[00:00] <karni> CardinalFang: I bzr pulled your source and run setup. you're missing oauth-20090617.jar and oauth-consumer-20090823.jar (if you ask, those are used by protocol client, I use signpost because it's easier, for signing http requests)
[00:04] <karni> CardinalFang: sent you mail. both AndroidU1 and UbuntuOneFiles (assuming all libs are present, and signpost is 1.2 for both core and commonshttp jars) work fine
[00:05] <karni> CardinalFang: in case you need me, please send me an e-mail, I'll be leaving now, it's getting late here
[10:51] <mahen> hello
[10:52] <mahen> I don't know if any of you guys is available, but I still have this very annoying bug (100% CPU used forever, no sync :)
[10:53] <duanedesign> hello mahen
[10:53] <mahen> Hi Duane
[10:53] <duanedesign> mahen: what version of UBuntu?
[10:53] <mahen> 10.10 AMD 64
[10:53] <duanedesign> mahen: ok
[10:54] <mahen> It didn't occur at the beginning of my use of U1, but I happened after a few days trying to sync 20 GB of pictures :)
[10:54] <mahen> Now it happens every time
[10:54] <duanedesign> lets look at the log and see if we can get a clue as to why it is doing that
[10:54] <mahen> ok :)
[10:54] <mahen> thanks :)
[10:54] <duanedesign> let me get the log name we want...
[10:54] <mahen> (BTW, U1 is disabled ATM)
[10:54] <mahen> (I mean, not launched at startup=
[10:55] <mahen> -=+)
[10:55] <duanedesign> can you pasdtebin     ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[10:55] <duanedesign> !pastebin
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[10:55] <mahen> duanedesign: as U1 is not started, do you have a prefered way of starting it for debugging ?
[10:56] <duanedesign> mahen: lets look at what is in  the log. If it does not have enough info we will start U1 in debug
[10:56] <mahen> /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug > ~/syncdaemon-debug.log ?
[10:56] <mahen> duanedesign: OK
[10:57] <duanedesign> sudo killall ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[10:57] <duanedesign> /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug > ~/syncdaemon-debug.log
[10:57] <duanedesign> FYI^^
[10:58] <duanedesign> oh, that is what you said :P
[10:58] <mahen> OK, please wait a few minutes while it's starting (my HD is usually spinning for several minutes...)
[10:58] <mahen> thanks Duane
[10:59] <duanedesign> no problem, i am here for the next 2 hours
[11:01] <mahen> dune : here's usually what happens : 1) I start U1 -> drive spins for 2 minutes non-stop 2) then nothing happens as if daemon was not working 3) I wake it up for instance by launching u1sdtool --status 4) then I get a little amount of time with 100% cpu used 5) it processes metadata if needed 6) usually, then, it eats 100% of CPU for hours
[11:01] <mahen> right now I'm at step 5), I will keep you informed :)
[11:02] <mahen> (step 5) takes A LOT OF TIME even though "u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l" tells me "6" only
[11:02] <mahen> may be related to that fact I moved / renamed some folders...
[11:02] <duanedesign> could be. could be a file permission problem...
[11:03] <mahen> Each file metadata should take 1 second, right ? I'm still at "6" :)
[11:04] <duanedesign> we should be able to determine which file it is stuck on by looking at  ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[11:04] <mahen> all right then : http://paste.ubuntu.com/520105/
[11:04] <duanedesign> then we can check the permissions. If that is ok we will remove the metadata for that file and let it repopulate it. If that does not work I call in (r)ye :)
[11:05] <mahen> (resuming ? I thought resuming didn't exist yet :)
[11:05] <duanedesign> hmmm
[11:06] <duanedesign> i have never seen that. rye honk
[11:06] <mahen> Cool then :)
[11:06] <mahen> Ah, 5 metadata now :)
[11:09] <mahen> duanedesign: oh by the way, will the 10.10 U1 client still get fixed ? I'm asking because I understood there will be a complete overhaul in 11.04
[11:11] <duanedesign> mahen: well, that is tough to answer. Might be easier to answer after the Developer Summit this week. Plans are still being hashed out for this cycle.
[11:11] <mahen> duanedesign: line 2707 : filename should be "À donner". Maybe the client doesn't like stresses on capital letters ?
[11:12] <mahen> oh well, no it must just be how it's encoded
[11:12] <mahen> duanedesign: OK :)
[11:13]  * duanedesign looking
[11:15] <rye> mahen, is that Maverick client?
[11:16] <duanedesign> mahen: ok we can try
[11:16] <duanedesign> oop, never mind, rye is here
[11:16] <duanedesign> hello rye
[11:17] <rye> duanedesign, while i haven't seen such reaction for 'new_name' param we may have found some rare bug, so I am all ears
[11:18] <mahen> rye : yep maverick client, proposed repo enabled
[11:18] <mahen> (Hello rye !)
[11:20] <rye> ok, handle_AQ_MOVE_ERROR breaking on new_name is not the actual issue, since it is already in error condition that's ok
[11:22] <rye> mahen, ok, syncing logs to see whether that's server side. could you please check whether you have files in ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/move_limbo ? (files, not dirs)
[11:23] <mahen> rye : directories 0-9 and a-f. Should I check inside of those ?
[11:24] <rye> mahen, find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/move_limbo -type f | wc -l
[11:24] <mahen> 4
[11:25] <rye> mahen, ok
[11:55] <mahen> u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l --> still return 1 (2 hours ago it was at 6 :)
[11:55] <mahen> (to rye)
[11:55] <mahen> +s
[11:56] <rye> mahen, could you please pastebin the output of u1sdtool --waiting-meta ?
[11:56] <rye> mahen, i found the notifications about your session but not the information about your session, yet
[11:57] <mahen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/520121/
[11:57] <mahen> (Corse is a directory I renamed)
[11:58] <mahen> It's "000 - Corse" it used to be "Corse"
[11:58] <mahen> rye : please tell me if you want me to enable debug mode, BTW
[12:00] <rye> mahen, yes, that may be helpful too - u1sdtool --quit; /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug 2>&1 | tee ~/ubuntuone-debug.txt
[12:02] <mahen> rye : OK, relaunching, takes a little while (about 2 mins with CPU at 100%)
[12:04] <mahen> rye : I had to kill ubuntuone-indicator, otherwise, the syncd was in a loop state
[12:04] <mahen> you'll see that in the log
[12:05] <mahen> (with 100% cpu)
[12:05] <rye> mahen, what version of indicator are you running?
[12:05] <mahen> latest from ppa
[12:05] <rye> mahen, hmm, ok, will need to look into that too
[12:06] <mahen> this occured because I : 1) started the daemon 2) started the indicator 3) killed the daemon 4) restarted the daemon 5) --> had to kill the indicator)
[12:06] <mahen> (even did 3 & 4 twice)
[12:07] <mahen> rye : here you are : http://paste.ubuntu.com/520125/
[12:07] <mahen> (sorry in advance ;)
[12:08] <rye> mahen, ok, could you please run u1sdtool --connect ?
[12:10] <rye> mahen, and then re-paste. is indicator running now? I see a lot of called current_status, called waiting_content calls which I don't like if they originate from the indicator
[12:11] <mahen> rye : nope, I didn't restart the indicator since I killed it. (but the moment I killed it is visible in the log)
[12:11] <mahen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/520127/
[12:19] <rye> mahen, mmm, could you please check whether it reaches IDLE state?
[12:19] <mahen> still processing both queues : waiting metadata count = 1
[12:36] <mahen> rye : (still at 1 metadata left :)
[12:36] <mahen> I wonder if it stays so forever
[12:37] <rye> mahen, could you please re-paste ?
[12:40] <mahen> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/520138/
[12:41] <rye> mahen, well, i have to congratulate you that your files are now being uploaded
[12:41] <mahen> hmm
[12:42] <rye> mahen, and I have to file a bug report against the indicator which does not drop the metadata queue count when status is switched to content queue processing
[12:43] <mahen> rye : I'm not sure it is really working as expected
[12:43] <rye> mahen, if you fire up the indicator now it should start showing the remaining content count
[12:43] <mahen> rye : there is still 1 file in the metadata queue, it takes much time each time the daemon is restarted (full CPU + driver spinning for several minutes) and also if I check my system monitor it's definitely NOT uploading
[12:44] <mahen> -r
[12:44] <rye> mahen, what's the value of u1sdtool --waiting-meta ?
[12:44] <mahen> 1
[12:44] <commodoor> rye, could it not be the same issue that i had, that the meta was stuck?
[12:44] <rye> mahen, could you please tell what's in that queue ?
[12:44] <mahen> Move(share_id='b956c856-b908-4023-84f9-92bd0f901fdc', node_id='518795a9-7711-45e6-ac01-dc2eabbb976f', path='/home/mahen/Images/000 - Corse', new_name='000 - Corse', new_parent_id='c3fc5e25-a5c3-4bd7-b52b-31051e57f920', old_parent_id='c3fc5e25-a5c3-4bd7-b52b-31051e57f920')
[12:45] <rye> commodoor, no, right now it advanced properly through all the moves... well, it should have
[12:45] <mahen> this big directory I renamed from "Corse" to "000 - Corse"
[12:45] <rye> mahen, u1sdtool --current-transfers ?
[12:45] <mahen> 0
[12:46] <rye> great
[12:46] <mahen> rye : actually, I'm pretty sure something is very wrong, because I left my computer turned on for several nights to see if it would automagically fix itself, but it didn't. So I kinda gave up until today :)
[12:47] <mahen> (of course, I personally don't really mind. I backup my data on an external HD anyway -- but I only wanted to help you fix it :)
[12:47] <commodoor> rye, it really looks like the same issue, there is the move again
[12:47] <rye> mahen, in this case "great" means that I am not amused with the behaviour of ubuntuone-syncdaemon, digging further
[12:48] <rye> commodoor, and TRY_AGAINs with Upload, yes, something does not look really great
[12:48] <mahen> rye : yeah, I understood :)
[12:49] <mahen> (but indeed my message was ambiguous)
[12:54] <rye> facundobatista, ping, http://paste.ubuntu.com/520138/ - uploads fail, Move()s do TRY_AGAIN, what can we do except of dropping the move in move_limbo?
[12:54] <mahen> rye : I'll be away for a couple of minutes :)
[12:54] <mahen> thanks again for your efforts !
[13:00] <facundobatista> rye, what is "dropping the move in move_limbo"?
[13:11] <rye> facundobatista, syncdaemon retries to move the file and as far as I understand, ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/move_limbo contains the move information that needs to be processed
[13:20] <shane4ubuntu> when I run u1sdtool --current-transfers it should show me what is being uploaded correct?
[13:22] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, i think how many files
[13:22] <mahen> rye : I'll be back in 2 hours :) Thanks again to all of you
[13:23] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, either way, it should say something, because I don't think all my files have finished uploading.
[13:23] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, if U1 is busy with calculating meta it won't show anything, after meta it starts uploading
[13:24] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, do you have U1 indicator?
[13:24] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, I left it running all night and it didn't do anything, in the u1 preferences, I clicked on disconnect and reconnect, and does seem to be doing anything
[13:25] <shane4ubuntu> u1 indicator?  I'm not sure
[13:25] <facundobatista> rye, yes, for some reason, the server is answering TRY_AGAIN for that Move... don't know why, we could search
[13:26] <rye> facundobatista, last time verterok was unable to find definite reason :( So we ended up hacking the client to forget about that move and it continued uploading files.
[13:27] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, http://bit.ly/bScUsj with U1 indicator you can see hthe status
[13:27] <commodoor> rye, i had the same issue do you remember how we fixed it?
[13:27] <commodoor> rye, i know it's not the best solution
[13:27] <facundobatista> rye, could you please get a metadata dump?
[13:28] <rye> commodoor, yes we removed the file from move_limbo and it stopped TRYing_AGAIN, folder was not renamed on the server and everything went fine
[13:28] <rye> facundobatista, ok, just a moment, will look how that's done
[13:29] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, ok, getting it now, thanks
[13:29] <commodoor> rye, is this the fault of the server or the client?
[13:29] <facundobatista> rye, in the client source you have a dump_metadata.py
[13:29] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, if you have a lot of files it can take a while
[13:29] <rye> commodoor, that's what we will try to find now, since it does not look like a single instance
[13:29] <rye> facundobatista, yup, found one
[13:30] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, yes, I have a lot, and have been working on this for about a week, now it seems really just hung up at 507mb transfered for a few days
[13:31] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, i uploaded 5Gb and it was horor :P, you can do "u1sdtool --waiting-metadata" to see the output
[13:31] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, returned nothing.
[13:31] <rye> mahen, could you please download http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-client/stable-1-4/download/head%3A/dump_metadata.py-20100816185547-iz0qxhnvk7i3asob-1/dump_metadata.py , run it, and pastebin the output?
[13:32] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, "u1sdtool --waiting-content" without the quotes ?
[13:33] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, also returns nothing
[13:33] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, let me kill it, and restart it.
[13:33] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, U1 says there is nothing to upload
[13:34] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, I know but when I open the GUI, it says it is syncing
[13:35] <shane4ubuntu> ahh, now when I go to the folder that should be uploading, all the check marks and sync symbols are gone, like it isn't going to sync this folder now?????
[13:36] <shane4ubuntu> oh wait, that was because I killed it. :)
[13:36] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, lol
[13:36] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, it isn't done syncing, there are still files to upload.
[13:36] <shane4ubuntu> I need a cup of coffee!
[13:36] <shane4ubuntu> brb
[13:36] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, maybe if you can paste the log
[13:37] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, cold you paste "~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log" paste in paste.ubuntu.com?
[13:46] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, http://paste.ubuntu.com/520165/
[13:47] <shane4ubuntu> after restarting it, and re-running the u1sdtool with --waiting-content and --waiting-metadata they still returned nothing, and status was still 0
[13:48] <shane4ubuntu> seems like from the log a serverside issue, scanning the data
[13:48] <commodoor> rye, can you look into this?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/520165/
[13:51] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, it's finished local scan, but there is an error on scanning server files
[13:51] <rye> shane4ubuntu, could you please open the dir /home/shane/Documents/Church/IglesiaBautistAncla/Discipulado/ in nautilus and see whether file "Lecci\xa2n_1_Salvacion-Maestro.odt" does not contain a ? symbol (unicode substitute char)
[13:51] <pmatulis> wow, ubuntuone depends on network-manager
[13:52] <shane4ubuntu> rye that is pretty scarey that you can tell me what files to look at on my cpu. :0
[13:53] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, it's in your log :P
[13:53] <shane4ubuntu> rye, hmm, nautilus crashed, that is odd.
[13:53] <rye> shane4ubuntu, that's the information in the log, which causes the service to malfunction
[13:53] <rye> at least this is the first point to fix
[13:53] <shane4ubuntu> ok, it won't let me access that folder
[13:54] <shane4ubuntu> nautilus crashes every time
[13:54] <shane4ubuntu> I can tell you though, I work with Spanish/English files, and yes it probably has a bad character in it, at one time was a á or í or ñ  or something
[13:55] <rye> shane4ubuntu, okay, i feel that nautilus crashing may be actually also caused by ubuntuone... let me try creating such file
[13:55] <shane4ubuntu> rye, that was my thoughts, I was going to kill u1 and then try to access it.
[13:56] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, you mean the log file on the actual server?  because I didn't see that in the log I posted.
[13:56] <rye> shane4ubuntu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/520165/ line 14
[13:56] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, ooh, I see it
[13:56] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, line 50 :p
[13:57] <shane4ubuntu> right, got it
[13:58] <shane4ubuntu> ok, killing u1 did let me open the folder, and it was a problem I fixed the naming issue with that
[13:58] <rye> shane4ubuntu, yes, confirming - bad characters kill nautilus. And I am 99% sure that's ubuntuone plugin
[14:01] <shane4ubuntu> rye, right, because once I killed u1, I could go to that folder without a problem
[14:01] <shane4ubuntu> I guess I should have looked at that log a little closer. :)
[14:02] <shane4ubuntu> not a big deal, I don't have any sensitive info that is being put in the 'cloud'.
[14:02] <rye> shane4ubuntu, just a moment, need to relogin to be able to debug nautilus
[14:04] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, ok, how do I get that u1 indicator up?
[14:05] <commodoor> i made a shortcut in startup-aplications
[14:05] <commodoor> commando: ubuntuone-indicator
[14:05] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, well, that was simple enough. :)  more coffee.
[14:07] <shane4ubuntu> commodoor, you can also put it in ~/.profile at the end of the file as ubuntuone-indicator &  and that will work too, a cli trick I picked up somewhere
[14:08] <shane4ubuntu> ok, my folder that had issues, now doesn't have a checkmark, as though it isn't being syncd by u1
[14:08] <shane4ubuntu> ohh, nevermind, refresh fixed that.
[14:09] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, nice, thnx
[14:10] <commodoor> lol i have problem with dropbox, it's trying to sync for 4 days with no luck hahhaha
[14:12] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I'm starting to like this u1 now that we got through that little hurdle, u1 has been greatly improved, thanks buys
[14:12] <shane4ubuntu> guys*
[14:13] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, i also like U1 there are still small bugs
[14:13] <shane4ubuntu> yes, but small is ok, there were big bugs before
[14:16] <commodoor> shane4ubuntu, that was why i used Dropbox till U1 was mature enough\
[14:16] <duanedesign> pmatulis: it used too, but not any more
[14:17] <pmatulis> duanedesign: well i am incapable of adding a computer.  it just doesn't work on my lucid box
[14:19] <duanedesign> pmatulis: ok. Can you check Applications > Accessories > Password and Encryption Keys. Click on the passwords folder to expand it, and look for an Ubuntu One Token
[14:20] <pmatulis> duanedesign: i'm there
[14:20] <duanedesign> pmatulis: do you see a token  for Ubuntu One?
[14:20] <rye> shane4ubuntu, ok, confirming the bug with nautilus plugin
[14:20] <pmatulis> duanedesign: yes
[14:21] <rye> duanedesign, pmatulis gets AUTH_FAILED with 'Ubuntu One' token on Maverick ?
[14:21] <duanedesign> pmatulis: ok. Make sure the Ubuntu One Preferences are closed if open.
[14:21] <duanedesign> rye: Lucid. Unable to add computer
[14:22] <rye> duanedesign, ah, then not SSO
[14:22] <pmatulis> duanedesign: yes, preferences never open
[14:22] <duanedesign> pmatulis: could you right click and delete the token
[14:22] <pmatulis> duanedesign: done
[14:23] <duanedesign> pmatulis: after doing that. Go to Me Menu > Ubuntu One
[14:23] <duanedesign> pmatulis: Your browser should now open asking you to add computer
[14:23] <pmatulis> duanedesign: ok, i get a tab "Add This Computer"
[14:23] <pmatulis> duanedesign: weird
[14:24] <duanedesign> pmatulis: and do you see the 'Add this computer' button on the page that opened?
[14:24] <pmatulis> duanedesign: yes
[14:25] <duanedesign> ok, good :)
[14:25] <pmatulis> duanedesign: i already have 2 machines (at least i hope they're still there) can you confirm that for tomboy sync i need to add a specially named machine ('hostname-Tomboy')?
[14:25] <duanedesign> pmatulis: that is correct
[14:27] <pmatulis> duanedesign: ok.  now when i right click tomboy applet and view Synchronization tab it shows "Not configurable".  anything else to do?  "Auto sync in background" is ticked (10 min)
[14:29] <duanedesign> pmatulis: i am a little rusty on the Ubuntu One Preferences Panel in Lucid. can you look at the Services Tab
[14:30] <duanedesign> and see if there is a Notes
[14:30] <pmatulis> duanedesign: there is no 'Notes' service listed
[14:31] <duanedesign> pmatulis: Ok Tomboy applet > Preferences
[14:31] <pmatulis> duanedesign: right, that is described above
[14:31] <duanedesign> the 'Add-ins' tab
[14:31] <pmatulis> duanedesign: oh, wait
[14:32] <pmatulis> duanedesign: no, i don't see any 'Notes'
[14:33] <pmatulis> duanedesign: under "Synchronization" just 4 items (Local Directory...) (SSH SYnc) (WebDav Sync) (Web Sync)
[14:34] <duanedesign> pmatulis: on the Add-ins Tab of the Tomboy Preferences see the 'Web Sync Service Add-In'
[14:34] <duanedesign> click on it and see if you are given the option to 'Enable'
[14:35] <duanedesign> If it is Enabled only the 'Disabled' button will be Active
[14:35] <pmatulis> duanedesign: right, a 'Enable' button shows
[14:35] <pmatulis> duanedesign: so i do the obvious?
[14:35] <duanedesign> :)
[14:35] <duanedesign> pmatulis: yes
[14:36] <pmatulis> duanedesign: ok.  i just wait now?
[14:37] <duanedesign> pmatulis: then Syncronization tab still says 'Not Configurable'?
[14:37] <pmatulis> duanedesign: no, it looks good!
[14:38] <duanedesign> ok I thought we might need to relaunch Tomboy to make active. Good Good
[14:38] <pmatulis> duanedesign: (Service: Tomboy Web)
[14:38] <pmatulis> duanedesign: will everything break after an upgrade to 10.10?
[14:38] <duanedesign> no, you should be ok
[14:39] <pmatulis> duanedesign: nice
[14:39] <pmatulis> duanedesign: is there any log or progress info to inspect?
[14:40] <duanedesign> pmatulis: if you are interested in getting info on file sync,  i just did a sticky on the forums. let me get you the link...
[14:41] <duanedesign> pmatulis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594301
[14:41] <duanedesign> pmatulis: i am afraid i must step out. If you have any additional questions rye will be more then happy to help.
[14:41] <pmatulis> duanedesign: thanks for your support!
[14:41] <duanedesign> pmatulis: i am glad I could help
[15:36] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I'm back
[15:36] <shane4ubuntu> confirming the bug with nautilus, do I need to report that?
[15:40] <rye> shane4ubuntu, not really, i have a 100% reproduce rate, just want to get some more info from nautilus which crashes in a very interesting way
[15:41] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok, I'll leave it in your hands then, thanks for the help.
[15:41] <rye> shane4ubuntu, thanks for noticing this!
[15:42] <rye> shane4ubuntu, by the way has the sync completed?
[15:43] <shane4ubuntu> rye, yes, it seems like the only hang up was that nameing issue
[15:44] <shane4ubuntu> I have added a few more folders to it too
[15:53] <rye> shane4ubuntu, You might want to add yourself to the affected people at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/666820/
[15:53] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 666820 in ubuntuone-client "nautilus pugin crashes Nautilus if a file in Ubuntu One directory is has invalid utf-8 name (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:05] <CardinalFang> karni, the branch I pushed is at  lp:~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-files/build-setup
[16:06] <karni> CardinalFang: ok. I'll have a clean bzr branch
[16:06] <CardinalFang> I tested three different oauth-{consumer,} versions, all with same version as the other in the pair.
[16:07] <karni> CardinalFang: I see. I was quite happy to have both AU1 and (refactored) Ubuntu One Files working yesterday evening, so let me see how it runs this time :)
[16:08] <CardinalFang> At present, "oauth.signpost.exception.OAuthExpectationFailedException: Request token or token secret not set in server reply. The service provider you use is probably buggy."   I'm trying to find out what *is* returned.
[16:08] <karni> CardinalFang: I'm building and installing on device
[16:09] <karni> CardinalFang: that (possible?) bug your facing was one of my biggest nightmares during holiday. so I wish so much we don't have to get back to that ;D
[16:09]  * karni installs the apk
[16:10]  * karni got to 'Add this computer' webpage
[16:11] <karni> CardinalFang: after few seconds of 'Connecting' it fetched the files list nicely.
[16:11] <karni> CardinalFang: looks like it's 2.2-exclusive?
[16:11] <karni> CardinalFang: I'll try running that on 2.2 emulator, ok?
[16:12] <CardinalFang> I don't know about 2.2 exclusivity.  I'll try on 1.6.
[16:13]  * karni launched 2.2 emulator and tests the apk
[16:14] <mahen> rye : I'm back :)
[16:17] <karni> CardinalFang: brb, somethings wrong with my emulator
[16:18] <CardinalFang> okay, requires API level 4 at least. ...
[16:20] <mahen> rye : so, it's still processing queues after, well, maybe 6 hours. Still on the moved "Corse" directory
[16:21] <rye> >rye< mahen, could you please download http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-client/stable-1-4/download/head%3A/dump_metadata.py-20100816185547-iz0qxhnvk7i3asob-1/dump_metadata.py , run it, and pastebin the output?
[16:21] <mahen> sure
[16:23] <mahen> rye : http://paste.ubuntu.com/520224/
[16:27] <CardinalFang> karni, success on Android 1.6.
[16:27] <CardinalFang> Well, mostly.
[16:27] <karni> CardinalFang: had issues with emulator. testing 2.2 now
[16:27]  * karni logs into SSO
[16:27] <CardinalFang> "E/AndroidRuntime(  290): Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: contentView required: pkg=com.ubuntuone.android.files id=2131165276 notification=Notification(vibrate=null,sound=null,defaults=0x0)"  to com.ubuntuone.android.files.service.U1Service.showNotification(U1Service.java:517)
[16:28] <rye> facundobatista, ^ http://paste.ubuntu.com/520224/ re http://paste.ubuntu.com/520138/
[16:29] <karni> CardinalFang: run with success on Android 2.2
[16:29] <CardinalFang> karni, what's the earliest version of Android this should work on?
[16:29] <karni> CardinalFang: did that cause FC?
[16:29] <karni> CardinalFang: I think 1.6
[16:29] <karni> CardinalFang: but to be honest,
[16:29] <karni> CardinalFang: that one (with notifications) might have something to do with 1.6 version
[16:30] <karni> CardinalFang: that said, AU1 would be >2.0
[16:30] <karni> >=
[16:30] <karni> CardinalFang: I'll try with 1.6 now
[16:30] <CardinalFang> Minor, maybe:  E/dalvikvm(  300): Could not find method android.text.format.Formatter.formatShortFileSize, referenced from method com.ubuntuone.android.files.util.FileUtils.getHumanReadableSize
[16:32] <karni> CardinalFang: that would be easily fixable :)
[16:32] <karni> CardinalFang: it's just to get a short form of, say, 2784 KB as '2.9 KB' or similar. short form for mobile screens.
[16:33] <CardinalFang> karni, right.  Steal that from the ubuntuone-android-music client.  Implemented there.
[16:33] <karni> CardinalFang: :D
[16:35] <karni> CardinalFang: if it's fine, I'd have a late lunch now, and get back to that soon :)
[16:36] <CardinalFang> karni, bye
[16:36] <karni> CardinalFang: talk to you soon
[16:36] <CardinalFang> yes
[16:40] <mahen> rye : oh btw, I periodically get some debug output of the syncdaemon every couple of minutes with some "twisted" phrases
[16:47] <rye> mahen, hm, could you please share that twisted lines?
[16:47] <mahen> 2010-10-26 17:43:23,634 - twisted - INFO - pause writes for: %s 0.27447265625 etc
[16:47] <mahen> it tries to upload a tiny jpg I added meanwhile, many times
[16:48] <rye> mahen, erm, is bandwidth throttling enabled?
[16:49] <mahen> you mean in ubuntuone-prefs ? Yep, I set it to 50KB/sec but it was never taken into account
[16:50] <rye> mahen, for some reason it now is taken into account
[16:50] <mahen> hm
[16:53] <mahen> anyway it's still stuck at this : Move(share_id='b956c856-b908-4023-84f9-92bd0f901fdc', node_id='518795a9-7711-45e6-ac01-dc2eabbb976f', path='/home/mahen/Images/000 - Corse', new_name='000 - Corse', new_parent_id='c3fc5e25-a5c3-4bd7-b52b-31051e57f920', old_parent_id='c3fc5e25-a5c3-4bd7-b52b-31051e57f920')
[16:53] <mahen> now I shut up, I annoyed you too much already :)
[17:01] <rye> facundobatista, pinging you again...  ^ http://paste.ubuntu.com/520224/ re TRY_AGAIN on Move() - http://paste.ubuntu.com/520138/
[17:17] <pmatulis> duanedesign: i've waited a while and still no synchronization, when i try manually (right-click Tomboy applet > Synchronize Notes) i get "Failed to synchronize"
[17:21] <duanedesign> pmatulis: hmm. We can try and get some debug logs and see if anything jumps out as the reason
[17:22] <duanedesign> pmatulis: if you quit Tomboy and then run this command in a Terminal:   tomboy --debug > ~/tomboy_debug.log
[17:22] <duanedesign> try and do a sync. Then after it fails you shoul have some information in ~/tomboy_debug.log
[17:24] <pmatulis> duanedesign: right.  got some stuff
[17:24] <pmatulis> duanedesign: will pastebin
[17:24] <duanedesign> ok
[17:32] <duanedesign> pmatulis: in Preferences you have the address as - https://one.ubuntu.com/notes/
[17:32] <pmatulis> duanedesign: confirmed
[17:35] <duanedesign> pmatulis: can you check - https;//one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/
[17:35] <duanedesign> pmatulis: then Open gconf-editor and navigate to /apps/tomboy/sync/tomboyweb/oauth_token
[17:35] <duanedesign> Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[17:36] <duanedesign> is gconf ^^
[17:36] <pmatulis> duanedesign: ok, there
[17:37] <duanedesign> pmPlease check whether at least one of the token in parentheses on /account/machines/ tab matches the value of oauth_token key in gconf-editor.
[17:38] <duanedesign> pmatulis: do not post that value :)
[17:38] <pmatulis> duanedesign: no, none of them match
[17:39] <duanedesign> rye: pmatulis looks to have bug 575937
[17:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 575937 in tomboy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't synchronize Tomboy Notes: Server returned 404 NOT FOUND (affects: 19) (dups: 4) (heat: 109)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575937
[17:40] <duanedesign> rye: is their any info you want? Or can pmatulis go ahead and run http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/tomboy-recovery.py
[17:41] <pmatulis> duanedesign: darn!
[17:46] <duanedesign> pmatulis: ok, i guess you read the comments on the report?
[17:46] <duanedesign> pmatulis: if you want to try the script you can, or just try the 'clear' button in the Tomboy Preferences
[17:47] <duanedesign> on the Sync tab
[17:48] <pmatulis> duanedesign: clearing now...
[17:48] <pmatulis> duanedesign: "Connect to Server"?
[17:53] <duanedesign> pmatulis: do you have a lot of notes?
[17:53] <pmatulis> duanedesign: what i don't understand is that i once *did* get an initial synchronization.  don't know how.  so those *64* notes are now outdated
[17:54] <duanedesign> pmatulis: you might get some duplicates / conflicts
[17:54] <pmatulis> duanedesign: how to fix?
[17:54] <duanedesign> rye: ping
[17:55] <duanedesign> pmatulis: you now have duplicates that say in parenthesis (old)
[17:55] <duanedesign> ?
[17:56] <pmatulis> duanedesign: no
[17:57] <pmatulis> duanedesign: as far as i know, nothing has happened
[17:57] <pmatulis> duanedesign: i asked before if i should press "Connect to Server"
[17:57] <duanedesign> pmatulis: ok so you have not connected yet?
[17:57] <pmatulis> duanedesign: i did that (just now) and i get a web page that is asking to add a computer (name: None)
[17:58] <pmatulis> duanedesign: should i remove the initial hostname-Tomboy that I made and recreate it?
[18:01] <duanedesign> pmatulis: ok so you have not pressed  'lear'? in the Preferences?
[18:01] <duanedesign> ok
[18:01] <pmatulis> duanedesign: yes, as stated above
[18:01] <duanedesign> sorry :)
[18:01] <pmatulis> duanedesign: sorry, that should be: yes, i cleared
[18:02] <pmatulis> duanedesign: and confirmed in gconf that the auth token is gone
[18:02] <duanedesign> pmatulis: ok
[18:02] <duanedesign> what will happen is you will reauthorize tomboy
[18:03] <duanedesign> but it will possibly create conflicts
[18:03] <pmatulis> duanedesign: maybe clear notes and remove host-Tomboy?  fresh beginning?
[18:03] <duanedesign> that you will have to clear manually
[18:05] <duanedesign> if you have made no changes on the web interface when it creates the conflicts they will be NoteName(old)
[18:06] <duanedesign> and that will be the one you want. That might save some time in rresolving the conflict.
[18:08] <duanedesign> pmatulis: so yes you should clear
[18:08] <duanedesign> host the old hostname-tomboy
[18:09] <duanedesign> pmatulis: after pressing clear, just readd your computer like you did before
[18:10] <duanedesign> then sync and clear any duplicates it makes. Some of the files might end up NoteName and a duplicate named NoteName(old)
[18:10] <pmatulis> duanedesign: i am having problems with my screen.  all characters messed up.  can't read anything
[18:11] <duanedesign> pmatulis: sorry for the choppy response I am in a dev summit session
[18:15] <pmatulis> duanedesign: hi
[18:15] <pmatulis> duanedesign: that was nasty.  all characters on my pc turned to klingon
[18:17] <pmatulis> duanedesign: i missed you instructions
[19:14] <facundobatista> rye, sorry, I'm running all over the place, firefighting, is there a chance you could remind me of this during the week?
[19:16] <rye> facundobatista, well, since api slaves are not really responding now there is not much we can do, will monitor when everything settles and most likely will file a bug about that
[19:22] <pmatulis> duanedesign: well i removed everything i could (token, machine host-Tomboy, all local notes, all remote notes); added host-Tomboy; synced; copied *.note to empty tomboy directory; and synced again but nothing is on remote side (i got an error but the details say each note was uploaded)
[19:27] <duffydack> problem again of stuck at authenticating and then gives up.
[19:28] <rye> duffydack, the team is now preparing for the rollout to reset it completely, they spent last 2 days crashing the staging system and gathering all sort of info to make production work properly.
[19:28] <duffydack> ah
[19:40] <mahen> rye : do you want me to come back later in the week about the problem we investigated earilier today ?
[19:41] <rye> mahen, at the moment I am of little assistance since the service is being redeployed now... could you please file a bug using ubuntu-bug ubuntuone-client, attaching the log files from ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[19:41] <mahen> sure
[20:00] <mahen> rye : there's sth strange ; I tried to send the bug report twice, but it always sens me back to the first page which asks for the bug name. Is it due to the 8 MB large log file ?
[20:00] <mahen> sends
[20:01] <mahen> hmm, maybe due to the fact that the file I'm trying to send is not closed yet
[20:01] <rye> mahen, checking
[20:03] <mahen> actually I'm sending it again after killing the daemon
[20:03] <mahen> hope it'll be private :)
[20:05] <mahen> OK it was indeed the cause, worked this time : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/666942   Report is public though and my debug log contains many private stuff :)
[20:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 666942 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "UbuntuOne client stuck infinitely when processing the metadata of a moved directory (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:05] <mahen> rye : OK I just made it private
[20:12] <Robert____> hello?
[20:12] <rye> Robert____, hi!
[20:13] <Robert____> I was just wondering if u could help me?
[20:13] <Robert____> I really don't know if I'm in the right place first of all
[20:13] <Robert____> but..
[20:13] <rye> Robert____, feel free to ask your question right away
[20:14] <Robert____> how do I add my cell phone to ubuntu 10.04 so I can download my pictures?
[20:14] <beuno> Robert____, so, we haven't launched picture syncing yet
[20:14] <Robert____> no
[20:16] <Robert____> are u still there?
[20:16] <beuno> yes
[20:17] <beuno> no, what?
[20:17] <Robert____> no I haven't launched picture syncing yet... not sure what it is
[20:18] <beuno> Robert____, sorry, I meant that the Ubuntu One team has not launched the feature to sync pictured from your phone
[20:18] <beuno> so you can't do that at the moment
[20:18] <Robert____> oh I see...ok thanks anyway... but I did have a friend set it up for me before where it would work. I'll talk to him again
[20:19] <Robert____> maybe it was on windows....thanks and have a good day
[20:33] <mahen> see you, thanks again everyone :)
[20:35] <duanedesign> pmatulis: sorry i have
[20:35] <duanedesign> beeen in...
[20:35] <duanedesign> d'oh
[20:35] <duanedesign> he left :(
[20:37] <rye> duanedesign, who?
[20:38] <duanedesign> pmatulis
[20:38] <duanedesign> rye: ^ i was helping him with a note issue
[20:52] <beuno> folks
[20:52] <beuno> in about 20 minutes
[20:52] <beuno> we are going to have an unplanned outage of a bit under an hour
[20:52] <beuno> we have been having some peformance issues
[20:52] <beuno> and hope to fix them , but need a bit of downtime
[20:53] <beuno> apologies in advance
[21:05] <nunatak> Does someone know how much canonical obtains from sold albums on ubuntuone?
[21:09] <beuno> nunatak, as in actual revenue?
[21:09] <beuno> I know it's very very very little per song
[21:12] <nunatak> ok. so we have to buy many songs to support ubuntu effective. ;)
[21:13] <beuno> nunatak, every little bit helps
[21:15] <nUboon2Age> Kubuntu fans, if anyone wants to participate in bringing Kubuntu on Ubuntu One to fruition, i started a team on LP called KubuntuOne, with the membership open (at least for now):  https://launchpad.net/~kubuntuone  udslogger / apachelogger said he'd consult to help it happen.
[21:17] <nunatak> beuno: II do it allready. Since the shop started I never bought music elsewhere.
[22:33] <ubuntu4shane> ok, can I connect more than one machine at a time?
[22:33] <ubuntu4shane> ie laptop and desktop?
[22:33] <karni> ubuntu4shane: you mean, to 1 ubuntu one account :)?
[22:34] <ubuntu4shane> right
[22:34] <karni> ubuntu4shane: that's exactly what Ubuntu One is for my friend
[22:34] <karni> ubuntu4shane: so that you can have your files in sync between 2 computers
[22:34] <ubuntu4shane> my laptop refuses to connect
[22:34] <ubuntu4shane> I know my desktop is still uploading info, but seems like the laptop should be able to connect
[22:35] <karni> ubuntu4shane: did you add the account? by that I mean, do you have 2 computers visible on https://one.ubuntu.com ?
[22:35] <ubuntu4shane> ok, soooo, I need to troubleshoot the laptop then
[22:35] <karni> ubuntu4shane: indeed.
[22:35] <ubuntu4shane> I did add the computer, but now, for some reason the laptop doesn't show up there.
[22:36] <karni> ubuntu4shane: so it's not visible on the webpage, right?
[22:36] <ubuntu4shane> right
[22:36] <karni> ubuntu4shane: only your desktop pc
[22:36] <ubuntu4shane> right
[22:36] <karni> ok ubuntu4shane, lets fix that
[22:36] <karni> on your laptop (the troublesome one)
[22:36] <ubuntu4shane> right
[22:36] <karni> open Applications -> Accesories -> PAsswords and encryption keys
[22:37] <ubuntu4shane> nope, doesn't exsist, the Passwords and encryption keys
[22:37] <karni> ok
[22:37] <karni> ubuntu4shane: Alt+F2
[22:37] <karni> seahorse <Enter>
[22:38] <ubuntu4shane> ahh, system -> preferences -> passwords does exsist.
[22:38] <karni> click the '+' symbol and find Ubuntu One token line. is it there?
[22:38] <ubuntu4shane> yep, got the ubuntuone
[22:38] <karni> ubuntu4shane: remove it
[22:38] <ubuntu4shane> ok, done
[22:39] <ubuntu4shane> should I have stopped ubuntuone first?
[22:39] <karni> paste sthat in terminal u1sdtool -d; sleep 2; u1sdtool -c
[22:39] <karni> *that
[22:39] <karni> ubuntu4shane: without the token, Ubuntu One won't work. we did that on purpose
[22:39] <karni> so now: u1sdtool -d; sleep 2; u1sdtool -c
[22:39] <ubuntu4shane> ahh, ok, got it,
[22:40] <karni> ubuntu4shane: did your browser show up after that command?
[22:40] <ubuntu4shane> karni, no, I"m on 10.10 so the new dialogue to put the password did, thanks!!!
[22:41] <karni> ubuntu4shane: right ;)
[22:41] <duanedesign> hello karni
[22:41] <karni> duanedesign: hi there :)
[22:41] <ubuntu4shane> thanks karni
[22:41] <karni> ubuntu4shane: you are welcome
[22:42] <karni> duanedesign: finally found some time to get to Android development. I've been busy with tons of things :/
[22:42] <duanedesign> karni: great
[22:45] <karni> aquarius: we found a bug that broke AU1 (or should I say, U1F as in Ubuntu One Files ;)) on Android 1.6. CardinalFang also put up a nice script to make it easy to download dependencies and he's got ant build.xml ready.
[22:45] <ubuntu4shane> ok, after it finishes, the ubuntuone-preferences comes up, and I click on the devices tab, and hit connect and it doesn't
[22:46] <karni> ubuntu4shane: $ u1sdtool -s (paste output here)
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane> u1sdtool -s
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane> State: LOCAL_RESCAN
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane>     connection: With User With Network
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane>     description: doing local rescan
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane>     is_connected: False
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane>     is_error: False
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane>     is_online: False
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane>     queues: WORKING_ON_METADATA
[22:46] <karni> ubuntu4shane: it's all fine :) it's working locally now
[22:46] <karni> ubuntu4shane: I know it could already connect, but it's busy collecting data about your files locally
[22:47] <ubuntu4shane> ok, roughly how long should I wait for that?  seems like last time it got stuck there.
[22:47] <karni> ubuntu4shane: when it's done with local rescan, hopefully it'll hop on-line
[22:47] <ubuntu4shane> ok, I will give it a few minutes, I have about 500mb files, I wouldn't think it would take too long
[22:48] <karni> ubuntu4shane: this can give you some picture: u1sdtool --waiting-metadata
[22:48] <karni> ubuntu4shane: this is as far as my competence goes about U1 client on PC. if you have further questions, you might wanna ask rye or duanedesign
[22:48] <ubuntu4shane> that one gives me CreateUDF
[22:48] <karni> about *troubleshooting U1 Client
[22:49] <karni> ubuntu4shane: so it's scanning a folder that you selected to "Synchronize with Ubuntu One". is that perhaps a folder rich in files :)?
[22:49] <ubuntu4shane> right, rye helped me get my main box this AM connected correctly, bad file name caused problems.
[22:49] <duanedesign> ubuntu4shane: their is a certain amount of overhead (local rescan) that must be done everytime you start U1
[22:49] <karni> ubuntu4shane: especially if it's the first time.
[22:49]  * karni or so I guess! ^_^
[22:50] <karni> ok now.. I'm back to reading!
[22:50] <ubuntu4shane> duanedesign, karni right, but there don't seem to be any hefty processes going on.
[22:50] <ubuntu4shane> ok, thanks karni
[22:50] <duanedesign> once it starts syncing it should go fairly fast. The number of files can affect the time it takes more so then the size
[22:50] <karni> ubuntu4shane: np pal
[22:50] <ubuntu4shane> duanedesign, ahh, ok, yes, they are smaller documents, I will give it a bit. thanks
[22:50] <duanedesign> ubuntu4shane: is it the same (u1sdtool -s)
[22:51] <ubuntu4shane> duanedesign, yep, still scanning local data
[22:52] <ubuntu4shane> patience is a virtue that perhaps I'm still acquiring. :)
[22:59] <duanedesign> ubuntu4shane: my batery is dying. i am headed back to my hotel room. i will check back in and see how you are getting allong
[23:00] <ubuntu4shane> duanedesign, ok, no prob thanks
[23:14] <ubuntu4shane> in the log I keep getting this:  2010-10-26 17:12:25,165 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: <State: 'LOCAL_RESCAN'  (queues WORKING_ON_METADATA  connection 'With User With Network')>; queues: metadata: 1; content: 0; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=241 miss=616) ---  hit 241 and miss 616 don't ever change
[23:14] <ubuntu4shane> they have been that a lot.
[23:28] <ubuntu4shane> ok, how do I remove the ubuntone data on this local machine, and then restart it, I think it is hung up.
[23:34] <ubuntu4shane> ok, purged my .local/share/ubuntuone folder (well moved it as a backup incase things went bad) and now all is working correctly.
[23:52] <karni> ubuntu4shane: good for you! :)
[23:53] <ubuntu4shane> karni, that is pulling from the old u1 experience I had. :)  remove all data and start over. :)  it is syncing now.
[23:53] <karni> ubuntu4shane: great :)
[23:53] <ubuntu4shane> I love the u1sdtool though, it is very helpful, and I got the u1-indicator.


[01:14] <Unit193> dzho: Looks like OLF = Oktober 2nd and 3rd at least.
[03:02] <thafreak> that was the only date i saw...
[03:03] <thafreak> do you know if that is the firm date, or not because they didn't have contracts just yet?
[03:23] <Unit193> That's not firm.
[15:36] <Darkwing> wily werewolf?
[15:39] <Unit193> Yep.
[15:43] <Darkwing> Warty Warthog 2: Wart Harder would have been awesome
[15:43] <Unit193> 'warty' would have messed up infra, so it seems.
[15:47] <Darkwing> Heh
[15:48] <Unit193> Could be fun though. :D
[16:33] <cyberanger> Same kind of reason there won't be a Windows 9


 :L
[16:02]  * JoshStrobl gains more Internet Points
[16:03] <oombap> so this will replace nautilus?
[16:03] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-filemanager-planning
[16:03] <akiva-yellow-roo> oombap, plausibly!
[16:03] <oombap> nice!
[16:03] <oombap> can't wait
[16:04] <oombap> it should be better than nautilus
[16:04] <CarlosMazieri> there is a long path to replace nautilus
[16:04] <ajalkane> but perhaps if oombap and other chaps join in the path will be travelled quicker ;)
[16:05] <DS-McGuire> Replacing Nautilus is probably one of the hardest tasks.
[16:05] <oombap> i'm a taxi driver :D i don't know how can i help :D
[16:05] <oombap> free rides in berlin?
[16:05] <ajalkane> haha
[16:06] <oombap> will you guys drop the gradients in file manager?
[16:06] <oombap> a nice solide white would be nice
[16:07] <akiva-yellow-roo> So that is what templates are for!
[16:07] <ajalkane> I think they're currently dropped at least until toolkit has related bugs fixed
[16:07] <akiva-yellow-roo> geepers
[16:07] <DS-McGuire> I always thought that was an odd feature...
[16:08] <popey> CarlosMazieri: ajalkane are you watching/listening?
[16:09] <ajalkane> nope, just ircing
[16:09] <popey> because I'm saying things and I don't want to commit you to things :D
[16:09] <popey> so the question is about the tasks in the etherpad
[16:09] <CarlosMazieri> No, I am at work.
[16:09] <popey> we are looking at the tasks and figuring out what the priorities should be on them.
[16:10] <phoenixc1der> popey, where can we watch and listen?  I'm having trouble getting the link.
[16:10] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/embed/2UIjnVv8Cvs
[16:10] <popey> let me know if that doesn't work
[16:10] <JoshStrobl> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22347/file-manager-planning/ or https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:10] <ajalkane> I'm okay with you people assigning priorities. That's just proper.
[16:11] <phoenixc1der> Thank you.  This looks right.
[16:11] <ajalkane> I'll try joining to watch
[16:12] <DS-McGuire> popey, Wasn't there a guy to work on icons?
[16:14] <popey> we have a guy working on icons, yes.
[16:14] <popey> but I'm keen on community people getting involved there.
[16:15] <akiva-yellow-roo> arto o/
[16:16] <DS-McGuire> popey, Is there a tool for creating icons? When Nokia still made the Nokia N9 they had an icon maker that helped make icons and their shapes.
[16:16] <popey> not that I'm aware of
[16:16] <Guest95291> QUESTION: do you know if the filemanager would be the default file picking app for other application?
[16:17] <DS-McGuire> That's a shame.
[16:17] <ajalkane> That was actually third party app, but Ubuntu touch doesn't seem to have any specific shape for icons like N9 had so perhaps a helper app isn't needed?
[16:17] <ajalkane> Guest95291: Filemanager can be used to pick files from other applications. That's user's choice.
[16:17] <Guest95291> ok ok
[16:21] <avoine> QUESTION: are you planning to use user directories with localization? (http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/)
[16:23] <ajalkane> avoine: there is no bug report for that, so there's no current plans. You could file a bug about it?
[16:23] <avoine> sure
[16:24] <DS-McGuire> Rosetta just landed guys!!
[16:24] <popey> yay
[16:24] <DS-McGuire> moving at 34,000mph!
[16:24] <ajalkane> Qt provides the Places so the localization might be ok again - listening from the hangouts
[16:25] <popey> CarlosMazieri: is samba / nfs support still on your radar, and in progress
[16:25] <oombap> meter per hour?
[16:25] <CarlosMazieri> Yes, I intend to keep working on it, so far no news
[16:26] <popey> ok
[16:26] <avoine> ajalkane: about the filemanager as a file picker, is it set to be use for any file format/type?
[16:27] <avoine> file preview would be cool
[16:27] <ajalkane> avoine: all that are supported by Content-Hub. Bassically a fixed set
[16:27] <ajalkane> yes, that would be cool
[16:28] <DS-McGuire> How does an iPad do this?
[16:30] <ajalkane> it's a pain in iPad
[16:31] <DS-McGuire> ajalkane, Oh, I was hoping it was easy or something and we could work similar to that.
[16:33] <ajalkane> I heard rumors that Content-Hub will get support for mime types somewhere down the line, so that will make it more powerful
[16:34] <avoine> that's great news
[16:34] <akiva-yellow-roo> I feel like a newb; that is a mime type?
[16:35] <akiva-yellow-roo> o/
[16:35] <ajalkane> a mime type is a string that defines what type a file is
[16:35] <ajalkane> for example something like application/text to recognize text files
[16:35] <DS-McGuire> WOO!
[16:38] <ajalkane> you can use Places bottom pull-up to copy current path
[16:40] <seb128> hey there, just reading the etherpad notes, is "being able to open files" something that has been discussed?
[16:41] <ajalkane> seb128: no because I don't think opening of files is issue in the trunk version?
[16:41] <seb128> ajalkane, dunno, I'm using touch rtm
[16:41] <ajalkane> yeah the support was fixed some weeks ago so RTM might not have it yet
[16:42] <seb128> k
[16:44] <popey> seb128: new version of file manager _just_ published in the store. ☻
[16:44] <seb128> popey, nice!
[16:44] <ajalkane> woo!
[16:45] <DS-McGuire> I have it!
[16:45]  * seb128 installs
[16:45] <DS-McGuire> Trying it now.
[16:46] <seb128> k, it's working
[16:46] <seb128> the content hub screen is weird though
[16:46] <seb128> white background and no titles
[16:46] <seb128> or it's white on white and they can't be read
[16:46] <seb128> you can see the icons though
[16:46] <ajalkane> that kind of live search requires platform support (tracker or some other file indexing database)
[16:47] <DS-McGuire> seb128, Argee, the white is a bit odd and there are no names.
[16:47] <popey> seb128: i think there's a bug on that which akiva-yellow-roo filed
[16:48] <ajalkane> yeah it's, I think, SDK bug... so waiting for resolution for that. But opening files work even if it looks a bit silly ;)
[16:48] <DS-McGuire> Show hidden files?
[16:48] <CarlosMazieri> yes
[16:48] <ajalkane> DS-McGuire: is that gone?
[16:48] <akiva-yellow-roo> show hidden is already there
[16:48] <JoshStrobl> akiva-yellow-roo, in settings?
[16:48] <ajalkane> Should be in view settings
[16:48] <JoshStrobl> cool
[16:49] <akiva-yellow-roo> JoshStrobl, mmmmm been awhile since I branched it
[16:49] <DS-McGuire> ajalkane, It hasn't gone, that is something maybe I would put under show hidden files.
[16:49] <JoshStrobl> should still make sure we have a CTRL+H support in File Manager for it
[16:49] <popey> yeah, add to the list of keyboard shortcuts ☻
[16:49] <ajalkane> JoshStrobl: yeah... can you add that to the etherpad?
[16:49] <popey> ya
[16:49] <popey> its there
[16:49] <ajalkane> oh added already :)
[16:49] <Letozaf_> QUESTION: at what time do you guys meet on Tuesdays
[16:49] <Letozaf_> ?
[16:50] <Letozaf_> on IRC
[16:50] <DS-McGuire> Is the file manager going to be a default app? Or will it be like the terminal where you will have to install it?
[16:50] <popey> seb128: are there any killer features of nautilus we're missing in the etherpad?
[16:50] <DS-McGuire> Multi tab?
[16:50] <JoshStrobl> DS-McGuire, multiple tabs is on the list
[16:51] <ajalkane> akiva-yellow-roo: opening files is hard-coded in FileManager
[16:51] <DS-McGuire> JoshStrobl, Sweet :)
[16:51] <ajalkane> So there's bunch of file extensions that map to Content-Hub types
[16:51] <seb128> popey, I'm looking
[16:51] <popey> thanks
[16:52] <ajalkane> Basically if you have several PDF viewing applications, then you will get list of them when you click a .pdf file
[16:52] <seb128> popey, type completion would be nice
[16:53] <popey> type completion?
[16:53] <seb128> type ahead
[16:53] <popey> oh
[16:53] <seb128> being able to type letters on keyboard and have icons matching
[16:53] <popey> yeah, agreed
[16:54] <popey> thats basically search?
[16:54] <popey> the "type in the window" thing nautilus does?
[16:54] <seb128> yes
[16:54] <seb128> search/filtering is a bit different
[16:54] <seb128> type ahead is being about to do
[16:54] <popey> yay, on the list
[16:54] <seb128>  /us <enter> sh <enter> nau <enter>
[16:54] <seb128> to go to /usr/share/nautilus
[16:55] <popey> ah in the CTRL+L field?
[16:55] <seb128> no
[16:55] <popey> or in the main window?
[16:55] <seb128> just type
[16:55] <seb128> in the main window
[16:55] <popey> right, yes. we should.
[16:55] <ajalkane> so that's a desktop feature
[16:55] <seb128> yes
[16:55] <ajalkane> yep definitely needed on desktop
[16:56] <ajalkane> no advanced preferences currently
[16:56] <ajalkane> there was plans to have "Open Terminal" in there
[16:56] <DS-McGuire> Yes.
[16:56] <ajalkane> but that wasn't possible
[16:57] <CarlosMazieri> terminal needs to accept  another directory than 'home' to start from
[16:57] <popey> yes, thats going to happen in terminal
[16:57] <popey> we're working on that soon.
[16:57] <DS-McGuire> Mark is doing his Q&A next: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22395/mark-shuttleworth-qa/
[16:57] <ajalkane> cool, I'm gonna watch some mark
[16:58] <popey> thanks guys!
[16:58] <akiva-yellow-roo> cool
[16:58] <JoshStrobl> same
[16:58] <ajalkane> thank you guys, very interesting discussion
[16:58] <akiva-yellow-roo> chewbakka in the house
[16:58] <DS-McGuire> Thanks guys!!
[16:58] <CarlosMazieri> Thank you all.
[16:58] <avoine> indeed very interesting
[16:58] <avoine> thanks!
[16:59] <sialamucha> thanks guys!
[16:59] <akiva-yellow-roo> thanks
[16:59] <akiva-yellow-roo> was fun
[16:59] <popey> \o/
[17:55] <willcooke> This may or may not be the hangout on air link:
[17:56] <willcooke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_MCJPuCceE
[17:58] <willcooke> hey aquarius
[18:00] <willcooke> We're waiting for a couple of presenters to arrive, will get started soon...
[18:02] <aquarius> ohai willcooke
[18:02] <willcooke> aquarius, you get the link?
[18:02] <aquarius> link?
[18:02] <aquarius> you want me *in* the session? Sure
[18:03] <aquarius> I have to bail a tiny bit early
[18:03] <willcooke> thats fine
[18:03] <willcooke> not long now all
[18:04] <willcooke> ok
[18:05] <didrocks> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input
[18:06]  * mhall119 was in the wrong room
[18:09] <akiva-is-yellow> yeah!
[18:09] <akiva-is-yellow> good goal
[18:13] <didrocks> https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center
[18:17] <akiva-is-yellow> I have barely heard of this; and it wasn't clear to me what this was at the beginning.
[18:17] <CheeseBurg> same
[18:18] <CheeseBurg> My question is how up to date will software downloaded through this will be
[18:18] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, as up to date as exists on the "source"
[18:18] <willcooke> that's one of the main goals
[18:18] <CheeseBurg> Will it auto update or is it connected to releases like software downloaded through the Ubuntu sotre
[18:19] <willcooke> keep the IDEs etc up-to-date without being tied to a new release of Ubuntu
[18:19] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: Thanks, good to know
[18:19] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, it pulls it down from the main provider, not the software centre
[18:20] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: Quick question, is the long term goal for creators of this software to add their stuff OR is there a team who does this?
[18:21] <willcooke> long term, it would be great if upstream would provide integrations for us (it's very easy)
[18:21] <willcooke> but short term, we expect to do the work
[18:21] <akiva-is-yellow> Occassionally I get questions as to what is the best python ide; I use geany...
[18:21] <mhall119> +1 geany, it's not so much an IDE, but it's a great programming editor
[18:21] <akiva-is-yellow> but I do not know if it is best. Is this something this could tackle?
[18:21] <akiva-is-yellow> true
[18:22] <akiva-is-yellow> the ubuntu sdk has very mild python support; is this planned to be expanded?
[18:22] <CheeseBurg> You guys should be pimping this more. This will really help out development
[18:22] <mhall119> akiva-is-yellow: it depends on upstream QtCreator, but I don't think so
[18:23] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, please help with the pimping :)
[18:23] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, would be nice to have an icon
[18:23] <akiva-is-yellow> i'll place it on r/ubuntuappdev
[18:24] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: If you have oracle java then I have people who will love this
[18:24] <akiva-is-yellow> is there an ide that can build python projects?
[18:24] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, I've added it to the list
[18:24] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: I have only seen one python ide and it is from the intellij guys
[18:25] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, link? I'd like to test it
[18:25] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: I'm sold then.
[18:25] <willcooke> :)
[18:27] <akiva-is-yellow> lol!
[18:27] <jrwren> YES! Love this.
[18:28] <akiva-is-yellow> Fun way to bork your sdk
[18:28] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/
[18:28] <akiva-is-yellow> run "sudo ubuntu-sdk"
[18:28] <CheeseBurg> havent used it tho
[18:28] <akiva-is-yellow> lol
[18:30] <jrwren> error: could not create '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PKGNAME': Permission denied
[18:30] <didrocks> jrwren: yeah, just tried it as well
[18:30] <willcooke> symlinks FTW
[18:30] <akiva-is-yellow> ha ha
[18:31] <akiva-is-yellow> oh my I am so glad I came to this meeting
[18:31] <jrwren> we should get more python libs packaged into universe
[18:33] <akiva-is-yellow> Quote: "At the moment we do "Punch people in the face" out of the box".
[18:33] <jrwren> in pips defense, it doesn't install to system, it installs to /usr/local/
[18:36] <didrocks> jrwren: yeah, but it's still available at a system level
[18:37] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, ah gross... JDK required...
[18:37] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: Yea all their stuff it is
[18:38] <CheeseBurg> its hard to find a ide that isnt tho
[18:38] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, Qtcreator maybe should then just be extended
[18:39] <akiva-is-yellow> I mean pyqt is a big thing
[18:40] <CheeseBurg> I agree but it probably won't be done
[18:40] <CheeseBurg> They are busy enough working on qt itself
[18:40] <CheeseBurg> and Canonical is focusing more on Go
[18:41] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, yah busy is the key word here
[18:41] <akiva-is-yellow> and Go is more interesting.
[18:42] <akiva-is-yellow> this or Geany could be extended to do project files.
[18:42] <akiva-is-yellow> that shouldnt be too difficult.
[18:42] <CheeseBurg> But geany isnt an ide, it is an text editor
[18:42] <CheeseBurg> making an editor into an ide is super complex
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> it is why it hasnt been done yet
[18:43] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, it already supports autocomplete, syntax highlighting, indenting
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> ^true
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> but the rest is a lot more complex
[18:43] <akiva-is-yellow> all it would need imo, is need a sidebar that can keep track of files in a project.
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> that is why most new ides are based on eclipse
[18:44] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: isnt that jsut an addon?
[18:44] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, I don't know; if it exists; I'd take it.
[18:44] <akiva-is-yellow> I mean; pardon my ignorance; but what else does a python ide need?
[18:45] <didrocks> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input
[18:46] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: wrong person to ask. but I was once looking for a python ide too. I just learned to love sublime text instead
[18:46] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, $
[18:46] <akiva-is-yellow> I hear sublime is cool though
[18:46] <akiva-is-yellow> I'd like to try it some time
[18:47] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: You can use it for free for a while
[18:47] <CheeseBurg> try it for a week or so
[18:47] <CheeseBurg> its like notepad++ but much better
[18:47] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, does it do python projects?
[18:48]  * akiva-is-yellow is very meh on notepad++
[18:48] <CheeseBurg> its just for write code so it does just about everything
[18:48] <CheeseBurg> does not compile code at all
[18:48] <CheeseBurg> but has syntax highlighting and such
[18:49] <akiva-is-yellow> ha ha
[18:49] <akiva-is-yellow> lol
[18:49] <willcooke> questions from IRC anyone?
[18:49] <willcooke> we're getting towards wrap up
[18:49] <akiva-is-yellow> QUESTION: Icon for this app?
[18:50] <akiva-is-yellow> QUESTION: Will all programming languages be supported?
[18:51] <akiva-is-yellow> QUESTION: Developer tools beyond the IDEs? For example; bundling shutter for screenshotting? Bazaar explorer?
[18:52] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will Unity 8 have this as well?
[18:53] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, eventually, yes
[18:53] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: OK good
[18:54] <didrocks> thanks everyone!
[18:54] <akiva-is-yellow> I'm willing to get involved but I am still at a loss as to exactly what the roadmap looks like
[18:54] <akiva-is-yellow> Can I put the t-shirt competition on ubuntuappdev irc?
[18:54] <akiva-is-yellow> or are you guys being facetious?
[18:55] <akiva-is-yellow> not irc, reddit*


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[00:04] <maurice_> for a Dell 5130 Venue Pro
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