[00:21] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well everyone.
[02:14] <multiHYP> hi guys
[02:15] <multiHYP> where is the file that is preloading my terminals with certain environment variables?
[02:17] <multiHYP> anybody awake and know the answer?
[02:24] <ali1234> /etc/environment
[02:24] <multiHYP> cheets ali
[02:25] <ali1234> also /etc/profile
[02:25] <multiHYP> so which one?
[02:25] <ali1234> both
[02:25] <multiHYP> mostly for logged in user, cause i don't have admin permission
[02:25] <ali1234> ~/.profile
[02:28] <multiHYP> yes that seems the right one
[02:30] <multiHYP> if vnc is installed on the linux machine, where is it and how can i lunch it? i am logged into it remotely via ssh...
[02:31] <multiHYP> *launch
[02:31] <multiHYP> :D
[02:31] <ali1234> if it was installed it would be in the path
[02:32] <multiHYP> like the result of $ env   ?
[08:39] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:42] <AlanBell> Debian have released a new version http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2011/msg00001.html
[08:53] <Jora> hi
[09:27] <mattt> alanbell: nice!
[09:56] <jonsaint> hi all. im trying to install an exe file which lets me manage my phone via my pc but its saying something about the 'executable bit'. anyone got any ideas??
[10:04] <jonsaint> hi all. anyone about to help??
[10:31] <jonsaint> hi all. anyone about to help???
[10:43] <AlanBell> my debian torrent is done
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> that took 2 hours?! :P
[10:50] <AlanBell> um, no don't think so
[10:51] <AlanBell> I went shopping
[10:53]  * MartijnVdS went running
[11:07] <Myrtti> boo.
[11:07] <Myrtti> D left for UK
[11:08]  * MartijnVdS disables compiz so everything works again
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. drag&drop, window snapping)
[11:33] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[12:09]  * MartijnVdS doesn't like the state natty is in
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> with everything crashing left and right
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> seemingly randomly
[12:10] <brobostigon> :(
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> :'( even
[12:11] <brobostigon> i found a working, cyanogenmod 7/android 2.3 build, for my htc dream last night, and other than one random restart, it hs been working fine.
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> isn't it slow?
[12:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: its slow in places, but overall pretty smooth and quick.
[12:17] <brobostigon> onlyplace where its slow, is when minimising an app, back to desktop.
[12:17]  * MartijnVdS waits for the official update on nexus one :(
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> speculation is that there's a data leak bug
[12:18] <brobostigon> everywhere else, there seems to be improvements.
[12:19] <brobostigon> hmm. :(
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/jiang/nexuss.html
[12:20]  * brobostigon kicks androids standerd keyboard for its memeory use, and installs swype.
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> hmm fresh darjeeling
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> Does this work outside the Netherlands? http://3voor12.vpro.nl/speler/luisterpaal/44438012#luisterpaal.44438012
[12:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: its trying to load.
[12:22] <brobostigon> loaded.
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> does it stream audiO?
[12:22] <brobostigon> i cant try right now, sorry.
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> np :)
[12:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i havent found any serious breakage yet, but i hve learnt to do a nand backup, just incase, i need to roll back.
[12:30] <brobostigon> next test will be going to the pub, and testing battery life and usage.
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> going to the pub is always the best test ;)
[12:34] <brobostigon> agreed, and especially here, old thick stone walls, so patchy signal reception.
[12:34] <czajkowski> Peeka boo
[12:34] <brobostigon> afternoonings czajkowski
[12:34] <czajkowski> brobostigon: hiya
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> \o
[12:36] <AlanBell> how is fosdem today?
[12:36] <OmNomSequitur> We don't know.
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> OmNomSequitur: ?
[12:36] <brobostigon> i have heard loads about the haiku-os stand,
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: does that link I posted earlier work for you? with sound streaming?
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://3voor12.vpro.nl/speler/luisterpaal/44438012#luisterpaal.44438012
[13:13] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ does this work?
[13:14] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yes, that works
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: cool, thanks
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you can use it to listen to new albums for about one week each (part of Dutch public broadcasting)
[13:26] <popey> Morning all!
[13:26] <popey> ish
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[13:26] <Pendulum> hi popey
[13:27] <popey> I appear to have arrived home from a party with two more computers than I left with
[13:27] <Pendulum> :)
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: "Please fix this for me" notes attached?
[13:27] <popey> no
[13:27] <popey> "please take these computers away"
[13:27] <popey> one is an ex-mythtv front/backend
[13:29] <AlanBell> popey: you know it was a good party when you wake up next to a computer you don't recognise
[13:29] <popey> :)
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: unless your other computer sees  you
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> No compiz. When I click on the edge of a terminal window by mistake, I don't want to make it one column smaller
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> http://j.mp/fb0Jkm
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> popey: and one for you: http://j.mp/ieNQY2
[13:48] <dogmatic69> i have a open source cms thingy that ive been building and looking to jack up the security. i figured the best way to do this is to post somewhere that it is imposible to hack :D
[13:49] <dogmatic69> what can i do on the server side to make it like a sandbox type environment so people dont break the server?
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: that's very hard
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: it's easier to have a few trusted "experts" have a go first
[13:50] <dogmatic69> im thinking maybe just a small slice account that if they do hack, it does not matter
[13:50]  * dwatkins returns from shopping having noted that compuers aren't any faster than they were 2 years ago
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: http://ha.ckers.org/xss.html
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: they have twice/four times as many cores though
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: http://ferruh.mavituna.com/sql-injection-cheatsheet-oku/
[13:51] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: indeed, but that's the only way they seem to be improving
[13:51] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: i dont belive you, i just bought a i3 + 4gigs 430gt (low end) and its compareable to my quad core 8 gigs with 9800 gt (high end at the time)
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (but you're using prepared statements and a proper ORM, aren't you?)
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> uhr dogmatic69 ^
[13:52] <dogmatic69> i belive a i9 would wipe the floor with my quad core i got now
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: they also do more per cycle.. so the number isn't growing, but the "number of things done" is
[13:52] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: prepared statements?
[13:52] <dwatkins> ah ok, that's hidden improvements, then MartijnVdS
[13:53]  * dwatkins wonders where to learn more and looks i7 etc. up on wikipedia
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: trying to think of some possible attack vectors of dogmatic69's system.. SQL injection is one :)
[13:53] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: im using cakephp, so something like that. its very escaped etc. i would bet money that you cant do a sql injection
[13:53] <dogmatic69> dogmatic69.com go right ahead :)
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: looks nice
[13:54] <dwatkins> attack vectors? what kind of system is this?
[13:54] <dogmatic69> my os app?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: web app
[13:54] <dwatkins> a LAMP server?
[13:54] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: ive fixed one xss thing that i found
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: check that cheat sheet regularly, new kinds are found sometimes :)
[13:55] <dogmatic69> its lamp, but not a package thing.. installed with apt-get php mysql-sever cherokee etc
[13:55] <dwatkins> do you have denyhosts, dogmatic69?
[13:56] <dwatkins> (assuming there's a listening ssh server)
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> denyhosts or fail2ban
[13:56]  * MartijnVdS likes fail2ban because it can do other daemons as well
[13:56] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: ssh is enabled, but im talking more from the php side. you cant brute force it
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> (disable HTTP access when it sees too many errors from a given host)
[13:56] <dwatkins> you can't?
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> it's php, of course you can :P
[13:57] <dwatkins> if there's any bugs in php which allow buffer overruns or anything like that, you're potentially open to attack
[13:57] <dogmatic69> nope, i got some rules to ban ip's when there is to many bad logins
[13:57] <dwatkins> check the latest security bulletins
[13:57] <dogmatic69> well that i cant help, talking more about *my* code in the app
[13:57] <dwatkins> What if someone snoops someone's login, dogmatic69?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> https, SSH key-based login \o;/
[13:57] <dogmatic69> that has nothing to do with my code
[13:57] <dwatkins> i.e. could they do damage to other people's stuff?
[13:58] <dogmatic69> thats just silly people using unprotected wifi and not looking for firesheep or whatever
[13:58] <dwatkins> doesn't mean it won't happen
[13:59] <dogmatic69> well there is no php app that will protect against that
[13:59] <dwatkins> I'm just suggesting that if you've implemented usernames, you should ensure that a single user can't do any damage to anything but their own data
[14:03] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:03] <dogmatic69> that is taken care of mostly
[14:03] <dogmatic69> just found a xss :/
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: by looking through the cheat sheet?
[14:03] <dogmatic69> yip
[14:04] <popey> haha MartijnVdS
[14:04] <dogmatic69> only upto the second one :(
[14:20] <czajkowski> howdy
[14:23] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[14:24] <popey> lo
[14:24] <czajkowski> more beer
[14:24] <czajkowski> :D
[14:26] <jacobw> afternoon
[14:51] <czajkowski> Geeks here are running fireSheep and bad bad things are happening
[14:51] <Azelphur> lol
[14:52] <Azelphur> all your base are belong to firesheep.
[14:52] <AlanBell> czajkowski: are you not the ringleader this time?
[14:52] <penguin42> perhaps I'll try updating my debian vm when ftp.uk.debian.org has some bandwidth again
[14:53] <czajkowski> nope
[14:53] <czajkowski> the bad company I'm keeping these days
[15:02] <dwatkins> I am scared of firesheep's capabilities.
[15:02] <czajkowski> indeed
[15:02] <dwatkins> Granted, it's just exposing a security flaw, but stil.
[15:03] <dwatkins> also: still
[15:03] <jacobw> Does it run on Linux yet?
[15:03] <dwatkins> Not yet, apparently.
[15:28] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: a flaw that has been around since internet started just about :)
[15:29] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: fair enough, but it now really needs fixing, it appears
[15:29] <dogmatic69> yes
[15:29] <dogmatic69> its just another 'script kiddie' tool now
[15:29] <dwatkins> I imagine it wasn't a problem a long time ago, much like telnet.
[15:30] <dogmatic69> all the hardcore hackers are using it ;)
[15:30] <lazarus_> hehe
[15:30] <dwatkins> I'm sure they are, yes. I wouldn't dare login in an internet cafe nowadays.
[15:30] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:30] <dwatkins> I'd probably use an ssh tunnel even on wifi I don't completely trust.
[15:30] <dogmatic69> i cant find free wifi anyhow
[15:31] <dwatkins> Go to a coffee shop ;)
[15:31] <dogmatic69> got unlimited 3g also
[15:31] <dwatkins> wow, how did you get that, dogmatic69?
[15:31] <dogmatic69> 02
[15:31] <dogmatic69> o2
[15:31] <dogmatic69> on my phone
[15:32] <dogmatic69> which remotely resembles a laptop :)
[15:32] <dwatkins> Ah, so you have 500 MB a month, then.
[15:32] <Pendulum> dogmatic69: have you read the fine print? even 'unlimited' usually has a limit (as a friend on o2 has discovered)
[15:32] <dwatkins> I'm moving to Three, as they offer a Gigabyte a month.
[15:33] <dogmatic69> Pendulum: yip, but i never reach that... i have *real* unlimited at home and work
[15:33] <dogmatic69> + 20mb line at home
[15:33] <dogmatic69> BT ftw
[15:34] <lazarus_> virgin ftw btw
[16:47] <HazRPG> \o
[16:54] <jacobw> o/
[17:11] <dwatkins> BT are terrible in my experience - my Virgin hardware failed once, BT's hardware fails regularly, despite having been replaced once already.
[17:12] <dwatkins> Every couple days we have to reset the home-hub2, this being our second, and the engineer replaced the socket already.
[17:15] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563474/ any way i can make this better?
[17:18] <dwatkins> Test for the file existing already before writing to it, lazarus_ - just in case? Create a temporary directory based on epoch time in /tmp to work in?
[17:27] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ anyone want to try this?
[17:28]  * penguin42 clicks
[17:35] <DJones> AlanBell: Is it meant to show your own pin, or just others? I've submitted mine but its not showing up
[17:36]  * AlanBell clicks approve on the djones pin
[17:36] <DJones> Ah, that would explain it
[17:36] <DJones> Yep, showing fine now
[17:37] <penguin42> I don't like giving exact position; I want uncertainty on pins
[17:37] <DJones> penguin42: Just put the town/city name
[17:37] <DJones> I tried that & it showed me a couple of miles away in the town centre
[17:37] <AlanBell> it is designed to be uncertain
[17:37] <AlanBell> town level
[17:37] <penguin42> ah
[17:37] <dwatkins> is 'subtitle' what I should put my IRC nickname in?
[17:38] <DJones> it also works with postcodes
[17:38] <AlanBell> dwatkins: excellent idea
[17:38] <AlanBell> it will work with postcodes, but I am intentionally asking for town
[17:38] <dwatkins> I hope you don't plan on having me reply to e-mails, I'm putting my hotmail address ;)
[17:39] <dwatkins> You can comment on my blog if you want to contact me, though.
[17:39] <penguin42> AlanBell: It gave me a posting comments too quickly after filling in a field I'd missed
[17:39] <dwatkins> haha: You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
[17:39] <penguin42> yeh same
[17:40] <AlanBell> yes, there is something broken with that, not sure where to turn it off
[17:40] <dwatkins> I got that, went back, clicked subit again, then got told I hadn't entered my e-mail address nor location, which I had.
[17:40] <AlanBell> I think I will remove email from the form
[17:41] <AlanBell> not going to do anything with it
[17:41] <dwatkins> Yeah, good plan, AlanBell.
[17:41] <dwatkins> If you change 'subject' to 'IRC nick' people can get in touch through here
[17:43] <penguin42> still hitting the too quickly
[17:43] <AlanBell> penguin42: yes, just breaking that "feature" now
[17:43]  * penguin42 hands AlanBell the hammer
[17:44]  * Myrtti feels torn apart, can't decide whether to put Fens or Finland into the form
[17:44] <AlanBell> Myrtti: do both
[17:45] <AlanBell> we should get all our non-dom members in too, like Pendulum and maco
[17:45] <AlanBell> and MartijnVdS
[17:45] <AlanBell> and txwikinger
[17:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: aww, I feel loved :)
[17:47] <dwatkins> I'm Dom, though.
[17:47] <dwatkins> (sorry, bad joke)
[17:47] <mgdm> Hmm, my pin isn't appearing
[17:49]  * AlanBell approves
[17:50] <mgdm> Oh! Didn't realise that was a step :)
[17:50]  * AlanBell turns off moderation for the moment
[17:54] <dwatkins> Did you approve me, or do I still need to fill the form in again, AlanBell?
[18:00] <penguin42> AlanBell: The tab order is a bit weird, description is out of order
[18:00] <penguin42> anyone short on RAM? http://www.buysamsungparts.com/m393b4g70am0-yf8.html
[18:02] <DJones> penguin42: I'm tempted, although with a machine thats limited to 512Mb, it might be a bit over the top
[18:02] <hcfd> Hi guys. I am about to reinstall Ubuntu, decided to go for 10.04 with the Alternate CD as I want RAID1. Just curious if, on balance, RAID10 would be better? I only have two disks however.
[18:03] <penguin42> hcfd: Do you want speed with twice the chance of losing it all or reliability with half the chance of losing it all?
[18:08] <hcfd> penguin42, well if my options are RAID0 or RAID1, I want RAID1. I'm just curious to know how RAID10 compares to RAID1. If it is necessarily as you say, I'll stick with RAID1. :)
[18:09] <hcfd> Still trying to understand how RAID10 is implemented (there are different block patterns).
[18:09] <ball> RAID 0 offers no redundancy
[18:09] <ball> RAID 10 is really RAID 1+0, so it's a RAID 0 stripe across two RAID 1 mirrors
[18:09] <ball> (requires at least four drives)
[18:10] <lazarus_> hmm import a downloaded backup but i would need the script to interact with ubuntu one
[18:12] <cps> evening chaps
[18:14] <lazarus_> cps: sup
[18:14] <cps> hey lazarus_
[18:15] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6938670/SourceManager/eqDAc.jpg rofl :D
[18:15] <hcfd> ball: There's something called RAID10 which can use two drives, mdadm supports that, but it's not classical RAID10. Heck, I was happy with RAID1, I think I'll just go for that.
[18:15] <ball> hcfd: sounds evil.
[18:15] <hcfd> ball: Quite possibly. I'm not prepared to use something I don't quite understand, and I only have about 3 hours to get this machine up and running again so I'm not taking chances. :)
[18:16] <ball> RAID 1 ftw then.
[18:21] <directhex> moo
[18:22] <Azelphur> baa
[18:23] <ball> eep
[18:24] <directhex> i am tired
[18:24] <directhex> and in brussels
[18:24] <directhex> but mostly tired
[18:24] <Azelphur> directhex: look at above image, proceed to laugh :p
[18:25] <ball> I'm in America and I'm frustrated.
[18:26] <directhex> laughing is for the untired
[18:26] <ball> I think I'm going to try Ubuntu Server
[18:29] <ball> This machine's getting wiped.
[18:30] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:31] <ball> Mornin' cz<tab>
[18:31] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how's the beer and waffles?
[18:31] <czajkowski> :D
[18:31] <czajkowski> excellent
[18:37] <Azelphur> hmm, is launchpad (the name) copyrighted?
[18:38] <ball> Azelphur: I hope not, it's a common word.
[18:38] <Azelphur> good point
[18:38] <Azelphur> apple is launching a feature called launchpad xD
[18:41] <penguin42> Azelphur: You could trademark its use in a particular context
[18:41] <Myrtti> it's not unique by any means
[18:41] <Myrtti> I think that last.fm has launchpad too
[18:41] <ball> People with rockets have used launchpads for years.
[18:41] <penguin42> ball: But not as a webservice for bug management
[18:42] <ball> penguin42: ok
[18:42] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:42] <penguin42> I'm not sure what granularity trademarks go to
[18:42] <Azelphur> the apple marketing page for their new OS is hilarious to me
[18:42] <ball> I really hoped that Ubuntu Server would work for this job.  It didn't even boot.  That is disappointing.
[18:42] <Azelphur> http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/
[18:42] <penguin42> ball: On what hardware and how did it fail to boot?
[18:43] <Azelphur> The Mac App Store, we've had one of those for at least a year now. Launchpad is the UNR launcher we've had that for ages too, Full screen apps, phew must be a decade behind there, and Mission control has been in compiz since like 2k5 too
[18:43] <Azelphur> Apple behind as usual, also wtf at marketing full screen apps like it's new and amazing rofl
[18:44] <Azelphur> "You can bring an app to full screen with one click" ONE CLICK, YOU CAN MAKE IT FULL SCREEN. IT TOOK US 10 YEARS TO DO IT, BUT YOU CAN HAVE IT NOW.
[18:45] <penguin42> Azelphur: Read it more carefully
[18:45] <Azelphur> penguin42: which part?
[18:45] <Azelphur> the gestures?
[18:45] <penguin42> Azelphur: I think it's saying you can do it to an arbitrary app, with one click
[18:46] <Azelphur> you can on Ubuntu too
[18:46] <penguin42> how?
[18:46] <Azelphur> not by default but you can
[18:46] <penguin42> oh right, so you mean the normal user can't
[18:47] <Azelphur> yea, only because nobody bothered to put a button on the window manager for it
[18:47] <Azelphur> it's just a window state like maximize
[18:47] <Azelphur> I guess nobody thought it'd actually be useful to anyone
[18:47] <penguin42> Azelphur: They bothered to do it first so they've been able to make a point out of it
[18:47] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[18:47] <gord> i um, i don't want my applications fullscreen on a desktop
[18:47] <Azelphur> me either
[18:48]  * penguin42 can see a handful of uses
[18:49] <ball> penguin42: An old Compaq desktop that I happened to have handy for an urgent project.  Point of principle though: a server OS shouldn't require graphics.
[18:49] <gord> i can run firefox fullscreen now, i never do it
[18:49] <ball> I get 'graphics initialization failed'
[18:49] <ball> 'Error setting up gfxboot'
[18:49] <penguin42> ball: agreed
[18:49] <Azelphur> gord: same
[18:49] <Myrtti> I use terminator full screen...
[18:49] <Myrtti> although I do split it into quarters... :-D
[18:49] <Azelphur> If you want that feature, in compiz commands plugin bind a key to run wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -b toggle,fullscreen
[18:49] <Azelphur> tada you have that feature now
[18:49] <gord> ball, ubuntu server does not require graphics
[18:50] <gord> i'v deployed it on many systems without X
[18:50] <penguin42> ball: In grub, edit out the set gfxmode= line
[18:50] <ball> penguin42: I don't even get to grub afaict.
[18:50] <penguin42> ball: Bang shift right after the bios
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> just keep it pressed until grub shows up
[18:51] <AlanBell> penguin42: tab order fixed, thanks
[18:52] <AlanBell> dwatkins: try again, I can't see your comment in the approval queue
[18:52] <txwikinger> AlanBell: my name was called?
[18:52] <AlanBell> txwikinger: http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[18:52] <ball> gord: I'm fairly disgusted that it even /tries/ to use graphics.
[18:52] <AlanBell> we are filling that in, including the non-doms
[18:52] <txwikinger> Ah cool
[18:53] <txwikinger> Well.. technically I am still under the hemisphere of Her Majesty the Queen :D
[18:53] <gord> ball... what? its not loading up X or anything like that
[18:54] <ball> gord: Doesn't matter.  It just dents the credibility of Ubuntu as a server OS in my opinion.
[18:54] <txwikinger> Bah.. google maps..all the privacy is trampled with feet
[18:54] <AlanBell> fraid so
[18:55] <gord> ball, okay let me ask you this, what do you mean by *graphics*
[18:55] <AlanBell> give me an openstreetmap plugin or recode that one then it will be changed
[18:55] <gord> all its doing is painting text on a screen
[18:55] <ball> gord: anything that requires a framebuffer
[18:55] <ball> I'm past the splash screen thing now using "install cli", but still.
[18:57] <gord> ball, you know this thing you are referring to, what has you so worked up, was just grub setting its resolution right?
[18:57] <ball> gord: thought it was the splash screen thing.
[18:57] <gord> no
[18:58] <ball> Now I'm stumped because it's prompting me for a WEP key and the wireless network requires WPA2-PSK, not WEP
[18:58] <ball> gord: Why even mess with the screen mode?
[18:58] <gord> because different monitors require different resolutions
[18:59] <ball> It's a server.
[18:59]  * ball shakes his head in dismay.
[19:01] <gord> are you currently running it on a monitor?
[19:01] <gord> you still have to communicate with the display, even when drawing text
[19:01] <gord> this is how computers work
[19:03] <ball> gord: CGA text mode should suffice, or MDA or a serial console.
[19:03] <txwikinger> AlanBell: Yes.. I have talked with the local OSM people here about it
[19:04] <txwikinger> AlanBell: Setting the pin somehow did not work, otherwise I filled it out
[19:05] <AlanBell> it worked
[19:07] <txwikinger> AlanBell: It worked? Where is my pin?
[19:07] <penguin42> gord: The current grub is trying to go into graphics mode where older stuff would stay in text mode; on a PC that's quite a different thing, it's not just setting resolution
[19:07] <AlanBell> txwikinger: near kitchener, canada
[19:08] <txwikinger> oh.. I see
[19:08] <AlanBell> is it right?
[19:08] <txwikinger> Well.. it moved itself a bit :) but close enough :D
[19:08] <txwikinger> Especially for a google map :D
[19:08] <AlanBell> good, it isn't supposed to be super accurate
[19:09] <txwikinger> Yeah.. that is fine.. You don't want crazy people come to your doorsteps :D
[19:09] <penguin42> ball: If you just take all the junk to do with set gfxmode out of the grub start up it has a much better chance
[19:10] <cps> hum
[19:10] <cps> two crashes in 2 minutes
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> cps: natty?
[19:10] <cps> MartijnVdS: maverick
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> cps: strange.. full-blown crashes or just apps misbehaving?
[19:11] <cps> MartijnVdS: Full-blown crashes. I end up having to do a cold boot
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> cps: ouch!
[19:11] <cps> indeed
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> maybe hardware is going wonky?
[19:11] <cps> I hope not
[19:11]  * txwikinger is gong to work on the new Kubuntu-de.org server now
[19:13] <AlanBell> txwikinger: crazy people on my doorstep happens every time we leave the house
[19:13] <ball> penguin42: How would I even get to that if I can't boot though?
[19:13] <txwikinger> AlanBell: Yeah.. I remember those times in the UK :D
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you live in the wrong part of town? :)
[19:13] <txwikinger> MartijnVdS: Wrong country ?
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> txwikinger: maybe, maybe
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> txwikinger: but you get crazies everywhere
[19:14] <txwikinger> MartijnVdS: Well.. here the crazies are frozen in the snow :D
[19:14] <AlanBell> my house is full of crazy people
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: cat ladies, etc.?
[19:15] <Pendulum> AlanBell: all the best people are
[19:16] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: no cat ladies here
[19:16] <txwikinger> Well.. we had a heavy snow evening last night.... Cars could not even move inside town anymore
[19:16] <txwikinger> So there is a natural selection to move out the crazies :D
[19:17] <cps> hmm
[19:17] <cps> might buy a new hard disk when I get the money to do so
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: only a few birds ;)
[19:19] <AlanBell> three big birds
[19:19] <AlanBell> but they are quite sensible
[19:21]  * cps listens to “Nautilus” by Bob James
[19:22]  * MartijnVdS listens to Upstairs at Eric's by Yazoo :)
[19:23] <cps> Yazoo ftw :D
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> cps: vinyl records FTW :)
[19:25] <cps> MartijnVdS: indeed. my stepdad has a few but no turntable to play them on
[19:27] <cps> hmm
[19:27] <cps> hoping my iso can download before the computer crashes again
[19:30]  * brobostigon returns from pub.
[19:32] <AlanBell> cps: torrent it and it will recover from crashes
[19:32] <AlanBell> cps: downloading squeeze?
[19:35] <penguin42> AlanBell: So does that page actually have a way to change their location or delete the entry etc?
[19:36] <AlanBell> err, no
[19:36] <AlanBell> but I can delete pins
[19:36] <penguin42> hmm going to get out dated quite fast
[19:37] <cps> evening brobostigon :)
[19:37] <AlanBell> are you on the run or something?
[19:37] <penguin42> AlanBell: Shhh!
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Always on the run
[19:40] <penguin42> AlanBell: Pity Launchpad doesn't have the location (any more?) otherwise it might make sense to get more from that
[19:40] <AlanBell> it has location, but not maps
[19:40] <penguin42> AlanBell: Its location entry for me is now shown as 'Time zone: Europe/London' which is a bit coarser
[19:40] <AlanBell> because launchpad uses https and if you want maps embedded on an https page you have to pay Google squillions of dollars
[19:42] <maco> AlanBell: how many pounds is that?
[19:42] <AlanBell> it is technology, so a 1:1 exchange rate is applied
[19:42] <penguin42> maco: About the same as our national debt
[19:44] <AlanBell> >>> print me.longitude,me.latitude
[19:44] <AlanBell> -0.797624588013 51.2134970973
[19:44] <AlanBell> ^^ launchpadlib has my location
[19:45]  * penguin42 changes the launch angle
[19:45] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/screenshot_1.png I think I made my phone go fast enough
[19:45] <AlanBell> now we know why penguin42 is on the run
[19:46] <SuperMatt> how did you get a screenshot?
[19:46] <penguin42> AlanBell: The web interface doesn't seem to have a way to set location any more, I could swear it had it when it used to have the map at the bottom
[19:47] <AlanBell> penguin42: yeah, I guess they optimised that out as they are not using it for anything now
[19:47] <penguin42> Azelphur: What you running it on? LG Optimus ?
[19:48] <Azelphur> penguin42: HTC Desire Z overclocked to 1.5ghz (from 800mhz)
[19:48] <penguin42> Azelphur: Haha cute
[19:48] <Azelphur> :D
[19:48] <Azelphur> If I build my own kernel I can get it up to 2ghz maybe further
[19:49] <Azelphur> but that's kinda scary for more than one reason xD
[19:49] <penguin42> Azelphur: The burning sensation in your hand?
[19:49] <Azelphur> indeed xD
[19:50] <daubers> Evening
[19:50] <penguin42> Azelphur: Is that a physical hack needed ofr that or just changing a multiplier in software?
[19:50] <Azelphur> penguin42: you need software and a custom kernel to do it
[19:50] <penguin42> ok, cute
[19:59] <brobostigon> new top gear,:)
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> ooh!
[19:59] <brobostigon> bbc2
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> completely forgot
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> bbc hd ;)
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> wow, that's timing :) the moment my system went "click" the intro music started :)
[20:01] <brobostigon> cool, :)
[20:19] <popey> AlanBell: added myself to the map
[20:19] <popey> has anyone asked the obvious question, gmaps vs osm?
[20:26] <james_w> yes
 18:55:12> give me an openstreetmap plugin or recode that one then it will be changed
[20:31] <ali1234> "plugin"?
[20:32]  * brobostigon lol's very loudly at clarkson.
[20:35] <brobostigon> iam having a blond moment, what is that cli prog, that shows me where packets go ontheir way to a specific server?
[20:36] <brobostigon> and i cant remember what its called.
[20:38] <oly> james_w, you can use a javascript library called openlayers to embed openstreet maps
[20:39] <oly> has a neat feature where you can switch the website you use as well
[20:39] <oly> so you can switch to google maps or various other services if needed
[20:39] <oly> if thats of any use :)
[20:39]  * suprengr curse AlanBell's 'chocolate-cake-in-a-mug' recipe... should have a note next to "3 Tablespoons Oil" re "& don't use engine oil" - I'm *never* doing that again - yuk!
[20:42] <cps> hmm
[20:45]  * brobostigon decides to go back out after top gear to see his lady friends.
[20:49]  * suprengr has just realised it should be popey  who gets blamed for the use of engine oil in his cake
[21:07] <Moniker42> hello ubuntu uk! :)
[21:07] <Moniker42> popey: what was that multiplayer notepad thing you had on your site a wee while ago?
[21:07] <popey> etherpad?
[21:07] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/
[21:08] <Moniker42> yes!
[21:08] <Moniker42> ta
[21:08]  * Moniker42 looks to set it up on moniker42.com
[21:08] <Moniker42> how is everyone, then?
[21:09] <popey> tickety boo :)
[21:10]  * mattt just got back from fosdem
[21:12] <DJones> Isn't a multi-player notpad called irc?
[21:13] <DJones> s/notpad/notepad
[21:14] <dutchie> DJones: it doesn't have the fun of being able to change what other people have written
[21:15] <DJones> dutchie: There is that I guess
[21:39] <AlanBell> I added a helpful video to the bottom of the page http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[21:43] <dutchie> AlanBell: stray apostrophe!
[21:43]  * ball resists the urge to add himself
[21:43]  * dutchie sees whether his login still works
[21:45] <dutchie> hmm, i seem to have lots it
[21:45] <dutchie> lost
[21:45]  * AlanBell removes the apostrophe before anyone notices
[21:45] <AlanBell> ball: don't resist!
[21:49] <AlanBell> dutchie: want a new password?
[21:51] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563578/ surely i dont need to sudo that much
[21:51] <dutchie> AlanBell: go on then
[21:51] <dutchie> not that i go on there ever
[21:51] <AlanBell> I think you should have an email with it now
[21:53] <dutchie> it will probably filter through the intertubes at some point
[21:54] <dutchie> when is it going to go non-beta btw?
[21:55] <ball> I can't seem to add myself to the map.
[21:56] <AlanBell> dutchie: real soon now
[21:56] <AlanBell> ball: any error message?
[21:57] <ball> I'm not sure how to pacify the "Geographical Position" field.
[21:57] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563578/ surely i dont need to sudo that much
[21:57] <AlanBell> did you click the placy your pin link before submitting?
[21:57] <ball> Yes
[21:57] <Venko> Mmmm... I'm just reviewing my data outline for my family tree software and am wondering if its appropriate to include place of death or not. What do you guys think?
[21:57] <ball> Nothing happened.
[21:58] <dutchie> Venko: no harm in adding as much data as you have, surely
[21:58] <ball> Ah, got it now.
[21:59] <Venko> That's what I thought and it would be useful for visually mapping the birth and death places of people over time (e.g. to see patterns in migration) but my girlfriend just suggested it might be a little too morbid
[21:59] <ball> Venko: I include that.
[22:00] <ball> Hmm... I may just install Gnome Ubuntu to see if I can make that do what I'm after.
[22:00] <Venko> Thanks dutchie and ball for your feedback :)
[22:02] <ball> I'm on the map :-)
[22:03] <AlanBell> ok, so what else do we need to tweak on the site before putting it live?
[22:04] <dutchie> did you get a better uupc logo?
[22:04] <AlanBell> no, took it off until they restart
[22:04] <dutchie> ah
[22:05] <dutchie> how much is the blogging bit going to be used?
[22:05] <AlanBell> not massively I should think
[22:06] <AlanBell> used for announcing events, posting reports on events
[22:06] <AlanBell> and recipies
[22:06] <dutchie> :)
[22:14] <suprengr> ;)
[22:15] <suprengr> no more oil recipes though
[22:17]  * AlanBell updates http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/11/10/5-minute-chocolate-cake-in-a-mug/ for the hard of thinking
[22:18]  * suprengr rolfs
[22:38]  * popey wonders what AlanBell modified
[22:38] <ball> I'm going to resort to Ubuntu desktop.
[22:38] <ball> Let's see if this works.
[22:39] <AlanBell> s/oil/cooking oil/
[22:40] <AlanBell> I think suprengr used castrol GTX or something
[22:42] <popey> brobostigon: mtr
[22:42] <ball> It is possible to use Ubuntu as a wireless bridge, or as a router?
[22:42] <ball> s/possible/practical/ ?
[22:43] <Azelphur> ball possible yes, practical not really, lack of a web UI and huge power consumption make it not worth while
[22:43] <Azelphur> there are prebuilt distros with web uis and everything you need built in (pfsense) but even then it's not worth it with the power consumption imo
[22:44] <Azelphur> Pick up a cheap DD-WRT capable router, you can get em for like ~20 squids now.
[22:44] <ball> Azelphur: Not where I live and not tonight.
[22:44] <ball> I'm trying to build a temporary solution just to get my wife on-line
[22:44] <Azelphur>  ball you can enable wifi connection sharing very easily does that help you?
[22:44] <ball> Azelphur: Probably
[22:45] <Azelphur> ball how are you connected?
[22:45] <ball> I may have to download the Alternate ISO.  The normal one isn't booting.
[22:45] <ball> Azelphur: I have a new wireless LAN and I need to connect some wired PCs to it.
[22:45] <Azelphur> *confused*
[22:47] <ball> Azelphur: the wireless router is in another room
[22:47] <ball> The PCs are wired together, but not to the Internet (any more)
[22:47] <ball> Trying to bridge that gap.
[22:48] <ali1234> you don't want to do wireless bridging in station mode, trust me
[22:48] <ball> ali1234: Why's that?
[22:48] <ali1234> because it never ever works properly
[22:48] <popey> +1
[22:48] <ball> Okay.  Route at layer 3 then?
[22:48] <ali1234> many cards don't support it at all
[22:49] <ali1234> the rest just drop out for no reason, lose packets, or jam up the wireless with reflected packets, or other weird stuff
[22:49] <ali1234> so yeah, just use forwarding/nat
[22:49] <ali1234> it is really easy to do on ubuntu
[22:49] <ali1234> first connect on wireless
[22:50] <ali1234> then go into network manager, select the wired eth, set it to "shared"
[22:50] <ali1234> that's it
[22:50] <Azelphur> ^ is what I did when I was on holiday :)
[22:50] <ali1234> ball: like this: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/htc/Screenshot-6.png
[22:50] <ali1234> except select the wired eth instead of usb0
[22:55] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[22:56] <pr0ph3t> I need to write a .raw image file to a USB disk, how do I do that, with dd?
[22:56] <popey> sudo dd if=./rawimagefile of=/dev/sdX
[22:56] <popey> where X is the USB disk
[22:57] <ball> Do I need to do anything special to serve up dhcp on the wired port?
[22:57] <popey> ball: i dont think you run dhcp on the wired port, it bridges to your wifi which probably has dhcp server on it doesnt it?
[22:58] <pr0ph3t> popey, thanks very much
[22:58] <popey> np
[22:58] <ball> Wait, I thought I was told /not/ to bridge.
[22:58]  * ball is confused
[22:58] <popey> as i understand it, just do what ali1234 said and no more
[22:59] <ali1234> ball: that's routing, not bridging
[22:59] <ali1234> actually, it will do nat
[22:59] <Nafallo> popey: sudo do-as-I-said
[22:59] <popey> blimey
[22:59]  * ball waits for someone to make someone else a sandwich
[22:59] <maco> Nafallo: "sudo do-as-i-said" is just "sudo !!" silly :P
[22:59] <ali1234> NM will automatically start up a dhcp server
[23:00] <ali1234> so you don't need to do anything else
[23:00] <ball> ali1234: Thanks
[23:00] <Nafallo> maco: *shrugs* I never use !!, I prefer to write it out "just in case"
[23:01] <ball> I'm now fetching the alternate image.  Hope that works.
[23:02] <ball> back shortly
[23:05] <txwikinger> Superbowl is starting!
[23:08] <ball> txwikinger: puppybowl on the animal planet
[23:11] <Rado1> hello
[23:11] <AlanBell> hi
[23:12] <Rado1> so every buddy here on ubuntu os?
[23:12] <AlanBell> pretty much
[23:12] <Rado1> good :)
[23:13] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:13] <Rado1> i just instaled 10.10 version
[23:17] <Myrtti> Sugru ♥


[05:04] <najla> morning all
[05:04] <najla> anyone here ?
[05:04] <najla> anybody here ?
[05:05] <najla> i'd like to ask something to you
[05:05] <najla> anyone respond???
[05:05] <najla> okat


[13:48] <coolbhavi> hey dpm, free now for 2 mins?
[13:49] <dpm> coolbhavi, about to go to lunch, but happy to start chatting now and continue later if that works for you
[13:50] <coolbhavi> oh ok.. I was just thinking to stop reviews for a while because we  we could have a separate discussion in an ARB meeting or on the list what to do with the remaining apps once bug  1124223 is fixed I guess
[13:51] <coolbhavi> reg free apps redirect
[13:53] <coolbhavi> dpm, any thoughts?
[13:53] <dpm> coolbhavi, yes, I think it makes sense
[13:53] <dpm> I think proposing it on the mailing list is probably the best way to go
[13:54] <coolbhavi> and have a discussion as to what would be the cutoff for free apps redirect
[13:54] <coolbhavi> so that queue gets cleared up and arb will be alive and kicking again
[13:55] <coolbhavi> :-)
[13:56] <coolbhavi> dpm-lunch, enjoy your lunch
[18:52] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!


[01:11] <s3raph> hey guys; I'm having a problem with weird `kill` problem, could anyone lend a hand?
[01:12] <knome> !ask | s3raph
[01:12] <s3raph> that works xD
[01:15] <s3raph> okay so, when I try and `kill pid`, i just get a '>' subprompt, and the process is still running; now if I do something like `strace kill pid`, the process is terminated, and I get no subprompt.
[01:15] <s3raph> ^oh, sorry, that happens for both root and non-root users.
[01:16] <s3raph> !patience
[01:20] <Marzata> xkill?
[01:21] <s3raph> Marzata: what do you mean?
[02:28] <dbrimr> I keep getting a "Failed to mount 'Filesystem Name' / Not Authorized" error in xfce4. How can I fix this?
[02:30] <GridCube> !details | dbrimr
[02:31] <dbrimr> I plug in a USB HDD. It appears as an icon on the desktop, but when I click it the aforementioned error pops up. I can't find the HDD under /dev or I'd just manually do it.
[02:32] <dbrimr> I'm using Ubuntu Studio 11.10 (not actually Xubuntu, but it's on xfce4).
[02:32] <GridCube> yes
[02:32] <GridCube> you used that usb on windows before?
[02:33] <dbrimr> No, I haven't used Windows in years.
[02:33] <dbrimr> I've used it in several prior versions of Linux, though.
[02:33] <dbrimr> Mostly (if not all) *buntu.
[02:35] <GridCube> i've had that problem, it can be put down to a few options, one its mbr table got corrupted, another is that the usb cable is broken, another is that its usb port is broken, another is that the drive is not getting enough energy from the computer
[02:35] <GridCube> the only solution i've found to the corruption part is formating the drive
[02:38] <dbrimr> If the cable or port was broken, how would it even show as an icon in the first place?
[02:38] <dbrimr> As for power, it has its own power.
[02:38] <holstein> the drive or partiion can be bad
[02:40] <dbrimr> The drive works fine on another machine.
[02:41] <holstein> dbrimr: maybe test it wheil you have it mounted on that other machine
[02:41] <holstein> make sure its showing up in fdisk -l
[02:41] <holstein> try mounting via the commandline
[02:43] <dbrimr> fdisk showed it, got it via CLI. Thanks!
[04:10] <totesmuhgoats> hey guys, i am running xubuntu 11.10, initially it was ubuntu and i uninstalled unity and installed the xubuntu-desktop package
[04:10] <totesmuhgoats> i am trying to use gigolo but it doesn't list any servers
[04:10] <nanotube> hey, welcome to the club totesmuhgoats
[04:11] <totesmuhgoats> i think i might be missing some packages
[04:11] <totesmuhgoats> is there anything i need to install to use gigolo?
[04:11] <totesmuhgoats> when i click the connect to server button the only thing i see in the drop down list is "custom location"
[04:11] <totesmuhgoats> nothing about windows shares or anything like i see in the screenshots
[04:13] <totesmuhgoats> nevermind, i figured it out
[04:13] <totesmuhgoats> i was missing gvfs-backends
[04:13] <totesmuhgoats> i had all the other gvfs and fuse packages
[04:13] <totesmuhgoats> but that was the missing link
[04:16] <Unit193> Do you have gvfs-backends?
[04:16] <Unit193> Yeah, nevermind, I skimmed too fast
[04:16] <totesmuhgoats> lol, i thought you were joking
[04:17] <totesmuhgoats> thanks though
[04:17]  * Unit193 facepalms
[05:05] <xubuntu597> hola
[05:29] <IdanSuper> Hey guys
[05:29] <IdanSuper> I need help
[05:29] <IdanSuper> I can't run install Xubuntu Icon at my desktop
[05:30] <IdanSuper> someone here?
[05:31] <nanotube> IdanSuper: hi, people are here, just be patient and someone will be around
[05:31] <IdanSuper> OKK
[05:37] <IdanSuper> ?
[05:38] <nanotube> it's off-hours in the usa, which i'm guessing is where most people here are from, IdanSuper
[05:40] <Unit193> !details
[05:40] <IdanSuper> OKK I Boot Xubuntu from my disc
[05:41] <IdanSuper> and I Choose install xubuntu at the first screen
[05:41] <IdanSuper> and then it open me a operation system or something
[05:41] <IdanSuper> with icon:Install Xubuntu 11.10 on it
[05:42] <IdanSuper> and I click on it around 100 times and nothing happened
[05:42] <Unit193> When you choose "Install Xubuntu" is it the second one down?
[05:42] <IdanSuper> i don't remember
[05:42] <IdanSuper> I think so
[05:43] <IdanSuper> okkkk I need to go sorry I'll back today..
[05:43] <IdanSuper> bay
[05:43] <Unit193> .....Alright
[07:46] <SkyNetMaster> h, it is very confusing with bugg reporting :) could you advice where to report xubuntu bugs?
[07:51] <TheSheep> !bugs
[07:52] <SkyNetMaster> TheSheep, but there is nothing about xubuntu
[07:52] <TheSheep> xubuntu falls into "any of its derivatives"
[07:56] <SkyNetMaster> ok, maybe I am just sleepy stil, but can't find a place to report new bug :/
[08:19] <xman> Hi
[08:20] <xman> how can i sett system proxy in xubuntu?
[08:23] <xman> i cant find proxy setting in xubuntu
[08:26] <xmann> any ideas how can i set proxy in xubuntu?
[08:26] <xmann> please help me
[08:27] <SkyNetMaster> xmann, http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/set-proxy-server-ubuntu-linux/
[08:28] <xmann> ok
[08:38] <xmann> i want to use my phone as modem to connect to the internet via usb, so i need set system proxy ,can i install any app. to set sys. proxy for xfce?
[08:44] <Marzata> http_proxy="http://user:pw@proxyaddress:port"
[11:35] <freedom7> hi all
[11:40] <chelz> freedom7: hi
[11:41] <freedom7> cheerx chelz
[11:41] <freedom7> cheerz
[11:41] <Kingsy> what is going on with samba in xubuntu? "sometimes" when I click on network in the file explorer you can see the network.. other times the windows network folder is empty..
[11:41] <Kingsy> why??
[11:41] <freedom7> cant decide if i like xfce session better than xubuntu
[11:42] <Kingsy> its sooo annoying, I need to browse the network and today its just deciding not to show anything
[11:48] <Kingsy> can anyone help?
[11:51] <chelz> Kingsy: there are various terminal tools to view smb things
[11:51] <chelz> like smbmount
[11:53] <Kingsy> chelz: can you give me some things I can check for to get this working?
[11:56] <chelz> Kingsy: do you know the ip for the smb server and do you have to use a login+pass?
[11:59] <Kingsy> chelz: the smb server? sorry I don't follow.. its just a standard windows network.. i.e I have shared some files on a windows pc and I want to view them through xubuntu
[11:59] <chelz> Kingsy: right yeah, the ip of the windows computer
[11:59] <chelz> Kingsy: i mean does restarting your xubuntu work?
[12:00] <Kingsy> chelz: hmm I havent tried restarting..
[12:01] <Kingsy> I have the local ip address for the computer I want to connect to.. can I connect to it manually? i.e the windows equiv would be   Start->Run      //<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:03] <chelz> Kingsy: open up a folder, in Thunar
[12:03] <chelz> then do ctrl+L
[12:03] <chelz> then do smb://<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:04] <Kingsy> chelz: it said --> smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/   <-- failed to open   (sorry it was 1.108, not 0.14 I got it wrong)
[12:05] <chelz> open up a terminal and try to ping that ip
[12:05] <chelz> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:06] <Kingsy> chelz: yeah I can ping it
[12:09] <chelz> ah
[12:09] <chelz> ok try
[12:09] <chelz> smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:09] <chelz> if you need a username do
[12:10] <chelz> smbclient -U user -L <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:13] <Kingsy> chelz: protocol negotiation failed: ERRnomem
[12:14] <chelz> Kingsy: put some -vvv on there and paste.ubuntu.com it
[12:14] <Kingsy> np
[12:15] <Kingsy> chelz: it still just says protocol negotiation failed: ERRnomem even with a -v
[12:17] <chelz> hmm
[12:18] <Kingsy> chelz: yup.. I have always had problems with samba.. it seems to just work when it feels like it.. haha
[12:18] <chelz> Kingsy: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=96862
[12:18] <chelz> might be a netbios name thing
[12:18] <chelz> also seems doing some registry thing on the server might help. that thread links to various fixes to try
[12:19] <chelz> if you end up fixing it from one of those, i'd be curious which fix it ended up being
[12:20] <chelz> this is linked to from the thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1169149
[12:20] <chelz> has stuff about workgroup and netbios name
[12:21] <Kingsy> hmm let me see
[12:23] <Kingsy> chelz: how do you restart samba on xubuntu? its not in init.d
[12:24] <Kingsy> as far as I can see anyways
[12:28] <Kingsy> lol wtf samba just doesnt exist.. but I have the config files.
[12:28] <chelz> gvs samba thing
[12:28] <chelz> some plugin
[12:28] <chelz> not sure how it works
[12:32] <Kingsy> chelz: is there a way of printing out sambas current config from the cmd line?
[12:38] <chelz> Kingsy: should be in a smb.conf somewhere i'd think
[12:39] <Kingsy> chelz: there is but the changes didnt do anything..
[12:39] <Kingsy> nm I guess this question is more of a #samba one :)
[12:39] <Kingsy> chelz: thanks for the help tho
[12:40] <chelz> Kingsy: yeah samba is really tricky
[12:40] <chelz> esp with mswindows involved
[12:42] <Kingsy> i hate it.. its like it has a brain and thinks.. "naaaa I don't think I am going to bother working for you today"
[12:45] <chelz> Kingsy: well you could try setting up some other kind of sharing
[12:45] <chelz> i think filezilla has a free ftp server for mswindows
[12:46] <chelz> just i've never maintained a linux/windows smb/cifs setup. only linux/osx. at least on osx stuff basically works once you set it up, but with mswindows i hear updates can break it
[12:47] <Kingsy> yup.. its GAY
[15:15] <davy> hello i'm new
[15:20] <autif> !hi|davy
[15:21] <davy> thanks ubottu!
[15:22] <davy> does it exist other xubuntu theme?
[15:22] <davy> hi autif
[15:26] <TheSheep> davy: sure, see xfce-look.org
[15:31] <davy> ok thanks!
[15:31] <davy> why a mouse in xubuntu logo?
[15:31] <davy> what is his meaning?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> link to xfce, the desktop environment used by Xubuntu
[15:51] <autif> davy - world domination and monsters and such
[15:57] <charlie-tca> davy: Xfce used the mouse as their mascot until last year.
[15:59] <davy> yeah but why a mouse? why not a lion, cat or other?
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Because they wanted a mouse?
[16:37] <IdanSuper> Someone can help me?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> !helpme
[16:37] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[16:38] <IdanSuper> I have a button on my desktop with an icon called "Xubuntu install
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Please ask the real question so if someone knows, they can answer you.
[16:39] <IdanSuper> And I click on it around 100 times and nothing happens
[16:40] <charlie-tca> IdanSuper: weren't in here yesterday with a different name?
[16:40] <IdanSuper> Yes right
[16:41] <IdanSuper> yesterday and today morning
[16:41] <charlie-tca> and also asking the same things in other channels?
[16:42] <IdanSuper> yes only now by a mistake :(
[16:42] <charlie-tca> Okay, so right-click that install icon, left-click execute and wait for a few minutes to see if the installer runs
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Depending on the computer, it can take several minutes to get the installer screen
[16:44] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't come up in 5 minutes, I would say you have a bad cd, and should try burning a new one
[16:44] <pangolin> checking the md5sum before burning
[16:44] <pangolin> just to make sure
[16:44] <IdanSuper> OKK
[16:46] <IdanSuper> nothing happend... And I have Ubuntu installed on my computer.... Its because it?>
[16:47] <IdanSuper> and I try to run the commend apt-get unistall everything and It say that nothing was installed
[16:47] <charlie-tca> so, thats not even 5 minutes
[16:47] <IdanSuper> no :(
[16:47] <charlie-tca> I would say download the cd again, and burn a new one
[16:47] <pangolin> what command did you run exactly?
[16:48] <IdanSuper> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[16:48] <IdanSuper> That one (Ubuntu)
[16:49] <pangolin> ok so you want to remove Xubuntu?
[16:49] <pangolin> IdanSuper: problem here is that we are unclear on what it is you want to do.
[18:05] <Novice> Hey guys, can anyone tell help me with some things?  I am having trouble.
[18:06] <pleia2> Novice: feel free to go ahead and ask your questions, if people know the answer they'll chime in
[18:06] <Novice> Thank you.
[18:07] <Novice> Could someone help me understand what a key ring is.  Also, I have been feeling weird, like some wise guy is trying to hack my network.  How can I be sure it is not being hacked?
[18:12] <Novice> Was that too much?
[18:12] <Pici> Why do you think you're being hacked?
[18:14] <Novice> strange services were running in windows that really bogged my computer down
[18:15] <Pici> Novice: well, we don't provide Windows support here. You'd need to ask the folks in ##windows for help with that.
[18:15] <Novice> My screen would flash periodically
[18:16] <Pici> As for the keyring, its sort of like a password safe, in that it keeps track of application authentication and other passwords on the system ( like wifi passwords )
[18:16] <Novice> What services would I look for in the take manager (in xubuntu) that would be red flags?
[18:17] <Novice> task*
[18:17] <Pici> That question isn't really answerable. Is there something in particular that you don't recognize.
[18:18] <Novice> Last night there was, let me check again, and thanks for the help.
[18:22] <Novice> usr/bin/X :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root  ----  In short
[18:25] <Pici> Novice: Thats the process that spawns your login manager.
[18:25] <Novice> Thank you, I am sorry for the rudimentary questions, but I really want to learn this.
[18:27] <Novice> But, the rest of the command is:  /:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswith -backround none
[18:28] <Novice> And I know tcp and vt7 are associated with network connections
[18:28] <autif> those would be the command line options passed to the application X
[18:28] <Novice> Ok.  Cool man.
[18:28] <Novice> Thanks.
[21:20] <n2diy> I lost the sound from my speakers recently, is there something I can try restarting to get it back?
[21:21] <autif> try pavucontrol
[22:13] <holstein> n2diy: you can mute from the keyboard, but not unmute
[22:17] <n2diy> holstein, ok, what is the solution, restart alsa, logout?
[22:18] <holstein> n2diy: use the GUI
[22:18] <holstein> assuming thta is the issue
[22:19] <n2diy> holstein, ok, nothing is muted in the alsa-mixer window.
[22:20] <holstein> n2diy: then that might not have been the cause
[22:20] <holstein> you can run in a terminal
[22:20] <holstein> aplay -l
[22:20] <holstein> if you see somethiing return, then you *should* be getting sound
[22:20] <holstein> when i say "try the GUI' i literally mean the little picture of the speaker up by the time
[22:47] <mongy> nothing to do with it but, as a 'bug' of using pulseaudio-equalizer on xubuntu I can't use my media keys to adjust volume.  It adjusts the master volume according to alsamixer but does nothing to actual volume, like it does in reg ubuntu.  it's no great problem.
[22:48] <TheSheep> mongy: I think you can set the 'main' channel in the xfce4-mixer
[22:48] <TheSheep> mongy: the one that will be modified by the media keys
[22:48] <mongy> set it
[22:49] <mongy> set it as alsa, master, pcm, headphones etc volumes, and then set to pulse and set master.
[22:49] <mongy> as soon as I use the eq, doesnt work.
[22:49] <mongy> using pulse its fine, just the EQ
[22:49] <mongy> for some reason it doesn't work quite the same in xfce
[22:50] <TheSheep> mongy: no, I mean the properties dialog of the mixer panel applet
[22:50] <mongy> it's not biggie, just saying.
[22:50] <mongy> properties?
[22:50] <mongy> where?
[22:51] <mongy> all I see are soundcard selection and select controls
[22:51] <TheSheep> mongy: right-click on the speaker icon in the panel, select properties
[22:51] <mongy> no such
[22:51] <mongy> its an idicator
[22:51] <TheSheep> there are two dropdowns, 'sound card' and 'mixer track'
[22:51] <TheSheep> then add it to the panel
[22:52] <mongy> ahhh
[22:52] <mongy> a different mixer
[22:53] <TheSheep> not sure if it will help
[22:53] <mongy> that's better.  thank you
[22:54] <mongy> its funny because I added that volume to panel before and it launched the same volume applet, just did not give the same right click properties.
[22:55] <TheSheep> the indicator plugin is quite new
[22:55] <TheSheep> it doesn't have all the features yet
[22:56] <mongy> actually, it's not perfect
[22:59] <mongy> nevermind.  I have pavucontrol icon set next to it as I use it to mute mythtv when  I am watcning tv but listening to music....
[23:13] <astartoth> hi all
[23:13] <Marzata> hi all +1
[23:15] <astartoth> small problem using xubuntu, some parts of XFCE still display in english, not my default locale, pt_PT.UTF-8
[23:16] <astartoth> I did it all: deleted unwanted locales, regenerated default locale, reinstalled locales, reinstalled language-support-base and language-support-pt. Am I to assume that XFCE isn't completely translated?
[23:19] <Marzata> no system is completely translated.
[23:20] <astartoth> probably it's best to switch to en_US


[03:37] <Heavensrevenge> hello, can anyone point me to how the control flow works in mir?
[03:38] <Heavensrevenge> the spec page only has 1 way diagrams but doesnt show how an event flows from input->output
[04:23] <OSIEL> Wich is the channel for developers of drivers for ethernet??
[08:15] <OrokuSaki> https://github.com/milaq/android_device_hp_tenderloin/commit/4a498d46fce9daa16f32631c8dc9b7ebbf5f15d5 Maybe this will work...
[08:15] <OrokuSaki> reverting that
[08:19] <benishor> hi there. after upgrading to 13.10 (from 13.04), indicator-session icon is missing, http://hq.scene.ro/session-indicator-missing-icon.png
[08:19] <benishor> can anybody help me with a hint into restoring it? already tried to purge session-indicator and reinstall it but to no avail
[08:26] <benishor> I found the problem: system-devices-panel* icons that are being refered by indicator-session's service.c, are not available in the default icon theme. weird
[16:07] <akis24> sorry


[00:09] <durrell> Anybody home?
[15:39] <holstein> durrell: you just find the channel? or have you been here before?
[17:33] <durrell> holstein: I've been here a few times before
[17:33] <durrell> It's been well over a year, though
[20:30] <holstein> durrell: welcome
[20:32] <durrell> holstein: Thanks
[20:32] <holstein> durrell: are you in NC?
[20:32] <durrell> holstein: I yam
[20:32]  * holstein is in asheville
[20:32] <durrell> Live in Eastern NC, work in Morrisville
[20:33] <holstein> cool
[20:34] <durrell> Yeah, remembered this channel trying to fix a problem I'm having with 13.04 but don't know that I'll have much luck here either haha
[20:35] <holstein> i havent seen a support question yet
[20:36] <holstein> whats up?
[20:36] <durrell> I'm having an issue in the "final" form of 13.04 that wasn't there in beta
[20:36] <durrell> I can't run extended monitors unless they're the same res
[20:37] <durrell> I have one 1920x1080 and one 1680x1050, worked beautifully in the daily I was running for weeks..but as soon as I updated it broke
[20:37] <durrell> So I'm having to run both at 1680x1050
[20:38] <durrell> Not sure if it's the Radeon driver or something more simple
[20:40] <holstein> i would try booting an older kernel version first. then, i would try a live CD to rule out my config.. i would try using arandr ..i would try a custom xorg.conf ..in that xorg.conf i would force the vesa driver as a test as well
[20:41] <durrell> Yeah I tried the older kernel version with the same result
[20:41] <durrell> Haven't tried new Live CD yet
[20:41] <holstein> if i were using the open ATI driver, i would try the proprietary one, and vice versa
[20:41] <durrell> Or any of the others
[20:55] <durrell> Might give that a shot tonight
[20:55] <durrell> It's annoying running at the wrong res


[00:41] <daftykins> phew managed to roll back a client machine from Win 11 to 10, then apply the block... evidently they didn't move quick enough after i phoned in that it had begun getting pushed
[00:57] <penguin42> was 11 causing problems?
[01:04] <daftykins> i won't be supporting it, given it's a clear unfinished experimentation on users... so they should all stay on 10 for now
[01:05] <penguin42> nod
[01:05] <daftykins> thankfully most of their machines have older CPUs that aren't on the permitted list, so they got away with just 1 that had managed to upgrade
[11:40] <diddledani> I need to find something to spend my nectar points on
[12:55] <zxmpi_> how many points do you have?
[15:37] <penguin42> 42 of course
[16:55] <davef> ugh, can you guys keep the noise down?
[16:55] <davef> i'm clearly out of practice being hungover
[16:55]  * davef puts his shades back on
[16:56] <daftykins> hehe
[16:57] <davef> went out last night with a group of friends, first time in almost two years.
[16:57]  * zxmpi_ plugs in ibm model m keyboard and starts typing my 10000 page manifesto :-P


[18:30] <phanimahesh> Anyone here???
[18:33] <phanimahesh> so far, I've been 'reading' things that said there are people who keep away from ubuntu coz of the orange. but today, I've seen one. And i observed that unity cannot be 'themed', as of now.  am i missing something??


[23:27] <mar1> someone just mentioned earlier that this would be a good thing to do to improve video quality
[23:27] <SoberIrish> Hello all,I got a issue and was wondering if it was fine to ask a question
[23:27] <ScheissDroge1> !ask
[23:27] <seancarl> NEED HELP CREATING NEW LOCO TEAM
[23:28] <jrib> !loco | seancarl
[23:28] <jrib> seancarl: start by turning off your caps lock though
[23:28] <italianstyle> can you help me, please? why my system is trying to downgrade to kernel <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS>? any security issue?
[23:28] <seancarl> thats to attract a little attention
[23:28] <Flannel> seancarl: also try #ubuntu-locoteams
[23:28] <Gnea> !caps | seancarl
[23:28] <usr13> Gnea: I think this is the issue:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[23:28] <jrib> seancarl: it attracts negative attention
[23:28] <Flannel> seancarl: That's a bad way to attract the kind of attention you want.
[23:28] <SoberIrish> Alright,so I am new to ubuntu and I am installing 8.04 on my desktop,I boot it from CD and that is fine,I try to load the installer and it goes through the loading screen,splash screen comes up and then it does nothing
[23:28] <mar1> gnea: what mode do you recommend?
[23:29] <Gnea> usr13: sounds like it - give it a shot and see what happens
[23:29] <seancarl> yep i know, but i've asked the question some minutes ago, and no one answered
[23:29] <seancarl> anyway
[23:29] <Gnea> mar1: well, slow video is usually an indication of slow hardware or intensive resource allocation
[23:29] <usr13> Gnea: Sounds exactly like what I was seeing in the raid setup on this machine.
[23:29] <Flannel> seancarl: #ubuntu-locoteams
[23:29] <seancarl> I've already read the HowTo
[23:30] <seancarl> k
[23:30] <djsimon80> ciao a tutti
[23:30] <Gnea> seancarl: curb the attitude, please, if you want help.
[23:30] <ScheissDroge1> SoberIrish:what a pc ? installer or live cd ? tried alternate cd ?
[23:30] <Mat1> hey
[23:30] <Gnea> !patience
[23:30] <Expl0ited> lol I was just looking at that stuff wondering why there isn't one in nevada
[23:30] <mar1> gnea: i have a pretty new pc with a radeon hd 4850 if that helps
[23:30] <Gnea> mar1: can you run glxgears?
[23:30] <mar1> gnea: i think the drivers may not be helping tho
[23:30] <SoberIrish> Live CD is what I am using
[23:31] <mar1> not sure what that is?
[23:31] <seancarl> thx for the help
[23:31] <ScheissDroge1> !who
[23:31] <mar1> gnea: sorry but i'm a real linux noob
[23:31] <ScheissDroge1> SoberIrish:the live hangs at bootup ?
[23:31] <Mat1> !wubi | SoberIrish check this out
[23:31] <ScheissDroge1> *** doesn't like wubi
[23:32] <Gnea> mar1: that's okay :) if you click on Applications->Accessories->Terminal, then type glxgears and press enter in the terminal, it should run and show you how many FPS
[23:32] <seancarl> seems that there's no one @ #ubuntu-locoteams
[23:32] <SoberIrish> I would try Wubi but I cannot find my windows disc,thats one of my reasons for switching to ubuntu
[23:32] <Mat1> ScheissDroge1 ?
[23:32] <seancarl> do you know if i can contact anyone?
[23:32] <djsimon80> !comand
[23:32] <genete> same here. After ask the language and select check the CD integrity it simply does nothing. It seems to be a IDE recognition problem. I don't have windows so cannot use wubi. What can I do?
[23:32] <djsimon80> !help
[23:33] <Flannel> SoberIrish: Try the alternate CD
[23:33] <Amerikan_> Is there a linux torrent irc channel?
[23:33] <Gnea> seancarl: there's a channel full of people there. you'll have to be patient.
[23:33] <fabio> hi
[23:33] <jrib> seancarl: click on "contacts" on the page ubottu gave you
[23:33] <Mat1> flannel u remember me
[23:33] <SoberIrish> Ok,I'll try the alternate cd and see if that works,thanks for the help everyone
[23:33] <Gnea> seancarl: check the /topic too
[23:33] <ScheissDroge1> Mat1: a dual boot is always easier to manage, unless you don't want just a experience like a live cd
[23:33] <m__> hi everyone
[23:33] <mar1> gnea: it says between 8000-9000fps
[23:33] <seancarl> ok, i will
[23:33] <seancarl> thx
[23:33] <genete> I'll try the alternate CD too. thanks bye
[23:33] <Gnea> mar1: oh, your video is quite fast indeed :)
[23:34] <ScheissDroge1> Mat1: sober gone anyway..
[23:34] <usr13> Gnea: Yes, this is the issue, still reading, but wanted to thank you for the help...
[23:34] <fabio> is there a wey to get rid of the grub menu with a single boot system ?
[23:34] <Amerikan_> Are there any other partitions that help increase spead of my ubuntu?
[23:34] <Gnea> usr13: you're welcome
[23:34] <ScheissDroge1> fabio: yes...
[23:34] <jrib> fabio: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst so it doesn't get displayed ("hidden" option I think)
[23:35] <Mat1> Mat1: sober gone anyway..?
[23:35] <fabio> so there is a hidden option: thank you
[23:35] <ScheissDroge1> fabio: see jrib and set timeout to 0
[23:35] <Gnea> mar1: i'm not sure, but you could try turning overlay support on or off in vlc preference (Video settings)
[23:35] <fabio> i will try with the timeout.
[23:36] <mar1> gnea: ok i'll give that a try (on a side note how do you tab to someone's nick in here?)
[23:36] <Gnea> usr13: and sorry if i seemed a bit rough around the edges earlier :)
[23:36] <Mat1> fabio the grub menu is important if something goes wrong put the time out at 4
[23:37] <Gnea> mar1: start typing the first 2 or 3 letters of someone's nickname then press tab
[23:37] <tmmbach> open source is the solving thing!!!
[23:37] <ScheissDroge1> Mat1: he can then still press esc
[23:37] <fabio> i don't want it : #hiddenmenu
[23:37] <Gnea> mar1: you may have to press tab a few times to get it right
[23:37] <fabio> there is one more trouble
[23:37] <fabio> it's about gnome-terminale and the /dev/pts filesystem
[23:37] <Dezine> I'm using a guide to completely remove kde and xfce. There's a large list of programs it's removing but some aren't found. Using apt-get remove what do I do to ignore missing packages?
[23:37] <Dezine> So it doesn't stop
[23:38] <mar1> Gnea: cool thanks
[23:38] <fabio> /etc/fstab is ok, but i have to mount it
[23:38] <Gnea> tmmbach: hrm?
[23:38] <mar1> Gnea: the overlay thing didn't really help
[23:38] <mar1> Gnea: any other ideas? if not i think i'll give up for now and try again tomorrow
[23:39] <fabio> error creating the child process for this terminal: this is wht i get due to the pseudo-tty stuff
[23:39] <jbbarnes> Can someone please tell me how to install libnet-ssleay-perl with apt-get. Ubuntu 7.10 can't find a repository.
[23:39] <d4r1os> hi all
[23:39] <ScheissDroge1> mar1:shure your graphics are set correctly ?
[23:39] <Gnea> mar1: is it slow in fullscreen or just windowed mode?
[23:39] <jbbarnes> I have uncommented the univers and multiverse lines in sources.list
[23:40] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: no not really :)
[23:40] <mar1> Gnea: both although it seems to be worse in fullscreen
[23:40] <ScheissDroge1> mar1:which graphics card ? monitor configured ?
[23:40] <Mat1> type in terminal gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:40] <Mat1> i sent thet to fabio
[23:40] <jrib> jbbarnes: that package is in main.  Pastebin your sources.list please
[23:40] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: i'm not sure (i'm new to linux) how would i check?
[23:41] <MXIIA> where are the themes stored? for Sys>Prefs>Appear.
[23:41] <ScheissDroge1> mar1:which graphics card ?
[23:41] <jbbarnes> jrib: okay, stand by...
[23:41] <jrib> MXIIA: why?
[23:41] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: ati radeon hd 4850
[23:41] <Gnea> mar1: try the solution the bottom of this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=381107
[23:41] <MXIIA> jrib I want to see the format of one :/
[23:41] <mar1> Gnea: ok thanks i'll give that a try
[23:41] <jrib> MXIIA: see http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials .  But /usr/share/themes/ for your original question
[23:41] <MXIIA> thanks
[23:42] <ScheissDroge1> mar1:just lookingup ati they don't offer a driver for that card.. how did you setup ??
[23:43] <zigzag71> hello
[23:44] <jbbarnes> jrib: how do I postbin multiple lines, please? I'm using KVirc.
[23:44] <zigzag71> hello
[23:44] <mar1> Gnea: that seemed to help a bit but it's still pretty bad
[23:44] <zigzag71> how is everyone
[23:44] <jrib> !pastebin | jbbarnes
[23:44] <ScheissDroge1> mar1:oo, got time ? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_rv770_oss&num=1
[23:44] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: i went to the #ATI chat room and got someone to walk me through the process
[23:45] <ScheissDroge1> mar1: I see, have you got the ati-control center under apps ?
[23:45] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: i believe we were following the instructions from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Instructions%20for%20Ubuntu%208.04%20(Hardy)
[23:45] <tsuna27> #awn
[23:46] <ScheissDroge1> mar1: I see, have you got the ati-control center under apps ?
[23:46] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: no i don't
[23:47] <jbbarnes> jrib: I have posted just the uncommented lines to make it readable. Here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40515/
[23:47] <ScheissDroge1> mar1: open a terminal...
[23:47] <jrib> jbbarnes: do you actually want the cdrom repository?
[23:47] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: ok
[23:48] <jbbarnes> jrib: Not necessarily. This is the default sources.list, and I uncommented the last two. I want whatever you think makes sense.
[23:48] <Mat1> i gottA EAT (YUM HAMBURGERS)
[23:49] <yassoun> hi
[23:49] <[T]BludShoT> I had ubuntu 6 edgy eft on a PC, and I want to install the latest version, but i've tried like 20 times now with it getting stuck at a dozen different spots...
[23:49] <jrib> jbbarnes: get rid of the first line and replace it with a copy of the second line but change "deb-src" to "deb"
[23:49] <tsuna27> how do i add icons to the awn permenatly b/c now all i have is a small grey bar w/ nothing on it
[23:49] <[T]BludShoT> the latest is that when i boot to the cd, and hit on install, it ignores what i said and just loads up the live cd
[23:49] <yassoun> hi can install ubuntu in an externel hard drive?
[23:49] <ScheissDroge1> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && /etc/X11/xorg.conf|pastebinit && cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt.get install displayconfig-gtk
[23:49] <jbbarnes> jrib: I am trying to install webmin and it requires libnet-ssleay-perl. Whatever make it happy...
[23:49] <jbbarnes> okay...
[23:49] <ScheissDroge1> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && /etc/X11/xorg.conf|pastebinit && cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk
[23:50] <jrib> jbbarnes: note:
[23:50] <ScheissDroge1> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && /etc/X11/xorg.conf|pastebinit && cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk, mar1
[23:50] <jrib> !webmin | jbbarnes
[23:50] <Jureg> histo, if /proc/acpi/video is empty.. is it bad?
[23:50] <yassoun> hi i can install ubuntu in an externel hard drive?
[23:50] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: will that enable the propriety drivers? apparently they are to be avoided at all costs :)
[23:50] <[T]BludShoT> so then I go to install it from the desktop, but it gets stuck at Failed to copy files; Faulty CD/DVD or hard disk...
[23:50] <__t0m> yassoun:I believe so
[23:51] <tsuna27> how do i add icons to the awn permenatly b/c now all i have is a small grey bar w/ nothing on it
[23:51] <yassoun> thx i wil try tomorrow
[23:51] <ScheissDroge1> mar1: nope, no fear
[23:51] <[ipc]-michael> is there anyway i can get a boxee invite?
[23:51] <jbbarnes> Really? I can't run webmin at all? Man, I really love that program...
[23:52] <ScheissDroge1> mar1: give me the url from terminal
[23:52] <Alan_M> !ebox | jbbarnes
[23:52] <Alan_M> ^ way cooler than webmin jbbarnes :)
[23:52] <gtrmkr> Rank beginner here, so go easy:-D  I've downloaded Ubuntu onto CD, but can't get it to install. How do I install it?
[23:52] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: what do you mean the url from teminal?
[23:53] <Alan_M> gtrmkr, did you place the file on the cd or did you "burn" it?
[23:53] <tsuna27> can any1 help me
[23:53] <gtrmkr> Burned it.
[23:53] <ScheissDroge1> mar1: if u run the comand(s) a url should be given back in your terminal
[23:53] <TWISTshow> tsuna27: right click and add them
[23:53] <ScheissDroge1> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && /etc/X11/xorg.conf|pastebinit && cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk                       , mar1
[23:53] <Alan_M> gtrmkr, did the md5sum check out?
[23:54] <tsuna27> twistshow: what?
[23:54] <gtrmkr> Sorry ... I don't know what that is ...
[23:54] <ScheissDroge1> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && /etc/X11/xorg.conf|pastebinit && sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk                       , mar1
[23:54] <Alan_M> !md5 | gtrmkr
[23:54] <Alan_M> check those two links gtrmkr :)
[23:55] <gtrmkr> Will do. Thanks for pointers!
[23:55] <[T]BludShoT> i cant get hardy heron to install, it froze like a dozen times when it got to 15% installed
[23:55] <tsuna27> twistshow: where do i right click and the options if i click the bar are prefence/exit
[23:55] <jbbarnes> I will try ebox. Thanks for letting me know. I had not heard about no webmin support for Ubuntu. Bummer.
[23:55] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: the last command gave me a permission denied
[23:55] <TWISTshow> tsuna27: under preferences
[23:55] <TWISTshow> you add the app as a launcher i think
[23:55] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: for accessing the xorg.conf i think
[23:55] <ScheissDroge1> mar1: sudo missing:...
[23:55] <Alan_M> jbbarnes, gtrmkr, glad we could help :D
[23:55] <ScheissDroge1> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && /etc/X11/xorg.conf|pastebinit && sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk                       , mar1
[23:56] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && /etc/X11/xorg.conf|pastebinit && sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk
[23:56] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: that was the message i got
[23:56] <tsuna27> twistshow: what is the command to open firefox
[23:56] <TWISTshow> tsuna27: look under system -> preferences -> AWN Manager
[23:56] <TWISTshow> you can add them from there
[23:56] <TWISTshow> or just drag them from the gnome panel
[23:56] <ScheissDroge1> did you enter that ? url ?                     , mar1
[23:57] <TWISTshow> tsuna27: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-AWN-on-Hardy-Heron-82611.shtml
[23:58] <ScheissDroge1> pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf    && sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk       wrong syntax                 , mar1
[23:59] <mar1> ScheissDroge1: errors no arguments specified?
[23:59] <ScheissDroge1> pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf    && sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conforiginal  && sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk      , mar1
[23:59] <OmfgItsAshark> hey all


[13:18] <ricicle> So I have an upstart job that is dead but the pid is hanging around. How to ind location of pid file please?
[13:18] <ricicle> *find
[13:22] <ricicle> no takers? Reverting to classic start/stop script then.
[15:36] <leandrosansilva> Hello to all. I've setup a service which calls a bash script and the script starts normally when I call service start, but when I call service stop, I get the following error:
[15:36] <leandrosansilva> stop: Connection was disconnected before a reply was received
[15:36] <leandrosansilva> and the prompt blocks
[15:58] <yann2> hello! Small logging question: you can not choose where your daemon logs, can you?
[21:19] <bmfurtado> Hello, I've been looking at the cookbook but can't seem to find an answer to this: if I need the tracked PID of a service on a pre-stop script, what would be the cleanest way to get it? Is there a variable with this provided by upstart or do I have to use awk to parse the output of status?


[01:05] <doctormo> highvoltage: You've always had the ability to ask me for art, you just never have ;-P
[01:13] <highvoltage> doctormo: indeed :)
[01:14] <highvoltage> doctormo: I guess I didn't realise how talented you were before
[01:14] <highvoltage> (/me wonders how susceptable doctormo is to flattery)
[01:15] <doctormo> lo, highvoltage, I'm rather dubious about my talent to draw, I'm more of a sculptor. BUT
[01:15] <doctormo> I've really very good at manipulating media, using and reusing resources and componentising images.
[01:16] <doctormo> Although I'm happy with the way TGM came out.
[01:16] <doctormo> highvoltage: What do you need?
[01:31] <highvoltage> doctormo: we need a wallpaper for edubuntu, preferably one that doesn't suck
[01:31] <doctormo> what's the themes?
[01:32] <doctormo> Want it more cartoony, more realism, bright, shaded, textured?
[01:32] <highvoltage> doctormo: we have some basic requirements but their not that hard, we want to avoid text on the wallpapers, and it would be nice to be able to have a simplified verison for the LTSP login manager that can only display text in one colour
[01:32] <highvoltage> doctormo: in terms of themes, you have lots of artistic license, but we want to avoid clichés like books and blackboards and world maps if possible
[01:33] <doctormo> highvoltage: So, do you need a wallpaper or a KMS splash?
[01:33] <highvoltage> wallpaper
[01:34] <doctormo> So no moving parts or text version required.
[01:35] <highvoltage> nope, but if the wallpaper is nice then it would indeed be nice having an animated plymouth theme available that maches
[01:35] <highvoltage> ubuntu just boots up so fast anyway that I don't think we'll care too much about that anyway
[01:36] <highvoltage> there's been some submissions on http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-6/ so far, I like some of the ideas behind some of them, but I think we should be a bit more ambitious for natty
[02:09] <highvoltage> doctormo: not that I want to scare anyone away with too many requirements, having something just in concept is sometimes nice too :)
[06:48] <doctormo> highvoltage: I have an idea I will execute on
[12:33] <highvoltage> doctormo: great :)
[12:54] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[13:01] <highvoltage> good morning mgariepy
[14:31] <sakhi> good afternoon highvoltage ;)
[14:32]  * sakhi ntpdate time.za.org gmt+2 ;)
[14:32] <sakhi> later
[14:41] <highvoltage> hey sakhi
[14:41] <highvoltage> 9:40 in the morning here :)
[18:41] <doctormo> highvoltage: ping
[18:43] <highvoltage> doctormo: pong
[18:45] <doctormo> highvoltage: This is my artistic vision for the wallpaper http://imagebin.org/136621 It's very early days. But I've very happy with the background.
[18:46] <highvoltage> doctormo: yes, that certainly has potential. the fish looks a bit sick :)
[18:47] <doctormo> highvoltage: The problem is, I agree with thorwil and I won't enter a competition.
[18:47] <doctormo> For art
[18:47] <doctormo> If you think I can do the piece, and you've seen my tentative suggestion.
[18:48] <doctormo> I need you to give me more concrete direction and confirmation that you'll work with me on it and not waste my time if I do it.
[18:48] <highvoltage> doctormo: ok, I understand completely
[18:50] <highvoltage> (still gathering comments on that wallpaper in my head... give me a moment :) )
[18:51] <highvoltage> doctormo: I can commit to you that we can work with you with a wallpaper, if you're willing to adapt and change your work as we need. obviously we can't commit to something if we haven't seen a final version of it yet (which I'm sure you'll understand)
[18:51] <highvoltage> here are some notes on your current submision:
[18:52] <highvoltage> * The shadeblocks that make the borders around the image are nice, but they will be partially hidden by pannels in the login screen and in the desktop session, which will make it look a bit out of place at times
[18:53] <highvoltage> * The two narwhals don't look like they've been drawn in the same style. that said, I'm not really sure how great idea narwhals is for a default desktop background (maybe for an add-on since it is the code-name for the release, but probably not for a default)
[18:54] <highvoltage> * The slipstream in the ocean is a bit too bright imho, some people don't like very bright images on wallpapers, it might not be a big problem though
[18:54] <doctormo> highvoltage: The block/borders are actually part of the template. I should have removed those before uploading.
[18:58] <highvoltage> doctormo: could you join us around this time on Wednesday for the Edubuntu meeting so that we can discuss it too with the others present? I like that you're taking this seriously, if you're willing to continue and work with feedback then we can probably commit to using a wallpaper that you provide. I definitely don't want your time to be wasted, and looking at that squeeze card you made I know you're capable
[19:00] <doctormo> highvoltage: I should be available on Wednesday. Please make sure to email/message me too.
[19:00] <highvoltage> doctormo: ok, will do
[19:01] <doctormo> highvoltage: http://imagebin.org/136624
[19:01] <highvoltage> doctormo: also, I sometimes sound a bit more picky than I am, so if anything sounds harsh it's most probably not meant that way
[19:03] <doctormo> highvoltage: I don't actually wipe original art forms, this can go through 50 revisions and I'd keep all 50 ;-)
[19:03] <doctormo> just incase I think you're wrong :-P
[19:04] <highvoltage> doctormo: ok, great!
[19:05] <highvoltage> doctormo: I just looked at your squeeze card again, there's something about the colours that you used that I like a lot too, but that might just be me. I wonder if we should get wider feedback sooner or later, do you have any recommendations?
[19:06] <doctormo> highvoltage: The colours could have been chance, although the difference is that the card is more refined and finished
[19:06] <doctormo> Since I could go through all interations with my own brain for what I was after
[19:06] <doctormo> But I'm taking the same style from the card to try and impliment what you're looking for.
[19:07]  * highvoltage takes a look at doctormo's deviantart channel (been meaning to but haven't gotten to it yet)
[19:08] <highvoltage> what tools do you use to create your artwork?
[19:10] <doctormo> highvoltage: Inkscape
[19:10] <doctormo> It's all vector, that svg for the underwater scene is heavy duty. My 2GHz core2 due suffers rendering it ;-)
[19:11] <highvoltage> heh, I'm not the only one who needs a new i7 then :)
[19:13] <highvoltage> doctormo: nice concept! http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Circuit-2-172263353?q=gallery:doctormo/701269&qo=22
[19:19]  * alkisg likes the ubunchu covers :)
[19:21] <doctormo> highvoltage: Consider that visual style too, maybe that's more what you're after.
[19:23] <highvoltage> doctormo: could be, I guess I'm mezmorised by the all the smooth gradients and textures
[19:23] <highvoltage> (and I think it would be a nice style for edubuntu)
[19:39] <doctormo> highvoltage: Something to think about for your meeting.
[19:39] <doctormo> I guess it's important to develop a visual style for edubuntu
[19:39] <doctormo> Perhaps this is something the Canonical design team could be persuated to help with?


[05:14] <FJKong> hi, when I am trying to run snapcraft push xxx.snap, I got the error message like Received 403: '{"error_list": [{"message": "Developer has not signed agreement.", "code": "user-not-ready"}]}'
[05:15] <FJKong> what should I do next?
[06:12] <shuduo> FJKong: i guess you need sign developer code of launchpad
[06:14] <FJKong> shuduo: already done, still need wait for days?
[06:15] <shuduo> FJKong: how about upload via web version snap store?
[06:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#809 opened: make plugin: improve artifact copying (LP: #1624798) <Created by jaymell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/809>
[09:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#810 opened: nodejs plugin: Add mechanism to run “npm run” commands <Created by RAOF> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/810>
[09:19] <arj> hello
[09:20] <arj> anyone my friend here
[10:30] <cjwatson> FJKong: go to https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/agreements/new/
[10:30] <cjwatson> shuduo: it's not a Launchpad thing
[10:31] <FJKong> cjwatson: okay, I will check it , TNX
[10:42] <FJKong> cjwatson: if I want to register a package which is reserved, what kind of situation will approve the request?
[10:53] <cjwatson> FJKong: I think a store admin has to sort it out, but I don't really know the details, sorry
[10:53] <cjwatson> (the fact that I answer one question doesn't mean I know the answer to all questions :-) )
[10:53] <FJKong> cjwatson: thanks
[10:53] <FJKong> at least the first question is sloved :)
[10:54] <FJKong> s/sloved/solved
[11:41] <ogra_> FJKong, would probably make sense to file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+filebug that the error message should include the link cjwatson gave you ...
[11:41] <FJKong> ogra_: nice
[11:41] <ogra_> (hmm, probably developer-portal is the wrong project, but the people working on the store should see it or get the bug in the end)
[11:42] <shuduo> ogra_: hi, what's formal way to pack gadget snap now? does the command "snappy build" still work or something else?
[11:49] <cjwatson> ogra_: I thought there was one already
[11:49] <ogra_> shuduo, nope, a) the snappy command is gone and b) snap build doesnrt actually exist ... use "snapcraft snap $directory"
[11:50] <ogra_> cjwatson, ah, i didnt check :)
[11:50] <shuduo> ogra_: got it. thanks.
[11:50] <ogra_> that is how we build the gadgets at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-systems/files
[13:44] <Fl1nt> Hi guys, is there a way for a snap to retrieve HW informations without any manual/interactive step?
[17:53] <wililupy> Hello. I am trying to install a snap on my new build of Ubuntu-Core 16 and I get the following error:
[17:54] <wililupy> error: cannot find signatures with metatdata for snap "my.snap"
[17:55] <wililupy> Is there a new way to build a snap where I have to sign it as part of the build process and if so, how do I do  that within snapcraft?
[18:00] <mcphail> wililupy: just use the --force-dangerous flag on install
[18:01] <wililupy> I tried --force-dangerous, but it downloads ubuntu-core and gives me an error saying: cannot set next boot: cannot determine bootloader
[18:01] <wililupy> and fails
[18:02] <wililupy> mcphail: I think this stems from a bigger issue where ubuntu-core doesn't think it's ubuntu-core on my device since it is not showing any installed snaps with snap list...
[18:15] <mup> Bug #1624913 opened: Ubuntu-Core does not list any snaps on newly installed device <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624913>
[19:04] <zyga> mwhudson: hey
[19:04] <zyga> mwhudson: I'm done with the upstream release work, I'll look at collab-maint now :)
[19:30] <ogra_> wililupy, smells like your gadget isnt correct
[19:30] <ogra_> or  the model assertion is wrong ...
[19:31] <ogra_> (that causes the firstboot job to not run, so the image gets never properly initialized)
[21:33] <mwhudson> zyga: morning
[23:35] <mup> Bug #1624829 opened: There is no way to contact snap package developer <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624829>
[23:38] <mcphail> Hi. Is there an equivalent to the $SNAP_USER_DATA directory which doesn't change with every package revision? I need a constant place for my game's save files, which need to be accessible even if the snap updates
[23:58] <liuxg> does anyone know how to access the snapweb?