[12:00] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, it be more than just ctrl alt bkspace
[12:00] <RMeist> ctrl alt f11 perhaps?
[12:01] <B_166-ER-X> kemik ,  still having the same error message :\
[12:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> RMeist, is that a guess?
[12:01] <brunna> oi
[12:01] <B_166-ER-X> Your $HOME/.dmrc file has incorrect permissions and is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from
[12:01] <B_166-ER-X> being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions.
[12:01] <mattlacey> someuser: ctrl+alt+backspace will restart the x server
[12:01] <RMeist> Sonny_Wertzik: I recall such a keyb combi with f11 or f11 and indeed bckspc
[12:01] <someuser> i got nothing to loos, so i give it a tray :)
[12:01] <RMeist> Sonny_Wertzik: f12
[12:01] <brunna> oi
[12:01] <RMeist> ey brunna :)
[12:01] <someuser> oh i see, i'll tray.
[12:02] <brunna> td bom?
[12:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> heh
[12:02] <snorks> Day changed to 27 Sep 2005
[12:02] <B_166-ER-X> help?
[12:02] <RMeist> help
[12:02] <eyez_> can I use winamp in Ubuntu? or there is another good media player program i can get
[12:03] <snorks> eyez_: xmms looks like winamp
[12:03] <RMeist> xmms is ok
[12:03] <robertj> eyez: xmms = winamp, rhythmbox = itunes
[12:03] <eyez_> snorks, where can i get it?
[12:03] <rambo3> apt?
[12:03] <Kovecses> apt-get install xmms
[12:03] <snorks> eyez_: apt-cache search xmms
[12:03] <snorks> eyez_: and then get xmms and the plugins you see fit
[12:03] <Kovecses> apt-get install xmms-skins   too
[12:03] <robertj> eyez: use synaptic pack manager from the system menu
[12:04] <snorks> eyez_: most likely xmms-esd (or xmms-esound) something like that
[12:04] <Kovecses> hey guys im getting .......Mounting Local Filesystems......failed    at boot?
[12:04] <mattlacey> eyez: amaroK is my fave, but you have to download a lot of kde stuff :P
[12:04] <brunna> algum fla portugues???
[12:05] <Nameless12> i NEED some more help, i have edited my xorg.conf AGAIN and ubuntu loads, but the 15" lcd turns off and then turns back on as ubuntu loads, after it turns back on its stuck in clone mode. can someone help me this is sooo shitting me off i have my xorg.conf on paste bin at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2566
[12:05] <HAMM3R> Any ideas on how i can get mbmon to be able to run by a non-root users. (no sudo either) ?
[12:05] <kbfx|Nookie^> is it legal to sell original ubuntu cd which you can recive on ubuntu:s homepage on a page similar to ebay___
[12:06] <snorks> kbfx|Nookie^: kinda ruins the whole point. pls dont, and pls tell whoevery ou know to not do it
[12:06] <Diskgrind> Since Ubuntu is free of charge.. why try to sell it??
[12:06] <snorks> kbfx|Nookie^: about legal issues, i dont know
[12:06] <chavo> yes, it's legal
[12:06] <spermite> i screwed my computer up by typing the wrong command in. the command was rm -r /home/devin/usr/src.. is there a way i can fix this?????
[12:06] <ompaul> Diskgrind, how do you mean sell?
[12:06] <dfeed> Hey everyone. I've screwed up my system and was wondering if anyone could help me get things working again... I've accidentally broken my /etc/fstab file. It mounts my root system as read only, so I can't change it back. What's the best way to sort this out?
[12:06] <kbfx|Nookie^> snorks: i saw it today on this page one sec... hee takes about 6 dollar for a cd
[12:06] <Diskgrind> He mentioned trying to sell it on ebay or soemthing,...
[12:06] <kbfx|Nookie^> http://www.tradera.com/search/imp.aspx?search=ubuntu&catid=&county=0&l_desc=
[12:07] <azeem> hi
[12:07] <snorks> kbfx|Nookie^: if he spends those 6 dollars on porto, i wouldn't mind it a bit :)
[12:07] <specialbuddy> does anyone know how to install superkaramba?
[12:07] <kbfx|Nookie^> yeah but the porto is 1 dollar
[12:07] <funkyHat> dfeed, stick a live cd in, boot, mount the filesystem, and change it
[12:07] <ompaul> Diskgrind, if you want disks of it you are entitled to pay for it
[12:07] <snorks> spermite: that sounds very bad
[12:07] <rambo3> if its gnome and ubuntu use gdesklets
[12:07] <Seveas> dfeed, sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/your_root
[12:07] <Diskgrind> ok
[12:07] <funkyHat> haha
[12:07] <Diskgrind> what ever.. floats his boat
[12:07] <backslash83> guys a stupid question, i always recompiled vanilla kernel, how do i apply ubuntu patches?
[12:07] <funkyHat> or do that
[12:07] <rambo3> instead of karamnba
[12:08] <specialbuddy> well no one is in the kubuntu room so I want to use karamba
[12:08] <azeem> The automatic Shared Folder/SMB system seems to require a password from remote users, can I disable that somehow?
[12:08] <whyameye> I have a DVD stuck in my drive. It won
[12:08] <dfeed> Seveas: That sounds good. I'll give it a try. Thanks.
[12:08] <whyameye> 't mount and I can't get it to eject.
[12:08] <P229> kbfx|Nookie^: technically, no, unless you fail to supply the source code
[12:09] <snorks> azeem: there hsould be something in smb.conf that defines that
[12:09] <P229> kbfx|Nookie^: but IANAL. furthermore, that would be a really scuzzy thing to do
[12:09] <RMeist> niice
[12:09] <bettong_BOFH> is there a bench mark test for computers that use ubuntu?
[12:09] <brunna> por favor.....algum pode me explicar como eu vo pra um canal??
[12:09] <ompaul> spermite, if you really want to recover files in there you could look for the 'coroner toolkit'
[12:09] <Nameless12> i NEED some more help, i have edited my xorg.conf AGAIN and ubuntu loads, but the 15" lcd turns off and then turns back on as ubuntu loads, after it turns back on its stuck in clone mode. can someone help me this is sooo shitting me off i have my xorg.conf on paste bin at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2566
[12:10] <Kovecses> Nameless12, what vid card do you have?
[12:10] <azeem> snorks: hrm
[12:10] <brunna> algum fla portuguesss????
[12:10] <ompaul> bettong_BOFH, we are the bench test and we say its better
[12:10] <Toba> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-image-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-34.6_i386.deb
[12:10] <Toba>   Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[12:10] <jamey3> does anyone here have experience with dansguardian??
[12:10] <bettong_BOFH> lol
[12:10] <Toba> wtf is that?
[12:10] <cevizoglu> GNeRaL: selam
[12:10] <Toba> do I have a dead repository?
[12:10] <bettong_BOFH> i mean for hardware
[12:10] <bettong_BOFH> that ubuntu runs
[12:10] <snorks> azeem: maybe public = yes, guest ok = yes
[12:10] <thatguy> !about w32codecs
[12:10] <ubotu> thatguy: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:10] <Nameless12> Kovecses, i have a x800pro agp
[12:11] <thatguy> whas the trigger again?
[12:11] <bettong_BOFH> i KNOW ubuntu scores 1000% outta a possible score of 100
[12:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> whyameye: stick a paperclip in the small hole on the front.
[12:11] <Kovecses> debian
[12:11] <Kovecses> baby
[12:11] <Toba> "!tell me about", th
[12:11] <spermite> ompaul well its a fresh install didnt have many files just want to be able to fix this where i can log back on to kde, right now its saying " could not read network connection list. //DCOPserver_debian_0
[12:11] <Toba> *thatguy
[12:11] <jamey3> does anyone here have experience with dansguardian??
[12:11] <Nameless12> Kovecses, if you check the xorg file at
[12:11] <Nameless12> deb  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2566 thats got ALL the info
[12:11] <Toba> !tell thatguy about w32codecs
[12:11] <thatguy> rad
[12:11] <thatguy> thanks
[12:11] <Toba> np
[12:11] <whyameye> FlyingSquirrel32: so I won't damage the drive if it is still trying to read the DVD (and making a terrible grinding sound) while I force the eject?
[12:12] <ompaul> spermite, how does this relate to your deleted files?
[12:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> brunna: espanol?
[12:12] <spermite> ompaul not sure, i guess it deleted everything
[12:13] <Kovecses> Nameless12, first of all..... you have two driver section
[12:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> whyameye: no garrenties, but if it's grinding, turn the computer off first.
[12:13] <backslash83> does the linux-sources package have ubuntu patches already applied?
[12:13] <Kovecses> Nameless12, first of all..... you have two driver sections
[12:13] <bettong_BOFH> lol
[12:13] <Nameless12> Kovecses, ?? i do, gimmie a sec to check that
[12:13] <Kovecses> Nameless12, did you follow the instructions on ubuntu?
[12:13] <ompaul> spermite, if you did as you said I strongly suggest you reinstall and stay away from rm -r for a long time :)
[12:13] <whyameye> FlyingSquirrel32: yeah maybe the best plan is to just turn the power switch off. I can't shut down because the mount process won't die, even with kill -9...
[12:13] <Toba> ompaul: lol
[12:13] <Toba> rm -r is not your friend
[12:14] <Kovecses> Nameless12, you have driver "ati" driver "fglrx" right after one enother
[12:14] <Nameless12> Kovecses, wait a sec let me check this 1st, i followed a combination of various instructions
[12:14] <bettong_BOFH> sudo rm- r is
[12:14] <FlyingSquirrel32> whyameye: go for it...
[12:14] <nxv_> is there a special skype package for breezy? i downloaded the deb package but cant install: it says skype depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:<IP_ADDRESS>);
[12:14] <Toba>  if you hate yourself and want to erase your hard drive, you can always do /exec rm -rf / in irssi or xchat :)
[12:14] <Nameless12> Kovecses, i got help to fix my video card off a guy here to do with fglrx, he fixed it. im not on 5.04 im on 5.10 preview and yeah
[12:14] <bettong_BOFH> lol
[12:14] <Kovecses> Nameless12, fglrx is the way to go if you have an ati card
[12:14] <ompaul> Toba, lets leave that alone before someone tries to do it and then comes in crying
[12:15] <bettong_BOFH> hey does anyone know how to turn off v-sync in ubuntu?
[12:15] <bettong_BOFH> useing a nvidia card
[12:15] <someuser> wohooo i'm back & it's working :}  !!!!
[12:15] <Toba> ompaul: heh, yeah but I said specifically that it was a bad thing to do
[12:15] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, cool!
[12:15] <snorks> i executed a command that was written in here in this channel, and now my system wont shut down. im using irssi
[12:15] <Nameless12> Kovecses,     Driver                "ati"Driver "fglrx"  so  i change ati to fglrx and reboot?
[12:15] <ompaul> Toba, that never stopped anyone before
[12:15] <eyez_> When trying to configure my xmms i get an error configure:2398: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH any one can help what that means?
[12:15] <spiral_shell> how do I restart ubuntu from the commandline?
[12:15] <ompaul> bettong_BOFH, no idea
[12:15] <coz> Hello all
[12:16] <bettong_BOFH> damn
[12:16] <someuser> :) now i get good refresh rate :}
[12:16] <Toba> ompaul: quite true!
[12:16] <coz>  I am going to ask you  guys something about ubuntu breezy]
[12:16] <RMeist> someuser: kill -1 l:P nooo:) reboot
[12:16] <bettong_BOFH> v-sync is slowing down my game
[12:16] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, i gues the site i found ur monitor specs on was legit
[12:16] <FlyingSquirrel32> nxv_: did you try to download that package?
[12:16] <coz>  I have been trying to get this OS to play dvd's with no results
[12:16] <Kovecses> Nameless12, no ..  it should just read...... Driver   "fglrx"
[12:16] <coz>  does nayone have suggestions/solutions?
[12:16] <someuser> it's good !
[12:16] <Kovecses> Nameless12, you have two driver lines
[12:16] <Nameless12> oops yeah fixed that
[12:16] <ompaul> spiral_shell, can you give more detail what you are trying to achieve
[12:16] <someuser> 10q once agin :)
[12:17] <FlyingSquirrel32> search libqt3c102-mt in Google, take the first link and scroll down to "Download libqt3c102-mt"
[12:17] <Nameless12> Kovecses, brb after reboot (if i have more probs)
[12:17] <spiral_shell> ompaul I am trying to restart the OS..
[12:17] <someuser> can i bother you with another quiestion :)
[12:17] <FlyingSquirrel32> nxv_  ^That was for you
[12:17] <dfeed> Awesome, that worked.
[12:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser,  u should be able to pick different resolutions in screen resolutions under system-preferences
[12:17] <thoreauputic> spiral_shell: you mean reboot?
[12:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, sure
[12:18] <spiral_shell> ompaul it seems as though there is runaway process.. webserver is very slow
[12:18] <spiral_shell> thoreauputic yes
[12:18] <someuser> yes, i can, but dont need to, coz it's selected 85Hz on tiself
[12:18] <Ryouga> anyone else having problems with the colony 5 livecd?
[12:18] <eyez_> When trying to configure my xmms i get an error configure:2398: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH any one can help what that means?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> spiral_shell: sudo shutdown -r now
[12:18] <ompaul> spiral_shell, sudo shutdown -r now
[12:18] <Ryouga> I can't get X to load correctly anywhere
[12:18] <thoreauputic> ompaul: :)
[12:18] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, whats the other question?
[12:18] <NiCKeL> im new to linux (complete noob) and installed ubuntu in hope of gaining knowledge, i did the install it went good ran updates on the net and it went good rebooted and now my net is gone
[12:18] <ompaul> touche
[12:18] <spiral_shell> ompaul does that restart or shutdown?
[12:18] <ompaul> restarts
[12:18] <arkanes> eyez_: presumably, you don't have a C compiler installed, try installing GCC
[12:18] <thoreauputic> spiral_shell: restart
[12:18] <NiCKeL> i chekced th0 and it was not active so i actived it
[12:18] <NiCKeL> but now my net still isnt up
[12:18] <ompaul> spiral_shell, sudo shutdown -h now << shutdown
[12:18] <NiCKeL> how do i get it to work?
[12:19] <someuser> i have add new lang' but don't know how to swich betwin them
[12:19] <spiral_shell> ompaul ok -r for restart -h for shutdown
[12:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, what lang?
[12:19] <someuser> hebrew :)
[12:19] <thoreauputic> spiral_shell: yup
[12:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, hmmm....1 sec ok?
[12:19] <someuser> np :)
[12:19] <dfeed> So, I've just resized my Windows partition and created a new ext3 filesystem in the space that created. What do I need to add to fstab to load that filesystem so I can use it for stuff?
[12:20] <Nameless12> Kovecses, im back, well ubuntu still works fine. But its STILL not in dual monitors. 1 monitor is in clone mode :(
[12:20] <someuser> take all the time you need
[12:20] <NiCKeL> how do i renew my ip address?
[12:20] <NiCKeL> ifconfig
[12:20] <Kovecses> Nameless12, paste the xorg.conf again
[12:20] <NiCKeL> i know views it
[12:20] <NiCKeL> but i dunno how to renew
[12:21] <ThePyromaniac> anyone know why i have so many broken icons in my breezy installation? also, why do my toolbars always rest to their default locations.
[12:21] <Nameless12> Kovecses, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2567
[12:21] <boxerboy> its a lil late for me to ask this now but i couldnt boot to ubuntu after i guess touching something in mandriva was there a way i could have fixed that other than reinstalling?
[12:22] <RMeist> ow whell
[12:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, u there?
[12:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: I'm checking...
[12:22] <someuser> yes
[12:22] <NiCKeL> thanks FlyingSquirrel32
[12:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, do you need to switch the keyboard to hebrew?
[12:22] <someuser> yes..
[12:22] <someuser> is there a shortcut
[12:22] <Diskgrind> I would like help regarding installing a printer?
[12:23] <Kovecses> Nameless12, both of your screens are pointing to the same place in xorg.conf   thats why it is cloned
[12:23] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: I think the easiest way is: "ifdown eth0" and then "ifup eth0"
[12:23] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, ok if you right click on the icon panel that slides in and out??? u know the 1 i mean?
[12:23] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: Of course that assumes the interface is called eth0, but that's the norm.
[12:23] <Nameless12> Kovecses, do you mean to the same device??? but its all on the same video card, x800 has 2 plugs in the back of it
[12:24] <someuser> i think i do
[12:24] <stian> isnt the ubuntu kernel compiled for HIGHMEMORY?
[12:24] <NiCKeL> i dont understand it was working untill i rebooted
[12:24] <someuser> the lower taskbar? where the trash bin is?
[12:24] <Kovecses> Nameless12, yes i understand its on the same card......but the display listed in the device section is 2:0:0  ... so your card thinks there is only one monitor
[12:24] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, heh or any what u would call the taskbar in windows...u know now?
[12:24] <someuser> :)
[12:25] <someuser> Properties?
[12:25] <stian> what is the name for the tcl package?
[12:25] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, ya right click a blank area and select add panel
[12:25] <Nameless12> Kovecses, just a sec im gona look at someone elses config on a forum, (he has a radeon card too)
[12:25] <Kovecses> !find tcl
[12:25] <someuser> keboard indicator?   :(
[12:25] <Diskgrind> Can some one give me help about installing a printer?
[12:25] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: Let me know how it goes.
[12:25] <someuser> GOT IT ! :}
[12:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> some there is a keyboard selector in there ..it sets a little icon u can click back and fourth to english i think
[12:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, never tried it tho
[12:26] <eyez_> I want to get the newest grafik driver for my Gforce from nvidia home page. but i am not sure what version of linux i got (there are 3 of them to choice from on the site)
[12:26] <someuser> its working :}
[12:26] <someuser>    ?
[12:26] <Kovecses> Nameless12, i think if you.... apt-get install fglrxcontrol you can set up dual screens with a nice gui
[12:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, can u use it for what u want to do?
[12:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: I'm not too good, but since no one else is volunteering, I guess I'll try
[12:26] <NiCKeL> nah i cant get net working
[12:26] <NiCKeL> i dunno why
[12:26] <someuser> this was hebrew, did you see it?
[12:26] <NiCKeL> it was working
[12:26] <NiCKeL> damnit
[12:26] <NiCKeL> =/
[12:26] <ompaul> yes
[12:27] <Diskgrind> Ok thanks
[12:27] <ompaul> someuser, yes
[12:27] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, ya cool
[12:27] <Nameless12> Kovecses, i installed that but i got no shortcut
[12:27] <someuser> :)
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: are you using a static address or DHCP?
[12:27] <Diskgrind> I have an HPdeskjet 5550 and found no linux drivers on there site
[12:27] <Kovecses> Nameless12, in the term type   fglrxconfig
[12:27] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, ya im jewish too
[12:27] <ompaul> someuser, no idea what it was
[12:27] <azeem> not here
[12:27] <azeem> 00:22 < someuser> 1m!- Sp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit ["Leaving"]
[12:27] <azeem>                    wants to remove winesetuptk...
[12:27] <someuser> cool, i'm on a rol tuday L)
[12:27] <Kovecses> Nameless12, new to linux?
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: at home or in the office?
[12:27] <NiCKeL> home box
[12:27] <someuser> that was "Hebrew"
[12:27] <NiCKeL> it was working until i rebooted so i dunno wats wrong
[12:27] <jjazz> Diskgrind:  Did you look up your printer on linuxprinting.org?
[12:27] <Sonny_Wertzik> brb...my g-friend calling me
[12:27] <Nameless12> Kovecses, nameless1@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ fglrxcontrol
[12:27] <Nameless12> bash: fglrxcontrol: command not found
[12:28] <RMeist> wow
[12:28] <Diskgrind> I will try that right now.. ty
[12:28] <Diskgrind> I am very new to this. and want to learn
[12:28] <Nameless12> Kovecses,  i just double checked, fglrx-control IS installed
[12:28] <Kovecses> Nameless12, sudo updatedb.............then locate fglrxconfig
[12:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: Is it color?
[12:28] <jjazz> Diskgrind:  Well, linuxprinting.org is the place to start.  And the CUPS documentation.
[12:28] <Kovecses> Nameless12, oh then type   fglrx-control
[12:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: do other pc's on the net work?
[12:28] <P229> is there an easy way to change the sound scheme?
[12:28] <Kovecses> Nameless12, thats the name of it
[12:28] <NiCKeL> yeah
[12:29] <NiCKeL> this one
[12:29] <NiCKeL> right next to it running windows
[12:29] <Nameless12> Kovecses, still not working
[12:29] <Diskgrind> yes
[12:29] <Diskgrind> ty
[12:29] <someuser> do you know of a way to change keboard layout with a shortcut?
[12:29] <Kovecses> Nameless12, sudo updatedb   then locate fglrx-control
[12:29] <someuser> like in win alt+shift or ctrl+shift?
[12:30] <eyez_> what Linux driver must i choise when want to download new driver for my Gforce card?
[12:30] <eyez_> there like 4-5 i can choice from
[12:30] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok im back
[12:30] <boxerboy> wb sonny
[12:30] <NiCKeL> the ip ifconfig shows it <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:30] <Sonny_Wertzik> ty
[12:30] <boxerboy> yw
[12:30] <NiCKeL> its sposed to be a 192.168.*.*
[12:30] <someuser> sonny
[12:30] <marcellus> Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
[12:30] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: Go to the menu and click on System>Administration>Printing
[12:30] <someuser> do you know of a way to change keboard layout with a shortcut?
[12:30] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya?
[12:31] <Nameless12> Kovecses, i got no exe equivilent for it, there is a fglrx-control, but its in a /usr/share/doc dir (and it wont run)
[12:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: Sorry, trying to help 2 a t a time... Is it DHCP?
[12:31] <marcellus> ..although it doesn't work for me at the moment (or for the last month or so)
[12:31] <Kovecses> Nameless12, then you dont have the package
[12:31] <Sonny_Wertzik> umm i thought that little icon does it....right click on it an choose propeties
[12:31] <stian> configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev..... what can i do?
[12:31] <Kovecses> Nameless12, and linux has no exe files
[12:32] <someuser> i'm there
[12:32] <Nameless12> Kovecses, i know that thats why i said equivilent
[12:32] <Sonny_Wertzik> see if you can find some way of doing it
[12:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind:Click on New Printer
[12:32] <Kovecses> Nameless12, ahh yes
[12:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: is it USB?
[12:32] <Kovecses> Nameless12, its not installed
[12:32] <Kovecses> Nameless12, it cant be
[12:32] <ompaul> someuser, there is an applet called keyboard indicator pop that on your panel
[12:32] <Demian___> any else have problems with the firefox update?
[12:32] <someuser> layout options?
[12:32] <Diskgrind> I missed the one before that ,, I signed out accedentally
[12:32] <marcellus> someuser: Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"     in your X config
[12:32] <Diskgrind> yes
[12:32] <Demian___> and ofcourse
[12:32] <Demian___> good morning
[12:32] <Nameless12> Kovecses, its ticked in synaptic, it could be a bug. im using 5.10 preview
[12:32] <Kovecses> Nameless12, could be a bug
[12:32] <Kovecses> Nameless12, why not just use hoary?
[12:32] <Jan_> hihi all
[12:32] <Sonny_Wertzik> system-preferences0keyboard
[12:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: That's the loopback, ignore that... No eth0 ??
[12:32] <Jan_> They cared about the bug I put in!
[12:33] <Jan_> Someone replied to it :)
[12:33] <Kovecses> Nameless12, or better yet debian
[12:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> system-preferences-keyboard
[12:33] <Jan_> It is now "assigned", whatever that means.
[12:33] <someuser> i do not have soch a panel there
[12:33] <someuser> sach*
[12:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> u must
[12:33] <Diskgrind> flyingsquirrel can we chat?
[12:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: It makes it easier for me to see your responses if you put my name in it. Thanks
[12:33] <Nameless12> Kovecses, becuase i wanted to get dual monitors working and i figured this would have "new" drivers and the hoary does not autoload my harddrive controler  hardrives on boot, altho i can still mount them after boot on 5.04
[12:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: Go to the menu and click on System>Administration>Printing
[12:33] <someuser> but i do have, "use keboard LED to show alternative group.
[12:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind:Click on New Printer
[12:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: is it USB?
[12:34] <Diskgrind> yes
[12:34] <Kovecses> Nameless12, umm..... n00b
[12:34] <someuser> i tray to assgin it to capslock & other, but it dossent change layout
[12:34] <Diskgrind> Im sorry I missed the printer Icon the first look around...
[12:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> main menu panel     system-preferences-keyboard
[12:34] <NiCKeL> okay when i do: ifconfig eth0 up i get SIOCCSFLAGS: permission denied -- if i do it as root it should work right? and whats the default root pass w/ ubuntu
[12:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> Where it says Printer Port: select USB Printer #1
[12:35] <Nameless12> Kovecses, yes, i am a noob to xorg.conf files, big deal
[12:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> what version of ubuntu are u using? hoary?
[12:35] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: Make sure Local Printer is selected above
[12:35] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: and next
[12:35] <Kovecses> Nameless12, being a noob isnt a bad thing at all...... but your going about things all wrong
[12:35] <someuser> me?
[12:35] <dooglus> is there a program which can pop up a notice when I receive new gmail?
[12:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, ya u
[12:35] <Diskgrind> FlyingSquirrel32  I have it .. and it works now..  wow   great!!!!!!
[12:35] <Bad_Magic> !apache2
[12:35] <ubotu> Bad_Magic: Are you smoking crack?
[12:35] <dooglus> ie. google email notifications
[12:35] <Bad_Magic> yes
[12:35] <Bad_Magic> !apache
[12:35] <ubotu> well, apache is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP or, for Ubuntu server information, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[12:35] <someuser> i think 5.10
[12:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> oh heh breezy
[12:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: The password is the same as the password that you created for your user
[12:36] <Diskgrind> I over looked some things.. I will be more carefull.
[12:36] <scottt> hi. im able to heard sound when gdm loads, but System->prefs->sound shows no cards in the list, and sound doesnt work once im in the desktop. im using breezy. is there a fix?
[12:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: Great!!
[12:36] <someuser> whats breezy?:}
[12:36] <Kovecses> Nameless12, what harddrive controller do you have?
[12:36] <NiCKeL> wats the default ubuntu root pass?
[12:36] <Nameless12> Kovecses, actually from what i have READ the kernel that comes with this version actually has support for "newer" hardware. Not to mention that the thing about my harddrives is true.....
[12:36] <Diskgrind> does that rock or what.... it was already ready to go  I just had to apply driver
[12:36] <scottt> i have been through nearly every help guide i can find on this topic
[12:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> its the new version of ubuntu
[12:36] <lucky> hey guys.  I'm trying to install Ubuntu to a SAta drive and i get a weird error where the Partitioner window just shows ???? ????
[12:36] <dooglus> someuser: breezy is the next version of ubuntu, due out in october.
[12:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: Try sudo ifconfig
[12:36] <ompaul> !tell NiCKeL about root
[12:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: Te same as for the user you created
[12:36] <Nameless12> Kovecses,  i tried to get help here for the harddrive controler thing and the guys gave up
[12:37] <someuser> 5.10 is breezy ?
[12:37] <dooglus> does anyone have a gmail notifier working in ubuntu?
[12:37] <Kovecses> Nameless12, you can use the same kernel in hoary
[12:37] <dooglus> someuser: yes.
[12:37] <Nameless12> Kovecses,  it loaded the drivers for the controler AFTER it had tried to load the harddrives
[12:37] <someuser> oh, ok :)
[12:37] <Bruninha> oi
[12:37] <dooglus> "breezy badger" to give it its full name
[12:37] <Sonny_Wertzik> look in one of the main menus for KEYBOARD  i found it and it look like u can set hotkeys
[12:37] <Demian___> I've got some issues with my firefox update
[12:37] <Diskgrind> FlyingSquirrel32.   how do I make your name come out red for you???
[12:37] <Demian___> I get an error
[12:37] <Diskgrind> do I type it first.. or what..
[12:37] <Demian___> and can't start firefox again
[12:38] <SpaceBass> hey folks... trying 5.4 for the first time... impressed but having problems with apt-get
[12:38] <scottt> !ff fix
[12:38] <someuser> i'm there
[12:38] <ubotu> ff fix is, like, sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends firefox firefox-gnome-support ; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[12:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind just by including it in the line like you did above. Are you using xchat?
[12:38] <SpaceBass> it tells me samba is the latest but I dont have winbind install
[12:38] <scottt> Demian___: also, killall firefox-bin
[12:38] <someuser> it's the same es before
[12:38] <Diskgrind> yes
[12:38] <Diskgrind> Im new to this .
[12:38] <SpaceBass> and cannot find krb5-usr...
[12:38] <Demian___> thnx
[12:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> hmm i dont know then but 1 sec
[12:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: This is with your name....
[12:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> And this is without.
[12:38] <Nameless12> Kovecses, seeing as you know so much about this, seeing as im such a noob then how about you just edit my xorg.conf and put it on "paste bin", it would be quicker than you telling me what type
[12:38] <someuser> do you want me to send you  a screen capture of it?
[12:39] <Diskgrind> is it case sensitive?
[12:39] <SpaceBass> does all that mean I need to add debian or other repisitories?
[12:39] <P229> is there a way to change the sound scheme without individually changing each event?
[12:39] <Diskgrind> flyingsquirrel32  is it case sensitive..
[12:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> diskgrind: don't know how's this?
[12:39] <P229> installable sound themes, maybe?
[12:39] <Diskgrind> it is not...
[12:39] <Kovecses> Nameless12, i have no idea how your hardware is set up....But i do know that you only have one display device set up
[12:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: no.
[12:39] <Diskgrind> cool  thanks for the teaching...
[12:39] <bimberi> SpaceBass: there's a krb5-user package in ubuntu's "universe" repository
[12:40] <bimberi> ubotu tell spacebass about repositories
[12:40] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, look at this link it probably in there     http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:40] <lucky> so, should i look elsewhere?
[12:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> NiCKeL: I lost you... I've gotta go now...
[12:40] <lucky> :/
[12:40] <Kovecses> Nameless12, why does it seem like your pissed at me? im only trying to help
[12:40] <SpaceBass> bimberi, I'm used to an rpm based distro so new to apg-get in general... thanks for the tips
[12:40] <Diskgrind> flyingsquirrel32   I appreciate your help!!!1
[12:40] <someuser> ok, i will 10x
[12:40] <henk> is there a docker applet for gnome ? or do i just use kdocker?
[12:40] <Sonny_Wertzik> sure
[12:40] <bimberi> SpaceBass: np :) - did ubotu /msg you? - i think i stuffed that up
[12:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> Diskgrind: I was in your shoes a few months back ;)
[12:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> Bye all...
[12:41] <SpaceBass> bimberi,  yeah, got a msg... reading the howto now
[12:41] <bimberi> SpaceBass: k :)
[12:41] <Nameless12> Kovecses, i dont get pissed at you, treating you like a moron, yes. Calling people noobs for not setting up a xorg.conf file....... its not the kinda thing anyone gets on their 1st time. And if you meant noob for installing the preview release, i had good reason and yeah
[12:41] <nxv_> FlyingSquirrel32: i am not user if i get the same link as u from google first? would u mind giving me the direct link
[12:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> i forgot why i came in here in the first place hehehehe
[12:41] <Nameless12> Kovecses, anyway. it doesnt matter, off to edit my xorg
[12:41] <marcellus> Nameless12: have you tried googling for something like "xorg dual head" maybe adding your card too
[12:42] <Kovecses> Nameless12, fuck off
[12:42] <SpaceBass> bimberi, can I add standard debian repisitories or only ubuntu ones?
[12:42] <scottt> Nameless12: are you using xinerama?
[12:42] <bimberi> SpaceBass: only ubuntu ones
[12:42] <Nameless12> Kovecses, "you asked for it" and i was trying to be nice about it, dont resort to swearing you moron
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: read the Code of COnduct please
[12:42] <SpaceBass> gotcha... thanks...
[12:43] <SpaceBass> 2nd question: anyone using winbind with ubuntu?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Nameless12: , Kovecses chill please
[12:43] <Nameless12> scottt, yeah i am check my config http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2567 but i think koves is right about why its not working (that being its only got 1 device)
[12:43] <Kovecses> Nameless12, this is what i get for trying to help! and only if you LISTENED
[12:43] <Digo_RP> guys
[12:43] <Digo_RP> lo all
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: last warning
[12:43] <Kovecses> Nameless12, why come in here for help if you refuse to take advice
[12:43] <Nameless12> Kovecses,  i never refused to take advice, altho you slowed me down as i was constantly replying to you
[12:44] <cafuego_> Digo_RP: bom dia
[12:44] <Digo_RP> please, how do I put my ubuntu to start in text mode multiuser ???
[12:44] <Digo_RP> and not gui?
[12:44] <Digo_RP> on other dist. we change the inittab to 3
[12:44] <cafuego_> Digo_RP: You cna disable gdm. The easiest way is by installing and running 'rcconf'.
[12:44] <scottt> Nameless12: is that a multi head card?
[12:44] <Kovecses> Nameless12, try using a real distro not some girly ubuntu
[12:44] <chavo> Digo_RP, change it to 5
[12:45] <Digo_RP> chage it to 5 ?
[12:45] <Digo_RP> hum...
[12:45] <SpaceBass> bimberi, thanks... that page from ubotu had exactly what I needed... first time using synaptic too... very nice
[12:45] <Nameless12> scottt, yes it is
[12:45] <someuser> OK, got it ! :) it's Ctrl+Alt+alt *-)
[12:45] <bimberi> SpaceBass: you won't look back :)
[12:45] <Digo_RP> the default on my ubuntu is -> id:2:initdefault:
[12:45] <cafuego_> Digo_RP: No, don't change it to 5. Run rcconf, disable gdm.
[12:45] <cafuego_> Digo_RP: Coz gdm will still start in runlevel 5.
[12:45] <someuser> sonny you here
[12:46] <Nameless12> scottt, i think i know the proble, i need to make 2 devices with different identifiers i think
[12:46] <chavo> doesn't start for me in runlevel 5
[12:46] <scottt> Nameless12: thats what i was going to say =)
[12:46] <SpaceBass> bimberi,  well that remains to be seen... thinking of becoming a covert from windows xp.... tried REHL and Fedore off and on... not on to ubuntu and liking it so far
[12:46] <bimberi> Digo_RP: or the kludge-y way is "sudo rm /etc/rc*.d/S*gdm"
[12:46] <Nameless12> scottt, the identifier can be anything right?
[12:46] <Digo_RP> then I can run startx ?
[12:46] <cafuego_> Digo_RP: yes.
[12:46] <ksmurf> well my wifi is back.....lol.  Breezy loses the internal card and finds it 3 reboots l8r...... Any way am I missing updates or are there just no as many going towards the full release?
[12:47] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, ok kool
[12:47] <Sonny_Wertzik> i was havin a smoke
[12:47] <bimberi> cafuego_: i felt i was augmenting :)
[12:47] <someuser> one more *-) or i'm pushing my lock? :)
[12:47] <scottt> Nameless12: yes. make one for busid PCI:1:0:0 and antoher for PCI:1:0:1 iirc
[12:47] <eyez_> I need to install an easy c compiler. what is a good choice for new user?
[12:47] <cafuego_> eyez_: There is only gcc.
[12:47] <arkanes> I'm having some trouble burning CDs, I get an error telling me to put a blank CD in the drive even though theres one in there, any ideas?
[12:47] <someuser> hmm.. me to
[12:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> someuser, shoot
[12:48] <hajiki> is there something special i need to do to get kde apps to play sound when using gnome?
[12:48] <bimberi> SpaceBass: good to hear, lots of learning (and maybe even fun) to be had
[12:48] <thoreauputic> eyez_: install build-essential
[12:48] <someuser> ok, how can i save my current session settings for next boot?
[12:48] <cafuego_> hajiki: Run the kde control center and set the sound service to 'esd'.
[12:48] <Nameless12> scottt, can you check it for me http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2568
[12:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> when u log out it asks you with a check box at the top
[12:48] <hajiki> cafuego, thanks
[12:49] <SpaceBass> anyone using Active directory for authentication? or kerberos?
[12:49] <someuser> on other live-cd's ther is en option that saves a small file, end then load's it aoutomaticly
[12:49] <scottt> Nameless12: looks good
[12:49] <Bad_Magic> can anyone tell me how to change the default folder for apache2 to server to say ~/www instead of /var/www?
[12:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> i dont know if it will work with a live cd
[12:49] <someuser> yah, will it save bookmarks & all ?
[12:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> dony know
[12:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> dont know
[12:49] <scottt> anyone know why i would hear sounds when gdm loads, but not when the desktop shows? volume controls says no cards could be found...
[12:49] <Nameless12> scottt,  time to test :S this seems too good to be true, i bet it wont work lol. Thanx for the help
[12:49] <jjazz> Nameless12:  can your Radeon card to merged framebuffers?
[12:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> just load it for real hehehehehehe
[12:49] <someuser> on other live-cd thre was  en save settings script
[12:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> its good
[12:50] <jjazz> Nameless12:  s/to/do/
[12:50] <refdoc100> Hi, any idea how to get MOL 0.9.71 going on ubuntu breezy?
[12:50] <Jrwa> hi there
[12:50] <Bad_Magic> !apache
[12:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apache is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP or, for Ubuntu server information, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[12:50] <Nameless12> jjazz, i dont know what the frame buffer thing u are  refering to is
[12:50] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: If you want it to be ~www for all users, load and config mod_userdir
[12:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> i never really messed with the live cd at all sorry
[12:50] <Nameless12> jjazz, and whats the s/to/do/ ?
[12:50] <Digo_RP> bye guys tnx a lot
[12:50] <Digo_RP> cya
[12:50] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: If it's to be for just the one site, edit DocumentRoot in the default sites-available config.
[12:50] <someuser> ok, no problem i'll tray et the website.
[12:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> kool
[12:51] <Jrwa> I'm getting "fatal IO error 104" on my X. Is that a breezy issue, or should I worry about my config?
[12:51] <jjazz> Nameless12:  Each screen gets a framebuffer.  There's two ways to use both screens.  One is to have two screen definitions.  The other is to merge the two screens into one frame buffer and treat them as one big screen.
[12:51] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: The userdir means stuff like http://locahost/~user/ will work and point at ~/www
[12:51] <jjazz> Nameless12:  The advantage to that is easier setup (and some say speed).  The disadvantage is that both screens must operate at the same resolution.
[12:52] <cafuego_> the framebuffer is also much slower then non-fb X.
[12:52] <jjazz> Nameless12:  I have a Radeon card that has a merged framebuffer option.  I don't know if your model has it.  You might want to Google MergedFB with your radeon card's model.
[12:52] <Nameless12> jjazz, i got that working on fedora AGES AND AGES AGO on my old computer with a 9700pro, (diff vid card). i didnt like it tho, it was really annoying i like it how it is in windows
[12:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> gtg....take care all !
[12:53] <jjazz> cafuego:  I've been told merged fbs are faster, but I don't know which is the case.
[12:53] <Nameless12> jjazz, i hated it how it didnt "snap" to the window
[12:53] <someuser> you too sonny
[12:53] <cafuego_> jjazz: Hmm, I've not used that. The difference between normal X and Xfb is quite dramatic though.
[12:54] <jjazz> cafuego:  Good to know.  Thanks.
[12:54] <cafuego_> jjazz: Mind you, that may be only the case for certain video cards. (MIne was  amatrox at the time).
[12:54] <jjazz> Nameless12:  I'm using Ubuntu with merged fb's and it does some snapping to each individual screen, but I don't know exactly what you're looking for.
[12:54] <brownie17> so.... will there be a newer version of gnome in breezy badger?
[12:54] <jjazz> cafuego:  Yeah, I imagine a lot of these issues are hardware-specific.
[12:54] <cafuego_> brownie17: 2.12, yes.
[12:55] <someuser> i'll tray save settings on the live CD, bye all
[12:55] <refdoc100> Hi, any idea how to get MOL 0.9.71 going on ubuntu breezy?
[12:55] <ompaul> cafuego_, where be the logs of the channel
[12:55] <cafuego_> refdoc100: What OSX version you want to run in it?
[12:55] <Nameless12> jjazz, im looking for how it is in windows, i want to be able to fullscreen movies and such and have them snap to JUST THAT MONITOR.  If it works how you are describing that sounds good
[12:55] <cafuego_> ompaul: Umm... www.ubuntu.de or something
[12:55] <cafuego_> !logs
[12:55] <ubotu> Channel Logs are at: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[12:55] <cafuego_> Well, OR that :-
[12:55] <refdoc100> cafuego : 10.3
[12:55] <ompaul> cafuego, :) thanks
[12:56] <cafuego_> refdoc100: Ok, that should be fine. There's a MOL HOWTO page on wiki.ubuntu.com - it's straightforward.
[12:56] <CarmenSandiego> Hello Seveas and cafuego!!! :)
[12:56] <CarmenSandiego> Is it a good idea to install Firefox instead of using Konqueror?
[12:56] <cafuego_> Coz it ain't working with Tiger :-(
[12:56] <cafuego_> CarmenSandiego: if you prefer firefox, sure.
[12:56] <jjazz> Nameless12:  It's been a while since I used Windows, but I can tell you that when I hit the 'Maximize Window' button on this Ubuntu/Gnome box, it maximizes to just this screen.
[12:56] <refdoc100> cafuego - thanks, but the HOWTO is for 9.70. 71 is required to get the airport extreme card working...
[12:56] <Jrwa> so I've just upgraded my laptop, and I'm getting "fatal IO error 104" on my X. Is that a breezy issue, or should I worry about my config?
[12:57] <marcellus> Nameless12: I don't know if this works for ATI, but it might give you an idea. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors  Especially the non-TwinView config.
[12:57] <eyez_> well, get gcc installed will take some time. I am a new user. and it needs to be configured first, then buildet.. and then installed? are there a simple  version of it?
[12:57] <Bad_Magic> whats the chmod command to do rwxr--r-- ?
[12:57] <cafuego_> refdoc100: I didn't think airport would work *at all*
[12:57] <Bad_Magic> chmod 911 file?
[12:58] <bimberi> Bad_Magic: chmod 744
[12:58] <cafuego_> eyez_: You should not be compiling and building packages from source on Ubuntu. Especially not gcc.
[12:58] <Bad_Magic> thanks
[12:58] <Bad_Magic> hex makes my brain hurt today
[12:58] <jjazz> eyez_:  do 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' at the commandline
[12:58] <bimberi> Bad_Magic: yw and lol :)
[12:58] <cafuego_> eyez_: Run 'synaptic', search for 'gcc' and install a version.
[12:58] <scottt> why would cards shpwing up in aplay -l, not show up in gnome volume control? isnt the volume control supposed to use alsa if its slected in multimedia systems selector?
[12:59] <Nameless12> marcellus, jjazz, im off to reboot. ill be back if it doesnt work, thanx for the help. l8tr
[12:59] <jjazz> Wait.    It's such an odd tick.
[01:00] <cafuego_> eyez_: By compiling and installing non-packaged software, you WILL destroy the package system and create problems down the line.
[01:00] <stian> how do i get the tcl/tk package?
[01:00] <abarbaccia> hey all - i'm in breezy - and i sintalled build-essential but i'm getting this error: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc-3.4: command not found
[01:00] <abarbaccia> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 12: gcc-3.4: command not found
[01:00] <abarbaccia>   HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep
[01:00] <abarbaccia> /bin/sh: gcc-3.4: command not found
[01:00] <abarbaccia> sorry about the multi liner
[01:00] <cafuego_> hey ho, new beagle :-)
[01:00] <eyez_> cafuego, ok, thank you for the warning
[01:00] <refdoc100> cafuego - yes there ius very interesting solution for AE on the Gentoo pages, but it requirees 0.9.71...
[01:00] <cafuego_> abarbaccia: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[01:01] <joetheodd> Hey, how do I set my resolution above the maximum in the GNOME resolution tool..thing?
[01:01] <abarbaccia> cafuego, got it, but shouldnt that be included in build-essential
[01:01] <cafuego_> abarbaccia: No, build-essential is for userpsace compilation, and that's done with gcc 4 on breezy.
[01:01] <holycow> joetheodd, yes, but you need to also add the proper vertical and horizontal refresh rates for the model of your monitor in your /etc/x11/xorg.conf file
[01:01] <joetheodd> oh poop holycow
[01:02] <brownie17> MadpilotPPC, someone should teach ubotu to mention ALSO when asked about ESD
[01:02] <brownie17> MadpilotPPC, ALSA*
[01:02] <cafuego_> refdoc100: Hmm. Best bet is to create yourself a mol apckage with the source deb from Ubuntu and the 0.9.71 tarball. use the debian/ build scripts in the Ubuntu source to build an updated tarball
[01:02] <scottt> brownie17: then teach him =)
[01:03] <brownie17> scottt, apathy is my greatest bottleneck for action. alright. ill do it
[01:03] <refdoc100> Cafuego - thanks Never done this but will try. I will come back if failing..
[01:03] <eyez_> damn its takes time to get used to this sytem. what about Antivirus, what is the good one for Ubuntu?
[01:03] <scottt> eyez_: clamav, but you probably dont need it
[01:04] <cafuego_> refdoc100: it's normally fairly easy; just be sure you update the version number in debian/changelog
[01:04] <cafuego_> eyez_: You don't need antivirus unless you for instance handle mail for WIndows machines.
[01:05] <eyez_> ok
[01:05] <nootrope> howdy. so, i've managed to boot up using the live disk and it has found my wireless access point, but it won't connect to the internet.
[01:05] <nootrope> do i need to add anything to the route table?
[01:05] <scottt> were you dhcped an address?
[01:06] <nootrope> how can i check. an ifconfig only shows the router IP, i think
[01:06] <brownie17> scottt, bugger, what was the command to teach him something new?
[01:06] <cafuego_> ifconfig will ONLY show YOUR ip.
[01:06] <cafuego_> !brownie17 is forgetful
[01:06] <ubotu> cafuego_: okay
[01:07] <RMeist> !st
[01:07] <ubotu> RMeist: Are you smoking crack?
[01:07] <brownie17> hahahaha
[01:07] <scottt> nootrope: ifconfig should show the ip you were given if it worked. otherwise dhclient -k eth0;dhclient eth0
[01:07] <cafuego_> !forget brownie17
[01:07] <ubotu> i forgot brownie17, cafuego_
[01:07] <brownie17> !esd is, like, Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously. To use ALSA as an alternative see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:07] <ubotu> brownie17: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[01:07] <brownie17> cafuego, why did it do that?
[01:07] <RMeist> !todo
[01:07] <ubotu> RMeist: I give up, what is it?
[01:07] <RMeist> !help
[01:07] <Kovecses> hmm
[01:07] <nootrope> scottt: ifconfig -a shows eth1 with an IP belonging to my airport. i'll try the other  command. thanks
[01:08] <cafuego_> brownie17: maybe it doesn't like your ", like, " (it inserts those itself).
[01:08] <brownie17> cafuego, why isn't it working? it is saying it doesn't know what i am talking about
[01:08] <scottt> nootrope: uh. ok
[01:08] <brownie17> cafuego, ok
[01:08] <brownie17> !esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously. To use ALSA as an alternative see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:08] <ubotu> okay, brownie17
[01:08] <cafuego_> !esd is the Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously. To use ALSA as an alternative see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:08] <ubotu> ...but esd is already something else...
[01:08] <cafuego_> d'oh :-)
[01:08] <nootrope> scottt: uh? you saying that because i'm missing something.
[01:09] <brownie17> cafuego, haha sorry
[01:09] <brownie17> cafuego, does it sound accurate to you?
[01:09] <eyez_> how is the game support for Linux. or this is just not a game system?
[01:10] <Bruninha> oi
[01:10] <jjazz> eyez_:  It's not a game system, but with Cedega, you can run Win games
[01:10] <brownie17> eyez_, pretty good. there are alternatives for most windows games, some that run on linux, and emulators that will run some
[01:10] <jjazz> eyez_:  Frankly, most people who are into cutting-edge games, keep a Windows partition.
[01:11] <brownie17> eyez_, but if you are a serious gamer, and nothing else, then i doubt you would think linux a suitable alternative. maybe you should use both?
[01:11] <eyez_> jjazz, ok. well i am only thinking of WoW
[01:11] <chris__> #ubuntu-love
[01:11] <jjazz> eyez_:  I'm a gamer, so I couldn't tell you anything about Wow.
[01:11] <rob^> heh
[01:12] <Bruninha> hi
[01:12] <funkyHat> is there any sort of timescale for composite and other smart rendered things to be completed?
[01:12] <eyez_> Well i got both right now. but were just thinking if its posible to play some of the popular games in linux. but looks like i just need to try some and find out
[01:13] <maurycy> any ideas how to configure wireless pcmcia card on ubuntu? i've installed wireless and ndiswrapper-utils packages and have installed my driver. although lspci and iwconfig lists my interface, i can't set up my network connection. also, lights on the card are turned off.
[01:13] <cevizoglu> eyez_: Doom3
[01:13] <SpaceBass> any reason why ping times on my LAN from ubuntu would be miserable while the same box running XP is fine?
[01:13] <brownie17> eyez_, doom3 works, unreal 05... cna think of any others but there are heaps
[01:13] <maurycy> it's dlink dwl-650+, airplus g+
[01:13] <cafuego_> funkyHat: inevitable heat death of the universe?
[01:13] <eyez_> ok, thanks for the help
[01:13] <tristanmike> eyez_, Americas Army is free
[01:13] <hajiki> maurycy, did you load the ndiswrapper kernel module?
[01:13] <funkyHat> hahaha
[01:13] <brownie17> !esd
[01:13] <tristanmike> eyez_, same with Enemy Territory
[01:14] <cafuego_> maurycy: *maybe* with ndiswrapper or acx_100, but most likely your best bet is to buy a card that's better supported.
[01:14] <brownie17> cafuego, what is to stop losers tell ubotu to say rude things when asked questions?
[01:14] <rob^> if your wondering what windows games you can play with wine/cedega emulation on Linux, see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[01:14] <nootrope> scottt: seems that eth1 is showing the IP DHCPed by my wireless router
[01:15] <rob^> there is also #cedega-wiki
[01:15] <maurycy> hajiki: strange, i've added modprobe ndiswrapper to /etc/netwok/interfaces, but i was not loaded. just loaded. still doesn't work.
[01:15] <nootrope> scottt: but i still can't ping anything
[01:15] <scottt> nootrope: good, then you should be on the internet if your router is working properly
[01:15] <nootrope> ok
[01:15] <scottt> nootrope: not even the router that gave you an ip?
[01:15] <cafuego_> brownie17: nothing.
[01:15] <cafuego_> brownie17: Then again, there is nothing to stop ops banning them for doing that and removing what they added.
[01:15] <hajiki> maurycy, you would add 'ndiswrapper' to /etc/modules not /etc/network/interfaces
[01:16] <rob^> apparetly WOW works
[01:16] <nootrope> scottt: i'll try the router.
[01:16] <cafuego_> brownie17: And this the anarchy kinda works...
[01:16] <maurycy> cafuego_: i have also dlink 610. :) but i think that this card works ok, i just can't set up.
[01:16] <cafuego_> thus
[01:16] <hajiki> maurycy, after thats done you would use "ndiswrapper -i /path/to/windows/criver" to install the driver
[01:16] <cafuego_> maurycy: the 650+ is *satan*. I have one with identical chipset, which will not work under Linux, no matter what.
[01:16] <maurycy> hajiki: did it aleady. ndiswrapper -l returns my gplus
[01:16] <hajiki> maurycy, after that you should be able to use the gnome network config tool to set it up
[01:17] <nootrope> scottt: router iis ponging back
[01:17] <rob^> !cedega
[01:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[01:17] <nootrope> scottt: but i can't ping, say, yahoo.com
[01:17] <maurycy> hajiki: after that lights on the card are still turned off. :)
[01:17] <brownie17> cafuego, haha good. so i won't get in trouble for adding that ALSA thing to ESD?
[01:17] <nootrope> scottt: DNS problem?
[01:17] <scottt> nootrope: then you have a problem with the router... or bad dns resolvers
[01:17] <rob^> ubotu no cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[01:17] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[01:17] <scottt> nootrope: this is not really an #ubuntu issue and its been covered<PHONE_NUMBER>023406734 times on google. look there
[01:18] <hajiki> marcellus, so you just loaded the module with no errors? do you see anything in var/log/messages
[01:18] <nootrope> scottt: i'm IRCing through the same router from a OS X computer
[01:18] <maurycy> cafuego_: any experiences with 210? i have only these two cards.
[01:18] <scottt> nootrope: google how to debug network issues linux
[01:19] <nootrope> scottt: i don't know if it's ubuntu or not. i figure it's just clulessness on my part about linux in general. thanks for the pointer. i'll take it from here. i appreciate your help.
[01:19] <maurycy> hajiki: any hints? and what do you mean as gnome config tool? gnome-nettool?
[01:19] <hajiki> maurycy, yeah thats what i meant
[01:19] <hajiki> maurycy, check your logs in /var/log for errors, /var/log/messages maybe
[01:20] <zcat> Hey, so I fired up an Ubuntu5.10 livecd the other day. Anybody know why it would detect my software RAID1 and 5 devices just fine, but not RAID0?
[01:20] <maurycy> hajiki: a lot of: Sep 27 01:19:55 localhost kernel: [4298001.330000]  printk: 19 messages suppressed.
[01:20] <maurycy> hajiki: wait, i'll paste rest of
[01:20] <someuser> hi all
[01:20] <hajiki> marcellus, er... i meant anything relevant regarding your driver problem with ndiswrapper
[01:20] <hajiki> marcellus, sorry wrong person
[01:20] <someuser> can somone plz help with tex editing?
[01:21] <maurycy> yeah, i understna
[01:21] <maurycy> understand :)
[01:21] <someuser> can somone help with tex editing premissions?
[01:21] <someuser> plz
[01:21] <hajiki> maurycy pm me
[01:21] <brownie17> someuser, what is the problem?
[01:22] <someuser> hi, i'm traing to edit the xorg.cfg, but with text editor i have Read premmisions only
[01:22] <someuser> somone have shown me a way with sudo command but i dont remember it
[01:23] <zcat> someuser, heh. text, not TEX
[01:23] <funkyHat> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:23] <someuser> woops :) sry
[01:23] <brownie17> someuser, if you are sure you know what you are doing in there (it's quite dangerous) and you've made a backup, use the "sudo" command before the command in terminal
[01:23] <zcat> someuser, and when you really know what you're doing: "sudo su -"
[01:23] <maurycy> hajiki: http://pastebin.com/375191
[01:23] <maurycy> hajiki: dunno if it's enough
[01:23] <brownie17> zcat, maybe that's a little ahead of him
[01:23] <scottt> zcat: sudo -s is probably better than sudo su -
[01:23] <zcat> ah well, back to fedora. [k] ubuntu's still my 2nd fav distro. :)
[01:24] <maurycy> hajiki: that's all i have in /var/log/messages seeming related to wireless stuff
[01:24] <funkyHat> zcat, c really know what i'm doing, i still use sudo
[01:24] <someuser> all i want it to edit the Screen refreshrates
[01:24] <funkyHat> *i
[01:24] <joetheodd> zcat, whats the su and s arguments do?
[01:24] <donald> anyone know how to start mozilla firefox
[01:24] <cevizoglu> joetheodd: su is switch user
[01:24] <someuser> i did it before , but do not remember how to open xorg.conf with write premmitions
[01:24] <funkyHat> click the icon for it
[01:24] <funkyHat> ;)
[01:24] <donald> it doesent seem to be listed under the internet file
[01:24] <brownie17> someuser, i think there may be away to do that without editing the xorg.conf directly. have you tried all tools in the menus?
[01:25] <someuser> i did but got only Read Premmisions
[01:25] <someuser> yes
[01:25] <brownie17> someuser, there is  way from the menus
[01:25] <joetheodd> Oh, I have my box set up so I can use su instead of sudo su.
[01:25] <brownie17> someuser, go system -> prefs -> screen res
[01:25] <joetheodd> What I did is sudo passwd root
[01:25] <donald> funkyhat there is no icon for it
[01:25] <joetheodd> =p
[01:25] <funkyHat> donald, alt+F2 and then firefox should work
[01:26] <someuser> look, in the menu there is only en 60Hz option, i did fix it with the help of sonny & it workd fine
[01:26] <joetheodd> Not very secure at all, but hey
[01:26] <mduran> hi
[01:26] <funkyHat> or create a launcher that points to firefox
[01:26] <scottt> joetheodd: haha. way to circumvent the security measures ubuntu ships with ;)
[01:26] <someuser> i just don't remember how to open the file with write provliges
[01:26] <mduran> i need show mouse on screen
[01:26] <someuser> it was sudo xorg.conf somthing....
[01:27] <donald> funkyhat got a message
[01:27] <donald> Details: There is no default action associated with this location.
[01:27] <funkyHat> scottt, it's not so much a security feature as an idiot-proof feature :)
[01:27] <henk> how do i configure my logitech keyboard's special keys ? like 'email' 'next' 'play' etc
[01:27] <joetheodd> scottt: It was more annoying than helpful, to tell the truth, but I have a windows box as a DMZ, so I'm clearly not paranoid about security (no offense indended to anyone here)
[01:27] <brownie17> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:27] <maurycy> hajiki: http://pastebin.com/375195
[01:27] <brownie17> someuser, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB>  henk system-> preferences->keyboard shortcuts
[01:27] <war-totem> can someoen tell me if its possible to read hotmail emails from mutt with hotway installed?
[01:27] <joetheodd> funkyHat: haha
[01:27] <someuser> yah tahts the one
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> war-totem: extremely unlikely
[01:27] <brownie17> someuser, but if it isn't available from the tool in gnome menu, then maybe your screen can't display it. maybe. i think
[01:27] <maurycy> hajiki: obviouslly dhcp on the router is configured and works perfectly with windows.
[01:28] <joetheodd> Anyhow, downloading WINE from CVS (thanks whoever gave me that link!), so I'm out
[01:28] <scottt> id really appreciate some help with my sound card if anyone has a moment. it may be a bug, but i dont want to waste anyones time if it isnt. alsamixer shows my card, but gnomes volume control cant, so no sound in my desktop...
[01:28] <war-totem> HrdwrBoB, is there any way to access hotmail from mutt?
[01:28] <ksmurf> hey are there no updates in the last 2 days or am I missing something?
[01:28] <funkyHat> donald, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[01:28] <crimsun> ksmurf: you're missing something.
[01:28] <hajiki> maurycy, wait, so your lights are on or off?
[01:28] <someuser> 10q !!
[01:28] <maurycy> haich: off
[01:28] <ksmurf> crimsun....... doh.  did the repo get changed?
[01:29] <brownie17> ksmurf, there was a kernel update.
[01:29] <crimsun> ksmurf: no, why?
[01:29] <donald> ver 5.0.
[01:29] <donald> sorry 5.0.4
[01:29] <maurycy> haich: no matter what apps are doing, lights are still turned off.
[01:29] <hajiki> does your access point need a WEP key?
[01:29] <jamuraa> I just installed Breezy on a Dell Inspirion 4100 and there seems to be no pcmcia support at all, is this a common problem with a solution?
[01:29] <ksmurf> my sources.list hasn't changed except for adding merriat.... and I have no updates for breezy.
[01:29] <maurycy> hajiki: no.
[01:30] <maurycy> haich: sorry, wrong person :)
[01:30] <FhaeTon> I have a 64bit system and want to know which Ubuntu install would be best
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> FhaeTon: it depends
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> FhaeTon: I run a 32 bit install on my 64bit system because it's easier
[01:30] <ksmurf> jamuraa I don't know about dell but acer works great except for battery level
[01:31] <FhaeTon> im running SLI 7800 gts and want to run raid0
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> SLI isn't supported - yet
[01:31] <brownie17> HrdwrBoB, what differences are there? wouldn't they be basically the same?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> brownie17: yes and no
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> brownie17: things like cedega, flash, etc
[01:31] <FireCat> FhaeTon: I have an AMD64 and the only thing I've gotten to work right so far is Ubuntu Breezy Preview
[01:31] <brownie17> HrdwrBoB, ohhhh
[01:31] <FhaeTon> oh
[01:32] <hajiki> pcmcia works fine for me on breezy
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> FhaeTon: my recommendation would be to use the i386 breezy install
[01:32] <FhaeTon> what supports SLI
[01:32] <afaik> When I try to start a terminal, the scrollbar is white and blank with no arrows and the screen is black and completely blank
[01:32] <afaik> WHY!?
[01:32] <someuser> hi all, enyone knows wht's ubuntu "SU" password is ?
[01:32] <FhaeTon> i386 supports sli
[01:32] <afaik> I CANNAE TYPE!!
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> FhaeTon: neither currently, but when the 8xxx drivers come out (soon) they will
[01:32] <maurycy> hajiki: cafuego_ said that might be dlink 650+ problem. i'll try dlink 610 tomorrow or buy other card.
[01:32] <h08817> someuser: you mean sudo?
[01:32] <cevizoglu> jamuraa: what is the name of the pcmcia hardware in your dell?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> !tell someuser about root
[01:32] <afaik> why did the ubuntu break my shit!?
[01:32] <brownie17> afaik, is it a proper error, or a font and colour error?
[01:32] <hajiki> maurycy, oh ok... good luck
[01:32] <someuser> i mean su (i think) :)
[01:32] <ksmurf> someruser use sudo su
[01:33] <afaik> brownie17, it is unresponsive
[01:33] <afaik> it worked 10 minutes ago
[01:33] <brownie17> try typing a commmand and pressing enter, see if it works even though it doesnt show up. like gedit
[01:33] <maurycy> hajiki: thanks :)
[01:33] <afaik> I start a new one, and it does nothing
[01:33] <brownie17> afaik, what have you done in that time?
[01:33] <FhaeTon> damn
[01:33] <hajiki> np
[01:33] <afaik> it sits there, opens up, and the screen is blank and I cannot type
[01:33] <someuser> ?
[01:33] <FireCat> FhaeTon: I'm using Raid 0 across three sata drives
[01:33] <afaik> beats me... my system is acting up
[01:33] <ReadingGuy> anyone know how to set up a logitech trackman wheel so that the wheel will act as double click as it does in Windows
[01:33] <afaik> I tried to watch a movie in xine, it keeps freezing badly after the 4th frame
[01:34] <afaik> I will ctrl+f1 and kill some processes
[01:34] <brownie17> afaik,restart
[01:34] <afaik> ctrl+alt+f1
[01:34] <afaik> no
[01:34] <someuser> ok, got it thenx, one more...
[01:34] <afaik> I cannot restart
[01:34] <afaik> I have something important happening
[01:34] <brownie17> afaik, ok?
[01:34] <brownie17> afaik, ok
[01:34] <FhaeTon> noice
[01:34] <FhaeTon> how do u have it set up
[01:34] <someuser> how can i save my current settings runing from a Live-CD?
[01:34] <FhaeTon> toh sata
[01:34] <afaik> sides, linux shouldnt need to restart
[01:34] <_eyez> What Linux do i choce when trying to download newest Driver for Gforce?
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> FhaeTon: in the installer
[01:34] <FhaeTon> i don't have sata drives
[01:35] <brownie17> _eyez, what are the option
[01:35] <FhaeTon> I have 2 uata 133 hitachi drives
[01:35] <jamuraa> cevizoglu: hmm never mind, it is just not loading the wireless driver I guess?  the wireless card I have plugged in is showing up on lspci
[01:35] <ksmurf> anyone have an idea why I have no screen when i cntl-alt-f1 to f5?  I have x np
[01:35] <ksmurf> using breezy
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> FhaeTon: you can setup and install onto raid from the installer
[01:35] <afaik> should I kill /sbin/getty?
[01:35] <jamuraa> cevizoglu: the pcmcia is texas instruments pci1420 though
[01:35] <afaik> what is getty?
[01:35] <someuser> enyone knows how can i save my current settings runing from a Live-CD on next boot?
[01:35] <cevizoglu> jamuraa: ah, ok.  I'm about to buy a dell maybe so I was getting worried there
[01:35] <FhaeTon> Ii have them hooked up as master one to the primary and the other to the secondary
[01:36] <rob^> _eyez, IA32 unless you have another platform
[01:36] <_eyez> Linux IA32 , Linux amd64/em64t and linux IA64 and freeBSD
[01:36] <eviltaco> Hi first off, I got my Ubuntu CDs today and am VERY happy.
[01:36] <someuser> is someone free to help...
[01:36] <rob^> most likely
[01:36] <_eyez> rob^, ok thx. no i am using the normal system
[01:36] <brownie17> someuser, umm. why do you want to do that?
[01:36] <eviltaco> But then I have a question, is there a java installer that is already premade to work with Ubuntu, so I don't have to make one?
[01:36] <someuser> to use my prefrencces on next boot...
[01:37] <rob^> _eyez, you do know the nvidia drivers are packaged in ubuntu?
[01:37] <brownie17> someuser, the nature of livecd is that you don't save your settings, therefore guaranteeing it will work next time
[01:37] <henk> HrdwrBoB, is there a tool that will let me define my own keyboard shortcuts? i want to bind some applications to keys that are not in the list of keyboard shortcuts
[01:37] <scottt> !java
[01:37] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:37] <Zeroblitzt> uh oh. I hit a snag when trying to install Breezy
[01:37] <Zeroblitzt> now I'm afraid to restart my computer
[01:37] <someuser> thre is en option on other Live-CD i have trayed
[01:37] <FireCat> Is anyone else running AMD64 smp Breezy that can confirm that Module.symvers
[01:37] <FireCat>  is missing out of linux-headers
[01:37] <someuser> thre is en option on other Live-CD i have trayed!!!!!
[01:37] <ksmurf> Is there a good rss agrarator for gnome that will handle podcasts?
[01:37] <scottt> !java
[01:37] <ubotu> [java]  to install Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:37] <someuser> and further more the system aoutoloads it on boot
[01:37] <scottt> damn it. sorry
[01:37] <_eyez> rob^, the newest once?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> someuser: the option you want is currently missing on Ubuntu live CDs
[01:38] <brownie17> someuser,  well why do you want to? if you want your settings saved, intall ubuntu
[01:38] <eviltaco> "Package j2re1.4 has no installation candidate
[01:38] <eviltaco> " what does that mean?
[01:38] <rob^> _eyez, the one on the nvidia site is most likely the latest one
[01:38] <thoreauputic> brownie17: you are kind of missing the point here :)
[01:38] <_eyez> rob^, ok, cool thx
[01:38] <someuser> i do not want to install enything, issent it the butee of LIVE_CD???
[01:38] <ksmurf> wvil it means there is no sun java in the repos anymore
[01:38] <rob^> eviltaco, you need to enable the repositories
[01:38] <brownie17> thoreauputic, i am? explain please?
[01:38] <rob^> eviltaco, and do it as per restrictedformats
[01:39] <scottt> someuser: no. thats not the beauty of a live-cd
[01:39] <pestilence> help!  thunderbird won't start
[01:39] <thoreauputic> brownie17: various people use live CDs as a kind of portable linux: they like to keep their personal settings etc
[01:39] <scottt> someuser: the point is to use _very_ generic settings so it will work everytime, then configure from there
[01:39] <pestilence> it doesn't give any real errors on the command line, it just hangs
[01:39] <brownie17> thoreauputic, oh ok
[01:39] <ksmurf> Is there a good rss agrarator for gnome that will handle podcasts?  I have tried bashpodder....
[01:39] <scottt> pestilence
[01:39] <scottt> !ff fix
[01:39] <ubotu> from memory, ff fix is sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends firefox firefox-gnome-support ; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[01:39] <eviltaco> rob^ I'm in the SPM, what package should I enable?
[01:39] <someuser> well for me it is, the reason whay i don't installig it it's that Linux Takes over my boot, & i HATE IT!
[01:40] <pestilence> and if i do "mv .mozilla-thunderbird .mozilla-thunderbird-old" it doesn't help
[01:40] <scottt> pestilence: then killall firefox-bin and try starting again
[01:40] <someuser> *install
[01:40] <pestilence> scottt: was this caused by a recent dist-upgrade?
[01:40] <rob^> !nvidia
[01:40] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:40] <ksmurf> someuser you can choose other os as the default
[01:40] <thoreauputic> someuser: "takes over" ? What do you mean? grub gives a choice of OS...
[01:41] <someuser> yes, but i wish to use MS boot Loader & not Linuxm is there a way to do so?
[01:41] <rob^> ubotu tell eviltaco about java
[01:41] <scottt> pestilence: it was caused by you using backports and upgrade together, probably
[01:41] <someuser> Linux,*
[01:41] <thoreauputic> someuser: there is, but why?
[01:41] <d2dchat> what program do you use to write cds?
[01:41] <someuser> i hate changes :P
[01:41] <thoreauputic> someuser: grub is much easier to install and use, and more powerful
[01:41] <ksmurf> Anyone? Is there a good rss agrarator that will handle podcasts in gnome??
[01:41] <brownie17> someuser, then why linux :)
[01:41] <rob^> d2dchat, gnomebaker
[01:42] <cevizoglu> someuser: do you mean you want windows to be default?  it's editable
[01:42] <rob^> d2dchat, or k3b
[01:42] <someuser> once i installed Mndrake & cursed the moment it took control of my boot loading :}
[01:42] <pestilence> scottt: they are already the  newest version, and firefox and firefox-gnome-support were not installed
[01:42] <someuser> no,no
[01:42] <pestilence> scottt: i'm not using backports.
[01:42] <scottt> pestilence: you must have another problem then
[01:42] <someuser> i want to see in the Windows Multiboot option the Linux os, is it possible?
[01:42] <scottt> =)
[01:42] <d2dchat> rob^, ty:)
[01:42] <pestilence> anybody else know why thunderbird all of a sudden stopped working?
[01:42] <rob^> np
[01:43] <thoreauputic> someuser: this sounds like a personal problem of yours - I suggest counselling *grin*
[01:43] <someuser> "I suggest counselling *grin*"  ??ahh?
[01:43] <FireCat> someuser: No, microsoft doesn't understand other filesystems
[01:43] <snausages> someuser he's making fun of yo ubecause you wanna use windows
[01:43] <cevizoglu> someuser: microsoft doesn't want you to boot linux, that option will never be there
[01:44] <thoreauputic> someuser: but seriously, if you want to do that , google "windows ntloader linux" or similar
[01:44] <rob^> whatever..
[01:44] <someuser> it's ok, i allsow gonna use OSX 1.4 i hope it's less funy :P
[01:44] <cevizoglu> pestilence: the.. oh nevermind
[01:45] <thoreauputic> snausages: no I wasn't making fun of that - just his need to have windows control his dual boot :)
[01:45] <someuser> ok, so is there a GUI & easy way to make win deafolt sys?
[01:45] <someuser> rob, i'm not.
[01:45] <qt2> damnit. brb, reboot.
[01:45] <cevizoglu> someuser: not that I know of but it's pretty easy to make windows the default boot
[01:46] <_eyez> what porgram can i use for waching films with (divx, avi)
[01:46] <someuser> enyway, installing Linux on my HD is to Obligating for me. i just want to have fun with it. :}
[01:46] <someuser> and to tray es meny Live-OS that i can.
[01:47] <someuser> ty, enyway.
[01:47] <brownie17> cevizoglu, i only use it for fixing shit when ubotu is broke
[01:48] <brownie17> cevizoglu, ubuntu*
[01:48] <hyperactivecrond> !mp3
[01:48] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:48] <someuser> no, live-cd it grate!!! & it's the reason i use ubuntu now !!!
[01:48] <rob^> no no, ubotu is often broke
[01:48] <cevizoglu> brownie17: you can also use safemode for that
[01:48] <rob^> :)
[01:48] <cevizoglu> brownie17: at least some times
[01:48] <hyperactivecrond> ugh where can I install mp3 support in Breezy
[01:48] <brownie17> cevizoglu, mkay
[01:48] <thoreauputic> someuser: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=windows+ntloader+linux&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[01:48] <hyperactivecrond> someuser, do u have 2k or XP?
[01:49] <someuser> xp
[01:49] <hyperactivecrond> use grub
[01:49] <hyperactivecrond> it works fine
[01:49] <thoreauputic> !tell hyperactivecrond about mp3
[01:49] <someuser> i hate grube
[01:49] <hyperactivecrond> use lilo then
[01:49] <selinium> hi thoreauputic :)
[01:49] <someuser> OK, let's say that i will install ubuntu on my HD.....
[01:50] <_eyez> what porgram can i use for waching films with (divx, avi)
[01:50] <thoreauputic> someuser: I gave you a whole page of google links on this subject
[01:50] <afaik> xine
[01:50] <afaik> or mplayer
[01:50] <brownie17> _eyez, vlc is good
[01:50] <marcellus> _eyez: xine, mplayer, totem, vlc, etc..
[01:50] <someuser> is there a good way to uninstal it end get the MS bootloader without reformating?
[01:50] <hyperactivecrond> !tell _eyez about divx
[01:50] <someuser> i'm reading ty.
[01:51] <_eyez> thanks guys
[01:51] <someuser> But, is there a good way to uninstal it end get the MS bootloader without reformating?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> someuser: questions about the windows bootloader are kind of off-topic here
[01:51] <smur> I really hate to ask, but how do I mount and read/write to a secondary ntfs drive?
[01:51] <rubem> hi there...
[01:51] <someuser> now dont be childish..
[01:51] <smur> I edited fstab
[01:51] <rubem> What player is a good player for play .mov videos?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> smur: write to ntfs isn't supported in linux
[01:51] <rikai> rubem, vlc
[01:52] <hyperactivecrond> thoreauputic, with capture it is
[01:52] <rob^> captiiventfs?
[01:52] <afaik> xine and mplayer work well
[01:52] <thoreauputic> smur: at least not without experimental additions
[01:52] <hyperactivecrond> s/capture/captiventfs
[01:52] <afaik> rubem, you'll need the codecs though
[01:52] <thoreauputic> hyperactivecrond: yes I know
[01:52] <smur> I was afraid of that
[01:52] <afaik> they are in multi-verse I think
[01:52] <butcherbird> someuser, fdisk /mbr or fixmbr something like that in windows
[01:52] <afaik> or sid
[01:52] <afaik> :)
[01:52] <hyperactivecrond> someuser, recovery console
[01:52] <smur> I can READ ntfs though?
[01:52] <hyperactivecrond> from win cd
[01:52] <hyperactivecrond> smur: yes
[01:52] <someuser> ok!, and how do i delete the files ?
[01:53] <rubem> afaik, rikal, even in this vlc I'll need the codecs?
[01:53] <h08817> delete what files?
[01:53] <butcherbird> rubem, vlc you wont need codecs
[01:53] <smur> Okay, well, then I just add an "ro" to the options line in fstab, then mount it?  I can just copy everything
[01:53] <someuser> i mean after ih'v don it, how cen i remuve ubuntu os files afterwood?
[01:53] <rubem> thank you, let's apt-get :)
[01:53] <afaik> bur[n] er, I thought you did?
[01:54] <rikai> someuser, format the partition.
[01:54] <rikai> someuser, the partition that had ubuntu on it that is.
[01:54] <rubem> which are the best apt repositories?
[01:54] <selinium> !repos
[01:54] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:54] <rubem> I use mirrors.kernel.org
[01:54] <h08817> someuser: you can use fdisk to format it but make sure you remove the non-dos partition
[01:54] <thoreauputic> rubem: don't use debian repos, please
[01:55] <afaik> I'm a command line commando
[01:55] <selinium> rubem, use ^^^^
[01:55] <someuser> ok,  so i need to make a new partition for ubuntu and then murg it with win prt'?!
[01:55] <t432> Whats wrong with slackware people?
[01:55] <afaik> and I was curious, how can I watch movies from the CLI?
[01:55] <rubem> thoreauputic, why? Ubuntu isn't debian based?
[01:55] <hyperactivecrond> rubem, you can screw stuff up if you do so
[01:55] <afaik> rubem, switch to debian sid repositories and do a dist-upgrade
[01:55] <selinium> rubem, based yes, debian no
[01:55] <smur> hyperactivecrond: okay, I should just add an "ro" option to fstab, then mount and copy everything?
[01:55] <t432> Ubuntu is debian based
[01:55] <smur> I just need the music off the drive and such
[01:56] <thoreauputic> rubem: it is, but it's based on a snapshot of sid - it is normally out of sync with ubuntu
[01:56] <hyperactivecrond> smur: options = ro,uid=smur
[01:56] <hyperactivecrond> smur=ur username
[01:56] <afaik> I done it before... it "upgraded" my ubuntu box to a debian box :)
[01:56] <rubem> sorry, hyperactivecrond, I did not get it...
[01:56] <rikai> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/375207 <- can someone tell me how to fix this problem?
[01:56] <afaik> "Fourth Level, passed!"
[01:56] <afaik> I kid, I kid :)
[01:56] <rubem> hum, my system could crash?
[01:56] <smur> hyperactivecrond: thankyou very much
[01:56] <afaik> it could
[01:56] <afaik> or it could be better
[01:56] <hyperactivecrond> np
[01:56] <selinium> rubem you can break your box yes
[01:56] <thoreauputic> rubem: your package management can get totally stuffed up
[01:56] <someuser> you see it's to mouch hard work - Live-CD is so Easy!!!!
[01:57] <rubem> ow... I hate free software lack of padronization...
[01:57] <hyperactivecrond> rubem, think using windows 3.1 packages under XP
[01:57] <afaik> well, I dont see how he would break his box doing a dist-upgrade to Debian Sid
[01:57] <hyperactivecrond> s/3.1/2.0
[01:57] <afaik> it would turn his box into debian
[01:57] <afaik> thats all
[01:57] <rubem> good point. hyperactivecrond
[01:57] <hyperactivecrond> afaik, you try that and tell us how it works out.
[01:57] <Nikopol> afaik, yeah so as we said break it ;)
[01:58] <thoreauputic> afaik: gcc4 (if from breezy) for one example
[01:58] <rubem> so, do you recomend thesse: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 only?
[01:58] <afaik> gcc4 is in experimental
[01:58] <afaik> not sid
[01:58] <Nikopol> there's a huge gulf between debian and ubuntu at the mo no?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> afaik: exactly
[01:58] <afaik> so I stand by my words
[01:58] <afaik> his box will not break
[01:58] <rikai> someuser, it's jsut as hard to uninstall windows. :P
[01:58] <thoreauputic> afaik: breeezy uses gcc4, sid doesn't
[01:58] <crimsun> Nikopol: "huge"? Not nearly as huge as one might think.
[01:58] <rubem> hyperactivecrond, do you recomendo to use these only: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:58] <rubem> ?
[01:59] <someuser> so tell me ther is no way to isnatll ubuntu and renuve it without reformating & reinstalling WIndows ?!
[01:59] <afaik> oh breezy
[01:59] <afaik> my bad
[01:59] <Nikopol> crimsun, regarding the packages they're not too compatible at the mo no?
[01:59] <someuser> remuve*
[01:59] <afaik> I thought it was an expression
[01:59] <crimsun> Nikopol: they're nearly always source-compatibel.
[01:59] <crimsun> compatible, rather
[01:59] <Nikopol> crimsun, true
[01:59] <hyperactivecrond> rikai, mkreiserfs /dev/hda1? :(
[01:59] <hyperactivecrond> oops :)
[01:59] <Flying-Penguin> HOLY CRAP
[01:59] <rikai> hyperactivecrond, lol.
[01:59] <selinium> afaik: It's not a good idea to confuse people about the repos! :)
[01:59] <Nikopol> crimsun, not really that big on the face of things
[01:59] <afaik> what is the flying spaghetti monster
[01:59] <hyperactivecrond> rubem: not under breezy
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> afaik: google will tell you
[02:00] <hyperactivecrond> but for hoary they're the derault
[02:00] <Nikopol> afaik, his box may not break but could become a pain in the ass to use
[02:00] <JairunCaloth> If I compiled my video drivers and I get this update with the new headers and image, am I going to have to recompile my drivers?
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> I was touched by his noodly appendage
[02:00] <rohal> hi i have been using ubuntu from a month now.......doing grt....but wht u ppl feel about gentoo???
[02:00] <hyperactivecrond> We're on a highway to hell... WE're on a highway to hell...
[02:00] <butcherbird> someuser, look at partition magic to free up space for a new partition
[02:00] <hyperactivecrond> rohal, trollfood
[02:00] <hyperactivecrond> or flamefuel
[02:00] <Nikopol> rohal, you kidding yeah?
[02:00] <afaik> grt?
[02:01] <Nikopol> great I assume
[02:01] <Nikopol> or gr8
[02:01] <hyperactivecrond> but rohal imho gentoo's fast b/c everythings from source.
[02:01] <afaik> rohal, check the bans in #gentoo and you will see my feelings on it
[02:01] <hyperactivecrond> but hard to use
[02:01] <someuser> its just to much fuss for me!!! that's whay i use Live-CD only!
[02:01] <rohal> Nikopol: how would u rate that gentoo??
[02:01] <afaik> hyperactivecrond, a lie
[02:01] <thoreauputic> rohal: distro discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:01] <afaik> I ran gentoo on a box for 6 months
[02:01] <cevizoglu> rohal: don't feel anything about gentoo... what does it matter?
[02:01] <hyperactivecrond> afaik, i've been banend too , thx astinus
[02:01] <hyperactivecrond> but as rockinnerd
[02:01] <afaik> I noticed no speed increase. and yes, I used all the "optimization flags"
[02:02] <afaik> Gentoo being "faster" is a myth
[02:02] <someuser> i hade very bad expiriens with Mandrake Dual Boot & just wish ubuntu hade a save settings script, like OTHER LIVE_CD DO!
[02:02] <rikai> hyperactivecrond, ubuntu runs more speedily than gentoo for me :o
[02:02] <Nikopol> rohal, have used it before but really felt the emerge times were not really worth the potential improvement
[02:02] <hyperactivecrond> cool
[02:02] <thoreauputic> guys, gentoo discussions >> #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:02] <afaik> after all, there's nothing "fast" about spending 40 hours compiling kde
[02:02] <rohal> its distro watch rating is way down...as compared to ubuntu....why so...i thought its a popoular & fast distro
[02:02] <Nikopol> ok sorry :(
[02:02] <afaik> when I can apt-get it in 5 minutes
[02:02] <hyperactivecrond> afaik, the binaries are fast too i think
[02:02] <rikai> someuser, err, you could always make one. :D
[02:02] <afaik> rohal, again, gentoo being fast is a myth
[02:02] <afaik> prove me wrong
[02:03] <someuser> how?
[02:03] <afaik> s/fast/faster
[02:03] <rohal> Nikopol: so u prefer ubuntu over gentoo....i have seen guys finally settling on gentoo after moving around on many distros....
[02:03] <someuser> whait, isent there a save iso command ??
[02:03] <Nikopol> rohal, sure
[02:03] <thoreauputic> afaik: please, you have been asked: #ubuntu-offtopic for gento/distro discussions
[02:03] <hyperactivecrond> rohal, that's them.
[02:03] <someuser> i'll settle for that
[02:03] <rikai> rohal, did they try ubuntu? :P
[02:03] <sudonim> anybody using evolution to connect to exchange 2003?
[02:04] <JairunCaloth> I've heard people say that they like gentoo because of the customizability, but it's a pain in the arse to setup
[02:04] <afaik> rohal, I have tried genteww, Dredian, Red Crap, Womandrake, and suckware, before I finally found my home with FreeBSD
[02:04] <rohal> Nikopol: atleast they have tried debian..
[02:04] <afaik> anyway, I am done on this topic
[02:04] <Nikopol> rohal, I won't talk about it here
[02:04] <rubem> hey guys, you helped a lot, but can anyone say me which are the bests apt repos for ubuntu?
[02:04] <rikai> can someone tell me how to fix this problem when upgrading packages? -> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/375207
[02:04] <Nikopol> am in the other channel
[02:04] <afaik> but will rohal follow?
[02:04] <rohal> Nikopol: iwill
[02:05] <JairunCaloth> If I get this kernel patch, am I going to have to recompile my video drivers?
[02:05] <someuser> thre shuld be a way to make en ISO from the current Live-CD that's loaded to the machine, rghite????
[02:05] <rohal> Nilkopol: where will u be comfortable to talk abt this???
[02:05] <Nikopol> rohal, sure
[02:05] <deadcat> is zd1211 in ubuntu or plans to be in ubuntu?
[02:05] <someuser> somone?>
[02:05] <Nikopol> rohal, #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:05] <hyperactivecrond> someuser, chill
[02:06] <crimsun> deadcat: "zd1211"?
[02:06] <someuser> k
[02:06] <sudonim> Anybody using evolution w/ Exchange?
[02:06] <rubem> is there a portage implementatiob for ubuntu?
[02:06] <crimsun> no.
[02:06] <bimberi> ubotu tell rikai about ff fix
[02:06] <rubem> :(
[02:06] <deadcat> crimsun: wireless usb driver
[02:06] <hyperactivecrond> !tell rikai about ff fix
[02:07] <hyperactivecrond> woops
[02:07] <rikai> lol, thanks guys. ;)
[02:07] <rikai> why does that do that anyway?
[02:08] <bimberi> rikai: sorts out an issue with backports
[02:08] <selinium> tell rubem about repos
[02:08] <rikai> bimberi, ah, so it's backports causing the issues
[02:08] <bimberi> rikai: this time yes :)
[02:08] <hyperactivecrond> !tell rubem about repos
[02:09] <selinium> hyperactivecrond, cheers!
[02:09] <hyperactivecrond> lol
[02:09] <rikai> "mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory" <- i'm assuming that's an error i can ignore...? ;)
[02:10] <bimberi> rikai: hm, not sure, not much alternative tho
[02:10] <rikai> indeedy.
[02:11] <intuit_> woot!
[02:11] <intuit_> jk
[02:13] <afaik> rohal wont come to #ubuntu-offtopic, because he wants to troll in #ubuntu
[02:13] <war-totem> HrdwrBoB, do you know how to specify a color for a specific email?
[02:14] <Falstius> what happened to azureus, its not in the repositories anymore?
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> war-totem: no
[02:15] <war-totem> HrdwrBoB, ok tx
[02:15] <rikai> Falstius, it is.
[02:15] <sdali> Anyone understand why iptables would show "accept all, anywhere,anywhere" for my input chain? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2569  Doesn't this mean that I'm basically not running a firewall?
[02:15] <someuser> eureka ! ! !
[02:16] <crimsun> sdali: by default Ubuntu does nothing with iptables+netfilter
[02:16] <someuser> "how to build a customized Ubuntu LiveCD based on the new Live CD infrastructure"  :} GOT IT !!!
[02:16] <rob_p> sdali:  Yup!
[02:16] <rikai> hm, time to reboot now.
[02:16] <someuser> :p :p
[02:16] <Falstius> rikai: I get this: Package azureus is not available, but is referred to by another package. Blah Blah Blah.
[02:16] <someuser> i'm cheel'd ;)
[02:16] <rikai> Falstius, strange, i installed it a few minutes ago
[02:16] <kb7ypf> so did I
[02:16] <sdali> crimsun: Then how in the heck did it get enabled, with somewhat intelligent entries if ubuntu didn't do it?
[02:17] <Falstius> I'm running AMD64 .. maybe it is blocking it
[02:17] <rikai> Falstius, try closing synaptic, opening a terminal and typing apt-get update
[02:17] <rikai> oh, that might be it.
[02:17] <rikai> i'm not very familiar with amd64 issues yet. :P
[02:17] <rikai> anywho, reboot time.
[02:17] <kb7ypf> what is this?  Just installed Ubuntu and playing around :-)
[02:17] <livewire_> hi all
[02:18] <kb7ypf> hello
[02:18] <jroes> 19:17 -!- livewire_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[02:18] <crimsun> sdali: what got enabled?
[02:18] <livewire_> Im back in the linux thing after a 2 year hiatus
[02:18] <rikai> kb7ypf, xchat is an irc client, #ubuntu is an irchelp channel for ubuntu, ubuntu is a linux distrobution.
[02:18] <sdali> crimsun: /var/log/messages shows it like this:
[02:18] <sdali> Sep 22 08:25:48 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team
[02:18] <sdali> Sep 22 08:25:48 localhost kernel: ip_conntrack version 2.1 (6143 buckets, 49144 max) - 336 bytes per conntrack
[02:18] <max> bitte?
[02:18] <livewire_> and of course I have hardware that doesn't work
[02:18] <crimsun> sdali: that means there's kernel support for it enabled. That doesn't mean a firewall is ACTIVE.
[02:18] <max> lol, got highlight :D
[02:18] <kb7ypf> rikai: thanks for the information..  Help is something I could use.
[02:18] <livewire_> anyone have a soundblaster audigy 4 (non-pro) working?
[02:19] <d2dchat> how do i mount my cdrom drive?
[02:19] <d2dchat> for some reason the cd writer doesnt recognize it
[02:19] <d2dchat> BUT
[02:19] <d2dchat> it does?
[02:19] <d2dchat> lol
[02:19] <rob_p> sdali:  According to your paste, it looks like something has indeed manipulated the filtering tables...
[02:19] <d2dchat> it found it but it's not mounted?
[02:19] <sdali> crimsun: iptables shows my DNS servers, both of my eth interfaces, and it appears that it has also looked at the static routes I have setup.
[02:19] <kb7ypf> Question:  why does "wine" run some win98 programs and not others?
[02:20] <test34-> d2dchat, mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mount/point - might work
[02:20] <crimsun> sdali: huh?
[02:20] <sdali> crimsun: shorewall isn't enabled, and firestarter was never configured.
[02:21] <crimsun> sdali: I have no idea what you're asking
[02:21] <crimsun> sdali: there is no firewall configured by default. If you want one enabled, you have to install one and configure it, then activate it.
[02:22] <sdali> crimsun: "iptables -L " shows that something has considered my "setup" (interfaces, DNS, static routes) and it has made the entries in the iptables (kernel). So, if ubuntu didn't do that for me, then ... ?
[02:22] <someuser> bye
[02:23] <sdali> crimsun: I guess I need to look closer to see if firestarter did it for me.
[02:23] <rob_p> sdali:  crimsun is correct in his statement.  However, it looks like you do indeed have something installed that is configuring at least a minimal set of packet filtering rules.  I'd check your runlevel dir for any symbolic links to any of the firewall configuration apps you have installed.
[02:23] <riddlebox> is anyone using a WPC54G wireless card?
[02:23] <Paradoxx> can some1 explain to me how to install a .deb?
[02:23] <shinu> anyone know if the Orinoco Gold Combocard is linux compatible?
[02:23] <crimsun> Paradoxx: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[02:23] <sdali> rob_p: Yep. I think so too. THanks.
[02:23] <rob_p> np
[02:23] <afaik> rohal, you can fuck off with the trolling
[02:24] <Paradoxx> crimsun: and then what?
[02:24] <tristanmike> afaik, and you can watch the language
[02:24] <tristanmike> afaik, please :)
[02:24] <rubem> where can i get the .mov codec for totem ????
[02:24] <Nameless12> im back, and still having problems. i have reinstalled ubuntu this time version 5.04  i have redone my xorg.conf when ubuntu loads my 2nd monitor "powers down" and goes on stand by, i am confused  anyway here is the xorg file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2570
[02:25] <rubem> where can i get the .mov codec for totem ????
[02:25] <rubem> anyone????
[02:26] <Nikopol> is that not in the w32codecs?
[02:26] <Nameless12> rubem, there is a good tutorial for that at www.ubuntuguide.org (it has all the codecs listed there and there is a repositarys list there if you need it)
[02:26] <rohal> afaik: any probs??
[02:26] <transparentdream> Why won;t my wireless work> It says it's active but i cant connect to the internet
[02:26] <sdali> rob_p: Check my understanding here - who or whatever configured the firewall for me added an entry that says "ACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere". This says to me that I'm wide open, but today when a colleague of mine tried to VNC into my ubuntu box, he was not allowed (due to the firewall). Does that accept all anywhere,anywhere open it up to the world or not?
[02:26] <Paradoxx> crimsun: ty much dude
[02:27] <crimsun> deadcat: support for the zd1211 was added to Breezy's kernel on Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:33:25 +0200
[02:27] <Nikopol> rubem, what you under?
[02:27] <rob_p> sdali:  one sec... let me review your paste again...
[02:27] <bettong_BOFH> has anyone tryed to install skype in breezy?
[02:27] <crimsun> deadcat: see linux-source-2.6.12 (2.6.12-3.2)
[02:27] <bettong_BOFH> i'm running into a dependancy problem
[02:27] <sdali> rob_p: I left out all of the other personally identifiable parts.
[02:28] <rubem> Nikopol Ubuntu 5.04
[02:28] <Etkinson> anyone here ever tried gentoo?
[02:28] <bettong_BOFH> yes i have
[02:28] <bettong_BOFH> it's not worth it
[02:28] <Etkinson> for how long?
[02:28] <bettong_BOFH> not for a run of the mill user
[02:28] <Nikopol> rubem, yeah it should be in the w32codecs
[02:29] <rob_p> sdali:  Yes.  It would appear to be the case with the entry that reads, "ACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere."
[02:29] <bettong_BOFH> for about the 4 hours it took to compile it
[02:29] <Etkinson> i'm thinking about trying gentoo to increase my knowledge of linux...
[02:29] <Nikopol> rubem, you've set up the extra repositories?
[02:29] <Agrajag> That won't increase your knowledge of anything
[02:29] <bettong_BOFH> well if ya want to go ahead
[02:29] <adjacent> Etkinson: why not use a harder binary distro?
[02:29] <Etkinson> :)
[02:29] <bettong_BOFH> it will just piss you off in the end
[02:29] <Agrajag> it'll increase the time you spend staring blankly at gcc output
[02:29] <rubem> Nikopol, what extra repos?
[02:29] <Etkinson> i'm not an average user; i have alot of motivation to learn when it comes to linux.
[02:30] <transparentdream> Hey, is there a way to remote connect to a friend's computer to help them like in Wondows?
[02:30] <Nikopol> rubem, have you edited the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[02:30] <WhiteRabbit> gentoo does teach patience
[02:30] <Agrajag> gentoo really won't teach you anything. If you want to learn everything, in depth, do LFS
[02:30] <bettong_BOFH> well then go ahead all i have to say is it wasen't my flavor
[02:30] <rubem> Nikopol, i have seted up some extra repos, dont know if it is the repos you are thinking
[02:30] <Nikopol> rubem, that's where you add the extra repos
[02:30] <sdali> rob_p: check this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2571
[02:30] <rubem> Nikopol yes
[02:30] <Agrajag> all gentoo teaches you is how to read the instructions they give you, step by step
[02:30] <adjacent> Etkinson: use debian or slackware. id suggest slackware if you really want to learn. you will lose your dependence on a package manager
[02:30] <rob_p> sdali:  You could try manually flushing all the chains and resetting the default policies back to ACCEPT for all built-in chains.  Then have your friend try VNC again.
[02:30] <bettong_BOFH> i got frustrated with it and said screw it
[02:30] <Nikopol> erm I'll open a dialogue with you so I can see what you have
[02:30] <bettong_BOFH> and the next os i tryed was ubuntu
[02:30] <sdali> rob_p: I know that works
[02:30] <Nameless12> rubem, there is a good tutorial for that at www.ubuntuguide.org (it has all the codecs listed there and there is a repositarys list there if you need it)
[02:30] <Etkinson> i have tried suse, slackware and redhat but i feel blocked with all the major distros from learning
[02:30] <Nameless12> rubem, oops wrong paste
[02:30] <rubem> ok, i'll try it
[02:30] <bettong_BOFH> and i haven't tryed anything esle
[02:30] <Etkinson> except slakware though.. but it didnt real work for me.
[02:30] <Nameless12> im back, and still having problems. i have reinstalled ubuntu this time version 5.04  i have redone my xorg.conf when ubuntu loads my 2nd monitor "powers down" and goes on stand by, i am confused  anyway here is the xorg file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2570
[02:31] <Etkinson> i'm with ubuntu for 3 months now..
[02:31] <riddlebox> Etkinson:do you have wireless?
[02:31] <Etkinson> so for how long do u have ubuntu bettong_BOFH
[02:31] <bettong_BOFH> it works outta the box and is better than win xp could ever hope to be
[02:31] <transparentdream> Is there a pcAnywhere like program for Ubuntu?
[02:31] <sdali> rob_p: If line 9 of my pastebin says it's open, then why didn't vnc work?
[02:31] <bettong_BOFH> i have been running ubuntu for almost 9 monthes now
[02:32] <Etkinson> cool
[02:32] <adjacent> transparentdream: whats pc anywhere? remote desktop?
[02:32] <WhiteRabbit> transparentdream, ssh
[02:32] <Etkinson> since the previous ver i understand?
[02:32] <Nikopol> afaik, I talkd to rohal
[02:32] <transparentdream> adjacent, yes, remote desktop
[02:32] <Nikopol> he was fine
[02:32] <WhiteRabbit> transparentdream, Although You may want FreeNX
[02:32] <Nikopol> not a troll
[02:32] <adjacent> transparentdream: whats the matter with remote desktop then?
[02:32] <transparentdream> ...Where is it?
[02:32] <afaik> Nikopol, "plz tll me why freebsd is grt!?" isn't trolling?
[02:32] <bettong_BOFH> i think that ubuntu has a really good chance to compete with windows
[02:33] <afaik> heheheh
[02:33] <dooglus> adjacent: system -> preferences -> remote desktop
[02:33] <Nikopol> afaik, well from my talk with him he wasn't
[02:33] <transparentdream> ....i found it..
[02:33] <deadcat> crimsun: zd1211 is a 3rd party software. not in the source
[02:33] <Etkinson> ahh tell you the truth i dont give a damn about the popularity of any distro..
[02:33] <Nikopol> afaik, he was more curious about what makes a distro good
[02:33] <adjacent> dooglus: i know
[02:33] <cevizoglu> bettong_BOFH: a chance?  that's like saying you will consider considering if you're going to think about competing
[02:33] <Etkinson> i think that noone should give a damn.
[02:33] <bettong_BOFH> cevizoglu:  huh?
[02:33] <Etkinson> that's what is so good about opensource, we don't need to worry about these things.
[02:33] <dooglus> adjacent: oh, ok.  i meant to tell transparentdream I guess
[02:34] <afaik> yeah I know.. his numerous messages to me I didn't respond to kept saying stuff like "Wht makes a distro grt? I think it is speed, like gentoo"
[02:34] <afaik> lol
[02:34] <rob_p> sdali:  Seems like it should allow pretty much everything.  Either way, it's pretty clear that it's interfering somehow if flushing it fixes things.  I don't have an answer for you at the moment as to why though.
[02:34] <Nikopol> afaik, he doesn't use Gentoo apparatnly
[02:34] <crimsun> deadcat: erm, no: linux-image-2.6.12-9-686: /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/kernel/drivers/usb/net/zd1211/zd1211.ko
[02:34] <afaik> weird
[02:34] <sdali> rob_p: Thanks anyway. I'll continue to play and learn.
[02:34] <Etkinson> whee ha many ppl here!
[02:34] <bettong_BOFH> i have not had 1 problem that was worth dumping ubuntu over
[02:35] <crimsun> deadcat: like I said, read the changelog to see that Chuck Short applied it
[02:35] <dooglus> anyone know what on earth is going on with bug 1148?  It looks like the fixes have been removed, but I can't see any reason given for their removal
[02:35] <Paradoxx> any1 know where i can learn to use vi editor
[02:35] <shekhar> Seveas, hi, thanks for your help earlier today, i have upgraded to breezy
[02:35] <adjacent> Paradoxx: vimtutor
[02:35] <sdali> vim.org
[02:35] <Nikopol> afaik, hey I thought he was windinf us up at the beginnign too ;)
[02:35] <Nameless12> im back, and still having problems. i have reinstalled ubuntu this time version 5.04  i have redone my xorg.conf when ubuntu loads my 2nd monitor "powers down" and goes on stand by, i am confused  anyway here is the xorg file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2570
[02:35] <piercedh20> Is it ok to paste my error message in the channel? (3lines)
[02:35] <rob_p> sdali:  And you're sure it's on the INPUT chain?
[02:35] <Nikopol> afaik, I think just the mere mention of Gentoo sets off my alarm bells for flamebait
[02:35] <sdali> Abba-solutely
[02:35] <Paradoxx> adjacent: whats that?
[02:36] <dooglus> piercedh20: you'll probably get shouted at if you do
[02:36] <dooglus> !pastebin
[02:36] <piercedh20> Ok, then I won't :)
[02:36] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:36] <Nikopol> piercedh20, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:36] <sdali> piercedh20: Do it, do it, do it.
[02:36] <chazman> I'm going to get straight to the point since I'm sure I don't have anything to talk about that will interest you all. =P - There are two things that I cannot really find an answer to on the Ubuntu website. The first is if I can actually use (read - try to learn) SELinux in Ubuntu and the second is if I can use an accelerated GL X server.  You dont need optimized drivers for X or Gnome
[02:37] <sdali>  piercedh20: Do it, do it, do it. Take the risk.
[02:37] <adjacent> Nikopol: probably as long as the lines in the "shortest perl program"
[02:37] <Nikopol> adjacent,  mmm ;)
[02:37] <cevizoglu> it's ok to wonder which distro is better for those that don't feel like installing both, but not here.. offtopic maybe
[02:38] <chazman> JDahl, something is causing the GUI to run slower than Vista Beta 1 does
[02:38] <shekhar> can someone help me restore the default system font from hoary in breezy?
[02:38] <rubem> anyone know how to make wine play sounds?
[02:38] <dooglus> adjacent: the shortest perl program is empty:   perl -e ''
[02:38] <chazman> Mandrive is the only distro I've tried where the GUI doesn't make me want to kill
[02:38] <chazman> driva*
[02:38] <dooglus> chazman: in ubuntu you can xkill
[02:38] <JDahl> chazman, installing proprietary ATI wont affect ordinary desktop use
[02:39] <Etkinson> in gentoo, is it realy like compiling everything from scracth?
[02:39] <piercedh20> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2572  <--can someone please help me w/ this RPM issue
[02:39] <piercedh20> Not gonna do it sdali ;)
[02:39] <adjacent> dooglus: its a reference to perl golf
[02:39] <chazman> JDhal
[02:39] <chazman> I know
[02:39] <sdali> piercedh20: I did 9 lines last night, and only got one snide remark. ;)
[02:39] <Nikopol> piercedh20, you trying to install the rpm straight?
[02:39] <chazman> All I really gained was correct 3D Acceleration
[02:39] <piercedh20> yeah, with rpm, -i <filename>
[02:39] <chazman> Not that I'll use it in Linux...
[02:39] <piercedh20> er RPM -i <filename>
[02:39] <Nikopol> piercedh20, no that won't work
[02:39] <piercedh20> oh
[02:40] <Nikopol> piercedh20, apt-get install alien
[02:40] <robertj> fuse got accepted into vanilla right?
[02:40] <piercedh20> Im a linux newbie, so please teach me
[02:40] <piercedh20> ok
[02:40] <Nikopol> piercedh20, alien the.rpm
[02:40] <Nikopol> then you have a deb piercedh20
[02:40] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: the error message tells you what to do :)
[02:40] <Etkinson> bettong_BOFH: do you realy have to compile everything from scratch in gentoo?
[02:40] <rubem> anyone can tell me how to run cracked StarCraft on wine????
[02:40] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: alien foo.deb
[02:40] <sdali> Nikopol: After you "alien" it, then what do you ddo with the .deb?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> oops
[02:40] <bettong_BOFH> yea thats the way it works
[02:40] <dooglus> piercedh20: you're running "rpm"?
[02:40] <deadcat> crimsun: ok let me check the ppc kernel (=
[02:40] <chazman> Private messages blocked...please register - mmmmno
[02:40] <bettong_BOFH> very time consumeing
[02:40] <thoreauputic> alien foo.rpm
[02:41] <bettong_BOFH> and it dosen't come with a GUI
[02:41] <piercedh20> ok
[02:41] <Nikopol> piercedh20, dpkg -i the.deb
[02:41] <dooglus> piercedh20: you're running "rpm"?
[02:41] <piercedh20> Yes
[02:41] <Nikopol> piercedh20, put a sudo before it
[02:41] <Etkinson> bettong_BOFH: so you also compile gcc? heck, you compile the assembler too?!
[02:41] <Trixsey|Laptop> Anyone here got time to help me with some java?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: why are you using an rpm?
[02:41] <Nikopol> sudo dpkg -i the.deb piercedh20
[02:41] <bettong_BOFH> yup
[02:41] <Nikopol> actually maybe I should have asked that too
[02:41] <Etkinson> bettong_BOFH: ?! you're sure?!
[02:42] <piercedh20> thereauputic, b/c I couldnt get the uncompressed tar.gz to work
[02:42] <chazman> So what should I do to try and speed the GUI up? Or is it pretty much running as well as it ever will? (XP 3000+, Radeon X800 Pro)
[02:42] <bettong_BOFH> as far as i know i had to
[02:42] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: what are you installing?
[02:42] <piercedh20> AIM
[02:42] <bettong_BOFH> but when i tryed gentoo i was so new to linux i diden't fully understand what it was
[02:42] <shekhar> could someone help me with some minor issues in breezy
[02:42] <cafuego_> You know the precompiled kernel is bloated when a 250Mb / isn't enough to have two of them installed.
[02:42] <Nikopol> piercedh20, AIM?
[02:42] <piercedh20> Yes :P
[02:42] <bettong_BOFH> all i know is that it involved way to many commands for my taste
[02:42] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: erm - gaim does aim and is already installed
[02:42] <Paradoxx> ok, i'm looking at a file, now in vi, how do i find out where it is stored?
[02:42] <piercedh20> um...hmm
[02:42] <Nikopol> piercedh20, as what thoreau said
[02:42] <Etkinson> bettong_BOFH: because i read a bit in the gentoo website, and they say they do have their packaging system. you compile the packages, but still, you don't start completely from scratch as i understood from their website..
[02:43] <Nikopol> piercedh20, just do apt-get install gaim
[02:43] <bettong_BOFH> that may very well be
[02:43] <bettong_BOFH> i really don't know
[02:43] <piercedh20> ok
[02:43] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: also - use synaptic package manager to install stuff
[02:43] <Etkinson> mm
[02:43] <Agrajag> yes, yes you do. You start from a livecd and build EVERYTHING on your system from their package manager
[02:43] <bettong_BOFH> i have been using ubuntu ever sence
[02:43] <piercedh20> I did, but it didnt come up when I searched for it
[02:43] <JDahl> chazman, what's not running well under Gnome? I am running gnome on 1GHz/256MB machine without problems
[02:43] <Etkinson> Agrajag: you tried it ?
[02:43] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: gaim is installed by default
[02:43] <cafuego_> chazman: get a card that doesn't require the fglrx driver (ie: nvidia). That'll speed 3D up by a factor 2.
[02:43] <Agrajag> gentoo? I used it for almost a year
[02:43] <Nikopol> piercedh20, it may already be installed
[02:43] <Agrajag> I got sick of it
[02:44] <Paradoxx> how do i find out where a file i am looking at in vi is stored?
[02:44] <Etkinson> Agrajag: y did u stop?
[02:44] <cevizoglu> bettong_BOFH: I installed Gentoo over virtual pc once.  it took three weeks to compile KDE
[02:44] <chazman> The Gnome GUI itself just feels sluggish. Kinda like running Windows XP without a video driver installed. For example, when I move a window around the screen tears.
[02:44] <piercedh20> Yes, it said it was already installed
[02:44] <Agrajag> now I use ubuntu so that I don't have to wait hours on end to update anything
[02:44] <piercedh20> But I dont see it on my applications
[02:44] <bettong_BOFH> holy crap :-O
[02:44] <piercedh20> I feel sooo dumb
[02:44] <Nikopol> piercedh20, mmm
[02:44] <maurycy> how to uninstall openoffice? after dpkg -l | grep openoffice | grep '^ii' | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs apt-get -y remove, ubuntu still enforces me to install openoffice.
[02:44] <shekhar> can someone help me with some minor issues in breezy
[02:44] <Nikopol> app  > internet > GAIM
[02:44] <piercedh20> omg I found it
[02:44] <piercedh20> So sorry
[02:45] <Nikopol> piercedh20, hey no problemo
[02:45] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: no worries :)
[02:45] <piercedh20> ok
[02:45] <piercedh20> whew
[02:45] <Paradoxx> how do i find out where a file i'm looking at in vim is stored
[02:45] <Nikopol> well you know how to use alien now ;)
[02:45] <piercedh20> Yup =)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> !tell piercedh20 about docs
[02:45] <Etkinson> Agrajag: from you experience, would you recommend gentoo as a way to, lets say, "be smarter" linux-ly?
[02:45] <Nikopol> so it wasn't all a wasted :)
[02:45] <chazman> Plus, can anyone suggest some IRCds besides Unreal? I want choices in case I get too pissed at Unreal =P
[02:45] <cafuego_> maurycy: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep openoffice | grep '^ii' | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs apt-get -y remove
[02:45] <cevizoglu> Paradoxx: :!pwd
[02:45] <Kensey> hey AstralJava, I got my wireless card working just now!
[02:45] <cafuego_> maurycy Note the 'COLUMNS=200'
[02:45] <thoreauputic> piercedh20: browse the page ubotu sent you in pm
[02:45] <piercedh20> danke
[02:45] <Agrajag> Etkinson: no, not at all
[02:45] <Kensey> with the Ralink Linux drivers
[02:45] <piercedh20> will do
[02:46] <chazman> crap
[02:46] <cafuego_> chazman: apt-cache search ircd
[02:46] <Agrajag> You do everything according to step-by-step instructions from their website, which tell you what to do, but not why you're doing it.
[02:46] <Agrajag> Install linux from scratch if you really want to learn how everything works together
[02:46] <maurycy> cafuego_: no diff. i uninstalled it already, but i've played with kubuntu and am trying to get back to ubuntu-desktop. unfortunatelly i have in home slow gprs bandwith and i can't download a bunch of openoffice packages.
[02:46] <cafuego_> Agrajag: That's the thing about gentoo, there is no "why" ;-)
[02:46] <maurycy> cafuego_: i tried to do the pasted previously command, ubuntu uninstalled openoffice, but still after apt-get install ubuntu-desktop tries to download all these openoffice packages.
[02:46] <Agrajag> cafuego: yeah, couldn't stand it after a while
[02:46] <cafuego_> maurycy: Uh, ubuntu-desktop includes openoffice
[02:47] <Agrajag> when I heard about ubuntu, back about last august, I moved to it and neevr changed
[02:47] <dooglus> Paradoxx: what does control-g show you?
[02:47] <maurycy> cafuego_: i is it possible to install ubuntu-desktop excluding openoffice? or go back to ubuntu without downloading OOo?
[02:47] <sdali> Paradoxx: It is in your current directory, isn't it?
[02:47] <maurycy> s/i is/is/
[02:47] <Falstius> ubuntu seems to be about the oposite of Gentoo (I run both)
[02:47] <Chazman> cafuego_ chazman: get a card that doesn't require the fglrx driver (ie: nvidia). That'll speed 3D up by a factor 2.
[02:47] <_jason> FaithX:  which do you prefer
[02:47] <cafuego_> maurycy: no, becase 'ubuntu-desktop' depends on OOo, it will always try to install it.
[02:47] <dooglus> Paradoxx: hit control g.  if that doesn't show an absolute pathname, do :!pwd to see which directory you're in
[02:47] <Chazman> As much as I don't like nVidia, I seriously considered that while forcing the ATI driver in.
[02:48] <_jason> Falstius:  which do you prefer?
[02:48] <cafuego_> maurycy:  You cna of course install all the packages by hand.
[02:48] <maurycy> cafuego_: sure. any method to return to pure ubuntu without downloading openoffice?
[02:48] <maurycy> cafuego_: woah, great.
[02:48] <cafuego_> maurycy: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop (see list, parse)
[02:48] <Falstius> _jason: depends on what I'm doing.  Ubuntu is generally easier, but I've got a very specialized Gentoo setup which I can do things in quickly
[02:48] <thoreauputic> guys, for the second time in an hour - you are welcome to discuss gento in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:48] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: Just add a wordkick mate
[02:48] <Diskgrind> Can I have some help with Themes?
[02:49] <signbarn> i'm getting some problems on my Hoary box when I try to update: mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support aren't playing nice
[02:49] <piercedh20> Do any of the linux cd burning sw package convert mp3s to cda for home audio use?
[02:49] <Agrajag> maurycy: yould try this: in synaptic, tell it to install ubuntu-desktop, it should select all the gnome stuff. Then deselect ubuntu-desktop and all the openoffice stuff
[02:49] <Agrajag> and install
[02:49] <Diskgrind> with the Ubuntu, do I look for GTK 1x or 2x or what???
[02:49] <Agrajag> er, s/yould/you could/
[02:49] <maurycy> Agrajag: i can't run gnome, so i assume that synaptic won't run
[02:49] <Chazman> Also, I hear that you can use Windows components in conjunction with Wine to gain better compatibility. Has anyone tried this?
[02:50] <Agrajag> huh? you don't even have GTK?
[02:50] <Chazman> I can't part with Windows (FLStudio, some games) until I get an alternative that will do the job
[02:50] <Agrajag> you could try the same in aptitude or whatever other frontend to apt you have
[02:50] <spermite> i hate to bring this up in here, but i can't log on to #debian, but i was wondering how should i partition a 80 gig. just  " /boot /sawp and /root or  "/boot /sawp /root / home?
[02:50] <Diskgrind> well then what theme types should I look for to use with Ubuntu?
[02:50] <Agrajag> or you could do the ugly work yourself, find out what ubuntu-desktop installs and install all of it yourself, minus OO.o
[02:50] <Trixsey|Laptop> Anyone got time to help me with a little Java program?
[02:51] <Chazman> I would also like to talk about other stuff instead of just asking questions. Problem is that I don't know what the heck you all talk about...
[02:51] <maurycy> Agrajag: exactly. ;> dunno how i did it, but in fact i don't have any wm at the moment. but that's not the problem, i'm playing with apt-get without any frontends and just seems to download packages I wish
[02:51] <Agrajag> ouch, well aptitude just uses the console, with ncurses
[02:51] <Trixsey|Laptop> Anyone got time to help me with a little Java program? I'm getting a bunch of error messages and I dont know how to fix em! If anyone would be kind enough to help and tell me why my solution is wrong.. I'd love that
[02:51] <Agrajag> try installing aptitude and playing with that maybe
[02:52] <maurycy> Agrajag: (oh, in fact i know how i did it, i just apt-get removed all evolutions packages not taking too much care of depends ;>)
[02:52] <maurycy> Agrajag: thanks for hints anyway
[02:52] <spermite> ... waiting for feeback..?
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Trixsey|Laptop: don't repeat, please
[02:53] <Diskgrind> Can anyone give me help on what kinds of packages to look for when installing themes for Ubuntu?
[02:53] <Trixsey|Laptop> I didnt repeat.. I improved :p
[02:53] <spermite> i hate to bring this up in here, but i can't log on to #debian, but i was wondering how should i partition a 80 gig. just  " /boot /sawp and /root or  "/boot /sawp /root / home?
[02:53] <locomorto> Agrajag: can't you install ubuntu-desktop
[02:54] <locomorto> Agrajag: and then unistall that AND openoffice.org?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> spermite: separate /home is a good idea
[02:54] <Agrajag> locomorto: he doesn't want to download openoffice.
[02:54] <locomorto> Agrajag: ic
[02:54] <Chazman> I always just give Linux installs / and swap partitions. I'd probably give a /home as well when I actually deploy a server.
[02:54] <Etkinson> i wonder what does the community think about kde now?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> spermite: /boot isn't really necessary
[02:55] <Chazman> KDE
[02:55] <|ww> i am still trying to find a decent text editor that will syntax highlight more than just either one source/markup at a time
[02:55] <Chazman> hah
[02:55] <Etkinson> i understand that qt is completely gpled now so there is legally no differece with gnome?
[02:55] <locomorto> Etkinson: #kubuntu
[02:55] <maurycy> lw-afk: Vim!!!
[02:55] <Chazman> Gnome is slow to me, imagine how I feel in KDE <3
[02:55] <maurycy> |ww: Vim!!!
[02:55] <TokenBad> I typed xkill and by mistake clicked on the desktop thing at the bottom of my screen..so now its gone..how can I get that back so can pick switch between windows?
[02:55] <|ww> i might try Vim
[02:55] <|ww> lol
[02:55] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: make a new panel, right click, add applets
[02:55] <DaSkreech> is there a way to convert a powerpoint presentation to flash?
[02:55] <Agrajag> a separate /home is always a good idea, you neevr have to worry about it when installing a new distro or if you need to re-install everything
[02:55] <spermite> thoreauputic , dont understand what u mean by separate /home.
[02:55] <tag> Anyone use at76c503a or wlan-atmeldriver ?
[02:56] <dooglus> TokenBad: you still have a panel at the top?
[02:56] <dooglus> TokenBad: if so, right-click on some empty space on it and "new panel"
[02:56] <thoreauputic> spermite: a separate partition for /home ?
[02:56] <Etkinson> i don't talk about performance or features. just the license issue.
[02:56] <TokenBad> no...no panels at all
[02:56] <Etkinson> i mean, there is no difference comparing how 'free' the two are, right?
[02:56] <dooglus> TokenBad: run "gnome-panel" then I think
[02:57] <spermite> thoreauputic yes, so ur saying make a separate partition for /home correct?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: then type  gnome-panel
[02:57] <Agrajag> Etkinson: I believe qt for linux is QPL, not GPL. I could be wrong.
[02:57] <DaSkreech> is there a way to convert a powerpoint presentation to flash without running it through Openoffice
[02:57] <maurycy> Agrajag: ok, installed everything. i had all packages, excluding OOo, in the cache, so was quick
[02:57] <Agrajag> maurycy: oh good
[02:57] <Chazman> Oh! The other question I had when I came in. Is SELinux even available to Ubuntu right now? All I can find on the site are articles on what SE Linux is and who maintains it, but no "Yes, you can use it now" stuff
[02:57] <thoreauputic> spermite: if you want to preserve /home across installations, yes
[02:57] <spermite> =0( i just want normalness
[02:58] <maurycy> btw. is there any method to clean up /etc? i'd like to remove configuration files, which belong to removed packages.
[02:58] <Etkinson> Agrajag: i read that since version 2.2, trolltec released a license option for their Qt, GPL. so now developers chose between QPL and GPL when using their Qt
[02:58] <Paradoxx> has any1 here used the linux version to peer gaurdian?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> spermite: define "normalness"
[02:58] <Agrajag> oh ok
[02:58] <fmasi> hi i have some files a frend send me (from win) and when i see them in linux some of the caracter are displaid as ? and at the end of the file name ther is "(invalid encoding)". Whi do I have that ???
[02:58] <tritium> maurycy, purge packages (not just remove them) to clean out their config files as well
[02:58] <TokenBad> I am in KDE
[02:58] <misfit_toy> does anyone else see the issue where the CPU suddenly hit's 99% and stays there? I swear it has to be a gnome issue, cause I've seen it in both hoary and breezy too
[02:58] <maurycy> tritium: yeah, but i have removed them already. what to do now? :)
[02:58] <thoreauputic> spermite: BTW your nick should be changed - some people will find it offensive
[02:59] <tritium> maurycy, purge them as well now.
[02:59] <spermite> thoreauputic where everything is running smooth and having no hazzle
[02:59] <Chazman> Aw, there goes my idea to change my nick to fartbomb *runs*
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Chazman: heh :)
[03:00] <maurycy> tritium: oh, thanks, works :)
[03:00] <TokenBad> thoreauputic, I run kde
[03:00] <thoreauputic> misfit_toy: run " top " in a terminal and see what's eating your CPU
[03:00] <Noobster> alright
[03:00] <misfit_toy> thoreauputic, that's the problem, it doesn't point it out...
[03:00] <Etkinson> The issue (or part of the issue) of Qt was that if you wanted to sell your Qt-based product without releasing code, you had to buy Qt from Trolltec. But GPLing doesn't make much difference, you still have to release the code.
[03:00] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: only on amd64 and with 'gam_server' eating as much ram as it can.
[03:01] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: ah - try #kubuntu ?
[03:01] <tritium> maurycy, :)
[03:01] <misfit_toy> cafuego, yes it's gam_server I bet
[03:01] <Etkinson> I don't speak for myself when I say that I want to keep code for myself (I'm like 'may the code be with you')
[03:01] <dooglus> cafuego_: I've had that gam_server bug with the 386 kernel too
[03:01] <misfit_toy> cafuego, but this is a laptop, no amd64
[03:01] <DaSkreech> is there a way to convert a powerpoint presentation to flash without running it through Openoffice
[03:01] <dooglus> misfit_toy: what process it at the top of 'top's list?
[03:02] <Chazman> I am such a n00b in this OS
[03:02] <misfit_toy> dooglus, it's not happening right now, it did earlier, but the top of top's list was changing, there was no cpu hog listed
[03:02] <misfit_toy> it's like even top doesn't know what the process is
[03:02] <cafuego_> Chazman: You're not running gen*, this is the biggest step forward you'll ever make
[03:02] <dooglus> misfit_toy: that is very odd.  whenever I see the CPU maxed out, it's either the gamin bug or the grep bug
[03:02] <Chazman> =P
[03:02] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: hit '>' and sort by memory usage.
[03:03] <deadcat> anyone using wireless usb card with zd1211 driver?
[03:03] <misfit_toy> cafuego, I'll do that next time it happens, thanks
[03:03] <Chazman> The first Linux distro I ever tried to run was slackware. I don't ever plan on doing that again.
[03:03] <cafuego_> Chazman: it's not that bad. Mind you, back when I staretd it was the *only* distro ;-)
[03:04] <dooglus> cafuego_: I was running the SLS distro before slackware was announced
[03:04] <Chazman> O_o
[03:04] <Chazman> Damn
[03:04] <cafuego_> libc5 is your friend
[03:04] <Chazman> I'm just trying to get used to another OS. =P
[03:04] <cafuego_> dooglus: We didn't have PCs at that point, only 68020 macs :-(
[03:04] <aero> hi
[03:04] <Chazman> I'd probably get better much faster if I had a real reason to even use Linux right now
[03:05] <aero> ubuntu rox
[03:05] <aero> im running it now
[03:05] <aero> that's all, bye :P
[03:05] <Chazman> So far, I like Ubuntu more than any of the others I've tried
[03:05] <misfit_toy> thoreauputic, maybe I'm the only one here who knows what that is...heheh
[03:05] <cafuego_> Well, I say :-( but those macs kicked butt, with their GUI :-)
[03:05] <thoreauputic> misfit_toy: ;-)
[03:05] <dooglus> cafuego_: I was running SLS on a 486-33.
[03:05] <Chazman> I liked SuSE, but that was way too freaking big
[03:06] <misfit_toy> thoreauputic, I was clustering Vaxen back in the day
[03:06] <Chazman> I didn't get a real computer until 1998 =/
[03:06] <dooglus> http://www.slackware.com/announce/1.0.php is the slackware announcement
[03:06] <cafuego_> dooglus: At uni we had labs full of Macs, not intel boxen. We ran a BSD variety called MachTen concurrently under MacOS
[03:06] <dooglus> wasn't linux intel only in those days?
[03:07] <misfit_toy> VAX was still a great super mini
[03:07] <misfit_toy> oops, was/is
[03:07] <cafuego_> dooglus: By the time they got PCs, they were DX2/66-es, which we plonked SLack on, to run a distributed NFS farm as warez server :-)
[03:07] <misfit_toy> I know of some that haven't rebooted in over 10 years
[03:07] <cafuego_> dooglus: yep
[03:07] <misfit_toy> of course then M$ stole Dave Cutler away from Digital and VMS died and NT was born
[03:07] <afaik> VAX was a vaccume cleaner
[03:07] <Chazman> Aw, Warez is wrong. You should NEVER illegally download applications *quietly hides the huge mountain of CDs next to his computer*

[03:07] <Chazman> =P
[03:07] <afaik> written by M$
[03:08] <dooglus> the first time I ever saw the word 'UNIX' was in a VAX manual
[03:08] <afaik> er, build by M$
[03:08] <misfit_toy> dooglus, :)
[03:08] <afaik> The first time I eer saw the word UNIX was in the Micrsoft Unix System Adminstrator's handbook
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[03:08] <dooglus> I didn't know what it meant, of course.  It was some mysterious alternative to VMS
[03:08] <misfit_toy> my old ex job has a VAX that hasn't been rebooted since I left 9 years ago.
[03:08] <Carpe_Libertatem> I have a question. Is there a way I can see the outgoing ports that are open in Ubuntu?
[03:08] <afaik> it was called "The Blue Book" by the hacker/phreaker communities
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem:netstat -a
[03:09] <Chazman> Microsoft UNIX. There's something you'll never see today
[03:09] <Carpe_Libertatem> HrdwrBoB: doesn't that only show ports that are in use?
[03:09] <afaik> which then went own to use what they learned from the blue book to inent the company the GNU
[03:09] <afaik> and they made a killing from the initial stock offering and retired
[03:09] <afaik> er, IPO
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: er
[03:09] <misfit_toy> Carpe_Libertatem, you mean you want to scan your system and see what ports are open?
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: outgoing ports are only open if they are in use
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> do you mean incoming?
[03:10] <Carpe_Libertatem> misfit_toy: Yes, for outgoing connections, ie, which ports I can connect to on other machines.
[03:10] <Chazman> eek. I need to firewall this machine
[03:10] <afaik> Microsoft UNIX was well known and well respected for it's customibility... usually the user would get so frustrated they'd tape a fax paper over their monitor and redraw their desktop as they saw fit
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: there is no 'firewall'
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: you can connect to anything
[03:10] <cafuego_> Chazman: Yes, but then again, we were poor students and couldn't afford anything back in '94 ;-)
[03:10] <Carpe_Libertatem> HrdwrBoB: There is on these machines :-P
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: well them you have added it
[03:11] <misfit_toy> Carpe_Libertatem, iptraf is a good tool to look at network traffic/ports/etc...
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> and by the same token you should be able to view it
[03:11] <Chazman> cafuego: Well, thanks to Bush, that still applies today. =P
[03:11] <Carpe_Libertatem> HrdwrBoB: I didn't, someone else did. :-P
[03:11] <afaik> Microsoft Unix was well know for the secure built in firewall and it's inability to be infected by viruses, long a problem with the more widely used OS of the time called Linux
[03:11] <robertj> is fuse in the breezy kernel?
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: then talk to them
[03:11] <Carpe_Libertatem> misfit_toy: iptraf, eh? That can scan ports that can potentially be used even if they're not in use?
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: no, it can't
[03:12] <misfit_toy> Carpe_Libertatem, it does a ton of stuff, I can't recall what though
[03:12] <cafuego_> Chazman: yes, I have a slightly different view on it myself. I find try-before-you-buy or warez-for-non-commercial use acceptable.
[03:12] <afaik> Linux finally went under though in 1988 when Linux Incorporated was forced to close it's doors over large debts, bankruptcy, and accusations of scheming plots by its top management
[03:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> HrdwrBoB: Is there an program that can?
[03:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> any*
[03:12] <misfit_toy> Carpe_Libertatem, you should hit the gibson research page and have it scan you
[03:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> misfit_toy: that will scan for incoming ports
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: you really don't understand what you are playing with
[03:12] <afaik> Although these days some say linux is coming back, distributed through may pirated copies transmitted over warez channels
[03:12] <dooglus> robertj: $ grep CONFIG_FUSE /boot/config-2.6.12-9-686
[03:12] <dooglus> CONFIG_FUSE=m
[03:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> HrdwrBoB: I don't?
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: you need to do more research on how connections work
[03:12] <Chazman> cafuego_: I was just messing with you =P I don't mind warez at all for try-before-you-buy purposes. In some cases I just don't mind warez at all.
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: in order to make a connection on a port externally there has to be something listening
[03:13] <Carpe_Libertatem> HrdwrBoB: Right.
[03:13] <dooglus> robertj: I guess that's a "yes, as a module"
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> you can't magically tell what ports or services have been firewalled
[03:13] <afaik> Chazman, warez the warez, d00dz?
[03:13] <Chazman> lawl
[03:13] <misfit_toy> Carpe_Libertatem, https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> because the firewall can do *anything* it wants to your packets
[03:13] <robertj> dooglus: is the modue packagd?
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> though you most likely want 'nmap'
[03:13] <cafuego_> Chazman: I have an issue with epope, using warez to make a living. notable exception being WIndows. Such shit shouldn't be paid for ;-)
[03:13] <afaik> I suffered 3rd degree burns from my  firewall... let the user beware
[03:13] <Chazman> <3
[03:14] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ok, I guess I'll have to setup a machine with a huge range of ports open.
[03:14] <misfit_toy> HrdwrBoB, I wasn't going to throw nmap to someone that doesn't know what they're doing, but oh well! lol
[03:14] <Chazman> I don't support buying Microsoft products or anything backed by the MP/RIAA
[03:14] <Chazman> If you want it that badly, pirate it. Just don't support them
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: that's *not* the way to do it
[03:14] <misfit_toy> sheesh
[03:14] <Carpe_Libertatem> Why not?
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> Carpe_Libertatem: you really need to understand what you're doing