[00:05] <dasKreech> check in /etc/init.d for something dealing with power I'd suspect
[00:09] <bomber> ok thx... i'll look in there
[00:41] <itg_> Hello
[00:42] <itg_> does anyone have any grid squares?
[00:43] <James147> grid squares for what?
[00:49] <itg_> no questions
[02:45] <sysop2> hi
[02:45] <sysop2> I want to where to post a list of all the screen savers that work with widgets in kde4.
[02:46] <sysop2> I want to know that is.
[02:47] <sysop2> its a list of 21. I have tried every screen saver thats in kubuntu.
[02:47] <sysop2> literally. well over a hundred screen savers and only 21 work with widgets. 22 if you count blank screen.
[02:48] <sysop2> although I am using the nvidia dirvers.  but even still that seems really low.
[02:49] <sysop2> its closer to 160 screen savers
[02:49] <sysop2> ne1 there??
[02:51] <trebuchet> How would I get konqueror-embedded in 10.04
[02:51] <trebuchet> http://www.konqueror.org/embedded/
[03:18] <donmosko> hi
[05:31] <KDEuser> lost
[05:32] <vianna> bom dia pessoal
[05:32] <bazhang> !br | vianna
[05:33] <vianna> valeuuu
[06:14] <scott__> hello
[06:15] <scott__> does anyone know why my sound goes out when i start up picasa?
[06:15] <scott__> happens in kubuntu and ubuntu, 64or32
[06:25] <sresu> How to obtain ubuntuone-kde?
[06:33] <sresu> Ubuntu One KDE Client??
[08:01] <sresu> Anyone using KDE 4.5 from backports?
[08:08] <sresu> Anyone can help me?
[08:11] <moetunes> sresu:  I'm sure plenty have it installed but you might have to ask again in a bit  when they're awake/here:]
[08:12] <sresu> moentunes: I got one problem after doing that, it seems quite minor but I lost some data by that
[08:12] <sresu> moentunes: I use four desktops on a single monitor and one desktop is kept specifically for notes.
[08:13] <moetunes> sresu:  I haven't installed it but if I can help I will
[08:13] <moetunes> k
[08:13] <sresu> moentunes: After upgrading, all the remaining three desktops are intact but one new desktop loaded in the default style eating my desktop of notes
[08:14] <moetunes> !tab | sresu
[08:14] <sresu> moentunes: I just want to have my notes back
[08:15] <moetunes> sresu:  you prob have mixed the 4.4 and 4.5 settings in your home folder - standard answer afaik is to try with a new user
[08:15] <moetunes> moe + tab button
[08:17] <sresu> moetunes,  Sorry for that
[08:17] <sresu> moetunes, I'll see
[08:17] <moetunes> k :]
[08:18] <sresu> moetunes, If the settings are stored in home folder, then I can retain my desktop settings as well, right?
[08:20] <moetunes> sresu:  I haven't tried 4.5 - but from what I've seen on here the settings get mixed up in .local
[08:21] <moetunes> sresu:  you'll have better luck in a bit when someone with experience with it comes on
[08:21] <moetunes> :]
[08:22] <sresu_> moetunes, Hopefully..
[08:23] <moetunes> sresu:  just give it an hour or two mate
[08:39] <phoenix_> not able to send file to my mobile(nokia 5800) using kbluetooth
[08:52] <phoenix_> where can i get bluedevil deb for kubuntu 10.04
[08:53] <moetunes> try getdeb maybe
[08:54] <phoenix_> moetunes: its not available there]
[08:54] <moetunes> !find bluedevil
[08:55] <moetunes> I don't know anything about it - maybe sourceforge and use checkinstal ?
[08:55] <moetunes> !checkinstall
[08:55] <phoenix_> moetunes: ok, i will try to complie the source
[08:56] <moetunes> phoenix_:  make sure to use checkinstall so if it doesn't work it is easy to remove
[08:56] <phoenix_> moetunes: ok
[08:57] <moetunes> :]
[09:04] <phoenix_> moetunes: https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+build/1914326
[09:04] <phoenix_> moetunes: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbluedevil/1.8-0ubuntu1/+build/1958140
[09:04] <phoenix_> moetunes: successfully installed bluedevil
[09:04] <moetunes> phoenix_:  it's polite to state a reason for the link - is it a bug?
[09:04] <moetunes> woot!
[09:05] <moetunes> phoenix_:  so you can send the file ?
[09:05] <phoenix_> moetunes: i am going to try now
[09:05] <moetunes> luck
[09:05] <phoenix_> moetunes: those links contains the debs
[09:06] <moetunes> phoenix_:  strange they're on launchpad tho
[09:06] <phoenix_> moetunes: ya
[09:14] <phoenix_> moetunes: not able to send file
[09:15] <moetunes> phoenix_:  I don't use bluetooth for anything - is there someting on the phone you need to set up to recieve the file?
[09:17] <phoenix_> moetunes: till now i dont do anything in my mobile. the software that came with the bluetooth device is for ubuntu 9.10
[09:17] <phoenix_> moetunes: in ubuntu 9.10 it worked fine
[09:18] <phoenix_> moetunes: i will check and i will come back
[09:18] <moetunes> phoenix_:  it "still" should be - give it a little while more folk will be on in an hour or two
[09:18] <phoenix_> moetunes: ok
[09:20] <realburb> hi, I can see zeroconf announced services in dolphin at network: one is a ftp share another one is a afp share and a sleep proxy, what do I need to do to access the afp share? Clicking on the button doesnt open the folder
[09:53] <nobarking> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=wiretapping-quantum-encryption
[09:54] <moetunes> nobarking:  pls don't post a link without a reason for doing so
[10:33] <naums> hey guys-
[10:35] <phoenix_> moetunes: are you there
[10:35] <moetunes> phoenix_:  yep :]
[10:36] <phoenix_> moetunes: i tested the bluetooth connectivity in windows, the default windows program doesnt work
[10:36] <phoenix_> moetunes: the software bundled with the bluetooth is working
[10:38] <moetunes> phoenix_:  I know nothing about bluetooth sorry - but if in windows you need the proprietry app then it might be hard to get working in linux - you could try wine
[10:38] <moetunes> !wine
[10:39] <phoenix_> moetunes: the bluetooth app installs a driver, which wine cant load right?
[10:40] <moetunes> phoenix_:  that would be a question for #winehq - I haven't used anything microsoft since 2003
[10:42] <phoenix_> moetunes: the software is compiled for 9.10 kernel. is there a way to use it in a new kernel
[10:44] <moetunes> phoenix_:  afaik it should but that is a bit beyond my realm of expertise - the good folk in #ubuntu-kernel might know but it is saturday and I don't know if they're there in numbers
[10:45] <phoenix_> moetunes: how about the #ubuntu channel
[10:45] <moetunes> phoenix_:  it is worth a shot - someone there should know about bluetooth perhaps
[10:46] <vince_> Hi guys, i've got a small problem here. KDEs fancy graphic effects are disabled by default every time I start my laptop. Then I have to manually enable them and everything works smoothly. Any ideas  how to enable them by default?
[10:50] <navetz> can somone please tell me how to use dpkg to resetup my xorg? I tried to install propritary drivers for my ati card and everything broke. I stopped using them but it is still very sluggish
[10:50] <moetunes> have you selected a new session at login or chosen not to save the session?
[10:51] <navetz> moetunes: yes I always start with a new session
[10:51] <moetunes> navetz:  that'll be why - it doesn't save the fact that you want the effects enabled afaik
[10:52] <navetz> moetunes: no it seems to save it fine. It seems to just run much slower now. I have a pretty good laptop so specs shouldn't be an issue
[10:53] <moetunes> navetz:  afaik a new session doesn't have the effects enabled - I could be wrong but try with last session
[11:04] <jussi> can someone remind me of the program for batch resizing photos?
[11:05] <jussi> nvm, seems gwenview can do it... :)
[12:05] <yannux> I would like to make debian package for a plasmoid, for kubuntu backport, but my kde version is 4.5.1,  is there a good way to build it for kde 4.4 ?
[12:06] <Peace-> mmm
[12:06] <Peace-> maybe it's better ask here #kde
[13:18] <lieuwe> hey, i'm trying to get amorok to play mp3s but i'm not having any luck, i've installed gstreamer0.10-good-plugins, gstreamer0.10-ugly-plugins and gstreamer0.10-good-plugins gstreamer0.10-ugly-plugins but it's still not working
[13:20] <lieuwe> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3:Kubuntu doesn't help either
[13:30] <moetunes> tried installing   kubuntu-restricted-extras   ?
[13:30] <starslights> hello to everyone, i have a question about privoxy, i have from longtime asked that it will be possible to backport the stable version 3.16, but my question are that their a package for debian with that version but i wouloike to be sure that it can be possible to update with it and that will not leak my security . i run kubuntu lucid 10.04.1 64 bits
[13:31] <starslights> any suggestion welcome , thanks
[13:31] <lieuwe> moetunes: yes
[13:31] <lieuwe> moetunes: followed http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3:Kubuntu first
[13:31] <moetunes> !mp3
[13:38] <Guest31876> Hi, just install maverick beta. Not seeing daap server in Amarok. Is a firewall enabled by default?
[13:39] <moetunes> Guest31876:  try in the maverick channel - #ubuntu+1
[13:40] <Guest31876> ok, thanks for the tip
[13:41] <moetunes> np
[13:42] <lieuwe> i can actually play mp3s trough dolphin, but not trough amarok. what gives?
[13:42] <James147> lieuwe: have you restarted amarok since installing the codecs?
[13:43] <James147> (fully restarted, not just minimized to the tray)
[13:43] <lieuwe> James147: yes
[13:45] <lieuwe> halp?
[13:47] <James147> lieuwe: well, what happens when you try to play them? dose amarok skip them or just dosent produce any sound? can you play other formats?
[13:47] <lieuwe> James147: skips them
[13:47] <lieuwe> dunno about other formats
[13:47] <lieuwe> only got mp3s
[13:48] <James147> lieuwe: kubuntu should have some .ogg's somewhere :) it uses them for system sounds
[13:49] <James147> they should be in /usr/share/sounds/
[13:49] <yannux> I would like to make debian package for a plasmoid, for kubuntu backport, but my kde version is 4.5.1, is there a good way to build it for kde 4.4 ?
[13:49] <lieuwe> didn't realise that amarok minimises to the tray
[13:49] <lieuwe> James147: fixed, thanks
[13:50] <James147> yannux: if the user has kubuntubackports then tehy most likly have kde 4.5.1
[13:50] <yannux> hum isn't it a special ppa repository for 4.5.1 ?
[13:50] <James147> yannux: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[13:50] <James147> it is in that ^^
[13:51] <yannux> so it's not ine the default backport repository ?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:51] <James147> yannux: you might want to ask on #kubuntu-devel  they will know more :0
[13:51] <yannux> ok :D thanks ;)
[13:52] <starslights> oh ok, it's out for mavrick now, , i will take from here :)
[14:34] <volodya> does amarok still have autotaggin via musicbrainz, and if so, what packages should I install?
[14:37] <gauda> volodya: it has. not needed to install anything extra
[14:38] <volodya> I must be blind
[14:38] <volodya> "Edit track details", right?
[14:38] <volodya> I has only "guess tags from filename" for me.
[14:38] <volodya> s/I/It
[14:40] <gauda> ah sorry, i thought you meant tags, not id3tags. not sure about id3tags
[14:40] <gauda> i tagged my collection with picard
[14:40] <sv> hi, i installed kubuntu-10.10rc, but when I'm trying to boot, it get error: "No init found. Try passing init= bootarg"
[14:48] <sresu> Is there any stable version of this - https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde ??
[14:49] <sresu> James147, I guess you are using KDE 4.5 right?
[14:49] <James147> sresu: I am
[14:50] <James147> sresu: as far as I know the only stable version of ubuntuoe for kde is in maverick
[14:50] <James147> sresu: have tryed it but it didnt work teribally well :(
[14:51] <James147> and by stable I mean launches :)
[14:51] <kaniyan> hey guys i am using kubuntu 10.10 and no sound in youtube and other flv video sites any thoughts?
[14:51] <sresu> James147, Sure? Does it have the integration with Dolphin as this shows- http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-install-and-setup-ubuntu-one-in-kubuntu/2010/03/15  ?
[14:51] <James147> kaniyan: #ubuntu+1 for maverick support
[14:52] <kaniyan> ok
[14:52] <BluesKaj> kaniyan, install kubuntu-restricted-extras , and check out medibuntu
[14:52] <kaniyan> thanks of the info will try
[14:52] <BluesKaj> oops doubt if there's any medibuntu repos for maverick
[14:53] <James147> sresu: read somewhere that the latest version of ubuntone for kde was only supported on maverick, and would only work there
[14:53] <sresu> James147, Hopefully, then I'll wait for that then :)
[14:54] <sresu> James147, On the other side I don't think of moving from LTS, anyways, I'll see
[14:54] <moetunes> sresu:  sorry it couldn't work then :{
[14:55] <sresu> James147, Secondly, the reason I was asking about KDE 4.5 is that I had minor data loss due to it
[14:55] <sresu> moetunes, No, still searching for it
[14:55] <moetunes> k
[14:55] <James147> sresu: what data loss?
[14:55] <sresu> James147, Yeah. Hold on
[14:56] <sresu> James147,  I use four desktops on a single monitor and one desktop is kept specifically for notes.  After upgrading, all the remaining three desktops are intact but one new desktop loaded in the default style eating my desktop of notes. I just want to have my notes back..
[14:58] <James147> :( the notes data is stored in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc   but I am not sure if it will still be there
[14:58] <colorsoundboy> kopete sent his url to firefox can i changed that somewhere, because everywhere it is firefox only kopete isn/ t
[14:58] <sresu> Ah.. let me see
[14:58]  * sresu hoping to get surprised
[14:58] <James147> the desktop notes arnt the safest way to stop notes atm, espically during an upgrade... I would suggest trying 'basket'... although that now stores its notes in nepomuk
[14:59] <James147> colorsoundboy: you could try changing your default web browser in the default applications part of system settings
[15:00] <colorsoundboy> I know everywher i've done that but only kopete will not doing it :D very strange
[15:00] <sresu> James147, Are you sure about the file? Because there is no mention of any widget here
[15:01] <James147> sresu: it dosnt mention widgets as such... but they are there
[15:02] <sresu> James147, I mean about the notes, sorry
[15:02] <James147> sresu: as I said, I doupt that the notes data is still tehre
[15:03] <sresu> James147, http://pastebin.com/CmSaYMRe
[15:06] <James147> sresu: as far as I can see there are no notes widgets there
[15:06] <sresu> James147, Is there a way to restore back to my previous version?
[15:06] <James147> sresu: I dont think so
[15:06] <sresu> Those notes were really of importance to me
[15:07] <sresu> Anyways, Thanks a lot. I wish I could have got that back
[15:07] <James147> sresu: afraid this is one of those... always remember to back up... moments :( has happened to me before
[15:08] <James147> sresu: sensitive data is best keep in a program such as basket and regularly back up/exported
[15:08] <sresu> James147, Yes, I regularly backup using sync but I never thought this notes widget would ever get lost during widget
[15:08] <BluesKaj> sresu, yes or in text files , rather than notes
[15:09] <sresu> BlueKaj,Notes because they remind me.. those were not sensitive or personal. Only important to work
[15:09] <James147> sresu: :) afraid there is always a chance of losing data in unexpected ways
[15:09] <sresu> James147, Yes, I 'm going through the website of basket notes
[15:10] <sresu> James147, and would install from package manager if I feel the need. Thanks :)
[15:10] <James147> sresu: although I would like to point out that the latest version of baskt uses nepomuk, so I highly suggest regular backups/exporting of its notes :)
[15:11] <sresu> James147, Sure, Thanks :)
[15:11] <sresu> James147, Last, so there is really no chance at all of getting back my previous notes??
[15:12] <James147> sresu: you could look in plasma-appletsrc   ... but that file hasent been used since kde 4.3 or eailer
[15:12] <James147> (if it even exists anymore on you system)
[15:13] <sresu> It exists but shows only one line - update_info=plasma_popupapplet_fix_groups.upd:PlasmaPopupAppletFixGroups1
[15:16] <James147> sresu: then the only other option is to try a data recovery on the hdd, but the chances of getting the notes back from that are very very very slim... and it would be allot of hassel to attempt it
[15:17] <sresu> James147, Those are important, I'd like to try that. (Next time I'll be taking care of such things)
[15:17] <sresu> James147, Please guide me through data recovery
[15:18] <ubuntu> hi, I desperately need help.. I am currently running a live cd and where my linux ext4 partitions used to be, gparted now only detects unallocated hard drive space
[15:18] <James147> sresu: well, if you really want to try the first thing would be to stop using your computer.... and I am afraid I cannot guide you as I do not know how to do it
[15:18] <ubuntu> is there a recovery tool which would find my partitions for me again?
[15:18] <James147> sresu: but the longer you use your hdd the less chance of a recovery....
[15:19] <sresu> Oh
[15:21] <sresu> James147, I'll see what I can do. Thank you. Could you guide me through the installation of ubuntuone-kde from https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde ??
[15:24] <James147> sresu: afraid I dont have the time right now to lookin to compiling it
[15:25] <sresu> James147, Thanks. No prob
[15:25] <sresu> Could anyone guide me through the installation of ubuntuone-kde from https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde ??
[15:29] <ahox___> Hi, how do I check which pc's have an open port 80 in a network? I know that nmap should be a way, but I can not figure out the precise command
[15:30] <BluesKaj> sresu, whynot install ubuntuone with your package manager?
[15:30] <sresu> BluesKaj, That doesn't have integration with dolphin
[15:30] <James147> BluesKaj: ubuntuone-kde is not availble via a package in lucid (at least not taht I know of)
[15:30] <sresu> James147, He said about ubuntuone-client alone
[15:32] <BluesKaj> James147, if you some gtklibs like I do , due to synaptic being installed then those gnome apps become available
[15:32] <James147> BluesKaj: the point is he wants the -kde version as only that one has intergration with dolphin
[15:34] <sysop2> I have an issue with the kde3 screen saver packages in kubuntu. the desktop files are not in the correct format for kde4. I had to write a bash script to convert them so I could use them.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> sresu, I use gnome desktop at times to help in #ubuntu ...I found being a kde purist is too restrictive in many ways , altho my primary desktop is kde
[15:34] <sresu> BluesKaj, Then I guess for that I would need to try nautilus on KDE?
[15:35] <sresu> BluesKaj, No I wish to continue with KDE. Thanks :)
[15:35] <sysop2> and then almost all of them dont work with widgets., but even some of the kde4 screensavers dont work with widgets.
[15:35] <sysop2> I made a list of which ones work with widgets. I wonder where I could post it?
[15:36] <sysop2> I test almost 160 screen savers and only 22 work with widgets
[15:36] <sysop2> and thats including blank screen.
[15:37] <BluesKaj> sresu,` wll then start bugging the de devs about a "kubuntuone"  :)
[15:37] <BluesKaj> kde devs
[15:38] <sresu> BluesKaj, Oh.. No... Thats not needed.. I'm just waiting for it to work :)
[15:39] <James147> BluesKaj: there is already a -kde version in the works, just not availble on lucid :(
[15:40] <BluesKaj> James147, won't it run on lucid ?
[15:40] <James147> BluesKaj: no packages for lucid, there was one fore maverick
[15:40] <sresu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375145
[15:41] <BluesKaj> maverick will be out in a week or so...maybe some patience is in order
[15:45] <James147> sresu: I do have to mention that the kde version is still in alpha... so is very very flacky atm
[15:46] <James147> sresu: I would recomend for now using something like dropbox untill ubuntuone stablises more
[15:46] <yao_ziyuan> what is the sound recorder for kde?
[15:47] <muzer> I don't know, I tend to just use audacity
[15:48] <sresu> Look at this : https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntuone-kde
[15:48] <yao_ziyuan> all right
[15:51] <James147> sresu: thats the ppa for amverick
[15:51] <James147> (only contains the packages for amverick that is)
[15:51] <James147> maverick ^^
[15:52] <sresu> Yeah, I know
[15:52] <BluesKaj> sresu, so are you gonna take a chance on tha kde ppa ?
[15:52] <sresu> No
[15:53] <sresu> Just informing
[15:54] <BluesKaj> wait for 10 days or so , after the maverick repos dust settles
[16:19] <jussi> *!*@gateway/web/*$#ubuntu-proxy-users
[16:21] <IdleOne> thank you jussi
[16:22] <sanoop> want to know more about IRC?
[16:23] <IdleOne> sanoop: like what?
[16:24] <IdleOne> hehe thanks ikonia
[16:24] <ikonia> oops, just seen jussi do it
[16:58] <angel__> chanel in spanish please
[16:59] <skafti> Hei i installed kubuntu on my thosiba satellite a100 (old machine) and when i close it it doest hibernate, and itś hot as hell all the time does someone know what i can do
[17:00] <James147> skafti: does it hybernate when you tell it to manually?
[17:08] <SJr> Since yesterday, kate seems to take forever to actually open a file
[17:08] <SJr> like if I go to the file open dialog box, it just hangs
[17:09] <James147> SJr: does it happen with other application
[17:09] <James147> ?
[17:12] <skafti_> kinda turned off actually when i tried it
[17:12] <SJr> Nope just Kate it seems
[17:12] <SJr> kwrite seems fine
[17:13] <SJr> it takes maybe 2 minutes for the file open dialog box to appear
[17:13] <James147> SJr: try testing it on a new user
[17:15] <SJr> that's a good idea
[17:16] <SJr> let me just wait for this to finish
[17:16] <SJr> the log seems to hang on
[17:16] <SJr> kbuildsycoca4(3362) kdemain: Emitting notifyDatabaseChanged ("servicetypes", "xdgdata-mime", "services", "apps")
[17:19] <BluesKaj> SJr, try launching kate from the terminal, then pastebin the output
[17:19] <SJr> Yeah that's what I was doing
[17:19] <SJr> that was the last line
[17:19] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:19] <SJr> II gave up on the last run
[17:19] <abhishek> .
[17:20] <SJr> I gave up on trying to see any more output
[17:20] <SJr> new users seem to work
[17:20] <BluesKaj> SJr, run sudo updatedb
[17:21] <SJr> running
[17:21] <James147> SJr: if the new user works then try renaming kates config file: ~/.kde/share/config/katerc    it will reset kate to the default settings
[17:22] <SJr> I love you James147 :)
[17:23] <James147> :) most of the time its a bad config file
[17:23] <SJr> Yeah I thought of that
[17:23] <SJr> but I renamed the wrong file
[17:23] <SJr> I renamed it in /apps/
[17:24] <SJr> Okay, so the next question is why does Kubuntu keep wanting to update packages I've marked as blocked
[17:24] <James147> SJr: :) that tends to store aplication data rather then settings
[17:24] <James147> marked as blocked in what?
[17:24] <SJr> the dpkg database or whatever
[17:25] <BluesKaj> SJr, then back as the default user , run sudo updatedb
[17:25] <SJr> yeah I already did BluesKaj
[17:25] <BluesKaj> ok good
[17:25] <SJr> what was the point of that?
[17:26] <James147> ^^ as far as I know it updates the database used by locate... not sure what else uses it though, BluesKaj?
[17:26] <SJr> yeah it doesn't seem to be relevant
[17:27] <BluesKaj> well, this was part of the output seems relavent to the db  "kdemain: Emitting notifyDatabaseChanged"
[17:27] <SJr> yeah
[17:29] <James147> BluesKaj: not sure t was refering to the updatedb? ^^ that sounds like the signal notifyData.... was emitted by something, meaning the database had already changed :)   ... but signals are a qt thing and as far as I know dont have anything to do with updatedb
[17:29] <BluesKaj> whwn the database changes ,it occurs to me that might need updating
[17:30] <SJr> yeah
[17:30] <SJr> there is more than one database
[17:30] <anirudh> Is kubuntu better suited to be a server or a personal computer?
[17:30] <James147> BluesKaj: I think that is what that signal is ment to be doing :) telling whom ever cares that the database has changed
[17:30] <SJr> um personal computer exclusively
[17:30] <SJr> UBuntu-Server is what you want
[17:30] <James147> anirudh: computer, ubuntu server is best as a server :)
[17:30] <anirudh> thank you
[17:31] <anirudh> by the way, is there in difference in the kernel between ubuntu and ubuntu server?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> well I use kubuntu as a media server , haven't tried it as awebserver but I assume with lamp install one could configure it to be a server
[17:31] <James147> anirudh: yes, not entirly sure on what thougyh
[17:31] <anirudh> ok
[17:32] <James147> anirudh: but essentially, all *ubuntu editions use the same repos and the only real difference is what is installed by default
[17:33] <James147> anirudh: uubntu server  is set up for most server envrioments and will work best by default in that envrioment
[17:33] <James147> anirudh: where as kubuntu is setup as a desktop pc that uses the kde envroment
[17:33] <James147> (or laptop)
[17:33] <anirudh> James147: ok
[17:34] <James147> anirudh: the main differnce you will find in them is the graphcal interface (o lack of in the case of ubuntu server)
[17:34] <BluesKaj> installed ubuntu-server on this machine and added kubuntu-desktop during the install
[17:56] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Why server?
[18:14] <sresu> James147, BluesKaj, moetunes, I got the notes back. It was hidden with the activities option (right click on desktop) :)
[18:14] <James147> sresu: :D
[18:14]  * sresu can now be happy about exploring KDE
[18:14] <James147> sresu: now would be a good time to back them up then :)
[18:15] <sresu> Yes doing that with basket :)
[18:15] <James147> sresu: dont forget to backup basket as well ;)
[18:15] <sresu> James147, Yes, it was done a moment ago
[18:15] <sresu> James147, Thanks
[18:16] <sresu> James147, What all new you found in KDE 4.5?
[18:16] <James147> sresu: What new thing have I found in kde4.5? ... o I cant remember, its all so old to me now :D
[18:17] <sresu> Hehe
[18:17] <James147> sresu: most notably though, they have rearranged system settings, and made everything more responsive
[18:17] <sresu> James147, Yes
[18:18] <James147> and the notifications have been improved
[18:18] <sresu> James147, Yup
[18:18] <sresu> James147, Got to go... ciao :D
[18:19] <phoenix__> best flash replacement
[18:19] <James147> bye sresu
[18:19] <James147> phoenix__: replacment?
[18:19] <James147> i would say html5 :)
[18:19] <phoenix__> hello james
[18:19] <James147> but that is a developer thing to change, not much you can do but bug the web devs
[18:20] <phoenix__> James147: what to replace adobe flas player plugin
[18:20] <phoenix__> James147: gnash is not working
[18:20] <James147> phoenix__: then purge it and dont use it :) as crap as it is its the best flash player for linux around...
[18:21] <phoenix__> James147: any other alternate?
[18:21] <James147> phoenix__: not really
[18:24] <phoenix__> James147: does mplayer play flv
[18:24] <James147> not sure
[18:31] <peti> hi
[18:32] <James147> Hello peti
[18:38] <JackStoner> is there a way to close some widgets that are not visible on KDE4??
[18:39] <James147> JackStoner: which version of kde4?
[18:39] <JackStoner> im not sure, im quite new in KDE...(gnome user here)
[18:40] <JackStoner> James147: how do i check?
[18:40] <James147> JackStoner: any kde app > help > about kde
[18:41] <JackStoner> its 4.4.2
[18:43] <JackStoner> James147: i had some widgets on my dashboard...and i think something happened and they are not there, i logged out and in but it appears that they are running but they are nowhere to be found
[18:43] <James147> JackStoner: hmm, if i rememver right you can remove all of one type of widget in that version by right clicking the desktop > add widgets > find the widget type you want to remove > click the - button
[18:43] <James147> JackStoner: have you checked on all your activities?
[18:44] <JackStoner> James147: how do i do that?
[18:44] <JackStoner> Sorry, i feel like such a n00b
[18:45] <James147> you should be able to change activities by clicking the cachew (the thing in the corner that looks like half a yin yang symbol) > zoom out > click the zoom in icon on the activity you want to zoom in on....
[18:45] <JackStoner> James147: i'll give it a try
[18:50] <JackStoner> James147: i've removed all activities but 1 (which im using), but the widget still doesnt appear to stop running and its not visible
[18:51] <James147> JackStoner: you could reset plasma-desktop to its default settings (removeing all widgets) by deleting ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
[18:51] <James147> (that is plasma* means all files that begin with plasma)
[18:53] <JackStoner> James147: does that mean my themes and icons will be removed also?
[18:53] <James147> JackStoner: your plasma themes wont be removed but it will default back to oxygen, your icons wont be touched
[18:54] <James147> JackStoner: you can rename the files instead, and rename them back if you want to revert
[18:54] <JackStoner> so since the widgets are under plasma..its the only thing changed? and after deleted what should i next?
[18:56] <JackStoner> James147: rebooting...will return soon
[19:33] <drbobb>  /msg NickServ identify #!/bin/sh
[19:34] <drbobb> WTF
[19:34] <sresu> </msg NickServ identify #!/bin/sh>
[19:34] <drbobb> this is weird
[19:34] <sresu> Remove the space in the beginning
[19:34] <drbobb> there was NO space
[19:35] <James147> there must have been when you sent it ;)
[19:35] <drbobb> I'm using quassel for the first time
[19:35] <drbobb> so I suppose it's just a POS
[19:35] <drbobb> and I must stop using it
[19:35] <dmatt> drbobb: what is POS?
[19:36] <drbobb> piece of sh*t
[19:36] <dmatt> :)
[19:36] <sresu> !ohmy | dmatt
[19:36] <sresu> Sorry
[19:36] <sresu> !ohmy | drbobb
[19:36] <drbobb> well he asked, I answered
[19:36] <dmatt> I am using quassel right now and it is OK
[19:36] <drbobb> and even censored my answer
[19:37] <dmatt> my bad this time
[19:37] <sresu> James147, Would you mind a pm?
[19:37] <drbobb> I see no bad at all
[19:37] <dmatt> drbobb: what was your problem with quassel anyway?
[19:38] <drbobb> some weirdness with slash-commands
[19:38] <drbobb> never mind
[19:39] <drbobb> back on topic, I meant to ask whether grub2 currently supports booting from a LVM volume
[19:39] <James147> thats only because you put a space infrount of it :)  .. i doupt it was quessals doings, its never happened here
[19:40] <drbobb> yeah probably right
[19:41] <dmatt> !grub2
[19:41] <drbobb> so the problem involves selection & copy/paste, not slash commands
[19:41] <James147> drbobb: from what I can see it does, but I have never tried it
[19:41] <sresu> Yes
[19:41] <drbobb> sresu: yes to what?
[19:42] <James147> (from: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-grub2/ -- GRUB 2 supports Linux's forms of RAID and LVM. Thus, you can configure your system with nothing but RAID or LVM partitions.)
[19:42] <drbobb> that I no longer need a separate /boot partition?
[19:42] <sresu> drbobb, <drbobb> so the problem involves selection & copy/paste, not slash commands
[19:43] <drbobb> sresu: yeah I see now, hiighlighting doesn't work the way everybody is used to
[19:43] <drbobb> like if I double click and drag, I doesn't do what I expect
[19:43] <drbobb> s/I/it/
[19:44] <drbobb> any way, great news about grub2
[19:44] <drbobb> although it still is a PITA in several ways
[19:44] <drbobb> oops forgot, family values and so on
[19:45] <drbobb> sorry
[19:45] <James147> :) ... why is it being a pain for you? just works here, better then grub 1 did
[19:45] <dmatt> drbobb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/563895 this was the bug for LVM I suppose, it should be fixed in MM
[19:46] <drbobb> James147: I really can't bring myself to figure out the config system
[19:46] <drbobb> it's way too contrived
[19:46] <James147> ^^ mostly you just edit /etc/default/grub  and run sudo update-grub
[19:47] <drbobb> and I really should cause fixing broken and unbootable linux systems is like part of my job
[19:47] <drbobb> ppl manage to break their systems in multiple & creative ways
[19:49] <drbobb> hey could it be that bug is affecting my lucid system, on my laptop
[19:50] <drbobb> the first grub menu entry won't boot no matter what
[19:50] <drbobb> panics on can't mount root fs
[19:50] <sresu> drbobb, Which laptop/netbook?
[19:50] <drbobb> the second and further entries boot ok
[19:51] <drbobb> sresu: as in what sort of h/w?
[19:51] <drbobb> would that really make a difference?
[19:51] <drbobb> it's an acer aspire, a couple of years old
[19:51] <sresu> drbobb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks
[19:52] <sresu> drbobb, if it helps in any way
[19:52] <drbobb> sresu: is that page even updated any longer?
[19:52] <sresu> drbobb, afaik, Yes
[19:52] <drbobb> this particular laptop has been running ubuntu since breezy
[19:53] <sresu> drbobb, last edited 2010-09-25 12:57:20. I linked that just in case it says about grub issues
[19:54] <drbobb> well I make it work by booting the second entry
[19:55] <drbobb> and in any case, I only reboot once a week or two
[19:55] <drbobb> cause sleep mode works justs fine
[19:56] <drbobb> ok just one more: this crap laptop has a broken cd/dvd
[19:57] <drbobb> is there still some way to boot the install image from the hdd?
[19:57] <sresu> drbobb, You can try LiveUSB
[19:57] <drbobb> sresu: never had much success with that for some reason
[19:57] <drbobb> but I could try, yes
[19:58] <drbobb> it would work faster if possible from hdd though
[19:58] <sresu> drbobb, Or get USB based CD/DVD drive and see if it works
[19:58] <drbobb> I think the last time I did a fresh install I actually used debootstrap
[19:59] <drbobb> sresu: why buy a device I'll most likely never need again
[20:00] <sresu> drbobb, only a suggestion:) Maybe you can borrow :)
[20:00] <drbobb> yeah I won't be able to do that until monday
[20:00] <drbobb> and obviously the weekend is when I have time to fool around
[20:01] <drbobb> I could try to pick up some one-night stand somewhere, but since I'm kinda old for that, I figured I'd try the new kubuntu RC instead ;-D
[20:14] <drbobb> should usb-creator work with an image of the alternate cd?
[20:14] <abhi_> anyone knows how to use logitec100c with ekiga
[20:14] <abhi_> ?
[20:15] <abhi_> am i the onnlllyy oneee.. .... yeaaaahhhh!
[20:15] <abhi_> ???
[20:34] <drbobb> how's the status of support for broadcom wireless in maverick?
[20:42] <drbobb> hmm it looks like kde is giving me an incorrect low-space notification, it disagrees with what df says
[20:45] <elcuco> can anyone recommend a good mp3 audio ripper?
[20:53] <vivek40> Hi i am buying a lenovo ideapad s10 3t tomo. It is supposed to a tablet netbook and has touchscreen abilities. i want to know if Kubuntu's netbook edition will work out of the box on it > there seems to be thread about this on the ubuntu forums but does not talk much or anything about running kubuntu on the device
[20:53] <Peace-> vivek40: try it with a live cd
[20:53] <Peace-> with alive cd you can test it without touch your HD
[20:54] <Peace-> !livecd
[20:54] <vivek40> I cant use a live cd on it without buying it Peace: and I wont buy it if it does not work on it. It comes loaded with win 7 and no way I am goin to use that crap
[20:54] <Peace-> buy?
[20:54] <vivek40> Peace: so it is a round robin situation
[20:55] <vivek40> Peace: buy means buying the netbook
[20:55] <Peace-> yea yea
[20:55] <Peace-> i didn't read before well
[20:55] <Peace-> well...
[20:55] <vivek40> Peace: no prob
[20:56] <Peace-> the best thing you can do it's try kubuntu ion device some sellers
[20:56] <Peace-> have not problem with livecd
[20:56] <Peace-> but if you can't
[20:56] <Peace-> you should know which video audio card it has
[20:56] <Peace-> for the touch screen ...
[20:56] <vivek40> Peace:ok ...
[20:56] <Peace-> that is the big issue
[20:57] <Peace-> just a moment i would like serach
[20:57] <Peace-> better
[20:57] <vivek40> could you tell me how could I get to know that.. I am sure the sellers here wont even have an idea
[20:57] <vivek40> Peace:yeah I would search too
[20:58] <Peace-> vivek40: i have found meego shoudl work on it
[20:58] <Peace-> so...
[20:58] <Peace-> i guess it should work
[20:58] <Peace-> meego it's a debian ....
[20:58] <Peace-> soo...
[20:58] <Peace-> xD
[20:58] <vivek40> Peace:what is this meego
[20:58] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:58] <Peace-> vivek40: it's a distro based on debian that nokia and intel had developed
[20:58] <Peace-> for tablet netpc
[20:59] <Peace-> http://liliputing.com/2010/05/meego-linux-1-0-released-for-netbooks-video.html
[20:59] <vivek40> Peace: oh so you mean Kubuntu netbook will work on it
[20:59] <Peace-> vivek40: i guess yes
[20:59] <Peace-> guesss
[21:00] <Peace-> *guess*
[21:00] <vivek40> Peace:Then why are the Ubuntu guys running a thread on it for months and still have issues.. sorry to bother
[21:00] <lieuwe> this is probably the wrong place to ask, but amarok stops playing after one song, even tho i have ~300 songs in my playlist
[21:01] <Peace-> vivek40: oh sorry
[21:01] <Peace-> vivek40:  Some folks have asked how MeeGo works on a touchscreen device. Turns out that while there is a build for the Nokia N900 with touchscreen support, there are no touchscreen drivers fro the netbook version of MeeGo yet. I tested it on a Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t and while the touchpad worked just fine, touching the screen did nothing at all.
[21:01] <vivek40> lieuwe:I had this problem too, but i solved it , i dont remember how though, was something to do with settings
[21:01] <vivek40> Peace:hmmmm .. so
[21:01] <vivek40> it might not work
[21:01] <Peace-> vivek40: that meand no driver for touchscreen
[21:01] <Peace-> :S
[21:02] <vivek40> sounds bad , the device looks kinda cool
[21:02] <Peace-> i suggest to wait for a while
[21:02] <Peace-> vivek40: you can send a mail to lenovo
[21:03] <Peace-> company and try to ask them if they know something
[21:03] <vivek40> Peace: would they tell me how to make kubuntu work on their sys
[21:03] <lieuwe> vivek40: guessed that yeah
[21:04] <vivek40> sorry lieuwe: held up in my own issues as of now.but just give me 10-15 minutes, I need time to come out of this heartbreak i just had
[21:04] <Peace-> vivek40: if a linux distro works it should work on kubuntu
[21:04] <Peace-> vivek40: remmeber that if ubuntu works kubuntu will
[21:04] <Peace-> lieuwe: version of amarok?
[21:05] <vivek40> looks like ubuntu 10.10 is working out of the box on it but still has issues , but i would love to see that lovely plasma screen on my netbook , Peace:
[21:05] <lieuwe> Peace-: eh, dunno, lemme check
[21:06] <Peace-> vivek40: kernel is the same on ubuntu and in kubuntu
[21:06] <Peace-> so...
[21:06] <lieuwe> Peace-: 2.3.0
[21:06] <vivek40> yeah thanks Peace:
[21:06] <Peace-> lieuwe: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=85235
[21:08] <Peace-> folks here in italy it's time to go out
[21:08] <Peace-> so... seee yeaaaa
[21:47] <drbobb> ok now I know why I never used a usb stick for installation: usb-creator is broken, has been broken for a long time, and remains broken still
[21:48] <drbobb> it just does not work
[21:50] <drbobb> funny isn't it? such a severe bug has been open and unfixed for many months now
[22:16] <dmatt> drbobb: funny it worked for me
[22:26] <simo163> hello
[22:26] <simo163> i use kmail or evolution but i can't see all my message
[22:26] <simo163> in my inbox
[22:26] <simo163> any solution ?
[22:27] <eugenekorpan> hello everyone
[22:28] <eugenekorpan> Have a small question. Where can i download drivers from for matherboard?
[22:28] <simo163> Hii! i use kmail and evolution but i can't see all my message in my inbox
[22:30] <simo163> someone know how fix this ?
[22:31] <simo163> Hii! i use kmail and evolution but i can't see all my message in my inbox
[22:32] <JaSoN369> hello all
[22:34] <simo163> Hii! i use kmail and evolution but i can't see all my message in my inbox
[22:44] <megadevil> hello!
[22:44] <megadevil> anyone here? :)
[22:47] <JaSoN369> im new here but here
[22:48] <megadevil> hehe
[22:48] <megadevil> I have  a problem installing 32 bit version on some machines
[22:49] <megadevil> some install
[22:49] <megadevil> other say it expected x86_64
[22:49] <kb_> Anyone here know anything about the apache mod_chroot module
[22:50] <megadevil> kb_: sorry I dont
[22:50] <JaSoN369> i thought x86 was 32 bit
[22:50] <megadevil> well it says expected x86 but found pentium 4
[22:51] <megadevil> something like that
[22:51] <megadevil> and pentium 4 is 32 bits, no??
[22:51] <JaSoN369> yes
[22:51] <megadevil> hum... maybe a bios bug
[22:52] <JaSoN369> check and see if theres a bios update
[22:52] <JaSoN369> that fixed a problem i had a while back
[22:52] <megadevil> If I could pass some parameter on the boot menu, so the kernel wouldn't check 32 bits
[22:55] <JaSoN369> megadevil: sorry if im not much help but im new to kbuntu and having trouble myself
[22:55] <megadevil> hehe
[22:56] <megadevil> you don't have to apologise ;)
[22:56] <megadevil> I have to thank you for trying
[22:56] <JaSoN369> u now much about it
[23:08] <JaSoN369> does anyone why when i install kbuntu 8.10 the first boot goes through fine and i can log in but after a restart  i get a text screen to login in to terminal --im stuck at that
[23:11] <coz_> hey guys.. well I have both ubuntu and kubuntu installed...running compiz of course... stll dual monitor wallpaper rendering is  non funtional  and also this   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/kubuntu.png  when dragging a folder from primary monitor to secondary
[23:11] <coz_> anyone know if kde has fixed the dual monitor wallpaper rendering issues?
[23:19] <James147> coz_: your running compiz inside kde?
[23:25] <coz_> James147,  yes  but the issue is dual monitor wallpaper
[23:26] <coz_> James147,  interesting question though...why wouldnt you think I would be running compiz on kde?
[23:28] <James147> coz_: because kwin is better intergrated and can do most of whatat compiz can
[23:28] <coz_> James147,  well I am going to disagree... i prefer compiz  over kwin  by a large margin
[23:29] <coz_> howevr... still  kde  is not working well on dual monitors ...cannot stretch or "span" the wallpaper over and onto the secondary monitor
[23:29] <v3nd3tta> !mumble
[23:30] <v3nd3tta> !murmur
[23:30] <v3nd3tta> !pulseaudio
[23:30] <coz_> this doesn make for a sensible workspace...  any workarounds for this?
[23:30] <James147> coz_: what graphics card do you have?
[23:30] <coz_> James147,  nvidia  7600GT
[23:30] <James147> coz_: with the nvidia drivers?
[23:30] <coz_> yes
[23:31] <James147> coz_: twinview or seprate screens?
[23:31] <coz_> twinview
[23:31] <James147> coz_: well, its working here fine, with kwin
[23:31] <James147> under that setup
[23:32] <James147> have you tried kwin to see if that works (will tell you if its compiz or not)?
[23:32] <coz_> James147,  on dual monitors  a single wallpaper is "spanned"  onto secondary monitor ?  not dubplicated?
[23:32] <James147> coz_: in kde its ment to be dulicated... well, not duplicated, but a seperate wall papaer (it can be the same or different)
[23:33] <coz_> James147,   yeah that is the problem...
[23:33] <coz_> James147,  I want a single wallpaper spanned across both monitors
[23:33] <coz_> James147,   gnome has taken a similar approach however on gnome I can edit an image to the resolution of combined monitors and it spans well however on kde it doesn seem to work that way
[23:33] <James147> coz_: I presonally dont see the point in a stretched wall papaer, then the only ones that look and good are the ones designed for two screens, but then I ahve to ask why you cant just have two seprate wallpapaers...
[23:34] <James147> coz_: you could try splitting the image in two and displaying each half on either screen
[23:34] <James147> thats about the only way I think is possible
[23:34] <coz_> James147,    that doesn work
[23:34] <coz_> James147,  this used to work on kde  prior to this version as I recall
[23:35] <James147> coz_: which version?
[23:35] <coz_> James147,  I dont see the sense of NOt having the span option
[23:35] <coz_> James147,  early 4.0
[23:35] <James147> coz_: it has always worked here and still does
[23:36] <coz_> James147,  no it has changed dramatically  since early 4.0   dual monitor span is no longer available and was hoping there was a work around or plans to re incorporate that otherwise kde is useless to me
[23:36] <coz_> so I am guessing this is not going to change...well ok  I will use kde only for testing compiz   ....  thanks
[23:36] <jesus_> hola
[23:40] <v3nd3tta> hey James147... someone on gentoo (+kde 4.5.1) has problems with mic input... does pulseaudio solve the issue?
[23:41] <James147> v3nd3tta: I have no clue :p
[23:41] <v3nd3tta> kk me 2
[23:41] <James147> only way to know is to try it :)
[23:57] <dmatt> hi guys, could anybody try and confirm https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253078 ?


[12:07] <dilinger> jbailey: is there any docs for hooks and scripts, or am i reading the shell? :)
[12:07] <dilinger> s/for/for creating/
[12:09] <jbailey> There's a HACKING file in there.
[12:09] <jbailey> It doesn't tell you much, though.  Feel free to improve it. =0
[12:10] <dilinger> hehe, ok
[01:00] <zul> heylo
[01:07] <jbailey> Heya Chuck
[01:16] <zul> hey jeff how is it going?
[01:17] <jbailey>      In a conforming program, this register contains a function pointer
[01:17] <jbailey> %edx
[01:17] <jbailey>      that the application should register with atexit(BA_OS). This
[01:17] <jbailey>      function is used for shared object termination code [see Dynamic
[01:17] <jbailey>      Linking in Chapter 5 of the System V ABI] .
[01:17] <jbailey> zul: This is what I'm reading a tm.
[01:17] <jbailey> I'm not sure if I'm doing well or doing poorly. =)
[01:17] <zul> sounds exciting...im going crazy the project i was working on went live yesterday
[01:17] <zul> 4 hospitals...fun fun...but its calming down
[01:18] <zul> re-installing ubuntu on my server
[01:18] <zul> another 14 hospitals will be joining in 3 months
[01:47] <jbailey> Nice!
[01:52] <zul> stressful though
[01:53] <zul> but more time for ubuntu now
[01:59] <zul> brb...need to check on the servers though
[02:13] <zul> meh..
[02:17] <zul> i love it when a standard is not followed
[02:31] <BenC> standards are for pussies
[02:31] <zul> thanks..
[02:33] <zul> BenC: get_wireless_stats have changed so alot of external network cards are going to get the a message like in bug #20498
[02:33] <zul> im going to see if upstream has the changes if not make a patch..
[02:33] <BenC> ok
[02:35] <zul> if i could only spell
[02:35] <BenC> that message is harmless
[02:35] <BenC> I get it with my rt2500 driver aswell, and it is working fine
[02:36] <zul> hmm...then it must be something else
[02:36] <zul> im going to fix it anyways
[02:36] <BenC> wish hostap had a usb interface
[02:37] <BenC> hostap_{cs,pci} seem to be doing well replacing prism2 versions
[02:37] <zul> i swear to god everytime i open something the guinea pig thinks its going to be feed
[02:37] <BenC> lol
[02:41] <zul> it even has a big fat ass carrot that its chewing on..
[02:44] <zul> fabbione: you are up early
[02:45] <fabbione> zul: yeah we have a meeting in 15 minutes
[02:45] <zul> oh goody
[02:49] <zul> BenC: did anyone try the linux-image-server-lowend yet?
[02:52] <BenC> not that I know of
[02:52] <zul> heh lets try it
[02:53] <fabbione> BenC: are you planning to rename them, don't you?
[02:53] <BenC> yeah, already done in git
[02:54] <fabbione> ok
[02:54] <fabbione> i will start testing them on the next upload
[02:54] <fabbione> not that i have -bigiron
[02:54] <fabbione> but well
[02:54] <BenC> it should boot on common 686 hardware, but it's not optimal
[02:54] <BenC> I need to do comparable amd64 images too
[02:55] <fabbione> we will need server images for all arches mostlikely
[02:55] <fabbione> i mean.. if there is a reason to have them
[02:55] <zul> BenC: it boots at least
[02:56] <BenC> ppc doesn't need them, and ppc64 supports everything it can
[02:56] <BenC> sparc64 doesn't need it, and neither does ia64 or hppa, that I know of
[02:56] <fabbione> perfect
[02:56] <BenC> maybe a -server for each one, but that's about it
[02:56] <fabbione> that's great
[02:57] <BenC> just with HZ=100, and all preempt disabled
[02:57] <fabbione> yeah
[02:57] <fabbione> that's what i was thinking about
[02:57] <fabbione> we need to talk with Benh soon
[02:57] <fabbione> he is preparing some patches for quad-g5
[02:57] <fabbione> that's not actually supported in the standard kernels
[02:57] <fabbione> that's something people will want to use with dapper
[03:14] <calc> fabbione: wrt udev and sysfs root block detection is there a place to note which drivers are broken?
[03:15] <calc> fabbione: i noticed you mentioned something about udev in your report
[03:15] <fabbione> calc: ????
[03:16] <fabbione> no i think you are confusing things around a bit
[03:16] <calc> yaird builds its initramfs and includes drivers based on the data in sysfs
[03:16] <calc> ah ok
[03:16] <fabbione> no it's a completely differnt thing
[03:16] <calc> ok
[03:16] <fabbione> in short
[03:16] <calc> was just noting that some drivers don't work with sysfs detection since they don't register with sysfs properly
[03:16] <fabbione> assume you install on a USB stick
[03:16] <fabbione> that you move around
[03:17] <fabbione> the device changes name
[03:17] <calc> ah cool
[03:17] <fabbione> so be able to mount root and the rest
[03:17] <fabbione> without binding to a specifc device name
[03:17] <calc> so it uses a magic id on the root block that is contained in the initramfs?
[03:18] <fabbione> no, we will use new udev properties
[03:18] <fabbione> like /dev/disc/by-uuid/
[03:18] <fabbione> or /dev/disc/by-lable
[03:18] <fabbione> label
[03:18] <fabbione> that are symlinks to the real device name
[03:19] <fabbione> and they are generated at boot
[03:19] <fabbione> so you have a unique way to identify them
[03:19] <fabbione> even if the device changes names
[03:19] <calc> cool
[03:20] <calc> label sometimes could break if not unique, eg putting another / in to copy old data from
[03:20] <calc> iirc redhat used to just use "/" or something for root which caused issues
[03:21] <fabbione> no we are not going to use LABELS everywhere
[03:21] <fabbione> we are targetting uuid
[03:22] <fabbione> if uuid is not available, then generate a pseudo uuid strlen(LABEL)
[03:22] <fabbione> and use that one
[03:23] <calc> ok
[03:24] <calc> sounds good
[03:29] <fabbione> BenC: if you have time can you gimme access to your sparc?
[03:29] <fabbione> if you can just enable the account and sudo i will take care of the rest myself
[03:29] <BenC> I'm having problems punching a hole through this damn satellite modem :/
[03:29] <fabbione> ah
[03:29] <fabbione> if you have a linux gw in the middle, just use redir and tell me the non standard port
[03:30] <fabbione> it doesn't need to be 22 ;)
[03:30] <BenC> I have a static IP, but It's all private network inside (NAT), and there doesn't seem to be a way to tell the modem to port forward
[03:31] <fabbione> BenC: ok.. we can work on that easily
[03:31] <fabbione> i can run a vtun server instance here and we can play private tunnels
[03:31] <BenC> don't understand the point of allowing me to get a static IP if it wont let me get connections
[03:31] <BenC> not sure how well that will work over this hellish latency
[03:31] <BenC> hold on
[03:32] <fabbione> it works pretty well.. latency isn't an issue and vtun does his job of re-establishing connections if it dies
[03:32] <fabbione> sure
[03:33] <BenC> ok, how do we setup vtun?
[03:34] <fabbione> i will prepare the configs and send it to you...
[03:34] <BenC> installing vtun package now
[03:34] <fabbione> it's very simple
[03:34] <fabbione> i will be server and you client
[03:34] <BenC> ok
[03:34] <fabbione> since you are the one that needs to make holes in the modem
[03:34] <BenC> right
[03:34] <fabbione> i don't remember all the details right now.
[03:34] <fabbione> i will have to check them again
[03:34] <fabbione> but that's basically how it works:
[03:34] <fabbione> server listen on tcp port
[03:35] <fabbione> client connect to server, auth, etc.
[03:35] <fabbione> if everything matches they run an ifconfig on a tun device
[03:35] <fabbione> that's it
[03:35] <fabbione> pvt networks
[03:35] <fabbione> what address space do you use at home?
[03:35] <fabbione> because we need to avoid clashing
[03:36] <BenC> <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[03:36] <fabbione> ergh.. ok
[03:36] <fabbione> i have the same net here
[03:36] <fabbione> so if i use a <IP_ADDRESS> would be ok for you?
[03:37] <BenC> make my network <IP_ADDRESS>/32 :)
[03:37] <BenC> yeah
[03:37] <fabbione> that's just for the p2p
[03:38] <fabbione> once we can ping the tunnel, i can jump via it to the sparc directly or something
[03:59] <BenC> staying up to get this configured?
[04:00] <fabbione> yeah
[04:00] <fabbione> why not
[04:00] <fabbione> let me file a bug and let's do it
[04:00] <BenC> ok
[04:06] <mjg59> Oh rock
[04:09] <mjg59> BenC: After getting comments from -ide, I may have some patches for you...
[04:09] <BenC> sweet
[04:09] <mjg59> BenC: Also, this should work on any of the libata PATA drivers
[04:09] <mjg59> Hence my interest in them :)
[04:09] <jbailey> Anyone here know where the userspace setup code is for a new process on powerpc?
[04:10] <BenC> crt0.o, or do you mean task creation in the kernel?
[04:10] <jbailey> Task creation in the kernel.  On ppc, crt0.o's first function seems to get started with %r7 set incorrectly.
[04:11] <jbailey> Troubleshooting a klibc segfault.
[04:11] <BenC> let me look...
[04:11] <jbailey> Thanks.
[04:12] <fabbione> BenC: 192.168.0.something would be ok for you?
[04:12] <jbailey> To make life more fun, I'm on a ppc64 kernel with a 32 bit userspace klibc.
[04:12] <fabbione> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:12] <fabbione> i forgot i have allocated .0.0/24 for p2p and tunnels :)
[04:12] <BenC> nah, my network looks like internet-><IP_ADDRESS>/24-><IP_ADDRESS>/24
[04:13] <fabbione> ok
[04:13] <fabbione> no problem
[04:13] <BenC> between my sat modem and AP is <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[04:13] <fabbione> 192.168.2. it is
[04:13] <BenC> I'd change, but I have 12 systems on <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[04:13] <fabbione> that's all right
[04:13] <fabbione> don't worry
[04:22] <zul> night guys
[04:25] <BenC> good night zul
[04:25] <jbailey> BenC: Setting up VPN to your farm?
[04:25] <BenC> yeah, fabbione wants to reach out and touch a cow
[04:26] <fabbione> zul: night
[04:26] <fabbione> BenC: yeah i am almost done
[04:26] <jbailey> You should remind him that your cows are better poker players than he is.  You had to practice with *someone* out there.
[04:26] <jbailey> g'n zul =)
[04:26] <BenC> fabbione: even logged into a machine that was colo'd in a barn? :)
[04:26] <BenC> lol
[04:26] <fabbione> ahahha
[04:27] <BenC> just 30 feet from your shell, is a steaming cow pie
[04:27] <fabbione> lovely
[04:27] <fabbione> i love cows :)
[04:28] <fabbione> BenC: mail with config is on the way
[04:28] <BenC> ok
[04:29] <fabbione> time for a smoke :)
[04:30] <jbailey> BenC: I need to go pass out.  Can I catch up with you tomorrow on the %r7 weirdness?
[04:30] <BenC> yeah
[04:30] <jbailey> Cool, thanks.
[04:30] <BenC> good night
[04:30] <jbailey> g'n all. =)
[04:34] <fabbione> night jeff
[04:36] <fabbione> BenC: got the mail?
[04:38] <fabbione> yup
[04:38] <fabbione> the tunnel is up
[04:38] <BenC> tag, you're it :)
[04:39] <BenC> sparcbuildd is the user
[04:39] <fabbione> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:39] <fabbione> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[04:39] <fabbione> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1127 ms
[04:39] <fabbione> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=993 ms
[04:39] <fabbione> is the tunnel terminated on the e3k?
[04:39] <BenC> yeah
[04:39] <BenC> ssh directly to iy
[04:39] <fabbione> perfect
[04:39] <fabbione> testing now
[04:40] <fabbione> are you running iptables on that machine?
[04:40] <BenC> no
[04:41] <BenC> I can't ping you anymore
[04:41] <fabbione> neither can i
[04:41] <fabbione> hmm
[04:42] <fabbione> there it is
[04:42] <fabbione> connection is shaky
[04:42] <BenC> ok, restarted it
[04:42] <fabbione> seems to work now
[04:42] <BenC> latency really sucks on this sat
[04:42] <fabbione> no problem.. i can live with that
[04:43] <fabbione> yes i am in
[04:43] <BenC> 1500ms ave
[04:43] <BenC> cool, your chroot is thee
[04:43] <BenC> create chroots in /org/chroots/
[04:43] <fabbione> ok
[04:43] <BenC> 222G free, so plenty of room
[04:43] <fabbione> do i have sudo access?
[04:43] <fabbione> perfect
[04:43] <fabbione> way too much
[04:43] <BenC> yeah
[04:44] <BenC> if the vtun is down, it will mean I am debugging :)
[04:44] <fabbione> thanks dude
[04:44] <fabbione> sure
[04:44] <fabbione> that works for me
[04:44] <BenC> np
[04:45] <fabbione> i feel your IRC pain ;)
[04:46] <BenC> good thing is I started using xchat instead of ssh'ing to a shell and using bitchx
[04:46] <BenC> that did suck
[04:46] <fabbione> oh yeah
[04:46] <fabbione> i remember when ops.l.o was constantly under attack
[04:46] <fabbione> i could barely ssh to it
[04:47] <BenC> yeah, that got ugly for awhile
[04:47] <fabbione> i know..
[04:47] <fabbione> our ISP was cool tho
[04:47] <fabbione> they managed to block the attack at core routers level
[04:47] <BenC> nice
[04:49] <fabbione> let's start to test the toy with gcc-3.4 :)
[04:49] <BenC> burn it up :)
[04:49] <fabbione> oh i will
[04:49] <fabbione> eheh
[04:50] <BenC> ccache is installed, so try to bind mount it
[04:50] <fabbione> oh nice
[04:50] <BenC>  /org/ccache is my cache
[04:50] <fabbione> where do you store the ccache?
[04:50] <fabbione> hmm
[04:50] <fabbione> there might permission problems
[04:51] <BenC> anyway to share it?
[04:51] <BenC> ah, just make your own and bind mount it :)
[04:51] <fabbione> right
[04:52] <fabbione> but i am sure how that can help you
[04:53] <fabbione> there is quite high pkt loss
[04:53] <fabbione> vtun is starving again
[04:55] <fabbione> let see if it can come up again by itself
[04:56] <BenC> may need to put a ping check script on it to restart when it dies
[04:56] <fabbione> vtun should be able to notice that itself
[04:56] <fabbione> that's why i want to wait a bit
[04:56] <fabbione> it has a 60 sec timeout
[04:57] <fabbione> actually
[04:57] <fabbione> i forgot to add it to the configs :/
[04:58] <fabbione> can you add:
[04:58] <fabbione> timeout 60;
[04:58] <fabbione> in the session part?
[04:58] <fabbione> and restart vtun please?
[05:03] <fabbione> interesting
[05:03] <fabbione> it comes up..
[05:03] <fabbione> but it looks like it dies very very fast
[05:04] <BenC> ok
[05:06] <fabbione> here is up again now
[05:06] <fabbione> did you touch anything?
[05:06] <BenC> restarted it
[05:06] <fabbione> ok
[05:06] <BenC> added the timeout too
[05:06] <fabbione> let see if that helps
[05:25] <fabbione> it seems more stable now
[10:26] <CataEnry> hi :)
[11:43] <CataEnry> bye
[01:28] <nomed> hi all
[01:28] <nomed> i would post an issue about tg3 module
[01:28] <nomed> there are some cards that don't work ..
[01:29] <nomed> what's strange is that using an hoary kernel this issue is not present
[01:29] <nomed> it really seems a breezy-dapper issue ..
[01:29] <nomed> even using a vanilla kernel there aren't problems
[01:30] <crimsun> you'll need to file a proper bug report with a lot more detailed info
[01:31] <nomed> what info will you need ..
[01:31] <nomed> ?
[01:31] <nomed> do you apply any patch to that module ?
[01:32] <nomed> and what can be the reason for which using hoary kernel this issue is not present and even using a vanilla kernel?
[01:32] <nomed> it happens just with breezy and dapper kernels ..
[02:46] <CataEnry> hi :)
[03:03] <zul> morning
[03:14] <jbailey> Heya Chuck!
[03:47] <dilinger> jbailey: do i get whipped with some form of wet pasta for using _log_msg in an initramfs script?
[03:48] <dilinger> i just want to spit out some information to the user, but w/out any warning/being/done/etc prefix
[03:48] <jbailey> Eh, depends if you'd like the whipping or not, I guess.
[03:48] <jbailey> I don't see any real problem with it.  If it's in the initramfs it should be generally safe to use.
[03:52] <dilinger> jbailey: cool, ok
[03:52] <infinity> dilinger : Other than the fact that users think is "icky" or even "scary" to see a _msg without an _end_msg, I don't care.
[03:52] <dilinger> infinity: please use clean pasta, not the stuff i've already doused w/ cheese or spaghetti sauce
[03:53] <jbailey> What about pesto?
[03:53] <infinity> Spaghetti sauce stings when it gets in the cuts.
[03:53] <dilinger> that green stuff never comes out of your skin
[03:54] <infinity> dilinger : I'd be inclined to say that if it's informational, but the user doesn't really NNED to know it's happening (with a success or failure), it should be guarded in a VERBOSE check.
[03:54] <infinity> s/NNED/NEED/
[03:55] <infinity> Same goes for all init scripts, really, nothing special about initramfs.
[03:55] <dilinger> doesn't _log_msg do that implicitly?
[03:55] <dilinger>     if [ "$quiet" = "y" ] ; then return; fi
[03:58] <infinity> Oh, so it does.
[03:59] <infinity> I really should rewrite that stuff to look like the LSB things in Debian/Ubuntu.
[03:59] <infinity> I only boot with usplash these days, so I forgot the tty output is different.
[04:00] <dilinger> jbailey: btw, i dunno if you've already seen it, but makx has some good documentation in his initramfs tree
[04:01] <jbailey> dilinger: Ah, handy.  Perhaps the new initramfs-tools maintainer will see fit to merge those in.
[04:01] <jbailey> *ahem*
[04:01] <dilinger> jbailey: i dunno, i hear he's real negligent about updating his packages.  you should take them over.
[04:01] <dilinger> ;p
[04:01] <jbailey> ACtually, hmm.
[04:01] <jbailey> Don't you have main upload rights?
[04:01] <infinity> I'm planning on making a date with Max next week to run down our diffs.
[04:02] <infinity> But I'd be happy to have dilinger in on it.
[04:02] <infinity> We've worked passably well together in the past. :)
[04:02] <makx> :)
[04:03] <mjg59> infinity: VGA16FB?
[04:03] <dilinger> jbailey: me?  depends on elmo
[04:03] <infinity> mjg59 : How do you feel about trying to squeeze the world into 350px vertical?
[04:03] <jbailey> dilinger: No, it depends on the techboard.
[04:03] <dilinger> jbailey: i revoked my old key and had Clint ask to get my new one in the keyring (for debian, not ubuntu)
[04:04] <dilinger> for ubuntu, no
[04:04] <infinity> mjg59 : Either he's insane, or I'm insane, but Kamion's informed me that the VGA 25-line screen is 640x350, not 640x400.
[04:06] <mjg59> He's pretty much right, but is there any compelling reason to do that?
[04:07] <infinity> If we're looking for maximum compatibility...
[04:07] <mjg59> The problem isn't that we're using a non-standard screenmode, the problem is that we're overflowing 128K
[04:07] <infinity> I'm fairly certain 640x400 should work all over, but if it doesn't, I don't want to do this switch twice.
[04:08] <mjg59> All the symptoms (bottom 80 lines missing, bottom 80 lines overlap top 80 lines, so on) seem to match the 128K issue
[04:08] <infinity> I agree on that point.
[04:08] <infinity> And I /think/ we'll solve all that with 400px.
[04:08] <infinity> But, I really, really hate being wrong.
[04:09] <infinity> A whole lot.
[04:09] <infinity> Shame I do it so often.
[04:09] <infinity> Anyhow, I'll just bite the bullet and patch shit together tomorrow and see if it at least boots on the one VGA card I have here in the house.
[04:09] <infinity> (Yes, a total of one, WHAT A GREAT TEST)
[04:10] <infinity> Not counting the laptop, since laptop displays will force pretty much anything on your screen without complaint.
[04:10] <mjg59> It's genuinely a 3 line patch
[04:10] <mjg59> You can just grab the timing data out of modedb.c
[04:10] <infinity> Yeah, I know.
[04:10] <infinity> I've been suffering overload.
[04:10] <infinity> But I also have mdz breathing down my neck about this one, so I need to just do it and get it tested.
[04:10] <mjg59> Heh, ok
[04:12] <infinity> Meh.
[04:15] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[04:18] <fabbione> BenC: unping.. ttyl
[04:18] <BenC> ok
[04:44] <mjg59> Hngh.
[04:45] <mjg59> (Also: hngh)
[04:45] <mjg59> Consensus seems to be that I should put this in ACPI rather than in SCSI
[04:46] <mjg59> So, is there any way that I can write a module that will be (a) loaded after scsi, and (b) loaded before any scsi hosts?
[04:46] <mjg59> It seems that it's not acceptable for scsi to have any dependency on the module concerned
[04:57] <BenC> sounds like a job for initramfs
[05:10] <Mithrandir> mjg59: have it depend on scsi and load it in the initramfs, yes.
[05:31] <mjg59> Mithrandir: That works for our case, but it doesn't work in general
[05:31] <mjg59> Which means it wouldn't go upstream
[05:32] <Mithrandir> true
[05:51] <mjg59> Hmm. I guess I can do /this/...
[06:07] <crimsun> hey, neat. My external cdrw no longer floods printks
[06:07] <mjg59> ARGH.
[06:07] <mjg59> No I can't.
[07:02] <lamont> BenC: new gnu-efi uploaded to debian last night, new elilo imminent.
[07:02] <lamont> once those hit ubuntu, you should be good to go for playing with initramfs
[07:02] <BenC> new elilo means initramfs support?
[07:02] <mdz> so given a git tree, how do I roll it back to an older revision?
[07:02] <BenC> sweet
[07:02] <BenC> mdz: git-checkout <commitish>
[07:03] <mdz> lamont: why does elilo need to know the difference between initrd and initramfs?
[07:03] <BenC> where commitish is a commit sha1 id
[07:03] <lamont> mdz: elilo had a bug in how it handled the image.  didn't matter for initrd, fatal for initramfs
[07:03] <BenC> mdz: apt-get install git- git-core
[07:03] <mdz> BenC: mjg59 has asked me to try an older 2.6.15 with HOTPLUG_CPU and see how long ago suspend broke
[07:04] <lamont> specifically, it passed in NUMPAGES*sizeof(PAGE) instead of the true byte-length of the image.
[07:04] <mdz> what would be a good value for commitish to start with?
[07:04] <BenC> mdz: hold a sec
[07:05] <BenC> mdz: git-log
[07:05] <BenC> and look for "Linux v2.6.14"
[07:05] <BenC> use that commit to start
[07:05] <BenC> if it works, then you can use git-bisect to find the commit that broke it
[07:06] <BenC> if you need help with git-bisect, let me know, it's pretty easy once you start it
[07:10] <zul> heylo
[07:11] <mdz> mizar:[...ce/tmp/mdz/linux/ubuntu-2.6]  git-checkout 741b2252a5e14d6c60a913c77a6099abe73a854a
[07:11] <mdz> git checkout: you need to specify a new branch name
[07:11] <BenC> hey chuck
[07:11] <BenC> did you get the git-core?
[07:11] <zul> hey ben
[07:11] <mdz> yep
[07:11] <BenC> ...
[07:12] <mdz> ii  git-core       0.99.9k-1      stupid content tracker
[07:12] <BenC> git-branch mdz_test 741b2252a5e14d6c60a913c77a6099abe73a854a
[07:12] <mdz> usage: git checkout [-f]  [-b <new_branch>]  [<branch>]  [<paths>...]
[07:12] <BenC> git-checkout mdz_test
[07:13] <mdz> ok
[07:13] <BenC> git-checkout HEAD to revert back
[07:13] <mdz> that modified by working tree?
[07:13] <mdz> s/by/my/
[07:13] <BenC> no, just adds a pointer
[07:13] <BenC> the checkout will change the files though, but not commit any changes
[07:13] <jbailey> lamont, mdz: initramfs' are sensitive to garbage at the end of the image, initrd's (cramfs') are not.  This is why initramfs doesn't work when loaded from xfs on ppc as well - yaboot bug.
[07:13] <mdz> I did the checkout
[07:14] <mdz> so my working tree should now be at 741b2252a5e14d6c60a913c77a6099abe73a854a?
[07:14] <BenC> check Makefile to make sure it is correct
[07:14] <BenC> yes
[07:14] <BenC> should be 2.6.14 instead of 2.6.15-rc5-ubuntu1
[07:14] <mdz> VERSION = 2
[07:14] <mdz> PATCHLEVEL = 6
[07:14] <mdz> SUBLEVEL = 14
[07:14] <mdz> EXTRAVERSION =
[07:14] <mdz> NAME=Affluent Albatross
[07:14] <BenC> success!
[07:15] <mdz> hmm, I don't have a debian/ dir though
[07:16] <mdz> where can I get one which is likely to work with this tree?
[07:17] <BenC> I don't use the debian dir for that
[07:17] <BenC> just do a config and build out of the main directory
[07:18] <BenC> make-kpkg if you want to do packaging though
[07:20] <g47o> sudo :b
[08:32] <chuck_> dang it
[09:07] <fabbione> whoo ooo
[09:07] <fabbione> gcc-3.4 build
[09:08] <zul> on sparc?
[09:08] <fabbione> yup
[09:08] <fabbione> first package on Ben's e3k :)
[09:10] <fabbione> hmm crap
[09:10] <fabbione> the vpn died...
[09:11] <fabbione> BenC: i think as soon as there is no traffic the vpn dies.. that's pretty weird, but workaroundable with a slow ping
[09:11] <fabbione> let see if it restarts automatically
[09:12] <jbailey> BenC: Are you on direcpc?
[09:12] <jbailey> direcway, sorry.
[09:15] <fabbione> session in timeout
[09:15] <fabbione> but it's not coming up
[09:15] <fabbione> damn
[09:23] <fabbione> BenC: can you please restart vtun and start a ping to my ip?
[09:23] <fabbione> it looks like they did change something in vtun code.. it didn't use to timeout this way
[09:24] <fabbione> and the connection is good.. have been connected all day till i did stop top
[09:27] <BenC> jbailey: yeah
[09:27] <BenC> same thing
[09:27] <BenC> fabbione: yeah, hold a sec
[09:27] <fabbione> thanks
[09:27] <fabbione> it's up now
[09:28] <BenC> fabbione: you can use screen if you want to keep the session good
[09:29] <fabbione> i am not sure that helps
[09:30] <fabbione> i think it needs to feel traffic on the tunnel
[09:30] <fabbione> but it's strange. never had this problem with vtun before
[09:35] <fabbione> it died again... BenC: do you usually have bw problems at this time of the day?
[09:35] <fabbione> i wonder if it's just normal pktloss
[09:41] <fabbione> Dec  8 21:27:47 trider-g7 vtund[4460] : Connection reset by peer (104)
[09:57] <BenC> no, everything is usually fine
[09:58] <BenC> I'm getting pings from you still
[09:58] <BenC> ping -i 5 <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:58] <BenC> still going, ave 2200ms
[09:58] <BenC> I think it's latency
[09:59] <BenC> oh, wow, stopped the ping and it said %48 packets lost
[10:00] <fabbione> yeah i think it did recover now
[10:00] <fabbione> i am pinging both sides
[10:00] <fabbione> and uploading gcc to chinstra
[10:00] <fabbione> +p
[10:00] <fabbione> how much outgoing bw do you have?
[10:04] <BenC> 2mbs
[10:04] <BenC> oh, no,
[10:04] <BenC> about 15k/sec
[10:05] <fabbione> ah ok
[10:05] <fabbione> that explains :)
[10:05] <fabbione> i was watching some 100K/sec pics
[10:05] <fabbione> peaks
[10:05] <fabbione> and slowly dieing to 15
[10:05] <fabbione> i thought i was doing something wrong
[10:31] <BenC> how big is your upload?
[10:31] <BenC> that's what's going to hurt me
[10:31] <fabbione> it's gcc-3.4 debs
[10:32] <BenC> * Ping reply from BenC: 11.90 second(s)
[10:32] <fabbione> it's still uploading
[10:32] <fabbione> yeah i can feel that on the tunnel too
[10:32] <fabbione> pings are at 5secs
[10:33] <BenC> for future uploads, can you schedule them for past 10pm, my time?
[10:33] <fabbione> sure..
[10:33] <BenC> thanks
[10:33] <fabbione> if you want i can stop it
[10:33] <BenC> nah, finish it up, it's ok
[10:33] <fabbione> it's not much left tho
[10:33] <fabbione> ok
[10:37] <BenC> mjg59: can you look at #10279 please?
[10:37] <BenC> mjg59: let me know if this should be fixed or not
[10:40] <BenC> this dw7000 router has some stupid NAT
[10:40] <fabbione> linksys?
[10:40] <BenC> it acks my tcp connections immediately when connect to something, and then waits to send me a RST if it fails
[10:41] <BenC> the satellite router
[10:41] <fabbione> yeah what brand is that?
[10:41] <BenC> so if the connections timeout, it always seems like a connection refused
[10:41] <BenC> hughes
[10:41] <fabbione> never heard..
[10:41] <fabbione> did you check if they have new software?
[10:42] <BenC> hughes does most of the directv/direcway hw
[10:42] <BenC> it auto updates itself
[10:42] <BenC> it's the satellite modem/router, I can do nothing with it
[10:42] <fabbione> ah
[10:42] <BenC> runs vxworks, and is locked up nice and tight
[10:42] <fabbione> crap
[10:44] <zul> later
[10:46] <fabbione> BenC: can i use the sparc or do you need to test today?
[10:46] <fabbione> today (as in your day)
[10:58] <jbailey_> BenC: If you get bored sometime soonish, do you feel like chasing the %r7 setup bug on ppc?
[11:00] <fabbione> meh
[11:00] <fabbione> libstdc++6-dbg_3.4.5-1ubuntu3_sparc.deb                                                                            84% 7496KB   2.5KB/s - stalled -Read from remote host chinstrap.ubuntu.com: Connection reset by peer
[11:10] <BenC> fabbione: build away
[11:11] <BenC> jbailey_: if you can email me more information, I can look into it
[11:11] <jbailey_> BenC: Sure.  Unless you happen to know where task setup is done off hand, and I can just dig.
[11:11] <jbailey_> I'm pretty certain I know exactly what the problem is.
[11:12] <BenC> probably in some assembly
[11:12] <jbailey_> Certainly.  The comment in the klibc file says that %r7 isn't used on Linux, despite the fact that it's int he ABI.
[11:12] <BenC> so some .S file in arch/powerpc/ or arch/pcc/
[11:12] <BenC> that's about as close as I can get right now :)
[11:12] <jbailey_> So I think what's happening is that in order to be clever, they've stuff the address to chain to in there instead.
[11:12] <jbailey_> Easy enough, except that klibc is trying to honour it.
[11:12] <jbailey_> *lol*
[11:12] <jbailey_> 'kay.  I'll dig in there.
[11:17] <fabbione> BenC: ok. thanks.
[11:17] <fabbione> good night guys
[11:17] <fabbione> BenC: if the upload still bothers you, just kill the scp
[11:17] <fabbione> no phear :)
[11:17] <BenC> ok
[11:17] <fabbione> cya in a few hours
[11:37] <lamont> Dec  8 15:36:56 localhost kernel: [4296210.923000]  usb 4-4.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 123
[11:37] <lamont> Dec  8 15:36:59 localhost kernel: [4296213.956000]  usb 4-4.2: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[11:37] <lamont> wth does that mean?
[11:44] <lamont> BenC: any thoughts on why the palm TX and the kernel USB subsystem (2.6.12-9-686) only likes each other once?
[11:51] <BenC> nope
[11:51] <BenC> seen errors like that, but never understood why
[11:54] <jbailey> BenC: ABI problem solved.  Linux doesn't follow the SysV ABI.
[11:54] <BenC> ah
 jbailey: have seen the following:
 Contrary to what is stated in the Registers part of chapter 3 of the System V Application Binary Interface PowerPC Processor Supplement there are no values set 79
 in registers r3, r4, r5, r6 and r7. Instead the values specified to appear in all of those 80
 registers except r7 are placed on the stack. The value to be placed into register r7, the 81
 termination function pointer is not passed to the process. 82
[11:56] <BenC> interesting


[00:35] <brousch> i'm using ubuntu with unity
[00:38] <snap-l> And?
[00:38] <brousch> it's working so far
[00:39] <brousch> 4 workspaces is kind of annoying
[00:40] <brousch> and i'm way too used to my mbp multitouch pad
[00:40] <brousch> nipple and tiny touchpad seems barbaric
[00:43] <brousch> forgot all the shortcuts. good thing i saved my cheatsheet
[01:53] <snap-l> Happy happy happy
[01:53] <snap-l> Got our crawlspace relined.
[01:53] <jjesse> yay
[01:55] <snap-l> Yeah, no more cold feet in the AM. ;)
[01:56] <snap-l> That and no dead rats in the crawlspace
[01:56] <snap-l> Always a +
[01:59] <_stink_> hah
[01:59] <_stink_> you weren't saving them?
[01:59] <snap-l> No, I'm afraid not
[02:50] <brousch1> is there a list of geek groups in detroit?
[15:35] <snap-l> Good morning
[19:49] <_stink_> hey folks
[19:57] <jjesse> hiya
[20:56] <snap-l> Howdy
[20:56] <snap-l> Just got done working on the yard
[21:13] <rick_h__> good day for it seems like
[21:17] <snap-l> yeah, was out there with my dad
[21:18] <rick_h__> nice
[21:18] <snap-l> Yeah, he's got all of the equimnent
[21:18] <snap-l> Though I got got the little push mower
[21:19] <snap-l> and it'll be nice
[21:19] <snap-l> Though you need to make sure you get a good run with it
[21:19] <snap-l> otherwise it just bends the grass
[21:19] <rick_h__> heh, haven't tried one of those since I was a kid
[21:21] <snap-l> Yeah, they've modified the tech so it's a little more like a snow-blower
[21:22] <snap-l> rick_h__: You sick?
[21:22] <snap-l> Allergies?
[21:24] <rick_h__> snap-l: think it's strep throat :/
[21:24] <snap-l> Ugh
[21:24] <rick_h__> hit me like a hammer Friday. Felt like a truck ran over my whole body.
[21:24] <snap-l> Seems to be your favorite. :(
[21:25] <rick_h__> heh, well fortunately we went low key. Had some left over antibiotics and the wife checked me out/put me on the meds
[21:26] <rick_h__> so now's a good time to submit my Pyohio talk
[21:26] <snap-l> Coolness
[21:26] <rick_h__> debating on tring to get a 2hr tutorial session
[21:26] <snap-l> What ar eyou planning on presenting?
[21:26] <rick_h__> thinking sqlalchemy
[21:26] <rick_h__> figure I could hand out some sqlite database stuff, and go through beginner/middle for 2hrs
[21:27] <snap-l> Ok, that would be awesome!
[21:27] <rick_h__> yea, I know when i gave a SA talk for work, one hour seemed a bit short to fit things in
[21:27] <rick_h__> but that's a lot more work/prep than a talk...
[22:15] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/786322
[22:15] <snap-l> Would someone confirm?
[22:16] <rick_h__> done
[22:19] <snap-l> tx
[22:56] <brousch> two hours of rick_h__?
[22:56] <brousch> intense
[22:58] <rick_h__> yea, crazy
[22:58] <rick_h__> I might pass out before the end
[22:58] <brousch> pyohio is on the same day as detroit makerthing
[22:58] <brousch> again
[23:00] <rick_h__> bummer
[23:20] <snap-l> Man, I hate Apache
[23:20] <snap-l> rewrite rules need some priority.


[00:55] <brousch> cmaloney: I found Morbid Angel Radio just in time for the OMC hiatus
[03:03] <cmaloney> Whassat?
[03:03] <cmaloney> brousch: Also it's not permanent. I have no intention of OMC's hiatus extending past us figuring out dad-in-law care finances.
[13:51] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> morning :)
[14:06] <_stink_> yo
[14:19] <cmaloney> How goes?
[14:20] <_stink_> forward
[14:20] <_stink_> you?
[14:20] <cmaloney> I think it's going forward but not sure.
[14:42] <wolfger> just kind of drifting side-to-side
[22:38] <cmaloney> Michigan UNIX Users Meeting starting in a few. Head to #mugorg for more details


[17:43] <vish> dashua: haha!! http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Oneiric/17103699_kzzLF6#1296097105_5mDnpdH-A-LB
[17:44] <dashua> vish, Haha nice.
[17:44] <dashua> Looking through them now.
[19:32] <zniavre> im trying first time css style for gnome3
[19:33] <zniavre> it's quite difficult


[18:43] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:50] <Atamira> mornin
[19:11] <ajmitch> morning
[20:12] <thumper> morning


[03:27] <ejat> i dont have specific fs
[08:05] <mwhudson> oh um i guess i should do some live server installer testing
[08:07] <mwhudson> although some enterprising soul has apparently done it
[11:56] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, good morning, what do you think wrt merging alsa-utils? a crash fix is always nice :)
[11:57] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, I was waiting for them to upload 1.1.8, it's prepared in salsa for more than a week
[11:58] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... I wondered if they were going, but freeze is coming
[11:58] <LocutusOfBorg> so, they will probably not upload it
[11:58] <LocutusOfBorg> (or not in unstable)
[11:58] <seb128> k, well we want that version in disco
[11:59] <seb128> I can do the merge/upload
[11:59] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks for caring :)
[11:59] <seb128> thx for pointing out why they are probably not uploading :)
[11:59] <seb128> yw!
[11:59] <LocutusOfBorg> right now the freeze for buster is ongoing, so the outstanding merges can be done easily
[11:59] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm trying to clean up the 130 php merges
[12:00] <LocutusOfBorg> :(
[16:03] <kreyren> Need more info to https://pastebin.com/raw/LL4x817C (recompiling kernel with configuration grabbed from gentoo)
[17:12] <vorlon> cjwatson: (repeating on more appropriate channel) peeked at your approach to the ucf change; AIUI the result of this is that if the user has tried to dpkg-reconfigure and change a setting through debconf, the new value will be ignored
[17:14] <cjwatson> (answered on #ubuntu-meeting, didn't see this until later)
[21:35] <vorlon> cjwatson: I don't have a script for it (is there any reusable code for a script-driven debconf frontend?), but I can confirm that with grub-pc 2.02+dfsg1-10, dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, change the value of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, there is no ucf prompt and also the change does not land in /etc/default/grub
[23:32] <cjwatson> vorlon: OK.  I could try to do something about it, but I'm not very convinced that I care about supporting that method of changing the GRUB config; the filesystem has primacy.  Do you have a specific use case for doing that?
[23:35] <cjwatson> Aside from preseeding, I think that anything that's trying to change the config that way has better and more robust alternatives available
[23:53] <rbasak> I'm not sure what you're talking about exactly, but I'm hopeful you're talking about fixing bug 1747464 and bug 1812752 :)
[23:55] <cjwatson> rbasak: I already fixed the first in Debian and am trying to persuade vorlon to take my fix rather than doing other fragile stuff :)
[23:56] <rbasak> Thanks :)
[23:56] <cjwatson> rbasak: I'm not especially convinced about changing the latter - it could easily end up making the logic even more complicated and therefore worse
[23:57] <rbasak> I admit I don't have any suggestions on how to actually fix the second one cleanly
[23:57] <cjwatson> rbasak: Well, ifthis is specifically menu.lst, it's probably a variation of the same problem but not directly fixed by what I did in Debian
[23:58] <cjwatson> (for the first one)
[23:58] <cjwatson> Looks v similar though
[23:59] <cjwatson> rbasak: maybe this cloudimg thing should just be appending to or otherwise modifying the variable rather than overwriting it wholesale?
[23:59] <cjwatson> I haven't looked at exactly what it's changing
[23:59] <rbasak> Would that work? Ie. can it realy on the previous definition?
[23:59] <rbasak> Does /etc/default/grub need to define it by default?