[03:38] <don_jr__> I just want something to get mp3's........I'm told mldonkey is good, I downloaded and installed kmldonkey and it's looking for a core...
[03:38] <XelleX> hey all
[03:38] <superkirbyartist> The party is at http://www.stepmania.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2690
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> don_jr__: kmldonkey will trigger mldonkey to be installed
[03:38] <XelleX> is there a way tl get Philips SNU6500 Adapter working on kubuntu?
[03:38] <don_jr__> Linux_Galore if it did, okay, I did a locate for the mlnet file it said I needed to find and I don't have it
[03:38] <superkirbyartist> Can someone help me install flash on powerpc please?
[03:39] <superkirbyartist> Can someone help me install libflash-mozplugin on konqueror powerpc please?
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> don_jr__: locate wont find anything unless you update it right after the install
[03:39] <XelleX> is there a way tl get Philips SNU6500 Wireless  Adapter working on kubuntu? Please :P
[03:40] <don_jr__> Linux_Galore how do I update it?
[03:40] <dromer> hmm, my usb2 connection seems to be awefully slow, I'm copying from my usb-disk and it's going at ~20Mb/s
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> don_jr__: run  sudo updatedb
[03:40] <superkirbyartist> Yo party people how can I install libflash-mozplugin?
[03:40] <XelleX> usb2.0 is slow
[03:40] <adaptr> prove it
[03:40] <Hobbsee> superkirbyartist: install flashplugin-nonfree
[03:41] <dromer> XelleX: I thought it could get to 400mb/s ..
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> XelleX: I usually find usb 2.0 is fast but the hardisk is slow that data is being transfered from
[03:41] <superkirbyartist> Hobbsee: Isn't that the Adobe Flash?
[03:41] <superkirbyartist> I want the free flash.
[03:41] <superkirbyartist> 0$
[03:41] <superkirbyartist> Open source.
[03:41] <superkirbyartist> Anyone can edit.
[03:41] <superkirbyartist> Any computer can use.
[03:41] <don_jr__> db updated still no mlnet on my box, and mldonkey is not a package in and of it's self
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> also thumb drivesr are not that fast either, its not USB2 its the device that cant keep up
[03:41] <dromer> Linux_Galore: I'm transfering from a sata-disk (should be 3gb/s ;) )
[03:41] <XelleX> USB 2.0 is slow, i dont know how much but, its serial. Wirefire is much faster :)
[03:42] <XelleX> firewaire or what the heck
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> dromer: actually its not devide that by 10 then add in the seek time lag and you get about 1/4 of that
[03:42] <Hobbsee> superkirbyartist: gnash, then.
[03:42] <superkirbyartist> Hobbsee: sudo apt-get it?
[03:42] <XelleX> meh i hate to not get my Wireless working...
[03:43] <XelleX> anyone have snu6500 wireless adapter?
[03:43] <Sanne> dromer: back. I see you got your partition writable. You can also set the ownership of the mount point in konqueror to your user, btw. The konsole commands for all this are chmod (permissions) and chown (ownership), type "man chmod" and "man chown" for instructions.
[03:43] <superkirbyartist> Password:
[03:43] <dromer> Sanne: ah, kay, thnx
[03:43] <Hobbsee> superkirbyartist: yes.
[03:43] <superkirbyartist> Reading package lists... Done
[03:43] <amdiak_> hi
[03:43] <superkirbyartist> Building dependency tree
[03:43] <superkirbyartist> Reading state information... Done
[03:43] <superkirbyartist> Package gnash is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:43] <superkirbyartist> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:43] <superkirbyartist> is only available from another source
[03:43] <superkirbyartist> E: Package gnash has no installation candidate
[03:43] <Sanne> dromer: you're welcome :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> superkirbyartist: apt-cache search gnash, isntall the most suitable, and learn to use a pastebin.
[03:44] <dromer> !bastebin | superkirbyartist
[03:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bastebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:44] <dromer> !paste | superkirbyartist
[03:44] <ubotu> superkirbyartist: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:44] <Linux_Galore> lol
[03:44] <superkirbyartist> It wasn't that big, and apt-cache search = no output.
[03:44] <dromer> superkirbyartist: anything over 2 lines is "too big"
[03:45] <superkirbyartist> Hobbsee: What do I do after apt-cache search?  I get no input :(
[03:45] <dromer> superkirbyartist: some of us are using tiny terminal-windows for irc .. this is very anoying ;)
[03:45] <amdiak_> I would like to update my Dapper Drake to Edgy Eft, could some help me?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> !upgrade | amdiak_
[03:45] <ubotu> amdiak_: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> superkirbyartist: install mozilla-plugin-gnash
[03:46] <amdiak_> Ok Hobbesee I'm new you know
[03:46] <superkirbyartist> I get the flooded error.
[03:46] <adaptr> amdiak_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:46] <adaptr> amdiak_: repeat until satisfied
[03:47] <superkirbyartist> There is no mozilla-plugin-gnash
[03:47] <superkirbyartist> Gnash is "referred by other package"
[03:47] <Hobbsee> superkirbyartist: do you have multiverse enabled?
[03:48] <superkirbyartist> Hobbsee: I can check
[03:48] <amdiak_> adaptr, you may be right because I have allready done many things
[03:48] <Hobbsee> superkirbyartist: universe, actually.
[03:48] <superkirbyartist> Hobbsee: All the reps for edgy are enabled.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> does that include universe?
[03:49] <superkirbyartist> Yes.
[03:50] <don_jr__> I can't get mldonkey to connect....
[03:52] <Hobbsee> superkirbyartist: must nto be in edgy then
[03:53] <superkirbyartist> Hobbsee: I install libflash-mozplugin.
[03:56] <superkirbyartist> How do I bypass "flash is not installed" errors?
[03:57] <superkirbyartist> YouTube there is an error that forces me to download Flash.
[03:57] <superkirbyartist> How can I pretend to have flash?
[03:58] <don_jr__> can rpm's be run in kubuntu?
[03:58] <superkirbyartist> dod_jr__ you will need alien to convert.
[03:59] <qsu> yes you have to convert them into deb files with the program alien
[03:59] <qsu> and then install the deb
[03:59] <don_jr__> crud, okay.......I've got to find something to download mp3's with
[03:59] <qsu> but the best is to search for an deb version for your kubuntu version
[03:59] <superkirbyartist> Yo people I want to watch the cat fight can you help me with Flash please?
[03:59] <dystopianray> superkirbyartist: get the flash9 deb from edgy-backports and install it
[04:00] <superkirbyartist> dystopinary: I am using PowerPC and open source flash.
[04:00] <qsu> or go to http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/
[04:01] <superkirbyartist> So many websites tell me "You need Flash * to view this".  I am using open source Flash.
[04:01] <superkirbyartist> I am using PowerPC.
[04:01] <dystopianray> superkirbyartist: oh, well there is not much you can be helped with, the open source flash is just plain crap
[04:02] <don_jr__> Any other suggestions other than mldonkey for getting mp3's?
[04:02] <dystopianray> don_jr__: bittorrent
[04:02] <superkirbyartist> Isn't there a cheat to pretend you have Flash 9?
[04:02] <don_jr__> can get mp3's with torrent?  I'll have to give that a shot
[04:03] <dystopianray> don_jr__: i hope you're not talking about illegal mp3 downloads
[04:03] <snerge> morning
[04:05] <don_jr__> no I just don't want to go through the hassle of ripping all my cd's! =)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> don_jr__: ktorrent seems pretty good
[04:06] <dystopianray> so you are talking about illegal downlaods
[04:07] <dystopianray> just becuase you own the cd doesn't mean it's legal to download an mp3 of it
[04:07] <don_jr__> Hobbsee I"m playing with it, but I don't know torrent's very well at all, so this is a new adventure.
[04:10] <don_jr__> Okay, how do I use alien to convert a file? I have it installed
[04:10] <DeMolay> dystopianray: this is not illegal in every country
[04:11] <dystopianray> DeMolay: true, but any talk of warez or similar is not allowed in here AFAIK
[04:11] <don_jr__> found it, gotta learn to read the man files.
[04:11] <DeMolay> OK
[04:13] <don_jr__> dystopianray I meant not to speak of anything I wasn't suppose to, only how to get a program installed on my kubuntu box.  I'll leave it at that.
[04:18] <ninHer> does anybody know any virtual real size aquarium software ?
[04:19] <herdi> hey all
[04:19] <herdi> any way to see the size of a deleted folder? from slocate.db for example?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> ninHer: xfishtank, maybe
[04:20] <Sanne> dystopianray: actually there are a lot of legal mp3 (or ogg, for that matter) downloads. Just because it's mp3, it's not necessarily illegal to download.
[04:20] <adaptr> no way to do anything to a deleted anything, so no
[04:20] <ninHer> Hobbsee: i'll have a glance
[04:20] <herdi> hmm
[04:20] <ninHer> thanks
[04:21] <dystopianray> Sanne: yes I realise that, but all he wanted to do is download mp3 versions of cds he had bought, which would most likely be illegal
[04:21] <adaptr> dystopianray: it's not
[04:21] <herdi> adaptr: i was thiking about some file or log which would preserve some info on the directory/file like slocate.db
[04:22] <adaptr> herdi: if it's gone from the FS, it's gone, period
[04:22] <adaptr> herdi: the only way to look at it would be to firts undelete it
[04:22] <Sanne> dystopianray: oh, I see. I don't know then.
[04:22] <don_jr__> what is the console command for extracting a .tar.gz file?
[04:22] <dystopianray> don_jr__: tar -xzf foo.tar.gz
[04:22] <don_jr__> thanks
[04:23] <herdi> adaptr: ext3 undeletion is not possible or is it?
[04:23] <adaptr> herdi: ext2undelete should deal with it
[04:23] <adaptr> google :)
[04:23] <herdi> :)
[04:24] <herdi> thanks, ive been googling for about 4 days:)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> ninHer: no idea how it works though
[04:24] <ninHer> Hobbsee: i found it.....i am going to install it and will tell you how about
[04:24] <ninHer> :-)
[04:25] <anees> Hi ... I need to play .dat files on kubuntu
[04:25] <anees> how can i do so
[04:25] <anees> I want to see movie on kubuntu
[04:25] <anees> which software should I use?
[04:25] <snerge> hum
[04:25] <snerge> I would try mplayer
[04:25] <snerge> or vlc
[04:25] <dystopianray> anees: where did this file come from?
[04:26] <anees> it is a vcd
[04:26] <don_jr__> anyone tell me what package would have the qt3 header files in them?
[04:26] <anees> movie file
[04:26] <dystopianray> anees: oh, that's just mpeg, any media player should be able to handle it
[04:26] <anees> ok...which one in kubuntu?
[04:27] <dystopianray> anees: kaffeine is fine, you'll probably need libxine-extracodecs installed
[04:27] <anees> ok
[04:27] <anees> plz tell me the command
[04:27] <anees> i have some .avi files too...which need codecs to be installed
[04:27] <anees> how can i get codecs?
[04:28] <herdi> adaptr: is there any way to read locate's slocate.db besides searching with e.g. "locate xxx"?
[04:28] <robi_> hi all
[04:28] <adaptr> herdi: if you figure out what format its in, sure
[04:28] <dystopianray> anees: install libxine-extracodecs and it should handle most media files
[04:28] <robi_> can somebodz help me? I-m new in kubuntu
[04:28] <Sanne> don_jr__: libqt3-mt-dev, maybe also libqt3-headers and libqt3-compat-headers (I don't have that one installed, dunno if you need it to compile apps)
[04:29] <dystopianray> robi_: we can't help if we don't know what your problem is
[04:29] <robi_> :)
[04:29] <Sanne> don_jr__: I'm still on dapper, I should add
[04:29] <robi_> i dont remember when install kubuntu setup root password
[04:29] <anees> dystopianray.. I m having problem installing libxine-extracodecs
[04:29] <dystopianray> robi_: it didn't, use sudo
[04:29] <anees> plz tell me the complete command
[04:29] <robi_> when go to adept he ask me password
[04:29] <robi_> which password?
[04:29] <dystopianray> anees: you'll need to enable universe and multiverse repos
[04:29] <dystopianray> robi_: your user's password
[04:30] <anees> from where I should enable them
[04:30] <robi_> saz incorect password
[04:30] <geggam> !codec
[04:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:30] <geggam> !codecs
[04:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:30] <don_jr__> Sanne hmmm it says I already ahve those.  when I try to compile it tells me it can't find the qt headers
[04:30] <Sanne> don_jr__: if you know the exact name of a missing file, you can seach for the package which provides this file at packages.ubuntu.com in section "Search the contents of packages"
[04:30] <Sanne> don_jr__: oh
[04:31] <Sanne> don_jr__: you might need to tell the location of them. It should be /usr/share/qt3, but let me double check.
[04:31] <Cosmo_> whenever I use synaptic to install or uninstall packages it tries to reinstall the vmware player and fails, how do I fix this?
[04:31] <robi_> go to try reset user password
[04:32] <Sanne> don_jr__: yup, that's correct. What do you want to compile, and does it use configure?
[04:33] <dystopianray> anees: ah I just edit the sources file manually, I don't know what is the best way for you to enable universe and multiverse, you can do it through adept I think
[04:33] <don_jr__> Sanne yes, it's durring configure I'm getting the error, I'm checking to see if maybe it needs qt4 instead or something
[04:34] <Sanne> don_jr__: you can pass options to configure. Type './configure --help' to see how to tell it the location of qt, mostly it's something like: '--with-qt3=/usr/share/qt3' but please check to make sure, this might bnot be correct.
[04:35] <don_jr__> Sanne okay, I'll locate the qt3 headers, thank you
[04:35] <Sanne> don_jr__: you're welcome
[04:36] <Sanne> don_jr__: /usr/share/qt3 is correct (at least on dapper), but --with-qt3 might now
[04:36] <Sanne> s/now/not
[04:37] <don_jr__> I found a bunch of .h files in /usr/include/qt3
[04:38] <Sanne> don_jr__: yes, but in /usr/share/qt3 are the links to all those folders a compilation might need.
[04:38] <Sanne> don_jr__: just look in there, you'll see
[04:38] <don_jr__> Sanne I used that path /usr/share/qt3 still no luck
[04:39] <Sanne> don_jr__: what is the exact error message?
[04:39] <Sanne> don_jr__: use the pastebin, please
[04:40] <don_jr__> http://www.pastebin.ca/431203  Here is the entire configure output, I did a locate for qt3-ranlib and didn't find it....
[04:41] <LeeJunFan> woohoo! My library is now running feisty on all the public workstations, netboot and unionfs root :)
[04:41] <Sanne> don_jr__: first, "--with-qt-includes= /usr/share/qt3" has a space after =, I believe that's not allowed. Looking some more...
[04:41] <don_jr__> and I"m on edgy if that helps
[04:42] <Sanne> don_jr__: try first without the space
[04:42] <don_jr__> Sanne that seems to have helped up to this point, the script error wasn't there this time
[04:43] <don_jr__> and it finished, thank you
[04:43] <don_jr__> Sanne am runing make now! =)
[04:43] <Sanne> don_jr__: cool. I think a space is regarded as qa delimiter in the configure line.
[04:43] <Sanne> don_jr__: oh, glad it worked :)
[04:43] <don_jr__> Sanne now since I'm so new to this stuff, I gotta figure out how to run the program once it installs! lol
[04:44] <Sanne> don_jr__: oh, another thing. You shouldn't use sudo for configure and make, just for make install.
[04:44] <don_jr__> Sanne it woulnd't configure when I didn't
[04:44] <don_jr__> Sanne and thank you very much for the help, I appriciate it
[04:45] <don_jr__> it told me permission denied when I tried to configure without sudo
[04:45] <Sanne> don_jr__: you're welcome (still it's funny you need sudo for that... next time try it without first, shouldn't be needed)
[04:45] <don_jr__> Sanne I tried without it first, told me permission denied
[04:45] <bxnp> where did you extract that files don_jr__
[04:46] <don_jr__> bxnp I extracted to /home/don
[04:46] <Sanne> don_jr__: hmmm, maybe you extracted the source while being admin? With sudo also? then those files would have gotten the wrong permissions.
[04:46] <bxnp> and did you extract those files with sudo
[04:46] <Sanne> bxnp: ;)
[04:46] <bxnp> lol great minds think a like
[04:46] <Sanne> +1
[04:46] <don_jr__> Sanne yeah, that's probably what did it! lol bxnp thanks I'll have to remember to quit using sudo so much until it tells me to, it's almost habbit now with everything I've been doing yesterday and today
[04:47] <don_jr__> Sanne Bah got an error on make
[04:47] <bxnp> never extract files in your home dir, with sudo
[04:47] <bxnp> you dont want files belonging to root in your home dir
[04:47] <sonoftheclayr> don_jr__: you get to know when to sudo and not sudo after a while
[04:47] <bxnp> anyway you can change the permissions with chown yourname.yourname files
[04:47] <Sanne> don_jr__: ah, glad we got the reason. definitely don't use sudo all the time, you could mess up hard with a single typo. Better ask here when something doesn't work as expected :)
[04:47] <anees> anybody help me how to install xine player
[04:48] <bxnp> aptitude install xine-ui anees
[04:48] <don_jr__> http://www.pastebin.ca/431212   This is the end of the make output, shows the error, if more is needed I'll copy what's there.
[04:48] <anees> ok
[04:48] <anees> ...thanx
[04:49] <bxnp> anees: say you want to install mplayer you do apt-cache search mplayer |more
[04:49] <bxnp> and look wich files you get back and install the ones you need
[04:50] <anees> ok
[04:50] <anees> thanx again
[04:50] <bxnp> if you use aptiude allso the sugested files will be installed apt-get wont do that
[04:50] <Sanne> don_jr__: hmmm, I never compiled this app and don't understand the error, so I have to step down helping you now, sorry. Btw, there's also an ubuntu pastebin at paste.ubuntu-nl.org, if you want to have a look. Anybody care to help don_jr__ further?
[04:50] <don_jr__> when you use apt-cache search   is your input after search case sensative?
[04:50] <anees> k
[04:51] <Sanne> don_jr__: I don't think it's case sensitive
[04:51] <don_jr__> Sanne thanks alot for looking it over at least.  I'll figure something out
[04:52] <Sanne> don_jr__: you're welcome. I would recommend, though, to start over with configure as a user, just to rule out any possible quirks doing it as root.
[04:52] <don_jr__> Sanne alright, I'll give it a shot
[04:52] <Sanne> don_jr__: good luck
[04:52] <ubuntu_> hi all
[04:52] <ubuntu_> ciao a tutti
[04:54] <ubuntu_> i can refresh the repo list?
[04:54] <ubuntu_> and where i can find a new repo list?
[04:55] <herdi> adaptr: still there?
[04:56] <yonatan_> hi, will ubuntu guides work on kubuntu?
[04:56] <D_Ed> yonatan_: yes, but you may have to change one or two words
[04:56] <D_Ed> for example gedit -> kate
[04:56] <D_Ed> gksudo->kdesu
[04:56] <yonatan_> yea yea i know :)
[04:57] <yonatan_> but the whole concept is the same?
[04:57] <D_Ed> ok, other than that the basis is the same
[04:57] <smile> hi linuxiqns .. hoz cqn i chqnge screen resolution on ubuntu M
[04:57] <D_Ed> yep
[04:57] <yonatan_> good, thx
[04:57] <yonatan_> how about fiesty? is it similar?
[04:57] <D_Ed> it's just newer versions of everything
[04:57] <jhutchins> smile: Actually pressing the correct key counts with computers.
[04:58] <D_Ed> so most likely yes
[04:58] <bobstro> smile: are you using kde or gnome?
[04:58] <smile> bobstro: gnom
[04:58] <yonatan_> aye aye, lets get this boardcom chip a try, last time it did alot of troubles
[04:58] <yonatan_> thx D_Ed
[04:59] <D_Ed> np, good luck
[04:59] <D_Ed> you'll possibly find apt-get install linux-restricted-modules gets your wifi working
[04:59] <D_Ed> it's pretty good in feisty
[05:00] <adaptr> herdi: intermittently, yes
[05:00] <dromer> hmm, my usbdisk (sata 200gb) is automounted, but I don't have write-access? (can't delete any files ..)
[05:00] <D_Ed> dromer: what file system is it?
[05:00] <jhutchins> dromer: What filesystem is on the disk?
[05:00] <bobstro> smile: did you try the resolution setting in the control center. (i'd check the exact name, but i'm in kde right now.)
[05:00] <herdi> adaptr: happen to know what other files hold filesystem information besides slocate.db that could be useful?
[05:00] <dromer> FAT32(lba)
[05:00] <bobstro> dromer: you're trying to write as a normal user?
[05:00] <dromer> D_Ed / jhutchins
[05:00] <dromer> bobstro: yes
[05:01] <smile> bobstro: i want change the resolution on gnome
[05:01] <bobstro> dromer: you can specify a UID/GID when you mount it. fat32 will only allow one "owner".
[05:01] <bobstro> smile: yes, have you tried the resolution setting in control center?
[05:01] <dromer> well, my user _is_ the owner
[05:01] <bobstro> dromer: so ls -l is showing that?
[05:01] <jhutchins> smile: This is the kubuntu support channel, which supports the kde version.  #ubuntu supports the gnome version, you may find more help there.
[05:02] <bobstro> dromer: it sounds like maybe root is. you can write as root or?
[05:02] <smile> bobstro: what to click M
[05:02] <bobstro> smile: sorry, try #ubuntu. i don't have gnome up at the moment.
[05:02] <dromer> bobstro: yes, ls -l gives my user as owner
[05:02] <D_Ed> and does it give you as having write acces?
[05:02] <bobstro> dromer: does mount show it mounted rw or ro?
[05:03] <dromer> rw
[05:04] <bobstro> dromer: hmm. can you rw as root user?
[05:04] <dromer> bobstro: dunno, lemme try
[05:04] <D_Ed> dromer: ok. lets test if you can write. in a terminal run "touch /media/wherever/afile"
[05:04] <D_Ed> then try the same as root
[05:04] <D_Ed> touch means "create a file"
[05:05] <dromer> D_Ed: hmm, apperantly I can .. perhaps not all files on the disk have the same permisions
[05:05] <herdi> adaptr: actually i have a file from p2p prog giFT called "shared" which might be helpful but decoding it is lil bit too difficult for me:) Ive checked their project page..
[05:05] <dystopianray> dromer: they should all have the same permissions as fat32 does not store unix permissions
[05:06] <dromer> dystopianray: ok, thnx, wierd I can't delet these specific files then ..
[05:06] <D_Ed> ok. lets just slap the permissions on there. It shouldn't make a difference but that doesn't stop wierd things happening "sudo chown -r dromer:dromer    /media/wherever/ "
[05:06] <dystopianray> dromer: are you sure it's fat? and not ntfs?
[05:07] <dromer> D_Ed: chown: invalid option -- r
[05:07] <dromer> dystopianray: yes, I'm sure
[05:07] <bobstro> -R
[05:07] <dromer> ha :P
[05:07] <bobstro> or --recursive if you prefer
[05:07] <dromer> ok, access denied again
[05:08] <dromer> or "still"
[05:08] <bobstro> does anything get set to immutable with fat32?
[05:08] <bobstro> you got access denied doing chown? were you root?
[05:08] <bobstro> perhaps put a sudo in front of that
[05:09] <dromer> bobstro: no I got access denied after chown when trying to delete a file
[05:09] <dromer> bobstro: btw, it's a backup of my old ntfs-disk, mostly films and music, I just placed lots of it back to ext3, and want to delete them from my external disk
[05:09] <WillLuongo> dromer: it sounds like NTFS to me.
[05:10] <dromer> WillLuongo: I'm 95% sure it's FAT32(lba) :P
[05:10] <bobstro> dromer: what's it mounted as?
[05:10] <bobstro> dromer: that'll tell you.
[05:10] <WillLuongo> dromer: Do you have a windows box?
[05:10] <dromer> WillLuongo: er, dual-boot, but I don't use it
[05:11] <dromer> bobstro: /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[05:11] <dromer> vfat == fat32 no ?
[05:11] <bobstro> dromer: yes
[05:11] <dystopianray> dromer: if you want to delete everything from the drive try formatting the partition
[05:11] <dromer> I don't want to delete _everything_ just a couple folders
[05:12] <WillLuongo> dromer: If you have PartitionMagic or a similar application you can change the filesystem on the fly (without necessarily losing your data).
[05:12] <WillLuongo> dromer: Or , you could put it on a Samba share and copy it to an ext3 drive on your linux box
[05:12] <dromer> WillLuongo: the filesystem should be fine as it is, FAT32(lba) so I can use it both on linux as on windows
[05:12] <bobstro> dromer: you might also do a chkdsk on it, see if there are fs errors.
[05:13] <WillLuongo> dromer: Ah, didn't realize that you wanted to use it on both, sorry.
[05:13] <bobstro> dromer: fwiw -- you can get a driver to r/w ext2/ext3 on windows. i did that to get around file size limitations with vfat and lack of rw for ntfs.
[05:13] <dystopianray> dromer: umount the partition and use dosfsck to check it
[05:13] <WillLuongo> dromer: does it let you delete it in Windows?
[05:13] <dystopianray> bobstro: there is full r/w for ntfs now using ntfs-3g
[05:13] <bobstro> dystopianray: ah, couldn't think of command name - dosfsck.
[05:13] <dromer> bobstro: I know, but that's not handy, since I want to take the disk with me without any hassle
[05:14] <bobstro> dromer: heh, ok.
[05:14] <dromer> WillLuongo: I'm not planning on booting to windows atm :P I got aps running :P
[05:14] <bobstro> dystopianray: is ntfs-3g solid? haven't tried it.
[05:14] <dystopianray> bobstro: it's supposed to be very stable and reliable, I've never seen any reports of problems and it has had quite a few releases
[05:15] <dromer> captive worked fine for as long as I used it, but atm I just want to delete a couple folders on this usb disk :P
[05:15] <dystopianray> dromer: umount it and check it with dosfsck
[05:15] <dromer> bobstro: however, I was able to touch and remove that testfile ..
[05:15] <bobstro> dystopianray: i'd be using it on a work laptop, so don't want to be too adventuresome.
[05:16] <dystopianray> bobstro: I've heard nothing but good reports about it and it's supposedly extensively tested http://www.ntfs-3g.org/quality.html
[05:16] <bobstro> dystopianray: ah thanks. another one for the "must check out" list.
[05:16] <dromer> dystopianray: ok, runnnig dosfsck atm
[05:16] <dromer> dystopianray: $ dosfsck /dev/sda1
[05:16] <dromer> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
[05:16] <dromer> /dev/sda1: 9035 files, 8955840/12440281 clusters
[05:17] <dystopianray> dromer: is that it? it's finished?
[05:17] <dromer> yeah
[05:18] <dystopianray> hrrm, actally doesn't linux have problem with fat volumes > 120GB ?
[05:18] <dromer> dunno, it was reccomended to me to use fat32(lba)
[05:19] <bobstro> i got bit with fat32 file size limitations, so gave up on it.
[05:19] <dromer> dystopianray: it just seems strange to me that I _can_ make/remove a testfile ..
[05:19] <geggam> i am looking for something i cant do in linux and its starting to annoy me
[05:20] <snerge> geggam: what ?
[05:20] <geggam> so far i cant find anything i cannot do
[05:20] <bobstro> geggam: well, it'll annoy us until you tell us what it is! :)
[05:20] <geggam> linux got too easy
[05:20] <geggam> :|
[05:20] <bobstro> geggam: oh, you mean something you can't do is what you want!
[05:20] <geggam> challenge bobbyd_
[05:20] <bobstro> geggam: can't play counterstrike.
[05:20] <geggam> er bobstro
[05:20] <geggam> i dont play games
[05:20] <geggam> i work
[05:20] <bobstro> geggam: now you're being picky.
[05:21] <snerge> geggam: find me something half descent that does drawing like visio .... :P
[05:21] <bobstro> geggam: games are only reason i have XP at the house.
[05:21] <dystopianray> geggam: can you flash your bios in linux?
[05:21] <geggam> visio i have no need for
[05:21] <bobstro> geggam: yeah, visio was what i was thinking, though most of what i do in visio probably could be done in existing packages.
[05:21] <bbm4n> counterstrike could possibly play with wine?
[05:21] <bbm4n> wow does for exemple
[05:21] <WillLuongo> Steam (counterstrike) is Gold in Wine
[05:21] <bbm4n> even with low fps
[05:21] <bobstro> bbm4n: you can kludge games in, but it's tedious and not 100%
[05:21] <WillLuongo> But I haven't gotten wine to work with anything so far in Kubuntu
[05:22] <bbm4n> i know
[05:22] <bobstro> WillLuongo: i got MSIE going :)
[05:22] <bbm4n> for example wow is like 10-20 FPS lower with wine than in windows
[05:22] <Mena> !libmad
[05:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libmad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:22] <dystopianray> bbm4n: what video card do you have?
[05:22] <Mena> !libmad0
[05:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libmad0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:22] <bobstro> geggam: how about you tell us what you do work in so we can try to find something appropriate to mention?
[05:22] <WillLuongo> bobstro: I tried to get QBasic to work, and it just gives me a couple of pages of errors...
[05:23] <Mena> In k3b i need to install Mp3 plugin HowTo?
[05:23] <herdi> adaptr: thanks for your help. looks like ill just have to move on since i've spent too many days on the issue.
[05:23] <bobstro> geggam: there are plenty of packages that don't exist simply because nobody wrote them.
[05:23] <bobstro> geggam: no TECHNICAL reason though.
[05:23] <geggam> ok i should qualify this... i do consulting... i have clients that want to be productive at work ... databases email etc etc ... business things... visio is something that marketing guys use to blow sunshine up your ass.... seriously ubuntu is ready for corp support in 90% + of the applications
[05:23] <WillLuongo> bobstro: Did you get 6 or 7 working?
[05:23] <dystopianray> Mena: install libk3b2-mp3
[05:23] <geggam> power point is another pointless application
[05:23] <bbm4n> microsoft visio is this?
[05:23] <Mena> dystopianray, ok thanks :)
[05:23] <geggam> what use do u have for visio ?
[05:24] <bobstro> geggam: oh, i do consulting too. agree with you, though visio is handy for quick technical drawings that don't warrant autocad.
[05:24] <snerge> database designs
[05:24] <bbm4n> datagrams i guess?
[05:24] <snerge> with db connection
[05:24] <bobstro> geggam: there's no real reason most of the desktops i see couldn't be converted to linux today.
[05:24] <bbm4n> in my univ they used it to draw an ARM pipeline
[05:24] <geggam> i can see the application bobstro  but i think there is somethign that does what u need in linux
[05:24] <bobstro> geggam: the only issue is proprietary software.
[05:25] <geggam> that is the biggest hurdle
[05:25] <bobstro> geggam: oh yeah, as i mentioned, there are tools that are close enough for the conceptual level.
[05:25] <geggam> i am competing with delphi as we speak
[05:25] <geggam> small to medium sized business
[05:25] <bobstro> geggam: the "need" is usually for some stupid, intentionally incompatible feature.
[05:25] <WillLuongo> geggam: This might not affect you, but one of the main reasons I am keeping a XP box (professionally) is the lack of pro audio support
[05:25] <geggam> i have several XP boxes
[05:25] <dromer> hmm, apperantly the usbdisk doesn't have complete read/write access, at least the folder that I copied into it didn't and after copying still hasn't ..
[05:26] <geggam> one of which is my TV .... mce 500pvr and gbpvr
[05:26] <bbm4n> i tryed vista and the suck
[05:26] <bbm4n> :D
[05:26] <yonatan_> how do i add programs to run on startup?
[05:26] <geggam> i have a duo core 1.8 something that has an nvidia 7300 and 1 gig of ram... vista uses 25% of system surfing
[05:26] <bobstro> geggam: i'm afraid linux is ready. sorry to disappoint. :)
[05:27] <geggam> im in agreement bobstro .... i hadnt tried ubuntu till yesterday
[05:27] <yonatan_> anyone?
[05:27] <geggam> installed dapper and upgraded straight to feisty
[05:27] <geggam> yonatan_, startup as user ?
[05:27] <bobstro> geggam: i'm starting to push virtualization, so they can run those "essential" windows apps in a virtual sandbox.
[05:27] <bobstro> yonatan_: you mean when you launch kde?
[05:27] <geggam> i want to convert them
[05:27] <yonatan_> exactly
[05:28] <yonatan_> like in ubuntu u have sessions
[05:28] <yonatan_> what does kubuntu has?
[05:28] <bobstro> yonatan_: there may be a better way, but i copy the .desktop file to ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:28] <geggam> cant u put that in ~/.kde/autostart or some such ?
[05:28] <dystopianray> yonatan_: you can put scripts and symlinks in ~?.kde/Autostart/
[05:28] <geggam> heh
[05:28] <geggam> guess so
[05:28] <plbgnr> hello, pls how can i find out which version of kubuntu do I have?
[05:28] <bobstro> there is a session setup, but honestly haven't tried it myself.
[05:28] <yonatan_> no gui for this? :)
[05:28] <dystopianray> yonatan_: I believe there is a kcontrol module in the repos that can configure autostarting apps for you
[05:29] <geggam> cat /etc/lsb-release
[05:29] <plbgnr> geggam: thanks
[05:29] <yonatan_> lets try to see if it works
[05:29] <yonatan_> brb
[05:29] <bobstro> yonatan_: if you launch something and leave it running, the session manager can run it for you
[05:29] <geggam> btw for everyone reading unless u are very comfortable in debian do NOT upgrade dapper straight to feisty
[05:30] <geggam> it was interesting
[05:30] <bobstro> geggam: not going to until it's released anyhow.
[05:30] <geggam> its nice
[05:30] <geggam> all pretty and crap
[05:30] <geggam> im too much a console junkie
[05:30] <Filthpig> hi all
[05:30] <bobstro> geggam: for a biz, you'd probably want dapper with the LTS.
[05:30] <geggam> definently
[05:31] <bobstro> geggam: unless they "need" eyecandy. :)
[05:31] <geggam> change sucks in business
[05:31] <Filthpig> uhm, I can't start kubuntu with the latest kernel (2.6.20-14)
[05:31] <bobstro> geggam: yeah. thin is getting more and more attractive.
[05:31] <Filthpig> When starting the normal mode it just stops
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> geggam: yes, but on the other hand incremental changes every 6 months might be easier to deal with than the jump there will be in 4 years.
[05:31] <WillLuongo> bobstro: and Geggam: I just read that women actually  tend to perform better in computing environments with the eye candy and stuff.
[05:32] <geggam> but why would u have to change LeeJunFan
[05:32] <geggam> keep repositories and keep it protected from the net
[05:32] <bobstro> WillLuongo: strangely, men tend to perform less effectively int he presence of women!
[05:32] <geggam> i had a BSD box running for 2 years
[05:32] <Filthpig> and when I start with recovery mode it states something about kernel panic and attempting to kill init after some ext3 error
[05:32] <WillLuongo> bobstro: LOL
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> geggam: yeah, if you can do that, that works as well.
[05:32] <Filthpig> is this a know issue?
[05:32] <bobstro> WillLuongo: some eyecandy is fine, but a lot of it is definitely "not business related".
[05:33] <bobstro> Filthpig: it works ok with the older kernel?
[05:33] <Filthpig> yep
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> yeah, and having beryl crash 5 times a day isn't really cool either.
[05:33] <Filthpig> running 13 now
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> Even though it's easy to restart and doesn't cause lost work.
[05:33] <bobstro> Filthpig: did you get the restricted drivers too?
[05:33] <Filthpig> bobstro, I guess so
[05:33] <geggam> beryl ?
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> !beryl
[05:33] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:33] <geggam> ew
[05:33] <Filthpig> I've been using Feisty since fabruary or something
[05:34] <geggam> gimme a console and a good framebuffer
[05:34] <geggam> >:]
[05:34] <Filthpig> and upgraded kernel every time there was a new one available
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> gimme a console w/o framebugger
[05:34] <geggam> pron ?
[05:34] <geggam> tsk tsk
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> geggam: no need.
[05:34] <bobstro> WillLuongo: there was a cartoon in the paper recently that had a bunch of guys standing around looking at basketball scores, and a manager commenting that the women actually do an extra month's work for the same pay.
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> I hate framebuffer, mostly beause of the distortions it seems to cause every time I leave it enabled.
[05:34] <geggam> haha
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> Not to mention it breaks suspend to ram.
[05:35] <bobstro> Filthpig: you might check make sure you've got those drivers for both.
[05:35] <geggam> why turn the machine off ?
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> geggam: laptops, and for general saving of energy.
[05:35] <bobstro> geggam: hah. my laptop battery isn't THAT big.
[05:35] <WillLuongo> bobstro: lol That reminds me of the chip commercial with the bunch of guys watching the construction
[05:35] <geggam> laptop is acceptable
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> I suspend my laptop to go from place to place at least 5 times a day.
[05:35] <Filthpig> bobstro, but everything has been flawless until now
[05:35] <geggam> i use X on lappy
[05:36] <bobstro> Filthpig: well your X may use one of those restricted drivers for video.
[05:36] <geggam> i rarely shut machines off... they always break during that cycle
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> geggam: I do as well, I've got beryl on feisty running on my lappy now, but if I enable frambugger I can't suspend to ram.
[05:36] <geggam> still have a working 180mhz ppro
[05:36] <bobstro> LeeJunFan: suspend to disk seems to be working on my dell now with edgy, so i can do that more often now.
[05:36] <geggam> what does beryl do ?
[05:36] <bobstro> geggam: eyecandy maximus
[05:36] <geggam> now i am gonna have to play with it
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> geggam: yeah, like that mailserver with the 1 year uptime I've got, when I reboot that - any changes I might have made in the last year and forgotten about will come back to haunt me.
[05:37] <geggam> LOL LeeJunFan
[05:37] <geggam> i hate that
[05:37] <geggam> no code comments ?
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> geggam: go check for beryl on youtube.com
[05:37] <Filthpig> bob: but the issue is with ext3, not X o_O
[05:37] <bobstro> Filthpig: ok suit yourself
[05:38] <Filthpig> erh
[05:38] <WillLuongo> geggam: I've not heard many good things about beryl and stability or usefulness
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> geggam: yeah, I try to keep up comments and notes, but there's always those things that you "thought" you setup to come back right after reboot that dont.
[05:38] <Filthpig> no need to get mad
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> root@morningstar:/etc/postfix/virtuals# uptime
[05:38] <LeeJunFan>  11:38:14 up 357 days
[05:38] <bobstro> Filthpig: i'm not mad. you're just not interested in what i'm saying!
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> getting real close :)
[05:39] <yonatan_> the autostart worked great :)
[05:39] <geggam> ok ... i would get motion sickeness or something with beryl
[05:39] <bobstro> geggam: yeah, it doesn't strike me as "essential"
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> geggam: hehe, that's what my wife says.
[05:40] <Filthpig> bobstro: of course I am, I just commented that the kernel panic message is because of something with mounting the ext3 disks, nothing graphical
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> Here's my explanation of beryl for people who don't get it: Beryl is like Girls, when you were 5 you were like eeew girls have cooties! Then you were 13 and it was - ooh! girls have ____ies, and then you are hooked.
[05:41] <bobstro> Filthpig: when you say "start kubuntu", do you mean the system or KDE spefically?
[05:41] <Filthpig> the system
[05:41] <bobstro> Filthpig: i thought you meant KDE from your description.
[05:41] <Filthpig> aha
[05:41] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: Beryl does not have boobies.
[05:41] <Filthpig> well, no
[05:42] <bobstro> Filthpig: so it's dying on boot?
[05:42] <Filthpig> it's about 1 or 2 secs after I hit enter on the selected kernel in grub
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: no, but it does have something that once you've played with it - you can't stop.
[05:42] <Filthpig> yep
[05:42] <bobstro> Filthpig: does everything look same in grub menu.lst?
[05:42] <Filthpig> is there somewhere I can find a log file for the 20-14 kernel?
[05:42] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: lol Maybe, but unlike boobies, the investment of time and energy to get to play with it doesn't seem like it pays off enough.
[05:42] <bobstro> LeeJunFan: which is a problem for business productivity!
[05:42] <Filthpig> bobstro, yes
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: LOL! yeah.
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: then again, apt-get install beryl can be eaiser than getting to the other mentioned "package
[05:43] <WillLuongo> bobstro: Which is why women shouldn't be... oh wait, you were talking about beryl? j/k
[05:43] <bobstro> WillLuongo: well, i played with that stuff and got screwed in the end so... we're probably taking this analogy too far.
[05:44] <WillLuongo> bobstro: I don't know that we are... lol
[05:45] <bobstro> WillLuongo: go hang two of those ergonomic squeeze balls on the front of your monitor. tell everyone it's to reduce your carpal tunnel.
[05:45] <WillLuongo> bobstro: LOL I don't know if my wife would buy that one.
[05:45] <geggam> as long as u dont talk about women basketball players u havent crossed the line
[05:46] <bobstro> imus fan, are we?
[05:46] <geggam> how can u avoid it
[05:46] <bobstro> WillLuongo: borrow some victoria's secret gear to hold them.
[05:46] <WillLuongo> bobstro: That will help for sure! lol
[05:47] <andy_> is there somewhere a KDE Feature tour?
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> See now, most of my work is in public view, so strapping some victorias secret to my computer with some saline melons isn't going to bode well.
[05:47] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: Secretary for a church? lol
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> instead of eye candy it'd be hand candy.
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: no, I do a lot of contract/consulting type stuff.
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> like right now I'm sitting at the library where I setup linux on their public workstations.
[05:48] <WillLuongo> WillLuongo: I was just kidding.
[05:48] <WillLuongo> Dangit. I hate it when that happens...
[05:49] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: I was just kidding
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: heh, I think that was implied by the entire content of this conversations we've been having :)
[05:49] <bobstro> LeeJunFan: how are they liking the linux at the library?
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> actually very well.
[05:50] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: Ok. I didn't want it to seem like a slam or anything.
[05:50] <bobstro> LeeJunFan: i was always hoping to get my kids' schools on linux, but they're nearly graduated now...
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> It's funny, I've been a linux guy for about 10-11 yrs now, and I was against it because I was afraid it'd be a support nightmare. But I have to give people more credit I guess, as long as they can get to firefox and google it doesn't matter what the OS is.
[05:50] <bobstro> LeeJunFan: i think a lot wouldn't know the difference!
[05:51] <bobstro> speaking of work... i better get focused. later guys.
[05:51] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: That has been exactly my experience as well. For the non-power user, once it Linux is setup and they can do their email, pictures, and occasional webmovies, Linux is completely transparent to them.
[05:51] <geggam> email web browser and printing
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> there's a little confusion when it comes to burning CD's, using flash drives, etc, but very minor stuff. And I put a help html shortcut on the desktop so they can get to a FAQ of sorts, for things like working with linux devices, and openoffice, printing, etc...
[05:52] <geggam> and the nice thing is they dont have to worry about the pop ups on spam spyware antivirus and marketing crap
[05:52] <geggam> windows is simply a marketing platform
[05:52] <geggam> for everything
[05:52] <WillLuongo> Windows makes my head hurt sometimes.
[05:52] <geggam> i thinkthey wrote loops in vista to make it use hardware
[05:53] <geggam> there is no reason for that kind of usage
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> geggam: yeah, that's the thing. A little over a year ago they had 8 Windows systems, I was in at least twice a week to service them, The linux system has been up for over a year now w/o a single service call issue.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> and now there's 24 linux workstations.
[05:53] <geggam> heh
[05:53] <WillLuongo> geggam: What do you mean they wrote loops to make it use the hardware? Vista doesn't use hardware... ;)
[05:53] <geggam> :|
[05:54] <geggam> ok i must accomplish something today
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> And they are all Thick Clients, so if I need to change anything I only need to make 1 change and all the workstations are affected.
[05:54] <WillLuongo> geggam: I tried it on a couple of computers, and there was always at least one piece of important hardware that wouldn't work. Not to mention the software I couldn't use.
[05:54] <WillLuongo> geggam: Have a good day!
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I guess, things are going well enough here that I don't need to be here. I gotta run to the bank and post office, etc... later guys.
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> everything's been working fine since I found that damn line in fstab with audo instead of auto :)
[05:57] <aaroncampbell> I'm having a strange Samba error.  On a CentOS server, I have 2 shares...set up IDENTICALLY, but sharing different directories.  From windows I can see both, and access both.  However, from Kubuntu (konqueror), I can see both, but only access one
[05:58] <aaroncampbell> The other says "The file or folder smb://ezd3/db_backups does not exist."
[06:01] <WillLuongo> aaroncampbell: That is strange. Usually my SAMBA problems are on the windows boxes not on my Linux boxes.
[06:02] <aaroncampbell> Me too
[06:02] <WillLuongo> aaroncambell: Did you try restarting?
[06:12] <tue> Hello everybody. I tried following the feisty upgrade guide (from edgy), but aftere having added edgy-proposed to my sources list and restarting the package manager, the "upgrade wizard" does not pop up. instead it propose about 1100 packages to upgrade in the usual manner. Should i just do that, or is there a way to start the wizard manually?
[06:19] <andy_> how can I configure my taskbar so that when an application has a "message", that the font gets bold.
[06:19] <andy_> in the taskbar that is
[06:21] <jetsaredim> can someone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405137
[06:22] <CarinArr> !feisty | jetsaredim
[06:22] <ubotu> jetsaredim: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[06:27] <Spammer> Cedega full without neding transgamin account http://www.addict.66gh.com
[06:27] <nixternal> silly script
[06:34] <smile> hil linuxians ... i have only 64Mo memory .. what linux can i install ?
[06:35] <nixternal> smile: look at DSL (Damn Small Linux) or Slax (Slackware and KDE small footprint distro)
[06:36] <smile> nixternal: u r sure it works on a weak comp ?
[06:36] <nixternal> yup
[06:36] <smile> nixternal: thx
[06:36] <snerge> slax is nice
[06:36] <nixternal> it isn't graphically intense for one, and is only like 50mb in size as well
[06:36] <linuxsys> hi
[06:36] <snerge> never really tryed dsl
[06:37] <smile> snerge: it contains openoffice and other softs ?
[06:37] <snerge> hi linuxsys
[06:37] <smile> linuxsys: hi
[06:37] <linuxsys> I dont speak english
[06:38] <snerge> !it | linuxsys
[06:38] <ubotu> linuxsys: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:41] <tuco> I want to have my audigy 2 zs notebook card as the default one. What is the command in the terminal to make sure of that?
[06:45] <m1sha> the command is rip out whatever other soundcard you have
[06:58] <satya> hi
[06:59] <tue> Hello everybody. I tried following the feisty upgrade guide (from edgy), but aftere having added edgy-proposed to my sources list and restarting the package manager, the "upgrade wizard" does not pop up. instead it propose about 1100 packages to upgrade in the usual manner. Should i just do that, or is there a way to start the wizard manually?
[07:00] <LegolasV> tue: yes, you should first install the packages from proposed these include the wizard
[07:00] <tue> okay. so i just install all 1000 then.
[07:01] <tue> this will be fun.
[07:01] <fdoving> LegolasV: it shouldn't be over 1000
[07:01] <fdoving> tue: no, wait.
[07:01] <fdoving> tue: hang on for a second.
[07:01] <tuco> sorry M1sha. I don't understand what you said?
[07:01] <tue> its 1015 to be exact.
[07:01] <LegolasV> tue: that many?
[07:01] <satya> how are you checking ?
[07:01] <fdoving> tue: you added edgy-proposed, did you change all entries from edgy to feisty in your sources too?
[07:01] <tue> fdoving: it seems to have done that automatically.
[07:01] <sppt> hello
[07:02] <tuco> I remember using a command in the terminal to have the audigy 2 card the default one. Forgot that command!
[07:02] <fdoving> tue: then change it back to edgy, and re-run the updater.
[07:02] <satya> check only relevent updates
[07:03] <tue> fdoving: should i remove feisty-proposed?
[07:03] <LegolasV> make it edgy-proposed
[07:03] <sppt> could anyone tell me why i get this kind of errors when i try to run beryl, glxinfo or my favorite java game? http://rafb.net/p/fDtmqI45.html im not sure what it is and how to fix :\
[07:03] <satya> nup
[07:03] <fdoving> tue: change it back to edgy-proposed
[07:04] <m1sha> tuco: I spent aages trying to reliably set the default soundcard and the only way I found was to take out the one I wasn't using
[07:04] <CarinArr> sppt: what video card?
[07:04] <sppt> nvidia 6600gt
[07:05] <CarinArr> sppt: what nvidia drivers?
[07:05] <sppt> the binary ones i believe
[07:05] <sppt> from nvidia.com
[07:05] <tuco> No it works I know. I have a laptop with intel onboard sound and an audigy 2zs using the pcmia slot. I want the audigy to be the only one, and I can't choose in the bios!
[07:05] <LegolasV> Does anyone know what's the highest resolution that nvidia-glx-legacy supports?
[07:05] <CarinArr> sppt: have you updated your xorg.conf?
[07:06] <sppt> CarinArr: the installer of the drivers did that i believe
[07:06] <CarinArr> sppt: can you !pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:06] <WillLuongo> !pastebin
[07:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:06] <sppt> CarinArr, you only wanna know the driver in xorg.conf?
[07:06] <tue> fdoving: thanks. changed it all back to edgy, and pressed "fetch updates". Now its not proposing to download any extra packages, but still no wizard. restarting adept manager does not change this.
[07:06] <supernix> Hiya gang
[07:06] <sppt> CarinArr, driver = nv
[07:07] <tuco> somebody gave me a link once on the web, and I lost it :-(
[07:07] <supernix> I updated to Kubuntu 6.10 now when I open Konqueror all I see are the home folder and the mount folder cant get to the root / anymore
[07:07] <LegolasV> tue: did you upgrade some adept packages?
[07:07] <fdoving> tue: hmm. it's some time since i did this, can you hang on for a few min? i'll try to find a machine with edgy on.
[07:07] <WillLuongo> supernix: I have the same problem
[07:07] <sppt> CarinArr, http://rafb.net/p/vvRLYC62.html
[07:07] <CarinArr> sppt: well i was more after having a quick look at your xorg.conf.. but yeah your driver should say "nvidia" and you should have a "Load "glx"" in the Module section
[07:07] <WillLuongo> supernix: I think it is protecting the / directory from non superusers
[07:08] <tue> LegolasV: when i followed the upgrade guide, it initially updated adept yes.
[07:08] <supernix> oic
[07:08] <tue> fdoving: sure, thanks a lot of the effort.
[07:08] <supernix> hmmm how to open konqueror in superuser mode then ?
[07:08] <CarinArr> sppt: your driver line should definitely say "nvidia" rather than "nv"
[07:08] <supernix> sudo konqueror would that due ?
[07:08] <sppt> so that should do it?
[07:08] <LegolasV> tue: then it should give an update notice when you restart the update manager and look for updates
[07:08] <tue> fdoving: the only thing "non-standard" about my distribution (iic) is that i have kde 3.5.6 installed.
[07:09] <WillLuongo> supernix: It is worth a try.
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> don't use sudo to run gui kde apps.
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> !kdesu
[07:09] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:09] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: Thanks!
[07:09] <fdoving> tue: ah.. then you might need some other repository, not just edgy-proposed.
[07:09] <CarinArr> sppt: from a quick glance, yes
[07:09] <sppt> alright
[07:09] <sppt> ill try restarting the x server then
[07:09] <supernix> WillLuongo: sorry to say that didn't help much
[07:10] <supernix> shows more folders but still no /
[07:10] <LegolasV> fdoving, tue: second proposed line here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[07:10] <fdoving> tue: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[07:10] <tue> fdoving: indeed. i think there is a problem with the extra kde-3.5.6-to-feisty repository. it did downgrade kde well enough though.
[07:10] <fdoving> as legolasv says :)
[07:10] <WillLuongo> supernix: It didn't work for me either.
[07:10] <gr-cn> Hi to all, i upgraded to feisty 1 month ago and it was ok, today i fetch upgrade from adept and it told to me there is a new version upgrade but upgrade wizard  doesn't work. Anyone know why?
[07:10] <supernix> hmmm if I find a resolution I will chime back in
[07:11] <CarinArr> why would sudo muck up your permissions?
[07:11] <sppt> thanks CarinArr, it works :D
[07:11] <CarinArr> fantastic:)
[07:11] <jhutchins> gr-cn: Someone in the Feisty support channel might know - #ubuntu+1
[07:12] <CarinArr> gr-cn: known bug;)
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> CarinArr: because sudo keeps your envrionment vars, like $HOME in tact, but runs as root, so you end up with tmpfiles kde apps makes being owned by root. You loose ownership of them.
[07:12] <CarinArr> LeeJunFan: aha, didn't know that
[07:13] <CarinArr> gr-cn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/102782
[07:14] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: Do you have advise for the viewing of / directory in KNoqueror?
[07:14] <WillLuongo> Konqueror even
[07:14] <WillLuongo> and advice
[07:14] <WillLuongo> While you are at it can you teach me to type? lol
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: there's a .hidden file in / - if you remove that you should be able to see it.
[07:15] <XelleX> some one here that has installed snu6500 from philips on kubuntu
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> hehe
[07:15] <tue> okay. tried to comment the kde-3.5.6-to-3.5.5 stuff out and reran apept. still not showing that wizard.
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> !hidden
[07:15] <ubotu> Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[07:15] <WillLuongo> How windowsish of Ubuntu
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> Thank god that's gone in feisty.
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: yeah, I agree.
[07:15] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: no kidding.
[07:15] <CarinArr> indeed
[07:16] <WillLuongo> I feel like part of me just died.
[07:16] <WillLuongo> lol
[07:16] <fdoving> !hidden | willluongo
[07:16] <ubotu> willluongo: Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[07:16] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: I've been getting fed up with those types of changes more and more, customizing the OS is just asking for confusion.
[07:16] <CarinArr> i use kopete
[07:16] <fdoving> the .hidden bug is removed in feisty.
[07:16] <CarinArr> er wrong widnow
[07:16] <XelleX> noone has any knowalge of philips snu6500?
[07:17] <WillLuongo> fdoving: I don't think it is a bug, I think it is a feature borrowed from Microsoft.
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: MS only has bugs to offer, so I guess it IS a bug.
[07:17] <fdoving> WillLuongo: yeah, i call it a bug on purpose, though i know it was introduced on purpose.
[07:17] <sppt> ms is one big virus
[07:17] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: Touche. lol
[07:18] <XelleX> that would linux be too if it was the most popular OS so
[07:18] <sppt> i dont think so...
[07:18] <XelleX> i do
[07:18] <fdoving> offtopic and useless to discuss anyway.
[07:18] <XelleX> not so many use linux so why make virus on them
[07:18] <sppt> thats ok :)
[07:18] <XelleX> sure thing
[07:18] <sppt> well, microsoft itself is a virus, that is what i meant
[07:19] <apokryphos> ubotu: offtopic
[07:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:19] <XelleX> brb going to boot up kunbutu
[07:21] <sppt> is it possible to get the back/forward buttons on a logitech mx1000 to work in kubuntu? i tried xmodmap'ing it, but it didnt work out
[07:22] <aris> j
[07:22] <apokryphos> sppt: here's a good guide: http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2006/04/mapping-unsupported-keys-with-xmodmap.html
[07:22] <tue> does anyone know what the name of the update manager is in kubuntu? update-manager seems to identify itself as a gnome application.
[07:22] <gr-cn> tnx jhutchins i'll look there
[07:22] <WillLuongo> Tue: Adept
[07:22] <gr-cn> tnx CarinArr too
[07:23] <MuJ> apt-get ftw
[07:23] <sppt> apokryphos, does that also work with the accents like é and è? i'd like to have those :)
[07:23] <tue> WillLuongo: i mean the application for upgrading from edgy to feisty. Adept is having some issues starting that program.
[07:23] <kumamoto> anyone ever setup a vpn client for example pptp or openvpn
[07:23] <WillLuongo> tue: Oh, sorry.
[07:23] <blekos> anybody using a 3d desktop with feisty
[07:24] <kumamoto> !vpn
[07:24] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[07:24] <WillLuongo> tue: apt-get is it then.
[07:24] <apokryphos> sppt: everything
[07:24] <WillLuongo> tue: but when my adept broke updating it took apt-get with it. I had to reinstall from a newer disk.
[07:24] <sppt> cool
[07:24] <sppt> gtg for now
[07:25] <intEx> I'm having some trouble with installing Nvidia drivers for my graphics-card. It says I don't have any libc header files installed. Anyone can help?
[07:26] <tue> WillLuongo: Im also becoming inclined to just add feisty to my sources list and let it install it all. But i have an idea it will give a headache later on :-).
[07:27] <busfahrer> Excuse me, when maximising a window, I still have the windows border around it. On my system at home this is not the case (as, I think, it should be). What's wrong? (I am not currently, but have, using Beryl on that system)
[07:27] <jhutchins> tue: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[07:28] <LeeJunFan> busfahrer: it's a setting in appearance on kde, just a sec.
[07:28] <tue> jhutchins: been there. came to the second last step, but adept is not putting up the upgrade wizard. looking into why not and how i can manually make it start.
[07:29] <comosicus> kopete channel is strange...
[07:29] <comosicus> :)))))
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> busfahrer: under window behaviour, advance - allow moving and resizing of maximized windows.
[07:29] <comosicus> what is happend in kopete channel.......anybody know
[07:30] <kumamoto> !pptp
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <kumamoto> !openvpn
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openvpn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <calamari> hi
[07:30] <tuco> damn I can't find it!
[07:31] <busfahrer> LeeJunFan: Cheers mate
[07:31] <WillLuongo> calamari: hello
[07:31] <blekos> is there a text based mail client (if i want to use putty for eg)?
[07:31] <zrosmar> helo!!! from Poza,Rica,Veracruz, Mexico...north america:D
[07:31] <calamari> hi WillLuongo, how are you?
[07:31] <WillLuongo> calamari: I am good, and you?
[07:31] <calamari> not too bad! :)
[07:32] <calamari> actually got 9 hours of sleep last night, that helped
[07:33] <calamari> having a weird problem.. hopefully someone has seen this before
[07:33] <comosicus> hmmmmmm
[07:33] <comosicus> what i have to do to set kopete sound
[07:33] <WillLuongo> calamari: what is it?
[07:34] <calamari> when I boot up, my screen colors are slightly corrupted, (screenshot) http://kidsquid.com/monitor2.jpg   (original) http://kidsquid.com/monitor1.jpg    When I switch to, say, terminal 1, then back to terminal 7.. it fixes it
[07:35] <WillLuongo> calamari: that is weird. I've got nothing. lol
[07:35] <calamari> WillLuongo: that's okay.. maybe someone else has seen it :)
[07:37] <jhutchins> calamari: That kind of thing is pretty hard to track down and fix.
[07:38] <blekos> can i connect to ubutnu from xp machine? vpn ?
[07:38] <tuco> Please someone. How can I make my audigy 2 the card by default?
[07:39] <comosicus> what i have to do to set kopete sound?
 can i connect to ubutnu from xp machine? vpn ?          with  VNC
[07:39] <WillLuongo> comosicus: I couldn't get the sound to work correctly in Kopete at all, so I went back to Gaim (now called pidgin)
[07:39] <daminator> hi! i installed kubuntu 7.04! my wlan card works, but which driver does it use now? madwifi? where can i see it?
[07:40] <comosicus> thanks
[07:45] <WillLuongo> How can I extract as SU?
[07:45] <WillLuongo> (in the GUI)
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: you can use kdesu [command]
[07:47] <WillLuongo> LeeJunFan: Is there a way to do it from Konqueror?
[07:47] <daminator> hi! i installed kubuntu 7.04! my wlan card works, but which driver does it use now? madwifi? where can i see it?
[07:47] <raidy> hola
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> WillLuongo: not that I know of. you can do kdesu ark from a terminal. Unfortunately kubuntu removes the open terminal from the tools menu of konqueror :(
[07:49] <Drooling_Sheep> F4 still will open konsole though
[07:49] <Drooling_Sheep> in konqueror
[07:50] <tinyx> hey
[07:50] <don_jr__> Anyone here use kmldonkey that can help me get it to run?
[07:50] <WillLuongo> Thank you.
[07:50] <tinyx> im trying to install the flash player in konqueror
[07:50] <busfahrer> Excuse me, how can I setup the ripping parameters for Konqueror's audiocd:/ protocol?
[07:50] <sppt> could someone help me with this error i get when i try to run beryl? http://rafb.net/p/ornGM794.html
[07:51] <cattail> hello
[07:53] <tuco> guys when I type alsamixer and press F2, there are three choices: 0 for intel, 1 for my webcam (?) and 2 for my audigy. How can have the 2 by default instead of 0?
[07:54] <don_jr__> What exactly is beryl?
[07:54] <manu_> hi
[07:54] <intEx> How does one bind a key to a command in Kubuntu?
[07:54] <sppt> its that desktop cube thing ;) http://www.beryl-project.org/
[07:55] <Drooling_Sheep> settings -> configure shortcuts, intEx
[07:55] <manu_> i wanted to create a xawtv configuration file in my $HOME, i made a new file with the name .xawtv and the start message disappeared, but my settings arent chosen for color so i think theyre wrong, someone knows how the file should look like?
[07:56] <neil__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/104596
[07:56] <manu_> allready have seen man xawtvrc
[07:56] <neil__> anybody know how i can get around this?
[07:56] <comosicus> are you sure about pidgin...maybe the spelling......i can't find him.......in repositoares,automatix,package manager
[07:56] <neil__> my system hangs on resume from suspend to ram
[07:56] <WillLuongo> comosicus: You have to look for Gaim
[07:56] <jhutchins> manu_: Maybe the xawtv homepage?
[07:56] <intEx> Ermn... Exactly where do I find that, Drooling? (I'm noob!)
[07:56] <comosicus> aaaa
[07:56] <WillLuongo> comosicus: they just changed the name, it isn't in the repositories yet.
[07:57] <WillLuongo> comosicus: you also may have to make sure you have universe and multiverse uncommented
[07:57] <comosicus> do you have a version
[07:57] <comosicus> aha
[07:58] <WillLuongo> comosicus: I have 2.0 beta 3 which is directly from Adept
[07:58] <comosicus> gaim what version?
[07:58] <comosicus> aha
[07:58] <comosicus> thanks
[07:58] <WillLuongo> comosicus: no problem.
[07:59] <zrosmar> elcuco you!
[07:59] <elcuco> zrosmar: hi
[07:59] <manu_> jhutchins: nope :( i need it only for the color/brightness settings
[08:00] <tuco> guys when I type alsamixer and press F2, there are three choices: 0 for intel, 1 for my webcam (?) and 2 for my audigy. How can have the 2 by default instead of 0?
[08:01] <Imamoomoocow> hello everyone
[08:01] <WillLuongo> How can I tell a konsole app to open full screen rather than pressing Alt Enter?
[08:01] <WillLuongo> From a shortcut.
[08:01] <sppt> anyways, is there any way to get flash working with opera on 64 bits kubuntu?
[08:01] <manu_> jhutchins: do you know how to give the device a name cause my xawtv window is "???" named, webcam would be fine :)
[08:02] <AFaith> hello everyone ...
[08:02] <AFaith> i have a problem with wine & on winehq channel
[08:02] <AFaith> no one is online
[08:02] <manu_> tuco: isnt it possible to store changes with alsamixer via "alsactl store" and "alsactl restore" for loading a stored file?
[08:02] <Imamoomoocow> yea
[08:02] <Imamoomoocow> whats your wine problem?
[08:03] <manu_> [20:02]  <AFaith> i have a problem with wine <-- sounds funny :D
[08:03] <darktears> hello guys i have a little problem on my kubuntu version : i use feidgy and when i install all was great but when i update with adept i have a problem with my sound card it's an intel HDA my laptop is ASUS A8JR and i hear a big noise abd sometimes no sound i serach on the web but nothing work (same problem on eidgy and dapper)
[08:03] <AFaith> manu & Imamoomoocow : i'm having a problem with utorrent emulated in wine
[08:04] <Imamoomoocow> why not use ktorrent?
[08:04] <AFaith> it crashes everytime I hit the update tracker
[08:04] <Imamoomoocow> its pretty much the same
[08:04] <AFaith> ktorrent sucks ... it doesn't connect on the other peers
[08:04] <tuco> don't know about alsactl store Manu
[08:04] <neil__> Anyone know what could cause my system to hang on resume from standby?
[08:05] <daminator> how can i find out which version of the madwifi drivers i have?
[08:05] <comosicus> so........gaim is ok
[08:05] <tuco> There was once a command to do to make the audigy the defualt card
[08:05] <comosicus> now what
[08:06] <tuco> I did lspci but the audigy isn't displayed there, but it shows in kmix. I am confused.
[08:07] <comosicus> plug in action....not availabel
[08:07] <comosicus> to gaim
[08:07] <comosicus> so.......
[08:07] <WillLuongo> comosicus: You installed gaim but it doesn't work?
[08:07] <comosicus> williongo...............
[08:07] <comosicus> no
[08:07] <AFaith> heloooooo... no one is seeing my cry for help :(( ?
[08:07] <comosicus> gaim is working fine
[08:08] <comosicus> but now what?
[08:08] <WillLuongo> comosicus: to configure the sounds you can go to tools --> Preferences --> SOunds tab
[08:09] <mastertsunami> hey i'm new to kubuntu and was wondering how i can get images in konqueror to not automatically resize?
[08:09] <mastertsunami> s/kubuntu/kde
[08:10] <leafw> any clues on how to make "detailed list view" be default in konqueror
[08:10] <leafw> it's driving me nuts
[08:10] <leafw> there is no obvious way to set it
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> leafw: can't you just open your ~ folder set to detail, then save view profile?
[08:11] <comosicus> how do i test the sound now
[08:11] <comosicus> i don't have anyoane online in my buddy lists
[08:11] <WillLuongo> You can give me your screenname and I'll IM you?
[08:13] <michael> hi
[08:13] <michael> I NEED HELP
[08:13] <michael> with kubuntu
[08:13] <michael> jai besoin daide pour kubuntu
[08:13] <manu_> a guy here who can help me to create a xawtv config file? :(
[08:13] <michael> i need help to use beryl
[08:14] <michael> jai besoin daide pour beryl
[08:18] <neil__> hy guys, I need to add  the boot parameter "acpi_sleep=s3_bios,s3_mode" into grub, how do I do this?
[08:19] <Yorokobi> neil__, find the line in /boot/grub/menu.lst that starts with '# kopt' and add that option there (leave the '# ') then run update-grub
[08:19] <neil__> thanks
[08:19] <Yorokobi> neil__, '# kopt acpi_sleep=s3_bios,s3_mode' is how it should look
[08:19] <michael> i need help for beryl or compiz using aigl x on kubuntu
[08:19] <neil__> how do i remove it again if it fails?
[08:20] <neil__> just delete and run update again?
[08:20] <Yorokobi> neil__, yep
[08:20] <leafw> LeeJunFan : thanks, I was not expecting it where it actually is.
[08:20] <michael> somebody can help me?
[08:20] <Yorokobi> michael, http://www.beryl-project.org/
[08:20] <michael> i know this
[08:20] <Yorokobi> michael, check out the setup instructions in the wiki
[08:20] <michael> i just installed it
[08:21] <neil__> Yorokobi: I already have this:
[08:21] <neil__> # kopt=root=UUID=ea65d240-73a2-4980-b536-45e1acc16bc4 ro
[08:21] <neil__> # kopt_2_6=root=/dev/sda3 ro
[08:21] <neil__> how should i slot the above parameters in?
[08:21] <Yorokobi> neil__, add anothe # kopt
[08:21] <daminator> I have Kubuntu 7.04! I think I have the madwifi_ng driver, but i NEED the old normal madwifi drivers (to make kismet work). How can i remove madwifi_ng ?
[08:22] <tuco> guys please how can I make the audigy 2 zs card the default one in alsamixer, at the moment it is only hda intel!
[08:22] <LeeJunFan> daminator: kismet works with madwifi_ng now.
[08:22] <neil__> So I now have 3 lines, with this after the 1st:
[08:22] <Yorokobi> neil__, correction to previous post: '# kopt=acpi_sleep=s3_bios,s3_mode' is how it should look (I forgot the =)
[08:22] <neil__> # kopt acpi_sleep=s3_bios,s3_mode
[08:22] <neil__> ah ok
[08:23] <neil__> so I just stick in that line below the 1st one ?:)
[08:23] <Yorokobi> neil__, or find the blank # kopt that should be there and add it there
[08:23] <neil__> no blank one :)
[08:24] <neil__> thanks a lot for your help mate, will try it now
[08:24] <Yorokobi> neil__,
[08:24] <neil__> yup?
[08:24] <imamoomoocow[awa> anyone have a clue how to get open gl working on a kubuntu feisty fawn dist
[08:24] <comosicus>  does kopete have an option for voice conferences like microshit messenger=
[08:24] <neil__> update-grub merged the 2 lines actually Yorokobi
[08:24] <neil__> so I have one long one now
[08:24] <Yorokobi> ah, okay
[08:24] <neil__> :D
[08:24] <daminator> @leejunfan hm i have installed the newest version of kismet but when i start it i get a warning
[08:24] <daminator> WARNING:  Found a non-master non-monitor VAP wifi0::ath0.  Madwifi-ng has historically had problems with normal-mode VAPs combined with monitor-mode VAPs.  You may need to remove them.
[08:25] <daminator> and it doesn't find my network
[08:26] <imamoomoocow> ok does anyone know how to install open gl on a linux machine?
[08:27] <WillLuongo> imamoomoocow: It should be on there already
[08:27] <imamoomoocow> really?
[08:27] <Goliath23> imamoomoocow: what graphics board do you have and what distribution?
[08:27] <robi_> anybody have dvb-t on ubuntu?
[08:27] <WillLuongo> imamoomoocow: yeah.
[08:27] <Goliath23> robi_: yes, me
[08:27] <robi_> usb or pci?
[08:27] <imamoomoocow> im running kubuntu feisty fawn beta with a intel extreme graphics card
[08:28] <robi_> I put fw on /lib/firmware
[08:28] <robi_> after kaffeine found signal
[08:28] <robi_> then kaffeine dont respond
[08:28] <robi_> latest two line when manual run kaffeine is
[08:28] <robi_> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:28] <robi_> video_out_opengl: compiled for BGRA output, but missing extension.
[08:28] <Goliath23> imamoomoocow: if that's a fairly up to date intel card it should be there already. what does "glxinfo |grep Direct" show you if you type it in a terminal?
[08:29] <robi_> have ATI card
[08:29] <Goliath23> robi_: try using another video output driver in the kaffeine xine settings
[08:29] <imamoomoocow> hmm glxinfo |grep Direct returns nothing
[08:29] <imamoomoocow> no anwser at all
[08:30] <Goliath23> sorry: glxinfo |grep dir
[08:30] <Goliath23> lowercase
[08:30] <imamoomoocow> ok
[08:30] <robi_> robi@ubuntu:~$ kaffeine
[08:30] <robi_> ERROR: Communication problem with kaffeine, it probably crashed.
[08:30] <imamoomoocow> comes back yes
[08:31] <Goliath23> so direct rendering is enabled. that means you have opengl running
[08:31] <Goliath23> 3d screensavers and so on should work
[08:32] <imamoomoocow> ok then why can't WoW initialize 3d graphics when i run in opengl mode?
[08:32] <WillLuongo> imamoomoocow: probably a wine problem
[08:32] <imamoomoocow> i don't know
[08:32] <Goliath23> yes. to play WoW on linux you have to use the latest wine version afaik
[08:32] <imamoomoocow> everyone seems to think that its a opengl issue
[08:33] <sppt> is there any way to get flash working with opera on 64 bits kubuntu?
[08:34] <Goliath23> imamoomoocow: can you run "glxgears"?
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> sppt: don't know about opera, w/o chroot, but maybe this'll help:
[08:34] <max_> hi
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> !flash64 | sppt
[08:34] <ubotu> sppt: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[08:34] <max_> how can i add new channel to Konversation?
[08:34] <imamoomoocow> yes glxgears runs fine
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> max_: /join #channel
[08:34] <geggam> ok... playing with beryl is sort of fun
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> geggam: hehe, I told ya.
[08:35] <Goliath23> imamoomoocow: that means your opengl is working. its probable a problem with your wine setup
[08:35] <Goliath23> do you have the latest wine version installed?
[08:35] <imamoomoocow> ok
[08:35] <sppt> thanks LeeJunFan, ill try it ;)
[08:35] <don_jr__> how can I get macromedia flash to work in konqueror?
[08:35] <Goliath23> I know there are some extra repositories to get the latest wine.,
[08:35] <imamoomoocow> i have what was standard on feisty fawn
[08:36] <LeeJunFan> don_jr__: if you have it installed you probably just need to add the dir where it can be found to the list konq looks for plugins.
[08:36] <Goliath23> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb <- you could try adding those repos in your package manager (synaptics on ubuntu or adept on kubuntu)
[08:36] <imamoomoocow> ok
[08:36] <geggam> this whole flippy around in a square thing is kinda annoying when i do it by accident via the touchpad tho
[08:37] <don_jr__> I have it installed, the website I look at shows that I don't have an up to date version that it wants
[08:38] <don_jr__> geggam I just put beryl on my box....not sure about it just yet...
[08:38] <imamoomoocow> ran sudo apt-get install wine and returned "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove"
[08:38] <geggam> i just did something i cant figure out how i did again
[08:39] <geggam> all the windows sort of were small on the desktop
[08:39] <don_jr__> LeeJuanFan I have a version of flash player, but the site I"m looking at tells me that it's not up-to-date enough
[08:39] <Goliath23> imamoomoocow: did your add the new repository and ran a sudo apt-get update?
[08:39] <don_jr__> geggam yeah I"d like to learn how to do that too! lol if ya figure it out, let me know
[08:39] <geggam> i just did it
[08:39] <geggam> :|
[08:39] <LeeJunFan> !flash9
[08:39] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports.  See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:40] <Goliath23> imamoomoocow: you have to add the repository as explained on the wine url I gave you
[08:40] <sppt> gah ill use firefox for my flash needs then
[08:41] <imamoomoocow> ok just ran repository and install returned the same 0 added, 0 upgraded
[08:41] <kervel> is knetworkmanager broken currently ?
[08:41] <kervel> since last update it refuses to connect to any WEP encrypted wireless network
[08:41] <imamoomoocow> me too
[08:42] <kervel> i always get this: nm_dbus_get_user_key_for_network_cb(): dbus returned an error.   (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo was not provided by any .service files
[08:42] <kervel> when i google for that error i find almost nothing
[08:42] <Goliath23> imamoomoocow: sorry, if there's no newer version for wine that might help you, I don't know what might be wrong.
[08:43] <Yorokobi> kervel, I get that even when knetworkmanager works.
[08:43] <imamoomoocow> ok thanks for the help ill google it again
[08:43] <kervel> Yorokobi, ah, so that's not the error
[08:43] <kervel> Yorokobi weird, next line in my syslog: "Deactivating device eth1."
[08:44] <kervel> that's why i tought it was the fault
[08:44] <don_jr__> Okay I enabled the backports and did a search for flash...came up with alot, how do I know which package works with konqueror?
[08:44] <kervel> Yorokobi is knetworkmanager broken for you too atm ?
[08:44] <Yorokobi> kervel, knetwork monitor has some issues with wifi still. I use WPA2/TKIP and 3/4 times have to reboot my wireless router in order for knetworkmanager to actually work.
[08:44] <kervel> ow ...
[08:45] <Yorokobi> kervel, or play with knetworkmanager/kwalletmanager/dhcp until it works. Its easier for me to pull the power on the router :)
[08:45] <kervel> Yorokobi .. i am using network manager for 6 months without problems now. suddenly it stopped working, seems it immediately cancels after trying to set the ESSID and so
[08:45] <geggam> ok don_jr__
[08:45] <don_jr__> I think I found it
[08:45] <geggam> put the mouse all the way in the top right corner
[08:45] <kervel> Yorokobi your router ain't an airport by any chance
[08:46] <Yorokobi> kervel, negative. I have a dlink router
[08:46] <don_jr__> geggam top right corner, in or out of a window or does it matter?
[08:46] <kervel> Yorokobi because we have airports at work (WEP) and we need to reboot them all the time too
[08:46] <don_jr__> wow, just put it there! lol
[08:46] <don_jr__> that's cool, thank you
[08:46] <geggam> and here is another don_jr__  .... go to an empty desktop .... press crtl and alt then click the dessktop and move the arrows around
[08:46] <Yorokobi> kervel, I didn't have to reboot it previous to switching from WEP to WPA2 *and* using knetworkmanager instead of wlassistant
[08:46] <geggam> or mouse
[08:46] <kervel> strange
[08:47] <kervel> ok i'll try again after deleting knetworkmanagerrc
[08:47] <Yorokobi> kervel, if you're on a WEP network you may as well use wlassistant. It works.
[08:47] <geggam> ctrl +alt .. left mouse ... click on a desktop and hold left mouse... then move it around
[08:47] <don_jr__> geggam I'll do that later, gotta go for a job rientation.  Thanks alot for showing me that!!
[08:47] <geggam> good luck
[08:47] <don_jr__> wow, that's odd! lol
[08:48] <kervel> haha ! now i found the real error i think: Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.14" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file
[08:49] <stryjan> hello, I'm trying to make my adept start dist upgrade manager. Until recently after each "fetch updates" it showed me a window asking if I wanted to upgrade, but about two days ago the window stopped appearing?
[08:49] <stryjan> does anybody have a clue why?
[08:53] <tuco> Damn it the audigy now has sound! But the laptop doesn't shut down normally I have to press hard reset to switch it off. Happened twice...help!
[08:55] <kervel_> hooray, i fixed my networkmanager
[08:55] <kervel_> it seems that at_console in dbus is not working
[08:56] <busfahre1> Hi, when using the kpf applet (easy file sharing), it tells me the zeroconf daemon isnt running, how do I start and/or install it?
[08:56] <kervel_> knetworkmanager only gets to own the NetworkManagerInfo service when it is at_console. when i change the at_console to context=default, everything works
[08:56] <letynsoft> hi i have problem... i want run my Kubuntu with 3D support... i'm running Radeon X1600... and i don't know, how to install it
[08:56] <kervel_> busfahre1 i think in recent kubuntu you can do it in the system settings
[08:56] <zhapod_> i've got the same problem
[08:57] <kervel_> under "network settings"
[08:57] <Yorokobi> kervel_, where is at_console set?
[08:57] <zhapod_> with beryl
[08:57] <stryjan> I'm trying to make my adept start dist upgrade manager. Until recently after each "fetch updates" it showed me a window asking if I wanted to upgrade, but about two days ago the window stopped appearing
[08:57] <LeeJunFan> !ati
[08:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:57] <kervel_> Yorokobi in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/knetworkmanager.conf there is a
[08:57] <kervel_>         <policy at_console="true">
[08:57] <zhapod_> busfahre1: do you speak german?
[08:57] <letynsoft> thank u
[08:57] <kervel_> in that policy everything is allowed
[08:58] <kervel_> below that there is a <policy context="default">
[08:58] <kervel_> with everything deny'd
[08:58] <kervel_> when i change the deny to allow in context="default" everything started working
[08:58] <busfahre1> zhapod: yes
[08:58] <kervel_> Yorokobi so dbus doesn't detect i'm working at console for some reason
[08:59] <Yorokobi> kervel_, cool, I'll have to try that on my laptop when I get a chance.
[08:59] <kervel_> Yorokobi it could be related to your WPA problem too. the error we got means network manager is unable to retrieve network keys
[08:59] <kervel_> from your kwallet
[08:59] <letynsoft> heh... my "glxinfo |grep direct" writes "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0""
[08:59] <zhapod> busfahre1: gut. ich kann dir sagen, wie man 3d fr radeon installiert
[08:59] <Yorokobi> kervel_, I've considered that as knetworkmanager doesn't try to open the wallet 100% of the time
[09:00] <busfahre1> zhapod: Sorry, I did not ask that
[09:01] <zhapod> oh.. i see.
[09:01] <kervel_> Yorokobi offcourse, i really wonder why dbus doesn't see me as a console user. i'd prefer at_console to work instead of that "no security at all" workaround
[09:01] <zhapod> wrong line...
[09:01] <imamoomoocow> OK im back
[09:02] <Goliath23> anybody experienced a problem with feisty where windows aren't clickable anymore and the screen is not updated correctly?
[09:02] <imamoomoocow> WoW still says "WoW.exe could not initialize 3d acceleration"
[09:02] <Yorokobi> kervel, dunno. You may need to ask one of the developers that question.
[09:02] <LeeJunFan> Goliath23: not here. You aren't running beryl are you?
[09:02] <Goliath23> LeeJunFan: no
[09:03] <Yorokobi> Goliath23, yeah, I have.
[09:03] <Goliath23> LeeJunFan: its my brother, I installed feisty amd64 on his box
[09:03] <stryjan> I'm trying to make my adept start dist upgrade manager. Until recently after each "fetch updates" it showed me a window asking if I wanted to upgrade (but back then, I didn't do that ), but about two days ago the window stopped appearing (unfortunately, now I want to upgrade). Help
[09:03] <Goliath23> Yorokobi: really? what setup do you have?
[09:03] <Yorokobi> Goliath23, ah, I missed LeeJunFan's message. I only have that problem with Beryl. Sorry.
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> !upgrade | stryjan
[09:03] <Goliath23> ok
[09:03] <ubotu> stryjan: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:03] <stryjan> yeah, I've read that
[09:04] <stryjan> but id doesn't work
[09:04] <LeeJunFan> stryjan: hrm, sry - I never use adept, I use comand line apt-get.
[09:05] <stryjan> "apt-get dist-upgrade" does nothing
[09:05] <geggam> i find beryl suprisingly stable
[09:05] <xtknight> how do i access the restricted manager in Feisty?
[09:05] <xtknight> (kde)
[09:05] <geggam> change the sources stryjan
[09:05] <stryjan> well, I wanted to avoid that
[09:05] <soulrider> !vmware
[09:05] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[09:06] <geggam> how can u upgrade without changing the source to the next version ?
[09:06] <geggam> u can update
[09:06] <stryjan> I wanted to upgrade with adept
[09:07] <xtknight> also why does kde print so many errors to stdout/err?  Like X Error BadDevice, etc?  not used to it in gnome
[09:08] <reagleBRKLN> it appears feisty changes edgy default of mounting external drives sync https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/104241 any idea on how to reverse?
[09:08] <geggam> stryjan,  i am unsure how to change adepts settings as it seems to read apt sources
[09:09] <LeeJunFan> geggam: I smoothed out my beryl quite a bit by installing schedutils, and chrt -p 1 `pidof X`, as well as compiling my own kernel with desktop latency and preempt.
[09:09] <stryjan> the new tool is suposed to check "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development" and change sources.list by itself
[09:09] <stryjan> buand I think it used to do so (back then, when it showed me the window)
[09:09] <geggam> LeeJunFan,  it seems quite smooth without any tweeking
[09:10] <geggam> im not used to eye candy tinkering LeeJunFan
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> geggam: realtime priority makes my beryl run smooth as silk even while I'm compiling a kernel at the same time openoffice is loading :)
[09:10] <stryjan> but now it seems as it checks only "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release"
[09:10] <geggam> ah
[09:12] <geggam> one thing i dont like about beryl LeeJunFan
[09:12] <geggam> i cant move things from one desktop to another
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> geggam: should be able to drag them || ctrl-alt-shift-arrow key
[09:13] <geggam> :|
[09:13] <geggam> holy pass the dramamine
[09:14] <geggam> i think i went all the way around twice
[09:15] <xtknight> !beryl
[09:15] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:15] <anti_pop> i want to control my desktop via a bluetooth mobile phone, is there a good kde app for that ?
[09:19] <stryjan> so it means that the whole adept dist upgrade is quite broken?
[09:22] <geggam> my adept told me there was a version upgrade after i updated just now stryjan
[09:23] <stryjan> are You on edgy or feisty geggam?
[09:23] <geggam> fesity
[09:23] <stryjan> I'm on edgy
[09:26] <stryjan> ok, I surrender. I'll go and mess around with my sources.list. I hope I won't break anything
[09:27] <stryjan> see you round
[09:28] <reldruh> is there a way to set a global shortcut for opening a new email message from kontact? Like digikam does when you email pictures?
[09:28] <DaSkreech> don_jr__: ping
[09:30] <tuco> Managed to install my logitech webcam oh yeah (help found here: http://scottabbey.org/node/12 good luck.
[09:35] <SSJ_GZ> reldruh: The call
[09:35] <SSJ_GZ> reldruh: dcop kmail KMailIface openComposer "" "" "" "" "" 0 false
[09:36] <SSJ_GZ> reldruh: will open up a new window.  Just add it to the global shortcuts thingy.
[09:36] <reldruh> SSJ_GZ: trying it now. Thank you
[09:36] <SSJ_GZ> reldruh: You can see the syntax of the call by exploring in kdcop
[09:37] <reldruh> SSJ_GZ: I've tried, but kdcop always freezes right after I open it :-(
[09:37] <SSJ_GZ> reldruh: There's usually a pause when kdcop opens.  How long do you leave it for?
[09:37] <reldruh> SSJ_GZ: 5 minutes or thereabouts
[09:37] <SSJ_GZ> reldruh: Ah :)
[09:38] <SSJ_GZ> reldruh: Yeah, that's not good :)
[09:38] <reldruh> SSJ_GZ: I'm in system settings > Keyboard Shortcuts but I don't see a place to add new shortcuts
[09:39] <SSJ_GZ> reldruh: "Input Actions"
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Anyone uses chatzilla?
[09:40] <Dark_Sun> DaSkreech: :E
[09:40] <Dark_Sun> some problems?
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Dark_Sun: How do you do a whois ?
[09:41] <Dark_Sun> ?
[09:41] <Dark_Sun> eh?
[09:41] <Dark_Sun> what?
[09:41] <Dark_Sun> :D
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Ha ha never mind then :)
[09:41] <Dark_Sun> DaSkreech: /whois $$1 :E
[09:41] <Dark_Sun> no? :E
[09:42] <Dark_Sun> DaSkreech: i don't understand O_o
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Dark_Sun: Right click on someone in the user list and under user commands look for whois
[09:43] <DaSkreech> It gives you more info on the person
[09:44] <Dark_Sun> DaSkreech: T_T i know
[09:44] <Dark_Sun> ._.
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Dark_Sun: I wanted to know how to do that without being in the same channel
[09:45] <_S0cKeT-> mon amour
[09:45] <_S0cKeT-> oops.. sorry
[09:45] <Dark_Sun> DaSkreech: /whois nick
[09:45] <Dark_Sun> :D
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Dark_Sun: Yeah I just found out iit returns nothing if the person isn't on which is confusing
[09:46] <DaSkreech>  it feels like the command failed
[09:46] <DaSkreech> very un Unix
[09:46] <Dark_Sun> unix?
[09:46] <Dark_Sun> nick = unix? :E
[09:46] <Dark_Sun> unix is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* unixtriad.com rocks
[09:46] <Dark_Sun> unix using irc.freenode.net http://freenode.net/
[09:46] <Dark_Sun> unix End of /WHOIS list.
[09:46] <Dark_Sun> :E
[09:46] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[09:47] <Dark_Sun> XD
[09:47] <Dark_Sun> X
[09:47] <Dark_Sun> XD
[09:49] <makuseru> where can i get a system moniter that isnt in superkaramba?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> makuseru: one is built into Kicker I think
[09:51] <makuseru> i looked
[09:51] <makuseru> couldnt find it
[09:51] <makuseru> it is in Xubuntu
[09:51] <makuseru> not Kubuntu tho
[09:53] <DaSkreech> Where did you look?
[09:54] <gnomefreak> kde system monitor is installed by default no?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> nvm thats log
[09:57] <PhinnFort> i'm on feisty, and adept asks if I want to upgrade to a new distribution
[09:57] <PhinnFort> wtf?
[09:59] <manu_> i have some bugs in snapshots of xawtv, big errors in the created snapshot :/ but in the xawtv window all is fine someone can help?
[10:00] <makuseru> DaSkreech: right clicked, clicked add applet to pannel
[10:00] <DaSkreech> PhinnFort: It means do you want to update to the new updates
[10:00] <PhinnFort> DaSkreech: no, after installing updates, Adept said a new distribution was available
[10:00] <DaSkreech> makuseru: and you don't see A Ksysguard applet?
[10:01] <DaSkreech> !info globulation2 feisty
[10:01] <ubotu> Package globulation2 does not exist in feisty
[10:01] <PhinnFort> !info globulation
[10:01] <DaSkreech> !find glob2
[10:01] <ubotu> Package globulation does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:01] <ubotu> Found: glob2
[10:01] <DaSkreech> !info glob2
[10:01] <ubotu> glob2: innovative state-of-the-art Real Time Strategy (RTS) game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.21-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9531 kB, installed size 27192 kB
[10:02] <DaSkreech> !info glob2 feisty
[10:02] <ubotu> glob2: innovative state-of-the-art Real Time Strategy (RTS) game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.21-4build1 (feisty), package size 879 kB, installed size 2264 kB
[10:02] <DaSkreech> damn :-(
[10:02] <DaSkreech> There's a new version out
[10:02] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:02] <PhinnFort> globulation is cool
[10:02] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[10:02] <PhinnFort> howdyhowdy
[10:03] <BluesKaj> what's the cool word today ?
[10:03] <PhinnFort> w00t
[10:03] <DaSkreech> Smakking
[10:03] <cntb> \o
[10:04] <cntb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows a very good article
[10:04] <PhinnFort> cntb: i don't use windows
[10:05] <BluesKaj> I still use so I can help my daughter who is totallly new to computers after being denied access for 9yrs of married life ..finally divorced the control freak husband and trying to catch up
[10:06] <BluesKaj> windows
[10:06] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: teach her linux;)
[10:06] <DaSkreech> gotta walk pretty slow to catch up with windows
[10:07] <PhinnFort> I hear it's much easier to learn for computer "illiterates" than Windows
[10:07] <chijin> BluesKaj: wow i feel sorry for her :-/
[10:08] <geggam> kturtle.... teaching the 6 and 8 year old how to code...
[10:09] <PhinnFort> how can I use socks?
[10:09] <PhinnFort> !socks
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about socks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <DaSkreech> PhinnFort: one gnome foot at a time?
[10:09] <PhinnFort> as in the socks proxy?
[10:09] <PhinnFort> :P
[10:10] <u0731910> ole
[10:11] <BluesKaj> well, she'll figure it out...right now she's trying to unfreeze the cursor
[10:11] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: On Windows?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> yup
[10:12] <DaSkreech> Alt+ctrl=delete?
[10:12] <DaSkreech> +
[10:17] <PhinnFort> !proxy
[10:17] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[10:17] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[10:19] <PhinnFort> that link is dead
[10:19] <makuseru> can someone explain to me why having amaroks music collection window open fullscreen rather than minimized would make a 30% difference on my cpu load ( http://i12.tinypic.com/2wcp2s2.jpg picture of system analyzer")
[10:19] <arek> !proxy
[10:19] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[10:19] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[10:20] <DaSkreech> makuseru: ask in #amarok ?
[10:20] <PhinnFort> makuseru: because of the music analyes
[10:20] <PhinnFort> *ser
[10:20] <PhinnFort> zer
[10:20] <PhinnFort> makuseru: try clicking on it 'till it disappears
[10:20] <PhinnFort> makuseru: esp. if you use Beryl (or siblings)
[10:21] <makuseru> beryl isnt open
[10:21] <PhinnFort> makuseru: tried clicking away the analyzer?
[10:22] <makuseru> yes
[10:22] <PhinnFort> and?
[10:22] <arek> I have blocked http port on router, the most others are open. Have you any idea how can I connect to www? (proxy, tunelling etc.)
[10:23] <PhinnFort> !tunneling
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tunneling - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <PhinnFort> !tor | arek
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <PhinnFort> arek: install tor
[10:23] <PhinnFort> arek: overkill, but it should work;)
[10:24] <arek> ubotu: unfortunately I can't use www for searching as I said.
[10:24] <PhinnFort> arek: he is a bot
[10:24] <PhinnFort> arek: install TOR
[10:24] <arek> !tor
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:24] <arek> !tunneling
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tunneling - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:25] <PhinnFort> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR
[10:25] <PhinnFort> arek: are you able to read it?
[10:25] <arek> not
[10:26] <arek> is tor on the standard kubuntu cd?
[10:26] <PhinnFort> arek: i will send it to you as a WAR archive
[10:26] <PhinnFort> arek: i'm not sure
[10:26] <PhinnFort> arek: try opening it, though
[10:26] <arek> great
[10:26] <PhinnFort> arek: it's HTTPS
[10:26] <PhinnFort> it uses port 443, afaik
[10:26] <PhinnFort> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR
[10:26] <arek> https works fine
[10:27] <PhinnFort> well, then, I don't have to send you that file;)
[10:27] <DaSkreech> !info balazar
[10:27] <ubotu> balazar: 3D adventure and roleplaying game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.3.ds1-1 (edgy), package size 12494 kB, installed size 28796 kB
[10:27] <PhinnFort> DaSkreech: it's great, made in python
[10:27] <PhinnFort> just crashes here, though
[10:27] <DaSkreech> PhinnFort: played it>
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Yeah I hear that a lot
[10:28] <DaSkreech> PhinnFort: What's up with Ubuntugames?
[10:28] <PhinnFort> DaSkreech: have no idea;)
[10:28] <PhinnFort> !feisty
[10:28] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[10:28] <HaSH> can anyone help me force xorg to use 60 hrz refresh rate?...i know it can be done but i forget how and i cant find it on google. but you had to add llike _60 to a line in the xorg.conf
[10:29] <PhinnFort> !xorg.conf
[10:29] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:29] <DaSkreech> PhinnFort: It's an official Canonical site but it's all in Portuguese
[10:30] <PhinnFort> wtf
[10:30] <PhinnFort> sounds wrong:S
[10:30] <HaSH> hmm that link didnt have what i was looking for
[10:30] <DaSkreech> tell me about it
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Check it out in Launchpad
[10:31] <fantasy> gibts den chatraum in deutsch ?
[10:31] <DaSkreech> !de
[10:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:32] <jarn> I know I can set KDM to automatically log in but is there a way to set it to automatically log in and then lock the session? That way I wouldn't have to wait for programs to load because they could do it while still keeping the security of needing to login.
[10:33] <PhinnFort> jarn: look harder
[10:33] <HaSH> what i was looking for was Modes      "1280x1024_60" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[10:33] <PhinnFort> jarn: I have it exactly like that
[10:33] <HaSH> notice the _60
[10:33] <HaSH> :-)
[10:33] <PhinnFort> HaSH: ah, ok;)
[10:33] <PhinnFort> HaSH: add it to the wiki page, if you feel like it;)
[10:33] <jarn> PhinnFort: How?
[10:33] <PhinnFort> jarn: in the KDM settings
[10:34] <PhinnFort> ninHer: good to know
[10:34] <HaSH> PhinnFort, hmm ive never edited a wiki b4.
[10:34] <PhinnFort> !away
[10:34] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[10:34] <HaSH> well i need to restart x
[10:34] <HaSH> brb'
[10:34] <PhinnFort> gl
[10:34] <ninHer> ok
[10:35] <jarn> PhinnFort: Oh, is it just "Enable Auto-login" then the "Lock session" checkbox?
[10:35] <PhinnFort> jarn: System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager -> Convenience -> Enable Auto login & Lock session
[10:35] <PhinnFort> yes
[10:35] <PhinnFort> :D
[10:36] <vadim_> i have an ntfs partition which is mounted to my fs, i want to restrict access to it for all users except me, but in the same time there must be created few links to some folders from this partition which could be accessed by all users. is this possible to do?
[10:37] <arek> PhinnFort: Do you know any ftp server with tor's .deb package? I cant install it by apt-get becouse the path is http also
[10:37] <PhinnFort> vadim_: i believe so
[10:37] <jarn> PhinnFort: Thanks. :D
[10:37] <jarn> How do I make commands run on startup?
[10:37] <PhinnFort> jarn: put .desktop-links to them in the ~/.kde/Autostart folder
[10:37] <PhinnFort> jarn: drag them out from the KDE menu
[10:37] <PhinnFort> the links, that is
[10:38] <PhinnFort> (just copy and paste the path to the folder)
[10:38] <jarn> PhinnFort: What if it's a terminal command and not a desktop link?
[10:38] <frojnd> what's wrong with amarok, when I put the name of the song in the search panel it foinds nothing...
[10:38] <PhinnFort> jarn: make it into a .bash script
[10:38] <PhinnFort> and make it executable (right-click, properties)
[10:39] <PhinnFort> jarn: basically put it in a file, which has #!/bin/bash on the first line, and ends in .sh
[10:39] <jarn> PhinnFort: So it just runs any executable in there?
[10:39] <PhinnFort> jarn: I believe so
[10:39] <frojnd> what's wrong with amarok, when I put the name of the song in the search panel it foinds nothing...  | it only search in current folder and not deeper. Any ideas how to force amarok to search depper?
[10:39] <frojnd> in the sub folders?
[10:39] <jarn> PhinnFort: Cool, thanks. :d
[10:39] <PhinnFort> jarn: but you might want to try, you might have to create a .desktop link to it
[10:39] <PhinnFort> jarn: but that's rather easy
[10:39] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:40] <Gopherx> hi all
[10:41] <Gopherx> can anyone help me (noob) configure my network interface? get "host unreachable" error?
[10:41] <Gopherx> please :-)
[10:42] <geggam> !games
[10:42] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[10:43] <eilker> i have system clock problem
[10:43] <eilker> any experience for it ?
[10:43] <moparisthebest> has anyone upgraded from 6.10 to 7.04 beta?
[10:44] <HaSH> how can i make tab auto compleate work with sudo ....in dapper i could do "sudo apt-ge<tab>" and it would make it sudo apt-get ...
[10:44] <Lam_> someone want to send me /usr/share/applications/kde/keys.desktop, displayconfig.desktop, keyboard.desktop ?
[10:44] <HaSH> this seems to have stopped working in edgy
[10:44] <chijin> moparisthebest: many many people
[10:44] <Lam_> i accidentally deleted mine
[10:45] <moparisthebest> chijin, I was just wondering how well the update tool worked and 7.04 itself?
[10:45] <moparisthebest> I don't mind working around a few things, I just don't want to hose my system
[10:45] <chijin> moparisthebest: i upgraded in terminal with aptitude, 7.04 seems to work just fine
[10:47] <moparisthebest> chijin, how do you upgrade in the terminal? all I see is a GUI upgrade tool
[10:48] <geggam> sudo apt-get update
[10:48] <geggam> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:48] <geggam> or
[10:48] <geggam> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:48] <chijin> change the repos from edgy to feisty, run aptitude update and then aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:49] <moparisthebest> dist-upgrade, ok thanks
[10:52] <PhinnFort> !info dolphin
[10:52] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 238 kB, installed size 932 kB
[10:53] <eilker> now i have "su is unsuccesfull" warning err...
[10:54] <HaSH> how can i make tab auto compleate work with sudo ....in dapper i could do "sudo apt-ge<tab>" and it would make it "sudo apt-get" ... this doesnt seem to work anymore and it makes it a pain in the butt to do stuff using sudo...which is what *ubuntu uses
[10:54] <jarn> What programs are available that tell computer info? Processor, slots, etc.?
[10:54] <HaSH> jarle, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:55] <HaSH> jarle, free -m
[10:55] <HaSH> * jarn
[10:55] <eilker> jarn: type  /sysinfo here
[10:55] <jarn> Sysinfo for 'legion': Linux 2.6.17-11-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ at 2009 MHz (4024 bogomips), HD: 97/206GB, RAM: 950/1011MB, 132 proc's, 25.40min up
[10:56] <jarn> But I would like more detailed things than just that. Motherboard information, that sort of thing.
[10:57] <DaSkreech> can anyone get t lxer.com >
[10:57] <DaSkreech> ?
[11:00] <eilker> i try to open adept it gives me an error such as "su calling is unsuccesfull"
[11:00] <eilker> any idea for it ?
[11:01] <jthomas> hello!  can any one help my install pcAnywhere 12.1 beta?
[11:01] <jthomas> hello!  can any one help me to install pcAnywhere 12.1 beta?  It cannot find my JVM but I have Java5 and Java6 both installed
[11:01] <eilker> All kde-su commands do fail
[11:02] <eilker> jthomas: does it has a version for linux too ?
[11:02] <eilker> *have
[11:02] <jthomas> yes there is a 'crossplatform' for Linux and Mac; it says only RHEL and SuSE or the free versions of those two
[11:02] <jthomas> but its just a Java thing I think
[11:03] <ubuntu> !
[11:03] <HaSH> !restricted
[11:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:04] <HaSH> anyone here know how to change my default browser to firefox. so when i click a link in here...it opens firefox?
[11:04] <jarn> HaSH: In kcontrol
[11:04] <neil__> are you in konqueror?
[11:04] <neil__> its in the settings
[11:04] <neil__> you have to explicitely define firefox
[11:04] <vadim_> ubuntu:  ?
[11:05] <neil__> konversation, sorry..
[11:05] <HaSH> jarn, ok thanks ill check it out
[11:05] <eilker> <jthomas: do u have a web link for it, i wanna read it, if there is an explanation for it
[11:05] <jarn> HaSH: It's in KDE Components -> Default Applications -> Web Browser
[11:06] <ubuntu> vadim_
[11:06] <jthomas> eilker http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/overview.jsp?pcid=pf&pvid=pca12
[11:06] <neil__> jarn: I had to specify konversation seperately
[11:06] <HaSH> ahh killer thanks again jarn
[11:06] <DaSkreech> !ru
[11:06] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:06] <jthomas> eilker you have to give some info to get the Beta
[11:06] <jarn> neil__: Hrm... I don't think I did.
[11:06] <ubuntu> DaSkreech  !
[11:06] <mrdlouisd> what is the best terminal software to rdp to a win32 server?
[11:06] <jarn> HaSH: You might have to specify it specifically in konqueror. I don't think I did, but neil__ says he had to. And I could just be remembering wrong.
[11:07] <jose___> hi everyone
[11:07] <DaSkreech> ubuntu. Russian isn't that good
[11:07] <neil__> Or I could be wrong :D Either way, doing both will sort you out HaSH :)
[11:07] <HaSH> hmm xchat is still opening konqueror
[11:07] <DaSkreech> !ru | ubuntulog
[11:07] <ubotu> ubuntulog:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:08] <jose___> i'm new to using linux and it's my first experience in ubuntu
[11:08] <jarn> HaSH: XChat may need to have it set in the options.
[11:08] <jthomas> eilker i untarred it and made the Linux.bin script executable; I tied running it as user and as root in both my /home and in /usr/local and /user/bin and none of them worked; it does a little "Looking for JVM" dance then fails, but I have both JRE5 and JRE6 installed
[11:08] <jose___> i can't reach my other disks
[11:08] <jarn> HaSH: Did you try Konversation?
[11:08] <jose___> what should i do
[11:08] <vadim_> ubuntu:        ...
[11:09] <HaSH> jarn, im a die hard xchat user :-)
[11:09] <jose___> i guess i need to do mount command
[11:09] <jose___> but i don't know to how?
[11:09] <{Black_Devil}> hi guys
[11:09] <jose___> can you help me?
[11:09] <DaSkreech> vadim_: you speak russian?
[11:10] <vadim_> DaSkreech: yes
[11:10] <DaSkreech> vadim_: Whats s/he saying?
[11:10] <jarn> HaSH: Ah. I used XChat for awhile, but I wasn't too fond of it.
[11:10] <jarn> HaSH: Is it still updated?
[11:11] <vadim_> DaSkreech: do you have administrative rights here?
[11:11] <eilker> jthomas: i have no idea for it sorry
[11:11] <eilker> how to close vim in console ?
[11:11] <DaSkreech> no but if needed I can get someone
[11:11] <{Black_Devil}> im a newbie to the linux world and i wan't to learn more and more about this o.s, ahh,, im'italian, is there any italian here?
[11:12] <DaSkreech> !it | {black_devil}
[11:12] <ubotu> {black_devil}: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:12] <mrdlouisd> what is the best terminal software to rdp to a win32 server?
[11:12] <{Black_Devil}> i want to speack english, isn't a problema
[11:12] <DaSkreech> vadim_: Why?
[11:13] <jarn> HaSH: Hrm, xchat opens it in Firefox for me.
[11:13] <aseigo> mrdlouisd: krdc
[11:13] <vadim_> DaSkreech: if he won't repeat it himself in english in next few minutes i think he must be banned for unrespect...
[11:13] <asoldier> Help, how do I use WINE, I installed the package from the repository, how do I use it?
[11:13] <jarn> HaSH: And I know I didn't put any settings because I just installed it. :P
[11:13] <aseigo> mrdlouisd: and just put in rdp://remotehostaddress
[11:13] <jarn> asoldier: wine <program name>
[11:13] <HaSH> hmm
[11:13] <LeeJunFan> !info rdesktop
[11:13] <ubotu> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-1.1 (edgy), package size 98 kB, installed size 388 kB
[11:13] <jthomas> eilker thanks!  to close vim, hit [esc]  [:]  [q]  to quit; [wq]  to write and quit
[11:13] <DaSkreech> vadim_: Get him to join the right chan
[11:13] <jthomas> eilker [esc key]  [:wq]
[11:14] <DaSkreech> vadim_: Might just be confused
[11:14] <runix> how do I disable the pc-speaker on my laptop without doing a recompile of the kernel? (luckily it's easy to remove in kde, but when i'm running console mode)
[11:14] <DaSkreech> hi aseigo
[11:14] <LeeJunFan> mrdlouisd: krdc needs rdesktop to do remote desktop to windows, but I don't think it's a dependancy that will automatically be installed.
[11:14] <qsu> LeeJunFan: can i use rdesktop allso with windows 2003 server
[11:14] <mrdlouisd> thank you
[11:14] <aseigo> DaSkreech: yo
[11:14] <LeeJunFan> qsu: yes
[11:14] <vadim_> DaSkreech: he left already... i don't see his nick anymore
[11:14] <qsu> cool,
[11:14] <eilker> jthomas: yeah it is :q thanx :)
[11:15] <DaSkreech> aseigo: How goes kde4 logout screen?
[11:15] <francisco> hi guys i need your help....i need a sniffer for bluetooth but the software must have spectral analisys
[11:15] <qsu> and does it works as good as the windows rd client
[11:15] <{Black_Devil}> i've got a problem!! katapult dont't start, and i don't know why?
[11:15] <aseigo> DaSkreech: hopefully better soon
[11:15] <DaSkreech> aseigo: ok :-0
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> francisco: good luck, there isn't even any sprectral for 802.11
[11:15] <MarcoPau> my mouse often freezes, and I can only disconnect and reconnect it to the usb port in order to wake it up
[11:15] <neil__> !realplayer
[11:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> francisco: save your pennies (lots of them) and get a real SA, works better than any software one anyway.
[11:16] <MarcoPau> from the latest upgrade, anyway, it seems it won't even wake up after a few reconnections
[11:16] <asoldier> jarn : I need a bit more help. When I do ( wine <program name>) it searches the system32 directory
[11:16] <MarcoPau> what can it be?
[11:16] <francisco> no the for bluetooth 802.15
[11:16] <jthomas> eilker i got it, if you wanna know... i just ran the included Jar with the command <java -jar SetupLinuxMac.jar -console>
[11:17] <LeeJunFan> francisco: yeah, I know. I'm saying it's very unlikely you'll find anything. :(
[11:17] <francisco> :(
[11:17] <eilker> jthomas: now it works right ?
[11:17] <jarn> asoldier: You have to do it in the directory the program is in. Or supply the path to it.
[11:17] <jthomas> eilker actually... nope, after the install at 100% it still says "JVM not found"
[11:18] <jarn> asoldier: Say for example I had Gw.exe in ~/games/Wine/Program\ Files/Guild\ Wars/
[11:18] <jarn> asoldier: I would need to either cd to that directory or type 'wine ~/games/Wine/Program\ Files/Guild\ Wars/Gw.exe'
[11:18] <eilker> jthomas: let me install it ? and we try to connect to our computers ? what do u say ?
[11:19] <jthomas> lol sure
[11:20] <francisco> so...
[11:20] <jthomas> i tried linking /etc/jvm to /usr/bin but it still didn't work
[11:20] <smoalne> hello
[11:21] <eilker> jthomas: now registering  :)
[11:23] <asoldier> jarn
[11:23] <asoldier> darnit
[11:23] <asoldier> jarn : the program I'm trying to run is not in the same directory as my ubuntu installation. I am a newbie I'm sorry.
[11:23] <jarn> asoldier: ?
[11:23] <asoldier> ^^
[11:23] <jarn> asoldier: Where is the program you are trying to run?
[11:23] <DaSkreech> Bye bye
[11:24] <smoalne> i'm looking for a good irc chat server - any suggestions?
[11:24] <asoldier> C:/program files/voodoo/
[11:24] <asoldier> jarn^
[11:25] <asoldier> sorry I'm not registered on the server so /msg doesn't work for me atmo.
[11:25] <HaSH> can anyone help me out with the tab auto compleate not working. i cant find any info on google and no one seems to anser me on here about it it works if i dont use sudo like i can type "systems<tab>" and have it auto compleate to systemsettings but if i put sudo in front of it ...auto compleate doesnt work.
[11:25] <jarn> asoldier: Are you truing to run it off a Windows partition?
[11:25] <asoldier> jarn : yes
[11:25] <eilker> btw i have problem with clock settings, how to solve it ? i wanna make it default
[11:26] <jarn> asoldier: Well, I wouldn't recommend that... but if you really want to you would need to mount your windows partition and then provide the full path.
[11:27] <Yorokobi> HaSH, the tab auto complete only works for files/binaries in your $PATH variable. The $PATH variable for your regular user and sudo/root is different (though I doubt $PATH changes when bash sees sudo <something>)
[11:28] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: yeah, have you tried in #bash?
[11:28] <HaSH> Yorokobi, on dapper it worked great ...
[11:28] <HaSH> LeeJunFan, i dont think a coding channel will help with a os related prob
[11:28] <Yorokobi> HaSH, is your $PATH the same as it was in Dapper? Probably not.
[11:29] <HaSH> Yorokobi, nope. but last time i even used edgy it worked.
[11:29] <geggam> why cant u just do "set autolist"
[11:29] <arek> na maila?
[11:29] <geggam> or is that a cshell specific thing
[11:29] <mrubinstein> anyone have experience with ntfs-3g pm me
[11:30] <HaSH> Yorokobi, also it doesnt work even when the path is the same...ie pin<tab> auto completes but sudo pin<tab> doesnt
[11:30] <eilker> jthomas: what is OS sevice pack ?
[11:30] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: it's always worked for me from breezy on thru feisty, but the problem is pretty specific to bash, so I was thinking folks in #bash might know.
[11:30] <jthomas> eilker what do you mean?  i just downloaded a tarball, nothing about service pack
[11:30] <asoldier> jarn : full path being ( wine ~/winxp/program files/program ) ?
[11:30] <Yorokobi> HaSH, how about pin<tab><tab>? I have 3 possibilities for pinXXXX
[11:31] <eilker> jthomas: it asks about service pack
[11:31] <geggam> HaSH, type "set autolist" in the shell u are wanting to have autocomplete
[11:31] <HaSH> Yorokobi, i do too when just "pin<tab> <tab>" but "sudo pin<tab> <tab>" shows nothing
[11:32] <asoldier> jarn: how do I direct wine to another partition?
[11:32] <geggam> haha
[11:32] <jthomas> hm.. i don't know, service pack is for Windows usually
[11:32] <HaSH> geggam, it does it as normal user ....should i do sudo set autolist ?
[11:32] <jarn> asoldier: Have you mounted it?
[11:32] <asoldier> yes
[11:32] <geggam> sudo isnt part of the shell thus it wont have auto complete
[11:32] <eilker> jthomas: could you give the link for tarball ?
[11:32] <jarn> asoldier: Where did you mount it to?
[11:32] <geggam> sorry HaSH
[11:32] <asoldier> o.o
[11:32] <HaSH> geggam, what?.
[11:32] <geggam> sudo is a wrapper HaSH
[11:33] <asoldier> jarn : I do not understand the question. The drive is mounted and is viewable from my desktop
[11:33] <HaSH> geggam, ive used sudo pin<tab> and it auto complets.
[11:33] <jthomas> eilker http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/download.jsp?pcid=pf&pvid=pca121beta
[11:33] <jarn> asoldier: What folder do you access the drive from?
[11:33] <geggam> because your user shell has those permissions HaSH
[11:33] <asoldier> The Desktop
[11:33] <geggam> i am assuming here
[11:33] <asoldier> jarn: the desktop
[11:33] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: are you sure you have bash_completion enabled? try running this '. /etc/bash_completion' <- note the .
[11:33] <geggam> so if i am wrong do correct me
[11:33] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: then try sudo 'command'
[11:33] <jarn> asoldier: What is the folder called?
[11:34] <LeeJunFan> err sudo whatever<tab>
[11:34] <asoldier> Local-WinXP
[11:34] <asoldier> jarn : sorry I keep forgetting highlight
[11:34] <HaSH> LeeJunFan, WOOOHOO thanks :-) that fixed it...where did ya find this helpfull info?
[11:34] <asoldier> jarn : Local-WinXP
[11:34] <jarn> asoldier: So, in the termina, can you cd to '~/Desktop/Local-WinXP/'?
[11:34] <jarn> asoldier: It's not that big of a deal.
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: just knew it. Didn't dawn on me that your bash_completion was actually off right away.
[11:35] <geggam> heh
[11:35] <HaSH> LeeJunFan, well again thanks...it was driving me *nuts*
[11:35] <Yorokobi> Missing bash_completion is a bit unusual
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: edit ~/.bashrc and uncomment the lines to do with bash_completion.
[11:35] <eilker> jthomas: lets see, if it works here...
[11:35] <HaSH> LeeJunFan, will do
[11:36] <asoldier> jarn : the format is ( cd ~/desktop/Local-WinXP ) correct?
[11:36] <eilker> jthomas: they had no linux support as i know, this is so new , right ?
[11:36] <jarn> asoldier: If it is indeed mounted to the folder you told me.
[11:36] <jthomas> eilker i think so
[11:36] <jthomas> eilker but i cannot get it no matter what
[11:36] <jthomas> eilker I GOT IT
[11:37] <jthomas> eilker run [sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun /usr/]
[11:37] <jthomas> before running the installer
[11:37] <eilker> ok
[11:37] <asoldier> jarn : I believe it is actually mounted in Media
[11:37] <jarn> asoldier: Okay, which folder in /media ?
[11:38] <eilker> jthomas: i have new version for it as "java-6-sun"
[11:38] <jthomas> eilker:  libXm.so.3 is missing now...
[11:38] <geggam> LeeJunFan,  i can tell u use bash more than c shells like tcsh
[11:38] <jthomas> i tried that also but this was the first that i got to install...
[11:39] <jthomas> now this, though
[11:39] <asoldier> jarn : media/local-winxp/
[11:39] <LeeJunFan> geggam: yeah, I don't really use anything else. I'm pretty good with bash scripting, so familiarity keeps me close to bash.
[11:39] <eilker> jthomas: i have this j2se/1.4/jre/lib/i386/libXm.so.3
[11:40] <jthomas> where is that?
[11:40] <jthomas> are you able to run pcAnywhere?
[11:40] <asoldier> jarn : the ubuntu navigation system is kicking my arse
[11:40] <eilker> jthomas: usr/lib
[11:40] <eilker> jthomas: still downloading
[11:40] <jarn> asoldier: Okay. So then it's probably in /media/local-winxp/"Program Files"/Vodoo/ so you should be able to do 'wine /media/local-winxp/"Program Files"/Vodoo/<program name>'
[11:41] <jarn> asoldier: Assuming that's the way that it is capitalized.
[11:41] <geggam> i didnt realize bash had a separate feature for autocomplete LeeJunFan
[11:41] <geggam> heh
[11:41] <LeeJunFan> geggam: yeah, it's a more souped up autocomplete, it has basic autocomplete built in, but bash_completion adds a lot more functionality.
[11:42] <jthomas> i don't have that in my /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/lib/i386
[11:42] <jarn> asoldier: Or you can cd in to the directory that it is in and just do 'wine <program name>'
[11:42] <LeeJunFan> geggam: like with bash_completion I can type ssh root@morn<tab> and it'll parse my known_hosts file and fill in the rest of the host, it also works for ping, mtr, and a lot of other things. So it completes a lot more than just filenames.
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> geggam: it also autocompletes apt, dpkg, etc.. apt-get install linux-<tab><tab> will give me a list of all packages starting with linux-
[11:43] <geggam> i use aliases for that LeeJunFan
[11:45] <geggam> ok... i have to go again... contract is looking 99% signed.... cross fingers... this one will keep me busy manufacturing plant database migration to ubuntu ... hopefully we can get some workstations moved to it as well
[11:45] <geggam> 6 months of work
[11:45] <geggam> 70k
[11:45] <LeeJunFan> geggam: wtg:) good luck.
[11:46] <LeeJunFan> geggam: I may have a big one at some libraries who want the same setup I've done for my local library.
[11:46] <LeeJunFan> Detroit public I understand is interested.
[11:46] <asoldier> jarn : I finally figured out how to navigate and launch the program and it turns out it won't run due to an ole error
[11:46] <geggam> we will infiltrate them all
[11:46] <geggam> later
[11:46] <neil__> !realplayer
[11:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:46] <LeeJunFan> later
[11:47] <jarn> asoldier: What program is it?
[11:47] <asoldier> http://voodoochat.com
[11:48] <jarn> asoldier: You could try installing it in Wine.
[11:49] <jarn> asoldier: Hrm... you may want to take a look at this: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5657
[11:50] <LordOfHeat> hello
[11:50] <LordOfHeat> what to use for DVB-S viewing on kubuntu
[11:50] <LordOfHeat> other than kaffeine
[12:01] <Lam_> anyone using kde? i need /usr/share/applications/kde/keys.desktop, keyboard.desktop, displayconfig.desktop, mouse.desktop   i accidentally deleted mine
[12:02] <eilker> jthomas: how to install it ? ./linux bin ?
[12:03] <jthomas> eilker you can try that; i was more successful with java -jar Setup....jar -console
[12:03] <SSJ_GZ> Lam_: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol
[12:03] <jthomas> eilker i forgot the whole name
[12:03] <SSJ_GZ> Lam_: That should restore at least some of them.
[12:03] <jthomas> eilker SetupLinuxMac.jar maybe
[12:03] <Lam_> SSJ_GZ: ah great. thanks so much
[12:03] <SSJ_GZ> Lam_: np - let me know if it works :)
[12:04] <jthomas> eilker i still haven't got it and i have to stop for now but i'll be here to see if you get it working
[12:05] <crazy_penguin> 'night to all!
[12:05] <eilker> jthomas: what should i type in conslole ? SetupLinuxMac.jar
[12:05] <eilker> ?
[12:06] <eilker> java - jar SetupLinuxMac.jar
[12:06] <eilker> ?
[12:06] <eilker> Unrecognized option: -
[12:06] <eilker> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[12:07] <jthomas> eilker type: java -jar SetupLinuxMac.jar -console
[12:07] <jthomas> the - has to touch the jar: -jar
[12:08] <Lam_> SSJ_GZ: thanks. it worked for the most part. i'm still missing a displayconfig.desktop though
[12:08] <eilker> many errors
[12:08] <Lam_> SSJ_GZ: that one might be part of a different package
[12:08] <eilker> let me try as root
[12:08] <jthomas> eilker i know
[12:09] <jthomas> eilker sure try....
[12:09] <SSJ_GZ> Lam_: kde-guidance
[12:09] <SSJ_GZ> Lam_: and/ or app-install-data
[12:09] <Lam_> SSJ_GZ: i'll give that a shot
[12:09] <eilker> jthomas: what is for linux.bin ?
[12:09] <eilker> e
[12:09] <eilker> we should use it too
[12:10] <jthomas> eilker it is a script for JVM checking and some other stuff, not sure but maybe it'll work for you
[12:10] <Lam_> SSJ_GZ: yep that worked. :) you're pretty good.  thanks a bunch :)
[12:10] <SSJ_GZ> Lam_: No problem :)
[12:11] <jthomas> eilker i always get 'No Java Runtime Environment(JRE) was found on this system.'
[12:11] <eilker> jthomas: it is cause of that script
[12:11] <eilker> jthomas: it has only till jre 1.4.1
[12:12] <jthomas> eilker its wrong but it won't install on my system with ./Linux.bin; if i run it how I told you, I can install, but still not run the actual program
[12:12] <eilker> jthomas: it does not have 1.4.2
[12:12] <[Ag0ny] > does anybody have some spare time to help me get my usb and 2nd display working?