[17:34] <techie123> hwllo
[17:34] <techie123> anybody in here
[17:34] <techie123> yet
[17:55] <wrst> well... I was :(
[19:24] <FredN> hello all, merry monday
[19:36] <zenadm1n> hi, all.
[20:44] <wrst> howdy howdy


[00:02] <rbasak> OK. Well, I'm not going to complain if you don't :)
[00:04] <dbungert> I pinged the Debian maintainer, since that might help the debug of the Debian build failure
[00:05] <rbasak> Good idea - thanks
[00:06] <rbasak> dbungert: I don't know if you're aware of this thread: https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-mysql-maint/2022-February/015631.html
[00:07] <rbasak> Also https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-mysql-maint/2022-March/015657.html in the following month
[00:07] <rbasak> But builds didn't pass, so I didn't sync at the time.
[00:08] <dbungert> ah no, I really just picked this up trying to help the NBS openssl 1.1 crisis
[00:08] <rbasak> Your help is much appreciated :)
[00:08] <dbungert> :)
[00:09] <rbasak> There has also been bug traffic to do with build flags on ppc64el and others. I don't know if you've seen all of that either. You probably don't need to unless you're curious.
[00:58] <vorlon> hnngh got micropython building on amd64, but it ftbfs on all other archs with various test failures not seen in Debian
[01:13] <Eickmeyer> I, for the life of me, cannot figure out why csound is failing autopkgtests on s390x. *sigh*
[01:16] <vorlon> kc2bez[m]: hey so lubuntu-default-settings needs fixed to not depend on ttf-ubuntu-font-family; it also declares a Vcs-Git in debian/control that does not exist...
[06:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9 (impish-proposed/universe) [9.4.0-3ubuntu1 => 9.4.0-3ubuntu1.1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[06:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9-cross (impish-proposed/universe) [26ubuntu2 => 26ubuntu2.1] (no packageset) (sync)
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[06:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9-cross (focal-proposed/main) [21ubuntu5 => 21ubuntu6] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[08:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-9 [sync] (impish-proposed) [9.4.0-3ubuntu1.1]
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-9-cross [sync] (impish-proposed) [26ubuntu2.1]
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[08:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-9-cross [sync] (focal-proposed) [21ubuntu6]
[09:09] <kc2bez> vorlon: sorry I missed this earlier. I will try to get that fixed up later today.
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: samba (impish-proposed/main) [2:4.13.17~dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2:4.13.17~dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core, i386-whitelist)
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[15:06] <slyon> hey ubuntu-release! I'm wondering if it would be acceptable to upload a new bugfix release from the systemd-stable branch post feature freeze? (i.e. 249.11 that was released today: https://github.com/systemd/systemd-stable/releases/tag/v249.11)
[15:07] <seb128> juliank, hey, did you see my autopkgtest question the other day?
[15:11] <juliank> seb128: I was thinking about it and then forgot
[15:12] <seb128> juliank, I would at least report it so we don't forget about it, what's the bug tracker for that infra?
[15:12] <juliank> seb128: we have auto-package-testing on LP and ADT on Jira, depending on your mood
[15:12] <juliank> I really look at Jira
[15:12] <seb128> wfm, let me add a card there
[15:13] <juliank> One day people will come up with a new strategy to deal with bugs hopefully
[15:14] <seb128> juliank, In fact I don't seem to have the permissions needed to create a card on that board so I will go the LP way
[15:24] <seb128> juliank, reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1964618
[16:21] <vorlon> kc2bez: no worries - I actually already uploaded the package, but it's the dangling VCS reference that concerned me, I don't know if there's somewhere you want me to land this change as an MP?
[16:22] <vorlon> slyon: "stable branch" doesn't give sufficient info to know whether this would be acceptable or not; please judge it yourself against the freeze criteria to decide whether it needs to go through a FFe process or not (and if it does need an exception, that should be done via launchpad bugs)
[16:23] <slyon> vorlon: ack. thanks
[16:26] <rbasak> dbungert, vorlon: otto has uploaded to sid now, without the ~exp label. Syncing would be a no-change rebuild. Worth doing? I think otto would be more comfortable with it being in sync since he's not familiar with the edge case handling, and he does maintain the stable releases for us. So just to smooth things over I'd like to re-sync if you're OK with that.
[16:27] <dbungert> rbasak: I think that's a great idea
[16:27] <rbasak> (might need to wait for LP to catch up with Debian though as he's only just uploaded)
[16:27] <vorlon> rbasak: no objections to syncing it; could we get the current version migrated first? (why are all the arm64 autopkgtests failed?)
[16:27] <vorlon> yeah you need at least 6 hours before it's published in Debian
[16:29] <rbasak>  mariadb-test : Depends: mariadb-test-data (= 1:10.5.12-1build1) but 1:10.6.7-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[16:29] <rbasak> Let me look into that quickly.
[16:29] <vorlon> jbicha: hey, so seb128 has filed LP: #1964618 about some misleading test results causing regressions to enter the release pocket; while it is appropriate to make the code more defensive, this is a corner case no one ever thought of needing to defend against.  If it hasn't already been said, do NOT trigger tests with both migration-reference/0 and all-proposed
[16:30] <vorlon> jbicha: and there's the retry-autopkgtest-regressions command in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools which would make it more obvious that --no-proposed --all-proposed is nonsense
[16:33] <jbicha> vorlon: yes, I discussed the issue with Seb earlier and I understand
[16:34] <vorlon> jbicha: ok thanks, just making sure
[17:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: netplan.io (impish-proposed/main) [0.103-0ubuntu7.2 => 0.104-0ubuntu2~21.10.1] (core)
[17:55] <vorlon> huh kinda looking to me like the nzbget armhf binary is completely wrong for armhf
[17:55] <vorlon> -march=armv8[...]
[18:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: landscape-client (impish-proposed/main) [19.12-0ubuntu10 => 19.12-0ubuntu10.1] (ubuntu-server)
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[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: landscape-client (bionic-proposed/main) [18.01-0ubuntu3.5 => 18.01-0ubuntu3.6] (ubuntu-server)
[18:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (bionic-proposed/main) [22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~18.04.1 => 22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~18.04.2] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[18:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (focal-proposed/main) [22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~20.04.1 => 22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~20.04.2] (core, edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud)
[18:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (impish-proposed/main) [22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~21.10.1 => 22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~21.10.2] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[18:56] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: the cloud-init regression we detected during SRU verification related to the Oracle datasource config merges has been reverted and we have queued a fix with only that commit into unapproved queue for proposed. Do you know if you will have time today to review that supplemental upload of 22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~21.10.2 ?
[18:56] <blackboxsw> for bionic focal and impish
[18:57] <bdmurray> Sure I can do that.
[18:57] <blackboxsw> thanks a ton!
[19:08] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: All I see in the diff is a change to the changelog
[19:10] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: gb
[19:10] <blackboxsw> checking now
[19:16] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: sure enough please reject will correct this
[19:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (impish-proposed) [22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~21.10.2]
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (focal-proposed) [22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~20.04.2]
[19:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (bionic-proposed) [22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~18.04.2]
[20:19] <vorlon> fyi python3.10 has been uploaded to (prospectively) enable PIE.  It's blocked in -proposed pending some additional benchmarking, but it should be filling the autopkgtest queues shortly
[20:22] <sarnold> woot, thanks vorlon :)
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gramps (impish-backports/universe) [5.1.4-1~bpo21.10.1 => 5.1.5-1~bpo21.10.1] (no packageset)
[20:25] <blackboxsw> hrm, I've definitely botched something uniquely bdmurray the upload I proposed to jammy also contained the same empty diff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/590178070/cloud-init_22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~22.04.1_22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~22.04.2.diff.gz
[20:30] <vorlon> configure:7077: error: size of time_t is 4, which is not large enough to fix the y2k38 bug
[20:30] <vorlon> hahahahaha
[20:33] <sarnold> cute
[20:34] <vorlon> apparently Debian removed the armhf pdns-recursor binary rather than setting -D_TIME_BITS=64 <shrug>
[20:35] <vorlon> either way seems a silly thing for a DNS server in 2022 to be worrying about excessively
[20:37] <sarnold> oh, my pals ;)
[20:41] <sarnold> vorlon: https://github.com/PowerDNS/pdns/pull/10933  has the context in case you're curious :)
[20:41] <vorlon> good good
[20:42] <vorlon> of course, my only interest in this particular package is NBS removal, so I'm not going to patch it
[20:42] <sarnold> heh :(
[20:43] <sarnold> it might be for the best, they maintain builds pretty well
[20:52] <vorlon> when the autopkgtests for a mediawiki theme take longer than those for slurm...
[20:55] <vorlon> kanashiro: do you know anything about ruby-bcrypt-pbkdf still depending on libruby2.7 in release? seems to be the last blocker for ruby2.7 removal
[20:55] <vorlon> oh you do know something as you've retriggered the autopkgtests several times ;)
[20:56] <kanashiro> vorlon, this is the issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vagrant/+bug/1964025
[20:56] <vorlon> oho
[20:56] <kanashiro> I talked earlier today with schopin and I am working on it
[20:56] <vorlon> ok cool
[20:57] <vorlon> adding a task for the affected package so it's findable from update_excuses
[20:57] <kanashiro> we need to migrate ruby-net-ssh to openssl 3 by our own basically, a big patch
[20:57] <kanashiro> trying to get some help from upstream as well
[20:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gramps (focal-backports/universe) [5.1.4-1~bpo20.04.1 => 5.1.5-1~bpo20.04.1] (edubuntu)
[20:58] <kanashiro> task for ruby-bcrypt-pbkdf added
[20:59] <vorlon> actually I'm also going to run a migration-proposed/0 test because I wonder if ruby-net-ssh is broken in release now that ruby3.0 has migrated
[20:59] <vorlon> doesn't change the priority of the bug but maybe we should just let ruby-bcrypt-pbkdf migrate
[21:01] <kanashiro> vorlon, it is broken because openssl 3 is in the release pocket
[21:02] <kanashiro> vagrant in the release pocket is also broken
[21:02] <vorlon> well, previous baseline retest did succeed
[21:02] <vorlon> if this one fails, ruby-bcrypt-pbkdf will migrate
[21:03] <kanashiro> makes sense, thanks
[21:31] <vorlon> coreycb: subscribing you to LP: #1836142 which is still stalled because of reverse-dependencies of ceilometer in the archive; those need updated or someone needs to make a call that they should also be removed, and say so on the bug.
[21:32] <coreycb> vorlon: thanks, I
[21:32] <coreycb> I'll take a look
[22:21] <kc2bez> vorlon: TYVM for uploading that. We have that in our phabricator instance. Don't worry about a MP, I will do a pull-lp-source and merge your changes in. I will make sure to get vcs updated before the next upload.
[22:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (bionic-proposed/main) [22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~18.04.1 => 22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~18.04.2] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
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[22:40] <blackboxsw> I may have missed my window for review bdmurray, but I went back to the drawing board. Thx bryce for pointing out I had mangled my quilt 3.0 format  and not included any quilt patches. Thanks falcojr for review on those branches too.
[22:40] <blackboxsw> cloud-init diffs should now actually contain the quilt patch
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: sndio [amd64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.8.1-1.1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
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[23:19] <vorlon> yuck, mariadb-10.3 NBS binaries in jammy-proposed
[23:24] <vorlon> RikMills, LocutusOfBorg: why does akonadi depend on mariadb*-10.5 instead of the unversioned metapackages?
[23:29] <vorlon> kanashiro: yeah ruby-net-ssh is broken in release and ruby-bcrypt-pbkdf has migrated
[23:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: sndio [riscv64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.8.1-1.1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[23:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sndio [riscv64] (jammy-proposed) [1.8.1-1.1]


[00:08] <dobey> mariogrip: not for me. mailit-server and unity8-dash are constantly aborting/restarting. i can't even use ssh to get in, as the cpu is so overloaded. yes it's the images from ubports
[00:09] <dobey> mariogrip: and the stable channel seems to not have the latest updates. seems to be an image from november still
[00:12] <mariogrip> dobey: you can start adb at boot so you can use adb shell, download these three files: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mariogrip/Ubuntu-touch/fp2/ and run adb-install while the phone is in recovery mode
[00:13] <mariogrip> I will take a look at the stable images, I don't down a n5 myself so I cannot debug
[00:13] <mariogrip> own*
[00:16] <dobey> mariogrip: adb is running. the problem is that the cpu is so overloaded it is simply impossible to use
[00:16] <dobey> the best i could do was adb reboot bootloader
[00:16] <dobey> whoopsie has uploaded crash reports about it though
[00:16] <dobey> but i suspect they won't be fixed
[00:17] <dobey> becuase it's an n5 :(
[00:17] <mariogrip> dobey: oh, I see. could you send the syslog? (/var/log/)
[00:18] <dobey> well no, it's been replaced now as i reflashed back to stable
[00:19] <mariogrip> dobey: oh, ok. I will see if I get stable to update
[00:20] <dobey> the problem is a qFatal() message being used in the qt mir backend
[00:20] <dobey> seems mir isn't starting or something, and so everything that needs mir just aborts when it starts
[00:21] <dobey> and upstart restarts them ad infinium
[00:21] <dobey> or something does
[00:21] <mariogrip> the problem with stable is that I use fetch ubuntu images from the generic device, and that haven't been updated
[00:21] <dobey> mariogrip: oh, it'd be better to follow "mako" i think
[00:21] <dobey> mariogrip: the tasemnice server was following mako for the hammerhead images before
[00:22] <dobey> mariogrip: and deb was following the flo images
[00:22] <dobey> maybe the generic image is causing the problems
[00:22] <dobey> as rc-proposed on my mako seems pretty fine
[00:23] <mariogrip> dobey: the ubuntu part should be the same on all devices
[00:23] <mariogrip> it's the device part that is device specific
[00:24] <mariogrip> updating sable now, hopes this does not break everything
[00:24] <mariogrip> stable*
[00:25] <adfad666> I get strange build errors, like "system/core/include/cutils/jstring.h:32:35: error: unknown type name ‘char16_t’" is it true I have to downgrade from 15.10?
[00:26] <mariogrip> adfad666: is it aosp you are building?
[00:26] <dobey> i don't think it matters what version of ubuntu you are compiling on
[00:27] <dobey> if you think it matters, then create a 14.04 lxc and try to build inside it instead
[00:27] <adfad666> I synced the 5.1.1 branches for Xperia devices
[00:27] <mariogrip> dobey: it may do, 16.04 uses a newer version of toolchain and sutch
[00:27] <mariogrip> adfad666: have you tried the prebuild build tools?
[00:27] <dobey> adfad666: i think if you're trying to build 5.1.1 that is the problem. ubuntu currently only really builds against 4.4
[00:28] <mariogrip> dobey: no, you can build with 5.1, I uses that for fairphone and opo
[00:29] <mariogrip> some devices does not support 4.4
[00:29] <adfad666> not tried any different tools, I just synced, updated devices repos and tried building :)
[00:29] <dobey> mariogrip: oh; would be nice to switch to 5.1.1 for hammerhead too if possible
[00:29] <mariogrip> dobey: if i only had a debug device :)
[00:30] <dobey> mariogrip: well if i could get the kernel to build, i'd do it myself; but i have not had luck trying to follow the porting guide, and haven't had time to deal with it any further
[00:30] <mariogrip> adfad666: what repo are you using?
[00:30] <mariogrip>  /manifest
[00:30] <adfad666> https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=aosp/platform/manifest.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/personal/w-ondra/xperia_5.1.1_r5
[00:35] <adfad666> mariogrip: what's the link to the prebuilt tools you mentioned?
[00:35] <mariogrip> adfad666: it seems to try to use the toolchain on your system, is it host or target it fails on?
[00:36] <mariogrip> adfad666: you can try to revert this: https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=aosp/platform/build.git;a=commit;h=5d12887a23119a5bc2af047a494d06bcf111255e
[00:37] <mariogrip> that's in the build folder
[00:37] <adfad666> host fails, specifically: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8861464
[00:37] <adfad666> but i'll try that revert
[00:38] <dobey> mariogrip: would also be cool if ubports.com enabled the broadcast push notification too :)
[00:41] <mariogrip> dobey: Isn't that enabled by default?
[00:42] <dobey> mariogrip: i don't know. i don't recall ever seeing a notification on my nexus 5, even when rc-proposed was working for me
[00:43] <dobey> mariogrip: i guess you might need a token from the push server to be able to send the broadcast to it perhaps; not quite sure how that works
[00:43] <dobey> i suppose without a token, anyone could send broadcast notifications to everyone, and that wouldn't be nice at all
[00:44] <mariogrip> dobey: oh, I though it was just the client that has a con that checked the server
[00:44] <mariogrip> cron*
[00:44] <dobey> mariogrip: no. it's a push notification from the server
[00:45] <dobey> twitter and maybe gmail are the only things that poll, afaik
[00:45] <mariogrip> dobey: I have't seen that in the code of the system-server server, I need to look into that
[00:46] <prova> hi, is it possible to install whatsapp on an bq Aquaris e4.5 with ubuntu-touch?
[00:46] <dobey> mariogrip: ah. i wonder if it's in the system-image-server code; if it's not obvious, maybe we'll have to ping the people that implemented it on monday and see
[00:46] <dobey> prova: whatsapp say no
[00:47] <adfad666> That revert seems to have done the trick
[00:47] <mariogrip> adfad666: :)
[00:48] <prova> anybody tried to install whatsapp someway, with an android emulator on ubuntu-touch maybe...??I'm not an expert.
[00:48] <dobey> prova: if you want to see whatsapp available for ubuntu phones, you need to tell their support that you want it
[00:48] <prova> already done.)
[00:49] <adfad666> I thought 'no whatsapp' was a feature
[00:49] <dobey> to use whatsapp on android, you must consciously install it
[00:50] <dobey> so i don't see how not having it available could be considered a "feature"
[00:50] <dobey> my nokia 3310 doesn't have whatsapp either
[00:50] <dobey> but it also hasn't got bluetooth, wifi, 4g, and all manner of other things :)
[00:51] <prova> I would apprecaite an "expert" voice saying "no it's not possible" so I did not even try. There's this site taht I think it's a fake now ... http://www.whatsappfor.org/whatsapp-for-ubuntu/whatsapp-ubuntu/ , may someone tell me about that too?
[00:52] <dobey> prova: no, there is no whatsapp for ubuntu. the only ones who can make whatsapp for ubuntu are whatsapp themselves
[00:52] <prova> dobey_ thanks for the answer:)
[00:52] <dobey> that web site is apparently some thing for pidgin, and it's very plusible that whatsapp have banned it, and anyone who they found using it
[00:53] <prova> nothing written there is really working, nothing to download, not any command workin...
[00:53] <mariogrip> we need a petition :)
[00:54] <dobey> and the android and ubuntu security models don't mesh well. so even if you managed to create a .click package with an android emulator that worked on top of mir, and included whatsapp, and it actually worked, you could only use the app whilst it was actually running, so you would have none of the notifications or other features essential to the app that require it to run in the background
[00:54] <dobey> so while not entirely impossible, it is not feasible
[00:55] <mariogrip> also an emulator would be damn slow
[00:55] <mariogrip> at least if every android app would use there own emulator
[00:56] <dobey> it would be slow even with only one app, i'm sure
[00:56] <prova>  my mom used already ubuntu,so ubuntutouch was a good idea as a smartphone for her, but I'm sure she will want to use Whatsapp too...
[00:57] <dobey> prova: use telegram instead?
[00:57] <mariogrip> might be able to hook into the already "on hardware" running android somehow and get usable  performance
[00:57] <mariogrip> prova: telegram is pretty awesome! give it a try
[00:58] <dobey> mariogrip: the android container in ubuntu is extremely minimal. it wouldn't really be useful in this case, as there's no dalvik/surfaceflinger/etc
[00:58] <prova> it will be difficult to me to make people use Telegram, I can't ask that to my mom really...:)
[00:58] <mariogrip> as said, we cannot do much about it, it's an closed source application so whatsapp need to port it
[01:00] <prova> ok, I understood. Anyway Telegram misses the "camera & photo share " , any "other app" or  "messaging app" who let you share photo/videos too
[01:00] <mariogrip> It does support that!
[01:01] <prova> ah ok thanks, I was not sure about that
[01:01] <mariogrip> it even has stickers :)
[01:02] <mariogrip> dobey: you might be able with some work to get art/dalvik/sf working form the ubuntu side, or maybe add those things to the android part
[01:04] <mariogrip> well, I would much more like to use a native ubuntu touch app
[01:05] <dobey> mariogrip: well if you're going to add them to the android container, you might as well just install android at that point
[01:05] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah
[01:06] <dobey> prova: you can send photos and videos in telegram; maybe not voice though, i don't know if it has voice support or not
[01:06] <mariogrip> voice too :)
[01:08] <dobey> but the real question now is, what should i do about dinner
[01:08] <prova> mariogrip:thanks for your help  ,but I do not even know what  art/dalvik/sf are:)  I'm not an expert. A basic "whatsapp messenger" in ubuntutouch would be great, just to tell everybody to use Telegram if voice is working too.
[01:09] <mariogrip> and telegram is free, it does not just have a year trail
[01:09] <prova> bye
[01:09] <dobey> well, whatsapp actively bans people using third party clients
[01:09] <dobey> so there's that
[01:10] <prova>  whatsapp is " free " too now, life time. so it will not easy that people stop to use it...
[01:11] <mariogrip> dobey: I had some nice cooked cod for dinner
[01:11] <dobey> it is not free (libre) it is free (gratis)
[01:11] <mariogrip> https://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/iphone/30060258
[01:11] <prova> yes, I really know Telegram is bettee
[01:11] <mariogrip> "there is an annual subscription fee of $0.99 USD"
[01:13] <dobey> mariogrip: did hammerhead stable build btw?
[01:13] <dobey> it did!
[01:13] <mariogrip> yeah
[01:13] <k1l_> they dropped the fee after they were bought by facebook
[01:13] <dobey> lets see if it explodes too
[01:13] <dobey> because zuck is such a giving person
[01:13] <prova> and after the first year  it becomes "lifetime",I suppose it is so,am i right?
[01:13] <mariogrip> k1l_: oh, i see paid by mark zuckerberg
[01:14] <k1l_> dobey: oh yes. and he just wants all your data for that :)
[01:14] <dobey> seriously. the fbi should obviously just go to him instead of apple, because all the conversation was probably on whtasapp anyway
[01:15] <prova> tahnks to all for the support, bye really this time
[01:15] <mariogrip> bye
[01:16] <mariogrip> issn't there a webapp for whatsapp?
[01:17] <dobey> i don't think it works in the browser, and you need the whatsapp actual app to sign in
[01:17] <dobey> because it sends you a whatsapp message with a one-time passcode probably
[01:18] <mariogrip> oh
[01:18] <mariogrip> I wonder how much microsoft paid for the whatsapp port...
[01:18] <dobey> sigh
[01:21] <dobey> where the heck did the revision option go for ubuntu-device-flash
[01:23] <mariogrip> dobey: did you add "touch" before --revision=?
[01:23] <dobey> yes
[01:23] <dobey> ubuntu-device-flash --server http://system-image.ubports.com/ touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable --revision 2
[01:23] <dobey> unknown flag `revision'
[01:23] <mariogrip> hum... it worked for me
[01:24] <dobey> what version of phablet-tools?
[01:25] <mariogrip> 1.2+16.04.20160219.1-0ubuntu1
[01:26] <dobey> ugh, an old broken version is in the sdk release ppa :-/
[01:27] <dobey> mariogrip: btw, the stable image is busted too, in the same way :(
[01:28] <mariogrip> dobey: oh god, letme see if the opo is the same
[01:29] <dobey> mariogrip: it's weird that mako and the bq phones don't have this problem :-/
[01:29] <mariogrip> yeah, it is
[01:30] <dobey> and i take it the bootsplash isn't running under mir, but doing some other grpahical thing :-/
[01:30] <dobey> so why the heck is mir not running
[01:32] <dobey> and why are maliit and unity8 the only things blowing up
[01:32] <mariogrip> that's the same thing that is happening on the opo
[01:32] <mariogrip> do you have the syslog?
[01:33] <dobey> oh, well at least it's not only the hammerhead then
[01:33] <dobey> i guess it's the same thing mhall119 was complaining about last week on freephone too
[01:33] <dobey> mariogrip: i don't. adb wouldn't even find the device this time
[01:33] <dobey> well, maybe i have the syslog if it got rotated
[01:34] <dobey> nope, no rotated syslog :(
[01:34] <mariogrip> you can find syslogs from recovery
[01:34] <dobey> well i reflashed back to image #2
[01:34] <mariogrip> in /data/system-data/var/log
[01:34] <mariogrip> oh ok
[01:35] <mariogrip> maybe that's why the generic device has stopped...
[01:35] <dobey> i think the emulator images (generic device) don't get much attention
[01:36] <dobey> anyway, i should go find food
[01:36] <dobey> and get some sleep
[01:36] <prova> I have read "http://askubuntu.com/questions/333850/how-to-install-whatsapp" ,it would be useful  to "WhatsApp On Ubuntu 14.04 Using Genymotion " as written in the guide. May someone give me more info on "genymotion", how to download an image from there? it seems to me it costs a lot.
[01:36] <mariogrip> it's 02:40 here, so i probably need to sleep to...
[01:37] <dobey> prova: you can't use whatsapp on ubuntu phone. stop wasting your time trying to find answers on the internet that give you hope. it's not feasible to do it
[01:37] <dobey> anyway, must go
[01:37] <dobey> later :)
[01:40] <prova> It was not in ubuntuphone, it was 14.04 ubuntu desktop. It would be more then enough to have whatsapp in a desktop.
[01:42] <prova> mariogrip : did you try to do that?? I mean "WhatsApp On Ubuntu 14.04 Using Genymotion ",anyone has tried that?
[01:43] <mariogrip> I haven't, I don't use whatsapp. Maybe it will work, I don't know
[01:44] <mariogrip> But then it would be the same as the webapp because you still need a phone to login
[01:55] <prova> amriogrip: you have to insert a code that can will be sended to your phone(into virtualbox-genymotion) ,you will receive the sms with code in your android phone. Then you will be verified. My whatsapp on my android phone works also if I remove my sim card, it only needs wifi I believe once it has been verified. So you will have whatsapp only in ubuntu 14.04 at the end,but you can use ubuntutouch with your sim.  Just my idea, it'
[09:47] <adfad666> I built my images, I flashed boot.img and installed via "rootstock-touch-install xenial-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz system.img" am I doing it right?
[09:47] <adfad666> unfortunately my device doesn't get past the bootloader splash screen :/
[10:19] <vitimiti> Is there a way to remove applications' data from an Ubuntu touch? I have uninstalled preinstalled applications like Cut The Rope Free in the BQ Aquaris 4.5, but if I go to the used disk space, I can see it's still using 30,7MB of my memory and I can't seem to tell the phone to delete it, and I have others like that
[11:26] <mcphail> vitimiti: Some applications come as part of the system image. "Uninstalling" those just hides them, rather than deleting them (I think). If you were very keen, you could make your root filesystem writable and go in and remove them manually, but it wouldn't free up any more space in the user partition
[11:27] <vitimiti> I see, mcphail, thank you
[11:27] <mcphail> vitimiti: You can also clear out data in ~/.cache, ~/.local etc
[11:27] <vitimiti> I still have more than 3GB free, anyway
[11:27] <vitimiti> Yeah, I did that with Cut The Rope Free, but it still appears there, so I guess that's in the root
[11:28] <mcphail> yep. I think you can delete it as above, but it will probably come back with the next system update
[11:30] <vitimiti> Thanks, mcphail
[15:01] <Guest46258> sorry im kinda slow in the head and fingers
[15:04] <Guest46258> have downloaded ubuntu 14.04.4 lts.  when trying to install get message about not root file.  re"make" themquesting me to establish partitions.  im totally lost as to what they are and how to
[15:06] <Guest46258> happy to have ubuntu as only os on this computer.  upgrade to windows 10 a disaster
[15:07] <Guest46258> is anybody reading this?  or am i takling to myself?
[15:08] <peat-psuwit> Guest46258: Do you mean Ubuntu on computer, right? I think you should #ubuntu chennel instead.
[15:08] <peat-psuwit> This channel is about running Ubuntu on phones
[15:08] <Guest46258> thanks ill try that
[16:13] <n-iCe> hi guys, read you guys will support the z1 xperia?
[16:51] <mimecar> hi
[16:59] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: Fairphone 2 has 2 sim slots, right? Does it use VSID?
[17:06] <_Sponge> peat-psuwit: You can fund it too ! https://devices.ubports.com/#/FP2
[17:35] <maszlo> amazon sent me the shipping update that my nexus 7 2013 gets here tomorrow. anticipation of voiding a warranty :D
[17:38] <maszlo> my tablet useage will go from 2012 technology to 2013!  its still amazing to me that tab 2 7.0 i have can run 6.0.1 nicely.
[17:41] <maszlo> i really hope this is not an issue, but do not need to run unity correct? i have been very happy with gnome 3 on my installations.
[18:19] <labsin> Anyone tried/could try the deezer scope in the store?
[18:23] <mimecar> what do you need labsin ?
[18:24] <labsin> mimecar: if it loads OK and looks good. Just general impression (I only have unity8 desktop and that doesn't work great)
[18:25] <mimecar> scope from Sam Segers?
[18:26] <labsin> Yes
[18:28] <mimecar> there is not info on the scope
[18:28] <mimecar> I've checked with Pop music and the scope is empty
[18:29] <labsin> mimecar: Just a white screen?
[18:30] <mimecar> yes, scope name, favorite icon and search appear
[18:31] <mimecar> and music categories, but not info
[18:31] <labsin> Also without a department? Probably to do with the golang cross building. It works on amd64
[18:31] <mimecar> I'm using an aquaris e4.5
[18:32] <mimecar> I can upload a screenshot if you need it
[18:32] <labsin> Thank you. I'll unpublish it immediately.
[18:32] <mimecar> ok, tell me if you need other tests
[18:33] <labsin> No need. Maybe the logs if you can read them?
[18:33] <labsin> If you grep -r deezer from .config it should pop up the right file.
[18:36] <anpok> hm
[18:37] <mimecar> Give me some minutes
[18:37] <anpok> it works here
[18:37] <mimecar> anpok, do you see info on the scope?
[18:39] <anpok> info .. as in .. unofficial deezer scope .. browse music play song .. but now not anymore
[18:41] <mimecar> labsin, grep shows info on child-scopes.json
[18:42] <labsin> anpok: yes I pulled it from the store. Was it showing artists in the scope?
[18:45] <anpok> yes .. and album covers
[18:46] <mimecar> what's your device anpok ?
[18:46] <anpok> but only with search terms
[18:46] <anpok> mx4
[18:46] <mimecar> I've used categories selection only
[18:46] <anpok> i first thought i could just browse random stuff by using the categories..
[18:47] <anpok> but it never pulled anything
[18:47] <mimecar> you're right
[18:47] <mimecar> it works if you use search function
[18:47] <anpok> i wonder why it does not show results inside the music scope
[18:47] <anpok> since it does seem to integrate with it..
[18:49] <labsin> anpok: I haven't yet integrated that. The docs say there are currently only 2 aggregators (today and news)
[18:50] <anpok> oh ok .. because there is a config menu where I can select other scopes to work inside the music scope...
[18:51] <anpok> so that setting does nothing right now?
[18:51] <labsin> OK. So it loads fine, only not showing anything in surfacing mode.
[18:52] <mimecar> labsin, can you do the play / stop buttons bigger?
[18:52] <labsin> anpok: it should return the same as the scope itself (which is not working)
[18:52] <labsin> No the buttons are defined by Ubuntu
[18:53] <mimecar> ok
[18:53] <labsin> So it's playing fine? (The 30s preview)
[18:54] <mimecar> yes
[18:57] <labsin> Thank
[19:02] <vthompson> Is anyone else who freshly installed landing silo #50 experiencing the scopes scope/dash repeatedly crash at startup?
[19:17] <vthompson> Ok, it seems after rebooting a few times the unity8-dash decided to start up
[19:42] <amazoniantoad> Is there a fork of ubuntu touch for desktops?
[19:43] <mimecar> you can run an image on desktop
[19:44] <amazoniantoad> yes
[19:44] <amazoniantoad> oh
[19:44] <amazoniantoad> You made me feel dumb :c
[19:45] <amazoniantoad> ILL SUE YOU
[19:45] <amazoniantoad> jk
[19:45] <amazoniantoad> Thanks for making me realize the obvious
[19:45] <mimecar> :p
[19:45] <amazoniantoad> I wish there was a project for the galaxy s4 active :/
[19:46] <amazoniantoad> Whoever started on the project quit
[20:18] <newkirk> so I've downloaded phablet and android source trees.  where do I go from here?
[22:06] <jamie2> how do i revert from make 4.0 to make 3.82 or 3.81
[22:21] <jamie2> im not sure who it was that told me you could build on ubuntu 15.10 but apparently you cant downgrade make to 3.82 or 3.81 on 15.10 at all which means you cant build
[22:22] <k1l> is this ubuntu-touch related?
[22:23] <jamie2> yes
[22:23] <jamie2> im trying to make a port for ubuntu-touch for the z3c but cant due to i am on wily and apparently you cannot revert make the 3.82 on wily
[22:45] <jamie2> i force installed make 3.82
[22:54] <k1l> jamie2: seems like most buildingmachines run 14.04. i can hardly find something about that issue.
[22:54] <jamie2> i just did a force install of make 3.82-81
[22:55] <jamie2> since there is no "supported way" to change to make 3.81-82
[22:55] <k1l> did you try to build with the stop disabled?
[22:56] <jamie2> no, gonna try this first
[22:57] <jamie2> if this does not i will then change back to 4.0 and remove the check
[23:05] <jamie2> k1l: i forced the .deb and installed jdk6 so far so good
[23:06] <jamie2> only issue i might have now is i might have messed up the aries setup
[23:06] <jamie2> and if i do its going to be in the display
[23:16] <mcphail> jamie2: might have got lost in the freenode network hiccough, but there are safer ways to run old versions of make
[23:17] <jamie2> mcphail: i know, but i dont have the knowledge to build make myself
[23:17] <mcphail> jamie2: you can simply extract the binary from the .deb and put it under ~/bin/
[23:17] <jamie2> well so far it seems to be going well
[23:18] <mcphail> jamie2: use "dpkg -x package.deb ." to extract to current directory. Forcing dpkg to install something is often going to end in tears
[23:18] <jamie2> mcphail: yea I know but its not very hard to fix it
[23:18] <jamie2> just do a fresh install of make
[23:19] <mcphail> jamie2: you'd be surprised. Fortunately, make is quite benign in its dependencies.
[23:19] <jamie2> i broke make awhile back when i was working on firefox os and was able to fix it by purging make and doing a fresh install
[23:37] <jamie2> mcphail: well at least its a good sign that the compile is still going and hasn't failed yet


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[05:04] <lawrence> Hi all
[05:05] <lawrence> I just installed edubuntu 14.04 on a new amd64 pc for a school.
[05:06] <lawrence> The install went without a hitch but the client, a Dell optiplex boots to where its negotiating what seems to be packet size with the server, then goes to a blank screen where it freezes
[05:07] <lawrence> I am quite honestly stumped. Also, based on a previous LTSP irc discussion it was recommended that I install ltsp-manager. apt0get is unable to locate the package. Any help is appreciated. Thanks
[05:11] <lawrence> says Negotiation: ..size-512MB (Clears before I could catch the rest.


[02:09] <jose> pleia2: I'm sorry for such a delay, but I'm posting beta2 announcement now
[02:16] <Unit193> 1
[02:25] <jose> typo
[02:25] <jose> well, published now
[06:39] <dholbach> good morning
[15:58] <pleia2> jose: thanks for taking care of that :)


[13:21] <Ilavenil> Hey
[13:22] <Ilavenil> I've been away for more than a year, so dropping in to see what's up
[13:22] <Ilavenil> Anyone from India?
[13:23] <Ilavenil> #ubuntu


[07:20] <nthykier> ttx: Thanks for sending the job offer. While I am interested, I do not feel I am ready to fulfil the requirements. Should a similar opportunity come later I would definitely like to hear about it :)
[07:21] <ttx> nthykier: you're welcome, just wanted to make sure you knew about it :)
[07:22] <nthykier> ttx: where are they posted?
[07:23] <ttx> nthykier: I'm not sure they were posted yet
[07:23]  * ttx checks
[07:23] <ttx> nthykier: no, not yet.
[07:24] <nthykier> okay - but where would I check for job offers like this, in case you are not here to forward it?
[07:24] <ttx> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/
[07:25] <persia> That's never a complete list, because lots of folks hiring for that sort of work don't post there.
[07:30] <nthykier> it can't hurt to have a look
[07:31] <persia> No.  It's a good resource.  Just wanted to make sure the logs reflected that there are generally also other sources of leads for work on Ubuntu (although I could wish that everyone forwarded their requests to one place)
[10:41] <slytherin> bdrung: Are you already working on FFe for eclipse?
[10:44] <bdrung> slytherin: i haven't filed the FFe, because lucene2 is not yet synced
[10:44] <bdrung> slytherin: you can request the FFe if you want
[10:44] <slytherin> bdrung: You might as well file FFe. It will take time before it gets received. You can safely assume lucene2 will be synced by then.
[10:46] <slytherin> bdrung: Or you may want to directly discuss with ubuntu-release team before filing FFe.
[10:49] <bdrung> slytherin: i am off this day and back tonight
[10:50] <slytherin> bdrung: Take your time. But in my opinion you are the best person for this job.
[10:59] <bdrung> slytherin: filed bug 544075; will add the missing bits once i am back
[11:01] <slytherin> bdrung: Subscribed to the bug. Will keep watch.
[11:59] <kline> hi
[12:01] <kline> j'aimerai savoir comment lire des données sur un socketchannel
[12:03] <kline> how to read the data on socketchannel


[15:29] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[15:30] <cpaelzer> hi didrocks sarnold doko ddstreet jamespage
[15:30] <ddstreet> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:31] <cpaelzer> we had none
[15:31] <sarnold> good morning
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> There is one interesting thinghere which is rpm->lua5.2
[15:32] <cpaelzer> I happen t know that lua5.2 was demoted as the last dependency was removed
[15:33] <cpaelzer> that was some server component and we didn't want to have multiple lua versions
[15:33] <cpaelzer> but now we have rpm in main
[15:33] <cpaelzer> which - to make it worse - is listed as unsubscribed
[15:33] <cpaelzer> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html
[15:33] <cpaelzer> anyone feelig responsible for rpm ?
[15:33] <cpaelzer> sounds foundation'ish ... doko ?
[15:35] <cpaelzer> debhelper - debugedit -> librpmio9 it is
[15:35] <cpaelzer> so it would be foundations then
[15:35] <cpaelzer> doko: once you are around consider how you want to resolve
[15:36] <cpaelzer> if you want to just promote lua5.2 please subscribe foundations to it, MIR wise it is ready (as it was in main all the time)
[15:36] <cpaelzer> I see nothing else critical/new in there
[15:36] <cpaelzer> does one of you have a comment to mismatches ?
[15:36] <sarnold> none from me
[15:37] <cpaelzer> ok let us go on ...
[15:37] <cpaelzer> this is the time when these meetings can be short :-)
[15:37] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:37] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:37] <cpaelzer> empty list
[15:37] <cpaelzer> \o/
[15:37] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:37] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:37] <cpaelzer> the latest is octavia which was recently discussed
[15:37] <cpaelzer> between jamespage and sarnold
[15:38] <cpaelzer> I've marked it as incomplete to reflect the current state
[15:38] <cpaelzer> once that is improved resolved it can entr review again
[15:38] <cpaelzer> thanks sarnold btw for the effort on checking and discussing this
[15:38] <doko> sorry for being late ...
[15:38] <cpaelzer> np doko
[15:38] <cpaelzer> looking up - opinions on rpm/lua5.2 ?
[15:39] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:39] <cpaelzer> we are generally done, let us wait a bit for doko to consume the backlog
[15:40] <doko> rpm: subscribed foundations. probably only for hirsute. debugedit got split out to it's own source and will have a first release soon
[15:40] <sarnold> nice
[15:40] <cpaelzer> ok, I'll leave it to you then
[15:41] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:41] <cpaelzer> overall that is it for today, as promised not much content
[15:41] <cpaelzer> I guess we can give everyone 15 minutes back or is there anything else to discuss for today?
[15:42] <sarnold> I've got nothing
[15:42] <doko> lua5.2: got demoted this cycle. I guess we can promote it again
[15:43] <cpaelzer> yes that is what I said above, we (sever) demoted it as our last dependency has gone and at that time there was no other dependency
[15:43] <sarnold> will the debugedit split also let lua5.2 drop back out in itchy inchworm?
[15:43] <cpaelzer> now that it comes back all that it needs is a team that wants to own lua5.2
[15:43] <doko> sarnold: yes
[15:43] <sarnold> hooray :)
[15:43] <cpaelzer> sarnold: uuuh itchy - that isn't the name for real is it ?
[15:43] <doko> talking with debian rpm how/when to split it out
[15:43] <sarnold> cpaelzer: I sure hope not :)
[15:44] <cpaelzer> awesoe, then we can leave that rpm->* topic under your control doko
[15:44] <cpaelzer>   +m^
[15:44] <cpaelzer> well then, have a good day
[15:44] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:44:31 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-23-15.29.moin.txt
[15:44] <sarnold> woot ;) thanks cpaelzer, doko, ddstreet :)
[19:59] <mdeslaur> \o
[20:00] <rbasak> o/
[20:02] <utkarsh2102> \o/
[20:06] <rbasak> We need a third person to be nominally quorate I think?
[20:06] <mdeslaur> yeah
[20:07] <rbasak> I don't see anything in the agenda that's relevant apart from action items from people who aren't here.
[20:07] <mdeslaur> agreed
[20:07] <mdeslaur> shall we call it?
[20:07] <rbasak> I usually call it on the 10 minute mark.
[20:07] <mdeslaur> heh, ok :)
[20:08] <rbasak> Had to do something consistent with a previous DMB mostly being absent :-/
[20:08] <rbasak> (much better now)
[20:08] <sarnold> \o/
[20:08] <vorlon> hey
[20:08] <vorlon> sorry, running late here today
[20:09] <mdeslaur> hi vorlon
[20:10] <mdeslaur> looks like I'm backup chair
[20:10] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[20:10] <meetingology> Meeting started at 20:10:16 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[20:10] <mdeslaur> [topic] Apologies
[20:10] <mdeslaur> didn't see any
[20:10] <mdeslaur> [topic] Action review
[20:10] <mdeslaur> ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[20:10] <mdeslaur> paging Wimpress...

[20:11] <mdeslaur> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[20:11] <vorlon> all of my actions are carry-over :/
[20:12] <mdeslaur> ok, skipping the next ones, and sil2100 isn't here, so skipping those too
[20:12] <mdeslaur> ok, so...all carry-over
[20:12] <mdeslaur> [topic] Mailing list archive
[20:13] <mdeslaur> doesn't look like there's anything there since the last meeting
[20:13] <mdeslaur> [topic] Community bugs
[20:13] <mdeslaur> no open bugs
[20:13] <mdeslaur> [topic] AOB
[20:14] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have anything they would like to bring up?
[20:14] <vorlon> not here
[20:14] <vorlon> not me, I should say :)
[20:14] <mdeslaur> rbasak ?
[20:14] <rbasak> Nothing from me thanks
[20:15] <mdeslaur> [topic] Next chair
[20:15] <sil2100> o/
[20:15] <mdeslaur> sil2100, with cyphermox as backup
[20:15] <mdeslaur> hi sil2100!
[20:15] <sil2100> I was already chair though
[20:15] <mdeslaur> well, sure, but I did it :)
[20:15] <sil2100> Last meeting was chaired by me, any reason why it's me again? ;)
[20:15] <mdeslaur> oh, you didn't update the agenda on the wiki
[20:15] <sil2100> Anyway, sorry for being late
[20:15] <vorlon> right, that ;)
[20:16] <sil2100> Whoops!
[20:16] <sil2100> I knew I uh, forgot something :(
[20:16] <mdeslaur> sil2100: do you have any progress on your action items, or are they carry-over
[20:16] <sil2100> Sadly, carry-over - but the last one can be considered done I suppose
[20:16] <sil2100> Since I updated the processes
[20:17] <mdeslaur> this one? ACTION: sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle)
[20:17] <sil2100> Yes o/
[20:17] <mdeslaur> oh, good
[20:17] <mdeslaur> thanks, I'll remove it
[20:17] <sil2100> Thanks! ;)
[20:17] <mdeslaur> just for the record, where is the process documented? do you have a link?
[20:18] <mdeslaur> so next chair is cyphermox with rbasak as backup
[20:19] <rbasak> ack
[20:19] <sil2100> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess it's all part of this if anything
[20:19] <sil2100> Point 52 is basically it :)
[20:20] <mdeslaur> great, thanks
[20:20] <mdeslaur> sil2100: do you have anything else you'd like to discuss today?
[20:20] <mdeslaur> or anyone else?
[20:21] <sil2100> Nothing really! Again, sorry about being late, I got distracted!
[20:21] <mdeslaur> that's usually what happens to me :)
[20:21] <mdeslaur> ok, that's all folks
[20:21] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[20:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 20:21:43 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-23-20.10.moin.txt
[20:21] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone
[20:22] <sil2100> Thanks! o/
[20:22] <vorlon> thanks


[05:47] <JackYu> ypwong, hi
[05:47] <ypwong> JackYu, hi
[05:48] <JackYu> ypwong, 下午会议agenda是？
[05:48] <ypwong> JackYu, 过一下bug
[05:49] <ypwong> JackYu, 然后讨论15.04 工作计划？
[05:51] <JackYu> ypwong, 我们发现Unity 8 desktop可以跑一个原型了
[05:51] <JackYu> ypwong, OK
[06:55] <ypwong> JackYu, https://launchpad.net/folder-color
[06:55] <ypwong> should be something nice to have
[06:58] <JackYu> ypwong, interesting!
[07:10] <ypwong> https://launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+milestone/vivid-alpha2
[08:38] <happyaron> maclin: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/main.html
[08:38] <happyaron> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.html