[08:17] <JamesTait> Mornin' all!
[10:16] <feasty> Ive got a file that is stuck uploading. u1sdtool --current-transfers shows it as uploading and that it has completely uploaded all the data but the file doesnt exist any more. I've rebooted the machine and stopped/started the service multiple times and it won't go away. I've even tried overwriting the file but it still won't go. Can anyone tell me how to clear the queue please?
[10:16] <clem-l> cparrino: hi, I just got your email
[10:17] <clem-l> cparrino: I'll be here all day, don't hesitate to send me a query when you're available.
[10:48] <facundobatista> Holaaa
[11:21] <nessita> hello everyone!
[11:21] <gatox> nessita, hi
[11:22] <nessita> hi gatox
[11:25] <gatox> nessita, are you free for 2 really small reviews? :P JUST TWO TODAY! jeje
[11:26] <nessita> gatox: shoot! I'll do them right after ralsina's cloud to cloud
[11:26] <gatox> nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/prettify/+merge/74219
[11:26] <gatox> nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/setup-button-fix/+merge/74118
[11:29] <facundobatista> Hola nessita
[11:32] <nessita> hola facundobatista!
[11:53] <gatox> ralsina, ping
[11:54] <gatox> blajk1, ping
[11:55] <gatox> someone ping? jeje
[11:56] <someone> gatox: pong
[11:56] <gatox> JAAAAAAAAAAA
[11:57] <gatox> nessita, legen..... wait for it....... dary! jeje
[11:57] <nessita> juaz
[11:57] <nessita> :-)
[11:58] <gatox> nessita, for a moment i thought that "someone" was a real person ejje
[11:58] <nessita> gatox: you have so much to learn :-P
[11:58] <gatox> jeje
[12:04] <nessita> dobey: when you start your work day, would you please help me debugging why the client-dailies seems not to be building after the branches land? cp and sso are buidling just fine (well, are trying to be built at least, we know that controlpanel is not building in M and O :-/)
[12:22] <nessita> gatox: do you have the mock from andrews for the signin screen? I don't like the lineedits centered
[12:22] <nessita> gatox: the rest looks good
[12:23] <gatox> nessita, yes i have the mock.... and has everything centered
[12:23] <nessita> gatox: I have a mock from lisette with everything to the left :-P
[12:23] <nessita> gatox: is in the share
[12:23] <gatox> nessita, should i revert that change?
[12:24] <nessita> under client/disconnect_flow
[12:24] <gatox> nessita, it looks kind of ugly for me
[12:24]  * gatox looking..
[12:24] <nessita> 004.png
[12:24] <gatox> nessita, true..... only that the labels and textfields seems to be bigger....
[12:25] <gatox> nessita, do you want to see andrews'?
[12:25] <nessita> gatox: yes please
[12:25] <nessita> gatox: bigger than what?
[12:25] <ralsina> gatox: pong
[12:26] <gatox> nessita, that what it was now.... i mean.... the labels in that screen in this moment looks really small
[12:26] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:26] <ralsina> good morning
[12:27] <nessita> gatox: we could make that a little bigger and add more left padding. Let's do this: let's revert the signin.ui, and I'll talk to design team about this. Please share with me the mock andrews sent.
[12:27] <nessita> hi ralsina
[12:27] <ralsina> hello nessita
[12:28] <nessita> ralsina: I reviewed you cloud-to-cloud branch, honestly it did not work very smoothly for me... I added comments, and I have a screenshoot if you need. Let me know!
[12:28] <gatox> ralsina, i was looking at some pages in the wizard while fixing some bugs.... and i found some inconsistency between some pages..... for example..... lisette designs tend to align everything to the left, and i found some pages where the text fields has some spacer at the left margin (to align that text field at the center or something), and some labels above text fields that include ":" (for example: "Email address:") and lisette always u
[12:28] <gatox> se labels without ":".... i start fixing that details so the ui has always the same style... but i wanted to check with you if you think that is ok
[12:29] <gatox> i was thinking to include that changes if you want in the branch i'm working on
[12:34] <ralsina> gatox: of course it's ok
[12:35] <gatox> ralsina, awesome! :D
[12:35] <ralsina> gatox: but which one will it be? with/without ? left-aligned or centered?
[12:35] <gatox> ralsina, everything left-aligned..... and everything without ":"
[12:36] <ralsina> gatox: ok, go ahead
[12:36] <ralsina> nessita: I will re-check that branch, maybe something broke from all the merging last night
[12:37] <nessita> ralsina: let me know
[12:40] <gatox> ralsina, do you know where is the page with the "reset password" button?? i can't find that!!
[12:40] <nessita> gatox: under login -> I forgot my password
[12:41] <gatox> ralsina, not the reset password page...... i mean the one with the e-mail text field
[12:41] <ralsina> gatox: forgotten_something.ui
[12:41] <nessita> ah
[12:41] <gatox> ralsina, ok!
[12:41] <gatox> thanks
[12:41] <ralsina> not literally that name :-)
[12:46] <gatox> ralsina, yes yes..... i found it!.... it started with forgotten jeje
[12:56] <alecu> holas!
[12:56] <gatox> any back to the future fan boy here? http://alt1040.com/2011/09/nike-lanza-las-zapatillas-de-back-to-the-future-22-anos-despues
[12:57] <nessita> hola alecu!
[12:58] <ralsina> nessita: could you run the tests of cloud-to-cloud and tell me if you still have the error? Not restart the review, just the tests
[12:58] <ralsina> hola alecu
[12:58] <nessita> ralsina: sure!
[12:59] <dobey> nessita: hmm, ok
[12:59] <nessita> dobey: thanks (I requested a build manually this morning, but wasn't building since sep, 02)
[13:00] <nessita> me
[13:01] <alecu> me
[13:01] <gatox> me
[13:01] <nessita> ralsina, dobey?
[13:02] <ralsina> me
[13:02] <nessita> DONE: reviews, bug #807021
[13:02] <nessita> TODO: reviews, bug #839907
[13:02] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:02] <nessita> NEXT: alecu
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 807021 in ubuntuone-control-panel "QT UI: we need to handle errors from the backend (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807021
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 839907 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Windows: Creating UDFs doesn't make them appear in u1cp (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839907
[13:02] <nessita> ubot4: YOU ARE BACK!
[13:02] <ubot4> Factoid 'YOU ARE BACK!' not found
[13:02] <dobey> me
[13:02] <alecu> DONE: finished errdict branch, a bit of IRL for it remaining
[13:02] <alecu> TODO: work on restart fixes
[13:02] <alecu> BLOCKED: yes. Kid sick, no kinder; lets find the best time for mumble
[13:02] <alecu> NOTE: I'm taking a conference day tomorrow, to go to CISL 2011
[13:02] <alecu> NEXT: gatox
[13:02] <gatox> DONE:
[13:02] <gatox> Bug #829358, and several fixing in minor details to increase styling consistency.
[13:02] <gatox> TODO:
[13:02] <gatox> Remaining UI Bugs.
[13:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:02] <gatox> No
[13:02] <ubot4> gatox: Bug 829358 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/829358 is private
[13:02] <gatox> ralsina, go
[13:02] <ralsina> 7/9/11
[13:02] <ralsina> ------
[13:02] <ralsina> DONE:
[13:02] <ralsina> * Finished with-systray branch (merge pending)
[13:02] <ralsina> * Proposed branch to improve the whole cloud-to-computer/viceversa pages
[13:02] <ralsina> * Proposed branch to add --installer flag to the wizard
[13:02] <ralsina> * Removed warning in tests (merge pending)
[13:02] <ralsina> * Worked on put-in-autostart
[13:02] <ralsina> TODO:
[13:02] <ralsina> * build release! that ism, if I finish three things first
[13:03] <ralsina> * installer details, cloud-to-cloud
[13:03] <ralsina> BLOCKED: no
[13:03] <dobey> λ DONE: bug #835093, poked at more deps issues
[13:03] <dobey> λ TODO: bug #840072, bug #838778, get stuff off CD
[13:03] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[13:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 835093 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Grammar Error in Control file (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835093
[13:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 840072 in ubuntuone-installer (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Installer needs to install more packages (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840072
[13:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 838778 in ubuntuone-installer (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "After installing Ubuntu One, there are 2 Ubuntu One launchers in System Settings (affects: 34) (dups: 10) (heat: 148)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838778
[13:04] <ralsina> ok, comments?
[13:04] <nessita> any comments?
[13:04] <ralsina> EOM
[13:05] <ralsina> about the mumble, is something like yesterday good?
[13:05] <ralsina> about 3PM
[13:06] <nessita> ralsina: ok with me
[13:06] <gatox> ralsina, yep
[13:06] <alecu> ralsina, I have some issues: my wife is working at that time
[13:06] <ralsina> alecu: then you propose a time :-)
[13:06] <nessita> ralsina: all test OK with no warnings
[13:06] <alecu> ralsina, what about 12.30?
[13:06] <ralsina> alecu: ok
[13:07] <ralsina> everyone else, is 12:30 ok?
[13:07] <nessita> alecu: sounds good
[13:08] <alecu> cool, thanks
[13:35] <ralsina> nessita: confirmed the "white page" problem with cloud-to-cloud, it's because of the merges, I will fix it ASAP so it's there for your second review shift
[13:35] <nessita> ralsina: ack. Can you please confirm you get the computer-to-clound page as well? I confirm I'm not getting it
[13:35] <ralsina> nessita: no, it's crashing in the middle of setting things up: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/685270/ [at least it's an easy fix]
[13:35] <ralsina> gatox broke it! [points accusing finger]
[13:35] <ralsina> Doing a test rye suggested I got a oops: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/685261/
[13:35] <ralsina>  OOPS-ID-2077appserverZBGFIGFbHACAaEEeBbIeBEJGDJfABfDCa234666
[13:35] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=ID
[13:35] <ralsina> argh, wrong channel
[13:41] <mterry> Heyo!  I have been experiencing not-infrequent "SSLError: The read operation timed out" errors when Deja Dup uploads files to the cloud.  Does anyone know why that might be?
[13:41] <mterry> See bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/844369 for an example
[13:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 844369 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "Deja-Dup backup to Ubuntu One failed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:43] <CardinalFang> Ooo.  Nice.  I saw duplicity backs up to Ubuntu One.  I didn't know about D'ej`a Dup.
[13:43] <CardinalFang> Damn Compose key stopped working.
[13:44] <alecu> mterry, there's been ssl errors in our servers as of lately. I'm not sure of the status, but maybe rye or duanedesign have more info.
[13:45] <Beret> note syncing broken?
[13:45] <Beret> status says it's up
[13:45] <mterry> alecu, it has not been merely a very-recent phenomenon
[13:54] <alecu> (sorry, my daughter just woke up.)
[13:54] <alecu> mterry, yup, it's been like that for some days now.
[13:55] <nessita> ralsina: I have good news and bad news
[13:55] <alecu> mterry, don't know when it started, but just today I heard people here having issues creating new users.
[13:55] <ralsina> nessita: bad first?
[13:55] <nessita> ralsina: the udf list from syncdaemon, after udf creation, is not updated
[13:55] <nessita> ralsina: the good news is that the UI is, indeed, reloading that list
[13:55] <ralsina> nessita: so, it's a syncdaemon bug
[13:56] <nessita> ralsina: so I'll go debug syncdaemon side
[13:56] <ralsina> nessita: good luck, here's a snorkel :-)
[13:56] <nessita> ralsina: is *extremely* weird, I can't think of how this is happening (knowing the code). We may be catching this somewhwere
[13:56] <nessita> ralsina: and is very likely a windows issue
[13:56] <nessita> ralsina: let you know when I know more
[13:57] <nessita> ralsina: were you able to finish my review?
[13:57] <ralsina> nessita: not yet
[13:57] <ralsina> nessita: but soonish
[13:57] <nessita> is ok
[14:00]  * nessita dives in syncdaemon code
[14:02] <ralsina> beuno: pindonga is telling me that the timeout problem with my account's ping *may* be u1-related after all
[14:04] <dobey> nessita: is there a u1client branch ready to land?
[14:04] <nessita> dobey: not that I know of...
[14:11] <dobey> yeah, seems my merges folder for it had a lot of rejected/superseded proposals still :-/
[14:17] <alecu> nessita, ralsina, gatox_away: the branch to fix the errdict issues: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/everybody-hates-errdicts/+merge/74606
[14:17] <ralsina> alecu: queuing
[14:24] <alecu> ralsina, gatox_away: I have not used the installer in a while, and I just followed all steps while testing my branch
[14:24] <alecu> ralsina, gatox_away: it's looking great!!!!
[14:24] <ralsina> alecu: and...
[14:25] <ralsina> \o/
[14:25] <alecu> ralsina, what about the "IMAGE GOES HERE?" in the final page?
[14:25] <ralsina> alecu: it's in a branch that's not merged yet
[14:25] <ralsina> nessita: +1 on your branch
[14:25] <nessita> yey!
[14:25] <alecu> cool
[14:30] <ralsina> nessita: cloud-to-cloud is working well again, ready for your review in your next batch
[14:30] <nessita> ack!
[14:47] <nessita> alecu: approved!!! and thanks for working on this :-)
[14:48] <nessita> alecu: error handler makes much more sense now!
[14:48] <alecu> nessita, :-)
[14:50] <alecu> nessita, the nice thing about this branch is that the -error tests now work from inside the "blocking" thread in the server, all the way out to the callback in the client
[14:50] <alecu> nessita, and the tests themselves are much smaller
[14:51] <nessita> alecu: yes, I really like the refactoring. A couple of iterations more and we get rid of mocker
[14:51] <alecu> nessita, that's the idea :-)
[14:51] <alecu> nessita, anyway, this last branch only applies to SSOLogin, not to SSOCredentials
[14:51] <nigelb> aquarius_: Hey, do you or someone from your team want to talk at Ubuntu User days? :)
[14:52] <alecu> nessita, I'm opening a new bug so we can fix the tests in SSOCredentials as well
[14:52] <nessita> alecu: great, thanks. The bug is for "only" fixing the tests, or we also have this failure in production code?
[14:53] <alecu> nessita, there was no use of errdict in SSOCredentials itself, so we should not have the failure
[14:53] <nessita> alecu: ok, good news then (?) :-)
[14:54] <alecu> nessita, I started doing the fixes to that in that same branch, but the bit that runs in a thread was giving me a headache
[14:54] <alecu> nessita, so I decided to fix only what was needed
[14:54] <nessita> right
[15:06] <gatox> I'M BACK!!!!!!!1 TRAFFIC WAS AN INCREDIBLE MESS!!!!!!!!
[15:08] <nessita> gatox: STOP YELLING! :-)
[15:08] <gatox> jeje
[15:12] <ralsina> IRL testing of adding things to autostart on windows is a huuuuuuuuuge pain
[15:31] <dobey> bbiab, need to get lunch
[15:32] <aquarius_> nigelb, heya! we may do indeed; that sounds like a good question to ask joshuahoover, perhaps
[15:35] <joshuahoover> nigelb: yes, i think we'd like to present, i need to confirm
[15:42] <ralsina> alecu, nessita, gatox: mumble?
[15:42] <nessita> right!
[15:42] <gatox> ralsina, ok
[15:42] <alecu> done
[16:04] <nessita> gatox: ping
[16:05] <gatox> nessita, pong
[16:05] <nessita> gatox: I see your bug list and there are 5 High marked as Triaged, are those actually In progress?
[16:05] <gatox> nessita, yes, i'll change the statusnow
[16:05] <nessita> gatox: thanks!
[16:11] <nessita> alecu, ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/delay-reload-folders/+merge/74633
[16:12] <alecu> lookin
[16:12] <nessita> alecu, ralsina: I will work on bug #843835 and bug #800705
[16:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 843835 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Qt UI: "Explore" should be disabled for folders that are not syncing to the local device (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/843835
[16:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 800705 in ubuntuone-control-panel "After subscribing/unsubscribing, folder icon is not properly enabled/disabled (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800705
[16:12] <ralsina> nessita: that works?
[16:12] <nessita> ralsina: at least in my VM, wann confirm?
[16:12] <nessita> wanna*
[16:12] <ralsina> nessita: sure!
[16:13] <alecu> nessita, there are no tests!!!
[16:13] <nessita> alecu: yes there are! I changed implementation, no functionality visible from the outside
[16:14] <nessita> alecu: you can look at test_reload_volumes_info_on_success in delay-reload-folders/ubuntuone/controlpanel/gui/qt/tests/test_folders.py
[16:15] <nessita> alecu: what I'm not testing is the call to callLater, which should not be there at all, since is a cheap hack
[16:15] <ralsina> a test there would be like ... a confession :-)
[16:17] <alecu> nessita, ralsina: will this bit of code be used also when creating udfs from the installer?
[16:17] <ralsina> alecu: no problem since you can only create UDFs *after* you see the folders list :-)
[16:18] <nessita> ralsina: but that is True for the control panel as well, no?
[16:18] <ralsina> nessita: in u1cp you create udfs from the folders tab
[16:18] <nessita> ralsina: yes
[16:18] <nessita> where the folder list is already loaded
[16:18] <ralsina> nessita: in installer, you leave that view, then you can create udfs, which are added to the list manually
[16:19] <nessita> ah
[16:19] <nessita> why manually?
[16:19] <ralsina> nessita: well, I create them and add them to the list, instead of asking for a new list
[16:21] <ralsina> nessita: delay-reload-folders doesn't seem to work IRL for me :-(
[16:21] <nessita> ralsina: can you re try by increasing the callLater to 2?
[16:21] <ralsina> nessita: sure
[16:22] <nessita> this is an ASCO
[16:22] <nessita> we can't be putting delays in there
[16:22] <ralsina> agreed
[16:22] <nessita> we'll never get a delay that fits everyones computers
[16:23] <nessita> ralsina: you sure you're using my branch, with proper pythonpath and all?
[16:23] <ralsina> nessita: yep
[16:27] <ralsina> ugh, udf creation is failing. I need to debug this more
[16:29] <nessita> ralsina: do you get the error popup?
[16:29] <ralsina> no
[16:30] <ralsina> but the UDFs are not created at the website, so something is failing in syncdaemon. I am staring clean now
[16:31] <nessita> ralsina: if folder creation is failing, and you're not getting an error popup, smells like you're not using my branch... because in it we have the handle-errors branch, which catches that and shows a popup
[16:32] <ralsina> ssl handshake failure
[16:32] <ralsina> it's failing in syncdaemon
[16:32] <nessita> ralsina: right, is the error in the controlpanel debug trace?
[16:33] <ralsina> no, only on syncdaemo
[16:33] <nessita> ralsina: weird!
[16:33] <ralsina> yes, I am starting again, with no metadata, clean account, no previous UDFs, etc
[16:35] <ralsina> nessita: the "show a dialog for everything" may not be a great idea. I am getting one about webclient every time I close u1cp
[16:38] <karni> guys, where are syncdaemon logs on Ubuntu? I thought they were in .cache
[16:38] <karni> ah, .cache/ubuntuone/log  :)
[16:40] <karni> facundobatista: Can I send you my SD logs? I noticed that every time I upload a larger file (this time 22MB), the upload progresses up to 100%, but then sits at that 100% before completeion for long. Would you have a look?
[16:40] <facundobatista> karni, put verterok in copy
[16:41] <karni> facundobatista: ok tnx
[16:41] <facundobatista> karni, but we'd need for them to be TRACE logs
[16:41] <karni> oh shoot
[16:41] <karni> right
[16:41] <karni> facundobatista: Could you remind me one last time how to launch SD in TRACE mode?
[16:42] <facundobatista> karni, edit your ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[16:42] <karni> facundobatista: DEBUG is not sufficient, is it?
[16:43] <facundobatista> karni, nop, as for this kind of issues we need to study all the dialog client-server
[16:43] <ralsina> nessita: ok, things seem to fail here because of the SSL handshake errors. I ust can't test it :-(
[16:43] <karni> facundobatista: ok :) thank you!
[16:44] <karni> facundobatista: I'll send the logs next time I have this issue in that case. Editting my syncdaemon.conf now.
[16:44] <facundobatista> karni, no problem
[16:45] <nessita> ralsina: we should fix the webclienterror instead ;-)
[16:45] <ralsina> nessita: of course
[16:45] <nessita> I'm getting traces in syncdaemon...
[16:45] <nessita> assertion errors from paths
[16:47] <gatox> nessita, ralsina when you have a minute: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/text-style/+merge/74640
[16:47] <ralsina> nessita: could we only show that if DEBUG is set? (unless that's already the case, of course)
[16:48] <nessita> ralsina: we could, but that's no the idea. If the backend fails, the user will not know and nothing will happen, and he will not know why...
[16:48] <nessita> ralsina: we should try fixing the webclienterror asap
[16:48] <ralsina> nessita: showing every exception to the user as it is, is not something that can be shipped
[16:48] <ralsina> for testing? yes
[16:48] <nessita> ralsina: you approved the branch! :-)
[16:48] <ralsina> nessita: I make mistakes
[16:49] <nessita> ralsina: we all do, but my point is: how were you expecting that we handle errors then? I'm not sure what the alternative is
[16:49] <ralsina> nessita: with DEBUG, it's ok to show those. Without DEBUG, we should log them.
[16:49] <nessita> ralsina: but the user experience will be aweful
[16:50] <nessita> ralsina: imagine this scenario:
[16:50] <nessita> ralsina: you try to login, and if the user/password do not match, nothing happens, and you have no idea why
[16:50] <dobey> heh
[16:50] <nessita> ralsina: if folder creation fails, nothing will happen, and you (as user) will have no idea why
[16:50] <ralsina> nessita: that is not what happens :-)
[16:50] <ralsina> nessita: if user/password don't match you get an error message, not a dialog with an exception in it
[16:51] <nessita> ralsina: nopes, you get a dialog with a proper error in i
[16:51] <nessita> t
[16:51] <nessita> ralsina: try it! :-)
[16:51] <nessita> same for folder creation error, device list retrieval, file sync settings change, etc
[16:51] <ralsina> when exactly are you saying I get "a dialog with a proper error in it" exactly?
[16:52] <nessita> ralsina: in the controlpanel, when you try to sign in with wrong user/pass
[16:52] <ralsina> nessita: users are not signing via control panel
[16:53] <nessita> ralsina: not 100% of the time, agreed, but 5% maybe? my point is we can't hide all the errors from the user, because we're not recovering from them (just not failing)
[16:53] <nessita> ralsina: think of folder creation. What if it fails?
[16:53] <ralsina> no, the only way to signin via control panel is to remove the credentials manually and then start it from cmd. 0.001% ;-)
[16:53] <nessita> ralsina: no, is by removing a device
[16:54] <nessita> removing the local device, sorry
[16:54] <ralsina> folder creation as in udfs? I am not getting a message anyway
[16:54] <nessita> (which is the only that can be removed from the QT interface)
[16:54] <nessita> ralsina: if syncdaemon is sending the error, you will get it. Perhaps syncdaemon is crashing itself
[16:55] <ralsina> nessita: not crashing, apparently, also not passing it. No idea what happens there. have you tried UDF creation lately? Maybe it's just me
[16:57] <nessita> ralsina: yes, I tried it 5 times today debugging the folder list reaload issue
[16:58] <ralsina> nessita: then it may be something again with my account, except it's a new one :-(
[16:58] <ralsina> nessita: on windows, right?
[16:58] <nessita> ralsina: so, about the error popup, the user should practically never got that. The key issue here is that we're having errors we should not be handling, and we should fix that
[16:58] <nessita> ralsina: yes, windows every single time
[16:58] <nessita> we should be handling, I mean :-)
[16:59] <nessita> ralsina: can you please file a bug about the webclienterror?
[16:59] <ralsina> nessita: I am not getting it ATM, if I get it again I will
[16:59] <nessita> ralsina: yes, is a timing issue, related to closing the controlpanel while a REST request is in place
[17:00] <nessita> alecu: I LOVE I can shutdown syncdaemon with ctrl-c now :-)
[17:00] <nessita> ok, lunchtime!!!
[17:00] <alecu> :-)
[17:03] <ralsina> alecu: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/685432/
[17:07] <gatox> elopio, ping
[17:07] <elopio> gatox, hello.
[17:08] <gatox> elopio, hi!, can you please tell me where did you see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/838628 because i can't find it
[17:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 838628 in ubuntuone-control-panel "wrong wording on the preference to sync shared folders (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress]
[17:11] <elopio> gatox, that's the settings tab of the windows dashboard. There was a list of three checkboxes. I'm not sure if that screen is still the same though...
[17:12] <gatox> elopio, ok..... let me check.... if i have any doubt i'll ping you again :P
[17:12] <elopio> gatox, yeah. I'll also grab the most recent installer and give it a try again.
[17:17] <alecu> ralsina, how did that pastebin happened?
[17:17] <ralsina> alecu: adding a udf
[17:17] <nigelb> aquarius_ / joshuahoover: Great! Thanks :) (sorry was away for dinner)
[17:17] <ralsina> alecu: it seems nessita did a commit "enforcing suggested paths t be unicode'
[17:18] <ralsina> alecu: revno 1100 of ubuntuone-client
[17:18] <ralsina> but that was a month ago, so I don't know how this could happen
[17:18] <nigelb> joshuahoover: When just ping me when you guys are ready with a timeslot. You can pick one from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays :)
[17:18] <joshuahoover> nigelb: will do
[17:19] <ralsina> But at least that explains why udfs are broken for me. I don't know why just for me though :-(
[17:28]  * nessita is back
[17:29] <nessita> ralsina: we did the path enforcing check when we fixed all the unicode/bytes path handling
[17:29] <nessita> ralsina: I'm getting traces like that as well, since today
[17:29] <nessita> ralsina: so something landed in trunk that is breaking path assumption, I'll debug
[17:29] <nessita> ralsina: can you please file a bug?
[17:29] <ralsina> nessita: thanks
[17:29] <ralsina> nessita: sure
[17:29] <ralsina> against u1-client or u1cp?
[17:29] <nessita> ralsina: is not specifically related to udf creation, though
[17:30] <ralsina> no, it just triggers it
[17:30] <nessita> ralsina: u1client, I'm getting those for Uploads
[17:30] <ralsina> ack
[17:31] <Monotoko> hey guys...any admins around? I think U1 gave me too much space... XD
[17:32] <Monotoko> Your storage: 1% in use (229.4 MB of 25.0 GB) Your current storage is composed of: 5GB with Ubuntu One Free
[17:32] <dobey> Monotoko: do you have the music streaming package?
[17:33] <Monotoko> dobey, no...I did have then I canceled it because I have Spotify, I'm on the basic package now
[17:33] <Monotoko> this was a few months ago though
[17:33] <nessita> beuno: ^
[17:34] <beuno> Monotoko, did you have the yearly music plan?
[17:34] <Monotoko> beuno, no I had the monthly one
[17:34] <gatox> elopio, sorry to bother you again..... can you please send me an screenshot of the page where are you seeing the bug i mention earlier.... so i can find it quickly and know what are you looking at?
[17:34] <ralsina> nessita: bug #845009
[17:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 845009 in ubuntuone-client "unicode path asserts are failing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845009
[17:34] <Monotoko> beuno,  it even tells me on the homepage I am not subscribed to the music plan
[17:35] <beuno> Monotoko, what is your email address?
[17:35] <Monotoko> beuno, can I PM you with that?
[17:35] <beuno> Monotoko, please
[17:37] <nessita> ralsina: thanks! I'll start on that ASAP, since I just proposed a branch for review:  https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/able-enable-disable/+merge/74652
[17:37] <ralsina> nessita: I'll review that one in the meantime
[17:37] <nessita> ralsina: shall I do cloud-to-cloud before starting that debug-branch?
[17:37] <beuno> Monotoko, interesting, that does look like a bug. Thanks for lettings us know!
[17:37] <ralsina> nessita: no
[17:37] <nessita> ack
[17:38] <Monotoko> beuno, no problem :) can I just ask am I going to be downgraded or can I use the space? XD
[17:38] <ralsina> nessita: start debugging, alecu and/or gatox can take a look at cloud-to-cloud, but the path stuff is way more important
[17:39] <beuno> Monotoko, we're going to fix the problem, I'll see if I can get you an extra year of storage for reporting it  :)
[17:39] <Monotoko> beuno, :D
[17:39] <elopio> gatox, don't worry. I should have attached the screenshot :)
[17:39] <elopio> gatox, just give me some minutes to download the new installer.
[17:40] <gatox> elopio, Thanks!
[17:40] <dobey> someone make a u1client branch already :)
[17:41] <nessita> dobey: I'm about to! but I depend on debugging :-/
[17:41] <nessita> I mean, I depend on finding the bug first, which can be tricky
[17:42] <nessita> facundobatista: ping
[17:42] <facundobatista> nessita, pong
[17:42] <nessita> facundobatista: hi! I need your knowledge on the Upload action queue command. I never got this right: who sets the tempfile name?
[17:43] <nessita> facundobatista: is it the ZipQueue in _compress?
[17:43] <facundobatista> nessita, AFAIR, the one who compresses the file
[17:43] <facundobatista> nessita, I think so
[17:44] <nessita> facundobatista: ack, thanks, I'll keep debugging from there
[17:45] <nessita> ralsina: can I have the complete log from your run?
[17:47] <ralsina> nessita: will ahve to do a new one
[17:47] <ralsina> nessita: will have it in 2'
[17:51] <ralsina> nessita: it's not happening now!
[17:51]  * ralsina is about to go crazy
[17:51] <nessita> ralsina: right, it depends on an upload being compressed generating a temp file
[17:51] <ralsina> ooooook
[17:51] <ralsina> no wonder it was so randim
[17:52] <ralsina> So it has to be a folder with a large file?
[17:52] <nessita> ralsina: right, it smells like is an 'old' bug, but we never hit it so far (or we were not aware we hit it(
[17:52] <nessita> ))
[17:52] <ralsina> better today than next week
[17:52] <nessita> ralsina: perhaps, I'm not sure (I m not very familiar with the ZipQueue)
[17:53] <ralsina> doesn't seem to make a difference
[17:53] <nessita> ralsina: is ok, I'll use what I have
[17:53] <ralsina> still need the log? Because I couldn't  reproduce
[17:53] <nessita> is ok
[17:53] <ralsina> ok
[18:03] <elopio> gatox, I added the screenshot
[18:05] <ralsina> I am going to take 30' and have some tea. I need to cool down a bit.
[18:06] <gatox> elopio, thanks!
[18:07] <elopio> gatox, np.
[18:07] <elopio> I'm going to have lunch.
[18:26] <gatox> mandel, ping
[18:32] <Monotoko> hmmm...is there any iPhone app other than the music one?
[18:33] <nessita> gatox: mandel?
[18:33] <Monotoko> contacts backup would come in useful...
[18:33] <nessita> gatox: mandel is on holidays! :-)
[18:33] <gatox> nessita, i was looking for mandel about the bug i mention to you.... no need anymore
[18:33] <nessita> ah!
[18:33] <dobey> Monotoko: i think a new contacts app is in the works
[18:34] <Monotoko> dobey, excellent
[19:09] <alecu> gatox, ping
[19:09] <gatox> alecu, pong
[19:09] <alecu> gatox, can I pass you this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/845083
[19:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 845083 in ubuntu-sso-client "Registration error message is not parsed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New]
[19:09] <alecu> gatox, it's the one we discussed on the meeting
[19:09] <gatox> alecu, yep!
[19:09] <gatox> alecu, is it ui stuff or something else?
[19:10] <alecu> gatox, I've traced it all the way thru the ipc methods, and it keeps being a dict, so it seems to be a bug in the function detailed in the bug
[19:10] <alecu> gatox, I think we should ask nessita for input on how the parsing of these error messages is done on the gtk side
[19:10] <gatox> alecu, ok, i'll take a look
[19:10] <ralsina> there is a _build_generic_error_message we can make public and use
[19:11] <alecu> ralsina, that's the function that "gives up" while parsing the dict.
[19:11] <ralsina> really?
[19:11] <ralsina> whoa
[19:12] <alecu> ralsina, take a look at the function, and at the screenshot in the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/845083
[19:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 845083 in ubuntu-sso-client "Registration error message is not parsed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New]
[19:12] <alecu> ralsina, anyway, this looks like a "medium" or even "low" issue
[19:12] <ralsina> so it's a sort of error message it's not expecting
[19:12] <ralsina> welllllllllll
[19:13] <ralsina> it's not a crasher but it's not something we can ship
[19:13] <ralsina> as in "every time you fill a field wrong you get a dictionary thrown to your face" :-)
[19:13] <alecu> ralsina, well, the users would end up learning a whole lotta new words.
[19:14] <ralsina> so, alecu, no more changes coming for the errdicts branch?
[19:14] <ralsina> if so, I am approving it
[19:14] <alecu> ralsina, yes: no more changes coming.
[19:14] <alecu> ralsina, yay!
[19:14] <ralsina> cool +1 and merging
[19:15] <ralsina> we are down to one critical error and two ugly patches
[19:15] <ralsina> alecu: wanna start something else, or you need to look after amelia?
[19:16] <nessita> ralsina, alecu: the assertion error in paths thing is "heavy" :-(
[19:16] <ralsina> if you are up to another thing: closing u1cp from trunk shows a dialog with a webclient error, find and kill ;-)
[19:16] <ralsina> nessita: expected it
[19:16] <alecu> nessita, can I help with that?
[19:16] <ralsina> nessita: so, we are not shipping tonight
[19:16] <nessita> ralsina: I'm mumbling with facundo trying to designed a good solution
[19:16] <ralsina> nessita: ack
[19:16] <nessita> we narrowed the problem
[19:17] <nessita> alecu: I would prefer if you can tackle the webclienterror
[19:17] <nessita> ralsina: have the bug report handy?
[19:17] <ralsina> never crated that one
[19:17] <alecu> ralsina, I'm currently babysitting, yes, so I'm not exactly "focused", but I will take a look when Luli returns
[19:17] <ralsina> alecu: cool thanks
[19:17] <ralsina> And.... I have to go pick mine form kinder
[19:17] <alecu> nessita, you mean the webclient error when there are pending web requests?
[19:18] <alecu> nessita, do you have a bug for that?
[19:18] <nessita> alecu: yeap, ralsina is creating one :-)
[19:18] <alecu> nessita, or a way to reproduce?
[19:18] <ralsina> no, I am going to kinder, but I will create one in an bit. Alecu: start u1cp, then close it :-)
[19:18] <nessita> alecu: open controlpanel in either linux or windows, and close before the webclient request are done
[19:19] <alecu> nessita, cool.
[19:25] <alecu> ralsina, nessita: do you guys mean the "dialog box" that's shown even after the control panel window was closed?
[19:25] <nessita> alecu: yes, that is just evidencing a traceback that we had since we added the twisted webclient
[19:25] <alecu> ralsina, nessita: it's says "WebClientError ... -1... etc"
[19:25] <nessita> alecu: that webclient "query" also prevents the controlpanel to close
[19:26] <nessita> alecu: yes
[19:26] <alecu> nessita, I can't close the control panel anyway
[19:26] <nessita> alecu: I meant: that webclient "query" also prevents the controlpanel process to finish
[19:26] <alecu> nessita, even if I wait
[19:26] <nessita> alecu: why not?
[19:27] <alecu> nessita, I open the control panel, wait for all the queries to finish, then I try to close it with the X
[19:27] <alecu> nessita, but the process does not stop.
[19:27] <alecu> well, right now it did close :P
[19:27] <nessita> alecu: right, "something" is happening there, never had the time to debug. Can't confirm is the same webclient thingy, but I would like to think it is :-D
[19:29] <alecu> ok, I'm looking into it.
[19:31] <nessita> alecu: thanks, I will file the bug since ralsina is afk
[19:31] <alecu> cool, thanks.
[19:33] <dobey> whoo, i finally found a trivial bug to fix!
[19:34] <nessita> alecu: the webclienerror: bug #845105 (can you please attach the stacktrace to it?)
[19:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 845105 in ubuntuone-control-panel "QT UI: WebClientError when closing the windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845105
[19:35] <alecu> ack
[19:35] <nessita> alecu: the "sometimes it takes a while to close" bug #845106
[19:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 845106 in ubuntuone-control-panel "QT UI: sometimes the process does not finish when closing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845106
[19:36] <alecu> nessita, my guess is that the second one is related to qtreactor
[19:36] <alecu> nessita, but I'll take a good look too
[19:37] <nessita> thanks!
[19:37] <nessita> facundobatista: just FYI, the open_file().name bug is: bug #845108. Do you need a bug report for the issue you're kindly helping us with?
[19:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 845108 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: open_file returns a file object whose 'name' is not a utf8 byte sequence (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845108
[19:41] <dobey> hooray!
[19:41] <dobey> who wants to do a trivial review? :)
[19:41] <facundobatista> nessita, nah
[19:41] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/print-version/+merge/74672
[19:41] <nessita> dobey: I will
[19:48] <nessita> dobey: approved
[19:50] <dobey> yay
[19:50] <dobey> now we can get some more debug info about nightlies build requests
[19:51] <gatox> nessita, ralsina when you have a minute: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/some-ui-fixes/+merge/74673
[19:51] <nessita> gatox: ack
[19:51] <gatox> launchpad not updated yet
[19:53] <ralsina> gatox: on it
[20:01] <Fury> When I look on the status page I see the symbol, that contacts are not working. When I click on it I only get informations about a service outage two weeks ago.
[20:01] <Fury> Did someone just forget to update the details or did someone forget to remove the symbol and I theres a failure on mc PC?
[20:03] <gatox> nessita, ralsina when you ran out of quota in control panel, is there any message right now?? or any error message?? to catch that and implement it nicer..... or this should be done from scratch
[20:03] <gatox> ?
[20:03] <nessita> gatox: from scratch
[20:04] <nessita> gatox: anyways, is not like you have to do big implementation, let me show you
[20:04] <nessita> gatox: please open this file:
[20:04] <nessita> ubuntuone/controlpanel/gui/gtk/gui.py
[20:04] <gatox> nessita, ok, nothing from ui.... but is there any message from sso or something to determine if the user ran out of quota?? that is what i want to know
[20:04] <nessita> gatox: and go to line
[20:04] <nessita> gatox: follow my pointer
[20:05] <gatox> nessita, yep? line?
[20:05] <nessita> gatox: go to line 1512, and then 1480
[20:05] <nessita> _update_quota
[20:05] <nessita> gatox: see how we paint the quota in red if it's below a threshold
[20:06] <gatox> nessita, yep
[20:06] <nessita> gatox: that's all you have to do. Translated to the QT UI, you have to:
[20:06] <nessita> 1- got to controlpanel.ui
[20:06] <nessita> go*
[20:06] <nessita> sorry, controlpanel.py
[20:06] <nessita> ubuntuone/controlpanel/gui/qt/controlpanel.py
[20:07] <gatox> nessita, yep, got it
[20:07] <nessita> process_info
[20:07] <nessita> (line 89)
[20:07] <gatox> yep
[20:07] <nessita> in that method, you should apply a similar logic with similar tests to the GTK ones
[20:07] <gatox> nessita, ok! no problem!!
[20:07] <gatox> thanks!
[20:07] <nessita> gatox: only that in QT we can just apply a property to the label, and define a QSS style, yes?
[20:08] <gatox> nessita, right
[20:08] <nessita> gatox: so we don't hardcode the "red" for the quota usage
[20:08] <gatox> nessita, of course
[20:08] <nessita> gatox: also note that we paint the quota in 'red' when the free space is less than QUOTA_THRESHOLD, which is defined in a common location for both QT and gtk
[20:09] <gatox> nessita, ok
[20:12] <nessita> gatox: question regarding the sso branch:
[20:12] <nessita> is this correct?
[20:12] <nessita>    <property name="rightMargin">
[20:12] <nessita>     <number>1</number>
[20:12] <nessita>    </property>
[20:12] <nessita> smells like a bug spirit
[20:12] <nessita> I think you meant 0?
[20:12] <gatox> nessita, why?
[20:13] <gatox> ahhhh let me see
[20:13] <nessita> margin of 1 is weird
[20:13] <joshuahoover> Fury: contacts sync is not working for most users, we're working on fixing it, which has us doing work on both the server and client side
[20:13] <joshuahoover> Fury: that work is in-progress
[20:14] <duanedesign> Fury: hello
[20:14] <gatox> nessita, right...... fixing.....
[20:14] <nessita> gatox: next question, why did you removed all the placeholdertext?
[20:14] <dobey> well crap
[20:14] <duanedesign> d'oh joshuahoover beat me to it
[20:15] <gatox> nessita, DESIGN DECISION!! lisette registered a bug for that.... she says that we don't want that, only the labels above the text fields
[20:15] <nessita> gatox: AAAAHHHHH
[20:15] <Fury> thanks
[20:15] <nessita> gatox: these design crowd does not get aligned
[20:16] <gatox> nessita, what?
[20:16] <nessita> gatox: I agree having that twice sucks
[20:16] <gatox> nessita, ahhhhhhh yes!
[20:16] <nessita> gatox: but the captcha solution entry does not have a label, right?
[20:16] <gatox> nessita, i think that is better as lisette says
[20:17] <gatox> nessita, nop..... is pretty clear that....... and if we put a label there we should increse the height of the wizard.... she says that we can let captcha without label
[20:17] <ralsina> users know captchas
[20:17] <nessita> gatox: right, so for captcha we leave the placeholder, yes?
[20:17] <nessita> it makes thing clearer
[20:18] <gatox> nessita, i remove every placeholder but i can restore that one if you want.....
[20:19] <nessita> gatox: I prefer not to remove the placeholder for the entry that has no label
[20:19] <gatox> nessita, ok
[20:19] <nessita> gatox: I think in this case is only the captcha solution, right?
[20:19] <ralsina> +1 on that
[20:20] <gatox> nessita, yes
[20:21] <nessita> gatox: also, why did you removed the newline in SET_NEW_PASSWORD_LABEL?
[20:21] <nessita> gatox: please note that legend is also used from the GTK side
[20:22] <ralsina> nessita: saw the movement on the asserts bug... since EOD is near can you catch me up with it, for ETAs and such?
[20:22] <gatox> nessita, ah ok.... the "\n" was not being taken into accout, so the space looks better, that's why i remove that
[20:22] <gatox> nessita, i'll restore that
[20:22] <nessita> ralsina: sure! but, whose EOD's?
[20:22] <ralsina> nessita: I assume yours
[20:22] <dobey> now i need to find another trivial bug to fix
[20:22] <nessita> gatox: why was not taken into account?
[20:23] <nessita> ralsina: I'll be here one more hour, but let's mumble and I'll give you the updates
[20:23] <ralsina> nessita: cool
[20:23] <ralsina> nessita: will be in mumble in1'
[20:23] <nessita> sure
[20:24] <gatox> nessita, the label was ignoring the \n
[20:24] <nessita> gatox: is that a QT thing?
[20:25] <gatox> nessita, nop.... i think something in between the translated string or something was causing to remove that \n
[20:28] <nessita> hum
[20:28] <nessita> weird
[20:28] <gatox> yep
[20:33] <ralsina> gatox, nessita, alecu: taking 2|3 hours off, will be back late tonight to see if we can ship and/or do the build
[20:34] <ralsina> if anyone needs me urgently, phone me :-)
[20:34] <alecu> ralsina, ack!
[20:34] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[20:34] <nessita> ack
[20:35] <nessita> ralsina: did you finish my reviews, by any chance?
[20:35] <j0nr> ello
[20:35] <j0nr> I make use of ubuntuone and ubuntuone music for Android.
[20:35] <j0nr> I currently have my music collection synced to the U1 server
[20:36] <j0nr> I would like to move my local music collection from one machine to another. Is this going to be possible without syncing the whole lot again?
[20:37] <beuno> j0nr, you're going to copy over the music yourself from one machine to the other?
[20:37] <j0nr> beuno: yes
[20:37] <beuno> j0nr, when did you sync this music for the first time?
[20:39] <j0nr> umm a few months ago
[20:39] <nessita> gatox: I added my previuos comments to the sso MP, moving to controlpanel now
[20:40] <beuno> j0nr, if you're on Natty (11.04), U1 will detect that you've already uploaded it and not do it again
[20:40] <gatox> nessita, ok..... i fix sso already anyway
[20:40] <nessita> gatox: ah, ok
[20:41] <gatox> rest for a minutes........ brb
[20:43] <j0nr> beuno: well.........this kinda leads onto my next question. I am setting up a home server using 11.04 server edition. I know I cannot use U1 on server edition (right?) so I thought I would put my music on the server, then mount it back on my laptop as a samba share. If that mount point for the share is the same name as the U1 music sync (currently ~/Music) would that work? I imagine it could play havoc if for some reason the mount doesn't mount
[20:44] <beuno> j0nr, right, I don't know what will happen with mounts, to be honest
[20:44] <beuno> I would expect U1 to assume you deleted everything if the mounts doesn;t load before U1 does
[20:44] <j0nr> beuno: would it them proceed to sync, i.e. delete everything on the U1 server
[20:45] <beuno> j0nr, yeap, i think it would
[20:45] <beuno> it would then maybe re-add them when they appear
[20:45] <j0nr> not ideal
[20:45] <beuno> but it sounds like a pretty risky thing to do  :)
[20:45] <j0nr> and I can't run U1 from the server?
[20:46] <beuno> not officially, but rye is around early in the day, he may have pointers on how you can hack it to work
[20:49] <dobey> j0nr: i would highly recommend not using a mount like that. it won't end well :)
[20:50] <j0nr> yeah I agree
[20:51] <j0nr> just want my music on a file server,so other devices at home can access it and also sync it to U1
[20:51] <dobey> joshuahoover: why not just share it from within banshee/rhythmbox/whateveryouuse
[20:51] <dobey> err
[20:51] <dobey> also, j0nr not joshuahoover
[20:52] <j0nr> dobey: what do you mean?
[20:52] <dobey> j0nr: well they have DAAP sharing support. i don't know what devices you want to share it to though.
[20:52] <j0nr> i am trying to get away from having my music just on a laptop... i want it on a central file server
[20:53] <j0nr> that file server runs ubuntu server....
[20:53] <dobey> j0nr: another option is to just install rygel on your workstation, and point it at your music library there. it will share it over UPNP/DLNA. it's what i use
[20:53] <j0nr> but how do I also sync to U1?
[20:53] <dobey> j0nr: i am talking about keeping the files where they are now
[20:54] <j0nr> yeah, they are just on my netbook. I don't like the netbook being too important... i.e. if it breaks or needs reformatting it wont matter
[20:55] <dobey> you don't have a workstation pc?
[20:55] <j0nr> nope :)
[20:55] <j0nr> wish I did
[20:55] <j0nr> I currently do everything from my netbook
[20:56] <dobey> clearly you don't have much music then :)
[20:56] <j0nr> the server is a low power thing not suitable for gui ubunt
[20:56] <j0nr> u
[20:56] <j0nr> dobey: about 14Gb at the mo of music
[20:56] <j0nr> is that a lot or a little?
[20:57] <dobey> a little
[21:02] <j0nr> heh
[21:02] <j0nr> its a lot to upload to U1 when you only have like 50k upload speed
[21:03] <j0nr> took like 48 hrs
[21:03] <j0nr> thats why I don't wanna have to redo it.
[21:03] <nessita> gatox: when you come back, I had to add a needs fixing for the controlpanel branch, I just realized the wording for the checkbox had a incorrect (semantic) meaning
[21:03] <dobey> eek
[21:03]  * dobey hugs his bandwidth
[21:04] <j0nr> down is ok, but up sucks
[21:05] <beuno> j0nr, U1 should for the most part never re-upload something once you've uploaded it
[21:05] <j0nr> beuno: what if I renamed a U1 synced folder locally? i.e. the top level one?
[21:06] <j0nr> I have ~/Music checked to sync
[21:06] <j0nr> what ifI renamed it?
[21:06] <beuno> it should be fine
[21:06] <j0nr> or what if I moved its contents to another U1 synced folder?
[21:06] <beuno> should still not re-upload it
[21:06] <beuno> give it a try, see for yourself  :)
[21:06] <j0nr> :)
[21:08] <j0nr> so, "IN THEORY", if I mounted an empty share, checked it to sync, then moved my music into it... it would just move on the server?
[21:08] <beuno> yes, although, again, once there's a mount point, all bets are off
[21:12] <dobey> we do not support mount points at all, not even a little 'unofficially' bit :)
[21:20] <ralsina> nessita i did I think
[21:21] <ralsina> did I miss one?
[21:21] <nessita> ralsina: both? did the folder reload list finally worked for you?
[21:21] <nessita> ralsina: this one https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/delay-reload-folders/+merge/74633
[21:21] <ralsina> nessita: never was able to try it because of the problem with the paths
[21:21] <ralsina> let me give it another try
[21:22] <nessita> ralsina: please, I think you then said you could not reproduce the assertion failure, no?
[21:22] <ralsina> yes but did not try this one again
[21:22] <ralsina> nessita: trying now
[21:23] <dobey> have a good evening everyone!
[21:23] <nessita> gatox: I still dead people
[21:24] <nessita> I mean, I still see the CAPTCHA_SOLUTION_ENTRY removed from the branch
[21:24] <nessita> gatox: weird thing is that there is a mocker test that should fail, but is not failing :-(
[21:25] <nessita> gatox: AH! is failing on windows but not in linux
[21:25] <nessita> CRAP
[21:27] <nessita> gatox: ok, all failures and comments added to the MP
[21:27] <ralsina> nessita: it doesn't fix it for me with 1, yes with 2
[21:27] <nessita> ralsina: CRAP**N
[21:27] <nessita> ralsina: ok, I'll change it, but this sucks :-)
[21:28] <ralsina> nessita: indeed
[21:28] <ralsina> nessita: OTOH, if this hides the symptoms for some users and there is really no functional breakage, it's a valid workaround until we can fix it properly next week or so
[21:29] <nessita> ralsina: yadda yadda ;-)
[21:29] <ralsina> hehe
[21:29] <nessita> ralsina: chaging...
[21:29] <ralsina> nessita: we have fixed so many bugs the last two months.... we can fix 4 or 5 more next week, no sweat ;-)
[21:32] <nessita> ralsina: Pushed up to revision 220 (2 seconds instead of 1)
[21:33] <ralsina> listo, la mando a trunk
[21:33] <ralsina> oops, E_WRONLANG
[21:33] <nessita> juaz
[21:49] <nessita> ralsina: I still don't get the computer-to-cloud page in the cloud-to-cloud branch :-/
[21:51] <nessita> ralsina: comment added....
[21:52] <alecu> nessita, ralsina: I think I found why that dialog is shown
[21:53] <nessita> alecu: I know why the dialog is shown :-)
[21:53] <nessita> alecu: I added that code
[21:53] <alecu> nessita, why?
[21:53] <nessita> alecu: the issue is that we should not be getting a webclienterror
[21:53] <alecu> nessita, why not? it's being shut down!
[21:53] <nessita> alecu: I added a generic handler to catch any error
[21:53] <alecu> nessita, that's insane!
[21:53] <nessita> alecu: ...
[21:54] <nessita> alecu: wanna mumble it?
[21:54] <alecu> nessita, we should not be blindly handling *every* error
[21:54] <alecu> shure
[21:54] <alecu> sure too
[21:54] <nessita> alecu: loading mumble
[22:00] <gatox> back....... :P
[22:32] <alecu> hello gatox
[22:32] <gatox> alecu, hi
[22:32] <alecu> afaik the release should be tonight, but it will likely won't be
[22:33] <gatox> alecu, ahhhhhh ok.... i just wanted to know to be sure if i could finish with some stuff before :D
[22:33] <nessita> gatox: we haven't solved some important issues (low layer), so, it may be tomorrow
[22:33] <nessita> gatox: did you saw the 2 reviews I made?
[22:33] <gatox> nessita, yep..... fixed already
[22:36] <nessita> gatox: I will finish those tomorrow first time, I'm too burnt out now
[22:37] <gatox> nessita, of course!
[22:37] <gatox> nessita, i took a revitalizing nap! jeej
[22:40] <alecu> gatox, can I ask you a Qt question regarding "Signals and Slots Across Threads"?
[22:41] <gatox> alecu, yes! sure
[22:41] <alecu> I'm looking at this: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/stable/threads-qobject.html#signals-and-slots-across-threads
[22:41] <gatox> alecu, yep.....
[22:42] <alecu> and I'm trying to understand in which thread will the signal handlers be called in qtreactor
[22:42] <alecu> gatox, the qtreactor is creating a QSocketNotifier
[22:43] <alecu> gatox, and it's connecting it like this:
[22:43] <alecu>         QObject.connect(self.notifier, SIGNAL("activated(int)"), self.fn)
[22:43] <alecu> gatox, so, I wonder what type of signal-slot connection type it will use (according to the docs above)
[22:44] <gatox> alecu, that should be direct connection
[22:44] <alecu> my guess is that in order for it to be safe, it should be using either "Queued" or "Blocking Queued"
[22:44] <gatox> alecu, , which is the most common case
[22:44] <alecu> oooooh!
[22:44] <gatox> alecu, maybe i'm wrong, but you usually use direct connection
[22:45] <alecu> gatox, my gut feeling is that qtreactor is probably unsafe :-(
[22:45] <gatox> alecu, you mean thread safe?
[22:45] <alecu> gatox, yup.
[22:46] <gatox> alecu, because direct connection works properly with threads.... i don't know the specific case.... but any direct connection can communicate any thread with the main thread when it's needed without causing any conflict
[22:47] <alecu> gatox, the thing is that twisted functions should only be called from the main thread
[22:47] <alecu> gatox, and qt starts a new thread for each QSocketNotifier
[22:47] <alecu> gatox, but that's ok
[22:48] <gatox> alecu, do you have any log of the bug or something?
[22:48] <alecu> gatox, what's wrong is that if the qsocketnotifier slot is called on a different thread it may break twisted.
[22:49] <alecu> gatox, no logs. I found this trying to understand the weird behaviour we have some times while shutting down.
[22:49] <alecu> gatox, anyway, I would have to prove first that the slots are being called in the wrong thread
[22:50] <gatox> alecu, ah..... probably we should ask ralsina to be sure..... but if you really need that, you could connect qsocketnotifier to the main thread, and let the main thread to call twisted..... as a kind of wrapper.... just a thought
[22:50] <alecu> gatox, right: modifying qtreactor so it connects the slots using the "Queued" type
[22:51] <alecu> gatox, ok, thanks for the info.
[23:00] <alecu> gatox, I just tested, and it seems that all the calls are being done from the main thread.
[23:00] <alecu> gatox, so, it's not a thread safety issu
[23:00] <gatox> alecu, so it's not related to a qt thing
[23:01] <alecu> gatox, yup: that part of the qtreactor is safe :P
[23:42] <nessita> ralsina: we need a review in this branch from facu https://code.launchpad.net/~facundo/ubuntuone-client/temporary-files-cleanup/+merge/74699
[23:42] <ralsina> nessita: got it!
[23:42] <nessita> ralsina: did you check the cloud to cloud thingy?
[23:43] <ralsina> nessita: not yet, I am supposed to be cooking :-)
[23:43] <nessita> ah
[23:43] <nessita> I m supposed to be taking a bath
[23:43] <nessita> pero son rachas :-P
[23:44] <ralsina> nessita: is that an account with UDFs or a "clean" one?
[23:44] <nessita> ralsina: an account with UDFs
[23:44] <ralsina> weird
[23:44] <nessita> ralsina: the cloud-to-computer looks great
[23:44] <nessita> but computer-to-cloud is not there
[23:44] <ralsina> ok, I'll take another look after dinner
[23:44] <ralsina> could you try one with no UDFs?
[23:45] <nessita> ralsina: honestly? not today :-(
[23:45] <ralsina> nessita: understood
[23:45] <ralsina> go bath :-)
[23:45] <nessita> ralsina: I'm trying to fiinsh last 2 branches from diego
[23:45] <nessita> ralsina: so they land and you dont have to do anything special
[23:48] <nessita> gatox: sso one approved!
[23:48] <gatox> nessita, awesome
[23:48] <nessita> onto the cp now
[23:52] <nessita> gatox: cp +1'ed!
[23:56] <nessita> ok, I'm off crowd
[23:56] <nessita> see ya all tomorrow!
[23:56]  * nessita will get some rest
[23:56] <nessita> (for the final countdown!)


[14:43] <Riddell> hhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:43] <Riddell> ~z
[15:16] <jefferai> apachelogger: poke
[15:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: true that qtcurve releases very often.... but I prefer this to an unmaintain component like gtk-qt ;)
[15:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: jcastro was saying you haven't replied about UDS
[15:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ? I did to claire, has suggested
[15:21] <Tonio_> he wasn't in copy
[15:21] <Riddell> check with him then
[15:21] <Tonio_> should I forward maybe ?
[15:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[15:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: when did he say you that ?
[15:24] <Tonio_> I think I responded on 04/11.... a bit late though... I needed confirmation from my company that I'll be available since I announced I wanted to leave...
[15:25] <davmor2> Riddell: kubuntu alternates are up for testing
[15:39] <Riddell> davmor2: can you try a non english install?
[15:40] <davmor2> I'm doing upgrades
[15:40] <Riddell> ok
[15:40] <davmor2> have a word with jtholmes :)
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> ooh
[15:43]  * JontheEchidna has got to try this out
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> ☻/
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> /▌
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> / \
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[15:45] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: heh nice
[15:45] <claydoh> saturday night fever dance?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> eh, I thought it was just someone waving hi
[15:47]  * claydoh has dancing on the brain
[15:48]  * claydoh is happy-dancing due to new Red Dwarf episodes, and is a little giddy,
[15:48] <claydoh> and OT
[15:51] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: is this a script?
[15:51] <Riddell> claydoh: going to watch that later
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: nah, just saw someone post that on Digg
[15:52] <claydoh> Riddell: I have all the seasons, on vhs tape lol
[16:27] <davmor2> Riddell: what am I looking for in the foreign install
[16:28] <Riddell> davmor2: if text strings are translated, notably File Edit Quit etc
[16:29] <davmor2> Riddell: I have a cunning plan
[16:30] <Quintasan> oh my, meeting's today
[16:33] <davmor2> Riddell: I've asked ara if she can do it.  She said she can but not till tomorrow
[16:37] <slangasek> davmor2: fairly important to get this tested sooner rather than later, since we don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes for this translations bug and it may require changes to langpacks or to other packages that feed /into/ the langpacks
[16:37] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ping
[16:38] <davmor2> slangasek: I can look at it but I won't know if the translation is correct or not:)
[16:38] <slangasek> we're not looking to check the quality of the translation
[16:38] <slangasek> we're looking to check whether things are in English, which Should Not Be
[16:38] <davmor2> no probs I'll look at it and ara: can confirm it with correctness then hows that?
[16:42] <Riddell> it's pretty obvious when strings aren't translated
[16:43] <slangasek> the correctness really is completely irrelevant for this - wrong translations aren't getting fixed before release anyway
[16:43] <slangasek> but systemic bugs preventing translations from showing up need to get fixed
[16:45] <davmor2> slangasek: Riddell: rsyncing now
[16:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: If you have some time, please check this debdiff: http://wklej.org/id/77338/txt
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: pong
[16:51] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I still notice wrong permission (still no +x) on pykdeuic4
[17:14] <davmor2> Riddell:  Le CD d'installation ne contient pas le support complet pour votre langue.  Voulez-vous telecharger maintenant les paquets requis depuis l'Internet?  I'm guessing this says the cd doesn't have full language support for your language.  Would you like to install the required packages from the internet?
[17:15] <davmor2> slangasek:  ^
[17:16] <slangasek> davmor2: say "oui"
[17:16] <slangasek> (though it shouldn't matter for this part)
[17:16] <davmor2> slangasek: I going to
[17:16] <slangasek> and yes, that's what it says
[17:19] <davmor2> slangasek: Yay high school french has a use after all :)
[17:20] <slangasek> so do apps look translated?
[17:21] <davmor2> 604 of 641
[17:21] <davmor2> let you know soon :)
[17:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: might be related to qtscriptbindings
[17:38] <davmor2> slangasek, Riddell: some things aren't copy/cut but paste=coller
[17:38] <apachelogger> anyway, uploading final build to my ppa
[17:40] <slangasek> davmor2: so you're missing translations for 'copy' and 'cut'?
[17:41] <davmor2> slangasek: there are others ->go has back forward
[17:42] <slangasek> hrm?
[17:42] <davmor2> slangasek: Usb Startup Disk Creator
[17:42] <davmor2> Terminal
[17:43] <davmor2> Hardware Drivers
[17:43] <slangasek> davmor2: I don't think that answered the question I asked?
[17:44] <davmor2> copy ans cut are correct in OOo but not in Kate
[17:44] <davmor2> if that helps
[17:48] <slangasek> davmor2: ok; so it sounds like there are some stock translations missing
[17:48] <slangasek> Riddell: ^^
[17:48] <Riddell> davmor2: got a screenshot?
[17:48] <Riddell> of the File and Edit menus in Kate say
[17:49] <davmor2> Riddell: love to how do I get the keyboard layout up so I know where :// and . is?
[17:49] <Riddell> oh you chose azerty?  that's a mistake
[17:50] <davmor2> Riddell: I choose the default option during install
[17:51] <Riddell> davmor2: in system settings click the UN flag then the keyboard icon on the left
[17:52] <Riddell> first radio button
[17:52] <Riddell> and chose a sensible layout
[17:55] <davmor2> Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/french.png
[17:55] <davmor2> that's kate open
[17:55] <davmor2> now I can swap at the drop of a hat I'll get some more
[17:56] <jussi01> !info kaffeine jaunty
[17:56] <jussi01> ahh...
[17:57] <jussi01> Tonio_: your ppa upgraded kaffeine for me?
[17:58] <davmor2> Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/french1.png
[18:00] <davmor2> Riddell: although paste was in french
[18:00] <Riddell> very strange
[18:00] <Riddell> I can't recreate that and the strings are in the language packs
[18:00] <Riddell> I'll do a fresh install and see if I can recreate it
[18:00] <Riddell> oh, do we have a meeting at some point?
[18:01] <Riddell> ..in an hour
[18:01] <davmor2> Riddell: That's doing a full french install
[18:11] <davmor2> Riddell: I got the incomplete language support bubble on the task bar hang on I'll try again after that
[18:11] <davmor2> no same
[18:16] <a|wen_> davmor2: i have a user running danish, and i get some of the same translations missing ... seems to be some of the core translations shared between all kde applications
[18:22] <Tm_T> nookie^: what is not my problem?
[18:24] <a|wen_> Riddell / slangasek: i'm seeing the same with danish: as an example the file and edit menu in kate http://imagebin.ca/view/Rl2c91.html http://imagebin.ca/view/PPPFNO.html ; red markings are definitely not translated
[18:26] <a|wen_> if you want anything tested / tried / verified ... you are more than welcome to ping me
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> a|wen_: isn't bug 360029 about the battery plasmoid?
[18:30] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: of course ... guess i should have had my coffee before moving it around
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[18:35] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: kdebase-workspace, right?
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> a|wen_: yes
[18:38] <a|wen_> thx ... would not risk re-assigning it wrong twice
[18:56] <davmor2> a|wen configuration is the worsed
[18:56] <davmor2> nearly all english
[18:57] <Riddell> davmor2: where's that?
[18:57] <davmor2> kate
[18:59] <davmor2> Riddell: show statusbar, configure toolbars, configure kate, show toolbar, full screen mode, configure shortcuts
[18:59] <davmor2> a|wen_: what about you?
[19:00] <davmor2> Riddell: every back and forward is listed as back  and forward too
[19:01] <Riddell> yes I see it now on a fresh install
[19:01] <Riddell> this is very strange
[19:01] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:02] <Riddell> Nightrose: ping
[19:02] <Riddell> nixternal: ping
[19:02] <Riddell> yuriy: ping
[19:02] <a|wen_> davmor2 and Riddell: configuration is indeed bad ... every option except one is in english here
[19:03] <Nightrose> pong
[19:03] <davmor2> a|wen_: nevermind hey it's a feature to teach everyone to speak english :)
[19:03] <Riddell> Nightrose: meeting?
[19:03] <a|wen_> davmor2: ahh, nice way to loog at it :P
[19:19] <davmor2> a|wen_: as you can tell which bit's aren't right in which app can I leave a bug write up to you?
[19:20] <a|wen_> davmor2: didn't we already have a bug report to add to?
[19:20] <davmor2> a|wen_:  pass I just got asked to test it so did :)
[19:21] <Riddell> bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/355814 has been hijacked for that translations issue
[19:27] <nixternal> Riddell: pong?
[19:28] <Riddell> nixternal: meeting in #u-m
[19:28] <Riddell> nixternal: we need a final vote on comm_a_nder's membership
[19:28] <Riddell> and we're currently quizzing Quintasa
[19:30] <davmor2> Riddell: I just got the incomplete language support for an English install
[19:30] <hunger> Will quanta become available in jaunty? I guess it is too late for that...
[19:30] <hunger> Maybe the old uninstallable debs could still get removed from the repos?
[19:32] <a|wen_> !info quanta jaunty
[19:33] <hunger> a|wen_: That is not installable since it depends on kfilereplace and klinkstatus, both of which conflict with the -kde4 versions which get installed by the kdewebdev package.
[19:34] <a|wen_> hunger: isn't there an replacement for quanta in the kdewebdev-kde4 source?
[19:35] <hunger> a|wen_: So there is no kde4 quanta?
[19:36] <Riddell> hi seele, we're in a meeting in #u-m quizzing mcas on membership
[19:36] <a|wen_> hunger: they have changed an awful lot of names while switching to kde4 ... so might be something similar
[19:36] <Riddell> quanta is waiting on kdevelop4
[19:37] <hunger> Riddell: Ah, that explains things.
[19:37] <seele> Riddell: yeah, couldnt help being late
[19:37] <hunger> Any chance of seeing it in jaunty or will it miss the deadline?
[19:37] <Riddell> hunger: it doesn't really exist as far as I know
[19:38] <hunger> Riddell: It is build as part of kdewebdev when I run kdesvn-build, so I always assumed it existed:-)
[19:40] <Riddell> hunger: mm ok, it's not included in the tars given to packagers, and I guess they have good reason for that
[19:45] <hunger> Riddell: Well then better leave it out:-)
[19:53]  * kb9vqf wonders if he just missed the meeting
[19:53]  * kb9vqf has been having Internet problems all day and just got his connection restored
[19:53] <claydoh> kb9vqf: not yet, still going on in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:53] <kb9vqf> OK
[20:11] <ghostcube___> hi folks :)
[20:11] <davmor2> kb9vqf: on now
[20:12] <ghostcube___> i noticed a very cool function of kde3 isnt gone into 4, the possibility to change the runlevel services like in kcontol
[20:12] <ghostcube___> is there anything planned to get this done in kde4 again
[20:12] <kb9vqf> davmor2: ??
[20:12] <davmor2> meeting
[20:13] <kb9vqf> davmor2: Yes, the meeting is over in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:14] <kb9vqf> davmor2: sorry if I'm not understanding your question :-)
[20:14] <kb9vqf> ghostcube: AFAIK most of the backend modules like that are still under heavy development upstream
[20:15]  * seele waves to e-jat
[20:16] <e-jat> thanks
[20:17] <ghostcube___> kb9vqf: hmm ok cause this is one of the missing ones which was pretty useful :)
[20:18] <a|wen_> ghostcube___: you are not looking for someting like the "service manager" under advanced settings?
[20:18] <ghostcube___> a|wen_: i seen this one but no i mean the rc controlling possibility from kcontrol :)
[20:18] <ghostcube___> #sysv-rc-conf as gui
[20:19] <tsimpson> a|wen_: service manager is for KDE services, not system services
[20:20] <ghostcube___> yep
[20:20] <ghostcube___> :)
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> btw, what's the status of konversation in 9.04? Should it be demoted to universe since we aren't including it by default anymore?
[20:20] <a|wen_> ghostcube___: okay, system services ... you need to get back to konsole for that
[20:20] <ghostcube___> a|wen_: i am hehe
[20:20] <ghostcube___> a|wen_: but only want to mention i miss this very much
[20:20] <tsimpson> there is "bum", but that's GTK
[20:21] <ghostcube___> and i think it would be cool if it come back :)
[20:21] <ghostcube___> bum ?
[20:21] <tsimpson> !bum
[20:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: debdiff is ready for semantik :3
[20:21] <tsimpson> I think it stands for Boot-Up-Manager
[20:21] <ghostcube___> ah yeah
[20:21] <Quintasan> argh
[20:21] <Riddell> kb9vqf: I don't think I have access to any machines with large amounts of bandwidth to spare
[20:22] <Riddell> might be worth asking seaLne, he sometimes does
[20:22] <kb9vqf> Riddell: thanks, will do :)
[20:22] <nixternal> dang, I had other business...but I have totally gone brain dead just now
[20:22] <a|wen_> !info sysv-rc-conf jaunty
[20:22]  * nixternal tries to remember
[20:22] <a|wen_> ghostcube___: ^^
[20:22] <kb9vqf> I got something to the tune of 11000 hits today alone
[20:22] <ghostcube___> i use sysv-rc now :)
[20:22] <davmor2> Riddell: why oh why am I getting incomplete language support on a default English install.  Is it the OOo issue from before?
[20:23] <nixternal> oh
[20:23] <Riddell> davmor2: I've no idea, does it install anything?
[20:23] <nixternal> Riddell: with Karmic we will be dealing with the new Archive layout, and with that we will need figure out how we go forward by approving people and providing commit access to the repos for *Kubuntu Only Packages*
[20:23] <a|wen_> ghostcube___: half-way GUI in any case ;) ... but let's hope some new kde configuration emerges in time for karmic
[20:23] <davmor2> if it does it does it that quick you don't see it
[20:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://wklej.org/id/78274/txt
[20:24] <ghostcube___> a|wen_: :) yeah
[20:24]  * nixternal thinks that the KC will do the approvals of course, but maybe we should have a KTB :p
[20:24] <Riddell> I'd worry about too many committees
[20:24] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, that was kind of a little joke there with the KTB :P
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> Does anybody know the answer to my above question about konversation?
[20:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: paste it again
[20:26] <tsimpson> [20:20]<JontheEchidna> btw, what's the status of konversation in 9.04? Should it be demoted to universe since we aren't including it by default anymore?
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> Is there a reason it's still in main?
[20:26] <nixternal> Riddell: a new team for Kubuntu Developers or something though that will have upload access? We will need to confirm with the TB though as we will still have to do a MOTU/Core Dev like application process
[20:27] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm assuming it installed nothing being as it took mircoseconds to disappear but I don't get why it's appearing at all
[20:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I think we moved it to the dvd seed in the expection that quassel wouldn't be for everyone
[20:28] <Riddell> that may not be the case now
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> the reason I ask is bug 360965
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> the last comment there
[20:29] <nixternal> shoot, I need to upload docs like right now before freeze
[20:30] <nixternal> dang, missed the freeze deadline..that sucks
[20:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I can demote it
[20:30]  * nixternal has to do an exception now :(
[20:30] <Riddell> nixternal: I grant thee an exception
[20:30] <Riddell> if you're quick
[20:31] <nixternal> Riddell: it is incorporating the translations...it is a very slow and tedious process...not quick by any means...couple of hours of work at least
[20:31] <Riddell> nixternal: well any time today should be ok
[20:31] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy, probably int he next few hours I will have it uploaded
[20:31] <tsimpson> sound should work without aRts
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> really?
[20:33] <davmor2> Riddell: nice to see that print screen is linked to ksnapshot now :)
[20:34] <Quintasan> Okay, I'm going to get bed, night everyone. Riddell, if you have some free time here is debdiff for new semantik: http://wklej.org/id/78274/
[20:34] <tsimpson> JontheEchidna: afaik, arts is not essential, and apps can be compiled without arts support
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, konversation is
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> but wouldn't the aRts functionality still not be there?
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> since it's not being compiled
[20:35] <tsimpson> I mean there is usually a -no-arts flag for ./configure
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> yeah, and if it's compiled without arts shouldn't sound not work?
[20:36] <a|wen_> isn't the problem that konversation relies on the kde3 notification system ... maybe that has problem with sound in general
[20:36] <tsimpson> JontheEchidna: it should be able to use alsa I think
[20:37]  * tsimpson is not sure anymore :s
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> a|wen_: knotify is part of kdelibs, iirc
[20:38] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: and kdelibs (kde3) is compiled without arts ... but the question is if knotify+sound works then
[20:39] <tsimpson> JontheEchidna:
 The ones from "Configure Notifications" do, if you set KNotify to use a player other than aRts in KControl
 The ones in "Configure Konversation" (i.e. the sounds for individual highlights) require aRts
[20:39] <tsimpson> so I guess it's a config issue
[20:39] <tsimpson> but some sound won't work
[20:40] <blueyed> Can somebody confirm bug 361275, before I report this upstream, please?
[20:42] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: in any case konversation should go to universe, at least until we have a kde4 version in place IMO
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> I've been using the KDE4 version for a while, it should be ready for Karmic
[20:43] <e-jat> agreed with JontheEchidna
[20:45] <e-jat> i need to confirm about session in kde4 ..
[20:45] <e-jat> before i report it as a bugs ..
[20:45] <a|wen_> sounds good ... and basket kde4 version seems to be good for karmic as well
[20:45] <e-jat> seems like .. if i want to restore my previous session .. the application will crash ..
[20:46] <e-jat> am im the only one? i dont know to search for which bugs
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> which application?
[20:50] <e-jat> a few application if i left it in tray .. before i shutdown ..
[20:51] <e-jat> to summarize : it wont restore my previous session
[20:51] <e-jat> is it a bug ?
[20:51] <e-jat> where / how am i going to trace it ..
[20:53] <a|wen_> works fine here ... at least for kde4 applications
[20:54] <e-jat> a|wen_: u mean restoring the previous session ?
[20:54] <e-jat> u having problem to restore kde4 application?
[20:54] <e-jat> brb .. trying it ..
[21:04] <a|wen_> e-jat: restoring works fine here ... all my kde4 applications gets restored when logging in
[21:04] <e-jat> a|wen_: only 1
[21:04] <e-jat> im uploading the screenshot
[21:05] <e-jat> other application look fine .. accept kopete
[21:06] <blizzz> JontheEchidna: have you a ppa with kde4-version of konversation (or do you know one)?
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> I don't know of any, I compile from source
[21:07] <blizzz> well enough, do you have the link to svn at hand?
[21:08] <e-jat> a|wen_: http://yfrog.com/5sapplicationcrashattrayp
[21:08] <tsimpson> blizzz: I think tonio has it in his PPA
[21:08] <e-jat> im uploading 1 more screenshot
[21:09] <tsimpson> blizzz: https://launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/work/konvi-kde4
[21:09] <blizzz> thank you both tsimpson and JontheEchidna
[21:10] <blizzz> JontheEchidna: will it interfere with old konvi (if only compiled, but not make-installed)?
[21:10] <e-jat> a|wen_: http://yfrog.com/5vapplicationcrashattray1p <--
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> blizzz: I'd worry for your settings, I don't know what would happen
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> might be best to try with a different user
[21:11] <a|wen_> e-jat: does that happen everytime you log in?
[21:11] <blizzz> that's an idea
[21:12] <e-jat> a|wen_: sometimes i dont have session to restore ..
[21:13] <e-jat> i think yes .. maybe 1 or 2 ..
[21:13] <e-jat> maybe i need to test it out first .. is it occurs everytime or not
[21:13] <a|wen_> e-jat: doesn't happen for me ... i have kopete running at it is being restored fine every time i log in
[21:15] <e-jat> its ok .. not an issue for me .. hopefully its only me :)
[21:16] <e-jat> congrates to rgreening n a|wen_ :)
[21:16] <a|wen_> e-jat: normally a good way to confirm is to try with a new user
[21:17]  * a|wen_ jsut cleaned the topic for todays meeting
[21:17] <a|wen_> just*
[21:18] <e-jat> a|wen_: ok i will ..
[21:18] <e-jat> thats the right way to see new user with fresh session rite ?
[21:18] <a|wen_> e-jat: exactly
[21:19] <davmor2> Riddell: kdm is having issues on oem installs
[21:19]  * a|wen_ goes to sleep ...
[21:21]  * e-jat guys .. i think .. i need to offline .. since it already 4.20 am in MY :) .... c u guys later ..
[21:22] <e-jat> k guys .. c u later ..
[21:22] <tsimpson> e-jat: did you just /amsg that ?
[21:22] <tsimpson> wow
[21:23] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 361324
[21:59] <Blizzz_konvikde4> looks nice
[22:01] <jefferai> apachelogger: see my email to amarok-packagers...Nightrose said you had changes to the release script you hadn't checked in
[22:02] <jefferai> also, any news on a package for the script generator?
[22:02] <Nightrose> jefferai: one is in his ppa currently going through QA afaik
[22:02] <jefferai> SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTT
[22:04] <Blizzz_konvikde4> JontheEchidna: did you have any issues with konvi-kde4?
[22:05] <Blizzz_konvikde4> cause at first sight i'd replace old konvi
[22:12]  * Blizzz_konvikde4 goes to test old config on new konvi
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> blizzz: only very minor ones, like the window seems to sometimes move down a bit when restored from systray/when you move to the desktop is on
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> plus moving tabs up/down don't work
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> *doesn't
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> Otherwise I'm quite satisfied
[22:21] <blizzz> it seems not to run with the old config :( but this is not a major problem i think.
[22:22] <blizzz> the things you say are okay i think
[22:30] <blizzz> brb, moving to konvi-lkde4
[22:41] <blizzz> so :)
[23:00] <seaLne> kb9vqf: what were you looking for? btw is that a ham handle?
[23:00] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Yep, it is my ham callsign
[23:01] <kb9vqf> seaLne: I was looking for a mirror for the KDE3.5 LiveCD
[23:01] <seaLne> ah, i'm mm3zun soon to sit my intermediate uk license
[23:02]  * kb9vqf is glad to see another ham radio operator using Linux
[23:02] <kb9vqf> seaLne: I'm completely overloaded here with downloads of the CDs to the point where I had to shut them down
[23:03] <seaLne> was away tonight, when you were talking earlier, at the sort of practical group we have for radio in glasgow
[23:03] <kb9vqf> seaLne: What bands do you work usually?
[23:04] <seaLne> only got 2m antenna atm planning to build a multiband trap dipole in the next few weeks
[23:04] <seaLne> kb9vqf: what sort of bandwidth are you talking about and how often does the image change?
[23:05] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Well, before I shut it down earlier I had transferred 320.97 GB in about 6 hours
[23:05] <kb9vqf> seaLne: 14467 hits!
[23:05] <seaLne> thats a fair amount :)
[23:05] <kb9vqf> seaLne: The image will change usually a few days to a week after the Kubuntu releases (I think RC1, RC2, and final if I am remembering correctly)
[23:06] <seaLne> ah ok so not a few times a day, that should be fine
[23:06] <seaLne> i'm willing to give it a go but i don't promise anything about the stability of the machine,bw shouldn't be that much of an issue
[23:07] <kb9vqf> seaLne: I can do load balancing on this end, if you just want to stick the two ISOs up somewhere and send me the link
[23:07] <seaLne> k, where can i grab them?
[23:07] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Try http://apt4.pearsoncomputing.net/cd_images
[23:07]  * kb9vqf is not sure if that's the right link
[23:07] <seaLne> 404
[23:09] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Whoops....forgot that I deactivated that site.  Try it again...
[23:09] <kb9vqf> seaLne: I've been balancing between two servers, and had to shut both down
[23:09] <seaLne> still not getting anything
[23:09] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Try http://apt4.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages
[23:09] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Forgot to remove the underscore
[23:10] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Just do the Jaunty images; the Intrepid one is broken and obsolete
[23:10] <seaLne> heh, is there a wget able url?
[23:10] <kb9vqf> Yeah, just a sec while I extract them
[23:11] <seaLne> btw the links on that url 404 aswell
[23:11] <kb9vqf> Here:
[23:11] <kb9vqf> Here: http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-beta-kde3-desktop-i386.iso
[23:11] <kb9vqf> No, this: http://apt4.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-beta-kde3-desktop-i386.iso
[23:11] <kb9vqf> and this here: http://apt4.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-beta-kde3-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:12] <kb9vqf> apt4 is my local server, apt2 is shut down due to high traffic, and apt is used to balance the two with DNS
[23:13] <seaLne> only getting about 50k
[23:13] <kb9vqf> seaLne: That's my lousy connection
[23:13] <kb9vqf> seaLne: I wish apt2 was still up, but I'm locked out until tomorrow
[23:14] <kb9vqf> seaLne: I was completely unprepared for this--the users really, really wanted KDE3 still! :-)
[23:14] <seaLne> http://www.geeksoc.org/~kd/ when they download
[23:15] <kb9vqf> seaLne: OK, thanks a lot!  Do you want a note on the page, something like "Mirror graciously provided by seaLne"?
[23:15] <seaLne> nah
[23:16] <seaLne> actually http://www.geeksoc.org/~kd/kde3/ is a better location
[23:16] <kb9vqf> OK, I'll look for them there.  Say, did you ever consider any PSK31 radio equipment?
[23:17] <seaLne> current estimate of 4 hours for the first one :-/
[23:17] <seaLne> yeah building a connector for my ft-817 is on my todo list
[23:17] <kb9vqf> I have 20, 40, and 80 meter equipment, and might be able to make it over the Atlantic...
[23:18] <seaLne> when i have things setup i'll poke you
[23:18] <kb9vqf> Sounds good!  I'd like to see how my Elecraft K2 works ;)
[23:19] <seaLne> ooh :)
[23:19] <seaLne> i built the t1 atu
[23:20] <seaLne> only really got into radio about 6 months ago
[23:20] <kb9vqf> how's that working for ya?  I'm still on my old manual tuner
[23:20] <kb9vqf> Well, I've been off and on for about 7 years (mainly off, unfortunately)
[23:20] <seaLne> its great was impressed how much it improved the signal even on a supposedly tuned mates 40m vertical
[23:21] <seaLne> size wise its perfect with the ft-817, i hope to do some SOTA stuff this summer but need to build a portable HF antenna aswell
[23:21] <kb9vqf> I used to have an 80M center-fed Windom, but it blew down a couple of years ago.  It had the most peculiar radiation pattern, all south and west
[23:22] <kb9vqf> Thinking of putting up a standard dipole instead :)
[23:22] <seaLne> heh
[23:23] <seaLne> i lurk in #hamradio and reasonably active in ##amateur-radio which is mainly glasgow people
[23:24] <kb9vqf> I might look around #hamradio someday...still new to IRC--it reminds me of PSK31 to some extent
[23:31] <seaLne> kb9vqf: that server isn't great spec and its nfs home but you might get about 5Mb/s out of it
[23:31] <kb9vqf> seaLne: It's better than the 400Kb/s I'm serving now! :-)
[23:32] <seaLne> also no guarantees about it not dieing but poke me if you notice any problems
[23:33] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Will do--I might even set up a script to check the status every few hours.  I'll give you a poke when I have RC1 ready (probably a week or so).
[23:34] <seaLne> i got baned from using the work webserver after it used to host commit-digest which generated 95% of the web traffic to the machine :)
[23:34] <kb9vqf> seaLne: What kind of Internet service do you have over there?
[23:34] <seaLne> its at a university
[23:34] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Ahh...one of the only places the Web truly thrives :)
[23:35] <kb9vqf> seaLne: Seems the universities have better connections than most others
[23:40] <Riddell> nixternal: how's that docs package?
[23:47] <ryanakca> nixternal: I'm leaving tomorrow right after school for the rest of the week, so unless we get to work on h.k.o tonight, it'll probably have to wait until Sunday morning. If you want to attack it yourself, all the themes are on lp, under the kubuntu-website project. (kubuntu-theme-v2 and kubuntu-wikitheme branches)


[02:16] <skellat> For those this may be of interest to: https://nthykier.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/status-on-jessie-december-2014/
[02:16] <jenni> [ Status on Jessie (December 2014) | nthykier ] - https://j.mp/1ryp2qQ
[02:20] <PCLine_> Hello skellat - Thanks for the information but dont know what Jessie is.
[02:20] <skellat> Jessie is the upcoming version of Debian, Ubuntu's upstream
[02:21] <skellat> Changes that happen there can and sometimes actually do flow downstream into Ubuntu
[02:21] <skellat> While on the flipside we do try to get some Ubuntu things pushed back upstream patching stuff and making Debian even better
[02:24] <skellat> It looks like they've got 4 kaboom/blocker bugs before they get some traction toward releasing: https://udd.debian.org/bugs/?release=jessie_and_sid&patch=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rtjessie-is-blocker=only&fnewerval=7&flastmodval=7&rc=1&ctags=1&cdeferred=1&crttags=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&format=html#results
[02:24] <jenni> [ Debian Bugs Search ] - https://j.mp/1rypPYZ
[02:24] <skellat> Unlike Ubuntu, Debian only releases when it is "ready"
[02:26] <Unit193> I'll be happy when the freeze is over, I need to get some fixes in.
[02:26] <jenni> Unit193: 19 Dec 00:54Z <skellat> tell Unit193 THE GAME
[02:26]  * skellat ***SLAPS*** jenni
[02:37] <skellat> This is cute: http://pjmedia-new.pjmedia.netdna-cdn.com/eddriscoll/user-content/24/files/2014/12/1984_fahrenheit_451_not_how-to-guides_6-1-14-1.jpg
[02:37] <jenni> https://j.mp/1ryqOIB
[02:45] <PCLine_> and I just got all my systems updated and running the way I wanted (I think).  Now you tell me you hope for a major update.
[02:45] <Unit193> PCLine_: But, if you're using Ubuntu LTS, then no major upgrade. :P
[02:52] <PCLine_> I am not worried...Tomorrow I plan to backup all 4 systems and I will be good for a while Major or Minor update.
[02:57] <Unit193> I keep trying to break mine, doesn't work. :(
[02:57] <Unit193> (Kidding, just like doing crazy things.)
[02:59] <skellat> Unit193: I'm running Xubuntu 15.04 now and so far nothing has gone kaboom on me
[03:00] <Unit193> Any interesting PPAs? :P
[03:00] <Unit193> I still have yet to upgrade to 15.04, was going to take Omega up to that, but holidays and all.
[03:00] <skellat> Just the usual ppa:skellat/elptools
[03:00] <Unit193> No xubuntu-dev ones then?  Oh well. :P
[03:01] <skellat> To have my metapackage that ensures I keep the same base of packages installed
[03:01] <skellat> I may go risky eventually
[03:02] <PCLine_> am I looking at the wrong version information?  lsb_release -a
[03:03] <PCLine_> I only have 14.04.1
[03:04] <Unit193> PCLine_: That's the LTS, likely a good choice.
[03:05] <skellat> PCLine_, I'm running the developmental version
[03:05] <skellat> Kinda risky for me to be running it on what is essentially production hardware
[03:08] <PCLine_> Long Term Support - Never took the time to figure out what that meant until now.  Thanks.
[03:09] <PCLine_> Learned a lot of stuff this week.
[03:50] <Unit193> skellat: Mistake or purposeful not adding jrg to admins?
[03:51] <skellat> Unit193: Open the LP group and take a look for yourself
[03:51] <skellat> You might be surprised
[03:52] <Unit193> Heh yes, I did miss that.  Or forgot, goldfish and all...
[03:53] <skellat> I have to make sure I transition all credentials and start removing myself over the next day or so
[03:54] <skellat> Active Duty starts on Monday
[04:05] <skellat> Unit193: It is my duty to inform you that the three of you need to e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to inform them that Ubuntu Ohio's leadership has officially changed as of tonight.  It is additionally my duty to request that the three of you join<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in your joint capacity as the point of contact for Ubuntu Ohio.
[04:05] <skellat> Congratulations
[13:13] <belkinsa> On it.
[13:26] <belkinsa> Done: http://ubuntusense.com/2014/12/31/new-point-of-contactleader-for-ubuntu-ohio/ and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2014-December/006917.html
[13:26] <jenni> [ New Point of Contact/Leader for Ubuntu Ohio | Ubuntu Sense ] - https://j.mp/1D5oGJD
[13:26] <jenni> [ [loco-contacts] New Point of Contact/Leader for Ubuntu Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1D5oH05


[00:07] <ahoneybun> Ahh
[00:08] <ahoneybun> Andres did a few as did I
 Fwd from Kernellinux: hey guys, I don't usually do the whole "please share" thing but this week is seems particuarlly important. if anyone is on social media if you could please share this week's episode of Ask Noah Show and try to get the word out... … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKtqvbaqgAE
[04:08] <valorie> I don't have time to watch it right now -- what's so special?
[04:16] <tsimonq2> It really correctly talks about the whole security thing and what went down.
[04:17] <valorie> ok
[04:17] <valorie> I don't much like discussing CVEs and such until the patch is available
[04:17] <tsimonq2> Patches are available
[04:17] <tsimonq2> And public
[04:17] <tsimonq2> And distributed
[04:17] <tsimonq2> And and and :)
[04:18] <valorie> well, for ubuntu
[04:18] <valorie> nothing for my phone yet
[11:38] <acheronuk> clive IS ALIVE!!
[11:38] <acheronuk> clivejo: ^^
[14:47] <clivejo> am I?
 You were earlier
[14:48] <clivejo> lot of clearing up to do
[14:48] <acheronuk> careful with chainsaw!
[14:48] <acheronuk> *with the
[14:49] <clivejo> shhhh don't tell anyone
[14:59] <clivejo> oh my
[15:00] <clivejo> someone with very bad English has video footage of me watching porn
[15:00] <clivejo> and wants money to stop it going public
[15:05] <acheronuk> lol
[15:07] <clivejo> good morning. I have something for you.  I put a private virus on 900 web-sites with porn, known as 501 VR. When you tapped on the play buttom your device allowed to show the screen and camera record through "webrtc" and jscript . Then I found your webpage in social resources (your coockies helped me), so I have the splitscreen vid (you're playing with yourself and record of porn vid) and all your contacts: relatives, collegues and
[15:09] <clivejo> friends. Moreover, I have put the keylogger in your device, so I could use it as dedicated server

[15:09] <clivejo> I can spoil your social status now in my opinion some money can help you. 285 usd is enough for your hobby
[15:09] <clivejo> I give you 1 day since you read my letter. TrPX is inside the html file so I will know where you read it

[15:09] <clivejo> You can ask police to support you, but they don't have necessary equipment to find me. I am under different IPs, moreover I dont live in your country.
[15:09] <clivejo> Think about it, I think that your shame costs more than I asked to pay.
 (Photo, 2310x1454) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/wQzhuQBP/file_3393.jpg poor ol' WPA2 … https://redd.it/76yaoe … by @programmer_humor
[19:37] <valorie> clivejo: that's hilarious
[19:38] <clivejo> my coockies helped
[19:39] <valorie> coockies always help
 https://twitter.com/tsimonq2/status/919892650509193216
[19:40] <acheronuk> more new ISOs on the way
[19:40] <acheronuk> wrong chan :P
 Oh
 Shoot
 Well enjoy it anyways :P
 Er
 You're talking about your own comment
 :P
[20:05] <acheronuk> valorie: plasma 5.11.1 is built in staging for artful. so far so good
[20:06] <valorie> oooo, we might be ready for zero day then!
[20:06] <valorie> hadn't heard it was released
[20:08] <clivejo> I don't think BlueJay should be telling users to use staging PPA's
[20:08] <acheronuk> was released today. maybe be able to go with it this week. depends on feedback in the next 2 days I think. there is nasty unfixed breakage in the gtk config kcm module
[20:09] <valorie> ewww
[20:09] <valorie> worth waiting on then
[20:10] <acheronuk> perhaps. could always not let that be upgraded, as 5.10.5 version works ok
[20:11] <clivejo> acheronuk: you following conv in kubuntu?
[20:11] <acheronuk> just have to play it as it comes
[20:11] <clivejo> guy trying to install 16.04.3
[20:18] <acheronuk> booting from the HD, not the iso, but the sounds of it
[20:25] <acheronuk> the randomness on ubuntu IRC channels certainly picks up near release days
[20:26] <clivejo> craziness
[20:32] <valorie> I've noticed the same
[20:32] <acheronuk> nearly done: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ArtfulUpgrades/Kubuntu
[20:32] <acheronuk> just one image to do on thurs
[20:32] <valorie> looking really good, acheronuk
[20:33] <acheronuk> tsimonq2 will hate the use of kdesudo on that :P
[20:34] <wxl> yay!
[20:34] <wxl> you should make a list of all the contributors
[20:34] <wxl> just make sure the last names are in all caps
[20:34] <acheronuk> lol
[20:36] <acheronuk> last spin of ISOs being done - baring world ending errors
[20:36] <valorie> dear god no
[20:39] <acheronuk> not sure how much testing I will be able to do tomorrow, but I should be able to mop up any remaining test cases early Thurs morning if there are any
[20:46] <valorie> rainy on and off today, so I hope to do some testing here
[20:49] <acheronuk> have dug out an i386 laptop, but it can only do 1GB of RAM
[20:49] <acheronuk> and can't boot off usb
[20:49] <valorie> wow
[20:49] <valorie> DVD?
[20:50] <acheronuk> yep
[20:50] <acheronuk> if I can fond a blank one less than 5 years old and still writeable
[20:51] <acheronuk> *find
[20:53] <valorie> I bought a small stack of them last year for LFNW
[20:53] <valorie> and have burned ONE I think
[20:54] <valorie> which ended up thrown away anyway because we didn't need to rescue the older Mac
[20:54] <valorie> which was our group accomplishment at SeaGL
[20:54] <valorie> I need to write my blogpost about that
 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15492727
 not sure if we could suggest anything for that, but interesting