[01:21] <boxybrown> any idea why I would be able to login to gnome with a local user, but not an NIS authenticated user?
[01:22] <twb> Does it work in login(8)
[01:34] <boxybrown> twb: let me check
[01:37] <boxybrown> twb: i'm not exactly sure how to test this..., keeps complaining about 'cannot possibly work without effective root'?
[01:37] <twb> I don't know what that means or where you're seeing it.
[01:38] <boxybrown> twb: i have an ssh session open on the machine.  I'm trying 'login username' and 'exec login username'.
[01:38] <twb> Uh, are you root?
[01:39] <twb> Also, it's "login", not "login username".
[01:39] <twb> Otherwise you're not testing pam nis auth, are you?
[01:39] <boxybrown> I'm not using pam nis, just nis
[01:40] <twb> You *are* using PAM.
[01:40] <boxybrown> haha, okay
[01:40] <twb> Unless you're on Windows or OS X or something, in which case you can go ask another channel..
[01:41] <boxybrown> well, i never messed with any of the pam configuration stuff. permissions and such is all set through the usual /etc/passwd, shadow, sudoers channels
[01:41] <boxybrown> and nsswitch.conf
[01:44] <boxybrown> I can't get a hold of the user who claimed they couldn't login.  However, with my login I have the following problem: I CAN login at the GUI as an nis authenticated user, but the xsession is all messed up.  The theme is wrong, the mouse works but mouse clicks do not.
[01:44] <boxybrown> Logging in as a local admin user everything is fine.
[01:45] <twb> That doesn't sound like a server issue.
[01:48] <boxybrown> well, its on the ubuntu-server distro
[02:06] <boxybrown> I think I found the problem, via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNISHowTo
[02:07] <boxybrown> maybe NIS users not being part of the video & DRI groups could cause the problem?
[02:07] <twb> boxybrown: I don't know; that's a GUI issue.
[02:07] <twb> If you can reproduce the problem on the tty, I can help.
[02:44] <WirelssNot> Need help: my network hardware is turned off, internet not wokrking: http://paste.ubuntu.com/573758/
[02:46] <twb> WirelssNot: rfkill list
[02:55] <WirelssNot> twb, i am sorry for late response.
[02:55] <WirelssNot> hold on please
[02:55] <twb> Whatever
[02:56] <WirelssNot> twb, just have hard time transfering terminal results from one computer to the next
[02:56] <twb> Just look at it.
[02:56] <twb> WirelssNot: is your wifi device there?  Is it blocked?
[02:56] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/109206/  <-- example blocked
[02:56] <WirelssNot> actually i have ubuntu-desktop.
[02:57] <WirelssNot> but noone can help at #ubuntu.
[02:57] <twb> It is not appropriate to ask -server just because #ubuntu is busy.
[02:57] <banker247> whats a good / easy way to share photos with ubuntu? i notice it doesn't work too well with photobucket any other easy optoins?
[02:57] <WirelssNot> 1: phy0: wireless LAN       soft blocked: yes    hard blocked :no
[02:58] <twb> WirelssNot: ok, so "rfkill unblock phy0"
[02:59] <WirelssNot> also  0:   hp-wifi: wireless land  soft blocked: yes   hard blocked :yes
[02:59] <WirelssNot> when i do rfkill unblock phy0             bogus unblock argument 'phy0'
[03:00] <WirelssNot> when i do wifi-hp         boguns unblock arument 'hp-wifi
[03:00] <WirelssNot> bogus
[03:00] <twb> WirelssNot: try "rfkill unblock wifi"
[03:01] <WirelssNot> i tried it, it did not show any result.
[03:01] <WirelssNot> meaning?
[03:02] <twb> If a Unix program emits no output, that means it succeeded.
[03:03] <WirelssNot> should i restart? because nothing changed. still "no network connection" when i hover over wireless icon with red exclamation mark
[03:09] <twb> Uh, once you unblock the wifi you need to raise the interface.
[03:10] <twb> Which would be "ip link set hp-wifi up" and "dhclient hp-wifi", or possibly wpasupplicant, but because you're in a GUI I don't know.  Probably NM plays silly buggers.
[03:11] <hallyn> kim0: I haven't tested the latest build (and won't until after server mtg tomorrow), but spice and qemu+spice are built in ppa:serge-hallyn/spice
[03:48] <zimie> i need some help in setting up a transparent squid proxy server
[03:48] <zimie> where should i start
[04:23] <thesheff17> zimie:  I have used this site for a good reference.  I haven't done a ton with squid but do some testing: https://calomel.org/squid.html
[08:13] <Sheepherd> hey guys ive installed the ubuntu server 10.10 on my virtual vmware player machine but all my settings are lost on reboot.
[08:13] <Sheepherd> is this a commen issue?
[08:13] <Sheepherd> does $reboot do that by default or is there another reason?
[08:14] <soren> Sheepherd: What settings?
[08:15] <Sheepherd> keyboard layout or aliases as example
[08:15] <Sheepherd> installed packages stay
[08:20] <Sheepherd> keyboard layout was set with $dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[08:21] <Sheepherd> oh well i just read that aliases are transient so nevermind that part
[08:22] <Sheepherd> but the keyboard layout shouldnt
[08:22] <Sheepherd> be*
[08:23] <laxmi> ubuntu wired network problem
[08:23] <laxmi> wireless works
[09:42] <Daviey> hallyn, Are you planning to chase a MIR on ebtables?
[09:43] <Daviey> hallyn, it's a new recommends of libvirt by the looks of it.
[10:39] <tap-out> hi,  any i dea about this error " fatal : Module vmhgfs not found" , Module vmmemctl not found.
[10:39] <fakhir> hello. my server (ubuntu server 10.10) has high load averages (1.69) but now CPU usage (0%). i gather this is likely an IO problem. how care i figure out what is going on?
[10:40] <tap-out> hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:40] <joschi> tap-out: you need to install the vmware (or openvm) kernel modules
[10:40] <joschi> tap-out: be more patient
[10:40] <tap-out> ok
[10:41] <tap-out> u mean this apt-get install openvm
[10:43] <tap-out> joschi , i get this error after installing vm-open-tools is that different
[10:43] <joschi> tap-out: you still haven't installed the kernel modules
[10:43] <tap-out> ok i try to installed
[10:47] <tap-out> joschi, thanks now it work
[10:48] <smoser> hallyn, 'lxcguest' rocks, and i learned something new: mount bind a file.
[11:33] <smoser> i need someone to swap scribe for me
[11:50] <aazert> hello there ?
[11:50] <aazert> how to check what version on ftp server that i have on my server ?
[11:51] <Daviey> smoser, regarding lxcguest... can you give a snippet that can be copy and pasted into the meeting?
[11:51] <jkg> 'telnet <servername> 21' should give you a banner, which may well tell you the version (mine reports ProFTPD 1.3.2e)
[11:52] <smoser> Daviey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting updated
[11:53] <aazert> telnet myserverip 21
[11:53] <aazert> connection refused
[11:55] <Daviey> smoser, are you looking for someone to do it?  Or interest conceptually?
[11:59] <zul> i said i was going to do it :)
[12:00] <Daviey> zul, ah - i missed that
[12:12] <phsi> are there security.ubuntu.com mirrors?
[12:12] <phsi> openjdk at 60kb/s is fun
[12:12] <phsi> less even :P
[12:23] <binBASH> phsi: I had 16 Kb/sec, so you're more lucky than me :D
[12:27] <jamespage> zul: morning
[12:27] <jamespage> zul: sponsor a bug fix for me?
[12:28] <zul> jamespage: sure when i get back from dropping liam off at daycare
[12:28] <jamespage> zul: thanks - I'll ping you with the link
[12:28] <zul> i think Daviey also has core-dev access now as well
[12:28]  * jamespage falls off his chair
[12:28] <jamespage> when did that happen Daviey?
[12:28] <Daviey> jamespage, oh, ages ago! :)
[12:29] <jamespage> :-)
[12:29] <jamespage> fancy a bit of sponsoring?
[12:29] <Daviey> at least 16 hours ago.
[12:29] <Daviey> jamespage, try me! :)
[12:30] <jamespage> bug 687979 - merge proposal is here - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/ubuntu/natty/jug/fix-687979/+merge/51638
[12:31] <jamespage> Daviey: also I have not been able to reproduce the FTBFS in libproxool-java - bug 687982
[12:31] <jamespage> what did you do to make it fail?
[12:32]  * Daviey looks
[12:33] <jamespage> Daviey: congrats on the core-dev membership BTW
[12:33] <Daviey> jamespage, thanks :)
[12:34] <Daviey> jamespage, libproxool-java marked fixed released :)
[12:35] <jamespage> Daviey: great :-) love it when I work really hard on an issue to make it go away!
[12:35] <Daviey> jamespage, You did *awesome* :)
[12:35] <Daviey> jamespage, fancy doing the same with euca?
[12:36] <jamespage> well I'm always up for a challenge.... ;-)
[12:47] <hallyn> Daviey: oh, bother.  I guess I'll have to look into ebtables
[12:48] <Daviey> hallyn, Do you have enough time?
[12:49] <hallyn> Daviey: I have no idea what that takes.  I'm also not 100% sure how needed it is (it was pulled in by the Debian package)
[12:51] <hallyn> Daviey: i can look at it after the server meeting.  it'll be educational.  (though if you have time right now, I won't be offended if you do it)
[12:51] <hallyn> Daviey: thanks for pointing it out.  I hadn't thought of it
[12:52] <Daviey> hallyn, Hmm.. if we don't /need/ it, we can move it from Recommends to Suggests meaning we don't need to to MIR it
[12:53] <Daviey> zul or jdstrand, With your work on libvirt, have you seen a need for us to carry ebtables?
[12:56] <hallyn> Daviey: right now I need to get kids ready - bbl
[12:56] <Daviey> hallyn, no worries o/
[13:12] <david506> Does vga= in the kernel parameters still work in Ubuntu 10.04 ?
[13:30] <pmatulis> Daviey: try it and see
[13:31] <zul> Daviey: what about ebtables?
[13:31]  * zul is back
[13:32] <pmatulis> Daviey: sorry, wrong nick
[13:32] <Daviey> pmatulis, ah, no worries
[13:33] <Daviey> zul, It's a new recommends of libvirt... Am i right in saying you don't need it for lxc on OpenStack?
[13:33] <david506> Hey, I have a program running on tty1, how can I remove the login from tty1 ? ( ubuntu 10.04 lts )
[13:33] <zul> Daviey: i wouldnt drop it
[13:33] <Daviey> zul, We either need to MIR it, or drop it to Suggests.
[13:34] <Daviey> zul, it's currently universe.
[13:34] <Daviey> zul, If we don't /need/ it, we shouldn't MIR it IMO.
[13:34] <zul> Daviey: gah
[13:34] <Daviey> zul, being a recommends of libvirt in Debian suggests to me we probably don't need it.
[13:35] <zul> right drop it to suggests for now when its needed again we will do the MIR
[13:36] <Daviey> zul, i /suspect/ it will be needed next cycle
[13:36] <zul> Daviey: oh i *know* it will be needed in the next cycle
[13:37] <Daviey> zul, a universe package you care about explicitly Depends on it, so it'll get installed anyway.
[13:37] <zul> Daviey: right
[13:37] <zul> Daviey: well worry about it then...im in agreement
[13:38] <Daviey> groovy.
[13:53] <jdstrand> Daviey: aiui, ebtables should not be explicitly required, which is why it is Recommends. you can read about what it does here: http://libvirt.org/firewall.html
[13:53]  * jdstrand should really look at that in more depth
[13:55] <Daviey> jdstrand, oh aye, i read that page.. i just wondered if you knew of anyone that would scream if it was demoted to Suggests
[13:55] <Daviey> jdstrand, as it's a new thing, i doubt it
[13:56] <jdstrand> Daviey: no. I doubt anyone would really notice in terms of install images. curious why you want that delta?
[13:58] <Daviey> jdstrand, ebtables is in Universe
[13:59] <Daviey> jdstrand, Don't want to MIR it unless we /need/ it.
[13:59] <Daviey> (This cycle at least, next cycle i think we will need it)
[13:59] <jdstrand> Daviey: hmm, I guess I forgot the policy on Recommends vs Suggests wrt MIR
[14:00] <soren> ebtables are in universe?
[14:00] <jdstrand> ie, while a package in main has a Recommends will install it if universe is enabled, if universe is not enabled it won't
[14:00] <Daviey> soren, yes
[14:01] <soren> srsly? How the heck does Eucalyptus protect against arp/mac/ip spoofing?
[14:01] <jdstrand> and it shouldn't, afaik, affect cd image buildability
[14:01] <Daviey> jdstrand, Well.. yes.. it's like a soft depends i guess... should be renamed to 'flood-my-machine-with-stuff-i-don't-need:"
[14:01] <zul> soren: magic! :)
[14:02] <Daviey> jdstrand, lemme check with the release team
[14:02] <soren> zul: I remember how Eucalyptus' magic works.
[14:02] <soren> :)
[14:02] <zul> soren: hehe
[14:02] <soren> REcommends needs MIRs for sure.
[14:04] <soren> ebtables in universe is silly. The filtering (i.e. the tricky bits) are in the kernel. ebtables is just a tool to adjust the stuff in the kernel.
[14:04] <Daviey> soren, that is what i thought... but jdstrand raises a valid point.  Just checking from the release team
[14:04] <phsi> I want to prefer same-version packages from a certain mirror, is this possible with pinning?
[14:04] <Daviey> soren, For natty, it shouldn't matter - right?
[14:04] <soren> Daviey: Whether ebtables is in main? Not that I know of...
[14:06] <Daviey> soren, For -compute, it depends on it already.. so will still get pulled in.
[14:06] <soren> Daviey: Certainly.
[14:07] <soren> Daviey: But (again, this is just AFAIK) that's unrelated to its being-in-main-ness.
[14:08] <jdstrand> Daviey: fwiw, I think a MIR on ebtables is long overdue, and would be easy to achieve
[14:09] <Daviey> jdstrand, I totally agree... and natty+1 i think it will be one of the first things we chase i expect
[14:09] <jdstrand> Daviey: there are no CVEs in the userspace tool: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=ebtables
[14:10]  * jdstrand would think it could happen this cycle if you wanted it
[14:10] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:10] <Daviey> jdstrand, Are you trying to make me scream? :)  I /just/ uploaded the demotion. :/
[14:10] <jdstrand> I am not
[14:10] <jdstrand> I thought discussions were still ongoing
[14:11]  * jdstrand shuts up then
[14:11] <Daviey> jdstrand, Oh no.. i wasn't saying that..
[14:11] <jdstrand> :)
[14:11]  * jdstrand was just teasing
[14:11] <soren> jdstrand: Are there ufw+ebtables plans?
[14:11] <Daviey> jdstrand, You sir.. will get a slap!
[14:12] <jdstrand> soren: I'd like to, but it isn't as high as some other ufw stuff, which unfortunately isn't as high as other work
[14:12] <jdstrand> soren: it is on the raodmap though
[14:12] <jdstrand> roadmap
[14:13] <soren> jdstrand: Does this roadmap have a url?
[14:14] <jdstrand> soren: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap#Unscheduled%20Wishlist%20Items
[14:15] <jdstrand> soren: some of what is in there was not added by me, but all is worth investigating at some point
[14:17] <soren> jdstrand: Cool.
[14:23] <azizLIGHTS> whats the point of the iso i downloaded when it wants to use the internet to retrieve files in setup
[14:29] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: you have to boot something, don't you? there are also minimal CDs which only contain the boot files and the debian installer and everything else is being fetched from the net
[14:30] <azizLIGHTS> but the iso is like 700mb, thats all botting?
[14:31] <thesheff17_> azizLIGHTS: The full iso cd doesn't even require you to configure networking. so if anything is down with the internet is option during install.
[14:31] <thesheff17_> azizLIGHTS: the iso contains tons of software....at the end you can select all types of extra packages that are contained on the cd.
[14:32] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: I already wrote: there are also minimal ISOs…
[14:42] <zul> hallyn/Daviey/smoser: MIR filed
[14:42] <smoser> just for the lxcguest ?
[14:42] <smoser> or all of lxc ?
[14:44] <Daviey> zul, ^
[14:44] <zul> all of lxc
[14:44] <smoser> well thats a bit of a bigger deal
[14:44] <smoser> bug number ?
[14:45] <zul> 727200
[14:45] <smoser> bug 727200
[14:47] <zul> smoser: you dont need all of lxc on the images just the lxcguest stuff
[14:47] <smoser> right.
[14:47] <smoser> but you've said you wanted to MIR it all
[14:47] <smoser> i think you can (maybe i'm wrong) just MIR for the specific binary
[14:48] <zul> you can ill talk to the MIR team when the review is going to happen
[14:48] <smoser> so you want me to toss that into the builds ?
[14:49] <ogra> you need to MIR the source package, but can opt in to only include certain binaries in the supported set then
[14:51] <smoser> right. thank you.
[14:51] <smoser> zul, ^^
[14:51] <zul> smoser: right
[14:51] <zul> thats what i meant :)
[14:51] <smoser> no.
[14:51] <smoser> do you want it to be added to the images "right now"
[14:52] <zul> no i dont
[14:52] <zul> since its still being reviewed by upstream
[14:52] <smoser> you openstack patch is being reviewed, you mean
[14:52] <zul> yeah i need more caffine
[14:54] <smoser> so, if it were up to me, and hallyn and zul  had reasonable confidence that there would not be issues caused by this (i've sniffed it on an ec2 instance), then i would rather put it in prior to alpha3
[14:54] <smoser> as we'll get more testing of it then.
[14:54] <zul> fine with me
[15:04] <andygraybeal> what do you guys recommend for the amount of space and memory for a mail server that will host the mail of around 20 people
[15:05] <andygraybeal> i want to run the clamav, spamassasin, postfix, dovecot and have apache with roundcube
[15:14] <Daviey> smoser, Are you around to talk about debian/patches/22-uec-multiboot-kvm.patch?
[15:14] <smoser> sure
[15:16] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/qAeU/raw/ Does that make sense to you?
[15:16] <Daviey> smoser, a patch on a patch :)
[15:17] <smoser> you're adding '--basepath' ?
[15:17] <smoser> oh, for natty.
[15:17] <smoser> fyi, the MAX_PATH stuff is completely busted
[15:17] <Daviey> smoser, Is that a bad change then?
[15:18] <smoser> MAX_PATH=4096 (or whatever the max path is), but they append to it all over the place.
[15:18] <Daviey>  /safe/ change?
[15:18] <smoser> your change is probably ok.
[15:18] <smoser> i'm just saying that they use that size but keep appending files to it
[15:18] <smoser> so while 1 path is < MAX_PATH, they keep appending
[15:18] <Daviey> lovely!
[15:19] <Daviey> smoser, That patch was having me scratch my head for ages
[15:19] <smoser> do you happen to have the 2 files ?
[15:19] <smoser> that i can look at
[15:19] <Daviey> smoser, two moments... i'll push it
[15:21] <Daviey> urg... is LP readonly?
[15:21] <smoser> the world is hosed right now
[15:22] <zul> hmm...i wonder what happened
[15:22] <Daviey> *sigh*
[15:22] <Daviey> http://identi.ca/launchpadstatus
[15:23] <smoser> its a good thing we're not trying to make a release this week.
[15:24] <smoser> oh, and by the way, Daviey zul there is a release on thursday. so  you can't complain that you diddn't know you were supposed to be testing :)
[15:24] <zul> :
[15:24] <zul> :)
[15:26] <zul> smoser: arse
[15:26] <Daviey> smoser, :)
[15:31] <smoser> Daviey, ok. re-reading that pathc
[15:31] <smoser> you're chaning lines that i did not change
[15:31] <smoser> right ?
[15:33] <smoser> Daviey, so, yeah, this is what i was talking about
[15:34] <Daviey> smoser, no... refreshing your patch against upstream
[15:34] <smoser> they keep appending, but not shrinking the MAX and such
[15:34] <smoser> there, i guess, upstream fixed that issue
[15:34] <Daviey> smoser, cool
[15:35] <smoser> that make sense ?
[15:35] <Daviey> smoser, I won't test that change... if you are happy with it, and this build goes well - i'll upload it.
[15:37] <smoser> oh yeah, no reason to test anything
[15:37] <smoser> i surely dont make mistakes
[15:37] <smoser> but that interdiff does look pretty straight forward
[15:57]  * zul__ throws his laptop out of the window
[16:06] <iggi> When I try to start a storage pool with libvirt I get a permission denied, even though the directory has rwx for everyone and the user libvirt is running as owns the directory, can anyone help?
[16:13] <Italian_Plumber> anyone else experiencing lag on the update servers?
[16:17] <patdk-wk> yep
[16:17] <patdk-wk> been horrible this week
[16:18] <binBASH> maybe update servers have been relocated to egypt
[16:18] <patdk-wk> libra maybe?
[16:23] <Italian_Plumber> argh.
[16:24] <binBASH> Italian_Plumber: Sponsor bandwidth maybe?
[16:25] <Italian_Plumber> good point
[16:25] <jkg> what sort of available diskspace / monthly bw allowance would one need, in order to help out?
[16:25] <jkg> (I suspect I have the latter in spades but not the former)
[16:28] <iggi> Not sure about ubnutu, but for CentOS it was something like 1TB space and 5mbit commit on a 100mbit line
[16:31] <jkg> yeah, I could easily do the latter but the former would be a problem. ho hum, it was a thought.
[16:34] <iggi> You can't handle 1TB of space, but can handle 100mbit line?
[16:34] <jkg> correct.
[16:34] <iggi> What data center are you in lol, for 5 mbit I could buy a 1TB every month
[16:35]  * binBASH needs to pay 19 Eur / GB :(
[16:35] <Italian_Plumber> iggi, I officially envy you immensely. :)
[16:35] <binBASH> sorry, TB :D
[16:35] <Italian_Plumber> I have 1/2 mbit upload.
[16:36] <iggi> I own a server hosting company, multi gigabit is what I have, but still costs me quite a bit.
[16:36] <jkg> iggi: I'm with Hetzner, we get about 4TB/mo, which is 12.5ish Mbps average
[16:36] <binBASH> Well 1 GBit Flat I was offered for 1,30 Eur / MBit
[16:36] <jkg> but storage is far more expensive
[16:37] <binBASH> hetzner = 6,90 Eur / TB :)
[16:37] <iggi> Ahh yes, I am in the states. Detroit to be exact, our problem is less space and more bandwidth heh
[16:38] <binBASH> iggi: what are mbit prices in us?
[16:38] <binBASH> I heard us is quite expensive...
[16:38] <iggi> The problem is more with the quality
[16:39] <binBASH> iggi: Is there something equivalent to hetzner in US?
[16:39] <iggi> I have a postcard from hurricane electric, they want to give me 1gbps for $1500 (0,80 euro iirc)
[16:39] <\sh> binBASH: don't compare hetzner with a real datacenter provider with isp functionality like equinix ;)
[16:40] <binBASH> \sh: yeah, equinix. Those are the most expensive I've seen yet.
[16:40] <iggi> In large cities, i.e. NYC, Chicago, LA, DC its like $6/mbit @ 100mbit
[16:40] <\sh> realiable bandwith and network costs more then server4you or hetzner or 1&1 can offer
[16:40] <binBASH> \sh: I was hosted at Abovenet. Was quite stable
[16:41] <binBASH> Hower that was in 2001 :P 1 MBit was like 185 Eur
[16:41] <iggi> Where I am at your talking $15/mbit at 100mbit :( But we are primarily level3, savvis, global crossing with a best path routing
[16:41] <\sh> binBASH: abovenet was MCI worldcom wasn't it?
[16:42] <binBASH> \sh: No no, Metromedia.
[16:43] <binBASH> \sh: You know they hosted UBS swiss bank at the same datacenter I was in.
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> zul: btw I already provided branches for vsftpd bugs I was pointing to you yesterday :) so they should be ready for sponsorship
[16:44] <zul> RoAkSoAx: yeah i saw i just havent gotten a chance to do it yet
[16:44] <binBASH> \sh: nowadays I host at www.interwerk.de. It's quite nice for the prices they have.
[16:46] <RoAkSoAx> zul: no worries then :).
[16:46] <binBASH> \sh: I will get into second datacenter in Summer I hope http://www.first-colo.net/DE/?site=rechenzentrum
[16:47] <iggi> binBASH: How is pricing over there?
[16:48] <binBASH> iggi: Where? First-Colo?
[16:50] <binBASH> iggi: At my current datacenter 1 TB = 19 Eur incl. 19% taxes or 3,50 Eur / Mbit
[16:53] <iggi> binBASH: We have been looking for a European location. London wanted $2500 for a ful lrack with 10mbit (I could get something like that with 100mbit for less than that here)
[16:56] <RoyK> iggi: http://www.thordc.com/ is said to be quite decently priced
[16:56] <RoyK> not in England, though, a bit further north
[17:02] <iggi> RoyK: I will have to check who it was, but they were in downtown london
[17:05] <RoyK> those icelanders (thordc.com) have very low power costs
[17:09] <iggi> RoyK: Geothermal power is cheap there eh?
[17:14] <RoyK> iggi: more important is that they can't export their power
[17:14] <RoyK> power is theoretically cheap in Norway as well, but since it can be easily exported, prices balance with other European countries
[17:15] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ping
[17:15] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, o/
[17:16] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: o/ could you please take a look to bug #726769
[17:17] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, yeah.. i know about that one... sadly
[17:21] <chrislabeard> Hey guys for some reason ehcp is not creating directories when i create a new domain any ideas?
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: any ideas why?
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i would guess it might be related to new upstart upstream release?
[17:27] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Seems to be related to the upstart job
[17:27] <Daviey> either the upstart job is buggy (it is scary), or it's related to euca having ld issues which should now be fixed
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: I don't think might be about the ld issues. I just commented the "instance $IFACE" line in the upstart job, then dpkg --configure -a and configured correctly and everything is working nice
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: what's the exact use of that line though?
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> jhunt: any ideas?? ^^
[17:33] <Daviey> jhunt, This is the issue  i was pinging you about the other day
[17:33] <Daviey> $IFACE hasn't been expanded at that time
[17:33] <Daviey> I don't /exactly/ know the issue
[17:34] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: for what I can read in the documentation, maybe "instance $IFACE" is no longer
[17:35] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, does this help - http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/States ?
[17:37]  * RoAkSoAx reads
[17:45] <bdmurray> zul: since you opened releases tasks for bug 725672 does that mean it isn't new anymore?
[17:45] <genii-around> Hm
[17:45]  * genii-around checks his php version
[17:50] <zul> bdmurray: ill update the bug i was working on it and my laptop powered off
[17:51] <bdmurray> zul: that's exciting
[17:51] <zul> bdmurray: P
[17:53] <chrislabeard> What is used for firewall in ubuntu I forgot?
[17:54] <thesheff17_> chrislabeard: iptables & ufw
[17:54] <chrislabeard> ahh ufw
[17:57] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i think it is an issue with upstart
[18:03] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, yeah.. just not sure /what/ issue yet
[18:13] <RoAkSoAx> is it just me or the archives are slow today?
[18:17] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, yes...the whole internet seems slow today
[18:30] <Aison> something wrong with security.ubuntu.com?
[18:30] <Aison> here it's very slow
[18:31] <jdstrand> Aison: known issue. bombarding with requests. it will be resolving in the coming hours
[18:31] <jdstrand> s/bombarding/bombarded/
[18:31] <jdstrand> (waiting on mirrors)
[18:31] <Aison> ok, maybe I should stop requesting also :)
[18:32] <photerran> is that re: slow updates today?
[18:32] <Aison> well, i'm downloading with 35.7kB/s
[18:32] <Aison> :P
[18:40] <Disconnect> anyone familiar with netbooting/preseeding? trying to automatically partition a vm and it keeps kicking back to the guided-partitioning prompt. the partition script is https://gist.github.com/849593 and there are no errors on console 4.
[18:43] <BlackZ> zul: ping
[18:43] <zul> pong
[18:44] <BlackZ> zul: do you mind if I try to fix the xen-3.3 FTBFS?
[18:45] <zul> BlackZ: be my guest
[18:46] <BlackZ> zul: ok :)
[18:51] <Disconnect> thats exciting. when i hit manual it just cycles through 'no root partition defined'
[18:52] <Disconnect> (/proc/partitions shows the unpartitioned device though)
[19:21] <georgie_b> how to do port forwarding from a modem/router to a machine in local lan connected to modem
[19:22] <georgie_b> how to do port forwarding from a modem/router to a machine in local lan connected to modem
[19:22] <Pici> georgie_b: Thats not really something thats Ubuntu specific but....
[19:22] <Pici> !portforward | georgie_b
[19:24] <georgie_b> portforward.com has info only abt few popular applications .. hav written my own java prog using sockets nd it works well within lan but gives error when connected over internet
[19:27] <georgie_b> @ubottu: i've disabled the firewall
[19:29] <georgie_b> hello ne body there?
[19:30] <georgie_b> ne special features in  ubuntu server regarding port forwarding?
[19:30] <photerran> you can use iptables for that
[19:30] <photerran> georgie_b: 'man iptables' read the part about the 'nat' table, the PREROUTING chain, and the DNAT target
[19:30] <georgie_b> @photerran how exactly?
[19:31] <Pici> There are no iptables rules by default, so if your application is listening on a port you should be able to connect to it.
[19:40] <photerran> he's gone
[19:41] <zul_> stgraber: ok fixed
[19:42] <Pici> oh well
[19:44] <aazert> hello
[19:44] <aazert> i create several user for ftp access, those user can see every folder on my system from / to end,  my question how to specify a user to just allow on only one folder
[19:44] <aazert> and not the rest on my system , what i have to do ?
[19:44] <photerran> what ftp server are you using?
[19:44] <aazert> vsftpd
[19:45] <stgraber> zul: cool
[19:45] <photerran> what you want to do is called "chroot" for the user's home dir
[19:46] <aazert> ok i create an user, i just want to alow him on /var/www i don't event want that user see the rest of the folder
[19:47] <photerran> see the man page for vsftpd.conf and check out the section called "chroot_local_user"
[19:47] <aazert> what is the correct syntax for that ?
[19:48] <lenios> !google vsftpd chroot
[19:48] <lenios> ha
[19:48] <aazert> ok i put chroot_local_user=yes on /etc/vsftpd.conf
[19:49] <aazert> but still that user can see the rest of the folder
[19:49] <photerran> you may need to restart the vsftpd service for it to read the new config
[19:49] <RoyK> aazert: did you restart vsftpd?
[19:50] <aazert> how to restart vsftpd ?
[19:50] <aazert> service vsftpd restart this one not working
[19:50] <aazert> it says unknown instance
[19:51] <lenios> /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart?
[19:52] <aazert> neither working
[19:52] <Disconnect> still fighting this partitioning. selecting auto works, except it allocates 4 gigs (out of 4.5) for swap. (its not reading the script, I updated the max size to '200%' and its a 512M vm..) I'd really like partman to just do what I tell it. (swap 2x ram, rest to /)
[19:52] <aazert> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574110/
[19:54] <thesheff17> Disconnect: can you pastebin your script?
[19:54] <Disconnect> https://gist.github.com/849593
[19:55] <Disconnect> just added the first line, waiting to see what it does now..
[19:56] <photerran> aazert: try 'ls /etc/init.d | grep ftp' to see what services have ftp in their name
[19:56] <photerran> maybe it is called something else (vsftp?)
[19:57] <Disconnect> might be running through inetd
[19:57] <photerran> true
[19:57] <thesheff17> Disconnect: here is my example: not sure if it will help.  Yes partman is very aggravating https://www.frackingtubes.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_preseed.cfg_installs_off_PXE_Boot
[19:58] <RyanP> Disconnect: Just so you know, I'm dealing with exactally the same thing at the moment.
[19:59] <Disconnect> lol. yah. unless you use auto, its a complete disaster with missing docs (that weren't correct to begin with)
[20:01] <Disconnect> hmm. method 'regular' is new, lets see what that does
[20:01] <aazert> the service is runing as vsftpd
[20:02] <aazert> but can't restart
[20:02] <aazert> ok i reboot my syst
[20:02] <aazert> just a sec
[20:03] <Disconnect> that worked :)
[20:04] <thesheff17> Disconnect: sweet :)
[20:05] <david506> other than SIGINT ( CTRL+C ) and SIGQUIT ( CTRL+\ ), what signals can I send a program with my keyboard directly without the use of pkill, kill or any other command ?
[20:08] <aazert> i just reboot my server photerran but chroot still don't work
[20:10] <Disconnect> some ftp servers require a different binary for chroot support. is there an alternate package?
[20:13] <fakhir> hello. my server (ubuntu server 10.10) has high load averages (1.69) but now CPU usage (0%). i gather this is likely an IO problem. how care i figure out what is going on?
[20:15] <aazert> no alternate package Disconnect
[20:20] <iggi> fakhir: have you tried to run an IO test to see if it is actually choked? I have had a bad CPU or memory do that to me before
[20:20] <Disconnect> thesheff17: arguing with sizes but that seems to have put me on the right track. (the missing 'regular' type was my holdup) now if i could just get it to make a 768M swap and a 3.9g root (instead of the other way around..) i'd be good :)
[20:21] <fakhir> iggi, no i have not. to you have a recommended io test application?
[20:21] <photerran> fakhir: you can install the 'sysstat' package which provides the 'iostat' utility.  it will report on IO usage.
[20:21] <iggi> fakhir: There is one built in, let me see
[20:22] <iggi> photerran: Cant you use "sudo hdparm -t /dev/hda"
[20:23] <thesheff17> Disconnect: yea if you look at my example I make a 2GB swap, 512mb boot, and then it will use the rest for ext4 for root.
[20:23] <Disconnect> yah
[20:23] <thesheff17> but yes getting it correct was very aggravating.
[20:23] <photerran> iggi: iostat reports io subsystem usage, its not a benchmark as far as I know.
[20:24] <photerran> i find it helpful in diagnosing a live system (where running a benchmark may not be practical or even possible)
[20:25] <photerran> fakhir: also you might try the 'top' command, which does not require any additional packages
[20:26] <fakhir> photerran, top does show much beyond what i included in my question. i will test some of the io applications out there. thanks.
[20:28] <photerran> if top shows a large CPU Wait % then iostat may help track down the cause
[20:28] <Disconnect> any app that is waiting for anything -could- be contributing to load. unless the system is sluggish or otherwise behaving badly, load itself isn't a bad thing.
[20:29] <photerran> you might also check for network interface errors using ifconfig
[20:30] <fakhir> ok
[21:45] <RoAkSoAx> zul: could you also sponsor bug #727422 when you have the time please?
[21:54] <eMgz>  hi, I'm trying to do a GRE over IPsec. both tunnels seem to be set correctly, but the GRE traffic is not going over ipsec. I'm using NETKEY, so I'd like to know how does NETKEY finds out what should go through ipsec?
[21:54] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, As zul doesn't seem to be around... I am happy to sponsor, but can you please add DEP3 headers
[22:02] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: you finally applied for core dev huh? Congrats!!
[22:03] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, :-)
[22:03] <Daviey> Thanks
[22:05] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i'm collecting all the bugs and stuff I've worked on to do the same soon
[22:06] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, awesome!  Keep us posted on your progress... I do have a script for finding all the uploads you've done... maybe that will help?
[22:06] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: cool, yes please!! I was looking into launchpadlib to do that myself, but since you already did it >P
[22:06] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, launchpadlib won't help :(
[22:07] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah i found that out  >P
[22:07] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, In order to use the LP API for that, bug #372704 needs exposing
[22:07] <Daviey> Fix Released!!
[22:07] <Daviey> crikey
[22:07] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[22:07] <RoAkSoAx> hahaha
[22:08] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, I am wrong then... you can use the API :)
[22:08] <RoAkSoAx> indeed
[22:08] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: eitherway I'd also appreciuate your script
[22:08] <Daviey> Fixed over a year ago... and I didn't know :)
[22:09] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, I'll pull out my lplib one... The one i used until now parses mbox files of $distro-changes :)
[22:09] <Daviey> screenscraping mailman archive interface to pull in the mbox files
[22:09] <Daviey> yuk.
[22:09] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: it's all goo I can use that one in the meantime >P
[22:10] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, give me a few mins
[22:11] <Gray> hi
[22:21] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ok done! added the DEP-3 headers. Note that I'm "updating" an existant patch. So you'll have to grab the source, then quilt pop -a to unapply the patches, then patch -p1 <../pacemaker.debdiff and you know >P
[22:22] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Ever heard of bzr? :)
[22:23] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah but my inet connection today is not so happy and takes for ever >P
[22:24] <RoAkSoAx> and I find it much muchs faster to do it the old way >)
[22:35] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, i forgot how big it is
[22:41] <aazert> hello there
[22:42] <aazert> after an reboot i can't able to access to my server over ssh
[22:42] <aazert> so i reboot it with a live cd
[22:43] <chrislabeard> My all of the mail coming from my server is being marked as spam by gmail any ideas?
[22:44] <aazert> so my question
[22:44] <aazert> is it possible to reinstall ssh from livecd to my server ?
[22:44] <aazert> i never faced this problem
[22:54] <aazert> hello
[22:56] <thesheff17> aazert: why would you have to boot the live cd... does the server still boot?
[22:56] <aazert> i got conection refused during ssh authentification
[22:57] <aazert> do you get ?
[22:57] <thesheff17> aazert: sure but booting to the live cd means you are sitting in front of the server right?  Maybe I'm confused.
[22:57] <aazert> no i m server is an remote one
[22:59] <aazert> that's why i reboot from live cd
[23:00] <thesheff17> aazert: you have to chroot into the installed file system and then just do apt-get install ssh...it is a little hard to do...if you haven't done a ton of configuration I would just re-install and make sure to select openssh during install.
[23:01] <aazert> how to chroot into installed file system ?
[23:03] <thesheff17> aazert: http://superuser.com/questions/111152/whats-the-proper-way-to-prepare-chroot-to-recover-a-broken-linux-installation don't copy anything around...just mount everything then use the chroot command.
[23:07] <MattPMc> Greetings, oh geniuses of the Ubu.
[23:08] <MattPMc> Seriously, I've downloaded 10.10 server 64-bit and am having issues. I installed it on a Dell PowerEdge with RAID 5. All went well. After the reboot it brings me up to GRUB. Now, I don't know GRUB to save my bacon.
[23:11] <aazert> thanks thesheff17
[23:11] <aazert> i m on it
[23:11] <tsrk> I have a daemon that takes about 20 seconds to stop. How can I make Ubuntu wait for it to exit cleanly before finishing the shutdown process?
[23:13] <media> Hi... I've an ubuntu server 8.04 LTS on a server. It's some time I don't find update with apt-get alse if I found some security advice about this version. Must I change any  software source.. I can only update?
[23:22] <twb> mquin: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"
[23:23] <twb> Sorry, that was for someone that just left.
[23:34] <kklimonda> tsrk: have you tried setting kill timeout in the upstart config file?
[23:34] <tsrk> kklimonda: yes, it still kills it after 3 seconds or so though
[23:38] <twb> tsrk: what was the issue/question?
[23:38] <kklimonda> weird, that's afair how similar issue with mysql has been fixed
[23:39] <tsrk> kwb: I have a daemon that takes about 20 seconds to stop. How can I make Ubuntu wait for it to exit cleanly before finishing the shutdown process?
[23:39] <tsrk> twb: * I have a daemon that takes about 20 seconds to stop. How can I make Ubuntu wait for it to exit cleanly before finishing the shutdown process?
[23:39] <twb> tsrk: ooh, good question.
[23:39] <tsrk> twb: it'd be better if i could find the answer =P
[23:40] <kklimonda> tsrk: are you sure it's being killed? upstart should send the TERM signal first, then wait X seconds (defined by kill timeout) before sending KILL
[23:40] <twb> I would try a pre-stop script that kill -15'd the process, then spin-locked for up to 20 seconds
[23:40] <twb> #upstart would know better
[23:40] <twb> kklimonda: oh, upstart has a customizable timeout now.  Never mind me, then
[23:40] <tsrk> twb, kklimonda: it's actually the pre-stop script that takes the time
[23:41] <kklimonda> tsrk: aiui upstart waits for pre-stop script to finish.
[23:42] <twb> Perhaps wrap the pre-stop script in a timeout(1), then
[23:42] <twb> That's part of coreutils nowadays, so you can assume it's installed
[23:43] <tsrk> kklimonda, twb: here's my upstart config: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574211/
[23:43] <tsrk> (that's not my actual scripts of course, just trying to get that to work first)
[23:43] <tsrk> i don't know much about upstart so i might be doing something horribly wrong
[23:47] <twb> pre-stop exec timeout 20s sleep 30
[23:47] <twb> AIUI the "kill timeout 60" means that it waits 60s after sending a HUP to the *script* pid (not pre-stop/start script), before giving up waiting and sending a TERM
[23:48] <twb> Yeah init(5) confirms that interpretation
[23:49] <twb> tsrk: in other words, "kill timeout" has no effect on your "sleep 30"
[23:50] <kklimonda> it's actually TERM and then KILL
[23:50] <tsrk> twb: ok, trying that, one sec
[23:51] <twb> TERM is 15 isn't it?
[23:51] <kklimonda> twb: yes
[23:51] <tsrk> twb: i put the "sleep 30" in a script because the real stuff will be in a script in the config file. how can i apply a timeout to the whole script?
[23:51] <twb> tsrk: timeout 30s sh -c 'your whole script'
[23:52] <twb> tsrk: or timeout 30s /usr/share/foo/foo.sh
[23:53] <tsrk> twb: i tried this: "pre-stop exec timeout 60s sleep 30", but it still reboots immediately
[23:54] <twb> Define "reboots"
[23:54] <twb> Are you issuing "initctl reload-configuration" after each edit?
[23:54] <tsrk> twb: i've been using the "reboot" command to reboot the vm, and it comes back online within 10-15 seconds
[23:54] <hallyn> kirkland: looking at bug 723871, would you agree that's worth pursuing a FFE ?
[23:54] <twb> reboot doesn't reread the config file IIRC
[23:54] <hallyn> Daviey: ^
[23:55] <tsrk> twb: no.... that might be one problem
[23:55] <twb> You need to stop and then start
[23:55] <Daviey> hallyn, looking
[23:55] <juanito1> hola
[23:56] <Daviey> hallyn, why would it need a FFe?
[23:56] <tsrk> twb: even after reloading, it still reboots immediately
[23:57] <juanito1> spanish ?
[23:57] <twb> !es
[23:57] <juanito1> si pero necesito informacion de servidores
[23:57] <juanito1> :S
[23:57] <hallyn> Daviey: cause we're in soft freeze?
[23:58] <hallyn> Daviey: doesn't apply for bugfixes/
[23:58] <RoAkSoAx> juanito1: en ese canal tambien puede ser que encuentres ayuda de servidores
[23:58] <hallyn> Daviey: can you push that fix then?  :)  (I don't think my PPU rights are effective yet)
[23:59] <juanito1> RoAkSoAx, gracias, dime que necesito para montar una web como taringa


[00:10] <wrst> yep
[00:11] <wrst> that makes sense
[00:19] <Unit193> By the way we're going, you would have to run it in the browser. :P
[00:23] <Omnifrog> probably something like a browser
[00:24] <wrst> that makes very much sense also
[00:24] <wrst> as long as its all running linux
[00:25] <Omnifrog> MS has been pushing to integrate the browser with the OS for ages to avoid anti trust issues and Google and everyone else has been pushing the browser as the platform because... The Cloud!.... and data mining etc etc
[00:30] <Omnifrog> some college dropout douchenozzle will innovate some new social browser like thing that everyone will flock to to be cool soon
[00:31] <Omnifrog> the Like button will be replaced with something equally as irritating
[00:31] <wrst> ha ha
[00:31]  * wrst hates facebook doesn't know why he still has an account
[00:32] <Omnifrog> I got one when they first went public. it was all downhill from there
[00:32] <Omnifrog> I _have_ to use it these days for because of my radio show :\
[00:33] <Omnifrog> otherwise I would never use it
[00:40] <chris4585> wrst, indeed, its crazy, mint 15 rc boots up in like 12 seconds
[00:40] <chris4585> fully loaded cinnamon, etc..
[00:40] <chris4585> which surprises me
[00:46] <wrst> mint... chris4585 :P
[01:00] <chris4585> yes mint because I want a damn good cinnamon experience and my computer can handle anything I throw at it so I simply don't care
[01:00] <chris4585> basically
[01:04] <wrst> chris4585: I need to try cinnamon again last time I liked it and had promise but just wasn't there hardly for me
[01:05] <chris4585> ah, well I'm really enjoying the cinnamon experience
[01:05] <chris4585> mint 15 rc isn't too bad either, of course its mint, but it works well
[01:32] <Omnifrog> Attn Rain: Make up your mind. Will it be too wet to work in field tomorrow or not?
[01:33] <Omnifrog> 80% chance of maybe sprinkles or maybe showers is not helpful
[01:39] <chris4585> wrst, http://i.imgur.com/S4OPh7S.jpg
[01:39] <wrst> nice chris4585, very neat
[01:39] <wrst> Omnifrog: I'm with you
[01:41] <chris4585> wrst, thanks, that is a better shot than my last ones...
[01:41] <wrst> chris4585: about to try it again
[01:41] <chris4585> still a bad picture though
[01:41] <chris4585> wrst, cinnamon?
[01:41] <wrst> yep just about 3 additional MBs
[01:41] <wrst> since I'm running gnome-shell
[01:41] <chris4585> ah
[01:42] <wrst> I do like nemo also
[01:42] <chris4585> it isn't too bad on arch, I just felt like manjaro needs to clean up a little bit before I try it again and mint is all I need for now
[01:43] <wrst> yeah I have tried some of the "easy to use" arch distros I don't care for them personally
[01:44] <wrst> it does look nice
[01:46] <chris4585> yeah
[01:46] <chris4585> manjaro does well though, I think they are working on a graphical installer based on mint's
[01:46] <wrst> i'm using gnome shell with the dock extension and the top icon extension
[01:46] <chris4585> ah
[01:46] <wrst> I really like it auto hides etc nice little deal
[01:48] <wrst> chris4585: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2959906/gnomeshell.png
[02:26] <chris4585> sorry wrst I had to go to walmart
[02:26] <chris4585> that does look nice
[02:26] <chris4585> I like that wallpaper and theme
[02:27] <wrst> thanks chris4585 not really tinkered with much other than those two extensions
[02:27] <chris4585> yeah, looks nice though
[02:30] <wrst> works well for me I like things pretty simple so it does the job
[03:24] <chris4585> wrst, are you still around?
[03:28] <cyberanger> I'm sorry, wrst cannot come to the keyboard right now, please leave a message after the PONG
[03:29] <cyberanger> chris4585: ^
[03:34] <chris4585> agreed, I think I have sort of adapted to the traditional desktop http://i.imgur.com/ECE9tOf.jpg
[03:34] <chris4585> sup cyberanger
[03:35] <Unit193> cyberanger isn't even on the "classic" interface yet. :D
[03:36] <cyberanger> it's classic as you can get
[03:37] <chris4585> I'm pretty satisfied with it really, at the end of the day it gets the job done and feels nice and simple
[03:38] <cyberanger> openbox
[03:40] <chris4585> I like openbox too really
[03:40] <chris4585> I could use it if I had an expo which I'm sure openbox does
[03:40] <chris4585> doesn't openbox support compiz these days?
[03:41] <Unit193> cyberanger: No, classic in quotes is different than real classic.
[03:42] <cyberanger> chris4585: good question, I settle for xcompmgr & terminator
[03:42] <cyberanger> that's it
[03:51] <chris4585> yeah, not bad, I mean I like a little bit of everything


[01:21] <MarkDude> k
[01:28] <MarkDud> pleia2, I am going to se about finding the recipe they used
[01:28] <MarkDud> geeknics could be a bit more fun when we trade recipes
[01:29]  * MarkDud is trying to get some ideas from a geeknic person from Romania
[02:45] <kdub_> hellos, did i miss the meeting?
[02:47] <akk> meeting?
[02:48] <akk> The topic says there's one a week from now.
[02:48] <akk> If there was one today, I missed it too.
[02:49] <kdub_> ah, darn. most sundays i have to miss the meeting, superbowl switched things up a bit this week
[02:51] <akk> Probably some folks are busy partying.
[03:02] <MarkDud> Welcome to Terranova
[03:02] <MarkDud> awesome name for a TV show
[04:05] <frewsxcv> anyone here from slo?
[04:39] <mike> Hello
[04:39] <frewsxcv> hey Ar71K
[04:40] <Ar71K> I just heard about Ubuntu California from reddit
[04:41] <rww> o.O
[04:42] <rww> where on reddit?
[04:42] <Ar71K> yessir
[04:42] <Ar71K> oo
[04:43] <Ar71K> on the mainpage leme see what subreddit
[04:44] <frewsxcv> Ar71K: me too
[04:44] <frewsxcv> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/fgd16/stop_playing_monopoly_start_playing_community/
[04:46] <Ar71K> thats the one
[04:47] <Ar71K> shiiii
[04:47] <frewsxcv> Ar71K: where you from?
[17:01] <jdeslip> Wow... someone took the source to one of my apps, modified it slightly to look uglier and published it as a new app on the market.  They even plagiarized word for word part of my app description.
[17:02] <jdeslip> (and didn't release their code as mandated by the GPL)
[17:04] <jamiedmattingly> wow thats got to suck jdeslip
[17:04] <jamiedmattingly> what kind of app was it?
[17:04] <pleia2> :(
[17:04] <jamiedmattingly> hi pleia2
[17:04] <pleia2> morning
[17:05] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: can you add your vallejo ubuntu hour to our events on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california
[17:05] <pleia2> click "log in" at the top right, it'll log you in with your launchpad.net id
[17:06] <pleia2> then "Add new event"
[17:06] <jamiedmattingly> already did pleia2 its on the list of events for march 7th
[17:06] <pleia2> oh! so you did
[17:06] <jdeslip> It was my arXiv app
[17:06] <pleia2> I didn't realize the directory only showed 5 events
[17:06] <pleia2> cool, thanks :)
[17:07] <jdeslip> It is hard to prove they stole the source.  But there are parts that have identical behavior and messages. :/
[17:07] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: mind if I add some details? (it doesn't have locatoin or anything)
[17:07] <jamiedmattingly> im gonna go to yours wednesday so i can get an idea how it works if that is ok
[17:07] <pleia2> great :)
[17:07] <jamiedmattingly> sure what ever you think is best pleia2
[17:07] <jamiedmattingly> i appreciate the help
[17:10] <jamiedmattingly> im sorry jdeslip is there anyway of doing anything?
[17:19] <jamiedmattingly> also pleia2 will be bringing the california ubuntu shirts i made 3 l 2 xl
[17:19] <jamiedmattingly> it was 3 and 3 but i kept one for me
[17:21] <pleia2> yay!
[17:23] <jamiedmattingly> if you want when we meet wednesday for your ubuntu hour we can figure out pattern and colors and suchand then ill be able to get a decent quote from my boss
[17:24] <pleia2> sounds great, I'll bring down one of the current shirts we have left over from the last run
[17:27] <jamiedmattingly> cool do you have the images also? one of the things that will bring down the cost is the image already designed so i dont have to get the art guys to do it for me
[17:28] <pleia2> yeah we've got all the logos in SVG
[17:29] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  the art guy said (and youll have to forgive me here i know nothing of this area so i will probably sound really stupid)
[17:29] <jamiedmattingly> but it has to have vectors or something like an AI file
[17:30] <pleia2> some of the templates are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Shirts
[17:30] <pleia2> SVG is vector
[17:30] <jamiedmattingly> ok cool at least somebody knows this stuff lol
[17:30] <pleia2> :)
[17:30] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Logo
[17:31] <pleia2> ^^ has link to our svg
[17:32] <jamiedmattingly> very cool pleia2 i like the one with the flag
[17:33] <pleia2> that was just one of the proposed ones, we only use the top one with the bear
[17:33] <pleia2> the flag one is cute though :)
[17:34] <jamiedmattingly> yeah the one with the bear in the logo is the one i used for the shirts i made. its not like the black one though. with pattern on both sides. just one large logo on front
[17:44] <grantbow> 1/
[17:44] <grantbow> o/
[17:45] <grantbow> pleia2: I don't have a travel budget for any upcoming events to caravan any supplies.
[17:46] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  i dont see a svg for the flag logo do you have one or know how to convert it?
[17:46] <grantbow> err, carpool
[17:46] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: you can't really convert it to SVG, you'd have to start from scratch with the elements (and I'd generally advise against using it, since it's not our official branding)
[17:46] <grantbow> jamiedmattingly: hey, great work, I am looking forward to March 7th.
[17:47] <pleia2> grantbow: are you coming to scale?
[17:47] <grantbow> unfortunately no
[17:47] <jamiedmattingly> whedre do you live grantbow?
[17:48] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  ok sorry about the flag thing just thought it was a cool pattern
[17:48] <grantbow> jamiedmattingly: near Walnut Creek - join us any Friday at 6:00 if you can for www.dvlug.org
[17:48] <pleia2> grantbow: so you need to me to come out to you to pick up my plastic table boards and things?
[17:48] <grantbow> pleia2: no I can get them to you, maybe this Wed for my usual SF visits
[17:49] <jamiedmattingly> fridays are bad for me. wife has class at srjc so i have to watch kids
[17:49] <pleia2> grantbow: ok cool, sorry you can't make it down to scale (it's a bit of a strain on our budget too, the hotel is the killer)
[17:49] <grantbow> yeah, costs add up
[17:50] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  scale is so cal linux expo right?
[17:50] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yep
[17:50] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  is there a ncale?
[17:50] <jamiedmattingly> or something like that?
[17:51] <pleia2> no, but the bay area has all kinds of events
[17:51] <jamiedmattingly> i signed up for that one you told me bout in april still waiting for my invite approval
[17:53] <pleia2> I think they send out an email whether you're approved or put on the waiting list
[17:54] <pleia2> but it can take a couple weeks
[17:55] <jamiedmattingly> im not worried we'll see what happens if i dont for whatever reason then there are plenty more to go to
[17:55] <pleia2> that's just the linux foundation though, we have tons of LUGs and other events: http://linuxmafia.com/bale/
[17:56] <pleia2> and a lot of other conferences come through here for individual projects
[17:56] <pleia2> drupal, mysql, etc
[18:03] <grantbow> jdeslip: good luck dealing with that other app
[18:09] <grantbow> jamiedmattingly: this list is state wide and sorted by region then day of the month for regular meetings: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UserGroupContacts/Groups
[18:10] <jamiedmattingly> cool thanks grantbow
[18:10] <jdeslip> @grantbow: They also plagiarized word for word part of my app description... That is somewhat of a smoking gun, I think.
[18:11] <jdeslip> Does anyone know what to do in a situation like this?
[18:12] <grantbow> well, each app can be reported for copyright violations with a click, that's a start
[18:14] <jdeslip> Basically I want to demand that they release their changes under GPL in compliance with my license.  I'd also like them to send them wherever you send people who steal/hijack open-source projects to try to promote some new app-developing company they are starting.
[18:14] <jdeslip> I think I will send them an email before doing anything "official"
[18:14] <grantbow> I would carefully phrase a complaint and try to contact them directly before getting more involved in fighting. They may back down.
[18:15] <grantbow> if they don't respond kindly a blog post at berkeleylug.com might add some pressure when you choose to turn the screws on them.
[18:22] <grantbow> you will want to move carefully though in case they don't want to play ball
[18:27] <grantbow> Much will depend on how they respond. Hope for the best and prepapre for the worst I think.
[18:27] <grantbow> worst case Christian might be able to help, lol.
[18:29] <grantbow> or know someone for advice
[18:29] <pleia2> well, there is always the eff :)
[18:29] <grantbow> right there in the city too, yup
[18:35] <jdeslip> grantbow@ I got a response from them.
[18:36] <jdeslip> They are changing the plagiarized app description and are sending me the source of their app to look over...  They said they used my app as a model but did not use the source.
[18:37] <pleia2> hooray for positive responses \o/
[18:38] <jdeslip> I still think creating an imitation of someone else's free/open-source app and publishing it is a somewhat idiotic thing to do, but whatever...
[18:41] <grantbow> interesting
[18:42] <grantbow> they might even be telling the truth, lol
[18:45] <grantbow> dealing with people that don't grok open source is tiring
[18:59]  * kdub just rediscovered nicserv ghost cmd
[19:01] <pleia2> :)
[19:26] <jamiedmattingly> does anyone here know of a program for linux that either creates or converts to a dst
[19:39] <kdub> daylight savings time
[19:39] <jamiedmattingly> .dst its a file type used for embroidery
[19:42] <jamiedmattingly> if you want to get a design embroidered you submit a .dst file to the embroidere to have the image put on you garment
[19:46] <jtatum> jamiedmattingly: did you happen to see this thread? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/conversion-to-dst-format-embroidery-227789/ there's a couple of sourceforge projects… not real common apparently
[19:46] <jamiedmattingly> thanks jtatum ill take a look
[21:32] <jamiedmattingly> are you still here pleia2?
[21:36] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: in and out, at work right now
[21:37] <jamiedmattingly> sorry to bother you
[21:38] <pleia2> no worries, what's up?
[21:39] <jamiedmattingly> i got in trouble for those shirts today was asking about what info was needed for other shirts and then they found out shirts werent just for me so they said if i wanted to keep them i had to pay $10 a piece
[21:39] <jamiedmattingly> which i dont have right now so i prolly wont be able to bring those ones wednesday
[21:40] <jamiedmattingly> apparently if it is something that just i wear is ok but if i print for someone else even if i am included in that group then they make me pay
[21:41] <pleia2> can I buy the 3 larges for $10/eac?
[21:42] <jamiedmattingly> sure sorry bout that it would be less if i printed more prolly
[21:42] <pleia2> no problem
[21:42] <pleia2> sorry to hear you got in trouble!
[21:42] <pleia2> maybe we can see if anyone at the Hour wants to buy some too? I just can't afford more than $30 right now
[21:44] <jamiedmattingly> ok they gave me the larges back plus my xl ill bring what i can wed
[21:44] <pleia2> ok :)
[22:28] <kdub> buy what, ubuntu shirts?
[22:31] <MarkDude> jedahan, what are you doing tomorrow night?
[22:32] <MarkDude> Super NerdNight SF
[22:32] <MarkDude> = awesome
[22:32] <pleia2> kdub: yeah, jamiedmattingly printed up a few basic shirts (on white?) from the shop he works at
[22:33] <kdub> ah, cool
[22:33] <kdub> i have a debian t-shirt and an ubuntu hoodie
[22:33] <kdub> i get a kick from wearing the t shirt under the hoodie
[22:33] <pleia2> hehe
[22:34] <pleia2> I've never managed to get a debian tshirt
[22:34] <kdub> cafepress
[22:34] <kdub> these weren't really shirts that were 'earned' somehow :P
[22:34] <akk> Nice to have the hoodie -- I keep going to geek gatherings where it's too cold to wear my ubuntu t-shirt with too many layers over it for anyone to see.
[22:34] <akk> I have one debian shirt but I bought it, it wasn't "earned".
[22:35] <jamiedmattingly> well how would you earn a shirt????
[22:35] <akk> jamiedmattingly: e.g. go to a conference, participate in an event, get a free t-shirt.
[22:36] <jamiedmattingly> oh cool need to do one of those then much better than what i tried to do :)
[22:37] <jamiedmattingly> speaking of geek gatherings anyone know who does the eeknic thing? the only event they have scheduled was last year?
[22:38] <pleia2> MarkDude tends to be the lead on those
[22:38] <pleia2> our last one was in november
[22:38] <jamiedmattingly> i think thats the one i saw walnut creek or something?
[22:38] <pleia2> yeah, we've had a couple in walnut creek
[22:39] <jamiedmattingly> MarkDude,  anything coming soon from geeknic???
[22:39] <MarkDude> Yes,
[22:40] <MarkDude> Deciding on date
[22:40] <MarkDude> You are invited to meeting on it in #gidgetkitchen tonight
[22:41] <MarkDude> maybe 7- it should just take a few minutes
[22:41] <MarkDude> Feb 19th maybe
[22:42] <jamiedmattingly> cool ill be there
[22:42]  * MarkDude is doing CFP for OSCON now
[22:42] <MarkDude> pondering how best to include the Penguin suit
[22:42] <kdub> DarkwingDuck tossed the idea of doing a geeknic down ole san diego way
[22:42] <akk> Wasn't the OSCON deadline last night? Did they extend it at the last minute?
[22:43] <jamiedmattingly> just out of curiosity is it just us or are kids allowed?
[22:43] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: kids encourage d:)
[22:43] <MarkDude> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011/public/cfp/144
[22:43] <pleia2> it's meant to be a more family-ish event than our usual things
[22:44] <jedahan> MarkDude, lemme check that out. I might be doing a acrobatics class
[22:44] <jamiedmattingly> nice i have a 9 year old and a 1 year old they ought to have fun too
[22:45] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=183755411658835
[22:45] <MarkDude> fb only I guess
[22:45] <pleia2> and while we don't forbid alcohol, it's never been a popular thing at these events (and certainly never been a problem)
[22:46] <akk> MarkDude: Oh, wow, I have one more day to make excuses for why I haven't submitted anything. :) Everybody was saying it was last night.
[22:46] <MarkDude> beer is a very important part of socializing, people behave tho :)
[22:46] <jamiedmattingly> i am a very big supporter of beer consumption :)
[22:47] <MarkDude> well beer is part of geek culture
[22:47] <jamiedmattingly> thats why i like linux so much i kept seeing free beer in all the docs lol
[22:47] <MarkDude> and bbq culture
[22:47] <pleia2> lol
[22:47]  * MarkDude is nt really a drinker, yet always makes sure we have some :D
[22:49]  * MarkDude prepares his CFP, and gets ready to parenthetically say in a Penguin suit a few times- lol
[22:49] <MarkDude> sry, say parenthe....
[22:52] <jamiedmattingly> we just printed a job last week for a local brewer called moylans. whenever he picks up his shirts he brings samples. very nice stuff
[23:09] <kdub> jamiedmattingly: printing question though, i have an SVG i want to post around town, about loco san diego
[23:09] <kdub> how would you find a decent printing shop? i was about to just go kinko it
[23:09] <kdub> but kinko's is generally a terrible experience all around :P
[23:10] <pleia2> I wish local print shops could standardize their submission forms like kinko's, I prefer to go to local shops but kinko's is so easy
[23:12] <kdub> i like to scout out the local shops too, but with me being uprooted from michigan, its taken a bit of time for the more obscure shops to be found
[23:13] <pleia2> yeah, same
[23:13] <pleia2> except s/michigan/pennsylvania
[23:15] <crashsystems1> Btw does anyone have advice on buying a bike?
[23:17] <crashsystems1> I'm looking for a decent but not expensive bike for my daily commute
[23:17] <akk> Where are you? Any hills on that commute?
[23:17] <rww> buy something used that isn't covered in rust
[23:17] <pleia2> bicycle?
[23:17] <rww> cheaper and less likely to get stolen
[23:18]  * rww is assuming bicycle
[23:18] <crashsystems1> Sunnyvale, no hills
[23:18] <jamiedmattingly> sorry kdub was away from desk
[23:18] <crashsystems1> Bicycle
[23:19] <jamiedmattingly> dont know anyprint shops other than this one i just lucked out finding this one
[23:19] <pleia2> local bike shops tend to rock, super friendly people and if you tell them what you need and how much you have to spend they can usually hook you up
[23:19] <pleia2> I find they don't tend to rip your off because they want you to come back for tune-ups and accessories
[23:19] <akk> crashsystems1: There's a place called Fast Bicycle in San Jose (Alum Rock, not sure how close lightrail goes) that used to have fantastic prices on surprisingly good bikes.
[23:19] <kdub> jamiedmattingly: ah, i thought with all the print shop talk you were in the printing business
[23:19] <pleia2> s/your off/you off
[23:20] <akk> My commute bike came from there (mine's a Giant but cost me not much more than Huffy/Murray types were going for at places like Target).
[23:20] <pleia2> mine's a Giant too
[23:20]  * pleia2 pets Nessy
[23:20] <jamiedmattingly> kdub i do work at a printer have for like 6 months now bu ti got referred here by an employment service
[23:21] <pleia2> unfortunately when I bought it I was riding on dirt trails, it's not the awesomest for the city
[23:21] <jamiedmattingly> we are in sonoma we do work for all kind of places and ship to them
[23:21] <jtatum> pleia2: gonna bring it down to the trails again? :)
[23:21] <akk> I agree with not buying something cool looking and expensive ... hurts too much when it gets stolen. :(
[23:22] <pleia2> jtatum: I hope so, trying to get into better shape under controlled conditions first so I don't kill myself after 20 minutes of riding ;)
[23:22] <crashsystems1> Do stolen bikes happen often?
[23:22] <akk> If it'll be locked outside a lot, and it's something expensive and cool, yeah, better assume so.
[23:23] <jamiedmattingly> i got my bike at walmart for $75
[23:23]  * akk had a beloved Cannondale MTB stolen and has been very paranoid about leaving its replacement unattended anywhere, ever
[23:23] <pleia2> aw :(
[23:24] <akk> It was in Palo Alto, locked to the bike rack in a restaurant parking lot ... they hacksawed through the lock shackle (not a u-lock, heavy cable with heavy padlock).
[23:25] <akk> locked to the bike rack on the back of my car, I meant to say
[23:25] <pleia2> I got a super ulock and a also wire lock for the front wheel, but I still don't like leaving it alone
[23:26] <akk> palo alto is probably more evil for bike theft than other local cities (university and lots of bikes).
[23:26] <jtatum> locks are a huge pain :( ulocks seem moreso to me
[23:26] <jtatum> it's like, man i already took the time to bike, now i have to fiddle with this stupid lock for an hour?
[23:27] <pleia2> and they're heavy!
[23:27] <akk> ulocks are great except some of them can be easily picked, and they can't go around wheels unless you remove the wheels.
[23:28] <akk> I keep thinking about painting the Giant with rust-colored paint, or some of that paint that looks like rocks, to make it even less attractive
[23:28] <crashsystems1> Lol
[23:28] <jtatum> i saw that bic pen lock hack. that was pretty sad. especially for anyone who got their bike stolen because of it
[23:28] <akk> but I guess it's unattractive enough now, hasn't been bothered locked with only a light cable and combo padlock.
[23:29] <jtatum> http://www.instructables.com/id/Anti-Theft-Bike-Painting/
[23:29] <akk> That Bic hack was especially amazing because until then. everybody thought those locks were nearly unpickable!
[23:29] <pleia2> I just hope having a half mountain bike in a city + 2 locks adds up to enough deterrent :)
[23:29] <pleia2> and it's "only" a $400 bike
[23:29] <akk> jtatum: Nice! I've also considered silver duct tape. :)
[23:30] <akk> Mine was more like $150, so I don't have to worry too much.
[23:31] <akk> I'd still be bummed if somebody stole it ... you can't get that Terry seat or overbar shifters any more.
[23:34] <jedahan> http://boingboing.net/2009/05/16/uglified-theft-resis.html :D
[23:35] <akk> Nice job!
[23:35] <akk> Though I almost always hold the camera to my eye and use the viewfinder when shooting digital, so I didn't get that part.
[23:36] <akk> (I know a lot of new crappy cameras don't have viewfinders, but good ones have them.)
[23:37] <akk> (*) no offense intended to owners of otherwise good cameras so new that they lack viewfinders, a few of which do exist
[23:38] <MarkDude> akk, your reasonableness tires me sometimes
[23:38] <jtatum> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7zb8YXrmIA
[23:39]  * kdub has a gps module on its way, and is good with microcontrollers. i want to put a gps tracker in my bike
[23:39] <jtatum> there are some kits to do that with APRS, kdub
[23:39] <kdub> kits are no fun
[23:40] <kdub> and actually, i'll probably put prototype #1 in my car
[23:40] <akk> There are some nice Arduino+GPS setups.
[23:40] <jtatum> aprs is good glue in any case
[23:41] <akk> I need to find a decent offline mapping android app so I can use my Archos as a GPS.