[06:41] <nsnzero> morning guys
[06:41] <nsnzero> anyone program in vala / genie ?
[08:13] <MaN1> Imagine those 48% of people all voted for a different third party, then america could finally have an actual democracy ;)
[08:27] <nsnzero> i think my internet is faulty - i get only the fifth message thats posted
[08:54] <jerit> MaN1: that's an interesting concept... I'd have voted 3rd party in this last election if I was American
[08:54] <jerit> although as we've seen in SA, actual democracy doesn't necessarily mean that anything gets better
[08:55] <jerit> since we have millions of people voting VF, IFF, etc and it costs the opposition votes
[08:55] <MaN1> we do n't have actual democracy here either though
[08:56] <MaNI> most people are locked into a 2 party mindset here also
[08:58] <MaNI> Most South Africans still believe that voting for smaller parties is "wasting your vote" - I don't believe that any country where this mindset exists is a true democracy. True democracy requires a populace who actually understand democracy, which clearly we are quite some way away from
[08:59] <MaNI> Take the latest results in iceland for example, now thats a true democracy in action
[09:01] <nsnzero> “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of
[09:01] <nsnzero>  acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....” -Noam Chomsky, The
[09:01] <nsnzero>  Common Good
[09:03] <MaNI> The -largest- party had only 29% of the votes, this means that to make a 'ruling alliance' constant compromise is needed, which means parties have to pick their battles and can't get their way all the time.
[09:04] <MaNI> Society/Democracy is forged on compromises so this is good. Without compromises you have one set of people (majority) constantly trampling another set (minorities) - when this happens it's more like an "elective monarchy" than a "democracy" - which is I think what I would class South Africa as currently, an "elective monarchy"
[10:04] <jerit> I got R150.00 off of a R1500.00 camera with Vodacom Play Everyday
[10:04] <jerit> would be awesome if I had 1500 to buy a camera with...
[10:12] <MaNI> Does anyone know of a service like airmule.com that has any uptake/usage at all in South Africa? There seem to be dozens of them, but I can't seem to find any that are used by South Africans, somewhat curious
[10:50] <jerit> MaNI: thought about starting such a service?
[10:52] <MaNI> haha, sure, one of many ideas I've toyed with in the past, but following through is a whole different story
[10:54] <jerit> so what do you need to follow through?
[10:55] <jerit> I'm always on the lookout for new business ideas and partners to help me with them
[10:59] <MaNI> Masses of time mostly, and a chunk of funding potentially. Thats what launching a company tends to take, I'm way too over invested time wise in other stuff to launch something new properly.
[10:59] <MaNI> I mean an idea like this, making the website/apps/system is probably the easy part - the difficult part is going to be figuring out how to handle customs, insurance, marketing, stuff like that.
[11:00] <MaNI> I do think there is potential there though, but it's strange that the trend hasn't touched South Africa at all, makes me wonder if theres something specific to our country that makes it not viable here perhaps
[13:07] <inetpro> yoh!
[13:07] <inetpro> good mornings
[13:08] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[13:17] <jerit> hey inetpro
[13:17] <jerit> Got any updates on Oom Kilos?
[14:22] <inetpro> last heard from him on Saturday
[14:28] <jerit> well was he doing okay?
[15:16] <inetpro> jerit: he was much better on Saturday afternoon after taking oxygen
[15:17] <jerit> glad to hear that
[15:17] <jerit> now I'm worried about my dog :( acute pancreatitis and she's not getting better
[15:17] <inetpro> at the time was talking of getting a Mibi scan on Monday (today) or Tuesday
[15:18]  * inetpro will be back later
[19:52] <smile> bye :)
[22:33] <smile4> bye


[17:19] <newz2000> Hi, anyone here want to test http://people.canonical.com/~mnuzum/search.html
[17:19] <newz2000> I'd love to know if it works well for you


[00:15] <bschaefer> thumper, ping
[00:16] <thumper> hi bschaefer
[00:16] <bschaefer> thumper, hey, so it looks like didrocks would like to wait to push the ibus in
[00:17] <thumper> bschaefer: I saw that in the email
[00:17] <thumper> which means we don't need to rush
[00:17] <thumper> which is nice
[00:17] <bschaefer> thumper, ok, I just wanted to hear what you think about it
[00:17] <bschaefer> ok that is good to know!
[00:17] <thumper> so lets get the unity and nux branch working well :)
[00:17] <thumper> and reviewed this week
[00:18] <bschaefer> thumper, sounds good :)
[00:18] <thumper> and we can land ASAP after :)
[00:19] <bschaefer> thumper, cool, now I can finish up the last 5% which always takes the longest haha
[00:19] <thumper> yep
[00:19] <thumper> lets make it solid :)
[00:19] <thumper> and get some autopilot tests
[00:19] <bschaefer> thumper, yeah jaytaoko is getting some test setup
[00:20] <bschaefer> thumper, one thing about the autopilot test, who runs those?
[00:20] <thumper> bschaefer: thomi, lamalex and our jenkins instance
[00:20] <bschaefer> thumper, as there is an initial setup for the the ibus
[00:20] <thumper> bschaefer: ok, well I can get you to talk to thomi about special ibus stuff
[00:20] <bschaefer> thumper, ok, so it is for us and we can make sure everything is setup correctly before those test?
[00:21] <thumper> bschaefer: autopilot uses the python test suite
[00:21] <thomi> hi
[00:21] <bschaefer> thumper, yeah, it is more about making sure the ibus is set up in the correct order with the input methods
[00:21] <bschaefer> and hello thomi
[00:22] <thomi> can we set up iBus from python?
[00:22] <bschaefer> thomi, that is something I need to look into, because when this ibus support goes through we should have the ibus.h
[00:22] <bschaefer> and the python equivalent
[00:23] <thomi> cool. Shouldn't be too hard then :)
[00:23] <bschaefer> (im pretty sure), but there api is not very good...but hopefully we can ibus_set_input_method...
[00:23] <thomi> indeed
[00:23] <bschaefer> thumper, thomi but ill take a look into that and see if I can get a small python program working ;)
[00:24] <bschaefer> with setting up and changing the input method
[00:24] <thomi> cool - if you get some python code working I can turn it into an AP test pretty easily
[00:24] <bschaefer> thomi, sweet!
[00:27] <bschaefer> thomi, worst case we can get a test setup in nux which will send fake events to get text, then interface it with autopoilt
[00:28] <thomi> hmmm, I'm not sure I understand. What do you mean "send fake events to get text"?
[00:29] <bschaefer> thomi, right now jay has a nux test framework set up to where he can send fake key events through say textentry
[00:30] <bschaefer> so we can send these events to activate ibus and then send more to get text, which then we can GetText to read what the TextEntry got
[00:30] <bschaefer> which autopoilt should be able to start these test...or we could just use those tests haha
[00:30] <thomi> well, in autopilot we can send any kind of X events we want
[00:31] <thomi> so I guess we just need to enable iBus, send the key events, and then intropect unity
[00:31] <bschaefer> cool, then I just have to figure out how to change the input method through their api!
[00:31] <bschaefer> yeah
[00:31] <thomi> exactly
[00:32] <bschaefer> I just have to make sure the ibus is setup with the ibus-pinyin first the ibus-hangul otherwise it will mess the test up
[00:32] <bschaefer> well it depends on the tests them self, but it has to be consistent
[00:32] <thomi> yeah
[00:33] <bschaefer> still new to testing haha, but sounds good! Ill email you when i find something :)
[00:33] <thomi> ok, cool. You have my email address?
[00:34] <bschaefer> I should be able to find it
[00:34] <thomi><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:34] <bschaefer> ok cool!
[00:34] <bschaefer> thanks
[00:35] <thomi> should be around for another couple of hours anyway
[00:35] <bschaefer> im working on some other things right now, but hopefully I can find the api for that soon
[00:39] <bschaefer> thomi, oo it looks like ibus has its own test set up in python
[00:40] <thomi> cool
[00:41] <thomi> does it include code to set it up / turn it on / whatever?
[00:41] <bschaefer> looking through it now
[00:41] <bschaefer> https://github.com/ibus/ibus/blob/master/test/test_client.py
[00:41] <thomi> sweet
[00:42] <bschaefer> it almost looks like it is testing it's own signals rather then a specific ibus-engine
[00:42] <bschaefer> ibus gets confusing...this might not be what we want as we have to set up a few ibus engines also
[00:43] <bschaefer> thomi, also do we know how many engines we are going to be testing or is it rather just CJK?
[00:44] <thomi> bschaefer: I dunno - thumper's probably a better person to ask.
[00:44] <thomi> If we can get CJK working maybe we can expand it from there
[00:44] <bschaefer> sounds good, lets just getting it working on 1 engine first
[00:44] <thomi> yeah
[00:44] <thumper> engines?
[00:44]  * thumper cares about CJK first
[00:44] <bschaefer> yeah so ibus it self is an interface for these engines
[00:44] <thumper> ok
[00:44] <thumper> lets get tests for CJK
[00:45] <thumper> then we can look at others
[00:45] <bschaefer> thumper, ok well CJK is Chinese Japanese and Korean which is 3 different engines
[00:46] <bschaefer> and there are different chinese engines for simplified and traditional...
[00:46] <bschaefer> but yeah lets just get pinyin working with these tests. Sorry, dont want to over complicate anything
[00:46] <thomi> simple is good
[00:47] <bschaefer> yeah, pinyin is the most used engine and is on ubuntu by default
[00:47] <thomi> ok
[00:47] <bschaefer> which we need at lease 1 engine to get anykind of CJK input...
[00:47] <bschaefer> ok back to digging
[04:58] <qwebirc1767> so I get this installed unity 5.2. but where is HUD?
[04:59] <nhaines> qwebirc1767: it arrives on Thursday.
[05:00] <qwebirc1767> nhaines: ok..anyway do I have to add another ppa? or should there be hud* packages appearing when searching?
[05:02] <qwebirc1767> so what is guitara saying it includes HUD?
[08:08] <mhr3> MacSlow, morning, is it just me who can't connect to our irc?
[08:08] <MacSlow> mhr3, hey there... ehm... you're on IRC?! :)
[08:09] <mhr3> MacSlow, right, i meant the non-freenode one
[08:10] <MacSlow> mhr3, hm... no issues here on this side... just working as everyday
[08:10] <mhr3> interesting
[08:22] <Ycreations> Hellow every body! If eny one developer here, please see the small description about very useful idea for advanced Unity's options: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29215/
[08:23] <Ycreations> Sorry for mistakes, I speak english not clear :)
[09:28] <tbf> cool. seems i lost my checkbox window
[09:29] <tbf> not nice after you spent 2 hrs to answer half of its questions
[09:29] <tbf> anyway: really seems it shall ask smaller batches, or permit suspend at least
[09:30] <tbf> going through all tests takes way longer than the causal user can afford
[09:31] <tbf> actually: it there a way to submit partial checkbox results?
[09:31] <tbf> the launcher entered an almost unusable state
[09:32] <tbf> random apps get launched when i click its icons
[09:32] <tbf> so i cannot continue anyway
[09:47] <g0twig> hey
[09:49] <g0twig> mhall119: morning
[10:14] <g0twig> need help
[10:15] <g0twig> for the coding of my blueprint.. ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lens-cooking/+spec/recipefy-scope )
[10:28] <g0twig> welcome
[10:28] <g0twig> folks
[10:29] <Saviq> greyback, I just saw https://code.launchpad.net/~dyams/unity-2d/centralized-superkey/+merge/93152
[10:32] <greyback> Saviq: oh, that will effect your work :(
[10:32] <Saviq> greyback, yup
[10:33] <greyback> Saviq: it's not merging into trunk, and HUD should be done first
[10:33] <Saviq> greyback, yes, I know
[10:34] <Saviq> just wanted you guys to be aware of that
[10:34] <greyback> but I'll let them know
[10:34] <greyback> yep, thanks, every bit helps :)
[11:34] <g0twig> Morning
[11:34] <g0twig> A beatiful morning
[11:34] <g0twig> any scope/lens dev's here?
[11:51] <g0twig> need help: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lens-cooking/+spec/recipefy-scope
[12:34] <Daekdroom> Wow. I didn't notice HUD is in unity-team/ppa
[13:21] <njin> Uhm, I've run the checkbox for 5.4 but I haven't got received any feedback from the receiper !! is arrived ?
[13:25] <njin> Uh, i've got the unity checkbox lens in the launcher indicating that is active but it's process is not process running, ah it reveal that has a lot of istances opened and there's no way to grag it away
[13:48] <mhall119> I would really like to have my super-key back for non-Unity shortcuts
[13:48] <mhall119> gord: you were working on HUD, right?
[13:53] <gord> yup
[13:54] <mhall119> gord: I'm collecting things for community members to do during the global jam in 2 weeks, is there anything for HUD that can be worked on, specifically tested, or something?
[13:56] <gord> mhall119, hrm, bugs and test cases for when it doesn't match things properly would be good i would think, especially for non english languages. you might want to have a chat with ted about that to know whats best for him when he arrives
[13:57] <mhall119> gord: is there any way to collect heuristics from users to pre-populate HUD's selections?
[13:58] <mhall119> for me, HUD just never seemed to quite do what I expect
[13:58] <gord> mhall119, thats pretty much what i am saying ;) talk with ted
[13:58] <mhall119> until I chose an item from a menu
[13:58] <mhall119> gord: ok
[13:58] <mhall119> when does he usually come online?
[13:58] <gord> US time
[13:59] <mhall119> ok
[14:02] <gotwig> jo
[14:02] <gotwig> mhall119: there?
[14:06] <mhall119> gotwig: gotta run out for a bit, be back in a little while
[14:06] <gotwig> mhall119: here's my blueprint : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lens-cooking/+spec/recipefy-scope
[14:06] <gotwig> check it plz out, guys
[14:20] <mhall119> gotwig: I thought they had an API?
[14:20] <mhall119> screenscaping is fragile
[14:21] <gotwig> mhall119: that site,  I dont think so
[14:21] <mhall119> ok
[14:21] <gotwig> other sites yess
[14:21] <gotwig> and how well
[14:21] <gotwig> their api's are
[14:21] <mhall119> look at the beautifulsoup python module, it does HTML parsing
[14:21] <gotwig> ...
[14:21] <gotwig> 250 api access per month
[14:21] <gotwig> is allowed for free lol
[14:22] <gotwig> a joke, isn it?
[14:23] <mhall119> yeah, 250 is pretty low
[14:23] <gotwig> especially or that use case, right xD?
[14:23] <gotwig> "for"
[14:25] <gotwig> mhall119: I never did such parsing before :(
[14:26] <Saviq> gotwig, BeautifulSoup is very nice
[14:26] <Saviq> as in _very_ nice
[14:27] <gotwig> Saviq: may I PM you?
[14:27] <Saviq> last I checked, though, lxml allowed for CSS selectors
[14:27] <Saviq> and BS did not
[14:27] <Saviq> gotwig, no need, ask away here
[14:28] <gotwig> is it preinstalled in ubuntu?
[14:29] <Saviq> gotwig, no, I don't think it is
[14:29] <Saviq> but it is packaged
[14:31] <gotwig> what  nice library nam xD
[14:31] <gotwig> "name" , matches a recipe im my lens
[14:32] <Daekdroom> Aww damn it. Launcher and Dash colors do not always match the Wallpaper if you pick one of the wp that switch over time.
[14:33] <Saviq> gotwig, I've actually just named a var "super hot modifier" :D
[14:33] <gotwig> Saviq: useful ^^?
[14:33] <Saviq> gotwig, not to you ;)
[14:33] <Saviq> gotwig, well, not directly
[14:33] <gotwig> I could call my lens
[14:34] <gotwig> SuperSoupUnityLens (extreme hot edition)
[14:35] <gotwig> not funny...?
[14:37] <Saviq> Daekdroom, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/889441
[14:37] <Saviq> looks related
[14:37] <Saviq> gotwig, well, lens names should be as simple as possible, I'd say "recipe"
[14:38] <gotwig> Saviq: i know, I called it cooking lens
[14:38] <Daekdroom> Well, if it's exactly what the video shows, then not quite the same thing.
[14:38] <Daekdroom> I don't have transparent panel. It's related to the Launcher/Dash. I have a grey wallpaper right now and olive Launcher.
[14:39] <Daekdroom> Because apparently it only updates when I manually pick the wallpaper.
[14:39] <Daekdroom> (or restart Unity)
[14:39] <gord> Daekdroom, file a bug?
[14:40] <Daekdroom> I will first dig launchpad to see if I won't file a dupe
[14:41] <mhall119> Saviq: it's as 'very nice' as you can get when screen scraping anyway
[14:41] <Saviq> mhall119, of course
[14:41] <Saviq> better than XBMC's XML-based scraper engine ;)
[14:41] <Saviq> every time I try to tweak something there
[14:41] <Saviq> I get lost sideways
[14:42] <mhall119> Saviq: a scraper *for* XML, or a scraper written *in* XML?
[14:42] <Saviq> mhall119, the worse
[14:42] <mhall119> how do you write a scaper *in* XML?
[14:42] <Saviq> *in* XML, *for* HTML
[14:42] <Saviq> well... for whatevert
[14:43] <Saviq> mhall119, it's all RegEx
[14:43] <mhall119> oh dear God
[14:43] <Saviq> yes
[14:43] <Saviq> exactly
[14:43] <mhall119> I'm so sorry
[14:43] <Saviq> mhall119, check that out, as an example http://code.google.com/p/smuto/source/browse/trunk/metadata.filmweb.pl/filmweb.xml
[14:44] <mhall119> my eyes!
[14:46] <mhall119> Saviq: it's like someone took a mess of Perl code and said to themselves: "You know what would make this better? XML"
[14:46] <nloewen> I updated unity from unity team ppa and the 'dodge windows' launcher option is no longer available. Will this return before release?
[14:46] <mhall119> nloewen: no, Dodge is being removed
[14:47] <nloewen> why?
[14:47] <mhall119> it didn't do well in user testing
[14:47] <mhall119> caused too much  confusion
[14:47] <Saviq> mhall119, what's worse - there's no alternative for that for xbmc, even though plugins can be in python
[14:47] <nloewen> can it stay as a configurable option?
[14:47] <mhall119> and it was decided that it wasn't worth maintaining it as a feature if it wasn't going to be enabled by default
[14:47] <greyback> Saviq: I'm loving "super hot modifier" :)
[14:47] <Saviq> greyback, :D
[14:48] <Saviq> greyback, you're about to get to review it
[14:48] <mhall119> nloewen: either auto-hide or never-hide will give 90% of the users the same experience as Dodge
[14:48] <greyback> Saviq: I'm assuming it's a line you tried on your wife yesterday ;)
[14:48] <Saviq> greyback, believe it or not, I don't have to use lines
[14:48] <Saviq> you'll understand at some point
[14:49] <greyback> Umm, I prefer just being friends, thank
[14:49] <nloewen> disappointed_users++;
[14:49] <mhall119> once you're married, the only line you need is "I'm sorry"
[14:49] <mhall119> nloewen: yeah, a lot of us are, but user testing showed that it was a problem
[14:49] <Saviq> greyback, your review is ready
[14:49] <nloewen> ah well. the rest of it is looking good.
[14:49] <greyback> nloewen: you can turn on launcher dodge somewhere in ccsm
[14:50] <nloewen> no, its gone.
[14:50] <greyback> Saviq: ok, you've a small one from me too, just a clean-up
[14:50] <Saviq> greyback, I made it against lp:unity-2d, didn't think it made sense to have it against HUD
[14:50] <mhall119> greyback: I thought it was totally gone
[14:50] <Saviq> greyback, yup, on it already
[14:50] <greyback> Saviq: agreed
[14:50] <greyback> mhall119: no it'll be a option, fixed or auto-hide
[14:50] <greyback> Oh, intellihide might be gone
[14:50] <mhall119> greyback: right, but dodge won't be an option, IIRC
[14:51] <mhall119> tedg: ping
[14:51] <tedg> mhall119, Howdy
[14:52] <mhall119> tedg: good morning, I'm making a list of specific activities for people to work on during the Ubuntu Global Jam in march, and I was hoping to add one or two HUD items to my list
[14:52] <mhall119> tedg: I'm looking for specific things to test, or bugs to fix (bitesize preferabbly)
[14:52] <tedg> mhall119, Okay, can we discuss that tomorrow?  :-)
[14:52] <mhall119> tedg: sure, I'll put you on my TODO list for tomorrow
[14:52] <tedg> mhall119, Archive freeze today for Feature Freeze.
[14:52] <tedg> mhall119, Thank you
[14:53] <mhall119> tedg: so you're going to be busy or something? ;)
[14:53] <tedg> mhall119, That's what they tell me.  I tell them it's OSS, fix your own damn bugs ;-)
[14:54] <mhall119> dbarth: ping
[14:54] <Saviq> greyback, I've approved the RTL MR, it shouldn't conflict /methinks
[15:10] <dbarth> mhall119: pong
[15:31] <tsdgeos> anyone knows a nice way to debug qml focus issues?
[15:31] <tsdgeos> moving the dash around is causing me lots of focus gone bad cases
[15:31] <tsdgeos> and been fighting against that for hours already
[15:32] <mhall119> dbarth: you had mentioned someone on your team who was going to be doing some work on the documentation, and might help me with unity.u.c/get-involved, who was that?
[15:58] <mhall119> dbarth: ??
[16:07] <dbarth> mhall119: either kamstrup for the giraffe tool; or kevin wright for management
[16:07] <malin> is ther a kind of "for dummies"-guide on how to write unity-lenses? I have written one, and have no idea where I have made the mistake(s)
[16:12] <Saviq> malin, did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses ?
[16:17] <g0twig> hey
[16:41] <g0twig> I am just too stupid for BeautifulSoup :(
[16:50] <rye> hm, HUD does not seem to disappear consistently when clicking outside of it
[16:51] <rye> and unity is completely at loss with my open xchats now - 5.2.0+bzr1974ubuntu0+644
[16:51] <rye> i have 3 xchats now :)
[16:52] <eeemsi__> [ 4835.942889] gnome-control-c[4958]: segfault at 2b4d12d0 ip 00007f4d2844dd80 sp 00007fff61207140 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.3116.0[7f4d2841e000+4b000]
[16:54] <eeemsi__> also empathy does not display any bubbles. it is only the icon that changes the color and in the launcher there is displayed the number of new lines…
[16:54] <eeemsi__> don't think that this works as designed - am i wrong?
[16:57] <mhall119> dbarth: what's Kevin's nick?
[16:58] <nloewen> How do I compile unity? the guide linked on the wiki doesn't work.
[16:59] <g0twig> could someone help me with BeatifulSoup parsing?
[17:01] <g0twig> nloewen: what does not work for you
[17:02] <nloewen> when I get to the cmake command, it gives configure errors
[17:02] <rye> also: with hud when I press alt and start typing something it takes about a second until i can enter the text even though the hud already appears
[17:02] <nloewen> I'll paste it for you
[17:03] <nloewen> g0twig: http://pastebin.com/seBA4YL9
[17:03] <rye> ok, ppa is really broken now - firefox started goes to new firefox icon
[17:04] <g0twig> nloewen: hm,
[17:05] <nloewen> g0twig: it was looking in the wrong spot for CMakeLists.txt, so I made a shortcut in the dir it was looking in
[17:05] <g0twig> you mean a link?
[17:06] <nloewen> yea
[17:20] <rye> Also, opening hud, then closing it results in ARN  2012-02-15 19:19:35 unity.hud.hud Hud.cpp:183 Attempted to close the hud connection without starting it sent to stdout (unity --reset)
[17:20] <rye> after
[17:20] <eeemsi__> hm… ok that is absolutly nonesense - why does mod1 + ctrl + t open the terminal by default. it does not matter whether x-terminal-emulator is configured or not
[17:27] <jono> DBO, I assume you are familiar with the issues in the current Unity PPA re. raising apps from the Launcher and apps not showing in Alt-Tab?
[17:28] <DBO> jono, I am aware but completely unable to reproduce the issue
[17:28] <DBO> jono, do you have an app exhibiting the behavior right now?
[17:28] <jono> it happens to Firefox
[17:28] <jono> start Firefox and use your computer (I am in a multi-monitor setup)
[17:28] <jono> at some point Firefox will disppear from Alt Tab
[17:29] <jono> and when you click the icon in the Launcher it will start a new Firefox each time
[17:29] <jono> I just installed a new Unity today, will reboot to see if the same issue is happening
[17:30] <DBO> jono, yeah firefox still working fine here...
[17:30] <rye> DBO, if i currently have gnome-terminal starting new and new instances every time i click on it, will my experience be helpful?
[17:30] <DBO> why can I never be the one with the issue?
[17:30] <DBO> rye, open d-feet
[17:30] <jono> rye, sounds like the same bug
[17:30] <DBO> find org.ayatana.bamf
[17:30] <DBO> and start going throught applications
[17:30] <DBO> looking at the view's Name
[17:30] <DBO> see if you can find it in there
[17:31] <nloewen> DBO: chrome is doing that for me right now.
[17:31] <jono> where do you find the views name?
[17:31] <nloewen> do you need info?
[17:31] <DBO> jono, its in the view interface
[17:31] <DBO> a method called Name()
[17:32] <jono> I see now view interface in d-feet
[17:32] <rye> DBO, i have found the Terminal, what is next?
[17:32] <jono> got it
[17:32] <DBO> okay
[17:32] <DBO> now check if it has any Children()
[17:32] <DBO> if it does, go see if you can find its Children
[17:33] <rye> DBO, it returns 8 windows
[17:33] <DBO> rye, do you have 8 terminals?
[17:33] <DBO> do all those window objects exist on the bus?
[17:34] <rye> DBO, it looks like they do
[17:34] <rye> hm, i see WARN  2012-02-15 19:34:32 unity.glib-gobject <unknown>:0 invalid uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `BamfView'
[17:34] <DBO> gosh darn monkey pop-tart loving sock gobblers
[17:34] <rye> when i am switching between windows though
[17:35] <DBO> yeah
[17:35] <DBO> I have a general idea what is causing this...
[17:35] <jono> I found a firefox window in d-feet
[17:35] <jono> Children gives me []
[17:35] <DBO> jono, the firefox app has children
[17:35] <DBO> not the window
[17:36] <DBO> but you found the window so it likely has a parent
[17:36] <jono> I have no Firefox app in d-feet
[17:36] <jono> found the app
[17:36] <jono> anything I can help with here?
[17:37] <jono> ok rebooting
[17:41] <rye> DBO, i found 6 gnome-terminal windows
[17:41] <DBO> well bamf seems to think you got 8
[17:43] <rye> Interesting, the quick list for gnome-terminal contains "New Terminal", ---, empty label, lock to launcher, quit
[17:43] <g0twig> mhall119: there?
[17:43] <rye> i see that those windows that have this problem have some labels missing
[17:43] <rye> DBO, ^
[17:43] <DBO> mmmm
[17:44] <mhall119> g0twig: yup
[17:44] <DBO> yeah this is almost certainly an issue with teh client side cache
[17:44] <g0twig> mhall119:  some things already work for me in beautifulsoup
[17:45] <mhall119> g0twig: nice
[17:45] <g0twig> mhall119: are you good in using it?
[17:45] <mhall119> at using beautifulsoup?
[17:45] <g0twig> y3s
[17:46] <g0twig> mhall119: wanna see my code?
[17:46] <mhall119> g0twig: sure, but unfortunately I haven't used beautifulsoup much at all
[17:46] <mhall119> or fortunately, depending on your feelings towards html scraping
[17:47] <mhall119> we had it in the Summit project until we had a Launchpad API we could use, then we dropped it
[17:47] <g0twig> http://paste.ubuntu.com/843326/
[17:48] <g0twig> mhall119: launchpad API for what?
[17:48] <mhall119> g0twig: sprints, like UDS
[17:49] <mhall119> g0twig: looks like you're off to a good start, how is the speed of it?
[17:56] <g0twig> mhall119: hm, it takes a while..
[17:57] <g0twig> around 3 seconds
[18:23] <g0twig> mhall119: can you help?
[18:30] <mhall119> g0twig: what's the problem?
[18:31] <g0twig> mhall119: how can I use for in python, lol
[18:31] <g0twig> mhall119: the c / java version
[18:32] <mhall119> you mean a for loop?
[18:33] <g0twig> mhall119: yes, or I would better not use beautifulsoup...
[18:33] <g0twig> its  a bit slow
[18:33] <g0twig> 3 seconds is not fast
[18:33] <g0twig> regex is very fast
[18:34] <g0twig> 0.28126133314 s  , beautifulsoup, 0.000432703726233 s , regex
[18:35] <g0twig> could I use regex for that?
[18:36] <g0twig> lamalex: hey
[18:36] <lamalex> hi
[18:39] <mhall119> g0twig: regex would work, if the HTML you are parsing makes it easy
[18:40] <g0twig> mhall119: what means :P?
[18:43] <mhall119> g0twig: if the elements you want have id or class attributes that make it easy to match, then a regex will work
[18:43] <mhall119> if not, doing a regex right is hard
[18:44] <g0twig> nearly all elements have classes
[18:44] <g0twig> in one case, not, but its easy in that case
[18:44] <g0twig> couse the / is a seperator
[18:44] <g0twig> mhall119: do you checked out my blueprint? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lens-cooking/+spec/recipefy-scope
[18:44] <mhall119> g0twig: I skimmed it earlier
[18:45] <g0twig> badenwuerttemberg
[18:45] <g0twig> lol
[18:47] <nava> Hi mhall119
[18:47] <mhall119> hi nava
[18:48] <nava> is dodge really remove from 12.04
[18:48] <mhall119> nava: yes, but auto-hide is still there
[18:48] <mhall119> it's really not as bad as it seems
[18:49] <nava> mhall119: one of the best features of unity is best and compelete full screen
[18:50] <mhall119> nava: most people will get the same experience with either auto-hide or always-show
[18:50] <nava> I hope
[18:50] <mhall119> and the fact is that it failed real user testing, and we have to accept the results even when we don't like them
[18:51] <nava> is it back in future ? (i mean dodge)
[18:51] <mhall119> nava: there are no plans to bring it back, but who knows what the future holds
[18:51] <mhall119> maybe if someone can find a way to make it test better it'll come back
[18:52] <nava> I hear dodge make bug in unity so it is remove right ?
[18:53] <nava> but i never feel any bug of it in 11.04 and 11.10
[18:54] <mhall119> I don't think it had a bug, but it's not worth keeping and maintaining something that produced a negative user experience
[18:54] <g0twig> mhall119: cite?
[18:54] <g0twig> mhall119: its a lie.
[18:54] <mhall119> g0twig: cite what?
[18:55] <g0twig> mhall119: mark said the same
[18:55] <mhall119> the same what?
[18:55] <nava> so why dont have an option to enable it in settings ?
[18:55] <g0twig> mhall119: the same in relation to the removement of dodge
[18:55] <mhall119> nava: because then the option has to be maintained, upgraded along with the rest of the stack, tested in all it's various interactions, etc
[18:55] <mhall119> options are expensive
[18:56] <mhall119> sometimes they're not worth the expense
[18:56] <g0twig> see apple for reference xD
[18:56] <nava> thanks and also what about global menu ? i hope dont remove it
[18:57] <mhall119> nava: it's not being removed, but the menus are being put into the window decorations of un-maximized windows as well
[18:58] <nava> So we have both in un-maximaized window , menu in window top and also global menu on panel right ?
[18:58] <mhall119> nava: I'm not sure exactly how it'll work, I haven't run the new code yet
[18:58] <nava> ok
[18:59] <g0twig> I am lost, in all this documentation about regex and BeautifulSoup...
[18:59] <nava> thanks, also i have a mock-up solution for compelete full screen
[18:59] <nava> can i mail it to you ?
[19:00] <g0twig> nava: just post a link here..
[19:00] <nava> where can upload it ?
[19:01] <g0twig> nava: imgbin
[19:02] <mhall119> nava: not to me, send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:03] <nava> Thanks Michell
[19:03] <g0twig> nava: pls post it here
[19:03] <nava> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=6803
[19:03] <g0twig> nava: thx
[19:03] <nava> welcome
[19:05] <nava> i think when user click on maximized button let him choose between full or not full (with luncher or not)
[19:05]  * mhall119 is Michael
[19:05] <nava> Sorry for my english Michael :p
[19:05] <mhall119> nava: what would happen if one windows is maximized "full" and another "not full"
[19:06] <nava> in my mock-up ?
[19:06] <mhall119> yeah
[19:07] <nava> maybe dodge again
[19:08] <nava> or user should click on un maximized
[19:08] <nava> to can work
[19:08] <mhall119> nava: the problem, as I understand it, is that users were confused by why the launcher would hide, and how to get it back
[19:08] <nava> same you click on f11 in a browser
[19:09] <mhall119> pressing f11 isn't a normal user operation though
[19:09] <mhall119> moving a window around on screen is
[19:09] <mhall119> users moved a non-maximized window, suddenly the launcher is gone, they don't know why
[19:09] <mhall119> or they maximize the window and now can't see the launcher, not sure how to get it back
[19:09] <nava> I dont mean user should click on f11 i mean user can work with other window in full mode
[19:10] <nava> until he click on un maximized button
[19:11] <nava> but all user move mouse to left
[19:11] <g0twig> nava: why dont you disscuss this in the design channel?
[19:11] <nava> when it hide
[19:11] <g0twig>  #ubuntu-design
[19:11] <nava> oh sorry if i discuss on wrong channel
[19:12] <nava> i thought i should talk in unity cuz it a feature of it
[19:14] <nava> Thanks g0twig and mhall119
[19:15] <eeemsi__> where do i have to configure the default terminal?
[19:15] <g0twig> nava: its not realy unity
[19:16] <nava> yes i was wrong,thanks
[19:16] <g0twig> eeemsi__: sudo update-alternatives –config x-terminal-emulator
[19:16] <eeemsi__> i did that
[19:16] <g0twig> eeemsi__: so?
[19:17] <g0twig> mhall119: do you know how I can use loops with BeautifulSoup?
[19:17] <g0twig> mhall119: it only searchs for one match
[19:17] <g0twig> mhall119: I want all
[19:18] <eeemsi__> but it still opens the gnome-terminal
[19:21] <eeemsi__> Priority   Status has to be changed also?
[19:25] <mhall119> g0twig: I don't know, sorry, have you checked the BS documentation?
[19:26] <g0twig> eeemsi__: priority?
[19:27] <eeemsi__> lets say i want to open xterm if the combination ctrl+mod1 + t is pressed
[19:27] <eeemsi__> what do i have to change?
[19:36] <g0twig> eeemsi__: wait
[19:38] <g0twig> eeemsi__: ccsm, gnome compatibility
[19:40] <eeemsi__> and that is the only way?!
[19:40] <eeemsi__> no config file?
[19:42] <mhall119> JohnLea: ping
[19:42] <rye> eeemsi, gsettings  at org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.terminal tree
[19:44] <eeemsi__> rye: ?
[19:44] <rye> eeemsi__, for current value - $ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.terminal exec
[19:45] <rye> eeemsi__, and for argument to execute something - gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.terminal exec-arg
[19:46] <rye> eeemsi__, and use e.g. $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.defaul-applications.terminal exec xterm
[19:46] <rye> eeemsi__, $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.defauly-applications.terminal exec xterm
[19:47] <eeemsi__> rye: thank you very much - it works \o/
[19:49] <eeemsi__> so that means i can start an urxvtd via xsession and put more and more urxvtc to it?
[19:51] <mhall119> aren't ayatana-scrollbars already working for Qt apps?
[19:51] <eeemsi__> oh unity does not check if it is already running ;)
[19:53] <malin> I really don't know how to make this lense working: https://code.launchpad.net/unity-buss
[19:56] <thumper> Arrrhhhggg.....
[19:56]  * thumper runs around in a small circle
[19:56] <thumper> feature freeze...
[19:56]  * thumper esplodes
[19:57]  * thomi gets his umbrella
[19:58] <eeemsi__> oops to many crashes … ;)
[20:00] <mgedmin> how can I teach bamf to recognize my gvim windows, when I launch vim in a terminal and then use :gui?
[20:00] <mhall119> Cimi: can you check on https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/6062 for me?  I don't know enough about ayatana-scrollbars and Qt to know if the comment is correct or not
[20:00] <eeemsi__> why does the apport window has a fixed size?
[20:00] <Cimi> mhall119, indeed
[20:01] <mhall119> Cimi: so it's a bug in ayatana-scrollbar?
[20:01] <mhall119> or Qt?
[20:01] <mhall119> or are you just confiming that I don't know enough? ;)
[20:03] <g0twig> mhall119: I dont know why my parse command do not work...
[20:03] <g0twig> 'commands'
[20:03] <g0twig> mhall119: I cant get the name of the recipe
[20:04] <mhall119> g0twig: I'm afraid I won't be much help when it comes to BS or HTML parsing
[20:05] <Cimi> mhall119, no implementation in qt
[20:05] <mhall119> Cimi: ah, I thought we did
[20:06] <mhall119> Cimi: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/+bug/847966 the proper bug for that?
[20:07] <Cimi> mhall119, nobody is working on it
[20:08] <mhall119> ok, but I've been tasked with making sure there is a bug report for where we don't have full Unity integration, so I just need a bug to reference for VLC scrollbars
[20:10]  * Debolaz does his daily check on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/930515 and sees its still there. :(
[20:11] <eeemsi__> when will libreoffice 3.5.0 be in ubuntu 12.04?
[20:12] <eeemsi__> sorry for that more offtopic question
[20:12] <bschaefer> thomi, hey, just sent you an email about the ibus test
[20:16] <thomi> bschaefer: cool - I'll append that to the end of my work queue ;)
[20:16] <thomi> bschaefer: what timezone are you in BTW?
[20:16] <gotwig> yeah it works
[20:16] <gotwig> partialy
[20:16] <bschaefer> thomi, PST - 8
[20:16] <bschaefer> thomi, west coast USA
[20:16] <thomi> bschaefer: ok, so we have a reasonably long overlap - that's good
[20:17]  * thomi is in NZ
[20:17] <bschaefer> thomi, yeah you are 21 hours ahead of me
[20:17] <thomi> ...which I think is +1300 right now
[20:17] <thomi> living in the future...
[20:17] <bschaefer> thomi, I know its lonely here on firday
[20:17] <thomi> ...and for me on Monday
[20:18] <bschaefer> thomi, haha, yeah
[20:18] <bschaefer> thomi, let me know if you need anymore clarification on ibus stuff!
[20:18] <bschaefer> thomi, when you get to it
[20:18] <thomi> thanks
[20:19] <thomi> shouldn't be too long - just need to get some autopilot stuff sorted out first
[20:19] <bschaefer> thomi, cool, have fun!
[20:20] <bschaefer> the autopilot stuff is awesome to watch
[20:21] <thomi> yeah - it's a great excuse to not do any work "I'm waiting for autopilot to finish"!
[20:21] <thomi> It's the QA team's version of "I'm waiting for my code to compile"
[20:21] <bschaefer> haha
[20:22] <eeemsi__> ok thanks again for the help - have a nice evening
[20:24] <davmor2> thomi: is there code somewhere for autopilot?
[20:24] <thomi> davmor2: it's inside the unity source tree: lp:unity
[20:24] <thomi> in tests/autopilot
[20:25] <davmor2> thomi: oh cool ta
[20:26] <thomi> np
[20:26] <davmor2> thomi: I'd be interested to see if it can drive USC or not :)
[20:26] <thomi> what do you mean by "drive"?
[20:28] <davmor2> thomi: run test cases for USC
[20:29] <thomi> davmor2: uhhh, sure, I guess. depending on what your test cases are, but it's pretty unity-specific.
[20:30] <davmor2> thomi: ah gord wasn't that specific he just mentioned it and couldn't find the code,  I'll stick with sikuli for now then
[20:34] <malin> Saviq: I paied attention to that site, but I used this one: http://saravananthirumuruganathan.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/tutorial-on-writing-ubuntu-lensesplaces-in-python/ when I tried to create my lens
[20:34] <malin> my lens is this: https://code.launchpad.net/unity-buss
[20:36] <mhall119> malin: are you running this on Oneiric or Precise?
[20:36] <malin> Precise
[20:36] <malin> but I first tried to run it on Oneiric
[20:36] <malin> but I am running Precise now
[20:37] <mhall119> malin: ok, the API for lenses changed between Oneiric and Precise, in case you're not aware of that
[20:38] <mhall119> also, you have self._scope commented out on line 21 of buss.py, but then you're referencing it on line 27, which will cause an error
[20:38] <malin> mhall119: I don't think I knew, så thanx
[20:38] <malin> mhall119: ah
[20:38] <malin> mhall119: Do I need a scope-file?
[20:39] <mhall119> no
[20:39] <malin> mhall119: and I also wonder if the DBusPath and so is right?
[20:39] <mhall119> you only need that if your scope is running in a separate process from your lens
[20:39] <malin> mhall119: okey, then I can just remove all references to scope
[20:40] <mhall119> yes, but you will need at least one scope running for your lens to be functionaly
[20:40] <malin> ah, okey
[20:41] <gotwig> malin: do you saw the example files?
[20:41] <gotwig> malin: for wikipedia scope & example lens
[20:41] <mhall119> malin: you might also be interested in my python library Singlet: http://mhall119.com/2012/01/singlet-part-0-2/
[20:42] <gotwig> parsing data is so hard :(
[20:42] <gotwig> without an api...
[20:42] <malin> gotwig: I did, and I couldn't figure out 100% how to do it
[20:42] <gotwig> malin: did it not run for you?
[20:42] <gotwig> malin: the example files
[20:43] <malin> gotwig: I didn't try to run the example files, but I know I should have tested that
[20:43] <malin> in the lens-file, Do I set an accurate path to the scope-call-thing?
[20:46] <gotwig> malin: just checkout the example files, lol...
[20:46] <gotwig> malin: need a link?
[20:46] <mhall119> malin: what scope-call-thing?
[20:47] <mhall119> malin: "Shortcut" in the .lens file should only be a single character, and will be super+<shortcut> to go directly to that lens
[20:48] <malin> mhall119: this one: self._scope = Unity.Scope.new ("/net/buss/lens/buss/")  <-- I edited the path
[20:49] <malin> mhall119: okey, I changed it to b
[20:50] <mhall119> malin: that should be fine, as long as it's unique
[20:50] <mhall119> for the dbus path that is
[20:51] <malin> I see, I don't think it's in conflict with other things
[20:51] <malin> how does the dbus path works? I feel I have messed up things?
[20:51] <malin> I placed the service-file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services
[20:54] <mhall119> malin: it basically just tells dbus where to find it
[20:54] <mhall119> your code says "Hey dbus, I'm going to live here"
[20:54] <malin> oki
[20:54] <mhall119> then other code says "Hey dbus, give me the object that lives there"
[20:55] <malin> hm, does that means I have made the linking right?
[20:56] <malin> or do I have to write the path like this? : /usr/share/dbus-1/service   or like today: /net/buss/lens/buss   ?
[20:59] <mhall119> the dbus path isn't the same as the file path
[21:00] <malin> okey
[21:00] <malin> os the path should just have the same name as the name of the service-file?
[21:00] <malin> I don't know what it should point towards
[21:00] <malin> I am actually complete noob on this yet :)
[21:05] <mhall119> the path in your code would need to match the path in your .lens and .service files
[21:06] <malin> ah, så det service-file should contain a path to the lense, and the .lens should have the path to .service-file?
[21:06] <malin> but how do I write the path, if it should not be a file-path ?
[21:09] <mhall119> it looks like a file path, but it isn't a place on the disk
[21:09] <malin> so where is it then?
[21:09] <malin> Is this I really don't understand I belive
[21:10] <mhall119> malin: in memory, the path just helps dbus keep things organized
[21:10] <malin> but there must be some how to write the right path
[21:11] <mhall119> there isn't a "right" path, you just have to use the "same" path everywhere you are referring to your lens
[21:11] <malin> ah
[21:12] <gotwig> mhall119: May I execute PHP code by a lens?
[21:12] <gotwig> mhall119: excuse me, by a scope
[21:13] <mhall119> gotwig: technically yes, but that sounds like a bad idea to me
[21:17] <gotwig> mhall119: google has an api for its recipe search
[21:17] <gotwig> would be the perfect thing
[21:17] <gotwig> http://code.google.com/intl/de-DE/apis/base/samples/php/demo-zend.php.txt
[21:18] <gotwig> oh its something other, sry
[21:18] <malin> mhall119: hm, I still can't get it to run :(
[21:19] <mhall119> malin: I noticed that your buss.py isn't running in a Gtk MainLoop
[21:19] <mhall119> you need that for your lens to keep running
[21:20] <malin> mhall119: ah, hm, I don't think there is any loop there?
[21:21] <malin> but is that part of what's preventing the lens to start?
[21:21] <mhall119> malin: yes
[21:21] <malin> mhall119: aha
[21:22] <malin> thank you so much for helping me, now I just have to figure out how to put the code into the gtk-mainloop
[21:22] <mhall119> malin: it should be in the sample
[21:23] <malin> mhall119: okey, in the samplecode?
[21:25] <mhall119> malin: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-sample/python-5.0/view/head:/unity-lens-sample
[21:25] <mhall119> line 61 to the end of the file
[21:26] <malin> so all I ahve to do is: write the line on 61, and put all my code from buss.py line 33 and to the end, into it?
[21:26] <malin> s/ahve/all/
[21:26] <malin> s/all/have/
[21:27] <gotwig> has anyone experience with the google search api?
[21:48] <malin> mhall119: it still won't run, but when I figure out how, I will update my launchpad-page with the new code
[22:01] <malin> mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~malinkb/unity-buss/unity-buss-experimental/files  //the build- and dist folders is to be ignored


[05:31] <inetpro> good morning
[05:56] <Kilos> good morning guys
[06:09] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[06:09] <Kilos> oh
[06:09] <Kilos> too early
[06:12] <Kilos> wbb
[06:30] <DigiGram> maaz, coffee on
[06:30]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for DigiGram!
[06:37] <DigiGram> Maaz, bot cookie for you
[06:37] <Maaz> DigiGram: Huh?
[06:38] <Kilos> hi DigiGram
[06:38] <DigiGram> hi Kilos
[06:41] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[06:42] <Kilos> hi inetpro  for twitter
[06:42] <inetpro> now you must speak to nuvolari to lead the meeting again
[06:42] <Kilos> ok will do
[06:42] <inetpro> I set up the Agenda and all...
[06:43] <Kilos> good man
[06:44] <inetpro> Kilos: BTW, wb and good morning
[06:45] <inetpro> did you get a few drops yet?
[06:45] <Kilos> lol ty
[06:45] <Kilos> 3
[06:45] <inetpro> you see I told you it's coming
[06:45] <Kilos> we need 300mm not 3
[06:46] <inetpro> ai!
[06:46] <inetpro> ondankbaar
[06:46] <inetpro> say thank you before you can get more
[06:47] <Kilos> haha ek het man. im thankful for every drop
[06:47] <inetpro> ahh ok :-)
[06:47] <inetpro> ek maak net seker
[06:47] <Kilos> hehe
[06:48] <Kilos> you should type out what i must tweet man
[06:49] <Kilos> my fingers are old
[06:49] <inetpro> ai
[06:49] <Kilos> and where is sflr
[06:49] <Kilos> maybe the fly knows
[06:50] <Kilos> i wonder what happened about the UH they were planning to have
[06:53] <inetpro> Next #ubuntu-za meeting on Monday, 15 October at 19:30 SAST. Agenda: http://bit.ly/SKJR0j
[06:53] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[06:53] <Kilos> too late
[06:54] <inetpro> ai
[06:54] <inetpro> np
[06:54] <Kilos> lol
[06:55] <inetpro> Kilos: stuur daai ^^ met reminder vooraan so by Donderdag of Vrydag
[06:55] <Kilos> ok sal save iewers
[06:55]  * inetpro goes back to work some more
[06:56] <Kilos> maybe we need a bit to help peeps get to #ubuntu-za
[06:57] <Kilos> looks like only us few know about quassel and xchat
[06:58] <DigiGram> We started using Hexchat on Campus yesterday when our internal chat server collapsed
[06:59] <Kilos> well where theres a will theres a way
[06:59] <Kilos> but some peeps prefer doing things via mailing lists
[06:59] <Kilos> fools
[06:59] <DigiGram> for me thats to old
[07:03] <Kilos> i dont understand their way of thinking. this is so much better than waiting for replies via email
[07:04] <DigiGram> for some stuff I actually prefer forums to get the best answer for something where you can wait for a while. But for instant answers or giving instant answers to people, this is best
[07:04] <Kilos> inetpro, is there a force quit for kde?
[07:05] <DigiGram> to restart KDE?
[07:05] <Kilos> no to kill a package thats stuck while installing from synaptic
[07:05] <DigiGram> oh
[07:06] <DigiGram> doesn't it maybe get stuck because its waiting for user interaction?
[07:06] <Kilos> nope it tells me please wait
[07:06] <DigiGram> in synaptic click on the more details or something button (on the downloading/installing screen)
[07:06] <DigiGram> oh, okay, thats not it then
[07:07] <Kilos> 30 mins to install a firewall is not good
[07:07] <Kilos> i cant even close synaptic
[07:08] <DigiGram> alt gr + print scrn + K will kill X and restart that. or you can use xkill -9 with the pid of synaptic
[07:09] <Kilos> other flavours have a package called forcequit
[07:09] <Kilos> works well
[07:10] <Kilos> cant find it in kde though
[07:10] <DigiGram> havent tried stuff like that
[07:10] <DigiGram> I always use $ps ax | grep synaptic
[07:11] <DigiGram> to get the PID
[07:11] <DigiGram> then $xkill -9 12345 (where 12345 is the PID)
[07:11] <DigiGram> might be just kill -9 and not xkill, can't remember
[07:11] <Kilos> im lost there
[07:12] <DigiGram> open your terminal and type
[07:12] <DigiGram> ps ax | grep synaptic
[07:12] <DigiGram> what values do you get?
[07:12] <Kilos> forcequit is an icon you get on a panel and then tick it and tick what you wanna kill
[07:13] <Kilos> lotsa stuff
[07:13] <DigiGram> ah okay. I had one just like that on KDE, but I set it up wrong, so upon startup it activated and I had to kill at least one window before I could go on with my work lol
[07:14] <Kilos> lol
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: I can't remember
[07:14] <Kilos> it popped a setup window but im not ready to setup yet need to find out more first
[07:15]  * inetpro has not needed to forcefully kill an app on kde for a long time
[07:15] <Kilos> now thats missing in action
[07:15] <Kilos> it seems to be waiting for me to setup
[07:16] <inetpro> what I do use sometimes is the System Activity application (by simply pressing Ctrl+Esc)
[07:16] <Kilos> ah will try that
[07:16] <inetpro> that is like top or htop on the cli
[07:17] <Kilos> whew too much in there
[07:17] <inetpro> makes it easy to identify problems
[07:18] <Kilos> seems like it cant configure till i go through the setup stuff
[07:19] <Kilos> superfly, morning, you busy?
[07:20] <Kilos> i dunno what to tell arno in each step
[07:21] <Kilos> aw setup window gone again
[07:21] <Kilos> grrr
[07:21] <SmilyBorg_w> Hey all
[07:21] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg you been scarce
[07:22] <SmilyBorg> Yeah, been rather busy so been staying off IRC for a while
[07:22] <Kilos> irc isnt work
[07:22] <SmilyBorg> its a bit distracting though
[07:23] <Kilos> lol yeah
[07:23] <superfly> hi Kilos, rather busy at the moment
[07:23] <SmilyBorg> email is even distracting for me. I have this weird OCD thing where I can't have any unread messages in my inbox
[07:24] <Kilos> ty superfly np
[07:24] <Kilos> its missing anyway
[07:24] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: OCD thing?
[07:24] <SmilyBorg> obsessive compulsive
[07:25] <inetpro> ahh :-)
[07:26] <SmilyBorg> so... anyone else running 12.10 beta?
[07:27] <superfly> yup, me
[07:28] <SmilyBorg> how are you finding it? lots of little crashes?
[07:28] <SmilyBorg> been running on my laptop since just before software freedom day and on one of my desktops since beta 2 came out
[07:28] <superfly> Nope. All is good, but then I'm using KDE :-D
[07:29] <SmilyBorg> aah. I see little crashes in colord and some gnome calendar thing, but nothing that actually affects me doing anything
[07:30] <superfly> Biggest improvement for me is no more buggy nVidia drivers!
[07:30] <SmilyBorg> been using unity on my laptop and I'm surprised how responsive it is. I used to have to use the 2D/classic gnome thing  in 12.04 since AMD/ATI dropped support for my video card
[07:30] <superfly> I don't have to download the drivers from the nVidia site anymore
[07:30] <SmilyBorg> oh? you sing the opensource or closed nVidia drivers?
[07:30] <SmilyBorg> cool
[07:31] <SmilyBorg> my work and home desktops have nVidia cards and I've never had any issues
[07:34] <SmilyBorg> anyway, trying to get a mirror setup for 12.10 to take along to our Durban release party thing
[07:34] <SmilyBorg> yay for bandwidth at work
[07:35] <DigiGram> I love the bandwidth at work :)
[07:36] <DigiGram> I can't use the full speed since I only have a 100Mb/s hub before me, but others get better speed
[07:36] <DigiGram> mine, uncapped at: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2120673249.png
[07:36] <SmilyBorg> its only a 4Mbit mweb uncapped thing, but its better than my 1Mbit at home and the work line is unused in the evenings at the moment since the bosses are in Australia for 2 weeks
[07:37] <SmilyBorg> dude, not fair
[07:38] <DigiGram> and we are on the TENET ring, so any file hosted by TENET gets delivered to you at the network max
[07:41]  * SmilyBorg nods
[07:41] <SmilyBorg> wouldnt mind getting a connection into that
[07:41] <DigiGram> its lovely
[07:41] <DigiGram> to bad I'm leaving it behinf
[07:41] <DigiGram> *behind
[07:48]  * superfly just "upgraded" to 10Mbps at home
[07:48] <superfly> Though apparently my ADSL is syncing at 7
[07:49] <Kilos> whew
[07:50] <SmilyBorg> I must check up on mine. aparently the line should have gone up to 2Mbit, though I'm still on a 1Mbit uncapped thing
[07:51] <DigiGram> Telkom is in the process of bumping those up
[07:51] <DigiGram> mybroadband said when it would be done, can't remember
[07:52] <SmilyBorg> 1->2Mbit was supposed to be done last month and finnishing off this month. 384k->1M is this month and next
[07:52] <DigiGram> ah okay
[07:54] <superfly> Line speed at work today is not too bad, 6.9Mbps
[07:56] <Kilos> quicky superfly internal network interface, do i enter pc2's ip addy there?
[07:57] <superfly> Kilos: which PC are you on?
[07:58] <Kilos> pc1
[07:58] <Kilos> kde
[07:58] <superfly> Kilos: no, that would be PC1's network card
[07:59] <Kilos> oh my thats a mb thing
[07:59] <superfly> Kilos: eth0, or whatever your network card's name is
[08:01] <Kilos> ah that i can find with nm
[08:02] <Kilos> Wired connection 1
[08:02] <Kilos> didnt do eth0 this time i dunno why
[08:52] <magespawn> good morning all
[08:58] <magespawn> DigiGram: just had a look at your speed png and thought "That is not so fast" then realised that is was in mb, lol
[09:06] <tonberryE352> that ping time...
[09:06] <DigiGram> hehe yeah magespawn
[09:06] <tonberryE352> The download rate i can beat
[09:07] <tonberryE352> but something adds a bunch of latency to this network
[09:08] <DigiGram> my download rate is because of the hub before my pc, will try to get a speedtest from someone on a faster hub
[09:08] <tonberryE352> for some reason upload here wont go above 50MBit
[09:08] <tonberryE352> oh well
[09:09] <magespawn> think that is fast enough
[09:09] <tonberryE352> not like anything besides tenet can sustain that to me anyway
[09:09] <magespawn> the rest of us are stilll working kb
[09:09] <tonberryE352> at 5c/mb it basically means i get bankrupt faster....
[09:10] <DigiGram> precicely, I download at about 1MB/s or slower since moest sites are slow
[09:10] <tonberryE352> R1.5/s
[09:11] <DigiGram> uncapped for me :)
[09:12] <DigiGram> okay, guy a building from me has this, slower ping though: http://speedtest.net/result/2230125979.png
[09:13] <DigiGram> we use the same cache server, but are on different end-hubs obviously
[09:13] <tonberryE352> caching should make no difference to speedtest
[09:14] <DigiGram> yeah, but what I mean is we use the same internet connection
[09:16] <magespawn> i think i need to get a job at a university
[09:16] <magespawn> they seem to have some of the best internet in south africa
[09:17] <DigiGram> yes we do magespawn
[09:17] <DigiGram> I thought the speeds will crumble when the introduced uncapped to the students at R950 per year, and free to personell, but I was wrong
[09:18] <magespawn> that is insane
[09:19] <tonberryE352> i predict that if they give us uncapped here that the first month or so will be hell on the network
[09:19] <magespawn> at thtat price it covers about 2.5 months for me
[09:19] <tonberryE352> and after that everyone has all the massive stuff they want
[09:20] <DigiGram> it's hell yeah, but currently we have 5 very good connections to the TENET ring, we pay Telkom a lot for those I hear
[09:20] <tonberryE352> 5?
[09:20] <tonberryE352> wow
[09:20] <magespawn> i would say goodbye to tv
[09:21] <DigiGram> I knew about 4, but they introduced a new cache server, so I presume it's a new connection as well
[09:21] <DigiGram> TV? whats that ;)
[09:21] <tonberryE352> why bother with caching if you have that kind of bandwidth?
[09:22] <DigiGram> Well, from what I hear, the caching is making our browsing slower
[09:22] <magespawn> indeed
[09:22] <tonberryE352> i would suspect so
[09:23] <DigiGram> you can download a ubuntu cd in a couple of seconds (thank you TENET), but try to access FaceFlop. Takes a minute or so to load
[09:23] <magespawn> you want to expand the it dep or the it studies show ppl what you can do with that sort of speed
[09:24] <magespawn> most ppl are not aware of what is out there on the net
[09:24] <magespawn> FaceFlop is probable restricted
[09:25] <magespawn> ironic considering where it is supposed to have started
[09:25] <DigiGram> nope, they lifted the restriction, but it has to do with the amount of stuff that needs to be downloaded
[09:27] <magespawn> but it does not take that long for me
[09:27] <DigiGram> because you don't have to run around in our cache servers to look for each and every file to see if it is in there already.
[09:32] <magespawn> ahh so the cache actually slows down load time in certain cases
[09:33] <DigiGram> yes, since our cache is VERY large (about 10'000 users, luckily not all at once)
[09:33] <magespawn> would there be a way for you tell it to not use the cache
[09:34] <DigiGram> for an end user like me we must connect to the cache server where squid helps you to the internet
[09:37] <magespawn> i was thinking of having something like that here at my shop, i do not think i would have the problem of 10,000 users though
[09:38] <DigiGram> hehe
[09:38] <DigiGram> squid plays nice once you get it configures
[09:39] <magespawn> am working on having a town wide wifi network though so good to know
[09:40] <DigiGram> town wide sucj as the one in Stellenbosch?
[09:43] <magespawn> yup but not that big Hluhluwe is a lot smaller
[09:43] <DigiGram> would be nice
[09:45] <magespawn> and mine will not be free unfortunately
[09:46] <DigiGram> you must just get by the ISP's for reselling their internet
[09:46] <magespawn> there are a few options there, still working out the details
[09:48] <DigiGram> In Parys we had a guy that split his telkom ADSL to about 15 houses in his block, without asking permission. hehe
[09:55] <magespawn> and what happened?
[09:56] <DigiGram> I hear they lauched it off and asked him to stop. It was in the early days of ADSL, so I don't know what speeds the households actually had
[09:56] <magespawn> i wonder what the rules are regarding that
[09:57] <DigiGram> its forbidden
[09:57] <DigiGram> by ICASA as far as I know
[09:57] <DigiGram> anybody here that knows PyQt?
[10:16] <not_found> any python guru's here... ?
[10:17] <DigiGram> depends on the level you need hehe
[10:17] <not_found> just a simple maths issue DigiGram
[10:18] <DigiGram> I can try to help
[10:18] <not_found> doing a coursera programming fundementals course and keep getting an error with one of my definitions... works with the examples but when they grade I get an error and I can't figure out why?!
[10:18] <magespawn> superfly but he might be busy
[10:19] <not_found> http://pastebin.com/5VXWp7AS
[10:19] <not_found> this is the simple definition I have to make ...
[10:19] <not_found> I just added the return line, the rest was already given
[10:21] <not_found> thanks magespawn
[10:21] <not_found> not important enough really
[10:21] <not_found> just annoying
[10:26] <DigiGram> sorry was busy quickly
[10:27] <magespawn> Digigram I have to apply for a licence to operate a commercial hot spot, have all the forms from ICASA
[10:27] <DigiGram> cool magespawn
[10:28] <DigiGram> do they give you any reason for the error?
[10:28] <superfly> DigiGram: show me the money... I mean, the code
[10:28] <DigiGram> and for the example, did you use their interpreter or yours?
[10:29] <not_found> http://pastebin.com/9Df7siyz
[10:29] <superfly> not_found: why are you rounding?
[10:29] <not_found> this is the only error I get
[10:29] <DigiGram> superfly I needed to send stuff to a printer from python, but it seems as if qprinter will be my friend
[10:29] <not_found> superfly, look at the examples they have added, they want it with one decimal ?!
[10:30]  * not_found could try removing the rounding and re-submit and see
[10:30] <superfly> not_found: What happens when time_1 is slightly smaller than time_2?
[10:30] <superfly> (as per their results)
[10:31] <not_found> -0.0
[10:31] <not_found> could it be the - perhaps?
[10:32] <superfly> probably
[10:33] <not_found> err... now I wonder how to stop that from happening except for testing for 0.0 and changing it... which I doubt is what they want
[10:33] <not_found> thx for the tip, I will wait for reply on the forum
[10:34] <superfly> http://codepad.org/ps9eYIhT
[10:34] <DigiGram> I don't think so, to much of the other cases failed without the -0.0 problem
[10:35] <superfly> not_found: doesn't tell us why the other ones failed
[10:35] <not_found> true
[10:36] <superfly> not_found: how long is the turnaround time from submitting to getting results?
[10:36] <not_found> 30 seconds...
[10:36] <not_found> not sure how many submittions before it won't work anymore
[10:38] <not_found> Don't waste to much brain power on this one.  The purpose is to start writing defenitions etc... not so much figuring out why our math doesn't align :)
[10:39] <not_found> superfly, removed the rounding and got full marks
[10:39] <not_found> well 50% as I submitted a day late :'(
[10:39] <superfly> :-(
[10:39] <not_found> thanks superfly DigiGram etc. for assisting
[10:39] <not_found> I thought I had two weeks
[10:39] <DigiGram> plesure
[10:40] <DigiGram> I liked the coursera stuff, but only completed my udacity courses
[10:40] <not_found> was 90% complete last week already and postponed until today... very pee'd with myself at the momenmt
[10:41] <not_found> and no, playing so much games isn't to blame... oh wait... might be >.<
[10:43] <DigiGram> hehe
[10:45] <not_found> cheers guys... will be back later
[10:45] <DigiGram> cheers
[10:49] <magespawn> DigiGram: have found that most of the ISP do not mind what youdo with their product but you have to have ICASA licences
[10:51] <DigiGram> okay, I thought both ICASA and ISP would mind
[10:56] <magespawn> so did I  but there we go
[11:01] <magespawn> superfly where do you most of your programming?
[11:01] <superfly> magespawn: as in programming language, or as in company?
[11:01] <magespawn> no as in IDE or text editor etc?
[11:02] <superfly> oh
[11:02] <magespawn> i assume it is python for the language
[11:02] <superfly> for Python I used to use Eric4, but these days I use PyCharm (we got an open source license for OpenLP)
[11:02] <superfly> For the C++ stuff we do at work we use Eclipse
[11:03] <magespawn> i like Eric
[11:03] <magespawn> Eclipse can apparently do a lot if the right stuff is added to it
[11:04] <magespawn> the irony of using windows is the programs that give little or no hassels are FOSS
[11:07] <magespawn> you know getting to know the ppl here and linux and the open source way of doing things is really not good for my blood pressure
[11:10] <superfly> magespawn: why is that?
[11:11] <Kilos> lol
[11:17] <magespawn> superfly when i have to deal with websites that assume the software/program/patch i am trying to download is for the machine i am downloading on and will not let me change it
[11:17] <magespawn> no open source site that I have used does that
[11:17] <magespawn> only ones who mainly cater to windows
[11:18] <superfly> ah, OK
[11:24] <magespawn> funny how ones perceptions and expectations change
[11:28] <superfly> indeed
[11:37] <magespawn> brb
[12:06] <Kilos> magespawn, im stupid i know but after so many installs i cant find what file i have to uncomment one line
[12:07] <Kilos> was /etc/networks/something
[12:07] <Kilos> how good is your lost and found
[12:07] <Kilos> for that iptables thing
[12:09] <superfly> Kilos: you mean NAT?
[12:10] <Kilos> whew i cant remember superfly and cant find what it was but will recognise it when i see the file
[12:10] <Kilos> i hope
[12:11] <Kilos> its a file with lotsa commented stuff in
[12:11] <superfly> Kilos: if I had even an ounce of an idea of what you're talking about, it would help
[12:12] <Kilos> it allows wired connection
[12:12] <superfly> "allows wired connection"?
[12:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:12] <Kilos> it might be nat
[12:13] <Kilos> whats the path to that file?
[12:13] <Kilos> starts /etc/networks/right?
[12:14] <Kilos> ive saved all other links and help files but not with the file to uncomment one line
[12:15] <Kilos> oh maybe it was in chat logs on other pc
[12:16] <Kilos> oh my
[12:20] <Kilos> a rules file maybe
[12:20] <Kilos> ip rules?
[12:21] <Kilos> i think i saved the info on my stick and then made the stick a kde install stick
[12:21] <Kilos> twit
[12:29] <Kilos> wbb
[12:58] <magespawn> Kilos I remember you doing that but also cannot remember the file
[13:05] <Kilos> lol
[13:06] <Kilos> was #somethingsomethingsomething forward
[13:06] <Kilos> hehe
[13:07] <magespawn> somthing like for sure
[13:07] <Kilos> hehe
[13:15] <tonberryE352>  /etc/sysctl.conf
[13:15] <tonberryE352> net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[13:15] <tonberryE352> ??
[13:21] <Kilos> ty ty ty Tonberry
[13:21] <Kilos> how did you remember that
[13:25] <tonberryE352> i have set that up a few times
[13:26] <Kilos> whew
[14:17] <magespawn> cool the power of the irc
[14:39] <Kilos> hehe
[16:16] <Squirm> evening
[16:16] <charlvn> good evening
[16:17] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee please
[16:17] <Maaz> charlvn: There isn't a pot on
[16:17] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[16:17]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:19] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[16:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[16:21] <Cantide> hey Squirm, charlvn, Kilos :)
[16:21] <Kilos> hi charlvn Cantide Squirm
[16:21] <Cantide> :D
[16:25] <charlvn> hi Cantide
[16:25] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[16:25] <Maaz> charlvn: Okay :-)
[16:25] <charlvn> *slurp slurp* *burp* :)
[16:26] <Kilos> lol pig
[17:52] <Kilos> naand julle
[18:08] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[18:16] <magespawn> evening all
[18:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:35]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:35] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks.