[12:16] <ucordes> BluesKaj: hehe thanks but the problem is there are no layouts available to select from as you can take from my question
[12:16] <ucordes> phobiac: that's very kind i hope you can find it
[12:21] <phobiac> ucordes: I'm going to need some more time, sorry.
[12:22] <NiGhTcHiLd> i just downloaded kubuntu how would i go about to set it up
[12:22] <chard_> how do i list rooms in linox
[12:23] <havard> hi all. why do my documents look like crap when i "print to pdf" in kword?
[12:24] <chard_> help please
[12:25] <erhanr> chard_: ./help list
[12:25] <NiGhTcHiLd> how do i install a different desktop enviroment
[12:27] <chard_> ./help list
[12:29] <ucordes> phobiac: could you email me when you found it? i have to part soon
[12:29] <bum> can someone tell me how to revert to an older kernel
[12:29] <erhanr> without "."
[12:30] <soulrider> bum: is it still installed ?
[12:30] <bum> yes it is
[12:31] <Parkotron> bum: Is it selectable in GRUB at start up?
[12:31] <soulrider> ok
[12:31] <soulrider> exactly
[12:31] <soulrider> if grub never pops up[ press esc
[12:31] <soulrider> and youll be able to select what kernel to user
[12:31] <soulrider> use*
[12:31] <bum> i have set it to boot into it from the grub menu, but i need to install nvidia drivers with it
[12:33] <phobiac> ucordes: You still here?
[12:33] <ucordes> yep
[12:33] <ucordes> did you find the solution?
[12:33] <phobiac> Okay, I remember that LjL helped me with this and he said he posted the solution at the bugs.
[12:33] <now3d> any Qt gurus around..?
[12:34] <phobiac> I don't know where the site is that handles ubuntu's bugs though.
[12:34] <phobiac> !bug
[12:34] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:34] <phobiac> Aha
[12:34] <flaccid0> you will see there is shitloads to be fixed
[12:37] <phobiac> ucordes: I'll look around in there.
[12:38] <rEvolution27> How do I convert codecs such as flash and xvid into stuff that can be played on a dvd player?
[12:38] <fribuntu> Hi all
[12:39] <fribuntu> Does anyone have experience using a Hauppauge pvr350 to watch TV on a linux box?
[12:39] <flaccid0> nope
[12:39] <flaccid0> whats the problem
[12:40] <fribuntu> I have set it up and can indeed watch TV if I use console based "cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg" and then watch that file with vlc or some such.
[12:40] <fribuntu> But I'd like to use a GUI and be able to change the channels without having to type in heaps of console commands.
[12:40] <ucordes> phobiac: i hope you can find it again
[12:40] <ucordes> i'm looking for a fix on it for days
[12:41] <ucordes> i really would like to stick on KDE but if i can't get a way to manage this i will have to go back to gnome
[12:41] <fribuntu> I have tried VLCs "open capture device" and then chose "video4linux" /dev/video0" but that only gives me a "beeeeeep" and a crash of VLC.
[12:42] <julio> anyone knows how install an umax web camara?
[12:42] <fribuntu> none of the TV frontends like XawTV or KDE TV work.
[12:42] <ucordes> julio: plug it in. see lsusb for hardware identifier
[12:42] <ucordes> look it up on google
[12:43] <fribuntu> And all I can find are instructions on how to set up mythTV using SVideo out on a TV to use it as a PVR.
[12:43] <fribuntu> But I just want to watch TV.
[12:43] <fribuntu> and I do NOT want to use a TV for that. That's the whole point of getting a TV card.
[12:43] <bam_> hi.I was wondering if someone could help me out with finding exactly what make and model graphics card I have installed on my pc. Maybe with a command?
[12:44] <julio> thanks ucordes but haw i can do these
[12:44] <bam_> I'm trying to find out if my kubuntu is using a generic driver or if i could find a better fitting driver.
[12:44] <ucordes> open a terminal
[12:44] <phobiac> ucodes: here you go https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/67612
[12:44] <ucordes> julio and type lsusb
[12:44] <phobiac> The post at the bottom is what fixed it for me.
[12:44] <ucordes> phobiac: thanks i owe you one
[12:45] <phobiac> ucordes: Thank me if it works. :P
[12:46] <ucordes> phobiac: i bookmarked it. have to go sleep now i will try it tomorrow. telling you the result when you here. thanks again
[12:46] <bam_> anyone?
[12:46] <phobiac> Okay. I hope it helps you.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> fribuntu, what's yer tv tuner card ?
[12:48] <julio> Isusb
[12:50] <naught101> is there any way to export and re-import all the installed/changed packages from apt-get from one installation to another (say if you CD upgrade)?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> !ubuntu upgrade
[12:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <BluesKaj> !Edgy upgrade
[12:51] <word> for a pentium D..what should my architecture be? pentium, pentium4, pentium4m?
[12:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:52] <BluesKaj> !Edgy-upgrade
[12:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy-upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:52] <BluesKaj> WTF?
[12:52] <word> !upgrade
[12:52] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:52] <word> BluesKaj: ^
[12:53] <BluesKaj> too easy :)
[12:53] <GalaZ> what i need to install for watch .avi files dvdrip?
[12:53] <GalaZ> !avi
[12:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:53] <tarragon> Can anyone help me install a package with Adept? I try to install OOo calc but it fails. The message that flashes up indicates a corrupt package archive. How do I remove this to re-download again?
[12:54] <Lars_G> Good evening all, again. :)
[12:54] <Lars_G> Riddell: Sire, are you around?
[12:54] <GalaZ> Lars_G:  what time is it?
[12:54] <andremarte> scusate il server in italiano_
[12:54] <Lars_G> GalaZ: In what part of the world?
[12:54] <phobiac> Well, I'm off for now.
[12:54] <GalaZ> Lars_G: your :P
[12:54] <BluesKaj> tarragon, check synaptic for broken pkges first
[12:54] <Lars_G> GalaZ: 19:55
[12:55] <GalaZ> 00:55 here
[12:55] <phobiac> !codecs | Galaz
[12:55] <ubotu> Galaz: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:55] <GalaZ> ( Italy ) :P
[12:55] <phobiac> Ah, nvm
[12:55] <phobiac> Okay now I really am off
[12:55] <Lars_G> GalaZ: I normally say a random "good day, evening, morning, night" etc. since it's that somewhere in the world at that time.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[12:55] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:55] <Lars_G> not necesarily related to where I'm at
[12:56] <andremarte> scusate qualcun mi sa dare l-indirizzo del server irc in italiano
[12:56] <BluesKaj> lars , there are 341 ppl in here from all over ..hello will suffice :)
[12:58] <slyfox> What do you people use to do backups ?
[12:59] <GalaZ> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui
[01:00] <GalaZ> i've writed this in konsole... but i can't see the avi anyway..
[01:00] <andremarte> avrei bisogno di sapere per cortesia il link per irc in italiano
[01:01] <erhanr> !italian
[01:01] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:06] <andremarte> varlo pastebin
[01:06] <andremarte> dove lo trovo pastebin
[01:07] <tarragon> BluesKaj, Thanks - corrupt cache file in /var/cache/apt/archives. Removed and Synaptic downloaded and installed.
[01:07] <jheuer> how do i set the default window manager in kdm? kubuntu (for whatever reason) set it to xfce4 and i want it to default to kde
[01:08] <sts9> hmmm, why would my KDE fonts be trashed but my Web fonts in Koqueror be trashed?
[01:08] <sts9> I mean
[01:09] <sts9> webpages disply normally
[01:09] <sts9> but KDE fonts are tiny
[01:09] <sts9> and cant goto the Kcontrol and fix the fonts cause Kcontrol is empty as of last week for my feisty install
[01:11] <sts9> Ive been using KDE for about 3 years and Im about to install gnome just so I can see
[01:11] <andremarte> andremarte
[01:11] <nagyv> how can I know if my webcam is recognized well? (it is possible that the webcam is wrong) Now I get a blank grey/black screen in wengo/kopete preview. Is it a driver problem?
[01:11] <fribuntu> BluesKaj: It is a Hauppauge PVR 350.
[01:11] <sts9> this just happened an hour ago
[01:11] <andre> sup folks
[01:11] <julio> somebody can helpme
[01:11] <nagyv> julio: in what?
[01:12] <julio> i dontknow how to install the web com umax
[01:13] <julio> i mean web cam umax
[01:14] <nagyv> !webcam
[01:14] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:14] <julio> yes
[01:14] <nagyv> julio: did you tried it?
[01:15] <nagyv> you probably have a led on the webcam, is it lighting when you push preview in one of the programs?
[01:15] <julio>  yes but i culdn
[01:15] <julio> no it dont
[01:15] <nagyv> julio: you don't have a led?
[01:16] <julio> yes i have but it dont lighting
[01:18] <rEvolution27> can democracy player doenload audio feeds?
[01:19] <bum> does anyone know how to install the older linux-image-386 for an older kernel?
[01:20] <julio> thankyou friens i am going to
[01:23] <soulrider> !beryl
[01:23] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:48] <slyfox> What do you people use to do backups ?
[01:48] <slyfox> what program ?
[01:49] <Jucato> k3b :D
[01:49] <flaccid0> scp prolly
[01:49] <flaccid0> !backup
[01:49] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:49] <slyfox> what is a one good one that you personally use ?
[01:50] <rEvolution27> anyone know how to download youtube video?
[01:50] <flaccid0> i don't use those i use scp with my own scripts
[01:51] <slyfox> rEvolution27: there are a few firefox extenions that do that
[01:51] <slyfox> search
[01:51] <rEvolution27> slyfox: I was just looking at a greasemonkey script that might work
[01:51] <rEvolution27> thanks
[01:52] <slyfox> rEvolution27: there are extension that do it easy so take a look
[01:52] <rEvolution27> k
[01:52] <nagyv> how can I get the device id of my usb webcam? lsusb does not list it
[01:54] <nagyv> actually, my main problem is that the pwc driver does not supports it, and even if I think I have found the right driver the kernel still loads the pwc module. How can I force it to use the other one?
[01:55] <flaccid0> nagyv: does lsusb list any plugged in usb devs?
[01:56] <flaccid0> nagyv: your last name nagy?
[01:56] <nagyv> flaccid0: yes, I have tried it once more, and now I get the device id too
[01:56] <nagyv> yes
[01:56] <genii> You could try going to a console before you plug the camera in. Then plug it in and standard out to console should report some information about the device
[01:57] <flaccid0> nagyv: so is my girlfriends family. we are in australia
[01:57] <flaccid0> hungarian?
[01:57] <nagyv> flaccid0: is she originally from H... yes
[01:57] <flaccid0> yep sure is
[01:57] <flaccid0> we have lots of nagy's in sydney
[01:57] <flaccid0> :)
[01:57] <nagyv> also in Hungary, but now I am in France :)
[01:57] <flaccid0> nice to meet you
[01:58] <nagyv> :)
[01:58] <flaccid0> cool. i'll call you a lost cousing then :)
[01:58] <flaccid0> err cousin
[01:58] <nagyv> yesterday I met here a girl whose first boyfriend was called nagy
[01:58] <BluesKaj> when ya get married , will she be nagy  :)
[01:58] <nagyv> is it so serious?
[01:58] <flaccid0> well shels already a nagger hehe
[01:58] <BluesKaj> or is she already
[01:58] <flaccid0> yeah we been together about 6 years or something
[01:59] <BluesKaj> cool
[01:59] <nagyv> flaccid0: nice!
[01:59] <flaccid0> we not big on marriage. we might as well be married!
[01:59] <BluesKaj> wifey and I have been together 41 yrs
[01:59] <flaccid0> i'll get over to hungary eventually to meet the nagys but yeah i guess that will be a while away
[02:00] <flaccid0> thats wicked BluesKaj
[02:00] <BluesKaj> <---old retired guy , with lotsa time to learn linux
[02:00] <flaccid0> sweet
[02:00] <vgerasimos> hi
[02:00] <flaccid0> i'd learn unix if i were you
[02:01] <BluesKaj> hehe , don't wanna get too difficult
[02:01] <BluesKaj> unix ..where can i use that ?
[02:02] <genii> On some bsd box?
[02:03] <bestadvocate> hey, I had a problem with Amarok,  can't get it to run, crashes when it tries to load my library for the first time.   Says that I need to replace my "Taglib".  Anyone else have this problem? anyone know how to fix it?
[02:03] <vgerasimos> hello there
[02:03] <vgerasimos> I just installed KDE on my Ubuntu Box
[02:03] <bestadvocate> hello
[02:04] <bestadvocate> cool
[02:04] <rEvolution27> how'd the kde install go?
[02:04] <vgerasimos> and many were installed in my system
[02:04] <vgerasimos> the thing is, I don't need them actually
[02:04] <bestadvocate> many?
[02:05] <vgerasimos> yeah, Kubuntu appd
[02:05] <vgerasimos> apps
[02:05] <bestadvocate> Kde is  a sweet of applications, like gnome.
[02:05] <vgerasimos> yeah sure
[02:05] <vgerasimos> but i'm on gnome
[02:05] <bestadvocate> you can hide the icons
[02:06] <bestadvocate> do you want to be on kde?
[02:06] <vgerasimos> yeah, how?
[02:06] <fernando_> how can I set CXX variable for g++4.0 as default??
[02:06] <vgerasimos> i wont to have those apps when i'm on KDE
[02:06] <bestadvocate> oh just left click the applications button
[02:06] <vgerasimos> and the others on Gnome
[02:06] <vgerasimos> do you see what i mean?
[02:07] <bestadvocate> yah gnome can hide the kde apps
[02:07] <vgerasimos> yeah?How?
[02:07] <Jucato> if you hide the apps from the menu using GNOME's menu editor, when you log in to KDE, they will be hidden as well
[02:07] <bestadvocate> left click the applications button at the top of your screen
[02:07] <bestadvocate> nope
[02:07] <bestadvocate> oh?
[02:07] <bestadvocate> oops
[02:07] <flaccid0> genii: yep thats what i'd do. freebsd/any bsd
[02:08] <Jucato> feel free to experiment if you want
[02:08] <vgerasimos> Ok, one question
[02:08] <vgerasimos> if i hide them now
[02:09] <vgerasimos> will i be able to have them appeared when i login with KDE?
[02:09] <bestadvocate> jucanto says thats unlikely
[02:09] <Jucato> hm... nope. iirc
[02:10] <genii> flaccid0 My main box at home multiboots to fbsd6.1, dapper, and XP
[02:10] <vgerasimos> bestadvocate was that for me?
[02:10] <bestadvocate> yup
[02:11] <flaccid0> genii: thats what i was going to do on my notebook. ive settled for just pcbsd instead.
[02:12] <main> wut up
[02:13] <main> pretty bored
[02:13] <main> anyone here?
[02:14] <vgerasimos> me!
[02:14] <main> yeah..
[02:14] <main> know any good games to download
[02:14] <main> lol
[02:14] <main> ?
[02:15] <devilsadvocate> frozen-bubble
[02:15] <nagyv> main: ksokoban
[02:15] <main> ive been play armagetron fro while
[02:15] <main> any of those multiplayer?
[02:15] <nagyv> devilsadvocate: frozen-bubble is good only with two players
[02:15] <main> as in online?
[02:15] <devilsadvocate> i know
[02:15] <main> ksokoban
[02:15] <nagyv> no
[02:15] <flaccid0> man my boss needs to set out work for me so i don't run out.
[02:16] <flaccid0> its only 12pm
[02:16] <main> start playing games
[02:16] <main> ..lol
[02:16] <nagyv> its only 2am
[02:16] <main> no ur wrong!!
[02:16] <main> its 5pm
[02:16] <flaccid0> i wish it was 5pm i'd go home
[02:16] <flaccid0> :
[02:16] <main> where do u work?
[02:17] <flaccid0> at a web dev company
[02:17] <nagyv> main: you are living in the past, it's already wednesday. flaccid0, am I right?
[02:17] <bestadvocate> I'm going to try upgrading amarok to fix the taglib problem....
[02:17] <main> uhh go web dev around then
[02:17] <flaccid0> wed 12:20pm aest
[02:17] <main> maann
[02:17] <main> that must be boring
[02:17] <rEvolution27> we have a bored party!
[02:17] <main> damn right
[02:17] <nagyv> lol
[02:18] <flaccid0> i've been left to hack code without much information. i so don't feel like it
[02:18] <flaccid0> i'm thinking about going home
[02:18] <main> so dont do it
[02:18] <rEvolution27> neat... i'm still in tuesday :)
[02:18] <bestadvocate> something tells me this is going to crash some programs....
[02:18] <main> be like "boss this is crap..ur crapp.. i quit"
[02:18] <nagyv> bestadvocate: you can never know unless you try! :)
[02:19] <main> yeah crash away!!
[02:19] <bestadvocate> nagyv: hazah!
[02:19] <flaccid0> hehe hes prolly sleeping as he stayed back yesterday to code all night
[02:19] <rEvolution27> offtopic anyone?...
[02:19] <main> maybe u should be sleeping too..
[02:19] <flaccid0> on topic anyone?
[02:19] <rEvolution27> I gues this chanell is quite though
[02:19] <flaccid0> imo its healthy to talk when there is no problem. builds rapport.
[02:19] <rEvolution27> god I can't spell channelll
[02:19] <Jucato> !offtopic
[02:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:19] <flaccid0> chanel
[02:19] <rEvolution27> umm no
[02:20] <rEvolution27> tht's perfumee
[02:20] <flaccid0> until Jucato does !offtopic :p
[02:20] <Jucato> that's what the offtopic channel is for. building rapport there
[02:20] <main> okay lets talk about kubuntu..
[02:20] <main> uhh
[02:20] <flaccid0> you dont need another channel to build rapport
[02:20] <Jucato> yes, so that traffic for support doesn't get clogged by traffic from offtopic
[02:20] <main> silence..
[02:21] <flaccid0> well i'm keeping any ye on support traffic. i think we all are
[02:21] <main> yeah its hard to miss
[02:21] <rEvolution27> true
[02:21] <main> some crash there computer and ask questions on how to fix it...
[02:21] <main> someone*
[02:22] <nagyv> alright! I have found a question! :)
[02:22] <Sherl> when does KDE4 come out
[02:22] <flaccid0> !kde4
[02:22] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[02:22] <Sherl> !kde4
[02:22] <rEvolution27> Not soon
[02:22] <flaccid0> next please
[02:22] <Jucato> Sherl: no target date, but sometime this year
[02:22] <main> wo ho!!
[02:22] <nagyv> how to set up a kprinter under wine? the docs I have found on the net do not work, it says, I have some missing driver
[02:22] <main> that was some crazy support
[02:22] <Jucato> 2nd half or last quarter probably...
[02:23] <flaccid0> why do you need wine for print server?
[02:23] <main> man this my like 4 th day using kubuntu..
[02:23] <main> i feel like  a little kid again...
[02:23] <nagyv> no just for basic printing (mainly pdf :) )
[02:23] <soulrider> main, how are you liking it so far ?
[02:23] <flaccid0> oh client printing
[02:23] <main> irritating but tolerable
[02:23] <Jucato> nagyv: PDF printing?
[02:23] <main> ill get used to it
[02:23] <rEvolution27> main: lol... kubuntu rocks
[02:23] <flaccid0> i've never tired sorry nagyv
[02:24] <nagyv> Jucato: yes, it works pretty well under kde
[02:24] <Jucato> ah
[02:24] <main> k question
[02:24] <rEvolution27> main: I did... kinda
[02:24] <main> how do i get my special laptop buttons working
[02:24] <soulrider> main: maybe the differences in the interface are the things irritating you
[02:24] <nagyv> main: it can happen that they were not recognised
[02:24] <soulrider> i bet you probably feel slow using ubuntu
[02:24] <main> nah its how things dont work sometimes lol
[02:25] <soulrider> i think everything worked out of the box for me
[02:25] <nagyv> main: but you can always get them working once you found out the keycodes with xev
[02:25] <soulrider> i guess im lucky
[02:25] <nagyv> soulrider: you are basic :)
[02:25] <main> keycodes with xev??
[02:25] <main> can u elaborate on that?
[02:25] <rEvolution27> things always work if you do it right. Unlike windows where things stop working for no valid reason.
[02:25] <flaccid0> here is a good question for aussies. how do you report spam? i've reported to adma before, no response. seems like the spam act was a waste of time.
[02:25] <main> yeah but if windows break i usually know wat happened
[02:26] <soulrider> nagyv: how that ?
[02:26] <soulrider> main and have to reformat every few months because its unbearibly slow ?
[02:26] <main> wat is this "keycode with xev"??
[02:26] <main> windows or kubuntu
[02:26] <rEvolution27> I find no matter that people say, kubuntu is still for more technically minded people. r people who love to learn.
[02:26] <main> cuz i haven reformatted windows in 2 years and it was still working
[02:27] <nagyv> start xev in the console, and click a space, you wil see a lot of stuff, and also a part starting with KeyPress, in this there will be somewhere keycode 65, found similar numbers for your special keys, and then I will continue how to teach kde to use them os F13-F14567
[02:27] <nagyv> os->as
[02:27] <main> yeah windows was starting to irritate me..
[02:27] <nagyv> main: I knew it too, it crashed :)
[02:27] <rEvolution27> I had to re-format ubuntu the day I installed it
[02:27] <main> kinda like im stuck in a  box
[02:28] <mbelleza> hey...
[02:28] <rEvolution27> hey
[02:28] <bestadvocate> yo
[02:28] <main> i need to get better at this thing
[02:28] <main> like i cant even use console without a tutorial
[02:29] <rEvolution27> Well main, people aren't born with that ability
[02:29] <nagyv> main: I would say, that you can't use google :)
[02:29] <main> yeah its ahrd
[02:29] <main> hard
[02:29] <cj_> jucato are there good morning
[02:29] <main> and google isnt very helpful sometimes
[02:29] <Jucato> hi cj_
[02:30] <main> when its a really specific problem
[02:30] <bestadvocate> main: xev is one cute program (google image search)
[02:30] <rEvolution27> Get some documentation.... Linux documentation, Debian documentation, Ubuntu Documentation, KDE documentation and read
[02:30] <sleepy745> anyone have any ideas why my newest program menus are white and grey?
[02:30] <nagyv> main: google can be only the first step, it can happen that you need more
[02:30] <sleepy745> Running Kubutu 6.10 edgy
[02:30] <main> maann
[02:31] <main> wats the difference between dapper and edgy?
[02:31] <nagyv> !dapper
[02:31] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[02:31] <nagyv> !edgy
[02:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[02:31] <bestadvocate> main: dapper has long term support, edgy is the latest release.
[02:31] <main> oh
[02:31] <flaccid0> edgy is lts too?
[02:31] <rEvolution27> Why does dapper have long term support? Is it more stable or something?
[02:31] <flaccid0> but shorter
[02:31] <nagyv> flaccid0: nope
[02:32] <flaccid0>  not that lts seems to do anything...
[02:32] <flaccid0> apparently its lts 1 or something
[02:32] <nagyv> exactly
[02:32] <flaccid0> LTS is a load of shit
[02:32] <dwidmann> edgy gets security updates for 18 months, dapper gets it for 3 years
[02:32] <LjL> !language
[02:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:32] <nagyv> rEvolution27: for the business users
[02:32] <php-freak_> hey is there skyp messager for kubuntu?
[02:32] <php-freak_> skype*
[02:32] <dawn> how can you check what version xorg you are running?
[02:32] <rEvolution27> yes there is skype
[02:32] <LjL> and no flaccid0 edgy simply isn't lts
[02:32] <nagyv> php-freak_: yes
[02:32] <main> its in there somewhere
[02:32] <nagyv> !skype | php-freak_
[02:33] <ubotu> php-freak_: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[02:33] <flaccid0> what is lts
[02:33] <LjL> flaccid0: i beg to differ
[02:33] <LjL> !lts
[02:33] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[02:33] <main> is skype still freee right now?
[02:33] <devilsadvocate> flaccid0, LTS  is LOng Term Support.
[02:33] <nagyv> lts=Long Term Support
[02:33] <dawn> !xorg
[02:33] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:33] <flaccid0> which means what exatly
[02:33] <flaccid0> "supported"
[02:33] <LjL> flaccid0: so you call something a load of whatever without having a clue what it is? interesting
[02:33] <flaccid0> what do i get out of LTS
[02:33] <nagyv> 3 years updates on deskopt, 5 on server
[02:33] <php-freak_> I was thinking kopete would have skype in it :(
[02:33] <devilsadvocate> flaccid0, security updates
[02:33] <LjL> flaccid0: you get security updates and bugfixes, for starters
[02:33] <flaccid0> LjL: thats not my fault
[02:33] <nagyv> for the other releases only 18months
[02:33] <flaccid0> i do? could of fooled me
[02:34] <flaccid0> the bugs i've reported have been outstanding for months
[02:34] <nagyv> flaccid0: but you don't get firefox2 for example for 3 years! (if I get it well)
[02:34] <dawn> why 18 vs 3 years?
[02:34] <flaccid0> do i have to wait 3 years for them to fix it?
[02:34] <dawn> lol
[02:34] <LjL> flaccid0: yes
[02:34] <rEvolution27> flaccid0: I was just gonna say try waiting 3 years
[02:34] <flaccid0> effectively LTS is misleading and does nothing.
[02:34] <nagyv> dawn: because 3*6=18
[02:34] <LjL> right. now back to kubuntu support
[02:35] <dawn> duh..... why 10 months support for edgy and then 3 years for dapper?
[02:35] <flaccid0> i mean why would you choose an operating system that doesn't fix bugs. all distros would be LTS then...
[02:35] <dawn> 18 months, I mean
[02:35] <dawn> kubuntu support...*NOD*
[02:35] <LjL> flaccid0: then don't choose it
[02:35] <flaccid0> dawn: i just got told that there is no LTS on edgy. is this STS or something
[02:35] <dawn> heh
[02:35] <flaccid0> LjL: well i don't choose it anymore. i choose pcbsd.
[02:36] <LjL> cool
[02:36] <dawn> I know there is no LTS for edgy
[02:36] <nagyv> dawn: there was a need for LTS, but for the geeks it is more fancy to always have cutting edge, so 3 years cycle don't work, and it is not viable to have so many concurrent versions
[02:36] <dawn> ahhh ok nagyv
[02:36] <main> computers are a load of poo..
[02:36] <dawn> I understand now
[02:36] <bestadvocate> dang, upgrading amarok did not solve my "taglib" error.
[02:36] <dawn> says you
[02:36] <flaccid0> bestadvocate: try a dif os :)
[02:36] <dawn> .me shuts her *hole*
[02:36] <bestadvocate> anyone have any suggestions?  is it possible to downgrade amarok?
[02:37] <flaccid0> bestadvocate: compile latest from source
[02:37] <main> when are they gonna find away to hook up my computer directly to my brain?
[02:37] <dwidmann> bestadvocate: maybe updating the tagging library instead would help?
[02:37] <main> all this learning lag is irritating
[02:37] <musya> anyone know of a good web developer for gnome perferably? ubuntu channel is no help. a developer like dreamweaver
[02:37] <bestadvocate> forgive me if I ignore your advice flaccid0
[02:37] <rEvolution27> dawn: probably....
[02:37] <bestadvocate> dwidmann: how?
[02:37] <dawn> Kool
[02:37] <devilsadvocate> dawn, it sure will. i've seen the monster that is vista
[02:37] <dawn> :)
[02:37] <flaccid0> musya: you want a wysiwyg ?
[02:38] <nagyv> bestadvocate: I think that of you add a repository with an older version, then you can try to do it, but are you sure that it would solve your problem?
[02:38] <flaccid0> bestadvocate: thats ok. forgive yourself i you don't fix the problem :)
[02:38] <dawn> oh you saw "the WOW?
[02:38] <dawn> LMAO
[02:38] <musya> flaccid0: whats that?
[02:38] <flaccid0> musya: dreamweaver is a wysyiwig
[02:38] <Sherl> whats a good lightweight browser to install
[02:38] <dwidmann> !info libtagc0
[02:38] <ubotu> libtagc0: TagLib Audio Meta-Data Library (C bindings). In component main, is optional. Version 1.4-4 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 60 kB
[02:38] <flaccid0> what you see is what you rget
[02:38] <bestadvocate> nagyv: definitely not sure
[02:38] <LjL> !browsers | sherl
[02:38] <ubotu> sherl: Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache2
[02:38] <rEvolution27> dawnn: What's vista except xp with widgets, search and flip 3d?
[02:38] <nagyv> flaccid0: not necessarily wysiwyg=what you see is what you get
[02:38] <flaccid0> Sherl: lynx
[02:38] <LjL> sherl: dillo for instance
[02:38] <musya> flaccid0: yea i guess so.
[02:38] <musya> know of any
[02:38] <dawn> Evolution27: exactly
[02:38] <musya> ?
[02:39] <jesvs> hi
[02:39] <flaccid0> huh
[02:39] <jesvs> anybody can give me a good repositorie list pls?
[02:39] <nagyv> bestadvocate: I doubt it :( (actually I don't really know your problem, just know that you are working on it for a long time)
[02:39] <LjL> !easysource > jesvs    (jesvs, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:39] <nagyv> jesvs: you can find one on ubuntuguide.org
[02:39] <Sherl> !browsers
[02:39] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache2
[02:39] <flaccid0> musya: have a look at apt:/search?wysiwyg in konqueror. there is one but i can't remember the name of it sorry.
[02:40] <BluesKaj> !Repositories
[02:40] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:40] <musya> im looking for gnome but the ubuntu channel is of no help
[02:40] <BluesKaj> http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[02:40] <dawn> !gnonme
[02:40] <dawn> !gnome
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnonme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <musya> ill do apt-cache search for wysiwyg
[02:40] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[02:40] <LjL> musya, i gave you the following factoid if you noticed:
[02:40] <LjL> !html
[02:40] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[02:40] <LjL> is this no help at all?
[02:40] <flaccid0> musya: gnome is desktop environment, not a wysiwyg
[02:41] <dawn> gnome, kde, xfc
[02:41] <bestadvocate> nagyv: thanks, i found a ubuntu wikipage of people with simmiler problems but no one there seems to have a solution ether
[02:41] <flaccid0> musya: follow what LjL pasted for you
[02:41] <musya> no i know im on gnome i need a web developer for it,
[02:41] <main> question
[02:41] <dawn> frontpage
[02:41] <dawn> haha
[02:41] <devilsadvocate> musya, what exactly do you need?
[02:41] <musya> the ubuntu channel was just being stupi
[02:41] <main> i just installed some "game" packages and there not in the games menu??where could they be?
[02:41] <flaccid0> bluefish and quanta meant to be ok from what i've heard
[02:41] <musya> a web developer
[02:42] <main> ?
[02:42] <devilsadvocate> musya, hire one
[02:42] <nagyv> musya: you can use kde-based applications too under gnome
[02:42] <flaccid0> musya: don't call it a web developer. call it a wysiwyg html editor
[02:42] <musya> yea you just need the kde libs dont you?
[02:42] <nagyv> main: it can happen that you have to logout/login
[02:42] <dawn> Wizzi-wig
[02:42] <main> ohh
[02:42] <musya> flaccid0: sorry i dont remember that
[02:42] <main> okay ill try that now
[02:42] <musya> lol
[02:42] <main> brb
[02:42] <nagyv> musya: or something similar
[02:42] <jesvs> thx u guys
[02:42] <musya> ok
[02:42] <flaccid0> musya: a web developer is a person.
[02:42] <devilsadvocate> musya, nvu
[02:42] <dawn> Gals, ahem
[02:43] <musya> a web developing application such as dreamweaver....sorry..
[02:43] <devilsadvocate> !nvu | musya
[02:43] <ubotu> musya: nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[02:44] <flaccid0> try to use terms musya it will help you and others
[02:45] <main> okay
[02:45] <main> the pakcages i installed are still not showing up anywhere
[02:45] <musya> ok
[02:45] <main> packages*
[02:45] <devilsadvocate> main, what packages?
[02:45] <main> some game packages
[02:46] <php-freak_> so kopete don't have skypee integrated?
[02:46] <main> haha
[02:46] <nagyv> main: what did you installed?
[02:46] <main> kubuntu hates me
[02:46] <main> i can feel it lol
[02:46] <nagyv> main: in my case there were also a couple of apps that did not get into the menu
[02:46] <main> hold on
[02:47] <nagyv> main: anyway, you can add them to the desired location by right clicking in the appripriate subgroup of the menu
[02:47] <flaccid0> php-freak_: nope. there is some plugin but its just a wrapper to the external skype binary iirc.
[02:47] <flaccid0> time for lunch
[02:47] <main> some penguin game..
[02:47] <main> lol
[02:48] <nagyv> php-freak_: and even that plugin does not work, because the Skype API is a piece of ...
[02:48] <nagyv> trash
[02:48] <main> wait where do i find it?
[02:48] <nagyv> main: use this command: more /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "status installed"
[02:49] <nagyv> it will list your package manager's log file
[02:49] <nagyv> but only the status installed lines
[02:49] <php-freak_> what is skypee, is skypee irc?
[02:49] <Jucato> !skype
[02:49] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[02:49] <Jucato> skype is voip
[02:49] <nagyv> php-freak_: but you can choose also an open alternative, like wengophone
[02:49] <francisco> Greetings
[02:50] <nagyv> php-freak_: it has much better support for linux(, and much smaller network :( )
[02:50] <main> nagyv iits showing up in that command
[02:50] <main> but where do i find it
[02:50] <sleepy745> When I go to menus, and select a different menu from the dropdown bar I see the last menu in the background, like it's frozen there, anyway to fix?
[02:50] <main> ?
[02:50] <nagyv> whereis commandname
[02:50] <nagyv> main^^^
[02:50] <nagyv> it is probably under /usr/bin
[02:50] <NkZ> Greetings. Adept manager won't let me install programs. They will show up like in gray color. How can I do to install the programs via Adept?
[02:51] <main> jebus
[02:51] <main> k
[02:51] <Jucato> !adept | NkZ
[02:51] <ubotu> NkZ: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:51] <NkZ> Thanks
[02:51] <php-freak_> so skypee is a great thing?
[02:52] <nagyv> php-freak_: if you have friends who use them yes, otherwise it is useless
[02:52] <nagyv> php-freak_: it's a network good
[02:52] <php-freak_> yes
[02:52] <php-freak_> very good friends
[02:52] <php-freak_> hehehe
[02:52] <php-freak_> hehe a large company contacted me today
[02:52] <php-freak_> hehehe
[02:54] <NkZ> Also, Another question: Ubuntu had the "Sessions" menu to set up things to load at startup, how I do that at Kubuntu?
[02:54] <BluesKaj> hehe, what's so funny ..hehe
[02:54] <nagyv> lol
[02:54] <main> i found packages
[02:54] <main> but when i ran them some of them dont work
[02:54] <main> maaannnn
[02:54] <rich__> can you tell me why irc is telling me i need to be invited to #ubuntu?
[02:54] <rich__> never had to before
[02:55] <rich__> grrrr
[02:55] <rich__> hello...is this thing on?
[02:56] <underdog5004> yep
[02:56] <nagyv> yes, we simply don't have an answer
[02:57] <NkZ> Ubuntu had the "Sessions" menu to set up things to load at startup, how I do that at Kubuntu?
[02:57] <underdog5004> rich__, you can't do this? /join #ubuntu
[02:57] <BluesKaj> rich__, yer nick has to be registered with nickserv if you want PM anyone , but you should be able to join #ubuntu without registration
[02:57] <NkZ> For Example, Beryl.
[02:57] <rich__> underdog5004:
[02:57] <Jucato> NkZ: that's the default behavior for Kubuntu
[02:57] <nagyv> NkZ: you have to put the autostarting apps (or a symlink) to ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:57] <Jucato> NkZ: to load things that were left running at logout
[02:58] <rich__> underdog5004: sorry no it takes me to unregged and i was connected earlier to #ubuntu you dont have to register
[02:58] <underdog5004> rich__, it may be that there is already someone in the channel w/ your name...
[02:58] <NkZ> Thanks!
[02:58] <rich__> no they are having technical difficulties
[02:58] <rich__> i just found out
[02:58] <bestadvocate> I give up I'm uninstalling amarok
[02:58] <rich__> thx though
[02:58] <underdog5004> np
[02:58] <nagyv> Jucato: it happens that you want to run some small script (like I mount my external drive always at login)
[02:59] <Jucato> !autostart | NkZ
[02:59] <ubotu> NkZ: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[02:59] <Jucato> nagyv: ^^^
[02:59] <nagyv> thx
[03:00] <NkZ> Kubuntu and Ubuntu are really different. :-P
[03:00] <NkZ> That is, KDE and Gnome.
[03:00] <Jucato> as different as KDE and GNOME are
[03:00] <underdog5004> yep
[03:00] <sleepy745> how do I make some of my grey menu's readable
[03:00] <NkZ> I just switched from Ubuntu, Hard to get used to this. :-)
[03:02] <deathnote> i have a problem installing beryl....after following the instructions on the web, when i log in, it just restart me into the login screen again...
[03:02] <bestadvocate> thanks all for being helpful, Kubuntu and Ubuntu's IRC servers are unfailingly full of the most generously helpful people.
[03:17] <endo602> how do i set up my kwallet so that i dont have to type in the root password no more?
[03:18] <deathnote> hi, how do u unrar a rar file in console? tar?
[03:19] <fignew> deathnote: apt-get install unrar-free
[03:19] <nagyv> endo602: you can not set it up so, kwallet is to defend you really important data
[03:19] <bia> hi
[03:20] <fignew> and use that
[03:20] <nagyv> endo602: but you won't need to remember everything, just you kwallet password
[03:20] <LjL> !rar > deathnote    (deathnote, see the private message from Ubotu)
[03:20] <LjL> deathnote: tar is for tar. rar is for rar. actually, you want unrar ;)
[03:20] <luc1fersflowers> hello all
[03:20] <posingaspopular> luc1fersflowers: !!
[03:21] <bia> ups? wo bin ich denn jetzt gelandet
[03:21] <luc1fersflowers> sorry to interupt any ongoing converation, but i was wondering if anyone could direct me to a faq regaurding creative audio devices?
[03:21] <fignew> was meinst du?
[03:21] <posingaspopular> luc1fersflowers: yea i'll poke around.
[03:21] <posingaspopular> no need to apologize
[03:22] <luc1fersflowers> thanks :D
[03:22] <posingaspopular> what are you looking for specifically?
[03:22] <endo602> how do i set up so that when i use kdesu i dont have to enter a password/?
[03:23] <bia> verflucht, das kommt davon wenn man keine ahung hat
[03:23] <luc1fersflowers> well, i'm trying to get my external (creative extigy) to work full time on my system
[03:24] <luc1fersflowers> i've done it in the past but have sence taken a break from linux and have lost all the info i had
[03:24] <dwidmann> endo602, it's easy to do, but I don't recommend doing it
[03:24] <endo602> well
[03:24] <endo602> i am the only one who uses this machine
[03:24] <endo602> no other users
[03:24] <bia> htte ich doch bloss nie den gedanken gehabt umzusteigen
[03:25] <fignew> LOL! endo602
[03:25] <endo602> and its protected behind secure firewall
[03:25] <NkZ> Also, I wanted to ask: I can't find the menu applet that shows me my connection strength (Wi-Fi)
[03:25] <dwidmann> endo602, you can probably get the effect by editing your sudoers file
[03:25] <dwidmann> open a terminal and type "sudo visudo"
[03:26] <posingaspopular> that's an.... mp3 system right?
[03:26] <endo602> ok
[03:26] <bia> was is das hier eigentlich
[03:27] <deathnote> so should i use unrar free or non free?
[03:27] <deathnote> free one failed in extracting..hm
[03:27] <Prisoner_> hello
[03:28] <luc1fersflowers> posingaspopular: yes
[03:28] <deathnote> nvmind..unrar worked
[03:28] <dwidmann> edit the %admin line to read "%admin yourcomputersname=NOPASSWD:(All) All"
[03:28] <dwidmann> I'm not sure if that is quite right, but it should be close, also, be sure to sub out yourcomputersname ....
[03:29] <bia> jetzt hab ich, glaube ich zumindest, verstanden was das hier is
[03:29] <endo602> i will
[03:30] <endo602> hmmmm
[03:30] <pgdown> where are the power-saving options in kubuntu?
[03:30] <endo602> said there is an error
[03:31] <endo602> do i put the computers name
[03:31] <bia> dann stell auch ich mal ne frage: ich kann keine dvds gucken
[03:31] <endo602> or my user name?
[03:31] <endo602> can i just put in the user name?
[03:31] <dwidmann> computers name
[03:31] <NkZ> I can't find the menu applet that shows me my connection strength (Wi-Fi)
[03:31] <endo602> i screwed up
[03:32] <endo602> i put the user name and now i cant use sudo
[03:32] <posingaspopular> luc1fersflowers: try this
[03:32] <posingaspopular> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=473&cat=81
[03:32] <dwidmann> you'll have to reboot in recovery mode and fix the file endo602
[03:32] <endo602> ok
[03:32] <endo602> i use the comp name this time
[03:32] <endo602> see if that works
[03:32] <endo602> bbs
[03:33] <NkZ> Anyone knows where I can find the connection strength applet?
[03:33] <NkZ> For the KDE Menu.
[03:33] <pgdown> where is the powersaving options in kubuntu?
[03:33] <NkZ> something like gnome-networkmanager but for KDE. :-P
[03:33] <bia> sprechen denn hier alle nur englisch?
[03:34] <cgeo> anybody knows how to make mplayer plugin work on opera. it works fine in firefox
[03:36] <cgeo> jn
[03:37] <torkk> hi
[03:38] <n8k99> NkZ wlanassitant under internet
[03:38] <n8k99> ah! wrong - hang on
[03:38] <bia> is denn hier niemand der deutsch spricht
[03:38] <torkk> in Ubuntu there is this thing when tabbing a command that it will show all its options, could someone show me their .bashrc or bash-completion configuration files? I would greatly appreciate as I wanna have this in Gentoo
[03:39] <torkk> was ist diese?
[03:39] <torkk> eine deutsche canal?
[03:39] <n8k99> NkZ right click on the panel and select add applet
[03:39] <endo602> dwidmann, that line you gave me is not good.
[03:39] <torkk> ich mochte hilfe bitte
[03:39] <Hirvinen> !de
[03:39] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:39] <james__> sup guys
[03:39] <endo602> adding NOPASSWD: give me a line error
[03:39] <n8k99> NkZ there will be a menu of applets to install
[03:40] <torkk> ok so this is an english channel
[03:40] <n8k99> NkZ teh one you want is called "Wireless Network information"
[03:40] <bia> danke heit glaube ich znks oder so
[03:41] <NkZ> n8k99: That one is not showed on the list. Where can I DL it?
[03:41] <torkk> anyone read my question??
[03:42] <n8k99> ah, you can use Adept  to install kdeextras
[03:42] <NkZ> Roger that. Thanks!
[03:42] <torkk> bia: ach du bist scheisse, dis ist nich keine deutsche kannal. RAUS!
[03:43] <NkZ> Cant find KDE extras on Adept
[03:44] <n8k99> do you have all your repositories enabled?
[03:44] <deathnote> when i try to play from mplayer, i get vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! ....help!
[03:44] <n8k99> !repos
[03:44] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:44] <dwidmann> endo602:
[03:44] <dwidmann> I'm back, and I know why
[03:44] <endo602> ?
[03:44] <NkZ> KDE addons I think you meant
[03:44] <NkZ> Will try that one.
[03:44] <dwidmann> did a little experiment, walked away a few minutes, and I'm back now
[03:44] <endo602> cool
[03:45] <torkk> anyone read my question please??
[03:45] <endo602> not working with boxname=NOPASSWD:(all) all
[03:45] <NkZ> What kind of experiment is that?
[03:45] <dwidmann> change it to read "%.......NOPASSWD:ALL
[03:45] <endo602> ?
[03:46] <endo602> read %admin compname=NOPASSWD:ALL?
[03:46] <NkZ> Now I know why they say "Intel inside, Idiot Outside" they were refering to me. :-P
[03:46] <dwidmann> right.
[03:46] <endo602> let me try
[03:46] <grim76> I think all daughters have fun tormenting their fathers.
[03:46] <posingaspopular> torkk: im sorry, what language are you trying to communicate in?
[03:47] <dwidmann> NkZ: supposedly me as well
[03:47] <grim76> doh wrong window sorry
[03:47] <endo602> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 19 <<<
[03:47] <NkZ> Ha ha ha ha I can't find that damn KDE applet for the Wifi
[03:47] <torkk> hello?
[03:47] <NkZ> I just installed KDE addons
[03:47] <dwidmann> gah, so that didn't work either endo602?
[03:47] <endo602> nope
[03:48] <posingaspopular> torkk: is that german?
[03:48] <dwidmann> odd
[03:48] <dwidmann> I would think it woudl
[03:48] <cgeo> anybody knows how to make mplayer plugin work on opera. it works fine on firefox
[03:49] <torkk> posingaspopular: english, did you check my questoni?
[03:49] <torkk> posingaspopular: naa, I was answering that dude who kept tawking in deutsch
[03:49] <torkk> in Ubuntu there is this thing when tabbing a command that it will show all its options, could someone show me their .bashrc or bash-completion configuration files? I would greatly appreciate as I wanna have this in Gentoo
[03:49] <torkk> posingaspopular: ^^
[03:49] <torkk> ^^^
[03:50] <endo602> dwidmann, any other ideas?
[03:50] <dwidmann> endo602, it seems to be working for me
[03:50] <dwidmann> maybe you have the computer name wrong?
[03:50] <posingaspopular> where is this command/tab?
[03:50] <posingaspopular> got it now
[03:50] <posingaspopular> I can't read
[03:50] <james__> lol
[03:50] <endo602> hoe do i find out the real computer name?
[03:51] <dwidmann> endo602: type "hostname" in a terminal
[03:51] <endo602> no its the real one
[03:52] <dwidmann> Hmm, so it looks like "%admin hostname=NOPASSWD:ALL"? Also, spacing probably counts
[03:53] <endo602> spacing?
[03:53] <torkk> great
[03:53] <torkk> what's going on in here?
[03:53] <torkk> anyone ?
[03:53] <dwidmann> endo602: in other words, no extra white space
[03:53] <endo602> one sec
[03:53] <endo602> i got it
[03:53] <endo602> i think
[03:53] <mshade> any help on knetworkmanager? it only shows the wired network device.  i'm on wireless right now...
[03:53] <endo602> yes
[03:53] <endo602> i got it
[03:53] <juan> somebody help me? Beryl & Ati 9250 not work
[03:53] <endo602> so now i dont have to do sudo no more?
[03:54] <dwidmann> I'm not sure if it works with kdesu or not endo602, but it does work with sudo
[03:54] <dwidmann> endo602: yes you do, just it won't bug you for a password
[03:54] <endo602> aha
[03:54] <torkk> juan: go to #beryl
[03:54] <dwidmann> which seemed to be what you were asking for to begin with
[03:54] <endo602> is there way to modify that?
[03:54] <endo602> yeah
[03:54] <endo602> you did it
[03:54] <Jucato> !beryl | juan
[03:54] <ubotu> juan: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:55] <endo602> is there a way for me to say ask sudo for commands in terminal?
[03:55] <Jucato> torkk: we have an ubuntu channel for beryl and co. :)
[03:55] <juan> ok, ups
[03:55] <mshade> anyone using knetworkmanager?
[03:55] <endo602> dwidmann, works for kdesu
[03:55] <dwidmann> endo602: eh?
[03:55] <torkk> well #beryl is neutral there's also a #gentoo-xeffects
[03:56] <dwidmann> endo602: neat
[03:56] <dwidmann> brb
[03:56] <posingaspopular> torkk: i honestly have no idea
[03:58] <torkk> posingaspopular: no idea? You just have to look in .bashrc and I'll copy what you've got there and look in bash-completion
[03:58] <torkk> pleeeeeaaaaaaasssseeeeeee
[03:58] <Draxer> Hello everyone... I am trying to reinstall kde-guidance and get system startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist, any ideas?
[03:59] <ep> I'm still on Dapper, do  the recent KDE's use QT version 4.x.  If not, any idea when this will happen?
[04:00] <Jucato> ep: no. KDE 3.5 still uses Qt 3.x
[04:00] <Jucato> it will happen when KDE 4 arrives
[04:00] <ep> i hope it's coming along nicely:)
[04:00] <posingaspopular> !bash
[04:00] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[04:01] <mshade> !knetworkmanager
[04:01] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB
[04:02] <alex__> could anyone give me a hand with setting up last.fm in amarok?
[04:02] <posingaspopular> man this doesn't make sense to me at all. sorry
[04:04] <Draxer> I am trying to reinstall kde-guidance and konsole returns "system startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist", any ideas?
[04:05] <eisma> i installed amarok onto my ubuntu machine, and it keeps asking me if i want to install mp3 support, and after i install it, and restart amarok, it asks me again
[04:06] <Jucato> eisma: I guess you'll have to install libxine-extracodecs manually.
[04:07] <eisma> how do i do that?
[04:07] <eisma> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs?
[04:08] <Jucato> eisma: enable the multiverse repository, and yes, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:09] <eisma> ok thank you
[04:09] <eisma> and that's it?
[04:09] <Jucato> yep
[04:09] <Jucato> (afaik)
[04:10] <esaym> anyone have slow transfers to an ipod using ararok?
[04:10] <esaym> or atleast slower then in windows..
[04:11] <esaym> err actually its just my mind
[04:11] <esaym> its going fast, n/m
[04:11] <esaym> thought it was running in usb 1.0 mode for a sec....
[04:11] <esaym> :p
[04:15] <jaguy> ../leave
[04:19] <gkjones> can any 1 assist me in claring out a broken package that is not allowing Adept manager to update anything.
[04:20] <crazy_bus> Can anyone help me compiling the latest gimp 2.3?
[04:20] <james__> hi kids\
[04:20] <esaym> ok n/m my ipod is transfering slow
[04:21] <posingaspopular> im not asian!
[04:21] <posingaspopular> just saying
[04:21] <esaym> it went quick up to 80% and then slowed way down
[04:21] <esaym> it does way quicker in windows
[04:21] <esaym> anyone have any idea? the forums say nothing
[04:22] <james__> fw or usb
[04:22] <esaym> usb
[04:22] <esaym> usb 2.0
[04:22] <james__> is it mounted as a mass storage dev or an ipod
[04:22] <esaym> hrrmm
[04:22] <esaym> one sec
[04:23] <james__> i have great luck with usb mass storage , transfered 10 gigs yesterday but never used an ipod
[04:23] <esaym> thats the fstab
[04:23] <esaym> its the new ipod nano gen2
[04:23] <esaym> dev/sdb2 /mnt/ipod vfat noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,users 0 0
[04:24] <gkjones> and also ru using Amaroc to do the transfers....or something else
[04:24] <esaym> amarok
[04:24] <gkjones> ahh..yessss  UC u really shoul;d have come clean strait away
[04:25] <esaym> i did up top:  [21:10]  <esaym>anyone have slow transfers to an ipod using ararok?  ;)
[04:25] <gkjones> ok u just ned to update to the latest version of amarok as they have done lots of fixes in this area. I did have the same problem
[04:25] <esaym> ok that sounds great!
[04:25] <esaym> just automatix or is there a better way?
[04:26] <flaccid0> what you trying to do esaym?
[04:26] <james__> sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get install amorik
[04:27] <esaym> gkjones what  method you use to update amarok?
[04:27] <gkjones> amarok
[04:27] <james__> amarok whatever
[04:27] <esaym> its already installed
[04:27] <esaym> is the lastest version in the repos?
[04:27] <flaccid0> doubt it
[04:27] <fignew> esaym: edgy?
[04:27] <esaym> I have only seen it in automatix
[04:27] <esaym> no dapper
[04:28] <gkjones> james..the comand u gave him wont work ..thats why i added the correct spelling
[04:28] <flaccid0> esaym: dapper version stays
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> oh please don't use Automatix...
[04:28] <james__> i updated yesterday with apt and have 1.4.3
[04:28] <fignew> esaym: dapper = security updates only
[04:28] <esaym> haha, thats why I was asking about automatix
[04:29] <esaym> hmm I see
[04:29] <gkjones> yes Admiral is sort of right. I mean its attractive but it does throw up some problems at times
[04:29] <flaccid0> esaym: compile and install the source code if you want a new version
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> not if you use backports
[04:29] <esaym> I have version 1.4.3
[04:29] <esaym> that came with dapper
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> dapper-backports may have it...1.4.3 should work
[04:29] <esaym> 1.4.5 is out ?
[04:29] <flaccid0> esaym: is there a problem or do you wanna upgrade or you just plain ignoring me?
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> for Feisty
[04:30] <fignew> esaym: 1.4.4 is available for dapper if you go to the kubuntu homepage
[04:30] <james__> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu has a package 1.4.4
[04:30] <esaym> flaccid0 no sorry.  I have version 1.4.3 gkjones said to update to the lastest version to fix an ipod bug
[04:31] <flaccid0> hmm that sux
[04:31] <flaccid0> james__: that is for edgy
[04:31] <flaccid0> this is for dapper
[04:31] <flaccid0> you have to compile
[04:32] <esaym> ok, I will look into compiling
[04:32] <esaym> Just a question, why does everyone hate automatix so much?
[04:32] <flaccid0> because its crap. its not reliable
[04:33] <james__> oh well i have edgy :)
[04:33] <esaym> Hmm.  Any examples?   U arent trying to update it from another node by any chance ru?
[04:36] <esaym> node?
[04:38] <esaym> I guess I should uninstall the current version of amarok before I compile the lastest version?
[04:38] <flaccid0> !autostart
[04:38] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[04:38] <flaccid0> gkjones: node?
[04:39] <flaccid0> esaym: yes or remove the package before make install. no need to remove it until you can install ie. solved deps
[04:39] <esaym> ah good idea
[04:39] <flaccid0> but be warned
[04:40] <flaccid0> i think i had a problem doing it for dapper
[04:40] <flaccid0> thus why i'm using the package atm. i can't remember what problem i ran into however
[04:40] <esaym> I am not accustomed to compiling on ubuntu
[04:40] <esaym> adept is so easy
[04:40] <esaym> hmm well that sucks
[04:40] <flaccid0> i mean i'd upgrade to edgy, but upgrades of major releases with ubuntu generally are not successful
[04:41] <esaym> I wonder if I should upgrade to edgy, I really don't want to
[04:41] <flaccid0> i upgraded, my system then had issues after
[04:41] <flaccid0> and upgrading i ran into many problems and took about 20hours
[04:41] <esaym> yea
[04:41] <flaccid0> so now im a pcbsd user
[04:41] <esaym> I have no problems right now in dapper
[04:42] <esaym> kinda sucks that the dev team is not updating software though
[04:42] <esaym> besides security
[04:42] <Jucato> LTS wasn't meant to have the latest/most recent versions
[04:43] <Jucato> supported = security and bug fix updates, not version/release updates
[04:43] <esaym> Yea but "long term support" made me think that
[04:43] <gkjones> edgy is even sort of outdated..now onto Fiesty Herd...3 rd edition...seems to have good fedback on the forums.
[04:43] <flaccid0> well lts at the moment is not even fixing the bugs...
[04:43] <esaym> Too much updating
[04:43] <esaym> I just want something that works
[04:44] <esaym> But I don't want updated buggy software
[04:44] <n8k99> gkjones people who tend to try the bleeding edge, nearly always rave about how cool it is to be bleeding edge
[04:44] <esaym> I mean *outdated buggy software
[04:44] <flaccid0> esaym: why do you need to upgrade amarok?
[04:44] <esaym> I am trying to transfer some music to my ipod
[04:45] <esaym> It goes slower then in windows
[04:45] <esaym> It transfers fast until 80% then slows way way down
[04:45] <Jucato> long term support means you focus on the current set/version of packages, and provide fixes/security patches for those
[04:45] <flaccid0> well that would be a bug and covered under lts. but as if you are getting an update...
[04:45] <gkjones> correct..thats why i did not try version 1 or 2 as it was a rave...3 seems to be prettty good however. Now about this morok ipod transfer stuff....
[04:45] <Jucato> Think Debian stable
[04:45] <flaccid0> it seems to keep up with the latest versions in ubuntu you have to reinstall constantly
[04:45] <gkjones> u gota remeber that Suse and Ubuntu have both had problems in this 1 area..its all abouyt getting the dam devie mounted and staying that way.
[04:47] <Jucato> flaccid0: not necessarily. the Dappert -> Edgy upgrade was the most terrible. but they're moving to improve upgrading
[04:47] <esaym> Besides slackware and redhat 7 I have only tried kubuntu 606
[04:48] <flaccid0> i'll believe it when i see it. still upgrading can take many hours. atm a newbie has no chance in doing a successful upgrade
[04:48] <esaym> Maybe I will try debian someday
[04:48] <esaym> lol
[04:48] <gkjones> well ubuntu is debian just a p[inched version of it.
[04:48] <flaccid0> like if there is a security/bug in an LTS. i guess you have to wait up to 3/5 years for the bug to be fixed. thats the potential
[04:49] <esaym> well how is debian set up?  Do they just stay with one version and keep the software updated?
[04:49] <flaccid0> the oldest bug in dapper/amarok is nearly 1 year old.
[04:49] <esaym> or does any distro for that matter?
[04:50] <n8k99> esaym there are three branches in debian
[04:50] <n8k99> stable, unstable and expertimental
[04:50] <esaym> yes I have heard but I don't know the differences
[04:51] <n8k99> stable is equviolent to dapper
[04:51] <esaym> but is the software kept up to date?
[04:51] <flaccid0> actually a lot of the oldest bugs for apps in dapper are ~1 year. 1 year is too long for a bug fix if you ask me. if its a security bug, 1 year of vulnerability feels like a rort in terms of LTS.
[04:51] <esaym> unlike the ubuntu way of having to upgrade to edgy
[04:51] <n8k99> well established code base that works but does not have the latest versions of software
[04:51] <Morbo> *cough* backports *cough*
[04:51] <Morbo> Ubuntu provides security updates
[04:52] <flaccid0> not everything can be backported
[04:52] <Morbo> Of course.
[04:52] <n8k99> esaym unstable is the development brance it's what is coming up
[04:52] <flaccid0> but yeah i'm quoting bugs from launchpad
[04:53] <n8k99> esaym it usually has the newest versions of applications
[04:53] <n8k99> unstable become stable when there is a new release of Debian
[04:54] <n8k99> experiemental is always experiemental  and is used for testing
[04:54] <esaym> But how is the software in stable kept up to date?  do you have to do massive updates like dapper - edgy in the ubuntu world?
[04:55] <flaccid0> yep
[04:55] <esaym> bla
[04:55] <n8k99> well the thing about debian is that it can be several years between releases esaym
[04:55] <esaym> Hmm
[04:55] <n8k99> esaym debian does not operate on a schedule of regular releases
[04:56] <esaym> So you would have several years of good app support and unlike the 1 year of app support found in ubuntu?
[04:56] <gkjones> the trick esay which can be really hard to do is once u have a system going " don't do any updates" Just leave it alone
[04:56] <n8k99> in fact there are intense political debates about whether or not it is important to say that it will be released on MM-DD-YYYY
[04:57] <gkjones> unfortuntely i like to try new things so will allways be a succer for the updates and therfore the new bugs
[04:58] <gkjones> hey if u really want to try something radical try SABAYON ...now thats one slick 3d fancy distro.
[04:58] <Popoi> HI, I want to know how can I make Dolphin my deafult File Manager on KDE. Someone know how to do it?
[04:59] <esaym> yes gkjones I don't have a problem not installing updates
[05:00] <esaym> But say a new ipod comes out and the app I have does not support it and is not being updated
[05:00] <esaym> then I will have to find another app or compile one
[05:00] <esaym> I don't really like that
[05:01] <stdin> that's apples fault, not the program makers
[05:01] <n8k99> esaym if a new ipod comes out then the developer will have to get a new ipod to be able to support that new ipod
[05:01] <esaym> haha, yea that is very true
[05:01] <flaccid0> thats why i use freebsd
[05:02] <esaym> I am always amazed at how the linux work works
[05:02] <esaym> Its very amazing
[05:02] <esaym> I just don't get how so many people work for free :D
[05:03] <esaym> well it is wayyy past my bed time
[05:03] <esaym> thanks guys
[05:03] <n8k99> esaym do you mean free like beer or speech?
[05:03] <Mohole> hello
[05:03] <Mohole> can you help me?
[05:04] <esaym> haha, I'm not a dev (yet) so I don't know
[05:04] <Mohole> who can help me?
[05:04] <esaym> whats the problem?
[05:04] <esaym> just spit the question out
[05:04] <esaym> thats the irc way ;)
[05:04] <Mohole> could not start KSTARTetc etc, please check your configuration
[05:04] <n8k99> esaym now you are working for freedom!
[05:05] <Mohole> and the KDE interface does not start
[05:05] <esaym> yea totally
[05:05] <esaym> hmm, that one is over my head
[05:05] <esaym> I am going to bed
[05:05] <esaym> night all
[05:05] <Mena> Hi  :)
[05:05] <Popoi> Hi, How can I change my default windows manager on Kubuntu?
[05:05] <n8k99> Mohole: are you using a Live Cd or have you installed
[05:05] <Mohole> thanx esaym
[05:05] <Mohole> I've installed.
[05:05] <Mena> Any one Know a trip to install ubuntu with kubuntu
[05:06] <n8k99> Mena apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <Mena> or it will work as i am installing Xp with kubuntu
[05:06] <stdin> Mena: to install Ubuntu (Gnome) on Kubuntu (KDE), just install the package "ubuntu-desktop"
[05:06] <tona_> como instalo un disco serial ata en ntfs???
[05:06] <Mena> stdin. no i wont to make seperate install
[05:06] <Popoi> anyone how can I change the deafult windows manager on Kubuntu?
[05:07] <stdin> Mena: how come?
[05:07] <tona_> how i can install a serial ata hard drive on kubuntu???
[05:07] <n8k99> Mohole: so when you boot you do not see the login screen?
[05:07] <Mena> stdin, i mean ubuntu has its desktop and system and kubuntu the same i mean every one on its partition
[05:07] <goodthing> tone: English channel here
[05:07] <goodthing> oops
[05:07] <goodthing> tona_:  English channel here
[05:07] <stdin> Popoi: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[05:08] <Mohole> oh, yes: I see the login screen, but when I select mi user ID and password the KDE gives me the error message.
[05:08] <Mena> stdin, bec on ubuntu conflicts would happaned while using programes i try befor
[05:08] <Mena> stdin, programs of kubutu
[05:08] <n8k99> Mohole: so it starts boot kde and there is a graphical error message?
[05:09] <Mohole> graphical error, yes.
[05:09] <Mohole> it's very strange, isn't it?
[05:09] <n8k99> not very, but strange yes
[05:09] <n8k99> :)
[05:09] <stdin> Mena: you just have to make sure you have a separate root partition, they can share /home. the boot manager (grub) should detect that you have another linux install and add it to it's menu
[05:09] <Mohole> ;)
[05:10] <stdin> Mena: and there would be no conflicts tho
[05:10] <n8k99> Mohole: have you tried a terminal? crtl-alt-f1
[05:10] <Mena> stdin, Sure
[05:10] <Mena> stdin, Thanks stdin
[05:10] <Mohole> no...
[05:10] <n8k99> login and then type startx
[05:10] <Mohole> is it the same that Ctrl+Alt+Canc in Windows?
[05:11] <stdin> Mena: you can quite happily use GTK apps on KDE and Qt apps on Gnome, but if you want to install separate, go ahead :)
[05:11] <n8k99> no- ctrl+alt+f1 takes you to the command line terminal
[05:11] <Mena> stdin, okay
[05:11] <Mohole> ah, ok.
[05:11] <Mena> stdin, do you have any idea when the stable version of fiesty will be out
[05:12] <stdin> Mena: yeah, in april
[05:12] <n8k99> Mohole: you should be able to get more verbose error messages and we can find teh problem that way
[05:12] <Mohole> I can enter to the terminal from the select menu of the KDE interface
[05:12] <Mohole> and then?
[05:12] <Mena> stdin, okay
[05:12] <pete> hey is there a package I can get that makes it so i need a USB drive to 'unlock' my laptop??
[05:12] <Mohole> Ok.
[05:12] <Mohole> Very kind, n8k99.
[05:12] <Popoi> stdin: Oh, thnaks man, you're so gentile
[05:12] <Mohole> Yoy are really so gentile.
[05:13] <Mohole> Goos written, Popoi.
[05:13] <Popoi> xD
[05:13] <stdin> Mena, Popoi: heh, thanks :) no problem
[05:13] <Mohole> Good (sorry).
[05:13] <n8k99> Mohole: gentile as in not a jew????
[05:13] <Mena> stdin, thanks
[05:13] <Popoi> oh... I just try to put Gentil on english xD
[05:13] <Popoi> aah Its gentle no?
[05:13] <Mena>  stdin, ;)
[05:13] <Mohole> GENTLE!
[05:14] <Mohole> yes, sorry.
[05:14] <Popoi> :'(
[05:14] <stdin> I knew what you meant :)
[05:14] <n8k99> yes gentle!!
[05:14] <Mohole> I'm italian, and my English is really horrible...
[05:14] <Popoi> hahahaha ok.. ok.. :p
[05:14] <n8k99> hehe- so did I -
[05:14] <Popoi> I'm chilean
[05:14] <Mohole> So far...
[05:14] <Mena> What is the more secure opera or firefox
[05:14] <Mohole> and n8k99?
[05:15] <n8k99> I'm 'Merican and my english is also American
[05:15] <Mohole> Ok, guys, in this corner of winter we are crossing the ocean two times...
[05:16] <Popoi> Anyway Is there a way to remove Konkeror without damage KDE? I'm on an Ubuntu machine right now and I can't test it
[05:17] <Mohole> Ok. I'm on a WXP machine, and I can do everything.
[05:17] <stdin> Popoi: nope, konqueror is a main part ok KDE
[05:17] <Popoi> stdin: uh, I guess
[05:17] <aseigo> you could remove konqueror. you'd end up saving a whole 20k or so
[05:17] <Mohole> Is there a way to remove Kubunt from a PC without damaging it?
[05:17] <aseigo> because 99% of its functionality are in libs other apps use
[05:17] <Mohole> I mean, without damaging the sistem?
[05:17] <n8k99> oh wow!
[05:18] <n8k99> hi aseigo
[05:18] <stdin> Mohole: you mean uninstall the OS, or just the KDE part ?
[05:18] <Mohole> Uninstall all the OS.
[05:18] <Popoi> aseigo: I get it..
[05:18] <XVampireX> Yeah, haha, what aseigo said :D
[05:18] <stdin> Mohole: just format the partition
[05:18] <XVampireX> Konq is a container for kparts
[05:18] <aseigo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2932 2007-01-27 04:57 /usr/bin/konqueror
[05:18] <aseigo> aseigo@freedom:~/src$ ls -lh `which konqueror`
[05:18] <aseigo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.9K 2007-01-27 04:57 /usr/bin/konqueror
[05:18] <aseigo> hehe
[05:19] <Mohole> Can I use Partition Magic, no?
[05:19] <aseigo> erp. why'd that come out twice?
[05:19] <aseigo> odd. anyways, yeah.
[05:19] <BluesKaj> use GParted Mohole
[05:19] <stdin> Mohole: yeah, or gparted/qtparted on the K/Ubuntu Desktop install DC
[05:19] <stdin> *cd
[05:19] <Mohole> Ok. Thanz.
[05:19] <aseigo> the main lib, kdeinit_konqueror, is 907k
[05:20] <zach__> checking for X error. How do I solve this?
[05:20] <aseigo> so, you'd save almost a megabyte
[05:20] <Mohole> I must delete the partition where I placed Linux, and the swap partition too?
[05:20] <zach__> hah
[05:20] <stdin> Mohole: depends what you want to install in it's place, if it's another linux, you can keep the swap
[05:21] <aseigo> zach__: you're checking for an error during an X session, or you're building a piece of software and it's saying it can't find X?
[05:21] <zach__> building
[05:21] <Mohole> I think to keep only Win. I installed Kubuntu on an old IBM Thinkpad, with poor Ram: only 256.
[05:21] <n8k99> zacn_ install xorg-dev
[05:21] <stdin> !xincludes
[05:21] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[05:22] <aseigo> zach__: what are you building?
[05:22] <stdin> Mohole: then you'll need to remove the swap too, and you'll probably want to restore the windows boot loader
[05:22] <Mohole> I can use Win + OOo to write.
[05:22] <Mohole> Is it simple to restore the Win boot loader?
[05:23] <gholm> I've upgrade to edgy and somehow hosed my kde. This means when I boot, I reach a shell prompt, not a pretty GUI. How do I force my GUI to start?
[05:23] <zach__> I am building software
[05:23] <stdin> Mohole: yeah, OOo has a windows version too
[05:23] <stdin> Mohole: yeah, if you have the windows cd
[05:23] <Popoi> gholm: startx
[05:23] <Mohole> Yes, I'm using OOo under Win, and it's pretty.
[05:23] <aseigo> zach__: i got that. what piece of software? then i might be able to offer some ideas that would make the process a bit easier... since if you're missing x headers, you're probably missing other things it will need
[05:23] <Mohole> I'm a writer and journalist, and I only need a writing program.
[05:24] <Mohole> Free, is better.
[05:24] <zach__> wmblueclock
[05:24] <Mohole> Ok, so, having the Windows CD the process is simple.
[05:25] <gholm> Popoi: startx changed the video settings but it's now frozen in an odd half-shell, half KDE loading state... grr
[05:25] <gholm> I can see the shell prompt but can't type anything
[05:25] <Mohole> Ok, perfect, guys, verrry "gentile"
[05:26] <aseigo> zach__: ah, ok. so it's probably pretty low on the requirements.
[05:26] <Popoi> gholm: oops.. I'm not so pro to help you ... it's a weird problem anyway
[05:26] <zach__> what do you mean
[05:27] <Mohole> ok, tomorrow I will try to delete Kubuntu from my notebook.
[05:27] <BluesKaj> !xserver
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <aseigo> zach__: i mean that it probablydoesn't depend on many other headers than x...
[05:27] <Mohole> including the swap partition.
[05:27] <BluesKaj> !xserver-xorg
[05:27] <Mohole> I hope to make all correctly.
[05:27] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 165 kB, installed size 584 kB
[05:27] <stdin> Mohole: afaik you just use the command "fixmbr" from the windows recovery console to restort the windows boot loader
[05:28] <aseigo> zach__: if it were something more complex, say a kde app, then i'd suggest doing sth like `apt-get build-dep kdebase` which would save you having to install lots of header packages by hand =)
[05:28] <Mohole> Oh, stdin, great!
[05:28] <Mohole> Very kind persons, in this channel!
[05:29] <Mohole> Ok, guys, I'll go to bed, now.
[05:29] <n8k99> thanks aseigo
[05:30] <Mohole> Thanks n8k99
[05:30] <n8k99> now maybe i can build desklist plugin for kopete
[05:30] <Mohole> Thanks stdin
[05:30] <stdin> Mohole: have a look at this page when you get a chance http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058 (the FIXMBR section)
[05:30] <stdin> :)
[05:30] <n8k99> you are welcome Mohole
[05:30] <Mohole> ok.
[05:31] <stdin> and goodnight Mohole :)
[05:31] <Mohole> I hope my editor will translate my books to english and spanish, and we will meet again in the future, or in a bookshop!
[05:31] <Mohole> or in my web page
[05:32] <mortici> how do i force apt to use a newer  version?
[05:32] <meteor-1500> hi all - i've been having problems with my 6.10 amd64 system. I can boot up in recovery mode, then start kdm and a kde session
[05:32] <meteor-1500> but if boot in the normal mode, when it gets to kdm it locks up after a few seconds
[05:33] <stdin> mortici: it should always use the latest available version
[05:34] <mortici> hmmm
[05:34] <mortici> well it didn't for me but thats ok :)
[05:34] <mortici> fixed it
[05:36] <Mohole> n8k99: I'm visiting your web page...
[05:36] <draik> Anyone know of any software to limit the bandwidth of my sister's desktop on my router?
[05:36] <draik> She's running winxp
[05:36] <draik> I'm on Kubuntu 6.10 and so is my laptop
[05:36] <n8k99> Mohole: leave a comment!
[05:37] <Mohole> ok!
[05:37] <Mohole> nice pics...
[05:37] <Mohole> can i give you my web page address?
[05:39] <Mohole> Sorry, but they don't leave me post private messages...
[05:39] <dad> yo
[05:39] <Mohole> I don't know why
[05:39] <Mohole> Can I give it here?
[05:39] <n8k99> yes
[05:39] <hammer2> hey all
[05:39] <Jucato> private messages from unregistered nicks in freenode are disabled
[05:40] <Jucato> unless the person you are talking to enables them
[05:40] <hammer2> is there away to wget and install with 1 command?
[05:40] <n8k99> Jucato!
[05:40] <Jucato> hi n8k99
[05:40] <Mohole> http://www.natalinorusso.it
[05:40] <n8k99> hammer2 you need to pipe the command i think
[05:40] <dad> i get shit with ubuntu 6.10 64amd
[05:40] <Mohole> thanx, and sorry for the public post, guys.
[05:40] <Jucato> hammer2: depends on what you're downloading/installing
[05:40] <dad> I cant run any p2p
[05:40] <hammer2> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fa%2Famsn%2Famsn_0.94-1_i386.deb&md5sum=5d21b24089397337c604e9bf3cce4b79&arch=i386&type=main
[05:41] <hammer2> that
[05:41] <Jucato> hammer2: why do you need to download the .deb for it?
[05:41] <stdin> hammer2: and you can't use "sudo apt-get install amsn" why?
[05:41] <hammer2> i did that but it says theres an update and takes me to their page
[05:42] <Jucato> hammer2: just install from the repositories. using Adept Manager or apt-get (what stdin said)
[05:42] <dad> anyone can give me a hand
[05:42] <stdin> !p2p | dad
[05:42] <ubotu> dad: Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> dad: ask
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> actually way too busy tonight, typing a paper.
[05:42] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: did you see my shiny new cloak? :)
[05:43] <Jucato> hehe good luck w/ your paper :)
[05:43] <Mohole> ok guys, i go to sleep.
[05:43] <Mohole> bye.
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> congrats! i need to do that soon, I feel odd after the LP debacle
[05:43] <n8k99> nighty night
[05:44] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe i'll put my application in after all, gotta talk to Richard about it. he's been pushing me to go to it
[05:45] <Jucato> you go Admiral_Chicago!! :)
[05:45] <dad> i want any p2p run on 64amd easily
[05:45] <xsacha> yep they run on amd64
[05:45] <Jucato> dad: try ktorrent (installed by default) for torrents
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> ktorrent is very nice..
[05:46] <Popoi> dad: install amule
[05:46] <dad> yea amule
[05:46] <drbeams> !java
[05:46] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:46] <draik> Hey Jucato
[05:46] <Jucato> hi draik!
[05:46] <dad> how can i install it?
[05:46] <dad> i try but
[05:47] <Popoi> dad: on a terminal type sudo apt-get install amule
[05:47] <Jucato> !amule | dad
[05:47] <ubotu> dad: amule: client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 1239 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[05:47] <draik> How is everything Jucato
[05:47] <Popoi> dad: or you can intall it from adept if you are using Kubuntu
[05:47] <Jucato> draik: doing good. playing around w/ Beryl
[05:47] <draik> Jucato: I got Beryl to work, but now it just crapped out
[05:48] <Admiral_Chicago> composite is crap, i want to see what they put in Feisty. It broke my X on Edgy
[05:48] <draik> here is a link to my video clip from when I was playing with Beryl...
[05:48] <dad> yes but terminal says "sudo apt-get install amule"
[05:48] <draik> http://www.draikunderlord.com/iris.mpg
[05:48] <dad> sorry
[05:48] <dad> E: Couldn't find package amule
[05:48] <xsacha> The requested URL /iris.mpg was not found on this server.
[05:48] <draik> sorry...
[05:48] <draik> http://www.draikunderlord.com/iris.mpeg
[05:48] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: haven't you heard? that spec for beryl on feisty is deferred
[05:48] <draik> Jucato: ^^^^^
[05:49] <Admiral_Chicago> what? Jucato no way. I gotta get to the LP specification tracker
[05:49] <xsacha> hmm thats slow draik.. cause of the capturing software?
[05:49] <Popoi> dad: you must activate the multiverse and universe repositories
[05:49] <Mena> Bye all For a While With +GOD+ Bless
[05:49] <Mena> And Thanks
[05:49] <kai> wasup
[05:49] <crazy_bus> Does anyone know how to compile gimp 2.3.  I'm trying to compile it but I'm getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4554/
[05:50] <dad> when i type "sudo apt-get install amule" i get "E: Couldn't find package amule"
[05:50] <Jucato> dad: check if you have the universe repository enabled
[05:50] <Popoi> dad: I said that
[05:50] <kai> do any know the name of an wep/wpa cracker for kubuntu 6.1
[05:51] <Popoi> dad: enable the repos, check this URL https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html
[05:51] <dad> exactly i get this "
[05:51] <dad> Password:
[05:51] <dad> Reading package lists... Done
[05:51] <dad> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:51] <dad> E: Couldn't find package amule
[05:51] <Jucato> !repositories | dad
[05:51] <ubotu> dad: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:52] <wletang> Printing to Windows XP printer from Kubuntu, any have a problem doing this?
[05:52] <draik> Jucato: Did you check out the video?
[05:52] <draik> it's a bit choppy though... sorry
[05:52] <Jucato> draik: still checking. sorry, a bit buried under tons of things to read..
[05:52] <kai> does any one have any suggestions
[05:52] <draik> wletang: Nope. I did it before. Didn't have any issues
[05:52] <wletang> I seem to have one
[05:53] <draik> wletang: What is your issue?
[05:53] <draik> maybe I can help
[05:53] <wletang> I am using a D-link router and my printer is hooked up the winXP machine, I can see shared file but not able to access printer?
[05:54] <draik> so...
[05:54] <draik> your printer is on the router or connected to the computer?
[05:54] <wletang> computer
[05:54] <draik> and the computer is winxp, correct?
[05:54] <wletang> yes
[05:55] <wletang> hp 695C
[05:55] <draik> and you want the other computer on the router to print to that computer, correct?
[05:55] <draik> Is the other computer Kubuntu?
[05:55] <wletang> yes, I want ot print something from Kubuntu to winxp printer
[05:55] <xsacha> draik: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2eDI4-IH58s :)
[05:55] <wletang> no WinXP
[05:56] <draik> Both are winxp?
[05:56] <draik> Thank you xsacha, I have it loading
[05:57] <Minataku> kai: aircrack airsnort wepcrack
[05:57] <Minataku> I know the first two are real
[05:57] <Minataku> I might have made the last one up on accident
[05:57] <wletang> I am using a machine with Kubuntu, I have another machine with WINXP onit with a printer hooke dup to it
[05:57] <Minataku> I also left out a whole lot >.>
[05:57] <wletang> I want to use thta printer from this machine
[05:58] <xsacha> draik: this one good too http://youtube.com/watch?v=T67kricXYRE   ... :) i love beryl heh
[05:58] <Minataku> But it's a start, right? (Sorry >.< )
[05:59] <kai> Minataku: I have airsnort, it keeps telling me
[06:00] <kai> ...permission denied
[06:00] <xsacha> draik: this is new Expo mode in beryl and it allows drag and drop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4cdWG5xEic
[06:00] <kai> I have this ksniffer but i can't use to decrypt packets
[06:01] <draik> xsacha: I wish I had what they had. I have a really crappy time with Beryl now. I can't get it to behave the way I had it before
[06:02] <Minataku> kai: Run it with sudo
[06:02] <Minataku> airsnort, that is
[06:02] <xsacha> :P
[06:02] <xsacha> draik: what videocard?
[06:02] <draik> nVidia
[06:02] <draik> I have my video and monitor all setup
[06:02] <draik> but I don't know what happened.
[06:03] <kai> Minataku: Do I need to have a certain kind of wifi carf
[06:03] <draik> I was just playing with my settings and then it crapped out
[06:03] <xsacha> using nvidia 9xxx drivers?
[06:03] <kai> *card
[06:03] <kai> Im have a netgear atheros based card
[06:03] <Minataku> kai: Some cards are screwy/buggy
[06:03] <xsacha> draik: not using Xgl hopefully :P
[06:03] <kai> Its tellin me failed to open device
[06:03] <draik> I have the generic GeForce driver
[06:03] <Minataku> kai: That's weird
[06:03] <draik> I think I might be xsacha
[06:04] <xsacha> gah
[06:04] <Minataku> Usually it'll fail with some weird message then complain in dmesg
[06:04] <kai> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[06:04] <kai>   Major opcode:  144
[06:04] <kai>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:04] <kai>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:04] <kai> Failed to open device
[06:04] <xsacha> use nvidia 9xxx + nothing
[06:04] <meteor-1500> hi all - i've been having problems with my 6.10 amd64 system. I can boot up in recovery mode, then start kdm and a kde session
[06:04] <Minataku> Piyoko (my system) has a card like that
[06:04] <meteor-1500> but if boot in the normal mode, when it gets to kdm it locks up after a few seconds
[06:04] <xsacha> much faster
[06:04] <kai> Thats what it keeps tellling
[06:04] <kai> me
[06:04] <draik> ok.
[06:04] <Minataku> kai: Oh, that's an X error
[06:04] <meteor-1500> any ideas?
[06:04] <xsacha> Xgl is hacky, crashes all the time, eats all your RAM, i hate it
[06:04] <draik> xsacha: I had it auto-detect my video card and everything functions properly
[06:04] <Minataku> kai: Aaargh... I don't know how to fix that, sorry
[06:04] <kai> how can I fix that that
[06:05] <kai> man...
[06:05] <Minataku> It might be related to Kubuntu's default enabling of wacom devices
[06:05] <xsacha> yeah it functions, but that's not enough for me
[06:05] <ask_> hello Kubuntu'ers. Anybody have time to help me get Japanese Input in Openffice? (it works everywhere else)
[06:05] <kai> is there any alternative
[06:05] <xsacha> kai: you can ignore that open device thing
[06:05] <xsacha> just wacom
[06:05] <Minataku> Why the hell is wacom defined as present in X11 in Kubuntu WHEN HARDLY ANYONE HAS A DAMN WACOM TABLET
[06:06] <Minataku> I hope that's fixed in Edgy
[06:06] <xsacha> nup, it's not
[06:06] <Minataku> xsacha: Yeah, it is, actually
[06:06] <draik> xsacha: So, what driver am I to get exactly?
[06:06] <xsacha> i on edgy and default one has wacom
[06:06] <Jucato> Minataku: it's not for a *wacom* tablet per se
[06:06] <draik> I have GeForce FX 5700LS 256MB
[06:06] <Jucato> and please, easy on the CAPS
[06:06] <Minataku> Jucato: Sorry, I tend to yell when I encounter asinine things
[06:06] <xsacha> draik: well latest nvidia ones.. 97xx
[06:07] <Jucato> Minataku: those wacom entries are for pointing devices, which include the rubber thingies in some (laptop) keyboards
[06:07] <kai> holy hell
[06:07] <Minataku> Jucato: None of those are Wacom
[06:07] <kai> Its working, I dunno how
[06:07] <Minataku> They're all PS2
[06:07] <draik> xsacha: under Drivers or Manufacturers?
[06:07] <Minataku> *PS/2
[06:07] <xsacha> draik: 9746, it's not in ubuntu repositories i think, get them off lupines repo
[06:07] <Minataku> At least every one I've ever seen is
[06:07] <Jucato> we're not talking about "tablets" here
[06:08] <Minataku> Jucato: I understand that
[06:08] <draik> xsacha: Got a way to get them from that repo?
[06:08] <kai> Minataku: how would I go about integrating this with aricrack
[06:08] <Minataku> To quote Chris Rock... "Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"
[06:08] <xsacha> draik: http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/
[06:08] <Jucato> Minataku: those entries handle any pointing device (other than the mouse)
[06:08] <draik> Minataku: That wasn't Chris Rock, that was Chris Tucker
[06:08] <Minataku> draik: Oops, thanks
[06:09] <Minataku> Wrong comedian
[06:10] <Minataku> Jucato: All the pointing devices I've come across other than touchpads were PS/2; standard serial mouse type
[06:10] <Minataku> As for touchpads, I don't know of anyone but Synaptics that makes them
[06:10] <Jucato> Minataku: not talking about how they're connected to the computer, but how X sees/controls them
[06:10] <ask_> Like another comedian said "I don't get no respect".
[06:10] <ask_> So about japanese input in openoffice...
[06:11] <ask_> anybody got time?
[06:11] <Minataku> Jucato: Rather, it's where X is looking to pick up the device... from all I've heard it's looking at /dev/wacom
[06:11] <Minataku> Which exists solely for Wacom writing tablets AFAIK
[06:13] <Minataku> Eh... sorry
[06:13] <Minataku> I'll just drop it
[06:13] <Jucato> !baddevice
[06:13] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[06:13] <draik> xsacha: I keep getting this error...
[06:13] <draik> xsacha: E: Malformed line 81 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[06:13] <Minataku> My apologies
[06:14] <Minataku> Jucato: Actually, he was getting 166
[06:14] <surgy> hi
[06:14] <surgy> im trying to install guildawars and it asked for disk two and my cdrom wont open, why i "eject /media/cdrom0" it says the device is busy
[06:14] <Jucato> Minataku: it says similar, not exactly
[06:14] <Minataku> Ah
[06:14] <Jucato> the number varies
[06:14] <sampan> ask_  i don't do japanese, just chinese, but the how-to here ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu  ) worked just fine for me
[06:14] <Minataku> My bad... again
[06:14] <meteor-1500> i'm on an x86_64 system, is there a way to use the configure; make stuff to compilie it for x86?
[06:14] <Minataku> Sorry... again
[06:15] <surgy> nvm i got it
[06:15] <Minataku> meteor-1500: If you want x86 stuff just boot the x86 LiveCD and install as x86
[06:15] <xsacha> draik: you went to the site?
[06:15] <sampan> ask_  you might have to change a few things from chinese to japanese, but once skim is working, you should have no troubles inputting japanese into OOo
[06:15] <meteor-1500> Minataku: that doesn't work on my system i've tried
[06:15] <draik> Yup
[06:15] <xsacha> thats all i know :)
[06:15] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Really? O.o
[06:15] <Minataku> What's the error?
[06:15] <draik> xsacha: I just blocked out the first link with a hash (#) and it let me get the updates
[06:15] <draik> DONE
[06:15] <xsacha> :P
[06:16] <xsacha> and you'll need to dump Xgl
[06:16] <meteor-1500> Minataku: won't even boot, just oop's, tried for ages to fix it no go, but amd64 works fine
[06:16] <meteor-1500> now what i'm trying to do is compile an x86 version of mplayer which should still work with lib32
[06:17] <draik> xsacha: How do I dump XGL and how do I select the 9xxx driver?
[06:17] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Ouch... this involves cross-compiling
[06:17] <Jucato> Minataku: wacom - for tablet pc's
[06:17] <Minataku> Which, believe it or not, I've never done before
[06:17] <Minataku> Jucato: AH!
[06:17] <meteor-1500> Minataku: yeah that was my idea
[06:17] <ask_> Hey Sampan, thanks. I will try it out!
[06:17] <Minataku> Jucato: It all makes sense now
[06:17] <meteor-1500> unless there's a way i can install the 32 bit mplayer packages
[06:17] <Minataku> I didn't even think of those things
[06:17] <sampan> ask_  hope it works -- that page has instructions for both dapper and edgy ... worked fine for me :)
[06:18] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Why are you using Kubuntu if you're clearly a power user?
[06:18] <draik> xsacha: I still don't see a 9xxx driver.
[06:18] <stdin> meteor-1500: you can, if you download the deb and use the "--force-arch" option of dpkg
[06:18] <meteor-1500> Minataku: just makes some things work a bit better with less stuffing around than debian
[06:18] <ask_> I'll be back :)
[06:18] <stdin> meteor-1500: opps, that's "--force-architecture"
[06:19] <meteor-1500> desktop type stuff
[06:19] <meteor-1500> stdin: ah ok thanks
[06:19] <Minataku> meteor-1500: I'd suggest Gentoo, personally
[06:20] <meteor-1500> Minataku: ah never mind, just found someone has written a complete howto on getting it to work
[06:20] <Minataku> lol
[06:20] <stdin> I thought there was a configure option
[06:20] <stdin> like --host=something
[06:21] <Minataku> stdin: It still requires a cross-compilation environment
[06:21] <meteor-1500> hrmm maybe not
[06:21] <meteor-1500> the patch file it refers to is a 404
[06:21] <eimar> Venezuela presente
[06:21] <draik> xsacha: BRB... Gotta take out the trash
[06:21] <stdin> Minataku: yeah, I guessed that much :P
[06:22] <stdin> I've only "cross-compiled" for optimisation, like 686 instead of 486
[06:22] <stdin> which is (relatively) simple
[06:23] <Minataku> That's not even cross-compilation
[06:23] <Minataku> Cross-compilation is when you're compiling for a different architecture
[06:24] <stdin> that's why I quoted the term
[06:24] <Minataku> stdin: Yes, but even quoted it was incorrect usage
[06:25] <stdin> Minataku: that's because I don't know the correct term, besides "optimisation"
[06:25] <Jucato> s/cross-compiled/compiled
[06:25] <Jucato> there, everybody's happy
[06:25] <stdin> heh :)
[06:25] <Minataku> Jucato: sed isn't
[06:25] <Minataku> You failed to close your script
[06:25] <Jucato> and it's not a script
[06:25] <draik> xsacha: I'm back
[06:26] <meteor-1500> ok, that's fixed, other problem i have is i can boot fine in recovery mode, then run kdm, but boooting normally it freezes two seconds after kdm appears
[06:26] <Minataku> It's a sed script
[06:26] <Minataku> Check the manpage for sed
[06:26] <meteor-1500> anyone got any ideas on that?
[06:26] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Video issue
[06:26] <stdin> sed isn't called in the irc client, so how can it be a script ?
[06:26] <Jucato> do you have to take everything *literally*
[06:26] <Minataku> Jucato: I'm an engineer(ing student)
[06:26] <meteor-1500> Minataku: hrmm ok, because the graphics are all fine in both boot types, and both the same
[06:26] <Minataku> If it's not correct within tolerance it's wrong
[06:27] <meteor-1500> Minataku: only difference is in normal mode it freezes on the login page
[06:27] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Failsafe more than likely uses the VESA X11 driver
[06:27] <meteor-1500> Minataku: what should i do to try fixing it?
[06:27] <meteor-1500> Minataku: well it comes up in just a bash prompt
[06:27] <crimsun> Minataku: it's not a script; it's a regular expression. There is a difference.
[06:28] <meteor-1500> then i run kdm which proceeds fine, maybe it's due to the graphics mode splashscreen stuff using rivafb or something?
[06:28] <stdin> Minataku: no, if you start KDM from recovery mode, it will use the standard xorg.conf
[06:28] <Draxer> I am trying to get display in system settings to work. Read forums and found a possable solution... reinstall kde-guidence.  If I try I get "System startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist" Why is this?
[06:28] <Minataku> crimsun: Check the manpage
[06:28] <Minataku> stdin: Really? Hm
[06:29] <Jucato> crimsun: that's what you get for feeding a pseudo-t**ll... a dev being told to read the man page :P
[06:29] <crimsun> Minataku: I advise _you_ to reread the man page.
[06:30] <stdin> Draxer: dose it fail the reinstall, or just continue ?
[06:30] <Minataku>        s/regexp/replacement/
[06:30] <crimsun> and it's a "man page", not a "manpage".
[06:30] <Draxer> stdin: thats the last line no other comments
[06:31] <Draxer> stdin: So I am guessing fail
[06:31] <Jucato> Draxer: how are you tring to reinstall it?
[06:31] <Minataku> The regular expression is inside the script, or at least that's what it looks like to me
[06:31] <stdin> Draxer: unless it says it's failed, then it didn't, it's probably just a warning that can be ignored
[06:31] <Minataku> But let's get back to helping
[06:32] <Draxer> Jucato: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance" In Konsole
[06:32] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Is it completely frozen? Like the entire system is locked up?
[06:33] <Jucato> Draxer: looks good. and stdin is most probably correct. it's just an informational statement
[06:33] <Draxer> stdin: It stops the install though
[06:33] <Minataku> Jucato: Does the Kubuntu default kernel have Magic SysRq enabled?
[06:34] <stdin> Draxer: run the command in konsole and pastebin the output so I can have a look
[06:34] <crimsun> Minataku: of course it does.
[06:34] <stdin> !pastebin
[06:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:34] <Minataku> crimsun: Excellent
[06:37] <meteor-1500> Minataku: it freezes completely, caps lock, num lock lights won't change
[06:37] <Draxer> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4556/
[06:37] <meteor-1500> Minataku: as far as i can possibly see it's frozen
[06:38] <stdin> Draxer: that looks fine, the reinstall worked, if it didn't you'd see some dplg errors at the end
[06:38] <stdin> dpkg rather
[06:39] <Minataku> meteor-1500: I assume you have to manually power off when this happens?
[06:39] <meteor-1500> Minataku: yep
[06:40] <Minataku> Next time, try Alt+SysRq+S then wait at least 30s then Alt+SysRq+U then Alt+SysRq+B
[06:40] <Draxer> Oh... Back to the forums then... unless anyone has any ideas
[06:40] <Minataku> If it's actually locked up, there will be no response
[06:40] <meteor-1500> ah ok
[06:40] <Minataku> To the last one, specifically, which will reboot the computer if it's not locked up
[06:40] <meteor-1500> never tried those
[06:40] <Minataku> S will sync everything (give it 30s to be safe)
[06:41] <Draxer> Thanks btw stdin and Jucato
[06:41] <xsacha> Minataku: why not sysrq + alt + K ? :)
[06:41] <stdin> your welcome :)
[06:41] <meteor-1500> thanks,
[06:41] <xsacha> that will kill everything and restart X bck
[06:41] <Draxer> :)
[06:41] <Minataku> xsacha: Well, yeah, I guess but then it'd just freeze again
[06:41] <Minataku> But yeah, if you want to, test it with K first
[06:42] <Minataku> If X is killed off then comes back it's not locked up
[06:42] <meteor-1500> ok
[06:42] <xsacha> why would it freeze again..
[06:42] <meteor-1500> no idea
[06:42] <Minataku> Have you tried changing to VTs when it's supposedly frozen?
[06:42] <meteor-1500> yeah didn't make any difference doing that
[06:42] <Minataku> xsacha: Because the initial problem is it freezing at the login screen
[06:42] <meteor-1500> just didn't change
[06:42] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Then try the SysRq functions
[06:42] <meteor-1500> yep ok
[06:43] <xsacha> it just freezes every single time at login screen? that sucks since ubuntu starts X straight away
[06:43] <Minataku> K first to test, if it does nothing you're boned and that's that
[06:43] <Minataku> In which case reboot in maintenance mode and check /var/log/messages
[06:43] <CaptainMorgan> is anyone famiar with KDevelopC/C++ ? Im trying to see if there's a way to set Show Line Numbers by default; I don't see a setting in Configure/Settings.
[06:43] <Minataku> In case there was a kernel panic we weren't able to see
[06:43] <meteor-1500> ok yep
[06:44] <Minataku> crimsun: Is Kubuntu set up to reboot on panic or just halt flat?
[06:44] <crimsun> crimsun@FUN:~$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/panic*
[06:44] <crimsun> 0
[06:44] <crimsun> 0
[06:44] <crimsun> 0
[06:45] <crimsun> (it won't reboot.)
[06:45] <Minataku> I believe that's a halt, which is... yeah
[06:45] <Minataku> lol
[06:45] <Minataku> Thanks
[06:45] <Jucato> CaptainMorgan: try #kdevelop
[06:45] <Minataku> BTW, crimsun and Jucato, sorry about that earlier
[06:45] <crimsun> np.
[06:46] <CaptainMorgan> thanks Jucato, didn't know the channel existed :)
[06:49] <lenoxx> what's the maximum priority that i can assign something with in update-alternatives?
[06:49] <lenoxx> is there some sort of MAX constant?
[06:50] <lenoxx> i am trying to set the priority on something so high that no matter what gets installed, my particular program stays up at the highest priority and all i have to worry about is calling update-alternatives --auto <program> if even that
[06:50] <lenoxx> so... how would i do that without using magic numbers like 100 or 3000?
[06:53] <crimsun> lenoxx: no, there is no defined max.
[06:54] <stevenn> how can i set a dual boot for kubuntu?
[06:54] <stevenn> i have windows on my machine now...im trying to set linux on the other partition
[06:54] <stdin> the installer can do that for you
[06:55] <stevenn> automatically?
[06:55] <stevenn> which option is it though?
[06:55] <stevenn> cause there was an option to manually do it and i totally got lost
[06:56] <stdin> it'll be something like resize existing partition and install on free space, then it will detect windows and set up dual boot
[06:56] <akrus> lol looks great
[06:56] <kamui> whats the name of a good media player thats kde specific?  noatun trys to run everything but apparently doesn't even play any video
[06:57] <stevenn> oh i have to install linux first stdin?
[06:57] <dad> Popi: thank you for your hand.
[06:57] <dad>  jucato: thank you for your hand.
[06:57] <akrus> I cannot connect to anywhere
[06:57] <akrus> but I'm somehow connected to IRC...
[06:57] <dad> all guys thank you
[06:57] <stevenn> oh sorry...i thought you said delete windows
[06:57] <stevenn> alright
[06:57] <stdin> stevenn: it will be setup during the install
[06:57] <stevenn> alright:)
[06:57] <stevenn> ill check it out!
[06:58] <dad> now i know why linux is beautiful world
[06:58] <stdin> stevenn: you can always come back here when you're installing for extra help :)
[06:58] <Jucato> dad: you're very much welcome
[06:58] <dad> and why especially ubuntu
[06:59] <eddy> hei
[06:59] <stdin> kamui: how about kaffeine, or kmplayer
[06:59] <kamui> Ill try both
[07:00] <kamui> stdin: I really need to play win32 formats, so do you know if they work with those codecs well?  I had some issues with gnomes totem player not playing win32 codecs well
[07:00] <dad> bye guys. i see soon
[07:00] <Jucato> bye dad
[07:01] <stdin> kamui: I know kaffeine can use them, and kmplayer should too
[07:01] <Jucato> kaffeine (or rather xine engine) needs the w32codecs for windows media
[07:01] <Jucato> (wmv, wma, and real media)
[07:01] <eddy> ping mr
[07:01] <eddy> ping me
[07:02] <stdin> aka: the evil codecs
[07:02] <Jucato> eddy: ping?
[07:02] <kamui> totem is xine engine as well afaik, only mplayer would play these vids though
[07:02] <kamui> I just want ot stick with the look and feel of kde as much as possible
[07:02] <Jucato> kamui: totem is using gstreamer by default on ubuntu afaik
[07:02] <stdin> !media
[07:02] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).    I've seen references to that being the case though it seems to not make sense by version numbers alone.
[07:03] <kamui> Jucato: non of my media is drm
[07:03] <kamui> I hate wmv anyway
[07:03] <Jucato> kamui: it's a development snapshot of kde 4
[07:03] <Jucato> 3.80 = not 4 yet :)
[07:03] <kamui> aah
[07:04] <kamui> well whats the latest unstable version of kde that is "useable"
[07:04] <Jucato> hm...
[07:04] <kamui> I think im running 3.55? which is latest stable
[07:04] <Jucato> 3.5.6 latest stable
[07:04] <kamui> well, I knew it was 3.5 something
[07:04] <stdin> 3.5.6 is stable so far
[07:04] <kamui> whatever is in the ubuntu tree
[07:05] <Jucato> kamui: libxine-extracodecs for avi, mp3, aac, etc
[07:05] <kamui> just wondering what the "bleeding edge" is thats useable
[07:05] <stdin> 3.5.6 is default in feisty, there is also a kubuntu.org repo for it
[07:05] <kamui> Jucato: mainly I need xvid support and rm
[07:05] <Jucato> kamui: that's as bleeding edge *and* usable as you can get
[07:05] <kamui> lol :)
[07:05] <Jucato> kamui: xvid = avi = libxine-extracodecs
[07:06] <Jucato> rm = windows media = w32codecs
[07:06] <stdin> libxine-extracodecs = libxine1-ffmpeg
[07:07] <Jucato> oh I forgot mpeg
[07:07] <stdin> .. for feisty anyway
[07:07] <Jucato> really? they changed the name *again*?
[07:08] <stdin> yeah, libxine-extracodecs is now a meta package depending on libxine1-ffmpeg
[07:08] <kamui> libxine1-ffmpeg doesn't exist in edgy repos ithink
[07:08] <stdin> (which is in main)
[07:08] <kamui> ohhhhh, I get it
 .. for feisty anyway
[07:08] <Jucato> kamui: ^^^
[07:09] <stdin> mp3 support in main, interesting :P
[07:09] <Jucato> ow?
[07:09] <stdin> yep
[07:09] <Jucato> hm...
[07:09] <Jucato> interesting is... hm.. nvm
[07:10] <stdin> (feisty) mp3 support is from libxine1-ffmpeg, which is in main. not sure how that works, but hey :)
[07:10] <kamui> ok, one more question, I installed beryl with kde wokrin pretty nice
[07:10] <kamui> wondering if there is a kde dock app I can use to replace the standard taskbar
[07:11] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: no worries. just verified it from ubotu
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[07:11] <kamui> wait, better question
[07:11] <kamui> what would I use to burn media dvd's in kde
[07:12] <Jucato> !beryl | kamui
[07:12] <ubotu> kamui: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:12] <Jucato> for the first question ^^
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> oh, we changed the channel.
[07:12] <kamui> wait, I already have beryl working fine using (eech) xgl
[07:12] <kamui> I was just wondering about a docking app
[07:12] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yeah. avoids lots of misconceptions
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> kamui: to do what? I don't think I understand by taskbar..
[07:13] <kamui> make my mac buddies sweat beads of jealousy
[07:13] <Jucato> kamui: I meant that the people in there would know which things would work w/ beryl
[07:13] <kamui> jucato: got ya
[07:13] <kamui> jucato: what about a dvd media burning app
[07:13] <kamui> jucato: I haven't even tried to burn a dvd in kde
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> K3b
[07:13] <stdin> k3b works
[07:14] <kamui> will k3b burn video into a dvd video?
[07:14] <kamui> or just burn data dvd's
[07:14] <kamui> dvds
[07:14] <stdin> if you make it DVD format first
[07:14] <stdin> there are other apps that can make the DVD file tree tho
[07:14] <theshadow> I'm trying to setup the firefox mplayer plugin but when I run the ./configure script I'm getting this error "configure: error: Unable to find mozilla or firefox development files" does anyone know what its talking about?
[07:14] <kamui> hmm, I better read a howto of some sort on dvd video burning in ubuntu
[07:15] <kamui> I lied, I have one more question
[07:15] <kamui> possible to mount isos in kde without using the console?
[07:15] <Jucato> !mozilla-mplayer | theshadow
[07:15] <ubotu> theshadow: mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31-1 (edgy), package size 467 kB, installed size 1616 kB
[07:15] <stdin> theshadow: 1) why not install the packaged version? 2) you'll need the -dev package to compile it
[07:15] <Jucato> kamui: lol!! what a coincidence
[07:15] <stdin> !kiso
[07:15] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 343 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[07:15] <Jucato> kamui: ^^
[07:16] <kamui> why coincidence?
[07:16] <Jucato> kamui: * Jucato is listening to Myuji - eX dream (X TV OST) from AnimeNfo Radio | Your Source For The Best Anime Music! | AAC+ Relay! [Amarok]  <-- just came up in the online radio
[07:16] <kamui> oh
[07:16] <kamui> :)
[07:16] <kamui> X1999
[07:16] <kamui> you busted me :)
[07:17] <kamui> that _IS_ quite a coincidence
[07:17] <Jucato> duh! you forgot? you said months ago that I was the first person to ever get your nick :P
[07:17] <Jucato> anyway, back to the topic lol
[07:17] <kamui> lolol thats right
[07:21] <ask_> *sigh* Well, I am back again after trying to get japanese input in openoffice for two hours
[07:21] <ask_> does anyone here know how to help
[07:21] <ask_> I have tried the wiki
[07:22] <Jucato> maybe there's an OO.o channel?
[07:22] <kamui> Jucato: kiso can't be run as a regular user?
[07:22] <Jucato> kamui: ask stdin...
[07:22] <underdog5004> who needs kiso help?
[07:23] <kamui> I do
[07:23] <kamui> it wont open my dvd iso image
[07:23] <kamui> crashes when I try
[07:23] <underdog5004> kamui, are you making an iso from a dvd or what?
[07:23] <kamui> I have an iso of a dvd that I would like to edit
[07:24] <Jordan_U> sombody here using Dapper without many / any gnome libs mind pastebining what packages would be installed if you installed ubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <kamui> I was actually hoping that I could just "mount" it and edit it without having to manually mount it from the cnosole
[07:24] <underdog5004> kamui, oh...lol, I have no idea...sorry
[07:24] <underdog5004> try man kiso
[07:24] <kamui> meh, its not a big deal, probably less work if I just write a script to mount the iso when its double clicked
[07:25] <kamui> unmounting will unfortunately have to be controlled manually from the console
[07:25] <kamui> which I didn't want to do
[07:25] <kamui> I like when my interface is uniform
[07:25] <Jordan_U> I basically want to know what packages to remove to switch from Ubuntu to pure Kubuntu
[07:25] <kamui> otherwise I would have stayed with xfce
[07:25] <kamui> is that even possible Jordan_U
[07:26] <kamui> I feel like any of the gnome packages are somehow tied into the main ubuntu system
[07:26] <Jordan_U> kamui: I don't see why it wouldn't be, seems fairly strait foreward to me
[07:26] <kamui> I tried to remove totem once, it threatened to basically uninstall everything
[07:26] <kamui> jordan_u: then try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <kamui> and apt-get remove gnome
[07:26] <kamui> see if that works without removing critical dependencies
[07:26] <stdin> Jordan_U: you should just be able to remove ubuntu-desktop, then do "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[07:27] <Jordan_U> stdin: *should* :) but can't
[07:27] <theshadow> Jucato: ty
[07:27] <stdin> Jordan_U: what dose apt-get autoremove do?
[07:27] <Jordan_U> stdin: plus I want to know the packages for Dapper which doesn't have autoremove
[07:28] <stdin> Jordan_U: ahh, dapper... hmm
[07:28] <kamui> ok, well ill let you geniuses work this one out, Im gonna get some Zzzs
[07:28] <kamui> thanks big time stdin and Jucato
[07:28] <kamui> I gotta drop in more often ;)
[07:28] <stdin> kamui: no problem :)
[07:28] <Jucato> kamui: you:re welcome. just try not to bring about the end of the world ok?
[07:28] <kamui> lol
[07:28] <Jordan_U> stdin: Even with autoremove it just removes the meta-package because you never "installed" ubuntu-desktop it and all it's dependencies were just there, unless you used the alternate install CD which does use apt to install ubuntu-desktop...
[07:29] <kamui> Im a dragon of earth, what can I say
[07:30] <stdin> Jordan_U: if the meta package is removed, then it's dependencies are orphaned and autoremove want to remove them, I've use it to remove gnome on another machine
[07:31] <stdin> Jordan_U: but on dapper, I don't know of a simple way to do it
[07:31] <Jordan_U> stdin: So have I, that only works if you installed using the alternate install CD, I have tried many times
[07:32] <stdin> Jordan_U: I've used it on a system that was installed with the desktop cd, don't know why it didn't work for you
[07:32] <Jordan_U> stdin: meh? who knows, do you have a kubuntu dapper machine or liveCD?
[07:33] <stdin> Jordan_U: It was on a friends dapper system, installed with the dapper desktop cd. but I'm not running dapper here
[07:34] <Jordan_U> stdin: If you run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, say no and copy the output of the list of packages it would have installed, I can just run apt-get remove <list of packages>
[07:34] <stdin> sure...
[07:34] <Jordan_U> stdin: It worked with Breezy :)
[07:37] <ForgeAus> hey all
[07:38] <ForgeAus> how do I sort out a DHCP for a PXE server from kubuntu?
[07:38] <ForgeAus> I'm already a DCHP client myself
[07:38] <stdin> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.ca/343722 (I also have synaptic install, so you'll need to add that)
[07:38] <Jordan_U> stdin: Thanks :)
[07:38] <stdin> np :)
[07:38] <ForgeAus> can you do PXE from a computer that itself is a DCHP client? (do you use DHCP relay instead of DHCP server?)
[07:41] <Philip5> ForgeAus: yes you can setup a pxe server on a dchp server if that was your question
[07:42] <Philip5> ForgeAus: there are excellent docs on how to setup a pxe server on the ubuntu wiki
[07:42] <ForgeAus> Philip I know that much but if your comptuer is a DCHP client, can you still set up PXE (ie dhcp relay instead of dhcpd?)
[07:42] <Philip5> you need to be a dhcp server
[07:43] <ForgeAus> I don't think I can be a DHCP server, if I am it messes up my internet
[07:43] <ForgeAus> (I must be getting an IP issued from myself instead of my router)
[07:44] <ForgeAus> (which currently acts as my DHCP server)
[07:44] <ForgeAus> (for the local net)
[07:44] <Philip5> i understand... but i think the dhcp also point at the pxe
[07:45] <Philip5> but you might be able to set it up as some kind of relay as you suggested
[07:45] <Philip5> i haven't tried that
[07:46] <Philip5> i run the dhcp server on my lan behind my gateway so i had no problem with it messing with the internet in anyway
[07:46] <ForgeAus> yeah I just need to find out how right?
[07:46] <ForgeAus> thanx
[07:47] <dwangoac> Hi - quick question: I'm running Kubuntu 6.06.1 and KDE throws unknown errors when mounting media like CD's and USB keys.  Would renaming the .kde directory do a reset to the point where things might start working again, or am I just being silly?
[07:48] <Philip5> ForgeAus: do you have a lan? in that case... does all your computers on your lan get ip from a isp dhcp?
[07:49] <deathnote> question
[07:49] <deathnote> what does umask 007 do?
[07:49] <Philip5> otherwise you would only have that problem if the gateway is the computer that you are installing via pxe
[07:50] <Philip5> deathnote: sets default to when making files set the permission to user and group to have all permissions and others none
[07:51] <Philip5> i guess
[07:51] <deathnote> Philip5: do u mean, this is to set what's the mode for the next file creation??
[07:52] <Philip5> yes
[07:53] <Philip5> umask is like a chmod in reverse
[07:53] <Philip5> umask subtracts from 777 in chmod
[07:54] <Philip5> so to speak
[07:56] <deathnote> ohhhh so 007 is not user and group = none, and all = all permission?
[07:56] <deathnote> no wonder
[07:56] <stdin> in chmod, yes
[07:56] <stdin> !permissions
[07:56] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:00] <deathnote> if (!rename("$::scandir/$file", "$::analysedir/$file")) , what does the !rename mean?
[08:01] <stdin> you're probably better off asking that on #bash
[08:02] <deathnote> f (!rename("$::scandir/$file", "$::analysedir/$file")) , what does the !rename mean?
[08:02] <deathnote> if (!rename("$::scandir/$file", "$::analysedir/$file")) , what does the !rename mean?
[08:02] <stdin> deathnote: you're probably better off asking that on #bash
[08:07] <ForgeAus> Philip yes I have a lan and all comptuers on the lan (3 of them) get it from a router... the router, in turn gets it from my ISP...
[08:08] <ForgeAus> I could set the router to give me a static IP but its complicated and I have to change stuff over
[08:08] <ForgeAus> DHCP just works, so much easier... as long as I don't serve DHCP's myself?
[08:09] <ForgeAus> I had it on Static but it was so much a mess administering IP's all the time changing them over for one reason or another, and I had to do it with the OS's tcp connection as well
[08:09] <ForgeAus> nothing seemed to work most of the time and I was forever switching one thing to another, DHCP I just set it and forget it!
[08:10] <ForgeAus> so I do already have a DHCP server but its just not this PC its the router
[08:13] <just-this-time> !alternatives
[08:13] <ubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[08:17] <just-this-time> !restricted
[08:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:27] <dwangoac> OK, how dangerous and/or dumb is it to move the .kde directory out of the way and let a dist-upgrade from Dapper to Edgy recreate it?
[08:28] <stdin> dwangoac: a logout/in will re create it
[08:28] <chavo> dwangoac, not dangerous but not really necesarry either
[08:29] <dwangoac> Thanks for the info - I'm hoping that doing that will clear out some funny problems I'm having where KDE fails to mount devices like CD's and USB keys (by throwing an unknown error)
[08:29] <dwangoac> Kind of clearing out the driftwood, if you will.  I've been distribution upgrading since Hoary :)
[08:29] <chavo> I've had my .kde for years
[08:30] <dwangoac> Hmm...  OK, should I be looking somewhere else?  Any time I try to mount a CD or a USB key, it always comes back with "an unknown error occurred" - I usually have to mount as root.
[08:31] <stdin> check it with another user
[08:31] <dwangoac> stdin: That's a pretty good idea...
[08:31] <dwangoac> I'll abuse my MythTV user for that :)
[08:31] <stdin> I have them every now and then :P
[08:33] <dwangoac> stdin: OK, I'm back from another session - same error.
[08:33] <dwangoac> stdin: So, yeah, moving the .kde folder would be pointless :)
[08:33] <stdin> probably not a config file then
[08:33] <dwangoac> stdin: I guess at this point it couldn't hurt to just do the update to Edgy and see what I get on the other side.  I'm wanting to update so I can play with Beryl :)
[08:33] <kraut> moin
[08:34] <Sekaab> Hey hey
[08:34] <stdin> dwangoac: worth a try
[08:34] <just-this-time> what is samba meta package ?
[08:34] <dwangoac> stdin: Thanks for the help - I appreciate it.
[08:34] <just-this-time> !samba
[08:34] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:34] <stdin> dwangoac: oh, and you can use pmount to mount removable devices as non-root too :)
[08:35] <dwangoac> stdin: Yeah, but my wife.. she no like the console :)
[08:36] <dwangoac> stdin: It's one of those things where it used to work, but then suddenly stopped mounting things right, and I've never been able to figure out what it is.
[08:36] <stdin> dwangoac: yeah, maybe edgy will fix it, hopefully
[08:37] <dwangoac> stdin: Here goes - yikes, 1064MB of downloads...
[08:38] <stdin> dwangoac: yeah, takes forever to download and install, and beware dependencies. like xserver-xorg-driver-* changing to xserver-xorg-video-*
[08:39] <dwangoac> stdin: Go figure - they didn't say anything about that on the official http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php page :)
[08:39] <dwangoac> stdin: Since I'm likely to run in to that one, what do I need to do there?
[08:40] <stdin> dwangoac: yeah, I think that was one reason so many people has trouble with the upgrade. I found that using aptitude instead of apt-get helps tho
[08:41] <dwangoac> Heh - it's not too late, it's just downloading at the moment.  How about adept instead of aptitude?
[08:41] <notech> anyone running a Dell notebook?
[08:41] <chavo> I never had problems with the upgrade
[08:41] <dwangoac> notech: Sometimes. :)
[08:41] <BlankB> notech: yes I have a dell inspiron 4000
[08:41] <stdin> chavo: dapper -> edgy ?
[08:41] <chavo> notech, me too sometimes
[08:42] <notech> wondering what wireless and if you got it to work
[08:42] <dwangoac> notech: Went around in circles and finally gave up on my Precision m60
[08:42] <notech> seems they have a choice of Dell 1390 or intel 3945
[08:42] <dwangoac> notech: It really, really depends on the chipset
[08:43] <BlankB> notech: i am using a airlink 802.11g cardbus card.
[08:43] <dwangoac> notech: I'd look around, find out what exact chipset is used in the card that comes with it, and check on the support.  In my case, the Broadcom chipset I had wasn't supported at all, and NDISWrapper didn't play nice with docking station changes.
[08:43] <notech> ok, thanks folks
[08:43] <dwangoac> notech: Yep, I'm with BlankB - I went with an Orinoco Silver and just gave up on the internal card.
[08:44] <dwangoac> stdin: So would Adept do a better job than apt-get, or is it a crapshoot?
[08:44] <notech> i have an older type I/II card but not sure that works with these new laptops
[08:44] <dwangoac> notech: Should work fine - what kind of card is it?
[08:45] <stdin> dwangoac: never used adept to do it, it may work better, you could always check.
[08:45] <notech> dwangoac: linksys prism2, uses orinoco driver
[08:45] <dwangoac> notech: Eh, prism2 is all you need to say - that's a god chipset (very well supported)
[08:45] <notech> dwangoac: cool, thanks :))
[08:45] <stdin> adept isn't exactly my favourite package manager
[08:45] <dwangoac> notech: Easy way to tell:  Bust out a Kubuntu or a Knoppix CD and see what happens :)
[08:46] <notech> dwangoac: ordering the laptop tomorrow
[08:46] <dwangoac> stdin: Gnome isn't exactly my favorite browser either, hence not having aptitude on hand :)
[08:47] <notech> that's why i was wondering which of the internals to get, but guess it won't matter now
[08:47] <stdin> dwangoac: aptitude is nothing to do with gnome
[08:48] <dwangoac> stdin: Oh - I always thought it had Gnome dependancies (not like that matters too much - I have a lot of GTK apps anyway...)
[08:48] <stdin> dwangoac: maybe you're thinking of synaptic?
[08:48] <dwangoac> stdin: How right you are.
[08:48] <dwangoac> stdin: It's getting late here. :)
[08:49] <stdin> dwangoac: heh, I know the feeling, aptitude is a terminal-based front-end to apt, you just do "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[08:49] <stdin> it tends to deal with dependencies better tho
[08:50] <stdin> *than apt-get
[08:50] <dwangoac> stdin: I think I'll cancel my apt-get attempt then
[08:50] <dwangoac> Hmm... only dependencies aptitude couldn't resolve were openoffice
[08:50] <dwangoac> Nice
[08:51] <stdin> there is a sort of "unofficial" upgrade help here http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[08:56] <michael_> Good morning.
[08:56] <dwangoac> stdin: OK, after doing some comparing, the only really new thing about that is apt-get -u dist-upgrade | grep ^' ' | xargs apt-get -y install
[08:57] <dwangoac> stdin: Thanks for the link.  I'll probably need to do that to resolve the held back packages. :)
[08:58] <michael_> Perhaps someone can help me out here?  I have had a problem since my upgrade to Edgy.  Whenever any packages get upgraded, Adept wants to remove ubuntu-minimal and others and reinstall sysvinit.
[08:58] <michael_> Unfotunately, I am not an apt-get guru.
[08:59] <main> haloo
[08:59] <stdin> make sure you have ubuntu-standard and kubuntu-desktop installed
[08:59] <deathnote> try apt-get clean ?
[08:59] <main> hey uhh wat package do i get to burn iso files to dvd??
[08:59] <stdin> that won't do a thing, except remove the local package cache
[09:00] <main> ?
[09:00] <stdin> main: k3b, which is already installed
[09:00] <main> where is that in the kmenu?
[09:00] <deathnote> multimedia?
[09:00] <main> i couldnt find it
[09:01] <main> nope
[09:01] <main> not there
[09:01] <deathnote> !k3b
[09:01] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[09:01] <ForgeAus> yeah I think its in multimedia (I personally made a subgroup)
[09:01] <stdin> main: the button in the bottom left, with the K on it
[09:01] <deathnote> try running k3b in console?
[09:01] <michael_> stdin: ubuntu-standard and kubuntu-desktop are installed.  deathnote: I have done apt-get clean.
[09:01] <main> yeahh
[09:02] <main> nah i wanna find it
[09:02] <deathnote> michael_: how u do your upgrade?
[09:02] <main> for future use
[09:02] <deathnote> main: create a link yourself then? heh
[09:02] <main> but wat if its there
[09:02] <main> its suppose to be in the multimedia menu?
[09:02] <deathnote> yupp
[09:03] <michael_> deathnote: I changed the repositories manually and did lots of apt-get update, upgrade and dist-update:s.
[09:03] <michael_> I suspect I did something at the wrong time, since I had just switched to Kubuntu at the time.
[09:03] <michael_> Plus Edgy was not yet released.
[09:04] <jager> is the OSS mixer api enabled by default in the stock ubuntu kernels?
[09:04] <main> hah it wasnt installed
[09:04] <main> for some reason
[09:04] <stdin> main: make sure you have the package kubuntu-desktop installed
[09:04] <main> uhh
[09:04] <main> lemme check
[09:05] <michael_> deathnote: Yes.  I can't remember whether I edited the file or did it from Adept, but that is probably not relevent.  Sorry, I can't private-message :(
[09:05] <main> does that package have a bunch of programs?
[09:06] <makuseru> is there a room for knoppix?
[09:06] <stdin> main: is make sure you have everything you should
[09:06] <stdin> makuseru:  #knoppix ?
[09:07] <main> im installing it now
[09:07] <main> this doesnt include k3b right?
[09:08] <stdin> main: it should include k3b and other apps you should have
[09:08] <main> k
[09:08] <stdin> main: how did you install kubuntu without kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:08] <main> idk
[09:08] <main> i just got rid of gnome
[09:09] <main> and installed a bunch of random packages from the kde
[09:09] <stdin> how did you get kde then?
[09:09] <main> menu
[09:09] <main> maybe i missed it lol
[09:10] <stdin> kubuntu-desktop is a meta package that installed a standard kde based desktop
[09:10] <deathnote> how many kind of kde-s are there, ??
[09:10] <main> well it wasnt checked as installed
[09:10] <main> im installing right now
[09:11] <stdin> deathnote: there is only 1 KDE, but kubuntu apply patches and modifications to it, they also include packages to be installed by default
[09:13] <main> hmm why dont i have this installed
[09:13] <main> and i already had kubuntu
[09:13] <stdin> no, you had parts of it, but not kubuntu :)
[09:13] <ForgeAus> if there isn't a #knoopix try #linux
[09:13] <ForgeAus> grrr damn typos
[09:13] <ForgeAus> (actually its ##linux but #linux should forward you there)
[09:14] <main> when i installed the package
[09:14] <main> seems like nothing changed
[09:14] <main> i still dont see k3b
[09:14] <stdin> main: logout and back in, then look
[09:14] <main> oh its installed
[09:14] <main> i see it package manager
[09:14] <main> k im gona log out
[09:17] <jager> so i get [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy when i run mplayer -ao oss <file>
[09:17] <jager> friend tells me this is why sound in flash fails
[09:17] <jager> any pointers to getting that sorted?
[09:17] <deathnote> what's xserver-xorg-air-core ?? some kind of kde?
[09:18] <stdin> deathnote: huh, do you know what KDE is ?
[09:18] <deathnote> some desktop enviroment?
[09:19] <stdin> jager: that's because artsd is using it. take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#head-f036b17c3150dd72f58d952a0e13094568c9f92e
[09:20] <stdin> deathnote: yeah, the K Desktop Environment, xserver isn't a desktop environment, it's what they run on
[09:22] <jager> changing the firefoxrc file doesn't help if that's what you were pointing me at stdin
[09:23] <stdin> jager: did you restart firefox after? and what if you change it to artsdsp ?
[09:23] <michael-kb> stdin: any idea why Edgy still thinks sysvinit should be on my system?  Sorry, you looked like a good person to ask :)
[09:24] <michael-kb> Edgy, resp apt-get.
[09:24] <michael-kb> resp dpkg.
[09:24] <stdin> michael-kb: maybe because you installed something that wants sysvinit
[09:24] <deathnote> ic..any recommendation for eye candies like 3d desktop etc?
[09:24] <stdin> deathnote: beryl is good :)
[09:25] <michael-kb> stdin: sorry, how can I look for such a dependency?
[09:25] <jager> restarting firefox didn't help, neither changing to artsdsp and restarting :(
[09:25] <michael-kb> (I think I did that, but I will do it again).
[09:25] <deathnote> !beryl
[09:26] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:26] <stdin> michael-kb: maybe try doing "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" it may show what wants sysvinit
[09:26] <deathnote> is beryl running on top on kde? or another desktop environment?
[09:27] <stdin> deathnote: it's a window manager, it will work with any desktop environment
[09:27] <michael-kb> stdin: 0 upgraded, 0 new, 0 remove, 0 not upgraded.
[09:27] <deathnote> so i just apt-get install beryl?
[09:27] <stdin> deathnote: you'll need either XGL or AIGLX to get it working tho
[09:28] <stdin> michael-kb: ok, try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[09:28] <michael-kb> stdin: the same.
[09:28] <stdin> deathnote: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[09:29] <deathnote> i'm on edgy now
[09:29] <stdin> michael-kb: does "sudo aptitude install upstart" show it's installed ?
[09:29] <stdin> deathnote: and what's your graphics card ?
[09:29] <deathnote> i have another set of laptop on dapper too... is the procedure different? i'll start with edgy..hehe
[09:29] <deathnote> ATI radeon 9200
[09:30] <stdin> deathnote: ok, you'll need XGL then