[17:00] <stgraber> would be great if an archive admin could reject the older lxc 0.7.5-3ubuntu55 from the queue as it's superseded by the upload above
[17:13] <pitti> stgraber: done
[17:13] <stgraber> pitti: thanks


[00:04] <veebers> balloons: fyi for your bug you filed, I've filed this against python3-xlib: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-xlib/+bug/1432889
[00:05] <veebers> ubuntu-qa: anyone know who to talk to re: looking at tha above bug? ^^
[00:11] <ToyKeeper> Hmm, weird.  Has been ages since I used pyxlib.
[00:12] <ToyKeeper> I think the last time was when I wrote something to type in my 2fa codes for me.
[01:05] <elopio> ping veebers. I need to go to the gym, and bbl.
[01:06] <elopio> but I made a quick hack to get started.
[01:06] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ota-tests/break_testbed/+merge/253137
[01:07] <elopio> I think that changing the revert command is not the right way to do it, but so far I haven't found a different way to do it.
[01:09] <veebers> elopio: ack, I'll take a look in a little bit. Enjoy the gym, feel the burn :-)
[04:18] <veebers> elopio: you're not back are you?
[04:18] <elopio> veebers: I am.
[04:20] <veebers> elopio: nice, so I'm looking at your link for break_testbed. Trying to try some things out. Is there a way to nicely get adt-run to use the version of adb-reboot-to-recovery script?
[04:20] <veebers> i.e. I'm getting 'don't have the revert-full-system' capability etc. Just want to tinker a little bit
[04:20] <elopio> veebers: /home/elopio/workspace/canonical/autopkgtest/run-from-checkout -d -s -B --unbuilt-tree=. --output-dir /tmp/output --- ssh -s ./adb-reboot-to-recovery
[04:20] <veebers> elopio: ah of course
[04:21] <veebers> the -s arg just melded into the background for me :-)
[04:21] <elopio> that's what I'm using. You probably won't need the run-from-checkout, that's to use the unreleased adt-run version.
[04:21] <veebers> ack
[04:21] <veebers> elopio: thanks
[04:21] <elopio> veebers: np. I'm starting to give it a try here.
[04:22] <veebers> elopio: coolio, I wanted to try a couple of things out to get an understanding of the code and how adt-run works before making suggestions
[04:24] <elopio> veebers: that would be awesome. Without martin, I'm getting lost on the code.
[04:25] <elopio> veebers: is there something I can do in my morning tomorrow about the autopilot failures?
[04:26] <veebers> elopio: I'm about to fire off an email to the team, but I err we need to find out who to ping re: the bug that I filed.
[04:26] <veebers> elopio: this bug here: python3-xlib: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-xlib/+bug/1432889
[04:26] <elopio> veebers: I see the last people to touch that package were pitti and mdeslauries
[04:26] <veebers> elopio: right, I saw pitti but didn't dig deeper yet
[04:26] <veebers> elopio: re: the adt-run code it can be very easy to get lost in.
[04:30] <veebers> elopio: re: bug is this the same person? https://launchpad.net/~mdeslaur
[04:31] <elopio> veebers: yes, him.
[04:31] <elopio> I can ping him tomorrow morning to see if he has a clue of who can help us with that.
[04:31] <elopio> I read the python-xlib code and also got lost.
[04:31] <veebers> elopio: awesome thank you. I probably should have tried earlier this morning
[04:32] <elopio> veebers: you did a good bunch of things. I only retried the jenkins run :)
[04:32] <veebers> elopio: heh, I set a break point followed it down until it errored, did that a couple of times to pinpoint it
[04:32] <veebers> then I realise it's setting up a request to the x server and then it's not obvious from that point :-P Hence the bug
[04:32] <elopio> veebers: I've just pushed a new rev to my break_testbed branch, with a wait_booted that it wwas missing.
[04:33] <veebers> I don't know if the fix will be in that package as it doesn't look like python3-xlib has changed, more than likely something underneath it
[04:33] <veebers> elopio: ah cool, I'm not to sure if I triggered it properly. How do you get the stdout of the ssh script to come to screen? I only see the output of adt-run
[04:35] <elopio> veebers: I'm not sure what you are looking for. I'm running with:
[04:35] <elopio> /home/elopio/workspace/canonical/autopkgtest/run-from-checkout -d -s -B --unbuilt-tree=. --output-dir /tmp/output --- ssh -s ./adb-reboot-to-recovery
[04:35] <elopio> and I get a whole lot of stuff.
[04:35] <elopio> if you put a print in the adb-reboot-to-recovery, I think it should be printed.
[04:36] <veebers> do you get details from adb-reboot-to-recovery? I'll try again, but I see heaps of output, none from that script
[04:36] <elopio> I see things like this:
[04:36] <elopio> adt-run: DBG: sending command to testbed: revert
[04:36] <elopio> Performing factory reset, this will take a minute...
[04:37] <elopio> I think it's being executed also after the selftests, which is wrong.
[04:37] <veebers> hmm
[04:38] <veebers> elopio: Oh I have family dinner in a bit. If I don't get around to mentioning it I think that what you have suggested is fine for a first run (It might be all we can do) but I don't think we can rely on --revision=-1 as we may have changed how many revisions we're at
[04:39] <veebers> so I perhaps an envvar set by the wrapper script to inform what revision the device was flashed at initially
[04:39] <elopio> veebers: right, this was just a quick hack.
[04:40] <elopio> it sounded hard to get the current version from the phone and pass it to the adb script, so I just didn't do it this evening :)
[04:43] <veebers> ^_^
[04:44] <veebers> elopio: if you wanted to query the device for the revision you would have to do it before any test was run as it would change to anything from that point onwards
[04:46] <veebers> also, current revno: adb shell system-image-cli -i | grep "current build number"| sed -e "s/.*:\ //" | tr -d '\r'
[04:49] <elopio> veebers: yes. And we can write that info to a file, like we do with the reboot target.
[04:50] <elopio> veebers: we'll also need the channel.
[04:52] <elopio> I think that's the downside to this approach. With your branch, we just need to reexecute the command that flased the phone initially.
[04:53] <elopio> I'm reading something interesting on the source code. If we pass a setup command, it is reexecuted before the revert.
[04:53] <veebers> true. Well, at least we have 2 possible work-arounds at this stage :-)
[04:53] <elopio> or that's what it seems.
[04:53] <veebers> oh?
[04:53] <veebers> heh
[04:54] <elopio> so if the setup command is ubuntu-device-flash, it might do what we want.
[04:54] <elopio> I'll give that a try tomorrow.
[04:55] <veebers> elopio: if that works that'll be really cool. We'll need a way to setup the setup command properly with, as you say, rev and channel
[04:58] <elopio> veebers: no, scratch that. The setup commands are run in the testbed.
[04:59] <veebers> ah, ugh. Worth a try though
[05:13] <veebers> elopio: right, I'm off for the night, have a good one :-)
[13:41] <nuclearbob> elopio: where do I need the -B? the python3 -m command line, or adt-run, or somewhere else?
[13:51] <nuclearbob> ubuntu-qa: elopio suggested my build failure meant I need to add -B, but I'm not sure where. adt-run? python3 -m ubuntu_sanity_tests.command_line?
[13:52] <rhuddie> nuclearbob, I believe that would be to adt-run, e.g. adt-run -B --unbuilt-tree=. --- ssh -s adb
[14:00] <nuclearbob> rhuddie: thanks, I'll try that
[14:15] <elopio> good morning.
[14:24] <nuclearbob> ubuntu-qa: I want to run a test that involves rebooting a phone, performing some actions, disconnecting the phone, waiting a while, reconnecting, then doing the whole process again. Is there a way to express all of this as an adt test, or do I need to just use adt for the actions on the phone and use a wrapper for everything else?
[14:34] <rhuddie> nuclearbob, adt-run tests run on the testbed, but it has --setup-commands option which may be useful to you
[14:36] <rhuddie> nuclearbob, you could also look at our sanity suite which is launched through a call to python, which does setup and cleanup actions, then calls adt-run itself: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu_sanity_tests/command_line.py
[14:38] <rhuddie> nuclearbob, also, the reboot support for adt-run is at the bottom of this page: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/tree/doc/README.package-tests.rst
[14:50] <nuclearbob> rhuddie: awesome, thanks. I was looking for a test in the sanity suite which includes a reboot, but my grep-fu is failing. Do you know of one I can look at?
[14:56] <rhuddie> nuclearbob, there aren't any in sanity that reboot, but ubuntu-ota-tests is using it. see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ota-tests/trunk/view/head:/debian/tests/ubuntu_ota_tests/hooks.py
[14:56] <nuclearbob> rhuddie: great, I'll look at that. Thanks!
[15:01] <nuclearbob> rhuddie: I think since I'm rebooting as part of actions that are external to adt, I don't need to use the adt reboot logic, and I can handle that in my python wrapping stuff. If you or someone else on ubuntu-qa disagrees, we can discuss it further, but I think this is all I need to implement what I'm working on. Thanks!
[15:02] <rhuddie> nuclearbob, no prob, sounds sensible to me
[15:04] <elopio> rhuddie: It's not clear if your last comment on apply-update was an approval.
[15:12] <rhuddie> elopio, there was one other comment about adding the timeout parameter for apply_update() method
[15:12] <rhuddie> fgimenez, what do you think about adding the timeout parameter to apply_update() ?
[15:14] <fgimenez> rhuddie, i'm not sure if we need it, if it's a noop it will be very fast, if it has to actually apply the upgrade, how much should the timeout be?
[15:18] <rhuddie> fgimenez, the default is 600 seconds, but I see it can be over-ridden using $SYSTEMIMAGE_REACTOR_TIMEOUT. This would just be another way to specify a custom timeout.
[15:21] <rhuddie> fgimenez, I did something similar with the download test here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ota-tests/wait-for-download/view/head:/debian/tests/ubuntu_ota_tests/services.py#L164
[15:22] <rhuddie> fgimenez, but I agree for this case it should complete quickly so not a big issue
[15:24] <fgimenez> rhuddie, anyway it doesn't hurt to have one, is 60 seconds enough as the timeout value for applying the update?
[15:26] <rhuddie> fgimenez, I would say that is fairly short for an update, perhaps 3 mins? At least by having it as a parameter to apply_update() it can be easily specified by the caller.
[15:30] <fgimenez> rhuddie, ok, done
[15:30] <rhuddie> fgimenez, thanks :)
[15:31] <fgimenez> rhuddie, ty! :)
[15:50] <elopio> fgimenez: I'm having a problem with the noop test: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10615956/
[15:50] <elopio> running on the phone.
[15:51] <fgimenez> elopio, you have the latest source right?
[15:54] <fgimenez> i'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/10615969/ ...
[15:56] <fgimenez> elopio, that timeout exception may be raised because of the latest changes, does it take too long (~3min) when executing test_apply_update_noop?
[16:26] <rhuddie> fgimenez, that was the issue I had when running that test previously. It was timing out, but previously it was a 10 min timeout.
[16:27] <elopio> fgimenez: yes, it takes 3 minutes before failing.
[16:27] <elopio> I have an old revision, so can it be that the cancel is not working?
[16:28] <fgimenez> elopio maybe, i haven't been able to see it after reflashing, perhaps some of the status is being kept
[16:29] <elopio> fgimenez: can you try with an old version?
[16:30] <fgimenez> elopio, of the code you mean?
[16:32] <fgimenez> elopio, the only change in the code has been adding the timeout as a parameter, rhuddie was getting the error after the default timeout before this change
[16:34] <fgimenez> elopio, if you reflash all goes good, it seems that somehow the testbed reaches a state in which ApplyUpdate times out...
[17:00] <elopio> fgimenez: sorry, In a meeting.
[17:00] <elopio> it passed now: test_apply_update_noop (ubuntu_ota_tests.selftests.test_services.ServicesTestCase) ... ok
[17:01] <fgimenez> elopio, np, i'm trying to run it with an update already downloaded
[17:03] <fgimenez> elopio, in that case the update is applied, the selftest crashes with BrokenPipeError because of the reboot, but no timeout
[17:05] <fgimenez> elopio, another scenario could be calling ApplyUpdate while downloading, but CancelUpdate should do its work in that case
[19:24] <elopio> barry: I'm almost sure I'm doing something stupid in here: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ota-tests/dbus-upgrade/+merge/253265
[19:24] <elopio> can you please take a look?
[20:06] <barry> elopio: do you still want me to look at your dbus-upgrade branch?
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[20:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, have you got 2 min to take a look at a bug report on rssreader app, just to see if you have idea what the problem could be?
[20:36] <balloons> Letozaf_, link?
[20:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rssreader-app/+bug/1431365
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe just a hint :)
[20:37] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh.. it's creating a topic in a non-clean env
[20:38] <balloons> I think the workaround popey suggested is sufficent. Generate a unique random topic name (based on datetime; uuid, something) and you can avoid it
[20:38] <balloons> Though you will build up topics ;-)
[20:39] <balloons> so fixing the test should be as simple as making the topic non-hardcoded
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks I will try, but the weired thing is that on my desktop the tests do not fail and also on Jenkins
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, shouldn't they fail also there ?
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/just_for_test/+merge/253122
[20:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, not neccassarily
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks :)
[20:42] <barry> veebers: you wanted to pair on refactoring the code into a native debian package?  when is a good time for you?
[20:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-) It should still pass after you finish your mp, heh, but should work in CI then too :-)
[20:44] <Letozaf_> :)
[20:47] <veebers> barry: When suits you? I can go make a coffee now and be free for an hour or two
[20:48] <barry> veebers: sure, let's connect on the hour.  i have 1h until eod, but i think i can go longer today if needed
[20:49] <veebers> barry: sounds good
[21:00] <veebers> elopio: hey thanks for chasing up on that bug, much appreciated
[21:01] <elopio> barry: veebers: I think that we need the package to execute the reboot to recovery with dbus.
[21:01] <elopio> that might be the problem of my branch, ubuntu_ota_tests is not on the python path so systemimage can't find the hook.
[21:01] <elopio> please push the branch when you have something working, so I can give it a try.
[21:02] <elopio> veebers: all your gratitude should go to mdeslaur. It took only a couple of minutes of my life, he did the rest.
[21:02] <veebers> elopio: ack, will thank him for the fix
[21:03] <veebers> elopio: I don't understand your comment re: reboot with dbus, what's this in relation to?
[21:04] <elopio> veebers: look at l104 of the diff:
[21:04] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ota-tests/dbus-upgrade/+merge/253265
[21:05] <barry> elopio: that makes sense
[21:05] <elopio> for systemimage to find ubuntu_ota_tests, it must be in the pythonpath.
[21:06] <elopio> barry: however, I'm not sure if that's the only problem. This is what I'm seeing:
[21:06] <elopio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10617492/
[21:06] <barry> and the best way for it to be on sys.path is to be installed as a python3 package :)
[21:06] <elopio> and the test times out after three minutes.
[21:06] <barry> elopio: i was just testing your branch on my device and i also see the timeouts
[21:07] <veebers> elopio: ah, that's clearer
[21:08] <elopio> anyway, I need to have lunch and take a break.
[21:08] <barry> cool.  veebers, i'm ready when you are
[21:08] <elopio> if I'm lucky, you will have the package ready and that will magically fix the update :)
[21:12] <veebers> barry: sweet, should we hangout?
[21:12] <barry> veebers: sure
[21:12] <veebers> barry: lets reuse the standup
[21:13] <veebers> barry: one sec mic issues
[21:14] <barry> veebers: https://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide
[21:19] <barry> veebers: lp:~barry/ubuntu-ota-tests/packaging
[21:40] <veebers> wth, all of a sudden cats make a huge ruckus running about etc. I go through to the lounge and they're just sitting there on the couch like nothing has happened :-\
[21:41] <barry> veebers: we have to rename the debian/tests scripts.  see r13
[21:41] <veebers> ack
[21:43] <barry> veebers: r14 is lintian source and binary happy
[21:55] <veebers> barry: nice. So the @ doesn't seem to be needed unless I'm missing something. I can update the selftest so that it will work (was making assumptions on location) and it runs
[21:55] <barry> veebers: nice
[21:57] <veebers> barry: actually if I do put the @ there it errors, can't find python3-ubuntu-ota-tests:armhf
[21:58] <barry> veebers: did adt-run build the package?
[21:58] <barry> it'll have to build it and install it on the device i think
[21:59] <veebers> yeah right, no it states that build not needed. Perhaps I'm passing the wrong args to adt-run
[21:59] <veebers> ah I think  I am, one sec
[22:03] <veebers> barry: so I'm a little confused. So it appears to work without @ as I'm presume it copies the directory across. Using @ (and not using -B arg) it attempts to build the binaries, but fails when it 404s trying to satisfy deps for building.
[22:03] <veebers> so, do we need @ or are we ok with just whatever it's doing without it
[22:04] <barry> veebers: gosh, i'm not sure.  can you push your branch so i can try it here?
[22:05] <veebers> barry: heh, well my branch consists of removing a bunch of stuff so that only one test will run, I'll push it anyway :-)
[22:07] <veebers> barry: branch here: lp:~veebers/+junk/running-adt-ota
[22:07]  * barry tries
[22:08] <barry> veebers: what adt command are you using?
[22:08] <veebers> barry: ah sorry distracted, one mo
[22:09] <veebers> barry: this one triggers the build attempt: 'adt-run --unbuilt-tree=. --- ssh -s adb' adding -B doesn't: 'adt-run -B --unbuilt-tree=. --- ssh -s adb'
[22:10] <barry> veebers: cool, trying it
[22:15] <barry> veebers: so, with @ and no -B, i get ImportError complatining about ubuntu_ota_tests.selftests.  is that what you get?
[22:15] <barry> *complaining
[22:17] <veebers> barry: no with @ and no -B I get.. wait, let me dbl check
[22:19] <veebers> barry: It attempts to build then fails because apt is out of date. It might get further if I r/w and apt-update but I'm not sure we want to rely on that
[22:19] <barry> i thought maybe adding an explicit Depends on system-image-common would do the trick but it doesn't
[22:19] <barry> veebers: weird!
[22:20] <veebers> barry: I think this flash is a couple of days old so archive has moved on (I suspect)
[22:20]  * barry wishes unittest test's discovery wouldn't swallow the actual import error
[22:20] <veebers> so hmm, perhaps it won't be such an issue if we're expecting people to flash just before use. Although we can see that error straight after a flash too
[22:27] <veebers> barry: so after an apt update I get further but it's building the package on the device itself, which is installing a bunch of stuff and taking a while. If we're going to use the wrapper script to call this once per test this will take all day
[22:28] <barry> veebers: i think adt has a way of using already built binary packages, which would be fine in this case because we're arch-independent.  so you could build the debs once on the host and then just let adt copy those to the device
[22:30] <veebers> barry: that would be good. Any idea on how to get it to build on the host? I would have thought arch: any would be the key
[22:31] <barry> veebers: i don't think you get adt to build on the host.  just build the binary package on the host like normal and then tell adt to use the built packages.  the former is just `bzr bd -S && sbuild blah.dsc` but i forget the syntax for the latter
[22:33] <barry> veebers: it's dinner time here.  i'm going to take a break, but will try to check back a little later.  or we can rendezvous again tomorrow
[22:34] <veebers> barry: sounds good. Enjoy. I'll try start a little earlier so we can have more overlap time if needed. But don't feel you need to wait for me :-)
[22:34] <veebers> barry: thanks for the pairing
[22:34] <barry> veebers: sounds good!  cheers
[22:59] <brendand> elopio, is there a reason you defined __all__ in ubuntu_ota_tests/__init__.py?
[23:00] <brendand> elopio, unless there's a reason there's not really any need to, it just causes all modules to be loaded when you import the top level one, which is a pain
[23:03] <veebers> brendand: I think it was me that did that due to believing it was best practice
[23:05] <veebers> the idea being that the package only exporting what wee define as public. It shouldn't be too much of an issue as the modules shouldn't really do anything when loaded
[23:05] <brendand> veebers, ok - for some reason i thought elopio. bzr blame would have been worth it :)
[23:05] <veebers> But I'm not against removing the __all__ there if it is causing grief
[23:05] <brendand> veebers, well all the imports will run as a minimum
[23:06] <veebers> heh, I almost let Leo take the blame for it :-)
[23:06] <brendand> veebers, it means you need to have e.g. python3-autopilot as a dependency even if your code doesn't use it
[23:06] <veebers> yeah right, but they shouldn't be running much or any code, just definitions
[23:06] <veebers> brendand: hmm, that's a really good point
[23:06] <brendand> veebers, so unless defining __all__ enables something, i would like to remove it
[23:07] <veebers> brendand: go nuts, I can't think of anything off the top of my head that means we need it. if we do need it we can put it back, but better
[23:07] <veebers> also, as you've shown it can be a pain


[17:37] <newz2000> ok, have some news on the countdown banners including the carousel from Pierre. I'll email later on today. First I have to eat.
[17:42] <Turl> newz2000: are they the banners I helped to make?
[17:42] <newz2000> :-) You have to wait to find out
[17:43] <Turl> newz2000: are they some fancy ones with a countdown with cool effects done with mootools? :p
[17:48]  * Turl looks for the blog post in which the banners are shown
[17:50] <Turl> newz2000: did Stephane Vergeylen/Jolan Wolter/Daniel Vergeylen do them? that's the ultimate question to know
[17:50] <newz2000> I shouldn't have said anything. Sorry to get you so excited. Wait for the email. It will come in about 2 hours.
[17:51] <newz2000> :-D
[17:51] <Turl> I'm not in the mailing list newz2000 :p
[17:51] <newz2000> You have two hours to join
[17:51] <Turl> link?
[17:51] <newz2000> http://lists.ubuntu.com
[17:52] <Turl> ubuntu-website list, right?
[17:52] <newz2000> correct
[17:53] <Turl> I'm in :p
[17:54] <newz2000> OK, I'm going to get some food. Then I'll come back and tell the results.
[17:55] <Turl> ok
[21:00] <newz2000> ok, sorry but the announcement is going to have to wait until tomorrow so I can confirm some details.


[08:52] <FourDollars> Hi, I would like to make a merge proposal on https://code.launchpad.net/~fourdollars/+git/systemd/+ref/ubuntu-cosmic/+register-merge to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+git/systemd/+ref/ubuntu-cosmic, but it always shows me the error.
[09:01] <cjwatson> You can't propose a merge to a personal-namespace repository.  What's ~ubuntu-core-dev/+git/systemd doing in that namespace?
[09:01] <cjwatson> Ask the people who maintain it why it isn't in a project or package namespace (as appropriate).
[09:02] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Repository_URLs
[09:22] <FourDollars> cjwatson: OK. Thx a lot.
[09:27] <xnox> cjwatson, to be fair, if anything github taught us, is that "everything is a personal repository" and "anything can accept merge proposals" is actually ok.
[09:27] <xnox> but, history.
[09:28] <cjwatson> xnox: You can argue that all you like, but it's not compatible with the current implementation of Launchpad's merge detection algorithms
[09:29] <xnox> ack
[09:29] <cjwatson> GitHub has different information about which repositories are forked from which other repositories, which probably helps them


[05:06] <Private_User> good morning all
[05:45] <Squirm> morning
[05:47] <spekko_> Hier is n nog n spekko
[05:47] <spekko_> in die channel
[05:52]  * jabberwocky93 slaps spekko with a large trout
[05:53] <Squirm> lol
[05:53] <Squirm> jabberwocky93: I don't think spekko appreciated that :P
[05:55] <jabberwocky93> heh ^_^
[05:55] <jabberwocky93> another one bites the dust
[06:02] <Private_User> morning Squirm
[06:03] <Private_User> and morning spekko and jabberwocky93
[06:03] <jabberwocky93> morning oom Kilos?
[06:04] <Private_User> whois jabberwocky93
[06:04] <Private_User> oops sorry
[06:05] <Private_User> my mistake, oom Kilos is not around
[06:05] <Private_User> Maaz: seen Kilos
[06:05] <Maaz> Private_User: Kilos was last seen 10 hours, 35 minutes and 11 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-02-27 11:30:08 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-02-27 11:30:44 PST
[06:05] <Spekko> morning Private_User
[06:05] <jabberwocky93> yeah, thats why I thought you could be him
[06:05] <Major_User> ATEEENTION
[06:06] <jabberwocky93> morning Private_User
[06:06] <Private_User> oh yeah cause that usually Kilos line
[06:06] <Private_User> LOL
[06:06] <jabberwocky93> hehe
[06:06] <jabberwocky93> but just for the record I am I am https://launchpad.net/~willemdreyer
[06:06] <jabberwocky93> Maaz coffee on
[06:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:06] <Private_User> lol ok jabberwocky93
[06:07] <Private_User> sorry was just curious because of the nick changing
[06:08] <Major_User> Nick changing ?
[06:08] <jabberwocky93> no worries, spekko didn't know why his client joined twice so I tried to help
[06:09] <Private_User> yeah
[06:09] <Private_User> (7:59:41 AM) jabberwocky93 is now known as spekko
[06:09] <Private_User> (8:03:09 AM) spekko is now known as jabberwocky93
[06:09] <Private_User> 8:03:11 AM) spekko_ is now known as Spekko
[06:09] <jabberwocky93> Major_User: I changed my nick earlier to spekko just after he quit, suspicious acivity
[06:10] <jabberwocky93> Maaz: seen highvoltage
[06:10] <Maaz> jabberwocky93: highvoltage was last seen 1 month, 4 days, 12 hours, 22 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-01-24 09:47:33 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-01-26 10:49:54 PST
[06:10] <Major_User> jabberwocky93 who authorised this nick change !?
[06:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for jabberwocky93!
[06:11] <jabberwocky93> thanks Maaz
[06:11] <jabberwocky93> Major_User: spekko asked me
[06:11] <Spekko> wooops
[06:11]  * jabberwocky93 slaps spekko with a large trout
[06:11]  * jabberwocky93 slaps spekko with a large trout
[06:11] <Private_User> Major_User: Salute :|
[06:11]  * Spekko torlolololol ol ololol lalalalaaaaaa
[06:12] <Major_User> Private_User at ease...
[06:12] <Private_User> :D
[06:12] <jabberwocky93> spekko is new to IRC
[06:12] <jabberwocky93> I think he needs to find out what a kline is used for
[06:13] <jabberwocky93> ^_^
[06:13] <Spekko> I see..
[06:13] <Spekko> Naah it's cool
[06:14] <Spekko> I can take a hit.
[06:14] <Private_User> lol @ jabberwocky93 I was klined the other day from Freenode, apparently I had some sort of coin client using IRC as a bootstrap or something
[06:14] <Private_User> but I have no idea what they speaking about
[06:15] <Private_User> they unbanned me and no issues since
[06:15] <Private_User> so Spekko, how come you new to IRC?
[06:16] <Spekko> Private_User I'm not new to IRC, jabebrwocky and I have just been friends for so long, that there's nothing left but hatred and insults.
[06:17] <Private_User> LOL
[06:19]  * inetpro gets confused with all the nick changes
[06:19] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:21] <jabberwocky93> Spekko is really ugly and stupid so he at lest makes it easy for me
[06:21] <jabberwocky93> coin client wow that sounds dodge, never read about that before
[06:21] <jabberwocky93> morning inetpro :
[06:25] <Spekko> whut?
[06:25] <Spekko> I'm pretty
[06:25] <Private_User> good morning inetpro
[06:25] <Spekko> okay
[06:26] <Spekko> jabberwocky93 is a meani, and he's a bully... shun him.
[06:26] <Spekko> shuuuun him
[06:26] <Private_User> inetpro: mee too so hence my reason for the whois mistake above
[06:27] <Private_User> brb
[06:33] <Spekko> Let's just keep things dynamic
[06:49] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:49] <Kilos> Maaz hi
[06:49] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[06:49] <inetpro> wb Kilos and hi
[06:49] <Kilos> morning inetpro and others
[06:49] <Kilos> konversation takes so long to show who is here
[06:50] <inetpro> are we building a christmas tree with our words growing longer and longer?
[06:50] <Kilos> huh?
[06:51] <inetpro> toemaar
[06:51] <inetpro> :-)
[06:51] <Kilos> shup
[06:51] <inetpro> ai!
[06:51] <Kilos> Maaz shup
[06:51] <Maaz> Shup yourself oh noisy one
[06:51] <Kilos> gaan dit goed boetie?
[06:51] <inetpro> goed en self
[06:51] <Kilos> goed dankie
[06:52] <Kilos> 7 het my kde gedooi
[06:52] <Kilos> grub>
[06:52] <Kilos> grrr
[06:53] <Kilos> hey plustwo you still alive?
[07:43] <Private_User> sup Kilos
[07:43] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[07:45] <Private_User> people missed you this morning, I think, mistook me for you, since I stole your line again...
[07:45] <Private_User> lol
[07:45] <Private_User> :D
[07:45] <Kilos> haha
[07:45] <Kilos> i was struggling with my kde. win7 killed the boot part
[07:46] <Private_User> why and how did it do that?
[07:47] <Kilos> was trying to run the win drive with the kde drive not like here and win
[07:47] <Kilos> this is a 64bit 12.04 and sees win7 fine
[07:47] <Kilos> the 32bit kde didnt
[07:51] <Kilos> can only fix it tomorrow when i put new data bundle
[07:51] <Private_User> its already the new month, damn time is flying by
[07:52] <Kilos> yip we get old fast
[07:53] <jabberwocky93> morning Kilos
[07:53] <Kilos> hi jabberwocky93
[07:53] <Kilos> Spekko came with you hey?
[07:54] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy :-)
[07:56] <jabberwocky93> yeah
[07:56] <Kilos> cool ill member that now
[07:58] <Spekko> hmm ?
[07:58] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[07:58] <Spekko> hello Kilos
[07:58] <jabberwocky93> question was directed at me
[07:58] <Kilos> lol
[07:58] <Spekko> is there maybe a command on Linux, that I can type in, that gives idiots siezures?
[07:59] <Spekko> Like targeted specifically at people with an I.Q lower than 100
[07:59] <Spekko> $ sudo sieze -min 100
[07:59] <Spekko> or something
[07:59] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:59] <charl_> good morning
[07:59] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:59]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:00] <Kilos> hi charl_
[08:00] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[08:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:01] <charl_> hi Kilos
[08:01] <charl_> i'm busy testing trusty right now but it's a disaster
[08:01] <charl_> they have a lot to fix up in the next two months
[08:01] <charl_> i am a bit surprised considering that it's an LTS release
[08:01] <charl_> i have a feeling canonical is trying to push too many features instead of focusing on stability and reliablity
[08:02] <Kilos> it will be fix in time
[08:02] <charl_> the latter of course being two things that gnu/linux has always been known for
[08:02] <Kilos> i want the new kubuntu
[08:02] <charl_> well i hope so but right now it's looking pretty bad
[08:02] <charl_> you could probably just install the kubuntu-desktop package on it... maybe i will try it
[08:03] <Kilos> there is a channel where you can watch them doing the fixing i think
[08:03] <charl_> some development channel ?
[08:03] <Kilos> i want to try keep kde pure
[08:03] <Kilos> ya
[08:03] <Kilos> i forget what it was called
[08:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[08:03] <charl_> well there are at least 200 mb of updates in a single day
[08:03] <Kilos> maybe #ubuntu-dev
[08:03] <charl_> i guess they are actively busy
[08:04] <charl_> no that isn't it, they only have one person there
[08:04] <Kilos> they rev the last week
[08:04] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[08:04] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[08:04] <Kilos> oh my
[08:04] <Kilos> ask the weed he will know
[08:04] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[08:04] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:04] <charl_> i have an irritating bug that i want fixed
[08:05] <Kilos> or ask deve
[08:05] <charl_> i use bitlbee with libpurple and sipe
[08:05] <charl_> the version of sipe on debian stable is constantly trying to connect to some group chat user that doesn't exist on my domain
[08:05] <charl_> i am hoping it is fixed in the new version, so i want to check on trusty
[08:06] <Kilos> you got the daily build thing
[08:06] <Kilos> ?
[08:06] <charl_> yes
[08:06] <Kilos> then make bug reports and theyll sort it
[08:06] <charl_> yeah that's the idea
[08:07] <charl_> i got i3 running under trusty now and it seems to be working great
[08:07] <charl_> unity is not at all usable
[08:07] <charl_> i am busy installing kubuntu-desktop now
[08:07] <Kilos> i think they rely on bug reports to let everyone help find the bugs
[08:07] <charl_> that's not a bad thing, that's why i'm testing now
[08:08] <charl_> if this bug of mine isn't fixed i want to submit it under launchpad
[08:08] <charl_> and hope it gets in before the release
[08:08] <Kilos> drussell am i right?
[08:08] <Kilos> all bug reports go there i think
[08:08] <charl_> yes
[08:08] <Kilos> there is a certain way of reporting bugs
[08:08] <Kilos> auto thing
[08:09] <charl_> yeah i don't like using that, it collects data from my machine and sends that
[08:09] <charl_> i don't know how much it sends or what it sends
[08:09] <charl_> for all that i know it could be sending memory dumps containing passwords and other crap
[08:09] <Kilos> thats what they need to see whats causing the bug man
[08:09] <Kilos> no they not crooks
[08:10] <charl_> well i'm a programmer myself and i'm doubtful about how good those automated tools can be
[08:10] <charl_> but then again i mostly work in java and java has this thing called stack traces
[08:10] <Kilos> they helped me lekker with 12.04 and the nm bug
[08:10] <charl_> that's generally quite safe and good to send
[08:10] <charl_> the nm bug ?
[08:11] <Kilos> network manager didnt auto connect once modem seen and
[08:11] <charl_> ah
[08:11] <Kilos> didnt see modem in the beginning
[08:11] <Kilos> they mailed me scripts to add
[08:12] <charl_> nice
[08:12] <Kilos> very helpful peeps
[08:12] <charl_> although, they should put all of that info on the wiki instead
[08:12] <charl_> *instead
[08:12] <charl_> then other people can also use it
[08:12] <Kilos> they then work on the fixes so it comes in next update
[08:13] <charl_> ah ok that's good
[08:13] <charl_> haha logged into kde and i get the debian background
[08:13] <charl_> they probably ported the packages over across from debian
[08:14] <charl_> kde 4.12.2 looking good
[08:14] <charl_> oxygen also looking good
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey
[08:15] <charl_> ah here's the bug i was having earlier: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1055166
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> /dev/sdb1 on /media/graeme/1TB type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[08:15] <Kilos> thats my next iso download, 64bit kubuntu
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone know where those mount options are defined, i want to add one
[08:15] <charl_> it's an old one
[08:15] <charl_> ThatGraemeGuy: sorry what? you mean fstab?
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, when i plug in a usb drive and mount it, those mount options are applied automagically
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> they must be defined somewhere
[08:16] <charl_> oh the mount options, no idea
[08:16] <Kilos> whats on the usb drive?
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> stuff
[08:17] <charl_> i don't auto mount anything
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really relevant
[08:17] <Kilos> chown it
[08:17] <Kilos> hehe
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok never mind
[08:17] <charl_> ThatGraemeGuy: what is the problem exactly?
[08:18] <charl_> Kilos: ok kde looking (very) good so far
[08:18] <Kilos> yay
[08:18] <charl_> i don't think you have anything to worry about yet
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> ntfs-3g driver has an option called big_writes, which pretty much doubles its (terribad) write performance. i want to make it so that when i click the mount button on kubuntu's device manager thingy that option is always used
[08:20] <charl_> ah ok now it's clear
[08:21] <charl_> SnowyZA wb
[08:22] <charl_> ThatGraemeGuy: i am looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[08:22] <charl_> ThatGraemeGuy: if you do it system wide it's easy to specify the mount options in fstab
[08:23] <charl_> ThatGraemeGuy: however, it is not clear to me how to do this under per-user mounts
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't want it in fstab for various reasons
[08:25] <charl_> ThatGraemeGuy: have you looked at https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/quantal/ntfs-config/ ?
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> write support is already enabled, i need to add a mount option
[08:26] <charl_> sorry should actually have linked to https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/saucy/ntfs-config/
[08:26] <charl_> thought maybe it allows you some more options but i don't see it in the description
[08:27] <charl_> sorry no idea :) i don't have any ntfs partitions here
[08:29] <Kilos> hi SCR1845-6357A
[08:29] <charl_> hi SCR1845-6357A
[08:30] <Kilos> oh ThatGraemeGuy just an idea
[08:30] <Kilos> do you have ntfsprogs installed
[08:30] <charl_> whow xubuntu is almost as much of a mess as unity
[08:31] <Kilos> i needed that to do some recoveries i think
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos:  ntfsprogs died 3 years ago
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> well not died as much as merged with ntfs-3g
[08:34] <Kilos> its still in 12.04
[08:34] <Kilos> aha ty
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> 12.04 is ancient
[08:34] <Kilos> me too man
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyway the problem isn't that i can't mount it
[08:36] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: you could create a shortcut on your desktop with the correct mount command?
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah seems like i have to do something backwards like that
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> udisks2 is handling the underlying mount operation and apparently it provides no way to adjust mount options
[08:39] <charl_> i have to get on with work.. ttyl all
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'd have to hack the source and recompile it, pretty braindead
[08:41] <SCR1845-6357A> hey hello Kilos and charl_
[08:41] <SCR1845-6357A> and everyone else as well
[08:43] <nuvolari_> oh hi serial
[08:44] <Kilos> hi nuvolari_
[08:44] <nuvolari_> hi oom Kilos
[08:44] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: just a shell script will solve your issues
[08:44] <Squirm> or fstab, which you don't want
[08:45] <nuvolari_> oh hi ThatGraemeGuy, ChanServ, ChanServ
[08:45] <nuvolari_> hrr
[08:45] <nuvolari_> oh, hes not here
[08:45] <nuvolari_> and Squirm
[08:48] <Squirm> hi there nuvolari_
[09:03] <magespawn> good day all
[09:03] <Private_User> hey bduk are you using Thunderbird to connect?
[09:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn age
[09:07] <Kilos> oh my
[09:08] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[09:11] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[09:11] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[09:52] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_ you see we meet on a tuesday now
[09:52] <Kilos> monday was your beer night hey?
[10:22] <SCR1845-6357A> the first thing i'm gonna do when I visit kaapstad, is to enjoy a very big glass of cold beer
[10:22] <Kilos> lol
[10:22] <Kilos> thats the wine province
[10:23] <SCR1845-6357A> nevermind, they'll happy to serve me beer
[10:23] <Kilos> drinkers reckon our beers are better than the rest of the worlds
[10:23] <Kilos> i think it tastes yucky
[10:24] <Kilos> have to kill the taste with a large bottle of lemonade
[10:25] <SCR1845-6357A> that's what happen when you have too much of a good thing, everything else end up sucking off
[10:26] <Kilos> lol
[10:58] <magespawn> back aagain
[10:59] <Golynx> hello
[14:43] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn did you sneak in or was i sleeping
[14:44] <GnikLlort> Hello rsa!
[14:47] <SCR1845-6357A> oh africa... if it were not that violent..
[14:48] <SCR1845-6357A> I would readily move there
[14:49] <Kilos> hi GnikLlort
[14:49] <Kilos> where are you from?
[14:49] <GnikLlort> George
[14:50] <Kilos> george in the cape?
[14:50] <GnikLlort> yea
[14:50] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:50] <GnikLlort> thanks :D
[14:51] <Kilos> if you need linux help state your problem and park off till someone sees it that knows the fix
[14:51] <GnikLlort> ok will do
[14:52] <Kilos> have some coffee in the meantime
[14:52] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[14:52]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:53] <GnikLlort> lol thanks
[14:53] <Kilos> just ask the bot coffee please
[14:53] <jabberwocky93> Maaz: coffee please
[14:53] <Maaz> jabberwocky93: Done
[14:53] <jabberwocky93> woot!
[14:54]  * jabberwocky93 looking forward to leave to office
[14:55] <Kilos> yeah well jabberwocky93 dont get lost for 6 months again
[14:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and jabberwocky93!
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz gracias amigo
[14:56] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[14:58] <Private_User> Maaz: Give the newcomer a cup of coffee
[14:58] <Maaz> Private_User: Excuse me?
[14:58] <Private_User> lol
[14:58] <jabberwocky93> lol
[14:58] <Kilos> aw i forgot
[14:59] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[14:59]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[14:59] <jabberwocky93> Kilos, I will try not to ^_^
[14:59] <Kilos> Maaz coffee for all
[14:59] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[14:59] <jabberwocky93> Maaz will you drive me home?
[15:00] <Kilos> hmm... he laggin too looks like
[15:00]  * jabberwocky93 thinks Maaz doesn't like driving, must be a pilot
[15:01] <Kilos> hehe
[15:02] <Private_User> man this channel is getting busier by the day...I like it :)
[15:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:09] <Private_User> hmm... everybody so quite all of a sudden
[15:13] <Kilos> quiet
[15:13] <Kilos> they all going home
[15:14] <Private_User> ah ok, I guess we the only luck ones here we work from home :)
[15:14] <Private_User> *lucky
[15:14] <Kilos> yeah
[15:15] <Kilos> hey you need to sort that desktop out
[15:15] <Private_User> yeah I need to get off my butt one day go the garage to blow the dust out
[15:15] <Kilos> lol
[15:16] <Private_User> wish I could find a home solution to clean it
[15:16] <Private_User> without having a compressed air
[15:17] <Kilos> they say vacuum cleaners cause static but i been thinking how come compressed air doesnt as well then
[15:18] <Kilos> a good vacuum through a thin pipe will suck up lots
[15:18] <Private_User> hmm... maybe I will try that
[15:19] <Private_User> well I have read that you could use it but static might be an issue just not too close
[15:19] <Private_User> and one should be fine
[15:20] <Kilos> im not clever enough to understand how vacuuming will cause static but blowing wont
[15:22] <Kilos> surely both are just movement of air?
[15:25] <Private_User> just googled it and seems to be mixed responses
[15:25] <Private_User> some say they use it others say it may cause static
[15:26] <Private_User> some say they use it cause blowing air can push the dust further into places you don't want it to go
[15:27] <Kilos> haha
[15:27] <Private_User> so I am gonna try it
[15:27] <Kilos> the pressure out of a good compressor blows everything out of every little hole
[15:28] <Private_User> I have it all into pieces so will just use on the heat sink and fans
[15:28] <Kilos> maybe the movement in the vacuum pipes can cause static so just dont touth it to anywhere
[15:29] <Private_User> yeah will do that
[15:29] <Kilos> might be a good idea to add an earth strap
[15:29] <theblazehen> hey, any python guys here?
[15:29] <Kilos> the fly theblazehen
[15:29] <Private_User> nah I think most are dog lovers dude
[15:29] <theblazehen> Kilos, ty
[15:29] <Private_User> LOL
[15:29] <theblazehen> superfly, you here?
[15:30] <Private_User> hows it going theblazehen, been very quite these days
[15:30] <theblazehen> Private_User, going ok
[15:31] <theblazehen> Just been bit busy
[15:31] <theblazehen> Got a GPU now
[15:31] <Private_User> ah cool stuff, started doing your mining yet?
[15:31] <theblazehen> yep
[15:31] <theblazehen> making around R30 per day
[15:32] <Kilos> whats a gpu
[15:32] <theblazehen> Kilos, graphics cards
[15:32] <Private_User> excellent stuff you should teach us, I was curious about this stuff and was reading about it, alot of reading, I hate reading
[15:32] <Kilos> ah
[15:33] <Kilos> what does it cost to start theblazehen ?
[15:33] <Kilos> and what has the gpu thing to do with it
[15:34] <Kilos> 30 bucks a day is good
[15:34] <Kilos> pay for lotsa data
[15:34] <theblazehen> Kilos, for around R3000 or so you can get mid range GPU - maybe R20 per day
[15:34] <Kilos> i dont understand
[15:35] <Kilos> where is this gpu
[15:35] <Private_User> oh my 3k that would take along time to save up hey Kilos
[15:35] <Kilos> yeah
[15:35] <theblazehen> Kilos, in your PC
[15:35] <theblazehen> you then create bitcoin
[15:35] <Kilos> why you need one for 3k
[15:35] <theblazehen> More expensive = more power
[15:36] <theblazehen> Got like over 1000 "cores"
[15:36] <Kilos> thats another whole pc almost
[15:36] <Private_User> lol
[15:36] <theblazehen> Kilos, GPU that will get you around R70 per day costs R12000
[15:36] <Private_User> wtf
[15:37] <Kilos> i dont understand
[15:37] <Kilos> what does the card have to do with it
[15:37] <Private_User> 12k jeez thats alot
[15:37] <Private_User> just for a GPU
[15:37] <theblazehen> Kilos, the card does the hashing, which you do to create bitcoin
[15:38] <theblazehen> Private_User, yeah, my next few cards are gonna be at around R3000
[15:38] <Private_User> but I guess it will be recovered soon enough after all that mining
[15:38] <Kilos> whew ill never understand that
[15:38] <theblazehen> Private_User, couple of months
[15:38] <Kilos> where do you mine?
[15:38] <theblazehen> I've already made R1000
[15:38] <superfly> theblazehen: sortof... what's up?
[15:38] <theblazehen> http://wafflepool.com/
[15:38] <Private_User> ok but is it possible to do the mining without it?
[15:39] <theblazehen> superfly, I'll PM you. need python help
[15:39] <theblazehen> Private_User, yeah, just around 100x slower
[15:39] <theblazehen> Electricity will cost more
[15:39] <Kilos> dont forget please
[15:39] <superfly> KK
[15:40] <Private_User> theblazehen:  ah ok so how much would I make without it, approximately?
[15:40] <theblazehen> Private_User, which CPU?
[15:42] <Private_User> theblazehen: Intel Pentium(R) Dual CPU T3400 @ 2.16GHz 2.17GHz
[15:42] <Private_User> well thats what my system properties tell me
[15:42] <theblazehen> Maybe R50 per month
[15:42] <theblazehen> If you're lucky
[15:42] <Kilos> eeeek
[15:42] <Private_User> ok its a start
[15:43] <Private_User> how will it affect the performance of the machine?
[15:43] <Kilos> so the more expensive the cpu and gpu the more you make
[15:43] <Kilos> thats weird
[15:44] <theblazehen> Private_User, will put CPU at 100%
[15:45] <theblazehen> Kilos, it needs to do calculations to make the oney
[15:45] <theblazehen> money*
[15:45] <Private_User> geez ok I could run it when I am away from the machine or asleep
[15:46] <Private_User> but then I wondering how will I get my machine back if its 100%...
[15:46] <Kilos> lol
[15:46] <theblazehen> Will still work, just lttle slower
[15:46] <Private_User> and mem usage?
[15:48] <theblazehen> maybe 10 MB
[15:48] <Private_User> ok I will maybe give it a try maybe the money I make can pay for me to get what I need
[15:49] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[15:49] <Golynx> hi Private_User
[15:49] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[15:49] <Golynx> hi superfly (in the background)
[15:49] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[15:49] <theblazehen> hey Golynx
[15:49] <Private_User> Hi Golynx
[15:49] <Kilos> how can you just make money from nothing
[15:50] <Kilos> Private_User you can also try overclocking a bit
[15:51] <theblazehen> Kilos, http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/bitcoin-infographic_5029189c9cbaf_w1500.jpg
[15:51] <Golynx> hmm i miss the GPU of a desktop
[15:51] <Kilos> will look tomorrow theblazehen
[15:51] <Kilos> under 20m data for tonight
[15:51] <Kilos> ty
[15:51] <theblazehen> Kilos, kk
[15:54] <Private_User> yep thanks theblazehen that info helps a bit... :D will try to do more research later
[15:55] <theblazehen> Private_User, kk
[15:55] <theblazehen> Private_User, oh and never use nvidia cards
[15:55] <Kilos> why?
[15:55] <Private_User> oh why not?
[15:55] <Private_User> will remember that though
[15:56] <Private_User> thanks
[15:56] <Kilos> sigh that all i have
[15:57] <Golynx> who said nvidia cards are more opensource than ATi
[15:59] <magespawn> later all home time
[15:59] <Golynx> so in a sense you would expect better performance from an nvidia card
[15:59] <Kilos> Private_User google why not to use nvidia cards with bitcoin
[15:59] <Golynx> bye magespawn
[15:59] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[15:59] <Private_User> ok oom Kilos will do
[15:59] <Kilos> ai!
[16:00] <Private_User> lol
[16:00] <Private_User> brb
[16:00] <Kilos> this is weird you know
[16:00] <Kilos> mine bit coins on your pc
[16:00] <Kilos> then what are they worth
[16:00] <theblazehen> Private_User, don't support all the AMD functions
[16:00] <Kilos> to others that is
[16:01] <Golynx> isnt one bitcoin worth like $1000
[16:02] <superfly> hi Golynx
[16:02] <theblazehen> Golynx, was
[16:04] <Golynx> theblazehen: i see $566.01 on bitcoinexchangerate.org
[16:04] <Golynx> nice
[16:05] <Golynx> that Japanese guy was some serious math genius to invent such a complex system :/
[16:07] <Golynx> those early investors into bitcoin surely are smiling now
[16:07] <theblazehen> Golynx, yeah
[16:07] <theblazehen> Not THAT great though
[16:07] <theblazehen> I'm involved with some pretty smart guys creating the next "bitcoin"
[16:08] <Golynx> oh nice, is there a mini version of bitcoin that cost less
[16:10] <theblazehen> Well you don't need to get a full bitcoin, but yeah
[16:10] <theblazehen> I mine litecoin
[16:12] <Golynx> oh yes litecoin is what i remember on RT (russia today) last year
[16:12] <Golynx> awesome idea
[16:13] <Golynx> i wana bye a pizza with my litecoins someday lol
[16:14] <theblazehen> lol
[16:16] <Kilos> so these bitcoins are actually imaginary money?
[16:16] <Kilos> virtual
[16:17] <theblazehen> yeah
[16:17] <theblazehen> Just like any fiat money!
[16:18] <Kilos> how can you buy stuff with imaninary money
[16:18] <Kilos> you get amaginary stuff then too?
[16:18] <Kilos> imaginary
[16:18] <theblazehen> and physical stuff
[16:18] <theblazehen> Many places take bitcoin
[16:19] <Kilos> wow
[16:24] <Golynx> Yay! free internet for the whole world. finally :/ https://www.outernet.is/
[16:26] <Golynx> they should've done this a long time ago
[16:26] <Kilos> haha tell cellc and mtn and voda
[16:27] <Golynx> lol i bet in 30 years all data will be free :p
[16:28] <Golynx> Communication is like the right to live as a human being. One should not be putting a price tag on that
[16:29] <Kilos> tell telkom you want a free phone
[16:31] <Golynx> let telkom enjoy the wine their customers work so hard stomping grapes with their feet on, until their beer bellies explode lol
[16:32] <Kilos> next peeps will want free cars and petrol
[16:32] <Golynx> just like crude oil, they and the rest of the worlds tele companies will run out of pricing for communication
[16:33] <Kilos> hi not_found
[16:33] <Kilos> funny stuffs here
[16:33] <Golynx> nah not the physical stuff you still have to pay for
[16:33] <Golynx> data is invisible
[16:33] <Golynx> hi not_found
[16:34] <not_found> o/ Kilos & Golynx & all
[16:34] <Kilos> so how can you then buy with bitcoin
[16:34] <Golynx> its an alternative to physical cash
[16:35] <Kilos> you do bitcoin not_found ?
[16:35] <Kilos> ya Golynx but how can you buy physical stuff with imaninary money
[16:35] <not_found> I had a miner going for a little while but it was obvious I was wasting more money than making any :p - now I will just use bitcoins to pay for stuff if needed...
[16:36] <not_found> Kilos , all money is imaginary...
[16:36] <not_found> it is all numbers on a computer
[16:36] <Kilos> ya but with a R50 note you can go get bread and milk
[16:37] <Kilos> i dont understand this stuff
[16:37] <Golynx> thats what google is for :p
[16:37] <not_found> anything is worth something if someone is willing to exchange something else for it
[16:38] <Kilos> lol
[16:38] <not_found> it uses to be money was coupled to gold... hasn't been for a long time
[16:38] <Kilos> yeah
[16:39] <Kilos> but its still physical stuff
[16:39] <Kilos> im too old for this
[16:42] <not_found> I use my debit and credit card to buy stuff... all numbers on a PC
[16:42] <Kilos> ok
[16:44] <not_found> but yes, crypto currency is an interesting development
[16:45] <not_found> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
[16:45] <not_found> some "light" reading
[16:45] <theblazehen> not_found, have I told you about emunie?
[16:45] <not_found> nope
[16:46] <kbmonkey> hello o/
[16:46] <not_found> hey kbmonkey , long time no see
[16:47] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey
[16:47] <theblazehen> hey kbmonkey
[16:47] <Kilos> its gonna rain
[16:47] <theblazehen> not_found, check out eMunie.com
[16:47] <theblazehen> Kilos, yes!
[16:47] <Golynx> hi vice chair kbmonkey sir
[16:47] <Kilos> my monkey came again back
[16:47] <not_found> theblazehen @ work so link blocked... will check it out when home again
[16:47] <kbmonkey> yes he he thank you everybody
[16:48] <not_found> if I remember >.<
[16:48] <theblazehen> not_found, kk
[16:48] <Kilos> kbmonkey you bitcoin?
[16:49] <kbmonkey> hey Kilos, I did when it first came out, but quickly realized I needed a lot more computing power to gain a substantial amount
[16:49]  * not_found will be back later ... have a good evening :)
[16:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:50] <kbmonkey> why do you ask Kilos ?
[16:51] <Kilos> peeps been talking about it here
[16:51] <Kilos> i struggle to understand it
[16:53] <kbmonkey> ya it is a strange idea init?
[16:54] <Kilos> weird
[16:54] <kbmonkey> think instead of gold reserves to back your currency, you have cpu processing instead
[16:54] <Kilos> im sure my pc shop wont accept it
[16:54] <kbmonkey> that is how I understand it
[16:55] <kbmonkey> no, but some online stores do accept it.
[16:55] <Kilos> wow
[16:55] <kbmonkey> I have not found any though, mostly as shipping is a problem ;)
[16:58] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I suddenly see I have data left that will expire tonight. what will I use it for?
[16:59] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:00] <Kilos> bitcoins
[17:00] <Kilos> how much data?
[17:01] <kbmonkey> 2.8GB!
[17:01] <kbmonkey> that is a *lot*
[17:02] <Kilos> wow
[17:02] <Kilos> download some iso's
[17:04] <kbmonkey> ja I thought similar
[17:05] <Kilos> like the new kde
[17:05] <Kilos> hehe
[17:05] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, you ever GPU mine?
[17:05] <theblazehen> Was your early days 2011, or 2009 ?
[17:07] <kbmonkey> no I did not theblazehen
[17:08] <kbmonkey> I could not compile the custom kernel needed for gpu mining
[17:08] <kbmonkey> I need an i-something and a decent gpu card too ;)
[17:09] <theblazehen> ah
[17:10] <theblazehen> I never needed an i something?
[17:10] <theblazehen> Mining on a P4 with a R 290
[17:10] <theblazehen> R9 290*
[17:12] <kbmonkey> is that a graphics card?
[17:12] <kbmonkey> I assume it must be, I have a geforce 9800, will that do?
[17:14] <theblazehen> yeah
[17:14] <theblazehen> thats nvidia right? Will be a bit slow
[17:14] <theblazehen> But might make profit on litecoin
[17:19] <Private_User> hey kbmonkey have not see you here in a while
[17:20] <kbmonkey> hello Private_User, yes a few weeks
[17:21] <Private_User> so this discussion of Bitcoin is extremely interesting I wanna know can you change it for physical cash?
[17:21] <Private_User> if so how?
[17:21] <kbmonkey> I don't know Private_User
[17:22] <theblazehen> Private_User, bitx.co.za lacalbitcoins.com
[17:22] <theblazehen> localbitcoins.com *
[17:23] <Private_User> thanks theblazehen
[17:23] <Private_User> this is helpful
[17:24] <charl_> good evening
[17:24] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[17:24]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:25] <Private_User> evening charl_
[17:25] <kbmonkey> evening charl_
[17:25] <charl_> hi Private_User
[17:25] <kbmonkey> you know a lot about the coin theblazehen
[17:25] <charl_> hi kbmonkey
[17:25] <Private_User> hey this is looking more and more attractive bitcoin that is
[17:26] <Private_User> I am gonna give it go but hang we forgot to ask the most important question Kilos
[17:26] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, used to be very interested in it
[17:26] <theblazehen> hey charl_
[17:26] <Private_User> How much data will it use, the mining that is?
[17:26] <charl_> hi theblazehen
[17:26] <theblazehen> Private_User, around 30 kb/s, or 9GB per onth
[17:26] <theblazehen> month*
[17:27] <Private_User> Kilos: can you afford 9GB per month?
[17:27] <Golynx> The Outernet . Hundreds of tiny satellites will delivery free internet to the whole world via wifi . https://www.outernet.is/ . They even got the bitcoin service package included :p
[17:27] <Private_User> I probably could but then this data is once off what I have so if its done before my 12months are over then I am done
[17:28] <Private_User> ok gonna give that a look at Golynx
[17:28] <Private_User> thanks
[17:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[17:28] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[17:28] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[17:29] <theblazehen> Maaz: I can haz coffee?
[17:29] <Maaz> theblazehen: I already know stuff about I
[17:30] <Private_User> kbmonkey: remember we spoke about something like this a while back
[17:30] <Private_User> looks like somebody beat us to it
[17:30] <Private_User> but I think I wanna get involved in this project
[17:31] <theblazehen> Private_User, bitcoin?
[17:31] <Golynx> Private_User: this is the next evolution of the internet. Communication should be free regardless of who and where you are. Finally they are doing it :)
[17:31] <kbmonkey> my memory eludes me Private_User :p
[17:31] <theblazehen> Private_User, or outernet?
[17:31] <charl_> outernet is very interesting but it's not like it provides free unlimited internet for all
[17:32] <charl_> from what i understand from the website only certain pieces of data will be made available
[17:32] <theblazehen> charl_, yeah
[17:32] <theblazehen> traditional mesh better for now
[17:33] <Golynx> charl_: yes , they also plan on making it two way as time goes on
[17:33] <charl_> not that it isn't a really good initiative, it sounds like a great start
[17:34] <charl_> i wonder how they are planning on funding that
[17:34] <Golynx> google's balloons idea they should scrap and help these guys out with outernet
[17:35] <charl_> oh "Outernet is being incubated by Media Development Investment Fund, a New York-based 501(c)3 nonprofit organization."
[17:35] <Golynx> yeah
[17:35] <charl_> what can i say... good for them
[17:35] <charl_> and besides, why not
[17:36] <Golynx> too bad Skynet was taken :p
[17:36] <charl_> lol
[17:36] <charl_> no nobody wants skynet
[17:36] <charl_> that would instantly kill the funding :)
[17:36] <Golynx> haha true
[17:37] <charl_> the project would get terminated immediately
[17:37] <charl_> eh, sorry :)
[17:39] <Golynx> lol , but the world needs something like this
[17:43] <Golynx> ai, here we go again
[17:45] <Golynx> or not
[17:47] <Kilos> eeeek i got killed
[17:48] <Kilos> freenode battling again
[17:48] <Golynx> thats how DDOS starts
[17:48] <Kilos> chat.feenode.net is dead
[17:49] <Kilos> im here with irc.freenode.net
[17:49] <Golynx> hope they get bored and leave freenode alone
[17:49] <Golynx> oh
[17:49] <Kilos> i wish theyd just get sick and die
[17:50] <Kilos> they are nothing but criminals
[17:51] <Kilos> oh my
[17:51] <Kilos> thats me
[17:54] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:54] <kbmonkey> wat
[17:55] <Kilos> im here with irc.freenode.net and chat.freenode.net
[17:55] <Kilos> dunno where it got that nick from
[17:56] <Kilos> why didnt it just call me guest
[17:57] <Golynx> from freenode staff, Chiyo: there appears to be some slight issues at the moment
[17:57] <Kilos> slight?
[17:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:58] <Kilos> theblazehen you got uncapped
[17:58] <theblazehen> Kilos, ya
[17:58] <Kilos>    that amount of data use for bitcoin is just too much
[17:59] <theblazehen> Kilos, yeah
[17:59] <kbmonkey> hey that reminds me what shall I download ?
[17:59] <kbmonkey> before my data renews
[18:00] <Kilos> i told you
[18:00] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, movie off priatebay?
[18:00] <Kilos> isos or movies
[18:01] <Kilos> get the boot-repair cd iso
[18:01] <kbmonkey> I dont know which :p
[18:01] <Kilos> thats at least useful
[18:01] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, enders game??
[18:01] <kbmonkey> rather iso than movie
[18:01] <Kilos> you got a faster pc now?
[18:01] <kbmonkey> what is enders game?
[18:01] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, movie
[18:03] <kbmonkey> thanks theblazehen :]
[18:04] <Kilos> there freenode chat dead again'
[18:04] <Kilos> sigh
[18:07] <Golynx> from freenode staff, Chiyo: no word on what the cause is, but network issues, yes
[18:08] <Kilos> ty
[18:08] <kbmonkey> ty
[18:08] <Golynx> np
[18:15] <Private_User_Web> not sure why but my PC is not resolving the irc.freenode.net address
[18:15] <Private_User_Web> does anybody know the IP address for the above?
[18:16] <Kilos-> whew
[18:16] <Kilos> freenode is crashing on and off Private_User_Web
[18:17] <Private_User_Web> for some reason my machine has started resolving the address as <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:17] <Kilos> im here now with irc.freenode.net and chat.freenode.net
[18:17] <Kilos> just be patient
[18:17] <Private_User_Web> oh wow it just connected itself
[18:18] <Kilos> the chat one seems to be affected more
[18:18] <Private_User_Web> but when I ping the address its still giving me the address <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:18] <Private_User_Web> not sure why that is so but at least its connecting
[18:19] <Kilos> just leave it they will sort the prob
[18:19] <Private_User> ok will do Kilo
[18:19] <Private_User> sorry ok will do Kilos
[18:19] <Kilos> my chat one came on with this nick 23LAAD3S5
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <Kilos> no i cant do 9g data a month
[18:20] <Golynx> Private_User_Web: freenode resolves to <IP_ADDRESS> to mitigate the excess traffic brought by a DDOS attack
[18:20] <Private_User> ah ok thanks Golynx
[18:21] <Private_User> so what are they doing to resolve the ddos attacks
[18:21] <Golynx> Private_User: if they didnt do that deliberatly then the servers will surely crash under the load
[18:22] <Private_User> yeah but why not get rid of the DDOS attacks or is it a difficult costly affair?
[18:25] <Private_User> it would be nice to reverse DDOS attacks so hit them back
[18:26] <Golynx> thats kinda what <IP_ADDRESS> is doing to reflect if anyone is attacking, back onto themsleves
[18:28] <Private_User> ah nice
[18:30] <kbmonkey> Private_User, the ddos come from IP addresses all over the world so one cannot block it easily
[18:31] <Private_User> ok so you would not know it until it starts hitting. Are they able to go via my computer?
[18:32] <kbmonkey> usually a trojan or virus infects pc's from websites, and turns users pc's into zombies
[18:32] <Private_User> ok
[18:32] <kbmonkey> the zombies listen for commands from a master, and they all start sending requests to the freenode servers at once
[18:32] <kbmonkey> most of these infected users dont know it :p
[18:33] <kbmonkey> its a distributed attack
[18:33] <kbmonkey> it is very nasty
[18:34] <Golynx> put all those requests in a loop and you got a seriously long lasting sustained attack
[18:34] <Private_User> ok cool got it, meaning if everybody were to update their antivirus stop accepting and installing unwanted software they could avoid this but if they install Linux I think should be even better
[18:35] <Private_User> :)
[18:35] <kbmonkey> exactly that :)
[18:36] <kbmonkey> the servers struggle to keep up processing all the requests, and bam.
[18:36] <Private_User> but what did Freenode do to deserve this? I wonder... probably klined somebody who was not very happy and not allowing that person back on
[18:38] <Private_User> sometimes I wish I knew how to do something like that or have that kind of power cause there some sites that really frustrate you unfortunately my brain these days is too lazy to even go read up on this stuff let alone learn how to do it
[18:42] <kbmonkey> I also wish I knew why they target freenode
[18:42] <kbmonkey> it must be personal
[18:42] <kbmonkey> otherwise they'd target sites that deserve it
[19:12] <theblazehen> https://www.google.com/search?q=blink+html lol
[19:16] <Kilos> things seem to be stable again
[19:16] <Kilos> oh my kbmonkey you still here
[19:16] <Kilos> gonna be big storm
[19:16] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos - that is good to hear
[19:17] <kbmonkey> looked like rain here earlier, never fell
[19:17] <Kilos> i wonder how many pcs running bitcoin are used for ddos attacks
[19:17] <theblazehen> Kilos, why would they be?
[19:17] <Kilos> surely if you run that on a win  pc it is even more vulnerable
[19:18] <Kilos> well they then part of that system
[19:18] <Kilos> and its open to everyone
[19:18] <theblazehen> Kilos, not really...
[19:18] <kbmonkey> nah the bitcoind clients wont do that, at least not the open sourced ones.
[19:19] <Kilos> no man but the win pcs running bitcoin
[19:19] <kbmonkey> oh they'd be running more than bitcoin and that is the problem ;)
[19:19] <Kilos> you said its like i hidden virus waiting for a command to attack
[19:19] <theblazehen> I'd be more worried about windows PC's running XP IMO...
[19:20] <Kilos> yeah well win pcs arent very secure at the best of times
[19:21] <Kilos> so to add a hidden virus that dont kill the pc but make it a slave of some other pc would be the aim of these bad okes
[19:23] <Kilos> so the mining but is allowing your pc to be used online as a bitcoin client
[19:23] <Kilos> you dont go digging for stuff
[19:25] <Kilos> right?
[19:28] <theblazehen> Yeah, but it's very specific "stuff"
[19:28] <theblazehen> Namely doing sha256 hashes
[19:29] <Kilos> do you do it or the pc on its own
[19:31] <theblazehen> PC on it's own
[19:31] <Kilos> whew
[19:32] <Kilos> so with uncapped its good to have a fast pc just doing bitcoin on the side
[19:32] <theblazehen> yeah
[19:32] <theblazehen> Guy I know lives off it
[19:32] <theblazehen> no job
[19:32] <Kilos> wow
[19:33] <theblazehen> couple thousand USD per month
[19:36] <kbmonkey> you got the idea Kilos, but that is why open source is so good: everyone can see at what the code really does.
[19:36] <kbmonkey> so everyone can see it is not a zombie virus he he
[19:36] <Kilos> but you get opensource stuff for windows too
[19:36] <kbmonkey> if someone uses a secret code bitcoin client, they wont really know what it does :(
[19:37] <Kilos> hi GnikLlort
[19:37] <GnikLlort> hi Kilos
[19:37] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[19:37] <GnikLlort> Thanks
[19:37] <theblazehen> hi GnikLlort
[19:37] <kbmonkey> welcome GnikLlort
[19:38] <GnikLlort> Hello everyone
[19:38] <Kilos> GnikLlort you been here before?
[19:39] <GnikLlort> Yea an hour ago
[19:39] <Kilos> with another nick im sure
[19:39] <GnikLlort> nope
[19:40] <Kilos> you here to get  linux help or to offer to help us?
[19:40] <Kilos> you remember me?
[19:40] <GnikLlort> Yea I do
[19:40] <Kilos> sorry i forgot you
[19:40] <GnikLlort> Im just here becuz im bored
[19:41] <GnikLlort> its ok mate
[19:41] <Kilos> good stay here
[19:41] <GnikLlort> I will lol
[19:41] <kbmonkey> Kilos, is our drill seargent
[19:41] <Kilos> i want to get us over 50 users
[19:41] <GnikLlort> lol drill seargent Kilos
[19:42] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <inetpro> nee man!
[19:44] <Kilos> naand inetpro
[19:44] <inetpro> 50 is too hectic
[19:44] <Kilos> man it can drop after i have retired inetpro
[19:44] <inetpro> :-)
[19:46] <Kilos> you can chase the noisy ones away
[19:48] <kbmonkey> hello inetpro
[19:48] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[19:49] <Kilos> ya ya lurker
[19:49] <Kilos> you been here long time
[19:50] <kbmonkey> great evening, tgif
[19:53] <charl_> have a good evening all
[19:57] <kbmonkey> well I am also stepping away for tonight
[19:57] <Kilos> SCR1845-6357B you didnt answer last night
[19:57] <Kilos> sleep tight kbmonkey
[19:58] <kbmonkey> you too Kilos
[19:58] <kbmonkey> and everybody else!
[19:58] <SCR1845-6357B> sorry Kilos, what was the question?
[19:58] <Kilos> ty
[19:58] <Kilos> do you understand mexican
[19:58] <SCR1845-6357B> you're kidding me
[19:59] <Kilos> no im asking
[19:59] <SCR1845-6357B> all spanish varieties are mutually intelligible
[19:59] <Kilos> ah
[19:59] <SCR1845-6357B> it's not like afrikaans and dutch
[19:59] <Kilos> so if i say handele you will hurry up
[19:59] <SCR1845-6357B> I mean, they're closer, not to the extent of differentiated languages
[20:00] <Kilos> oh so mexican is like a fork of spanish
[20:00] <SCR1845-6357B> there is particular words that can sound strange or even be unknown for each country
[20:01] <Kilos> aha
[20:01] <Kilos> ty
[20:01] <SCR1845-6357B> a common example of this; in spaniard spanish "coger" is to take, and mexican spanish it means to fuck
[20:02] <Kilos> whew
[20:09] <SCR1845-6357B> I gotta go now, will join tomorrow again
[20:09] <Kilos> go well
[20:09] <SCR1845-6357B> have a good night Kilos
[20:09] <Kilos> ty you too
[20:10] <Kilos> oh they dat time
[20:10] <Kilos> day
[20:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[14:03] <guy_linux> hello guys. just like to ask regarding laptop with XP + Ubuntu. Which is better - to dual boot XP/Ubuntu or create a live bootable USB of Ubuntu? Thanks.
[14:07] <rEnr3n> hi guy_linux
[14:08] <rEnr3n> depende na siguro yan sayo
[14:09] <rEnr3n> kung dual boot: pde ka mag-install ng as many apps you like as long as your hd can hold. pero you'll need to reboot always
[14:09] <guy_linux> hello rEnr3n. kasi i've tried dual boot and live USB. I think Ubuntu on dual boot is a bit slower compared to Live USB. but don't know with the experience of others.
[14:10] <rEnr3n> baka mabagal na ang hd mo?
[14:10] <guy_linux> yes. baka nga sa hd...
[14:10] <rEnr3n> kasi mas preferred ang usb for fast work or immediate works
[14:10] <guy_linux> would freeing some space help?
[14:11] <rEnr3n> kung hardcore ang jobs mo, mas prefer na ang dual boot
[14:11] <rEnr3n> yes
[14:11] <rEnr3n> kelangan kasi sa defragmentation yan
[14:12] <rEnr3n> kng masyadong mababa free space mu, you will notice degraded performance
[14:12] <rEnr3n> na-experience ko yan sa lubuntu ko
[14:13] <guy_linux> i guess kelangan ko nang mag-free ng space to improve performance... thanks for the advice. But i think will continue to have Ubuntu via Live USB. thanks again.
[14:13] <rEnr3n> ok np


[18:00] <xu-irc71w> Hi! Is this a right place to ask why my downloaded "xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso" md5sum and sha256 not matching values from MD5SUMS file and SHA256SUMS file?
[18:03] <xu-irc71w> I tried direct download from Bulgaria and Netherlands, torrent download. All downloaded files has the same hash but it differs from "valid"
[18:07] <xu-irc71w> Ah... Get it... By default "xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso" downloaded and I was looking for "xubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:07] <xu-irc71w> Ah... Get it... By default "xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso" downloaded and I was looking for "xubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso"
[23:02] <xu-help89w> Hi! I have 2 related problems that have cropped up in the past month. 1 is that X crashes when resuming from suspend. 2. is that when X restarts, hardware acceleration is unavailable. Is this the best place for help?


[10:54] <mcb30> blackboxsw: https://slexy.org/view/s21hGF2TPF - it's just a single NIC dual-stack setup with stateful DHCPv6
[13:45] <kholkina> Hi all! Can someone explain why do we check it in this line and then in line 182? https://github.com/cloud-init/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/ssh_util.py#L178
[13:46] <kholkina> looks like in line 182 'k' should be checked
[14:12] <smoser> kholkina: reading.
[14:22] <smoser> kholkina: you would appear to be correct. i'd seem you could expose that pretty easily exposed in a unit test
[14:35] <smoser> well, it doesnt test your issue
[14:35] <smoser>  but http://paste.ubuntu.com/26500979/
[14:36] <smoser> adds a test of that. and i guess to expose your bug, we just need to make the 'new_entry' invalid.
[14:38] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26500992/
[14:38] <smoser> and there is a unit test showing your issue, kholkina
[17:07] <blackboxsw> mcb30: thanks!
[18:54]  * blackboxsw sets up vpn * vmware on my desktop
[18:54] <blackboxsw> oops
[21:24] <mgerdts> smoser - I think I've tracked down my problem to being a form of PEBKAC.  That being said, there's a reasonable case for protecting against this failure mode (as well as the case where the metadata server goes to lunch in middle of a request) that doesn't involve a ton of code.  I'd like to get your opinion on this.
[21:24] <mgerdts> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1746605
[21:27] <smoser> mgerdts: login prompt
[21:27] <smoser> right ?
[21:27] <smoser> login is running on that console and writing as cloud-init is
[21:27] <mgerdts> no, a mdata-get command running at the same time as cloud-init
[21:28] <mgerdts> rm /usr/sbin/mdata-get; reboot; problem fixed!
[21:29] <mgerdts> since pretty much anything can connect to the port and mess up the conversation, a retry or two may be useful.
[21:29] <mgerdts> That would also provide some resilience in case the metadata server in the host is bounced while cloud-init is in the middle of a transaction.
[21:30]  * mgerdts wishing we had a transport that was aware of multiple sessions
[21:50] <rharper> mgerdts: you mention a race with other mdata-get users ... what else would be running in parallel with cloud-init that early ?  does mdata-get write a lock file somewhere that cloud-init could check for?  does mdata-get or the scripts themselves do any retry?  that may still result in some sort of  storm of clobbering each other then requiring some sort of back-off (or both sides failing)
[21:52] <mgerdts> We could follow the advice at tldp.org for locking serial ports in mdata-{get,put,...} and cloud-init.  That would be a good thing.  It doesn't prevent some other random.process from opening the serial port and producing or consuming data.
[21:52] <mgerdts> Options 2 + 3 would be the most robust.
[21:54] <rharper> cloud-init's use of the serial port is pretty limited , just early boot;  it's somewhat surprising that any other user of the serial is active at that time
[21:56] <mgerdts> Right now I'm trying track down what else on the system is using the metadata port.
[21:57] <rharper> I do think your suggestion (2 +3) is a reasonable approach though;  but maybe pushing the parallel usage issue somewhere else, only to come back once those users add their retry and locking
[21:59] <rharper> there are various serial multiplexors; conserver and the like;  maybe something infront of the raw serial device can help serialize access
[21:59] <smoser> mgerdts: yeah.. we can add retry.
[21:59] <smoser> and we can add advisory locking too, and put a change in mdata-get to do the same.
[22:02] <mgerdts> I don't think that trying to add a multiplexer is the solution, as there's no session information attached to each byte that goes across the connection.  For now, the best solution seems to be a lock along with a retry.
[22:02] <mgerdts> There's been some discussion of supporting vsockets.  If we get that in place, it would be great to transition the SmartOS metadata service over to that.
[22:09] <rharper> +1 on vsockets
[22:14] <smoser> mgerdts: well we use a socket in the container solution
[22:15] <smoser> right ?
[22:15] <mgerdts> yep
[22:15] <mgerdts> We just don't have a way to pass a socket all the way into a VM yet.
[22:15] <smoser> right.
[22:19] <mgerdts> https://github.com/joyent/mdata-client/issues/11