[17:49] <penguin42> dunking jaffa cakes in hot chocolate works pretty well
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> giving the pancreas a quick workout pre christmas day...
[17:54] <penguin42> nod
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> tracksuit bottoms out now for elastic waist band stretching?
[17:57] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I've got plenty of space; my diet is tuned to allow me to eat more chocolate
[17:59] <zmoylan-pi> as soon as the geneticists make a chocolate turkey you're golden... :-)
[17:59] <penguin42> you can have the turkey, I'll stick with the chocolate reindeer
[20:33] <daftykins> :D
[21:50] <diddledan> I want the chocolate balls!
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> chocolate salty balls?
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> wow, 20years old next year... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnNYXgV7L-c
[22:01] <diddledan> what?! 20????!
[22:02] <daftykins> mmm i still remember watching it on Channel 4 in the early days ~1996/97
[22:02] <diddledan> yup me tooh
[22:02] <diddledan> and buying the movie
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> pffft, i remember watching carol vorderman on day 1... newb... :-P
[22:02] <daftykins> :O
[22:03] <daftykins> i've been up in my eaves cupboard this evening, popping in yet more insulation
[22:04] <diddledan> it's not bubblewrap
[22:04] <daftykins> tough work crawling along to squeeze in there
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> oops.... https://www.geekwire.com/2017/reported-google-update-glitch-disconnects-student-chromebooks-schools-across-u-s/
[22:31] <daftykins> heh yeah i linked that then a guy in another channel from Sweden had it at his workplace the next day


[15:12] <jrwren> this is ubuntu... will i have to leave if i start doing rockylinux things? :)
[15:25] <greg-g> I don't know if the channel can handle anymore /part's :P
[15:54] <jrwren> hehe. I've no plans to replace the ubuntu on my home server anytime soon.
[15:54] <jrwren> But with some luck, I'll be doing more with rockylinux soon.
[15:59] <cmaloney> We accept all Linuxes, UNIXes, and what-notexes.
[15:59] <cmaloney> And yes, we're down a lot of folks
[16:00] <cmaloney> I mean, the Mmugorg channel is just me an Chanserv
[16:02] <greg-g> hah


[16:16] <domjohnson> Hi
[16:17] <holstein> domjohnson: yo :)
[16:17] <domjohnson> Will Ubuntu Studio 11.04 use Gnome or Unity?
[16:17] <holstein> gnome
[16:17] <holstein> probably stay at gnome
[16:17] <holstein> gnome is not going anywhere
[16:17] <holstein> and i bet there will be an official gubuntu or whatever
[16:18] <domjohnson> Yeah
[16:18] <domjohnson> Hope so
[16:18] <domjohnson> And will it retain Xorg?
[16:18] <holstein> theres no immediate plan to bail on gnome
[16:18] <holstein> domjohnson: not sure about wayland
[16:19] <domjohnson> Whats wayland?
[16:19] <holstein> thats the x change right?
[16:20] <domjohnson> I thought they were dropping it completely...
[16:24] <domjohnson> Ah - Wayland is what they might replace it with
[16:24] <domjohnson> I think there'll be problems with the linuxwacom project if Xorg is dropped
[16:25] <domjohnson> I think many people will drop Ubuntu in favour of a Gnomebuntu or similar, particularly multimedia enthusiasts/professionals (although, I don't think there'll be many multimedia professionals using Linux...)
[16:25] <holstein> domjohnson: im sure there will be some adjustments either way
[16:25] <holstein> growing pains ;)
[16:25] <domjohnson> yeah
[17:03] <domjohnson> What version of linuxwacom is Ubuntu Studio 10.10 using/whats the latest version in the repos?
[17:03] <holstein> im not sure
[17:03] <holstein> im still running 10.04
[17:03] <domjohnson> ok
[17:04] <domjohnson> What version is it on 10.04?
[17:04] <domjohnson> (And, on another subject, if anyone is using 10.10, is JACK working?)
[17:05] <holstein> sure
[17:05] <holstein> [lsd] over in #opensourcemusicians is using it
[17:05] <domjohnson> ok
[17:06] <domjohnson> x64?
[17:06] <holstein> and i have helped get it running on a couple boxes here
[17:06] <domjohnson> Actually - probably better asking him
[17:06] <holstein> domjohnson: should
[17:06] <holstein> pretty sure ive only talked about 32but
[17:06] <holstein> bit*
[17:06] <holstein> 64bit should be fine though
[17:06] <domjohnson> ok
[17:06] <domjohnson> Ubuntu 10.10 isn't :(
[17:07] <domjohnson> Pain the rear end, because Audacity has no automation...
[17:07] <domjohnson> So when you try and edit live stuff thats 2 hours long...
[17:07] <holstein> JACK in 64bit ubuntu 10.10 ?
[17:07] <domjohnson> anyway :)
[17:07] <domjohnson> Yeah
[17:07] <domjohnson> Not working :(
[17:07] <holstein> i didnt realize audacity had automation
[17:07] <holstein> you mean ardour?
[17:07] <domjohnson> It doesn't...
[17:08] <domjohnson> Been having to use Audacity
[17:08] <domjohnson> without it :(
[17:08] <holstein> OIC
[17:08] <holstein> what is the issue?
[17:08] <holstein> does jack run as root?
[17:08] <domjohnson> (I should really stop putting single sentences on multiple lines)
[17:08] <domjohnson> Haven't tried to run it as root
[17:08] <holstein> i would try that
[17:08] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[17:08] <domjohnson> But it just says "Sorry, Couldn't start JACK"
[17:08] <domjohnson> Ok - cheers
[17:08] <holstein> make sure your in the audio group
[17:08] <domjohnson> Will try that when I get back home (at my Dad's atm)
[17:09] <domjohnson> Ah - that might also be it
[17:09] <holstein> sudo adduser domjohnson audio
[17:09] <holstein> domjohnson: what sound device?
[17:09] <holstein> internal card?
[17:09] <domjohnson> Yes
[17:09] <holstein> yeah
[17:09] <holstein> id try that
[17:09] <holstein> AND
[17:09] <domjohnson> Although I have 2 cards in, and use the other for MIDI
[17:09] <holstein> relax the jack settings
[17:09] <holstein> something like 512/3
[17:09] <domjohnson> So, actually, I think I have the non-mobo card (i.e dedicated card) set to input.
[17:10] <domjohnson> ok
[17:10] <holstein> maybe uncheck the 'realtime' box
[17:10] <domjohnson> Thanks
[17:10] <domjohnson> :)
[17:10] <domjohnson> Might be the group thing - volume control doesn't work either
[17:10] <domjohnson> Except in applications themselves - system wide doesn't work
[17:11] <holstein> alsamixer ?
[17:11] <holstein> or the one in the panel?
[17:12] <holstein> is this the same as in 10.04?
[17:12] <holstein> same behavior?
[17:15] <domjohnson> The one in the panel
[17:15] <domjohnson> 10.04 was fine
[17:15] <holstein> do you need something from 10.10?
[17:16] <domjohnson> huh?
[17:16] <holstein> why are you running 10.10?
[17:16] <holstein> you might want to search your sound card
[17:16] <domjohnson> Because its the newest version...other than that, don't think I have anything which is 10.10 only
[17:17] <holstein> maybe there is a backport for it or something
[17:17] <holstein> could be the newer kernel
[17:17] <domjohnson> Sound card has linux support from the manufacturer
[17:17] <holstein> could be alsa
[17:17] <domjohnson> Oh - didn't have the soundcard in 10.10
[17:17] <holstein> OK
[17:17] <holstein> SO
[17:17] <holstein> you had 10.04 installed
[17:17] <holstein> and the mixer app worked fine?
[17:17] <holstein> with the card in question?
[17:17] <domjohnson> yes
[17:17] <holstein> OK
[17:18] <holstein> and now in 10.10
[17:18] <holstein> it does not?
[17:18] <domjohnson> No - with built-in card
[17:18] <holstein> OK
[17:18] <domjohnson> And it doesn't now
[17:18] <holstein> so you downloaded a .deb from the manufacturer for it?
[17:18] <holstein> before?
[17:19] <holstein> i was just thinking why not just run 10.04
[17:19] <holstein> if everything is/was working properly
[17:20] <holstein> i plan on staying with 10.04 on my production box until 12.04


[07:50] <tjaalton> oh yeah, ext4 in the installer really works
[10:46] <tjaalton> hum, looks like netcfg strips the domain even from DHCP hostnames
[13:39] <CIA-3> os-prober: cjwatson * r226 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog os-probes/init/common/10filesystems): Load ext4 module if available.
[13:40] <CIA-3> os-prober: cjwatson * r227 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu3
[14:28] <CIA-3> apt-setup: cjwatson * r153 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog generators/41cdset):
[14:28] <CIA-3> apt-setup: Remove /var/lib/install-cd.id if cd_type ends with /single, to avoid
[14:28] <CIA-3> apt-setup: unnecessary problems remounting the CD (LP: #294365).
[15:15] <CIA-3> apt-setup: cjwatson * r154 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[15:15] <CIA-3> apt-setup: Enable all network sources, including security updates, even if the
[15:15] <CIA-3> apt-setup: network is unconfigured (LP: #256098).
[15:26] <CIA-3> apt-setup: cjwatson * r155 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog generators/50mirror.ubuntu): Fix handling of universe and multiverse in -backports lines.
[15:46] <CIA-3> apt-setup: cjwatson * r156 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.37ubuntu8
[17:43] <cjwatson> yay, bug reporting guidelines work completely on edge now
[17:44] <cjwatson> evand: I added some guidelines for ubiquity bug reports; see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+edit and feel free to edit
[17:49] <evand> WONDERFUL!
[17:49] <evand> (though I lack permission to edit from that link)
[17:52] <cjwatson> really?
[17:52] <cjwatson> that's odd, I'd have expected it to be any uploader
[17:53] <evand> perhaps we should file a bug?  I'd expect that as well.
[17:53] <cjwatson> you're definitely on edge? are you in launchpad-beta-testers?
[17:53] <cjwatson> ah, you're not
[17:53] <cjwatson> I think only launchpad-beta-testers members get to use edge, though ICBW
[17:54] <evand> I'm in edge, but let me join the group and see if that changes anything
[17:54] <evand> as I need to be in there (and thought I was) anyway
[18:00] <superm1> cjwatson, where are uploaders defined though?
[18:01] <superm1> eg i'm in launchpad-beta-testers and on edge, and i can't edit that or any packages i've uploaded in the past
[18:01] <cjwatson> well I'd have hoped it would be anyone who can ordinarily upload the package
[18:01] <cjwatson> maybe it isn't, which would be irritating
[18:02] <cjwatson> it's possible that it's drivers, which would be a bug; I'm trying to figure out from the source and will file a bug
[18:02] <cjwatson> usual LP problem of it being hard to figure out why you're allowed to view a page
[18:09] <cjwatson> bah, distribution owner only
[18:10] <cjwatson> which probably means ubuntu-drivers
[18:13] <cjwatson> bug 315582
[18:13] <evand> thanks
[18:14] <cjwatson> fortunately, that permission was added very recently so is probably not too entrenched


[16:00] <hallyn> \o
[16:00] <kickinz1> o/
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <smb> o/
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:01] <jamespage> o/
[16:01] <jamespage> gnuoy is out so I get to chair today
[16:02] <gaughen_> fhew
[16:02] <jgrimm> o/
[16:02] <gaughen_> o/
[16:02] <thedac> o/
[16:02] <jamespage> oh wait - I see gaughen next in the list :-)
[16:02] <gaughen> too late man
[16:02] <jamespage> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep  1 16:02:58 2015 UTC.  The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:03] <jamespage> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <jamespage> rharper collect team thoughts on whether we should have something like numad and other NUMA related placement stuff
[16:03] <jamespage> rharper, hows that coming along?
[16:04] <rharper> jamespage: oi
[16:04] <rharper> hehe
[16:04] <jamespage> carry over?
[16:04] <rharper> same place as last week
[16:04] <smb> jamespage, There is a Debian packaging in process right now
[16:04] <jamespage> #action rharper collect team thoughts on whether we should have something like numad and other NUMA related placement stuff
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: rharper collect team thoughts on whether we should have something like numad and other NUMA related placement stuff
[16:04] <jamespage> smb, oh - right
[16:04] <rharper> maybe;  I'll likely have a session on that at our next sprint and have something proposed for 16.04
[16:04] <jamespage> smb, is that uploaded or pending FFe?
[16:04] <jamespage> rharper, sounds like one for the  next sprint
[16:05] <jamespage> rharper send email to TB about bcache-utils into trusty
[16:05] <smb> jamespage, was uploaded to Debian but had some FTBS afaik
[16:05] <jamespage> rharper, that one was for you as well
[16:05] <arges> we're fixing a build bug or rather kamal is
[16:05] <smb> When that is resolved we try some other ffe
[16:05] <jamespage> ack
[16:06] <rharper> jamespage: I've got it ready for review; need to sync with maas team on details w.r.t whether bcache-tools goes into the default image or if it's OK to be just in-archive
[16:06] <rharper> I'll send it out for server team review today
[16:06] <jamespage> ok - sounds like we can remove that from the list
[16:06] <jamespage> next
[16:06] <jamespage> smoser, rharper get other packages into cloud-image necessary for storage features.
[16:06] <jamespage> I'm assuming thats linked to your comment above?
[16:06] <rharper> it's related, though we did want to have wily get all 3
[16:07] <rharper> in the installed image IIRC
[16:07] <rharper> smoser: ^^
[16:07] <rharper> and then discuss whether to update/change previous images
[16:07] <smoser> rharper and i will look at that later today ?
[16:07] <smoser> rharper, ^ the '?' was to you.
[16:07] <rharper> especially trusty w.r.t new features which may regress folks
[16:07] <rharper> smoser: yes
[16:07] <smoser> but lets talk about that.trusty is more complex.
[16:07] <rharper> correct
[16:07] <jamespage> ok - lets move on - sounds like you guys have it in hand
[16:07] <jamespage> #topic Wily Development
[16:08] <jamespage> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[16:08] <jamespage> UI and Doc freeze coming up in the enxt two weeks
[16:08] <jamespage> Beta Freeze on 24th probably the most pertinent - for this meeting
[16:08] <jamespage> as I think we'll be doing the Final beta right?
[16:09] <jamespage> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:09] <jamespage> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:09] <jamespage> hmm sparese
[16:09] <jamespage> sparse rather
[16:09] <jamespage> looks like a few problems
[16:10] <jamespage> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1478149
[16:10] <jamespage> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1469214
[16:10] <jamespage> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1474667
[16:10] <jamespage> needs a priority
[16:10] <jamespage> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1481337
[16:10] <jamespage> smoser, rbasak - I think I saw you guys discussion that one right?
[16:10] <jamespage> oh and http://launchpad.net/bugs/1398999
[16:10] <smoser> well, i put some comments tehre. yeah.
[16:12] <jamespage> hmm - looks like some movement in libvirt 1.2.17 and above with regards to block migration
[16:13] <hallyn> smb, zul: ^ seen that?
[16:13] <jamespage> but we don't have that in wily yet - can we see if we can pull something in - that sounds useful
[16:13] <jamespage> ?
[16:13] <smb> hallyn, nope
[16:14] <jamespage> thats a really important bug to resolve with regards to instance migration on compute nodes for openstack
[16:14] <rharper> jamespage: is it sufficient to pull in just that or all of 2.17  ?
[16:14] <jamespage> rharper, I'd defer to those more knowlegable but I suspect a pick is just fine
[16:14] <rharper> arges zul and hallyn can confirm the PITA that is libvirt
[16:15] <rharper> jamespage: ok
[16:15] <jamespage> rharper, can you confirm an owner?
[16:15] <rharper> jgrimm: ^^
[16:15] <rharper> jamespage: punting to mangler to assign
[16:15] <jamespage> I've raised a libvirt task as well
[16:16] <jamespage> ack
[16:16] <arges> libvirt 1.2.18 can be synced btw
[16:16] <jgrimm> rharper, ack
[16:16] <hallyn> zul: were you going to merge 1.2.18 this week?
[16:16] <jamespage> #action jgrimm to look for owner for libvirt cherrypick or sync
[16:16] <meetingology> ACTION: jgrimm to look for owner for libvirt cherrypick or sync
[16:16] <arges> also libvirt-python is behind too
[16:16] <jamespage> sounds like things need a catchup
[16:17] <jamespage> jgrimm, ok if I leave that with you to chase?
[16:17] <jamespage> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:17] <jamespage> caribou is not here
[16:17] <jamespage> ...
[16:17] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:17] <jgrimm> jamespage, yessir
[16:17] <jamespage> jgrimm, ta
[16:17] <matsubara> nothing new to report jamespage
[16:18] <jamespage> ack matsubara
[16:18] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:18] <jamespage> ola kernel team
[16:18] <jamespage> anything to report, or any questions for the kernel guru's?
[16:18] <smb> oops
[16:18] <smb> nothing new here
[16:19] <smb> should not scroll back an active meeting
[16:19] <jamespage> lol
[16:19] <jamespage> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:19] <jamespage> that's a new one
[16:19] <jamespage> I think I should make more effort to attend these meetings
[16:19] <jamespage> anything we need to submit for?
[16:20] <hallyn> is fosdem coming up?
[16:20] <hallyn> wow, too late already
[16:21] <jamespage> really?
[16:21] <jamespage> yikes
[16:21] <hallyn> oh maybe not
[16:21] <jamespage> no not yet
[16:21] <hallyn> k :)
[16:21] <jamespage> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:21] <jamespage> anything?
[16:23] <jamespage> #topic Open Discussion
[16:23] <jamespage> anything to discuss?
[16:24] <jamespage> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:24] <jamespage> 8th September 1600 UTC - chair with be gnuoy
[16:24] <jamespage> #endmeeting
[16:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep  1 16:24:39 2015 UTC.
[16:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-01-16.02.moin.txt
[16:24] <jamespage> thanks folks
[16:24] <kickinz1> Thanks James.
[16:26] <beisner> thanks jamespage & welcome back!
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep  1 17:00:06 2015 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Wily
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <smb> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <apw> o/
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <rtg> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Wily Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ppisati> o/
[17:03] <jsalisbury> we can come back to the Wily kernel update
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:03] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-cves.html
[17:03] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Trusty/Vivid (henrix)
[17:04] <henrix>  Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:04] <henrix>    *     Precise - Verification & Testing
[17:04] <henrix>    *      Trusty - Verification & Testing
[17:04] <henrix>    *  lts-Utopic - Verification & Testing
[17:04] <henrix>    *      Vivid  - Verification & Testing
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix>  Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <henrix>    * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <henrix>  For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <henrix>    * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:05] <henrix>  Schedule:
[17:05] <henrix>
[17:05] <henrix>  cycle: 16-Aug through 05-Sep
[17:05] <henrix>  [17:05] <henrix>           14-Aug   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:05] <henrix>  15-Aug - 22-Aug   Kernel prep week.
[17:05] <henrix>  23-Aug - 29-Aug   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:05] <henrix>  30-Aug - 05-Sep   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:05] <henrix> ..
[17:05] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: dang it, my connection dropped here
[17:05] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: I assumed I missed it
[17:06] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Wily Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:06] <ogasawara> We have rebased our Wily master-next branch to 4.2 final from upstream.
[17:06] <ogasawara> We are pushing to get this uploaded to the archive asap.
[17:06] <ogasawara> -----
[17:06] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:06] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[17:06] <ogasawara> Thurs Sep 24 - Final Beta (~3 weeks away)
[17:06] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct  8 - Kernel Freeze (~5 weeks away)
[17:06] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 15 - Final Freeze (~6 weeks away)
[17:06] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 22 - 15.10 Release (~7 weeks away)
[17:06] <ogasawara> ..
[17:06] <ogasawara> phew
[17:06] <ogasawara> ..
[17:07] <rtg> ogasawara, just uploaded a few minute ago
[17:07] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:08] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:08] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep  1 17:08:38 2015 UTC.
[17:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-01-17.00.moin.txt


[14:18] <hoonkim> Hi
[14:42] <hoonkim> d
[15:44] <hoonkim> nobody here?
[17:57] <hoonkim> good afternooooon
[21:08] <tonyyarusso> Hi hoonkim
[21:42] <hoonkim> hi
[21:42] <hoonkim> how r u
[21:46] <tonyyarusso> Sleepy, but otherwise fine.  Just got home from a week at camp.
[21:48] <hoonkim> I am in the library and take a nap at the desk. Here is cool than my apartment.
[21:48] <hoonkim> Apartment AC is broken I think.
[21:48] <tonyyarusso> bummer
[21:48] <tonyyarusso> We had to fix both house and car AC during the last hot spell.
[21:49] <tonyyarusso> Home one was cheap; car not so much.
[21:50] <hoonkim> But it is fine I will move to the ohter apartment soon. even cheaper but will be better
[23:06] <hoonkim1> h
[23:06] <hoonkim1> time to dinner


[22:27] <daftykins> there are some reasonably special Abalone over here that we call Ormers, so much so that the local bus pass used to be called the Ormer card
[22:27] <daftykins> i never tried any because you're not allowed to hoard them, they're only available a few days a year on the spring tides - https://imgur.com/a/tQ6jvd0
[22:59] <penguin42> very shiny
[23:03] <daftykins> :)


[03:55] <kugel> hello. I'm unable to login to launchpad
[03:55] <kugel> I successfully pass the ubuntu one login, but then get a server error
[09:04] <mitya57> cjwatson: Hi, can you please unblock ppc64el and s390x builds in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3106/+packages?
[09:50] <cjwatson> caraka: It resumed about 20 hours before you asked that :-)  But there's a long backlog
[09:51] <cjwatson> kugel: Do you have an OOPS ID?  If so, please email it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with an explanation of what's going on, and we'll deal with it during the week when sysadmins are around
[09:52] <caraka> thanks cjwatson, I found the tweet a couple of hours ago! All good, my latest build is at the end of that queue and I've purged all the no longer relevant build requests in the way.
[09:53]  * cjwatson handles mitya57's request too, though they've /parted
[09:53] <cjwatson> caraka: Thanks, that certainly won't hurt
[09:54] <caraka> Yeah, I hadn't realised that some previous version builds were still waiting. oops. All gone now.
[09:54] <cjwatson> I've occasionally contemplated superseding/cancelling such things automatically, but it's usually not a problem and I can imagine cases when it would be inconvenient to do so
[12:47] <Jasem> Is there a way to batch-cancel pending builds? I have over 1000 pending and would like to cancel them without having to click on each one and cancel it!
[13:36] <mitya57> cjwatson, thanks! sorry for parting, needed to restart my znc
[19:31] <kugel> hello. I'm unable to login to launchpad. I successfully pass the ubuntu one login, but then get a server error.
[23:26] <cjwatson> kugel: Do you have an OOPS ID?  If so, please email it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with an explanation of what's going on, and we'll deal with it during the week when sysadmins are around
[23:26] <cjwatson> kugel: (I said the same thing to you about 13.5 hours ago - perhaps you missed it)


[00:00] <huwshimi> Hey bac!
[00:01] <hatch> I gota run for an hour or so but huwshimi  when I get back I can answer any q's
[00:01] <huwshimi> sure
[01:42] <hatch> huwshimi hey back, so any other ideas on implementation or do you just want to land it as is?
[02:13] <huwshimi> hatch: Apologies I was eating lunch
[02:13] <huwshimi> Oh
[02:28]  * benji wonders how often huwshimi eats sashimi.
[02:29] <huwshimi> Mmm... sashimi
[11:06] <rick_h_> frankban: demo went off awesome. I've had several people pull me aside to say it was awesome/impressive including Mark S
[11:06] <frankban> rick_h_: \o/
[11:06] <rick_h_> so big case of Gui rocks!
[11:06] <rick_h_> :)
[11:07] <frankban> rick_h_: very cool, so this was the local charms, right?
[11:07] <rick_h_> local charms, and then while that deployed I used quickstart -i to choose a non-default environment, and deploy the mongodb cluser bundle
[11:08] <rick_h_> so hit both together and blew them away
[11:08] <frankban> rick_h_: great
[12:19] <bac> hey rick_h_
[12:41] <dimitern> rick_h_, awesome! so no issues with local charm uploads?
[12:42] <rick_h_> dimitern: nope was awesome. we've got some polish to do, but great demo.
[12:44] <dimitern> rick_h_, perfect! is there a deployed gui with local charms support? staging or something?
[12:48] <bac> he benji you around?
[12:48] <bac> rick_h_: ping
[12:49] <benji> bac: yep; what's up?
[12:49] <bac> benji: i've got a bundle inheritance question.  you up on that?
[12:49] <bac> benji: looky here:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bac/charms/bundles/charmworld-demo/bundle/view/head:/bundles.yaml
[12:51] <benji> I haven't done anything with bundle inheritance, but I'm looking at it :)
[12:52] <bac> benji: ok, i thought you had.  quickstart hates it.  i'll figure it out
[12:53] <benji> bac: I don't know for sure, but I think the charmworld-production is missing the "services" key.
[12:53] <benji> elasticsearch and mongodb should be under a "services" key
[12:54] <bac> ah, right
[12:54] <rick_h_> bac: pong
[12:55] <bac> rick_h_: hey i got a modified version of that charmworld bundle deployed in lxc.  the only tweak required was to change charmworld_import_limit to -1
[12:56] <bac> charm ships with 110, so you were seeing 110 bundles + back versions
[12:56] <rick_h_> bac: oh!
[12:56] <rick_h_> doh
[12:56]  * rick_h_ is so tired, but should have seen that
[13:07] <gary_poster> hey rick_h_, glad the demo went so well. :-)
[13:10] <rick_h_>  gary_poster woot
[13:38] <bac> jujugui: anyone ever use 'juju destroy-environment --force'? does it clear out stale 'provider-state' and other files that make juju think it is bootstrapped when it isn't?  (i just did i manually before discovering --force)
[13:39]  * gary_poster has never used
[13:48] <bac> jujugui: the lcy02 maintenance a few days ago knocked the charmworld CI off-line and it went unnoticed.  it is alive again.
[13:50] <benji> I wonder if there is a simple and effective dead man's switch we could implement for that.
[13:59] <rick_h_> jujugui added a customer bug to the kanban in urgent. It's an odd one. Customer has a workaround but if anyone gets a chance to poke at it appreciate it
[14:00] <rick_h_> I've told them we'd not have a fix until next week, so no one ruin their friday/weekend on it, but want to make sure we're responsive to them.
[14:01] <gary_poster> rick_h_: that may well be something specific to that charm.  Do you know the OpenStack charm guy?  He's probably there.
[14:01]  * gary_poster tries to remember name
[14:02]  * gary_poster has face...
[14:02] <rick_h_> gary_poster: ah, james?
[14:02] <gary_poster> no
[14:02] <gary_poster> he might know anyway
[14:03] <rick_h_> k, everyone is running for the hills so will see what I can find out
[14:03] <gary_poster> rick_h_: adam gandelman
[14:04] <gary_poster> though, yeah, james has more commits than I expected https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/nova-compute/trunk
[14:07] <hatch> lol has face
[14:07] <gary_poster> :-P
[14:08] <rick_h_> ok, going afk until probably sunday when I get back to the US. have fun all!
[14:08]  * rick_h_ ran out of mifi data 2gb in one week :/
[14:08] <gary_poster> bye rick_h_, safe travels
[14:09] <bac> frankban: do you know why quickstart/deployer would reject root-disk as an invalid constraint?
[14:10] <hatch> cya rick_h_  have a safe trip
[14:10] <gary_poster> bac, don't we whitelist constraints?
[14:11] <gary_poster> and I don't recall root-disk as a standard one
[14:11] <bac> gary_poster: is this wrong: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/reference-constraints.html
[14:11] <gary_poster> bac, unlikely, but it may well be *new*
[14:11] <bac> ah
[14:12] <bac> gary_poster: perhaps, but it has been part of the manual charmworld deploy, presumably for a while
[14:12] <frankban> bac: the first whitelist I see in the stack is ALLOWED_CONSTRAINTS in guiserver/bundles/utils.py
[14:12] <frankban> ALLOWED_CONSTRAINTS = ('arch', 'cpu-cores', 'cpu-power', 'mem')
[14:13] <frankban> bac: we should update that list if core introduces new constraints
[14:13] <frankban> and I am not sure about deployer's own validation, but it's worth looking there too
[14:14] <bac> frankban: agreed.  and proof should match too.  annoying to get a false positive from the cheap test of proof only to have it fail later.
[14:18] <bac> frankban: as shown here https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-constraints.html, the constraints list is space-separated for the command-line.  guiserver forces comma-separated.
[14:18] <bac> frankban: should we support both?
[14:19] <frankban> bac: we need to support what is supported by the deployer
[14:19] <gary_poster> (and only that)
[14:19] <frankban> bac: which can be different by how things are spelled in the juju-core cli
[14:20] <frankban> bac: what we ideally need is a shared/simple/complete/tested bundle validation Python library that can be used by proof/quickstart/guiserver/deployer...
[14:21] <bac> preach!
[14:21] <frankban> :-)
[14:21] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:21] <bac> frankban: and when we do, it would be nice if it matched what the juju-core CLI and documentation expects
[14:26] <gary_poster> crazy talk\
[14:26] <gary_poster> we part ways there
[14:32] <bac> gary_poster: you being funny, no?
[14:32] <gary_poster> bac, I am hilarity incarnate
[14:32] <bac> which is proven by folks having to ask.  :)
[14:33] <gary_poster> exactly :-)
[14:33] <bac> i understand.  my humor goes unappreciated here.
[14:33] <bac> here = my house
[14:33] <gary_poster> heh
[14:37] <bac> abentley: the charmworld ci process seems to be partially dead.  could you give me some pointers?  chat?
[14:37] <abentley> bac: sure, but opt right now.
[14:37] <abentley> OTP
[14:37] <bac> abentley: np.  eta?
[14:38] <abentley> 10
[14:38] <bac> thanks
[14:50] <abentley> bac: Okay, how can I help?
[14:51] <bac> abentley: let me invite you to a hangout
[15:03] <frankban> guihelp: what do I need to do in the GUI to add an external js lib (except for adding that in the assets and loading it in index)?
[15:04]  * gary_poster seems to recall docs in this direction.  looking
[15:04] <hatch> frankban see merge-files
[15:05] <hatch> it's in bin/
[15:05] <gary_poster> (and lib)
[15:06] <hatch> the one in lib is just the script, the one in bin is the one which has the 'extras' list
[15:06] <hatch> which I've kind of always found odd
[15:06] <hatch> heh
[15:06] <frankban> hatch: so I have to push new libs in that filesToLoad.js, correct? anything else in the Makefile?
[15:07] <gary_poster> hatch are you looking at huw's branch to make it landable per your qa, or should I or someone else?  https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/113
[15:07] <gary_poster> frankban: other thing: add a section to hacking doc describing what you did :-)
[15:07] <hatch> frankban that's it, nothing else required in the makefile
[15:07] <frankban> gary_poster: yeah I was thinking about that :-)
[15:08] <hatch> gary_poster yeah I think I'm going to pull it down and make some small changes and then re-push
[15:13] <gary_poster> ok thanks
[15:14] <hatch> gary_poster I'm also going to be working on adding view support to the viewlet manager
[15:14] <hatch> did you have anything else in the pipe you would like ahead of that?
[15:17] <hatch> in other news I was finally able to get my afp:// mount working
[15:23] <gary_poster> making notes, will be with you in a sec
[15:25] <hatch> *barf* this new coffee is horrid
[15:26] <hatch> benji any updates on the investigation? Boards still have it in starting
[15:26] <benji> hatch: I need to update the board.  I'll do that now.  The current situation is that I'm fighting with the testing infrastructure.
[15:27] <hatch> want to pair on it? Or is it just something you need to slog through?
[15:27] <gary_poster> hatch, viewlet -> view is good.
[15:28] <hatch> sounds good
[15:28] <benji> I'm not interested in pairing just yet.
[15:28] <hatch> benji ok np lemme know if you do
[15:29] <hatch> itunes is stuck playing a single song.....oh boy stable 14.04 can't come soon enough
[15:34] <abentley> bac: Oh, and since I didn't spell it out in voice chat, a swift or s3 container that's configured for public access is just an http URL, so it works with most tools.
[15:35] <bac> abentley: right
[15:43] <abentley> bac: I don't think you successfully installed tarmac into /usr/local/lib. https://pastebin.canonical.com/104462/
[15:44] <bac> abentley: just did.  had to clean out /usr/local/lib.../tarmac.  the new version wasn't getting written
[15:46] <abentley> bac: Woot!  It worked.
[15:46] <bac> cool
[15:49] <hatch> gary_poster huw's branch is landing with trivials from his code
[15:49] <hatch> odly enough I rebased my fix into his and it showed as him doing the work
[15:49] <hatch> so it must take the first commit as the 'owner' ?
[15:51] <gary_poster> dunno, but good all around
[15:52] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 8
[15:52] <hatch> yupyup
[15:55] <gary_poster> hatch, if rick is not back Monday and you are looking for something to do, maybe investigate DnD charm upgrade?  first cut UX would be to drag a charm on an existing service to trigger upgrade dialog, maybe?
[15:55] <gary_poster> and the viewlet -> view thing is not done
[15:55] <hatch> does core support it yet?
[15:55] <gary_poster> viewlet -> view more important
[15:56] <gary_poster> sure, same story: upload charm then can simply tell service to switch to new charm id that juju tells you
[15:56] <hatch> ahh right
[15:56] <hatch> I'll create a card in Project 1
[15:57] <hatch> gary_poster do we want to allow the drop on the inspector as well?
[15:57] <gary_poster> hatch. I considered it.  If you like it, try it. :-)
[15:58] <hatch> ok I made a card which will be split out into a few I think
[15:58] <gary_poster> cool
[15:58] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2
[16:01] <gary_poster> Makyo ping
[16:01] <Makyo> Keep getting "this party is over but you can start a new one"
[16:01] <Makyo> Trying other comp.
[16:01] <gary_poster> weird
[16:52] <bac> gary_poster: two leave requests added to canonicaladmin for your reviewing pleasure
[16:52] <gary_poster> btw, another remote collaborative tool worth following: http://screenhero.com/ .  Current killer for us is no Linux support, but supposedly in process/coming: http://feedback.screenhero.com/forums/192060-feature-requests/suggestions/3941833-make-screenhero-for-linux
[16:52] <gary_poster> ack bac, I eagerly await clicking buttons...will report back in a amoment
[16:53] <bac> gary_poster: and 1 day is rollover, so i just need to email sarah when approved, correct?
[16:53] <gary_poster> bac, yes, and cc me
[16:55] <gary_poster> bac, all approved .  Would you like me to write email to Sarah about using 2013 day?  I've done so in the past and am happy to.
[16:55] <gary_poster> will cc you
[16:56] <gary_poster> bac, actually you did it already.  following up.
[17:00] <benji> another thought on stateless components: instead of the top level dealing with a mutable bag of user state I wonder if we would be better served by passing in immutable state and getting back a sequence of changes to be enacted, that way we wouldn't have to infer changes from a state delta
[17:01] <benji> e.g.: pass in {sidebar: {minimized: false}} and if the user clicked on the sidebar show button we would get back actions = {sidebar: "un-minimize"}
[17:02] <gary_poster> benji, fwiw, that's my pattern for rendering actually: the factories return instructions on what to draw, rather than drawing themselves.  I was more direct for the event handlers, since I didn't want to have to come up with a vocabulary for the much larger (and yet-to-be-discovered) possible set of actions
[17:02] <hatch> benji you're basically taking the event system and bringing it down to the functional level with that
[17:03] <hatch> which is fine, it removes the async nature of it, (which might be a good thing)
[17:03] <benji> could be; hopefully with the benefits of events plus the benefits of a functional approach
[17:04] <gary_poster> I considered having generic data mutation actions, but I was using immutable data that had a _replace method on it to generate a new version, so it kind of felt like that already, for cheaper cost
[18:44] <Makyo> Boo  My solution doesn't work for some relations.
[18:45] <hatch> :(
[18:46] <Makyo> Was blithely checking relation hook failures, but some relations have multiple endpoints that connect to the same interface, like db and db-slave
[18:46] <frankban> guihelp: I need two reviews for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/115 . Anyone available? thanks! I'll try to make the changes and eventually land it in the we.
[18:47] <gary_poster> frankban: on it
[18:47] <hatch> sure I'll take it
[18:48] <frankban> benji: ^^^ I already have two reviewers, so, just FYI, that branch introduces the zip library and also adds a zip-utils module where to store helper functions for working with zip archives
[18:48] <frankban> gary_poster, hatch: thank you!
[18:49] <gary_poster> frankban: thanks np.  have a great weekend!  should we try to land it for you if we can?
[18:50] <benji> frankban: sounds good
[18:50] <frankban> gary_poster: sure! hopefully I will be able to do that in the we, but if not, please anyone feel free to take it
[18:51] <gary_poster> cool frankban.  ttyl
[18:51] <frankban> have a great weekend!
[18:52] <gary_poster> thanks :-)
[18:53] <gary_poster> hatch are you going to comment on modules-debug/modules-prod instead of the script tag, or shall I?
[18:54] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:54] <hatch> haha, I'm on lunch
[18:54] <hatch> go ahead
[18:54] <gary_poster> ok cool
[18:55] <hatch> I kind of wish we used the loader of some sort so that we didn't have to ship all of that js to the client all the time
[18:57] <gary_poster> but...we are building an app that needs all of it?
[18:57] <gary_poster> maybe I'm missing something
[18:57] <hatch> well it's just that you don't need it at all unless you're doing the local charm stuff
[18:57] <marcoceppi> so. quickstart kind of went a little wonky during the charm school today
[18:57] <hatch> so it has to be shipped for the 90% of the time that's unused
[18:58] <gary_poster> tell us more marcoceppi?
[18:58] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: oh, it's been recorded to youtube for prosperity, but basically it wasn't able to connect to the juju-gui websocket
[18:59] <marcoceppi> posterity, even
[18:59] <marcoceppi> let me find you the link where I start to panic
[19:00] <gary_poster> oh! weird, and I'm sorry.  was there anything unusual about the circumstances?  A bug report--or anything written--giving details would be fantastic
[19:00] <marcoceppi> juju quickstart -i ~/production.yaml was what I ran
[19:00] <gary_poster> we'll make one if you don't, of course, but it would be better to have you give us the details (and easier :-P)
[19:00] <gary_poster> marcoceppi, local env? ec2?
[19:00] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: I didn't really take time to debug, just kind of swept under the run and moved on
[19:00] <marcoceppi> hpcloud
[19:00] <gary_poster> sure of course
[19:01] <marcoceppi> I'll attempt it again now to see if I can repro
[19:01] <marcoceppi> is there a verbose flag or someting I can use?
[19:01] <gary_poster> I bet we haven't done much hpcloud ourselves.  Thank you!
[19:01] <gary_poster> marcoceppi: --debug
[19:02] <marcoceppi> cool, will give that a go now
[19:02] <gary_poster> thank you much
[19:14] <hatch> gary_poster I don't get an email from linked-in for over a year, I log in thanks to you and now I get about 1 a day lol
[19:14] <gary_poster> hatch, heh, sorry ;-)
[19:15] <bac> gary_poster: looking at the deployer code i see that it parses the constraints only as space-separated key=value pairs.  looks like guiserver using comma-separated is an outlier.
[19:48] <bac> jujugui: if you attempt to apploy a bundle via quickstart or the juju-gui, juju-core api requires that referenced charm urls have revisions in them.  if you don't you get an error message back like "Error": "charm url must include revision"
[19:49] <bac> the juju-deployer doesn't use the api and juju-core CLI doesn't have that restriction
[19:49] <bac> anyone know the rational?
[19:49] <bac> s/apploy/deploy/
[19:51] <bac> marcoceppi:  ^^^ that's what led to the bug i filed yesterday
[19:52] <benji> bac: I don't know of any reason we would include that constraint.  frankban would be a good person to ask.
[19:52] <marcoceppi> bac: thanks for the clarification
[19:52] <bac> benji: it isn't us.  it is juju-core
[19:52] <marcoceppi> couldn't you just do revision expansion?
[19:53] <marcoceppi> so charm: "mysql" would expand to cs:precise/mysql-33
[19:53] <marcoceppi> or are we of the idea that charms should be explicit? and if so that's something the remote proof will have to include, charm-tools proof only does a few things
[19:53] <marcoceppi> charm url validation occurs on the API side
[19:54] <benji> ahh, in that case I would suspect it is an accident of implementation (and an organizational anti-pattern: all clients should use the same API)
[19:54] <marcoceppi> in the case of proofing, the API I'm referring to is the charmworld api
[19:56] <marcoceppi> bac: https://manage.jujucharms.com/api/3/bundle/proof is where that should be fixed, not charm-tools
[19:57] <bac> marcoceppi: it would be better to find out if it is a false restriction and realign the juju-core api with the cli.
[19:57] <marcoceppi> true
[19:57] <marcoceppi> fwiw, the cli exapnds it prior to sending the charm url over
[19:58] <marcoceppi> so either we replicate that within juju-gui or just expose the more strict nature of the api and say you must have a version
[19:58] <marcoceppi> juju-gui server/quickstart
[20:00] <bac> i think from the perspective of a bundle specifying a particular revision is desirable, which guarantees this collection of charms works together.  with no revision you get the latest and that group of charms may have incompatabilities.
[20:01] <bac> i think i just argued with myself, again.
[20:04] <hatch> yes that's a definite requirement else you get issues like we have with npm dependencies
[20:21] <gary_poster> jorge wants the loose approach too
[20:21] <gary_poster> He thinks he does, anyway :-)
[20:28] <hatch> well I could see that it would be ok
[20:29] <hatch> but that's kind of the cowboy approach and not for 'approved' charms
[20:29] <hatch> er bundles
[20:29] <hatch> at least IN MY MOST HUMBLE OF OPPINIONS
[20:29] <hatch> IMMHOO
[20:31] <gary_poster> hatch is calling out to the Canadian moose in Saskatoon
[20:32] <gary_poster> (and I agree)
[20:38] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: bac hatch I think jorge and I are in the same boat
[20:38] <marcoceppi> Give you enough rope to hang yourself
[20:38] <gary_poster> :-) k
[20:38] <bac> marcoceppi: can you clarify that boat
[20:38] <gary_poster> he wants to be able to have bundles that do not specify versions
[20:38] <marcoceppi> with regards to specifying versions in charms. I think we can talk about promulgated bundles being locked
[20:38] <gary_poster> cool
[20:39] <marcoceppi> but I should be able to strap on spurs and a 10 Gal hat with my own bundle namespace
[20:39] <gary_poster> I'd agree with that, and I think that's what we had intended for some time now
[20:39] <gary_poster> heh, sure
[20:39] <bac> so are we advocating for a change to guiserver to accept revision-less charm urls, look up the latest, and hand it to the juju-core API?
[20:39] <gary_poster> it's a deployer thing
[20:39] <marcoceppi> IMMHOO, yes
[20:39] <gary_poster> and I think it already does it there
[20:39] <gary_poster> heh
[20:39] <bac> NO
[20:39] <bac> well, deployer uses the CLI
[20:39] <hatch> marcoceppi so, approved bundles would require versions?
[20:39] <bac> and the CLI does it
[20:39] <gary_poster> ah right
[20:40] <marcoceppi> well promulgated bundles, if that ever exists, yes
[20:40] <gary_poster> though the deployer should be able to change for 1.18
[20:40] <bac> so, as marcoceppi said earlier, we'd have to have guiserver do the lookup before calling the api
[20:40]  * gary_poster suggests we wait for 1.18
[20:40] <gary_poster> and then have the deployer do the righth thing with the API
[20:40] <bac> i'm confused
[20:40] <gary_poster> and then use that
[20:40] <bac> the deployer does what jorge wants
[20:40] <gary_poster> the POWAA!
[20:41] <hatch> ugh who chose promulgated to be the word.....SERIOUSLY
[20:41] <hatch> was 'promoted' too easy?
[20:41] <hatch> :P
[20:41] <gary_poster> bac what do you mean?
[20:41] <marcoceppi> haha, you would get along with jorge swimingly
[20:41] <hatch> lol
[20:41] <bac> the deployer uses the CLI and does what jorge wants, revisionless charm urls
[20:41] <bac> currently
[20:42] <bac> juju-quickstart and juju-gui use the API and must have revisions
[20:42] <bac> so....
[20:42] <gary_poster> bac, in 1.18 the CLI uses the API
[20:42] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: for juju deploy? I thought it already did since 1.16
[20:43] <bac> gary_poster: ok, then in 1.18 jorge will be sad in all cases
[20:43] <gary_poster> marcoceppi: mebbe so.  I know that the API work is still ongoing
[20:43] <bac> who would like to have a quick hangout?
[20:43] <gary_poster> bac, no, my hope is that the API does the looking up on the server side now
[20:43] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: the CLI does the charm url conversion for by doing a look up against store.juju.ubuntu.com

[20:43] <bac> or shall we continue this whoseonfirst routine?
[20:43] <gary_poster> marcoceppi: and then talks to the API?
[20:44] <marcoceppi> when I run juju deploy mysql in 1.17.X it resolves the charm url then, I believe, uses api to do the deploy
[20:44]  * marcoceppi runs --debug
[20:44] <gary_poster> seems a shame that the charm url conversion is not done on the server side
[20:44] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: networking concerns
[20:44] <bac> marcoceppi, gary_poster: please to be joining me.  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Z2FyeS5wb3N0ZXJAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.t3m5giuddiv9epub48d9skdaso
[20:44] <marcoceppi> though, the same exists for the desktop I guess
[21:08] <Makyo> gary_poster, hatch Current impl of relation is in error.  Appears to work, but may be worth a second set of eyes, if either of you have time. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6893602/
[21:08] <bac> gary_poster: bug 1277696
[21:08] <_mup_> Bug #1277696: Bundles with revision-less charm URLs should deploy <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277696>
[21:09] <gary_poster> hatch finished https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/115 ; ready for you
[21:09] <gary_poster> thank you bac
[21:09] <gary_poster> will mess with it in a sec
[21:09] <gary_poster> looking Makyo
[21:09] <bac> gary_poster: feel free to correct the description if muddy or wrong
[21:09] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[21:11] <gary_poster> Makyo: trivial but maybe worth clarification: "...side of the relation are in a relation error state..." -> "...side of the relation are in an error state for this relation..." or something like that?  awkward.  do what you will.  still reading
[21:11] <Makyo> Oh, right, didn't get to the comment yet.  Will do.
[21:13] <hatch> gary_poster ok thanks I'll get to it once I get out of viewlet manager mode
[21:13] <gary_poster> ack thanks hatch
[21:13]  * bac -> dog walk
[21:15] <hatch> Makyo looks good just maybe some inline comments explaining what the code does so future us doesn't have to actually read the code :D and just FYI arrays have a native some() in all of our supported browsers
[21:15] <Makyo> hatch, cool, thanks.  Will ensure 'some', but yeah, comments on the way.
[21:16] <hatch> this viewlets and views code is a headache
[21:16] <hatch> from now on, I want the final app spec before I start any code :P
[21:17] <hatch> enterprise baby!!!
[21:17] <gary_poster> Makyo, looks good to me.  I have a couple of minor niggles for you to take or leave.  (1) the `indexOf(sourceEndpoint[1].name + ...) !== -1 seems potentially problematic (if I have a name "bar" and another name "foobar", for instance).  Can't we use `...[21:17] <gary_poster> hatch :-P good luck :-)
[21:17] <hatch> lol
[21:17] <Makyo> gary_poster, oh, okay, yeah.  Will take a look.
[21:19] <gary_poster> Makyo: thanks, cool.  (2) I love me some functional programming, but I wonder if the sourceEndpoint & targetEndpoint assignment would be clearer (and as short or shorter) with conditionals
[21:20] <Makyo> gary_poster, oh, so sourceEndpoint = endpoints[0][0] [21:20] <gary_poster> if (this.endpoints[0][0] [21:20] <gary_poster> or whatever
[21:20] <gary_poster> yeah what you said is good direction too
[21:21] <Makyo> Can you expand arrays like that?
[21:21] <Makyo> That'd be neat.
[21:21] <gary_poster> no
[21:21] <Makyo> Boo! >:/
[21:21] <gary_poster> too much language exploration
[21:21] <gary_poster> sorry :-)
[21:21] <Makyo> Haha, I wish
[21:22] <hatch> apparently some iteration of ES6 has the multi assignment stuff added
[21:22] <gary_poster> yay
[21:23] <gary_poster> bac, moved "[suggestion] quickstart cmdline option for which juju to use" card to slack.  putting your new bug in its place.  AOK?
[21:24] <gary_poster> bac, uh, confused.  So we should close bug 1277188, replaced by bug 1277696; and open a new bug about the comma/space difference in constraints parsing?
[21:24] <_mup_> Bug #1277188: charm-proof should warn on revision-less charm URLs <charmworld:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277188>
[21:24] <_mup_> Bug #1277696: Bundles with revision-less charm URLs should deploy <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277696>
[21:25] <gary_poster> OIC
[21:25] <gary_poster> no, we want all three. :-/ k
[21:44] <Makyo> gary_poster, hatch http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6893754/ ?
[21:44] <gary_poster> looking
[21:44] <hatch> oo pretty green
[21:45] <gary_poster> Makyo: looking good.  Only additional thought, that hatch can probably answer, is whether this is the right logic for peer relations
[21:45] <gary_poster> Is it?  Or is that not even pertinent?
[21:46] <Makyo> gary_poster, hatch not pertinent; peer relations are filtered out in the drawing process.  Logic will have to change if it goes down into handler level code.
[21:46] <gary_poster> Maybe not pertinent because it would not participate in a relation menu
[21:46] <gary_poster> cool
[21:46] <hatch> Makyo isn't this.source.units is not already an array? Isn't it a LML? Or is toArray() just a passthrough in that case?
[21:47] <Makyo> hatch, passthrough, I think. source.units is definitely not an array.
[21:47] <hatch> gotchaz
[21:47] <hatch> +1
[21:47] <hatch> looks good here
[21:47] <gary_poster> Makyo: cool, looks good.  For future: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/New_in_JavaScript/1.7#Destructuring_assignment_(Merge_into_own_page.2Fsection) :-)
[21:48] <Makyo> Whew, okay.  Glad I caught the weird dual relations case.  Good test is mediawiki with two mysqls.  The interfaces are different on mediawiki, but the same on each mysql.
[21:49] <Makyo> Bonus :D
[21:49] <hatch> :) yay
[21:50] <hatch> yay go future javascript
[21:50] <hatch> which we can't use if we ever don't support the latest browsers
[21:50] <gary_poster> heh, open the inspector when you go to that page and look at console.  Maybe this is only new to me
[21:51]  * hatch hands gary a fancy hat and whistle.... "Welcome to the internet!!!"
[21:51] <gary_poster> :-P
[21:51] <hatch> lol
[22:01]  * Makyo dogwalk, then tests.
[22:01] <hatch> the viewlet manager now accepts viewlets AND views
[22:01] <hatch> unfortunately all the css is broken with views
[22:01] <hatch> yay
[22:02] <hatch> probably a rather simple specificity fix though so that's good
[22:05] <hatch> OO 168 test failures
[22:06] <hatch> there are so many test failures that the scrollback in my terminal doesn't go that far
[22:06] <hatch> haha oops
[22:17] <gary_poster> heh
[22:18]  * gary_poster running
[22:18] <gary_poster> have a great weekend and next week!


[00:00] <phillw> we use alsa as default, not pulse audio
[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> the alternate .iso appears to have performed a minimal install without X or lubuntu-desktop, not sure if you intended that
[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> looks as if it is pulling pulse
[00:00] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: no, it USED to perform that task until a a week, or two ago.
[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> I will let you know
[00:01] <adueppen> I just realized, the Ubiquity bug isn't assigned to anyone, even though my task for GCI is to fix it. Should I assign it to myself?
[00:01] <bodhi_zazen> adueppen, do you know python ?
[00:02] <adueppen> bodhi_zazen: not really but I was told it would probably be an easy fix
[00:02] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: in the script for the alternate, it should have a pretty simple tasksel lubuntu-desktop line.
[00:02] <adueppen> I have more experience with JS but wanted to try something new
[00:04] <bodhi_zazen> phillw, where is the script ?
[00:05] <phillw> not sure where the build scripts are... AFAIK, Julien provides the lubuntu-meta and the build system pulls it into the automatic build
[00:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: we don
[00:05] <tsimonq2> 't have a package set for Lubuntu?
[00:05] <tsimonq2> whoops :)
[00:07] <adueppen> bodhi_zazen: doing a bit of searching it looks like this issue might be fixed by changing `status = int(status)` from int() to float() since apparently the value of status is a decimal.
[00:08] <bodhi_zazen> sure, give it a try
[00:10] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: you'd need to poke someone like Colin, as what is front facing is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/view/head:/etc/crontab
[00:11] <adueppen> it would be almost hilarious if the fix for this bug ends up being the very first thing I looked up when I claimed the task.
[00:11] <phillw> wxl: does server image now behave as epecpected?
[00:11] <phillw> *expected
[00:13] <bodhi_zazen> still pulling lubuntu-desktop
[00:14] <adueppen> well time to reboot
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> gtk2 and 3 engines ...
[00:17] <adueppen> well I tried editing debconf.py but that didn't fix it.
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> same error ?
[00:18] <wxl> phillw: don't know. teward disappeared
[00:18] <wxl> adueppen: you'll need to have an image with persistence
[00:18] <adueppen> wxl: I do
[00:19] <wxl> adueppen: so you made the change and then rebooted?
[00:19] <adueppen> I just reopened the file and it's still the same as when I made changes
[00:19] <wxl> then your persistence is messed up XD
[00:19] <adueppen> wxl: no like it still has the float() that I added
[00:19] <bodhi_zazen> I don't know if persistence will help, I think a new .iso, not sure when during the boot overlay will be applied
[00:19] <wxl> oh i see sorry
[00:19] <bodhi_zazen> adueppen, error message ?
[00:19] <wxl> i think the split before takes care of the decimal anyways
[00:20] <adueppen> bodhi_zazen: you want the traceback?
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> yes, can you pastebin it ?
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> as well as the origional bug report
[00:21] <adueppen> bodhi_zazen: the log from the original report?
[00:21] <bodhi_zazen> yes the link to the orig. reprot and the traceback after your change please
[00:21] <adueppen> ok
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> I am on lxqt / fedora installing lubuntu-desktop in a vm
[00:24] <adueppen> wait isn't it supposed to be in /var/log/installer?
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> not sure, lol
[00:27] <adueppen> wxl: do you know where the ubiquity log is supposed to be? I can't find it
[00:27] <bodhi_zazen> lubuntu using upstart ?
[00:28] <wxl> adueppen: traceback should be in Xorg.0.log
[00:28] <wxl> bodhi_zazen: naw we're all systemd now. there may be some leftover bits of upstart floating around, but it's not really being used.
[00:28] <wxl> for init that is
[00:29] <bodhi_zazen> ok
[00:29] <adueppen> wxl I mean the log like this one: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230360893/UbiquityDm.txt
[00:31] <wxl> adueppen: looks like an Xorg.0.log to me
[00:31] <wxl> in fact:
[00:31] <wxl> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Dec 17 17:55:25 2015
[00:31] <tsimonq2> wxl! See cjwatson's email...
[00:32] <wxl> which one? i don't see any tsimonq2
[00:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2015-December/003488.html
[00:32] <wxl> weird i haven't got it
[00:33] <wxl> whoa ubiquity bug may be fixed!
[00:34] <bodhi_zazen> wxl, congrats
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> wxl, what was the fix ?
[00:39] <wxl> bodhi_zazen: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/ubiquity/+changelog
[00:39] <wxl> !info ubiquity xenial
[00:41] <wxl> yeah it's not in main yet
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> windows is crashing AGAIN
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> windows 7 on laptops has been nothing but problematic
[00:49] <wxl> ok ubiquity 2.21.41 is in main
[00:49] <wxl> reuilding desktop images
[00:51] <bodhi_zazen> ok the alt install image looks good
[00:51] <wxl> except for the fact that lubuntu-desktop didn't install correct bodhi_zazen ?
[00:51] <bodhi_zazen> yes
[00:51] <wxl> which is NOT ok
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> pulseaudio is installed
[00:52] <wxl> someone needs to check server and see if there's problems there
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> not sure if it is running or not
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> also it does not seem to like the spice server
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen> is there some package or configuration for ubuntu to use spice ?
[01:07] <adueppen> will the updated ubiquity be available in tomorrow's ISO?
[01:07] <bodhi_zazen> OK, well I am done testing for the day
[01:07] <wxl> adueppen: yes but i'm rebuilding the isos now
[01:07] <bodhi_zazen> let me know if you need anything more
[01:07] <adueppen> wxl: OK thanks
[01:10] <bodhi_zazen> ok, got spice fixed, had to add tablet to guest
[01:11] <tsimonq2> !info ubiquity xenial
[01:11]  * tsimonq2 kicks ubot93
[01:12] <tsimonq2> !info ubiquity xenial
[01:12] <tsimonq2> !info ubiquity
[01:17] <tsimonq2> ubot93: wake up!
[01:17] <tsimonq2> !info ubiquity
[01:17] <tsimonq2> !info ubiquity xenial
[01:17]  * tsimonq2 gives up
[01:53] <ianorlin> oh wow just got email but how long until we can respin?
[02:13] <Kamilion> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/g3-strong-geomagnetic-storming-likely-31-december
[02:17] <Kamilion> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14301937
[02:17] <Kamilion> wajig says "unable to locate package apt-setup" when i ask it to 'show apt-setup'.
[02:18] <adueppen> did I miss anything from when I accidentally closed my laptop lid?
[02:18] <Kamilion> Ubiquity calls itself version 2.21.40 when I ask wajig to 'show ubiquity', but it also shows as "not installed".
[02:18] <adueppen> wait did the new ISOs become available?
[02:18] <Kamilion> no idea
[02:19] <Kamilion> [15:25:31] <wxl> Kamilion: pastebin the sources.list and gimme a version on apt-setup please  <--- responding to this
[02:19] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14301937/
[02:19] <Kamilion> wajig says "unable to locate package apt-setup" when i ask it to 'show apt-setup'.
[02:20] <tsimonq2> adueppen: yes I think
[02:20] <Kamilion> VM destroyed, moving on to 1230.1
[02:21] <adueppen> hmm there does seem to be a new ISO that was uploaded at 7:41PM cst
[02:21] <adueppen> whois wxl
[02:22] <adueppen> whoops meant to have a slash before that
[02:22] <Kamilion> pulling http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20151231/ to test
[02:22] <Kamilion> no http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20151231/   yet to try the alternate
[02:23] <adueppen> Kamilion: I'll test the daily-live image too
[02:37] <adueppen> just tested, bug has not been fixed in the latest daily
[02:39] <adueppen> ubiquity is still on the older version
[04:07] <Kamilion> 20151230.1 seems to have apt working.
[04:07] <Kamilion> but still missing lubuntu-desktop
[04:08] <Kamilion> wajig
[04:08] <Kamilion> install lubuntu-desktop htop iftop byobu
[04:08] <Kamilion> whoops, wrong window
[04:08] <ianorlin> Kamilion: what is the right window for that?
[04:08] <Kamilion> virtualbox :<
[04:09] <Kamilion> ... what the hell
[04:09] <Kamilion> need to get 442MB of archives, 1788MB of additional disk space? for lubuntu-desktop?
[04:09] <Kamilion> from the lubuntu-alternate?
[04:09] <ianorlin> what it is it installing?
[04:09] <Kamilion> I don't know?
[04:10] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14304605/
[04:10] <Kamilion> Doesn't look like much, and a bunch of those were from me installing wajig
[04:11] <Kamilion> but yeah, the alternate's still fudged hard (but it appears the apt-setup issue is fixed)
[04:12] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14304643/
[04:12] <Kamilion> there's the sources.list for 20151230.1
[04:13]  * Kamilion demolishes the VM
[04:14] <Kamilion> next, 20151231 daily-live.
[04:17]  * ianorlin starts zsyncing amd64
[04:17] <adueppen> Kamilion: if you look above, I tested the 1231 daily-live and ubiquity hasn't been updated in it yet.
[04:18] <ianorlin> !info ubiquity
[04:18] <adueppen> ianorlin: the latest version is 2.21.41
[04:18] <adueppen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1527353/comments/8
[04:18] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14304810/
[04:19] <Kamilion> 2 minute gap between "Install Ubuntu" starting ubiquity, and me starting it from lxterminal
[04:19] <Kamilion> same Null Cursor as before.
[04:20] <Kamilion> Alllrighty, that's all of the validation tasks I had for the day
[04:21] <Kamilion> adueppen: did you require anything else?
[04:21] <adueppen> Kamilion: ?
[04:21] <Kamilion> I can't remember
[04:22] <Kamilion> was just the ubiquity problem, right?
[04:22] <adueppen> Kamilion: yes
[04:22] <Kamilion> Alright, cool.
[04:22] <ianorlin> yes it installs once ubiquity starts in the live session if you have enough resources
[04:22] <Kamilion> sorry, I've got a million tabs and private messages open XD
[04:22] <Kamilion> right, it's crashing the first time though.
[04:23] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14304810/   <-- when "Install Ubuntu" is selected from the boot menu instead of the live desktop.
[04:23] <ianorlin> on virtualbox?
[04:23] <Kamilion> vbox, vmware esxi, native boot./
[04:23] <ianorlin> yeah it might be my desktop crashes faster on kvm
[04:23] <Kamilion> 2GB to 64GB of ram
[04:23] <Kamilion> so it's definitely not a resource problem
[04:23] <adueppen> Kamilion: It's crashing the first time but isn't updated in the newest daily-live yet
[04:23] <Kamilion> at least, not on my end
[04:24] <ianorlin> I don't think it is in the latest xenial repos so even if we respun the isos again not sure it would work
[04:25] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/mesX8/f921175812.png
[04:28] <adueppen> Kamilion: wow I can see what you mean by "a million tabs"
[04:29] <Kamilion> only 189
[04:29] <tsimonq2> 0.0
[04:29]  * Kamilion has four windows like that open.
[04:29] <adueppen> I can only have 4GB ram on my desktop
[04:29] <adueppen> motherboard limit
[04:29] <Kamilion> ah.
[04:29] <Kamilion> my motherboard limit is 1TB
[04:30] <Kamilion> http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron6000/SR56x0/H8QG6-F.cfm
[04:30] <Kamilion> and my case...
[04:30] <Kamilion> http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/748/SC748TQ-R1400.cfm
[04:30] <adueppen> Kamilion: as soon as I see supermicro, I know they mean business...
[04:45] <Kamilion> pretty much.
[12:43] <bodhi_zazen>
[14:22] <teward> phillw: Kamilion: wxl: tsimonq2: the apt-setup bug is resolved in the 20151231 of Server, anyone want to test the Lubuntu Alt to see if that is resolved for you guys as well?
[15:04] <teward> oop wait
[15:04] <teward> wxl: ping - need you to respin the ISOs and rebuild - 20151230.1 won't help us, with some of these, (we need 20151231)
[17:34] <wxl> teward: i need to respin what now?
[17:34] <teward> wxl: nevermind we are waiting on cron
[17:34] <teward> but there was no 20151231 iso build
[17:34] <teward> :P
[17:34] <teward> at least, not for alternate
[17:34] <wxl> whaaa
[17:35] <teward> but now there is
[17:35] <wxl> we should have got one at 1645 or so
[17:35] <teward> it's up now
[17:35] <teward> but it WASN'T when I pinged
[17:35] <wxl> k good
[17:35] <teward> :)
[17:35] <wxl> who's up for testing? adueppen phillw tsimonq2 Kamilion ?
[17:36] <adueppen> wxl: is there an ISO with the new version of ubiquity available yet?
[17:36] <wxl> adueppen: what version number?
[17:36] <teward> wxl: i know it works in Server, so the alt should be good with the sources.list issue :P
[17:36] <adueppen> wxl: 2.21.40
[17:37] <adueppen> wait no it's 2.21.41
[17:37] <adueppen> !info ubiquity xenial
[17:37] <wxl> !info ubiquity xenial
[17:37] <wxl> hahahah great minds think alike :)
[17:37] <adueppen> yeah
[17:38] <adueppen> seems to be updated now
[17:38] <wxl> so that looks good
[17:38] <wxl> let's check one more place
[17:38] <adueppen> I'll do some i386 testing because GCI
[17:38] <wxl> if you look on cdimage.u.c you can see the .list files that include all the packages
[17:38] <wxl> i recommend:
[17:39] <wxl> wget -q something.list -O - | grep ubiquity
[17:39] <wxl> which gives us 2.21.41
[17:39] <wxl> for e.g. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20151231.1/xenial-desktop-amd64.list
[17:39] <wxl> just passing that on for your general testing edification :)
[17:39] <wxl> but yes please test!
[17:40] <wxl> teward: last night when bodhi_zazen tested alternate with the correct apt-setup version, we didn't have a lubuntu-desktop in the install
[17:40] <wxl> teward: was server having any problems with proper tasksel installs?
[17:40] <teward> wxl: haven't tested those yet
[17:40] <teward> only tested the cdrom issue
[17:40] <teward> but i think tasksel may stillbe having issues
[17:40] <teward> there's a few other things on my list to test, but i haven't gotten to SErver TaskSel tasks yet
[17:41] <teward> those're different testcases
[17:41] <teward> they're on my list but i'm doing devel testing for something for my workplace first now, as it's "Top Priority"
[17:41] <teward> and for every hour I bill on that I make $15 so... :P
[17:42] <wxl> yeah i have some urgent work stuff to do, too, but if you or someone else on server qa team could check that and report back, i'd really appreciate it
[17:42] <wxl> otherwise i'll get my testers on it but i think not everyone's awake yet
[17:43] <wxl> phillw: your connection issues get resolved?
[17:43] <phillw> not until 4th Jan :)
[17:43] <adueppen> wxl: I'm pretty sure tsimonq2 isn't up yet, which doesn't surprise me knowing him.
[17:43] <wxl> darn >:(
[17:43] <wxl> adueppen: you have his phone number? >:)
[17:43] <adueppen> wxl: no sorry
[17:44] <adueppen> wxl: he's not on hangouts either so a video call wouldn't work either
[17:44] <wxl> darn
[17:45] <wxl> too bad there's not a gci list that reaches out to all the students
[17:45] <adueppen> wxl: maybe suggest that to google for next time
[17:45]  * wxl nods
[17:46]  * tsimonq2 yawns loudly
[17:46] <tsimonq2> morning yall
[17:46] <adueppen> good morning tsimonq2
[17:47] <tsimonq2> just woke up
[17:47] <adueppen> see above
[17:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: please check and confirm again lubuntu alternate is not having the problem with sources.list
[17:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: then check to see if lubuntu-desktop is included in the install. if not, dig and see if we can find info about what's up with tasksel. make a bug.
[17:48] <wxl> tsimonq2: then check server and see if it, too, is having problems with tasksel
[17:48] <adueppen> oh yay now my internet is being weird again. ETA going from 2min to 26 to 3.
[17:48] <tsimonq2> I will when I clean out my email and respond to the millions of pings I got on IRC :P
[17:48] <wxl> teward: can you give tsimonq2 an example testcase to check server taskel?
[17:48] <wxl> tsimonq2: maybe if you dole out the pings less, you'd get less back :)
[17:48] <tsimonq2> ha lol
[17:48] <tsimonq2> never goona happen ;)
[17:51] <teward> wxl: unless he doesn't have access to the ISO tracker he can access them himself
[17:51] <wxl> teward: yes i'm sure he does, but is it obvious?
[17:51] <teward> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/109595/testcases
[17:51] <teward> Install tasks
[17:51] <teward> Bind9
[17:51] <teward> Mail Server
[17:51] <teward> Print Server
[17:51] <teward> OpenSSH Server
[17:52] <teward> LAMP
[17:52] <teward> etc.
[17:52] <wxl> hear that, tsimonq2 ?
[17:52] <teward> additional install test cases
[17:52] <tsimonq2> me runs his script while he is checking his email and such, so I can have fresh ISOs
[17:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: hm?
[17:52] <teward> [2015-12-31 12:48:20] <wxl> teward: can you give tsimonq2 an example testcase to check server taskel?
[17:52] <wxl> tsimonq2: when you test server use that link above and check one of the tasksel test cases like e.g. OpenSSH server
[17:53] <wxl> aww my lug accepted my pull request http://euglug.org/ </offtopic>
[17:54]  * tsimonq2 has done Server test cases before and can manage to find a good test case as long as everybody who has theirs in progress marks it as so, thank you
[17:55] <tsimonq2> so I know :P
[17:55] <wxl> tsimonq2: check in with me or teward if you have questions
[17:55] <teward> tsimonq2: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/109595/testcases/1406/results is a big one :P
[17:55] <teward> please run the testcase
[17:55] <tsimonq2> woah jeez give me 10 minutes
[17:56] <teward> no rush :)
[17:56]  * teward yawns and lurks some more
[17:56] <tsimonq2> reading my email...wxl, since those bugs are fixed, are we gonna go forward with the delayed time?
[17:57] <tsimonq2> *emails
[17:57] <tsimonq2> as in Aplha 1
[17:57] <adueppen> well here's the moment of truth
[17:58] <adueppen> YES
[17:58] <adueppen> Ubiquity is fixed
[18:00] <wxl> sweeeeet
[18:00] <tsimonq2> ok, now idling waiting for my ISOs to sync...
[18:00] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:00]  * tsimonq2 checks RSS
[18:00] <wxl> tsimonq2: i think so, but i wanted to get a little spot check done today
[18:02] <tsimonq2> seriously?! I am getting ~ 500 kBps down!
[18:03] <wxl> good job tsimonq2
[18:13] <adueppen> on the current daily image, the ubiquity slideshow shows "Welcome to Lubuntu 15.10" and I can't seem to find this reported anywhere. what package would it be in?
[18:14] <adueppen> I don't think it would be in ubiquity itself since the slideshow is customized for each flavor
[18:36] <wxl> hey tsimonq2 when you get a chance after you've done everything else i asked, could you check to see if other flavors have that slideshow issue adueppen mentioned? he'll give you a bug number in a bit
[18:42] <wxl> adueppen: could you please make a comment on the ubiquity bug that it's fixed as far as you can tell and reference the particular image version and architecture?
[18:42] <adueppen> wxl: sure
[18:43]  * tsimonq2 starts
[18:43] <tsimonq2> stupid zsync speed
[18:44] <tsimonq2> I need fiber! :P

[18:45] <teward> tsimonq2: no you need 100Mbit/second cable :P
[18:45] <teward> (also offtopic)
[18:46] <adueppen> teward: I have 60Mbit/second cable, is that good enough? (offtopic)
[18:47] <teward> adueppen: lol, yeah that's fine
[18:48] <adueppen> teward: yeah I know, it's good enough that I mailed a flash drive to a friend in Canada since his internet is slow enough that it would be faster than him downloading it
[18:48] <wxl> hHahahahah
[18:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: yay I know I have the new server ISO because the installer is updated
[18:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: when I put in a password, it gives me an option to show it which is a godsend
[19:19]  * wxl does not click
[19:30] <tsimonq2> hm?
[19:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: ping ping ping, Print Server doesn't show up in the options for the Server ISO, this test case: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/109595/testcases/1408/resultshttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/109595/testcases/1408/results
[19:32] <tsimonq2> gosh darnit, only: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/109595/testcases/1408/results
[19:33] <tsimonq2> screesnhot on it's way
[19:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: http://imgur.com/S75eSDC
[19:34] <tsimonq2> I have no idea why...
[19:37] <adueppen> tsimonq2: just a tip, if you press your host key in Virtualbox + E it'll take a screenshot of just the VM screen
[19:38]  * tsimonq2 facepalms
[19:38] <tsimonq2> thanks adueppen
[19:38] <adueppen> tsimonq2: it took me a while to find it too
[21:35] <Kamilion> urrrgh.
[21:35]  * Kamilion stretches
[21:35] <Kamilion> wxl: so, the apt-setup patch worked.
[21:36] <Kamilion> gonna test the ubiquity bug in a few minutes
[21:36] <adueppen> Kamilion: it seems that the ubiquity bug has been fixed
[21:37] <adueppen> this hell is finally over
[21:38] <Kamilion> oh
[21:38]  * Kamilion aborts then
[21:39] <Kamilion> adueppen: good timing, I was *just* getting into the folder to download it from, heh
[21:39] <adueppen> Kamilion: I commented on the bug as well
[21:40] <Kamilion> adueppen: I just got back to the computer; legit have ~30 pings to deal with, heh
[21:41] <adueppen> Kamilion: at least you didn't wake up with 1106 hangouts messages like I did
[21:41] <Kamilion> .....
[21:42] <Kamilion> my gmail *inbox* doesn't even get that volume, what the heck, is that all porn spambots or something?
[21:43] <adueppen> Kamilion: someone spamming a group chat with stickers to try to cover up some information
[21:43] <Kamilion> "stickers"?
[21:44] <adueppen> these stupid little pictures in Hangouts that are essentially glorified emoji
[21:44] <Kamilion> *sigh*
[21:44] <adueppen> hopefully next year's word of the year isn't one of them
[22:05] <ianorlin> and I thought launchpad could get spammy ....
[22:20] <wxl> disappeared but back now
[22:20] <tsimonq2> heyyyyyy it's wxl
[22:21] <ianorlin> hmm is there a bug number for the tasksel problem?
[22:21] <ianorlin> if we get it at least confirmed or triaged maybe put it on server team next meeting agenda if in a good state if it is not something we fix ourselves
[22:22] <wxl> i don't know of a bug number yet ianorlin
[22:22] <wxl> tsimonq2: did you ever get to that?
[22:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: QA? yeah
[22:22] <wxl> tsimonq2: a bug report for the tasksel issues?
[22:22] <ianorlin> I know how to do get log files I could do it if there is not one already and then maybe tsimonq2 can confirm
[22:23] <tsimonq2> k
[22:23] <ianorlin> as simple ubuntu-bug will not work
[22:48] <ianorlin> hmm what to file the bug against?
[22:48] <ianorlin> tasksel?
[22:48] <wxl> ianorlin: for the time being, that's what i would do
[22:49] <Kamilion> hm, i think 222 tabs open is getting a little excessive for me
[22:49] <Kamilion> but half my RAM is still free XD
[22:50] <Kamilion> tasksel issue? anything I can help with?
[22:52] <wxl> Kamilion: alternate installs end up with no lubuntu-desktop installed
[22:52] <Kamilion> wxl: at ISO build time or at install time?
[22:52] <wxl> Kamilion: what would be nice if someone could check if the server images are also having issues with taskel
[22:52] <wxl> Kamilion: install. images build fine
[22:53]  * wxl is considering trying to implement opendkim at work
[22:54] <Kamilion> I was really annoyed when I downloaded the lubuntu alt and then stared at apt-get install lubuntu-desktop asking for 400MB of downloads and 1.7GB of disk space being used
[22:54] <Kamilion> I was like "what the heck were all those bytes I downloaded for then?!"
[22:55] <wxl> heh
[22:55] <Kamilion> is it not including the lubuntu-desktop package on the ISO or something?
[22:55] <Kamilion> how can it still be so big?
[22:55] <wxl> yeah i don't know wactually
[22:56] <adueppen> it is apparently oversized like always, so that may be part of it
[22:57] <wxl> according to the .list files, both the wily alternate and the current xenial alternate includes the deb file for lubuntu-desktop
[22:57] <wxl> lubuntu-core is included as well
[22:58] <wxl> openbox and pcmanfm are there
[22:58] <wxl> lxtask, lxshortcut, lxterminal, lxrandr, lxlauncher, lxinput, lxappearance, etc
[22:59] <wxl> so everything should just work
[23:00] <wxl> looks like we got a hang on reboot still with desktop
[23:02] <wxl> adueppen: you might want to pick one of {Xubuntu|GNOME} won't reboot bugs to be a duplicate of the other and generalize the master to refer to all flavors. might be good to check against ubuntu, kubuntu, etc.
[23:02] <wxl> adueppen: you can use that for an improve bug report task on GCI
[23:03] <adueppen> wxl: could that count for the "Improve a Lubuntu bug report" task that I recently claimed?
[23:03] <wxl> adueppen: great minds think alike, again :)
[23:04] <adueppen> wxl: Just wanted to make sure
[23:04] <wxl> adueppen: no prob. let me know if you need any help with it.
[23:04] <adueppen> wxl: OK thanks
[23:04] <wxl> adueppen: thank YOU :)
[23:05] <adueppen> wxl: aww thanks :)
[23:05] <wxl> adueppen: it seems like you're destined to be a regular lubuntu contributor beyond GCI and there's nothing that delights me more
[23:06] <wxl> well, some things, but they're offtopic. XD
[23:07] <adueppen> wxl: I'm actually looking a bit more at Ubuntu GNOME since that's the distro I use but I'll probably continue with L/Xubuntu since it's easy to run in a VM on my crappy computer
[23:08] <wxl> adueppen: still, contributing to the project at large is wonderful and makes me very happy
[23:13] <Kamilion> Same.
[23:14] <wxl> honestly that's the best outcome with could hope to come out of GCI. teaching students about open source and how easy it is for them to be a regular part of it.
[23:14] <Kamilion> adueppen: also, ubuntu-gnome is my second-choice, so any improvements there are welcome as well. Anything that improves GTK+ will benefit lubuntu until lxqt appears
[23:24] <ianorlin> bug 1530397 is the bug I filed would welcome suggestion to get something that important


[00:34] <jkakar> Ah, the golden hour.  When very few people are using Launch and everything is nice and fast. :)
[03:24] <mwhudson> m
[03:24]  * mwhudson remembers something from yesterday
 Hobbsee: could you confirm whether https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/196913 is a problem for you or not anymore?
[03:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196913 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot lock LockDir(lp--1218658708:///~5-a-day/5-a-day-data/main/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[04:24] <Hobbsee> mwhudson: thanks
[04:26] <Hobbsee> cprov: please don't tell people to send packaging questions to -devel
[04:26] <Hobbsee> cprov: they don't go there.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> cprov: it appears that the mantainer munging is still happening.  can you fix it harder this time please?
[04:32] <comperr> stgraber, ping
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #199377 in launchpad "LiveJournal does not accept launchpad.net as an OpenID 2.0 providere" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199377
[08:20] <carlos> morning
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #199403 in launchpad "Login to OpenID 2.0 consumers using https://launchpad.net desirable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199403
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #199404 in launchpad "http://login.launchpad.net should not work when logging into an OpenID 2.0 consumer." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199404
[09:42] <mithro> Any chance I could get https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/25816 delt with? It's been almost a week
[10:03] <kiko> mithro, reason is I'm at a sprint, and I'll deal with all them next week
[10:04] <mithro> kiko: ahh okay
[10:04] <Hobbsee> cprov: ping?
[10:04] <cprov> Hobbsee: pong
[10:04] <mithro> btw, is there a way to "tag" bugs/blueprints with various keywords?
[10:05] <kiko> mithro, also, we can't "convert" projects into project groups
[10:05] <Hobbsee> cprov: did you see the stuff i said earlier, or did you drop out?
[10:05] <mithro> kiko: that is the reason I'm holding off adding anything to launchpad
[10:05] <kiko> mithro, cool -- you can just morph the project you have into one of the subprojects
[10:06] <kiko> mithro, let me add it now, I'm in a break
[10:06] <cprov> Hobbsee: I've just connected on IRC, let me check the logs
[10:06] <mithro> we want to start maintaining an good idea's list on launchpad
[10:06] <mithro> Sourceforge is just to slow and cumberson
[10:07] <kiko> mithro, cool.
[10:08] <Hobbsee> cprov: OK
[10:08] <kiko> mithro, https://edge.launchpad.net/thousand-parsec/
[10:08] <mithro> we really like the mentoring thing in launchpad
[10:08] <cprov> Hobbsee: well, tell me where to send them if they have packaging issues.
[10:08] <kiko> mithro, https://edge.launchpad.net/tpserver-py
[10:08] <kiko> mithro, https://edge.launchpad.net/tpclient-pywx
[10:08] <Hobbsee> cprov: #ubuntu-motu is for packaging.  That being said, third party packaging...
[10:09] <kiko> mithro, https://edge.launchpad.net/parsek
[10:09] <mithro> ugg
[10:09]  * mithro watches epiphany die
[10:10] <cprov> Hobbsee: about the "maintainer munging" do you have a concrete example or you are just speculating ?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> cprov: ScottK said he uploaded a package yesterday which still contained the mangling
[10:11] <Hobbsee> cprov: accusing people of screwing up while having no evidence at all isn't really smart, no?
[10:12] <cprov> Hobbsee: :)
[10:12] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive
[10:13] <TomaszD> carlos, could you check the template for https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/jockey ? something might be broken
[10:13] <mithro> kiko: so I should be able to add them to the Thousand Parsec group now?
[10:14] <cprov> Hobbsee: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12446599/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-lpia.kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu3~ppa2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz -> INFO: Disabling pkgbinarymangler for PPA build
[10:14] <Hobbsee> cprov: http://rafb.net/p/PIlyNF10.html
[10:14] <cprov> Hobbsee: indicates that in normal conditions, we are not mangling data
[10:15] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[10:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ping
[10:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: what is wrong with the stanza you pasted ?
[10:16] <Hobbsee> cprov: the maintainer field.  but i'm suspecting something else has happened...
[10:16] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you lose.  you can't complain about your own error there - your source has the maintainer as the ubuntu devs.
[10:17] <Hobbsee> cprov: my apologies.  ScottK screwed up his package.
[10:17]  * Hobbsee apparently didnt' check first, but thought he knew what he was doing with the maintainer file
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:17] <Hobbsee> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian KDE Extras Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:17] <Hobbsee> Uploaders: Fathi Boudra<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Mark Purcell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:17] <Hobbsee> ^  from source
[10:18] <mithro> kiko: thanks!
[10:18] <mithro> seems to work
[10:38] <carlos> TomaszD: I approved it recently, what's the problem with it?
[10:39] <TomaszD> carlos, not sure, because not a string appears translated, however I might be yelling a bit too early, will wait for another langpack update
[10:39] <carlos> TomaszD: ok
[11:26] <Rinchen> next mtg date change
[11:26] <Rinchen> grr network is crud here
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #199511 in launchpad "Upload Instructions on PPA pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199511
[17:35] <noypi> hi, just joined launchpad and just registered a project, can anyone tell me how to register a "distribution" so that it appears in the list "View distributions" thanks
[17:53] <noypi> hi, i would like to register a new distribution at launchpad, can anyone help me with this?
[18:05] <ubotu> New bug: #199554 in launchpad "UI for users to review OAuth request tokens" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199554
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #199555 in launchpad "Define a way for consumers to specify the access level they want when asking for a request token" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199555
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #199558 in launchpad "Allow users to generate OAuth access tokens manually" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199558
[18:16] <comperr> stgraber, ping!
[18:36] <stgraber> comperr: pong (busy)
[18:36] <comperr> stgraber, just letting you know v 0.9 is in ports
[18:36] <comperr> and stuff - commited and everythin
[18:37] <stgraber> comperr: rocks !!!
[18:38] <comperr> np
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #199581 in malone "sourceforge bug watches don't show resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199581
[19:54] <desertc> Greetings - I just created a new launchpad group for an Ubuntu LoCo team.  I thought it was odd that the URL did not contain a ~ tilde in the title.
[19:54] <desertc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-nh
[19:54] <desertc> Is this a new format?  I wanted to make sure I did not make a mistake.
[19:57] <matsubara> desertc: you just registered a project instead of a team
[19:57] <desertc> Drat
[19:57] <desertc> Thanks
[20:06] <cyberixae> Can I use Launchpad logo for linking to Launchpad?
[20:38] <tbf> only way to use launchpad's build services is PPA, right?
[20:39] <tbf> (well, despite being official package maintainer or MOTU clerk)
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #199594 in malone "Removing an attachment isn't recorded in +activity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199594
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #199596 in malone "Show similar tags if the one added hasn't been used yet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199596
[23:35] <sque> Hi
[23:35] <sque> I am trying to create a new project in launchpad
[23:35] <sque> and I want to import my code
[23:36] <sque> code is currently kept in a local svn server and I want to move to bazaar system and host it at launchpad
[23:36] <sque> As new in bazaar and launchpad, I am having some difficulties understanding the beast :P I read many guides for bazaar and the official manual and 5 minute tutorial
[23:37] <sque> But I can't do the simplest thing, add some code in the "trunk" of my project


  I need to eat lunch before I get back to what writing, so I have a little time.
[18:39] <henninge> rockstar: it's 134 lines
[18:40] <rockstar> henninge, okay, send it on over.
[18:40] <henninge> rockstar: thanks!
[18:45] <henninge> rockstar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/bug-467079/+merge/14264
[19:21] <henninge> rockstar: I'll be relocating home now but will be back here soon.
[19:22] <rockstar> henninge, I've already done the review.  :)
[19:22] <henninge> rockstar: oh, cool
[19:22] <henninge> rockstar: thank you very much and enjoy your weekend ;_)
[19:23] <henninge> ;-)
[19:23] <henninge> rockstar: see you in Dallas!
[19:23] <rockstar> henninge, ah, yes I will!


[18:41] <ninnnu_> Has there been questions about non-working middle-click/wheel in other help-channels? Finland has now gotten two questions during past few days...