[00:04] <devfil__> s/7496/7573/
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> Holy crap, kdeartwork has 18,000 + files
[00:15] <yuriy> 7 or so copies of every icon
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> it's slowing dolphin down to a grinding fail copying them over
[00:17]  * JontheEchidna should've used mv
[00:18] <jjesse_> wow thats a lot ofiles
[00:23] <devfil__> Riddell uploaded: https://edge.launchpad.net/~d.filoni/+archive
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> great, lights flickering...
[00:24]  * JontheEchidna needs an ups
[00:24] <devfil__> I'm going to sleep
[00:24] <devfil__> bye
[00:32]  * apachelogger pokes Arby
[00:37] <dorins> Hi. I get this error when installing kde-zeroconf-kde4
[00:37] <dorins> Unpacking kde-zeroconf-kde4 (from .../kde-zeroconf-kde4_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_i386.deb) ...
[00:37] <dorins> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-zeroconf-kde4_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[00:37] <dorins>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/kio_zeroconf.so', which is also in package kdnssd-kde4
[00:37] <dorins> missing Replaces: line?
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> what version is kdnssd-kde4 at?
[00:41] <dorins> Version: 4:4.0.5-0ubuntu1~hardy1
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> Hmm
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> I guess it's possible that the files moved around since 4.0.5
[00:44] <dorins> I think kdnssd-kde4 was renamed to kde-zeroconf-kde4, they seem to have pretty much the same files
[00:50] <dorins> JontheEchidna: should i log a bug in launchpad?
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> sure
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> I'll make sure to pass the info along to whomever packages kdenetwork for hardy next
[00:52] <dorins> ok, thanks!
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> dorins: oh, once you're done filing the bug report could you link to it here?
[00:56] <dorins> JontheEchidna: sure
[01:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you could create a wiki page for backport coordination and add a list of stuff that should be looked at ;-)
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Modeled after the regular packaging page?
[01:03]  * JontheEchidna is backporting as he goes because pbuilder can't tell him if files are missing, btw
[01:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: either that, or get creative ;-)
[01:13] <dorins> JontheEchidna: added bug #251331
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> cool
[01:19] <vorian> werd apachelogger!
[01:19] <vorian> enjoy the party?
[01:19] <apachelogger> <-- uberdrunk but packaging ;-)
[01:19] <vorian> haha
[01:20] <vorian> kool, I just grabed kdebase
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> Ha, dh_install takes longer than compiling does with kdeartwork
[01:22] <vorian> haha
[01:22] <vorian> low hanging fruit
[01:22] <vorian> apachelogger: do you have extragear?
[01:23] <apachelogger> vorian: why do you need it?
[01:23] <vorian> uh, just thinking ahead
[01:23] <vorian> :P
[01:23]  * apachelogger would rather have the core stuff packaged and backported before thinking about extragear ;-)
[01:24] <vorian> fine
[01:24] <vorian> :P
[01:27] <vorian> I always love seeing: Congratulations! All external packages have been found.
[01:40]  * JontheEchidna sorta wishes pinentry was Oxygen-y
[01:41] <vorian> i wish i had an oxygen bar
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> base - in progress yo
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[01:44] <vorian> haha
[01:45] <vorian> i also have -workspace and -runtime going
[01:45]  * vorian is crazy
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> yes, you is
[01:47] <vorian> all your base belongs to us
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> someone set us up the bomb!
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> kdeartwork + backport done for great justice!
[01:59] <vorian> arrrg
[01:59] <vorian> ^5
[01:59] <jjesse_> whose the pirate?
[02:00]  * vorian points at jjesse_
[02:06] <vorian> ok, maybe it's really JontheEchidna
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> arrr, ye caught meh
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> You'll never catch me-- Vtec just kicked in, yo!
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> Well that's probably it for the night for me
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> We've made good progress and the tarballs aren't even out yet
[02:09] <vorian> werd to yer mama
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> werd
[08:05] <Arby> apachelogger: you poked?
[09:59] <davmor2> Riddell: morning Just running Ubuntu Live cds and then I'm going for the Kubuntu cds should ubiquity be fixed in them now?
[10:33] <Riddell> davmor2: should be
[10:34] <davmor2> Riddell: cool :)
[10:52] <Wubbbi> hello :)
[11:00]  * seaLne is begining to get fedup with listening to gotam project which was all Riddell left on this laptop
[11:01] <seaLne> Nightrose: how are you supposed to get amarok 2 alpha1 to work through a proxy?
[11:02] <Nightrose> hehe
[11:02] <Nightrose> seaLne: i have no idea if that works already
[11:02] <Nightrose> but if you need to change the kde proxy settings
[11:02] <Nightrose> if not please file a bug report
[11:03] <Wubbbi> Nightrose: Amarok 2 alpha 2 Released Yesterday http://amarok.kde.org/en/node
[11:03] <seaLne> in 1 there was a xine config option for proxy but phonon seems a bit black magic
[11:03] <Wubbbi> thats maybe fix some bugs ;)
[11:04] <Wubbbi> -s
[11:04] <Nightrose> Wubbbi: I know
[11:04] <Nightrose> I released it ;-)
[11:04] <Nightrose> but nothing proxy related changed between alpha 1 and 2
[11:05] <Nightrose> seaLne: let me have a look
[11:05] <Nightrose> sec
[11:05] <Wubbbi> Nightrose: hihihi *my face gets red* ^^
[11:05] <Nightrose> ;-)
[11:06] <Nightrose> seaLne: hmmm do you use xine as a backend for phonon?
[11:06] <Wubbbi> Well I have installed it and I get crashs by listening to musik on the Internet. But no debugger is installed. What I need to install?
[11:07] <Nightrose> Wubbbi: do you get a kcrash dialog?
[11:08] <Wubbbi> yes. But I also get an error, that no debugger is installed. So I have no error massge. Just "The application Amarok (amarok) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)."
[11:09] <Wubbbi> omg ... I have forgott to install gdb ^^
[11:09] <Wubbbi> sorry
[11:10] <Nightrose> hehe just wanted to say...
[11:10] <Nightrose> ;-)
[11:12] <Riddell> seaLne: it's about as mainstream as my music gets :)
[11:12] <Nightrose> *lol*
[11:12] <Wubbbi> Nightrose: Here is the Error :D http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29913/
[11:13] <Wubbbi> That happend by trying to type something into MP3Tunes.com ... :/
[11:14] <Nightrose> Wubbbi: show it to Ramblurr please - he is the guy working on mp3tunes
[11:14] <Nightrose> though he is kinda mia right now
[11:14] <Nightrose> wonder where he is...
[11:15] <Wubbbi> ^^ where is he? xD
[11:15] <Wubbbi> that is kinda?
[11:15] <Nightrose> well he is online but hasn't said a word in the last 3 days or so
[11:16] <Wubbbi> OMG xD
[11:16] <Nightrose> and his mentor hasn't heard anything from hi either
[11:16] <Nightrose> *him
[11:16] <Nightrose> need to investigate
[11:17] <Wubbbi> Maybe he went on Holyday?
[11:17] <Wubbbi> Its summer :D
[11:18] <Nightrose> don't think so
[11:18] <Nightrose> he is the most enthusiastic of our students
[11:18] <Nightrose> maybe he was just burned out and needed a break
[11:18] <Nightrose> well I will find out
[11:19] <Wubbbi> Or he is ...
[11:19] <Wubbbi> I dont want to say that ^^
[11:24] <davmor2> Riddell: still no usplash
[11:26] <Riddell> davmor2: does ubuntu have one?
[11:27] <devfil> hi to all
[11:27] <davmor2> Riddell: it does now yes but Kub still doesn't
[11:28] <Riddell> hmm, maybe something needs rebuilt
[11:28] <devfil> Riddell: have you see koffice2 on my ppa?
[11:29] <davmor2> have a word with slangasek he fix ubuntu's yesterday
[11:34] <Riddell> davmor2: do you get X up in Kubuntu?
[11:35] <davmor2> I got a desktop yes
[11:35] <Riddell> hmm, I don't
[11:36] <davmor2> oooppps mind you I'm expecting the install to fail
[11:36] <davmor2> at about the 96% mark
[11:37] <Riddell> davmor2: freeze?
[11:38] <davmor2> yes same as ubuntu
[11:38] <davmor2> just trying to rule out gparted
[11:45] <devfil> Riddell: where do you want that I upload the diff.gz for koffice2?
[11:45] <davmor2> and crash
[11:45] <davmor2> 96% removing libntfs10
[11:52] <Riddell> davmor2: is bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/251223 I believe
[11:52] <davmor2> Riddell: yeap but trying to help nail whether it was gparted triggering the error (it isn't) :)
[11:53] <Riddell> ooh, linux-restricted-modules-common is back at last
[12:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, could you setup the kubuntu-website project (you registered) to use LP for bug reports please?
[12:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: done, I think
[12:24] <Riddell> devfil_: koffice2 copied into the main archive, should appear in an hour or so, many thanks for that
[12:25] <devfil_> Riddell: np
[12:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks :)
[12:31] <apachelogger> Arby: do you want to join the kde 4.1 packaging fun
[12:32]  * apachelogger has one awesome hangover and can't read properly
[12:34] <Wubbbi> Nightrose: is there a Amarok 2 Realeas plan? When will be the Final Version releast?
[12:34] <Wubbbi> ed
[12:34] <Nightrose> Wubbbi: there is a release plan but it is not public
[12:35]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger and hands him a big bottle of water to ease the hangover
[12:35] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:35] <Wubbbi> ok ... Will it be releast This year?? ;)
[12:35] <Nightrose> yes
[12:36] <Wubbbi> ok ... befor October?
[12:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thanks honey
[12:36] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:36] <Nightrose> Wubbbi: no
[12:36] <Wubbbi> ok ... thats all i want to know ^^
[12:36] <apachelogger> that's already about everything :P
[12:37] <Nightrose> :P
[12:37] <davmor2> Riddell: on a plus side Kub installs nicely now on alternative
[12:37] <Riddell> woo!
[12:38]  * Wubbbi spents a Beer to Riddell
[12:38] <Wubbbi> ;)
[12:39]  * JontheEchidna wakes up
[12:40] <Wubbbi> good morning xD. Please take out your books. We start with lesson 1 on page 6 ;)
[12:40]  * apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a coffee
[12:43] <davmor2> Riddell: can you wishlist bug 251463 for me please :)
[12:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, the albums plasmoid is not moving to a different containment
[12:45] <apachelogger> just appears really short trying to rendering then disappears again
[12:46] <Nightrose> ewww
[12:46] <apachelogger> davmor2: IMHO the bug is invalid
[12:46] <Nightrose> ok
[12:46] <apachelogger> plus it got no package assigned
[12:46] <apachelogger> davmor2: the desktop is supposed to be empty
[12:46] <apachelogger> therefore the plasmoids is also empty
[12:47] <davmor2> apachelogger: no in intrepid the is an empty plasmoid on the desktop called desktop and that is empty
[12:47] <davmor2> s/the/there
[12:48] <Nightrose> davmor2: a folderview very likely
[12:48] <apachelogger> righto
[12:48] <apachelogger> invalidy bug
[12:48] <Nightrose> it shows files in the desktop folder
[12:48] <apachelogger> plasma doesn't show icons anymore
[12:48] <Nightrose> and if there are none like it is supposed to be now it is empty
[12:49] <davmor2> Nightrose: If that is the case then why display it at all?
[12:49] <davmor2> that is my point
[12:49] <Nightrose> well people might have files there
[12:49] <apachelogger> davmor2: defautl download location is deskop on ubuntu
[12:49] <davmor2> dolphin not good enough anymore ;)
[12:49] <Nightrose> that too
[12:49] <apachelogger> davmor2: people like having icons on their desktop for some reason :P
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> you should have seen the flames when folderview was introduced
[12:50] <Nightrose> indeed
[12:50] <davmor2> Okay I think it just looks like an after thought
[12:50]  * apachelogger always wanted to see the better approach realy
[12:52] <JontheEchidna> Do you think we should set folderview as the default containment for 4.2?
[12:52] <Arby> apachelogger: as much as I'd love to join the fun I'm at work :)
[12:52] <apachelogger> Arby: well, later on
[12:53] <Arby> and unlikely to have much time this evening
[12:53]  * Arby is going to a gig tonjight
[12:53] <Arby> toight even
[12:53] <apachelogger> cool
[12:53] <Arby> bah fail
[12:53] <apachelogger> Arby: and tomorrow?
[12:53] <apachelogger> you know, we also have backports to do ;-)
[12:53] <Arby> lookig better
[12:53] <smarter> apachelogger: I don't think we can set a wallpaper with folderview, unless we hack it
[12:54] <Arby> I know, I have ktorrent to finish, hopefully before I go out tonight
[12:54] <apachelogger> yay, I crashed amarok
[12:54] <apachelogger> smarter: why?
[12:54] <smarter> it's not a desktop containment (:
[12:54] <apachelogger> well
[12:54] <apachelogger> hold on
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> It can be
[12:55] <apachelogger> smarter: do we talk about changing folderview's wallpaper? Oo
[12:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do I have to report a regular bug
[12:55] <Nightrose> when you set folderview as desktop containment you can't set a wallpaper
[12:55] <Nightrose> it will be in 4.2
[12:55] <Nightrose> apachelogger: about what?
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> That's why I said 4.2. ;)
[12:55] <apachelogger> why would one want to use folderview as containment?????
[12:56]  * apachelogger shudders
[12:56] <smarter> cause people like icons on the desktop :P
[12:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: amarok crash
[12:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: because they want _their_ desktop back ;-)
[12:56]  * JontheEchidna would just delete the folderview personally
[12:56] <apachelogger> smarter: why not have it a regular plasmoid?
[12:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: if you tell me when it crashed i can tell you if it is already filed
[12:56] <smarter> don't know, asks the trolls on kde mailing lists :P
[12:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the dynamic mode was like ended
[12:57] <Nightrose> verbatim: cause folderview sucks and i want my desktop back
[12:57] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:57] <Nightrose> really
[12:57] <apachelogger> I mean it was working since I had the 5 grey tracks + 1 but no others
[12:57] <Nightrose> they simply want it to be like kde 3
[12:57] <apachelogger> so I pressed repopulate
[12:57] <apachelogger> that didn't do anything
[12:57] <apachelogger> so I tried turning it off
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh btw, I forgot the bump up the version of kdebase-workspace-dev as a build dep for kdeartwork + backport
[12:57] <apachelogger> causing amarok to go wocka
[12:57] <apachelogger> I have a super backtrace btw
[12:58]  * smarter likes being able to drag'n'drop between his local ~ and his ssh ~
[12:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ah Daniel had a few crashed with that already - give him another week - if it happens again please file a bug
[12:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hold on to the howto ;-)
[12:58] <Nightrose> hmm if you have a nice bt please send it my way
[12:58] <Nightrose> smarter: dito ;-)
[12:59] <apachelogger> fair enough, that bug seems random to me
[12:59] <apachelogger> smarter: hmmm, now why exactly do we care what trolls say? ;-)
[12:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pastebin and i will send it to daniel
[12:59] <Nightrose> do we? :P
[12:59] <smarter> apachelogger: because we willl not provide kde3?
[13:00] <apachelogger> because we just talked about folderview as containment :P
[13:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/29952/
[13:00] <Nightrose> thx
[13:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, do you get good reports from ubuntu packages? ;-)
[13:02] <Nightrose> yea - can't complain
[13:02] <apachelogger> all my work
[13:02]  * apachelogger loves his -dbg dependency ;-)
[13:02] <Nightrose> hehe
[13:02]  * Nightrose gives apachelogger a cookie
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: would you like me to resend kdeartwork ?
[13:03] <apachelogger> users don't though, yesterday someone sent me a mail whether I could lift the dep since he has to install 250 mib of dbg stuff
[13:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the backport please
[13:03] <apachelogger> changing intrepid myself right now
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> ok
[13:03]  * JontheEchidna had put it back to 4.0.98 because he is debuilding on his 4.0.98 machine
[13:05] <apachelogger> reasonable
[13:07] <apachelogger> yo yo yo Xand3r
[13:07] <apachelogger> sup?
[13:07] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hi
[13:09] <Xand3r> apachelogger: whats up?
[13:09]  * apachelogger is wondering why germans try answering questions with questions
[13:10] <Xand3r> apachelogger: dont know what "sup?" means
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> It means "what's up' in English slang
[13:12] <apachelogger> well, but as JontheEchidna put it yesterday "screw english"
[13:12]  * JontheEchidna is a ntive english speaker too :P
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> native, even
[13:12] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wie gehts?
[13:13] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i am fine, and you?
[13:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: total karp0tt von den feiereien gestern ;-) ... das waren auch noch mehrere
[13:13] <Jucato> "what's up" -> "wassup"/"wazzup" -> "sup"
[13:14] <Jucato> hm.. #kubuntu-devel-de? :)
[13:14] <smarter> wazzaaa :P
[13:14] <Jucato> heheh
[13:14] <Xand3r> apachelogger: wie mehrere?
[13:15] <Wubbbi> HEY! ... ich kann auch deutsch xD
[13:15] <Jucato> JontheEchidna: btw, installing kdebase-workspace-wallpapers and kdewallpapers-kde4 (which is from kdeartwork, it turns out), doesn't "fix" the issue I mentioned. Hardy KDE 4 PPA
[13:15] <apachelogger> Xand3r: zuerst wurde ich zu meinem bruder verschleppt wo ich nahrung aufnehmen durfte, dann ab in die bar, dann nachhause skype-bier-trinken, dann zu 2 freunden, um 7 nachhause ;-)
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> oh
[13:16] <apachelogger> Jucato: which issue?
[13:16] <Jucato> apachelogger: fresh install of Hardy KDE 4 Remix, upgrade to 4.1rc1 (PPA) -> no wallpaper (black desktop)
[13:16] <Xand3r> apachelogger: it sound like a realy nice day
[13:16] <Jucato> apachelogger: Blue Curls, the new default wallpaper is nowhere to be found it seems
[13:17] <Jucato> er.. singular Curl :)
[13:17] <apachelogger> Xand3r: hängt stark von der definition ab
[13:18] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wenn ich nach > 6 stunden schlaf noch so karp0tt bin dürfte es sehr ansträngend gewesen sein ;-)
[13:18] <Riddell> Jucato: try kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[13:18] <DRebellion> Hey, peoples! Could somebody take a look at my package in REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor I know it's not a KDE package, but I'm having a really hard time getting any MOTUs to advocate it.
[13:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't get fixed recently only?
[13:18] <apachelogger> in intrepid
[13:18] <Jucato> Riddell: I did. maybe it's not yet in PPA hardy?
[13:18] <apachelogger> Jucato: I would suppose so very much
[13:19] <Jucato> no worries. just pointing it out since it might cause a problem for hardy when 4.1 comes out
[13:19] <Jucato> (unless of course the user already has set a wallpaper in local config... so...)
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't think it got fixed in hardy
[13:20] <Jucato> right... my bad for being in hardy :P
[13:20]  * Jucato tried a fresh install of intrepid using a command line hardy install + upgrade to intrepid + install kubuntu-desktop (kde4)... X epic fails
[13:21] <Xand3r> i done an update for some minutes, now jockey dont work, http://paste.ubuntu.com/29956/
[13:23] <apachelogger> rebootin might help
[13:23] <apachelogger> then again
[13:23]  * apachelogger doesn't know anything about python :P
[13:23] <Jucato> reboot, reforat, reinstall?
[13:24] <Xand3r> apachelogger: some one told me reboting is a illnes from win
[13:24] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but i try it anyway
[13:24] <Xand3r> c ya
[13:40] <davmor2_lunch> Riddell: Adept is still not running from the update applet is this to do with kdesudo still or is it to do with adept itself do you know?
[13:41] <Riddell> davmor2: I don't know, I notice konsole from kde 3 doesn't seem to be installed which ought to be needed by adept
[13:42] <davmor2> can adept run without sudo?
[13:42] <davmor2> just to see if it starts
[13:43] <Riddell> no
[13:43] <davmor2> damn
[13:44] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i restarted and i read a red [fail],  somthing was not loaded, somthing with modul in it, how can i check what was not loaded?
[13:44] <apachelogger> sudo ksystemlog
[13:44] <Xand3r> ah
[13:44]  * apachelogger is wondering whether by default a bootlog is created
[13:45] <davmor2> sudo adept error sudo: adept: command not found
[13:46] <apachelogger> davmor2: adept_manager
[13:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: no there is no boot log
[13:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, look at the syslog then
[13:47] <Xand3r> so how i make such a thing, so long using kubuntu, everday i learn something new
[13:47] <apachelogger> or check the files in /var/log
[13:47] <davmor2> Riddell: apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/29962
[13:48] <apachelogger> Xand3r: /etc/default/bootlogd
[13:48] <apachelogger> I guess
[13:48] <Xand3r> ah
[13:48] <apachelogger> davmor2: known issue
[13:48] <apachelogger> adept will not start because it is missing kde3's konsole
[13:48]  * apachelogger moves out for some coffee
[13:48] <Wubbbi> Adept is garbage ... It sucks ^^
[13:49] <davmor2> Wubbbi: better than nothing (when it works anyway)
[13:49] <Xand3r> now rebooting
[13:51] <Wubbbi> devfil_: yes but synaptic is much better. It would be nice to have a Synaptic-QT4 as default
[13:52] <Wubbbi> Is it possible to create a Qt4-Synaptic?
[13:54] <Riddell> that's not sane
[13:54] <devfil_> Wubbbi: ?
[13:54] <Riddell> but we do need to decide between adept 2, adept 3 and kpackagekit at some point
[13:55] <davmor2> Riddell: I'd of said sooner rather than latter too :)
[13:56] <davmor2> is there a bug number for adept not working?
[13:57] <Riddell> davmor2: don't think so
[13:58] <davmor2> hmmm
[14:02] <davmor2> Riddell: okay I'll open one so it can be linked to the tracker then
[14:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger: where the bootlog will be stored?
[14:06] <devfil_> Riddell: you have uploaded koffice2 with 1.3 as revision numer
[14:06] <devfil_> *number
[14:09] <devfil_> Riddell: in my ppa I've uploaded it with 1.3 because ppa reject a package with the same version
[14:11] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 248727 sound familiar
[14:19]  * Xand3r reboot
[14:30] <Xand3r> i think i put hardy again on the laptop, intrepid is too unstable for my laptop
[14:30] <Xand3r> c ya
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do we want the kdeplasmoid/extragear-plasma dummy packages for the intrepid kdeplasma-addons?
[14:32]  * JontheEchidna notices that the lastest intrepid package doesn't have them
[14:34] <devfil_> Riddell: what about koffice2 revision number?
[14:35]  * Riddell in two meetings
[14:54] <Xand3r> apachelogger: for hardy there is amarok-kde4 and amarok2, are that the same things?
[15:08] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sending over kdeplasma-addons + backport, but my mailserver has a terminal case of the sucks
[15:08] <ncfi1013> is there anybody that can help me figure out how to get an ilo mp3 player to work in either windows or linux, to recognize the icon for the mp3 player the way that they both recognize an ipod?
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> Oh, there goes kdeplasma-addons
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> just waiting on the backport now
[15:21] <Xand3r> cmake dont know the command kde4_add_plugin, what can i do fo r solving the issue?
[15:23] <apachelogger> Xand3r: no
[15:23] <apachelogger> and about what app are you talking
[15:24] <Xand3r> apachelogger: about a plasmoid from the truhk
[15:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how does one configure media devices in a2?
[15:24] <Xand3r> *trunk
[15:24] <Xand3r> apachelogger: so what is amarok-kde4 ?
[15:24] <apachelogger> amarok-kde4 is the new amarok2 package
[15:25] <apachelogger> and the information isn't exactly informative
[15:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: not at all yet i think
[15:26] <apachelogger> why the heck does cmake check for that stuff then :P
[15:26] <Xand3r> apachelogger: tha nowplaying plasmoid from the trunk
[15:26]  * apachelogger is wondering how Xand3r got that
[15:27] <Xand3r> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/applets/nowplaying/
[15:27] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i got it with svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/applets/nowplaying/
[15:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/740-MTP-Incoming-and-Ipod-File-Deletion-Support.html
[15:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is a case of - oh, why don't I have that cool stuff
[15:28] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you have to compile kdeplasma-addons
[15:28]  * apachelogger would also very much appreciate it if Xand3r would ask such stuff in #kde
[15:29] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ask xevix please :)
[15:29] <Nightrose> i have no idea
[15:29] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ok thx, now joining #kde
[15:29]  * apachelogger is too shy to ask xevix
[15:29] <Nightrose> never used my player with amarok 2 yet
[15:30] <Nightrose> hehe
[15:30] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ^^ you and shy^^
[15:30]  * apachelogger is!
[15:31]  * Nightrose can confirm
[15:31] <Nightrose> ;-)
[15:34] <Xand3r> apachelogger: shuld i hold your hand?
[15:34] <apachelogger> nah
[15:34]  * apachelogger will juts wait until someone complains
[15:34] <apachelogger> it's not like I couldn't use rhythmbox :P
[15:36] <Xand3r> ^^
[15:43] <Wubbbi> Amarok 2 is still very crashy bashy :/
[15:43] <Wubbbi> ^^
[15:44] <Wubbbi> But I like the new designe much! Its perfect :D
[15:51]  * JontheEchidna has to go in a bit
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> My email is doing the "progress to arbitrary progress precentage then stop" thing again. :/
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: dirk remade the kdepim tar, make sure you got the right one af600e2c096e932b3b87cc2a8270fcf0  kdepim-4.1.0.tar.bz2
[16:32] <Riddell> devfil_: koffice2 version number is because I just copied it directly from your PPA
[16:33] <devfil_> Riddell: I see, is it wrong?
[16:33] <Riddell> nope
[16:33] <devfil_> ok
[16:34] <devfil_> however it seems to need additional deps from universe, how to fix this?
[16:34] <devfil_> can you add them manually?
[16:34] <Riddell> what deps?
[16:35] <Riddell> oh, hmm
[16:35] <Riddell> it put itself in main
[16:36] <Riddell> ok, I think I fixed that
[16:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: did he upload yet?
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: getting 5ccd9ca2bf92c0f94ac3b0bf5a5a1344  kdepim-4.1.0.tar.bz2
[16:46] <Riddell> hmm
[16:46] <Riddell> ah
[16:46] <Riddell> of course there was another bug in kdepim, updated tarball:
[16:46] <Riddell> 5ccd9ca2bf92c0f94ac3b0bf5a5a1344  kdepim-4.1.0.tar.bz2
[16:46] <Riddell> says dirk
[16:47] <apachelogger> perfect then :)
[16:56] <devfil__> Riddell: hmm, a copied package doesn't close the bugs indicated in the changelog?
[16:58] <yuriy> morning
[16:58] <devfil__> Riddell: also there isn't a description for koffice-kde4-dbg package
[16:58] <yuriy> any little thing to work on to take a break from wrestling evil web servers?
[17:02] <Riddell> yuriy: depends how little
[17:02] <yuriy> a half hour?
[17:03] <ScottK> yuriy: Triaging some kde-guidance bugs over to guidance-power-manager?
[17:03] <yuriy> little dev/packaging thing?
[17:03] <ScottK> Bah.
[17:04] <Riddell> yuriy: ask apachelogger about packaging a 4.1 module?
[17:06] <davmor2> Riddell: I don't think oem mode is working on kubuntu :(  you hit prepare for shipping to e... and nothing happens
[17:06] <Riddell> kdesudo maybre
[17:14] <Nightrose> apachelogger: can you look into kde 3 programs starting the kde 4 version please? it is really starting to annoy me :(
[17:22] <Xand3r> c ya
[18:30] <davmor2> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30029/  I'd say that was a fail wouldn't you :)
[18:35] <davmor2> Riddell: there is also http://paste.ubuntu.com/30033 too.
[18:36] <davmor2> 29 was before click on ok in the dialogue box and 33 was the result after
[18:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: whats the problem?
[18:40] <Nightrose> apachelogger: starting kde 3 apps from kickoff or krunner starts their kde 4 version if availible
[18:40] <Nightrose> happens since rc1
[18:40] <Nightrose> i can still start them from command line
[18:41] <Nightrose> happens for kate, konqueror, kwrite, ark at least
[18:41] <Nightrose> probably others as well
[18:41] <apachelogger> happens to all of them
[18:41] <Nightrose> has been confirmed by others
[19:09] <devfil__> Riddell: dpkg: error processing /home/buildd/build-675889-1692463/chroot-autobuild/var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs4-dev_4%3a3.5.9.dfsg.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[19:09] <devfil__>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/preparetips', which is also in package kdesdk-scripts
[19:14]  * apachelogger hands Mez a stone for not having it fixed yet
[19:24] <Riddell> hum, that really should have a replaces
[19:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[19:25] <apachelogger> kdelibs4-dev depends on kdesdk-scripts
[19:26] <apachelogger> so probably removing the binary from the -dev should be enough
[19:34] <Riddell> that too
[19:40] <devfil__> Riddell: what I should do?
[19:41] <devfil__> Riddell: maybe we can call the binary with another name
[19:44] <Riddell> it needs moved out of kdelibs
[19:44] <apachelogger> +1
[19:44] <devfil__> Riddell: ok, it is simple to do
[19:45] <Riddell> it's because of the rosetta support, kdelibs needs preparetips to build now
[19:46] <devfil__> but it is in kdesdk-scripts and kdesdk-scripts contains it
[19:46] <Riddell> it does now
[19:46] <devfil__> yes
[19:51] <devfil__> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30051/
[19:51] <Riddell> looks good
[19:52] <devfil__> Riddell: wait a second
[19:52] <devfil__> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30052/
[19:52] <devfil__> adjusted an error in the changelog
[19:53] <devfil__> uhm no -.-'
[19:53] <devfil__> yes yes
[19:53] <devfil__> it is ok
[20:37] <devfil__> Riddell: please upload it so is possible to install the package
[21:37] <vorian> afternoon!
[21:38] <jpds> afternoon.
[21:38] <vorian> how are things?
[21:38] <dlee> afternoon
[21:39] <jpds> Hot.
[21:39] <vorian> that stinketh
[21:41] <nixternal> everything is stinketh this afternoon
[21:41] <vorian> that really stinketh
[21:42] <vorian> jpds: if you have a moment, can you check out de darkroom?
[21:42] <jpds> vorian: "The dark room" ?
[21:43] <vorian> no, darkroom
[21:43] <vorian> i've a bit o' the stupid today
[21:43]  * jpds was just joking ;-)
[21:44] <vorian> :'(
[21:44] <vorian> see, told ya
[21:45] <smarter>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgeneral
[21:45] <vorian> smarter: is that for -workspace?
[21:45] <smarter> yep
[21:45] <vorian> i noticed you said ftbfs
[21:46] <smarter> and I don't understand why :/
[21:46] <smarter> no libgeneral here
[21:46] <smarter> maybe cmake 2.6 does some weird things?
[21:46] <vorian> all the compiling tools were updated yesterday
[21:46] <jpds> vorian: Package looks good now.
[21:47] <vorian> jpds: upstream was very responsive
[21:47] <vorian> which is tres coolio
[21:48] <jpds> Always.
[21:48] <vorian> smarter: http://lists-archives.org/kde-devel/15416-build-error-linking-lgeneral.html
[21:49] <smarter> vore: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:36:21 +0100 :/
[21:49] <vorian> hmph
[22:03] <smarter> vorian: you built kdelibs right?
[22:04] <smarter> can you install your debs and pastebin the output of grep general /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/KDELibsDependenciesInternal.cmake ?
[22:09] <vorian> smarter: would you rather me send you the debs so you can debuild it?
[22:10] <smarter> it's 11 PM here, maybe tomorrow ;)
[22:10] <vorian> or I can give it a try, since I'm warming up
[22:10] <smarter> go ahead
[22:11] <vorian> roger
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what's the "online" status at the batcave?
[22:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uploaded
[22:47] <apachelogger> to the main directory
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> aah
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> the secret directory
[22:47] <apachelogger> righto
[22:48] <vorian> yipppe
[22:48] <vorian> pim's almost ready
[22:49] <vorian> then i'll get kdebase-workspace sorted
[22:55] <smarter> apachelogger: howdy
[22:55] <apachelogger> hoy smarter
[23:04] <Riddell> anyone able to test alpha candidate CDs in an hour?
[23:13] <smarter> 'night everyone
[23:15] <vorian> nn smarter
[23:16] <Riddell> devfil: can't upload, still frozen until alpha 3 is out
[23:17] <devfil> Riddell: ouch! I can't build a package without it
[23:17] <Riddell> why not?  just force the install
[23:17] <devfil> Riddell: ? how?
[23:18] <Riddell> ppf
[23:18] <Riddell> --force-overwrite
[23:18] <devfil> Riddell: on pbuilder?
[23:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: cd testing within an hour, or starting in an hour?
[23:37] <apachelogger> vorian: kdelibs ftbfs for me
[23:37] <apachelogger> dh_install -pkdelibs5-data --sourcedir=debian/tmp
[23:37] <apachelogger> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax/ddoc.xml': No such file or directory
[23:38] <vorian> erwha!
[23:39] <apachelogger> wooha
[23:39] <vorian> ok, i'll fix it directly
[23:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that crash I was taking about earlier is quite reproducable
[23:39] <apachelogger> apparently one needs to close amarok, upon restart dynamic pl won't work
[23:39] <Nightrose> apachelogger: already send it to Daniel - hope he will have a look at it
[23:40] <apachelogger> then repop -> off and voilà
[23:42] <vorian> apachelogger: can you run dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing and see what else is missing?
[23:42] <vorian> if anything
[23:42] <vorian> i thought I got everything
[23:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: starting in an hour (hopefully less now)
[23:43] <vorian> Riddell: i'll be able to test it
[23:43] <Riddell> great
[23:44] <Riddell> 23:43 < slangasek> eta 25min for kubuntu
[23:44] <vorian> wooo hooo
[23:44] <Riddell> vorian: amd64 or i386 or both?
[23:44] <vorian> i can do both if needed
[23:45] <vorian> my prefrence is amd64
[23:46] <apachelogger> vorian: cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/script/libkrossqtsplugin.so.4.2.0': No such file or directory
[23:46] <apachelogger> did you actually testbuild? Oo
[23:47] <vorian> yes
[23:47] <vorian> i have the debs to prove it :/
[23:47] <apachelogger> something is defenitely wrong here
[23:48] <vorian> nooooo
[23:49] <apachelogger> oh righto
[23:49]  * apachelogger smacks vorian
[23:50] <apachelogger> so.4.2.0
[23:50] <apachelogger> that is pretty wrongish
[23:50] <apachelogger> -.-
[23:50] <apachelogger> so much for the testbuilding :P
[23:51]  * apachelogger finds that strange though
[23:51] <vorian> what's that?
[23:51] <apachelogger> soversion 4.2
[23:51] <vorian> they replace so.4.1.0 files
[23:51] <vorian> is that not correct?
[23:51] <apachelogger> ohh
[23:51] <apachelogger> vorian: did you package that against your snapshot?
[23:51] <apachelogger> if so did you snapshot trunk or the 4.1 branch ;-)
[23:51] <vorian> no, yours
[23:52] <vorian> ah shizzzel
[23:52] <vorian> i may have
[23:52] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:52] <vorian> let me check against your tarball
[23:52] <Riddell> vorian: join #ubuntu-release and have slangasek tell you when they're ready
[23:53] <Riddell> I'm not feeling well and need to sleep I'm afraid
[23:53] <vorian> done
[23:55] <vorian> apachelogger: i need a fresh tarball
[23:55] <apachelogger> forget about it
[23:56] <vorian> :/
[23:56]  * apachelogger fixed it
[23:56] <vorian> sorry to fail you
[23:56] <vorian> i forgot i had that snapshot
[23:56] <apachelogger> well, good thing I tested it, right :)
[23:56] <vorian> hell yes
[23:57] <apachelogger> but using the wrong branch happens sometimes, nothing to worry about that
[23:58] <vorian> ok then, onto kdebase-workspace


 My interview on asknoahshow.com will air soon, and the podcast is live, go listen!
[04:10]  * tsimonq2 EODs
[21:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3, @teward001, @kc2bez, wxl, guiverc: What are we thinking for a task management solution? Is the Phab fork going to accomplish that, or are we looking for something more? I propose an esoteric CLI application in a Git repository. :P
[21:15] <tsimonq2> I mean, we could still use Etherpad.
[21:15] <tsimonq2> Would just be nice to explicitly prioritize Things with tags.
[21:15]  * guiverc isn't fussed.
[21:16] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:16] <arraybolt3> I figured Phorge would do it?
[21:16] <arraybolt3> I'm fighting for my life in a sea of Python dragons so I may be a bit #TiedUp for a while
[21:20] <wxl> is there some reason to think that phorge isn't going to be sufficient?
 I like the thought of phorge.
 This actually has more awesome community content than Ask Noah!

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[07:13] <uhhimhere> how do i check if I have a usb OTG capable device?
[09:19] <cpyarger> has anyone ported utopic or vivid for the maguro, toro?
[09:41] <uhhimhere> hi guys how do i turn off the splash screen on my android phone so that I can see all the bootup messages?
[12:46] <Ozymandias42> hi. is anyone here with experience with the HP Stream 7 ?
[13:24] <timocov> Hello everybody. Where I can see builds?
[13:25] <ogra_> with the --show-image option to ubuntu-device-flash you can see the images for a specific device and channel
[13:55] <taiebot> Hi all i am going to report that 3g does not work anymore on mako vivid r87 but does anyone confirm? There is also in the apn section in system settings carrier. if you enter and exit constantly the APN section you add one entry any time you re-enter http://i.imgur.com/i0F7TZR.png
[13:59] <sturmflut> taiebot: Looks like a case for a bug report, yes. I can't confirm since the SIM in my mako is not 3G enabled
[14:26] <sturmflut> Hm. I managed to get WhatsApp Web working as an Ubuntu Touch Web App, but does anybody know if it is "legal" to do so? WhatsApp is known to block users who are using third-party apps.
[14:27] <Stskeepz> generic advice is not to name whatever you've made *whatsapp*.. that seems to go south quite quickly for many
[14:27] <sturmflut> Stskeepz: Jep
[14:27] <taiebot1> sturmflut that would not be a third party app as it is developped by whats app..
[14:28] <cwayne> yeah but whatsapp doesn't appear to be a particularly rational company, wouldnt be surprised if they blocked it
[14:29] <sturmflut> cwayne: In this case it would be quite hard to even find out if you used the app or not. It is just a browser shell with a faked user agent string. From outside it looks like I am opening https://web.whatsapp.com/ with Google Chrome.
[14:30] <sturmflut> cwayne: But you're perfectly right
[14:30] <cwayne> right, that may be okay then.. just always paranoid with them :)
[14:31] <cwayne> which pisses me off btw, they're kinda like the anti-ubuntu/oss
[14:31] <sturmflut> Jep. Personally I hate them, but people are going to want WhatsApp when the phones ship. Which is in seven days.
[14:33] <cwayne> yes and yes
[14:33] <cwayne> :)
[14:33] <sturmflut> Maybe it's better to not publish the WebApp and wait until WhatsApp Web supports other browsers than Google Chrome. Then people can just use the built-in browser.
[14:35] <taiebot1> sturmflut that does not make any sense because they would not support oxide. so why waiting?
[14:36] <sturmflut> taiebot1: I don't know their plans. Maybe they'll distinguish by user agent, then Oxide will never be supported. Or they just accept all browsers and detect the available capabilities. Both ways are possible.
[14:42] <sturmflut> taiebot1: Wrapping WhatsApp Web in Oxide has its limitations anyway. You can chat and send existing files, but the camera and the microphone don't work and you don't get any push notifications. It also crashed a couple of times already.
[14:43] <taiebot1> sturmflut: realised also that you will need an existing account with another phone also.
[14:43] <sturmflut> taiebot1: Jep, you have to authenticate the Web version against an existing app installation on an existing phone. Using a QR code.
[14:51] <sturmflut> I think the major problem is that we don't have a single alternative messenger app. No Threema, no Telegram, no Jabber, nothing. There was a project to port Telegram but it hasn't been updated for a year.
[14:52] <sturmflut> Does the Facebook WebApp support chats?
[14:54] <cwayne> sturmflut there's webogram
[14:54] <cwayne> which is telegram
[14:54] <sturmflut> cwayne: Right, my fault
[14:55] <sturmflut> And DTelegram, which seems to be the same
[14:57] <cwayne> but yeah, your point remains valid
[15:10] <taiebot1> sturmflut http://andregarzia.com/posts/en/whatsappdoesntunderstandtheweb/
[15:13] <taiebot1> So it also needs another phone connected to the internet to work .. =-O
[15:17] <sturmflut> taiebot1: Haha yes, my phone was online all the time, I didn't even notice that the webapp does no longer work if I take the phone offline
[15:19] <taiebot1> sturmflut i do not think its worth a webapp will make a lot of people think it can connect to whats app while it cannot
[15:19] <sturmflut> taiebot1: Yep
[15:20] <cwayne> god i hate whatsapp
[15:21] <cwayne> i really dont get why its so popular
[15:25] <sturmflut> cwayne: It was one of the first apps of this kind, it was free for the first year, the registration process was extremely simple (there was none) and it just worked
[15:26] <cwayne> first of its kind? isn't it just xmpp (slightly altered)
[15:27] <sturmflut> cwayne: Jep, like Facebook Chat.
[15:30] <sturmflut> cwayne: It is just a question of marketing and design. If XMPP was as easy to set up as WhatsApp is, and was openly marketed as an SMS/MS replacement, maybe WhatsApp would have never been developed.
[15:31] <cwayne> right
[15:31] <cwayne> and the world would be a better place :P
[15:46] <vik> does anyone knows where to edit persistent adb settings for ubuntu touch ? and where to put adb_keys ? thanks
[15:46] <vik> (touchscreen broken...)
[15:49] <sturmflut> vik: Hmmmm, good question.
[15:50] <vik> I've fiddled yesterday with this and found some files lije persist.radio.adb_log_on in /data/android-data/property
[15:50] <vik> (added needed files, does not work)
[15:51] <vik> i've fiddled with default.prop
[15:51] <vik> and build.prop in system
[15:51] <vik> does not work either
[15:51] <vik> i've made a find . -name "*.build" and etc
[15:51] <vik> erm *.prop
[15:52] <vik> but I'm running out of idead
[15:52] <vik> I tried to run a usb mouse in OTG with a custom Y adapter for powering everything
[15:52] <vik> but seems that nexus4 rom does not have otg enabled
[15:52] <vik> or that mouse does not work on welcome screen
[15:55] <vik> basically the only thing I want to do is activate ssh and connect to my wifi network
[15:55] <vik> but for this I think adb shell is mandatory
[16:21] <studio_> hi
[16:22] <studio_> someone here or only bots?
[16:25] <studio_> nobody here?
[16:32] <studio_> what kernel is ubuntu-touch using?
[16:35] <studio_> hmmm ....
[17:03] <studio_> hello?
[17:31] <studio_> come on, why i get no answer here?
[17:40] <skweek> studio_, whats up
[17:42] <skweek> my kernal version?
[17:42] <studio_> yes
[17:42] <skweek> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:43] <studio_> i dont't know, therefore i asked
[17:44] <studio_> i am looking for a new kernel for the bq Aquaris E4.5
[17:44] <skweek> i'd like to try touch on this device
[17:45] <studio_> i don't understand, are you still using ubuntu-touch?
[17:46] <skweek> i'm not, I have ubuntu installed on a tablet pc that disconnects from the keyboard to turn into a slate touch screen
[17:48] <studio_> sorry for my english, you are still running Ubuntu-Touch on a tablet?
[17:49] <skweek> I never have but I would love to try and see if it were better and more suited for this device lenovo miix 2 11.6 http://goo.gl/qM0b7L
[17:53] <studio_> @skweek this is not an embedded device ... i need help for a bq Aquaris E4.5
[17:55] <skweek> hmm
[17:56] <skweek> sorry
[17:57] <studio_> @skweek why do you not install the "normal" ubuntu?
[18:00] <skweek> I have, the touch screen support is fairly limited
[21:55] <zmaj_> can't wait for the bq phone launch next week :D
[23:33] <adrian47> Hello, this line: "mount --move /android-system ${rootmnt}/android/system" from touch script did not work for me, what can i do?
[23:34] <adrian47> android.img is properly mounted at /android-system but moving didn't work


[04:17] <RAOF> What's the shiny new way to get gpg-agent handling ssh-agent duties and disabling gnome-keyring's ssh-agent?
[04:34] <jbicha> RAOF: the second part, disabling gnome-keyring's ssh handling should be as simple as unchecking it in gnome-sesion-properties
[04:35] <jbicha> but it looks like gnome-session-properties doesn't know how to handle our "ubuntu:GNOME" session, it sees OnlyShowIn-GNOME … etc and doesn't show since it's not exactly GNOME
[04:36] <jbicha> gnome-session-properties is unique to Ubuntu; upstream dropped it years ago
[05:26] <jibel> morning
[05:32] <didrocks> good morning
[05:38] <jibel> salut didrocks
[05:38] <didrocks> bon week-end jibel ?
[05:38] <jibel> didrocks, ça a été et toi?
[05:39] <didrocks> oui oui, très bien :)
[06:20] <duflu> Good morning Europe
[06:20] <duflu> Welcome to Eurovision
[06:20] <duflu> I mean, Monday
[06:21] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:21] <duflu> Hey didrocks... that font issue is very hard to see. But I made a screenshot in the end
[06:23] <duflu> Oh!
[06:23] <duflu> didrocks, run 'weston-info' and it reports 'subpixel_orientation: unknown', which is the same problem we had in Mir
[06:23] <duflu> Hence it will default to greyscale
[06:25] <duflu> The 'unknown' is coming from libdrm, which is coming from the kernel
[06:25] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:25] <duflu> Hi seb128
[06:25] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you? had a good w.e?
[06:26] <duflu> Yeah going OK. Weekend was too short to keep up with life in general. You?
[06:27] <didrocks> duflu: with the new theme (coming today), you will see it way more easily
[06:27] <duflu> Cool
[06:28] <duflu> I think
[06:28] <duflu> didrocks, does weston-info report unknown for you too?
[06:28] <duflu> seb128, Yeah going OK. Weekend was too short to keep up with life in general. You?
[06:28] <seb128> w.e was good, nice weather, managed to catch up on sleep and relax
[06:28] <duflu> Perfect
[06:32] <didrocks> duflu: indeed, it does
[06:32] <didrocks> but only for my external monitor
[06:32] <didrocks> which doesn't display the panel
[06:32] <duflu> didrocks, yeah I suspect the font rendering code is identical between X and Wayland. Only the parameters (known subpixel order etc) are different
[06:32] <didrocks> the one displaying the panel has:
[06:32] <didrocks>         subpixel_orientation: horizontal rgb, output_transform: normal,
[06:33] <duflu> didrocks, same - I have external monitors only here
[06:37] <duflu> I suspect either Xorg guesses HRGB, or the Xorg drivers are more capable at retrieving the subpixel order (from EDID?), or the Xorg drivers also just guess
[06:38] <duflu> Guessing HRGB would usually be correct
[06:43] <flexiondotorg> Morning duflu didrocks seb128
[06:45] <duflu> Hi flexiondotorg
[06:47] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[07:52] <Tribaal> hi all! Looks like I lost my gnome session login capability this morning (libmutter segfaults, AFAICT). Is that a known issue? How can I help?
[07:53] <Tribaal> dmesg has https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25463848/
[07:56] <Tribaal> and syslog doesn't help much more (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25463865/). I'm on 17.10, up-to-date as of this morning
[07:57] <didrocks> Tribaal: yeah, known issue, it's fixed in mutter master. jbicha will either do an update with .92 or a snapshot IIRC
[07:57] <Tribaal> didrocks: ok, thanks a lot. Then I guess I'll work on i3 this morning :p
[08:03] <Laney> ahoy
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:04] <didrocks> how was your week-end?
[08:08] <Laney> hey didrocks!!!!
[08:08] <Laney> it was most enjoyable
[08:09] <Laney> went swimming in the river on saturday, and then yesterday an architecture tour by bike followed by climbing
[08:09] <Laney> you?
[08:13] <didrocks> sounds nice! We just went from some walks, which were nice :)
[08:22] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:22] <seb128> didrocks, Tribaal, jbicha did that snapshot this w.e but if you get a new segfault today maybe it's a regression in the snapshot?
[08:22] <seb128> Tribaal, what version of the lib do you have?
[08:24] <Tribaal> seb128: 3.25.91+20170902~ce515c5-1ubuntu1 (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25463935/)
[08:24] <seb128> so yeah it's the snapshot
[08:25] <seb128> Tribaal, would be useful to report the bug using apport if you have a report in /var/crash
[08:26] <pitti> bonjour tout le monde ! /me retourne au travail après 3 semaines de vacances :)
[08:27] <seb128> salut pitti, comment ça va ? tu as passé de bonnes vacances ?
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: oui, merci, c'était très bien !
[08:29] <Tribaal> seb128: no report in /var/crash :/
[08:30]  * Tribaal tries to re-login
[08:30] <didrocks> seb128: are you sure it was a snapshot? I skimmed over the changelog quickly and didn't find a ref to it
[08:30] <didrocks> but didn't check the git hash
[08:30] <didrocks> hey pitti! Sounds like your trip was really nice :)
[08:31] <pitti> didrocks: indeed it was; we've seen a loooot, it was quite intense; I'm glad I wrote a diary and sorted/tagged the photos right away every day :)
[08:32] <seb128> didrocks, changelog has "  * New upstream git snapshot (LP: #1714330)"
[08:33] <Tribaal> seb128: yeah, nothing in /var/crash
[08:33] <seb128> weird
[08:33] <didrocks> seb128: ah, I was expecting to see an explicit line about it :)
[08:33] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, doesn't seems something you want to tackle post-holidays :)
[08:34] <seb128> didrocks, it's one, but it's not in the top changelog entry since he did the snapshot to debian and then remerged/uploaded to ubuntu on top
[08:35] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:35] <Laney> what's up
[08:35] <seb128> it's monday!
[08:35] <seb128> grey monday after a sunny w.e
[08:36] <Laney> you should be a poet
[08:36] <seb128> :p
[08:37] <seb128> pitti, I just looked at your photos, seems like a fun trip you had :-)
[09:08] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[09:16] <seb128> suspend on lid close is so annoying
[09:16] <seb128> and hexchat reconnecting after resume is as well
[09:20] <seb128> Laney, you might know that, what helper script do we use for missing codecs install? (or what binary is needed for that to work)
[09:22] <Laney> gstreamer-codec-install (gstreamer1.0-packagekit)
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, thanks, the reporter from bug #1711067 seems to have it missing
[09:23] <Laney> that should be seeded
[09:23] <Laney> maybe I forgot to do it
[09:24] <seb128> it's not in the manifest
[09:24] <Laney> ok, let me add it
[09:24] <seb128> thanks
[09:24] <Laney> it'll need promoting please
[09:24] <seb128> sure
[09:25] <seb128> Laney, promoted
[09:25] <duflu> seb128, BTW totem/gstreamer's container support is poor even when it is installed. I strongly recommend native mpv instead, or native ffmpeg players like mplayer, vlc etc
[09:25] <Laney> thanks!
[09:26] <seb128> duflu, what do you mean "container"?
[09:26] <duflu> seb128, those file extensions
[09:26] <seb128> gstreamer should handle those no?
[09:26] <duflu> seb128, should yes, but it's very buggy
[09:26] <seb128> :-/
[09:26] <duflu> best to use ffmpeg-based apps instead
[09:27] <seb128> well we can't default to ffmpeg bases player for codec/patent reasons
[09:27] <duflu> I know
[09:27] <duflu> I know so well :/
[09:27] <seb128> so it's still worth trying to make the totem experience as good as we can
[09:27] <seb128> but yeah thanks for pointing out that other players do a better job :-)
[09:27] <duflu> seb128, yeah I am. But wonder how many more weeks I should devote to totem
[09:28] <seb128> what else would you work on if you stopped focussing on totem?
[09:29] <duflu> seb128, medium term I would look into libinput
[09:30] <seb128> duflu, what totem issues do you work on atm? the clutter refreshing the UI elements when it shouldn't?
[09:30] <duflu> seb128, yeah just that at the moment, but other apps like gnome-apps benefit from the same fixes. I'll write it up in the report tomorrow
[09:30] <duflu> like gnome-maps
[09:31] <seb128> yeah, I saw that
[09:31] <seb128> well anyway feel free to move to improve libinput if you think it would be more beneficial overall
[09:31] <seb128> totem seems to be in a good enough shape after all the work you put this cycle
[09:31] <duflu> seb128, interestingly it seems clutter-gtk is better at embeded GL than the GTK GL widget
[09:32] <seb128> they are fixing things for gtk4
[09:33] <duflu> Newer isn't always better. The issue I'm working on now is actually a regression introduced in 2009
[09:33] <duflu> Just nobody noticed for a while
[09:33] <seb128> right, I saw the bug comments
[09:34] <seb128> we did stay away from clutter in Ubuntu default install for a while
[09:34] <duflu> seb128, anyway, I hope to come up with multiple apps improved and new knowledge to fix more apps/shell in future
[09:34] <seb128> but yeah, shame that nobody noticed at the time it was added
[09:34] <duflu> The learning is valuable
[09:34] <seb128> that's the right spirit :-)
[09:38] <duflu> seb128, in _theory_ totem could get the same file support as ffmpeg if we omitted all software plugins other than gstreamer-libav. That should replace them all with ffmpeg
[09:38] <seb128> right
[09:39] <seb128> andyrock, hey, I think bug #1714489 is for you
[09:40] <Laney> is it intentional that you can't disable the default-enabled extensions?
[09:40] <duflu> seb128, if Marco comes on later, or someone else, it's worth noting there's still a lingering regression from the Gnome 3.25 update: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1714295
[09:40] <andyrock> seb128: I'll take a look
[09:41] <seb128> andyrock, thanks
[09:41] <seb128> duflu, jbicha knows about the issue I think
[09:41] <duflu> Cool. But of course he does
[09:44] <andyrock> seb128: sorry about that. I actually read somewhere in the gettext docs that this was allowed
[09:44] <andyrock> maybe it's allowed on the python-side but not on lp
[09:45] <seb128> could be
[09:52] <andyrock> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/update-manager/fix-1714489/+merge/330150
[09:53] <seb128> andyrock, it might be worth reporting a bug against launchpad still
[09:54] <andyrock> let me check if update-notifier presents the same problem
[09:55] <andyrock> mmm nope
[09:56] <andyrock> https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/update-notifier/ngettext-livepatch/+merge/329982
[09:56] <andyrock> seb128: I'm wondering if this one is going to create the same problem
[09:57] <andyrock> better ask #ubuntu-translators
[10:00] <seb128> andyrock, or #launchpad
[10:00] <duflu> seb128, I missed that part of history - what was wrong with clutter in the past?
[10:00] <duflu> Just performance?
[10:01] <seb128> yeah, it was buggy and not performant for a long time
[10:01] <duflu> Well, I'm not seeing proof that's totally resolved but will get to the bottom of it :)
[10:02] <seb128> thanks
[10:02] <seb128> andyrock, in that case you don't have a number though so the syntax seems to make sense to me
[10:03] <duflu> Interesting they use frame clocks similar to my final work on Mir
[10:04] <andyrock> seb128: mmm not sure lp/gettext is smart enough to parse the string and realize if there is a number or not
[10:09] <seb128> andyrock, well ngettext should have singular/plural strings
[10:10] <seb128> "
[10:10] <seb128> It is also possible to use this function when the strings don’t contain a cardinal number:
[10:10] <seb128> puts (ngettext ("Delete the selected file?",
[10:10] <seb128>                 "Delete the selected files?",
[10:10] <seb128>                 n));
[10:10] <seb128> In this case the number n is only used to choose the plural form. "
[10:10] <seb128> but yeah unsure if you can use the argument for only one of the two variants
[10:11] <andyrock> before merging the suggested fix let me experiment a little bit
[10:14] <andyrock> seb128:  also becuase the fix is wrong
[10:16] <seb128> ah?
[10:24] <seb128> hum
[10:25] <seb128> did that maintenance on the mailing lists made @-desktop get the moderation emails sent to the list?
[10:25] <duflu> OK, dinner time. If someone could push bug 1709166 along that would be great :)
[10:26] <seb128> duflu, enjoy
[10:26] <seb128> I'm going to try to have a look to that one
[10:27] <seb128> I was sort of hopping somebody else would do some sponsoring but that doesn't seem to happen atm
[10:40] <jbicha> good morning
[10:52] <amano> jbicha, filed the gnome-games ffe as requested. And did some bubblewrap crusading.
[10:52] <k_alam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1714876
[10:52] <jbicha> the Release Team isn't the blocker for bubblewrap, it's the Security Team
[10:53] <jbicha> but as of today gnome-desktop doesn't work with bublewrap, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/785963 ( I haven't tried the suggested patch there yet )
[10:57] <jbicha> seb128: I think this diff isn't worth keeping any more: https://patches.ubuntu.com/libg/libgnome/libgnome_2.32.1-5ubuntu1.patch
[10:58] <amano> (always heartwarming to read hadess' subtle comments on bug trackers)
[10:59] <seb128> jbicha, or looking at it the other way it's not important enough that it needs to be changed, that delta can stay there in state
[11:01] <jbicha> it's less work to sync than to merge and it's unclear to me that the Ubuntu diff is even right or that we even care that much about libgnome now
[11:02] <seb128> it's even less work to not sync, merge or change it since it's deprecated and doesn't need any work :-)
[11:03] <seb128> you should better focus on trying to resolve those gnome-shell 3.25 update issues that spend efforts on past libs...
[11:03] <seb128> but anyway, if you want to sync it and keep an eye for potential fallout that's fine with me
[11:11] <jbicha> seb128: it ftbfs
[11:12] <jbicha> I did the mutter git snapshot as requested although it might need libgudev to be hinted through artful-proposed to fix the bug
[11:12] <seb128> thanks for that
[11:13] <seb128> need to drop offline for a bit for testing and lunch, bbl
[11:13] <jbicha> s390x is holding up artful migrations
[11:13] <seb128> :-/
[11:13] <Laney> not any more
[11:13] <seb128> #debian-gnome backlog suggests the update still has issues
[11:13] <seb128> as does the log from here earlier
[11:14] <seb128> Tribaal couldn't log in
[11:14] <seb128> brb
[11:14] <Tribaal> Yeah, libmutter segfaults here
[11:15] <Tribaal> (and no /var/crash entry unfortunately)
[11:27] <Trevinho> seb128: hey seb... Sorry I had to leave my car to the repair shop. And it took more than expected 😑
[11:28] <Trevinho> Other than that they will not fix it soon...
[12:43] <jbicha> I've delayed adding e-d-s's installed-tests to its autopkgtest because it's flaky but it doesn't seem too bad in Debian so let's see
[12:43] <jbicha> https://ci.debian.net/packages/e/evolution-data-server/unstable/amd64/
[13:05] <amano> jbicha, hadess just commited a thumbnailing fix to gnome-desktop upstream
[13:06] <seb128> amano, that doesn't change the fact that the new component needs security review/mir which is not likely to be this cycle
[13:07] <amano> :/
[13:10] <jbicha> amano: don't be too sad, we still have new libseccomp hardening. (But those commits don't fix the Debian/Ubuntu bubblewrap issue)
[13:30] <andyrock> seb128: I asked on #launchpad
[13:30] <andyrock> they said that that the change with update-notifier should work
[13:31] <andyrock> if there will be the same problems with the translations
[13:31] <andyrock> it's launchpad fault
[13:32] <seb128> andyrock, if it's launchpad fault do they plan to fix it?
[13:35] <andyrock> cjwatson seb128 I think so, otherwise I'll just change it to "1 livepa...
[13:35] <seb128> k
[13:35] <andyrock> should I go with "1..."
[13:35] <andyrock> ?
[13:36] <seb128> what is 1? what you currently have?
[13:37] <andyrock> A Livepatch update
[13:37] <andyrock> in other places we have "1 livepatch update"
[13:37] <seb128> sorry I don't follow
[13:38] <seb128> 1 is A?
[13:38] <seb128> can you pastebin what you suggest using?
[13:38] <seb128> that's probably easier :-)
[13:38] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rqjxEK3e/
[13:43] <andyrock> seb128: ^^^
[13:43] <seb128> andyrock, right, that one should work for sure
[13:43] <andyrock> kk I'll update the branch right now
[13:43] <seb128> thanks
[13:50] <andyrock> seb128: I've been also working on dash-to-dock notification badges  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wMWPc5Vo/badge_small.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WfSztWrQ/badge_normal.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IDabQktv/badge_big.png
[13:51] <seb128> andyrock, nice! is that just visuals or is that connected to some backend already?
[13:51] <andyrock> it's in css the graphic so should be themable (colors, shape, etc.)
[13:51] <andyrock> i'm wokring on the backend
[13:52] <seb128> great
[13:52] <andyrock> using UnityAPI Launcher
[13:52] <seb128> is that what Trevinho recommended?
[13:52] <andyrock> seems like it became "the standard"
[13:52] <andyrock> it's what we were using
[13:52] <seb128> I don't remember now, he said there was a launcher one which was not unity specific?
[13:52] <seb128> great
[13:52] <andyrock> plank is using the same
[13:52] <seb128> just a name change iirc right?
[13:53] <andyrock> we can keep the name
[13:53] <andyrock> if we don't want to update all the application using
[13:53] <andyrock> or we can support multiple names
[13:53] <andyrock> I would suggest to at least support the old name
[14:00] <andyrock> looks like plasma supports the API too
[14:00] <andyrock> cairo-dock
[14:00] <andyrock> etc.
[14:00] <seb128> great
[14:10] <apw> didrocks, hey ... it is right that the pre-enabled ubuntu-dock/indicator extensions do not appear as enabled in gnome-tweak, and cannot be switched off ?
[14:14] <amano> I think that's the intended behaviour. Just apt purge them
[14:15] <andyrock> it looks buggy
[14:16] <andyrock> I guess it's gnome-tweaks-tool that fails to deal with them
[14:18] <jbicha> yes, GNOME Tweaks can't handle GNOME Shell mode extensions but we think that may be more of a GNOME Shell bug
[14:19] <jbicha> also, I don't think GNOME Shell supports disabling mode-enabled extensions
[14:27] <tjaalton> hum, after upgrade gdm runs X and logins fail
[14:28] <seb128> tjaalton, what gdm version do you have?
[14:28] <jbicha> tjaalton: when was the last time you had restarted after upgrade? is this your first time with gnome-shell 3.25.91?
[14:28] <tjaalton> <IP_ADDRESS>-0u2
[14:28] <tjaalton> been a while, maybe a week or more
[14:29] <jbicha> does the systemd journal give you interesting errors?
[14:30] <tjaalton> not that I can see
[14:33] <tjaalton> ah, nevermind
[14:38] <tjaalton> nope, it's still failing for my user, gnome-shell segfaults
[14:38] <tjaalton> gdm is fine now
[14:45] <jbicha> can you chck the journal again?
[14:46] <jbicha> for instance I had https://bugzilla.gnome.org/786660 but apparently it's rare since I haven't heard any one else mention it
[14:52] <tjaalton> segfault in libmutter
[14:55] <tjaalton> _cogl_onscreen_free assertion fail
[14:58] <tjaalton> huh, and now it works
[14:58] <tjaalton> after a reboot'
[14:58] <tjaalton> go figure
[15:08] <jbicha> seb128: could you look over LP: #1714821 ?
[15:08] <seb128> I saw it earlier
[15:08] <seb128> what sort of input do you want?
[15:09] <seb128> I'm unsure if we wanted it for bluetooth only
[15:09] <seb128> iirc it does local webdav sharing and that can be enabled from the default install (it prompts to install the packages needed ondemand)?
[15:09] <jbicha> it only has 1 feature left: webdav but historically we didn't install the apache binaries for that feature to even work
[15:09] <seb128> but we had the ui there
[15:10] <seb128> and clicking the box would prompt to install the needed packages
[15:10] <jbicha> nobody ever added support for it to install those packages on demand
[15:10] <seb128> unsure how useful that is though
[15:10] <seb128> ah
[15:10] <seb128> so it was indicated as a label?
[15:10] <jbicha> anyway, gnome-user-share doesn't provide a gui any more any way, the gui is now in gnome-control-center
[15:10] <seb128> I think I remember the dialog told you what was needed
[15:10] <seb128> k
[15:11] <seb128> and is the gcc gui hidden if the backend is missing?
[15:11] <seb128> in any case it seems like we should sync the new g-u-s and makes g-c-c install that package when somebody tries to enable the feature
[15:11] <seb128> so I think syncing is fine
[15:12] <seb128> if the release team ack the ffe
[15:12] <jbicha> gcc hides the gui if gnome-user-share isn't installed; it's not smart enough yet to know that it still needs those missing dependencies
[15:13] <jbicha> by default, the Sharing panel will be pretty empty, just "Computer Name" and "Screen Sharing" (and screen sharing won't work with wayland!)
[15:15] <jbicha> if you install openssh-server, you'll get a Remote Login option; if you install gnome-user-share, you get File Sharing, and I think rygel adds Media Sharing
[15:16] <seb128> we can look at doing better there next cycle
[15:16] <seb128> but it's pretty minor so nothing to worry about for now imho
[15:17] <jbicha> yeah it's not a problem, we have reasons for not installing all of that by default
[16:31] <seb128> jibel, those statements conflict no?
[16:31] <seb128> "I mean, if, after boot, I select wayland, then on next logins, the wayland session always starts whether I select X or Wayland."
[16:31] <seb128> and
[16:31] <seb128> "1. Boot your system
[16:31] <seb128> 2. Select Xorg
[16:31] <seb128>   -> Xorg session starts
[16:31] <seb128> 3. Logout and select Wayland
[16:31] <seb128>   -> Wayland session starts"
[16:31] <seb128>
[16:32] <seb128> jibel, in the 3 steps description your next login is different from your first one
[16:32] <seb128> (the bug description states that it's the same when reversing xorg/wayland order, for those reading only IRC)


[00:00] <daftykins> you sound like someone from yorkshire :>
[00:04] <tanja_> Bashing-om: btw even my zfs pool is now online and everything is uptodate
[00:06] <tanja_> ubuntu had made it easy for me because when I installed the native zfs package then it imported it right away
[00:06] <daftykins> it's Linux for humans for a reason
[00:08] <Bashing-om> tanja_: UH HUH ! And the sun is going to shine !
[00:11] <tanja_> yeah :)
[00:13] <daftykins> though ZFS is more intelligent than RAID, it's still a storage system that doesn't make backups obsolete
[00:14] <tanja_> true I do also have a backup on amazon ( offsite ) but would be sad if I had to download that
[00:17] <tanja_> crap there is a huge issue with the zfs pool/dataset its reporting wrong size and is hanging in unmount when I try to reboot
[00:17] <tanja_> know there is 125 gb free space but its reported as 100% full
[00:18] <daftykins> use a service that ships you an HDD when you need to restore
[00:29] <tanja_> daftykins: there is ordered another machine so I will do zfs send and recieve to have a full clone at home on the second pc
[00:31] <daftykins> size upgrade? :)
[00:31] <tanja_> btw I'm not so worried about ubuntu saying the zpool is full because that looks like a fail in the implement of zfs in ubuntu
[00:33] <tanja_> because noticed zfs is reporting 151G free even that df -ah is saying 100% full
[00:33] <tanja_> yeah that will also come at a time ( size upgrade of disks )
[07:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:28] <OerHeks> hey lordievader :-)
[08:51] <lordievader> Morning OerHeks
[08:51] <lordievader> How are you?
[08:54] <OerHeks> I feel pretty handsome today, how about you?
[08:55] <lordievader> Doing good here.
[09:01] <OerHeks> Just got confirmation that my double bookshelf will come this week \0/
[09:02] <OerHeks> no more tiles of books around the house
[09:02] <OerHeks> ... and more space for my linux books collection
[09:08] <OerHeks> me want this tatoo too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjiwMcre5X4
[09:29] <lordievader> But tiles of books are nice to have!
[09:30] <OerHeks> True, people here trow away fresh books by tiles
[09:30] <OerHeks> and dvd's ...
[09:30] <OerHeks> and pc's ...
[09:30] <OerHeks> .. and tv's that are not HD but just HD-ready ..
[09:31] <OerHeks> If i wait a little longer, maybe they trow away money too!3
[11:19] <daftykins> OerHeks: hehe :D
[11:20] <daftykins> OerHeks: where is it you find these things?
[11:22] <OerHeks> on our streets, daftykins
[11:22] <OerHeks> really, not joking, wait i make a picture
[11:22] <daftykins> :O
[11:25] <OerHeks> http://i.imgur.com/XfYplHW.jpg
[11:25] <OerHeks> one downside: they didn't supply the remote ..
[11:26] <daftykins> :D
[11:27] <daftykins> oh i thought you were going to take a pic down the street to show loads of computers lying around ;)
[11:27] <OerHeks> in a 2nd hand store they sell such tv/monitor for 50 euro or so
[11:27] <daftykins> mmm you could be rich!
[11:27] <OerHeks> oh, no, i will, next time
[11:27] <OerHeks> rich ?
[11:27] <OerHeks> nobody buys stuff
[11:28] <OerHeks> really, we are not in a financial crisis.
[11:28] <daftykins> that's true
[11:28] <daftykins> the little samsung one behind the LG looks like you've told it off and sent it to the back :)
[11:29] <OerHeks> But this tv comes just in time, my mom needs one.
[11:29] <daftykins> maybe that's for drabber to watch his programs on?
[11:29] <OerHeks> oh, that samsung i bought new, 6 years ago.
[11:29] <daftykins> ah ha
[11:29] <OerHeks> just testing this LG, before i send it off to mom.
[11:29] <OerHeks> 50% chance that there is something wrong with it.
[11:30] <daftykins> now that's some work i can get behind
[11:30]  * daftykins slides over a coffee to assist :>
[11:32] <OerHeks> hd-ready ...
[11:32] <OerHeks> only my tv does not show a black bar up and down.
[11:33] <daftykins> must just be the picture size, no chance to fix without a remote!
[11:38] <OerHeks> i can control it from my tv setupbox
[11:38] <OerHeks> and my mom's tv setupbox can be programmed to use one remote.
[11:38] <OerHeks> so no worries
[11:38] <daftykins> :D
[11:38] <daftykins> my supermarket sells a cheap universal remote for £20 or so
[11:39] <OerHeks> ALl i need to check is the tv code on their website
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <OerHeks> heya BluesKaj
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hey OerHeks
[12:17] <daftykins> :D
[17:03] <xenden> Is the current stance on tooltips for appindicator still the same as it was in 2011?  Id est, no support for tooltips?
[17:04] <daftykins> this isn't a support channel, xenden - so #ubuntu would be where to ask something regardless
[17:07] <xenden> Right on.  I was wondering if the "official" stance had changed.  I can figure out a solution myself, it would just be comforting to know the opinion had changed.
[17:21] <daftykins> i would think you'd need a dev channel then
[17:22] <daftykins> !channels
[17:24] <xenden> daftykins: Thank you!


[06:23] <DanaG> Say, is the "search box" in Unity supposed to do anything?
[06:23] <DanaG> For me, it does jack-diddly-squat.
[06:24] <DanaG> Or rather, doesn't do jack-diddly-squat.
[06:24] <DanaG> Yes, I am mixing a few expressions.
[06:26] <DanaG> There's also no clock in the Netbook session!
[06:29] <DanaG> Oh, and if I start compiz, the "panel" goes away.
[10:25] <robertzaccour> i tried to boot the current daily build today, and it wouldn't boot up after install
[11:07] <rye> Hi, is there a widespread issue of suspend-to-ram stopped working in maverick? I.e. nothing in logs, the system just hangs w/o kernel panic messages during suspend phase?
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> I haven't use suspend or hibernate for two cycles
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> it used to work sooo bad
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> when resume takes longer then a fresh boot
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> or suspend fails 8 out of 10
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> it kinda makes it uselless
[11:38] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, and it worked 70% of the time in lucid, but i was always able to suspend, resume was not working sometimes, but with maverick it does not suspend
[16:58] <elcom> hello
[16:59] <elcom> anyone there ?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:59] <elcom> hi there...
[17:00] <elcom> I am experiencing a rather strange problem with my Ubuntu 10.04 on my HP Pavillion dv7
[17:00] <shadeslayer> elcom: this channel is for 10.10 support
[17:00] <shadeslayer> #ubuntu for stable release
[17:01] <elcom> oh...apologies...
[20:51] <ZykoticK9> I'm running into update problems, with libvirtodbc0 I believe, http://paste.ubuntu.com/469495/
[20:57] <yofel_> ZykoticK9: bug 608878
[20:57] <ZykoticK9> yofel_, thanks so much.
[20:57] <yofel_> or bug 608818
[20:57] <yofel_> I'll dup one of them
[23:08] <xray7224> Hey


[15:39]  * ejat pokes sleeptime
[15:40] <sleeptime> hello
[15:40] <ejat> kanak2 ribena mana yang nak flood channel nie
[15:41] <ejat> sleeptime: r u freenode staff ?
[15:41] <sleeptime> I am indeed
[15:41] <ejat> coming here because of the flood ?
[15:42] <sleeptime> yeah
[15:42] <ejat> sorry for that
[15:42] <sleeptime> Do you know who's doing it?
[15:42] <ejat> this is first time i see someone tried to flood this channel
[15:42]  * ejat just login
[15:43] <ejat> i scrolling up
[15:43] <ejat> n see that flood
[15:44] <ejat> mind to ask where r u from ? btw, nice to meet ya
[15:52] <sleeptime> New Zealand :)
[15:55] <ejat> thumb up!


[05:26] <pitti> Good morning
[12:50] <balloons> morning everyone
[13:34] <balloons> jibel, https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/emulator-docs-try3/+merge/199353 had much more success
[13:46] <jibel> balloons, failure is a problem with the infrastructure not with the pacakge, I'll start a rebuild
[13:48] <pitti> bonjour jibel, ça va ?
[13:48] <pitti> jibel: may I ask you to pull auto-package-testing bzr on albali again?
[13:48] <balloons> merci jibel
[13:49] <pitti> jibel: I pushed a robustification this morning; now http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-setup-testbed/ looks good, except for the failed builds on albali
[13:50] <pitti> hey balloons, how are you?
[13:50] <jibel> Bonjour pitti, ça va bien. r278 pulled on albali
[13:50] <pitti> jibel: merci; rebuilding albali VMs
[13:50] <jibel> yw
[13:59] <balloons> pitti: Ich es gut.
[13:59] <balloons> I'm roping jibel into solving my issues for me :-)
[13:59] <balloons> speaking of which, jibel thoughts on why this merge is failing? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/add-cmake/+merge/204326
[14:01] <pitti> balloons: ("Mir geht es gut", FTR :) )
[14:04] <balloons> pitti: :-)
[14:15] <jibel> balloons, cmake is missing from the build deps
[14:16] <jibel> balloons, before pushing a package you can build it locally in a clean chroot to verify that no dep is missing
[14:19] <balloons> jibel: yes you are correct. I don't have a local chroot on this box. Anyways, I just thought that perhaps this is the same error, and indeed it is. One again the build depends was in the package depends in the control file. Ugh
[14:19] <balloons> <-- noob
[14:19] <slickymaster> afternoon all
[14:20] <balloons> afternoon slickymaster
[14:20] <slickymaster> hey balloons, how's everything?
[14:21] <balloons> slickymaster: trying to land merge requests :-) How's about yourself?
[14:22] <slickymaster> knome, like a busy ant.
[14:22] <slickymaster> working on xub -docs
[14:25] <elopio> good morning.
[14:26] <cgoldberg> morning elopio
[14:29] <cgoldberg> balloons, has Ubuntu Engineering always referred to them as "Merge Requests"?  I noticed the "MR" lingo in the group.  In Online Services, everyone called them "MP"... "Merge Proposal".  I don't wanna be out of date in my terminology :)
[14:31] <balloons> I call them mp in general.. but I typed it out this time in an attempt to be clear
[14:31] <balloons> which is funny, becuase I shorten it to MP, but typed it out as MR :-p
[14:32] <cgoldberg> balloons, that just adds to the confusion for me :)
[14:33] <balloons> happy to help cgoldberg
[14:33] <cgoldberg> it's also confusing that most people outside of Ubuntu use GitHub and call them "PR's" (Pull Request)
[14:34] <elfy> you can of course always count on balloons to confuse :p
[14:35] <balloons> mmm.. interesting you would say something elfy
[14:35] <elfy> how's Tuesday working out ?
[14:36] <elfy> balloons: not that I was intimating in anyway that you confuse me of course :)
[14:36] <elfy> boss
[14:38] <balloons> elfy: :-) Tuesday shows signs of promise
[14:38] <elfy> excellent
[15:20] <jibel> balloons, finally https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/emulator-docs-try3/+merge/199353 succeeded
[15:20] <jibel> balloons, it was a matter of trying hard enough until the bot is tired
[15:36] <balloons> jibel: awesome!
[15:37] <balloons> jibel: did you see Christian's response about the docs not actually being installed anywhere?
[15:45] <balloons> cgoldberg: check this out :-) https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/emulator-docs-try3/+merge/199353
[15:48] <jibel> balloons, okay, I see. right, building the documentation is not enough to install it.
[15:52] <jibel> balloons, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#doc-base
[16:13] <cjwatson> FYI, the set of images on iso.qa.ubuntu.com for 12.04.4 is hopefully final, pending testing
[16:13] <cjwatson> (in other words I don't know of any respin causes right now)
[16:13] <cjwatson> so it'd be great if people could test the various flavours
[16:36] <pitti> rbasak, jibel: woo! adt-run libpng --- ~/adt-virt-qemu [img] -- first success!
[16:37] <rbasak> \o/
[16:45] <jibel> pitti, woohoo
[16:49] <pitti> rbasak: I just G+ed my main difficulty with the current approach; maybe you have an idea
[17:38]  * elopio is having lunch.
[17:39]  * elfy thinks he's wandered into #twitter on freenode :p
[20:09] <balloons> hello Letozaf_
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_: any luck with reminders :-)
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, unfortunatly no
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'm trying to see if I find something "wrong" in the qml
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, I was hoping veebers found something intersting :P
[20:26] <balloons> ugh
[20:26] <balloons> well, let's have a look together I suppose
[20:26] <balloons> where is your code again?
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, lp:~carla-sella/reminders-app/new-reminders-app-tests
[20:28] <veebers> Letozaf_: Hi :-) I'm confident I've found the issue with 'autopilot launch', should be proposing the fix later today.
[20:28] <Letozaf_> veebers, oh great thanks
[20:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, in the main directory the manifest.json file is missing
[20:54] <balloons> Letozaf_: missing?
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_: ohh, it's migrated to cmake now hasn't it?
[20:55] <balloons> indeed
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_: from the root folder, click-buddy --dir .
[20:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, /usr/bin/click-buddy: 112: /usr/bin/click-buddy: cmake: not found
[20:56] <Letozaf_> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[20:56] <Letozaf_> Usage: click build [options] DIRECTORY
[20:56] <Letozaf_> click: error: directory "/tmp/tmp.sUFKdnzAnJ" does not contain manifest file "manifest.json"
[20:56] <Letozaf_> cp: cannot stat '*.click': No such file or directory
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'm installing cmake :P
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, with cmake installed : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6875242/
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, this has everything: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6875246/
[21:00] <balloons> hmm.. odd
[21:01] <balloons> Letozaf_: it appears that cmake doesn't work properly, or the merge messed it up
[21:01] <balloons> we should pull trunk and try
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, should I pull trunk and just launch cmake or also put my tests back in ?
[21:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have to go now, I got no news same errors also on trunk, I will be back tomorrow
[22:54] <balloons> veebers: thoughts on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopilot/+bug/1276364
[22:54] <veebers> balloons: as in dump the tree to file or similar?
[22:54]  * veebers actually opens the bug
[22:54] <balloons> veebers: yes, dump to file
[22:55] <balloons> long day, I figured I might have written it poorly :-)
[22:55] <balloons> leave some comment if you would on how easy / hard :-)
[22:55] <knome> balloons, bug 1275878
[22:55] <veebers> balloons: yeah that makes sense :-) We intend to do a bunch of work regarding the vis aspect of autopilot, we'll fold it into that I think
[22:57] <balloons> ty veebers
[22:57] <balloons> cheers mate
[22:57] <balloons> knome, must eat, leave me a pm :-)
[22:57] <knome> balloons, boo
[22:57] <knome> :P


 hello, I'm not sure how much Java Lubuntu uses, but I wonder if the new detected vulnerability in the Java logging library Apache Log4j is anything to worry about
 It shouldn't be an issue in the standard desktop installation. (re @Rodrigo: hello, I'm not sure how much Java Lubuntu uses, but I wonder if the new detected vulnerability in the Java logging library Apache Log4j is anything to worry about)
 Thanks, good to know 👍🏽 (re @kc2bez: It shouldn't be an issue in the standard desktop installation.)
[00:42] <guiverc> @Rodrigo, a quick scan of a manifest (https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/focal/daily-live/current/focal-desktop-amd64.manifest) shows 3 packages with java in name; going to one and it's https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal-updates/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 maintained by Ubuntu (not us; so will be patched as required), current patches can be seen at https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/w/webkit2gtk/webkit2gtk_2.34.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>/c
[00:42] <guiverc> hangelog  but if you hae a CVE; you can search for patch level from there more accurately than this way...
[00:43]  * guiverc you didn't specify release; so I used the first my browser found (autofilled) in each case..
[00:47] <kc2bez> guiverc: I think the reference is towards CVE-2021-44228 which likely only impact servers.
[00:49] <guiverc> :)   i suspected server given the apache ref; but Lubuntu is a desktop system not server so ignored that
 @guiverc thank you very much for the information 😊👍🏽
[01:41] <guiverc> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
 I have a question
[05:59] <guiverc> @motorolae7, if it's a Lubuntu support question, please just ask it, try and keep to a single line, and be patient as people respond as they're able to.
[06:00] <guiverc> !ask
 Ok. How can I install java?
[06:03] <guiverc> java consists of many install options; an `apt-cache search java` will show some; there is JRE vs JDK etc..   or maybe https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-java-with-apt-on-ubuntu-20-04 will help (you didn't provide release details os adjust for for your system)
[06:03] <guiverc> JRE=java runtime; JDK=java development..
 I have a problem now, i just restarted my laptop, and is showing me that I'm just a guest, not my user this happened after something like a home screen appeared and I closed it but now i don't have a user
[06:27] <guiverc> What OS & release are you using motorolae7?
 Lubuntu 16.04
[06:28] <guiverc> that reached EOL in 2019-April and isn't supported here.
 So I should install a newly version?
 I have 21.04 on my SD card
[06:30] <guiverc> I don't know your architecture; if you were using ppc then no later releases exist (only pcc64el was supported by later Ubuntu releases, and not by Lubuntu), if i386 then Lubuntu 18.04 LTS is the last supported release but it's support ended in April 2021 too.   if amd64 then later supported Lubuntu releases exist for sure.
 Yes I have amd64
[06:32] <guiverc> Lubuntu 21.04 reached EOL in January 2022 so I'd not install it; as you need to upgrade to 21.10 with the next month; so why not just install Lubuntu 21.10 to begin with.. Lubuntu 20.04 LTS has near half it's supported life left
 Ok I'll download it
[06:33] <guiverc> s/21.04 reached/21.04 reaches/ ^
 Ok it's downloading
 Now i have another problem
 I can't connect to network
 And I can't mount appimages
 I'll just reinstall it
 Wow, it looks great
[21:39] <omar> haay
[21:39] <omar> noluyo lan burda
[21:39] <omar> angutl