[07:43] <zzarr> good morning
[08:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you know how far ltinkl was on the mocks for testLogin1Capabilities ?
[08:56] <tsdgeos> should i work on that?
[09:04] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/fixLogin1Tests/+merge/272493 seems pretty much almost done
[09:04]  * tsdgeos finds something else to do
[09:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, quite far, but there were issues with dbus processes staying on after the test completed
[09:12] <Saviq> and I never got around to looking into it
[09:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: is that reproducible with regular make foo or does it need the pkgtest to happen?
[09:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, dunno
[09:15] <tsdgeos> ok let me check then
[09:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, autopkgtest results in silo 30 don't look too good :/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/14476759/
[09:35] <tsdgeos> ouch
[09:35] <Saviq> although most of them are Launcher(214)
[09:36] <Saviq> so one fix should help a lot there
[09:36] <tsdgeos> what's will all those launcher failures
[09:36] <Saviq> but there are a few new ones
[09:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'm worried this might be timing when dragging the launcher out or so
[09:36] <tsdgeos> love this one
[09:36] <tsdgeos> Actual   ():<PHONE_NUMBER>192127
[09:36] <tsdgeos>    Expected ():<PHONE_NUMBER>8571433
[09:36] <Saviq> yeah
[09:36] <Saviq> that's xenial btw
[09:37] <tsdgeos> yaeh the launcher ones seem to be failing to drag it into view
[09:38] <Saviq> vivid looks much better http://paste.ubuntu.com/14476772/
[09:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mzanetti: we need to focus on getting those to 0, at this point we have so many things failing it gets hard to tell if a failure is a regression, fixed elsehwere or needs fixing
[09:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, totally, I do, however, run both of them on amd64 before releasing any silo
[09:39] <Saviq> so my runs yesterday for silo 30 were both 100%
[09:40] <mzanetti> agreed
[09:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I will try today to get at least a temp job running those in our jenkaas so we can maybe put it through its paces
[09:41] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so this are results not from you but from the builders?
[09:41] <Saviq> unfortunately that might not be enough
[09:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/776
[09:41] <Saviq> down at the bottom "Autopkgtest results"
[09:41] <Saviq> um wroing
[09:41] <Saviq> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/854
[09:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ↑
[09:43] <tsdgeos> oki
[09:44] <Saviq> so yeah, seems roughly reproducible between vivid and xenial, modulo launcher not getting pulled out
[09:57] <tsdgeos> i can't get extra processes when running ltinkl's branch with regular makeFoo
[09:57] <tsdgeos> i guess it's pbuilder only?
[10:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, could very well be
[10:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oh but, our current CI's autopkgtests run on hardware actually
[10:12] <Saviq> IIRC
[10:12] <Saviq> s/current/old/
[10:13] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what do you mean?
[10:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not in pbuilder/autopkgtest or anything
[10:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, or actually... in a dedicated VM
[10:14] <Saviq> like one with GPU and stuff
[10:14] <tsdgeos> you mean the extra process for the login1 tests?
[10:15] <tsdgeos> it didn't seem to be failing on the CI stage, not sure where fginther saw the extra process/failure
[10:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, he SSH'd to the machine when it failed
[10:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, lemme restart it in the mean time
[10:18] <Saviq> ah conflict
[10:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, re: SM_BUSNAME, I think the plan was to put the mock on the session bas originally... but then we found that there's no problem mocking a system bus...
[10:19] <tsdgeos> i see
[10:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, FWIW we already have it elsewhere
[10:21] <tsdgeos> it's just that it's the thing actually causing the conflcit D:
[10:21] <Saviq> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14476963/
[10:21] <tsdgeos> if it wasn't there it'd merge fine
[10:22] <Saviq> well, sure, I agree - since we can mock system bus, we shouldn't have that define at all
[11:44] <dandrader> mzanetti, is this related to what you're fixing? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1515977
[11:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: found race condition in one of the shell tests https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_test_focusAppFromLauncherExitsSpread/+merge/282292
[11:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑
[12:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, coolz
[12:00] <dandrader> tsdgeos, what's "bfb"?
[12:01] <tsdgeos> dandrader: it's the "home" button
[12:02] <tsdgeos> i didn't name it, just following the way
[12:02] <mzanetti> I named it...
[12:02] <dandrader> yeah
[12:02] <mzanetti> design calls it like that
[12:02] <dandrader> we should probably mock or disable that dismiss timer in tests....
[12:06] <tsdgeos> dandrader: putting the mouse over the button disables it
[12:08] <dandrader> tsdgeos, right
[12:12]  * tsdgeos goes to hunt more failing tests
[13:55] <mterry> kgunn_, how does deprecation work in a Touch lifecycle context?  Like with LTS releases, we don't support skipping an LTS upgrade, so we know we can drop deprecated stuff after each LTS release.  But do we have a similar story for Touch?  (not in terms of apps, which have frameworks, but in terms of things like u8's internal properties)
[14:08] <Saviq> mterry, wdym "u8's internal properties"?
[14:08] <kgunn_> mterry: interesting question, when you say "deprecation for life cycle" don't  you still mean for apps to understand/accomodate ?
[14:09] <mterry> Saviq, uh like if we changed where a gsettings is stored, but we still need to support upgrades from old devices, so we can't yet drop the old location.  My question is "when can we?"
[14:09] <mterry> kgunn_, no I mean in customer/device support lifecycle
[14:10] <Saviq> so upgrades from how far back do we support, really?
[14:10] <mterry> Saviq, yeah
[14:10] <Saviq> ok, no idea ;)
[14:10] <mterry> Saviq, like 10 OTAs?  Forever?
[14:11] <mterry> Saviq, makes me much more cautious about adding settings like that now  :)
[14:34] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do we worry about
[14:34] <tsdgeos> FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::Card::test_art_size(Tall) property height
[14:34] <tsdgeos>    Actual   ():<PHONE_NUMBER>192127
[14:34] <tsdgeos>    Expected ():<PHONE_NUMBER>8571433
[14:34] <tsdgeos>    Loc: [/tmp/adt-run.Q55ONm/build.yU8/unity8-8.11+15.04.20160111.1/tests/qmltests/Dash/tst_Card.qml(341)]
[14:34] <tsdgeos> ?
[14:34] <tsdgeos> want me to change it so that it compares say the first 3 decimals?
[14:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well... it failed, didn't it...
[14:35] <tsdgeos> yeah, it's also i386
[14:35] <tsdgeos> which shall be killed with fire
[14:36] <tsdgeos> but ok, will make it check say up to two decimals, should me more than enough
[14:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we need to make it pass *somehow*, shouldn't tryCompare or something be smart about it?
[14:36] <tsdgeos> well you told it to compare two doubles, it doesn't know how much exact you want them to be
[14:37] <tsdgeos> it has "some" wiggle room
[14:37] <tsdgeos> but probably for this different it thinks it's too different
[14:37] <ltinkl> isn't there some sort of qFuzzyCompare in QML? :o
[14:39] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, yup, tryCompare uses fuzzy comparisons for numbers
[14:39] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: yes, but fuzzy compare for those 2 numbers probably fails
[14:40] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, see function qtest_compareInternal(act, exp)
[14:40] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, basically it goes like: if (Math.abs(act - exp) <= 0.00001)
[14:41] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, yours differ already at the 4th decimal :p
[14:45] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, using number.toFixed(3) should help it, if you're happy with the precision
[14:47] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: i'd be happy with 1px precision :D
[16:39] <Saviq> dandrader, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtmir/appRestart-lp1527737/+merge/281701/comments/716315
[16:41] <dandrader> Saviq, always reproducible?
[16:42] <Saviq> dandrader, not sure yet, but reproducible enough it seems
[16:42] <Saviq> dandrader, might be related to the app failing
[16:44] <Saviq> or crashing
[16:50] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, it looks app crashing is causing AppMan to go into bad state
[17:15] <Saviq> dandrader, so yeah, camera + content-hub is easiest to reproduce with today, as the camera app crashes and sends AppMan into the broken state
[17:15] <dandrader> Saviq, ok...
[17:16] <Saviq> dandrader, I've removed qtmir from silo 30 to get it landed without that change
[19:17] <dandrader> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtmir/appRestart-lp1527737/+merge/281701/comments/716386
[19:17] <dandrader> Saviq, it's a iffy use case


[05:13]  * nuvolari does the split
[05:39] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:45] <nuvolari> o/ hello
[05:45] <nuvolari> I have a Question, general question and off-topic to ubuntu
[05:45] <nuvolari> which is:
[05:46] <nuvolari> why does the warm water tap blow air when there is water cuts in an area, and where did the water go?
[05:53] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> guten morgen meine guten freunde
[06:12] <Kilos> guten morgen mein herr
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> very limited german i'm afraid :-/
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> wollt ihr das bett in flammen sehen?
[06:18] <Kilos> mine is even less
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> i learnt german by listening to too much rammstein :-D
[06:18] <Kilos> my mom was german
[06:18] <Kilos> sigh
[06:19] <Kilos> german french cross
[06:19] <Kilos> her dad was pure german
[06:26] <magespawn> good morning
[06:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:33] <inetpro> good morning
[06:33] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:33] <bduk> nuvolari: i think the water boil inside your geyser as no cold water is comming in. I would turn the geyser of when no water is comming in as it will damage youre geyser's element when it is boiling.
[06:34] <Kilos> hi nextime welcome to #ubuntu-za
[06:34] <Kilos> hi bduk
[06:37] <bduk> nuvolari: I think it is steam comming out of the hot water tap. Youre geyser is boiling the water as no cold water is comming in. I would switch of the geyser if there is no water comming in as it will burn out the element.
[06:38] <bduk> Sorry for replying i couldn't see the first message i posted.
[07:14] <Private_User> morning all
[07:14] <Kilos> gmorning
[07:16] <Golynx> Morning 60 eyes
[07:16] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[07:17] <Private_User> bduk, nuvolari, I have noticed that also happens with cold water taps in some cases. You open water drips then its like suddenly the turbo kicks in with backfiring and boom water is flowing with strong pressure
[07:20] <Private_User> hmm...
[07:23] <Private_User> *is wondering what this has to do with ubuntu*
[07:23] <Private_User> probably the fact that ubuntu is a quality that includes the essential human virtues; compassion and humanity. and we currently not getting that when our water is cut off :(
[07:24] <bduk> Mabe the cold water pipes got some air inside that must come out first if you open it? If they worked on the pipes?
[07:25] <Private_User> wonder if the municipality will be interested in using ubuntu to provide better service delivery? I am sure there win machines are always crashing hence the reason for delayed and poor service delivery
[07:25] <Private_User> LOL
[07:26] <Kilos> their
[07:26] <Private_User> LOL
[07:27] <Kilos> i missed what nuvolari said originally what was the prob
[07:27] <Private_User> jammer oom Kilos
[07:27] <Private_User> *their
[07:27] <Kilos> ai!
[07:27] <Kilos> hehe
[07:27] <Kilos> hi superfly
[07:27] <bduk> Private_User: I also don't like windowzzz but i don't think that you can blame the poor services on that.
[07:27] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:30] <nuvolari> ok thanks bduk
[07:30] <nuvolari> I've went home and switched off the geyser and turned off the water at the connection
[07:31] <Kilos> most modern geysers are pressure type nuvolari so no water in no water out
[07:31] <Private_User> I don't really have an issue with Windows except for the cost factor and licensing issue, currently I still use it but slowly phasing it out. I am going fully free and open source
[07:31] <Kilos> yay
[07:32] <Private_User> although I still have my desktop in pieces
[07:32] <Private_User> literally
[07:32] <bduk> i agree Private_User also have one pc at home with win on it but only cause my flight simulater is not working with linux.
[07:32] <Kilos> lol mine never has the one side cover on. too many drive changes
[07:33] <Kilos> windows is good for games
[07:33] <bduk> You must just remember to switch it on tonight otherwise youre gonna have a cold bath nuvolari
[07:33] <Private_User> doesn't linux have an app to enable you to run windows applications which I assumed included games?
[07:34] <Kilos> wine its called but i dont have any success with it
[07:34] <Kilos> works by the fly though
[07:34] <Kilos> but so does everything else
[07:36] <bduk> Me and wine also don't understand eachother thats why i must keep the win
[07:36] <Golynx> Why did they make PlayOnLinux , but it still uses wine
[07:36] <Kilos> lol
[07:36] <Kilos> i think playonlinux you gotta download the games on it
[07:38] <Golynx> hmm just seem like a fancy gui installer
[07:38] <nuvolari> bduk: already had a cold shower this morning :-/
[07:39] <Kilos> eish
[07:39] <bduk> Fortunately it is still summer
[07:41] <Golynx> only in the highfeld, my toes are aching from the cold down under
[08:06] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[08:28] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[08:28] <magespawn> some people just like switching off the plugs with no warning
[08:28] <Kilos> lol
[08:37] <Kilos> ohi georgl
[08:37] <georgl> hi
[08:37] <Kilos> nextime hello
[08:38] <georgl> have been in your neck of the woods this past week
[08:38] <Kilos> aha
[08:38] <georgl> on my way back to ct
[08:38] <Kilos> whew long way that
[08:39] <georgl> been at sales conference in magaliesburg
[08:39] <Kilos> aha
[08:39] <georgl> sitting at lanseria
[08:39] <Kilos> oh you flying
[08:39] <Kilos> thats easier
[08:39] <georgl> yup
[08:39] <Kilos> that trip by car makes sore bum
[08:39] <georgl> flew up on Wednesday morning
[08:40] <georgl> it makes sore ass
[08:40] <Kilos> lol
[08:40] <georgl> on plene too
[08:41] <Kilos> ai! how long does the flight take
[08:41] <georgl> about 2 hours
[08:41] <Kilos> thats better than 15 to 18
[08:41] <georgl> Yeah
[08:41] <Kilos> eat lots then you forget the rest
[08:41] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:42] <Vince-0> hi Kilos !
[09:34] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos
[09:34] <nuvolari> and Vince-0, georgl
[09:35] <Kilos> lol dag nuvolari
[09:51] <nuvolari> was it something I said :-/
[09:51] <nuvolari> *?
[09:52] <Kilos> what are you on about nuvolari ?
[09:55] <Kilos> do they sell the telkom usb modems at the post office as well?
[10:48] <magespawn> like a boomerang
[10:49] <Kilos> hehe
[10:50] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/cake.jpg
[10:50] <Symmetria> !
[10:51] <Kilos> haha its as big as you
[10:51] <Kilos> but prettier
[10:51] <Symmetria> the staff at it in 10 minutes!
[10:52] <ThatGraemeGuy_> o_O
[10:52] <Kilos> ate it?
[10:52] <Kilos> what happened ThatGraemeGuy_
[10:52] <Kilos> wb
[10:56] <inetpro> so Kilos who's gonna win the game in Bloem tonight, what's your prediction?
[10:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i queried something with afrihost and then i got hiccup'd
[10:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i did a downgrade that doesn't seem to have taken properly, think they did a port reset to see if that would fix it
[11:07] <inetpro> hiccup'd?
[11:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> connection drop
[11:17] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: ai! So now it's fixed or you connect in some other way?
[11:17]  * inetpro suddenly can't watch youtube videos after my upgrade this morning
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> not fixed yet, i edited my line from 4mbps to 2mbps on monday and its supposed to take effect in 48 hours. turns out there's some glitch on telkom's side so they'll let me know what happens
[11:18] <inetpro> audio is playing fine but the output is all pitch black
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> connections is fine otherwise
[11:18] <Kilos> hmm... inetpro what game?
[11:18] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: why downgrading?
[11:18] <inetpro> Kilos: any YouTube videos
[11:19] <Kilos> hey?
[11:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was on 2mbps previously, got bumped to 4, but don't really need 4, so i figured i'd drop down to 2 again and save a bit of cash
[11:19] <Symmetria> urgh how do you survive on 2mbit
[11:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a life outside of the internet
[11:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> barely use it at home
[11:20] <Kilos> oh my inetpro just caught up with the reading
[11:20] <Symmetria> who cares ;p so do I, but there are things you CANNOT do on 2mbit/second which make life *easier*
[11:20] <Kilos> inetpro kde?
[11:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> well apparently none of those things have any significance to me
[11:21] <Symmetria> heh I would struggle to go back to a 20mbit connection
[11:21] <Kilos> Symmetria have some cake and stop rubbing it in
[11:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah its almost as if different people have different needs. who knew?
[11:23] <inetpro> Kilos: Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS, KDE and Firefox
[11:23] <Kilos> lol
[11:23] <inetpro> see that adobe-flashplugin got upgraded
[11:24] <inetpro> and adobe-flash-properties-kde
[11:24] <Kilos> i dont do youtube so mine is fine
[11:24] <Kilos> upgraded las t night at midnight 93m
[11:34] <Kilos> looks like not thistime, so, maybe nextime
[11:38] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[11:38] <Kilos> inetpro you gotta do twitter and g+ for tuesdays meeting hey
[11:39] <inetpro> ok, flash seems to be fixed with aptitude reinstall adobe-flashplugin and a restart of firefox
[11:39] <Kilos> well done
[11:39] <Kilos> aptitude rocks
[11:39] <inetpro> no need to do anything on g+
[11:39] <Kilos> why?
[11:40] <Kilos> does it get feeds from somewhere
[11:40] <inetpro> it reminds people automagically
[11:40] <Kilos> aha
[11:40] <inetpro> on the mobile even
[11:40] <Kilos> sjoe die engelse is slim ne
[11:40] <inetpro> ai!
[11:40] <Kilos> hehe
[11:41] <Kilos> i dont want to corrupt my 64bit unity with more kde stuff
[11:42] <Kilos> im fighting modems again/still
[11:43] <Kilos> really need to find a way to totally remove vmclite off the e220
[12:07] <magespawn> like a boomerang again
[12:07] <Kilos> yeah
[13:32] <Kilos> boem boem inetpro
[13:32] <inetpro> ai!
[13:32] <inetpro> reen hier
[13:32] <inetpro> en baie donker
[13:33] <Kilos> lyk soos daar by jou huis nou op pad hierheen
[13:34] <Kilos> o reen innie dorp al?
[13:34] <Kilos> dorp/stad
[14:52] <Kilos> inetpro wat gaan jy doen
[14:52] <Kilos> klaar gereen hier so ver maar ek hood doem doem daar by julle
[14:53] <inetpro> geen stress oom, ons maak plan
[14:53] <Kilos> hehe
[14:55] <Kilos> ek bang jy val in die nat en dan chat jy minder
[15:09] <magespawn> bye all home time
[15:09] <Kilos> go safe magespawn
[15:09] <Kilos> oh my nextime gone too without reason
[15:23] <nuvolari> ek gaan nou huistoe
[15:24] <nuvolari> totsiens oom Kilos
[15:25] <Kilos> tata nuvolari
[15:47] <Vince-0> cya!
[16:32] <Kilos-> hi Kirill_Rus welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:33] <Kilos-> you been here before?
[16:55] <Kilos-> russian?
[16:55] <Kilos-> hmm...
[17:17] <Kilos-> hi nlsthzn
[17:19] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos-
[17:19] <nlsthzn> wastching some rugby
[17:19] <Kilos-> yeah
[17:19] <Kilos-> go cheetahs
[17:19] <Kilos-> lol
[17:20] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[17:20] <magespawn> good evening
[17:20] <magespawn> Symmetria, ping
[17:21] <nlsthzn> >.<
[17:43] <magespawn> hah just logged into a cisco 837 via minicom
[17:43] <magespawn> bit lost now though
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:44] <Kilos> that cisco thing is a server magespawn ?
[17:45] <magespawn> no adsl router
[17:45] <Kilos> i thought minicom was for mobile devices
[17:45] <Kilos> ah
[17:45] <Kilos> what do you want it to do?
[17:46] <magespawn> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/routers/837-adsl-broadband-router/index.html
[17:46] <magespawn> i want to learn how to configure it
[17:47] <Kilos> cant you get into it with your browser
[17:47] <Kilos> my router i configure with the browser
[17:48] <Kilos> get the manual for it they explain nicely
[17:49] <magespawn> no cisco routers have there own os, and they use a console cable to connect to change settings
[17:49] <Kilos> https://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/access/800/837/hardware/installation/guide/837HIG.pdf
[17:49] <Kilos> oh my
[17:50] <Kilos> whats a console cable
[17:50] <magespawn> but they can do a lot more, and this one is one the one for home or small office
[17:50] <Kilos> so eth to all pcs in the area or wifi
[17:51] <Kilos> Symmetria help magespawn man
[17:51] <magespawn> one that connects to the console port on the router, looks similar to a lan cable but the wiring s different and connects to the serial port or through a usb to serial adaptor
[17:51] <Kilos> what with your pc?
[17:52] <Kilos> or just a keyboard and screen
[17:54] <magespawn> well I am using my laptop through the usb
[17:54] <Kilos> ah
[17:55] <Kilos> when in doubt read the instruction manual
[17:58] <magespawn> indeed apparently you can use a browser to configure the router
[17:58] <magespawn> brb
[17:59] <Kilos> inetpro did you get wet??
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: just sitting in darkness
[18:03] <Kilos> ai! no power?
[18:03] <Kilos> lightning?
[18:04] <inetpro> no power in the whole of Pretoria North
[18:04] <Kilos> wow
[18:06] <Tonberry> load shedding?
[18:06] <Tonberry> or other eskom failures?
[18:06] <Kilos> found a lekker tool today for unlocking usb modems using their imei number
[18:06] <Tonberry> are locked usb modems legal?
[18:07] <Kilos> we had heavy thunderstorms Tonberry
[18:07] <Tonberry> ah
[18:11] <Kilos> i spose locked branded modems must still be legal
[18:11] <Kilos> maybe for contracts
[18:15] <magespawn> okay so no web access to the cisco yet
[18:16] <Kilos> in the manuals they normally give the address to use magespawn
[18:16] <magespawn> i have it, just not connecting
[18:16] <Kilos> ai!
[18:16] <Kilos> what error report
[18:16] <magespawn> i am connected via console
[18:17] <magespawn> Can't establish a connection to the server at <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:17] <Kilos> maybe it dont work from console and browser same time
[18:20] <magespawn> maybe
[18:20] <magespawn> looks like there might be a problem getting an ip address though
[18:24] <magespawn> yup is not assigning ip via DHCP
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:38] <superfly> magespawn: you can also try cutecom
[18:38] <superfly> it's a Qt based serial terminal
[18:39] <magespawn> ty superfly will give it a go
[18:39] <superfly> magespawn: or, you can try my "ColourTerm" which is very basic, but we use it at work
[18:48] <magespawn> where would i find that superfly ?
[18:49] <superfly> http://launchpad.net/colourterm
[18:56] <Kilos> sorry nlsthzn
[18:56] <nlsthzn> no problem uncle Kilos... cheetahs better team on the night at home
[18:56] <nlsthzn> but we couldn't kick so save ourselves :p
[18:56] <nlsthzn> *to
[18:57] <Kilos> nope they crying outs morne
[18:57] <Kilos> outa
[19:04] <nlsthzn> he was/is a good flyhalf
[19:13] <magespawn> okay managed to interrupt the boot and reset the router to factory defaults
[19:17] <Kilos> good luck magespawn
[19:17] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:43] <magespawn> good night all
[19:43] <magespawn> \exit


[13:14] <thewrath> *g/m all
[15:12] <nhandler> Good morning everyone
[15:23] <Jeff_Martin> morning
[15:23] <nhandler> Hi Jeff_Martin
[15:24] <Jeff_Martin> ready for another big news day ;)
[15:25] <myrtlebeachbums> Good morning guys
[15:25] <myrtlebeachbums> ITP's been up since yesterday, but I haven't looked to see if anyone added any links or not.
[15:25] <Jeff_Martin> morning myrtlebeachbums
[15:26] <nhandler> So we are including the Team Report for May in this issue, correct?
[15:26] <myrtlebeachbums> Paging tyche - nhandler has a question I can't answer.
[15:27] <tyche> Morning, guys.  I've got a problem.  I'm unable to read the screen well enough to do anything.  I'm trying to get my eyesight to improve, but haven't had much luck yet.
[15:27] <myrtlebeachbums> Yikes.
[16:48] <nhandler> Team Reports are up
[16:49] <myrtlebeachbums> Thanks nhandler
[21:01] <myrtlebeachbums> Anyone know what the acronym "UCD" is short for?
[21:03] <nhandler> myrtlebeachbums: In what context? It could be Ubuntu Contributing Developer
[21:04] <myrtlebeachbums> I think that's it in this case. It's referring to a person.
[21:05] <nhandler> Where?
[21:05] <nhandler> Yeah, in the MOTU section it is Ubuntu Contributing Developer
[21:05] <myrtlebeachbums> Meeting Summaries -> MOTU Council.
[21:05] <myrtlebeachbums> Thanks.
[21:06] <nhandler> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#ContribDev
[21:06] <myrtlebeachbums> FYI folks - here's where we're at with UWN 144: tyche's having vision problems, and johnc4510 is MIA. No one's heard from him.
[21:06] <myrtlebeachbums> I'm grabbing the ball and running with it, but it's obviously getting published later than normal this week. I'm trying to get everything wrapped up ASAP.
[21:14] <nhandler> myrtlebeachbums: Need any last minute help?
[21:20] <myrtlebeachbums> Eyes! Please proof read it. This is my first time doing many of these parts, so any help is much appreciated.
[21:20] <nhandler> Any part in particular myrtlebeachbums ? I'm trying to do several things at once right now
[21:21] <myrtlebeachbums> ...and it bothers me that I've got nothing for General Community News. I'm not sure where tyche and johnc4510 usually get those.
[21:21] <myrtlebeachbums> Hmmm... In The Press. That's my usual section, and probably the one I most need a second opinion on.
[21:21] <tyche> I don't know where johnc4510 gets them from, either.
[21:22] <myrtlebeachbums> That section might be a casualty in UWN 144.
[21:23] <tyche> Executive decision:  Pull it.  We can't put up what we don't have.  I'll take the heat.
[21:23] <myrtlebeachbums> NP tyche.
[21:23] <myrtlebeachbums> I appreciate the help you're giving and know it's a real challenge for you.
[21:33] <tyche> myrtlebeachbums: This will give you a bit of a sample of what it's like for me.  I did this off a few days ago, to try to give an eye doctor an idea of what I see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22090195@N03/3582980322/
[21:33] <tyche> My wife's going to make an appointment for me tomorrow.
[21:34] <myrtlebeachbums> Wow. Sorry to hear it tyche. Hope you're better soon.
[21:34] <tyche> It's actually worse today than what you see there.
[21:40] <myrtlebeachbums> Okay folks, I've removed the work in progress banner. As far as I'm concerned it's ready for publishing as soon as Nick can help me.
[21:41] <myrtlebeachbums> It's not our largest issue, but I did my best with what i had.
[21:41] <myrtlebeachbums> If anyone finds any additional typos, please go ahead and fix them.
[23:03] <Jeff_Martin> myrtlebeachbums:  I caught a few more spellings, and as far as I know -- UWN is ready to publish.
[23:04] <myrtlebeachbums> Thanks Jeff!
[23:05] <Jeff_Martin> no problem, :)


 (Photo, 1280x722) https://i.imgur.com/CoUcQYx.jpg
 My plasma 5.20 builds seem to go ok :)
 If you find some packages that FTBFS, let me know, I will file bugs also for them :)
 Will do.


[13:48] <harsh> hi
[13:49] <harsh> i m new to ubuntu i want to know how to start this thing?
[13:52] <smartboyhw> harsh, what thing?
[13:53] <harsh> that how to start learning ubuntu
[13:53] <smartboyhw> harsh, oh....
[13:54] <harsh> please
[13:54] <smartboyhw> harsh, wait
[13:54] <smartboyhw> harsh, you can look at all the logs in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/precise
[13:54] <harsh> thanks!
[13:59] <harsh> is there any pdf documentaion/book etc?
[14:00] <smartboyhw> harsh, let me find it for you
[14:01] <smartboyhw> harsh, here
[14:01] <smartboyhw> http://ubuntu-manual.org/downloads
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Select your language, "Getting started with Ubuntu 12.10" , select either print or screen, then click the "Download now" button
[14:03] <harsh> i got this, Thank!
[14:15] <Ian__> hy all


[09:46] <smeg0l> God morgen
[14:01] <Feravolo> Good Day People
[20:33] <Takyoji> Just got a reasonable idea
[20:33] <Takyoji> Perhaps some people could create Lightscribe labels for LiveCDs
[20:34] <Takyoji> Because I may consider at some point of doing that for the LiveCDs I'll be burning eventually
[20:35] <Takyoji> It'd look quite professional (with the appropriate disc color) without having to spend a lot of money on print materials and ink
[21:50] <Tecna> greetings, friends!
[21:50] <Tecna> is anyone here right now?
[21:52] <Takyoji> Yes
[21:58] <Tecna> I just stumbled in after some random clicking.  I'm very dedicated to the mission to raise awareness of Linux.  Could you fill me in here?
[22:09] <Takyoji> Sorry for my delayed responses, I'm just a little distracted.
[22:09] <Takyoji> Have you used Linux yourself at all, or?
[22:14] <Takyoji> Otherwise I'm very sorry, but I may be leaving shortly. Hopefully someone else may help you further on the topic; additionally I may return later in the day
[22:19] <Tecna> I've used linux off and on for years, and now use it almost exclusively since early fall
[22:19] <Tecna> I don't even have windows installed right now
[22:19] <Takyoji> Ahh, Ubuntu mainly?
[22:19] <Tecna> nope
[22:20] <Tecna> haven't settle on a distro
[22:21] <Takyoji> As for a general Linux marketing, I don't quite have a solid source to direct you to for that field of marketing
[22:21] <Takyoji> Do you have any abilities you'd be willing to contribute to such efforts?
[22:21] <Takyoji> Graphic design, simply spreading the word, etc
[22:22] <Tecna> I use Ubuntu plenty and endorse it for anyone who my have trouble learning to do what ubuntu does for the user.
[22:22] <Tecna> I'm fairly good with graphic design and multimedia communications.
[22:25] <Takyoji> As a side note, see if you can become a commoner of this channel. And perhaps invite a few other people you know as well to join
[22:26] <Takyoji> Just need to get more active members, then I think the marketing team could start having things like regular meetings and so forth
[22:27] <Tecna> I was, in fact, President of my high school's Video Production Club, a member of the community access news team, and a DJ for the local cable radio station, so I have experience in marketing and media.
[22:27] <Takyoji> There just seems to occasionally be rather enthusiastic people that come in completely desiring to help promote it, but to come and realize that this channel is a bit slow/quiet
[22:28] <Takyoji> ahh, good
[22:28] <Takyoji> I'm generally paid to be a web developer/designer, additionally I'm a photographer (and could probably do cinematography at the side as well)
[22:29] <Takyoji> Today I had the idea of creating a spiffy Lightscribe label that I could use for burning LiveCDs so that I wouldn't have to waste money on printing materials
[22:31] <Takyoji> But yea, it would be very helpful if you're willing to become a commoner and contribute material, or simply start some discussions to make it a little more active here
[22:31] <Tecna> I fix computers and offer support in my free time.  I reccomend trying Ubuntu to everyone, and take the time to clear up misconceptions...
[22:32] <Tecna> the most common fear that I encounter is that they'll somehow damage their existing windows system and won't be able to change their minds...
[22:32] <Tecna> this is when I expalin the use of live CDs and wubi installations
[22:33] <Takyoji> ahh
[22:33] <Takyoji> So far I've done about.. 5 Linux installations
[22:34] <Takyoji> I might get about 3-4 more by installing Ubuntu on each laptop of a friend's family as well
[22:34] <Takyoji> The simply main question I always get is "Why doesn't everyone just use Ubuntu then?"
[22:35] <Takyoji> I may return in about 20 minutes; otherwise probably later tonight.
[22:35] <Takyoji> Hope to see you soon again, bye


[00:29] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[00:29] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue155
[02:15] <johnc4510> The RSS feed for the Planet seems to be broken again...it's not updating
[02:19] <nhandler> johnc4510: Remember, there is usually a delay for the RSS feeds. RainCT's post showed up in Google Reader for me. I'm still waiting on paultag's
[03:06] <johnc4510> nhandler: the cron job on the server doesn't seem to be updating...i posted the UWN about 3 hrs ago
[03:13] <tyche> johnc4510: let's face it.  I always knew you were somewhat out of it.  But to not even be on the planet?
[03:13] <tyche> Hee hee
[15:25] <nhandler> Just a heads up, I'm preparing the UDW Fridge post Daniel requested
[15:25] <tyche> OK


[07:18] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2007/teachers-gradebook
[07:18] <Burgundavia> umm
[07:18] <Burgundavia> schooltool?
[07:22] <LaserJock> schooltool and schoolbell are kinda broken currently :/
[09:56] <lulemurfan> I need help to To set up a network printer with is printer brother DCP-310CN
[09:58] <lulemurfan> can anyone help
[10:00] <lulemurfan> Don't worry I've sloved it
[10:43] <Geak> can you please tell me whats the difference betwean edubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:10] <Mariux5> Why does edubuntu use gnome?
[02:10] <Mariux5> almost all of the edu-apps are kde apps
[02:10] <Mariux5> and also, kde has the kiosk mode
[08:21] <LaserJock> Pete!!
[08:21] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[08:21] <LaserJock> cbx33: are you on for a few minutes?
[08:22] <cbx33> yeh
[08:58] <youssef> Hello
[08:59] <youssef> I would like to start a software to learn human languages, perhaps some could help me to choose a good framework
[09:03] <youssef> see you later
[11:17] <thak> does anyone know how to change the default window environment for the terminals from, say, xfce to enlightenment?
[12:02] <thak> does anyone know how to change the default window environment for the terminals from, say, xfce to enlightenment?


[04:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-16-04-LTS-to-Use-Systemd-s-Networkd-Instead-of-Ifupdown-480536.shtml
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: nihao :p
[04:46] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, greetings!@
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> how are you mate
[04:47] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, enjoying life.  you?
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> great here tnx
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:11] <daftykins> oh my Tux what a complete idiot
[17:11] <daftykins> O_O
[17:12] <daftykins> supply answer, "no i won't do it"
[17:12] <daftykins> wat?
[18:41] <ki7mt> man, that dude must have a comprehension issue :-)
[18:41] <daftykins> i'm really getting so frustrated
[18:42] <ki7mt> LOL .. been there too  :-)
[18:42] <daftykins> i've said exactly what's been needed first time every time and instead we get these hour long breaks of him/her going off on massive tangents
[18:49] <daftykins> EriC^^: ah there you are :P
[18:49] <daftykins> this guy is a nightmare
[18:50] <ki7mt> I ahve like 10 RPI2 boxes, he's be better off just re-imaging the thing and start over, and copy the small number of files in /home/$USER that he wants to restore.
[18:51] <daftykins> yeah i didn't realise it was just user data he was after
[18:51] <daftykins> due to the... breaks in communication
[18:51] <daftykins> the thing is, we can't get the damned parted output out of him
[18:51] <daftykins> so he's making this an absolute misery
[18:52] <ki7mt> Yeah, you asked for the partd data like 5 times  he wont pastebinit
[18:52] <daftykins> "oh noes mah super secret dataz"
[18:52] <EriC^^> :D
[18:52] <ki7mt> Porn :-)
[18:54] <daftykins> EriC^^: http://techblo.gg/stuff/blargh.PNG
[18:54] <daftykins> bearing in mind that was an hour ago :(
[18:55] <EriC^^> :D
[18:56] <daftykins> much facepalm
[18:57] <OerHeks> daftykins, our best friend is back
[18:57]  * daftykins looks
[19:05] <ki7mt> I don't understand how burning a Raspbian image to an SD card is a Ubuntu support issue
[19:06] <daftykins> it's not, but we're a charity after all ;)
[19:07] <ki7mt> lol .. indeed
[19:07] <daftykins> oh my Tux that was a bombshell
[19:07] <OerHeks> because there is always a fool who answers, i really understand some early helpers now.
[19:07] <EriC^^> i dont know anything about raspberry pi's
[19:07] <daftykins> hmm? :)
[19:08] <EriC^^> i dont get why he has to backup his hdd to fix the router issue then dd it back
[19:08] <daftykins> nah there's nothing about router from what i understand, though i've been ignoring him for a while now
[19:09] <daftykins> just wants to backup the SD card that raspberry pis run from
[19:09] <EriC^^> oh ok
[19:09] <ki7mt> The Raspbian image is a Debian compressed image file burned to a FAT32 SD card. I think there is a Ubuntu-MATE image for it now also.
[19:10] <ki7mt> All he really needs to do is SCP his $HOME directory, re-image the SD card, and copy it back.
[19:10] <daftykins> and now we know he won't due to laziness :(
[19:11] <daftykins> MTP still seems to be an ongoing joke in Linux land, eh?
[19:11] <daftykins> always someone coming in with an android device that can't mount it
[19:11] <ki7mt> Yes, that's the whoel thing in a nushell, he "didn't want to SSH" to the RPI box.
[19:26] <daftykins> why does lsfret seem to have half a clue now 0o
[19:26]  * daftykins blinks
[19:32] <OerHeks> Someone should make a startx script to avoid these issues ..
[19:32] <OerHeks> * as standard.
[19:32] <daftykins> haha
[19:33] <OerHeks> or make an ubottu factoid for it
[19:34] <daftykins> the ops have ignored every single edit and every single factoid creation i've suggested.
[19:34] <daftykins> i don't know who is in charge of it
[19:35] <OerHeks> i think we need to go to #ubot93 ?? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[19:37] <ki7mt> I'm not sure who is in charge of Factoids these days.
[19:42] <daftykins> i've wanted to replace !ati with !amd for months
[20:29] <ki7mt> I think your RPI image friend is back daftykins  :-)
[20:31] <daftykins> HOLD ME BACK, BOYS
[20:31] <daftykins> :D
[20:32] <OerHeks> "didn't you get a hamer with that rPI ?"
[20:42] <ki7mt> fgrew is the guy you were working with earlier daftykins :-)
[20:42] <ki7mt> but using a different name
[20:42] <daftykins> *nod*
[20:42] <daftykins> could tell due to the utterly terrible English
[20:43] <ki7mt> Yeah, and the Raspbian image name "image'+date'+.img gave it away
[20:44] <ki7mt> That'w why I backed off it real quick, was not going down that rat hole again.
[20:45] <daftykins> :D
[20:53] <daftykins> hrmm i am really not keen on this idea of snappy replacing all .deb packages
[20:53] <daftykins> granted it may be far away, but it doesn't sound wise
[20:55]  * ki7mt thinks It's gonna cause allot of folks to run from Ubuntu
[20:55] <daftykins> i agree
[20:56] <ki7mt> I like Snappy, for mobi apps, but I'm not so sure about desktop use. The again, I just started playing with it.


 ok, I have first version of stitchWP in https://launchpad.net/stitchwp it support fit and scale. Center and zoom are more complex because it involves image crop (and placement) which I've not been able to do, I need to research more with imagemagick
[17:42] <wxl> cool!!!! you should post on the mailing list about it
[17:42] <wxl> ask for people to contribute, etc
[17:42] <wxl> AND you should post it to the lxqt forum
 is there a style standard I should follow?
 I remember when a small modifications for the kernel there where some things like where to put the contact info, lines with no more than 80 characters, etc..
[18:00] <wxl> those are generally true across all projects


[21:36] <pleia2> sigh, no summaries again
[21:39]  * pleia2 gets to work
[23:36] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue382
[23:36] <pleia2> and sent off to editors
[23:41] <Unit193> pleia2: The cert on daniel.holba.ch has expired, so people visiting that will get a warning, otherwisei good.
[23:43] <pleia2> yeah, I should nudge him about that on monday
[23:43] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:50] <Unit193> Sure.


[17:33] <czajkowski> ebel: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/translator-credits.html
[17:37] <ebel> fancy
[17:38] <czajkowski> it's the way to say thanks publically for stuff in 12.04
[17:39] <ebel> ☺
[20:06] <tdr112> what time are we meeting tonight
[20:07] <victor9098> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/351/detail/
[20:07] <victor9098> 9pm I think
[20:09] <victor9098> Just a reminder to anyone who has not voted on the release party date through your hat in the ring here: http://goo.gl/9A1tO
[20:19] <czajkowski> victor9098: cool
[20:23] <victor9098> democracy in action ;)
[21:00] <infoturtle> any body else really excited about the meeting/???
[21:00] <victor9098> whoop whoop
[21:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:02] <ebel> hello
[21:02] <infoturtle> hello all
[21:03] <ebel> shall we start?
[21:03] <infoturtle> up to you, you're chair (I assume)
[21:03] <ebel> airurando contacted me earlier, he has to work late and won't be joining us
[21:04] <ebel> #startmeeting
[21:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 21 21:04:10 2012 UTC.  The chair is ebel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[21:04] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[21:04] <ebel> please say "PRESENT" if you're here and taking part in this meeting
[21:04] <ebel> #link the minutes for this meeting: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/351/detail/
[21:04] <ebel> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/351/detail/
[21:04] <ebel> #halp
[21:05] <victor9098> PRESENT
[21:05] <infoturtle> PRESENT
[21:05] <Barry_> PRESENT
[21:05] <czajkowski> PRESENT
[21:07] <ebel> *ahem*
[21:07] <ebel> PRESENT
[21:07] <infoturtle> ha ha
[21:07] <victor9098> performance issues
[21:07] <ebel> so the agenda is here http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/351/detail/
[21:07] <ebel> as always anyone can add anything at any time
[21:08] <ebel> #topic Review of previous action items.
[21:08] <czajkowski> nods
[21:08] <ebel> the agenda for that meeting was here http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/338/detail/
[21:08] <ebel> We had an ubuntu hour in science gallery in dublin
[21:09] <ebel> me, slashtommy and tdr112 turned up.
[21:09] <ebel> twas alright
[21:09] <infoturtle> sounds cool
[21:09] <czajkowski> cool
[21:09] <czajkowski> wish I had more o them over here
[21:09] <victor9098> @czajkowski be the change :D
[21:09] <meetingology> victor9098: Error: "czajkowski" is not a valid command.
[21:10] <ebel> previous logs http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ie/2012/ubuntu-ie.2012-02-15-21.00.html
[21:10] <ebel> ah i didn't look into CDs
[21:10] <victor9098> It has been confirmed they are staying at 700mb
[21:10] <ebel> #action ebel to look into CDs for loco for next release
[21:10] <meetingology> ACTION: ebel to look into CDs for loco for next release
[21:10]  * infoturtle is upset by this news
[21:10] <czajkowski> CDs haven't been announced yet
[21:10] <ebel> infoturtle: did you look at website?
[21:10] <czajkowski> should be coming shortly
[21:11] <infoturtle> yes I did
[21:11] <infoturtle> I'm making an offline site to just copy over
[21:11] <infoturtle> have the drupal 7 layout picked and working on the css and images
[21:11] <ebel> how's it going? need any help?
[21:12] <infoturtle> I'm good for now, may need some help actually putting it onto the server and DNS pointing and stuff
[21:12] <infoturtle> that I'm not great with
[21:12] <infoturtle> that's all I have to offer on it for the moment
[21:12] <ebel> sure, well just give me a shout anytime. others in this channel could help and be knowledgeable aswell.
[21:13] <infoturtle> cheers ebel
[21:13] <ebel> that was all the agree'd and action'ed last meeting
[21:13] <czajkowski> cool
[21:13] <ebel> #topic 12.04 LTS Release Party from victor9098 (right?)
[21:13] <victor9098> I have counted the votes and it was close, but April 28th took it with one vote (April 28th got 4 votes versus 3 for May 5th)
[21:14] <infoturtle> I've to get my timetable before I can vote
[21:14] <victor9098> Now we just need some location and event ideas
[21:14]  * ebel nods
[21:16] <victor9098> We have a four weeks to bring it all together
[21:16] <victor9098> But any suggestions are more then welcome
[21:16] <infoturtle> There was talks amoungst skynet of another release party but haven't heard of it in a while. Might ask again
[21:17] <infoturtle> for the Dublin I don't wana give input as I probally can't make it
[21:18] <victor9098> Of course you can infoturtle
[21:18] <slashtommy> is there any markets on that weekend, farmleigh, dun laoghaire?
[21:18] <victor9098> Good idea, I will look into it
[21:19] <slashtommy> advantage: choose what food you want or bring your own (makes it student friendly)
[21:19] <czajkowski> there is a market up in templebar also
[21:19] <czajkowski> or was
[21:20] <slashtommy> there is, but nowhere to picnic
[21:20] <victor9098> I will go fishing for anything with free food and hopefully wifi (though a few of us should have 3g dongles)
[21:21] <czajkowski> peoples park behind dublin city countil ?
[21:21] <czajkowski> just a thought
[21:21] <slashtommy> by christchurch?
[21:22] <victor9098> jotting it down, a indoor backup just in case weather is not great
[21:22] <czajkowski> slashtommy: aye
[21:23] <czajkowski> victor9098: swing round the corner and go to bull and castle?
[21:23] <slashtommy> Market Bar if wet?
[21:23] <czajkowski> again just firing out ideas
[21:23] <slashtommy> big tables, not too noisy etc
[21:23] <victor9098> Always pile into starbucks :D
[21:23] <slashtommy> oh, check the sport!
[21:23] <czajkowski> LOL
[21:24] <slashtommy> if the fall back option is a pub, beware the sports
[21:24] <victor9098> good point
[21:24] <victor9098> Does anyone want to meet on release day, maybe a Ubuntu hour ?
[21:25] <slashtommy> when is release day?
[21:25] <victor9098> April 26th
[21:25] <victor9098> (hopefully)
[21:25] <czajkowski> it will
[21:25] <slashtommy> a Thursday!
[21:25] <czajkowski> :)
[21:25] <czajkowski> always a thursday except 10.10.10 :)
[21:25] <czajkowski> folks sprint that week
[21:26] <czajkowski> and you get the weekend to recover
[21:26] <czajkowski> and then start the next release
[21:26] <slashtommy> sure, could meet for a beer somewhere
[21:26] <slashtommy> please choose somewhere with good beer
[21:27] <victor9098> ok, well will remind people closer to the time and see who can make it
[21:27] <victor9098> When will the next IRC be?
[21:27] <slashtommy> meh, just tell people
[21:27] <slashtommy> if it's 3 of us, that's fine
[21:28] <ebel> next irc will be in about a month
[21:28] <victor9098> Any excuse :D
[21:28] <ebel> almost certainly before next release
[21:28] <victor9098> cool
[21:28] <victor9098> I will have a look into events in/around Dublin and see if anything fits
[21:28] <slashtommy> good beer can be found at bull & castle, against the grain, messers maguires, black sheep, wj kavanagh and l mulligans
[21:29] <slashtommy> oh, and porter house
[21:29] <slashtommy> thats about it, one or two others like farringtons in templebar
[21:31] <victor9098> next topic?
[21:32] <ebel> #topic AOB?
[21:32] <ebel> #agreed victor9098 to look into venues for release party
[21:32]  * ebel 's internet is being very dodgy now
[21:32] <infoturtle> don't think you're chair anymore ebel
[21:32] <infoturtle> that agreed did nothing
[21:33] <ebel> there's no other topic, so unless anyone has any other business (AOB) that's the end of the meeting
[21:34] <infoturtle> airurando!
[21:34] <victor9098> Thanks ebel
[21:34] <ebel> #endmeeting
[21:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 21:34:26 2012 UTC.
[21:34] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ie/2012/ubuntu-ie.2012-03-21-21.04.moin.txt
[21:34] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ie/2012/ubuntu-ie.2012-03-21-21.04.html
[21:34] <czajkowski> oh fyi
[21:34] <czajkowski> 2 conferences coming up
[21:34] <airurando> hope it went well guys :)
[21:34] <czajkowski> one in Limerick in October
[21:34] <czajkowski> skycon
[21:34] <czajkowski> 20th anniversary of skynet
[21:35] <czajkowski> and oggcamp - UK event
[21:35] <czajkowski> happening during the summer
[21:35] <victor9098> Oggcamp getting rebranded?
[21:36] <czajkowski> have to wait and see
[21:37]  * airurando reads logs


[00:34] <bluesabre> Probably so.
[01:15] <ali1234> can anyone repro this on 22.04? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/1741
[01:15] <ali1234> this affects xfce4-panel, if you have nested weston running
[01:23] <ali1234> it just crashes with a segfault of course, because of wnck
[01:43] <ali1234> if this is still happening we could use gdk set_allowed_backends to prevent wayland from being tried
[03:18] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 22.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[03:21] <Unit193> Hah, nooo it wasn't!
[03:43] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 22.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[04:42] <Unit193> So, Ubuntu seems to have changed a few things...But that boots.


[12:01] <Th13teen> Is it cool if an english-only speaker hangs out here? If it helps I study at Aberystwyth Uni :P
[12:16] <brobostigon> of course, welcome, :)
[12:24] <Th13teen> :D
[12:42] <brobostigon> :)


[00:00] <czajkowski> aquarius: daft Q when you purchase U1 music and download it to the music application you use, how can change that to store it locally ?
[00:00] <aquarius> not sure I understand the question
[00:01] <aquarius> it *is* stored locally
[00:01] <ali1234> surely that depends which music app you use?
[00:01] <czajkowski> as in my music folder I'd assumed to find my music, yet it;s not there I've to go to banshee to play the stuff I've bought
[00:01] <aquarius> it's just stored in a different folder
[00:01] <aquarius> look in .ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One
[00:01] <czajkowski> where?
[00:01] <czajkowski> I don't see that on machine
[00:02] <czajkowski> hmm maybe I'm looking in the wrong place
[00:02] <czajkowski> ahhh
[00:02] <czajkowski> there
[00:02] <aquarius> in your home folder. You may need to turn on "show hidden files", because it's called .ubuntuone
[00:03] <czajkowski> aye found via command line
[00:03] <czajkowski> why the hell is it hidden
[00:03] <czajkowski> :/
[00:03] <aquarius> because the best way to play your music is through the music app, not by poking around in the file manager.
[00:04] <czajkowski> not when I want to drag them onto my phone :)
[00:04]  * AlanBell liberated stuff from there and put in music
[00:04] <aquarius> drag them from Rhythmbox or Banshee to the file manager window showing your phone.
[00:05] <aquarius> you do not need to dig around in the file manager to find the mp3 files. Trust me on this. :)
[00:05] <czajkowski> and the bug I reported as well meant I was losing track of what music I had downloaded so was trying to keep an eye on what should and shouldnt be there
[00:05] <aquarius> speaking purely for myself, I just put all my music in u1 and then use the music streaming app.
[00:05] <aquarius> but that's me :)
[00:05] <czajkowski> i've not had great sucess with the streaming app
[00:05] <czajkowski> but that was on the hero
[00:06] <czajkowski> I may try it again on this phone
[00:06] <aquarius> should still work, although the hero's a bit old these days. (It was good; that's why I had one too. But it might struggle a bit with more modern apps.)
[00:06] <aquarius> be worth trying again, I suggest
[00:06] <czajkowski> yup
[00:06] <aquarius> AlanBell, you can do that, indeed. You run a small risk of the music store losing track of whether you've bought a song and so downloading it again, though
[00:07] <czajkowski> and if they fix my bug I reported I cna go back to downloading the rest of my purhcased music and stop bothering you :)
[00:08] <AlanBell> aquarius: I bought one CD which I can't remember what it is, and that twisted sister song
[00:08] <aquarius> :)
[00:08] <aquarius> then not too big a worry. :)
[00:13] <czajkowski> that;s what happened me I copied on one machine locally and deleted them by accident now I need to download them all again
[00:13] <czajkowski> very timely
[00:25] <aquarius> *pants*
[00:25] <aquarius> the two laptops have incompatible drives
[00:25] <aquarius> different connectors.
[00:26] <aquarius> grargh. :(
[00:26] <aquarius> the broken one is sata
[00:26] <aquarius> my replacement is ide
[00:26] <aquarius> :(
[00:26]  * aquarius sobs
[00:26] <hamitron> :/
[00:27] <aquarius> somewhere around I have a disc caddy which has a 64GB SSD in it, which I'd donate to the cause if I could FIND IT
[00:27]  * aquarius headbutts everything
[00:27] <aquarius> anyone seen it?
[00:28] <hamitron> I've seen a 64Gb SSD before
[00:28] <hamitron> not sure it is the same one ;/
[00:28] <aquarius> can't think where I'd have put it
[00:28] <aquarius> well, that's not true; I can think of where I'd have put it, which is in my leads box, and it isn't there. Can't think of where *else* I'd have put it :(
[00:29] <hamitron> spare hdd box?
[00:29] <aquarius> who do I look like, Evelyn de Rothschildt? I don't have that many spare drives :)
[00:29] <aquarius> there's the one in my old laptop, but I'm not sure I wanna give that up.
[00:30] <hamitron> must admit, I don't have enough laptop hdd for a dedicated box either
[00:31] <hamitron> just 2
[00:31] <hamitron> :/
[00:31] <czajkowski> spare one here in london aquarius but a bit far to travel at night
[00:32] <aquarius> I can even tell you what colour the caddy is! where is it??  Didn't work.
[00:34] <czajkowski> aquarius: knowing you, it's with your power adaptors and passport :)
[00:34]  * aquarius chuckles.
[00:34] <aquarius> In the search, I found 4 (four) power adaptors.
[00:34] <aquarius> I know where the passport is :)
[00:34] <czajkowski> 4
[00:34] <czajkowski> good lord man
[00:34] <aquarius> yeah, that goes along with the two already in my laptop bag ;)
[00:34] <czajkowski> are they all USA or at least half EU
[00:34] <czajkowski> special aq
[00:35] <aquarius> three EU, two US/AU, one boxy thing that works everywhere
[00:35] <czajkowski> and no hdd
[00:35] <aquarius> this is what happens when you buy a new adaptor on every trip for two years
[00:35] <aquarius> no hdd. grrrrrrrr
[00:36] <aquarius> ok, so it's give back a non-working computer, or give up my really fast spare SSD which I don't want to do, or find the old SSD which I don't mind giving up but can't find.
[00:36] <aquarius> my life is rubbish.
[00:36] <czajkowski> aquarius: or wait till the mornign and do a maplan run and get one and yer sorted
[00:37] <aquarius> yeah, but then I'm blowing out half my day with my daughter in order to ponce about with someone else's laptop, which I don't really wanna do :(
[00:38] <aquarius> found a PCMCIA 10baseT wireless card, if anyone wants one
[00:39] <czajkowski> Im sure niamh would understand given who it's for. You could show her how to put it in without breaking it :)
[00:40] <pauljwells> Anybody help me booting 3.0 kernel on powerpc G5?
[00:43] <czajkowski> aquarius: is it in a box in the spare room in the cubbord on the top shelf ?
[00:43] <aquarius> nope
[00:44] <aquarius> /!\ No results found for "where is my spare ssd".
[00:44] <aquarius> even google is no help
[00:44] <aquarius> "All the world's information". Yeah, right
[00:44] <czajkowski> Google isn't helping me sleep either
[00:45] <hamitron> pauljwells, linuxfromscratch docs may help
[00:45] <czajkowski> aquarius: are you really sure you have a spare ssd and didnt' pawn it off to someone else ?
[00:45] <aquarius> well.
[00:45] <aquarius> the thought has occurred to me that it was on the Big List Of Stuff I Gave To Adam.
[00:45] <aquarius> I don't *think* it was.
[00:45] <czajkowski> aquarius: ring him
[00:46] <aquarius> it's quarter to one in the morning!
[00:47] <czajkowski> aquarius: you;re up, I'm up and others are, he;s a geek he's boud to be
[00:50] <aquarius> ha! not sgned into chat. So, not awake. :)
[00:51] <czajkowski> great logic there aquarius
[00:51] <czajkowski> I'm totally amazed you dont know where your ssd is
[00:52]  * hamitron is too tight to buy one to use, nevermind lose one
[00:52] <czajkowski> hamitron: meet aquarius he loses lots of things and then finds them at the wrong time
[00:52] <hamitron> hehe :)
[00:52] <czajkowski> gah I can hear bf sleeping wtf cant I sleep
[00:53] <hamitron> doesn't help, typing on IRC tbh
[00:53] <hamitron> ;)
[00:53] <hamitron> although , we ofc love you to be here ;D
[00:53] <czajkowski> hes in bed I'm in the tv room
[00:53] <czajkowski> hamitron: thanks!
[00:54] <hamitron> I wonder why geeks stay up late?
[00:54] <hamitron> :/
[00:57] <czajkowski> I'm crap at sleeping
[00:57] <hamitron> I'm fairly good at it tbh, just not at the right times :/
[00:57]  * czajkowski imagines aquarius from the lack of noise running around the house pulling bags and boxes out looking for his ssd
[00:58] <aquarius> dead on right.
[00:58] <hamitron> hehe
[00:58] <czajkowski> whats wore is I can almost hear the swearing from here
[00:58] <czajkowski> and scratching his head and looking for a cig
[00:58] <czajkowski> *worse
[01:00] <aquarius> ok, now officially annoyed.
[01:01] <aquarius> I may have to just flounce off to bed in a huff, I think. Grr. Perhaps it'll turn up tomorrow.
[01:01] <aquarius> ttfn, all.
[01:01] <hamitron> o/
[01:02] <czajkowski> aquarius: toodles
[01:02] <czajkowski> bet it comes to him in the middle of the night
[01:03] <czajkowski> and then remembers where it is
[01:27] <directhex> maybe he left it in a dodgy birmingham bar as he left in disgust, for the crime of playing "mr brightside" at him
[02:44] <Azelphur> can you not buy ksplice any more?
[07:22] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:42] <shauno> morning
[07:48] <shauno> after a week in the UK, I can confirm real ales are alive and kicking in the north east, and geordies might actually be in the running for the friendliest people on earth.  fun week
[08:02] <DJones> Morning all
[08:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all - nice roundup of whats new in kernel 3.2 -: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/What-s-new-in-Linux-3-2-1400680.html
[09:10] <daubers> \o/
[09:10] <mattt> morning morning
[09:10] <daubers> achievment unlocked: Made the estate agents panic
[09:10] <mattt> daubers: how so?
[09:10] <czajkowski> daubers: heh how so ?
[09:11] <daubers> mattt: Landlord let himself in again yesterday and left the door unlocked. So rang the agents today and asked for a copy of either the court order or a description of the emergency for which he let himself in with
[09:11] <daubers> No notice == no acces
[09:12] <mattt> yeah, gotta give 24 hours notice or some crap right?
[09:12] <daubers> Yup, unless in an emergency or unless they have a court order granting them access
[09:12] <mattt> daubers: did you land your place in newbury?
[09:12] <daubers> mattt: No :(
[09:13] <mattt> :(
[09:13] <daubers> mattt: Turns out the area is like a demiliterised zone
[09:13] <mattt> what do you mean?
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> Demilitarized is good. No tanks roaming the streets, etc. :P
[09:14] <daubers> The area that house was in had a lot of a reputation when we asked around
[09:14] <DJones> daubers: You make it sound like Tripoli
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Newbury, Tripoli. Easy typo to make
[09:14] <mattt> :)
[09:15] <czajkowski> daubers: interesting in my old place in aldershot landlord used to come and go as he pleased one day he let himself in to use the internet, his reasons were house was still being set up (not really) and we leased rooms not the entire house but yet he was in our communal area
[09:15] <mattt> i've had my apartment for 2.5 years now, never seen the landlord once since we moved in
[09:15] <mattt> maybe he's been sneaking in behind my back :P
[09:15] <daubers> czajkowski: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_family/home_and_neighbourhood_index_ew/renting_a_home_index_ew/common_problems_with_renting.htm#The_landlords_rights_of_entry
[09:16] <mattt> daubers: familiar w/ purley?  we've put an offer on a place there ...
[09:16] <daubers> mattt: Purley is supposed to be quite nice
[09:16] <czajkowski> daubers: aye I did look it at the time, but again we leased rooms not a house.
[09:16] <czajkowski> I recognise that name as a train stop I pass on the way to caterham
[09:16] <mattt> daubers: i hope so ... made sure the house is outside of any flooding area :)
[09:16] <daubers> czajkowski: In that scenario I'd check your contract and ask at the cab
[09:17] <czajkowski> daubers: tis cool I dont live there any more and he as within his rights
[09:17] <daubers> mattt: I've driven through there a couple of times. Seem's nice and quiet
[09:17] <mattt> this site is brilliant if you're looking for a place to live: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/default.aspx
[09:18] <daubers> czajkowski: I've been tempted to ring the agents a couple of times after he's done it and say "We got home today, noticed the landlord had let himself in again and the TV is missing...."
[09:18] <mattt> daubers: lol
[09:19] <czajkowski> daubers: what has the agent said to you regarding him letting himself in ?
[09:19] <daubers> czajkowski: He's not allowed to. They agree and weren't surprised when I told them I'd just ring the police next time he did on the last occasion he did, which is why I've asked for the documentation this time
[09:20] <czajkowski> hmm very odd they didnt ring him and warn him
[09:20] <czajkowski> and more daft of him to then do so again
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: he might not care
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: or think it's "just a threat"
[09:20] <daubers> Last time he did it he covered half our stuff with paint and I ripped into them
[09:20] <czajkowski> unless as one of my mates landlord said, it's still his property and he's entitled to check on things
[09:20] <daubers> czajkowski: He's not
[09:20] <daubers> He has to give 24 hours notice
[09:21] <czajkowski> daubers: I appreciate he has to,  I do. but ....
[09:21] <daubers> If he supplies 24 hours notice in writing, we can't refuse him entry, but he can't let himself in without giving notice or our agreement
[09:21] <czajkowski> nods
[09:21] <daubers> It's in the housing act
[09:21] <daubers> or the landlord and tennant act, one of those two
[09:22] <oimon> ugh..don't put your breakfast almond croissant in the same bag as an onion roll.
[09:22] <daubers> I'm done with playing games, he's proven he doesn't really care by telling me that he'll fix the building issues "Before the next tennants move in"
[09:22] <shauno> I do wonder if it's a little bit odd in places where you're letting a room, rather than the whole property.  I've been quite clear on that bit
[09:22] <shauno> er, never been quite clear, rather
[09:24] <popey> Morning ratfans!
[09:24] <daubers> Morning
[09:25]  * daubers goes to order a new laptop and wait for the estate agent to ring back
[09:26] <oimon> for yourself daubers?
[09:30] <DJones> grr. Sourceforge is down
[09:33] <oimon> call the cops
[09:34] <oimon> bah, their status page is broken too
[09:34] <DJones> oimon: I tried that :)
[09:35] <daubers> oimon: Yeah new work laptop for me
[09:35] <DJones> I guess they must still be on holiday, their twitter account hasn't been updated either
[09:36] <oimon> i'm an excellent speller but find it hard to remember the spelling of veeam , such a lame word
[09:37] <oimon> often get veaam or veamm
[09:39] <DJones> oimon: Is that even a word?
[09:39] <oimon> not a word, but a product
[09:39] <DJones> Ah, that explains why I can't find a definition in a dictionary
[09:40] <DJones> I was trying to look it up to see what it meant
[09:40] <oimon> i have my blanket again today. i wonder if i can take it to a meeting
[09:41] <DJones> I could do with a hot water bottle
[09:41] <oimon> did that last year. tootsies get rather cold in this office
[09:55] <oimon> if you are applying for a role/project at work, is it arrogant on the form to say that $company would benefit from my services?
[09:56] <popey> daubers: what you gettin?
[09:56] <daubers> popey: Samsung i5 thing
[09:57] <daubers> popey: http://www.added-dimension.co.uk/ExpertNotes/2011/Samsung/Notebooks/NP-600B4B-A01UK.pdf <- That
[09:58] <gord> oimon, if you have to ask, its probably not worth taking the risk
[09:59] <oimon> :P
[09:59] <gordonjcp> oimon: maybe, maybe not
[09:59] <oimon> changed it to "i have a lot to offer"
[09:59] <gordonjcp> oimon: you're trying to get them to buy what you're selling
[09:59] <gord> i will pay you ten english pounds if you change that to "otter"
[09:59] <gordonjcp> oimon: if you have a specific thing they can benefit from that you do, you should tell them
[09:59]  * oimon finds a suitably ambiguous font
[10:00] <DJones> oimon: Comic Sans :)
[10:00] <popey> nice daubers
[10:00] <gord> i had to print out some labels over the holidays, used the ubuntu font of course. something about it seemed quite comic sansey. kinda weird when it looks quite professional on all my displays
[10:01] <oimon> using glabel? that's a great app
[10:01] <oimon> especially for jam jars
[10:01] <JamesTait> Morning all.
[10:02] <gord> erm, i used open office, i guess, or libre office? i don't know. i pressed the document button on my launcher and got something and it had a label button
[10:02] <oimon> shame, glabel is a joy
[10:02] <gord> whatever it was let me select the specific paper type i was using and let me edit the text that was printed on them, pretty much all i needed ;)
[10:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:41] <Laney> ello
[10:41] <brobostigon> hello Laney
[10:41] <Laney> alright?
[10:41] <brobostigon> not in the slightest, my eczema is pretty bad. and you?
[10:41] <Laney> oh :(
[10:42] <brobostigon> agreed, yes.
[10:42] <Laney> back at work blues
[10:42] <Laney> listening to uupc though, and glad to see that they propogated the "fedex arrow" disease to others :-)
[10:43] <brobostigon> :)
[10:43] <popey> i didnt look during the show
[10:43] <popey> just looked
[10:43] <popey> can't unlook
[10:43] <Laney> you definitely can't unsee it
[10:43] <Laney> but your mission becomes to spread the virus as wide as possible
[10:45] <popey> which reminds me
[10:45]  * popey fires up gpodder
[10:48] <Laney> now i feel christmassy again
[10:50] <Laney> pretty blowy out there, eh?
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning All
[11:03]  * davmor2 tickles czajkowski
[11:06] <hoover> morning
[11:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: hello my dear how are you this fantastic morning
[11:09]  * davmor2 staples czajkowski hair to the back of her chair for being so damn cheerful
[11:09] <davmor2> Fine thanks
[11:09] <davmor2> you?
[11:09] <czajkowski> great thanks
[11:23] <MooDoo> good morning davmor2 kind sir and czajkowski beautiful ma'am :D
[11:23] <popey> creep
[11:23] <MooDoo> oh ello popey you old git ;)
[11:23] <popey> thats more like it
[11:24] <gord> if i ever see davmor2 with a stapler in his hand, i'm going to judo chop him in the face.
[11:24] <MooDoo> gord: remove the first part and just jodo chop him any way
[11:25] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ello poppin, how was your Christmas?
[11:25] <MooDoo> czajkowski: it was fabulous my darling, i hope you got everything your beautiful heart desired ;)
[11:26] <czajkowski> I did indeed, it was great
[11:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski: fabbo, i got a new camera :D
[11:26] <czajkowski> oh snazzy what kind ?
[11:27] <czajkowski> hmm that reminds me I need to get a lens protector and some cleaning fluid
[11:27] <MooDoo> czajkowski: Nikon D300s with a MB-d10 battery grip :)
[11:28] <davmor2> popey: did you like the youtube video of minecraft with wii remote :)
[11:28] <popey> didnt see it
[11:31] <davmor2> Jan 04 12:51:13 <davmor2>	popey: this one is for you and the minecraft massive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJHDPTN5gw
[11:32] <czajkowski> MooDoo: nice
[11:33] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yes it is :)
[11:34] <popey> heh
[12:11] <czajkowski> danfish: AlanBell mattt just rang grounpon and got them to reset my code will be fixed on monday, seems to have been some issue with the codes being uploaded. you can email them to get yours reset
[12:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: whom are you calling massive?
[12:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know there is big following and posse didn't sound right :D
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> Jungle is massive?
[12:16] <daubers> Wicked?
[12:16] <gord> the 90's was 12 years ago, let it go :P
[12:16]  * bigcalm wibbles
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> gord: NO!
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> "_
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> :)
[12:17] <davmor2> gord: I'm stuck in the 80's dude leave me be
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: 1880s?
[12:17] <gord> spent a good chunk of yesterday trying to remember the name of that red headed comedian that would fake interview people on the red carpet in the 90's. finally remembered this morning -_-
[12:18] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I ain't that old :P
[12:18] <bigcalm> gord: whom was it?
[12:18] <gord> bigcalm, that would ruin all the fun wouldn't it?
[12:19] <christel> haha
[12:19] <bigcalm> I don't remember such things any way :P
[12:20] <monsterwizard> what does everyone think of my set up
[12:20] <monsterwizard> http://goo.gl/uK2fh
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> monsterwizard: reverse nyan cats?
[12:20] <bigcalm> Someone set us up the bomb
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://unhearit.com/
[12:21] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:21] <bigcalm> What I'm currently listening to has a bit of a rude name, so won't repeat it
[12:22] <davmor2> gord: I vaguely remember that
[12:22] <Dave2> I was confused and then realized that this wasn't the channel I thought it was
[12:22] <bigcalm> Dave2: disturbing isn't it?
[12:22]  * christel channels Dave2
[12:22] <bigcalm> Oh my
[12:22] <Dave2> !
[12:22] <christel> I'll disturbe YOUR channel
[12:22] <christel> (did i do it right?)
[12:22] <bigcalm> You have
[12:22] <gord> Dave2, check around your surroundings for jedi's
[12:23] <christel> \o/
[12:23] <christel> do you know what i did yesterday?
[12:23] <christel> i installed ubuntu for the first time evar
[12:23] <bigcalm> No, but I know what you did last summer
[12:23] <bigcalm> Ooo
[12:23] <popey> \o/
[12:23] <bigcalm> What drove you over the edge?
[12:23] <christel> having always said that it was a silly distro and i'd stick to debian etc
[12:23] <davmor2> Dave2: This is not the channel you are looking for, you can go about your business, move along, move along
[12:24] <christel> bigcalm: well, i feel it was only fair seeing how i keep impersonating an ubuntu user and attend all these ubuntu social events full of lovely people
[12:24] <christel> and you know, i sort of like it
[12:24] <bigcalm> \o/
[12:24] <daubers> the lovely people are the big pull factor for ubuntu - *FACT*
[12:24] <gord> "Ubuntu: I sort of like it". we should put that on the website
[12:24] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:25] <christel> haha
[12:25] <monsterwizard> http://unhearit.com/
[12:25] <gordonjcp> "Ubuntu - it's not that bad when you get your head round it"
[12:25] <davmor2> christel: Isn't that like most people saying it's the most amazing thing in the universe?
[12:25] <christel> :P
[12:25] <AlanBell> thanks czajkowski
[12:26] <davmor2> christel: Blame czajkowski she isn't breaking, damn her!
[12:26] <christel> davmor2: don't break her, she's going in to be repaired tomorrow -- wait until she returns!
[12:27] <bigcalm> The ubuntu-uk website needs a 'faint praise' section
[12:27] <christel> it'll be much more satisfying then!
[12:27] <christel> it also was much quicker to install than gentoo.. who would have thought it?
[12:27] <christel> :P
[12:27] <davmor2> christel: No then I have to be nice till she is better then I get to annoy her really good :)
[12:27] <christel> *grin*
[12:28] <bep> Ho
[12:28] <bep> oh noes
[12:28] <christel> i may give it a try for a while, we shall see how i like it
[12:28] <davmor4> 4 is better than 3
[12:28] <christel> i've even decided to give unity a fair try (though xfce may be pulling me back)
[12:28] <davmor4> even better than 2
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> davmor4: why not pi?
[12:29]  * davmor4 chuckles
[12:29] <oimon> my brother in law "hey oimon i instaleld ubuntu on my laptop, it's brilliant, it's really improved since that time you tried to get me to use it 5 years ago". me: " hey that's great. glad you enjoy.which version?" b-in-law: "the latest one, 11.04 i think",
[12:29] <popey> Excellent.
[12:30] <christel> \o/
[12:30] <popey> Screw you, nay-sayers!
[12:30] <oimon> i guess that means he has unity
[12:31] <gord> i read earlier that mint is going to start having its own de forked off from shell. i have no idea what the "i hate everything new" people are going to use now
[12:31] <oimon> own what?
[12:31] <oimon> DE?
[12:32] <gord> desktop environment?
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> gord: terminals with vi
[12:32] <oimon> i thought you said de-forked
[12:32] <oimon> :P
[12:32] <oimon> new word
[12:32] <popey> yay, i left a comment on omg
[12:32] <popey> it's got 36 "likes"
[12:32] <popey> that means I'm right, right?
[12:33] <oimon> right according to 14yr olds
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: no it means people like you
[12:33] <popey> dunno if they know its me
[12:33] <popey> no avatar
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: nickname "The Popester", they know it's you.
[12:33] <popey> 14 year olds are the ubuntu users of the future
[12:33] <popey> 50 year old beardy anti-change types are the worm-fodder of the future
[12:34] <oimon> 14 year old omg readers are the reactionary distro hopping wannabe mac owners of the future
[12:34] <directhex> i am the me of the future
[12:34] <oimon> having said that , i look forward to the release of elementary os
[12:35] <popey> the only distro hoppers I know are mid-thirties and above
[12:35] <gord> i think its a testament to the ubuntu community that you can often not tell the 12 year olds from the rest of them
[12:35] <popey> lazy people who can't be arsed to file a bug, but _can_ be arsed to download an iso and completely reinstall their desktop
[12:35] <christel> aahh, i've done some distro hopping
[12:36] <gord> i meant that in the nice way, not in the everyone in ubuntu is a 12 year old way ;)
[12:36] <popey> LOL!!!1111
[12:36] <oimon> popey link to comment?
[12:36] <directhex> strictly speaking, i don't care how old someone is, as long as they're not an idiot
[12:36] <directhex> i tend to give idiots what they deserve, regardless of age
[12:36] <oimon> although most of us were eejits when teenagers
[12:37] <popey> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/is-linux-marketshare-on-the-rise-it-seems-so/
[12:37] <christel> i dunno, i think my idiocy started much later..
[12:37] <popey> in thre
[12:37] <christel> :x
[12:37] <directhex> conveniently<EMAIL_ADDRESS>can be mean to people<EMAIL_ADDRESS>signed a code of conduct, and he's well behaved
[12:37] <daubers> Why do  Ikeep hearing cockney rebel on the radio at the minute?
[12:38]  * czajkowski tickles christel hello darling
[12:38] <christel> hey babe!
[12:38] <christel> <3
[12:45] <oimon> gord, were you referring to the cinnamon desktop?
[12:46] <gord> oimon, maybe? i dunno
[12:46] <oimon> i'm in favour of cinnamon if it makes gnome shell eaier to use
[12:48] <oimon> essentially they are repackaging gnome desktop in the same way that ubuntu did with gnome2.x series (because the stock gnome 2.x was ugly). although many people never saw stock gnome2 cos most distros prettified it
[12:50] <oimon> currently the gnome shell notifications interferes with the dock, so i hope i there's either an extension or different desktop that fixes the annoyances i've discovered with shell.
[13:09] <christel> mmm i want a cinnamon swirl now
[13:09] <oimon> when twitter says via: $app for chrome, does it mean chrome OS or chrome browser app? or both?
[13:11] <oimon> hmm it seems hotot is available as a chrome browser app, must be it the
[13:11] <mattt> czajkowski: thanks for the update!
[13:14] <czajkowski> np
[13:22] <oimon> i just looked at www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu . it seems that a lot of people are using it as askubuntu or irc replacement . weird
[13:24] <bigcalm> A client has just told me that "you're being very modest!". I can't tell if they are being sarcastic or not :(
[13:27] <popey> oimon: people ask their own community
[13:27] <oimon> true
[13:27] <oimon> i ask ubuntu-uk irc for advice on home appliances and tv aerials
[13:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: how come you get to tickle christel and not get your hands slapped
[13:34] <DJones> davmor2: She must have warm hands
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> http://trekcore.com/audio/
[13:46] <christel> oh, she enjoys a good slap too much ;)
[13:47] <selinuxium> Hi all.   o/
[13:47] <selinuxium> Only just noticed Dropbox have updated there T&Cs... :(    http://www.itproportal.com/2011/07/04/dropbox-updates-terms-service-now-owns-all-your-stuff/
[13:49] <DJones> Ewww, this looks a biy icky http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/01/05/quick_2.jpg
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> Hmm.. burned to a crisp
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: again?!
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: 04 July, 2011
[13:50] <gord> selinuxium, those type of agreements are normally there just so they can share your files, you have to give them the rights to let other people look at them
[13:51] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Black dye apparently, to celebrate the release os Star Wars 1 in 3D
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> There was never a Star Wars 1
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> only IV, V and VI exist.
[13:51] <gord> messa think you kidding yourself
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> gord: I also think they should make a sequel to The Matrix
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> because they never did..
[13:52] <DJones> MartijnVdS: This is true, although the scripts for 1-3 and 7-9 were done from memory
[13:52] <oimon> DJones: is tht yoda's teeth in the jedi burger?
[13:53] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, I did say I only just noticed... :)
[13:53] <DJones> oimon: Yuch, that makes the dark burger sound more appealing
[13:54] <oimon> the dark one looks more like death star than vaders bonce
[13:57] <Laney> haha, that Ubuntu phone mockup
[13:58] <oimon> don't laugh too soon
[13:58] <oimon> if shuttleworth does a monkey dance with the phone
[13:58] <Laney> err
[14:20] <popey> it wont be a phone, it'll be a toaster
[14:21] <daubers>  Ubutoast!
[14:21] <popey> anyone know if it's possible to supress the screensaver lock when you resume from suspend?
[14:21] <daubers> Or have they finally implimented coffee over IP?
[14:21] <popey> so it wakes to the desktop?
[14:23] <daubers> Do we still use the gnome screensaver thing?
[14:23] <AlanBell> popey: in gconf-editor
[14:23] <popey> yes
[14:23] <popey> oh, where?
[14:24] <Laney> it used to be /apps/power-manager/something/lock IIRC, but that might have changed with gsettings
[14:24] <AlanBell> err, it is gone
[14:25] <AlanBell> apps/gnome-power-manager/lock I think, but it isn't there, I did it on an old laptop
[14:25] <Laney> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662432#c0
[14:25] <popey> this is on 11.10
[14:27] <popey> suggestions include.. blanking the password
[14:28] <popey> and removing the screensaver package
[14:28]  * popey tickles aquarius with SSDs
[14:28] <AlanBell> I was thinking kill the screensaver in /etc/apm/resume.d
[14:28] <popey> another good one
[14:28] <AlanBell> *however* that means someone can unlock your screensaver by closing the lid and re-opening it
[14:29] <popey> this is for someone who has a girlfriend with a netbook who cares little for security
[14:29] <popey> so 'meh'
[14:29] <Laney> but wants the lock on normally?
[14:29] <popey> no
[14:29] <popey> wants to never have to enter passwords
[14:29] <Laney> oh
[14:29] <AlanBell> oh, just turn off the screensaver lock then
[14:29] <popey> the old windows and osx way
[14:29] <Laney> yes indeed
[14:29] <popey> that doesnt work AlanBell
[14:29] <popey> resume _always_ invokes screensaver
[14:29] <popey> whether you have that on or off
[14:30] <Laney> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.lockdown disable-lock-screen 'true'
[14:30] <Laney> try that
[14:33] <popey> thanks for the suggestions chaps
[14:34] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: re closing and opening laptop lid - that's not really important; if I decide I never want a screensaver password under any circumstances I should be able to get that
[14:35] <gordonjcp> I never want to have to enter a login password either
[14:35] <Laney> it wasn't clear that was what was requested
[14:35] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: yes, I didn't understand the requiremnets properly
[14:35] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: ah, I see
[14:35] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: it's annoying wee niggly things like that, that really bug me
[14:36] <AlanBell> what I would like is if I wander off and leave my laptop it locks. If I shut the lid, walk somewhere else with it and open it then I don't have to unlock it because I never left it
[14:36] <gordonjcp> although what's most annoying is that suspend doesn't work at all
[14:36] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: well in that case, use bluetooth
[14:36] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: get your laptop to detect your phone and lock based on RSSI
[14:37] <AlanBell> good point, is there a nice package for that?
[14:37] <gordonjcp> there used to be
[14:37] <gordonjcp> that's how the thing that did that on Macs worked
[14:39] <AlanBell> !info blueproximity
[14:40]  * AlanBell goes to poke someone about the bot distro version
[14:42] <daubers> \o/ my horrific mass of interlinked models in django work
[14:47] <s-fox> Boo MooDoo  :)
[15:05] <KrisDouglas> I love blueproximity
[15:06] <Laney> sounds like a battery sapper
[15:07] <KrisDouglas> Depends how good your BT device is/how well supported.
[15:25] <zleap> tombrough,
[15:41] <AlanBell> my house has stopped responding to pings
[15:42] <oimon> if a a blueray writer writes BR disks at 6x , what speed does it write DVDs if at all?
[15:43] <gord> i don't think there is a direct relation
[15:45] <oimon> i seee
[15:46] <oimon> looking further it seems that a typical 6x BR writer, will read/write dvd at between 5-8x ..so 35mbs vs 10mbs
[15:47] <oimon> i meant to say, 35mbs = 1x BR , 10mb = 1x DVD. also a 6x BR writer will prob write at between 2x-6x
[15:48] <davmor2> Laney: depends if your bluetooth device is a PS3 controller :D
[15:49] <davmor2> oimon: No it will almost certain burn as fast as the DVD will allow
[16:01] <rascal999> are there any hack talks in the uk?
[16:04] <zleap> not sure,  you mean like in the US
[16:05] <rascal999> zleap: yeah
[16:05] <zleap> well user groups may give talks,  on stuff
[16:06] <zleap> hacking is seen my many as breaking in to systems,  rather than hacking in the programming sense
[16:06]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[16:06] <zleap> or hardware hacking sense
[16:17] <zleap> rascal999, sorry i can't help further
[16:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: what for this time?
[16:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: just cause :)
[16:23] <rascal999> zleap: 44con is what i was after
[16:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's worrying
[16:25] <czajkowski> aww miss you too davmor2
[16:31] <bigcalm> Have a hug and be happy :)
[16:34] <MonsterKiller> ? stock
[16:34] <MonsterKiller> wrong one
[16:34] <MonsterKiller> lol
[16:37] <danfish> afternoon
[16:37] <danfish> practice manager - "the screen on the server's gone all funny"
[16:37] <danfish> it's a windows 2003 server
[16:38] <oimon> i embarrassed myself the other day by asking where the base unit of a new imac was. looked identical to an apple monitor
[16:38] <danfish> ^^^ reason 1103 why it can be bad to have a gui on a server :/
[16:42] <zleap> ok,  i will look 44con up to see what it is anyway
[17:05] <Azelphur> Is it possible to create a user called "admin" which is the same as the admin group? useradd and adduser whine about the group already existing
[17:06] <ali1234> yes it's possible
[17:06] <Azelphur> how?
[17:07] <ali1234> just edit /etc/passwd
[17:07] <Azelphur> haha
[17:07] <ali1234> ubuntu makes a group for every user
[17:07] <ali1234> idk why, it never used to work that way
[17:08] <Azelphur> fun
[17:09] <Azelphur> think actually instead of creating an admin account I'll just give each person who requires it an account in the admin group, it's probably better/more secure anyway.
[17:09] <bigcalm> You could use sudo
[17:09] <Azelphur> that would be using sudo
[17:09] <bigcalm> Ok
[17:09] <Azelphur> if you put someone in the admin group, that gives them sudo access
[17:11] <jutnux> You can also edit the sudoers file by typing visudo
[17:33] <directhex> you can pass --ingroup to adduser, to add a new user to an old group
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> you don't even have to learn vi if you set the EDITOR or VISUAL environment variable
[17:35] <directhex> EDITOR=oowrite
[17:38] <bigcalm> Oh my
[17:39] <bigcalm> Friday tomorrow \o/
[17:40] <zleap> gedit or bluefish works fine for me,
[17:41] <gordonjcp> gedit ftw
[17:42] <zleap> :)
[17:43] <zleap> hello ukaya
[17:43] <ukaya> hi
[17:43] <ukaya> how are you
[17:53] <Laney> I am scared about my impending windy ride home :-O
[17:54] <zleap> ok is this correct,  for apps the close button thingy is on the top bar of unity, whereas the nautilus one is on each window ?
[17:58] <directhex> i am scared about my impending attempt to get out of a tight parking space
[17:59] <Azelphur> haha
[18:00] <Laney> one day i'll learn to drive
[18:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> quick grep question... please.
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: !ask :P
[18:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Syntax to search for "..."
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: grep \\.\\.\\. foo
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: or grep '\.\.\.' foo
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaning_toothpick_syndrome :)
[18:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty
[18:29] <bigcalm> \.{3}
[18:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> gah - there are millions of "..." in the code. Am trying to find a SQL query that has a LIMIT clause and is adding "..." to the result. This will be fun. BUt now it's tea time!
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: grep does {x} syntax?
[18:29] <bigcalm> No idea :)
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also, escaping for shell, so \\.
[18:30] <bigcalm> I assumed containing quotes
[18:31] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: do you need to replace ... with … ?
[18:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: nah. I just want to find where the code is appending "..." to the result. But tea's up. Laterz.
[18:36] <bigcalm> I see
[18:45] <AlanBell> yay, home router rebooted and my house can be pinged again
[18:45] <bigcalm> \o/
[18:46] <bigcalm> We had my grand mother's router on a timer switch that would turn it off for 1 min each day. Only way to ensure that it was working the rest of the time due to random drops
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[19:46] <davmor2> popey: I wants a shuttlepad :D
[19:49] <popey> Me too! :D
[19:50] <davmor2> popey: I'll take a couple of those Ubuntu Phones from OMG!Ubuntu too :D
[19:50] <popey> yeah, maybe if they dial down the orange a bit
[19:52] <jacobw> more aubergine
[19:58] <davmor2> popey: No I like the Orange and the 2inches of camera lens
[20:04] <jutnux> I want a Shuttlepad and an American Mastiff
[20:06] <jutnux> Or a St Bernard :-)
[20:10]  * gordonjcp isn't really a dog person
[20:12] <ali1234> ubuntu phones lol
[20:12] <christel> i don't know what a shuttlepad is
[20:12]  * christel googleses
[20:12] <christel> ok, that does not appear to be a breed of dog :P
[20:14] <jutnux> I have a cat
[20:15] <jutnux> but she's boring
[20:15] <ali1234> if your washing machine threw up a cryptic error message and then crashed more than once you;d demand a refund. why do we accept this from PCs?
[20:16] <ali1234> and why have we allowed apple and google to take over the mobile market with equally crappy software?
[20:17] <davmor2> jutnux: I have a cat too, well sponsor one, it's not so boring https://picasaweb.google.com/104244164525559506101/TigerTrip2010#5479982494408818594
[20:18] <jutnux> davmor2: That doesn't count :-(
[20:18] <davmor2> jutnux: It's a cat
[20:18] <jutnux> I meant a small cat capable of living in a house.
[20:19] <davmor2> jutnux: That is it's only 8feet long
[20:19] <ali1234> you know how you can get micropigs
[20:19] <jutnux> You know what I mean, I hope.
[20:19] <ali1234> can you get microcats? that are like mouse-sized?
[20:19] <jutnux> ali1234: Doubt it
[20:19] <jutnux> ali1234: I find it funny when people purchase MicroPigs
[20:19] <jutnux> Only to get a real pig
[20:25] <ali1234> i guess housecats are microcats really
[20:25] <ali1234> when you think about it :)
[20:47]  * mattt went to ikea, and is now knackered
[20:50] <christel> ah! i am ikeaing on saturday!
[20:55] <jutnux> Ikea <3
[20:56] <Azelphur> I'm playing with my shiny new server :3
[20:56] <Azelphur> setting up inspircd now, funny enough :D
[20:58]  * mattt doesn't like ikea
[20:58] <mattt> it just goes on and on and on :/
[20:59] <Azelphur> blasphemy
[21:01] <jacobw> http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2011/04/10/alan-penn-on-shop-floor-plan-design-ikea-and-dark-patterns/
[21:11] <Azelphur> what's a good tool to get shiny graphs for network/cpu etc? :)
[21:13] <jacobw> cacti
[21:14] <Azelphur> fancy
[21:15]  * Azelphur loads it on his PC to take a look
[21:15] <ali1234> cacti is horrible to set up
[21:15] <ali1234> it's easier to just set up rrdtool manually
[21:15] <jacobw> yes
[21:20] <Azelphur> haha, yea it doesn't seem to be being too great, It never asked me to create an account so I had to dive into MySQL and reset the password to login, once I logged in it doesn't actually seem to be generating any graphs
[21:20] <Azelphur> XD
[21:20] <jacobw> its fussy
[21:21] <Azelphur> preferably just want something that's click n go
[21:22] <jacobw> http://workaround.org/try-zabbix
[21:25] <Azelphur> zabbix does sound fancy, I did want service monitoring too
[21:26] <jacobw> workaround.org is great
[21:26] <jacobw> home of the ispmail tutorials
[21:27] <Azelphur> :)
[22:10] <mattt> speaking of cacti
[22:10] <mattt> i've been trying out zenoss ... it's a nice combo of nagios + cacti
[22:12] <mgdm> I played with opsview for a bit
[22:12] <mgdm> it seemed nice enough
[22:14] <mattt> opsview are based in reading, thought that was kinda cool :P
[22:14] <mattt> but otherwise the interface looked a bit brutal to me, but i didn't give it much time
[22:36] <ali1234> how do i add a patch to a package that uses cdbs simplepatchsys?
[22:38] <Laney> put it in debian/patches (use edit-patch)
[22:46] <ali1234> cdbs-edit-patch
[22:47] <ali1234> ok, someone want to confirm #912524 for me?
[22:47] <AlanBell> bug 912524
[22:48] <Azelphur> are system v init scripts responsible for restarting crashed things? or are they just start/stop usually
[22:48] <ali1234> just start stop
[22:48] <Azelphur> righto :p
[22:48] <ali1234> usually they use start-stop-daemon if that behaviour is desired
[22:48] <ali1234> well they used to
[22:49] <ali1234> everyone uses upstart or systemd now
[22:49] <ali1234> they are better
[22:49] <Azelphur> o.O
[22:49] <ali1234> if you are working on some busybox embedde dsystem then anything goes
[22:49] <Azelphur> I dunno what I'm using, whatever the built in thing is in 11.10
[22:49] <ali1234> dunno, but it's not sysv init any more i know that
[22:49] <Azelphur> fair enough
[22:52] <ali1234> wow, cairo-clock sure is buggy
[22:53] <hamitron> evening
[23:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: have you seen bitcoin prices recently? :P
[23:04] <Azelphur> My coins have almost doubled in value since late december, awww ye :D
[23:07] <ali1234> yeah
[23:07] <ali1234> $6.5
[23:08] <Azelphur> ali1234: it's awesome, I have 500B stocked waiting for the prices to rise
[23:08] <palnj> yo dudes!
[23:09] <Azelphur> yo dude! sweet!
[23:09] <ali1234> i've only got about 70
[23:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: hehe, £1300 -> £2100 in one week, my favourite interest rate/return on investment XD
[23:09] <palnj> ali1234: so what's it we're discussing atm?
[23:10] <Azelphur> palnj: bitcoin
[23:10] <ali1234> yeah but what about opportunity cost
[23:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: opportunity cost?
[23:11] <palnj> just looked it up on wikipedia...i don't really get it
[23:11] <palnj> :P so it's basically MoneyGram or something but over the 'net?
[23:11] <Azelphur> palnj: http://www.weusecoins.com/ watch video receive answers :D
[23:12] <palnj> alrightey then, thx Azelphur
[23:12] <hamitron> Azelphur, the FTSE 100 generally gets better rewards than savings accounts, but has more risk ;)
[23:12] <Azelphur> hamitron: *shrug*
[23:13] <hamitron> I like bitcoin personally, but it is very unstable and very high risk atm
[23:13] <hamitron> very interesting
[23:13] <hamitron> :)
[23:13] <ali1234> there is basically zero risk if you don't buy them
[23:14] <Azelphur> like me :D
[23:14] <hamitron> ali1234, as with any investment
[23:14] <hamitron> :)
[23:14] <palnj> Azelphur: ah, now i get it!
[23:14] <ali1234> you probably don't get it
[23:14] <palnj> they say you can change BTC into USD, EUR and the like
[23:14] <ali1234> bitcoin is very complicated
[23:14] <ali1234> almost nobody gets it
[23:15] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:15] <palnj> why would i want Euros though? They're dead as of now :P
[23:15] <ali1234> it's not like anything else that already exists
[23:15] <palnj> ali1234: that's exactly why it's so awesome
[23:15] <ali1234> agreed
[23:15] <palnj> or rather, appears to /be/ so awesome
[23:15] <hamitron> it is awesome, until it fails
[23:16] <palnj> innvoation may bring haters, but the pleasure gained is save for laters
[23:16] <palnj> one of my teachers said that to me a couple years back :D
[23:16] <palnj> s/save/saved
[23:17] <palnj> what is that, a triple post or something?!?!
[23:17] <palnj> my pc's messed up
[23:17] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle
[23:17] <ali1234> hamitron seems to be stuck in the trough of disillusionment
[23:18] <Azelphur> haha
[23:18] <hamitron> ;/
[23:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: he always is
[23:18] <hamitron> bah, sod you all ;/
[23:18] <palnj> overview of the Hype Cycle: a new technology is invented, and everyone gets happy over it, then everyone gets bored of it, and 10 years down the line, some people get interested in it again ;)
[23:18] <palnj> i think that just about sums it up perfectly!
[23:18] <Azelphur> :D
[23:19] <ali1234> well it's more about unrealistic expectations
[23:19] <hamitron> I think it is fine till something breaks it, so long as you don't expect too much
[23:19] <hamitron> I put 5p coins in a jar, and realise it will never make me rich ;)
[23:20] <ali1234> that's just about the worst investment idea ever
[23:20] <palnj> the hype cycle has been in play with apple since just about forever
[23:20] <palnj> well, 1970s America anyway
[23:20] <ali1234> eh, not really
[23:20] <hamitron> ali1234, 5p coins?
[23:20] <AlanBell> 2p coins are a much better investment
[23:21] <ali1234> the first dotcom bubble is a really good example of the hype cycle
[23:21] <palnj> hamitron: i did that with pennies for 2 years, and made five quid
[23:21] <AlanBell> the old ones have a scrap value of 3.4p
[23:21] <hamitron> AlanBell, I put all loose change in jars
[23:21] <hamitron> saves me money on new pockets
[23:22] <ali1234> why don't you put it in the bank?
[23:22] <hamitron> that takes effort
[23:22] <palnj> hamitron: haha lol
[23:23] <ali1234> how exactly are you planning to spend it if it's all in jars?
[23:23] <palnj> i read on facebook: People who harm children deserve to be strangled at birth
[23:23] <palnj> ironic really
[23:23] <hamitron> I save it for years, then cash it in
[23:23] <hamitron> I bought another motorbike with the last savings
[23:23] <hamitron> :)
[23:24] <ali1234> with 5ps?
[23:24] <hamitron> no, 20p and below
[23:24] <ali1234> i bet the guy you bought it from was pleased with that
[23:24] <hamitron> I have a jar for each type of coin
[23:24] <hamitron> haha
[23:24] <ali1234> did the cash weight more or less than the bike?
[23:24] <hamitron> hmmmm, it was heavy
[23:25] <hamitron> I took it in 5 batches
[23:25] <ali1234> LOL
[23:25] <ali1234> why didn't you just take it to the bank
[23:25] <hamitron> I did ;/
[23:25] <hamitron> just all at once
[23:25] <hamitron> ;)
[23:25] <ali1234> so you had to make 5 trips to the bank anyway
[23:25] <hamitron> yeh
[23:25] <ali1234> i guess if you live in the middle of nowhere.....
[23:26] <hamitron> but it felt good, counting all that.... with no idea how much I had
[23:26] <ali1234> 6 hours later "wow i;ve got £3.60"
[23:26] <hamitron> :))
[23:26] <hamitron> I was clever, and paid my sister £5 "to count some change"
[23:27] <hamitron> I just watched tv
[23:27] <ali1234> that's not clever
[23:27] <ali1234> the bank will do it for free
[23:27] <hamitron> time man
[23:27] <hamitron> :/
[23:27] <ali1234> they have a machine
[23:27] <hamitron> the bank wouldn't call round on a Sunday, and count it while I watch tv
[23:27] <palnj> there is a much easier way to count money
[23:28] <palnj> measure the weight of one coin of a certain type (e.g. 5p)
[23:28] <ali1234> that's not reliable
[23:28] <palnj> then weigh all of the same type (i.e. 5p's) and divide by the weight of one coin to find out how many 5p's you have, for example
[23:28] <ali1234> they don't weigh the same anyway
[23:28] <hamitron> last time I did it, I had it in 1.25kg tins of coffee, all mixed
[23:28] <hamitron> :/
[23:29] <hamitron> not now though, better organised
[23:29] <hamitron> :)
[23:30] <hamitron> not gonna let it get above £100 this time
[23:32] <palnj> ali1234: standard deviation of coins is usually about a 100th of a gram at most p/coin
[23:32] <ali1234> i must have lots of fake coins then
[23:33] <hamitron> ali1234, I reckon you secretly count them every day, and wear them out ;)
[23:36] <hamitron> tbh, I think bitcoins are probably a better way to save atm
[23:43] <gordonjcp> hamitron: http://www.gjcp.net/smash/
[23:44] <hamitron> gordonjcp, I did GCSE maths ty
[23:44] <hamitron> :)


[16:04] <Kilos> afternoon guys
[16:04] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:04]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:08] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:09] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you
[16:09] <Maaz> Kilos: No problem
[16:44] <Kilos> hiya  nlsthzn
[16:44] <Kilos> all good there in ahab land
[16:45] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos :) how are you?
[16:45] <nlsthzn> Oh everything here is good... slowly cooling down
[16:45] <Kilos> i fine ty
[16:45] <nlsthzn> and tonight is my last night shift, then one training day and  am on leave :d
[16:45] <Kilos> yay
[16:47] <nlsthzn> yay + 1
[16:47] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:47] <Kilos> ha ha, when you coming home
[16:49] <nlsthzn> we fly the 29th :)
[16:49] <nlsthzn> hit sa the 30th
[16:49] <nlsthzn> well land in sa I hope
[16:49] <Kilos> thats nice
[16:50] <Kilos> lol
[16:50] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:50] <Kilos> yeah our airports are still working
[16:50] <Kilos> no potholes in the runways
[16:51] <nlsthzn> that is good news :)
[16:51] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[16:51] <nlsthzn> then I just need to survive until back at home :)
[16:54] <Kilos> lol. just keep moving
[16:56] <nlsthzn> duck and weeve
[16:56] <nlsthzn> weave
[16:56] <Kilos> bob and weave yeah
[16:56] <Kilos> cassius clay stile
[16:58] <nlsthzn> Mohammed as he would be known over here ;)
[16:59] <Kilos> lol
[17:04] <Kilos> ill be back a bit later to see if there is any sign of life here nlsthzn
[17:05] <nlsthzn> k unlce Kilos ... see soon
[17:05] <Kilos> apart from you that is
[18:28] <Kilos> even one less now
[18:28] <Kilos> sigh