[00:04] <orion> Hi. I updated the grub package on my server recently, and I think that the actual boot loader failed to install. I have two disks set up in a hardware RAID-1 configuration. Is there any way I can test to see if everything is kosher so that I don't have any surprises next time I boot up?
[00:04] <TJ-> orion: yes
[00:04] <orion> TJ-: What do I have to do?
[00:05] <TJ-> orion: Is it mdadm RAID1 ?
[00:06] <orion> TJ-: Yes.
[00:06] <TJ-> orion: Did you install the boot-loader with "grub-install /dev/mdX" *and* are the underlying device whole-disks (e.g. /dev/sda not /dev/sda1) ?
[00:06] <jamesbrown> how do i make  folder(project) and all the folders and sub-folders and files and subfiles. read, write and executeable
[00:07] <orion> TJ-: My root file system is /dev/md2. My disks are /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. I installed (grub-install) to sda and sdb, and that worked fine.
[00:07] <orion> installing to /dev/md2 failed.
[00:08] <TJ-> orion: And lastly, is the mdraid metadata version no higher than 1.0 ?
[00:09] <TJ-> orion: You can't install to an mdraid device that has its metadata at the start of the array, so setting "--metadata=1.0" will ensure it is at the end of the array, and therefore "grub-install /dev/mdX" will succeed
[00:10] <orion> TJ-: How do I check the version?
[00:10] <Aki-Thinkpad> Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: designercomponents-private
[00:11] <Aki-Thinkpad> I am trying to compile qt; how do I resolve this dependency error?
[00:12] <wheatthin> compile qt? OR compile in qt?
[00:12] <wheatthin> Aki-Thinkpad, cause our repo's have qt ide's
[00:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> qtcreator
[00:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> sorry
[00:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, and its because of... I think I need to compile a version by source so i can use the plugin creation wizard
[00:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> its bloody unclear
[00:13] <wheatthin> Aki-Thinkpad, I don't think so..
[00:14] <TJ-> orion: I think it's "--examine"
[00:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, well; I need to provide a qtcreator-src and a qtcreator-build directory in the wizard
[00:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> do you know where I could find it?
[00:14] <orion> TJ-: Partition[0] :<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors at            1 (type ee)
[00:15] <orion> MBR Magic : aa55
[00:15] <orion> This appears for both disks.
[00:15] <wheatthin> Aki-Thinkpad, http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtcreator-extending/first-plugin.html
[00:15] <TJ-> orion: Hmmm, is it "--detail" then? I don't have an md array to hand right now to check
[00:15] <wheatthin> I'm really doubting it has to be compiled from source, you just gotta install the right stuff with it
[00:15] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, yep; that is where I am at. that is what I am trying to figure out
[00:16] <TJ-> orion: You'd expect that if you manually installed grub to those devices
[00:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> jg
[00:16] <wheatthin> Aki-Thinkpad, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7839208/
[00:16] <orion> /dev/md2: Version : 0.90
[00:16] <TJ-> orion: But grub-install may have failed if the mdX array has leading metadata since grub will write to the MD device's sector 0 but that will actually be offset a way into the underlying whole-disk
[00:17] <wheatthin> I'm pretty sure you're covered Aki-Thinkpad
[00:17] <TJ-> orion: That *should* be OK than
[00:17] <orion> TJ-: I should be good with NOT installing to /dev/md2?
[00:18] <TJ-> orion: Is "/boot/" in a separate partition?
[00:18] <orion> TJ-: no.
[00:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, I do not follow.
[00:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, again; I need to provide the wizard a -src and a -build directory.
[00:19] <TJ-> orion: If any of "grub-install" or "update-grub" reported problems then core.img may not be able to find the "/boot/" partition correctly. When you install to the whole-disk underlying devices Grub doesn't know to use the mdraid modules in the core
[00:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, I can't move on until I do that.
[00:19] <wheatthin> Umm.. so specify them.
[00:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, Could you show me how? I do not know where to find these
[00:20] <orion> TJ-: grub-install succeeded for both whole disks, sda and sdb.
[00:21] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, I am using the ubuntu-sdk from the repos
[00:21] <orion> It only failed for md2 (which is the root file system, made up of sda2 and sdb2)
[00:22] <wheatthin> if it's just using the qtcreator and not having to compile it, you then need to consult your documentation for qtcreator. Even though you're using the sdk, this isn't for development .. try #ubuntu-dev
[00:22] <TJ-> orion: I meant for "grub-install /dev/mdX" ... that clues Grub in to the fact it needs to include the mdraid code in core.img, in order to find/read the 'root' device (the file-system containing "/boot/")
[00:22] <orion> I'm guessing it doesn't make sense to install to md2 anyway?
[00:22] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, :/
[00:22] <wheatthin> this is if you're having system failures, or problems which are detrimental to keeping the host alive.
[00:23] <wheatthin> not for personal projects.
[00:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> wheatthin, the documentation shows how to do it on a mac... so \o/
[00:23] <orion> TJ-: grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
[00:24] <TJ-> orion: OK... that suggests grub-install thinks the device you gave it is a file-system, not a partitioned device, is that the case?
[00:24] <TJ-> orion: Did you "mkfs.XXX /dev/md2"?
[00:25] <orion> TJ-: I did not do the installation. The datacenter did it all through their automated system.
[00:25] <wtchn_tv> hi guys my clock on the upper right corner vanished, any help?
[00:25] <orion> df -h reports that /dev/md2 is an ext4 file system, mounted as /
[00:25] <TJ-> orion: Well, just check... if you can directly mount /dev/md2 then it is a file-system, which would explain the confusion the grub is feeling
[00:26] <orion> TJ-: I'm betting it is a file system, considering the fact that it's listed in fstab
[00:26] <wtchn_tv> in 'time&date  under 'clock' tab, everything is gray and unaccesible
[00:26] <TJ-> orion: OK, so that's not a good way for them to do a boot device from Grub's perspective, so yes, you will have to manually do the "grub-install /dev/sda /dev/sdb" type thing when there's a grub update
[00:27] <orion> TJ-: Ok. Is there a way to determine ahead of time if the server will or won't boot while it's still live?
[00:28] <orion> I *really* want it to just boot properly.
[00:29] <ksefchik> Hi! I'm having a problem creating a bootable Ubuntu Live USB for a friend's PC using Unetbootin on a Mac. No matter what I do, the computer boots to the installed Gentoo partition -- this is even after verifying bios settings are set to boot in the correct order (and off the specific device).
[00:30] <ksefchik> Can anyone help me create a USB thumbdrive that will boot this computer to Ubuntu?
[00:30] <rww> ksefchik: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[00:31] <rww> Macs are a bit obnoxious about it, but those steps should work.
[00:31] <TJ-> orion: I'm concerned on this basis: If md2 is composed of whole-disks sda and sdb, and is using meta-data 0.9 that infers that mdadm will have written the metadata to the end of the array. Usually it'll step over the first sector to avoid over-writing any boot-sector, so the MBR on sda/sdb *should* be fine. ...
[00:31] <orion> TJ-: md2 is composed of sda2 and sdb2
[00:32] <TJ-> orion: ... However, there is no partition table on sda/sdb or md2, so I'm not sure where Grub can write the core.img that won't over-write the same sectors as md2 starts at
[00:32] <TJ-> orion: I thought you said it was composed of sda/sdb ?
[00:32] <orion> 20:21:07 < orion> It only failed for md2 (which is the root file system, made up of sda2 and sdb2)
[00:32] <TJ-> orion: So, sda/sdb have partition tables? In which case the core.img will be before partition #1, so that should be OK
[00:33] <orion> TJ-: They do indeed have partiion tables.
[00:33] <ksefchik> These instructions are for booting a Mac off the thumbdrive, which I am not trying to do. I am trying to install to a friend's PC using Mac to create the thumbdrive. Will these instructions still work?
[00:33] <TJ-> orion: So, the only concern left is that Grub's core.img can find the root device, which hopefully it can do by UUID, which means it can find "/boot/" at either sda2 or sdb2 :)
[00:34] <orion> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7839263/
[00:34] <TJ-> orion: Is this an EFI system?
[00:35] <orion> TJ-: No, BIOS.
[00:36] <TJ-> orion: OK, because with that disk being GPT and having a bios_grub partition it looked like it
[00:37] <orion> TJ-: My datacenter is weird. They insist on having the server partitioned/installed through their "manager".
[00:37] <TJ-> orion: You should be OK... you could do a boot test on those disks before  rebooting the host. I often do that as a precaution... start a simple QEMU VM with the whole-disks disks attached and see if it gets to the grub menu :)
[00:38] <bhag> how can i resolve apt-get update breakage Err http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid/main python2.7 armhf 2.7.3-5
[00:38] <bhag>   404  Not Found
[00:38] <bhag> Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_armhf.deb  404  Not Found
[00:38] <BrandonC> fresh install  ubuntu, restart, Disk boot failure
[00:38] <BrandonC> ...
[00:38] <orion> TJ-: That's one way to test. Is there a way to force QEMU to have read-only access to the block devices, so as not to bork the system?
[00:38] <TJ-> bhag: That's a #debian question by the look of it
[00:38] <stan_man_can> Why is ubuntu’s version of Redis so old? it installs 2.2 and they’re on 2.8
[00:38] <pikapp> how do I set the default window manager to dwm? I have tried setting .xinitrc but it is ignored it seems
[00:39] <orion> TJ-: Ok, thank you for all your help!
[00:42] <TJ-> orion: Not sure about "-drive readonly" for QEMU boot drives, but I kill the guest as soon as the kernel messages start :)
[00:43] <_2_mylove1831> hi
[00:44] <orion> TJ-: Hopefully my connection won't drop the moment I spin up the VM. ;)
[00:45] <TJ-> orion: if you want to wait a few I can find a way to do readonly here
[00:45] <orion> Nah, that's OK.
[00:45] <orion> I appreciate your time.
[00:45] <orion> Take care.
[00:46] <TJ-> orion: "sudo qemu-system-x86_64 -m 512 -drive id=test,file=/dev/sda,if=none,media=disk,index=0,readonly -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=test"
[00:46] <TJ-> Ahhh... act in haste, repent at leisure :)
[00:51] <cloudrf> oh my god
[00:52] <cloudrf>  my offtopicness is broken please send a letter to congress!
[00:56] <PCLine_> Good evening everyone.
[00:59] <cloudrf> good evening
[01:06] <zizo> hello
[01:07] <zizo> anyone here
[01:08] <compdoc> who wants to know?
[01:08] <cloudrf> me
[01:14] <driftkid> hi
[01:14] <driftkid> i just started whit blackbuntu
[01:15] <driftkid> just to watch what it is
[01:16] <Jeffrey_f> what is it with people popping in saying weird stuff and leaving   SMH
[01:16] <compdoc> is it really black?
[01:17] <TJ-> Trying to avoid bans for spam advertising
[01:19] <zizo> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[01:20] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys quick question i have a problem i deleted ~/.bash_history, and now i readded the file but no changes are made to the file
[01:20] <Psil0Cybin> and it does not save anything after a restart
[01:20] <Psil0Cybin> like it used too
[01:21] <Psil0Cybin> is it not chmod properly
[01:21] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: permissions are 0600 u+rw?
[01:21] <zizo> a dont know any thigs about this system iam neeeeeeeeeeew
[01:22] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-,would i just chmod it to 0600
[01:22] <Psil0Cybin> ?
[01:22] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: what is it now?
[01:22] <ksefchik> Can anyone help me install ubuntu on a drive with windows 7 on it?
[01:23] <Psil0Cybin> -rw-rw-r--
[01:23] <Psil0Cybin> it says i forgot how to check the chmod of a file
[01:24] <Psil0Cybin> i need -rw-r--r-- rightT J?
[01:24] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-,
[01:24] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: "chmod 0600 ~/.bash_history"
[01:24] <zizo> ksefchik: its very easy
[01:24] <Beldar> ksefchik, State the issue for help.
[01:25] <pr0metheu5> Hi guys. I've been having this problem in Xubuntu 14, where the screen will suddenly just crash. And to fix it, I have to CTRL+ALT+F1 and run either "sudo pkill x" or "sudo restart lightdm," which restarts everything. Is this a known bug?
[01:25] <Psil0Cybin> pr0metheu5, loll used to be my old nickname in CS 1.6 and 1.5!
[01:25] <pr0metheu5> By crash, I mean everything just freezes.
[01:25] <Psil0Cybin> LOL
[01:26] <pr0metheu5> Psil0Cybin, that's cool. =]
[01:26] <Psil0Cybin> small world.
[01:26] <pr0metheu5> Haha, yeah.
[01:26] <ksefchik> Beldar: Last time I tried it on this PC, I was getting a GRUB error: unknown filesystem. So I erased the Ubuntu partitions and am about to try again
[01:26] <cloudrf> yeah
[01:26] <pr0metheu5> cs_assault ftw
[01:26] <cloudrf> actually have seen crashes like that
[01:26] <Psil0Cybin> pr0metheu5, join ubuntu-offtopic :D when u have a chance later.. im always there
[01:26] <pr0metheu5> Psil0Cybin, cool, will do if I get the chance
[01:27] <Psil0Cybin> but its all about the nipper maps pr0metheu5 .
[01:27] <Beldar> ksefchik, Are you on the live dvd/usb now?
[01:27] <pr0metheu5> cloudrf, yeah? Any clue as to what causes it? I think it might have to do with my nvidia optimus card.
[01:27] <ksefchik> I am
[01:27] <cloudrf> i used to use a gts450
[01:27] <codygman> 13.10 no longer gets updates right?
[01:27] <cloudrf> same crap
[01:27] <Beldar> ksefchik, Can you run sudo parted -l in the ubuntu terminal and pastebin it?
[01:28] <cloudrf> check your heats promethius
[01:29] <cloudrf> sometimes ubuntu doesnt jive with current nvidia drivers
[01:29] <PCLine_> I am trying to install in Win7 VirtualPC.
[01:29] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, it did not work, the bash_history file
[01:29] <pr0metheu5> cloudrf, I'm using bumblebee but I guess that doesn't really mean anything
[01:29] <Psil0Cybin> is not saving anything
[01:29] <ksefchik> Beldar: I'm not sure how to get this to you. The computer in question cannot access my current (school) wireless network due to auth issues.
[01:29] <cloudrf> nooo dont do that!
[01:30] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, the second I restart the computer, it removes everything and it is empty
[01:30] <Beldar> codygman, It is eol, not sure when 13.10 is removed from the main repos.
[01:30] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I have no idea what you've done then
[01:30] <Psil0Cybin> all i did was rm -r .bash_history TJ- ... before
[01:30] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Are you sure you haven't disabled bash history?
[01:30] <cloudrf> are there any ops here?
[01:31] <Beldar> ksefchik, If you feel you need help than come back when we can access the computer easily.
[01:31] <Psil0Cybin> thenthen
[01:31] <Psil0Cybin> i did nano ~/.bash_history
[01:31] <Psil0Cybin> and saved a empty line
[01:31] <daftykins> codygman: it's gone EOL, yes
[01:31] <Beldar> cloudrf, #ubuntu-ops
[01:31] <cloudrf> nice
[01:32] <ksefchik> Beldar: Is there any way you could work with me for a moment? I'm not a newbie, I just need help interpreting what I'm seeing
[01:32] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, removed the file using rm ~/.bash_history then added it using nano
[01:32] <Beldar> ksefchik, Not without the command run I suggested is all.
[01:33] <Beldar> ksefchik, Others may help, be exact with the issue is all.
[01:33] <Psil0Cybin> Hey guys can someone help me I accidentally removed .bash_history and when I readded it back manually using nano it would not save anything, when I restart
[01:33] <ksefchik> Beldar: parted -l came back with 5 file systems: primary,fat32/hidden,lba, primary,ntfs/boot, extended, logical/swap(v1) and logical/ext4
[01:34] <Beldar> ksefchik, Looks like a uefi, this make sense?
[01:34] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: What does "echo $HISTFILE $HISTSIZE $HISTCONTROL" report ?
[01:34] <ksefchik> Beldar: It also warns that my thumbdrive has GPT signatures but does not have a valid fake msdos partition table
[01:34] <ksefchik> Beldar: Yes, this is a UEFI system
[01:34] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, /home/bill/.bash_history 1000 ignoreboth
[01:35] <Beldar> ksefchik, I'm not really up on uefi/efi installs, however have you seen he wiki?
[01:35] <Beldar> the*
[01:36] <cloudrf> shitpickle
[01:36] <phao> How do I configure my default web browser?
[01:36] <ksefchik> Beldar: Can you direct me to the appropriate page? The
[01:36] <cloudrf> go to settings
[01:36] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: how about "echo $HISTIGNORE" ?
[01:37] <cloudrf> prefered applications
[01:37] <Beldar> !uefi | ksefchik
[01:37] <phao> clopez, thanks
[01:37] <phao> cloudrf, thanks
[01:37] <codygman> thanks Beldar and daftykins
[01:37] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, that
[01:37] <Psil0Cybin> shows nothing
[01:37] <Psil0Cybin> just a empty line
[01:37] <phao> cloudrf, =D
[01:37] <phao> cloudrf, perfect
[01:37] <cloudrf> no problem phao
[01:38] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: OK, so the obvious control knobs look OK
[01:38] <Psil0Cybin> yes that is correct TJ-
[01:39] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: You say you completely logged out and back in?
[01:39] <cloudrf> darn
[01:39] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, restarted twice
[01:39] <Psil0Cybin> I can try again
[01:39] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: how many commands have you executed at a bash shell to test it?
[01:39] <Psil0Cybin> bash history is still empty
[01:39] <Psil0Cybin> 4 - 5
[01:39] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Check that bash is the shell! "echo $SHELL"
[01:40] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, /bin/bash
[01:40] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: It's a mystery :)
[01:40] <Psil0Cybin> wow
[01:40] <Psil0Cybin> maybe its not Chmod properly?
[01:40] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: how about "echo $HISTSIZE" ?
[01:40] <Psil0Cybin> i am so confused!
[01:40] <Onixs> returns 0 if null
[01:40] <Psil0Cybin> 1000
[01:40] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-,
[01:40] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: good
[01:41] <Psil0Cybin> well not really
[01:41] <Psil0Cybin> nothing is being saved
[01:41] <Psil0Cybin> lol
[01:41] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: how about "echo $HISTFILESIZE" ?
[01:41] <Psil0Cybin> 2000
[01:41] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-,
[01:41] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: good :p
[01:41] <Psil0Cybin> someone said to do this
[01:41] <Psil0Cybin> Psil0Cybin: In .bashrc put:
 export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history
[01:42] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: "shopt  histappend"
[01:43] <Psil0Cybin> what
[01:43] <notori0us> .enter
[01:43] <notori0us> !enter
[01:44] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, I am so confused
[01:44] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: indeed :)
[01:44] <Psil0Cybin> k honmeslty i guess deleting a simple file ruined my whole history saving?
[01:44] <Psil0Cybin> hahahah
[01:44] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: so what does this show? "shopt  histappend"
[01:45] <Psil0Cybin> on
[01:45] <Psil0Cybin> it says on
[01:45] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: good
[01:46] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: did you simply delete the file and re-login to allow bash to recreate its history file?
[01:46] <Psil0Cybin> yes
[01:46] <Psil0Cybin> well
[01:46] <Psil0Cybin> i did delete it
[01:46] <Psil0Cybin> but i created it my self
[01:46] <Psil0Cybin> when I just removed it, it said it was missing!
[01:47] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: also, if you followed this advice " export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history" have you checked you didn't mistype, and the history is being written to a file with a slightly different name?
[01:47] <Psil0Cybin> so i should
[01:47] <Psil0Cybin> add that line TJ?
[01:47] <daftykins> Psil0Cybin: please try to press enter less, there is no time limit for responses :)
[01:47] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: No, since bash uses that name as its default... that is simply to change the default
[01:47] <Psil0Cybin> What TJ- i am confused
[01:47] <Psil0Cybin> i am being told to add that line
[01:47] <Psil0Cybin> to the file....as nothing else is working
[01:48] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: you already confirmed it is set to " /home/bill/.bash_history"
[01:48] <Psil0Cybin> but
[01:48] <Psil0Cybin> nothing is saving
[01:48] <Psil0Cybin> so that is bad
[01:48] <Psil0Cybin> so what would i do?
[01:50] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Let's debug it then... "strace -f -e trace=file -o /tmp/bash.log bash -i"
[01:50] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, within .bashrc
[01:50] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: then type some command ... say "df"
[01:50] <Psil0Cybin> i am missing the line " export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history"
[01:50] <Psil0Cybin> should I not just add it?
[01:51] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: then type "exit" and then "grep hist /tmp/bash.log"
[01:51] <eeee> i just tested this, if you remove it, upon logging back in, it's recreated and with the commands you used to delete it :)
[01:51] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: No, as I told you, you have already confirmed HISTFILE is set (to its default)
[01:51] <Psil0Cybin> eeee, what do u mean?!
[01:51] <eeee> tested it on an another user i made :D
[01:51] <Psil0Cybin> eeee, explain!
[01:51] <Psil0Cybin> so delete the file?!
[01:51] <TJ-> eeee: precisely... bash recreates a missing history file
[01:52] <Psil0Cybin> so just remove it?!
[01:52] <Psil0Cybin> is what ur saying guys lol
[01:52] <Psil0Cybin> and restart?
[01:52] <eeee> yeah just delete it, then log out and log in
[01:52] <eeee> no just log out and log in
[01:52] <Psil0Cybin> okay lets try it
[01:52] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I asked if you'd done that earlier and you said you had
[01:52] <Psil0Cybin> so rm ~/.bash_history
[01:52] <pr0metheu5> Hi guys. I've been having this problem in Xubuntu 14, where the screen will suddenly just crash. And to fix it, I have to CTRL+ALT+F1 and run either "sudo pkill x" or "sudo restart lightdm," which restarts everything. Is this a known bug?
[01:52] <Psil0Cybin> i have, but i will try it again because maybe i was frazzled and createed it before i restarted.
[01:52] <cloudrf> holy crap
[01:52] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: don't reboot! just log-out the user, and log-in again
[01:54] <Psil0Cybin> okay TJ- we are back to step one, logged out, logged back in....now I get (.bash_history: No such file or directory
[01:54] <Psil0Cybin> )
[01:54] <Psil0Cybin> eeee,
[01:54] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: OK, now do the test I asked you to do
[01:54] <Guest58372> are you sure the xubuntu 14.04 is using lightdm?
[01:55] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Let's debug it then... "strace -f -e trace=file -o /tmp/bash.log bash -i"
[01:55] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: then type some command ... say "df"
[01:55] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: then type "exit" and then "grep hist /tmp/bash.log"
[01:55] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: and pastebin the result if there's more than 1 line
[01:55] <cloudrf> ubuntu by default uses lightdm ya
[01:55] <cloudrf> mint uses mdm
[01:56] <cloudrf> kubuntu on the other hand is kdm
[01:56] <cloudrf> manjaro is mdm
[01:57] <wannabe1987> was wondering if anyone could help me figure out why  my file window is in grayscale when yesterday it was normal colored/
[01:57] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, okay http://paste.ubuntu.com/7839544/
[01:58] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: now "stat ~/.bash_history | pastebinit"
[01:58] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: that exercise created a history file: "2994  open("/home/bill/.bash_history", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0600) = 3"
[01:59] <eeee> TJ- why's it say Bill in his prompt but /home/bill in the directory ? is that ok?
[01:59] <TJ-> eeee: hostname and "friendly" username from /etc/passwd
[02:00] <mnathani> what is the preferred method of getting services to start on boot?
[02:00] <TJ-> mnathani: upstart configuration or sysV init script and update-rc.d
[02:00] <mnathani> coming from a RHEL / Centos world, I have always used chkconfig <service> on/off etc
[02:01] <mnathani> TJ-: thanks
[02:01] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, computer froze
[02:01] <Psil0Cybin> had to reset, did you get the paste bin?
[02:01] <Psil0Cybin> okay it semed to have saved after the restart
[02:01] <Psil0Cybin> let me try and double check
[02:02] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, it saved df, and exit
[02:02] <Psil0Cybin> so it worked correct?
[02:02] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: Yes
[02:02] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Yes
[02:02] <Psil0Cybin> Thank you, so much......sigh madness
[02:03] <Guest58372> TJ-: do you know how to change the themes about login screen in xubuntu 14.04?
[02:03] <TJ-> Guest58372: I don't do themes
[02:03] <cloudrf> guest ill help ya
[02:03] <Guest58372> TJ-:thanks
[02:04] <cloudrf>  /usr/share/themes usually
[02:04] <cloudrf> i usually paste mine in there and select them in settings
[02:05] <wannabe1987> https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/1912490_10100100796814324_8632773416909154132_n.jpg is what my file folder window looked like when i woke up - when i went to bed tho, they were normal (orange, not greyscale).  i don't think i did anything in my sleep. but i've no idea; had a movie fullscreened when i went to sleep, and itw as still up when i woek up
[02:05] <Guest58372> cloudrf:that just change the window themes or icon themes
[02:06] <ice9> I'm looking for good scrum application
[02:06] <Guest58372> cloudrf: I wanna change the login screen themes
[02:06] <TJ-> Guest58372: the keyword you're looking for is "Greeter" theme
[02:07] <cloudrf> ohh okay
[02:07] <ksefchik> The laptop I have ubuntu installed on doesn't recognize my page up and page down keys. What can I do to fix this?
[02:07] <eeee> wannabe1987: um, did you try to close it and open a new window ? it looks like a crashed app
[02:07] <cloudrf> what display manager od you use?
[02:07] <wannabe1987> whichever is stock?  unity?
[02:07] <wannabe1987> yay eeee
[02:07] <wannabe1987> thanks
[02:08] <wannabe1987> its back to being colorful
[02:08] <eeee> :)
[02:08] <cloudrf>  /usr/share/lightdm
[02:08] <wannabe1987> thanks peeps.  always helpful
[02:09] <Guest58372> cloudrf: I am not sure, maybe the system is using lightgdm or gdm?
[02:09] <Guest58372> cloudrf:I am using xubuntu 14.04
[02:09] <cloudrf> oh hold on
[02:10] <Guest58372> I try to use the command (pkg-config --list-all | grep *gdm*) to find out what is using now, but noting found.
[02:11] <lucas__> hello
[02:12] <cloudrf> guest its lightdm still
[02:12] <daftykins> hi
[02:12] <Bashing-om> Guest58372: How about -> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION <- to find out the DE  ?
[02:12] <cloudrf> so its /usr/share/lightdm
[02:13] <cloudrf> then change it in startup
[02:13] <cloudrf> on settings
[02:13] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, the more commands I type it only saves df, and exit on a restart when I reboot and try and test look at the history.....does this mean I am not typing enough commands.....or....
[02:13] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, I tried updating and upgrading the system, did both...so i thought those commands would also save as a test..
[02:14] <Psil0Cybin> i also ran the command top, but after a restart all those comamnds are gone and it only shows df and exit, lol from the previous time you told me to execute those commands
[02:14] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: It sounds to me as if you're executing some script that is turning off history, or else executing a different shell in some way
[02:15] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: "ls -l /bin/bash" ?
[02:15] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, all I am doing is restarting my computer, on a default Xubuntu 12.04 system.
[02:15] <Psil0Cybin> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 959120 Mar 28  2013 /bin/bash
[02:17] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: That's good, it's not been sym-linked by something else
[02:17] <Psil0Cybin> hmm, what a silly delema i got my self into...
[02:18] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: how about this? "shopt | sort | grep hist"
[02:18] <Psil0Cybin> i will one line this, cmdhist ON, histappend, ON, histreedit, OFF, histverify OFF, lithist OFF.
[02:19] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: good
[02:19] <nishanth> anyone know how to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 using ISO on a dual boot machine
[02:19] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: how about "find ~ -maxdepth 1 -name '*bash*'  " ?
[02:20] <Deepspeed> nishanth, backup the drives, format the partition you want to install 14.04 on with a live disc like macpup or sysrescuecd, then boot the new iso and install.
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> it found .bash_logout, .bash_history, .bashrc
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> in my home folder.
[02:21] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Good. Can you "pastebinit ~/.bashrc"
[02:21] <nishanth> Deepspeed well basically my question is if i upgrade from ISO will delete all the other partitions?
[02:21] <nishanth> will it
[02:21] <tlanix> hello
[02:22] <Deepspeed> no.  If you use the livecd and the installer provided, it will only format the partitions you tell it to.  Just make sure you handle the partition/install setup right in the installer
[02:22] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: and also lets check in case other shells are running: "ps -efly | grep sh$ | pastebinit"
[02:23] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7839635/
[02:23] <TJ-> nishanth: that's not really an 'upgrade', that's really a new side-by-side multi-boot install. Do you want to upgrade the existing installation, replace it, or have 14.04 alongside it?
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, S 1000      1857  1808  0  80   0  2740 15982 poll_s 22:12 ?        00:00:00 xscreensaver -no-splash
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> S 1000      2012  2009  0  80   0  4472  6861 wait   22:12 pts/0    00:00:00 /bin/bash
[02:24] <nishanth> TJ- just upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 using ISO without ruining windows partition
[02:25] <TJ-> nishanth: the recommend in-place upgrade is https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, if i scroll up now lol, i can see  a lot of history, but sadly i think if i restart it will be gone
[02:26] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: "echo $$" ?
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> or do you think its being selective on what it is saving? I am just confused why it saved your df and exit l,mao comannd but nothing else
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> 2012
[02:26] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: trying to figure that out :)
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> okay ty
[02:27] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: OK, that is the same process ID as the one 'ps' reported, so you are using a bash shell right now
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> your being a big help.
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> so that is a good sign correct?
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> i think everything that is more advanced should be fine, like all i did was delete that silly .bash_history file manually, which I will never do again lmao!
[02:28] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: is that Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty?
[02:28] <Psil0Cybin> no should be 12.04.4 LTS
[02:28] <Psil0Cybin> Xubuntu
[02:29] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Ahhh, OK... I was going to compare MD5 hashes of the "/etc/bash.bashrc" to ensure your system config hadn't been changed, but I can't immediately
[02:31] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: compare this: "md5sum /etc/bash.bashrc" should give 286dc423e71186936c39e3507d2d0cf1
[02:32] <CaptainJewBacon> Hey guys, having some trouble at the moment on my asus g75vx with the brightness fn keys not working and secondly how can I get my keyboard backlight to be on once booted into ubuntu 14.04LTS
[02:32] <eeee> Psil0Cybin: can you try this for me? ls -l /home/bill/.bash_history and check if the user is root
[02:33] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, sum is the same
[02:33] <Psil0Cybin> eeee, bash history is under my user
[02:33] <Psil0Cybin> not root.
[02:33] <Psil0Cybin> so Bill Bill
[02:34] <eeee> ok
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> if i type
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> less .bash_history, lol all it has inside is df, exit
[02:35] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: OK, so the system bash config hasn't been changed in any way
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> wowowowow.........
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> after all these commands
[02:35] <eeee> Psil0Cybin: if you type history what do you get?
[02:36] <Psil0Cybin> history shows all the commands i just did, which is what i would like :D
[02:36] <Psil0Cybin> to have saved on a restart.
[02:37] <eeee> if you history > .bash_history
[02:37] <TJ-> eeee: we did an strace earlier from "strace -f -e trace=file -o /tmp/bash.log bash -i" then executed "df" && "exit" and got http://paste.ubuntu.com/7839544/ which shows the file being created by that shell, but the 'master' login shell isn't keeping history it seems
[02:38] <eeee> just write something that does history > .bash_history every time you log out
[02:38] <TJ-> eeee: we also checked all the bash internal HIST* variables, and the shopts
[02:38] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: is this an encrypted home directory/
[02:38] <Psil0Cybin> yes
[02:39] <Psil0Cybin> oh damn so when i delete my .bash_history
[02:39] <Psil0Cybin> i really fudged something up?
[02:39] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Does your user password also decrypted the ecryptfs?
[02:39] <Psil0Cybin> uuuuuuh, i would assume so using 12.04 LTS
[02:39] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: By that I mean, do you have to type a separate password to decrypt after logging in as your user?
[02:39] <Psil0Cybin> nope
[02:40] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: check if it is with "ls -l ~/.cryptfs" if you get "not found" it isn't encrypted
[02:40] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: typo!! check if it is with "ls -l ~/.ecryptfs" if you get "not found" it isn't encrypted
[02:41] <Psil0Cybin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 Bill Bill 36 Feb  9 00:41 /home/Bill/.ecryptfs -> /home/.ecryptfs/Bill/.ecryptfs
[02:42] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: OK, so it is encrypted... but as the master key is being unwrapped using your user password that is OK
[02:44] <Psil0Cybin> hmm
[02:44] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: the history file is generally written to when the shell exits
[02:44] <Psil0Cybin> k wow
[02:45] <Psil0Cybin> i just typed exit in terminal
[02:45] <Psil0Cybin> and it seems to like that command to save the file
[02:45] <Psil0Cybin> now when i open .bash_history i see added commands
[02:45] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I'm wondering if anything could be delaying that, such that it is getting written into the /home/$USER/ *after* the encrypted file-system has been unmounted
[02:45] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, let me try logging in and out
[02:45] <Psil0Cybin> one second
[02:49] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, so i need to type exit every time in terminal
[02:49] <Psil0Cybin> to save the session
[02:49] <Psil0Cybin> without it, it does not save....
[02:49] <Psil0Cybin> now
[02:49] <TJ-> OK, so you're in xubuntu?
[02:49] <Psil0Cybin> yes
[02:49] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: which GUI terminal emulator are you using to do this? It could be something in its settings
[02:50] <Psil0Cybin> I am using Guake
[02:50] <Psil0Cybin> like the terminal drop down one
[02:50] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I'll try it hear
[02:50] <TJ-> s/hear/here/
[02:53] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: no problems here with guake writing into my existing .bash_history
[02:53] <Psil0Cybin> i know :(
[02:53] <Psil0Cybin> it was because i dleeted that silly .bash_history file
[02:53] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Hang on, how do you start it?
[02:53] <Psil0Cybin> its just binded to a hot key
[02:54] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I mean, how does it get started when you log-in... an entry in the autostart list?
[02:54] <Psil0Cybin> autostart list
[02:54] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I know you press F12 to call it
[02:54] <arvut> moooo
[02:54] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I'm wondering if log-out doesn't correctly close the process for some reason
[02:54]  * arvut larry the cow ate me
[02:55] <jorge> facebook
[02:56] <Bashing-om> arvut: Do -> apt-get moo <- .
[02:58] <eeee> sorry arvut, being swallowed by cows are EOL here
[02:58] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, i give up
[02:58] <Psil0Cybin> it only saves on the command exit, without exit
[02:58] <Psil0Cybin> no saving
[02:59] <Psil0Cybin> no matter how i shutdown or anything....sigh
[02:59] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: have you tried using the default Xubuntu terminal application?
[02:59] <Psil0Cybin> i guess ill have too just because i deleted a silly file
[02:59] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: try to isolate whether this is autostarted guake specific, or more general
[02:59] <Psil0Cybin> lmao
[02:59] <Psil0Cybin> never thought this would happen
[02:59] <Psil0Cybin> honestly if i knew deleting
[02:59] <Psil0Cybin> .bash_history
[02:59] <Psil0Cybin> would cause this
[02:59] <Psil0Cybin> lmao, someone should write a long post
[03:00] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: It shouldn't cause that, I can't see how it can... when you deleted that file, around the same time or before, what *else* were you doing? (re)configuring anything?
[03:00] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: you may be associating the wrong cause with the effect
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> nothing! just deleted that file, and unmounted an encrypted drive, using fusermount (that is mounted using encfs)
[03:01] <Psil0Cybin> like littereny nothing
[03:01] <Psil0Cybin> this is soooo bizzare,...
[03:01] <eeee> Psil0Cybin: try this:
[03:01] <eeee> shopt -s histappend
[03:01] <eeee> PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a;$PROMPT_COMMAND"
[03:01] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Well, try bash from the regular xubuntu terminal, close the terminal, and then re-open the terminal and see if the bash commands you ran have been saved
[03:02] <TJ-> eeee: we checked shopt, it's on
[03:02] <eeee> what about the command below it?
[03:02] <Psil0Cybin> that worked
[03:02] <Psil0Cybin> i think that just added to my .bash_history
[03:02] <Psil0Cybin> one second
[03:02] <Psil0Cybin> wierd as heck!
[03:03] <TJ-> "history -a" will, that is "append now"
[03:03] <eeee> Psil0Cybin: the command i gave you will update in real time
[03:03] <eeee> yeah it's a workaround i found on a site
[03:03]  * gogh is back (gone 00:12:09)
[03:03] <eeee> http://askubuntu.com/questions/31063/bash-command-history-not-working
[03:03] <eeee> it's specific to guake it seems
[03:03] <Psil0Cybin> LOL lemme read the post
[03:03] <TJ-> eeee: the issue seems to be that bash isn't saving to the history file on exit - at least not when started by guake... I'm waiting to hear if the same occurs with the default Xubuntu terminal
[03:04] <Psil0Cybin> boy oh boy
[03:04] <somsip> !away | gogh
[03:04] <Psil0Cybin> yea TJ let me check
[03:05] <gogh> done
[03:05] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, not in real time, but when i close the terminal
[03:05] <Psil0Cybin> it saves
[03:05] <Psil0Cybin> let me try logging out guys
[03:06] <daftykins> wish that guy would press enter less.
[03:06] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: That is correct behaviour. Bash saves history on exit.
[03:09] <eeee> the question is why would guake stop saving after closing the terminal, when the file was deleted?
[03:09] <eeee> right ?
[03:09] <Lost_x> hi guys
[03:09] <Lost_x> good day
[03:10] <eeee> maybe it's config or something is messed up now ?
[03:10] <Lost_x> i have this problem, i have successfully installed windows7 and ubunto14.04lts. windows first then ubuntu
[03:10] <TJ-> eeee: I believe the user did something else around the same time but didn't realise until later the history file wasn't being written, and associates it with the "rm"
[03:11] <Lost_x> but booting to windows7 using the linux grub got me this error http://ibin.co/1UGMxPxJ7OIM
[03:11] <Lost_x> new ubuntu user here
[03:12] <TJ-> eeee: I'm looking at the guake source - it keeps its own scrollback buffers using a history_size setting,  but no indication that interacts with the shell (which could be anything) history. My thought is it doesn't cleanly terminate bash when it gets a SIGEXIT
[03:12] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-, eeee thanks i am too tired to deal with it anymore i will assume it is fixed for tonight, but if i ever want to clear my .bash_history file what is the correct way of doing so so this never happens again!!
[03:12] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Default terminal saving history on exit: That is correct behaviour. Bash saves history on exit.
[03:13] <Xheartt> welcome Lost
[03:14] <eeee> i'm going to test this here
[03:14] <Bashing-om> Lost_x: UEFI ???
[03:14] <ubuntuser13> Lost_x: try sudo apt-get update grub in ubuntu.
[03:15] <ObrienDave> that is a Windows boot error, not a grub error
[03:15] <eeee> lol, i can't get guake to install, when it runs it says did you install guake.schemas properly?
[03:16] <eeee> hmm, it just worked
[03:16] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Aha!!! I've been reading the guake source
[03:16] <TJ-> eeee: "guake-prefs" first
[03:17] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: eeee I found in "src/guake" this for when it calls delete_shell(): """"This function will kill the shell on a tab, trying to send      a sigterm and if it doesn't work, a sigkill. Between these two
[03:17] <TJ->         signals, we have a timeout of 3 seconds..." SIGKILL will uncleanly kill the bash process if it doesn't end within 3 seconds... that would explain this issue
[03:17] <eeee> i deleted .bash_history, exit and started a new guake term, the history works
[03:18] <Psil0Cybin> okay thanks
[03:18] <Psil0Cybin> :D
[03:18] <Psil0Cybin> guys
[03:18] <TJ-> eeee: put the bash shell into a freeze by suspending it, and then try... I bet the history isn't updated since guake with SIGKILL it
[03:18] <dhxc> hello
[03:20] <TJ-> eeee: Try this: "sudo sed -i 's/num_tries = 30/num_tries = 1/' /usr/bin/guake"
[03:20] <eeee> ok, how do i suspend the shell ?
[03:21] <pr0metheu5> Hi guys. I've been having this problem in Xubuntu 14, where the screen will suddenly just crash. And to fix it, I have to CTRL+ALT+F1 and run either "sudo pkill x" or "sudo restart lightdm," which restarts everything. Is this a known bug?
[03:22] <dhxc> <pr0metheu5 you system are updated?
[03:22] <dhxc> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:23] <TJ-> eeee: I  started guake from another terminal, then did "while : ; do ((a++)); echo $a; done" and then hit Ctrl+C in the controlling terminal... and bash_history wasn't updated
[03:23] <eeee> TJ-: i ran the sed command
[03:24] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, is this a brand new install of Win7?
[03:25] <eeee> whats with guake having no global menu? it's driving me nuts i can't access anything below it like firefox etc.
[03:25] <TJ-> eeee: I can reproduce the issue now, even with "num_tries = 30", with bash running that while loop and then choosing Quit from the guaje context menu in the system tray
[03:26] <arvut> Bashing-om: do emerge moo
[03:26] <Jeffrey_f> pr0metheu5: update your system first, then see if your issue is still an issue   sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade&&sudo apt-get -y autoremove
[03:27] <TJ-> eeee: Interesting! If I add into that while loop, a sleep as in "...sleep 1; done" then choose Exit from the guake context menu, I get a dialog telling me 1 process is still running and do I want to stop it. I say yes, and then history is updated
[03:28] <lickalott> hey guys, just installed 14.04 to make a media server (to sell). Is there a way to get Plex without having an account?  I don't want to sell a computer with my email address embedded in it, know whadda mean.
[03:29] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, yes sir.
[03:29] <daftykins> lickalott: we don't support third party software
[03:29] <lickalott> copy
[03:29] <daftykins> lickalott: i bet they have a channel
[03:29] <lickalott> thanks
[03:30] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, do you have anything on either you can not lose? (brand new on both)?
[03:30] <lickalott> i haven't actually tried to install and just log out afterwards.  I'll try that.   I was just stopping by to see if anyone knew off the top of thier nuggets
[03:30] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, its a clean install nothing to lose
[03:31] <TJ-> eeee: I suspect for one reason or another, on Psil's PC, that 3-second loop either isn't running for the full 3 seconds, or the PC is thrashing about closing down other things (maybe using swap-file) and so guake just sends bash SIGKILL
[03:31] <eeee> TJ-: so guake is able to sigterm it with a sleep ?
[03:31] <Jeffrey_f> lickalott: /join #plex
[03:32] <lickalott> k. tks
[03:32] <TJ-> eeee: When bash sleeps it can respond to the SIGTERM
[03:32] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, do you have the old drive to clone?
[03:32] <genoobie> hey all
[03:32] <Lost_x> nope
[03:32] <genoobie> just installed lubuntu
[03:32] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, ok, i suggest re-installing Win7 first. make sure it runs 100% correctly before installing Ubuntu.
[03:32] <genoobie> came up with a b43 ucode5.fw was missing
[03:33] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, start with a fresh formatted drive
[03:33] <Lost_x> question on partitioning crive
[03:33] <Lost_x> i mean drive
[03:34] <Lost_x> i have this 500gb hdd
[03:36] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, let Win7 take over the drive completely. Ubuntu install can take care of the partitions later
[03:36] <Lost_x> i partitioned it using windows7 os installer into part1 for windows7 OS, part2 (for ubunto "/"), part3 (for "swap"), and the remaining part for shared windows and ubunto files storage
[03:39]  * [gnubie] waves
[03:39] <Beldar> Lost_x, The windows installer adds a boot partition unless you have a ntfs there already, using a manual install. If you do  a manual without a partition it make a boot partition still.
[03:39] <Beldar> makes*
[03:40] <[gnubie]> i’m running ubuntu trusty amd64. i don’t have an idea why it keeps on rebooting at least once a day. i don’t see any relevant logs in /var/log/syslog
[03:40] <Lost_x> I'll be back, i need my lunch so i can install the OSes correctly ;)
[03:40] <ObrienDave> ok
[03:40] <[gnubie]> any other way i can find the root cause of this reboot?
[03:41] <[gnubie]> i checked the unattended-upgrades but as per its configs, it’s not the cause of the reboot
[03:42] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: does it go down at the same time or randomly
[03:42] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: random
[03:43] <[gnubie]> yesterday at 12:05 and today at 08:05
[03:43] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: terminal type    last reboot
[03:44] <Jeffrey_f> put it to pastebin
[03:44] <[gnubie]> # last reboot
[03:44] <[gnubie]> reboot   system boot  3.13.0-32-generi Wed Jul 23 08:05 - 11:43  (03:38)
[03:44] <[gnubie]> reboot   system boot  3.13.0-32-generi Tue Jul 22 12:05 - 11:43  (23:38)
[03:44] <[gnubie]> oh. sorry. i pasted already..
[03:46] <eeee> how come they both have 11:43 ?
[03:46] <eeee> Jeffrey_f: ?
[03:46] <genoobie> ugh
[03:46] <genoobie> sorry three kids is a bit of a trial
[03:47] <genoobie> at any rate, I installed lubuntu and I have the broadcom wireless
[03:47] <genoobie> I think the driver is installed but not the firmware
[03:47] <genoobie> but I cannot be sure
[03:47] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: any idea?
[03:48] <genoobie> wlan0 is not in the list
[03:48] <genoobie> not sure exactly how to proceed
[03:48] <ObrienDave> !broadcom | genoobie
[03:48] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: do you have pastebinit installed
[03:48] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: nope.
[03:49] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[03:49] <Jeffrey_f> once that is installed do     cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades | pastebinit       then post the url it gives you
[03:50] <genoobie> okay, how do I know if the driver is installed but not firmware
[03:50] <genoobie> or if I need to do both steps
[03:51] <genoobie> There's also a choice between b43 and wl
[03:51] <genoobie> any difference?
[03:53] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: http://pastie.org/9413876
[03:55] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]:  ok.....not much there and no automatic reboot.
[03:55] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]:  last reboot|pastebinit
[03:56] <Ligneus> Hello I was trying to use Ubuntu 14.04 on a tablet/pc and when I am in tablet mode I can't get the on screen keyboard to recognize my finger and I was wondering if anyone has had similar problems or if I have a setting wrong.  I have tried google but havn't had much luck on there.  Thanks.
[03:57] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: http://pastie.org/9413880
[03:58] <eeee> does that last reboot suggest two running sessions?
[03:58] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: something strange......why at 12:05 and 8:05??
[03:58] <Jeffrey_f> why at 5 mins past the hour
[03:59] <eeee> cron maybe?
[03:59] <[gnubie]> no idea..
[03:59] <Jeffrey_f> eeee: how to list cron??
[03:59] <eeee> crontab -e
[04:00] <eeee> also there could be files in /etc/cron.d , ls and cat them
[04:00] <Jeffrey_f> I need to leave for a few.  I'll be back on here within the next 30 mins
[04:00] <[gnubie]> # crontab -l
[04:00] <[gnubie]> no crontab for root
[04:01] <eeee> try with your user?
[04:02] <eeee> nevermind
[04:02] <[gnubie]> $ crontab -l
[04:02] <[gnubie]> no crontab for gnubie
[04:02] <eeee> maybe in /etc/cron.d ?
[04:06] <[gnubie]> eeee: http://pastie.org/9413892
[04:06] <genoobie> okay, I'll ask again, I know this is a stupid question, but I have a broadcom wifi card and there seem to be a few different drivers that will work
[04:07] <genoobie> Ideally there must be one that is best for ubuntu
[04:07] <genoobie> there seems to be b43, wl, broadcom-sta
[04:07] <ChogyDan> genoobie: isn't that handled by the restricted driver manager?
[04:08] <genoobie> ChogyDan: yes, there is proprietary firmware
[04:08] <genoobie> but I cannot figure out where the thing "broke"
[04:08] <genoobie> the wireless isn't an option when I double click the two arrows (so it's not enabled, even though the switch is "on")
[04:08] <daftykins> install it via command line instead of through that program
[04:09] <genoobie> daftykins: but which one?
[04:09] <genoobie> b43, wl, broadcom-sta
[04:09] <daftykins> ultimately, it depends on your hardware
[04:09] <genoobie> it's a bit confusing
[04:09] <daftykins> but try them and see which works, or which is faster and works
[04:10] <genoobie> 14e4:4311
[04:10] <genoobie> it's supported by multiple drivers
[04:10] <daftykins> that's useless, give the name from lspci
[04:10] <daftykins> yep so try them
[04:12] <genoobie> based on what you know...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[04:12] <genoobie> daftykins: of the choices, b43 vs wl
[04:12] <genoobie> is one better?
[04:12] <daftykins> i just told you what to do.
[04:12] <daftykins> you're not married to the first one you install :)
[04:13] <ChogyDan> genoobie: did you have issues installing the firmware?
[04:13] <poz> what? tell that to ubuntu 12.04.. sheesh
[04:16] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie] and eeee, anything??
[04:17] <eeee> Jeffrey_f: nope, nothing in cron.d or crontab, http://pastie.org/9413892
[04:17] <zanzacar> can anyone help me with this error? http://pastebin.com/7xT7T3Kt
[04:17] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: still can’t find the root cause.. :(
[04:18] <Jeffrey_f> I just thought it was very strange the 5 minutes after the hour on "last boot"
[04:18] <zanzacar> libsane issues won't go away, been trying -f install, -f autoremove etc but I can't seem to get it to stop complaining to me
[04:19] <linocisco> http://www.networkworld.com/article/2453284/opensource-subnet/ubuntu-14-04-is-canonical-taking-on-too-much.html
[04:19] <linocisco> is true?
[04:20] <ChogyDan> zanzacar: what happens when you try to remove libsane?
[04:20] <ChogyDan> linocisco: maybe try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:21] <linocisco> ChogyDan, thanks
[04:22] <ChogyDan> zanzacar: I can definitely help you get past that error.  It's just a question of how "nuclear" you want to go...
[04:22] <Ligneus> So does anyone think they could help with my touchscreen problem?
[04:22] <rww> .
[04:22] <zanzacar> ChogyDan: Well I could just whipe my whole system but I would like to learn how to resolve it
[04:23] <zanzacar> ChogyDan: Here is the results of remove libsane. http://pastebin.com/AJwHwKFh
[04:23] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: grep -i error /var/log/syslog|pastebinit
[04:24] <Bashing-om> zanzacar: ChogyDan // "trying to overwrite shared '/etc/sane.d/v4l.conf'? .. -> apt-cache policy libsane <- nother instance installed ? .
[04:26] <zanzacar> I am not too familiar with apt-cache so I don't know if there is another instance. Here is the results http://pastebin.com/DXPijEpS
[04:26] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: http://pastie.org/9413908
[04:26] <ChogyDan> zanzacar: dpkg -S /etc/sane.d/v41.conf should tell you what other package might be installed.  apt-cache policy libsane should give you some info on what libsane packages are installed, since, it seems to think there are other versions installed?   A slightly nuclear option would be to just delete /etc/sane.d/v41.conf, and try proceeding from there, reinstalling libsane when you can
[04:27] <iMadper> hi all. I set an empty password for my ubuntu box. However sudo doesn't work after I type "return" after it prompt me input password.
[04:28] <iMadper> is there any workarounds?
[04:28] <zanzacar> ChogyDan: Ok seems logical, so How about I just move it to my home directory for now and see what happens.
[04:28] <ChogyDan> zanzacar: mhm, go for it
[04:29] <zanzacar> ChogyDan: so it just started to complain about another file in the same folder.
[04:29] <zanzacar> Let me try moving the whole directory or something
[04:30] <Jeffrey_f> eeee: check [gnubie] 's pastebin
[04:30] <eeee> i checked it
[04:31] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: do the same command 2 more times.....replace error with panic and warning........lets see what it shows
[04:32] <eeee> [gnubie]: did you recently replace the ram or something, saw a post online about it.
[04:32] <zanzacar> ChogyDan: So I moved the entire directory to my home folder. Everything seems to be installing correctly. Now is there any harm in deleting my old directory?
[04:32] <zanzacar> I am not sure what it is even for to be honest.
[04:32] <kastan> does any one no how to open a .rar file
[04:32] <zanzacar> kastan: carefully
[04:33] <kastan> zanzacar lol
[04:33] <zanzacar> kastan: are you using the terminal or a gui/desktop?
[04:33] <ChogyDan> zanzacar: nah, it's fine.  It is just some files part of the libsane package.  If you just installed a new version of libsane, then everything should be set.  Worst comes to worst, you could reinstall libsane...
[04:33] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: http://pastie.org/9413919
[04:33] <kastan> its a gui desktop but i still use terminal more than i use anything else
[04:33] <zanzacar> ChogyDan: that is kind of what I figured.
[04:34] <[gnubie]> eeee: i added more ram few weeks ago
[04:34] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: shows unclean shutdown......waiting for the next one
[04:34] <zanzacar> kastan: Here is a post on the forum about how to do it through the terminal
[04:34] <zanzacar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2043444
[04:35] <eeee> [gnubie]: do a memtest, restart and hold shift to get grub
[04:35] <zanzacar> You could also do it through the gui/desktop if you wanted to, never the less I think you might need to install something either way
[04:35] <eeee> [gnubie]: it could be that they need to be reseated
[04:35] <kastan> zanzacar awesome thank you
[04:35] <jhutchins> kastan: There's a free unrar program
[04:35] <zanzacar> kastan: your welcome, anytime.
[04:35] <[gnubie]> eeee: what do you mean by reseated?
[04:36] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: did you do the command with panic replacing error??
[04:36] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: yes but no output.
[04:36] <Jeffrey_f> ok, that's a good thing
[04:36] <eeee> [gnubie]: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1722019
[04:37] <eeee> [gnubie]: remove and install them again firmly ?
[04:37] <[gnubie]> eeee: so that’s how to reseat the ram?
[04:38] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: where is this machine physically?  does that room get warm around the times the machine goes down??
[04:38] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: sunlight shining on the system at all??
[04:38] <eeee> [gnubie]: i think so, yes.
[04:38] <eeee> [gnubie]: try the memtest
[04:39] <[gnubie]> eeee: i actually have 4 x 8gb pc1600mhz ecc ram but i’m seeing pc1333mhz from the system
[04:40] <ObrienDave> [gnubie], probably a BIOS limitation
[04:40] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: no idea if the server room was warm during the reboot but i can say that there is always a running cooling system..
[04:40] <Lost_x> hi guys, i'm back
[04:41] <[gnubie]> ObrienDave: the motherboard supports up to pc16000mhz
[04:41] <Lost_x> can you guide me thru the installation?
[04:41] <Lost_x> i will start from scratch
[04:41] <ko3t> Hi! What remote desktop client i have to use on Mac to connect to the desktop shared on Linux Mint? I enabled desktop sharing on mint
[04:42] <Lost_x> so, windows first?
[04:42] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, do you have Win7 installed?
[04:42] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, yes, that is recommended
[04:42] <Lost_x> when installing windows how many partition do i make?
[04:42] <Loshki> !mint | ko3t
[04:43] <ko3t> Ok, I am willing to install Ubuntu
[04:43] <ko3t> what client should I use?
[04:43] <Beldar> ko3t, client meaning?
[04:43] <ko3t> RDP client for Mac
[04:43] <[gnubie]> my motherboard => http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRD-iF.cfm
[04:44] <Beldar> !mac | ko3t
[04:44] <ko3t> I mean, i want to connect from my Mac computer to my Ubuntu computer
[04:44] <meganerd> ko3t: rdp is for connecting to a Windows PC
[04:44] <ko3t> different machines
[04:44] <ko3t> ok, so what client do I use?
[04:45] <meganerd> ko3t: and ssh is built into macos
[04:45] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: dmesg|pastebinit
[04:45] <meganerd> ko3t: what service are you trying to connect to?
[04:45] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, you don't, let Win7 handle everything
[04:45] <ko3t> meganerd: i want to use graphical UI sharing , not ssh
[04:46] <ko3t> meganerd: vino
[04:46] <meganerd> ko3t: never heard of it
[04:46] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: the output will be a lot of info. besides, it only shows the current running bootup and does not include before it was rebooted. unless you still want to get some idea?
[04:47] <Jeffrey_f> If you looked at it and didn't see anything......it is big.
[04:47] <eeee> that's weird, i just entered a website to read about 1333mhz ram, and i heard the fan come on, next thing i know i get a matrixy-type thing going on (kernel panic i guess?)
[04:47] <meganerd> ko3t: so googling vino and linux it seems that this is some sort of vnc client, I imagine that is what you are looking for then.
[04:47] <ObrienDave> screensaver?
[04:47] <eeee> so i had to hard restart
[04:47] <Lost_x> ok, im booting im windows7 installer
[04:47] <Loshki> ko3t: you want a lot for someone asking about mint & mac on a ubuntu support group. Anyway, there is a vnc mac client, there's also "Screen Sharing" according to google, and also something called microsoft remote desktop.
[04:48] <eeee> ObrienDave: are you talking to me?
[04:48] <ko3t> Loshki: i have to machines , linux and mac, and i want to connect from mac to linux. i didn't know you hate Mint, but I ma totally happy to run Xubuntu
[04:48] <ko3t> two machines
[04:49] <ObrienDave> eeee, just rambling, too much coffee, not enough sleep ;P
[04:49] <eeee> i found this in the /var/log/syslog Jul 23 07:45:28 e kernel: [   20.312967] i915 0000:00:02.0: registered panic notifier
[04:49] <eeee> ObrienDave: hehe ok
[04:50] <Loshki> ko3t: please google "mac vnc rdp client", just like I did...
[04:50] <eeee> did i just lose my kernel panic virginity ?
[04:50] <eeee> lol :D
[04:50] <meganerd> eeee: congratulations?
[04:50] <Bashing-om> eeee: We got from your disconnect " [Read error: No route to host]" // java induced from the web page ??
[04:50] <ko3t> Loshki: i installed VNC on mac, connect keeps being refused. hence the IRC question
[04:51] <ko3t> Loshki: vmc client that is
[04:51] <ko3t> vnc
[04:51] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, let Win7 take over the entire drive, do NOT mess with any partition info, test Win7 install 100% before trying to install Ubuntu, please
[04:52] <Loshki> ko3t: can you ping between the machines? Is the server running? Is there a firewall on client or server?
[04:53] <ko3t> no, no firewall, ssh is working
[04:53] <eeee> Bashing-om: yeah, i guess so..
[04:53] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, so i will not make any partitions in windows7?
[04:54] <Loshki> ko3t: vnc server running?
[04:54] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, no, let Win7 do everything
[04:54] <ko3t> Loshki: vino is running. it's man page says it' s a VNC server
[04:54] <Jeffrey_f> [gnubie]: If the logs are showing nothing spectacular except acknowledging an dirty shutdown, then I will go with a hardware issue, specifically I am thinking it is a thermal shutdown.  Start by getting some compressed air and cleaning out the fans and motherboard heat sinks of duct, especially the power supply.  Ensure that the system has adequate ventilation (no fans are block and air is felt moving) and is not in direct sunlight.
[04:55] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, Ubuntu installer will do the partitions when it's the proper time
[04:55] <Loshki> ko3t: it is, do you know which port it's listening on?
[04:55] <Jeffrey_f> duct, meant dust
[04:56] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, so the whole drive will just be installed with windows7? is that correct?
[04:56] <Lost_x> no partitions
[04:56] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, yes, for now
[04:57] <Lost_x> we know that windows will automatically create  100mb partition for the system reserve
[04:57] <Lost_x> in windows7
[04:57] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, your previous error was due to the partition names, sizes, etc, not being correct for the install
[04:57] <eeee> something's really weird, my fan keeps coming on.. and i have something called update-apt+ running that's taking 100% cpu, i try update-apt and command not found..
[04:58] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, please let Win7 handle everything for now.
[04:58] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, you're right i guess coz, i jst  follow some of the instruction i found in the net
[04:59] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, once it's installed and tested, then we'll worry about getting Ubuntu working
[04:59] <[gnubie]> Jeffrey_f: http://pastebin.com/tLKL1QGf and http://pastebin.com/02bjc3p0
[04:59] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, i deleted  the previous partitions now, i got 1 unallocated space 465.5GB
[04:59] <eeee> i guess update-apt is part of the system.. nevermind
[05:00] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, and we know that 100% of the info on the net is 100% correct. rofl :))
[05:00] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, that sounds good for a 500MB drive
[05:00] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, but i dont want my files and prjects to be save in the same drive with my oses
[05:01] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, you only have one physical drive, yes?
[05:02] <Lost_x> yes only one drive for now
[05:02] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, is it possible to install the ubuntu at the other physicall drive?
[05:03] <ko3t> Loshki: I installed XRDP and I can connect using Microsoft Remote Desktop from Mac. But if I try to start a program via remote desktop , connection is dropped
[05:04] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, yes, i don't see why not. easier to make this drive dual boot Win7/Ubuntu and use 2nd drive for data
[05:06] <Lost_x> i got you
[05:06] <firster> any opinion on using lubuntu as a server?
[05:07] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, installing windows... get back to you when done...
[05:07] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, so, please finish Win7 install before we tackle the Ubuntu :)
[05:07] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, i'll be here
[05:10] <tarelerulz> Do any of you mount your Android smart phone if so  What version of Android to you use?
[05:15] <Beldar> tarelerulz, Do you have an actual issue?
[05:15] <tarelerulz> My problem is I can't mount the device with mtp or usb 3.  It shows up as an icon ,but nothing happens.
[05:16] <edition> where is the SDL2 build for ubuntu?
[05:17] <Beldar> tarelerulz, What ubuntu release and what android release? Do you have the usb debugging set?
[05:18] <tarelerulz> It stock  4.4.2  Android and running Ubuntu 14.04.
[05:19] <Beldar> tarelerulz, Do you have the usb debugging set in development?
[05:19] <tarelerulz> I do now.
[05:20] <Beldar> tarelerulz, unmount and try again
[05:21] <tarelerulz> It shows up as icon .  I don't know where it mounts to the system
[05:22] <NoCoins> Hey, anyone here? :)
[05:23] <ObrienDave> tarelerulz, try /media or /mnt
[05:23] <ObrienDave> NoCoins, nope, no one here
[05:23] <NoCoins> Ahh okay
[05:23] <NoCoins> Thanks ObrienDave :)
[05:25] <tarelerulz> I looked under media and nothing
[05:25] <Beldar> tarelerulz, The icon should open it, I would try another usb cord, not sure usb3 is usable.
[05:26] <Novartis> Anyone know anything about writing some scripts?
[05:30] <tarelerulz> Every port I try the same thing . It not able to mount an mtp device.
[05:32] <Novartis> Anyone with scripting experience?
[05:32] <pr0metheu5> does this room still have the "what is the best x" thing?
[05:32] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, done installing windows, what's next?
[05:33] <pr0metheu5> Or was that casual chat ...
[05:34] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, have you tested Win7? does it boot correctly?
[05:34] <Lost_x> yes, i'll another restart....wait...
[05:34] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, give me about a 10 minute break, brb
[05:35] <Lost_x> ok
[05:36] <miggym> how can i test what xdg-open uses as the default file manager? trying to get "open containing folder" working in chrome/qbittorrent
[05:36] <Sachiru> What does the "linux-firmware" package contain? What exactly does it do?
[05:38] <Beldar> tarelerulz, I suspect you need a different cord your setup should just work.
[05:40] <edition> where is SDL2 libraries for ubuntu?
[05:41] <pjdelport> Hi, i'm trying to troubleshoot an Ubuntu installation that mysteriously stopped booting.
[05:42] <pjdelport> It's on a machine dual booting Windows 8 with UEFI
[05:42] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, is everything ok with Win7?
[05:42] <Lost_x> it boot perfectly
[05:43] <ObrienDave> excellent
[05:43] <pjdelport> It used to work fine for months, but then yesterday it started booting only into Windows, even though the UEFI boot menu shows entries for both Windows and Ubuntu
[05:43] <pjdelport> Choosing either just makes it boot into Windows.
[05:44] <pjdelport> There's no GRUB menu, like there was before when selecting Ubuntu
[05:44] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, burn Ubuntu ISO to DVD
[05:44] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, the whole drive is now in NTFS and i got a 100mb System Reserve drive created by windows during installation
[05:44] <pjdelport> I'm booted into a live CD now, and have Boot-Info output here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7840103/
[05:44] <Lost_x> i got already an ISO
[05:44] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, that is a good thing
[05:45] <Lost_x> Ubunto 14.04lts
[05:45] <pjdelport> (Ubuntu 14.04, of course)
[05:45] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, is ISO burned to DVD?
[05:45] <Lost_x> yes
[05:46] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, ok, boot DVD and select "try Ubuntu" there is an IRC client so you can come back here when booted
[05:50] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, i need to restart the machine?
[05:51] <Novartis> Hi, is anyone here having experience with setting up scripts?
[05:51] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, yes, boot the Ubuntu DVD
[05:53] <arquebus> Novartis: what kind of scripts?
[05:55] <Novartis> arquebus: My goal is for my VPS to listen to my email, and scrape a link from it, visit the link, and then scrape text from the link.
[05:55] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, im in
[05:55] <Novartis> Is that possible? :/ I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[05:55] <Novartis> scrape a link from new emails*
[05:56] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, cool, now run the "Install Ubuntu" icon
[05:57] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, when it asks where to install select "alongside windows"
[05:57] <somsip_> Novartis: it's feasible to set up something like offlineimap to mirror your IMAP email folders (if it is IMAP) and run an inotify script to parse new emails, then scrape from there
[05:58] <Novartis> somsip_ Oh that sounds amazing! Thank you!
[05:58] <pjdelport> Anyone?
[05:58] <mortal_> hello
[05:59] <somsip_> Novartis: links with some info to guide you, though wil need adapting and they are old now: http://is.gd/N2NqNO http://is.gd/5yAlUH
[05:59] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, there's not option for installing it "alongside windows", only "Replace windows7 with ubuntu" and "something else"
[06:00] <mortal_> use vmware
[06:00] <mortal_> or virtualbox
[06:00] <bekks> Lost_x: Errm. Of course you can dualboot Windows and Ubuntu.
[06:00] <Novartis> somsip_ Thank you, so much. :) Really can't express my thanks enough, nice blog too :)
[06:00] <bekks> !dualboot | Lost_x
[06:00] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, there should be 'alongside', look again, please
[06:01] <mortal_> vmware
[06:01] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, should be 3 options, alonside, replace, something else
[06:02] <ObrienDave> *alongside
[06:03] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, is this a UEFI machine?
[06:04] <ObrienDave> bekks, why would it not give the "alongside" option?
[06:04] <Guest46264> ..
[06:04] <Guest46264> 怎么用？
[06:05] <ObrienDave> !cn | Guest46264
[06:05] <ObrienDave> !jp | Guest46264
[06:05] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, here's the image of the intallation ibin.co/1UHFOUjYLRt2
[06:06] <ObrienDave> k, looking :))
[06:06] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, is this a UEFI machine?
[06:09] <timmy-> !kr | Guest46264
[06:10] <bekks> ObrienDave: Because it does not detect a windows dynamic disk correctly, most likely.
[06:10] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, i got this mobo recently. gigabyte 64bit
[06:10] <timmy-> Guest46264: what do you wanna?
[06:11] <Lost_x> i guess this is an EFI machine?
[06:11] <bekks> Lost_x: And is it an UEFI machine?
[06:12] <Lost_x> wait, i'll check if it is UEFI?
[06:12] <bekks> Lost_x: Thats what you asked to answer, yes :)
[06:12] <mnathani> how does one reconfigure networking by modifying the /etc/network/interfaces file and have those changes apply without rebooting?
[06:12] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, please do. i should have asked that first
[06:13] <bekks> mnathani: Just edit that file and restart the networking service.
[06:13] <mnathani> bekks: I did try that, but the changes do not take effect
[06:13] <mnathani> do I need to have if up down statements in there?
[06:14] <bekks> mnathani: Depending on your changes. What did you change exactly? Can you please pastebin it? And can you please pastebin how you tried to apply the changed settings?
[06:14] <mnathani> http://pastebin.com/MnjMbyhA
[06:15] <mnathani> changing the ip address for instance
[06:15] <mnathani> from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:16] <bekks> mnathani: Why are you trying to setup a bridge then?
[06:16] <timmy-> mnathani: do you wanna to change your ip address?
[06:16] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, mobo model number, please
[06:17] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, Gigabyte H16M-DS2 R3
[06:19] <Bashing-om> Lost_x: ObrienDave :: typing "bcdedit" in a Windows Administrator Command Prompt window and looking in the "path" line will tell how Windows is booting.
[06:20] <ObrienDave> looks like it's UEFI
[06:20] <mnathani> bekks: the bridge works just fine and is to be used with Virtual Machines KVM
[06:20] <mnathani> timmy-: not at present, but in the past each time I made a change I had to reboot for it to take effect
[06:21] <ObrienDave> !uefi
[06:21] <Lost_x> Bashing-om, tried typing, nothings happen
[06:22] <bekks> mnathani: And how/what did you try to apply those settings?
[06:22] <Heraclides> hellu
[06:22] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, Bashing-om means you need to type that command in a Windows CMD window
[06:22] <aseem> I am following a link given on help.ubuntu to implement ltsp cluster
[06:23] <aseem> here is the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster
[06:23] <mnathani> bekks: modified the IP address, saved the file, then issued: service networking restart
[06:23] <Bashing-om> Lost_x: // strange, should have seen winload.efi, then you're booted in EFI mode; if it refers to winload.exe, then you've booted in BIOS mode. ( so far as my meager knowledge goes).
[06:23] <aseem> can anyone please explain the purpose of root and application servers?
[06:23] <mnathani> alsto tried /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:23] <bekks> mnathani: And what did happen?
[06:23] <jnhghy> I have an ubuntu computer  that is not connected to the internet (only intranet) what should I do to be able to connect throw ssh as root? I tried adding a password with sudo passwd and also to add PermitRootLogin yes to sshd_config but I still get permission denied... (I've also restarted the ssh service)
[06:23] <ObrienDave> !uefi | Lost_x
[06:24] <bekks> !root | jnhghy
[06:24] <Lost_x> Bashing-om, do we need to make some changes in the bios?
[06:24] <mnathani> bekks: the old ip remained, new one did not take effect. Then I restarted and then the changes took effect
[06:24] <unstable> What is a good way to search the content of files? eg, if I want to search for a string inside any files on my computer?
[06:24] <bekks> mnathani: So basically your problem is already solved?
[06:24] <bekks> unstable: you can use "grep" for searching inside a file.
[06:24] <jnhghy> bekks: how would that help? I can't do ssh root@ubuntu ?
[06:25] <cfhowlett> unstable "sed"  as well
[06:25] <mnathani> not really, I have other ubuntu boxes I would like to manage IP addressing for without having to reboot each time I make a change
[06:25] <bekks> jnhghy: Correct. Thats intended.
[06:25] <bekks> mnathani: I gues it have something to do with the fact that you are using a bridge. I used bridges a long time ago, and doesnt remember that anymore.
[06:26] <Guest91554> hello
[06:26] <somsip_> unstable: grep -nir "search term" /path (will give you a recursive, ignore case search and output filenames and line numbers)
[06:26] <mnathani> bekks: thanks
[06:27] <Bashing-om> Lost_x: I would suspect so .. ya want to set it to boot in EFI mode and install Windows and ubuntu in EFI mode. Elsae you will be booting the legacy MBR, EFI is the future and is a better partitioning scheme.
[06:27] <Bashing-om> else*
[06:28] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, so, we might have to start over with the Win7 install
[06:29] <santhosh____> hai
[06:29] <ObrienDave> i should have asked first about UEFI, sorry
[06:29] <santhosh____> iam not able to conncet vnc on ubuntu and lubuntu 14.04
[06:30] <Lost_x> here's the image http://ibin.co/1UHN1ojSXmHb
[06:30] <santhosh____> desktop sharing is not working on lubuntuand ubuntu 14.04
[06:30] <Lost_x> it is a a DualBIOS
[06:30] <unstable> Thanks!
[06:30]  * cfhowlett thinks "DualBIOS"?  That's a thing, now?
[06:31] <santhosh____> this is the bug in ubuntu 14.04
[06:31] <santhosh____> hai
[06:31] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, thinking is more like UEFI and BIOS as a backup, dunno
[06:31] <Lost_x> ok
[06:31] <santhosh____> how o reslove the issue in desktop sharing
[06:31] <Novartis> How come files that I do sudo apt-get on aren't listed under ls?
[06:31] <Lost_x> we have time.... :)
[06:32] <santhosh____> in ubuntu
[06:32] <bekks> "DualBIOS" ist just a marketing buzzword for "giving you the ability to choose between UEFI and BIOS behaviour" in the settings.
[06:33] <ObrienDave> Novartis, ls is only a listing for the current directory
[06:34] <ObrienDave> Novartis, and installed package names are not necessarily the same as the installed file names
[06:34] <Bashing-om> ObrienDave: Lost_x :: I am calling it a night for this session. I will return on my morrow afternoon.
[06:35] <ObrienDave> Bashing-om, thank you, see you l8r
[06:35] <Novartis> Oh of course, thank you ObrienDave :)
[06:36] <Novartis> How do I remove a directory?
[06:36] <cfhowlett> Novartis rmdir
[06:36] <Novartis> Ahh
[06:36] <cfhowlett> Novartis so simple a cave man could do it.
[06:37] <Novartis> I apologize for the noob questions. I spent like 10 minutes reading the page on deleting files :/
[06:37] <ObrienDave> caveman? who? where?
[06:37] <cfhowlett> Novartis no apology needed.
[06:37] <bipul> Hello, I am running ubuntu 14.04, I have  connected it to "2.5 SATA EXTERNAL CASE", My question is here, that i can see two icons of Disk in my left panel, each of them is having same volume space.
[06:37] <cfhowlett> No names were mentioned *cough ObrienDave cough*
[06:37] <ObrienDave> LOL ;P
[06:37] <Novartis> rmdir -r for directories with things in them? cfhowlett ?
[06:38] <ObrienDave> Novartis, -r means recursive
[06:39] <Lost_x> obriendave, no probs. go ahead and thanks
[06:39] <cfhowlett> Novartis yep but you might need to sudo that.  when I really need to kill a file, I used that which must not be named command
[06:39] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, i represent that remark ;P
[06:39] <Lost_x> im mean to Bashing-om
[06:39] <Lost_x> ;)
[06:39] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, i'm staying
[06:41] <Mrokii> Hello. I've recently set the $DISPLAY env var and now synaptic doesn't start anymore. I tried unsetting $DISPLAY via "unset display" but Synaptic still complains about it. What can I do?
[06:41] <Lost_x> ObrienDave so, back to scratch?
[06:41] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, oh, cool, AMI bios/uefi
[06:41] <Novartis> Ohhh
[06:41] <Novartis> I think it's rm -r not rmdir -r
[06:41] <Novartis> Which actually makes sense if the directory has files and not just directories in it
[06:41] <Lost_x> i dunno ha, i think the option that we can install ubuntu alongside windows will appear when there are partition found...
[06:42] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, i believe so, let me read the UEFI help topic again
[06:43] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, for now, boot into Win7 and start a CMD window, please
[06:44] <Lost_x> ok
[06:46] <Lost_x> im in cmd now
[06:46] <nikhil> nick
[06:46] <nikhil> sda
[06:46] <nikhil> hello
[06:47] <timmy-> nikhil:who is nick lol
[06:47] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, what's next? im in the command prompt now
[06:49] <ObrienDave> k, sec
 Lost_x: ObrienDave :: typing "bcdedit" in a Windows Administrator Command Prompt window and looking in the "path" line will tell how Windows is booting.
[06:50] <blaaa> Are the nosuid, nodev and noexec permissions generally safe to use for the /tmp filesystem?
[06:50] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, what does the "path" line say?
[06:52] <timmy-> blaaa: maybe you are right,I think the /tmp directory will be auto-cleaned when the system reboot
[06:52] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, "The boot configuration data store could be opened. Access is denied."
[06:52] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, you need to open CMD in administrator mode
[06:53] <Lost_x> ok
[06:54] <blaaa> timmy-: I think that can be set as required, also only files of a specific minimum age can be purged, but the mount flags might interfere with stuff I suppose
[06:54] <akula18> Hello everyone!!! Where can i find list of phones I can install ubuntu on??
[06:54] <cfhowlett> !touch | akula18
[06:54] <akula18> Thanks!!
[06:55] <akula18> !touch
[06:56] <Guest91554> how can i add my own channel?
[06:56] <timmy-> blaaa: you wanna mount manually the /tmp directory?
[06:56] <cfhowlett> Guest91554 in IRC?  /join #yourchannelname
[06:57] <blaaa> timmy-: no automounable in the fstab
[06:57] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, here's the path "\windows\system32
[06:57] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, here's the path "\windows\system32\winload.exe"
[06:59] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, not sure if that means UEFI or not. let's look into your BIOS settings and see if we can find a clue there
[06:59] <Slappy> ok I am getting frustrated
[06:59] <Lost_x> back to bios right?
[06:59] <ObrienDave> yes, please
[07:00] <timmy-> blaaa: do you want to set the read or write permission for the directory by yourself?
[07:00] <Slappy> it seems that no matter what linux distro I use, I get nothing but buggy nonsense & gross instability. I thought linux was supposed to be MORE stable than windows, nless
[07:00] <Slappy> not less*
[07:00] <Sachiru> Strange
[07:00] <cfhowlett> Slappy rant less, details more = you'll get assistance.  otherwise: #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:00] <Sachiru> Most of us find that Linux is more stable than Windows
[07:01] <Sachiru> Could be a PEBKAC error on your end, Slappy
[07:01] <timmy-> blaaa: I think you can use the -o args like 'mount -oremount, wr /dev/xxx /xxx'
[07:01] <cfhowlett> Sachiru PEBKAC?  What the deuce?
[07:01] <ObrienDave> Sachiru, lol
[07:01] <Sachiru> cfhowlett: Google it
[07:01] <Slappy> I installed 14.04 a few weeks ago & from the start I keep getting pop ups saying that there are system problems & programs crashing, & with both Chrome every page crashes & gives me that "Aw Snap herp derp, herpy derpy derpity derp" nonsense
[07:01]  * cfhowlett delivers a slap with a slappy ramen noodle
[07:02] <ozofoz> Hi, this might be out of the scope of this help channel but I am wondering if a system recovery dvd that's given with a laptop can or cannot be used to make newly installed SSD drive work just as the old HDD?
[07:02] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, im in....
[07:02] <ObrienDave> ozofoz, it should work
[07:02] <cfhowlett> ozofoz is this a linux recovery CD?
[07:02] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, what are we looking?
[07:03] <ozofoz> chalcedony: sadly it is a win7 recovery disk, the lappy came with win7 installed on it
[07:03] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, see if you can find "fast boot" being on
[07:03] <Slappy> My question is what do I have to do in order to install & use Ubuntu or ANY distro for that matter without having to worry about glitches & holes where something "went wrong"?
[07:03] <Sachiru> @Slappy: What hardware, how did you install, are you absolutely sure that your hardware is OK, etc?
[07:03] <cfhowlett> ozofoz best ask ##windows how it could be done
[07:03] <cfhowlett> Slappy buy a linux OEM and understand taht there ARE no guarantees.
[07:03] <Slappy> Intell I5, 8 gb of dual channel patriot ram, all my hardware is fine & the Md5 checks out
[07:03] <ozofoz> cfhowlett: i'll try, thank you :)
[07:04] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, see if you can find "fast boot/quick boot" being on
[07:04] <Slappy> Occasionally when I run memtests it throws out errors, but typically once I let the computer sit for a bit, the mem test passes just fine
[07:04] <Sachiru> i5, what mother board, what generation?
 Occasionally when I run memtests it throws out errors, <-- Well there's your problem
[07:04] <Sachiru> Hardware issues
[07:05] <Sachiru> If it's absolutely fine memtest should NOT throw out errors, whether you let it sit for a bit or not
[07:05] <Slappy> Asus board I think, it's a CyberPower desktop I got about 3 years ago
[07:05] <Sachiru> The moment it throws out an error the hardware becomes suspect
[07:05] <Slappy> Its happened on systems with clean ram though too
[07:06] <Sachiru> And how sure are you that the RAM on these systems are clean?
[07:06] <Sachiru> Or the power supply is not at fault?
[07:06] <Slappy> because they test clean, & in most cases are brand new
[07:06] <Sachiru> So?
[07:06] <Slappy> I already tried replacing the ram, it ran clean when I first put it in
[07:06] <bekks> Slappy: "new" doesnt mean a thing at all.
[07:06] <Sachiru> A brand new module cannot come out of the factory without errors, I take it?
[07:06] <cfhowlett> Slappy "new" stuff goes bad all the time.
[07:06] <blaaa> timmy-: yes, it's no problem to add nosuid, nodev and noexec to the mount flags in fstab, but I am not sure these permissions won't interfere with something. Also on /var, does postfix still work correctly with its chroot dir on a partition mounted with nodev for example
[07:07] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, i have enable the Fast Boot option, there are 3 options disabled, enabled and ultra fast
[07:07] <Sachiru> There's this thing called "intermittent errors" with RAM
[07:07] <Sachiru> It may be intermittent, but the fact is that it's throwing out errors
[07:07] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, sending another image http://ibin.co/1UHYARZ16PZ1
[07:07] <Slappy> ok but if it's new & passes memtest, then its safe to assume that it's clean
[07:07] <Sachiru> Also power supply issues can cause intermittent
[07:07] <Sachiru> If it's new and it passes memtest _CONSISTENTLY_ ot
[07:07] <Slappy> ok so your saying these errors are the result of my Ram throwing out errors?
[07:07] <Sachiru> If it's new and it passes memtest _CONSISTENTLY_ it's safe to assume it's clean
[07:08] <Rohan_m> Is there anyway to create new user and restrict him to /home directory
[07:08] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, ok
[07:08] <Sachiru> If it passes memtest only half the time or less it's not clean
[07:08] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, i chose Enabled
[07:08] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, disable fast boot
[07:08] <Slappy> no the old memory only passed half the time & that was if the PC was hot & overused
[07:08] <Sachiru> Think of it this way: Would you call a toaster that turns on only half the time "functional"?
[07:09] <Rohan_m> ikonia: is there any way to create new user and restrict him to home directory
[07:09] <Sachiru> If it isn't, then why do you call RAM that tests out fine only half the time as "clean"?
[07:09] <Slappy> The new ram I tested out in this system & still had the same issues before I transfered it to my secondary system which I bought it for
[07:09] <cfhowlett> Slappy so you're consistently having issues with the hardware ... and that's due to a fault with the OS?
[07:09]  * ObrienDave hates raw toast
[07:09] <ozofoz> windudes seems asleep atm :P
[07:09] <ikonia> Rohan_m: yes, chroot
[07:09] <Sachiru> I'm guessing Windows isn't working well on that system too, Slappy
[07:09]  * Slappy facepalm
[07:10] <ikonia> Rohan_m: you'll be better asking the channel rather than individual people
[07:10] <Sachiru> If all OSes you install on that fails, then maybe it isn't the OS'es fault?
[07:10] <Sachiru> I know, it's such a huge leap of logic, but just try thinking about that
[07:10] <Rohan_m> ikonia: i already asked
[07:10] <timmy-> blaaa: I think the system cannot work correctly for long time if you change the permission of system directory.
[07:10] <Novartis> What's the appropriate usage for automake?
[07:10] <ozofoz> I am wondering if these recovery dvd's have *all* the information required to make the newly installed SSD work, or shall I somehow clone or copy the old disk into that new SSD ? As in, can I just install the SSD, put in the recovery dvd, and get off with it?
[07:11] <cfhowlett> Sachiru Would that be the language of logic you are employing?
[07:11] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, fast boot is already disabled, leave it as is?
[07:11] <timmy-> blaaa: maybe create a non-system directory and change that is better for you
[07:11] <cfhowlett> ozofoz win7 is not supported here.  go to windows for support with windows software
[07:11] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, focus is really bad on that pic, please resend
[07:12] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, yes, leave disabled
[07:12] <ozofoz> i am not asking a windows question, the recovery dvd could also be for linux for those laptops with preinstalled linux systems
[07:12] <Slappy> Well again as I said, when I tested out the new ram on this system, I was getting the same problems, but after I transferred the new Ram to my secondary system to answer your question, Windows actually ran on it reletively fine. Only problem I ran into was having to install some drivers for my ethernet adapter
[07:12] <ikonia> Rohan_m: ok, so waiting for a response rather than randomly asking me when I may not be at my desk would be better
[07:12] <cfhowlett> ozofoz you said it was a windows 7 recovery disk ...
[07:12] <Sachiru> @Slappy: Anywho, tl;dr - Unless you get 100% passed RAM 100% of the time you test, the hardware isn't clean. It could be the RAM, could be the board, could be the processor, could be the power supply, could be some combination of the three.
[07:12] <Slappy> So yeah, still had the same problem when the new clean ram was in this system, but not with the same ram in the other system running windows
[07:12] <blaaa> timmy-: I want to limit permissions on directories as much as possible, so setting the nosuid, noexec and nodev  ount options as much as reasonably possible
[07:13] <Rohan_m> blaaa: same here
[07:13] <ozofoz> but the question is not windows related
[07:13] <Sachiru> Then I suspect incompatibilities with your RAM and the board or CPU. And yes, that happens.
[07:13] <Rohan_m> ikonia: oh i'm new to this chat system i dont know rules
[07:13] <Lost_x> ok
[07:13] <Sachiru> I've had systems that ran fine with 2 GB of DDR3 RAM in a socket, but fail when a 4 GB stick is slotted in.
[07:13] <Slappy> Ok, so presuming I go out & buy ALL new parts & build a brand new desktop & keep getting the same problems?
[07:13] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, reinstall windows7?
[07:14] <cfhowlett> ozofoz depends.  I don't know that computers still come with recovery cd's - you're expected to make your own
[07:14] <ozofoz> i asked if a system recovery disk can be used to make a clean upgraded SSD to work, or shall i clone/copy the old hdd into the SSD
[07:14] <Sachiru> Presuming you buy all new parts you need to check that they all work first.
[07:14] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, not yet, i want to see the rest of the bios settings
[07:14] <Mathisen> dont be a idiot now Sachiru
[07:14] <Slappy> Do I just assume that my new desktop is faulty too? or that Ubuntu seems to have issues that apparently I need to correct after install?
[07:14] <Sachiru> Since you're so convinced and so determined to blame linux, try this: Install Windows on that particular rig and see if you don't get a BSOD within two months.
[07:14] <blaaa> Rohan_m: trial and error is possible to find out what works or not, but I suppose there must be people who've done that before. I have separate filesystems for various subdirectiries, for some it's straightforward what can be done or not, but for others, like /var an /tmp it's less clear...
[07:15] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, please take new pic (in focus ;P ) and resend
[07:15] <Rohan_m> ikonia: so i need to study the chroot concept from start
[07:15] <ozofoz> cfhowlett: okies, thank you!
[07:15] <Slappy> Dude, I been using Linux for about 2 years & at times I do like it more than Windows. Frankly I try to avoid using windows
[07:15] <Sachiru> The thing is, Slappy, you're one of a small few who has problems when installing linux on any system they touch
[07:15] <Sachiru> While we typically just install and go
[07:16] <Slappy> Im just at a point of frustration where I am sick & tired of having to re-install linux & keep trying out distro after distro to find that one that is actually stable only to find out that every time, after a couple days, or sometimes right out of the box I get python issues, or dpkg errors or just random unreportable update problems
[07:17] <ikonia> Slappy: the common issue is the user in those situations normally
[07:17] <Novartis> Have you considered iOS? :P
[07:17] <Slappy> -_-
[07:17] <ikonia> Slappy: you don't randomly get python errors or dpkg errors - only if you do things that cause breakage or don't pay attention to what you are doing
[07:17] <Sachiru> @Slappy: Those typically are indicative of PEBKAC errors
[07:17] <cfhowlett> Slappy if you're that frustrated, install windows l.  Install virtualbox and put linux in a virtualbox so you can experiment.  Or get a mac.
[07:17] <ikonia> Slappy: of course there are bugs, but that isn't the situation you are describing
[07:17] <Novartis> There's a windows 1? :o
[07:18] <Slappy> Pebkac huh? its a freaking point & click GUI install process
[07:18] <Slappy> What did I rub the install icon the wrong way?
[07:18] <Sachiru> @Slappy if your "issues" are that pervasive nobody would use linux for servers. The fact that they do and are capable of keeping them with several months of uptime without difficulty shows that linux is not the thing at fault.
[07:19] <Slappy> Was I supposed to circle the mouse curser over it 3 times & dangle a dead chicken over it before clicking to do it "right"?
[07:19] <Slappy> Its a point & click thing
[07:19] <Slappy> there is very little room for PEBCAK
[07:19] <snufft> hey guys!
[07:19] <cfhowlett> Slappy seems we can't help you.  Suggest you install and use a more "user friendly" OS
[07:19] <cfhowlett> snufft greetings.  ask your questions.
[07:19] <Sachiru> @Slappy: Get a chromebook
[07:20] <Sachiru> Or iPad.
[07:20] <lataupe> Hello, where is Mr Zic?
[07:20] <Slappy> So this is the community support that everyone raves about?
[07:20] <cfhowlett> lataupe wrong channel
[07:20] <snufft> when I ssh into a server, it just shows the $. how cna I change that to something like [user name]@pwd ?
[07:20] <Slappy> If you're having issues, then "clearly it's the users fault & they should just use windows"?
[07:20] <snufft> (the server is ubuntu 12.04 btw)
[07:20] <ikonia> Slappy: what's the actual issue you're having
[07:21] <cfhowlett> Slappy sarcasm and attitude will quickly lead to /ignore.  If you want to solve issue, restrict your verbiage to technical discussion
[07:21] <somsip_> snufft: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizingBashPrompt
[07:21] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, im taking new pic
[07:21] <ikonia> Slappy: no one is saying "clearly its the users fault" however the situation you describe it is commonly driven by bad practices from the user
[07:21] <Sachiru> Apparently he has dpkg errors after installing with GUI installer.
[07:21] <Slappy> I would copy & paste the pop up details here but for some reason they are un-copyable
[07:21] <Sachiru> How that happens is anyone's guess.
[07:21] <ikonia> Slappy: just explain the problem
[07:21] <cfhowlett> snufft #ubuntu-server is also available
[07:21] <lataupe> svp, il est ou le canal pour les français?
[07:21] <ikonia> Slappy: first thing - what version of ubuntu are you using /
[07:21] <cfhowlett> !fr|lataupe
[07:21] <Sachiru> 14.04
[07:22] <snufft> somsip_, cfhowlett thak you very much!
[07:22] <snufft> somsip_++
[07:22] <Sachiru> "<Slappy> I installed 14.04 a few weeks ago & from the start I keep getting pop ups saying that there are system problems & programs crashing, & with both Chrome every page crashes & gives me that "Aw Snap herp derp, herpy derpy derpity derp" nonsense"
[07:22] <snufft> cfhowlett++
[07:22] <lataupe> #ubuntu-fr
[07:22] <cfhowlett> snufft happy2help
[07:22] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, ok, waiting with baited breath :))
[07:22] <ikonia> Sachiru: let me work this through from Slappy please - first had
[07:22] <ikonia> Slappy: lets try to walk through this
[07:22] <ikonia> Slappy: acceptable ?
[07:22] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave baited/bated/
[07:22] <timmy-> blaaa: I am not sure it can work correctly whether you limit permission on  these directories. good luck
[07:22] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, oops LOL
[07:23] <lataupe> join  #ubuntu-qc
[07:23] <Slappy> ok well right now I'm on Ubuntu 14.04. Firefox crashes & closes almost any time I open a browser, Chrome & Chromeum keep crashing with that damn "Aw snap herpty derp" screen, Midory only half loads then just blanks out half the page, & I constantly get "system problem" pop ups & when I use theupdater to update instead of terminal it always ends up faiuling to update something
[07:23] <Sachiru> From what we experience fresh installs resulting in system problems are indicative of hardware issues but he insists that his hardware is clean, despite "<Slappy> no the old memory only passed half the time & that was if the PC was hot & overused"
[07:24] <ikonia> Slappy: ok so lets look at your system
[07:24] <ikonia> Slappy: do you know how to open a terminal ?
[07:24] <Slappy> honestly the only distros that have been stable for me is mint 14, Ultimate edition & Zorin 6.2, (kind of, but still had problems with it before)
[07:25] <ikonia> Slappy: please keep to the topic
[07:25] <Slappy> yes I know how to open a terminal
[07:25] <Slappy> as I said I have been using linux almost exclusively for over 2 years
[07:25] <ikonia> Slappy: ok, do you know how to use a pastebin ?
[07:25] <Slappy> yeah
[07:26] <Slappy> yes I know how to use pastebin
[07:26] <ikonia> Slappy: fantastic, could you please pastebin the output of the following commands (there will be a lot of output) "uname -a" "sudo apt-get update"
[07:26] <Slappy> ok want me to do it as 2 commands or 1
[07:26] <ikonia> 1 pastebin is fine
[07:27] <Slappy> so uname -a & then do an update?
[07:27] <ikonia> Slappy: uname -a (only one line output) put it into a pastebin, then do sudo apt-get update and put it into the same pastebin, then click submit and give me the pastebin url please.
[07:28] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, here the image of the fastboot under BIO Features ibin.co/1UHefClMzcUl
[07:31] <ObrienDave> k
[07:31] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, actually the status of the Fast boot was already changed. I change it. but before it was Disabled
[07:32] <ObrienDave> leave it disabled for now
[07:32] <Lost_x> ok
[07:32] <Slappy> well my system became non responsive so had to do a hard reboot
[07:32] <Slappy> hang on while I try to get the pastebin back
[07:35] <maxxer> hi. I have a DHCPv6 server in my LAN, but NetworkManager is apparently  not requesting dhcpv6 address
[07:35] <maxxer> if I manually run "dhclient -6 wlan0" I get the IPV6 address
[07:39] <Slappy> well this is just perfect
[07:39] <Slappy> now chrome wont even work well enough for me to get the damn pastebin link
[07:39] <Slappy> I THINK this is the right one
[07:39] <Slappy> aaaand it didnt copy
[07:40] <Slappy> -_-
[07:40] <ObrienDave> ikonia, would having Win7 installed in UEFI mode cause Ubuntu install to NOT see the "alongside" option?
[07:40] <Lewoco_> How do I enable mail forwarding using ~/.forward?
[07:40] <ikonia> ObrienDave: possible
[07:40] <Slappy> http://pastebin.com/YXaAcXDg
[07:40] <ObrienDave> ikonia, thanks
[07:40] <Beldar> ObrienDave, It needs an unallocated I believe.
[07:41] <ikonia> Slappy: strtaight away - big problems
[07:41] <Slappy> ok please elaborate
[07:41] <ikonia> Slappy: a.) you've got mixed version repos b.) you've got 3rd party repos / PPA's that can cause package conflicts
[07:41] <ObrienDave> Beldar, we have Win7 installed but Ubuntu install does not see "alongside" option
[07:41] <ikonia> Slappy: your machine isn't up to date also - which I suspect is due to it not being able to do so because of package conflicts
[07:42] <Slappy> I didn't add any repos though. Just whatever the defaukts were
[07:42] <Slappy> defaults*
[07:42] <Beldar> ObrienDave, W8 in general does the same from what I have seen here, a resize in the windows disk manager to make an unallocated is what I've see.
[07:42] <ikonia> Slappy: they are not defaults
[07:42] <ikonia> Slappy: look at it - you have precise repos and trusty repos
[07:42] <ikonia> Slappy: that is VERY bad
[07:42] <ikonia> Slappy: you also have playonjlinux PPA/repo which is known to cause problems
[07:43] <Slappy> Ok so POL causes issues?
[07:43] <ikonia> Slappy: you have the google repos, which sometimes has some odd dependency packages in it depending ont he package
[07:43] <Slappy> well yeah I have Chromium & Chrome
[07:43] <ikonia> Slappy: you have the steampowered repo - but I'm not %100 aware of the current packages in there so don't know of that ones impact
[07:43] <ikonia> Slappy: basically you've installed a lot of bad/conflicting repos
[07:43] <Slappy> So let me see if I understand. Part of the problem is that I am utilizing Chrome, Chromium & POL?
[07:44] <ikonia> Slappy: so I have zero surprise your machine is in a bad way
[07:44] <ikonia> Slappy: no, you're not reading what I said
[07:44] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, ok, let's try reinstalling Win7 with Fast Boot disabled
[07:44] <ikonia> Slappy: problem one - you have mixed precise and trusty repos - this is VERY bad
[07:44] <ikonia> Slappy: problem two - you are using 3rd party repos that are known to cause problems/conflicts
[07:44] <cfhowlett> Slappy mixed repos = 99.9% breakage ...
[07:44] <ikonia> Slappy: these two problems = a huge mess/disaster machine
[07:45] <Slappy> ok, so how did that occur? When I update I either go to terminal & do the spt-get update or I use the update manager
[07:45] <ikonia> Slappy: the fact that you don't know what repos you've installed and think this is "default"
[07:45] <ikonia> Slappy: that suggests the problem - without being rude, is your management of the machine
[07:45] <ikonia> not "ubuntu"
[07:45] <chrissg> Mornin' people. o/
[07:45] <Slappy> ok, so tell me then, what would you call installing the os, opening update manager & clicking update?
[07:45] <cfhowlett> chrissg greetings.  ask you questions
[07:45] <ikonia> Slappy: that's not what you've done
[07:46] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, Thats what we did recently....
[07:46] <ikonia> Slappy: and if thats all you think you've done - you are mistaken, and not aware of what you are doing
[07:46] <ikonia> Slappy: not trying to be rude to you, just trying to be clear with facts
[07:46] <ObrienDave> Slappy, just out of curiosity, between distros did you format your Linux partition or just re-install over each other?
[07:46] <chrissg> No questions :) Answering maybe, hanging out...
[07:46] <Slappy> I formatted
[07:46] <ikonia> Slappy: I would suggest you need a clean install before moving forward with this
[07:46] <ObrienDave> Slappy, ok, thanks
[07:46] <Slappy> I do have other partitions though, so could that be a factor?
[07:46] <Sachiru> @ikonia: Like I said. PEBKAC error.
[07:46] <ikonia> Slappy: no
[07:47] <Slappy> ok so then please answer this for me
[07:47] <cfhowlett> Slappy the fix is to torrent the *buntu you want.  suggest 14.04 for long term support.  format the HDD and clean install.
[07:47] <ikonia> Slappy: I don't doubt it, I agreed, but finding out why there is a problem so Slappy doesn't hit it again is important
[07:47] <ikonia> oops
[07:47] <ikonia> Sachiru: I don't doubt it, I agreed, but finding out why there is a problem so Slappy
[07:47] <ikonia> doesn't hit it again is important
[07:47] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, fast boot was disabled for last Win7 install?
[07:47] <Lost_x> yes
[07:47] <Slappy> I follow the instructions in the installer, & after installing I type in terminal Sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras & then sudo apt-get update
[07:48] <Sachiru> @Slappy: No matter what you click in the instaler it won't add conflicting repos
[07:48] <Sachiru> It's not the installer that's the problem
[07:48] <ikonia> Slappy: that's not what's happened
[07:48] <Sachiru> The installer will NEVER add third-party repos. Or PPAs. Or intermix repo versions.
[07:48] <ikonia> Slappy: at some point you've added the wrong repos
[07:49] <ikonia> Slappy: lets get a clean install and move forward from there
[07:49] <Sachiru> So either you're lying or trying to make excuses for your ignorance, or you're trolling us.
[07:49] <Slappy> Now to get all these conflicting extra drivers, I have to go into update manager & add third party repos right?
[07:49] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, is Win7 still bootable?
[07:49] <Sachiru> Well there's your problem
[07:49] <ikonia> Slappy: lets not discuss this any more
[07:49] <Lost_x> yes
[07:49] <ikonia> Slappy: lets get a clean install and move forward
[07:49] <Slappy> So Im trying to figure out how I gave this system the impression that I wanted to add third party Repos, without actually instructing it to add third party repos
[07:49] <cfhowlett> Slappy but you did precisely that.
[07:49] <Sachiru> Yes. Wipe drive and clean in stall and don't fuck around with third party repos.
[07:50] <cfhowlett> Sachiru dude!  language!
[07:50] <Slappy> ugh fine, hang on
[07:50] <ikonia> Slappy  you know you did it - you installed play on linux
[07:50] <Slappy> I appreciate the help but this is frustrating
[07:50] <ikonia> Slappy: I don't know how/when you installed the precise repos
[07:50] <ikonia> Slappy: either way - lets move on
[07:50] <ikonia> Slappy: it's frustrating as you're not paying attention to managing your machine and causing breakage
[07:50] <cfhowlett> Slappy right.  understood.  moving on ...
[07:50] <ikonia> Slappy: lets get a clean install - take stock and move forward
[07:51] <Slappy> ok hang on
[07:51] <ObrienDave> Slappy, let them help you fix it first then try to understand why later :)
[07:52] <wuxl> Good afternoon everyone!!
[07:52] <jayaura> How do I setup LVM  when installing ubuntu on a fresh system with manual intervention ?
[07:52] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, ok, let's see if we can get Ubuntu to install. boot the DVD please
[07:52] <Lost_x> ok
[07:53] <ObrienDave> lost, 5 min break please
[07:53] <Lost_x> ok
[07:53] <Lost_x> illjust intall ubunto here
[07:54] <Slappy> One quick question, I have a Virtual box virtual drive that I want to keep. how exactly do I transfer that off to a thumb drive or something so I dont lose it?
[07:54] <ikonia> Slappy: just copy it off
[07:55] <Slappy> Where do I find the virtual drive because virtualbox is not opening
[07:55] <Slappy> program files?
[07:56] <wuxl> what??
[07:56] <ikonia> Slappy: there is no such thing as "program files" in linux
[07:56] <Slappy> I mean the file system
[07:56] <ikonia> Slappy: it's on the file system yes
[07:56]  * cfhowlett has a bad feeling about this ...
[07:56] <ikonia> Slappy: just copy the image file off
[07:56]  * Sachiru agrees with cfhowlett
[07:57] <Slappy> well there is content on that virtual drive that I want to keep
[07:57] <Slappy> its browser links & such that I reference frequently
[07:57] <ikonia> Slappy: so move the image off
[07:58] <Slappy> I'm trying to remember which file to find it under
[07:59] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, you mean overwrite win7?
[07:59] <Slappy> found it
[07:59] <Slappy> ok hang on, getting my ubuntu boot disk
[08:00] <Slappy> I should be back in approx 10 to 20 minutes after it installs
[08:00] <ikonia> Slappy: once it installs - do nothing at all, just come back to this channel
[08:01] <FuzzyWhirlpool> I'm coming, guys!
[08:01] <RockyEx> Does the font SansSerif come built in with the Ubuntu distro?
[08:02] <cfhowlett> RockyEx not by defaullt
[08:02] <FuzzyWhirlpool> But there's an alternative for Sans-Serif family, such as Liberation Serif.
[08:03] <timmy-> FuzzyWhirlpool: welcome back, but your nick is toooooo long...lol
[08:03] <RockyEx> cfhowlett: How do I install it ?
[08:03] <Slappy> ok, well while I wait for my vm files to transfer to my thumb drive let me tell you what I typically do. I install the OS on an open partition after formatting it, & once it's installed, I type Sudo apt-get install unbuntu-restricted-drivers, then I install chromium, Epiphinay, Konqueror & rekonq & a few other browsers from the software center
[08:03] <cfhowlett> RockyEx sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted extras will grab that and the restricted codecs you probably don't have
[08:03] <FuzzyWhirlpool> Yeah, I guess my nick is long enough to create a whirlpool.
[08:03] <Slappy> then I install skype, steam & POL, then I sudo apt-get update
[08:04] <cfhowlett> rocky *ubuntu-restricted-extras*
[08:05] <RockyEx> cfhowlett: Is it ok to install this on a Ubuntu server verions?
[08:05] <Slappy> Now in order to return here, I have to install xchat because for some reason I cannot access this IRC through the website
[08:05] <cfhowlett> RockyEx "OK"?  sure. but wouldn't you be happier using the ubuntu font?  It's sans serif you know ...
[08:06] <Lost_x> obrienDave, intall ubuntu in another partition
[08:06] <ObrienDave> Slappy, xchat is included. you can install HexChat
[08:07] <timmy-> ObrienDave: what's the different?
[08:07] <Slappy> it wasnt when I installed ubuntu. I had to install it myself
[08:07] <cfhowlett> RockyEx also, #ubuntu-server is a thing ...
[08:07] <ikonia> Slappy isn't xchat or an IRC client installed by default
[08:07] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, ok, we're going to try "something else" if you don;t have the "alongside" option
[08:07] <RockyEx> cfhowlett: This font needed for one of my applications
[08:07] <cfhowlett> RockyEx ok then ...
[08:07] <Slappy> If it is, it must have fell off the wagon on the way
[08:07] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, does the OS version matters? my machine is 64bit and my ubunto iso is 32bit
[08:08] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, that is the problem. you need a 64bit install of Ubuntu LOL
[08:09] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, 32bit is difficult at best if not impossible to install under UEFI
[08:09] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, how come i successfully installed ubunto then the problem was i can not boot windows in grub?
[08:09] <ikonia> Slappy: worth checking with someone (anyone) in the channel if there is a default IRC client installed
[08:09] <ObrienDave> xchat is default in Ubuntu
[08:10] <ikonia> Slappy: xchat is installed by default
[08:10] <Slappy> ok well we will see if it shows up this time
[08:10] <ikonia> ObrienDave: just found it
[08:10] <ObrienDave> ikonia, so i c :))
[08:10] <Lost_x> ObrienDave, found some topic/article in the net that we need to repair the grub?\
[08:11] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, you really, really need a 64bit Ubuntu
[08:11] <nuggerducks> "we" >Implying you are one of the guys who fixes stuff
[08:11] <Lost_x> ok, downoloading the 64bit copy
[08:12] <ObrienDave> k
[08:12] <Lost_x> so my machine is aleready a UEFI?
[08:12] <ObrienDave> yes
[08:13] <Slappy> ok re-installing now
[08:13] <Lost_x> ah ok, this might be a recess for now... :)
[08:13] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, hoping the 64bit will pick up the "alongside" option
[08:13] <xangua> xchat ins not installed by defualt in Ubuntu ObrienDave ikonia
[08:13] <ObrienDave> Lost_x, not to worry, i have 72 hours before i have to go back to work LOL
[08:13] <]CkB[Hologram> hi im hologram im drunk
[08:14] <]CkB[Hologram> nice to meet you
[08:14] <cfhowlett> ]CkB[Hologram ask your ubuntu questions
[08:14] <ObrienDave> xangua, news to me
[08:14] <user39202> Are updates still being released for ubuntu 13.10 ??
[08:15] <ObrienDave> 13.10 just went EOL
[08:15] <]CkB[Hologram> nash
[08:15] <timmy-> I think the 32bit system will work correctly on 64bit machine
[08:15] <]CkB[Hologram> oops wrong chan
[08:15] <ObrienDave> Timmy, 32bit does not like to install on a 64bit UEFI mobo
[08:16] <ObrienDave> timmy-, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[08:17] <ObrienDave> timmy-, 32bit does not like to install on a 64bit UEFI mobo
[08:17] <Timmy> what??
[08:17] <Timmy> I'm not timmy-, I'm Tiiimmmmy!!!!!
[08:17] <ObrienDave> sorry, wrong timmy
[08:18] <user39202> ObrienDave:  OK.. So when ubuntu reaches EOL, updates are stopped also?
[08:18] <cfhowlett> user39202 end of life = END OF LIFE ... so yes
[08:18] <Ben64> EOL = End Of Life
[08:18] <ObrienDave> security updates, yes
[08:18] <Ben64> all updates, repos are turned off i'm pretty sure
[08:18] <user39202> cfhowlett:  That's good news because I don't want any more updates especially kernel updates messing up my wifi driver :- )
[08:18] <Ben64> user39202: that is NOT good news.
[08:19] <james_> hi
[08:19] <ObrienDave> user39202, 9 month life cycle now
[08:19] <cfhowlett> user39202 you can opt out of kernel updates - but running an unsecured system is asking for trouble
[08:19] <timmy-> lol
[08:19] <jamesbrown> hi guys i am using ubuntu 13.10. I want to my all the folders, sub-folders, files in the test folder read, write and executable http://pastebin.com/QysecEbn
[08:19] <jamesbrown> I tried sudo chown -R james:james /test but that didnt seem to make all of them read, write and executable
[08:19]  * ObrienDave is sticking to LTS only
[08:20] <Ben64> jamesbrown: you should really update to 14.04
[08:20] <timmy-> Timmy:hi Brother
[08:20] <timmy-> lol
[08:20]  * cfhowlett has been LTS only since 10.04
[08:20] <Timmy> timmy-: hey my other nickname
[08:20] <jamesbrown> Ben64 i will later but now is not the time
[08:21] <Ben64> jamesbrown: now is the perfect time, it just went EOL
[08:21] <cfhowlett> jamesbrown time to upgrade, amigo
[08:21] <ObrienDave> jamesbrown, 14.04.1 is due out in a few days
[08:21] <jamesbrown> Ben64 right now I am VPN to my machine i just wanna test this project and then make it live
[08:22] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave 14.04.1 is available now for direct DL
[08:22] <user39202> ObrienDave/cfhowlett: Thanks.  I did my final "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" the other day and I'm happy to leave it that way with the current kernel version.
[08:22] <FuzzyWhirlpool> I think you should issue `chmod -R 777 /test` as james user.
[08:23] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, really? where?
[08:23] <xangua> user39202: you are happy to use an unsupported, with no secutiry updates operating system¿
[08:23] <FuzzyWhirlpool> Yeah, it's already out if you update. `lsb_release -a` shows 14.04.1
[08:24] <ObrienDave> dang, i do dist-upgrade always. have not seen the .1
[08:24] <timmy-> Timmy: OK, I am from the other place like parallel universe
[08:24] <FuzzyWhirlpool> Yeah, don't forget to update before dist-upgrade
[08:25] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/trusty/dvd/current/trusty-dvd-amd64.iso
[08:25] <jamesbrown> FuzzyWhirlpool no sudo?
[08:25] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave scratch that ---
[08:25] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-fast update && sudo apt-fast dist-upgrade
[08:25] <FuzzyWhirlpool> No need for sudo, because the /test folder is owned by james. Right?
[08:25] <ObrienDave> don't mind the apt-fast, i'm on DSL
[08:27] <ntz> hello
[08:27] <ntz> giving support to someone with ubuntu and I don't have (use) ubuntu ...
[08:27] <ObrienDave> ntz, greetings and welcome
[08:27] <vaktor> hi all
[08:28] <jamesbrown> that doesn't seem to work. it hasnt change the permission for my my js, css and image folder
[08:28] <ObrienDave> ntz, better to have them join and ask here
[08:28] <ntz> can anybody check for me, if when something (presumably aptitude or apt-get) have created /var/lib/dpkg/lock if this file is visible in lsof ? eg that the process keep the lock file open()end ? you can do it via: lsof | grep dpkg/lock
[08:29] <ntz> thanks much
[08:29] <FuzzyWhirlpool> Do you think apt-fast here `https://github.com/ilikenwf/apt-fast` is still maintained?
[08:29] <Ben64> ntz: you're not on ubuntu?
[08:29] <ntz> no, just giving to someone a support
[08:29] <cfhowlett> !aptlock|ntz
[08:29] <ObrienDave> FuzzyWhirlpool, i use it
[08:30] <FuzzyWhirlpool> Yeah, it's somewhat faster and resumable.
[08:31] <ntz> cfhowlett: thanks, that was not my question, I need to verify, if package management apps keep /var/lib/dpkg/lock open()ed so it is listed in lsof (or pfiles) .. if the app close the file descriptor after creatingt this file it won't be listed there
[08:31] <loa> how i can change name of interface in ubuntu 14.04?
[08:31] <ObrienDave> FuzzyWhirlpool, i use https://launchpad.net/~apt-fast/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[08:31] <ntz> loa: etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[08:31] <loa> i read that there must be udev rules for persistent naming, but i don't found them
[08:32] <cfhowlett> !details | loa ???
[08:32] <loa> ntz, but there no such file.
[08:32] <loa> ntz, honestly there no any files.
[08:32] <ntz> loa: can you pastebin: find /etc/udev -type f
[08:33] <loa> ntz, ah on my desktop i see that file.
[08:33] <loa> but not on server.
[08:33] <ntz> what release is on server ?
[08:33] <loa> ntz, 14.04
[08:33] <bekks> loa: which file?
[08:33] <ntz> loa: yes, because they are now systemd managed
[08:34] <ntz> loa: try asking in systemd .. or probably try creating that file (based on the file from your desktop) - just change mac addresses
[08:34] <loa> ntz, i am thinking about this.
[08:34] <loa> messing interfaces names like p2p1 is hard for me, i am not r2d2.
[08:34] <loa> messing with *
[08:45] <Edward_Snowden> hello guys
[08:46] <agent_white> Helllo...
[08:47] <agent_white> Edward_Snowden: It seems as though your "NSA-WE-ARE-NOT-MONITORING-YOU" package does not seem to be installed.
[08:48] <cfhowlett> !ot | agent_white
[08:48] <agent_white> May I be of assistance? Your longitude/latitude would be helpful in addressing this issue.
[08:48] <nszceta> 0,0
[08:49] <nszceta> off the coast of africa
[08:49] <agent_white> cfhowlett: Hey now. It's been 14 minutes since a single line of text has been here. I can crack a joke.
[08:49] <agent_white> Calm your tits.
[08:49] <cfhowlett> agent_white read the guidelines.  family friendly channel
[08:50] <agent_white> cfhowlett: I fully understand that.
[08:50] <brontosaurusrex> tits are family friendly
[08:50] <agent_white> s/Calm your tits./Calm your JETS./
[08:50] <agent_white> This  is also a non-troll friendly channel, so don't troll.
[08:50] <ikonia> no-one is trolling
[08:51] <ikonia> you're just being asked to clam down your comments and try to stick to ubuntu support discussion please.
[08:51] <ikonia> clam
[08:51] <ikonia> calm
[08:51] <agent_white> ikonia: Again, this is called a "joke" in english.
[08:51] <ikonia> agent_white: great, and you're being asked to keep it out of the channel "please"
[08:51] <agent_white> I am giving cfhowlett a "hard time" for his behaviour.
[08:51] <agent_white> ikonia: Calm your jets.
[08:51] <ikonia> agent_white: his behaviour is fine - so please stop
[08:51] <ObrienDave> agent_white, no one is joking
[08:51] <patrick-> why is efnet dead?
[08:51] <ikonia> patrick-: ask efnet
[08:52] <cfhowlett> agent_white not interested.  take it to off-topic or play elsewhere.
[08:52] <patrick-> ok
[08:54] <Junka> hi
[08:54] <Junka> when i open a video with totem that i dont support a get a pop-up to install the proper codec. What's tha package name of this?
[08:55] <Junka> not of the codec
[08:55] <Junka> but the app that helps me install the proper codec
[08:56] <ochosi> Junka: that's a dialog that is part of Parole, but that uses a gstreamer script to  install codecs
[08:56] <ochosi> Junka: (in reply to your question in #xubuntu)
[08:57] <Junka> ochosi, yeah but it come to totem too
[08:57] <Junka> goes with totem*
[08:58] <ochosi> Junka: yeah, we made it look similar to the one in totem, it's not an independent thing though
[08:58] <Junka> ochosi, i see thanks
[08:59] <ochosi> anyway, what is the question behind that question?
[08:59] <Junka> i was interested in installing only codecs i need rather a the whole package
[09:00] <ochosi> well usually the codecs are part of bigger codec/plugin packages
[09:00] <ochosi> and anyway, the current implementation is a bit clumsy
[09:01] <Junka> ochosi, thanks
[09:01] <bet0x> !help
[09:08] <clabgin> Hello there, I am trying to extract a file but it says , "tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors". I tried almost everything of what I could but getting it everytime.
[09:09] <DarkSector> How can I set up a wireless ad hoc network if my machine doesn't join an existing network whose config is already in the interfaces file?
[09:09] <Fuchs> clabgin: what does  `file` think about the file? Is it compressed? Are you passing the right options to tar?
[09:09] <DarkSector> I mean how do I switch over, how do I check whether it has been assigned an IP and stuff?
[09:09] <Adam-Ubuntu> Hey
[09:10] <clabgin> Fuchs: git_think.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Wed Jul 23 06:04:30 2014
[09:10] <Adam-Ubuntu> I'm sitting on a dell xps 420 and i'm trying to get my bluetooth to work, but all i can find is windows drivers, anyone got any idea?
[09:10] <Fuchs> clabgin: right, so gzip compressed tar file.  How exactly are you trying to extract it?
[09:11] <Fuchs> clabgin: tar -xf     should technically auto-detect the compression and do that for you,
[09:11] <Fuchs> clabgin: else try  tar -xzf git_think.tar.gz
[09:11] <clabgin> Fuchs: first I tried tar -xvzf file, then I tried "tar -xzf file"
[09:11] <Fuchs> if that doesn't work: make sure the file isn't compromised / broken  (e.g. due to a faulty download. See if there is an md5 sum or something you could use to check)
[09:12] <Fuchs> clabgin: try -xf,  recent versions of tar should, in theory, auto-detect the compression
[09:12] <Fuchs> clabgin: if that doesn't work, chances are that the file is a bit broken  (if other .tar.gz files work fine)
[09:13] <clabgin> Fuchs: tried -xf, it is giving no  response from long time, I have not stopped, it seems like doing something in background, but as it has been enough time I doubt it
[09:13] <Fuchs> clabgin: add the file after f :p
[09:13] <Fuchs> clabgin: tar -xf git_think.tar.gz
[09:13] <clabgin> Fuchs: yes I added tar -xf file
[09:13] <Fuchs> clabgin: if that does something: see if extracted files appear
[09:14] <Fuchs> if yes: good. If not: it might really be broken  (the file). If you downloaded it: try re-downloading / check the md5sum or similar if available
[09:15] <clabgin> Fuchs: before this .tar file , I ran this command on .txt file by mistake after it exited with same status, after that is same for .tar file too :(
[09:15] <blaaa> exit
[09:15] <Fuchs> clabgin: is that a public available file? If so: where from?  I can see if it works here.
[09:16] <clabgin> Fuchs: no thanks , I am using with public key of my laptop :(
[09:16] <svetlana> http://dpaste.com/3V752Z3 — where do I head from there? I'm running xdm.
[09:16] <clabgin> I am accessing *
[09:17] <Kamuela> If I have a laptop that uses windows 8.1 and some really hardcore EFI that doesn't give me access to BIOS settings without windows, is there a way to make that BIOS behave more normally e.g. able to be accessed at boot time rather than through windows?
[09:18] <Fuchs> clabgin: hm, then I can just advise to make sure the file is not somehow broken
[09:18] <bipul> Hello, I am trying to install Ubuntu from my 2.5 SATA EXTERNAL CASE , But I am unable to install it. When I am able to boot from BIOS , it take to me in grub rescue mode
[09:18] <Fuchs> svetlana: xdm quite probably doesn't support consolekit / logind, so that might be the issue
[09:18] <clabgin> Fuchs: nothing was happening , I killed process and now any of -xvzf, -xzf, -xz are not working
[09:18] <svetlana> Fuchs, what does it support instead? nothing, i.e. no means to lock screen with it? or something?
[09:19] <clabgin> :O
[09:19] <Fuchs> svetlana: you could use something like xlock or xscreensaver-command lock  I guess  (if your goal is to lock the screen)
[09:19] <Fuchs> svetlana: else I'd need to know what exactly you are trying to achieve
[09:20] <svetlana> Fuchs, what is xlock and how  do I install it? I tried xscreensaver before but it wasnt smart enough (if i switch user and then switch back, i have to enter the password twice -- in a dm and in screensaver). you got the goal right.
[09:20] <Fuchs> oh, switching users is a bit more difficult
[09:21] <Fuchs> svetlana: is there a reason you can't use lightdm instead of xdm?
[09:21] <Fuchs> that would probably be way less painful
[09:21] <svetlana> Fuchs, I'm trying to understand the architecture of the other tools.
[09:21] <Fuchs> xlock would be a very very very simple screen locker, but if you also want to switch users: yeah, you'll have to do things twice
[09:22] <Fuchs> svetlana: most of these work with either consolekit or logind (not sure which one ubuntu currently uses), which makes things like switching users a lot easier. They allow you to switch from (and back to) an already running session
[09:23] <Fuchs> svetlana: for that your display manager has to support it as well, which is why I think lightdm would be a lot less painful
[09:23] <jamesbrown> i ran this command chown james -R project86; chmod u+rwX -R project86
[09:23] <jamesbrown> and this happened
[09:23] <jamesbrown> http://pastebin.com/gUbJbUWU
[09:24] <jhpy1024> Hey guys! Does anyone know how I can permanently hide the menubar in gnome-terminal?
[09:24] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: careful with the -R switch, just in general.  What probably happened is that the user your httpd runs under (either apache or httpd) now lost access to that file/folder
[09:25] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: you should not modify the access rights of files / folders delivered by your httpd (apache, I assume).  Edit them in a different place them move them to where they are supposed to be, or add yourself to the group that owns them  (again: probably either httpd or apache)
[09:25] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: probably fixable by using chown  (recursive, again) with the correct user
[09:26] <Guest56035> hey guys, yesterday I tried ubuntu for the very first time but I had an issue. May I just fire my question right out here?
[09:26] <jhpy1024> Guest56035: Sure thing
[09:27] <bcvery> jhpy1024, this extension: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/545/hide-top-bar/ ?
[09:29] <Guest56035> I installed Ubuntu 14 using wubi in Windows 7 on my Toshiba U500 Satellite notebook. When I boot ubuntu, I experience some annoying graphical erros (flickering horizontal white lines whenever I move the pointer or a window)
[09:29] <Fuchs> oh, actually it's www-data  in ubuntu, not apache/httpd. Silly. Sorry :)
[09:30] <Guest56035> My GPU is a Radeon Mobility HD4000 series: Are there known problems with that card and the radeon driver?
[09:31] <ObrienDave> Guest56035, that is usually not an Ubuntu issue due to using Wubi to run Ubuntu. We wish Wubi would die a slow, painful death
[09:33] <Guest56035> Ok but I'm a bit afraid to switch from windows to ubuntu right away with no chance of returning back, that's why I tried wubi first. Is there a better way to run windows and ubuntu on the same machine?
[09:34] <Fuchs> Guest56035: dual boot
[09:34] <ObrienDave> most of us, me included, use the dual boot method of running both Windows and Ubuntu
[09:34] <Fuchs> Guest56035: then you can choose, on boot up, which one to start (and you can set a default as well, which will be booted if you don't hit a button within n seconds)
[09:35] <jamesbrown> hello guys
[09:35] <ObrienDave> Guest56035, but if you don't want to chance borking Windows, you can always install Ubuntu to a USB drive with persistance as a stand-alone system
[09:35] <krejsi> Hi, when I try to boot my Ubuntu after installation on my  dell server with RAID 10  I get "error: attempt to read or wrrite outside of disk 'hd0' ."
[09:35] <jamesbrown> why am i getting this error in the error log http://pastebin.com/gUbJbUWU
[09:35] <jamesbrown> when i did
[09:36] <jamesbrown> i ran this command chown james -R project86; chmod u+rwX -R project86
[09:36] <Guest56035> Ok. I guess I would have to format my whole drive first, then create at least 2 partitions and just seperately install ubuntu and windows on one partition each?
[09:37] <ObrienDave> Guest56035, no, you can use the Ubuntu installer to install alongside windows without reinstalling windows
[09:38] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: hi, yes, as I told you: you probably took the httpd (apache) user the rights on that file away
[09:38] <pdelaneau> or if you want to keep your windows safe; try a virtual machine
[09:38] <pdelaneau> no format
[09:38] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: you should not modify the access rights of files that are delivered by your httpd, add yourself to the right group instead if your really need to modify them in place (you don't)
[09:38] <ObrienDave> pdelaneau, they used Wubi for Ubuntu
[09:38] <pdelaneau> you don't need to
[09:38] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: just executing chown with the right user  (www-data, I assume) should fix that
[09:39] <Guest56035> But can I just install ubuntu alongside windows when I only have 2 partitions c:windows and d:data ?
[09:39] <jamesbrown> Fuchs dont want www-data it needs to be james like all my other folders
[09:39] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: no it doesn't
[09:39] <Ben64> Guest56035: probably. the installer will show you the options
[09:39] <bipul> I am trying to boot a system from my External sata, as it contain a linux file inside it. But when i am doing this i found i am inside a grub rescue mode.
[09:39] <ObrienDave> Guest56035, Ubuntu will add more partitions as needed
[09:39] <Sevet> Guest56035: you can shrink one, create a new one in the newly freed space, and install there
[09:39] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: these are files that are delivered by your httpd (apache, I assume), they shall not belong to your regular user
[09:40] <mjayk> Guest56035: as long as you have enough space the ubuntu installer will resize the windows partition such that you wont lose anything
[09:40] <Sevet> Guest56035: the installer has a guided install to help you do that
[09:40] <Sevet> s/install/option/
[09:40] <Guest56035> Oh ok so the installer will take care of that
[09:40] <ObrienDave> yes
[09:40] <Guest56035> I'm going to try that out
[09:40] <Ben64> jamesbrown: you should do more reading on what apache needs to operate, and permissions in general. also, if you'd like to continue using this channel for support you'll have to follow the rules and upgrade to a supported version of ubuntu (14.04)
[09:40] <Guest56035> Thank you for your help guys
[09:41] <ObrienDave> Guest56035, is it a UEFI system?
[09:41] <Guest56035> Sorry, UEFI?
[09:41] <jamesbrown> Ben64 i know it to do with permissions
[09:41] <ObrienDave> Guest56035, how new is it?
[09:41] <Ben64> jamesbrown: not if you're trying to set stuff to 777. upgrade to 14.04 and come back with any issues you come across
[09:42] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: then why don't you fix it?  If you really want to edit the files as james  (which, again, is a bad idea) add james to the needed group. Do not give these files to james.
[09:42] <ObrienDave> !uefi | Guest56035
[09:42] <Guest56035> My laptop is from 2010; I downloaded the latest version of Ubuntu yesterday
[09:42] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: if that apache is reachable to the public  (internet), I recommend you really read about permissions and keep them as recommended, else you are very likely to make your httpd attackable and compromisable. And you don't want that.
[09:43] <ObrienDave> Guest56035 probably not UEFI then
[09:44] <Guest56035> I don't think it is
[09:44] <Guest56035> Too old
[09:44] <jamesbrown> Fuchs i am using localhost. i will move the project to a live server when i am done
[09:44] <ObrienDave> i'm too old ;P
[09:44] <schnitzl--> is there a known way to change the default behaviour of grep? i dont always want to add the -i flag (caseINsensitive), i want that flag as default.
[09:44] <jamesbrown> but right now its on my pc running xampp
[09:45] <Guest56035> So I will just burn the ubuntu.iso on a CD, adjust boot priority and let the installer do the rest for me
[09:45] <Fuchs> jamesbrown: then you either (bad idea) have to modify the access of the files so apache can still work with them or (still bad, but at least not as) add james to the needed group to modify them, and hand them back to www-data