[00:00] <tatertots> ghostnik11: i'd expect some errors if what you say is accurate
[00:00] <jrp93> Just hit tab twice after openssl
[00:00] <ghostnik11> jrp93, okay
[00:00] <dax> libssl-dev
[00:01] <ghostnik11> jrp93, dax no of those worked
[00:01] <ghostnik11> tatertots, i tried with the tab function and it didnt wor
[00:01] <dax> ghostnik11: "sudo apt-get install libssl-dev" didn't work?
[00:01] <jrp93> you're putting in install right
[00:01] <jrp93> sudo apt-get install
[00:01] <tatertots> lol
[00:01] <ghostnik11> jrp93, yeah i put in install
[00:02] <jrp93> tab will just show you results
[00:02] <ghostnik11> tatertots, thats not funny, i am about to make history to a problem that has plague me for months
[00:02] <tatertots> ghostnik11: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[00:02] <jrp93> that begin with openssl
[00:02] <tatertots> ghostnik11: let me know when done
[00:03] <ghostnik11> tatertots, thats saying it will install senors and other stuff
[00:03] <ghostnik11> tatertots, meant to say: sensors and other stuff like hawk
[00:04] <ghostnik11> tatertots, its done now i will try like jrp93 said and try to get openssl
[00:05] <jrp93> no don't listen to me
[00:05] <nirj34> hello, I am on an ubuntu flavor with kde desktop (kstudio), and after release upgrade first the OS didnt boot, then, after I reinstalled grub on another OS on disk, it now boots into terminal instead of gui desktop.
[00:05] <ghostnik11> jrp93, why would you say such things. you gave me advice
[00:05] <nirj34> can you help please? this flavor doesnt have own channel. and online solutions are only for ubuntu desktops-.
[00:06] <jrp93> just kiddin
[00:06] <jrp93> do `sudo apt install -y libssl* openssl*` if you're feelin froggy
[00:06] <ghostnik11> jrp93, yeah i did your idea and its asking if i want to display 317 possiblities
[00:07] <jrp93> that's a lot
[00:07] <jrp93> maybe try openssl- then tab tab
[00:07] <jrp93> or libssl- tab tab
[00:07] <jrp93> idk what we're even talking about though. seems like this would be easy to google
[00:08] <tatertots> ghostnik11: inxi -Fxxrzc0|pastebinit
[00:08] <tatertots> ghostnik11: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[00:09] <ghostnik11> jrp93, oh i got it, tatertots and you were correct i just need to run that command tatertots said then i was able to run sudo apt-get install libssl-dev
[00:09] <ghostnik11> jrp93, i am building/messing with a kernel that will unlock features for an asus t100 and i am so close to accomplishing it
[00:10] <jrp93> nirj34, try ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[00:11] <jrp93> you really shouldn't use obscure distros unless you know what you're doing though
[00:11] <jrp93> ghostnik11, sounds neat !
[00:11] <tatertots> ghostnik11: cool glad you got it worked out
[00:11] <ghostnik11> jrp93, no actually its great, if it doesn't work well i found out something = it didn't work so try something else
[00:12] <jrp93> oh i wasn't saying that toward you. talking to kstudio boy over there
[00:13] <Neo2> who know what I've done that I am able to create files and document on gnome desktop? I don't know how it's happened. ????
[00:13] <ghostnik11> jrp93, but yeah there is a group of these really smart people who all have asus t100 2 in 1 pc and have been doing all types of crazy things to unlock the full potential of the device and so i have been playing with my asus t100 since finding out you could put ubuntu/linux on it. so the guys over from the google plus group have been a huge help
[00:14] <nirj34> jrp93, is this the exact command; "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" ?
[00:14] <jrp93> yessuh
[00:17] <dekatch> dax, but man in the middle attacks, when downloading some ubuntu .iso. isnt is useless? the hash itself cant be altered. as long as the file has the same hash it wasnt altered?
[00:17] <nirj34> jrp93, do you want to help or are you having fun in between your regular weekend chatter?
[00:17] <dax> dekatch: if you get the ISO over HTTP and get the hash over HTTP and don't check with gnupg, they can just MITM both
[00:17] <jrp93> i love to help
[00:17] <jrp93> i do think you should just use kubuntu though
[00:17] <jrp93> unless there's some major reason you're using that instead
[00:18] <nirj34> I asked you how I am going to run that command?
[00:18] <dekatch> man in the middle attacks are useless either way. in defintion, even if you are some criminal, as long as the information was gathered in an non official illegal way, you remain free to go. thats at least today's law's in germany
[00:18] <jrp93> you said a terminal pops up right ?
[00:18] <nirj34> jrp93, syes
[00:18] <nirj34> yes*
[00:18] <jrp93> is it a bash shell
[00:18] <jrp93> or just like a blinking cursor
[00:18] <nirj34> I cant boot to gui but to shell, yes
[00:18] <jrp93> okay then put it in there and reboot
[00:18] <nirj34> it is the terminal that comes up when you do ctrl+alt+f1
[00:19] <jrp93> good there is hope then
[00:19] <nirj34> what do I need to "put in there"?
[00:19] <dekatch> dax, ok, well, i think the appropriate way to check the hashsum is explained on ubtuntu?
[00:19] <jrp93> sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[00:19] <dekatch> i never had that concern, so i didnt dig into it
[00:19] <jrp93> or
[00:19] <jrp93> devices instead
[00:19] <jrp93> to see if it will even help
[00:19] <nirj34> jrp93, I did it, and it said "ubuntu-drivers: command not found" that's why asking
[00:19] <Neo2> see, it http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1514593164.png
[00:19] <Neo2> Who know how I did it?
[00:20] <Neo2> before I can only change background and run settings, and now can create files and folder
[00:20] <dekatch> i downloaded my ubuntu version from windows store and i am running ubuntu on WSL. so i didnt even get the chance to check the hashsum
[00:20] <jrp93> nirj34, where did you get this distro from
[00:21] <jrp93> the url
[00:21] <feeditpeanuts> ecryptfs-recover-private gives mount(2) system call failed: No such file or directory.
[00:22] <feeditpeanuts> even from live cd, on multiple private directories
[00:23] <nirj34> jrp93, it exists
[00:23] <nirj34> jrp93, I installed it long time ago, one sec
[00:23] <jrp93> just install kubuntu man
[00:24] <nirj34> jrp93, http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/
[00:24] <nirj34> it is an audio-centered distro. I dont need K-thing otherwise
[00:24] <jrp93> ohh
[00:24] <jrp93> neat
[00:24] <nirj34> on the contrary, I stay away as far as I can
[00:25] <tyrick> @ssw0rd
[00:25] <tyrick> !@#
[00:26] <jrp93> did you try #kxstudio
[00:26] <nirj34> jrp93, yes, thats what I mean
[00:26] <nirj34> thank you
[00:27] <TJ-> feeditpeanuts: that's due to a problem with the kernel keyring it uses
[00:27] <jrp93> I would just install Ubuntu and use the repos to grab w/e software you want http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories
[00:30] <nirj34> thanks, I will first try to find a shorter fix
[00:32] <TJ-> feeditpeanuts: try first doing "keyctl link @u @s" - this links the user keyring into the user's session keyring
[00:34] <feeditpeanuts> TJ- mount -t ecryptfs did the job. i'll try your suggesting after backup
[00:36] <TJ-> feeditpeanuts: it's a known issue due to some changes to the way systemd uses the kernel keyrings for sessions. The fix is suppposed to be published some time ago but I still get tripped up by it occassionally
[00:41] <rightnow> I have the weirdest error. I upgraded to 17.04 and my home made nodejs systemd service stopped working as it should. It is a graphql node app that sends UDP messages to the network. Reciving works, sending does not. If i stop
[00:41] <rightnow> If i start the application manual with npm run start , everything works
[00:42] <rightnow> But not when it is running in service mode. Anyone has any idea?
[00:51] <sunil`> Hi. I've just installed ubuntu 16.04 on a sony laptop. It installed fine. But I can't connect to the network
[00:52] <sunil`> It isn't automatically picking up wifi networks
[00:52] <sunil`> and I just plugged in an ethernet cable, and it's still not connecting
[00:52] <sunil`> I tested the cable. The cable is good
[00:52] <sunil`> What are my next troubleshooting tests?
[01:03] <sunil`> On the desktop I can see a wifi icon, indicating no connection
[01:03] <sunil`> If I access it's menu I can see 'Connection Information' is greyed out
[01:04] <pavlos> sunil`: first, figure out the wired connection. How do you connect the laptop to the internet ? to a cable modem?
[01:04] <Mixxit> hey all since i started using ubuntu over the last year or so i have noticed that i seem to get a load of problems with shutting down and starting up 'a start job is running for xxxx' or the reverse when shutting down
[01:04] <Mixxit> it makes me sit there for 5 minutes
[01:04] <Mixxit> i never remember ubuntu being like this
[01:06] <khelvan> Hello, I have installed Ubuntu 17.04 on my 1st generation Surface Book (I couldn't install 17.10 because of a graphics card issue), but for some reason my new bootloader (Grub2?) won't show up when I reboot after installation. I've tried running boot-repair from a 17.04 live USB, but I am getting the error "Please enable a repository containing the [linux-generic] packages in the software sources of Ubuntu 17.04 (ubuntupartitionname)
[01:06] <sunil`> pavlos: I'm running a home network connected to the world via fibre. From the ISP-supplied modem, an ethernet cable runs to a small hub. I'm running a cable from the hub to the lappy
[01:06] <khelvan> I'm not sure of what my next steps should be.
[01:07] <sunil`> pavlos: the ISP-supplied modem also offers wifi service. most of the machines in my room are using that wifi network.
[01:08] <pavlos> sunil`: the ISP provided modem offers DHCP so your laptop (with wired) should get an IP. Did you reboot the laptop?
[01:08] <rikama_> anyone here using ubuntu for playing source-based games?
[01:08] <pavlos> sunil`: is the laptop up-to-date with updates?
[01:09] <rikama_> I wish I could switch to linux for daily-use, but out-of-the-box CS:GO is not running very well
[01:09] <sunil`> pavlos: yes, the modem offers DHCP service. I did reboot lappy once...
[01:09] <sunil`> pavlos: I haven't updated since installing, about 40 mins ago.
[01:09] <pavlos> sunil`: you cannot update since you dont have connection
[01:09] <sunil`> (can't update cos I can't connect to the net)
[01:10] <sunil`> pavlos: should I try rebooting? I might as well. It wont hurt anything
[01:10] <pavlos> yes, reboot
[01:10] <sunil`> rebooting :)
[01:12] <sunil`> rebooted!
[01:12] <sunil`> faster than I expected
[01:12] <sunil`> ok... 'connection information' is still grayed out
[01:13] <pavlos> sunil`: look at this (obviously you're using another system to chat here) https://askubuntu.com/questions/767574/no-network-after-upgrade-to-16-04
[01:14] <pavlos> sunil`: see answers with 15 votes
[01:14] <dekatch> hi, could somebody tell me how to add an "check if file exist then do run command else skip" on this code? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26282156/ // the if [ -f "/dir/file.ext" ]; then // didnt work
[01:15] <sunil`> pavlos: looking...
[01:17] <sunil`> pavlos: /etc/systemd/network exists, but it is empty
[01:18] <pavlos> sunil`: that is a dir, under that create a 20-dhcp if that file does not exist
[01:18] <dekatch> particularly the # if [ -f "/dir"*.*" ]; then      didnt work
[01:19] <dekatch> particularly the # if [ -f "/dir/*.*" ]; then      didnt work
[01:19] <dekatch> it still displayed an "no such file or directory" error message
[01:20] <dekatch> so it obviously skipped the if, then, else code i added
[01:20] <sunil`> pavlos: will do. I also just tried something, so I'm rebooting that laptop again
[01:20] <pavlos> dekatch: is there a different paste? connot see the code
[01:21] <dekatch> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26282156/
[01:21] <TJ-> dekatch: not in that pone
[01:22] <pavlos> dekatch: there is no [ -f file ] in that paste
[01:22] <dekatch> its two different languages who dont work together am i right TJ- ?
[01:22] <dekatch> pavlos, yea i deleted my attempt to "if then else" becuase it didnt work
[01:23] <TJ-> dekatch: you can't use "-f" and a shell glob, it has to be a single file as in  "if [ -f "/path/to/file" ]; then ..."
[01:24] <dekatch> pavlos,  it was an: # if [ -f "/dir/*.*" ]; then
[01:24] <dekatch>  HERE WAS THE STUFF IN THE SCRIPT else fi
[01:24] <dekatch> pavlos,  it was an: # if [ -f "/dir/*.*" ]; then HERE WAS THE STUFF IN THE SCRIPT else fi
[01:24] <dekatch> else echo "no file" fi ***
[01:25] <dekatch> uhm. but those generated files are random name TJ- , i cant define an specific name gosh
[01:25] <pavlos> dekatch: the -f looks for a regular file ... *.* is not
[01:26] <pavlos> dekatch: [ -f /etc/hosts ] is true
[01:27] <dekatch> how could i make the check if file so that it looks for *.* pavlos ?
[01:27] <dekatch> is there a way?
[01:27] <sunil`> pavlos: k, I created that file and populated it with the content in that answer. THen I rebooted. Still no network.
[01:27] <sunil`> pavlos: it might be worth mentioning: this is a clean install. Not an upgrade
[01:27] <sunil`> pavlos: we wiped over windows 10
[01:28] <sunil`> pavlos: we are reasonable certain that the hardware and the cable are good: networking was working under windows 10.
[01:29] <millz> whois sunil`
[01:29] <pavlos> sunil`: did you install using EFI?
[01:29] <millz> oops
[01:29] <dekatch> millz, busted xd
[01:29] <dekatch> you did run an whois on somebody, and that visible to all. you creeped out xd
[01:29] <pavlos> sunil`: you should "try ubuntu" to verify that things work prior to installing
[01:30] <sunil`> pavlos: what is EFI?
[01:30] <pavlos> sunil`: UEFI ... that microsoft thing
[01:30] <dekatch> uefi is the new bios
[01:30] <dekatch> bios / uefi
[01:31] <pavlos> sunil`: https://www.howtogeek.com/56958/htg-explains-how-uefi-will-replace-the-bios/
[01:31] <millz> lol to be fair dekatch I used to work with a person named sunil
[01:31] <millz> thats where the curiosity came from
[01:31] <sunil`> pavlos: I think I've got a live CD of kali around. I might test the system with that
[01:31] <sunil`> ... or just install Kali
[01:32] <pavlos> sunil`: try first to make sure you get an ip from the modem
[01:33] <strixUK> hi (and happy new year all); i'm trying to remotely diagnose a problem with an ubuntu server box that seems to have suffered some hardware failure (probably disc).  i've got as far as a root shell into the machine, thankfully, but wondering what the best way to proceed is.
[01:33] <dekatch> to do what strixUK
[01:34] <dekatch> wow and thats a huge spectrum avail.
[01:34] <strixUK> first, looking at dmesg, i suspect a failed disc (there are four in the machine, and the probably-failed disc isn't root - that's an SSD), so i see errors in dmesg which aren't hugely enlightening.  what next, SMART?
[01:34] <dekatch> there's
[01:34] <strixUK> dekatch: to diagnose exactly what's preventing the machine from booting normally (it's failing over to emergency mode because - i suspect - a disc in an LVM pv is sad)
[01:35] <pavlos> dekatch: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6363441/check-if-a-file-exists-with-wildcard-in-shell-script
[01:35] <strixUK> so first i have to identify the underlying hardware fault.
[01:35] <TJ-> dekatch: "find /path/to/dir -type f 'name '*.*' -ls"
[01:37] <pavlos> strixUK: you can grep for that disk in dmesg and see the errors, smartctl will test the disk and give you a lot of info. Backup first your disk b/c after it fails you're sol
[01:38] <strixUK> as long as smartctl does nothing destructively without explicitly being told to do so it should be okay.
[01:38] <pavlos> strixUK: dmesg | grep error
[01:38] <strixUK> besides, everything i actually care about is on an lvm mirror anyway
[01:38] <pavlos> strixUK: dmesg | grep sda (if sda if your disk)
[01:39] <dekatch> pavlos, i think thats exactly what i did. here is the full script how i approached it https://paste.ubuntu.com/26282279/
[01:39] <pavlos> dekatch: there is a comma instead of a dot
[01:40] <pavlos> dekatch: line 1
[01:40] <dekatch> oh nvm, that. that was an type. i had *.*
[01:40] <dekatch> it right
[01:40] <dekatch> typo*
[01:40] <dekatch> but it didnt work. it displayed an "no such file or directory" error
[01:41] <dekatch> so that if then else didnt work :(
[01:42] <dekatch> the script after ; then. still does its job
[01:43] <dekatch> so i was curios that those two commands dont go together.. because the same if then else script worked well with an find then cp command
[01:43] <dekatch> but "for f ; do  done" is something different. and it is some command i cross searched from various tutorials and threads gosh lol
[01:44]  * dekatch feels like he shouldnt talk xd
[01:46] <kenrin> Why are you running scripts if you don't know what they do
[01:46] <dekatch> pavlos, . this worked well https://paste.ubuntu.com/26282318/
[01:46] <pavlos> dekatch: does this work? for f in /tmp/*; do echo $f ; done
[01:46] <dekatch> same syntax. but the command after ; then is different
[01:48] <dekatch> kenrin, well i know what they do. i first check if a file exist and then i copy it to some directory, the other script has to check if a file exist and then renames it to its directory name and a third script later has to move them all to some prev folder
[01:48] <dekatch> the basic command works. just the "check if file" doesnt work
[01:49] <dekatch> sounds kinda confusing. i just read what i wrote lol
[01:50] <dekatch> but they key function works. just the "check if file" on my second script doesnt work as intented :(
[01:50] <dekatch> it displays many errors when i run it
[01:51] <pavlos> dekatch: change the for loop to look for * not *.*
[01:52] <pavlos> dekatch: and echo $f so you know whats going on
[02:01] <dekatch> kenrin, well i know what they do. i first check if a folder exists and then i cd into that folder and copy the first file (numerical order) to another directory, the other script has to check if a file exist and then rename it to its directory name and a third script later has to move them all to some prev folder
[02:02] <dekatch> feel like i should be more consistent on correct grammr. gosh
[02:03] <dekatch> i hate me for not being some linux guru :( those are so worthy around our com. wish i could work as some programmer or as dev or in some data centre
[02:03] <dekatch> ill try that pavlos thank you
[02:06] <dekatch> the background on my attempt is setting up some surveillance stuff. its all hobby, but i appreciate your help very much
[02:06] <dekatch> but when i fail i can life on :P lol
[02:25] <strixUK> pavlos: thanks; grepping for errors, in this case, is not being super helpful because the problem involves lvm.  what's super weird is that i am next to certain that the "failed" disc has two LVs on it, one of which is mirrored, and pvdisplay -m seems to suggest that's okay (though it's possible it might actually only be using one of the two mirrors)
[02:26] <strixUK> the second of the two LVs on that PV is the one that is throwing errors (block page reads)
[02:26] <strixUK> which suggests that that the disc is at least partly working, but perhaps there are bad sectors where the second LV is
[02:28] <strixUK> it's also complaining that it doesn't know what the PV name of the broken LV is, even though it does with the first LV
[02:28] <strixUK> there *are* some errors in dmesg, but those relate to an LV on another disc again that is actually working just fine
[02:30] <krat0s> hola, algun hispanohablante ?
[02:31] <pavlos> !es | krat0s
[02:32] <krat0s> pavlos, hola tengo problemas con mi rt3072 en debian 9
[02:32] <krat0s> ubottu Gracias bro
[02:33] <krat0s> ubuntu-es
[02:33] <krat0s> #ubuntu-es
[02:33] <krat0s> jajaja
[02:33] <krat0s> ya se como es perdon
[02:33] <jeffrey_f> coming back from a lock screen, the system refuses my password and yes, the password is confirmed to be correct because I can log into the CLI
[02:34] <dekatch> can you logout of the cli? and log into the system instead?
[02:35] <jeffrey_f> dekatch, I switch to tty3 and can log in without an issue
[02:36] <dekatch> uhm, no idea then i guess
[02:36] <jeffrey_f> If I pkill my user, I can then log into the GUI
[02:36] <pavlos> krat0s: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
[02:36] <dekatch> sounds strange overall
[02:37] <jeffrey_f> dekatch, Strange yes, but plenty of problems with the same issue in the forums
[02:37] <dekatch> krat0s, /join #ubuntu-es
[02:38] <thebardian> Hello, can somebody tell me what is the kde default shortcut key for maximize my active window?
[02:38] <thebardian> Quite random. Sorry!
[02:39] <jrp93> does win + up arrow not work
[02:40] <dekatch> thebardian, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1754809 ?
[02:41] <dekatch> i wish there was some script running who could filter the users question and answeres it with google hits as first attempt to help
[02:41] <dekatch> if none of the google hits lead to some usefull results all the pros can go all over it
[02:43] <dekatch> useful*
[02:43] <dekatch> gosh my english grammar
[02:43] <thebardian> jrp93: no it does not
[02:43] <thebardian> dekatch: thanks sorry. reading
[02:44] <dekatch> By default maximise is Alt+F11 and minimise is Alt+F10
[02:44] <dekatch> that thread is from 2011 tho. but i dont think ubuntu changes key functions on a yearly basis
[02:44] <dekatch> ubuntu is not apple !X
[02:45] <jrp93> only DE with good default hotkeys is cinnamon
[02:45] <thebardian> Yeah that's not working either, may have borked something. I have a more custom setup than standard ubuntu kde, going to head over to #kde
[02:46] <thebardian> thanks
[02:46] <dekatch> no need to be sorry. just had some generic thought i think most had. but i am also just an user, but my first attempt is to feed search engines with my question
[03:09] <klebane> I am having problem loading ppa
[03:11] <klebane> I get a message that there is no pubkey
[03:12] <klebane> Public key not available
[03:12] <klebane> Gpg error
[03:14] <klebane> How do i go about adding the pubkey
[03:15] <klebane> I am trying to get plasma to update within kubuntu
[03:16] <klebane> I am trying to use the kubuntu backports ppa
[03:16] <gambl0re> is the best way to install packages to use apt-get?
[03:17] <gambl0re> whats the difference between apt-get wget, apt install, curl -L etc..
[03:17] <gambl0re> im so confused
[03:19] <Ben64> apt-get gets packages from repositories, wget gets things from http or ftp, apt install installs things from repository, curl is similar to wget
[03:26] <tezogmix> how do you go about vetting a PPA? are the ones we find on launchpad generally ok?
[03:26] <Ben64> they're 3rd party completely unsupported. anyone can make a ppa
[03:27] <tezogmix> it seems there's quite a bit of ppa's in those regards Ben64
[03:28] <klebane> What does it mean that ppa has a key
[03:29] <klebane> I am having problem with an update because ppa has a gpg error.... It is not signed
[03:31] <klebane> I get message that there is no point
[03:31] <klebane> Pubkey
[03:32] <tezogmix> Ben64, are those things we randomly come across on launchpad/ppa's the only way they can be installed (i.e. not compiled on our own). For example, let's take firefox-esr. how would you install that?
[03:33] <Bashing-om> klebane: Pastebin ' sudo apt update ' so we see the PPA source and the error in context .
[03:33] <gambl0re> so if im installing one package using wget, another from apt-get and another packing using apt install, is this bad practice?
[03:33] <gambl0re> will just make everything messy?
[03:33] <tezogmix> Ben64, for context, I installed the PPA repository for firefox esr 1st
[03:34] <tezogmix> and then installed firefox-esr afterwards from the command line... not sure if I could have avoided the ppa command line inclusions altogether
[03:35] <tezogmix> that PPA was from the mozilla team but now that you mentioned it and googling a bit more, it shows that particular firefox esr has a bunch of different folks posting their own PPA related to firefox esr
[03:36] <tezogmix> so the question was more on a best practice approach habit to keep in mind while beginning to use ubuntu
[03:38] <klebane_> here is what I get when I do sudo apt update:
[03:38] <klebane_> sudo apt update Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu artful InRelease [20.7 kB] Hit:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful InRelease                        Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-updates InRelease [78.6 kB]      Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-security InRelease [78.6 kB] Err:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu artful InRelease   The following signatur
[03:38] <klebane_> sudo apt update Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu artful InRelease [20.7 kB] Hit:2 http://archive.ubuntu
[03:39] <klebane_>  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu artful InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu artful InRelease' i
[03:39] <Bashing-om> !paste | klebane
[03:42] <klebane_> here is my paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/26282891/
[03:43] <Ben64> you need to add that key
[03:44] <klebane_> how do i add that key
[03:45] <Ben64> if you google 2836CB0A8AC93F7A it has many links to how to do it
[03:45] <Bashing-om> klebane: ' sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 2836CB0A8AC93F7A ' .
[03:47] <klebane_> i will try that thanks.....
[03:53] <klebane_> when i try to get key added I get the following error message https://paste.ubuntu.com/26282940/
[04:04] <Bashing-om> klebane: Do not know, should have worked . no internet connection ? what results ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' ?
[04:10] <klebane_> --- ubuntu.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 188.834/215.997/240.264/21.095 ms
[04:14] <Bashing-om> klebane: Well, a connection is not the problem, I see no error in the command syntax , Above my skill set at this time to resolve . maybe,' sudo apt update ; sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 2836CB0A8AC93F7A ' again ??
[04:19] <sally44> hi every body
[04:19] <Acherontius> Hi!
[04:20] <sally44> how can i delete the temps files in xubuntu
[04:21] <Acherontius> For general system cleanup, maybe give Stacer a try? https://github.com/oguzhaninan/Stacer
[04:22] <sally44> whats that?
[04:22] <sally44> stacer?
[04:22] <Acherontius> Just a nice utility that has the ability to clean out app caches super simply
[04:23] <sally44> aha.is it safe
[04:23] <sally44> to installl ana use
[04:24] <Acherontius> I've used before with no issues. The source is all available there on github. Haven't heard anyone have any complaints so far
[04:25] <sally44> ill try
[04:25] <sally44> thanks
[04:27] <Acherontius> No problem!
[04:48] <Dexx1_> When I try to copy files to my USB flash drive, it says "Destination is read only" -- I tried doing 'sudo chown myusername /dev/sdb1' and 'sudo chown myusername /media/usb_drive' with no luck. Any ideas?
[04:48] <tsarompy> it doesnt have a lock on it does it
[04:49] <tsarompy> sudo chown -R user:user /media/usb_drive
[04:49] <tsarompy> or mount with umask
[04:49] <tsarompy> mount -t auto /path/to/device /media/usb_drive -o umask=000
[04:56] <cstk421> getting error /var/run/php5-fpm.sock failed (2: No such file or directory)
[04:56] <cstk421> can php5 be installed on ubuntu ?
[04:56] <cstk421> i cant use 5.6 already tried that
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> im looking for a package or way to make it easy sending a picture to hotmail via ubuntu for an older customer that uses unity
[05:00] <guest-chjw4i> hello
[05:00] <guest-chjw4i> #hello
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> hello guest-chjw4i what can we do for you?
[05:01] <guest-chjw4i> # reloading my mofo usb  stick i set a user name and i can only log in as guest
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> guest-chjw4i: start from the beginning mate, without swearing please...whats happening on wich ubuntu version?
[05:03] <guest-chjw4i> its called mofo is Ubuntu software lol
[05:03] <guest-chjw4i> is not cussing
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> oh my bad then guest-chjw4i
[05:03] <guest-chjw4i> # live usb
[05:04] <guest-chjw4i> # need to reload live how please
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> guest-chjw4i: what do you mean by reload and wich ubuntu version plz?
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> guest-chjw4i: you installed ubuntu try or install and cant login to your username after install?
[05:06] <guest-chjw4i> #MOFO version is on windows/ erase and reinstall with my usb live jump drive in bios
[05:06] <guest-chjw4i> yes.. on have guest acess
[05:06] <guest-chjw4i> guestb access only
[05:07] <guest-chjw4i> wont take user pass code
[05:07] <guest-chjw4i> reinstall in bios how
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> guest-chjw4i: bios & ubuntu install or 2 different things...please try to explain yourself a bit?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> guest-chjw4i: english is not your native language?
[05:09] <guest-chjw4i> i have ubuntu #MOFO wipe reinstall instruc. how usb live image
[05:09] <guest-chjw4i> im born in ks. been blood line to the slave era
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> guest-chjw4i: sorry mate you dont make sense to me...please try to tell us whats your end goal?
[05:10] <guest-chjw4i> us is all i know, America A1
[05:10] <guest-chjw4i> Auzi, mate hard rest
[05:10] <edisonbulb> why is gnome-software so buggy
[05:11] <edisonbulb> (no particular problem, just wondering)
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> edisonbulb: we dont take polls here mate
[05:11] <guest-chjw4i> bugs are from lack of user experience
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> edisonbulb: if you find something buggy, i sggest a !bug
[05:12] <edisonbulb> my experience installing regular packages is okay, but installing snap packages in gnome-software for me has had an almost 100% fail rate even on clean installs
[05:12] <guest-chjw4i> seems that way
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> edisonbulb: please explain fail rate
[05:14] <edisonbulb> definition of fail: the package fails to install midway & the cancel button does not actually cancel ; definition of success: the package installs without issue ; definition of fail rate: an informal approximation of the ratio of fails to successes
[05:14] <guest-chjw4i> fail rate? depends if you can code theres lots of solutions if you understand terminal commands
[05:15] <edisonbulb> i guess i can't really complain unless i'm willing to roll up my sleeves and actually contribute :)
[05:15] <guest-chjw4i> this is my first my friend popinh my cheery
[05:16] <loongworks> hello everyone!
[05:16] <edisonbulb> loongworks, hello!
[05:16] <loongworks> goodbye.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> !chat | guest-chjw4i
[05:16] <edisonbulb> loongworks, goodbye!
[05:17] <guest-chjw4i> yup
[05:47] <ghostnik11> hey are the sets of tools to build a kernel the same sets as it is in ubuntu as it would be in another distro
[05:57] <toshi> hello
[06:01] <s0s51> hello
[06:02] <Bashing-om> s0s51: Hello, ubuntu issue ?
[06:45] <Zythyr> Need help. I am trying to follow this guide for manual full system encryption. However, before installing Ubuntu, I don't have an option for "Use as" to "EFI System Partition" " for the ESP parition. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption/DetailedProcessInstallUbuntu
[07:19] <EriC^> Zythyr, are you trying to install to a uefi machine?
[07:20] <Zythyr> EriC^ I am testing in VirtualBox
[07:20] <EriC^> Zythyr: ah, so legacy
[07:21] <knightwise> yep virtualbox don't do uefi
[07:21] <EriC^> Zythyr: nevermind the part about the efi partition, just select the disk as the location for bootloader and it'll install grub there
[07:21] <Zythyr> EriC^  Acutally I just saw an option in VirtualBox for EFI enable. I never kew it was there
[07:21] <EriC^> Zythyr: yeah, but after installing it won't work with ubuntu, you'll get an uefi shell
[07:21] <EriC^> it work with only windows i think
[07:21] <Zythyr> So i don't have to create a ESP parition?
[07:21] <EriC^> Zythyr: nope, that's only for uefi
[07:22] <Zythyr> So when I do the real install on the laptop that suports UEFI, I HAVE to create teh ESP partition?
[07:23] <EriC^> Zythyr: yeah, it wont boot without it
[07:24] <Zythyr> Okay but for the ESP parition I still don't see the option "Use as EFI system parition". Was it renamed to something else in Ubuntu 16?
[07:25] <EriC^> Zythyr: i think you just double click on it and select efi somewhere
[07:25] <Zythyr> I see the option "Reserved BIOS boot area". Is that the same as "EFI System Parition"
[07:25] <EriC^> no
[07:26] <EriC^> maybe cause you're booted in legacy mode it doesn't offer the option?
[07:26] <Zythyr> EriC^ https://imgur.com/a/tmTxb
[07:28] <EriC^> Zythyr: is there anything other than Use as? such as type or so?
[07:30] <Zythyr> EriC^ Nvm, I just fixed it. In VirtualBox, I went to Settings>>System and Enabled EFI
[07:30] <Zythyr>  Now it shows me hte option
[07:31] <EriC^> ah cool
[07:32]  * alkisg confirms that virtualbox properly supports ubuntu efi installations, he has some of them...
[07:32] <Zythyr> EriC^ Thanks for pointing me the EFI settings. I am still a noob so don't understand much for this EFI stuff
[07:32] <alkisg> Good morning all btw
[07:33] <EriC^> alkisg: out of the box? i always got a shell after installing in uefi mode
[07:33] <alkisg> Yes, out of the box
[07:33] <alkisg> My host is stock 16.04
[07:33] <EriC^> Zythyr: no problem
[07:33] <EriC^> alkisg: that is odd, i've only ever tried with 14.04 tbh
[07:34] <alkisg> EriC^: maybe there were bug fixes in 16.04 for it...
[07:34] <Zythyr> EriC^ alkisg Do you guys know much about encryption?
[07:35] <EriC^> alkisg: it wasnt like a bug, i remember someone saying its designed to just work with windows or something
[07:35] <alkisg> Zythyr: personally I have no use for full disk encryption, and I only have a specific Private folder that's encrypted
[07:35] <EriC^> Zythyr: i'm like 1/4 , what's the problem or question?
[07:38] <Zythyr> I want to create a personal home server (laptop) for basic file storage and webserver. I am paranoid that a theif will steal laptop and have full access to my data. I want to encrypt my data so that if HDD is every stolen, I don't have to worry. My only concern is that the encryption shouldn't create issues with webserver (ex: Seafile for filesyncing). Usually Seafile reqiures automatic start
[07:38] <Zythyr> of the servero n boot and other applications like MySQL...
[07:40] <alkisg> Full disk encryption should suit your use case then
[07:40] <alkisg> You'd need to input the password while booting afaik
[07:41] <Zythyr> I am using this guide for full desk encryption. However, this guide makes me create 3 seperate paritions: boot (/boot), root (/), and data (/home). Can't I just lump everything in one parition? Do I need to do 3 partitions?
[07:41] <Zythyr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption
[07:42] <alkisg> Manual? Isn't there a guid for Automatic?
[07:42] <EriC^> Zythyr: yeah can, you have to do that post install though, and edit grub to know about it
[07:43] <EriC^> Zythyr: just the /boot /root part, you can have /home and /root together preinstall easily
[07:44] <Zythyr> EriC^ Wait what? What do i need to edit in grub and why?
[07:44] <alkisg> Zythyr: this seems saner to me, although I *wouldn't* use LVM: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/11/privacy-ubuntu-1210-full-disk-encryption
[07:44] <EriC^> Zythyr: http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/
[07:44] <alkisg> I.e. just check "encrypt disk" in the installer, and that's all
[07:45] <Zythyr> alkisg Yes there is a automatic mode for Ubuntu isntall. But I have no idea what it does and how it does it and how I can manualy maanage the paritions post install. I am kinda doing hte manual process to also learn for fun
[07:45] <EriC^> Zythyr: you need to add "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y" to /etc/default/grub and run update-grub (after moving /boot to / and removing it from fstab)
[07:45] <alkisg> Zythyr: automatic installations also usually means more maintained upgrades or more compatibility later on
[07:46] <EriC^> Zythyr: it's so that grub has the modules to decrypt / and read /boot to show you the grub menu
[07:47] <Zythyr> alkisg Good point. Automaticaly method will ensure I have stability if I do any updates. However it just esrases the entire disk and creates the paritions. I have way to control swap space size and other stuff
[07:47] <EriC^> Zythyr: the only partition you cant get away with encrypting is the esp cause your bios needs to read it
[07:49] <Zythyr> EriC^ Give a little bit. I need to read ahead in the guide to understand this GRUB thing and /boot
[07:49] <Zythyr> alkisg You're right through. I will most likely just end up using automatic mode for real server. I am just doing it manually as a learning process
[08:09] <Zythyr> EriC^ alkisg Can I do manual encryption where sda1 parition is ESP sda2 parition is SWAP sda3 parition is root / and sda4 parition is the actual encrypted /home parition? If I do this, will I ahve to worry about fixing boot and grub and all the other stuff?
[08:10] <EriC^> Zythyr: yeah you could just install ubuntu as usual, and for your user make it so his home is encrypted
[08:10] <EriC^> without luks, just using ecryptfs
[08:11] <EriC^> the installer has an option 'encrypt home dir' in the last step when you type your username
[08:12] <Zythyr> EriC^ Ahh no i don't want to do the ecryptfs. Like I tried that method and the issue is my Seafile server wasn't running properly becasue the home doens't get decrypted until I login and then I have to manually start the server
[08:14] <EriC^> ah
[08:36] <Zythyr> So I did a install of Ubuntu 16 where all the parititons were unencrypted except for my sda4 data partion which mounts the /home. Is it safe for me to assume I don't have to mess with anything after install other than editing the crypttab file (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption/DetailedProcessFixBrokenPieces). I don't have to edit boot/grub/or fix anything else?
[08:37] <alkisg> Zythyr: didn't you say that you also want encrypted mysql etc dirs? Those aren't in home...
[08:40] <Zythyr> alkisg Good point. I am guessing mysql databases and other stuff don't need to be encrypted. Correct me if I am wrong, but when I am running a seafile server, the database would just point to the files located in the /home??
[08:44] <alkisg> Zythyr: I haven't ever used seafile, but in general, servers put things in /srv or in /var
[08:46] <Zythyr> alkisg Seafile is an opensource project similar to OwnCloud. Has file syncing like Dropbox. I have played with Seafile. It lets me choose where files are stored.
[08:49] <alkisg> Zythyr: I can only imagine. I imagine that there's a seafile daemon that stores settings etc in /var. The files may be in /home, but the daemon settings would still be unencrypted.
[08:49] <alkisg> Also, your /etc/shadow with the user hashes would be unencrypted
[08:49] <alkisg> In general, if you're "paranoid" as you said, it might be better to use full disk encryption..
[08:50] <Zythyr> alkisg EriC^ Okay so its confirmed a success! I followed this guide but I did NOT encrypt the root/boot paritions. I only encrypted the data partion which I mount the /home to. In the end all I ahve to do is update the crypttab file. On every boot, it will ask me the passphrase and then boot into Ubuntu as normal. I am guessing with this method if HDD is ever stolen, theif will have access to
[08:50] <Zythyr> my system files, SWAP, etc.. but nothing inside my /home. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption/DetailedProcess
[08:50] <EriC^> Zythyr: yup thats right
[08:51] <Zythyr> alkisg What does this mean? "your /etc/shadow with the user hashes would be unencrypted"
[08:54] <alkisg> Zythyr: for example, you use a password like 1234. In Linux, this is stored in /etc/shadow. If someone steals your disk, it's somewhat  likely to brute-force find your password given that hash. And if you use that password in other sites, he'll be able to access them.
[08:55] <alkisg> *I meant, not the actual password, but a product called "hash" is stored in /etc/shadow
[08:55] <alkisg> In general, there may be things with sensitive information outside home
[08:59] <Zythyr> alkisg Ahh interesting. I didn't know this
[08:59] <Apachez> ikonia: so the debian logo have nothing to do with ubuntu?
[09:00] <Apachez> ikonia: please take your negative attitude elsewhere, it have nothing to do with this channel
[09:00] <Zythyr> alkisg Thanks for pointing it out. I guess for real security I should encrypt the system. I guess the automatic full system encryption is the best method for now. But i learned a lot of new things about Linux by playing with manaul encryption
[09:01] <dax> Apachez: #ubuntu is an Ubuntu technical support channel, so no, a picture of some chickens in a swirl is not for here, since it's not Ubuntu technical support
[09:01] <dax> Apachez: there is #ubuntu-offtopic (or, perhaps more relevantly, #debian-offtopic) for stuff like that
[09:02] <Apachez> oh right so nothing debain related in ubuntu, check
[09:02] <Zythyr> alkisg EriC^ Got to go. Really apprecaite both of your help today. Couldn't have done it without you two
[09:03] <alkisg> bb
[09:04] <Apachez> alkisg: also no need to steal the hardware, all you need to do is to install or configure a bogus software from the repo and the attacker can simply copy your shadowfile
[09:05] <alkisg> Apachez: I imagine if they steal the disk they could even tamper with seafile to send/sync malicious contents to the client computers of Zythyr as well
[09:05] <alkisg> ...things they would'nt be able to do with full disk encryption
[09:06] <EriC^> that's interesting about shadow alkisg
[09:07] <EriC^> i imagine is it quicker to try to brute force ecryptfs for instance, or use oclhash with gpu's to brute the /etc/shadow password
[09:07] <EriC^> which likely would unlock the home dir if the passphrase is wrapped with it
[09:08] <Apachez> alkisg: having the harddrive is no different from being remote root on your system
[09:08] <alkisg> Apachez: it is. Remote root is *after* decryption
[09:08] <Apachez> since you already sit at your computer your drive is already decrypted
[09:08] <alkisg> Having the encrypted drive means you'll have to break encryption first
[09:09] <alkisg> If you steal a drive, you can't decrypt it
[09:09] <Apachez> sure you can
[09:09] <alkisg> That's what encryption is for
[09:09] <Apachez> its a matter of time, resources and backdoors (if any)
[09:09] <Apachez> just look at the iphone vs terrorist vs fbi case in usa last year
[09:09] <alkisg> Eh, that sentence invalidates all of secuity then
[09:09] <Apachez> encryption didnt help the terrorist in that case
[09:10] <EriC^> i wonder if there are places now that offer sort of like a cloud mining contract but utilizes mass gpu hashing to crack encryption
[09:10] <alkisg> Sure it did. It took the FBI hiring an external firm and searching for backdoors
[09:10] <alkisg> It's certainly NOT the same as "remote root" where you already have access
[09:10] <Apachez> EriC^: amazon among others offers gpu vps's but they cost so I dunno if you would win anything from that
[09:10] <Apachez> unless your mined btc or whatever skyrockets to >$100k or so
[09:11] <Apachez> alkisg: fbi wouldnt need to spend millions of taxmoney on some shady company to fix this for them if they already had root on the device
[09:12] <EriC^> yeah im wondering if that's something available now, theoretically how much gpu's would you need to make decrypting standard luks installs somewhat feasible, does it even help?
[09:13] <EriC^> i think it doesn't help, gpu's just help bruteforcing hashes?
[09:14] <EriC^> anyways offtopic, nevermind
[09:16] <Apachez> there were some calculations on breaking the 2048 bits of TPM from infineon
[09:16] <Apachez> I think the current pricetag was approx $80k
[09:16] <Apachez> but prices are also falling
[09:16] <Apachez> or for that matter performance increase for the same pricetag
[09:17] <EriC^> interesting
[09:17] <Apachez> I dont recall if those $80k was to break the 2048 bits within hour or days
[09:30] <freakyy> whats the webapp called again with which u can ... communicate like videochat, voicechat, textchat ... etc. and that open source?
[09:33] <freakyy> ah rocket.chat
[09:35] <alkisg> (11:11:32 πμ) Apachez: alkisg: fbi wouldnt need to spend millions of taxmoney on some shady company to fix this for them if they already had root on the device ==> that's exactly my point, that remote root is waaaaay easier than having to break a state of the art encryption
[10:50] <HoloIRCUser4> Hi
[10:51] <Kbharatht> Need help on installing ubuntu without cd or usb ? Running on Modded Windows 7 ?
[10:51] <Kbharatht> Also i want to completely remove Windows 7.
[10:52] <Kbharatht> I have windows 7 light installed.
[10:53] <Kbharatht> Any volunteers out there, plz give the guidance. Thanks in advance.
[10:54] <Kbharatht> 😀
[10:58] <Kbharatht> Any experts plz ?
[10:58] <alkisg> !repeat
[10:58] <alkisg> Kbharatht: is this a normal pc, or something like e.g. tablet?
[10:58] <Kbharatht> Old p4 with 512mb ram
[10:59] <alkisg> Do you have another pc nearby?
[10:59] <Kbharatht> Nope
[10:59] <alkisg> How skilled are you, have you used console etc?
[10:59] <_Craash_> Why isn't USB an option?
[10:59] <Kbharatht> No cd drive and usb boot not supported
[10:59] <alkisg> Because with your restrictions, it's getting harder :)
[11:00] <alkisg> Do you have a usb pendrive?
[11:00] <Acheron-a> Kbharatht, you BIOS may not allow an install
[11:00] <Kbharatht> I have usb and system supports usb but. Usb booting is not supported
[11:00] <alkisg> OK, then you can usb the plop boot manager
[11:01] <alkisg> This gets installed alongside the windows boot manager, and supports chaining/booting from usb
[11:01] <alkisg> Another option is to put vmlinuz/initrd inside the windows 7 partition, and then tell them to load the rest from the stick
[11:01] <alkisg> This is done using win32-loader.exe
[11:01] <Kbharatht> Unetbootin  will do the same but how do i remove windows
[11:02] <alkisg> After you boot from the stick, you select "install ubuntu while erasing disk"
[11:02] <alkisg> So this removes windows
[11:04] <alkisg> For p4/512 ram, lubuntu or ubuntu-mate 16.04 may be a good option, although the fastest would be windows xp :)
[11:04] <Kbharatht> Thanks for the wonderful solution , Thank you very much alkisg
[11:05] <alkisg> np
[11:05] <Kbharatht> Xp lags lubuntu is perfect with 512ram
[11:05] <alkisg> How many GHz?
[11:05] <alkisg> P4 at 1.7 ghz  lubuntu can't watch youtube
[11:05] <alkisg> P4 at 2.4 with 12.04 yes, with 16.04 no
[11:05] <alkisg> P4 at 3 is fine
[11:06] <alkisg> xp with 1.7 is fine too
[11:06] <alkisg> So if it's at 1.7 or 2.4.... xp is better
[11:38] <rws> How do I get past the lock screen? I can drop down to a terminal session and login, but I cannot unlock unity. (17.04)
[11:38] <XXCoder> if you can get to other tty, you can then kill lock process
[11:38] <XXCoder> I dont know what unity uses for lock screen
[11:38] <lerg> XXCoder.
[11:39] <lerg> Do you code for porn?
[11:40] <rws> XXCoder: I'll try that. What do I grep for the lock process? lock?
[11:40] <XXCoder> yeah no idea
[11:40] <XXCoder> lerg: ah obnly soft porn
[11:48] <EriC^> rws: why can't you unlock unity?
[11:48] <EriC^> i mean what happens when you put the password and press enter?
[11:49] <rws> @EriC^: I enter the password in Unity, it appears to accept it, but then I get returned to the lock screen.
[11:50] <XXCoder> would be funny if it had 0 minute lock screen when idle time
[11:51] <rws> XXCoder: I don't think I did that to myself. How would I know from CLI?
[11:51] <XXCoder> dunno, im kind of guy who knows enough to be dangerous lol
[11:52] <XXCoder> I had to figure how to escape my pc's crashed lock screen so I had to ssh to it and kill xscreensaver hacks that was frozen
[11:52] <XXCoder> thats why I know some of what you can do
[11:55] <rws> This is a very similar post to my circumstance. Unfortunately it never got resolved. https://askubuntu.com/questions/966536/stuck-in-lock-screen-loop-on-ubuntu-17-04#new-answer
[11:56] <XXCoder> well if theres process that calls lock screen you may be able to kill THAT then kill lock screen
[11:56] <XXCoder> problem is knowing what it is, and if it is too important
[11:57] <XXCoder> try ctrl alt backdelete (this should restart X)
[11:57] <EriC^> XXCoder: gnome-screensaver-command -l locks it, but in the process list there's some 'locker' but killing it doesn't help
[11:57] <EriC^> rws: do you need the actual session back? you could just restart lightdm, and start a fresh session
[11:58] <EriC^> you'd lose all your data though
[12:00] <rws> EriC^: No I do not need the session back. I can sudo reboot, and Unity comes back to the lock screen.
[12:00] <alkisg> rws: in MATE, when the screensaver bugs, I press alt+ctrl+f1, login, killall mate-screensaver, alt+ctrl+f7 and it's fine
[12:00] <alkisg> Screensaver is locked then
[12:00] <alkisg> *unlocked
[12:00] <rws> alkisg: Thanks, but I'm in Unity (17.04)
[12:00] <EriC^> rws: i think you have just a normal login loop going on
[12:01] <XXCoder> alkisg: if mate-screensaver is fork of xscreensaver may need to also kill hacks. I had to, may be because xscreensaver (or its hacks) crashed.
[12:01] <alkisg> mate-screensaver is a fork of gnome-screensaver
[12:01] <alkisg> Not of xscreensaver
[12:01] <EriC^> rws: from the terminal check 'ls -l ~/.Xauthority' that it's owned by your user
[12:02] <alkisg> rws: are you sure that it's not just "failed to login or xorg crashed or incorrect /home/username permissions" etc?
[12:02] <alkisg> ps aux from vt1 would tell you
[12:02] <alkisg> If you see user processes, then a session is running, if not, no
[12:02] <rws> EriC^: It could be, but my login account owns .Xauthority and .ICEauthority.
[12:03] <XXCoder> isnt gnome-screensaver itself fork from xscreensaver?
[12:03] <EriC^> rws: aha, is it a problem with starting x? try from the terminal 'DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm'
[12:03] <alkisg> XXCoder: i imagine one uses gtk and the other xorg api, so I imagine no
[12:03] <rws> alkisg: It does not appear to be a permissions issue on /home/username
[12:03] <XXCoder> probably not. hey alkisg is there a way to check log on that you menioned
[12:04] <alkisg> rws: (1) try to login (2) then login from vt1 (3) the run ps aux and see if a session is running
[12:04] <alkisg> rws: if it's not running, then it's a completely different problem with what you linked
[12:05] <rws> EriC^: I get what appears to be xterm in a very small window with no borders
[12:07] <rws> alkisg: Not sure I am following you. Do I grep for session?
[12:08] <EriC^> try ps aux | grep Xorg
[12:10] <rws> EriC^: There appear to be two processes running with Xorg. One owned by root. One owned by username.
[12:11] <rws> Nevermind. second one is the grep
[12:11] <rws> The one owned by root is /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg
[12:12] <EriC^> brb
[12:15] <Guest48391> rws: does 'ps aux | grep unity' give a ton of stuff?
[12:15] <Neo3> hi
[12:16] <Neo3> how many memory need for vmware and windows on it?
[12:16] <XXCoder> depends on which windows
[12:16] <Neo3> 10
[12:17] <XXCoder> you just need 4 mb for windows 95 for example heh
[12:17] <Neo3> I'm going install windows 10 and put there a few lignt apps
[12:17] <Neo3> XXCoder: for 10 less?
[12:17] <Neo3> 10 we can install on phone
[12:17] <XXCoder> lol no, windows 95 was released in 1995
[12:17] <XXCoder> old os
[12:18] <Neo3> XXCoder: oh mb, I thought gb )))
[12:18] <Guest48391> rws: sample output http://termbin.com/zdye
[12:18] <XXCoder> Neo3: hmm laptop I have can run windows 10, bit slowly with 1 gb ram
[12:18] <XXCoder> add some more for vm machine itself
[12:19] <Neo3> XXCoder: no, I have 8Gb RAM, gnome eats 2Gb like windows 10, RAM is enough
[12:19] <Neo3> for VM
[12:19] <XXCoder> yeah should be fine then
[12:20] <Neo3> XXCoder: I think probably phonoshop can work also fast )
[12:21] <Neo3> XXCoder: interesting csgo exists for linux )
[12:21] <Neo3> I play it
[12:21] <XXCoder> no idea what csgo is heh
[12:21] <Neo3> XXCoder: game
[12:21] <XXCoder> ah
[12:21] <Neo3> dota2 and csgo, steam games
[12:22] <Neo3> there exists steam client for linux, probably some of steam game we can setup for linux too
[12:22] <XXCoder> yep depends on game dev
[12:34] <rws> XXCoder alkisg Guest48391 EriC^: My apologies. I have had a real world interruption and will have to return to my issue another time.
[12:34] <XXCoder> later
[12:45] <Neo3> rsa key should be in ~/.ssh?
[12:45] <Neo3> I have four key ppa  and four pub that I did in putty, can I reuse it for linux?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:46] <Neo3> where I should save them? in ~ .ssh folder?
[12:48] <Neo3> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1514638113.png
[12:49] <Neo3> should I create new ssh keys? I've already have a few and want to reuse them...
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Neo3, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[13:01] <kandinski> Hi, on updating to ubuntu 17.04 I've found that synergy no longer syncs the clipboard with the MacOS synergy client I also use.
[13:02] <kandinski> I'm googling of the issue, but can't find a solution.
[13:10] <brainwash> kandinski: is that really 17.04 or .10?
[13:10] <brainwash> kandinski: https://github.com/symless/synergy-core/issues/6192
[13:14] <brainwash> 17.04 is only supported until Jan 2018, so you will have to upgrade now anyway
[13:14] <kandinski> 17.04
[13:14] <kandinski> I don't want to upgrade for now
[13:14] <brainwash> any reason why not?
[13:14] <brainwash> we can't help with unsupported ubuntu versions
[13:15] <kandinski> because I like Unity, and because friends have told me they didn't like issues they've seen on their laptops
[13:15] <brainwash> you can still have Unity in 17.10
[13:15] <kandinski> well, it's still supported, isn't it? for 24 more hours, where I live.
[13:15] <kandinski> oh, how can I have unity in 17.10?
[13:16] <kandinski> I'll install it on a usb keydrive to test it
[13:16] <kandinski> thanks
[13:16] <brainwash> make sure that the package "unity" is (still) installed, and select the Unity session from the login screen
[13:17] <kandinski> I'll do that. Cheers.
[13:18] <TaZeR> UBUNTU... it really kicks the lammas ass! mmmehhhh
[13:19] <PTNapivoski> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/001/007/WAT.jpg
[13:58] <onio> Hi I am having problem with Bluetooth intermittently not working. I have think I am narrowed it down to some "bin" files not being loaded.
[13:59] <onio> see dmesg during a "work/not working" session https://paste.ubuntu.com/26285299/
[14:02] <TheWild> hello
[14:02] <TheWild> yesterday I just installed Ubuntu 16.04.3 on my Dell laptop but hadn't tested it yet.
[14:03] <TheWild> Testing today.  I want to enter settings and it hangs immediately.
[14:03] <onio> BTW I am running ubuntu 16.04 mate LTS on Dell XP 13
[14:04] <TheWild> I have no chance to enter tty once it locks up. I'm left with SysRq-B.
[14:11] <dv`> Hi. Is there a guide on how to install ubuntu 17.10 onto raid1?
[14:15] <Neo3> I forgot channels for ubuntu server?
[14:15] <Neo3> I've forgot
[14:17] <Neo3> have a few theoretical question about ssh
[14:18] <Neo3> openssh is standar, in windows I'd made a 3 keys, ppa, pup, and openssh
[14:18] <Neo3> openssh is standard, putty is use ppa only? or no
[14:20] <Neo3> in linux we do only opensshkey and .pub, in putty we can open pub key and recreate from him both ppa and openssh. if we want part key from linux to windows we need only pub key?
[14:21] <Neo3> well, this is broad and not simple them... passed it :)
[14:23] <onio> Hi I am having problem with Bluetooth intermittently not working. I have think I am narrowed it down to some "bin" files not being loaded.
[14:23] <onio> see dmesg during a "work/not working" session https://paste.ubuntu.com/26285299/
[14:24] <onio> BTW I am running ubuntu 16.04 mate LTS on Dell XP 13
[14:24] <gambl0re> is zsh and terminal the same thing?
[14:25] <EriC^^> gambl0re: zsh is a shell, terminal is the terminal (like a console) and shell is the main program that takes your commands and runs them
[14:25] <gambl0re> why would someone need zsh?
[14:25] <EriC^^> different specs i guess to each his own preferences and stuff
[14:42] <zhangzhao> ni hao
[14:43] <alberto> hola
[14:44] <EriC^^> !es | alberto
[14:47] <ztane> hmm this wayland stuff is so flaky :(
[14:48] <ztane> I've got dual display setup with external portrait display
[14:48] <TheWild> sh. works (settings) after reinstalling Ubunto. No idea what went wrong with previous installation.
[14:48] <ztane> I've got some areas on the screen where the mouse cursor appears on *both* displays at the same time :D
[14:49] <ztane> it is rather hard when there are some positions where you actually are clicking in 2 windows at a time
[14:50] <ztane> ... so decided to tweak some settings and didn't like them, told the dialog to "revert the new display settings, please" -> black screen, 1-finger salute.
[14:52] <Neo3> I do this
[14:52] <Neo3> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>.ssh/host-food-neo_rsa
[14:52] <Neo3> and get error permission denied (publickey)
[14:53] <ztane> Neo3:  -i .ssh/....
[14:53] <Neo3> then I do this
[14:53] <Neo3><EMAIL_ADDRESS>.ssh/host-food-neo_rsq.pub
[14:53] <Neo3> equal error
[14:53] <geirha> ssh -i ~/.ssh/host-food-neo_rsq<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:53] <ztane> Neo3: without -i that is taken as the *command* to execute on the remote server...
[14:54] <Neo3> ztane: o, thanks with -i works, You are genius
[14:54] <Neo3> geirha: yes
[14:54] <mejnour> Hello guys! About a month ago I fresh installed ubuntu 17.10. Since then Software Updater keeps asking me to update my firmware. Thing is, every single time it says TPM is Owned. I googled and tryed to read about it but almost every topic I've read people give instructions on Windows machines. Is there a way to solve this on Ubuntu?
[15:05] <gambl0re> if i already installed git package do i still need to git-core?
[15:05] <gambl0re> im trying to install oh my zsh
[15:06] <ghostnik11> how do you set a system folder for read or write via terminal
[15:32] <chakka> Hi there. My (non-encrypted) swap file isn’t used. Any suggestions? My swappiness is currently set to 20 (for testing purposes).
[15:32] <jiffe> so I just installed ubuntu 16.04 desktop and apt-get update is segfaulting
[15:33] <jiffe> *** Error in `appstreamcli': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0000000002814c00 ***
[15:33] <chakka> I’ve 11,6 GiB of RAM and over 20 % are used right now, but my swap file isn’t used at all.
[15:34] <chakka> Sorry! My swappiness is set to 90 of course.
[15:40] <chakka> Has anyone else issues with using the swap file on Ubuntu 17.10?
[15:43] <ztane> chakka: just open firefox and some hundred tabs and :D
[15:43] <redlegion> hahaha
[15:43] <redlegion> that'll do it
[15:43] <pavlos> chakka: how about removing some physical memory (you have 12 GB) from your system so that swap will be used to test ...
[15:43] <ztane> it is difficult to use firefox and *not* consume all the ram
[15:44] <chakka> pavlos: It’s impossible to remove some RAM. It’s an laptop (Asus Zenbook).
[15:47] <chakka> pavlos: Is your swap file used when you set swappines to – say – 90/95?
[15:47] <chakka> pavlos: The command is “sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=90”.
[15:47] <pavlos> chakka: no, I have 16 GB on the desktop so swap is never used even if I set it to 100
[15:47] <chakka> pavlos: No reboot needed.
[15:48] <chakka> pavlos: Why is that?! If you set it to 100 it should use the swap immediately!
[15:49] <pavlos> chakka: here's a read about swap, https://askubuntu.com/questions/157793/why-is-swap-being-used-even-though-i-have-plenty-of-free-ram
[15:50] <chakka> pavlos: Thanks. But nothing new for me.
[15:51] <chakka> pavlos: It confirms my statement.
[15:54] <funabashi> hey guys i cant drag and drop files to my usb drive
[16:01] <chakka> Is anyone using a swap file (instead of a swap partition) and would try to force swapping, so I can tell however it’s a local issue?
[16:14] <pavlos> chakka: you can use 'stress' to simulate load on a system and exhaust memory, then swap will be used.
[16:17] <donofrio> does a noroot arm8 image exist to allow you to run ubuntu on android (chroot-only) userspace ubuntu?  like what I can do with "debian noroot" from the play store?
[16:38] <soee_> hi. i have ssd disk that was used to store /home directory. Now i have system and /home on different partitions and i would liek to copy various files from old dis files/accounts but somehow they are protected and i can't do that. Any idea how can i access this old disk data to copy files?
[16:41] <skinux> Can anyone expliain why my system is deciding to disconnect from our router and connect to a wireless extender that uses our router?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> skinux, signal strength ?
[16:43] <skinux> Nah, signal stength is fine.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> proximity then
[16:44] <userb> soee_: if old disk is not encrypted, then read about chown command. https://www.computerhope.com/unix/uchown.htm
[16:44] <skinux> The extender is further away than the router itself.
[16:45] <skinux> Hmm. Is there a way to make a "block" configuration, where the system will never use the extender?
[16:57] <ghostnik11> can someone help me with getting system mounted as rw, i have tried everything, every time i run the command via terminal or app i get permission denied, https://imagebin.ca/v/3mUWWTkpN595
[17:02] <redlegion> ghostnik11: what filesystem?
[17:02] <redlegion> suppose i can just look at your shared link
[17:02] <ghostnik11> redlegion, its system in my /dev/loop1
[17:03] <ghostnik11> redlegion, i have run the mount -o remount,rw /dev/loop1 and it blocks me and its just i don't understand
[17:05] <SynthPop> somebody on?
[17:05] <ghostnik11> redlegion it should just work, i can't understand why everything else is rw expect for that one directory which is what i need read or write so i can change asound.conf and make sound work, which works in ubuntu but doesn't in android x86 and the fix is simple but i can't gain access unless i have it mounted as system. i tried from the ubuntu side to just try and load it but its locked and doesn't come up even when i tell ar
[17:05] <SynthPop> hello
[17:05] <leftyfb> !ask | SynthPop
[17:06] <redlegion> ghostnik11: loop is strictly for mounting files as block devices
[17:06] <redlegion> i haven't really used it much, though
[17:07] <leftyfb> ghostnik11: you're trying to do with from within Android?
[17:08] <SynthPop> can you flood this ip for me pls   <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:08] <leftyfb> SynthPop: please type /part
[17:08] <SynthPop> :)
[17:08] <SynthPop> ok
[17:09] <ghostnik11> leftyfb yeah its the only way, i tried doing it from ubuntu but the android x86 7.1.1 comes up as a tar file and when i went into it via archiever it only showed me the regular files and not system
[17:09] <leftyfb> ghostnik11: Sorry, but your issue has nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:09] <ghostnik11> redlegion okay even though its only suppose to mount files as block devices why can't it be mounted with read and write?
[17:09] <leftyfb> ghostnik11: you should try #android
[17:10] <ghostnik11> leftyfb i have tried android0-x86, android and no one has responded. i have check  stackexchange and a whole list of other sites
[17:11] <leftyfb> ghostnik11: Keep looking. Unfortunately, your issue has absolutely nothing to do with ubuntu. This is not the appropriate place to seek support for your issue.
[17:17] <masterslinux> Hello?
[17:18] <leftyfb> !ask | masterslinux
[17:23] <Neo3> who know the best gnome theme?
[17:23] <Neo3> this current has big title, I'm going to change theme
[17:23] <Neo3> advise witch is one to use?
[17:23] <leftyfb> Neo3: that's not really a support question. That is personal preference that only you can answer.
[17:24] <masterslinux> My question I would like to as today, is how many people or big the market share is for linux?
[17:26] <leftyfb> masterslinux: your question is not a support question and not related to Ubuntu specifically.
[17:26] <leftyfb> masterslinux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
[17:26] <leftyfb> masterslinux: https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?options=%7B%22filter%22%3A%7B%22%24and%22%3A%5B%7B%22deviceType%22%3A%7B%22%24in%22%3A%5B%22Desktop%2Flaptop%22%5D%7D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22dateLabel%22%3A%22Trend%22%2C%22attributes%22%3A%22share%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22platform%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%7B%22share%22%3A-1%7D%2C%22id%22%3A%22platformsDesktop%22%2C%22dateInterval%22%3A%22Monthly%22%2C%22dateStart%22%3A%222016-12%22%2C%2
[17:26] <leftyfb> 2dateEnd%22%3A%222017-11%22%2C%22segments%22%3A%22-1000%22%7D
[17:29] <semitones_rex> hey i'm looking for current information: what is the best format for an external hdd to be used for ubuntu and windows both?
[17:30] <brainwash> you mean file system
[17:31] <semitones_rex> yes is NTFS the best
[17:31] <brainwash> I would think so
[17:31] <leftyfb> then why ask the question?
[17:31] <leftyfb> semitones_rex: https://www.howtogeek.com/73178/what-file-system-should-i-use-for-my-usb-drive/
[17:32] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, have you heard of tinyurl.com
[17:32] <leftyfb> BluesKaj: yep
[17:32] <semitones_rex> Because NTFS is kind of terrible... :( that was the default answer 10 years ago but i wanted to ask y'all experts in case things had changed
[17:35] <al3xxxx> hi
[17:36] <brainwash> semitones_rex: what else would you want to use? something completely new?
[17:36] <brainwash> semitones_rex: or something that would require 3rd party drivers for windows?
[17:36] <al3xxxx> hello
[17:38] <brainwash> hi. got a question?
[17:38] <brainwash> ideally, ubuntu related
[17:40] <kk4ewt> brainwash, then ask
[17:41] <brainwash> al3xxxx is the one in need
[17:42] <lordcirth> brainwash, highlighting people like this makes it clearer who you are talking to
[17:42] <kk4ewt> for linux and winblows you can always use vfat
[17:42] <al3xxxx> is the terminal commands the same for ubuntu and debian?
[17:43] <lordcirth> al3xxxx, pretty much.  Most commands are similar across all distros; mostly package managers differ
[17:44] <al3xxxx> thanks :)
[17:45] <al3xxxx> things like these make me wonder whats the real diference between distros, i mean apart from package managers
[17:45] <semitones_rex> brainwash, mainly something that doesn't face the problems of NTFS for filestorage. Is exfat a viable choice? I heard it has problems on linux though
[17:46] <semitones_rex> kk4ewt, thanks i'll research it. is it native to windows? Like i could plug it into a friend's computer and not have to install drivers
[17:50] <de-facto> semitones_rex, it probably depends on what kind of data you want to put on it and which features you need: linux probably would be best with ext4 and permissions (can be accessed by windows with http://www.ext2fsd.com/ ), for windows native NTFS probably is best because you also can get permissions on there (can be used in linux aswell, though its not native)
[17:50] <de-facto> also think about which restore options are available in case the HDD gets bad sectors...
[17:51] <semitones_rex> de-facto, as long as this is ontopic for this channel -- would exfat be an improvement over NTFS as far as recovery and defrag goes, for file storage
[17:51] <semitones_rex> *and portability so I could take it to any windows computer and it would plug and play
[17:51] <semitones_rex> with linux i am ok installing drivers
[17:52] <semitones_rex> (as long as they are good quality)
[17:52] <de-facto> tbh i never used extfat, i read the linux driver was not really ready some time ago, not sure about current status
[17:53] <de-facto> also take a look at fsck utils or similar windows restore and repair tools... just in case
[18:00] <de-facto> i always tend to stay conservative with filesystem choices to trust them with my precious data, since I assume the older ones got most bugs squeezed out and the maintainance tools are more mature, yet newer features also might target to improve reliability and restorability over older architectures...
[18:02] <semitones_rex> in that case i may just go with NTFS, which probably has better support than exfat in linux
[18:02] <onio> Hi I am having problem with Bluetooth intermittently not working. I have think I am narrowed it down to some "bin" files not being loaded.
[18:02]  * semitones_rex sheds single tear and reformats external hdd from ext4 to NTFS
[18:07] <eraserpencil> whats the term that allows the cursor to continue going left if you hold down the left key?
[18:08] <onio> can anyone see my post at  all?
[18:09] <eraserpencil> onio: you should paste the output on pastebin for someone else to see
[18:10] <onio> eraserpencil: I did over 3 hours ago :)
[18:10] <onio> eraserpencil: (14:23:46) onio: see dmesg during a "work/not working" session https://paste.ubuntu.com/26285299/
[18:12] <onio> BTW I am running ubuntu 16.04 mate LTS on Dell XP 13
[18:13] <V7> Hey all :)
[18:13] <V7> Is there any ubuntu server 16.04 for i686 ?
[18:18] <semitones_rex> New question: i have some ubuntu partitions i'm trying to read in windows -- does anyone have an ext4 driver for windows that works for them to read ubuntu partitions?
[18:20] <LG96K2A> semitones_rex: https://www.howtogeek.com/112888/3-ways-to-access-your-linux-partitions-from-windows/
[18:25] <BluesKaj> semitones_rex, look for ext2fds, it's the best app for read and write access
[18:25] <brainwash> onio: did you find this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/845019/xps-13-9360-de-bluetooth-connection-problems-and-missing-module/
[18:25] <onio> brainwash: I would have a look thanks
[18:28] <brainwash> onio: you can find a solution on that page if you scroll down to the very bottom
[18:29] <onio> brainwash: It looks like a similar issue.
[18:41] <semitones_rex> BluesKaj, Thanks. I did that, now i'm just checking if my drive is 64 bit mode or not. Says I have to do "getconf LONG_BIT" but i'm gonna man getconf first to see what it is
[18:41] <semitones_rex> wait no, /proc/fs/ext4
[18:42] <onio> brainwash: solution did not work [https://askubuntu.com/questions/845019/xps-13-9360-de-bluetooth-connection-problems-and-missing-module/]
[18:43] <LG96K2A> onio: sorry I'm late to the party, but what's the issue?
[18:44] <Guest53306> I was upgrading ubuntu from 17.04 to 17.10...but then my laptop's battery died in the middle of the upgrade and now won't boot normally.  I've got a root shell running but I don't know what to do now.  Any tips?
[18:45] <EldonMcGuinness> Never update when not plugged in? :-\
[18:45] <onio> my bluetooth works intermittently
[18:46] <LG96K2A> Guest53306: easier to do a reinstall at this point...
[18:46] <Guest53306> EldonMcGuinness: Great, will do next time after I get my time-travelling license
[18:46] <deper29> I could be out to lunch, but could you chroot and just continue the upgrade?
[18:46] <EldonMcGuinness> LG96K2A: Agreed
[18:47] <onio> see dmesg during a "work/not working" session https://paste.ubuntu.com/26285299/
[18:47] <onio> BTW I am running ubuntu 16.04 mate LTS on Dell XP 13
[18:48] <Guest53306> Ugh...how can I save and restore my list of installed packages and PPAs at least?
[18:48] <deper29> Guest53306: https://askubuntu.com/questions/111563/lost-power-during-upgrade-how-do-i-recover
[18:48] <deper29> have you tried that?
[18:48] <onio> LG96K2A: did you see my posts
[18:48] <deper29> Is recovery mode broken?
[18:49] <Guest53306> No, I can access a recovery shell
[18:49] <helmut987> can everbody help  me? no sound rasperry 3
[18:49] <helmut987> thx
[18:49] <LG96K2A> deper29: can you try booting into a livecd? And then chrooting into your existing installation to siphon available data off
[18:49] <LG96K2A> onio: yes i did
[18:49] <deper29> Guest53306: I think you should be able to follow that link then and just resume your upgrade.
[18:50] <helmut987> ??
[18:50] <Guest53306> How can I enable networkibg first?   Maybe you can try booting into a livecd, chrooting into your existing installation, and copy the data off
[18:51] <Guest53306> Yeah gimme a sec
[18:51] <deper29> Guest53306: did you try running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade inside recovery mode first?
[18:52] <helmut987> no tip everybody
[18:52] <Guest53306> I need to connect it to the internet first
[18:52] <deper29> Otherwise as mentioned, you would want to use a livecd, mount your drive, chroot, then work your magic.
[18:52] <helmut987> how can i turn sound on
[18:52] <LG96K2A> helmut987: most people here are idle, have some patience
[18:53] <deper29> Guest53306: I think recovery mode will connect to the net no problem if you have a wired connection.
[18:53] <deper29> Again, I could be out to lunch.
[18:53] <LG96K2A> Guest55306: try what deper29 has suggested first. If you're looking to chroot, you might need additional insturctions if you deploy dmcrypt/LUKS encryption. Let me know if you need help
[18:53] <deper29> LG96K2A: I'm curious, what do you do if you have encryption?
[18:54] <Bashing-om> Guest53306: When recovery is activated, in the menu I expect the option to "enable networking" then activate the root shell .
[18:54] <LG96K2A> deper29: you need to unlock the luks container first, mount it, before being able to chroot
[18:54] <deper29> Ah, that makes sense.
[18:55] <Guest53306> Can't connect still...
[18:55] <helmut987> is every body run mate on rasperry pi
[18:55] <deper29> Guest53306: you have a wired connection?
[18:55] <helmut987> works well but no sound?
[18:55] <Guest53306> deper29 Yes I do
[18:55] <BluesKaj> helmut987, maybe join #raspberrypi
[18:55] <deper29> Or are you trying with wireless?
[18:55] <deper29> er, okay
[18:55] <helmut987> no lan
[18:56] <helmut987> thx
[18:56] <LG96K2A> Guest55306: If you're using wired, try pining first to test for internet connectivity
[18:56] <LG96K2A> Guest55306: If there isn't any, try using something like dhcpcd or dhclient to get a new lease
 is every body run mate on rasperry pi
 Guest53306: you have a wired connection?
[18:58] <Guest53306> You know what, I'll just reinstall.  New plan.  How do I preserve the list of packages and PPAs I have?
[18:58] <p0a> Hello
[18:58] <p0a> I just broke a clean install
[18:58] <deper29> Guest53306: that I don't know :( I've never had to do it.
[18:58] <helmut987> hi ll
[18:59] <LG96K2A> Guests53306: you can identify the list of available packages through the command
[18:59] <LG96K2A> Guest55306: you can identify the list of available packages through the command dpkg -l
[18:59] <p0a> by doing 'apt-get install libjpeg9 libjpeg9-dev libgif7 libgif-dev libtiff5 libtiff5-dev'
[18:59] <p0a> Does anyone understand why? Now I can't install anything
[18:59] <deper29> from the man page, it seems you can do 'apt list --installed'
[18:59] <p0a> apt-get install is "broken". The suggestion apt --fix-broken install doesn't work
[19:00] <LG96K2A> Guest55306: essentially, to get a list of available packages, you can do dpkg -l > packages.txt, before cating that file to less or smth
[19:00] <Guest53306> And how to reinstall with that lis
[19:00] <Guest53306> that list?
[19:00] <p0a> I'm getting "dpkg" errors "trying to overwrite /usr/include/jerror.h" which is also in libjpeg9-dev...
[19:00] <mr_lou> If booting on an older kernel kills my Internet, what do I do then? :-)
[19:00] <deper29> I think you can do 'sudo apt-get install < packages.txt'
[19:01] <LG96K2A> Guest55306: one sec
[19:01] <deper29> er Guest53306 ^^
[19:03] <banshea> hola
[19:03] <p0a> okay I used dpkg --purge and removed all the stuff
[19:03] <p0a> It's a known bug in libjpeg9-dev I think...
[19:03] <LG96K2A> Guest55306: hang on..
[19:03] <deper29> LG96K2A: what are you looking for?
[19:05] <LG96K2A> deper29: im putting together a shell script
[19:07] <LG96K2A> pasting...
[19:08] <deper29> apt list --installed > cut -f1 -d\/ > packages.txt
[19:08] <deper29> that should give you the list of packages you want
[19:08] <deper29> then on your re-install, apt-get install < packages.txt
[19:09] <LG96K2A> Guest55306, deper29: Here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26287406/
[19:09] <LG96K2A> Guest55306: rmb to run it with root privileges
[19:10] <LG96K2A> deper29: I don't use Ubuntu, but IIRC, PPAs are stored in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[19:10] <deper29> LG96K2A: I'm awful with reading shell scripts. Doesn't that just re-install everything?
[19:11] <deper29> LG96K2A: I don't use it either...so I'm also not entirely sure :P
[19:11] <LG96K2A> depre29: apt will not reinstall packages already installed, unless there's a newer ver available
[19:12] <deper29> LG96K2A: if Guest53306 is wanting to save all packages and install them on a fresh install, then doesn't this shell script not work?
[19:12] <LG96K2A> deper29: in that case, he just has to run line 3, redirect to an output file (let's call it packages.txt)
[19:13] <LG96K2A> deper29: port packages.txt over to his/her new fresh install, and you get the drift
[19:14] <deper29> LG96K2A: that was where I just did this: `apt list --installed > cut -f1 -d\/ > packages.txt`
[19:14] <deper29> but yeah, I see how your script works now
[19:15] <onio> who would be responsible for loading this file in ubuntu "hci0: using rampatch file: qca/rampatch_usb_00000302.bin"
[19:15] <deper29> err, I meant to have a pipe in that first redirect
[19:15] <TJ-> onio: a kernel bluetooth module
[19:16] <LG96K2A> deper29: i doubt your command will work :p
[19:16] <deper29> why?
[19:16] <onio> TJ: thanks
[19:16] <LG96K2A> deper29: I think you meant to pipe it, not redirect to cut
[19:16] <deper29> yeah, I did
[19:16] <LG96K2A> deper29: haven't tested it, but in that case i can see it working
[19:16] <deper29>  I mentioned above :P
[19:17] <LG96K2A> deper29: unless im blind that wasn't a pipe...
[19:17] <deper29> I mean, I commented shortly after posting that command that the first redirect should be a pipe
[19:17] <LG96K2A> deper29: sorry im blind xd
[19:17] <deper29> :P
[19:18] <deper29> Guest53306: how you doing?
[19:18] <onio> I have the following in my lib/firmware/qca directory https://paste.ubuntu.com/26287465/
[19:18] <LG96K2A> deper29: to be fair, I think it's way easier to chroot at this point
[19:18] <deper29> I think so too
[19:19] <TJ-> just to add to the mix, the 'debfoster' tool will list just the top-level packages required to replicate an install, which can often avoid library version dependency problems if also moving to a different release
[19:19] <deper29> LG96K2A: especially if they already have a livecd
[19:19] <LG96K2A> deper29: Yeah, I don't really know what I'm doing in a Ubuntu channel if I haven't ran ubuntu in years..
[19:19] <deper29> same :P
[19:20] <deper29> I just come here and try to help every now and again to return the favor.
[19:21] <LG96K2A> deper29: don't mind me asking, but what distro are you on?
[19:22] <deper29> LG96K2A: Gentoo. You?
[19:22] <LG96K2A> deper29: I'm on Gentoo as well :)
[19:23] <deper29> Nice choice :)
[19:24] <ecormier> I've just returned to ubuntu from a 10 year gentoo hiatus :)
[19:24] <LG96K2A> ecormier: why tho?
[19:24] <onio> Can I load this bin file from a command line
[19:25] <ecormier> I had a sweet desktop setup, but I tired of all the system admin...
[19:25] <Neo2> who know how to know ip sites using shell?
[19:25] <Neo2> whois name.of.site
[19:25] <Neo2> doesn't work
[19:25] <LG96K2A> Neo2: what are you talking about?
[19:26] <Neo2> I need fast know ip of sites for example google.ru
[19:26] <onio> can I load "hci0: using rampatch file: qca/rampatch_usb_00000302.bin" from the command line ?
[19:26] <TJ-> Neo2: "dig +short <fqdn>"
[19:26] <LG96K2A> Neo2: you mean the web serever
[19:26] <Neo2> yes
[19:26] <Neo2> no my websoerver
[19:27] <Neo2> ip for domain
[19:27] <TJ-> onio: I doubt it, the kernel module asks for it to be loaded via udev. The message you quoted earlier shows it was loaded
[19:27] <rypervenche> Neo2: You mean you don't know your WAN IP for your server?
[19:27] <Neo2> rypervenche: yes, just fast
[19:27] <LG96K2A> deper29: let me know when he comes back :p
[19:27] <rypervenche> Neo2: curl ifconfig.me
[19:28] <rypervenche> From the server.
[19:28] <Neo2> rypervenche: and for any domain?
[19:29] <LG96K2A> Neo2: Can you ping?
[19:29] <rypervenche> Neo2: TJ- gave you that answer. If you already have a domain set up and pointing to an IP, you use: dig +short domainname
[19:29] <Neo2> yes
[19:29] <Neo2> ok
[19:29] <Neo2> rypervenche: thanks
[19:30] <onio> TJ: I don't think it is loaded. In my first pst I was showing the dmesg message when the bluetooth work and when it doesn't. When it does not work it does not seem to be loading the files https://paste.ubuntu.com/26285299/
[19:38] <deper29> LG96K2A: I wonder if he will
[19:44] <V7> Hey all :)
[19:45] <V7> Found some bug ... when installing ubuntu server 16.03 i686 (i386 ...) (32 bit) and when it's "Configures APT" it says 1 of 54, then 1 of 39, ... 1 of 19 and so on ... so there's no >1 abefore "of" word in this progress
[19:46] <V7> I think that it counts, but not showing it properly or something like that
[19:46] <tatertots> and you're %100 certain you're not dealing with a "human perception" issue???
[19:47] <tatertots> believe it or not...humans are error prone
[19:47] <V7> I'm not sure what you're telling about and what's "human perception" ?
[19:47] <V7> In this one situation exactly
[19:48] <TJ-> onio: are you using different kernel versions, or is it the same kernel version both times? If the same, does it behave differently if the PC boots with AC power connected, or on battery? Does it behave different if the PC is suspended then resumed? If so, there's a firmware ACPI bug, which this may well fix: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:48] <V7> Btw I'm not sure about other versions of Ubuntu Server
[19:49] <onio> TJ: Same kernel on both times. I can reboot the board 5 time and 2 times it may fail and the rest succeeds
[19:51] <onio> TJ: Just saw the link I would try and read through and see if it might solve the issue.
[20:00] <onio> TJ:  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html is an interesting read. I don't think this is my issue. The issue describe on the website suggest that the peripheral in question is inhibited unless operating on some "winblow" machine
[20:01] <onio> This is something that I have only started seeing recently in the last 2 weeks or so.
[20:02] <LuMint> Hi guys. I got a problem. System broke after I tried purging libgio
[20:02] <LuMint> http://termbin.com/v3jg
[20:02] <LuMint> how do I fix this?
[20:02] <TJ-> onio: it's very much worth a try though; we see about 90% od this kind of platform device issue solved by it
[20:03] <prashef> Hi Guys! When I log into my system using GUI and run the who command, it shows tty7. I though tty was supposed to be a terminal driver / to communicate with the text console.
[20:03] <prashef> Why is the graphics system using it?
[20:03] <onio> TJ: cool I like your level of confidence. I would give a go :)
[20:04] <ioria> LuMint, are you in chroot ?
[20:04] <oerheks> prashef, because it does? plain tty is ctrl alt F2
[20:04] <LuMint> ioria:  yes
[20:04] <owen1> where is my private gpg key stored? `gpg --list-keys` show me the public key but `gpg --list-secret-keys` shows me nothing. does it mean i don't even have a private key?
[20:04] <prashef> oerheks: yes, I saw that too
[20:04] <ioria> LuMint, not mounted correctly...  you need /dev/pts or such
[20:05] <prashef> But why does the graphics system use the tty driver?
[20:05] <prashef> Wasn't that originally for the terminal?
[20:05] <LuMint> ioria: but it did mount correctly before i tried to purge libgio-cil
[20:05] <deper29> owen1: did you generate a private key?
[20:05] <LuMint> or libgio-2-dev
[20:05] <LuMint> ioria: anyway, how do I go about it?
[20:06] <ioria> LuMint, exit and for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done  ; then sudo chroot /mnt , mount -a
[20:06] <onio> TJ: is there a preferred directory to run the script from?
[20:06] <Guest53306> deper29 Reinstallibg, but thanks anyway
[20:06] <owen1> deper29: i am not sure. i initialized this password manager that generate gpg keys for me - https://github.com/justwatchcom/gopass
[20:06] <deper29> Guest53306: did you get that package list saved?
[20:06] <deper29> LG96K2A: he's back
[20:07] <LuMint> ioria: btw, I've mounted my ~/home in chroot
[20:07] <deper29> owen1: let me take a look
[20:07] <LuMint> ioria: with mount --rbind /home /my/chroot/home
[20:07] <TJ-> onio: No, it's fine from anywhere
[20:07] <onio> TJ: thanks
[20:07] <LuMint> onio:  would your one liner break it?
[20:08] <TJ-> onio: after it's done check the entry is added correctly with "grep acp_osi /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:08] <TJ-> onio: you should see a result for each installed kernel
[20:08] <onio> TJ: would do.
[20:08] <deper29> owen1: what installation steps did you follow?
[20:08] <onio> LuMint: Not sure what you mean "would your one liner break it?"
[20:09] <LuMint> onio: i mean, is it safe to run "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done  ; then sudo chroot /mnt , mount -a" given that I have my host home mounted in chroot?
[20:09] <LG96K2A> deper29: im back
[20:10] <TJ-> LuMint: I suspect you're talking to the wrong person
[20:10] <LuMint> ioria:
[20:10] <LuMint> onio: sorry, wrong highlight
[20:10] <TJ-> onio: just nod and look intelligent :D
[20:10] <ioria> LuMint, E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - posix_openpt (2: No such file or directory)
[20:10] <owen1> deper29: i believe i run the 'init' command and followed the instructions
[20:11] <onio> LuMint: TJ: :)
[20:11] <LuMint> ioria: unexpected token: then
[20:12] <owen1> deper29: i can start from scratch by deleting the ~/.password-store folder and running gpg --gen-key, right?
[20:12] <pavlos> you done neeed the 'then' part, just chrooot /mnt
[20:12] <deper29> owen1: hmm, I'm not sure :S You might want to check over at #gopass
[20:12] <deper29> owen1: I think keys get stored in ~/.gnupg though.
[20:12] <owen1> deper29: ok. i am reading now this which might be helpful - https://github.com/justwatchcom/gopass/blob/master/docs/setup.md
[20:12] <LuMint> oh, how stupid of me
[20:12] <deper29> owen1: yeah, I was browsing through there. Do you have Go installed on your machine?
[20:12] <owen1> deper29: yes
[20:13] <owen1> deper29: and btw, i have bunch of keys in .gnupg folder
[20:13] <ioria> LuMint, 'then' was a comment; the cmd is 'for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done'
[20:13] <owen1> deper29: so i am curious why 'gpg --list-secret-keys' shows nothing
[20:13] <LuMint> ioria: anyway, it didn't help with broken dependencies.
[20:13] <deper29> owen1: yeah, that's strange. It should show they keys I believe.
[20:14] <ioria> LuMint, why are you in chroot ? give us the bigger picture please
[20:14] <LuMint> ioria: http://termbin.com/v3jg
[20:14] <LuMint> the problem is not the pts error
[20:14] <owen1> deper29: ok. i'll rm -r ~/password-store and generate my gpg keys myself.
[20:14] <LuMint> but dependency hell
[20:14] <LuMint> ioria: i need chroot to run newer software.
[20:14] <ioria> LuMint, ok, but you don't need chroot for that
[20:14] <owen1> deper29: it's about time for me to learn how to do that and also how to back them up
[20:15] <LuMint> ioria: but i do
[20:15] <deper29> owen1: It's unfortunate, because I remember running into the same problem before with gnupg not showing my secret keys.
[20:15] <LuMint> ioria: i cant upgrade my host system to 16.04
[20:15] <ioria> LuMint, uname -r
[20:15] <LuMint> its 14 04
[20:15] <ioria> LuMint, uname -r
[20:15] <LuMint> in chroot?
[20:16] <deper29> owen1: I have to take off though. Best of luck!
[20:16] <owen1> deper29: thanks
[20:16] <LuMint> ioria: how is kernel info relevant when trying to solve dependency hell issue?
[20:16] <ioria> LuMint, why are you in chroot ? and uname -r please
[20:16] <LuMint> its 3.13
[20:16] <LuMint> ioria: i need chroot to run newer software.
[20:16] <LuMint> 3.13.0-137-generic
[20:16] <onio> TJ: just to double check. I am grepping for "acpi_osi"  and not acp_osi right?
[20:17] <onio> if the former yes I can see that in the grub.cfg now.
[20:17] <pavlos> so the base system is 14.04, runs 3.13 and you added a 16.04 in a chroot env?
[20:17] <LuMint> ioria: I think that dependency issue has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the kernel
[20:17] <ioria> LuMint, ok, and you tried to do-release-upgrade ?
[20:17] <LuMint> pavlos: exactly
[20:17] <LuMint> ioria: no
[20:18] <LuMint> i need chroot to install and run newer software i can't have in 14.04
[20:18] <ioria> LuMint, ok
[20:18] <LuMint> i almost succeded in it
[20:18] <LuMint> but when iw as buliding a plugin for pidgin
[20:18] <LuMint> i had to install this glio library
[20:18] <onio> TJ: I have been institutionalised by Windblows "Do I have to reboot to see if changes worked?"
[20:18] <LuMint> there were three options, i first installed glio-cil
[20:19] <LuMint> but then, seing compillation warnings, decided I must have glio-dev-2
[20:19] <TJ-> onio: Yes, you've altered a kernel command line parameter
[20:19] <LuMint> so I purged glio-cil
[20:19] <LuMint> and apt broke
[20:19] <onio> alright I'll be back.
[20:20] <LuMint> ioria: http://termbin.com/2vi6e here's the error log
[20:20] <Bashing-om> !info glio-cil xenial | LuMint
[20:21] <LuMint> Bashing-om: there are 3-4 packages with glio
[20:21] <LuMint> in their names
[20:22] <LuMint> Bashing-om: here is my apt.list if you dont believe me
[20:22] <Bashing-om> LuMint: Yhe hint is that the original package is not from the release repo .. a PPA ? does the maintainer provide a means to remove ?
[20:22] <ioria> LuMint, what's the newer sw you needed ?
[20:23] <LuMint> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/27a6
[20:24] <LuMint> Bashing-om: do you see any PPAs there?
[20:24] <LuMint> ioria: purple-xmpp-http-upload.so
[20:25] <Bashing-om> LuMint: 3rd party sources ' tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' . in the * ' . in the
[20:25] <LuMint> that's what I was after that caused the system to break
[20:25] <TJ-> !info libgio-cil
[20:25] <LuMint> Bashing-om: I didn't.Add. No. PPAs.
[20:26] <LuMint> it's a fresh chroot system with manually added official sources http://termbin.com/27a6
[20:26] <TJ-> Source package for libraries doesn't have "lib" prefix, but binaries do, and 'info' lists binary packages
[20:29] <ioria> LuMint, apt-get install --reinstall libglib2.0-cil
[20:30] <LuMint> wow
[20:30] <LuMint> it saved the day
[20:30] <LuMint> ioria: ty
[20:30] <ioria> LuMint, oky
[20:31] <LuMint> next time Ill probably try using flatpack or appimage instead of chroot
[20:31] <ioria> LuMint, maybe, good thinking
[20:31] <ioria> LuMint, or upgrade to xenial, and use snap
[20:32] <ioria> LuMint, for people need bleeding edge sw
[20:32] <donofrio> does a noroot arm8 image exist to allow you to run ubuntu on android (chroot-only) userspace ubuntu?  like what I can do with "debian noroot" from the play store?
[20:32] <onio1> TJ: That didn't work :-(
[20:33] <TJ-> LuMint: you can install 'lxd' on 14.04 from trusty-backports, then run a regular 16.04 (or other release) container
[20:33] <TJ-> onio1: Drat! OK "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[20:33] <LuMint> TJ-: how is that better than a chroot?
[20:34] <ioria> i vote for a container too
[20:34] <TJ-> LuMint: properly separated from the host
[20:34] <LuMint> what do I need it for, this separation?
[20:34] <TJ-> LuMint: also, much easier to work with, no need to debootstrap since the rootfs is pre-built and a fast install
[20:35] <TJ-> LuMint: to avoid removing required libraries, apparently :)
[20:35] <LuMint> TJ-: erm, it all was going on in chroot
[20:35] <LuMint> TJ-: I didn't have to remove *anything* on host
[20:35] <LuMint> TJ-: actually, I tried docker, but it appeared I will have to put up with 2 GB image, so I decided I should use chroot and put it in sqaushfs
[20:36] <TJ-> LuMint: yeah, I know. LXD rootfs images are around 350-450MB dependin on what's in them
[20:36] <onio1> TJ: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26287970/
[20:37] <LuMint> TJ-: is there an i386 image for LXD?
[20:37] <LuMint> i had a hard time searching for one in docker
[20:37] <TJ-> onio1: also let's see "pastebinit <( lsusb )"
[20:38] <onio1> okay
[20:38] <TJ-> LuMint: see for Ubuntu https://images.linuxcontainers.org/
[20:39] <onio1> TJ: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26287990/
[20:39] <TJ-> LuMint: that's the multi-distro "image:" server, but you can use the "ubuntu:" or "ubuntu-daily:" image servers too
[20:40] <TJ-> onio1: do you know which of the USB devices the Bluetooth device is?
[20:42] <onio1> TJ: I would check
[20:44] <LuMint> TJ-: thanks
[20:46] <ioria> onio1, Microdia i guess ?
[20:48] <TJ-> ioria: that's a webcam I think
[20:48] <ioria> oh, ok
[20:48] <TJ-> onio1: I ask because I don't think the device is actually showing on the USB itself; can you test the device is seen in another PC, or if it is connected to a USB external hub, connect it directly to the PC's ports?
[20:50] <onio1> TJ: yes I noticed. I am going to boot back into Windows and test it. I have been down this road before and I think I booted into Window and back again to Ubuntu
[20:50] <onio1> The bluetooth is built into Dell XPS 13 laptop
[20:51] <ioria> TJ-,  that's relevent ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/881239/bluetooth-not-working-on-xps-13-9360-running-16-04-1
[20:51] <LuMint> TJ-: is there a way to get a GUI application seamlessly working in host system?
[20:52] <TJ-> onio1: Ahhhh... thought it was external
[20:53] <TJ-> ioria: that's for an intel BT firmware; this one is Qualcomm and does find it's firmware *when the device decides to show up!* - which is why I had onio1 add the acpi_osi= setting since these are usually ACPI platform device issues
[20:53] <ioria> TJ-,  i see
[20:54] <TJ-> LuMint: here's one way https://blog.simos.info/how-to-run-graphics-accelerated-gui-apps-in-lxd-containers-on-your-ubuntu-desktop/
[21:21] <HorribleProgram> Just asked in Kali, but here seems pretty appropriate. I got a Linux VM. My Windows host is connected wirelessly and wired to my network. For work, I must use a VPN. Can I use a VPN for the wired connection, and my wireless connection goes to the normal Internet through the bridged mode in my VM?
[21:22] <HorribleProgram> Basically, I want to be able to use the Internet while I'm connected to a VPN on the same computer
[21:29] <yeats> HorribleProgram: (taking as read that this is not the kali channel) - you can click "Use this connection only for resources on its own network" in the VPN setup (assuming you're using NetworkManager)
[21:31] <HorribleProgram> yeats: :O
[21:31] <HorribleProgram> I'll try that, ty
[21:45] <onio> TJ: are you still around
[21:46] <onio> I booted into Window. Bluetooth worked and now back in Ubuntu and it is now working again.
[21:51] <TJ-> onio: hiya
[21:52] <TJ-> onio: right, there's an ACPI issue I suspect, if you don't fully shutdown Windows (need to NOT use Windows fastboot)
[21:52] <onio> TJ: logged into Windows and back into Ubuntu and bluetooth working again
[21:53] <TJ-> onio: We see that workaround alot, where the Windows drivers re-init the device but leave it in a state the Linux atheros/QCA drivers can't deal with
[21:54] <LuMint> TJ-: fantastic
[21:54] <onio> TJ: What is the solution
[21:55] <onio> TJ: The only difference between working and not working is shown here https://paste.ubuntu.com/26288443/
[21:55] <TJ-> onio: If I recall correctly, to fully shutdown Windows before booting to Linux - as opposed to the regular shutdown which does a 'fastboot' save (leaving devices in an intermediate state)
[21:56] <onio> TJ: ahh
[21:56] <TJ-> onio: I'd already figured out the device from the source-code: "drivers/bluetooth/btusb.c:266:  { USB_DEVICE(0x0cf3, 0xe300), .driver_info = BTUSB_QCA_ROME }, "
[21:57] <onio> TJ: :)
[21:59] <onio> The only thing that is not adding up is that I have not boot into Windows for sometime now and the bluetooth was working happily last night
[21:59] <TJ-> onio: I've been helping another user with the same issue in ##linux at the same time, but in their case the device won't respond on the bus. I've got them opening the PC to reseat the wireless card
[22:00] <TJ-> onio: Your issue is, I suspect, related to a firmware bug in ACPI handling of the power state of the device. sometimes multiple suspend/resume can either FIX this, or even cause it!
[22:01] <onio> TJ: That can explain it.
[22:01] <TJ-> onio: we had an issue recently where the external HDMI port wouldn't activate if the system booted on AC, but would on battery :)
[22:01] <choki> hello TJ- :)
[22:01] <onio> TJ: Now that is a classic one
[22:02] <choki> TJ-: btw i fixed my issue with that hostname, i just put the right one into bashrc hard coded :D
[22:02] <TJ-> onio: hopefully you have enough info now to be able to kick it into life if it does disappear again
[22:02] <TJ-> choki: as long as it works :)
[22:02] <onio> TJ: Yes I do. Thanks for your relentless effort
[22:14] <hans_> does the Ubuntu Desktop edition use the HWE kernel by default?
[22:14] <hans_> the server edition DVD asks you if you want the HWE kernel or the.. other kernel
[22:14] <hans_> the desktop edition doesn't ask
[22:16] <hans_> lol https://i.imgur.com/MO4Vi9l.png
[22:17] <hans_> (actually it doesn't even have 8.6, it has 8...)
[22:17] <auronandace> is there an ETA for the new 17.10 isos with the fix in them?
[22:18] <hans_> what fix?
[22:18] <pikapika> Hi
[22:18] <choki> pikapika: hey :3
[22:19] <pikapika> I know we can put the application menus within their proper window, but this has the effect of replacing the titlebar rather than being shown along with titlebar
[22:19] <pikapika> Is there any way to show both menus and titlebar in their appropriate position?
[22:19] <auronandace> hans_: it affects the bios of certain laptops, making it read only
[22:20] <pikapika> I'd rather want to stay within Unity for now, instead of getting a different wm
[22:21] <pikapika> Ie titlebar on top, just below that the menus, then below that the window
[22:21] <_KaszpiR_> making them brick only :D
[22:21] <choki> pikapika: unity will be gone soon :D
[22:22] <choki> i mean you've to switch anyway someday
[22:22] <pikapika> Anyways, is there any fix for the problem?
[22:22] <pikapika> For now
[22:28] <Vladimirski> Installed Ubuntu onto a USB stick from my Macbook Pro, but at boot Ubuntu doesn't show up
[22:28] <Vladimirski> believe there's some EFI boot issues, anyone had this?
[22:29] <pikapika> ..
[22:30] <Ascavasaion> because none of user's groups are listed in allowgroups".  I have done an AllowUser root username and an AllowGroups ssh as I saw online, followed by a service sshd restart, but still nothing.  any advice on creating a user with sudoer and ssh please?
[22:32] <pikapika> Is there any way to display both titlebar and menus in a window?
[22:35] <pikapika> Or do I have to use a different window manager?
[22:36] <dreamScript> pikapika: what do you use now?
[22:39] <pikapika> Default unity
[22:39] <V7> Hey all :)
[22:39] <V7> I've installed byobu
[22:39] <Montecristo94> Vladimirski, did you press Alt just after powerbutton to enable choosing boot disk?
[22:40] <V7> SO ... when I'm connecting through ssh I see the same screen as local logged in user
[22:40] <pikapika> dreamScript: its the plain Unity that comes by default. I havent installed any other window manager
[22:40] <V7> So is it possible to connect through ssh and see different screen (new) ?
[22:41] <dreamScript> pikapika: I believe Unity is a desktop environment.
[22:42] <pikapika> Or whatever it is called. I am new to it and not exactly conversant with the terms. My point is, I have the defaults only. So is is possible to show both titlebar and menubar on a window?
[22:44] <oerheks> systemsettings > appearance > behaviour > 'show the menus for a window .. "
[22:45] <oerheks> only one option, not both
[22:46] <V7> Anyone ? Is it possible to create a new user process when it connects through ssh ?
[22:46] <pikapika> That is the problem I want both simultaneously
[22:54] <pikapika> I installed xubuntu-desktop lol
[22:54] <pikapika> It shows menu and titlebar both and imo less cluttered
[22:55] <dreamScript> Nice.
[22:55] <dreamScript> Glad it worked out for ya.
[22:56] <dreamScript> If I were to use DEs for whatever reason, it would have to be either xfce or lxde.
[22:56] <dreamScript> Both are lightweight (atleast in my opinion).
[22:57] <pikapika> It also installed "pure" xfce it seems as I see three items in the menu now, the two new being xfce and xubuntu
[22:57] <dreamScript> yea.
[22:58] <dreamScript> Choices are what makes the GNU/Linux lifestyle so great.
[23:41] <efs>  after I did upgrade
[23:42] <efs> fire fox dont start after upgrade ubuntu
[23:48] <BoldErea> How can I config linux in order to be able to connect to it using Remote Desktop Connection (trought PuTTY, from Windows) ?
[23:48] <BoldErea> When I login to debian, I have a message saying: /usr/bin/xauth:  file /home/myusername/.Xauthority does not exist
[23:50] <paxous> can i run "yum install gcc libcap libpcap libpcap-devel " in ubuntu ?
[23:50] <hggdh> paxous: no
[23:51] <paxous> i need that in order to compile a c script
[23:51] <Bashing-om> paxous: ubuntu's package manager is apt rather than yum .
[23:52] <kk4ewt> paxous,  look up the apt commands for that
[23:52] <kk4ewt> Bashing-om,  whould Build-essentials have those?
[23:52] <kk4ewt> -h
[23:53] <dax> i'd start with sudo apt install build-essentials libpcap-dev and go from there
[23:53] <hggdh> kk4ewt: build-essential will have the generic development packages (and gcc) but not libcap and libpcap
[23:55] <hggdh> libpcap is called libpcap0.8 in Ubuntu; the corresponding dev package is libpcap0.8-dev