[00:15] <buddhajuke> Anyone using uzbl in lubuntu? I am trying to disable scrollbars but instructions call for gtk theming. That doesn't apply to lubuntu, correct?
[01:36] <NOOB> is anyone around
[01:36] <NOOB> I have a few quesdtions about ssh on linux
[01:36] <NOOB> they prolly seem silly
[01:36] <NOOB> But i am a recovering windows user
[01:37] <NOOB> and would like to learn the proper way to do a remore ssh session in linux
[01:37] <NOOB> remote
[01:47] <ianorlin> NOOB: are you talking about as a client and have a server ?
[01:47] <NOOB> yep i am ianorlin
[01:47] <ianorlin> or setting up the server say between your laptop and the desktop
[01:47] <ianorlin> is the server already ssh setup or anything
[01:47] <NOOB> i am sshing into a dedicated
[01:47] <NOOB> yes it is
[01:47] <NOOB> all works in putty
[01:47] <NOOB> but you see
[01:47] <NOOB> I have a handy cap
[01:48] <NOOB> I learned all this in windows
[01:48] <NOOB> so its all wrong for dingin linux
[01:48] <NOOB> doing*
[01:48] <ianorlin> ah so you will have hopefully have server setup to use keys
[01:48] <NOOB> i am understanding i can add my key to my linux box
[01:48] <ianorlin> then you need to use the ssh-keygen in a terminal can make you a key
[01:48] <NOOB> already have
[01:48] <ianorlin> yes that is what you need to do
[01:49] <NOOB> its already all working and has for some time in windows
[01:49] <ianorlin> that is really all there is too it
[01:49] <NOOB> and also all working in linux, kinda
[01:49] <NOOB> but
[01:49] <NOOB> I have putty working
[01:49] <ianorlin> what can't copy the file from your linux partition?
[01:49] <ianorlin> oh there are rules on the permissons for your key
[01:49] <NOOB> but i understand i can add the key to the ssh keyring
[01:49] <NOOB> noppe
[01:50] <NOOB> but also how do i get a remot file browser in linux
[01:50] <NOOB> and in windows there was pagent
[01:50] <ianorlin> pcmanfm the  defualt file manager can do this over gvfs  and sftp
[01:50] <ianorlin> and several others can
[01:50] <NOOB> ok, how do?
[01:51] <NOOB> and what is linux pagent tool
[01:51] <ianorlin> you need to add your key into the server
[01:51] <NOOB> ?
[01:51] <ianorlin> and then in the file manager open a new tab and type sftp://yourseverhere.me/
[01:51] <ianorlin> it will ask for your key and you have remote file browsing in the defualt file manager
[01:51] <NOOB> how add my keyfile to server?
[01:51] <ianorlin> which is awesome
[01:52] <ianorlin> copy it to the windows manchine and then transfer it
[01:52] <NOOB> wait
[01:52] <NOOB> nope i am not drunk
[01:53] <ianorlin> or upload to launchpad and then ssh in and run ssh-import-id in launchpad
[01:53] <ianorlin> but you need an ssh for that
[01:53] <NOOB> lol i think i see.  let me try this
[01:53] <ianorlin> having someone externally being able to upload keys like that is horrible for security
[01:53] <ianorlin> which works on windows
[01:53] <NOOB>  i have the key local on the machine
[01:54] <ianorlin> yes you need it on the machine you have access to put on your server
[01:54] <NOOB> um
[01:54] <NOOB> ok so i am in pcmanFM
[01:54] <NOOB> and i am connection to server
[01:55] <NOOB> what is path?
[01:55] <ianorlin> the path is the path to your server
[01:55] <NOOB> its an ip address
[01:55] <ianorlin> that works as well
[01:55] <NOOB> in the host spot
[01:56] <NOOB> ok so it id not ask for my key
[01:56] <NOOB> try 2
[01:56] <ianorlin> NOOB: did you add to keyring ?
[01:56] <NOOB> nope
[01:56] <NOOB> how do
[01:56] <ianorlin> it is probably asking to use the key putty uses under the hood
[01:57] <ianorlin> I only learned ssh after switching to linux
[01:57] <NOOB> i understand that it should have but it didnt
[01:57] <ianorlin> ok so did it offer to input a user password
[01:57] <NOOB> nope
[01:57] <NOOB> connection refused
[01:58] <NOOB> cause i think server no allow non key login
[01:59] <NOOB> ok so is "keyring" lie pagent on windows?
[01:59] <ianorlin> NOOB: The easy way to do this is to get the key on a machine you have access on
[01:59] <NOOB> like*
[01:59] <ianorlin> I don't know what pagent is on windows
[01:59] <NOOB> it is there
[01:59] <NOOB> i have the key fille right here
[01:59] <ianorlin> then on the windows machine transfer the file
[01:59] <NOOB> wait
[01:59] <NOOB> i already have putty working
[02:00] <NOOB> on the linux box
[02:00] <ianorlin> I don't use putty
[02:00] <NOOB> but putty lets me cheat by just telling it where the key file is
[02:00] <NOOB> so how do i add the keyfile to this linux client
[02:01] <NOOB> so i can remote file manage in filemanager
[02:01] <ianorlin> Making different keys for each machine is best practice unless say they were both desktop in your house
[02:01] <NOOB> I am on a linux laptop
[02:02] <NOOB> and i want to connect to my dedicated on the net
[02:02] <NOOB> it is already working in putty
[02:02] <NOOB> but that is not the proper linux way
[02:02] <NOOB> I need to add, i think, my key to the 'keyring' whatever that is
[02:03] <NOOB> so it will know when to use that keyfile when i try and connect to my dedicated
[02:03] <NOOB> does that make sense
[02:05] <ianorlin> if say you left your laptop somewhere you can remove the key having accesss to ssh and not make a crisis by ending up removing the putty key as well
[02:05] <NOOB> i dont understand that
[02:06] <NOOB> oh
[02:06] <NOOB> you are saying make a second key
[02:06] <NOOB> oh i see
[02:06] <NOOB> one key per maching
[02:06] <NOOB> ok that is great
[02:06] <NOOB> but the machine will be lubuntu soon
[02:06] <NOOB> and i wll add a new key for it
[02:06] <ianorlin> which machine
[02:07] <NOOB> i have a wndows laptop and a linux laptop
[02:07] <NOOB> putty works for both of them
[02:08] <NOOB> ok so let me stop and back up
[02:08] <ianorlin> you can install putty in lubuntu if you really wanted to I think
[02:08] <ianorlin> but you need to install it from net
[02:08] <NOOB> how do i add this ssh key to this laptop so that ssh stuff works connection to my dedicated
[02:08] <NOOB> connecting*
[02:08] <ianorlin> you need to transfer to a machine that has access
[02:09] <ianorlin> and then transfer the key over
[02:09] <ianorlin> I should say the public key
[02:09] <NOOB> i am saying i already have the ey local to that machine
[02:09] <NOOB> to this machine
[02:09] <ianorlin> you need it in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys if you are sshing into a user
[02:10] <NOOB> i have the key file here, it is just not installed
[02:10] <ianorlin> or add it to that with ssh-add
[02:10] <ianorlin> thanks for clarifying
[02:13] <NOOB> so i need to make a "authorized_keys" dir in .ssh ?
[02:17] <NOOB> ok so my key is in wrong format
[02:17] <NOOB> lol
[02:21] <NOOB> ok id added
[02:21] <NOOB> how use it now ianorlin
[02:24] <NOOB> lol so easy
[02:24] <NOOB> LOLOLOL
[02:25] <NOOB> ok so how do i get better permissions support
[02:26] <NOOB> so i san see the perms on the remote machine better
[02:39] <NOOB> thanks ianorlin
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, did anybody had a change to look at libsdl2 sync I did for xenial?
[11:19] <alstown> Hello, I have an issue with my wired Internet connection, I'm not using a router and I'm using DHCP so all settings should be automatic. I just built a new computer and installed Windows 8.1. The internet worked fine and I ran all my updates and installed all the latest drivers. Then I installed Lubuntu 15.10 alongside windows. After installing Lubuntu the Auto ethernet would not connect in Ubuntu. In Windows I tried reinstalling the drivers, disabling the car
[11:20] <alstown> Because I had this issue twice I ran ipconfig /all while the Internet worked in Windows, so I do have that output if it would help. I can also do it now while it's not working if that would help also
[11:22] <alstown> Sorry I accidentally dc'd if someone said something since I posted a few seconds ago
[11:22] <hateball> alstown: that's an issue with windows not releasing the lease when you shutdown
[11:23] <hateball> well it's more of an issue with how your ISP has their shit configured
[11:23] <alstown> okay
[11:23] <alstown> thanks, that's more of an answer than i've had so far :) at least i know, are there any workarounds?
[11:24] <hateball> alstown: you could try going in windows and doing "ipconfig /release" then boot linux and see if it plays nice
[11:24] <hateball> I am not sure networkmanager returns the lease by default either, so you might need to make something similar for going linux to windows
[11:24] <hateball> in the case of linux it is at least scriptable
[11:24] <hateball> anyhow, try it manually first
[11:27] <alstown> sorry, i'm a bit confused right now i'm on lubuntu and windows won't connect. so i would need to do the equivalent of "ipconfig /release" in linux? as a side note, i did try that while i could connect in windows and not ubuntu, but that did not help.
[11:30] <alstown> for ubuntu i would need to run "sudo dhclient -r"?
[11:30] <alstown> and then "sudo dhclient"?
[11:31] <alstown> i'll try brb
[11:43] <alstown> hateball: i ran "sudo dhclient -r" in ubuntu but could not connect in windows, would manually inputting the network settings i'm assigned while in ubuntu into the network settings in windows allow me to connect there? i don't use windows much. i mainly use vm's in ubuntu, but when i do use windows i need the internet, so a manual solution like that is alright for me.
[11:43] <alstown> by "there" i mean in windows
[11:46] <hateball> alstown: well the problem is how your ISP handles dhcp requests. a painless solution would be to get a router
[11:47] <hateball> alstown: I'm not sure it'd work entering static, but you can of course try. The lease is set to your MAC so it should work I suppose
[11:47] <hateball> alstown: but then you'd need to re-do it should the leased IP change
[11:48] <hateball> alstown: I also don't see why your Windows VMs couldnt use the internet
[11:49] <alstown> hateball: they could, i only use them through ubuntu for work, i don't use vm's  in windows. I just use it to play some games :) every once in awhile so a one-off solution should be alright since i don't need to do it that much.
[11:50] <hateball> alstown: There's many native games these days you know. Also there is Wine
[11:51] <hateball> anyhow, you wont break anything by trying static network settings
[11:52] <alstown> hateball: to be specific it's just league of legends and the graphics through wine are not very good. I think this will be the last time i drop $100 on windows though.
[11:52] <hateball> alstown: I see
[11:53] <hateball> I game exlusively on native games myself
[11:53] <hateball> Voting with the wallet and all that
[11:53] <alstown> hateball: yea, thanks for your help anyways. i don't know much about networking and i suspected it was my isp and the dhcp but wasn't sure. i'm glad for the confirmation though.
[11:53] <alstown> hateball: league is free! ;)
[11:53] <hateball> alstown: it's terribly annoying when they do stupid shit like that, or only offer one lease per network port per 24H or some such
[11:53] <hateball> if your network card dies or you switch computer or whatever....
[11:54] <hateball> So, I suggest you get a router :p
[11:54] <hateball> obviously you will have the same problem if the router dies... would need to spoof mac on your computer to be able to get internet
[11:55] <hateball> alstown: maybe communicating with your ISP could help as well, sometimes there are even competent people working in such places
[11:55] <alstown> hateball: i know, it is stupid lol, yea i think i'll have to. i really appreciate your help. right, well i haven't had to much issues with that and my lease is 8 hours. so not to bad
[11:55] <alstown> hateball: i'm in latvia and the language barrier is kind of a problem some times :)
[11:56] <hateball> alstown: I think we're doing just fine, no?
[11:56] <alstown> hateball: but i'm getting 100Mb/s for $15/month, well i'm not latvian and don't speak much latvian :p
[11:57] <hateball> oh!
[11:57] <hateball> :D
[11:59] <alstown> hateball: alright, well i'm going to try to do this manually and see if that'll work. ttyl!
[11:59] <hateball> alstown: good luck
[11:59] <alstown> hateball: thanks
[16:05] <Guest> hi
[16:06] <Guest> Someoen talk here to day ?
[16:09] <Guest> Can i install lubuntu witout internet and not doenloading the files ?
[16:09] <Guest> downloading
[16:10] <damascene> Guest, suer, get the live image. but many things depends on internet these days like updates and installing new softwares
[16:11] <Guest> Wifi dont working before i finnish the instalation.
[16:11] <Guest> Will lubuntu extras replace the missing files ?
[16:11] <Guest> Or where can i find them ?
[16:11] <wxl> you don't need internet with the live cd installation
[16:12] <Guest> I am using a usb memory.
[16:12] <Guest> it shud be the same i think.
[16:13] <wxl> yep, just use the live cd and you're good
[16:13] <Guest> When i installing it use to download some files. What files will missing when i dont use internet ?
[16:14] <wxl> Guest: updates. not necessary for the installation. when you get connected to the internet, they're easy to get with a regular update.
[16:15] <Guest> The updates dont contains flash player.
[16:16] <wxl> what is your reason for beliving that, Guest ?
[16:16] <wxl> flashplugin-installer/downloader is available from precise to xenial
[16:17] <Guest> I saw it when i check the details. no flash player. i am not sure the updates will replace all stuff.
[16:17] <Guest> Maybe some codecs i dont know.
[16:17] <wxl> Guest: if you don't have it installed, you can install it later when you have internet
[16:17] <wxl> !flash | guestr
[16:18] <Guest> Yes. but install what ? the updates is only the ordernary i beleve.
[16:18] <wxl> Guest: see above link
[16:18] <Guest> I am not interesting in the complicated terminal.
[16:19] <wxl> Guest: apparently you didn't read the instructions because that response is not applicable
[16:20] <Guest> I understand.
[16:20] <Guest> I ask in the first place about the extras.
[16:20] <Guest> Will it replace all the missing files it not download when installing ?
[16:20] <wxl> as you'll notice extras is only relevant to (a) firefox and (b) i386 version
[16:21] <Guest> You meen 32 bit.
[16:21] <wxl> Guest: you will get the version of ubuntu that existed at the time of release. when you are connected to the internet again and you update, you will get all the different updates that have happened since but you will not get any extra packages that aren't installed. that doesn't make sense
[16:21] <wxl> Guest: i386 = 32-bit
[16:22] <Guest> I dont know what more files or what ever it donloads when i install. Some propearity software, flash player.. but what more ?
[16:24] <wxl> Guest: flash is not installed by default
[16:24] <damascene> wxl, is it included with the default Linux mint?
[16:24] <Guest> Something will missing when i install without internet. I dont only talk about flash player.
[16:25] <wxl> Guest: generally the way people deal with the problem of missing codecs on ALL OPERATING SYSTEMS is they try to access a resource without the codec and it tells them they need it, so they get it
[16:25] <wxl> damascene: this is not mint
[16:25] <wxl> Guest: then when you have internet you'll have to work to get every single codec and browser extension that could possibly exist?
[16:26] <wxl> damascene: because of license restrictions on this program's distribution, Ubuntu cannot include Flash automatically. on the other hand, mint is a freedom-hater. :)
[16:27] <wxl> Guest: what i can tell you is that in terms of audio/video codecs, if you get vlc, it can play anything you throw at it.
[16:27] <damascene> wxl, sure but I think that will answer his question as he wants codecs and all the extra directly after setup. I'm not trying to advertise any thing here
[16:27] <wxl> Guest: silverlight, in general, does not work in linux. microsoft deprecated it but there are still people using it on the internet for some odd reason
[16:28] <wxl> damascene: yes but there's no list of codecs and extensions out there. his/your guess is as good as mine
[16:28] <Guest> What is Lubuntu downloading when installing with internet ? That is what i need to install after.
[16:28] <wxl> Guest: generally, updates.
[16:29] <Guest> You mean the updates fix all the missing files ?
[16:30] <wxl> Guest: let's say there is package a, b, and c. package a and b are installed by default. c is not. when you connect to the internet, it will update a and b. it will not install c. that makes no sense
[16:30] <wxl> Guest: what version do you have?
[16:31] <Guest> I dont ask for what make sense or not.
[16:31] <Guest> 14.04.3
[16:31] <Guest> I get some error messages.
[16:31] <Guest> Because i installed without internet.
[16:32] <Guest> But i think you tell me the updates fix everything.
[16:32] <damascene> Guest, what is your next choice if yo find out that you will still have missing files if you download Lubuntu?
[16:32] <wxl> well you didn't say that!
[16:32] <wxl> what are these error messages????
[16:33] <Guest> I install the updates very first.
[16:33] <Guest> And it also ask for some language downloads.
[16:34] <Guest> I dont remember the messages.  It was two when i start up. I think it is similar to the messages you get when you chnage to guest account. Maybe ignore them.
[16:35] <wxl> Guest: i don't think it's wise to assume your errors are unrelated
[16:35] <Guest> I think the same.
[16:36] <Guest> I beleve the updates and restricted extras will fix it all if i install without internet.
[16:36] <wxl> Guest: here's what you get installed http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/platform.trusty/desktop-common http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/platform.trusty/minimal http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds
[16:37] <Guest> As you try to tell me.
[16:37] <wxl> oops last one should be http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/lubuntu.trusty/desktop
[16:38] <Guest> It is to much to understand at the moment.
[16:42] <Guest> I dont understand all.. I just have to hope it will be ok without internet.
[16:43] <Guest> I dont understand why it will not connect when i installing.
[18:40] <jilocasin0> afternoon everyone
[18:42] <jilocasin0> quick question for anyone in the know....  Running lubuntu under 15.10 and have the 'panel' (large bar housing menus, taskbar, clock etc.) across the top of the screen.  If I'm not careful, I lose the title bar of my open windows _under_ the panel.  How do I make it so that I can't do that?
[19:08] <krytarik> jilocasin0: Is the option "Reserve space..." enabled in the panel's settings?
[19:11] <jilocasin0> krytarik: yes, Properties: Make window managers treat the panel as dock and Reserve space, and not covered by maximized windows but checked.
[19:11] <krytarik> jilocasin0: Multiple monitors perhaps?
[19:12] <jilocasin0> krytarik: yes, two, panel only acrosss main monitor.
[19:12] <krytarik> LP bug 1476791.
[19:13] <jilocasin0> it isn't even maximized windows.  Any window can have it's title slide up under the panel if you aren't very careful.
[19:13] <krytarik> Sure.
[19:13] <jilocasin0> grab a random window, move it to the top, scrunch your face as you can't get it back (the title bar is _under_ the panel). :(
[19:14] <jilocasin0> most desktops won't let you do that.
[19:14] <krytarik> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions#A_window.27s_top_title_bar_is_under_the_panel_so_I_can.27t_reach_it.2C_but_I_would_like_to_move.2Fclose.2Fminimize.2Fetc_the_window.
[19:32] <jilocasin0> krytarik: good to hear there's a way (ALT) to get it back, bad to hear that it happens at all.
[19:48] <jilocasin0> well thanks for everything
[19:48] <jilocasin0> byt now
[22:38] <NOOB> high.  how do i update VLC to 2.2.1 in lxle.  can i just add a ppa?
[22:39] <Unit193> NOOB: LXLE is a deriv of Lubuntu, it isn't Lubuntu.  You have to seek support from their support methods (forums, #lxle, or whatever else they have.)
[22:39] <Unit193> And, as far as VLC, yeah it isn't in backports so no supported way to get it in 14.04, just PPAs.


 https://matterbridge.thomas-ward.net/7c7bae58/file_157.jpg
 @rs2009 @fossfreedom : do you know why this happens? gdm3 and metacity is installed
 is it because ubiquity doesn't recognize cinnamon as a de? or do i need to install gnome-session or whatever for it to work
 bluesabre: you're running on XFCE, another Gtk but don't use gnome-session, what could be the problem here:
[06:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Jammy Final] has been updated<PHONE_NUMBER>)
 @ItzSwirlz you will have to use apt repents to work out what package is pulling in gdm3 and metacity.  If it is a recommendation you should be able to remove those packages as part of your scripted build.
[10:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Jammy Final] has been updated<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[11:47] <fossfreedom> apt rdepends .... damn phone autocorrect
 No daily ISO image builds today?
 It is the RC we are now testing - (re @bittin1: No daily ISO image builds today?)
 but no directory for today: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ here (re @Leokolb: It is the RC we are now testing -)
 fyi:  I always access iso.qa.ubuntu.com via daily (latest) & the tracker stores it correctly be it alpha/beta/RC/final
 thats still from yesterday 19th April however? but maybe not much new to test today one day before the release day
 the images are now only created when requested.. ie. DAILY can be produced many times per day (2nd of day wlll be date.1), once per day or as required.. the need to be manually kicked off once RC is reached (no longer automatic)
 As far as I know - no respins unless imperative (re @bittin1: thats still from yesterday 19th April however? but maybe not much new to test today one day before the release day)
 alright, thanks for the information :)
 Also good to test Live sessions - all apps etc (re @bittin1: alright, thanks for the information :))
 Hi, all. I'm trying to install ubuntu server 22.04, but I can't find amd64 image here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/22.04/beta/
 am I looking at the wrong place?
 https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/jammy-live-server-amd64.iso
 in case anyone wondered
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[05:16] <mapito> hi
[07:32] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:35] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:36] <knightwise> hey guys
[07:37] <JeffH> Hi - looking for a decent ubuntu laptop - any ideas would be great!
[07:37] <JeffH> or suggestions...
[07:39] <zmoylan-pi> do you want it shipped with ubuntu, dell do laptops with ubuntu, don't they?
[07:39] <zmoylan-pi> removes a lot of guesswork/research
[07:40] <knightwise> JeffH: i have the dell xps13, Its very decent
[07:40] <JeffH> I guess o - have found a company called Entroware which ships lappies with Ubuntu - would be good to hear from someone who has used them
[07:40] <JeffH> Dell XPS13 - from the Dell site?
[07:41] <knightwise> Correct but you have to be sure you have the developer edition ,
[07:41] <knightwise> comes with ubuntu
[07:41] <knightwise> or you can go with a thinkpad , they come with windows but ubuntu runs very well on them too
[07:41] <knightwise> JeffH: i did a review on it (podcast) http://knightwise.com/kw1006-reviewing-the-dell-xps-13/
[07:42] <JeffH> Nice! I'll take a look.. cheers all!
[07:43] <knightwise> no prob :) Good luck
[07:44]  * zmoylan-pi shares cut of dell money with knightwise :-P
[07:54] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: :) hahaha
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Escargot Day! 😃  🐌
[08:34] <knightwise> We'll have a a snail of a time!
[08:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's a reach but in a good cause https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViftZTfRSt8
[08:40] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'll give you that one. 😉
[08:40] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDkp7GysvbY this one is better the uploader didn't play with it :)
[08:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: I thought it was good one :)
[08:59] <foobarry> !lts
[08:59] <lubotu3`> LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Xenial (Xenial Xerus 16.04)
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:27] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:27] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[09:27] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[09:53] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise sorry miles away :)
[11:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: there is always this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B3TN2rEckQ
[11:56] <diddledan> the tron 2 soundtrack is epic
[11:57] <diddledan> could be the best bit of the movie
[12:04] <davmor2> diddledan: that's not fair there was that really nice bit at the end.......no no after that.......no no after that........no no you know right at the end where you see the scrolling names it was such a relief to see that :)
[12:04] <diddledan> lol
[12:11]  * zmoylan-pi has more than 1-2 movies on dvd that i got just for the soundtrack... ::glares at hackers::
[12:12] <knightwise> The tron soundtrack is amazing
[12:12] <knightwise> Hackers .. great soundtrack too
[12:12] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: hackers is so bad that it's awesome
[12:12] <knightwise> Listening to the audiobook of hackers at the moment
[12:12]  * zmoylan-pi looks at watch and sees it's almost time to hack the planet \o/
[12:13] <knightwise> Love that movie
[12:13] <knightwise> the guy who plays dade is the same guy who plays sherlock in "elementary"
[12:13] <diddledan> plus it's got Angelina's Jolies
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> flash gordon for it's superb queen sound track
[12:14] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: heck yeah
[12:14] <knightwise> Inception
[12:14] <knightwise> and 'the adjustment bureau'
[12:14] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: and a cool brian blessed cameoish performance
[12:14] <knightwise> angelina jolie was horrible with that bobcut in hackers
[12:14] <knightwise> she looked like a homesexual lesbian
[12:15] <diddledan> knightwise: can you get heterosexual lesbians? :-p
[12:16] <knightwise> good question
[12:17] <foobarry> she looked like a funny looking teenager in the way that many teenagers do
[12:17] <foobarry> they most spoddy and meh looking girls at school blossomed into beauties in their 20s
[12:18] <knightwise> true.
[12:18] <knightwise> http://www.stickyday.com/top-20-celebrities-as-teenagers-can-you-recognize-them/4/
[12:19] <knightwise> i rest my case
[12:30] <foobarry> you mean http://www.stickyday.com/top-20-celebrities-as-teenagers-can-you-recognize-them/1/
[12:31] <foobarry> hmm that jay-z picture looks like north london
[12:32] <foobarry> yes its london
[12:43] <foobarry> can an in-law vote by proxy?
[12:43] <foobarry> or just blood relation
[12:52] <SuperMatt> I think anyone can vote bu proxy
[12:52] <SuperMatt> http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how-do-i-vote/voting-by-proxy
[12:53] <SuperMatt> there's no stipulation there
[12:53] <foobarry> hmmm i usually do postal vote by default but looks like i have to fill in another form on this occasiona
[12:53] <SuperMatt> "You cannot be a proxy for more than two people at any one election or referendum, unless they are a close relative."
[12:53] <foobarry> nope, i do have a postal vote \o/
[12:53] <SuperMatt> so anyone can proxy anyone, but you can only be the proxy for more than 2 people if you're close relatives
[12:53] <foobarry> re-read that and it makes sense
[15:13] <davmor2> NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO   KATO is dead :'( RIP Burt Kwouk   man suck to be a celeb this year
[15:19] <foobarry> :( worst one yet
[15:32] <diplo> Didn't even know who he was :)
[15:37] <davmor2> diplo: you've never seen the pink panther
[15:38] <diplo> maybe a long time ago, not enough to remember him obviously :)
[15:40]  * davmor2 slowly shakes head at diplo
[15:42]  * Seeker` bans diplo until he has seen the pink panther again
[15:43] <davmor2> Seeker`: no need just tut and shake your head slowly he'll get the point ;)
[16:12] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:13] <diddledan> poor KATO: http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/total-recall-1990-kuato.jpg
[16:14] <diddledan> https://media.giphy.com/media/4YRVJZKtyzbyM/giphy.gif
[16:15] <davmor2> sebsebseb: hello
[16:16] <sebsebseb> davmor2: hi
[16:16] <popey> yo
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> not now you fool... :-(
[17:01]  * zmoylan-pi goes to add the pink panther movies to my media player...
[17:09] <sebsebseb> popey: ping
[17:10] <sebsebseb> who's here?
[17:12]  * popey is just popping out
[17:12] <popey> ttfn
[17:12] <Switches> cya popey
[17:12] <sebsebseb> popey: ok
[17:13] <sebsebseb> Switches: nice getting the first part of my Jolla tablet re fund soon it seems
[17:13] <Switches> :D
[17:13] <sebsebseb> however I am wondering how it's best to use that money once got it
[17:13] <sebsebseb> Switches: they will pay me back in dollars on Pay pal
[17:13] <Switches> Should be converted then?
[17:14] <sebsebseb> Switches: well I got Humble Bundles I want to buy for example
[17:14] <sebsebseb> and that's in dollars
[17:14] <sebsebseb> with pay pal currency doesn't really matter anyway
[17:14] <Switches> True
[17:14] <sebsebseb> Switches: however I can send the money from Pay pal into my bank account
[17:15] <sebsebseb> tried that earlier this month with something else
[17:15] <sebsebseb> first time
[17:15] <sebsebseb> then I guess it matters, how much the dollar is worth compared to the pound
[17:15] <Switches> Yeah, just takes a while to set up, or atleast used to. I have had my account set up for taking money from and paying to it for years
[17:21] <sebsebseb> Switches: it's just there now, you get credit
[17:22] <sebsebseb> Switches: credit in the sent currency,  or may even be asked if wanting it in pounds
[17:22] <sebsebseb> on Pay pal
[17:24] <Switches> Ohh cool
[17:45] <davmor2> sebsebseb: you gonna treat yourself to an m10 instead?
[17:46] <sebsebseb> davmor2: already got one, but it's the white HD
[17:46] <sebsebseb> davmor2: might get the black FHD at a much later time
[18:16] <diddledan> which do folk recommend for adblocking: adblock (getadblock.com) or adblock plus (adblockplus.org)?
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> ublock is what i use
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> ublock origin as there is a second not so good variant
[18:18] <diddledan> yeah, that's what I use in chrome
[18:18] <diddledan> this is for edge
[18:21] <davmor2> diddledan: just install a decent browser and done ;)
[18:21] <diddledan> well yeah
[18:21] <diddledan> there is that option
[18:21] <diddledan> but I'm somewhat masochistic :-p
[18:22] <davmor2> diddledan: oh in that case just use w3m
[18:22]  * zmoylan-pi hands out the sticks...
[18:22] <diddledan> dear god man! there's masochism and then there's THAT!
[18:23] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1mcsko/adblock_edge_vs_adblock_plus_is_adblock_edge_is/
[18:23] <davmor2> diddledan: yeah but you get no adds :P
[18:24] <davmor2> diddledan: use wget and read the html? I mean w3m is a doddle :P
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> lynx in green and black for maximum geekiness
[19:03] <foobarry> is the "best" adblocker the fastest, most privacy friendly, or more effective at blocking ads?
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's the one that hunts down the company that paid for the ads and hits them with a stick till they stop...
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> we'll have to wait for it till a standard for a keyboard that electrocutes idiots becomes common
[19:48] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: HID-Compliance standard - for making the user comply
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> i'd settle for making them suffer...
[20:11] <diddledan> crazy max's hairy highway is surprisingly tense
[20:36] <diddledan> what can I buy with about £9.30 from amazon?
[20:36] <penguin42> that's a very specific about
[20:37] <zmoylan-pi> gummi bears?
[20:37] <diddledan> well I got a 10£ voucher to spend and I was thinking of getting https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000LATMQW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3PUL0HK47UUUS
[20:37] <diddledan> which leaves £9.34
[20:40] <Myrtti> tried a recipe from the new Hairy Dieters book. Szechuan chicken stir fry or something like that, 10/10 would recommend. If you've got a pressure cooker and a slow cooker, it's got recipies for those too.
[20:54] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: nope doesn't sound intersting enough to me
[20:54] <Myrtti> fair enough. We've got all the Hairy Dieters books.
[20:55] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: maybe with quorn chicken peices it would a bit, but those aren;t that nice.  yes I went veggie :d
[20:55] <Myrtti> this promises to have recipes that take 30 minutes or less active cooking time, so it had immediate appeal
[20:56] <Myrtti> sebsebseb: they've got quite a few vegetarian recipies in there and replacement suggestions too, noticed one that called for either smoked bacon or smoked firm tofu
[20:56] <Myrtti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:56] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: yeah there's  alterantives for bacon and things like that
[20:56] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: even fish!
[20:56] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: I had vegan fish and chips at the weekend,  at a big event for vegans etc. and wow that really did taste like cod from what I remember
[20:57] <daftykins> yawn veggie :P
[20:58]  * sebsebseb thinks going vegan or mostly, would be easier if lived in a place that actsaully sold the kind of products that were there at the weekend, but no that isn't the case.  and I put mostly since vegan milk is well a bit uh really, I got a sweet tooth etc, milk shakes yum :)
[20:58] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yes veggie, not vegan though :D
[20:58] <sebsebseb> daftykins: if you ever tried any actsaul proper vegan products, well some taste awful at first, but I guess just need to get used to that more
[21:00] <sebsebseb> yawn daftykins :p
[21:00]  * daftykins continues nomming a Lamb curry
[21:01] <daftykins> hi Mr.Chatty
[21:01] <sebsebseb> Mr chatty me ?
[21:01] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Well you can have my animal-free chocolate sorbet recipie
[21:01] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yeah I got some like veggie fudges in a packet as well and rassbery something sweets to, not tried any of those yet though
[21:01] <sebsebseb> veggie I meant vegan
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> i give sherbert fountains to our vegetarian dm as they are animal free
[21:01] <sebsebseb> vegan wagon wheel altenratives two of them even, again not tried yet
[21:02] <penguin42> hmm
[21:02]  * sebsebseb would have come back with a load more vegan food I expect, if it hadn't been so pricy compared to well usaul food
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> wounded cabbages are hard to capture subdue...
[21:03] <penguin42> sebsebseb: http://www.treblig.org/daveG/chocsorbet.html   - the only thing you need to watch out for there is to make sure you get veg glycerin
[21:04] <sebsebseb> penguin42: what's glycerin ?
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> made from dead cows
[21:04]  * sebsebseb might do some baking tommorow actsually, but probably from a vegan cook book that bought at the weekend
[21:04] <penguin42> well from any fats actually
[21:04] <sebsebseb> yeah it's annoying there are hidden non veggie things to, gelatine etc
[21:04] <sebsebseb> rennet etc
[21:04] <penguin42> sebsebseb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol   you find it in a lot of things to keep them moist
[21:05] <penguin42> sebsebseb: You could try looking for kosher/halal stuff - they tend to avoid gelatine/renent
[21:06] <sebsebseb> penguin42: kosher is a shop I think?  halal is a term that comes up at times in things
[21:07] <sebsebseb> halala I keep on thinking what's that still, but only really done lilfe style change for about  two years now
[21:07] <penguin42> sebsebseb: No, Halal is food under Muslim food requirements, Kosher is the Jewish equivalent
[21:07] <penguin42> sebsebseb: But since they both have restrictions on what they can use from animals they tend to avoid gelatine and animal rennet
[21:07] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[21:10] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: events are fun aren't they?  go to geek ones, and yeah geeks all over h eh, ok done some of that,   now been to another type of event from anything I been to before and wow that was something to
[21:11] <sebsebseb> it can be lilke you go to anothehr world sort of, for a day or a few hours or so
[21:12] <Myrtti> sebsebseb: I've been to quite a few geek events, I think I've done my share of them for a while
[21:13] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: yeah I know you been to OGG Camp, but what else you been to?
[21:13] <Myrtti> Ubuntu release parties, conferences here and there
[21:13] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: I think a v egan event has certain similarites to a geek event actsually, going by the one I went to at the weekend
[21:15] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: even has the really ethical people :d but I didn't see any of the talks,  but signed up to some sort of trail to some sort of magazine that would be more left wing etc
[21:15] <Myrtti> mmmkay
[21:15] <sebsebseb> it was maybe a bit to big, I know I didn't get round to it all in the time I had each day, but what i get for getting there lateish on both days I guess
[21:19] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: daftykins penguin42 zmoylan-pi  ethics over software yeah? morals?  ok not to the Richard Stallman extreme, but enough yeah,  wanting to use free software usually by default? hence using Linux for years yeah?  answer that and then I'll move on to the second part :d
[21:19] <daftykins> don't highlight like that.
[21:20] <Myrtti> I don't understand the question
[21:20] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: why do you use Linux basically, and its done for ehics moral reasons?  or is it?
[21:21] <sebsebseb> but not to the totally extreame end like RIchard Stallman I Guess, won't use any non free software etc etc
[21:21] <Myrtti> I know it, I can tweak mine to be what I want it to be easier than I would other OS's, and ethical/philosophical reasons do play on it but it's mostly about practicality
[21:21] <sebsebseb> probably mixed in with a open source  usually just works better
[21:22] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: what kind of ethical moral reaons in your case?
[21:22] <daftykins> lol, what are you smoking if you think it works better XD
[21:22] <diddledan> da weed
[21:22] <sebsebseb> except for daftykins job maybe :d, he needs Windows!
[21:23] <sebsebseb> diddledan: no I have never actually smoked anything in my life
[21:23] <diddledan> I smoked a cigarette once. well a bit of one, anyway.
[21:23] <diddledan> am I cool now?
[21:23] <sebsebseb> diddledan:  h eh
[21:24] <sebsebseb> yeah I have second hand smoked stuff I guess though,  breahted whatever in uh
[21:24] <daftykins> i support all the things!
[21:24] <diddledan> daftykins: ALL the things!
[21:24] <sebsebseb> daftykins: you need to make money from the consumer, so well Windows :D
[21:24] <sebsebseb> the not so technicals
[21:24] <Myrtti> the usual tripe about open source and how it makes the world a better place, and evens out some of the injustices of the world. Handwaving, singing kumbaya by the campfire and feeling togetherness etc.
[21:24] <daftykins> what makes yu think putting in Linux for someone wouldn't make money?
[21:24]  * zmoylan-pi gives daftykins a copy of os/2
[21:25]  * diddledan sings kumbya
[21:25] <sebsebseb> daftykins: it would but less since it works better generally :d
[21:25] <daftykins> anyone running 16.04 would make someone a fair few quid right now ;D
[21:25] <diddledan> lol
[21:25] <daftykins> sebsebseb: i don't think that statement is based in any amount of reality
[21:26] <diddledan> RedHat seem to be making a small fortune
[21:26] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: I did this here a bit the other day I think with someone,  not you though :d.  but if can get ethical over software etc, why not eating animals :D ? or well not eating them I should say.  seems most people don't really care much about that. f or me when thinking stuff through it made more sense,  to care about that as well, more so than software actsaully, it's real, software is cyber
[21:27] <diddledan> I fail to see correlation
[21:27] <Myrtti> sebsebseb: I've got absolutely nothing against vegans and vegetarians. It's just not an option I can personally take right this moment or in the near future for personal reasons.
[21:29] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: yep indeed everyone is differnet,  I won't go vegan becasue of certian personal things that I like too much it seems, or been to used to being able to have for years now, uhmm yes milk shakes with real milk for a start, youghurts etc :).  why woudn't you go vegan or veggie ?
[21:29] <Myrtti> as I said, I've got personal reasons that I won't divulge on a public IRC channel or to people I don't know
[21:29] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: hmm ok
[21:30] <sebsebseb> but yeah some people can't eat this and that for example since health reasons
[21:30] <sebsebseb> ,but can eat  other things meat for example
[21:48] <sebsebseb> penguin42: hmm frozen desert link, just read through porperly, so you either eat it hot, or get it frozen in the freezer?
[21:53] <penguin42> sebsebseb: No, always freeze it
[21:54] <sebsebseb> penguin42: ok not making that tommorow :d
[21:54] <penguin42> sebsebseb: and I have an ice cream making machine that I do it in and then into the freezer (although I suspect it's not a good machine)
[21:55] <sebsebseb> yeah a home made ice creme machine could be fun :d
[21:55] <sebsebseb> and nice
[21:55]  * penguin42 has considered it, but I'm really not a mech person
[21:57] <sebsebseb> penguin42: a what person?
[21:57] <penguin42> mechanical
[21:58] <sebsebseb> penguin42: you said you had one though?
[21:58] <sebsebseb> ice cream maker
[21:58] <penguin42> yes, I bought it
[21:58]  * sebsebseb apparnatly some girls may even like a guy more, I mean a lot, if he gets all nicely into baking and cooking nice things :D
[21:59] <sebsebseb> t ech interests gneerally going to be a downpoint for most
[21:59] <sebsebseb> but what I just put could be a pluss he h
[21:59] <daftykins> definitely when they buy early tablets
[21:59] <daftykins> *whistle* ;)
[22:00] <penguin42> well, I can make sorbet and I can make an apple crumble - I'm sorted then?
[22:00] <sebsebseb> daftykins: 1st gen Ubuntu tablets :D ?
[22:00] <sebsebseb> daftykins: well Linux full stop, most just won't understand etc
[22:00] <sebsebseb> shame really
[22:02] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I remember having home made ice creame as a kid, at someone we were visitng, she made this lovely strawberry ice creame, tasted awesome
[22:02] <sebsebseb> oh so long ago now h eh
[22:23] <penguin42> so that explains that; my dad planted cat mint; completely spaced out cat on the lawn
[22:24] <daftykins> XD
[22:25] <penguin42> (Not that we have a cat of our own)
[22:27] <daftykins> next the neighbourhood with be rabbling!
[22:28] <daftykins> *will be
[22:28] <daftykins> oy i need my head examined, this is becoming too frequent :P
[22:43] <m0nkey_> oh dear. bad practice time. SLOG and L2ARC on the same device :)  (talking ZFS)
[22:44] <daftykins> o0
[22:55] <Switches> Hmm that was a good Linux Unplugged time for more coffee though
[22:56] <daftykins> you best plug it back in to charge it whilst you're gone ;D
[22:56] <Switches> lol
[22:57] <Switches> Well I like watching it, although there are a few bits in there I am really getting to dislike lol
[23:00] <penguin42> does anyone know of any large power outages today - there's a ~30min dip in the UK power usage of about 10% at about 3:30pm
[23:00] <daftykins> ah the exotic pronunciation of open source projects *facepalm*
[23:00] <Switches> Haven’t noticed anything here (Bristol)
[23:01] <penguin42> me neither (Manchester)
[23:01] <Switches> Plus if we get any surges here it normally trips the whole damn house >.<
[23:01] <penguin42> daftykins: Yes, the throat-wabbler-mangrove project?
[23:02] <daftykins> i fired up the latest ep of that Linux Unplugged Switches mentioned and heard MATE get mentioned, i find all those wonky pronunciations pretentious
[23:03] <Switches> lol
[23:03] <penguin42> oh Mate is odd, as are all it's replacements for gnome projects (they need different names to stop clashes - but they have some very odd ones)
[23:04] <daftykins> someone with some artistic skill should do a strip about attempting to pronounce a few, just as some FOSS ninjas leap out and very yawningly correct that person
[23:04] <Switches> Tbh the Ubuntu/Canonical bashing gets to me a bit. Everytime I hear that and them saying about NiH it makes me a bit mad, being as imo Redhat has more "NiH Syndrome" than any other Linux distro lol
[23:05] <daftykins> i'm not familiar with NiH?
[23:05] <Switches> Not Invented Here
[23:07] <Switches> It's something that a lot like to blame Canonical with, when all I see is Canonical trying to push barriers and overcome, yeah I don't always agree with them on stuff but at the same time I think Canonical are the only ones that offer users atleast an option.
[23:08] <Switches> But enough of my outlook on things :p time for some music lol


[08:27] <seb128> vorlon, can you badtest fpc/i386?
[08:29] <seb128> vorlon, doko, Saviq, mir/i386 autopkgtest fails on 'Depends: gcc:i386 but it is not going to be installed' ... is that depends wrong or is that an archive issue?
[13:45] <rbasak> Does "git ubuntu import-local" work for anyone currently (from the edge snap)? AFAICT, it's broken, so I'm struggling to not break it further when fixing an unrelated bug :-/
[13:45] <rbasak> If someone has a currently working use case for it, I'd like to know so as not to break it further.
[13:45] <rbasak> (it's a separate effort to fix and add tests for the broken bits of the CLI; I'm just trying to make some progress)
[14:06] <ahasenack> rbasak: has never worked for me (import-local)
[14:08] <rbasak> Thanks
[14:27] <seb128> vorlon, can you badtest upower/i386, it's failing because it tries to install python/gobject packages and that fails
[15:03] <gpiccoli> Hi rbasak and sil2100 , good morning/afternoon! Sorry to bother, I've updated LP #1847924 with the modified mdadm patch for SRU, I'd like to ask you to take a look if possible and...maybe sponsor it =))
[15:03] <gpiccoli> Thanks in advance!
[15:35] <rbalint> cpaelzer, how about forwarding this upstream? https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/+source/systemd/commit/?id=c05586d9da033bbfd6b6a74e10b87520843c7c48
[15:46] <cpaelzer> rbalint: did it work relialbly?
[15:46] <cpaelzer> back then we said we only want to suggest that if it works out to be helpful
[15:47] <cpaelzer> you look at those tests results more often I guess
[15:47] <cpaelzer> did this really help?
[15:47] <rbalint> cpaelzer, i think so, at least we carry this for some time so it is either harmless or working
[15:47] <rbalint> cpaelzer, i did not run tests without it :-)
[15:48] <cpaelzer> yeah, back then it was hitting ~50% or more
[15:48] <cpaelzer> I can submit it, but not today
[15:48] <cpaelzer> put it on my todo list
[15:48] <rbalint> thanks!
[16:11] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, hey, do you know what's the dela with virtualbox's autopkgtest in focal? it's blocking libnotify but from the log it's pretty consistently failing
[16:21] <juliank> If anyone sees the new python-apt 1.9.1 in experimental and thinks oooh sync time: please don't, it will regress security. thx!
[16:21]  * juliank will have a fixed one later today or (probably) tomorrow
[16:32] <seb128> juliank, hey, could you have a look to bug #1849773 at some point? If not I think I will just drop the patch in a next upload because I've no document to trigger the problem/work on it and the segfault is worth than the weird char issue
[16:32] <juliank> seb128: oh yes, thanks for the reminder
[16:33] <seb128> juliank, thanks for having a look to it :)
[16:36] <juliank> seb128: But FWIW, if you want a PDF that triggers the rendering issue, you should be able to take any PDF, and just run ocrmypdf on it to reproduce the issue
[16:39] <juliank> Oh, I noticed that it's not the current patch I sent upstream, that one should not have the crash https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/merge_requests/280
[16:40] <juliank> Because it does not look at the font name
[16:42] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, the 6.0.14-dfsg-4 should be good
[16:42] <LocutusOfBorg> but I don't know why it is not marked as such
[16:43] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... the kernel has bundled the very same version, so it doesn't get built
[16:44] <LocutusOfBorg> I suspect you can just add one hint
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, something to deal with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1848788
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> cascardo, ^^
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> I suspect we should make dkms fail less badly
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> or hint the test
[17:01] <vorlon> seb128: hi, so for any package whose tests are currently failing on i386 we *should* badtest them in order to not block other packages, the question is whether we should be badtesting only the current version or badtesting it permanently; so if you could be explicit about whether you're asking for a temporary override or a permanent one, that would help streamline
[17:02] <vorlon> seb128: mir/i386: test dep on gcc is probably wrong, as opposed to 'build-essential' which we handle.  That test should be fixed and made cross-build-friendly
[17:04] <vorlon> seb128: upower/i386 hinted (because you gave rationale :)
[17:26] <seb128> vorlon, thx :)
[17:27] <seb128> vorlon, I think http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/nghttp2/focal/i386 also goes down to want python and might be a candidate for badtest?
[17:27] <seb128> vorlon, unsure about http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libo/libomxil-bellagio/focal/i386 which is the other one blocking firefox
[17:30] <vorlon> ok looking
[17:30] <vorlon> seb128: meanwhile, if you happen to know why my latest gst-plugins-bad1.0 upload ftbfs on i386, I'm trying to get that landed to prune opencv, numpy, node, ... from the i386 set
[17:32] <vorlon> seb128: nghttp2 looks fixable to me, nghttp2-proxy could possibly depend on python3:any instead of python3; I'll add it under 'needs investigation'
[17:54] <vorlon> seb128: libomxil-bellagio: -doc packages being uninstallable is generally fixed by just marking those packages Multi-Arch: foreign
[18:00] <vorlon> Depends: [...] binutils, build-essential, [...]
[18:00] <vorlon> ok then
[18:41] <vorlon> seb128: had to dig into fpc a bit, but yeah, badtested now (I satisfied myself that a) the i386-specific packages are usable, and b) it's impossible to construct a correct test-dependency field for this package under the current autopkgtest implementation because its test deps conflict with build-essential :P)
[22:54] <wpk> Could I interest someone in  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1810154 ? Bug is diagnosed, patch is attached, it just needs to go into the release. It's effects are quite annoying...
[22:56] <sarnold> wpk: oooh, would that let you use zfs native encryption for eg / or /boot or similar?
[23:00] <wpk> sarnold: I'm using native ZFS encryption for /
[23:01] <sarnold> nice; I'm using LUKS underneath zfs for that, and ... it works, but it feels brittle
[23:01] <wpk> sarnold: there were two bugs - one in zfs-initramfs (fixed, fix released), that's the second one - it's still possible to use native ZFS encryption but because of this bug I get dropped to initramfs because plymouth can't ask for password
[23:04] <wpk> rpool/ROOT/ubuntu on / type zfs (rw,relatime,xattr,posixacl)
[23:04] <wpk> NAME   PROPERTY    VALUE        SOURCE
[23:04] <wpk> rpool  encryption  aes-256-gcm  -
[23:05] <wpk> I've been using it for over a month now, no problems at all with the stability. Installation is annoying, but that's a one time effort
[23:06] <wpk> sarnold: anyway, it'd be nice for this one to be fixed :)
[23:27] <sarnold> wpk: heh, yeah, what I've got now has *worked* for a few months, but it wasn't fun to install :)
[23:29] <sarnold> wpk: did this patch come from upstream plymouth dev? debian? some other distro?
[23:29] <sarnold> wpk: some links about where it came from might help
[23:38] <wpk> sarnold: I made it
[23:39] <sarnold> wpk: cool cool :) getting it into the upstream releases would probably make it more likely to be included in ubuntu
[23:41] <wpk> sarnold: IIRC it's an ubuntu-only bug - it comes from one of the patches
[23:42] <wpk> $ cat misc-changes.patch
[23:42] <wpk> Description: Undocumented changes
[23:42] <wpk>  This patch contains undocumented changes accumulated during previous
[23:42] <wpk>  versions of the Ubuntu plymouth package, that have not yet been split up
[23:42] <wpk>  into individually-documented patches.  Please try not to add further things
[23:42] <wpk>  to this patch.  Using quilt for new changes is recommended, but if you
[23:42] <wpk>  don't, they'll end up in a separate debian-changes patch at the end of the
[23:42] <wpk>  patch series.
[23:42] <wpk> Last-Update: 2011-01-21
[23:42] <wpk> riiiight....
[23:43] <sarnold> oh my
[23:43] <sarnold> that's some real spelunking there
[23:57] <cjwatson> Heh, I thought that looked familiar, apparently I wrote that
[23:57] <sarnold> :)
[23:57] <cjwatson> Since they were the bits I couldn't understand
[23:58] <cjwatson> (Don't ask me about them, partly for that very reason, and partly because it was nearly nine years ago and I remember nothing)