[06:00] <guiverc> I think the irclogs bot may need a kick in #ubuntu (I don't see log at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/07/25/  or for 26
[06:00] <guiverc> user on channel noticed it ^


[18:10] <Littlemountain> !help
[18:10] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[18:36] <fta> chrisccoulson, hi, yt?
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> fta -- sort of. i'm about to leave the hotel shortly for the airport
[18:37] <fta> chrisccoulson, just wanted to let you know that couch is broken for me on natty, apparently because of xul2
[18:37] <fta> been playing with quickly, it doesn't even start
[18:37] <chrisccoulson> fta = yeah, i noticed that too. i'm guessing it's just an ABI break that makes couchjs crash
 /usr/lib/couchdb/bin/couchjs: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/couchdb/bin/couchjs: undefined symbol:
[18:38] <fta> fta@ix:~$ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/xulrunner-2.0b9
[18:38] <fta> fta@ix:~$ ldd /usr/lib/couchdb/bin/couchjs | grep js
[18:38] <fta>         libmozjs.so => /usr/lib/xulrunner-2.0b9/libmozjs.so (0x007bb000)
[18:38] <fta> fta@ix:~$ objdump -T  /usr/lib/couchdb/bin/couchjs | grep JS_GetStringChars
[18:38] <fta> 00000000      DF *UND*  00000000              JS_GetStringChars
[18:39] <fta> chrisccoulson, ^^
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, that went away
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> i'll need to fix that when i get back home though, couchdb needs porting to the new API, again :(
[18:42] <fta> chrisccoulson, probably, so couch needs some work, either a rebuild or a port
[18:42] <fta> yeah
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> fta - could you report a bug and assign to me please?
[18:43] <fta> chrisccoulson, ok, will do
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> right, i need to disappear now
[18:43] <fta> chrisccoulson, enjoy your trip back home :)
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[20:52] <Dimmuxx> any eta on beta 9 in firefox-next?
[23:15] <magcius> oh great where did micahg go
[23:15] <magcius> NewFinalizableGCThing<JSObject> (cx=0x13890f0, clasp=<value optimized out>) at /build/buildd/xulrunner-2.0-2.0~b10~hg20110115r60640+nobinonly/build-tree/mozilla/js/src/jsgcinlines.h:122
[23:15] <magcius> I can't run gjs because of this noise...
[23:16] <magcius> Can anybody run gjs with this?


[00:23] <Scary_Guy> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-is-testing-ads-in-the-windows-11-file-explorer/
[00:26] <cmaloney> That's reprehensible
[00:30] <Scary_Guy> But honestly not unexpected either.
[01:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, the start menu really tee'd that one u
[01:59] <cmaloney> up
[02:36] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7vhMMXagQ
[11:23] <cmaloney> morning, party peopke
[11:27] <Scary_Guy> Morning
[12:09] <jrwren> i'd not mind it if windows cost $0, but it is so expensive already, to add ads is just disgusting.
[14:59] <greg-g> it's pretty flagrant, yeah.
[15:16] <cmaloney> I mean, I can kinda understand "advertising" for other MS services and products
[15:17] <cmaloney> but flat-out advertising where you're tracking clicks and eyeballs?   I disable all of it when I can
[15:47] <greg-g> oh, good question, can you disable this crap? will a pihole help? (not that I think that'd sufficient for me to be OK with it :) )
[15:50] <greg-g> luckily there's only one win11 machine in my house :)
[16:50] <cmaloney> Unsure, but I have a feeling it's more "helpful tips" than "ads"
[16:50] <cmaloney> so it'll be more difficult to shitcan
[16:57] <cmaloney> I mean, there's a fine line between "Here's something that might make your workflow more useful" and "you look stressed. How's about playing Minecraft or one of these other Activision titles we just bought for way too much money. How about that River Raid, amirite?"
[18:03] <Scary_Guy> Windows isn't expensive at all, IDK what you guys are talking abo...  Oh, you mean legal copies :P


[01:53] <callmepk> good morning
[03:16] <duflu> Hi callmepk
[06:53] <jpnurmi> good morning, and hi callmepk duflu
[06:53] <duflu> Hi jpnurmi
[07:46] <didrocks> good morning
[08:05] <laney> moin
[08:08] <duflu> Hi didrocks and laney
[08:09] <duflu> Happy Olympics
[08:09] <duflu> Hopefully
[08:16] <callmepk> hi duflu jpnurmi didrocks laney
[10:25] <bittin> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2021-July/msg00003.html
[10:28] <bluesabre> Who would be the best contact person to have either myself or ~xubuntu-art added to the https://launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow team?
[10:31] <juliank> bluesabre: the team only has one owner, that Dylan McCall guy
[10:31] <juliank> s/owner/administrator/
[10:32] <juliank> that kind of doesn't seem optimal
[10:34] <bluesabre> Yeah, it's pretty limiting because I think he's mostly inactive, so new teams and members can't contribute to the slideshows since membership doesn't get approved
[10:34] <bluesabre> *directly
[10:34] <bluesabre> We thankfully have one member on the team, but he too is mostly inactive :\
[10:38] <laney> Can you try emailing Dylan to ask for the ownership to be transferred?
[10:39] <laney> ~ubuntu-installer would be OK I guess
[10:39] <laney> bittin: well done 👏
[10:39] <bittin> laney, thx :)
[10:40] <bluesabre> laney: sure thing
[11:19] <bittin> There will be an Ubuntu Q&A at GUADEC in around 3,5 hours
[11:50] <bittin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjmL5YbcPEQ
[13:02] <bittin> Canonical Office Hours & Q&A at GUADEC Online 2021 now
[13:08] <seb128> bittin, that's contradicting the in 3.5 hours statement you did earlier?
[13:08] <bittin> seb128, there has been some hours since then
[13:10] <seb128> bittin, it was 2 hours ago so there is a mismatch...
[13:11]  * bittin blames helping out at GUADEC since late tonight and can barely count time
[13:28] <KGB-1> gnome-shell Daniel van Vugt 248655 * commented merge request !51 * https://deb.li/3OtcA
[13:30] <seb128> duflu is still are work on a friday evening?
[14:05] <bittin> 3vin0 and hellsworth is it at
[14:05] <bittin> at it*
[14:07] <seb128> bittin, is there a public url?
[14:07] <bittin> seb128, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjmL5YbcPEQ
[14:08] <seb128> thx
[15:01] <bittin> i am outta here: https://i.imgur.com/tRaJzzI.png
[15:07] <laney> O_O
[15:47] <seb128> :-(
[15:47] <seb128> do we know what was the conflicting the comment is refering to?


[04:20] <teward> admins: looks like https://launchpad.net/~safsdfa looks like it might be a  *might* be some type of spam account/team based on its display name of a spam group on Facebook
[04:21] <teward> and it looks like the owner user is not visible/dead
[18:50] <cjwatson> teward: Removed, thanks.  (Please use the support link in the topic in future though - that way it goes into a proper queue rather than being potentially lost in IRC scrollback)
[19:35] <teward> cjwatson: ack.  was on my way out to sleep last night so thank you.


[00:49] <rick_h__> doh
[00:57] <cmaloney> Hope you had backups handy
[00:57] <rick_h__> meh, power off shouldn't cause you to run for the backups
[00:57] <cmaloney> Well, by backups I mean saved your work.
[01:32] <jrwren> another reason I like laptops over desktop. the battery is a built in UPS :p
[02:17] <cmaloney> evening
[02:18] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, and you don't have to worry about upgrade options. :)
[02:21] <jrwren> hahaha. TRUE!
[03:39] <rick_h__> but but but
[04:29] <greg-g> yeah, laptop work was fine, and the synology nas was ok after the drop of power. considering getting a UPS for the nas now
[04:29] <rick_h__> yea, I run the desktop, router, and nas on the UPS
[04:29] <rick_h__> hopefully if power goes out I've got time to shut down the desktop/nas and run the router for a while until things come back
[04:30] <greg-g> yeah, the router/modem/nas shouldn't be too much draw
[14:48] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:49] <brousch> Tired morning
[14:50] <cmaloney> Sorry to hear that
[15:06] <widox> last work day of the year for me, woo!
[15:06] <widox> and, its a half day
[15:43] <jrwren_> congrats.
[15:43] <jrwren_> got any coding projects lined up for the break?
[19:14] <greg-g> ugh, I think carrie/rowan got me sick
[19:14] <greg-g> yay xmas
[19:17] <cmaloney> greg-g: woo woo
[19:24] <brousch7> It's not xmas without puke and red/green snot wads
[19:25] <greg-g> yuck
[19:51] <greg-g> hah, got a bill from the trash people from the old place for... $0.00.


[01:47] <jetsaredim> is there a way to get a package updated in the 12.10 repos?
[02:14] <phunyguy> lol that was fun... do-release-upgrade over ssh... it wasn't happy.  Ended up with a machine that was 20% quantal, and 80% precise.
[02:40] <pmatulis_> i always do d-r-u over ssh
[02:56] <kindofabuzz> just did an upgrade on Kubuntu 12.10, now I only get wallpaper with the mouse cursor.
[07:56] <ferni> hmmh.. what happened to battery icon..
[11:24] <vega-> hmm, cups not working after upgrade
[11:24] <vega-> "client-server error"
[11:42] <Frankko> Hi i did an upgrade from precise to quantal just now, and i get segmentation faul when starting X
[11:42] <Frankko> I have a working framebuffer as i can use links2 -g and several other fb apps.
[11:44] <Frankko> can i solve this somehow?
[11:46] <Frankko> It is awfully quiet in all ubuntu related channels nowdays
[11:47] <vega-> web forums dominate these days..
[11:47] <Frankko> Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
[11:48] <JEEB> try to get as much info on the segfault and your system, and then check out the issue tracker for quantal and if there are no similar issues posted, post your own :)
[11:49] <Frankko> JEEB: I am stuck in cli though..
[11:49] <JEEB> :/
[11:49] <Frankko> and the webforums is a rather big task to browse with links2 ....
[11:49] <vega-> isn't there something like "reportbug" command or something
[11:49] <vega-> or was it debian
[11:50] <JEEB> I couldn't get to X on my new box either on saturday, because the kernel's nouveau was borked for kepler GPUs
[11:50] <Frankko> i got report-hw =P
[11:50] <Frankko> i use radeon driver.
[11:50] <Frankko> before the upgrade i used fglrx and i got the same error as now so i purged it.
[11:51] <Frankko> i did a dpkg-reconfigure -a too
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <TJ-> See "apport-bug"
[12:23] <Frankko> Well i am stuck in cli.. I will have to go to work. Laterz-
[13:46] <rye> Hi, is alt+printscreen supposed to work in quantal?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> rye just try prtScn by itself , if you're trying to take shot
[14:01] <BluesKaj> a  screenshot that is
[14:05] <rye> BluesKaj: right, but the Alt+PrintScreen which is supposed to be taking a single window screenshot does not work, and re-configuring in keyboard shortcuts lead to Mod2+Alt notation. Which also does not work. The thing I can't pinpoint the date when it stopped working
[14:05] <rye> the thing is
[14:07] <BluesKaj> rye , ok what is alt+printscreen supposed to do?  Just printscreen is all you need for a single screen shot
[14:11] <rye> BluesKaj: Alt+Printscreen is a default key binding for "Single window screenshot", when not the whole desktop is captured but only the foreground window.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> rye, ok understood , it doesn't work here either (KDE)
[14:15] <rye> hmmm
[14:16] <jbicha> it's bug 1050416 , Alt+PrintScreen works in GNOME Shell
[14:19] <rye> jbicha: thanks, added the info about Mod2+Alt being mapped
[14:21] <rye> and accoding to xev Alt+PrintScreen does not produce anything
[17:39] <lanoxx> hi, which package contains the ambiance theme
[17:39] <lanoxx> or against which package do i have to file a bug regarding ambiance?
[17:39] <trism> lanoxx: light-themes
[17:39] <lanoxx> hi trism
[17:39] <lanoxx> thanks
[17:40] <trism> lanoxx: hello
[17:40] <trism> lanoxx: no prob
[17:41] <lanoxx> is radiance also in that pakcage
[17:43] <lanoxx> ah nvm, it is
[18:36] <aLeSD> hi there : do you know if unity has a python interface ?
[18:38] <trism> aLeSD: unity does have a gobject introspection interface, so can be used from python
[18:38] <aLeSD> trism, nice
[18:39] <aLeSD> I'd like to create an app that will show the log message on the background
[18:39] <aLeSD> it's an unity stuff or X ?
[18:39] <aLeSD> or compiz
[18:39] <aLeSD> ?
[18:40] <trism> aLeSD: just the tail of a log on the background? you can actually do that with a transparent terminal (and maybe a bit of compiz to stick it to the background and position it)
[18:41] <trism> aLeSD: and to remove the decoration from the terminal
[18:45] <aLeSD> trism, it's my first python app
[18:46] <aLeSD> trism, is there a applet manager for unity around ?
[18:48] <trism> aLeSD: not sure what that would be, most extensions to unity would be either indicators (stuff in the top right of the panel) or lens (stuff in the dash), plus there is some stuff to interact with the launcher https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Python_Example
[18:49] <aLeSD> ok ... next I want to find out a way to remove the panel
[18:50] <aLeSD> I mean a different concept of panel .. I'd like to have all the space in the desktop
[18:50] <bjsnider> that's what gnome-shell gives you
[18:50] <bjsnider> you don't see the launchers unless you hit the super key
[18:51] <aLeSD> I want the panel on the top desapear
[18:51] <bjsnider> oh, i see
[18:53] <aLeSD> mmm ..maybe I'd like the panel to appear when super is pressed
[18:54] <aLeSD> ok .. however thanks
[19:02] <Hejbop> Howdy
[19:04] <BluesKaj> hej Hejbop :)
[19:05] <BluesKaj> I couldn't resist
[19:07] <Hejbop> BluesKaj: nice to see you
[19:08] <BluesKaj> thanks Hejbop , nice to see you as well
[19:14] <Hejbop> BluesKaj: you were very helpful last time, perhaps you could help me this time too. I upgraded thinking "it is soon october, i guess it is safe to upgrade now" Oh how wrong i was. When using fglrx i get "FATAL: Module fglrx_updates not found." and if i use the free radeon driver i get framebuffer in cli but xorg segfaults
[19:18] <Hejbop> anything i should do to correct this?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> uhoh , Hejbop , i just found out that radeo/ati/fglrx drivers have limitrd support on 12.10 at the moment.
[19:22] <BluesKaj> this problem is being worked on , but the FGLRX driver won't work right now afaik , thge default radeon driver should though
[19:23] <BluesKaj> Hejbop,^
[19:24] <Hejbop> my net died
[19:25] <Hejbop> BluesKaj: So i can not use X at all at the moment? I have a working fbdev as i can use mplayer and links2 -g
[19:25] <Hejbop> BluesKaj: Can i downgrade somehow or do i have to reinstall?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Hejbop, if you remove the fglrx driver you probly need to regenerate your xorg.conf file
[19:26] <Hejbop> BluesKaj: i know that, but i get segfault when starting X with free radeon driver.
[19:26] <BluesKaj> ok , then it looks as if you have to use the vesa driver if it's available
[19:28] <Hejbop> VESA +Xorg =pain then i would prefer to stay here in my comfortable cli
[19:29] <BluesKaj> hej , if yo default to the vesa , you probly don't need to fool with xorg
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Hejbop,^
[19:29] <Hejbop> the only thing that does not work very well in cli is skype... all other works.
[19:30] <Hejbop> btw how can i check waht driver i am using right now?
[19:31] <BluesKaj> Hejbop, sudo lshw -C video| grep driver
[19:31] <Hejbop> i have a rather odd card in my computer, actually it is two. one 6480 and a 6750 hybrid. And it was not supported at all in pre 3.2.10 kernels.
[19:31] <Hejbop> thank you
[19:32] <Hejbop> PCI (sysfs)
[19:32] <Hejbop> is all the info i get
[19:34] <BluesKaj> glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[19:36] <Hejbop> do i do not need X for that?
[19:36] <Hejbop> Error: unable to open display
[19:38] <BluesKaj> oh yeah , ok , forgot'
[19:39] <BluesKaj> well, if X isn't running then how do we know what proc driver is in use
[19:43] <hejbop> hi again
[19:43] <hejbop> i kept dropping my network connection in linux for some reason
[19:43] <hejbop> now i am using the only windows computer in the building
[19:44] <hejbop> dilapitated slow piece of crap with windows 7.. even lags to type.
[19:44] <BluesKaj> must be an old XP machine
[19:45] <BluesKaj> ppl put 7 on them thinking they'll run better , the opposite happens
[19:45] <hejbop> no it is an old windows 2k
[19:45] <hejbop> machine
[19:46] <hejbop> dual 450mhz p2 with 512 mb ram
[19:46] <BluesKaj> 2k was a pretty good OS
[19:47] <hejbop> i talked to the admin and he claims i can not use any of the blades to irc.
[19:48] <BluesKaj> yeah , the same thing where I used to work , before I retired
[19:52] <BluesKaj> we used a backdoor thru one of the old dialups that were still in use in our lab , and weren't part of the admin'd network
[19:56] <BluesKaj> dunno if there was such a thing as blade system then though , we just knew irc was blocked on the main company networks
[19:57] <BluesKaj> hejbop,^
[20:08] <hejbop> coll
[20:08] <hejbop> l*o
[20:08] <hejbop> But what are my options if i want X?
[20:08] <hejbop> reinstall?
[20:09] <hejbop> and if so, how do i get a list of all apps i have installed at the moment.
[20:09] <hejbop> because it takes ages to reinstall all my ncurses apps.
[20:09] <hejbop> as well as my grahical apps
[20:09] <hejbop> i do not remember them all in my head, thus taking a lot of time
[20:09] <guntbert_> !clone | hejbop
[20:10] <guntbert_> aptitude *is* problematic though
[20:10] <hejbop> apt-get is fine as well
[20:11] <hejbop> i would replicate all my non X programs though. Is there a command for that?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> !vesa
[20:11] <guntbert_> hejbop: sure but I doubt it has the same switches as aptitude
[20:12] <hejbop> i give up, i will do a clean install.
[20:13] <hejbop> sad day for humanity
[20:13] <hejbop> new topic
[20:15] <hejbop> BluesKaj: I have always used no swap partition at all. as my memory always faaar exceeds any usage of mine. Would i gain any performance benefits now that i have an SSD by having a swap partition.
[20:16] <hejbop> or would it just tear more at my spanking new ssd
[20:16] <SwedeMike> unlikely.
[20:17] <SwedeMike> I do the same, seldom use swap.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> no swap onb this install , due to 2 OSs with / and /home on both
[20:19] <BluesKaj> on one HDD
[20:22] <BluesKaj> I guess i could use extended/logical instead of primary and setup a swap , but i see no probs yet , and only 3G Ram
[20:23] <tsimpson> you should still have swap, swap is a good thing, not a bad thing
[20:24] <tsimpson> for instance, the kernel can determine what page maps need to stay in active memory (for frequent use) and which can be shoved off to the HDD so the real RAM is more available
[20:24] <BluesKaj> tsimpson , swaps are fine , but I have no way to add one without losing my install
[20:24] <tsimpson> I say "can", I mean "this is what the kernel does"
[20:24] <TJ-> BluesKaj: You can put swap in LVM, if you don't want to use it for hibernation
[20:25] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: use a swap file :)
[20:26] <BluesKaj> yeah , tsimpson , but don't swap files slow things down ?
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> I ujse swapspace
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> use*
[20:26] <TJ-> BluesKaj: swap will only be used when there's memory pressure
[20:26] <hejbop> swap in linux is not used unless memory runs out
[20:26] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: not really, it's no different from a partition
[20:26] <hejbop> that is what i am told
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> set the swappiness higher if needed as well
[20:27] <tsimpson> not "runs out", just "becomes under high demand"
[20:27] <tsimpson> and it will swap out things it no longer needs, but has to keep around
[20:28] <tsimpson> it's quite smart about it, that's why people recommend ~1.5x your RAM for partitions. the ~1x for when you want to hibernate, and the 0.5x for extra swap space
[20:29] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, does the swap file act similar to the partitiion with page maps etc as you described above ?
[20:32] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: I mean the kernel uses a file and a partition exactly the same way, the filesystem isn't involved other than initially opening the file
[20:33] <tsimpson> you create the file at a fixed size first
[20:33] <jtaylor> 1.5 RAM is kind of a waste for normal machines
[20:33] <tsimpson> so the kernel just maps it directly into memory
[20:33] <tsimpson> well, a memory address, not actual memory
[20:34] <jtaylor> unless you hibernate with 100% ram usage often you seldom are going to use more than a few hundred mb swap that is not a cache
[20:34] <tsimpson> with a large size of ram, it does become wasteful, but it's just a rule-of-thumb
[20:35] <jtaylor> a partition has the advantage that is contiginous on the disk which a file might no be
[20:36] <jtaylor> but in practice that has no effect
[20:36] <jtaylor> if you start swapping your desktop is dead anyway
[20:36] <jtaylor> who cares if you have 5mb/s more throughput
[20:40] <tsimpson> swapping is not such a bad thing, a little swapping is actually a big performance boost
[20:41] <jtaylor> yes what I mean with swapping is you are using 100% real ram and the system must resort to swap to not crash
[20:41] <hejbop> i never, ever, ever. want to hibernate, suspend or any of the sorts.
[20:42] <jtaylor> suspend needs no swap
[20:42] <hejbop> good point
[20:42] <wilee-nilee> Using swapspace I rarely need a swap except for vbox I don't hibernate, this app makes a smooth use of swap http://pqxx.org/development/swapspace/.
[20:42] <jtaylor> you can do without swap and probably never notice
[20:42] <jtaylor> but a couple 100mb are recommended
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> sized to your content and then removed
[20:43] <hejbop> a big problem for me is my awesomewm config. How can i upload it somewhere where i do not need a full javascript browser`?
[20:43] <tsimpson> you're just giving your system another tool to use for efficiency
[20:45] <tsimpson> hejbop: ubuntu one
[20:45] <tsimpson> you should be able to get a direct HTTP link to the file with it
[20:45] <hejbop> how do i use that from cli?
[20:48] <tsimpson> I have no idea, but you need to activate an ubuntu one account first, then get the software installed. it can automatically sync a directory for you, so you just cp/mv things into it and they'll be uploaded to the server
[20:49] <tsimpson> you'd need to register at https://one.ubuntu.com/
[20:50] <hejbop> does anyone know of a ftp i could upload a single rc.lua file?
[20:50] <hejbop> the hassle of creating it negates the benefit of even having X
[20:50] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, ok , swapfile created , altho the tutorial mistakenly uses  etc/fstab for the entry, instead of /etc/fstab
[20:50] <tsimpson> hejbop: I just remembered http://www.drivehq.com/ they offer some free FTP space
[20:52] <BluesKaj> hejbop, google docs ?
[20:52] <hejbop> WOW that is the suckiest website design i have ever seen
[20:52] <hejbop> i do have a google docs page
[20:52] <jtaylor> hejbop: you obviously weren't around when geocities was used :)
[20:52] <BluesKaj> or dropbox or even ubuntu one
[20:53] <hejbop> but that requires me to have a webbrowser that runs the full javascript * version. All i got is links2
[20:53] <tsimpson> hejbop: hes, it's very 90's, but it's a good free service
[20:53] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, there's ablast from the past
[20:54] <tsimpson> I use it one a couple of servers to automatically upload backups via cron, haven't had an issue with it, so much so that I almost forgot about it
[20:54] <jtaylor> you could use git and a git hoster
[20:54] <jtaylor> or any other vcs
[20:54] <hejbop> geocities, i had accumulated a playlist with my storage at 1gb on that was awesome
[21:01] <tsimpson> ah, well Launchpad has free bzr hosting
[21:01] <tsimpson> the only issue is that, if it is an issue for you, is everything you upload is visible to anyone
[21:12] <dubac0> i'm on ubuntu 12.10 and it wont install skype... any work arounds? says package is bad quality
[21:16] <a715t0t13> @ funkyHat
[21:17] <bjsnider> what says package is bad quality?
[21:20] <BluesKaj> aha , another kernel upgrade
[21:21] <bjsnider> a715t0t13, install the package using sudo dpkg -i from a console
[22:48] <bobweaver> Hello there I was wondering if you all are having the same issues that I am having ?  My issues are as followed    the  application lens is not working alt+tab is not working , alt+~ is not working, The launcher is not working, this is what I mean the launcher can launch things but after it launchs things it does not know that things are launched meaning that when I Min a window it is gone forever and there is no way that I can get it back
[23:11] <bobweaver> all right so I have 100% removed all ppa's and also removed and purged unity and compiz and all there dependents then re-installed everything to make sure that it is from the main repo tried to unity --replace not good I am going to try to reboot


[14:04] <erick> Hi.
[14:06] <erick> I have some questions about the new Wily Werewolf.
[14:06] <erick> What version of GSteamer would we get with the new Wily Werewolf?
[14:08] <erick> I think we would get the most recent release of Xfce 4.12 right?
[14:21] <OvenWerks> erick: same as xubuntu
[14:22] <erick> I see.
[14:27] <erick> From here, I still cannot find GSteamer version, though -> http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-15-10-final-beta/
[14:31] <erick> I am sure I saw Xfce 4.12 in the new Wily Werewolf.
[14:32] <erick> Couple more questions. I think Ubuntu Studio would give us more software as I could see from the installation disk size.
[14:34] <erick> Now, I also like Jack Audio. Is there anything else beside that? What else would be the different between Xubuntu and this Ubuntu Studio.
[15:55] <OvenWerks> erick: yes lots of packages, but also some of the system setting are set for better audio use.
[15:55] <OvenWerks> swappiness is set much lower, rtirq is set, etc. Also Studio has a lowlatency kernel.
[15:59] <erick> Thank you.
[19:45] <gorgonzolapasta> has somebody said something about the gimp themes idea?
[19:45] <gorgonzolapasta> i cant see the logs :/
[20:19] <bishops> Hello all, anyone knows what type of USB audio interface would work with ubuntu/linux? I see a lot of forums and links on the internet but they are all very old
[21:45] <studio-user090> joint
[21:46] <studio-user090> hellow


[16:33] <thorwil> http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2010/01/21/realism_in_ui_design/
[18:41] <thorwil> vish: hi! what do you think, mail to Humphrey or waiting to catch him on irc?
[18:42] <vish> thorwil: we can mail him , why wait?
[18:43] <thorwil> vish: gives a different feel. but ok ... do you feel like writing something? :)
[18:44] <vish> thorwil: i'm usually not around on irc when he is around , nz timezone is a bit early or late for me ;p
[18:45] <thorwil> vish: i thought you were on 24/7! ^^
[18:45] <vish> thorwil: i'm logged on.. but he isnt ;)
[18:46] <troy_s> What's up guys?
[18:46] <troy_s> How is everyone?
[18:47] <thorwil> troy_s: hi! all 4 of us who submitted manual title page stuff now agree on not continuing like that
[18:47] <troy_s> thorwil: Well good on you guys.
[18:48] <thorwil> i have a nasty sinusitis
[18:48] <troy_s> thorwil: Hopefully you can all bring something to the table. It is difficult to arrive at a solution that a single person, let alone four, can agree upon.
[18:48] <troy_s> But if you keep the goal in sight and try to keep things focused, it might be entirely possible.
[18:50] <thorwil> troy_s: i'm very much willing to step into the background, especially if that helps to get things forward
[18:51] <thorwil> funny how sinusitis seems to be common in english. a direct translation of the usual german term would be nose-side-cavity-inflammation :)
[18:53] <troy_s> thorwil: The trick will be to see if the output will shift.
[18:54] <troy_s> thorwil: If it doesn't, it is all for naught. You have each followed your own paths for a reason. The culmination shouldn't just be a melding of the ideas...
[18:56] <thorwil> troy_s: i thought we just cut the designs in quarters and combine one slice from each of us to for the final
[18:56] <troy_s> Exactly
[18:56] <troy_s> thorwil: Perfect.
[18:57] <troy_s> thorwil: Flop a nice gloss curve on it and a wet floor reflection and you are probably there. Easy on the eyes, usable (if you triple bold and outline the title), and professional.
[18:57] <troy_s> thorwil: Whatever the hell professional means.
[18:57] <thorwil> not to forget a lens flare. very trendy
[18:58] <troy_s> thorwil: Lens flares unfortunately aren't trendy.
[18:59] <thorwil> pah, people just didn't realize they can be combined with the wet floor effect perfectly, yet
[18:59] <troy_s> thorwil: Our little culture has enough problems without adding style. Probably a good start would be "OK... what is a good typeface? Why? Can we develop something solid using _just_ the typeface?" etc.
[19:00] <troy_s> thorwil: Might be a good place to start for you four :)
[19:00] <troy_s> thorwil: Could be an interesting discussion. lol.
[19:02] <thorwil> troy_s: first comes a mail to the project leader. plans to be made after his response, as far as i'm concerned
[19:02] <troy_s> thorwil: Might be an interesting exercise regardless.
[19:03] <troy_s> thorwil: S3 the opaque lynx cover you did.
[19:03] <troy_s> thorwil: I want to see something.
[19:07] <thorwil> i would like to see something that diminishes its likeness with a snail or alien. without introducing the details that would be obvious and a break from the solid shape
[19:09] <troy_s> thorwil: Put it up somehwere.
[19:10] <thorwil> troy_s: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/ubuntu_manual_cover/annotate/head%3A/manual_cover_thorwil.svg
[19:11] <thorwil> troy_s: i've been using launchpad for such things ever since i saw your work for ubuntu-women
[19:11] <troy_s> thorwil: It can be pretty darn useful for group sharing / branching etc.
[19:11] <troy_s> thorwil: It also solves the issue of things vapourizing.
[19:12] <thorwil> troy_s: for me it's mainly offsite backup so far, just with additional potential
[19:12] <troy_s> thorwil: Those phi guides?
[19:13] <thorwil> troy_s: hum?
[19:13] <troy_s> thorwil: In the svg :)
[19:14] <thorwil> yes, they are
[19:20] <troy_s> thorwil: As soon as you start putting critters on the cover of manuals, you are heading down a path of mimicry. It is deadly difficult to avoid that.
[19:20] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't know if it is possible.
[19:24] <thorwil> troy_s: i suspect that once we really think about what that page should get across, there might be no room left for a lynx. however, one could argue about making-contributors-happy being a valid requirement (if there should be a majority that wants a lynx ...)
[19:25] <troy_s> thorwil: If you weigh it against the classic "We are already fighting an uphill battle against outside eyeballs thinking we imitate / replicate / duplicate _all the time_."
[19:26] <thorwil> troy_s: a version number rendered in lynx fur will solve that issue ^^
[19:26] <troy_s> thorwil: We have a big problem culturally as we have developed this nasty 'design presence'... rather like me saying to you "Microsoft is designing a new product" versus "Nintendo is designing a new product" - you have a visceral reaction to both of those statements. That's the design presence.
[19:27] <troy_s> thorwil: If someone says "New Free Software design!", very likely there is a gut-wrenching "oh please not more"
[19:27] <thorwil> gut-wrenching ... that's a strong identity, then
[19:27] <troy_s> thorwil: So avoiding the 'yet-another-connection-to-oreilly-press' is a _very_ obvious pitfall to avoid in my estimation.
[19:27] <troy_s> thorwil: Sure is.
[19:27] <troy_s> :)
[19:28] <troy_s> thorwil: Strong on the wrong side of the metric.
[19:29] <troy_s> thorwil: And also why Ubuntu's little binge into iLame is truly horrible.
[19:30] <thorwil> troy_s: are you referring to the screenshots/tour page?
[19:31] <troy_s> thorwil: Indeed.
[19:39] <coz_> no lynx  ...just my opinion
[19:41] <troy_s> coz_: I'd agree simply on the merits of 1) the lynx aren't adding much 2) the direct link to oreilly press.
[19:42] <coz_> the only reason I say that is I wouldnt like to see  photos of a lynx or photoshoped photos of a lynx
[19:42] <coz_> if it were a  hand drawn quality rendering then maybe
[19:43] <coz_> the outstanding visual feature of a lynx are the tuffed ears
[19:43] <troy_s> coz_: Agree. the lynx there aren't bringing any sort of craftsmanship / artistry to the table.
[19:43] <coz_> maybe thats all that is needed
[19:45] <coz_> in the beginning I was doing animal paintings for ubuntu   ....badges...etc   no one liked them and looking back...even though hand done...they are   "heavy"  to look at
[19:45] <coz_> I nice abstract tastefully done would be
[19:45] <coz_> nice
[19:46] <coz_> I meant "a nice abstract"
[19:47] <coz_> of course no one asked my opinion :)
[19:55] <coz_> dont mind me ... I am somewhat in a bad
[19:55] <coz_> mood
[19:55] <coz_> I am tired
[19:55] <coz_> not typing correctly first :)
[19:55] <coz_> damn fingers
[19:56] <coz_> it's very "easy"  and to the untrained eye..rather "pretty" to use a photo  ,,,ad a filter to it and call it a picture
[19:56] <troy_s> coz_: Sorry to hear that.
[19:57] <coz_> or using the ubuntu symbol   ....way overdone
[19:57] <coz_> both of w hich...in the right hands can yield some very attractive results
[19:57] <coz_> but I havent seen any of that
[19:59] <coz_> I'll stop there before someone challenges me to do better lol
[20:00] <thorwil> damn!
[20:00] <thorwil> ;)
[20:00] <coz_> :)
[20:05] <coz_> ooo I hope I didnt cause the conversation to stop?
[20:06] <troy_s> coz_: No... I'm rendering.
[20:06] <troy_s> lol
[20:06] <coz_> oh phew
[20:06] <troy_s> coz_: I'd agree with you on the 'artistic' side of things... I'm just not exactly certain that animals on book covers delivers much.
[20:07] <troy_s> coz_: Other than the obvious and knee jerk response that anyone in tech knows of - the OReilly connection.
[20:07] <thorwil> the OSX parallel is much more hurtful
[20:08] <coz_> thorwil,  the themeing influence you mean?
[20:08] <troy_s> thorwil: I wouldn't worry about that too much.
[20:08] <thorwil> coz_: a cat for a release version, even the 10 is present
[20:08] <coz_> oh
[20:08] <troy_s> thorwil: It's a book. Context keeps it away from OSX I'd estimate. It _does not_ keep it away from "Learning with Python" :)
[20:08] <coz_> I understand
[20:10] <thorwil> well, i now listed the following reasons against the lynx: hard to get right, O'Reilley, OSX, potentially in conflict with the desired tone
[20:10] <troy_s> thorwil: Probably a pretty good summary. Certainly not easy to 'get right' in terms of an artistic flair to it... it's a rare ability to synthesize that.
[20:11] <troy_s> coz_: Have you been doing anything of late?
[20:11] <thorwil> one could add that the codenames weren't meant to hit mainstream, but that they do might be beneficial. at least as long cats are avoided :)
[20:11] <troy_s> coz_: Abstracts?
[20:12] <troy_s> thorwil: The upside of the codenames is that, at least for hardy, it was an excuse to actually build some sort of bloody emotion into the thing without everyone freaking out. It arguably worked to that end.
[20:12] <thorwil> ack
[20:12] <troy_s> thorwil: Maybe just try the type thing.
[20:13] <troy_s> thorwil: Start with at least _trying_ to get a bare minimum in place and analysing the roots... Kolor's for example, let's you at least go 'Ok... is the type working?' without being distracted by a 100 other things.
[20:14] <troy_s> thorwil: Strip out all of the complex responses (bad composition, bad treatment, bad copy, poor art, etc.)
[20:14] <troy_s> thorwil: And see if you can at least make some hay  there.
[20:14] <troy_s> thorwil: Obviously if you add in another element, you would need to analyse it in context, but at the very least, you at least have a good starting point for figuring out what elements are working on their own.
[20:29] <coz_> troy_s,  something non representational
[20:30] <coz_> did I ever mention I like Odd Nerdrum :)
[20:31] <coz_> the name alone is so cool :)
[20:32] <coz_> ok I have to get to the store and eat supper....sorry for interupping here....they were just my opinions...if I get good and worked up  I may even submit something :)