[17:51] <ianorlin> is it bad if I put that I have used windows <=7 on my resume or would HR not get that
[17:52] <ianorlin> I don't think the LaTeX symbol for less than or equals will work well with resume scanning things
[17:53] <ianorlin> I still see places that list they use XP still and want that as a skill
[17:53] <ianorlin> unfortanetly


[01:25] <infinity> zequence: If you get a chance, can you smoketest your lowlatency kernel?  We're trying to release a tiny bit early this cycle to accomodate the entire kernel team traveling next week.
[09:40] <zequence> infinity: alright
[11:46] <zequence> infinity: All done
[12:58] <jsalisbury> ##
[12:58] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting today @ 17:00 UTC
[12:58] <jsalisbury> ##
[15:05] <hallyn> apw: so, this thing about having to disable 11n on intel wifi (assuming it fixes the connection drops - i haven't tried it, i just keep hitting f8 to turn off wifi and back on :) - is there a fix in the works so we dn't have to?  new firmware on the way from intel or something?
[15:13] <sforshee> hallyn: what model?
[15:15] <hallyn> checking
[15:15] <hallyn> Wireless 7260 (rev 83)
[15:15] <hallyn> ID=cafe Rev=1 Len=014
[15:17] <sforshee> hallyn: I don't really think I've heard of needing to disable 11n on that one, just for the 6xxx models
[15:17] <hallyn> oh
[15:17] <sforshee> the last kernel update had a fix for some connection drops
[15:17] <hallyn> ok.  mine might be a dif fproblem then
[15:17] <hallyn> which version?
[15:17] <sforshee> are you up to date?
[15:17]  * sforshee looks
[15:17] <hallyn> i'm on 3.16.0-20-generic #27-Ubuntu
[15:18] <hallyn> i do think i had fewer drops yesterday than usual, but not 0
[15:18]  * hallyn updates to check
[15:18] <sforshee> that should have it, they were all upstream as of 3.14 or so
[15:18] <sforshee> we just recently backported them to trusty
[15:19] <hallyn> i suppose this would annoy me much more if mosh didn't exist
[15:19] <sforshee> hallyn: if you open a bug and point me to it I'll have a look at your logs
[15:19] <hallyn> i may have already opened one.  i'll check in a bit, and otherwise open a new one next time it happens, thx
[15:21] <hallyn> sforshee: bug 1370262
[15:22]  * hallyn checks the log info to see if anything private
[15:22] <sforshee> ugh, firmware crashes
[15:23] <sforshee> hallyn: don't make that public, it has a firmware crash dump
[15:24] <hallyn> sforshee: color me ignorant - what's the problem with that?
[15:25] <hallyn> sforshee: so the firmware actually "crashes" ?
[15:25] <hallyn> tha'ts special
[15:29] <sforshee> hallyn: yes, the firmware crashes. I don't know exactly what's in the dump, but it could presumably have things like keys for whatever network you were connected to at the time.
[15:30] <hallyn> yuck
[15:37] <infinity> zequence: Thanks!
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[20:19] <arges> jsalisbury: bug 1377851 seems to be trusty only. mind if I target it as such
[20:19] <arges> jsalisbury: also i have a guess at a few patches that might be able to fix it
[20:20] <jsalisbury> arges, sure
[20:22] <jsalisbury> arges, It's fixed upstream, so I asked to test <IP_ADDRESS>.  Maybe the patches you believe can fix this are already in there
[20:23] <arges> jsalisbury: yea they tested 3.16.3, but 3.13.x fails
[20:23] <jsalisbury> arges, ahh, ok
[20:30] <arges> kamal: hey is c3caf1192f904de2f1381211f564537235d50de3 queued for 3.13 stable?
[20:34] <arges> kamal: i don't see it, i'll sent an email
[20:51] <trippeh> kaslr finally works okay on Xen with 3.16.4, fwiw
[21:18] <kamal> arges, hmmm...  you say that c3caf1192 applies cleanly (to 3.13-stable?), but no it doesn't  :-)  ...   which doesn't surprise me since its description says:
[21:18] <kamal>     Fixed a bug that was introduced by my GRE-GRO patch
[21:18] <kamal>     (bf5a755f5e9186406bbf50f4087100af5bd68e40 net-gre-gro: Add GRE
[21:18] <kamal>     support to the GRO stack) that breaks
[21:19] <arges> kamal: i applied it to ubuntu-3.13
[21:19] <kamal> and 3.13 doesn't contain bf5a755 either
[21:20] <arges> $ git tag --contains 277038d81b3a280ec793e2b05ba8369ff31c1d12
[21:20] <arges> Ubuntu-3.13.0-24.46
[21:20] <arges> looks like tim cherry-picked it, but I don't see a bug reference
[21:20] <kamal> arges, ok, so then that kernel (trusty) probably does contain the supporting commit to add the feature, but 3.13-stable does not
[21:21] <arges> kamal: gotcha, i guess i'll go through the SRU approach then
[21:21] <arges> since it isn't needed in 3.13 stable
[21:21] <kamal> arges, so did you specifically want c3caf1192 in 3.13-stable for some reason?  yes, it looks to me like this should just go to trusty as an SRU.
[21:22] <arges> kamal: no. it fixes a commit that isn't in 3.13-stable (For some reason I assumed it was. so next time i'll check)
[21:22] <kamal> arges, no worries man!
[21:22] <arges> kamal: : )


[02:11] <ScottL> knome, i wanted to thank you again for your support in the community council meeting
[09:39] <knome> bluesabre, is the new xfce4-settings in raring, or do we need some ppa/git magic for that too?
[10:41] <knome> bluesabre, do you realize how much libs people need to install in order to be able to build parole?
[10:52]  * astraljava checks to see whether he has bluesabre on ignore.
[10:53] <knome> WOOT
[10:53] <knome> "configuration finished"
[10:54] <knome> oh, making failed
[10:54] <knome> what a surprise
[10:55] <bluesabre> knome, we're using *buntu
[10:55] <bluesabre> sudo apt-get build-dep parole
[10:56] <bluesabre> sudo apt-get install gtk-doc-tools
[10:56] <knome> bluesabre, you serious that works? :P
[10:56] <bluesabre> :D
[10:56] <bluesabre> ideally
[10:56] <bluesabre> if not
[10:56]  * bluesabre hides
[10:57] <knome> well THANKS
[10:57] <knome> ;)
[10:57] <bluesabre> why did the make fail?
[10:58] <knome> i lacked some dependencies, though configuring didn't whine about that
[10:58] <bluesabre> I should probably fix that or something
[10:58] <knome> it was about libnotify
[10:59] <knome> ok, now it built
[10:59] <knome> what about the warnings about some missing .m4 file and missing config.sub/.guess?
[11:01] <knome> where do we have the bin or should one 'make install' ?
[11:03] <bluesabre> after make, the bin is in src/parole
[11:04] <bluesabre> or make install is good too
[11:04] <knome> i'd rather not do that
[11:04] <knome> if not necessary
[11:05] <bluesabre> if you don't do the make install, I think it looks in the wrong place for the background image/icons
[11:05] <bluesabre> but everything else should work
[11:05] <knome> right
[11:11] <knome> ha!!!
[11:11] <knome> sudo apt-get build-dep catfish didn't install all dependencies
[11:12] <bluesabre> :'(
[11:12] <knome> python-distutils-extra is lacking
[11:12] <knome> but it's very clearly indicated
[11:12] <bluesabre> yeah, the experimental branch uses quickly
[11:12] <bluesabre> sudo apt-get install quickly should get everything
[11:13] <bluesabre> I need to document more
[11:13] <bluesabre> :)
[11:13] <knome> well it definitely seems to get *everything*
[11:13] <knome> would it install the aforementioned package as well?
[11:14] <knome> "sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra quickly" looks a bit funny
[11:14] <knome> "sudo apt-get remove vlc slowly"
[11:14] <bluesabre> :)
[11:15] <bluesabre> yeah quickly should pull in the distutils stuff
[11:15] <knome> setup.py is cranky.
[11:15] <knome> looks like i need zeitgeist
[11:15] <knome> that's not installed either
[11:17] <knome> so... what should i do with the catfish sources?
[11:17] <knome> or does one need to build it?
[11:17] <bluesabre> go into the directory and do 'quickly run' or 'bin/catfish'
[11:18] <knome> oh, ok
[11:18] <knome> problems ahead
[11:18] <knome> couldn't connet to accessibility bus
[11:18] <knome> +c
[11:18] <knome> do i even need to install catfish build-deps then?
[11:19] <knome> or python-zeitgeist
[11:19] <bluesabre> probably not
[11:19] <bluesabre> python-zeitgeist is optional
[11:20] <knome> anyway, catfish isn't running for me
[11:22] <bluesabre> :(
[11:22] <knome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1544817/
[11:24] <bluesabre> thanks knome, you found a bug which lead me to a fix  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alacarte/+bug/1086369
[11:25] <knome> heh :)
[11:25] <knome> np
[11:25] <knome> so will you fix the repository?
[11:26] <bluesabre> yup, just a sec
[11:26] <knome> yup, np
[11:27] <bluesabre> pushed
[11:29] <knome> ok, it runs now
[11:29] <bluesabre> yay!
[11:30] <knome> is there something specific you want people to test?
[11:32] <bluesabre> make sure all files are found, it doesn't crash, filters work, right-click menu items work (though I just found a bug where its not getting permissions correctly for deleting)
[11:32] <bluesabre> I guess its also good to make sure the program is responsive
[11:32] <bluesabre> previously, it would lock up a lot for a long time, that should now be mostly fixed
[11:35] <knome> oki
[11:36] <knome> i think i'll leave the rest for later
[11:36] <knome> i'm thinking we should simply create testcases for these
[11:36] <knome> because the instructions are loooong
[11:38] <bluesabre> instructions?
[11:38] <bluesabre> sudo apt-get install quickly
[11:38] <knome> and bzr branch lp:...
[11:38] <bluesabre> bzr branch lp:catfish-search/experimental
[11:38] <knome> i didn't say they are like novel long
[11:38] <bluesabre> lol
[11:39] <knome> but they pile up when you have several of them
[11:39] <bluesabre> true
[11:39] <knome> and then somebody has the other code in git, the other in bzr, and the third app in a ppa
[11:39] <knome> O:)
[11:39] <bluesabre> fair enough
[11:59] <bluesabre> knome, pushed some fixes for catfish since you motivated me
[11:59] <bluesabre> :)
[11:59] <bluesabre> bbl
[11:59] <knome> hehe, good
[12:10] <mr_pouit> knome: you know that parole is in the xfce-4.12 ppa (precise and quantal)
[12:10] <knome> mr_pouit, i don't.
[12:10] <mr_pouit> (I mean, if you're not happy building it from source :P)
[12:10] <knome> now i do.
[12:10] <knome> it's not about me being happy or not
[12:10] <knome> it's for the testers
[12:10] <knome> what about the latest catfish then? any chances getting that in a ppa too?
[12:11] <knome> the more we can get into ppa's, the better..
[12:11] <mr_pouit> in the 4.12 ppa you have: the new exo/thunar/parole/mousepad/tumbler/xfce4-terminal releases
[12:11] <mr_pouit> and the latest dev release of xfce4-settings
[12:11] <knome> but those aren't going to be in R, are they?
[12:11] <mr_pouit> they are already in the r archive
[12:11] <knome> aha
[12:12] <mr_pouit> (except xfce4-settings)
[12:17] <knome> bbl.
[12:18] <bluesabre> I'll get the new catfish into a ppa this weekend, knome
[12:18] <bluesabre> if that makes it easier on everyone


[01:29] <skaet> Pendulum, maco, AlanBell - any updates on the accessibility blueprints?   they're looking a bit behind overall, and I think we're better off than they're indicating.
[01:29]  * skaet just went in and updated her item ;)
[01:30] <skaet> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-desktop-accessibility.html


[04:46] <ubptgbot> <Logan J> Has anyone not been able to do group mms, then found a workaround ?  I'm on tmobile in the US on a nexus 5.
 @Michele, Yes, international version.
 @Logan J, MMS never worked for me. even on Android
 there is no workaround IIRC. just don't use MMS, it's 2018
 @muyiscoi, OP3 is supported by halium BTW and you can run unstable 16.04 builds on it
 there's no installer for it rn, so you will need to compile it. but it will be one of officially supported devices soon
 stay tuned
 That's some good news there. Keep those devices coming :)
[07:31] <ubptgbot> kreak was added by: kreak
[07:43] <ubptgbot> <Иван Иванов> (Photo, 677x484) https://irc.ubports.com/CoUYUaeB.png
[08:00] <ubptgbot> CapraNorvegese was added by: CapraNorvegese
 Hi, I have a Nexus 5x. Ubports will support it in the future?
 @CapraNorvegese, @UniversalSuperBox is working on it
 Thank you😍 … If he needs a beta tester I'm here, I have experience in flashing custom ROMs and modding in general :)
 UBports is not a ROM
 and thus there is no flashing involved at all
[08:26] <bshah> well.... flashing is involved in theory..
[08:26] <bshah> :P
 in theory :P
 @vanyasem, Mmm, I was left with the old procedure for Ubuntu touch
[08:37] <ubptgbot> adesyudhatama was added by: adesyudhatama
 Hi @adesyudhatama here is an importat Welcome starter link for you: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @CapraNorvegese, You have UBports documentation to update your knowledge. It has been translated to Italian too https://docs.ubports.com/it/latest/
 (Sticker, 512x470) https://irc.ubports.com/PnIeTgiY.webp
 Can you flash from the terminal ubuntu billet with halium to test it?
 @CapraNorvegese, I am sure there will be some testing needed and your help with it will be appreciated
 Can you flash from the ubuntu touch terminal with halium to test it?
[08:56] <ubptgbot> waGNUx was added by: waGNUx
 @Ricardo, Not really very clear what you mean. 16.04 builds are installed through computer terminal. There is no 'in phone' install
 @waGNUx, Hi Wagner. Check this out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Flashing it from the computer terminal the same as 15.04 with ubuntu-device-flash ..........
 Do I need to root nexus before installing UT
 @Aravind, no
 read the installation docs and do as describing
 [Edit] read the installation docs and do as described
 @Aravind, If you need help, the Welcome & Install room is good for that
 @Keziiii, I just noticed this on backtrace, but couldn't find any follow up. … I don't see Mir calling vsnprintf() twice on the same va_list (which is the issue in the SO discussion). Am I missing something?
 @mariogrip ^ is that the same segault you pinged me about yesterday?
 Guys goodmorning.
 Hi
 Morning
 what kind of difference between develop, release candidate and stable channels? … I mean; i'm using Ubuntu Touch v. 60 from develop, and today i've changed from develop to Release Candidate:  … After that, my Aquaris e5 HD ubuntu Edition download the Ubuntu Touch V15; can i install this upgrade without problems?
 (msorry for my english)
 [Edit] what kind of difference between develop, release candidate and stable channels? … I mean; i'm using Ubuntu Touch v. 60 from develop, and today i've changed from develop to Release Candidate:  … After that, my Aquaris e5 HD ubuntu Edition starts downloads the Ubuntu Touch V15; can i install this upgrade without problems?
 updating is fine.  … i think for 15.04 when you are fulliy updated there is currently not much difference between the channels as most developmentis happening on 16.04 now
 [Edit] updating is fine.  … i think for 15.04 when you are fulliy updated there is currently not much difference between the channels as most development is happening on 16.04 now
 15.04/stable This is the channel you should be on if you're unsure of which to pick. It's the slowest-moving and most vetted release channel.
 15.04/rc This channel is a good mix between stability and bleeding edge. We will promote builds to rc from devel when they are possible candidates for stable. This channel should not break, but we can't promise as stable as stable.
 15.04/devel This channel will break. If you're working on QA, this is the place to be. If you're trying to use your Ubuntu Touch device in your life, this is not the place to be. Nightly builds from our CI server get pushed straight into 15.04/devel. When they are deemed as candidates for Stable (which only happens after we enter
[10:12] <ubptgbot> a feature freeze), they are moved to 15.04/rc … Again, we do not recommend 15.04/devel for everyday use.
 thank you so much guys 😆
 As Hugo said, all the dev effort is in 16.04 now
 ok , i'll see how it goes
 Hi
 Hello Aravind
 Hi lionelb h r u
 I am fine thanks. You wanted to install UT?
 May I ask what is your first language?
 Yup
 Tamil
 We don't have a language group for that but we do have an 'Indian languages' group. Useful because of local conditions such as phone availability and service providers etc
 Great
 Can u send me the link
[11:20] <ubptgbot> gexganteng was added by: gexganteng
 @Aravind, https://t.me/UBports_India
 @gexganteng, Hi Gex, here is an importat Welcome starter link for You: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 sup @gexganteng
 @popescu_sorin, I know u
 @Aravind, For installs, click on the welcome link and there you will find a link for installs
 U r from that YouTube channel
 @Aravind, Famous 🤡👽😸
 @Aravind, yeah i have that silly channel :D
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/4mALIvMi.webp
[11:24] <ubptgbot> Rachman was added by: Rachman
 Keep doing videos
 here you go a new one
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IcHPhBOydk
 @Rachman, https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome a link fir you too. Lots of joiners this morning
 unity8 on ubuntu 18.04
 @Rachman, [Edit] https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome a link for you too. Lots of joiners this morning
 doesn't do much right now but it's ok to install and submit issues :D
 how to install on 18.04 or 16.04 https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools
 @popescu_sorin, Doin great...*lol
 Which is best sailfish or UT
 Aravind, if you make a Telegram username it us easy to add you into useful rooms
 I don't know if Sailfish is still developed?
 November 2017, so it seems yes
 L
 Aravind, I tried to invite you to the install room but you left already, so that did not work
 Seems you were in the welcome room some time ago …
 @Strangerer, Both has their advantages. Couple weeks back my wife bought Sony Xperia X and I installed SailfishX on it. It is very good phone, it has some issues but she is quite happy with it.
 Is ubports community or company
 Community
 But becoming a Foundation
 Not-for-profit
 Canonical?
 I tried to find second hand UT phone to her but didn't find it so I mentioned about that phone and she bought it in couple of days.. 😄. Installing SailfishX is much more complex job than UBports..
 No connection with Canonical but friendly relations
 How did they give UT source code to ubports
 It was open source …
 They allowed the names though
 Why did canonical dropped UT even though convergence is innovative idea
 Maybe someone is writing the book about that. It would be a very long book. Too much to discuss here
 @Strangerer, They want to make an IPO for shares and so they had to get rid of unprofitable things. A lot of money has been invested, but no business case could be set up. At some day, every company needs to earn money
 @Strangerer, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/why-did-ubuntu-drop-unity-mark-shuttleworth-explains pretty much covers it
 @Strangerer, Micosoft also drop its windows mobile with continuum feature (similar with convergence) because not good for profit mining
 It is however a perfect match for Community
 @Stereofont, Agree
 The technical stuff is important but that should never be forgotten. This is a creature that stands on two legs
 @alan_griffiths, Not quite, mine was about getting "localtime()" in https://github.com/MirServer/mir/blob/55fed7fe11f6b3ccd2c72cb8d82b89b0f550fc51/src/common/logging/dumb_console_logger.cpp#L46
 @mariogrip, That one is wierd, since eveything else work, any of the mir demos or unity8, but not unity-system-compositor, i even tried taking the code from mir_demo_server_minimal and build it in that project, but that gives the same "segfault" error. This one is really wierd
 @vanyasem, Please don't tell this to people. It is rude and doesn't help the situation. Functioning MMS is needed for more things than just group messaging. If it's not working somewhere, it's a bug. If Russian providers don't do MMS, that is irrelevant to whether it should work in other countries that do support it.
[13:00] <ubptgbot> * PhoenixLandPirate is staying tuned
 @dohbee, Russian providers do MMS. I can say whatever I want as long as complies with the CoC
 and I will use my right to.
 It is a pretty terrible standard... but it should still be fixed if it's broken
 Totally
 I on the rare occassion do send texts long enough that they become MMS
 Sending contacts or images to people is also often done over MMS.
 Signal is a useful replacement for conventional messaging, over data or Wifi
 MMS attachments just doubled my phone bill
 I'd say, just make MMS work and give ppl choice not to use it, would that not make everyone feel good
 anyone fiddled with nextcloud recently?
 Fwd from peternerlich: This is driving me crazy, I cannot find an example of https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/12/developer_manual/client_apis/LoginFlow/index.html
 [Edit] anyone here fiddled with nextcloud recently?
 Did you try the cloud group?  Or is that not the right place for this?   … https://t.me/UBports_Cloudsters
 sigh
 @peternerlich, My guess is you'd find your answer here: https://github.com/nextcloud/android/tree/master/src/main/java/com/owncloud/android/authentication
 @wayneoutthere, ah, right, there was a group for this...
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks a lot! I will take a thorough look...
 @dohbee, wigh sigh gigh?
 I've seen lots of cool chats in there and solutions happen which would spam this group off topic ;)
 disrespectful nature of some
 @dohbee, I am sorry, I didn't mean to be disrespectful. I just got no response from other channels I tried to communicate over, so I eventually went here in hope there would be some individual to speak up. Totally forgot about the existance of a cloud group though.
 @peternerlich, I didn't mean you
 @Stereofont, Any idea why Signal isn't opening right now? I prefer to use it but as soon as I open the app on UT, it seems to crash.
 @AmolithSeregion, Note that it will wipe any pre-existing Android account. As to crashing, I don't have any idea
 I just tried Signal on my FP2. It crashed the OS
 Briefly to registration screen then bounces
 @Stereofont, ?
 It says that on the Signal app notes
 well if you log in with the same phone number you'll get a new private key
 same when you log in with same phone number on different android device, i guess?
 @Stereofont, That's the same thing that happens with me
 @samitormanen, Will Canonical donation change anything about the fact that those models (Meizu MX4 and BQ E5) will continue to be legacy models thanks to MediaTek?  I guess nothing changes, am i right?  thanks
 It doesn't change anything fundamental, no. It may provide opportunities to assist development and maybe in areas of the world where there are enthusiasts but difficult circumstances
 There are more still to come so I imagine that decisions will be made once they all arrive
 Is ther any reason to install Antivirus? It's in the OpenStore
 no
 @dohbee, I didn't think there would be. Why?
 For one, I don't recommend installing AV on any system. They can't really be trusted, and they're a great way to exfiltrate your data.
 If it's fully open source and properly confined, it can maybe be trusted, but then it's only useful for finding viruses in itself, which is a waste.
 @JavierPuche, I don't think the MTK is the exact reason why they are legacy devices, but simply that they are so old and low powered. The Nexus 4 is also a legacy device, and the BQ M10 tablet isn't.
 @dohbee, Thanks, I thought they are legacy because source code for some kernel parts is not available and so they cannot be migrated to 16.04. Meizu MX4 is not so low-powered, I think, anyhow I might be getting outdated with the fast-paced release of more powerful devices 😢  😉😄
 @JavierPuche, Legacy devices doesn't mean there is no 16.04 for them. There is 16.04 for most all those devices already.
[15:38] <ubptgbot> lluiscarrot was added by: lluiscarrot
 is there 16.04 for Meizu MX4?  I will check then, thanks,  last time I took a look (some months ago)  I seem to remember that no 16.04 was planned for any legacy devices.  Ups, here https://devices.ubports.com/#/arale  links for 16.04 and 15.04 are broken ...
 Hi @lluiscarrot here is an importat Welcome starter link for You: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @advocatux, *important
 [Edit] Hi @lluiscarrot here is an important Welcome starter link for You: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Or imported 😜  … Thank you for the correction, I need more coffee
 @JavierPuche, Yes http://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/16.04/devel/
 Great 👏👏  , thanks, I will give it a try 👍
 @dohbee, Is there a way to upgrade to 16.04 now?
 I don't know what the links are supposed to be exactly, but it looks like they should be milestone links or something on github.
 @AmolithSeregion, Yes, but it is very unstable
 i think you can select the channel in updates settings
 @dohbee, How unstable? I like to use more cutting-edge software but I also need it to be somewhat reliable lol
 not something i would recommend right now if you need a reliable daily use phone
 but if it's just a spare testing device, have at it
 Ok, in fact 16.04 is not really important for me now, it is just to know that device will keep to be maintained in the near future 👍  I see I thought wrongly that a problem with MediaTek  NDA was limiting this device future ...
 you can switch back to 15.04 too, though
 @dohbee, I'll just stick with 15.04 until 16.04gets a bit more stable. Thank you!
 @advocatux, did someone say.... coffee???
 @Mohannes
 @wayneoutthere, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgaxjcFH1EE
 @dohbee, that's a whole new level of coffee that I had not considered.
 you gotta get on yolandi's level
[16:31] <ubptgbot> Buzea Bogdan was added by: Buzea Bogdan
[16:32] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> Hi, I am traing to install Ubuntu Touch on my BQ 4.5 which was first with Ubuntu Touch and now with Android
[16:32] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> But I have problem. I will upload now a print screen from the terminal
 You will have to use the bq sp flash tool to first convert it back to ubuntu, to get the partitioning fixed
[16:35] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> Flashing legacy channel … Creating filesystem with parameters: …     Size: 734003200 …     Block size: 4096 …     Blocks per group: 32768 …     Inodes per group: 7472 …     Inode size: 256 …     Journal blocks: 2800 …     Label:  …     Blocks: 179200 …     Block groups: 6 …     Reserved block group size: 47 … Created filesystem
[16:35] <ubptgbot>  with 11/44832 inodes and 5813/179200 blocks … target reported max download size of 134217728 bytes … erasing 'cache'... … FAILED (remote: unknown command) … finished. total time: 0.002s … Creating filesystem with parameters: …     Size: 838860800 …     Block size: 4096 …     Blocks per group: 32768 …     Inodes per group: 7328 …     Inode size: 25
[16:35] <ubptgbot> 6 …     Journal blocks: 3200 …     Label:  …     Blocks: 204800 …     Block groups: 7 …     Reserved block group size: 55 … Created filesystem with 11/51296 inodes and 6651/204800 blocks … target reported max download size of 134217728 bytes … erasing 'userdata'... … FAILED (remote: unknown command) … finished. total time: 0.002s … rebooting into b
[16:35] <ubptgbot> ootloader... … OKAY [  0.002s] … finished. total time: 0.052s … 2018/02/22 18:35:03 Device is |krillin| … 2018/02/22 18:35:03 Flashing version 10 from ubports-touch/legacy channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device krillin … 288.81 KB / 321.93 MB [____________________________________________________________________________________
[16:35] <ubptgbot> _______________] 0.09 % 1.40 MB/s 3m48scan't flash recovery image … Move to your device to finish the setup. … Cleaning up.. … Exiting magic-device-tool. Bye Bye
[16:36] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> This message its an error OR it is working?
 Please use pastebin for long pastes like that
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> ok
[16:38] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> what I have to do now?
 i don't know anything about magic-device-tool, or if it's still supported
 you may wish to join the welcome channel https://t.me/WelcomePlus to get better assistance with installation
 @dohbee, But that itself is not all that reliable
 @Stereofont, sounds like bugs in the UI that need fixing then
 SPflashtool is useful but can cause irreparable damage. Take advice before using
 @dohbee, Yes, seems like it. Some people have had trouble. With daily driver definitely don't touch 16.04 yet
 @JavierPuche, There *is* a problem with closed android device and vendor trees, yes. Officially we cannot obtain this without signing an NDA with Mediatek, plus this will cost a lot of money. This is one reason why BQ has changed towards Qualcomm for example. So why 16.04 still works? Because we excluded systemd and still use
[18:19] <ubptgbot> upstart. Then it will work. But, we still cannot modify what we have, and this is a serious roadblock
 @Flohack, Then why would Nexus 4 be a "legacy" device, if the only reason is legal (which I still don't understand)?
 @dohbee, The definitions is currently blurry. Lets assume it means "Device that might have some issues in the future when new shiny things would come in"
[18:30] <ubptgbot> sebastian was added by: sebastian
 Hola quería saber si se puede instalar Ubuntu en un móvil zte L3
 @sebastian, En ingles o https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
[19:44] <ZeroPointEnergy> is there a log to debug app crashes? It seams most apps are just crashing currently
 @ZeroPointEnergy, app logs are in ~/.cache/upstart/
 i don't think there's a single log you can look at
 depends on where it's breaking, but it's probably in the app log itself, for each app
[19:46] <ubptgbot> Altprop was added by: Altprop
[19:46] <ZeroPointEnergy> ok, thx
[20:03] <lolek> hi
[20:03] <lolek> I'd like to know if Ubports finally support full device encryption?
 Buzea, sebastian, and @Altprop ! Welcome to the group!  Here is a link to get you started in the community.  Let us know if we can help. :) … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[20:06] <lolek> from what I see, there's this info: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/178
 @lolek, No, there is no FDE support in ubuntu touch yet
[20:07] <lolek> that's really not good
 @Flohack, Thanks for the clarification. I guess the best gift would be MediaTek giving away an NDA for those chips 😄😄
 @JavierPuche, Best gift would Mediatek publishing all source code :)
[20:08] <lolek> currently on the market left only two platforms iOS (very closed, limited without linux support at all) and Android (very open but also have a lot security problems)
 @dohbee are you able to help me figure out how to set sudo/uuid rules in Libertine this evening?
 @dohbee, 👍👏👏
 @TartanSpartan, just reinstall sudo maybe? the binary is setuid in my libertine chroot. i definitely did not explicitly set it to be
 so why yours is broken, i would have no idea
 Ok, I will uninstall and reinstall it and report back.
 @lolek, FDE when we can't even lock/unlock teh bootloader is not going to be great anyway
 Nope, still "sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set".
[20:12] <lolek> well tbh we need something to protect our data when the phone has been stolen
 Is this the case for other Libertine users, e.g. @padraic7a ?
[20:12] <lolek> it's obvious that if we get back the phone then we should reflash is as it has been compromised even if our data wasn't removed
 I will furthermore add that this is the case on cooler and turbo for me.
 @TartanSpartan, did you do something like symlink ~/.cache/libertine/ to an external SD card that is mounted with nosuid or something?
 @lolek, nobody disagrees with that. but it's not a trivial thing
 Not that I know of, I can mount my SD cards in Libertine with a command, but that's just for external storage, not to my knowledge having anything to do with the Libertine cache.
[20:16] <lolek> I can understand yet,  in 2018 year a phone without encryption when "the competition" has it would not attrack a lot of users and also will not get good media :(
[20:17] <lolek> tbh this is why I still don't have it and I can imagine there are many like me
 @TartanSpartan, `~/.libertine/cache/` is where the container is stored. the only reason i can see the setuid bit not being valid, would be if the container exists on a partition which is mounted with `nosuid` option for some reason
 How can we test this?
 @TartanSpartan, `mount | grep nosuid` ?
[20:19] <ZeroPointEnergy> I'm still very new to this android stuff, but since we have halium-boot now which is based on the backend stuff for mounting an encrypted system should be possible to implement, since it is basically debian initramfs. But I'm not sure if it is even possible to display a prompt and onscreen keyboard if the android container is not already started. I guess there is not just a standard framebuffer device available to access the graphics ha
[20:19] <ZeroPointEnergy> rdware ?
 @lolek, then don't use it until FDE support exists. or do the work to help get it working. making such statements isn't helpful
[20:20] <lolek> oh, sorry I didn't want to say anything that would make such reaction
[20:20] <lolek> please don't take me wrong with this :)
 @ZeroPointEnergy, Yep, the libraries for encryption are in there. It's possible, but no one has done it yet.
 @ZeroPointEnergy, right, an OSK without a booted OS is kind of difficult to have
 We'd also need the display stuff, probably with a port of MinUI or similar.
 really, we would need to implement something the way Android implements it
 Android has the benefit of the System / Data separation
 which is storing the key in hardware and doing funky stuff so it can boot up to the lock screen
 It can boot to a certain point without ever touching any user data since the `/system` partition is read-only and verified by verity in the bootloader
 and really, if we can't lock the bootloader and get rid of adb in the recovery it's not going to matter too terribly much, because at that point one can image the disk very easily and then throw it a cracking script doing hard math to guess the key
 Since we don't verify the rootfs image (and doing so would make people very upset), there's not much hope for being able to do that
 exactly
 Could do it in initrd... but maybe not with the A/B partition layout
 In Android 8
 one could perhaps do the requisite bits to get encrypted home dir working though, but then this would of course break several other things
[20:24] <ZeroPointEnergy> once I get my device running I plan to invest some time tinkering with the whole boot stuff since I think there is a lot of interesting stuff we can do there
 since you couldn't use libertine on top of encrypted home
 Nothing AFAICS relating to Libertine here but knock yourself out:
 https://pastebin.com/dNPtbs95
 @ZeroPointEnergy, halium/initramfs-tools-halium
[20:26] <ZeroPointEnergy> @UniversalSuperBox yes, I already checked that out and played with it when I debugged the early boot phase :-)
 cool
 @TartanSpartan, yeah, i don't know. how exactly did you reinstall sudo?
[20:29] <ZeroPointEnergy> https://github.com/postmarketOS/osk-sdl
 Well. On my M10 it wasn't installed. So I installed it fresh. I can try to reinstall it on either device, but unclear as to how that would fix it. I will try regardless.
[20:29] <ZeroPointEnergy> looks like they already solved this. Maybe we can steal it :-D
 @TartanSpartan, ok how did you install it on the m10 then?
 Via the phablet's CLI.
 @TartanSpartan, what command exactly? using `libertine-container-manager`?
 Yes. Bear in mind, no password was set up for the container.
 libertine-container-manager exec --command "apt-get install sudo" --id vivid
 I'm trying to uninstall it now, but it doesn't want me to as there's no root password for the container.
 huh
 `libertine-container-manager exec --command "apt-get autoremove --purge sudo" --id vivid` should work without any root password though i would think
 On it.
 Nope. Kinda perplexing, given we expect that the phablet's CLI holds executive control over all things Libertine. Bug?
 weird, since apt-get install worked
 What if I, belatedly, try to set a root password for the container?
 Or:
 "If you have arranged other means to access the root account, … and you are sure this is what you want,                                          … you may bypass this check by setting an environment variable                     … (export SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=yes)."
 @TartanSpartan, i don't think that you should do that
 what if you do `libertine-container-manager exec -c bash` to get a shell? are you not root? also, what is the output of `ls -l /usr/bin/sudo` in the container?
 Hold up. Root in the container? Or in the phablet CLI?
 Is there a way to equalise UT?
 @TartanSpartan, when you ask this, it only confuses me, because i have no idea what you're actually doing or where? libertine-container-manager obviously runs things inside the container
 @AmolithSeregion, you mean audio equalizer?
 @dohbee, Yes
 @AmolithSeregion, i don't think there is any way currently
 @dohbee, I just bought a new pair of earbuds and the high is so high. I'm listening to Destination Linux and their Ss hurt my ears lol. Alright. Do you know if there are any plans?
 I've performed all of these actions using the phablet CLI, calling the libertine-container-manager. But IDK if you mean am I root in the phablet CLI, or within the libertine-container-manager level.
 i don't know
 i mean if you execute bash inside the container, does it give you a root shell
 Back soon, to be continued.
 Hello Guys, I've just installed UT and I wanted to ask what could I use the terminal for. Thank you :)
 if you have no need for it, probably nothing
 otherwise it's a terminal app, so you can use it for most anything you would do in a terminal app
 @dohbee, I think I'll never use it, but I'm curious
[21:07] <ubptgbot> amonchez was added by: amonchez
 Plenty of uses, many of which don't have (yet) an "app" form. I've used it to connect to my MPD server (there used to be an app, now it's gone); to copy and delete stuff all around the phone without using the file manager; to export/import contacts and calendar...
 Like @dohbee says; it depends on how much you rely on a Terminal when/if you're on a Linux computer.
 If you do, then it's second nature to go there to solve your issues with the command line.
 If you don't... then you'll only use it when something is broken and someone says "run this to check that".
 (If you don't understand any of this, I can explain in the Español group; I just wanted to leave it here for anyone else the answer might be good for)
 (Voice, 13s) https://irc.ubports.com/0DvNyxVW.oga
[21:39] <ubptgbot> FedeBaez was added by: FedeBaez
 as @garrogarri suggested, we can make a ubports bot with the links to the ubports telegram group (and maybe more). … I can make a first draft for it and then lets see how it goes...
 Hi @FedeBaez Welcome! You can get up to speed with this link https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Michele, we usually don't use bots here
 unless I'm missing the purpose behind it.  we tried before but they are annoying and not very human.
 I think it could be useful to have a place with all the links, where one can look throught them and join the groups
 @dohbee, They can not because immediately it would become clear that they have stolen code from other vendors - thats one of the reasons for this strict regime. At least what rumors say 😆
 90% of mobile world is how to save your ass from patent lawsuits#
[22:00] <ubptgbot> madruga92 was added by: madruga92
 Because some crazy officials allowed patents on things that are hilarious like rounded edges
 hi Friends !
 @Flohack, that's not just mobile
 ( I'm Braziliam, my english is the worst, so if i say something wrong please correct me )
 Hi @madruga92 Welcome, check this https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 and there are language groups. V.g. https://t.me/UBPortsPT
 I have an ASUS Zenfone 2 Laser, have anyway to install Ubuntu touch in my phone ?
 @advocatux, nice ! thanks !
 i will join
 Where would be the best place to ask for built-in equaliser or an equaliser app? What would be AMAZING is an equaliser under the media controls.
 @AmolithSeregion, report an issue on GitHub https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/new
 @Michele, Will do!
 @madruga92, currently not, sadly...
 @Michele, sad news
 the community or developers are creating the OS for that phones or not ?
 afaik no one, but you can port yourself ubuntu touch for your phone. I suggest to join @halium for further informations
 @AmolithSeregion, So, the pulseaudio equalizer module is installed already, but there is no UI to control it, and it's not loaded by default
 @dohbee, What do you mean loaded?
 @AmolithSeregion, I mean the plug-in is installed and on disk, but pulseaudio isn't using it
 i'm not sure if it will play well with things on the phone either, but it should be usable to some extent
 @Michele, thanks !
 @dohbee, How would I get `pulseaudio` to use the plugin?
 Ok Rodney I'm back, what should I try now?
 @AmolithSeregion, A terminal script, I am guessing
 @AmolithSeregion, i'm not entirely sure
 @TartanSpartan, `libertine-container-manager exec -c bash`
 @dohbee, Do you have any idea if it distro-agnostic or if the process would be specific for Ubuntu Touch?
 @AmolithSeregion, there are surely some bits that would be specific to ubuntu touch, as we use a special module to send audio through the android hal to talk to the hardware, and it's not just an alsa device like on normal PCs
 @dohbee, I'll just open an issue; I don't have the first idea how to go about that lol. Thank you guys!
 @wayneoutthere, I was not thinking of a welcome bot, but more of a bot for someone who is already in the community but wants to join also another group, like the Unity8 dev or a locale group
 @AmolithSeregion, hmm... you sound like a prospect for.....
 It would be simply a "links repository"
 @garrogarri, It would be simply a "links repository"
 @AmolithSeregion, for the audio group!  ;) … https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lg6rpSWKVmXRSzKc4w
 "SIGH" - Rodney
 @wayneoutthere, Holy crap
 what is that weird hash
 that's how we name things now?
 Groups have a short name and a hash name. Generally we use the shortened, for obvious reasons
 Time to dredge up my idea of 'education evenings' methinks
 'Kernel backporting for beginners'
 @dohbee https://pastebin.com/RmM21EbB
 @Stereofont, whaaaat?
 Dear list, I am unable to send and receive mms. Is there any idea, how to fix it?
 @TartanSpartan, `ls -l /usr/bin/sudo` inside that shell
 On which device
 b e5
 Bq
 what carrier?
 @UniversalSuperBox, I'm having the same issue on the Nexus 5
 [Edit] bq e5
 not manufacturer. which telco
 @UniversalSuperBox, That was tongue in cheek. But 'What is a kernel?' 'How does a window manager work? ' Educationals
 @dohbee, Tracphone
 @AmolithSeregion, which network is your APN actually for? since they just contract bandwidth from others
 The community is a great informal learning resource. We could create pockets where that was a little more formal
 i've mostly only seen people complain about MMS on n5 on t-mo us
 It is on Orange
 Ok, so you mean settings should be fixed?
 @Popesz, you can send MMS ok, but receiving is broken?
 @dohbee, I have absolutely no idea. How would I find out? I didn't even know that they contracted their bandwidth
 i mean, is that what is happening for you?
 both
 no sending no receiving
 In that case, I'd double-check your APN settings
 @AmolithSeregion, not sure, i guess if you can view the APN settings and see what host it's using for inet gateway?
 @dohbee, TFDATA?
 is that a question? because i don't know what that is :)
 @dohbee, It was a question because I have no idea what that is either but it's under APN lol … It might be working now though. I didn't know there was a checkbox under Mobile, then APN to enable Internet and MMS but it was unchecked before and I just checked it.
 @UniversalSuperBox, With BQ in the past, I had MMS working in one SIM slot but not the other. Worth checking if switching over solves it
 On my Bq mms is ticked, settings are cirrect for internet too
 Could someone on UT right now send me a screenshot of the Sound part of the quick settings? I'm making a Github issue and editing a couple of things into one image for it but it keeps saying that the screenshot is corrupt.
 @dohbee, No it still doesn't work.
 Neither here
 ok, not sure what could be wrong in that case :-/
 Rodney,
 "rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 103588 Mar 12  2015 /usr/bin/sudo "
 @TartanSpartan, so the setuid bit is set
 So how can I do the other step?
 What step?
 Btw, I think that line may date back to the original user of the M10, not sure if that has bearing though.
 Huh?
 "/usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0"
 But it is
 The line I pasted just a few seconds ago, relating to how setuid is set as you said.
 ^that comment refers to your "huh?", for the avoidance of doubt.
 Yes, that date has nothing to do with previous owners
 Ok, but as I said, probably irrelevant anyway.
 So what's next?
 Well, I don't know what you're doing exactly
 Not much besides what you've suggested. I've never had to do this on any prior Linux installation.
 I mean what lead you to this point
 Shrug... just trying to run bash scripts in a terminal within Libertine?
 In xterm running under libertine?
 I do go back in my thought process to how, you said this isn't an issue in your VM, but it is on these hardware at least for me. Perhaps other users could confirm if it's affecting them.
 Not sure if xterm. Just the default gnome-style terminal you can install for Libertine.
 Well, I don't know what the issue is. The sudo binary has correct perms
 Well, how about a screenshot of the terminal with the failure?
 It's not really anything beyond what I've stated, but sure.
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/UZ0OJvB0.png
 Not sure that that is what you wanted to see, though.
 Stupid question: how do I insert an image inline in Github? Right now, it's just giving a link to imgur
 Making another request to @padraic7a to try this on his device, if possible please.
 Did you expect me to show some other part of what I'm trying to do here @dohbee
 I don't know what to expect
 Pretty much, I've described what I did and given prints for your suggested commands. So as it seems you're out of ideas, either we need another dev, or at least a Libertine user to try this out.
 You can't use USB internet to install the deps on your N5 (with the busted modem), can you?
[23:27] <ubptgbot> nicholascw was added by: nicholascw
 No idea how to get that working, no
 Fair, I guess it's more of an Android thing. Thanks for the help so far though.


[21:00] <wfamy> Hi
[21:01] <wfamy> I am figthing to start a dialog console script before gdm. actualy the script start and gdm too. I have to crtl alt f  to show my dialog box.
[21:01] <wfamy> any clue will welcome.
[21:11] <mbiebl> wfamy: what is your problem? what are you trying to do?
[21:12] <wfamy> I want my script to end before gdm start.
[21:13] <mbiebl> start on starting gdm
[21:13] <mbiebl> should block gdm from being started until your job is finished
[21:14] <wfamy> I try to add in in /etc/init.d/gdm3 at the second line . My script start but gdm too.
[21:14] <wfamy> how to block?
[21:17] <mbiebl> init.d? that is a sysv init script
[21:18] <wfamy> I am looking for any clue I test lot of thing and ...
[21:18] <wfamy> still looking for.
[21:18] <wfamy> I do not understand upstart priority
[21:19] <mbiebl> is your script an upstart job or a sysv init script?
[21:19] <wfamy> it is a python script.
[21:20] <mbiebl> i give up
[21:20] <wfamy> I am ready to create any thing
[21:22] <mbiebl> do you actually use upstart or why are you asking in #upstart?
[21:22] <mbiebl> which distro?
[21:23] <wfamy> I ask upstart because I was under lenny and 8.04 ubuntu and everything work well tell in rc.3 and gdm wait.
[21:23] <mbiebl> sorry, I don't understand you
[21:23] <mbiebl> you need to ask more precisely
[21:24] <wfamy> I am working to update to 10.04 and squeeze and everithing start and may script is waiting on tty1 while gdm is runing
[21:24] <mbiebl> for Ubuntu, you best create an upstart job
[21:25] <mbiebl> for squeeze you best stick to a simple sysv init script
[21:26] <JanC> you need an upstart job, which goes into /etc/init/ (not init.d)
[21:26] <JanC> see init(5) for the job file syntax
[21:26] <mbiebl> JanC: apparenly gdm is started via an sysv init script
[21:26] <mbiebl> wfamy: so, for ubuntu, create an upstart job and use the start on starting gdm
[21:26] <JanC> it's not
[21:27] <mbiebl> JanC: /etc/init.d/gdm3
[21:27] <mbiebl> for squeeze, create a sysv init script and add Requred-Start: gdm3 to the LSB header
[21:28] <JanC> there is no /etc/init.d/gdm3 in a default 10.04 install AFAIK
[21:28] <mbiebl> JanC: read the backlog
[21:28] <mbiebl> he apparently tries to update a lenny *and* 8.04 system
[21:28] <mbiebl> but I might have misunderstood him
[21:28] <mbiebl> which is quite possible
[21:29] <wfamy> there is no update my computer are install using FAI
 I am working to update to 10.04 and squeeze and everithing start and may script is waiting on tty1 while gdm is runing
[21:29] <JanC> well, in 10.04 gdm is started by upstart
[21:29] <wfamy> We are working to propose 10.04 and squeeze install
[21:29] <mbiebl> wfamy: as I told you
[21:30] <mbiebl> for Ubuntu 10.04 create an upstart job
[21:30] <mbiebl> for Squeeze, use a sysv init script
[21:31] <wfamy> I am look /etc/init/  script to understand.
[21:32] <JanC> you may need an extra job for your dialog, or maybe you could add it to the pre-start script for the gdm job
[21:32] <JanC> an extra job might be cleanest
[21:33] <JanC> wfamy: and as I said, "man 5 init" will explain you how job files work
[21:34] <wfamy> Ok I could now search. I will ask later if pb.  thx


[00:00] <OvenWerks> It may not work with a generic thrown in
[00:01] <OvenWerks> 28% :(
[00:02] <OvenWerks> I don't know how far to go with setting up this 19.10 partition to my liking. It will probably get over written
[00:05] <Eickmeyer> I never keep my test partitions around for long.
[00:06] <OvenWerks> Ya, but I kept typing in the wrong terminal because.... focus follows mouse= off
[00:06]  * OvenWerks wonders how anyone could work like that
[00:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: is there a known bug for the power manager showing up (battery icon in the panel) on a non-battery system?
[00:09] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I don't think that's a bug, I think it's just the default icon, but I don't know. bluesabre^
[00:09] <OvenWerks> I am not sure I like the network Icon.
[00:10] <OvenWerks> it looks too much like firefox pocket
[00:10] <OvenWerks> as in not very obvious what it is.
[00:11] <OvenWerks> I'll look when I get back to 18.04 not worried till then
[00:15] <OvenWerks> when I first opened patchage everything was dancing :)
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> The network icon looks like a network connector to me.
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> Wireless looks like a wireless cone.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> I don't see Firefox Pocket in that at all.
[00:17] <OvenWerks> I don't have that (or wireless)
[00:17] <OvenWerks> once I know what it is, it stops mattering anyway.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> Bear in mind, this is Xfce 4.14-pre1, so there are bugs.
[00:18] <Eickmeyer> Icon theming hasn't changed from 19.04, FYI.
[00:19] <OvenWerks> I don't have 1904
[00:22] <OvenWerks> Ah, patchage was set to "sprung layout" I couldn't move anything without it bouncing back to where it came from.
[00:22] <Eickmeyer> Must be the default?
[00:23] <OvenWerks> I guess.
[00:23] <Eickmeyer> I use Carla for all of that functionality anyhow.
[00:23] <OvenWerks> bad default IMO, if it decides to put things inthe wrong place, everything bounces all over
[00:24] <Eickmeyer> I agree. I'm not a fan of Patchage. A lot of people love it, though.
[00:24] <OvenWerks> qjackctl has a similar screen now.
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> Not the version we carry, which is sadly out of date.
[00:29] <OvenWerks> aeolus could use a nicer icon. I think it is using the alsa one now.
[00:29] <OvenWerks> zyn should be moved to a submenu
[00:30] <OvenWerks> (instruments)
[00:30] <Eickmeyer> I agree with that. aeolus appears to be using some sort of a default icon.
[00:30] <OvenWerks> zyn should have the new gui too but I guess not in debian yet?
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> It's not in Debian yet. Also a complete pain to get to work. Reminded me of the NON-tools with getting it to work.
[00:31] <OvenWerks> We should at least hide the OSS version.
[00:33] <OvenWerks> audio-x-generic for aeolus icon
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> Just made the change in -default-settings to hide the OSS version.
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> (not pushed)
[00:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I am witing for teward to sponsor raysession before dropping LADI.
[00:41] <OvenWerks> OK. I don't really care one way or tuther
[00:42] <OvenWerks> but it makes sense
[01:02]  * OvenWerks workflow seems not to be normal
[01:31] <OvenWerks> So far so good. two lowlatency kernels work fine
[01:32] <OvenWerks> DL generic now
[01:35] <Eickmeyer> coo
[01:39] <OvenWerks> two steps forward and one step back or something.
[01:40] <OvenWerks> The main grub menu now displays two entries with correct labels, one lowlatency and the second generic...
[01:41] <OvenWerks> the sub menu displays the old lowlatency at the bottom (two entries) good
[01:41] <Eickmeyer> Oof
[01:41] <OvenWerks> above that I have three double entries but all for the latest lowlatency and none for the generic
[01:42] <Eickmeyer> Okay, well, that's at least correctible.
[01:42] <OvenWerks> yes.
[01:42] <OvenWerks> at least the main menu works as expected
[01:45] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[01:50] <teward> Eickmeyer: unlikely to be tonight
[01:50] <teward> got home and was beat instantly
[01:50] <teward> phone's repaired tho :p
[01:50] <teward> but err:deadtired
[01:50] <Eickmeyer> teward: No worries. Thanks for the willingness.
[04:40] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: pushed change to default settings, I am guessing it will create a number of packages, but the grub one needs testing
[04:42] <OvenWerks> It needs testing with generic only... in xubuntu? lowlatency only, and of course both
[04:42] <OvenWerks> Look for duplicate entries for the same kernel :)
[04:45] <OvenWerks> I have to download some ISOs I guess. I will test on a Studio ISO and maybe a kubuntu ISO
[05:03] <OvenWerks> new build queued
[05:04] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I would not suggest the lowlatency-settings be backported. I built it around the 1910 version of grub
[05:07] <OvenWerks> It may be possible to backport via a git branch by using a diff, But I have noticed that some of the variable names have changed as well, so the diff will not just fit, it would need rewarping to work... it is of course possible the file would just work as is...
[05:08] <OvenWerks> Studio ISO at 67% and kubuntu at 35.6%
[05:08] <OvenWerks> off to bed I think
[14:06] <OvenWerks> Both my ISO DL failed :( I guess a new ISO got rolled or something
[16:04] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: The old version of the lowlatency settings probably hadn't been edited since 16.04 or prior, so I'm willing to bet whatever you did will work when backported.
[16:39] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings conflicts with -default-settings
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: -default-settings provides -lowlatency-settings, so it's not a conflicts so much as it is -lowlatency-settings isn't necessary if -default-settings is installed.
[16:40] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think it would be better for -default-settings to depend on -lowlatency-settings
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> Let me see what I can do.
[16:41] <OvenWerks> I understand that, but that means both packages have to have the same install.
[16:41] <OvenWerks> I guess changing -default-settings might cause trouble at this point?
[16:43] <Eickmeyer> Nah, it should be fine. Seems as if apt knows that the files come from the same place.
[16:43] <OvenWerks> when I tried to install lowlatency, dpkg said it conflicted but not that default-settings provides
[16:43] <Eickmeyer> If I move lowlatency-settings from a provides to a recommends, that should solve a few things.
[16:43] <Eickmeyer> er, to a depends.
[16:44] <OvenWerks> So anyway, I will just change the settings install. and we can leave it alone
[16:44] <Eickmeyer> Well, -performance-tweaks is set-up the same way (this was early when I was figuring out packaging).
[16:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if we want them truely separate, we can change the install for default settings to install /etc/sub directories rather than /etc like now
[16:45] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's what I'm working on. Then make them both deps.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> ok
[16:46] <OvenWerks> don't build yet though
[16:47] <OvenWerks> I would like to try things as is in kubuntu first
[16:49] <OvenWerks> Actually it might not matter, that shouldn't change lowlatency-settings
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[16:49] <OvenWerks> grub-emu
[16:49] <OvenWerks> focus doesn't follow my mouse :P
[16:53]  * OvenWerks reboots... again
[16:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: which package do we file a bug against for no prompt to remove install media?
[16:57] <OvenWerks> (the new grub looks good BTW, just need to make it install correctly)
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I honestly don't know, probably livecd-rootfs, but I'd want to make sure the bug exists in other flavors first.
[16:58] <OvenWerks> ok
[16:59] <OvenWerks> Interesting, double click on a disk icon doesn't seem to mount it. selecting it in thunar works fine.
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> Remember, you're looking at xfce 4.14-pre1, so it's not done yet.
[17:00] <OvenWerks> No worries, I normally have those set to not display, so I don't even know if that is normal :)
[17:06] <OvenWerks> hmm, maybe I single or right clicked, worked the next time
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Just pushed my changes to ubuntustudio-default-settings
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> Really, just messed with the way it's packaged and installed.
[17:12] <OvenWerks> ok
[17:15] <OvenWerks> reboot...
[17:23] <OvenWerks> installing kubuntu
[17:24] <OvenWerks> The installer seems more inteligent
[17:24] <OvenWerks> It didn't try to resize the partition to the same size like ours did
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> That's strange because it's just the qt version of ubiquity.
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> Unless they changed to Calamares.
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> We need an additional module before we can go to Calamares, which is why I haven't touched it.
[17:33] <Eickmeyer> Oof... experiencing major failure-to-boot issues with kernel 5.2
[17:40] <OvenWerks> Huh, lowlatency-settings depends on linux-lowlatency
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> Well, yeah. What's the point in installing it unless you have the lowlatency kernel installed?
[17:42] <OvenWerks> I guess that is ok, it just won't allow me to test no lowlatency operation, but if it depends on lowlatency, I guess it doesn't matter
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> Interesting. Kernel 5.2 (in eoan) breaks amdgpu.dc.
[17:43] <OvenWerks> not nice.
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Had to set my kernel parameters to disable it.
[17:48] <OvenWerks> konsole seems to be "fixed", when I resize one terminal it does apply to the next one I open. (good)
[17:48] <OvenWerks> Maybe the defaults are just better
[17:49] <OvenWerks> we will see when I close this window (which is 40 lines rather than 25)
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> Somebody filed a bug against all of Ubuntu Studio when it was clear the issue was initramfs-tools, and that they probably screwed-up their config somehow.
[18:03] <OvenWerks> filing a bug is confusing at the best of times
[18:04] <OvenWerks> There is no gui for ubuntu-bug... and even if there was, how does one know which package to blame
[18:05] <OvenWerks> Then if someone installs sw from our backport ppa, ubuntu-bug won't work anyway.
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> This is true, but we have bug reports enabled for the backport ppa.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> For the? or for our? That is I think there is an "official" backports PPA too?
[18:08] <OvenWerks> Also, it may have been auto I tried on.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> Anyway, my install strategy for grub seems to have worked.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> My only thing is that probably I should be forcing a update-grub as well
[18:10] <OvenWerks> back to 1804...
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Today was 18.10's EOL, I just removed all 18.10 packages from the backports PPA.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> Autobuild will be next.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> And done. Cosmic is now dead.
[18:24] <OvenWerks> left at light speed...
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> dpf-plugins is now in Eoan, adding to our seed.
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Did you say that you're comfortable with releasing the changes you made for grub?
[19:11] <OvenWerks> I need to look at what changes you have made first
[19:11] <OvenWerks> lowlatency-settings is fine though, it is just defaultsettings
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> All I did was change -default-settings to only install everything -lowlatency-settings and -performance-tweaks doesn't install, but to depend on them both.
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> Meaning that -default-settings does nothing different in terms of what it installs because it needs what the others have.
[19:14] <OvenWerks> the default-settings.postinstall now needs to be moved to lowlatency-settings
[19:14] <OvenWerks> I'll do that next
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I just did it. Simple copy/paste.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> Unless you have a better way.
[19:15]  * Eickmeyer leaves it alone
[19:17] <OvenWerks> Copy and paste yes... The part that is already in lowlatency.postinstall should come first, followed by the part from default...
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> Thought so, but I'll let you make the changes and I'll just pull.
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> Let me know when you've pushed so I can pull. I'd like to get this stuff in eoan.
[19:18] <OvenWerks> Yes, will do
[19:19] <OvenWerks> I don't think we need a default-settings.postinstall now.
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> Well, considering it would be nothing but comments, that's correct.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> there it be
[19:24] <OvenWerks> building
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> Pulled
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> I'll wait for the autobuild to finish and update from that to test it myself before getting it all into eoan.
[19:28] <OvenWerks> thank you
[20:12] <OvenWerks> cfdisk
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> cfdisk?
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Confirmed, the fixes you made to the grub menu work. I'll go ahead and push this to eoan, if you feel it's ready.
[20:15] <OvenWerks> yup
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> Done
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> What we have in Eoan, I'd say, is very close to what we'll ship.
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> I just want raysession in and ladish out.
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> I saw objections to raysession in #lad, but idc that much.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: don't worry about that.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> I just thought if nsm could be built with fltk, that may get it into debian
[20:37] <OvenWerks> ntk is built off of fltk
[20:39] <OvenWerks> falktx assertion that nsm only needs to work with jack makes sense but may not be correct.
[20:41] <OvenWerks> more audio programs use alsa dirrectly. If one adds some sort of control aplications along side, nsm could still be useful... maybe.
[20:42] <OvenWerks> however, he is right that many desktops now have their own session management
[20:42] <OvenWerks> So we may see a session manager built into jack/carla
[20:55] <Eickmeyer> That would be nice.
[20:55] <Eickmeyer> But the raysession+carla option meets all of the sweet spots anyhow.
[21:02] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Do you feel like -controls is where it's going to be for release, or do you have more tweaking to do?
[21:05] <OvenWerks> I think for this release it is good.
[21:06] <OvenWerks> Anything I might like to work on would be major.
[21:06] <OvenWerks> Some things I would like to see:
[21:06] <OvenWerks> better help
[21:07] <OvenWerks> -zita calls checking the device and selecting closest available SR
[21:09] <OvenWerks> setting piority.
[21:11] <OvenWerks> Tabblet stuff... wait and see if the DEs do more with that
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> Ok, any of that you think could make it into 19.10?
[21:14] <OvenWerks> Not at this point. I am happy with what it is. bugs I would like to know about :)
[21:14] <OvenWerks> feature requests that are small
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> Ok. I'll get this uploaded then.
[21:15] <OvenWerks> I thought -controls was already uploaded?
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> Not your latest changes as I look at it.
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> Such as input only, backends only getting parameters they can handle, setting i/o channel count, subprocesses from strings to array...
[21:18] <OvenWerks> OK
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: How about installer?
[21:23] <OvenWerks> I shall look to see if back to main page is possible/practical
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> One idea I had was including ppa-purge which will completely remove the backports PPA and downgrade the packages instead of simply removing the PPA.
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: What do you think about that idea (I could implement it myself)?
[21:26] <OvenWerks> That would be fine, it is the way it is because those were the commands I knew about.
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[21:29] <OvenWerks> I think return to list page is doable.
[21:29] <OvenWerks> There is a call that populates it.
[21:31] <Eickmeyer> Cool. Unrelated: I'm pushing the ppa-purge change.
[21:34] <OvenWerks> I'll pull when you are done
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I noticed that the script doesn't apt-get full-upgrade, when you add the PPA. Should we add that as well?
[21:39] <OvenWerks> whats full-upgrade
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> full-upgrade upgrades packages and removes any conflicts as well.
[21:40] <OvenWerks> none of the PPA instructions suggest that
[21:40] <OvenWerks> or does that install stuff?
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> So, for instance, calf 0.90.2 conflicts with calf-ladspa. However, 0.60 (in bionic) does not. So, when upgrading with a simple "apt upgrade", it would hold-back from upgrading. With "apt full-upgrade" it would remove calf-ladspa while upgrading calf to 0.90.2.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> Ya, but we don't do an upgrade even, do we?
[21:42] <OvenWerks> should be an update if anything
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> No, we don't, but we should. Update just updates the repo lists, it doesn't actually switch to the packages in the PPA.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> The idea of a PPA is not to install everything so much as install what you want
[21:43] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, what will happen is the update manager will catch it as updated packages and instruct the user to upgrade anyway. This would save them the step.
[21:44] <OvenWerks> For example, I have an Adour project part way through, I add PPAs to get the new controls and I can no longer load my Ardour session
[21:44] <Eickmeyer> It would only upgrade packages that are already installed, nothing that's not installed.
[21:44] <OvenWerks> Yes, Ardour 5.12 to 6.0 could kill someone's project
[21:45] <OvenWerks> or leave them asking how to downgrade
[21:45] <OvenWerks> best use of a PPA is to enable, get wanted sw, disable.
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> Nobody does that. If people add PPAs, they usually do it wholesale.
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so we'll leave it as-is and have the update manager do it anyway? Because that's exactly what will happen.
[21:47] <OvenWerks> Not sure where to go with that one.
[21:47] <OvenWerks> Ya, if they leave it on it will get updated
[21:48] <Eickmeyer> I guarantee people will leave it on.
[21:48] <OvenWerks> If we were to add update we would have to warn the user we were doing that with a list of what we were updating and leave a way to say no
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> Then let's leave it as-is, because update-manager will handle that anyhow.
[21:49] <OvenWerks> Add PPA does not suggest to me I am installing sw
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> Now, this change I'm making with ppa-purge _will_ downgrade software.
[21:50] <OvenWerks> Really? why?
[21:50] <OvenWerks> If I dpkg install something the next update doesn't remove it
[21:53] <Eickmeyer> Most people don't add PPAs for just one thing and then remove it. Maybe that's why PPAs were initially created, but that's not how they're practically used.
[21:54] <Eickmeyer> The motivation for why I'm doing this is to allow people to upgrade from disco to eoan cleanly. Upgrading with the ppa's packages in-place could (not saying will) cause problems.
[21:54] <Eickmeyer> ppa-purge's operation removes the PPAs and downgrades the packages to whatever is in the repo.
[21:54] <OvenWerks> I think installer is not the place for that
[21:55] <OvenWerks> what if the package only exists in the PPA, it vanishes?
[21:56] <Eickmeyer> Yes, it would remove anything that isn't in the PPA. However, it would get added if it's part of the seed on the upgrade. Case in point: lsp-plugins
[21:56] <OvenWerks> In software & updates->Other Software: I can remove a PPA (not just disable) and I don't loose or downgrade sw
[21:56] <Eickmeyer> That's correct. However, the Kubuntu folk have had issues with that in the past and that's why they have people ppa-purge their backports before upgrading the distro.
[21:57] <OvenWerks> I think installer is not the place for that
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> Ok, then I'll leave it alone.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> If done there, the user would need a popup telling them.
[21:59] <OvenWerks>  or it should be a separate button "upgrade to *"
[21:59] <Eickmeyer> OR, we could add another button ("Purge PPA").
[21:59] <OvenWerks> at least
[22:00] <OvenWerks> probably, "Remove Backports PPA" should be renamed to "disable Backports PPA"
[22:00] <OvenWerks> and add to enable
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> True.
[22:02] <OvenWerks> Note about adding another button: The size of the app is set by the number of buttons x the width of the package list
[22:02] <OvenWerks> I think...
[22:02] <Eickmeyer> Shouldn't be an issue.
[22:04] <OvenWerks> If we changed the order with the exit at the right side, the list could span two col.
[22:06] <OvenWerks> So are you goin to add anything to installer right now? or should I start playing with it?
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> Nah, go ahead. I'm prepping to add lsp-plugins and dpf-plugins to the list, but that's it.
[22:09] <Eickmeyer> Shouldn't conflict with anything you're doing.
[22:10] <OvenWerks> So, I am going to restyle so the list box remains, and the install stuff is always there if hidden. I will try to see if I can disable the PPA add if the PPA is already enabled.
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> Ok


[23:55] <xu-irc61w> Hello
[23:56] <xu-irc61w> can someone help me with an issue in a new installation please?


[17:07] <bjsnider> soreau, you're a really big fan of compiz effects aren't you?
[17:48] <soreau> bjsnider: Yes
[17:49] <bjsnider> i used them but found most of them to be pointless eyecandy
[17:50] <bjsnider> i don't understand something on the technical side of your argument with krh
[17:50] <bjsnider> he doesn't want effects in weston
[17:50] <bjsnider> now, if i understand this right, from bottom to top, it goes:
[17:50] <bjsnider> wayland>weston>mutter>gnome-shell
[17:51] <bjsnider> so where would he like to have the effects?
[17:53] <soreau> bjsnider: Well, I believe that the mind is far more powerful than given credit for. I also think that eyecandy is certain not useless but actually can offer a way fro the brain to relax for a second, if you're working on something thought-process-intensive
[17:54] <soreau> I think that eyecandy can give your mind the small break that's needed to quick;y recharge and get back to what you were doing (hopefully, work)
[17:54] <soreau> Thus, I actually think eye candy has more than just the immediate 'useless' aesthetic value. I don't think eye candy is pointless
[19:22] <mlankhorst> I do the same, for something I spend so much time each day at, I want it to be pleasant to look at ;)


[03:51] <James_Epp> Hey guys. i'm trying to add lubuntu to my pxe server. What should I do for the kernel and append lines?
[03:52] <James_Epp> It is worth noting that I will be using NFS
[06:58] <michael_p> hi
[06:58] <michael_p> slight problem when i view or play any movie i am allways getting sound through one speaker
[07:01] <michael_p>  /join #ubuntu
[07:51] <thor1> Hey is there not a irc log from lubuntu uds. please give a link
[09:05] <mapp>  uds?
[13:53] <Okabi> Hey lubuttbutt
[15:02] <Tritonio> does anyone here know how to change IO schedulers for LVM volumes?
[15:02] <Tritonio> I see that dm-x devices have "none" while my sda has "deadline".
[15:03] <Tritonio> Now I am wondering, if LVM manager is the process that accesses sda to provide the dm-x volumes, how does deadline know which process asks for what? Or deadline doesn't need such info? Does it prioritize per IO access operation?
[15:04] <Tritonio> Or perhaps LVM is not a process at all, which is more likely, so when some userland program asks for IO the kernel simply translates that to proper IO on sda. So in fact deadline is aware of which process issued each IO operation.
[15:05] <Tritonio> In any case, wouldn't it make more sense to have "none" for sda and "deadline" or whatever for each dm-x?
[15:06] <xnox> Tritonio: dm devices are eventually backed by physical devices which can have the IO scheduler set.
[15:07] <xnox> i'm not sure if lvm has similar / different ways to tweak it. Check the lvm.conf file?
[15:17] <Tritonio> xnox: I'll check that now, thanks.
[15:19] <xnox> Tritonio: see a debian wiki on tweaking for SSD optimal performance, if this is what you are after
[15:30] <Tritonio> no I have a regular laptop HDD. I just want to mess around with io schedulers.
[15:30] <Tritonio> I did a huge copy operation from an external NTFS drive.
[15:30] <Tritonio> And at some points it was lagging the whole system.
[19:30] <n-iCe> hi
[22:11] <n-iCe> hi, what's the name of the tool that when you move a window up it maximizes or when you move to the sides it takes the half of the screen and fit


[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:10] <ESphynx> good morning dholbach
[07:10] <ESphynx> dholbach: I realized my packages had bad stall work area files :S
[07:10] <ESphynx> even in the previous Utopic version...
[07:11] <dholbach> hi ESphynx
[07:11] <dholbach> oh ok
[07:11] <ESphynx> I reuploaded for 0.44.11  http://mentors.debian.net/package/ecere-sdk
[07:11] <ESphynx> it should just be deleting these stall files
[07:12] <ESphynx> we need to fix our 'make distclean' :P
[07:13] <dholbach> I uploaded the last you had and uploaded to vivid
[07:13] <dholbach> why don't you just sync it once it's in debian?
[07:14] <ESphynx> dholbach: I'm not sure it will go in Debian because of the Jessie freeze :S
[07:15] <dholbach> and uploading it to experimental?
[07:16] <dholbach> I mean... if you want to get a patch into Ubuntu, you can still ask for a patch to be uploaded
[07:17] <ESphynx> dholbach: well I did do a request for sponsor on mentors but I don't know...
[07:17] <dholbach> ok
[07:19] <ESphynx> I registered the unbuntu-sponsors too with a link to that package :P
[07:19] <ESphynx> will I get better chances if I attach a debdiff
[07:19] <dholbach> no, should be the same
[17:41] <Brady4MVP> Hey there all hope that you are having a good day.,  I( have a repo that has reprepro installed to it and am wondering if anyone here is good with that ?  I would like to re-install all the debs that I have in my incoming dir but can not find anything in the man pages or help for reprepro
[18:55] <Brady4MVP> how do I let dput use  UNRELEASED
[18:56] <Brady4MVP> I added allowed_distributions   = (UNRELEASED|.*-security)  to my dput.cf
[18:58] <Brady4MVP> NVM
[18:59] <Brady4MVP> was a port issue
[19:35] <Fantu> hi, cinnamon package in ubuntu need 2 small change from the debian one, for now I nobody do them in ubuntu official repository, if I'll do 2.2.16-5ubuntu1 with them signed with my launchpad key is possible send it for review and upload?
[19:37] <Fantu> sry for my bad english
[21:13] <Brady4MVP> How do I set up auto email in sbuilder ?  I have installed sendmail and configured it and also the email address in the conf's.  Maybe I am missing something ?


[16:07] <xnox> can we at least have a bug bot in #ubuntu-meeting same as #ubuntu-devel?
[16:08] <xnox> (until the real one is back)
[16:09] <xnox> pleeeeease =)
[16:14] <IdleOne> Unit193: ^
[19:53]  * Ubuser Peja
[19:53]  * Ubuser Aleksandar
[19:54]  * Ubuser mir Peja
[19:55] <k1l> Ubuser: everything ok? :)
[19:56] <Ubuser> yes
[19:56] <Ubuser> sorry
[19:56] <Ubuser> :)
[19:59] <k1l> amsg and ame are very risky in freenode :)
[20:00] <TheLordOfTime> and usually throw up red flags quikly.
[20:00] <TheLordOfTime> quickly *
[20:08] <Unit193> IdleOne: Sorry for the late response.


 Yes twas good. You?
[08:28] <seb128> duflu, hey, was great, spent the w.e in brugges, it was nice and sunny with good beer and waffles!
[08:30] <duflu> Heh. We can't all go to lovely medieval cities for the weekend, but I was there in November. Yes it is nice :)
[08:31] <seb128> indeed!
[08:59] <sil2100> seb128: hey! Since things seem to be set up, should I add cosmic to l-o-m and spin the first base langpack batch?
[08:59] <seb128> sil2100, sure, I had that on my todo but it's even better if you do it!
[08:59] <seb128> thx
[09:00] <sil2100> seb128: o/
[09:16] <Laney> moin seb128 & duflu
[09:17] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? how was debconf? had a good flight back?
[09:21] <Laney> tired today
[09:21] <Laney> yes it was great, the layout of the venue was quite nice
[09:21] <Laney> there was a big hacklab where most people went most of the time, and the two main talk rooms next to that
[09:22] <Laney> weather was difficult though, super sweaty
[09:22] <Laney> and the flight was fine except really early (6am flight time, 3am hotel departure) and long
[09:22] <Laney> tired today
[09:25] <seb128> :(
[09:25] <seb128> take some rest
[09:26] <Laney> will probably do later
[09:26] <Laney> wanted to see about 3.29 stuff
[09:26] <Laney> like this budgie thing maybe
[09:26] <seb128> ah, that one sucs
[09:26] <seb128> sucks
[09:26] <seb128> :/
[09:27] <Laney> yeh
[09:28] <seb128> btw the yaru theme MIR got +1ed and the package promoted, in case someone planned to bundle that with maybe the shell update
[09:28] <seb128> but Didier and Marco are off this week
[09:28] <seb128> (Didier let details of the changes / to which component in a bug though)
[09:29] <seb128> (I'm just mentioning it for the record, not expecting anyone to act on that today/this week)
[10:22]  * duflu fades into the night
[10:45] <oSoMoN> welcome back on the right side of the world Laney
[10:46] <oSoMoN> I couldn't get someone to review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/britney/hints-ubuntu-libreoffice/+merge/352293 yet, so when you have a moment please have a look at it
[11:09] <Laney> oSoMoN: ok, thanks, done!
[11:11] <oSoMoN> cheers
[11:45] <Laney> ricotz: in a vala metadata file, (how) can I move an out parameter to the return value?
[12:43] <Laney> never mind, it fixed itself once I fixed the out type to be a struct
[13:42] <ricotz> Laney, yes, this only works for non-null structs
[14:06] <tseliot> seb128: hi, would you like me to send a merge proposal for gdm3 to get it into bionic for LP: #1778011 ?
[14:06] <tseliot> I have just uploaded the other components
[15:07] <seb128> tseliot, hey, no it's fine, and I'm not the one handling that SRU, slashd is since he's sponsoring a fix from dgadomsk_i, I asked them to include your changes as well
[15:08] <lan3y> ricotz: okay, another one - if there's a signal with the same name as a function, how do I get the function in the vapi?
[15:08] <lan3y> WHYYYY
[15:08] <lan3y> "conflicts with method of the same name"
[15:10] <tseliot> seb128: ok, thanks, I had no idea.
[15:11] <seb128> np, I was going to do the uploads but when I uploaded to cosmic I noticed that they had already did an upload without updating the vcs, which turned into a discussion and the outcome is that they handle it now
[15:12] <tseliot> oh, ok
[15:45] <ricotz> Laney, you would have to rename the method
[15:46] <ricotz> Laney, otherwise it is an ambiguous symbol
[15:47] <Laney> ricotz: yeah I couldn't figure out how to target it in the metadata
[15:47] <Laney> but I found #signal now
[15:48] <Laney> just skipped the signal since it is not needed
[15:48] <ricotz> Laney, what is this for?
[15:48] <Laney> budgie porting to new mutter
[15:49] <ricotz> ah I see, yeah those api breaks are a pain
[15:49] <Laney> they have a vapi for mutter-2 but there is no source for how it came into existence
[15:49] <ricotz> you can use vapigen on the Meta-3.gir
[15:50] <Laney> I am doing
[15:50] <Laney> but it needs some metadata to fix the stuff up
[15:50] <ricotz> yes, I have a lot of metadata for mutter here too
[15:51] <Laney> nod
[15:51] <Laney> yours will be better than mine :P
[15:52] <ricotz> Laney, based on 3.29.4 https://paste.debian.net/plain/1036922
[15:52] <Laney> I'm mainly trying to match what they used before
[15:52] <Laney> so I don't have to make so many changes
[15:53] <ricotz> ah I guess the "focus" signal was it
[15:53] <Laney> ye
[15:53] <ricotz> you might get away easy with keeping variable names and just changing e.g. Meta.Screen to Meta.Display
[15:54] <ricotz> WorkspaceManager is another story
[15:54] <Laney> got it building now
[15:56] <Laney> I mean it's crashing, but this is a start ...
[16:24] <Laney> ok it works at least in a VM
[16:24] <Laney> mostly, probably enough for someone upstream to take it over from here
[16:27] <ricotz> Laney, nice
[16:28]  * Laney just wants to unblock shell 3.29 from proposed
[16:28] <jbicha> ricotz: could you look into doing a 1.57 gobject-introspection release?
[17:40] <willcooke> night all
[17:43] <willcooke> now I'm really goinh
[19:55] <ricotz> jbicha, https://download.gnome.org/sources/gobject-introspection/1.57/
[19:56] <jbicha> thanks :)


[18:45] <sarnold> pfsmorigo plz  :)
[19:11] <teward> sarnold: free coffee pls.
[19:13] <sarnold> teward: oh man wouldn't that be awesome?