[00:47] <shady> hi there
[19:28] <Syntux> Hi, if I want to test Hardy on Tecra A8 and another A8 test exists, do I have to overwrite the old one (Feisty test) or do I have to create a new wikiname /HardyToshibaTecraA8 ?
[23:19] <firstohit> Hi, I need help with my laptop. I have Panasonic ToughBook T2 and it has the IPW2200 wireless. When I installed Hardy it worked fine. But today when I rebooted I can't see wireless networking, How can I fix it. Thank you for your help
[23:26] <firstohit> hello can somebody help


[00:09] <sedition> anyone have an idea on why an init script would be completely ignoring the packages and runcmd blocks? it sets up my users just fine and then fails to install packages/run commands silently. nothing in the cloud-init-output.log indicates that it even tried
[00:20] <rharper> sedition: /var/log/cloud-init.log should have some info on what got run (it won't have your script output);  but maybe a reason why it couldn't run it;
[13:27] <smoser> sedition, did you find something out on your  ppa thing ?
[13:28] <smoser> the only thing i can come up with is that you did not have networkign at that poign.
[13:29] <smoser> and then as rharper stated, /var/log/cloud-init.log and var/log/cloud-init-output.log probaly have more info
[13:29] <smoser> gholms, it sounds like a unit test bug
[13:40] <davydotcom> morning, trying to use cloud-init on Debian 8.3 image however there a known bug fixed in cloud-init 0.7.7 but apt-get only pulls down 0.7.6, how can i get 0.7.7 is on this version of debian
[14:07] <smoser> davydotcom, https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cloud-init.html
[14:07] <smoser> stable has 0.7.9
[14:07] <smoser> you might be able to just use that package, or build your own for older debian. i'm not aware of any othe rbackported option
[14:08] <davydotcom> smoser: thanks ill try that out
[14:36] <powersj> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1721243 might be worth looking at, he came back with a patch
[14:40] <smoser> powersj, responded
[15:03] <powersj> smoser: any comments on the patch? ;)
[15:05] <smoser> powersj, needs tests
[15:05] <smoser> but  yeah, i do have comments on it.
[15:37] <smoser> gholms, tox-venv py3 python3 -m nose tests/unittests/test_handler/test_handler_ntp.py
[15:37] <smoser> bah
[15:37] <smoser> gholms, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1721573
[15:37] <smoser> and rharper ^ just fyi.
[15:39] <rharper> k
[15:41] <rharper> smoser: huh, schema unit tests
[15:56] <gholms> smoser: Oh, I already filed a bug for that yesterday
[15:56] <gholms> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1721411
[16:02] <blackboxsw> gholms: thanks for the bug, just marked it duplicate to track under  1721573
[16:02] <gholms> Thanks
[16:02] <smoser> thanks gholms sorry for the noise
[16:02] <gholms> No worries.  Thanks for confirming.
[16:28] <sedition> smoser: i solved the ppa issue, now moving on to another script for a different server that's silently eating the runcmd and package block. hoping this morning i can attack it with fresh eyes. thank you for asking!
[16:28] <sedition> great little community
[16:48] <powersj> smoser: We just got a pull request on github
[16:48] <powersj> https://github.com/cloud-init/cloud-init/pull/9
[16:52] <dpb1> heh
[16:52] <dpb1> nice
[16:53] <dpb1> what was our policy there?  close and ask to submit to lp?
[16:53] <dpb1> and sign the cla
[16:53] <dpb1> :)
[16:53] <dpb1> larsks might know him actually
[16:58] <_ix> Good morning friends. Can someone let me in on the secret to versioning from 0.7.9 -> 17.1. How does this match up to EL Repos?
[16:58] <_ix> Running into this specific issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1699282
[16:59] <blackboxsw> hi _ix. EL repos should eventually update to 17.1. It's a recent release versioning decision that we just came too a few weeks ago with cloud-vendors & distro vendors.  More details here FYI https://lists.launchpad.net/cloud-init/msg00106.html
[17:00] <blackboxsw> checking the bug details now
[17:02] <_ix> OK. Thanks very much! I'll check back in just a few minutes.
[17:02] <blackboxsw> _ix have you been able to check our latest cloud-init builds as built in our copr repo? https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/cloud-init-dev/
[17:03] <blackboxsw> repos there have tip  (which will have version 17.1+)
[17:03] <blackboxsw> in which I think we have a fix for puppet config
[18:13] <sather> Question, where do I start debugging when I get 'Failed to start Initial cloud-init job (metadata service crawler)?
[18:14] <sather> nothing 'pops' out when grepping the source code
[18:14] <sather> I ran `cloud-init --debug init`, also nothing popping out as an 'ERROR'
[18:15] <sedition> my script problem was 'sedition is an idiot'
[18:16] <sedition> apt will just silently zombie forever without internet access.
[18:16]  * sedition facedesk
[18:16] <sather> I'm running version: 0.7.5 on centos
[18:28] <_ix> blackboxsw: I'll take a look at that. Thanks!
[19:09] <rharper> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331892
[20:00] <blackboxsw> couple comments rharper
[20:00] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331892
[20:01] <rharper> blackboxsw: well this is the merge, that's already committed upstream; this is into release
[20:01] <rharper> you're right though
[20:03] <blackboxsw> ahh right, right
[20:05] <smoser> blackboxsw, so we need to fix ?
[20:05] <smoser> upstremam ? did you fidn a b ug there ?
[20:06] <blackboxsw> smoser: I think I did find a corner case, "if 0" will never get into that non-bool check to convert it to boolean
[20:06] <rharper> it's best to fix, the network config documents use of strings 'off' and 'on' ; not 0 or 1;  but nothing prevents us from getting such a config
[20:06] <blackboxsw> bridge_stp = iface.get('bridge_stp')
[20:06] <blackboxsw> 57	+        if bridge_stp and type(bridge_stp) != bool:
[20:06] <rharper> blackboxsw: yeah,  I should check if value is not None and type is not bool;
[20:06] <blackboxsw> yeah one liner
[20:07] <smoser> ok. then submit that for merge and then re-submit for package ?
[20:09] <blackboxsw> sure putting it up
[20:18] <smoser> blackboxsw, ok. i'm waiting on an MP with a fix for that bug you found.
[20:19] <smoser> then re-MP from raharper.
[20:20] <blackboxsw> smoser: pushed. writing a proper descriptiojn now
[20:21] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/network-stp-handle-0
[20:23] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331898
[20:25] <smoser> ship it.
[20:26] <smoser> $ tox && git push upstream HEAD
[20:27] <smoser> (that is running here)
[20:27] <blackboxsw> merged
[20:27] <blackboxsw> bah
[20:27] <smoser> you pushed ?
[20:27] <smoser> thats fine
[20:27] <blackboxsw> yeah pushed
[20:27]  * smoser ctrl-c
[20:27] <blackboxsw> heh thx
[20:27] <smoser> ok. now raharper for ubuntu points
[20:27] <smoser> rharper,
[20:38] <rharper> smoser: ok, I'll re MP
[20:39] <smoser> good
[21:20] <rharper> blackboxsw: thanks for spotting that
[21:21] <blackboxsw> better late than never
[21:21] <blackboxsw> thanks for going through the upload gauntlet 50 times
[21:22] <rharper> smosers handy gist is super helpful
[21:22] <blackboxsw> so for our SRU change log to xenial.... does our card need to actually capture all bugs from 0.7.9~233 until tip?
[21:22] <smoser> blackboxsw, it will.
[21:22] <smoser> here.
[21:23] <blackboxsw> thanks, I was going to post-process the changelog into the trello checklist
[21:23] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25682062/
[21:24] <blackboxsw> :( why do people do so much work? :)
[21:24] <smoser> for your reference, what i did:
[21:24] <smoser>  git checkout ubuntu/xenial
[21:24] <smoser>  ./debian/new-upstream-snapshot
[21:24] <smoser> it shows that log in a editor, i copy paste
[21:24] <smoser> say 'n'
[21:24] <smoser> then
[21:25] <smoser> git reset --hard upstream/ubuntu/xenial
[21:25] <blackboxsw> placing an bash alias function for that in my env
[21:40] <htaccess> what is the process for newer cloud-inits getting added to a distro?
[21:41] <htaccess> ie can i expect to see 17.1 in xenial cloud images?
[21:45] <rharper> htaccess: for Ubuntu, the process is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates;  and yes you can expect 17.1 to come to xenial;
[21:46] <blackboxsw> htaccess: we are working on uploading an SRU today/tomorrow to xenial at which point we need to go through verification on the related bugs. I'd expect 1-2 weeks on when you will see 17.1 in xenial. folks can correct me if that's too optimistic
[21:47] <htaccess> thanks!
[22:18] <blackboxsw> well just wrote a dumb script for trello SRU checklists from debian changelog
[22:18] <blackboxsw> heh for next time on SRU check http://paste.ubuntu.com/25682341/
[22:18] <blackboxsw> yields http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25682350/
[22:20] <blackboxsw> looks like 13 bugs to verify instead of 7 for xenial I think'


[12:23] <Jester45> lol
[12:23] <Jester45> owned
[12:23] <maxamillion> communist_pope: still about choice ... i run Xubuntu on an Athlon64 X2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, nvidia 7900gtx
[12:23] <maxamillion> communist_pope: and i have dual 21"HD widescreen monitors
[12:23] <kalikiana> communist_pope, I am running xubuntu egdy on PIV,1G RAM,ATI 9800Pro 128MB ;)
[12:23] <maxamillion> (that's my work machine btw, i can't afford that kind of hardware)
[12:23] <communist_pope> maxamillion: it seems like it doesnt have enough resolution, if you get what i mean
[12:24] <Jester45> thentry
[12:24] <maxamillion> communist_pope: resolution?
[12:24] <Jester45> communist_pope: its true you dont know much... ff resizes the image
[12:24] <kalikiana> maxamillion, If that were your personal hardware I would have had to kill you :P
[12:24] <communist_pope> maxamillion: like it looks like a too much enlarged digi photo, but the whole system
[12:24] <maxamillion> communist_pope: i am running dual monitors each at 1680x1050
[12:25] <communist_pope> I was using it on a old laptop
[12:25] <maxamillion> communist_pope: not at all ....
[12:25] <Jester45> try
[12:25] <maxamillion> communist_pope: here is a screenshot of my home machine ... http://www.swooh.com/~adam/homeXubuntuEdgy.png
[12:25] <Jester45> mysite/heart.html
[12:26] <maxamillion> communist_pope: here is my work machine (with my old monitors and running beryl, my new monitors run at much higher resolution) .. http://www.swooh.com/~adam/berylGears.png
[12:26] <communist_pope> It seems my laptop has more resolution than the newer crt
[12:26] <Jester45> maxamillion: i dont like your desktop
[12:27] <maxamillion> Jester45: which one?
[12:27] <Jester45> i got 2400x somthing
[12:27] <Jester45> first one
[12:27] <maxamillion> Jester45: why not?
[12:28] <maxamillion> Jester45: that's my home machine ... only have a 19" widescreen ... wish i could afford dual at home, but i'm broke ... even had to ask for that monitor for x-mas, i had a 15-inch before that
[12:29] <maxamillion> Jester45: what don't you like about it?
[12:29] <Sharn> Hmmm...
[12:30] <Sharn> Jester45, you put your site down. xD
[12:30] <Sharn> Nevermind
[12:30] <Sharn> I've used that template before, ROFL
[12:31] <Sharn> You took the copyrights off it. xD
[12:31] <maxamillion> -.-;
[12:38] <Sharn> Everyone's leaving. ;(
[12:39] <irvin> heh
[12:41] <Sharn> Jester45: Why not just install LAMP? That'll give you PHP
[12:41] <irvin> Sharn, what's up?
[12:41] <Sharn> Nothing. :O
[12:44] <Sharn> Nevermind.. I thought it was an easy all-in-one install and work thing.
[12:50] <rahmetli> is there an easy way of adding app. icons to the panel?
[12:50] <Cybane> Hello all
[12:53] <kalikiana> hi, cybane :)
[12:53] <Sharn> rahmetli: Not that I've found, unfortunately.
[12:53] <Sharn> And hello Cybane
[12:53] <kalikiana> rahmetli, just right-click the panel and add a launcher?
[12:54] <kalikiana> rahmetli, or use the application finder and drag an icon
[12:54] <rahmetli> second seems to be easier.
[12:54] <Cybane> Anyone know what port what the touchpad communicated on for iBook G4?
[12:57] <Sharn> Jester45: You still looking into PHP?
[12:57] <rahmetli> i cant drag an icon :(
[12:57] <Sharn> I know, tht's annoying, huh?
[12:59] <kalikiana> rahmetli, Drag it into the 'new launcher' window :)
[12:59] <kalikiana> I guess it's not intuitive at all *fg
[01:00] <rahmetli> i got it
[01:01] <Cybane> Is there a point to use Xubuntu over Ubuntu if you are just going to use FVWM anyway?
[01:02] <kalikiana> Cybane, That's a weird question. I suppose using the server install would be more reasonable.
[01:02] <rahmetli> i can use kde programs,can i?
[01:03] <kalikiana> rahmetli, if you don't mind the overhead, yes
[01:06] <rahmetli> so i can run knemo?
[01:08] <kalikiana> rahmetli, I suppose you can, I don't know that one. Only had Opera for a while.
[01:08] <irvin> rahmetli, you can use an alternative tho
[01:09] <Cybane> From what I understood the only difference between the two is a different X11 WM
[01:09] <Cybane> I was wondering if there were any other major differences like packages that do not get installed
[01:15] <rahmetli> thank you all for the help.i will be here again if i have questions :)
[01:15] <rahmetli> c u
[01:19] <gunny01> I'm having problems with synaptic: none of the packages are displaying, and I'm not sure how to get them back. Screenshot: http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=392454518&size=o
[01:22] <ephemeros> gunny01: make a search
[01:22] <Sharn> gunny01: you may have erased your sources.list
[01:22] <Sharn> Actually, lemme check the screenie.
[01:22] <Sharn> Yeah - that's what it looks like.
[01:23] <Sharn> !sources.list
[01:23] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[01:26] <gunny01> How do I get it back?
[01:29] <gunny01> is there anywhere i can get a copy?
[01:30] <kalikiana> !EasySource | gunny01
[01:30] <ubotu> gunny01: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:33] <Jester45> no
[01:34] <Jester45> oops
[01:35] <Jester45> Sharn: im not looking for php
[01:36] <gunny01> kalikiana: where do I put my new sources.list
[01:37] <Jester45> its /etc/apt/ i think
[01:38] <kalikiana> yep, /etc/apt/sources.list it is, gunny01 :)
[01:42] <gunny01> just refreshing synaptic: hopefully it'll work
[01:44] <gunny01> Umm...it didn't work/
[01:44] <Jester45> try
[01:44] <Jester45> in a terminal sudo apt-get reload
[01:45] <Jester45> you have to close synaptic first
[01:47] <gunny01> Got an error: tom@bt-homemade-linux:~$ sudo apt-get reload
[01:47] <gunny01> E: Invalid operation reload
[01:47] <Jester45> oops
[01:47] <Jester45> your above words messed me up
[01:47] <Jester45> its update
[01:47] <Jester45> dont know how i got mixed up
[01:52] <gunny01> no good.
[01:54] <irvin> gunny01, what's the problem?
[01:55] <gunny01> I'm having problems with synaptic: none of the packages are displaying, and I'm not sure how to get them back. Screenshot: http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=392454518&size=o
[01:55] <Sharn> sudo apt-get update
[01:56] <Sharn> Doesn't do it?
[01:56] <gunny01> Nope
[01:56] <gunny01> I try a commandline apt-get
[01:58] <Sharn> What did you do since it stopped working?
[01:58] <gunny01> What do you mean?
[01:58] <Sharn> And are you sure you put the new sources.list there?
[01:58] <Sharn> What mgiht you have done to break it...
[01:58] <gunny01> Yup.
[01:58] <Sharn> Might*
[01:58] <Jester45> ok well im going
[01:59] <Sharn> Later Jester45
[01:59] <gunny01> No idea: I installed Automatix, but that was ages ago and synaptic just stopped working
[01:59] <Sharn> You haven't messed with ANY files?
[01:59] <Jester45> Sharn: IF CELLO COMES PLelase tell him i said Hello!!!
[01:59] <Sharn> Rofl, mmk
[02:00] <kalikiana> ciao Jeser45 :)
[02:01] <gunny01> Nope
[02:01] <gunny01> Hang on:
[02:01] <gunny01> I got this message after a command apt-get: E: The package virtualbox needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[02:02] <gunny01> Helpful?
[02:03] <irvin> !virtualbox
[02:03] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[02:04] <irvin> do you use that app?
[02:04] <irvin> hey somerville32
[02:04] <somerville32> Hi irvin
[02:05] <irvin> gunny01, do you use virtualbox?
[02:05] <gunny01> irvin: tryed to install it: it didn't work
[02:05] <gunny01> answe above
[02:05] <gunny01> *answer
[02:06] <rmd_> i want to define a custom thunar action to convert .flv to .mpg using ffmpeg.. but i can't quite figure out how to get it to work.  how to i make the output file have a different extention?
[02:08] <PuMpErNiCkEl> You can use dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq [packagename]  to get rid of virtualbox, which seems to be breaking apt.
[02:11] <gunny01> So dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq virtualbox
[02:11] <gunny01> ?
[02:11] <PuMpErNiCkEl> If that's the package name, yes.
[02:11] <gunny01> do it as sudo?
[02:12] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Of course.
[02:21] <gunny01> pumpernickel: got this error: http://pastebin.ca/359754
[02:26] <gunny01> and apt-get and synaptic are still not working
[02:30] <rmd_> i'm trying to setup a custom action that converts flv to mpeg using ffmpeg.. but i cant quite figure out how to configure the action to chnage the file extension to for the output file entry
[02:31] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Wow, that install really was messed up.
[02:31] <gunny01> Talk about it.
[02:32] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Was that supposed to be an Ubuntu package?
[02:32] <PuMpErNiCkEl> If it was, they fail.
[02:33] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Messed up kernel module, messed up groups, messed up initscript...
[02:33] <gunny01> Yup
[02:33] <gunny01> Ouch.
[02:34] <gunny01> Anyway to fix it?
[02:36] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Easily?  Probably not.  I'd file a bug report and get the devs to handle it.
[02:40] <gunny01> PuMpErNiCkEl: what do you mean?
[02:41] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Make the people who produced that messed up package fix it.
[02:45] <gunny01> PuMpErNiCkEl: how?
[02:47] <PuMpErNiCkEl> By filing a bug report.
[02:58] <Cybane> Anyone else have an iBook?
[03:06] <grazie> Cybane: don't get that many Mac users on the channel
[03:06] <Cybane> I figured
[03:06] <Cybane> Just trying to find out a way to mute the start up sound from Open Firmware
[03:07] <grazie> Cybane: Open Firmware interface isn't very friendly is it?
[03:09] <grazie> Cybane: might not be possible as the startup sounds at pretty important on a Mac...but I don't know
[03:09] <grazie> s/at/are/
[03:11] <Cybane> Well the sound is on the ROM
[03:12] <Cybane> If you are using OSX you can mute the sound
[03:12] <Cybane> Now I just need to find a Debian verison of that
[03:17] <Cybane> HAHAHA I found it
[03:17] <Cybane> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20051013141919568&lsrc=osxh
[03:53] <bigfuzzyjesus> hey i reinstalled a ubuntu on a machine i have previously ssh'd into and now it says that REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED, how do i change it back :'(
[03:53] <gunny01>  PuMpErNiCkEl: I think I might have to reinstall
[03:53] <Jester45> bigfuzzyjesus: i think that means your ip changed
[03:55] <grazie> bigfuzzyjesus:edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[03:55] <grazie> bigfuzzyjesus: remove the key for the ip that's giving problems ... another will be created
[03:58] <cellofellow> bigfuzzyjesus: that means that the SSH server has generated a new ID key. It's no biggy, just change your cached version.
[03:59] <cellofellow> it USUALLY doesn't do that, 'cept when you reinstall SSH (or the OS)
[03:59] <bigfuzzyjesus> otay
[03:59] <bigfuzzyjesus> and how do i get the ssh server to start at boot
[03:59] <Jester45> cellofellow: did shane tell you what i told him to say to you?
[04:00] <cellofellow> um, no
[04:00] <Jester45> ok it was: Hello!
[04:00] <cellofellow> well, hello 2 u 2.
[04:01] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, how do i get the ssh server to start at boot
[04:01] <Jester45> settings -> autostarted applications
[04:01] <cellofellow> bigfuzzyjesus: use sysv-rc-conf to set it to run in runlevels 2345
[04:01] <Jester45> or that
[04:01] <cellofellow> Jester45: daemons need to run with init.
[04:03] <somerville32> autostarted applications are for desktop applications
[04:03] <somerville32> You want an rc script
[04:03] <cellofellow> it's there, you just have to set it
[04:04] <cellofellow> well, nighty night
[04:06] <Jester45> no!!!!
[04:06] <Jester45> i had a question
[04:06] <Jester45> darn
[04:07] <Jester45> can you make a menu with only html? or html + css ?
[04:07] <Jester45> a menu that i just add the name and link
[04:08] <kalikiana> sure, but html would be pretty ugly :P
[04:08] <Jester45> right now i have .jpg with a link if you click
[04:08] <Jester45> not the best way to add things
[04:09] <Jester45> o
[04:09] <kalikiana> imho pure css is always better than images
[04:09] <Jester45> and i see a lot of dhtml menu howtos
[04:09] <kalikiana> you might pick an example from e.g. cssplay.co.uk if you want
[04:10] <Jester45> and they say you need javascript so would that mean i need to add anything special to apache?
[04:10] <kalikiana> i would not use any javascript if possible
[04:10] <kalikiana> Jester45, apache doesn't have anything to do with that at all, it's only the browser
[04:10] <Jester45> just wondering
[04:11] <Jester45> a got a weak server computer to run my site
[04:11] <Jester45> and i dont wanna add much more to it
[04:11] <kalikiana> Jester45, look at these http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/index.html
[04:12] <kalikiana> if you put css in a file it's only loaded once and it's usually less traffic than images
[04:12] <Jester45> i know about css but the javascript
[04:13] <kalikiana> Jester45, you don't need any
[04:13] <Jester45> ok
[04:13] <Jester45> im looking around ccplay
[04:13] <Jester45> cssplay*
[04:13] <kalikiana> just look through the examples, there are many without javascript
[04:25] <Jester45> kalikiana: would you like to explain the xhtml? should i just add my html code?
[04:26] <Jester45> or add the xhtml to the regular html
[04:26] <Jester45> http://cssplay.co.uk/menus/menuseven.html
[04:26] <Jester45> is my choice
[04:26] <kalikiana> Jester45, there should be minor differences, i'll look...
[04:28] <kalikiana> Jester45, no difference, that will pass as html4 just fine :)
[04:28] <Jester45> so paSTE it at the top?
[04:29] <kalikiana> Jester45, yes, insert it anywhere in the body, just where you like
[04:29] <Jester45> ok
[04:29] <Jester45> and
[04:29] <kalikiana> Jester45, but a) put the css in a second file
[04:29] <kalikiana> Jester45, and b) looks like it uses a hack which won't work in ie7 anymore
[04:29] <Jester45> i have a css sheet for the styles can i just all their css to it
[04:29] <Jester45> i dont care
[04:30] <kalikiana> i think so
[04:30] <Jester45> i have ff on usb
[04:30] <kalikiana> ok, if ie doesn't matter you can actually strip the css blocks beginning with * html
[04:31] <kalikiana> saves you some traffic
[04:31] <Jester45> k
[04:32] <Jester45> http://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/index2_withmenu.html
[04:32] <Jester45> doesnt look right
[04:32] <Jester45> o
[04:32] <Jester45> didnt link css
[04:33] <Jester45> ok its working now
[04:34] <Jester45> just have to fine tune it
[04:34] <Jester45> thanks
[04:34] <kalikiana> looks good for a start :)
[04:36] <Jester45> lol
[04:36] <Jester45> thats my old one
[04:36] <Jester45> just ot play with
[04:37] <Jester45> try without the /index*
[04:37] <Jester45> the logo is messed up but im working on that at school
[04:38] <Jester45> can i make the xhtml in a 2nd file?
[04:39] <Jester45> its kinda messing up my html and would be better becuase all the pages would loook the same
[04:39] <kalikiana> Jester45, the menu code is fine html4
[04:39] <Jester45> yes but its ugly in my editor
[04:40] <Jester45> its a page long
[04:40] <kalikiana> you can really optimize by using only tiny images for the menu background
[04:41] <kalikiana> just remove some line breaks after the  tags
[04:41] <kalikiana> or do link in one line
[04:42] <Jester45> i like bash script better
[04:42] <Jester45> its cleaner
[04:44] <kalikiana> Jester45, i can agree here - i'd say you can't really compare script and markup
[04:44] <kalikiana> s/can/can't
[04:44] <Jester45> i can
[04:44] <Jester45> really wish cellofellow would make my site for me
[04:45] <Jester45> :)
[04:46] <Jester45> i dont mind scripting because it lets you see it as you create and its more usefull
[04:46] <Jester45> i wish i could find a nice gui html maker
[04:46] <Jester45> be like a paint program but with no brushes
[04:47] <Jester45> many of the ones i tried have a graph like placement
[04:47] <kalikiana> arg, gui html is...... nothing good in my opinion. :/
[04:48] <kalikiana> i think it's just a matter of being used to it.
[04:48] <kalikiana> you can of course use a color picker and code at the same time.
[04:55] <kalikiana> http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/16/1937237&from=rss
[04:56] <kalikiana> I'll make some food now, ciao!
[05:30] <_Dez> Hai guys
[05:31] <kalikiana> _Dez, hi
[05:32] <_Dez> Whats up
[05:34] <Jester45> did that send?
[05:34] <kalikiana> yummy chicken in the oven :P
[05:35] <Jester45> guess not
[05:35] <kalikiana> ?
[05:35] <Jester45> if you read the comments you get to Worth arguing? (neutral), well i have the same idea why not combine them as an example: Azureus, works nice "out-of-the-box" but you can customize it much more but as not to overwhelm a new comer to torrenting there is 3 levels of options basic, intermediate, and advance. Basic is just that the basic things like ports and where to save data
[05:35] <Jester45> , intermediate is more advance but still mostly just about making rules on how much of what how long if this then this and etc, and the advance is advance its includes the MaximumLineTransmissionUnit and other advance things. now think of this your new you don't know what a port is and you get slapped with 10,000 options and you don't understand any of them
[05:35] <Jester45> so you decide aa this is to much i'm gonna use the default or a different client... as you can guess this itsnt the best thing to do and becuase there are so many options they dont know where to start now think of this example as in KDE and GNOME. GNOME is a simpler and
[05:36] <Jester45> more easily used by new users and is customizeable but its hard unless you can add code to it and thats like going from basic -> advance. On the otherhand, KDE has many options they are fine defaults but users would love to have "just so" but they arenot sure where to start. as for GNOME this is harder to make but for KDE they could do what az has done have layers of options so you can say... i dont know much about networking so im
[05:36] <Jester45> ok
[05:36] <Jester45> i typed to much :)
[05:37] <kalikiana> wow, a strict op might feel the urge to ban you now ;)
[05:37] <Jester45> lol
[05:37] <Jester45> i typed all that
[05:37] <Jester45> didnt think it was that much
[05:38] <Jester45> and irc so no!!! to much
[05:38] <Jester45> thats my standpoint on GNOME vs KDE
[05:38] <Jester45> i should CC that :) allmost a book
[05:39] <kalikiana> would fit nicely on a blog in case you have one...
[05:39] <Jester45> lol
[05:39] <Jester45> i tried
[05:39] <kalikiana> imho kde's amount of settings is really overwhelming
[05:39] <Jester45> but i dont wanna run sql on the old machine
[05:39] <Jester45> thats why the settings levels would be nice
[05:40] <Jester45> and it wouldnt be that hard to code for somone that know how
[05:40] <kalikiana> yeah, if it is done right the levels sound nice
[05:40] <Jester45> just a little bit like {type}[level]
[05:40] <Jester45> or something
[05:40] <kalikiana> honestly I don't think that most coders out there know/care enough about usability
[05:41] <kalikiana> and linus did an amazing action to prove that :D
[05:41] <Jester45> it wouldnt be hard just a lot of word
[05:41] <Jester45> work
[05:41] <kalikiana> not hard, but one would have to *care* about that
[05:42] <Jester45> and it would be a simple tree like thing
[05:42] <Jester45> you could set the whole system to a level or just a part of it
[05:42] <kalikiana> it's rather a matter of thinking than coding. although i'm not sure if that should be done system-wide.
[05:43] <kalikiana> i wouldn't like to have five difficultiy levels for mousepad :P
[05:43] <Jester45> like a level1 display could be color and a theme or somthing of the like
[05:43] <Jester45> well..
[05:43] <Jester45> the people that make it would onyl add lvl 2 or 1 things
[05:43] <Jester45> depending on how hard they think it should be
[05:43] <Jester45> 1 being brand new users
[05:44] <kalikiana> yeah, the themes dialog could use some 'go advanced' button imo
[05:44] <kalikiana> you can't even change single colors
[05:44] <Jester45> well even with that its only 2 levels basicand advance
[05:44] <kalikiana> for the themes dialog two or three levels might suffice
[05:45] <Jester45> but a system wide thing could be hard to implement
[05:45] <kalikiana> the torrent application with five levels is more reasonable
[05:45] <Jester45> and the good thing about it is that you could catigorize it
[05:45] <Jester45> like my self i know lots about torrents but not much about display
[05:45] <kalikiana> system-wide is not nessessary at all, especially if you have a different number of levels
[05:46] <Jester45> i find az lacking in default options as in the advance options
[05:46] <Jester45> thats the one problem
[05:47] <Jester45> a system wide would make porting harder and many programers might make the lvl 3 options a lvl 1 so the users think it has more options
[05:48] <Jester45> and building from source  would be diffrent becuase a kubuntu install is diffrent from others
[05:48] <kalikiana> as long as settings dialogs share common semantics you don't need a system-specific settings interface
[05:48] <Jester45> its just a thought
[05:48] <kalikiana> the latter is part of what makes kde bloated to me
[05:48] <Jester45> and i think that gnome would have a hard time
[05:49] <Jester45> they would 1) make the options 2) make the levels
[05:50] <kalikiana> not sure what you mean.. imho a tight system integration is rather bad
[05:51] <Jester45> why
[05:51] <kalikiana> you can see that with many gtk apps being gnome-dependant although they shouldn'T be
[05:51] <Jester45> o
[05:51] <Jester45> well have a --level-off option
[05:51] <Jester45> hehe
[05:52] <jdrake> Has anyone ever ran xubuntu straight off of a CF card? What might be required to do such a thing without having a harddrive? (how much memory and such)
[05:53] <Jester45> not that much the same as a live cd or even less
[05:53] <Jester45> i would say 100mb of ram would run it
[05:53] <_Dez> Yup
[05:53] <Jester45> 128 would be nice and 256 would be useable
[05:53] <_Dez> or even less then that
[05:54] <_Dez> Ive ran xubuntu off a CF Card in my Nano-ITX Box
[05:54] <_Dez> 1Ghz 64Mb of ram
[05:54] <Jester45> i think under a 100 starts becoming slow if its a gui
[05:54] <Jester45> no java im guessing :)
[05:55] <jdrake> I am just thinking about a future system :p
[05:56] <jdrake> My idea would be at least 512mb of ram, probably 1GB. The CF would be unknown. But ideally, I would want something that could essentially run without much writing. Obviously no swap.
[05:56] <_Dez> no swap would be great
[05:56] <_Dez> i run no swap on this box
[05:57] <jdrake> I would think any flash could be killed eventually if it was for swap purposes.
[05:57] <_Dez> 1.13Ghz,1GB Ram, 30GB 5200RPM,blahblah
[05:57] <jdrake> I would like to see intel put out a decent chip that uses little power, and combine it with a gpu that is similarily light
[05:57] <jdrake> I have definitely grown attached to xfce
[05:58] <jdrake> I need a good music program though, banshee is a little heavyt
[05:58] <kalikiana> i have 1gb ram, no swap at all, should even work for 512mb i guess
[05:58] <_Dez> i love xfce and blackbox
[05:58] <kalikiana> since my usual ram usage is under 400mb
[05:58] <jdrake> banshee runs 15 to 30% cpu to decode an mp3
[05:58] <jdrake> 10% memory
[05:58] <_Dez> nice
[05:59] <_Dez> my ram usage never gets higher then 400 too
[05:59] <jdrake> Mem:   1034648k total,   822868k used,   211780k free,   130548k buffers
[05:59] <_Dez> CPU Goes up down up down
[05:59] <jdrake> Swap:  1453808k total,        0k used,  1453808k free,   395416k cached
[06:00] <jdrake> CF might have problems here though: /dev/md0              total 111G  used 5.6G   free 99G   used 6% /
[06:00] <_Dez> lol
[06:00] <kalikiana> honestly, I wonder why I was happy when I got 1gb ram for the price of 512mb :P
[06:00] <_Dez> how do i get specs like that jdrake?
[06:00] <jdrake> _Dez, $600 or so
[06:01] <_Dez> no i ment in terminal
[06:01] <jdrake> df -h
[06:01] <jdrake> but i added 'total', 'used', etc.
[06:01] <jdrake> To save a line
[06:01] <kalikiana> so $600 including formatting by jdrake :P
[06:01] <jdrake> No, if I were doing it, $800 + shipping
[06:01] <_Dez> lol
[06:02] <jdrake> This thing cost me $1200 including monitor about 2 years ago
[06:02] <_Dez> lol
[06:02] <jdrake> I expect to at least use it for another 3 years, possibly 5.
[06:02] <_Dez> Im the Tech Admin at school and i run 2 21" Dell monitors as mains
[06:02] <_Dez> and ive put in a request for another one
[06:02] <_Dez> Lol
[06:02] <jdrake> My workflow has evolved to exclude windows (its still around somewhere)
[06:03] <_Dez> We have to run Winblows 2003 or XP SP2
[06:03] <jdrake> Pretty much gnuplot, openoffice, and latex will be introduced this week for labs.
[06:03] <jdrake> gnuplot is very good
[06:03] <_Dez> Sweet
[06:03] <jdrake> Looks more distinctive than excel.
[06:03] <_Dez> i just installed MSWord 2007 on about 300 computers
[06:04] <jdrake> I would like to see a good set of designed applications that DO NOT require menu bars.
[06:04] <_Dez> And I dont think our school is 100% Legit
[06:04] <_Dez> LOL
[06:04] <_Dez> I hate not having Menu bars
[06:04] <Jester45> Mem:   2136648k total,   143847k used,   1992801k free,   189548k buffers
[06:04] <_Dez> like when i use gimp
[06:04] <jdrake> menus are for restaurants :p
[06:04] <jdrake> gimp has menu bars
[06:04] <_Dez> and turbos are for diesels
[06:04] <_Dez> :p
[06:05] <jdrake> I don't object to context menus :p
[06:05] <_Dez> lol
[06:05] <_Dez> later guys girlfriend awaits
[06:05] <jdrake> But other menu styles are possibly better, such as radial menus
[06:05] <_Dez> its late
[06:05] <_Dez> i might be back when she falls asleep
[06:05] <_Dez> hehe
[06:05] <jdrake> [06:06] <kalikiana> ciao
[06:06] <Jester45> i gonna play some games
[06:07] <kalikiana> I'm gonna eat now :)
[06:07] <Jester45> me2
[06:07] <jdrake> Its almost bed time here, but I must input some data into openoffice's calc, the first step of my work flow
[06:08] <jdrake> Hey guys, any nice background sites with amazing nature pictures? (1280x1024)
[06:08] <Jester45> jdrake: i got some larger ones
[06:08] <Jester45> you want?
[06:08] <Jester45> 2560x1600
[06:09] <jdrake> sure, I can always resize if needed.
[06:09] <Jester45> it will be resized to fix your screen
[06:09] <Jester45> you mean for xubuntu right?
[06:09] <jdrake> yes
[06:10] <jdrake> Does it do that resizing once or every redraw?
[06:10] <jdrake> (just checking...)
[06:10] <Jester45> umm
[06:10] <Jester45> never noticed
[06:10] <Jester45> i think once one boot
[06:11] <Jester45> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Backgrounds.tar.bz2
[06:11] <Jester45> wait a sec b4 downloading
[06:12] <Jester45> not sure if its done compressing
[06:12] <jdrake> waiting :p
[06:12] <Jester45> nope
[06:13] <Jester45> they are large pictures
[06:13] <jdrake> oh yes, how can I change the theme in openoffice to match xfce?
[06:13] <Jester45> you can look at one of my Valentine's Day gifts
[06:14] <jdrake> tell me when completed :p, then I will start
[06:14] <Jester45> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Images/Camara/S5030042.JPG
[06:15] <Jester45> girl friend was surprised becuase its like 10 below zero
[06:15] <Jester45> Fahrenheit that is
[06:15] <jdrake> 10 below?
[06:15] <jdrake> It has been regularly 10 below around here :p
[06:15] <jdrake> wind chill of about -20 at times
[06:15] <Jester45> where
[06:16] <jdrake> sarnia
[06:16] <jdrake> ON
[06:16] <Jester45> idk where that is
[06:16] <Jester45> but its was funny becuase i got her parents to tape a peice of paper on her door
[06:16] <jdrake> across from port huron which is just an hour north of detroit.
[06:16] <Jester45> told her to look outside
[06:16] <Jester45> o
[06:16] <jdrake> nice :p
[06:17] <Jester45> cananda
[06:17] <jdrake> yes
[06:17] <Moniker42> hey i'm running edgy ubuntu - i've just installed xfce how do i switch to that environment?
[06:17] <Jester45> logout then pick xfce session
[06:17] <Jester45> ok its done
[06:18] <jdrake> So where are you right now?
[06:18] <Jester45> missouri like 900 miles south of you
[06:18] <Jester45> i did that at like 4 in the morning
[06:19] <jdrake> Do you live in the country?
[06:19] <Jester45> im 16 so yea... i think its pretty funny
[06:19] <Jester45> USA
[06:19] <Jester45> o
[06:19] <Jester45> kinda
[06:19] <jdrake> You are just a young man then :p
[06:20] <Jester45> dont have cable internet
[06:20] <Moniker42> thanks Jester45
[06:20] <Moniker42> working now
[06:21] <Jester45> jdrake: yea thats why she was supprized then i drove her to school like normal and gave her a little bear that sings a sing and jumps up and down
[06:21] <Jester45> your welcome
[06:21] <Jester45> or not
[06:21] <Jester45> sorry i dont have faster internet
[06:22] <Jester45> parents will not pay for more
[06:22] <icicled> spam people and make money :P
[06:22] <icicled> your 16, it's ok
[06:22] <icicled> just a minor
[06:22] <Jester45> lol
[06:22] <jdrake> spam people on dialup?
[06:23] <icicled> get hold of a few computers then create a botnet
[06:23] <jdrake> Jester45, have you heard of my friend + + + A T H 0?
[06:23] <Jester45> nope
[06:23] <jdrake> you should try it (without spaces) :p
[06:24] <Jester45> atho
[06:24] <icicled> heh
[06:24] <jdrake> that is a 0 at the end :p
[06:24] <jdrake> icicled, did I just date myself?
[06:24] <icicled> jdrake, you are evil
[06:24] <jdrake> yes I am
[06:25] <icicled> date yourself?
[06:25] <Jester45> +++ATH0 dont kil me ChanServ
[06:25] <Jester45> thats fun
[06:25] <Jester45> ATH0
[06:25] <jdrake> icicled, let it be known how old I am
[06:25] <icicled> nah
[06:25] <icicled> how old are you?
[06:25] <Jester45> WORK0
[06:25] <jdrake> 25:p
[06:25] <icicled> i'm 21
[06:25] <Jester45> 77?
[06:25] <icicled> go figure
[06:25] <Jester45> close
[06:26] <icicled> Jester45, http://www.securityspace.com/smysecure/catid.html?id=10020
[06:26] <jdrake> There is a way you can ping somebody with that encoded in the message that is pinged back, so that when the computer replies, they hang up the modem all by themselves :p
[06:26] <icicled> http://www.ath0.org/ --> wtf?
[06:27] <jdrake> i notice the 'stileproject' in the bottom right
[06:27] <Jester45> to bad i dont have dailup
[06:27] <jdrake> yep
[06:27] <icicled> jdrake, yes, you're very observant
[06:27] <icicled> good job
[06:29] <jdrake> I am waiting for my own domain to transfer away from godaddy
[06:30] <Jester45> like mine?
[06:30] <jdrake> hmm, why would xfmedia installation require the removal of 233 other packages (that are basically desktop ones)
[06:31] <icicled> oO
[06:31] <icicled> no idea
[06:31] <Jester45> try it
[06:31] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Dependency conflict, probably.
[06:31] <jdrake> Have you guys ever tried bastet? (game)
[06:32] <jdrake> oh, aptitude thinks they are unused
[06:32] <jdrake> stupid thing
[06:32] <Jester45> no
[06:33] <Jester45> mark them as used
[06:33] <jdrake> Is there a simple way to mark everything installed as used?
[06:33] <Jester45> mark *
[06:33] <Jester45> ?
[06:34] <Jester45> jdrake: whats your dl %
[06:34] <jdrake> 17% (9mb)
[06:35] <jdrake> 75 Kbps
[06:35] <Jester45> darn
[06:35] <Jester45> o well
[06:35] <Jester45> really?
[06:35] <Jester45> bytes or bits
[06:35] <icicled> i have
[06:35] <icicled> tried bastet that is
[06:36] <jdrake> small b is always bits, B is bytes
[06:36] <icicled> its also evil
[06:36] <jdrake> that is why they call it Bastard Tetris :p
[06:38] <jdrake> So Jester45, what do you plan on doing? It sounds like you should be finished Secondary School soon, and if your wish to go get some tertiary education.
[06:38] <Jester45> well jdrake could you tell me when the dl has about 5 min left?
[06:38] <jdrake> That is in approximately 1 hour
[06:39] <jdrake> I am honestly not planning on staying up that long
[06:39] <Jester45> ok
[06:39] <jdrake> Nor would I keep this thing on that long, power costs money and all.
[06:39] <Jester45> lol
[06:39] <Jester45> nice pictures
[06:39] <Jester45> HD pics
[06:40] <jdrake> You seem to be overly concerned with their resolution
[06:41] <Jester45> i ahte low res background pics
[06:41] <Jester45> hate*
[06:41] <jdrake> Do you have something that can actually display it?
[06:41] <Jester45> yes
[06:41] <Jester45> my moniter
[06:41] <jdrake> What kind of beast do you have?
[06:42] <Jester45> lol
[06:42] <Jester45> i bet my tv can also
[06:42] <jdrake> not likely
[06:42] <Jester45> wide screen lcd
[06:42] <Jester45> 42inch i think
[06:43] <jdrake> The pixel density is probably horrible
[06:43] <jdrake> 1080i is probably the best it can do
[06:44] <jdrake> Either way, it would be overkill
[06:45] <Jester45> well i dont use it much
[06:45] <jdrake> I will never likely buy a beast like that myself
[06:45] <jdrake> A little too much opportunity cost to it
[06:45] <Jester45> i wont
[06:49] <jdrake> I haven't been noticing as many updates that I was noticing with gnome.
[06:49] <reklipz_> hey guys, i asked this in the #ubuntu channel, but I'm wondering if ill notice any speed increase when switching from ubuntu to xubuntu on my 1.4GHz centrino with 128MB PC2700 DDRRAM
[06:49] <jdrake> reklipz_, chances are 'yes', but you would get more benefit from more ram, 128mb is really too low.
[06:50] <Jester45> yes i agree
[06:50] <reklipz_> jdrake, ya, but DDR for a lappy is really expensive, and is prolly worth more than i bought the laptop for
[06:50] <jdrake> reklipz_, what is the model number of the laptop and brand?
[06:50] <Jester45> gnome uses much more ram than xfce but you woudl get the most speed from a littlre more ram
[06:50] <reklipz_> i was running beryl, but took that off and noticed a bit of an increase when creating windows
[06:51] <jdrake> ahem
[06:51] <reklipz_> jdrake, its a Gateway 200ARC
[06:52] <jdrake> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=200+Series+%28DDR%29
[06:52] <jdrake> 512mb should be $54, presuming this is right model
[06:53] <Cybane> this is disheartening Ubuntu is going to drop PPC as an offical release
[06:53] <jdrake> Cybane, why is that?
[06:54] <jdrake> There is no mass market anymore and limited number of users have it now.
[06:54] <jdrake> There is nothing stopping somebody from stepping up to the plate to provide it
[06:54] <Jester45> i think its because ppc is harder and has more problems
[06:54] <PuMpErNiCkEl> They are providing it.  They're just not providing support.
[06:55] <reklipz_> jdrake, sorry, battery died
[06:55] <Cybane> I do not know why they are going to drop it just read about it
[06:55] <jdrake> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=200+Series+%28DDR%29
[06:55] <jdrake> 512mb should be $54, presuming this is right model
[06:55] <reklipz_> its a Gateway 200ARC
[06:55] <PuMpErNiCkEl> They're only dropping commercial support.
[06:55] <jdrake> Which makes it a non-issue anyways
[06:55] <reklipz_> hmm
[06:56] <reklipz_> well, ive got a desktop with a 1.4GHz p4 and 512MB ram, and it handles ubuntu with compiz like a breeze
[06:56] <Cybane> The only reason why I can see them doing that is because apple went the way of x86 arch
[06:56] <jdrake> ReKlipz, your laptop will not do as well.
[06:56] <reklipz_> you think ill get the same performance?
[06:56] <reklipz_> ok
[06:56] <reklipz_> =(
[06:56] <PuMpErNiCkEl> I'd say it's more because no one was buying support anyway.
[06:56] <jdrake> You will get better mind you
[06:56] <jdrake> 128mb to 512mb that i did many years ago was a load of difference
[06:57] <reklipz_> well, im supposedly getting a new laptop with my scholarship, so i may wait until then to upgrade, but in the meantime, xubuntu is still a good idea?
[06:57] <jdrake> But in the shortterm, installing xubuntu is a great idea
[06:57] <reklipz_> thanks alot for that link btw, really appreciate it
[06:57] <jdrake> no problem
[06:58] <reklipz_> jdrake, will i get better results if i download the install cd for xubuntu, or would apt-getting xubuntu-desktop have the same effect?
[06:58] <jdrake> Same thing
[06:58] <reklipz_> like, would apt-get leave some nasties from ubuntu behind?
[06:58] <jdrake> Use aptitude though instead of apt-get
[06:58] <Jester45> yes
[06:58] <jdrake> There should be nothing wrong with them both being there
[06:59] <reklipz_> and how would i get rid of those nasties though?
[06:59] <Jester45> jdrake: it runs a LITTLE slower
[06:59] <reklipz_> or is it just ubuntu-desktop
[06:59] <jdrake> Make sure you install a2ps though, xfprint requires it
[06:59] <reklipz_> a2ps...
[06:59] <Jester45> just make sure you turn off all gnome libs at startup
[06:59] <reklipz_> Jester45, how do i make sure of that?
[06:59] <Jester45> app2 print system?
[07:00] <Jester45> settings --> sessions and start up
[07:00] <Jester45> then advance tab
[07:01] <jdrake> ReKlipz, theoretically if you aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop, it should notice everything else was installed as a dependancy and try to remove it (with a prompt)
[07:01] <reklipz_> jdrake, k gonna do that now
[07:01] <reklipz_> if im not back soon, take me for dead
[07:01] <reklipz_> promise me, ok?
[07:01] <jdrake> You are already dead,
[07:02] <reklipz_> =)
[07:02] <jdrake> Take back your life when you finish battle
[07:02] <reklipz_> dig it
[07:02] <jdrake> Install irssi :p
[07:02] <reklipz_> back in a few
[07:02] <jdrake> then connect in a terminal
[07:02] <reklipz_> but i wanan be dead!
[07:02] <reklipz_> gawd
[07:02] <reklipz_> k, im out
[07:02] <reklipz_> back later
[07:02] <jdrake> I won't be :p
[07:02] <reklipz_> ...
[07:03] <jdrake> hmm, for the last two days, clicking a drive icon on the desktop does not bring up the folder
[07:04] <jdrake> It seems I can un mount it then it works properly
[07:31] <jdrake> xfmedia uses a fraction of the cpu that banshee does
[07:43] <jdrake> Jester45, it is done
[08:32] <radioaktivstorm> hello, my panels just died,a situation ive never encountered before. how do i turn them back on? im running the gnome panel for right now.
[08:57] <Tampler> Hi, all! :)
[10:55] <blizz> hey there
[10:55] <irvin> hey
[10:56] <blizz> any drawbacks when installing an amd64 installation? like, unavailable binary ports?
[10:56] <blizz> had that problem with other distros
[11:12] <sm0k3d> hey guys
[11:13] <sm0k3d> i just installed xubuntu and i am very new to linux, i literally have try for a hour to install realvnc, can any1 help me?
[11:19] <Aryon> sm0k3d: Open terminal and write "sudo apt-get install realvnc"
[11:19] <irvin> is there a realvnc package?
[11:20] <Aryon> No idea.
[11:20] <irvin> !vnc
[11:20] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[11:20] <irvin> !freenx
[11:20] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[11:21] <Aryon> sm0k3d: Forget what I just said.
[11:37] <blizz> is there any drawback between installing herd 2 + upgrading all packages and installing herd 4?
[11:37] <blizz> woot. i mean.. is there a drawback when installing herd 2 + upgrading instead of installing herd 4
[12:46] <Blais1> ho all
[12:46] <Blais1> I'm having trouble setting up my compuiter for a widescreen TFT
[12:46] <Blais1> display settings doesn't have the correct values, is there a way I can set them myself?
[12:48] <psb154> Blais1 you could edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf that might do it.
[12:49] <Blais1> I can edit it
[12:50] <Blais1> but I think I'm displaying at the wrong refresh rate for my res
[12:51] <Blais1> is there a command to test my current display settings?
[12:51] <psb154> Blais1, well... you can edit the file with: sudo <your favorite editor> /etc...
[12:51] <Blais1> yes
[12:51] <Blais1> I have entered factory settings, but I get incredible font-blur
[12:52] <Blais1> under section monitor I have vert-Refresh 56-75
[12:52] <Blais1> but I want it to display at 60hz for my current res of 1680x1050
[12:52] <psb154> Blais1, you will get blurry effects if you don't use the optimum res for your flat screen.
[12:53] <Blais1> optimum res is meant to be 1680x1050, perhaps it's not being used then?
[12:53] <Blais1> how can I test this?
[12:53] <psb154> Blais1, you could: man xorg.conf
[12:54] <Blais1> ok thansk
[12:59] <grazie> Blais1: did you sort your other problem?
[12:59] <Blais1> I can now connect through my wireless
[12:59] <Blais1> which is very useful
[01:00] <Blais1> but Opera and Firefox still creash
[01:00] <Blais1> *crash
[01:00] <grazie> Blais1: ram was good?
[01:00] <Blais1> I haven't tried uninstalling FF yet, I will try but I want to set up my monitor properly first
[01:00] <Blais1> yes it all seemed fine
[01:00] <grazie> ?
[01:02] <Blais1> hmm if I want to remove firefox I have to remove xubuntu-dektop!?
[01:03] <grazie> Blais1: it's a meta package dependancy...removing it will be ok. if you then get additional packages though, come back and ask!
[01:04] <Blais1> ok
[01:04] <grazie> grazie: not hopefull that will solve your problem though
[01:04] <Blais1> oh
[01:07] <Blais1> nope it didn't help anything
[01:07] <Blais1> brb
[02:12] <pampa> hi
[02:13] <pampa> i already had installed a console based xubuntu in my notebook
[02:13] <hyper_ch> hi
[02:13] <pampa> now i would like to install xfce
[02:13] <hyper_ch> pampa: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:14] <pampa> ok, i'll try
[02:14] <hyper_ch> why didn't you directly install xubuntu?
[02:14] <pampa> i have tryed sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel
[02:14] <tonyb2006> when I made a .desktop launcher for thunderbird, when I click it it just opens the .desktop files in a text editor
[02:14] <pampa> but it ask me for the cdrom...
[02:14] <hyper_ch> better to use sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[02:15] <hyper_ch> pampa: ok, we will need to cancel out the cd repository
[02:15] <hyper_ch> pampa: you know how to get along in the command line interface?
[02:15] <tonyb2006> and if you understand "comment out the line that has CD in it in /etc/apt/sources.list" do it
[02:15] <pampa> hyper_ch, because every time i try to install directly xubuntu it just freezes on configuring anthy or something like that...
[02:15] <hyper_ch> pampa: did you use the live-cd?
[02:15] <pampa> hyper_ch, almost
[02:16] <pampa> yeap
[02:16] <pampa> i have the feisty fawn herd 2
[02:16] <hyper_ch> pampa: better to try the alternate... is there an alternate cd for feisty?
[02:16] <pampa> but i installed just the base system because of that tilt with the normal install
[02:16] <hyper_ch> tonyb2006: why a launcher on the desktop?
[02:16] <pampa> nope
[02:16] <pampa> but if it's necesary i will download it
[02:17] <tonyb2006> hyper_ch: Because its for someone that doesnt understand compys totally
[02:17] <hyper_ch> tonyb2006: why not in the bar?
[02:17] <pampa> hyper_ch, but, i have an internet connection working in xubuntu now...
[02:17] <tonyb2006> because they want it on the desktop? :\
[02:17] <hyper_ch> tonyb2006: never done that on a desktop... I have my top and bottom bar :)
[02:18] <pampa> hyper_ch, could i just change the repository to download it from the internet and not from cd?
[02:18] <hyper_ch> pampa: there are alternate downloads for feisty
[02:18] <hyper_ch> pampa: the xubuntu-desktop will not be exactely the same as if you use a complete xubuntu gui install
[02:18] <hyper_ch> and I think you may want to use herd-4 instead of herd2
[02:19] <hyper_ch> pampa: I'd recommend this:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-4/feisty-alternate-i386.iso
[02:19] <hyper_ch> but if you want to have the desktop installed then we can alter your repository
[02:19] <pampa> so, youre tellinme to download the alternate feisty fawn herd 2 and try installing the full with that one?
[02:19] <hyper_ch> pampa: no, telling you to use herd-4 alternate :)
[02:20] <pampa> listen
[02:20] <hyper_ch> pampa: the live cd has sometimes problems installing properly... for isntallation the alternate cd is better in my opinion
[02:20] <pampa> i forgot that i already have the alternate herd 3....
[02:20] <pampa> yes
[02:20] <hyper_ch> pampa: so I recommend getting the latest release (of feisty) which is herd 4 and try the desktop install from the alternate cd
[02:21] <pampa> i have downloaded the alternate because of my lowram system config
[02:21] <hyper_ch> why do you want to use feisty and not edgy?
[02:21] <pampa> i have just 64mb...
[02:21] <hyper_ch> oh, 64mb
[02:21] <hyper_ch> it'll be slow
[02:21] <pampa> yeah? you think?
[02:21] <pampa> mmmm
[02:22] <pampa> last night i've tryied DSL and it worked pretty fast!
[02:22] <hyper_ch> I tend to think so
[02:22] <hyper_ch> xubuntu is bloat compared to dsl
[02:22] <hyper_ch> however it's lightweight compared to gnome/kde
[02:22] <pampa> my notebook has 6gb disk, so there's no prob with swap file
[02:22] <pampa> oklisten
[02:22] <hyper_ch> what processor have you got?
[02:23] <pampa> anyway, in several days i plan to upgrade it's ram to 128 at leats...
[02:23] <pampa> celeron coppermine 500mhz
[02:23] <hyper_ch> ok, that will improve speed a lot :)
[02:23] <hyper_ch> the 128mb
[02:23] <pampa> ok
[02:23] <pampa> so...
[02:23] <hyper_ch> well, if you want to use feisty then go for herd4
[02:24] <pampa> where?
[02:24] <hyper_ch> and I did install xubuntu edgy once on a 64mb system with a 240mhz processor
[02:24] <pampa> are you tellinme that herd4 would install just right in my system???
[02:24] <hyper_ch> it took a long time to get it installed
[02:24] <hyper_ch> Herd 4 Alternate:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-4/feisty-alternate-i386.iso
[02:25] <hyper_ch> pampa: well, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't install
[02:25] <hyper_ch> pampa: install will take a long time
[02:25] <hyper_ch> pampa: you will have to be patient... 64mb just isn't much to work with
[02:26] <pampa> yeah
[02:26] <hyper_ch> another thing I recommend is to have at least 2-3 CD-RW with 700mb available :)
[02:26] <pampa> but herd3 was freezed about 2 hours in the same position two times...
[02:27] <hyper_ch> so you don't keep wasting CD-Rs for all of that :)
[02:27] <hyper_ch> pampa: might be a problem with herd3
[02:27] <hyper_ch> I don't know for sure
[02:27] <pampa> you think? ok, let's try with herd4
[02:27] <pampa> i'm downloading
[02:28] <hyper_ch> well, the one time I installed edgy on that notebook I did let it install during the night
[02:28] <hyper_ch> I can't tell how long it took
[02:28] <pampa> sorry 'bout my english, i'm from Argentina :P
[02:28] <hyper_ch> hablas ingles muy bien
[02:28] <pampa> hyper_ch, ok, i will let herd4 took all the time he wants...
[02:29] <pampa> jaja
[02:29] <pampa> tu crees?
[02:29] <hyper_ch> pampa: well, I just let it do it over night :)
[02:29] <hyper_ch> si :) hablo espaol solamente un poquito
[02:30] <pampa> ;)
[02:30] <hyper_ch> yeah, the little pieces I know in spanish are also mixed with italian :)=
[02:31] <pampa> hyper_ch, hahaha!
[02:32] <hyper_ch> solamente --> italian and not spanish... but the spanish one would be somewhat close or I think you understood what I meant to say
[02:32] <pampa> well, i would really like to learn italian, it's easier for me because this two languages are pretty similar...
[02:32] <pampa> solamente est bien dicho, i think!
[02:32] <hyper_ch> pampa: because they are so close to each other it makes it hard for me to distinguish them as neither is mother language
[02:33] <pampa> slo, solamente, es lo mismo en espaol
[02:33] <hyper_ch> :)
[02:33] <pampa> yeap
[02:33] <hyper_ch> I like languages :)
[02:34] <pampa> in europe there's a lot of languages in very close distances!
[02:34] <hyper_ch> and of course my french and latin helps also with italian and spanish :)
[02:34] <pampa> wow!
[02:34] <hyper_ch> and even with the same language, especially in German, there's the "problem" of the dialects :)
[02:34] <hyper_ch> most germans won't understand at first when I talk in my dialect
[02:35] <pampa> me too, that's why i would really love to live in europe! to learn alot of languages
[02:35] <hyper_ch> btw, you're up early on a saturday :)
[02:35] <pampa> hehe
[02:35] <pampa> i haven't sleept
[02:35] <pampa> 8|
[02:36] <hyper_ch> well, you konw english and with your spanish background it shouldn't be all to hard to adapt to italian and a bit harder to french and portuguese
[02:37] <pampa> yeah, the secret is that you have to pay attention, you have to love learning other languages...
[02:38] <hyper_ch> well, I have never been good at learning languages at school... but I like to communicate with people and for me it was much better speaking to people
[02:38] <pampa> that's it
[02:38] <hyper_ch> you see I learned a bit of spanish while I did an exchange year in Australia... many of the other exchange students were from South America
[02:38] <pampa> the matter is to communicate
[02:39] <pampa> oooh look at that!
[02:39] <hyper_ch> especially I loved the spanish of Daniela Maria Claudia Prada... she is Columbian... I think she had the most melodious spanish :)
[02:39] <pampa> :)
[02:40] <hyper_ch> well, all of the S.A. dialects were totally different from the one in Spain... I don't like that one at all.. it's like a staccato
[02:40] <pampa> i think you were not obnuvilated by her spanish, either by her beauty!!! :P
[02:40] <hyper_ch> maybe both :)
[02:40] <pampa> (i had some troubles to make that phrase)
[02:40] <hyper_ch> even in argentina you do have different dialect... one of them came from Buenos Aires and the other from San Salvador de Jujuy and it didn't sound the same :)
[02:41] <pampa> i really dont know if it's well writed...
[02:41] <pampa> jajaja
[02:41] <pampa> yeah
[02:41] <pampa> look
[02:41] <hyper_ch> pampa: I understood what you meant to say :)
[02:41] <pampa> now i'm in Cordoba, it's famous by it's particular dialect
[02:42] <hyper_ch> I don't know that one :)
[02:42] <pampa> it's in the middle center of Argentina
[02:42] <hyper_ch> why is the dialect particular?
[02:42] <hyper_ch> or rather what makes it particular?
[02:43] <pampa> it's dialect is pretty funny for me that i'm from Santa Fe, the neigbourhood province
[02:43] <pampa> you have to listen to them :D
[02:43] <pampa> hehehe
[02:43] <hyper_ch> hehe :)
[02:44] <hyper_ch> well, the dialects in Germany/Switzerland/austria are a thing for themselves...
[02:44] <hyper_ch> as I have said above most Germans and Austrians wouldn't understand me at first
[02:44] <pampa> in my province (Sta Fe) we have a more Buenos Aires's kind...
[02:44] <hyper_ch> and I even have problems understanding some dialects in Switzerland
[02:44] <hyper_ch> I remember that lovely girl from Buenos Aires :)
[02:44] <pampa> hehehehe
[02:45] <hyper_ch> Catalina Maria Jaramillo
[02:45] <hyper_ch> hmm, all girls I know from S.A. have in their name a "Maria"...
[02:45] <pampa> yeah, don't tell me... i'm in love of every woman of my country!
[02:45] <pampa> :D
[02:46] <pampa> yeah!, Maria is pretty popular
[02:46] <hyper_ch> yeah, there are some really nice ones :)
[02:46] <hyper_ch> but they are always late :)
[02:46] <pampa> late?
[02:46] <hyper_ch> well, I learnt that when i wanted to meet at like 7 pm then I say 6:30
[02:47] <hyper_ch> well, if you say you want to meet at some place at some time... they were always late... but I think that's the mentality there :)
[02:47] <grazie> pampa: I'm not sure, but I think you anthy problem is just a dictionary install
[02:47] <pampa> oohhh, yeah! that's a big problem of the Argentinian...
[02:48] <grazie> pampa: you should be able to kill the process and finish the install without problems
[02:48] <hyper_ch> pampa: I learnt to live with it as I just said to meet 30min before I actually intended to meet :)
[02:48] <pampa> grazie, you say?
[02:48] <grazie> pampa: I think so, not certain
[02:48] <grazie> grazie: your anthy problem...
[02:49] <pampa> grazie, how i could wach the running processes to kill them up?
[02:49] <grazie> pampa: ^^
[02:49] <grazie> pampa: alt+f2
[02:49] <hyper_ch> what's anthy?
[02:49] <pampa> grazie, in another terminal
[02:49] <pampa> but which commando?
[02:50] <grazie> pampa: some dictionary thing...I don't know exactly
[02:50] <pampa> hyper_ch, i dont remember very well... but i think it was something like anthry...
[02:50] <grazie> hyper_ch: ^^
[02:50] <grazie> pampa: ps aux
[02:50] <hyper_ch> :)
[02:51] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:/etc/rc2.d$ man anthy
[02:51] <hyper_ch> No manual entry for anthy
[02:51] <hyper_ch> oh well :)
[02:51] <pampa> grazie, roger... i'll try with that
[02:51] <grazie> !anthy
[02:51] <ubotu> anthy: A Japanese input method (backend, dictionary and utility). In component main, is optional. Version 7500-1 (edgy), package size 2749 kB, installed size 10388 kB
[02:51] <hyper_ch> :)
[02:51] <pampa> jajajaja
[02:52] <pampa> maybe i'm a lilbit wrong :P
[02:52] <grazie> pampa: ok. come back if you've have a problem. saves downloadling yet again,
[02:52] <pampa> don't tellme! it was anthy?
[02:52] <grazie> pampa: ?
[02:53] <hyper_ch> I'd still first get the newest release :)
[02:53] <pampa> grazie, i preffer wait to download herd4 and try with it
[02:53] <grazie> ok
[02:53] <pampa> if the problem persist with herd4 then i'll try ps aux, and killall :P
[02:53] <hyper_ch> :)
[02:54] <pampa> my brain is almost in flames!!!
[02:54] <grazie> :)
[02:54] <pampa> you english people makes me think a lot to translate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:55] <hyper_ch> !es | pampa
[02:55] <ubotu> pampa: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:55] <pampa> hehehe
[02:55] <hyper_ch> oh, there is no #xubuntu-es ?
[02:55] <pampa> ubotu, THANKS!
[02:55] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[02:55] <grazie> pampa: hyper_ch is swiss!
[02:55] <hyper_ch> grazie: can you prove it ^^
[02:56] <grazie> no
[02:56] <pampa> jajajaja
[02:56] <hyper_ch> there you go :)
[02:56] <hyper_ch> well, let's hope herd 4 works fine :)
[02:56] <pampa> i hope
[02:56] <hyper_ch> need to go for a little while :)
[02:57] <pampa> i cant wait to see xfce running on my notebook!
[02:57] <grazie> hyper_ch: maybe later
[02:58] <pampa> ok guys (grazie, are you female?)
[02:58] <grazie> pampa: no
[02:58] <pampa> ok,so it's: ok guys :p
[02:58] <grazie> ciao
[02:58] <pampa> i'm going to take a shower
[02:59] <pampa> thanks for all the data
[02:59] <pampa> i'm gonna come back with more info 'bout how it was
[02:59] <pampa> hoping it works!!!
[03:00] <pampa> bye bye
[03:00] <pampa> see you later
[04:12] <somerville32> Xubuntu meeting started in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:17] <hyper_ch> somerville32: what's that?
[04:18] <somerville32> It is where we discuss Xubuntu stuff - development, packages, iso testing, artwork, etc. etc.
[04:18] <somerville32> You're welcome to join us
[04:18] <hyper_ch> why ubuntu-meeting and not xubuntu-meeting?
[04:19] <duglas> what time on Wednesday's ... I am usually at work at this time
[05:18] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:21] <somerville32> hi
[05:30] <silya> Hi all! When I login on my PC through vnc xfce4session starts, but then "Keyboard layout Switcher" sisappears and I add him by hand again. What is the problem?
[05:31] <silya> disappears
[05:31] <Jester45> bug maybe or it might crash for some reason
[05:40] <sha1sum> hey all... great stuff you guys have going here...
[05:41] <sha1sum> I do have one suggestion for your post-install boot-to-HDD:
[05:41] <sha1sum> if the usbhid kernel mod is not set to run at boot, it might be a good idea
[05:42] <sha1sum> I just had no input devices ;) ended up having to cold poweroff and plug in a ps2
[05:42] <somerville32> hehe :)
[05:43] <sha1sum> not only this, but I'm also using a USB KVM switch
[05:43] <sha1sum> so maybe I was doing stuff on my other system when the hardware detection process was doing its thing
[05:44] <sha1sum> not sure how you would prevent these sorts of things, but if it does autodetect USB HID devices to specify the running of the module, maybe some documentation is needed to leave all devices connected to the install machine while it runs
[05:44] <sha1sum> but in all actuality (as you more than likely know), the usbhid module does not use many resources at all
[05:45] <sha1sum> might be a good idea just to default it
[06:03] <sha1sum> so how do I submit an official request for this?
[06:04] <sha1sum> wait a minute
[06:04] <sha1sum> lemme check common questions
[06:04] <sha1sum> lol
[06:06] <superkirbyartist> (test)
[06:07] <superkirbyartist> Hello.
[06:07] <superkirbyartist> I am trying to adjust colors on my monitor.
[06:07] <superkirbyartist> Can someone help me please?
[06:08] <sha1sum> are you in text mode or graphical mode?
[06:09] <superkirbyartist> Graphical mode.
[06:10] <dakar> witam
[06:11] <dakar> jaki polecacie odtwarzacz konsolowy ??? pod mpd
[06:11] <dakar> ta wogole jest tu kto??
[06:15] <sha1sum> hahaha
[06:15] <sha1sum> :D
[06:15] <superkirbyartist> Shalsum?
[06:15] <superkirbyartist> It's an iMac monitor.
[06:17] <superkirbyartist> Can you help me please?
[06:18] <superkirbyartist> Anyone can help me calibrate monitor?
[06:18] <grazie> superkirbyartist: what's wrong with the colours?
[06:19] <superkirbyartist> Grazie: Wrong colors appear everywhere.  Example: Virgin moble logo is blue.
[06:19] <superkirbyartist> Gaim is blue too.
[06:19] <superkirbyartist> The Firefox fox is blue.
[06:19] <grazie> superkirbyartist: G3 iMac?
[06:19] <superkirbyartist> Yes.
[06:20] <grazie> superkirbyartist: X config on G3 iMacs can be tricky. I'll see if I can find you a link
[06:21] <superkirbyartist> Thank you grazie.
[06:23] <hyper_ch> somerville32: here?
[06:23] <somerville32> yup
[06:23] <hyper_ch> can't you try to get vmware to work in feisty?
[06:23] <grazie> superkirbyartist: try this >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=350291&highlight=x+imac
[06:24] <grazie> hyper_ch: I thought you liked virtualbox?
[06:25] <hyper_ch> grazie: the problem with vbox is that it doesn't fully support the swiss german keyboard layout
[06:25] <grazie> k
[06:25] <grazie> hyper_ch: that seems odd though
[06:39] <blizz> for the love of god, *why* is the hd-media image a compressed 256M partition when it's supposed to hold a 600M cd iso? :P (for usb stick install)
[06:41] <hyper_ch> hmmm, skype is keeping freezing my xubuntu :(
[06:42] <hyper_ch> grazie: still here?
[06:42] <grazie> yes
[06:42] <hyper_ch> well, I can't type that:  $.-_:!^~` with vbox
[06:42] <hyper_ch> as well as this {}[]
[06:43] <hyper_ch> and the numeric pad doesn't work either for the SG keyboard layout
[06:45] <grazie> i thought vbox would use whatever is already available...maybe there config isn't quite right....it seems odd to me as thought there were many German devs & users
[06:46] <hyper_ch> grazie: they use somehow the wine thing... I told them already but it's not on their priority list
[06:46] <hyper_ch> that's the pity for me about vbox... it's really better than vmware but when I can't use those keys :(
[08:04] <grazie> !seen maxamillion
[08:07] <hyper_ch> grazie: have you tried usb devices yet on vbox?
[08:07] <grazie> hyper_ch: no
[08:07] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[08:08] <hyper_ch> problem is my contacts from my palm aren't properly transferred to kontact
[08:09] <hyper_ch> so I thought I could put it to outlook
[08:09] <hyper_ch> then use outlook to sync with egroupware
[08:09] <hyper_ch> and use contact to sync again with egroupware :)
[08:11] <Jester45> how do you check drive fragmentation
[08:12] <hyper_ch> !fragmentation
[08:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fragmentation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:12] <hyper_ch> Jester45: is that necessary on linux
[08:12] <Jester45> and yes i know linux doesnt need it must
[08:12] <jdrake> heh
[08:13] <Jester45> i would like to see how fragmented my drive is still
[08:13] <hyper_ch> :)
[08:13] <hyper_ch> ask the local gurus :)
[08:13] <jdrake> If it is said that drive defragmentation is not necessary on linux, then wouldn't that statement need to be testable by determining how much fragmentation is on the drive and how said fragmentation impacts performance?
[08:14] <Jester45> jdrake: ?? it impacts it a little but not nearly like windows
[08:14] <hyper_ch> jdrake: as long as you have 20% or more free diskspace linux will arrange the files in whole chunks
[08:15] <jdrake> I have never personally had a problem I would associate to it, but testable it should be before statements of claim are made.
[08:15] <hyper_ch> jdrake: some gurus told me so :)
[08:15] <jdrake> ah, appeal to authority :p
[08:15] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Works if it's not a false authority.
[08:15] <hyper_ch> jdrake: if they know what they are talk about :)
[08:16] <jdrake> hyper_ch, non-testable because of unknown people
[08:16] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Which, in this case, is mostly true since ext3 is designed to not fragment files.
[08:16] <jdrake> I recall fsck used to give info on fragmentation
[08:16] <jdrake> It would typically be 0.9% i believe
[08:16] <Jester45> yea thats it
[08:17] <Jester45> i wa trying ckfs
[08:17] <jdrake> Could anyone verify that xfmedia freezes if an item in its playlist is suddenly not in the file system location it expected anymore? (say by renaming a directory)
[08:18] <Jester45> jdrake: no i should normaly skip that entry to the playlist
[08:18] <Jester45> it*
[08:18] <jdrake> One might think so, but it didn't
[08:19] <Jester45> it does on drapper
[08:19] <jdrake> Me no use dapper :p
[08:19] <jdrake> I must test out my updated fglrx, brb
[08:21] <hyper_ch> anyone knows how to change the icon set (rabies wants to know)
[08:25] <grazie> RE: icons sets...download the set wanted and recommend extracting to ~/,icons
[08:26] <hyper_ch> rabies: see?
[08:26] <rabies> cool, thanx
[08:27] <grazie> rabies: then launch Applications > Settings > User Interface Settings ... and select from Icon Theme tab
[08:30] <jdrake> Well, fglrx doesn't yet work
[08:31] <jdrake> (EE) fglrx(0): GART is not initialized, disabling DRI
[08:38] <jdrake> Have you guys heard of an /sbin/lrm-video before?
[09:03] <Jester45> i got 4 packages that are held back from upgrading they are: linux-headers-386 linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic and linux-restricted-modues0generic
[09:03] <Jester45> how can i upgrade these? are they they kernels?
[09:04] <Jester45> and i think i have a 686 how can i get that kernel? and how can i check on if i have a i686
[09:21] <PuMpErNiCkEl> -686 was merged into -generic for Edgy.
[09:21] <Jester45> ok
[09:22] <Jester45> how would i upgrade it then
[09:22] <PuMpErNiCkEl> Find out why they're being held back and fix it. ^^
[09:23] <Jester45> well i dont know what
[09:23] <Jester45> why
[09:24] <PuMpErNiCkEl> What are you upgrading from/to?
[09:24] <Jester45> just trying to get them upgraded
[09:26] <PuMpErNiCkEl> What version are you upgrading from, and what version are you upgrading to?
[09:51] <Cyban1> How do you make Xubuntu boot to  text login and not a graphical login?
[09:52] <somerville32> Disable gdm from starting at boot
[09:54] <hyper_ch> somerville32: do you know why I can't install the newest kernel?
[09:54] <hyper_ch> The following packages have been kept back:
[09:54] <hyper_ch>   linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[09:54] <hyper_ch> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[09:58] <Cyban1> why can't i su to root in the default install?
[09:59] <Cyban1> or can i use sudo to change the root password?
[10:00] <grazie> hyper_ch: there's been quite a few problems with the kernel packages for about a week to 10 days
[10:01] <hyper_ch> grazie: thx
[10:07] <Cyban1> how do i remove xfce and all it's deps?
[10:09] <Cyban1> I like ubuntu but just want their verison of debian without the "extras"
[10:10] <s|g> re
[10:32] <icicled> openoffice has some huge fonts under xubuntu
[10:32] <icicled> there a fix/
[10:32] <icicled> ?
[10:43] <s|g> icicled: only in oo.org ?
[10:59] <q_> hi all, i'm using XFCE <IP_ADDRESS> (Xfce 4.4 BETA2) and when i restarted got this error "Starting without administrative privileges" and i lost the right click mouse button menu and the background image, anybody know why?
[11:00] <q_> pleaseeeeeee
[11:03] <nalioth> no patience at all . . . .
[11:06] <Prisoner_> hello
[11:07] <Prisoner_> what's going on?
[11:10] <jdrake> Going through my music collection
[11:10] <Prisoner_> that's cool
[11:10] <jdrake> Trying to recover from a 17gb music collection and banshee.
[11:10] <jdrake> The delete button is my favourite
[11:11] <Prisoner_> ok
[11:11] <icicled> fun
[11:11] <icicled> i'm trying to get openoffice to stop sucking
[11:11] <icicled> but no luck so far: http://imagebin.org/7325
[11:11] <jdrake> What do you dislike?
[11:11] <Prisoner_> I've been planning my Dual boot with XUbuntu for a couple of weeks, maybe I'll actually get around to it this weekend
[11:12] <icicled> jdrake, check out the screenshot then tell me :P
[11:12] <jdrake> Well, the font sizes are way too big
[11:12] <icicled> Prisoner_, it is the weekend
[11:12] <icicled> yes exactly
[11:12] <icicled> i need to fix the damn problem
[11:12] <Prisoner_> I know, but hard tof ind the time
[11:12] <icicled> no luck so far
[11:12] <jdrake> Firefox almost has a similar problem
[11:12] <icicled> firefox is easy, all you do is tell it to use smaller fonts
[11:13] <icicled> in openoffice, there's no such thing (that i know of)
[11:13] <Prisoner_> I need to work uniterupted but with my spouse constantly wanting to do home improvement projects, it isn't easy to get such a thing
[11:13] <icicled> heh
[11:13] <icicled> it is a home improvement though
[11:13] <Prisoner_> lol
[11:14] <Prisoner_> been hearing too much bad stuff about Vista
[11:14] <icicled> its annoying
[11:14] <icicled> not much else
[11:15] <Prisoner_> the latest thing I heard on Vista is it needs 2GB in the real world to work, 1gb RAM won't cut it
[11:16] <Prisoner_> really need to get on with it
[11:17] <icicled> yea, 2gb is recommended
[11:17] <icicled> 1gb is kinda the minimum req
[11:17] <Prisoner_> I only have 512mb
[11:17] <dev1> In vimtutor tutor.ru has koi8-r charset by default. iconv fix the problem. please note that
[11:17] <icicled> well for aero interface anyway
[11:17] <Prisoner_> 1.583AMD Sempron
[11:17] <dev1> where I can write about it? is it a bug?
[11:17] <Prisoner_> hmmm
[11:18] <icicled> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[11:19] <dev1> I am happy with xfce :) My home pc return to life :)
[11:19] <dev1> and with xubuntu
[11:20] <jdrake> The question I have - will xfce continue to 'grow' with computer hardware
[11:27] <icicled> i sure hope so
[11:28] <icicled> well for now it uses some gnome services to do its hardware handling
[11:28] <icicled> i wish it wouldn't
[11:28] <icicled> but whatever
[11:29] <jdrake> When I mean grow, I mean become less usable on existing systems.
[11:29] <jdrake> Software is like a gas, it tends to expand to its container
[11:29] <icicled> =]
[11:29] <icicled> i'd say it definitely will happen
[11:30] <icicled> in general it will
[11:30] <slow-motion> n8
[11:30] <icicled> to achieve greater things w/software it becomes more complex
[11:30] <icicled> thus needs more cpu/ram/fast hd/etc
[11:31] <icicled> but sometimes people just create bad software in general
[11:32] <icicled> in python you can create a p2p client in less than 100 lines of code (not very good but you can)
[11:32] <icicled> try doing the same in c++ or c
[11:32] <icicled> dev. time would be way longer
[11:32] <icicled> but the end result you will get something equal to or better
[11:32] <icicled> time is a factor nowadays
[11:33] <icicled> the thinking is that if you have the resources why not use them
[11:33] <icicled> it should be: if you have resources use them efficiently :P
[11:33] <icicled> but figuring out how to use it efficiently takes time :P
[11:34] <jdrake> icicled, I disagree with the C++/C example. The result could be just as bad or worse easily.
[11:34] <icicled> jdrake, it could be yes
[11:34] <icicled> in the end you can always blame the user/consumer by saying hey, they wanted it done fast
[11:34] <jdrake> In the free software world, the consumer is not always the primary consideration.
[11:35] <icicled> yea well, that's what you think :P
[11:35] <icicled> think about why ubuntu took off the ground
[11:35] <icicled> they made it easier for people to use
[11:35] <icicled> its as simple as that
[11:36] <jdrake> Definitely, but they primarily use software already written, only a small portion is new.
[11:36] <icicled> no doubt, but the glue that makes everything easier to use is whats important
[11:37] <jdrake> In that specific case the goal is the person at the end.
[11:37] <icicled> a good installer which doesn't make the user feel like a moron (esp if they don't know a lot about computers)
[11:38] <icicled> then programs labeled w/simple names like 'music player' or 'video player'
[11:38] <icicled> not xmms / xine
[11:38] <icicled> all the simple little details are what count
[11:38] <jdrake> My favourite installer was the one for system 7.5
[11:39] <jdrake> Not too many questions asked, hardly any infact.
[11:39] <icicled> =]
[11:39] <icicled> what good would xmms be if the user didn't know wtf it was and what it did
[11:39] <icicled> anyway
[11:40] <icicled> that's why ubuntu has this quote: 'human experience' (or something like that)
[11:40] <jdrake> I have noticed a few bugs in xfmedia, not show stoppers mind you.
[11:40] <icicled> bugs are everywhere :)
[11:40] <jdrake> My biggest annoyance so far in general is that you can't alt-tab while dragging something like you can in windows.
[11:40] <icicled> you just can't see many of them
[11:40] <dev1> ubuntu i18n team works with xubuntu traslation too or not?
[11:41] <jdrake> I also have the capability to fix some.
[11:41] <icicled> silya, i think its mainly done at the xfce4 team
[11:41] <icicled> but if they need to add a few things i'm sure they do
[11:41] <silya> heh
[11:41] <icicled> you can always grab the source and find out =]
[11:42] <silya> I see that many apps not traslated
[11:42] <icicled> silya, a lot of apps aren't
[11:42] <icicled> only 'popular' apps are :P
[11:42] <icicled> gaim being one of them
[11:42] <Sharn> Hm?
[11:43] <silya> I think if xubuntu want's to be everywhere everuthing must be translated!
[11:43] <silya> ^)
[11:43] <Sharn> Well, translate then. =P
[11:43] <Sharn> Alot of us only know english, you know.
[11:44] <silya> If my mummy runs Gnumeric and see English she will run so fast as she can from pc with ubuntu :)
[11:44] <silya> But
[11:44] <silya> I saw trasnlated gnumeric...
[11:44] <silya> hmmm
[11:44] <silya> bug?
[11:44] <silya> or hands?
[11:46] <icicled> =]
[11:46] <silya> xfce-screenshot not translated! :$
[11:46] <silya> :)
[11:47] <silya> In xubuntu: program button "applications" on english! in-menu components in russian. interesting...
[11:47] <icicled> you can help them :P
[11:49] <silya> Heh, when I read such as: "Ass hole, give us 100 updates and then we will talk with you". In this situsation I just wanna say "POSHEL NA HUJ!"
[11:49] <silya> russian unstraslatable words :)
[11:49] <jdrake> Do we have an app that can do a 'mass translation' of one format to another?
[11:49] <jdrake> music format
[11:55] <silya> Bye all! Good night! 00:58 AM in Ukraine :)


[08:30] <dholbach> good morning
[11:45] <czajkowski> ogra_: I hate to be apain but - http://ubuntuone.com/3Hmktiws4Z1qhaXs35B5PL
[11:45] <czajkowski> have rebooted it 4 times still stuck here any ideas?
[11:46] <ogra_> czajkowski, have you checked the a11y settings ?
[11:46] <czajkowski> ogra_: I cant get the dash up
[11:46] <ogra_> use the ceg
[11:47] <czajkowski> when I click on the big ubuntu bittn it just gives the icon text dash home so cant change any settings
[11:47] <czajkowski> ceg?
[11:47] <ogra_> use the menu on the top right :)
[11:47] <ogra_> the gear
[11:47] <czajkowski> all frozen :(
[11:47] <czajkowski> each reboot still leaves it on the page to enter in my wifi code
[11:47] <ogra_> try to cancel the wlan dialog, could be that it grabs the focus
[11:48] <czajkowski> narp :(
[11:48] <ogra_> you mean it doesnt take any input there either ?
[11:48] <ogra_> (for the cancel button)
[11:48] <czajkowski> nope wont cancel it
[11:48] <czajkowski> nothing seems to want to close for me
[11:49] <ogra_> that sounds like a completely frozen xserver
[11:50] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:50] <czajkowski> bit of a pita :(
[11:50] <ogra_> when was that installed ?
[11:50] <ogra_> recent images have a serial console running on the usb port
[11:50] <czajkowski> few months back
[11:50] <czajkowski> before xmas
[11:50] <ogra_> hmm, not sure when i added that
[11:52] <ogra_> you could try to plug it into a PC and check demsg for creation of something like /dev/ttyUSB0
[11:52] <czajkowski> ok cheers will do when I get a lull in work
[11:52] <czajkowski> thanks ogra_
[11:53] <czajkowski> need to fix it by fosdem times as dont wnat to lug laptop
[11:53] <ogra_> with the working rotation and todays xorg fix its nearly usable
[12:08] <janimo> FYI the Tegra3 Technical Reference Manual seems to be available in the nvidia dev zone/tegra dev programme. I just noticed today, it may be old news
[12:09] <janimo>  the realtek sound codec on the nexus7 has no public datasheet though
[12:10] <czajkowski> something hates me :( http://ubuntuone.com/0S97eFdCGOGC1Dk6mEeFlZ
[12:24] <ogra_> janimo, well, there must be something in pm-suspend that makes it work, i wonder if some sub modules are unloaded and re-loaded ...
[12:25] <ogra_> havent found the time to inspect what the scripts do
[12:25]  * ogra_ just uploaded onboard changes ... we now have proper docking in place
[12:25] <ogra_> and the power button will suspend by default
[12:26] <ogra_> janimo, did you upgrade to latest xorg already ? it makes input work in portrait
[12:48] <janimo> ogra_, did not upgrade yet today, looking forward to test the new x stuff though
[12:49] <ogra_> the "button 1 gets stuck" issue is still there
[12:49] <ogra_> but portrait works the same way as landscape now
[12:49] <janimo> I have been looking at the sound/suspend issue yesterday, no progess though, just seeing the different register values, comparing to android and staring at the code
[12:50] <janimo> ogra_, the button stuck issue is our showstopper
[12:51] <ogra_> well, i'm busy adding the preseeding stuff to the installer ... once i'm done with that i'll take the time to look into what pm-utils does
[12:51] <ogra_> i think it unloads many of the snd_ modules
[12:51] <ogra_> if we could mimic that behavior on first boot it might or might not work :)
[12:52] <ogra_> eeek, MS buys dell !
[12:58] <lilstevie> hm
[12:58] <lilstevie> ogra_: nasty
[12:58] <RaYmAn> isn't it only rumors still? And probably only a relatively small part
[12:59] <ogra_> i just read news that it was a done deal
[12:59] <RaYmAn> got a link?
[12:59] <ogra_> only german
[12:59] <Rjs> I noticed some touchscreen&grab-related patches in the xorg-devel list a few days ago, I wonder if they would be enough to fix the "button gets stuck" issue? (I don't know enough of the details to know...) http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg.devel/34653
[13:01] <ogra_> RaYmAn, happy google translate :P http://www.golem.de/news/windows-lizenzen-microsoft-will-milliardenanteil-an-dell-kaufen-1301-97090.html
[13:04] <marvin24> " ... licenses for future tablets" ?
[13:05] <marvin24> I though Dell announces to quit tablet and smartphone business
[13:05] <marvin24> *thought
[13:05] <lilstevie> marvin24: android tablet
[13:05] <marvin24> ah, we failed in a booming market - let's try some dead end one?
[13:06] <marvin24> janimo: I started to package a 3.8 kernel for tegras
[13:06] <marvin24> how do I add modules to the ABI ?
[13:06] <janimo> ogra_, our sound is not modular, so unlikely it is due to module reloading
[13:07] <janimo> marvin24, adding modules? Does it error on build?
[13:07] <marvin24> (sorry for the dumb question)
[13:07] <marvin24> janimo: yes,
[13:07] <marvin24> it compares module file from old abi
[13:07] <marvin24> and fails, because new abi has different modules
[13:07] <janimo> marvin24, you should just add an ignore.modules or modules.ignore (I always forget) file
[13:07] <janimo> let me check
[13:08] <marvin24> I think this is defined already, but I'll also check again
[13:08] <janimo> I wish there was a global 'Never check ABI GTFO' option on kernel builds
[13:08] <marvin24> there is a ignore.abi
[13:08] <janimo> and always just bump ABI by default, as it is the case almost always in my experience
[13:09] <janimo> touch abi/3.5.0-17.27/armhf/ignore.module
[13:09] <janimo> but use the actual current ABI dir
[13:09] <marvin24> janimo: ok, thanks - will give it a try
[13:10] <janimo> I am here if you have further questions and glad you work on this. It would be great to have a 3.8 tegra kernel in the archives
[13:10] <janimo> and switch ac100 to it
[13:10] <marvin24> well, it should run on any tegra2 or tegra3 device
[13:10] <marvin24> if you tell u-boot the correct device tree
[13:10] <janimo> right, but test on ac100 first as we have the device and the developer :)
[13:10] <marvin24> sure ;-)
[13:11] <marvin24> janimo: btw, is it possible to build a kernel package on launchpad - I read something about a 4 hours limit ...
[13:11] <janimo> marvin24, it should be possible but I don't know if there are public armhf builders
[13:12] <janimo> I know I used to test on an internal PPA
[13:12] <janimo> ogra_, ^ ?
[13:12] <marvin24> well, I already build some packages for arm ...
[13:12] <ogra_> czajkowski, ^^^
[13:12] <marvin24> he he, that's done already
[13:12] <janimo> ah ok then. I did not know about time limit, although 4 hours usually was enough for panda and ac100 kernels AFAIK
[13:12] <marvin24> https://launchpad.net/~ac100/+archive/ppa
[13:13] <czajkowski> ogra_: you pinged
[13:13] <marvin24> I just don't want to fall from grace
[13:13] <janimo> nice.
[13:13] <marvin24> czajkowski: all ok
[13:13] <czajkowski> grand
[13:14] <marvin24> czajkowski: is it ok to build a kernel package on armhf
[13:14] <janimo> marvin24, neh just try and if there's a limit we should bump it up instead of penalizing the uploader
[13:14] <janimo> there may be limits so the ppa is not hogged but a kernel build is a desirable use-case
[13:14] <marvin24> I was told not to upload package which run more than 4 hours, that's why I ask
[13:14] <czajkowski> marvin24: it's not on my list of not to enable - but as long as it's not more than 10 builds and greater than 4 hours
[13:15] <janimo> marvin24, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ac100/3.1.10-6.10/+build/3962084
[13:15] <janimo> slightly over 2 hours
[13:15] <czajkowski> https://dev.launchpad.net/CommunityARMBuilds
[13:15] <marvin24> janimo: that's not a complete kernel I think
[13:16] <janimo> you mean not completely configured ubuntu kernel?
[13:16] <marvin24> yes, maybe many modules missing
[13:16] <janimo> right, ac100 does not have full ubuntu configs
[13:16] <marvin24> it takes one hour on my dual core 2.6 GHz machine
[13:16] <marvin24> I just used the omap config ...
[13:16] <janimo> maybe a ti-omap4 build is more relevant
[13:17] <marvin24> and also enabled PCI (which omap doesn't have as it seems)
[13:17] <janimo> czajkowski, does that mean the ARM builds are not automatic based on a dput but need to be manually requested for each upload?
[13:18]  * marvin24 still doesn't get why we need to enable all possible modules instead of all useful ones
[13:18] <janimo> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4046784
[13:18] <janimo> yes over 4h
[13:19] <janimo> the PPA builder you linked to currently builds an origen kernel and it is past the 3 h mark. So building kernels should be doable there
[13:19] <marvin24> janimo: AFAIK, the ppa needs to be enabled one time
[13:20] <janimo> marvin24, if a module is really unlikely to get used on the ac100 feel free to disable
[13:20] <marvin24> I meant in general
[13:20] <janimo> we started with minimal but a lot of USB and network options are required for various people's corner cases
[13:20] <marvin24> e.g. you don't need all the regulators and mfd which are specific for each soc
[13:20] <janimo> and since it is a module it does not affect those who do not used them, just build time
[13:21] <janimo> right, if some options do not make sense they should not be there indeed
[13:21] <janimo> hw support for impossible setups
[13:23]  * marvin24 didn't count how many kWh he wasted already for building useless modules where the packaging failed in the end
[15:26] <xnox> ogra_: do we have serial number patters or device models ids for nexus-ses to destinguish 8/16/3g models?
[15:27] <ogra_> xnox, yeah, ask vanhoof or mfisch, i think they figured them out for the zenity installer
[15:27] <xnox> ogra_: ok. I'll just poke the source then ;-)
[15:27] <ogra_> you can request info via fastboot
[15:28] <mfisch> xnox: vanhoof did all that magic, but I think he used the partition info
[15:29] <xnox> mfisch: sounds about right.
[15:29] <xnox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1563337/
[15:30] <xnox> ogra_: mfisch: fastboot getvar all output for my nexus7
[15:30] <ogra_> right, just grab the userdata partition and de-hex the size
[15:31] <mfisch> yep
[17:07] <ptl> hello :)
[18:08] <Wing_Z> Hi all
[18:08] <Wing_Z> eny body could please lend me a hand obout pinmuxing on omap4?
[19:01] <thoomaas> hello
[19:02] <vhadil> hello
[19:02] <thoomaas> i have problem with playing mp3 in raspbian
[19:03] <thoomaas> omxplayer work but nothing else
[19:03] <XorA> raspbian is not ubuntu
[19:04] <thoomaas> i know but no body answer to me in another rooms
[19:04] <XorA> I dont know the answer, dont have a Pi
[19:09] <Noskcaj> are there install instructions for ubuntu on nexus somewhere?
[19:10] <Tassadar> Noskcaj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[19:10] <Noskcaj> thanks