[01:01] <ahoneybun> never going to give you up
[02:50] <rohan> i see something weird: after resume from suspend ,my computer is frozen for quite a few seconds.. however it seems to accept input, i.e. i can enter my password and hit return to login
[02:50] <rohan> is there any way i can debug the issue?
[05:12] <ScottK> valorie: Is anyone updating the screen shots like Riddell asked?
[05:17] <valorie> hmmm, not that I know of
[05:17] <valorie> however, my test boxes are done updating
[05:17] <valorie> therefore I should be able to do it
[05:18] <valorie> I guess I should report my upgrade tests on the test site too, while I'm at it
[05:23] <ScottK> We have a pass result for all the upgrade cases, so unless you have problems you needed to report, the screen shots are more important.
[05:25] <razor_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1240807
[05:25] <razor_> ^^^^^ Getting broken relative HTML links in current kubuntu-docs package.
[05:25] <razor_> Something broken in conversion there?
[05:32] <valorie> cool, reporting is a pain, screenshots are easy
[06:09] <valorie> bleah, I feel like an idiot, but I can't seem to figure out to how to upload my new screenie to the wiki
[06:10] <valorie> they talk about an "attachment" link but I find no such link anywhere
[06:10] <valorie> oh good lord, now I find it
[06:13] <ScottK> Upgrade instructions fixed up.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[06:13] <ScottK> If someone hasn't upgraded yet, should use some raring screenshots for the first part of htat.
[06:22] <valorie> oh, my god, I'd forgotten how much I hate moin moin, and like KDE's wiki
[06:22] <valorie> grrr
[06:23] <ScottK> BTW, I don't seem to have a working password to the web site.
[06:32] <valorie> geez, finally have uploaded screenshot and lil screenie to the wiki
[06:32] <valorie> ScottK: this laptop isn't upgraded yet
[06:33] <valorie> if you think that is important, I can do new screenies for the upgrade page as well, but I have no access to the website
[06:34] <valorie> I honestly think no one will notice the older wallpaper though
[06:41] <lordievader> razor_: Are you using your browser to open the docs, im talking about bug 1240807.
[06:41] <lordievader> Good morning btw.
[06:45] <ScottK> valorie: If you put <IP_ADDRESS> changelogs.ubuntu.com in /etc/hosts, you can test the automatic upgrade notification (and take screen shots if you want).
[06:45] <ScottK> Now I must sleep.
[06:46] <valorie> thanks for all your work, ScottK
[06:53] <razor_> lordievader: Yep. In browser. As they are HTML I assumed they should work equally well in that compared to KDE help centre, but perhaps not the intended case then?
[06:59] <lordievader> razor_: Well the way they work, the links refer to the root of the site, on your pc that is /, ofcourse, the khelpcenter modifies this to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ I'm starting to wonder if the other docs work this way.
[07:04] <lordievader> Hmm nevermind, the others seem to be docbook only.
[07:05] <razor_> Don't know about ubuntu specific docs on that one, but I'm reasonably used to pasting the local path for HTML docs on a lot of software in a browser to view and it works OK.
[07:06] <razor_> If that is not wished for kubuntu docs then no big deal, as long as expected behaviour is not broken.
[07:06] <lordievader> razor_: Ok, I see. Would be interesting for 14.04, I'll see if I can get it working by then ;)
[07:06] <lordievader> razor_: Well as long as it works in the khelpcenter I'd say it is working ;)
[07:06] <razor_> Fair enough.
[07:07] <lordievader> But I do agree it would be nice if it works outside of the khelpcenter too.
[07:07] <valorie> razor_: we only recently started working on the docs again, so they are not as good as they need to be yet, for sure
[07:07] <valorie> sorry to hear that they aren't working as expected
[07:08] <razor_> Yes, I only looked as I noticed they had been recently revamped.
[07:09] <valorie> the old ones were a bit too moldy to continue to send out
[08:03] <valorie> testing the auto-upgrade notification, which involves restarting, so signing out for now
[08:07] <Riddell> morning
[08:07] <Riddell> valorie: auto-upgrade notification?
[08:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the plan du jour?
[08:09]  * Riddell high fives ScottK for doing the SaucyUpgrades page
[08:09] <jussi> Riddell: HAI!
[08:10] <Riddell> anyone doing Install (auto-resize) ?
[08:14] <Riddell> ScottK: is there still a crash on upgrade in network manager?
[08:15]  * Riddell browses http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1ned6x/what_to_expect_for_kubuntu_1310/
[08:15] <Riddell> I wonder if its worth mentioning in the release notes that we're using X with plans to use Wayland, stop people worrying
[08:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: include link to jussi's shop in the release announcement too?
[08:38] <Riddell> agateau: hmm i think I found a (fairly minor) issue, if the wireless step is skipped due to wired connection then if you click back from partitioning it complains and just goes to partitioning again
[08:43] <agateau> Riddell: :/
[08:43] <agateau> Riddell: what does it say?
[08:45] <Riddell> agateau: it moans about loading modules, presumably because it goes back to the wireless step then straight onto the partitioning step again, it should go back to the previous step
[08:45] <agateau> Riddell: ok, let's see if I can reproduce it
[08:53] <Riddell> hi smartboyhw
[08:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hello:)
[08:57] <Riddell> anything exciting happening today?
[08:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes, the release.
[08:58]  * Riddell high fives valorie for testing upgrade
[08:58] <smartboyhw> I guess we are soon ready, just waiting for your final test on auto-resize on amd64
[08:59] <Riddell> just booting that up
[09:26] <Riddell> cor plasma active does actually start on the kubuntu active image
[09:37]  * Riddell starts on kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[09:38] <Riddell> hi vassie, can you feel the excitement in the air?
[09:39] <vassie> Hello Riddell :) I sure can
[09:40] <vassie> Been running Saucy for a few weeks now, the minor issues I found have all been fixed :)
[09:44] <Riddell> awooga
[09:45] <vassie> My Saturday just became free, so I know what's I'll be up to
[09:45] <vassie> Laptop and desktop already backed up
[09:47] <shadeslayer> hola
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Hola shadeslayer
[09:47] <shadeslayer> ssup, everything going good?
[09:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure
[09:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, quite:)
[09:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you have to swear allegance to juan carlos and hide all your catalan flags?
[09:50] <Riddell> meh converting the release announce from wiki to html always takes ages, we do too much new stuff!
[09:50] <smartboyhw> lol
[09:51] <shadeslayer> hehe
[09:51]  * shadeslayer is a proper EU citizen, got my residence card today :D
[09:52] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, congratulations!
[09:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: welcome to the continent :)
[09:54] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[09:55]  * yofel still needs to get used to shadeslayer being in the same timezone as him
[09:55] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[09:55] <yofel> welcome in any case :)
[10:13] <Riddell> how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[10:25] <Riddell> ahoneybun: able to do some proofreading? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[10:25]  * Riddell updates http://www.kubuntu.org/content/homepage
[10:31] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I just woke up a few mins ago lol, I'll look at it
[10:38] <Riddell> hmm this page really could do with some improvement https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[10:38] <Riddell> I'd like to replace that with a simple kubuntu page
[10:40] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu 9.10 image wow
[10:40] <smartboyhw> :O
[10:40] <smartboyhw> That's terrifying;P
[10:41] <ahoneybun> brb
[10:42] <Riddell> I guess that can be fixed when our docs Install page gets done
[10:49] <ahoneybun> back
[10:50] <ahoneybun> or it can be merged into it
[10:50] <Riddell> nah, needs rewritten, that document is crap and incomplete
[10:50] <ahoneybun> yea
[10:52] <ahoneybun> how do I get into that admin page?
[10:52] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, you don't have access? (/me has the ACL here if you want)
[10:53] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: I don't think so
[10:53] <ahoneybun> ?
[10:54] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, OK, Riddell can you approve me to give ahoneybun ACL?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:00] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: morning
[11:01] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun
[11:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ACL?
[11:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah give him the password
[11:04] <ahoneybun> hey BluesKaj
[11:07] <cortexA9> hello
[11:08] <cortexA9> is released ? :P
[11:08] <Riddell> nope, still waiting on you to proofread the announce :)
[11:08] <cortexA9> loool
[11:08] <cortexA9> :P
[11:09] <smartboyhw> heh heh
[11:10] <cortexA9> 16.1 = final ?
[11:11] <cortexA9> :P
[11:11] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, might be, might not be
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Any ISO images you find are not guaranteed to be final until announced by the release manager
[11:11] <smartboyhw> (from #ubuntu-release-party topic)
[11:11] <cortexA9> ok
[11:14] <soee> whos release manager ?
[11:15] <smartboyhw> soee, if we tell anybody then everybody will be ushering him to get it out a.s.a.p, so I don't think it should be told:P
[11:15] <soee> oh you.. :)
[11:15] <cortexA9> lol
[11:18] <smartboyhw> soee, not me
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Somebody from the Ubuntu Release Team
[11:19] <cortexA9> oh it's out :P
[11:19] <cortexA9> eheh
[11:20] <cortexA9> need to test it :P
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Not 'out' officially:)
[11:23] <cortexA9> :P
[11:23] <Riddell> it's not out at all, watch the announce list to know when it is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[11:23] <cortexA9> oh ok sorry
[11:46] <cortexA9> Riddell: all ok.
[11:46] <cortexA9> :)
[11:46] <cortexA9> tested
[11:46] <cortexA9> smartboyhw: all ok.
[12:02] <Riddell> google plus is a confusing minefield to me, does that mean I'm getting older?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Can't be:P
[12:08] <Blizzz> Riddell: no, it's constructed that youre getting confused and thus caught there and never find your way out
[12:08] <jussi> Riddell: yes, it means you are an ancient luddite :P
[12:16] <Riddell> I wonder what t-series will be called
[12:17] <Riddell> jussi: uh oh your kubuntu polo shirts have competition! http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2013/10/byobu-t-shirts-are-here.html
[12:17] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:17] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, I noticed that
[12:17] <Riddell> now I like byobu but it just doesn't inspire enough fandom in me to want to buy a t-shirt
[12:18] <jussi> btw, I hate windows and its "forced updates when you shutdown" idea. EVIL!
[12:18] <jussi> Riddell: are you planning to buy a Kubuntu one?
[12:18] <Riddell> jussi: no sympathy here but we have this other nice operating system if you have a problem with windows :)
[12:18] <jussi> Riddell: that other nice operating system doesnt flash my phone
[12:19] <jussi> unfortunately
[12:19] <Riddell> yeah we removed hotbabe from the archives
[12:19] <Riddell> oh other sort of flash
[12:19] <jussi> hehe
[12:20] <Riddell> jussi: not sure I need another kubuntu polo shirt, I already have one, but I think we should get a bunch to munich to make sure everyone there gets one
[12:20] <Riddell> for some sensible definition of everyone
[12:20] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, have to order now if we need more on time...
[12:20] <jussi> mind, they go quicker now
[12:21] <jussi> Riddell: oh, and I had to take down the donations things, as money collection rules are evil here in .fi
[12:21] <Riddell> which donations thing?
[12:21] <jussi> thankfully no one had donated yet
[12:22] <jussi> Riddell: we had the possbility up for people to donate through that shop also.
[12:22] <jussi> I will put a link to the kubuntu donations page there
[12:23] <Riddell> thanks
[12:25] <Riddell> ScottK: ahoneybun: bug 1240951 for SRU
[12:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I've upgraded two systems recently.  One over the weekend (it crashed) and one yesterday (it didn't).  So my guess is it happens some of the time.  I doubt we fixed it since the weekend.
[12:43] <Riddell> ok we'll put it on the release notes
[12:43] <Riddell> I wonder if we should be worried that valorie hasn't reappeared
[12:43] <ScottK> It's very early in her TZ.
[12:44] <Riddell> she e-mailed at 01:54:53 her time, maybe she fell asleep while doing the upgrade
[12:44] <Riddell> I'll mark upgrades as ready
[12:51] <ScottK> Yeah.  I'm pretty sure they are.
[13:01] <Riddell> going out for a wee bit, if the release happens just publish https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 and change the banner for the one which is commented out at https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit
[13:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Got it.
[13:15] <shadeslayer> ack
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Hmm, sounds like it's released?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> I don't see a email
[13:21] <BluesKaj> not yet , https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:25] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: your sources are bad :P
[13:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, it's #ubuntu-release ACKed
[13:26] <smartboyhw> (By cjwatson:P)
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Look at #ubuntu-release-party
[13:27] <shadeslayer> someone forgot to send a email then
[13:27] <smartboyhw> The announcement is on hold because of the website
[13:28] <ScottK> kubuntu.org updated.
[13:28] <shadeslayer> awesome
[13:30] <cortexA9> nice.
[13:32] <soee> thers no announcement on g+ ?
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Who controls the Kubuntu G+ accounts?
[13:33] <ScottK> Wasn't it Darkwing?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> moi
[13:34] <shadeslayer> updating
[13:34] <jjesse> yay do-release-upgrade started :)
[13:34] <shadeslayer> well
[13:34] <shadeslayer> someone beat me to it
[13:46] <Riddell> ooh!
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes:P (Please update chan topics on #kubuntu and #k-offtopic)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Good job everybody on the 13.10 release:)
[13:48] <Riddell> awooga
[13:50] <Riddell> yep thanks for your help everyone
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, #kubuntu-offtopic?
[13:51] <smartboyhw> (There is also a not yet updated topic)
[13:52] <yofel> -offtopic is not +t btw ^^
[13:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Someone should send a mail too.  I didn't get to that.  Would you?
[13:53] <Riddell> ScottK: I sent a wee one to kubuntu-devel
[13:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh:P
[13:53] <ScottK> Great.  Kubuntu-users might appreciate knowing too.
[13:53] <Riddell> good point
[14:12] <shadeslayer> bah
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the about system dialog is missing text in the Processors field
[14:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah, known bug, it's something in solid not talking to something in udev
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Supposed to be SRUed
[14:13] <shadeslayer> no no in the release announcement screenshot
[14:13] <shadeslayer> Harald patched out about system to not display the processors when it couldn't find the ifno
[14:13] <shadeslayer> *info
[14:14] <Riddell> aah
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Oh
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Alex also says that it'd be nice to have another user in the user-manager screenshot
[14:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's a wiki, edit :)
[14:18] <shadeslayer> it is? I thought it was on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org
[14:19] <Riddell> oh good point
[14:19] <Riddell> although the images are on the wiki
[14:19] <Riddell> attachment on that website is broken
[14:19] <agateau> Riddell: I can reproduce the Ubiquity bug. I am going to fix it, but if I am not mistaken the fix won't land until 14.04, right?
[14:20] <cortexA9> Riddell: the bug of the sleep mode is still present in the 13.10 final ?
[14:21] <cortexA9> i didn't tried
[14:22] <Riddell> agateau: we can do an SRU and anyone who clicks the "upgrade the installer" option at the start will get it
[14:23] <Riddell> cortexA9: suspend works well for me
[14:23] <cortexA9> ok
[14:23] <agateau> Riddell: there is an "upgrade the installer" option?
[14:23] <cortexA9> because it freeze Riddell
[14:23] <cortexA9> when i turn back from sleep mode..
[14:24] <cortexA9> in the past..
[14:24] <ScottK> agateau: It happens when you check the apply updates button, IIRC.
[14:25] <Riddell> agateau: yeah although i guess if you've never seen it that suggests most other people haven't either
[14:26] <agateau> Riddell: I knew about the update check box, but didn't know it would restart the installer
[14:26] <agateau> ubiquity never cease to amaze me :)
[14:27] <lordievader> Good job everyone on Saucy Salamander :D
[14:27] <lordievader> Glad to see it released ^^
[14:33] <lordievader> Err, in the release notes "/news/kubuntu-13.10" the link to the Documentation is still in wiki syntax: [[http://docs.kubuntu.org|docs.kubuntu.org]]
[14:35] <shadeslayer> bah
[14:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you resize about-system-wee.png so that it shows up properly?
[14:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: just remove one of the size values if you don't know the aspect ratio
[14:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:40] <shadeslayer> "This content has been modified by another user, changes cannot be saved."
[14:41] <shadeslayer> fffffuuuuu
[14:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fixed
[14:41] <Riddell> lordievader: fixed
[14:41] <shadeslayer> thx
[14:42] <lordievader> Riddell: \o/
[14:42] <yofel> lolwhat, I set up kmail in kvm for an upgrade test. Now kmail in the VM and my real kmail session here don't agree on how many unread mails I have in my inbox - and I'm using IMAP...
[14:43] <smartboyhw> jussi, pinf
[14:43] <smartboyhw> *ping
[14:44] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do you know of packages that ship files in /usr/local
[15:02] <ScottK> Shouldn't be any.
[15:03] <shadeslayer> okay well, anything that moves files to /usr/local ?
[15:03] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ping, you around? I have some awesome ideas for fixing bug 1240807
[15:07] <jussi> smartboyhw: yes? (quick, IM not here long and contentless pings suck)
[15:07] <smartboyhw> jussi, go to #ubuntustudio and change topic s/13.04/13.10/
[15:07] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:07] <jussi> meh. later. busy
[15:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: /usr/local is for local things.  The packaging system shouldn't change it.  There's one exception to this (language specific), but I don't recall what it is.
[15:14] <shadeslayer> ack
[15:25] <lordievader> Yayy bug 1240807 can be considered fixed. Riddel can this fix be included with the SRU for the kubuntu-docs package?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> soee. do you recall the tutorial URL for fixing the optimus gpu driver issues ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> soee. nm , I found it
[15:28] <genii> Someone in #k is pointing out that http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download still only has Raring
[15:34] <BluesKaj> this one supposedly works , http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[15:35] <Riddell> genii: hmm good point
[15:40] <yuriy_> hi everyone!
[15:40] <yuriy_> congratulations on another release!
[15:40] <Riddell> thanks yuriy_ :)
[15:47] <Peace-> hello i did update and upgrade
[15:47] <Peace-> but ....
[15:47] <Peace-> /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[15:47] <Peace-> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:48] <Peace-> error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[15:48] <Peace->  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/networkmanager.png', which is also in package plasma-widget-networkmanagement <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1
[15:48] <Peace-> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[15:48] <Peace-> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:48] <Peace->  /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[15:48] <Peace-> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:48] <Peace-> Riddell: ^
[16:03] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Peace-: how did you do the upgrade?
[16:04] <Peace-> shadeslayer: from konsole
[16:04] <Peace-> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:04] <shadeslayer> Peace-: and you were running saucy before?
[16:04] <Peace-> shadeslayer: yep
[16:05] <Peace-> let me check if i did upgrade
[16:05] <Peace-> or dist-upgrade
[16:05] <shadeslayer> I can think of a reason why this would happen
[16:06] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i did upgrade
[16:07] <Peace-> shadeslayer: anyway it seems i have fixed i mean i removed plasma-widget and install reinstalled plasma-nm
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yep that's one way
[16:08] <Peace-> i have just reported that issue
[16:08] <shadeslayer> But I think apachelogger forgot to Break/Replace plasna-widget-networkmanager
[16:08] <Peace-> maybe it's because i have installed the beta that had old plasma network thing
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:08] <Peace-> ok :D
[16:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: halp
[16:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my dolphin speaketh German
[16:09] <Peace-> i go thank you shadeslayer
[16:09] <shadeslayer> I dropped the silly setlocale.sh from ~/.kde/env
[16:09] <shadeslayer> and it still speaketh German
[16:09] <shadeslayer> maybe it's trying to teach me something
[16:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p4f0a62b7
[16:14] <Riddell> how's this? kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[16:15] <Riddell> do we still want to link to wubi on kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> wubi is more support trouble than it's worth ,,wish ubuntu would dump it altogether for all OS versions
[16:17] <Riddell> what problems does it cause?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> is wubi even supported?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> IIRC it wasn't
[16:17] <Riddell> only for 12.04LTS
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ^^
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Don't put it then
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ppl think they actully hav an independent OS , rather than one that runs from a file in windows which cause internet connect problems , audio setup problems etc etc
[16:18] <Riddell> ok removed
[16:18] <Riddell> wow this page is worse than the burning image one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[16:19] <Riddell> if I was starting out that would put me right off
[16:19] <Riddell> ahoneybun: fancy adding that to your docs todo list? ↑
[16:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am not online on release day
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so you can avoid all the bugs that are caused because of you ? :D
[16:45] <apachelogger> I did not touch plasma-nm until like 2 weeks ago when I started patching it
[16:45] <apachelogger> did not ever touch it's packaging
[16:45] <apachelogger> but yeah, the idea is that I do not have to deal with bugs :P
[17:03] <Blizzz> yeah! with 13.10 i can do rectangular screenshots again without dying X :)
[17:21] <lordievader> Riddell: How is it going with the updated docs package (the one without the installation pages)? I read this will be a SRU? If so I have a fix which would be nice if it was included.
[17:24] <Riddell> lordievader: yes there's an SRU for that
[17:24] <Riddell> bug 1240951
[17:25] <lordievader> Riddell: True, but I have a fix for bug 1240807
[17:26] <Riddell> lordievader: groovy, throw it in
[17:26] <lordievader> Riddell: Ehh, where exactly? The way I made the package last time?
[17:28] <Riddell> lordievader: give me a patch for the tokhelp.py script
[17:29] <lordievader> Riddell: Actually, it is an added javascript and a modified header/footer.
[17:30] <Riddell> lordievader: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu2.1.tar.gz
[17:30] <Riddell> that's what I uploaded for SRU
[17:30] <Riddell> make your changes to that and I'll upload again
[17:31] <lordievader> Riddell: Simply extract, change, and compress?
[17:32] <Riddell> lordievader: yeah
[17:37] <lordievader> Riddell: Here you go: http://griffioen.no-ip.org/kubuntu-docs/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu2.1.tar.gz
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: broken link on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 for kubuntu docs
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> it's fixed
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> sorry
[17:42] <Riddell> lordievader: gosh javascript?
[17:42] <Riddell> lordievader: can't it be done by changing the files in tokhelp.py ?
[17:44] <lordievader> Riddell: I don't think so. Khelpcenter and a browser use different root-dirs. Actually I haven't tested how khelpcenter does absolute paths, but I won't be surprised if it prepends "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en"...
[17:46] <Riddell> lordievader: but why does a browser have anything to do with it?
[17:46] <Riddell> this package is for files to be read by Khelpcenter only
[17:47] <lordievader> Riddell: Someone came by this morning who did open them with a browser, so I thought why not.
[17:48] <Riddell> um, why did they open them in a browser?
[17:48] <lordievader> Good question.
[17:50] <razor_> ^^ didn't know they were accessible via the help centre.
[17:50] <razor_> long time since I had looked at them
[17:55] <Riddell> that would actually be quite hard to do, you'd need to find the path it's installed to
[17:57] <lordievader> Riddell: Isn't /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en default for Kubuntu?
[17:57] <ScottK> Riddell: No wubi please.
[18:03] <razor_> Not really hard to find where files are installed with some basic package management knowledge.
[18:04] <razor_> I'm used to using some older scientific/physics software as well where the made the documentation a pain to access
[18:05] <razor_> Modern linux is ironically too easy sometimes.
[18:08] <lordievader> In the case of them not being in the same standard dir, "document.URL" will tell you the requested url. From there you can extract what the dir is, I'd say.
[18:30] <Mamarok> Congratulations everyone :)
[18:31] <lordievader> Mamarok: You too :)
[18:34] <Mamarok> thanks, but I didn't do much
[18:35] <lordievader> No reason not to enjoy this release ;)
[18:41] <ScottK> Riddell: The lack of visual feedback when Muon update manager is updating the package list is really disturbing.
[19:32] <ahoneybun> Riddell: the page has been removed for now that was in the kubuntu-docs package I believe
[22:24] <ScottK> valorie: Don't forget to remove that entry from /etc/hosts now.
[22:36] <ahoneybun> ScottK: I know the page for membership but its a bit odd of a page
[22:36] <ScottK> ?
[22:37] <ahoneybun> I can't understand how to apply
[22:37] <ScottK> Ah.
[22:38] <ScottK> valorie: Can you help with ^^^?  I'm trying to catch up on $work right now after taking off more time than I planned yesterday and today for the release.
[22:39] <ahoneybun> ScottK: I want membership
[22:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: make a wiki page saying who you are, what you do for kubuntu and what you'll do in the future
[22:41] <Riddell> then organise a meeting of kubuntu council with doodle
[22:41] <Riddell> then we'll grill you and see if you're one of us
[22:42] <ahoneybun> grill me lol
[22:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AaronHoneycutt
[22:45] <apachelogger> mhh, release out... flameware on golem.de about dolphin vs. nautilus... apachelogger facepalms
[22:45] <Riddell> "Technicial Wring class " typo?
[22:46]  * apachelogger wrings some technology
[22:46] <ahoneybun> maybe
[22:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'm updating it a bit now
[22:50] <valorie> here, trying to read up
[22:50] <valorie> had a busy morning offline
[22:53] <apachelogger> valorie: morning was three quaters of a day ago :P
[22:53] <ahoneybun> valorie: hey
[22:53] <ahoneybun> Riddell: making the doodle now
[22:53] <valorie> 'twas, true
[22:53] <valorie> but my teeth are all nice and shiny-clean
[22:53] <valorie> etc.
[22:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should bring proper release notes back
[22:55] <valorie> timing couldn't be helped
[22:55] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ScottK valorie http://doodle.com/kg5ybsf3epbrvr9c
[22:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: did anyone read them?
[22:57] <ahoneybun> also sent it to the mailing list
[22:57] <Riddell> ahoneybun: send it to the e-mail list
[22:57]  * Riddell snoozes
[22:57] <apachelogger> nite
[22:58] <ahoneybun> nite
[22:58] <valorie> sweet dreams, Riddell
[22:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have read one german post that found it a bit sad that we don't provide a more comprehensive list of what changed
[22:58] <valorie> congratulations on an awesome release!
[22:58] <ahoneybun> yea!
[22:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: though I also didn't find the previous notes very useful and terrible to read to begin with
[23:00] <valorie> ahoneybun: done
[23:01] <ahoneybun> valorie: did the doodle I see
[23:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1235633 also reports the upower issue so I reckon it's a bit more wide spread
[23:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: also I find it suspicious that the oldest report seems to have been not 2 weeks ago
[23:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, btw, that is the plan for muon are we going to land a final via SRU or what?
[23:12] <valorie> pffff, i'm setting up my torrents, and now I get connection refused
[23:12] <valorie> lubuntu sure does have lotsa choices
[23:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: The short release notes are just due to shadeslayer being lazy.
[23:14] <apachelogger> in other news: earth apparently is not flat
[23:14] <apachelogger> a feature overview is nice, but IMO a bit limited WRT what actually changed and how that affects an educated user etc.
[23:15] <ScottK> He did ask for comments.  I improved it some.
[23:19] <apachelogger> maybe it's me, but there is something seriously wrong with the updater experience
[23:20] <ScottK> It's not just you.
[23:20] <apachelogger> got a notification for updates, opened, updater came up said there are no updates, notification and trayicon went away now I don't know what to do
[23:20] <apachelogger> and really, what happend with JT?
[23:20] <ScottK> $dayjob, I think.
[23:21] <apachelogger> I was rather under the impression that he dayjobbed at blue systems
[23:22] <apachelogger> or maybe I am imagining things now
[23:22] <apachelogger> in any case I am way too sober for release day
[23:22] <valorie> for me the updater looked pretty much as it has always looked
[23:23] <apachelogger> it's bugged
[23:24] <apachelogger> oh that machine is a bit old
[23:26] <ScottK> The absolute lack of feedback when you ask to check for updates is awful.
[23:26] <apachelogger> now it crashed
[23:26] <apachelogger> oh my
[23:27] <apachelogger> to be perfectly honest I believe that stuff should be in discover
[23:29] <apachelogger> muon-notifier/release-checker has serious problems
[23:29] <apachelogger> 4 forks running
[23:29] <apachelogger> and apparently all 4 of them do the same thing
[23:30] <apachelogger> and they are started whenever you start muonanything so whenever something muon starts your system performance goes on vacation and the intartubes get all cogged up
[23:31] <apachelogger> time.sleep
[23:31] <apachelogger> :O
[23:31] <apachelogger> who wrote that
[23:31] <apachelogger> :@
[23:31] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} and sweet dreams, apachelogger
[23:32] <apachelogger> valorie: are you going to bed? because I was pasting actual code :P
[23:33] <apachelogger> can someone else please open ksysguard and filter for muon ... then start muon-discover and see if 4 python3 applications show up in ksysguard
[23:34] <valorie> lolol
[23:35] <valorie> no, not sleeping the in the middle of the sunny afternoon, no
[23:35] <apachelogger> afternoon was half a day ago :P
[23:36] <valorie> yes, that's exactly what happens here
[23:36] <valorie> 3 pythorns
[23:36] <apachelogger> buuug
[23:36] <valorie> oh, now they're gone
[23:36] <apachelogger> yeah they basically just check if a new distro release is preset
[23:37] <valorie> lots of kio_http though
[23:37] <valorie> 8 of them
[23:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: I just filed KDE bug 326169.
[23:37] <apachelogger> valorie: yeah, dunno what those are yet, may be changelog queries though
[23:37] <apachelogger> anyway, there should be one pyth0rn
[23:38] <valorie> now there is none
[23:38] <apachelogger> so that's a buggy bug
[23:38] <apachelogger> and there should not be a pyth0rn right after startup
[23:38] <apachelogger> although I'd argue that there should be none until the user enters an updaete context (i.e. starts muon-updater OR goes to the muon-discover installed-software-tab)
[23:47] <apachelogger> something is wrong with apt-xapian as well
[23:47] <apachelogger> it appears to be lingering for a while now
[23:47] <apachelogger> we really need more python software in kubuntu
[23:48] <apachelogger> it's so incredibly reliable
[23:50] <valorie> plus, it would make you happier
[23:50] <apachelogger> yes, a lot
[23:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think I'm done for now: KDE Bug 326169, KDE Bug 326171, KDE Bug 326174
[23:52] <ScottK> I don't think the updater's problems have anything to do with what it's implemented in.
[23:53] <apachelogger> teh updater is not implemented in python
[23:53] <apachelogger> apt-xapian is
[23:53] <apachelogger> that being said, updater does not simply hang :P
[23:55] <ScottK> Right.  apt-xapian could stand being burned to the ground and re-implemented from scratch.
[23:58] <valorie> dinner; bbl
[23:59] <apachelogger> yeah, I dunno apt-xapian-update is definitely stuck on something
[23:59]  * apachelogger cries


[00:03] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman)
[01:54] <manchicken> Tonio: Howdy
[02:09] <manchicken> Anybody know when I need to have kubuntu-debug-installer changes done?
[02:09] <manchicken> I should probably know this.
[02:10] <manchicken> I'm doing a little bit more work to make sure I'm error handling and all of that fun stuff.
[02:11] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Did you see my minor patch on the dup prevention?
[02:11] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I'm kinda depending on that change in this, so let me know if you don't like it.
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: where'd the patch end up? I don't think I've seen it
[02:13] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: It's on my github
[02:13] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: https://github.com/manchicken/libqapt/commit/f534f1b8eec83b44af261ccd88a5975c782630e9
[02:13] <ScottK> manchicken: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule - feature freeze is the end of August.  So that's the deadline.  Sooner is better, of course.
[02:14] <manchicken> ScottK: Sweet. I figured it was just around the corner :)
[02:14] <ScottK> Having it in for Alpha 2 in two weeks would be nice, if you want some pressure.
[02:15] <manchicken> Never hurts
[02:15] <manchicken> heh
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: python-apt has a little sources library itself, and its add() function checks to see if a duplicate source entry is actually enabling a new component (e.g. multiverse), and then adds the component to the proper entry
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> I was wanting that behavior too, but was too lazy to code it when I wrote that method :P
[02:24] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Yeah, this is pretty basic, but I think it'll at least prevent duplicate sources.
[02:24] <manchicken> Exact duplicates anyway
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> right
[02:24] <manchicken> For the purposes of this program... that's kinda good enough :)
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> I can see a situation where addEntry could still produce duplicates, but this is better than nothing
[02:25] <manchicken> Yeah, and we could spend more time on it later.
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> I think I'll add the patch and update the comment as a reminder for a more sophisticated solution
[02:26] <manchicken> I just thought that dup prevention kinda belonged there.
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[02:27] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: There's not a function which gives me a QString from a QApt::ErrorCode, is there?
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: nope. If you'd like strings to copy/paste, I have some here: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/repository/revisions/master/entry/libmuonapt/MuonStrings.cpp
[02:29] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Backend::initErrorMessage kinda seems like the extent of it.
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> There really could be a use for a KDE QApt integration library
[02:31] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Yeah, like at least a decorator pattern or something.
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> some standard error strings, maybe a few simple transaction widgets
[02:32] <manchicken> Makes me pine for Obj-C categories.
[02:32] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: That sounds like a good thing to work on after this, provided Dear Leader doesn't have other priorities.
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> Dear Leader?
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> Oh, me?
[02:33] <manchicken> Riddell ;)
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> ah :)
[02:33] <manchicken> You're only Great Leader.
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> :P
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu really is a do-ocracy though. There's not really a benevolent dictator for life.
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> Back to technical stuff, I kinda wish you could use multiple inheritance with QObject-based base classes
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> you could make an interface virtual class, and then make a class based on QWidget + the QObject interface class
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> seems a bit cleaner to use multiple inheritance rather than writing a bunch of boilerplate for a decorator pattern, but I don't think the QObject system likes it when a QObject inherits two QObject-based classes
[02:41] <ScottK> So except for not working, it's better, right?
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> It's just a part of moc that could have been designed one way, but wasn't
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> sadly
[03:16] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I don't know, I think a decorator pattern  works pretty well. If this was Obj-C I'd just use categories.
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> Categories look interesting, and perfect for this usecase
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: I pushed the patch with a few stylistic changes, thanks for the patch.
[03:20] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: No problem, I'm just glad to contribute again :)
[03:37] <ahoneybun> valorie:
[03:37] <ahoneybun> hello all
[03:59] <manchicken> Death to the typos...
[04:53] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Well, the good news is that it's updating sources.
[04:53] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: The bad news is that I seem to be going blind :)
[04:54] <ScottK> We don't need to know about why.
[04:54] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: That said, I am making pretty good progress with the QApt::Transaction interaction with the cache updates.
[04:54] <manchicken> ScottK: Well, aren't we Catholic today? ;)
[04:55] <ScottK> No, but that doesn't mean I want to know everything.  Still such thing as TMI.
[04:55] <manchicken> ScottK: Mid-digital hair notwithstanding... my blindness seems to be resulting in hours wasted on chasing windmills.
[04:56] <manchicken> Anyway, it's midnight, and I'm sleepy. I'm going to go to bed. Hopefully my sight returns tomorrow.
[04:56] <ScottK> Good night.
[05:06] <Noskcaj> can someone review https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/saucy/plasma-widget-quickaccess/upstream-merge/+merge/174104
[05:07] <Noskcaj> It's missing a changelog edit, is that an issue?
[05:08] <ScottK> Yes.
[05:09] <Noskcaj> ok, fixing now
[05:11] <Noskcaj> there, pushed
[05:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Please fix up the SRU bug for owncloud to be about updating again and not removing (1079150)
[05:31] <ScottK> yofel: Bad news on kdenetwork.  Please check the rejection comment.
[05:33] <Noskcaj> I've updated tomahawk too, now i have to go and burn a bee's nest. https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/saucy/tomahawk/merge0.7.0
[05:35] <ScottK> yofel: kdeadmin too.
[05:36] <ScottK> yofel: I think both those were migrated to git/split for 4.11, so it's probably something wrong with the script that stitched it all back together.
[05:38] <ScottK> OK, except those two, 4.10.5 is all accepted.  I think I've done enough damage for one night, good night.
[07:03] <soee> good morning
[07:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: any idea what that robert s e-mail is on about?
[10:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you manage to get any recording equipment?
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:35] <yofel> ScottK: thanks for reviewing, I'll check what I can do about kdenetwork and kdeadmin (yeah, they're kinda stitched together)
[10:47] <yofel> brrrr
[10:47] <yofel> kuser has no license copies at all :S
[10:47] <yofel> (not even in master)
[10:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'll be talking to the recording people at Akademy es today
[10:57] <shadeslayer> we can get some for KDS atleast afaict
[10:58] <yofel> that would be fine for us I think
[11:00] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[11:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: when do you arrive?
[11:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: my plane arrives tomorrow around 2 (not sure which time zone though). I'll try to find you guys after I dump my stuff at boxto
[11:02] <shadeslayer> ack, we'll probably be at the Akademy ES venue
[11:04] <yofel> wait, spain is gmt+1 too, so yeah, make that 2
[11:05] <markey> is the merge window for Kubuntu 13.10 already closed?
[11:06] <yofel> nope
[11:06] <markey> cool :) I'm asking because it would be nice to get Amarok 2.8 in
[11:06] <yofel> markey: open till august 29th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[11:06] <markey> which should be ready in a few weeks
[11:06] <markey> great :)
[11:07] <markey> that's plenty of time, and even enough for a potential bugfix release
[11:08] <yofel> markey: actually, it's already in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.7.90-0ubuntu1
[11:08] <markey> right, but that's the beta
[11:09] <yofel> markey: if the beta is in, we can get bugfixes in till final freeze, so 2.8.X is no issue at all
[11:10] <markey> it feels good that we can provide a very stable, reliable and featureful Amarok to Kubuntu users again, even without updates
[11:10] <markey> after the last release was plagued by Qt bugs and whatnot
[11:11] <markey> this reminds me: Qt project is not responsive with bug reports at all
[11:12] <markey> we reported the QtWebkit crash issue with the Audio tag a few months ago. no response so far :(
[11:12] <markey> so we have to work around it. Rekonq for example still crashes due to this bug
[11:12] <yofel> :S
[11:14] <markey> Mamarok: what's the URL for the qt bug you reported?
[11:14] <markey> I'm gonna put some pressure on them
[11:29] <Mamarok> which Qt report? I filed several in the last few years, none was fixed AFAICT
[11:29] <Mamarok> the webkit one?
[11:30] <Mamarok> the webkit one is https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-31181
[11:38] <markey> thx
[12:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: I think he's alleging that amd64 Kubuntu 12.04.2 iso is actually a Xubuntu iso.
[12:17] <ryanakca> The sums in MD5SUMS are clearly different, so either he's pulling our leg, he burned the wrong image, or the xubuntu iso actually did get copied to kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso on the mirrors. Seeing that he's the first to say anything about it (and hopefully more than one person has tried downloading 12.04.2), I'm willing to bet it's the first option.
[12:18] <markey> never attribute to malice what could be stupidity :)
[12:30] <ryanakca> :)
[12:48] <yofel> ScottK: I tried to explain what happened to kdeadmin and kdentwork on the bug (and fixed some missing license copies upstream while at it......)
[12:48] <yofel> while the sources look totally different from before I'm reasonably sure that the binary packages are the same as before
[12:49] <ScottK> yofel: OK.  Thanks.
[12:51] <ScottK> yofel: Accepted kdeadmin.  I don't see kdenetwork though.
[12:51] <yofel> ScottK: thanks! I'll upload kdenetwork in a minute (doing a last testbuild to make sure I didn't mess something up just now)
[12:52] <ScottK> Great.
[13:10] <yofel> ScottK: kdenetwork up
[13:25] <ScottK> Accepted.  Thanks.
[16:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what's the status of bug 1195806>?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: your dongle is now being useful for vHanda :D
[18:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: lol, fine with me as long as we don't forget about it again :D
[18:10] <markey> is Amarok 2.8-beta available as backport for 13.04?
[18:29] <ScottK> 4.10.5 is fully built on all archs for raring-proposed.  Need testers.
[18:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The status is it's more invasive than would normally be allowed, so I need to ask for an extension of our KDE SC MRE to approve it.
[20:10] <xnox> what is the package name of kubuntu default icons theme?
[20:11] <yofel> !info oxygen-icon-theme saucy
[20:11] <yofel> xnox: ^
[20:11] <xnox> yofel: thanks.
[22:20] <yofel> apachelogger_: true, it seems like neon5 is missing parts of the environment settings, I'll try to fix
[22:20] <yofel> though I only get as far as
[22:20] <yofel> plasma-shell(22334)/default WallpaperInterface::syncWallpaperPackage: Error loading the wallpaper (file:///home/ubuntu/: File not found)
[22:23] <apachelogger_> yofel: try pulling in kde-workspace as well now
[22:23] <apachelogger_> that may help
[22:24] <yofel> I installed project-neon5-*
[22:33] <Riddell> apachelogger_: you booked travel yet?


[12:27] <cjwatson> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/complex-build-deps/+merge/265650
[12:28] <cjwatson> hopefully actually right this time
[12:58] <wgrant> cjwatson: Aha, will go through it tomorrow.
[13:02] <cjwatson> ta
[20:43] <blr> morning
[20:44] <rpadovani> blr, where do you live if I can ask? Every time you appear in this channel in the morning for me it's time to start to go to bed :D
[20:45] <blr> rpadovani: New Zealand, yourself?
[20:45] <rpadovani> blr, Italy :-)
[20:45] <blr> ah lovely! would very much like to visit one day
[20:47] <rpadovani> indeed it's a great place for turism - a bit less lovely to live in
[23:18] <mwhudson> wgrant: good morning
[23:18] <wgrant> mwhudson: Hi
[23:19] <mwhudson> wgrant: i'm wanting to do some test rebuilds in prep for go 1.5 and so would like a ppa devirted
[23:19] <wgrant> mwhudson: Sure
[23:19] <mwhudson> wgrant: just create the ppa and ping you?
[23:19] <wgrant> Yep
[23:21] <mwhudson> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/go1.5-rebuild-tests
[23:21] <wgrant> mwhudson: Which architectures?
[23:21] <mwhudson> wgrant: is 'all' a resonable answer?
[23:21] <wgrant> It is.
[23:22] <wgrant> It is done.
[23:22] <mwhudson> yay thanks
[23:22] <mwhudson> wgrant: do you know if there are scripts to help with this sort of thing?
[23:23] <mwhudson> my plan so far as it went was (a) upload a golang 1.5 snapshot package (b) grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends golang-go.tools  -sPackage /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources (c) no-change upload  of everything that (b) spat out
[23:23] <wgrant> mwhudson: Not that I know of, but depending on what you're doing you might be able to get away with uploading the new toolchain, waiting for it to build, then using an API script to copy the entire reverse dependency set in.
[23:24] <wgrant> Not much point in a no-change upload if you're using a sacrificial PPA just for testing.
[23:24] <wgrant> A copy is easier :)
[23:24] <mwhudson> ah true
[23:25] <mwhudson> and yes, that should work fine, enabling shared libraries will need a bit more cleverness to build in some kind of dependency-related order but i'm not poking that bear yet
[23:25] <mwhudson> wgrant: do you have a link to such an api script?
[23:29] <wgrant> mwhudson: lp.archives.getByReference('~mwhudson/ubuntu/go1.5-rebuild-tests').copyPackages(from_archive=lp.archives.getByReference('ubuntu'), from_series='wily', to_series='wily', to_pocket='Release', source_names=['blah', 'blah', 'blah'])
[23:30] <wgrant> mwhudson: Or use the copy-package script from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[23:30] <mwhudson> wgrant: thanks
[23:30] <mwhudson> wgrant: will it fall over if i pass like 100 source_names in one go?
[23:30] <mwhudson> oh yeah, i guess i need something wily to run the grep-dctrl in...
[23:31] <wgrant> It's fairly asynchronous, so it works with reasonably large batches.
[23:31] <mwhudson> cool
[23:31] <wgrant> I'm not sure if 100 will work, but it may well.
[23:32] <wgrant> Consider chdist for the grep-dctrl thing
[23:32] <mwhudson> oh nifty


[00:05] <gem_cat> I am running Ubuntu Studio 22.04 and I have a problem, I can't see where to click. Google search says to turn off features, I have turned off everything that has a switch to no avile. I am using a desktop here so powersaving is meaningless anyway. I have cataracts which dims everything to begin with. I loaded Ubuntu 10 on my laptop and it does not have this problem but then, I can't update it either. please help
[00:05] <sarnold> what do you mean with "can't see where to click"?
[00:06] <gem_cat> when the mouse cursor moves tword where i would clock everything under the cursor dims til i can not see it and just have to guess
[00:08] <sarnold> oh wow, I haven't heard of that one before :)
[00:08] <sarnold> Eickmeyer: any chance this is a feature? ^^
[00:09] <gem_cat> I have tried about 7 different monitors and the problem varies but is noticable
[00:10] <oerheks> on what hw/videocvard?
[00:10] <oerheks> -v
[00:10] <gem_cat> I think windows does this now and Ubuntu copied it to be cute
[00:13] <gem_cat> oerheks, I have tried this with 5 different computers and all do it
[00:13] <gem_cat> this computer has a mesa intel HD
[00:13] <gem_cat> 4600
[00:14] <gem_cat> I think this effect is also called bloom
[00:18] <sarnold> gem_cat: so, I've got a few guesses: (a) try changing mouse pointer theme, there's probably a tool to let you change that somewhere in the settings (b) if that doesn't work, try setting the mouse to *software* mouse cursor rather than *hardware* mouse cursor; this is a pain in the ass to actually do, but the general idea is described on
[00:18] <sarnold> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/21h663/question_can_i_set_my_cursor_to_be_a_software/
[00:21] <gem_cat> sarnold, I tried a variety of 'high contrast' themes. You may be right about the software mouse if somehow but I susp[ect it will cause problems with blender
[00:23] <sarnold> gem_cat: ooh! try disabling the high-contrast mouse themes! I could believe that would be the cause
[00:29] <gem_cat> sarnold, I dont think so I am just using a basic theme right now
[00:30] <sarnold> oh dang :( I liked that idea, better than mine, heh
[00:34] <gem_cat> sarnold, what does your ubuntu do, maybe it is just my bad eyesight.
[00:34] <sarnold> gem_cat: well, mine is very different from yours. I'm running i3 on 20.04 -- there's no dimming beneath the mouse pointer at all, i've never seen that before
[00:37] <gem_cat> by my recollection this began around version 20
[00:38] <gem_cat> my laptop was giving warnings the hardware would not be supported in the next release so running 10 on it will probably be all I can do
[00:39] <Tingo> kenzu: why did you chose voidlinux ? :)
[00:53] <gem_cat> good nite sarnold
[00:53] <sarnold> gn8 gem_cat, good luck
[00:59] <peirik> The onscreen keyboard seems to be fixed to the primary monitor. Is there any way to move it to other monitors? Preferably like a window I can move around freely.
[01:55] <bobdobbs> Hi. I'm running ubuntu 22.04. I'm running a dark theme. But some apps don't have the dark theme. afaict, this might be because they are using qt?
[01:56] <sarnold> there's probably dark themes for qt, too
[02:07] <bobdobbs> sarnold: ah, ok. So I've installed kvantummanager, which allows the user to switch themes.
[02:07] <bobdobbs> basically I'm trying to get wireshark to run in dark mode. I believe that wireshark uses qt
[02:08] <WildKeccak> I wish that I understood how to install pip-tools in Ubuntu Noble
[02:08] <sarnold> bobdobbs: sorry, gotta run :/ does that tool do *multiple* toolkits?
[02:08] <bobdobbs> np
[02:09] <bobdobbs> I'm not sure
[02:09] <Tingo> bobdobbs: did you check preferences/Settings of Wireshark... for running it in Dark mode ?
[02:10] <bobdobbs> Tingo: I couldn't see a theme in the appearances settings of wireshark.
[02:10] <bobdobbs> Tingo: brb. I think I have to reboot to enable qt settings to change
[02:11] <WildKeccak> "pip install pip-tools" complains that it shouldn't be used, and there is no apt package.
[02:36] <esv> hey folks, from time to time my machine just ignores the USB mouse and keyboard, the only way to recover is reboot,  it usually happens after the screensaver has kicked in for a while. I tried to run a sosreport but it just hung on the lshw section and had to open a new window to take the machine down.
[02:37] <esv> any recommendations on how to troubleshoot the issue?
[02:37] <esv> running ubuntu 22.04
[02:37] <rbox> dmesg
[02:42] <esv> I'll try to capture it before rebooting next time.
[03:47] <d_> Hello?
[03:47] <smoltalk> Hey all, does anybody have feedback/confirmation on these feature requests / bugs for the Subiquity server 22.04/24.04's "custom storage layout" UI before I file them? With the exception of one noted below, I haven't seen any similar bugs or feature requests already filed:
[03:47] <smoltalk> * Doesn't allow a to be selected as the boot device if partitions already exist or are planned to be created on the device
[03:47] <smoltalk> * Doesn't allow EFI system partitions to be created/mounted manually
[03:47] <smoltalk> * Doesn't allow LVM partitions to be created if partitions already exist or are planned to be added to the device
[03:47] <smoltalk> * Doesn't allow LUKS partitions to be created unless creating one as part of an LVM volume group
[03:48] <smoltalk> The last may possibly be a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2023957
[03:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2023957 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity: Manual partitioning: Add 'physical volume for LVM', and make it possible to encrypt it" [Undecided, New]
[03:48] <sdcg> Hi is there a help room?
[03:48] <smoltalk> sdcg this is it. Please read the rules and then have at it
[03:50] <sdcg> ok in that case can anyone help me figure out why my wifi dongle is seen but not usabel?  https://termbin.com/8xsh
[03:51] <smoltalk> Also for subiquity 24.04 on the desktop 24.04 image, can anybody confirm/refute this bug? Restarting the installer via the UI after the installation fails (due to error in autoinstall.yaml on the install media root) does not restart subiquity. It will immediately show the error UI from the previous failure, and it ignores new autoinstall.yaml files
[03:51] <smoltalk> in locations that should take precedence.
[03:56] <smoltalk> sdcg you should provide more information than that. Please answer all of the following questions: Which flavor/version of Ubuntu are you using? What is the vendor/model of the wifi dongle? What have you already tried to resolve this issue?
[04:00] <sdcg> ubuntu cinnamon 22.04 (the termbin shows the dongle) and tried a number of things
[06:43] <applepear> hello
[11:43] <gebbione> hi folks, recovering from a locked screen (ie moving the mouse after a while when screen is locked) takes a good few seconds before the login is shown again ... is that expected or can something be done to fix it
[11:51] <tomreyn> gebbione: is this on ubuntu with gnome-shell / gdm, or a different Ubuntu flavor / login manager? Xorg or Wayland? Which graphics driver? which ubuntu version, which kernel version? are you using customizations such as gnome-shell-extensions which might get in the way? Is anything logged in the systemd journal (use 'journalctl -eb') at the time you start unlocking the screen?
[11:51] <tomreyn> please generally provide at least the basic environmental information.
[11:52] <tomreyn> if you need help gathering any of this, please point it out
[11:56] <gebbione> graphics is nvidia rxt2070
[11:57] <gebbione> ux is just unity
[11:58] <gebbione> echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP -> ubuntu:GNOME
[11:58] <tomreyn> i think that's gnome-shell, not unity
[11:59] <tomreyn> unless you installed ubuntu-unity?
[11:59] <tomreyn> * ubuntu-unity-desktop
[12:00] <tomreyn> apt list --installed ubuntu-unity-desktop
[12:00] <gebbione> journal output (i must say it is faster if i lock it and reopen
[12:00] <gebbione> https://termbin.com/m9yk
[12:01] <gebbione> the output of apt list --installed ubuntu-unity-desktop is Listing done
[12:01] <gebbione> so not listing that package as installed i guess
[12:03] <gebbione> also not really sure how to interpret all the journal output
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:06] <tomreyn> gebbione: unlock it again, and take note on the time when you do, then check what was logged in the journal.
[12:06] <tomreyn> and feel free to share those lines of the log using a pastebin
[12:07] <gebbione> i think i will need to wait for next time that it auto locks
[12:07] <tomreyn> probably, yes.
[12:08] <tomreyn> this probably says "gnome", too, right?  echo $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP
[12:08] <gebbione> no that says ubuntu
[12:08] <tomreyn> ah thats right, good
[12:08] <gebbione> anyhow i wonder if the delay is because of the lines ...  gnome-shell[6194]: Window manager warning: Overwriting existing binding of keysym 31 with keysym 31 (keycode a).
[12:08] <tomreyn> so you're not using unity
[12:09] <gebbione> well after a quick googling it looked like the unity image
[12:09] <gebbione> here where it says unity https://superuser.com/questions/96151/how-do-i-check-whether-i-am-using-kde-or-gnome#:~:text=Have%20a%20look%20at%20your,%2C%20you're%20on%20Gnome.
[12:10] <oerheks> unity --version or apt-cache policy unity
[12:10] <gebbione> unity 7.5.1
[12:12] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours?cp=hide has a current ubuntu unity screenshot
[12:15] <tomreyn> and here's a current ubuntu 24.04 screenshot https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/7-Wcy72kffGY3f_KhI4VNoDGow_nnsGwB10oSO2oACqBYORb5xRWuQSKwAkaLE0YWciUWlrf5Hk2yKNb66kdo7t3d8YQSu1yS1JaJiGliqn3aFDAG5Qy558ApHb_did8V0EGmWKaH2DzhOnGa8pR50I
[12:15] <oerheks> Not sure what can be done for that pause before lockscreen appears
[12:15] <Hootch> Hi, I'm using 24.04 with xrdp as remote user with gnome46/X11. I can't see the dock panel on the left side. If I logged in as a local user (no xrdp) I can see the dock panel - any hints?
[12:17] <gebbione> tomreyn, this is indeed how mine looks like approximately but i have 22.04.04 and CairoDock
[12:18] <tomreyn> gebbione: which of the two?
[12:19] <tomreyn> hmm, cairo-dock, that seems like a relevant configuration change
[12:20] <gebbione> the screenshot looks similar
[12:20] <tomreyn> the first or the second screenshot i posted?
[12:20] <CrimsonRaven4826> hello?
[12:21] <tomreyn> CrimsonRaven4826: hello!
[12:21] <gebbione> tomreyn, like this https://imgur.com/AZbdPG9.png
[12:22] <CrimsonRaven4826> how to login
[12:22] <tomreyn> gebbione: okay so that's gnome-shell with the cairo dock, i think. you can identify gnome-shell by the "activities" menu top left.
[12:23] <tomreyn> CrimsonRaven4826: login to what?
[12:23] <CrimsonRaven4826> chat?
[12:23] <tomreyn> !nickserv | CrimsonRaven4826
[12:24] <tomreyn> gebbione: i'd try this without cairo-dock, see whether login is faster then
[12:25] <tomreyn> just to get a better idea of what may be causing it.
[12:25] <tomreyn> and inspect the logs, too
[12:26] <tomreyn> also take note of whether you monitor also goes into sleep mode, which can take time to reactivate
[14:23] <CrismonRaven> why isn't /ns register working
[14:33] <misiek> hi
[14:35] <misiek> hi
[14:44] <Roey> hello all
[14:44] <Roey> I installed Jellyfin, and made a PKCS#12 certificate (put it in /var/www, with permissions for user and group set to rwx). When I go to <IP_ADDRESS>:8920, I get a "The connection was reset" page.  Why isn't this working?
[14:49] <ravage> Roey: try https://jellyfin.org/contact
[14:53] <Roey> ravage: thanks
[14:53] <Roey> I got it owrking (I had forgotten to open the 8920 port in my firewall. Fixed!)
[15:40] <mint> cobranie dikih dronov
[15:40] <mint> i ne tol'ko
[15:44] <GoogleWall> hey
[17:20] <Grewek> Hi!
[18:07] <turganti43> hi
[18:07] <turganti43> im angel
[18:07] <turganti43> gabrile turganti
[18:08] <jiggawatt> hola turganti43
[18:08] <jiggawatt> i'm jaroslav ignacy wattz
[18:27] <turganti43> hi jaroslav
[18:28] <pitmaster> active?
[18:28] <oerheks> :-)
[18:37] <turganti43> im a develop ubuntu
[18:37] <turganti43> ubuntu is a so open code
[18:37] <turganti43> this is very easy modified
[19:53] <ZaY> hi
[19:54] <ZaY> how to dinstall kiwirc ? please
[19:54] <rbox> apt search can search for packages
[19:57] <ZaY> ok
[19:59] <ZaY> i have aunether user
[20:03] <ZaY> i need stup to do that please
[20:07] <peirik> is there any way to detach the on-screen keyboard from the main monitor? I'd like to move it to a secondary monitor, or preferably move it freely around like a window 🤔
[20:09] <wwsmurf> ZaY, what do you need?
[20:10] <ZaY> dinstall kiwirc please
[20:10] <wwsmurf> You want to remove it?
[20:10] <ZaY> yes please
[20:13] <mihalis> hello
[20:13] <mihalis> any must have app?
[20:14] <wwsmurf> Just out of curiosity, what does "whereis kiwiirc" tell you?
[20:15] <serjant> Hello everyone,Why does "Ubuntu 24.04 LTS" come with libc6 2.35 out of the box?. I downloaded insynchq 24.04 and it requires libc6 version 2.39. With the new versions of Ubuntu, will libc6 not be updated?
[20:15] <ZaY> when i do user unrealircd wwsmurf
[20:16] <ZaY> uesr unrealircd
[20:18] <mihalis> where i find software?
[20:21] <younder> You can start with the apt senter.
[20:22] <younder> sorry app senter
[20:26] <novaTopFlex> Ubuntu 22.04 LTS: Installation of Apache2 packages results in "Ign:" on various lines.
[20:27] <novaTopFlex> Unsure if this is the fault of not updating to 24.04 LTS (I am on the LTS release cycle and was told to wait until 24.04.1 for a more secure--and stable--system.)
[20:34] <ravage> Sounds like a problem with your sources file(s)
[20:34] <ravage> Would be helpful if you can pastebin your output
[21:17] <ZaY> I am a beginner I want to uninstall kiwiirc from my Ubuntu vps please
[21:19] <rbox> ZaY: if you want to install some random thing thats not in the repos, you need to follow the instructions from their website
[21:27] <tomreyn> ZaY: the same goes for uninstalling some random thing. if there are no uninstall steps listed, then try executing the installation steps in reverse.
[21:32] <ZaY> I don't know how to do it rbox
[21:32] <rbox> do what
[21:33] <ZaY> for uninstalling
[21:33] <ZaY> uninstalling
[21:33] <ZaY> https://kiwiirc.com/docs/installing
[21:33] <rbox> you'll have to talk to the developers if their documetnation is missing somethign
[21:38] <Tingo> ZaY: first find out where is this KiwiIRC Folder... its in /home/YOURUSER/KiwiIRC ? or in /opt/ ?
[21:39] <Tingo> ./kiwi stop and then delete this kiwiIRC Folder which you had downloaded from Github.. git clone https://github.com/prawnsalad/KiwiIRC.git && cd KiwiIRC
[21:40] <ZaY> in /home/unrealircd/KiwiIRC
[21:40] <ZaY> ok
[21:41] <Tingo> ok. cd /home/unrealircd/KiwiIRC/
[21:41] <ZaY> i need to uninstall kiwiirc
[21:41] <Tingo> ./kiwi stop
[21:41] <ZaY> ok
[21:41] <ZaY> i did this
[21:42] <Tingo> rm -rf /home/unrealircd/KiwiIRC
[21:42] <Tingo> it will not run again ..
[21:42] <ZaY> ok
[21:43] <ZaY> next
[21:43] <ZaY> ?
[21:44] <Tingo> kiwiIRC has been Uninstalled/Removed from your Server..
[21:44] <ZaY> kill ?
[21:44] <tomreyn> note also how the installation guide at states that it is outdated and there are also package installations nowadays, pointing to v1.6.0 (nov. 2021) and later versions' release assets https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc/releases
[21:44] <tomreyn> * at https://kiwiirc.com/docs/installing
[21:45] <Tingo> ZaY: ps -aux | grep kiwi
[21:46] <tomreyn> generally, i would recommend against 'installing' software in such manual ways if you're not comfortable with managing and uninstalling it manually on your own. use packages from apt repositories (or at least snaps / flatpaks instead)
[21:47] <Guest65> In ubundu 24.04 wayland, there is a non-clickable area on the upper right side of the screen up to 4 finger area in post-installed applications. when the applications are full screen, buttons such as closing cannot be clicked. has anyone encountered a similar problem or knows the solution. I temporarily solve the problem by logging into xorg and
[21:47] <Guest65> returning to wayland at every pc startup.
[21:49] <Tingo> tomreyn: is it Server app or onlly kiwirc Desktop Clients ? https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc/releases
[21:50] <tomreyn> Tingo: i see packages which contain the words "server", "desktop" and "client" there
[21:53] <Tingo> Yea. now i see Server.. Well yes, always prefer to use apt or .deb files for installing Apps..
[22:09] <GSMarquis> tomreyn, you sent me a few links on suspend modes. It started a click session for me of about 2 hours of reading. Led me to a forum with Intel IOAPIC causing suspend/sleep not to work. I disabled it in BIOS and all is good.
[22:10] <tomreyn> GSMarquis: sounds like you know more than i do. :) congrats.
[22:10] <tomreyn> you can control ioapic also from the linux cmdline btw.
[22:11] <GSMarquis> Well aparrently it needs to be configured or breaks suspend.
[22:17] <tomreyn> https://docs.kernel.org/arch/x86/x86_64/boot-options.html#apics
[22:20] <JoeLlama> I'm running lubuntu but the power manager sux for this box.  Is there another power manager I can run instead and how did do I do that?
[22:25] <rbox> "the power manager"?


[09:24] <zyga> vim: relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/librt.so.1: symbol __pthread_clock_settime, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in fil e libpthread.so.0 with link time reference
[09:24] <mdz> pitti: we need some time to catch the errors we haven't seen yet
[09:24] <mdz> pitti:  through user exposure
[09:24] <mdz> pitti: which domains are they
[09:24] <pitti> mdz: right
[09:25] <ogra> mdz, that ltsp patch you sent is for the debian package... while i agree that the exporting should be done in the build-client script, i dont agree with the implementation as well as with the rest ...
[09:25] <pitti> mdz: btw, we always review the full diff, so it shouldn't get too bad
[09:25] <mdz> pitti: which domains are obsolete?
[09:26] <mdz> pitti: you review the full diff including all of the changed translations in every language?
[09:26] <pitti> mdz: gdm, control-center and evolution
[09:26] <carlos> mdz, gdm, evolution and control-center
[09:26] <mdz> pitti: oh, those are important ones ;-)
[09:26] <pitti> mdz: well, I can't review every single bit of 22 MB :-)
[09:26] <mdz> ogra: I forwarded it to you because you are working on the same problem
[09:26] <ogra> mdz, not really...
[09:26] <pitti> mdz: but when you look a it, you get a fairly good idea about the differences
[09:27] <mdz> pitti: but there are many updated translations from rosetta, right?
[09:27] <ogra> mdz, i need to generate the dhcp.conf on the fly... these probs are already solved for ue
[09:27] <pitti> mdz: yes, some
[09:27] <mdz> pitti: that is what I mean, we need time to QA the translation changes
[09:27] <ogra> s/ue/us
[09:27] <pitti> mdz: right, exactly my feelign, that's why I want fresh packs ASAP, and not just before release
[09:27] <ogra> mdz, but moving the exports to the script is indeed the better way
[09:32] <janimo> seb128 if there's a way of reminding you of the lpi/libgnome patch without being annoying let me know :)
[09:33] <seb128> janimo: I just have something like 700 bugs to my bugzilla list so you have to be patient
[09:34] <janimo> seb128, ok it is just holding up xubuntu-desktop a bit, but ok if it is done before release I am fine.thanks
[09:35] <seb128> you can't get xubuntu-desktop grabbing libgnome for the moment?
[09:36] <janimo> seb128, I could I guess but that may mean the actual testers will be fewer if they have memory footprint issues
[09:36] <janimo> I'll do that if it takes a while till you get to the fix though
[09:37] <janimo> I just worry not to delay it too much so it becomes too risky for breezy
[09:38] <seb128> janimo: I'll have a look on the patch tomorrow
[09:39] <janimo> sbe128, merci
[09:40] <zyga> jbailey: fixed
[09:41] <jbailey> zyga: \\o/
[09:41] <jbailey> I'll wait for the confirmation from Nafallo too then and then close the bug.
[09:42] <seb128> janimo: de rien
[09:48] <spayne> pitti: ping
[09:48] <pitti> spayne: pong
[09:56] <janimo> which is the program that gets SUSPEND/REBOOT etc commands from gnome-session and calls pmi in turn?
[09:56] <mjg59> janimo: gnome-settings-daemon
[09:58] <ogra> mjg59, ?
[09:58] <mjg59> ogra: Hello?
[09:58] <ogra> isnt that gdm anymore ?
[09:58] <mjg59> Oh, sorry, I see
[09:58] <mjg59> janimo: Yeah, ogra is right. It's gdm that actually calls pmi
[10:00] <janimo> ok thanks
[10:00] <janimo> I actually manage to call pmi from xfce-session but on resume X is killed and I am dropped into console
[10:01] <janimo> so I have to see what does gnome do besides calling pmi
[10:01] <janimo> does gdm run as root?
[10:01] <ogra> janimo, yup
[10:01] <janimo> so no sudo right
[10:02] <ogra> yup
[10:02] <janimo> hmm that is one difference
[10:02] <janimo> thanks ogra
[10:02] <ogra> do you have a login manager wrapped in your xubuntu package ?
[10:05] <janimo> ogra, not yet
[10:05] <janimo> haven't decided if we'll use one or not
[10:05] <zyga> Keybuk: how to re-set the keyboard after kbd_mode -k
[10:06] <janimo> 'we' is exagerrated, so far noone comments on xubuntu ;)
[10:06] <janimo> it may be time to announce to users and ask for opinions
[10:07] <zyga> janimo: DD will need a 'select desktop' post-install package that shows screenshots and installs [xg] ?ubuntu-desktop
[10:07] <jdub> seb128: ping
[10:08] <seb128> jdub: pong
[10:08] <jdub> seb128: did you get to chat to vuntz about the menu logo stuff?
[10:08] <janimo> zyga, DD?
[10:08] <janimo> debian developers?
[10:09] <seb128> jdub: yeah, didn't you read what I put to the query before going to bed yesterday?
[10:09] <zyga> Dapper
[10:09] <janimo> aha
[10:09] <janimo> you think they'll fit on the same CD?
[10:09] <zyga> janimo: - no
[10:10] <janimo> although xubu  is mostly a subset of ubu
[10:10] <zyga> janimo: but for network enabled users this could be neet
[10:10] <janimo> sure
[10:10] <zyga> janimo: broadband enabled users ;-)
[10:10] <janimo> so I am out ;)
[10:10] <jdub> seb128: hmm
[10:10] <jdub> seb128: aha!
[10:11] <jdub> seb128: unfortunately, that still requires us to create a new icon theme, unless we can hack it with stock icons
[10:11] <seb128> jdub: why?
[10:11] <seb128> jdub: just ship it to the hicolor folder
[10:11] <jdub> directly in ubuntu-artwork?
[10:11] <jdub> i guess that works
[10:14] <ogra> jdub, ubuntu-artwork needs a autotools update ... i (actually jbailey) fell into this with edubuntu-artwork
[10:14] <jdub> seb128: turns out there's already a gconf hack for this
[10:15] <jdub> ogra: hrm, i don't ship a native pacakge
[10:15] <jcohen85> jbailey: did you ever get a chance to write a new initramfs-tools package?
[10:15] <jbailey> jcohen85: No, but I'd be curious if you see the same pauses now.
[10:15] <ogra> jdub, but its generated with automake1.7 or something similar old...
[10:15] <jbailey> jcohen85: The splash screen starts sooner now.
[10:16] <seb128> jdub: where?
[10:16] <jbailey> jcohen85: It also seems that udevstart might wind up pausing on non-responding devices, but I'm not sure of that yet.
[10:16] <jdub> seb128: /apps/panel/default_setup/objects/menu_bar
[10:18] <jcohen85> jbailey: ok, i'll try again and tell you what happens
[10:18] <jbailey> jcohen85: Thanks!
[10:18] <jdub> ogra: this doesn't seem to have a negative impact on the resulting package, however
[10:19] <ogra> jdub, thats true....
[10:19] <jdub> seb128: can't seem to get any of those keys to work
[10:19] <seb128> jdub: seems to be a leftover of some old key
[10:19] <ogra> even i dont understand the whole makefiel fuss in there
[10:19] <jdub> ogra: it's just a relatively standard gnome style autofoo module
[10:20] <ogra> yes, but cp or dh_install would suffice :)
[10:20] <jdub> seb128: did you ship the distributor-logo patch?
[10:20] <jdub> ogra: not for intltooling
[10:21] <ogra> ah, true
[10:21] <jdub> seb128: which section should it be in?
[10:21] <ogra> thats the missing bit then :)
[10:22] <seb128> jdub: not yet, these gconf key seem to be still used by the panel in fact
[10:22] <seb128> except they don't apply to current config
[10:22] <seb128> just if you create a new panel
[10:22] <jdub> what about the setting under /apps/panel/objects ?
[10:23] <jdub> hrm, though i didn't restart the panel
[10:24] <jdub> nup, not even if i do that
[10:25] <jdub> seb128: ok, if you can push the distributor-logo patch, let me know which section it is, and i'll respin u-a
[10:27] <ogra> jdub, do you have a icon ? i'd have a bumped slightly glowing version here if you need one....
[10:28] <seb128> jdub: 48x48/apps ?
[10:29] <ogra> s/bumped/punched
[10:30] <tseng> jdub: is there more art coming?
[10:31] <tseng> jdub: im getting anxious
[10:31] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:31] <jdub> ogra: ah, worth having a try with that too - send over when you have a minute - thanks :)
[10:31] <jdub> tseng: u-a upload a few minutes ago
[10:31] <Nafallo> jdub: please detect that I use WS and set the background accordingly? ;-)
[10:32] <jdub> Nafallo: heh, i wish :-)
[10:34] <jdub> ha ha
[10:34] <jdub> gar, after all that, i uploaded the wrong one
[10:34] <Nafallo> lol
[10:34] <jdub> didn't include the circle update
[10:35] <Nafallo> circle update? gdm?
[10:35] <jdub> yeah
[10:36] <ogra> grmpf.... and my next evo crash...
[10:36] <tseng> circle-of-elmo?
[10:36] <ogra> #6 today ...
[10:36] <tseng> jdub:
[10:36] <tseng>      - removed browser homepage
[10:36] <tseng> i love you
[10:36] <Nafallo> I almost hope for a replacement of the gnome foot in the left corner ;-)
[10:36] <jdub> Nafallo: that's coming in the next upload
[10:36] <Nafallo> yay
[10:37] <jdub> bug seb about required panel changes ;-)
[10:38] <Nafallo> seb128: ^ :-)
[10:39] <ogra> seb128, my evo is crashy... i just wanted to gdb backtrace it and recognized about 40 running e-d-s processes... is this a new behavior ? or rather a bug ?
[10:39] <seb128> Nafallo: let's wait for artwork changes so I can test before uploading
[10:39] <Nafallo> seb128: oki :-)
[10:39] <seb128> ogra: bug ... but don't you get a bug-buddy dialog?
[10:39] <ogra> nope
[10:39] <ogra> it just hardlocks
[10:40] <seb128> gdb evolution
[10:40] <seb128> (gdb) handle SIG33 pass nostop noprint
[10:40] <ogra> actually the e-d-s processes might be from other crashes ...
[10:40] <seb128> (gdb) run
[10:40] <seb128> ...
[10:40] <seb128> wiat for a hang

[10:40] <seb128> thread apply all bt
[10:40] <seb128> evolution --force-shutdown
[10:40] <seb128> to cleanup
[10:41] <ogra> seb128, ok... it an take some hours... happens all 4-5h
[10:41] <Amaranth> hopefully tonight i'll be able to make my pre-colony 4 breezy install work again so i can work on smeg :)
[10:43] <ogra> wow, what a luck ... now it hang immediately :) this hasnt happened before...
[10:44] <Nafallo> ogra: lol. you have a funny way to define luck ;-).
[10:44] <ogra> Nafallo, nope i'm short of time to donate to such things... but it seems it pulled down gdb whit it... very weird...
[10:44] <Nafallo> "YES! My package hangs!
[10:45] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe, joy :-)
[10:45] <Nafallo> ogra: I would go for the marshmallows if I were you :-).
[10:48] <ogra> seb128, (gdb) thread apply all bt
[10:48] <ogra> Cannot find new threads: generic error :/
[10:48] <seb128> urg
[10:48] <seb128> gdb bog ?
[10:48] <ogra> hmm, but also evo boog
[10:48] <ogra> since it hangs again no
[10:48] <ogra> w
[10:49] <seb128> anybody knows about this gdb msg?
[10:49] <ogra> oh
[10:49] <ogra> gdb is stopped and evo still runs
[10:49] <ogra> now i have a crash dialog
[10:50] <ogra> hrm... but bug buddy hangs too...
[10:50] <ogra> damn
[10:50] <dholbach> wait a bit
[10:51] <dholbach> i guess bug-buddy is working a bit
[10:51] <ogra> it hard locked and my cpu runs full speed...
[10:51] <ogra> oh, youre right
[10:51] <dholbach> it's working
[10:51] <ogra> but veeeerrryyy slllooooowwww
[10:52] <ogra> jdub, dont tell me you wiped the homepage from the artwork
[10:52] <ogra> edubuntu-rtwork relies on that
[10:52] <jdub> ogra: ha ha ha
[10:52] <jdub> oh dear
[10:52] <jdub> why's that?
[10:52] <ogra> shit
[10:53] <jbailey> Is that the FF homepage?
[10:53] <ogra> because mozilla has this hardcoded as a home location...
[10:53] <jbailey> Is it moving to -docs now?
[10:53] <jdub> jbailey: i thought that change had already been made?
[10:53] <ogra> i didnt want to fiddle with firefox
[10:54] <jdub> the intent was to use the html-generated about page from ubuntu-docs
[10:54] <mdke> yep
[10:54] <jdub> though ideally we'd have something slightly more useful
[10:54] <ogra> gah, my system burns... its at 80 degree and bug buddy still only moves the load bar 1mm a minute
[10:55] <jdong> ogra: that's not good for your computer.... :)
[10:55] <ogra> haha
[10:55] <jbailey> jdub: I don't think so, but tell me what you need and I'll make it happen pdq.
[10:55] <jdong> ogra: unless it's an athlon tbird
[10:55] <ogra> its an amd64 lappie
[10:55] <jdub> jbailey: just to make sure there's an html version of the about ubuntu page shipped in... something :-)
[10:55] <ogra> it survives until 89 degree
[10:55] <Nafallo> ogra: !targa? :-)
[10:56] <jbailey> mdke: Do you know if we have a suitable doc for that already, or should I drag up the old one from artwork?
[10:56] <ogra> Nafallo, aspire 1520
[10:56] <jdub> ogra: one fix to ff will sort it out, don't worry
[10:56] <jdong> ogra: my athlon64 desktop burns at 70-ish
[10:56] <Nafallo> ah, acer.
[10:56] <Nafallo> seems you should have gone to lidl instead ;-)
[10:57] <dholbach> wow, i'm on berlinblogs.com and didn't know :)
[10:57] <jbailey> dholbach: They're stalking you ;)
[10:58] <ogra> hmm, probably i should install the 200 waiting updates ... might please evo :)
[10:58] <mdke> jbailey, aboutubuntu is the doc dude
[10:58] <mvo> dholbach: you are famous already?
[10:58] <Nafallo> ogra: OMFG :-P
[10:58] <dholbach> mvo: haha, not really
[10:58] <mdke> jbailey, put it in /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/HTML i guess?
[10:58] <jdong> ogra: MOTU preventing you from doing other stuff? ;)
[10:58] <jbailey> mdke: Lovely. =)
[10:59] <ogra> jdong, i'm not only MOTU
[10:59] <mdke> jbailey, do you think there is any way of localising the firefox homepage? e.g. HTML/en/ HTML/fr and getting them to appear in the right language?
[10:59] <jdub> jbailey: then i think you can pass the firefox fix to Diziet
[10:59] <jdub> :-)
[10:59] <jdub> mdke: no
[10:59] <mdke> there are loads of translations for about-ubuntu
[11:00] <mdke> jdub, i bet someone is clever enough to do that
[11:00] <ogra> jdub, but thast really odd, now i have to change ff defaults for custom distros... thats odd, who decided that ?
[11:01] <mdke> it makes sense ogra, ubuntu-artwork doesn't maintain that page
[11:01] <ogra> i dont want to fiddle with app defaults
[11:01] <ogra> mdke, but hacking ff is no option... so i can forget about about-edubuntu
[11:02] <ogra> it was perfectly right in the -artwork package ....
[11:02] <mdke> ogra, maybe you can give the file the same name, and ship it in edubuntu-docs
[11:02] <Nafallo> ogra: no. -docs makes sense...
[11:02] <mdke> that way you don't need to play with ff
[11:03] <ogra> Nafallo, its a branding thing, not a doc thing imho
[11:03] <mdke> oh well
[11:03] <ogra> and -artwork are the branding packages
[11:03] <jbailey> In the end, so is docs, really.
[11:03] <mdke> ogra, the doc is maintained b the doc team
[11:03] <Nafallo> ogra: yea, but rather have the -docs conflict and put the page in /usr/share/homepage.html or something ;-)
[11:03] <jbailey> I'm not clear on the separation aside from who's producing it.
[11:03] <mdke> not much point having to syncronise the two packages
[11:04] <jdub> ogra: you would've had to change the url in the old scheme too
[11:04] <ogra> Nafallo, i can only put the page where ff looks ...
[11:04] <ogra> jdub, nope
[11:04] <mdke> ogra, then agree with jbailey the right place to put the page
[11:04] <jdub> the old url included ubuntu-artork
[11:04] <Nafallo> ogra: well, we have to make ff look at things where it's sensible then...
[11:05] <ogra> jdub, i linked it in postinst and removed the link in postrm... edubuntu-artwork depends on ubuntu-artwork since it reuses most of the ubuntu stuff from there
[11:05] <mdke> ogra, do something similar?
[11:05] <ogra> so it was perfectly right there without much fiddling... now i have to have two packages for a derivative branding
[11:06] <jbailey> You'd want to fiddle with -docs anyway
[11:06] <ogra> mdke, i'll do that anyway since i need -docs for edubuntu... but that way we force everyone to have *two* branding packages for his derivative, thats not nice
[11:07] <mdke> do we?
[11:07] <ogra> sure
[11:08] <mdke> well the package is maintained in our repository
[11:08] <jbailey> The whole fact that the file is in a path that contains the word ubuntu breaks the sabdfl's want to make it possible to remove the word 'ubuntu' from the system, I think.
[11:08] <mdke> do with it what you like
[11:08] <sladen> ogra: could you move human etc into a base-branding and then keep the really specific stuff in a separate package (and then perhaps override that)
[11:08] <mdke> jbailey, iirc mark gave his approval to putting the page in ubuntu-docs
[11:08] <ogra> sladen, yes, that would probably be best...
[11:09] <ogra> but having such chamges now that my packages were in order and i didnt plan time to change them before release is quite hard to manage...
[11:09] <ogra> but well...
[11:10] <mdke> ogra, perhaps it is best if you guys discuss it all together on the mailing list or something
[11:10] <ogra> it would have been nice to know about it before...
[11:10] <mdke> it is not too late to sort it out either way
[11:10] <mdke> ogra, yeah, you said that
[11:11] <ogra> mdke, for me it is... i just lost a week of edubuntu development to the screensaver
[11:11] <ogra> and i dont even know here to get the time to finish edubuntu ... now surprise surprise i have to touch packages that i thought were finished
[11:12] <ogra> it just breaks my schedule..
[11:12] <mdke> ogra, perhaps just write an email to the list and let the people who decide these things sort it out
[11:13] <ogra> mdke, how ? i will make the change to my package... but the communication here is not well it seems, its ot the first time i ran into such a trap.. i'll put a BOF on the BOF list to have it better in dapper...
[11:13] <ogra> s/ot/not
[11:14] <lamont> I wonder if I should worry that xscreensaver-data (or some such) failed to configure correctly during a dist-upgrade to breezy
[11:14] <ogra> mdke, the decision apprently was made already...
[11:14] <mdke> ogra, it is very trivial to un-decide and re-decide, afaics
[11:15] <mdke> since the file just needs to be built and inserted into one or the other package
[11:15] <mdz> mdke: there are translations for About Ubuntu? they aren't in the package.
[11:15] <mdke> mdz, not yet
[11:15] <ogra> mdke, its a questin if i sleep an hour less and change my package or if 5 people discuss it again and lose 1h plus 2 people have to work on 2 packages...
[11:16] <mdke> mdz, jbailey is on it :)
[11:16] <mdz> mdke: are you saying translations exist but are not packaged yet?
[11:16] <mdke> mdz, yes
[11:16] <seb128> mvo, pitti: about cdrdao, is it promoted?
[11:16] <mdz> because that page is going to change
[11:16] <mdke> mdz, oh dear
[11:16] <ogra> mdke, i will just accept it now... but i'm not happy that i didnt know about it
[11:16] <pitti> seb128: the issues are resolved, so it can be promoted
[11:17] <mdke> mdz, what do you mean?
[11:17] <mdz> mdke: I mean it's needed to be replaced for a long time and we are finally getting to it
[11:17] <seb128> pitti: can I upload a ncb Depending on it ?
[11:17] <mdke> mdz, i was copied into a discussion about this today I think...
[11:17] <seb128> hum, that would be wrong
[11:17] <seb128> should we list if for desktop ?
[11:17] <mdke> mdz, it didn't seem like it was going to be changed
[11:17] <mdke> mdz, mark already rewrote it completely once
[11:17] <pitti> seb128: Suggests: sounds more appropriate, and seeding it to supported
[11:17] <mdke>  [22:16:13]  < mdke> mdz, jbailey is on it :)
[11:17] <mdke> argh
[11:18] <dholbach> good night
[11:18] <ogra> lamont, error ?
[11:18] <seb128> pitti: not desktop?
[11:18] <pitti> seb128: or do you want it in desktop? CD space is expensive...
[11:18] <mdke> mdz, translations are at: t:
[11:18] <pitti> night dand
[11:18] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/aboutubuntu
[11:18] <seb128> pitti: I would like to get "duplicate CD" working out of the box
[11:18] <mdz> mdke: there's already someone working on it.  I didn't consider it a big deal to replace it late because I could see that there were no translations
[11:18] <mdke> mdz, there are like 20 languages
[11:18] <pitti> seb128: fine by me, but Kamion/mdz should approve, too
[11:18] <lamont> *** libsane.usermap (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?
[11:18] <lamont> we know about taht one?
[11:18] <seb128> pitti: universe or supported doesn't make a real difference, people have to install it
[11:19] <seb128> pitti: sure
[11:19] <lamont> empty-> 453 lines
[11:19] <pitti> lamont: I tested upgrades from hoary, I didn't get that
[11:19] <mdke> mdz, janew said today in her email that they had decided not to employ a company to work on the page
[11:19] <ogra> lamont, what was the xscreensaver-data error ?
[11:19] <lamont> I may have universe crappage as well
[11:19] <pitti> lamont: empty??? how did you get that?
[11:19] <lamont> ogra: the xscreensaver-data error was, um, scrolled off the screen
[11:19] <Keybuk> jdub: no new HumanCircle yet?
[11:19] <ogra> lamont, ok
[11:19] <mdz> mdke: who are 'they'?  please forward me this email, I should have been in the loop
[11:20] <Keybuk> pitti: btw, did libsane.usermap magically start working with the grepmap update?
[11:20] <mdke> mdz, i haven't got my computer on me, i left it at the office, but JaneW will fill you in I'm sure, otherwise I can forward tomorrow sometime
[11:20] <mdz> mdke: she hasn't
[11:20] <mdke> mdz, jdub was in cc though
[11:20] <pitti> Keybuk: no idea, in the last bug report the culprit was the missing libusbscanner script
[11:20] <Keybuk> ahh
[11:21] <mdke> mdz, i'm sure if you mail her she will forward it quicker than I can
[11:22] <mdz> mdke: JaneW is gone for the day and I am leaving town tomorrow
[11:22] <mdz> and this is something that I asked to be done
[11:22] <mdz> so I need to know if something has gone wrong
[11:22] <mdke> mdz, ah ok, listen
[11:22] <mdke> mdz, when I replied, I copied in ubuntu-doc@lists
[11:23] <lamont> ogra: my bad
[11:23] <mdke> mdz, you won't see all of her email, but the general gist is there
[11:23] <mdke> mdz, http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/cutoff=3255
[11:23] <lamont> Unpacking replacement xscreensaver-data ...
[11:23] <lamont> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xscreensaver-data_4.21-4ubuntu14_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:23] <lamont>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/xscreensaver-getimage.1.gz', which is also in package xscreensaver
[11:23] <lamont> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[11:23] <mdke> mdz, hope that helps
[11:23] <lamont> ogra: amusingly, dpkg --configure -a and the problem did not reoccur
[11:24] <mdke> mdz, (the thread is "About UBuntu to be beautified")
[11:24] <mdz> mdke: that message is about KReleaseNotes...do you remember the subjcet line?
[11:24] <mdz> ok
[11:24] <lamont> hrm.
[11:24] <lamont> another dist-upgrade, wants to install a new xscreensaver-data
[11:24] <lamont> ogra: so missing Replaces?
[11:25] <mdke> mdz, in a later email (not on the list) I made the point about there being loads of translations
[11:25] <mdz> mdke: ok, jane was confused
[11:25] <mdke> right...
[11:25] <mjg59> mdz: Most of the usplash stuff should be sorted
[11:26] <ogra> lamont, which version of xscreensaver was there before, do you know that ?
[11:26] <lamont> Preparing to replace xscreensaver-data 4.21-4ubuntu12 (using .../xscreensaver-data_4.21-4ubuntu14_i386.deb) ...
[11:26] <ogra> lamont, there is a replaces, but it might contain the wrong version
[11:26] <ogra> lamont, thanks will fix that
[11:26] <lamont> ogra: thanks
[11:26] <ogra> :)
[11:27] <mdke> mdz, anyhow you saw the url with the translations?
[11:27] <mdz> mjg59: which stuff?  I think outstanding were progress bar border, insmod errors, console font issues
[11:27] <mjg59> mdz: Progres bar border, insmod errors should be fixed since the move to init-top rather than init-premount
[11:27] <mdz> mdke: I see it, and it's a shame that they were never used
[11:27] <mdke> mdz, jbailey is working on putting them into the package
[11:27] <mdke> mdz, they are quite recent
[11:27] <mjg59> mdz: The previous issue would have been that vesafb was being loaded first, failing and then we were trying to reload the same modules
[11:28] <mjg59> mdz: Also, it now works with vesafb
[11:28] <mdz> mdke: jbailey should now that the deadline was today
[11:28] <mdz> mjg59: yay
[11:28] <mdke> mdz, i didn't know that :/
[11:28] <mdz> s/now/know/
[11:28] <mdz> mdke: it's been on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule since May
[11:29] <mdke> mdz, yes, but I am just a volunteer
[11:29] <mdke> mdz, anyhow, i understood that translations could be updated
[11:29] <mdke> as with the language-packs
[11:29] <mdz> mdke: I don't follow from BreezyReleaseSchedule -> volunteer
[11:30] <mdz> the schedule applies to the entirety of Ubuntu, not individuals
[11:30] <mdke> mdz, yeah, i wasn't suggesting it didn't apply, just that i wasn't aware of this deadline
[11:30] <mdke> mdz, perhaps the best thing would be to hurry jeff along?
[11:32] <mdke> or leave the translations out, or update them. Whatever you decide
[11:33] <mcella> is there a way to hide usplash progress verbose output?
[11:33] <mdz> mdke: jbailey is gone for the day according to his schedule
[11:33] <mdke> mdz, ok, your call on what you want to do.
[11:33] <jbailey> mdke: I'm still here.
[11:33] <jbailey> Sorry was dealing with puking cat.
[11:34] <mdke> ouch
[11:34] <pitti> Robot101: here?
[11:34] <mdke> jbailey, mdz says that today was the deadline for translations
[11:34] <Nafallo> jbailey: hope you didn't mean me ;-)
[11:34] <jbailey> Nafallo: LOL
[11:34] <Nafallo> jbailey: msg btw :-)
[11:34] <mdz> mdke: after we prepared the schedule for breezy, I thought I remembered sending you the URL personally, even, to verify that it met your needs (since it was in part based on your input)
[11:35] <mdz> mdke: non-language-pack translations, yes
[11:35] <mdke> mdz, yep you did
[11:35] <mdke> mdz, but I have not been keeping up with it, because I am working quite hard at the moment and haven't been able to do much docs work
[11:35] <mdz> pitti: did we succeed in getting oo.o or firefox into langpacks?
[11:35] <mdz> pitti: we need to create a list of what qualifies for NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[11:36] <pitti> mdz: oo.o yes, with ffox there were too many troubles
[11:36] <pitti> mdz: I had a long discussion with carlos about ffox, it's not breezyable
[11:36] <Nafallo> oh
[11:36] <mdz> pitti: ok, so installer, firefox, HTML documents, desktop files...
[11:36] <Nafallo> OO.o in langpacks :-P
[11:36] <Nafallo> damn
[11:36] <jbailey> mdz, mjg59: Nafallo and zyga have both confirmed the errors are gone with the current initrafs/usplash
[11:36] <mdz> pitti: anything else worth mentioning specifically?
[11:37] <mjg59> Ok. I'll go back to concentrating on suspend/resume, then
[11:37] <pitti> mdz: maybe upgrade notes and debconf templates
[11:37] <Nafallo> ehm, HTML Documents is ubuntudocs?
[11:37] <mdke> mdz, ok i'm going to bed, jbailey knows where the translations are if you decide you want them in
[11:39] <mdz> pitti: upgrade notes, as in notification-daemon
[11:39] <mdz> mdke: ok, good night
[11:39] <pitti> mdz: yes
[11:39] <Nafallo> jdub: can we have the circle to please? the splash and wallpaper rocks after half a year ;-).
[11:39] <mdke> mdz, same, sorry for any trouble
[11:39] <pitti> mdz: although they are pretty uncritical
[11:40] <mdz> pitti: created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[11:42] <jbailey> mdz: Is it too late now?  I thought we had the 29th to do this.
 next time LaschW shows up, somebody point him at 'apt-get source oem-config localechooser kbd-chooser' please
[11:43] <mvo> I have some pending desktop files here, but I'm sort of hesitating to upload e.g. a new xsane because of a single i18n update in the desktop file...what is the opionion in this?
[11:43] <seb128> mvo: I usually do quite a bunch of upload for this reason
[11:43] <LaschW> ogra: Nice hint, but already downloaded :-)
[11:44] <ogra> ok :)
[11:44] <seb128> mvo: but ping me before, I've a list of uploads for a 100% french menu :p
[11:45] <mvo> seb128: can we coordinate that tomorrow then :) ?
[11:45] <LaschW> ogra: I see it as a nono criteria for OEM's not to have a propper documentation for OEM mode install...
[11:45] <seb128> mvo: sure
[11:45] <mvo> seb128: thanks
[11:45] <seb128> np
[11:46] <ogra> LaschW, not my area, i only forwarded Kamions request :)
[11:46] <LaschW> ogra: Are there any people here in Germany who work on an OEM-Install documentation?
[11:47] <mdz> mjg59: any suggestions on the console font issue?
[11:47] <ogra> LaschW, glaub ich nich ;)
[11:47] <mjg59> mdz: We can't change the console font while in graphics mode. We can either fix the kernel so we can (not practical now), do it in text mode (either before usplash or after usplash) or not set the console font at all
[11:48] <LaschW> ogra: Hhhm, up to now I know about 3 companies who asked about input on breezy OEM-Install...
[11:48] <mdz> mjg59: what we do now is do it after usplash, in gdm, immediately before X starts
[11:48] <mjg59> Yes
[11:48] <mjg59> Which means flicking to a text console briefly
[11:48] <mdz> this seems to cause a noticeable vt switch, though, which would be nice to avoid if possible
[11:49] <mjg59> I can't see any way around that
[11:49] <mjg59> Though it's possible we might be able to get it to switch to a blank console
[11:49] <ogra> LaschW, i havent wokred in ths area at all... but i'm sure Kamion does a documentaion an the translation team will translate it... but there is no specific german documentation writer afaik
[11:51] <mvo> mdz, mjg59: I'll try that again tomorrow, I was experimenting with various ways to avoid the flickering today (without much sucess :/)
[11:52] <MK> anyone: is there a way of "upgrading" to Colony5 from the preview release by using apt/synaptic, or do I have to re-install fully? (in relation to: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16244#c6) - if I run apt-get update + apt-get dist-upgrade .. will this do the trick?
[11:52] <LaschW> ogra: We had a guy here in Friesland who has been known as some kind of Mr. Linux. But he says he will not give Linux suport anymore due he has been tricked very badly by some OpenSource sectarians who offered him a deceitful job offer...
[11:52] <mjg59> mvo: Calling the usplash init script is almost certainly the wrong thing to do
[11:53] <mjg59> mvo: Try just chvting to an unused console
[11:53] <mjg59> There'll be flicker, but there won't be any text
[11:53] <ogra> LaschW, thats bad :/
[11:54] <mjg59> mvo: You shouldn't need to wait for usplash to exit. Just do the chvt and it'll release the lock when it's shut down
[11:54] <mvo> mjg59: thanks, will do this
[11:56] <jbailey> mvo: Ooo.  The -15 usplash actually quits properly for me now when I break in the initramfs.  Thanks!
[11:57] <LaschW> ogra: In his position I should have done so likewise. They know about his situation (Hartz-IV) and misused his enthusiasm until he was forced to accept a job as a toilet man. :-((
[11:58] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:58] <ogra> bah
[11:59] <mvo> mjg59: a chvt 2 ; console-screen before gdm starts currently does not set the fonts properly. I'm too tired for looking further now. will check tomorrow