[08:08] <chibifs> Why in the world did I throw out my floppy? :/ I need to reinstall SmartBootManager on this laptop :/
[08:08] <chibifs> Can't CD boot without it ;_;
[08:09] <ethics> shadowjack, once you understand what is happening inside the system through those tests you may find a solution easier to identify.
[08:09] <nickrud> chibifs, so, you're a bridge burner ;\
[08:09] <Forty|> damnit i forgot the line
[08:09] <Forty|> whats the command to unmute alsa?
[08:09] <ethics> whats a floppy drive...looks at his boxes
[08:09] <ethics> forty alsamixer
[08:09] <ethics> forty m unmutes in that
[08:09] <Seveas> amixer --toggle "Main"
[08:09] <Seveas> (oslt)
[08:10] <Computer__Guru> or just use kmix :D
[08:10] <Seveas> amixer --toggle "Master"
[08:10] <Computer__Guru> oh thats right, you're all gnome people ;)
[08:10] <chibifs> nickrud - I'm rebuilding my computer into a monitor shell and replacing the display with an LCD, no room for floppies anymore :P
[08:10] <Seveas> gnome-volume-control :)
[08:10] <crimsun> Forty|: you also should push via82xx to something other than primary: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[08:10] <ethics> nickrud, i have a drive for 8" at work....its not able to be plugged into anythin since 1986
[08:10] <Seveas> but he asked for a command :)
[08:10] <chibifs> I want all of my computers to be portable :D
[08:10] <againstme24> what is a good app for packet sniffing?
[08:11] <GNULinuxer> againstme24: snort
[08:11] <ethics> againstme24, ethereal
[08:11] <concept10> Ethereal?
[08:11] <againstme24> is that for wired or wireless or both?
[08:11] <Seveas> againstme24, airsnort :)
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> chibifs: lowes has universably mountable handles starting at $4.99 each
[08:11] <chibifs> againstme24 - You know that packet sniffing is illegal in the US, right? :O
[08:11] <ethics> ether ape if you just want a pretty idea of whos moving traffic
[08:11] <nickrud> ethics, yeah, I think that's about the last time I read those things
[08:11] <againstme24> im doing it on my network
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> err universally
[08:12] <chibifs> Computer__Guru - I'm not lugging around a full ATX tower wherever I go.
[08:12] <crimsun> chibifs: please don't spread FUD. It's not illegal.
[08:12] <againstme24> which one is good for a wired netowrk?
[08:12] <hondje> since when is packet sniffing illegal?
[08:12] <ethics> nickrud, good for evening up shelves and desks i find....
[08:12] <chibifs> crimsun - That was a drug joke :P
[08:12] <crimsun> heh
[08:12] <Computer__Guru> chibifs: go get an old compaq suitcase computer, gut it, install a 9" lcd, and put your pc int here :D get creative with a dremel and you could mount a nice trackball ont he side :D:D
[08:12] <nickrud> ethics, maybe we should ask pournelle if he still has something that reads them :)
[08:12] <againstme24> is snort for a wired network?
[08:12] <Forty|> hmmm
[08:12] <ethics> actually packet sniffing other peoples traffic is technically illegal in some places...
[08:13] <Forty|> ok, so now alsamixer shows the soundcard
[08:13] <Forty|> but no sound
[08:13] <Madpilot> !lamp
[08:13] <ubotu> rumour has it, lamp is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[08:13] <ethics> nickrud, but half my office leans without them....i cant put them to their real use hehee
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> it's illegal in the US, unless the sniffer and sniffee are both ont he same lan
[08:13] <chibifs> Computer__Guru - A suitcase was my first idea, but I want to keep the powersupply /inside/ of the device.
[08:13] <Forty|> brb
[08:13] <nickrud> ethics, paperbacks from goodwill are good for that
[08:14] <ethics> nickrud, thats like the watchtower or some bible bashing book?
[08:14] <ethics> nickrud im aussie i dont think we have them hehe
[08:14] <crimsun> Forty|: paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin
[08:14] <nickrud> ethics, heh
[08:14] <Computer__Guru> chibifs: hrmmm.. go with nano-itx motherboards and Via C7M processors.. they consume less than 7watts @ 2Ghz, could easily run a system off a battery that way
[08:15] <chibifs> Computer__Guru - New hardware isn't an option.
[08:15] <nickrud> oooh, compaq luggables, I still see them in the surplus places
[08:15] <Computer__Guru> yeah iom gonna get one and do exactly what i just told chibifs to do :D
[08:15] <Madpilot> somebody locally built a luggable in one of those metal briefcases.
[08:15] <Madpilot> can't remember which distro he runs on it. not ubuntu, anyway
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: that was basically my idea for the nano-itx system
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> aluminum briefcase
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> would be badass
[08:16] <Raskall> I am published. The used my letter in the latest Linux Format (LXF69)
[08:16] <ethics> i made an xbox portable out of a rack case for audo racks....stage music equipment
[08:16] <Madpilot> I think his is m-atx. maybe even regular atx
[08:16] <Raskall> And I am referring to ubuntu in the letter too.
[08:16] <Madpilot> really luggable, not portable!
[08:17] <umar_> hey any Linux Database Programmer here?
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> ethics: I have a 7-xbox farm all running cromwell/gentooX performing a distributed networking experiment :D
[08:17] <ethics> well it has a ups in it that runs the xbox for 4 hours 8)
[08:17] <x55> has anyone had any troubles getting vlc  via apt-get?
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> xboxen make AWESOME PC's if you know how to unsolder a ram chip and install a bigger one
[08:17] <nickrud> gamers ;P
[08:17] <ethics> Computer__Guru, hehe i have xboxen for my mythtv frontends at home 8)
[08:17] <umar_> i have developed a database in SQL server in windows with from designed in Visual Basic
[08:17] <ethics> best idea i had last year
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> right on
[08:18] <umar_> can i migrate to linux
[08:18] <rob^> ethics, what can you do with mythtv on an xbox?
[08:18] <ethics> Computer__Guru, waiting for the new one so i can emulate on linux
[08:18] <artic_fox> Mono.net on AMD64?
[08:18] <artic_fox> ....
[08:18] <artic_fox> Any way to get started
[08:18] <umar_> how can i host that database in linux
[08:18] <ethics> rob^ all the frontend stuff....watch tv recorded proggys my mp3s  @)k of them and stuff...
[08:18] <Computer__Guru> ethics: I used the DreamX as a guideline, got a 1.5ghz tulatin working, ripped out the two 32mb memory chips, and soldered in 4 128mb chips
[08:18] <rob^> ethics, cool might check it out
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> that's my main xbox, the one i play games with :D
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> but you should see gentooX run on it WHEEEEEEEEEEE
[08:19] <ethics> Computer__Guru, i just left mine as celes hehe they dont do much else hehe
[08:19] <ethics> dreamx for my gaming one tho 8)
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> dude gentoo SCREAMS on that box
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> i didnt do dreamx, i just fabricated the board they use from radio shack parts :D
[08:20] <ethics> xebian on mine...i hate compiling
[08:20] <Computer__Guru> compiling is no problem when you actually have some ram
[08:20] <aatim> hgjfjhg
[08:20] <aatim> ghj
[08:20] <aatim> gh
[08:20] <aatim> jg
[08:20] <aatim> hj
[08:20] <ethics> hehe i just cant stand watching a box for hours then having run at the same speed as my mate with apt files hehe
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> dude nevermind the proc upgrade, yank those two 32mb chips out, and install 4x64 or 4x128
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> its not hard
[08:21] <nickrud> ethics, a man after my one heart :)  This evening was the first time I was forced to compile something in over a year
[08:21] <ethics> aatim....try to use those squiggly thing to form words
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> just make sure its the same parity
[08:21] <ethics> aatim its like apattern of them makes sense to everyone else if its the right pattern
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> xebian will rock and roll on it
[08:21] <Forty|> k back
[08:22] <ethics> Computer__Guru, ill look into it...
[08:22] <nickrud> Computer__Guru, xebian?
[08:22] <Computer__Guru> vmware workstation 5 is coming in at 40k/s.. cant bitch about that
[08:22] <goldfish> :)
[08:22] <ethics> Computer__Guru, im thinking the new 360 wil be a bad thing for microsoft.....they are dagerously close to losing control
[08:22] <Computer__Guru> ethics: or at the very least take an old or broken xbox pull the 2x32 out of it and put them iny our production box
[08:22] <Forty|> ethics, you kidding? power on that sucker is awesome
[08:23] <Forty|> crimsun, you there still?
[08:23] <Computer__Guru> nickrud: xebian == debian for the xbox
[08:23] <crimsun> Forty|: ?
[08:23] <Forty|> ps3, although it has the cel processor
[08:23] <Computer__Guru> the only thing that chokes the xbox is the lack of ram
[08:23] <Computer__Guru> but, imo, 128 is still too little.. ymmv
[08:23] <Forty|> crimsun, hey sorry, so i got everythign setup and it's actually running music in rhythmbox, however, no sound is coming
[08:23] <nickrud> Computer__Guru, yeah, I'm slowly waiting for the site to load :)
[08:23] <ethics> forty yeah but its going to be cracked and we get both games for linux and xbox emulation for any other boxes if we get enough time..
[08:23] <crimsun> Forty|: paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin
[08:24] <Computer__Guru> ethics: i hear xebian w/fluxbox rocks and rolls on a stock xbox
[08:24] <ethics> Forty|, they are emulating to get backward comaptability which means we have a working emulator to copy
[08:24] <ethics> Computer__Guru, yeah i stopped looking after i set up myth...ill find a new hobby on xbox 360 i think
[08:25] <nickrud> oh, my god, you modders are intense :)
[08:25] <Forty|> crimsun, i think it shows master at 0, so i dont think it's setting right when i edit with alsamixer
[08:25] <Computer__Guru> ethics: the xbox community isnt very enthusiastic about the 360... it looks like its gonna be a nightmare
[08:25] <Forty|> Computer__Guru, ps3 doesn't look much better
[08:25] <ethics> hehe well its the geek in us....although i play sports too hehe and musician hehe
[08:25] <Computer__Guru> sure doesnt
[08:25] <anacron_> xbox 360 looks terrible ;D
[08:25] <Forty|> Computer__Guru, the boomerang controllers are dumb
[08:25] <qt2> err... where exactly do i change font colors in ubuntu?
[08:25] <Forty|> i like the xbo360's online layout
[08:25] <ethics> Computer__Guru, yeah but the mack guys on xbox scene are excited 8)
[08:26] <Forty|> crimsun, its up btw
[08:26] <anacron_> only goodlooking new console is that nintendo's one
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> theyre supposed to be the most comfortable controller ever
[08:26] <Madpilot> nickrud: modders are all insane!
[08:26] <crimsun> Forty|: no, you need to turn up Master, unmute PCM, and turn up PCM
[08:26] <goldfish> anacron_: yeah it looks nice.
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> ethics: excited to see it, but wary of what its gonna take to crack it
[08:26] <Madpilot> nickrud: and I should know, my windowed PC tower is full of red LEDs, just because I could...
[08:26] <ethics> Computer__Guru, if we can get emulation working we can get xbox games on linux.....better than a console for alot of them....notice all the mod uploaders are linux...
[08:26] <anacron_> Madpilot: i am? i don't think so *giggles*
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> ethics: I was one of the first xbox crackers.. i started hacking boxen before there was even a completed bios :D 11/01
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> yeah i know
[08:27] <nickrud> I laid my soldering iron down years ago.  Maybe I'll take it up again. Not.
[08:27] <ethics> Computer__Guru, i started at 1.2 boxes helping out mates etc  never bothered about cashing in hehe
[08:27] <anacron_> if i'll get one of those consoles someday, i probably just install snes emulator there and play those old good games :DDDD
[08:27] <Computer__Guru> i don't do tsop mods, and i rarely use a chip that requires a drop of solder
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> ethics: my first box was/is (still have it) a 1.0 w/matrix
[08:28] <ethics> nickrud its amazing what you can do with a paperclip a soldering iron and a good idea....  ive fixed 42 inch monitors with that hehehe   i have one still hehe
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> i want a fuckin 42" monitor
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> wow
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> sell me one
[08:28] <Madpilot> modding can be a useful art. my box runs cooler and has front ports for audio & USB, none of which it came with...
[08:28] <Forty|> k thanks so much
[08:28] <Forty|> do i need to do something to save everything so this will dot his everytime?
[08:29] <ethics> Computer__Guru, 1.2 dies a powersupply death  im on 1.3 with x2 and something else evox maybee i flashed around
[08:29] <Forty|> i of course noticed that i can't do rc-update add alsa default
[08:29] <ethics> Computer__Guru, others are all tsops
[08:29] <anacron_> Madpilot: usually modding is about making product better, not because of the looks :D
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> yeah my monster box has 4xUSB, 1xAC3-Audio, a 2 1/2" x 1" LCD, and purple LED's :D
[08:30] <ethics> anacron_, more colours , spraypaiters than ever before tho
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> it also has a tulatin 1.5ghz celeron, and 512mb ram
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> and a xenium ice
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> and a 250gb hdd
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> heheh
[08:30] <goldfish> any pics?
[08:31] <anacron_> well getting stuff windowed and putting light's there is hot right now, but i think that's someway stupid, most of those stuff looks ugly
[08:31] <Computer__Guru> not anymore.. not since my last windoze crash :(
[08:31] <Forty|> are you two talking about xbox modding?
[08:31] <nickrud> beige is good :P
[08:31] <Computer__Guru> my son kidnapped it.. i cant even get on the damned thing these days
[08:31] <crimsun> Forty|: no, it's fine now.
[08:31] <anacron_> Forty|: not just xbox, other stuff as well
[08:31] <Computer__Guru> Forty|: yar
[08:31] <Forty|> ah ok
[08:31] <ethics> you can have  a search for xbox case mod sites theres lots....some are step by step galleries some are just awesome results..
[08:31] <Forty|> yea, mine is modded, but all i did was put a new switch on the back
[08:31] <Tiago> hi
[08:31] <Tiago> im n00b
[08:31] <nickrud> hey, Tiago
[08:32] <reka> Computer__Guru: you get your emulator sound back?
[08:32] <IceDC571> doesnt tcl look lovely?
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> www.casemods.com has an xbox section
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> reka: yeah
[08:32] <Forty|> was going to put a spinning set of blue leds behind the top xbox sign
[08:32] <Tiago> downloading kubuntu
[08:32] <Forty|> but im very lazy
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> reka: problem was with keventd
[08:32] <reka> Computer__Guru: righto
[08:32] <ethics> Computer__Guru, hmm im looking at my xebian box thinking ubuntu would crossgrade on that 8)
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> ethics: it most certainly would.... change your sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade :D
[08:33] <anacron_> Forty|: it's not about lazyness when we nerd's are modding, it's for your country!
[08:33] <Tiago> i have mepis currently installed on my pc and im going to install kubuntu over it is that safe?
[08:33] <Tiago> i hav only been using linux for 2 days now
[08:33] <ethics> Computer__Guru, may be my next crossgrade...i just came from etch/unstable
[08:33] <Computer__Guru> and its definately an upgrade from xebian
[08:33] <nickrud> Tiago, yes, that will work fine
[08:33] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> HI to everyone.
[08:33] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> I need some help here. Please.
[08:33] <nickrud> Tiago, and, a good choice :)
[08:33] <Tiago> i installed kde 3.4.1 and xorg on mepis and alot of apps became unstable
[08:34] <Tiago> but kubuntu comes with xorg stock yeah?
[08:34] <Computer__Guru> im gonna make some tea, take a piss, and grab my ice cream.. ill bbiaf
[08:34] <nickrud> Tiago, yes
[08:34] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> I need to update from GLIBC 2.1 to 2.2 or 2.3... what is the best way of doin that?
[08:34] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> Ubuntu linux that is.
[08:34] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> I'm new to linux.
[08:34] <crimsun> GrAyRoCkStOnE: Ubuntu already has Glibc2.3
[08:34] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> It says My version is 2.1
[08:34] <crimsun> it's lying
[08:34] <Tiago> nickrud, what should i do when installing kubuntu?
[08:34] <crimsun> and what is "it"?
[08:34] <ethics> ok well im off  footy tonight
[08:35] <Tiago> shoudl i just install over my existing root and home partitions?
[08:35] <reka> Tiago: yep, just delete the mepis partitions and then use the free space for kubuntu
[08:35] <nickrud> Tiago, I'd save anything from the home partition (personal stuff) and install over
[08:36] <crimsun> GrAyRoCkStOnE: for instance, ls /lib/libc*so
[08:36] <Forty|> where does ubuntu leave its rc?
[08:36] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> I'm trying to install ATI Radeon 9800 drivers.  When I go to raun the installer, it says I'm running Glibc 2.1
[08:36] <nickrud> hi, reka
[08:36] <Forty|> i want to have torsmo and fspanel load when openbox loads
[08:36] <crimsun> GrAyRoCkStOnE: no. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:36] <Forty|> and i can't use xinitrc with gdm
[08:36] <biharym> hi
[08:37] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> hmmm...
[08:37] <reka> hehe...daniels scared biharym off :)
[08:38] <Tiago> when instalingl kubuntu will i have an option to partition or a tool to partition or formar?
[08:38] <nickrud> Tiago, yes, and it's pretty simple to do.
[08:39] <spasmodo> anyone running nmap?
[08:39] <nickrud> Tiago, I just did an install today, so my memory is fresh :)
[08:40] <Tiago> will it be hard for some one like me? rmemeber i have only 2 days of linux experiance lol
[08:40] <Tiago> lol im in windows now... and i feel so frustrated... i dont know why i just want linux
[08:40] <spasmodo> Can someone offer advice on linking libraries (ln -s)?
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> heh
[08:40] <F-Stalkr> I have a stupid question...what's the root password by default?
[08:40] <Forty|> Tiago, GO!
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> Tiago,  hang in there! Youy can do it!
[08:41] <Belutz> tiago: same thing with me... i just finished installing ubuntu :D
[08:41] <nickrud> Tiago, as a general rule, hit the enter key just about everywhere in the install, it's pretty smart
[08:41] <Madpilot> !sudo
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> We belive in you!
[08:41] <ubotu> I heard sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:41] <Forty|> F-Stalkr, there isn't a root by default
[08:41] <Forty|> you use sudo
[08:41] <nickrud> lol
[08:41] <Madpilot> F-Stalkr: see ubotu's link for info
[08:41] <F-Stalkr> how do I add a root?
[08:41] <Forty|> because ubuntu, much like mac, thinks their users are too stupid to use root
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> F-Stalkr,  best way is to learn to use the 'sudo
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> F-Stalkr,  best way is to learn to use the 'sudo' habbit.
[08:41] <nickrud> !tell F-Stalkr about rootsudo
[08:41] <VIPER^|^> hello there
[08:42] <spasmodo> Can someone offer advice on linking libraries (ln -s)?
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> ive returned
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> spamalope,  care to go into a little more details?
[08:42] <F-Stalkr> thanks
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> you may resume now
[08:42] <nickrud> Computer__Guru, thanks for the warning :)
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> netime
[08:42] <Forty|> ttp://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[08:42] <Tiago> man i cant wait
[08:42] <Forty|> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[08:42] <Forty|> sorry there ya go
[08:43] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis - are you talking too me?
[08:43] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[08:43] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:43] <nickrud> !ubuntuguide
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> basically, type: sudp passwd
[08:43] <Tiago> some people over on mepis are saying ubuntu is slow... lol im wondering if they are running p2's or some thign?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> i forget.. :P
[08:43] <reka> Forty|: :p
[08:43] <Tiago> snce alot of linyx users have slow comps
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> Tiago,  ask them how they are benchmarking it.
[08:43] <Tiago> i think it should ru wel on my pc
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> ubuntu DOES come with a root account, it's just not initialized.. giving it a password does that
[08:43] <The_Vox> damn, DMA makes a hell of a difference with CD/DVD burners
[08:44] <reka> Tiago: what's the default desktop environment on mepis?
[08:44] <Tiago> kde 3.3.1
[08:44] <Tiago> xfree86
[08:44] <Tiago> but i was running kde 3.4.1 and xorg on there today and it ran very fast with full visuals
[08:44] <Tiago> but superkaramba wasent working right
[08:44] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis - I want to install nmap 3,81 - but it needs a different library  libc6  2.3.2.ds1-21
[08:45] <nickrud> bogomips is the only true measure of a machine
[08:45] <spasmodo> ubuntu has -2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[08:45] <Tiago> well considering there are 30 people in the mepis channel and 300 people in here lol it kinda says some thing
[08:45] <spasmodo> I think they are pretty similar ?
[08:45] <spasmodo> so I want to just make a link
[08:45] <Computer__Guru> yeah bogomips is a good universal meter
[08:45] <nickrud> lol
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> spasmodo,  - How are you trying to install nmap?
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> since everyone has a different interpretation of MHz
[08:46] <Tiago> woops there are 400 people in here
[08:46] <nickrud> Tiago, and, that's the lowest number I've ever seen here
[08:46] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis - from source - I CAN get 3.75 from apt, but I hear 3.81 is much faster
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> there really 400 ppl here??
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> spasmodo,  just useing ln like that.. is not a great idea.. however from source it may want the developer files as well..
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> wow
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> and it's always the same old us talking
[08:47] <Tiago> distro watch says it all... lol ubuntu is at the top
[08:47] <Tiago> but kbuntu is some wher elike 14th
[08:47] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis - 3.81 can install fine from source
[08:47] <nickrud> gnome rules ;P
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> well, thats only fair
[08:47] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis but then when I want to install other stuff
[08:47] <Tiago> how come people rather use gnome with ubuntu then kde?
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> as far as *I* am concerned, kubuntu isnt a distro, it's a part of ubuntu
[08:48] <reka> Tiago: er, you really shouldn't measure something simply by numbers
[08:48] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis it says that it needs the libc6 with 'ubuntu' in the name
[08:48] <Tiago> im not... just using it as an example
[08:48] <nickrud> Tiago, mainly, because canonical provides ubuntu (the gnome version) and a lot of quality volunteers provide kubuntu.
[08:48] <Tiago> it seems that gnome is more popular amungst ubuntu users
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> ./msg lilo stop spamming me
[08:49] <Tiago> what does gnome have over kde?
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> spasmodo,  Hmm.. not sure. Ive always had things install what they need. :P the joy of apt-get.
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> absolutely nothing
[08:49] <nickrud> Tiago, not much, just preference
[08:49] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis heh heh
[08:49] <coreyo> what is the correct way to have setserial automatically run a command on bootup?
[08:49] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis thanks
[08:49] <kjon> I can't burn cd's over 22x. I read something about cdrecord priority. How do I change it without being root?
[08:49] <Tiago> oh
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> kde is more feature rich - by far - than gnome at the expense of a few more megs of ram and a few more cpu cycles
[08:49] <Tiago> i have seen some very beautiful gnome desktops...
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> wife was able to understand kde with no help.. :P gnome is cleaner but just different enough in some ways that has her mad. :P
[08:49] <The_Vox> kjon: first do this and tell me what it answers: sudo hdparm /dev/cdrom
[08:50] <nickrud> Except, maybe for hp, tigert, and a few others whose nicks I don't know
[08:50] <The_Vox> kjon: I had that problem...until I turned on DMA
[08:50] <Tiago> i just like eyecandy
[08:50] <reka> Dr_Willis: understandable if she's used to windows
[08:50] <kjon> The_Vox: I've managed myself to get udma 66 and multisect working on my optical drives.
[08:51] <kjon> /dev/cdrom:
[08:51] <kjon>  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
[08:51] <kjon>  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
[08:51] <kjon>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[08:51] <kjon>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[08:51] <kjon>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[08:51] <kjon>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[08:51] <reka> now that i've used gnome for so long, i keep looking at the upper right for the clock whenever i have to use windows :)
[08:51] <Nsaneice> I am used to Windows, been using Ubuntu for four days or so...
[08:51] <reka> kjon: pastebin please
[08:51] <Nsaneice> I like Gnome better and KDE, the package manager in KDE is odd
[08:51] <kjon> sorry reka T-T I won't do it again T-T
[08:52] <hondje> Nsaneice: aren't you on dslr?
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: synaptic runs just fine in kde
[08:52] <Nsaneice> Yes I am on DSLr
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: K->Run Command->kdesu synaptic
[08:52] <reka> kjon: no probs, just in future... more than 3 lines: pastebin
[08:52] <Nsaneice> Ahh haa!
[08:53] <The_Vox> kjon: ok, then just use sudo -s -H to become root to do whatever it is you want to do with cdrecord
[08:53] <Nsaneice> I knew someone on DSLr was working on Backports
[08:53] <hondje> :) No, that's jdong
[08:53] <Nsaneice> or something to that effect
[08:53] <hondje> Feel free to join #atu sometime
[08:53] <Nsaneice> IC
[08:53] <kjon> but, Is there another way without being root? - I mean, by creating some sort of special group... I don't know.
[08:54] <Nsaneice> Can you split the windows in X-chat?
[08:54] <hondje> I don't think you can do anything but tabs, but I'm not sure on that
[08:54] <Nsaneice> Bleh..
[08:54] <Burgundavia> Nsaneice, new channel window
[08:54] <r2d4> My gnome is not starting. How can I see the error messages? Now it just tries to start and then dumps me back at the login screen.
[08:54] <Computer__Guru> kjon: yes. there is.. setup k3b as root, and tell it to use the group cdrom
[08:54] <Burgundavia> you can also split a specific channel by hitting ctrl-i
[08:55] <greatzky> so yeah
[08:55] <greatzky> i have no idea how to mount my NTFS drives :(
[08:55] <hondje> Nsaneice: you won't miss much, everyones asleep at this time
[08:55] <Amorakhelp> Is Amorak safe to use?
[08:55] <greatzky> or even whre to make the directory
[08:55] <reka> r2d4: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:55] <Amorakhelp> it adds cookies to fetch lyrics
[08:55] <Nsaneice> hondje: Ok..
[08:55] <kjon> Computer__Guru: And afterward I have to add myself to that group and that might solve this problem... right?
[08:55] <r2d4> reka: thanks.
[08:55] <Computer__Guru> right
[08:55] <Nsaneice> hondje: I need to be sleeping, but someone woke me up at 10 CST..
[08:55] <reka> greatzky: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab (credit goes to Seveas)
[08:56] <hondje> hehe
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> hey there.. vmware is done :)
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> now to go get maya
[08:56] <Tiago> lol i dont have to worry about the problem of looking in the top right for my clock both my windows and kde have the taskbar/kicker at the top with the click on the right
[08:56] <hondje> I should be too, but I get two weeks vacation coming up, so I'm slacking :)
[08:56] <Nsaneice> Heh
[08:56] <thesamet> is there any Webshots user here?
[08:56] <greatzky> would anyone be able to help me with stupid basic linux questions?
[08:56] <thesamet> greatzky, yes
[08:57] <nickrud> greatzky, probably :)
[08:57] <Tiago> want to know the best reason for having the taskbar at the top? becouse at the bottem you wont see a drop shadow XD
[08:58] <kjon> It might sound stupid, but... how the hell do I configure k3b? I know that some utility exists, but what was it name?
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> the BEST reason for your taskbar at the top is my docker is at the bottom :D
[08:58] <Nsaneice> For me Taskbar and Docker are in the same bar..
[08:58] <Tiago> yes thats is also a great reason
[08:58] <Nsaneice> Frees up a tittle screen
[08:58] <Tiago> as i have a dock in both windows and kde at the bottem
[08:59] <Tiago> that makes sence
[08:59] <Tiago> but eyecandy my friend
[08:59] <Tiago> lol
[09:00] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: my desktop --> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26283
[09:01] <holycow> Tiago, thats the stupidest reason i' ve everheard
[09:01] <holycow> :)
[09:01] <Tiago> lol
[09:01] <Computer__Guru> im an eyecandy enthusiast as well
[09:01] <Tiago> agreed
[09:02] <Computer__Guru> and i take vast pride in my desktop
[09:02] <geronimo> Hello French ??
[09:02] <holycow> i'm a designer, i've seen it all and know how to make it, as a result i think i'm jaded
[09:02] <hyphenated> geronimo: #ubuntu-fr
[09:02] <reka> the transparency is nice
[09:02] <Nsaneice> Looks nice. :)
[09:02] <kjon> I couldn't manage myself to configure k3b. Any hints? (please)
[09:03] <holycow> kjon, what do you mean 'configure'?
[09:03] <Tiago> Computer__Guru, im still waiting for the site to load
[09:03] <nickrud> I look at my bland desktop, and wonder why I ever had anything anything between me and my work
[09:03] <geronimo> speak french ??
[09:03] <Nsaneice> Need to find a place to put my screen shot and I can show you my desktop..
[09:03] <holycow> k3b actually will tell you what you need to install additionally ... so thats basically all you need to add?
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> kjon: the name of the app escapes me... just type k3 int he command line and hit tab twice for a list
[09:04] <Nsaneice> Non, parla vous Francais.
[09:04] <geronimo> je suis franais
[09:04] <kjon> holycow: Can't burn cds at 52x, dma stuff is fine. Seems an issue with priority. I need to be root to burn faster....
[09:04] <goldfish> #ubuntu-fr
[09:04] <holycow> oh, i've never heard of that
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> why do you need to burn at 52x anyways
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> 48x or even 32x isnt fast enough for you?
[09:05] <hondje> crank it to 11
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> i mean comeon
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> to save 30 sec!
[09:05] <kjon> Because I can't stand burning at 20~18x.
[09:05] <reka> 52x drives don't even get that high iirc
[09:05] <Tiago> Computer__Guru, your desktop is the s3x0r!111
[09:05] <Nsaneice> Oui, Francais est porcaw --->  #ubuntu-fr
[09:05] <reka> at least mine doesn't
[09:05] <geronimo> bonjour Goldfish
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: I know, rate it :) thx
[09:05] <kjon> and my dvd burning sucks... I need more speed man.... T-T
[09:05] <Tiago> i dont like the icons though
[09:05] <goldfish> geronimo: bonjour
[09:05] <nickrud> over 30 disks, that's a few minutes ;)
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> i love em
[09:06] <reka> Computer__Guru: why not just buy a mac? ;)
[09:06] <geronimo> enfin un french
[09:06] <Tiago> wait till u see my desktop
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> reka: two words: closed source
[09:06] <kjon> Any hints? (before my head blows....)
[09:06] <Nsaneice> le franais que l'aide est ici, # ubuntu-franc, dsol je suis trs rouill  mes deux annes de Franais dans le lyce.
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> someone should tell artic fox how to spell arctic
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: i think it's #ubuntu-fr
[09:07] <geronimo> je voi que tu parle bien quand meme
[09:07] <Nsaneice> woops
[09:07] <Tiago> this is my windows desktop http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/686/windowsdesktop1mj.jpg
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> kjon: i suppose you could setuid cdrecord, but i dont think thats gonna solve your problem
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> being root shouldnt have anything to do with how fast cdrecord works
[09:07] <hondje> Why isn't this #ubuntu-en?
[09:07] <reka> kjon: isn't there a speed setting in the preferences? (haven't used it myself)
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> because english is the main language for ubuntu
[09:08] <Tiago> i think my windows desktop is the s3x0r!11111
[09:08] <Nsaneice> Dsol il n'est pas, # ubuntu-franc, il est #ubuntu-fr
[09:08] <Tiago> but my ubuntu wll be bettewr
[09:08] <Nsaneice> Soo soo rusty at French
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: that's windows? rock on
[09:09] <hyphenated> hondje: because the world is full of bias toward english-speakers, I guess
[09:09] <Tiago> lol yeah who would have know xp could look that good?
[09:09] <reka> Tiago: hello fellow aussie :)
[09:09] <Tiago> but im bored of windows so im giving linux a try
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> I'm FAMOUS
[09:09] <Tiago> ^^
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> I've been immortalized in a screenshot
[09:09] <geronimo> desole suis oblige de partir je comprend rien a l'englais
[09:10] <rok47> what did u use to make your desktop like that tiago?
[09:10] <Tiago> are u in melb bro?
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: that object desktop?
[09:10] <reka> Tiago: heh, i must say....that's pretty good for xp
[09:10] <hondje> Is this the guy that got banned for refusing to listen about going to #ubuntu-fr?
[09:10] <reka> Tiago: yep...bit cold, ey?
[09:10] <Tiago> tell me about it
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> Tiago: wow dude, I am impressed.  How'd you get the gkrellm style calendar, mac OS dock, and the clock widget?
[09:10] <Tiago> im going clubbing tonight too
[09:10] <kjon> reka: Yep. And I chose "full throttle"... (52x). Cdrecord kicks back automatically if the cd can't handle higher speeds; however, even if I chose 24x (or whatever higher) I can't burn over 18x...
[09:10] <Nsaneice> hondje: You got me..
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> i think it's object desktop
[09:11] <hondje> Nsaneice: Not you :)
[09:11] <Nsaneice> hondje: But his broken french hurts my head
[09:11] <kjon> why??? T-T
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: answer me q, fewl :D
[09:11] <Tiago> i use KONFABULATOR for the widgets, RKlauncher for the dock, Yz Shadow for the shadows
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> oh wow
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> how does it affect performance?
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> Tiago: where'd you learn about these thingies?
[09:12] <reka> Tiago: as if windwos wasn't bloated already. ;)
[09:12] <Tiago> runs very well
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> on what hardware?
[09:12] <Tiago> im a windows freak
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> i gotta say
[09:12] <Tiago> i have allways loved windows and customizing windows lol
[09:12] <hondje> That's not something you see on freenode everyday
[09:12] <Tiago> but im over it now
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> thats a nice fuckin desktop, regardless of the os
[09:13] <tiglionabbit> Tiago: well you'll probably like linux once you get into it.  You can change...  Everything
[09:13] <Nsaneice> Here is my desktop. :/   http://img330.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0df.png
[09:13] <Tiago> im running a 2500+ @ 3410+ 512 ddr3200 cl2 dual chan, 5600 ultra 256mb... the comps about a year old
[09:13] <Nsaneice> Its just kinda there. :|
[09:14] <hondje> Nsaneice: nice alien dude
[09:14] <Tiago> yeah love linux
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> how do you think allt hat would run on my p4-1.7 w/384 and a crappy 16mb ati rage pro 128 ultra video card?
[09:14] <Nsaneice> hondje: Its Spawn
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> hondje: that's spawn
[09:14] <hondje> oh
[09:14] <hondje> http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/Screenshot.png
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: very minimalistic.. i like it
[09:14] <Tiago> i have longhorn build 5048 on here as well
[09:15] <kjon> well, seems I'm gonna to give up....
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> hondje's desktop is very clean
[09:15] <kjon> seems to much for me... '
[09:15] <Tiago> Computer__Guru, should run fine on ur system
[09:15] <Nsaneice> I need a trash can on the desktop..
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> wooohooo
[09:16] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png
[09:16] <Amaranth> I win. :D
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> sin city is over halfway done transcoding
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> but ill tell ya
[09:16] <Tiago> Amaranth, dont make me rip out my longhorn desktop screenshot lol
[09:16] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> kmediafactory SUCKS BALLS for creating DVD's
[09:16] <Amaranth> Mine isn't vaporware, just breezy.
[09:16] <Nsaneice> I have a longhorn build some where in this mess..
[09:16] <Tiago> the next installment of windows will be an eyecandy feast
[09:17] <Amaranth> well, the icon theme will be in breezy eventually
[09:17] <Amaranth> Tiago: Doesn't mean it will look nice.
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: my desktop is sexier than that :D and alexis bledel is sexier than that broad :D
[09:17] <Nsaneice> Heck ya, longhorn is all round now
[09:17] <Tiago> you will need to take ur eyes to the dentist after using longhorn
[09:17] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Show me.
[09:17] <Tiago> i think m$ has the resources to hire some one t make a realy nice theme this time
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26283
[09:17] <hondje> I doubt one can top Amaranth
[09:18] <hondje> Amaranth wins
[09:18] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Ugly as sin.
[09:18] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: No offense. :)
[09:18] <Amaranth> That theme is just so...forced.
[09:19] <nickrud> I never seem to get work done with backgrounds like that :)
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: longhorn depends far too heavily on xml, and slower pc's are gonna take a year to load it.. xp runs fine on a 266 w/256+ ram.. longhorn will need at LEAST a 1.3GHz regardless of ram to make you not want to kill yourself waiting for it to load
[09:19] <Tiago> i cant wait to be running longhorn final, linux and os x tiger all on my pc :D
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: there's nothing at all forced about it :) it flows perfectly
[09:19] <Tiago> not to far away ether
[09:19] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Then you're screenshot is very grainy.
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> the MS xml parser is a very slow and bulky beast
[09:19] <Tiago> well its 2005 people shouldent be using slow pc's any more...
[09:20] <Amaranth> and, like, not at all what your desktop looks like
[09:20] <hondje> why not?
[09:20] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: it shouldn't be...
[09:20] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Things don't flow at all, it's all cramped in.
[09:20] <Tiago> if people stop buying new pc's the economy will go broke
[09:20] <hondje> So?
[09:20] <tiglionabbit> woo cool, apache works.  K here's my desktop then http://nickr.kicks-ass.net/~nick/desktop.png
[09:20] <hondje> If it runs, why buy a new one
[09:20] <Computer__Guru> not to me its not
[09:20] <tiglionabbit> not too much class, but I had fun with the launchers
[09:20] <Nsaneice> I have a 233mhz 128Sdram Dell laptop with 4gb HDD it runs XP nicely
[09:20] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: And leaning on transparency to try to get an 'awe' factor.
[09:20] <Nsaneice> perfect for my brother and Gaim
[09:21] <Tiago> i found the s3xyest gnome desktop online... ill upload it for you all to look at
[09:21] <Tiago> it almost made me wana install gnome
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: :D I only turned it on for the screenshot.. this vid card cant handle it.. btw ive dumped the glossy osx for the brushed one and i think it looks a lot betetr
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> btw, all, tiglionabbit wins. his desktop is really suave
[09:22] <rob^> !factoid
[09:22] <ubotu> rob^: I give up, what is it?
[09:22] <Computer__Guru> i like it a lot
[09:22] <Amaranth> The important parts are the little things
[09:22] <Computer__Guru> i need to convince dave to enable port 80 passthrough for me
[09:22] <hondje> hehe
[09:22] <hondje> I like the Amaranth theme
[09:22] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[09:22] <hondje> with gartoon icons
[09:22] <hondje> it doesn't glare out at my eyes
[09:23] <Tiago> i dont like the theme of osx... looks like a gay man cummed all over it... but i like the ideas they come up with... such as docks and widgets
[09:23] <Computer__Guru> my theme does look nice :) almost everyone i show it to loves it.. and it stops people who come over dead in their tracks
[09:23] <rob^> ubotu factoid is a list of commonly used factoids, found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[09:23] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[09:23] <tiglionabbit> Computer__Guru: hey thanks man
[09:23] <hondje> the human theme is too brown
[09:23] <tiglionabbit> I found the background image on 4chan
[09:23] <hondje> clearlooks is nice though
[09:23] <pax> any snoopy guru around, I purged and removed snoopy, but the sucker is still showing on my logs, just wont go away?
[09:23] <Computer__Guru> at some point i'll get bored enough to design a theme fromt he ground up
[09:23] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/shiny.png and http://www.realistanew.com/shiny3.png
[09:24] <Howitzer> gX aaaall the way
[09:24] <Howitzer> a niiiiiice dark theme
[09:25] <Computer__Guru> i gotta say i like your icon set, Amaranth
[09:25] <Computer__Guru> a lot
[09:25] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: It'll be in breezy. :)
[09:25] <holycow> the other thing about themes, is that they are essentially pointless
[09:25] <Amaranth> It's from AndyFitz
[09:25] <holycow> a: i never ever see my desktop
[09:25] <Tiago> what happened to the aussie guy?
[09:25] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: port it over to kde :D
[09:25] <holycow> and i have a dual monitor at 1600x1200 each
[09:25] <Amaranth> (the guy who did the Human icons)
[09:25] <Madpilot> Gnome makes it pretty easy to mix'n'match your own themes. I like that
[09:25] <holycow> second i don't care what the window border looks like because frankly its just 3 icons in the top right
[09:25] <Amaranth> It's not in breezy right now.
[09:25] <Howitzer> how do you theme you're mouse-pointer.??
[09:25] <Tiago> every one bow down http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/4859/screenshot16qw0rs.png
[09:26] <Tiago> tell me this isent sexy
[09:26] <AndyFitz> Tiago,  I'm the aussie guy
[09:26] <Tiago> makes me want to use gnome
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> isn't Amaranth's the default XFCE icon set?
[09:26] <Madpilot> what's that purple thing, taigo?
[09:26] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: no
[09:26] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: It's humility
[09:26] <Tiago> i duno its not my desktop
[09:26] <Howitzer> omfg
[09:26] <Howitzer> Tiago, is tht yours?
[09:26] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: my daughter would love it... wife probably would too... there something you need to tell us? :D
[09:26] <Amaranth> Tiago: Nice try.
[09:26] <Tiago> any way i gota run
[09:26] <hondje> That's not very sexy, I don't like milk
[09:27] <Amaranth> I like Milk more than brushed metal
[09:27] <hondje> milk gives me a headache, too much brightness
[09:27] <Howitzer> daaamn
[09:27] <Computer__Guru> i like brushed metal as long as everything gets brushed the same
[09:27] <hondje> clearlooks and amaranth are the only ones I like
[09:27] <txsky> help me
[09:27] <Howitzer> i want that theme
[09:27] <Tiago>   lol
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> I love that.  What is the thing on the left, gaim buddy list?  I want mine to look like that
[09:27] <hondje> I like those icons though
[09:27] <Tiago> i like longhorns aero
[09:27] <Amaranth> I like the panel there, kinda.
[09:27] <Computer__Guru> which between panther-gtk2-brushed and baghira 0.6a, they actually match
[09:27] <anacron_> what where now?
[09:27] <Amaranth> It's a bit overloaded.
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> heh, you can define any icons, I love that.  On my desktop, I didn't use any default icons.  I just searched the net for a suitible image to stick there
[09:28] <Amaranth> Tiago: Why?
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> shoved in some gifs and pngs and such
[09:28] <Amaranth> Tiago: Do you have a screenshot of something I haven't seen? (something that doesn't look like ass)
[09:28] <Computer__Guru> icons look a lot better as a set
[09:28] <AndyFitz> Amaranth,  the icons have changed  ( well the arrows and a few little things )
[09:28] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/humility-icons.tar.bz2
[09:28] <anacron_> Tiago: oh my god thats cool :D
[09:28] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Damn you, I felt special. :P
[09:28] <Madpilot> <evil grin> my desktop currently has pussy showing. it beats Amaranth's lady. here ya go: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1319/warbard4ul.png :)
[09:29] <hondje> muwahah, now we have his power
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> hey andy, those gnome icons, kde icons, or just a bunch of png's?
[09:29] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Please don't post adult content.
[09:29] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: GNOME
[09:29] <hondje> Madpilot: very nice sir
[09:29] <hondje> that's a whole lot of weather
[09:29] <Madpilot> Amaranth: it's not. honest. check the url
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: that's the prettiest pussy ive seen in ages
[09:29] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Those are the icons I'm using in my screenshots.
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> ah
[09:29] <Madpilot> !joke
[09:29] <ubotu> it has been said that joke is Joke, v. i. L. jocari.   To do something for sport, or as a joke; to be merry in words   or actions; to jest. (1913 Webster)
[09:29] <Amaranth> haha
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> AndyFitz: port that icon theme to kde :D
[09:29] <AndyFitz> computer__guru, they are svg
[09:30] <Amaranth> it's beatrix
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: wow, do you think you have enough launchers and temperature monitors?  I bet you're so busy, you can't click twice to open an application
[09:30] <holycow> Madpilot, you need one of the jumping cats pics instead i think
[09:30] <AndyFitz> computer__guru,  join the ubuntu-art mailing list
[09:30] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Looks like GTK 1.x with Human icons.
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> that's a really nice desktop, Madpilot
[09:30] <Madpilot> lots of weather, yup. I'm a pilot, we're all weather-addicts
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: personally, I just stuck a mini-launcher on mine, so if it's not on my quick buttons I type it
[09:30] <AndyFitz> that may be done once the set is at a reasonable density.
[09:30] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Would ubuntu-art be a good place to request an icon for Smeg?
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> the background does it all
[09:30] <Madpilot> Amaranth: let me check, it's a hand-rolled theme
[09:31] <AndyFitz> Amaranth,  yeah  or just PM me .  what did you have in mind ?
[09:31] <anacron_> Tiago: what theme is that?
[09:31] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Something that makes it obvious it's a menu editor, I guess.
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> I'd like a kubuntu icon to use for my k-menu :D
[09:31] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: And fits in with your kickass new theme.
[09:31] <hondje> AndyFitz: I like these icons
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> in assorted colors
[09:31] <Madpilot> Human icons, ThinIce controls, Clearlooks borders
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> will breezy have an in-depth theme editor?
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> like one that allows you to assign and swap out individual icons, and parts of themes?
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> that would be funner than editing a tar.gz and throwing it in
[09:33] <Amaranth> Only one bad thing about my background image. She's so distracting I lose things on my desktop. ;)
[09:33] <hondje> put the icons in the center right
[09:33] <Nsaneice> This is going to sound stupid; but is Breezy going to be a new rls of Ubuntu?
[09:33] <hondje> then you'll naturally look for them there
[09:33] <hondje> Nsaneice: yep, the next one
[09:33] <holycow> oddly i find the ubuntu brown desktop easy on the eyes
[09:34] <Nsaneice> Cool
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> i rotate between 6 images of alexis bledel, 6 images of jessica alba, 6 images of denise richards, and six images of sarah michelle gellar
[09:34] <hondje> it's easy on the eyes, I agree
[09:34] <holycow> its perfectly unobtrusive without being completely boring single colour
[09:34] <hondje> it's just hard to find a background that works with ti
[09:34] <Amaranth> hondje: haha, that might work
[09:34] <Amaranth> holycow: me too
[09:35] <Amaranth> holycow: i just like the clearlooks brown a little better
[09:35] <holycow> hondje, i mean wallpaper too
[09:35] <holycow> Amaranth, *nod*
[09:35] <hondje> I think its too dark
[09:35] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Which icon gets used for the show desktop button on the panel?
[09:35] <holycow> adjust your gamma -_-
[09:35] <holycow> hehe
[09:36] <rob^> can anyone offer me some feedback on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[09:36] <AndyFitz> gnome-fs-desktop
[09:36] <Amaranth> can't be
[09:36] <rob^> what you would like to see etc
[09:36] <AndyFitz> but the applet seems to screw it up
[09:36] <Amaranth> looks nothing like it
[09:36] <Forty|> for debian, setting a static IP address, i can do this in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> what is smeg?
[09:36] <Amaranth> oh, i see
[09:36] <hondje> holycow: I like my gamma :-(
[09:36] <holycow> Forty|, yes
[09:36] <Amaranth> it's using 24x24?
[09:36] <AndyFitz> gnome-fs-desktop  .  but I'm not sure what size its using
[09:36] <holycow> Forty|, but why, you have a gui for that
[09:36] <Amaranth> no, but it should be...
[09:36] <AndyFitz> whatever size its using its not using the one I made for it
[09:36] <holycow> system/admin/networking
[09:36] <Forty|> holycow, bah to gui, i like nano :-)
[09:37] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: menu editor
[09:37] <holycow> hondje, i kid! :)
[09:37] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: I think it's zooming either the 22 or 24 one.
[09:37] <hondje> ;)
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: how'd you get it?
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> !smeg
[09:37] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: I wrote it.
[09:37] <ubotu> well, smeg is a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[09:37] <Nsaneice> I like nano too, I think it is from installing Gentoo
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> really?
[09:37] <AndyFitz> Amaranth, if you figure out a fix please post it to the list
[09:37] <Amaranth> Yes. :)
[09:38] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Ok.
[09:38] <rob^> I'll take that as a no
[09:38] <Forty|> Nsaneice, same here, i got use to it from Gentoo
[09:38] <Nsaneice> I think I might remove gedit, and only use nano
[09:39] <jsgotangco> its a very small app to remove
[09:39] <Amaranth> note to self: don't delete the icon theme that's in use
[09:39] <Nsaneice> Every bit helps..
[09:39] <hondje> lol
[09:39] <holycow> Amaranth, hahah!
[09:40] <tiglionabbit> sheesh, if i were using gentoo, I'd use vim
[09:40] <holycow> i dub that theme 'borked'
[09:40] <Nsaneice> 1624kB
[09:40] <AndyFitz> amaranth, smeg isnt using the proper icon sizes
[09:40] <concept10> Problem: My server box says "CMOS Error" after the initial boot test and it always crashes, anyone have a clue on what this means?  Does this mean the BIOS battery is dead?  (it doesnt remember settings)
[09:40] <tiglionabbit> I got used to nano and emacs long ago, switching to vim recently after becoming obsessed with nethack which uses similar keys
[09:40] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: lmao, if you remove the 22x22 and 24x24 gnome-fs-desktop icons it seems to work perfectly
[09:40] <AndyFitz> http://www.realistanew.com/shiny.png  looks like a resized icon
[09:40] <Amaranth> oh, it's probably using the gnome theme one
[09:40] <hondje> oh no, tiglionabbit is hooked
[09:41] <hondje> nethack should be illegal
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> lol
[09:41] <r2d4> how can I search available deb packages in repositories without using synaptic and from the command line?
[09:41] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: You mean the foot on the window border?
[09:41] <r2d4> like rpm -q xyz
[09:41] <holycow> hondje, speaking of games, i gotta get someone to write a networking component to gltron
[09:42] <holycow> the game is decent with a good theme actually
[09:42] <hondje> gltron is fun
[09:42] <tiglionabbit> I haven't played it in a few days though, I think I've had enough of it.  My high score was in the 5 digit numbers, got to level 9 and died by accidentally punching a cockatrice in the face
[09:42] <hondje> I always go back to bzflag though
[09:42] <Madpilot> in breezy is the gnome foot in the top left corner replaced with a Ubuntu circle?
[09:42] <holycow> oh i had to permanently remove bzflag
[09:42] <holycow> i got addicted to that for about a week
[09:42] <holycow> i couldn't stop playing that for some reason
[09:42] <Burgundavia> Madeye, no
[09:42] <Madpilot> scorched3d is my nemesis.
[09:43] <AndyFitz> amaranth,  no the icons in the tree
[09:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, no
[09:43] <Madpilot> or gnome-mine...
[09:43] <holycow> it's not like its an incredible game, something about the fast pace of it tho and the competitiveness
[09:43] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Getting rid of the 22x22 and 24x24 icons seems to have fixed the show desktop button.
[09:43] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: it's using the scalable one, i guess
[09:43] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: those are whatever the default cellrenderer height is
[09:43] <AndyFitz> yeah thats kinda dodgy  ,  it should use the 22x22 one
[09:43] <hondje> holycow: ah HAH, that's where I recognize your nick, from hepcat
[09:43] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: I mean it's using the scalable one now, it's it sizing it right. It looks perfect.
[09:43] <holycow> eh >_>
[09:44] <AndyFitz> wish it was the sharper
[09:45] <hondje> why does everyone hate the gnome foot next to applications?
[09:45] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: hmm, putting in the 22x22 one again seems to either use that one correctly or do nothing
[09:45] <cat> hey if i have debian and i want to update debian sarge to ubuntu can i do it with the source list? of ubuntu?
[09:46] <niran> AndyFitz, src/AppInstall.py:132: GtkWarning: Theme directory mimetypes48x48/apps of theme humility-icons has no size field
[09:46] <niran> AndyFitz, that's weird.
[09:46] <hondje> cat: yeah, if you use pinning, but it can get ugly]
[09:46] <cat> it can? how?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> cat, yes
[09:46] <hondje> using /etc/apt/preferences
[09:46] <Burgundavia> cat, what are you running
[09:46] <cat> debian sarge
[09:47] <Burgundavia> cat, ouch
[09:47] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: I can't make it break anymore. I put the 22x22 and 24x24 ones back in.
[09:47] <Burgundavia> cat, sarge is newer than our stable
[09:47] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Try removing the applet and adding it back in.
[09:47] <cat> but i want to try out ubuntu i already sign up for the cds, but i've waited it for 2 months and still nothing
[09:48] <Burgundavia> cat, sarge --> hoary is not easy and breezy is not very stable right now
[09:48] <Nsaneice> It took a while to get mine, prolly 4 months..
[09:48] <Nsaneice> I asked for 5 x86 and they sent 20
[09:48] <Nsaneice> big goofs
[09:48] <reka> cat: took ~10 weeks for me here in aus
[09:48] <reka> cat: depends where you are i guess
[09:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> did ya pay for them?
[09:48] <hondje> cat: http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html  <--- you can use that, and be careful
[09:48] <cat> oh
[09:48] <hondje> doing it that way assumes you're not a newbie
[09:49] <cat> so what should i do then?
[09:49] <cat> just keep on waiting?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> cat, wait for a while
[09:49] <cat> well my question is what's the differents between debian and ubuntu?
[09:49] <Madpilot> there are Hoary CDs for *sale* on EBay. that's just wrong...
[09:50] <reka> cat: i got sick of it and burned the ISO....cd arrived the next week. :)
[09:50] <hondje> Madpilot: that's gross :(
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> cat: uh...  ubuntu people are nicer?
[09:50] <cat> well can someone answer my question
[09:50] <cat> oh they are?
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> yes, we are
[09:50] <cat> oh nice
[09:51] <Nsaneice> I think they are. :)
[09:51] <Madeye> Burgundavia,  yes?
[09:51] <Madpilot> hondje: I was surprised, but I guess it's not illegal. it just stinks, and it's abuse of the free mailout system...
[09:51] <reka> cat: well, there's the more frequent releases
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu is a very friendly community.  We try to make things simple and nice.
[09:51] <cat> cool,
[09:51] <hondje> yeah, that's sad...I can see charging for shipping, but making a profit is gross
[09:51] <cat> i wish i can code for you people,
[09:51] <hondje> kinda like how linspire wants you to PAY for gcc
[09:52] <holycow> i like how they sell antivirus software
[09:52] <holycow> -_
[09:52] <holycow> -_-
[09:52] <Nsaneice> Lindows && Linspire are dirty
[09:52] <Burgundavia> lets not hack down linspire
[09:52] <Burgundavia> this is #ubuntu
[09:52] <ztonzy> hmm, I need PDF viewer in Firefox, any tip ?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> and every desktop linspire takes away from windows is still a good thing
[09:53] <hondje> Why?
[09:53] <VIPER^|^> is there a way to install 2.4 now
[09:53] <holycow> ztonzy, you DON'T want a pdf viewere in fox
[09:53] <VIPER^|^> on ubuntu
[09:53] <tiglionabbit> lol
[09:53] <Madpilot> $40 (Cdn) OEM for Linspire. huh...
[09:53] <holycow> you want A SEPARATE viewere for pdf
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ztonzy, install evince
[09:53] <tiglionabbit> holycow: I'm sure there is one though..
[09:53] <ztonzy> holycow, hehe :) okej...
[09:53] <ztonzy> Burgundavia, what's that ?
[09:53] <holycow> ztonzy, try evince
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ztonzy, pdf/document viewer
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> hm, I like evince's webpage.  So many screenshots
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> it's like, you can talk about it, but can you PROVE it?
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> *** YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.9.4.
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> *** KDE requires automake 1.6.1 or newer
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[09:54] <ztonzy> holycow & Burgundavia , thanks
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> that's RETARDED
[09:54] <Burgundavia> Computer__Guru, automake is fun
[09:55] <tiglionabbit> Computer__Guru: rofl
[09:55] <Nsaneice> hehe
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> anyone tried out breezy yet?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> eliUbuntu, yes, broken
[09:55] <Madpilot> automake can't count...
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> im using newer than 1.6.1
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> how do i fix this?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> Computer__Guru, install another automake
[09:55] <Burgundavia> they are parallel installable
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> isnt it bad to install two versions of a package?
[09:55] <ztonzy> Burgundavia, how do I setup it for FF ?
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> ok
[09:56] <Nsaneice> That is like when I was working on XFCE4 and it said I needed GLib 2.3.4 or >= but it found 2.6.8
[09:56] <tiglionabbit> say guys, exactly how safe is gparted?  I'm about to resize a fat32 partition.  I haven't defragmented it lately....
[09:56] <eliUbuntu> Burgundavia: broken as in... lot of bugs?
[09:56] <hondje> Computer__Guru: apt-get install automaken, it'll show you what versions they have...automake1.6 probably would work
[09:56] <Burgundavia> eliUbuntu, somewhat
[09:56] <hondje> not that it isn't retarded
[09:56] <tiglionabbit> I'm nearly cutting it in half, but coming 2 gigs away from the data that's already on it..
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> got it
[09:57] <Computer__Guru> 1.6.3 hopefully this stupid cvs script will work now
[09:57] <Computer__Guru> absolutely retarded
[09:57] <Computer__Guru> yaknow gyach-e does the same thing
[09:57] <eliUbuntu> Burgundavia, so you would not recommend trying it out at the moment, correct?
[09:57] <Computer__Guru> you have to make symlinks for VERY old library files
[09:57] <Burgundavia> eliUbuntu, yes, wait a few weeks
[09:58] <hondje> Computer__Guru: it'd probably be easier to futz with configure.in
[09:58] <eliUbuntu> ok... Burgundavia, do you by any chance use AMD64 option for ubuntu?
[09:58] <Computer__Guru> i fixed it, Burgundavia's idea worked. i installed automake 1.6.3 and its fine
[09:58] <reka> tiglionabbit: there's always a risk involved when you mess around with partitions.   IMO, you should defrag first.
[09:58] <reka> tiglionabbit: and backup...
[09:58] <tiglionabbit> =[ but that would involve booting into windows
[09:58] <Computer__Guru> kwin-styles should come in some sort of package format
[09:59] <Burgundavia> eliUbuntu, no
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> tiglionabbit, reka says wise words when stating backup
[09:59] <gyaresu> anyone had any luck with a CD cataloguing programme like 'whereisit' in windows?
[10:00] <reka> eliUbuntu: though i'm sure tiglionabbit knows that...he's helped a lot of people in here.  just wanted to say it anyway :)
[10:00] <mgcross> hello all
[10:01] <Nsaneice> Hiya
[10:01] <hondje> what's cd cataloguing?
[10:01] <mgcross> can you tell me if I can burn an .mds/.mdf file in linux?
[10:01] <hondje> to keep track of what's on which disk?
[10:01] <eliUbuntu> reka, thanks for the message :) tiglionabbit i didnt mean to be annoying on my part. i just have seen too many people crumple over losing their partitions on resizing
[10:01] <holycow> its keeping track of your warez collection hondje
[10:01] <holycow> you remember those, dontcha?
[10:01] <holycow> >_>
[10:01] <hondje> No, I don't :-(
[10:01] <holycow> ]
[10:01] <hondje> Too many years gettin' my linux on
[10:02] <gyaresu> hondje, sorry, i need my name for the beep :)
[10:02] <mgcross> anyone?
[10:02] <hondje> At work we use mysql to keep track of what's on which disk
[10:02] <gyaresu> hondje, yeah to know what's on the 1000 or so CD's i've got...
[10:03] <niran> mgcross, never heard of those. what are they?
[10:03] <hondje> I _think_ OpenOffice2 has some MS Access like thing
[10:03] <holycow> hondje, heh i think open source is the solution to the warez problem really, i haven't donwloaded a single thing since moving to linux
[10:03] <hondje> I don't think I've warezed anything since 94 or 95
[10:03] <Nsaneice> Nor have I holycow, other than Crossover Office Pro, which was a waste so it got the rm -f
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> hey how do you build a binary .deb from a plain old source tarball?
[10:04] <holycow> Nsaneice, i boughht crossover infact and vmware, but i needed it for work
[10:04] <hondje> the only commercial software I have is matlab and cedega, and I paid for both
[10:05] <mgcross> niran: I *think it the alcohol version of an iso or a bin/cue...
[10:05] <Nsaneice> Like an .iso
[10:05] <gyaresu> Computer__Guru, debian-builder
[10:06] <Nsaneice> Kinda like nero's .nrg
[10:06] <Computer__Guru> hrmmm
[10:06] <gyaresu> mgcross, there is a prog mdf2iso
[10:06] <mgcross> anyone know if k3b (or its underlying bits) will handle it...don't wanna download if not...
[10:07] <holycow> Nsaneice, you reminded me of something ...
[10:07] <holycow> http://www.nrg.be/ <-- i can't believe this stupid site is still up
[10:07] <Nsaneice> Yes?
[10:07] <sinferno> does anyone have ultima online running with cedega?
[10:07] <mgcross> gyaresu: thanks...is it in the Ubuntu repos?
[10:07] <gyaresu> mgcross, no. it's here >>> http://mdf2iso.berlios.de/
[10:07] <gyaresu> mgcross, dunno why.
[10:08] <mgcross> gyaresu: thanks...cool, thanks!
[10:08] <gyaresu> mgcross, direct link is >>> http://download.berlios.de/mdf2iso/mdf2iso-0.3.0-src.tar.bz2
[10:08] <Madpilot> holycow: wow, that's a lot of flash. is there a point to it?
[10:09] <hondje> Computer__Guru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[10:09] <eliUbuntu> matlab is a program like mathematica correct?
[10:09] <Computer__Guru> ty
[10:09] <Flying-Penguin> hey guys!
[10:09] <holycow> Madeye, it's the ultimate example of the kind of crap all of us designed in the mid 90's
[10:09] <holycow> jesus f christ
[10:09] <Flying-Penguin> ?
[10:09] <Madpilot> holycow: you do/did web design?
[10:09] <mgcross> gyaresu: bows deeply
[10:10] <holycow> ex graphic designer, yep
[10:10] <gyaresu> mgcross, is welcome.
[10:10] <Nsaneice> And Mozilla crashes at that site..
[10:10] <Computer__Guru> yeah, i just installed a badass window deco
[10:10] <Computer__Guru> :D
[10:10] <Nsaneice> Lets try FF
[10:11] <Madeye> holycow, ?
[10:11] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: try Opera. it handles it just fine. there's nothing to see, but it works...
[10:11] <rem> .
[10:11] <Nsaneice> Yup FF crashed also
[10:11] <Nsaneice> Eek, no package for it. :/
[10:12] <hondje> eliUbuntu: yeah, matlab is for linear algebra mostly
[10:12] <concept10> I wish I could change the god-awful Java font
[10:12] <hondje> signal processing, matrices, that sorta thing
[10:12] <hondje> 'lazy mans fortran'
[10:12] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: Opera? nope. but they do a Ubuntu deb that's painless
[10:13] <Flying-Penguin> hey, I use a microsoft mouse :( and it has 5 buttons but the 2 side buttons don't work, is there a good downloadable mouse driver for linux?
[10:13] <eliUbuntu> oh, thanks hondje.
[10:13] <anacron_> is there a opera for linux?
[10:13] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: I have the .deb now..
[10:13] <gyaresu> anacron_, yes.
[10:13] <holycow> Flying-Penguin, not from microsoft -_-
[10:13] <Madpilot> anacron_: I'm on it right now.
[10:13] <anacron_> that's cool
[10:14] <hondje> you don't need a driver for your mouse buttons
[10:14] <Flying-Penguin> holycow, well I kinda knew that, but there are alot of 5 button mouses out there and I was just wondering if someone took the time to make drivers for them
[10:14] <hondje> you just need to twiddle with /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:14] <Flying-Penguin> realy?
[10:14] <anacron_> firefox is too heavy for my other computer, and dillo isn't quite finished product yet
[10:14] <holycow> Flying-Penguin, i was kidden, what hondje said, you will need to google 5 button mice
[10:14] <Flying-Penguin> hondje, I don't know much abought editing xorg.conf (I suck with linux)
[10:14] <Flying-Penguin> ok I will google it
[10:14] <hondje> Should be some good walkthroughs, if not I'm sure someone here can help
[10:15] <hondje> it's a common enough question though
[10:15] <Determinist> guys , i'm having a problem here. i cant seem to be able to mount my ntfs partitions (this is a dual boot system). fdisk -l gives me this:
[10:15] <Determinist>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:15] <Determinist> /dev/hda1   *           1        1275    10241406   42  SFS
[10:15] <Determinist> /dev/hda2            1276        7296    48363682+  42  SFS
[10:15] <gyaresu> !tell Flying-Penguin about IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:15] <Determinist> but hda1 or hda2 do not appear in /dev/
[10:15] <gyaresu> Flying-Penguin, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:15] <Determinist> what can i do about this?
[10:15] <gyaresu> Flying-Penguin, let me know if that helps.
[10:15] <holycow> nite
[10:16] <eliUbuntu> Determinist
[10:16] <Flying-Penguin> thank you gyaresu
[10:16] <gyaresu> Flying-Penguin, anytime.
[10:16] <eliUbuntu> there is an sh script that mounts all drives automatically
[10:16] <Flying-Penguin> I will look at it, I am playing wow on my comp wile we speek
[10:16] <eliUbuntu> and mounts the ntfs as only read
[10:16] <Flying-Penguin> takes me longer to do stuff than it otherwise would
[10:16] <gyaresu> ubotu mouse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:16] <Slatibart> Q: i want to install ubuntu on a computer which only has a modem access. Therefore i would like to prepare a bit and find out which packages has been updated and download them before and add them to a local repository. how can i find this packages
[10:17] <ubotu> okay, gyaresu
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> want thel link to it?
[10:17] <anacron_> eliUbuntu: omg how can i get that?
[10:17] <gyaresu> !mouse
[10:17] <ubotu> mouse is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> brb, getting the link
[10:17] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, i know , it says it cant find any ntfs partitions
[10:17] <concept10> gyaresu, why dont you change that to intellimouse
[10:17] <Madpilot> anacron_: I'm not sure how 'lightweight' you'll find Opera, if FF is too heavy for your comp. try it, though...
[10:17] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, my problem isnt with mounting them , it's with finding them lol
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> really? the winmac one?
[10:17] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, bingo
[10:18] <gyaresu> concept10, cause there is no other !mouse
[10:18] <mgcross> gyaresu: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mdf2iso:
[10:18] <mgcross>  mdf2iso depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:  Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> wow... thats strange
[10:18] <mgcross> poop
[10:18] <Slatibart> Anyone an idea ? wiki wan't helpful yet
[10:18] <gyaresu> mgcross, did you './configure'
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> anacron here is the link nonetheless -> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[10:18] <anacron_> Madpilot: it's not "too heavy", but could be lighter, in windows firefox seems much lighter than in linux
[10:18] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, yeah :/
[10:18] <Computer__Guru> ubotu Computer__Guru is the mack-daddy!
[10:18] <ubotu> okay, Computer__Guru
[10:18] <gyaresu> mgcross, and see what that returns?
[10:18] <anacron_> eliUbuntu: thanks, i'll check it out
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> i also have dual boot and no problems
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> anacron: np :)
[10:18] <Determinist> it's driving me mad
[10:18] <mgcross> gyaresu: nope...didn't wanna cause probs...
[10:19] <Determinist> perhaps i dont have ntfs support or something?
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> !Computer__Guru
[10:19] <ubotu> [computer__guru]  the mack-daddy!
[10:19] <Flying-Penguin> gyaresu, to tell you the truth this is my server and it doesn't have my mouse, and I am playing wow in windows right now on my mian comp, so I will have to get back to you on if that helps :( but it looks like it will
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> :D
[10:19] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: that's one of the things we're not supposed to do to ubotu, I think...
[10:19] <Determinist> what packages do i need to have installed ?
[10:19] <hondje> Determinist: you do. what command did you use to mount it?
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> oh okay
[10:19] <mgcross> gyaresu: newbie, me, lol
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> ubotu forget Computer__Guru
[10:19] <ubotu> i forgot computer__guru, Computer__Guru
[10:19] <gyaresu> mgcross, s'aight.
[10:19] <mgcross> gyaresu: how would one do that...
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> ubotu, thank you.
[10:19] <ubotu> Computer__Guru: pas de quoi
[10:19] <Determinist> hondje, mate , you cant mount something that isnt in /dev/ and hda1 or hda2 are simply not there
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> i just used the winmac sh and kabaam it all worked
[10:20] <Madpilot> anacron_: haven't used FF for actually surfing in Ubuntu, but give Opera a shot. www.opera.com/download -- then select the Ubuntu .deb
[10:20] <hondje> Determinist: didn't fdisk -l just show them?
[10:20] <gyaresu> mgcross, so you know when you 'tar jxvf mdf2iso-.tar.bz'
[10:20] <Server-Penguing> thats better
[10:20] <Amaranth> Yeah, putting something about yourself in ubotu is as bad as putting something about yourself in wikipedia.
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> i manually loaded my vfat partition before
[10:20] <gyaresu> mgcross, then 'cd mdf2iso'
[10:20] <Determinist> hondje, it did, which puzzles me.
[10:20] <Slatibart> i want to find out which packages have changed since the last release and want to download them. i'm not running ubuntu at the moment.
[10:20] <Amaranth> If someone thinks you're important enough to have an entry in the bot, they'll put you in there with good info.
[10:20] <Slatibart> Where can i find help ?
[10:20] <gyaresu> mgcross, then always look for a 'README.debian' or somesuch.
[10:20] <hondje> Determinist: maybe it's a udev thing
[10:20] <Computer__Guru> Slatibart: is that supposed to be Slartibartfast?
[10:21] <Slatibart> yes
[10:21] <Slatibart> shortform
[10:21] <anacron_> Madpilot: do i have to get always deb files?
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> gotchya
[10:21] <Determinist> hondje, "ls /dev/ | grep hda" gives me only /dev/hda
[10:21] <gyaresu> mgcross, then './configure'
[10:21] <mgcross> gyaresu: hehehe...yes, I know, lazy me...
[10:21] <hondje> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt doesn't work?
[10:21] <Determinist> hondje, ok , so suppose it is , what am i to do about this? paint my puter blue and toss it into the ocean? lol
[10:21] <Server-Penguing> anacron_, you can use rpms... but you have to convert them using alien
[10:21] <Madpilot> anacron_: unless something's in the Ubuntu repos, yes.
[10:21] <gyaresu> mgcross, './configure' is looking for all the necessary bits and will complain if you don't have them.
[10:21] <Determinist> hondje, no lol
[10:21] <hondje> okay, you didn't say you tried to mount it, just that it's not in /dev
[10:21] <Ghetek> what port is ssh?
[10:21] <hondje> so, let's see...fdisk sees it, /dev dont
[10:22] <anacron_> Madpilot: okay
[10:22] <gyaresu> mgcross, have you compiled anything on this machine yet. do you have 'build-essential'?
[10:22] <mgcross> gyaresu: oic...installed from deb, you see
[10:22] <mgcross> gyaresu: i'll try from source
[10:22] <gyaresu> mgcross, there's a deb?
[10:22] <anacron_> Server-Penguing: thanks for the info
[10:22] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Opera 8 craps out on me also on that site " http://www.nrg.be/ "
[10:22] <hondje> Determinist: that just doesn't make sense
[10:22] <mgcross> gyaresu: yep...dpkg -i returned the above error
[10:23] <Determinist> hondje, i agree
[10:23] <eliUbuntu> anacron: also dont install some sh programs like realplayer 10... cause sometimes when you install they and they dont work, then have fun removing each installed object yourself
[10:23] <gyaresu> mgcross, right. yeah. it's a simple matter of compiling the source into a binary and the just using it on the mdf file you want to convert...
[10:23] <Nsaneice> He must have left. :)
[10:23] <hondje> well, at least you know you're not crazy :)
[10:23] <Server-Penguing> anacron_, np
[10:23] <eliUbuntu> i did that myself with realplayer
[10:23] <Determinist> hondje, notice tho that fdisk -l shows hda1 and hda2 as SFS system
[10:23] <eliUbuntu> was not happy
[10:23] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: do you have Flash installed? that site is pure 100% Flash...
[10:23] <hondje> oh, is that what 42 is?
[10:23] <rainingzigzags> what media player will play wma files?
[10:23] <Nsaneice> Yes I have flash
[10:23] <gyaresu> mgcross, no need to install just use it like a spanner :)
[10:23] <hondje> that's really wierd
[10:23] <hondje> what the hell is SFS?
[10:24] <Computer__Guru> im really liking some of the kwin decos im downloading
[10:24] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: open a new tab in Opera. type "opera:plugins" w/o quotes
[10:24] <Determinist> hondje, that ... i do not know
[10:24] <mgcross> gyaresu: hmmm, seems to want a newer/diff ver of libc6
[10:24] <rainingzigzags> anyone know?
[10:24] <Nsaneice> Heh, an now when I open Opera it goes to that site
[10:24] <Nsaneice> and crashes
[10:24] <Determinist>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:24] <Determinist> /dev/hda1   *           1        1275    10241406   42  SFS
[10:24] <Determinist> /dev/hda2            1276        7296    48363682+  42  SFS
[10:24] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: huh?
[10:24] <hondje> oh wait
[10:24] <hondje> SFS is secure file system
[10:25] <eliUbuntu> Self-certifying File System
[10:25] <mgcross> gyaresu: crap
[10:25] <mgcross> gyaresu: lol
[10:25] <gyaresu> mgcross, are you right to upgrade and have a go at compiling? (i'll go get some needles if so). or maybe not...
[10:25] <gyaresu> mgcross, *noodles.
[10:25] <rainingzigzags> anyone know what media player will play wma files?
[10:25] <Nsaneice> Flash checks out
[10:25] <mgcross> gyaresu: s'what I get for trying to fix a winblows box for someone who has lost their win98 cd
[10:25] <Nsaneice> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so
[10:25] <gyaresu> mgcross, is this a new system? have you enabled the extra repositories in sources.list?
[10:26] <Slatibart> Last try for help: I want to find out which packages have changed since the last release and download them without using Ubuntu. It's needed for trying out ubuntu on a computer with only modem access
[10:26] <eliUbuntu> wow, Determinist that is strange stuff you having going on your computer
[10:26] <mgcross> gyaresu: it's a p2 333 or I'd just put linux/gnome on it....
[10:26] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, dude , it's a standard winxp+hoary dual boot on a p4 2.4 , i have no idea what's going on lol
[10:26] <Slatibart> updating ubuntu would take hours with the small bandwidth
[10:26] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: that's from "opera:plugins"?
[10:26] <Nsaneice> Yes
[10:26] <mgcross> gyaresu: yes, I have...
[10:26] <hondje> 42 Linux swap (sharing disk with DRDOS)
[10:26] <hondje> 42 SFS (Secure Filesystem)
[10:26] <hondje> 42 Windows 2000 marker
[10:27] <aatim> just installed apache2 in Ubuntu, how would i know if mod_ssl is installed?
[10:27] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: odd. do other Flash sites work?
[10:27] <mgcross> gyaresu: lemme to an update...
[10:27] <eliUbuntu> Determinist: I have the same setup... my winxp is on hda1 and hoary on hda3
[10:27] <hondje> No clue
[10:27] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Not that I know of..
[10:27] <Determinist> hoary is on hdb here , winxp on hda
[10:27] <gyaresu> mgcross, /msg me if it goes pear shaped...
[10:27] <eliUbuntu> still trying to imagine how hoary decided that ntfs is sfs
[10:27] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Alot of sites crash like http://www.spencergifts.com
[10:27] <mgcross> gyaresu: ty
[10:27] <rainingzigzags> does anyone know what media player in linux will play wma files?
[10:28] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: i can't recall the specifics of enabling Flash in Opera in Ubuntu.
[10:28] <eliUbuntu> rainingzigzags, get the w32codecs and it should work
[10:28] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: I do remember that Opera's own help pages were shamefully out of date...
[10:28] <Nsaneice> Madpilot:  Screenshot of Opera and it's plugins http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot7ve.png
[10:28] <rainingzigzags> where would i get them at?
[10:29] <eliUbuntu> rainingzigzags, let me get you the page on that... brb
[10:29] <rainingzigzags> ok
[10:29] <gyaresu> !codecs
[10:29] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:29] <hondje> Determinist: having dug out the giant book o' fdisk I have determined that I have no clue :)
[10:29] <gyaresu> !tell rainingzigzags about codecs
[10:30] <Determinist> hondje, lol , thanks anyways mate
[10:30] <eliUbuntu> rainingzigzags, here is the link -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia?highlight=%28w32codecs%29
[10:30] <rainingzigzags> ty
[10:30] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, you can 'bang'codecs
[10:30] <sinferno> how can i find out info on a symbolic link
[10:30] <hondje> Determinist: only thing I can think of is to reboot and see if you find anything interesting in dmesg about hda or hal
[10:31] <Slatibart> I assume nobody knows the answer to my question ? Or am i overseeing rules and or procedures for this channel ? First time here
[10:31] <hondje> sinferno: what sorta info?
[10:31] <gyaresu> sinferno, 'la -l'
[10:31] <sinferno> gyaresu, thnaks
[10:31] <eliUbuntu> gyaresu, bang codecs... ponders on the meaning of that
[10:31] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: OK, Opera thinks it has all the right plugins. But mine doesn't crash when it runs into Flash...
[10:31] <hondje> Pointless difference
[10:31] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, ! == bang
[10:31] <eliUbuntu> ! == bang
[10:31] <ubotu> eliUbuntu: I don't know
[10:32] <hondje> time for sleep
[10:32] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, no. the exclamation mark is coloquially know as 'bang'.
[10:32] <gyaresu> Slatibart, let me read your previous question...
[10:32] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Did you use the package manager or manually install Flash?
[10:32] <Slatibart> thx gyaresu
[10:32] <eliUbuntu> !codec
[10:32] <ubotu> eliUbuntu: Are you smoking crack?
[10:33] <gyaresu> !codecs
[10:33] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:33] <eliUbuntu> !codecs
[10:33] <eliUbuntu> interesting response ubotu gave
[10:33] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: I'm trying to remember. I had a page of notes about Flash install, but junked it last week! doh!
[10:34] <gyaresu> !factoids
[10:34] <ubotu> somebody said factoids was at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:34] <eliUbuntu> !factoids
[10:34] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, you are doing it too soon after...
[10:34] <Madpilot> if you give ubotu the same command too quickly, it won't respond
[10:34] <Madpilot> and it'll tell you off in private...
[10:35] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, '/msg ubotu' and the type in the ones there to play.
[10:35] <bob2> you're welcome to talk to it in /msg, too
[10:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol is it mean when it tells you off?
[10:35] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, sorry 'play' came out the wrong way.
[10:35] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: I must have installed manually. none of the packages in Syn are installed...
[10:35] <Nsaneice> Okie
[10:35] <Nsaneice> then that is what I must do
[10:35] <Nsaneice> done it before in Slack
[10:35] <Nsaneice> thanks
[10:35] <eliUbuntu> gyaresu, its ok thanks for the info though :)
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> hmm, I've got two ntfs hard drives in this old machine and I can't seem to boot windows XP.  What the carp can I do...
[10:36] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: start here: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[10:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tiglionabbit thats when you need to get your self a copy of the knoppix cd
[10:36] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: and here: http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/index.dml#flash
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> well I've got a small debian install on it, but it's such an old debian I want to gut it and tear it apart =P
[10:37] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: but parts of Opera's own instructions are no longer working...
[10:37] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: NOTE: Macromedia Flash Player requires two font packages
[10:37] <Nsaneice>       to be installed, gsfonts and gsfonts-x11.
[10:37] <Nsaneice> Dirty..
[10:37] <gyaresu> Slatibart, so what's your situation? you have a warty install disk and want to upgrade?
[10:37] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: those are in repos
[10:37] <Nsaneice> yup yup
[10:37] <Slatibart> i have a cd from april
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> oh cool, I have those already
[10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tiglionabbit well the knoppix cd would help you to save the files that you want to keep then you can just dump everything and do it the way ya want to
[10:37] <Slatibart> want to install and i know i have donwload a lot of updates
[10:38] <Nsaneice> I will work on it thanks.   :)
[10:38] <Slatibart> this will take hours on a modem
[10:38] <gyaresu> Slatibart, TAB complete after typing the first couple of letters of someones name....
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yeah, I should probably ask my brother if I can back this stuff up on his machine for the moment...
[10:38] <eliUbuntu> in the 64 bit ubuntu can you compile 32 bit kernels? thinking about going for again... but hesitant
[10:38] <gyaresu> Slatibart, that way i get 'notification'. please.
[10:38] <mgcross> gyaresu: ty very much...went fine...geuess the deb had different deps??
[10:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tiglionabbit can't hert what kinda box is it that your redoin?
[10:38] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: no problem. Opera/Flash/Linux do work, I wish now I hadn't trashed my notes!
[10:38] <Slatibart> gyaresu: ok, and i'm now sitting on a big pupe without ubuntu and just want download the changed packages
[10:38] <gyaresu> mgcross, great news. let me know if you convert a 700MB mdf without segfaulting :)
[10:39] <gyaresu> Slatibart, "big pup"?
[10:39] <gyaresu> Slatibart, "big pupe"?
[10:39] <Slatibart>  gyaresu: pipe
[10:39] <mgcross> gyaresu: hehe...win98 is only 458 (bleah) megs of garbage
[10:39] <Slatibart>  gyaresu: big bandwidht :)
[10:39] <mgcross> gyaresu: lol
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> say guys, I've got both machines hooked up to the same switch, is there a way I can mount a hard drive from that one so I can look at it on ubuntu?
[10:39] <Nsaneice> Wow that was easy..
[10:39] <Nsaneice> Now for the test.   >:)
[10:39] <gyaresu> Slatibart, sorry Slatibart I still don't quite get where you are at...
[10:40] <sinferno> ok is uninstalling stuff with cedega as simple as deleting it from the virtual c drive/
[10:40] <gyaresu> Slatibart, "please explain" (ref: pauline hanson :: australian joke)
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> It was the Nerd, with the Sed Pipe, in the Unix Lab
[10:40] <sinferno> or is htat bad
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> I win at Clue!
[10:41] <sinferno> whats the best way to uninstall games that have been installed with cedega
[10:41] <Nsaneice> Well hot dog Madpilot, it works..
[10:41] <Slatibart> gyaresu: no problem. installing ubuntu needs updating because there are a lot of security fixes so on. The computer has only a slow modem. updating will take hours.
[10:41] <drcode> hi all
[10:41] <Nsaneice> In both Op and FF..
[10:41] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: cool, now write down how you did it so we'll all know! :)
[10:41] <gyaresu> Slatibart, so where's the fat_pipe come in? windows machine that you're on now or something?
[10:41] <drcode> any one here?
[10:42] <Slatibart> gyaresu: i have now have a fast acces to the internet and want to download the updates... i'm sitting now on a debian machine
[10:42] <drcode> I want to use 3d direct in vmware
[10:42] <drcode> 5.0
[10:42] <drcode> any idea?
[10:42] <gyaresu> Slatibart, and you can't use that connection for the ubuntu box?
[10:42] <anacron_> id like to get my videos running with my epia mini-itx :D
[10:42] <gyaresu> Slatibart, (sorry to ask the obvious)
[10:42] <gyaresu> Slatibart, the obvious tends to get overlooked.
[10:42] <Slatibart> gyaresu: no, it's my girlfriend computer and she lives 200km away from me :)
[10:43] <gyaresu> Slatibart, ha! right.
[10:43] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: I just used the .sh, hit enter to install, a for all web browser dirs, and n to not install it again
[10:43] <sinferno> whats the best way to uninstall games that have been installed with cedega
[10:43] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: that's the package off Macromedia's website?
[10:43] <Nsaneice> Yup
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> dunno sinferno, do they have uninstallers?  You could just delete them I bet
[10:43] <gyaresu> Slatibart, does the ubuntu box (that's 200KM away) work?
[10:43] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: cool, I didn't remember it being that complex, glad it works!
[10:44] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, thats what i have been doing, i was just wondering
[10:44] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, thanks for the input i feel better about doing it now
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> well, I haven't used it.  I was just trying to make a suggestion =P
[10:44] <Slatibart> gyaresu: i will go this weekend to her. with a fresh cd i got from ubuntu. and i don't expect any difficulties with installing
[10:44] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, lol, i mean theres no registry entries or anything so i guess they are just there
[10:44] <gyaresu> drcode, what are you trying to accomplish?
[10:44] <mgcross> gyaresu: wow...quick and fast...
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: do you have that "3rd party software" thingy in your applications menu?
[10:45] <mgcross> gyaresu: thanks again....CAnuck in Korea OUT!
[10:45] <gyaresu> Slatibart, and you want a list of packages you'll need...
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: apps -> system tools -> manage 3rd party software
[10:45] <Slatibart> gyaresu: i just want to bypass the hours of downloading and spending money for the internet connection... i renmeber that open office needs updating and that is a big packages
[10:45] <gyaresu> mgcross, nice one.
[10:45] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, no i dont
[10:46] <rainingzigzags> where would i get opera at? is it in one of the repositories?
[10:46] <Slatibart> gyaresu: a list of dpkg which have been updatedet since then and a way to download them directly
[10:46] <gyaresu> Slatibart, you could zip up the package cache of an already installed ubuntu machine. or get the list of packages from someone and wget them...
[10:46] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, is that bad?
[10:46] <Madpilot> rainingzigzags: not in repos. www.opera.com/downloads  then select Ubuntu
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: no, I was just wondering if cedega does that.  I guess it's just autopackage
[10:47] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, i dont have point 2 play, i guess that installs it, i dont like p2p
[10:47] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, i dont think its neccesarry
[10:47] <anacron> hurray i got bitlbee running on my own machine
[10:47] <gyaresu> Slatibart, there is bound to be a sensible way of doing that.
[10:47] <anacron> now i need to configure it :D
[10:48] <Slatibart> gyaresu:  that would be probably the option with access to a ubuntu machine. i'm still debian at home and only had a short test installation which is gone for the moment. if i would have more time this would be an option to do so
[10:48] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, i was actually wondering if i delete them from the symbolic link, does it affect the real files
[10:48] <NatF-UQI> depends
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: no, only hard links do
[10:48] <rainingzigzags> madpilot, how do i install it once i download it?
[10:48] <Slatibart> gyaresu: so probably you can provide me a list of changes ?? Or any one else
[10:49] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, oh, how do i trace a symbolic link
[10:49] <NatF-UQI> err.. i was told that symlinks can delete the hardfiles it just depends how u call delete
[10:49] <gyaresu> Slatibart, i should be able to. give me a second.
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: ls -l it
[10:49] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, thanks
[10:49] <Slatibart> gyaresu: sure :)
[10:49] <NatF-UQI> if a direotry is linked ie /home/nf/link to /var/links/ and u do rm /home/nf/link/ that will delete whats in the direcotry etc
[10:50] <gyaresu> Slatibart, 'apt-cache pkgnames >> ubunto_packages.txt'
[10:50] <Madpilot> rainingzigzags: "dpkg -i [name of file.deb] " - but PLEASE ask someone more experienced that me to confirm that!
[10:51] <rainingzigzags> lol i jsut started using linux a couple days ago
[10:51] <gyaresu> Slatibart, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/579
[10:51] <gyaresu> Slatibart, that's what i've got installed and i'm in australia
[10:53] <Madpilot> can someone with clue double check my dpkg info to rainingzigzags please?
[10:53] <eliUbuntu> rainingzigzags, you can enter the following in the terminal to find out more about dpkg -> man dpkg
[10:53] <eliUbuntu> it will mention all the info about it
[10:53] <gyaresu> Slatibart, i don't know but if you 'apt-get  -c=? -o=?' you should be able to do it from your debian box.
[10:54] <gyaresu> Madpilot, need help? (i havn't been following)
[10:54] <sinferno> anyone know a good link to get windows fonts? i keep finding them in .exe for some reason
[10:54] <Slatibart> gyaresu: that's more less everything installed including the security updates i guess ? would be nice to only find out the updates
[10:54] <gyaresu> !fonts
[10:54] <ubotu> fonts is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[10:55] <Madpilot> gyaresu: just don't want to give rainingzigzags bad info re: installing Opera's deb via dpkg...
[10:55] <sinferno> i dont want to install them
[10:55] <sinferno> i just want tff
[10:55] <sinferno> for my virtual windows drive
[10:55] <Server-Penguing> sorry to ask but I am a nub, does anyone think there will be a problem with this if I use it in xorg not xfree? http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/03/01/tilt-wheel-mouse/
[10:55] <rainingzigzags> that command worked but it didnt install anything it just unpacked it
[10:55] <Slatibart> gyaresu: i know apt-get for the standard stuff -c -o never tried before
[10:55] <anacron> how can i configure my bitlbee?
[10:55] <eliUbuntu> what command did you do rainingzigzags?
[10:56] <rainingzigzags> dpkg -i opera-static_8.01-20050615.1-qt_en_i386.deb
[10:56] <sinferno> gahhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:56] <gyaresu> Madpilot, rainingzigzags opera may break things.... that's the only problem. if it installs.
[10:56] <Madpilot> rainingzigzags: that should have worked. open a terminal and type "opera" w/o quotes
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> say, if I'm ssh-ing and run a graphical program, and it says "cannot connect to X server", is that a problem with the machine I'm ssh-ing, or one I can fix on my side and see the graphical program?
[10:56] <gyaresu> Slatibart, I only suggest looking into it. i have never done it.
[10:56] <Madpilot> gyaresu: it hasn't broken anything on my machine...
[10:57] <rainingzigzags> cool it did work
[10:57] <rainingzigzags> ty
[10:57] <gyaresu> Madpilot, gets a lollie.
[10:57] <eliUbuntu> gyaresu, you answered a question indirectly... but i have finally figured out something else
[10:57] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, ?
[10:57] <Slatibart> gyaresu: thanks for your help and patient so far. Looks like the problem is a complex one :)
[10:57] <eliUbuntu> i installed an ati rpm package via alien
[10:57] <Server-Penguing> can anyone help me with my qustion?
[10:57] <eliUbuntu> my fglrx drivers never worked since... now i know why
[10:58] <Madpilot> rainingzigzags, gyaresu: cool. glad it worked.
[10:58] <rainingzigzags> how would i make that a desktop shortcut now?
[10:58] <gyaresu> Slatibart, it's linux so it MUST be possible. ( the UP side of such a complex system)
[10:58] <mindspin> Server-Penguing: could you repeat your question please
[10:58] <Burgundavia> rainingzigzags, right click and choose create launcher
[10:58] <Server-Penguing> sorry to ask but I am a nub, does anyone think there will be a problem with this if I use it in xorg not xfree? http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/03/01/tilt-wheel-mouse/
[10:58] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, i'll look at your link.
[10:58] <Slatibart> gyaresu: it's only the question how is the proper trick .....
[10:58] <Server-Penguing> mindspin, ^^
[10:58] <Server-Penguing> ty
[10:58] <Server-Penguing> verry much
[10:59] <Madpilot> well, g'night/morning/whatever, everyone. I need sleep. 0205 here...
[10:59] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, you are just checking before you start hacking things up?
[10:59] <Server-Penguing> yah
[10:59] <Server-Penguing> I break linux to much :/
[11:00] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, as long as you 'cp /etc/thing/stuff /etc/thing/stuff.bak' for EVERYTHING then you can always just put the originals back.
[11:00] <Server-Penguing> true
[11:00] <Server-Penguing> thank you
[11:00] <taw> hello
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> cp -r
[11:01] <Server-Penguing> its probly easyer to fix a problem someone already has anywho
[11:01] <monteiro> if i install prelink the applications could run faster ?
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> er, cp -ra
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> monteiro: dunno, why would that be?
[11:01] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, (remember to TAB complete names so I get notified)
[11:02] <monteiro> tiglionabbit : i read it somewhere that could accelerate the system in case of programs that uses shared libs like gnome apps
[11:02] <taw> so a few questions about ubuntu ...
[11:03] <eliUbuntu> anyone ever used dma for the hard drive? if so, did it speed up your system?
[11:03] <gyaresu> taw, shoot. you'll get some answers.
[11:03] <Server-Penguing> gyaresu, sorry
[11:03] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, for what?
[11:03] <taw> does it come with nvidia drivers, precompiled mplayer, x.org's x ?
[11:03] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, oh. no.
[11:03] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : you need dma! :)
[11:03] <gyaresu> taw, yes.
[11:03] <eliUbuntu> monteiro , so it really does work though?
[11:03] <gyaresu> taw, next question :)
[11:04] <gyaresu> taw, there's even an nvidia 'control panel'.
[11:04] <monteiro> taw : xorg yes the rest you download with a program called synaptic, that will install and configure automatically
[11:04] <eliUbuntu> i initiated dma and didnt see any serious improvement
[11:04] <gyaresu> taw, i'm a debian boy. it's debian with bits that 'just work'.
[11:04] <taw> is it utf8ed ?
[11:04] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : i think, but the changes are minimal
[11:04] <gyaresu> taw, yes.
[11:05] <Server-Penguing> ahh!! darn allience!
[11:05] <eliUbuntu> monteiro , i thought the same... good to know im not missing out on anything
[11:05] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : you see dma working when you are copying files, and making things in your pc, your mouse breaks if dma is not activated
[11:05] <taw> can i get everything run without editing any conffiles ? (everything includes in particular X, mail daemon and network setup)
[11:06] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : the disavantage is that goes to cron.daily, all days he makes an update like slocate
[11:06] <gyaresu> taw, no. it's linux.
[11:06] <gyaresu> taw, :)
[11:06] <mindspin> ;-)
[11:06] <eliUbuntu> oh.. i just initiated dma one day and put it in the system to keep booting dma everytime i turned on the computer...
[11:06] <monteiro> taw : you see dma working when you are copying files, and making things in your pc, your mouse breaks if dma is not activated
[11:07] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : i've little ram, thats why i need something more to improve the speed of my system
[11:07] <taw> monteiro: t<tab> ;-) ?
[11:07] <mindspin> taw do you know an OS which does not need configuring?
[11:08] <monteiro> taw : i've done a mistake :)
[11:08] <eliUbuntu> but if you have one gig of ram... then it would not really do much... other than having dma for the dvd films right?
[11:08] <taw> mindspin: knoppix and windoze let me run gui without configuration
[11:08] <mindspin> even networking?
[11:08] <taw> otoh, debian and gentoo do not
[11:08] <mindspin> knoppix is debian
[11:08] <gyaresu> taw, knoppix doesn't let you get your 1280x1024@75
[11:09] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : running dvd's you need a dvd and a fast processor, and 128 ram :)
[11:09] <mindspin> and windows does definately not come with configured networking
[11:09] <Garrison> Anyone know of a table of available video modes for console framebuffer?
[11:09] <gyaresu> taw, 'lspci -vv' http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:09] <eliUbuntu> windows comes with spyware and viruses... yours truly
[11:10] <taw> configuring networking isn't that bad, but X ...
[11:10] <Garrison> All I can find is 0x*** and I need the actual decimal values
[11:10] <Hylas> Can someone help me out here? Is it possible to run an installed copy of Ubuntu without the /boot partition? Like a boot disk?
[11:10] <eliUbuntu> moneiro , thanks for all the info
[11:10] <monteiro> if we are going to see windows offers us a lot of things like virus and spyware ehhehe extra windows for free!
[11:10] <mindspin> there never was trouble with x on my machines, same as with knoppix (for me)
[11:10] <eliUbuntu> Hylas, yes you can use grub
[11:11] <Seveas> Garrison, use gcalctool to convert them
[11:11] <gyaresu> taw, nvidia-glx && nvidia-settings make it pretty easy. you still need to know your monitor type.
[11:11] <monteiro> Hylas : yes, but you need to change the location of the kernel_image and change the grub configuration
[11:11] <gyaresu> taw, the best bit is the wiki and this channel.
[11:12] <Hylas> I dont want grub though, just a floppy or cd that I can insert to boot ubuntu and if it's not inserted then boot windows
[11:12] <taw> gyaresu:  this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/580 ?
[11:12] <mindspin> taw: ubuntu is much more confortable when updating comes in play, much better as under knoppix hd-install
[11:12] <monteiro> taw : there exists an ubuntuguide.org that has many good things like installing video players, dvd rips and a lot of things.. see it
[11:12] <Garrison> Seveas; how?
[11:12] <MilitantDK> Hi again, google has some suggestions to get 3D to work on Ubuntu, f.ex. downgrading the kernel. my kernel is 2.6.10-5-686. how do I install an older one that will work with my ATI FireGL T2 (IBM T42P)?
[11:13] <gyaresu> taw, some geForce2 don't use the nvidia driver.
[11:13] <Seveas> Hylas, use grub-floppy to install grub on a floppy
[11:13] <monteiro> MilitantDK : does the ati drivers actually support your 3d card ?
[11:13] <Hylas> Where can i get a copy of that?
[11:13] <gyaresu> taw, that might have been some of the problem.
[11:13] <taw> last question for today, which iso is the most recent livecd ?
[11:13] <Seveas> Garrison, set it to octal, enter your number, hit enter, set it to decimal and read the decimal value
[11:14] <Seveas> Garrison, you need the scientific view (menu view -> scientific)
[11:14] <monteiro> taw : stable: hoary 5.04
[11:14] <Garrison> 0x317 would be 317 or 0317?
[11:14] <taw> gyaresu: the problem is where ? i have nvidia drivers set, but with some pain
[11:14] <Seveas> 317 when in octal view
[11:14] <taw> monteiro: debian derivate and i'm supposed to use stable ;-) ?
[11:14] <Seveas> it's 207 decimal
[11:14] <Computer__Guru> im back
[11:15] <Computer__Guru> had to apply a new style
[11:15] <Computer__Guru> now i need a more plastic looking icon set, heh
[11:15] <Garrison> Seveas; thanks, got it.
[11:15] <Garrison> 207
[11:15] <gyaresu> taw, all i can say is that unless you are a source_only person (gentoo) then this is the distro of the moment.
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> Seveas, I have question for you. someone was in here earlier with a problem about mounting his ntfs partition
[11:16] <eliUbuntu> when he did an fdisk it said it and sfs partition and not ntfs
[11:16] <monteiro> taw : in ubuntu is called stable, in debian is called unstable :)
[11:16] <Garrison> eliUbuntu: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd*# /mnt/mount.point
[11:16] <gyaresu> !ntfs
[11:16] <ubotu> [ntfs]  the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[11:16] <taw> so, i'll be back tomorrow, after the iso downloads :-)
[11:16] <taw> see you later
[11:16] <mindspin> yw
[11:17] <eliUbuntu> but he could not mount it, because ubuntu thought it was sfs... not ntfs
[11:17] <Garrison> eliUbuntu xfs? or sfs?
[11:17] <eliUbuntu> sfs
[11:17] <eliUbuntu> strange is it not?
[11:18] <Garrison> meh, dont know. try booting it in a windows box to see what's up with the drive
[11:18] <Garrison> is it normal for the making of a kernel to spit out warnings?
[11:19] <Garrison> I would figure it is, but better safe.. heh
[11:19] <monteiro> Garrison : yes
[11:19] <pippijn> hi all
[11:19] <guillem> Hi! which is the best way to install a free X-server in a windows machine so one can control an Ubuntu remote machine?
[11:19] <pippijn> are there linux kernel headers for the 2.6 kernel?
[11:19] <action09> Garrison  hi, are u Mr Garrison from South Park ? :)
[11:19] <guillem> pippijn, sure
[11:19] <pippijn> for ubuntu that is
[11:20] <pippijn> I want to install vmware
[11:20] <gyaresu> guillem, vnc
[11:20] <guillem> pippijn, just check synaptic
[11:20] <monteiro> guillem : vnc
[11:20] <Garrison> action09; some days, otherwise i'm just Craz3d
[11:20] <guillem> gyaresu, vnc is easy but slow
[11:20] <guillem> gyaresu, I'm talking about a local network.
[11:20] <pippijn> guillem: I find only 2.4 headers
[11:20] <eliUbuntu> adios people, off to sleep
[11:20] <gyaresu> guillem, you're running it from a windows box so your 'free' options are small.
[11:21] <pippijn> guillem: are they those in /usr/include/linux?
[11:21] <guillem> pippijn, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[11:21] <Garrison> guillem; add other repos. you should find 2.6.10 headers
[11:21] <pippijn> I will try that
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> wow, this is interesting, on an entire 50 gigabyte partition for windows, I only found 593 Megabytes of stuff I want to keep...
[11:21] <pippijn> one moment
[11:21] <pippijn> yeey
[11:21] <pippijn> guillem: thanks
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> I hope I'm not missing something...
[11:22] <pippijn> it was linux-headers
[11:22] <pippijn> not kernel-headers
[11:22] <Tomcat_> tiglionabbit: Was the same with me... I only needed some documents and videos... :P
[11:22] <gyaresu> !tell pippijn about sources
[11:22] <guillem> gyaresu, well it is not me, it is another guy :-). Btw, once he installed Cygwin but the installation of that seems not to be straightfordward...
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> heh, it's mainly because I dropped all that stuff onto the second hard disk
[11:22] <rob^> gyaresu, is that working?
[11:22] <guillem> pippijn, ;-P nice.
[11:23] <gyaresu> rob^, is what working? the 'bang' thang?
[11:23] <rob^> it should be ubotu tell <nick> about <factroid>
[11:23] <guillem> There is also the option of nxserver/client. That seems pretty compact. Anyone has good experiences with that? Anyone using freenx, besides?
[11:23] <Seveas> guillem, freenx rocks
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> !tell tiglionabbit about stuff
[11:24] <rob^> !tell rob^ about crack
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> !tell rob^ about things
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> lol
[11:24] <gyaresu> rob^, ubotu seems to think he's told pippijn about sources.
[11:24] <rob^> hmm
[11:24] <guillem> Seveas, really? I will give it a try. On the client side, are you using nxclient or freenx client?
[11:24] <rob^> !tell rob^ about msttcorefonts
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> ubotu doesn't like to repeat itself, even if you msg it
[11:24] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Are you smoking crack?
[11:24] <Seveas> guillem, nomachine NX client and freenx server
[11:24] <rob^> yeah, you can do it either way
[11:25] <Garrison> !tell Garrison about nonfree
[11:25] <Seveas> guillem, client on both windows and Ubuntu machines
[11:25] <tiglionabbit> like if one person /msg's ubotu, it wont let someone else /msg him about the same thing
[11:25] <guillem> Seveas, sweet- I've downloaded freenx_0.4.1-0alpha5_all.deb, it is safe to install that?
[11:25] <Trace> Hello, can anyone tell me how can i set microphone with amixer? i want set it to largest. sorry for my poor english
[11:25] <Seveas> guillem, I installed it from backports, works fine
[11:26] <Garrison> Trace; press m on it to unmute it.
[11:26] <Seveas> Trace, you can use alsamixer, it's simpler
[11:26] <rainingzigzags> is there a way to view someones cam on yahoo with linux?
[11:26] <Garrison> Trace: and use the arrow keys to change the volume (up and down)
[11:26] <guillem> Seveas, wow I have not yet included backpors repositories.. And I would like not to do if I can avoid it... so can I access the deb file directly somehow?
[11:26] <Trace> no, i must to use amixer, no X
[11:26] <Seveas> guillem, you can simply surf to the backports archive or enable backports, install freenx and disable backports
[11:27] <Garrison> Trace: Alsamixer doesn't use X
[11:27] <Trace> oh, sorry, i mean, i want to set it when i boot.
[11:27] <Garrison> Trace: it's a terminal progyg
[11:27] <Garrison> proggy*
[11:27] <Seveas> Trace, ah ok
[11:27] <Garrison> Trace; Oh.. I've been trying to figure that one out for a little while
[11:27] <guillem> Seveas, I really appreciate your help. Thank you very much!
[11:27] <rob^> !factoid
[11:27] <ubotu> I heard factoid is a list of commonly used factoids, found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[11:28] <gyaresu> !clue
[11:28] <ubotu> gyaresu: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:28] <rainingzigzags> is there a way to view someones cam on yahoo with linux?
[11:28] <Trace> Oh~~~, Garrison, when i use alsamixer, which item i should use? "Mic"?
[11:28] <Seveas> Trace, probably amixer set Mic 100%
[11:28] <gyaresu> damn bot.
[11:28] <Trace> thx!! Let me have a try
[11:28] <gyaresu> !tell gyaresu about clue
[11:28] <rob^> there, added it to the wiki page :)
[11:28] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, gaim-vv perhaps
[11:28] <rob^> !tell gyaresu about factoid
[11:29] <Garrison> Trace; yes
[11:29] <Seveas> rob^, gyaresu please don't play with the bot...
[11:29] <gyaresu> !clue
[11:29] <ubotu> gyaresu: I don't know
[11:29] <rainingzigzags> gaim-vv?
[11:29] <gyaresu> (you can set your own factoids?)
[11:29] <rob^> Seveas, was just wiking the bot
[11:29] <Trace> so, Mic item means to set microphone, am i right?
[11:30] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, google is your friend :) (it's not included in ubuntu yet)
[11:30] <Seveas> Trace, yes
[11:30] <gyaresu> Seveas, It's all in the name of helping.
[11:30] <^rob^> !search glade--
[11:30] <ubotu> ^rob^: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:30] <Seveas> Trace, amixer set Mic 100%
[11:30] <Garrison> Seveas; how do I reset the console fonts? there's an init.d script I think.
[11:30] <^rob^> hello
[11:30] <rob^>
[11:30] <Seveas> gyaresu, just ask someone anout the bot if you don't know how it works
[11:30] <Trace> thx!!
[11:30] <^rob^> does anybody know where to find glade-- package? - i am trying to compile gaiptek
[11:30] <rob^> Seveas, theres now a wiki page for it
[11:30] <Seveas> Garrison, probably a boot parameter :)
[11:31] <gyaresu> Seveas, I have and that's why i'm trying to programme some of the wiki entries in.
[11:31] <Seveas> Garrison, you need a boot parameter to set screen dimensions for the console
[11:31] <Garrison> Seveas; when you set the font/framebuffer, there's a command you can run to have it apply the changes
[11:31] <gyaresu> Seveas, do you know of ubotu's 'how to'?
[11:31] <Seveas> gyaresu, there are a lot of them in there already
[11:31] <Seveas> gyaresu, go to ubuntu.cc.com.au for a list of available factoids
[11:32] <rob^> ubotu tell Seveas about factoid
[11:32] <gyaresu> Seveas, yes. and the one i made wasn't in the list.
[11:32] <Seveas> Garrison, dunno about that, I never played with that beyond adding a boot parameter to get a 1024x768 screen
[11:32] <gyaresu> Seveas, the one that actually make the wiki usefull. IMO.
[11:32] <^rob^> glade-- ??
[11:32] <Computer__Guru> How do you put a button on a kde panel that you can put links to applications in?
[11:32] <tobi_> heya :)
[11:32] <gyaresu> Seveas, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WordIndex
[11:32] <tobi_> any idea where /etc/X11/xkb is gone in breezy ;) ?
[11:32] <Garrison> Seveas; yeah, I'm setting 1024x768 16bit. I want to get that little penguin back. :-D
[11:32] <mindspin> Computer__Guru: right click on panel,
[11:32] <tobi_> i know, the topic, i know... :)
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> mindspin: and then? add to panel, then what, cause ive been through them all and i dont see it
[11:33] <mindspin> wait
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> basically, i want a menu
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> besides the k menu
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> with links to apps in it
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> so i can order my apps by type
[11:34] <Computer__Guru> like Folders, Net, Graphics, Etc
[11:34] <tobi_> daniels: are you there :) ?
[11:34] <daniels> tobi_: 'course not
[11:34] <mindspin> theres an optio "spezialmenues " (in german) maybe "specials" or so in english
[11:35] <daniels> tobi_: oh, right, that.  sudo apt-get install xkeyboard-config.  if it's not in yet, just chill a couple of hours and wait for it to come in.
[11:35] <rainingzigzags> how do u install a tar.gz file?
[11:35] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, depends on the contents :)
[11:35] <Garrison> Building a kernel on a 900mhz laptop with 256mb ram is not advisable.
[11:35] <Seveas> rofl :)
[11:35] <rainingzigzags> gaim-vv
[11:35] <^rob^> rainingzigzags: tar jfz file.tar.gz - to unzip it
[11:36] <^rob^> rainingzigzags: gaim is in unbuntu package
[11:36] <Garrison> Been going for over an hour.
[11:36] <Seveas> ^johns^, j and z are mutual exclusive...
[11:36] <tobi_> daniels: thanks a lot :) gonna chill with copy and paste till then ;)
[11:36] <Seveas> and in this case it's zxf
[11:36] <Garrison> My 3200 box did it in 15 mins. :'(
[11:36] <Seveas> ^rob^, j and z are mutual exclusive...
[11:36] <rainingzigzags> ^rob^, not the gaim-vv for veiwing webcams in yahoo
[11:36] <^rob^> Seveas: nope z is for gz.
[11:36] <Seveas> ^rob^, and j for bzip2...
[11:36] <^rob^> yes
[11:36] <Seveas> zo you can't use them both
[11:36] <^rob^> he may note and use them ... ;)
[11:37] <Seveas> which you did :)
[11:37] <^rob^> oh - sorry
 rainingzigzags: tar jfz file.tar.gz - to unzip it
[11:37] <Garrison> Seveas; I always bunzip2 whatever.tar.bz2 and then tar -xvf it
[11:37] <Seveas> Garrison, that's just more work :)
[11:37] <rainingzigzags> tar: Conflicting compression options
[11:37] <Garrison> Seveas; exactly, the point of linux. You have to build your own kernel if you want anything that's even remotly special
[11:38] <^rob^> i can't find glade-- in unbuntu - any unofficial packages?
[11:38] <Seveas> Garrison, or ask for the thing you want to be available as a module...
[11:39] <Seveas> ^rob^, it's in ubuntu...
[11:39] <Garrison> Seveas; more like, I'm building a 120k kernel
[11:39] <^rob^> Seveas: where? - apt-cache yelled nothing
[11:39] <Garrison> Seveas; I've gotten it down to about 85kb before. ;)
[11:39] <Seveas> ^rob^, apt-cache search glade
[11:39] <Seveas> *lots*
[11:40] <Seveas> Garrison, that's not 'remotely special'
[11:40] <Garrison> Seveas; I'm aiming for certain things that aren't modularized to be so, and a few others to be included in the kernel
[11:40] <^rob^> Error running glade-- to generate the C++ source code.
[11:40] <^rob^> Check that you have glade-- installed and that it is in your PATH.
[11:40] <^rob^> Then try running 'glade-- <project_file.glade>' in a terminal.
[11:41] <^rob^> that's what glade gives if i try to compile gaiptek
[11:41] <^rob^> does anyone has succeded to compile gaiptek?
[11:42] <Seveas> hmm glade--
[11:42] <Seveas> i misread that
[11:42] <jcdubacq> hi
[11:42] <jcdubacq> is there a forum specific to ubuntu-x
[11:42] <gyaresu> goodluck tiglionabbit
[11:42] <jcdubacq> ?
[11:42] <Garrison> ^rob^; sudo apt-get install glade ?
[11:42] <^rob^> yes
[11:42] <Seveas> jcdubacq, ubuntuforums.org
[11:42] <^rob^> i have glade installed
[11:43] <^rob^> Garrison: i started that from glade
[11:43] <jcdubacq> I meant IRC forum
[11:43] <Seveas> ^rob^, try glade-2
[11:43] <catfox> any database guru's here? i've got a db design related question
[11:43] <Garrison> Ooh..
[11:43] <Seveas> jcdubacq, that's called channel :)
[11:43] <Seveas> and no, there is no special X channel
[11:43] <IceDC571> special X channel?
[11:43] <tiglionabbit> hm, if all I want to do is reformat something as ext3, which utility should I use?  (nothing graphical, the mouse on that machine duzn't work =P)
[11:43] <jcdubacq> ok, but when I say channel these days nobody understands any more. Thanks for the answer.
[11:44] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, mkfs.ext3
[11:44] <Garrison> tiglionabbit; sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd*#
[11:44] <mindspin> tiglionabbit: cfdisk?
[11:44] <Seveas> you'll lose all data on that drive though
[11:44] <^rob^> Seveas: glade-gnome-2 is already the newest version.
[11:44] <^rob^> there is no glade-2 package
[11:44] <Garrison> ^rob^ try glade-common
[11:44] <tiglionabbit> hmm, mkfs.ext3 seems to be linked to mke2fs on that machine
[11:45] <Seveas> ^rob^, pool/universe/g/glade-2/glade-2_2.10.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:45] <IceDC571> its glade2
[11:45] <Seveas> there is...
[11:45] <Seveas> IceDC571, not according to apt-cache :)
[11:45] <^rob^> glade-common-2 is already the newest version.
[11:45] <tiglionabbit> oh no, that's just the manual, never mind
[11:45] <Garrison> how about just 'glade-common' or glade-2 ?
[11:45] <tiglionabbit> anyway, thank you
[11:45] <IceDC571> theres glade-2, glade-common, and glade-common-2
[11:45] <Seveas>  ^rob^ do you have universe enabled?
[11:46] <^rob^> Seveas: i'll ck
[11:46] <^rob^> ha
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> mm, cfdisk, tasty
[11:46] <^rob^> no
[11:46] <Seveas> well, enable it :)
[11:46] <mindspin> -)
[11:46] <Seveas> ^rob^: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> or go to...
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[11:46] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> damn
[11:47] <^rob^> Seveas: i know how to add rep. i camed from debian
[11:47] <^rob^> ;)
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> it should be http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[11:48] <Seveas> !fprget sources
[11:48] <ubotu> Seveas: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:48] <Seveas> !forget sources
[11:48] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot sources
[11:48] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, catches on quick.
[11:48] <Seveas> ubotu sources is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[11:48] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[11:48] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Anyone tried one of the usb to serial adapters? any pointers?
[11:48] <IceDC571> Tsar_vonHumbug: what are you trying to run that neads serial?
[11:48] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Cisco router consoles dude
[11:49] <gyaresu> Tsar_vonHumbug, autodetected fine for me. (GPS)
[11:49] <Tsar_vonHumbug> sweet!! should be no problems then
[11:49] <IceDC571> lol, im glad that worked out i guess..
[11:50] <^rob^> ok i have universe enabled and apt-get cached - (almost 70%)
[11:50] <Tsar_vonHumbug> I'm wondering which device they show up as?
[11:52] <IceDC571>
[11:52] <flugh> i have 2 pcs i want to network. can i just use a normal blue network cable and go NIC to NIC, or do I need to get a crossover cable?
[11:52] <action09> crossover
[11:52] <action09> between 2 pcs
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> I'm not sure if mine is a crossover or not, but i was able to to it
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> *do
[11:53] <flugh> thanks. guess i need to stop by best buy on the way home
[11:53] <IceDC571> fck
[11:53] <Seveas> IceDC571...
[11:54] <to|m> hi, does someonoe installed MAYA with umbutu
[11:54] <gyaresu> IceDC571, family channel here...
[11:54] <IceDC571> Seveas: sorry.. i think im having too much fun tweaking xchat
[11:54] <^rob^> i've installed glade2
[11:54] <IceDC571> congrats!
[11:54] <^rob^> same error apppear - no glade--
[11:54] <Garrison> rebooting; have to test out the new kernel
[11:54] <IceDC571> oh
[11:55] <IceDC571> ^rob^: what are you trying to run?
[11:55] <Raptoid> slm..
[11:56] <^rob^> IceDC571: i am trying to compile gaiptek - the aiptek 12000U tool - my buttons are messed
[11:56] <^rob^> started glade-2, opened gaiptek.glade project
[11:56] <^rob^> compile give error that there's no glade-- in my system
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> how can you tell if something is a crossover or not?  It has a lot of things written on it.  "Type CM 24AWG 4PR 75(degrees)C (UL) E151955 CSA LL79189 CMG      ETL Verified TIA/ETA 568-B.2-1 CAT.6 UTP 500MHZ Cable Master B-4G7012"
[11:57] <IceDC571> ^rob^: i think you would need not only glade, but the dev package too
[11:57] <nightswim> look at the wires in the connectors
[11:57] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, the wires are in a different order in the plugs.
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> I can't see them
[11:57] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, then it probly isn't one.
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> but it worked as one
[11:58] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, if you've tried pluging it in and there is no light on the network port.
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> I just plugged it directly between a debian machine and an ubuntu machine, and ssh'd
[11:58] <IceDC571> ^rob^: have you tried libglade2-dev?
[11:58] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, then it is.
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> but it also works as a cable to just plug directly into my modem
[11:58] <^rob^> let me dpkg 1 sec
[11:58] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, yes. crossover do both.
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> oh
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> someone told me they didn't.
[11:58] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, swith is auto-sensing.
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> =P k
[11:59] <^rob^> ii  libglade2-dev  2.5.1-0ubuntu1 Development files for libglade
[11:59] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, old 'hubs' wont'.
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> thank you.    Does this work?
[12:07] <gyaresu> geoAnt, yes. your mike is on.
[12:08] <geoAnt> OK!  I'd like to get the lastest version of VLC (0.8.2) working on Hoary - backports doesnt have it, but the debian repos are availble here http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html
[12:09] <gyaresu> geoAnt, can i ask why?
[12:09] <geoAnt> Have tried these additions to sources.list but synaptic and apt-get don't want to play.  I can't handle having to install VLC by hand
[12:10] <gyaresu> geoAnt, define: "don't want to play"
[12:10] <geoAnt> VLC 082 has some specific things I want, DVB-S subtitling and compatibility with my Mac and windows versions, H.264...
[12:11] <to|m> ok, nice MAYA runs .)
[12:11] <gyaresu> geoAnt, 0.8.1 doesn't have those?
[12:11] <geoAnt> Don't want to play.... don't install.  apt-get doesn't pick up the archive.  I don't know much about how this works.
[12:11] <geoAnt> No, 081 is good, but I'm working on a satellite relay system and need 082
[12:12] <gyaresu> geoAnt, well aside from vlc is your sources.list configured properly.
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> man, I can just imagine a malicious linux user advising someone, who wants to mount their windows partition, to 'sudo mk2fs /dev/hda1'
[12:13] <geoAnt> sources.list - I've enabled universe and multiverse.  Nothing else.
[12:14] <gyaresu> geoAnt, up to you. backports has some fun stuff in it but...
[12:14] <gyaresu> geoAnt, so do you want to get the vlc source and then build a package?
[12:15] <hussam> how do you add a ubuntu cd as apt source from command line?
[12:15] <hussam> not with synaptic
[12:15] <geoAnt> The problem is building VLC requires you build all the deps, and life is too short for that.  Ubuntu and Synaptic is the first linux that solved that for me.
[12:15] <gyaresu> hussam, there's a command... i'll look.
[12:16] <snikker> hi, someone know what is the pourpose of  the directory "/.dev"  (not "/dev") ?
[12:16] <gyaresu> hussam, apt-cdrom
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> oh dude, wait a second here, is "lost+found" what ext3 calls journaling?
[12:17] <gyaresu> snikker, udev
[12:17] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, ext2 does.
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> but I mkfs.ext3 'd it
[12:18] <snikker> gyaresu: udev?
[12:18] <gyaresu> snikker, instead of devfs... it involves hotplug
[12:18] <gyaresu> snikker, aye.
[12:18] <hussam> gyaresu: all I have to do is "sudo apt-cdrom add" ?
[12:18] <gyaresu> hussam, or 'ident' it first...
[12:18] <geoAnt> Is building VLC and all the deps the only way to do this?  Can't I trick apt-get that the VLC repo can be used?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> and when I mount it says:
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[12:18] <tiglionabbit>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> unless I tell it a type with -t
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> (this is on an old debian system..)
[12:19] <hussam> gyaresu: what do you mean ident ?
[12:19] <gyaresu> geoAnt, i honestly don't know but if it needs certain versions then you will probably need those versions.
[12:19] <gyaresu> hussam, 'man apt-cdrom'
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> have I done something wrong here?
[12:19] <to|m> why doesn't save xvidtune my config I saved?
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> is this partition safe to use?
[12:20] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, no.
[12:20] <snikker> gyaresu: it's normal tha the content of the directory "/.dev" is (more or less) like "/dev" ?
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> what do you suggest I do then?
[12:20] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, bad superblock means the boot record is shazbot from memory.
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> what should I do?
[12:21] <hussam> gyaresu: thanks
[12:21] <wmealing> just wondering, in the ubuntu install, can it resize ntfs ?
[12:21] <geoAnt> OK, thanks for the chat gyaresu. I'll track down all the debs and go from there.
[12:21] <gyaresu> snikker, /dev/ is what's really loaded and /.dev/  are block devices that CAN be loaded (don't quote me)
[12:21] <gyaresu> geoAnt, good luck.
[12:22] <gyaresu> hussam, welcome.
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> wmealing: yes
[12:22] <gyaresu> snikker, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html
[12:23] <snikker> gyaresu: ok, thank for all infos.. :-)
[12:23] <gyaresu> wmealing, yes but remember... if it's importand then don't rely that it will go right.
[12:23] <gyaresu> snikker, welcome
[12:24] <gyaresu> snikker, i found out after upgrading my debian server.... not funny.
[12:25] <snikker> gyaresu: it's the same for me... i've got it after some updates, but i don't know what...
[12:26] <gyaresu>  snikker try googling '.dev', it doesn't work.
[12:26] <gyaresu> snikker, drove me nuts... devfs to udev made a big mess.
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> argh this is scaring me
[12:29] <Mitario> lo
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> I reformatted the thing to ext3, or so I thought, but it always prints out "NTFS: Invalid $Mft record 0" when I mount it
[12:29] <Mitario> am I correct that ubuntu has some new cool wallpapers shipped with breezy?
[12:31] <snikker> gyaresu: yes, "devfs to udev" on google make a mess...
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> can someone console me about this?  I think I'll go to #debian
[12:31] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, probably you want to change the partition type too with cfdisk
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> it says it's "Linux" now.  cfdisk doesn't list ext2 or ext3 in it though!  wtf
[12:32] <Seveas> partition type and filesystem can be set separately
[12:32] <snikker> gyaresu: now i go to lunch,,, thanx again,,, bye.
[12:33] <gyaresu> snikker, night. good luck.
[12:33] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, you've bj0rked you Master File Table.
[12:34] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, Did you want to nuke the whole drive or keep some partition on it/
[12:34] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, ?
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> keep some partitions..
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> like for instance the partition I was using debian from...
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> bleh forget it, I'll just nuke debian too, I'm not using it
[12:35] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, just use cfdisk to change the partition type
[12:35] <Seveas> that will not format your disk
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> it's such a screwed up netinstall anyway
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: what do I change it to?  I don't see ext3 among the options
[12:35] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, you can get it back you just need to fix the first 512KB of the drive...
[12:36] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, 'Linux'
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> it is "Linux"
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> lol, man if I could just boot my ubuntu live dvd on this thing...
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> for some reason it has a problem with that
[12:37] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, got a knoppix lying around?
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> nope..
[12:37] <Nameeater> whats the name of the package for apt-get if I want QT?
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> say, will a gentoo CD do it?  I've been meaning to try that distro out, but parted might not be fully compiled on it =P
[12:38] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, can you put that drive in any linux box at all?
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> gyaresu: nope..
[12:38] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, single drive machine?
[12:38] <mumbles> tiglionabbit, download knoppix and use qparted
[12:38] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, /dev/hda only?
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> I only have one linux machine around, and it's a laptop.  And that machine has two hard disks, but the other one is NTFS
[12:38] <edited> i think i have a knoppix live cd somewhere
[12:39] <gyaresu> edited, go over to tiglionabbit's place then... :)
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> I was actually reformatting this drive mainly so that I could pull the stuff off the other drive, to back it up, because that drive is noisy and defective
[12:39] <edited> lol
[12:39] <edited> tiglionabbit, where do u live?
[12:39] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, i'm pretty sure you've stuffed the 'boot sector'
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> it was /dev/hda1, and there's no /boot
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> used to be Windows C:/
[12:41] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, without a linux boot disk you'll have trouble.
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> er C:\
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> meh, I can write one
[12:41] <edited> get LFS!
[12:41] <IceDC571> wow, ^rob^ was trying to paste his code in my DCC chat, people get kicked for private flooding?
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> was trying to think how cheap I can possibly be, by perhaps installing things over a network rather than using a CD
[12:41] <edited> IceDC571, yea excess flood
[12:41] <^rob^> IceDC571: i'll use bastebin
[12:41] <^rob^> pastebin
[12:41] <^rob^> lol
[12:42] <edited> or his connection just couldnt handle it
[12:43] <edited> tiglionabbit, wat distro u thinking of installing?
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> edited: probably a couple of em, but after I back up my files..
[12:43] <edited> ooo
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> and send this other HD in for RMA
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> cuz it's too noisy
[12:44] <IceDC571> what is the difference between a PM and DCC chat, im guessing a dcc chat is more secure and its 'direct' to the person
[12:44] <edited> i have a 10GB space free on my hard drive for testing out distros, i might install gentoo
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> edited: I was surprised to see that, in the official guides for gentoo, the example install is like "I think I'll make the partition 2 gigs, but 1 is plenty for most users"
[12:45] <IceDC571> edited: so you're installing gentoo, eh? that would mean manually?
[12:45] <IceDC571> lol tiglionabbit
[12:45] <edited> tiglionabbit, lol
[12:46] <edited> IceDC571, yea manually over the network
[12:46] <edited> i think they have an installer you could download
[12:46] <IceDC571> edited: thats gotta be really, really painful
[12:46] <IceDC571> edited: they have vidalinux
[12:46] <edited> yea, less painfull then installing LFS
[12:46] <concept10> I cant believe xchat costs money on windows
[12:46] <edited> painful*
[12:47] <housetier> good the CDs have arrived :)