[00:21] <james_w`> hi cjohnston
[00:22] <cjohnston> hey james_w`
[00:22] <cjohnston> Do you have access to the admin functionality of summit
[00:23] <cjohnston> another linaro session is causing breakage
[00:24] <james_w`> cjohnston, I do
[00:24] <james_w`> cjohnston, give me a clue where and I'll take a look
[00:25] <cjohnston> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/linaro-kernel/
[00:25] <cjohnston> monday at noon and wed at 1615
[00:25] <cjohnston> they are the same.. which is causing errors
[00:32] <james_w`> cjohnston, I don't see duplication there
[00:32] <james_w`> one is "part 3"
[00:34] <cjohnston> look at the url
[00:34] <cjohnston> for some reason the etherpad url on both is -3
[00:39] <james_w`> cjohnston, hmm, but the blueprint url isn't
[00:39] <james_w`> give me a few to investigate
[00:42] <cjohnston> ty
[00:57] <james_w`> cjohnston, fixed
[00:57] <cjohnston> yay
[00:57] <cjohnston> ty
[00:57] <cjohnston> AlanBell: ^
[08:35] <AlanBell> thanks
[10:31]  * popey chuckles at sabdfl expiring from ~ubuntumembers
[10:32] <popey> (I re-added him, I assume he still wants to be involved in the project ;)
[10:32] <Pendulum> haha
[11:05] <cjohnston> that is pretty good popey
[11:19] <jono> cjohnston, are you in Budapest?
[11:24] <cjohnston> jono: not until tonight. need something?
[11:25] <jono> cjohnston, nope, just curious
[11:25] <cjohnston> Ok. Hopefully will find everyone when we get there and grab a drink! :-)
[11:26] <cjohnston> 2 more flights.. yippie
[11:30] <cjohnston> mhall119: are you online yet
[12:53] <cjohnston> Anyone seen Daviey recently?
[12:54] <czajkowski> at a bar?
[12:55] <cjohnston> He may be at a bar..
[12:55] <cjohnston> I need a summit change made
[12:57] <james_w`> cjohnston, yo
[12:57] <james_w`> anything I can help with?
[12:57] <cjohnston> hey james_w`
[12:58] <cjohnston> I don't agree with the change that was made removing the etherpad from anything without a blueprint and think it should be changed to anything that isn't a private meeting... I think leaving it for plenary's would be nice for people who are participating remotely
[12:58] <james_w`> I can't get that change in to trunk, but I could deploy it
[12:58] <james_w`> I don't know if you want to check with him first though?
[12:58] <cjohnston> lol.. And I can get it into trunk.. lol
[12:59] <cjohnston> I don't know..
[12:59] <cjohnston> That's why I was wondering if anyone had seen him
[12:59] <cjohnston> I'll approve your code real quick
[13:00] <czajkowski> cjohnston: any idea who made the change and for what reason
[13:00] <cjohnston> Dave did
[13:00] <czajkowski> maybe he was told to?
[13:00] <cjohnston> I don't know.
[13:01] <cjohnston> james_w`: I don't have time to fiogure out the code either to make it work the way it should
[13:01] <cjohnston> or the way I think it should
[13:04] <james_w`> cjohnston, only private meetings shouldn't have it?
[13:04] <james_w`> e.g. roundtables should?
[13:05] <james_w`> sounds right to me
[13:06] <cjohnston> I think they should
[13:07] <james_w`> cjohnston, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/summit/pad-for-plenaries/+merge/60310
[13:07] <mhall119> cjohnston: ping
[13:07] <cjohnston> Private meetings shouldn't for obvious reasons... But I think allowing the etherpad on everything else would increase productivity, expecially with remote
[13:08] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'm in the hotel now, just had lunch
[13:08] <cjohnston> hey  mhall119
[13:08] <cjohnston> :-)
[13:08] <mhall119> is nigelb here yet?
[13:08] <cjohnston> I assume...
[13:08] <cjohnston> Haven't heard
[13:08] <cjohnston> He was supposed to arrive this morning sometime
[13:09] <cjohnston> mhall119: could you please review the pad-for-plenaries
[13:09] <james_w`> nigelb is here
[13:10] <cjohnston> james_w`: border is in
[13:10] <james_w`> \o/ thanks
[13:10] <cjohnston> np
[13:10] <cjohnston> That's funny that you can push live but not commit and I can commit but not push live
[13:11] <james_w`> yeah :-)
[13:13] <mhall119> pad for plenaries?
[13:13] <mhall119> do you hate IS or something?
[13:14] <cjohnston> lol
[13:14] <cjohnston> true
[13:14] <cjohnston> forgot about htat
[13:14] <james_w`> AlanBell, hi, do you run Mootbot-UK?
[13:14] <czajkowski> i think IS has a bad reputation which has improved a lot
[13:14] <cjohnston> but as nhandler stated last night, it allows people remote to keep up when video cuts out and such
[13:15] <cjohnston> well... there is only a single instance of etherpad.. its not a cluster
[13:16] <mhall119> i'm not worried about IS, I'm worried about 400 people trying to use the same pad
[13:17] <cjohnston> Although is 400 using the same pad different than 400 using 40 pads
[13:17] <mhall119> I don't see any problem with the code though, but I haven't tested it
[13:17] <mhall119> cjohnston: it might be, I'm not sure
[13:17] <cjohnston> I'm out.. plane is here..
[13:17] <cjohnston> Cya
[13:18] <mhall119> you're just now flying back?
[13:18] <mhall119> see you when you get here
[13:18]  * james_w` heads out for some lunch
[13:20] <mhall119> james_w`: I'll approve and land the plenary pad, but I'm not responsible for melted servers
[13:33] <popey> you could test 400 people on one pad by making a test pad and tweeting the url
[13:33] <popey> get all of us to retweet and ask in #ubuntu-offtopic and other places to test it
[13:33] <AlanBell> that server isn't ready
[13:36] <mhall119> AlanBell: is it going to be ready?
[13:37] <AlanBell> I could make it ready
[13:37] <AlanBell> the theme stuff is broken, but I have it on another server and it is equally broken so that is good
[13:38] <AlanBell> it really doesn't like switching from the default theme
[13:40] <mhall119> AlanBell: but it's functional, right?
[13:40] <AlanBell> I am putting together a minimal set of changes to fix it all
[13:45] <AlanBell> ok, I can fix this if I can talk to Daviey
[13:46] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:9000 totally works
[14:23] <AlanBell> Daviey: http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:9000/etherpadforuds
[16:04] <AlanBell> mhall119: are you in budapest?
[16:08] <mhall119> AlanBell: yes
[16:08] <AlanBell> any sign of Daviey?
[16:19] <nigelb> hello hello
[16:19] <nigelb> Daviey: Where are you?
[16:21]  * Pendulum notes that Daviey is rather popular
[16:21] <nigelb> heh
[16:23] <Pendulum> nigelb: I take it you have arrived safely?
[16:28] <nigelb> Pendulum: yes
[16:28] <nigelb> Pendulum: sitting next to hypatia and cheri :)
[16:30] <Pendulum> :)
[16:31]  * Pendulum waves
[16:31] <james_w`> is the "Hide talks that aren't for me" link broken for anyone else?
[16:33] <nigelb> james_w`: we're looking for Daviey to upload the gix
[16:33] <nigelb> *fix
[16:33] <james_w`> what's the fix?
[16:33] <nigelb> james_w`: heh, adding id=whoami to the href ;)
[16:33] <nigelb> mhall119: ^^
[16:34] <nigelb> mhall119: I think james_w` can help us deploy that
[16:34] <mhall119> if someone approves and lands it
[16:34] <mhall119> i can deploy if someone just tells me the process
[16:36] <james_w`> I can't land it sorry
[16:37] <nigelb> mhall119: there is a wiki page somewhere
[16:37] <nigelb> james_w`: like technically?
[16:37] <nigelb> or you just want someone else to land your fix
[16:38] <james_w`> I'm not in ~summit-hackers
[16:38] <james_w`> I can put the change on summit.ubuntu.com though
[16:39] <nigelb> AHHH
[16:39] <nigelb> Let me land it
[16:39] <nigelb> we'll fix the sumit-hackers problem
[16:49] <nigelb> james_w`: can you approve this? https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/hide-link-fix/+merge/60311
[16:49] <nigelb> I'll land it in
[16:49] <nigelb> I dont' want to land and approve something
[16:50] <james_w`> nigelb, nope
[16:50] <james_w`> I don't see a problem with landing + approving
[16:50] <nigelb> ahhh. okay
[16:50] <james_w`> mhall119, you and I all agree it is the right fix
[16:51] <mhall119> nigelb: it's approved, land it
[16:51] <mhall119> we've got more than 12 hours before UDS starts, we can be reckless ;)
[16:51] <nigelb> mhall119: You can escape to ISD hackathon
[16:52] <AlanBell> while you are approving and landing things . . .
[16:52] <nigelb> jcastro will strangle me
[16:52] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/summit/etherpad/+merge/60313
[16:52] <mhall119> james_w`: are you at the hotel?
[16:52] <james_w`> yep
[16:53] <mhall119> AlanBell: approved, nigelb can you land his too?
[16:53] <mhall119> I'll be down in the lobby area with the other ISD guys if  you need me
[16:53] <mhall119> in about 5 minutes anyway
[16:55] <AlanBell> thanks mhall119
[16:55] <nigelb> mhall119: okay
[16:55] <nigelb> james_w`: we should all meet!
[17:00] <james_w`> hide link fixed
[17:00] <james_w`> thanks all
[17:01] <nigelb> landed
[17:06] <AlanBell> so does that need a summit django restart or something?
[17:06] <nigelb> AlanBell: Ctrl + F5? :)
[17:09] <AlanBell> ah ok
[17:09] <AlanBell> the etherpad server is still being a bit nuts
[17:10] <nigelb> AlanBell: java...... 'nuff said
[17:12] <AlanBell> yeah, I think a restart or two would make it behave
[17:13] <mhall119> nigelb: where re you?
[17:14] <nigelb> mhall119:  cheri's and hypatia's room
[17:14] <nigelb> mhall119: charging laptop
[17:15] <IdleOne> no @im/at/uds/cloaks?
[17:16] <AlanBell> that is for unregistered people
[17:16] <IdleOne> I see
[17:16] <AlanBell> 16:14 [freenode] -!- mpt [~mpt@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-aaraanqfesfvjqbh] has joined #ubuntu-uds
[17:17] <AlanBell> for example
[17:17] <IdleOne> @conference/uds-o/x-randomletters would of been nicer
[17:18] <IdleOne> heh
[17:18] <AlanBell> it is just so the freenode protection stuff doesn't freak out at 400 connections from one IP address
[17:20] <mhall119> I'mm tunneled out over ssh, so I don't get a cloak
[17:20] <mhall119> james_w`: where are you?
[17:21] <nigelb> mhall119: where are you btw?
[17:21] <mhall119> I'm in the seating area inthe lobby
[17:21] <nigelb> ahh
[17:21] <mhall119> hurray or day-before summit deployments, and nothing even  broke!
[17:21] <mhall119> s/or/for/
[17:21] <nigelb> mhall119: \o/
[17:32] <mhall119> hajour is down here with me
[17:36] <mhall119> is pleia2 here yet?
[17:36] <nigelb> mhall119: nope, I was about to ask you
[19:39] <pleia2> am here now
[19:39] <pleia2> but so so tired :(
[19:48] <Pici> yay, boo
[19:51] <popey> yay pleia2
[20:04]  * AlanBell wonders if Daviey will be online later
[20:10] <mhall119> AlanBell: he's at a company get together atm
[20:10] <mhall119> it'll probably be a while before he's online
[20:11] <AlanBell> bother
[20:11] <mhall119> pleia2: welcome! where are you?
[20:11] <AlanBell> well great, the etherpad server is going to be a mess when 500 people hit it tomorrow morning then
[20:14] <pleia2> mhall119: getting ready for bed :)
[20:15] <mhall119> already? It's only noon your-local time isn't it?
[20:15] <pleia2> I have been awake for a million years
[20:15] <pleia2> noon without sleep saturday night!
[20:16] <Pendulum> pleia2: so you arrived safely?
[20:16] <pleia2> Pendulum: yes :)
[20:16] <pleia2> finally!
[20:17]  * Pendulum hugs pleia2
[20:17]  * pleia2 hugs
[20:21] <AlanBell> jcastro: if someone from IS with access to the etherpad server contacts me I can get it fixed, otherwise it will be a bit flakey, have the wrong theme and throw up occasional errors
[20:22] <AlanBell> jcastro: instructions are here, I just have nobody to follow them. http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:9000/etherpadforuds
[20:25] <mhall119> AlanBell: who in IS have you worked with on it?
[20:26] <jussi> YESSS!!
[20:26] <jussi> I got approved for not canonical :P
[20:27] <popey> \o/
[20:27] <popey> Welcome to the exclusive club.
[20:32] <jussi> :D
[21:00] <AlanBell> mhall119: elmo
[21:00] <AlanBell> I think elmo is in IS
[21:15] <mhall119> I think so, I'm not sure if he's at UDS
[21:52] <nigelb> mhall119: any news on ChanServ
[21:52] <nigelb> erm
[21:52] <nigelb> cjohnston:
[21:52] <nigelb> :P
[22:54] <AlanBell> 22:52 < cinerama> ok, i've just spoken with someone....my colleagues assure me that it'll get taken care of tomorrow morning
[23:42] <mhall119> nigelb: ChanServ is just fine
[23:42] <mhall119> cjohnston was without money for another beer when I left him, so his condition is questionalble
[23:42] <mhall119> I'm going to bed now, see you in the morning


[12:34] <ca> How do I enable Autologin in Xubuntu
[12:35] <gnrp> ca: Go on settings -> Users and Groups
[12:35] <gnrp> and then you can set that the password is not asked at login
[12:36] <gnrp> then you don't have a password
[12:36] <gnrp> and you need to edit the lightdm config in /etc/lightdm
[12:43] <ca> @gnrp what changes might I make please
[12:50] <ca> How do I enable Autologin in Xubuntu
[13:07] <xubuntu> hello?
[23:53] <m> hello


[00:00] <fta> i saw a cairo + fontconfig change reverting part of my patches from last year
[00:01] <asac> i probably didnt do that revert
[00:01] <fta> my last debdiff for cairo has been ignored by seb for weeks then someone else did it.. and broke it
[00:01] <asac> ask the merger who did it ;)
[00:01] <asac> hmm
[00:01] <fta> i don't have time, and i'm also sick of this
[00:03] <asac> i get hit hard by the "everyone can do everything" as well
[00:04] <asac> for instance they reintroduced libflashssupport in flashplugin-nonfree
[00:04] <asac> ;)
[00:04] <asac> as a depends
[00:08] <asac> did you post a merge bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/
[00:09] <asac> that probably would hav eprevented it. cjwatson did the merge ... not sure why, but apparently it failed to build against latest fontconfig
[00:09] <asac> if he touches that package there is a good reason almost certainly as he usually has no time at all
[00:10] <asac> and isnt really into cairo ;)
[00:13] <asac> fontconfig was quite a huge merge i guess
[00:14] <asac> things probably sank there
[00:48] <gnomefreak> asac: you asked if i had done the bugs yet and no i havent but will this week. i had problems to handle witha  good friend this weekend
[00:48] <gnomefreak> Volans: have they added out meeting to fridge yet?
[00:49] <Volans> gnomefreak: yeah! under the google calendar they use now and upon asac request also in the online fridge calendar
[00:49] <Volans>  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1595
[00:49] <Volans> perhaps we can add the link to the agenda... that is still empty
[00:50] <gnomefreak> i wilol do that when updates are done
[00:50] <Volans> I have added the date and time to this channel's topic and to the wiki pages (/Meetings and /Header)
[00:50] <gnomefreak> Volans: thanks
[00:51] <gnomefreak> just one meeting?
[00:51] <Volans> you spoke about the wiki or the fridge?
[00:52] <gnomefreak> wiki
[00:52] <gnomefreak> we cant add agenda to fridge
[00:52] <Jazzva> ok, i'm off. head hurts for some reason... See you tomorrow.
[00:52] <gnomefreak> nothing to do on wiki (from what i can tell
[00:52] <asac> gnomefreak: ok fine
[00:52] <gnomefreak> night Jazzva feel better
[00:52] <asac> Jazzva: cu
[00:52] <Jazzva> thanks :). night all.
[00:53] <Volans> gnomefreak: like this one http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1550
[00:53] <Volans> bye Jazzva
[00:53] <gnomefreak> we need agenda items for meeting or we can skip this one
[00:53] <asac> gnomefreak: we are on fridge
[00:53] <asac> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1595
[00:53] <gnomefreak> Volans: fridge editors have to do that
[00:53] <Volans> sure :) and we can also put on the wiki the next meetings if you want
[00:53] <gnomefreak> asac: im looking at it atm
[00:53] <asac> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2008/08/03
[00:54] <asac> gnomefreak: i pinged cody
[00:54] <gnomefreak> i was looking into joining fridge editors but never got anything good
[00:54] <gnomefreak> asac: i pinged cody all week
[00:54] <asac> he said they switched to google calendar which wasnt integrated in website yet
[00:54] <gnomefreak> he kept putting it off for updates to fridge
[00:54] <asac> i asked him to add us to the old calendar too now ;)
[00:54] <asac> hmm
[00:54] <Volans> asac: we can only ask cody to add the link to the agenda, like this one http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1550 ;)
[00:54] <gnomefreak> why did they change to use google calendar?
[00:54] <Volans> and put something in the agenda
[00:55] <gnomefreak> Volans: i have 1 item on agenda
[00:55] <asac> gnomefreak: he didnt suggest to do that until i explicitly damanded it ;)
[00:55] <gnomefreak> thats the only one there
[00:55] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure why google. most likely its more comfortable
[00:55] <asac> gnomefreak: http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=amNzaXFybXAyaHIxZ25qcDg5bWY2NmR2cDQgajVxODVtbWk2dWp2anRpaTVzMW4zbGk1aW9AZw&ctz=Etc/GMT
[00:55] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah he hasnt changed. he was run off the ops for main channels and other things for being well him
[00:56] <asac> but its currently not linked from website at all ;)
[00:56] <asac> aha
[00:56] <asac> interesting
[00:56] <gnomefreak> well since your good at it demand him to add it ;)
[00:56] <asac> he is somewhat engaged in xubuntu quite a bit
[00:56] <gnomefreak> asac: that is recent
[00:56] <asac> gnomefreak: the wiki link?
[00:56] <asac> yeah. but not today
[00:56] <gnomefreak> like 2 months ago
[00:57] <asac> i am bailing out. eyes keep closing
[00:57] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah the agenda wiki link
[00:57] <asac> tiredness finally beats me ;)
[00:57] <gnomefreak> asac: thats fine have a good night
[00:57] <asac> thanks
[00:57] <asac> 'night all
[00:57] <gnomefreak> im here cleaning up before 8
[00:57] <asac> 8 EDT?
[00:58]  * asac off
[00:58] <gnomefreak> yeah
[01:01] <gnomefreak> can you use ical with google calendar?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> awway is going up but ill be here some of the time
[01:03] <Volans> never tried
[01:13] <Volans> now I go... bye bye
[01:41] <gnomefreak> anyone still up?
[01:46]  * Kamping_Kaiser fwiw
[01:49] <gnomefreak> cant open .so file :(
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[09:24] <asac> hmm
[09:42] <asac> darn. that happens if you dont get NEW mails anymore. xul and ffox was stuck in binary new because of xulrunner-dev package
[09:52] <asac> gnomefreak: hurry ;)
[09:52]  * gnomefreak is the only person that tries to view a binary file :(
[09:52] <asac> we have 900 bugs open against ffox 3 :(
[09:52] <gnomefreak> asac: morning
[09:52] <asac> we must not reach 1k ;)
[09:52] <gnomefreak> thats not bad
[09:52] <asac> that would mean defeat :-D
[09:52] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:52] <asac> and surrender :(
[09:52] <gnomefreak> i have a few things to work on today bugs is one of them
[09:53] <gnomefreak> ill push ruby aside
[09:53] <gnomefreak> 900 bugs in total
[09:53] <gnomefreak> ?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[09:55] <gnomefreak> asac: why would someone need to renew memebership to a team that membership doesnt expire?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> ok wtf
[09:56] <gnomefreak> mozillateam (the whole team) is about to expire too :(
[09:56] <gnomefreak> ok first thing after email is that
[09:57] <asac> gnomefreak: he?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> oh im gonna hurt someone
[09:57] <asac> where is mozillateam expiring?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> On 2008-07-27, six days from now, the membership
[09:57] <gnomefreak> of Mozilla Team (mozillateam) (which you are
[09:57] <gnomefreak> the owner of) in the Ubuntu-MozillaSquad (ubuntu-mozillasquad) Launchpad team
[09:57] <gnomefreak> is due to expire.
[09:57] <asac> gnomefreak: ah
[09:58] <asac> well ... maybe we set that membership auto expires in that team?
[09:58] <asac> gnomefreak: isnt mozillateam the owner of squad?
[09:58] <gnomefreak> talking to LP about it. i atelast asked if awake
[09:58] <asac> then i think we dont need to bother ;)
[09:58] <gnomefreak> a month?
[09:58] <gnomefreak> Membership renewed until 2008-08-26.
[09:58] <asac> yeah .... strange
[09:58] <asac> hmm
[09:59] <asac> gnomefreak: err. all expire in a month
[09:59] <asac> thats bad ;)
[09:59] <asac> gnomefreak: can you fix that squad doesnt have that a tight expiry window?
[09:59] <gnomefreak> yeah i need to speak to Lp since that is the first time
[09:59] <gnomefreak> im working on it
[10:00] <asac> ok
[10:00] <asac> but in the end its an open team, so people can always renew on their own
[10:00] <asac> still wierd
[10:00] <gnomefreak> do you have link to squad?
[10:01] <gnomefreak> we lose the team if it expires
[10:01] <gnomefreak> than jump through hoops to get it back
[10:03] <gnomefreak> asac: can i use reply when getting a upstream mozilla bug?
[10:03] <gnomefreak> or do i need to open the page and comment
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook
[10:06] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/NormalizedBugFormat
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: no mozilla bugs can only be edited in webpage
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont think we loose the team as mozillateam itself is owner
[10:07] <asac> just let it go
[10:07] <asac> ;)
[10:07] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozillasquad
[10:07] <gnomefreak> asac: we wont now that i already renewed
[10:08] <asac> k
[10:08] <asac> gnomefreak: and what about all the members?
[10:09] <gnomefreak> asac: i have to talk to lp admin to make sure of anything atm
[10:10] <gnomefreak> got someone that is trying to push bzr brznch but he never commited im sure he wissed all steps inbetweem too
[10:10] <asac> gnomefreak: who?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> ok why all those links?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> lut4rp
[10:11] <asac> gnomefreak: those links are the revised bug procedure for New, incomplete and confirmed states
[10:11] <asac> so if you process bugs maybe try to apply that and tell me if there are things missing
[10:11] <gnomefreak> k
[10:11] <asac> gnomefreak: the idea is to bring bugs in the "normalized form" so we can forward them
[10:12] <gnomefreak> you didnt happen to work on the responses page ;)
[10:14] <gnomefreak> asac: ok honestly there has to be a setting in about:preferences to make browser open images in another app
[10:14] <gnomefreak> is there?
[10:14] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm
[10:14] <asac> gnomefreak: about:config you mean ;)
[10:14] <asac> gnomefreak: well. i think you might be able to do that in the preferences -> applications dialog
[10:14] <gnomefreak> yeah that
[10:15] <gnomefreak> asac: i didnt see anything but i had looks 2 hours before i even saw this bug
[10:15] <asac> gnomefreak: can you set the "meeting schedule thing" on roadmap to "DONE" ?
[10:17] <gnomefreak> yeah ill clean that up
[10:17] <asac> isnt "Document redirection procedure to mozillateam-community on mozillateam membership page" done too?
[10:18] <gnomefreak> no setting in system > pref > prefered applications
[10:18] <gnomefreak> huh?
[10:19] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm
[10:19] <gnomefreak> we used squad for the team not community
[10:19] <asac> you can probably set it to firefox again. just curious ow that might have been emptied
[10:19] <asac> yeah
[10:19] <asac> i think community was just a "word" for it as we didnt have any final name yet
[10:22] <asac> gnomefreak: EDT what timezone is that?
[10:22] <asac> @time America/Boston
[10:22] <asac> @time America/Chicago
[10:22] <asac> is that EDT?
[10:23] <gnomefreak> could be i think chitown is an hour ahead of me
[10:23] <gnomefreak> but not sure
[10:23] <gnomefreak> @now chicago
[10:24] <gnomefreak> hour behind me
[10:27] <asac> EDT is UTC - 4
[10:28] <asac> from what i found on the net
[10:34] <Jazzva> @now newyork
[10:34] <Jazzva> @now new_york
[10:34] <Jazzva> asac ^
[10:34] <asac> yeah probably thats it
[10:34] <Jazzva> that is eastern time, I think
[10:35] <asac> in the end I dont understand why people ask me for appointments in UTC :/
[10:35] <asac> err, in EDT :-D
[10:36] <asac> most likely americans think the world has agreed on EDT;)
[10:36] <Jazzva> people should learn the offset of their time zone :)
[10:36] <asac> Jazzva: yeah ;) ... i guess they know, but assumed I'd know too
[10:36] <Jazzva> hehe :)
[10:37] <gnomefreak> god i hate LP
[10:37] <gnomefreak> how many teams do we have and what are thier links please :(
[10:37] <asac> squad
[10:37] <asac> extension team
[10:37] <Jazzva> Regarding extensions licensing... Sage-Too (which is developed from Sage by another team) is missing license information in the xpi file. I e-mailed the developer and he sent me in a mail that we can apply GPL as the license... Is that ok?
[10:37] <asac> the mozillateam
[10:37] <gnomefreak> extension team and bugs team
[10:37] <gnomefreak> those 2 i need to look at
[10:38] <asac> Jazzva: will he add that license to the .xpi?
[10:38] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, extensions is ~mozilla-extensions-dev
[10:38] <asac> Jazzva: did he say which version ?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> i just need the mozilla bugs link
[10:38] <asac> suggest to him GPLv3 or later ;)
[10:38] <Jazzva> asac, I was thinking of asking him that... to just place it in COPYING
[10:38] <gnomefreak> that was done correctly
[10:39] <gnomefreak> asac: in about:config is there a setting for the way browser opens images?
[10:39] <asac> Jazzva: well. tell him that it would work that way, but in the end he should publish a licensed .xpi ... or at least a source ball
[10:39] <Jazzva> asac, here is the quote "you are welcome to apply the GPL as per http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.txt "
[10:39] <asac> to avoid confusion
[10:39] <Jazzva> that points to gpl 3 ;)
[10:40] <asac> ok. and (or any later version) ?
[10:41] <Jazzva> asac, that's mentioned in the license. "either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version."
[10:41] <asac> Jazzva: where? afaict its just in the section that describes the options you have for licensing with gpl 3
[10:42] <asac> Jazzva: he has at least to put one sentence somewhere: "licensed under GPL v3 or any later version"
[10:42] <asac> Jazzva: is there a source tarball available out there?
[10:42] <asac> or svn with a license?
[10:42] <Jazzva> no. that's the trouble.
[10:42] <Jazzva> it just has xpi
[10:43] <Jazzva> so... COPYING is used for the text of the license... and what is used for licensing info?
[10:44] <Jazzva> or, he can place that notice in COPYING, before the text of the license?
[10:45] <asac> Jazzva: he could place that info on top of the file yes.
[10:45] <Jazzva> Good... thanks
[10:46] <asac> Jazzva: he should just post the example header on top of that file:
[10:46] <asac> Jazzva: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28947/
[10:47] <Jazzva> Ok...
[10:47] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28948/
[10:53] <gnomefreak> [reed]: when you awaken can you ping me i would like to know how long it takes before i can go up a level in mozilla bug tracker (mark dupes) is the main thing im thinking
[10:54] <gnomefreak> asac: in about:config what would i search for to findout if there is a setting to open images in gnome viewer app i guess its not eye of gnome
[10:57] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, I'm not sure if it's in about:config, but can't you set that in Edit->Preferences->Programs?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: no
[10:58] <gnomefreak> just accesiblity
[10:58] <gnomefreak> orka and such
[10:58] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, that's funny. I can select what program to use to open jpegs...
[10:59] <gnomefreak> in system >preferences > perferd apps?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> prefered apps
[10:59] <Jazzva> no... in Firefox->Edit menu-> ...
[11:00] <gnomefreak> i didnt get chance for menu
[11:00] <asac> gnomefreak: in the firefox application you can configure that in the preferences -> APPLICATIONS  dialog ;)
[11:00] <gnomefreak> yeah that is what i told him
[11:01] <Jazzva> heh... my system is localised... that's why I translated as "programs" :)
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: anyway to set gnome viewer in our builds or does this have to be done upstream?
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: there is no sense in doing that by default
[11:01] <asac> ffox can display images on its own
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: you said there was
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: its not
[11:01] <gnomefreak> hold on
[11:02] <asac> if ffox couldnt display images we would have more bugs most likely
[11:02] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, did you set the expiration period for mozillasquad members to 1 month? Can we extend that to unlimited time :)?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> damn i dont see the bug report for LP in email
[11:02] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: its fixed
[11:02] <gnomefreak> and yes
[11:03] <Jazzva> ah, sorry. Maybe it doesn't apply automatically to the old members...
[11:03] <gnomefreak> bug 250228
[11:04] <gnomefreak> thats not it
[11:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[11:04] <gnomefreak> bug 195105
[11:04] <gnomefreak> asac: thats the bug
[11:05] <Jazzva> ok, i'll go through the memberships in mozillasquad and set them to don't expire...
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: wontfix ... send him to brainstorm ;)
[11:06] <gnomefreak> he filed it upstream
[11:06] <gnomefreak> i cant close upstream
[11:06] <gnomefreak> another option i would like to have
[11:07] <asac> if he already filed i upstream, then set it to triaged
[11:07]  * asac  does that now
[11:08] <gnomefreak> couldnt tell me that 10 seconds ago?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> although look at upstream bug
[11:12] <gnomefreak> asac: you didnt change it?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> asac: what format is used on mozillas bug tracker for links like to add link to upstream bug to LP bug
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back dog came in and wanted to speand time with me since my fathers g/f left and she left "HER" dog
[11:20] <asac> gnomefreak: the idea is that our summary/description matches upstream format
[11:20] <asac> thats why i did that "Normalized" format .... to forward easily/comparable
[11:26] <gnomefreak> asac: doesnt matter i cant change upstreams and the same person filed it. if you want our bug opened you can do that?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Steps to reproduce crash (optional):  that should NOT be optional
[11:27] <gnomefreak> since not all back traces/crash reports have the info we need
[11:28] <gnomefreak> The summary must read "<APPLICATION> crash in @topmost_function_in_backtrace", e.g. "firefox crash in @nsDocLoader::ReadAll"   << users dont have a clue what they are doing here
[11:30] <gnomefreak> otherwise looks good. we should really talk about tags on these pages if we are going to keep using them
[11:30] <gnomefreak> if you look at the tags post from me to mailing list it should give you some idea on where i stand
[11:32] <gnomefreak> asac: xulrunner update but no firefox update?
[11:32] <asac> gnomefreak: ffox had to wait for xul
[11:33] <gnomefreak> oh i thought you could push same time
[11:33] <asac> gnomefreak: well.. i pushed same time, but the build needed the xul binary for the jemalloc thing
[11:33] <gnomefreak> sweet i only have a list of 72 bugs
[11:33] <asac> so it was in state WAITDEPEND
[11:33] <asac> and probalby needs one publisher cycle more to reach you
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:34] <gnomefreak> yeah hour or 2
[11:34] <gnomefreak> iirc publlishes every hour
[11:34]  * gnomefreak will start on "new" bugs than work on another status
[11:36] <gnomefreak> what package are we using for ff2 in bugs? firefox or firefox-2?
[11:36] <asac> firefox
[11:37] <asac> (e.g. the source package is used in lp)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> ah we should really migrate ff3 to use ff when ff2 reaches EOS
[11:40] <gnomefreak> asac: what version is edgys ff-2?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> !info firefox-2 edgy
[11:40] <gnomefreak> yes it is
[11:44] <asac> gnomefreak: edgy is EOL
[11:44] <asac> we support dapper, feisty, gutsy, ...
[11:44] <asac> users should upgrade to at least feisty
[11:44] <gnomefreak> asac: 18  months
[11:44] <gnomefreak> that would bring it to 9.04
[11:45] <gnomefreak> 7.10 is edgy right?
[11:46] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[11:46] <asac> 7.19 is gutsy
[11:46] <asac> err 7.10
[11:46] <gnomefreak> 6.10 is edgy
[11:46] <asac> 7.04 is feisty
[11:46] <gnomefreak> gutsy is 7.10
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i had a brain fart
[11:46] <asac> 6.10 is edgy
[11:46] <asac> yeah
[11:47] <asac> its EOL since april or so
[11:55] <gnomefreak> ummmmmmmm uh hmmmmmmmmm if you create another user for gnome does it carry over the video card drivers?
[12:02] <asac> drivers yare system wide
[12:02] <asac> not per-user
[12:03] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:04] <gnomefreak> thisis strange
[12:08] <asac> gnomefreak: why?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> his new usrer he made ff doesnt use default resolution and opens way too big for screen
[12:11] <gnomefreak> asac https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/209499
[12:14] <asac> bring to normalized form (should be easy) and search for upstream bug
[12:15] <asac> its firefox-3.0 most likely?
[12:15] <asac> reassign ;)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> he said 2
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i think
[12:21]  * gnomefreak not likely to look upstream today i want us cleared out some first
[12:22] <gnomefreak> The bug supervisor for firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) has been subscribed to this bug.  lol i guess this is us
[12:22] <gnomefreak> asac: what setting do i change in about:config to make ff stop taking focus all the damn time
[12:28] <gnomefreak> asac: please change firefox-3.0.1 addons dialog back to the way it was in 3.0
[12:29] <gnomefreak> its mising install option
[12:31] <gnomefreak> what is the tinylink extension called?
[12:32] <asac> i dont think there is a setting to prevent focus
[12:32] <asac> but not sure
[12:32] <asac> install option?
[12:33] <asac> you can install extensions in the "Get Add-Ons" tab
[12:34] <gnomefreak> no
[12:34] <gnomefreak> well yeah but only ours
[12:35] <gnomefreak> asac: there is a setting tog et ff to not open on top of all other windows but i cant remember the name of it
[12:35] <gnomefreak> to get
[12:40] <gnomefreak> oh wtf i know its out there i fucking had it installed
[12:46] <gnomefreak> im guessing we didnt package tinyurl
[13:28] <asac> wow ... my ssh session survived half an hour NM bustage ;)
[13:28] <asac> ok lunch time i say
[16:13] <[reed]> gnomefreak: you want access to mark a bug as a dupe?
[16:14] <gnomefreak> [reed]: ill have to get back to you later, im having issues at home
[16:14] <[reed]> k
[16:14] <gnomefreak> thanks
[16:50] <sparr> originally asked in #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, and #ubuntu-bugs, sent here as a last resort before filing a bug.  firefox version 3.0 depends on firefox-3.0 when it should (i think) depend on firefox-3.0 version 3.0, should i report that as a bug?
[16:57] <asac> sparr: whats wrong with the current state?
[16:58] <sparr> when i upgraded from firefox 3.0b5 to firefox 3.0, it did nothing, my firefox-3.0 (the real package) remained at version 3.0b5
[17:03] <sparr> i can imagine that being rather confusing for someone not savvy to the details of the packaging system
[17:03] <asac> sparr: is that a problem? just apt-get upgrade should usually upgrade you to latest
[17:03] <sparr> yes, it would, but that's not the scenario i am in
[17:04] <sparr> i have many older packages.  i upgraded firefox by itself
[17:04] <asac> sparr: someone not savvy to the packaging system would probably just upgrade to latest
[17:04] <asac> saivann: depends should only take care that nothing breaks when you indivually upgrade packages
[17:05] <asac> since firefox is just a meta package i dont see that we need to tighten depends there
[17:05] <asac> but i will think about it
[17:05] <fretchen> hello, I am not sure if i am right here for this question. I want to build sunbird 0.8/trunk from source on a hardy heron. I installed all existing dependencies for the 0.7 source-package.  I always get an error "undefined reference to XRenderFindStandardFormat". I turned on the --enable-system-cairo , otherwise I get an error about an undefined cairo font.
[17:05] <asac> just dont see the big point right now ;)
[17:05] <sparr> i doubt im the only person in this situation
[17:05] <sparr> just that it only rarely matters
[17:06] <asac> fretchen: use our packaging
[17:06] <asac> fretchen: feel free to help get a sunbird-0.x.dev branch started that gets regular updated to track latest development
[17:07] <fretchen> asac : for the 0.8 on hardy heron ?
[17:07] <asac> fretchen: the vision is to have a branch one can use to get a recent 0.x snapshot yes
[17:08] <asac> fretchen: if you dont want to contribute, look in the debian/patches directory. we probably have a patch in there to build this
[17:08] <asac> on modern gcc
[17:08] <asac> err cairo ;)
[17:08] <fretchen> asac : I am interested in this one, the only question . What do you mean with branch etc ?
[17:09] <asac> fretchen: we maintain our packaging in bzr branches (like svn)
[17:09] <asac> mozillateam branches are http://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[17:10] <asac> fretchen:  the idea is to create a branch ubuntu-0.x.head which you start based on the https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x branch
[17:13] <fretchen> asac : so I pull this branch, I try to merge it with the actual 0.x branch from mozilla and try to push it as 0.x.head ?
[17:14] <fretchen> ( sry for all those questions, but I am totally new to the hole packaging process )
[17:16] <asac> fretchen: our branches are not full sources for various reasons. we only have the debian/ directory in there
[17:17] <asac> fretchen: so what you do is:
[17:17] <asac> 1. branch the current ubuntu-0.x branch
[17:17] <asac> 2. bump changelog to the version you want to package:
[17:17] <asac>   .e.g dch -v0.8~cvs20080507t1256-0ubuntu1 -DUNRELEASED
[17:18] <asac> leave that changelog quite empty and commit
[17:18] <asac> as :
[17:18] <asac> "* open tree for 0.8 snapshot DATE here"
[17:19] <asac> 3. next to the branch directory you make a "tarballs" directory and put the snapshot that corresponds to the date you gave in changelog above
[17:19] <asac> (the orig.tar.gz)
[17:19] <asac> 4. you build the branch by bzr builddeb --merge --dont-purge
[17:19] <asac> (you need bzr and bzr-builddeb package installed)
[17:19] <asac> if that succeeds you push the branch to bzr
[17:19] <asac> in launchpad
[17:19] <asac> if not you fix and push then ;)
[17:20] <asac> 5. done ;)
[17:20] <fretchen> and I push it where ?
[17:21] <fretchen> my own ppa ?
[17:22] <asac> fretchen: for now you just push the branch to your private account (not the package)
[17:22] <asac> i will review and push it to the ~mozillateam space
[17:23] <asac> fretchen: e.g. bzr push lp:~fretchen/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x.head
[17:23] <asac> (i assume that your launchpad id is fretchen)
[17:23] <asac> fretchen: once you did a few updates we go ahead and add you to mozillateam so you can push directly
[17:24] <fretchen> asac : at first i'll try number 1-5 after this we will see :D
[17:24] <asac> fretchen: yeah ;)
[17:24] <asac> you rock!
[17:24] <asac> sunbird is much neglected as i usually do it whenever i have time left ;)
[17:25] <fretchen> it's the only product of mozilla i started to develop on, and it sucks to develop, but to be unabled to build
[17:26] <asac> fretchen: yes. our patches should help there
[17:26] <fretchen> thx, I'll ask when I got forwards
[17:27] <asac> cool
[17:54] <fretchen> asac : what do I want to say with this line ? dch -v0.8~cvs20080507t1256-0ubuntu1 -DUNRELEASED  I didn't find anything like this in the changlog
[17:55] <asac> fretchen: you should run that on the command line
[17:55] <asac> that will create a new changelog entry with the given version and the UNRELEASED distribution as target
[17:55] <asac> and with you and your email properly set and time etc.
[17:55] <asac> :)
[17:56] <fretchen> thx
[18:47] <fretchen> asac : I loaded the cvs for the calendar and packed the mozilla directory (not the cvslog) into tarballs/lightning... . But now I get the error:  A Debian packaging error occured: Could not find upstream tarball at ... (the file exists)
[18:48] <fretchen> or does I have to add this directory at first ?
[18:51] <asac> fretchen: you need to choosed the right name
[18:51] <asac> it has to end with .orig.tar.gz
[18:51] <asac> fretchen: look at how the current lightning-sunbird tarball is layouted
[18:51] <asac> and copy that
[18:51] <asac> you need to put that tarball in a directory called "tarballs" next to the branch
[19:07] <fretchen> asac : thx this was the problem. Do I install all the dependences from hand or is there a fancy tool, that checks for me if the package is build with the defined dependencies ?
[19:08] <asac> fretchen: to install build-deps for packages that are in the archive you run:
[19:08] <asac> sudo apt-get build-dep packagename
[19:09] <asac> those might not be enough for latest trunk ... but thats why we want to build snapshots to figure that out _before_ release ;)
[19:09] <asac> usually they are a good start
[19:11] <fretchen> yeah, sounds logical
[19:38] <Jazzva> asac, Readme.txt can contain license too?
[19:44] <fretchen> asac : What can I do here ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29058
[20:10] <asac> Jazzva: yes
[20:10] <asac> Jazzva: not perfect but any document that clearly states that all thef iles are licensed like this or that would be good
[20:11] <asac> fretchen: i think your orig.tar.gz layout is not right
[20:11] <asac> fretchen: look what the tarball in current archive has
[20:11] <asac> maybe its an embedded tarball layout (e.g. a bz2 in a orig.tar.gz)
[20:13] <Jazzva> asac, ok. Then sage-too's license is sorted out :)
[20:13] <Jazzva> the developer updated to 1.0.1 with license inside :)
[20:26] <asac> Jazzva: rock
[20:40] <fretchen> asac : if a patch seems to obsolete I delete it and note it somewhere ?
[21:22] <fretchen> asac : sry, my connection is extremly instable
[21:24] <fretchen> asac it would be really really great if you could answer my last question, how to process with obsolete patches in a mail, otherwise i will have big probs to get your answer.
[21:34] <Jazzva> wow, this is bad: Unless otherwise stated within any of the files included in the Sage-Too distribution, the authors retain no copyright and reserve no rights.
[21:35] <Jazzva> and then comes the part that says the program is published under gpl 3
[21:36] <Jazzva> Is this right? Can someone say that they claim no rights over program, and that the program is published under gpl3?
[22:19] <Jazzva> asac, med-xpi-pack should ignore if XPI file already exists. It breaks the build if med-xpi-pack checks for xpi file.
[22:22] <asac> Jazzva: yeah
[22:22] <Jazzva> wow... from xpi file to packaged extension in ~25 minutes. mozilla-devscripts rock :)
[22:22] <asac> can yo ufix that?
[22:22] <Jazzva> yep... I'll just remove that part and push it
[22:49] <asac> Jazzva: in case there are things in the intrepid sponsoring queue i failed to spot feel free to prod me so i upload ;)
[22:50] <Jazzva> asac, for extensions?
[22:50] <asac> yeah
[22:50] <asac> you have anything else that needs to be uploaded?
[22:50] <Jazzva> not atm... I think.
[22:50] <Jazzva> I'm waiting for sage-too developer to reply me regarding putting them as copyright holders
[22:51] <Jazzva> but there will be... I'm planning to see which of my extensions has updates and to update them
[22:52] <Jazzva> I just noticed livehttpheaders, foxyproxy, and ctxextensions are still waiting
[22:53] <Jazzva> But I would like to add med-xpi-pack to their debian/ dirs, so I can cleanup the rules file and to be ready when we start using med-xpi-unpack/pack
[22:55] <asac> Jazzva: are those finished?
[22:55] <asac> (waiting)
[22:56] <Jazzva> not quite sure. I think they were, but then I found out we're not merging extensions from Debian. I would like to recheck them.
[22:57] <asac> i am a bit confused. i dont see bugs about them in firefox-extensions project
[22:57] <asac> how should we know?
[22:57] <asac> did they ask for merging to the .ubuntu ubuntu-dev branch?
[22:58] <asac> ok flashblock backport is missing
[22:58] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu
[22:58] <asac> request for merging
[22:58] <asac> is pending
[22:58] <Jazzva> bugs for extensions I updated? Well, they're filed against their projects...
[22:58] <asac> hmm
[22:59] <Jazzva> Maybe we should add to the Packaging page that all extensions' sponsor bugs should be filed agains firefox-extensions?
[22:59] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/foxyproxy.ubuntu
[22:59] <asac> there is no merge request
[22:59] <asac> only a fix released bu
[22:59] <asac> g
[23:00] <Jazzva> hmm... maybe i still haven't linked that one. I probably wasn't sure if i need to clean it up...
[23:00] <Jazzva> yep... I still haven't linked it. bug 241669
[23:01] <asac> ok
[23:01] <Jazzva> asac, let me clean it up tonight, and I'll ping you :)
[23:01] <asac> ok for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/mozilla-ctxextensions.ubuntu there is a merge request
[23:02] <Jazzva> Yeah, I remember that. Just give me a second
[23:02] <asac> somehow we lack a search facility to find branches that have a merge request pending
[23:02] <asac> i mean in launchpad
[23:02] <Jazzva> I would like to clean it up and use med-xpi-pack :)
[23:11] <asac> Jazzva: if you see any ubuntu-dev branch that is not mature let me know
[23:12] <asac> i would love to see just release branches when looking at that long list ;)
[23:12] <Jazzva> ubuntu-dev branch for extensions? or att all?
[23:12] <asac> ubuntu-dev branch is the release branch from where auto uploads happen ;)
[23:13] <asac> i see that you have a mature branch as well ;)
[23:13] <Jazzva> right... but there are ubuntu-dev branches that are not for extensions, right :)?
[23:13] <asac> ctxextensions
[23:13] <Jazzva> it's being worked on now :)
[23:13] <asac> Jazzva: definitly ... thats why i need to be able to filter for "mature" in the firefox-extensions project
[23:13] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions?field.lifecycle=MATURE
[23:13] <asac> we dont have anything better to get a good list
[23:14] <Jazzva> ah... so I need to set it either to Development or Merged?
[23:15] <Jazzva> and Mature only when it's ready for merging?
[23:15] <asac> Jazzva: if its merged, "merged" would be the right thing i guess
[23:15] <asac> if its still proposed just use development
[23:16] <Jazzva> ok.
[23:16] <asac> Jazzva: hmm. not sure. maybe not a bad idea to set it to mature when its ready for merging
[23:16] <asac> however, i dont want to rely on contributors to remember to set it to merged in order to make it disappear
[23:16] <asac> not sure
[23:16] <asac> the launchpad page could be improved i guess ;)
[23:17] <Jazzva> hmm
[23:17] <Jazzva> auto-set to Merged when a commit is pushed with description "RELEASE something to dist"?
[23:18] <asac> we cannot easily set the branch state to "merged" unless we ask contributors to use the ~mozilla-extensions-dev team code area
[23:18] <asac> maybe that makes sense in the end
[23:18] <asac> e.g. put your proposed branches to the med team  ;)
[23:19] <Jazzva> hmm... i thought if that can be implemented in LP... but maybe it's not worth it, as this might be an isolated case
[23:19] <Jazzva> asac, that's also good. And we can receive e-mail notices, so we can see when new branches are ready
[23:19] <asac> well. i think launchpad should get a indicator that a branch has "proposed merges"
[23:19] <asac> then i dont care what state the other hsa
[23:20] <asac> if i can also constrained a project list by "owner team" then i would be totally happy ;)
[23:20] <Jazzva> "a project lit by owner team"?
[23:22] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions/ - thats the projet list ;)
[23:22] <asac> i cannot filter "just ubuntu-dev" there
[23:23] <asac> if i go to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev
[23:23] <asac> i cannot filter by firefox-extensions ;)
[23:23] <asac> so i cannot filter by owner team AND project ;)
[23:23] <asac> at least the latter page can be sorted by project ;)
[23:24] <asac> ha ... i can filter the firefox-extensions page by "registrants"
[23:24] <asac> thats ok
[23:25] <Jazzva> aha, I see...
[23:25] <asac> still having the ability to set most contribution branches to "hidden" aka "merged" would be fine
[23:25] <asac> so encouraging the ~mozilla-extensions-dev team as registrant for such branches makes sense ;)
[23:26] <Jazzva> Hm. Ok, but we can keep 1 extensions needed rule :)...
[23:26] <Jazzva> just not to give access to med to everyone. It has some risk...
[23:26] <asac> right
[23:27] <asac> i think we shouldnt try to workaround launchpad problems too much. so lets keep it as it is


[00:11]  * Eickmeyer is upgrading to eoan
 👍
 i got busy sorry for not replying sooner
 @EIch
 there is a 'poke' :P
[00:47] <teward> Eickmeyer: ^
[00:47] <teward> (Telegram is annoying sometimes)
[00:48] <Eickmeyer> teward: I saw the "sizable bribe of coffee". Would you like that in bean form, pre-ground, or are we talking brewed?
[00:48]  * Eickmeyer lives in what could be considered the coffee capital of America
[00:49] <teward> lol
[00:49] <teward> that was me just stating I'm a consistent caffeine addict :P
[00:49] <teward> which is not news to ANYONE in the Ubuntu world
[00:49] <teward> sarnold can confirm that :p
[00:49] <teward> Eickmeyer: but yes, i told you i'd prod, I'm prodding
[00:49] <teward> Thou hast unleashed The Beast.  :P
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> Hehehehehe!
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> The Coffee Cracken
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> Koffee Kracken?
[00:51] <Eickmeyer> Either one will get misspelt for alliteration reasons.
 heh
[02:08] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: IMO, we can't support custom pulse configs. I think they're trying to call us out on something. If they know so much about pulse, they should've been able to figure it out themselves.
[02:08] <OvenWerks> I think he has copied a recipe from somewhere.
[02:09] <Eickmeyer> And then claimed to have a deep understanding of pulse.
 @azbulutlu I did an evil and poked Canonical IS and Eickmeyer was talking with them :)
 (so things're being poked now)
 i'll let @Eickmeyer explain the rest.
 *disappearifies to go find another drink*
 @teward001 She's asleep, likely. 5:12AM her time.
 i know, but they'll see the heads up later ;)
 i'm headed off myself i'm dead tired... and slightly drunk.
 so :)
[03:01] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: BTW, I did learn from all this pulse stuff that it looks like bluetooth is separate from udev
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That does explain the BT audio with Jack issue people have.
[03:03] <OvenWerks> actually it doesn't. The bt modules are still loaded evenb if udev is not.
[03:03] <Eickmeyer> Well, that blows that theory. :P
 @teward001 @Eickmeyer  \o/
 @azbulutlu So basically social@ forwards to you and me. We can set up a team in Launchpad that gets an email address it can foward to, which then forwards to those email addresses. For now, though, this works.
 my main concern for mailing lists is that it tends to have a public archive somewhere
 otherwise it is probably trivial to create  a ubuntustudio communication team to deal with it. :)
[15:01] <teward> @azbulutlu I mean, you could deploy a PRIVATE listserv instance that we/you would control, private lists are a thing then
[15:01] <teward> for example lubuntu council's list is 'private' archived you need a PW to see those
[15:01] <teward> but you'd need a private list at that point
[15:01] <teward> it MIGHT be possible to have IS spin up some private lists on lists.u.c
[15:01] <teward> but... :P
[15:03] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: New LMMS released: https://lmms.io/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30408  (probably still stuck in lv1 past)
[15:04] <OvenWerks> yes
[15:04] <OvenWerks> I heard that a new one was released
[15:06] <OvenWerks> 1.2 it says.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> and yes there is no mention of LV2s in the release notes
[15:12] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[15:13] <OvenWerks> Very hard for me to test though. It's workflow is such that I open it up and my mind goes "ok, now what?"
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> Haha, same.
[15:14] <Eickmeyer> RE: HiDeHo: becoming a help vampire quickly.
[15:14] <OvenWerks> I did not see anything in there for direct audio recording either which I would consider more important than lv2 hosting
[15:16] <Eickmeyer> For me, LMMS is a non-starter. But you KNOW someone's going to be like, "Why isn't this included in Ubuntu Studio?!?"
[15:16] <Eickmeyer> I'd just as soon demote it to repo-only. :P
 *uses lmms and loves it*
[15:17] <OvenWerks> re: HiDeHo, it might be a reasonable idea to have a known way of using the file manager in "system mode"
[15:18] <OvenWerks> azbulutlu: you are not the only one.
 @teward001 @eickmeyer I think the current setup is fine. the point is, if tomorrow me and erich gets hit by a bus, someone can contact the IS to take over that email address alias, and add people into it. which is the point.
[15:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: there are a number of people who love LMMS and look at it and just go. the workflow is quite obvious to many people
 :)
 it is very familiar if you want to work with midi based loops. so if you are coming from a commercial software like logic pro... I am also planning to learn to use ardour better, its just for different things. :)
[15:20] <OvenWerks> azbulutlu: Yes, qtracktor doesn't seem to fill that void either as it is also quite linear
 (btw mastodon account is now tied to the social@, and it should also now email nag if someone replies/mentions ubuntustudio. (I don't have email notifications on for follows, but I can turn that on too.. )
 @azbulutlu [@teward001 @eickmeyer I think the current setup is fine. the point is, if tomorr …], right, but i'm not on the team.  my connectivity is peripheral
[15:21]  * OvenWerks comes from a band oriented, analog in background and started recording with tape
 so I can't really take over unless the Ubuntu STudio team designated me as an official person to do that
 I just know who to stab on IS :)
 well whoever becomes the lead probably can override that
 yep
 that's why @Eickmeyer's requests carry weight
 I just know who to poke to expedite things ;)
 learned that a lot over the few years
 :) well I am really trying to make sure that whoever ends up the next lead never has the issues Set and Erich ran into
 @teward001 is my desginated cattle prod.
 OvenWerks: yeah qtracktor I believe has some limitations. I was literally taught how to compose music using loops so... *shrugs* :)
 >.> that is bit disturbing way to frame it
 @Eickmeyer nah, you just ask and I deliver because we ALL know I'm a persistent SOB
 well it is much appreciated.
 and you saw even Seth said as much in canonical-sysadmin yesterday xD
 @teward001 [@Eickmeyer nah, you just ask and I deliver because we ALL know I'm a persistent …], Ha! true.
 ahahah
 @teward001 [and you saw even Seth said as much in canonical-sysadmin yesterday xD], Yes. That was hilarious. "Can confirm." *runs*
[15:24] <OvenWerks> I think I was the one who originally suggested LMMS should be included... even though I never use it and don't really know how to even test it.
 I think it being added predates me joining the team yes. *laughs*
 *in all fairness hasn't done music stuff in last year much*
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It can stick around, I was being facetious.
 *but will soon have to*
 @Eickmeyer [Yes. That was hilarious. "Can confirm." *runs*], I bother sarnold REGULARLY for nginx security concerns, so that's where Seth is coming from there :P
 (in case Eickmeyer never shared, I do a LOT of Server Team interactions, esp. NGINX related)
 (it's how I know my things xD)
[15:27] <Eickmeyer> Back later, I have to get my son off to school.
[15:27]  * OvenWerks just left... thankfully on his own steam.
 xD
 @teward001 i think one of you mentioned earlier, but thank you truly!
 you're welcome :)


[06:45] <shadeslayer> hi, when trying to run shank using the drivers from xorg-edgers it says it can't find the R600 driver, presumably because I'm on am64 and it uses i386 libs
[06:45] <shadeslayer> and I can't install the i386 drivers because keyboard-configuration is arch any
[06:45] <shadeslayer> any ideas how to fix?
[06:46] <RAOF> Why can't you install the i386 drivers? They should be installable.
[06:47] <shadeslayer> because xserver-xorg-core:i386 depends on keyboard-configuration:i386, but there is no keyboard-configuration:i386
[06:48] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/688472/
[06:48] <RAOF> Why are you trying to install xserver-xorg-core:i386? All you need for 3D is the mesa drivers - libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 and what it recommends/depends on.
[06:48] <shadeslayer> don't I need  xserver-xorg-video-radeon:i386 ?
[06:49] <shadeslayer> because I get : libGL error: failed to load driver: r600
[06:53] <RAOF> One reason you'll get that is if you don't have the appropriate libgl1-mesa-dri installed.
[06:53] <RAOF> But, as it probably says, ‘LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo’ will get more information.
[06:53] <RAOF> Or just throwing LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose into your environment.
[06:53] <shadeslayer> aye, that's what I'm doing
[06:54] <shadeslayer> RAOF: http://paste.kde.org/688484/
[06:54] <shadeslayer> I think you're right
[06:55] <RAOF> shadeslayer: So, “libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/r600_dri.so failed (/usr/local/games/shank/bin/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libLLVM-3.2.so.1))” is the interesting bit.
[06:55] <RAOF> As you can see, you've *got* the r600_dri.so driver; however, there's a problem somewhere in its dependencies.
[06:56] <shadeslayer> I see
[06:56] <RAOF> Oh!
[06:56] <RAOF> Of course.
[06:56] <RAOF> It's trying to load /usr/local/games/shank/bin/libstdc++.so.6 as your libstdc++, but that's the wrong version.
[06:56] <shadeslayer> oh
[06:56] <shadeslayer> :<
[06:57] <RAOF> So, try moving that out of the way.
[06:57] <RAOF> Or just deleting it.
[06:57] <RAOF> You've got a perfectly functional libstdc++.so.6 in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu, so unless shank has done something *utterly insane* like patching their libstdc++, deleting their copy should work.
[06:58] <shadeslayer> yeah
[06:58] <shadeslayer> it does work :)
[07:00] <shadeslayer> bah
[07:00] <shadeslayer> stupid game
[07:00] <shadeslayer> it didn't work on the intel card, doesn't work on the ATI card
[07:02] <shadeslayer> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/06/plasma-desktopnQ5646.png
[07:14] <llstarks> shadeslayer, having fun with powerxpress/enduro?
[07:19] <RAOF> shadeslayer: I wonder if you need the dxtn library for i386? libtxc-dxxtn-s2tc0:i386?
[07:24] <shadeslayer> llstarks: heh :)
[07:25] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure if it's a powerexpress, it's whatever Apple used for the 8,2 MBP
[07:25]  * mlankhorst yawns
[07:25] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:26] <shadeslayer> RAOF: libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0:i386 is already installed
[07:27] <hyperair> force s3tc compression on using driconf?
[07:28] <shadeslayer> do I need to restart X or just the game after I do that?
[07:33] <shadeslayer> hm
[07:33] <shadeslayer> hyperair: fwiw I don't have that option on the ATI card
[07:33] <hyperair> oh
[07:34] <hyperair> just the game.
[07:34] <shadeslayer> well, driconf doesn't give me an option to force s3tc compression
[07:34] <hyperair> weird
[07:34] <hyperair> oh well
[07:50] <llstarks> shadeslayer, oh that's gmux
[08:40] <tjaalton> hah, got a good backtrace of the crash with the touch fix branch
[08:40] <tjaalton> phew..
[08:40] <tjaalton> took a lot longer to crash this time
[08:59] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: would it be reproducable with a macbook touchpad?
[09:02] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: dunno
[09:04] <tjaalton> maybe, if you set it absolute, and so it registers a click on every touch :)
[09:04] <tjaalton> maybe needs to mimick a touchscreen otherwise as well
[09:06] <tjaalton> hmm so what are the multitouch gestures again?
[09:06] <tjaalton> since I'm seeing something strange here...
[09:07] <mlankhorst> three fingers was adjusting window iirc, 4 was dash
[09:07] <tjaalton> aka. they only work when the single touch is locked..
[09:07] <tjaalton> ah, no.. works
[09:16] <tjaalton> ok, now on to the crazy intel backports..
[10:34] <tseliot> ricotz: hi, I think you spoke with bryce saying that the versioned dep on nvidia-current in nvidia-cuda 5 needs to be unversioned to work with virtual-packages. Can you explain exactly what package you were referring to?
[10:35] <ricotz> tseliot, i am not remembering the package right now, but afair some lib package has a versioning dep on nvidia > 304.xx
[10:36] <ricotz> which breaks the installation with edgers nvidia-313
[10:36] <tseliot> ricotz: can it be libcuda?
[10:36] <ricotz> and having all those provides/conflicts is kind of bad
[10:36] <ricotz> it should get some thinking to avoid those
[10:36] <ricotz> let me see
[10:37] <tseliot> ricotz: provides/conflicts in nvidia or in cuda?
[10:37] <ricotz> in the nvidia packaging
[10:37] <tseliot> right, tumbleweed mentioned that too
[10:38] <ricotz> this is pretty bad, imo there should be one "Provide: xorg-driver-binary-blob" or something
[10:39] <tseliot> but we need the drivers manager to be able to easily switch between nvidia drivers, without complaining when trying to install a driver other than the one you have already installed
[10:39] <ricotz> to unify amd/nvidia in some way
[10:40] <ricotz> the manager should be able to pick the package directly nvidia-304, -313 and so on
[10:40] <ricotz> sorry, i don't have insight in how they get picked currently
[10:40] <tseliot> yes, what I mean is, for example the user has already installed 304, then he decides to install 313
[10:41] <ricotz> ok, so?
[10:41] <tseliot> but without the conflicts/replace/provide stuff, apt will give an error since the packages conflict with one another
[10:42] <ricotz> both will provide the virtual package
[10:42] <tseliot> I'm pretty sure I tried that in the past and it didn't work
[10:42] <ricotz> "xorg-driver-binary-blob"
[10:42] <ricotz> i see
[10:43] <tseliot> I can try again in case memory is failing me but I think I've already tried that path
[10:44] <ricotz> ok
[10:45] <ricotz> havent tried it myself yet
[10:49] <tseliot> ricotz: BTW, I've made some changes to the packaging of 313 so as to make the creation of new flavours easier
[10:51] <tseliot> https://github.com/tseliot/nvidia-graphics-drivers/commit/e62fccf6ab50161026e1d2c75199f7ff03e26a4e
[10:51] <tseliot> https://github.com/tseliot/nvidia-graphics-drivers/commit/1d503d498b0de824974693b50ca7fe7f68d14291
[10:53] <ricotz> tseliot, thanks, will resync it with 304 and 313 in edgers when i get to it
[10:58] <tseliot> ricotz: I'm also uploading the latest 313 as we speak
[10:58] <ricotz> 313.26?
[11:26] <tseliot> yep
[12:40] <tseliot> ricotz: I've tried with dummy packages and the whole conflicts/replace/provides works with a metapackage (at least with apt, not with dpkg). This is great news!
[12:53] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I guess it's about the series of 7 and series of 12 on ml?
[12:53] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yep
[12:53] <mlankhorst> so I just grab canonical-x ppa for all drivers and cherry pick those patches into my xserver?
[12:56] <ricotz> tseliot, ok :)
[13:26] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: mind if I stuff 1.14 in canonical-x?
[13:27] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: huh? it's in there?
[13:27] <tjaalton> already
[13:27] <mlankhorst> oh 1.14 was released
[13:28] <mlankhorst> this morning
[13:29] <tjaalton> oh that
[13:29] <tjaalton> yeah, go for it
[13:51] <mlankhorst> boo, site is down
[14:15] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: well since x1.14 won't be in raring, I'm just going to keep changelog updated with the ppa for now. I'm also using some self generated tarball for xorg 1.14, seems the site is down :/
[14:22] <tjaalton> hmm, not 100% sure if you can change the tarball once we push it to the main repo
[14:22] <tjaalton> then again, there should be .1 at some point, with these touch fixes
[14:22] <mlankhorst> well I expect 1.14.0 not to be the version we'll upload :)
[14:22] <tjaalton> or the final set, without crashers :)
[14:22] <tjaalton> right
[14:23] <tjaalton> git.fd.o doesn't work either
[14:23] <mlankhorst> annarchy is down, i cant ssh to it
[15:41] <mlankhorst> blergh can't rebase to test on my macbook now, thing broke :(
[15:41] <tseliot> ricotz: also, make sure you check the latest commit for 313 in my git repository (I've fixed an issue in my previous changes)
[15:41] <tseliot> ricotz: *latest commits
[16:43] <ricotz> tseliot, alright
[17:25] <mlankhorst> oh finally got x1.14 set up now
[17:32] <Duke`> latest xorg-intel-video driver in xorg-edgers (2013-03-01) is totally broken for i945 GM x_x
[17:32] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: what is the easiest way to reproduce the hang?
[17:33] <Duke`> and the previous one (2013-02-26) was not very good too
[17:33] <mlankhorst> erm the touch hanging :)
[17:38] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: read the upstream bug :)
[17:38] <tjaalton> afk ->
[17:38] <mlankhorst> oh fd bugzilla still works
[17:47] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: yeah I can reproduce it on my macbook :)
[17:53] <mlankhorst> it's a lot easier to crash with valgrind enabled too! :D
[18:00] <mlankhorst> ugh hold on i might have removed the flavor
[18:00]  * mlankhorst reinstalls xserver-xorg-core to be sure
[18:15] <tjaalton> ah cool
[18:15] <tjaalton> with multitouch synaptics?
[18:28] <mlankhorst> yeah
[18:29] <tjaalton> ok
[18:29] <tjaalton> so this is with 1.13 or patched 1.14?
[18:37] <mlankhorst> 1.14.0 + the input patches
[18:39] <tjaalton> ok, did you try the original bug?
[18:40] <tjaalton> maybe the new one isn't touch specific then
[18:42] <tjaalton> since I can still use touch gestures
[18:44] <mlankhorst> I think it's separat
[18:45] <tjaalton> yeah
[18:47] <bryce> where we at with mesa 9.1?
[18:47] <mlankhorst> Fire when ready?
[18:48] <tjaalton> well the slow blur with dash on intel would be nice to get fixed
[18:48] <bryce> any reservations to including it in 13.04?
[18:48] <tjaalton> but we could FFe it
[18:48] <tjaalton> not really
[18:48] <tjaalton> maybe even get 9.1.1 in time
[18:49] <bryce> mm, that'd be nice
[18:50] <mlankhorst> but packaging for 9.1 is done
[18:50] <tjaalton> I'd like to review it one more time though, there is the -dev package mess on debian for instance
[18:51] <tjaalton> that kano is so vocal about
[18:51] <bryce> heh
[21:19] <bryce> pushed the "fix" for the drm race condition
[21:20] <bryce> (I quote fix because I think it just works around the problem by adding sleep.  But this may be the best we can do on the X side.)
[21:27] <tjaalton> bryce: it doesn't fix it
[21:27] <tjaalton> I tried a similar patch, and even when it doesn't give that error message it can fail
[21:28] <tjaalton> too bad though..
[21:28] <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/914b5784e52c5967784eae44e4b138a346b1ff90?authuser=0 post UDS drinking hangout ...
[21:28] <tjaalton> ogra_: is there a live feed to watch with popcorn? :)
[21:28] <tjaalton> no beer at hand :/
[21:29] <ogra_> i donmt think so, you have to participate with beer :)
[21:29] <tjaalton> dammit
[21:29] <bryce> tjaalton, on the contrary, the testing has shown when the message shows up, it does result in a working system
[21:29] <tjaalton> which message?
[21:29] <bryce> setversion 1.4 failed
[21:30] <tjaalton> you mean _doesn't_ show up?
[21:30] <bryce> no
[21:31] <tjaalton> I'm confused then :)
[21:31] <tjaalton> that would mean when it fails to open the drm device the system works?
[21:31] <bryce> real simple:  I uploaded a patch that works around the issue.  Testers confirm their systems now boot and work reliably (although sometimes with slight delay due to the sleeping)
[21:32] <bryce> yep, that seems to be what's happening.  I don't understand why, but there are multiple confirmations it's true.
[21:32] <tjaalton> I'm just reading the commit msg
[21:33] <bryce> tjaalton, there's ample logs there now if you want to study further
[21:33] <tjaalton> I know the logs :)
[21:33] <bryce> tjaalton, you're just wanting to diss my fix?  ;-)
[21:33] <tjaalton> which show that when "setversion 1.4 failed" is on them it will fail
[21:33] <tjaalton> nono
[21:33] <tjaalton> I believe it'll make it harder to hit
[21:34] <tjaalton> so it's definitely good to have _something_
[21:35] <tjaalton> I'll edit my first comment: "it doesn't fix it completely". there :)
[21:35] <bryce> well, thus my quotes.  "fix"
[21:35] <tjaalton> ah, true
[21:36] <bryce> the problem seems deeper than X tho
[21:36] <bryce> I'm not sure there's more we can do *in X* than this
[21:36] <tjaalton> me neither
[21:36] <mlankhorst> I could mess up the kernel :P
[21:36] <tjaalton> please do
[21:36] <tjaalton> :)
[21:36] <mlankhorst> but I'd need a good way to reproduce the issue first
[21:36] <bryce> at least this gives us clearer error messages (error codes!) and improves the situation for users
[21:37] <tjaalton> there was some option to fully disable plymouth (removing splash isn't enough) on the cmdline, also maybe get some proper tracing from the kernel or such
[21:39] <bryce> i seem to remember early on several people tried switching off plymouth but it didn't make a difference.  Maybe they didn't do it "fully" enough tho.  *shrug*
[21:39] <RAOF> mlankhorst: You're not in #ubuntu-mir, but moving to Mir dma-buf is one of my upcoming tasks. ☺
[21:40] <tjaalton> "adam" on that bug hit some nouveau issue
[21:40] <tjaalton> bryce: removing 'splash' isn't enough, i was told
[21:40] <tjaalton> there's also some plymouth.debug option
[21:41] <tjaalton> but maybe it is just a race inside drm. one guy said on a bug that removing 'splash' made it fail every time
[21:44] <tjaalton> too bad the system that fails for me 7 out of 10 bootups is my main desktop..
[21:44] <tjaalton> which has a surprisingly long uptime of 11 days now :)
[21:47] <mlankhorst> can I reproduce it after removing/re-inserting the module somehow/
[21:47] <tjaalton> how do you remove a kms module?
[21:48] <tjaalton> is it possible?
[21:48] <mlankhorst> oh I have a script for that
[21:48] <tjaalton> alright
[21:48] <mlankhorst> first you do echo 1 > /sys/class/vtcon/*1/unbind
[21:48] <mlankhorst> then rmmod probably works
[21:49] <mlankhorst> although maybe just binding/unbinding would be enough
[21:50] <tjaalton> hmm some of the crashes might be hybrid races too
[21:50] <tjaalton> that airlied has not seen
[21:50] <tjaalton> yet
[21:51] <mlankhorst> actually binding/unbinding might be easier to test
[21:59] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: and I suspect hybrid might mess up if it loads the modules in the wrong order, for example nouveau first instead of i915, but this is just speculation, maybe I was just hitting the same race as before
[21:59] <tjaalton> should we create a wikipage or something to track this? it might need a diagram or two about what happens between kernel loading and xserver being up?
[22:00] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: could be
[22:00] <mlankhorst> i think tomorrow I'll just try to make some test case that doesn't involve booting to trigger
[22:00] <tjaalton> that would be great
[22:01] <mlankhorst> and then probably fix it
[22:01] <tjaalton> maybe udev plays a part in it too
[22:03] <mlankhorst> some strategic placed sleeps in the kernel might make it easier to hit :p