[00:32] <douglasawh-work> I won't be able to make it tonight
[00:32] <h00k> douglasawh-work: okay
[00:33] <douglasawh-work> but I'm installing ubuntu as we speak in concession
[00:35] <h00k> that makes up for it, then
[01:00] <lostson> would love to but just got home from work and have stuff to take care of here first hopefully i can catch up later
[01:01] <h00k> lostson: I know the feeling
[01:02] <h00k> exigraff, intok, jrolland-ubuntu, mikeputnam, nickmoeck, ripps, twopoint718, uberushaximus, anyone around?
[01:03] <twopoint718> I'm here
[01:04] <h00k> Oi!
[01:04] <h00k> We've got 2.
[01:04] <twopoint718> haha
[01:04] <twopoint718> You should reschedule it to last week
[01:04] <h00k> :D
[01:04] <h00k> we had more people
[01:05] <exigraff> okay, /me is here
[01:05] <exigraff> the party can begin
[01:05] <h00k> Three!
[01:06] <h00k> So, mostly I wanted to talk about Release Parties.
[01:06] <h00k> I am having one in Rhinelander, it sounds like Madison is going to have *something*, date to-be-determined
[01:06] <h00k> as is the one in Rhinelander
[01:07] <h00k> twopoint718: ...excuse me for being terrible...where you located again?
[01:07] <twopoint718> h00k: madison
[01:07] <h00k> Yes. That.
[01:08] <twopoint718> douglasawh-work and I will talk it over at Ubuntu hour on Saturday for sure
[01:08] <h00k> exigraff: anything you've heard about up there?
[01:08] <h00k> twopoint718: cool, yeah, we sorta talked about it on the madlug-sc list
[01:08] <twopoint718> Ah yes, I forget that you're on that. :)
[01:08] <h00k> ;) I'm that one out-of-place guy.
[01:09] <exigraff> nothing up here, though I'm not really connected to any die-hard 'buntu users here
[01:09] <h00k> ripps would probably be pumped to win another keyboard/mouse
[01:10] <h00k> but I don't havetime to plan one up there, too
[01:10] <h00k> cool. So, we may have 2. One for sure.
[01:10] <exigraff> I /will/ spend the night being slovenly drunk in #ubuntu-release-party, for whatever that's worth
[01:10] <h00k> that's more than before
[01:10] <twopoint718> Oh, that's right! We should have prizes.
[01:10] <h00k> Something else I thought of...is doing a member-of-the-month...
[01:10] <h00k> get a pic, and a short write-up
[01:11] <h00k> voted on during a *monthly* meeting!
[01:11] <h00k> and throw it on ubuntu-wisconsin.org
[01:13] <exigraff> I wanted to do member profiles, this could tie in with that
[01:13] <h00k> It could, that'd be cool.
[01:15] <h00k> So.  Cool, we had more people around for last-weeks canceled meeting, everyone was distracted with Madison stuffs,
[01:16] <h00k> aaaaaand now we have 3.
[01:17] <twopoint718> I thought we had three before
[01:17] <h00k> well, there were some drifters, one Ubuntu-WiGuest who emailed me later,
[01:17] <twopoint718> Ahh.
[01:18] <h00k> which was cool, and he was interested in attending the Release Party up here
[01:18]  * twopoint718 does a "/names"
[01:18] <twopoint718> So if you have a member of the month thing, how would that be selected?
[01:19] <h00k> by other people that attend the meeting :D
[01:19] <h00k> This was just a thought I had today, anyway. It's still pretty fresh.
[01:20] <h00k> nominations and voting, perhaps separated by a month, people could email their activities to the mailing list, and then voting could take place the next month
[01:22] <twopoint718> I see.
[01:24] <h00k> Just an idea, anyway.
[01:25] <h00k> People say they want to be involved...have release parties and fun things
[01:25] <h00k> buuuuuuuuuut then they don't show up :(
[01:26] <h00k> or like exigraff, who shows up, says a few words, and gets distracted (I only say this because he's a close personal friend, I'm not attacking him :) )
[01:26] <exigraff> HI GUYS
[01:26] <h00k> ^ this guy
[01:26] <exigraff> Convore.
[01:27] <h00k> https://convore.com/ ?
[01:27] <exigraff> yeah, that
[01:29] <exigraff> in the spirit of let's-add-one-more-medium-because-it-might-change-everything
[01:29] <h00k> hmm.
[01:29]  * h00k facepalms
[01:29] <h00k> Which reminds me, actually
[01:29] <h00k> I hate Facebook...it'd be super-cool if someone wanted to be facebook-announcer for stuff like meetings
[01:29] <h00k> I can do Identi.ca, twitter,
[01:30] <h00k> We have an existing group
[01:30] <exigraff> it might not be a bad idea to join forces with another loco, now that I think of it
[01:31] <h00k> We have worked with the Ubuntu MN LoCo in the past
[01:31] <h00k> exigraff: what do you mean, "join forces?"
[01:32] <exigraff> not indefinitely, but I think if we merge our meetings and enter into a larger group discussion, it may be less of a drag to make things happen in the small group that we have here
[01:32] <exigraff> if that makes sense
[01:32] <exigraff> borrow momentum
[01:32] <exigraff> Ubuntu Midwest
[01:34] <twopoint718> h00k: I hear you on the "yeah we want the group to do fun activities" but then nobody shows up.
[01:34] <twopoint718> What's with that?
[01:34] <h00k> I don't know, but I'm actually doing an interest survey right now that I'll send to the mailing list
[01:34] <twopoint718> Good.
[01:34] <h00k> Maybe I can gain some insight to it
[01:34] <h00k> People seem to *want* to do things...they just don't
[01:35] <h00k> and I'm not sure why, but if we can pick up on our strengths and use them
[01:35] <exigraff> the people who voluntarily step up and take point are few and far between
[01:35] <h00k> ^ this
[01:35] <exigraff> given our numbers (low) and dispersion (high), every initiative that our loco takes is going to require this kind of person
[01:36] <twopoint718> Their scheduler is all messed up, they have the priority of linux events set somewhere between ironing their jeans and cleaning the refrigerator
[01:36] <exigraff> which is why it might not hurt to join up with another loco, one that already has a track record of Doing Things on a regular basis
[01:36] <exigraff> if only to get into that mindset
[01:36] <exigraff> collectively
[01:36] <h00k> exigraff: good luck finding one in the Midwest that isn't Chicago ;)
[01:37] <exigraff> what's wrong with Chicago?
[01:37] <h00k> I know Ubuntu MN seems to be in a similar situation
[01:37] <h00k> exigraff: Nothing, but physical location.
[01:37] <twopoint718> Chicago's center of gravity would tend to draw things in that direction
[01:37] <h00k> yep.
[01:37] <exigraff> oh, pff. physicality is great, but I don't think there's any point in deluding ourselves here
[01:37] <h00k> Which is why we have this cool thing called the Internet, so that we can converse from geographically diverse locations!
[01:37] <h00k> like all around Wisconsin
[01:38] <h00k> if we can focus on what people *are* actually interested, spark some sort of motivation to help or participate,
[01:38]  * h00k opens a query with tonyyarusso
[01:38] <h00k> I'll get this survey out to Ubuntu MN, too
[01:38] <exigraff> even just choosing some other logo/lug/something meeting a month to join - "okay guys, this month we're meeting up with Loco $x to see what we can learn from each other"
[01:38] <h00k> and I'll publish these results, too.
[01:39] <exigraff> cool
[01:39] <h00k> exigraff: also, for that, there's a loco-contacts mailing list that I'm on
[01:39] <h00k> for that purpose
[01:39] <exigraff> sweet
[01:41] <h00k> so, we may have 2 release parties, that's what I got.
[01:42] <h00k> I don't even think asking any activities for the Global Jam is a good idea :(
[01:42] <h00k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[01:42] <h00k> er
[01:42] <h00k> The Ubuntu Global Jam is an incredible opportunity for the Ubuntu community to unite together around the weekend of 1st - 3rd April 2011 to work together to improve Ubuntu. Everyone is able to contribute to the Jam, and everyone is welcome and encouraged to get involved. Curious about how to make a real difference to Ubuntu? This is a great chance to make that difference.
[01:42] <h00k> there we goes
[01:45] <exigraff> if it hasn't been done, they should add questionanswering on askubuntu.com to the list of ways to participate
[01:45] <h00k> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved
[01:47] <exigraff> it's not mentioned anywhere there, from what I can se
[01:47] <exigraff> see
[01:47] <h00k> exigraff: question/answer, like Support?
[01:47] <h00k> exigraff: or, what do you mean?
[01:47] <twopoint718> yeah, I noticed ubuntu's new stackoverflow-ish Q&A site
[01:48] <h00k> And I don't know if that's "Official" or not, there was a huge mailing list thread about it
[01:48] <h00k> I'll be honest, because if it's size, I didn't follow closely :(
[01:48] <h00k> Launchpad has it's Answers section
[01:48] <exigraff> heh
[01:48] <exigraff> launchpad
[01:49] <exigraff> it'd still be a good move to encourage people to visit http://askubuntu.com/unanswered and help out where they can
[01:49] <exigraff> that's a very objective .. objective
[01:50] <h00k> Sure, of course it's good to help there, but there's a also places at Launchpad with unanswered questions as well
[01:51] <h00k> and the IRC channel #ubuntu is always looking for supporters
[01:51] <h00k> and the forums, and mailing lists,
[01:51] <exigraff> yep
We do have a pretty consistent Ubuntu Hour here in Madison</plug>
[01:56] <h00k> That's true!
[01:56] <h00k> sorry, I've been distracted with this form
[01:57] <h00k> twopoint718: approximately how many do you have attending/month?
[01:59] <twopoint718> It is usually around 3 or 4.
[01:59] <twopoint718> Of that 2 or 3 are hosting it (as in me, Doug, Eric, or Brad)
[02:01] <h00k> twopoint718: yeah...that's still cool, anyway
[02:06] <h00k> Cool, I think I'm about done with this
[02:06] <h00k> I'll send it to the mailing list
[02:21] <twopoint718> I'll look for it.
[02:22] <h00k> Cool.
[02:22] <h00k> aaaaaaaaand
[02:23] <h00k> sent.
[02:26] <h00k> twopoint718: thanks for coming, anyway
[02:28] <ripps> oh crap, I forgot about the meeting
[02:28] <h00k> ripps: :)
[02:28] <h00k> YOU'RE FIRED
[02:28] <h00k> just kidding, welcome
[02:28] <h00k> ripps: we didn't do much, just that I'm going to have a Release Party in Rhinelander, maybe one in Madison
[02:30] <dwhitfie> looks like I didn't miss everything...
[02:30] <h00k> And then I dediced to make an interest form to figure out why people say they want to do stuff but never show up :)
[02:30] <dwhitfie> sorry, my "main" computer is down...thanks natty
[02:30] <dwhitfie> hanging at collectd
[02:30] <h00k> dwhitfie: :/ :(
[02:33] <ripps> If there was one closer to superior....
[02:33] <ripps> I wanted to show off my new CR-48
[02:34] <h00k> ripps: YOU are the one that got one.
[02:34] <h00k> ripps: I was watching the list :(
[02:34] <h00k> ripps: jealous.
[02:35] <ripps> I've already set the thing to developer mode and have started compile programs on my desktop and running them on the cr48
[02:36] <h00k> of course you have
[02:36] <ripps> I've got mplayer2 running on, pretty nice.
[02:36] <ripps> Hopefully google will upgrade the intel drivers so that I can get vaapi
[02:44] <dwhitfie> I just realized what CR-48 is...sorta...with the GOOG comment
[03:00] <h00k> dwhitfie: it's that sweet google laptop
[03:00] <h00k> http://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program-cr48.html
[03:02] <nickmoeck> Sorry about not being here for the meeting
[03:03] <h00k> nickmoeck: no prob
[03:03] <nickmoeck> So, I'm expecting to have about 50mbps of extra bandwidth at any given time, possibly more, and I'd like to use that to help out Ubunty
[03:04] <nickmoeck> *Ubuntu
[03:05] <nickmoeck> I don't think that would be enough to run a mirror of the entire repo
[03:06] <nickmoeck> Hmm... maybe it would.  It appears some mirrors are running on 10mbps
[03:09] <h00k> I have on on 10gb
[03:10] <nickmoeck> unfortunately, the mirror won't be very helpful for us here in wisconsin, since the server will be located in Texas
[03:11] <h00k> nickmoeck: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[03:11] <nickmoeck> Yeah, I was just looking at that
[03:11] <h00k> I'm using Argonne National Laboratory
[03:47] <lostson> whew ok baby asleep time for dad to get to work on mimic what did i miss ?
[03:49] <h00k> lostson: not much :D
[03:49] <h00k> lostson: I threw out an interest survey to the mailing list, see what kinds of things people are actually interested in
[03:49] <lostson> yeah saw that come through on my droid
[03:49] <h00k> cool
[03:53] <lostson> i will have to go through it my hours got switched so i work til 8 then wife needs to get a nap before she goes to work so its kinda hard to sit down
[03:54] <h00k> lostson: no problem, I understand, no rush :)
[03:58] <lostson> just not enough hours in the day
[03:58] <h00k> I completely agree
[03:59] <lostson> brb
[04:03] <lostson> ok there back in mimic
[04:03] <h00k> :D
[04:05] <lostson> writing the code and everything is easy its writing the man pages and making good docs that kinda sux : )
[06:51] <ripps> h00k: about the survey... technically, I don't live in Wi
[06:55] <ripps> I'll just put twin-ports for now
[15:40] <antikoa> the meeting was last night wasnt it
[15:41] <dwhitfie> antikoa: yes
[15:41] <antikoa> Son of a cursecurse
[15:46] <dwhitfie> why is natty installing gfortran?
[15:46] <dwhitfie> what part of ubuntu is in fortran?
[15:47] <antikoa> just a compiler
[15:48] <dwhitfie> but why?
[15:52] <antikoa> i would assume it is a default thing like a c or c++...
[16:41] <douglasawh> machine 1 of 2 fixed.  The 2nd one now recognizes being plug in·  That's more than it was doing before
[16:48] <douglasawh> do I need to register a channel to be able to become an op? No one is an op in #musicmanumit and I can't figure out how to become an op
[17:00] <douglasawh> ok, looks like I do need to register the channel.  I don't understand why it was so hard to find that info though. I've looked a couple times
[17:00] <douglasawh> hmm, probably just not going to happen with #sportazine
[17:08] <h00k> ripps: that's okay :)
[17:08] <h00k> antikoa: yeah, it was, but you didn't miss much
[17:08] <h00k> antikoa: and then I decided to send out a survey
[17:36] <douglasawh> natty upgrade time
[17:44] <h00k> I'm doing a reinstall right now, actually, to test the installer
[18:11] <douglasawh> no problems with upgrade. yay!
[18:14] <h00k> awwright
[18:15] <h00k> douglasawh: ^
[18:18] <h00k> Greetings
[18:33] <douglasawh_> computer two of two fixed!  the power button on the other one is loose.  So, I guess it's not "fixed" but I figurd out it will turn on
[18:36] <douglasawh_> laptop mouse doesn't appear to work, so that's a bummer but it's gigantic so not a real great laptop anyway
[18:59] <douglasawh_> meh. tossing it. wireless doesn't seem to be working.  I'm not sure if it was Chakra or not, but Chakra worked on another machine...just not sure if it installs all the drivers like ubuntu does.  Too many other things to do.
[19:29] <h00k> douglasawh_: what wireless card?
[19:29] <h00k> douglasawh_: and is wireless encrypted?


[12:28] <sebjan> Hi, while testing the Natty Alpha2 image on panda, I need to run a 'sudo dhclient -4 usb0' to get an IPv4 allocated (else, I seem to have an IPv6 only). Is this expected / known behavior?
[12:41] <ogra> not expected and i dont see it on my panda
[12:41] <ogra> NM just does what it's supposed to
[12:54] <sebjan> ogra: I don't see the nm-applet in the bar, and ifconfig does not provide a IPv4. after the above trick, I can get a network connection through usb0, but still do not see the nm-applet (I'd like to configure my wlan connection with in in fact)
[13:05] <rsalveti> sebjan: check if you have nm-applet running, if so then check if the network manager daemon is running
[13:06] <rsalveti> otherwise it's not going to show itself at the bar
[13:06] <sebjan> rsalveti: nm-applet is running actually, but not hint on network-manager (it shall be called like this?)
[13:07] <rsalveti> sebjan: NetworkManager
[13:09] <sebjan> rsalveti: ok, not running either
[13:09] <sebjan> I suspect that it fails to run properly since I activated the wlan: I need to make some tricks to be able to use the wlan, and this may upset network manager...
[13:09] <rsalveti> sebjan: try service network-manager start
[13:10] <rsalveti> could be
[13:10] <rsalveti> sebjan: run NetworkManager --no-daemon --log-level=DEBUG
[13:10] <rsalveti> then you can check why it's failing
[13:11] <sebjan> rsalveti: ok, thanks, I'll do that
[13:24] <ogra> sebjan, and make soure you didnt touch /etc/network/interfaces ;)
[13:24] <ogra> else NM will ignore your interface
[13:35] <sebjan> damn, network manager segfaults...
[13:38] <rsalveti> sebjan: are you using maverick?
[13:38] <sebjan> rsalveti: no, Natty alpha2
[13:41] <rsalveti> sebjan: hm, if you didn't update than this maybe fixed already with latest upload
[13:41] <rsalveti> sebjan: we had some issues and instabilities with NM during the alpha2 time
[13:42] <sebjan> right, I will make an upgrade: I just see that during gdm start, network manager is started/dies/re-started/dies/...
[17:38] <slangasek> rsalveti: hi there!  we're looking at the question of building qt4-x11 with gles2 enabled on armel instead of opengl; if we did this in the official package in natty, do you know if that would cause regressions?
[17:39] <slangasek> i.e.: I don't think there are any accelerated full-opengl drivers available in Ubuntu, but I know we have gles2 for panda, so it's a win there... but what about unaccelerated systems?
[17:39] <rsalveti> slangasek: would affect some kde packages, and some others from universe
[17:39] <slangasek> affect them adversely?
[17:40] <slangasek> is that because it would introduce ABI changes, or for other reasons?
[17:40] <rsalveti> bug 707794
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 707794 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-opengl on armel should be compiled with OpenGL ES 2.x support" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707794
[17:40] <rsalveti> slangasek: the main problems is a conflict that happens when you have an application that needs GL and uses libqt4-opengl
[17:40] <rsalveti> once we build qt with the gles backend, the symbols will conflict
[17:41] <slangasek> symbol collision> oh, interesting
[17:41] <rsalveti> because Qt lets the user to use GL directly, together with Qt
[17:41] <slangasek> yes
[17:42] <slangasek> so those libraries should really have symbol versions applied, but I guess that may technically be a violation of the standard ABI
[17:42] <slangasek> thanks for the bug reference.  Do you know of any issues besides what's mentioned in that bug?
[17:43] <slangasek> worst case, we will probably provide a gles2 build in our ppa for this cycle
[17:43] <slangasek> but I would like to dig deeper to see if we can resolve the symbol problem for the short term, without compromising future development work on the proxy library
[17:44] <rsalveti> slangasek: for the moment I believe having it on a ppa should be enough
[17:44] <rsalveti> the problem of sharing many symbols
[17:45] <rsalveti> and also, if you link with libqt4-opengl it'll bring EGL and GLES2
[17:45] <rsalveti> headers collision and more
[17:48]  * ogra would really like to see the core libs to be GLES on arm ... ignoring the few packages that will break until they are fixed properly
[17:48] <slangasek> it's "enough", but ppas are only 2GB and if we put qt4 in our linaro overlay ppa, that's a good chunk gone :)
[17:49] <ogra> imho its a failure of the apps to be programmed in a broken way
[17:50] <rsalveti> well, Qt gives you the liberty to use GL together with Qt
[17:50] <rsalveti> and also support different backends
[17:50] <ogra> how about having a libqt4-gles ?
[17:50] <rsalveti> so it's not something like clutter, that you only use the clutter API
[17:51] <ogra> (arm only indeed)
[17:51] <rsalveti> ogra: and in what that will help us?
[17:51] <rsalveti> then we would need to change all the packages we want to link with the new libqt4-gles package
[17:52] <ogra> yes, it would need some buildd sided magic i guess
[17:52] <rsalveti> and probably need some work in qt to generate both libs without many issues
[17:52] <rsalveti> without having 2 different qts in the archive
[17:52] <ogra> yes
[17:53] <slangasek> no, building libqt4-gles is not a good solution
[17:53] <ogra> its surely a lot of work (and surely nothing for natty)
[17:53] <rsalveti> that's why having it on a ppa would be easier for the moment
[17:53] <rsalveti> while we don't have the proxy lib and the gles support for glew
[17:53] <slangasek> I'm going to have a look at symbol versioning on the gles2 side
[17:53] <ogra> i would still prefer to rather ignore the handfull of apps
[17:54] <slangasek> as a fallback, we might disable the opengl-needing packages in discussion with the Kubuntu team
[17:54] <rsalveti> yup
[17:54] <ogra> ++
[17:55] <rsalveti> software rendering with opengl on arm is basically having nothing
[17:55] <rsalveti> very very slow
[17:55] <rsalveti> so, no use
[17:55]  * slangasek nods
[17:55]  * ogra disagrees :)
[17:55] <ogra> you should see composite on framebuffer here on the ac100
[17:56] <ogra> no noticeable difference to non-composite metacity
[17:56]  * hrw confirms
[17:56] <rsalveti> hm, cool, good to know :-)
[17:56] <ogra> seems to depend on the HW :)
[17:57] <hrw> ogra: how fast is membus on ac100?
[17:57] <ogra> 400MHz ?
[17:57] <ogra> not sure
[17:57] <hrw> ok
[18:42] <GrueMaster> So, the image doesn't have initrd.img in /boot on the second partition.  Why?
[19:12] <vinay__> Hello, I am trying to get cross-compiling environment (including autotools) for Arm on Ubuntu 10.04. What is the best way to proceed?
[19:43] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: probably something is broken at the update-initramfs part
[19:43] <rsalveti> or the hook while installing the kernel
[19:55] <GrueMaster> The uImage is on the boot partition, and there is a link in /boot, but no actual file.
[20:05] <rsalveti> so it could be a problem at the update-initramfs
[20:05] <rsalveti> try mounting and installing with qemu
[20:06] <rsalveti> to see if the the update-initramfs is called at the postinst
[20:51] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: It is something with the image generation.  uImage wouldn't exist if update-initramfs failed.
[20:52] <GrueMaster> And it works fine on an installed image.


[12:37] <shadeslayer> stgraber: btw can you set multiple jobs for sbuild?
[12:38] <shadeslayer> ( and for the stuff you wrote )
[12:45] <cjwatson> It has a -j option if that's what you mean
[12:45] <cjwatson> Right there in its man page
[13:53] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: thx
[19:56] <Noskcaj> I the opinion of you guys, have i done enough (quality) work to apply for MOTU?
[19:58] <tumbleweed> Noskcaj: we generally want to see 6 months of sustained contribution
[19:58] <Noskcaj> ok, so not quite
[19:59] <tumbleweed> but almost - it does look like you've done quite a lot
[19:59] <tumbleweed> so start preparing an application, and ask your sponsors for endosement
[19:59] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks for the help
[20:00] <tumbleweed> Noskcaj: just looking at your uploads, what's up with qtiplot?
[20:00]  * Noskcaj checks
[20:01] <tumbleweed> it never built successfully
[20:04] <Logan_> It looks like infinity copied that over from Debian, no?
[20:05] <tumbleweed> Logan_: no, you did, sponsoring Noskcaj
[20:05] <Logan_> Oh my b.
[20:05] <Logan_> I knew it sounded familiar.
[20:05] <tumbleweed> :)
[20:07] <Logan_> http://bugs.debian.org/728642 <-- The FTBFS is reported in Debian. Hopefully they'll fix it soon.
[20:07] <tumbleweed> did neither of you test build it? :)
[20:08]  * tumbleweed sees a few other merges of Noskcaj's that failed to build (but were trivially fixed)
[20:08] <Noskcaj> For quite some time, i went off debian changelog only for syncs especially
[20:08] <Logan_> I trusted Noskcaj, although he said in the bug that he only tested it on a Debian chroot.
[20:08] <Logan_> I've been more careful with checking syncs locally. :P
[20:09] <tumbleweed> it's generally a good idea to test (if you have the bandwith)
[20:09] <Noskcaj> My internet is very, very bad. I've only just got the buildlog for qtiplot open
[20:09] <tumbleweed> esp because you won't get email notification for syncs that fail to build
[20:09] <Logan_> I honestly have no excuse with 80 down. So yeah, I take the blame.
[20:10] <Logan_> But it should be fixed soon in Debian, hopefully.
[20:10] <tumbleweed> yup. all's well that ends well
[20:10] <Logan_> Especially since the FTBFS is now affecting sid as well.
[20:31] <Logan_> Can anyone help me figure out why wmaker isn't going from proposed to release?
[20:31] <Logan_> I rebuilt wdm, but that doesn't appear to be enough...
[20:32] <Logan_> Oh nvm, I see.
[20:33] <tumbleweed> Logan_: fookb?
[20:33] <Logan_> Yep.
[20:33] <Logan_> Thanks. :P
[20:33] <Logan_> Weird how arm64 is the only one though.
[20:34] <tumbleweed> arm64 is new, so it has more recent builds of many packages than other archs
[20:34] <tumbleweed> which means they could have built against different libraries
[20:34] <Logan_> ...true. Gotcha.
[20:37] <tumbleweed> still, I don't know what the problem is, here
[20:38] <Logan_> Wassup?
[21:00] <ScottK> Also the current arm64 builders are unreliable.  Often just retrying a package solves a build failure.
[21:17] <Unit193> Just a note, pepperflashplugin-nonfree won't work as designed if you sync it, but a patch such as http://paste.openstack.org/show/aeiBkrJYNAvZws9mDL39/ may help.
[21:26] <tumbleweed> Logan_: I mean, I looked in an arm64 chroot, and it seemed perfectly installable
[21:27] <Logan_> Yes, but building on arm64 brought in the wutil dependency. As did rebuilding on all archs. Needed to rebuild to finish the transition.
[21:29] <tumbleweed> I don't see what the problem was, though