[01:30] <MountainX> KSnapshot (and other screen capture methods) are broken for me in Kubuntu 12.04 (KDE 4.8.5 and kernel 3.2.0-39 amd64, AMD/ATI graphics) after a recent system update. Anyone else seeing this?
[01:54] <ScottK> MountainX: How recent?
[01:55] <MountainX> ScottK: the problem started about a month ago (seemingly after an update to the lockscreen).
[01:57] <ScottK> KDE hasn't been updated since Feb 14.
[03:04] <MountainX> ScottK: someone suggested it might be kwin related. The problem about the same time the updates related to the lockscreen came through. Now every screenshot is nothing more than a picture of the stock lockscreen background.
[03:05] <ScottK> OK.  Let me check something.
[06:47] <soee> good morning
[08:08] <Tm_T> well this is interesting: https://foodl.org/ && https://github.com/UNINETT/Foodle
[09:34] <xnox> ScottK: i'd rather not hurry purging messaging menu out of kde, i'd rather look into porting it.
[09:34] <xnox> (myself that is)
[09:35] <ScottK> xnox: It currently has no maintainer, so that'd be great.
[09:36] <ScottK> I am somewhat concerned about our dbusmenu getting out of sync with upstream.
[09:37] <ScottK> xnox: If there are application level changes needed we'll need to upstream those as well, so they'll need to work with either version.
[09:38]  * xnox so far was doing straight s/libindicate/messaging-menu/ port, without fallbacks. As libindicate doesn't work in quantal & I want it to be removed sooner than later.
[09:38] <xnox> ScottK: is that because you backport so aggressively?
[09:39] <xnox> to precise that is.
[09:39] <ScottK> No.  It's because we, unlike the desktop team, actually got all this stuff upstream and so it needs to be supported.
[09:39] <ScottK> I don't know who all uses it and if they've upgraded to the newer stack.
[09:39] <xnox> heh.
[09:40] <ScottK> More generally, unlike almost anything Canonical touches.
[09:49] <xnox> ScottK: ?! ?! ?!
[09:49] <xnox> Anyway: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/news/pyqt-410 this is so brief and to the point that it doesn't tell me much =)
[10:03] <ScottK> There's an open bug about packaging PyQt for Qt5.
[11:21] <Riddell> mgraesslin: sorry you had troubles installing kubuntu on a pandaboard
[11:21] <Riddell> you were nearly there with the install, it installs to a USB drive and boots off that, no needs to have a second sd card
[11:22] <mgraesslin> not it doesn't :-)
[11:22] <mgraesslin> I tried that one indirectly, had the sd card in USB stick mode
[11:22] <mgraesslin> and it didn't boot from that
[11:23] <Riddell> I'd blame the sd card reader for that then since booting off USB stick is how I test it all the time
[11:24] <mgraesslin> maybe I have a different model
[11:25] <mgraesslin> anyway I liked the "dd to card" variant better than having to install ;-)
[11:25] <Riddell> yeah that was simpler, can't remember why that changed, speed of running it from usb maybe?
[11:26] <Riddell> total sympathy with confusion between HDMI and DVI, I spent days mucking around with that (DVI monitor but depending on driver version worked from one port or the other but usually neither)
[11:26] <mgraesslin> oh with Ubuntu it worked fine all the time
[11:27] <mgraesslin> it was just Linaro having problems with that
[11:27] <mgraesslin> I was extremely surprised when I booted the system yesterday and I heard the KDE start sound
[11:27] <mgraesslin> and I had not connected audio :-)
[11:29] <Riddell> ... how does that work?
[11:29] <mgraesslin> hdmi
[11:29] <Riddell> ah hah
[11:32] <mgraesslin> what surprised me a little bit was that by default kwin is used instead of kwin_gles
[11:32] <mgraesslin> not that it matters given that KWin GLES does not work on the pandaboard...
[11:38] <Riddell> mgraesslin: hmm, I'm sure that wasn't the case at one point but yes the seeds do have only the normal kwin
[11:38] <Riddell> active has kwin active gles
[11:38] <Riddell> but that should be fixed for arm
[11:38] <mgraesslin> maybe it's the gles kwin, I didn't look at the compile flags
[11:39] <mgraesslin> if it's compiled without OpenGL, but with GLES, it results in the same as kwin_gles
[11:39] <mgraesslin> I only noticed that kde-window-decorator got installed instead of kde-window-decorator-gles
[11:39] <mgraesslin> but maybe the installation would do it properly, I finally installed kubuntu-desktop
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:00] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:34] <Darkwing> Morning
[12:35] <Riddell> hi Darkwing
[12:35] <Darkwing> Hows life in KubuLand
[12:35] <Darkwing> ?
[12:36] <Riddell> super dooper, if with a long todo list
[12:38] <davmor2> Riddell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYTOavWs6Aw this might interest you guys.
[12:39] <tazz> so they started selling nexus 7 in India too.
[12:39] <tazz> shadeslayer, ^
[12:44] <Riddell> davmor2: wathcing at 25:30 seconds
[12:45] <Riddell> "this is very familiar, I like it"
[12:46] <Riddell> excellent excellent
[12:46] <davmor2> Riddell: I thought you might like it
[12:46] <Riddell> doesn't have many wallpapers, that's a common issue we get
[12:47] <Darkwing> Aye, we should do something about that.
[12:47] <davmor2> Riddell: they do some nice videos that are very task orientated
[12:47] <davmor2> I stumbled across it one day
[12:47] <Darkwing> Some of the worst camera play but, what they do is amazing.
[12:48] <lordievader> Nice video Darkwing :) I'm just 6 min in, but it is great already!
[12:48] <Darkwing> LOL What's the point of that? (Bouncy Ball)
[12:49] <Darkwing> lordievader: Kubuntu at 25:30
[12:50] <Riddell> "this one is a good one"
[12:50] <Riddell> that should be our new slogan
[12:50] <Darkwing> :D
[12:51] <Darkwing> It's a brilliant idea
[12:52] <Darkwing> "It's logical and they don't give things strange names"
[13:04] <Darkwing> Riddell: I think this sums up who I want to move to an online system for writing docs... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-March/017141.html
[13:04] <Darkwing> s/who.why.
[13:04] <Darkwing> s/who/why/
[13:04] <kubotu> Darkwing meant: "s/why.why."
[13:04] <Darkwing> *sigh*
[13:05] <Darkwing> Actually, it tags the frustration of new people trying to get involved with anything.
[13:07] <Darkwing> We point to teams and some quasi jumbled documentation on it but, it really highlight the frustrations.
[13:09] <Riddell> Darkwing: yep, it's quite a barrier to people getting into the docs
[13:10] <Tm_T> so, I said something about Konqueror crashing and me trying to get debug information...
[13:10] <Tm_T> it hasn't crashed since
[13:10] <Darkwing> Tm_T: But, you are ready in case it does.
[13:12] <Tm_T> yeah
[13:13] <Tm_T> I'm rather happy now seeing Konqueror really working as it used to do with me
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Tm_T:  as a browser or file manager or both ?
[13:18] <Darkwing> But of course they don't. *sigh*
[13:20]  * Darkwing slowly strangles the servers that the wiki sits on.
[13:21] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: web browser, I rarely use GUI file browsers
[13:27] <Darkwing> Riddell: Remember how a couple of UDS' ago in Florida, it was mentioned that we wish we had an index of all of the Kubuntu wiki pages?  http://paste.kde.org/709448/
[13:38] <yofel> Darkwing: no reasonable way to get more wallpapers with current image size
[13:39] <yofel> Darkwing: and doesn't moinmoin have a search command for that wiki list?
[13:39] <Riddell> Darkwing: whee, probably a few in there we could delete :)
[14:35] <Darkwing> yofel: That is from that... add ?action=titleindex at the end.
[14:35] <yofel> heh
[14:35] <Darkwing> It give ALL the wiki pages... I just C&P the Kubuntu ones.
[14:36] <Darkwing> *if* the server had PyXML then I could use ?action=format&mimetype=xml/docbook to generate docbook from it.
[15:02] <xnox> ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/boost1.53/ has no dep-wait any more. only one kde failure and I'm not sure why... seems like it fails in moc?!
[15:18] <Riddell> ../../../src/part/DotGraphParsingHelper.cpp:29:33: fatal error: boost/spirit/core.hpp: No such file or directory
[15:18] <Riddell> xnox: looks like an API change?
[15:18] <xnox> Riddell: which package is that for?
[15:19] <xnox> could be anything. I whink I found a bug in qt4's moc.
[15:19] <xnox> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-22829
[15:19] <xnox> aka
[15:19] <xnox> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=756395
[15:19] <xnox> aka bug 1119656
[15:19] <xnox> I'm testing a patch & rebuilding 6 packages which failed with BOOST_JOIN.
[15:19] <Riddell> xnox: that's in kgraphviewer
[15:20] <xnox> Riddell: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_53_0/libs/spirit/classic/change_log.html
[15:21] <xnox> renamed.
[15:22] <Riddell> xnox: ah that sounds easily patchable then
[16:01] <Riddell> xnox: ok with a ubiquity upload?  I want to test the fix for the kubuntu oem slideshow
[16:01] <xnox> Riddell: yeah, go ahead =)
[16:01] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1119656] plot-qt demo fails to build with Boost 1.53 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1119656 (by Garth Wells)
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> this bug is the cause that forces me at work to use thunderbird: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317387
[16:37] <Riddell> that coule be annoying yes
[16:37] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: if they come up with a patch you might want to try and get it in the packages
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I would
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> If I could afford it I think I would pay someone to do it
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> I mean to make a patch
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> this is one of the reasons that might force me off linux at work
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> I hope this won't happen
[17:07] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you posted about a romanian website?
[17:08] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[17:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[17:09] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so I think we'd be all for it
[17:09] <Riddell> it's a question of how
[17:09] <ovidiu-florin> how what?
[17:10] <Riddell> how to put up a website
[17:10] <Riddell> it's currently a drupal website
[17:10] <Riddell> on a canonical server
[17:10] <ovidiu-florin> I think if we just translate the enclish one would be enough
[17:10] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: but there's technical details of where to host and how to keep it up to date
[17:11] <Riddell> the easiest way would be just to give you details to access the current web server and you can make pages under /ro/ URLs
[17:11] <ovidiu-florin> I could host it on my serverbut I can't guarantee that it will be 100% available
[17:12] <ovidiu-florin> maybe with automatic IP detection based on location and redirect to the ro site?
[17:12] <ovidiu-florin> meybe durpal has a module for that
[17:13] <ovidiu-florin> s/meybe/maybe
[17:14] <ovidiu-florin> my server is located at my home
[17:14] <ovidiu-florin> it's an 8 year old laptop
[17:15] <ovidiu-florin> http://ovidiub13.dyndns.org
[17:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how about you set it up on your server so we know it all works, we buy the domain name and ask canonical to host it when it's all ready?
[17:35] <volkan> Riddell: Hi Jonathan.
[17:35] <volkan> Riddell: I just read your email regarding to localized websites. what can we do for it?
[17:36] <Riddell> volkan: you're the guy who wants to do a turkish one?
[17:37] <volkan> Riddell: yes.
[17:38] <volkan> Riddell: but of course my wish was not only for turkish.
[17:52] <Riddell> volkan: so one way to do it would be set up a server and install drupal and get it all going
[17:52] <Riddell> then get a domain name and a more permanant server once it's ready
[17:52] <Riddell> another way that might work is just giving access details to the current website so you can make pages under /tr/foo
[17:54] <volkan> Riddell: hmm. what about the images on the website? e.g. in features page the images contain English text. Do you keep the project files for these images?
[17:56] <Riddell> volkan: no they'd need to be set up again, but the screenshots on the features page are really out of date and need redone anyway
[17:57] <volkan> Riddell: so than for this moment, copying all the structure of main site into a subfolder and translating, right?
[17:57] <volkan> *then
[17:58] <volkan> and on the mail you already told me this site was using drupal. maybe there is an extension (or module, plugin etc) to enable multi-languages on pages? actually I havent used drupal
[18:04] <Riddell> volkan: yeah there's no subfolders in drupal, it's just a database
[18:05] <Riddell> There probably is various modules for translations but I've never looked into it I'm afraid
[18:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin here is also interested in doing one
[18:05] <Riddell> for romanian
[18:06] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ever set up drupal?
[18:07] <volkan> Riddell: yes it will be good. otherwise we can check and test it on our local laptops. can we just download the whole structure?
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've used drupal for a while
[18:08] <volkan> if you can dump the database and send, we can start
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I could say I have some experience with it
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: I don't think a DB dump is enough
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> we also need to know what modules they have installed
[18:11] <Riddell> oh gosh I've no idea what modules it uses
[18:11] <Riddell> it's hosted by canonical
[18:11] <Riddell> the theme is lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org
[18:11] <ovidiu-florin> go to modules and print the page as PDF
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: question: if canonical no longer supports kubuntu why is the website hosted there?
[18:13] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/ModulesKubuntu.pdf
[18:14] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: canonical still provides the hosting and many other things for kubuntu, it's all part of the bigger ubuntu project
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: where can the theme be downlaoded from?
[18:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org
[18:17] <ovidiu-florin> stupid question: is that a command/link? sorry I don't know
[18:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it's a command
[18:19] <Riddell> link is https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org
[18:22] <ovidiu-florin> cd ..
[18:22] <ovidiu-florin> sorry
[18:23] <Riddell> :)
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> drupal 7.21 is ok?
[18:25] <yofel__> the site runs on 6.25
[18:25] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll get 6.28
[18:26] <Riddell> yofel__: how do you know that?
[18:26] <yofel__> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/site.png
[18:26] <yofel__> Home  ›  Administer  ›  Reports  ›   Status report
[18:28] <Riddell> clever
[18:28] <volkan> Riddell: btw i have written a long mail before. i hope you could check it out sometime. it is related to kubuntu documentation and some other non-translatabel applications.
[18:28] <Riddell> volkan: yep still going through my e-mail
[18:30] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: are those modules comes by default?
[18:30] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: I'l answer that once I'll install a drupal
[18:30] <ovidiu-florin> in a moment
[18:31] <ovidiu-florin> I have to move things around a bit
[18:31] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: ok cool :)
[18:39] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: and for the videos, you are the volunteer for romaian sub or dub, right?
[18:40] <volkan> Riddell: did you find time to read the mail regarding to ubiquity slidevideos?
[18:40] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: yes
[18:41] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: do you want to volunteer for recording some videos?
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have the time to also do the recordings
[18:42] <volkan> my plan was only recording and using subtitles, since me (and probably some other volunteers ) are not native and it may be annoying and seem not professional
[18:43] <Riddell> volkan: as you noticed, we do need poked hard to ensure these things are working
[18:43] <Riddell> volkan: please do keep poking us
[18:44] <Riddell> volkan: the slideshow translations I've not thought about before, I know it's possible, I'll look into how they're done
[18:44] <Riddell> volkan: the docs translations need to be manually integrated each release so you do need to poke us into doing that
[18:45] <Riddell> hmm and userconfig, good question
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> that reminds me, I have to file a few bug reports
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> but I'll come back to that
[18:46] <volkan> Riddell: ok, whom should I ask for integration of documents?
[18:46] <volkan> Riddell: also the outdated links in Kubuntu Wiki translation pages?
[18:54] <Riddell> volkan: poke me or Darkwing but it'll be done near to release time
[18:55] <Riddell> I suppose it might be useful to do an interim docs with translations soon though so we remember how to do it
[18:55] <Riddell> volkan: which translation pag?
[18:55] <Riddell> page?
[18:56] <volkan> Riddell: ok before april mid. then right?
[18:56] <volkan> i will poke you
[18:56] <volkan> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Translations
[18:57] <volkan> Riddell: and it seems since precise it does not get these specific strings from Launchpad since it seems they are still english :/.
[18:57] <volkan> if you want I can make a list of strings that are not translated and post somewhere
[19:04] <soee> hmm who removed my skype :M
[19:07] <Riddell> volkan: yeah that would be good
[19:07] <Riddell> volkan: thanks so much for looking into this, it's too easy for us to skip over
[19:11] <volkan> Riddell: no problem. drawback of using Kubuntu in English :)
[19:23] <volkan> Riddell: I created a google doc file. i will inform you again in mid-april
[19:23] <volkan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uvl6um0fwFVOKzC3bM9jvEwZbqK33gleV2yRi_dbpMU/edit?usp=sharing
[19:23] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: have you noticed those problems in Romanian localization?
[19:23] <Riddell> thanks volkan, I'll try and reply to your e-mails tomorrow
[19:28] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: sorry I missed a few... what problems?
[19:28] <volkan> Riddell: no problem. Also is there any other touchpad utility since synaptiks is not developed anymore (as i remember from their website) and crashes all the time for me
[19:29] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: the translation problems that I ve listed here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uvl6um0fwFVOKzC3bM9jvEwZbqK33gleV2yRi_dbpMU/edit?usp=sharing
[19:32] <ovidiu-florin> I'm also a member of LibreOffice Romanian team
[19:32] <ovidiu-florin> LO is still under translation
[19:33] <ovidiu-florin> LO 4 has updated translations
[19:33] <ovidiu-florin> what version is default with kubuntu?
[19:33] <ovidiu-florin> I forgot
[19:34] <ovidiu-florin> I know who is envolved in KDE Ro translation and I've asked for membership and access, but I haven't reveived it yet
[19:34] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: ^
[19:35] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've updated my server now it can be accessed by the url: http://geekaliens.com
[19:35] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: Sürüm<IP_ADDRESS> (İnşa No: 400m0(Build:2))
[19:35] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the kubuntu.ro website is available at http://geekaliens.com/kubuntu.ro
[19:35] <volkan> ops sory
[19:36] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: Version <IP_ADDRESS> (Build: 400m0(Build:2))
[19:36] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: on which Kubuntu release?
[19:36] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: 13.04 beta1, but it was the same with 12.10 (i jst upgraded)
[19:45] <Darkwing> volkan: As soon as the doc freeze hits, I'll upload the pot files for translations
[19:48] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've installed the kubuntu theme. Could I also get a DB dump to use ?
[19:53] <volkan> Darkwing: thanks for answering. for docbook, is it required that all linking documents need to be translated
[19:53] <volkan> i mean in development part, there are 26 string missing and I am afraid if i can finish till mid*april
[20:02] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ah, DB dump is harder, I don't have access to that, it would need to come from the canonical sysadmins, who are notoriously slow at doing anything
[20:11] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: will you be able to try a plugin for multilanguage support?
[20:17] <Darkwing> volkan: I'll have to check. Can you shoot me an email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to remind me?
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: I've allready tried that in drupal and it failed
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> but I've tried that about one year ago
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> so, I don't know the current state
[20:30] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: ok then. maybe I could try it too. should we use the same version of drupal?
[20:31] <volkan> Darkwing: ok. i am sending it now
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> I've went for drupal 6 for better compatibility with kubuntu.org
[20:35] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: what about the plugins? will you try it after database dump?
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> I can't get the DB dump
[20:35] <volkan> can u also post it under Kubuntu Localization mails that you sent last if you find something new
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> volkan:  I'm not sure I understand what you mean
[20:44] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: can you send an e-mail regarding to database dump if you get it under last mail for Localization in kubuntu-devel (that I wrote at the beginning)
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> ah, yes, of course
[20:45] <volkan> so that maybe then I can also get it and start translating. then they can decide integrating under kubuntu.org
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: whom do I have to contact to get the DB dump?
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell volkan if we can't get the db dump I recommend we make a template for the LoCo websites that won't include everithing on the main website, but it will include instructions on how to use/get kubuntu
[21:00] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: I hope we will. if not yes, we can use the html files under kubuntu-theme to translate and some texts on loco websites. but having them supported by kubuntu is more effective i think
[21:18] <volkan> ovidiu-florin Riddell i wonder if there is a way to backup database under drupal
[21:19] <volkan> maybe in this case it is very easy
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: there should be a module for that
[21:22] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: probably this one: http://drupal.org/project/backup_migrate
[21:23] <ovidiu-florin> could be
[22:40] <jaysonr> apt-cache search cpufreq
[22:40] <jaysonr> dang :-)
[22:54] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: that'll be canonical sysadmin e-mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: rt?
[22:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: rt is some sort of issue tracker database, for some reason they don't just use launchpad bugs
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>do I need to subscribe to that mail list?
[22:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no just send, ask in #canonical-sysadmin for more details
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[23:00] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you should get a reply back with a number, give it to me and I'll add that the request is legic
[23:00] <Riddell> legit
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: should I write a formal email explaining what I need?
[23:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[23:06] <ovidiu-florin> can I mentoin that I got the email address from you?
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> mention*
[23:07] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: mention that I told you to file the request
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: doesn't anybody have permissions to install modules on the site?
[23:10] <ovidiu-florin> an module that can export a backup could do all this.
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: LaMont Jones told me on #canonical-sysadmins: it would be best to have it go thru RT if for nothing more than tracking..
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not sure what this means
[23:14] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it means you should e-mail that request so they have a log of it
[23:14] <Riddell> only the canonical sysadmins have permissions to install anything on it
[23:15] <Riddell> this is quite frustrating I know
[23:16]  * Riddell sleeps
[23:17] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: is this ok? https://notes.kde.org/p/uiK48PpB7R
[23:22] <ovidiu-florin> request sent
[23:55] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: good luck! hope we get a reply
[23:56] <ovidiu-florin> I've got the the track ID... and now.. I'm jsut waiting
[23:58] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: did you forward this id to Jonathan, too?
[23:58] <ovidiu-florin> yes


[01:00] <SleepyJeremy> hello
[02:05] <debdeb> hi
[02:05] <debdeb> anyone want to answer me a few (stupid?) questions? :-)
[02:06] <debdeb> 1.) installation of ubuntu is possible on a google-nexus-7, right?
[02:07] <debdeb> if yes: is it possible to use it like a normal desktop-system, too?
[02:08] <debdeb> i see some problems for this: no hardware-hdmi-port and usb-otg only more or less working
[02:09] <debdeb> how is it with "Miracast"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast
[02:10] <debdeb> nexus 4 should be able to work with it. android 4,2+, too. how is it with ubuntu-touch?
[02:10] <debdeb> + on nexus 7
[02:11] <debdeb> i am searching for "linux + miracast" at the moment... havent found a solution
[02:12] <debdeb> how is it with "intel-wireless-display"?
[02:13] <debdeb> and now to usb: does some network-usb-solution work with ubuntu-touch? for using usb-gadgets over wlan?
[03:56] <iiishad0w> hi all
[03:57] <iiishad0w> how can install touch to lenovo a798t?
[03:57] <iiishad0w> what should i do?
[05:58] <didrocks> hey Mirv, how is it going?
[06:00] <Mirv> didrocks: morning. it's ok, would need more to force myself to more pauses as the UDS makes one sit even more in the front of computer..
[06:00] <didrocks> Mirv: indeed ;)
[06:01] <Mirv> didrocks: I believe we are very near now that we could start Qt uploads to saucy
[06:01] <didrocks> excellent!
[06:01] <didrocks> Mirv: what about the SDK stack? it seems it's failing, right? (one test on one configuration, so should be a racy tests)
[06:01] <didrocks> Mirv: did you catch some sdk people already?
[06:01] <didrocks> Kaleo: ^
[06:02] <didrocks> Mirv: also, can I manually publish the platform stack?
[06:03] <Mirv> didrocks: interesting, that's now the first time the same intel machine is giving a real error, yesterday it was dpkg error and I thought it was just random as ati/nvidia succeeded
[06:03] <didrocks> Mirv: oh, you didn't look at it yet? (normally, it should really be our first task of the day I guess ;))
[06:04] <Mirv> didrocks: hehe, yes I fired up with the Qt stuff right away, should have looked before
[06:04] <didrocks> Mirv: right, please get the habit :)
[06:05] <didrocks> Mirv: do you mind talking about it with the sdk team, to fix the flackyness?
[06:05] <didrocks> Mirv: also, once you have that settled down, please tell me if I can publish the platform stack for you
[06:05] <Mirv> didrocks: yep, a top most bookmark would work
[06:05] <didrocks> great!
[06:07] <Mirv> didrocks: I'll try to get someone to help in debugging it. it's a simple select that is failing, so it's a good question what's happening as it works here and on the other test machines.
[06:08] <didrocks> Mirv: yeah, there are videos attached as well to the jenkins job
[06:08] <didrocks> Mirv: so quite easy to see if it timed out or so on
[06:11] <Mirv> didrocks: checked platform, that's ok for manual publish
[06:12] <Mirv> didrocks: and heh, jenkins has poor UX but the stuff we have there otherwise is amazing
[06:12] <Mirv> it's not immediately clear, but it might the intel machine scrolls too slowly and tries to select an item before scroll is finished or something. sleep(1) might be the friend, let's see
[06:16] <didrocks> Mirv: platform manually published :)
[06:16] <didrocks> Mirv: agreed on the UI ;)
[06:31] <dholbach> good morning
[06:32] <salman2135> hii
[06:42] <zsombi> hello guys
[07:41] <tvoss> ogra_, ping
[07:46] <tvoss> mmrazik, ping
[07:46] <mmrazik> tvoss: pong
[08:31] <ogra_> tvoss, hey
[08:31] <tvoss> ogra_, unping :)
[08:33] <ogra_> heh
[08:53] <tvoss> seb128, ping
[09:12] <tvoss> didrocks, ping
[09:12] <didrocks> tvoss: in a hangout, what's up?
[09:13] <tvoss> didrocks, any tutorial on how to add a ppa to a chroot?
[09:14] <didrocks> tvoss: do you use pbuilder?
[09:15] <tvoss> didrocks, ack
[09:16] <tvoss> Saviq, ping
[09:17] <didrocks> tvoss: if you have my pbuilder hooks, you can create ~/.pbuilder-hooks/D10aptupdate (make it executable) simply with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667074/
[09:17] <Saviq> tvoss, pong
[09:17] <tvoss> Saviq, http://yangl.org/pdf/gstudio.pdf
[09:21] <seb128> tvoss, hey
[09:21] <seb128> tvoss, sorry I was debugging something and got carried away and forgot to pong ;-)
[09:32] <Saviq> tvoss, thanks, will have a look
[09:33] <tvoss> seb128, no worries. Did you have a chance to test the ubuntu-geoip provider on the phone, yet?
[09:33] <seb128> tvoss, no, I didn't ... was I supposed to test that or do you just ask in case?
[09:34] <seb128> tvoss, I tested dconf btw, it's already on the touch image (the phone app pulls it in) and is working fine
[09:34] <tvoss> seb128, just asking in case, running some test cases here and seeing weird behavior
[09:34] <tvoss> seb128, @dconf: great
[10:06] <mlankhorst> I was looking through the design docs, but what I'm missing is whether alarms will be supported when the device is powered off. Are you simply going to be out of luck when you set an alarm and the device is powered off at the time?
[10:08] <netcurli> mlankhorst: how is this handled on other smartphone OSes?
[10:09]  * mlankhorst tries on android
[10:12] <user82> mlankhorst, i am pretty sure off is off. the kernel and everything is stopped in android it theoretically drains zero battery when off
[10:12] <user82> or do you think there is a hardware clock that can wake the thing up? doubt it
[10:13] <netcurli> according to a quick google search it is the same thing on iOS
[10:13] <mlankhorst> Well I set the alarm for less than a minute in the future and shut it off, seems  the nexus 4 doesn't seem to wake up, but I think my n9 was capable of it.
[10:15] <user82> small ot but this is funny(read on the internet): An app that could turn on the phone (and activate the alarm) from cold would be nice. This would help those who like to leave their phone off at night.
[10:15] <user82> yes exactly a java app that runs on top of everything wakes the hardware up :P
[10:16] <mlankhorst> more like programming a rtc alarm, if it's available
[10:19] <user82> i doubt there is one mlankhorst
[10:19] <user82> or does android keep the date and time?
[10:19] <mlankhorst> no idea, I guess if the nexus 4 doesn't, we don't need to either
[10:20] <user82> the only 32.768kHz crystal in there is wired to the power management IC as far as i can see
[10:21] <mlankhorst> yeah np
[10:32] <Mohammad> hi every one
[10:32] <Mohammad> can any one help me?
[10:32] <Guest77908> i want to see a video about ubuntu touch
[10:33] <Guest77908> any video link?
[10:33] <Guest77908> thx
[10:40] <SybyAbraham> Hello! Anyone here?
[10:41] <Guest77908> yes
[10:41] <SybyAbraham> Yay!
[10:41] <Guest77908> >> <SybyAbraham> | yes
[10:41] <Guest77908> hello
[10:41] <SybyAbraham> Hello!
[10:42] <Guest77908> hi
[10:42] <SybyAbraham> I'm trying to get an error figured out on ubuntu touch.
[10:43] <Guest77908> when installing or downloading?
[10:44] <SybyAbraham> Ported, flashed, chroot working well but when I try to start qml-phone-shell I get qml-phone-shell: /build/buildd/ubuntu-platform-api-0.15/src/android/ubuntu_application_api.cpp:51: {anonyymous}::Bridge::Bridge(): Assertion `lib_handle && "Error loading ubuntu_application_api"' failed./
[10:44] <SybyAbraham> I thought the libs were missing but they weren't.
[10:44] <ogra_> you have them in your android build ?
[10:44] <t1mp> Guest77908: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ubuntu+touch&oq=ubuntu+touch
[10:44] <ogra_> (also you shouldnt need to start anything manually)
[10:44] <kalikiana> is anyone here using a Galaxy Tab? I'm basically stuck at 'Power reset or unknown upload mode' and cannot fix it
[10:45] <SybyAbraham> Yep, I do have it in the Android build.
[10:45] <ogra_> and it has the ubuntu libs in it ?
[10:45] <ogra_> (hybris and platform-api)
[10:45] <SybyAbraham> yes it does, in /system/libs
[10:46] <ogra_> did you make sure they are up to date when building (bzr pull in both of the subdirs before running brunch)
[10:46] <SybyAbraham> I did that as well! I pulled both of those branches.
[10:46] <ogra_> hmm, then it should tehoretically work
[10:47] <SybyAbraham> I know, but it doesn't. :(
[10:47] <SybyAbraham> I tried quantal, quantal mwc and raring builds all with the same issue.
[10:52] <SybyAbraham> I did bzr branch lp:platform-api
[10:52] <SybyAbraham> Is that right?
[10:52] <ogra_> no
[10:53] <SybyAbraham> pull instead of branch?
[10:53] <ogra_> "bzr pull" inside the platform-api directory of your phablet tree
[10:53] <ogra_> same for the hybris one
[10:54] <SybyAbraham> Alright! Thanks! I'll do that and see what happens.
[10:54] <SybyAbraham> Doesn't pahblet-dev-bootstrap do this automatically?
[10:54] <ogra_> it should tell you if it updated something
[10:54] <ogra_> pahblet-dev-bootstrap does it on the first checkout
[10:54] <ogra_> but brunch doesnt keep it up to date
[10:55] <SybyAbraham> oh, okay! Let me try that.
[11:04] <SybyAbraham> Pulled, building now.
[11:19] <popey> bug 1180345 ☹
[11:19] <ubot5`> bug 1180345 in gallery-app "Auto enhance crashes gallery app and deletes photo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180345
[11:27]  * tvoss complaints about gps cold starts taking _ages_
[11:32] <popey> tvoss: don't worry, gps takes _ages_ on android anyway
[11:35] <tvoss> popey, +1 on your comment on Marco's post :)
[11:36] <popey> ☻
[11:37] <SybyAbraham> ogra, same error!
[11:37] <ogra_> well, did the bzr pull actually update something ?
[11:37] <SybyAbraham> It did, it pulled 3 files along with a changelog
[11:37] <SybyAbraham> for platform-api
[11:38] <SybyAbraham> Didn't pull anything for hybris
[11:41] <mardy> renato_: ah :-)
[11:41] <mardy> renato_: it's about qdbusmenumodel, I can't get it to work
[11:41] <mardy> renato_: I'm trying the QMenuModel example file (render-menumodel.qml), but I always get an empty view
[11:42] <mardy> renato_: I changed the busName and path to "com.canonical.indicator.messages" and /com/canonical/indicator/messages/menu
[11:42] <mardy> renato_: and I added a few qDebugs here and there. I see that the model is connected, and that QMenuModel::onItemsChanged() is called with "added" > 0
[11:42] <mardy> renato_: but the view still stays empty
[11:42] <mardy> renato_: any ideas?
[11:42] <gianguido> hi chan :)
[11:43] <renato_> mardy, the desktop messaging menu is not compatible with the new one
[11:43] <renato_> mardy, you need to run the new messaging menu server or use any other new indicator
[11:44] <mardy> renato_: ok. Where do I find the new messaging menu server?
[11:44] <renato_> mardy, messaging menu server is very trick because it uses the same dbus name
[11:45] <mardy> renato_: I can try another one, I don't need exactly that one
[11:46] <Mirv> could I get someone, preferably two, to test the bug #1179937 on device? simple task, instructions in the description
[11:46] <ubot5`> bug 1179937 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "OSK does not appear in webapps" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1179937
[11:49] <mardy> renato_: I also tried indicator-network-menu-server, but I get the same empty model
[11:49] <mardy> renato_: can you point me at some indicator which is known to work?
[11:49] <renato_> mardy, let me check the example
[11:53] <ogra_> hmm, why the heck do we use a modified mountall
[11:53] <ogra_> (instead of just putting an .override file in place)
[12:08] <Namidairo> double dare you to have a ubuntu-on-air chat during the i/o keynote
[12:10] <renato_> mardy, there is something wrong with the test or the library itself I need to investigate
[12:10] <renato_> mardy, do you need this urgent?
[12:11] <mardy> renato_: it's actually almost blocking me
[12:11] <mardy> renato_: I could find something else to do, though
[12:13] <renato_> mardy, I will take a look soon, I have some meetings during the morning
[12:13] <mardy> renato_: thanks!
[12:27] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, so doing the container flip might become hard on maguro ... for some reason the boot.img size is limited to 4.5M ... with the kernel being 4.1M big
[12:27] <ogra_> i dont manage to produce such a small initrd
[13:26] <renato_> mardy, I found the problem
[13:26] <mardy> renato_: you rock! \o/
[13:26] <renato_> mardy, the example does not work because sometime ago I changed the qmenumodel to be a treemodel and I forgot to update the example
[13:27] <renato_> mardy, take a look on this example: https://pastebin.canonical.com/91028/
[13:27] <renato_> mardy, I did not make it fully functional but you can have some idea how the treemodel works on QML
[13:28] <renato_> mardy, you should be able to test it with "exportmenu.py" in the example folder
[13:28] <mardy> renato_: thanks a lot, I'll have a look
[13:28] <kenvandine> Saviq, for the people lens, what do you think about us dropping the avatar cache in friends and just providing the urls for avatars in the model?
[13:29] <kenvandine> and just rely on qml's image caching
[13:29] <mardy> renato_: maybe I can use something like this on the treemodel: https://codereview.qt-project.org/49564
[13:29] <Saviq> kenvandine, we're dropping the people lens TBH, but the functionality should be there in $contacts_app
[13:29] <kenvandine> Saviq, that's what causing the slowness in friends-app
[13:29] <Saviq> kenvandine, so I'm good with that
[13:29] <kenvandine> too many files in the avatar cache
[13:30] <kenvandine> we could solve that by splitting it up, etc... but not sure it's worth it
[13:30] <kenvandine> Saviq, cool
[13:30] <renato_> mardy, this is great :D, I have create a similar component in the indicators-client component, where you can export the treemodel as a flatmodel
[13:31] <renato_> mardy, is a bit different because my model export all nodes in the same level
[13:31] <kenvandine> Saviq, it's amazing how much smoother scrolling is when it loads the avatars online instead of from local files :-D
[13:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: is that the size of the partition?
[13:39] <ogra_> rsalveti, the partition is 8M ... the kernel defined ramdisk size is 8M in the kernel config too
[13:39] <ogra_> the only thing i can imagine here is a hardcoded value of 4.5M in the bootloader
[13:40] <rsalveti> ogra_: that's weird, what happens when you flash something bigger than 4.5?
[13:41] <ogra_> it hangs at the google screen
[14:04] <asd> Hey, someone here?
[14:13] <gianguido> hey asd
[15:17] <MacSlow> Saviq, if you could take another look, I did the remaining fixes... https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity/phablet-notification-renderer/+merge/155512 (rev. 599)
[15:17] <nerochiaro> sil2100: i found out what's preventing my fix to the autopilot tests, basically when i run the app once to setup the DB, i have to terminate it by sending it an ctrl+f4, but the autopilot keyboard object doesn't seem to exist on the test
[15:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, cheers
[15:51] <scottrosenquist> Hey. Could anyone tell me about saucy-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip. Whether it's currently available, where I can find it?
[15:56] <ChickenCutlass> scottrosenquist, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[15:57] <ogra_> scottrosenquist, for the android bits use the raring zip ...
[15:57] <ogra_> it would be identical to a saucy one anyway
[15:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, actually... maybe you should check if it's a number, too?
[15:58] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what should be a number?
[15:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the timeout
[15:58] <scottrosenquist> ogra_ so I can use todays mako .zip from raring with the armfs .zip from saucy?
[15:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I most often convert compare(obj.prop, value, message) to tryCompare(obj, "prop", value, message)
[15:58] <ogra_> scottrosenquist, use the mako zip from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ ... together with the saucy userspace from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[15:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, which results in 0 timeout...
[15:59] <ogra_> scottrosenquist, right
[15:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and quiet failure
[15:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ouch
[15:59] <scottrosenquist> ogra_ excellent, thank you so much. Final question, if I'm flashing through clockworkmod, I would flash the mako zip before the userspace, correct?
[16:00] <ogra_> i dont think the order matters, though i never tried flashing them the other way round
[16:00] <ogra_> but they write to different partitions
[16:01] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yep, will do as soon as this one gets approved
[16:01] <tsdgeos> step by step
[16:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sure
[16:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it'd probably be useful to make sure that the first argument is an object and the second a string?
[16:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just to complete the sanity checks
[16:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: if second is not a string it fails
[16:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok
[16:03] <tsdgeos> since atYEnd
[16:03] <tsdgeos> is nothing
[16:03] <tsdgeos> well, you could write 3
[16:03] <tsdgeos> and then no clue what would happen
[16:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, exactly ;)
[16:03] <scottrosenquist> ogra_ Thank you!
[16:03] <tsdgeos> let's see
[16:04] <tsdgeos> Saviq: tries to access property 3 and ends up failing
[16:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right, 3 could be a valid thing if it was an array
[16:05] <Saviq> not sure that's supported, though
[16:05] <tsdgeos> and same thing for using a 3 as item
[16:07] <tsdgeos> it ends up failing
[16:07] <tsdgeos> guess tries to access 3["atEnd"]
[16:07] <tsdgeos> whatever that is :D
[16:07] <tsdgeos> am i here?
[16:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes you are
[16:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, some lag, but yes
[16:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so yeah, some sanity check could be useful there :)
[16:10] <tsdgeos> greyback: CI failed now that we have the real tryCompares :D
[16:10] <tsdgeos> sad, works here :-/
[16:10] <greyback> tsdgeos: blast
[16:13] <tsdgeos> will check tomorrow
[16:13] <tsdgeos> probably needs some waitForRendering or something
[16:19] <nerochiaro> sil2100: ping
[16:50] <nerochiaro> sil2100:  om26er: hi, can you please check if this MR fixed the jenkins issues with notes-app autopilot failures ?
[16:52] <om26er> nerochiaro, where is the MR ;)
[16:54] <nerochiaro> om26er: whoops sorry: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/notes-app/notes-fix-autopilot-db-issues/+merge/164003
[17:02] <Manish> hello guys
[17:07] <Manish> hello everybosy can anyone help me?
[17:11] <ogra_> MAhow would we know ?
[17:11] <ogra_> !ask| Manish
[17:11] <ubot5`> Manish: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[17:11] <Manish> ubots i need a devolper to help me
[17:13] <davmor2> Manish: it means ask the question then a dev might be able to help you
[17:13] <Manish> i plan to launch ubuntu touch for mobile in india so as i am not a devolper i would need devolper to help me because i want to make customized ubuntu touch and launch in india
[17:15] <Manish> i want to add lot of things in ubuntu like i would change the ui and add lot of other features but first i need to test it on a device so am stuck there i dont know how to install ubuntu on my phone..
[17:18] <om26er> nerochiaro, confirmed, your branch fixes the db issue
[17:19] <om26er> nerochiaro, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-runner/1462/
[17:19] <priya> hii can i install ubuntu tounch on iball slide
[17:19] <priya> please answer??
[17:20] <Manish> hello priya you van install
[17:20] <priya> thanks manish
[17:20] <priya> will try today itself
[17:21] <om26er> nerochiaro, both the failing tests pass on the desktop however
[17:25] <Manish> i need a dev who can help change the curent ui of ubuntu touch and add dual wifi support
[17:26] <Oranger> Manish: Dual wifi ?
[17:27] <Manish> yes ability to connect 2 wifi connections into 1 to get higher speed
[17:27] <om26er> :O
[17:28] <Manish> or you can ability to connect 2 data connections into 1 ...
[17:30] <Manish> oranger is it possible?
[17:30] <Oranger> Manish: I heard about it, but I don't know how to implement this
[17:31] <Manish> oranger its alredy running on huwaei android phone
[17:31] <Oranger> Manish: And I don't see why it would be in ui ^^
[17:31] <Oranger> Manish: Is it in core yet ?
[17:31] <Manish> not in ui oranger
[17:32] <Manish> oranger sorry i am not dev so i don knw wat is core..sorry
[17:32] <Oranger> Manish: Oh ok :)
[17:32] <Oranger> Manish: But, you are not a ui dev ?
[17:32] <Manish> i am not a dev..i am a business man
[17:33] <awe_> Manish, if you mean 802.11n support, it's already supported
[17:33] <Manish> awe can i connect 2 data connections onto 1 and use it?
[17:34] <awe_> you connect to a single AP
[17:34] <awe_> and the thruput goes up if the AP supports 802.11n
[17:35] <Manish> ok awe
[17:36] <awe_> 802.11n supports multiple antennas, which can make the thru-put go up
[17:36] <Manish> awe is it possible to build a system which can connect internet via usb dongle??on ubuntu
[17:36] <Manish> awe thanks a lot for info
[17:36] <awe_> sure... but this isn't something we're focusing on right now for touch
[17:36] <Manish> i know awe its a very small thing
[17:37] <awe_> making the core networking features work ( wi-fi, 2g/3g data, ... ) are more important
[17:37] <Manish> awe can we change the Ui of ubuntu touch like in android each company has there own ui
[17:38] <Oranger> "each company has there own ui" ?
[17:38] <awe_> I'm not a UI guy, but yes...as everything's open source, it should be possible for UI customization.   You might want to ask more specific questions on the mailing list
[17:38] <Manish> oranger for eg Htc has sense ui,samsung has touch wiz
[17:38] <awe_> I actually have to go offline for awhile...
[17:38] <awe_> ttyl
[17:39] <Oranger> Manish: Oh ok, so yes you can of course :)
[18:01] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok, i'll look into these two other failing tests tomorrow
[18:43] <sergiusens> mzanetti: you still about?


[01:47] <Oderus> hey. this has been driving me abseloutely nuts all day. I've been trying to change the shutdown/reboot/logout buttons on the Application Menui've changed a lot of icons over and deleted the icon cache many times and i still cannot find it. any ideas????
[02:10] <valorie> Oderus: you might ask in #plasma during euro-work hours
[02:23] <Oderus> valorie: ty
[02:38] <ahoneybun> Oderus: maybe try /usr/share/icons/breeze
[02:38] <ahoneybun> that's what the breeze icons are
[02:39] <Oderus> ahoneybun: ok ty
[02:50] <user|50775> can anyone help me
[05:26] <Osirus126> nickserv
[05:26] <Osirus126> opse
[05:26] <Osirus126> lol
[05:41] <hateball> hmmm, why is 16.10 still offered on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ ?
[05:41] <hateball> I know it's not EOL just yet but...
[05:58] <oerheks> hateball, no clue why, but it is supported, so it is nice you can
[05:58] <oerheks> good thing is 64 bit is standard
[05:58] <oerheks> * selected
[05:58] <hateball> well sure
[05:58] <hateball> just... seen enough people needing !eolupgrade
[05:58] <hateball> seems bad to promote it :p
[05:59] <oerheks> hmm there is something changed, i noticed, one does not need to use eolupgrade path ??
[05:59] <oerheks> even from EOL versions one can update, i mean
[06:26] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:52] <acheronuk> hateball: add a note that it will reach EOL in July
[06:52] <acheronuk> *added
[06:53] <hateball> acheronuk: neat :)
[07:21] <cesroc> Hi, I have one problem with my Kubuntu and I am trying to solve since two days. I didn't find similar problems in internet. Maybe someone could help me.
[07:21] <hateball> !ask | cesroc
[07:23] <cesroc> When I use a memory stick the system crashes completely I need to restart turning computer off (shutdown). I disabled automatic mount to check what it was happening. I saw when I mount the memory stick it keeps coming mount: unable to fork and the swap memory increases until it is full (if I don't stop the command). What could be the problem?
[07:29] <hateball> cesroc: do you have several sticks to try?
[07:31] <cesroc> Yes, I tried with four different sticks with size of 1GB and 4GB and with an external hard drive (2TB), always same behaviour
[07:31] <hateball> cesroc: regardless of USB port also?
[07:32] <cesroc> yes, I tried in all three ports, all the same
[07:32] <hateball> hmmm
[07:32] <cesroc> and I tried using a live CD, on live cd it worked fine
[07:33] <hateball> ah well that is good at least
[07:33] <hateball> means no hardware errors
[07:34] <hateball> it would have been interesting to see the full error message
[07:34] <hateball> if you can dump it to a file in time before everything crashes :p
[07:35] <hateball> cesroc: have you tried creating a new user and login as that, test to plug in?
[07:36] <cesroc> No, I didn't try create a new user.
[07:37] <hateball> cesroc: you could try that, in case there is some strange config for your user that creates the problem
[07:37] <hateball> cesroc: otherwise it would be a system-wide thing
[07:38] <cesroc> I thought about reinstall, but I will try create a new user first. Thanks for the idea :)
[08:21] <bschindler> Hi - I'm on 16.04 lts (and have to stay there), but need latest cmake (well, at least 3.6, lts has 3.5). What would be the easiest way to get this?
[08:25] <oerheks> bschindler, build 3.7 yourself? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake or find an *unsupported* ppa like https://launchpad.net/~josh-bialkowski/+archive/ubuntu/cmake
[08:25] <oerheks> i would build it, but then again, maybe you end up in a dependecie hell
[08:41] <bschindler> oerheks: I have so far never really built from source - do you have a pointer on how to do this?
[08:44] <oerheks> there is amanual for this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo .. start with installing build-essential checkinstall
[08:48] <bschindler> oerheks: I mean building from a source deb/from launchpad. I'm generally familiar with building software, just not with the debian/ubuntu way
[11:21] <tina> test
[11:22] <jubo2> read you lond and clear tina
[11:22] <jubo2> *loud even
[12:18] <Taggnostr> hello
[12:20] <Taggnostr> my kubuntu 17.04 keeps freezing, what can I do to investigate the problem?
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr,  any particular apps or just freeze in general?
[12:26] <Taggnostr> BluesKaj, it goes from sudden freeze (can't even move the cursor) to breaking down progressively until it gets to a complete freeze
[12:27] <Taggnostr> now the screen border disappeared, I had pieces of windows I had closed around, if I clicked on some program in the background it wouldn't move to the foreground (but I could get the focus on it)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr,  which gpu ? and have you installed the recommended driver ?
[12:27] <Taggnostr> also I noticed that chromium has been really laggy for no apparent reason (plenty of ram and cpu)
[12:27] <Taggnostr> an AMD APU, I think so but I could check
[12:28] <BluesKaj> yeah, think we need to know
[12:28] <Taggnostr> and I think it was working ok before the update to 17.04, but I haven't used this machine for a few months and updated it shortly after I started using it again
[12:29] <hateball> Taggnostr: you could try upgrading to a later mesa
[12:29] <Taggnostr> in the driver manager I only have a checkbox that says "Using Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs from amd64-microcode"
[12:29] <hateball> via the PPA
[12:29] <Taggnostr> and it's checked
[12:30] <hateball> Taggnostr: at your own peril you can try this https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/pkppa
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr,  xserver-xorg-cideo amdgpu installed?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> cideo=video
[12:32] <Taggnostr> E: Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-video, same for amdgpu
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr,  correction,  xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
[12:33] <BluesKaj> sorry about the muckup
[12:33] <Taggnostr> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu is already the newest version (1.3.0-0ubuntu1).
[12:33] <Taggnostr> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu set to manually installed.
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr,  I see you're crossposting so I guess the #ubuntu helpers can take over from here :/
[12:39] <Taggnostr> sorry, I asked here yesterday and got no reply, and after 5 minutes with no replies here and not much life in the backlog I asked there too
[13:50] <TBotNik> All: I upgrade to MySQL 5.7 on both my server and laptop and now I always get the error then abort, when attempting any other install, "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! mysql-apt-config".  I have no idea, at this point what to look for to clear this, so I can install further.  Please help!
[19:24] <bj9297> hi there
[19:24] <bj9297> I'm looking for channel call nas-central
[19:27] <krytarik> !alis
[19:29] <bj9297> thnaks
[23:59] <Oderus> anyone know how to change the icons for the application menu power options?? (logout/shutdown/suspend)


[02:57] <pikurasa> Shot in the dark: Anyone else having trouble booting their machine after the last update of refind? (I use a macintosh that I liberated with UbuntuStudio et al)
[02:57] <cfhowlett> pikurasa, "anyone else" questions tend to be a huge waste of time.  instead, provide YOUR details about YOUR isssue.
[02:57] <cfhowlett> thanks
[03:26] <pikurasa> Okay, how about this: Do you know where to go for efi help? I don't see anything in freenode. Problem is simple: I cannot boot into any partition at all.
[03:26] <pikurasa> Pictures:
[03:26] <pikurasa> https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/pikurasa/m/boot-not-working1/
[03:26] <pikurasa> https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/pikurasa/m/boot-not-working2/
[03:27] <pikurasa> https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/pikurasa/m/boot-not-working3/
[03:27] <pikurasa> Descriptions at bottom of images
[03:27] <cfhowlett> !mac | pikurasa, that's a macbook?
[03:29] <cfhowlett> pikurasa, as you HAD  a working system but it broke after update, I'd guess you booted a new kernel - a kernel that refind didn't factory in.
[03:29] <cfhowlett> *factor*
[03:29] <pikurasa> I tried different versions of the kernel
[03:30] <cfhowlett> ask the mac ubuntu folk
[03:33] <pikurasa> Anyone want to buy a macbook? I keep the hard drive. I will give you a good deal. Happy to trade it in for a ThinkPad. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! This is what I am stuck with! Okay, sorry. Know I am wasting time. Ahhhhhhhhhhh! (hopefully a modicum of entertainment here... hopefully)
[03:33] <pikurasa> Over and out!
[03:33] <pikurasa> Thanks!
[03:34] <cfhowlett> good luck.
[03:35] <pikurasa> On more UbuntuStudio related topic: this is latest build of media on this software that I am trying to show around to schools and stuff -- https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/pikurasa/m/why-i-think-musicblocks-is-cool/
[03:35] <pikurasa> Thanks for help with making it.
[03:35] <pikurasa> Hopefully my laptop works for tomorrow's meeting with kid maker-space...
[03:35] <pikurasa> later!
[13:28] <sakrecoer> hm... i haven't installed chromium, but i get an upgrade for chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra. why is that?
[13:33] <sakrecoer> sorry... i think its a question for #ubuntu
[21:11] <sunstar> ane)
[21:11] <sunstar> awwwwwwww
[21:11] <sunstar> not cool.
[21:12] <sunstar> but yall deserve to know.    open source iz going to the moon! we be in talks wth nasa about what 60lbs payload we be sending and the entire project is opensource!
[21:14] <sunstar> and it all started on an odriod running ubuntustudio
[21:14] <sunstar> (you can thank 3DR, vectornav and sunstar)


[22:55] <andrewmin> quick question: what's the difference between the Ubuntu Wiki and the help.ubunut.com/community site?
[22:56] <dutchie> afaik, help.ubuntu.com/community is meant for actual help, while the wiki is meant for development docs and team organisation and such
[22:56] <dutchie> i don't think that's followed to the letter though
[22:58] <andrewmin> ok, but doesn't wiki.ubuntu.com host a lot of howto articles?
[22:58] <andrewmin> are howtos generally supposed to be on the community or wiki?
[22:58] <dutchie> i think this is where the "not being followed to the letter" bit kicks in, but I'm not 100% sure on that
[22:58] <andrewmin> alright, thanks
[22:58] <dutchie> probably best to see if someone who knows what they're talking about chips in :)
[22:58] <andrewmin> if anyone else knows, feel free to say so :)
[23:06] <synergetic> From what I've seen (and I'm just the casual observer, no one official), I think the wiki isn't -meant- to be howto articles as such. i think it was meant to be project summaries and organising and such and the howtos on help.ubuntu... but yeah, it's all sort of a jumble. i think this is something that people have been discussing, having a one-place which is organised with for how-tos and documentation
[23:07] <andrewmin> ok


[00:46] <Akiva-Mobile> So I am curious; what projects for the phone is everyone working on?
[00:50] <mhall119> Akiva-Mobile: have you seen the list of core apps being developed?
[00:51] <mhall119> Akiva-Mobile: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[00:51] <Akiva-Mobile> mhall119: No. A flashlight might be good to make a core app, to avoid the market being flooded out of the gate :P
[00:52] <Akiva-Mobile> For the email client, are you guys thinking of jumping back to evolution?
[00:58] <dmdrummond> mhall119: Has the name changed from Ubuntu Phone to Touch?
[01:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmdrummond: Someone told me they are calling it the uPhone now.
[01:15] <nOStahl> they are changing the name?
[01:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> wotac < world of tactics - do you think its a good nickname for it?
[01:46] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: I think I will try and go ahead with the idea of creating a map generator that creates its terrain by reading GoogleMaps (or open maps, whatever)
[01:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I figure it will have enough interest for other projects to find contributors
[01:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and it is indeed, a very neato idea,
[01:48] <nOStahl> aye open street maps will do that for you np
[01:48] <nOStahl> terrain data etc.
[01:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I always thought of the prospect of a game whos environment perfectly reflected the real world,
[01:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> figured it was a pipe dream though given the resources involved. With maps as detailed as they are though...
[01:53] <SkavenXXI> like this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nianticproject.ingress
[01:54] <isaias> hi. I will be able to use C++ to modify my ubuntu phone when it comes out, right?
[01:55] <dmdrummond> isaias: do you mean to write apps?
[01:56] <isaias> please dont tell me its going to be like iphone and android apps. s anything wrong with it, i'm just sick of that entire system.
[01:56] <isaias> not that there's anything wrong with them**
[01:56] <dmdrummond> isaias: You will need to clarify what you mean in order to get an answer
[01:57] <isaias> ok, what language do i need to learn to make something i can use on the phone
[01:57] <dmdrummond> isaias: qml at the moment
[01:58] <dmdrummond> isaias: although web apps are to be first class citizens too
[02:00] <dmdrummond> isaias: see here http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[02:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> What is ubuntu's prefferred license?
[02:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I assume linus's is gpl3
[02:14] <nOStahl> this is amazing article http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ read it Akiva-Thinkpad :)
[02:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: No I decided to go with cvs
[02:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Much better
[02:15] <nOStahl> ugh
[02:16] <nOStahl> be prepared to wait around for hours as your code base builds up
[02:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: Im kidding
[02:16] <nOStahl> lol
[02:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: Linus says that tarball trading was a much superior management system than cvs
[02:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: Did you see his google tech talk on git?
[02:17] <nOStahl> don't think I did
[02:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> As far as google tech talks are concerned, the house was packed with google employees
[02:17] <nOStahl> I have not had much time to consume content lately just learning jquery and such
[02:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: I think it was way back in 08
[02:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I liked old linus. Linus today is rude and vulgar.
[02:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> old linus was more contained in public.
[02:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Dunno about the kernel mailing list though.
[02:35] <frankencode> http://imagebin.org/247022
[02:35] <kostkon_> frankencode, cool
[02:35] <nOStahl> interesting view
[02:36] <frankencode> my first shot
[02:36] <nOStahl> first letter of each day for column headers maybe
[02:37] <frankencode> M T W T F S S
[02:37] <frankencode> hmmm....
[02:37] <nOStahl> or S M T W T F S
[02:37] <nOStahl> whatever the person's set the start of their week to
[02:37] <frankencode> yes, it is freely configurable
[02:38] <frankencode> you can start on friday if you like
[02:38] <nOStahl> it looks like all the apps have a huge header
[02:38] <frankencode> it disappears atomagically
[02:38] <nOStahl> oh good! heh
[02:38] <nOStahl> I'm a very AVID calendar user
[02:38] <frankencode> lets see how to goes in landscape
[02:39] <nOStahl> my zimbra server is mainly for calendars and tasks that happens to serve my email as well lol
[02:39] <frankencode> i better commit the code now, it's 3:40 in the morning already
[02:40] <nOStahl> I just got done reading http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
[02:40] <nOStahl> looks to be the way ubuntu schedules its flow too
[02:41] <frankencode> i'm pretty happy with the merge-only bzr workflow
[02:42] <nOStahl> i run my own gitlab server and loving it :)
[02:43] <frankencode> real hackers build their own dominions
[02:44] <frankencode> ohh, i start to sound like a lisa bot
[02:44] <nOStahl> are you working on the core calendar app or your own spin?
[02:45] <frankencode> i'll push it i a second...
[02:51] <frankencode> https://code.launchpad.net/~frankencode/ubuntu-calendar-app/ubuntu-calendar-app
[02:53] <frankencode> i'd liked to put the day names on the header separator
[02:54] <nOStahl> if you want to keep it clean too….. maybe when swiping over the days it just fades them in and out
[02:54] <nOStahl> neat effect and keeps it clean
[02:54] <nOStahl> people don't REALY need the days to display 100% of the time etc.
[02:55] <nOStahl> and they will like the play ability of the swiping
[02:55] <frankencode> the headers are really wasteful
[02:56] <nOStahl> where it says Calendar >
[02:56] <nOStahl> ?
[02:56] <frankencode> yes
[02:56] <nOStahl> didn't you say they auto fade away
[02:56] <frankencode> they do
[02:57] <nOStahl> that little gray bar in-between it and the calendar stays though and everything slides up after Calendar > fades
[02:57] <frankencode> let's see: "Calendar 2013 >"
[02:58] <frankencode> guess the design team will kill me for putting the year there
[03:00] <nOStahl> what do you think of the swipe effect
[03:01] <nOStahl> for showing the days in that gray bar
[03:03] <frankencode> showing the weekdays in the separator bar of the tab header?
[03:03] <frankencode> was my thinking
[03:03] <nOStahl> aye that gray bar
[03:03] <frankencode> yes, it's called a separator
[03:04] <nOStahl> aye
[03:04] <JuppMCO> Does anyone know if the preview will work on a version Galaxy Nexus?
[03:05] <JuppMCO> ^verizon
[03:05] <frankencode> u tell us
[03:08] <JuppMCO> I guess I'll wait until the 21st
[08:34] <comjf> howdy guys. Someone told me of a great resource for creating a wrapper for my c++ code into QML, but I lost the link
[08:34] <comjf> anyone know of good tutorials?
[09:15] <comjf> I just need bootstrapping information, aka, what libs to link against to actually get the QObject into my c++ code, etc
[11:49] <RipIT> Someone here who knows if i can use Ubuntu OS in a Nokia smartphone? for example the Nokia Lumia 920.
[12:01] <dmdrummond> RipIT: Unlikely, currently they are targeting android-phones as they already have kernels and drivers
[12:13] <sky770> http://www.canonical.com/content/touch-developer-preview-ubuntu-be-published-21-february-2013 << is great but only for nexus / nexus 4
[12:14]  * sky770 looking forward to HTC DS porting
[13:42] <rob_w> will we be able to start porting to other/own devices after 21th feb ?
[13:42] <smartboyhw> rob_w, yes
[13:42] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:42] <rob_w> u involved somehow '?
[13:43] <smartboyhw> rob_w, no. That is what I KNOW of:P
[13:43] <rob_w> kk cool
[13:43] <rob_w> i wonder alot about its internals , userspace , libs etc
[13:43] <smartboyhw> BTW a question from me too: Since Ubuntu ARM builds doesn't support ARMv7 phones, would it mean that it wouldn't support ARMv6 smartphones too
[13:43] <smartboyhw> ?
[13:44] <rob_w> why does it not support armv7
[13:44] <rob_w> imho this is the most spread atm
[13:45] <smartboyhw> rob_w, sorry armv6 :P
[13:45] <smartboyhw> s/ARMv7/ARMv6
[13:45] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:45] <rob_w> that makes a difference
[13:46] <rob_w> i dont care about armv6 ..
[13:46] <smartboyhw> rob_w, I do care
[13:46]  * smartboyhw has a Samsung Galaxy Pocket released last year in 2012 and since it is a budget phone it uses ARMv6
[13:46] <smartboyhw> And Canonical has said that they would support budget phones
[13:47] <rob_w> true,  budget phones  should be a target, though a not so funny one
[13:47] <rob_w> but it doubt that they will not have armv6 support at some stage
[13:48] <rob_w> i bet in the beginning they will show it in all its fancyness and want the power they get
[13:48] <rob_w> i am actually hoping for a nice stack in order to run it not only on phones but kiosks and industrial heads
[14:01] <sky770> whoa :O >> "<smartboyhw> BTW a question from me too: Since Ubuntu ARM builds doesn't support ARMv7 phones, would it mean that it wouldn't support ARMv6 smartphones too" wha the frig. ? :D
[14:01] <smartboyhw> sky770, I meant ARMv6
[14:01] <smartboyhw> SORRY AGAIN:P
[14:01] <sky770> if it wouldn't support armv7 hahaha..everyone wha we call "fkd" :D
[14:01] <sky770> ah nvm
[14:01] <sky770> :p
[14:33] <bzoltan> smartboyhw:  I am not an arch expert, but as I remember jaunty, karmic did support ARMv5/6. The v6 Galaxy devices are the Ace and Gio... both two years old. Do you know any recent smartphone what comes with v6?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> bzoltan, Galaxy Pocket (1 year old, which I am using)
[14:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I am thinking of using Panda for my engine, based on the reception it has, and its bsd license
[14:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> anyone have any experience with it?
[14:36] <bzoltan> smartboyhw:  True... but checking the specs of the Pocket it is pretty much a 2-3 years old story.
[14:36] <smartboyhw> bzoltan, the story:P
[14:36] <smartboyhw> It is still in sale here in Hong Kong
[14:36] <smartboyhw> I bought it in October I think
[14:39] <bzoltan> smartboyhw:  I have a RaspberryPI for media center :) It is perfect for the purpose and cheap, but I think for a smooth and flawless UI expereince and targeting 14.04 date it is understandable that Ubuntu's choice is the v8 and not the v6. Most of the devices with v6 are cool, nice, but I would not call them fresh :)
[14:39] <smartboyhw> bzoltan, yeah
[14:40] <bzoltan> smartboyhw:  But no question :) i would love to use Ubuntu on my R-Pi
[14:40] <smartboyhw> bzoltan, ;)
[14:49] <Andy80> bzoltan1, hi! I'm still facing that qmake problem and I'm not able to compile anything :\ do you know how could I fix it?
[14:50] <Andy80> andrea@andrea-Inspiron-660:~$ qmake
[14:50] <Andy80> qmake: could not open config file '/usr/share/qtchooser//default.conf': No such file or directory
[14:50] <bzoltan1> Andy80: Hello, do you have qt5-default installed?
[14:51] <Andy80> yes it is
[14:51] <Andy80> "qt5-default is already the newest version"
[14:51] <Andy80> I can try a re-install maybe...
[14:52] <Andy80> nope... I reinstalled using Synaptic, but nothing changed
[15:02] <Andy80> bzoltan1, only qt4-default is not installed, but this is normal since they would conflict
[15:03] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  Which Qt5  PPA are you using ?
[15:04] <Andy80> bzoltan1, this http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa/ubuntu
[15:05] <Andy80> and I also have this http://ppa.launchpad.net/ui-toolkit/ppa/ubuntu
[15:05] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  That is the SDK.... what about the Qt5?
[15:05] <Andy80> and also this one http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper/ubuntu
[15:05] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  Are you using Raring?
[15:05] <Andy80> no, Quantal
[15:06] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  That is good. In that case you need a major clean up :)
[15:06] <bzoltan1> Andy80: http://askubuntu.com/questions/254800/how-can-i-update-the-ubuntu-sdk-preview-from-the-qt-5-beta-ppa-to-the-qt-5-relea/
[15:06] <Andy80> ah ok, let me give a look :)
[15:07] <bzoltan1> Andy, you need this command: $ grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net*sdk*Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net*ui-toolkit*Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net*qt5-beta-proper*Packages |awk '{print $2}'|xargs sudo apt-get -y remove
[15:08] <bzoltan1> and  sudo ppa-purge ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper  and the other two PPAs
[15:08] <Andy80> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[15:08] <Andy80> it's removing even ubuntu-desktop :(
[15:09] <Andy80> omfg!
[15:09] <Andy80> please tell me how to undo the previsous command :(
[15:10] <frankencode> next time run with "-s", first
[15:10] <Andy80> bzoltan1, it's removing the WHOLE system :(
[15:11] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  hmm... it should not remove the whole sytem.. I use this command every day to clean up and reinstall the SDK
[15:12] <bzoltan1> Andy80: Sorry
[15:12] <Andy80> bzoltan1, look with your own eyes http://pastebin.com/f7qeYXCi :(
[15:14] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  Do you use KDE? That surely have dependencies on Qt packages
[15:14] <Andy80> bzoltan1, I'm using Unity....
[15:14] <Andy80> normal Unity
[15:14] <Andy80> it, for example, just removed everything related to Wt
[15:14] <Andy80> Qt
[15:14] <Andy80> Skype, Spotify etc...
[15:14] <bzoltan1> de-runtime kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-plugins
[15:15] <bzoltan1> Ctrl-C is is still on your keyboard, dude
[15:15] <Andy80> but I didn't want to interrupt the operation in the middle....
[15:15] <Andy80> it didn't ask me for any confirmation before starting removing packages
[15:16] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  there is no problem. You haeve the logs, copy and paste  the packages you need and apt-get install them
[15:16] <bzoltan1>  Andy80: apt-get -y does not ask questions
[15:16] <Andy80> ok, I'm going to do it right now..
[15:17] <bzoltan1>  Andy80: I am sorry
[15:17] <Andy80> nope :\
[15:17] <Andy80> I just would have preferred to spend the next couple of hours in a different way :P
[15:23] <bzoltan1> Andy80: it is just one apt-get install, do not worry
[15:26] <bzoltan1> Andy80: copy the text from the pastebin you gave to a file comm and run this> sudo apt-get install `cat comm |grep Removing|awk '{print $2}'|perl -i -p -e  "s/\n/ /g"`  Yes, it will ask you
[15:27] <bzoltan1> remove those packages from the list what it can not install with instertin |egrep -v "package|package|package"| before the perl and after the grep Removing
[15:28] <Andy80> oh... already tried manually.... with this command: http://pastebin.com/sPfEPcsV
[15:28] <Andy80> I will let this finish first
[15:32] <bzoltan1> Andy80: cool, you will survive :)
[15:32] <Andy80> I hope :D
[15:32] <bzoltan1> Anyhow... you had two UI Toolkit PPA and the qt5 PPA what we use for staging in your system.
[15:33] <Andy80> the old Qt5 PPA was removed... do I have to remove any other PPA?
[15:33] <Andy80> bzoltan1, do you want me to post you my repository list somewhere?
[15:34] <bzoltan1> Andy80: no need. just remove all the Qt5 and UI Toolkit PPAs and packages... make a clean system
[15:35] <Andy80> bzoltan1, uhmm... so which PPA do I have to leave installed?
[15:35] <Andy80> installed/enabled I mean
[15:35] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  do not leave enabled anything... first clan up
[15:35] <bzoltan1> clean
[15:36] <Andy80> oh wait then... first let me finish reinstalling ubuntu-desktop and all the old packages...
[15:36] <Andy80> then I will clean
[15:36] <bzoltan1> the `dpkg -l|grep Qt` should not list any Qt5 package
[15:37] <Andy80> why do I need to use dpkg -l|grep Qt ?
[15:38] <Andy80> p.s: just finished reinstalling my old packages
[15:40] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  dpkg -l lists all your packages and grep Qt check what Qt packages you have
[15:40] <Andy80> ok... and once I have the list?
[15:42] <bzoltan1> Do you see there Qt5 packages?
[15:42] <Andy80> yes, lot of them
[15:42] <Andy80> I just reinstalled manually, as I told you
[15:43] <Andy80> I remove all the Qt5 packages first, ok?
[15:44] <bzoltan1> OK
[15:44] <bzoltan1> and purge the PPAs
[15:49] <Andy80> I just removed a bunch using Synaptic, but using: dpkg -l|grep Qt, I still see a lot of them. I don't know how to remove them all
[15:51] <Andy80> I'm trying again..
[15:55] <Andy80> bzoltan1, ok, this is my current situation http://pastebin.com/yPzn1Eqa is it clean now?
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> http://imagebin.org/247068 << concept art for the type of game I am developing.
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Well, doodle more like it
[16:33]  * Andy80 will be back later
[17:57] <bzoltan1> Andy80: looks better. I would clean up the packaged marked with rc: $ dpkg -l|grep Qt|grep rc| xargs sudo dpkg --purge
[18:35] <OSIEL> what i need to develop app for ubuntu phone?
[18:38] <mainerror> PAAOOOWW!! I just built my first Ubuntu package. Like a bauce.
[18:56] <denny_george> v
[19:09] <bzoltan1> OSIEL: You need this http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[21:12] <comjf> Does anyone know any good resources for binding existing c++ classes into QML
[21:12] <comjf> like starting steps too (what libs to import into eclipse etc)


[00:37] <BUGabundo_NCIS> nite
[09:17] <BUGabundo_remote> Welcome to Ibiza Summer Time!
[09:25] <alex88> :)
[11:28] <PsYoS> hello
[11:29] <PsYoS> anybody here ?
[11:33] <alex88> hi PsYoS
[11:33] <PsYoS> hello
[11:33] <PsYoS> :)
[11:33] <alex88> :) sup?
[11:34] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[11:35] <alex88> what?
[11:43] <PsYoS> what
[11:43] <PsYoS> ;)
[11:43] <PsYoS> cya
[11:43] <PsYoS> :]
[11:44] <alex88> O.o
[11:44] <alex88> asshole
[11:44] <yofel> o.O
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> !coc | alex88
[11:45] <alex88> ok sorry..
[11:47] <alex88> sipmle question, i'm trying to run dhcpd3 in a script..it says permission denied reading the config file... but i've run as root, and the file is 777,...any clue?
[11:48] <yofel> apparmor maybe?
[11:49] <alex88> basic 10.04 install
[11:49] <alex88> never messed with it..
[11:50] <yofel> oh cool, todays aptitude upgrade gives me: Suggest 372 removals, 23 keeps
[11:50] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: lOL
[11:50] <BUGabundo_remote> I had 280MBs of packages
[11:51] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: aptitude *SAFE*80op+
[11:51] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: aptitude *SAFE*-upgrade
[11:51] <yofel> that was 'U' in the curses interface, but yeah, will have to do safe-upgrade for now
[11:52] <arand> removing libc6-i686 can't be a good idea?
[11:54] <yofel> ah, thanks to qt4.7beta1 it wants to remove pretty much my whole kde install ^^
[11:56] <yofel> nice, 508M to download even with safe-upgrade
[11:56] <yofel> too much -dbg stuff installed ^^
[11:57] <arand> Woo, we got history in S-C, nice!
[11:59] <arand> But you can't do anything with the packages from the history interface :(
[12:06] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.7 was waanting to remove most of my KDE install, now it just wants to remove the pyqt-based stuff
[12:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, and kdebase-workspace
[13:13] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: I was what!?
[13:13] <yofel> huh?
[13:14] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: ?
[13:15] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-05-21 11:51:48) yofel: that was 'U' in the curses interface, but yeah, will have to do safe-upgrade for now
[13:16] <yofel> The 'Suggest 372 removals, 23 keeps' was from pressing 'U' in aptitude-curses
[13:17] <yofel> dunno if that does the same as 'upgrade' or 'full-upgrade' or whatever
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh
[13:36] <yofel> I didn't mean U as in u :P
[13:37] <BUGabundo_remote> now I know
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> yofel: once the new python-qt4 publishes, it should fix the "apt-wants-to-remove-all-of-KDE" thing
[13:58] <yofel> ok, thx :)
[16:01]  * BluesKaj looks for a maverick repos ...not real enthusiastic about editing the sources.list and changing lucid to maverick
[16:02] <yofel> only way until alpha1 though
[16:04] <BluesKaj> yeah, i did have it  on my older pc , but I inherited a new desktop , or rather bought it from my daughter, since she went with a laptop exclusively , now that she's gonna be on the road so much.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> yofel, are you running maverick ?
[16:05] <arand> BluesKaj: It's quite simple sedding the sources.list really...
[16:05] <yofel> on my eeePC yes
[16:05] <yofel> works fine, but the repos is pretty messed up right now
[16:05] <yofel> you need to be very careful when upgrading
[16:06] <arand> It all depends if one wants to get onto maverick at this stage though...
[16:07] <BluesKaj> which repos should I edit , universe, multiverse etc ?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> arand, so what do you mean sedding ?
[16:10] <arand> BluesKaj: sudo sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list (Only do it if you have a reasonably clean sources.list and it will _overwrite_ it.
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok arand , I'll check my sources list first
[16:15] <arand> BluesKaj: You could do it like so  "sed 's/lucid/maverick/' sources.list > sources.list.mm" and check the result first and then replace with the new .mm.
[16:17] <arand> Or better yet, just cp sources.list sources.list_BAK before you sed it
[16:17] <BluesKaj> right , that's what was going to do, arand
[16:30] <BluesKaj> ok brn
[16:30] <BluesKaj> brb
[16:44] <BluesKaj> arand, sorry i lost that command for sedding the sources list, I guess I didn.t save it properly in my cli commands list file
[16:44] <arand> BluesKaj: sudo sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list (Only do it if you have a reasonably clean sources.list and it will _overwrite_ it.
[16:46] <BluesKaj> ok arand thanks, I'll be sure to save it this time , but I will be editing some of the ppa sources out first
[16:47] <arand> Yea, most ppas will likely not have maverick stuff.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> ok arand , allseemed to gowell, dolphin had a broken dependency which I fixed with synaptic
[17:33] <arand> Nice, now enjoy the awesomeness hrm*breakage*hrm that is the kat!
[17:39] <BluesKaj> arand, I'm always on the next dev after an official release ...that's the fun of it
[17:39] <arand> True dat, stable is *boooring*
[17:40]  * arand tries ti hide his main Karmic install
[17:40] <luis_lopez> anyone here using kontact?
[17:53]  * patdk-wk wishs he could get 10.04 to be stable :)
[17:53] <BUGabundo_remote> patdk-wk: skip it and jump to 10.10
[17:53] <patdk-wk> hehe :)
[17:53] <patdk-wk> I'm sure I will soon
[17:54] <patdk-wk> really thinking about btrfs seriously
[18:05] <BUGabundo_remote> bbl
[18:13] <mrmcq2u> I noticed that 10.10 packedges are being uploaded to launchpad but "update-manager -d" doesn't seem to do anything anymore
[18:18] <arand> mrmcq2u: It's disabled currently
[18:18] <mrmcq2u> ah
[18:19] <mrmcq2u> that makes sense, when is it enabled do you know?
[18:19] <arand> mrmcq2u: Edit your sources.list if you want to break maverick
[18:19] <mrmcq2u> I love to break things :D
[18:19] <arand> mrmcq2u: Around alpha1 I'd assume, not sure if a specific time is set though
[18:20] <mrmcq2u> cool, thanks for the info
[18:25]  * mrmcq2u goes breaking things
[18:46] <ChaosR> heya guys, for my first noob question in a long time: how do I get my ubuntu to upgrade to maverick? "do-release-upgrade -d" does not work, neither does "update-manager -c -d"
[18:47] <ChaosR> and manually editing my sources.list ought to break some stuff, right?
[18:47] <charlie-tca> since maverick is pre-alpha, yes it will break some stuff
[18:48] <ChaosR> charlie-tca: doesn't it for all releases?
[18:48] <arand> ChaosR: the reason the auto-upgrades are disabled is due to the possiblity of breakage.
[18:49] <charlie-tca> no, for stable releases it does not always break things. since you want maverick this early, editing /etc/sources.list is the only way to upgrade to it at this time.
[18:49] <ChaosR> ah, thanks, didn't know that
[18:49] <arand> Hence, if you really do want to do it, you need to edit sources.list, and make sure you know what you are doing whilst doing so.
[18:51] <BluesKaj> ChaosR,  arand gave me a command for that ,sudo sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list , but make sure make abacup copy first.
[18:51] <BluesKaj> err a backup
[18:51] <ChaosR> I can expect my computer to remain in a somewhat usable state, right?  Its almost debian sid, so it should work I guess
[18:52] <arand> Yea, and I'm not sure if I should be handing out that command so generously, at this stage :/
[18:52] <ChaosR> I love the bleeding edge :P
[18:52] <BluesKaj> ok arand , i'll refrain from doing so :)
[18:52] <arand> ChaosR: Expect hell. Be plesantly surprised if not.
[18:53] <BluesKaj> actaully , i'm pleasnatly surprised so far
[18:53] <ChaosR> hmm, then I'm going to wait for the import freeze, per usual
[18:53] <ChaosR> or, not hehe :P
[18:54] <arand> Yea, I've had no issues really so far, but then I'm running it very conservatively in a virtualbox machine, and upgrading very carefully.
[18:55] <ChaosR> heh, I remember the days of debian sid, when the buggy amarok came trough, and corrupted all my mp3s, and the ripping process could be done all over again, haha
[18:55] <arand> But as yo'fel metioned earlier, if you did a aptitude full-upgrade just now, it wanted to remove the whole of KDE...
[18:55] <BluesKaj> well, i have my laptop running lucid atm and I use it for the 'serious' stuff , if you can call it that :)
[18:55] <ChaosR> arand: thats nothing new, hehe
[18:58] <BluesKaj> and kde 4.4.3 seems to be holding up well too
[18:58] <ChaosR> something seems to be blocking my dpkg lock, I wonder who
[18:59] <BluesKaj> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?
[18:59] <arand> common sense?
[19:00] <arand> :þ
[19:00] <BluesKaj> then, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:00] <ChaosR> BluesKaj: hey, thanks, I should remember that command
[19:00] <BluesKaj> I keep them in a text file
[19:00] <ChaosR> it seems kpackagekit does not follow my pipelining config in /etc/apt
[19:00] <ChaosR> ah well
[19:01] <ChaosR> lets update!
[19:01] <BluesKaj> but it has to be updated a lot lately some commands are old and invalid after 3 or 4 releases
[19:02] <ChaosR> BluesKaj: does it matter if you skip a week?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> not really ...I'm talking about cli commands
[19:02] <ChaosR> ahh
[19:02] <ChaosR> the text file :P
[19:02] <BluesKaj> yup
[19:03] <BluesKaj> i have a short memory so I need references
[19:03] <ChaosR> I was already like "eh? shouldnt apt be able to resolve that?"
[21:35] <BUGabundo> o/
[22:51] <arand> sparc: 742 jobs (three days) o_0


[09:31] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[09:31] <Kilos> hi Neo31
[09:35] <Neo31> hi Kilos
[09:35] <Neo31> :)
[09:35] <Neo31> ssup
[09:35] <Neo31> no response yet concerning the mailing list
[09:35] <Kilos> same old just different day
[09:36] <Neo31> lol Kilos
[09:36] <Neo31> old body young soul
[09:36] <Kilos> lol ya that too
[09:37] <Kilos> when they reply and if they agree you can give me the link and ill get it added to the new site
[09:38] <Kilos> we are then just going to find guys to provide support there
[09:38] <Kilos> ill bring some from za, but same as you everyone super busy nowadays
[09:39] <Kilos> but not many noobs are patient when waiting for help so ill man the fort as first contact
[09:41] <Kilos> for basic support and if serious help is needed ill ping all you brainy okes
[09:42] <Kilos> so there will be no more weeks offline hey
[09:47] <Kilos> i wonder how stickyboy  is doing in the states
[10:23] <Neo31> lol Kilos hh
[10:23] <Neo31> ok
[10:23] <Neo31> stickyboy, went to U.S. ؟
[10:23] <Neo31> ?
[10:32] <Kilos> ya for 2 weeks i think he said
[11:29] <Neo31> good
[16:16] <Kilos> hi ongolaBoy  you very quiet hey?
[16:18] <Kilos> elacheche  you cant still be at work
[16:26] <elacheche> Kilos, yes I am x) why! Hi by to way x)
[16:26] <Kilos> lol
[16:26] <Kilos> i just wondered
[16:27] <elacheche> :D
[16:28] <Kilos> :D
[16:28] <elacheche> just 30 min more and I can go home.. So tired need to sleep x)
[16:28] <elacheche> BTW, my brother it an ubuntu member now :)
[16:28] <Kilos> eish how are you going to make midnight meetings
[16:29] <elacheche> Kilos, meetings will not be on monday x)
[16:29] <Kilos> great tell him i say congrats and why isnt he here
[16:29] <Kilos> have you heard from elizabeth?
[16:30] <elacheche> About the membership board?
[16:30] <Kilos> yeah
[16:30] <elacheche> nop, have no idea if there is news.. u?
[16:31] <Kilos> nothing but id rather they got another member in
[16:31] <Kilos> was just checking, ive only been a member since 2 feb
[16:31] <Kilos> much too new
[16:31] <elacheche> :)
[16:32] <elacheche> I think that we should read the news here http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ if there is any
[16:32] <Kilos> does one have to join the fridge
[16:34] <elacheche> nope :)
[19:18] <Kilos> hi d4rk-5c0rp
[19:18] <Kilos> ah is that you bedis
[19:18] <d4rk-5c0rp> hi Kilos
[19:18] <d4rk-5c0rp> yup, it's me
[19:19] <Kilos> congratulations on getting your membership
[19:19] <d4rk-5c0rp> thanks dude
[19:20] <Kilos> how come there are only three peeps in tunisia
[19:21] <Kilos> where are all the other ubuntu users
[19:23] <d4rk-5c0rp> basically, the majority are end users here. and that's what we're fighting for as LoCo team
[19:23] <Kilos> get them to join here as well
[19:24] <d4rk-5c0rp> I will, ASAP
[19:24] <Kilos> best place for end users to learn is on working support channels
[19:24] <Kilos> when i was invites to ubuntu-za i didnt even know what sudo was
[19:25] <Kilos> invited
[19:31] <d4rk-5c0rp> sadly, most of people here, think that internet is just failbook.
[19:32] <Kilos> lol that a worldwide problem
[19:34] <d4rk-5c0rp> haha
[19:45] <Kilos> night guys
[19:46] <d4rk-5c0rp> night Kilos