[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[12:20] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[19:58] <jedijf> has everyone submitted their talks for FOSSCON? it's last(ish) call time. just a reminder http://fosscon.us/CallForPapers


[02:20] <ubuntu__> n
[02:21] <ubuntu__> Not Sending Message on #ubuntu Channel
[02:49] <hggdh> yes, quieted
[02:55] <Menzador> they left
[02:59] <hggdh> I know. Just letting the channel know as well :-)
[10:41] <romain> hello, I would like to report a violation of the CoC by an Ubuntu member, but not on IRC, on Launchpad, is it the right place for that?
[10:42] <Unit193> We're just here for IRC, you either want to poke someone on the community council or LP admins perhaps, though I would think the former.
[10:44] <romain> where can I find the right people or the right media? I'm sorry but that's not written in the CoC
[10:46] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/community-council looks about right.
[10:48] <Unit193> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/Contacts#Community_Council)
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> could someone edit artful from topic, went eol yesterday tnx
[19:19] <Pici> done


[11:11] <mamarley> ricotz: I have 396.54.02 in https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages.
[11:48] <ricotz> mamarley, thanks


[00:06] <Ian_Corne> oh :p
[00:06] <BUGabundo2> tottaly staleld
[00:06] <BUGabundo2> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[00:06] <BUGabundo2> trying to re-run it
[00:06] <BUGabundo2> *if* quit works
[00:11] <BUGabundo2> which it doesnt either
[00:11] <BUGabundo2> rebooting
[00:47] <CarlFK> why is acpiphp only included in VM kernel packages?  (from what I gather reading Bug #364916 and linked bugs
[04:13] <cwillu> how do you dpkg-buildpackage a debug version (of compiz, in this case)?
[04:14] <cwillu> export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip noopt"?
[12:03] <thegoodcushion> what's the current state of play regarding GNOME in 11.10?  Will it still be present?
[12:03] <thegoodcushion> Currently I am using 11.04 with Classic desktop
[12:04] <vega-> last i heard was "no gnome in 11.10" ..
[12:04] <vega-> or read, from somewhere
[12:05] <cwillu_at_work> thegoodcushion, I believe mint is planning on staying with classic, although whether they have the manpower to actually support it is another matter
[12:05] <cwillu_at_work> it might be time to migrate to kde :(
[12:05] <cwillu_at_work> or perhaps xfce
[12:07] <thegoodcushion> nah
[12:07] <thegoodcushion> migrate to debian, more likely
[12:07] <ior3k> gnome 3 is already in oneiric, afaik
[12:08] <ior3k> and you can use it in "classic" mode by using the "failsafe" mode, iirc
[12:08] <thegoodcushion> so is it GNOME 3 or Unity?
[12:08] <cwillu_at_work> if only any of these fancy new desktop environments had a decent workflow for those of us with giant and/or multiple monitors
[12:08] <ior3k> I think you can opt for either one
[12:33] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: tried xmonad, or any of the tiling wms?
[12:33] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, yeah, not remotely useful for me :p
[12:34] <cwillu_at_work> I make heavy use of overlapping windows
[12:34] <cwillu_at_work> and they make that too hard to do
[12:34] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: care to explain why?
[12:34] <ior3k> not that it's my business
[12:34] <cwillu_at_work> ?
[12:34] <cwillu_at_work> I just did? :p
[12:34] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: why do you make heavy use of overlapping windows
[12:35] <ior3k> ?
[12:36] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: xmonad has several layouts that allow for overlapping windows (I mention xmonad because that's what I use, I suppose other tiling WMs have that too)
[12:36] <cwillu_at_work> lots of windows are streaming updates of some sort;  it's kinda like a reverse roll-up, where you can see and interact with almost all of them at the same time, and instantly get the full backlog with a click
[12:36] <cwillu_at_work> xmonad got on my bad side when it rearranged (obviously) 40 windows, and then didn't put them back where it found them when I exited
[12:37] <ior3k> hehe
[12:37] <cwillu_at_work> resizing 40 windows back to a reasonable size isn't fun
[12:37] <cwillu_at_work> and I've _never_ had a desire to have a single tiny little square, let alone 40 of them
[12:37] <cwillu_at_work> (that's what the expose thingie is for :p)
[12:38] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: you could have just chosen another layout, and it would have resized the windows to a more manageable state (using M-Enter)
[12:38] <cwillu_at_work> it's sad, because in principle I like the concept, but the conceit of "stop using your mouse" is just sillyness
[12:38] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, coulda shoulda woulda
[12:38] <cwillu_at_work> the out of the box experience was crap
[12:39] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: well, not trying to push xmonad at you, my point is that sometimes we need to fight that initial impulse to put things away right away
[12:39] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, I'm well aware of that, but it doesn't bring anything I want
[12:39] <cwillu_at_work> it may be _as good_ as my current approach, if I try it for a week or two :p
[12:39] <cwillu_at_work> and that's simply not worth my time
[12:40] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: oh well, good luck finding something that better fits you then :)
[12:40] <cwillu_at_work> (note that my current approach requires a patched gnome-panel in order to not go buggy when you put up a couple nice wide side panels for the window list
[12:40] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, that's what bugs me about the whole unity/gnome-shell/stop-using-gnome-panel-it's-so-90's thing
[12:41] <cwillu_at_work> because it works fine for this, and there's no compelling alternatives to switch to, certainly not the new bling :)
[12:41] <cwillu_at_work> (don't get me wrong, unity is great on my netbook)
[12:41] <cwillu_at_work> (even on my bigger laptop before it got stolen)
[12:41] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: I'd definitely say there *seems* to be a problem with your approach, but I can't say for sure until I'd know more
[12:42] <ior3k> too many windows :)
[12:42] <ior3k> seems confusing
[12:42] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, I'm going to be blunt:  it's arrogant of you to presume you know something is wrong with y workflow :p
[12:42] <cwillu_at_work> s/y/my/
[12:42] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: sure, that's why I said *seems*
[12:42] <cwillu_at_work> no, that's the arrogant part :)
[12:43] <cwillu_at_work> you see somebody doing something unfamiliar, and can't imagine how they can live through it
[12:43] <cwillu_at_work> I quite understand that xmonad works well for those who use it
[12:43] <ior3k> well, I apologize, then, it was not my intention
[12:43] <ior3k> I guess I like to find ways to simplify things, and assume those ways exist
[12:44] <ior3k> which of course may not always be the case
[12:44] <cwillu_at_work> fair enough
[12:44] <cwillu_at_work> I'm not claiming this is optimal
[12:44] <cwillu_at_work> I'm merely claiming that it's a local maxima
[12:44] <cwillu_at_work> and the peaks I can see on the horizon don't seem to be any higher :p
[12:45] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: well, if you ever change your mind and want to know if xmonad can help you there, feel free to ping me
[12:45] <ior3k> not that I get anything from it except the thrill of maybe helping someone solve a problem :)
[12:45] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, my copious free time will eventually be spent writing an actually sane (for my purposes) window manager :p
[12:45] <ior3k> if indeed it can be solved
[12:46] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: best of luck with that
[12:55]  * cwillu_at_work looks for an incompetent compiler writer to stab
[12:56] <cwillu_at_work> they implemented \ escaping in strings, but then they _include_ the backslash in the final string, in addition to whatever you quoted
[12:56] <cwillu_at_work> (so \n gives you a backslash, followed by a newline)
[13:50] <axscode> http://pastebin.com/d9VcZzeh <-- guys any help..
[13:54] <penguin42> sorry, haven't seen that one
[13:55] <axscode> just upgraded
[13:55] <axscode> from 11.04 to 11.10 though there's a problem
[13:55] <axscode> i rebooted and still partial upgrade, when click partial upgrade it shows that error
[17:13] <russjr08> Hey guys, what's the best way to install Ubuntu 11.10? Daily Build, Change Sources.list in Natty, or update-manager -d?
[17:13] <penguin42> update-maanger -d broke badly for me in a 2d setup
[17:14] <CarlFK> gcc -lrt async-test.c - compiles fine under natty, errors in oneiric: http://dpaste.com/548292/
[17:15] <penguin42> CarlFK: Try moving the -lt to the end
[17:16] <CarlFK> penguin42: that works.  thanks.
[17:16] <penguin42> CarlFK: Are you sure that works in Natty? I thought that change happened between Maverick and Natty
[17:17] <CarlFK> yep: Codename:	natty
[17:17] <penguin42> hmm ok
[17:18] <charlie-tca> russjr08: support for Oneiric is in #ubuntu+1, this early, update manager never works.
[17:18] <russjr08> charlie-tca, I thought I was in #ubuntu+1
[17:18] <charlie-tca> oops
[17:18] <charlie-tca> my fault
[17:18] <russjr08> lol
[17:19] <russjr08> I thought I was going crazy
[17:19] <charlie-tca> You usually have to change sources.lk
[17:19] <charlie-tca> let me try again, then
[17:19] <charlie-tca> you usually have to change sources.list and comment out all non-official repositories, including ppa's
[17:19] <russjr08> So then I should change sources.list and then do a sudo apt-get upgrade?
[17:20] <charlie-tca> then you do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and keep praying
[17:20] <russjr08> Ok, thanks!
[17:20] <charlie-tca> apt-get upgrade won't do it
[17:20] <penguin42> charlie-tca: do-release-upgrade -d  did try and upgrade it and do everything - I think it's the end result that's broken not the process
[17:20] <charlie-tca> russjr08: ^ ^
[17:20] <charlie-tca> It might be broken today, too
[17:21] <russjr08> hmm....
[17:21] <charlie-tca> live cd is broken for installing, maybe the upgrade is too
[17:21] <russjr08> Maybe today is not the day for trying it then
[17:24] <penguin42> welcome to pre-alpha
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> I used update-manager -d
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> guess i was lucky? :)
[17:29] <Ian_Corne> whatever you do, don't sit in classical
[17:29] <Ian_Corne> i'd advise updating in a tty
[18:24] <htorque> any idea how i can remove old keys from dconf? i have a lot from 'org.gnome' also in 'apps'.
[18:34] <afv> hello, is there a way to kill an invisible window?
[18:34] <afv> xwininfo: Window id: 0x10018e4 (has no name)
[18:44] <htorque> afv: just restart unity (alt+f2 → unity)
[18:44] <htorque> probably xkill works too
[18:45] <afv> thanks, it worked
[18:45] <afv> no, xkill won't do it
[18:45] <afv> better than having to restart x, heh
[18:45] <htorque> definitely :)
[19:01] <ubuntucu_ahmet> hello!
[19:01] <ubuntucu_ahmet> with ubuntu 11.10 will add this feature : Utilities for building localized CD’s " what is this ? something like remastersys ?
[19:05] <trism> ubuntucu_ahmet: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools , it seems to be for providing tools to help build localized versions of ubuntu (with more than just additional language packs, but custom bookmarks/input methods/wallpapers etc)
[20:10] <knight_> i have a question i cant seem to get my laptop from identifying that my screen is number 1
[20:12] <knight_> i have tried the catalyst control center but it always identifies it when i try to olay a game using wine
[20:12] <knight_> *play
[20:12] <knight_> is anyone here?
[20:39] <lucas-arg> is ubuntu "leaving" gtk and goin for qt UI?
[20:41] <micahg> lucas-arg: there are 2 versions of unity, one built on GTK and one built on QT
[20:41] <micahg> 3D is GTK, 2D is QT
[20:42] <lucas-arg> i know... but im wondering about future of unity... it doesnt make much sence developing it in qt and gtk
[20:52] <charlie-tca> I thought the plan was to have both qt and gtk in Ubuntu now
[20:55] <htorque> fwiw: unity does not gtk (internally) - it uses the opengl toolkit nux
[20:55] <htorque> +use
[20:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: yep, both will be on the CD
[20:56] <charlie-tca> unity might not use gtk, but gnome does
[20:57] <charlie-tca> and unity is just a shell to get to gnome
[21:40] <BUGabundo> my Asus Transformer finally arrived!!!


[15:31] <DanaG> Oh hey, is there a preferred response position for the mailing list?
[15:31] <DanaG> Reply below, or reply above?
[15:32] <_MMA_> Below is generally the norm.
[15:32] <DanaG> Thanks.
[15:32] <_MMA_> Is easier to read. Better for continuity.
[15:32] <DanaG> I saw this joke once:
[15:33] <DanaG> A.  Because it breaks continuity.
[15:33] <DanaG> Q:  Why is it bad to reply above messages?
[15:36] <DanaG> Well, something like that, anyway.
[22:24] <nicao> hi
[22:24] <nicao> sorry for my english , I am not use to chat in english ;)
[22:25] <nicao> may I asked a question?
[22:25] <nicao> if it is up to you?
[22:27] <nicao> I am seaching for the source of the Hardy Heron advertisement... the huge one you can see on ubuntu.com page
[22:27] <nicao> I would like to translate it in french for the ubuntu-fr.org main page
[22:28] <nicao> Our page is really "sad" ... not so much pictures, and that s a failure I think
[22:28] <_MMA_> Link to what you are talking about?
[22:28] <nicao> the advertising
[22:28] <nicao> on ubuntu.com
[22:29] <_MMA_> http://www.ubuntu.com has no ads.
[22:29] <_MMA_> Unless Firefox is doing something weird.
[22:29] <nicao> the picture like a flash
[22:29] <_MMA_> here that is.
[22:29] <nicao> "building for stability ... builiding for security..."
[22:30] <_MMA_> Odd. I don't get that here.
[22:30]  * _MMA_ looks on another box.
[22:30] <nicao> ok
[22:30] <nicao> oh thanks
[22:31] <_MMA_> nicao: In any case, it will most likely *not* be the art guys that have this graphic. kwwii might be able to get it. Best thing would to post to the ubuntu-artwork mailing list.
[22:31] <nicao> oki
[22:31] <nicao> good idea
[22:31] <nicao> I should do that first ;)
[22:31] <_MMA_> That way kwwii (Ubuntu art nerd) will be able to ask the Canonical guys.
[22:32] <nicao> oh that s professional work
[22:32] <nicao> a good job
[22:32] <nicao> so oki
[22:32] <nicao> I do that
[22:32] <nicao> sorry again for my english
[22:32] <nicao> I am french, and french ... you know...
[22:32] <_MMA_> Its alot better than most. ;)
[22:33] <nicao> lol, I hope
[22:33] <nicao> ;)
[22:33] <nicao> see you soon
[22:33] <_MMA_> So no need to apologize.
[22:33] <_MMA_> k