 @Tedster [am I not people? (:], join the welcome group for week, and tell me people read the group description ;)
 @Tedster [am I not people? (:], [Edit] join the welcome group for week, and tell me again people read the group description ;)
 @Fuseteam [join the welcome group for week, and tell me again people read the group descrip …], There's a welcome group, what?
 yes there is did not see it on the website?
 [Edit] yes there is did you not see it on the website?
 hmmm guess we got our work cut out for us
 the welcome group is @welcomeplus
 it is mostly to help people install ubuntu touch on supported devices and to well welcome them in the os
 [Edit] yes there is, did you not see it on the website?
 you probably won't believe what kind of a pinned message we ended up making and most people still don't read it 😂
 [Edit] you probably won't believe what kind of a pinned message we ended up making and most people still don't read either it or the group description 😂
 @Fuseteam [yes there is, did you not see it on the website?], I see. I've never spent any time on the website, I've just been lurking here for years, trying to convince myself to play with UT
 oh that's fun reminds me of how i got introduced to it
 [Edit] oh that's fun, kind of reminds me of how i got introduced to it
 A friend who's since left the group, it seems, played around with UT on his Nexus 5X back when that was relevant and showed me, I joined and now I'm still here (:
 maybe we should make a similar type of pinned message for this group as many may have their first contact on telegram rather than the site hmmmm
 @Tedster [A friend who's since left the group, it seems, played around with UT on his Nexu …], oh fun, that's phone i heard many tales about hehe
 @Tedster [A friend who's since left the group, it seems, played around with UT on his Nexu …], [Edit] oh fun, that's a phone i heard many tales about hehe
 @Fuseteam [oh fun, that's a phone i heard many tales about hehe], I also used one for a while myself
 The Nexus 5X was misunderstood, and also bad.
 But mostly misunderstood, and bad.
 "and bad" :p
 @Tedster [I also used one for a while myself], oh cool, how was your experience with it?
 I'm losing track of the years past. The version of Android it shipped with... It ran well.
 Anything more recent, it was garbage.
 interesting btw we're kinda overflowing now, maybe best to drift over to @ubportsOF
 @Tedster [Anything more recent, it was garbage.], heh i somehow expected that xD
 Only phone I've ever done anything custom firmwarey with.
 But... Yeah, it would run scarily hot... It generally performed much worse than the Nexus 5, which I used instead for a lot of things
 Oh! And battery life was great... And it bootlooped.
 [Edit] Oh! And battery life wasn't great... And it bootlooped.
 yeah those are the tales i heard of 😂
 Hmm using devel for pixel 3a.. supposed to have anbox but cant seem to get it to work..
 what error are you seeing?
[01:19] <ubptgbot> MyNameIsEarlB was added by: MyNameIsEarlB
 Hello everyone. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me which on screen keyboard comes installed on Ubuntu touch? … I seen an old video from 2017 of it running on a pinephone and the keyboard had suggestions that you could tap above it. Anyone know the name of this keyboard?
 [Edit] Hello everyone. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me which on screen keyboard comes installed on Ubuntu touch? … I seen an old video from 2017 of it running and the keyboard had suggestions that you could tap above it. Anyone know the name of this keyboard?
 it is the maliit-keyboard
 the suggestions are still working in the most recent update of ubuntu-touch
 Thank you, i just got myself a pinephone a few days ago and am running Debian on it. So far so good except I'm used you swiping to text and there's neither on mobian for the pinephone
 [Edit] Thank you, i just got myself a pinephone a few days ago and am running Debian on it. So far so good except I'm used to swiping to text and there's neither on mobian for the pinephone
 i am not sure if the ubuntu touch keyboard is usable on mobian considering it works with qt
 Should I get a Pinephone?
 then again work on upstreaming many ubuntu touch components to debian is underway
 from what i've heard if you are ok with tinkering a pinephone is not a bad choice
 [Edit] from what i've heard if you are ok with tinkering a pinephone is great
 @Fuseteam [what error are you seeing?], I would say it's most likely me having no idea what I'm doing..
 I remember someone claiming to host a website on a webserver on the modern in one...or was that a different fossy phone?
 Just tried adb install and file name and it just says waiting for device
 @Onp0int [I would say it's most likely me having no idea what I'm doing..], maybe, but it would help if you share the error message. maybe i can help you, but then again maybe its about my head xD
 Even though I am already in adb shell..
 @Onp0int [Just tried adb install and file name and it just says waiting for device], oh what does `adb devices` say?
 Shows pixel3a
 are you running adb from a computer?
 @Fuseteam [i am not sure if the ubuntu touch keyboard is usable on mobian considering it wo …], Alright, was just about to see if i could just install it and hoped it would work out of the box. … What does qt stand for?
 qt is a toolkit alternative to gtk
 @MyNameIsEarlB [Alright, was just about to see if i could just install it and hoped it would wor …], i'm not sure how the package is called btw, it might not be "maliit-keyboard"
 the keyboard itself is know as maliit keyboard tho afaik
 @Fuseteam [qt is a toolkit alternative to gtk], Alright thank you. I've seen qt around a few times, didn't realize what it was.
 @Fuseteam [i'm not sure how the package is called btw, it might not be "maliit-keyboard"], Ok yeah i found it on Google. Thanks
 @MyNameIsEarlB [Ok yeah i found it on Google. Thanks], great, glad i could help
 @Fuseteam [are you running adb from a computer?], Yes, running it from a ubuntu laptop
 @Onp0int [Yes, running it from a ubuntu laptop], you should use adb on your phone, anbox is like having an android phone on your ubuntu phone to an certain extend
 @Onp0int [Yes, running it from a ubuntu laptop], [Edit] you should run `adb devices` on your phone, anbox is like having an android phone on your ubuntu phone to an certain extend
 @Fuseteam [you should run adb devices on your phone, anbox is like having an android phone …], Thanks, will keep playing with it.
 Do wish this telegram app was better,  cant see what you are typing..
 you can't see what i'm typing?
 @Onp0int [Do wish this telegram app was better,  cant see what you are typing..], what telegram app are you using?
 @Onp0int [Thanks, will keep playing with it.], No, sorry, i cant see what I am typing while I am tryping it, keyboard covers the input field
 It is the telegram web app in the open store
 When Ubuntu touch released for redmi 4A  … Eagerly waiting to test
 So if i understand correctly.. Plasma mobile uses qt and gnome uses gtk?
 @Onp0int [It is the telegram web app in the open store], try teleports, it beta but it is a native app
 @MyNameIsEarlB [So if i understand correctly.. Plasma mobile uses qt and gnome uses gtk?], hmm yeah more or less
 ubuntu touch does not use plasma however
 it does use qt
 Unity?
 Is that what it uses
 unity was gtk based
 Oh alright
 unity8, now called lomiri is qt based
 Oh yeah i remember now. Looks way better than phosh and plasma imo
 fwiw qt apps can work on a gtk system, you just need to have the dependencies
 @MyNameIsEarlB [Oh yeah i remember now. Looks way better than phosh and plasma imo], i agree tbh xD
 I honestly didn't even know that the different desktop environments were fundamentally different. I thought they just changed the look of things. Now everything makes so much more sense lol. … Why there's completely different apps in plasma and gonna
 [Edit] I honestly didn't even know that the different desktop environments were fundamentally different. I thought they just changed the look of things. Now everything makes so much more sense lol. … Why there's completely different apps in plasma and gnome
 And the others
 same reason i suppose they use different toolkits
 but different goals is also a factor
 the reason the morph browser exists is because ubuntu touch's goal is to be convergent
 therefore its default apps should also be convergent
 all that said, i need to hit the hay now. hope i've been of assistence
 @BRAN_DARKUS [When Ubuntu touch released for redmi 4A  … Eagerly waiting to test], How long it will take for redmi 4A
 OK so far the teleports appeared is MUCH better!
 @Onp0int [OK so far the teleports appeared is MUCH better!], glad to hear
 @BRAN_DARKUS [How long it will take for redmi 4A], depends on the porter, as the work is done by volunteers is there is never a strict ETA
 the are two options: wait untill it is ready, or look for ways to assist the porter
 [Edit] the are two options: wait until it is ready, or look for ways to assist the porter
 @Fuseteam [depends on the porter, as the work is done by volunteers is there is never a str …], Just an guess for how long...so I ask....
 in either case it will be ready when its ready
 @BRAN_DARKUS [Just an guess for how long...so I ask....], nobody knows, not even the porter knows :P
 if nobody answers a question it is either because the people who know are asleep or nobody knows
 like right now it is 4AM for many of the active contributors
 as for me it is close to 11PM i need to get up in approximately 8 hours
 so with that good night o/
 [Edit] so with that, good night o/
 @BRAN_DARKUS [Just an guess for how long...so I ask....], youd probably be better off selling it and buying a phone thats already compatible.
 or forking over some cash to help motivate
 @MyNameIsEarlB [youd probably be better off selling it and buying a phone thats already compatib …], I trying for that...😅
 Hmm is there no do not disturb mode?
 pull down the sound indicator and turn on silent mode
 If you want to disable vibrations as well, tap the Sound Settings option.
 Does that also make it to where the alarm will not sound?
 no
 OK good :) thanks!
 Any port for Xperia h3223?
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 @agoraquando [Any port for Xperia h3223?], Sergio, please check the devices page, it's linked from one of the pinned messages.
 @klaartje_b [Sergio, please check the devices page, it's linked from one of the pinned messag …], Checked. It was close, but not enough.
 @agoraquando [Checked. It was close, but not enough.], ports are device specific, if its not on the list, you will need to build an custom image for your device
 Is there any chance that you guys, put Anbox natively in future builds
 @ImAdityaRajpoot [Is there any chance that you guys, put Anbox natively in future builds], Define natively
 @Flohack [Define natively], means pre installed
 the tools to install anbox is already pre-install
 [Edit] the tools to install anbox is already pre-installed
 it's a simple `anbox-tool install` away
 @ImAdityaRajpoot [means pre installed], not everyone wants it preinstalled … as mentioned, it is now easier to install by default on most devices
 @Fuseteam [the tools to install anbox is already pre-installed], well that was, I'm unaware of
 @Fuseteam [it's a simple anbox-tool install away], thanks
 @Javacookies [not everyone wants it preinstalled … as mentioned, it is now easier to install by …], I'm using OnePlusOne
 @Fuseteam [it's a simple anbox-tool install away], Is there any guide to follow, or just one command
 just one command really
 but remember that anbox is pre-experimental alpha
 @Fuseteam [just one command really], Great👌
 i mean experimental pre-alpha
 @Fuseteam [i mean experimental pre-alpha], Yaa, sure lot of bugs
 most of our experience can be summed up as "all the apps we wanted to run don't, but it works"
 also removing is a bit more complicated 😅
 @Javacookies [also removing is a bit more complicated 😅], 3-ish commands iirc
 @Javacookies [also removing is a bit more complicated 😅], [Edit] 3-ish commands iirc :P
 @Fuseteam [3-ish commands iirc :P], 👍
 also also there is a documentation for everything except removing https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 yeah, disable, delete desktop files, delete anbox data files
 badum tss
 @Fuseteam [also also there is a documentation for everything except removing https://docs.u …], thanks for the link
 👍
 @Tedster [I remember someone claiming to host a website on a webserver on the modern in on …], sure i think runing a server is possible on all them
[14:25] <ubptgbot> Grynkx was added by: Grynkx
 you can run a server on anything really, but without practical application
[14:37] <ubptgbot> Hyaakimaru was added by: Hyaakimaru
 Heyy
 I am new to ubuntu touch
 I have redmi 4x santoni
 And it support ubport ubuntu touch
 But anyone know how to
 Install anbox in it... Ik ubport doesn't have anbox support for santoni
 But anyone know how to port for it?
 what version are you on? what does `anbox-tool install` say?
 It says
 Santoni is not
 Supported
 nothing about the kernel?
 @Fuseteam [what version are you on? what does anbox-tool install say?], It is like 16.0x
 nah that's not the full version number, all ut devices are on 16.04
 @Fuseteam [nothing about the kernel?], Actually I had to again install android for my apps
 So I forgot about kernel version
 check in setting in the about section what version you are on
 [Edit] check in settings in the about section what version you are on
 or perhaps......are you on gsi?
 Gsi?
 i'll take that as a "no"
 Umm idk
 Should I install it again?
 But my important apps will stop working 😓
 what does the `software` section in about say?
 like open system-settings go to about
 I don't have ubuntu touch rn😕
 huh?
 I installed android again for whatsapp
 And
 Other apps
 i thought you said you tried `anbox-tool install`
 Yeah I tried
 It
 Actually I installed Ubuntu touch from
 oh whatsapp won't have notifications in anbox atm
 Ubport installer
 And After that I tried
 anbox-tool install
 This
 yes but which channel did you use? stable? rc? development?
 But it said "
 @Fuseteam [yes but which channel did you use? stable? rc? development?], Stable
 Yeah it was stable
 But Anbox not working so I installed android again
 ah there is a change in development that would tell you if your kernel has the correct patches rather than if your specific device model is supported or not
 it will arrive in stable in a few weeks
 but if you rely on android apps, anbox may not be suitable for you atm
 @Fuseteam [ah there is a change in development that would tell you if your kernel has the c …], Official website of ubport says it supports ubuntu touch
 @Fuseteam [but if you rely on android apps, anbox may not be suitable for you atm], I only use about 2-3 apps which are important... Like whatsapp
 @Hyaakimaru [Official website of ubport says it supports ubuntu touch], ubports is the community behind ubuntu touch yes
 @Fuseteam [ubports is the community behind ubuntu touch yes], Yeah
 @Hyaakimaru [I only use about 2-3 apps which are important... Like whatsapp], whatsapp in anbox will not have voice calls, video calls or notifications for example
 Ohh
 😕
 because well, anbox is experimental pre-alpha and thus does not have any hardware access atm
 tho voice calls may work if mic access works not sure, you may miss voice calls
 [Edit] tho voice calls may work if mic access works not sure, but you may miss voice calls
 Sed life... But there are not much linux os for mobile better thn ubuntu touch, ryt?
 not at the moment no
 @Fuseteam [tho voice calls may work if mic access works not sure, but you may miss voice ca …], Who cares about voice calls... But Video calls
 kinda wish whatsapp supported ubuntu touch
 Yeah
 @Hyaakimaru [Who cares about voice calls... But Video calls], yeah no camera access means no video calls
 @Hyaakimaru [Yeah], only if we could convince whatsapp to support ubuntu touch
 I think I should drop Idea to install Ubuntu touch
 @Fuseteam [only if we could convince whatsapp to support ubuntu touch], But we need more ubuntu users
 For that
 Because They supported for Microsoft in past
 and thus the loop starts again
 But when Microsoft lost users
 They removed it
 no they dropped microsoft because microsoft dropped themselves
 i mean they dropped windows phone because microsoft dropped windows phone, its an unsupported operating system
 the story is different with ubuntu touch
 is it supported and it i think there were somewhere between 1k and 10k users
 [Edit] it is supported and it i think there were somewhere between 1k and 10k users
 Ohh
 Maybe
 But Isn't there another way
 To
 Run android apps... Except mulit rom
 tbh the best way is to convince the android developers to support ubuntu touch
 😅😅
 True
 i once did send a mail to whatsapp to support ubuntu touch
 i only got a general answer
 [Edit] i only got a generic answer
 We should write
 Petition
 yeah new petition might be an idea
 [Edit] yeah a new petition might be an idea
 Yeah
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> Petition is a good idea
 Wait, new petition? It means they already sent petition before?
 the question is how do we reach the people who want ubuntu touch but don't due to missing whatsapp
 yes but as you can see it didn't get enough visibility
 WA wants a million users to support a platform
 better to just stop using WA
 like 300 or so signed the first time
 it was also badly written
[15:11] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> million is a big number.
 indeed it is
 @Golden Monk [million is a big number.], What if they start supporting to pinephone?
 Plus: there is also a group of users who use UT more as privacy/degoogled iPhone.
 *phone
 i dunno about million, nokia s40 didn't have a million users did it?
[15:12] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> wish I knew million people. 😂
 @Fuseteam [i dunno about million, nokia s40 didn't have a million users did it?], probably did
 @Fuseteam [i dunno about million, nokia s40 didn't have a million users did it?], I don't think nso
 So*
 or windows phone.......then again microsoft has a million dollars anyway :p
 But listen
 Whatsapp is working on
 Feature to
 well yeah, you can also pay them. but we can't of course
 Run whatsapp web
 whatsapp web does work btw
 Without internet on primary phone
 billion dollar company though, of course can
 @Fuseteam [whatsapp web does work btw], Yeah they have client apps on store
[15:14] <ubptgbot> КАКАРОТ was added by: КАКАРОТ
 @Hyaakimaru [Yeah they have client apps on store], an unofficial webapp yes
 no camera access tho
 @Fuseteam [an unofficial webapp yes], Yes
 @Fuseteam [no camera access tho], But developer can fix it
 https://open-store.io/app/alefnode.whatsweb
 yeah it is being worked on
 but it is not trivial to fix
 Yeah I saw this version
 its currently the closest we got to whatsapp on ut :p
 😕
 hello i have  chance  to bay Xiaomi Mi A2 … but how to know is with JDI display  or not
 @Fuseteam [its currently the closest we got to whatsapp on ut :p], Well that and fluffychat, but you need to set up your own matrix server that way
 @КАКАРОТ [hello i have  chance  to bay Xiaomi Mi A2 … but how to know is with JDI display  o …], Search on google ig
 google not help much whan use  JDI display
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Well that and fluffychat, but you need to set up your own matrix server that way], i don't trust the matrix way yet tbh, iirc there's the chance the account could get banned from whatsapp
 @КАКАРОТ [google not help much whan use  JDI display], i think you can ask the guys in t.me/shoukolab they have more experience with that
 @Fuseteam [i don't trust the matrix way yet tbh, iirc there's the chance the account could …], Thats not really a problem with the matrix way, just how these other companys choose to administrate there platforms.
 With that being said, I haven't been banned from discord or facebook for using Fluffychat!
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Thats not really a problem with the matrix way, just how these other companys ch …], it is a risk to the user has to take tho
 facebook really?
 discord actually doesn't mind if you use a bridge afaict
 as long as you don't spam their api
 @Fuseteam [facebook really?], I use facebook messanger and Instagram messanger through fluffychat
 oh i did not know that was possible
 are you puppeting facebook and instagram?
 and discord for that matter 🤔
 (Photo, 243x185) https://irc.ubports.com/8jS0uIUQ.png
 i take that to mean "yes" :P
 are you selfhosting?
 wait that facebook bridge bot doesn't look like its puppeting 🤔
 The server I message from, no, but I do self host the bridges
 oh interesting
 didn't know you could selfhost just the bridges
 (Photo, 226x88) https://irc.ubports.com/BlQ8fqxr.png
 You have to self host an entire matrix, but I only use that matrix for puppets exclusively, because I dont have the confidence in myself or will power to keep everything up to date all the time.
 oh that makes sense
 Yeah, so you can't sign up, and the bots only whitelist my username and host, so you shouldn't be able to activate a bridge with my bots unless you specifically ask me and I set it up to do that for you.
 that also keeps the server optimized, nice
 Thats nothing against people using my server for that, it's just that I'm only paying a small amount for hosting, so I don't want to get a sudden influx, and also if I update it, sometimes it takes a while to get back up, and if people need it, and it breaks or something, then they'll be relying on me, if they're cool then its f
[15:27] <ubptgbot> ine, but if they needed the bot, I'm not getting paid so I dont need the angry messages :')
 yeah it's completely understandable 😂
 or you should offer a paid service muhehehehehe
 angry messages commence
 [Edit] angry messages initiated
 If it pays the bills, or gets me an extra coffee or two every now and again, then I dont mind that!
 xD
 @mateosalta [sure i think runing a server is possible on all them], Modem** gah
 xiomi mi a2  IPS display is that ok for ubuntu touch ?
 @КАКАРОТ [xiomi mi a2  IPS display is that ok for ubuntu touch ?], no idea ask in the group i linked, they know more about the xiaomi mi a2
 @КАКАРОТ [xiomi mi a2  IPS display is that ok for ubuntu touch ?], Yeah its okay
 great
 Is the port for the OnePlus one stable?
 Like are there bugs that might stop you from using UT as a daily driver?
 @TheVancedGamer [Is the port for the OnePlus one stable?], I use it as my only phone.
 @TheVancedGamer [Like are there bugs that might stop you from using UT as a daily driver?], depends on your usecase, the overal state can be seen on devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/bacon
[16:33] <ubptgbot> ming xing was added by: ming xing
 @Fuseteam [depends on your usecase, the overal state can be seen on devices.ubuntu-touch.io …], Thank you :)
 @klaartje_b [I use it as my only phone.], You use Ubuntu touch as daily driver?
 @Hyaakimaru [You use Ubuntu touch as daily driver?], Yes, many people do
 But if you have requirements that it doesn't meet, you don't have to
 I used to
 But how they use android apps? Or they just don't use
 Then my OPO fell out my pocket
 @Hyaakimaru [But how they use android apps? Or they just don't use], Just don't
 Tbh
 @Hyaakimaru [But how they use android apps? Or they just don't use], Don't use
 Oh
 I use telegram web, SoundCloud web
 Some fun games on open store
 I like the Idea of ubuntu touch but..   it doesn't support many
 Apps I use as daily driver
 @amyosx [I use telegram web, SoundCloud web], For that you need host app
 No?
 Webber
 Like when you switch from Android to iOS, you might need to change your habits in order to use Ubuntu Touch. Just... more habits than with the main platforms.
 If you don't want to do that, that's fine.
 Only WhatsApp you need that hell
 @amyosx [Only WhatsApp you need that hell], Thats what I am talking about 😂
 @UniversalSuperBox [Like when you switch from Android to iOS, you might need to change your habits i …], True, but Iphone support many apps we use in Android like whatsapp, Telegram, DJI apps
 Etc
 Yes, you are not saying anything that all 3000 people in this group don't already know. :)
 🙂
 Yup
 Telegram works (teleports or a web app)
 Web app does not need another phone
 you can use android as secondary phone if you really want to use UT
 @amyosx [Web app does not need another phone], For whatsapp they do
 @Hyaakimaru [For whatsapp they do], Only whatsapp
 Cause Facebook
 @Hyaakimaru [True, but Iphone support many apps we use in Android like whatsapp, Telegram, DJ …], telegram does support ubuntu touch
 @Javacookies [you can use android as secondary phone if you really want to use UT], Or dual boot in some
 and whatsapp is not the only webapp around xD
 @Fuseteam [telegram does support ubuntu touch], but We need host app for that
 And it support web client
 I never used WhatsApp in the first place... all I'm missing is a good app for Signal, but that is underway. Axolotl is in very active development at the moment. … Teleports works fine as a Telegram client.
 @Hyaakimaru [but We need host app for that], no we do not
 @amyosx [Cause Facebook], Facebook is shit tbh
 @amyosx [Or dual boot in some], or that, though there's no official solution for that yet
 @Fuseteam [no we do not], You sure 😨
 ?
 do not conflate whatsapp with all webapps, whatsapp is only of few that require a host, telegram does not, soundcloud does not
 You don't need a host app to use TELEports or any Telegram webapp.
 @Javacookies [or that, though there's no official solution for that yet], Yeah... If I use ubport installer thn it will not allow dual boot
 @Javacookies [or that, though there's no official solution for that yet], MultiROM works on bacon
 @Hyaakimaru [Facebook is shit tbh], it is but you can't escape it if everyone you know use it 😅
 With patches
 and teleports is a native client for telegram btw ;)
 @Javacookies [it is but you can't escape it if everyone you know use it 😅], They made us habitual
 @amyosx [MultiROM works on bacon], on Nexus 5 as well, easy to install but hard to reflash 😅
 @Fuseteam [and teleports is a native client for telegram btw ;)], I will try it thn... Finally good news
 btw in case the news didn't reach, whatsapp is working on making whatsapp web standalone
 @Fuseteam [btw in case the news didn't reach, whatsapp is working on making whatsapp web st …], Yeah they are...
 it is able to do video calls appearently on the desktop
 @Fuseteam [it is able to do video calls appearently on the desktop], On desktop it works fine
 so with a lot of work whatsweb could a possible replacement
 and i mean a lot of work
 [Edit] and i mean a lot of work :P
 unfortunately, there are times you need something that UT can't do yet so may be better to have a backup iPhone/Android phone … recently, I had a similar situation 😆
 @Fuseteam [so with a lot of work whatsweb could a possible replacement], Many People will think to migrate to ubuntu touch after that
 @Javacookies [unfortunately, there are times you need something that UT can't do yet so may be …], yeah there are some situations like that
 @Hyaakimaru [Many People will think to migrate to ubuntu touch after that], It won't be like a mass exodus or anything, we can't set the expectations too high.
 @Javacookies [unfortunately, there are times you need something that UT can't do yet so may be …], I can't even call with my Sim card while using Ubuntu touch because that sim card only call with voLTE
 @UniversalSuperBox [It won't be like a mass exodus or anything, we can't set the expectations too hi …], Yeah but still a lil bit
 @Hyaakimaru [Many People will think to migrate to ubuntu touch after that], who knows, you mentioned need 3 apps not 1 remember? just whatsapp won't be enough :P
 but for many years, I use UT exclusively … I have an android phone now because I thought I can use UT on it but it was discontinued before I can even try 😂
 lol
 @Fuseteam [who knows, you mentioned need 3 apps not 1 remember? just whatsapp won't be enou …], Dji apps are exception... Because people usually buy secondary phone for drones
 You could use whatsapp with a XMPP client
 (I think that's the spelling)
 @Hyaakimaru [Dji apps are exception... Because people usually buy secondary phone for drones], DJi? like Disk Jockey Inc?
 @Hyaakimaru [I can't even call with my Sim card while using Ubuntu touch because that sim car …], that really worries me, my country will most likely be late on that regard but it will definitely affect many UT users
 @Javacookies [but for many years, I use UT exclusively … I have an android phone now because I t …], Sad😅
 @Fuseteam [DJi? like Disk Jockey Inc?], The drone company
 @Fuseteam [DJi? like Disk Jockey Inc?], DJI is drone company
 ah
 Yeah... Actually I repair drone
 So I need that app
 @TheVancedGamer [You could use whatsapp with a XMPP client], that was the case but whatsapp are rather strict, they have banned third party clients in the past
 @Hyaakimaru [So I need that app], But Yeah I can use desktop for that
 @Fuseteam [that was the case but whatsapp are rather strict, they have banned third party c …], There is a client for that that still works
 if it only needs network access, i think it could work with anbox 🤔
 @TheVancedGamer [There is a client for that that still works], still risky for new users
 Even Sailfish OS doesn't support, ryt?
 oh hey sailfish, good point
 wonder how many people are users of sailfish and ut combined 🤔
 Idk... 😕
 I never saw user of sailfish
 Os
 Here In my country there aren't much user because of ofc voLTE
 well there are 3k users here lemme see how the sailfish group compares lol
 Lol
 Check!
 I feel like there are more Sailfish users
 i don't think their active on telegram
 their news channel plus @sailfishos amounts to around 1k lol
 @Javacookies [I feel like there are more Sailfish users], same
 and even if whatsapp decides to support sailfish, its not like they'll just support ut while they're at it 😂
 @Fuseteam [their news channel plus @sailfishos amounts to around 1k lol], Lol
 We are just unlucku
 Unlucky*
 use the power of your name :^3
 Its just a name😔
 boo
 Thats why there is not even official support of sailfish for my phone
 @Hyaakimaru [I never saw user of sailfish], I can stretch my arm out and touch one!
 not really :p
 there we go heh
 @klaartje_b [I can stretch my arm out and touch one!], Is he ur homie?
[17:05] <ubptgbot> Jerdna was added by: Jerdna
 @Hyaakimaru [Is he ur homie?], You know what, I'll go with 'yes'. 😂
 😂
 Thats great
 How he use apps?
 Or even he have secondary phone?
 He doesn't really use the smartphone... he carries a feature phone.
 He is the lucky one
 He mostly uses his laptop, like I do. Signal, Telegram and everything else.
 @klaartje_b [He mostly uses his laptop, like I do. Signal, Telegram and everything else.], Thats what I am thinking
 Like
 Installing UT on phone
 And using laptop for
 Typing on a phone is a pain and viewing the web on a phone is like looking outside through the mail slot. 😜
 Whatsapp or telegram
 @klaartje_b [Typing on a phone is a pain and viewing the web on a phone is like looking outsi …], Yeah😅
 But using laptop whole time is also pain
 @klaartje_b [Typing on a phone is a pain and viewing the web on a phone is like looking outsi …], i wonder how much improved it would be with a japanese style 12 key keyboard
 @Hyaakimaru [But using laptop whole time is also pain], I like my laptop. It sits on my lap, it's warm and it purrs. Like a cat.
 @Fuseteam [wonder how many people are users of sailfish and ut combined 🤔], I use sfos now and then :P
 @klaartje_b [I like my laptop. It sits on my lap, it's warm and it purrs. Like a cat.], Lol
 @klaartje_b [Typing on a phone is a pain and viewing the web on a phone is like looking outsi …], UT is fun to use on a tablet 😄 … better for viewing and multitaskin, although typing is more painful 😅
 @Javacookies [UT is fun to use on a tablet 😄 … better for viewing and multitaskin, although typ …], I use Ubuntu as my primary OS on laptop
 And yeah its amazing
 @Javacookies [UT is fun to use on a tablet 😄 … better for viewing and multitaskin, although typ …], Soon. We 'just' need to hack our way in despite the FRP lock.
 @Javacookies [UT is fun to use on a tablet 😄 … better for viewing and multitaskin, although typ …], How about a BT keyboard?
 try to search on youtube … that's how I was able to reset a samsung tablet 😄
 @Javacookies [try to search on youtube … that's how I was able to reset a samsung tablet 😄], Thanks, I will!
 @klaartje_b [How about a BT keyboard?], that's fine when I use it on a table but I hold it more often with 2 hands
 @Javacookies [that's fine when I use it on a table but I hold it more often with 2 hands], Makes sense.
 @klaartje_b [How about a BT keyboard?], pinephone with keyboard
 pinephone keyboard back/cover with NFC, Qi, and extra battery == now it's a laptop
 a very small laptop 😄
 palmtop
 probably about the same size as my old fujitsu u820
 ubport installer work on  Xiaomi Mi A2  or need another way ?
 with some more pixels
 @dohbee [pinephone keyboard back/cover with NFC, Qi, and extra battery == now it's a lapt …], Pinephone with better specs when?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/mg0jek8e.webp
 I personally prefer a smaller and slide out keyboard … though, I must say, I don't really look much for a physical keyboard on phones
 @КАКАРОТ [ubport installer work on  Xiaomi Mi A2  or need another way ?], Do you have a jdi panel?
 @Javacookies [I personally prefer a smaller and slide out keyboard … though, I must say, I don't …], well i can't replace my main phone with it anyway, so having it as a palmtop would probably be better
 touch screen nvt-ts
 @dohbee [palmtop], Like a Psion.
 @КАКАРОТ [touch screen nvt-ts], send a screenshot
 of what ?hw
 @Javacookies [I personally prefer a smaller and slide out keyboard … though, I must say, I don't …], Are physical keyboards supported? Which ported phone has one?
 @КАКАРОТ [of what ?hw], yes, that app
 @ee [Are physical keyboards supported? Which ported phone has one?], cosmo communicator and fxtec pro 1
 pinetab
 @ee [Are physical keyboards supported? Which ported phone has one?], wired and BT keyboards are supported … and Rodney mentioned the known devices with built-in physical keyboard
[17:29] <ubptgbot> Antishitstorm14Bot was removed by: UniversalSuperBox
[17:29] <ubptgbot> AntishitstormBot was removed by: UniversalSuperBox
 They haven't done anything recently.
 hmm, i guess not 🤷♀
 @dohbee [palmtop], are we allowed to call it a "palmtop" 😂
 yes
 @Javacookies [wired and BT keyboards are supported … and Rodney mentioned the known devices with …], Excellent. Thanks!
[18:16] <ubptgbot> myshoppoo was added by: myshoppoo
 @dohbee [yes], well then imma call all ut devices palmtops from now on xD
 they don't all have keyboards though
 you make a point 👀
 (Photo, 318x211) https://irc.ubports.com/IMcQhebu.png I have this one somewhere... I bought it for a motorbike trip through Africa. It performed fine, mostly for email.
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], aha! it is because it is scaled! i wonder if this is fixable in the container
[18:41] <ubptgbot> Synt4x93 was added by: Synt4x93
 @klaartje_b [<reply to media>], Did you have the dock for it too? Great device
 @Synt4x93 [Did you have the dock for it too? Great device], No, just a charger, stylus and a PCMCIA modem. It could dial in!
 @klaartje_b [No, just a charger, stylus and a PCMCIA modem. It could dial in!], Very nice, wish I had the modem card back then lol
[20:11] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/DfbkNh6K.png
 0.8.8 is the latest. Download from Gitlab
 wonder why it didn't publish to snap store
[20:48] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Stereofont [0.8.8 is the latest. Download from Gitlab], Indeed. But snap can not be updated via the repositories... It was just to inform...
 @dohbee [wonder why it didn't publish to snap store], Looks like it published but I can't promote it
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[21:50] <ubptgbot> C0d4ry was added by: C0d4ry


[00:53] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: You around?
[03:28] <Chat7378> Hi friends
[08:40] <Quintasan> Hi
[08:42] <debfx> Riddell: and the medibuntu maintainer disagrees with that?
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:19] <Riddell> debfx: the medibuntu maintainer was perfectly happy for me to take it over last I heard
[09:20] <Riddell> I told him it couldn't host anything non-free or not very useful
[09:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where art thou
[09:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: in the solid bof room
[09:21] <shadeslayer> oh, room number?
[09:21] <Riddell> so far it's just my own bof
[09:22] <Riddell> dunno, the one with the kubuntu poster
[09:22] <shadeslayer> I see
[09:22] <shadeslayer> coming over now
[09:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what time are you leaving tomorrow?
[09:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: flight at 11:45 I think
[09:56] <Riddell> I like to get there early so there by 10:00
[09:56] <Riddell> so bus about 9:30?
[09:56] <Riddell> so leave hostel about 9:00?
[09:57] <shadeslayer> sounds good, my flight is at 11:55
[10:10] <Riddell> ta da http://blogs.kde.org/2013/07/19/30-second-akademy-interviews  featuring our very own yofel in first place
[10:15] <shadeslayer> :D
[10:19] <apachelogger> booze cruise
[10:19] <apachelogger> oh la la
[10:19] <shadeslayer> indeedly :(
[10:19] <shadeslayer> s/(/)/
[10:20] <shadeslayer> hurray, kubotu is fixed
[10:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your expression is just not valid :O
[10:25] <jussi> apachelogger: Master Harald, we will at some point update the server, so please be prepared for such an eventuality
[10:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: humbug
[10:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: needs escaping?
[10:25] <jussi> shadeslayer: I think you need escaping
[10:26] <shadeslayer> ja ja
[10:26] <apachelogger> jussi: how does that affect me? :P
[10:26] <jussi> apachelogger: kubotu ?
[10:28] <yofel> \o/
[10:30] <shadeslayer> I am so sleepy
[10:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: where are you ?
[10:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: coffee shop, going looking for food now
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Lunch in a bit I think
[10:32] <apachelogger> jussi: yes, but I am very confident that you will make it so that everything will work just like before :)
[11:21] <Riddell> yofel: ok to upload 4.9.95 to saucy?
[11:21] <yofel> Riddell: go ahead, runs fine here
[11:23] <Riddell> still installing for me but I'll get the script running before I test it
[11:25]  * shadeslayer runs raring script
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:33] <Riddell> wibble, this dist upgrade made me reconfigure grub, I'm afraid to reboot now
[11:35]  * BluesKaj just rebooted ok after grub upgrade on 13.10
[12:26] <Riddell> afiestas_: about?
[12:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: do we not run the scripts with debuild -S -sa for backports?
[12:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: or do we just run with -sd and upload the debian.tar.gz after the source is uploaded to current dev
[12:36] <yofel> latter by default
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer, yofel: where did everyone go?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we're at the hostel
[17:02] <shadeslayer> going out for dinner in an hour
[17:04] <shadeslayer> drdanz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: 4.10.5 looks good to me
[17:26] <ScottK> Good thing, I released it yesterday ...
[17:26] <ScottK> Thanks for testing.
[17:41] <Peace-> shadeslayer: PPA?
[18:09] <juancarlospaco> So.... why we dont make a Twitter Bootstrap Kubuntu Theme for standarization of the look and feel across all the proyects ?, someone open a git somewhere...
[21:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still up?
[21:18] <shadeslayer> suppose not
[21:19] <doctorpepper> hi guys !!
[21:19]  * shadeslayer heads to the lobby
[21:19] <doctorpepper> is there any ppa for kde 4.11 on precise ?
[21:20] <yofel> doctorpepper: no, but it's planned and we're working on it soon. It should be ready by 4.11.0
[21:31] <soee> yofel, when ca we expect raring packages to be fixed and ready for testing ?
[21:38] <yofel> soee: soonish http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.10.95_raring.html
[21:40] <soee> danke
[21:42]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[22:15] <shadeslayer> soee: I uploaded soprano which was the blocker for most of the things
[22:15] <shadeslayer> I suppose it'll be done when I'm on the flight
[22:48] <soee> shadeslayer, thanks
[23:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: turns out my flight is at 1500 so I might not see you tomorrow morning after all


[16:00] <xu-help12w> Hello when I run "apt-get install [package]", the service doesn't find any package
[16:01] <xu-help12w> Do I need to enable any repository ?
[18:04] <xu-help67w> hi! I'm using xubuntu 22.04 and I can't seems to change the luminosity on my laptop. I press [Fn]+[arrow up] or [Fn]+[arrow down] and the luminosty bar show up at max and I can't lower it.
[21:31] <xu-irc84w> can someone plz tell me why my software "sstore for xubuntu has blanks in it and like MAYBE 25 differnt things i can get.....rest is blank or blank white boxes
[21:31] <arraybolt3> xu-irc84w: Not sure, you can usually install software with apt.
[21:31] <arraybolt3> Can you show a screenshot of the problem?
[21:33] <xu-irc84w> ok....i dont know how to do that.....thought i did
[21:33] <arraybolt3> xu-irc84w: Try pressing Print Screen.
[21:33] <arraybolt3> Then you can upload the screenshot to Imgur.
[21:38] <xu-irc84w> https://imgur.com/bdcRhP6.png
[21:40] <xu-irc84w> https://imgur.com/4MQZ0SP.png
[21:40] <arraybolt3> xu-irc84w: Ugh, that doesn't look right at all...
[21:40] <gnrp> xu-irc84w: Which version of xubuntu are you using?
[21:40] <arraybolt3> It kind of looks like stuff is failing to load.
[21:41] <xu-irc84w> ok sorry....its just taking forever to load....checked my internet and its just suoer slow rightnnow .....thanks guys
[21:46] <arraybolt3> xu-irc84w: No problem, glad to be able to help!


[04:53] <RobertLaptop> Any one around?
[06:16] <tonsofpcs> nope
[11:32] <qwebirc2936> Hey, what an excellent service is this
[11:32] <qwebirc2936> I have a problem with video playback using the internal player
[11:34] <qwebirc2936> When I play a mp4 file, it seems as if the colors are shifted downward
[11:34] <qwebirc2936> On the internet I found some reference to faulty hue values
[11:34] <qwebirc2936> But changing hue has no effect
[13:12] <qwebirc2936> Anybody? Or is it easier if I post on the forum?
[18:33] <RobertLaptop> Anyone one around after upgrading last night all my frontend and secondary backend keep trying the update the DB scheme although the master backend doesn't see a change.  All systems are using the same git build based .deb
[20:24] <tonsofpcs> RobertLaptop: from what version to what?
[20:24] <RobertLaptop> I am running Mythbuntu 10.04.
[20:25] <tonsofpcs> as am I.  Myth 0.26 did similar to me, I rolled back to 0.25
[20:25] <RobertLaptop> Not sure the from what version.  I was running .26 and then did an upgrade last night and it started happening.
[20:27] <RobertLaptop> I have been on .26 for weeks I doubt I can role back to .25 without major issues.
[20:30] <tonsofpcs> oh, interesting
[20:39] <RobertLaptop> Running mythtv-setup made my problems with the backend to go away but the front end goes to a blue screen and just sits there.
[20:39] <RobertLaptop> I just turned on Verbose debugging.


[05:39] <rbasak> cpaelzer: o/ I notice you synced ssh-import-id last week. I just did a new "upstream" release and have been trying to follow smoser's release process, which involved maintaining a VCS branch. But since it's now synced, that branch is out of date and has a different history to the synced package. I'm not sure how to resolve this while also doing it exactly as smoser did. Any suggestions?
[05:39] <rbasak> Maybe it's time to ditch ssh-import-id "upstream"'s packaging branch now, since there's one in Salsa, and we're in sync.
[05:40] <rbasak> Then if a delta is required, I can do it without VCS or with just git-ubuntu, on the assumption that it should stay relatively small.
[06:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I ensured that the sync has all we had before (as usual)
[06:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: which content would you want to release as new version?
[06:16] <cpaelzer> 5.11 from master I guess seeing you tagging it yesterday
[06:18] <cpaelzer> Well, the tag is enough for upstream as a release I guess.
[06:18] <cpaelzer> Is the problem about making a tarball that matches the old style?
[06:18] <cpaelzer> or about getting a debian/ubuntu upload that is 5.10-1 + the new changes?
[06:37] <rbasak> cpaelzer: the latter. I can easily construct an upload of course, but I want to fit it into ssh-import-id's existing process for Ubuntu VCS maintenance which I think means changing it
[06:37] <rbasak> https://gist.github.com/smoser/3cd61fe6e08f0c0955ef949350897d15#file-readme-md is what I followed
[06:48] <cpaelzer> rbasak: TBH for the pkg-upload I'd recommend rebaseing 5.10..5.11 onto pkg/ubuntu/devel
[06:49] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that should content-wise be the same, match the orig tgz and has individual commits
[06:49] <cpaelzer> what else would you want?
[06:49] <cpaelzer> and also yes, given that Debian seems to now care about it you could propose just the same change to them as well
[06:49] <cpaelzer> which would allow to re-sync later as usual
[06:51] <cpaelzer> and afterwards you could throw a "align debian/*" commit onto master that unites Debian/Upstream packaging
[06:51] <cpaelzer> but anyway I start to outline my preferred way, you could easily have a different one and that still would be fine
[06:51] <rbasak> 5.10 and 5.11 are upstream tags though
[06:52] <rbasak> Rebasing the upstream branch onto a packaging branch seems wrong, unless I misunderstand?
[06:52] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:53] <cpaelzer> rbasak: it is the same as if you'd import a new orig tarball, but retaining individual commits
[06:53] <cpaelzer> rbasak: what I wanted to say above, this probably should not be over-thought. Do it the way that you like and nothing bad will happen.
[06:54] <cpaelzer> good morning lordievader
[06:54] <rbasak> I'm trying to sort it out so there's a straightforward process for the future
[06:54] <rbasak> Of course I can easily hack together something for this time
[06:54] <cpaelzer> ah now I see your point, more for future than this upload ...
[06:54] <rbasak> Right
[06:55] <rbasak> I'd like the process to be quick and mindless
[06:55] <rbasak> Right now it really isn't :-/
[06:55] <rbasak> I was hoping to just put Scott's gist into VCS and follow it exactly, so I wouldn't have to change anything, but AFAICT that won't work.
[06:56] <rbasak> Let's see what Scott thinks
[06:56] <rbasak> Right now I think my suggestion is to stop using a packaging branch at all, stop maintaining a debian/ directory in upstream master, and rely on Salsa and git-ubuntu for the packaging and Ubuntu delta.
[06:57] <cpaelzer> that would work for me and make this "less special"
[06:57] <cpaelzer> and maybe leave a Readme explaining that we'd want to avoid to maintain debian/* in two or three places and therefore this is how it now works
[06:58] <rbasak> We're agreed then I think. Let's wait for Scott. On the Readme, my plan is to take Scott's gist and check it in to master, and I can add an explanation there.
[11:31] <Tuor> Hi, I trying to find documentation on the unattended_upgrades configuration. I know where I have to change options, but the man doesn't explain the options and doesn't list the available options.
[12:01] <RoyK> Tuor: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades, perhaps?
[12:05] <Tuor> RoyK: sort of. But it's not complete. I'm more looking to know all possible options that can be configured and what they do.
[12:05] <Tuor> In the default config comming with the package, there are comments for a lot of options. Is the default config listing every available option?
[12:06] <RoyK> I guess the hint is to RTFS - sorry don't know a better way
[12:08] <Tuor> Which manual?! Where is the manual? I'm asking for the manual and you say I should read it. Really?
[12:50] <lordievader> Tuor: I think you want `man unattended-upgrade` and `man 5 apt.conf`
[12:52] <lordievader> Wait, apt.conf may not apply.
[12:56] <lordievader> Not sure if there are options beyond those in the default `/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades` config.
[13:12] <RoyK> Tuor: RTFS as in Source
[13:13] <RoyK> odc: it's just perl after all - should be readable
[13:14] <odc> true
[13:14] <ogra> isnt that actually mutually exclusive ?
[13:15] <odc> I hate how people say perl isn't readable and seem to have no problem with haskell, rust, c++, etc.
[13:15] <ogra> well, i have tons of perl scripts i wrote myself 10y ago that will take me a day to undersand again 🙂
[13:17] <odc> ah yes, that's a common problem ^^
[13:19]  * RoyK rather likes perl
[13:29] <TJ-> rather like knitting ... knit one, pearl one, drop one, curl one
[13:33] <ogra> lol
[14:05] <Tuor> Hmm, first time I'll read some perl, lets see how easy it is to read. :D
[14:06] <Tuor> perl? looks like python to me, but I have no idea how perl looks..
[14:12] <ogra> my perl always looks like shell ... but so does my python as well 😛
[14:27] <Tuor> github.com:mvo5/unattended-upgrades.git has a readme :)
[14:57] <Ussat> Well, foilks, Ubuntu as a server should get a TON more popular:  https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
[15:00] <quadrathoch2> damn, oracle will have a huge uptake
[15:03] <Ussat> Ya....I mean I am a mixed shop, RH and Ubuntu...but ya
[15:17] <Tuor> has the apt package ovirt-guest-agent been named differently in focal or just dropped?
[15:22] <quadrathoch2> Tuor can't find it with packages.ubuntu.com :/
[15:54] <luna_> \o/
[16:01] <Tuor> it seams qemu-guest-agent replaces ovirt-guest-agent...
[16:02] <Tuor> at leat the description with apt show  qemu-guest-agent looks similar to what apt show ovirt-guest-agent used to look.
[16:07] <quadrathoch2> sounds to me that wouldn't be the case, as ovirt is not qemu Tuor
[16:14] <cpaelzer> Tuor: they are different things - ovirt-guest-agent talks with oVirt manager; qemu-guest-agent exposes other things (like freeze/thaw hooks, shutdown, ...)
[16:15] <Tuor> hmm sad.
[16:30] <Tuor> My Red Hat Virtualization is happy with qemu-guest-agent with ubuntu 20.04 and was not happy with the package with the same name under 18.04, with 18.04 I had to install ovirt-guest-agent.
[19:55] <shubjero> coreycb: Do you know when we might expect the updated openstack-dashboard packages for CVE-2020-29565 for http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/train ?
[19:55] <ubot3> An issue was discovered in OpenStack Horizon before 15.3.2, 16.x before 16.2.1, 17.x and 18.x before 18.3.3, 18.4.x, and 18.5.x. There is a lack of validation of the "next" parameter, which would allow someone to supply a malicious URL in Horizon that can cause an automatic redirect to the provided malicious URL. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2020-29565>
[20:14] <coreycb> shubjero: typically the ubuntu security team handles CVE fixes but I can see if we can get that moving along to help them out
[20:15] <coreycb> shubjero: it looks like we need to get the ubuntu package patched for queens, stein, and train. ussuri+ already include it.
[23:04] <coreycb> shubjero: we have that horizon change in progress


[00:00] <IrCYop> When I try to start it I get nothing but a [fail]
[00:01] <IrCYop> ah brb
[00:13] <crohakon> I just upgraded my server to 9.10 and now I am having an issue starting bind9
[00:16] <crohakon> Forgive the flood, but I do not have a DNS server at the moment... So I cannot get to paste page stuff
[00:16] <crohakon>  * Starting domain name service... bind9                                                                                [fail]
[00:16] <crohakon> invoke-rc.d: initscript bind9, action "start" failed.
[00:16] <crohakon> dpkg: error processing bind9 (--configure):
[00:16] <crohakon>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[00:16] <crohakon> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:16] <crohakon> Any ideas?
[00:20] <zurh> hi
[01:13] <crohakon> After upgrading to 9.10 bind9 failed to start
[01:13] <crohakon> so I removed it
[01:13] <crohakon> and reinstalled it
[01:13] <crohakon> but the install fails
[02:17] <jmarsden> crohakon: "The install fails" ... be specific, what error message do you get from apt-get install bind9 ?
[02:17] <crohakon> oh, I resolved it. Apparent apparmor stopped liking bind9 after the upgrade.
[02:17] <jmarsden> OK, cool.
[02:18] <jmarsden> I just got home and saw no-one here had tried to help you out...
[02:18] <crohakon> so I just stopped the apparmor service, started the bind9 server, and restarted apparmor.   Goodnight.
[08:12] <RoyK> jmarsden: if you find it so hard to read these BAD BAD WORDS, then find another place to hang out than on IRC
[08:12] <RoyK> jmarsden: I've been in here for a while
[08:12] <RoyK> jmarsden: anyway - I really don't know you _do_ know what to do about it, but it's so much pride in not answering a man who uses non-christian words, isn't it?
[08:19] <Drmanhattan> the ubuntu code of conduct is not applied equally.
[08:19]  * Drmanhattan awaits yet another ban in another ubuntu channel for noticing hypocrisy.
[08:22] <RoyK> Drmanhattan: noticing is allowed, commenting is hypocracy
[08:22] <Drmanhattan> I see
[08:22] <Drmanhattan> ;))
[08:23] <RoyK> luckily there aren't too much idiots like jmarsden in here
[08:23] <Jeeves_> RoyK: It's a bit weird that you match 'decency' and 'cristianity' :)
[08:24] <Jeeves_> As if non-cristians cannot be decent.
[08:24] <Jeeves_> Aren't you decent?
[08:24] <RoyK> did I mention decency?
[08:24] <Jeeves_> No, but keeping in mind that some words offent others is decent.
[08:24] <Jeeves_> Which you don't bother to be, which is fine by me.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> But nobody mentioned cristianity either, except you.
[08:25] <Drmanhattan> Christianity is kind of offensive to me, at least the politics involved.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> So make up your mind, try to behave, and maybe people will be willing to help you.
[08:25] <RoyK> words like 'fuck', 'shit' etc are perfect words for expressing feelings. mr jmarsden did not wait a second before throwing !language at me
[08:26] <RoyK> this 'decency' about not using 'swear words' comes from christianity, not from somewhere else
[08:26] <Drmanhattan> the religion itself doesn't bother me, but the protesting of funerals and oppressing gay folk makes me sick.
[08:26] <Jeeves_> Drmanhattan: Try moving to a normal country, that helps :)
[08:26] <RoyK> some people think 'try to behave' means 'follow the paths of our ancestors' meaning those who actually beleived there was a god and so on
[08:26] <Jeeves_> RoyK: How old are you, 11?
[08:26] <Drmanhattan> RoyK, most modern "swear words" are words from the native languages that were deemed "vulgar" when the Christians invaded them.
[08:27] <Drmanhattan> Jeeves_, yay amsterdam
[08:27] <RoyK> I can behave perfectly normal, be nice and so on, but if my filesystem goes boom, I'll be shouting SHIT nevertheless
[08:27] <RoyK> Jeeves_: no, I'm not 11
[08:27] <Jeeves_> RoyK: Younger?
[08:27] <Jeeves_> If not, you are behaving like a 11 year old.
[08:28] <Jeeves_> Decent (they do not need to be cristian) people try to follow the rules of surroundings a bit
[08:29] <Drmanhattan> I haven't seen a lot of decency out of some of the ubuntu channel mods though.
[08:29] <RoyK> Jeeves_: either you try to make me look like something I'm not, or you're not the smartest guy alive. I guess the former
[08:29] <RoyK> Jeeves_: yeah, but those rules are not absolute
[08:29] <RoyK> Jeeves_: your rules on 'good language' obviously doesn't match your neighbor's
[08:29] <RoyK> or his neighbor, or relatives
[08:29] <Drmanhattan> I guess thats what happens when you put 19 y/o's in charge of things, especially ones that were obviously picked on in their younger years.
[08:29] <Drmanhattan> sorry 18yo's
[08:30] <RoyK> Jeeves_: tell me, if you get a corrupt filesystem, do you feel like shouting out some dedicated words, or would 'pizza' or 'pancake' do?
[08:30] <Jeeves_> RoyK: The rule is pretty simple. It's "Do not swear in the #ubuntu-channels".   I'm trying to explain to you why those rules are. And that those rules should be followed within the ubuntu-channels/
[08:36] <Jeeves_> What's rude about that?
[08:36] <RoyK> well, your attitude doesn't help you
[08:37] <Jeeves_> I'm guessing you age by your behaviour, that should give you a hint on your behaviour, not mine
[08:37] <RoyK> Jeeves_: heh
[08:41] <Jeeves_> So, what's your problem?
[08:45] <RoyK> Jeeves_: your behaviour is generally about one thing, 'do not swear'. with that as a base, you seem to beleive you can be as rude as you like. you haven't put a single argument forth on why certain words should be banned from usage in here, just that 'the rules say...' Those rules are conservative ones, mostly ruled out the christian right wing in most countries, especially in the US, but also in parts of Europe. Luckily, in Europe, most pe
[08:46] <RoyK> ople don't beleive in that sort of gods anymore, so the language is generally more free than it is in other, more conservative parts of the world, such as the extreme islamic parts and parts of the US
[08:47] <RoyK> Jeeves_: if you want to say something more about this, be my guest, but please don't rephrase the current ruleset
[08:47] <RoyK> Jeeves_: lol - you didn't really understand that, did you?
[08:49] <Jeeves_> RoyK: I do have better things to do dan await your four minute break to think about this.
[08:49] <Jeeves_> The point is, it doesn't matter which words are of aren't banned from usage.
[08:50] <RoyK> Jeeves_: it's funny. people like you fall back to bullshit when you have no arguments, not even bad ones
[08:50] <Jeeves_> The point is that you're using a service of somebody else, and you should behave according to this parties rules.
[08:50] <RoyK> 'my minute break'
[08:50] <RoyK> Jeeves_: did you even _try_ to read what I wrote above?
[08:50] <Jeeves_> RoyK: I did, and I understand what you said.
[08:51] <Jeeves_> The point is that your or my personal point of view doesn't matter.
[08:51] <Jeeves_> What matters is that there are rules in this channel, and you should behave according to those rules.
[08:51] <Drmanhattan> well, I'd be happy to behave as some of the operators want, When I am kicked, banned, and shoved into channels to debate the matter, I generally tend to become uncooperative.
[08:51] <Jeeves_> I understand your view on extremist cristians
[08:52] <Jeeves_> I share some parts of that view
[08:52] <Jeeves_> But it just doesn't matter :)
[08:53] <Drmanhattan> I don't understand why Christians have such a problem with gay folk, it isnt like Jesus ever showed any interest in women, and he surrounded himself with 12 other men with a similiar disinterest in women. I don't know any straight men who do that.
[08:53] <RoyK> Jeeves_: fuck you very much, idiot. obeying the rules because they're rules is idiocy of the worst sort. try to tell the people in Iran to obey the law because it's the law. also, all sorts of countries have stupid laws, also the 'western' ones.
[08:53] <Jeeves_> ok, I give up. :)
[08:53] <RoyK> Jeeves_: in obeying laws for the sake of their being laws, you make a big mistake
[08:53] <Jeeves_> A silence!
[08:53] <Jeeves_> !/ignore++
[08:54] <RoyK> Drmanhattan: the christians have problems with gay folk, just because they're not allowed to join in
[08:54] <RoyK> it's sad, really :)
[08:54]  * RoyK &
[09:12] <eagles0513875> hey guys is glibc6 installed on 9.10 by default
[09:15] <Jeeves_> libc6?
[09:15] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:15] <eagles0513875> need it for shoutcast
[09:15] <Jeeves_> Yes, it is.
[09:15] <eagles0513875> ok ty :)
[09:15] <Jeeves_> But shoutcast is in the repo's, isn't it?
[09:16] <arj> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:17] <eagles0513875> no Jeeves_its not
[09:17] <eagles0513875> im getting it from shoutcast.com
[09:18] <Jeeves_> icecast is
[09:18] <Jeeves_> that's about the same, isn't it?
[09:19] <Alpha6> can ubuntu server and dyndns work together?
[09:20] <kringell> Alpha6: yes
[09:20] <jmarsden> Alpha6: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS
[09:21] <Alpha6> Thanks kringell and jmarsden
[09:54] <Drmanhattan> dyndns is nice, no-ip is better
[10:01] <eagles0513875> my router is nice enough to automatically update my account on dyndns for me :)
[10:14] <Drmanhattan> my router does the same with no-up
[10:14] <Drmanhattan> no-ip
[10:14] <Drmanhattan> Gotta love tomato linux
[11:08] <DrManhattan> I appear to be unable to increase my desktop size past 800x600
[11:30] <incorrect> i wish there were more custom kernels to use
[11:31] <incorrect> generic and server aren't really all that is needed
[12:16] <kringell> incorrect_: what more do you need?
[12:17] <incorrect_> kringell, well when i build a nice custom kernel for my opterons i get a good performance boost, same with my xeon
[12:17] <incorrect_> generic64 isn't so hot
[12:17] <incorrect_> also i wouldn't mind a 250hz server kernel
[12:24] <ghostlines> does anyone know or use any networking gui tools?
[12:25] <ghostlines> my boss runs ubuntu server and doesn't want to install the whole desktop package to configure networking
[12:43] <Cromulent> just use the command line then
[12:45] <ghostlines> does anyone know any network configuration gui tools?
[14:16] <kringell> ghostlines: you could quite easily teach him the basics of /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:56] <ghostlines> kringell, looks like that's my only choice
[16:48] <newbbiesss> hello good day to you all can i get support in here?
[16:49] <guntbert> !ask
[16:49] <newbbiesss> ok
[16:52] <newbbiesss> i am trying to install a ZTE MF626 from telcel following this gui: http://www.ubuntu.org.uy/main/?q=node/986 but when i reach the 8 step i got this: http://pastebin.com/m39113374
[16:52] <newbbiesss> and i just can get it to work
[16:53] <newbbiesss> help pls
[17:55] <OscarTG> Ok I can't belive I am asking this question.  I need to figure out if the Ubuntu server install I am working on is 64 or 32 bit.  Is there a command to see this?
[17:55] <OscarTG> I was looking at uname but didn't see anything
[17:56] <OscarTG> wait sorry about this.  could I tell from the kernel version?
[18:06] <OscarTG> If you were given a per installed server to work on  and was told that "automatic security / system updates were configured" any suggestions on were to look to turn this off?
[18:12] <sub> OscarTG: starting at the beginning, re: 32-bit vs 64-bit if someone installed a 32bit kernel on a 64bit system the kernel version would be inaccurate
[18:13] <sub> `cat /proc/cpuinfo` and see if it tells you anything
[18:13] <OscarTG> hrmm.  but I can tell from that what os I am working with?  it is i686
[18:13] <OscarTG> that is 32 bit correct?
[18:14] <OscarTG> wow cpuinfo is pretty helpfull
[18:15] <OscarTG> ahh it is a quad core intel xeon.  what is funny is ubuntu sees it as 4 1 core processors
[18:16] <sub> yep
[18:16] <OscarTG> so any thoughts on the auto updates.
[18:16] <sub> I think you can remove the package "unattended-upgrades" but I don't know if that's the correct way
[18:16] <sub> Anyone else here know if that breaks anything?
[18:16] <OscarTG> i will look around a bit more.
[18:17] <sub> there's some apt config directives
[18:17] <sub> check the comments in the header of /etc/cron.daily/apt
[18:17] <OscarTG> i just love that fact that we ordered a server, 9.04 server minimum install, no additional packages, only add ssh.
[18:17] <sub> in particular "#  "APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade""
[18:18] <OscarTG> and I got 9.10, ssh and LAMP, and auto updates.  sorry /end rant
[18:18] <OscarTG> thanks.
[18:18] <sub> hah, understandable
[18:19] <sub> if you didn't get what you want, you might want to start with a clean install
[18:20] <OscarTG> if i had access to the server I would.  we are moving one of our vmware servers to a hosting center and my boss yester day handed me an email and said he got want I wanted and needed it up by monday.
[18:20] <OscarTG> luckly i talked him into two extra paid vacation days around christmas
[18:22] <sub> ah ok
[18:22] <sub> well good luck with shaping it down to what you want
[18:23] <OscarTG> I will get it close but I haven't decided if I want to even worry about the LAMP part
[18:23] <OscarTG> I wish uninstalling LAMP was as easy as it is to install all of that during the OS install.
[18:24] <OscarTG> one click = so much more than what a lot of people realize
[18:28] <sub> you don't want it at all?
[18:28] <sub> any of it?
[18:29] <sub> OscarTG: sudo tasksel remove lamp-server
[18:30] <OscarTG> oh your kidding me.  You rock.
[18:30] <cottle> if I'm willing to learn how to securely maintain my server, and I'm willing to spend a couple of hours doing the initial configuration, how much time does it take from then on if security is essential? 30 mins per week? several hours per day?
[18:30] <sub> check tasksel's man page and tasksel --list-tasks
[18:31] <OscarTG> that just made my life so much easier
[18:32] <sub> cottle: depends to what extent you want to actively maintain the security of the server. some people may just install security updates once a week, some review logs meticulously, and others are active on all the relevant security/announce mailing lists
[18:32] <sub> cottle: really it just comes down to how much time you want to put into it
[18:33] <OscarTG> and some like to set it up to happen automaticly.  they should be shot and use windows.  ok sorry, no they shouldn't and there is probly a god case to use it some were.  :)
[18:34] <cottle> sub: not that I find it likely, but just assume that my web project gains popularity and potentially more people want to hack into my system. if I just update the system once every 3 days or so and don't do anything else, will I sooner or later lose the battle and get rooted?
[18:35] <sub> cottle: security is about risk management and there aren't any guarentees. it's essentially a well-calculated gamble where you try to stack the odds in your favor. sure, that could happen, but as long as your system is up to date AND you're following security best practices (both on the admin side of things and on the web project's development side of things) then it's likely you'll be fine for a very long time
[18:36] <cottle> sub: and if something should happen, I should keep a current backup and learn from my mistakes.
[18:36] <sub> yes, a current off-site backup
[18:36] <sub> and
[18:37] <sub> you should have a disaster recovery plan in case this does happen
[18:37] <sub> disaster recovery/business continuity
[18:37] <OscarTG> cottle: i think I am in a boat similar to what you are in.  Running your own server can be fun, save some money, and you can learn a ton.  If youproject goes big though, i would suggest looking into finding a good host to work with, not a cheep one, a good one.  That way you can focus on one part of it and the server side of things is handled by hopefully a group of people with much more experience.  It also allows you to make someone else responsible
[18:37] <OscarTG>  for a major part of it and everything doesn't fall onto you.
[18:38] <cottle> sub: I guess even a complete root attack isn't so bad, if you e.g. don't store passwords as plain text but instead use a hash with salt and things like that. you just reinstall the OS with the backup, learn from your mistakes and even if the attacker downloaded the entire database he has not much to gain. right?
[18:39] <sub> depends what their goal was but more importantly what you lose during the attack, such as the trust of your users, or money
[18:39] <cottle> OscarTG: I completely agree with you there. the point that worries me though is that the host with the group of people who will manage my server then doesn't support the web application interface I'm using, but just PHP. Or they don't support the database I'm using... and so on.
[18:41] <cottle> sorry for the bad English, I type faster than I can think...
[18:41] <sub> gotta go, racking a couple of servers and a SAN today
[18:42] <OscarTG> cottle: don't worry
[18:42] <cottle> sub: okay, thank you though :)
[18:42] <OscarTG> sub: thanks a ton for the help
[18:43] <cottle> OscarTG: what do you think regarding my last point?
[18:43] <OscarTG> cottle:  what insterface are you using? and is there a reason you are using PostgresSQL over  MySQL?
[18:44] <cottle> OscarTG: I'm use CGI, maybe FastCGI. maybe I implement my web application as a small web server that runs behind apache. currently I'm flexible enough that it only takes a few days of coding to switch between these possibilities. and I'm using PG over MySQL because I was told that is superior in both security and reliability.
[18:47] <cottle> s/I'm use/I use
[19:24] <pg1054> I'm setting up a number of sshfs mounts for automount via /etc/fstab.  I've a question about 'proper sytax' in the fstab.  All is clear re: passing *fuse* options.  I would like to also pass an SSH option, specifically a non-standard SSH config file.  That's, of course, the "-F" option to ssh.  What's the right syntax/usage for including that opt in fstab?
[19:24] <pg1054> I.e., where do I put it in: "sshfs#guest@guest.login.com:data /mnt/guest fuse uid=1003,gid=100,umask=0,allow_other 0 0" ?
[21:35] <LyonJT> hey
[21:35] <LyonJT> i have created a folder in /var/www and i need to give a user called lyon full access rights how can i do this?
[22:20] <freakynl> hi, are there any good root kit detectors in ubuntu server 8.04? Mainly looking for something that detects php shells and the like. we migrated an old server to a new ubuntu 8.04 and want some additional scans on possible left behind php shells etc (like r57 and c99)
[22:20] <freakynl> not really a rootkit thing thus only mysql db's and /var/www/vhosts came from old server. additional checks won't hurt tho'
[22:43] <bep> i added xorg on top of ubuntu server and when i do startx I am getting "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."