[02:10] <felixjet> gimp 2.3.9 packed for ubuntu will works on kubuntu?
[02:10] <felixjet> or i need dl the sources?
[02:10] <chavo> rolando, it should work yes, but I've never set up ati
[02:10] <siefkencp> vge:??
[02:10] <rolando> chavo: but what is the command?
[02:11] <rolando> with glxgears or something like that
[02:11] <navaburo> Anyone get beryl working on kubuntu (kde) ?
[02:12] <rolando> navaburo: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/XGL
[02:12] <chavo> rolando, you cany try glxinfo
[02:12] <MidMark> mf_debian: I cannot remember the option to remove th bouncing icon... I'm sure that I've seen it before...
[02:12] <chavo> glxinfo | grep direct
[02:12] <navaburo> rolando, yes, and when I go beryl-manager i loose my window decorations and i have to ctrl-alt-bspace
[02:13] <rolando> navaburo: that is what happens to me now
[02:13] <rolando> but before it looked very cool
[02:13] <vge> siefkencp: not really sure yet, but ill can fix those errors
[02:13] <navaburo> any idea whats causing it?
[02:13] <rolando> you can also enter command kwin and you will not have to crtl+alt+backspace
[02:13] <rolando> not yet
[02:13] <siefkencp> vge: i know i used to take advantage of register_globals and got myself in trouble when i pulled the php5 trigger so i had to turn it on again for a time
[02:14] <navaburo> ok, cool
[02:14] <mf_debian> MidMark: ok, i was sure it was visual feedback under mouse settings, but no dice, i really cant stand it
[02:14] <chavo> navaburo, do you have the shadows enabled when you run kwin?
[02:14] <vge> siefkencp: don't worry, i code php for a living :)
[02:15] <navaburo> chavo, i have not gotten anything to work. I dont get a manager or anything when i go beryl-manager. It just crashes the wm
[02:15] <chavo> vge, yuck :P
[02:15] <chavo> navaburo, kwin is working no?
[02:16] <siefkencp> vge: i used to... now im a 'manager' ive been working on learning c#.net for fun
[02:16] <felixjet> when i minimize sound programs to taskbar they dont continue playing music :S
[02:16] <MidMark> mf_debian: found
[02:16] <navaburo> chavo, what do you mean by "working"? should i run it?
[02:16] <siefkencp> its funny i still build stuff in php or python when i actually want it to work
[02:16] <chavo> yes try it
[02:16] <MidMark> have to open kcontrol -> look and feel -> applications start [similar]
[02:17] <vge> siefkencp: ya, php is fast for little things :-)
[02:17] <navaburo> chavo, well, i cant. My virtual consoles dont work, so i cant run anything outside x
[02:17] <chavo> navaburo, try hitting alt-f2 for the run box
[02:17] <chavo> it should get focus
[02:18] <navaburo> chavo, oh, kde is running fine now.. i dont need to kill it
[02:19] <navaburo> what i care more about is the fact that any shutdown from the gui crashes after killing the X session
[02:19] <navaburo> even before i installed beryl
[02:19] <navaburo> however, sudo poweroff works fine
[02:19] <navaburo> is there a sudo **** command for suspend/hibernate
[02:20] <MidMark> mf_debian: found?
[02:20] <chavo> I'm sure there's a commandline to run suspend, but I don't know it. I turn all that off anyway.
[02:21] <Frumpy> !boot
[02:21] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:21] <navaburo> chavo, turn off powermanagement? I am on a laptop so thats not a n option for me
[02:21] <navaburo> !suspend
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <siefkencp> vge: yeah i miss coding everyday...
[02:21] <chavo> navaburo, just stating that I don't know the command not suggesting you turn it off
[02:22] <Frumpy> !boot floppy
[02:22] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:22] <Frumpy> !install floppy
[02:22] <Frumpy> !floppy
[02:22] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[02:22] <navaburo> i am looking it up... i was just saying that it is a priority for me
[02:22] <Jucato> Frumpy: please /msg ubotu if you're not sure what you're looking for. thanks :)
[02:22] <mf_debian> MidMark: nah
[02:24] <Frumpy> is there a way to create a bootalble floppy install disk from the cdrom ?
[02:29] <Gecko> Frumpy: as far as I know, there are no install floppies for K/ubuntu
[02:29] <Gecko> Katapult is nice, by the way :)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> Jucato: got good news for now :)
[02:29] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yes? :)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> i think i will have frostwire .deb and .tar.gz today sometime for testing :)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> for edgy ;)
[02:30] <Jucato> that's great!!
[02:31] <Jucato> although I don't use them personally, someone in here has doing backflips to get it working :)
[02:32] <gnomefreak> once i figure out an easy way to get this together i can test than roll them out for testing :)
[02:32] <Jucato> kool!
[02:32] <Jucato> if you can promise that it will not totally hose down my purrrrfect system, I'm willing to test :P
[02:33] <gnomefreak> it wont thats why im testing first
[02:33] <gnomefreak> before i release the files
[02:34] <MidMark> mf_debian: no? open kcontrol -> look and feel (where to change themes) -> there is an entry only for that
[02:34] <Jucato> MidMark: what's he looking for?
[02:34] <MidMark> disable bouncing app icon when they start
[02:35] <mf_debian> you sir are a legend
[02:35] <MidMark> mf_debian: found?
[02:35] <Jucato> ah yeah
[02:35] <Jucato> it will be brought back to System Settings soonish probably...
[02:36] <mf_debian> yep, and turned off, i was just trying to use system settingsd
[02:36] <MidMark> Jucato: a lot of things are missing to system settings
[02:36] <MidMark> also kdm theme control
[02:36] <MidMark> I use a lot
[02:36] <Jucato> MidMark: no. you have to install kdmtheme for that
[02:36] <MidMark> done
[02:36] <Jucato> it's a separate package really.
[02:36] <MidMark> but it appears only in kcontrol
[02:36] <MidMark> really
[02:36] <MidMark> in dapper is ok, edgy not
[02:36] <Jucato> MidMark: really?
[02:37] <Jucato> let me try
[02:37] <BluesKaj> FF2.0 crashes when i try to play the video on this site ...FF played it ok with media wrap in it's previous release...wonder what the bug is ...anyone care to try this : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15021048/ snakes on a house!
[02:37] <MidMark> try try
[02:37] <mf_debian> it was godamn doing my head in, not so much the bouncing, but especially as it creates tearing in other windows
[02:37] <dude_> hello guys
[02:37] <dude_> jucato !
[02:37] <Jucato> dude_!!
[02:37] <andy> to avoid the ff2.0 crashn
[02:38] <andy> you should use this little script
[02:38] <andy> hang on
[02:38] <dude_> jucato: question, can i add edubuntu?
[02:38] <andy> export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1
[02:38] <andy> firefox
[02:38] <Jucato> MidMark: by golly you're right!! thanks for bringing that up
[02:38] <Jucato> dude_: whatever floats your boat :)
[02:38] <MidMark> Jucato: you are the mainteiner?
[02:38] <mf_debian> BluesKaj:  was ok for me
[02:39] <Jucato> MidMark: no. but I'll inform them.
[02:39] <dude_> jucato: :) i used sudo aptitude install -R edubuntu-desktop, but nothing happened
[02:39] <Jucato> MidMark: although really some of the modules not in System Settings were meant to be out. (Panel settings, File Management, Web Browsing, Wallet/Securit, etc)
[02:39] <Jucato> dude_: hm... let me check
[02:39] <BluesKaj> mf_debian, do youhave the "media wrap" xtn for FF?
[02:40] <MidMark> Jucato: in my opinion system settings should have evrything
[02:40] <MidMark> don't know why have to open kcontrol for something
[02:40] <MidMark> like the boucing icon
[02:40] <Jucato> MidMark: it shouldn't it's supposed to be a lightweight settings manager
[02:40] <mf_debian> BluesKaj: ah, no sorry, misread
[02:40] <Jucato> MidMark: Launch Feedback is one of those that were accidentally left out
[02:41] <Hawkwind> !info edubuntu-desktop
[02:41] <ubotu> edubuntu-desktop: edubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.19 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[02:41] <Jucato> MidMark: it was overlooked, but not intentional
[02:41] <MidMark> mf_debian: YOU HAVE RIGHT!
[02:41] <MidMark> ubuntu-minimal wasn't installed
[02:42] <mf_debian> MidMark: and kdm starts now?
[02:42] <Jucato> dude_: strange. it's supposed to be in main. did you check your spelling?
[02:42] <MidMark> mf_debian: wait for the check...
[02:42] <dude_> jucato: what happend?
[02:42] <MidMark> it's so stupid that the upgrade doesn't work very well
[02:42] <mf_debian> heh
[02:43] <mf_debian> cant get everything right
[02:43] <Jucato> MidMark: did you happen to install anything like XGL/Compiz, or anything from automatix, easyubuntu, etc?
[02:44] <dude_> jucato: what happend?
[02:44] <Jucato> dude_: what happened to what?
[02:45] <jel> dude_: i think he means that he just upgraded :)
[02:45] <Jucato> jel: nah. it means that Hoary has retired :)
[02:46] <dude_> jucato: why is it edubuntu is not included in the session section
[02:46] <berkes> hey there. Can anyone help me with a digital camera issue?
[02:46] <jel> Jucato: wish I could retire after a couple of ubuntu release cycles :)
[02:46] <berkes> I think my fstab is broken.
[02:47] <jel> berkes: why?
[02:47] <Jucato> dude_: hm... not sure.. :(
[02:47] <jel> brb
[02:47] <trym|work> I have a problem after upgrading to etch.. many apps like dia / rdesktop etc crashes with the following error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[02:47] <BluesKaj> andy the script didn't seem to work
[02:47] <dude_> The following packages have been kept back:
[02:47] <dude_>   gkrellm ktrack
[02:47] <berkes> jel: it mounts alright, but I see weird files. not the normal dirs and images,
[02:47] <Hawkwind> trym|work: You upgraded to Etch ?
[02:47] <Jucato> trym|work: etch?
[02:48] <trym|work> yup
[02:48] <berkes> but instead, I get dirs named 001 to 004 and a file 'devices'
[02:48] <Hawkwind> trym|work: Might join #Debian then and talk to them folks
[02:48] <Jucato> trym|work: shouldn't you be asking that in the Debian IRC
[02:48] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I think they moved out of freenode
[02:48] <berkes> yel looks like I have the wrong -type  flag in fstab or so
[02:48] <Hawkwind> Jucato: The channel is still here too though
[02:48] <Jucato> ah
[02:48] <trym|work> should I ?
[02:48] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Their official presence is on OFTC however
[02:48] <andy> i wrote it in antiflashcrash.sh, chmod it to execute and when i run ff that way it never crashes...
[02:48] <dude_> jucato: is this the command? "sudo aptitude install -R edubuntu-desktop"?
[02:49] <trym|work> wait
[02:49] <trym|work> sorry
[02:49] <Jucato> trym|work: yes you should
[02:49] <trym|work> edgy ;)
[02:49] <Hawkwind> trym|work: Yes, this is a Kubuntu channel, support for Debian is in #Debian
[02:49] <trym|work> I mix them up every time
[02:49] <trym|work> edgy.. not etch
[02:49] <Jucato> dude_: yes. but I'm not sure what option will be in the Sessions menu, as Edubuntu also uses GNOME...
[02:49] <trym|work> sorry, but you're stuck with me ;)
[02:50] <jel> berkes: When you mount what?
[02:50] <dude_> jucato: maybe the're using the same desktop
[02:50] <Jucato> yes
[02:50] <berkes> jel: its a camera. usb. it mounts when inserted.
[02:51] <jel> berkes: check if it has more than one partition on it
[02:51] <berkes> jel: how?
[02:51] <jel> berkes: something like cfdisk /dev/sda
[02:51] <Dasnipa`> mounts on insertion? seems backwards (sry bad joke)
[02:52] <Jucato> very bad joke :P
[02:52] <berkes> jel: hmm. this is even weirder. I just changed the fstab fystype to "auto" and remounted it as root.
[02:52] <berkes> then it works.
[02:52] <trym|work> anyone ?
[02:53] <trym|work> I have a problem after upgrading to EDGY.. many apps like dia / rdesktop etc crashes with the following error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[02:53] <Ayabara> I run kubuntu under vmware. after upgrading from dapper to edgy using apt it hangs somewhere during boot. :-( . any clever ways to solve this vague problem?
[02:54] <jel> berkes: what was the fstab before?
[02:54] <jel> *fstype
[02:54] <berkes> jel: i fiddled with it before, so I don't have a vanilla. but it had "usbfs"
[02:54] <berkes> it gets even weirder. Now that i changed te type to 'auto' I cannot mount it as user anymore
[02:55] <jel> berkes: ahh.
[02:55] <berkes> jel: any clue how I can make it user-mountable again?
[02:55] <jel> berkes: you want it to be vfat, not usbfs  in the options column, you should have user
[02:55] <mf_debian> MidMark: I added  a comment about ubuntu-minimal inn the bug report you mentioned earlier
[02:55] <Jucato> berkes: is it even supposed to have an fstab entry?
[02:56] <jel> berkes: also, if you mounted it as root, you'll have to remount as root, or umount, then mount as a user
[02:56] <Jucato> MidMark: did you check if kubuntu-desktop was installed before/when you upgraded?
[02:57] <jel> berkes: yep, you can probably just remove the fstab entry altogether, on an edgy system, if you don't mind your desktop deciding the mount point.
[02:57] <berkes> Jucato: I don't know.
[02:57] <jel> but personally, I find that madenning :)
[02:57] <berkes> jel: I know that, about mounting -re -un as root.
[02:57] <berkes> jel: I don't mind, no.
[02:57] <jel> ok :)
[02:58] <jel> then just remove it, and make sure udev, hal, and your desktop (kde or gnome, I'm assuming) are installed
[03:00] <trym|work> anyone ?
[03:00] <ZeeO> can you get a kubuntu netboot.img
[03:00] <ZeeO> or only ubuntu
[03:00] <boguh> hi, im using dapper, can i just update to edgy by doing substituting dapper with edgy in sources.list?
[03:00] <ZeeO> i can only seem to find
[03:00] <ZeeO> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[03:00] <ZeeO> not a ubuntu copy
[03:00] <ZeeO> not a kubuntu copy
[03:00] <ZeeO> i meen
[03:01] <Jucato> ZeeO: isn't a netboot supposed to be a very very minimal installer?
[03:01] <ZeeO> netboot is for PXE
[03:01] <ZeeO> installs
[03:01] <Jucato> ah
[03:01] <ZeeO> ya its realy small
[03:01] <ZeeO> its a laptop that has a bad cdrom
[03:01] <ZeeO> so i don't have cdrom or floopy
[03:02] <ZeeO> to boot with so i have to boot off network
[03:02] <ZeeO> PXE
[03:02] <Jucato> ZeeO: I'm guessing then, that it has no desktop/GUI included, which means it only has the very basic installation
[03:02] <boguh> my question too hard?
[03:02] <Jucato> !upgrade| boguh
[03:02] <ubotu> boguh: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:02] <MidMark> Jucato: the problem is this -> kubuntu-desktop was installed, but when with adept with perform the upgrade then kubuntu-desktop is uninstalled automatically, yhen I've installed it again, but ubuntu-minimal was escluded
[03:03] <ZeeO> well i have instaleld ubuntu all the way
[03:03] <ZeeO> with PXE just now
[03:03] <ZeeO> to desktop
[03:03] <ZeeO> so i don
[03:03] <ZeeO> 't see y i can't find a kubuntu copy
[03:03] <ZeeO> of the img
[03:03] <ZeeO> i may just install KDE
[03:03] <ZeeO> ontop of this instlal
[03:03] <omar> hey ppl
[03:04] <omar> isnt there something like AppServ for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[03:04] <omar> I am trying to install apache/php/mysql
[03:04] <jel> ZeeO: don't reinstall; just run synaptic, install kubuntu-desktop, and then later, remove gnome-desktop etc.
[03:04] <omar> without success
[03:04] <omar> i already installed apache2 and php5
[03:04] <omar>  and phpmyadmin
[03:04] <jel> omar: appserv?  A directory of software you can install?
[03:05] <omar> but when I access phpmyadmin from firefox or konqueror they ask me to download the script
[03:05] <omar> appserv is a package that installs phpmyadmin+mysql+apache  in Windows
[03:05] <jel> omar: you need libapache2-mod-php5, not the php5 package; that's different
[03:05] <omar> yep that is installed
[03:06] <jel> omar: ahh, ok
[03:06] <omar> libapache2-mod-php5 <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3.3
[03:06] <ZeeO> k
[03:06] <omar> also when I run mysql it says that it can not connect  to local server trough socket var/run...
[03:06] <omar> and if I run mysql i get "segmentation fault"
[03:07] <jel> omar: you may need to enable the modules.  Go into /etc/apache2, and move the php5 stuff from modules-available to modules-enabled (I think those are the dir names)
[03:07] <omar> I just downloaded and installed mysql from synaptic
[03:07] <dude_> jucato: hehehe, the original gnome was replaced by edubuntu...
[03:07] <omar> what file
[03:07] <Jucato> dude_: patay...
[03:07] <omar> apache2.conf
[03:07] <jel> omar: the seg fault sounds bad, but is probably unrelated to this.  Fix one thing at a time.
[03:07] <omar> or httpd.conf
[03:07] <dude_> jucato: yari !
[03:07] <jel> omar: no, in the directories
[03:08] <omar> ok done
[03:08] <omar> moved 2 files
[03:08] <dude_> jucato: can i use this? "sudo aptitude install -R ubuntu-desktop"?
[03:08] <omar> php5.conf
[03:08] <omar> and php5.load
[03:08] <jel> omar: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[03:08] <Jucato> dude_: sudo aptitude remove edubuntu-desktop
[03:08] <Jucato> dude_: just check that it removes the stuff that it installed
[03:08] <brian__> hi, how do I get nvidia 3d in kubuntu, I installed nvidia-glx, but glxgears shows an error?
[03:09] <omar> done
[03:09] <jel> omar: give it a shot now
[03:09] <omar> mmm no
[03:09] <omar> still not working, if i go to
[03:09] <omar> localhost/phpmyadmin/index.php
[03:09] <omar> firefox tells me to download the file
[03:09] <omar> i open it
[03:09] <omar> and it is the unparsed php script
[03:10] <omar> hey
[03:10] <omar> konqueror did it
[03:10] <jel> yeah, it shouldn't download.  It's doing that because apache sends the raw file instead of realising it's supposed to run it and send the resulting data.  I guess you probably know that.   But, that's what the config files do, so this is strange.
[03:10] <omar> firefox asked me
[03:10] <jel> omar: ahh, OK
[03:11] <omar> but with konqueror it is ok
[03:11] <jel> you could try purging your cache in firefox then
[03:11] <omar> i guess it is a matter of fx cache
[03:11] <omar> ya
[03:11] <omar> now
[03:11] <omar> i've got the mysql problem
[03:11] <omar> =oS
[03:11] <jel> omar: :)
[03:11] <omar> sudo mysqld
[03:11] <redirtS> hi, trying to get nvidia 3d moving, I already installed nvidia glx, but glxfgears shows an error
[03:12] <omar> omar@gladia:~$ sudo mysqld
[03:12] <omar> Segmentation fault
[03:12] <omar> omar@gladia:~$
[03:12] <omar> should I try and reinstall mysql?
[03:13] <jel> omar: do dpkg --configure -a, and see if it tries to fix anything
[03:13] <jel> omar: if not, it's unlikely to be broken :)
[03:14] <jel> omar: in a way that package handling can fix, I mean.  Segfaults are always broken :)
[03:14] <starpause> i've got an error on step 4 of the KubuntuUpgrade wiki ... i've checked my sources list ... here's the error ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html
[03:14] <omar> I reinstalled
[03:14] <omar> it works
[03:14] <omar> :P
[03:14] <omar> but
[03:14] <jel> OK, cool :)
[03:14] <jel> hehhe, yes?
[03:15] <omar> what is the password?
[03:15] <omar> for the admin
[03:15] <omar> I can enter witih sudo
[03:15] <omar> but I dont know the admin password for phpmyadmin
[03:16] <MidMark> hwdb-client-kde is in the cd right?
[03:16] <dude_> jucato: it did not remove edubuntu
[03:16] <jel> ohh.  I forget if there is one or not.  I think you have to add it later with debian.   dpkg-reconfigure will let you reset the password for any mysql-server or phpmyadmin, if they that have one by default in debian.
[03:16] <Jucato> dude_: you didn't "sudo aptitude update" before you installed edubuntu, did you?
[03:16] <omar> k
[03:16] <omar> I'll look at the FM
[03:16] <omar> thanks
[03:16] <dude_> jucato: no :(
[03:16] <omar> FM==google =oP
[03:17] <Jucato> dude_: grrr...
[03:17] <jel> omar: I think I usually added it according to instructions on the net, to make it compatible with other people's setups.  But these days, I'm using postgresql and sqlite for dev, so it's been a while.
[03:17] <dude_> jucato: sorry, i forgot
[03:17] <vge> hmm, now im puzzled, i have php5 paggages installed, but still when i enter localhost php files, browser dont appear to recognize em? (tries to download)
[03:17] <vge> i have restarted the apache install
[03:17] <dude_> jucato: my mistake again...
[03:17] <redirtS> brian@brian-desktop:~$ glxgears
[03:17] <redirtS> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:17] <redirtS> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visua
[03:18] <Jucato> dude_: it's ok :)
[03:18] <Jucato> dude_: but I don't know what to do with that...
[03:18] <jel> vge: someone else just asked this :)   Have you enabled the modules in /etc/apache2 ?
[03:18] <dude_> jucato: so what will happen to my original gnome?
[03:19] <dude_> jucato, can i install gnome?
[03:19] <Jucato> dude_: :(
[03:19] <vge> jel: how i recheck?
[03:19] <Jucato> dude_: clueless... try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop....
[03:19] <jel> vge: ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php*
[03:19] <vge> nope
[03:19] <jel> vge: if nothing is listed, do mv /etc/apache2/mods-available/php* /etc/apaches/mods-enabled/
[03:20] <vge> ty
[03:20] <dude_> jucato: re install? my god...
[03:20] <jel> vge: then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, and then clear your browser cache, and retry.
[03:21] <Jucato> dude_: really, I don't know anymore...
[03:21] <dude_> jucato: whats the function of "sudo aptitude update" again?
[03:21] <noelvis> who can help with kbuntu grub?
[03:22] <djmdave> noelvis: I'll have a go ;-)
[03:22] <Hawkwind> dude_: It updates the list of repos and fetches the new package lists from the repos
[03:22] <Jucato> dude_: you need to aptitude update so that when you install something with aptitude, you can remove the package and its dependencies later
[03:22] <dude_> jucato: so maybe i'll just stick to KDE and xubuntu
[03:23] <Jucato> dude_: meaning, that nice feature of aptitude that handles metapackages and it's dependencies will only work if you aptitude update first
[03:23] <jel> dude_: it gets the latest list of software.  the package manager uses that list to figure out what you have old versions of, and what is available that you don't have.
[03:23] <Jucato> dude_: nothing much to see in edubuntu, unless you're the educational type of guy :)
[03:24] <dude_> jucato: edubuntu uses main system of ubuntu right?
[03:24] <jel> vge: ok now?
[03:24] <Jucato> dude_: it uses GNOME, but has kdeedu apps as well.
[03:24] <redirtS> well, I have asked 3 times in about 30 minutes without even a "hi", guess no one knows, or you are too short handed --- I'll return later with my question --- should be an easy one. Have a good day
[03:25] <dude_> jucato: so it will not affect the functionalities of the base sytem, am i right or what?
[03:25] <vge> jel: rebooting the apache fails now :/
[03:25] <ZeeO> hey guys do you think a 1 ghz with 256 megs of ram will run xvid
[03:25] <vge> *apache2
[03:25] <ZeeO> or divx
[03:25] <ZeeO> or play
[03:25] <jel> vge: what does it say?
[03:25] <Jucato> dude_: you'll just have lots of apps in your menu :)
[03:25] <vge> !pastebin
[03:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:25] <dude_> jucato: ya...hehehe, lots of apss
[03:26] <noelvis> where can I get help on grub
[03:26] <vge> jel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29540/
[03:26] <redirtS> !nvidia
[03:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:26] <omar> !nvidia
[03:26] <omar> !pastebin
[03:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:26] <omar> !ati
[03:26] <omar> grr
[03:26] <omar> no ati
[03:27] <dude_> jucato: o well, i use KDE most of the time
[03:27] <Jucato> !ati | omar
[03:27] <ubotu> omar: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <omar> hehe
[03:27] <omar> I already have 3d support
[03:27] <omar> can you imagine
[03:27] <omar> the open source drivers have 3d support for my card
[03:27] <vge> jel: any clue?
[03:27] <noelvis> i install Xp and then kubuntu and then grub dies
[03:27] <omar> whereas the closed source does not have
[03:27] <ehird> noelvis: not kubuntu, just grub :)
[03:28] <jel> vge: doesn't help :)  tail /var/log/apache2/error.log might help more.  But, what does ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php* show?
[03:28] <omar> freaking mumps
[03:28] <noelvis> ehid, I'm new at this chatting
[03:28] <ehird> noelvis: what effect does that have on what I said?
[03:28] <ehird> o_O
[03:29] <vge> jel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29541/
[03:29] <noelvis> not much :) but i still need help please
[03:30] <jel> vge: ahh, OK, you have php4 and 5.  try moving /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4* back to /etc/apache2/mods-available, leaving just the php5 stuff.
[03:30] <vge> k
[03:30] <ehird> any idea why shift+home doesn't select all text before cursor in kubuntu? delete acts as backspace too
[03:31] <Sharketor> who is using gaim?
[03:31] <noelvis> HELP grub, anybody?
[03:32] <jel> ehird: preference, I guess.  Try looking in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts, or in your editor's preferences, if it's an editor and not just a text box
[03:32] <Sharketor> noelvis: what?
[03:32] <ehird> !grub | noelvis
[03:32] <ubotu> noelvis: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:32] <ehird> jel: alright, thanks
[03:32] <omar> is there any way to edit the grub menu?
[03:32] <omar> to make it graphical or somethin glike that?
[03:32] <ehird> omar: yes, no
[03:33] <BluesKaj> I'm not happy with KDE 3.5.5 ...it has no memory for personal login , screensaver etc settings .... kinda sucks !
[03:33] <omar> also, the start screen I would like to change it(where you log in)
[03:33] <Sharketor> omar: yes, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:33] <omar> I think it is the gdm
[03:33] <jel> BluesKaj: yes it does :)
[03:33] <noelvis> thanks ubotu
[03:33] <BluesKaj> ok jel , show me !
[03:33] <jel> BluesKaj: it should be there.  What have you done to make it disappear? ;)
[03:33] <Sharketor> nobody knows how install gaim emoticons
[03:33] <Sharketor> ????
[03:33] <omar> that ubotu is the r0xxx0r
[03:33] <ehird> well my only complaint about kubuntu 6.10 is that the purple is damn ugly, but i solved that by changing it to the nice blue Plastik :)
[03:33] <omar> :P
[03:34] <vge> jel: works now, ty :)
[03:34] <Hawkwind> Sharketor: sudo apt-get install gaim-themes
[03:34] <omar> strange
[03:34] <omar> I logged in at phpmyadmin once
[03:34] <jel> BluesKaj: run kcontrol, and look at the kdm options for the login prefs.  for screensaver, it's in appearance.
[03:34] <omar> and it was fine
[03:34] <BluesKaj> nothing disappeared jel , the settings just don't work
[03:34] <omar> but now one I log it says there is an error
[03:34] <omar> ont he right frame
[03:35] <jel> !doesn't work
[03:35] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:35] <ZeeO> if we go into a ice age all the harddrives will still be in the ice in 900,000 yrs for ppl to read
[03:35] <omar> "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ':' in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/main.php on line 190"
[03:35] <ZeeO> and use
[03:35] <ZeeO> :)
[03:35] <ehird> oh, just one more thing I don't like about 6.10: default cursors are gnome-style
[03:35] <ehird> but that's it
[03:35] <ehird> otherwise it's great ;)
[03:35] <jel> vge: welcome.  Enjoy :)
[03:35] <BluesKaj> screensaver settings in system/desktop  for one ...thy test fine , the timer works but there is no slideshow
[03:35] <Sharketor> haw:thanks
[03:36] <ehird> um, quick quesiton
[03:36] <omar> hey
[03:36] <omar> there is a : in the main.ph
[03:36] <omar> instead of a ;
[03:36] <omar> ???
[03:36] <ehird> why does adept only show Menu Editor, and why is it still using the purple i changed? :p
[03:36] <jel> BluesKaj: you have to add some pictures for the slideshow screensaver.  That is one particular screensaver though, the screensaver system sounds like it's working, right?
[03:37] <dg6e74> how can i put a file in my ./system folder with one line of text in it called cdkey with no file extension
[03:37] <jel> ehird: adept sucks.  Just use synaptic or aptitude :)
[03:37] <omar> done
[03:37] <omar> that was weird
[03:37] <omar> why was a : instead of a ;
[03:37] <omar> in the *default* main.php file in phpMyAdmin
[03:38] <ehird> jel: even if it sucks, it's bundled with kubuntu and doesn't actually work. Not working = problem.
[03:38] <starpause> i've got an error on step 4 of the KubuntuUpgrade wiki ... i've checked my sources list ... here's the error ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html
[03:38] <ehird> omar: because phpmyadmin sucks :)
[03:38] <jel> dg6e74: gedit ./system/cdkey
[03:38] <jel> ehird: agreed.  adept should have been a straight clone of synaptic
[03:38] <BluesKaj> jel, I have "my pictures" file added to the slideshow option...it test fine but it won't run the file after the set time
[03:38] <ehird> jel: oh come on, even if it sucks it literally doesn't work
[03:39] <Sharketor> I have installed gaim theme, now how can I select one of them????
[03:39] <jel> ehird: agreed :)
[03:39] <dg6e74> jel: exactly like that
[03:40] <ehird> Here's what I mean: http://content.imagesocket.com/images/adeptproblem0a8.png
[03:40] <ehird> :p
[03:41] <jel> BluesKaj: hmm.. it should.  Works fine for me, across multiple machines, and through different versions of KDE, including the latest.  It might be something to do with your power settings.  Kubuntu has a new power control app, that might be interfering with the more standard kde stuff.
[03:41] <jel> dg6e74: that doesn't work for you?
[03:41] <ubuntu> There really is nothing more satisfying than installing kubuntu...
[03:42] <dg6e74> command not found
[03:42] <dg6e74> whats the command to delete a file
[03:42] <Kiongku> wow darkness not bad
[03:43] <Hawkwind> dg6e74: rm
[03:43] <ehird> nickste: so why did your name lack the k? ;)
[03:43] <jel> dg6e74: what desktop do you have installed?  gnome? kde?
[03:43] <Nickste> lol
[03:43] <dg6e74> kde
[03:43] <Nickste> it just logs one in with ubuntu username (Konversation)
[03:44] <jel> dg6e74: oh, right, this is #kubuntu :)
[03:44] <jel> dg6e74: in that case, kate ./cdkey
[03:44] <beralt> jel: what is a desktop? Can I install that on windows?
[03:44] <beralt> <:)
[03:44] <jel> beralt: no such thing exists for windows :)
[03:44] <dg6e74> that will put it in the sysem folder
[03:44] <ehird> Nickste: <:D
[03:44] <beralt> jel: not correct, I heard there are other WMs for windows
[03:44] <jel> beralt: they have a thing called "bob", but it's not really the same :)
[03:45] <jel> beralt: yeah, there are, I'm kidding.
[03:45] <beralt> jel: icewm can be ran on windows afaiks
[03:45] <Dr_willis> wine msbob.exe
[03:45] <jel> beralt: although, to be clear, wm is not the same as a desktop
[03:45] <Dr_willis> there are the alternative shells for windows. :)
[03:45] <Dr_willis> litestep, and a few others.
[03:45] <beralt> Dr_willis: yea, litestep is the one I meant.
[03:45] <jel> litestep, that's the one I was trying to think of.   Better starting with reactos though :)
[03:46] <Sharketor> I have installed gaim theme, now how can I select one of them????
[03:46] <beralt> oh; and there is cygwin install it and you can get a full KDE under win :)
[03:46] <ehird> In Konqueror, is there a way to make middle clicks on tabs close them instead of google search for what's on the clipboard? <_< >_>
[03:46] <jel> beralt: it'll be interesting to see kde 4 on windows :)
[03:46] <dg6e74> jel: that gave me some stuff but did not work
[03:46] <beralt> jel: I suspect that itll make a lot of apps interesting for windows too.
[03:47] <jel> dg6e74: what do you mean, it didn't work?  It should have loaded an editor.  Unless you're at the console?
[03:47] <dude_> Dr_willis !
[03:47] <dg6e74> where should i enter that comand
[03:47] <beralt> but I am very afraid some good ol' KDE stuff will become like FF: competely unintegrated on linux, main focus on win, etc.
[03:47] <Jucato> beralt: not really
[03:48] <Tm_T> beralt: Can't happen.
[03:48] <jel> dg6e74: open kate from the KMenu's Utilities folder
[03:48] <vge> KDE4 is "windows compatible"?
[03:48] <Dr_willis> vge,  supposubly thats a goal.
[03:48] <jel> vge: yes, and mac
[03:48] <dude_> jucato: what other distro did you use before?
[03:48] <Jucato> Dr_willis: it's not a goal
[03:48] <Dr_willis> its a work in progress at this time. :)
[03:48] <Jucato> it's a side effect of using Qt4
[03:48] <beralt> I mean, FF really sux for linux integration. Its a good app and all that, but their weird sense of "user maangement", their private upgrade/security system and an unintegrated widget set.
[03:48] <Jucato> dude_: none :P
[03:48] <Dr_willis> 'useable' vs 'compatiable' :)
[03:48] <vge> icic, donno if it's good or bad
[03:49] <beralt> Tm_T: why not?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> i will be impressed if it works well.
[03:49] <ehird> I don't like firefox for that reason
[03:49] <jel> beralt: agreed :)
[03:49] <ehird> it doesn't fit in
[03:49] <Nickste> I am installing edgy (clean install). I had dapper dualbooted with XP. I have just deleted the dapper partition, and made an edgy one. Will the edgy dual boot loader overwrite the dapper one?
[03:49] <Jucato> Dr_willis: compatibility isn't a goal at all
[03:49] <ketsugi> Doesn't KDE have its own calculator program that's not speedcrunch?
[03:49] <ehird> same reason i don't use gnome apps on KDE :)
[03:49] <MidMark> kubuntu-desktop is part of the cd?
[03:49] <dude_> jucato: can i paste our website here?
[03:49] <jel> ketsugi: kcalc
[03:49] <Jucato> MidMark: which CD?
[03:49] <vge> kcalc powns
[03:49] <beralt> Jucato: there is a difference between kde apps ported to win. and cross compiled QT apps. That is the main thing.
[03:49] <Jucato> dude_: for?
[03:49] <Tm_T> beralt: KDE has so much stuff specialized to Linux + 99 % of developers are pro-linux I bet
[03:49] <MidMark> desktop cd
[03:49] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  compatiable in the use of the term "works for'
[03:49] <ketsugi> I don't have that, which means it didn't come with the default Kubuntu install
[03:49] <ketsugi> odd
[03:50] <dude_> jucato: actually its a world wide contest
[03:50] <Zograf> people  cgwd-themes ??? Dowunload????????  (sorry no speake ing).......
[03:50] <Jucato> Dr_willis: not even. the don't have "make KDE 4 also work for windows" in mind.
[03:50] <beralt> Tm_T: yes. But I am talking about more niche stuff. Like ERD suits, etc.
[03:50] <ehird> Dowunload? :O
[03:50] <ehird> :P
[03:50] <Zograf> =)
[03:50] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  it seems to be a major point everyone is talking about.. so SOMEONE is making a big deal about it.
[03:50] <dg6e74> would anyone know how to stop runing a ut2004 dedicated server
[03:50] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  of course we will have to wait and see what actually happens.
[03:50] <Zograf> repazit?
[03:50] <MidMark> kubuntu-desktop is part of desktop cd?
[03:51] <Tm_T> beralt: Well, especially "nice" stuff is hard to move from Linux to Windows. =)
[03:51] <Jucato> Dr_willis: what "everyone" is talking about is not always what the devs are talking about
[03:51] <beralt> those will most prolly get coded in QT, which technically makes them ready for linux.   Also, alt-f2, followed by gg:2 * 2 followed by return
[03:51] <Jucato> Dr_willis: some of the devs don't even want to port their apps to KDE
[03:51] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  cant blame them there. :)
[03:51] <ketsugi> jel: oh yeah, I forgot I can do that with katapult too
[03:51] <Jucato> dude_: unless it's Kubuntu/KDE related, I don't think it's proper
[03:52] <jel> ketsugi: yeah, it's nicer in katapult, but generally, I hate katapult :)
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: ok...nevermind... :)
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: ok...nevermind... :
[03:52] <ketsugi> hehe
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: tnx...
[03:52] <ketsugi> Katapult could be so much more
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: tagay.... :)
[03:52] <Jucato> dude_: ok:)
[03:52] <beralt> jel: man. ive been working for nearly 6 years with KDE, and you just learned me somethign new: re: maths in apprunner :)
[03:52] <jel> beralt: kde is full of nice little surprises like that :)
[03:53] <dude_> jucato: redhorse under KDE : )
[03:53] <Jucato> dude_: lol
[03:53] <jel> beralt: in teaching, there's a principle called discovery learning... kde uses it a lot.
[03:53] <Nickste> woooaahhhh that is scary... installing edgy and the screen goes black after I click final install button! Came back on tho... *phew*
[03:53] <beralt> jel: yup. I've had this plan for a "KDE hidden gem a day" blog for ages, never got to it yet.
[03:54] <jel> beralt: it's amazing how many people don't realise that dcop exists yet :)
[03:54] <Jucato> ehird: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Middle_Click_on_Tab_to_Close_in_Konqueror_KDE_3_4_
[03:54] <beralt> jel: ... which is very good. because everyone uses it daily. I think that is a sign of good architechure.
[03:54] <osh_> Is there a way to "force" a reinstall of some packages? "sudo aptitude force reinstall konqueror" or something similar. I can't see this page http://borat-movie.co.uk/ in konqueror. Just a blank page with sound so some part of flash is working.
[03:55] <vge> hmm, someone can tell me how to disable mousewheel over taskbar changing windows?
[03:55] <Jucato> jel: it's going to *not* exist soon...
[03:55] <dude_> jucato: sudo aptitude drink -R redhorse /drunk/hangover : )
[03:55] <jel> beralt: true :)  But I mean, it's great for scripting too :)
[03:55] <vge> *rolling mousewheel
[03:55] <ehird> Jucato: it's hidden? pff! :D
[03:55] <jel> Jucato: yep :)
[03:55] <jel> osh_: apt-get install --reinstall package
[03:55] <Jucato> ehird: yeah. so that you can have the pleasure of digging up for it :)
[03:56] <ketsugi> dude_: that didn't work!
[03:56] <beralt> jel: the only times when I use it, is when I am travelling. To turn on the music for my GF at home :)
[03:56] <osh_> jel: works with aptitude too?
[03:56] <dude_> ha?
[03:56] <Nickste> Hey, It's halloween tonight :)
[03:56] <jel> osh_: don't know.  man aptitude.
[03:56] <jel> osh_: I'm pretty sure you can do it from aptitude's gui
[03:56] <jel> or tui :)
[03:56] <osh_> jel: Ah, apt-get works too. =)
[03:56] <jel> :)
[03:56] <Jucato> osh_: sudo aptitude reinstall <package>
[03:57] <beralt> Nickste: damn, I just shaved... no scaring little brats tonight then :)
[03:57] <Nickste> lol
[03:57] <osh_> Jucato: thankyou.
[03:57] <jel> damned aptitude.  Always making things simple :)
[03:57] <dude_> jucato: can i use my webcam in kopete?
[03:57] <beralt> jel: yea. if you use the right tools, working on a computer becomes boring :)
[03:57] <Jucato> dude_: I think so. not really sure how to set it up
[03:58] <jel> beralt: yep :)
[03:58] <jel> beralt: which is when you find yourself reading way too many webpages per day :)
[03:58] <ehird> UM.
[03:58] <raul12> how to clear dns cache ??
[03:58] <ehird> Why are there only two folders in /?!?!?!
[03:58] <raul12>  :|
[03:58] <ehird> home and media
[03:58] <beralt> I mean: take a day on a windows machine: browsing pr0n sites all day to find some crack tool for app Foo. finding out why the F some registry entry keeps gettnig fsked etc.
[03:58] <Dr_willis> !hidden
[03:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[03:58] <beralt> now that is interesting computing.
[03:58] <ehird> Oh so now we're like mac os X.
[03:58] <ehird> Excellent..
[03:59] <Dr_willis> ehird,  check out the /.hidden file
[03:59] <ehird> I hope it's disableable. /me clicks
[03:59] <Nickste> raul: it's digg command or something
[03:59] <Jucato> osh_, jel: for reference "sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>"  :P
[03:59] <sudharsh> dude_: i guess there will be this devices tab in 'configure kopete'..my roadside cam worked outside the box
[03:59] <raul12> any command ??
[03:59] <dude_> sudharsh: whats the brand of you webcam, mine doesnt work
[03:59] <raul12> ya its commmand but what command
[04:00] <ehird> can anybody tell me which ones used to be hidden before this? so I can delete all but them
[04:00] <raul12> to clear dns cache ?
[04:00] <sudharsh> dude_: some vimicro..zstar..thing..whats yours?
[04:00] <ehird> I don't want anything new in there apart frmo how it was
[04:00] <Jucato> !hidden | ehird
[04:00] <ubotu> ehird: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:00] <dude_> sudharsh: A4tech
[04:00] <ehird> Jucato: I know that.
[04:01] <Jucato> ehird: everything wasn't hidden before
[04:01] <beralt> man, I just realised that in two months time I'll be using KDE for 9 years already. Started off with the release of SuSE 6.0
[04:01] <osh_> !flash
[04:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:01] <jel> Jucato: is that just in kubuntu, not kde in general?
[04:01] <ehird> initrd.img and lib32 certainly were, i've never seen them before
[04:01] <raul12> het guys any help
[04:01] <raul12> here
[04:01] <Jucato> jel: only here. but there's talk...
[04:01] <raul12> i need command to clear dns cache / how to clear dns cache ?
[04:02] <jel> Jucato: ohh.    I appreciate the idea, but... :)
[04:02] <Jucato> jel: basic idea: media:/ kioslave needs work. they're just not agreeing on how to do it yet
[04:02] <ehird> so some files defineately were hidden
[04:02] <raul12> ding ding !!!! i need he lp :D
[04:03] <Jucato> ehird: actually all files except /home and /media
[04:03] <Nickste> raul, I don't know the command, but maybe u can explain what you are trying to do?
[04:03] <ehird> Jucato: no, i mean used to be hidden
[04:03] <xdemon> hi all
[04:03] <sudharsh> dude_: tried spca5xx..? http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[04:04] <ehird> i've never seen "lib32" and it's in .hidden therefore it must have been hidden
[04:04] <xdemon> i install beryl!
[04:04] <Nickste> hey xdemon
[04:04] <ehird> beforehand
[04:04] <N6REJ> Good morning everyone...  I'm trying to make a couple of decisions.  The first is Gnome VS KDE.  Yes I know this is likely to start a flame war, but my thoughts are this.. . I like how in Konqueror you can easily see how your website will look in other browsers.  But I understand that KDE really wants 1G of ram for its desktop.  I have that but that seems excessive to me.  I like the Gnome...
[04:04] <xdemon> its working!
[04:04] <N6REJ> ...package installer (synaptic?) better then KDE's.  I have'nt fairly evaluated eithers office suite so I can't comment there but that is something that would be important to me.  Then there is the hardware issue.  I have a Semperon 2800 64bit.  I'm thinking seriously of installing the 64bit Kubuntu.  BUT.... There are one or two business apps that are windows based that I would likely need...
[04:04] <N6REJ> ...to run and they are NOT 64bit.  I'd appreciate any thoughts on this.
[04:04] <raul12> well i want to clear dns cache becouse rapide share need to do
[04:04] <xdemon> !dashboard
[04:04] <raul12> for download purpose
[04:04] <Nickste> xdemon: aaahh sick ;) is it hard to install? I'm gonna do it just now
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dashboard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <ehird> N6REJ: what are you talking about and why is it important
[04:04] <sudharsh> N6REJ: my kde desktop is running happily with 256 megs...
[04:04] <dude_> sudharsh: xxxx its working heheheh
[04:04] <raul12>  :)
[04:04] <xdemon> only configuration
[04:05] <Nickste> what sort of configuration is needed?
[04:05] <N6REJ> sudharsh: 64bit or 32?
[04:05] <sudharsh> dude_: :)...thought so......mine is not even branded
[04:05] <Nickste> I'm a n00b, but beryl is the reason I installed edgy
[04:05] <sudharsh> N6REJ: 256 megs on an amd athlon xp 2000+
[04:05] <raul12> well my computer is not branded tooo
[04:05] <xdemon> nikste, what video card do you have?
[04:05] <raul12> i confg mysef
[04:05] <Nickste> ATI X600
[04:06] <raul12> it far better to config urself than buy branded
[04:06] <N6REJ> how well does wine run on 64bit Kde?
[04:06] <raul12> i have prb with wine
[04:06] <Nickste> xdemon: good/bad/ugly - ati?
[04:06] <raul12> its giving me resource error  :(
[04:06] <ehird> any help for my problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289718 :(
[04:07] <N6REJ> raul12: I've never been able to get wine to work either.
[04:07] <Nickste> isn't wine for 32 bit only?
[04:07] <raul12> no
[04:07] <Nickste> oh cool
[04:07] <xdemon> nikste, i use NVIDIA
[04:07] <raul12> mine is 64 bit and 32 bit work fine under 64 bits enviroment
[04:07] <xdemon> !beryl_on_kde
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl_on_kde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <raul12> if u created it
[04:07] <xdemon> !beryl_on_ati
[04:07] <dude_> sudharsh: just wondering, is there an indicator in kopete that one of your contacts is using his/her webcam
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl_on_ati - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <N6REJ> I thought wine was 32bit only.
[04:07] <Jucato> !beryl | xdemon
[04:07] <ubotu> xdemon: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[04:07] <Nickste> xdemon: beryl ok on 64bit?
[04:08] <maninder> how do i install bin files?
[04:08] <xdemon> no celeron 2 GHz
[04:08] <maninder> just copy and past them?
[04:08] <maninder> into media drive?
[04:08] <sudharsh> dude_: hmm..just a sec...i dont use kopete..will check and tell
[04:09] <raul12> what is ur prb @
[04:09] <raul12> ehird
[04:09] <ehird> raul12: i linked to a thread describing it
[04:09] <ehird> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289718
[04:09] <xdemon> i think beryl working with ati without beta drivers
[04:10] <sudharsh> dude_: sorry man..none of my buddies are online..but there should be notifications regarding that
[04:10] <raul12> plz define it presciesly
[04:10] <dude_> sudharsh: can you add me?
[04:10] <sudharsh> dude_: sure
[04:10] <sudharsh> dude_: yahoo! ??
[04:10] <dude_> sudharsh: or can i add you
[04:10] <dude_> ya
[04:11] <maninder> how do i install software on linux?
[04:11] <Jucato> ehird: what's wrong with that picture?
[04:11] <sudharsh> dude_: tell me your nick
[04:11] <maninder> i cant just click and install?
[04:11] <raul12> no
[04:11] <raul12> u cant
[04:11] <dude_> sudharsh: daxs24
[04:11] <raul12> mani
[04:11] <raul12> u either go with adept
[04:11] <maninder> adept?
[04:11] <raul12> for grapical instal
[04:11] <raul12> package installer
[04:11] <raul12> 4 KDE
[04:12] <raul12> on manual installation
[04:12] <raul12> through console
[04:12] <ehird> raul12: dude, i can't describe it more precicely than what i said in the thread#
[04:12] <Jucato> maninder: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/add-applications.html
[04:13] <raul12> no u cant
[04:13] <jel> raul12: why does rapid share need you to modify your dns setup?  It should work in the standard way, and not rely on other stuff.  But if you have to get DNS from rapidshare itself, you could setup your resolv.conf to ask it's names, or resolve it once from them with nslookup or dig, and then use the ip
[04:13] <raul12> well i am myself confused about what prb u have in the 1st place
[04:13] <matt_qc_ca> good morning/afternoon/evening everyone :) i'm trying to install wacom-tools (following the Wacom entry in the Wiki) and it says it can't find the package. I'm on a fresh install
[04:14] <jel> matt_qc_ca: apt-cache search wacom
[04:14] <raul12> well i have to clear cache 4 avoiding the download slot in rapid
[04:14] <raul12> @jel
[04:14] <matt_qc_ca> i'll try that, thanks jel :)
[04:15] <nickste> Where is the best guide for installing beryl on kubuntu, ati, 64bit?
[04:15] <jel> raul12: oh, you want to hack around their download system?
[04:15] <jel> raul12: a simpler way would be to add an entry to /etc/hosts, maybe?
[04:15] <vge> where are mysql database files located in hd?
[04:15] <raul12> na
[04:15] <raul12> it wont do
[04:16] <raul12> i have to clear cache 4 that 1st
[04:16] <Jucato> ehird: looking at your post, I still can't understand what's wrong
[04:16] <maninder> i cant even stall flash
[04:16] <maninder> install
[04:16] <maninder> how messed up is that
[04:16] <raul12> well manidar
[04:16] <raul12> @ linux is not like windows
[04:16] <maninder> is it like this for every program?
[04:16] <raul12> so u cant install any thing by just clicking
[04:16] <raul12> ya
[04:17] <Dr_willis> I cant even power up windows.. without needing to download  huge amounts of updates.. :)
[04:17] <maninder> okay so gimmi step by step:S
[04:17] <jel> maninder: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:17] <ehird> Jucato: um, "Uses the purple colour scheme that I changed and only shows one package. 'Nuff said.". And the screenshot.. I don't get what's hard to understand
[04:17] <jel> maninder: then use synaptic instead of adept
[04:17] <maninder> synaptic:S
[04:17] <sudharsh> raul12: recent ubuntu versions install it by clicking it..although it throws up an instance of gdeb or something like that
[04:17] <maninder> im using kbuntu
[04:17] <Jucato> ehird: aah it's not a bug or an error
[04:17] <ehird> Jucato: it is a bug
[04:17] <ehird> adept only displays one package.
[04:17] <raul12> well no @ sud
[04:17] <ehird> that, is a bug.
[04:17] <maninder> were do i get this synaptic?
[04:18] <Jucato> ehird: the color I mean
[04:18] <jel> maninder: I know.  synaptic is the one exception that I use from gnome :)
[04:18] <ehird> Jucato: right, but it's still a Problem(TM)
[04:18] <raul12> better to install them bt pm or console
[04:18] <Dr_willis> maninder,  thats the joys of the apt-get system of pacakge management.. it will auto-download
[04:18] <sudharsh> maninder: synaptic is similar to adept..
[04:18] <jel> maninder: like I said, open a konsole (alt-f2, type konsole, press return) then do sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:18] <raul12> well synapt or adept
[04:18] <maninder> so were do i get synaptic?
[04:18] <raul12> ur choice
[04:18] <maninder> in were?
[04:18] <maninder> in the cammand bar?
[04:18] <maninder> when i open the file?
[04:18] <Jucato> ehird: the color difference is not a problem. You are running Adept as root, and root uses/can use a different color/style.
[04:18] <ehird> maninder: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:19] <Dr_willis> maninder,  do the command from a shell/terminal window.  time tolearn some linux basics... it will auto download..
[04:19] <raul12> @ mani do u have installed kububtu new ????
[04:19] <ehird> Jucato: right, how would i fix that?
[04:19] <raul12> @mani new to linux ??
[04:19] <Dr_willis> or go to Kmenu --> system --> konsole
[04:19] <Jucato> ehird: launch system settings as root and change the style and colors to match your user's
[04:19] <jel> maninder: just press alt and f2 at the same time.  It'll bring up a box.  Type konsole, and press return.  Then type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:19] <maninder> okai typed in sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:19] <raul12> @maninder go to ubuntu documents
[04:20] <ehird> Jucato: what's the name of the system settings app?
[04:20] <maninder> and i got a screen saying welcome
[04:20] <jel> ehird: kcontrol
[04:20] <Jucato> ehird: systemsettings
[04:20] <raul12> their u can find all things u needed
[04:20] <ehird> maninder: you shouldn't have
[04:20] <Jucato> jel: he asked for system settings :P
[04:20] <raul12> can any 1 tell me how to clear dns cache ???
[04:20] <maninder> oh it got updates
[04:20] <ehird> Dr_willis: hells yes
[04:20] <Jucato> Dr_willis: :P
[04:21] <jel> Dr_willis: yakuake is better :)
[04:21] <Dr_willis> :) i must be hardcore eh?
[04:21] <raul12> no
[04:21] <Jucato> yes you are
[04:21] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i identfy what driver used by my xorg?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> first thing i do is drag that icon tthee.. and remove the other icons.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> MetaMorfoziS,  could  use  'more /etc/X11/xorg.conf ' then search for the "Driver" lines
[04:21] <Dr_willis> or use grep :P
[04:22] <Dr_willis> grep /etc/X11/xorg.conf Driver
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> hmm that is via...
[04:22] <Dr_willis> doh im backwards
[04:22] <jel> MetaMorfoziS: kinfocenter?
[04:22] <Dr_willis> i ALWAYS get grep backwards
[04:23] <ehird> Dr_willis: i would have done it cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver because i'm a noob so don't feel bad :p
[04:23] <raul12> wait
[04:23] <raul12> @mani
[04:23] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[04:23] <MetaMorfoziS> thxall
[04:23] <Dr_willis> ehird,  then the bash experts yell at ya for usiong cat when not needed. :)
[04:23] <Dr_willis> ehird,  but thats how i normally do it also.
[04:23] <Dr_willis> lol
[04:23] <Dr_willis> Just dont ask me to make a ln -s link right the frst time
[04:24] <ehird> Dr_willis: hah
[04:24] <x-demon> !rpm
[04:24] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[04:24] <Dr_willis> grep pattern file
[04:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:24] <user_> could someone help me out with this issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289631 ? (LOCALE ISSUES)
[04:24] <x-demon> !beryl
[04:24] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[04:24] <dg6e74> how can i kill a process i dont have access to
[04:24] <user_> could someone help me out with this issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289631 ? (LOCALE ISSUES)
[04:25] <Dr_willis> dg6e74,  i think that would be called a security risk. :P
[04:25] <Dr_willis> dg6e74,  you dont have root/sudo access?
[04:25] <dg6e74> yes
[04:25] <jel> dg6e74: hhm??  I guess you mean that doesn't have a physical window or something?
[04:25] <ehird> http://www.bedope.com/stories/0082.html
[04:25] <Dr_willis> dg6e74,  claify exactly what you are trying to do..
[04:25] <dg6e74> yes no window
[04:25] <jel> dg6e74: pkill -9 appname
[04:26] <dg6e74> ty
[04:26] <x-demon> how i can use cyrrilic in kopete?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> your use of the phrase 'no access to'  :)  is not exactly correct. Heh -
[04:26] <raul12> @mani i have some prb on sharing
[04:26] <raul12> @mani go to forms at ubuntu and seaaarch their
[04:27] <maninder> oka
[04:27] <maninder> im gettin updates right now for that adapt thing
[04:27] <maninder> :S
[04:27] <raul12> :P
[04:27] <raul12> good
[04:28] <ehird> http://www.linuxsucks.org/ i wonder if this runs on linux...?
[04:29] <jel> ehird: yes, it does :)
[04:29] <x-demon> maybe it FreeBSD fans
[04:29] <The_Croup> any one knows any nice games for kubuntu
[04:29] <raul12> well BSD and linux both r good :D
[04:29] <The_Croup> ?
[04:29] <jel> ehird: linux, apache 1.3, php 4.3
[04:29] <nickste> why is my copy/past not working!?
[04:30] <ehird> jel: MWAHAHAHAHA
[04:30] <raul12> @nickste restart ur machine
[04:30] <nickste> really?
[04:30] <raul12> yea
[04:30] <nickste> grrrr
[04:30] <jel> nickste: no, wait
[04:30] <nickste> yeah
[04:30] <jel> you're running kubuntu, right?
[04:30] <nickste> yep
[04:30] <abattoir> !games | The_Croup
[04:30] <ubotu> The_Croup: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:31] <Hawkwind> raul12: Don't tell people to reboot please. That's the Windows way of doing things and usually not necessary in Linux
[04:31] <jel> check if your system tray has "klipper".  It looks like a clipboard, but might be hidden (press the arrow).  If not, run it.
[04:31] <raul12> @ hawl wind
[04:31] <raul12> some time it nedd rebooot
[04:31] <abattoir> hi there, Hawkwind
[04:31] <raul12> need
[04:31] <nickste> yep, it's running
[04:31] <Hawkwind> raul12: No
[04:31] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good morning
[04:31] <raul12> well if u get any kernal error
[04:32] <raul12> what u do
[04:32] <Hawkwind> raul12: There are many ways to get things working in Linux rather than rebooting.  That's a last effort type of thing
[04:32] <nickste> ahhhh. not it's working... just selected the text off the clipboard :) Thanks jel
[04:32] <Hawkwind> raul12: He hasn't installed a new kernel or new hardware, so rebooting isn't necessary
[04:32] <jel> nickste: welcome :)
[04:32] <raul12> kernal error cant be fixed with out rebooting
[04:32] <Hawkwind> nickste: You got it working without rebooting :)
[04:32] <nickste> yay!
[04:32] <Hawkwind> raul12: He's *not* getting a kernel error though
[04:32] <alexicon> so when i run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after installing nvidia-glx it errors saying, Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[04:33] <alexicon> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[04:33] <alexicon> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[04:33] <alexicon> ...
[04:33] <raul12>  :p
[04:33] <The_Croup> what do you guys play?
[04:33] <jel> The_Croup: games-wise?
[04:33] <nickste> When I do: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf   it says gedit is not a command?
[04:33] <alexicon> the command tells me to update the md5sum, then the enable works
[04:33] <alexicon> but then x doesnt work...
[04:33] <ehird> http://www.spatula.net/proc/linux/index.src this page is bull
[04:33] <The_Croup> jel hheeheheheh yes
[04:33] <alexicon> nickste: use any text editor
[04:34] <alexicon> as root
[04:34] <nickste> can u name another?
[04:34] <nickste> kate?
[04:34] <Hawkwind> nickste: kwrite, kate
[04:34] <alexicon> nano, vim, kate
[04:34] <lotusleaf> The_Croup: #gametome #icculus.org
[04:34] <Hawkwind> nickste: vi, leafpad
[04:34] <nickste> ta
[04:34] <The_Croup> let me rephrase : what computer games do you guys usually paly
[04:34] <alexicon> kate is a good one
[04:34] <The_Croup> play
[04:34] <alexicon> i play wow :P
[04:34] <ehird> The_Croup: tux racer
[04:34] <alexicon> but glx isnt working right now..
[04:34] <lotusleaf> The_Croup: here's what I play:
[04:34] <alexicon> tetravex is good
[04:34] <lotusleaf> !crawl
[04:34] <ubotu> crawl: Dungeon Crawl, a text-based roguelike game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.0.0beta26-8 (edgy), package size 622 kB, installed size 1532 kB
[04:34] <Hawkwind> nickste: If you don't have ubuntu-desktop installed then that's why you don't have gedit.  You can also install gedit seperately without having to install all of Gnome
[04:34] <ehird> lol, geeks
[04:34] <alexicon> and shinsen-sho :P
[04:35] <nickste> ah, right. I'm on kubuntu
[04:35] <ehird> well, I /want/ to play W:A under WINE but that isn't going to happen in any near year
[04:35] <alexicon> yea kubuntu
[04:35] <nickste> Can someone point me to a guide to installing ATI drivers?
[04:35] <ehird> we know, you're in #kubuntu :)
[04:35] <Hawkwind> !ati | nickste
[04:35] <ubotu> nickste: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:35] <nickste> ta
[04:36] <jel> The_Croup: personally, some "old" RPG/roguelike games, like zangband, and some stuff like unreal, or games like go (try qgo) but mostly roms for emulators, like visualboyadvance (vba)
[04:36] <BluesKaj> nope, kde 3.5.5 doesn't remember some system settings other than default ...so far in my experience at least :(
[04:37] <jel> What's that weirdly named open quake engine thing?
[04:37] <jel> :)
[04:37] <The_Croup> do you think there is anychance i could run day of defeat on ubuntu
[04:37] <jel> ohh, The_Croup: nexuiz is also good.
[04:37] <matt_qc_ca> jel: you told me to apt-cache search wacom earlier... what was the goal of this actually?
[04:38] <student> !libgraphviz-perl
[04:38] <ubotu> libgraphviz-perl: Perl interface to the GraphViz graphing tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.02-1 (edgy), package size 116 kB, installed size 356 kB
[04:38] <buz> i have installed from livecd but for some reason grub seems to be on the wrong drive
[04:38] <buz> how do i figure out the grub name of the proper drive on the livecd?
[04:38] <filosofem> :)
[04:38] <jel> The_Croup: also, uqm :)
[04:39] <Sharketor> has konqueror extensions like firefox?
[04:40] <jel> matt_qc_ca: to find what wacom packages are available.  wacom-tools is there for me.  Was that what you wanted?  I forget?
[04:40] <jel> Sharketor: yes, but not very many.  Mostly, it has options :)
[04:40] <ehird> Sharketor: yes
[04:40] <ehird> it supports netscape plugin
[04:40] <ehird> s
[04:40] <jel> Sharketor: and integration with the rest of KDE, which does other stuff like calendaring etc.
[04:41] <jel> Sharketor: or it can work as a plugin FOR other apps, rather than running the other apps inside it, so that apps can have browser functionality.
[04:41] <Sharketor> well, the only one I need is the gmauil extension. Has it?
[04:41] <alexicon> so all the nvidia-glx-conf enable does is change the driver to "nvidia"
[04:41] <jel> Sharketor: what does it do?
[04:42] <Sharketor> gmail
[04:42] <jel> gmail.com does gmail :)
[04:42] <jel> what does the gmail extension do?  I guess makes mail links go to gmail.com?
[04:42] <matt_qc_ca> jel: I want to install wacom-tools, apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-wacom wacom-tools says that xserver-xorg-input-wacom is already the newest version then I get E: Couldn't find package wacom-tools. Do I have to modify something in the repositories?
[04:43] <raul12> what is wacom tools ???
[04:43] <raul12>  :)
[04:43] <Sharketor> jel: it does auto login
[04:43] <raul12> any security tools ???
[04:43] <matt_qc_ca> raul12: wacom tools is for the Wacom tablet
[04:43] <raul12> oh
[04:43] <jel> matt_qc_ca: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories added?
[04:44] <dg6e74> is there anyway to view my system directory
[04:44] <jel> Sharketor: Hmm.  I've never needed that.  It stays logged in with konqueror for me.
[04:44] <raul12> type /root for root dir
[04:44] <raul12> type /home 4 home dir
[04:44] <TheGateKeeper> matt_qc_ca: I can see the packages in dapper
[04:45] <nickste> the "/" dir only show home and medi
[04:45] <Sharketor> jel: is there in kubuntu something like roboform in xp for the auto logins?????
[04:45] <nickste> *media
[04:45] <matt_qc_ca> jel: probably not.
[04:45] <raul12> yea
[04:45] <jel> Sharketor: if you just log in, it'll remember your passwords next time.
[04:45] <BluesKaj> scrnsvr, auto login in system settings in kcontrol don't work either , jel
[04:45] <ehird> nickste: !hidden
[04:45] <ehird> !hidden | nickste
[04:45] <ubotu> nickste: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:45] <jel> Sharketor: yes, that's built-in
[04:45] <nickste> oh right
[04:45] <nickste> thanks
[04:45] <ehird> yes, it's crap.
[04:45] <dg6e74> i need to see the contents of ./system and it says permission denied and im at root
[04:45] <raul12> buy u nedd root access to view some root files  :)
[04:45] <Hawkwind> !hidden | dg6e74
[04:45] <ubotu> dg6e74: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:45] <ehird> dg6e74: what's its permissions
[04:45] <raul12> but
[04:45] <raul12> need
[04:45] <ehird> Hawkwind: no, different problem
[04:45] <matt_qc_ca> TheGateKeeper: I'm on a morning-fresh Kubuntu Dapper install
[04:45] <jel> Sharketor: also, it's integrated with kwallet, so it's very secure
[04:46] <Hawkwind> ehird: I see that now with his last statement :P
[04:46] <nickste> dg6e74: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:46] <ehird> matt_qc_ca: hardly "fresh", you're a version behind
[04:46] <Hawkwind> nickste: No, different problem :-)
[04:46] <matt_qc_ca> ehird: by .fresh. i mean I just installed it :P
[04:46] <Sharketor> so I have to set "save password" in konqueror?
[04:46] <nickste> ah right :(
[04:47] <dg6e74> how do i open /.hidden to modifiy it
[04:47] <mth`MAW> vi .hidden
[04:47] <jel> BluesKaj: it's not supposed to work there; that would be insecure
[04:48] <ehird> mth`MAW: you should reply $(EDITOR) <file> in future to avoid flamewars :)
[04:48] <jel> Sharketor: yep
[04:48] <mth`MAW> :)
[04:48] <mth`MAW> k
[04:48] <BluesKaj> jel, it doesn't work after using admin mode as well
[04:48] <jel> Sharketor: in the dialog that pops up when you press the form button, not on the webpage; that's the website saving stuff and sending it over the web, which is bad.
[04:49] <jel> BluesKaj: it does, but not for long, it's not supposed to work for long.
[04:50] <jel> BluesKaj: because, again, that would be a security risk.  If you need an admin shell access for a long time (which I assume is what you mean), ask for an actual shell with sudo -s, and don't close it until you're done
[04:50] <jel> BluesKaj: but don't run anything in it that doesn't need to be done as admin
[04:50] <fdoving> dg6e74: kmenu -> run command 'kdesu kate /.hidden'
[04:52] <BluesKaj> why a shell , the gui system/settings  is there for a reason .,my point is that the settings should "hold" after being set in admin (root) mode
[04:52] <x-demon> !
[04:52] <x-demon> !openssh
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openssh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <nickste> what is the link for ATI install again?
[04:52] <x-demon> !opensshd
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opensshd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <BluesKaj> !ati
[04:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:53] <x-demon> how i can install openssh on kubuntu???
[04:53] <nickste> thanks
[04:53] <jel> BluesKaj: holding them for any real length of time is a security risk.  If it does that, it might as well not ask for a password at all, and just save it on disk.
[04:53] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: what happens if you remove everything in that file or delete it, it doesn't seem to exist in dapper?
[04:54] <jel> BluesKaj: if you really want to do that, you can add a password for root, and then just log in as root, from the kdm login screen.  But it's crazy.
[04:54] <BluesKaj> jel, how is a screensaver setting a security risk ?
[04:54] <TheGateKeeper>  /.hidden that is
[04:54] <matt_qc_ca> !adept
[04:54] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:54] <ehird> !hidden | TheGateKeeper
[04:54] <ubotu> TheGateKeeper: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:54] <ehird> TheGateKeeper: it's a new thing.
[04:54] <Sharketor> jel: I try, but there isn't a pop
[04:54] <ehird> you can just empty it
[04:54] <Sharketor> pop up
[04:55] <TheGateKeeper> ehird: ahhh thanx
[04:55] <BluesKaj> jel, I think we're at cross purposes here ... I wonder if we're even talking about the same thing
[04:55] <jel> BluesKaj: I'm not going to debate security 101 stuff with you.  Look up information security on wikipedia, or subscribe to some security websites if you really want to understand it.
[04:55] <Sharketor> I have completed the form and click on submit
[04:55] <Sharketor> how can I save my login account in konqueror?
[04:56] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: /.hidden is a symlink. if you delete it you will be able to view everything in / as normal, until you upgrade kubuntu-default-settings. Then i'll be replaced. The real file is at /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root editing /.hidden will equal to edit the file directly, and if you modify it the edit will be threated as a changed config, and your changes will be preserved over updates of kubuntu-default-settings
[04:56] <h_> !de
[04:56] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:56] <jel> Sharketor: it should ask if you want to save it.  Unless you've already been to the site and said that you never want to save it?
[04:56] <x-demon> how i can install openssh
[04:56] <dg6e74> ok so i  open this .hidden file and theres noting but a bunch of blue `
[04:56] <Sharketor> maybe it's so
[04:56] <Sharketor> now what can I do?
[04:57] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: thanx
[04:57] <fdoving> x-demon: install the 'ssh' package. (that will install openssh-client and openssh-server
[04:57] <x-demon> !sshd
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sshd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <fdoving> !info ssh
[04:57] <ubotu> ssh: Secure shell client and server (transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.3p2-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[04:58] <x-demon> but... only client started... when i ssh xdemon@localhost it say there is no server
[04:58] <ubuntu> i've tryed to updata from dapper i've run "apt-get dist-upgrade" only a once but now my system don't start... how can i fix this?
[04:58] <x-demon> connection refused
[04:59] <fdoving> x-demon: try 'sudo invoke-rc.d ssh restart' from konsole.
[04:59] <sudharsh> ubuntu: system wont start or are you dropped onto a terminal without gui?
[04:59] <Sharketor> jel?
[04:59] <segfault_> ubuntu, upgrade instruction clearly state u must run dist-upgrade twice before reboot, the second installs upstart
[05:00] <segfault_> ubuntu, ur best bet is boot into single user mode if u can and complete the upgrade
[05:00] <matt_qc_ca> jel: heh... needed to install a few updates to get wacom tools... i'm on wireless and the installation process coudn't fetch the updates while installing...
[05:00] <TheGateKeeper> ok anyone done a successfull upgrade from dapper to edgy (not talking about a fresh install) ???
[05:00] <x-demon> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/ssh not found.
[05:00] <fdoving> ubuntu, single user mode is the recovery option in the boot manager menu.
[05:01] <jel> Sharketor: I don't know how to reset it off the top of my hed; I'll look it up in a sec.
[05:01] <fdoving> x-demon: install 'openssh-server' then.
[05:01] <nickste> I've followed the instructions for the ATI driver, but when I do an fglrxinfo, I still get the mesa info. What can I do?
[05:01] <sudharsh> TheGateKeeper: me! me! me!
[05:01] <ubuntu> i was unable to do the second dist-upgrade because the screen saver started and i was looked out...
[05:02] <sudharsh> ubuntu: switch vts..<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1>
[05:02] <TheGateKeeper> sudharsh: you followed the recommend method & all was ok?
[05:02] <ubuntu> sudharsh: doesn-t work
[05:02] <matt_qc_ca> jel: thanks for the help :)
[05:02] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: yes, i have. my instructions is at http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[05:03] <jel> matt_qc_ca: glad it's sorted.  enjoy :)
[05:03] <sudharsh> TheGateKeeper: i just replaced dapper with edgy in the sources.list and upgraded...i didnt screw my x
[05:03] <ubuntu> segfault_: but are you shure that in single user modo the system will boot_
[05:04] <ubuntu> segfault_: ?
[05:04] <segfault_> ubuntu, no im not but since ur system wont boot what can it hurt, u did not complete the upgrade
[05:05] <ubuntu> segfault_: i've also tryed in chroot with the live-dvd but atp-get don-t work
[05:05] <livingdaylight> someohow got a folder cdrom0 on my desktop. Question is how can i remove it? it won't just delete[already tried]
[05:06] <jel> livingdaylight: it's not a folder; it's a device.
[05:07] <dg6e74> is it possible to copy a file to a foler i do not have access to i tried cp under root and the file does not show up
[05:07] <jel> livingdaylight: you can go into the preferences (either right-click on your desktop, or run from the kmenu; I forget which gets you there) and choose which devices are shown on the desktop
[05:07] <livingdaylight> jel: ok, how can i remove the device from desktop, please
[05:08] <jel> dg6e74: if you copy it there as root, and don't get errors, it'll be there.  BUT, you won't see it still, if you have no access at all.
[05:08] <dg6e74> i can see the root files now
[05:08] <dg6e74> and its not there
[05:08] <ubuntu> segfault_: i try in single user mode... see ya later
[05:08] <jel> dg6e74: ok, what commands are you trying?
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: I saw that set of instructions, didn't realise they where yours :-)
[05:09] <MidMark> is it correct to update to edgy? -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:09] <MidMark> why double dist-upgrade?
[05:09] <dg6e74> root@bla# cp ./cdkey ./system
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> sudharsh: thanx for the info
[05:09] <jel> MidMark: I don't know, but it won't hurt
[05:09] <nickste> in my xorg.conf file, should I have two "Device" Sections?
[05:10] <jel> dg6e74: and there are no errors?
[05:10] <livingdaylight> anyone else got any ideas how i can get rid of the cdrom0 on my desktop? i don't know how i got it there, apart from the fact that i downloaded some files from a dvd earlier
[05:10] <dg6e74> no
[05:10] <jel> dg6e74: type pwd
[05:10] <sudharsh> MidMark: i think the second one installs upstart
[05:10] <dg6e74> ok...
[05:10] <jel> dg6e74: followed by return :)
[05:11] <MidMark> ok
[05:11] <dg6e74> it returned /home/paul
[05:11] <jel> dg6e74: and is /home/paul/system where you're looking for the files?
[05:11] <dg6e74> no
[05:11] <dg6e74> thats where i have the file i want to copy
[05:12] <macvek> livingdaylight: eject your cdrom, it should help
[05:12] <aweb> HI, i was haveing a problem with my garphics driver. I was told to re install and then not enalbe
[05:12] <jel> dg6e74: you want to copy ./system/cdkey to somwhere else?  where?
[05:13] <aweb> the driver, i tried to that and edit the xorg config but its saying no file / folder |
[05:13] <DaSkreech> ehird: Oh speaking about flame wars
[05:13] <dg6e74> i need to copy /home/paulcdkey to /system/
[05:13] <livingdaylight> macvek: got nothing in my cdrom, not for hours
[05:13] <livingdaylight> macvek: that's the annoying thing
[05:13] <ehird> what do i need to install to enable Ruby-QT?
[05:13] <ehird> (via apt-get)
[05:13] <sonic> Hi guys, just installed Edgy and my mouse and kb keep freezing until I plug them out an plug them back in again. Anyone know why this would happen?
[05:14] <jel> to a folder called system, at the root of your filesystem?  Not in /home/paul?
[05:14] <DaSkreech>  why is the crontab editor always nano?
[05:14] <dg6e74> thats where i need to put it
[05:14] <ehird> DaSkreech: because someone coded it that way
[05:14] <jel> DaSkreech: because nano is your default editor.
[05:14] <ubuntu_> have re-installed
[05:14] <DaSkreech> ehird: Nope It's just always nano
[05:15] <ubuntu_> need liknks to grub
[05:15] <jel> ehird: you can set EDITOR in /etc/environment, or in your .bashrc
[05:15] <aweb> i was told to type /etc/X11/xorg.conf to open to xconfig editior, am i ment to change the etc to something specfic to my system ?
[05:15] <jel> ehird: you can also change the editor symlink in /etc/alternatives, perhaps
[05:15] <dg6e74> http://www.dragonbe.be/index.php?module=unreal_tournament2004 thats what im doing
[05:16] <jel> aweb: you need to type editorname filename, so something like nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:16] <ubuntu_> HELP instelled XP and then kubuntu
[05:16] <davidenik> hi
[05:16] <davidenik> guys
[05:16] <jel> aweb: or sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you 're more comfortable with gui apps
[05:17] <ubuntu_> grub is now corrupt
[05:17] <livingdaylight> Guys! i'm worried: Can't see any of my /folders except /home and /media!!! where's the rest?
[05:17] <ehird> !hidden
[05:17] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:17] <ehird> !hidden | livingdaylight
[05:17] <ubotu> livingdaylight: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:17] <ehird> yes, it's stupid
[05:17] <jel> livingdaylight: they're still there, it just doesn't show them because that confuses some people
[05:17] <ehird> yes, it's rubbish
[05:17] <aweb> jel: i just tried that added kate witch it the text editor i have it just taid cant connect to x server
[05:17] <ehird> jel: those people shouldn't use linux!!
[05:17] <macvek> ubuntu_: run XP cdrom and then go to console and type fixmbr, it will make xp bootloader a default one
[05:18] <jel> ehird: those people should learn linux :)
[05:18] <davidenik> guys has anyone installed a webcam CREATIVE VISTA ?
[05:18] <jel> ehird: or not use computers of any description :)
[05:18] <x-demon> thx - ssh working
[05:18] <ehird> jel: exactly
[05:18] <livingdaylight> ehird: thx, for reassuring me. Really weird though
[05:19] <ehird> livingdaylight: echo "" > /.hidden
[05:19] <ehird> :)
[05:19] <dg6e74> is it possible to log in to kubuntu as root not a user
[05:20] <ehird> dg6e74: yes, but you don't want to
[05:20] <ehird> trust me
[05:20] <dg6e74> at this point whats the worst that could happen
[05:20] <jel> dg6e74: yep, but it's very silly.  That's one of the big  mistakes that windows made, and is finally correcting
[05:21] <jel> brb
[05:21] <ehird> dg6e74: you could mess up the interweb by effing up a command on root :-D
[05:21] <bthibault> hi
[05:21] <ehird> and i mean da whole interweb!!1
[05:22] <dg6e74> i cant log in to kubuntu as root i tried onec and it said i couldent log in as root
[05:22] <aweb> Iam trying to open my x config file but when i do i just get cannont connect to x server any ideas why ?
[05:22] <ehird> anybody know ruby-qt's package name?
[05:22] <klekkus> hi everyone. I just installed Kubuntu 6.10 edgy as my first distro (exept from windows:P) and i have a problem with sources.list file... Ive found out to get all the software i need i have to get a new sources.list file
[05:23] <ehird> klekkus: just uncomment universe lines
[05:23] <ehird> open terminal, type sudo $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:23] <ehird> look for "Universe" and "multiverse" lines, remove the "# " from them
[05:23] <ehird> save the file
[05:23] <klekkus> ehird: oops, ive allready deleted the original file
[05:23] <trappist> ehird: or sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list, which does the same thing
[05:23] <livingdaylight> Guys, in /media i got 4 blue folders/directories 'cdrom' ; 'cdrom1'; 'floppy'; 'floppy0' along side that now there is a grey! folder/directory called cdrom0 - dunno what it is or does, but it has shown up and is in view on my desktop - help, please!
[05:23] <ehird> then sudo apt-get - klekkus: you id-
[05:23] <ehird> You deleted sources.llist?
[05:23] <ehird> Nice one
[05:23] <klekkus> ehird: yap:P
[05:24] <ehird> klekkus: yeah, um, go back to window
[05:24] <ehird> s
[05:24] <nickste> !beryl_on_ati
[05:24] <aweb> Iam trying to open my x config file but when i do i just get cannont connect to x server any ideas why ?
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl_on_ati - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:24] <klekkus> ehird: :P i tried to post a new ome
[05:24] <nickste> !beryl ati
[05:24] <davidenik> guys has anyone installed a webcam CREATIVE VISTA ?
[05:24] <Pensacola> is kmail better than thunderbird?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> aweb,  and how exactly are you trying to do this..
[05:24] <ehird> Pensacola: that's subjective
[05:24] <livingdaylight> !repos
[05:24] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:24] <ehird> it's native to kde, and thunderbird isn't though
[05:24] <Pensacola> ok
[05:24] <sudharsh> Pensacola: depends on whom you are asking..give both of them a shot
[05:25] <Pensacola> I've been using tb for some time now but I'm trying other stuff out :)
[05:25] <aweb> dr_willis, i typed kate /ect/x11/xorg.conf whilst in terminal
[05:25] <Sharketor> jel: well, nothing?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> aweb,  you need to use  'sudo whatever '
[05:26] <Dr_willis> !sudo
[05:26] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:26] <livingdaylight> klekkus: here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy copyand paste the sources.list
[05:26] <bthibault> anybody know how to get .mov files to play in firefox? I dnloaded mozilla-player, but it didn't seem to help
[05:26] <ehird> i suggest using ubuntu-hr.org as a server, it's ALWAYS fast
[05:27] <klekkus> livingdaylight: thanks:D!
[05:27] <Pensacola> I think vlc might be able to play them
[05:27] <livingdaylight> klekkus: the ubuntuguide.org will stand you in good stead. Follow the guide but bear in mind you are in kubunut (kde) opposed to Ubuntu (gnome)
[05:27] <aweb> dr_willis, tryed that same message, i was told to edit the files to try and correct this problem http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10552.0
[05:27] <ehird> Kubunut? Is that like someone who really loves Kubu?
[05:27] <ubuntu> segfault_: i'm unable to upgrade in single user mode...
[05:27] <livingdaylight> klekkus: so instead of sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:28] <bthibault> ok thanks, i'll try vlc
[05:28] <klekkus> livingdaylight: i tried to copy a mans sources file, but i got key error
[05:28] <bthibault> does it have browser support or do i have to dnload the files?
[05:28] <marksnuz> ne1 know is there are any configuration options for adept-notifier ??? like update frequency, automaticly d/l updates, stuff like that  ???
[05:28] <livingdaylight> klekkus: if you've already deleted that file fine - otherwise replace it anywaywith the whole bit the guide gives you
[05:28] <marksnuz> err adept-updater i guess ..
[05:28] <livingdaylight> klekkus: a mans sources file?
[05:28] <segfault_> ubuntu, what happened
[05:28] <dg6e74> how can i enable root login
[05:29] <ehird> which of these do i want?:
[05:29] <ehird> libqt0-ruby1.8 - Qt bindings for Ruby
[05:29] <ehird> libqt0-ruby1.8-qt4 - Qt4 bindings for Rub
[05:29] <livingdaylight> !paste
[05:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:29] <klekkus> livingdaylight: to sec, ill give you url
[05:29] <ehird> 3 lines is hardly flooding
[05:29] <klekkus> omg is it halloween today:O?
[05:29] <ehird> klekkus: ... yes...
[05:30] <ubuntu> segfault_: i've got this error from apt-get: "E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt
[05:30] <macvek> dg6e74: o KDM, just go to console, (alt+n?) and from shell log to root, and then type startx
[05:30] <ehird> ubuntu did you sudo apt-get?
[05:30] <ehird> macvek: why did you tell him that? ugh
[05:30] <macvek> why not ?
[05:30] <knight> Hi all
[05:30] <ehird> macvek: root = dangerous
[05:30] <Dr_willis> aweb,  you need to  edit the file as the root users.. using sudo, kdesu, or gnomes equilivent.. or just 'su -s' in a shell and use a console based editor like nano/pico/vi/fte/mcedit
[05:30] <ubuntu> segfault_: "E: the pachege list or status file could not be parsed or opend"
[05:30] <livingdaylight> klekkus: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29553/ this has what you need from teh ubuntuguide.org
[05:30] <knight> I am working on kiosk mode for kubuntu
[05:30] <ehird> Dr_willis: no! do sudo <editor>
[05:30] <ubuntu> segfault_: yes

[05:31] <knight> anyone familiar with that
[05:31] <Dr_willis> ehird,  whatever. aparently sudo kwhatever isent working for him.
[05:31] <macvek> ehird: right, but if he wants to experiment with it it is up to him
[05:31] <knight> with kiosk admin tool
[05:31] <marksnuz> so nobody knows about options for adept updater ?
[05:31] <klekkus> livingdaylight: thnxz, ill trie that!:D
[05:31] <livingdaylight> klekkus: never mind what you did, just follow the instructions i give you and you should be fine
[05:31] <Dr_willis> knight,  ive seen several tutorals on it. :)
[05:31] <knight> ok dr willis
[05:31] <jel> Sharketor: there's probably an easy way (google for it if you need it; I don't have time; sorry) but  this way should work if you can do it: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-468376-highlight-konqueror+password.html
[05:31] <knight> where
[05:32] <livingdaylight> klekkus: remember after you replace /paste the new repository list save and exit and then do the wget line
[05:32] <Dr_willis> knight,  google, and linux mags.
[05:32] <knight> ok but this is the thing
[05:32] <klekkus> livingdaylight: okei, im doing it now, to sec and ill reply if all went good;D
[05:32] <knight> the one I am setting up
[05:32] <Dr_willis> knight,  i made a locked out guest user once with it.. wasent too hard. :) depends onm what you are doing i guess.
[05:32] <ehird> macvek: his reasons were bad
[05:32] <ehird> any ideas?
[05:33] <knight> oh ok
[05:33] <eilker> hi, at booting, i get this error   " cannot open font file ter-vf16" anyone knows the reason ?
[05:33] <macvek> ehird: maybe he will learn something, it is his pc
[05:33] <ehird> would it be qt4 or qt that i need?
[05:33] <ehird> i'm not sure what KDE 3.5.5 uses :/
[05:33] <jel> ehird: qt3 (a.k.a qt)
[05:33] <Sharketor> jel: ok, I'll try
[05:34] <Sharketor> thanks
[05:34] <ehird> jel: thanks
[05:34] <jel> ehird: qt4 is the new fancy one with all sorts of anti-aliased opengl-accelerated stuff, which kde4 will use
[05:34] <jel> Sharketor: np :)
[05:34] <jel> ehird: welcome :)
[05:34] <vge> what is a good GUI program to develop linux apps?
[05:34] <segfault_> ubuntu, are all of ur drivers mounted?
[05:34] <ehird> jel: right, so i should use qt3 if i'm writing a music player in ruby
[05:34] <ehird> :P
[05:34] <segfault_> ubuntu, drivers=drives
[05:35] <livingdaylight> klekkus: be sure after you've pasted the new repositories into your sources.list file that you've saved.
[05:35] <ehird> vge: kdevelop
[05:35] <BluesKaj> my boot mgr list consists of 6 different kubuntu kernels and I'm only using the latest one...is there a way to delete the others ?
[05:35] <ehird> =p
[05:35] <livingdaylight> klekkus: then in terminal paste wget http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/12B83718.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[05:35] <ubuntu> segfault_: yes
[05:35] <klekkus> livingdaylight: yes, i will
[05:35] <klekkus> livingdaylight: done;):D:D
[05:35] <livingdaylight> klekkus: then do sudo apt-get update
[05:35] <eilker> Dr_willis: hi, at booting, i get this error   " cannot open font file ter-vf16" do u know  the reason ?
[05:35] <segfault_> ubuntu, u get root when tyoe whoami?
[05:35] <TheGateKeeper> vge: Anjuta, KDevelop ???
[05:35] <akrus> hello everyone
[05:35] <livingdaylight> klekkus: alldone? :p
[05:35] <Dr_willis> eilker,  sounds like a console font to me. you are seeing this when exactly?
[05:35] <akrus> wanna ask one thing :)
[05:36] <jel> ehird: if there is a ruby package that uses qt4, and you don't need kde-specific stuff, then... no, I would start developing for qt4, since it's better, and will be mainstream soon enough :)
[05:36] <akrus> I wanna create a mirror for Kubuntu ISOs
[05:36] <klekkus> livingdaylight: yes, thankyou, it all went good:D
[05:36] <akrus> should I ask to add the links someone?
[05:36] <ubuntu> segfault_: i don't have tried... i should reboot for try this...
[05:36] <klekkus> livingdaylight: lifesaver. i tought i never was supposed to get to trie out ubuntu with kde:)
[05:36] <livingdaylight> klekkus: hehe... now you're set. You should have 20,000+ packages ready to be installed at the click of a button
[05:36] <eilker> Dr_willis: when booting at black screen before the kde is opened
[05:36] <Pensacola> is there any way to setup the special keys on my logitech keyboard, they are working out of the box from edgy but I'd like some of them to do something different
[05:37] <jel> eilker: try sudo apt-get install console-data
[05:37] <ubuntu> segfault_: is possible to do this upgrade in chroot?
[05:37] <ehird> jel: not use if kdevelop supports qt4
[05:37] <ehird> i'll use qt3.
[05:37] <livingdaylight> klekkus: so, you're familiar with Ubuntu already?
[05:37] <klekkus> We have it on my job..
[05:37] <livingdaylight> !pm
[05:37] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[05:37] <jel> eilker: and if not, try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[05:37] <Dr_willis> eilker,  thats a console font setting then.. odd that its got an error.. the system fails to boot because of this? or just spits out a warning?
[05:37] <segfault_> ubuntu, try that bootinto single user mode, type mount and make sure everything is mounted and make sure u r root
[05:37] <segfault_> ubuntu, i think so but im not sure
[05:37] <BluesKaj> !GRUB
[05:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:37] <livingdaylight> klekkus: ok, so you know the package manager - APT and its gui frontend Synaptic?
[05:37] <ehird> also why is it that kde seems to use my higher resolution to antialias the fonts nicely and not give me more space :/
[05:37] <livingdaylight> !package manager
[05:37] <klekkus> livingdaylight: yes, a little bit.
[05:38] <eilker> Dr_willis: sir, just warning
[05:38] <livingdaylight> !Adept
[05:38] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:38] <ubuntu> segfault_: ok i try
[05:38] <eilker> jel: i am doing what u said, thanx
[05:38] <jel> np :)
[05:38] <klekkus> livingdaylight: well, thanks for all help livingdaylight. i have to go:)
[05:38] <livingdaylight> klekkus: well, in Kubuntu they have a differen't gui frontend its called Adept. Check Applications/System
[05:38] <livingdaylight> klekkus: ok, nevermind :)
[05:39] <klekkus> livingdaylight: i will check out, soon
[05:39] <livingdaylight> Guys, in /media i got 4 blue folders/directories 'cdrom' ; 'cdrom1'; 'floppy'; 'floppy0' along side that now there is a grey! folder/directory called cdrom0 - dunno what it is or does, but it has shown up and is in view on my
[05:39] <livingdaylight> desktop, please help?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> eilker,  then dont worry about it. :)  heh heh..
[05:40] <Sharketor> jel: all ok, I have solved the problem
[05:40] <Sharketor> thanks again
[05:40] <Sharketor> :)
[05:40] <jel> Sharketor: cool.  Glad it worked out for you :)
[05:40] <Dr_willis> eilker,  some how the console font is trying to set to some font file you dont have.. which is odd..   its then using the default i am guessing
[05:41] <eilker> Dr_willis: : in fact, it makes no sense, i just wondered reason:)
[05:41] <jel> livingdaylight: cdrom 0 is the first cdrom drive, also known as just "cdrom".
[05:41] <Sharketor> another question: is it secure store passwords in kwallet????
[05:41] <livingdaylight> Can someone not tell me why i have cdrom, cdrom1 and cdrom0?
[05:41] <livingdaylight> jel: ok, so why three?
[05:41] <jel> livingdaylight: if it shows on your desktop, it's because there's a CD in that drive, probably.
[05:41] <jel> livingdaylight: and cdrom1 is your cdwriter, or dvd drive, I'd guess.
[05:42] <livingdaylight> jel: dude, i keep telling people that it is empty nor is it called cdrom0
[05:42] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  do a   ' ls -l /media  '    most of those are links to each other.. oddly.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> i never have seen the reason for all the links.
[05:42] <livingdaylight> jel: i have dvd and cdrom but that is it
[05:42] <klekkus> livingdaylight: hi again. you dont know about a howto getting madwifi to work
[05:42] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  you have 2 actual cd devices?
[05:42] <jel> livingdaylight: yep, so that's normal.
[05:43] <chx> hi. i am tyring to download the kubuntu DVD torrent and it's extremely slow (i tried other torrents and they are normal speed so the error is not on my end). I know it depends on peers but there are tons of peers seemingly. What could be wrong?
[05:43] <klekkus> i have a atheros ar5005g wireless card, wich doesnt seem to be supported by default in kubuntu 6.10 edgy
[05:43] <Sharketor> is it secure storing passwords in kwallet????
[05:43] <chx> Sharketor: define secure
[05:43] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: i have cdrom and dvdrom devices http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29554/
[05:43] <nickste> how do I check if XGL is installed?
[05:44] <jel> Sharketor: as long as you use a good password, it should be reasonably good, yes.
[05:44] <jel> nickste: glxinfo
[05:45] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: i've given you the output on ls -l /media http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29554/ maybe you can diagnose the problem from there, :D
[05:45] <jel> nickste: specifically, look for the Direct rendering: line near the top, or glxinfo | grep Direct
[05:45] <macvek> livingdaylight: try 'sudo umount /media/cdrom0'
[05:45] <macvek> maybe he think it is still mounted ...
[05:46] <livingdaylight> jel: i did what Dr_willis suggested http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29554/
[05:46] <nickste> direct rendering is on
[05:46] <livingdaylight> macvek: says cdrom0 not mounted
[05:46] <macconline> hi... the package kdelibs-bin have status: installed, request: uninstalling.... why?
[05:46] <jel> livingdaylight: that's entirely normal
[05:47] <livingdaylight> jel: no it isn't
[05:47] <livingdaylight> not even partially normal
[05:47] <macvek> livingdaylight: maybe other way, put cd to cdrom, and then eject it :P
[05:47] <Jucato> macconline: what are you trying to do?
[05:47] <jel> livingdaylight: why not?  If therl e's something wrong, you'll have to explain it.
[05:47] <macconline> jucato, hi... update at kde 3.5.5 per Adept update
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> all: must I take extra actions to upgrade breezy to edgy!?
[05:48] <TheGateKeeper> hiya Jucato, someone told me google notebook works with firefox 2
[05:48] <Jucato> macconline: from what version of KDE?
[05:48] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: ah maybe now they do :)
[05:48] <klekkus> Hi again everyone. I now seem to have another problem, this time with me wlan. I have a atheros ar5005g wireless card on my notebook witch doesnt seem to work native with ubuntu (kubuntu). Anyone have experience with atheros ar5005g card or similar card on ubuntu (maybe a howto) ? thanks for reply
[05:48] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: but I wasn't absolutely sure anyway
[05:48] <macvek> livingdaylight: your ls -l /media output is almost same as mine, problem isn't here
[05:48] <livingdaylight> jel: coz, i didn't have cdrom0 on my desktop when i installed edgy fresh. It's happened today, and i don't know how or how to undo it
[05:48] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: np :-)
[05:49] <macconline> 3.5.2
[05:49] <jel> livingdaylight: I told you.  It detects when you put in CDs, and adds an icon on your desktop.  That's common on many computers, just not windows.
[05:49] <macconline> Jucato: 3.5.2
[05:49] <livingdaylight> macvek: That did it!
[05:49] <macvek> ? puting and removeing ?
[05:49] <Jucato> macconline: ah then that's normal. kdelibs-bin will be replaced by kdelibs4c2a
[05:49] <Dr_willis> KDE has a feature to show 'mounted' cds/device  ... or unmounted devices works for hd's nfs/samba/ and all other kinds of devices also.
[05:50] <jel> livingdaylight: I also told you, if you go to the preferences, you can select which devices appear on your desktop
[05:50] <livingdaylight> jel: yes, but what is not normal is if when ejecting the cd afterwards the folder cdrom0 remains on the desktop
[05:50] <jel> livingdaylight: you're supposed to right-click, and unmount the device before removing it.
[05:50] <livingdaylight> macvek: yes, i put in a cd again and removed it and the cdrom0 disappeared
[05:50] <macconline> jucato: ok, so update with confidence??
[05:50] <livingdaylight> jel: so, what is 'Eject' for?
[05:51] <macvek> lol :]  the easiest way :P
[05:51] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  eject can umount and 'open' the cd tray
[05:51] <macvek> it tells linux to umount it before ejecting
[05:51] <Jucato> macconline: you are using Adept right? as long as you clicked "Full Upgrade" go ahead
[05:51] <jel> livingdaylight: windows' bad design :)
[05:51] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: i assumed likewise, but jel is effectively implying it is my fault because i removed the cd wrong by not 'unmounting' it
[05:52] <macvek> brb
[05:52] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  you shouldent be able to hit the 'button' and remove the cd. when somthing is accessing it. (that is to say, while its still mounted)
[05:52] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: all i did in teh first place was to eject
[05:52] <macconline> jucato: Full Upgrade: update a kubuntu 6.10???
[05:52] <Dr_willis> then again - i really dislike the whole 'auto-mounting  fetish' people just have to have these days. :P
[05:52] <macconline> jucato: or only kde 3.5.5
[05:52] <Jucato> hm.. did you change the "dapper" words to "edgy" in your repositories?
[05:53] <macconline> nop
[05:53] <macconline> jucato: nop. dapper in repositories
[05:53] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: i see, so maybe after i copied the backup files to my /home folder and then did something with one of the folders with audacity ; removeing the dvd then was not good
[05:53] <Jucato> macconline: ah, then only KDE gets upgraded
[05:53] <macconline> Jucato: thanks....
[05:54] <livingdaylight> by the way anyone here familiar with Audacity?
[05:54] <david__> Hello every body !!
[05:55] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: you're back...
[05:55] <aweb> dr_willis, i used the nano editor to open the xorg.conf file but when i opened it was empty for some reason
[05:55] <livingdaylight> so, no one's used Audacity to convert mp3's to OGG, hrmmm....
[05:55] <Dragozor> What ? I am french and i skeak not en lot of in english
[05:56] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: lol, you've come to do some trolling?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> aweb,  Hmmm.. i would guess a typo on your part..    check ' cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ' that should show the file if so.. then ' nano  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  '   should edit it
[05:56] <Dragozor> Linigdaylight, yes i come to do some trolling.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> aweb,  you did give the proper/full path to the file? :P just nano xorg.conf looks in the current dir.
[05:57] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: good luck! :p Is misspelling words on purpose your fun?
[05:58] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: zounding like eh Frensch-man ...oui?
[05:58] <Dragozor>  :?
[05:59] <Dragozor> You speak frech livingdaylight ?
[05:59] <Dragozor> lol
[05:59] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: eh, yes, ah speek eh leetehl..oui :)
[05:59] <akrus> hehe
[05:59] <joakim> hi how do u get Logitech MX5000 work in kubuntu edgy ?
[06:00] <akrus> one more kubuntu mirror :)
[06:00] <akrus> http://kubuntu.flygames.net/ :D
[06:00] <jel> livingdaylight: you choose the eject option in the menu?  Or pressed the eject button on the front?  The latter would be bad, the other is fine.
[06:00] <jel> joakim: what is it?
[06:00] <aweb> dr_willis, yea i wrote the full path
[06:01] <livingdaylight> jel: i generally press eject from teh menu, but this is going a few hours back, so it is possible that i did it from the 'front' as you say
[06:01] <joakim> Logitech MX500 is a keybord and mus
[06:01] <livingdaylight> jel: i'll be sure to be certain next time to do it from teh menu anyhow, thx again :D
[06:01] <joakim> it dont work in edgy but in dapper it s work
[06:01] <aweb> dr_willis, tried it with cat and siad no file / directory :S
[06:02] <livingdaylight> joakim: shame...how about the mx3000 does that work?
[06:02] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: ping
[06:02] <macvek> Does Edgy have X11R7 or X11R6 ?
[06:03] <jel> livingdaylight: ok.  If you do choose the eject menu option, and remove the cd, it should disappear.  However, there might be some small issues with konqueror keeping track of it too long.  If so, file a bug report, and someone will fix it I guess.
[06:03] <joakim> is this kaybord
[06:03] <joakim> http://www.gadgetreview.com/uploaded_images/8010-780759.jpg
[06:03] <joakim> thats do not work i edgy
[06:04] <livingdaylight> joakim: das ist die 3000 oder die 5000 logitech mx?
[06:04] <joakim> 5000
[06:05] <nickv111> How can one go about doing an Edgy Kubuntu PXE netboot install?
[06:07] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:07] <Pensacola> can kmail be used for news servers?
[06:07] <joakim> ok ii got a how to nwo https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup?highlight=%28bluetooth%29
[06:08] <joakim> good nyw
[06:08] <joakim> bye
[06:08] <joakim> see yaa
[06:08] <nickv111> Wait, what do HP computers use to do a network boot?
[06:09] <nickv111> Netboot, or PXE?
[06:09] <nickv111> I want to use whichever the HP computers
[06:09] <nickv111> use.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> hmm i thought those were the same... guess i havent messed with them much
[06:13] <ut2004> can someone please explain to me why i cant login to kubuntu as root and if it is possible how to do it
[06:13] <danic84> hi guys
[06:13] <danic84> i have a problem
[06:14] <ketsugi> ut2004: Ubuntu does not allow any root access at all
[06:14] <ketsugi> login to your regular account
[06:14] <danic84> i try to umount my ipod
[06:14] <ketsugi> if you need to do something that requires root, use sudo instead
[06:14] <danic84> but it says:umount: /mnt/ipod: device is busy
[06:15] <danic84> what can i do?
[06:15] <ut2004> i need to create the directory ./system
[06:15] <danic84> help me please
[06:16] <ut2004> how can i do that
[06:16] <sorush20> I keep getting the message that sudoer retured with and and error message how do I fix this?
[06:17] <macvek> ut2004: sudo mkdir system
[06:17] <teapot> hello I have just connected here
[06:18] <ut2004> i do that and get mkdir: cannot create directory `system': File exists
[06:18] <macvek> danic84: make sure no apps are using you ipod, then type cd / to go out of ipod directory
[06:18] <ut2004> how do i view the contents of the the directory ./system if it already exists
[06:18] <klekkus> hi everyone. Im sitting on my laptop witch ive just installed kubuntu on and my wireless card didnt work out of the box so i followed a madwifi guide to get my atheros ar5005g card working. I got as far as i had to, I ve managed to modprobe ath_pci but still my ath0 card wont be listed
[06:19] <macvek> ls ./system
[06:19] <klekkus> when i do ifconfig ath0 it prints "no such device"
[06:19] <sorush20> klekkus: do you have the firmware for it installed?
[06:19] <klekkus> anyone knows what more to do, as ive said, ive modprobed ath_pci but still.. need to get my wireless card working
[06:19] <jel> klekkus: did you mean *e*th0 ?
[06:19] <klekkus> sorush20: firmware?
[06:19] <ut2004> ok how do i create a file there
[06:20] <klekkus> klekkus: no, i mean _ATH0_ :P
[06:20] <chx> what should I RTFM if I want to install Kubuntu over the Internet :) ?
[06:20] <jel> klekkus: yeah, I thought you might.  Just came back, and hadn't read your earlier message :)
[06:20] <danic84> i used gtkpod
[06:20] <chx> I mean, boot something minimal and then download on demand
[06:20] <ubuntu_> i am busty box error
[06:20] <jel> chx: "Beginner's guide to downloading iso images"? ;)
[06:20] <danic84> but i quit it
[06:20] <macvek> ut2004: type sudo chown yournick ./system and then give yourself r/w permission
[06:21] <chx> jel: "attaching cd drives to ultra-subnotebooks"?
[06:21] <klekkus> jel: :P well, anyone have any ideas? as ive said to new pplz i have modprobed the ath_pci module, is it something else i need to do for the ath0 device (wireless card)
[06:21] <jel> chx: there may be a netinstall (or "netinst") cd image available, which provides the basics, and downloads the rest
[06:21] <chx> netinst
[06:22] <sorush20> klekkus: so after modprobe the card is not in iwconfig
[06:22] <macvek> klekkus: maybe you have to add these modules to /init.d/modules or somewhere where they will be probed after reboot and the reboot your pc
[06:22] <jel> chx: then you don't want an internet install, you want a network boot "PXE" install.  There is a disk image for that, I think.  Requires another computer to serve the data, afaik.
[06:22] <klekkus> macvek: did that twice
[06:22] <macvek> :P
[06:22] <ubuntu_>  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=UUID=bd56fa23-64da-464c-aa76-eedd651b69c4 ro quiet splaSh
[06:22] <ut2004> so i type this as root: chown paul ./system
[06:23] <chx> jel: mmm does not sound too good. netinst would work with an usb device. but seems a Debian only option.
[06:23] <sorush20> here is my error http://pastebin.co.uk/4920
[06:24] <jel> chx: my advice then, is to install a BASE debian system, and upgrade from there.
[06:24] <macvek> and then 'chmod +rw ./system' without sudo, and you should have permission to write and read from it
[06:24] <chx> jel: upgrade from Debian to Ubuntu? Holy cow!
[06:25] <ut2004> how do i get out of ">"
[06:25] <macvek> yhm ?
[06:25] <chx> jel: install Debian, change sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:25] <sorush20> suddenly i can't do sudo anymore any help peopele.. I'm still part of admin in the secondary users..
[06:25] <danic84> macvek:i quited gtkpod and i tried again but don't work
[06:26] <jel> chx: ie, use the debian netinstall, but when it asks about using task select or adding packages, say no to it all, leaving you with just a console (no kde or gnome), and a few basic utils.  edit /etc/apt/sources.list to use ubuntu's settings, and then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade.  Then, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop upstart usplash.   Shouldn't be too hard.
[06:26] <carlos_> hi, i need help
[06:26] <sorush20> klekkus: did you get things working?
[06:26] <sorush20> carlos_:
[06:26] <sorush20> what di you need help with?
[06:26] <jel> chx: if it's your only system, make sure you write down the necessary ubuntu sources.list exactly beforehand though :)
[06:27] <klekkus> sorush20: all seems to be working except it wont recognize my card, its not listed in iwlist and ifconfig is printing "no such device"
[06:27] <carlos_> i just installed ati driver from ati webpage and he asked me to save my xwindow config file and run aticonfig
[06:27] <macvek> danic84: but you are not in konsole in the dir mounted to ipod ?
[06:27] <sorush20> klekkus: what about iwconfig
[06:27] <danic84> no
[06:27] <carlos_> i just installed kubuntu
[06:27] <ut2004> if i do cd ./system it says it does not exist
[06:27] <chx> jel: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ what one can find :)
[06:28] <ut2004> if i do ./system it says permision denied
[06:28] <DaSkreech> ehird: What's Kubu ?
[06:28] <chx> jel: are you in a position to get this linked from somewhere.... how to say...? more accessible?
[06:28] <klekkus> sorush20: iwconfig prints no card
[06:28] <macvek> ut2004: what do you exacly want to do with the system directory ?
[06:28] <klekkus> or, it prints no ath0 card:S
[06:28] <ut2004> add a file
[06:29] <macvek> ut2004: just type 'cd system'
[06:29] <jel> chx: I'm not a debian or ubuntu dev, if that's what you're asking.  What would "more accessible" be?
[06:29] <carlos_> what am i supossed to do
[06:29] <ut2004> bash: cd: system: Not a directory
[06:29] <sorush20> klekkus: do lsmod and see if the relavant module for your card is shown there and loaded.. / ? do you know what module it is?
[06:29] <macvek> ut2004: can you send my on pm, the ls -l output ?
[06:30] <sorush20> ho do I add myself back to the sudo users again I keep getting this error http://pastebin.co.uk/4920
[06:30] <chx> jel: a link from http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download?action=show&redirect=download or one of its childs
[06:30] <klekkus> sorush20: ive allready done that, and yes, ath_pci is loaded
[06:30] <sorush20> what how to did you look at ?
[06:30] <chx> jel: http://ftp.cw.net/pub/linux/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/ best from here
[06:30] <carlos_> sorush20: do you know what i have to do?
[06:31] <sorush20> carlos_: I missed what you asked
[06:31] <jel> chx: oh, it's not in the standard ubuntu mirrors, and you think it should be?  Can't help, sorry.
[06:31] <carlos_> i installed ati driver an it asked me to run aticonfig
[06:32] <sorush20> !ati
[06:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:32] <carlos_> thx
[06:32] <jel> chx: http://www.bigmaninjapan.com/2005/10/16/install-ubuntu-510-breezy-from-a-flash-disk/   ?
[06:32] <chx> jel: much rather http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272588
[06:32] <sorush20> carlos_: are you sure your card is supposed to be used with that driver...  only the really new cards use the ati binary driver.. but the older ones like mine use the ubuntu packged driverd
[06:33] <sorush20> carlos_: what card do you have?
[06:33] <carlos_> yea its a mobility radeon
[06:33] <sorush20> carlos_: do lspci and paste just one line of the card into here..
[06:34] <sorush20> can anyone help me http://pastebin.co.uk/4920
[06:34] <macvek> ut2004: wait, the system is a file, not a directory
[06:34] <jel> chx:  neat; I didn't realise it was that easy :)
[06:34] <ut2004> did u get it
[06:34] <ut2004> yes
[06:34] <chx> jel: it should be :)
[06:34] <ut2004> i need to put a file in it
[06:34] <carlos_>  Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Co
[06:34] <carlos_> ntroller (rev 03)
[06:35] <danic84> how can i do to put photo in my ipod?
[06:35] <knapper> hello
[06:35] <danic84> with gtkpod?
[06:35] <carlos_> the problem is that i dont have widescreen nor 3d
[06:35] <carlos_> only low resolution
[06:35] <knapper> The little update manager icon in the notificiation area doesn't show up anymore, how can I get it back?
[06:35] <sorush20> carlos_: that is intel not ati ..
[06:36] <sorush20> !intel
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <knapper> (the little green dot)
[06:36] <ut2004> exactly what i need to do is put a file in ./system
[06:36] <carlos_> so i screwed up...
[06:36] <ut2004> if i need to create that directory then i need to
[06:36] <Kiongku> hey guys.. what good ftp client is there for linux?
[06:36] <jel> ut2004: what is ./system for?
[06:36] <macvek> ut2004: is ./ your home directory ?
[06:37] <carlos_> so ill hve to uninstall the ati driver, i just installed at and i haven't rebooted
[06:37] <sorush20> carlos_: no not at all.. its not an ati chip its and intel.. I think you should paste out the whole output of you lspci on the pastebin so I can have a look
[06:37] <carlos_> ok
[06:37] <chx> jel: thanks for the 'netinst' keyword  it made my life easy (for I found this thread with netinst edgy usb :) )
[06:37] <ut2004> how do i tell my home directory
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !rtfm
[06:37] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[06:37] <jel> chx: hehhe, it's all about keywords in the google age, huh? ;)
[06:37] <sorush20> carlos_: I'm not so sure you should do that. We haven't figured out if it is and ati or not..
[06:38] <jel> jfgi?
[06:38] <jel> never heard that one.
[06:38] <sorush20> !jfgi
[06:38] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[06:38] <trappist> ut2004: echo ~
[06:38] <Erich-K> Hello
[06:38] <macvek> ut2004: in which directory are you at the moment ?
[06:38] <carlos_> sorush20: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29564/
[06:38] <sorush20> Erich-K:
[06:38] <jel> just fekkin' get isos? :)
[06:39] <jel> joo ...something something something...? :)
[06:39] <trappist> jf google it
[06:39] <jel> good point :)
[06:39] <carlos_> my laptop is a dell inspiron 6400, and the guide that came with it sayd it had a ati controler
[06:39] <Erich-K> If I have a dvd reader on one of my computers (running windows XP) and I'm sharing it across my network with linux, How can I mount it?
[06:39] <trappist> jel: no, that's what it stands for
[06:39] <jel> ohh, that's what it stands for too :D
[06:39] <jel> hahha :)
[06:39] <jel> I see.  sorry :D
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ut2004: type in pwd
[06:40] <trappist> jel: you'd know if you'd jfgi
[06:40] <trappist> ;)
[06:40] <jel> yesh :)
[06:40] <ut2004>  /home/paul
[06:40] <sorush20> carlos_: start up sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:40] <trappist> ut2004: are you trying to put something in your ut2004 System directory?
[06:40] <sorush20> then select the intel driver..
[06:40] <DaSkreech> ut2004: mv system system.old
[06:40] <DaSkreech> mkdir system
[06:40] <DaSkreech> cd system
[06:40] <ut2004> yes
[06:40] <macvek> so you should have rights to make directory here, mkdir system
[06:40] <trappist> ut2004: it's System, not system (case sensitive)
[06:41] <carlos_> ok done
[06:41] <sorush20> carlos_: then make sure you don't have any unsaved data and ctrl + alt + backspace
[06:41] <ut2004> ok
[06:41] <Erich-K> Anyone?
[06:41] <trappist> ut2004: and it should be in your .ut2004 directory
[06:41] <sorush20> carlos_: it should not have been that quick..
[06:41] <DaSkreech> ut2007 << MMMM
[06:41] <trappist> DaSkreech: one day :)
[06:41] <carlos_> no i did the command
[06:41] <jel> trappist: ahh.. they're trying to create a CD key file for ut?
[06:41] <sorush20> did it auto detect you monitor resolution?
[06:41] <carlos_> i go tru the wizard ok?
[06:41] <trappist> jel: don't know, I missed the beginning
[06:42] <trappist> ut2004: cp filename ~/.ut2004/System/
[06:42] <carlos_> after that i do control+alt+backspace?
[06:42] <DaSkreech> trappist: Perhaps you want to ask what ut2004 wants to get done?
[06:43] <trappist> DaSkreech: might not be a bad idea :) but last I read he was trying to put a file in his ut2004 System directory
[06:43] <sorush20> carlos_: yes.. that will log you out and restart into kubuntu.. if you can't restart then you should go to recovery mode and use another driver live vesa
[06:43] <jel> carlos: better to logout, switch to a console, and run /etc/init.d/kdm restart.   But..yeah :)
[06:43] <DaSkreech> trappist: You assume that cause his nick is ut2004 :)
[06:43] <trappist> DaSkreech: no, I assume because I asked him :) 11:40 <trappist> ut2004: are you trying to put something in your ut2004 System directory?
[06:43] <ut2004> this is what im doing
[06:43] <ut2004> http://www.dragonbe.be/index.php?module=unreal_tournament2004
[06:44] <carlos_> whats the video card bus identifier?
[06:44] <ut2004> the cdkey part
[06:44] <msm> hi there!
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Oh right miss one line >_<
[06:44] <msm> ther is someone that use Kmobiletools or gnokii???
[06:45] <sorush20> carlos_: don't touch that.. its auto detected.. everthing else after the intel deiver is autodetecte..
[06:45] <trappist> ut2004: so, echo "YOUR-CD-KEY" > ~/.System/cdkey
[06:45] <carlos_> ok
[06:45] <sorush20> carlos_: did you find an intel driver..
[06:45] <ut2004> it dont work
[06:45] <trappist> ut2004: define "dont work"
[06:45] <sparr> what trappist said
[06:46] <DaSkreech> trappist: I thought that was supposed to be in your .ut2004 Directory?
[06:46] <DaSkreech> !doesn't work
[06:46] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[06:46] <jel> trappist: it's not ~/.System ; it's a system subdir of whereever they install ut2k4server
[06:46] <sparr> trappist: ~/.ut2004/System/cdkey
[06:46] <carlos_> ah ait
[06:46] <carlos_> wait
[06:46] <trappist> DaSkreech: for the ut2004 client, yeah
[06:46] <sparr> jel: not installed.  ut2004 is a sensible game, with home dir configs
[06:46] <macvek> ut2004: so use nano to open ~/.ut2004/System/cdkey
[06:46] <trappist> sparr: not with the instructions he's using
[06:46] <macvek> and then just type it there
[06:47] <msm> there is someone who use KMobileTools or Gnokii please ???
[06:47] <carlos_> no there is no intek driver
[06:47] <ut2004> whats  nano
[06:47] <jel> sparr: this is for the server though, not the game.  The instructions there say to cd to the untar dir, and then refer to that as .
[06:47] <thomas> good evening
[06:47] <jel> ut2004: nano is a basic text editor
[06:47] <carlos_> but there are ixxx where x is a number
[06:48] <ut2004> i dont have nano
[06:48] <jel> ut2004: it's installed by default
[06:48] <ut2004> cant find it
[06:48] <jel> ut2004: but you might prefer kate (a lot)
[06:48] <ut2004> i do have that
[06:48] <jel> ut2004: nano isn't in the menus.  kate is.
[06:48] <macvek> kate, mcedit, nano , kwrite, cat
[06:48] <macvek> just choose one :
[06:49] <ut2004> ok im in kate
[06:49] <ut2004> what do i open
[06:49] <jel> type your CD key, in the format shown on that webpage, with dashes and numbers.  Then save in the system directory.
[06:49] <sorush20> carlos_: install sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 xserver-xorg-video-intel
[06:50] <ut2004> i have the file made
[06:50] <macvek> press ALT+F2 , type 'kate ~/.ut2004/System/cdkey'  then put cdkey there, saveit and exit
[06:50] <carlos_> kk
[06:50] <mRkus> Wie kann man such nomma als sudo anmelden?
[06:50] <msm> there is someone who use KMobileTools or Gnokii please ???
[06:50] <carlos_> i got i810 in the driver list
[06:51] <jel> ut2004: so go to the menu, and choose save.  It'll pop up a save dialog, and you can find the system directory.  Type the filename cdkey, and press the save button.  If you  got the directory right, and typed the key right, you'll be done.
[06:51] <dom> !de
[06:51] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:51] <thomas> I have install edgy (kde) but when I do the mouse over a mp3 file I can nothing hear. when I do it the mouse over a ogg file I can hear music
[06:51] <ut2004> the only system directory ican access is the one in the folder everything for the server is in
[06:52] <jel> ut2004: save it in there.
[06:52] <jel> does that dir have a capital S?
[06:52] <carlos_> sorush20: i have i810 in the driver list should i pick it?
[06:53] <sorush20> carlos_: yes..
[06:53] <ut2004> ok gonna load the server and see what happens
[06:54] <jel> ut2004: wait.. . did you do the next part, with the generator?
[06:54] <sorush20> did you manage to do that..
[06:54] <hazard2> anyone know if its possible to have kate use a tab character size half the default without having it make tab be spaces?
[06:55] <jel> hazard2: yes, it is.  It's in the prefs.
[06:55] <hazard2> where, I can't find it.
[06:55] <jel> hazard2: 4 is the officially better size ;)
[06:55] <jel> hazard: configure editor, I think, not configure kate
[06:55] <hazard2> ?!
[06:56] <jel> hazard2: no, sorry, that's kwrite :)
[06:56] <ut2004> anyone happen to have ut2004
[06:56] <jel> hazard2: it's in the "Editing" section, at the top.
[06:57] <trappist> ut2004: I do
[06:57] <hazard2> Ah, thanks.
[06:57] <jel> hazard2: np :)
[06:57] <hazard2> That's been driving me nuts.
[06:57] <trappist> ut2004: but I don't run a dedicated server.  that's different.
[06:57] <ut2004> i need someone to check if its up
[06:57] <jel> hazard2: yeah, no one should have 8-char tabs unless they have 40-column screens :)
[06:57] <trappist> ut2004: I can do that without having ut2004 installed
[06:58] <ut2004> ok
[06:58] <ut2004> how?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> !mp3 > thomas
[06:58] <luke__> ola
[06:59] <trappist> ut2004: it's not up
[06:59] <jel> hehhe... looks like every block on this hard drive is screwed :D
[06:59] <trappist> ut2004: the ports are not open at your ip address
[07:01] <trappist> hazard2: in the config window, under Editor -> Editing, adjust the "Tab width"
[07:01] <hazard2> I already found it trappist, thanks though.
[07:01] <ut2004> how do i tell my computer ip
[07:01] <trappist> ut2004: it looks like you're behind a router - a windows box?
[07:01] <jel> ut2004: do you have a router?
[07:02] <ut2004> no
[07:02] <trappist> ut2004: go to whatismyip.con
[07:02] <ut2004> 2 computers
[07:02] <trappist> *whatismyip.com
[07:02] <ut2004> i need the computer ip
[07:02] <trappist> ut2004: ifconfig
[07:02] <ut2004> networked with nic cards
[07:02] <jel> ut2004: one is sharing the internet connection of the other?
[07:02] <ut2004> yes
[07:02] <trappist> ut2004: a windows box is sharing the internet?
[07:02] <ut2004> yes
[07:03] <trappist> ut2004: no one can get to your linux box through the windows box, so no one can get to your ut server
[07:03] <jel> then you need the ip of the first machine, which is sharing the connection... that's the only machine that's REALLY on the internet
[07:03] <Lam_> is it just me or does the firefox icon need anti-aliasing
[07:04] <Lam_> how do i stop konqueror from asking whether or not i want to store a password?
[07:05] <ut2004> i can log in to the server from the windows box
[07:05] <ut2004> i know lan works
[07:05] <jel> Lam_: there is a config file which lists sides to ignore.  You might be able to put in * as the list.
[07:05] <trappist> ut2004: it won't work from the internet.
[07:05] <Lam_> jel: ok thanks. i'll give that a try
[07:05] <trappist> ut2004: for example, I wouldn't be able to connect.
[07:06] <ut2004> how bout if irun the connection the other way intenet>linux>windows
[07:06] <trappist> ut2004: if you know how to get windows to forward ports, that's what you need.
[07:06] <trappist> ut2004: that would work
[07:06] <Kiongku> !apache
[07:06] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[07:06] <trappist> ut2004: that would also be a better idea
[07:07] <ut2004> that requires hardware mods though
[07:07] <jel> ut2004: your best bet would be to setup the linux box as your internet gateway/firewall, instead of the windows machine.
[07:07] <jel> ut2004: although that would require some study.
[07:08] <ut2004> i just would have to add a nic card to this omp and  adjust some settings on both computers ...?
[07:08] <trappist> ut2004: yes
[07:09] <trappist> ut2004: it can be done with one nic, but... yeah get another nic
[07:09] <ut2004> i have no router
[07:09] <ut2004> just a switch
[07:09] <jel> ut2004: that's OK; the sharing machine will act as a NAT router
[07:09] <trappist> ut2004: your linux box will be the router when you're done - right now it's the windows box
[07:09] <ut2004> i know how t make the linux box work on the internet
[07:10] <ut2004> how do i shar the conn with the windows box
[07:11] <trappist> ut2004: once you've got the internet working, run this script as root: http://linuxkungfu.org/files/scripts/ics
[07:12] <jdawiz> I may have made a big uh-oh boo-boo ouch.   I was trying to remove avahi so I was removing anything in adept that had it.  And um it started to say removing kdm on the progress bar...
[07:12] <trappist> ut2004: then tell the windows box to use the linux box as a gateway (or set up dhcp)
[07:12] <Lam_> my emacs has horribly small font. what happened to it?
[07:12] <Lam_> it worked fine before
[07:12] <jdawiz> anyone had this happen before?
[07:13] <ut2004> ok i can just run the network set up wizzard as connecting through another comuter or gateway
[07:13] <ut2004> and it should pick up the internet
[07:14] <trappist> ut2004: if you run dhcpd on the linux box, yeah
[07:14] <ut2004> what file extension do i save the script as
[07:14] <Dr_willis> ut2004,  no need for an extension..
[07:14] <Dr_willis> ut2004,  call them, whatever ya want
[07:15] <ut2004> as a text file
[07:15] <trappist> ut2004: doesn't matter.  just say sudo sh filename
[07:15] <ut2004> ok
[07:15] <Dr_willis> or sudo bash filename :)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> or chmod +x filename && ./filename
[07:16] <trappist> or sudo dash filename!
[07:16] <ut2004> after i connect the internet to the linux box i do dhcpd instead of dhclient
[07:16] <trappist> ut2004: yea, you want it to be a dhcp server instead of a client (unless it needs to be a dhcp client to connect to your ISP)
[07:17] <ut2004> ok gonna make some hardware mods
[07:18] <klekkus> hi everyone. after (holy christ) 17 hours, ive finaly managed to get my atheros ar5005g card working and is online! But its still one thing, everytime I reboot i need to do sudo rmmod some modules and then sudo modprobe ath_pci. Is it some way to stop kubuntu modprobing the x devices at startup?
[07:18] <klekkus> what file can i remove the modules from?
[07:19] <trappist> klekkus: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:19] <trappist> klekkus: *add* the module there
[07:19] <klekkus> trappist: thnxz:)
[07:21] <klekkus> trappist: that file was basicly, i need the file that loads em' on startup
[07:22] <trappist> klekkus: if you want to prevent a module from loading, blacklist is what you want
[07:23] <klekkus> trappist: never mind i found the ansvare:P
[07:23] <trappist> klekkus: cool :)
[07:23] <Trist_an> hello
[07:23] <Trist_an> Where are the K menu shortcuts stored?
[07:24] <Dr_willis> there a /etc/modules file that loads modules.
[07:24] <Dr_willis> Trist_an,  they are generated from the various .desktop files
[07:24] <klekkus> trappist: but you still might help me if you want (A) if you take a look at the http://rik.no-ip.com/~rik/?q=node/10 and looks in the wireless section you see my prob. Im a total newb
[07:24] <Dr_willis>   for example ------>  /usr/share/applications/glines.desktop
[07:24] <Trist_an> Dr_willis, and where would be my desktop file? I mean there should be a file which rules K menu, no?
[07:25] <Trist_an> Ah, Dr_willis I know that it is a fle in my /home directory
[07:25] <Dr_willis> there is not a sngle desktop file.. theres a file for each menu item. :P NOT the /home/username/Desktop dir.
[07:25] <trappist> klekkus: what exactly do you need help with?  isn't it working? ;)
[07:25] <klekkus> it is
[07:25] <Dr_willis> You can customise the menus I guess. but not messed with that  much.