[00:23] <mgolden_> schnoodles: I installed the symbola font and I also don't see it there.  Not sure how it gets them.
[00:23] <mgolden_> It may be looking for fixed width
[00:24] <mgolden_> I also don't see the Korean font I installed.
[00:24] <mgolden_> Interestingly I think it will pull them in when needed, they just aren't there.
[00:24] <schnoodles> mgolden_: Droid Sans Mono "Nerd Font" will not even show up though.
[00:26] <mgolden_> schnoodles: what I mean is that if a korean character is in the output, it will use the font for that. Presumably the Nerd Font doesn't install code points that aren't otherwise covered
[00:26] <mgolden_> schnoodles: sorry, I have to run!
 any ideas on the above problem? moving ahead to zesty did not solve the issue
 qdbus *is* installed
[00:48] <mparillo> valorie: I have seen that LP # 1304805 error on a VM guest when the host is heavily loaded. I simply hard poweroff, and restart and it does not seem to come back. I have never seen that on real HW.
[02:30] <valorie> mparillo: fixed by adding again then ppa-purging kci/unstable
[02:30] <valorie> now testing the landing PPAs
[02:30] <valorie> livin' on a prayer.....
[02:34] <greyteamexperime> hello
[02:35] <GreyTeam6> Does anybody know of a penetration testing channel on this network?
[02:40] <valorie> 1
[02:40] <valorie> oops
[02:40] <valorie> !alis | GreyTeam6
[02:51] <GreyTeam6> hello valorie
[02:51] <valorie> any luck finding the channel you want?
[02:51] <GreyTeam6> nope
[02:51] <GreyTeam6> you know a good hacking channel
[02:52] <GreyTeam6> something similiar to kali linux
[02:52] <valorie> I would try /msg alis list *penetration*
[02:52] <valorie> probably half the chans on freenode are "hacking"
[02:52] <valorie> you have to be a bit more specific
[02:52] <GreyTeam6> such as?
[02:53] <GreyTeam6> whups
[02:54] <valorie> in any case, such a discussion is out of scope for #kubuntu
[02:55] <GreyTeam6> youre admin?
[02:55] <valorie> I can be if needed
[02:55] <GreyTeam6> look thx for the help k?
[02:55] <valorie> we're a friendly bunch, so not usually needed
[02:55] <GreyTeam6> just dont be a asshole like the other admns usually are k ?
[02:55] <valorie> excuse me?
[02:56] <GreyTeam6> sometimes other admins kik me off their channels
[02:56] <GreyTeam6> just because i was asking for help
[02:56] <valorie> with language like that, no wonder
[02:56] <GreyTeam6> but all things aside thank you. :)
[02:56] <valorie> you are welcome
[02:57] <valorie> best of luck
[05:39] <user|67234> hola
[05:40] <user|67234> donde puedo descargar el controlador para un monitor touch para mi pc con kubuntu?
[05:44] <valorie> !es | user|67234
[07:30] <IrcsomeBot1> hotdancer was added by: hotdancer
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:19] <newke> hello. should i install tlp on kubuntu 16.04
[08:19] <newke> ?
[08:23] <Smurphy> tlp?
[08:25] <newke> its battery improvement package
[08:25] <newke> like battery saving
[11:00] <jubo2> Hiya and Danke Sehr for the great softwre
[11:00] <jubo2> I got some really weird behaviour
[11:00] <jubo2> 'tar cvzf' makes broken packets
[11:01] <jubo2> and there is enough disk space so it ain't that either
[11:01] <lordievader> jubo2: What do you mean with 'broken packets'?
[11:01] <jubo2> lordievader: when expanding them they complain about unexpected return code from child process or something like that
[11:02] <lordievader> As in 'tar xf' cannot extract it?
[11:02] <jubo2> lordievader: yeah
[11:03] <lordievader> Could you pastebin a full example?
[11:03] <jubo2> I'll try
[11:04] <jubo2> It is mostly in Finnish (damn hosting guys)
[11:04] <jubo2> Here is the English bit lordievader: "gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file"
[11:05] <lordievader> jubo2: Err, what I am asking for is a paste of a transcript where you compress something and then decompress it.
[11:05] <lordievader> That it is in Finnish I don't care about ;)
[11:05] <jubo2> uhh.. too tired to do that now. sorry
[13:06] <divadsn> Hello
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:58] <coder> blups
[16:54] <[Relic]> Is there some way to get programs to open on the primary screen first (unless a previous time it didn't/or set not too)
[17:06] <user|4284> kUBUNTU ДЛЯ ASPIRE ONE ZG5
[18:22] <bens218> hello. has anyone seen this issue before?
[18:22] <bens218> http://pasteboard.co/4CVvzFKEz.png
[18:23] <bens218> the chat application window stays blank
[18:27] <BluesKaj> bens218, which chat client is that?
[18:27] <bens218> the one that comes with plasma 5? telepathy i think
[18:27] <bens218> sorry, just switched from mate/xfce so i don't know the kde apps too well
[18:28] <BluesKaj> depends, if you want an irc clientr try konversation or quassel
[18:29] <bens218> i have quassel running and using it onw
[18:29] <bens218> now*
[18:29] <bens218> this is chat app, for google talk. it's under system settings - online accounts
[18:29] <BluesKaj> I've never used telepathy, si Ican't help you there
[18:30] <BluesKaj> so I can't help
[18:30] <bens218> i think it's telepathy, not sure what it's called
[18:30] <BluesKaj> probly is
[18:32] <bens218> http://pasteboard.co/4EyIYlCzs.png
[18:57] <ajaj> Hello, I've got a hash sum mismatch error while trying to install a package with apt-get. Upgrade and update didn't resolve it. Any help much appreciated
[19:02] <BluesKaj> ajaj, which package?
[19:05] <ajaj> hashcat-data and the extra packages it needs
[19:20] <konrados> Morning. I tend to forget it, but this time I'll write it down - we have a app launcher widget, right? There are those programs we can run - where are those programs stored, i.e. where does this widget search for them?
[19:42] <konrados> NVM I found it in: /usr/share/applications
[21:10] <wish^> How is the stability of Kubuntu, vs th other Ubuntu based distros. I am experiencing alot of problems with Unity and Cinnamon, they keep crashing randomlyh
[21:14] <yocs0000> wish^: it is OK .... LTS a bit more stable, if you go for 16.10 and you install from scratch and you have th right hardware ig work reasonable well
[21:53] <loma> hello
[21:53] <loma> good evening
 o/
[21:54] <loma> can anyone tell me how can i find the option for dolpin to disable/enable view hidden files? Not in gui. I'am searching for option in a configfile in the homedirectory.
[22:01] <valorie> loma: it will be in either ~/.config or ~/.local
[22:03] <loma> yes i know.. i've spend some hours to searching for, i have done checksums and diffs for files like dolphnrc or kdeglobals
[22:03] <loma> and other files
[22:03] <loma> but i can't find it
[22:04] <loma> i find this in kdeglobals: "Show hidden files=false" but this does nothing with dolphin
[22:05] <Dragnslcr> I tried changing the setting, and it doesn't look like it changed any files under my home directory
[22:07] <loma> Dragnslcr: yes i knwo
[22:09] <valorie>  hmmm, alt+.
[22:10] <valorie> could that rather be in shortcuts config?
[22:11] <loma> shortcuts.... strang, think not, but find this: https://userbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Configuration_Files
[22:11] <loma> so it should work, think there is something new
[22:13] <Dragnslcr> It remembers the setting, so it has to be stored somewhere
[22:13] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't think it would be in the Akonadi database or anything like that
[22:13] <valorie> certainly true
[22:14] <valorie> have you asked in #dolphin ?
[22:14] <valorie> no, not akonadi
[22:14] <valorie> it will be a text file somewhere, as said above
[22:18] <loma> ok i ask my question directly in #dolphin
[22:18] <loma>  I'll get back here
[22:19] <loma> oh...
[22:19] <loma> can't enter channel
[22:19] <loma> is password protected
[22:20] <valorie> oops, let me search
[22:20] <valorie> hmmm, must just be under #kde-devel , sorry
[22:26] <loma> found it
[22:26] <loma> was in #kde
[22:26] <loma> it is the .directory in every folder where you set it
[22:30] <Dragnslcr> Weird
[22:31] <loma> yes
[22:31] <loma> you can set it per directory and globaly in local/share/dolphin/view_properties/global/.directory but this i has not tested
[22:31] <loma> and yes... weird
[22:49] <IrcsomeBot1> hotdancer was removed by: hotdancer
[22:49] <linksword2> Greetings, all.
[22:54] <linksword2> So, I'm having some problems getting Steam to install. I think I need to remove it and start over with it, but I can't even figure out how to remove it.
[22:59] <valorie> !steam
[22:59] <valorie> I know quite a few who love steam and have it running on Kubuntu
[22:59] <jdjjdi> Hi all. What fs could you advise for me? I have 2 gib of ram so it seems I need dynamical swap. Another question is if I can boot from lvm2?
[22:59] <valorie> !swap
[23:00] <valorie> !lvm
[23:00] <valorie> stuff I know nothing about but ubottu does
[23:01] <linksword2> valorie:
[23:01] <linksword2> Whoops.
[23:02] <jdjjdi> I know what swap is.  I mean that I don't have enough space on hdd to give swap 8 gib and pry not to run out of it. In windows swap grows and shrinks automatically, so I cannot use btrfs.
[23:03] <valorie> right, the factoid is the same -- ignore what you already know
[23:03] <linksword2> valorie: I appreciate the topic from ubottu, but it doesn't really solve my problem. In attempting to get the download link for Steam, I get an error 403: Forbidden on webpages. Attempting to install it directly from the repository has resulted in a corrupted installation. I need to remove it and start over.
[23:03] <Dragnslcr> For 2 GB of memory, 2-4 GB of swap should be enough
[23:03] <jdjjdi> I remember the case I ran eclypse and it the swap growed to 5 gib
[23:04] <jdjjdi> *it
[23:05] <valorie> linksword2: " If you have retrieved the steam client previously, you likely will need to move it aside (including its config files and any cached game data) in order to successfully install the official steam client."
[23:05] <valorie> how did you install it in the first place?
[23:05] <valorie> you may be able to `sudo dpkg -r steam.deb`
[23:06] <valorie> where -r = remove
[23:06] <linksword2> Yes, I think I did that to remove it. But there are still files in the drive's index... Folders, etc.
[23:13] <LINKSWORD2> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/games/steam'
[23:47] <LINKSWORD2> I'm back. I need some help. Looks like I can't download the Kubuntu 16.10 upgrade directly in Discover.
[23:48] <valorie> LINKSWORD2: you mean you can trigger the upgrade there
[23:49] <valorie> yes you can, if you change from "LTS only"
[23:49] <LINKSWORD2> I told it to upgrade, it keeps asking for my root authentication, then it starts the download and immediately stops.
[23:51] <valorie> not root, because we don't use root
[23:51] <valorie> hmmm
[23:52] <valorie> well, I rarely use Discover because I don't like software stores
[23:53] <valorie> I use Muon or the commandline
[23:53] <LINKSWORD2> I preferred Muon, but I can't find it in the interface. It's like they replaced Muon with Discover.
[23:53] <valorie> they are now separate
[23:54] <valorie> Muon is a package manager, which is different than a software store
[23:54] <LINKSWORD2> valorie: Are you familiar with TeamViewer?
[23:54] <valorie> I've heard of it, yes
[23:54] <valorie> and my son who plays WoW uses it
[23:54] <valorie> call Muon directly and try that
[23:55] <valorie> configure it for all updates, not just LTS
[23:55] <LINKSWORD2> .... I think that would be TeamSpeak. TeamSpeak lets you talk to people over virtual voice communication clients, a VOIP, in a way.
[23:55] <valorie> ah, right
[23:56] <LINKSWORD2> TeamViewer lets you virtually take command of a computer, and perform actions on it as if you were sitting in the chair in front of it.
[23:56] <valorie> yeah, I've heard of that as well
[23:56] <valorie> remote administration
[23:56] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah.
[23:57] <LINKSWORD2> Far more intelligent and intuitive than a company's propriety ConnectAgent type software (HP, Dell, etc.)


[00:19] <xubuntu512> Hi
[00:19] <knome> hello
[00:19] <xubuntu512> I need help
[00:19] <knome> just ask; people will most likely answer if they are around and know the answer
[00:22] <xubuntu512> My xubuntu is on a 4.7 gb disc and won't boot right it says "starting boot" then it shows this little picture of something at the bottom of the screen then it has a blinking cursor then turns black
[00:22] <xubuntu512> and does not do anything
[01:19] <samineru> Xubuntu 13.10 seems to be ignoring my power settings regarding closing the lid. It suspends when settings for AC and Battery both are set to "Do Nothing." This is a Lenovo W500
[01:19] <ochosi> samineru: known issue, edit your /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[09:36] <xubuntu681> hello
[09:36] <xubuntu681> could i upgrade from 12.10 to 13.10?
[09:38] <xubuntu681> ????
[09:38] <xubuntu681> anybody is here?
[09:40] <koegs> xubuntu681: not directly
[09:40] <koegs> you have to upgrade to 13.04 first
[10:27] <jarkko_> i have kubuntu
[10:27] <jarkko_> how do i install xfce on it?
[10:27] <jarkko_> via command line
[10:27] <jarkko_> sudo apt-get install xfce4 ?
[10:30] <baizon> jarkko_: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:30] <jarkko_> do i have then kde and xfce?
[10:31] <jarkko_> or just xfce?
[10:31] <baizon> jarkko_: indeed
[10:31] <baizon> jarkko_:  both
[10:31] <jarkko_> has anyone really done it?
[10:31] <jarkko_> or tested it
[10:31] <jarkko_> that it doesnt break
[10:31] <baizon> jarkko_: yes i did it 3x
[10:31] <baizon> it doesnt break anything :)
[10:32] <jarkko_> wants to install around 600mb files
[10:32] <baizon> it would be more complicated to go from kde to xfce and then remove all the kde stuff
[10:32] <baizon> jarkko_: yes it will
[10:32] <jarkko_> are the configs the same?
[10:32] <jarkko_> or seperate?
[10:32] <baizon> jarkko_: xfce got his own config folder if it is what you mean
[10:32] <jarkko_> thats what i mean
[10:33] <jarkko_> is the xorg same?
[10:33] <baizon> jarkko_: yes it is
[10:57] <jarkko_> baizon: i did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and i got normal kde with extra programs
[10:57] <jarkko_> this is not how it should be
[10:57] <baizon> jarkko_: yes you have the xfce programs too now
[10:57] <baizon> jarkko_: then hide them :)
[10:57] <jarkko_> but i dont have xfce
[10:57] <jarkko_> i have kde
[10:58] <jarkko_> most likely i should install something more
[10:58] <elfy> logout and change the session to xubuntu
[11:01] <jarkko> baizon: you are right
[11:01] <jarkko> baizon: works now
[11:02] <jarkko> baizon: can i swap the top bar to bottom?
[11:04] <baizon> jarkko: yes you can
[11:04] <baizon> jarkko: unlock and just move it
[11:05] <cub> jarkko, right click on the panel, choose Panel and Panel Properties
[11:05] <cub> Preferences, not properties, sry
[11:06] <jarkko> cant fight how to move bottom
[11:07] <jarkko> find
[11:07] <elfy> it'll be locked - look where cub pointed you
[11:07] <jarkko> i unlocked
[11:08] <elfy> drag it
[11:08] <cub> jarkko, perhaps you already have a panel at the bottom as well?
[11:08] <cub> I'n ot sure how it handles that
[11:09] <elfy> seem to overlap
[11:15] <baizon> jarkko: yes, remove the other panel, that is already on the bottom
[12:00] <jarkko> baizon: i was able to move the bar bottom
[12:00] <jarkko> can i move the bottom panel top?
[12:01] <baizon> jarkko: yes
[12:01] <jarkko> did it
[12:01] <baizon> the same way, as you did with the top panel
[12:01] <baizon> ok
[12:01] <jarkko> i played one game dota2
[12:01] <baizon> and?
[12:01] <jarkko> and my keyboard didnt work as expected
[12:01] <jarkko> and i had some ati driver warning...
[12:02] <jarkko> i reboot
[12:02] <jarkko> back soon
[12:04] <jarkko__> rebooted
[12:04] <jarkko__> so the xfce seem to be default now
[12:06] <jarkko__> there are some crossover shortcuts on desktop, they should be safe to remove there ?
[12:09] <cub> What is the "best" way to make my xubuntu boot into text mode? I've read several options with "quiet splash text", change init or stop the lightdm service. I would like my eee pc to normally start with just the terminal, network acess. Then to be able to start the DE when I want to. Any suggestions?
[12:36] <elfy> cub: maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode will help
[12:42] <elfy> cub: in that page the answer with sudo bash -c 'echo "manual" >> /etc/init/lightdm.override' works here
[13:07] <jarkko> i cant alt+tab on xfce while in dota2?
[13:08] <cfhowlett> jarkko, not if dota2 has seized that keybinding ...
[13:09] <jarkko> cfhowlett: its up to dota?
[13:09] <Sysi> if you run it on wine, that's to be expected
[13:09] <jarkko> i dont run it from wine
[13:09] <cfhowlett> jarkko, many programs/apps/games do the unexpectged
[13:11] <Sysi> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2/issues/348
[13:11] <jarkko> well alt+tab worked on kde
[13:12] <cfhowlett> jarkko, so use KDE - problem solved.
[13:13] <Sysi> as mentioned behind the link I posted, it depends about the DE (WM)
[13:13] <jarkko> i read it
[13:14] <cub> thanks elfy , I'll go for that one I think.
[13:14] <jarkko> i installed xfce from command line, it had some suggested packages and recommended..i am pretty sure i didnt install them
[13:14] <jarkko> how do i install them afterwards?
[13:15] <elfy> cub: was certainly the easiest one :)
[13:29] <newvista> Good Day all... I have identified some shortcuts attached to the Super key, such as S+w to launch the web browser. Is there a way to assign / change other key bindings?
[13:29] <elfy> newvista: settings manager - keyboard - app shortcuts
[13:30] <elfy> and settings manager - settings editor - xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts
[13:37] <newvista> Thanks elfy. Does it matter which one I use?
[13:37] <elfy> first one is easier
[13:37] <elfy> depends what you're up to :)
[13:38] <newvista> Great! Thanks heaps.
[13:40] <newvista> Firefox does not show the icons on the bookmark toolbar. Is there a fix?
[13:52] <jarkko> newvista: do you mean the toolbar middle of the screen, bottom or top?
[14:03] <newvista> jarko: I have the bookmarks toolbar docked at the top of the browser, under the address bar.
[15:17] <newvista> How can I change the preferred web browser from Firefox to chromium-browser?
[15:19] <starrats> newvista go to settings manager and look for preferred settings.
[15:19] <starrats> excuse me meant preferred applications
[15:22] <newvista> starrats: Thanks, so there is only 4 preferred apps?
[15:22] <starrats> I guess that's what I saw this morning myself
[15:26] <newvista> How about different file types? Linux doesn't support file types by extension ... ?
[15:27] <starrats> newvista at the bottom of the menu list there is the xubuntu website, that will give you a lot of info.
[15:34] <Sysi> newvista: there's MIME type editor in settings manager, or you can just right click on a file in file manager and change it in properties
[15:43] <newvista> sysi: that's helpful, thanks
[16:04] <Unhammer> With this new light-locker replacing xscreensaver, what are my options for having an image slideshow show up when I lock my screen?
[16:05] <Unhammer> can i get lightdm to show an image slideshow?
[16:05] <Unhammer> or will I have to reinstall xscreensaver to have that?
[16:05] <brainwash> Unhammer: you will have to continue using xscreensaver
[16:07] <Unhammer> ok :/
[16:07] <Unhammer> maybe long-term I could make my own lightdm greeter =P
[16:08] <brainwash> sounds interesting
[17:18] <kblin> hi folks
[17:18] <elfy> hi
[17:21] <kblin> I'm currently playing with a 14.04 daily, but those seem to come only with the unity desktop installed. how do I get rid of that unity stuff?
[17:21] <elfy> kblin: either #ubuntu+1 or you can pop into #xubuntu-devel
[17:22] <elfy> I see you in +1
[18:36] <Golynx> Hi . Why do i have both Xfce Session and Xubuntu Session options included with the Ubuntu unity login options ?
[18:37] <Golynx> Which one is the correct version of Xfce.
[18:51] <junka> Golynx: why dont you try them both? I know I would
[18:52] <Golynx> junka i'm using Xfce session now, and it uses the same memory ram as unity 2D . I thought it would be les
[18:53] <junka> ubuntu 12.04?
[18:54] <Golynx> yes
[18:55] <junka> try lubuntu
[18:55] <junka> it's the lightest
[18:56] <Golynx> Nope i dont like Lubuntu, its not looking good
[18:56] <junka> ha
[18:56] <junka> go xubuntu then
[18:57] <bekks> Golynx: Then you have to live with the RAM consumption you are experiencing. Lubuntu is the lightest, in terms of RAM and resource usage.
[18:57] <Golynx> But its using the same amount of ram with the same apps open as it was in Unity 2D
[18:57] <junka> so what
[18:58] <Golynx> Ok bekks i guess so
[18:58] <junka> unity 2d is not even supported anymore
[18:58] <Golynx> thanks guys
[19:08] <Golynx> Ok . Is it ok to keep zeitgeist around in xubuntu ?
[19:09] <junka> xubuntu is a distro. XFCE is a DE
[19:11] <Golynx> So is Xubuntu session the real thing . And Xfce session the demo?
[19:24] <Sysi> Golynx: on first login selecting xfce session loads different default settings than xubuntu session, after that it won't matter because user's personal setting are stored to the home folder
[19:25] <tc1100> hey im having an issue here
[19:26] <tc1100> its not letting me enter a 15 character wifi password
[19:26] <tc1100> all my other systems run windows and can connect fine
[19:27] <Sysi> my wifi with 15 character passwd works fine
[19:27] <jarkko__> tc1100: britney spears would say that i am overprotected
[19:27] <junka> by birth
[19:27] <tc1100> the "connect" button greys out when i get to 15 characters
[19:28] <tc1100> i just fixed it nevermind
[19:28] <tc1100> the popup dialogue was prompting me for wep only
[19:28] <tc1100> im using wpa2 eas
[19:28] <tc1100> i had to go into the actual settings and change that
[19:29] <Golynx> Sysi: so both Xfce session and Xubuntu session is configured differently, and thats what seperates them ?
[19:30] <Golynx> I'm only using Xfce session btw, to be on the sasfe side :)
[19:30] <Golynx> safe*
[19:30] <Sysi> Golynx: different theme and panel setup, and it will be loaded only on first login anyway
[19:31] <Golynx> Ok cool, i understand thanks Sysi :)
[20:18] <kblin> evening folks
[20:20] <kblin> I'm trying to figure out how to switch my sound from HDMI output to headphones (aka analog stereo) when headphones are plugged in. currently I always need to manually toggle this in the sound settings
[20:21] <kblin> however, my google-fu is coming up empty. any pointers?
[20:22] <bazhang> using padevchooser/pavucontrol or the like?
[20:23] <Sysi> if you set headphones as fallback, isn't that selection re-enabled after you replug them?
[20:24] <Sysi> at least individual sound sources remember the device I've set them, even if I re-plug my usb soundcard
[20:25] <kblin> bazhang: yup
[20:25] <kblin> bazhang: actually, I'd prefer the switching to be automatic
[20:25] <kblin> Sysi: well, analog stereo doesn't disappear if I remove the headphones
[20:26] <bazhang> I cant really help there as I always leave my headphones in :)
[20:26] <bazhang> the computer , that is
[20:27] <kblin> well, I guess a hotkey would work as well
[20:27] <kblin> it's just a bit annoying having to open a menu all the time
[20:51] <r0b-> so was i talking to yesterday about ATI drivers in Xubuntu?
[20:52] <kblin> hm, also I'd be happy if my screen wouldn't switch off after some minutes of of inactivity, even though I set it not to
[20:53] <brainwash> kblin: check your power manager and xscreensaver settings
[20:54]  * r0b- is going to try using the FGLRX-UPDATES driver
[21:00] <kblin> brainwash: I'll double check, but both should be off
[21:01] <brainwash> kblin: do both processes actually run in the background?
[21:01] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager and xscreensaver
[21:02] <kblin> yup
[21:02] <brainwash> run "xset q" to verify that the timeout values are correct
[21:03] <brainwash> look for "Screen Saver" and "DPMS"
[21:04] <kblin> ah. now the timeout values stuck
[21:26] <ct85711> Maybe someone could help me on a strange error; I'm getting a read only error when trying to transfer a file to a disk within thunar, even though the mounts is set for rw and owners is set correctly
[21:26] <ct85711> however moving the file via command line works perfectly fine without anny issue
[21:31] <ct85711> the issue also only happens on random files, others transfer fine; and I am also able to create folders directly on the disk without any issue either
[22:06] <adrenaline_> ct85711, in the cli do a ls -la and check file permissions for each file
[22:07] <r0b-> anyone else having issues with ATI's driver in Ubuntu 13.10?
[22:09] <ct85711> adrenaline_: I checked, the file's and folders permissions are all 533 with owner & groupings set to the user
[22:10] <starrats> lol
[22:14] <Fily> Dear friends, I have a laptop which supports Ubuntu until 11.10 version. Now some friends guggest me to install Xubuntu 13.10. Do you think it is a good exercise? I'd install it on my virtual machine on my laptop
[22:19] <starrats> Fily I'm running a win7 laptop with xubuntu on VirtualBox and all is just fine.
[22:25] <ct85711> here's the error message I am getting, just a regular attempt to move a file (within the file manager) http://imagebin.org/289384, the second file is the attempt via command line http://imagebin.org/289385
[22:36] <Sysi> running outdated xubuntu is not wise
[22:47] <luca> Dear friens, where can I download xubuntu 13.10?
[22:47] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ right there.
[22:48] <ct85711> luca the link to download is up in the topic
[22:48] <slickymaster> luca, here you go: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/
[22:48] <starrats> xubuntu.com or go to google luca
[23:05] <mlody> Hi can some one help me on grub?
[23:09] <xubuntu943> So I having a issuse where i am trying to install Xubuntu. Everytime get to the screen where I pick where to install it my hard drive dose not show up. At frist I thought the hard drive was bad, but I used disks to run smart tests and it found the drive to be good. I then tried installed windows 7, no problems at all. I begin to try other drives and found I have this problem with 3 other drives. They are all seagate 320gb and at
[23:09] <xubuntu943> anyone have any ideas
[23:12] <binalith> hi, new user looking for some advice
[23:14] <ct85711> what advice do you need binalith ?
[23:14] <binalith> trying to access  /etc/systemd/logind.conf to set my laptop to not hibernate when closed as I have a vga monitor attached. I have set up root access but eben when logged in on the terminal I keep getting permission denied
[23:15] <binalith> *eben = even. sorry
[23:15] <mlody> sudo?
[23:15] <mlody> you need root
[23:16] <mlody> You have all aplication run after restart?
[23:16] <binalith> supposedly I do have root, I just did "sudo passwd root"
[23:17] <binalith> oh, do i need to restart?
[23:18] <adrenaline_> binalith, try this
[23:18] <adrenaline_> sudo su -
[23:18] <adrenaline_> then your user password
[23:18] <xubuntu623> Time after time i try new versions of Xubuntu and icons in menu / setting / file manager flash on and off. This I believe is a display library related to xfce as it doesn't happen in other desktops. get same issue over different hardware so others must be experiencing same as me. even typing this now the fonts disappear and reappear in firefox.
[23:19] <adrenaline_> you should see the $ turn into #
[23:19] <dunpeal> Hi. I'd like to build a binary that has many dependencies (mplayer2). Is there a way to tell Xubuntu to install all the dependencies (i.e. -dev packages and headers and such) required by the build?
[23:19] <adrenaline_> then just type password only
[23:19] <binalith> ok, thanks I'll try that. one sec.
[23:20] <adrenaline_> passwd only
[23:20] <adrenaline_> without the only
[23:20] <adrenaline_> that should create a password for root
[23:21] <binalith> i did sudo su -  typed passwd. got the # then tried /etc/systemd/logind.conf and got 'permission denied'
[23:22] <adrenaline_> wait
[23:22] <adrenaline_> do this
[23:22] <adrenaline_> sudo su -
[23:22] <adrenaline_> then your userpasword
[23:22] <xubuntu623> the mix of ubuntu plus xfce somethings wrong and has been for a number of releases. Fedora plus xfce works normally on same xfce version
[23:22] <adrenaline_> binalith, I think I confused you lets just do this
[23:22] <adrenaline_> sudo su -
[23:22] <brainwash> dunpeal: sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer2
[23:22] <adrenaline_> then your user password
[23:23] <dunpeal> brainwash: thanks
[23:23] <adrenaline_> now you are root
[23:23] <adrenaline_> if you want to create a root password type passwd
[23:24] <binalith> still got permission denied on /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[23:24] <xubuntu623> am using pentium 4 early duo core hardware there must be a patch or trick
[23:24] <adrenaline_> binalith, ls -la /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[23:26] <binalith> i guess it doesnt exist
[23:27] <binalith> im trying to do this: HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[23:27] <binalith> HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[23:28] <brainwash> binalith: xfce4-power-manager has been patched, the new version is currently available in saucy-proposed and very soon in release
[23:29] <brainwash> see bug 1222021
[23:30] <binalith> ok, do I just download saucy-proposed?
[23:30] <adrenaline_> binalith, what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:30] <brainwash> you have to enable saucy-proposed, (re)install xfce4-power-manager and then disable the proposed repo
[23:31] <binalith> I'
[23:31] <binalith> I'm trying to get my laptop to not hibernate so I can close it with a monitor attached
[23:32] <adrenaline_> cant you just do that in the power settings?
[23:32] <brainwash> it actually does not hibernate, it suspends
[23:32] <binalith> apparently not
[23:32] <binalith> yes it suspends
[23:32] <brainwash> adrenaline_: see the linked bug report
[23:32] <binalith> disconnects from wifi and blacks out monitor
[23:32] <binalith> etc
[23:32] <luca> ct85711, I'm running xubuntu 13.10 on virtualbox after downloading it
[23:33] <xubuntu623> going to install gnome desktop so hopefully it will pull through missing libs xubuntu devs forgot to add or felt didn't need.
[23:33] <luca> slickymaster, thanks to your link i was able to download it. Do you think it is a good exercise??
[23:33] <adrenaline_> oh I haven't upgraded yet this didn't affect me yet
[23:33] <brainwash> xubuntu623: what is missing?
[23:34] <adrenaline_> I hope they fix that soon
[23:34] <binalith> well there is this workaround, but I can't seem to implement
[23:34] <brainwash> adrenaline_: yes, just a matter of few days and it will be fixed for everyone
[23:34] <adrenaline_> ok cool let me see what I can find out binalith
[23:35] <adrenaline_> thanks brainwash
[23:35] <binalith> cool thanks
[23:36] <binalith> brainwash: what will I have to do 'in a few days'
[23:37] <binalith> sorry, totally new to linux
[23:37] <brainwash> run the update manager :)
[23:38] <brainwash> the patched power manager package is still in an extra repository for testing (saucy-proposed)
[23:39] <brainwash> it will be moved in few days, so everyone will get the update
[23:39] <adrenaline_> good info brainwash
[23:40] <adrenaline_> binalith, sorry I don't have anything new enough to look at right now. I can play with it tonight and see what's up but if there will be a workaround in a couple of days it may just pay to wait.
[23:41] <binalith> yah, I suppose I'll just have to wait. thanks alot for the help
[23:42] <adrenaline_> sorry I couldn't be more, but hey you I learned something new today.
[23:42] <binalith> brain: thanks for the update info
[23:42] <binalith> ya, I'm learning a lot today haha
[23:49] <xubuntu623> hello brainwash thats the question i've been wondering for a number of xubuntu releases. Everytime i install xubuntu say on an eeepc the folder icons in the file manager disappear when you place the mouse over them. same in the menu. as i type this the fonts are disappearing and reappearing which is making it hard to type
[23:49] <brainwash> binalith: if your are curious how to get the update now without waiting, try this: navigate to settings manager > software and sources > updates, enable "pre-released updates", then open a terminal window and run "sudo apt-get update && sudp apt-get install xfce4-power-manager", now disable "pre-released updates" and relog
[23:50] <brainwash> xubuntu623: you could try to disable compositing (settings manager > window manager tweaks > last tab)
[23:52] <brainwash> xubuntu623: besides.. is this issue xubuntu specific?
[23:55] <xubuntu623> hello brainwash, tried disabling compositing no good. Have only seen this problem in xubuntu. having tried xubuntu on a number of machines all havethe same problem. that's why i can't believe i'm the only user experiencing tis
[23:57] <brainwash> that's odd, and no, this is not a common issue
[23:58] <brainwash> you could file a bug report on launchpad and provide information about your hardware


[01:47] <lamont> jbailey/doko: did we get the new hppa-loving glibc uploaded?
[01:47] <infinity> lamont: Yes.
[01:47] <infinity> lamont: That was ubuntu10
[01:48] <lamont> soog
[01:48] <infinity> lamont: If you're noticing that java packages (like db4.3) still fail to build, I noticed the same thing.
[01:48] <lamont> woot, even
[01:49] <lamont> do we have anything that gives the list of recent failures (I don't care about successes...)(
[01:49] <doko> lamont: please tell me why openoffice.org doesn't start on ia64, if openoffice.org-gnome is installed
[01:49] <lamont> hrm... for newer machines, I expect it's because they don't do i386 in hardware... :)
[01:50] <lamont> for older machines, nfc
[01:50] <infinity> lamont: Hit up the buildd pages (all three of them), then filter by build state.
[01:50] <lamont> but I'll play with that some during the work week
[01:50] <infinity> lamont: That's the only real way (currently) to get all the failures for an arch.
[01:50] <lamont> sigh
[01:50] <doko> lamont: apparently it's an old machine, because it starts _without_ gnome
[01:50] <lamont> doko: yeah.  zx1 or earlier
[01:51] <lamont> maybe even zx2... dunno
[01:51] <lamont> infinity: I think I'll fire up a w-b instance for dapper again, just to see the status... :-)
[01:51] <infinity> doko: Is there a hope in hell of having native 64-bit OpenOffice for dapper+1?
[01:51] <infinity> lamont: Sad...
[01:51] <infinity> lamont: I could build some custom queries on drescher.
[01:51] <lamont> infinity: already have one for breezy-security, nothing extra to do for dapper, other than add it to the list of suites
[01:52] <infinity> lamont: Also, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing-ports/dapper_outdate.txt is useful.
[01:52] <doko> infinity: I'll have to find out if it's targeted for 2.0.3, which is late May ...
[01:52] <infinity> doko: I suspect you can't wait to stop maintaining all the goofy ia32-libs collections. :)
[01:53] <lamont> infinity: very useful - bookmarked
[01:53] <infinity> Oh, there are a few of those.  File bugs if you haven't yet.
[01:53] <doko> infinity: dude, it's not *my* stuff ...
[01:53] <infinity> lamont: Also, ../testing/dapper_outdate.txt is for non-ports.
[01:54] <infinity> lamont: I need to ask Colin to do that as a unified file (easier to pikc out what fails everywhere), but right now, I wget and sort them together into one file.
[01:56] <lamont> Totals by arch:
[01:56] <lamont>     * hppa:92
[01:56] <lamont>     * sparc:29
[01:56] <lamont>     * ia64:23
[01:56] <lamont> hppa rocks
[01:57] <lamont> that's dapper-problems
[01:57] <infinity> hppa's getting there.
[01:58] <infinity> It was 300 or something a while ago.
[01:58] <infinity> dapper_problems is almost getting readable.
[01:58] <lamont> esp for non-ports
[01:59] <infinity> non-ports is just waiting on package removals, otherwise it's "perfect"
[01:59] <infinity> Someone really should fix the findutils FTBFS though.
[02:22] <jbailey> doko: Wow: Stage 2 ends already?
[02:24] <doko> yes, but better not base dapper+1 on 4.2 ...
[02:29] <jbailey> Well, with a 6 week delay, 4.2 will be theoretically released, right? ;)
[02:37] <doko> jbailey, infinity: could one of you go over the debian repository and scan for patches not applied in the ubuntu package?
[02:37] <jbailey> Anything you're looking for in particular?
[02:37] <jbailey> (assuming you mean glibc, right? *g*)
[02:38] <doko> yes :)
[02:55] <jbailey> doko: Is there anything in particular fix that you're looking for?
[02:56] <doko> the particular one last weekend was "find the java breakage on hppa"
[02:56] <doko> which turned out as eh-frame-terminator.diff ...
[02:58] <jbailey> Sure.  Although the hppa patches in our glibc were the ones that the Debian hppa guy had said were best to be in there.
[02:59] <jbailey> Thinking of which.  Carlos had said that he'll try to have me hppa patches for nptl on 2.4 for next week.


[02:06] -SolarMiJA:#ubuntu-boot- New game started, http://sre.servegame.com  : This is a webgame based on SOLAR REALMS ELITE, a famous BBS game back in 1992 (Earth2025/BRE fans are welcome)


[00:47] <bdx> Mmike: https://gist.github.com/jamesbeedy/7a2226b7ab097e7e329cb45c54c5097d
[00:48] <bdx> Mmike: I hacked at it for a while, that is as clean and simple as I could get it
[07:46] <Mmike> kwmonroe, heh, did't know that ;) 'juju switch' and 'juju whoami' are fast enough, it seems
[07:47] <Mmike> bdx, thnx! I'll expand that a bit, so that it shows JUJU_MODEL, unless it is set up it will do 'juju whoami/juju switch' and display what's relevant. I actually prefer JUJU_MODEL because that way I can control two different environments/models within different terminals, or so.
[07:57] <TheAbsentOne> Is it possible with actions to deploy a new charm or a subordinate?
[10:01] <TheAbsentOne> Someone willing to take a look at this: https://ciberth.gitbooks.io/logboek-thesis/content/actions.html I want to know if this is possible in juju and if so how you can deploy subordinates or charms inside actions! Thanks for the help!
[11:22] <zeestrat> TheAbsentOne: I haven't seen anything about deploying charms or subordinates (kind of the same thing) from actions so you might want to ask the mailing list about that one. Just so I understand your use case, is there a reason why you want to use something like a generic-db-manager and subordinates instead of talking directly to the mysql server? The MySQL shared interface might be helpful if you want work with sharing multiple
[11:22] <zeestrat> db's with different applications: https://github.com/openstack/charm-interface-mysql-shared
[11:27] <TheAbsentOne> Thanks for replying zeestrat! Maybe I should try the mailing list idd. To clarify the situation: I'm doing a research about virtual data administrators. The basic idea is that a user can request a generic database instead of a certain technology. For example if an applications needs some kind of SQL database then the user doesn't really care if it's on mysql, mariadb or even postgresql
[11:28] <TheAbsentOne> Part of my research is looking into this matter conceptually and with oasis tosca, but we want to implement (or try at least) some parts of it with juju as well. The big problem I have is that I want to create charms that do not really represent applications but in this case a database. I hope this clarifies it a bit, zeestrat? :)
[11:29] <TheAbsentOne> So in a concrete example: imagine a charm requiring a generic-sql interface and the generic-db-manager providing that then the whole ecosystem should work if under the generic-db-manager hangs a mysql or a mariadb charm from the charmstore
[11:30] <TheAbsentOne> I need some sort of manager node though because I want to offer flexibility to create databases and re-use them as needed
[11:37] <zeestrat> I think I understand. Well the current mysql interfaces allow you to use either mysql and percona-cluster already but I understand that you want a more generalised version for other sql's so I'd check with the mailing list for the best approach.
[11:41] <TheAbsentOne> Well I'm by far not an expert (not in juju and not with all database technologies) but I try to find ways to make it work ^^ thanks for trying to help though zeestrat . Could you recommend someone to talk about this before using the mailing list? The last juju show kinda comes close tbh
[11:52] <TheAbsentOne> In addition to that, either I'm really missing something but it seems that when I use the mysql charm, I can't choose a specific database name?
[11:53] <zeestrat> TheAbsentOne: rick_h_ might know or who to ask (NA time zone), but you might as well hit the list to get some more eyes.
[11:54] <TheAbsentOne> He follows PT? I'll try to keep that in mind
[11:54] <TheAbsentOne> Thanks again though!
[11:56] <zeestrat> Right, so the mysql charm just installs and sets up a mysql server. A charm that wants to use a mysql then needs to specify what it needs, dbname, username, password etc using the mysql interface which is what talks to the mysql charm. If you look at the readme in https://github.com/openstack/charm-interface-mysql-shared you see example use cases where an example charm configures a couple of db's.
[11:57] <zeestrat> Both the mysql charm which deploys the mysql server and the charm requiring mysql communicate using the mysql interface which is their common language so to speak.
[12:25] <TheAbsentOne> Exactly, maybe I'm a bit too focussed on the wordpress example and that is confusing me. But in the db-relation-changed hook there is this line "database=`relation-get database`" getting the database name right? But where is this defined originally, because when I tried it all values are kinda random. Is that default behaviour when it's not filled in or something zeestrat ?
[12:26] <TheAbsentOne> I think I played mindgames with myself here. Sorry for the stupid questions
[12:38] <zeestrat> No no, it's most likely just a not good enough example, especially with the wordpress charm which is a bit old and only has the standard mysql interface (which page are you looking at btw?). The thing is, there are a bunch of different interface that are defined that charms either provide (server) or require (client). You can see the list here: https://github.com/juju/layer-index. If you look closely, there are multiple
[12:38] <zeestrat> different mysql interfaces. The links I posted earlier are for the `mysql-shared` interface which is a bit more fully featured where you can define things yourself compared to the standard `mysql` interface. The wordpress charm you're looking at only knows about the standard `mysql` interface which I think just generates a database for you.
[12:39] <zeestrat> You can see the different interfaces that a charm supports by looking at the interface widget in the charm store, for example https://jujucharms.com/wordpress/ and https://jujucharms.com/percona-cluster/, or in the `metadata.yaml` in the charm directories.
[12:40] <TheAbsentOne> I was looking at the api from the wordpress charm. I'm gonna use the shared one with a custom example later today.
[12:41] <TheAbsentOne> Yeah I get the workflows, bit confused by the auto generated values and not finding where it's auto generated
[12:42] <TheAbsentOne> I'm gonna toy a bit around with it and come back later to it. I need to figure out a way though to communicate with juju from within hooks for my desired action functionalities :/
[12:46] <zeestrat> Gotcha. Then I'd really recommend reaching out the list. I've seen some charms use a bit of a workaround by adding an service user to the juju model which they then connect to from the charm (https://jujucharms.com/charmscaler/), but there's probably a better way to do what you want so I'd ask.
[12:49] <TheAbsentOne> nice, yeah I'll think I'm gonna mail. But I'll prepare some clear documentation first as it might be a bit abstract. Thanks again man, I don't know what I would do without the help of you guys!
[12:52] <zeestrat> No problemo. Please do make sure to add a comment in the mail and/or in a bug (https://github.com/juju/docs/issues) on where the docs and examples are unclear or lead you astray :)
[12:53] <TheAbsentOne> I've been thinking about suggesting a tutorial/roadmap when I'm done!
[14:11] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: zeestrat so ideally there's on real love in the db names. They're named after the relation other end so it's somewhat identifiable but doesn't require manual input and if you setup > 1 you don't have name collisions
[14:11] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: zeestrat, however, one thing is that I was talking about enabling things like new dbs, that normally take place over a relation, to be able to be done via a charm action
[14:11] <rick_h_> in that case having things like optional db names as part of running the action would be sweet
[14:12] <rick_h_> that was a basic note during the juju show stuff from last week.
[14:14] <TheAbsentOne> Exactly! The question then pops up where do we want that action be performed on? Do you want "juju run-action mysql create name=mynewdb" or do you want to perform this action to another charm.
[14:16] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: ? I don't get the "on another charm" bit
[14:16] <TheAbsentOne> For most use cases the mysql charm would be the fitting answer. But for my use cases with generic databases I want some knowledge to happen on a higher level. Do you know by any chance rick_h_ if it's possible to deploy charms/subordinates inside an action/hook?
[14:16] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: so the idea there is that the various dbs you want to support need to have a common action language. So the same action can work the same way on different charms and the charms are wrapping the 'how to' knowledge
[14:16] <TheAbsentOne> https://ciberth.gitbooks.io/logboek-thesis/content/actions.html This might illustrate it or clarify.
[14:17] <TheAbsentOne> Yes exactly
[14:17] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: so yea, I'd propose that the manager isn't really necessary if everything supports the same list of actions that are common
[14:17] <TheAbsentOne> Meaning that it doesn't matter if you have a mysql or mariadb charm when talking about sql databases.
[14:18] <rick_h_> then you just run it where you need it, but that's just a quick glance
[14:18] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: rgr
[14:19] <TheAbsentOne> That is true, the manager is not needed if the mysql charm, mariadb charm, postgrescharm, mongodb charm, cassandra charm, ... all support that action
[14:20] <TheAbsentOne> Now I'm curious what rgr means? :o rick_h_
[14:20] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: ah sorry, roger
[14:20] <rick_h_> like "I hear you, roger" or whatever
[14:21] <rick_h_> it's my short way of saying ... kk
[14:21] <TheAbsentOne> ohn gotcha xD haha
[14:21] <rick_h_> or something
[14:23] <TheAbsentOne> rick_h_: In my ultimate working proof of concept I would have an application that needs a database (and it's allowed to be anything so mysql, mariadb, postgres but mongodb would be fine too!) and that my "generic database" charm would determine what kinda service the app would use and everything would still work.
[14:23] <TheAbsentOne> But it might be impossible with juju
[14:23] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: right, but in the end you still need to ask the user what db to use and you still need those dbs deployed, and they still need to have the right actions/etc.
[14:24] <TheAbsentOne> Well that's the thing the user in my use case won't need to worry about that
[14:24] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: so its' running a VM you're paying for and maybe it'll do more later, but just for selecting which db to add a new database to I'm not sure how much value it's adding there.
[14:24] <rick_h_> gotcha
[14:25] <TheAbsentOne> Another way of looking at it is this: you have a bundle that deploys a set of big data tools and stuff right. The data scientist will get some data from "a database" but it doesn't matter what it is.


[00:57] <imnichol> So are this irc channel and the ubuntu-tv list the only development going on for an ubuntu tv at this point?
[00:58] <imnichol> I realize that this is still pretty early, so there's not going to be a huge amount of work on it
[03:14] <dmj726> imnichol: I'd like to know this as well
[03:31] <imnichol> I mean, I'm not a Canonical employee myself, so if there's a bunch of people being paid to do this, I'd like to know so that I don't end up stepping on their toes
[03:31] <dmj726> It would give me confidence to know that Canonical is actually giving this a big push right now.
[05:44] <imnichol> Agreed
[08:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> Any sign of Undi?
[09:00] <MrChrisDruif> Good day
[09:01] <IAmNotThatGuy> Good afternoon MrChrisDruif :]
[09:02] <MrChrisDruif> Good morning to you as well IAmNotThatGuy =)
[09:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> I wish it cpuld be Saturday night here :[
[09:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> could*
[09:12] <MrChrisDruif> Sunday morning over here
[09:26] <MrChrisDruif> Did you all see the email about the updated wiki area?
[16:01] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; I don't really like Pencil as it can only run in Firefox till about version 7 or something (that, and I'm more of a chromium man). Can't we just use .svg images? That can but handled by InkScape
[16:17] <AlanBell> it doesn't run in firefox, it gets launched from firefox
[16:17] <AlanBell> it runs in it's own window
[16:25] <MrChrisDruif> Still, I couldn't get it working
[16:25] <AlanBell> ok, how far did you get with it?
[16:26] <MrChrisDruif> Apparently you can also run it separately, but I've not yet managed that as well
[16:26] <AlanBell> http://evoluspencil.googlecode.com/files/Pencil-1.3-2-fx.xpi download that
[16:27] <AlanBell> in firefox you need to add it as an extension, then in the tools menu you get the pencil sketching option
[16:28] <AlanBell> you can use inkscape, but it isn't a wireframing storyboarding application
[16:32] <MrChrisDruif> Finally, it works
[16:32] <AlanBell> yay
[16:32] <MrChrisDruif> I had trouble installing it manually, but I just had to search for it on the internetz
[16:32] <AlanBell> I am just trying to launch it directly without using firefox
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> Only version 1.2 seems to be available
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> For a standalone version
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Downloads/Application.aspx
[16:34] <AlanBell> yeah, but you can expand the .xpi
[16:35] <AlanBell> in theory you can then run firefox --app ./application.ini
[16:35] <AlanBell> and I had to edit the application.ini to let it be compatible with firefox 8
[16:37] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh, if you get it working, let me know
[16:37] <AlanBell> I don't get the problem with running it as an extension though
[16:39] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, did you take a look at the wiki page already?
[16:39] <AlanBell> yeah, it is fine
[16:39] <MrChrisDruif> Good to hear
[16:40]  * MrChrisDruif is of for dinner
[17:15]  * AlanBell gives up trying to get it to launch outside of firefox
[17:18] <MrChrisDruif> Haha
[17:20] <AlanBell> it should work, but doesn't, and it is a bit pointless all round
[17:21] <AlanBell> firefox is part of ubuntu, everyone has it, pencil installs easily and automatically in firefox, you just have to run firefox, launch it from the tools menu and close firefox if you don't want to use firefox
[17:21] <MrChrisDruif> Well, for someone not using Firefox... ;-)
[17:22] <MrChrisDruif> You can close Firefox itself after launching?
[17:22] <AlanBell> nobody with ubuntu-desktop doesn't have firefox
[17:22] <AlanBell> yes, you can close firefox
[17:23] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh, great =)
[17:23] <MrChrisDruif> I "might" take a look at it later on
[17:24] <MrChrisDruif> But I'm shutting down, of to the ferry to the mainland (I'm on Texel atm, mainland being the rest of Holland ;-) )
[17:27] <AlanBell> ok
[17:43] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/918
[17:49] <AlanBell> tgm4883: imnichol dmj726 ^^^
[17:49] <imnichol> Can you re-share that link?
[17:49] <AlanBell> huh?
[17:50] <imnichol> Oh sorry, thought the "^^^" was you trying to direct my attention to something that someone had said before I joined
[17:50] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/918
[17:51] <AlanBell> sorry, I have joins and similar junk all directed to another window
[17:52] <imnichol> Wow
[17:52] <imnichol> Mark Shuttleworth actually acknowledged me :3
[17:52] <AlanBell> thought you might like it ;)
[17:52] <imnichol> Dude I'm kind of freaking out
[17:52] <imnichol> lol
[17:52] <imnichol> Hahah thanks for pointing that out
[17:53] <AlanBell> "a TV experience for Unity" is what he calls it
[17:54] <imnichol> It's all about the wording
[17:57] <imnichol> AlanBell: are you a Canonical employee?
[17:58] <AlanBell> no
[18:00] <imnichol> Ok.  I need a spreadsheet to remember who everyone is and what they think about things
[18:01] <imnichol> (I'm not either)
[18:41] <tgm4883> sweet
[18:43] <tgm4883> err
[18:43] <tgm4883> AlanBell, is that the list?
[18:43] <tgm4883> I thought there were far less essential items
[18:43] <tgm4883> oh nm, I see that the formatting got screwed up on for high priority
[18:45] <AlanBell> dunno
[18:45] <AlanBell> I don't think the feature list matters much tbh
[18:48] <tgm4883> AlanBell, where is the pencil stuff?
[18:49] <tgm4883> I wasn't around the last few days so I didn't bookmark it
[18:55] <imnichol> tgm4883: I think it's this http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Downloads/Application.aspx
[18:56] <imnichol> Is that correct AlanBell?
[18:59] <AlanBell> imnichol: yes, that should be fine https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/msg00019.html
[18:59] <imnichol> Thanks.  I grabbed my link off irclogs.ubuntu.com
[19:00] <imnichol> But yours is better ;)
[19:05] <yo2boy_> :)
[19:59] <AlanBell> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/ubuntu-smart-tv-discussions-begin-to-warm-up/
[19:59] <AlanBell> erk
[20:03] <tgm4883> AlanBell, looks like I'm going to have to make some sketches as well, can't let you get all the press ;)
[20:05] <AlanBell> good!
[20:05] <imnichol> I've just got another week and a half till finals are over and I can actually be creative instead of just hanging out here
[20:06] <imnichol> If I allowed myself to get too involved with this project, I'd probably fail all my classes
[20:06] <imnichol> Till that time, AlanBell, you'll continue to be way more productive than I am
[20:09] <AlanBell> I am about done really
[20:09] <AlanBell> bit perplexed by the attention it is getting
[20:10] <imnichol> Hey, they're good designs
[20:11] <popey> 'ubuntu designer Alan bell'
[20:11] <popey> ho ho ho
[20:11] <AlanBell> yeah /o\
[20:11] <tgm4883> I've got to look into why pencil doesn't want to launch on my 64-bit oneiric install
[20:12] <tgm4883> other stuff to do first though
[20:12] <AlanBell> the clever bit if you can call it that was the ubuntu themed jquery export filter for pencil
[20:12] <AlanBell> tgm4883: I am using 64bit oneiric
[20:12] <tgm4883> AlanBell, are you using the standalone or FF version?
[20:13] <AlanBell> firefox version
[20:13] <tgm4883> ah
[20:13] <tgm4883> I'm using standalone
[20:13] <AlanBell> standalone doesn't work
[20:13] <AlanBell> there is no xulrunner
[20:13] <tgm4883> I see
[20:13] <tgm4883> that explains alot
[20:13]  * tgm4883 now has to figure out FF
[20:13] <AlanBell> all you do is click the thing in firefox and it works
[20:14] <popey> why does pencil not work standalone now?
[20:14] <AlanBell> http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx big orange button
[20:14] <AlanBell> popey: we dropped xulrunner
[20:14] <AlanBell> and it isn't being maintained as well standalone
[20:14] <popey> ah
[20:15] <AlanBell> and we dropped xulrunner because mozilla have a 6 nanosecond release cycle
[20:15] <AlanBell> so click the big orange button, do what it says to install the extension, then from the tools menu launch pencil
[20:16] <AlanBell> then you can close firefox and you don't need to figure out how firefox works
[20:16] <AlanBell> once pencil is running it is a separate application, you just have to launch it from firefox
[20:17] <AlanBell> then in the pencil menus go to tools-manage export templates and from there you can install my ubuntu.zip export template
[20:17] <AlanBell> which is full of awesome
[20:17] <tgm4883> ok, pencil actually works now
[20:17] <tgm4883> although FF didn't want to know what an xpi file was
[20:18] <AlanBell> and download the BaseDesignFrame.ep and start making new pages with your designs on them
[20:18] <AlanBell> copying and pasting the TV from the first page
[20:38] <popey> clicking the orange button wants to download a file associated with archive viewer
[20:39] <AlanBell> um, save it somewhere I guess
[20:40] <popey> i have
[20:40] <popey> it dosn't open with ff
[20:40] <AlanBell> one sec, will try installing on another PC
[20:40] <popey> archive manager has the association
[20:40] <AlanBell> maybe some magic involved
[20:40] <popey> open with
[20:40] <popey> thats done it
[20:41] <AlanBell> ah right
[20:41] <AlanBell> I thought file associations were just broken on my PC
[20:42] <popey> where is the zip?
[20:42] <popey> haha just found http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/popey.png
[20:42] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/
[20:47]  * AlanBell upgrades from pencil 1.3.0 to 1.3.2
[21:09] <AlanBell> popey: got it working?
[21:18] <popey> i have imported your zip, not sure how to use it ☺
[21:20] <AlanBell> in the menu document-export document, single web page, all pages, select the template Ubuntu Theme and pick a destination folder.
[21:58] <MrChrisDruif> Good evening everyone; 'lo AlanBell
[22:00] <AlanBell> hi MrChrisDruif
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[22:00] <AlanBell> fine, I was *not* expecting my scribbles to be featured on OMGUbuntu
[22:01] <MrChrisDruif> Haha =)
[22:02] <MrChrisDruif> They have a tendency in doing that
[22:03] <AlanBell> it is an interesting suggestion having stuff wiki hosted btw
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, takes the fuss out of setting it up somewhere else
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't know if it's possible
[22:06] <imnichol> AlanBell: Have you put "ubuntu designer" on your resume yet? ;)
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, indeed =P
[22:06] <AlanBell> oh, can't attach HTML files to the wiki and view them
[22:07] <AlanBell> I think the filters will strip out all the interesting stuff
[22:14] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know. The .pe files (?) create html files or something?
[22:14] <MrChrisDruif> I haven't played with it yet
[22:14] <AlanBell> .ep files
[22:15] <AlanBell> and the export filter I wrote creates html files, yes
[22:15] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[22:15] <AlanBell> just static HTML and images that can be put anywhere
[22:28] <MrChrisDruif> Can't it be converted to moinmoin?
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> Just curious...
[22:29] <AlanBell> then you have to upload each image one by one, and the transitions are not as smooth, and you don't get to see the storyboard of thumbnails
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> But have we got an area where we can upload the html-files to?
[22:34] <AlanBell> everyone has their favourite
[22:35] <AlanBell> vps, home server, people.ubuntu.com whatever
[22:35] <AlanBell> or email me a .ep file and I will put it up
[22:35] <MrChrisDruif> I mean for public viewing =)
[22:37] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> But can we upload the html to that page?
[22:38] <AlanBell> no
[22:39] <AlanBell> I tried, it sets the contenttype so you end up downloading an html file, it won't serve attachments
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> So what should we do for a solution?
[22:39] <AlanBell> solution to what problem?
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> Well, the public viewing of ideas =)
[22:40] <AlanBell> I don't get the problem
[22:40] <AlanBell> put your stuff up somewhere, link to it from that page
[22:42] <MrChrisDruif> I (for instance) don't know how to put it up somewhere where everyone can access it, but I know about linking with wiki
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> I even can think of the syntax needed to put those images on the wiki, maybe even with thumbnails
[22:43] <AlanBell> 22:35 < AlanBell> or email me a .ep file and I will put it up
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, true =)
[22:45] <AlanBell> I am sure the data can be put in the wiki, with effort (attaching files one by one)
[22:46] <AlanBell> but what I am after is an efficient workflow for doing GUI design
[22:47] <AlanBell> if we end up making it hard to do then the design team will go use balsamiq or something and not collaborate with the community on design
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> True, but I was thinking about the viewing part
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> But if you're okay with setting stuff up for people like me =)
[22:49] <AlanBell> basically it is trivial to update a design with ssh access to some web space
[22:50] <AlanBell> which just needs something running ubuntu and apache, or an account somewhere like people.ubuntu.com or people.canonical.com
[22:50] <popey> people.canonical.com is restricted
[22:51] <popey> AIUI
[22:51] <popey> so p.u.c makes more sense
[22:51] <imnichol> Doesn't people.ubuntu.com also require approval?
[22:51] <imnichol> How easy is it to get access to p.u.c?
[22:51] <imnichol> Or \\people, since my workplace uses an AD domain ;)
[22:52] <popey> sorry, i wasnt clear
[22:52] <popey> people.u.c. is only available to upload by ubuntu members
[22:53] <popey> people.c.c is only available to upload by canonical employees
[22:53] <popey> people.u.c is _readable_ by anyone
[22:53] <popey> people.c.c is restricted read I believe? you have to login via launchpad to view files?
[22:53] <imnichol> OH ok
[22:54] <imnichol> Thanks for the clarification
[22:54] <imnichol> But how hard is it to become an Ubuntu member?
[22:55] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[22:56] <popey> basically requires a sustained and significant contribution to the project
[22:56] <imnichol> I'm just curious what "sustained and significant" means
[22:57] <popey> in a nutshell, some months of doing 'stuff' valued by the project
[22:57] <imnichol> So a pretty vague definition?
[22:57] <popey> no, it's quite well defined ☺
[22:57] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, that Ubuntu Membership for ya =)
[22:57] <imnichol> hahah
[22:58]  * popey has been on the board who approves members
[22:58] <popey> for 2 years
[22:58] <imnichol> Nice.  Congrats dude
[22:58] <imnichol> Aren't you a mod as well?
[22:59] <popey> I'm not on the board anymore ☺
[22:59] <imnichol> Oh ok
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> There are 3 boards if I'm not mistaken
[22:59] <popey> there are
[23:00] <imnichol> Oh, by the way, what's the code to actually make an emoticon?
[23:01] <imnichol> I see that popey is doing it a lot, but MrChris and I don't seem to have ours turn into the picture
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> It's some AltGr combo I think
[23:01] <popey> I have an alias in my irc client that does it
[23:02] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh, that *would* be awesome
[23:03] <AlanBell> http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/oneiric.jpg
[23:03] <AlanBell> can people see that?
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> I can
[23:03]  * AlanBell sees no p.c.c auth requirement
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> Haha
[23:04] <imnichol> Ah I see
[23:04] <imnichol> Yeah I see it
[23:05] <AlanBell> popey: probably chmod o+r is needed
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; good going on the wiki pages I see =)
[23:06] <popey> ah my bad AlanBell I'm thinking of another machine at canonical
[23:06] <AlanBell> ok, no problem
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> I'll have my hand at that Pencil/Storyboard bogus. What did you guys (or at least AlanBell ) think about the suggestions for software on OMG?
[23:17] <AlanBell> http://media-explorer.org/ that one?
[23:19] <AlanBell> I have no opinion really
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, that was one. The others we've known about (xbmc, mythtv)


[02:00] <bluesabre> evening all
[02:01] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, notifying users seems like a friendly move
[02:13] <Unit193> bluesabre!  My good Xubuntu dev friend!
[02:13] <bluesabre> Unit193!
[02:14] <bluesabre> I'm going to bed... I'll chat with you tomorrow :D
[10:10] <bluesabre> Unit193: ol' buddy, ol' pal, good morning!
[10:11] <knome> fishy
[10:12] <bluesabre> :D
[10:17] <Unit193> Howdy.
[10:23] <bluesabre> Howdy.
[10:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: What's up, doc?
[10:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: not much, just bumming around on the internet
[10:30] <Unit193> At 6:30am on a Saturday, OK. :P
[13:18] <flocculant> done facebook and users list re 16.10 eol
[13:19] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - could you do the other 2 social things for us :)
[14:54] <knome> can do later when home
[15:31] <flocculant> ta
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[19:50] <knome> flocculant, tweeted
[19:50] <knome> need pleia2 to g+
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