[01:06] <luke-jr> Dec 18 17:23:52 linux-5 kernel: /var/lib/snapd/snaps/chromium_1424.snap: Can't open blockdev
[01:06] <luke-jr> all the snaps fail to mount at boot since I switched to ZFS
[01:07] <luke-jr> any hints on where to fix this?
[02:51] <tombert> Hi! I am having an issue with a little ubuntu server box that I'm running in my basement; I'm able to SSH into it just fine and whatnot, but I cannot seem to get an outside connection
[02:52] <tombert> if I do something like `ping google.com`, I get `ping: google.com: Name or service not known`
[02:53] <tombert> My resolv.conf looks like `nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>`
[02:54] <tombert> this is a real problem, as i cannot get any updates or anything like that; the thing is just connected to my router via ethernet
[02:58] <tombert> OH wait, figured it out, something bad in my router settings
[03:02] <limbo> Is there a non-headachy way to get from an old-ass version of ubuntu to a recent version? The machine I'm on is rocking 17.04 and I want to update, ideally without doing a complete reinstall. I've already change the apt sources to old-releases.ubuntu.com, and that seems to allow apt to work, but do-release-upgrade still tells me there's no update available.
[03:06] <nt0> limbo: might be best suited by backing up your data, putting any custom configs in a git repo somewhere, and doing it fresh.
[03:06] <nt0> <--not an ubuntu poweruser but i've dealt with this sorta stuff in the past
[03:08] <Bashing-om> limbo: the Prompt line in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is set to normal ?
[03:16] <limbo> Bashing-om: It's set to prompt=lts does that matter?
[03:18] <Bashing-om> limbo: Yup = matters heaps :D .. for this one instance you do want it set to normal, then once finally up to release 18.04 to get to 20.04 reset to "LTS".
[03:24] <limbo> it started, but I get "An upgrade from 'zesty' to 'bionic' is not supported with this tool." after a time and do-release-upgrade terminates. not feeling hopeful.
[03:24] <TheGallopingFox> apt-get remove --purge ubuntu
[03:24] <TheGallopingFox> shit wrong terminal
[03:35] <nt0> lol
[05:32] <stunts513> i'm a bit confused, does the current version of ubuntu's live linux kernel come natively with netboot support now?
[05:34] <stunts513> i might be asking that wrong because the instruction that mentioned this were citing the ubuntu live server installer iso, but i'm trying to cannibalize it for something else.
[05:43] <stunts513> actually never mind i think i found the legacy netboot kernel images for 20.04 laying around somewhere on the net. i use netboot over tftp + nfs for a pxe boot live os.
[06:02] <Rexodus> Which fool thought it would be a good idea to rename all packages in XFCE4? Firefox is called web browser and Kate is text editor etc etc. Can I turn that off?
[06:03] <Rexodus> Imagine they are going to do the same tomorrow with the promp commands. At least you won't be able to find anything!
[06:03] <neildugan> I am trying to get xrdp to work... when trying to connect it ask for a name/password... I then get a blue screen (no login)... and after a couple of minutes it says it can't connect... what can I do to fix this?
[06:04] <Rexodus> neildugan: Check your logs.
[06:07] <neildugan> Rexodus, I got this a few time "xrdp[4249]: (4249)(140716595636032)[DEBUG] Closed socket 21 (AF_UNIX)"
[06:08] <neildugan> Rexodus, and this 'xrdp-sesman[2548]: (2548)(140482182530368)[INFO ] ++ terminated session:  username neil, display :10.0, session_pid 4250, ip ::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>:53998 - socket: 12'
[06:09] <Rexodus> neildugan: according to Google you are not the only one with this problem. I suggest you chooze another VNC like tight VNC.
[06:10] <Rexodus> Seems a bug to me.
[06:11] <neildugan> Rexodus, I have tightvncserver installed.
[06:24] <neildugan> I using xtightvncviewer ... I get a grey screen with an 'x' for a cursor, nothing else!
[06:30] <Rexodus> neildugan: Are you sure you have a connection between those 2?
[06:31] <Rexodus> Looks to mee they don't see each other.
[06:32] <Rexodus> And check your firewalls.
[07:16] <ducasse> Rexodus: iirc that is a setting to use generic names for apps, that can be changed in settings somewhere. try #xubuntu
[07:16] <ducasse> i no longer use xfce myself, so don't remember
[09:00] <Deyaa>  How to use reboot(); without root? I can reboot my system as a normal user but when I do it with c++ it doesn't work.
[09:05] <ducasse> Deyaa: when you use reboot as a normal user it calls systemd to shut down for you, which is running as root
[09:07] <Deyaa> Now I understand
[09:07] <ducasse> you can probably call systemd from your code, there is a #systemd channel iirc
[09:08] <Deyaa> Thank you
[09:08] <ducasse> note that it only works rfor users at the console
[09:10] <Deyaa> ducasse: only root can reboot ?? I heard someone saying something about setcap(8)
[09:10] <ducasse> root or users at the console
[09:11] <ducasse> in the olden days we used sudo to reboot
[09:32] <Deyaa> ducasse: the world didn't get so far since then .. just fancy  user interfaces.
[10:33] <estan> hi all. i'm building custom kernels following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild#Kernel_Build_and_Installation since i'm bisecting to debug a problem we're having. i was just wondering, how can i make `make deb-pkg` produce a linux-modules-*.deb as well?
[10:33] <estan> currently it produces only linux-image-*.deb and linux-headers-*.deb
[10:34] <estan> i.e. i'd like to end up with the same set of debs like the mainline builds at https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> estan: we usually advice to test things with the !mainline kernels to debug bugs on ubuntu, instead of compiling kernels yourself
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> estan: unless you would you to !contribute and help with the kernel team, there's also #ubuntu-kernel
[10:39] <tomreyn> bisecting will require building kernels seperately, though
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> estan: this bug you have, is it been filed in launchpad the ubuntu way? or an internal bug?
[10:40] <estan> yes, be believe we've narrowed it down to v5.4.13..v5.4.14, so we're about to bisect between those.
[10:40] <estan> it's an issue we see also with mainline kernels, we have not reported it in launchpad yet.
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> estan: care to share what the bug is about?
[10:43] <estan> it is what looks like a complete CPU lockup, with nothing printed on dmesg (and nothing with netconsole logging either). it is happening on a specific set of industrial PCs that we use on our product, which have a i7-4770TE CPU.
[10:45] <estan> we hit it when we moved to focal, so we're running with older kernels now as a workaround. the lockup can happen after a few hours, or after a couple of weeks, so it's been some work to bisect. but we're hopeful it is one of the x86 commits between v5.4.13..v5.4.14. we've had v5.4.14 lock up within a day, and have had v5.4.13 run fine for 3+ weeks.
[10:46] <estan> so we're about to bisect between them after christmas, and i thought i'd start compiling up some kernels in advance.
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> estan: those kernel versions look funny, is that an ubuntu derivative?
[10:47] <estan> err sorry! 5.3.13 and 5.3.14.
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> estan: wich ubuntu release are you guys running?
[10:48] <estan> but i was just wondering about `make deb-pkg`, if i'm supposed to get a linux-modules-*.deb out of it, in addition to the linux-image-*.deb and linux-headers-*.deb.
[10:48] <estan> 20.04
[10:50] <estan> there are quite a few erratas for the CPU we're using, so we are looking into the possibility that there may be some that our BIOS has not worked around (talking to the industrial PC builder about that).
[10:50] <estan> but in parallel, following the idea that it might be some kernel bug, so going to bisect v5.3.13..v5.3.14.
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> estan: current focal kernel is 5.4.0-58 so not sure why you guys run lower kernels? you compile them your own or so?
[10:52] <estan> yes, like i said, we're using older kernels on the products on the machines in the field as a workaround. but this is for in-house testing, to narrow it down.
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> estan: i think for kernel compile you might wanna try ##kernel
[10:53] <estan> the lockup has been confirmed to occur with 5.4.0-58, so that is currently a "bad" version for us.
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> estan: if you want ubuntu support, we strongle advice to file it the ubuntu way, so the kernel devs can also help debug on it
[10:54] <estan> alright, i wasn't sure if that was the place, since it seems to be about kernel development. but i'll ask in there.
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> estan: #ubuntu-kernel also handles the development, but the ubuntu way
[10:56] <estan> yea, sure. we will file a launchpad bug eventually. at the moment we're following a good lead with this bisecting though, since we have kernel version that work well and those that don't. once we've narrowed it down we'll make a report.
[10:56] <estan> thanks.
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> estan: so if you guys also get the lockup on -58 try ubuntu-bug linux
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> estan: in my opinion it only benefits to help each other both way industrial & opensource community
[10:59] <tomreyn> estan: #ubuntu-kernel is the right place to ask (i notice you did). you'll need to wait a while (hours, maybe days) to get a proper answer there - the kernel team may not be around during the weekend. (consider a commercial support contract.) personally, i don't think you get a separate modules package for mainline builds, but don't rely on me.
[10:59] <estan> absolutely. i can file a bug now already, but it will take some time for us to write it up and give all the background information. we're quite sure this lockup is very specific and restricted to this particular industrial PC, the chipset it uses or the CPU / BIOS combo. i'm not sure someone without that HW would be able to help in debugging.
[11:00] <estan> tomreyn: alright, thanks for the info. no worries, i'll idle in there.
[11:00] <tomreyn> good luck, that's an unfortunate debugging situation
[11:01] <estan> and don't worry, we will for sure file a launchpad bug eventually, because if it turns out it's a kernel bug, we'll want to get a fix into the kernel and try to get an SRU for the ubuntu kernel package, so we'll need to go through that process.
[11:01] <estan> heh yea. we've been debugging it for close to a year.
[11:02] <estan> it's not a big problem for us to run an older kernel on the machines in the field, but it's a bit annoying and we want to resolve the issue of course.
[11:03] <Reintje> Hey where would I ask a question about running commands on a minrcraft server through bash scripts? Is that even possible? Very odd question I know
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> Reintje: is this what you look for? https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Tutorials/Ubuntu_startup_script
[11:11] <Reintje> lotuspsychje: nope, that I can manage. What I mean is a way to (for example) run a script that bans someone from the server or gives them items or anything else that happes within the running java program
[11:12] <TheRedRipper> minecraft on ubuntu? fun
[11:12] <Reintje> Thanks for the help though, because it's probably a stupid question
[11:12] <TheRedRipper> a banmod you mean?
[11:13] <Reintje> TheRedRipper: why is it fun? As in: why would that be worthy of mention lol
[11:13] <TheRedRipper> fun to do
[11:13] <TheRedRipper> minecraft and ubuntu is fun
[11:13] <Reintje> TheRedRipper: well I'll try to explain what I'm attempting
[11:13] <TheRedRipper> kay
[11:13] <Reintje> Yeah it is fun I just thought I might have overlooked some major problem or something lol
[11:13] <TheRedRipper> well go ahead, and explain
[11:14] <Reintje> Well what I want to do is create a script that will check an API every x seconds and if it has updated information it spawns a mob on a minecraft server
[11:15] <TheRedRipper> that prob exists somewhere
[11:15] <TheRedRipper> id suggest hitting up java, thats what mc runs on
[11:15] <Reintje> So for example, I'd get a twitter API and keep track of #zombie, so whenever someone tweets that it spawns a zombie
[11:15] <TheRedRipper> ohhh like a discord-server bridge, but twitter
[11:16] <Reintje> Yeah I'll try java, but I wasn't sure if maybe ubuntu/linux has the answer for this
[11:16] <TheRedRipper> its mainly in java, since thats what MC runs on
[11:17] <Reintje> TheRedRipper: yes something like the discord bridge except I'd like control over what it does
[11:17] <TheRedRipper> yeah... like i said java can help you
[11:18] <Reintje> I bet it'd be fun to disable natural mob spawning and only have monsters appear when someone tweets that covid is a hoax lmao
[11:18] <TheRedRipper> not sure linux can solv the issue here
[11:18] <TheRedRipper> hahahaha
[11:18] <Reintje> Thanks for the help I'll ask there later today
[11:18] <TheRedRipper> np
[12:14] <max12345> Hi, I have a smaller than 1920x1080 display and a window is too long and I can't interact with it properly. Help? Rescaling, moving so I can reach the bottom, etc..
[12:15] <max12345> Ah, nvm I got it.
[12:16] <max12345> (there is a right click menu "move" function that enables moving beyond window bounds)
[12:17] <max12345> thanks for rubber ducking! bye!
[12:50] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[14:49] <bitblit> when I switch to a tty with ctrl-alt-f2, the scrolling speed is very very slow. using intel integrated graphics (broadwell). dmesg seems to indicate framebuffer is active, no errors..
[15:17] <geosmile> Why isnt Ubuntu desktop maintained on Dell XPS 15?
[15:22] <GSMarquis77> 20.10, x1 carbon 6th gen. Getting screen tearing on intel graphics when using firefox or Chromium. hardware accel on or off
[15:23] <gregl> geosmile:https://medium.com/@kaigo/ubuntu-20-04-on-dell-xps-15-9570-14efd881f0d2
[15:23] <geosmile> gregl, That is what started my question - clearly ubuntu is not maintained on dell xps 15.
[16:40] <miguel2013> what's a graphical partition manager for ubuntu not DISKS
[16:40] <miguel2013> that works with NTFS file systems
[16:41] <miguel2013> DISKS failed to resize my fs and crashed windows and can't recover
[16:41] <miguel2013> the app
[16:42] <bitblit> gparted
[16:43] <miguel2013> is it good with ntfs fs
[16:43] <bitblit> you may want to check but i think so.
[16:57] <miguel2013> gparted is failing to load on ubuntu while scaning sdb
[16:57] <miguel2013> any other gui partition manager
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> miguel2013: disk-tools is default on gnome if you like
[16:59] <miguel2013> the problem is windows is only seeing 300gb on the partition but the same partition has 463GB realy
[16:59] <miguel2013> lotuspsychje: disks failing to resize my partition
[16:59] <miguel2013> it crashed windows and I had to fix it with chkdsk but left it incoinsistnt as i was telling
[16:59] <miguel2013> 300gb usage but 468gb really
[17:00] <miguel2013> windows and linux display 90GB left space but windows shows the size of the partition as 300gb and linux 468gb
[17:01] <miguel2013> need to fix the inconsistency in linux that  I already have
[17:01] <miguel2013> I got ubuntu 20
[17:01] <miguel2013> just need a tool not disks
[17:05] <Maik> ubuntu 20 what?
[17:05] <Maik> 20.04.1 LTS or 20.10
[17:06] <Maik> it's possible that windows only shows what's free on the partition and gparted shows the total of the drive
[17:09] <miguel2013> negative
[17:10] <miguel2013> I'll chkdsk it
[18:00] <miguel2013> gdisks corrupted my mbr partition
[18:00] <miguel2013> how to get it back? I can't load windows anymore or get to its trobleshooting command prompt options
[18:01] <miguel2013> my ssd now says it has gpt but is actually mbr
[18:01] <miguel2013> how to switch it back?
[18:01] <miguel2013> using bootable windows 10 when I type bootrec /fixmbr it says io output error probably cause it wants to do it on the usb drive that is write protected
[18:02] <miguel2013> not on my disk
[18:02] <miguel2013> how to repair mbr on ssd from ubuntu?
[18:33] <miguel2013> help please
[18:33] <miguel2013> I can't boot into windows, I ran gdisk and ruined my mbr
[18:33] <miguel2013> changed it to gpt
[18:33] <miguel2013> when doing convert mbr from diskpart it says it can't convert it back cause it needs an empty disk
[18:33] <miguel2013> help
[18:43] <jeremy31> miguel2013: can you tell the Windows ISO what drive to fix the mbr on?
[18:44] <jeremy31> miguel2013: You might have to try yannubuntu's boot repair from an Ubuntu Live USB
[18:46] <GoonDog> hello, I am trying to install Eclipse IDE, latest version with no prior Eclipse installed in my Ubuntu, I am stuck and I am past bin you where I stuck, so that if somebody could care enough to take a look and point me to the right direction here is the pastebin https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V6kYkxskwN/
[19:01] <oerheks> GoonDog, good luck, that download is not supported here, snap only https://snapcraft.io/eclipse
[19:04] <unixbsd> Hello, how to plot f(x) as a function of g(x) with gnuplot for x from 0 to 1000?  I would like to have x that changes, and X/Y are f(x) and g(x).
[19:06] <GoonDog> not supported?
[19:06] <oerheks> GoonDog, nope, only our repositories.
[19:07] <GoonDog> wow, pretty conservative oerheks
[19:07] <oerheks> and not sure why you are root, unpacking stuff in a /home/  folder..
[19:08] <GoonDog> unixbsd,  if you know how to code in Python, R or Maxima, this will be easy,
[19:09] <GoonDog> so if i want to install Android Studio which I need to develop mobile application by utilizing Java, Ubuntu will not provide support
[19:11] <oerheks> interesting statement, GoonDog .. https://snapcraft.io/android-studio
[19:11] <oerheks> we don't support, as it is a prop blob
[19:20] <GoonDog> no wonder I prefer Debian
[19:38] <mok0> And why is that Goondog
[19:45] <N3bulaK> Evening all
[19:46] <N3bulaK> I have an Appimage and created a .desktop script for it
[19:47] <N3bulaK> but the icon is not showing up in the list
[19:47] <oerheks> N3bulaK, after creating, you might need to logout/login ?
[19:47] <N3bulaK> oh
[19:47] <N3bulaK> let me try
[19:47] <oerheks> unless you put it in ~/.local/share/applications as user
[19:49] <N3bulaK> just restarted the machine
[19:49] <N3bulaK> but still no icon :(
[19:50] <N3bulaK> Appimage is in the ~/.local/share/applications
[19:50] <oerheks> correct path to the icon?
[19:50] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/a/907572
[19:50] <N3bulaK> when I run the application, it does show the icon in the taskbar but not in the list of apps
[19:53] <N3bulaK> oerheks: oh thank you for the example
[19:53] <N3bulaK> in the script it shows Application with a capital A?
[19:55] <N3bulaK> but I don't have the folder Applications in my user
[19:56] <N3bulaK> is there a way to install the Appimage?
[19:56] <N3bulaK> can I use --install?
[20:00] <jeremy31> N3bulaK: double click on the file
[20:01] <N3bulaK> doesn't install it
[20:02] <jeremy31> N3bulaK: does it run?
[20:02] <N3bulaK> yeah, I have right clicked on it to make it executable
[20:03] <jeremy31> N3bulaK: see https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-desktop-shortcut-launcher-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[20:03] <jeremy31> From there I think it can be added to the program list
[20:04] <N3bulaK> jeremy31: Thank you :) I will give it a go
[20:04] <N3bulaK> Wohoo
[20:04] <N3bulaK> oerheks: instructions worked
[20:04] <N3bulaK> :D
[20:04] <N3bulaK> Thank you peeps
[20:26] <arooni> hey folks ; i have a thinkpad bluetooth keboard attached to my ubuntu 20.04 laptop.   everything works EXCEPT for the cool scroll by holding the middle button down and the thinkpad button ... i know the keyboard works fine so its something about the intepreretation of it into ubuntu.  any ideas?
[20:31] <white_magic> hey guys, I'm trying to use the 'column' command but it appears that on my Ubuntu installation, it's missing a few switches, like '-o', which let's you specify the output separator character. Can you recommend an alternate formatting utility? Or how to install a version of this utility that has that switch?
[20:31] <BlueEagle> arooni: I am not an expert in the field, but such things as fancy scrolls and media buttons (i.e. non-core function) might requrie hardware spesific driver. Have you tried it in Windows, and does the feature work there without installing any additional drivers?
[20:32] <BlueEagle> white_magic: `man columns` says that -s specifies the separators.
[20:33] <white_magic> BlueEagle: yes, it says that but it's actually for input separators. That option (which I actually use) pertains to how to parse input
[20:33] <BlueEagle> white_magic: unless I misunderstood you and you want columns to display something not in columns, but rather as a csv
[20:34] <arooni> BlueEagle: thanks for the response.  i DO know it works b/c prior to me upgrading my internal bluetooth 3.0 card to a 5.1 usb stick it worked fine.  could the new bluetooth adapter be the culprit?
[20:34] <white_magic> BlueEagle: the opposite. My input is a CSV. The output I get right now is quite nice, but I would just like to turn it into a table by specifying '|' as the output separator
[20:36] <BlueEagle> white_magic: If you have example input and desired output it would make it easier to understand what you want.
[20:37] <white_magic> sure thing, give me a second
[20:37] <white_magic> for example: echo "a,b,c" | column -t -s"," .. this outputs "a    b     c". I would like it to become "a|b|c"
[20:40] <white_magic> I might just have to creatively use sed to deal with this
[20:40] <white_magic> better yet, awk
[20:43] <arooni> unrelated question: on ubuntu 20.04 sometimes my t420 laptop can't seem to resume and come back from suspend; or rather it can and i can enter my password to login/unlock but it just seems to do nothing.  in the past i've tried sudo killall gnome-shell -9 ; but that doesnt seem to reset the GUI and i end up having to restart.  is there a better way?
[20:45] <BlueEagle> white_magic: echo "a,b,c" | column -t -s","|sed 's/\s*/\|/g'
[20:45] <BlueEagle> white_magic: replace a collection of white spaces with |
[21:18] <jelly> hi, is there a Skylake+ libva driver for bionic somewhere?
[21:22] <jelly> intel-media-va-driver and intel-media-va-driver-non-free seem to be absent
[21:24] <_Sym_> i965-va-driver
[21:25] <_Sym_> or i965-va-driver-shaders
[21:25] <_Sym_> and libvdpau-va-gl1
[21:26] <jelly> i965-va-driver{,-shaders} is for older intel gpus than what's in this i5-8365U I think
[21:27] <jelly> (also, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1813131 prevents libva from working under default wayland _at all_, but that's a different issue)
[21:28] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-media-driver-non-free
[21:29] <jelly> what about it
[21:29] <oerheks> oh wait, bionic
[21:30] <jelly> yes.  I already know there's a build for focal+
[21:31] <jelly> I'd expect this to be covered in hwe-18.04
[21:31] <jelly> (it's not)
[21:32] <_Sym_> there is a backport
[21:32] <_Sym_> https://launchpad.net/~morphis/+archive/ubuntu/intel-media
[21:33] <_Sym_> for bionic
[21:33] <_Sym_> but last update was 69 weeks ago
[21:33] <agile_prg> hi all, I just installed ubuntu 20.04
[21:34] <agile_prg> I installed openssh-server and it will not let me login with the username and password
[21:34] <agile_prg> I did a ctrl-alt-f5 and attempted to login that way and it would not work either
[21:34] <agile_prg> I reset the password as I have auto login, but it still does not work
[21:34] <agile_prg> any ideas?
[21:38] <jelly> _Sym_, thanks!  I'll see if that wants to install, and decide whether I want it thta bad.  Not to keen on running a year+ old ffmpeg
[22:00] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Did you use any special characters in your password, and do you have the correct keyboard layout now?
[22:01] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: hit: try typing the characters for your password in the user name field and see that they are they characters you think they are.
[22:01] <BlueEagle> s/hit/hint/
[22:01] <agile_prg> I fixed it thanks
[22:02] <agile_prg> BlueEagle are you good at networking by chance?
[22:02] <BlueEagle> !ask| agile_prg
[22:02] <agile_prg> I want to access a computer attached to a switch with ip address <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:03] <agile_prg> I set the ip address on another linux computer to <IP_ADDRESS> but when I try to ping it says network unreachable
[22:03] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: You may need to specify the correct netmask as well.
[22:03] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: It should, in that case, be <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:04] <agile_prg> yes it is set to that
[22:05] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Hmmm what does `route` yield? (See !paste)
[22:07] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: modified from `man route`: route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> metric 1024 dev eth0
[22:07] <agile_prg> it says link-local 0.0.0 <IP_ADDRESS> u 100 0 0 eno1
[22:08] <agile_prg> wow that worked!
[22:08] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: You're welcome.
[22:08] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: You need a route for the computer to know where a packet needs to go. :)
[22:08] <agile_prg> ok, my next questions is I have one ethernet cable going to a switch and I want to access the <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:09] <agile_prg> do I just need to add a route to it, or do I need to also add like a fake interface with an ip address on that sbunet?
[22:09] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Do you usually have a different IP-address on that interface?
[22:09] <agile_prg> I usally get a dynamic ip address through dhc
[22:09] <agile_prg> yes
[22:09] <agile_prg> through dhcp
[22:10] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: And that IP is not in the <IP_ADDRESS> subnet I assume.
[22:10] <agile_prg> not it isn't
[22:10] <agile_prg> can't type today :>
[22:12] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: I think it should work, because it tells your computer to look for that IP on eth0 and not the default gateway so my suggestion is to try it.
[22:12] <agile_prg> so just add the route like I did before?
[22:12] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: I also suggest you read `man route`
[22:12] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Yeah, I think that should work, but I'm not a network engineer.
[22:14] <agile_prg> nope that didn't work
[22:17] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: You could try: `ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/32 dev eth0`
[22:18] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: provided eth0 is your interface of course.
[22:19] <agile_prg> that didn't work either
[22:19] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: does `route` still list the old route entries?
[22:19] <agile_prg> ya
[22:20] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: then delete the previous routes or you will be stuck :)
[22:20] <agile_prg> heh ok
[22:22] <agile_prg> that didn't work
[22:22] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: so what does `route` yeld now?
[22:23] <agile_prg> Kernel IP routing table
[22:23] <agile_prg> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[22:23] <agile_prg> default         _gateway        <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    100    0        0 eno1
[22:23] <agile_prg> <IP_ADDRESS>    <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS> UH    0      0        0 eno1
[22:23] <agile_prg> link-local      <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     U     1000   0        0 eno1
[22:23] <agile_prg> <IP_ADDRESS>    <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   U     100    0        0 eno1
[22:23] <BlueEagle> !paste | agile_prg
[22:24] <agile_prg> heh oops
[22:26] <agile_prg> any other ideas?
[22:28] <BlueEagle> !patience| agile_prg
[22:28] <agile_prg> ok
[22:31] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: I think we should try to set your own computer as the gateway for this IP so `ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/32 via 192.168.84.XXX dev eth0` where XXX is the last octet to make this your IP
[22:31] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Not at all sure if this will work though.
[22:32] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: If it does not then you may have to fiddle with a virtual device or find someone that know networking. :)
[22:33] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: https://networklessons.com/cisco/ccna-routing-switching-icnd1-100-105/ip-routing-explained might help too
[22:33] <agile_prg> heh ok
[22:34] <agile_prg> I don't know the octet thing your talking about
[22:35] <BlueEagle> an IP-address consists of four octets (values from 0 to 255).
[22:36] <agile_prg> ok
[22:39] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/571187/ubuntu-server-virtual-network-interface-with-internet-access looks to be what you need. Create a new veth and give it the IP you set to your physical nic when it worked and then route traffic to <IP_ADDRESS>/8 or something through that. You can tighten the mask as hard as you want if you have to access some other 10.x.x.x-network in the future.
[22:39] <SynfulAck> I think my system updated on 2004 and when i opened chrome i didnt have my original tabs. Is that normal?
[22:40] <agile_prg> BlueEagle I appreciate your help, ya that did not work
[22:41] <BlueEagle> SynfulAck: Normally your personal settings are kept in your /home directory, and upgrading the system should not affect these. However if an application changes how they store stuff then what was in your /home directory will not be valid anymore.
[22:41] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: remember to remove any previous routes. If you !paste your `ifconfig` and `route` I can have a look.
[22:43] <agile_prg> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qHpN3X78q9/
[22:43] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Also `networkctl status` might be useful
[22:44] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: I don't see any virtual interfaces set up.
[22:44] <agile_prg> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rpYWMSwNqk/
[22:45] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Oh, not using systemd-networkd? Are you on 18.04?
[22:45] <agile_prg> 20.04
[22:45] <agile_prg> well 20.04.1 to be specific
[22:45] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Then I would expect networkd to be running unless you have disabeld netplan
[22:46] <agile_prg> networkd-dispatcher is running
[22:50] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Ok, we'll try to work with what we got: `ifconfig veth0 <IP_ADDRESS>` and `route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> metric 1024 dev veth0`
[22:50] <agile_prg> ok
[22:50] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: that should set up a virutal interface veth0 with the IP <IP_ADDRESS> and then add a route  to the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network via veth0
[22:52] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: If that does not work, remove the previous routes and try to use the name eth0:0 in stead of veth0
[22:53] <agile_prg> ok one sec, starting fresh
[22:53] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Are your network cards configured in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[22:54] <agile_prg> BlueEagle one sec, I can't set veth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> because the other computer has that ip address
[22:54] <agile_prg> I need to set it to something like <IP_ADDRESS> right?
[22:54] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: I thought your computer had that IP just a few moments ago. :)
[22:54] <BlueEagle> Yeah, you want your IP to be something on the same subnet. I might have messed up 82 and 85 :)
[22:55] <agile_prg> it had the ip address of <IP_ADDRESS> and then it could ping the computer I want to get into which has <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:55] <agile_prg> ifconfig veth0 <IP_ADDRESS> says no such device
[22:57] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: then try eth0:0
[22:57] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: in stead of eth0
[22:57] <BlueEagle> veth0
[22:57] <agile_prg> ok that worked, the network interface name is eno1 by the way
[22:57] <agile_prg> not eth0
[22:58] <BlueEagle> ahh, well eno1:0 then I guess
[22:58] <BlueEagle> point is that we need a virutal one that can access stuff. :)
[22:58] <octav1a> Hello. I'm trying to run a udev rule when I plug in my tablet, which runs a few things to fix where the pointer is aligned to. The problem is that the script, when udev runs it, makes an error "Failed to open display. Unable to connect to X server" How can I make the udev-initiated script run "as if it was running in my current open X session" ?
[22:58] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: If that now has that IP you can try to set up the route with dev eno1:0 as we tried first when it worked.
[22:59] <agile_prg> yes I do
[22:59] <BlueEagle> octav1a: You probably don't want the script to requrie an X-application to run.
[23:00] <BlueEagle> octav1a: i.e. the user that runs the script does not have an active X-session and can therefore not run an X-application, so check your script if it calls some X-applications and find a command line alternative.
[23:00] <agile_prg> BlueEagle on the route command what should I put for veth0, is it eno1:0 ?
[23:00] <octav1a> BlueEagle: the script runs two programs: 'xsetwacom' and 'xinput'   -- they are both "command line"
[23:00] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: eno1:0 would be the device we want to use.
[23:01] <octav1a> (but I would think, they DO still need access to the X session to work!)
[23:01] <agile_prg> it works!!!!!
[23:01] <BlueEagle> octav1a: Both of them start with x, so both of them appear to be X-applications.
[23:01] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: You're welcome. :) Also I learned a lot about virtual interfaces in the process. :)
[23:02] <agile_prg> now the big question, how do I make this automatic on bootup?
[23:02] <octav1a> BlueEagle: Yes, the problem is rather graphical in nature: the coordinates of the tablet stylus are offset incorrectly.
[23:02] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: are your network interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[23:03] <BlueEagle> octav1a: I see. But the script needs to be run by the user when the device is connected, and not by the udev daemon. I am not sure how to trigger a user space script from an udev event, but I'll see if my google-fu can find out.
[23:03] <agile_prg> I do not have that file
[23:03] <agile_prg> which confuses me
[23:03] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: Ok, then it's some netplan stuff that is voodoo to me. :)
[23:03] <SynfulAck> BlueEagle, isnt there some location chrome stores the tabs incase of this?
[23:03] <agile_prg> I have directories if-down.d, if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d
[23:04] <BlueEagle> SynfulAck: I would not know. I would guess ~/.chrome or somesuch
[23:05] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: /etc/netplan is the place for this.
[23:05] <agile_prg> oh wow
[23:05] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: https://linuxhint.com/ubuntu_20-04_network_configuration/
[23:05] <agile_prg> I am quite new to this
[23:07] <Bashing-om> agile_prg: ^^ so it's systemd-networkd, and config's under /etc/systemd/network/ .
[23:07] <BlueEagle> octav1a: https://superuser.com/questions/582723/can-udev-somehow-trigger-zenity-for-a-logged-in-user-in-a-session - The last entry here shows how to run  a script in an X-session. Not sure if it will work for your case, though.
[23:10] <BlueEagle> Bashing-om: An example on how to set this up would help a lot.
[23:12] <Bashing-om> BlueEagle: I have no experience with networkd - All I can do is blunder along with you. See: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan for some examples.
[23:16] <agile_prg> I heard there was a way to record the screen in ubuntu 20.04.1 that is default installed
[23:16] <agile_prg> has anyone done that?
[23:16] <lotuspsychje> agile_prg: gnome has an internal record function yeah
[23:17] <agile_prg> can I invoke it from the command line somehow just curious?
[23:17] <lotuspsychje> agile_prg: didnt do it myself, but i think so yes
[23:18] <agile_prg> has anyone used xrdp?
[23:20] <octav1a> BlueEagle: unfortunately, i've tried a number of small variants, but I'm not able to use that script, either. I get the same display errors when it gets to the "xhost" line.
[23:26] <octav1a> I've also tried the wrapper script and xauthority method described here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/65788/why-doesnt-xsetwacom-work-from-udev
[23:27] <BlueEagle> kc
[23:27] <BlueEagle> octav1a: Sorry, but I mostly use ubuntu on my servers, so I don't really have any experience with X-servers, but I hope someone else will be able to help.
[23:28] <octav1a> ok
[23:39] <agile_prg> hi all I ssh into an ubuntu server from another ubuntu server and when I use vi it types weird letters when I try to insert text
[23:39] <agile_prg> any ideas how I fix that?
[23:40] <agile_prg> pico works right
[23:41] <agile_prg> vim fixed it nm


[00:20]  * amanica thinks I should make the log-lowerbound-exclusivity change at the highest level possble, so that I break less stuff?!
[00:33] <ronny> hmm, http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrVsHg is full of lies and massively outdated crap
[00:39] <SamB> jelmer: hmm ... it looks like svn_ra_replay_range calls svn_ra_replay
[00:40] <jelmer> SamB, in the subversion code you mean?
[00:41] <SamB> jelmer: well, that's what I see here:
[00:41] <SamB> (gdb) frame
[00:41] <SamB> #0  0xb76dc926 in svn_ra_replay () from /usr/lib/libsvn_ra-1.so.1
[00:41] <SamB> (gdb) frame 1
[00:41] <SamB> #1  0xb76dd553 in svn_ra_replay_range () from /usr/lib/libsvn_ra-1.so.1
[00:41] <SamB> (gdb) frame 2
[00:41] <SamB> #2  0xb76ef673 in ra_replay_range (self=0x8a7f770, args=0x8a7fd4c)
[00:41] <SamB>     at subvertpy/_ra.c:1240
[00:41] <SamB> it might not always happen, haven't looked at the source ...
[00:42] <jelmer> SamB, That seems perfectly fine, I don't think all transports implement ra_replay_range so falling back to ra_replay in that case seems sensible
[00:42]  * SamB looks at code now ...
[01:11] <SamB> jelmer: hmm, yeah, that does seem to be a fallback
[01:54] <SamB> huh, how would I run a testcase but break into pdb when it fails ?
[07:57] <spiv> SamB: there's no command line option for that, we really ought to add one.
[07:58] <spiv> SamB: insert "import pdb; pdb.set_trace()" into your test case by hand :/
[10:34] <abeaumont> hmmm, i'm wondering, any chance that bzr-git + git-svn works better than bzr-svn for large repos?
[10:38] <AfC> abeaumont: I seriously doubt it
[10:39] <abeaumont> i see
[13:46] <AfC> I put "parent_branch = file:///home/andrew/src/quill/mainline/" into .bzr/branch/branch.conf, but `bzr info` isn't reporting that as the parent branch. Any idea what's up with that?
[13:51] <LarstiQ> AfC: parent_location iirc
[13:52] <AfC> LarstiQ: ah.
[13:52] <AfC> LarstiQ: yeah, that did it. Thanks.
[13:53] <AfC> (why, oh why)
[13:53] <LarstiQ> why it worked? ;)
[14:02] <AfC> LarstiQ: no... why on earth a file that we force users to edit would have an asymmetrical naming pattern for things.
[14:02] <AfC> LarstiQ: submit_branch:
[14:02] <AfC> LarstiQ: parent_branch: would therefore make sense
[14:02] <AfC> but no
[14:02] <LarstiQ> AfC: I agree there is some consistency to be had, but I don't agree with user editing of branch.conf
[14:03] <AfC> LarstiQ: is there a UI for setting locations now?
[14:03] <AfC> (if I've missed something new and shiny, then I do apologize)
[14:03] <LarstiQ> AfC: not as it should be, specifically parent though, `bzr pull --remember`
[17:05] <ElMonkey> hola
[17:06] <ElMonkey> anyone happen to know if i can get files from bzr repo A into bzr repo B without making B a branch of A, while preserving file history?
[17:06] <ElMonkey> eg, i just want to pull out a specific subset of files from a repo to use in another project
[17:08] <fullermd> No, files are in history, not the other way around.
[17:08] <fullermd> (and in bzr terms, you probably mean 'branch' rather than 'repo')
[17:18] <ElMonkey> hmm
[17:19] <ElMonkey> there's no fairly doable workaround, i presume?
[17:19] <fullermd> You can sweet-talk it into using the same file-id's, which would make merging work, but that doesn't sound anything like what you'd want.
[17:19] <LarstiQ> ElMonkey: can you explain more fully what you are trying to solve?
[17:20] <fullermd> There are various ways one can go about rewriting a branch to create new, unrelated history that looks similar to the existing history.
[17:20] <fullermd> But you can't turn existing revisions into different content; that goes against the idea of history.
[17:21] <ElMonkey> well, its like this: i have a mac app, and i am porting it to the iphone
[17:21] <ElMonkey> now the mac app is older, and there's already an iphone scaffold in place from another app
[17:22] <ElMonkey> and now i'd like to load the relevant pieces of the mac app onto the iphone template
[17:22] <LarstiQ> and you want to keep the history of the iphone template?
[17:23] <ElMonkey> i'd like to keep the history of both :)
[17:23] <LarstiQ> I'd value the mac app more than the template
[17:24] <LarstiQ> ElMonkey: you could `bzr merge -r 0..-1` them together
[17:26] <ElMonkey> hmm
[17:26] <ElMonkey> well, thanks for the input, i'll have to think some more about how to do this :)
[17:27] <LarstiQ> ElMonkey: tried the merge command?
[17:27] <LarstiQ> ElMonkey: keeping histories/files of two branches is way easier than selectively transplanting some files
[17:28] <ElMonkey> LarstiQ, no, i havent tried it yet
[17:28] <ElMonkey> i think i have to adjust the directory structures a bit before i can
[17:29] <LarstiQ> ElMonkey: for best effect, likely. You can try and revert to see what happens before that though :)
[17:49]  * SamB wonders why he thought there were no failures with the replay code enabled ...
[20:40] <SamB> hmm ... 2a seems slow via HTTP, at least when samba.org is involved ...
[20:40] <LarstiQ> SamB: if -Dhpss shows a million requests, that would be why
[20:45] <SamB> actually, it just seems to be doing far too much computing
[20:45] <LarstiQ> SamB: there are a couple of bugs about poor http 2a performance at least
[20:46] <SamB> or, wait, samba.org doesn't have a smart server anyway I think
[20:46] <SamB> at least not people.samba.org
[20:50] <SamB> but -Dhttp doesn't seem to indicate that it's the making of many HTTP requests that is the issue
[20:51] <SamB> since I'm seeing a lot of BIG gaps between bzr recieving one response and sending the next request ...
[20:51] <SamB> which agrees with my bandwidth meter
[20:53] <SamB> hmm ... there is always a chance that my actual problem is that it's doing a lousy job in reporting it's progress ...
[21:21] <pigmej2> hey
[23:37] <GungaDin> How do I tell bzr diff to show only the names of the files that have changed and not the contents?
[23:38] <LeoNerd> Try   bzr st
[23:39] <GungaDin> thx


[00:01] <ScottL> thank you persia, subscribing now
[01:26] <paultag> persia, are you around perchance?
[01:26] <paultag> persia, I need someone with the CC hat
[01:27] <paultag> I just need a quick LP change :)
[01:30] <persia> Wrong place to ask me :)  I'm around.
[01:39] <paultag> persia, sorry, you were not in community-team
[01:39] <paultag> that's where I'm used to doing stuff like that :)
[01:39] <persia> That's not the right place either.  The right place is email to CC or /query
[01:40] <paultag> OK.
[01:40] <persia> And /query gets strictly limited results (for transparency/accountability reasons)
[01:40] <persia> If you think CC should have a group IRC presence, please add that to the CC agenda for the next meeting: historically it's been email or informal.
[01:41] <paultag> It's OK persia. No sweat.
[01:41] <paultag> thanks
[08:40]  * abogani waves all
[08:42] <abogani> FYI I have just uploaded at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git the two git trees with packaging for -lowlatency kernel (if you are interested).
[10:22] <persia> abogani, Great!  Thanks.
[11:22] <astraljava> abogani: Sweet!
[14:28] <scott-work> persia: you were mentioned as a good example in jono's latest blog :)  http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/05/making-our-world-more-respectful/
[14:31] <abogani> :-)
[14:41] <scott-work> i am assuming jono's post is at least partially in response to Bradley Kuhn's questions of Canonical's possible use of "open core" business model, but i speculate of course
[14:59] <JFo> so does Brad Kuhn :-)
[15:00] <JFo> speculate that is ;)
[15:12] <scott-work> lol JFo
[15:12] <JFo> :)
[15:26] <astraljava> persia: Totally the wrong channel for this, but you mentioned your quest for a decent light browser; have you checked out midori?
[15:32] <persia> scott-work, Also in response to discussions at plumbers that we aren't seeing clearly.
[15:32] <persia> astraljava, Indeed I have: it's not quite what I want: heavier than the really light stuff, but lacking things I expect in the richer experience.
[15:34] <astraljava> persia: That's not a very encouraging review. :D We were thinking about it for Flux', but let's see.
[15:35] <persia> astraljava, For flux, it's probably a fine choice.  I have somewhat idiosyncratic wants in terms of browsers.  Midori works.
[15:35] <astraljava> persia: Okay, cool. Thanks! Will have to put it under heavy testing.
[15:36] <persia> It doesn't have the desktop integration of epiphany, nor the delicious separation of concerns of uzbl or luakit.  I don't think the last two are interesting for most folk, and the first only makes sense if you already have GNOME.
[15:37] <persia> (mind you, the KDE guys are doing some interesting things with rekonq: which ends up being something like an integration wrapper library around the Qt webkit wrapper tools.  You might be able to do something like that for luakit, but that's upstream work vs. distro work.
[15:37] <persia> BTW, where is the flux stuff being discussed?
[15:38] <astraljava> persia: #fluxbuntu-devel, you're most welcome :)
[15:39] <astraljava> persia: re: rekonq, really interesting!
[18:28] <scott-work> persia:  are you saying that "we aren't seeing clearly" the discussion happening at plumbers...or that that discussion at plumbers is saying that "we aren't seeing clearly"?
[20:18] <persia> scott-work, That we aren't at plumbers, so only have a very limited view into discussions there.  I think it's more than just response to one thing, but response to a wider volume of complaint (which often happens at plumbers).
[20:26] <scott-work> persia: that is what i thought you meant, but i'm probably being a little daft presently, work has my head wrapped around pretty well currently
[20:28] <scott-work> a little cheeky, this -> http://identi.ca/ubuntutwo
[20:30] <persia> Yep.  Some of what is says hits just the right nerves though (and pours hyperbole on issues that would benefit from resolution)
[23:12] <paultag> ScottL, I tweeted that earlier, it's so good, I love it so much


[09:15] <_shawn_> hi what's KDEDIR and QTDIR on kubuntu? help please
[09:15] <apokryphos> _shawn_: I don't think there should be a KDEDIR; that was obsolete and KDEDIRS is used
[09:15] <apokryphos> which is /usr
[09:15] <insanekane> apokryphos: yes, i did enjoy it ... though, i thought that Roark character was too artificial although, im sure there are people like that... i personally wouldn't consider him to be a role-model of any kind
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i try to change the login manager settings, i type in the right password but then it goes back to the main "welcome" blue background screen.
[09:15] <_shawn_> ok what's KDEDIRS
[09:15] <aseigo> _shawn_: try: kde-config --prefix
[09:15] <insanekane> apokryphos: except perhaps, as an exemplar of some way of life
[09:16] <apokryphos> aseigo: don't think he has kubuntu...
[09:16] <_shawn_> usr... that's it?
[09:16] <apokryphos> insanekane: I like the concept behind "Atlas Shrugged"
[09:16] <mats> apokryphos: and that is?
[09:16] <insanekane> apokryphos: you mean the concept behind the name ?
[09:16] <apokryphos> yes, and the picture.
[09:17] <apokryphos> mats: try to look for the cover to Atlas Shrugged
[09:17] <insanekane> apokryphos: yes very nice ... but the situation is way to artificial .. fountainhead was bearable in that sense
[09:17] <mats> the ideal man
[09:17] <insanekane> err .. way too artificial
[09:17] <apokryphos> I only really presumed that Atlas was a represenative of man, rather than being the ideal man
[09:17] <apokryphos> I could be real wrong :P
[09:18] <insanekane> apokryphos: yeah, it is representative of the ideal *men* of society
[09:18] <apokryphos> suffice it to say she's not my primary interest in Philosophy
[09:18] <apokryphos> Ok, I see.
[09:19] <mats> apokryphos: nietzhe?
[09:19] <insanekane> apokryphos: i wouldn't go so far as to call it a philosophy (so many things pass for "philosophy" these days)
[09:19] <apokryphos> mats: yuck :P
[09:19] <mats> or something like that
[09:19] <apokryphos> insanekane: Rand is a Philosopher, even if you think she's a pseudo one. Objectivism is a Philosophical theory
[09:19] <apokryphos> Nietzsche
[09:20] <insanekane> apokryphos: i dont think she is a psuedo one
[09:20] <mats> hard name to spell :p
[09:20] <apokryphos> ok, cool.
[09:20] <apokryphos> mats: though I don't know him well enough to properly dislike him ;-)
[09:20] <gdh> I feel a little inadquate in this discussion. Er, how about that Krita, beats Photoshop any day, eh? ;)
[09:20] <insanekane> apokryphos: but i do not think Objectivism is a philosophy, in the same way i object to logo being a programming language (although, by all definitions it is)
[09:21] <mats> apokryphos: :)
[09:21] <apokryphos> insanekane: you evidently have a different definition in mind, and you should essentially be using another one.
[09:21] <JakubS_> why, oh why kubuntu sets bitstream vera as default font? most latin2 chars appear as blocks - really ugly :-(
[09:22] <insanekane> apokryphos: sure. the reasoning behind al queda's 9/11 attack was philosophical
[09:22] <apokryphos> insanekane: needless to say, you're going way against the consensus. It's plainly known as "Rand's Objectivist Philosophy".
[09:22] <insanekane> apokryphos: no, i dont differ in definitions. i differ in prudence :)
[09:22] <insanekane> apokryphos: note my statement in brackets -> (although, by all definitions it is)
[09:23] <apokryphos> insanekane: err... yeah, sure. :|
[09:23] <error403> apokryphos, i tried the backport, was a bit of a disaster...
[09:23] <apokryphos> error403: why?
[09:24] <apokryphos> did you install sun-j2re1.5?
[09:24] <insanekane> apokryphos: my point is this. everything is philosophy, if you go by definitions. pretty much every branch of science and the social sciences began as philosophical questions.
[09:24] <insanekane> apokryphos: but, i wouldn't call Organic chemistry, a philosophy
[09:24] <error403> apokryphos, ill try that one...
[09:25] <apokryphos> insanekane: everything really isn't Philosophy. And we don't have to go "just by definitions". We have shared understandings for things like this
[09:25] <insanekane> apokryphos: the problem with Rand, and with Communism, is that it requires everyone to behave in a certain way ... it just doesn't work that way.
[09:25] <apokryphos> insanekane: Science differs from Philosophy in that science works and concentrates upon manipulating and observing things within a given closed environment
[09:26] <insanekane> apokryphos: science differs from philosophy only in one point: the scientific method.
[09:26] <apokryphos> insanekane: suffice it to say that's a pretty major point
[09:26] <ValheruLord> why is not grubconf in repository
[09:26] <apokryphos> but, if you can acknowledge Philosophy's discursiveness then you can understand why the ancient's really only had two subjects: philosophy and maths
[09:27] <apokryphos> or geometry
[09:27] <insanekane> apokryphos: and rhetoric, and music
[09:27] <insanekane> and of course, gymnastics :)
[09:27] <apokryphos> insanekane: things like rhetoric and Literature etc. came under Philosophy, you'll note
[09:27] <TestMAD> apokryphos and insanekane: maybe a little off topic..but in your opinions what kind of society was star trek?
[09:27] <apokryphos> as did Psychology, Sociology etc
[09:27] <insanekane> apokryphos: ST ?
[09:27] <apokryphos> ..and knows little of Political Philosophy :P
[09:28] <apokryphos> insanekane: Star Trek...
[09:28] <insanekane> apokryphos: dunno abt that. I speak from my readings. however, my readings may not be as comprehensive as yours :)
[09:28] <TestMAD> was it socialist or communist?
[09:28] <nikkia> woooah, that scared the bejubus out of me!
[09:28] <apokryphos> no idea
[09:28] <insanekane> TestMAD: perhaps, knowledge society :)
[09:28] <error403> another question... usually, there is a msttcorefonts package, however on Ubuntu/Kubuntu it seems to be non-existant
[09:28] <marsh> hey.... this kubuntu stuff is great!
[09:28] <nikkia> i was staring out the window, just enjoying the sunset, when suddenly a bright light appeared in the sky right in front of me...
[09:29] <apokryphos> Sounds like War of the Worlds
[09:29] <nikkia> it was a 767 on appproach to stanstead at about 800' turning on its landing lights :P
[09:29] <TestMAD> ufo's
[09:29] <TestMAD> better watch for the black helicopters now
[09:29] <TestMAD> heh
[09:29] <apokryphos> error403: Do you have Universe/Multiverse?
[09:29] <marsh> but anyone know how I can repeat a search in a browser window? (ie after using '/string -to-find', I cant repeat the search!?!?
[09:30] <JakubS_> f3
[09:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm on the 'long slog' now, so i have plenty of time to waste before building something else :P
[09:30] <apokryphos> adieu people =)
[09:30] <error403> apokryphos, yeah
[09:30] <nikkia> (ie, building Qt)
[09:30] <apokryphos> !find msttcorefonts
[09:30] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[09:30] <apokryphos> error403: there
[09:30] <error403> yeah
[09:30] <apokryphos> nikkia: enjoy =). TTYL.
[09:31] <marsh> Nikkia - had one at about the same height go directly overhead approaching Bristol Airport last week - rediculously low!
[09:31] <error403> i tried apt-get install msttcorefonts tho
[09:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: see ya later
[09:31] <error403> and it was empty
[09:31] <nikkia> marsh: they're often low here, but i've never been looking at 'a blank sky' and suddenly the plane appear because he just turned on his lights before
[09:31] <marsh> nikkia - i get the picture, fair play!
[09:32] <TestMAD> see..im glad i live in a little pudunk town now..
[09:32] <TestMAD> no fear of airplanes crashing in my back yard
[09:33] <nikkia> testmad, ever seen the maps of air-routes on 9/11 ?
[09:33] <marsh> anyone know about that 'repeat search' sequence? I looked in loads of places, but only getting 'FIND NEXT (F3)' keys, not the /string search... 's really frustrating me
[09:33] <TestMAD> nikkia: no
[09:33] <nikkia> testmad, it scared me more just how 100% covered the sky was prior to the attacks
[09:34] <nikkia> testmad, because the maps showed traces of aircraft for a 1hour period, the lines just cluttered the whole map ;P
[09:34] <TestMAD> i doubt there would have been anything important to blowup in stonewood WV tho
[09:34] <nikkia> testmad, there's the fact that blowing up WV could be fun in itself :P
[09:35] <marsh> oh shit - F3 works for it! sorry people - trimewastin' there - - teach me to 'presume' pessamistically, eh?
[09:35] <TestMAD> but..on the other hand i was living in houston TX at the time that happened..the company i worked for gave everybody the day off when it happened.
[09:36] <TestMAD> i just remember getting a call from my wife at the other store location saying that we were all told that we could go home and that we should watch the news.
[09:37] <JakubS_> time for ultimate distro speed test - launching openoffice :-)
[09:38] <paines> hi
[09:38] <othernoob> how do i check the firmware of a cd/dvd drive?
[09:39] <nikkia> othernoob: hdparm -I ?
[09:39] <JakubS_> ugh, 64s -  bad :-(
[09:39] <nikkia> hdparam -I even
[09:41] <nikkia> no hdparm was right :P
[09:41] <othernoob> thanks
[09:43] <paulo> does anyone know where the setting is to only cycle windows from the current desktop with Alt+Tab, or from all desktops?
[09:44] <insanekane> paulo: configure desktop ?
[09:46] <paulo> insanekane: I couldn't find it there
[09:48] <paulo> I only saw the taskbar "Show Windows from all Desktops"
[09:49] <ValheruLord> how can i install gnome in kubuntu
[09:49] <insanekane> paulo: me can't find it either :/
[09:50] <paulo> insanekane: ok, thanks for trying :)
[09:52] <insanekane> paulo: np :)
[09:54] <othernoob> mmh. great.. nec only offers firmware updates with windows installer..
[09:56] <TestMAD> dont you just hate that
[09:56] <error403> yes
[09:56] <marsh> ok - now i got that sorted...
[10:01] <marsh> I bin trying to network 2 machine with a x-over lead, and am having problems finding out how to get the machine to see each other - the closest I've found to what I need is a RH guide (or at least, the closest I've found that I can understand). Dataw0lf has a great HOWTO for beginners, but seems to still be writing the intermediate one. RHseem to be close - but the system is set up differently, still - what I'm after is - how to
[10:01] <marsh> the other machine.
[10:02] <ValheruLord> are there any gui tools to configure grub in kde
[10:03] <ValheruLord> kubuntu does'nt give a grub list and see windows!!
[10:03] <ztonzy> there's no bluetoothstuff  for KDE ?
[10:04] <TestMAD> just for anyone lookin for a cheap 80gig HD - http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=635135
[10:04] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, kdebluetooth?
[10:05] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: yes
[10:05] <ztonzy> I can't install it
[10:05] <ztonzy> http://kde-bluetooth.sourceforge.net/  found that...possible to use "Sid" Repositries for Kubuntu ?
[10:05] <ValheruLord> well i asked also a question but noone answered :)
[10:06] <marsh> how do i set the IP address of my eth0 so another machine can ping it?
[10:06] <marsh> (or find the ip address)?
[10:06] <ztonzy> marsh: just ping ? :)
[10:06] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: ah
[10:06] <gdh> marsh: Control Centre -> Internet & Network -> Network Settings ?
[10:06] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: might download the source
[10:07] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, yes compile and install :P
[10:07] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: :)  lazy ?
[10:08] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, ./configure make make install :P
[10:08] <ValheruLord> is it hard?
[10:08] <Riggzy_Linux> Anyone know what that "Music" slider in ALSA is mapped to?
[10:08] <gdh> Riggzy_Linux: Entirely dependent on the driver + your card :)
[10:09] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: heh
[10:09] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: the sources has "beta" tag on it
[10:09] <ValheruLord> is there a kde gui for grub config????
[10:09] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, there must be a stable release to
[10:09] <ValheruLord> too
[10:09] <nikkia> right, that's Qt build
[10:09] <nikkia> built
[10:10] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: sure
[10:10] <gdh> ValheruLord: Sure, sudo kedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:10] <ztonzy> dunno where tho
[10:10] <marsh> gdh control settings have th eth cards freyed out - i tried admin mode, no joy :(
[10:10] <marsh> ztonzy: ping what? i dont know the ipaddress for the other  machine
[10:11] <marsh> :confused:
[10:11] <ValheruLord> gdh, but it is my friends kubuntu and he is a n00b.. he cant do in that way .. i can give him my file but my comp. has no windows and no gates :D
[10:11] <gdh> marsh: Admin mode made it go back to a generic 'choose a category' screen?
[10:11] <marsh> gdh: y
[10:11] <ztonzy> marsh: sorry , I am tired..dont listen to me 8)
[10:11] <gdh> marsh: That's a known bug :)
[10:11] <gdh> marsh: open a Konsole and type 'sudo kcontrol'
[10:11] <marsh> gdh - fantastic! ;)
[10:11] <marsh> ztonzy: np mate
[10:12] <Riggzy_Linux> gdh - oh joy
[10:12] <gdh> ValheruLord: I know little about grub, so can't even provide an example of the right syntax..
[10:12] <ValheruLord> ok
[10:12] <gdh> no Windows on this machine, either..
[10:12] <gdh> google's likely yout best bet
[10:12] <Riggzy_Linux> is there any way to map a programs output to that Music slider?
[10:13] <gdh> ValheruLord:  http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm
[10:13] <gdh> ?
[10:13] <ValheruLord> gdh, why is'nt there the grubconf package
[10:13] <ztonzy> hmm n one ?
[10:13] <ValheruLord> i made with this
[10:13] <ztonzy> no*
[10:13] <gdh> ValheruLord: No idea :)
[10:13] <ztonzy> I want bluuueee for kde
[10:13] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, wait a sec.
[10:14] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, deb http://fred.hexbox.de/debian ./
[10:14] <ValheruLord> add this
[10:14] <ValheruLord> :)
[10:14] <ValheruLord> for a deb package
[10:14] <ztonzy> that's for "Sid" ?
[10:14] <marsh> gdh: does that set the ip address for that machine on the ntwork?
[10:14] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, may be it can be installed on kubuntu too
[10:14] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: would it work ?
[10:15] <gdh> marsh: That just runs the Control Centre as root, so you have the ability to change network settings.
[10:15] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, i don't know but why not trying ? :)
[10:16] <marsh> gdh - yeah, i tried to change them, but geting an error - on entering <IP_ADDRESS> as IP address, it says the 'format of specified broadcast is not valid.
[10:16] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: installed hehe
[10:16] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, ;)
[10:17] <marsh> gdh: does this mean I have to dig out the domain name of the other pc?
[10:17] <gdh> marsh: ... so what did you set the broadcast address to?
[10:17] <gdh> marsh: Sounds like you're using bogus information
[10:18] <marsh> gdh: sorry mate, i don't unserstand... :( - there was nothing asking for broadcast address
[10:19] <marsh> I'm trying to find out/set an IP address so that I know what to ping from pc#2
[10:19] <gdh> marsh: Hm, if you press 'Advanced Settings' then a 'Broadcast' paramater appears.. make sure that it's empty :)
[10:19] <gdh> I'm assuming the other settings there are IP addrses <IP_ADDRESS> and netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:19] <marsh> gdh, it is empty. I did look, but left it empty & closed it again...
[10:19] <marsh> gdh yes (other settings
[10:20] <marsh> )
[10:20] <gdh> what's the IP of the other machine? 192.168.0.<something> ?
[10:20] <marsh> it doesn't have one yet... (at least i dont think it does..) was trying to sort out this one first. that a bad move?
[10:21] <gdh> It doesn't make any difference what order you do it in :)
[10:21] <marsh> cool.
[10:21] <ztonzy> ValheruLord: works :)
[10:21] <gdh> I don't understand why you'd get that broadcast error :/
[10:21] <marsh> then why it not working?
[10:21] <ValheruLord> ztonzy, good :)
[10:21] <marsh> Hhmmmm...
[10:22] <gdh> marsh: you can verify the settings on eth0 by just typing 'ifconfig'
[10:22] <gdh> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:D0:B7:1D:D8:9F
[10:22] <gdh>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:22] <gdh> etc.
[10:22] <gdh> inet addr is the current IP address for that network card
[10:22] <marsh> gdh, yeah - but it doesn't give me the cards IP addres....
[10:22] <marsh> does it???
[10:22] <ztonzy> :)
[10:23] <marsh> or am i missing an option?
[10:23] <gdh> well, what are the first two lines of output from your 'ifconfig eth0' ?
[10:25] <marsh> how do i output the results of a command into the chat here?
[10:25] <ValheruLord> marsh, select them come here and click right and left together
[10:26] <gdh> marsh: if you triple-click you will be able to select the lines
[10:26] <gdh> then paste witht he middle mouse button
[10:26] <marsh> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:D0:B7:06:64:2D
[10:27] <marsh>           inet6 addr: fe80::2d0:b7ff:fe06:642d/64 Scope:Link
[10:27] <marsh> Hehehe - kde's good eh?
[10:27] <marsh> thanks ValheruLord
[10:28] <marsh> but no IP address, as you can see... >:(
[10:28] <marsh> (although i have no idea what that inet6 address is...
[10:28] <gdh> the inet6 addrses is ignorable :)
[10:28] <ValheruLord> you can learn your ip
[10:29] <ValheruLord> www.whatismyip.com
[10:29] <gdh> That assumes the machine in question has  Internet access... and that site is only going to show the address of the router /ip masq box sharing access
[10:30] <gdh> marsh: sounds like you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and set the 'eth0' block to be static rather than dhcp
[10:30] <gdh> marsh: see 'man interfaces' for a sample of teh syntax you need
[10:30] <marsh> gdh - hang on... I just realised that the 'config network' box in question is trying to configure inet access & I'm after local network configuring
[10:31] <marsh> gdh - i got ya!
[10:31] <marsh> gdh - thanks mate :)
[10:31] <gdh> marsh: They're one and the same thing .... you need to set an address on the LAN to be able to get internet access, too :)
[10:31] <marsh> I'll go check it out
[10:33] <marsh> gdh - cheers - i got the net acces on eth1, so eth0 is free to local network...
[10:33] <marsh> back in a bit...
[10:34] <gdh> ahh :)
[10:36] <ilba7r> hi i just got tired searching on gmail. Is there a spell checker in linux that check double words in a doc
[10:36] <ilba7r> aspell does not do it
[10:51] <marsh> another hard to find out question - is there any way to have sudo powers to edit a file when in konqueror?
[10:52] <gdh> marsh: Easy :)
[10:52] <marsh> I dont have permissions to edit interface, ad don't want to constantly open a new window & use vi when I could (possibly) use konqueror to edit a file that needs root permisions
[10:52] <gdh> marsh: Right click on the file -> Actions -> Edit as root
[10:52] <marsh> gdh. ;)
[10:54] <marsh> gdh :( - none of the authentication protocols specified are supported & host based authentication failed :(
[10:54] <marsh> dcopserver IS running...
[10:55] <marsh> but hang on - there is a root password that I dont know, isn't there...
[10:55] <marsh> id there a default root password when ubuntu is initially configured?
[10:55] <marsh> or did I just misstype twice...?
[10:57] <ubuntu> .
[10:57] <marsh> Ooops.
[10:57] <marsh> (sorry)
[10:57] <buz> marsh: misstyping twice DOES happen
[10:59] <marsh> <- a bit red in the face
[11:00] <nikkia> so many dependancies :(
[11:01] <gdh> :))
[11:02] <nikkia> gdh, i'd forgotten just how many deps kde has
[11:04] <Blissex> marsh: dont worry, you can usually use 'sudo' to change that.
[11:04] <Blissex> marsh: or just boot into a rescue CD mount the '/' and edit '/etc/shadow'.
[11:09] <Fiercetactics> hello
[11:09] <marsh> Blissex: good plan! thx
[11:09] <marsh> ;)
[11:09] <Fiercetactics> in the normal #ubuntu room it says the demigods have stolen my voice......how can i fix that
[11:10] <nikkia> by not annoying them :P
[11:10] <Blissex> Fiercetactics: that means someone has placed a ''speak'' ban on you or you have to register.
[11:10] <Fiercetactics> its been like a week
[11:10] <Fiercetactics> i disagreed with someone now they wont let me talk
[11:11] <Blissex> Fiercetactics: some annoying ops put 2-4 week bans, and yes, it can be over trivial disagreements.
[11:11] <Blissex> Fiercetactics: try #Mandriva for a change :-)
[11:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> hello free ppl :)
[11:11] <Fiercetactics> Blissex, so u think eventually i will be able to talk again
[11:11] <wirwzd> I'm quite expensive!
[11:12] <wirwzd> ;-)
[11:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[11:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> we all are
[11:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> in different ways and means
[11:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i have good news for some ppl
[11:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i think i solved the aMSN issue of popping up windows for nothing :)
[11:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its nothing but an option
[11:14] <gdh> nikkia: Yes, deps are large. pre-compiled binary++ :)
[11:14] <wirwzd> Thers a popup windows for nothin option? Wierd
[11:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Tools/Preferences
[11:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> goto Session
[11:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "My Messaging Interface"
[11:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> When a contact opens a chat with me I want it to Be: DONT SHOW :)
[11:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> like that a window pops up only if the contact actually DOES SEND something
[11:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wots the undernet server?
[11:18] <nikkia> gdh, yeah, except that pre-compiled binaries often don't include some of these features i'm installing anyway
[11:18] <nikkia> gdh, especially *cough* the restricted formats stuff :)
[11:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i kill an application?
[11:19] <gdh> =)
[11:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thru gui?
[11:19] <buz> mhh
[11:19] <buz> dunno
[11:19] <gdh> LuNaTiK^GuY: Ctrl-Alt-Escape
[11:19] <gdh> then click the window with the skull-and-crossbones cursor to kill
[11:19] <buz> hey cool
[11:19] <buz> i didnt know that one
[11:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yeah even my Kpanel disapperaed now :)
[11:20] <buz> i always used the konsole and kill or killall
[11:20] <gdh> =)
[11:20] <buz> is ctrl alt esc a kde or an X shortcut?
[11:21] <gdh> No idea
[11:21] <buz> mhh doesnt really matter
[11:21] <gdh> It doesn't work in GNOME.,,
[11:21] <buz> i always use kde anyway
[11:21] <buz> it would be a kde shortcut then, probably
[11:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> why doesnt konversation provide a list of servers....xchat style?
[11:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i need to log on to undernet
[11:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i dont know the entries i need :(
[11:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> nikkia: r u there?
[11:42] <nikkia> yes?
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how did ur LFS thingy go?
[11:43] <nikkia> still working on it
[11:43] <nikkia> more specifically, currently getting stuff ready to build KDE
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wow
[11:43] <nikkia> *shrug* its not really hard
[11:43] <nikkia> just annoying boring
[11:44] <nikkia> annoyingly, even
[11:44] <crimsun> if it can be automated...
[11:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> of course...it aint hard for u maybe..........
[11:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but for someone who barely knows how to use kmix properly........
[11:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wellllllll
[11:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[12:02] <nikkia> right, here goes KDE...


[15:08] <stgraber> cjwatson: thanks for fixing bug 948559
[15:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 948559 in vlan "eth* NIC names hardcoded" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948559
[15:21] <cjwatson> stgraber: regex-tastic
[15:26] <stgraber> yeah, I had a look at the diff ;)
[15:48] <brendand> is it usual for ubiquity to install grub on every disk attached to a system?
[15:48] <cjwatson> yes
[15:48] <cjwatson> required for robustness since there is no guarantee about which one will be the first disk according to the BIOS
[15:50] <brendand> it seems it effectively destroyed a disk for someone as it installed grub over the blocks which stored the encryption software (i guess)
[15:50] <brendand> not sure if that's the right way to put it
[15:50] <brendand> something called truecrypt
[15:54] <cjwatson> that would need to be handled in grub itself rather than some kind of gross installer hack
[15:55] <cjwatson> interaction with truecrypt is a known issue but I don't know what's been done about it
[15:55] <cjwatson> I doubt it's as simple as just avoiding the disk since there are probably people who want grub to actually be able to read from truecrypted disks
[15:56] <cjwatson> I believe there's still a drop-down somewhere in ubiquity that lets you install grub to a partition instead
[15:56] <cjwatson> and then you could chainload it from truecrypt
[15:56] <cjwatson> e.g. http://pzolee.blogs.balabit.com/2010/07/grub2-and-truecrypt-windows-linux-dual-boot-system/
[16:01] <brendand> cjwatson, so it's likely to affect all linux installers, right?
[16:04] <cjwatson> brendand: any installers that install to disk rather than to a partition by default
[16:05] <cjwatson> which is grub2's recommended approach but it won't be the case for all Linux distributions
[16:28] <cyphermox> cjwatson:  I'd like your opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/948217; I'm trying to fix these reported cases of NetworkManager not managing connections after an alternate install; seems like ifblacklist_migrate.sh was missing something
[16:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 948217 in network-manager "wireless devices are not managed when installing from alternate" [High,In progress]
[16:29] <cyphermox> slangasek helped with fixing up a better sed to deal with the changes
[16:45] <bdmurray> there are still some outstanding wubi merge proposals at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/trunk/+activereviews
[16:48] <cjwatson> yeah, I was meaning to look at bcbc's at least
[18:01] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'm happy to look at the wubi merge proposals later today/tomorrow if you're busy with other things. I believe I still have the needed build environment here (required some tweaking to work with amd64) and I can borrow highvoltage's windows machine for testing ;)
[18:13] <cjwatson> cyphermox: sorry for slow response, queued up
[18:13] <cjwatson> will need to think about it :)
[18:13] <cjwatson> stgraber: certainly wouldn't object, we can race
[18:35] <cyphermox> cjwatson: sure, np. mostly just checking with you if we didn't forget something that would make this a bad idea
[18:59] <CIA-32> wubi: stgraber * r258 wubi/debian/changelog: Update changelog
[19:08] <stgraber> cjwatson: Is it correct that wubi isn't covered by the Canonical contributing agreement? (not listed at http://www.canonical.com/contributors)
[19:08] <stgraber> cjwatson: just want to check before I merge from bcbc
[20:36] <stgraber> right, wubi wasn't initialy written by Canonical (confirmed by debian/copyright), so assuming it's not covered by the contributing agreement then
[20:37] <CIA-32> wubi: stgraber * r259 wubi/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge fixes for bug 876154, bug 862003, bug 910948 and bug 925779 from bcbc, thanks\!
[20:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 876154 in wubi "Confusing error message: AttributeError: 'WindowsBackend' object has no attribute 'cd_path'" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876154
[20:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 862003 in wubi "wubi installs successfully but ends in 'permission denied' error due to the presence of a virtual or readonly drive; this only happens running wubi.exe standalone i.e. when installing using the tar.xz preinstalled image" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862003
[20:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 910948 in wubi "wubi.exe for ubuntu 11.10 fails if the default startup folder doesn't exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/910948
[20:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 925779 in wubi "Wubi shouldn't fail when uninstalling if the BCD entry is missing" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925779
[20:50] <CIA-32> wubi: stgraber * r260 wubi/ (debian/changelog src/wubi/backends/common/backend.py): Merge fix for bug 882393 from bcbc, thanks\!
[20:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 882393 in wubi "Wubi cannot install to FAT32 partition in standalone mode" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882393
[20:54] <CIA-32> wubi: stgraber * r261 wubi/ (debian/changelog src/wubi/backends/win32/drive.py): Merge fix for bug 365881 by bcbc, thanks\!
[20:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 365881 in wubi "wubi installer's pyrun.exe says "no disk"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365881
[21:24] <CIA-32> wubi: stgraber * r262 wubi/tools/check_wine: Also install mingw32 if missing
[21:26] <CIA-32> wubi: stgraber * r263 wubi/ (Makefile src/pylauncher/pack.py): Make wubi build fine on an amd64 system (check in syswow64 and Program Files (x86)
[21:26] <stgraber> ok, now I have a working build environment on amd64 ;)
[23:31] <CIA-32> tzsetup: cjwatson * r525 ubuntu/debian/ (66 files in 2 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[23:34] <CIA-32> tzsetup: cjwatson * r526 ubuntu/debian/po/ (66 files): debconf-updatepo
[23:37] <CIA-32> tzsetup: cjwatson * r527 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.26ubuntu11
[23:42] <CIA-32> partman-target: cjwatson * r923 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[23:42] <CIA-32> partman-target: check.d/encrypted_home_present, finish.d/clear_partitions: Close mount's
[23:42] <CIA-32> partman-target: fd 3 so that it doesn't inherit a debconf file descriptor.
[23:42] <CIA-32> partman-target: cjwatson * r924 ubuntu/debian/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Update Ubuntu-specific translations from Launchpad.
[23:44] <CIA-32> partman-target: cjwatson * r925 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 76ubuntu2
[23:47] <CIA-32> partman-base: cjwatson * r1360 ubuntu/debian/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Update Ubuntu-specific translations from Launchpad.
[23:48] <CIA-32> partman-base: cjwatson * r1361 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 153ubuntu2
[23:52] <CIA-32> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r244 ubuntu/debian/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Update Ubuntu-specific translations from Launchpad.
[23:53] <CIA-32> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r245 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 40ubuntu2