[00:47] <era> yo. when is the jaegertrace merger planned for the 4.0 builds?
[00:55] <micahg> era: sept 1 , but I haven't checked this weeks meeting notes yet
[01:04] <era> micahg, will the arewefastyet score skyrocket?
[01:05] <micahg> era: idk what that is
[01:05] <era> http://arewefastyet.com/
[01:05]  * micahg is still using 3.6 until the beta PPA is ready
[01:06] <micahg> era: idk
[01:41] <Dimmuxx> hmm about the 32bit oopp flash in 64bit https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559142
[01:41] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 559142 in Plug-ins "64-bit Firefox for Mac OS X can't use 32-bit plugins" [Normal,New]
[01:49] <micahg> Dimmuxx: chrisccoulson said he'd work on that
[01:49] <Dimmuxx> yeah I was here :)
[01:50] <Dimmuxx> I just happend to find that ticket when I was looking for something else
[01:50] <micahg> Dimmuxx: beta PPA will have to wait until chrisccoulson fixes up FF4 build
[01:51] <Dimmuxx> yes he said something about some bug
[01:51] <micahg> Dimmuxx: well, there's the omnijar issue
[01:52] <Dimmuxx> ah that's the one he mentioned
[01:54] <Dimmuxx> it seems to be worth waiting for
[02:16] <era> don't we already have a 4.0 ppa?
[02:16] <era> <__<
[02:17] <era> the daily is good enough
[02:17] <micahg> era: no, first was all in one build which chrisccoulson fixed, now omnijar which he's working on
[02:18] <era> omnijar?
[02:18] <micahg> era: some people like stability in their browser so the milestone betas are more appropriate <-- I'm in this group
[02:18] <micahg> era: all the branding and .js files are in one super .jar to speed up load time
[02:18] <era> whoa, like an xpi?
[02:19] <micahg> idk, xpi is like a zip file
[06:48] <micahg> asac: ping
[07:45] <asac> micahg: ?
[07:45] <micahg> asac: hi
[07:46] <micahg> asac: Can I drop the TB2 migration stuff from tb.head now?
[07:46] <micahg> since there's no migration path from TB2 to maverick
[07:47] <micahg> the only thing would be the PPA, but there, the .mozilla-thunderbird folder will just be ignored as it probably should be
[07:55] <asac> micahg: i would apply the same backporting reasoning i had yesterday. dont drop it from head if head might get backported to a distro that has a tb2 migration path at some point
[07:56] <micahg> asac: well, we will be pushing 3.1 to Lucid I think probably later this year
[07:58] <micahg> asac: the thing is, that code is messy and hackish w/the symlink and whatnot
[08:00]  * asac on a call for 1h
[08:00]  * micahg thinks this should be picked up in the morning
[08:01] <asac> heh
[08:01] <asac> micahg: it must be too early for you
[08:01] <asac> go to bed ;)
[08:01] <micahg> asac: 2AM, but I said I'd upload tonight :(
[08:02] <micahg> asac: also enigmail is ready, but we have no branch for it in Ubuntu/maverick so I didn't do it in a vcs
[08:06] <micahg> asac: I'm going to sleep soon, please let chrisccoulson know what happened and I'll be back in about 6.5 hrs
[08:07] <asac> micahg: yeah. go to bed
[08:07] <asac> ;)
[08:07] <micahg> asac: thanks
[09:08] <fta> jdstrand, mdeslaur: fyi, http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010/08/stable-channel-update_19.html
[12:32] <gnomefreak> seems tb31 daily is not working at all
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, whats wrong with it?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it doesnt start
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> eeek
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> i'm not using the daily atm, as i'm running what will be uploaded to maverick instead
[12:35] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: micahg's PPA version works
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's what i'm using now
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> i'll have a look in a bit, but i'm busy trying to get ff4 builds working again
[12:36] <gnomefreak> i dont really feel like adding each email address to it atm, still a bit early
[12:36] <gnomefreak> thanks
[12:53] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010/08/stable-channel-update_19.html
[13:11] <Dimmuxx> chrisccoulson: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559142
[13:11] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 559142 in Plug-ins "64-bit Firefox for Mac OS X can't use 32-bit plugins" [Normal,New]
[14:54] <micahg> gnomefreak: The symlink patch is missing from the maverick build
[14:54] <micahg> I have it here locally
[14:54] <gnomefreak> micahg: the daily?
[14:54] <micahg> both daily and my PPA
[14:54]  * gnomefreak on Lucid and it isnt working
[14:55] <micahg> hmm
[14:55] <micahg> I updated the lucid build in my PPA with it
[14:55] <gnomefreak> your PPA in Lucid works i just dont feel like adding 10 accounts
[14:55] <micahg> gnomefreak: oh...but you added them to the daily?
[14:55] <micahg> gnomefreak: I forgot about the migrator which is why I didn't upload last night
[14:55] <gnomefreak> micahg: i had them added to daily
[14:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^
[14:56] <micahg> gnomefreak: the upload to maverick will be able to migrate that/the new thunderbird.head daily will also soon
[14:56] <gnomefreak> as long as i get to keep both profiles in tact
[14:57] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, thunderbird in daily will be 3.1 soon
[14:57] <micahg> but will offer to migrate the profile from tb-3.1
[14:57] <gnomefreak> yeah my profile is .thunderbird-3.1 where asa the PPa profile is .thunderbird
[15:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: around?
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, sorry was just grabbing a bit of late lunch
[15:06]  * gnomefreak dreams of lunch
[15:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, np, so did you read the irc log from around 17:00 UTC
[15:07] <micahg> oops
[15:07] <micahg> I meant 7:00 UTC
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> micahg - no, i've not read them
[15:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, well, he's the issue
[15:07] <micahg> I forgot about the migrator for the TB 3.1 update
[15:08] <micahg> I'm subsequently worked on it, but I'm not sure I chose the right path, so I didn't upload
[15:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I was thinking to drop the TB2 specific code in the shell wrapper
[15:08] <micahg> but asac suggested keeping it since we'll backport to Lucid
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> possibly, but  we don't have to backport all changes to lucid
[15:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, that's what I figured, we could not backport the shell wrapper changes or just the TB3.1 reference changes
[15:10] <micahg> I originally did it as one commit, but I can break it out still since I didn't push yet
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> i don't mind either way really. i probably would have just dropped it from maverick
[15:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: glad to know I was on the right path :)
[15:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, so should I break it out to 1 change for 3.0 to 3.1 and one change to drop 2.0 stuff?
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that seems sensible
[15:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, how much testing do I need before uploading this?  and should I still push today?
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'd upload today :)
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - did you say the maverick version was missing another change to the shell script?
[15:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the beta profile migrator, that's it
[15:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm also just changing to tb-3.0 beta pariticipation stuff to 3.1 since we dropped 3.0 6 months ago
[15:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: and the dailies not having an upgrade from 2.0 to 3.1 will be ok?  Should make both parallel installable now since it doesn't munge the old dir anymore
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that should be ok. we have the same issue with firefox since we cleaned the package
[15:26] <fta> ok, let's see if my adsl is more stable now..
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> (there's no upgrade path to the dailies from old releases)
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> hi fta
[15:27] <fta> hi
[15:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[15:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson: also, there's no current VCS for enigmail, am I ok with that as well
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that's ok
[15:32] <micahg> so far so good with the new migrator
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> cool
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> this firefox stuff is a PITA
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> even defaults/ is shipped in omni.jar, making it impossible to have system-wide preferences
[15:33] <fta> grrr
[15:34] <micahg> \o/ all three options work this time :)
[15:36] <micahg> k, I'm uploading then...
[15:43]  * micahg hopes there's no fiasco this time since the TB2 shell code is gone
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> excellent :)
[15:49] <micahg> I'll upload tb-locales and enigmail in an hour, have to run out, tb is uploading now
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - would you mind sponsoring nss and nspr to maverick?
[16:49] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ok. do you have signed source packages somewhere?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, not yet - they're just in bzr (lp:~mozillateam/nss/nss.head and lp:~mozillateam/nspr/nspr.head)
[16:51] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: feel free to upload to chinstrap and ping me, and I will sponsor them
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, cool, thanks. i'll do that in a minute
[17:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thunderbird-locales should be native i.e. 3.1.2ubuntu1, right since there's no upstream tarball?
[17:08] <chrisccoulson> micahg - was it native before?
[17:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, but I was told it should've been, just making sure before I upload
[17:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, it was just the versioning wasn't
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oh, i see. so we had native packaging before and a non-native number?
[17:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes
[17:09]  * micahg needs to clean up lintian and standards stuff, but can do later before Final Freeze
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that version number looks ok then
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i added a TODO file in lp:firefox with a list of things which don't work now ;)
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> so we don't forget....
[17:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok :)
[17:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I uploaded tb-locales and am about to upload enigmail
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> excellent \o/
[17:49]  * micahg hopes all the changes are in teh changelog
[17:50] <micahg> here it goes
[17:51]  * micahg has to hurry up and get ready for $WORK now :)(
[18:38] <gnomefreak> damn hes not here
[18:41] <gnomefreak> !info pidgin maverick
[18:42] <ubot2> gnomefreak: pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.6.6-1ubuntu4 (maverick), package size 563 kB, installed size 1792 kB
[18:42] <gnomefreak> we should really update that. so now more than 1 bug report
[18:59] <gnomefreak> ok done with Pidgin bugs for today i think
[19:04] <gnomefreak> micahg: you help with pidgin builds?
[19:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: I backported teh last version since the devs were running behind
[19:07] <gnomefreak> micahg: we are a bunch of releases out of date
[19:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: huh? maverick has 2.7.3
[19:08] <gnomefreak> latest upstream is 2.7.3
[19:08] <gnomefreak> !info pidgin maverick
[19:08] <ubot2> gnomefreak: pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.6.6-1ubuntu4 (maverick), package size 563 kB, installed size 1792 kB
[19:08] <gnomefreak> ^^^
[19:08] <gnomefreak> is there at least a PPA?
[19:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: try rmadison http://pastebin.com/W8ZeKb9G
[19:09] <gnomefreak> i dopnt have a maverick box at this time
[19:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: pidgin dev PPA is out of date
[19:09] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[19:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: ppa:micahg/ppa should have 2.7.3
[19:09] <gnomefreak> thanks ill look
[19:15] <gnomefreak> maybe it will fix my bug but some how i doubt it
[20:09] <fta> chrisccoulson, i want to do my own app menu, something like the app indicator (a menu, with some actions and a status icon), where should i start? any recommendation?
[20:11] <Dimmuxx> that's just a gtk menu more or less
[22:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: pyxpcom in Debian NEW thanks to glandium :)
[22:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, it's not going to work for us though ;)
[22:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: why not?
[22:15] <chrisccoulson> AFAICT it installs things in to components/
[22:15] <chrisccoulson> (which relies on a stable directory)
[22:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'll try to grab it over the weekend and see if we can tweak it, it would be nice if we could sync/tweak
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> we would need to redo it and build it like an extension most likely
[22:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are you willing to pull into maverick with its future unknown (FF40+)
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> else we'll be rebuilding it every time we do a firefox update ;)
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not too sure about maverick just yet
[22:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, that's the issue, pyxpcom offers more interfaces than extensions provide that's why people were screaming for it and probably why upstream gave up on it
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> i'll have a look at it in a bit
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm hoping to try and get ff4 builds working again tonight
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> i'm really tempted to start using make package. it would mean we get a en-US xpi language pack for free
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> which we seem to be manually creating in quite a complex way atm
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> (which no longer works)
[22:21] <micahg> oh, that's a plus too
[22:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you know how to pull packages from Debian NEW, glandium offered preview access to it
[22:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: http://people.debian.org/~glandium/pyxpcom_0.0~hg20100212-1.dsc
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you can use dget for that
[22:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I know :), he uploaded there special for us :)
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> oh, i thought you were asking me how to get it ;)
[22:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, I was asking if you knew how to pull from NEW :)
[23:03] <micahg> fta: the thunderbird umd upload will be broke tonight since I pushed 3.1
[23:03] <micahg> it needs a patch from the other branch to work, I'll fix sat night
[23:16] <fta> k
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> hi fta. were you trying to create an app using an app-indicator, or write a whole new indicator?
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ff4 built \o/
[23:29] <fta> chrisccoulson, write a new one, i guess
[23:29] <fta> i mean, i need a dedicated menu, like the sound one
[23:30] <fta> i need to listen to various events
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> fta - oh, i'm not too sure about that. i'm not sure if that's well documented or not
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> might be worth talking to tedg ;)
[23:31] <fta> i fetched lp:indicator-applet, seems to just be a wrapper to lots of .so
[23:32] <Dimmuxx> libindicate-doc might be interesting for you
[23:32] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the indicator-applet doesn't have much interesting in it. i would have a look at the individual indicators instead
[23:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ff4 loads faster :)
[23:33] <Dimmuxx> time to make the beta ppa then ;)
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, i'm resting now ;)
[23:34] <Dimmuxx> will it be called ubuntu-mozilla-beta btw?
[23:34] <fta> ch 5.0.375.127~r55887 is building the stable ppa, i'd appreciate some tests before i submit it to maverick and lucid-security
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> dear compiz, when i open an app in docky, i usually want it to appear focused :)
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> fta - when will the build finish?
[23:35] <fta> less than 1h
[23:36] <chrisccoulson> i'll probably still be awake then ;)
[23:36] <fta> but with lp, who knows for sure :P
[23:36] <chrisccoulson> heh
[23:38] <fta> grrr, i wanted to buy a kindle 3, but $129 of taxes for a $139 device, no way
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> ouch!
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> eek, the breakpad symbols for ff4.0 are 115MB ;/
[23:43] <fta> damn, it's available in the uk, but not in fr
[23:43] <fta> and uk won't ship to fr :(
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> micahg - what do you think about bug 520049?
[23:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 520049 in gecko-mediaplayer (Ubuntu) "general.useragent.override in firefox spontaneously switches to quicktime 7 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520049
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> i think it's pretty bad that a plugin changes the user agent string
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> and then crashes
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> so it never resets again


[11:47] <not_found> nuvolari, ... hey... sorry for getting mixed up about who is who :p
[12:10] <queery> since when do we have ops?
[12:10] <queery> anyone here from JHB?
[12:11] <queery> Im oraganising a Ubuntu hour for lunch next week saturday
[12:12] <queery> Maaz: announce any JHB people in the channel?
[12:12] <Maaz> Announcement from queery! any JHB people in the channel
[12:12] <queery> Maaz: ty
[12:12] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[12:12] <queery> Maaz: botsnack
[12:12] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[12:13] <queery> oh well I'll organise it anyway
[12:35] <zeref> hurrr
[12:35]  * zeref is in joburg
[12:42] <queery> hehe
[12:42] <queery> awesome
[12:43] <queery> Why can't I change the topic!!
[12:44] <queery> inetpro: please add the ubuntu hour to the channel topic
[12:44] <queery> inetpro: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-za/1018/detail/
[12:53] <charlvn> hey queery
[12:53] <charlvn> the thing seems to be in stellenbosch, not johannesburg?
[12:53] <Kerbero> *was
[12:54] <charlvn> oh yeah i see now, it's last year, not even this year
[12:54] <charlvn> so why does it need to be added to the channel topic
[12:55] <Kerbero> he will edit that page i guess
[12:55] <charlvn> ah ok
[12:59] <Kerbero> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-za/1792/detail/
[13:00] <Kerbero> that seems more correct
[13:02] <charlvn> ah yes that is much more logical
[13:03] <charlvn> this is actually funny because many years ago i was sitting in that exact same restaurant (mugg & bean at rosebank) and had a milkshake with my dad
[13:03] <charlvn> if i remember correctly there was also a freedom toaster somewhere at rosebank but the toaster was kaput and terribly maintained
[13:04] <charlvn> one of the cd drive trays was missing, the sidepanels were stripped off, etc
[13:04] <charlvn> i till reported it to the shuttleworth foundation
[13:10] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell nlsthzn no problem :P
[13:10] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure, I'll tell nlsthzn on freenode
[14:09] <Mezenir> hi guys
[14:48] <superfly> hey Mezenir
[14:49] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[14:49] <Mezenir> wadup
[14:52]  * superfly is recovering...
[14:54] <zeref> booze binge :whistle:
[14:54]  * zeref runs
[14:55] <Mezenir> recovering ?
[15:34] <mazal> Evening all
[15:43] <superfly> Mezenir: yeah, alimentary canal problems
[15:44] <Mezenir> wassat
[15:44] <Mezenir> hey mazal
[15:44] <superfly> Mezenir: spent the night emptying my stomach into the toilet
[15:47] <Mezenir> ah
[15:47] <Mezenir> always fun
[15:47] <mazal> oi
[16:01] <inetpro> superfly: I hope you feel better now
[16:03] <inetpro> YIEKS!!
[16:03] <inetpro> to many drupal queries killing disc with mysql logging enabled
[16:04]  * inetpro wonders whether I should rather just enable binary logs
[16:04] <superfly> inetpro: marginally better - I've at least been able to drink 1 and a half cups of tea and eat an apple
[16:05] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:07] <inetpro> superfly: perhaps you should try whole-grain breakfast cereal like oats?
[16:08] <inetpro> Eating oatmeal, which is bland and nutritious, can help ease your symptoms and improve your condition
[16:09] <zeref> inetpro: thats sounds like it's from an add :D
[16:09] <inetpro> zeref: heh
[16:09] <inetpro> that's from http://www.livestrong.com/article/542245-oatmeal-for-an-upset-stomach/
[16:10] <inetpro> but I know from personal experience that oats is good for you
[16:10] <inetpro> easy on the stomach
[16:14] <zeref> ahhh
[16:15] <inetpro> zeref, superfly: but I must say that I am by no means qualified to say whether that article is true or not
[16:17] <inetpro> I just know that you have to get something into the stomach before you will start to feel better
[16:32] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, but it's a bit of a delicate balance
[16:33] <inetpro> superfly: true
[16:33] <superfly> inetpro: you'll be pleased to know I have a bowl of oats in front of me ;-)
[16:33]  * superfly hasn't had oats in YEARS
[16:33] <inetpro> cool, I hope it works
[17:46]  * nuvolari facepalms
[17:46] <nuvolari> any suggestions besides Base64 for encoding a string?
[17:47] <nuvolari> yesterday I was fighting with &, today it's "?"
[17:48] <nuvolari> if you have ? somewhere in a string, in a specific location, it yields something with a "/" in it
[17:48] <nuvolari> which breaks REST-like URL parsing :-/
[17:49] <nuvolari> I know this is a linux channel, but you are smart people :P
[17:49] <Tonberry> does your language not have a url encoder of some sort?
[17:55] <nuvolari> Tonberry: URL encoding doesn't help in REST-like URL's (if it becomes one of the parameters)
[17:57] <Tonberry> i see
[17:58] <Tonberry> not a clue then
[17:59] <superfly> nuvolari: pastebin your problem?
[18:01] <nuvolari> superfly: http://pastebin.com/dU0Jq2kD
[18:02] <superfly> nuvolari: in Python there's a urlsafe_b64encode - does Java not have such a function?
[18:03] <nuvolari> *cough* not that I know of (not in the standard libraries)
[18:05] <nuvolari> looks as if apache commons-codec has such a method
[18:08] <nuvolari> ooh :>
[18:08] <nuvolari> that looks promising
[18:11] <nuvolari> thanks superfly
[18:26] <smile4linux> leaving, bye :)
[19:40] <queery> did I copy the wrong one?
[19:42] <queery> sorry charlvn and inetpro
[19:42] <inetpro> queery: ?
[19:43] <inetpro> queery: what's the queery about?
[19:43] <queery> sorry for the wrong link earlier
[19:43] <queery> can you please add the event to the status
[19:44] <queery> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-za/1792/detail/
[19:52] <charlvn> np queery
[20:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:24]  * inetpro shall have to remember that
[20:25] <inetpro> ahh...
[20:25] <inetpro> I didn't even notice that I'm opped
[20:29] <charlvn> highvoltage probably did it
[20:30] <charlvn> but now inetpro, you're the boss
[20:30] <inetpro> charlvn: heh
[20:30] <charlvn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c
[20:30]  * inetpro busy getting all the facts together
[20:31] <inetpro> almost to much to add above
[20:31] <inetpro> shall I add the following?
[20:31] <inetpro> Ubuntu Hour at The Mall of Rosebank on Sat, 02 June 12:00 SAST http://bit.ly/JD0qCS
[20:31] <inetpro> or should I make it shorter?
[20:32] <charlvn> Ubuntu Hour Rosebank @ 2 June
[20:32] <charlvn> with the link of course
[20:32] <charlvn> actually Ubuntu Hour 2 June @ Rosebank is more logical
[20:32] <inetpro> k
[20:37] <inetpro> done
[20:37] <inetpro> any more queries?
[20:37] <inetpro> :-)
[20:39] <inetpro> thanks drubin


[02:34] <cat_> Hi I'm having an issue with Jack.
[02:34] <cat_> I can't seem to start it. http://pastebin.com/B3pdSHkC
[02:35] <cat_> I have tried the fixes I found on forums like reconfiguring and pausing pulseaudio.
[02:38] <cat_> here are some scrnshots of my config http://i.imgur.com/6hVj6qk.png http://i.imgur.com/WQv8k0q.png
[03:14] <cat_> brb going to restart
[03:15] <cat_> ok back
[03:16] <cat_> ok it seems when I log out and log back in it works until I try to change the sound card. I will mess with this again one sec.
[03:19] <cat__> Well I think I kind of fixed it. It only stops working if I launch sound settings. After that I have to log out and back in.
[03:22] <cat__> It also happens when I make any change to the number of ports.
[08:48] <HiDeHo> hi
[08:48] <HiDeHo> anyone here
[08:49] <HiDeHo> need some help with ubuntu studio
[08:49] <cfhowlett> !ask
[08:50] <HiDeHo> i know about how irc works. is anyone around and watching
[08:51] <HiDeHo> anyway cfhowlett the software appp in ubuntu studio does not show any apps or anything at all
[08:51] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo, bring this to #ubuntu.  I had the same experience but it self corrected.
[08:52] <HiDeHo> cfhowlett: i am on ubuntu studio. they will tell me to come here and ask as its ubuntu studio and not ubuntu.
[08:53] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo, you're on ubuntu.  leave it that and ask your question
[08:54] <HiDeHo> ok thanks cfhowlett. the thing with #ubuntu is if your not using ubuntu they wont help. they tell people to go to channels like #kubuntu, #ubuntustudio etc for exact help. the only supported os is the main ubuntu os there.
[08:54] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo, or try the command line.  sudo apt update
[08:54] <HiDeHo> yea that would work though its a fresh install so should have done all that when installing.
[08:55] <HiDeHo> thanks man
[08:55] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[08:55] <HiDeHo> cfhowlett: thanks. how long have you been using ubuntu Studio
[09:15] <cub> HiDeHo: to my understanding it was a bug that was fixed upstream, but you might need to update before it's fixed, as cfhowlett wrote.
[09:16] <cub> A bit strange that #ubuntu sends people here for ubuntu generic questions as the channel clearly states "This channel supports: Ubuntu and its official flavors"
[09:16] <HiDeHo> well i did run sudo apt-get update but still software manager is blank. i installed synaptic not all apps that are usually in the ubuntu repos show.
[09:17] <cub> HiDeHo: just to make sure did you also run sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[09:17] <HiDeHo> just a difference in ubuntu studio which is why Ubuntu Studio is not supported in #ubuntu why would cfhowlett said to go
[09:17] <cub> the Software center is the same in ubuntu and studio
[09:17] <HiDeHo> i have learnt never to run sudo apt-get upgrade it can screw the os
[09:17] <cub> And Ubuntu Studio is an official flavour of Ubuntu. So they should support it their as well. But well ..
[09:18] <HiDeHo> ubuntu studio always has used synaptic since the early days because dabian had it. first
[09:18] <cub> HiDeHo: if you only run apt-get update it will only fetch the list of all new software updates, you need to run upgrade to install them
[09:18] <HiDeHo> why software centre was introduced i dont know
[09:19] <HiDeHo> ok well from my linux experance running sudo apt-get upgrade is used to upgrade the os from say ubuntu 14.04 to ubunut 14.10 and that always fails
[09:19] <HiDeHo> ubuntu is not a rolling release
[09:20] <HiDeHo> but i will run the apt-get upgrade now
[09:20] <cub> I run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' every time. It has not installed a new release since 2007. So I'm quite certain it works
[09:22] <cub> HiDeHo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/196768/how-to-install-updates-via-command-line#196777
[09:22] <HiDeHo> well dist-upgrade has never been an officially supported because it has issues. first if you run dist-upgrade say from ubuntu 14.04 - 14.10 and then compare that to a fresh install it will never be exactly the same
[09:22] <cub> I wouldn't run an upgrade to a new release.
[09:22] <HiDeHo> dist-upgrade only upgrades what is already there. it never installs newly added things that where not in the previous version.
[09:23] <HiDeHo> this is a fresh install done an hour or so ago
[09:23] <HiDeHo> usually i have used linux mint but i was given an old vista laptop and i wanted to try ubuntu studio
[09:23] <cub> yes, but that fresh install might not have the latest fixes unless it was downloaded during installation?
[09:24] <HiDeHo> well it should have been downloaded during installation pulling the latest from the ubuntu repos
[09:24] <HiDeHo> that is how most linux os i have used work, well all debian based ones anyway
[09:25]  * HiDeHo what does i really know except what experance has taught me. things change and improve sometimes without me knowing.
[09:25] <HiDeHo> so i stand to be corrected and have run sudo apt-get upgrade now
[09:25] <cub> only if you tick the box during installation. And then I have had times where it timed out getting the updates so usually I only run the installation from my usb and the run apt-get update and upgrade afterwards
[09:26] <HiDeHo> yea good idea.
[09:26] <HiDeHo> cub: how long have you been using Ustudio
[09:26] <cub> since 2007
[09:26] <HiDeHo> cool what made you want/need Ustudio
[09:27] <cub> I had an old computer that wouldn't record music in Windows without getting a new computer. :D And I had been using different linux distros before and when I found Ubuntu Studio it just worked.
[09:28] <cub> HiDeHo: why did you install Ubuntu Studio?
[09:28] <HiDeHo> because i am a musician and wanted to see what tools ubuntu studio had
[09:29] <HiDeHo> i used to have a macbook but that was stolen 2 years ago. I have not done any recording etc since then.
[09:29] <cub> Cool, I hope you find it useful. And if not, let us know! Always good to know when something is lacking
[09:30] <cub> It's basically "just" Ubuntu with stuff pre-installed and pre-configured.
[09:30] <HiDeHo> I want to see what tools DAW, drum machines, setup my mini sound desk with audio interfface, midi keyboard etc
[09:30] <HiDeHo> even my ok usb mic
[09:30] <HiDeHo> yes ubuntu needs special kernals etc for all the music app. low latency kernels etc so jackd works etc.
[09:31] <cub> I had issues with my old usb sound card until 12.04 I think. From then I could run it fully
[09:31] <HiDeHo> i would have used mint but its a pain to set up and install all the right backend and kernals etc
[09:31] <cub> Aha
[09:31] <HiDeHo> cool
[09:31] <HiDeHo> i did test Ustusio many years ago before i got into recording music. it was ok then but i had no need for it all.
[09:36] <HiDeHo> hi back
[09:36] <HiDeHo> sorry about that
[09:36] <HiDeHo> cub, firefox needed restarting
[09:37] <cub> I figured it was just temporary
[09:39] <cub> did the updates make any difference HiDeHo ?`
[09:41] <HiDeHo> cub, does Ustudio use the ubuntu non-free repos
[09:42] <HiDeHo> just checking
[09:42] <cub> Not by default, but you can tick the box for it in the installation or afterwards. I use it because, well it's a lot of useful stuff in there
[09:42] <HiDeHo> yes i am looing for pacisa atm
[09:43] <cub> I'm at work so will be AFK for a while
[09:44] <HiDeHo> nope no option to add not-free repos in software & updates app
[09:44] <HiDeHo> usually it should be there
[09:45] <HiDeHo> mmmm now to find the repo to add manually in comand line
[09:46] <HiDeHo> its just little things that are different in Ustudio so i see
[09:47] <HiDeHo> cub, you there
[09:49] <HiDeHo> i already have the main, restricted, multiverse, universe repos added.
[09:50] <HiDeHo> ok cub guess your busy now. thanks for your help
[11:01] <HiDeHo> Hi all just having problems with finding picasa in the repos its not showing atm
[11:22] <cub> HiDeHo: I'm not sure Picasa is or should be in there?
[11:23] <HiDeHo> well it is in mint which uses the same repos as ub untu.
[11:23] <HiDeHo> cub, its ok i can run without it for now.
[11:23] <HiDeHo> just weird picasa is not there.
[11:24] <HiDeHo> the latest deb i found was for ubuntu petra thats an old ubuntu os
[11:25] <cub> That's weird. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Picasa
[11:25] <HiDeHo> cub, also i still have the blank software app problem. and i cant install .deb files
[11:26] <HiDeHo> well cub i have picasa installed on my mint os which is a ubuntu 14.04 base and it was in the repos
[11:26] <HiDeHo> maybe they have removed picasa in 16.04
[11:27] <HiDeHo> fair enough
[11:27] <HiDeHo> that means i will have to install wine just to get picasa.
[11:27] <HiDeHo> oh well i may leave that for now.
[11:27] <HiDeHo> thanks man
[11:28] <cub> HiDeHo: 14.04 I can understand. But as the support ended March 2016 it was probably pulled from the 16.04 then
[11:29] <HiDeHo> yea i know but picasa has great features and is a great photo manager. i have yet to find a simple photo manager/editor in linux.
[11:29] <cub> the software center issue is unfortunate. I can't do much more from here (mandatory windows computer....)
[11:30] <HiDeHo> ok your on windows atm thats understandable
[11:30] <HiDeHo> i am slowly setting up ubuntu studio with all the extra apps i use.
[11:30] <HiDeHo> its great.
[13:00] <HiDeHo> thanks for the help today cub
[13:01] <cub> We didn't solve much though. :D
[21:19] <unicornjedi> hello
[21:48] <HiDeHo> Hi all anyone here today.
[21:59] <HiDeHo> today i am trying to get an audio interface set up. it shows 2 devices when i plug it in.
[22:18] <HiDeHo> i can not get it to conect and record in audacity using jackd
[22:39] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: audacity and jack do not work well together
[22:41] <OvenWerks> if you start jack with qjackctl, you should end up with the PA-jack bridge running. Then set audacity to use pulse. That is what I do if I want to use audacity for editing.
[22:42] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, to connect an audio interface to Ustudio you need to use jack.
[22:42] <OvenWerks> not true
[22:42] <HiDeHo> Ardour will detect the signal from the usb mixeer but will not record anything
[22:42] <OvenWerks> if jack is not running you can connect directly to alsa
[22:43] <OvenWerks> Ardour and audacity are two very different animals
[22:43] <HiDeHo> ok i will try that. thanks. New user to Ustudio i installed it yesterday.
[22:43] <OvenWerks> which one are you using?
[22:43] <HiDeHo> i am trying to test out things, set it al up and then begin recording my stuff again.
[22:44] <HiDeHo> new user so testing out all apps. and stuff
[22:44] <HiDeHo> you know see what things do etc.
[22:45] <OvenWerks> ok. Audacity is an audio editor (destuctive) while Ardour is a full DAW that uses non-destructive editing.
[22:45] <HiDeHo> so with audacity dont use jack and will try again. if that works i can do basic recording. then i will try to set up Ardour
[22:46] <HiDeHo> audacity can record tracks from instruments. edit previous rechorded audio.  Ardour is more like Garegeband i used before my macbook was stolen.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> Ardour is more like protools.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> I think but am not sure that LMMS is more like garageband
[22:48] <OvenWerks> LMMS however, lacks the ability to record audio directly.
[22:48] <HiDeHo> never used protools.
[22:49] <OvenWerks> Qtractor may be better for that, but does not have any internal synths as it expects the user to load plugins instead.
[22:50] <OvenWerks> Harrison mixbus and Mixbus32c are based on Ardour. So any of the Mixbus videos on Harrison's site or you tube apply to Ardour.
[22:51] <OvenWerks> This console here uses Ardour. http://harrisonconsoles.com/site/images/mpc5img.png  (see the monitor on the very righthand end...)
[22:51] <HiDeHo> i believe that garageband is buuilt on the same bass as apples logic pro app. so it is compatable. just a simplified version of that now. they look and feel similar too..
[22:52] <HiDeHo> it seems in Ustudio/Linux you need a set of tools where on pc/mac you need just one app that can do it all.
[22:52] <HiDeHo> strange really.
[22:52] <OvenWerks> I have not used logic myself. I am told the closest linux app to logic is qtractor.
[22:52] <HiDeHo> but i understand Linux stuff is all free
[22:53] <HiDeHo> ok cool then qtractor is another good DAW is it??
[22:53] <OvenWerks> Ardour can now do pretty much the whole production from one end to the other.
[22:53] <OvenWerks> qtracktor is a tracker (according to it's author)
[22:54] <OvenWerks> It depends on what kind of music you want to do really.
[22:54] <HiDeHo> so does ardour have built in synths, drums, midi instrument effects (bass, guitar, keyboard, piano, etc)
[22:55] <OvenWerks> There are plugins (preinstalled on ubuntustudio) that do all of those things
[22:55] <HiDeHo> write, record, compose music simply which i could do all from garageband before.
[22:55] <HiDeHo> its cool thanks for the help OvenWerks its gettig me introduced to Ustudio.
[22:55] <OvenWerks> depends on the kind of music.
[22:56] <OvenWerks> I do those things with a guitar and a paper :)
[22:56] <HiDeHo> i am supprised with Ustudio this channel is often empty
[22:56] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, paper cant record your music man
[22:57] <OvenWerks> There are not many people. Also most are in Europe and so are awake acording to UTC or +100 or so
[22:57] <HiDeHo> that sucks. i would think Ustudio would have a bigger user base.
[22:57] <OvenWerks> I happen to be living in -0700
[22:58] <HiDeHo> i am living in +1200 ahead of everyone of you al
[22:58] <HiDeHo> lol
[22:58] <OvenWerks> I do use Ardour to record.
[22:59] <OvenWerks> So dateline.
[22:59] <HiDeHo> lol yes i am the first place to get the new day. we trump the world with seeing in the new year and being first to see the new day here.
[23:00] <HiDeHo> that cool plus we have a mostly stable country and no wars and fighting unlike lots of the world
[23:00] <HiDeHo> but yes its a dateline thing
[23:00] <HiDeHo> lol. ok thanks i gtg now and eat, then do some chores today. thanks for the heads up with Ustudio
[23:00] <OvenWerks> I am on the wet coast of Canada. Mostly pretty stabe as well.
[23:01] <HiDeHo> i have been to VC in BC before its a great place
[23:01] <HiDeHo> even got to whistler in 2009 when they where under construction for the olymoics
[23:01] <OvenWerks> I haven't been there for a while.
[23:01] <HiDeHo> winter olympics
[23:02] <HiDeHo> i was shocked that the averge wage was about the same as here. but that things cost way cheaper. a laptop that was $400 there would coust $800 locally
[23:03] <OvenWerks> that is changing.
[23:03] <OvenWerks> Richmond used to be the cheapest place in the world for computer bits.
[23:03] <HiDeHo> yes as the dollar value goes up and down it does change
[23:04] <HiDeHo> even food was cheaper a watermellow locally was about $2.50 for whole one here $5
[23:05] <HiDeHo> the only thing was in 2009 it was the Heatwave 40+ deg C and more like Australia with fire in the hills etc
[23:05] <HiDeHo> if you remember that
[23:06] <OvenWerks> Food has gone up a lot. Even last year I could get 1KG of Almonds for <10$ now $26 for the same bag.
[23:06] <HiDeHo> wow yea
[23:06] <OvenWerks> (some of that could be a really bad season in Califonia)
[23:07] <HiDeHo> one thing is that old computer parts here are usually taken to the tip or a recycling scrap centre. and are hard to get.
[23:07] <HiDeHo> i hear in the USA they have in some places 2nd hand computer shops where people take old computers and the parts are stripped out and can get for a few $
[23:07] <OvenWerks> Same, I put the word out and have had some bits given to me.
[23:07] <ubuntourist> Any python-osc / UDP experts here? When I establish a connection from a client with udp_client.UDPClient(...), how do I detect which IP to respond to in the server?
[23:08] <OvenWerks> While I do know some OSC, I have been programing in c++ with liblo direct.
[23:08] <HiDeHo> because parts are hard to get i had to take several old computers to the recycling scrap place. because of dead ram/cpu power supply etc.  it broke my heart
[23:09] <ubuntourist> If I explicitly supply the return IP in the server's udp_client.UDPClient(...) it works. I'm trying to figure out how to automatically figure out what to add.
[23:09] <HiDeHo> while i can do soem basic html formatting i cant do programming
[23:09] <HiDeHo> ok all i gtg now thanks again OvenWerks
[23:10] <OvenWerks> Bye now.
[23:10] <HiDeHo> i will slowly and carefully go through each app and see how they work in Ustudio and then see what i need to use.
[23:10] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: I use lo_address_get_url (lo_address a) to get the sending systems url.
[23:11] <ubuntourist> OverWerks: I've forgotten why I didn't go with liblo... Maybe anticipation of Windows? (Right now, it's between Linux, Mac, and a proprietary DSP that speaks OSC.)
[23:11] <HiDeHo> it seems one good thing about most of the appps is that they have godo documentation if you want to read up on things. not so many youtube videos for the linux apps.
[23:11] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: That doesn't sound right
[23:11] <studio-user636> hello
[23:12] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: I thought I read that liblo doesn't like Windows.  What doesn't sound right?
[23:13] <OvenWerks> lo_message_get_source (msg) is what I use.
[23:13] <HiDeHo> here is my computer specks i was given an old vista laptop on the weekend so i thought why not try Ustudio. i have Mint on my other main laptop atm
[23:13] <HiDeHo> CPU~Dual core AMD Turion X2 Mobile RM-70 (-MCP-) speed/max~1000/2000 MHz Kernel~4.4.0-28-lowlatency x86_64 Up~1:30 Mem~1602.1/1998.3MB HDD~250.1GB(8.8% used) Procs~227 Client~HexChat 2.10.2 inxi~2.2.35
[23:13] <OvenWerks> Ardour builds in windows.
[23:13] <HiDeHo> this should be enough specks to do some decent recording i think.
[23:14] <HiDeHo> what do you think OvenWerks
[23:14] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: yes. I have done recording on a netbook with 1 GB
[23:14] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: I see now that I was mistaken. Maybe it was a Python 2 vs. Python 3 issue.
[23:14] <HiDeHo> i am liking Ustudio 16.04 so far
[23:14] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: glad you like it.
[23:15] <HiDeHo> if i like Ustudio i could easily use it as my everyday os
[23:15] <OvenWerks> you probably should be using python2... it still seems to be standard
[23:15] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: I guess that's not it either. So, maybe I'll try to go back and retrofit everything. But it's a big app.
[23:15] <ubuntourist> (A big set of apps, really. By my meager standards.)
[23:15] <HiDeHo> Ustudio has all i need plus woo hoo low latency and setup for music production apps
[23:16] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: I don't know I am not very good with python or the libs that go with it.
[23:17] <HiDeHo> the low latency is a pain to set up in my preferred Linux Mint os.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> have you tried the linux_audio_developer mailing list?
[23:17] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, you seem like a nice guy. what stuff do you record and mix there
[23:17] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: really? it should just install as it uses the same repos.
[23:18] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks Nope. I thought I'd try my hand in IRC first (after several web searches that weren't quite enough).
[23:18] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, it was something to do with the mint setup and conflicts. I thought so too but others also had same issues trying to set it all up.
[23:18] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: I have been doing more coding than making music. I play with people on the weekends, bass guitar and mandolin
[23:19] <HiDeHo> ubuntourist, with irc this channel is for Ustudio your lucky OvenWerks knows something about this subject lol.
[23:19] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: Ah, could be. I tried mint once
[23:19] <HiDeHo> Mint is a way better os that where ubuntu is now.
[23:19]  * OvenWerks happens to be working on Ardour's OSC code these days
[23:20] <ubuntourist> HiDeHo: My early experiments with OSC and Python were being tested against SuperCollider on my UbuntuStudio box. I also got a wee bit of OSC with PD and Processing.
[23:20] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: Also try the #lad in irc
[23:21] <HiDeHo> when ubuntu changed away from gnome and went with Unity many users ditched Ubuntu and went over to mint.
[23:21] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: Thanks!
[23:21] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: that is also why Studio uses xfce
[23:22] <HiDeHo> in the early days of testing out linux i tried some os that confused me allot. even ubuntu did. then i got mint free on an computer mag cd. and boom linux made sense.
[23:22] <HiDeHo> back then it was mint with gnome 2
[23:22] <HiDeHo> i know ubuntu studio uses xfce because its light, fast, optimised and low on resourceses
[23:22] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: there has not been much activity in #lad today. maybe the long weekend.
[23:23] <HiDeHo> i loved gnome 2 but when that went eol i moved to xfce. just before the mate fork camem out
[23:23] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: also partly because it is close to gnome2
[23:23] <HiDeHo> i love and use xfce on all my so
[23:23] <HiDeHo> mint, puppy and Ustudio.
[23:24] <OvenWerks> My wife was using kde (kubuntu) for a bit, but I kept having issues. SO last upgrade I went xubuntu.
[23:25] <HiDeHo> the only thing is on my Odroid U3 (small arm dev board similar to Raspberry PI) ubuntu 14.04 had a some issue with xfce so they used Lxde. and i find lxde and xfce so similar that i hardly notice any difference. only thing is that being an arm device some apps are not built and others only have part of them there.
[23:25] <OvenWerks> What I like about xubuntu over mint is that in mint I have the problems I had two years ago that ubuntu has fixed... of course that means I have troubles mint will see next release :)
[23:26] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: lxde uses some of xfce's bits... I think the pannel is xfce's for example.
[23:26] <HiDeHo> xfce is the best choice. as its light and fast out of the box. to get fancy effects and such you just have to do allot more setup work than Cinnamon, unity, Kde etc
[23:26] <HiDeHo> so xfce is way user frendly and customisavble
[23:27] <HiDeHo> plus xfce will run on any device no matter how old
[23:27] <OvenWerks> :)
[23:28] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: you may have to wait some time in lad before someone answers... have patience leave it run over night if needed
[23:29] <HiDeHo> the only other verry light light desktop I have seen apart from xfce/Lxde is JWM (joes window manager) JWM is the default in puppy linux
[23:29] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks I may try the list, as I can't really leave any of my systems on overnight.
[23:33] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: or try early in the morning. Think UTC time.
[23:33] <OvenWerks> (France, Berlin, UK...
[23:35] <HiDeHo> cool is as cool can be.
[23:35] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: there are actually quite a few
[23:36] <HiDeHo> most of my previous recordings are on my osx backup hdd its just sutting there unused iincase on one day get another macbook pro or something.
[23:37] <OvenWerks> many of them have been around a long time like motif, tab, fvwm etc.
[23:37] <HiDeHo> the only thing stopping me appart from price is i hate the direction apple has gone with fixed parts and limited storage.
[23:37] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, you realise that DE and WM are different
[23:37] <HiDeHo> similar yes
[23:38] <HiDeHo> a light system is using openbox like Crunchbang but last i checked that was built on gnome which is not too light
[23:38] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: most DAWs allow exporting stems. Ardour can import those.
[23:38] <HiDeHo> stems??
[23:38] <OvenWerks> When I started using linux the wm was the also the DE
[23:38] <OvenWerks> Stems are all the tracks each as it's own wave file.
[23:39] <HiDeHo> well a WM can be part of a DE setup but DE dont need a WM
[23:39] <HiDeHo> ah i see
[23:40] <HiDeHo> i thought it was a typo for streams
[23:40] <HiDeHo> as in audio streams
[23:40] <OvenWerks> streams normally means real timeish
[23:40] <HiDeHo> ok
[23:41] <OvenWerks> only thing is stems to comewith plugins etc.
[23:41] <OvenWerks> s/to/don't/
[23:43] <HiDeHo> hey OvenWerks does Ustudio have an update manager that runs in the pannel
[23:43] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: things have changed in 16.04 (in all of ubuntu)
[23:43] <HiDeHo> used to that in Mint
[23:43] <HiDeHo> really
[23:43] <HiDeHo> ok
[23:44] <HiDeHo> i see an app software updater
[23:44] <OvenWerks> I am not sure what the answer to that is. I don't seem to get messages poping up telling there are updates any more.
[23:44] <OvenWerks> Ya, that is what I use.
[23:44] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, is it ok to run software updater app
[23:44] <HiDeHo> in mint it has a shield app in the panel runningn to show when things need updating.
[23:45] <OvenWerks> studio used to as well.
[23:45] <OvenWerks> hey there is a new gimp...
[23:45] <HiDeHo> ok looks like that is not setup darn it.
[23:45] <HiDeHo> yes lol just saw that and ubuntu update
[23:45] <HiDeHo> i find gimp to complex. i like picasa but that is eol for linux
[23:46] <OvenWerks> Also a bunch of boost and c++ stuff :P
[23:46] <HiDeHo> sad :(
[23:46] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: I found why I didn't go with Liblo: According to http://stackoverflow.com/a/27545949/447830
[23:46] <HiDeHo> dont have boost and C++ here
[23:46] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: Liblo is a bit harder to get working on MS Windows because it supports only POSIX threads (pthreads) but not the native win32 thread API, so you need an emulation library
[23:47] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, is there any pannel extra plugins packs.
[23:48] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: I am not sure how Ardour deals with That.
[23:48] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: I think so. I have weather going here.
[23:49] <HiDeHo> no there is no extras panel app for xfce4-panel not in 16.04 anyway
[23:49] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: In any case, my query is now on the LAD mailing list. We shall see.
[23:50] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: xfce4-equake-plugin
[23:50] <HiDeHo> oh
[23:50] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: open synaptic and search xfce
[23:50] <HiDeHo> there used to be a meta package containing all the extra plugins for xfce4-panel
[23:51] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: xfce4-goodies.
[23:52] <OvenWerks> maybe that has too much
[23:53] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: Ya, I think that is the one