[13:59] <balloons_uds> anyone want to be in the hangout?
[14:01] <balloons_uds> #ubuntu-uds-community-2:https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/36e857893285f3d4925e22cd5b549c15595cd9e0?authuser=1&hl=en
[14:01] <balloons_uds> bah
[14:01] <balloons_uds> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/36e857893285f3d4925e22cd5b549c15595cd9e0?authuser=1&hl=en
[14:02] <balloons_uds> we'll start in a min, please feel free to join
[14:12] <linuxtech> I would like to see someone take the lead on making sure we have latest stable releases of some server software.  SRobie Basak agrees with me and has done some work towards that goal!  ee https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2013-August/006703.html
[14:19] <DanChapman> balloons_uds: with Autopilot soon to be 1.4 is there going to any major changes, like it was from 1.2 to 1.3
[14:21] <linuxtech> I have, see the link.
[14:22] <linuxtech> bind9, mailman and nsd updates this cycle would have been nice...
[14:23] <linuxtech> I worked towards getting bind9 and mailman updated, and with the help of Debian Devs and the Server Team I made some progress, but not as far as I wanted.
[14:23] <balloons_uds> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[14:26] <linuxtech> Features, and security, it's easier for the security team to update newer releases.
[14:27] <DanChapman> :-D cool
[14:27] <linuxtech> I may work on it on a ppa, but I am working towards a project that advocates DNSSEC and DANE.
[14:29] <linuxtech> I understand, I'm talking about using very stable releases of upstream software.
[14:30] <linuxtech> I run the latest releases, unless it has issues...
[14:32] <linuxtech> From what I have seen the past few years, the latest release are better maintained for security issues.
[14:35] <linuxtech> Thank you!
[14:37] <balloons_uds> thanks everyone :-)
[15:01]  * elfy managed to scurry back in time
[15:01] <sethj> :)
[15:03] <elfy> hi marcoceppi
[15:03] <marcoceppi> o/ elfy
[15:05] <arosales> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21907/community-s-discussubuntu/ starting shortly
[15:05] <arosales> Hangout is at https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/21cb6e3466ec16b411030aa0c80c5eee720a6c3d?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:07] <marcoceppi> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-s-discussubuntu
[15:07] <elfy> marcoceppi: no video yet
[15:08] <marcoceppi> elfy: it'll be up in a few seconds
[15:08] <marcoceppi> there's a lag
[15:08] <elfy> got it
[15:12] <CheeseBurg> Can I get a link to the prototype?
[15:12] <marcoceppi> CheeseBurg: it's in the pad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-s-discussubuntu
[15:12] <sethj> CheeseBurg http://ubuntu-discourse.org/
[15:12] <elfy> CheeseBurg: http://ubuntu-discourse.org/
[15:13] <CheeseBurg> Thanks
[15:13] <elfy> jono_: I prefer discuss.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <elfy> bah
[15:14] <elfy> jcastro: I prefer discuss.ubuntu.com
[15:31] <elfy> jcastro: I mailed you back on the 24th re moving the loco stuff
[15:31] <jcastro> yeah but no one else did
[15:31] <elfy> that's because I'm co-ordinating - sorry if that wasn't clear or was as clear as mud :)
[15:32] <elfy> jcastro: effectively if it comes from me - it's coming from the FC
[15:33] <jcastro> ok
[15:35] <jcastro> ok so are there any sections you'd commit to?
[15:35] <jcastro> sorry looking for the mail now
[15:35] <elfy> lol
[15:35] <elfy> certainly the majority of the loco forums - but we need to talk to loco council as well
[15:36] <elfy> the biggest issue atm is how many to do at once
[15:36] <elfy> I can dig out the info on which are being used - so I'd suggest moving on those first
[15:36] <elfy> jcastro: ^^
[15:36] <jcastro> aweesome
[15:37] <elfy> but as I said in the mail - those that are support areas need to stay where they are
[15:37] <elfy> but that's probably about 4 or 5 out of 100 we have
[15:39] <elfy> jcastro: to be a bit more specific - we have 4 groups of them (eg US/Europe ... ) - each have sub forums
[15:40]  * jcastro nods
[15:40] <elfy> so plenty for discourse to look at nesting with
[15:41] <elfy> possibly 80% in english
[15:41] <elfy> I'll get that info for the list when I do it
[15:45] <marcoceppi> questions, comments?
[15:45] <elfy> not at the moment - I'm listening to you all and in a xubuntu meeting :)
[15:46] <elfy> I heard bugs - but see nothing written - that going on the pad?
[15:46] <elfy> marcoceppi: ^^
[15:46] <jcastro> yeah
[15:46] <jcastro> we wrote everything in the pad
[15:46] <elfy> k
[15:46] <jcastro> I'm posting it on the site now
[15:46] <marcoceppi> elfy: I'll be posting the bugs to the charm repo for people to contibute, and a link to those bugs in the pad
[15:46] <elfy> going slightly nuts here concentrating on 3 things at once :)
[15:47] <elfy> ok thanks :)
[16:03] <dholbach> anyone who wants to join the hangout?
[16:04] <dholbach> session notes here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-xda-community
[16:08] <jerdog> http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2068
[16:10] <jerdog> did you go away dholbach ?
[16:11] <pulser> lol jerdog. it's your show now!
[16:11] <jerdog> i was talking and then it just froze
[16:11] <pulser> yeah
[16:11] <pulser> I'm watching a confused jerdog
[16:12] <pulser> jerdog, your ad-lib was stopped!
[16:12] <slangasek> heh, and there goes the feed ;)
[16:12] <jerdog> can anyone see me?
[16:13] <slangasek> yes
[16:13] <pulser> when you talk, yes
[16:13] <jerdog> am I actually viewable or has the whole thing gone south?
[16:13] <pulser> it seems to be "voice triggered"
[16:13] <slangasek> you're fine now
[16:13] <pulser> oh, now you are gone lol
[16:13] <pulser> default "blank person" logo now lol
[16:13] <slangasek> when dholbach's connection dropped, the feed cut out since he's the broadcaster
[16:13] <jerdog> ahh - so just my voice huh
[16:13] <slangasek> we can still hear you for the moment ;)
[16:13] <pulser> ahhhh
[16:13] <pulser> I see
[16:14] <pulser> we need an ubuntu open-source web-based hangout system!
[16:15] <slangasek> question: why has no one done an Ubuntu Touch port to the T989 yet ;)
[16:15] <dholbach_> pulser, want to join in on the hangout?
[16:15] <slangasek> we would love an open hangout platform... that's a lot of infrastructure :)
[16:15] <pulser> I have no webcam
[16:15] <pulser> or mic
[16:15] <pulser> lol
[16:15] <pulser> sure :)
[16:15] <jerdog> or a physical entity
[16:16] <slangasek> hah
[16:16] <slangasek> pulser: you mean you don't have a CAMERAPHONE
[16:16] <slangasek> ?
[16:16] <slangasek> ;)
[16:16] <pulser> slangasek, I have many many of them, but never set them up as webcams
[16:16] <pulser> and I don't use gapps on my phones
[16:16] <slangasek> ah, well then
[16:16] <pulser> (closed source, nasty software etc)
[16:16] <pulser> so yeah, it would have to go via PC
[16:20] <pulser> to add to that, if Ubuntu Touch can run android applications, even in modified form, a la Blackberry X, it will significantly help at launch to inspire people to run it
[16:20] <pulser> while the browser model works nicely for simple things, it's difficult to beat the experience of a native app on a device that is "always ready"
[16:27] <dholbach_> anyone else who wants to join the hangout?
[16:27] <ayr_ton> dholbach, not yet
[16:27] <dholbach> any questions or feedback from folks in here?
[16:28] <slangasek> would be happy to join, but am running camera in another session
[16:28] <ayr_ton> dholbach, In xda would be a good thing have some documentation for beginners there. Not just keeping a link for the wiki, but maybe starting a wiki from a discussion from there.
[16:29] <ayr_ton> dholbach, We not have too much guides there. The xda users is more
[16:29] <ayr_ton> familiarize
[16:29] <ayr_ton> d with that aproach.
[16:29] <ayr_ton> approach*
[16:32] <pulser> dholbach, the suggestion/comment was that having a way to run android apps makes a platform more attractive, as they are "buying into" an established platform
[16:32] <pulser> rather than a new platform where the solution is "use a browser to do it"
[16:32] <dholbach> yep, makes sense
[16:32] <pulser> yea
[16:33] <ayr_ton> jerdog, I think not duplicated content. But like start discussing some tutorials there, and start updating the wiki from the discussions.
[16:33] <ayr_ton> or even updating these
[16:34] <ayr_ton> normally we see there a big tutorial in the first post that is updated from times to times.
[16:35] <pulser> using our new dev-DB system, more than one nominated person can update the first post (maximum of 3 people I believe)
[16:35] <pulser> jerdog, it's currently in place ;)
[16:36] <pulser> well
[16:36] <pulser> I have it in a general forum
[16:36] <pulser> so once it's on a device, it seems that you can use it in any of those subforums
[16:36] <ayr_ton> yes, development forums
[16:37] <pulser> jerdog, I am using it in a general forum : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2400234
[16:39] <ayr_ton> jerdog, true story
[16:39] <jerdog> ayr_ton, read it on the internet
[16:43] <pulser> from experience, people will instinctively go to their device forum
[16:43] <pulser> many are not even aware of the existence of other areas, as an XDA device forum could be all thye ever need to read
[16:45] <jerdog> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2336018
[16:46] <ayr_ton> dholbach, I can help with that.
[16:46] <dholbach> ayr_ton, you're a hero! :)
[16:46] <ayr_ton> dholbach, I expect to find heroes there.
[16:49] <ayr_ton> At tf101 forum port, the guys have some fear about test it. Because it is not in the final version.
[16:49] <ayr_ton> Is a feedback that I catch there.
[16:52] <ayr_ton> Not at the moment.
[16:54] <ayr_ton> dholbach, Okay :)
[16:54]  * dholbach hugs jerdog, ayr_ton, pulser - thanks a bunch guys!
[16:54] <pulser> no worries, dholbach
[16:54] <ayr_ton> \o/
[16:55] <jerdog> thank you guys!
[16:55] <jerdog> peace
[18:07] <dholbach> if you want to join in, please let me know and I'll give you the link to the hangout
[18:07] <dholbach> the pad is up at http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-app-story-continuous-integration
[18:09] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Decisions/ContinuousIntegration
[18:09] <alecu> hi!
[18:09] <noodles775> dholbach: I updated ^^ with links to our CI.
[18:10] <dholbach> awesome
[18:10] <dholbach> alecu, noodles775: want to join in?
[18:10] <alecu> dholbach: sure
[18:10] <noodles775> sure
[18:13] <dmj_nova1> So if a single app is bad, that would mess up the image?  Sounds like a rather large issue
[18:13] <sergiusens> dmj_nova1: we do that today for preinstalled apps
[18:13] <dmj_nova1> rather than failing the app and using an older revision
[18:14] <dmj_nova1> of just the app
[18:14] <doanac`> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/
[18:14] <sergiusens> dmj_nova1: that requires an image rebuild
[18:14] <cjohnston> The daily image testing should only show core apps
[18:14] <doanac`> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3809/
[18:14] <sergiusens> dmj_nova1: I'm talking about preinstalled apps here
[18:16] <cjohnston> We will need the emulator to scale this
[18:16] <elopio> I'm also a little confused here. You are talking about end to end tests with autopilot, for the installation of apps through the scope, right?
[18:17] <karni> cjohnston: (sorry for off topic question) where can I learn about UTouch emulator?
[18:17] <cjohnston> no idea
[18:17] <elopio> but on the previous session about scopes they said we will be focusing only on unit tests for the scopes
[18:17] <karni> cjohnston: Do we even have one already? :)
[18:18] <cjohnston> I think one is in the works, but I don't know much more about that
[18:18] <karni> cjohnston: I see, thank you
[18:19] <dholbach> can everyone please help taking notes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Decisions/ContinuousIntegration
[18:19] <dholbach> oops sorry
[18:19] <dholbach> wrong link
[18:19] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-app-story-continuous-integration
[18:20] <karni> Related (someone might be interested) http://askubuntu.com/questions/259338/is-there-an-ubuntu-touch-emulator-or-a-way-to-install-it-in-a-vm
[18:21] <elopio> testing with autopilot using a well-known app on the real server is not a good idea.
[18:21] <elopio> no isolation, lots of points of failure.
[18:22] <sergiusens> elopio: any better idea?
[18:22] <elopio> sergiusens: a couple. We can have the server running in an lxc, and connect the scope to our local server.
[18:22] <sergiusens> elopio: and how would that make it end to end?
[18:22] <elopio> or, what I would like better, is to split the testing. Test the unity preview in a suite
[18:23] <elopio> test the server in a separate suite.
[18:23] <sergiusens> elopio: I'm not saying don't test individually, just an additional layer, which is end to end
[18:23] <elopio> that will leave a really small end to end suite.  That additional layer, IMO, should run against a local server, not against production. And it should be as small as possible.
[18:26] <cjohnston> yes, test seperatly
[18:26] <cjohnston> the appstore stuff should be completely seperate from installing on the phone and running it
[18:26] <dmj_nova1> On Ubuntu Touch, there will only the the base/pre-installed image and click packages?  Is that correct?
[18:28] <cjohnston> Testing stuff across the internet provides alot of possiblity for failures that shouldnt be failures.. (internet blips)
[18:28] <elopio> dholbach: is there still room in the hangout?
[18:29] <dholbach> elopio, sure
[18:30] <sergiusens> everytime dholbach talks my google plugin goes wild
[18:31] <sergiusens> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-1308-community-1308-app-story-continuous-integration/latest alecu
[18:31] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-app-story-continuous-integration
[18:31] <dholbach> sergiusens, really? :)
[18:31] <alecu> thanks
[18:31] <sergiusens> dholbach: yeah :-)
[18:31] <noodles775> dholbach: same for me. Very choppy when you talk (sometimes)
[18:31] <dholbach> oops
[18:31] <dholbach> let me try to remove the video
[18:34] <alecu> elopio: you are moving too much and I'm getting dizzy!
[18:34] <alecu> :-)
[18:35]  * alecu fetches a fixed chair for elopio
[18:39] <elopio> alecu: it's just that I want to dance@
[18:40] <alecu> :-)
[18:41] <fginther> dholbach, I got very little of that
[18:41] <dholbach> sorry :-(
[18:41] <dholbach> damn, my internet sucks
[18:41] <dholbach> I was just trying to ask how we best structure this
[18:41] <dholbach> we have representatives from all teams here
[18:42] <dholbach> which tests do we have already? which are we missing?
[18:42] <cjohnston> sergiusens: ^
[18:42] <dholbach> can we prioritise those tests?
[18:42] <dholbach> what kind of integration tests can we build on top of that?
[18:43] <balloons> it might be helpful to name all the teams and pieces, and show the workflow a bit
[18:43] <dholbach> yes
[18:43] <dholbach> and where touch points are between the teams/projects
[18:44] <balloons> exactly, let's get that now
[18:44] <cjohnston> Get the testing running manually before trying to automate it
[18:44] <dholbach> can everyone take an action to start listing the LP projects their teams are working on and which tests they already have?
[18:46] <noodles775> dholbach: here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Decisions/ContinuousIntegration
[18:46] <dholbach> yep, that'd be great
[18:47] <dholbach> so I just added a couple of suggested work items to the pad
[18:47] <dholbach> (sorry for not being there in the hangout - seems my connection is really bad - I can hear/see you all very well)
[18:48] <dholbach> does that make sense so far?
[18:51] <dholbach> do these work items make sense?
[18:51] <dholbach> [everyone] document which projects their team works on and which tests are already there
[18:51] <dholbach> [everyone] figure out which high-profile tests are still missing and file bugs for them
[18:51] <dholbach> [everyone] bring up on the mailing list which integration points with other projects there are
[18:52] <alecu> how do you spell it? ssg?
[18:52] <noodles775> sst - selenium simple test
[18:53] <dholbach> sergiusens, in terms of "having click packages working on the device" - are there tests you'd suggest having? (given the breakage in the past ;-))
[18:54] <sergiusens> dholbach: everything is set to test the individual apps
[18:54] <sergiusens> dholbach: well, missing the autopilot thing to launch from upstart
[18:54] <dholbach> awesome
[18:55] <dholbach> who would be willing to join a follow-up call to put together an actual list of tests, so we can start filing bugs on all the individual projects?
[18:55] <noodles775> sure
[18:55] <dholbach> anyone else?
[18:56] <dholbach> balloons, ^ can you ask?
[18:56] <balloons> ohh sure.. when?
[18:56] <dholbach> just in the call
[18:56] <dholbach> I#ll mail everyone who's interested
[18:58]  * elopio raises the hand.
[18:58]  * alecu too
[18:58] <dholbach> thanks!
[18:58] <dholbach> all right... I think with the follow-up call we're good to go :)
[18:59] <dholbach> what a disaster this connection is :-(((((
[18:59] <dholbach> sorry about that
[18:59] <elopio> dholbach: add vila to the invitation, please.
[18:59] <dholbach> will do
[18:59] <noodles775> dholbach: has it been like that all day? (it wasn't too bad at the end)
[19:00] <dholbach> noodles775, no not all - it worked fine, then it dropped all the time (back at home), now I moved to my brother's place and I have issues here too it seems


[02:28] <desrt> robert_ancell: arrive 25, depart 2
[02:29] <robert_ancell> desrt, me too! snap!
[02:38] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I should have a system-compositor that could be used for some testing in the next couple of days. I'm not entirely sure how to go about testing it, though.
[02:44] <robert_ancell> RAOF, we get it into main and have it optionally enabled from lightdm
[02:44] <robert_ancell> and then find victims, er I mean willing testers
[02:45] <RAOF> I was hoping for something slightly less total :()
[02:45] <robert_ancell> RAOF, well, why not?  I guess we could PPA the system compositor part and then still have support in lightdm
[02:45] <RAOF> I guess I need to develop a testing dm harness, basically.
[02:45] <robert_ancell> oh, I see
[02:46] <robert_ancell> you'd need to simulate the kernel interfaces for that right?
[02:47] <RAOF> Not really, no; it could be run under X11.
[02:47] <RAOF> At least, the system compositor part of it can be. The dm needs to be a singleton, so there's fun interaction between the testing dm and the *actual* dm.
[02:48] <RAOF> But the interface between system-compositor and dm should be able to be tested under an existing user session.
[02:48] <robert_ancell> when does the compositor contact the dm?
[02:49] <RAOF> When interesting stuff happens - namely, when clients are ready to switch to.
[02:49] <robert_ancell> isn't the dm just the thing that ran the compositor from it's point of view
[02:49] <RAOF> Right, but the dm needs to talk to the compositor to do all its dm bits - handing off client fds, switching between user sessions, etc.
[02:50] <RAOF> Also, why doesn't C have a bulit-in hashtable type.
[02:50] <RAOF> Stupid primitive language :/
[02:52] <robert_ancell> So you have to write a stub dm right?
[02:52] <RAOF> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[02:53] <RAOF> I was just talking myself into it.
[02:53] <robert_ancell> RAOF, where is the repo?
[02:55] <RAOF> It's on github on the basis that I have a github account and weston's in git. https://github.com/RAOF/weston ; it's not yet in a state to do anything interesting. I need to finish off a bit of the init work, then fold up patches in a more sensible order, then there'll be something to test.
[02:55] <lifeless> is there a code import for it ? :)
[02:56] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so will it be the weston package or will we fork and cut down and make "unity-system-compositor"
[02:56] <RAOF> lifeless: Not yet, no. I'll wait until it's at least marginally useful ;)
[02:56] <RAOF> robert_ancell: At this point I think it can be a part of the weston package.
[02:57] <RAOF> robert_ancell: That's how I'm developing it, and I haven't any hit serious roadblocks yet.
[02:58] <RAOF> It'll also be easy to fork weston and strip out the non-system-compositor bits if it turns out that we need to.
[02:58] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so it will be flexible in terms of supporting multiple transitions and upstream will be happy to take the changes?
[02:59] <RAOF> Yes, and I believe so.
[03:00] <RAOF> The transitions should all be handleable strictly within the system-compositor plugin, or we could do something slightly more annoying like pluggable transitions. Either way, weston already has a reasonably nice way to get the compositor to animate stuff.
[03:28] <lifeless> RAOF: do you know how I can get my middle trackpad button back?
[03:28] <lifeless> RAOF: so that paste is immediate, not 2 seconds later
[03:29] <RAOF> It is immediate here...
[03:29] <lifeless> ><
[03:29] <RAOF> You're talking about a real third button, right?
[03:29] <lifeless> yes, x201s
[03:29] <lifeless> three buttons, pad, two buttons top to bottom
[03:30] <lifeless> RAOF: if I chord on the bottom two, its instant
[03:30] <RAOF> Urgh.
[03:30] <RAOF> Um...
[03:30] <lifeless> I'm guessing its the 'you can scroll with this button' ''feature''
[03:30] <RAOF> So, the answer to your question is "I don't know"
[03:31] <RAOF> I don't see why that would be the case; you've already finished the tap, which means you can't possibly want to scroll with it.
[03:31] <RAOF> Probably just a garden-variety bug.
[03:40] <pitti> Good morning
[05:29] <didrocks> good morning
[05:30] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ca va?
[05:30] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti! I'm great, thanks, and you?
[05:30] <didrocks> long week-end with the whole family in Lyon, was nice :)
[05:45] <pitti> didrocks: we went to visit some friends for three days, returned yesterday
[05:45] <pitti> too much beer and too little sleep, but we really enjoyed it :)
[07:38] <Sweetshark> moin.
[07:41] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, how are you?
[07:46] <Sweetshark> better than yesterday. had a circulatory collapse in the gym ....
[07:51] <pitti> urgh
[07:53] <RAOF> Oooh. Going too hard?
[08:00] <Sweetshark> yeah, likely just undersugared and underhydrated in a sultry warm climate.
[08:01] <Sweetshark> taking it slow today - the medics wanted to confiscate my bike so that I dont try to ride home ;)
[08:01] <RAOF> The sultry warm climate of northern Europe? What's going on up there?!
[08:02] <Sweetshark> RAOF: well, not climate -- weather.
[08:02] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:02] <RAOF> Hey ho chrisccoulson
[08:03] <chrisccoulson> hi RAOF!
[08:03] <Sweetshark> RAOF: its all relative. We northern europeans are weenies wrt that ;)
[08:04] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, Sweetshark, RAOF :)
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, how are you?
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> hi Sweetshark!
[08:04] <didrocks> I'm fine thanks chrisccoulson, yourself?
[08:05] <didrocks> already mostly setup my new laptop yesterday evening. Finishing the install to be up to work :)
[08:08] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: congrats to the 15 killed kilograms. arent you brits supposed to use funny units of measure?
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, yeah, but 15kg is better than 33lb 1.2oz :)
[08:09] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: ;)
[08:11]  * Sweetshark updated his release devbuilder too over the weekend. now the quadcore i7 with 16 GB RAM has a 512GB SSD. Also makes the notebook lighter although you wouldnt notice before removing the power pack (which I usually do when not travelling).
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> i think my next machine is going to have to have 16GB of RAM
[08:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: oh btw, what was the option again to have a global thunderbird setting of "check in all imap folders"?
[08:33] <didrocks> I'm under the impression that it's not needed anymore, isn't it?
[08:33] <didrocks> or that it's on by default?
[08:37] <seb128> hey didrocks, what is not needed?
[08:42] <larsu> didrocks, it's mail.server.default.check_all_folders_for_new. it was off by default for me
[08:43] <larsu> it should really be on by default
[08:44] <seb128> is that the "actively refresh all subfolders"?
[08:44] <seb128> larsu, hey ;-)
[08:44] <larsu> seb128, hey!
[08:44] <larsu> yes, that's it
[08:45] <seb128> they were discussing making it default during the oneiric cycle I think, dunno if that happened
[08:52] <didrocks> hey seb128 ;)
[08:52] <didrocks> good morning larsu
[08:52] <larsu> hey didrocks, had a nice weekend?
[08:52] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, nice week-end with the family, thanks! Also got my new laptop so, finishing the setup I started yesterday evening :)
[08:53] <didrocks> seems I don't have notification on weechat yet ;)
[08:53] <larsu> didrocks, nice!
[08:53] <didrocks> larsu: and yourself?
[08:54] <larsu> didrocks, very nice also, went to a ropes course yesterday with friends. loads of fun
[08:54] <didrocks> great ;)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, will have a look in a bit. trying to get to the bottom of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754554 first ;)
[08:56] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 754554 in JavaScript Engine "Various JIT test failures related to FloatArrays when compiled with gcc 4.7" [Normal,New: ]
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> so i can play angry birds again!
[08:57] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: larsu gave me the url already :)
[08:58] <didrocks> weird, the boolean is set to false, but I get randomly some new emails in *some* folders without clicking on them
[08:58] <didrocks> the heuristic is weird
[09:12] <ritz> chrisccoulson, morning :)
[09:12] <ritz> good to hear about angry bird
[09:15] <ritz> chrisccoulson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1000885 :(
[09:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1000885 in firefox "ff crashes on xslt transformation when using oracle java plugin" [Critical,New]
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, bug #1004992 ... are you still interested in floppy mounting issues? :-)
[09:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1004992 in gvfs "Does not detect hotplugged storage device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004992
[09:46]  * seb128 hides
[09:46] <pitti> seb128: "still"? I have never been :)
[09:47] <seb128> hehe
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, it had been a while that we didn't get a bug about floppy, I though they finally stopped being used
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, but seems not totally yet ;-)
[09:48] <pitti> it might actually be slightly better with udisks2 now
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, speaking about udisk2, did you see bug #1005643
[10:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1005643 in policykit-desktop-privileges "Internal volumes are now requiring authenication to mount, or unmount " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005643
[10:29] <pitti> seb128: ah, thanks; will fix
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, danke
[11:06] <tjaalton> i have a pdf file thunderbird thinks is a truetype font, but 'file' & nautilus both recognize as valid pdf
[11:08] <tjaalton> but since it's my paycheck I'd rather not share it :)
[11:09] <seb128> tjaalton, is it attached to an email?
[11:09] <tjaalton> seb128: yep
[11:10] <seb128> tjaalton, look at the email source? is there a mimetype in the source?
[11:11] <tjaalton> seb128: hah, good point. it's faulty
[11:11] <tjaalton> so, sender issue
[11:12] <tjaalton> this was an old email anyway, hasn't happened twice
[11:13] <seb128> tjaalton, ok
[12:43] <desrt> happy tuesday!
[12:43] <ogra_> heh
[12:43] <ogra_> to you too
[13:04] <bcurtiswx> good morning
[13:08] <mterry> pitti, where can I see submitted crash reports and make a bug out of them?  If I'm reading the code right, they get auto-sent to daisy.u.c now with the new apport.  I can't see my crash in errors.u.c.
[13:09] <pitti> mterry: good morning
[13:09] <mterry> pitti, (good morning! :))
[13:09] <pitti> mterry: that's a question for ev, but it should be visible on errors.u.c. somewhere
[13:09] <mterry> pitti, OK, thanks
[13:09] <pitti> mterry: you can also re-enable sending to LP in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf if you want
[13:10] <pitti> mterry: comment out the line with 'problem_types': ['Bug', 'Package'],
[13:11] <mterry> pitti, or add Crash, I believe
[13:11] <pitti> *nod*
[13:18] <larsduesing> Am I here right for questions with apport?
[13:18] <larsduesing> devel-questions
[13:20] <bcurtiswx> good morning kenvandine, gwibber issue (not sure if bug or feature request) but when I get new messages (shown on the unity launcher count) and click into the program, it doesn't get rid of the number, I have to click on either the envolope or the home icons to turn it off..
[13:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, well i keep forgetting you have a channel for gwibber, so I'll continue over there :)
[13:23] <seb128> larsduesing, you can ask there or on #ubuntu-devel
[13:43] <ritz> chrisccoulson, ping
[13:56] <seb128> is anyone on precise using proposed who could ack that software-center <IP_ADDRESS> still works fine for them on bug #1002271?
[13:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1002271 in software-center "REGRESSION: crash in cell renderer" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002271
[14:00] <desrt> seb128: any areas in particular to check?
[14:01] <seb128> desrt, not especiall, browse a bit around, maybe install something
[14:01] <desrt> ohhh.  software centre
[14:01]  * desrt read control centre
[14:02] <desrt> oo.  gparted.  that sounds nice!
[14:02]  * desrt installs
[14:02] <seb128> ;-)
[14:03] <seb128> desrt, hey btw, happy tuesday! ;-)
[14:03] <desrt> thanks :D
[14:03] <desrt> our categorisation in the software centre is some kind of a disaster
[14:04] <seb128> desrt, isn't what everyone says about any categorisation? :p
[14:04] <seb128> desrt, I was ready a bug from an user some days ago complaining about music categorization is a disaster as well :p
[14:06] <desrt> seb128: so i go to developer tools
[14:06] <desrt> one of the toplevel items is haskell
[14:06] <desrt> seems a bit weird, but whatever.. haskell is cool
[14:06] <desrt> i click on haskell and there is a single item in there
[14:06] <desrt> and it's not obviously related to haskell
[14:06] <desrt> 'threadscope'
[14:07] <seb128> yeah, "lisp" is the same
[14:08] <seb128> mpt, ^ hey, is that a known design issue?
[14:08] <seb128> "libraries" is the same, over 3k technical items hidden, 1 visible entry
[14:36] <mitya57> didrocks: hey, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/compizconfig-settings-manager/sync-with-debian/+merge/107786 ?
[14:36] <mitya57> (it's part of our efforts to get rid of python-central)
[14:37] <didrocks> mitya57: hey, in fact, all compiz packaging is changing as upstream is going with one source only
[14:37] <didrocks> mitya57: I already have some working package that I'm just finishing (adding distro patches back right now)
[14:37] <didrocks> mitya57: and it doesn't use python-central anymore
[14:38] <mitya57> didrocks: really? I heard only of compiz + compiz-core + compiz-plugins* merging
[14:38] <didrocks> mitya57: everything, with python-compizconfig and ccsm
[14:38] <didrocks> (look at lp:compiz, which is compiz upstream trunk)
[14:40] <mitya57> didrocks: ok, you may still grab some bits from my branch (like the manpage, working d/watch, etc)
[14:40] <didrocks> mitya57: do you want to contribute to it? I think you can cherry-pick some work and apply to the new branch?
[14:41] <didrocks> mitya57: the new branch should be ready in really just 30 minutes, I'm finishing building using trunk and applying latest distro patches. If you are interested, I can poke you then :)
[14:42] <mitya57> didrocks: my primary interest was python helper things and I don't use compiz myself so I don't think I'm interested in this
[14:42] <mitya57> :(
[14:43] <didrocks> mitya57: ok, sorry for that, you should have poke me first to ensure about what changes in the packaging (but it was a long week-end and I was way…). I'll see what I can pick from here. thanks!
[14:43] <didrocks> (rejecting the branch for now)
[14:44] <mitya57> didrocks: I've just deleted the mp
[14:44] <didrocks> mitya57: ah, and I was juts blaming launchpad ;)
[14:45] <mitya57> :)
[14:45] <didrocks> mitya57: it would have help me though to see if we can pick the manpage for instance
[14:45] <didrocks> I'll use the branch, no worry :)
[14:45] <mitya57> didrocks: thanks
[15:02] <mitya57> dobey: hi
[15:02] <dobey> hi?
[15:02] <mitya57> did you manage to port  python-oauth to py3k?
[15:02] <dobey> yes, somewhat
[15:03] <mitya57> are you going to provide a distro-patch for that or contact upstream?
[15:03] <dobey> there is no upstream, and i have provided a distro-patch for it, but it seems to still have a bug or 30
[15:04] <mitya57> can you please include a patch from http://code.google.com/p/oauth/issues/detail?id=64 if you'l' be going to perform a new upload?
[15:04] <mitya57> (I'm maintainer of python-gdata and it needs this patch)
[15:04] <dobey> i'm not performing an upoad of it
[15:04] <barry> dobey: i should get back to testing your branch in the next day or so
[15:05] <mitya57> barry, dobey: pygdata currently includes a bundled version of
[15:06] <mitya57> oauth with some fixes (http://paste.debian.net/171749/),
[15:06] <dobey> you shouldn't do that
[15:06] <mitya57> if at least the fix for upstream #64 will be merged, this will allow me to use the external version instead of the bundled one
[15:07] <mitya57> see also http://bugs.debian.org/619428
[15:07] <dobey> that patch looks very broken
[15:08] <mitya57> do you mean the changed class name?
[15:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, was is "aurora" for firefox?
[15:09] <dobey> mitya57: i mean PLAINTEXT != RSA_SHA1
[15:10] <mitya57> hm, yes, it's quite broken
[15:11]  * mitya57 will now look at python-gdata's version and see what has been done there
[15:11] <dobey> so no, we won't ship that patch in debian
[15:12] <dobey> mitya57: you almost certainly don't want to use python-oauth if you can avoid it
[15:13] <mitya57> dobey: google ships an old and buggy version and doesn't worry about that :(
[15:14] <mitya57> dobey: ok, if it's all about debian patches, I can perform a team upload myself when I'll sort out how it should be fixed
[15:15] <dobey> google ships?
[15:15] <mitya57> python-gdata is a google's project :)
[15:18] <jbicha> kenvandine: could you do another light-themes release? there's some nice fixes for GNOME Classic in bzr
[15:20] <dobey> mitya57: you should get google to fix their code then
[15:21] <kenvandine> jbicha, i can look
[15:21] <mitya57> dobey: they don't like to respond to bugs/patches, unfortunately
[15:22] <mitya57> kenvandine, jbicha: it'll be also good to have this SRUed
[15:24] <dobey> mitya57: then there isn't much you can do. drop it from the archive maybe :)
[15:24] <dobey> mitya57: btw, their "CHANGES.txt" file lists a few "support for python 2.2" items, which is quite scary
[15:25] <mitya57> dobey: drop python-gdata? it has some 10 reverse dependencies
[15:25] <dobey> clean archive is a happy archive? :)
[15:26] <mitya57> dobey: ... and some 38009 users according to popcon :)
[15:26] <dobey> maybe they'd be happy to take it over from google then?
[15:27] <dobey> someone needs to fix it. and that someone is not me
[15:27] <mitya57> dobey: in the worst case I can leave it as is
[15:28] <mitya57> which is not bad at all
[15:30] <dobey> anyway, need to get food
[15:30] <seb128> re
[15:31] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, kenvandine, mterry, chrisccoulson, mlankhorst, Sweetshark, tkamppeter: it's meeting if anyone had an agenda or something to discuss
[15:31] <seb128> (seems not from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-05-29)
[15:31] <kenvandine> nothing from me
[15:31] <mterry> nothing from me
[15:31] <didrocks> nothing as well
[15:32] <seb128> Ursinha, Laney, cyphermox, whoever else I forget ;-) : ^
[15:32] <cyphermox> nothing to add ;)
[15:33] <mitya57> have to quit now
[15:43] <seb128> ok, seems no meeting then, thanks all ;-)
[15:44] <Laney> is this our last pitti meeting?
[15:44] <pitti> if we would have had one, yes :)
[15:44] <pitti> but I won't drop off IRC next week
[15:44]  * Laney gives you the goodbye bumps :-)
[15:44] <Laney> :P
[15:45] <pitti> thanks! *bow*
[15:45] <pitti> don't make seb128's life too hard!
[15:45] <seb128> ;-)
[15:46] <seb128> pitti, I will not say that we will miss you since you are not going anywhere far but still we will do miss you in some ways ;-)
[15:47] <mlankhorst> seb128: nothing for the agenda :)
[15:51]  * pitti hugs everyone
[15:58]  * bcurtiswx hugs pitti back
[15:58] <bcurtiswx> where you goin' ?
[15:59] <pitti> bcurtiswx: not that far, I'll move to the QA team to do upstream QA technology/test suites
[15:59] <pitti> bcurtiswx: http://www.piware.de/2012/05/to-boldly-go-where-no-test-has-gone-before/
[16:00] <bcurtiswx> pitti, good luck there :) you'll be missed
[16:04] <mlankhorst> pitty is putting the Q in QA *runs*
[16:07] <pitti> :)
[16:24] <aquarius> how do I create a launcher (that is, a .desktop file, not the Unity launcher :)) for a script, without typing it in by hand? Many moons ago you used to be able to right-click the desktop and say "create launcher", but that doesn't work any more (because nautilus doesn't run the desktop, and because the launcher creation tool is part of gnome-panel, which is not installed)
[16:25] <aquarius> the only ways I can find to do it are (a) create it by hand in gedit or (b) run the thing I want to launch, pin it to the Unity Launcher, then dig around in ~/.local/share/applications to find the desktop file and copy it somewhere else :)
[16:26] <seb128> aquarius, the idea was to use something like https://launchpad.net/unity-launcher-editor but I don't think that project is actively worked on or got anywhere, so either of the ways you listed are the current solutions
[16:27] <aquarius> seb128, ah, OK. Just wanted to check there wasn't some hugely obvious way that I was missing :)
[16:27] <seb128> aquarius, no, creating custom launcher is not something high on the design list, I guess most users don't do that, they just run things they install which provide a launcher
[16:28] <aquarius> seb128, oh, definitely. This is so I can run a bunch of scripts without getting the "this is an executable script; do you want to edit it, run it, or run it in the terminal" when I *know* it's an app I want to run
[16:28] <aquarius> not a massively common use case, so if it's not doable easily, I'm fine with that :)
[16:57] <pitti> good night everyone!
[16:57] <didrocks> have a good night pitti!
[16:57]  * didrocks will follow shortly
[17:06] <didrocks> time for exercising, see you tomorrow everyone!
[17:25] <mterry> tremolux, is there a way to make software-center think it's in a different distro release?  So that it will look at precise's paid-apps and such?
[17:26] <tremolux> mterry: heyo!! yes, there is, just use SOFTWARE_CENTER_DISTRO_CODENAME="precise" software-center
[17:26] <mterry> tremolux, fancy!
[17:26] <tremolux> mterry: that will get you the precise banners as well
[17:26] <tremolux> mterry: :D
[17:27] <mterry> tremolux, do you know that it seems to be broken in quantal about "set_data" errors?
[17:27] <mterry> tremolux, (software-center in general, not just with your trick you just showed me)
[17:27] <tremolux> mterry: give it a minute after startup for the caches to get updated (we have some delayed processes to optimize startup time)
[17:27] <tremolux> mterry: yes, that's bug 1000238, super-unfortunate
[17:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1000238 in software-center "Software-Center crashes on starting" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000238
[17:28] <mterry> cool
[17:28] <tremolux> mterry: as it's just a one-liner that needs to be removed from an old workaround that's not needed anymore :/
[17:29] <tremolux> mterry: mvo is out today, but I have a note in that we need to get this released asap
[17:30] <florida->  if a  laptop has a battery runtime of 3 hours. what would be at sleep. roughly? and can anyone tell what parts are active at sleep mode?
[18:43] <tkamppeter> ronoc, hi
[19:29] <seb128> micahg, hey, how is the firefox 13 testing going? did you have time yet to do a test run on the current candidate?
[19:29] <seb128> jbicha, hey, just as a warning you might want to update your clutter SRU
[19:30] <seb128> jbicha, the mandate now the details listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates (impact, dev fix, regression potential etc)
[19:39] <jbicha> seb128: I don't really have a test case and I didn't think that all of that was needed for GNOME point releases
[19:40] <seb128> jbicha, well, they started being stricter on that
[19:40] <seb128> jbicha, also packaging changes are usually not very welcome in a SRU
[19:41] <seb128> jbicha, like that SRU is a merge on Debian which adds extra diff which is not required in precise
[19:41] <seb128> jbicha, that always carries extra chances to create issues
[19:41] <seb128> but let's see what they say about that, I'm not in the SRU team
[19:48] <dobey> seb128: what's with that new mandating btw? :-/
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm not going to be popular with jo tomorrow
[22:55] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell TheMuso bryceh and RAOF could you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-05-29 and make sure any agenda items are there?
[22:56] <robert_ancell> no items from me
[22:56] <TheMuso> Done, and no agenda items from me.
[22:56] <jasoncwarner_> thanks robert_ancell and TheMuso
[22:56] <jasoncwarner_> and, good morning
[22:56] <RAOF> Good morning!  No agenda items from me.
[22:59]  * bryceh waves
[22:59] <bryceh> none from me either


[00:22] <bonny> how do i know which lubuntu i have?
[00:23] <MrChrisDruif> System monitor?
[00:23] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know if it's installed
[00:23] <MrChrisDruif> by default I mean
[00:23] <bonny> which version of lubuntu i have how do i figure out?
[00:23] <bonny> i had windows first if thats wat your asking for
[00:24] <bonny> i just want to know which lubuntu i have
[00:24] <bonny> which version
[00:24] <MrChrisDruif> In the Gnome version of Ubuntu (normal Ubuntu) there is an application called System Monitor, in there you can easily spot which version you have installed
[00:24] <bonny> so how do i figure out in lubuntu?
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> lsb_release -a in terminal
[00:28] <bonny> ok
[00:29] <bonny> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[00:29] <bonny> Description:	Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS
[00:29] <bonny> Release:	10.04
[00:29] <bonny> Codename:	lucid
[00:29] <bonny> is that up to date
[00:29] <bonny> if it isnt how can i upgrade
[00:29] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[00:29] <bonny> ok thanks
[00:29] <MrChrisDruif> It's up-to-date afaik, if you want to stay with the LTS version :)
[00:29] <bonny> is there any gaming channels
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> Gaming channels?
[00:30] <bonny> yah
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> Like #winehq ?
[00:30] <bonny> nvm that what is LTS version
[00:30] <bonny> nevermind*=nvm
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> Long Term Support if I remember correctly. Meaning it will be longer supported then the default release of Lubuntu
[00:47] <Stew_822> Unit193: Were you interested in the wallpaper changer I'm making?
[00:47] <Stew_822> I've forgotten :D
[00:48] <Unit193> Stew_822: I'll try it!
[00:48] <Stew_822> hehe cool as :]
[00:48] <Stew_822> Uh, what features do you think I should include?
[00:48] <Stew_822> And what program manages your desktop? pcmanfm?
[00:49] <Stew_822> *desktop background
[00:52] <Unit193> pcmanfm, Picasa/Flickr might be nice, bu hard...
[00:53] <Unit193> afk
[00:53] <Stew_822> That would be hard :P but heck I could give it a try later on :)
[01:15] <Unit193> Stew_822: Join #lubuntu-offtopic ?
[01:15] <Stew_822> Good idea
[02:47] <bonny> i need help burning ubuntu to a cd i am currently using lubuntu and i need help on how to install it to a cd so i can live cd it
[02:48] <UBuxuBU> 32 or 64 bit bonny
[02:48] <bonny> 32 bit
[02:48] <UBuxuBU> one moment
[02:49] <bonny> ok
[02:49] <UBuxuBU> desktop?
[02:49] <UBuxuBU> or netbook?
[02:50] <bonny> desktop
[02:50] <UBuxuBU> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[02:51] <bonny> im already there :D
[02:51] <UBuxuBU> simply dowload it and burn it to a cd
[02:51] <ericy> bonny:  Hello again.
[02:51] <UBuxuBU> have u d-loaded it yet
[02:52] <bonny> do i open it with x archiver or save it some where
[02:52] <UBuxuBU> save it
[02:52] <bonny> save it where
[02:52] <UBuxuBU> ru in lubuntu?
[02:52] <bonny> yes
[02:52] <UBuxuBU> i think it saves t oyour  home by default
[02:53] <bonny> ok its downloading
[02:53] <UBuxuBU> but if u want to save to desktop doesnt matter
[02:53] <bonny> so wat do i do when its done how do i burn to cd just copy and past?
[02:53] <UBuxuBU> burn to cd
[02:54] <bonny> if i right click it will there be an option to burn to cd?
[02:55] <UBuxuBU> im going to boot into lubuntu
[02:55] <UBuxuBU> brb
[02:55] <UBuxuBU> its on my other laptop
[02:55] <bonny> ok
[02:56] <ericy> bonny:  Use Xarchiver (in Accessories menu).
[02:56] <bonny> i know but i saved it and i dont know how to burn something to cd
[02:58] <ericy> bonny:  Use Xfburn in Sound Menu.
[02:58] <bonny> i dont have that
[02:59] <bonny> sudo apt-get install xfburn?
[03:00] <ericy> I am surprised because I think Xfburn is a default program.
[03:00] <bonny> nvm i do
[03:00] <bonny> nevermind srry
[03:00] <bonny> its just not in the menu
[03:00] <bonny> i can run it from terminal though
[03:01] <ericy> Really? In Sound & Video menu?
[03:01] <bonny> wow i think im kinda freakin out today haha its right there wow
[03:02] <ericy> It might be more convenient to run Xfburn by, Alt-F2. Try that.
[03:02] <UBuxuBU> hmmm my xburn refused to open...updating...
[03:03] <bonny> its ok i found it in the menu
[03:03] <ericy> .
[03:03] <bonny> im gonna test something
[03:04] <bonny> do i click burn image to burn ubuntu?
[03:06] <bonny> ok back
[03:06] <bonny> ericy, have you ever tried ubuntu
[03:07] <ericy> As I said yesterday, I have been using Ubuntu for 2 years, and Lubuntu for 2 months.
[03:07] <UBuxuBU> its nice buts kinda slow
[03:08] <UBuxuBU> i like ubuntu if i have at least 1 gig of ram preferably 2
[03:08] <bonny> oh ok
[03:09] <ericy> (Well I just had breakfast so soon I want to get back to writing a small utility in Python language.) )
[03:10] <bonny> ceya  ericy bye ubuuxbu thanks for the help
[03:10] <UBuxuBU> ok
[03:11] <UBuxuBU> hmm just noticed xfburn will not work in a vm
[03:12] <UBuxuBU> and the warning window crashes
[03:13] <UBuxuBU> odd i kept clicking it and it came up its totally malfunctioning
[04:40] <gnewb> Hello, can I put Lubuntu on a stick/USB ?
[04:41] <Unit193> !usb | gnewb
[04:41] <gnewb> Thank you.
[04:41] <Unit193> No problem!
[04:42] <gnewb> Unit93: That is where I was having the error at, I think it was Finalizing?
[04:45] <gnewb> Unit93: Was also a UC3 part on it, can I just get rid of that?
[04:46] <gnewb> Oh, ok, I just found that on that Link posted, Thank you kindly.
[05:27] <bioterror>  booted a cd and installed on a usb stick
[05:39] <ericy> As we speak, I am running Lubuntu 10.10 Live & persistent, on a  4GB usb stick. (Using 500GB HDD for data and various linux partitions.)
[05:41] <ericy> gnewb: (See my last line.)
[05:43] <Unit193> ericy: gnewb left #lubuntu some time ago
[05:47] <mali> heya... I was here the other day and speaking about helping out, I said if I get around o it I could/would :p
[05:48] <mali> but anyway.. I after testing, thinking, trying and all that, think I will settle on *buntu as main desktop.. and will use lubuntu BUT I admit , it is because I wish to have a low resource finished wm.. but also I wish to build up my 'main' DE, being pure compiz + a few things from lxde, kde, and so on.
[05:49] <mali> would you guys recommend a headless ubuntu server to start with or run it on lubuntu (I don't mind the extra space of having lxde/compiz).. and finally.. does lxde work fine on openbox too, and/or why is fluxbox chosen as it's wm?
[05:49] <mali> :)
[05:49] <mali> if anyone is around, that is :)
[06:19] <bioterror> mali, ubuntu mini.iso
[06:19] <bioterror> minimal installation
[06:20] <mali> bioterror: !!!!
[06:20] <mali> thank you omg I am downloading the server now and am wee[ping at the 600 :p
[06:20] <mali> MB*
[06:20] <mali> didn't ever rememebr seeing a mini.iso :)
[06:21] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[06:23] <mali> ye coudl only find desk, server, altenrate
[06:23] <bioterror> :--)
[06:23] <mali> :)
[06:23] <mali> thanks!!
[06:23] <bioterror> Have fun with creating your own flavour of *buntu
[06:23] <mali> well, I will pull in compiz say
[06:23] <bioterror> my desktop is part of LXDE and part of XFCE on Window Maker
[06:24] <mali> I guess the lovely auto mount features are all not gonna be there ;P
[06:24] <mali> twm?
[06:24] <bioterror> my laptop has pieces of Gnome, LXDE and XFCE on Fluxbox
[06:24] <mali> window maker == twm or not? I don't rememebr now.. but
[06:24] <mali> twm is my oldskool wm from you know the 99-00 era :p
[06:24] <mali> I use it always when i test X
[06:25] <mali> and it is remarkable how lovely implemented it is on logic
[06:25] <bioterror> twm should be the default Window Manager of X
[06:25] <bioterror> if I remember right
[06:25] <mali> smack it down where you need it, resize it, easy minimisation, dead small footprint
[06:25] <bioterror> and you get automount easily
[06:25] <bioterror> at least I have them ;)
[06:25] <mali> as one know.. everything else is eyecandy really so if one isn't bothered it's a great gui on top of a server say if you absolutely need it in days of visual need
[06:26] <mali> yes.. ah isn't window maker the same then?
[06:26] <mali> hmm, I will look it up as I knwo I used them all back in the day
[06:26] <mali> ye bioterror: easy and easy, when I try building on top of a lfs or something, I never get the automount's easily setup , at least not with the right RW rights
[06:27] <mali> but that's just a lil scrip there and there and should work itself out I guess
[06:27] <mali> so if I want to launch the mini.iso from disk, does it use generic names vmlinuz/initrd.img or does it append the kernel version buntu style?
[06:29] <mali> (nvm, I will figure that out now it's dl)
[06:31] <mali> ha! windowmaker.. i got curious now..you know, the only reason I want to have compiz as the engine is for that silly middle mouse click drag cube :p
[06:31] <mali> that is the single one thing I love having as eye candy
[06:31] <bioterror> I dont need them
[06:31] <bioterror> makes me feel bad as I change desktops alot
[06:31] <mali> all other things to me are unnecessary but I admit I have a weakness for that cube.. can't help it :/
[06:31] <mali> for what?
[06:31] <mali> for changing and trying.. that's the beauty of the diversity of linux
[06:31] <mali> choice :)
[06:32] <mali> I tend to stick to something for a year at least but then I tend to have like a month or two of mayhem
[06:32] <mali> whenre I just try out so many different things and tent to fall back on something .. at least I know more what I want and what not
[06:33] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/archhh4.png that's my desktop computer's desktop. beautiful I think. no need for moar eye candy
[06:37] <mali> will check it now.. blah start up creator doesn't accept the mini iso
[06:37] <mali> can I just dd it?
[06:38] <bioterror> nope
[06:38] <bioterror> only arch based distros can be dd
[06:38] <mali> well I did dd with squeeze net instl and it worked too :)
[06:38] <mali> so I thought debian/ubuntu
[06:38] <mali> but ye, both arch and squeeze i managed str8 dd
[06:39] <mali> dso I do what (z)cat or rsync
[06:39] <mali> then get syslinux etc from ftp or?
[06:40] <mali> very nice bioterror
[06:41] <mali> but on arch I get so much megalahem mayhem haha, I feel like going ubu bare, compiz only and I will compile the odd package I need updated
[06:41] <bioterror> if you compile yourself, remember to use checkinstall ;)
[06:42] <mali> althoguh arch = easiest, quickest install ever + grt boot times, but in arch I typically always have this hassle with
[06:42] <mali> with write perimssions on auotmounts and all
[06:42] <mali> ye, I know
[06:42] <bioterror> no problems
[06:42] <mali> I found checkinstall and all that a week back
[06:42] <bioterror> exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch wmaker
[06:42] <bioterror> and you get permissions with thunar
[06:43] <mali> ye I wasn't using thunar
[06:43] <mali> tried pcmanfm
[06:43] <mali> and was using dolphin as well whilst troubleshooting compiz
[06:44] <mali> the thing is with arch, I am somewhat unrelaxed about security with rolling release + non signatures on packages
[06:44] <mali> but I am getting a new computer in august, even if this one is onl 4 months old :p but then I think I will use arch for my funbox
[06:44] <mali> :D
[06:44] <mali> as it will be sooo juicy I think
[06:45] <mali> hmm will unetbootin work then with it.. should do right? will try
[06:45] <bioterror> yes
[06:46] <bioterror> unetbootin should work
[06:47] <mali> k
[06:47] <mali> well if I am not back soon it means I am pissin about with that and it worked.. else prolly iwll pop by and say "blah"
[06:47] <mali> ;)
[06:47] <mali> thanks for the tips !
[06:50] <mali> worked
[06:50] <mali> yay
[06:50] <bioterror> \o/
[06:50] <mali> hehe ye I forgot to sasve the compiz configuration crap when I get to that
[06:51] <mali> might try the windowmaker as an option as I wanted lubuntu, cos I don't mind a lightweight alternative but point is comp can handle bloat.. but I like it being concise BUT i want that middle mouse click drag cube rotate :P:P
[06:51] <mali> the ONE eye candy I like and want!
[06:51] <bioterror> ;)
[06:51] <mali> you use cli itrc or gui?
[06:51] <mali> eg. weechat or other?
[06:51] <bioterror> I'm using weechat
[06:51] <mali> as gui client I like
[06:51] <bioterror> and it makes me cry atm.
[06:51] <mali> ye.. I was just looking into that
[06:51] <mali> why?
[06:52] <bioterror> I upgraded it yesterday and eeeverything was broken
[06:52] <mali> ah crap :/
[06:52] <bioterror> I still cant connect to two servers with SSL
[06:52] <mali> no backup files?
[06:52] <mali> rollback?
[06:52] <bioterror> I'm using dev tree of weechat
[06:52] <mali> I mean, what new features did you upgrade for?
[06:52] <mali> ye ok
[06:52] <bioterror> lots of, some stuff on act's and so on
[06:52] <bioterror> but removed them :D
[06:52] <mali> hehe
[06:53] <mali> :)
[06:53] <bioterror> WeeChat uptime: 92 days 03:22:49, started on Tue, 11 Jan 2011 04:30:42
[06:53] <bioterror> ;)
[06:53] <bioterror> maybe I should give up with the SSL
[06:53] <bioterror> seems to make life a lot harder
[06:54] <Unit193> Irssi: Uptime: 22d 7h 7m 21s
[06:54] <Unit193> You win ;)
[06:55] <bioterror> hmm, my vps been up for 103 days
[06:55] <bioterror> not bad
[06:55] <Unit193> Ah! I SSH into my own...
[06:58] <mali> hehe
[06:58] <mali> ok bbl am off to play with mini iso :p
[06:59] <Unit193> bioterror: Do you use Mutt or Alpine?
[06:59] <bioterror> alpine
[09:28] <malina> well bioterror
[09:28] <malina> I got it just as I wanted it.. kinda ;p
[09:28] <bioterror> almost there then
[09:29] <malina> the .compiz-session in ~ doesn't seem to trigegr :/
[09:29] <malina> trigger
[09:29] <malina> and I don't have ouse in 'gdm' as I just took that for now
[09:29] <malina> thats a xf86-uvdev
[09:29] <malina> something?
[09:29] <malina> I couldn't find it in apt in the back of my miund
[09:29] <bioterror> synaptics?
[09:29] <malina> ye I have a
[09:29] <malina> ye
[09:29] <malina> as in , my usb mouse won't work in the gdm
[09:29] <malina> only after I login to compiz
[09:30] <bioterror> hmmm
[09:30] <malina> and I have to still do compiz --replace ccp
[09:30] <bioterror> I'm not familiar with compiz
[09:30] <malina> even if I set up sessions.desktop in usr/share/xsessions,
[09:30] <malina> ya it's more about the X not readin gme scripts
[09:30] <malina> but I guess I will figure i tout
[09:31] <malina> and I kinda liked not having a BG, so when I rotrate you can still see inside the cube afterwards, BUT it disappears again on startup.. sigh
[09:31] <malina> but it's at least *almsot* there ;p
[09:32] <bioterror> some fine tuning :D
[09:33] <malina> ye hehe
[09:33] <malina> god I love that lil mouse trail particles thingy alway when I first set up compoz
[09:33] <malina> then I go tired of it aftr a day ;p
[15:46] <bkaplan_> Hello, I'm having some issues with the noveau driver and my 7800GT which prevent the Lubuntu installer from starting. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to get the Lubuntu 10.10 installer running in a safe graphics mode or in text mode?
[21:17] <kosaidpo|> hello
[21:18] <kosaidpo|> is there any app to unlock my 3g modem ??
[22:51] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[22:51] <bkaplan> hello
[22:52] <kosaidpo|> i have win and lubuntu and now i wanna get ride of win how can i do that without getin any damage ?
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo|: Good choice :)
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> Boot a liveCD, delete the partition of Windows (when you've got all files backed up from it) and enlarge the partition of Lubuntu
[22:54] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: i always do that the only good tghings is when i have a problem on my lbuntu n icant acces so i use win other than that im on lbuntu : D
[22:56] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: okies , btw have u tried it b4 ??
[22:56] <MrChrisDruif> With Ubuntu, yes
[22:57] <MrChrisDruif> *When I installed Ubuntu


[00:20] <nerdful_things> !help
[00:20] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[05:37] <djhills> Im setting up a sorta weird configuration in an RV. I have a MythBuntu box setup with an 800i pinnacle card wired into the crank up antennae on the rv. I have everything updated and seems to be working but im not sure if i have the card setup right in mythtv. Any time i scan for channels i cant get a lock on a single one. Any suggestions?
[06:28] <mycosys> have you tested with another realtime playback app?
[06:28] <mycosys> would help know if it is myth or the card/driver
[08:39] <djhills> I've used it in windows for a few months with no problems. though not with this antennae setup. just had a standard small lil plug and play digital antennae. Problem i had with windows is that the pinnacle software would cause the computer to lockup.
[11:34] <mycosys> djhills i would be using another app (under linux) to test the aerial and driver combo
[17:06] <qwebirc55812> Hello
[17:07] <qwebirc55812> I have a question,...I have a HD-PVR and Directv (box model:H21-200) are these supported using Mythbuntu
[17:08] <tgm4883> yes
[17:09] <qwebirc55812> is there anything special in order to get the IR blaster working with the directv box as far as channel changing goes?
[17:09]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[17:10] <tgm4883> I don't use the IR blaster on mine
[17:10] <qwebirc55812> Sorry, I am a linux newb, so forgive me if I ask basic questions  :)
[17:10] <qwebirc55812> What are your recommendations ?
[17:11] <tgm4883> when I used directv, i used usb/serial channel changing
[17:11] <tgm4883> I have cable now, so I use firewire channel changing with my HDPVR
[17:11] <tgm4883> I've never really used IR blasting, so I can't comment
[17:11] <qwebirc55812> Can I just hookup a USB cable from the directv box to my computer?
[17:11] <tgm4883> No, IIRC you need a special cable
[17:12] <tgm4883> I haven't done that in 2+ years
[17:12] <qwebirc55812> I see, I assume it's a better way to go?
[17:13] <tgm4883> yea I think so
[17:14] <qwebirc55812> ok, this cable, do I have to buy it online or is it something I can grab from radio shack or something
[17:17] <tgm4883> You could probably find it in radio shack, I bought mine online. I'm not sure which is cheaper
[17:17] <tgm4883> sec
[17:18] <tgm4883> qwebirc55812, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecTV_Set_Top_Box_(STB)_via_USB_or_Serial
[17:18] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Controlling DirecTV Set Top Box (STB) via USB or Serial - MythTV
[17:18] <tgm4883> take a look at that, I'm pretty sure thats what i read up on
[17:21] <qwebirc55812> hmm, it says there that I also need a Null modem in addition to a DB9-USB cable, do you remember having that?
[17:23] <tgm4883> I don't recall
[17:23] <tgm4883> I used it with a D11 and an H20
[17:26] <radicalbiscuit> hello all. I have a frontend/backend machine where I would like to disable X and run it headless without removing any software so that I have the option to boot up the gui if and when I want. Without inittab and sane init levels, I'm not sure what to do from here. Any suggestions?
[18:28] <Jkessler> !help
[18:28] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[18:31] <Jkessler> i installed a wireless card in my desktop then installed ubuntu 10.10.  it boots up fine, but it won't let me exit mythtv to configure my network and run updates.  "Are you sure you want to exit mythtv?"   i select "yes" then it locks up.  i've tried ctrl + alt + f5, logged in, then startx but i won't restart x
[18:33] <Jkessler> also, where do i reconfigure the remote?  i purchased a TBS 6981 pci-e dvb-s2 dual tuner card, i selected the default remote and there is no reponse.  but then again, i'm not sure if the card is configured right
[20:43] <Nede> hi chat
[20:44] <Nede> How do I know if the form of CI TechnoTrend S2-3200 is seen by Mythbuntu
[20:55] <gregL> Nede, I have no knowledge if this card will work in Linux or not,but you can check  http://linuxtv.org/       If it works in Linux generally it will work in Mythbuntu
[20:57] <Nede> gregL, in linuxtv card + CI works!!!!!
[21:55] <Nede> How do I get this log (the last, extra log info)? :http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechnoTrend_TT-DVB-T_1500
[21:55] <Zinn> [www.linuxtv.org] TechnoTrend TT-DVB-T 1500 - LinuxTVWiki


[12:09] <mxpxpod> seb128: did you get the bug I closed and then re-opened?
[12:10] <seb128> yep
[12:10] <mxpxpod> does my explanation sound reasonable?
[12:12] <seb128> not really
[12:12] <mxpxpod> ok
[12:12] <mxpxpod> I'm not sure why, but a recompile of libwnck fixes my problems
[12:12] <seb128> "the symbols in libwnck need to be updated with a recompile"
[12:12] <seb128> what's that?
[12:13] <seb128> the symboles are the the list of stuff declared by the lib
[12:13] <seb128> that's not going to change on a rebuil
[12:13] <mxpxpod> ok
[12:13] <seb128> a rebuild doesn't change the ABI
[12:13] <mxpxpod> maybe what the lib points to in other libs needs to be updated
[12:14] <seb128> that would mean than a lib has changed its ABI
[12:14] <seb128> wnck has not
[12:14] <seb128> and I doubt that libc breaks the compatibility
[12:14] <mxpxpod> could it be glib?
[12:14] <seb128> no
[12:14] <mxpxpod> man...
[12:15] <seb128> all the GNOME libs have an ABI compatibility
[12:15] <mxpxpod> this makes no freaking sense
[12:17] <seb128> google about the error, just tried that and there is a bunch of responses
[12:17] <mxpxpod> ok
[12:18] <seb128> seems to be a toolchain issue
[12:18] <mxpxpod> which means...
[12:19] <seb128> build issue
[12:19] <seb128> fPIC code
[12:20] <mxpxpod> seb128: any clue how to fix it?
[12:21] <seb128> nop
[12:21] <mxpxpod> wonder if jbailey would know...
[12:21] <seb128> could be a gcc or libc issue
[12:21] <seb128> yep, he's probably the right guy to ask about this
[12:22] <mxpxpod> and he just happens to be gone...
[12:23] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, could you try something for me really quick? could you add a workspace switcher to a panel and then open its preferences?
[12:25] <seb128> and ... ?
[12:25] <mxpxpod> do you get a warning message?
[12:26] <seb128> no
[12:26] <mxpxpod> suck
[12:26] <seb128> what does it say?
[12:26] <mxpxpod> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_84/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value
[12:26] <mxpxpod> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_84/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value
[12:26] <mxpxpod> now, here's something really strange
[12:27] <mxpxpod> if I pkill the panel, the preferences work fine
[12:30] <mxpxpod> it looks like the defaults aren't getting written correctly (not sure if that's just here or what)
[12:30] <seb128> it's a GNOME dialog with this message?
[12:31] <mxpxpod> I'll get you a SS
[12:32] <mxpxpod> seb128: http://www.reigndropsfall.net/images/Screenshot-Error.png
[12:33] <pablo_> mdke thanks, I added a comment to the bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12188 :
[12:33] <pablo_> :)
[12:34] <seb128> mxpxpod: weird
[12:34] <mxpxpod> seb128: yeah, very
[12:34] <mxpxpod> check this out
[12:34] <mdke> pablo_, good stuff :)
[12:35] <mxpxpod> there's no display_all_workspaces key in gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs doesn't exist
[12:35] <mxpxpod> s/doesn't exist/
[12:35] <mxpxpod> s/doesn't exist//
[12:35] <mxpxpod> man, I can't type today
[12:35] <pablo_> hmm when I'm trying to change the cursor, it's not changing :/ (/etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme) at hoary it changes, at breeze it's not doing that :/ somebody with the same problem?
[12:35] <xhaker> its broken
[12:36] <pablo_> xhaker for me?
[12:36] <xhaker> for everybody
[12:36] <seb128> not for me
[12:36] <pablo_> I mean if you have talked to me :)
[12:36] <pablo_> seb128 you're cool =P
[12:36] <mxpxpod> seb128: was that for me?
[12:36] <pablo_> jajaja
[12:36] <pablo_> :)
[12:37] <xhaker> pablo_, it is broken in breezy
[12:37] <xhaker> it happened in hoary devel times too
[12:38] <seb128> mxpxpod: nop, for the cursors
[12:38] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, just making sure
[12:39] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, so for some reason the defaults aren't getting written right for these keys
[12:39] <pablo_> xhaker Ok, I remember
[12:39] <seb128> mxpxpod: do you have a /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/%gconf.xml ?
[12:39] <mxpxpod> seb128: yes
[12:39] <seb128> mxpxpod: can you put it somewhere?
[12:41] <mxpxpod> seb128: yeah
[12:42] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, I was wrong... it is getting written
[12:43] <mxpxpod> if I open up gconf-editor and go to that key, it tells me this:
[12:43] <mxpxpod> Type mismatch: Expected `UNKNOWN, 5' got `Boolean' for key /schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces
[12:44] <seb128> your wnck seems to have issues
[12:44] <mxpxpod> you're telling me
[12:45] <seb128> is that with your rebuild of the package?
[12:45] <mxpxpod> it's getting kind of old ;)
[12:45] <mxpxpod> seb128: yeah
[12:48] <xhaker> Akira Haraguchi, 59, managed to recite the number's first 83,431 decimal places, almost doubling the previous record held by another Japanese.
[12:49] <mxpxpod> seb128: do you have _any_ idea what would be causing all of this chaos?
[12:49] <xhaker> he memorised the PI
[12:49] <seb128> mxpxpod: nop
[12:49] <mxpxpod> argh
[12:50] <seb128> mxpxpod: do you have the issue only with wnck?
[12:50] <mxpxpod> yeah
[12:50] <mxpxpod> all the other applets work fine
[12:50] <seb128> I've uploaded a new version today
[12:50] <seb128> maybe it's going to fix the issue
[12:51] <mxpxpod> seb128: what changed?
[12:52] <seb128> wnck? not a lot
[12:52] <seb128> but maybe a rebuild will fix your issue
[12:52] <mxpxpod> :)
[12:53] <mxpxpod> seb128: thanks for the help... hopefully this helps :)
[12:57] <Burgundavia> seb128, did eog 2.11 fix --> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8742
[12:58] <seb128> nop
[12:58] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:58] <seb128> you can probably bug that upstream
[01:01] <wasabi_> We need 128bit uids
[01:18] <lifeless> when does upstream version freeze occur ?
[01:21] <Burgundavia> july 7th
[01:21] <HiddenWolf> Heh, and hopefully, bugs will start dying in droves after that. :)
[01:28] <mdke> i wanna see some hard core backports for july th
[01:28] <mdke> 8th
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> man, i was like , i wanna see some hard core
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> and from there your sentance wasnt funny anymore
[01:54] <mdke> ok i'll rephrase
[01:54] <mdke> s/backports for july 8th/_
[01:55] <pablo_> hi guys :) how can I determinate a default background color for nautilus? Thanks :)
[01:56] <mdke> pablo_, you can ask questions in #ubuntu
[01:56] <mdke> they will help!
[01:58] <pablo_> mdke hihi thanks :)
[02:04] <pablo_> mdke of, that was a simple gconf set on apps/nautilus :P
[02:04] <mdke> pablo_, ok good. its also in the nautilus menu btw
[02:05] <mdke> either is good
[02:05] <pablo_> mdke yep, but it doesn't apply to all windows, so you open a folder and that windows older have the default :)
[02:06] <mdke> it works for me
[02:06] <pablo_> so on  gconf  I clicked background_set :)
[02:06] <pablo_> in that way works for all windows :)
[02:06] <mdke> the menu also works for all windows here
[02:06] <mdke> maybe investigate and file a bug if it doesn't work on yours
[02:07] <pablo_> 'cause is probably that you have on apps/nautilus/preferences/background_set on :)
[02:07] <pablo_> 'clicked' :$
[02:07] <mdke> nope
[02:07] <pablo_> oops :/
[02:08] <pablo_> mdke when I change the background with the 'Backgrounds and Em...' it only changes for that window :/
[02:08] <pablo_> the only way for me is gconf :(
[02:09] <mdke> the menu method should handle those gconf things for you
[02:09] <pablo_> mdke I don't want to record a video with gvidcap ;)
[02:09] <pablo_> so believe me :$
[02:09] <pablo_> jeje :P
[02:10] <mdke> i didn't suggest that I didn't believe you
[02:10] <pablo_> well, now it works for that I want #525252 color :)
[02:15] <pablo_> Build-dependencies for evolution could not be satisfied. =P
[02:27] <pablo_> libgtkhtml3.8-dev: Depends: libgtkhtml3.8-15 (= 3.7.2-0ubuntu1) but 3.7.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed :o
[04:31] <lamont> coreutils and procps both deliver /usr/share/man/man1/kill.1.gz
[04:31] <lamont> GAH
[04:39] <jdub> lamont: guess you'll be wanting to kill that
[04:39] <jdub> ;-)
[04:51] <calc> anyone managed to get a laptop running amd64 arch to wake up from sleep?
[04:51] <calc> mine now goes to sleep properly (it seems) with 2.6.12 but i can't the screen to come back
[04:52] <calc> vbetool doesn't seem to work either saying it can't do a real mode interrupt
[04:52] <calc> and its not even normally on the amd64 arch i extracted it since the scripts seemed to use it from i386 arch
[04:53] <punkrockguy318> on hoary?
[04:53] <punkrockguy318> or breezy?
[04:53] <calc> breezy
[04:53] <pablo_> breezy <
[04:54] <daniels> vbetool can't do real mode stuff on amd64, regardless of which packages you install
[04:55] <calc> daniels: yea i figured that after reading the error it gave me
[04:55] <calc> so is there a way to bring back video on amd64?
[05:00] <punkrockguy318> Where might I contribute my bugs and suggestions to the breezy colony 2? bugzilla?
[05:01] <daniels> calc: right now, no
[05:02] <pablo_> bugs bugzilla :)
[05:02] <pablo_> suggestions I think mailing list
[05:02] <punkrockguy318> alright, i posted my suggestions on the mailing list earlier today
[05:03] <punkrockguy318> breezy is actually much more stable than i anticipated
[05:06] <calc> daniels: ok
[05:06] <calc> btw xlibs-data libx11-6 upgrade from hoary->breezy as of earlier today still is broken
[05:07] <calc> i reinstalled ubuntu on my laptop to play with wpa and acpi and noticed that problem
[05:07] <calc> purging both and installing them fixed it
[05:07] <daniels> i know
[05:07] <calc> ok
[05:07] <daniels> i haven't been working for a while (did wednesday/thursday in one long stretch, swapped friday for today)
[05:08] <daniels> i'll do my last upgrade tests when I get back from lunch
[05:10] <pablo_> hopefully it works :/
[05:12] <pablo_> wow! on nautilus is applied the patch for viewing as list as an xml style :D
[05:12] <pablo_> cool
[05:12] <pablo_> hihihi
[05:38] <calc> the hoary live cd can come back from S3 but it doesn't set the keyboard back up apparently
[05:38] <calc> i see the X login screen but can't type anything in or switch terminals, so it seems the keyboard is dead
[05:38] <calc> this is on the same amd64 laptop, btw
[05:38] <calc> er hoary i386 live cd (forgot to specify that)
[05:39] <pablo_> libgtkhtml3.8-dev is broken guys now i'm compiling the source of that to get working evo :(
[05:41] <pablo_> I wana evoo :'(
[05:57] <crimsun> does #kubuntu also follow the same guidelines as #ubuntu regarding CoC?
[05:57] <crimsun> (or should I be inquiring in #kubuntu-devel?)
[05:57] <schweeb> crimsun: probably
[05:58] <crimsun> (sometimes it's difficult to keep things on-topic)
[09:32] <fabbione> hmm
[09:32] <fabbione> what's wrong with:
[09:32] <fabbione> next if (! /^foo/ ) || (! /^bar/ );
[09:32] <fabbione> if i use only foo it's ok
[09:33] <daniels> put parentheses around the whole thing?
[09:33] <fabbione> if i add bar it filters a but too much
[09:33] <fabbione> next if ((! /^foo/ ) || (! /^bar/ )); ?
[09:33] <daniels> next if ((!/^foo/) || (!/^bar/));
[09:33] <daniels> right, might be worth a go
[09:33] <daniels> hold on, that will always trigger
[09:33] <daniels> you can't have something that's ^foo *and* ^bar
[09:33] <daniels> so that's the same as next if (1)
[09:34] <fabbione> daniels: there is no such case
[09:34] <fabbione> given a list of something
[09:34] <daniels> well, think about it
[09:34] <fabbione> the first word in the list indicates a category
[09:34] <fabbione> that can be foo bar baz
[09:34] <daniels> if you have three lines, foo, bar and baz
[09:34] <daniels> !^/bar/ will trigger on foo
[09:34] <fabbione> and i want to get only foo and bar
[09:35] <daniels> !/^foo/ will trigger on bar
[09:35] <fabbione> ah right
[09:35] <daniels> and both will trigger on baz
[09:35] <fabbione> needs to be &&
[09:35] <daniels> that would probably be more useful
[09:37] <fabbione> much better :)
[10:30] <fabbione> hey mdz
[10:30] <fabbione> hey JaneW
[10:39] <JaneW> hey fabbione
[10:43] <sivang> hey all
[10:47] <mdz> fabbione: morning
[10:53] <mjg59> mdz: Did you get my email?
[10:53] <mdz> mjg59: I did, thanks
[10:53] <mdz> mjg59: your list looks fine
[10:53] <mdz> let's go ahead and start contacting folks
[10:54] <mjg59> mdz: Cool
[10:55] <mjg59> I'll sort the shortlist of hardware, then we just need to make sure we have agreement on what the agreement with people is
[10:55] <mdz> mjg59: can you draft something for the terms and conditions in the wiki?
[10:55] <mjg59> Yup, no problem
[10:55] <mjg59> I'm moving house today and tomorrow, so this may end up being Tuesday
[10:56] <mdz> mjg59: still in cambridge, or elsewhere?
[10:57] <mjg59> Cambridge
[10:58] <mjg59> Moving in with Daf
[10:58] <mjg59> We can't get a phoneline for 3 weeks, so the internet situation may be... interesting
[10:58] <ivoks> vedran: name sounds somewhat slavic...
[10:59] <vedran> ivoks: yup :)
[10:59] <vedran> whois vedran: blahblahblah.ba
[10:59] <ivoks> vedran: pa sta ima u bosni? :)
[10:59] <vedran> ma nista vala, ruzno vrijeme
[11:00] <vedran> kisa pada, poplave itd.
[11:00] <ivoks> ok, english on...
[11:00] <vedran> np
[12:16] <Kamion> mdz: hi, what was up yesterday?
[12:17] <Kamion> lamont: fixing your coreutils thing now
[12:17] <Kamion> lamont: it's #314713
[12:23] <Kamion> lamont: (actually, not fixing right now, it's using dbs' dpkg-arch.mk - I'll see if/how I can get that changed first)
[12:56] <dholbach> hi, could somebody trigger a rebuild of libxml-writer-perl? somehow ./usr/share/perl5/XML/Writer.pm wasn't contained. a rebuild in pbuilder fixed it.
[12:56] <dholbach> shall i upload with build1 suffix?
[01:08] <pitti> Nice Sunday everybody!
[01:10] <dholbach> leaving again?
[01:10] <dholbach> have a nice sunday too, pitti :)
[01:10] <pitti> dholbach: well, in ~ 45 minutes
[01:11] <pitti> just some email reading
[01:11] <dholbach> how's the weather at your place? going out today?
[01:12] <\sh> *rearrangesomewikipagesnow
[01:13] <pitti> dholbach: it's just great, gf+me will take our bikes and go to my parent's garden (celebrating my mother's birthday)
[01:13] <dholbach> oh nice
[01:13] <dholbach> garden party with grilling outside? :)
[01:14] <pitti> yep :-)
[01:14] <dholbach> EXCELLENT
[01:14] <dholbach> much better than exam revision :)
[01:14] <dholbach> i won't spoil your sunday - have fun! :)
[01:14] <daniels> dholbach: yo dude
[01:14] <dholbach> hey daniels, how's it going?
[01:15] <\sh> dholbach: one beer in the evening will do it, to make your day ;)
[01:16] <pitti> daniels: you have to revise other student's exams?
[01:16] <dholbach> pitti: erm, i have to review my stuff to be prepared on friday (last exam) :)
[01:16] <pitti> dholbach: oh, I see *crossing fingers*
[01:17] <dholbach> pitti: thanks :)
[01:17] <ajmitch> dholbach: good luck :)
[01:17] <dholbach> \sh: yeah, i'm going to watch the oscar wilde movie tonight - i wanted to see it for ages
[01:17] <daniels> dholbach: not too bad, thanks
[01:17] <daniels> pitti: ...
[01:17] <dholbach> ivoks: hey ante!
[01:18] <ivoks> dholbach: hi!
[01:18] <ivoks> i'm having some problems with eclipse :(
[01:18] <\sh> dholbach: actually I wanted to go to the parade today, but my head is paining too much today, just because yesterday we had a nice day ,-)
[01:19] <dholbach> ivoks: i tried to install it, but it didn't work yet - you might want to ask wasabi_ - he's the java/eclipse/... expert :)
[01:19] <ivoks> hi \sh
[01:19] <ivoks> heh, guess he isn't here
[01:19] <ivoks> dholbach: for me it doesn't even start :(
[01:19] <dholbach> \sh: go for a *slow* walk then, have some water :)
[01:20] <ivoks> \sh: so, what were you doing yesterday? :>
[01:20] <doko> ivoks: install eclipse-sdk as a workaround
[01:21] <ivoks> hm... thanks doko
[01:21] <dholbach> hey doko
[01:21] <dholbach> doko: how's it going?
[01:21] <\sh> ivoks: bought a washing machine :) and had some drinks at the cologne pride, made some nice contacts there, and had a very interessting outing ;)
[01:22] <ivoks> oh, what's cologne pride?
[01:22] <dholbach> sounds like a "headache next day" :)
[01:23] <ivoks> :))
[01:24] <\sh> ivoks: it's a gay and lesbian party, just before the CSD parade today. CSD== Christopher Street Day, a happening where gays/lesbians/bisexual people are celebrating a party and demonstrating for their legal rights in the community
[01:24] <ivoks> ah, it's called gay pride in zagreb :)
[01:26] <\sh> was quite nice, i went there with two colleagues, he is muslim, and she likes girls :) and she knew about my situation, and he wasn't quite sure what to think and how to handle it but now he understands and is respects our way of life :)
[01:27] <mdke> fabbione, around?
[01:28] <ivoks> \sh: well, everybody lives in the way he/she chooses
[01:28] <ivoks> at least, it should be that way
[01:28] <JanC> IIRC there is an event/parade like that called "Roze Zaterdag" ("Pink Saturday") in Belgium  ;-)
[01:30] <mdke> 12344
[01:30] <mdke> whoops sorry wrong paste
[01:31] <\sh> JanC: looks like the same event ;-)
[01:31] <lool> (Gay Pride in Paris too)
[01:33] <daniels> mardi gras in australia
[01:33] <JanC> it has a new name now, it seems: http://www.blgp.be/en/
[01:33] <\sh> #ubuntu-gblp ,-)
[01:34] <lool> daniels: mouahaha
[01:35] <\sh> what's the email address of chmj
[01:38] <dholbach> Charles Majola <charles at ubuntu.com>
[01:38] <\sh> thx
[01:40] <pitti> sjoerd: just uploading pmount 0.9.2-1 to experimental :-)
[01:42] <sjoerd> pitti: \o/
[01:42] <sjoerd> pitti: still haven't got a reaction from the cryptsetup maintainer :(
[01:42] <pitti> me neither
[01:43] <pitti> ok, have a nice Sunday
[01:50] <dholbach> \sh: FinishedUniverseLibraries is a complete list?
[01:58] <\sh> dholbach: not now...I just figuring out what is finished and what not
[01:58] <\sh> takes some time
[01:59] <dholbach> ok
[02:11] <dholbach> hey seb128 :)
[02:12] <seb128> hi dholbach
[02:32] <fabbione> mdke: now... but not for long time
[02:34] <seb128> elmo: glib2.0 (exp) sync please
[02:35] <fabbione> seb128: you are supposed to be watching F1 :)
[02:35] <fabbione> seb128; they are running in france today ;)
[02:36] <seb128> fabbione: yeah, I'm watching the TV while working :p
[02:36] <dholbach> fabbione: F1 needs no concentration at all - you can hack/whatever while watching it
[02:36] <fabbione> seb128: eheheh
[02:36] <fabbione> dholbach: i prefer to relax and watch F1 :)
[02:37] <fabbione> IRC and www.formula1.com are the 2 only things around at this time
[02:37] <dholbach> fabbione: F1 and relaxing just don't fit together... at least not for me :)
[02:39] <fabbione> dholbach: probably because you are a decade younger than me .. and didn't watch much of Senna/Prost/Mansel fights
[02:39] <fabbione> this F1 is boring compared
[02:39] <HiddenWolf> it is
[02:40] <HiddenWolf> and you should all be spanked for being OT ;)
[02:40] <mdke> fabbione, i just wanted to clarify a bit #12344 which I reopened just now, if you're happy, then no need, otherwise, I can try and clarify
[02:40] <fabbione> a second... i don't have buzilla handy here
[02:41] <dholbach> fabbione: once i'm not chained to the computer anymore, i'll be happy to let you try to explain the fascination to me :)
[02:41] <fabbione> dholbach: eheh
[02:41] <mdke> i prefer motogp to f1 i have to say
[02:50] <fabbione> mdke: the RADIO16.BIN that you have on warty2hoary partition is the same as the one in the brand new hoary installation?
[02:50] <fabbione> check the md5sum of them
[02:50] <fabbione> if they are not the same i would suggest you get the file from the other partition
[02:50] <fabbione> that's all i can suggest
[02:50] <fabbione> the driver in the kernel is the same
[02:51] <mdke> fabbione, sure. But the main part of the bug is the fact that the firmware is not shipped with Ubuntu
[02:51] <fabbione> mdke: dude.. you open a bug with a firware that doesn't load...
[02:51] <fabbione> now it's turning in the firmware is missing..
[02:51] <fabbione> it's one bug per problem
[02:51] <fabbione> not 2 problems in one bug...
[02:51] <mdke> ok
[02:51] <fabbione> in any case the firmware won't be added to hoary
[02:51] <mdke> ignore the comment then, the report shows clearly that the firmware is missing
[02:52] <fabbione> ok
[02:52] <fabbione> mdke: please reassign the bug to linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10
[02:52] <mdke> fabbione, sure ok
[02:52] <fabbione> thanks
[02:54] <mdke> fabbione, is it normal that linux-restricted-modules was installed automatically by the installer?
[02:54] <Kamion> yes
[02:54] <mdke> k cool
[02:54] <Kamion> normal and intentional
[02:54] <mdke> yes I appreciated it
[02:54] <mdke> :)
[02:57] <fabbione> hey Kamion
[03:02] <fabbione> hey lamont
[03:02] <fabbione> lamont: the gnome-alsamixer mismatch seems to be caused by the pkg being moved to universe... but wanna-build doesn't realise that
[03:03] <lamont> fabbione: because it's UNKNOWN == main.  iz override file fix that elmo needs to do.
[03:04] <dholbach> hey lamont: do we have to bug you in some weeks for a BIG TEST REBUILD? :)
[03:05] <fabbione> lamont: right
[03:05] <xhaker> hmmm, how come the new gnome-icon-theme has the real firefox logo?
[03:07] <HiddenWolf> xhaker, guess they cleared that with the moz foundation
[03:08] <fabbione> dholbach: afaik they are working on it... it's going to be fun to fix 39483943 FTBFS
[03:08] <fabbione> dholbach: and there are pleny
[03:08] <fabbione> plenty even
[03:08] <fabbione> between gcc-4.0 and X split
[03:08] <dholbach> fabbione: yeah... but that'll be 5-6 weeks before release, right?
[03:09] <fabbione> dholbach: i truely hope a bit before that
[03:09] <fabbione> and that it will run constantly on all the archive
[03:09] <dholbach> it should be (some time) after mergingShouldBeCompleteFreeze
[03:09] <dholbach> fabbione: then i'll do everything i can to help out (when i finished thesis/exam/move)
[03:10] <fabbione> dholbach: i have seen a huge bunch of FTBFS in universe due to X split
[03:10] <\sh> grmpf...somethings goes terrible wrong with quantlib...too much of love
[03:10] <dholbach> yeah
[03:10] <fabbione> it's not difficult to fix.. just extremely boring
[03:10] <dholbach> that'll be fun
[03:10] <dholbach> yeah, we'll manage
[03:10] <fabbione> yeah
[03:11] <dholbach> the last weeks before the release will be the "MOTU weeks" :)
[03:11] <\sh> dholbach: enlish work for "fleissarbeit"? ,-)
[03:11] <dholbach> \sh: yeah, lots of motu hopefuls can prove themselves
[03:11] <\sh> yepp
[03:14] <\sh> no wonder why quantlib is not building properly....DH_VERBOSE=1 should always be enabled
[03:14] <fabbione> jamesh: eh?
[03:14] <fabbione> not at all
[03:14] <fabbione> DH_VERBOSE is optional
[03:14] <fabbione> \sh ^
[03:14] <\sh> yeah, but helped me
[03:15] <fabbione> it does help to track down possible errors
[03:15] <fabbione> not to build the package itself
[03:15] <\sh> fabbione: yeah...but without it now, i didn't see the compile errors :(
[03:15] <\sh> now i have them :(
[03:16] <\sh> and for gods sake there is a patch in b.d.o
[03:17] <\sh> so i don't have to work on this ;)
[03:19] <dholbach> hey ogra
[03:19] <\sh> www.the-tower.co.uk -> search for prisoners: ogra ,-)
[03:19] <ogra> hehe
[03:20] <ogra> still locked in the hotel ;)
[03:26] <\sh> and no..this  isnot nice...they're playing the german national anthem in kerpen sindorf
[03:27] <ezequiel> hi ppl
[03:27] <ezequiel> isn't there any qt4 build for ubuntu?
[03:27] <\sh> no not right now
[03:28] <dholbach> hi ezequiel, this is more a  #ubuntu -question, but packages.ubuntu.com should be able to tell you
[03:30] <ezequiel> yup, but not a #ubuntu answer ;)
[03:30] <loo> 1/j #ubuntu
[03:31] <ezequiel> sorry, I asked @ #kubuntu
[03:32] <\sh> ezequiel: lets say it like this: qt4 is not important right now, without kde4 in our eyes...and lets wait for some more bugfix releases...
[03:35] <ezequiel> \sh: well, it does matter to me, 'cause I was just to begin developming a qt application and I don't want to port it later
[03:36] <ezequiel> \sh: btw, have you read about the plasma
[03:36] <ezequiel> ?
[03:38] <Kamion> \sh: DH_VERBOSE=1 should generally be set by the person building the package in the environment, not hardcoded in debian/rules
[03:41] <\sh> Kamion: yeah..but this stupid package didn't show me any build errors, it just went on to installing ...:(
[03:42] <wm_eddie> ezequiel: I think it'd be easier to write it in Qt3 now and port it to Qt4 later.
[03:42] <ezequiel> wm_eddie: I hate porting, I'm too slow
[03:43] <ezequiel> wm_eddie: even if I does not know the differences yet
[03:43] <wm_eddie> well, looks like you are going to have to get qt4 from trolltech and install it yourself.
[03:43] <ezequiel> I just got some debian packages
[03:44] <\sh> ezequiel: yes I read aarons announcement
[03:44] <wm_eddie> that works.
[03:44] <wm_eddie> hopefully that wont break anything.
[03:45] <ezequiel> I'm gonna fill the deps with breezy and prays
[03:47] <ezequiel> the past week a friend asked me if he could install windows in his mac...
[03:47] <ezequiel> that would be a problem...
[03:48] <wm_eddie> ezequiel: Virtual PC.
[03:48] <wm_eddie> unless he meant as the main OS.
[03:48] <ezequiel> as main os he asked, he has no idea about virtualpc or whatever
[03:48] <wm_eddie> He can install Ubuntu :)
[03:49] <ezequiel> yup, I gave him a hoary cd
[03:49] <ezequiel> hope he wants to test it
[03:58] <dholbach> bye guys, see you later
[04:07] <davyd> daniels: has that X.org upload happened yet?
[04:08] <tseng> davyd: no
[04:09] <davyd> ooher, whatever update I got the other day now gives me an iPod logo
[04:09] <tseng> indeed
[04:09] <davyd> rocking
[04:10] <davyd> although, it has decided to mount the media somewhere new
[04:10] <davyd> is there a non-shit iPod application that will find out where my iPod is for me?
[04:10] <tseng> hey the last applets seb uploaded it says i can change governer in battstat
[04:10] <davyd> tseng: if you've built that part
[04:10] <tseng> davyd: snorp is working on that
[04:10] <tseng> and abock, lewing
[04:10] <davyd> excellent
[04:10] <davyd> gtkpod is... average
[04:11] <tseng> also, the next g-v-m has an ipod target
[04:11] <davyd> and I wasn't feeling like attempting it myself
[04:11] <tseng> davyd: the muine plugin rocks
[04:11] <tseng> davyd: just now that it uses hal.. it doesnt work on breezy yet :)
[04:11] <davyd> tseng: I haven't tried that
[04:11] <davyd> tseng: oh, because of new HAL?
[04:11] <tseng> ya
[04:12] <tseng> they are working on that also
[04:12] <tseng> i dont see why we wont have it by breezy release
[04:12] <davyd> new HAL was ok to port to
[04:12] <davyd> once I got new documentation
[04:12] <tseng> yeah but they are all NLD/SuSE lamers
[04:12] <davyd> I started porting gnome-netstatus to HAL
[04:14] <davyd> unfortunately, this job has eaten up a lot of my holiday time
[04:19] <davyd> I see it also sends an eject to the iPod to make it 'tick' ok
[04:19] <davyd> and doesn't send HAL into the D-state
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> shouldnt gcc for ubuntu be able to do ./configure --target=athlon_xp --cc="gcc -m32" --as="as --32" --with-extralibdir=/usr/lib32/ ?
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> mplayer source
[04:22] <tseng> davyd: last i tried that the eject failed
[04:23] <davyd> tseng: hmm, my breezy is a little out of date on this machine
[04:32] <mdke> I'm just upgrading to hoary, linux-restricted-modules-386 and ubuntu-desktop are kept back from a dist-upgrade, is this intentional?
[04:32] <mdke> gah
[04:32] <mdke> s/hoary/breezy
[04:38] <Kamion> there's no l-r-m for 2.6.12 yet
[04:38] <mdke> cool thanks Kamion
[04:38] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop is odd, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html doesn't show it as uninstallable
[04:39] <Kamion> but it may just be confused by the X modularisation; last time I did a hoary->breezy upgrade I had to help it out a fair bit
[04:39] <mdke> yeah right now it is having some xlibs-data conflict issues
[04:39] <davyd> the biggest thing about distro hacking, seems to be the number of times you are doing upgrades and other stuff
[04:39] <davyd> it seems to incredibly painful
[04:39] <davyd> anyway, time to sleep
[04:39] <mdke> so I'm gonna wait til that if fixed before finishing the upgrade
[04:40] <mdke> if/is
[04:40] <mdke> i figured I could do a nice clean hoary install, then upgrade to see if I could find any new bugs
[04:40] <davyd> mdke: my laptop is booting currently
[04:40] <davyd> so it seems good
[04:40] <davyd> beagle seems broken
[04:40] <Kamion> there's a bug filed about xlibs-data
[04:41] <mdke> Kamion, yeah i saw it
[04:41] <davyd> anyway, sleep
[04:41] <Kamion> you have to dpkg --force-overwrite -i either it or libx11-6 (can't remember which) for the moment
[04:41] <mdke> Kamion, its marked pendingupgrade so I figured it was better to wait rather than do some force-conflicts stuff
[04:42] <wasabi_> Morning
[04:43] <Kamion> --force-overwrite is safe in this context
[04:45] <mdke> Kamion, is there a difference between that and --force-conflicts?
[04:50] <mdke> Kamion, ok i did it and it worked, thanks
[04:52] <Kamion> mdke: er, yes!
[04:52] <Kamion>   overwrite              Overwrite a file from one package with another
[04:52] <Kamion>   conflicts [!]           Allow installation of conflicting packages
[04:52] <Kamion> (dpkg --force-help)
[04:52] <Kamion> WARNING - use of options marked [!]  can seriously damage your installation.
[04:52] <mdke> oops
[04:52] <mdke> i did the [!]  one :p
[04:53] <Kamion> --force-conflicts is for packages tagged with the Conflicts header
[04:53] <mdke> oh well, that was in the bug report
[04:53] <Kamion> which is different from what are often confusingly called "file conflicts"
[04:54] <mdke> ok so am i likely to have seriously damaged my installation?
[04:54] <mdke> having done --force-conflicts -i libx11-6
[04:55] <mdke> if that is dangerous it might be worth noting in the bug report that the workaround posted is wrong
[04:56] <Kamion> no, I imagine not
[04:56] <Kamion> which bug is it? I'll correct it
[04:59] <mdke> Kamion, #12108, thanks
[05:03] <Kamion> corrected
[05:04] <mdke> Kamion, merci. Is there any need for me to undo what I did with the --force-conflicts?
[05:04] <daniels> not really
[05:04] <daniels> it's going to be fixed as soon as I test this fb patch
[05:04] <mdke> daniels, as long as I haven't done my system any harm :)
[05:06] <\sh> hmmm
[05:06] <\sh> is it ok to source upload the package described in: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11456
[05:07] <Kamion> mdke: n
[05:07] <Kamion> no
[05:08] <mdke> great, thanks for your help!
[05:19] <eruin> thom, have you abandoned http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ now that its in breezy main?
[05:22] <mdke> ok the rest of the hoary->breezy seems to have gone really well
[05:23] <mdke> except for some reason each kernel in the grub menu has two entries
[05:27] <hubH> eruin: breezy
[05:41] <lsuactiafner> tseng
[05:41] <lsuactiafner> this software patents vote, why aint the whole of freenode organising things to fight it?
[05:58] <tseng> lsuactiafner: freenode is too busy soliciting donations and killing hub nodes
[06:00] <tseng> lsuactiafner: heh sorry.. did you ping me for something?
[06:18] <tseng> dont do that, im a bad example
[06:18] <Lathiat> heh
[06:48] <Nafallo> maswan: yea, works again :-).
[06:51] <trulux> anyone preparing the marbles for the LSM 2005?
[07:00] <\sh> hmm...evolution with imap is crashing *cry*
[07:14] <\sh> hmmm...
[07:14] <wasabi_> Hmm. Could the X move have messed up vncserver?
[07:16] <wasabi_> Yup, it did.
[07:16] <Burgundavia> fabbione, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46031
[07:19] <\sh> does anybody run evolution on breezy with an imap account?
[07:20] <wasabi_> I do.
[07:20] <\sh> did u have any crashes when u created an imap account?
[07:20] <wasabi_> no
[07:20] <wasabi_> the imap account has been created for many upgrades though
[07:21] <\sh> can u try to create an imap account right now? cause when I tried it many of times now, evolution crashed all the time when I choose imap4 or imap4rev2
[07:22] <wasabi_> Yup, it does.
[07:23] <seb128> it crash on the account selection?
[07:23] <seb128> nothing specific to imap
[07:23] <\sh> i only tried with imap4
[07:23] <\sh> let me try pop3 or something else
[07:23] <wasabi_> yeah, crashes on everything.
[07:23] <\sh> ah and it crashed when I tried to edit an account ... I choosed "nothin" now
[07:31] <\sh> hmmm...gnome is at least completly broken in the moment ;)
[07:42] <seb128> what's broken with GNOME?
[07:42] <seb128> for the account bug, downgrading to the hoary libglib2.0-0 fix the issue according to upstream comments
[07:45] <\sh> no...try to install straw
[07:45] <\sh> python-gnome2-extras doesn't want to install
[07:45] <\sh> gdesklets
[07:45] <\sh> hmmm...w8
[07:46] <\sh> I had my fingers on straw
[07:47] <\sh> strange
[07:50] <\sh> if i install libgda2-3 by hand, then it worked installing straw *reallystrange*
[07:51] <Lathiat> that often happens when say
[07:51] <Lathiat> libgsa2-3 provides: something
[07:51] <Lathiat> straw depends: somethingt
[08:15] <pablo> are you working to fix evo? I've not seen activity on that bug, evo now it's not usable, you can't read email, and the bug is unconfirmed yet :)
[08:16] <pablo> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12188 oh I see seb128's bug
[08:16] <pablo> =)
[08:16] <seb128> no my bug
[08:17] <seb128> I don't have a window box
[08:17] <highvoltage> seb128++
[08:17] <pablo> seb128 I had the same problem with the same version of evo when I build a garnome snapshot
[08:17] <seb128> evo-exchange bug?
[08:17] <pablo> *built
[08:19] <pablo> seb128 obvios ;)
[08:19] <seb128> you should probably go upstream with the bug
[08:19] <pablo> hahah seb128 it's assigned for you :)
[08:19] <pablo> yhmmmm
[08:19] <pablo> uhmm
[08:19] <seb128> I don't know who has a exchange setup to work on this bug
[08:20] <pablo> Jeff Bailey
[08:20] <pablo> sorry seb128 :)
[08:20] <seb128> np
[08:21] <seb128> anyway, I'm away now, bbl
[08:21] <pablo> :)
[08:22] <\sh> but eclipse is running
[08:34] <pablo> for all those want to try evo there's a new version http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/evolution/2.3/evolution-2.3.4.tar.gz
[08:35] <pablo> without the bug I hope :/ so try it =)
[08:35] <ivoks> which bug?
[08:35] <pablo> ivoks, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12188
[08:36] <pablo> that's a genereal bug, 'cause I got it con garnome too, with the same evo version
[08:36] <pablo> general* con=with
[08:36] <pablo> ;)
[08:36] <pablo> sorry brb
[08:36] <ivoks> thanks
[08:45] <wasabi_> doko, what do you think about integrating a update-gcj-classmaps script into gij?
[08:45] <wasabi_> It doesn't belong in Eclipse, and it doesn't belong in j-g-c
[08:45] <wasabi_> It belongs with gcj-dbtool.
[08:51] <daniels> gar debconf
[08:52] <wasabi_> Ooops
[08:52] <wasabi_> Somehow I had meant to put all that in anothe rchannel too.
[09:13] <herzi> seb128_: ping
[09:17] <wasabi_> When ya'll submit Ubuntu patches to Debian, do you tailor them up to remove the changelog entries for ubuntu?
[09:18] <daniels> it seems to be good form
[09:19] <wasabi_> We should get ongoing merge to do something like that. Combine all our entries into one. ;)
[09:19] <seb128> herzi: pong
[09:21] <herzi> seb128: can you tell me why gnome-cc didn't find xcursor-dev while building though it's in build-depends?
[09:21] <siretart> does anyone know about issues with gnomemeeting in hoary against gnomemeeting in sarge?
[09:22] <herzi> s/can you tell/do you know/
[09:22] <siretart> s/sarge/unstable/
[09:22] <siretart> I just tried a testcall, but the version from debian keeps crashing
[09:23] <seb128> herzi: maybe the current xorg's changelog?
[09:23] <seb128> herzi: pkg-config files moved to fix ftbfses
[09:27] <pablo> wtf http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/model_view_southwest_8x10-5_RGB-wmark.jpg
[09:27] <pablo> that's so pretty
[09:27] <pablo> the new building on wordl trace center <-
[09:28] <mitsuhiko> pablo: don't like it
[09:28] <Treenaks> world trace center?
[09:28] <mitsuhiko> yes
[09:28] <pablo> Treenaks does sound you september 11?
[09:28] <pablo> :)
[09:28] <Treenaks> pablo: that was the World Trade Center
[09:29] <Treenaks> pablo: the World Trace Center sounds like CIA HQ or something
[09:29] <mitsuhiko> Treenaks: ^^
[09:30] <pablo> http://www.renewnyc.com/News/mediaresources.asp more photos
[09:32] <pablo> somebody knows why appear that wanings? libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../..//libglib-2.0.la' seems to be moved
[09:32] <pablo> thanks :)
[09:35] <wasabi_> haha im a retard
[10:09] <lamont> dholbach: setting up breezy-autotest is an in-progress project
[11:08] <Burgundavia> should the new gnome-panel have the ff official logo?
[11:20] <pablo> how can I adjust the bonobo path setting? I want to build evo myself :/
[11:21] <pablo> /usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server
[11:21] <pablo> thanks
[11:26] <mdke> Burgundavia, yes apparently so
[11:26] <mdke> the gnome icon set has the ff logo now
[11:27] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:54] <pablo> please
[11:54] <pablo> the evo packager! :(
[11:54] <pablo> 2.3.4 version, to use it :(


[07:00] <gsiddardha> Hi, I'm trying to setup orca on ubuntu 12.04 but it keeps giving "at-spi: Got no message at atspi-accessible.c line 674" error. I tried searching on google for some solution and found a discussion on the 1st of April regarding this.
[07:01] <gsiddardha> Is there some solution for this ?