[21:16] <Flohack> Good Eve
[21:16] <Flohack> I got a request concerning the #ubuntu-touch channel
[21:17] <Flohack> popey and I came up with the idea to redirect this channel to #ubports since there is no ubuntu touch interest any more in Canonical
[21:17] <Flohack> This was also endorsed by k11_, but now we are not sure how to proceed.
[21:18] <Flohack> So he mentioned I should show up here and ask for this redirection. The remaining users will benefit from being redirected on our ubports channel
[21:20] <Flohack> You can find our conversation here: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/05/31/%23ubuntu-touch.html
[21:22] <Flohack> On our side plz contact mariogrip in #ubports for the details of the redirection
[21:46] <Unit193> One would have to request the bots be removed first, so they don't follow the redirect (or rejoin on restart), then the redirect could be set.  I personally see no reason not to redirect if it has been ACK'd by popey/Ubuntu touch people and the other side of the redirect.
[21:48] <Flohack> Oki nice
[21:52] <Unit193> popey: Will you make the request to rt@ to remove ubuntulog?
[21:54] <Flohack> That would be nice, if it can be handled from your side. I am IRC noob and ... yes ^^
[21:55] <Unit193> (I'm going to wait for a response from popey either way, first.)
[21:56] <Flohack> Yeah sure no worries. I will check back in the next days
[21:57] <popey> done
[21:57] <popey> (sent rt)
[21:59] <Unit193> Flohack: FYI, I'll either need to be OP'd in order to set the redirect, or the channel has to accept forwards.
[22:00] <Flohack> Ok let me see, here in Europe it is late, we might not get that set up now
[22:02] <popey> 104016 is the rt number
[22:07] <Flohack> So Im off for today, I ping back when we got you Opped
[22:07] <elky> i note that the channel will then be outside the definition of our namespace agreement with freenode and we will probably be less able to help in the future
[22:08] <elky> if that's ok with you guys then i see no problem with this
[22:08] <Flohack> What exactly does that mein
[22:09] <Unit193> Flohack: That means that the namespace wouldn't be under our control, and management would be up to you.
[22:09] <elky> Flohack: the group contacts for ubuntu have control of #ubuntu* #kubuntu* #edubuntu* etc. We don't have control of the #ub* namespace
[22:09] <Unit193> Eg, even if you get spammers that try to join via #ubuntu-touch.
[22:10] <Flohack> Yeah Isee. Well currently there is discussion about our future relationship with Canonical and Ubuntu, and lets see what comes up there. I can hardly ask for being under the Ubuntu hat if we for example would not be able to use the name Ubuntu Touch. But if we get that allowance, we can again discuss whats about that channel. For the moment that means: No problem, we could handle mgmt of the...
[22:10] <Flohack> ...channel ourselves
[22:11] <elky> just making sure that you were aware we'll be slightly less useful :)
[22:12] <Unit193> It amuses me that people I associate with KDE/Kubuntu are on the ACL. :)
[22:12] <Flohack> Yes its a shame that these things have to happen. But I see still a lot people asking questions in ubuntu-touch, and in ubports we have a bridge to Telegram, where we can help them much better
[22:14] <Flohack> So good night now =)


[08:59] <spoky99> hi all
[08:59] <spoky99> someone could help me with mithwelcome?
[09:12] <spoky99> I had some problem to understand how it work, I follow the offical mythbuntu hoh-to, it seem that mytwlecome execute the shutdown comand but not te setwakeup $time, I replacede the script with a log script for capture the time format ad write it into a log file, mytwelcome execute the shutdown but not the script (the script is executable and work from bash without problem)
[11:53] <spoky99> someone could help me with mithwelcome?
[11:53] <spoky99> I had some problem to understand how it work, I follow the offical mythbuntu hoh-to, it seem that mytwlecome execute the shutdown comand but not te setwakeup $time, I replacede the script with a log script for capture the time format ad write it into a log file, mythwelcome execute the shutdown but not the script (the script is executable and work from bash without problem)
[17:33] <spoky99> hi all
[17:33] <spoky99> someone could help me with mithwelcome?
[17:33] <spoky99> I had some problem to understand how it work, I follow the offical mythbuntu hoh-to, it seem that mytwlecome execute the shutdown comand but not te setwakeup $time, I replacede the script with a log script for capture the time format ad write it into a log file, mythwelcome execute the shutdown but not the script (the script is executable and work from bash without problem)
[17:50] <gedakc> spoky99:  Is the script contained in one of the diretories of the PATH environment variable?
[17:50] <gedakc> If not, then the full path to the script is required.
[17:51] <gedakc> I wrote a tutorial on how to set up MythTV Automatic Wakeup and Shutdown.  See
[17:51] <gedakc> http://gedakc.users.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=pvr-mythtv-auto-wakeup
[17:52] <spoky99> the script is called with the entire path
[17:52] <gedakc> Did you test setting the Real Time Clock wakeup to be sure you have the correct date format for your BIOS?
[17:53] <spoky99> tis is what i cold understand
[17:53] <spoky99> could
[17:54] <gedakc> I'm not sure what meant by the last two sentences.
[17:54] <gedakc> Did you test wakeup from the command line?
[17:54] <spoky99> I write the script for know the time format ad adjust it into the setwakeup script
[17:55] <spoky99> yess, and it work (without write password)
[17:55] <spoky99> but the rtc time is 2 hour in the past
[17:56] <spoky99> (+1 hour for my time zone and +1 for daylight saving)
[17:57] <spoky99> I could correct time and date but now I'm not in able to see it work
[17:58] <gedakc> Did you modify /etc/sudoers.d/mythtv to ensure the mythtv user can run the script without requireing a password?
[17:58] <spoky99> yesss (with visudo comman that check it)
[17:58] <spoky99> command
[17:58] <spoky99> (excuse me for my poor english)
[17:59] <gedakc> Re: English, no worries.  :-)
[17:59] <spoky99> :)
[17:59] <gedakc> Let's ignore the 2 hour time difference for you.
[18:00] <spoky99> but the 2 hour is the second problem
[18:00] <spoky99> now I'm not in able to see it work
[18:00] <gedakc> If I understand correctly, the problem is that the "setwakeup" script is not executed when MythTV shuts down.
[18:01] <gedakc> Is the right?
[18:01] <spoky99> i write two script that write into two log file
[18:01] <gedakc> Do you see entries in the log file after MythTV shuts down?
[18:02] <spoky99> i see only the log of the shutdown script
[18:02] <gedakc> What is the exact Command to Set Wakeup Time you entered?
[18:02] <gedakc> For example mine is:
[18:02] <gedakc> sudo sh -c "/usr/bin/setwakeup.sh $time"
[18:03] <spoky99> sh -c?
[18:03] <spoky99> sudo /usr/bin/setwakeup.sh $time
[18:04] <gedakc> Yes, that's what I used (sh -c).
[18:04] <gedakc> I don
[18:04] <spoky99> I try it!
[18:04] <spoky99> i will try it!
[18:04] <gedakc> I don't recall why I did it originally, but it might have been a problem passing the $time variable.
[18:05] <gedakc> Also, be sure the the "nvram-wakeup Restart command" is empty in the MythShutdown/MythWelcome settings.
[18:05] <spoky99> Uh
[18:06] <spoky99> i put a space into nvram-wakeup command
[18:07] <spoky99> if I clear the comand mythwelcome rewrite the nvram wakeup command
[18:08] <spoky99> (that I used in a old mediacenter)
[18:08] <spoky99> I could try the sh -c (execute sh script I suppose)
[18:09] <spoky99> (I'm reading the man page of sh)
[18:10] <spoky99> thanks a lot!
[18:10] <gedakc> There should be no space in the nvram-wakeup command.  If it contains something, then the auto wakeup/shutdown does not work.
[18:10] <spoky99> ok
[18:11] <gedakc> Delete all the characters from the nvram-wakeup command.
[18:11]  * gedakc off to lunch
[18:11] <spoky99> but If i erase all the data
[18:12] <spoky99> and after I save and exit from mytwelcome setup
[18:12] <spoky99> when I return in mythwelcome --setup
[18:13] <spoky99> reapperas the path for nvram-wakeup
[18:13] <spoky99> reappears
[18:13] <spoky99> (I suppose was a bug of mythwelcome)
[18:14] <spoky99> where is stored the myrtwelcome setup?
[18:15] <spoky99> could I erase it in other place?
[18:16] <spoky99> I check it, all the input box completely is erased
[18:32]  * gedakc back.
[18:32] <gedakc> If all of the input box is completely erased, then that is how it should be set up.  :-)
[18:33] <gedakc> spoky99:  Did you try "sh -c" ?
[18:38] <gedakc> Wow, the ACPI Wakeup example script has sure changed since I first looked at it back in 2011.
[18:39] <gedakc> If auto wakeup is still not working, then I suggest trying my tutorial.
[18:39] <gedakc> http://gedakc.users.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=pvr-mythtv-auto-wakeup
[18:41] <gedakc> I used the tutorial with Mythbuntu 12.04 and 14.04.


[03:52] <omar> .
[04:07] <o_h_e[m]> .
[06:43] <valorie> o_h_e: please stop changing nicks
[06:48] <o_h_e> Oh, sorry for spamming. My first time in IRC and am tring to understand how to setup.
[06:49] <o_h_e> Is there any way not to broadcast this to all channels?
[06:49] <o_h_e> I guess I can disconnect first.
[08:03] <Guest37742> Good morning
[11:09] <mohamed> hi
[11:11] <mohamed> morning
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:04] <mohamed> hi
[18:06] <tomte> hi there
[18:06] <tomte> got a bunch of mp3 files that are missing id3 tags
[18:07] <tomte> what tool can you recommend to edit them?
[20:22] <MIeszko> Tm_T
 Anyone have to fix for the bug in 19.10 kubuntu where it does not remember your default audit I had the page book marked but looks like I don't
 nevermind I found it.  Comment out load-module module-switch-on-port-available in  /etc/pulse/default.pa
[23:38] <BlueBomber> ##namespace
[23:38] <BlueBomber> test
[23:42] <bprompt> BlueBomber:    check check check, one two three, do re mi fa so, do re mi fa so, figaro!!!! figaro!!!!
 Hello everyone somebody lose touchpad configurations when use elevate root applications?


[00:29] <greg-g> yo yo
[00:29]  * greg-g is riding the bus home
[00:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: party
[00:49] <greg-g> I'm thinking of going to the new pub/music venue tonight if the show looks good, my last Friday as a bachelor
[03:20] <cmaloney> greg-g: I thought you were already... ah, right.
[03:20] <cmaloney> "Bachelor"
[13:59] <rick_h_> party
[14:34] <cmaloney> Morning
[14:37] <rick_h_> anmorn
[14:37] <rick_h_> bah
[14:51] <cmaloney> heh
[15:12] <brousch_> What I was doing until 4AM https://plus.google.com/102663141609195877664/posts/BrpqJ19UZvi
[15:39] <brousch_> cmaloney: Happy birthday! Are you 50?
[15:44] <rick_h_> brousch_: what inspired the project?
[15:44] <brousch_> I don't know. I'm just a set of hands
[15:44] <rick_h_> ah cool
[15:51] <rick_h_> everyone change their freenode password yet?
[15:51] <brousch_> wat?
[15:52] <rick_h_> see freenode window for notice on potential compromise and suggestion to change password
[15:53] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/ag_dubs/status/510799881058144256/photo/1
[15:59] <brousch_> geekers
[16:21] <cmaloney> brousch_: Thank you. no.
[23:47] <mrgoodcat> hey i think i'm gonna make it to CHC this week
[23:47] <mrgoodcat> :D


[11:17] <flocculant> Unit193: nice one with the core iso
[11:18] <Unit193> Thanks, figured Eoan would go without it. :3
[11:58] <flocculant> :)
[17:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is knome
[18:19] <knome> oi
[18:19] <knome> /p\
[23:29] <Unit193> elementary-xfce uploaded to Debian, will force sync once I'm able.


[02:06]  * xnox is confused about Qt4 on ubuntu desktop cd....
[02:11] <seb128> xnox, ubuntuone-qt-control-panel?
[02:11] <seb128> xnox, ubuntuone-control-panel-qt rather
[02:12] <xnox> seb128: yeah, and checkbox-qt & appmenu-qt.
[02:12] <xnox> seb128: found bug #1130782
[02:13] <xnox> seb128: i thought we are all about qt5 these days....
[02:13] <seb128> xnox, we are, porting require resources though and the priority atm is not on porting existing code...
[02:13] <xnox> seb128: true.
[02:52] <cjwatson> infinity: haha.  anyone else is welcome to do the necessary :)
[15:33] <rly> I compiled a custom kernel by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild -- Kernel Build and Installation --. After the sudo reboot action, there is no grub entry for the newly built kernel. Why is this the case?
[16:24] <doko> considering to just throw away the debian changes in opus ...
[16:26] <doko> hmm, better not, ron lee package ...
[18:55] <ekarlso-> has apt-add-repository been removed in saucy?
[18:56] <ekarlso-> I installed python-software-properties but it doesn't seem to be provieded ther
[18:57] <brainwash> ekarlso-: software-properties-common provides apt-add-repository
[19:24] <hyperair> gilir: ping
[19:24] <hyperair> er nevermind, i'll poke you in #gtkpod instead
[20:04] <brainwash> pitti: something has to be broken, because many people are affected by bug 1184262
[20:06] <brainwash> apparently only normal users are affected, no dev or someone with the needed knowledge to debug it :/
[20:55] <ekarlso-> what can be wrong when apt-* bash completion doesn't work ?
[20:56] <ekarlso-> I just re-installed bash-completion as well
[20:57] <ekarlso-> nvm, had the wrong .bash* file
[20:57] <ekarlso-> :)


[02:32] <KatelynTaylor> hi
[02:32] <KatelynTaylor> how can i be an op
[02:33] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements is a good place to start, KatelynTaylor
[02:33] <KatelynTaylor> Would if i am a well known troll?
[02:36] <KatelynTaylor> my name is katelyn taylor
[02:45] <Unit193> !canibeanop
[02:45] <Unit193> !canibeananop
[02:45] <Unit193> :P
[05:17] <Unit193> Someone needs poked in #u.
[21:19] <elky> valorie: i have to go out soon :-/
[21:20] <elky> this quantum  guy is going to PM people with sob stories and begging for attention
[21:21] <valorie> sounds lovely elky
[21:22] <valorie> please go out and have fun or be productive or whatever
[21:22] <elky> pretty sure i had to tell him last time that we're not a companion service
[21:22] <valorie> lol
[21:22] <valorie> I very rarely allow PMs
[21:34] <Unit193> elky: Can you update the ops factoid for that channel?  see -irc?
[21:35] <elky> later, we're walking out the door now
[21:35] <elky> ciao
[21:36] <Unit193> Byebye.


[00:00]  * micahg facepalms since it's not on the list
[00:00] <hggdh> :-)
[00:00] <hggdh> been there, done that ;-)
[00:00]  * micahg suggests someone add that channel
[00:00] <persia> micahg, Add it :p
[00:01]  * micahg will add it later unless someone does it first
[00:01] <hggdh> I will do it
[00:01] <charlie-tca> We can do that?
[00:02] <micahg> charlie-tca: its on the Wiki, why not?
[00:02] <MiMe> Where should I report a bug if I found one in a PPA version (namely, nautilus-elementary)
[00:02] <charlie-tca> Never occurred to me it was something we could do. Braindead?
[00:02] <kklimonda> MiMe: to the owner of ppa in question.
[00:03] <persia> MiMe, You can tell the PPA owner, but there is no useful way to report that kind of bug in general.
[00:03] <micahg> MiMe: upstream or PPA owner, some team PPAs post guidelines for bug reporting
[00:03] <MiMe> Thanks all
[00:03] <persia> upstream is often not so helpful unless one has tested upstream code
[00:04] <micahg> persia: true, but it might already be reported
[00:04] <persia> true
[04:49] <RedSingularity> When closing a bug for inactivity should I mark it as "invalid"?
[04:50] <micahg> RedSingularity: yes, if you cannot reproduce it and there's not enough information
[04:50] <RedSingularity> micahg:  ok
[05:00] <persia> What?
[05:01] <persia> I thought we had the new shiny "expired" status for those that we were supposed to use.
[05:01] <RedSingularity> persia: Really?
[05:01] <persia> I'm not a big fan of "expired", for lots of reasons, but I'm not sure why we oughtn't use it if we must have it.
[05:02] <RedSingularity> persia:  I dont see an "expired" tag.
[05:02] <RedSingularity> under status??
[05:02] <persia> I'm not sure how it works for users: might need the API or something.
[05:02] <persia> Anyway, may as well set "Invalid" which is the correct way of doing things pre-expired.
[05:03] <persia> And sometime when more people are awake, we can argue over whether that's still a good thing to do.
[05:03] <persia> (and how to use expired)
[05:10] <vish> persia¦ yea, expired is available now only via API..  so when doing it manually people are using the good old invalid..
[05:12] <persia> vish, We oughn't have two ways to do it.  If "expired" is correct, we ought have a script that does so via the API that we use if we need to expire bugs.
[05:12] <micahg> Expired is API accesible only
[05:12] <persia> Just something tucked in ubuntu-qa-tools that lets us say things like `expire LP#2"
[05:13] <vish> i think the kernel team and the x team already have scripts running to expire bugs..
[05:22] <persia> Indeed, and the LP team has started to run some internally.
[05:22] <persia> Doesn't help for the rest of things (like the one RedSingluarity was working on)
[07:01] <micahg> RedSingularity: bug 663099 is due to an out of date mirror
[07:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663099 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "failed to fetch http://ftp.udc.es/ubunto/pool/universe/o/orc/liborc-0.4-0_0.4-5-1_i386.deb 404 Not Found (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663099
[07:06] <persia> Sometimes I think we ought set the default sources.list with the local mirror as primary and the base mirror as secondary so that failures like that fall back to archive.ubuntu.com and just work.
[07:06] <persia> Of course, this might result in archive.ubuntu.com being as slow as ports.ubuntu.com, and that would be annoying.
[07:07] <RedSingularity> micahg:  I figured....what do you recommend?
[07:07] <micahg> RedSingularity: #ubuntu-mirror for help?
[07:08] <RedSingularity> micahg:  that is a custom mirror no?  Its not official ubuntu correct?
[07:10] <micahg> RedSingularity: it's listed as an archive mirror
[07:12] <RedSingularity> micahg:  The site is http://ftp.udc.es/   That doesnt look ubuntu related.  It has many distros in it as well.
[07:12] <micahg> RedSingularity: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ftp.udc.es-archive
[07:12] <RedSingularity> micahg: ahhh can I mark the bug to that instead of update-manager?
[07:14] <micahg> RedSingularity: no, but you can remove the package
[07:14] <micahg> persia: what do you think of subscribing ubuntu-mirror-admins ^^^
[07:15] <persia> I think it won't help.
[07:15] <persia> Is the package still missing?
[07:15] <micahg> persia: yes, the file listing is not in sync with the files in the mriror
[07:15] <persia> Looks like that mirror doesn't have universe at all.
[07:16] <persia> Um.  Notice "ubunto" vs. "ubuntu"
[07:16]  * micahg has ubuntu in the URL
[07:16] <persia> http://ftp.udc.es/ubunto/pool/universe/o/orc/liborc-0.4-0_0.4-5-1_i386.deb
[07:17] <micahg> http://ftp.udc.es/ubuntu/pool/universe/o/orc/liborc-0.4-0_0.4.5-1_i386.deb just as broke
[07:17] <persia> http://ftp.udc.es/ubuntu/pool/universe/o/orc/liborc-0.4-doc_0.4.5-1_all.deb is there
[07:18] <micahg> persia: not for me
[07:18] <RedSingularity> or me
[07:18] <persia> with "all" or "i386"?
[07:18] <micahg> either, it's out of date anyways (current version is 0.4.6-1
[07:18] <persia> Oh, I see.
[07:19] <persia> Well, some might argue it's 1:0.4.11-1 :)
[07:19] <persia> But I don't see any reason for 0.4.5-1 to be around, based on rmadison output.
[07:19] <persia> I expect it not to be there.
[07:19] <micahg> I'm assuming the user is sane, so I assumed Maverick
[07:20] <persia> I expect 0.4.2-1, 0.4.3-5, 0.4.6-1, and 1:0.4.11-1
[07:20] <persia> (although the last appears to be missing)
[07:20] <micahg> right
[07:20] <micahg> well, I would expect the last one to be msising if 0.4.6 is missing :D
[07:21] <RedSingularity> Whats the verdict?  Remove update-manager?
[07:21] <micahg> RedSingularity: definitely not update-manager's fault, it's being returned a false list
[07:21] <persia> It's a broken mirror.  Failed update started 01-Jul-2010 17:32 and hasn't recovered.
[07:21] <RedSingularity> micahg: i agree
[07:22] <RedSingularity> I cant remove the package....can you?
[07:22] <micahg> RedSingularity: hggdh has dealt with mirror issues before, we should get some type of procedure written for broken mirror bugs
[07:23] <persia> Problem is that only the mirror admins can do anything.
[07:23] <micahg> persia: right, but we need a procedure for contact or a bucket to toss these bugs
[07:23] <persia> I suppose we could try to SRU python-apt everytime we found a broken mirror, but that seems like it would get painful fast.
[07:23] <persia> can't we reassign to ubuntu-mirrors?
[07:23] <micahg> persia: if they use that workflow, that's my question
[07:24] <persia> Ah, no.  That's not a project anymore.
[07:24] <persia> Could subscribe the mirror admin to the bug :)
[07:25] <RedSingularity> Sounds good to me....micahg??
[07:25] <persia> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors should provide a link to the mirror registration, which should have a listed administrator.
[07:25] <micahg> RedSingularity: sure
[07:27] <RedSingularity> Give the user the email address for the maintainer?
[07:28] <persia> I'd probably subscribe the mirror admin to the bug, and then add a note that this appears to be an out-of-date mirror (carefully commenting on the timestamp of the Archive-update-in-progress file in the mirror root).
[07:28] <persia> The admin would be sent a copy (as they were subscribed), and could follow up in the bug.
[07:29] <persia> Otherwise the user has to contact the admin, and we can't know whether that conversation goes well or badly.
[07:29] <RedSingularity> And mark as invalid?
[07:29] <persia> In a bug we can help mitigate, and make sure the right thing happens.
[07:29] <persia> I'd leave it "triaged" and against no package until resolved: this will require following it.
[07:31] <RedSingularity> Take the liberty to mark?  And how can I remove the package?
[07:31] <persia> Same as reassigning to a different package, except erase the name of the package completely.
[07:32] <persia> And please go ahead with this one, yes.  If you can't do "triaged", "confirmed" works just as well.
[07:32] <persia> Still ought get raised on the mailing list: we ought have a useful bucket for these.
[07:33] <persia> And like I said before, I'm not sure it's not a bug in python-apt that we aren't automatically providing fallback mirrors when the selected ones fail.
[07:33] <persia> (but not worth cluttering that report with actual issues, really)
[12:21] <TomAble> Hi there, I'd like to report a bug: ubuntu 10.10-alternate.i386 overwrited my crypt partition during setup without asking. The partition was tagged as "Linux LVM (df)" but contained crypted data created by "cryptsetup luksFormat". It seems, that ubuntu 10.10 figured out that it wasn't able to read any pv-information from the lvm partition and decided to do a pvcreate on the partition without asking.
[12:22] <TomAble> after setup the partition header looked exactly as a header when you do a pvcreate on a partition manually
[12:23] <TomAble> I was able to reproduce this
[12:24] <TomAble> looks to me, like ubuntu now acts almost similar to Windows - what I don't know I'll overwirte and better not ask the dumb user
[12:27] <persia> It shouldn't be overwriting without you telling it.
[12:27] <persia> Could you file a bug with full installer logs?
[12:27] <TomAble> yes I would also apreciate that
[12:27] <TomAble> how Do I do that?
[12:27] <persia> `ubuntu-bug debian-installer` might work
[12:28] <persia> I suspect it won't, and you'll have to file the bug manually.
[12:28] <persia> To file it manually, start from http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bugs
[12:28] <TomAble> is there any documentation, ... thanks :-)
[12:29] <persia> I'd recommend attaching everything from /var/log/ in the installer environment.  The syslog and the parted.log are most important.
[12:30] <TomAble> okay, thanks for the info.
[12:31] <persia> Thanks for the report.  I've done a few alternate installs with prior use of LVM and luks and preserved them.  I'm sure something went odd (and am even more sure it's not intentional)
[12:44] <TomAble> yes, that's what I assume also :-) I did also a few alternate installs with releases before 10.10 and always kept my crypt-partition untouched during installation. This went well all the time, but this time the crypt partition now has a fine LVM2 header
[15:33] <drizztbsd> hi
[15:33] <drizztbsd> any news for bug #422284?
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 422284 in universalindentgui (Ubuntu) "universalindentgui crashed with SIGSEGV in QsciScintilla::setLexer() (affects: 3) (heat: 7)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422284
[15:46] <hggdh> drizztbsd: looking
[15:46] <drizztbsd> regression bug
[15:47] <drizztbsd> since with qscintilla 2.4.3 works
[15:49] <hggdh> drizztbsd: since the bug was opened (against karmic), a new version of the package has been published (1.1.0). Have you tested with it?
[15:49] <drizztbsd> yes
[15:49] <drizztbsd> I use 10.10
[15:50] <hggdh> are you the bug reporter?
[15:51] <drizztbsd> no
[15:51] <drizztbsd> I onlu hate to open duplicates
[15:51] <drizztbsd> only
[15:52] <hggdh> please update the bug with your findings. Upstream is at http://universalindent.sourceforge.net/, seems dormant, but I will see the bugs list there
[15:57] <hggdh> drizztbsd: what qscintilla is current now? (meaning version)
[15:58] <drizztbsd> 2.4.4
[15:58] <drizztbsd> if I install 2.4.3 it works
[15:58] <hggdh> yes, I found https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2947699&group_id=167482&atid=843127 but then it does not match :-(
[15:59] <ubot2> hggdh: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Sourceforge instance at 0xa0bf24c> bug 2947699 not found
[16:04] <hggdh> drizztbsd: did you get an apport crash file for this error?
[16:08] <hggdh> drizztbsd: reason is it is a new version, and newer qscintilla -- I am not sure it is the same issue
[18:13] <pedro_> devildante, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-qa-n-bugsquad-doc-review
[18:13] <devildante> thanks pedro_ :)
[18:14] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:14] <devildante> maybe you'll want to subscribe yourself to the blueprint?
[18:14] <pedro_> I guess i should be since i've registered?
[18:14] <pedro_> oh well don't trust lp
[18:14] <pedro_> :-P
[18:58] <slinker> can I report a bug I upstreamed?
[19:00] <rusivi> slinker: What is the link to the upstream bug?
[19:00] <slinker> I tagged it onto 663364 already
[19:04] <vish> pedro_¦ boo! you closed Bug 663119 ! ;p
[19:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663119 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Unneeded items in System > Preferences (affects: 27) (heat: 124)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663119
[19:05] <pedro_> vish, yeah ;-)
[19:05] <vish> pedro_¦ since that bug is a troll bait, i was waiting for everyone to comment there and then mark it a dup ;p
[19:05] <vish> it would be a dup of an invalid bug … hehe!
[19:06] <pedro_> vish, oh you're evil :-P
[19:06] <vish> pedro_¦ you spoiled  my evil plan :(
[19:08] <vish> pedro_¦  i knew where the 'traffic' was coming from , and if i marked the bug as dup or invalid, it would only move the discussion to another bug.. and spam more people.. :(
[19:08] <pedro_> lol
[19:08] <pedro_> vish, you really had a whole plan for it
[19:09] <pedro_> vish, i'll stay away from you next week :-P
[19:09] <vish> pedro_¦ hehe, nah.. i suddenly say a lot of comment on one bug and wondered if i should close it early,but i knew *I* would be trolled instead, so i stayed silent :
[19:10] <vish> saw*
[19:15] <vish> pedro_¦ btw, that whole bug is a moot point with http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings in gnome 3 ;)
[19:17] <kklimonda> vish: damn, it's less than 6 months before GNOME 3 is supposed to be released and there is nothing substantial on this page..
[19:18] <vish> kklimonda¦ my thoughts too, but it seems a lot of the background work is getting done, its more of the GUI design that needs to be completed..
[19:18] <vish> or so i am told..
[19:18] <kklimonda> vish: so we should buckle up for KDE 4.0 bis..
[19:18] <vish> hehe!
[19:18] <kklimonda> vish: can you change the character after nick you use for completion?
[19:19] <kklimonda> weechat doesn't highlight it properly (or not at all)
[19:19] <vish> kklimonda¦ hmm, is it breaking your irc client? :)
[19:19] <kklimonda> indeed
[19:19] <vish> ah!
[19:19] <hggdh> kklimonda: what gives on weechat?
[19:20] <kklimonda> hggdh: I can see the ¦ character, weechat just doesn't consider it a proper nick to highlight.
[19:20] <vish> yea, it prevents me from tab complete too  it just stays on as part of the nick, and i cannot switch to the next name..
[19:20] <kklimonda> it's a bug in weechat but before it's fixed vish is going to be ignored ;)
[19:21] <vish> vish ¦
[19:21] <hggdh> kklimonda: have you tried the Latest & Greatest from my PPA?
[19:21] <vish> kklimonda ¦ works now?
[19:21] <vish> kklimonda ¦ it should have highlighted now..
[19:22] <kklimonda> vish: works fine
[19:22] <kklimonda> hggdh: no :)
[19:22] <vish> wheeeeeeeeee!!
[19:22] <hggdh> kklimonda: might be interesting -- it is 3.4-dev, updated almost daily
[19:23] <njin> pedro_: hello, can i disturb ?
[19:24] <pedro_> njin, you can always disturb hggdh or vish, sure :-P
[19:24] <kklimonda> hggdh: I almost never restart my irc client
[19:24] <kklimonda> hggdh: and when I do I prefer it to work ;)
[19:24] <pedro_> njin, btw feel free to ask in the channel, there's no need to ask if you can ask something
[19:24] <njin> pedro_. can we look at tyhis wishlist ?
[19:24] <njin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/662919
[19:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 662919 in ubuntu "UPnP MediaServer KIO-slave (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:24] <vish> !ask | \o/
[19:24] <ubot2> \o/: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:24] <kklimonda> hggdh: I know, there is /reload or maybe /restart but I'm connected to most networks using ssl so it doesn't work for me.
[19:25] <kklimonda> hggdh: I guess I'm conservative when it comes to the IRC clients :)
[19:25] <hggdh> kklimonda: it is /upgrade
[19:25] <hggdh> kklimonda: but yes, it will bounce the SSL/TLS sessions
[19:25] <pedro_> njin, what about it?
[19:26] <pedro_> njin, what's your question about the bug exactly
[19:26] <njin> pedro_: i've tsalked yesterday about this with xtee.. and he said that this is a wishlist
[19:27] <njin> pedro_: he ask me to cleanout it in accord to our standards but i don't understand what he mean
[19:28] <pedro_> njin, right, looks like the reporter is asking for that package to be included in Ubuntu
[19:28] <njin> ok
[19:28] <pedro_> njin, have a look to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Requesting%20a%20new%20package%20for%20Ubuntu
[19:28] <hggdh> kklimonda: just upgraded, BTW :-)
[19:29] <pedro_> njin, there's a couple of example bug reports there, feel free to edit the previous bug to look alike to the examples
[19:29] <njin> pedro_: thanks, i'm looking
[19:29] <pedro_> njin, template is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages/ExamplePackageRequest
[19:29] <pedro_> njin, you're welcome
[19:32] <vish> njin ¦ btw, i think you are doing an incredible amount of work, thanks for helping with bugs :)
[19:32] <njin> vish: thanks :-) it mekes me happy
[19:33] <njin> *makes
[19:33] <vish> :)
[20:12] <njin> pedro_: done, can you take a look ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/662919
[20:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 662919 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] UPnP MediaServer KIO-slave (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:13] <pedro_> njin, looks fine, want me to set it as Wishlist for you?
[20:13] <njin> pero_: of course
[20:14] <pedro_> doing that now
[20:14] <njin> pedro_: of course
[20:14] <pedro_> njin, done, thanks for helping :-)
[20:14] <njin> thank to youu to help me .9
[21:13] <njin> hello  set status to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/656745
[21:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656745 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "dell vostro 3700 always crash (frozen) if I work with battery (power or thermal limit exceeded) (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:13] <njin> thanks
[21:25]  * hggdh just sent a request for niceness on the bugsquad ML, and sits down and waits
[21:32] <njin> hello guys , a good man to set importance here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/657508
[21:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 657508 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Network becomes sluggish when running on battery (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New]
[21:32] <njin> and here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/656745
[21:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656745 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "dell vostro 3700 always crash (frozen) if I work with battery (power or thermal limit exceeded) (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:33] <njin> thanks
[21:39] <Book_em_Dano> Would anyone mind giving me some assistance with triaging this bug, LP: #658183?
[21:39] <Book_em_Dano> Not sure what to look for in the logs
[21:40] <Book_em_Dano> I see a lot of activity w/ the open chrome driver, but not sure if that is the culprit
[22:13] <flipefr> hi
[22:14] <flipefr> can anybody look at the bug 663326
[22:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663326 in gparted (Ubuntu) "gparted crashes on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663326
[22:41] <flipefr> hi
[22:41] <flipefr> can anybody look at the bug 663326
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663326 in gparted (Ubuntu) "gparted crashes on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663326
[22:46] <rusivi> flipefr: The first thing that comes to my mind is did you md5sum the iso you downloaded and the CD you burned?
[22:48] <rusivi> that's what I would want the OP to answer of course ;)
[22:48] <flipefr> of course
[22:48] <flipefr> i will ask him
[22:48] <flipefr> thanks
[22:49] <flipefr> rusivi
[22:49] <rusivi> np, I'm hyper paranoid about bugging LiveCD stuff that I did not md5sum the iso and the burned CD. If I don't do both, I don't bug live cd issues.
[22:50] <rusivi> I don't trust my CD/DVD drive :p
[23:01] <devildante> rusivi: it's a bug, then :p
[23:17] <flipefr> rusivi: thanks again for your confindence about your cd drive
[23:17] <flipefr> i am leaving
[23:18] <flipefr> bye
[23:48] <Book_em_Dano> Would anyone mind giving me some assistance with triaging this bug, LP: #658183?
[23:48] <Book_em_Dano> Not sure what to look for in the logs to pinpoint what is going wrong.


[08:06] <daubers> Morning
[08:19] <diplo> Morning all
[08:19] <daubers> o/
[08:31] <hoover> morning all
[08:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Meauning.
[08:33] <diplo> So how is everyone this over cast morning ?
[09:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:13] <popey> Morning all!
[09:14] <bigcalm> It's a popey!
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Amazing! http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/03/human-bird-wings/
[09:30] <AlanBell> it is, I watched that several times yesterday
[09:32] <oimon> diplo, sunny in london, another lovely daty
[09:32] <diplo> BAH!
[09:32] <diplo> :(
[09:32] <oimon> not that i'll get out till 5pm
[09:33] <shauno> I almost resent when it's a lovely day and I'm stuck in the office.  thankfully it's a rare event here
[09:34]  * TheOpenSourcerer likes lovely datys
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time to go and put my chilli plants in the greenhouse...
[09:35] <diplo> oimon, At least I have a window!
[09:35] <diplo> A big window!
[09:35] <diplo> :)
[09:35] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, that was amazing.. wish therewas more details about it
[09:38] <gordonjcp> `:-)
[09:38] <gordonjcp> -`
[09:38] <gordonjcp> it's a lovely day here
[09:38] <gordonjcp> so I'm off out to drill holes in vans
[09:39] <gord> is gordonjcp in the A-Team now?
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[09:40] <gordonjcp> I'll take a photo of the sunshine and post it on twitter for you to see
[09:41] <diplo> Well thanks!
[09:42] <diplo> I think we have given up on sun now
[09:42] <diplo> I'd really like my garden to dry out.
[09:42] <popey> yay, my game.co.uk order has been shipped
[09:42] <popey> heard they've been de-listed from the stock exchange ⍨
[09:43] <DJones> popey: Yep, they have
[09:44] <gord> oooh a game?
[09:44] <DJones> A lot of suppliers are refusing to let them have any goods, the expectation was that they'd shut down very soon unless a buyer/new finance can be found for them (I think Comet were mentioned as a possible buyer)
[09:45] <gord> left my machine running a bitcoin miner all night to see how much it would generate, curiosity really, 0.02bitcoins. not gonna pay the electricity bill with that ;)
[09:45] <popey> gord: bought some second hand xbox 360 games
[09:46] <popey> Gears of War 2, FALLOUT NEW VEGAS , Colin McRae: DiRT 2, Bioshock. £17.92
[09:46] <popey> bargain ☺
[09:48] <czajkowski> hmmmm
[09:48] <czajkowski> I seem to have hit some key comnbination
[09:48] <czajkowski> where my terminal is now MAXED
[09:48] <gord> fallout new vegas is fun :) always wear a cowboy hat
[09:49] <czajkowski> and I cant see buttons or side bar
[09:49] <AlanBell> F11
[09:49] <czajkowski> *help*
[09:49] <czajkowski> win
[09:49] <czajkowski> thanks
[09:49] <czajkowski> :D
[09:49] <gord> the cowboy hat stops a game breaking bug
[09:49] <czajkowski> need breakfast
[09:58] <popey> gord: haha!
[09:59] <popey> czajkowski: or right click -> leave full screen
[09:59] <gordonjcp> 09:49 < gord> the cowboy hat stops a game breaking bug
[09:59] <gordonjcp> ^^^^ this is the first time anyone has ever said that
[10:00] <BigRedS> that soudns like the sort of game I want to be playing
[10:00] <gord> you wouldn't believe what i went through figuring that out ;) but it turns out its well known
[10:10] <bigcalm> mrevell: joining us tonight?
[10:10] <mrevell> bigcalm, Sorry, no.
[10:11] <bigcalm> How about tomorrow?
[10:11] <mrevell> bigcalm, Looking unlikely. Ill family combined with tight work deadlines.
[10:11] <bigcalm> Sucky
[10:11] <bigcalm> gord: coming tomorrow?
[10:12] <gord> bigcalm, not this time, beta two tomorrow
[10:12] <bigcalm> So, just me Alex and davmor2
[10:12] <bigcalm> If davmor2 isn't rushed off his feet as well
[10:14] <bigcalm> I'm not going to get any work done, am I?
[10:15] <bigcalm> Oh nuts. My Gran is in hospital. Good thing we're visiting my parents this weekend
[10:19] <gord> bigcalm, when do you ever get any work done at these things? ;)
[10:19] <bigcalm> gord: I get bits done. Tiny tiny bits
[10:21] <gord> is that in between bacon sarnies and dave harassments? ;)
[10:21] <bigcalm> :D
[10:21] <bigcalm> The bacon is good
[10:21] <czajkowski> whoo fresh out of the oven crossiant:D
[10:22] <gord> we should really get the other remote workers in here setting up their own work days, then put webcams in all of them hooked up to google hangouts
[10:23] <czajkowski> :)
[10:23] <bigcalm> And get no work done?
[10:23] <gord> and play national hide and seek obviously
[10:23] <bigcalm> Hehe
[10:27] <bigcalm> Double rotter chopper flew overhead. Could feel my innards go all wibbly
[10:27]  * BigRedS loves the Chinook
[10:27] <bigcalm> That's some good bass man
[10:28] <shauno> I give it 10 minutes before it ends up on a dubstep album :/
[10:28] <bigcalm> Yay dubstep
[10:30] <bigcalm> Goodness. Soundcloud making flash crashtastic today
[10:39]  * bigcalm sticks to last.fm and Orbital radio
[10:43] <gord> i tried that supposedly fixed spotify, its all lies
[10:46] <bigcalm> Maybe it would help if you were to pay for their service?
[10:47] <gord> i really don't think it would
[10:53] <DJones> New Doctor Who assistant has been named (and its not K9) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17456505
[10:53] <dwatkins> woohoo, thanks DJones
[10:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> nom nom Amy Pond...
[10:54] <DJones> According to IMDb 168 episodes of Emmerdale, waterloo road, Captain America, Titanic amongst her previous roles
[10:55] <oimon> amy pond was one of the most attractive women on tv, they won't get better
[10:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Agreed oimon
[10:55]  * TheOpenSourcerer stops looking at Google Images for Amy Pond...
[10:55] <czajkowski> whoo no more pond and rory!
[10:56] <czajkowski> thank feck!
[10:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oi Oi czajkowski
[10:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great Rugby at the Weekend? My predictions were spot on thought.
[10:56] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: aye you were right
[10:56] <czajkowski> we were woefully bad
[10:57] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: however A) we didnt end up witht he wooden spoon B) we played fairly and didnt bite other players :)
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Allegedly"
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am off to Wembley week after next for Saracens v 'Quins
[10:58] <czajkowski> sweet
[10:59] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17440125
[10:59] <czajkowski> up to a 4 year ban goes by to your career!
[11:00] <DJones> czajkowski: If he gets the 4 year ban, maybe he'll take up boxing with Mike Tyson as his trainer
[11:02] <czajkowski> DJones: this is  alesson, eat before you go play a game :)
[11:02] <czajkowski> dont like that nasty stuff in rugby really lowers the game
[11:04] <DJones> Definately not
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> I agree czajkowski. Looked like Frew stuck his hand in Dylan's gob though ;-)
[11:07] <czajkowski> Ferris hah
[11:08] <czajkowski> still no need to bite
[11:08] <czajkowski> doesnt set an example to young players
[11:08] <czajkowski> especially at international level
[11:08] <czajkowski> anyways we played shite and ye deserved to win
[11:08] <czajkowski> no doubt there
[11:08] <AlanBell> can't taste good either
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Eww, muddy Paddy :-(
[11:09] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:10] <davmor2> morning Funksters
[11:10]  * davmor2 gives czajkowski a hug
[11:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: morning
[11:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: elo elo
[11:12] <s-fox> o/ davmor2 bigcalm
[11:12] <bigcalm> Hullo
[11:13]  * bigcalm noms some nommy poptarts
[11:16] <davmor2> hello s-fox bigcalm
[11:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's things down sowff
[11:16] <s-fox> How are you ?
[11:17] <czajkowski> davmor2: good thanks busy but loving it
[11:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: you managing to zero you're inbox?
[11:18] <czajkowski> yes
[11:19] <bigcalm> ctrl+a del
[11:20] <davmor2> mrevell: czajkowski hasn't got enough work she is zeroing her inbox :D
[11:20] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:20] <czajkowski> davmor2: you little fecker!
[11:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: are you joining us tomorrow?
[11:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: tomorrow yes not sure about tonight 3 release to test :(
[11:21] <bigcalm> Aye
[11:21] <bigcalm> Thought it would be tight for you tonight
[11:23] <bigcalm> Not to worry, Adam Sweet will provide the constant chatter ;)
[11:23] <davmor2> hahaha and don't forget to stay till the very end so you are really tired on thursday :D
[11:24] <popey> you should do a sponsored silence of davmor2 for charity
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: I don't like any charities enough to do that :P
[11:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's the danger. But as I'm not giving any lifts this week, will try to leave earlier
[11:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: you won't you'll stay till at least half leave :D
[11:32] <bigcalm> I'm going to have food at least!
[11:32] <bigcalm> Will try and have something other than steak today
[11:35] <bigcalm> Got my red V5C today. I preferred the look of the blue one
[11:35] <BigRedS> yeah, the red ones feel less officious
[11:36] <DJones> popey: Game have just confirmed they're going into administration, got your games just in time
[11:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: Yay made you snap man if I'd of known that's all it took :D
[11:48] <oimon> how can i use sed on a csv file to add a column when there is a match on a string?
[11:48] <oimon> the column is at the end of the line
[11:55] <AlanBell> christel: friday pub lunch?
[11:57] <christel> yessir!
[11:57] <christel> i am all for that
[11:58]  * TheOpenSourcerer too.
[12:01] <christel> \o/
[12:07] <davmor2> Man I need to start my scrolling catch up from where I left off and not skip lines,  all I saw then was christel 's yessir! i am all for that and then TheOpenSourcerer saying too,  I missed AlanBell 's line though :D now it all makes sense
[12:09] <AlanBell> pub \o/
[12:09] <AlanBell> now, which one?
[12:09] <directhex> lamb & flag!
[12:09] <AlanBell> Shepherd and Flock?
[12:09] <davmor2> AlanBell: for now I'd go with one that sells food :)
[12:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lord Nelson
[12:10] <christel> davmor2: haha
[12:10] <christel> ooh i have never been in the shepherd & flock
[12:10] <AlanBell> whut??
[12:10] <christel> well.. since it's just like down the road from me i always think i should nip in
[12:11] <christel> but then i think that i'd get drunk and then become roadkill when attempting to make my way back home!
[12:11] <christel> :D
[12:11] <christel> i do like the nelson mind
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> There are tunnels
[12:11] <christel> oooh
[12:11] <AlanBell> :) there is a tunnel
[12:11] <christel> i had no idea!
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> I haven't been to the Nelson for ages...
[12:11] <AlanBell> you don't actually want to cross the road there! That would be a *bad* plan.
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> A recent report said good things about it.
[12:12] <AlanBell> the Nelson went all modern and minimalist
[12:12] <christel> AlanBell: see! i have always wondered how people (on foot) came/went to/from the shepherd and flock without well, dying :x
[12:12] <christel> i had no idea there were tunnels!
[12:13] <christel> i havent been to the nelson for a while
[12:13] <christel> is it long since they did it up?
[12:13] <AlanBell> hmm, the nelson website looks like it has been put back the way it was, I am sure they painted the whole thing white including the beams
[12:14] <AlanBell> http://nelsonarms.co.uk/pub_evening_menu.htm looks dark and cosy again
[12:14] <arsen> hm
[12:14] <arsen> long train ride for lunch :<
[12:15]  * TheOpenSourcerer looks at this page instead: http://nelsonarms.co.uk/ales.htm
[12:15] <arsen> priorities ^^
[12:15] <davmor2> christel: when you say you do like the nelson....Half or Full?
[12:15] <christel> oh! you are looking for premises -- you should take over the plough and then you could like do your geekery upstairs and turn the downstairs into a real ale place!
[12:16]  * christel nods
[12:16] <christel> and then i can spend all day there drinking beer and doing my work
[12:18] <popey> do they have wifi?
[12:18] <christel> arsen: but so worth it for the exquisite company!
[12:18] <popey> ☺
[12:19] <christel> popey: the nelson? or the plough? i'm not sure about the nelson, the plough does (but the food is a bit rubbish)
[12:19] <christel> i still think we should copy the wolverhamptoners and do a monthly (or forthnightly) "working in the same place" day/thing!
[12:20] <AlanBell> christel: we are looking at a couple of office places on Friday morning
[12:20] <christel> ooh exciting! in town or elsewhere?
[12:21] <AlanBell> in town
[12:21] <christel> cool
[12:21] <AlanBell> just some serviced offices initially
[12:22] <christel> *nod*
[12:22] <popey> that would be fab
[12:22] <popey> and cheaper than the 30 quid a day or so I pay to go to london
[12:23] <christel> :)
[12:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Sure it will be cheaper ;-)
[12:41] <christel> you should get a Big office so that there's room for me and my laptop now and again when i develop cabin fever!
[12:41]  * christel nods
[12:41] <christel> in return i'll pretend to be your receptionist and answer the phone and make tea!
[12:41]  * TheOpenSourcerer doesn't drink tea. *EVAH*
[12:42] <christel> well i'll er, serve beer!
[12:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> coffee works.
[12:43] <christel> coffee! i can do coffee
[12:44] <christel> the postman just came to deliver a parcel and said he had "loads more parcels for you at work but i couldn't bring them on my bike so i'll come back out with the van this afternoon" i bet he wouldn't have remembered that if my name was john smith!
[12:44] <christel> :x
[12:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dell & Ubuntu Cloud news: http://blog.canonical.com/
[12:46] <Dave2> beer > coffee
[12:47] <christel> Dave2: i dunno, i tend to prefer coffee before noon
[12:47] <BigRedS> yeah, beer doesn't work so well with breakfast
[12:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Guiness is OK though.
[12:48] <Dave2> christel: but it's afternoon!
[12:48]  * Dave2 just doesn't really like coffee ever.
[12:49] <awilkins> re: offices ; Manchester has desks on the second floor of Madlab
[12:49] <christel> awilkins: bit of a commute from farnham :(
[12:50] <awilkins> A shame :)
[12:52] <awilkins> I may have a big gingerbread latte this PM
[12:52] <awilkins> Tea has not kindled the neuronic fire this morning
[12:54] <christel> i've never managed to learn to like tea :(
[12:54] <awilkins> I like it without milk or sugar
[12:55] <awilkins> Tea with sugar is vile
[12:55] <awilkins> Learned to like it with no milk when I was a student and had no milk
[12:55] <awilkins> It tastes leafier with no milk
[12:56] <AlanBell> "World Hosting Day" what will they think of next!
[12:56] <Dave2> Tea with sugar is disgusting. I prefer tea with milk, but will drink tea without milk.
[12:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> video games get a tax break
[12:56] <awilkins> Well, that's a welcome thing
[12:57] <awilkins> A shame it will be abused by the likes of EA
[12:57] <awilkins> But hooray for bedroom programmers, etc
[12:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Love it. Osbourne "Will keep Wallace and Grommett right where they belong!" Delivered whilst looking at Balls & Milliband.
[12:58] <AlanBell> awilkins: EA and the like paid for all the lobbying to get the tax break I guess
[12:58] <awilkins> "High end TV production firms" ??
[12:59] <awilkins> Do we actually HAVE any high end TV production firms?
[12:59] <AlanBell> is that code for pr0n?
[12:59] <daubers> More interested in the digital content creators getting tax breaks. Need to re-optimise some storage for them......
[12:59] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, video gamer tax? hooray
[12:59] <awilkins> Ah, content, not hardware
[12:59] <directhex> AlanBell, the uk game development industry had been decimated by canada's beneficial tax rates
[12:59] <gord> no video game tax means games will be cheeper right?
[12:59] <gord> right?
[13:01] <BigRedS> gord: sure
[13:01] <awilkins> "Public sector pay more responsive to local pay rates"
[13:01] <awilkins> Boooo
[13:01] <daubers> gord: Nah, means more video games devs in the UK (they hope)
[13:01] <directhex> daubers, i hope so. in the 90s the uk ruled the world with its home grown development talent
[13:02] <awilkins> I reckon public sector workers are just doing higher skilled jobs (on average) hence their higher (on average) wages
[13:02] <daubers> directhex: yeah, they'll have to do a bit more than tax breaks though. But if educatoin reforms in IT happen, then it might happen
[13:02] <directhex> daubers, indeed. the bbc micro was a big part of it - 80's kids became 90's devs
[13:02] <daubers> directhex: Indeed!
[13:03] <awilkins> Yeah, the environment is very important - today the systems are all too "out of the box" to encourage experimentation
[13:03] <daubers> directhex: Maybe we need some form of hackspace like organisation for computing
[13:03] <awilkins> In the 8 bit era, necessity was the mother of invention - you had to learn a lot about the workings of the machine to use it at all
[13:04] <awilkins> With the 16-bit era and beyond, you could have an experience consisting entirely of prepackaged software if you chose
[13:04] <awilkins> Boo, you didn't remove VAT for eBooks
[13:05] <awilkins> Not that that would reduce prices much, I'm sure
[13:05] <daubers> awilkins: The EU thing will probably do more for that
[13:07] <awilkins> Oh, what a surprise, people up in arms over the Sunday trading exemptions
[13:08] <awilkins> Focus on the real problem, people - the Olympics are a boondoggle that exist solely to line the pockets of transnational corporations....
[13:08] <AlanBell> awilkins: they are, but we can't cancel them now
[13:09] <daubers> awilkins: I don't work for a transnat... but it's certainly giving us quite a fair amount of new income
[13:10] <awilkins> Clegg and Cameron are putting on such a lousy show of being interested
[13:11] <awilkins> No changes to boozetax
[13:12] <awilkins> Hooray, fagtax up
[13:12] <AlanBell> up go the fags, 37p. Good job.
[13:12] <awilkins> Slot machine duty! Hooray
[13:13] <AlanBell> ooh, offshore gambling tax, interesting
[13:13] <awilkins> Will be interesting to see how they enforce it
[13:14] <AlanBell> yeah, that is going to be interesting, if we start taxing American casinos
[13:14] <christel> yes! tax those indians running casinos in the states!
[13:14] <christel> (indian as in native american thar)
[13:15] <awilkins> You could probably implement it by making people transferring money to online gamblers extract the tax at point of payment
[13:15] <awilkins> Credit card companies, PayPal, etc
[13:15] <awilkins> Well, he's certainly saying the right things
[13:15] <awilkins> I almost like him
[13:16] <christel> i dont think i have realised it before but george osbourne looks like he is 12
[13:16] <awilkins> I bet people are flocking to the shops to buy fags as we speak
[13:16] <christel> (it's quite cute)
[13:17] <awilkins> A smart shopkeeper is probably marking them up by 15p right now
[13:28] <arsen> cant help but like the budget :x
[13:29] <AlanBell> where are they getting the money though?
[13:30] <arsen> not sure, we'll see when it's all analysed i guess.
[13:31] <awilkins> RIch people, allegedly
[13:31] <arsen> gogogo someone write a budget calculator :D
[13:34] <awilkins> Whenever I think about these things I want to write a cellular automaton thing that simulates the economy
[13:35] <popey> s/economy/universe/
[13:36] <AlanBell> what did he do on fuel?
[13:36] <awilkins> Nothing
[13:36] <gord> pretty sure this is what they do the budget calculations on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXsjzcC4Jdw&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s
[13:37]  * popey gives gord another video bug
[13:37] <popey> bug 961161
[13:42] <awilkins> "Nod if you're going to benefit from the income tax cut! Come on!"
[13:42] <awilkins> Hahahahaha
[13:44] <arsen> its kinda stupid really
[13:45] <arsen> this debate should of ended when osborne sat down, we could of had hundreds of MP hours to do something productive now.
[13:45] <arsen> osborne could of said anything and the labour response speech would of been exactly the same.
[13:47] <AlanBell> not entirely sure that they would do much productive if they were allowed out early
[13:47] <arsen> go relay some roads or something?
[13:48] <arsen> maybe give teachers a day off, or help out in a hospital.
[13:48] <arsen> as long as it's nothing where they have any power.
[14:39] <czajkowski> popey: oh ou logged the bug that has been annoying me for the last few weeks
[14:39] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/961161
[14:43] <popey> heh
[14:43] <popey> just done another for gord
[14:43] <popey> bug 961230
[14:49] <nothingspecial> hi greymech
[14:49] <nothingspecial> lol
[14:53] <nothingspecial> I'll try hi greymech again
[14:54] <greymech> Hi, sorry I was switching back to channel U+1 to see if there was any activity there.  I am trying to organise myself to share in QA testing for 12.10. We have yet to establish a comunication pattern. Early days I think.
[14:56] <gord> davmor2, beta2 tomorrow :) so no not this time
[14:57] <nothingspecial> Thinks seem to be coming along though greymech :)
[14:58] <greymech> O, yes, this time. I have been using 12.04 daily since November. I have ran some of the Checkbox tests.  But I am thinking of being more involved next time.
[14:59] <popey> czajkowski: you gonna confirm that bug then? ☺
[15:00] <nothingspecial> They can always use testers greymech, it's nice to see more and more people getting involved. The +1 forum and it's members have been doing sterling work
[15:01] <czajkowski> popey: done
[15:03] <czajkowski> gord: darling dearest
[15:03] <gord> lemme alone
[15:04] <czajkowski> pretty please
[15:04] <czajkowski> I shall bring you oddles of bickies and tea at uds
[15:04] <greymech> I have been accepted on the U+1 testing team.  And the U+1 wiki is starting to look great and useful. The more that I have learnt about QA more more I notice how much is being done by so few people.
[15:04] <popey> greymech: there's a U+1 testing team? ☺
[15:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Kubuntu and the state of free consumer software - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4547
[15:05] <gord> czajkowski, i have about a million things to fix already ;) i think you'll have more success letting the bug go through the normal methods
[15:06] <bigcalm> When somebody sends you an email which should have an attachment but doesn't, how long do you wait before replying to say that they forgot to add an attachment?
[15:07] <greymech> Oh, yes. [I am starting to sound like that nodding dog in the insurance advert - Uk only] Here is the address to our wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1
[15:08] <nothingspecial> congratulations on making the team greymech
[15:09] <greymech> We are available for hire. We do anything for a few bikkies : )
[15:10] <czajkowski> popey: the tagline Linux for human beings has been gone a long time now hasn't it or am I imaging it ?
[15:11] <directhex> also gone for a long time: naked wallpaper
[15:11] <bigcalm> Boo
[15:11] <bigcalm> Was the wallpaper that bad?
[15:11] <bigcalm> It didn't even hint at anything
[15:11] <directhex> no, that's still there
[15:11] <directhex>        boo | 0.9.5~git20110729.r1.202a430-1 | precise/universe | source, all
[15:11] <popey> czajkowski: correct
[15:11] <directhex> see, we still ship boo.
[15:11]  * bigcalm tickles directhex
[15:12] <bigcalm> !info boo
[15:12] <czajkowski> popey: and the new tagline is ?
[15:12] <directhex> czajkowski, linux for mark shuttleworth
[15:12]  * directhex flees
[15:12] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:12] <czajkowski> popey: just wondering as still seeing a lot of people quote it as their signature and also as the tagline for Ubuntu
[15:13] <popey> people have long memories
[15:13] <popey> and the internet never forgets
[15:13] <popey> we dont have one anymore
[15:13] <popey> greymech: do the U+1 team work with the ubuntu testing team?
[15:13] <czajkowski> directhex: back in yer box smartie pants
[15:18] <awilkins> Game are going into administration, what a surprise
[15:18] <greymech> I think that some of those in Ubuntu+1 section, who have worked hard testing over the years, felt a little left out of Ubuntu QA as they did not exist except for the bugs they reported. The setting up of this team is meant to correct that, IMO. It also has the purpose of showing ordinary users how they too can get involved (safely and easily) in testing according to their skill level and desire. I would like to see the U+1 team become like a doorway fo
[15:18] <greymech> r the Ubuntu QA team to get access to the wider community.
[15:21] <popey> greymech: what kind of testing are you guys proposing people do out of interest?
[15:26] <greymech> popey: the U+1 team is official but it started just a couple of weeks ago. This is why, as a team we are aiming for 12.10. We are aiming to get information as to what each team member wants and is able to test. The idea is that then invites can be sent out as a testing need arises.
[15:28] <BigRedS> Does being part of some sort of testing team increase the likelihood of bugs getting attention?
[15:28] <popey> greymech: how did it start?
[15:29] <popey> I mean, did someone just go "lets make a team" and create a wiki page?
[15:31]  * popey notes he does some internal testing on ubuntu at canonical so has an interest in this team
[15:34] <greymech> popey: I posted a link on Ubuntu+1 to Marks blog where he goes on about QA and does not not mention Ubuntu+1. He mentions everyone else it seems. So, a comment is posted to Mark to the effect of saying: Hey, what about us. Then guitara starts posting in Ubuntu+1 invites for various testing needs and then next thing I see is effenburger0x0 and cariboo907 posting about the U+1 Testing team and wiki.
[15:36] <popey> greymech: when you say "does not mention Ubuntu+1." does that mean the irc channel #Ubuntu+1 ?
[15:37] <nothingspecial> popey, ubuntu forums +1 section
[15:37] <nothingspecial> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=412
[15:37] <popey> ah okay, forums.
[15:38] <nothingspecial> a good deal of user testing goes on/is discussed/ worked on there popey
[15:38] <popey> nothingspecial: what kind of testing?
[15:39] <nothingspecial> all sorts, I believe the team is an attempt to co-ordinate it
[15:39] <nothingspecial> ballons will post testing requests there for example
[15:40] <greymech> popey: while we are on this subject some of us have noticed that the installation slideshow refers to askubuntu but not ubuntu forums. We get a bit tribal over this or call it loyalty.
[15:40] <nothingspecial> greymech, this has been discussed a lot already btw
[15:40] <nothingspecial> not here though I suppose
[15:41] <bigcalm> :)
[15:41] <popey> greymech: yep, and now someone has posted a "fix" which removes askubuntu and puts ubuntuforums link in ☹
[15:42] <greymech> nothingspecial: I expect so. Things do get talked about. See, what I mean about tribal?
[15:43] <nothingspecial> Well we are trying to move forward greymech :)
[15:43] <nothingspecial> and we are :D
[15:44] <nothingspecial> The U+1 team is part of it
[15:45] <greymech> They are two different sites with two different approaches. Both are beneficial.
[15:47] <s-fox> popey, As you know I have sent the developer a revised slide that lists ask ubuntu, launchpad answers and the forums as support avenues. The slide also cycles through the logos for the sites
[15:47] <popey> s-fox: is that in now?
[15:49] <s-fox> I sent the code last week, got a quick email back thanking me for sending it on. I have heard nothing back since I sent the code over, I actually sent an email on Monday asking for a status update.
[15:49] <s-fox> ^ popey
[15:50] <popey> cool, be good to get that sorted.
[15:51] <s-fox> I would just upload the revision myself but I am not sure how to get it into the main trunk
[15:51] <popey> create a branch, do a merge proposal
[15:52] <popey> he just has to approve it
[15:58] <s-fox> Ohh, I'll see if I can do that later tonight after my run.
[15:59] <s-fox> Thanks popey
[16:32] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[16:33] <BigRedS> g'morning brobostigon!
[16:33] <brobostigon> hi BigRedS
[16:37] <BigRedS> Morning! How's it going?
[16:39] <brobostigon> BigRedS:  alittle tired, a long few days. tiring, and you?
[16:43] <BigRedS> brobostigon: heh, rather similar!
[16:44] <brobostigon> BigRedS: ohwell. :(
[16:47] <BigRedS> On the plus side, it's hometime! :)
[16:47] <brobostigon> :)
[17:11] <bigcalm> EeePC 1000 - 32 or 64 bit?
[17:12] <bigcalm> 32 :(
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> yeah it's from long ago
[17:16] <bigcalm> Going to try installing 12.04 beta1 at tonight's lug meeting in the pub
[17:17] <popey> haha
[17:17]  * bigcalm grabs the ISO
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> beta1 or today's daily?
[17:17] <bigcalm> Oh
[17:17] <bigcalm> Erm
[17:17] <popey> do you have network access there?
[17:17] <bigcalm> Daily appears to be the URL I'm on
[17:17] <bigcalm> popey: yet
[17:17] <bigcalm> popey: yes
[17:17] <popey> do your updates
[17:18] <popey> and if you're interested ... sudo add-apt-repository ppa:unity-team/ppa
[17:18] <popey> to get latest crack :D
[17:18] <popey> and test it!
[17:18] <Dave2> I have a fully licensed version of Unity, I don't need to crack it
[17:18] <bigcalm> Should I get beta1 or today's daily?
[17:18] <AlanBell> daily
[17:19] <CraigSnr> daily
[17:19] <bigcalm> Good, as that's just finished downloading
[17:19] <AlanBell> and install with orca running and your eyes closed :)
[17:19] <bigcalm> What's the prog to make a bootable SD card?
[17:19] <AlanBell> ctrl + s when you hear the drums
[17:20] <AlanBell> startup disk creator
[17:20] <bigcalm> This is on my eeepc1000, I just want to see if it works :)
[17:20] <bigcalm> Ta
[17:24]  * bigcalm finds some 'interesting' files on the SD card and wonders how they got there
[17:25] <gord> SD card fairy
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "family videos" from the bedroom?
[17:26] <bigcalm> ms office 2010 and key
[17:26] <bigcalm> Both legitimate copies from the MSPN, just forgot about them
[17:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm guessing here bit torrent :D
[17:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: damn you answering before I got chance to :P
[17:27] <bigcalm> :P
[17:27] <popey> i borrowed a usb stick from someones desk once and found there was a torrented film on it, quite old, clearly been there a while
[17:27] <popey> so i renamed it goat_porn.avi
[17:27] <Dave2> Oh, it was YOU who did that
[17:27] <bigcalm> \o/
[17:27] <popey> and put it back in their drawer
[17:28] <popey> someone else borrowed it weeks later.. "hey, what's this!"
[17:28] <popey> "click it!"
[17:28] <popey> "No way"
[17:28] <popey> etc
[17:36] <bigcalm> Taking its time with 'Creating a persistence file...'
[17:36] <bigcalm> It's been at 100% for several mins with the progress bar bouncing back and forth
[17:37] <popey> i wouldnt bother
[17:37] <popey> (creating a persistence file) that is
[17:38] <bigcalm> Oh, it was trying to install it on this machine
[17:38] <bigcalm> Gah
[17:41] <bigcalm> Lets start again
[17:46]  * czajkowski now has her bookmarks in some sort of decent order
[17:46] <czajkowski> finally!
[17:46] <czajkowski> it's the small things in life that really make me happy!
[18:03] <awilkins> It's getting anything done at all. Dopamine rewards.
[18:03] <awilkins> It's how WoW make their money...
[18:03]  * awilkins is responding to somehting from a quarter hour ago....
[18:05] <OmNomDePlume> awilkins, more likely you're talking in the future.
[18:07] <awilkins> 5 minutes for a "Precise" ISO, I like 30Mbit/s
[18:07] <awilkins> New Dr Who companion .... not very interesting. Cute. But not very interesting.
[18:11] <bigcalm> TV needs more red-heads!
[18:13] <awilkins> Redhead Squad! Comprised of Alicia Witt, Christina Hendricks, Karen Gillan and Lauren Ambrose. They report to their boss, Julianne Moore.
[18:15] <awilkins> They battle the likes of Lindsay Lohan, Damian Lewis, and Tilda Swinton
[18:16] <awilkins> Gah, annoying thing about flash player in Linux ; it un-fullscreens when focus shifts to another window
[18:16] <awilkins> Doesn't do this in Windows
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: link? :)
[18:47] <dwatkins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17456505 this, MartijnVdS?
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: ah, yes
[18:49] <dwatkins> I shall reserve judgement until seeing her in an episode of Doctor Who
[18:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: and you're about to lose one muhahahahahaha
[19:19] <christel> AlanBell: did we settle for a pub yet? :)
[19:25] <AlanBell> not entirely
[19:25] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer wanted to go to the Nelson
[19:26] <AlanBell> I kind of like the idea of sitting out in the sun at the Shepherd and Flock, but if it isn't sunny then the Nelson is nice
[19:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not that fussed. But Nelson is somewhere haven't been in years. Have been to the S&F before but hey ho.
[19:55] <akgraner> hi all  - on the advice of AlanBell (yep I'm throwing you under the bus :-P) who suggested I as you all - where in the UK can someone physically go to or purchase online a laptop which comes pre-loaded with Ubuntu?
[19:56] <popey> hahahahahahahahahaah
[19:57] <popey> mind if I ask why?
[19:57] <popey> personally I'd buy a thinkpad and wipe it
[19:58] <akgraner> b/c I have someone over there who is trying to buy a computer with Ubuntu on it
[19:58] <akgraner> and my advice was the same as your popey
[19:58] <akgraner> which is exactly what did
[19:59] <akgraner> not sure why they think they need to purchase it with Ubuntu on it
[20:00] <apacheuk> popey, finally got my hands on one today, think I'm gonna purchase one... but will have to wait till I've moved house
[20:00] <popey> i expect that in the very near future this problem will be solved
[20:01] <popey> until then, either buy a blank machine or buy a machine other people have
[20:01] <popey> hence thinkpad ☺
[20:02] <akgraner> I <3 my thinkpad - well minus the race condition I hit for time to time with overheating - :-)
[20:02] <apacheuk> even the HP guy at work said it was a nice machine
[20:02] <akgraner> but I had the same thing happen with my Dell and my HP - so I think it's something I am doing, but can't figure out what yet
[20:02] <Azelphur> akgraner: there are a lot of laptops preloaded with Ubuntu on ebay
[20:02] <akgraner> Azelphur, yep but this person wants to be able to see it before they buy it :-/
[20:03] <Azelphur> ah, so physical store?
[20:03] <akgraner> I don't know anyone who who doesn't buy the hardware they want, blow away what may or may not be there and just install what they want
[20:03] <popey> akgraner: I'll happily sell them one ☺
[20:03] <Azelphur> yea, that's what I do
[20:03] <akgraner> isn't that half the beauty of using Linux :-)
[20:03] <zleap> hello
[20:04] <davmor2> akgraner: are you using it?  if so that'll be the issue,  try switching it off and using it as a door stop I bet it doesn't over heat then ;)
[20:04]  * popey has an idea
[20:04] <Azelphur> akgraner: if they just want to see what Ubuntu is like perhaps get them to install virtualbox
[20:04] <Azelphur> and try it out
[20:05] <Azelphur> akgraner: https://www.system76.com/ sell preloaded Ubuntu laptops too
[20:05] <akgraner> yep - but they want someone there in the UK
[20:06]  * akgraner wants to just bang her head against the wall :-)  this may cause her to drink heavily tonight
[20:06] <Azelphur> haha
[20:07] <Azelphur> akgraner: just tell her straight, her conditions are too difficult there's nothing that meets the requirements, she'll need to drop at least one condition.
[20:07] <davmor2> akgraner: most of the people that started selling laptops in the uk with Ubuntu on stopped due to lack of interest
[20:07] <Azelphur> akgraner: also btw, if you buy a laptop with Windows on it, you can sometimes get a refund for Windows if you have no intention of using it
[20:07] <akgraner> it's not a her :-)
[20:08] <Azelphur> oh ok then, just tell "it" :P
[20:08]  * Azelphur runs
[20:08] <akgraner> hehe
[20:08] <akgraner> no worries
[20:08] <akgraner> it's all good
[20:08] <Azelphur> :D
[20:08] <Azelphur> akgraner: but yea, best thing to do really is fire up a Ubuntu VM have him check it out and then buy a laptop and put Ubuntu on it
[20:08] <Azelphur> or buy a preloaded one if you really have to
[20:08] <akgraner> I <3 the uk loco team - makes me consider moving there
[20:09] <Azelphur> :D
[20:09] <zleap> according  to the ubuntu print cups thingy my printer ink is empty, according to the printer there is ink free  i can print from windows and from the printer
[20:11] <zleap> any ideas?
[20:16] <zleap> hi
[21:26] <mattt> evening
[22:09] <jacobw> evening
[22:21] <popey> yo


[01:08] <miken> I have a unit which *should* be in an error state (juju log shows an error in the charm resulting in config-changed failing), but the unit isn't in an error state... anyone familiar with that?
[01:08] <miken> More details on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1494542
[01:08] <mup> Bug #1494542: unit does not go to error state <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1494542>
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> How can I check what hooks have been called on a particular unit?
[13:29] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, status-history seems to do it.
[13:30] <Odd_Bloke> So I'm trying to test leader election/failover of a service with three units.
[13:30] <Odd_Bloke> (N.B. We're not using normal leader election yet)
[13:31] <Odd_Bloke> I stopped the instance running the leader; Juju has noticed (in `juju status`) but hasn't done anything to notify any of the other units in the service.
[13:32] <Odd_Bloke> I would expect at least a relation broken or departed hook to be fired, but I'm not seeing that happen.
[13:33] <Odd_Bloke> Does anyone know what I could do to investigate?
[13:37] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke, the leader-elected hook runs on the unit that becomes the new leader juju elected
[13:37] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke, there's only one way to truly know, is thats exposed via the is_leader check
[13:37] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: Couple of questions: (a) these units have a cluster relationship; am I wrong to expect the broken/departed hook on that relationship to be triggered?
[13:38] <Odd_Bloke> Crap, I forgot what (b) was going to be.
[13:38] <lazypower> well context here... let me scope this as someone not familiar with what you've done
[13:40] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: So the broad context is that we were using "lowest numbered unit is the leader" logic in the ubuntu-repository-cache charm.
[13:40] <lazypower> so, leadership hooks run when leadership changes occur. leader_elected is always run on the leader, and if is_leader = true, take action. If you need to send data over the cluster relation, do so out of band relation-set -r # foo=bar  - otherwise you get nothing really for free with this aside from juju picking your leader, and exposing a few primitives for that. leader-set (i need to double check this) can be used to send data to all the subo
[13:40] <lazypower> rdinates
[13:40] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: We updated charmhelpers (to fix another bug) without noticing that the leader stuff ahd been pulled in.
[13:41] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: So at the moment I'm trying to jerry-rig the "lowest numbered unit is the leader" logic back in (to fix existing deployments).
[13:41] <lazypower> That sounds troublesome
[13:41] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: And then we will look at moving forward to proper leader election.
[13:42] <lazypower> also keep in mind leadership functions landed in 1.23 - so anything < (eg: whats shipping in archive) will not work w/ leadership functions
[13:42] <lazypower> i ran into this with the etcd charm
[13:42] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, that's part of the reason we aren't moving straight forward to leadership election.
[13:42] <lazypower> the charm just blatantly enters error state, sets status, and complains loudly in the logs if you're using < minimum version.
[13:43] <pmatulis> is this the only place where users can look in order to choose a tools version to upgrade to? https://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/releases/
[13:43] <Odd_Bloke> Because we need to take stock of where this is deployed, and maybe manage them through a Juju upgrade.
[13:43] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: But I was surprised that one or both of cluster-{broken,departed} weren't called on other units in the service when I stopped the machine running another unit.
[13:44] <lazypower> broken.departed are implicit actions during the relation-destroy cycle
[13:44] <lazypower> i dont think they get called when the machine is just stopped
[13:44] <Odd_Bloke> OK.
[13:45] <lazypower> pmatulis, might want to try asking that in #dev - i dont think they monitor #juju as actively as the eco peeps.
[13:45] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: So in a pre-leadership-election world, how do you get notified of/handle a machine going AWOL?
[13:45] <tvansteenburgh1> that is surprising if true lazypower
[13:46] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke, to be completely honest, i dont think we did, because there was no good way to handle it without an implicit action causing a hook to be fired. The work around to something like this is use DNS and hide everything behind load balancers.
[13:46] <lazypower> tvansteenburgh, i've shot a few services in the aws control panel and never saw a broken/departed hook fire
[13:47] <lazypower> this might be a regression i witnessed
[13:47] <lazypower> here, i'll stand up an etcd cluster, scale to 4 nodes and kill of 1
[13:48] <tvansteenburgh> Odd_Bloke: i'd ask about that in #juju-dev too
[13:48] <lazypower> lets test this theory on 1.24.5 and see if it behaves as we expect
[13:48] <tvansteenburgh> if you don't i will
[13:48] <lazypower> bootstrapping, should be g2g in ~ 8
[13:48] <tvansteenburgh> lazypower: cool, i'll wait :)
[13:48] <lazypower> i mean the more we talk about this
[13:49] <lazypower> yeha it seems like a big oversight
[13:49] <lazypower> so i'm hoping i witnessed oddity in one environment, or mis-remembering
[13:49] <mthaddon> hi folks, can someone help me with the juju local provider on vivid with 1.24.5 (i386)? I was running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1441319, set the mtu as advised, and am now getting "container failed to start and was destroyed"
[13:49] <mup> Bug #1441319: intermittent: failed to retrieve the template to clone: template container juju-trusty-lxc-template did not stop <canonical-bootstack> <cisco> <cpec> <deployer> <landscape> <lxc> <oil> <regression> <systemd> <upstart> <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441319>
[13:51] <cherylj> hi mthaddon, there was another issue where the local provider wasn't working on vivid.  Let me double check that it was fixed in 1.24.5
[13:51] <mthaddon> cherylj: great, thanks
[13:53] <cherylj> mthaddon: in the meantime, can you get the contents of /var/log juju/containers/juju-trusty-lxc-template/console.log into pastebin or something for me to look at?
[13:54] <mthaddon> cherylj: is that from one of the instances in the environment? I don't see that on my local machine
[13:55] <cherylj> mthaddon: it should be on your system if you're running the local provider.
[13:55] <mthaddon> cherylj: https://pastebin.canonical.com/139636/
[13:55] <pmatulis> lazypower: alrighty
[13:56] <mthaddon> er, I mean http://paste.ubuntu.com/12338803/ as some in this channel won't be able to see the one above
[13:56] <cherylj> mthaddon: sorry!  it's in /var/lib/juju/containers
[13:56] <cherylj> muscle memory of going to /var/log/juju
[13:56] <mthaddon> cherylj: that's a 0 byte file on my machine :/
[13:58] <cherylj> mthaddon: okay, let me take a quick look at 1.24.5
[14:03] <cherylj> mthaddon: if you unset the mtu and try to bootstrap again, can you see if that console.log file gets created?
[14:03] <cherylj> the setting of the mtu was for that very specific environment in that bug
[14:03] <mthaddon> sure, gimme a few mins - was pulled into a call, but will get to it soon
[14:04] <cherylj> mthaddon: np, I'm going to spin up a vivid machine and see if I can recreate
[14:16] <mthaddon> cherylj: removed and still getting "container failed to start and was destroyed", but this time I have logs - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12339144/
[14:17] <mthaddon> "Incomplete AppArmor support in your kernel. If you really want to start this container, set lxc.aa_allow_incomplete = 1 in your container configuration file"
[14:18] <mwenning> lazypower, good morning
[14:18] <lazypower> mwenning, o/
[14:19] <mwenning> lazypower, any ideas from my pastebin?
[14:19] <lazypower> mwenning, honestly, haven't had a chance to take a look - let me wrap up this debug session im' doing for Odd_Bloke  and i'll take another look
[14:20] <mwenning> lazypower, k no hurry
[14:20] <lazypower> tvansteenburgh, ok a 7 node etcd cluter just settled.... i wont get into why its 7 nodes large.
[14:20] <lazypower> but it rhymes with i'm impatient
[14:21] <lazypower> tvansteenburgh, Odd_Bloke - aggreable method on testing this is to just terminate the machin ein the AWS control panel?
[14:21] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: I was doing this on GCE and stopped rather than terminated; but yes, that sounds reasonable.
[14:22] <lazypower> ok state server received an EOF from the unit in question, no action taken so far
[14:23] <cherylj> mthaddon: I haven't seen that error before.  Let me poke around a bit more.
[14:23]  * mthaddon nods
[14:25] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke, 3 minutes in and no action taken. Unless it suddenly decides to execute those hooks i think my assertion stands that it does nothing for you without an implicit breaking action.
[14:26] <Odd_Bloke> Right.
[14:26] <Odd_Bloke> And that is expected behaviour?
[14:26] <lazypower> i dont know that i would expect it to do that
[14:26] <lazypower> i think the state server should do its dilligence to run the broken/departed hooks on that units relations until it comes back
[14:27] <lazypower> tvansteenburgh, ^
[14:30] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke, also - you cannot terminate the machine via conventional means - juju destroy-machine # --force just to get it out of the enlistment makes it go away, however the units departed/borken hooks do not run
[14:30] <lazypower> so we still have possible broken config left around in the cluster
[14:30] <Odd_Bloke> Blargh.
[14:31] <lazypower> so, looks like we found a pretty gnarly case that we need to file for
[14:31] <lazypower> get it on the docket to be looked at
[14:31] <Odd_Bloke> OK, well at least I'm not going crazy. :p
[14:35] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1494782
[14:35] <mup> Bug #1494782: should *-broken *-departed hooks run when a unit goes AWOL? <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1494782>
[14:36] <lazypower> Anything you can add here would be great, as i'm not sure i did a great explanation of the problem domain
[14:36] <lazypower> mwenning, looking now
[14:37] <lazypower> mwenning, the invalid config items strike me as the first issue -  deployer.deploy: Invalid config charm ceph osd-devices=/tmp/ceph0
[14:38] <mwenning> lazypower, I was assuming those would go away once it could find the local ceph charm.
[14:39] <mwenning> lazypower, the bundle was exported from a running juju session
[14:40] <cherylj> mgz, I'm looking at the artifacts for bug 1494356, and I only see the container information for the juju-trusty-lxc-template container.
[14:40] <mup> Bug #1494356: OS-deployer job fails to complete <blocker> <ci> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1494356>
[14:40] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: So if I wanted to get those hooks to fire, what do I do?  juju remove-unit?
[14:41] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke, i was trying to figure that out and by destroying the machine it removed the unit
[14:41] <lazypower> so it effectivel blocked me from doing anything to reconfigure the service
[14:42] <mgz> cherylj: I think we have some namespace collision issues
[14:42] <cherylj> mgz: I was wondering if that was the issue.
[14:42] <mgz> cherylj: the logs are named the same thing and dir isn't preserved
[14:43] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: Ah, yes, remove-unit has triggered cluster-relation-departed
[14:43] <lazypower> well that helps
[14:44]  * mwenning is rebooting after a kernel update...
[14:44] <lazypower> ack mwak
[14:44] <lazypower> er
[14:44] <lazypower> misping
[14:45] <mgz> cherylj: what else is in those dirs apart from logs?
[14:45] <mgz> cherylj: wondering if I can just archive the complete dirs
[14:47] <cherylj> mgz: the logs and the cloud config for cloud init.  Nothing too large
[14:53] <lazypower> mwenning, ok, lets see if we cant iron this out. When you comment out those config directives does the bundle deploy still fail by not finding the charm?
[14:57]  * mwenning is waiting for juju to bootstrap
[15:00] <lazypower> mwenning, also which version of juju-deployer are you running?
[15:09] <mgz> cherylj: I updated the logging, there's a CI run in progress though so won't get anything new for a while
[15:09] <cherylj> mgz: thanks!  ping me when it's done and I'll take a look
[15:13] <mwenning> lazypower, juju-deployer 0.5.1-3
[15:23] <lazypower> ok, thats the most recent release of deployer
[15:23]  * lazypower checks off one box
[15:24] <lazypower> Hey, if anybody here is interested in delivering docker app containers with juju - I'd love a review on this PR if you've got time - https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/672
[15:42] <mwenning> lazypower, found at least part of it, waiting for bootstrap again
[16:27] <mwenning> lazypower, the problem was that the charm dirs were named differently than "ceph" and "ceph-dash" .
[16:28] <lazypower> i thought it boiled down tos oemthing like that. Deployer wasn't able to find the charms it was looking for
[16:28] <mwenning> This worked OK with the command-line 'juju deploy', but juju-deployer apparently uses a different way of finding them (?)
[16:28] <lazypower> well cool - glad you sorted it mwenning
[16:29] <lazypower> it does. Deployer creates a cache in $JUJU_HOME
[16:29] <lazypower> and it looks for dir names that match the charms as thats part of proof
[16:29] <lazypower> juju is a bit more forgiving with that, raising a warning that charm_name doesn't match the dir name - but still deploys.
[16:29] <mwenning> lazypower, good to know
[16:51] <pmatulis> i just did 'juju upgrade-juju' and got back < ERROR invalid binary version "1.24.5--amd64" > . indeed i am running juju-core 1.24.5
[16:51] <pmatulis> agents are currently using 1.22.8
[17:13] <Walex> I upgraded Juju from 1.23.3 to 1.24.5 should I also upgrade MAAS from 1.5.4 to 1.7.6 (all this on ULTS 14). Is the MAAS upgrade likely to be pretty painless? It is a provider for Juju.
[17:18] <Walex> pmatulis: I had much the same issue going 1.23.3 to 1.24.5 and things are complicated. Have a look at the recent thread here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.juju.user/2824
[17:41] <pmatulis> Walex: i read it but i don't see my error. i will try being explicit (--version) with a version other than 1.24.5 . i wonder what the rules are for a version to be considered "valid"?
[17:42] <firl> Charles butler on?
[17:52] <Walex> pmatulis: your error is described in the first message
[18:02] <pmatulis> Walex: i don't see it
[18:03] <Walex> pmatulis: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.juju.user/2824
[18:05] <pmatulis> Walex: nothing on 'invalid binary' there
[18:06] <natefinch> marcoceppi: https://github.com/marcoceppi/juju.fail/pull/3
[18:07] <natefinch> marcoceppi: oops, crud, missing a comma
[18:13] <Walex> pmatulis: look a bit harder
[18:13] <Walex> pmatulis: the words "invalid binary" don't indeed appear.
[18:14] <Walex> pmatulis: it is your own choice to look for those words.
[18:18] <Walex> pmatulis: look for ""1.24.5--amd64"
[18:21] <firl> Anyone know how to change the “http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com “ mirror for installed unit packages?
[18:25] <pmatulis> Walex: yes, i see that. i'm assuming my error is the same then
[18:25] <lazypower> firl, Hello
[18:25] <firl> hey lazypower
[18:25] <lazypower> i believe you're looking for me?
[18:26] <firl> Didn’t realize you were the person emailing, was just going to say thanks for sending me the links to the .md files for the docker layer
[18:26] <lazypower> Anytime!
[18:26] <lazypower> Really excited to get your feedback there
[18:29] <firl> Yeah, It might be a few weeks, but the hope is to wrap some of our servies into that layer, I am interested to see how easy it works with a private docker hub
[18:30] <lazypower> If you find any bugs that you need sorted to support that, feel free to file them on the GH repo for the docker layer and we will so our best. There's a todo item for charming up the private registry and adding relation stubs to support configuration ootb
[18:30] <lazypower> so it may not do what you need just yet without some manual intervention
[18:34] <firl> gotcha; I will see how far I can get. One of the requirements is to put a virtual bridge between a physical nic into docker. So I might have to contribute some stuffs anyways
[19:46] <blahdeblah> Hi all.  Can anyone point me to an example charm which makes use of leader election?
[19:54] <lazypower> blahdeblah, we use the leader election bits in etcd - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubernetes/charms/trusty/etcd/trunk/view/head:/hooks/hooks.py#L36
[19:54] <lazypower> its pretty simplistic however
[19:54] <blahdeblah> lazypower: simplistic is what I want for now - thanks :-)
[20:37] <natefinch> ahasenac, dpb1_: note that a fix to 1486553 has landed in 1.24
[20:37] <natefinch> er ahasenack ^
[20:37] <dpb1_> natefinch: that is fantastic
[20:37] <natefinch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1486553
[20:37] <mup> Bug #1486553: i/o timeout errors can cause non-atomic service deploys <cisco> <landscape> <juju-core:In Progress by natefinch> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Committed by natefinch> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486553>
[20:39] <dpb1_> natefinch: will there be another half landed in 1.24, or will that part be in 1.25?
[20:39] <natefinch> dpb1_: figuring that out now.  The other half is a little more tricky, so we may put it into 1.25 instead
[20:40] <dpb1_> natefinch: ok, understood


[02:37] <mccanless> New to ubuntu -- can't install ubuntustudio or any of the derivitives I have tried.  Boots from DVD, shows menu, then quits after any item is clicked
[02:38] <mccanless> Need help.
[13:17] <AppAraat> hello, is Parole Media Player not supposed to appear in Ladish?
[13:37] <studio-user116> JOIN
[21:30] <Pablo_> hello
[21:31] <Pablo_> since one month ago I have a noise in my recordings
[21:31] <Pablo_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6r8oF4Tflr4ZzRYLW84d0k3akE
[21:32] <Pablo_> 4.10.0-33-lowlatency #37-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 11 12:59:32 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:33] <Pablo_> I can play without any kind of problems, but I have that noise in each channel
[21:34] <Pablo_> using jack or using alsa direclty
[21:34] <Pablo_> the sound card is a beheringer umc404HD (class compliant)
[21:34] <Pablo_> https://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Computer-Audio/Audio-Interfaces/UMC404HD/p/P0BK1
[21:37] <Pablo_> I contacted the provider and after the typical "linux is not oficially supported" I was encouraged to try it on windows using the driver
[21:37] <Pablo_> and, it worked properly
[21:38] <Pablo_> so, it seems the problem is in the computer
[21:43] <Mohadihb> has somebody a idea, why i cant install new programs like discord or steam ? i downloaded the *.deb but the installtion just stop
[21:49] <Pablo_> I have never tried Mohabi, sorry
[21:50] <Mohadihb> no problem, i will solve this problem somehow ;)  enjoy your life Mr. Pablo ;)
[21:52] <Pablo_> I must go, I will write a longer ask for asking it in the forum
[21:52] <Pablo_> see you
[22:38] <shwaybotx> Having problems with Ubuntu Studio suddenly playing videos where the sound track leads the video image by a couple of seconds.
[22:39] <shwaybotx> On live video streams like Netflix, Amazon Video, CBSN live, YouTube, etc.


[12:44] <nigelb> mhall119, cjohnston, Daviey: We have responses from the survey.   What should I do to get started?
[13:24] <chaynie> cjohnston wields guilt not unlike a fireman's axe.
[13:25] <chaynie> =D
[13:27] <mhall119> nigelb: reading over this feedback, it seems 30% of the requests just involve educating the user (or making existing features easier to find)
[13:27] <mhall119> chaynie: helping out on what?
[13:27] <mhall119> summit? loco-directory?
[13:28] <chaynie> mhall119: loco directory I think.
[13:29] <chaynie> something involving python and django.
[13:31] <mhall119> loco-directory is a nicer place to get started
[13:33] <chaynie> should I checkout trunk from bzr then and start poking around?
[13:33] <mhall119> yup
[13:33] <mhall119> there are instructions for getting your local env setup
[13:34] <mhall119> you know where to find cjohnston and I if you need help
[13:35] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:37] <YoBoY> morning
[13:37] <YoBoY> can I ask a stupid question on the LD project ?
[13:38] <cjohnston> sure
[13:39] <YoBoY> why all the code is in a "loco-directory" folder and not in the root of the project folder, it's a django who need a folder always with the same name ?
[13:40] <cjohnston> I don't know the true answer.. mhall119 would maybe be able to shed some light
[13:41]  * YoBoY don't like to have to enter in so many folders to start hacking ^^"
[13:42] <nigelb> mhall119: heh
[13:42] <nigelb> cjohnston: I like one of them
[13:42] <nigelb> erm
[13:43] <nigelb> mhall119: I like the one where they want to select the sessions one is interested
[13:43] <chaynie> YoBoY: The deeper hierarchy encourages good namespacing, which is important for larger projects. :)
[13:44] <YoBoY> chaynie: sure, but in my case I have to cd loco-directory/loco-directory/loco-directory
[13:44] <YoBoY> :D
[13:46] <cjohnston> I have a Projects folder, in there I have a LoCo Directory, Summit, etc... In LoCo Directory I would have a trunk/ and then the bugs I'm working on
[13:46] <cjohnston> so cd Projects/loco-directory/xx/loco-directory
[13:47] <chaynie> YoBoY: echo "alias lll='loco-directory/loco-directory/loco-directory'" >> ~/.bashrc; source ~/.bashrc
[13:47] <YoBoY> cjohnston: yes when I try to hack first thing is to make a new branch (your xx) but I keep the "original" your trunk in the default name
[13:48] <nigelb> YoBoY: well, the correct way to do it is like what Ubuntu distributed development tries
[13:48] <nigelb> you create a repo and then keep making branch from that and work on those branches
[13:49] <nigelb> quite like what launchpad development is like
[13:49] <YoBoY> like I said, it's just a stupid question, and only concern the inside loco-directory folder not how we work with projects
[14:14] <mhall119> YoBoY: "loco_directory" is the python project
[14:15] <mhall119> django project, sorry
[14:15] <mhall119> this is the simplest directory structure for keeping a django project in a branch
[14:16] <mhall119> think of "loco_directory" as equivilent to "src" that you find in most source trees
[14:17] <mhall119> also, do what cjohnston and nigelb suggested, bzr init-repo loco-directory, then bzr branch lp:loco-directory trunk"
[14:17] <mhall119> then you can "bzr branch ./trunk ./fix-bug-12345"
[14:18] <YoBoY> sure, thanks
[14:21] <mhall119> YoBoY: I've recently been following this: http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/sharing-your-development-environment-across-branches/ and it's been working out very well
[14:21] <mhall119> cjohnston: nigelb; ^^ you guys might be interested in that too
[14:27] <YoBoY> the switch seems great :) I'll have to try it on one of my team projects :D
[14:33] <daker> mhall119, i ma using django 1.3 at work and i can't work on LD since it needs django 1.1.1, do you know can i run 1.3 & 1.1.1 on the same machine ?
[14:33] <mhall119> daker: you can with virtualenv
[14:33] <daker> any docs ?
[14:40] <mhall119> on virtualenv, yes, on using it for loco-directory, no
[14:41] <mhall119> but I can give you a quite setup
[14:43] <daker> ok give me
[14:44] <mhall119> I'm writing it up in the wiki, give me a few minutes
[14:45] <daker> tyt
[14:51] <mhall119> daker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/Development#Using%20Virtualenv
[14:51] <mhall119> whoops, should be python2.6 not 2.3
[14:52] <daker> ok
[14:56] <nigelb> mhall119: that's sort of exactly what I use for summit and LD :)
[15:18] <daker> mhall119, is it --python=/usr/bin/python2.6 .env or --python=/usr/bin/python .env? because on natty there is no python2.6
[15:18] <daker> on /usr/bin/ there is just python & python2.7
[15:20] <mhall119> no 2.6 on natty? mine must be left over from maverick then
[15:20] <mhall119> I don't *think* there's an issue using 2.7
[15:20] <daker> also virtualenv needs a destination dir
[15:21] <mhall119> if that's all you have, you don't need the --python option at all
[15:21] <mhall119> daker: that's the .env part
[15:21] <daker> ah
[15:23] <daker> woow
[15:24] <daker> thanks mhall119
[15:24] <mhall119> np, happy hacking
[15:25] <nigelb> mhall119: generally using /usr/env/python works :)
[15:27] <mhall119> /usr/env?
[15:28] <nigelb> mhall119: erm, /usr/bin/env python :)
[15:28] <nigelb> mhall119: wait, ignore me
[15:28] <nigelb> mhall119: sorry, wrong context.
[15:33] <mhall119> :P
[15:45] <cjohnston> mhall119: whats the status of django-openid-auth?
[15:47] <mhall119> cjohnston: I got a hold of jamesh last night (morning in Australia) to ask him to pickup the 2 outstanding MPs
[15:48] <cjohnston> sweet
[15:48] <mhall119> once they've landed, I'll bug achuni to build a new package
[15:48] <mhall119> or get the package branch from him and do it myself
[15:48] <cjohnston> would be aweosome if we could get it fixed in the next few days
[15:48] <mhall119> why the next few days?
[15:48] <cjohnston> cuase im tired of waiting ;-)
[15:48] <mhall119> :P
[16:58] <nigelb> joey: heh, did you say "Its awesome! I want to hug the developers!" ;)
[16:58] <joey> lol
[16:58] <nigelb> :)
[16:58] <joey> No, but that's a neat idea for the next time :-)
[16:59] <joey> I put in the same info we have bugs for
[16:59] <mhall119> hugging us is a neat idea
[16:59] <nigelb> heh
[16:59]  * joey wonders what his wife would think.
[17:01] <nigelb> mhall119: I have a suggestion
[17:01] <mhall119> does it involve hugs?
[17:01] <nigelb> can we move to celery for the tasks we now run on cron for LD and summit?
[17:01] <mhall119> joey: she can hug us too, it that'll help
[17:01] <nigelb> that way an admin can control it from the web UI
[17:02] <joey> mhall119: oh I'm sure it'll help :-)  She's just never in the same spot as me
[17:02] <mhall119> nigelb: if you want to make that happen, I'd support it
[17:02] <nigelb> mhall119: If we can get rid of critical bugs, that's a feature I'd like to work on.
[17:02] <mhall119> nigelb: +1
[17:03] <nigelb> :)
[17:03] <nigelb> Got the idea from Launchpad.
[17:03] <nigelb> See? Working on LP isn't that bad :)
[17:06] <joey> mhall119: although, she might make a guest appearance at UDS Orlando .... there's some talk about doing a disney vacation
[17:06]  * cjohnston hands out directions to mhall119's house
[17:12] <nigelb> heh
[17:15] <mhall119> joey: my family has disney passes, so we'll go on any planned group trip
[17:18] <daker> mhall119, each time i need to install django on Virtualenv or what ?
[17:18] <mhall119> daker: each time you create a new virtualenv, yes
[17:18] <mhall119> but you can re-use the same .env for all of your LD branches
[17:29] <Ronnie> mhall119: it could be nice if the commands are explained a bit more
[17:29] <Ronnie> mhall119: and what about jquery libs in virtual env?
[17:29] <nigelb> Ronnie: jquery works despite virtualenv
[17:29] <nigelb> okay, I'll fix this up
[17:30] <nigelb> I mean, its on my list, but just not *right now*
[17:31] <Ronnie> nigelb: 10.10 has a newer jquery than 10.04. In 10.10 is a bug. so if that coud be fixed by virtual env, that should be cool
[17:31] <nigelb> Ronnie: It can't.
[17:31] <nigelb> Ronnie: We'll just have to tell people to manually drop a particular version of jquery
[17:32] <nigelb> This reminds me need more documentation for new developers.
[17:32] <Ronnie> oke