 565mhz machine
[22:05] <histo> Well I start tightvncserver with the httpport specified and when I try to connect with a java browser tightvncserver crashes. I can connect with a nomral vnc viewer before the crash. Its only happening when trying to connect via java browser
[22:05] <histo> Anyone have any ideas?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> dosis ok, single thread, you knew where you were
[22:05] <Pirate_Hunter> Seveas: is twm in the repo or do i have to compile it, if i ahve to compile it will do it tomorrow morning or something
[22:05] <Funkah> When I was a young kid, we coded on paper.
[22:05] <Seveas> histo, sounds like a bug in tightvncserver
[22:05] <Seveas> !info twm | Pirate_Hunter
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> histo: whats the message when it crashes
[22:06] <histo> ActionParsnip: there isn't one the pid just stops for the vnc server. There are error messages in the log about XKB and gnome-terminal not suporting logins
[22:06] <Syco54645_AAO> how does one use top to view the highest mem consumer
[22:07] <digitalfiz> Syco54645_AAO, type h
[22:07] <Syco54645_AAO> digitalfiz: thanks
[22:07] <Sigg3> can anyone help me with the partition editor?
[22:08] <histo> ActionParsnip: Window manager warning: Log level 32: could not find XKB extension.
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> Sigg3: ask away
[22:08] <histo> 19/09/08 17:00:12 Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on display ':1'.
[22:08] <Seveas> Sigg3, not if you don't ask your question :)
[22:08] <Syco54645_AAO> digitalfiz: that was none to helpful... i dont see it there nor do i see it in the man page
[22:08] <histo> ActionParsnip: after that is an error about gnome-terminal fatal IO error 11 resource temporarily unavailible blah blah.
[22:08] <Seveas> Syco54645_AAO, the o, F or O commands (which is explained in the manpage and the helpscreen)
[22:08] <histo> I'm going to try to clear the log and use a vncviewer to connect and see fi there are similiar errors
[22:08] <digitalfiz> Syco54645_AAO,   F or O  . Select sort field
[22:09] <Syco54645_AAO> Seveas: yeah, like i said, didnt see it there
[22:09] <digitalfiz> should ready
[22:09] <Seveas> Syco54645_AAO, buy a new pair of glasses then
[22:09] <Syco54645_AAO> and the help screen made no sense what so ever to me, it said stuff about making
[22:09] <Syco54645_AAO> Seveas: my perscription is rather old
[22:09] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: I was given the wrong size in the partition editor. I don't want a complete Ubuntu disk, I want a /home partition too.
[22:09] <gosuengineer> server irc.rizon.net
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Sigg3: can you give us the output of sudo fdisk -l
[22:10] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: Then _zeus_ told me to get the output of fdisk -l
[22:10] <Sigg3> I have it:
[22:10] <Sigg3> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l
[22:10] <Sigg3> Disk /dev/sda: -354050383 MB,<PHONE_NUMBER>954816 bytes
[22:10] <Sigg3> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 479122523 cylinders
[22:10] <Sigg3> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[22:10] <FloodBot2> Sigg3: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:10] <Sigg3> Disk identifier: 0x0706cfd0
[22:10] <reinis_>  who can help me with installing skype and setting up on ubuntu 8.04?
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> !paste | Sigg3
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> !skype | reinis_
[22:10] <Pirate_Hunter> if i use command ^C-a c in screen how do i move to previous screen i havent read that far in the man pages
[22:10] <Funkah> i /quit
[22:10] <Seveas> ^C-a p
[22:10] <Sigg3> here. http://paste.ubuntu.com/48409/
[22:11] <guntbert> Pirate_Hunter: ^C  n (for next, and p for previous)
[22:11] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: It is a 250GB PATA drive (on a laptop).
[22:11] <guntbert> ^A
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Sigg3: ok looks like the disk has a screwed fat
[22:12] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: A FAT partition?
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> fat == file allocation table
[22:12] <Pirate_Hunter> guntbert: ty im just starting to grasp how useful screen is, why havent i tried using it till now :'(
[22:12] <histo> ActionParsnip: okay the error I put in the channel here is definately what is happening when the server is crashing.
[22:12] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: So, what do I do then? Is it doable or do I have to get it replaced?
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> histo: ive not used it byt does websearching the error gain anything?
[22:13] <histo> ActionParsnip: it outputs that to the log file in .vnc/name:3.log then dies. It doesn't even delete its files in /tmp
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> Sigg3: have you tried to fsck the drive?
[22:13] <histo> ActionParsnip: No thats why i was asking in here.
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> histo: looks like no one knows dude, id try in #kubuntu
[22:13] <histo> omg
[22:13] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: Btw, from old habit I ran gparted in Ubuntu ("try w/o installing") and it gave me some msdos option
[22:13] <CanadianLinux> Hello, a little help. I have an ATI HD2400 pro video card, using the fglrx drivers from the repository. Is it really worth it to install the latest driver from the ATI.com website. What im asking is, is it worth the trouble?
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> histo: or try later
[22:14]  * erUSUL like phoenix comes back after a hard disk faliure and reinstall ... \o/
[22:14] <histo> ActionParsnip: I'm well aware of how the channel works and about the help pages in the wiki.
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> CanadianLinux: do you need 3d support?
[22:14] <prakash_> hi
[22:14] <Seveas> CanadianLinux, not worth it. If you want a newer driver, use envyng
[22:14] <CanadianLinux> Yes, i do play 3d games
[22:14] <histo> ActionParsnip: I thought you had knowledge on the matter since you were asking me to explain.
[22:14] <CanadianLinux> envy?
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> CanadianLinux: id personally recommend envyng too, but its not supported
[22:14] <arooni-mobile> i have a 460W power supply that seems incapable of powering:  intel p43 chipset atx board, nvidia geforce 8600gts, 2 case fans, wireless card, one sata 360gb hard drive, and 1 pata dvd burner.....  i say this because w/o a pci wireless card, everything runs fine. with a pci wireless card, machine spins up for a second then shuts down then spins up again.  then i get no video out.  ideas on whats wrong?
[22:14] <Seveas> CanadianLinux, it's an application you can find in the ubuntu software repositories
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> !envyng | CanadianLinux
[22:14] <CanadianLinux> sry, its been a while since ive dealt with video drivers
[22:14] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, it's sort-of supported
[22:15] <IAB> so I managed to bump myself from the sudoers list, and I don't think I ever set the root password - is there some simple way of resetting it at boot or from a livecd?
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: the factoid wil hapen soon
[22:15] <Glady> youre waiting for teddy bears
[22:15] <Seveas> IAB, boot into recovery mode
[22:15] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: have not tried to fsck the drive
[22:15] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, bot seems to be slow
[22:15] <IAB> Seveas: gives root prompt?
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> |AB: boot to live cd and chroot, then set root pass
[22:16] <Seveas> IAB, yes
[22:16] <IAB> thanks
[22:16] <Glady> one two three four
[22:16] <Glady> action!
[22:16] <IAB> now I have to figure out how to boot from CD in vmware - but I don't think that'll be too hard :-)
[22:16] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, in intrepid, recovery mode actually has a friendly-recovery menu that can do things like that
[22:16] <litel> hello i can't find the name of that thing, a sort of texte status on the desck, like this (at the left) http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3547/capturepq6.png
[22:16] <Seveas> IAB, just do the recovery mode trick. Easier :)
[22:16] <CanadianLinux> AccessExcess, do i just need the envyng package,
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> Seveas: intrepid isnt supported here, you want #ubuntu+1
[22:17] <Seveas> ActionParsnip, I was just giving you some info, chill...
[22:17]  * IAB googles recovery more
[22:17] <IAB> s/more/mode
[22:17] <Seveas> iab, reboot, when the bootmanager (grub) loads, hit escape. A menu appears, select the recovery mode
[22:17] <IAB> thx
[22:18] <KrimZon> Nautilus hangs when when I try to open a specific directory. Does anyone know how to further diagnose the cause of this problem?
[22:18] <Pirate_Hunter> mentioning intrepid just reminded me that i ahve to install VB so i can test it out, from the screen shots it looks like they went and adapted a vista look full of visual effects, dont know if that is bad or not
[22:18] <rob>  cool
[22:19] <TTilus> KrimZon: what do you have in the dir?
[22:19] <Seveas> KrimZon, before entering the directory, strace -p the nautilus process
[22:19] <TTilus> KrimZon: you could try turning thumbnailing off
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/andrew_woodhead666/MyScreenshot.png thats my desktop
[22:19] <KrimZon> ok
[22:20] <IAB> Thanks Seveas - back online alraedy
[22:20] <histo> Okay trying to connect to tightvncserver via a java browser crashes the vnc server. It closes the process and leaves the tmp files in /tmp.
[22:21] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: if thats your desktop running intrepid it looks nice and simple i like and you got sonic, is that a genesis emu?
[22:21] <histo> Okay trying to connect to tightvncserver via a java browser crashes the vnc server. It closes the process and leaves the tmp files in /tmp. I'm getting an error of Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable on display ':1'. in the logs for tightvnc?  Looking for any ideas
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: no its hardy
[22:21] <KrimZon> hmm, it could be failing on thumbnails - i tried deleting the cache of them, which didn't help
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: yeah its gens
[22:22] <KrimZon> the strace is outputting a big bunch of stuff that might be looping, and the process is maxing out one core in terms of cpu usage
[22:22] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: didnt know there was a native gens for linux or are you running from wine, if not where did you get you gens?
[22:22] <Seveas> KrimZon, ok, so at least it's not hanging :)
[22:22] <KrimZon> http://rafb.net/p/Oef0lJ65.html
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: theres a 32bit native gens, you'll need 32bit libs
[22:22] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: Like sudo fsck /dev/sda ?
[22:22] <KrimZon> it seems to be stuck in an infinite loop
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> Sigg3: id scan it from livecd if you
[22:23] <Seveas> KrimZon, or it really wants to know the time
[22:23] <CanadianLinux> Thanks for the tip on EnvyNG.. Much appreciated folks
[22:23] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: where would i get that, i am assuming it is not in the repo enither gens or the lib...
[22:24] <un> could someone point me at a fix for hardy's openoffice.org-writer2latex bug... my dpkg is completely broken
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> gens is not, you need the .deb
[22:24] <KrimZon> and yep, it works in list view, just crashes in icon view
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> Pirate_Hunter: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290008
[22:24] <KrimZon> http://rafb.net/p/iZZd5c71.html <- that's the contents
[22:25] <Pirate_Hunter> ActionParsnip: ActionParsnip: ty very much
[22:25] <Sigg3> ActionParsnip: Such as?
[22:25] <un> anyone here installed openoffice.org-writer2latex lately?
[22:25] <jdehart> rt
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> Sigg3: boot to live cd and see if you can check it
[22:26] <KrimZon> Seveas, TTilus: it only happens in compact view too
[22:29] <ali_> hey can anyone help whn i try to copy files to my usb it keeps sayin the file is read only? it isnt tho
[22:29] <KrimZon> ali_: mine do that, even in windows, i think it's because the usb key sucks
[22:29] <bytor4232> Hm.  Can you not netboot the alternate installer?
[22:29] <ali_> its my psp tho ive never had tht problem before
[22:30] <bytor4232> I can set the live iso's up for netboot, but not the alternate isos.
[22:30] <Virtus> I need help.  my speakers are working but i can barely hear it even when I stick my ear up to the speaker
[22:30] <keithclark> Hi there, somobody gave me some advice about settings for my ATI card and all it did was totally mess up my system.  Now when I restart all I get are big letters on a really blurry screen.  I guess I have to reinstall?
[22:30] <munzir> Hi, I cannot log to my system any more I need help urgently if possible: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/270328
[22:31] <ali_> omg it still wont copy!!
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> !psp | ali_
[22:32] <eitreach> http://ostatic.com/173388-blog/canonical-opens-codec-sales-and-potential-can-of-worms#rss
[22:32] <unop> keithclark, is the display problem the only problem you are facing?
[22:32] <ali_> the psp was workin fine before
[22:32] <keithclark> unop, I think so.
[22:32] <keithclark> Everything used to be fine.
[22:32] <csilk> Keith,  what card is it?
[22:32] <keithclark> hmmm....I've forgotten now.
[22:32] <keithclark> sec....
[22:33] <unop> !fixres | keithclark, have you seen this?
[22:33] <keithclark> unop, I can't boot though.
[22:33] <unop> hmm, seems like ubottu's down and out
[22:33] <keithclark> unop, system is useless
[22:33] <unop> keithclark, so where do you see all these big and blurry fonts?
[22:33] <keithclark> unop, all over the screen.
[22:33] <ali_> Error removing file: Read-only file system    it keeps sayin this
[22:33] <unop> keithclark, if you can't boot - which screen would this be?
[22:34] <keithclark> unop, hard to tell.
[22:34] <keithclark> unop, I see brown with red Ubu written in huge, blurry letters
[22:35] <unop> keithclark, hmm, that's not the desktop i take it. must be the boot splash screen.
[22:35] <keithclark> unop, could be.  It's been that way for the last half hour
[22:35] <unop> keithclark, do you have any data on the system?
[22:36] <unop> keithclark, i mean, your personal files, etc?
[22:36] <keithclark> unop, not really, but the wireless took me hours to get running.
[22:36] <loquitus_of_bor1> Is there a way to send a message to someone on the same unix box, where they are logged onto an X11 session on that machine, and I am ssh'ed on it?
[22:36] <zipper> I like ubuntu, mainly its unmatched hardware detection, but i dont want to use gnome or kde, and a lot of the apps that come default. Is a server install just the base system, without the "ubuntu-desktop" package or does it install apache and stuff as well if i chose 'server'?
[22:36] <unop> keithclark, does ubuntu boot into the recovery mode?
[22:36] <loquitus_of_bor1> I want the message to show as some sort of popup to them
[22:36] <keithclark> unop, I remember changing something to fglrx or something like that
[22:37] <unop> keithclark, sounds like you just messed up xorg - it should easily be corrected.
[22:37] <sw54> hello
[22:37] <keithclark> unop, ok, and the best way is?
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> keithclark: you should backup xorg.conf before playing
[22:37] <afallenhope> is there a reason as to why I can't burn DVD's? I get the following error: ":-[ LOAD TRAY failed with SK=5h/ASC=24h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error" however there'sa blank DVD+R in the drive.
[22:38] <unop> keithclark, well, tell me if ubuntu can boot into the recovery mode?
[22:38] <xbxb> Hey, I've got every volume setting to highest, but the sound is still quite low with headphones. Is there a way to increase the volume?
[22:38] <keithclark> ActionParsnip, hindsite is 20/20!  I usually do but I've never encountered a problem and thought I'd just wing it.  Lesson learned.
[22:38] <sw54> how can I tell nmbd (netbios daemon) not to be active on one of severl interfaces please?
[22:38] <keithclark> unop, I will try it now.  I'm on a different machine at the moment on a different floor.
[22:38] <unop> loquitus_of_bor1, i guess you could use zenity.  something like.  DISPLAY=$display_you_want zenity ....
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> keithclark: i always back up .conf files and ive been using linux a while
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> keithx
[22:39] <keithclark> ActionParsnip, and if it totally messes up you system, how to use the backup?
[22:39] <zipper> keithclark, alt+ctrl+f1.... unless you REALLY mess up and is unable to boot =P
[22:39] <loleco> Hi
[22:40] <iaindalton> oy all
[22:40] <keithclark> unop, I've never booted into recovery mode....is there anything to watch for, I won't have access to this machine while I'm there.
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> keithclark: cp ./oldfileyoubackedup ./originalfilename
[22:40] <unop> keithclark, you boot up into recovery mode or step down into the console.
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> keithclark: you need to make the backup before and you may need sudo
[22:40] <keithclark> ActionParsnip, understood.
[22:41] <DeadPirateDave> AHOY ME MATEYS
[22:41] <keithclark> ActionParsnip, I will be much more careful in the furture, believe me.
[22:41] <DeadPirateDave> TIS I, DEAD PIRATE DAVE
[22:41] <FloodBot2> DeadPirateDave: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:41] <zipper> yarr
[22:41] <DeadPirateDave> Ohoy!
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> keithclark: you've learned but the hard way
[22:41] <unop> keithclark, well,  if you can boot up into the recovery mode.  you could just delete the existing xorg.conf with something like.   mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.messed_up
[22:41] <histo> Okay there has to be a way to get this working. Is there a way to see if tightvnc-java is a 32bit package instead of 64bit?
[22:41] <keithclark> unop, ctl-alt-f1 is console?
[22:41] <DeadPirateDave> Methinks me has a problem with this err Ubantu thingy.
[22:41] <unop> keithclark, yes, that takes you to the console
[22:41] <pmaddog320> hi guys anyone know of a lug in hampshire way ?
[22:42] <zipper> histo, just guessing here, maybe you can add --version to see?
[22:42] <bokerones> hello i have a problem with Hardy. I can t read a CD multisesion with audio and software because hardy mount this cd only audioCD
[22:42] <keithclark> ActionParsnip, it is a spare machine, well my sons, so it was relatively harmless.
[22:42] <keithclark> unop, let me try that
[22:42] <pibe> hello i have a new laptop it has amd athlon 2x, what ubuntu should i download to work with 32 bits?
[22:42] <histo> zipper: well its not a terminal based program its a java app
[22:42] <DeadPirateDave> Uhh
[22:42] <DeadPirateDave> Pibe
[22:42] <mahadeva_> I have this problem with the totem "Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument"
[22:42] <zipper> histo, java apps can be terminal based too =)
[22:42] <DeadPirateDave> How much memory do you have on thatm achine?
[22:42] <unop> keithclark, but i don't think you can access the console yet - if the system is stuck at the boot splash screen.
[22:42] <DeadPirateDave> @ Pibe: How much money on your Athlon x2?
[22:42] <afallenhope> DeadPirateDave, Ubuntu it be, not Ubantu
[22:42] <keithclark> unop, I have console.
[22:43] <zipper> histo, but as i said, it was only a guess. If it doesnt work, dunno
[22:43] <keithclark> unop, logged it and have sudo.
[22:43] <bokerones> hello i have a problem with Hardy. I can t read a CD multisesion with audio and software because hardy mount this cd only audioCD
[22:43] <unop> keithclark, ok, cool, run that mv command up there
[22:43] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: around 700 dollars
[22:43] <unop> keithclark, and then issue this command.   sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[22:43] <keithclark> unop, ok, running stairs.....I can see I will get a workout here.
[22:43] <histo> The documentation for tightvncserver is just a mess
[22:43] <iaindalton> pibe: Yer be wantin' Ubuntu 8.04, arr
[22:44] <keithclark> unop, ok, slow down
[22:44] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: I said memory
[22:44] <DeadPirateDave> Not dollars
[22:44] <Gino> ME
[22:44] <unop> keithclark, that's all for now
[22:44] <keithclark> unop, sorry, I have to catch up here.
[22:44] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i get screen to reatach all my screens, ive followed man but instead created 6 windows in which 4 are attached but i cnat move to them with ^C-a p/n
[22:44] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: 2 gb and 160 gb HD
[22:44] <Gino> yoo whazz up
[22:44] <DeadPirateDave> OY ITS A PIRATE HUNTER
[22:44] <DeadPirateDave> AVAST PUT UP THE CANNONS
[22:44] <ompaul> !offtopic
[22:44] <keithclark> unop, mv command?
[22:44] <FloodBot2> DeadPirateDave: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:44] <Gino> no
[22:44] <Pirate_Hunter> DeadPirateDave: yoh dave
[22:44] <Gino> yoyo
[22:45] <unop> keithclark,  as root ( under sudo).   mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.messed_up}
[22:45] <ompaul> please keep to the support topic if you want to be a pirate try out #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:45] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[22:45] <afallenhope> is there a reason as to why I can't burn DVD's? I get the following error: ":-[ LOAD TRAY failed with SK=5h/ASC=24h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error" however there'sa blank DVD+R in the drive.
[22:45] <DeadPirateDave> Get the desktop edition
[22:45] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: and 32 or 64 bits?
[22:45] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i get screen to reatach all my screens, ive followed man but instead created 6 windows in which 4 are attached but i cnat move to them with ^C-a p/n, so what can i do?
[22:45] <keithclark> unop, you lost me
[22:46] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: 32 bits
[22:46] <keithclark> unop, what is mv?
[22:46] <pibe> ok
[22:46] <docmur> I have a ubuntu server and I want to add a service to boot time start up, how do I do it.
[22:46] <pibe> thanks
[22:46] <DeadPirateDave> np
[22:46] <deus> grr ubuntu 8.04 server doesn't install on my server :S
[22:46] <deus> but ubuntu 8.10 does :S
[22:46] <unop> keithclark, make a note of these two commands, run them on the machine and let us know how it goes.    mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.messed_up};  /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[22:47] <unop> keithclark, mv is move
[22:47] <zipper> Is a server install of (k)ubuntu just the base system, without the "ubuntu-desktop" package (and all the apps) or does it install apache, ftpd and stuff as well if i chose 'server'?
[22:47] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: where can i find alternative cd?
[22:47] <keithclark> Ok, I understand mv.....but {,.messed_up}?
[22:47] <Pirate_Hunter> anyone knows how to use screen?
[22:47] <xMassi1986x> Hi everybody
[22:47] <iaindalton> pibe: have ye cast anchor at ubuntu.com?
[22:47] <unop> Pirate_Hunter, did you detach from your screen session at any point?
[22:47] <loleco> Has anybody here used Ubuntu on a DV7T?
[22:48] <keithclark> unop, sorry I'm sceptical but after the last advice you can surely see why.
[22:48] <pibe> iaindalton: not yet
[22:48] <iaindalton> pibe: they stock all the downloads
[22:48] <zipper> unop, im pretty sure he'll get a syntax error with that. Afaik 'mv' always take a location and a destination.
[22:48] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: You can choose alternative before you download
[22:48] <xMassi1986x> I have problem to configure Firestarter with hamachi...
[22:48] <unop> keithclark, what that does is the same as this.  mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.messed_up  # essentially making a backup of this file
[22:48] <ohgodnotanother1> hello everyone. how can I find out the color depth of my current X session?
[22:49] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: Alternative will take less system resources... but the GUI installer is more user friendly
[22:49] <iaindalton> zipper: bash completion turns that into two arguments
[22:49] <unop> zipper, bash does the brace expansion
[22:49] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: I'd recommend the standard version; you have enough memory for it.
[22:49] <keithclark> unop, Ok, I understand now, thanks.
[22:49] <zipper> i see
[22:49] <poon> [Mass Message] If any clients need help with anything before I go out of town for the weekend, let me know within 2.5 minutes.
[22:49] <unop> zipper, mv just does what bash passes to it
[22:49] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: but alternative cd has more drivers, isnt it?
[22:49] <xMassi1986x> What do I do to configure Firestarter for Hamachi? Thanks
[22:49] <zipper> just to be picky, shouldn't it be '&&' instead of ';' then? Not much sense in restarting ?dm if the file wasnt moved properly =P
[22:49] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: AFAIK, it's the same
[22:49] <afallenhope> is there a reason as to why I can't burn DVD's? I get the following error: ":-[ LOAD TRAY failed with SK=5h/ASC=24h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error" however there'sa blank DVD+R in the drive.
[22:50] <Pirate_Hunter> unop: i use ^C-a d than tried ^C-a d r with no avail and just typed it instead as screen -d -r well in the procedure four of my windows are atatched but i cant move to them
[22:50] <keithclark> unop, brb
[22:50] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: Just a different installation menu. It's text based, and you can't run it as a live-cd.
[22:50] <unop> zipper, && and ; are not the same thing.  if you used && the second command would only run if the first succeeded
[22:50] <zipper> unop, exactly
[22:50] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: It's good for older pcs. I tried installing it on a 2.4 ghz Pentium 4 w/512mb. Only got it working with Alternative.
[22:51] <deus> if you are running ubuntu 8.10 alpha, will it be possible to update to the real 8.10 version once it is released
[22:51] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: ok but i don know if try ubuntu 8.10 alfa 5
[22:51] <iaindalton> pibe: whereas I booted the livecd on a 300MHz PII once, so your nautical milage may vary
[22:51] <Pirate_Hunter> unop: any suggestions or at least how to force window close on screen
[22:51] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: because i tried to instal alfa 5 32 bits and i got and error said there was no kernel for this computer
[22:51] <Rindae> hello
[22:51] <mecal> !AskTheBot
[22:52] <Rindae> can i use getdeb for xubuntu?
[22:52] <unop> Pirate_Hunter, well  ^C-a, d  detaches from the session - you then need to reattach to the session before any other screen shortcuts will work (that includes  ^C-a d r )
[22:52] <DeadPirateDave> Pibe: Never tried it before... I go for stable builds.
[22:52] <g-hennux> hi!
[22:52] <unop> Pirate_Hunter, first list the screen sessions and their states.   screen -list
[22:52] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: i think i have downlaod live cd
[22:53] <deus> is it possible to update ubuntu 8.10 alpha to the retail version once it is released using the update menu?
[22:53] <DeadPirateDave> @Pibe: Well install it me land lubber, what are ye waitin' for yarrr
[22:53] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: ubuntu 8.04.1 32 bits and got and error
[22:53] <keithclark_> unop: ok, I'm on the problem machine and logged in!!!!  Thanks.
[22:53] <Pirate_Hunter> unop done that i know two sessions are detached four are atached and only by accident i managed to get this window back
[22:53] <Pirate_Hunter> unop: what do i do now
[22:53] <csilk> deus,  most likely yes
[22:53] <g-hennux> can anyone tell me in short what the current state of the ati/nvidia linux drivers for ati or nvidia graphics cards is? ati used to be a pain in the a** at my site for years, but i've heard they should have become better...
[22:53] <iaindalton> pibe: what error?
[22:53] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: i got and error in 32 bits, so i installed 64 bits and video driver does not work
[22:54] <csilk> g-hennux,  i have ati radeon 2400 HD and it works just fine
[22:54] <sw54> how can I disable nmbd (netbios-daemon) for just one of several interfaces?
[22:54] <csilk> worked straight out of the box
[22:54] <Pirate_Hunter> deus: it should be posible
[22:54] <pibe> iaindalton: i ll tell you, one second please
[22:54] <zipper> g-hennux, they're both pretty good by now. That said, setting up multiple monitors can still be a pain, but that goes for both nvidia and ati. Maybe more-so on ati, but im not 100% sure
[22:54] <csilk> ati is easy to get dual screen
[22:54] <csilk> as long as they are both the same resolution
[22:54] <unop> Pirate_Hunter, i'm not sure where you are now, do you want to attach to another one of the detached screen sessions??
[22:54] <csilk> i'm on dual screen now with ATi
[22:55] <zipper> didnt say it was impossible =)
[22:55] <DeadPirateDave> Pibe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213011
[22:55] <DeadPirateDave> Pibe: Looks like it's a common problem with the linux kernel
[22:55] <g-hennux> zipper: surprisingly, i'm running dual screen with laptop/external tft and xinerama, too, without any problems :-)
[22:55] <DeadPirateDave> Pibe: You'll have to wait for the kernel update in 8.10
[22:55] <DeadPirateDave> Sorry
[22:55] <zipper> cool
[22:55] <Pirate_Hunter> unop, i want to move to another screen window so i can close them since they were done by mistake, this is the window i want
[22:55] <afallenhope> worse support ever seriously.
[22:55] <afallenhope> is there a reason as to why I can't burn DVD's? I get the following error: ":-[ LOAD TRAY failed with SK=5h/ASC=24h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error" however there'sa blank DVD+R in the drive.
[22:56] <g-hennux> zipper: and in the next ubuntu, drivers for both will be included, as usual, right?
[22:56] <hanasakiRemote> is there some thin version of ubuntu for use with vmware or virtualbox?
[22:56] <everton137> Hi, does someone know a programa where I can put together 2 videos, one with a smaller size, like this one http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=JZkLUxs0AMw ?
[22:56] <g-hennux> i've recompiled kernel modules far too often...
[22:56] <Pirate_Hunter> patience | alfallenhope
[22:56] <Pirate_Hunter> !patience | alfallenhope
[22:56] <unop> Pirate_Hunter, screen -d -r other_screen_session_name #then
[22:56] <zipper> g-hennux, kernel modules? For nvidia and/or ati drivers?!
[22:57] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: and where  is on internet next kernel?
[22:57] <pibe> or in ubuntu?
[22:57] <zipper> g-hennux, i think there is some logistics involved, making it impossible for ubuntu to ever ship either with ubuntu. But they have a nice little pop-up now, if the system detects you have either of those cards and allows to to very easily install drivers for it
[22:57] <Pirate_Hunter> unop: going to kill this screen session brb
[22:57] <DeadPirateDave> Pibe: You'll have to check and see if you can get a version of 8.10 working. It is not fululy released yet.
[22:57] <pibe> iaindalton: look here is the error -
[22:58] <pibe> iaindalton: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=922615
[22:58] <g-hennux> zipper: yes, that fglrx stuff. for some reason, something didn't really work... and doesn't do so, still. right now, i need to kill x once right after startup to get 3d acceleration. and then, i have that only on the laptop screen and such. so i'm really fed up with fiddling around with any driver stuff
[22:58] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: look here this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=922615
[22:58] <unop> zipper, i didn't mean for ; to be used as a statement separator.  i just used it to make a distinction between the two commands - i didn't really intend for him to put both on the same line (as one command essentially)
[22:58] <keithclark_> unop: thank you kindly for your help.  I'm sure the person who gave me the other advice was only trying to help!
[22:58] <iaindalton> pibe: IRC is the last resort of the incompetent ;-)
[22:58] <g-hennux> and, for example, i paid some 100 euros extra to get a pivot function for my tft, just to get to know now that fglrx currently doesn't support rotating the screen
[22:58] <azdak> what is this
[22:58] <iaindalton> first, STFW
[22:59] <unop> keithclark, i'm sure he was - can i ask why he intended for you to change the driver? if you know i.e.
[22:59] <keithclark_> unop: I was just trying to get my ATI card to work properly
[22:59] <keithclark_> unop: it does not at the moment
[22:59] <aib> easiest way to install mod_perl and have it fully working?
[22:59] <Jacobbs> how do I reinstall just the root in ubuntu?
[22:59] <unop> keithclark, have you seen !ati ?
[23:00] <pibe> iaindalton: i have bnn here before so i write it to everybody see what i have done
[23:00] <zipper> g-hennux, i think you took the wrong approach, ati or nvidia drivers were never part of the kernel. That said, i have no idea how to get pivot working, never had that function myself =/. But for just installing the drivers, thats really easy in (k)ubuntu now
[23:00] <pibe> iaindalton: been
[23:00] <aib> (least amount of interruption to currently running web server)
[23:00] <keithclark_> unop: yes
[23:00] <[R]> can someone explain why xchat has a hard depend on tcl and tcl support is not an optional package?
[23:00] <ompaul> !rootsudo | Jacobbs have a read of this it is there (or was last time I looked)
[23:00] <DeadPirateDave> Pibe: Maybe there's a hack for it
[23:00] <keithclark_> unop: I even tried Envy.  Still did not work.
[23:00] <zipper> unop, oh okay, no biggie. As i said, i was just being picky (and trying to learn a bit of bash) =)
[23:00] <DeadPirateDave> Pibe: Just wait around for some responses on the forums, they're very knowledgeable
[23:00] <g-hennux> zipper: ok, thank you for the info!
[23:00] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: i thing there is  bug too
[23:00] <DeadPirateDave> Laterz I'm gonna go troll some place that actually has fun people in it
[23:00] <DeadPirateDave> YARRRR
[23:00] <iaindalton> pibe: I'm not trying to give you a hard time, just making sure you've done everything you could.  I see in your forum post that you seemed to have a corrupt live cd.   WAIT FOR REPLY ON FORUM YARR
[23:03] <unop> DeadPirateDave, can you turn CAPS off please
[23:03] <DeadPirateDave> PIBE: BUY INTEL NEXT TIME...
[23:03] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: yes i must wait
[23:03] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: because i like ubuntu
[23:03] <DeadPirateDave> unop: Oy! Me laddy... why ruin de fun?
[23:03] <keithclark_> unop: I thought all I had to do in the past was enable the Restricted Drivers, but when I check there, nothing comes up for my video card.
[23:03] <iaindalton> He's just bitter because an Athlon beat him at UT
[23:03] <pibe> DeadPirateDave: buy intel next time? in 5 years or more because i am fromcolombia and here to get a lap is a little dificult
[23:04] <bokerones> hello
[23:04] <bokerones> good night from spain
[23:04] <unop> iaindalton, please refrain from commentary - this is a support channel
[23:04] <mirak> jpit takes very long to empty the trash bean on gnome, what is the problem ?
[23:04] <mirak> hi
[23:04] <bokerones> hi
[23:04] <iaindalton> pibe: I still don't know if you ran an actual integrity check on any of the CDs
[23:05] <bokerones> well i have a problem with cd multisesion
[23:05] <keithclark_> unop: in fact, I'm pretty sure that was all I did.
[23:05] <bokerones> can help me? i cant read any
[23:05] <pibe> iaindalton: yes i ahve check them and i ahve use that cd to install it in a desktop
[23:05] <unop> keithclark_, hmm.  i'm not sure about restricted-drivers - i've never had the pleasure of having to use it
[23:05] <asad> hey, i think this is a compiz feature, but whenever i move to the edge of the left side of the screen it jumps to desktop,. anyone know how to disable it?
[23:05] <pibe> iaindalton: i have checked*
[23:06] <afallenhope> is there a reason as to why I can't burn DVD's? I get the following error: ":-[ LOAD TRAY failed with SK=5h/ASC=24h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error" however there'sa blank DVD+R in the drive.
[23:06] <Jampiter> Hi, I have Kubuntu with GNOME
[23:06] <iaindalton> pibe: Because in the forum you say that the ubuntu 8.04 live cd couldn't copy libsane because it was corrupt.  It didn't have an error about the kernel, though, that was a different CD.  So maybe you should try the 8.04 live cd again
[23:07] <Jampiter> How do I stark KNEtworkManager in GNOME?
[23:07] <rootsnatch> have you tried to just run knetworkmanager?
[23:07] <rootsnatch> and why do you want to run knetworkmanager?
[23:07] <Gizmo_The_Great> Hi. I have created a link between directory and another. However, the linked directory, under 'Type' in Nautilus says 'Link (Broken)'. Does this mean it's not working because it does not appear to be in practice.
[23:07] <Jampiter> The GNOME wireless thing doesn't automatically start my wifi
[23:07] <keithclark_> !ati
[23:07] <afallenhope> Error @ http://pastebin.com/d29ef3208
[23:07] <Jampiter> KNM does
[23:08] <pibe> iaindalton: ok i am goint to buy a new cd and burn it then i am going to try again
[23:08] <iaindalton> pibe: Buy a CD?  Out of blanks?
[23:08] <unop> Gizmo_The_Great, how exactly was the link created?
[23:08] <pibe> iaindalton: blank cd
[23:08] <afallenhope> is there a reason as to why I can't burn DVD's? I get the following error: ":-[ LOAD TRAY failed with SK=5h/ASC=24h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error" however there'sa blank DVD+R in the drive.
[23:09] <pibe> iaindalton: thanks i am leaving righ now see you later
[23:09] <Gizmo_The_Great> unop, like this "  ln -s .lzncache/ /mnt/SCSI/ScratchFolder/lzncache/  "
[23:09] <Jampiter> Ok, how would I get the gnome WIFI manager to autodetect and start my WIFI on startup?
[23:09] <afallenhope> Error @ http://pastebin.com/d29ef3208
[23:09] <zipper> Jampiter, i guess you could start it from a terminal. If you put '&' after the command, it will be run in the background, so you dont have to keep the terminal running
[23:09] <unop> Gizmo_The_Great, i think nautilus prefers you to have used complete paths. i.e.  ln -sv "$PWD".lzncache/ /mnt/SCSI/ScratchFolder/lzncache
[23:10] <Jampiter> Thanks Zipper :)
[23:10] <unop> Gizmo_The_Great, sorry, this rather.  ln -sv "$PWD"/.lzncache/ /mnt/SCSI/ScratchFolder/lzncache
[23:10] <sw54> pfft
[23:10] <zipper> Jampiter, np
[23:11] <zipper> Jampiter, you should try to fix your gnome network manager tho, but im not sure how im afraid
[23:11] <HappyHater> is there a way to chmod recursively, so it effects all files in a dir?
[23:11] <leFranck> chmod -R
[23:11] <zipper> HappyHater, -R
[23:11] <HappyHater> ty
[23:11] <leFranck> yw
[23:12] <unop> HappyHater, just files?  or both files and directories?
[23:12] <HappyHater> just 1 dir containing a bunch of images
[23:12] <Jampiter> That's Ok Zipper, thanks anyway :)
[23:12] <Gizmo_The_Great> unop, that has worked. Fantastic. Thanks a lot!!
[23:12] <tamer> is wicd better than network manager?
[23:12] <unop> HappyHater,   chmod something /directory/*  #should suffice then
[23:13] <J-n> afallenhope:  I googled your error "[ LOAD TRAY failed with SK=5h/ASC=24h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error" and got this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884700   and the documentation of your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/149076
[23:13] <chill> hello all
[23:13] <chill> is there a more up to date gui for kismet than gkismet?
[23:13] <zipper> tamer, my motto is: "Dont fix what ain't broken". Use whatever works
[23:14] <J-n> afallenhope: Google = fast easy, embarassment free answers.
[23:15] <HappyHater> unop, well it did work, however the images are being created on the fly, and the new images that are made don't have any permissions, can I correct that?
[23:15] <afallenhope> J-n, did that didn't work
[23:15] <unop> HappyHater, yes, you'll need to adjust the umask for the process creating the files. what process is it?
[23:15] <wraund> how can i convert .wma files to .flac or .mp3?
[23:16] <unop> wraund, have a look at ffmpeg
[23:16] <HappyHater> piespy
[23:16] <wraund> unop: will do
[23:16] <sca> hi everybody, can any one help me installing world in conflict on wine?
[23:16] <jgabriel> hi
[23:16] <nosto> Howdy all, got an issue i'm trying to work through with mounting a volume on the same disk as my ubuntu install
[23:16] <unop> HappyHater, and how is piespy usually started?  is it a user application?
[23:16] <Jack_Sparrow> sca try /j #winehq
[23:16] <HappyHater> sudo sh run.sh
[23:17] <HappyHater> guess that's why they're locked, since I'm using sudo
[23:17] <sca> yep i already follow a howto but the game crash at start
[23:17] <Jack_Sparrow> sca Please see the peoiple at winehq
[23:17] <nosto> no sca he means the channel
[23:17] <unop> HappyHater, do you really have to run it under sudo ?
[23:17] <sca> oh ok
[23:17] <nosto> ./join #winehq
[23:17] <sca> thx
[23:17] <nosto> and ask there hehe
[23:17] <nosto> good luck!
[23:17] <FloodBot2> nosto: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:17] <histo> Has anyone used tightvnc-java with gutsy? I'm trying to trouble shoot a bug and I believe the package is not working.
[23:18] <HappyHater> I'll kill it and try again without it, but I think I had an issue with it not running before, brb
[23:18] <ciapsadm> Face placerea
[23:18] <unop> HappyHater, and it's better if you run the script this way.   sudo ./run.sh  #don't force it to be run under sh
[23:18] <nosto> LOL at calling my typing spam - thats nifty
[23:18] <HappyHater> ok
[23:18] <unop> HappyHater, but try and not use sudo where possible
[23:19] <jgabriel> hi guys, know any traslator like babylon for ubuntu??
[23:19] <J-n> afallenhope: post #45 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=773851&page=5
[23:20] <unop> nosto, the bot's just telling you to keep most of your responses to one lines where possible. rather than split them up into many smaller ones.
[23:20] <HappyHater> using just './run.sh' says permission denied
[23:20] <jgabriel> run chmod to run.sh
[23:20] <unop> HappyHater, that means you need to set the execute bit.    chmod +x ./run.sh
[23:20] <deus> using the commandline, how would i update my machine to a more recent version of ubuntu?
[23:20] <deus> apt-get upgrade?
[23:21] <J-n> afallenhope: Which solution did you try?
[23:21] <HappyHater> good deal, thanks unop
[23:21] <unop> deus, do you mean update all packages or upgrade to a new version of ubuntu?
[23:21] <zipper> deus, if you just want to update all your applications ect, 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
[23:21] <afallenhope> J-n, I've done them all. updated the kernel, then just ended up getting frustrated and frest installed.
[23:21] <deus> unop: upgrade to a new version
[23:22] <unop> deus, sudo aptitude install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:22] <deus> unop: any idea how likely it is to get complications after such an upgrdde?
[23:23] <afallenhope> J-n, I even change the write speed
[23:23] <unop> deus, there is always a possibility. so it's best if you backup what you can before attempting to upgrade - this goes for any upgrade, not just ubuntu.
[23:24] <Pirate_Hunter> just noticed a weird thing, while unninstalling transmission i saw in terminal score 188 and after choosing not to remove certain options i saw -88 what is that all about?
[23:26] <keithclark_> unop: I try to follow the directions as per !ati but when I try to open /etc/X11/xorg.conf all I get is a blank file.
[23:26] <J-n> afallenhope: none of the solutions i saw mentioned anything about needing to update the kernel, or changing write speed. They mention using Wine, and using cdrtools instead of wodim.
[23:26] <mirak> where are stored the files in the Trash of gnome ?
[23:27] <Pirate_Hunter> anyone care to explain what the score thing is all about?
[23:27] <afallenhope> J-n, but the solutions I found when I googled said change the speeds
[23:27] <unop> keithclark, right, that's because we moved it out of the way to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.messed_up # and xorg is now running without a conf file
[23:27] <keithclark_> unop: ok....but that does not help me install the ati drivers.
[23:27] <unop> keithclark_, you have two options - recreate a new conf file with   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   or  edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.messed_up file and save it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:27] <afallenhope> J-n, the issue is that my DVD rom isn't being picked up,. that's the issue
[23:27] <Jack_Sparrow> !trash
[23:28] <unop> keithclark, i would go with the former as i wouldn't trust the integrity of the messed_up version.
[23:28] <BM|redwings> Anyone have any idea why I can't run snes9x in fullscreen mode on my ps3 unless I use a 'fullscreen' ps3-video-mode (and thus have the associated overscan issues)?
[23:28] <J-n> afallenhope: not the error message you've been saying?
[23:29] <afallenhope> J-n, the reason why it can't read/write to it is because the "DVD ROM" isn't being read.
[23:29] <J-n> afallenhope: cause all the links i've been sending you have been related directly to your error code.
[23:29] <afallenhope> however... if I insert a CD .. it reads it.
[23:29] <keithclark_> unop: and if I redo it...will there be booting problems.
[23:29] <afallenhope> I have a blank DVD+R in the drive atm
[23:30] <J-n> afallenhope: it's a known bug. With workarounds available. I've sent you 3 distinct solutions that have worked for others. You have tried none of them, yet they are wrong?
[23:30] <afallenhope> J-n, I tried them lol.
[23:30] <unop> keithclark, quite possibly, i wouldn't say no - so always be prepared for that possibility - you'd still be able to boot up to get to a console tho - just the GUI part might be a little off.
[23:31] <keithclark_> unop: yes, but you showed me how to get out of that pickle.
[23:31] <afallenhope> J-n, I'm using K3B as one of them says. I tried using wine.. did the same thing.
[23:31] <J-n> afallenhope: then it's a hardware issue.
[23:31] <Pretto> where's the udevmonitor on intrepid?
[23:31] <keithclark_> unop: I say let me give it a shot.
[23:31] <afallenhope> J-n, how is it a hardware issue? if I insert a DVD right now.. it'll pick it up.. if the DVD is blank.. it wont.
[23:32] <J-n> afallenhope:  1 says use wine. and the other 2 involve Replacing wodim with cdrtools.
[23:32] <afallenhope> J-n, I have it! lol.
[23:33] <J-n> afallenhope: Then you should make out a bug report on cdrtools, and probally note in some offical place your inability to get this problem solved after using a workaround.
[23:34] <BM> stupid snes9x =\
[23:34] <afallenhope> J-n, I'll explain it in dept because perhaps I'm not saying it right. If  I insert a DVD with data on it.. I can view it and read it and access it. Same goes with a CD. I can burn CD's however, DVD.. when I insert a blank CD.. it doesn't pick up the drive.
[23:35] <GPhant> does anyone have a clue how to fix the crackling sound problems in Hardy? I have everything set to ALSA and i reboot and still, i get horrid sound. At that, doing a google search, i see a new way to "fix" it every time
[23:35] <keithclark_> unop: that redo the xorg did not work.  It will not finish.
[23:36] <J-n> afallenhope: cause as far as anyone else but you knows the workarounds work for everyone as the problem is in wodim. If it does not work for you, there are only 2 possible options. 1 it's a hardware issue, 2 it's related to the error code you mentioned which is thought to be because of wodim. -- Sorry i cannot help you further with your problems.
[23:36] <unop> keithclark, you mean the dpkg-reconfigure command?  where is it stuck at? if it is indeed stuck
[23:36] <keithclark_> unop: it is stuck at  For the X server to handle the keyboard correctly, a keyboard model must  ↑
[23:36] <keithclark_>  │ be entered.  Available models depend on which XKB rule set is in use.
[23:36] <keithclark_> unop: I cannot continue from there
[23:37] <xbxb> When I'm playing a long mp3 and choose another time location in the stream, totem movie player often hangs and cannot play the mp3. what can I do?
[23:37] <unop> keithclark, what does pressing TAB do there?
[23:37] <Pretto> no clue about udevmonitor on intrepid?
[23:37] <keithclark_> unop: it switches between the scroll bar and the ok button
[23:38] <afallenhope> J-n, I can't find the cdrtools :-s
[23:38] <unop> Pretto, intrepid questions to be asked in #ubuntu+1
[23:38] <Pretto> unop, ok.. sorry
[23:38] <unop> keithclark, well, when it is on the OK button, hit RETURN or ENTER
[23:38] <keithclark_> unop: I tried
[23:39] <Pirate_Hunter> im using screen to run irssi on one window and normal terminal on the other, but on the second screen (which im just using normal terminal) i cant scroll up or down not even using page up or page down, what could be the problem?
[23:39] <afallenhope> J-n, I'll try it one more time
[23:39] <unop> keithclark, hmm, are you sure you didn't try and click it with the mouse? (some people do that)
[23:39] <keithclark_> unop: you know what?  I'm tired of this.  I really tried here.  For two days.  It is just not going to work for me.
[23:40] <keithclark_> unop: thanks for trying though. I really appreciate the effort you are putting out for me and others
[23:40] <unop> keithclark_, you need patience for this. don't give up
[23:40] <keithclark_> unop: let me take a breath here
[23:41] <GPhant> meh
[23:41] <unop> keithclark, yea, good idea - go make a brew, have a sandwich or something - and come back - you'll feel better then - as i'm gonna do that too :)
[23:41] <mooja> Hello, I'm new to linux. Could anyone tell me if there is an open source alternative to dreamweaver?
[23:41] <Ward1983> if i want to install grub on a disk i want to choose when installing, i need to click advanced in the last screen/window right? but what do i need to type there?
[23:42] <Ward1983>  /dev/sdX ?
[23:42] <GPhant> mooja, i dont think there is, but, if you need to run dreamweaver, look up "virtualbox"
[23:42] <Pirate_Hunter> mooja: there are plenty the one i have of the top of my head is bluefish but there are others even more user friendly
[23:42] <mooja> GPhant, thanks. Is that a VMware type program?
[23:42] <Daft_Punk> !hi | me
[23:43] <GPhant> yes, its free
[23:43] <mooja> Pirate_Hunter: blue fish, ok - i'll check it out
[23:43] <Pirate_Hunter> Daft_Punk: dont abuse the bot
[23:43] <GPhant> and has a seamless mode (which is kinda cool)
[23:43] <Daft_Punk> seriously? I paid $100 for my linux
[23:43] <EvilDaemon> Daft_Punk: That's nice, but the bot is for help. Right bot?
[23:43] <Ward1983> Daft_Punk: he was talking about virtualbox.......
[23:43] <Pirate_Hunter> Daft_Punk: good for you people are paying more for Vista what can we do about it
[23:43] <EvilDaemon> !botsnack
[23:44] <J-n> lol
[23:44] <Daft_Punk> EvilDaemon, if the bot was just for help it wouldnt have a !hi command
[23:44] <GPhant> anyone know if the sound crackling problems have to do with the kernel? because when i search on google, for the problem im having, i get a new way to "fix" it every time
[23:44] <Funkah> Windows is a necessary evil for lots of people, but Vista is an unnecessary one.  Stick to xp :(
[23:45] <Pirate_Hunter> Daft_Punk: when the channel gets busy it is hard and frustrating saying hi to everyone that comes in
[23:45] <kevin__> question: windows has a feature (<windows_key + D> that shows the desktop by minimizing all active windows. Is there an equivilent  feature/keyboard shortcut in Ubuntu?
[23:45] <Pirate_Hunter> Daft_Punk: still dont abuse the bot
[23:45] <Daft_Punk> Pirate_Hunter, it doesn't look busy tho, does it?
[23:45] <Funkah> ctrl+alt+d
[23:45] <BM> gphant:  Not sure if its true, but i saw something claiming that removing ALSA and using OSS fixed it
[23:45] <Funkah> kevin__: ctrl+alt+d
[23:45] <EvilDaemon> Daft_Punk: don't abuse it, it can get you into trubbel.
[23:45] <Daft_Punk> EvilDaemon, i didn't abuse it...
[23:45] <kevin__> Funkah, ah! thanks!
[23:45] <zanberdo> much the way I can check the version of the kernel with uname -r, I had read there is a way to see which version of ubuntu I have installed, but I can't recall which file to look at...
[23:45] <NinjaBuntu> I am getting an error Message that i don't understand what to do... "You have 1 broken package on your system! Use the "Broken" filter to locate it." then the the close X button... I'm not entirely sure what it is telling me to do or how to use this filter. I got these error while trying to install update with the update manager. Any ideas?
[23:45] <GPhant> BM: ill give it a shot
[23:45] <GPhant> should i restart after setting it up?
[23:46] <Funkah> Very welcome!
[23:46] <BM> GPhant:  wouldnt be a bad thing
[23:46] <BM> GPhant: No guarantees =x
[23:46] <EvilDaemon> The !hi command if just for new users who randomly appear, saying 'hi, is there anyone here?'
[23:46] <EvilDaemon> Not to entertain yourself. ;-)
[23:46] <GPhant> yes, i know XD, ive spent like 2 days on this problem
[23:47] <GPhant> i cant survive without sound
[23:47] <GPhant> brb
[23:47] <Pirate_Hunter> NinjaBuntu: go into synaptic and use the broken filter to find broken package or try sudo dpkg -f I believe that should do it but do check with toehrs first
[23:47] <Ward1983> if i click advanced for setting up grub, what do i need to type? whats the format? ?dev?sdX ?
[23:47] <J-n> Hi, is there anyone here?
[23:47] <Ward1983> ffs
[23:47] <Ward1983>  /dev/sdX i mean
[23:47] <physically_fit> !hi | J-n
[23:47] <Daft_Punk> EvilDaemon, it was not used for entertainment purposes, it was used because I suffer from sever depression and the bot saying hi to me is preventing me from killing myself, now lets stick to on-topic conversations now
[23:47] <xan1th> ohmi!
[23:47] <EvilDaemon> *sigh*
[23:47] <J-n> !love > Daft_Punk
[23:47] <NinjaBuntu> Pirate_Hunter: thank you... I'll try that BRB...
[23:48] <EvilDaemon> !ohmi
[23:48] <EvilDaemon> !ohmy
[23:48] <keithclark_> unop: ok, I have a fresh homebrew and I'm ready to proceed calmly now.
[23:48] <Funkah> While I'm here, I don't suppose there's a way to bypass alsa only being able to handle one source of music?  Example:  If I load a youtube whilst listening to amarok, the video will stop at 2 seconds, no sound, and amarok'll freeze and not play music anymore.  Is this an Amarok thing or a general linux sound driver thing?
[23:48] <Daft_Punk> Funkah, use pulseaudio to fix that
[23:49] <Funkah> Daft_Punk:  Thankie dee, will look into it.
[23:49] <est14> Hi. I can't make my wireless work.
[23:50] <sako> should ubuntu always be clean installed every 6 months or can i keep upgrading?
[23:50] <Ward1983> ffs nobody?
[23:50] <Ward1983> nobody knows :s
[23:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Funkah Need sound from more than one app at a time..System->Preferences->Sound Preferences, select the alsa mixer device & the master channel.
[23:50] <GPhant> now luck :(
[23:50] <Pirate_Hunter> Ward1983: what does ffs stand for ask a question if you have one
[23:50] <physically_fit> !wifi > est14
[23:50] <Funkah> sako:  I think it's your choice, although I presume most people would suggest a fresh install.  I, personally, reinstall every few weeks, renaming my computer and clearing out the stuff I don't need in the process.
[23:50] <Ward1983> Pirate_Hunter: i cant type that in full here lol at least not the second word
[23:51] <Ward1983> Pirate_Hunter: for ... sakes :p
[23:51] <Realcoolguy> for fun sakes :D
[23:51] <Ward1983> loool
[23:51] <blisto1> How do I tell GDM to show BOTH X sessions simultaniously?  IE, I have two X sessions being started by GDM, each on its own physical display, using separate xorg.conf files.  I need BOTH display's to stay active at all times.
[23:51] <Funkah> Thanks, Jack_Sparrow.
[23:51] <Pirate_Hunter> Ward1983: :) ok than forget i asked
[23:51] <blisto1> idea's?
[23:51] <est14> physically_fit, thanks, let me look at it.
[23:51] <EvilDaemon> Ward1983: Well if this is a family friendly channel, then I suppose it isn't appropriate, hmm now?
[23:51] <Pirate_Hunter> Ward1983: but have you actually got a question
[23:51] <Ward1983> Pirate_Hunter: its more of a habit, dunno where i picked it up
[23:51]  * Funkah will fix it when computer is not in Japanese...  Can't not change the language when it's so darned easy.
[23:51] <eddwinpaz> hi everyone.. i need to login as root in graphic mode. how can i do that ?
[23:51] <garrettkajmowicz> I have an upgrade problem:  My server is running 6.10 and I want to upgrade (I only recently discovered that there is a useful upgrade tool).  Anyways, I run do-release-upgrade and it rewrites the sources list to include everything for feisty, but then complains that it can't pull the entries for edgy (because edgy is no in old-releases).  Any idea how I can make this work sanely?
[23:52] <Ward1983> EvilDaemon: i think you mean no, not now
[23:52] <Funkah> eddwinpaz: Sudo is not good enough?  You really want to log in as the actual root?  Knowing you could sudo?
[23:52] <Ward1983> Pirate_Hunter: yep i asked it a few times allready, here goes again:
[23:52] <Funkah> (Just seeing if you know which's what)
[23:52] <BM> garett:  have you done apt-get update?
[23:52] <EvilDaemon> garrettkajmowicz: Try #ubuntuserver or #ubuntu-server
[23:52] <Jack_Sparrow> eddwinpaz gksudo nautilus do your thing.. and exit quickly
[23:53] <Pirate_Hunter> eddwinpaz: why exactly do you need root login and especially with gui, what are you trying to do?
[23:53] <EvilDaemon> Ward1983: No, I mean what I said. "hmm now" is what was intentionally said.
[23:53] <Ward1983> Pirate_Hunter: i want to install grug on teh disk i choose, and i know i need to click advanced for that in the last window before it starts copying at installation, only i dunno what to type there anymore ( /dev/sdX ? )
[23:53] <Ward1983> EvilDaemon: aha sure im extremely sorry and i beg you for forbiveness :)
[23:53] <est14> physically_fit, let me go back and tell you I can't even connect via eth0.
[23:53] <Ward1983> forgiveness
[23:54] <J-n> !sudo | eddwinpaz
[23:54] <eddwinpaz> jack_sparrow , pirate_hunter i need to copy some files... to my httdoc folder.
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> eddwinpaz gksudo nautilus do your thing.. and exit quickly
[23:54] <Ward1983> Pirate_Hunter: grub that is offcourse, not grug lol
[23:54] <Pirate_Hunter> Ward1983: man fdisk should help you find out how to look at your hd and allow you to chosoe the write one but you're going to have to do some reading also look at ubotu message on installing grub
[23:54] <Pirate_Hunter> !grub > Ward1983
[23:54] <eddwinpaz> jacksparrow gksudo ?
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Ward1983 sudo fdisk -l
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> !gksudo
[23:54] <eddwinpaz> im on natilus what then ?
[23:55] <garrettkajmowicz> EvilDaemon: No one there.
[23:55] <garrettkajmowicz> nm
[23:55] <Ward1983> Jack_Sparrow: im talking about the installation :(
[23:55] <EvilDaemon> Ward1983: uh, no need to be sorry.  Questions are meant to be asked. :)
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> eddwinpaz from terminal..  gksudo nautilus
[23:55] <est14> physically_fit, something is wrong with the interface. When I do dhclient eth0 it throws "not configured".
[23:55] <bring2towels> eddwinpaz, you might want to just change the permissions on that directory to give your user access, or look up the apache docs about virtual hosts
[23:55] <GPhant> ugggh, this sound problem is driving me crazy
[23:55] <afallenhope> J-n, still doesn't work.
[23:55] <BM> Anyone have any idea why I can't run snes9x in fullscreen mode on my ps3 unless I use a 'fullscreen' ps3-video-mode (and thus have the associated overscan issues)?
[23:55] <Pirate_Hunter> Ward1983: oh and i thought at first you meant installing drug until i corrected myself cause it made no sense yet made me smirk
[23:55] <Ward1983> why does nobody know what i mean lol
[23:55] <afallenhope> J-n, now pretty much nothing works :-s
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> eddwinpaz if you are talkg apache// they have a channel
[23:55] <bring2towels> !repeat | Ward1983
[23:55] <EvilDaemon> garretkajmowicz: #ubuntu-server with the hyphen is the server one, not the other one. Sorry, hehe.
[23:55] <eddwinpaz> no no no im using xampp
[23:56] <Ward1983> bring2towels: im not repeating my question....
[23:56] <Ward1983> what is the problem here today????
[23:56] <eddwinpaz> jack_sparrow im using xampp and i am on /opt/lampp/lampp/
[23:56] <zipper> est14, you sure you have 'eth0' interface in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[23:56] <Funkah> Yeah, to do that, edd, I chowned the folder.  I use lampp too.
[23:56] <bring2towels> eddwinpaz, apache is the "a" in xampp
[23:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Ward1983 because your questions are not clear and others are ignoring you due to offtopic chatter
[23:56] <bring2towels> !patience | Ward1983
[23:56] <Jack_Sparrow> eddwinpaz /j #apache
[23:56] <eddwinpaz> jack_sparrow and i need to copy some of my old .php files over there.. and also create a www folder inside httdocos
[23:56] <lucax> im having troubles connection to ares using wine... i doesnt connect-- i have firestarter could that be the problem or any other idea?
[23:57] <EvilDaemon> Ward1983 just settle, ask a question, once it's answered, settle down and play with ubuntu. :-)
[23:57] <bring2towels> lucax, what is "ares"? also you might want to check in #winehq
[23:57] <Ward1983> :s
[23:57] <Jack_Sparrow> lucax /j #winehq
[23:57] <est14> zipper, no, actually.
[23:57] <Ward1983> but i have no answer.....
[23:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Ward1983 Please stop
[23:57] <eddwinpaz> jack_sparrow i just need priviliges to access my httdocs folder to create a folder.. and paste my .php files.. no need no move to #apache channel
[23:57] <Ward1983> in fact i use ubuntu for a couple of years now...
[23:57] <Ward1983> i only forgot what to type there in that window at installation
[23:57] <st3ph> lucax,  what u need to know about ares?
[23:58] <Jack_Sparrow> eddwinpaz if you wont listen to our answers why are you here
[23:58] <Pirate_Hunter> Ward1983: if you dont stop you will get kicked
[23:58] <bring2towels> Ward1983, if you have a question, feel free to repeat it, otherwise people don't know what you are asking, you can just copy+paste and not type the whole thing again
[23:58] <BM> eddwinpaz:  sudo cp /path/to/*.php /path/to/copy
[23:58] <est14> zipper, I wonder why...
[23:58] <Ward1983> lol i was answering somobody is that forbidden?
[23:58] <Pirate_Hunter> Ward1983: what i told you to do should help you
[23:58] <penguino> scrotum
[23:58] <bring2towels> !who | Ward1983
[23:58] <zipper> est14, thats wierd, there should be an entry for it if it was detected by ubuntu during install... hmm....
[23:58] <eddwinpaz> BM i dont want to do that i want to copy like i used to do on windows.. copy the folder and paste
[23:58] <bring2towels> !language | penguino
[23:59] <bring2towels> eddwinpaz, what i always do is make a directory inside the htdocs, set the owner to my user, and use that
[23:59] <BM> eddwinpaz: no idea then... never use the UI for stuff like that =x
[23:59] <zipper> est14, i guess you could try manually adding an entry for it, but i'm not sure it will work. Since it wasn't there by default, i'm guessing it wont work properly (or at all)
[23:59] <est14> zipper, how can I fix it? It seems to be up on the "network config" app.


[00:17] <xnox> mpt: surely the toolbar doesn't hide instantly upon clicking back but stay around for a little while for rapid back tapping
[11:12] <mpt> xnox, good point, maybe it does.
[11:12] <mpt> xnox, but it would be odd if it was there initially on going back, but not initially on going in.
[11:16] <xnox> mpt: if one had proximity sensors toolbar could be revealed upon finger hovering over the bottom edge.
[11:19] <mpt> Yes, we are living through a brief but glorious window of hover-effect-free computing
[11:27] <xnox> mpt: have you seen microsoft big table (the surface table) ? =)))))
[17:08] <czajkowski> ckpringle: ping
[17:08] <czajkowski> ckpringle: something is wrong with the links in the blog post that go to G+
[17:09] <czajkowski> ckpringle: http://design.canonical.com/2013/02/app-patterns-applied-core-utilities-for-ubuntu-on-phones/  as an example when I click on the G+  just makes my address bar go odd with a long url but never posts
[17:13]  * mpt ponders labelling a button "Remove & Install", and wonders whether that would seem vaguely contradictory
[17:13] <czajkowski> just a tad
[17:14] <czajkowski> and very confusing
[17:14] <snwh> mpt, why not 'or'?
[17:15] <mpt> snwh, because it's doing both
[17:15] <mpt> Removing item B that conflicts with about-to-be-installed item A.
[17:16] <snwh> Oh, I see. What is this for?
[17:22] <mpt> snwh, bug 704155
[17:24] <ckpringle> czajkowski: oh, strange?
[17:24] <czajkowski> ckpringle: happens on all of them
[17:24] <czajkowski> let me pm you the url
[17:24] <ckpringle> czajkowski: I've never tried to G+ them!!!
[17:24] <czajkowski> :(
[17:26] <thorwil> mpt: "Remove Conflicting Package and Install" ... long, but "Resolve Conflict ..." is vague and "Remove Conflict" doesn't say how
[17:26] <czajkowski> not sure why it doesn't post like the others though
[17:28] <mpt> thorwil, indeed
[17:28] <thorwil> though i guess you are trying to keep "package" out of user-facing language
[17:31] <thorwil> if the dialog is very clear about what is going to happen, you might get away with an "Apply", which avoids the remove-> what?, install -> what? problem
[17:35] <snwh> mpt, there's always "Supplant" ;)
[17:35] <mpt> haha
[17:38] <mpt> snwh, thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwarePackageOperations?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=install-conflict.png
[17:41] <czajkowski> hmm any idea why there isnt any sharing feature available on http://www.canonical.com/content/touch-developer-preview-ubuntu-be-published-21-february-2013
[17:41] <snwh> mpt, what is the current behaviour?
[17:41] <mpt> snwh, "Install" is just insensitive
[17:43] <thorwil> mpt: at that point, the user already stated intention to install, right? so that dialog is a detour and can simply say "Remove items" (vs "Cancel installation")
[17:46] <mpt> There's a fine line between making the affirmative button contain a warning that continuing will do something unexpected, and making it say the complete opposite of what you're expecting. :-)
[17:48] <snwh> mpt, what if it were "Continue Installing" as the removal is implied in the 'warning'
[17:48] <mpt> snwh, so what I mean by "making the affirmative button contain a warning" is, containing a hint for the sake of people who wouldn't otherwise read the primary text
[17:49] <mpt> Most often, this hint is the word "Anyway"
[17:49] <snwh> oh. those people.
[17:49] <thorwil> i think warning about removal trumps reassurance that this is the way to continue
[17:49] <mpt> heh, yes, thooose people
[17:49] <mpt> E.g. if you read the button "Install Anyway", you'd think "whoa, anyway despite what?", and might read the primary text when you wouldn't have otherwise.
[17:50] <mpt> But I think this case deserve something a bit stronger than "Anyway"
[17:50] <mpt> +s
[17:53] <snwh> i thought of 'replace', but that wouldnt always be the case
[17:56] <snwh> mpt, but of course package A could remove B & C
[17:57] <mpt> yep
[18:00] <snwh> mpt, do you have a dot grid that you start all of those mockups with?
[18:00] <mpt> snwh, yes, http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/squaredots/
[18:01] <snwh> mpt, thanks! I was looking for something like that the other day
[18:44]  * snwh thinks he should probably finish that apport icon for mpt.
[19:00] <mpt> yay :-)


[00:44] <Jordan_U> @duration 52281, 30 days
[03:54] <rolling> watch out!
[03:54] <rolling> honky
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[09:37] <Mamarok> now this invariant guy is getting highly annoying, in #k
[11:35] <bazhang> I would have +q 'd him
[14:31] <jrib>  /b #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:31] <jrib> umm
[14:33] <bazhang> haha
[14:33] <bazhang> +b *!*@*  you mean
 use pastebin for 4+ lines deepm
[15:54] <bazhang> 4+ ?
[15:55] <bazhang> some odd advice from blackness
[16:19] <jussi> bazhang: that sounds normal advice...?
[16:21] <bazhang> jussi, replacing HDD's? checking lot numbers of hardware builds?
[16:21] <bazhang> tons more like that
[16:39] <bazhang> augh
[16:39] <bazhang> "let me google for you"     "sudo su to get root"
[16:39] <bazhang> he's been told multiple times about these sorts of "advice"
 i need a top firewall for ubuntu, one that will even erase the data on my hard drive if tappered with
[17:31] <genii-around> There's just too many things wrong with that question to even bother
[17:32] <bazhang> cue: mission impossible theme song
[17:32] <genii-around> Heh!
[17:39] <mneptok> zoom and enhance.
[19:15] <genii-around> bazhang: Ah, the "Canonical is spying on me!" freakout again


[18:51] <pleia2> just learned about this now, ubuntu + openstack at thirsty bear https://ubuntubeerstack.eventbrite.com/
[18:51] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu BeerStack @VMworld- Eventbrite]
[19:43] <grantbow> pleia2: thanks for the link. I'd love to go but tonight at 7 isn't possible for me. I hope others can take advantage of it.


 am I able to use piratebay with ktorrent?
[03:11] <genii> Well, they got an answer.
[03:12] <bazhang> looks like the same guy that could not get magnet to work
[06:38] <k1l_> * Paulus68_1 need a mod in #ubuntu server
[06:41] <Myrtti> and either they go silent or whatever
[06:41] <Myrtti> or its paulus himself
[06:42] <Myrtti> huhwhat
[06:47] <bazhang> Paulus68_1, did you have some issue
[06:47] <Paulus68_1> bazhang: problems in ubuntu server
[06:47] <bazhang> Paulus68_1, what problems
[06:48] <Paulus68_1> bazhang: Myrtti is busy with the guy
[06:48] <Paulus68_1> bazhang: user Index posting links of sites he has hacked or he claims to be doing that
[06:49] <bazhang> Paulus68_1, it's being taken care of; there's no need to stay here
[06:49] <Paulus68_1> ok thought to leave ops open but if your prefer not then I will close the tab
 hw do i ubntu
[10:59] <k1l_> can some -offtopic op take a look at that one that i already muted in #ubuntu?
[11:02] <Guest62080> llift the ban
[11:02] <Myrtti> nope.
[11:03] <Guest62080> GUVMENT CHUTDOWN
[11:03] <Guest62080> haven't you heard
[11:03] <Guest62080> GUVMENT CHUTDOWN
[11:04] <Guest62080> ooooh she is a little runaway
[11:13] <IdleOne> busy night
[11:14] <Myrtti> you don't say
[11:14] <IdleOne> I did
[11:14] <IdleOne> How are you Myrtti ?
[11:15] <Myrtti> in need of painkillers, pizza and chocolate
[11:15] <Myrtti> and some brain
[11:15] <Myrtti> brain missing
[11:16] <Myrtti> trying to plan a Scrum training at work
[11:16] <DJones> Myrtti: Thank you for mentioning painkillers, reminds me to take diazapan
[11:17] <Myrtti> mmm
[11:21] <IdleOne> That is a very specific list of needs
[11:22] <IdleOne> I don't have any of those items.
[11:22] <jussi> Myrtti: I would happily share a pizza with you - havent eaten sincemy 6:30am porridge
[11:22] <jussi> however, I think you might be a little far away atm
[11:23] <Myrtti> yes, well, Hervanta is far from everywhere
[11:45] <Tm_T> I disagree
[11:47] <Myrtti> it's 2,50€ far away from town if you don't have a bus card...
[15:48] <Pici> Please write your advice on a self addressed stamped envelope and mail it to me. Don't post here.
[15:48] <ikonia> I appreciated that one
[15:49] <genii> The guy seems a little ....off...
[15:50] <Pici> yeah...
[15:50] <ikonia> actually possibly gigahurtz,
[15:50] <ikonia> zfs help
[15:50] <ikonia> raid help
[15:50] <ikonia> being a tool to me
[15:50] <ikonia> new nickname
 sudo rm -rf /  -server
[16:10] <Pici> I kicked them.
[16:11] <bazhang> in #ubuntu-server
[16:11] <IdleOne> removed
[16:11] <genii> Sometimes I think the bot should be made to look for the command in messages and automatically do the !danger
[16:12] <Pici> o
[16:15] <ikonia> ok, so chaotic_good is either really really weak technically and pretending to be super good, based on what he's been saying in #bash, or just trolling (which I don't think he is)
[16:15] <Myrtti> am I grumpy old git?
[16:16] <IdleOne> I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that you are probably really grumpy and will kick me
[16:16] <Myrtti> fair enough
[16:16] <genii> Myrtti: Nah
[16:16] <Pici> git status
[16:17] <bazhang> Myrtti, quite young and vibrant afaict
[16:19] <bazhang> remove seems not enough for the darkxploiter
[16:19] <ikonia> he's had his final warning
[17:32] <genii> I'm sensing lots of wubi-hate in #u
[17:33] <k1l> imho wubi is just for teasing windows users.
[17:51] <bazhang> chaotic_good just seems to be spewing totally ot nonsense at this point
 Hey Guys! My Name is John N! How yall doing?  <--- just a heads up
[17:56] <Pici> where?
[17:57] <bazhang> not yet in ubuntu channels, but thats his next stop
[17:57] <bazhang> fn,df,then ubuntu
[18:34] <genii> wth command is ll ??
[18:34] <genii> ( samsita )
[18:35] <genii> samsit87 rather
[18:35] <jbroome> an alias for ls -l, usually
[18:35] <genii> Interesting
[18:35] <jbroome> and really annoying when it isn't on solaris machines.  that's apparently muscle memory now
[18:37] <genii> If he's a new user then he probably isn't savvy enough to have added that alias which makes me thing he's not running *buntu but something else
[18:37] <IdleOne> ll is a default alias
[18:37] <IdleOne> least it is on my machine and I didn't add it
[18:39] <jbroome> yeah on most modern linux distros it's already setup
[18:41] <genii> Interesting, not here.
[18:41] <genii> But then I have the same bashrc since 8.04
[18:42] <jbroome> maybe it wasn't on centos6, i don'te see it in any of the /etc/skel/dotfiles
[18:49] <Myrtti> it's on Debian
[18:49] <Myrtti> no wait
[18:49] <Myrtti> nevermind
[18:49] <Myrtti> I fell for it
[18:50] <Myrtti> I think it's a sign
[18:50] <Myrtti> -->