[02:10] <doctormon> akgraner: OpenShot is what I use too.
[06:23] <alourie> good morning
[07:17] <doctormon> Hey alourie
[07:24] <bkerensa> hi alourie!
[07:27] <alourie> doctormon, bkerensa hello :-)
[07:27] <doctormon> bkerensa: Got your email, I'll need references
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:03] <jono> hey dholbach
[08:03] <jussi> mr doctormon, Im willing to be a model for you if you like! :)
[08:03] <jussi> good morning jono.
[08:05] <jono> howdy jussi :-)
[08:05] <jono> hows things?
[08:05] <jussi> jono: crazy atm, but Im fine :)
[08:06] <jono> jussi, hang in there :-)
[08:12] <alourie> hey dholbach jono
[08:13] <jono> hey alourie
[08:13] <bkerensa> hi jono
[08:14] <dholbach> hey jono, alourie, bkerensa, Gwaihir, jussi, dpm
[08:14] <jono> hey dholbach
[08:14] <Gwaihir> hey dholbach
[08:15] <dpm> hi all
[08:15]  * alourie hugs such a warm channel and all the people in it :-)
[08:15] <bkerensa> hi dholbach
[08:16] <dholbach> that was quite a good start for our first UCADay
[08:17] <dholbach> Ahmed Shams' idea was just brilliant
[08:17] <bkerensa> dholbach: Yeah ashams idea was good for community
[08:17] <jono> hey bkerensa
[08:18] <dholbach> and he's super active all over the place: always been in the Egyptian LoCo, now I saw on the LoCo Directory that there's a Palestinian team - guess who set it up? :)
[08:22] <alourie> I wonder how would appreciation graph look like...interlinking between all the people who said thank you...
[08:22] <alourie> that would be interesting :-)
[12:25] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:40]  * jussi notes: http://jussi01.com/2011/11/21/ircc-andbaby-stuff/
[12:42] <cprofitt> hey jussi
[12:42] <jussi> hi
[12:42] <cprofitt> thanks for all the things you have done for us...
[12:43] <cprofitt> as a parent myself, it is likely a wise choice... its good to reduce the possible sources of stress
[12:43] <cprofitt> I did the same with a bunch of things in my local life -- as I perpare for the stage of life where I cart my kids around to their activities
[12:44] <cprofitt> I like the style of your site -- nice and subtle, but elegant
[13:42] <nigelb> Hey everyone
[13:45] <nigelb> ejat: Finally back home :)
[13:45] <nigelb> I wish I could hang out more. Before the year is up, I intend to come back for an actual social visit and *see* KL :)
[13:46] <jussi> heya nigelb. isnt it late there? should you not be in bed?
[13:52] <nigelb> jussi: I got back to India.
[13:53] <nigelb> Also, its only 10:00 pm in KL. We went to bed at 4 am last night :P
[14:54] <ejat> hi nigelb .. c00l .. just buz me back
[14:54] <ejat> when u want to come back here again ..
[14:54] <nigelb> :)
[14:54] <ejat> im also plan to go to india oneday
[14:54] <nigelb> I can actually get on a plane anytime.
[14:54] <nigelb> I just realized that :P
[14:54] <ejat> woooo
[15:13] <cjohnston> dpm: where you unable to figure out who the person is with that work item assigned that i showed you last week?
[15:16] <dpm> cjohnston, I did figure it out, just got sidetracked. Just fixed it now, thanks for the reminder
[15:16] <cjohnston> ty
[15:17] <cjohnston> my inbox will thank you
[15:21] <dpm> :)
[15:22] <jussi> cjohnston: have you got a hold of jpds yet?
[15:23] <cjohnston> no.. i pinged him
[15:23] <cjohnston> thanks for telling me again
[15:23] <cjohnston> not sure why i cant ever remember that
[15:24] <jussi> no probs. if in doubt, check the bots page on the wiki :)
[15:30] <cjohnston> seems like the last time i looked at it, the only instructions were for the logbot
[15:59] <jcastro> hey dpm
[15:59] <dpm> hey
[15:59] <jcastro> do you have the creative brief for developer.ubuntu.com handy?
[15:59] <jcastro> the one they made you write before work started?
[16:02] <dpm> jcastro, I have the link, but I ended up not completing it. The original idea of the next iteration of d.u.c as discussed at uds-o changed quite a bit from the original plan, so we did a new plan having already talked to the design team and starting off with creating a schedule with the main milestones
[16:02] <jcastro> yeah mostly I just need to steal the format
[16:03] <jcastro> like they say "background" in one section, I don't get what that means, etc.
[16:03] <jcastro> mostly I need it as an example more than if it is what you actually did or not
[16:05] <dpm> jcastro, unfortunately I cannot help on this one, as I ended up not doing it. johnoxton or ellen should be able to help with that I think.
[16:05]  * jcastro nods
[16:05] <jcastro> I think mine is mostly done
[16:05] <scott-work> good morning everyone :)
[16:06] <cprofitt> morning scott-work
[16:06] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, I'd just double-check it with ellen, as she'll be able to tell you exactly what they're expecting
[16:06] <jcastro> k
[16:07] <scott-work> hi cprofitt , how are you doing today, sir?
[16:07] <cprofitt> I am doing fairly well today
[16:08] <cprofitt> and you sir?
[16:11] <scott-work> a little sick but slogging through it today at work (but longing about doing ubuntu studio work)
[16:12]  * scott-work keeps getting distracted because he has a plan, a BIG plan, and really wants to get everything done
[16:13] <cprofitt> I can understand that
[16:45] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:47] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:49] <cprofitt> hey jono
[16:49] <jono> hey cprofitt
[16:59] <dpm> ok everyone, calling it a day for today, see you all tomorrow!
[17:00] <cjohnston> mornin jono .. any chance you have time today for a chat?
[17:08] <jono> cjohnston, sure, lets get something in the cal
[17:08] <jono> cjohnston, what time works for you?
[17:08] <cjohnston> anytime in the next 4.5 hours today works for me
[17:10] <jono> cjohnston, 1.30pm your time work?
[17:10] <cjohnston> sure.. 1 hour 2 minutes from now
[17:10] <cjohnston> 1 hour 20 minutes
[17:15] <jono> cjohnston, yuo
[17:15] <jono> yup
[17:15] <cjohnston> sounds good to me
[17:15] <jono> thanks cjohnston!
[17:16] <cjohnston> thank you
[17:20] <dholbach> jono, 10m?
[17:21] <jcastro> <----- lunching
[17:23] <jono> dholbach, yup
[17:31] <jono> dholbach, firing up the hangout
[17:32] <dholbach> excellent
[18:02] <jono> cjohnston, want to chat now?
[18:07] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you all tomorrow
[18:07] <dholbach> HUGS
[18:08] <cprofitt> later dholbach
[18:08] <dholbach> bye :)
[18:20] <jussi> cprofitt: thanks for your kind words this morning
[18:21] <cprofitt> jussi: you are welcome
[18:21] <cjohnston> jono: im good now
[18:21] <jono> cjohnston, msg me your number
[18:21] <jono> or we can do skype?
[18:21] <cjohnston> skype works
[18:21] <cprofitt> being a father is a magical thing... but it takes up a lot of free time :-)
[18:21] <jono> cool
[18:22] <jussi> :)
[18:22] <jono> cjohnston, what is your skype ID?
[18:23] <cjohnston> ffemtcj
[18:24] <cjohnston> cprofitt: #ubuntu-website please?
[18:32] <jcastro> jono: ~30 minutes?
[18:32] <jono> jcastro, yup
[18:32] <jono> want to start early?
[18:33] <jcastro> give me 5 to get the spreadsheet ready?
[18:33] <jono> np
[18:35] <jcastro> jono: ok all set, G+ that baby
[18:35] <jcastro> before my Def Leppard kicks in
[18:35] <jcastro> love is like a bom
[18:35] <jono> jcastro, two mins
[18:36]  * jcastro nods
[18:36] <jcastro> I'll start the hangout, just pop in whenevs.
[18:45] <jono> jcastro, sorry about that
[18:45] <jono> got stuck in a meeting
[18:49] <czajkowski> what a day
[18:54] <cprofitt> czajkowski: preparing to go home?
[18:55] <czajkowski> nope at home
[18:55] <czajkowski> waiting on dinner to cook while I read my own mail and stuff I didnt get a chance to read today so I can prepare for tomorrow
[18:55] <czajkowski> :/
[18:55] <cprofitt> nice... I was going to say 7pm is a bit late to stay at work...
[18:55] <cprofitt> though I have had some of those days
[18:55] <czajkowski> I don't think I've ever been as miserable in a job as I am right now
[18:56] <cprofitt> czajkowski: I feel you there
[18:56] <czajkowski> possibly when I worked for Oasis. where we were inspected before we went on the shop floor for hair and make up
[18:56] <cprofitt> gah... that does not sound nice
[18:57] <czajkowski> cprofitt: pretty standard my sister used to work for Beneton same thing, then she was manager for another clothing line before she went onto law, she had to check peoples grooming and clothing to make sure they were wearing the up to date line
[19:01] <bkerensa> It could be worse :P I have to pull together a event for 25 Debian/Ubuntu Developers by Dec 1st (Venue, Catering, Etc)
[19:02] <pleia2> not sure how that's worse than lousy work conditions
[19:02] <cprofitt> my job is not terrible...
[19:02] <cprofitt> but this is a quote from my boss
[19:02] <cprofitt> I need something I can rely on. If an open source based system breaks, who's going to fix it?
[19:02]  * cprofitt facepalms
[19:03] <cprofitt> I have good hours and get to see my family... with three children that is important to me
[19:03] <cprofitt> bkerensa: that is, ah... coming up fast
[19:03] <cprofitt> pleia2: I agree.
[19:04] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Yeah and I have to go see a surgeon today and likely be in surgery before my trip to California for the holidays =/
[19:04] <cprofitt> czajkowski: I hope things improve for you... it's frustrating working in a job you dislike
[19:04] <cprofitt> bkerensa: sorry to hear that...
[19:04] <cprofitt> I may need surgery too, but nothing major
[19:04] <cprofitt> just elbows that have issues.
[19:05] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Exploratory surgery =/
[19:08] <bkerensa> cprofitt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arteriovenous_malformation
[19:10] <cprofitt> much more than my elbows
[19:10] <cprofitt> best of luck with that bkerensa
[19:10] <bkerensa> Fingers crossed ;) hoping for a good patch from upstream
[19:11] <cprofitt> I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers
[19:14] <bkerensa> thanks
[19:36] <jcastro> hey cjohnston
[19:36] <jcastro> do I talk to you about resetting my line on status.ubuntu.com?
[19:36] <cjohnston> nope
[19:36] <cjohnston> you don't get it resedt
[19:37] <cjohnston> :-P
[19:37] <cjohnston> reset either
[19:37] <cjohnston> jcastro: on Friday we are resetting everything
[19:37] <jcastro> oh ok
[19:37] <jcastro> perfect
[19:37] <cjohnston> we have decided to give up to feature freeze (actually the day after) and then start it all from scratch
[19:39] <cprofitt> wow... just found out that Matt Zimmerman is a graduate of RIT
[20:01] <jcastro> daker: around?
[20:05] <doctormon> jussi: Send me an email with some pics or link to facebook etc.
[20:05] <jussi> doctormon: are you on g+?
[20:07] <jussi> doctormon: I friended you good sir!
[20:09] <cprofitt> doctormon: I plan on sending you some too...
[20:58] <doctormon> jussi: That's great, I'm pretty slow responding to g+ friend notifiers since I get so many.
[21:08] <doctormon> nv
[21:08] <doctormon> nv
[21:09] <maco> you respond to those?
[21:09] <maco> i just stare at them going "who are all you people?!"
[21:10] <doctormon> maco: Who are all which people?
[21:11] <doctormon> jussi: You need more photos, 1 group photo and 1 low res profile picture found.
[21:11] <maco> doctormon: the 20 people a day adding me on g+
[21:11] <doctormon> maco: Oh I don't respond to them, I just delay my eyes passing over them.
[21:20] <jono> Pendulum, ping?
[21:25] <alourie> doctormon: you can respond to me, can you? :-)
[21:26] <doctormon> alourie: I might have missed you, hang on.
[21:26] <alourie> sure
[21:53] <doctormon> alourie: You're in my circles.
[22:29] <jcastro> <-- EOD
[22:52] <Pendulum> jono: hiya
[22:52] <jono> Pendulum, hey
[22:52] <jono> does the a11y team have it's plans all set for the 12.04 cycle?
[22:54] <Pendulum> jono: yes
[22:54] <jono> Pendulum, is this documented anywhere - is it mainly the blueprint?
[22:56] <Pendulum> should all be on blueprints at the moment
[22:56] <Pendulum> (there are 3 that are general Ubuntu a11y and one that's Kubuntu)
[23:18] <jono> Pendulum, can I ask a small favor?
[23:19] <jono> could you email me a summary of the work you are going to do in the 12.04 cycle with links to the BPs?
[23:19] <jono> I would like to blog about it and raise some awareness
[23:20] <Pendulum> jono: We're about to have dinner, but I'll send you an e-mail later tonight, if that's okay?
[23:20] <jono> Pendulum, perfect, thanks!


[08:27] <tjaalton> bryce: I'll be there before the input-hótplug session starts ;)
[08:29] <tjaalton> F9 has a small patch for the server to disable keyboard-hotplug completely
[08:33] <tjaalton> oh, and they actually have an fdi file for wacom as well
[08:33] <tjaalton> so it might actually work
[08:34] <pwnguin> ooh
[08:34] <tjaalton> same goes to synaptics, but I bet there are those who still want to fiddle with the touchpad options
[08:35] <pwnguin> that wallstreet journal review guy mentioned synaptics as lacking in 7.10
[08:35] <tjaalton> hmm, I wonder if only adding the fdi file would make wacom work right OOTB
[08:35] <tjaalton> pwnguin: link?
[08:36] <pwnguin> did nobody else see this?
[08:36] <pwnguin> http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118963540721725614-FnJzx_wcNlkRFOef4cgq74PBW3g_20080912.html
[08:38] <tjaalton> ah
[08:39] <tjaalton> so some devices are too sensitive with default settings. but SHMConfig will never be turned on ;)
[08:39] <tjaalton> input properties is the way to go
[08:39] <pwnguin> i wish i could remember the review where they complained that their midis didnt play
[08:39] <tjaalton> hardly an xorg issue ;)
[08:40] <pwnguin> of course, but still hilarious
[08:40] <tjaalton> right
[08:40] <tjaalton> I've only got one midi file, and that's the opening theme of Monkey Island :P
[08:40] <pwnguin> interestingly, 8.,04 seems to have picked up support for .mod files. i just found a CD-R from ten years ago with a few of those and some windows emulators on it
[08:40] <pwnguin> played just fine in totem
[08:41] <tjaalton> yep, blame gstreamer
[08:41] <tjaalton> hum, breakfast and then to corinthia ->
[08:41] <pwnguin> nearly bedtime here
[08:42] <tjaalton> west coast?
[08:42] <pwnguin> central
[08:42] <pwnguin> its 2am
[08:43] <tjaalton> hah
[08:43] <tjaalton> well, pretty normal I guess ;)
[08:43] <pwnguin> i used to stay up till 5am. silly austrialians at that point on IRC
[08:45] <tjaalton> heh
[08:45] <tjaalton> oh god my jeans smell bad.. damn smokers at the bars
[08:46] <tjaalton> but gotta run while they still server breakfast! ->
[08:46] <tjaalton> uh, -r
[08:46] <pwnguin> go!
[10:00] <tjaalton> bryce_: where are you at?
[10:01] <tjaalton> ok, see you already :)
[11:00] <bryce_> tjaalton: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging
[11:03] <tjaalton> bryce_: thanks, reading..
[17:23] <tjaalton> tseliot: so, do you have someting ready for split nvidia*?
[17:30] <tjaalton> disco..
[17:30] <tjaalton> the theme of the year
[20:07] <tseliot> tjaalton: are you there?
[20:14] <Ng> does the kernel modesetting stuff that's in development mean that switching to vt1 won't be necessary on suspend?
[22:29] <tjaalton> tseliot: back
[23:32] <jcristau> hrm. why do i get mail from xorg-edgers ppa?
[23:32] <jcristau> looks like someone's trying to build xorg-server 2:1.4.1~git20080507-1 there
[23:37] <jcristau> tormod: ^^


[07:14] <vitimiti> Hello. I'm testing Unity 8 on the desktop, but it appears that the Apps scope is missing and it's not in the available scopes, either. Is there a way for me to recover it?
[22:40] <jarlath> I've been following the tutorial by mhall119 for installing Unity8 on 16.04. I get a black screen on login with an EGL error in the logs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16581290/
[22:40] <jarlath> Is there a workaround for this? I have an AMD mobile GPU with Gallium 0.4 on RV620


[09:14] <apw> cluk what is broken about it?  was it mising the asm directory, that was an issue triggered by a bad find upload
[12:17] <apw> smb, you have a thinkpad with hardy, can you check if the thinkpad/thinkvantage key produces an X keysym.  using xev you should see that key produce XF86Launch1
[12:25] <apw> all, today is one of our regular kernel bug days ... come play with our fun bugs, free erm karma to those who help :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay/20090512
[13:19] <smb> Just returned
[13:19] <smb> apw, the key does not produce events by default
[13:20] <smb> apw, The problem, iirc, is that the acpi events arrive but are mapped to a keyboard key that is normally not existent (with fakekey) So the keyboard driver ignores is
[13:20] <smb> it
[13:42] <apw> smb, ok so that is officially still broken in hardy
[13:43] <smb> apw, Yeah, and it actually was some deliberate change from upstream to ignore non-existent keys. This is where fakekey has its limit and the drivers in general should use input-events
[13:43] <smb> But thats probably a too big change for hardy
[13:43] <apw> yeah ... fair enough ...
[15:07] <andresmujica> morning
[15:07] <andresmujica> we need a topic update..
[15:26] <apw> smb, on this thinkpad, does the command 'setkeycodes e073 148' sort out your thinkpad key thing?  so its seen in Xev ?
[15:27] <smb> apw, confirmed
[15:27] <apw> smb so we have a work around for hardy and intrepid
[15:28] <apw> no point in updating those two to fix something we have a simple work around for imo
[15:29] <smb> apw, Yeah, as it is long ago I am not sure I remember correctly, there had been some notes that this keycode you set might be in use by another key. But in general, yes
[15:29] <apw> when you say its visible, is it visible carrying the XF86Launch1 key symbol?
[15:30] <apw> smb, ^^
[15:32] <smb> Hm, don't see it:
[15:32] <smb> KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x4800001,
[15:32] <smb>     root 0x88, subw 0x0, time 25518768, (110,79), root:(1400,134),
[15:32] <smb>     state 0x0, keycode 159 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
[15:32] <smb>     XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[15:32] <smb>     XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[15:32] <smb>     XFilterEvent returns: False
[15:34] <apw> smb, what does 'xmodmap -pk | grep Launch1' say
[15:34] <smb> ""
[15:35] <apw> hrm
[15:48]  * apw notes that the current rate he will finish his 20 bug day bugs by about 2 am
[15:48] <apw> how are other people doing?
[15:50] <smb> apw, similar
[15:51]  * apw has reached 6 after 8 hours ... not good
[15:51] <apw> ok 7 hours
[17:44]  * apw actually gets to the bottom of his list of bugs
[17:44]  * apw pokes a couple of community ones for 'fun'
[17:57] <smb_tp> apw, Hrmpf, how did you do that?
[18:00] <apw> smb_tp, once you get to the Incompletes if they have been asked for feedback like a year ago by leann i felt happy closing them asking for a reopen if it stille xisted
[18:01] <apw> and most of my incompletes were like that
[18:01] <apw> the highs near killed me
[18:01] <smb_tp> maybe I should jump to the incompletes and get back to the highs later...
[18:59] <devel0> hi , i have a small problem related to initrd and I was hpoing someone could shed some light
[19:00] <devel0> Im looking to change the usplash theme but I cant exactly do an update initramfs -d becauyse I have separated ubuntu because im doing a pxe boot
[19:00] <devel0> when I say separated
[19:00] <devel0> I mean one part is vmlinuz and initrd , the other part is a squashfs file downloaded via http
[19:01] <devel0> when I simply replace the .so file , ubuntu moans at boot up that it cant find a usplash theme
[19:01] <devel0> that will work with my resol
[19:01] <devel0> however with the default .so file , it doesnt complain
[19:01] <devel0> I changed the file , repacked initrd with cpio and gzip , but still im missing something to make it all work
[19:01] <devel0> any ideas someone ?
[19:02] <devel0> please ? :O
[19:03] <sladen> names
[19:04] <devel0> filenames you mean ?
[19:04] <sladen> devel0: the /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so symlink is used to select which .so to pack into the initramfs cpoio
[19:04] <devel0> I was aware of that but why cant i just have the default usplash-artwork.so in /usr/lib/usplash/ ?
[19:06] <sladen> I'm stil not completely following the problem, can you try explaining it in a different way (what's "resol") ?
[19:07] <sladen> btw, for future reference, usplash doesn't have anything to do with the kernel.  It runs entirely in userspace
[19:07] <devel0> yeah i know , i just thought that maybe since this is a boot issue I could get a helping hand from you guys
[19:08] <devel0> basically I have initrd.gz outside the distro and i use pxe to boot it with vmlinuz (ubuntu's kernel), then I have a squashfs file which contains the root filesystem
[19:08] <devel0> I cant do an update-initramfs on my initrd.gz file , I can only pack it again with cpio and gzip
[19:08] <devel0> or maybe I can via the live boot
[19:08] <devel0> hmmm
[19:08] <devel0> brb
[19:08] <devel0> :D
[19:46] <layer8> hi there
[19:47] <layer8> can someone help me with a self compiled kernel? i have an error like "sata link down" during boot
[19:48] <devel0> sladen
[19:48] <devel0> I cant get round it
[19:48] <devel0> I was wondering if you could help
[19:48] <devel0> is there someone that can explain what integration the usplash .so file has with the initrd archive ?
[19:48] <devel0> beyond the fact that it sits inside it
[19:56] <layer8> hello?
[19:57] <layer8> noone here, who can help me?
[20:09] <sladen> devel0: no integration, other than getting copied in there by /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/usplash
[20:09] <sladen> devel0: initramfs is flexible enough that the same initramfs should do you for PXE and non-PXE boot IIRC.
[20:10] <devel0> im boggled as to why it complains only by replacing the .so
[20:10] <sladen> devel0: best place to ask would be the LTSP / Edubuntu people
[20:10] <devel0> when i replace the .so file , i get a failed to init screen init thingy
[20:10] <devel0> oh
[20:10] <sladen> devel0: where did you get this new .so from?
[20:12] <devel0> i tried many
[20:12] <devel0> i tried kubuntus for example
[20:12] <devel0> edubuntus , and a few others
[20:12] <devel0> even custom ones from the net
[20:12] <devel0> i dont get it , seriously im puzzled , i just went through the script in the initramfs tools that is used to copy usplash
[20:12] <devel0> I do the same thing but manually
[20:12] <devel0> this is crazy :)
[20:16] <sladen> remember that the theme is a loadable executable file. Is it built to the same version as the usplash itself.
[20:16] <sladen> this is why my query about "where did you get it"
[20:16] <sladen> exactly how did you install this other usplash theme?
[20:16] <devel0> omg does the so file have to match the libusplash.so ver ?
[20:17] <sladen> did you compile it yourself.  Does it work with the test script
[20:17] <sladen> devel0: uh huh.
[20:17] <devel0> brb :)
[20:17] <devel0> is there a way to know what ver was used to build an so ?
[20:18] <sladen> dpkg -l | grep usplash
[20:19] <sladen> and  apt-cache show usplash-theme-ubuntu  says that it depends (it's compiled for)   usplash (>= 0.5.30)
[20:19] <devel0> im trying something i didnt before
[20:19] <devel0> the simplest of things
[20:19] <devel0> making the so executable
[20:19] <devel0> hoping it might work
[20:20] <devel0> im not too sure the usplash version makes much of a difference
[20:21] <devel0> ok making the file exec didnt work
[20:21] <devel0> leme sync the versions
[20:21] <sladen> *blinks*
[20:22] <sladen> devel0: put simply if usplash and the library (theme) it is dlopening are not speaking the same language (the same ABI) then it's not going to work
[20:23] <sladen> devel0: just  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-artwork-usplash   if you want something else
[20:27] <devel0> just recompiled an .so
[20:27] <devel0> worked like a charm
[20:27] <devel0> :)
[20:27] <devel0> How can I thank you ?
[20:28]  * devel0 dances
[22:38] <vertix> anybody knows about boot sequence in a mixed IDE/SCSI situation at the point where root filesystem is loaded?
[22:38] <vertix> mounted that was
[22:39] <vertix> at least it is not insane as on #ubuntu
[22:39] <vertix> but looks quiet like in a grave
[22:39] <vertix> anybody alive here?
[22:39] <vertix> maaaaan, linux is a trip, i tellya
[22:40] <vertix> oki doki
[22:50] <devel0> yeah i know what you mean
[22:50] <devel0> when you say "linux is a trip"
[22:50] <devel0> :D
[22:50] <devel0> sorry I cant help


[12:01] <sivang> night!
[07:35] <enrico> Hello!
[07:35] <enrico> plovs: are you at the keyboard?
[11:01] <ChrisH> enrico: Hey... I have three complaints in the #ubuntu-doc report? ;)
[11:03] <enrico> Three?
[11:05] <ChrisH> enrico: baz, moin, my hard disk :)
[11:05] <ChrisH> enrico: I better watch what I say for I will read it later on the list. ;)
[11:05] <enrico> Oh, come on, your HD was not a complaint :)
[11:06] <ChrisH> enrico: You should have heard me swear at my PC last night. :)
[11:06] <enrico> ChrisH: read ubuntu-doc in a minute and see me swear...
[11:18] <ChrisH> enrico: Ah... Enrico "Backspace" Zini :)
[11:20] <enrico> ChrisH: grrr... so grrr...
[11:21] <ChrisH> enrico: The ubuntu live CD rescues me last night btw. :)
[11:21] <enrico> Oh, so!  Are you up and running again now?
[11:21] <ChrisH> enrico: After Partition Magic and gpart failed to restore my partition table that was crashed by either Windows or grub (no idea what it was) I just booted the live CD and... presto... I could read and backup my old partitions.
[11:22] <enrico> oh
[11:22] <ChrisH> enrico: But cfdisk, sfdisk and fdisk all fail to read the partition table. No idea how it did it.
[11:22] <enrico> It seems like a bit too powerful, but cool!
[11:22] <ChrisH> enrico: I'll just dd of=/dev/hda the disk later and reinstall everything. Home directory is in NFS, data is in NIS... should be easy going.
[11:22] <ChrisH> enrico: Knoppix could have been good, too, but it didn't like my NIC.
[11:23] <ChrisH> enrico: So this is a *good* story you may post on the list. :)
[11:24] <enrico> :)  I'll do it tomorrow
[11:24] <enrico> I mean, in tomorrow's edition
[11:24] <enrico> Now, it's time to go downstairs and make sushi!
[11:24] <ChrisH> Hand crafted? Nice.
[11:25] <enrico> sure!
[01:36] <sivang> hey folks
[01:36] <sivang> what's cooking?
[01:36] <sivang> :)
[01:53] <ChrisH> sivang: Nothing. Sushi is eaten cold. :)
[02:01] <ChrisH> I could well skip x-mas. Can't hear the "but this year we will not spend money on presents" sentence. Same lie as every year. :(
[02:09] <ChrisH> sivang: What do you wish for?
[02:15] <ChrisH> sivang: Do you celebrate x-mas that much in il?
[02:24] <sivang> ChrisH: no :) I just wish for a present :) a new laptop? :)
[08:36] <froud> potting around the ubuntu web site. where can is co src's for docs
[08:37] <froud> svn cvs?
[08:39] <froud> anyone tuned
[08:52] <sivang> that was strange
[08:54] <sivang> hey froud , what were you looking for?
[08:55] <froud> I'm looking for a svn or cvs to checkout docbook srcs
[08:55] <froud> loads in the wiki, I see this, but what's in the source
[08:55] <sivang> eh
[08:55] <sivang> just a sec, I'll give you the svn info
[08:56] <froud> perhaps I'm just confused
[08:57] <sivang> no you're right :)
[08:57] <sivang> we have many stuff on the wiki,
[08:57] <froud> yes was reading
[08:57] <sivang> but there is 1 big handbook, 1 faq, 1 quickbook
[08:57] <sivang> in the svn,
[08:57] <froud> but now I am looking for Docbook sources to checkout
[08:58] <sivang> the problem is that it's admin is currently on vacation :(
[08:58] <sivang> but we're working to fix this up - please talk to enrico when he's online here,
[08:58] <sivang> he has mirroed the archive
[08:58] <sivang> plus
[08:58] <froud> So no information on the website to where and what about svn
[08:58] <sivang> this is the info, see if you can checkout sometime when the server comes back again.
[08:59] <sivang> Path: .
[08:59] <sivang> URL: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/faq
[08:59] <sivang> Repository UUID: 1e033ed4-87e8-0310-8703-d68c7bbd86c9
[08:59] <sivang> Revision: 94
[08:59] <sivang> Node Kind: directory
[08:59] <sivang> Schedule: normal
[08:59] <sivang> Last Changed Author: plovs
[08:59] <sivang> Last Changed Rev: 94
[08:59] <sivang> Last Changed Date: 2004-12-23 00:37:12 +0200 (Thu, 23 Dec 2004)
[08:59] <sivang> svn co http://<IP_ADDRESS>/faq
[08:59] <sivang> should do it, when it's up.
[08:59] <sivang> (it's currently down from here)
[09:00] <froud> ok wheres the info on creating and submitting patches
[09:01] <froud> I want to start in the source by reading and will edit as I go.
[09:01] <froud> Nothing major at first
[09:01] <froud> Learn your system and then move up
[09:02] <sivang> when you'll manage to checkout, just go over the sources.
[09:03] <sivang> when you have a patch, you can send it on the mailing list and people would review it and patch it.  You know that.
[09:04] <sivang> Christams taffic?
[09:04] <sivang> yes
[09:04] <ChrisH> sivang: Now the main server (torf=firewall) started to beep a few hours ago. I didn't understand why.
[09:04] <sivang> oh god.
[09:05] <ChrisH> sivang: After a reboot the BIOS told me the CPU would be 95 hot
[09:05] <sivang> eh!!!!!!!!!11
[09:05] <ChrisH> sivang: CPU fan stopped working.
[09:05] <sivang> is he ok?  Phew
[09:06] <ChrisH> sivang: My own PC... where I could hardly restore anything.
[09:06] <sivang> yes I heared about the crash,
[09:07] <sivang> well I had something like that 6 months ago -
[09:07] <ChrisH> sivang: I need to switch it off again in a few minutes to close the case and put it back into the 19" rack.
[09:07] <sivang> eventually I had to buy a new machine.
[09:07] <ChrisH> sivang: The disk crash wouldn't be too bad either because most things are on the file server (torf) and backed up daily.
[09:07] <ChrisH> sivang: Just that I was working no a giant video project about Marco and needed to put the 50 GB of data on my PC. And all of a sudden that partition with the video data on it disappeared.
[09:07] <sivang> ChrisH: sure, I am not concenred about torf's uptime - just want it to live :)
[09:08] <ChrisH> sivang: 3 of 4 PC are broken at the moment!
[09:08] <ChrisH> sivang: You could try if email works again. I'm just checking everything. And if http://workaround.org works.
[09:08] <sivang> ChrisH: maybe it's a bad luck day? You should take some time off and come back after christmas, like everbody else.
[09:08] <sivang> I'll check that now.
[09:08] <ChrisH> sivang: I'll surely not do much for Ubuntu in the next two days anyway. :)
[09:08] <ChrisH> sivang: thanks
[09:09] <ChrisH> GAH!
[09:09] <ChrisH> It's so depressing I can hardly suppress a smile. :)
[09:10] <sivang> speaking of crashed machine, I wonder what goes with the SVN server..erghghh
[09:10] <sivang> people want to help, and all I can tell them - post the patch to the mailing list
[09:10] <sivang> :)
[09:11] <ChrisH> The SVN server is really driving people nuts and away. But if we had moved it back to my server it would have been broken now, too. :)
[09:11] <sivang> true
[09:11] <ChrisH> Let's wait until after x-mas and have the svn repo moved to canonical asap
[09:11] <sivang> yes!
[09:11] <sivang> _ASAP_
[09:11] <ChrisH> The -doc team seems to be built on the same indian graveyard as my 19" rack
[09:12] <ChrisH> Hardly anything is going as expected atm.
[09:12] <ChrisH> bbiab... rebooting again.
[09:13] <froud> sivang, seems like this may take some time. perhaps you have a working copy of HEAD and can export a pritine copy
[09:13] <froud> I will start with that and merge into my wc when I can do a co
[09:14] <froud> if you put it on the net i'll wget
[09:16] <sivang> hmm, I am just fraid you'll work on stuff which already or will be simul. worked on through the repo, then it would be a pain patching it..
[09:17] <sivang> but I can put it there even for you to give a glance
[09:17] <sivang> :)
[09:17] <froud> ill do svn up before I merge
[09:17] <sivang> ok.
[09:18] <sivang> Have to get some food
[09:19] <froud> ok I have to go myself. send mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with the uri
[09:19] <froud> I'll check for svn in the morning
[09:26] <cenerentola> ciao
[09:38] <plovs> hi guys
[09:53] <sivang> hey plovs
[09:53] <sivang> do you know what goes with the svn server?
[09:58] <plovs> nothing, it is being depressed, then it does nothing
[09:58] <sivang> ah ok
[09:58] <plovs> i suppose John has a bas isp, and since he is on vacation, he doesn't notice, so doesn't yell at anyone
[09:58] <plovs> bad isp
[09:58] <sivang> I see.
[09:59] <sivang> Well, we should get it into canonical server farm ASAP
[09:59] <plovs> agreed
[09:59] <plovs> at least my doc goes ahead
[09:59] <plovs> what are you doing atm?
[10:00] <sivang> what doc of yors?
[10:01] <sivang> working on gst,setting the israeli ubuntu web server (zope), and hopefully when svn is up writing some stuff in my section of the handbook
[10:01] <plovs> also zope? why?
[10:02] <sivang> I want a content management system.
[10:02] <sivang> :)
[10:02] <sivang> for the main website, and I am going to set up a wiki for the live stuff.
[10:04] <plovs> where is the server located, at home with you?
[10:05] <sivang> not, smurifx is kindly providing webspace for country teams.
[10:06] <plovs> nice, on debian?
[10:06] <sivang> no idea
[10:06] <sivang> I think on ubuntu servers.
[10:06] <plovs> i doubt ubuntu servers run ubuntu :-)
[10:07] <sivang> well, they do :)
[10:07] <plovs> your kidding!
[10:07] <sivang> ubuntu is _really_ suited to be a server machine, and all of the canonical servers - run warty
[10:07] <sivang> I am _not_ kidding.
[10:07] <plovs> wow
[10:07] <sivang> why are you surprised?
[10:07] <plovs> i only use debian
[10:08] <plovs> ubuntu is so desktopish
[10:08] <plovs> but obviously i;m wrong
[10:08] <sivang> Well, I'm not sure how suited it is for low end servers like my debian router, but if you have two G5 servers :)
[10:08] <sivang> there are 2 G5 Apple servers in the canonical computer farm :)
[10:09] <plovs> i only have intel servers, but g5's would be great :-)
[10:10] <plovs> off course ubuntu _is_ debian
[10:10] <plovs> and debian rocks
[10:11] <plovs> i am thinking about putting debian on my work laptop G4
[10:11] <plovs> ubuntu i mean
[10:14] <plovs> sivang: what are you doing on gst?
[10:14] <sivang> plovs: extending the users profile mechanism to allow for templates of users to be added to the system, enabling a set of different default groups per each
[10:18] <plovs> nice
[10:18] <plovs> in python?
[10:21] <cenerentola> what is gst?
[10:21] <cenerentola> i know you'll hate me for this...
[10:22] <cenerentola> but hey presto... a G5 it's a masterpiece of Sylicon Art... how can you avoid Mac OS X?
[10:22] <cenerentola> how would you exploit all its registries?
[10:23] <cenerentola> this thing make me blue.. but there's no Linux Distribution hand-crafted for ppc
[10:23] <cenerentola> plovs: you should try SPARC
[10:24] <cenerentola> im actually looking for ppl to help fabbione [and me]  porting ubuntu on SPARC architecture..
[10:25] <cenerentola> then the last step is ARM/MIPS... RISC POWER:
[10:25] <cenerentola> .
[10:25] <plovs> cenerentola: try OSX for a while, and you'll know why you want to install linux on it
[10:26] <sivang> plovs: perl / gtk / C
[10:26] <plovs> and yeah, i would like to have a sparc, but they are # bit to $$ for me :-(
[10:26] <sivang> cenerentola: I think they have||working-on a special kenrel for the inhouse kernel to use it to maximum.
[10:27] <sivang> *im house server.
[10:27] <sivang> ergh!
[10:27] <sivang> in house servers.
[10:27] <cenerentola> in house?
[10:27] <plovs> :-)
[10:27] <sivang> in house server of the firm.
[10:27] <plovs> in the house and outside on the street?
[10:27] <plovs> :-)
[10:28] <plovs> sorry
[10:28] <cenerentola> sivang: i cant get you.
[10:28] <cenerentola> plovs: you own a g5 and you say that sparc are too expensive?
[10:28] <plovs> cenerentola: in house is an idiom for in the company
[10:28] <sivang> cenerentola: I think canonical has someone working||finished-working on a spcial kernel that will run the G5s
[10:28] <cenerentola> sivang what kind of university do you attend?
[10:28] <cenerentola> sivang: yep but all the rest.. is not optimized
[10:28] <sivang> cenerentola: it's not me hehe :) I just use thier wonderful library and broadband from time to time
[10:29] <plovs> cenerentola: i have a G4, and it is not _mine_ it belongs to my work
[10:29] <sivang> cenerentola: www.technion.ac.il
[10:29] <cenerentola> sivang: yep what course?
[10:29] <sivang> check it out, you might want to do your Ph.D here :)
[10:29] <cenerentola> plovs: right.
[10:29] <plovs> sivang: it is not only canonical, several people are working on the G5 kernel, i read it somewhere, google knows
[10:30] <sivang> cenerentola: plovs said it even better than me :)
[10:30] <sivang> WRT the G5 specialized kernels.
[10:30] <sivang> I myself have a personal problem with such closed hardware, I think intel can and will supress them in some point of time.
[10:30] <plovs> sigh, that would be nice to use
[10:30] <sivang> plus I really like intel's approach for open hardware.
[10:31] <plovs> sivang: actually it is not closer then intel, more open actually
[10:31] <sivang> I may get a pegasus PC , when I have a couple of pounds to through.
[10:31] <plovs> the powerpc chip at least is well documented
[10:31] <cenerentola> sivang: intel is not open..
[10:31] <sivang> plovs: it is? so how come I can't go and buy ASUS's G4 for half the price? :)
[10:31] <cenerentola> sivang: intel's are the worst thing, i mean hw, on this heart.
[10:32] <plovs> sivang: because the market is too small
[10:32] <sivang> intel is not open? so explain to me how come the first platform linux ever powered was i386 ? :)
[10:32] <sivang> plovs: only 6 months ago I heared from IBM that they are planning to lease it out for other companies as well, still nothing conceret.
[10:32] <plovs> actually several companies make powerpc, and it is a very nice platform, it runs slower, so less heat
[10:33] <plovs> ibm, motorola
[10:33] <sivang> plovs: gemme some names :)
[10:33] <sivang> other then pegasus
[10:33] <sivang> :)
[10:33] <cenerentola> sivang: have you ever heard of RISC architectures?
[10:33] <plovs> intel is not open, why do you think we have all those horrible bioses on intel and not on powerpc?
[10:34] <sivang> plovs: this is because forms like dell and gateway hack their own bioses, and intel can't possibly be hold responsible for they b0rked code :)
[10:35] <sivang> Linux works perfectly with a standrad AMI/Phoenix bioses, as per my experiance though.
[10:35] <cenerentola> sivang: please +ignore your thoughts please ;)
[10:35] <sivang> cenerentola: hey andrea, I'm not that hooked on it, I just like cheap things :))
[10:35] <sivang> actually, I admire RISC archs, they are MUCH superios
[10:35] <sivang> superior.
[10:35] <sivang> but, they cost...:(
[10:36] <cenerentola> ok buy a playstation
[10:36] <cenerentola> its MIPS
[10:36] <sivang> hehehe
[10:36] <plovs> powerpc is used in: tivo, amiga, the new xbox (!)
[10:36] <sivang> M$ laied hands on the POWER arch! nononono!
[10:36] <sivang> :)
[10:36] <plovs> see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC
[10:37] <plovs> powerpc is really cool, but intel is very powerfull, and with chips, the more you sell, the cheaper they get
[10:37] <cenerentola> plovs: well dont worry they, intel, wont go over 3 ghz..
[10:37] <cenerentola> only because... they can't
[10:37] <plovs> sivang: those bioses are crap, really bad
[10:38] <plovs> openfirmware is faster, smaller and more configurable, especially for clusters and stuff
[10:38] <sivang> plovs: it depends what you want, if you need fast floating point cruncher, well, intel can get to 4GHz and still POWER will win :0
[10:38] <sivang> :)
[10:38] <plovs> why do you think people are trying to make openfirmware for intel?
[10:39] <sivang> plovs: do you have anything I can read about intel "closed" approach to hardware?
[10:39] <plovs> google centrino
[10:40] <plovs> for example
[10:41] <plovs> off course i386 itself is pretty open
[10:42] <plovs> but still, intel is still a real american company
[10:42] <plovs> but i386 is still the cheapest overall line of processors
[10:45] <plovs> sivang: a very nice article: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3997
[10:46] <cenerentola> plovs: i386 its not pretty open..
[10:46] <sivang> cenerentola: pleae elaborate.
[10:47] <cenerentola> sivang: just send an email to alessandro rubini [the one who wrote "linux device drivers"]  saying that you support x86
[10:47] <sivang> and ?
[10:47] <sivang> :)
[10:48] <cenerentola> ...feel the pain
[10:49] <plovs> cenerentola: all the specs of most i386 processors are known afaik
[10:50] <plovs> sivang: powerpc processor are just better, but better does not alway win
[10:50] <cenerentola> yep but that's not
[10:50] <cenerentola> OPEN ARCHITECTURE
[10:50] <cenerentola> plovs: powerpc are better.. but with linux you dont exploit them all
[10:51] <plovs> cenerentola: why do you think that OSX runs better on powerpc then linux? the OSX kernel is open, it can not have any secrets
[10:52] <plovs> darwin is bsd licensed, linux can just copy and paste if they would like to
[10:53] <cenerentola> plovs: you are right... but programs for mac os x are written for that very architecture..
[10:53] <cenerentola> optimized for it..
[10:53] <cenerentola> you can't always have optimization and portability at the same time
[10:54] <plovs> cenerentola: the only problem with the G5 is the hardware apple added to it, some is really closed like the airport cards etc, but the powerpc is not the problem afaik
[10:55] <cenerentola> what i mean is that if you dont use mac os x..
[10:55] <cenerentola> you are not going to use at best every sylicon cell of the processor..
[10:55] <plovs> linux outperforms freebsd, the last time i checked ed ergo, it outperforms osx, especially in the long run
[10:56] <plovs> the kernel is what counts
[10:56] <plovs> the freebsd kernel is slower then the linux kernel
[10:56] <plovs> not that i would notice it, it is not as if freebsd is like windows 95 or something
[10:57] <cenerentola> plovs: no that's not..
[10:57] <plovs> ibm actively promotes linux on powerpc, rs6000 etc, many big ibm machines are powerpc
[10:58] <cenerentola> freebsdk can be slower than linux.. but what does matter with code optimization..
[10:58] <cenerentola> is like writing in assembly or c++
[10:59] <cenerentola> IBM ignored the who personal computer concept then they saw Apple computers moving in to a new market. IBM decided they need a piece of that pie but Apple had such a lead that there was no way to design an purely IBM product bring competition to Apple. In an effort to keep the architecture from being open IBM kept BIOS top secret and very proprietary. The rest of the PC was just off the shelf componets bought from various vendors. Like Intel for ex
[10:59] <cenerentola> btw
[11:00] <cenerentola> plovs, sivang , everybody: Buon Natale.
[11:00] <plovs> cenerentola: agreed, ibm gave apple a compiler for the G5 (64-bit stuff?) that will make OSX fast, it is a better compiler then gcc
[11:01] <plovs> a good idea, sivang, cenerentola good night, all, good night!
[11:03] <cenerentola> ciao plovs
[11:03] <cenerentola> good night
[11:03] <cenerentola> ciao sivang ciao everybuddy
[11:04] <cenerentola> peace


[04:11] <ScottL> ailo, i'm hoping to test the -generic and -lowlatency kernels tomorrow morning before anyone wakes up
[04:11] <ScottL> ailo, any suggestions on what you would like to see?
[04:11] <ailo> ScottL, You mean 2.6.39?
[04:11] <ScottL> ailo, any specifics you might want?
[04:11] <ScottL> yes for the -lowlatency 2.6.39
[04:12] <ScottL> i don't even know if 2.6.39 -generic is available at this point
[04:12] <ailo> They were built wrong, so they are actually -generic kernels
[04:12] <ScottL> oh, okay, maybe not then
[04:12] <ailo> ScottL, They are a little unstable too. I get some crashes with them, so it might be a good idea to wait a little
[04:13] <ScottL> i'll wait, i'll spend the time playing with the ubuntustudio plymouth theme and see if i can suss out why it isn't working (at least for me)
[04:14] <ScottL> ailo, someone filed a bug about -controls not building for natty, i kinda laughed a little when i read that
[04:15] <ailo> ScottL, The original -controls?
[04:15] <ScottL> i'll respond to the bug report to say that -controls are no longer in the natty seeds and report the state of -controls
[04:15] <ScottL> ailo, i expect the original -controls
[04:16] <ScottL> bug 756080
[04:16] <ScottL> i might just change the importance at this point so nobody gets worried about something that isn't even going on the image for natty
[04:17] <ScottL> maybe this is because of the new gcc, maybe not, just thinking about all the trouble falktx has been having
[04:17] <ailo> ScottL, I can take that bug, if you don't mind, since I'm already doing two others on that
[04:20] <ScottL> ailo, oh sure :)
[04:20] <ScottL> ailo, if you can't change the importance just let me know
[04:22] <ailo> ScottL, That I can't. But, I did change it to invalid, and made a comment
[04:24] <ailo> Though, perhaps invalid is not right, after all?
[04:59] <ScottL> i'm not really sure myself
[05:02] <ailo> ScottL, I will take another look later. At least I will have to explain why it shouldn't be built for Natty.
[05:02] <ailo> Unless, one is changing the source
[05:03] <ailo> And, what is that they are building? It's python, so he must only be trying to build the package
[05:08] <ailo> ScottL, I deem it invalid, because he is trying to build a package for Natty that won't be included in Natty.
[05:46] <Kokito> hello  folks
[05:54] <ailo> Hey Kokito
[06:03] <Kokito> hey ailo
[06:03] <ailo> sup?
[06:09] <Kokito> not much ailo
[06:10] <Kokito> relaxing after having a good plate of spinach ravioli for dinner
[06:11]  * ailo had some waffles before with coffee, while working on some puredata code
[06:15] <Kokito> ailo: am I right to assume that you are somewhere in Europe?
[06:17] <ailo> Kokito, Gothenburg, Sweden
[06:17] <ailo> Kokito, Kokito sounds Japanese
[06:18] <Kokito> ah, cool. I am in northern California, about 100km east of San Francisco
[06:18] <Kokito> ailo: Kokito is the diminutive of Koki, which was my nickname when I was a child :)
[06:19] <Kokito> although I am kind of half-Japanese, not ethnically, but in spirity, because I lived there for about 23 years :)
[06:20] <ailo> Kokito, Wow. Then you must be. I find there is some resemblance between my country men and Japanese people. I'm really a Finn, but grew up in Sweden.
[06:21] <ailo> No samurais in Finland, though
[06:22] <Kokito> hehe :)
[06:23] <Kokito> I did hear something to the effect that finns and Japanese have some commonalities, but I am not sure what they are
[06:25] <ailo> Kokito, The language is somewhat similar. But, not directly. Also, there are some cultural peculiarities that show in statistics. Higher suicide rate amongst other things
[06:26] <ailo> The language may be related, but the trail goes back really far. Turkish and Japanese are probably related, and Finno-Ugric is probably related to Turkish
[06:27] <ailo> The grammatics is what makes them similar
[06:30] <Kokito> interesting
[06:31] <Kokito> that would make it easy for me to learn the Finnish language then :)
[06:33] <ailo> Kokito, I would think so. They are phonetically similar too. I saw a Japanese comedy show where they would call up Finnish people using a phone book, laughing at their last names, cause they meant something funny in Japanese
[06:34] <ailo> Kokito, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeCOzpYXrKE
[06:35]  * Kokito is watching
[06:35] <Kokito> ailo: it is funny
[14:13] <ScottL> ailo, gnome3 "superkey and start typing app name" way of opening a file has good things and bad things
[14:13] <ScottL> to start firefox was quick :)
[14:13] <ScottL> to start terminal was not :(
[14:14] <ScottL> for firefox i hit "super" "fire" and pushed the enter key...viola, firefox was up   ->  nice :)
[14:14] <ScottL> for terminal i hit "super" "terminal" and pushed enter....booo, i got terminal services ->   argh :(
[14:15] <ailo> I was able to use the word terminal, and it's searching at the same time I type, on Unity. I can then use the arrows to choose the terminal
[14:15] <ScottL> i tried "super" "terminal" tab key, then enter (thinking it might jump over to terminal from terminal services...didn't work
[14:15] <ScottL> ah, didn't try the arrow key, i can do that after it installs the studio packages
[14:15] <ailo> The lauchers appear under the search field for me
[14:16] <ailo> But, I would want those functions to be even smarte
[14:16] <ailo> smarter*
[14:16] <ScottL> it does under gnome3, just in the small panel on the left instead of the main screen
[14:16] <ailo> Also, I realized that I need to choose a category, before apps that weren't installed appear as search results.
[14:16] <ScottL> if i'm going to the trouble to take my hand of the mouse i want to make sure i can complete my task without putting it back on the mouse :/
[14:17] <ailo> I feel I can do that, but not with perfect smoothness
[14:17] <ScottL> i'm still leaning towards the thought that having a small set of definable icons that the use can change their visibility based on a "category" that only requires one click (perhaps two at most) to launch an applicaiton is better, faster, easier
[14:18] <ailo> I don't feel one needs to exclude the other, but I don't know what quick-launcher-bars will work under these systems
[14:19] <ailo> wbar didn't seem to work under Unity
[14:19] <ScottL> i'm also worried that the gnome3 that i'm using is a generation or so behind the gnome3 that was released this week
[14:20] <ScottL> therefore, to make an accurate test of gnome3 i might have to wait until it is released properly for natty
[14:21] <ailo> Waiting for Alpha 1 is a long wait. One would want to try on the system before that, but then it won't probably be very stable.
[14:23] <ScottL> but i would hope it's feature set would be more complete, even if unstable
[14:24] <ScottL> i just realized that i did not just try to search for gnome3 packages in synaptic while under natty, i kept trying "tutorials" on the web that suggested various PPA's
[14:24] <ScottL> i might find gnome3 just under synaptic in natty now :P
[14:25] <ailo> ScottL, Since Gnome3 will include the classic desktop, that is also an option for Oneiric
[14:25] <ailo> At least, I think it will include it
[14:29] <ScottL> that's a good question, it's unfortunate that shuttleworth and the "inner circle" aren't very vocal about what their direction is :/
[14:30] <ScottL> i suppose it is possible that they don't have a definitive directions and are waiting to see how things "develop" (sorry for the pun)
[14:31] <ailo> ScottL, I'm sure they need some user experience
[14:32] <ScottL> i don't know, i'm starting to read some criticism of canonical not including community in decisions from quarters that have been, unto now, quite biased towards ubuntu/canonical
[14:33] <ScottL> i don't want to be misunderstood, i believe wayland is a good move ultimately, x is old and retains crap loads of legacy code
[14:34] <ScottL> but i don't like being blindsided by some of the decisions, especially when we are trying to develop an officially recognized flavour of ubuntu
[14:34] <ailo> It's like they are being a little bold, and making waved. I hope this will lead to faster progress. After all, the changes seem to be pretty big
[14:34] <ailo> waves*
[14:35] <ScottL> right
[14:35] <ScottL> but my point is that if they are making long term decisions, it would be nice to be involved slightly, even if just a courtesy email as a "head up"
[14:36] <ScottL> i realize we are such a niche flavour, we don't get mentioned much in magazines unless it's a special about ubuntu studio, i routinely see the rote "ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, mythbuntu" tag
[14:37] <ScottL> but i also wonder how much consideration the other flavours received in the decision making process, i'm presuming not much
[14:37] <ScottL> which i understand for kubuntu and xubuntu for the most part, they use different DE's
[14:38] <ailo> Yeah, don't think KDE is affected in any way.
[14:38] <ailo> And perhaps not XFCE either
[14:40] <ScottL> if we could get the documentation in order and really, really organized and effective
[14:40] <ScottL> if we could update the website so that it is suave and new and compelling
[14:41] <ScottL> if we could blitz the media with emails, blogs, maybe even interviews (and i mean even emailing published magazines)
[14:41] <ScottL> even sending emails to linux outlaws, canonical or jono
[14:41] <ScottL> i think we could step up respect for ubuntu studio
[14:41] <ScottL> get more people involved and active
[14:41] <ailo> ScottL, It would be really great if Oneiric was a release where US turns a leaf and becomes a truly well supported multimedia system
[14:42] <ScottL> but the distro would need to be lean, efficient, and effective
[14:42] <ScottL> ailo, yes, it would
[14:42] <ScottL> :)
[14:42] <ailo> ScottL, I'm on the boat and determined to get documentation and -controls in order.
[14:42] <ScottL> that's awesome!
[14:43] <ScottL> i really, really, really (really!) appreciate you involvement
[14:43] <ScottL> you and old holstein are the two most involved people
[14:43] <ScottL> alessio is too, but it's rather specific of course ;)
[14:44] <ScottL> if we could get a better grip on the other multimedia parts of studio i bet i could even setup an interview with libre grahics magazine
[14:44] <ailo> ScottL, Well. I'm really happy to be involved.  The unfinished work is like a bad dream, you want to get rid of ;)
[14:44] <ScottL> they have already offered us a full-page advert for free :)
[14:45] <ScottL> ailo, aye, it's the "getting it done" part that troubles most people
[14:45] <ScottL> they have good intentions but it seems that most of them require someone to tell them how to do it step-by-step
[14:45] <ScottL> which is not bad if it's one or two people :P
[14:46] <ailo> This time around, I'm ahead of what I need to know in order to work things out. Natty was too much at once for me
[14:46] <ailo> So, I can forgive myself on account of that
[14:46] <ScottL> lol, yeah it was a lot to do in one cycle :)
[14:48] <ScottL> hmmm, i just realized that i probably broke my gnome3 install by installing ubuntustudio-default-settings
[14:48] <ScottL> it will try to adjust the menu and panels :(
[14:48] <ScottL> i should have just installed ardour and let it pull in the required dependencies :/
[14:49] <ailo> ScottL, Did you see Ralfs last post? I think he might be warming up on the idea of using a preempt kernel without the realtime patch :P
[14:49] <ailo> Since Rui had good things to say about it, if nothing else
[14:49] <ScottL> i saw that i had email and that he was one of them
[14:50] <ScottL> ralf seems very smart, just seems to have some trouble interfacing with people sometimes
[14:52] <ailo> He has an unusual way of getting his point across.
[15:02] <ScottL> he certainly seems very, very knowledgeable
[15:31] <ScottL> eh, all the studio apps installed okay on gnome3, but it's still a pain to switch between the apps
[15:33] <ScottL> but of course that is the gnome3 on maverick which may not be the best testing platform
[15:43] <ailo> ScottL, If I have an objection against Unity (and will have to try Gnome3 to find out) its' not being able to switch apps easily.
[15:44] <ailo> I use Alt + Tab, but it's a little slow and hard to identify the open windows
[15:44] <ailo> I would rather it just brought up a window on top, instead of showing a list of small windows
[15:45] <ailo> I'll be gone for most of the day. See you later..
[23:47] <rlameiro> evening
[23:52] <rlameiro> ScottL: ping


[00:09] <hawkal> Does anyone here know how to disable the system tray notifications?
[00:09] <TheMaster> Which ones?
[00:09] <hawkal> all of them
[00:10] <TheMaster> You may be able to disable, or you can purge.
[00:10] <hawkal> I've tried looking for settings or pluging removal etc but I can't find anything do you know where I should look?
[00:11] <hawkal> I just don't want any notifications
[00:11] <TheMaster> Give an example, the update one? You'd either get the config, or disable that from startup.
[00:11] <PsyCl0ne> good evening everyone. I am running a Lubuntu install that upgraded from 11.04 to 12.04 I believe. But I have lost sound since I upgraded. In alsamixer it shows my sound card (SB Audigy 1) and I have maxed out all the sliders, but yet still get nothing. I have since then installed Pulse Audio Volume Control and have tried all the configurations to no avail. One thing that I have noticed is that under the pulse configurations my SB Audigy c
[00:12] <TheMaster> Got cutoff at "I have noticed is that under the pulse configurations my SB Audigy "
[00:13] <PsyCl0ne> TheMaster: Sorry, the card does not appear. I only have to option to configure my built in sound card.
[00:13] <PsyCl0ne> I only have the option to configure my built in sound card. Can anyone please assist me in trouble shooting this?
[00:13] <PsyCl0ne> (06:12:25 PM) TheMaster: Got cutoff at "I have noticed is that under the pulse configurations my SB Audigy "
[00:13] <PsyCl0ne> lol :/
[00:13] <hawkal> TheMaster: okay for example the download complete notification is of no use to me but I see no way to disable it.
[00:14] <PsyCl0ne> Also on a side note, I have tested the speakers and they are working. The SB Audigy should also be functional, still have yet to smell burning components lol
[00:15] <TheMaster> Well, you could kill notification-daemon, that'd do it, no?
[00:20] <PsyCl0ne> Actually, I am going to quickly logout and then back in. lets see if I fixed it.
[00:20] <PsyCl0ne> brb
[00:20] <TheMaster> hawkal: Did you try stopping the notification-daemon?
[00:22] <hawkal> TheMaster no I haven't I wasn't sure if it was a permanent solution
[00:23] <TheMaster> Try that first, then you can disable that on startup (or remove it) if that works.
[00:23] <TheMaster> I've never had to, so I don't exactly know how it's done.
[00:23] <hawkal> TheMaster actually I just noticed I must have already disabled it from startup
[00:25] <PsyCl0ne> back, and it didnt work...
[00:25] <TheMaster> hawkal: I installed the xfce one, is notify-osd what is currently bheing used? I don't remember the default.
[00:26] <TheMaster> http://askubuntu.com/questions/13464/how-can-i-customize-disable-notification-bubbles could also see if that works.
[00:29] <PsyCl0ne> Ok here is another question, is there a way that I can do a fresh lubuntu install while leaving my home directory untouched?
[00:30] <TheMaster> Should be an option in the installer, I remember doing it a while back when I didn't want to. :P
[00:31] <hawkal> TheMaster: no it's not using notify-osd
[00:31] <TheMaster> Alright, just making sure.  Link do any good?
[00:32] <hawkal> TheMaster no it said the file doesn't exist
[00:36] <hawkal> I just tried creating the file to see if that would do anything but it didn't
[00:37] <burrito_> can't get flash to install correctly on lubuntu 11.04 then 11.10
[00:37] <burrito_> youtube displays 'missing plugin'
[00:44] <hawkal> burrito how are you installing flash and what browser are you using?
[00:46] <burrito_> hawkal, i've tried installing it via lubuntu-restricted-extras, then ubuntu-restricted-extras, then adobe-flashplugin..  I"m using chrome
[00:46] <burrito_> I uninstalled flash installer before installing adobe-flashplugin, as well
[00:47] <burrito_> then, i figured i'd update my system since i had just installed it and had not updated yet.  So, I went ahead and updated and upgraded, as well.  Still no luck.
[00:47] <hawkal> Burrito_ so you've tried installing it manually by getting the plugin from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?
[00:47] <burrito_> I enable the third party repos, too..
[00:48] <burrito_> No, i had not downloaded from the website
[00:48] <burrito_> hawkal, do you think I should give that a shot?  everything I've done so far has been in synaptic
[00:49] <hawkal> yes I would, that's how I installed it
[00:49] <burrito_> okay, cool.   Hopefully a little zippier on older hardware than stock ubuntu.
[05:18] <TheMaster> I have no idea, but I'd *guess* more compatible with Ubuntu.
[05:20] <colonelqubit> I saw some notes on the mailing list (e.g. https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg04009.html), but didn't see any recent news
[05:21] <colonelqubit> I was hoping that 12.04 lubuntu or xubuntu might have good enough screen reader support so that I could help train some friends to use the computer by themselves.
[05:22] <colonelqubit> I might just bite the bullet and upgrade their hardware
[05:32] <mysteriousdarren> burrito: why 11.10?
[05:40] <AquaGirlLove> Hi.
[05:41] <mi3> hello
[05:41] <AquaGirlLove> I recently installed XAMPP onto Lubuntu and have been able to access it from the terminal.
[05:42] <AquaGirlLove> However, when I create a Desktop file to launch when I click the icon, the terminal doesn't display XAMPP.
[05:42] <AquaGirlLove> The terminal stalls and has a cursor blinking.
[05:44] <AquaGirlLove> I am using a "sudo" command.  Not sure if that might be an issue.
[05:50] <silverlion> good morning. anyone an idea why the shockwave flash plugin - that i have installed - keeps constantly crashing?
[06:11] <AquaGirlLove> Anyone around?
[06:11] <silverlion> AquaGirlLove: surely
[06:11] <AquaGirlLove> I am having trouble getting ELinks to work in Lubuntu.
[06:12] <silverlion> sorry never used it
[06:12] <AquaGirlLove> It is a terminal based web browser.
[06:15] <silverlion> AquaGirlLove: i am really sorry but all i could do is looking at google together with you :(
[06:16] <AquaGirlLove> That's okay.  I am checking with the Ubuntu channel.
[06:19] <bioterror> AquaGirlLove, paste the .desktop file's exec line
[06:21] <pungi-man> AquaGirlLove, You can modify the link in the folder /usr/share/applications
[06:21] <bioterror> pungi-man, she created the file
[06:22] <AquaGirlLove> The people in the #ubuntu channel mentioned something about an lxterminal -e elinks
[06:24] <silverlion> bioterror could use help too :D
[06:25] <bioterror> silverlion, it's a conspiracy by Adobe! they dont want us to browse internet
[06:27] <silverlion> bioterror: great ... but how am I able to watch videos of tv shows now?
[06:30] <silverlion> well at least i am able to do the basic "home"work in my home office again *yeah* three nights of installation were not useless ;)
[06:35] <TheMaster> Open a terminal and type  dpkg -l |grep flash   and see what you have.
[06:41] <silverlion> TheMaster: will after i sent a crash report to lubuntu
[06:43] <silverlion> TheMaster: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/968482/ << result is here
[06:44] <TheMaster> !partner
[06:44] <silverlion> TheMaster: sorry?
[06:45] <TheMaster> Follow that, then sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer* && sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[06:45] <silverlion> TheMaster: will do
[06:48] <silverlion> TheMaster: i know silly question but to be sure. the quotationmarks before deb and after partner are to be left out, right?
[06:49] <silverlion> disregard ... found answer myself
[06:52] <silverlion> TheMaster: Package adobe-flashplugin is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source  E: Package 'adobe-flashplugin' has no installation candidate <<< ????? what's this about?
[06:53] <TheMaster> .....You need to update package list first..
[06:54] <silverlion> sudo apt-update ???
[06:54] <silverlion> gosh i am so greenhorn :/
[06:54] <TheMaster> No, sudo apt-get update
[06:55] <TheMaster> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/apt-get
[06:56] <silverlion> TheMaster: sorry for wasting your time :D
[07:01] <silverlion> TheMaster: still getting flash crashes :$
[07:03] <milen8204> hello all I have upgraded my Lubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 , now my mouse doesn`t work, my LAN card too, I suppose and other staff, any ideas what can I do
[07:06] <silverlion> TheMaster: sorry connection went down :(
[07:22] <pungi-man> go to additional driver and check it out
[07:45] <silverlion> Unit193: i did what you said with "updating and adding the repository. a
[08:54] <ilija> hy
[08:54] <ilija> i need help about login problem
[08:55] <ilija> when i log in i got message "Ssession: warning: unable to write to /tmp: X session may exit with an errpr"
[08:56] <ilija> i am using lubuntu 11.10
[09:14] <audacyo> bonjour, hello
[09:14] <audacyo> is there french people ?
[09:14] <audacyo> i would know
[09:15] <audacyo> does anyone test kdenlive on lubuntu ?
[09:16] <audacyo> for mp3 and dvdplay, we just have to add medibuntu and lame and libdvdcss2 ?
[09:16] <audacyo> ??
[09:16] <audacyo> PLEASE
[09:17] <audacyo> bonjour, hello [11:14] <audacyo> is there french people ? [11:14] <audacyo> i would know [11:15] <audacyo> does anyone test kdenlive on lubuntu ? [11:16] <audacyo> for mp3 and dvdplay, we just have to add medibuntu and lame and libdvdcss2 ?
[09:18] <audacyo> Ok Thanks for nothing !
[09:18] <audacyo> Have a good life !
[09:22] <head_victim> audacyo, it's the same as any Ubuntu variant, but you didn't hang around to find out
[09:22] <head_victim> And ilija, didn't either :
[09:28] <gordonjcp> head_victim: that does my head in
[09:28] <gordonjcp> hung around for *four* minutes
[09:28] <gordonjcp> at 10am on a saturday
[09:38] <head_victim> It's nearly 8pm here ;)
[10:55] <Janyk> Hello!
[10:55] <Janyk> Does lubuntu have an live cd?
[10:57] <phillw> Janyk: yes :)
[10:57] <phillw> 4 of them, pick which one you need :)
[10:58] <phillw> http://tinyurl.com/GetLubuntu
[11:04] <Janyk> Thank you phillw
[11:04] <Janyk> No ops in here?
[11:06] <Janyk> Is it the Desktop CD?
[11:06] <Janyk> at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[11:12] <phillw> Janyk: there are ops, none of who wear badges.
[11:13] <phillw> Janyk: which system do you need? i686 (32 bit for older computers), i586 (for even older computers) or AMD64 for modern computers?
[11:29] <Janyk> uh
[11:29] <Janyk> there is XP on the pc
[11:30] <Janyk> but i want ubuntu
[11:30] <Janyk> and there is 512 ram in it
[11:31] <infiltrato> hello
[11:32] <infiltrato> I am upgrading my lubuntu to 12.04 and it asks me wether I want to use lxdm or lightdm
[11:32] <infiltrato> what is the recomended option?
[11:34] <phillw> infiltrato: 12.04 lubuntu switched to lightdm, so that would be my recoomendation
[11:34] <infiltrato> like in what will be lighter for my fossil laptop
[11:34] <infiltrato> ah okay
[11:34] <phillw> Janyk: grab the i686 version of lubuntu
[11:36] <infiltrato> thank you phillw
[11:36] <Janyk> Okay!
[11:38] <phillw> infiltrato: we switched to lightdm because it has wider base of support. Xubuntu went with it at 11.10 and kindly ironed out some bugs. Lubuntu has only few devs, so we do liase closely with the other teams (who also have but a few devs!).
[11:38] <infiltrato> okay
[11:40] <infiltrato> it's a pity that there are a few devs because I like lubuntu
[11:40] <infiltrato> I am grateful to the lubuntu devs
[11:44] <phillw> infiltrato: we have enough to progress, just not enough to support our older releases, hence 12.04 not being an LTS
[11:48] <infiltrato> phillw: do you mean that I could stay with lxdm but it won't have much bug support in the future?
[11:51] <phillw> lxdm will not be further developed, it is lxde specific, with lightdm we can share what precious resources we have across several teams.
[11:53] <infiltrato> but would I experience a worse performance with lightdm, considering that I have a laptop with almost no ram?
[11:53] <infiltrato> I mean, I got lubuntu because even xubuntu goes like a snail in there
[11:53] <head_victim> I don't think anyone has got specific benchmarks.
[11:53] <head_victim> Personally, I'd move to the one that's now default unless you have a good reason to stay on the old one.
[11:54] <infiltrato> yeah, it's only the session starter
[11:57] <infiltrato> well thank you all
[11:57] <infiltrato> I have to go
[11:57] <infiltrato> godbye
[12:14] <exxtreme> why is lubuntu 11.04 taking so long to download.  IE is saying "greater than 12 hours.
[12:15] <exxtreme> and lubuntu torrents seem to be non-existant
[12:16] <phillw> exxtreme: the servers are probably still hammered
[12:16] <phillw> which lubuntu 11.04 do you need?
[12:16] <exxtreme> phillw...the official 11.04
[12:17] <phillw> exxtreme: give me a few minutes, I'll see if I can grab it to the secondary server for you.
[12:17] <exxtreme> ok thanks
[12:18] <bioterror> 11% [[12:18] <bioterror> how much faster it should come?
[12:19] <exxtreme> well i have adsl2+ at 5mbs and it's horribly slow here
[12:19] <bioterror> I was using http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[12:21] <exxtreme> i need 11.04 or 10.04 for this old mothboard i'm trying to revive.  12.04 & 11.10 don't work.
[12:21] <bioterror> why doesnt 12.04 work?
[12:21] <exxtreme> kernel panic
[12:21] <bioterror> and the reason is?
[12:22] <bioterror> does it say something about PAE?
[12:22] <phillw> exxtreme: the 10.04 is already on http://thesii.org/iso/
[12:22] <phillw> that is for i586 etc.
[12:22] <exxtreme> bioterror, i'd have to reboot to check the error again.  Can PAE be disabled?
[12:23] <phillw> exxtreme: is that with the alternate for i686? As that ships as non-PAE
[12:23] <bioterror> yes
[12:23] <phillw> bioterror: is Desktop 12.04 also non-PAE? I think it is?
[12:23] <phillw> for i686
[12:24] <exxtreme> i'm using the official 1110 that kernel panics...12.04 black screen of death.  Not sure why 12.04 stopped as i saw no text.   Both official versions.
[12:25] <exxtreme> where's the alternate isos?
[12:25] <phillw> exxtreme: just how old is the computer.. also what is the processor in it?
[12:25] <exxtreme> just a moment..rebooting.
[12:26] <phillw> okes
[12:28] <exxtreme> motherboard:  Acer VERITON 3700GX.  Bios 6.00 PG   Sept 1, 2005.
[12:28] <exxtreme> rebooting 11.10...
[12:30] <exxtreme> celeron processor 2.8ghz i think
[12:30] <exxtreme> definitely kernel panic.
[12:30] <bioterror> what does the kernel panic say
[12:30] <exxtreme> The CD is fine becuase i installed it on a different PC
[12:31] <bioterror> usually it says something specific
[12:31] <phillw> exxtreme: but is the cd drive on that computer fine?
[12:31] <exxtreme> the DVD should be fine because i installed XP with it.  (worked)...
[12:32] <exxtreme> error says:  unable to read inode...unable to read metadata....input output error
[12:32] <exxtreme> sqauashfs error...not syncing..attemnpted to kill init!
[12:32] <bioterror> hmmm
[12:33] <exxtreme> that's cutting a long story short. ^^^
[12:33] <exxtreme> I'll try phillw's link or the altenate iso's...
[12:34] <exxtreme> or...is there a boot line parameter that might help?
[12:34] <bioterror> I would go with the 12.04 alternative
[12:34] <exxtreme> ok will try thanks
[12:34] <bioterror> or even better
[12:35] <bioterror> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/mini.iso grab this
[12:35] <bioterror> and then when you get to the command line
[12:35] <bioterror> you run command: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[12:36] <exxtreme> bioterror..downloading. thanks
[12:36] <bioterror> should be quite fast download
[12:36] <bioterror> mini.iso > * ;)
[12:36] <HeatFire> I have a problem with installing lubuntu on my desktop-comp.. something somewhere makes it lagg like crazy..
[12:36] <phillw> bioterror: I think we had this covered at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall Please feel free to edit!
[12:37] <bioterror> HeatFire, grab that mini.iso too :D
[12:37] <HeatFire> ok:)
[12:37] <HeatFire> was hoping it was simple:P
[12:37] <bioterror> I dunno about your hardware
[12:37] <bioterror> is it old or what
[12:37] <HeatFire> pretty new.. I7 970 CPU and some P67 motherbord i think:P
[12:37] <bioterror> okay
[12:38] <bioterror> HeatFire, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso try this one then
[13:19] <HeatFire_> bioterror problem is not solved
[13:24] <HeatFire_> only mouse moves nothing else:P
[13:32] <HeatFire_> question is.. what hardware support does lubuntu mix that ubuntu has?
[14:48] <tbrown> I was wondering download lubuntu on a vmware player is the smart way to go:) Because I want to learn ubuntu:)
[17:28] <Khmerog> hi
[17:29] <Khmerog> does lubuntu have any widgets?
[17:29] <bioterror> what are those?
[17:31] <Khmerog> desktop applications..like a notepad
[17:32] <Khmerog> instead of having to launch the notepad application you can just write a note on your desktop, thats an example of a widget
[17:33] <Khmerog> or a app that shows your pc or video card temperature
[17:33] <Myrtti> Khmerog: there's plenty of different widget apps thhat you can install separately
[17:33] <Unit193> Conky, or xpad.
[17:33] <Myrtti> or screenlets, adesklets or gdesklets
[17:33] <Khmerog> if theres plenty im having very bad luck finding them
[17:33] <Khmerog> ohh tank you
[17:33] <Khmerog> i will search for those
[17:36] <phillw> Khmerog: lubuntu + all the extras == Ubuntu :)
[17:49] <Khmerog> lol soo true phillw..the reason i dont have ubuntu on my laptop becuase its a Pentium 4 + 2GB RAM = old laptop
[17:49] <Khmerog> do you think with all thesewidget apps will slow me Laptop down
[17:50] <bioterror> ofcourse they will
[17:50] <phillw> Khmerog: how do I put this politely .... do goldfish drink water?
[17:50] <Khmerog> lol
[17:50] <Khmerog> damn u guys
[17:51] <Khmerog> anyone running ubuntu with a hardware specs older than mine?
[17:51] <phillw> Khmerog: IDK, go ask ubuntu :)
[17:53] <phillw> Khmerog: from their release notes :- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop#System_Requirements
[17:54] <bioterror> some of my friends are using XP as Ubuntu is too heavy :D
[17:54] <bioterror> actually, I cant blame them
[17:54] <bioterror> :D
[17:54] <bioterror> you can remove lots of services and unneeded stuff from XP
[17:56] <phillw> bioterror: or you can go via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall and ADD ehat you want :D
[17:56] <phillw> s/ehat/what
[17:59] <JohnDoe_71Rus> where *. conf setting does not show thumbnails in pcmanfm&
[18:12] <fragalot> Hello. I'm trying to set up an old computer to play some music for me, it's got an internal sound card (snd_hda_intel), and a PCI one (snd_ca0106)
[18:13] <fragalot> I'm having some problems getting it to select the PCI card as the default output. (eg. i've changed alsa_base so the pci one has index 0 and the onboard has index 1... resulting in that neither of them give me any output now...)
[18:14] <bioterror> you should use .asoundrc
[18:14] <bioterror> for choosing card
[18:14] <bioterror> aplay -L lists your devices
[18:14] <bioterror> and find a correct one with command
[18:15] <bioterror> aplay -D plughw:1,7 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[18:15] <bioterror> where you change 1,7 with wat -L gives you
[18:15] <bioterror> as a gentoo user, that should be easy thing to do
[18:15] <fragalot> Thanks i'll try that.
[18:16] <fragalot> ;)
[18:16] <bioterror> at least, you have installed distro which I failed to install. lulz
[18:16] <fragalot> :D
[18:16] <bioterror> when you find the correct one
[18:16] <fragalot> I'm also finding some issues changing the default keymap :/ lxkeymap just crashes.. seems that there's a bug report on it already, but that's an issue for later.
[18:17] <bioterror> we can configure the .asoundrc then
[18:17] <fragalot> alright, lemme play around with aplay then
[18:18] <herpy> I know a way that is easier
[18:18] <phillw> fragalot: the lxkeymap bug should now have been squished... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxkeymap/+bug/945603
[18:19] <phillw> if you are running that latest version, please do shout!
[18:20] <fragalot> hm
[18:20] <fragalot> tried plughw:0,1 to 0,3
[18:20] <fragalot> none seem to output anything
[18:20] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:20] <fragalot> everything shows up as unmuted in alsamixer too
[18:20] <fragalot> phillw: cool :)
[18:21] <bioterror> fragalot, can you pastebin your aplay -L
[18:21] <herpy> Got it working fragalot?
[18:21] <fragalot> bioterror: sure:
[18:21] <fragalot> herpy: keymap or audio? (both not yet :P)
[18:21] <fragalot> bioterror: got a preference for pastebin?
[18:21] <herpy> the audio, you said there is no sound?
[18:21] <bioterror> paste.ubuntu.com
[18:21] <bioterror> for example
[18:22] <fragalot> http://paste.ubuntu.com/969764/
[18:22] <fragalot> I think I know what I did wrong >.>
[18:23] <bioterror> pulse :G
[18:23] <fragalot> or maybe not.
[18:23] <fragalot> bioterror: if that works, that's fine by me. :)
[18:23] <bioterror> sorry, it was aplay -l
[18:23] <bioterror> with small -l ; )
[18:24] <fragalot> bioterror: http://paste.ubuntu.com/969766/
[18:24] <fragalot> derp
[18:24] <bioterror> fragalot, with small -l
[18:24] <fragalot> bioterror: http://paste.ubuntu.com/969767/
[18:24] <bioterror> not the capital letter
[18:24] <bioterror> thanks
[18:25] <fragalot> yeah I selected everything to delete the old stuff, forgot that also overwrote my paste buffer xD
[18:28] <bioterror> but if you have pulseaudio installed, you could use pavucontrol
[18:28] <fragalot> Idon't have pulseaudio installed yet I think
[18:28]  * fragalot takes a look into doing this
[18:29] <bioterror> are you sure?
[18:29] <fragalot> not really
[18:29] <fragalot> lol
[18:29] <fragalot> ubuntu is all foreign to me
[18:29] <fragalot> :/
[18:30] <bioterror> dpkg -l |grep pulse
[18:31] <fragalot> libpulse-mainloop-glib0 and libpulse0 show up
[18:32] <fragalot> am I right in assuming that a simple apt-get install pavucontrol would be useful?
[18:32] <fragalot> or is that setting myself up for a whole world of trouble
[18:32] <bioterror> yes
[18:32] <bioterror> not all
[18:32] <fragalot> here goes!
[18:32] <fragalot> this may take a while... it's a 2.6Ghz Celeron
[18:32] <fragalot> lol
[18:32] <bioterror> we are used to celeron users
[18:33] <fragalot> ^_^ it's a big upgrade from the previous Pmmx 200Mhz I used to use for this
[18:33] <fragalot> pavucontrol: Connection to PulseAudio failed.
[18:33] <herpy> fragalot
[18:34] <fragalot> herpyderpy
[18:34] <herpy> did alsa load the right soundcard?
[18:34] <fragalot> That's what i'm trying to figure out.
[18:34] <fragalot> alsamixer shows the PCI one as CARD0 and the onboard as CARD1
[18:34] <herpy> go to terminal and type in alsamixer
[18:34] <fragalot> neither appear to output anything.
[18:35] <fragalot> herpy: top-left "CARD:" thing shows the PCI one as the one that's loaded.
[18:35] <herpy> I see, is it a usb device?
[18:35] <fragalot> it's a PCI device.
[18:35] <fragalot> eg. dedicated sound card
[18:36] <herpy> is it the right sound card?
[18:36] <fragalot> as far as I can tell, yes.
[18:37] <herpy> is anything muted in alsamixer?
[18:38] <fragalot> nope
[18:40] <fragalot> doing a reboot now just for good measure
[18:43] <fragalot> That seems to have fixed pavucontrol
[18:44] <fragalot> That one kindly shows a VU meter bar going haywire, which is a good sign, means my card is selected
[18:44] <fragalot> now to just get it to actually OUTPUT something ^_^
[18:46] <fragalot> need to find the right profile I think
[18:48] <fragalot> BINGO
[18:48] <fragalot> disabled SPDIF
[18:49] <herpy> Sweet!
[18:50] <fragalot> Well that was fun :P
[18:50] <herpy> first using linux is a bit of a laerning curve but once you get used to it you will never go back to windows as a primary os ever again.
[18:50] <fragalot> now on to get lxkeymap to actually WORK on this thing.
[18:50] <fragalot> herpy: I use Gentoo in daily life
[18:51] <fragalot> i'm used to linux:p
[18:51] <herpy> ah
[18:51] <fragalot> I just never figured disabling SPIDF output would make the analog work
[18:51] <herpy> well using 2 differents oses in linux is also totally different XD
[18:52] <fragalot> True, true :D
[18:52] <fragalot> hm
[18:52] <fragalot> the audio icon in the icon tray doesn't actually DO anything
[18:52] <fragalot> lol
[18:53] <fragalot> but removing it and putting it back fixed that too >.>
[19:03] <fragalot> hm
[19:04] <fragalot> launchpad tells me the lxkeymap bug is fixed and released, yet I can't seem to figure out how to actually get mine to work then
[19:06] <herpy> is your system updated?
[19:06] <fragalot> yes
[19:07] <fragalot> I'll just deal with it and wait a while longer and see if it fixes itself in a later update.
[19:08] <Khmerog> I like turtles
[19:10] <herpy> I like trains
[19:19] <Khmerog> my province of alberta has no passrnger trains :(
[20:06] <murple> I have an old (8 years?) intel iMac. I have previously used Ubuntu and not had any problems with my soundcard/speakers, this is my first attempt at using Ubuntu + LXDE and I do not know how to get my souncard to function properly -I can't hear a single sound! I have been reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting and everything seems fine as far as I can tell, although I am not an especially experience Linux user.
[20:07] <bioterror> fragalot, you just muted spdif? maybe that could help murple too ,)
[20:07] <murple> Can anyone assist me in troubleshooting my soundcard? As I mentioned it has worked with previous versions of Ubuntu, so it should be easily achieved.
[20:08] <fragalot> bioterror: could be - I just muted it in alsamixer
[20:08] <KM0201> murple: cant say it will fix your problems, but when i've had sound problems on lubuntu, i just install pulseaudio and pavucontrol, tweak the settings, and usually it'll start working
[20:08] <fragalot> bioterror: my current conundrum is trying to find something to easilly export/print some handout vouchers for the captive portal i've just set up :P (it outputs a .csv file with the voucher codes in it)
[20:08] <fragalot> without having to write something myself
[20:09] <murple> KM0201: When I run pavucontrol it says Connection to PulseAudio failed. I have tried this several times before but I do not know what to do.
[20:09] <KM0201> murple: diid you install pulseaudio?
[20:10] <murple> KM0201: This is the specific message: http://i.imgur.com/D5sZF.png
[20:10] <murple> KM0201: I believe so, I'll check
[20:10] <murple> KM0201: No, it doesn't look like it was installed.
[20:10] <KM0201> murple: that would explain why its not working
[20:11] <murple> KM0201: I do feel like this is something I should have tried/figured out by myself, I have really been trying for quite some time.
[20:11] <murple> KM0201: Let's hope so!!
[20:12] <murple> KM0201: Well, I no longer get the error in pavucontrol, I can now use the application. I still don't hear any sound though, do I need to reboot or refresh some drivers or something like that?
[20:12] <murple> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav still doesn't work.
[20:13] <KM0201> murple: open up a nice, long file (maybe a long youtube video)... on the configuration tab, try changing to different configurations, etc... when you find one that works, sound will start playing (from the long youtube video)
[20:14] <murple> KM0201: I've had grooveshark.com open for several hours so that's already taken care of. pavucontrol -> configuration reports no cards available for configuration.
[20:14] <KM0201> murple: try restarting
[20:14] <murple> KM0201: reboot system?
[20:14] <KM0201> ..
[20:14] <KM0201> yes
[20:15] <murple> KM0201: Can I come back here and beg for your kind help when I'
[20:15] <murple> 've rebooteD?
[20:15] <KM0201> yes
[20:15] <murple> brb
[20:22] <murple> KM0201: Thank you so much for your help, my computer sounds perfect now.
[20:22] <KM0201> murple: np.. glad you got it worked out.
[20:22] <KM0201> kinda surprised you had to restart though ( i don't recall ever having to do that)... i'm sure there was probably a way to manually start pulseaudio, but.. i didn't know how.
[20:23] <murple> KM0201: I installed Ubuntu Server and I suppose that does not include pulseaudio? I problably should ahve mentioned that.
[20:23] <murple> KM0201: What is pulseaudio exactly? Is is a driver thing?
[20:23] <KM0201> murple: thats correct, also.. when you install lubuntu (from the lubuntu iso) it doesn't include pulseaudio either.. so..
[20:23] <KM0201> !pulseaudio
[20:24] <murple> KM0201: Oh wow, so everyone using Lubuntu with sound needs to manually install pulseaudio the way I just did?
[20:24] <KM0201> murple: no
[20:24] <KM0201> some sound cards, work just fine w/ alsa (lubuntu's sound server)...
[20:25] <murple> I see. Does pulseaudio require alsa or compeltely replace it?
[20:25] <KM0201> i've just found, rather than dicking w/ alsa for 3-4 days (and yes, i did that once).. it's easier to just install pulseaudio, and configure it.
[20:25] <KM0201> murple: now that, i'm not sure... i think it completely replaces it.. but i'm not 100% sure
[20:25] <murple> KM0201: Doesn't matter, it was a stupid question, I'll read a bit on the link you posted
[20:26] <KM0201> not a stupid question.. i don't admit to be an alsa/pulse audio expert.. i've just ran into the sound issue plenty of times, and i try some basic tweaks on alsa, and if it doesn't work (usually doesn't) i just install pulse and pavucontrol, and I usually have sound in 2min
[20:27] <murple> KM0201: I had a hell of a time to get my wifi card to work as well. I'm still quite a linux newbie and every time I install a new distro I have problems with my network card.
[20:28] <KM0201> murple: what type of wifi card do you have?
[20:28] <murple> This time I ended up having to install Wicd to get it to work, and had a hard time uninstalling nm-applet which I couldn't get to work at all. Also, upon booting it says sometrhingh like waiting for network configuration... waiting 60 more seconds for network configuration and finally continuing boot without complete network configuration.
[20:29] <murple> I believe it has something to do with the fact that I have edited /etc/interfaces or something like that but I am not quite sure.
[20:29] <KM0201> oh ok.
[20:29] <KM0201> were you trying to get your wireless working, under ubuntu server?  or after you installed the GUI?
[20:30] <murple> Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11a/b/g [14e4:4312]
[20:30] <murple> KM0201: Before I installed the GUI I was completely lost, after a little less so.
[20:30] <fragalot> Huzzah it's crashed.
[20:30] <fragalot> :<
[20:30] <murple> I have to install b43, fwcutter, or b43-installer or heaven knows what.
[20:31] <fragalot> Well that's for tomorrow.
[20:31] <fragalot> gnite all
[20:31] <KM0201> murple: hmm, usually the 4311 is pretty easy to install, the b43-installer, is in the repositories... as long as you have a temporary wired connection, takes about 2min
[20:31] <KM0201> !b43
[20:31] <KM0201> murple: might want to bookmark that for future reference
[20:31] <KM0201> lookks like the 4311 will use the STA or b43 driver
[20:32] <murple> KM0201: I installed that installer and I believe the card was functioning after that, but I couldn't get it to work as I couldn't get nm-applet to work either. Network Manager
[20:32] <KM0201> hmm, thats weird... did you restart after installing that package, or start the b43 module manually, like the instructions say?
[20:32] <murple> KM0201: Thanks for the link, it's one of the many I used to fix this.
[20:33] <KM0201> just seems kinda weird that nm-applet would not work at all, and wicd would work flawlessly
[20:33] <murple> KM0201: I really tried a lot of things to get it to work, it's hard to say at this point exactly what I did and what made it work.
[20:33] <KM0201> murple: understood.
[20:34] <murple> It seemed to me that Network Manager wasn't functioning? Only the nm-applet? I don't know, it only showed a greyed out text although I can't remember what exactly.
[20:34] <KM0201> murple: well, if you look at that link.. look at "step 3" under installing the b43 driver with internet access... those two commands, will activate the b43 driver w/o restarting (otherwise, you'll have to restart)
[20:34] <murple> I remember using nm-applet from my previous Ubuntu Desktop installations.
[20:35] <murple> I've definetly did modprobe, but not sure if I did it exactly like explained there.-
[20:36] <KM0201> well, that could be part of the issue.... anyway, hopefully its all resolved for you
[20:36] <murple> anyhow, at this point, the wifi seems to work but there are two small annoyances. The first is that it takes very long time to boot because I've mucked around in configuration files, I believe I need to remove auto wlan0 from the interfaces configuration file, does that make sense?
[20:36] <murple> The second annoyance is that I need to enter my user password in wicd after every reboot.
[20:37] <KM0201> murple: hmm, now that i don't know... i think that has something to do w/ stored passwords
[20:38] <KM0201> murple: are you using auto login?
[20:38] <murple> Yes.
[20:38] <KM0201> thats why.
[20:39] <murple> Is there a simple workaround?
[20:39] <KM0201> yes, but i'm tryign to remember it (haven't done it in forever)
[20:39] <KM0201> its something in ubuntu-keyring
[20:40] <murple> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=776406
[20:40] <KM0201> you could try it.
[20:40] <KM0201> shoudln't hurt.
[20:42] <KM0201> murple: actually, you shouldn't need that .deb, since you already have installed wicd
[20:42] <murple> What do I do here: 4. Go to System > Preferences > Sessions. In the "Startup Programs" tab, click the "Add" button
[20:43] <murple> That's actually another thing I'd like to know, can I easily install some of Ubuntu Desktop's preferences programs? Is there a bundle perhaps?
[20:43] <KM0201> murple: under... i think the preferences menu, is the "sessions" entry... (not using lxde at the moment).. click that, then click on the "startup" tab
[20:45] <murple> You're right, but actually, I don't need step 4 because the program already starts on boot, I think I might only need the next step.
[20:45] <murple> And where do I find that??
[20:45] <KM0201> murple: honestly, i don't know, hold on
[20:45] <murple> I already have automatic login activated...
[20:45] <murple> blah.
[20:46] <KM0201> right
[20:46] <KM0201> ive done this before, i just can't remember how to resolve this
[20:46] <murple> I don't get it, the title matched my problem precisely but all of the steps seemed useless.
[20:46] <KM0201> honestly, i think i just deleted my keyring (not really advised)
[20:47] <murple> nor understood.
[20:47] <KM0201> murple: well, those instructions are old,
[20:49] <murple> One last question then, how can I go about to troubleshoot the faulty network configuration upon boot? "Waiting for network configuration.... waiting 60 more seconds for network configuration and finally continuing without complete network configuration"
[20:50] <KM0201> murple: unfortunately i don't know
[20:50] <murple> okay.
[20:50] <KM0201> maybe bioterror or Unit193 can help you with that.
[20:50] <murple> Well thank you very much for your help
[20:50] <murple> My "cohabitant" needs my attentiont now anyhow, I really appreciate your help. Have a great day.
[20:50] <KM0201> no problem
[20:50] <KM0201> best of luck
[20:51] <Unit193> Ciao.
[20:51] <murple> thanks! bye!
[21:02] <ChaosColor> hey there
[21:03] <ChaosColor> I want to hide most folders of one of my imap accounts in sylpheed because it shows everything in my home directory
[21:04] <SAKKED> why cant i fin AMSN at software center?
[21:04] <SAKKED> i updated lubuntu to v 12 and somehow it deleted aMsn
[21:04] <SAKKED> :D
[21:04] <ChaosColor> I thought just deleting them from the xml was enough, but unfortunately sylpheed decided to recreate the file
[21:05] <KM0201> ChaosColor: hmm, interesting.. look slike its not in the repos anymore
[21:05] <Unit193> SAKKED: amsn isn't in the repo anymore.
[21:05] <KM0201> oops, that was for SAKKED
[21:07] <soupeee> My netbook want's to update to ubuntu-12.04 but it'll be too big if the 11 series is anything to go by. Is there a lubuntu variant 12.04?
[21:07] <ChaosColor> yes there is
[21:07] <ChaosColor> I'm running it right now
[21:07] <soupeee> how do I apt-get it?
[21:07] <SAKKED> Unit193: why its not anymore?
[21:08] <Unit193> Could be unmaintained upstream, unfixed security bugs, etc.
[21:08] <KM0201> SAKKED: probably because it sucks...   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/amsn/0.98.4-0ubuntu3   (there's builds there you can download)
[21:09] <Unit193> But I'd recommend you find another client.
[21:09] <KM0201> same..
[21:09] <SAKKED> ok
[21:09] <bioterror> only reason to use amsn was that file transfers was faster than pidgins
[21:09] <bioterror> but that bug was fixed in pidgin
[21:10] <ChaosColor> soupeee, are you running ubuntu?
[21:10] <SAKKED> so what do u guys recommend?
[21:10] <KM0201> SAKKED: i guess it depends on your need.
[21:10] <Unit193> Could always go with pidgin. :P
[21:10] <SAKKED> i only need msn chat
[21:10] <ChaosColor> doesn't amsn also support webcam and those annoying sound thingies and some more stuff like that?
[21:11] <KM0201> ChaosColor: yeah
[21:11] <ChaosColor> I've been using pidgin since forever so I'm probably biased, but I'd recommend pidgin
[21:12] <KM0201> i like pidgin as well.. if you just need chat.. it'll work fine for that
[21:12] <Unit193> Na, use finch. ;)
[21:12] <KM0201> lol, ok, the best "practical" solution, is pidgin
[21:15] <soupeee> ChaosColor: no lubuntu. But it keeps wanting to upgrade to Ubuntu-12.04 which will not fit on my asus eee book
[21:15] <soupeee> put a comma after that "no"
[21:16] <ChaosColor> you might be fine with using the 12.04 sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade. not sure though
[21:16]  * soupeee goes to look at another channel
[21:17] <MrChrisDruif> <_<" does nobody read the release notes anymore?
[21:22] <ivoxova> hi
[21:22] <ChaosColor> so  apparently you just upgrade anyway and still get lubuntu >_>
[21:22] <ivoxova> how do i add the wine menu to the lubuntu 12.04 main menu?
[21:22] <ivoxova> i nstalled wine but it isnt in the menu
[21:23] <ivoxova> installed*
[21:23] <MrChrisDruif> ChaosColor; the update-manager indeed says it'll upgrade to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, but this is (unfortunately) a known bug. They hope to triage it in time for coming release.
[21:24] <SAKKED> any1 know some kind of gadget that shows RAM and CPU usage
[21:24] <SAKKED> like windows have many of those
[21:24] <bioterror> SAKKED, open terminal and type: top
[21:24] <Unit193> I have a fancy one called "htop", it's so much cooler. ;)
[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> SAKKED; top, htop < terminal based, there is a system monitor gui already installed (lxtask if I remember correctly)
[21:25] <bioterror> Unit193, why it's more fancier?
[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> Because it is...
[21:25] <ivoxova> um any one know how to fix the wine problem?
[21:26] <Unit193> ivoxova: Should by default, you can try to dpkg-reconfigure wine, or place it in the menu yourself as shown in the FAQs.
[21:27] <ChaosColor> SAKKED, there seem to be panel applets for that
[21:30] <ivoxova> wow thats complicated, is there a gui like alacarte?
[21:30] <Unit193> Not at this time, but in the making.
[21:31] <ivoxova> k well dpkg-reconfigure wine does nothing
[21:45] <SAKKED> i found few
[21:45] <SAKKED> indicators
[21:45] <SAKKED> but those are in the right corner
[21:46] <SAKKED> id like to have them on desktop
[21:51] <bioterror> SAKKED, http://ricecows.org/slubuntu.png like that?
[22:01] <SAKKED> bioterror: yeah
[22:01] <bioterror> install conky and configure
[22:08] <SAKKED> how can i configure?
[22:08] <SAKKED> i cant move that window anywhere
[22:16] <stlsaint> bioterror: no bueno with pfsense
[22:18] <bioterror> stlsaint, :(
[22:18] <bioterror> what's the problem?
[22:18] <SAKKED> cant overwrite the config file =/
[22:19] <stlsaint> http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,49078.0.html
[22:19] <bioterror> I have always had problems with usb pen drives
[22:20] <bioterror> so I've just used cd-r's
[22:20] <bioterror> that's based on BSD and they seem to lag behind all the others :D
[22:20] <stlsaint> no cd drive on server
[22:20] <bioterror> I used usb dvd-drive ;)
[22:23] <stlsaint> yea i guess i could try that
[22:24] <SAKKED> "opening file for writing doesnt work"
[22:24] <SAKKED> when i try to edit .config file
[22:31] <mikodo> Hi, I'm in Canada. An online buddy, in Hawaii, is having trouble with his (? older computer), crashing with Windows. How best to get him a disk for Lubuntu, if he cannot find someone to download it for him in Hawaii? Are the disks offered for free still, or can I purchase it somewhere from (? Ubuntu store) or what not to send to him?
[22:37] <bioterror> mikodo, that's actually your choise ;)
[22:37] <bioterror> you can buy cd's from some web pages
[22:37] <bioterror> or ask your friend to hit the Library
[22:38] <bioterror> atleast in here you can burn stuff in the libraries
[22:38] <bioterror> and LoCo has even spread CD's to Libraries
[22:39] <mikodo> bioterror, Hey, I never thought of the library ...
[22:39] <SAKKED> argh
[22:39] <SAKKED> looks like root "owns" the file
[22:40] <SAKKED> and i cant write anything
[22:40] <mikodo> This looks good if we have to go that way: http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/lubuntu
[22:41] <bioterror> not a bad price
[22:41] <stlsaint> mikodo: i dont think ship it still does the cd gig
[22:42] <mikodo> stlsaint, Ya, I just say that
[22:43] <stlsaint> canonical shop does not have lubuntu
[22:44] <mikodo> stlsaint, Do you know why, is it for just Ubuntu? Just curious
[22:47] <mikodo> Thanks guys ... bye
[23:20] <stlsaint> bioterror: so burn to cd and hooked up external cd drive
[23:21] <stlsaint> still didnt work until i choose the boot from USB option at menu (option 3)


[21:22] <AndrewMcC> How am I only discovery zsync, and why aren't more publishers using it? :)
[21:22] <AndrewMcC> s/discovery/discovering/