[07:27] <JonathanD> Morning!
[09:20] <rmg51> Morning
[12:29] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:33] <WorkingTurkey> mornin
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> Anyone know a way to intentionally make NFS report less free space than it would otherwise?
[19:08] <ChinnoDog> hmm. I can use quotas but that looks complicated for such a simple problem.
[19:10] <jthan> ChinnoDog: What filesystem is the actual data on?
[19:11] <ChinnoDog> btrfs but that is only because it is my system. I can't assume it is any particular file system because it is part of a vagrant project.
[19:11] <jthan> Well... nfs does not actually "report" the available space
[19:13] <r00t^2> i think the base problem is you have these edge cases that you expect to be covered- why on earth would you want an NFS share to seem smaller than it is?
[19:14] <r00t^2> if it's because you don't want people to use more than X amount, then yes- that's exactly what quotas are for
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> No, it is a band-aid for a script that selects a directory to store its data.
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> It selects the volume with the largest free space by default but that volume is the NFS mount and causes the software to break because it can't put its data there.
[19:16] <r00t^2> bandaids aren't good. add exclusion/priority support in the script
[19:16] <ChinnoDog> I can't. It isn't my script.
[19:16] <ChinnoDog> Also, it is subject to updates so I can't modify it.
[19:17] <jthan> pin it at the current version? Or don't allow the script / program calling it to even know your nfs share exists
[19:17] <ChinnoDog> It is definitely a script shortcoming but nothing I can do anything about.
[19:17] <r00t^2> then file a bug with the maintainer of the script
[19:17] <ChinnoDog> Is there an easy way to deny permission to it to only one user?
[19:17] <r00t^2> oh, sure
[19:18] <ChinnoDog> Yes, that is a long term solution but not one that I can use right now.
[19:18] <r00t^2> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/ch-acls.html
[19:19] <r00t^2> or you can do it via standard octals and ownerships
[19:21] <ChinnoDog> I can see how I can use additive permissions for it but not deny permissions
[19:23] <jthan> make sure user:user is not a match to that using script
[19:23] <jthan> and then set appropriate octals
[19:24] <ChinnoDog> I need other users to be able to access it though. I'm not sure which ones. I will check and see if I can use additive permissions for just those users.
[19:24] <jthan> then make sure they are in :group
[19:25] <jthan> Folder "ubuntu" has ownership chinno:pa
[19:25] <jthan> jthan and Chinno are in group pa
[19:25] <jthan> bts is not
[19:26] <ChinnoDog> I think you are missing what I am trying to say but it doesn't matter. I should be able to identify which users need access.
[19:28] <jthan> You lost me, Chinno.
[19:32] <ChinnoDog> I wanted to deny permission to a single user which linux/unix doesn't support. It only supports an additive permissions model.
[19:35] <r00t^2> jthan: i was wrong, more than 5 seconds. btw.
[19:36] <jthan> ChinnoDog: I think you can do it with acls
[19:37] <ChinnoDog> I have never seen a subtractive linux ACL.
[19:39] <r00t^2> setfacl -m user:USERNAME:---
[19:39] <r00t^2> setfacl -m user:USERNAME:--- <file/directory/whatever>
[19:39] <r00t^2> ~*ta-da*~
[19:40] <r00t^2> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Access_Control_Lists
[19:41] <r00t^2> while you're at it, you should probably grab a copy of http://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Linux-System-Administration-Handbook/dp/0131480057/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439494862&sr=8-1&keywords=unix+and+linux+system+administration+handbook
[19:47] <ChinnoDog> oh. The ACL is on top of the unix permissions. I didn't realize they weren't the same thing.
[19:47] <ChinnoDog> That is more complexity than I need. I think I can solve it without it.
[19:47] <jthan> Oh yeah - has to be installed but.. no real configuration and REALLY easy to use thereafter.
[19:49] <r00t^2> jthan: it's actually usually installed by default
[19:49] <r00t^2> but the fs needs to be *remounted* with support for them
[19:49] <r00t^2> or enabled via tune2fs
[19:50] <r00t^2> but yeah i mean.. you aren't really going to find something more simple than that.
[20:26] <ChinnoDog> No umask on nfs :-(


[00:00] <giltibobcat> ok I will cheack all that out thank you for the lead
[00:08] <jgranate> I am running KDE 5.3.2 and I can't seem to be able to resume from suspend after loading nvidia proprietary drivers (All I get is my black backlit screen). Googling reveals that this was an issue about a year ago but solved with new kernal.. I am fairly new to kubuntu and was wondering what log files I could look at to diagnose the problem.
[00:11] <keithzg> jgranate: if you look in /var/log, you should see some Xorg logs, that'd be the place to start.
[00:12] <jgranate> thank you
[00:13] <keithzg> Alternatively, since we live in a systemd world now, "journalctl -e _COMM=Xorg" should get you an output (I think Ubuntu 15.04 still tosses out Xorg logs in text format, though? I forget, I'm at work right now and we're sticking with 14.04 LTS for the time being)
[00:15] <jgranate> Yeah, I'm digging into the Xorg file for /var/log now.. I appreciate the help
[01:01] <bwins> anyone have trouble starting the plama desktop after updates on Kubuntu 15.10?
[01:01] <TJ-> bwins: long delays; desktop sometimes not appearing?
[01:02] <bwins> TJ-> correct, desktop not appearing after login
[01:03] <TJ-> bwins: not sure of the cause but I've seen several people report it; I got rid of the long delay by removing all th e background metadata search processes (akonadi etc)
[01:03] <bwins> was it a particular package? started fine before updates
[01:04] <TJ-> I don't know I've avoided installed the latest packages from -proposed
[01:05] <bwins> can i remove proposed packages?
[01:05] <bwins> I can ctrl/alt F2 to a command prompt just fine
[01:07] <TJ-> bwins: check obvious things like ownership of ~/.Xauthority first, also, check ~/.xsession-errors for clues
[01:08] <bwins> TJ-: thanks, I'll go poke around there and get back and let you know the results
[02:55] <Guest66895> at boot time several networkmanager scripts scripts start but they have no time limit which results in networkmanager trying to start services endlessly and consequently the boot process  does not continues. where do i set limits to networkmanager scripts?
[03:07] <Guest66895> at boot time several networkmanager scripts scripts start but they have no time limit which results in networkmanager trying to start services endlessly and consequently the boot process  does not continue. where do i set limits to networkmanager scripts?
[03:14] <TJ-> What scripts are these?
[03:21] <Guest66895> i have no idea tbh. the feedback i get is something along this line: "waiting for networkmanager job. no limit set ". this happened when nm tried to bring up an interface but it has happened before with an unidentified service, maybe vpn or else. i know i've seen networkmanager limited to 60 seconds before and i'd like to know where this limit has gone on my system and how i can change it
[03:21] <Guest66895> i have checked the files under /etc/networkmanager but can't find anything useful
[03:22] <Guest66895> is it maybe a systemd thing?
[03:24] <TJ-> Yes, those messages are from systemd
[03:25] <TJ-> check its log with "sudo journalctl", possibly look at "/var/log/boot.log"
[03:30] <Guest66895> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Operation not permitted
[03:31] <Guest66895> that's the info for when ssh-server is supposed to start and also when the interface should be brought up
[03:32] <Guest66895> journalctl is empty
[03:37] <TJ-> what version of Ubuntu is it?
[03:39] <Guest66895> i've had the last stable until yesterday then did a release-upgrade to the beta1 which did not go too well.
[03:40] <Guest66895> i've been trying to repair that system since
[03:42] <TJ-> OK, with 15.10 systemd's journalctl should show the system log.
[03:58] <Guest68501> i found, after the relase-upgrade systemd-services is not installed
[04:02] <ahoneybun> Guest68501: upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10?
[04:02] <Guest68501> yes
[04:03] <Guest68501> apt marks it as configured yet not installed and i can't install it from the chroot environment i'm in now
[04:04] <ahoneybun> so your in a live environment now?
[04:05] <Guest68501> yes, i had to boot a live kubuntu
[04:06] <ahoneybun> mm
[04:06] <ahoneybun> I've had good luck with release-upgrade recently...
[04:07] <ahoneybun> Guest68501: can you not just use tty with the local system ?
[04:07] <Guest68501> here's the output of aptitude search systemd: http://pastebin.com/9c1urfxu
[04:07] <Guest68501> i have no tty
[04:08] <Guest68501> i cannopt login to this system at all
[04:08] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:08] <Guest68501> ^^
[04:08] <ahoneybun> I'm not that used to systemd at all really
[04:09] <ahoneybun> never was used to upstart either tbh
[04:09] <Guest68501> i'ma  bit concerned about this line:
[04:09] <Guest68501> c   libsystemd-login0               - systemd login utility library
[04:09] <Guest68501> it's not installed, and can't install it
[04:12] <ahoneybun> that is worring
[04:12] <ahoneybun> systemd was in 15.04 so it should just have a version jump
[04:13] <Guest68501> i'm not 100% sure but i think i have upgrade to 15.04 from 14.10 or prior, too
[04:13] <ahoneybun> that will break it for sure
[04:13] <ahoneybun> we do not advise upgrading from 14.10 to 15.04
[04:13] <ahoneybun> to many changes
[04:13] <ahoneybun> *too
[04:14] <ahoneybun> upstart to systemd for one
[04:14] <Guest68501> so, there i am with a broken system trying to find a way out
[04:15] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure of a way to fix it all
[04:15] <ahoneybun> best way might be to backup everything and do a fresh install
[04:15] <Guest68501> i can't access my /home
[04:16] <Guest68501> if it was that easy i would have done it already
[04:17] <Guest68501> this is more of a delicate problem, that's why i'm here
[04:20] <Guest68501> i'd even be fine with downgrading to upstart but i have never done this
[04:21] <Guest68501> i need to find a way to access my files in /home which seem to be encrypted
[04:22] <Guest68501> I get this error: ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[04:30] <ahoneybun> mm
[04:34] <Guest68501> i'll reboot, be back in a few minutes
[04:42] <kubuntu_> back
[04:42] <kubuntu_> failed_upgrade here
[04:43] <kubuntu_> So, the plan is now to downgrade to 15.04 or prior
[04:43] <kubuntu_> has anyone here ever done this ?
[04:44] <kubuntu_> is there an official downgrade path?
[04:44] <kubuntu_> any documentation or experiences?
[06:17] <valorie> kubuntu_: no, there is no downgrade option
[06:17] <valorie> I've had a failed upgrade before that I fixed
[06:17] <valorie> and one that I failed to fix
[06:18] <valorie> the magic commands are `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[06:18] <valorie> `sudo apt install -f` (finish)
[06:19] <valorie> `sudo dpkg --reconfigure`
[06:20] <muhammad> hi
[06:20] <Guest390> Hi there
[06:20] <Guest390> can anyone help me right now
[06:21] <valorie> if all those fail with no output, then your best option is to reinstall
[06:21] <valorie> Guest390: help with what?
[06:21] <Guest390> how to install FB messenger? im using 15.10
[06:22] <valorie> facebook messenger?
[06:22] <Guest390> yes
[06:22] <valorie> it's part of the webpage
[06:22] <valorie> there is nothing to install
[06:22] <valorie> and they have withdrawn the API that used to let other clients access those chats
[06:22] <Guest390> valorie; but i saw some thread on the net
[06:23] <valorie> such as Kopete and KDE-telepathy
[06:23] <Guest390> samone says it is possible
[06:23] <valorie> used to be, yes
[06:23] <valorie> they have removed that possibility
[06:23] <Guest390> i see
[06:23] <Guest390> valorie: thanks for the info
[06:23] <valorie> yw
[06:24] <valorie> sorry to be the bearer of bad news
[06:24] <Guest390> valorie: lol
[06:56] <svend-ev> Good morning
[06:57] <cOgnaut> Good middle-of-the-night
[08:51] <troia> Hi
[09:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:40] <MoonUnit`> morning
[10:17] <aa481> Hello I'm having difficulty getting broadcom to work on my system, the live version, i'm able to install it using the driver manager but the installed one says no proprietary drivers in needed
[10:18] <aa481> I'm on windows now since internet wont work on kubuntu
[10:18] <aa481> any help?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:17] <winfr34k> Hello guys
[12:17] <winfr34k> I'm currently trying out Kubuntu and it's fantastic
[12:17] <winfr34k> great work. keep it up!
[12:22] <jubo2> Hiya
[12:22] <jubo2> And thanks for the best looking, best feeling out-of-the-box GNU/Linukka I have ever seen ( Kubuntu15.04 )
[12:24] <soee> jubo2: cool :) 15.10 will be released soon and it will be even better ;-)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> soee,  I beg to differ, too many features aren't working or have been dropped in both 15.04 aqnd 15.10
[12:25] <MoonUnit`> and screen rotation that works in 15.04 is broken in 15.10 on my radeon card.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> change for change's sake isn't progress
[12:30] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`, cube animation?
[12:30] <MoonUnit`> xrandr --rotate left
[12:31] <MoonUnit`> corrupt screen but mouse cursor still works.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> use OpenGL
[12:34] <MoonUnit`> i'll check that next time i boot it.
[12:36] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`,  I was thinking of xrender, not xrandr which is a diiferent setting altogether
[12:40] <MoonUnit`> arch is using Xorg 1.17.2 same as 15.10 but rotation works, made a bug report on launchpad but he wants me to upgrade my motherboard bios which sounds silly to me as it's working fine on windows, trusty, vivid and arch.
[12:40] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: Were you using fglrx?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> jubo2,  dunno why you bring this problem to us anyway, seems like you just do what you want.
[12:41] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: Ask why they want you to do that.
[12:41] <MoonUnit`> nah open source radeonsi
[12:41] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: Hmm, same kernels on Kubuntu and Arch (with the same config?)
[12:42] <MoonUnit`> arch is 4.1.8, 15.10 is on 4.2, using the same 10-monitors.conf on both.
[12:44] <MoonUnit`> think i'll just have to wait until 15.10 is released and add myself to the bug report others may post.
[12:45] <lordievader> You could boot Kubuntu with the arch kernel/initrd and see if the problem persists.
[12:46] <MoonUnit`> will do
[12:47] <lordievader> Also it is better to report bugs now than after the release.
[12:48] <MoonUnit`> yeah, but i have a feeling he's going to go through the call centre list of getting people to do stuff before deciding it's a debian/ubuntu problem after all.
[12:52] <xela2244>  hi, openoffice  calc and any other alternatives are not working, i tried installing fglrx-updates but that caused other problems. Help
[12:52] <arran> hi
[12:52] <arran> I am reinstalling 14.04 and now miss all the menues at the top of each application windows.
[12:53] <arran> How I can I get them back?
[12:58] <xela2244> what do you mean?
[12:58] <xela2244> arran
[12:59] <arran> On top of each application windows a menu can or can not be a menu visible. I want to make it visible.
[13:11] <BluesKaj> arran,  post a screenshot
[13:11] <soee> arran: press CTRL + M when in app
[13:14] <BluesKaj> or click on control icon and choose "show menubar"
[13:14] <arran> How?
[13:41] <Inri> Hello!
[13:41] <Inri> Can you still use kde4 in kubuntu 15.04?
[13:42] <arran> inri: I do not think so.
[13:43] <arran> <how do i paste a screenshot into th paste???
[13:50] <BluesKaj> when are thses users gonna learn some patience, they ask a question and in the same minute if they don't get an immediate answer
[13:51] <BluesKaj> and leave
[14:25] <syrinx_temple> Hi all.  Noooob to KDE.  Added a widget to the desktop, placed it too far off to the side, now can't see the "x" to remove it. :(
[14:27] <soee> syrinx_temple: on 15.04 ?
[14:27] <syrinx_temple> soee: yup
[14:27] <soee> syrinx_temple: if you right click on it you don't cave menu option to remove it ?
[14:27] <soee> (be sure widgets are unlocked)
[14:28] <syrinx_temple> oh ffs
[14:28] <syrinx_temple> grumble grumble.... thank you
[14:28] <soee> :)
[14:38] <patrick_> I have a macbook air , I dont like the OS, I would like to use Kubuntu - is this more trouble that its worth ?
[14:47] <soee> patrick_: no idea, never used macbook air, what os is there ?
[14:53] <patrick_> soee:  just the OS X i think
[14:54] <patrick_> soee: I just hate the mouse gestures and windowmanagment on it, silly stuff but i like my kubuntu
[15:08] <BluesKaj> personally i don't fool with gestures etc..never saw the need for them
[15:09] <Guest20352> enybody know when kubuntu 15.10 will be stable?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> probly when it's offically released https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[15:12] <Guest20352> thx
[16:08] <pablolbn85> hi guys I've update Kubuntu 15.04 to KDE 5.4, and there is no option to extract archive directly from Dolphin by right click on archive.  Could you tell me how to restore it ? The same is with creating archive from selected files - there is no option for that.
[16:14] <BluesKaj> pablolbn85,  have you updated and upgraded since the plasma 5.4 install ?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> there should be an extract option with compressed files
[16:20] <pablolbn85> BluesKaj I'm using kubuntu ci stable PPA ani i update it almost daily. I've checked with Kubuntu 15.10 daily live USB and its the same.
[16:22] <BluesKaj> pablolbn85,  do you have ark installed
[16:22] <pablolbn85> yes
[16:23] <BluesKaj> but it doesn't show up in the dialog to extract
[16:25] <nishikino-maki> is Basic-Like（in windows is Visual Basic / in linux is Gambas） program language have access hardware funcation?
[16:25] <pablolbn85> BluesKaj, yes there is no option "Extract..." when I right click on archived file in Dolphin
[16:26] <BluesKaj> pablolbn85,  have you considered using unp
[16:26] <BluesKaj> !unp
[16:27] <BluesKaj> !info unp
[16:31] <pablolbn85> BluesKaj, this is the first I've heard of it :)
[16:32] <BluesKaj> pablolbn85,  it's a command line app but it works well, it's my favourite
[16:35] <pablolbn85> Yeah I see now, it's strange the KDE team removed it from menu, it's big regression for me. Even Windows has this option :>
[16:37] <lordievader> pablolbn85: Your problem was mentioned a few hours ago in #kde too, nobody replied though. Perhaps an idea to mention this in #kde-devel?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> pablolbn85,  it should list ark tho since I have ark in the "open with" dialog
[16:39] <BluesKaj> but I'm on 15.10 beta2
[16:41] <pablolbn85> lordievader thanks, BluesKaj yes it's some kind of solution for extracting files  but there is stil no option to create archive from selected files.
[16:48] <BluesKaj> pablolbn85,  check man unp , think you 'll find an archiving method there
[16:55] <pablolbn85> BluesKaj thanks
[17:20] <carlosjunior> boa tarde, estou utilizando o code blocks no ubuntu. Mas quanto tento salvar um arquivo ele me da a mensagem "File /home/carlosjunior/Documentos/curso de c/.printf could not be saved..."
[17:20] <carlosjunior> como resolvo isso?
[17:21] <carlosjunior> ja tentei executar pelo terminal, ocorre a msm mensagem. E eu estou gravando na pasta do meu usuario.
[17:32] <these_eyes> Open to privmsg.
[17:35] <Gilti> Good afternoon everyone
[19:22] <dawe-tattoo> hy
[19:33] <jubo2> I cannot get any support in #audacity
[19:56] <BluesKaj> jubo2,  could it be because you tend to ignore suggestins
[19:56] <jubo2> no.
[19:57] <jubo2> they don't suggest anything
[19:59] <BluesKaj> what ios audacity doing or not doing, not that I'm any expert altho i did use it to copy some old vinyl LPs to disk a while back
[20:01] <adroit_machine>  Kubuntu 14.04 we're sorry Plasma shell closed unexpectedly. Every 4 seconds. Need help
[20:01] <adroit_machine> kubuntu 15.04*
[20:01] <lordievader> jubo2: To come back to what I said earlier, loopback device in PA works fine.
[20:03] <adroit_machine> kubuntu 15.04 "we're sorry Plasma shell closed unexpectedly" -every 3-4 seconds. Need help!!
[20:03] <jubo2> I have sinewave on mah audio
[20:03] <jubo2> I gonna reboots the thing
[20:03] <jubo2> over 440Hz I'm sure
[21:30] <weewhang> d
[22:30] <tiwake> hmm, my clock is wrong
[22:30] <tiwake> very wrong
[22:32] <bprompt> tiwake:  to set it properly :)
[22:33] <tiwake> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=88528
[22:34] <tiwake> thats the problem I'm getting


[00:03] <achiang> camden: i've never tried applying them myself, but my impression is that con develops against upstream linux, not the ubuntu tree
[00:05] <camden> this is my impression as well
[00:06] <camden> I may have had some success
[00:06] <camden> we will see when my compilation is done.
[00:11] <godber> Anyone have time for, what I hope is, a quick newbie question?
[00:11] <achiang> godber: just ask. someone may see the question later and have a response
[00:11] <godber> just want to know how to build for x86 when on amd64
[00:12] <godber> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[00:12] <godber> according to those instructions ^^
[00:12] <godber> does running
[00:12] <godber> debian/scripts/misc/oldconfig ARCH
[00:12] <godber> somehow make the build be for that architecture?
[00:13] <achiang> godber: i'm confused. what is it you are trying to do? build a 32 bit kernel or a 64 bit kernel? it sounds like you have a 64 bit host, is that right?
[00:14] <godber> yes, 64bit host
[00:14] <godber> want a 32bit kernel
[00:14] <achiang> godber: i'm not familiar with the Ubuntu way. but the upstream way is to say: linux32 make
[00:14] <godber> ok
[00:15] <achiang> godber: so, you might want to experiment with: linux32 debian/scripts/misc/oldconfig x86
[00:15] <godber> yeah, I am trying that right now ... will let you know, thanks
[00:16] <godber> except of course oldconfig doesnt exist
[00:18] <godber> theres kernelconfig
[00:18] <achiang> godber: did you run debian/rules updateconfigs ?
[00:18] <godber> oh, I thought those were alternatives
[00:18] <godber> will try
[00:18] <achiang> godber: and probably, what you want would be: linux32 debian/rules updateconfigs
[00:18] <achiang> godber: but i'm just guessing.
[00:19] <godber> k
[00:19] <godber> actually looking at the kernelconfig script, it looks like it might do the same thing
[00:19] <achiang> godber: should i ask why you think you want to do this? or should i be afraid? :)
[00:20] <godber> well, I have been questioning the wisdom of my actions all day
[00:20] <godber> since I put the odds of success low
[00:20] <godber> but I was going to try and identify which patch causes
[00:20] <godber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/659422
[00:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659422 in linux (Ubuntu) "Boot failure after upgrading kernel to 2.6.32-25-generic (affects: 4) (heat: 133)" [Undecided,New]
[00:22] <camden> alright, kernel done. wish me luck
[00:23] <achiang> godber: yuck.
[00:24] <achiang> godber: i assume you're doing a git bisection run, and not a manual one?
[00:24] <godber> agreed, but until I can convince someone to care, I am out of luck
[00:24] <godber> that was the plan
[00:24] <godber> I thought the exercise would be worth it ... at least up until a point
[00:24] <godber> then I accidentally spent the last hour building the wrong arch :)
[00:24] <godber> I think its been at least ten years since I built a kernel, things have changed
[00:27] <achiang> godber: i don't think you need to run updateconfigs
[00:27] <achiang> or even kernelconfig, really
[00:28] <godber> hmm, I am trying to get as close to the Ubuntu way as I can
[00:28] <achiang> godber: right, but you really only need to run that script if you've updated the Kconfig, which it doesn't sound like you're trying to do
[00:29] <godber> true, though ...
[00:29]  * achiang is grabbing the lucid tree to poke around a bit
[00:30] <godber> oh, you don't have to bother, I am gonna have to split soon
[00:30] <godber> I appreciate your help though
[00:30] <godber> I am gonna have to pickt this pack up in the morning
[00:31] <achiang> do you know the kernel revisions between .32-24-generic and .32-25-generic?
[00:31] <achiang> well, that's easy enough to find, actually
[00:31] <godber> no, I thought I could use the git tags
[00:31] <achiang> right, you can
[00:31] <achiang> i found them
[00:31] <godber> and the bisect good/bad stuff
[00:32] <godber> really, I am on step one ... which is "Create an identical kernel to the one that fails"
[00:33] <godber> at least I am building on an 8core ec2 instance now, instead of my laptop
[00:40] <godber> it really seems to me that the arch should be an argument here
[00:40] <godber> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=2 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[00:41] <jj-afk> godber: you have picked a bad day, most of us are away, /me included :)
[00:41] <jj-afk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev
[00:41] <jj-afk> contains all the docs on how we build kernels etc
[00:41] <godber> yeah, I have been digging around in some of those
[00:42] <jj-afk> generally, you can just git bisect, and remove debian/stamps-build*
[00:43] <jj-afk> and then build using fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[00:43] <achiang> jj-afk: the challenge is building i386 on an x86_64 host
[00:44] <jj-afk> you just need to setup up and i386 chroot and use schroot
[00:44] <achiang> ew, there's no way to use linux32 somehow?
[00:44] <rlpb> any ideas about getting a crash dump when I can't get the kernel to reboot after panic (if that's the cause)?
[00:44] <jj-afk> achiang: you can but the packaging depends on other bits, so it gets messy fast
[00:44] <godber> achiang, its building a whole deb package, so the chroot needs to match the arch
[00:45] <godber> I see
[00:45] <jj-afk> if I am just building kernels I can do it, but packaging up a deb, I just use the chroot
[00:45] <jj-afk> there is a script to set them up for you its pretty painless
[00:45] <achiang> jj-afk: got it.
[00:45] <godber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BuildKernelWithChroot
[00:46] <achiang> godber: ok, sounds like you know the steps then, good luck. :)
[00:46] <godber> ok ... yeah, brilliant
[00:46] <godber> now I know where to start tomorrow
[00:46] <godber> thanks guys
[00:46] <achiang> godber: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/530367/
[00:46] <achiang> fortunately, you probably don't have to iterate very many times, since you've isolated your issue to -24 and -25
[00:47] <godber> oh, yeah, good, thanks
[00:55] <godber> thanks again guys, bywe
[04:17] <Maahes> I could use some advice, my touchpad won't come back after suspend. I've tried reloading psmouse (the only module I've found running prior), I've tried loading synaptics(_i2c) but it says the modules don't exit (but zsh autocompletes them for me) the touchpad is no longer in /proc/bus/input/devices but tpconfig sees that's there, but cannot get information from it.
[05:02] <Maahes> Additionally, I tried binding XF86TouchpadToggle to Ctrl+shift+t, but it says there's an error, no output to any error log though, additionally manually clicking and unclicking the gconf setting for touchpad_enabled does nothing as well
[08:20] <TeTeT> What are the plans for the .26 kernel in lucid-proposed? When will it be moved to lucid-updates?
[08:23] <smb> TeTeT, I believe that one too will be subject to exercise the new revert patches if not tested process, which Steve wants to have a go on Monday. From then on it depends a bit on the decision of waiting for regression testing or not. I would ask him on Monday
[08:24] <TeTeT> smb: so the screen resolution on Esprimo E patch would be safe as I've spent quite some time testing it?
[08:24] <smb> If you mention/report this in the bug report, yes. That should be ok
[08:29] <TeTeT> smb: was done, the tag verification_done was added too
[08:30] <smb> TeTeT, Then I would say you are good/safe
[08:30] <smb> (As long as the scripting goes right of course, but I am pretty sure they double/triple check on that :))
[08:33] <TeTeT> smb: does this mean after removing the untested patches, the kernel will be published in -updates right away, or does it stay in proposed for another week?
[08:35] <smb> TeTeT, The target for the future will be a re-upload with untested things reverted. Then another week for qa regression testing. I don't think we are quite there, but I would think that this at least will be kept for another week in proposed to have some baking time.
[08:38] <TeTeT> smb: sounds reasonable
[08:41] <smb> TeTeT, Mind that I am not authoritative there anymore. Last words would be Steve (or Martin). Just most of the US might be on swap days after the holiday yesterday.
[08:41] <smb> (Martin not being affected there, of course)
[08:44]  * smb waves to cking
[08:46]  * cking waves back
[08:46] <smb> cking, cannot hear
[09:03]  * smb got a feeling there is an apw hiding somewhere
[09:04] <apw> smb, now what makes you think that
[09:04] <smb> apw, Some Andy sends out mail. :)
[09:04] <apw> damn i should have thought of that
[09:04] <smb> :) morning anyway
[09:05] <apw> morning
[12:57] <diwic> bug #640254
[12:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640254 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[Dell Inspiron M101z] Internal speakers does not function in Ubuntu after booting into Win7 once (affects: 1) (heat: 64)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640254
[12:58] <diwic> Can somebody tell me how this stuff is supposed to work with the new throw-your-patches-out policy?
[12:58] <diwic> First it was accepted to pre-stable
[12:58] <diwic> Then it came from upstream
[12:59] <diwic> neither seems to be enough to avoid the throw-patches-out
[13:00] <diwic> I thought we would keep whatever came from upstream.
[13:00] <diwic> upstream stable, that is.
[13:00] <smb> diwic, I would hope that upstream stable takes precedence
[13:00] <smb> but that might be a special case the scripts to come need to handle
[13:01] <smb> You may want to talk to Brad and/or Steve on Monday about that
[13:02]  * diwic does NOT like the new policy.
[13:03]  * smb is not the one to complain about it ;-P
[13:09] <diwic> smb, assuming people do what they should and send things to upstream stable, that is the common case rather than a special case
[13:14] <smb> right, and I think that you would get the benefit of not getting reverted in that case
[13:14] <smb> Though it does not really matter what I think
[13:14] <apw> diwic, things coming down from upstream stable are meant to be immune to the validation failure mode
[13:14] <apw> so if its being thrown out coming down from there there is something wrong
[13:15] <smb> Just make sure that people writing scripts are aware, too
[13:16] <diwic> apw, so if you look at the bug you would agree with me that the threat comment by sconklin (or his bot) is wrong in this case?
[13:17] <apw> diwic, if it came from stable it is a bug yes.  he is probabally assuming all patches with BugLink are not from stable
[13:20] <smb> It could just be a matter of updating the bot not to send a threat when there is a buglink to a stable tracking bug in the same patch as well as being the only one
[13:20] <smb> There is this thing about programs written by humans not always being bulletproof
[13:22] <diwic> yeah.
[13:57] <apw> yeah.  diwic just make sure you bitch at them in email to say you don't think this bug is one that should be on the drop list
[13:57]  * apw notes we are down to just two now
[13:59] <diwic> apw, just two what?
[14:03] <apw> oh ... heh ... /me notes we are down to just two patches dropped from Maverick to Natty which I do not either know should be dropped or have replacements for
[14:37] <diwic> apw, so, now I have bitched.
[14:38] <apw> diwic, hehe good man
[14:39] <diwic> apw, now that I got your attention, how do I review my personal patches for upstreaming and update?
[14:40] <apw> that work item is about looking at the ones we are carrying in your name and deciding whether they should be upstream
[14:40] <apw> if they should not then let me know and i will mark them so that i don't ask you again
[14:40] <apw> if they should be, its a reminder to push them along up there
[14:40] <diwic> apw, and how do I know which ones we are carrying in my name?
[14:41] <apw> ahh they are listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelNattyUbuntuDeltaReview search for your name
[14:43] <diwic> apw, ok, only one and that one should be dropped. Someone else tried to upstream it, I think it got rejected.
[14:44] <apw> ok if you edit the Spec there and add a * this should be dropped (diwic) under them, then i'll drop them as i go
[14:44] <apw> then you can close your work-item :)
[14:47] <diwic> apw, thanks
[16:51] <lag> apw, smb: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/249861/
[19:46] <kraut> howdy, anyone an idea what's going wrong here? http://pastebin.com/sBp8d3ag
[19:46] <kraut> the problem happens on a via esther, is there any issue with the cpu scalling?
[19:46] <kraut> it's reproducable when heavy disk i/o happens