[03:14] <auk> nalioth: those reps worked to install "pan", while my previous ones did not--what are the "official" reps?
[03:14] <BeefTube> does Ubuntu have cedega in the apt repository?
[03:14] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: you only have 'regular totem'
[03:14] <Discipulus> BeefTube, apt-cache search cedega
[03:14] <BeefTube> ok I will try, thanks
[03:14] <bigfoot1> for firefox users here, do you find that after some hours, fx runs slowly, and you'd have to restart it to get it back running smoothly?
[03:15] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: it says in Synaptic that it is already installed though...
[03:15] <Razor-X> yeah
[03:15] <nalioth> auk: when you use archive.ubuntu.com, it hands you off to the next random official server such as gb.archvie.blah
[03:15] <Razor-X> it's called "OMG I LOVE YOUR RAM" syndrome
[03:15] <socomm> BeefTube: Nope.
[03:15] <Razor-X> one of the reasons I switched from Firefox ;)
[03:15] <BeefTube> ok
[03:15] <malakhi> BeefTube, no. Cedega is proprietary software, based on WineX.
[03:15] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: is there a certain way to run it?
[03:15] <socomm> Cedega charges a subscription charge to download it's sofware.
[03:15] <BeefTube> oh!
[03:15] <nalioth> bigfoot1: firefox has major memory holes, use galeon or epiphany or kazehakase instead
[03:15] <BeefTube> I thought we could compile it for personel use
[03:15] <auk> but why would the default reps form install not be correct?
[03:15] <BeefTube> i will just buy it
[03:15] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: when you call totem, it will run totem-gstreamer
[03:16] <bigfoot1> for streaming ogg audio, which program do you guys use/recommend? I have rythymbox, gmplayer (which i feel sucks!), and xmms, etc.
[03:16] <jtan325> what is the correct way to change my hostname?
[03:16] <auk> nalioth: *
[03:16] <Zodiac> God I love Ubuntu
[03:16] <bigfoot1> nalioth, what do you mean memory holes?
[03:16] <nalioth> auk: they are correct, but the US repos are whangered today
[03:16] <Razor-X> Zodiac: hah
[03:16] <trebuchet> damn it
[03:16] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: VLC
[03:16] <auk> ah ha!
[03:16] <Razor-X> VLC streaming is incredibly
[03:16] <Zodiac> uh oh
[03:16] <bigfoot1> nalioth, and will these holes be fixed in the next version of ubuntu?
[03:16] <Razor-X> actually, that was the original reason for VLCs inception, streaming
[03:16] <nalioth> bigfoot1: it 'leaks' memory
[03:16] <Zodiac> I think I messed my DVD playback up
[03:16] <Razor-X> VideoLan Client
[03:16] <socomm> BeefTube: One could compile winex, however cedega is not too hot on people redistributing it's software.
[03:16] <nalioth> bigfoot1: they're not that kind of hole
[03:16] <bigfoot1> nalioth, leak?
[03:16] <socomm> Hence the reason why you'll never fine winex on any repos.
[03:16] <MidNightRaVeN> yikes!
[03:16] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: holes in code where memory stays allocated even if not used
[03:17] <bigfoot1> how can so many people quite at the same time+
[03:17] <bigfoot1> ?
[03:17] <Quest-Master> Netsplit
[03:17] <MidNightRaVeN> what is that?
[03:17] <socomm> Hah, netsplit.
[03:17] <Razor-X> yeah, it's a netsplit
[03:17] <BeefTube> yea ok :)
[03:17] <bigfoot1> what's a netspliT?
[03:17] <MidNightRaVeN> yea =/
[03:17] <auk> bigfoot1: wikipedia
[03:17] <mrzero> MidNightRaVeN: two different irc-servers looses link with each other
[03:17] <Razor-X> it's when the router connecting two servers or a server chain and a server dies
[03:17] <nalioth> bigfoot1: i'm not so technical to expain it, just use an alternative gecko based browser such as the ones i listed above
[03:17] <Discipulus> where can I get the source to winex?
[03:17] <[koji] > *boom*
[03:17] <Razor-X> therefore, the network and the server are isolated from each other
[03:18] <MidNightRaVeN> mrzero: oooo
[03:18] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, will Fx memory holes be fixed in ubuntu 5.10?
[03:18] <Razor-X> but, it's also used as a general term showing that a box is going down
[03:18] <nalioth> bigfoot1: its a firefox problem, not an ubuntu one
[03:18] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: it's not an Ubuntu problem, it's a Firefox one
[03:18] <jtan325> anyone know of the correct way to change a hostname? not simply typing "hostname ..."
[03:18] <Zodiac> Guys, what do I want for DVD playback??
[03:18] <auk> wht's a FF problem?
[03:18] <bigfoot1> maybe if we tell firefox/mozilla about this problem, they will fix it.
[03:18] <nalioth> auk: firefox
[03:18] <auk> what is the problem?
[03:18] <langolier> does anybody have some helpful hints on getting my sudo modprobe zoran zr36067 chipset based a/v capture card working on lubuntu?
[03:18] <nalioth> bigfoot1: and maybe you'll buy everyone in the channel a beer
[03:19] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: it's known
[03:19] <Ninwa> jtan325, changing the hostname file?
[03:19] <Ninwa> /etc/hostname
[03:19] <nalioth> auk: firefox has many
[03:19] <Razor-X> I'm tired of all the bleating Firefox fanboys anywho
[03:19] <ColonelKernel>  whats the current kernel used by ubuntu?
[03:19] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: when i use Totem with the gstream it just freezes...
[03:19] <auk> what is the problem?
[03:19] <Razor-X> and fangirls
[03:19] <fujiko> netsplit o.O
[03:19] <Quest-Master> Hehe, back again
[03:19] <bigfoot1> nalioth, firefox has many what?
[03:19] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: is your file format valid?
[03:19] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: what you are trying to watch?
[03:19] <nalioth> bigfoot1: PROBLEMS
[03:19] <jtan325> Ninwa, is that all i have to do?
[03:19] <socomm> Hipsters with their starbucks and firefox browsers.
[03:19] <bigfoot1> nalioth, ok.
[03:19] <auk> i love firefox
[03:19] <jtan325> change what's in the hostname file?
[03:19] <Danar> jeeze, i leave and this happens?
[03:20] <nalioth> bigfoot1: try a linux native browser
[03:20] <nalioth> Danar: every1 left with you
[03:20] <bigfoot1> okay, nalioth. but i will miss the extensions in firefox. sniff sniff
[03:20] <vgui>     gdrmyukgj,gj,t
[03:20] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: just regular dvd's.... Matrix, Master and Commander, and Gladiator
[03:20] <auk> nalioth; such as?
[03:20] <langolier> i want to get my zoran zr36067 chipset based a/v capture card working on ubuntu. can anybody help?
[03:20] <Danar> i never left :p
[03:20] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: have you installed libdvdcss2?
[03:20] <vgui> kisss my ass
[03:20] <fujiko> i love firefox+adblock too ^^
[03:20] <vgui> fuccckkker
[03:20] <Danar> er, i 'left' physically
[03:20] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: you mean, no BR2?
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Kick please :)
[03:20] <nalioth> auk: ask your question plainly, and you will get answers
[03:20] <Quest-Master> rofl
[03:20] <auk> damn!
[03:20] <Danar> yikes
[03:20] <Razor-X> fujiko: Opera doesen't need extensions, it does everything by itself
[03:21] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth what is libdbddcss2?
[03:21] <nalioth> fujiko: bigfoot1 adblocking doesnt require an extension
[03:21] <fujiko> i love pain and suffering
[03:21] <Razor-X> with an executable size 1/3 less than UPX'd Firefox, it gets 8x the job done
[03:21] <Danar> Razor-X: yes it does
[03:21] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: what's BR2?
[03:21] <auk> opera is bloated
[03:21] <socomm> Adblock+flashblock == <3
[03:21] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: to decode your dvd, you need libdvdcss2
[03:21] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: Battle Royale 2 ;)
[03:21] <Quest-Master> Opera is commercial eww
[03:21] <Danar> Razor-X: there's plenty of things opera is lacking
[03:21] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: lol no
[03:21] <auk> yeah
[03:21] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: think that'll fix it??
[03:21] <Danar> opera is very good, but firefox is better for most people
[03:21] <Razor-X> Danar: such as?
[03:21] <auk> i tried opera, and couldn't stand it
[03:22] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: one of the best movies of all time, short to only EoE
[03:22] <vgui> cxncvddd
[03:22] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: fix what? YOU can install libdvdcss2
[03:22] <Danar> Razor-X: well, there's like a thousand extensions
[03:22] <misfit_toy> mmm mm good by doggies Jed I've done it again, pork ribs hot texas style with baked potatoes and beans.
[03:22] <socomm> Opera is a QT app if I'm not mistaken.
[03:22] <Danar> Razor-X: want a list? go to extensionsmirror.nl
[03:22] <Razor-X> Danar: which take up CPU usage
[03:22] <Razor-X> and RAM
[03:22] <Danar> Razor-X: hardly
[03:22] <Quest-Master> Opera costs money, Firefox doesn't. Who wants to pay for a freaking browser nowadays, come on?
[03:22] <Razor-X> which I only have 256 MB and 1.6 ghz of
[03:22] <auk> dnaar: lol
[03:22] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: i feel ashamed to say that i have never seen it then...
[03:22] <Danar> Razor-X: many extensions are only a few K
[03:22] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: OMG OMG i'm too cheap to buy stuff!!11!! ;)
[03:22] <auk> STOP!!
[03:22] <auk> man that is annoying!
[03:23] <Quest-Master> Netsplit <3
[03:23] <bigfoot1> nalioth,  but other extensions, such as gmail notifier or webmailcompose (mailto: links are directed to web version of gmail, rather than to evolution) will be missed. Can i get these  feauters in the browsers you've cited?
[03:23] <nalioth> i personally use galeon and kazehakase, both gecko based gtk2 browsers
[03:23] <socomm> Jesus, this netsplits are getting annoying.
[03:23] <Quest-Master> Razor-X.. ha-ha.
[03:23] <Razor-X> auk: that's called netsplits buddy ;)
[03:23] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: i just mean fix the problem of Totem and Xine both stalling and not reading DVDs
[03:23] <BeefTube> why is there a DVD and a CD install for AMD64? which one is optimum ?
[03:23] <nalioth> i personally find firefox bloated and slow
[03:23] <Razor-X> same here
[03:23] <auk> Razor-X: i know
[03:23] <nalioth> extensions are nice, but.. .. ..
[03:23] <Quest-Master> Firefox IS pretty terrible in general
[03:23] <vgui> uio;tgp97;gbv08jyhp89ug
[03:23] <Quest-Master> But
[03:23] <vgui> LJLJL
[03:23] <Razor-X> Firefox cannot manage anything more than 8 tabs well
[03:23] <vgui> RYUR
[03:23] <vgui> HKHJFHJD
[03:23] <vgui> FGSCZX VU8746U5
[03:23] <Danar> Razor-X: man, it's a browser. people don't have to pay for browsers, so it's unreasonable to expect them to
[03:23] <Quest-Master> I still haven't found anything better
[03:23] <Quest-Master> Guys
[03:23] <vgui> XVVXVX
[03:23] <vgui> HNCGHGDGH
[03:23] <Razor-X> BeefTube: the pwnage browser
[03:23] <auk> opera is the bloated one, in m yopinion
[03:23] <vgui> HKHHJGOEFP DLW[ERIP
[03:23] <Razor-X> vgui: right, whatever
[03:23] <Quest-Master> Kick vgui please
[03:23] <vgui> DTJTBV
[03:23] <vgui> GHFC ]
[03:23] <vgui> DGFJ"]
[03:23] <Danar> Razor-X: just about the only thing opera offers over other browsers is security
[03:23] <BeefTube> yea, lol
[03:23] <vgui> MFFNCXTH/
[03:23] <vgui> JGGHRTY4TRGSFSGWRT]
[03:23] <ColonelKernel> is there a net install of Ubuntu?
[03:23] <Razor-X> auk: obviously, you don't know about filesize
[03:23] <vgui> FGDVCBVDDTYY
[03:23] <vgui> GJGGJGG
[03:23] <Quest-Master> vgui.. >:
[03:24] <Danar> Quentusrex: terrible how?
[03:24] <NoHope> Razor-X, I'm sorry... Ubuntu must have adsl-setup... what is happening?
[03:24] <auk> gecko does font rendering all by itself
[03:24] <Razor-X> Danar: and a smaller filesize, overhead, and better standards conformation
[03:24] <BeefTube> vgui has a stuttering problem
[03:24] <Danar> Razor-X: not by much
[03:24] <BeefTube> give him a minuet he will spit it out
[03:24] <auk> that takes up space.
[03:24] <vgui> HJFHHJ
[03:24] <Razor-X> I don't have a GB of RAM man
[03:24] <Razor-X> or 120 GB of HDD space
[03:24] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: =/ i can't find libdvdcss2 on synaptic... is there any other place?
[03:24] <Discipulus> god damn
[03:24] <Razor-X> I have 256 MB of RAM, and 40 GB of HDD space
[03:24] <NoHope> Do you know why my Ubuntu has not adsl-setup? How could I connect to the internet?
[03:24] <Danar> Razor-X: opera isn't fully standards compliant either
[03:25] <Razor-X> Danar: much more so than Firefox
[03:25] <othernoob> NoHope: open a konsole and type pppoeconf. and set up your adsl connection
[03:25] <Danar> Razor-X: hardly
[03:25] <_0kills> hello
[03:25] <Razor-X> othernoob: you're forgetting, he may be using Gnome
[03:25] <NoHope> othernoob, I will try. thx. pppoeconf
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Kornbluth is really terrible right now :x
[03:25] <Razor-X> Danar: not sure what you're smoking
[03:25] <auk> DAnar: opera is hardly as well-off as FF
[03:25] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: You here??
[03:25] <Razor-X> the Opera team consists of W3C members
[03:25] <nalioth> hello
[03:25] <BeefTube> you guys get java virtual machieen for AMD64 ubuntu? I need that for my Lip sync-ing software.
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya nalioth
[03:26] <Quest-Master> Opera really doesn't beat Firefox standards-wise now
[03:26] <_0kills> hey, i just installed RealPlayer10 for Linux. anyone know the command to launch it?
[03:26] <Razor-X> it does
[03:26] <Razor-X> most definitely
[03:26] <Quest-Master> Maybe a few months ago, but not now.
[03:26] <AnObfuscator> Um, this is odd -- I'm trying to use apt to install xfce4, and ubuntu keeps asking me to insert the hoary PPC install CD.
[03:26] <Quest-Master> It doesn't, Razor-X.
[03:26] <Razor-X> Firefox renders things using nonstandard support
[03:26] <othernoob> Razor-X: and the Gnome version of Ubuntu doesn't have pppoeconf?
[03:26] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: =/ i can't find libdvdcss2 on synaptic... is there any other place?
[03:26] <BeefTube> groovy
[03:26] <AnObfuscator> only, I have no idea where my install cd is...
[03:26] <hondje> AnObfuscator: Probably need to comment out the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:26] <Razor-X> othernoob: it doesen't have Konsole
[03:26] <bddebian> AnObfuscator: Do you have CD sources in your sources.list?
[03:26] <AnObfuscator> anyone know what's up with this?
[03:26] <othernoob> Razor-X: lol well okay, terminal, shell, anything..
[03:26] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, what makes you say that Fx can't do more that 8 tabs well?
[03:26] <Razor-X> hehehe
[03:27] <bigfoot1> BeefTube, what's dillo?
[03:27] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: because of the RAM it takes
[03:27] <bddebian> bigfoot1: A browser
[03:27] <Quest-Master> Opera takes just as much.
[03:27] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: the best browser in the world ;) for small browsing
[03:27] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: not at all
[03:27] <Quest-Master> In my tests on this machine with both Opera and Firefox, they both consume the same RAM and run at the same speeds.
[03:27] <langolier> damn, this sucks.. i need a new video card for battlefield 2 and it'd help for linux... and i need a new a/v capture card for support for any recent os... and i need a new lcd tv for adequate viewing surface
[03:27] <Quest-Master> On both Windows XP and Ubuntu as well. ;)
[03:27] <langolier> life's rough...
[03:27] <BeefTube> bigfoot1 it is a fast little browser... http://www.dillo.org/
[03:27] <Jimbob> Did someone ask for me earlier?
[03:27] <socomm> Dillo is a lightweight browser.
[03:27] <langolier> :-P
[03:27] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: you must be smoking something real foreign, numerous test results agree, Opera is second-least among full-featured Linux browsers, preceded only by Konquerer on a KDE box
[03:28] <othernoob> Quest-Master: with Firefox being capable of just as much? ;)
[03:28] <bddebian> AnObfuscator: Did you "hear" me? :-)
[03:28] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, what do you mean by "small browsing"?
[03:28] <Razor-X> plus, Firefox renders slowly
[03:28] <Quest-Master> Razor-X, link me to these recent test results then?
[03:28] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: less features, my mistake
[03:28] <auk> Razor-X: why don't you start learning lynx, then?
[03:28] <BeefTube> bigfoot... to get it just do a ---- sudo apt-get install dillo
[03:28] <Razor-X> auk: I know lynx, thank you
[03:28] <Quest-Master> Razor-X: There are fixes for slow rendering with a few quick changes of the options.
[03:28] <BeefTube> then dillo from any command line
[03:28] <bigfoot1> Quest-Master, how did you find out how much ram a program takes? did you use top?
[03:28] <Razor-X> and I know emacs, and I know a shitload of console stuff
[03:28] <Razor-X> i'm not afraid to be called a terminal user
[03:28] <nalioths_dog> wow my master is on another split server
[03:28] <Razor-X> because I _am_ one
[03:28] <Quest-Master> top, System Monitor, and Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Windows
[03:28] <Quest-Master> ;)
[03:29] <auk> RAzor-X: i tested loading times, and opera was slower
[03:29] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, why would you want to use a browser with less features?
[03:29] <pmai> hi
[03:29] <Razor-X> auk: on my box, it's the contrary
[03:29] <Quest-Master> Plus, some people don't like to pay for browsing the web.
[03:29] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: because all features aren't always used
[03:29] <Quest-Master> And some people might not want warez either.
[03:29] <Quest-Master> *cough*
[03:29] <othernoob> Quest-Master: you don't have to pay for Opera
[03:29] <auk> exactly
[03:29] <nalioths_dog> bigfoot1, you can add features to all gecko browsers
[03:29] <auk> yeah, if you want ads!
[03:29] <vgui>  UY97TY9[PTNT97[PMJJHHJGIUGYGYYGHVHYNHFRXGTJJKKLLPKPO8JF45W45CCD4D4GGYUHJMNJHIOH0H'0UJ-IPIIIHUHUGYFFYBNJHVCZSFJKJUGDFSDKHFYMJHGGTRRRUT65DHHHG
[03:29] <bigfoot1> when i asked about netslpit, one person said wikipedia. Don't you think answers.com is better?
[03:29] <Quest-Master> othernoob: Sorry, but personally, I don't want ANYTHING obstrusive in my viewing experience of the internet.
[03:29] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: some people also would like to pay for a Lambourghini than get a fre car from '78
[03:29] <pmai> i have RAM128 and swap's size 8MB, it causes slowly?
[03:30] <AnObfuscator> Oh, duh, I figured it out.
[03:30] <vgui> HNO'OUHJHHBBHHUJIJOPJK0PJ90IU[PJKO0[0'HY8B P9T8 CFFYHBJJKKJUIODFOPDFOHOOFSOGIOIOIGIOUIUISGSIGUSI9GUS9GUIG
[03:30] <Razor-X> much slowing
[03:30] <Aerebus> whats the command to rename ?
[03:30] <Quest-Master> Razor-X: sorry, but you're comparing apples and oranges now. That argument about cars is void. ;)
[03:30] <vgui> I909UUUUIIKJIOPSUGJ90SUG09SSSSSSSAGYUA] SGU0-AGUJA0S=GSA=0GUSAGUS=0AGUXVJOX-UHB897ASDTG6RTWUI4TUFHUUUUUCJUFSYGSRTHEAHJ7U
[03:30] <pmai> i have RAM128 and swap's size 8MB, it causes slowly?
[03:30] <Razor-X> you need a swap of 1 GB
[03:30] <Aerebus> ;p
[03:30] <bigfoot1> Quest-Master, what do you mean by warez? and what warez are you referring to?
[03:30] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: doubt it ;)
[03:30] <Quest-Master> Aerebus: mv oldfile newfile
[03:30] <nalioth> Aerebus: do a 'man mv'
[03:30] <bddebian> Hello pmai
[03:30] <BeefTube> so you dont get hijacked, and spyware when looking up porn...
[03:30] <BeefTube> plus its fast
[03:30] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: software paid for illegally
[03:30] <langolier> that looks like it ought to be pretty easy to crack
[03:30] <vgui> IHJIIIHIUY7UY79T6BVG6O7VF5OC KLOJJIIDSFIOG IDOGYU9ET8YUG9WU80TMW79NV  8ryg[sr89tyqwty=Q424868R7WTW4I'STAkihj[dghitshkmkjhjhbbhvvyufr5t7edttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
[03:30] <Quest-Master> bigfoot1: Razor-X has implied that he warez'ed his Opera.
[03:30] <nalioths_dog> this is surreal
[03:31] <vgui> khji'hdfkkklk
[03:31] <Razor-X> BeefTube: Opera does that and more
[03:31] <vgui> uysdgy
[03:31] <pmai> hi bddebian?
[03:31] <jasoncohen> rob^, right click on the file in nautilus, choose properties and then choose an application in open with
[03:31] <pmai> i have RAM128 and swap's size 8MB, it causes slowly?
[03:31] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: did I say that?
[03:31] <Danar> bigfoot1: answers.com takes from wikipedia, IIRC
[03:31] <vgui> iiuyyj
[03:31] <langolier> if its encrypted data instead of just blather
[03:31] <Razor-X> no
[03:31] <Aerebus> mv is move
[03:31] <Quest-Master> Razor-X: You sure did imply it. Want me to copy and paste the line where you did?
[03:31] <Aerebus> whats rename? :)
[03:31] <Razor-X> I bought it, along with Total Commander, two of the best apps ever
[03:31] <BeefTube> BRB, my chatzilla is broken...
[03:31] <nalioths_dog> Aerebus, yes, and also 'rename'
[03:31] <chrissturm> Aerebus, man builtins
[03:31] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: yes please, go ahead
[03:31] <vgui> ksjgishgirtusryt8rytii5riosaoigs ygsvnhzxhvbbysedgf::;sud;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
[03:31] <bigfoot1> Danar, yes, answers.com has the wikipedia entry plus more. that's why i thought answers.com was better.
[03:31] <nalioths_dog> Aerebus, you use "mv" to rename stuff
[03:31] <bddebian> Aerebus: mv is synonymous with rename.  There is no rename in GNU/Linux
[03:31] <Razor-X> since implications are almost always correct, after-all ;)
 Quest-Master: OMG OMG i'm too cheap to buy stuff!!11!! ;) <-- hmm, I wonder what the wink here implies?
[03:31] <vgui> qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
[03:32] <pmai> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[03:32] <pmai> oh
[03:32] <Quest-Master> vgui, get out. Please.
[03:32] <nalioth> god i wish i had ops
[03:32] <vgui> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[03:32] <auk> yeah
[03:32] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: my ";)" is the equivalent of the :) smilie
[03:32] <Danar> bigfoot1: not if they're copying from wikipedia. wikipedia will always be updated more frequently
[03:32] <BeefTube> heh, so that is that that button does!
[03:32] <Razor-X> nalioth: /ignore ;)
[03:32] <nalioth> channe residents, you can /ignore vgui
[03:32] <BeefTube> just /ignore him
[03:32] <squinn> he left.
[03:32] <pmai> yes
[03:32] <BeefTube> !!
[03:32] <nalioth> Razor-X: no, i'd rather +b vgui
[03:32] <ubotu> BeefTube: I haven't a clue
[03:32] <LokeDK> If I run an application from a konsole I get.. f.eks with gedit .. (gedit:32584): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:32] <pmai> i have RAM128 and swap's size 8MB, it causes slowly?
[03:32] <Razor-X> nalioth: same here
[03:32] <Quest-Master> Razor-X: Should've used the :) smiley then I suppose to avoid disambiguation, right? :)
[03:32] <nalioth> Razor-X: and then put a foot in his posterior
[03:32] <Razor-X> pmai: much slowdown
[03:33] <Razor-X> you need a 1 GB swap
[03:33] <BeefTube> 0o
[03:33] <Danar> what's with all the attacks on open source project irc channels?
[03:33] <HillTop> What is the command to hide a poster?
[03:33] <othernoob> Razor-X: that's not really true.
[03:33] <bigfoot1> nalioth, why do you use two browsers?
[03:33] <Danar> #debian, #firefox, #ubuntu, and who knows what else
[03:33] <pmai> Razor-X okie
[03:33] <Razor-X> othernoob: what isn't?
[03:33] <othernoob> Razor-X: that he'd need 1GB swap
[03:33] <bigfoot1> danar, doesn't answers.com use the same current info that's on the wiki?
[03:33] <nalioth> bigfoot1: because i run ubuntu on a PPC, and things work a little differntly on PPC ubuntu
[03:34] <ColonelKernel> is there a net install of Ubuntu?
[03:34] <Razor-X> othernoob: he does for something like Open-Office, or software compilation
[03:34] <pmai> Razor-X how resize exist parttion FAT32?
[03:34] <bigfoot1> nalioth, so on your non-ppc comp, what do you use?
[03:34] <langolier> well, the answer should be obvious, danar... freely available stuff anyone can edit is inherantly evil
[03:34] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: yeah, there is
[03:34] <Quest-Master> Danar: Mainly because I'm trying to protect open-source software's reputation here while being compared to a closed, proprietary, commercial application.
[03:34] <ColonelKernel> so I dont have to download 4 cds?
[03:34] <ColonelKernel> Razor-X, nice
[03:34] <Quest-Master> ColonelKernel: Nope
[03:34] <Danar> bigfoot1: no, i think they download the database once in a while...
[03:34] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: I don't follow the OSS Flag like a blind idiot
[03:34] <nalioth> bigfoot1: i don't own anything BUT apple hardware
[03:34] <bigfoot1> Danar, ok, now i see what you're saying.
[03:34] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: it's only 1 CD ;)
[03:34] <Danar> langolier: heh
[03:34] <ColonelKernel> does ubuntu Razor-X the whole thing?
[03:34] <Danar> pmai: gparted
[03:35] <Quest-Master> Razor-X: Neither do I. I use Photoshop all the time because it was designed from a designer's perspective and Gimp not.
[03:35] <ColonelKernel> sorry you cought me unawares in the middle of a sentence
[03:35] <Razor-X> yes, all in one cd
[03:35] <svu> anyone having sound on G5 systems?
[03:35] <Danar> pmai: i think you might need to defrag it first though
[03:35] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: good then
[03:35] <Razor-X> because I know quite a few who'ld lynch you for that
[03:35] <Razor-X> or me for using Opera
[03:35] <misfit_toy> any suggestions for a good gui DVD burner that will do cue/bin? k3b won't do it, nor graveman, nor gnomebaker...
[03:35] <Danar> pmai: boot to the ubuntu livecd if you have it, and 'apt-get install gparted' and resize it with that
[03:36] <Razor-X> Opera, though, is the only piece of moneyed software I use, and two nonfree applications that are free-as-in-beer
[03:36] <ColonelKernel> pmai, you WILL need to defrag, and I'd use diskkeeper pro in windoze to do it - its 1000x better than the system defrag utility
[03:36] <auk> razor: we won't lynch you for usign opera, jsut for bashing firefox ;-)
[03:36] <Quest-Master> Razor-X: Except, I'm simply trying to point out that Firefox isn't as terrible as you make it out to be. :) Don't want to lynch you or anything, we're buds! Everyone is in #ubuntu besides people like vgui..
[03:36] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: I had a bad experience with that and NTFS
[03:36] <othernoob> misfit_toy: i had no problems with cue/bin and k3b. only did it once though.
[03:36] <bigfoot1> BeefTube, do you use dillo yourself? if so, only dillo? or do you use other browsers-?
[03:36] <nalioth> svu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[03:36] <pmai> Danar yes i got these cds from free order
[03:36] <BeefTube> I use lynx also
[03:36] <ColonelKernel> Razor-X, with gparted or with diskeeper pro?
[03:36] <Razor-X> auk: well, I'm forgetting the amount of firefox fanboys-and-girls there are in here ;)
[03:36] <misfit_toy> othernoob, but to DVD?
[03:36] <Razor-X> BeefTube: right on! ;)
[03:36] <othernoob> misfit_toy: yes
[03:36] <BeefTube> heh :)
[03:37] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: the latter
[03:37] <auk> razor-x: that was low
[03:37] <Danar> pmai: good. boot from the livecd, open a root terminal, and run 'apt-get install gparted' and use that
[03:37] <svu> nalioth, thanks
[03:37] <misfit_toy> othernoob, then I must be missing something...hmmm
[03:37] <nalioth> you guys need to compile your own links with graphics and javascript support
[03:37] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: and my NTFS wouldn't resize in qtparted
[03:37] <nalioth> then you'll be manly men
[03:37] <ColonelKernel> Razor-X, thats odd, I use it on my windows partition and it rocked
[03:37] <Quest-Master> rofl nalioth.
[03:37] <Razor-X> nalioth: yeah, it's awesome too
[03:37] <Danar> BeefTube: elinks is better  :)
[03:37] <misfit_toy> othernoob, was it a movie?
[03:37] <Razor-X> I know TwiBright links and lynx
[03:37] <BeefTube> ok I will try it when i install this afternoon, thanks for the tip :)
[03:37] <Danar> gparted is better than qtparted, in my experience
[03:37] <ColonelKernel> Razor-X, thats REALLY odd - of course I did my rezise with knoppix - but that shouldnt make any difference
[03:37] <Razor-X> i've gotten used to erc now, thanks to the odd debate
[03:37] <iceraven> I am trying to play with apache... once it is installed I used nautilus to browse to the directory on the HDD, however I don't have any rights to that directory as a user and can't add any content, what should I do?  Log in as root somehow or give myself rights to that directory somehow?
[03:37] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: mine went whacky on me
[03:38] <othernoob> misfit_toy: yes it was a dvd image in cue/bin
[03:38] <nalioth> Danar: gtk vs qt?
[03:38] <ColonelKernel> Razor-X, its only gone wacky on me if I tried to resize it too much
[03:38] <svu> nalioth, there is no /dev/dsp on my system. and even /proc/asound/devices shows just timer
[03:38] <Razor-X> and I had to manually disable 5 symantec services from XP with cryptic names, thanks to Symantec's crappy software
[03:38] <golgor> whats the command to create dirs from terminal? :$
[03:38] <pmai> Danar thanks you, i am going to boot
[03:38] <Danar> nalioth: i believe so
[03:38] <auk> nalioth: let me guess oyu use kde?
[03:38] <concept10> Anyone know how to increase brightness on laptop screen?
[03:38] <Razor-X> I had a hard time resizing, after that it was a breeze
[03:38] <nalioth> svu: i'm sorry, i only run ubuntu on a G3 and G4 iBook
[03:38] <ColonelKernel> yeah symantec software is the pits
[03:38] <Danar> pmai: gl
[03:38] <Razor-X> auk: anything wrong with using KDE, and I hear he uses E ;)
[03:38] <ColonelKernel> I use AVG in windoze
[03:39] <ColonelKernel> I think avg even has a linux release
[03:39] <nalioth> Danar: gparted is gtk, and qtparted is qt
[03:39] <Razor-X> my dad installed Symantec
[03:39] <Quest-Master> AVG is excellent
[03:39] <Danar> ColonelKernel: symantec (norton) had some good dos tools
[03:39] <svu> nalioth, I see. It seems G5 is not supported yet:(
[03:39] <golgor> can anyone tell me how to create dirs from terminal? :P
[03:39] <Danar> nalioth: yeh
[03:39] <Razor-X> qtparted is better than gparted, tohugh
[03:39] <BeefTube> OMG i forgot.. Ubuntu uses gnome by default!!! EeeeeeeeeW!!!
[03:39] <bddebian> svu: So fix it :-)
[03:39] <ColonelKernel> Danar, yeah but dos is dead
[03:39] <Quest-Master> golgor: mkdir dir
[03:39] <Razor-X> BeefTube: heh
[03:39] <nalioth> svu: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <golgor> Quest-Master, thx
[03:39] <Quest-Master> golgor: dir being the name of the directory in the above context
[03:39] <nalioth> auk: i use the terminal mostly
[03:39] <Danar> Quest-Master: actually, avg sucks
[03:39] <Danar> ColonelKernel: not really...
[03:39] <nalioth> auk: with gnome in tha background
[03:40] <langolier> where would i put a driver so modprobe could install it for me?
[03:40] <auk> razor-x: no, but kde currently has a monopoly and is growing.
[03:40] <Quest-Master> auk: Subjective ;)
[03:40] <bddebian> BeefTube: I used to think that but I'm really getting used to gnome
[03:40] <bigfoot1> nalioth, you wrote "you guys need to compile your own links with graphics and javascript support." What are you talking about?
[03:40] <Danar> Quest-Master: check virusbtn.com
[03:40] <ColonelKernel> well thats true, my mom still uses dos 6.22 or something like that on her server at her work for her outdated bookeeping program
[03:40] <Razor-X> auk: monopoly?
[03:40] <nalioth> bigfoot1: the 'manly men' part was a joke
[03:40] <auk> a monopoly stifles creativity and quality
[03:40] <ColonelKernel> of course she has to pay someone 90 bucks an hour to maintain her server
[03:40] <nalioth> bigfoot1: you can google "twibright links" and you'll be directed to twibright labs
[03:40] <BeefTube> yea, gnome is cool... I will just pop in XFCE afteter the install 8)
[03:40] <Razor-X> auk: what do you mean by monopoly? I know Government theory well enough
[03:40] <bddebian> Uhm since when was DOS 6.22 an NOS?
[03:40] <bigfoot1> nalioth, so you were talking about twibright links?
[03:41] <qt2> is there a simple way to switch from gentoo to ubuntu?
[03:41] <Razor-X> and contrary to most OSS users, i'm a slight totalitarion-pro person
[03:41] <svu> bddebian, thanks for the idea :)
[03:41] <ColonelKernel> nice , so ubuntu uses apt-get?
[03:41] <nalioth> bigfoot1: their source code for links has the ability for you to choose to enable graphics and javascript (and lots more)
[03:41] <ColonelKernel> that rocks
[03:41] <Danar> yes
[03:41] <auk> razor-x: "government theory"?
[03:41] <cyphase> hey everyone
[03:41] <Danar> ColonelKernel: it's based on debian
[03:41] <bddebian> Hello cybersystem
[03:41] <Razor-X> auk: yes, government theory
[03:41] <bddebian> Err cyphase even
[03:41] <auk> most linux users use kde
[03:41] <svu> nalioth, yeah, I browsed around - and found only negative info :(
[03:41] <ColonelKernel> Danar, right on, im downloading it now
[03:41] <bigfoot1> nalioth, so this is a browser you're takling about?
[03:41] <bddebian> Damn tab completion
[03:41] <auk> the great majority, at least
[03:41] <Razor-X> auk: and most linux users use xine
[03:41] <Zodiac> Hey guys, how do I set the DMA for the DVD playback
[03:41] <nalioth> svu: then ask uncle google (groups)
[03:41] <Razor-X> *ubuntu users
[03:41] <Danar> ColonelKernel: :) you can also have CDs sent to you for free
[03:41] <ColonelKernel> I use mplayer
[03:41] <nalioth> bigfoot1: yes, and a damned fast one
[03:41] <Razor-X> and most ubuntu users use many default ones
[03:41] <Danar> ColonelKernel: free shipping too
[03:41] <Razor-X> look at me, do I? no
[03:42] <ColonelKernel> Danar, thats cool, I saw that
[03:42] <Razor-X> Eterm, emacs, trackball, Dvorak
[03:42] <nalioth> bigfoot1: have you used links, or lynx or elinks?
[03:42] <langolier> where would i put a driver so modprobe could install it for me?
[03:42] <ColonelKernel> I didnt know it was free shipping too though
[03:42] <bigfoot1> nalioth, so many browsers: twilight, dillo, hakikaze, galeon, epiphany. which is good, i wonder?
[03:42] <Zodiac> Hey guys, how do I set the DMA for DVD playback?
[03:42] <bigfoot1> nalioth, i used to use lynx 6 years ago.
[03:42] <bigfoot1> but now i use firefox.
[03:42] <svu> nalioth, as I see, "not quite there yet" in 2.6.12 - so 2.6.10 is hardly any better...
[03:43] <nalioth> bigfoot1: well, the twibright flavored links, is a text mode browser (all *links are) that has graphics capability (if compiled in)
[03:43] <Razor-X> there's a keyboard driven Gecko based browser by the Mozilla team, I hear
[03:43] <nalioth> bigfoot1: so it works in the terminal or xserver
[03:43] <nalioth> svu: yes, the price you pay for early adoption (of linux)
[03:43] <Razor-X> nalioth: I compiled mine with X with graphics
[03:43] <Razor-X> :(
[03:43] <nalioth> svu: what G5 do you have?
[03:43] <Razor-X> I may need to remedy that
[03:43] <bigfoot1> nalioth, but i run the gui, should this be something that interests GUI/Desktop users?
[03:43] <Zodiac> Guys?
[03:43] <nalioth> Razor-X: yes i know
[03:44] <bddebian> langolier: /etc/modules?
[03:44] <nalioth> bigfoot1: you can go get the source, learn a little about compiling, and have a blazing fast minimalist graphical browser
[03:44] <Zodiac> Hey guys, how do I set the DMA for DVD playback?
[03:44] <svu> nalioth, dual power G5 (you know, the linuxonpower contest prize)
[03:44] <bddebian> Zodiac != male? :-)
[03:44] <Zodiac> Dag sorry
[03:44] <nalioth> svu: i shouldnt have asked... <drool>
[03:44] <BeefTube> another cool thiong about dillo... is is easyer to type from the commandline... you can do things like.. dillo www.google.com or dillo slashdot.com.... you can do it from commandline with firefox too but it is long to type... mozilla-firefox www.google.com.... phew My fingers are tired now 8)
[03:44] <langolier> damn it... doesn't look like the zoran codec supports my zoran card :(
[03:45] <Razor-X> BeefTube: you can do that with lynx too ;)
[03:45] <poningru> yeah dillo is awesome
[03:45] <nalioth> svu: why arent you running OSX + fink + darwinports?
[03:45] <Zodiac> Does anyone know?
[03:45] <Razor-X> but yeah, dillo pwnz
[03:45] <nalioth> BeefTube: you can do that with ANY browser
[03:45] <auk> beeftube: symlink mozilla-firefox to soemthing else
[03:45] <Razor-X> nalioth: not all (most probably)
[03:45] <nalioth> BeefTube: nobody has told you about aliases yet?
[03:45] <Razor-X> I haven't encountered one that doesen't, though
[03:45] <BeefTube> Cool 8)
[03:45] <BeefTube> Dam Small linux has a script to make Dillo have tabs and java i think
[03:45] <bigfoot1> nalioth, okay maybe in the future, i'll try terminal-based browsers. but for now, i'd like to find something to replace this memory-leaking Fx. what's the best alternative among the 3 mentioned: galeon or epiphany or kazehakase?
[03:45] <NoHope> hi all!
[03:46] <nalioth> Razor-X: 99% of the programs on this box are command-line-driveable
[03:46] <Razor-X> BeefTube: yeah, it's a dillo patch that's commonly available
[03:46] <NoHope> I'm finnaly on Ubuntu!!!
[03:46] <BeefTube> cool
[03:46] <svu> nalioth, :) because I need x10 stuff, some kernel modules. and I want to be able to do gnome development as well
[03:46] <nalioth> bigfoot1: try galeon
[03:46] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: do you use Gnome, or KDE?
[03:46] <ColonelKernel> lol BeefTube your nick is a riot
[03:46] <BeefTube> I am gonna get it 8)
[03:46] <Razor-X> or another Window Manager?
[03:46] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, i use gnome
[03:46] <nalioth> svu: x10?
[03:46] <djm62> bigfoot1: I think epiphany is the official gnome browser
[03:46] <qt2> is there a simple way to install ubuntu paralell to gentoo?
[03:46] <BeefTube> thanks 8)
[03:46] <svu> nalioth, yeah
[03:46] <Razor-X> then Galeon would be good
[03:46] <Razor-X> qt2: of course
[03:46] <nalioth> svu: i'm ignorant, what is it?
[03:46] <Danar> BeefTube: symlink mf to firefox, and use tab completion. and you don't need 'www'
[03:46] <svu> nalioth, namely, "wish". It is about home automation
[03:46] <bigfoot1> djm62, what's the importance of something being the official Gnome browser?
[03:47] <nalioth> svu: oh those X10 things
[03:47] <BeefTube> Sweet, thanks for the tip 8)
[03:47] <bigfoot1> djm62, in other words, does something being "official" mean much?
[03:47] <svu> nalioth, exactly :)
[03:47] <nalioth> svu: it doesnt run on osx?
[03:47] <auk> blah
[03:47] <Zodiac> My DVD playback is skipping
[03:47] <djm62> bigfoot1: integration might be a little nicer, and more components might be shared with gnome (decreasing memory footprint)
[03:47] <langolier>  /join #zoran
[03:47] <BeefTube> clean your disk
[03:47] <bigfoot1> i see.
[03:47] <nalioth> bigfoot1: they are all free to try, try them all and keep what you like
[03:47] <poningru> Zodiac: hold on let me get the link
[03:47] <djm62> bigfoot1: these are "mights"...the right one is the one you like best
[03:47] <bigfoot1> djm62, do you use epiphany?
[03:47] <svu> nalioth, it builds some linux kernel modules. I am not particularly interested in porting them to osx :)
[03:47] <Zodiac> cool
[03:47] <nalioth> djm62: that is galeon and epiphany and kazehakase
[03:48] <nalioth> svu: ah
[03:48] <Danar> NoHope: congrats :)
[03:48] <nalioth> svu: <evil grin> how bout qemu?
[03:48] <djm62> bigfoot1: I'm quite happy on firefox, but I have plenty of memory
[03:48] <Razor-X> I may switch Opera if someone presents something better (not Firefox)
[03:48] <qt2> Razor-X, i was thinking installing it on another drive and adding an entry to grub.conf.. :o
[03:48] <bigfoot1> how much memory, djm62 ?
[03:48] <Razor-X> qt2: works
[03:48] <BeefTube> I have 2 dvd rom drives...am i going to have to disconnect one to get grub to install properly? TIA
[03:48] <dapimp53> I have a Toshiba Satellite laptop and the mouse touchpad is not working. I had to plug in a USB mouse. How do I get my touchpad to start working?
[03:48] <djm62> bigfoot1: 512M minus video
[03:48] <poningru> Zodiac: there was a thing that you had to enable for your drive
[03:48] <svu> nalioth, well, I did not think of it really - but why wasting so much efforts to build linux on macos - instead of just using linux?:)
[03:48] <Razor-X> BeefTube: not really
[03:48] <nalioth> qt2: sounds good
[03:49] <poningru> it was called dma or udm or something
[03:49] <BeefTube> Cool :)
[03:49] <poningru> but dont remember or find the link
[03:49] <Razor-X> poningru: dma ;)
[03:49] <vladuz976> hey is anybody in here using gmailfs? i get thie error when trying to mount: fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[03:49] <nalioth> svu: go google qemu and check it out
[03:49] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, galeon or epiphany or kazehakase a good alternative to firefox? why pay for opera?
[03:49] <poningru> Razor-X: do you have the link to enabling that in a drive
[03:49] <djm62> svu: hardware support on modern PPC platforms is a factor
[03:49] <vladuz976> anybody know what to do here
[03:49] <nalioth> svu: its deliciously evil
[03:49] <poningru> there was a howto for that
[03:49] <Zodiac> What do you mean ponigru?
[03:49] <NoHope> hey, why [apt-get install beep]  doesn't work?
[03:49] <Razor-X> poningru: don't remember offhand, no
[03:49] <poningru> let me go search
[03:49] <svu> nalioth, well, I'll give it a thought...
[03:50] <svu> djm62, other than 3D and sound - it is ok so far
[03:50] <bigfoot1> okay, i've just downloaded dillo.
[03:50] <poningru> found it
[03:50] <poningru> Zodiac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA?highlight=%28dma%29
[03:50] <uniq> liz4rd: yes?
[03:50] <BeefTube> 73%!!! a few more minuets and  i will be enjoying Ubuntu doing a 1 hour apt-get dist upgrade 8)
[03:50] <nalioth> svu: max out your ram, and run OSX and ubuntu simultaneously
[03:50] <djm62> svu: yeah...some of us like music and quake ;)
[03:50] <poningru> if your drive is new it should help with the skipping
[03:50] <Razor-X> BeefTube: to breezy?
[03:50] <auk> bigfoot1: tell me if you find anything better than firefox
[03:50] <Razor-X> auk: Opera
[03:50] <golgor> anyone got apache and php working?
[03:50] <BeefTube> 0o
[03:50] <bigfoot1> auk, galeon or epiphany or kazehakase?
[03:50] <nalioth> auk: you can use the others yourself, they are free!
[03:50] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:51] <auk> i wasn' talking to you razor-x
[03:51] <BeefTube> heh
[03:51] <Razor-X> auk: does it matter?
[03:51] <svu> nalioth, the point is that I do not _particularly_ need macosx... If only I'll get sound at some point...
[03:51] <Danar> Razor-X: you want something better than opera other than firefox? why?
[03:51] <auk> i've tried galeon and epiphany
[03:51] <bigfoot1> auk, i'm going to download the 3, and see which is nice.
[03:51] <djm62> this is FREE stuff we're discussing
[03:51] <Razor-X> Danar: I said, i'm open to something better
[03:51] <svu> djm62, quake is too old for me:)
[03:51] <nalioth> svu: ok then (was hopin for a guinea pig)
[03:51] <Danar> NoHope: 'doesn't work' doesn't tell us anything
[03:51] <Razor-X> djm62: it matters not for me
[03:51] <Zodiac> hmmm my DMA apears to be on... yet it still skips
[03:51] <Danar> Razor-X: you also said 'other than firefox'
[03:51] <nalioth> Razor-X: try galeon
[03:51] <dapimp53> Can anyone help me with my mouse problems?
[03:51] <djm62> Razor-X: music?
[03:51] <Razor-X> Danar: exactly, because i've already tried Firefox
[03:52] <bddebian> Try Internet Exploder in Wine then.. ;-P
[03:52] <svu> nalioth, :) anyway, thanks for the idea. I am going to try mac-on-linux also
[03:52] <Razor-X> nalioth: it's Gnome based
[03:52] <NoHope> Danar, see the error:
[03:52] <auk> dapimp53: i sure can't
[03:52] <Danar> Razor-X: so you think it's not better. why?
[03:52] <bddebian> MOL?? Ewww :-)
[03:52] <NoHope> root@codeone:/ # apt-get install beep
[03:52] <NoHope> Reading package lists... Done
[03:52] <NoHope> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:52] <NoHope> E: Couldn't find package beep
[03:52] <nalioth> svu: good luck with MOL
[03:52] <auk> bddebian: don't you mean internet exploiter ;)
[03:52] <NoHope> Danar, what could it be?
[03:52] <nalioth> NoHope: dont paste, please
[03:52] <bddebian> auk: Or that :-)
[03:52] <nalioth> NoHope: its called bmp i believe
[03:52] <Danar> NoHope: how about _you_ see the error ;p
[03:52] <Razor-X> Danar: because anything more than 8 tabs is not memory-managed correctly, the number of extensions you need for basic functioning is enormous, and the interface of Firefox feels clunkier than Opera to me
[03:52] <nalioth> Razor-X: so what do you want?
[03:53] <nalioth> Razor-X: firefox isnt native to any platform
[03:53] <svu> nalioth, is it bad?
[03:53] <Razor-X> nalioth: as I said, me no want Firefox ;)
[03:53] <NoHope> nalioth, Danar, the same error for bmp.
[03:53] <nalioth> Razor-X: galeon, kaze~ and epiphany are all gtk2 based gecko browsers
[03:53] <Danar> Razor-X: you might be right about the tabs, but you're wrong about the extensions
[03:53] <poningru> Razor-X: please try the latest firefox
[03:53] <nalioth> Razor-X: then you need to be specific and say "NO GECKO"
[03:53] <Razor-X> Danar: it takes a toll on a 256 MB RAM box
[03:53] <Razor-X> nalioth: NO GECKO
[03:53] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:53] <poningru> dp dev is availble
[03:53] <djm62> opera is OK...I find it "feels better" to use free software
[03:53] <Quest-Master> Can't wait till Mozilla Deer Park is stabilized and then turned to the new Firefox release
[03:53] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:53] <Danar> NoHope: obviously it's not working because you're not using the right package name. try apt-cache search beep
[03:53] <NoHope> nalioth, Danar, I tried with a lot of packages... firefox, gnome, etc... the same error.
[03:53] <nalioth> Razor-X: stick with opera, then
[03:54] <Razor-X> nalioth: mmmkay, heh
[03:54] <nalioth> NoHope: use synaptic
[03:54] <poningru> yeah to each his own
[03:54] <Danar> NoHope: run synaptic and hit refresh
[03:54] <auk> hey, whrer did you come form!
[03:54] <BeefTube> wow, is geko in apt? that is neat... i have been playing in PC linux... verry limmited apt repository... looking forward to ubuntu and shopping for neat new applications
[03:54] <Danar> or reload, or whatever it is
[03:54] <auk> damn you, poningru!
[03:55] <auk> you say one line on every channel i'm on, even on diff servers!
[03:55] <poningru> wtf
[03:55] <BeatYou-zZz> has anyone ever installed koalamud ?
[03:55] <BeatYou-zZz> !info koalamud
[03:55] <ubotu> koalamud: (a distributed MUD server), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.3.2a-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 328 kB
[03:55] <golgor> php and apache anyone?
[03:55] <BeatYou-zZz> golgor what about them ?
[03:55] <BeatYou-zZz> nick BeatYou
[03:56] <BeatYou-zZz> !info gnome-mud
[03:56] <ubotu> gnome-mud: (multi user dungeon client for GNOME), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.10.5-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 342 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB
[03:56] <golgor> BeatYou-zZz, i need help getting php to work
[03:56] <Razor-X> BeatYou-zZz: Pokemon Diamond? ;)
[03:56] <NoHope> nalioth, there is no beep. There is no bmp.
[03:57] <dapimp53> grrrrr Why cant I get my touchpad to work nor my wireless internet
[03:57] <nalioth> NoHope: search in synaptic for beep (in package name and content)
[03:57] <BeefTube> going to attempt compileing cinelerra... I need a good video editor for my animations
[03:57] <Danar> NoHope: beep-media-player
[03:57] <Jigoku> yeah, same here with the touch pad.
[03:57] <nalioths_dog> NoHope: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:57] <BeatYou-zZz> golgor you have libapache2-mod-php4 installed ?
[03:57] <Razor-X> is there anything good for encoding/transcoding in Linux?
[03:57] <nalioths_dog> NoHope: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:57] <nalioth> Razor-X: transcode
[03:57] <poningru> rofl
[03:57] <qt2> now then, how do i figure out what grub sees /dev/hdc5 as?
[03:57] <Danar> NoHope: anything in your sources list?
[03:57] <Razor-X> nalioth: is that a program? ;)
[03:57] <golgor> im with php 5.0.4
[03:57] <Razor-X> and what are its features?
[03:58] <nalioth> Razor-X: yes and a good one
[03:58] <Zodiac> damn my volume is maxed out and it is still weak as hell
[03:58] <golgor> just libapache2-mod-php5?
[03:58] <djm62> qt2: it uses its own system, if you do "info grub" you can find it
[03:58] <nalioth> Razor-X: go to its homepage and see what ARENT its features
[03:58] <golgor> BeatYou-zZz, just libapache2-mod-php5?
[03:58] <BeatYou-zZz> golgor: ubuntu doens't have packages for php5 on the repos
[03:58] <djm62> qt2: I think that would be (hd3,6) but check the page
[03:58] <golgor> awww
[03:58] <golgor> easier to set up php4?
[03:58] <golgor> i guess
[03:58] <BeatYou> php5 is unstable anyway ;]
[03:59] <djm62> qt2: a,b,c are counted from zero, and I think the partitions are as well
[03:59] <golgor> BeatYou, how to remove php5 then? :P
[03:59] <BeatYou> golgor did you just download source for php5 or something ?
[03:59] <BeatYou> how did you install it in the first place
[03:59] <golgor> yea
[03:59] <NoHope> nalioths_dog, yap. It worked. thx!
[03:59] <golgor> BeatYou, i downloaded the source and compiled, installed
[04:00] <golgor> BeatYou, wont work :(
[04:00] <GMachine_24> Anyone know how to solve the virtual link to .ttf file needed for mplayer?
[04:00] <BeatYou> well, there is more to it, you have to link apache2 with php5
[04:00] <BeatYou> in httpd.conf
[04:00] <Jigoku> Anyone that can help a noob get his touchpad working on dell4100 w/ ubuntu?
[04:00] <auk> dell yuck
[04:00] <auk> (sorry)
[04:01] <Jigoku> It's used, and all I could afford... laptop.
[04:01] <siorfin> anyone here know anything about running world of warcraft on cadega
[04:01] <siorfin> cedega
[04:01] <Zodiac> Is Xine-ui different from Totem-XINE
[04:01] <BeatYou> not everyone lives computers auk...
[04:01] <djm62> Jigoku: have you had a look at the hardware wiki (more likely to be on there than for someone in here to have one)
[04:01] <auk> betyou: what do you mena?
[04:01] <BeefTube> http://mklivecd.sourceforge.net/    Is this for ubuntu also? I want to master some live cd for my students/clients
[04:01] <BeatYou> nothing
[04:01] <auk> BeatYou: what do you mean?
[04:01] <bigfoot1> kazehakase says i need to download PSM (Personal Security manager) when I went to gmail.com. So how do i get PSM?
[04:02] <nalioth> BeefTube: there is a wiki article on remastering ubuntu
[04:02] <BeefTube> cool :)
[04:02] <BeatYou> golgor: LoadModule php5_module in httpd.conf maybe ?
[04:02] <GMachine_24> you need a download site for ubuntu beef?
[04:02] <nalioth> bigfoot1: install mozilla-psm
[04:02] <Jigoku> oh, ok, thanks.
[04:02] <p8ntballer100822> man... theres alot of flippin sweet programs in the universe
[04:02] <bigfoot1> nalioth, thanks.
[04:02] <golgor> BeatYou, ill try
[04:02] <BeatYou> LoadModule php5_module /path/to
[04:02] <BeatYou> you have to make apache recognize .php also
[04:02] <nalioth> p8ntballer100822: wait til you get to the multiverse
[04:03] <dabaR> the universe is without limits.
[04:03] <dapimp53> \quit
[04:03] <poningru> p8ntballer100822: try the multiverse
[04:03] <dabaR> nalioth: multiverse is shit.
[04:03] <BeatYou> golgor: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[04:03] <p8ntballer100822> i feal like its christmas
[04:03] <Kikinator> can anyone help with a java installation problem?
[04:03] <p8ntballer100822> getting all these cool apps
[04:03] <dabaR> Kikinator: many
[04:03] <djm62> !java
[04:03] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:03] <dabaR> Kikinator: whats up?
[04:03] <p8ntballer100822> how do i get into my the multi universe
[04:03] <p8ntballer100822> ?
[04:03] <djm62> Kikinator: are you following that page?
[04:03] <pink-noob> I'm trying to install the FLAC plugin for BMP, but all the archive file contains, is a .la file and a .so file... Does anyone know where I should start?
[04:04] <Kikinator> I download the plugin, but it doesn't install
[04:04] <nalioths_dog> Kikinator: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[04:04] <bddebian> p8ntballer100822: Modify your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:04] <dabaR> p8ntballer100822: in your sources.list, add multiverse where universe is
[04:04] <nalioth> Kikinator: follow the dog
[04:04] <p8ntballer100822> i marked so much shit its gunna take forever to dl
[04:04] <p8ntballer100822> o i did do that already
[04:04] <bigfoot1> i installed ephiphany, but when i do "epiphany" it says it's not found. what is the command name?
[04:04] <djm62> wow, computing dogs for the uncomputery
[04:04] <p8ntballer100822> i am in the multiuniverse
[04:04] <nalioth> bddebian: he should have official list + backports (p8
[04:04] <dabaR> multiverse
[04:04] <golgor> nope
[04:04] <auk> bigfoot1: epiphany-browser
[04:05] <bddebian> nalioth: :-)
[04:05] <bigfoot1> auk, how do i get epiphany-browser into my main menu?
[04:05] <nalioth> bigfoot1: should be applications > internet > epiphany
[04:05] <BeefTube> heh, I want to make a Xbox ubuntu!! with AdvancedMAME and Xmame, and Xmess, and bring all the joy and delight back to my gameing time... I want to make a arcade cabinate with the Xbox inside as the brains... have all my Xbox games on hard drive somehow so I can choose them from a menu...
[04:05] <auk> bigfoot1: gnome or what?
[04:05] <bigfoot1> auk, gnome.
[04:05] <dabaR> bigfoot1: install it. sudo aptitude install epiphany-browser
[04:05] <auk> tehn what nalioth said
[04:05] <bigfoot1> i installed epiphany. is epiphany different from epiphany-browser?
[04:05] <BeefTube> make a Xbox cluster system 8)
[04:05] <dabaR> yes
[04:05] <auk> no
[04:05] <dabaR> its a game
[04:05] <p8ntballer100822> all these programs are gunna take so long to dl i must of marked like 300 of them
[04:06] <dabaR> auk: ...
[04:06] <nalioth> bigfoot1: you need to install epiphany-browser
[04:06] <auk> bigfoot1: epiphany is a browser epiphany -browser is the command to invoke it
[04:06] <Kikinator> another thing, my root filesystem partition is my largest partition, but it won't let me write anything on it...and for some reason, I can't login as root
[04:06] <bigfoot1> nalioth, so you're saying i downloaded the wrong thing?
[04:06] <auk> oh! you mean you installe dteh package "epiphany"
[04:06] <djm62> Kikinator: that is deliberate
[04:06] <dabaR> auk: epiphany is a game, to install browser, epiphany-browser, after that, from command line epiphany calls it.
[04:06] <NYRanger> hey all.  I just ran Unbuntu from the CD.  Its pretty awesome.  One odd thing though.  its only letting me use a resolution of 640x480.  I have an Intel Extreme Graphics Adapter.  is there a quick fix or should I research it on Google?
[04:06] <dabaR> in fact, I know, I use it.
[04:07] <Kikinator> so how do I login as root?
[04:07] <nalioths_dog> Kikinator: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:07] <DonL> BeefTube, just read this morning about someone in England getting charged by Microsoft for selling modded Xboxes
[04:07] <djm62> Kikinator: being root as a habit is a bad idea, ubuntu has no root user by default
[04:07] <auk> dabaR: yes, i forgot, it's not a bad game actually "a baldrdash clone"
[04:07] <BeefTube> I would not sell them
[04:07] <Kikinator> but I need root in order to use my main partition
[04:07] <nalioth> NYRanger: it can be fixed when you install it
[04:07] <dabaR> boulder dash
[04:07] <ch_604> can anyone help me with my resolution?
[04:07] <Kikinator> it says my account lacks permissions
[04:07] <p8ntballer100822> mmmmmmm mutil universe programs
[04:07] <NYRanger> nalioth: It did not give me a choice though.
[04:07] <dabaR> bald rash is a medical condition ;)
[04:07] <pink-noob> Kikinator: sudo?
[04:07] <bigfoot1> i just did an istall of mozilla-psm, but kazehakase still tells me to get psm.
[04:07] <dabaR> !resolution
[04:07] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:08] <nalioth> NYRanger: at the boot prompt is asks you to press f1 for help or enter to boot
[04:08] <golgor> BeatYou, query
[04:08] <BeefTube> I want to cluster 100 Xboxes together, install linux... and figure out the meaning of life, while I surf for good porn.
[04:08] <dabaR> wtf is kazehakase?
[04:08] <Kikinator> like, I tried mkdir /file    but it said I lacked permissions
[04:08] <nalioth> NYRanger: press f1 or whatever it is and look for video options
[04:08] <jack_> Woher kann man Informationen bekommen, wie man die Zugriffsrechte fr DVD-Ram ndert?
[04:08] <dabaR> sudo mkdir /file
[04:08] <nalioth> dabaR: a japanese made gecko browser
[04:08] <dabaR> <input your password>
[04:08] <auk> dabaR: form context, abrowser
[04:08] <nalioth> !info kazehakase
[04:08] <ubotu> kazehakase: (gecko based web browser using GTK), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 0.2.6-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 554 kB, Installed size: 1472 kB
[04:09] <Razor-X> after this, I have to try using emms
[04:09] <NYRanger> nalioth: interesting thing.  when i booted of the cd in vmware (weird setup I know) it did give me a choice of resolutions.
[04:09] <BeefTube> ok burning my ISO... be back in  a while while it updates 8)
[04:09] <dabaR> !info kazehakase-psm
[04:09] <nalioth> dabaR: !resolution doesnt work on the liveCD
[04:09] <nalioth> NYRanger: thats because vmware simulated a known video card
[04:09] <dabaR> nalioth: my resolution is fine/:) wouldnt know, + i install ubuntu
[04:10] <bigfoot1> when i installed epiphany, it needed the gecko browser. What is this geko/mozilla browser anyway?
[04:10] <nalioth> dabaR: yes, but his ? concerned the livecd
[04:10] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Wake up man.. :-)
[04:10] <DonL> nalioth, I'm sure I changed res using the live cd.
[04:10] <nalioth> bigfoot1: the gecko rendering engine is the heart of mozilla, firefox, thunderbird, galeon, epiphany, blah blah
[04:10] <Triffid_Hunter> bigfoot1: same engine as firefox, different toolbars afaik
[04:10] <dabaR> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-whateverserverlivecduses does not work?
[04:10] <BeatYou> !info acm4
[04:10] <BeatYou> !info acm
[04:10] <NYRanger> the ubuntu is very sweet though.  Performs much faster then Fedora does.
[04:10] <ubotu> acm4: (A multi-player aerial combat simulation), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 4.7-14 (hoary), Packaged size: 859 kB, Installed size: 3736 kB
[04:10] <ubotu> acm: (A multi-player aerial combat simulation), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 5.0-19 (hoary), Packaged size: 527 kB, Installed size: 1180 kB
[04:10] <dabaR> nalioth: camino...
[04:10] <nalioth> DonL: i'm sure you have a recognized video card, also
[04:11] <DonL> Ahh. That may be the case
[04:11] <nalioth> dabaR: camino is for OSX, this is #ubuntu
[04:11] <bigfoot1> so gecko browser is the foundation from which the other browsers build on?
[04:11] <Razor-X> the Gecko Engine
[04:11] <dabaR> #ubuntu, oh sorry,
[04:11] <nalioth> bigfoot1: the engine they run on
[04:11] <Razor-X> not all other browsers, only some
[04:11] <djm62> bigfoot1: gecko is a thing for converting html to the image on your screen
[04:11] <Razor-X> hey dabaR
[04:11] <Razor-X> again ;)
[04:11] <bddebian> wb dabaR :-0)
[04:12] <dabaR> hehe, a reaction.
[04:12] <nalioth> p8ntballer100822: remember what i said about comments
[04:12] <djm62> bigfoot1: the concept behind mozilla and firefox is that the browser UI is also written in an xml variant, and rendered by gecko
[04:12] <Razor-X> KHTML also pwnz
[04:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bdebbian i'm just getting ready for bed though
[04:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> forgot i had a dr appt in the morning
[04:12] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Did you have any luck?
[04:12] <p8ntballer100822> yes...
[04:12] <djm62> bigfoot1: whereas in epiphany the UI is in gtk, and only the inside of the browser window is rendered with gecko
[04:13] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I just set it up right now and it worked immediately.. ?? :-(
[04:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bdebbian no i have been tinkering with it for a bit
[04:13] <bigfoot1> oh, sorry, i used the wrong word. I meant mozilla browser. When i installed epiphany, it had to install mozilla browser, as well. my question is: what is this mozilla browser, and why would anyone want to use it ?
[04:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well then i did something wrong
[04:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i don't yet know what it is
[04:13] <nalioth> bigfoot1: which makes gtk based browsers faster under gnome
[04:13] <dabaR> bigfoot1: you really never heard of mozilla?
[04:13] <bigfoot1> for dillo users: do you have https enabled? how did you do that?
[04:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i may have broken ubuntu somehow
[04:13] <linuxpoet> anybody here use modpython?
[04:13] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: That is so strange
[04:13] <bigfoot1> dabaR, i have. it's the folks that made firefox.
[04:13] <djm62> bigfoot1: it's the gecko renderer and enough extra bits to make it a stand-alone browser
[04:13] <nalioth> bigfoot1: epiphany and galeon and kaze, all need mozilla for its gecko engine
[04:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i know
[04:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i thought it was install and go but somehow it's not and i don't know why
[04:14] <qt2> woot, foamy \o/
[04:14] <dabaR> bigfoot1: then why the two questions?
[04:14] <Kikinator> ah, another thing.  Let's say I download a file, how do I write it to my root filesystem?
[04:14] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: How are you trying to hit the samba machine, just with Windows Explorer?
[04:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i'm gonna go to bed now i will see you laterz
[04:14] <nalioth> Kikinator: use sudo
[04:14] <bigfoot1> dabaR, i just didid'nt understand why another browser was necessary when i asked for epiphany.
[04:14] <Razor-X> Kikinator: root filesystem?
[04:14] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: sleep well
[04:14] <Razor-X> you mean, as a root user?
[04:15] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: OK, sorry I took so long getting back on, I got called back in to work half way home!! :-(
[04:15] <Kikinator> so I would copy the file from it's original location then?
[04:15] <dabaR> ok, you asked differently, but yeah, like they said,.
[04:15] <djm62> Kikinator: you might want to resize your /home partition if you find it cramped
[04:15] <auk> firefox is one with the web
[04:15] <DonL> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I think what it does is use the Mozilla engine and put it's own front end on it
[04:15] <dabaR> yes, it sure is.
[04:15] <auk> it uses web languages and code for basic things
[04:15] <auk> like UI
[04:16] <Kikinator> yeah, only 2 GB
[04:16] <Kikinator> XD
[04:16] <Kikinator> do I use fdisk or cfdisk?
[04:16] <bigfoot1> I want dillo to work with https webpages. it said: " *** Dillo's prototype plugin for https support is disabled now ***  If you want to test this alpha support code, just remove line 56 from https.c, recompile and reinstall.(beware that this https support is very limited now)."  How exactly do i do this? please help, fellow dillo users.
[04:16] <nalioth> Kikinator: your choice
[04:16] <Kikinator> or can I switch to windows and use partition magic?
[04:16] <dabaR> cfdisk is a graphical front end to fdisck
[04:16] <dabaR> no c
[04:16] <nalioth> bigfoot1: dillo suX0rs, imho
[04:16] <djm62> Kikinator: yeah
[04:16] <bigfoot1> nalioth, did you say "sucks"?
[04:17] <nalioth> dabaR: what? cfdisk is a curses based fdisk
[04:17] <dabaR> bigfoot1: well, I mean, it tells you right there.
[04:17] <nalioth> bigfoot1: yes i did, dillo imho SUX
[04:17] <Kikinator> oh ok, thanks! ^^
[04:17] <dabaR> nalioth: is it not?
[04:17] <adwait> hey ppl
[04:17] <nalioth> Kikinator: partition magic is always the best
[04:17] <dabaR> yo adwait.
[04:17] <bigfoot1> i am trying kazehakase with gmail. and gmail says "For a better Gmail experience, use a fully supported browser." What's up?
[04:17] <Razor-X> it can work Partition Magic
[04:17] <Razor-X> *_Magic_
[04:17] <nalioth> dabaR: cfdisk is a terminal curses fdisk client
[04:18] <aarcane> well, between three trips to the forums, using google of course, two bits of hacked together information, and compiles from source..  well..  wlan works :D
[04:18] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: gmail doesen't specifically support that browser
[04:18] <dabaR> bigfoot1: use a supported browser,.,.
[04:18] <nalioth> dabaR: the only graphical fdisk i know is gparted or qtparted
[04:18] <Razor-X> it supports Firefox and IE and Mozilla because so many people use it
[04:18] <dabaR> curses graphical, same  thing.
[04:18] <dabaR> its a gui
[04:18] <nalioth> bigfoot1: any gecko based browser is gmail compatible
[04:18] <dabaR> just a terminal gui
[04:18] <qt2> is it possible to install ubuntu on another drive from within another distro?
[04:18] <linuxpoet> firefox
[04:18] <Razor-X> daba: there's no such thing as a terminal GUI
[04:18] <nalioth> dabaR: <sigh> no its not an X gui
[04:19] <aarcane> bigfoot1, dillo is an emergency hack and crack browser..  it just does html and nothing else.  no css, no sessions, no cookies.  it does jack shit.  :)
[04:19] <bigfoot1> dabaR, Razor-X, nalioth: you mean kazehakase is not a gecko-based browser?
[04:19] <poningru> just use qtparted
[04:19] <Razor-X> cures is a CLI
[04:19] <poningru> its pretty good
[04:19] <dabaR> well, so arent any osx or windows apps an X GUUI
[04:19] <ColonelKernel> that sounds like links
[04:19] <jtgameover> does anyone know how to use vnc? when i vnc to another box, all i get is an ugly black-white pixels screen with an "X" cursor and i can't do anything
[04:19] <nalioth> dabaR: by your definition, ANY app that runs in a terminal or Xserver is 'graphical'
[04:19] <bigfoot1> aarcane, somebody in this chatroom recommended dillo to me, that's why i downloaded it.
[04:19] <dabaR> same thing.
[04:19] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: that has nothing to do with it, Kazehakase is not specifically supported
[04:19] <Kikinator> is it possible to access an NTFS partition and the files on it?
[04:19] <nalioth> bigfoot1: kaze is gecko based
[04:19] <aarcane> bigfoot1, it's main purpose is as an emergency tool to go google or forum searching when you can't get things working right
[04:19] <nalioths_dog> Kikinator: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[04:19] <djm62> Kikinator: read-only at the moment
[04:19] <dabaR> any app that is object oriented rather than procedural, and makes pictures, yes
[04:20] <bigfoot1> nalioth, if kaze is geckobased, then why can't gmail give me the "full-viewing experience"?
[04:20] <Razor-X> dabaR: a GUI is something different from a CLI, and there are programs that don't use CLI either
[04:20] <Kikinator> but can I copy the files from the NTFS partition to the ext2 partition?
[04:20] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: because it's not specifically supported!!!
[04:20] <bigfoot1> aarcane, i see. i guess i'll be deleting dillo.
[04:20] <dabaR> I mean, I dont know the exact definition, or if it would fit, but, it sure is a gui to me.
[04:20] <nalioth> bigfoot1: because kaze is made by the inscrutable japanese
[04:20] <MidNightRaVeN> hey peeps. What was the program or decoder used to DVDs again?
[04:20] <djm62> bigfoot1: it's a choice on their part, not an intrinsic thing
[04:20] <dabaR> Kikinator: yes
[04:20] <aarcane> Kikinator, you can easily copy files from ntfs --> ext2
[04:20] <nalioth> dabaR: text is graphical
[04:20] <Razor-X> dabaR: in an exact definition, curses is a CLI, X is a GUI, and stuff like cat are just terminal apps
[04:20] <adwait> bigfoot1: it may support all the features but Gmail doesnt know it right? the programmers must have hardcoded the specific HTTP_USER_AGENT responses tht gmail likes
[04:20] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, but nalioth says all gmail is looking for is a gecokobased browser. i'm confused.
[04:20] <marco_> www.yahoo.es
[04:21] <Razor-X> marco_: no
[04:21] <bigfoot1> adwait, gotcha.
[04:21] <malakhi> bigfoot1: kaze doesn't report itself as a supported browser in its HTTP header. Therefore, Gmail does not detect it as a supported browser, even though it uses the same engine as a supported browser.
[04:21] <adwait> now eeven though ur gecko based..they dunno
[04:21] <dabaR> whatever you wanna ccall it.
[04:21] <Kikinator> because there is some files on an NTFS parition that I need but I don't know how to copy them to my /home directory
[04:21] <MidNightRaVeN> what's the decoder used to decode DVDs?
[04:21] <nalioth> dabaR: when one says 'graphical' re computers, one means with a Xserver or other point-and-click-with-mouse interface
[04:21] <bigfoot1> why then was kazehakase a browser that was recommended to me? hmmm.
[04:21] <MidNightRaVeN> something something css?
[04:21] <dabaR> Razor-X: how come you are so exact, where did you get this exact definition?
[04:21] <Razor-X> dabaR: just don't call 'emacs' 'vi', or vice versa
[04:21] <nalioth> bigfoot1: sue me, i've never used it with gmail
[04:21] <nalioth> bigfoot1: i use galeon predominantly
[04:21] <bigfoot1> nalioth, peace, my friend.
[04:22] <bigfoot1> nalioth, okay i'll install that.
[04:22] <bigfoot1> too.
[04:22] <dabaR> MidNightRaVeN: libdvdcss in backports for one,.
[04:22] <dabaR> Razor-X: just dont get too big of a head.
[04:22] <Razor-X> dabaR: read works on usability and accessibility
[04:22] <Kikinator> oh, maybe a dumb question but...does ubuntu allow you to emerge kde instead of GNOME?
[04:22] <MidNightRaVeN> dabaR: =/ where can i find it? cuz I didn't see it in synaptic?
[04:22] <bigfoot1> what's the command line to uninstall dillo?
[04:22] <aarcane> I erm..  get an error from VFS when I try to boot about no ext3 filesystem..   I'm in Japan actually. I wonder if three ar eany bnefeits for using a browser made by japanese people.
[04:23] <dabaR> Razor-X: that was not a sentence I can understand. read works on usability...
[04:23] <DonL> nalioth, galeon also uses mozilla, doesn't it?
[04:23] <BeatYou> !info dillo
[04:23] <ubotu> dillo: (GTK-based web browser), section universe/web, is extra. Version: 0.8.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 267 kB, Installed size: 688 kB
[04:23] <|QuaD-> bigfoot1: use epiphany over galeon
[04:23] <nalioth> DonL: correct
[04:23] <bigfoot1> epiphany is more feature-packed than galeon?
[04:23] <nalioth> bigfoot1: no
[04:23] <|QuaD-> bigfoot1: quite the opposite
[04:23] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: not really, most bilingual speakers have added language packs to popular browsers
[04:23] <|QuaD-> bigfoot1: epiphany is faster and more HIG compliant
[04:23] <ColonelKernel> why not just use firefox?
[04:24] <chrissturm> epiphany is just much nicer than galeon
[04:24] <bddebian> Konqeuror rulZ j00 a11
[04:24] <nalioth> ColonelKernel: because it is bloated and ponderous
[04:24] <bigfoot1> adwait, because as nalioth told me today, fx has memory leaks.
[04:24] <dabaR> adwait: I dont like apps that run in windows myself...
[04:24] <djm62> adwait: he already said he doesn't want to use firefox
[04:24] <malakhi> bigfoot1: epiphany is actually pretty weak compared to a gecko based browser at the moment. it won't work with gmail either.
[04:24] <schasi> elinks
[04:24] <MidNightRaVeN> so do i find libdvdcss in the backports??
[04:24] <pink-noob> Um... is there anyway to change my GTK1 theme?
[04:24] <qt2> anyone?
[04:24] <adwait> djm62:k
[04:24] <dabaR> MidNightRaVeN: yes/.
[04:24] <bigfoot1> epiphany isn't a geckobased browser?
[04:24] <bigfoot1> i thought it was.
[04:24] <MidNightRaVeN> dabaR: k, thx
[04:24] <dabaR> qt2: um, net install?
[04:24] <adwait> bigfoot1: i think the memoryleak thing was fixed.......with ver 1.0.2 itself
[04:24] <Razor-X> adwait: also has the most memory leaks, its bloated, and other flaws
[04:25] <chrissturm> bigfoot1, it is
[04:25] <dabaR> bigfoot1: you we4re right
[04:25] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: after you update your apt (after adding the BP lines in your sources.list)
[04:25] <ch_604> !info resolution
[04:25] <qt2> dabaR, to install something on the same comp?
[04:25] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: you open a term and type "apt-cache search libdvd"
[04:25] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: does it matter how many sources i have in my source list?
[04:25] <ch_604> er
[04:25] <chrissturm> gnome needs a good webkit based browser
[04:25] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: yes and no
[04:25] <dabaR> qt2: I havfe debian, windows, and ubuntu on this one
[04:25] <djm62> adwait: on the other hand, if it works for you, don't sweat it ;)
[04:25] <bigfoot1> malakhi, are you sure epiphany won't work well with gmail?
[04:26] <adwait> djm62:  :).....
[04:26] <Thazza> Got a question to ask everyone
[04:26] <nalioth> ch_604: what are you after? its !resolution
[04:26] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: =/ so basically keep it pretty empty to keep from conflicts from happening?
[04:26] <bddebian> Thazza: shoot
[04:26] <dabaR> Thazza: one for each, or one for all?
[04:26] <hosler> VMWARE asks for the kernel headers for my kernel, but I cant download the kernel source from ubuntus file manager. Should I just go to kernel.com and get it there?
[04:26] <malakhi> bigfoot1: well, that was my fault. i'm on gmail now, and it seems to work ok.
[04:26] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: after you are done getting libdvdcss2, you should comment out the lines with 'backports' in them (with a # at the beginning of the line)
[04:26] <ch_604> !resolution
[04:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:26] <bigfoot1> malakhi, okay, so just a false alarm. Whew! 8-)
[04:26] <Thazza> I have a couple fo usb external HDD's that are NTFS, was wondering how reliable it would be using Ubuntu on my main machine, when i transfer a lot of data back and forth from the externals!
[04:27] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: kk
[04:27] <dabaR> hosler: i DOnt think so.
[04:27] <ch_604> thx naolith
[04:27] <nalioth> hosler: you need the ubuntu kernel source
[04:27] <djm62> hosler: linux-headers is the package you want
[04:27] <qt2> blah, screw it, reboot time.
[04:27] <dabaR> Thazza: no writing to ntfs, no safe at least.
[04:27] <bddebian> Thazza: reliable meaning what?
[04:27] <nalioth> Thazza: writing to NTFS causes NTFS data loss
[04:27] <dabaR> qt2: reboot time>?
[04:27] <djm62> Thazza: can you use FAT32?
[04:27] <BeatYou> anyone know how to make ssh user accounts for people - with *extremely* limited access
[04:27] <Thazza> dabaR, & nalioth  THis is what i thought
[04:27] <qt2> dabaR, to install ubuntu.
[04:27] <idunno> hi , where can i find packages for gnustep for ubuntu ?
[04:27] <djm62> Thazza: it's the lowest common denominator
[04:28] <adwait> BeatYou: doesnt ssh accounts use the system user accounts?
[04:28] <dabaR> qt2: then yes.:)
[04:28] <BeatYou> adwait: probably, how do i make users then ? via ssh
[04:28] <dabaR> BeatYou: just remove the groups from the user, the ones you dont want them to be part of.
[04:28] <djm62> BeatYou: how limited? you could create a group with very few privileges
[04:28] <hosler> djm63: i look and the package manager says they are installed in /usr/include/linux, but vmware doesnt like that location saying its for glibc stuff and not the real headers.
[04:28] <bddebian> BeatYou: adduser <username>
[04:28] <qt2> dabaR, heh, i dont want to install a boot manager though, that's the problem, since i've already got grub set up via gentoo.
[04:28] <nalioth> BeatYou: system > admin > users and groups  (and watch the tabs for 'access")
[04:28] <adwait> BeatYou: via ssh........ssh as root and then adduser
[04:28] <BeatYou> thans
[04:28] <dabaR> BeatYou: you make user either through the system>admin menu or adduser username in a terminal
[04:28] <BeatYou> thanks
[04:28] <p8ntballer100822> im about to download 470 apps haha
[04:29] <p8ntballer100822> w00t!
[04:29] <Thazza> djm62,  Issue with that 4 gig limit on Fat 32. The drivers are 2 * 200 gig and a 160 gb, only one of the 200Gb drives has 2 partitions. They are used to store different data. Sometimes being a 4.7 Gig iso
[04:29] <hosler> nalioth: the ubuntu package manager only gives me an option to download 2.4 source, but i need the 2.6 source.
[04:29] <bigfoot1> i did: "sudo aptitude install epiphany-browser" but still no epiphany in my menu. What's up?
[04:29] <dabaR> p8ntballer100822: and then use them all at the same time>
[04:29] <nalioth> Thazza: you have files over 4gb?
[04:29] <adwait> bigfoot1: try the commandline...
[04:29] <p8ntballer100822> yea haha
[04:29] <Thazza> nalioth,  DVD images. ;-)
[04:29] <dabaR> bigfoot1: it has to be there, gnome? apps>internet.
[04:29] <nalioth> hosler: ah
[04:29] <p8ntballer100822> me and my 100 arms
[04:29] <djm62> Thazza: wow, I didn't realise FAT32 was so limited.
[04:29] <nalioth> Thazza: try qemu
[04:29] <bigfoot1> dabar, no it's not in apps>internet, unfortunately.
[04:30] <dabaR> weird, mine is:P
[04:30] <dabaR> add it.
[04:30] <qt2> dabaR, doesnt ubuntu automatically install a boot manager?
[04:30] <nalioth> Thazza: qemu + samba
[04:30] <nalioth> qt2: yes
[04:30] <dabaR> there is a add/remove programs..
[04:30] <p8ntballer100822> woot !! sweet apps here i come
[04:30] <auk> qt2: yes, grub
[04:30] <dabaR> qt2:^
[04:30] <idunno> im sorry i have to rephrase my question.. i know where they are , but how do  i make synaptic or the applicaiton manager find them automatically?
[04:30] <malakhi> bigfoot1: sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser doesn't get it?
[04:30] <mephisto> Hey group!  Where should I look to fix this problem?
[04:30] <dabaR> bigfoot1: you can add apps to the menus.
[04:30] <qt2> well, is there a way to disable the installing of grub? :P
[04:30] <adwait> bigfoot1: in terminal, try typing ephiphany (or whtever the command is) and if it starts up, u can add it to the app menu
[04:30] <dabaR> mephisto: what did it do?
[04:31] <djm62> idunno: have you downloaded them manually?
[04:31] <dabaR> epiphany is the command.
[04:31] <p8ntballer100822> i wish i had a laptop :(
[04:31] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: for the backports, how should the line look? like this:
[04:31] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth:
[04:31] <MidNightRaVeN> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp?
[04:31] <nalioth> bigfoot1: it should be in teh app menu already
[04:31] <dabaR> qt2: you dont want that, it will make entries to allow other OSs to be loaded.
[04:31] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: don't paste in here
[04:31] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: use #flood or a pastebin
[04:31] <Thazza> nalioth, Hmm interesting.. looks like more than i have the time to learn. atm.. I think i will just continue to run, a windows box, and a ubuntu box
[04:31] <eno> hi, um.... how do I change the settings in gnome so that the active window is the one the mouse is over?  (like the olds days)
[04:31] <dabaR> MidNightRaVeN: backports.ubuntuforums.org will tell you exactly.
[04:31] <MidNightRaVeN> just type #flood and what i want to paste?
[04:32] <nalioth> Thazza: both at the same time? different boxes?
[04:32] <djm62> eno: that's window manager behaviour
[04:32] <mephisto> dabaR: "Totem could not start up. Resource busy of not available"
[04:32] <dabaR> eno there is an option somewhere, Ill get it.
[04:32] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: no, you join the channel #flood
[04:32] <Thazza> All: I would reformat the drives as ext3 yet then the windows boxs (friends and others) i use them on would not see the data
[04:32] <eno> thank you.
[04:32] <p8ntballer100822> thazza, why dont you dual boot? so you can run windoze and linux
[04:32] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: and then paste in that channel
[04:32] <mephisto> dabaR:*or*
[04:32] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: o, kk
[04:32] <djm62> are there any other filesystems common to linux and windows?
[04:32] <nalioth> p8ntballer100822: Thazza needs both OS' at the same time
[04:32] <Thazza> nalioth,  Different boxes.. One in office, one in bedroom, for late night research. :-)
[04:32] <nalioth> djm62: fat32 is all i know
[04:32] <p8ntballer100822> oic
[04:32] <p8ntballer100822> hmmm....
[04:33] <nalioth> Thazza: then you should be able to use sambe
[04:33] <dabaR> mephisto: likely a sound thing.
[04:33] <nalioth> samba
[04:33] <BeatYou> !ssh
[04:33] <ubotu> hmm... ssh is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/"
[04:33] <Razor-X> the saddest part is, FAT is the skinniest filesystem ;)
[04:33] <mephisto> dabaR: like no sound card, no work?
[04:33] <p8ntballer100822> yea i havent really been paying attention to these convos
[04:33] <Thazza> nalioth,  Thats what i have been doing.. Yet i would really like to get rid of the windows box.. Totally. :D
[04:33] <Go_pLastic> anyone here use cedega?
[04:33] <p8ntballer100822> downloading file 18 of 470.....
[04:33] <dabaR> try killall esd and then try the app again, that will kill your sound in other apps for that session, though, unless you type in esd in a terminal and keep it open.
[04:33] <DonL> Thazza, when I got a separate computer for Linux I was a happy camper.
[04:34] <bddebian> Thazza: So two Ubuntu boxes and you're there :-)
[04:34] <nalioth> Thazza: 'borrow' a copy of partition magic and convert your drives to ext2/3
[04:34] <eno> can I go into the source code?
[04:34] <Thazza> bddebian,  Thats what i would like.. I have one current box, and then the windows box in office.. that the USB hdd's are connected to.
[04:34] <bddebian> eno: For what?
[04:34] <eno> I promise I won't edit it, I just want to see it
[04:34] <p8ntballer100822> i have a windows box... but i rarely use it. i dont really need it for anything
[04:35] <bigfoot1> malakhi, it does get the browser, but it does'nt put it into my menu.
[04:35] <dabaR> eno: System>Prefs>Windows.
[04:35] <bddebian> eno: You can edit it, that is what Free Software is al about
[04:35] <bigfoot1> oh, wait, sorry. it is in the menu.
[04:35] <eno> thank you dabaR
[04:35] <Thazza> nalioth,  Can't do this to other peoples Drives.. (windows) so then their machines can't see my USB drives
[04:35] <dabaR> welcome
[04:35] <malakhi> bigfoot1: my misunderstanding.
[04:35] <bigfoot1> i just was looking alphabetically.
[04:35] <nalioth> bigfoot1: if it isnt there nwo, it should show up when you restart your xserver
[04:35] <bigfoot1> it is on the top of the list.
[04:35] <BeatYou> errr, anyone know where the advanced config files for ssh users are ? like to lock them in home dir
[04:35] <eno> yeah, editing dsomething like that isn't for someone with my programming skil
[04:35] <p8ntballer100822> you guys wanna see my sweet ass paint job on my computer thay isnt really that sweet cause i painted it?
[04:35] <hosler> I need the 2.6.10 kernel source but synaptic doesnt have it in its database, where can i get the ubunti 2.6.10 kernel source.
[04:35] <nalioth> Thazza: you are stuck with the windows ball-and-chain
[04:35] <Thazza> p8ntballer100822, Well the only reason i have the windows box now, is cause of the NTFS usb drives
[04:35] <Danar> djm62: there are no file systems 'common' to linux and windows, but linux can read windows file systems
[04:35] <bddebian> hosler: Hoary?
[04:36] <Thazza> nalioth, Saddly Yes. :-(
[04:36] <p8ntballer100822> oic
[04:36] <nalioth> Thazza: UNLESS you convert your whole office to ubuntu!
[04:36] <hosler> bddebian: i have all the repositories in allready.
[04:36] <bigfoot1> fellow Gmail users: what program do you use to be notified of new email?
[04:36] <eno> so do I have to download the sourcecode or is it already on my system?
[04:36] <dabaR> BeatYou: you would prolly change the permissions for folders to sudo chmod -r or -R / o-rwx
[04:36] <dabaR> dont do that yet tho.
[04:36] <p8ntballer100822> why do you have usb drives?? why not buy internal drives
[04:36] <adwait> BeatYou: read man ssh.......it has all u want i think
[04:36] <Danar> bigfoot1: firefox
[04:36] <BeatYou> bigfoot1: http://toolbar.google.com/gmail-helper/index?promo=gdl-en
[04:36] <mephisto> bigootl: gmail notifier or Thunderbird
[04:36] <Thazza> nalioth, And my friends. :-) and my works computers.
[04:36] <dabaR> eno: the source code for waht?
[04:36] <Danar> bigfoot1: or thunderbird
[04:36] <nalioth> p8ntballer100822: for data portability in the office
[04:37] <eno> the whole OS
[04:37] <BeatYou> thanks adwait
[04:37] <bddebian> hosler: OK but I was asking what you are running.  You aren't on Warty are you?
[04:37] <Thazza> p8ntballer100822,  Portable.. Take to work, Friends.
[04:37] <adwait> np BeatYou
[04:37] <eno> I want to take a look around in it
[04:37] <p8ntballer100822> oic
[04:37] <nalioth> Thazza: shipit.ubuntu.com will send you as many disks as you like
[04:37] <djm62> Danar: FAT32 is common insofar as both windows and linux can create, read, and write it
[04:37] <nalioth> Thazza: and they are fancy pressed ones, with fancy graphical pacakges
[04:37] <bigfoot1> Danar, yes firefox makes an extension, but i just switched from Firefox today.
[04:37] <p8ntballer100822> heres the pic of my computer with its crappy custom paint job
[04:37] <hosler> bddebian: I dont know waht warty is, so I dont think so.
[04:37] <p8ntballer100822> http://photos18.flickr.com/23654142_bcf5eb71b1.jpg?v=0
[04:37] <Razor-X> natively, rather
[04:37] <bigfoot1> BeatYou, that toolbar is only for windows.
[04:37] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: good job
[04:37] <Danar> djm62: no, you can't run linux on fat32, so it's not common. linux can also do ntfs though
[04:37] <bddebian> eno: "the whole OS" is a little misleading. Do you want to look at kernel source or for a particular package?
[04:37] <dabaR> BeatYou: well, I would do what I said, and then add a user, see if he can leave his directory, and thats it
[04:37] <delltony> anyone happen to know of a good howto including a possible script that will work with ubuntu for converting dvds to xvids dvd::rip doesn't work cause ubuntu hates transcode so i'm trying mencoder with no luck help would be great
[04:37] <Thazza> nalioth,  Not my work computrs.. No permission to wipe., and the old windows users would freak. lol
[04:37] <BeatYou> bigfoot1... errr sorry
[04:37] <BeatYou> haha
[04:37] <bigfoot1> BeatYou, and i don't want to take away more real estate from the browser.
[04:37] <nalioth> djm62: but there is a 4gb filesize limit with fat32
[04:38] <Danar> bigfoot1: uh, _from_ firefox?
[04:38] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, thank you very much!
[04:38] <BeatYou> bigfoot1, it is not a toolbar
[04:38] <Danar> bigfoot1: to what?
[04:38] <BeatYou> it runs in sysmte tray
[04:38] <tyas> hi
[04:38] <Go_pLastic> anyone here use cedega?
[04:38] <nalioth> Thazza: www.xpde.org
[04:38] <BeatYou> but i forgot this is #ubuntu
[04:38] <tyas> hi
[04:38] <tyas> hi
[04:38] <tyas> hi
[04:38] <tyas> hi
[04:38] <Danar> bigfoot1: and why?
[04:38] <bigfoot1> Danar, well, to epiphany and to galeon
[04:38] <Thazza> nalioth, Also i am waiting for the 30 cd's i ordered about 1 month ago.
[04:38] <Razor-X> Go_pLastic: not many do
[04:38] <p8ntballer100822> i know you guys are jelous of my sweet computer with awsome paintjob "sarcasm"
[04:38] <p8ntballer100822> http://photos18.flickr.com/23654142_bcf5eb71b1.jpg?v=0
[04:38] <eno> bddebian: sorry... I am not entirely sure... I just thought it would be cool to take a look
[04:38] <bigfoot1> danar, i switched from fx because nalioth told me of the memory leaks.
[04:38] <Go_pLastic> Razor-X, do you?
[04:38] <nalioth> Thazza: ah, well, when they arrive, have fun converting folks
[04:38] <djm62> Danar: I have ran linux on fat323
[04:38] <Razor-X> Go_pLastic: nopes
[04:38] <Danar> bigfoot1: i have never had a problem with it
[04:38] <bigfoot1> fx makes my pc run slow after a while. I would have to restart it every so many hours.
[04:39] <Razor-X> djm62: UMSDOS, IIRC
[04:39] <Danar> bigfoot1: i leave firefox running for days at a time, sometimes. no probs
[04:39] <Go_pLastic> Razor-X, cool thanks
[04:39] <nalioth> Danar: how much  ram is on your system?
[04:39] <Danar> nalioth: 512
[04:39] <djm62> Razor-X: dat de one, useful for usb-stick boots
[04:39] <adwait> same here
[04:39] <bigfoot1> i have 256 ram on mine.
[04:39] <Razor-X> same here
[04:39] <bddebian> hosler: From a terminal try this: "apt-cache dump |grep kernel-tree-2.6"
[04:39] <eno> what is the point of the camou computer by the way?  why do people do that?  I would paint mine to be a monkey
[04:39] <nalioth> Danar: bigfoot1: if your puters are much differnt, they will act differently
[04:39] <adwait> bigfoot1: which version of ff did u havee?
[04:39] <Razor-X> eno: dunno, whatever floats someone's boat
[04:39] <bigfoot1> so let me ask again: Gmail users, what do you use for new mail notification?
[04:39] <Thazza> nalioth, LOL.. also that link is dead.. well in german. lol
[04:39] <dabaR> eno: some people play those war ganmes, and think war is cool, dunno.
[04:40] <bigfoot1> adwait, um, how do i check version of fx?
[04:40] <nalioth> Thazza: crap, i cant remember if its com or org
[04:40] <Danar> djm62: fat32 doesn't support permissions and things necessary for linux. i call bs. you used a VM or something?
[04:40] <dabaR> bigfoot1: a browser. personally.
[04:40] <eno> yeah I guess
[04:40] <adwait> bigfoot1: in ff, Help>About
[04:40] <hosler> bddebian: I did that and didnt get any output response.
[04:40] <nalioth> Thazza: it's a dead-ringer copy of XP linux desktop mangler
[04:40] <bddebian> hosler: Sorry, that should be "kernel-source-2.6"
[04:40] <hosler> ok
[04:40] <nalioth> Thazza: xpde
[04:40] <djm62> Danar: it's kind of rude to "call bs".  google umsdos
[04:40] <Razor-X> hmmm..
[04:40] <Thazza> nalioth, .com works better
[04:40] <djm62> Danar: and this is #ubuntu, keep the attitude calm :)
[04:40] <BeatYou> bigfoot1: you can setup gmail in a pop3 client, thunderbird for example
[04:40] <p8ntballer100822> anybody need a gmail invite... lol
[04:40] <adwait> !info mozilla-firefox hoary
[04:40] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 8581 kB, Installed size: 24100 kB
[04:40] <nalioth> Thazza: i am somwhat frazzled atm
[04:40] <BeatYou> p8ntballer100822, no thanks, i think 50 is enough for me
[04:41] <Danar> djm62: not rude at all. didn't sound 'coshure' to me, so i called you on it.
[04:41] <bigfoot1> adwait, i use version 1.0.2
[04:41] <hosler> bddebian: Package: kernel-source-2.6.1
[04:41] <hosler> Package: kernel-source-2.6.9
[04:41] <hosler>   Depends: kernel-source-2.6.9 (null)
[04:41] <hosler>   Depends: kernel-source-2.6 (null)
[04:41] <hosler>   Depends: kernel-source-2.6 (null)
[04:41] <hosler>   Depends: kernel-source-2.6.1 (null)
[04:41] <Danar> djm62: no attitude
[04:41] <p8ntballer100822> oh ok
[04:41] <dabaR> how is it optional?
[04:41] <hosler> Package: kernel-source-2.6
[04:41] <Razor-X> support in this channel takes a lot out of you
[04:41] <hosler>   Depends: kernel-source-2.6 (null)
[04:41] <hosler> oops
[04:41] <Thazza> nalioth,  Needing sleep?
[04:41] <bddebian> hosler: Please don't post in here :-)
[04:41] <nalioth> hosler: please dont flood
[04:41] <bigfoot1> BeatYou, but i'd rather use the web version of gmail.
[04:41] <Razor-X> hosler: please do not paste more than 3 lines of output in this channel
[04:41] <Thazza> nalioth,  Or just a trip away.
[04:41] <adwait> bigfoot1: hmm....well i though the mem leak was fixed by that time......<frowns>
[04:41] <hosler> didnt mean to
[04:41] <bddebian> s/post/flood :-)
[04:41] <nalioth> Thazza: i've been in #ubuntu for many hours this week
[04:41] <Razor-X> bddebian: perl or vi? or both? ;)
[04:41] <bigfoot1> BeatYou, are there any benefits of downloading one's gmail onto one's pc, rather than reading/writing on gmail.com+
[04:41] <bigfoot1> ?
[04:41] <djm62> Danar: well, I'm sure you've googled it now.  for any purpose I can think of FAT32 is common to both, but sadly crippled :-/
[04:42] <BeatYou> bigfoot1, not to me, i use the browser version as well
[04:42] <bddebian> Razor-X: Neither :-)
[04:42] <Razor-X> djm62: it's a tad bit worse than ext2
[04:42] <Danar> djm62: yep. clever hack.
[04:42] <bigfoot1> BeatYou, so what do you use to be notified of new email?
[04:42] <Razor-X> bddebian: then why the stereotypical usage of vi/perl regular expressions?
[04:42] <Thazza> nalioth,  That XP clone looks good.. now if i could just work out how to run MYOB on linux.. and i could convert someone else i know.
[04:42] <djm62> Razor-X: that's why I don't use it ;)
[04:42] <nalioth> bigfoot1: are you on broadband?
[04:42] <bigfoot1> what does any gmail user in this chatroom use to be notified of new email in their gmail acconut?
[04:42] <MidNightRaVeN> dude... i can't get the backports to work... i can't get it to reload cuz i keep getting an error that it couldn't download the repository...
[04:42] <bigfoot1> nalioth, yes, i a m.
[04:42] <p8ntballer100822> Download file 63 of 470......
[04:42] <nalioth> Thazza: wine, or cedega
[04:42] <BeatYou> bigfoot1, i only run ubuntu for server, i run everything else (including gmail notifier) in windows
[04:42] <bddebian> Razor-X: Oh, that.. That's hangovers from the antiquated vi days.. :-)
[04:42] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: join ##apple
[04:42] <bigfoot1> BeatYou, windows OS?
[04:43] <Razor-X> bddebian: as I thought ;)
[04:43] <ega> oooo
[04:43] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: what's there?
[04:43] <Razor-X> i'm an emacs user, no s/'s for me ;)
[04:43] <bddebian> heh
[04:43] <BeatYou> bigfoot1: XP ?
[04:43] <nalioth> bigfoot1: then it matters only to you whether you d/l your gmail or use the browser
[04:43] <shuziokae> hi
[04:43] <Thazza> nalioth,  Good idea.. except the cost.. lol.. Commerial Business. will research and try at home.
[04:43] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: YOU will be
[04:43] <djm62> wow, I thought it was an ed-ism
[04:43] <bddebian> Hello shuziokae
[04:43] <bigfoot1> nalioth,  i don't understand.
[04:43] <nalioth> Thazza: site license
[04:43] <MidNightRaVeN> nalioth: i know... but why would i want to be there?
[04:44] <dabaR> cause he called you./
[04:44] <nalioth> bigfoot1: if you're on dialup, you might wish to d/l your gmail to a local mail client, so u didnt have to dial up each time to check
[04:44] <p8ntballer100822> i just use the gmail website to view my mail, i setup evolution and i dont like the interface
[04:44] <Danar> Thazza: cost of what?
[04:44] <nalioth> MidNightRaVeN: for HELP, maybe?
[04:44] <bddebian> hosler: Are you sure you aren't running Warty?
[04:44] <hosler> what is a sure way to check?
[04:44] <paul_> does ubuntu support pci-express graphics cards? ati
[04:44] <dabaR> tell him how to check.
[04:44] <Thazza> Danar,  Wine to run MYIOB premier on a 6 machine network.
[04:44] <p8ntballer100822> who here watches aots on g4tv????
[04:45] <bigfoot1> here's my problem: i want to be notified of new gmail, and i do know that there's an applet for the panel. I think it's called new-mail-notification, but after google changed the url, it doesn't work anymore, that's why I'm asking any gmail user here what they use to be notified of new gmail. is there another applet made by ubuntu, gnome, or gtk, or some linux person that does this job?
[04:45] <bddebian> dabaR: I don't know in Ubuntu :-)  I used to just cat /etc/debian_version :-)
[04:45] <Danar> Thazza: then i take it you don't mean cost as in money
[04:45] <dabaR> hosler: same, anyhow, in gnome, System>About ubuntu
[04:45] <dabaR> bddebian: same, hosler: in gnome...
[04:45] <p8ntballer100822> brb
[04:45] <Danar> bigfoot1: the url isn't configurable?
[04:45] <bddebian> dabaR: Breezy is 3.1?
[04:46] <hosler> bddebian: im running the Hoary Hedgehog release
[04:46] <Thazza> Danar,  Well accually i was talking about the cost of money... They are very tight people when it comes to cost. lol.  Should have been how hard it was to convice them to purchase legal copies.
[04:46] <whyameye> I'm trying to use Kino with my firewire videocamera. I can't seem to capture the video. I get from Kino: "WARNING: raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1...
[04:46] <rahmat> hiiii
[04:46] <Danar> Thazza: uh, wine is free
[04:46] <p8ntballer100822> back
[04:46] <bigfoot1> danar, well, new-mail-notification applet has a special section just for gmail users. danar, could you try it on your system?
[04:46] <bddebian> hosler: That is strange, you should at least have 2.6.10
[04:46] <Danar> bigfoot1: not on gnome
[04:46] <dabaR> or even, alt+ctrl+f5 will tell you which version you have
[04:46] <bddebian> hosler: If you do "uname -i" what kernel version are you running currently?
[04:47] <eno> Does anyone dare me to delete vmlinuz?
[04:47] <Thazza> Danar,  Really?? Where? Last i heard it was a charge,.. Bugger you mean i have been looking at wrong place.
[04:47] <bigfoot1> i'm on gnome, danar, are you saying new-mail-notification (NMN) won't work in gnome?
[04:47] <Danar> Thazza: uh, try apt-get install wine
[04:47] <bddebian> eno: Sure, go ahead :-)
[04:47] <dabaR> eno: I dont.
[04:47] <p8ntballer100822> what is this "new mail notification applet" is this for windows  of linux????
[04:47] <Danar> bigfoot1: _i'm_ not on gnome
[04:47] <bddebian> eno: Or better yet "rm -rf /"
[04:47] <Danar> bigfoot1: i'm not even on ubuntu
[04:47] <eno> what does rm -rf do?
[04:47] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, for linux
[04:47] <nalioth> Thazza: cedega-cvs is free
[04:47] <hosler> bddebian: 2.6.10-5-386
[04:47] <eno> do I need the "/"?
[04:48] <nalioth> Thazza: i'd pay for it, tho for the support
[04:48] <Danar> eno: heh. i hope you're joking
[04:48] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: where can i download it
[04:48] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, what do you mean "windows _of_ linux"? did you mean "or"
[04:48] <eno> yes... you called my bluff
[04:48] <Aerebus> Whats the mp3 player of choice around here?
[04:48] <bddebian> hosler: Then you have to be able to get the source.
[04:48] <Thazza> Danar,  www.winehq.com ? Oh bugger i have been as well.
[04:48] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: i meant or
[04:48] <Danar> eno: :)
[04:48] <hosler> bddebian: I looked all over synaptic. Can i get it off of the ubuntu website?
[04:48] <Thazza> Danar,  Will take a look later.. about to go out for pool, and drinks with a mate
[04:48] <bddebian> eno: rm is remove -r means recursive, -f means force. / means from the root directory :-)
[04:48] <seth_k> Aerebus: for Gnome, muine or rhythmbox. for KDE, Amarok. Those are all iTunes-like. For either, beep-media-player (Winamp clone)
[04:48] <whyameye> anybody out there using a videocamera with firewire on ubuntu?
[04:48] <Razor-X> hosler: what're you looking for?
[04:49] <bddebian> hosler: Have you done an update?
[04:49] <dabaR> rm is delete, -r means recursive, so delete any subfolders and everything, -f forces deletion of read only and protected files, / is your root. So, in translation, you would force recursive delete of anything under root.
[04:49] <Razor-X> bddebian: also known as the 'noob virus'
[04:49] <Danar> Thazza: try "apt-get install wine" for wine. there's also cedega, which is not free, but the source is available for you to compile yourself. google cvscedega for that
[04:49] <adwait> hey, is there a way to remove an app, w/o removing all its dependencies?
[04:49] <bddebian> Razor-X: Hehe
[04:49] <Thazza> nalioth,  Will look at that one later.
[04:49] <hosler> Razor-x: the 2.6 kernel source
[04:49] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: so its for linux... can you give me the link to download
[04:49] <hosler> bddebian: yeah
[04:49] <dabaR> fyou bddebian :)
[04:49] <Thazza> Danar, & nalioth
[04:49] <Aerebus> Seth_K, i heard about xmms from a guy at work is that one no good?
[04:49] <Razor-X> hosler: it should be there
[04:49] <dabaR> I wrote the whole thing for nothing.
[04:49] <hosler> ok
[04:49] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, hold on, please. i'm searching. i forgot.
[04:49] <adwait> hey, is there a way to remove an app, w/o removing all its dependencies?
[04:49] <Thazza> Danar, & nalioth : Grr.. Sorry.. Was going to say.. Thanks guys.. :D
[04:49] <seth_k> Aerebus: beep-media-player is an updated xmms, and is better
[04:49] <djm62> Aerebus: xmms is getting outdated
[04:49] <dabaR> I mean, not f you in a bad way, just I wish you a good night, with girls...
[04:49] <bddebian> dabaR: ??
[04:49] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: ok
[04:49] <sunrex> how do i get my CD to play...
[04:50] <eno> bddebian: would that actually remove my root directory?  that doesn't sound like it should be possible
[04:50] <bddebian> dabaR: :-)
[04:50] <p8ntballer100822> xmms looks and feals alot like winamp if you are familiar
[04:50] <nalioth> Aerebus: they are all FREE, try them all, and keep what you like
[04:50] <Danar> Thazza: np :)
[04:50] <eno> what if some bastard hacker did it to me :S
[04:50] <dabaR> it would delete everything on your system
[04:50] <bddebian> eno: That would pretty much remove everything on your diesk
[04:50] <bddebian> disk even
[04:50] <dabaR> ha, this time I beat you.
[04:50] <Danar> Thazza: just remember cvscedega. cedega is better for games
[04:50] <adwait> hehe
[04:50] <nalioth> eno: make sure you know what you are putting "sudo" in front of
[04:50] <p8ntballer100822> Downloading file 105 of 470
[04:50] <eno> so would the system still boot or just go to grub?
[04:50] <sunrex> no sound....no cd working...how do i fix this
[04:50] <nalioth> eno: cuz one press of the <enter> can wipe your system
[04:51] <Danar> Thazza: wine is better for general apps
[04:51] <eno> nalioth: :P
[04:51] <dabaR> it would not boot.
[04:51] <bigfoot1> one thing i liked about fx was the quick search in url bar. For example, if i typed "g ubuntu", it does a search in google.com for ubuntu. i wonder if we can get this feauture onto epihpany or galeon
[04:51] <Thazza> Danar, tar.. not that the office running myob will need to play games. so wine is probaly better
[04:51] <ubuntu_> hello people!
[04:51] <djm62> being in this room makes me think that a shop offering free everything would last a long time before running out
[04:51] <Danar> Thazza: doesn't hurt to get both
[04:51] <dabaR> well, if you had another partition, that was not mounted when you rm, and has an os there, I think it would even boot.
[04:51] <dabaR> ubuntu_: yo!
[04:52] <dabaR> djm62: your logic is flawwed:)
[04:52] <Danar> Thazza: there's a script out there to download, compile & install cvscedega for you. look for that if you get it. wine should be in the repository
[04:52] <nalioth> bigfoot1: galeon has that
[04:52] <dabaR> Danar: he is gone
[04:52] <bigfoot1> nalioth, thanks.
[04:52] <ubuntu_> I am new to ubuntu, don't ignore me please!
[04:52] <Danar> oops
[04:52] <bigfoot1> ubuntu_ hello.
[04:52] <dabaR> ubuntu_: I said yo!
[04:52] <nalioth> ubuntu_: how may we help you?
[04:53] <ubuntu_> ok
[04:53] <mephisto> I'm super green with linux/ubuntu. how do install software that I download?
[04:53] <Danar> ubuntu_: you haven't said much :p
[04:53] <dabaR> how may we assist you on this fine day.
[04:53] <ubuntu_> don't really need help, just excited :)
[04:53] <djm62> dabaR: I was joking...but I bet people's natural suspicion would really come into play
[04:53] <dabaR> mephisto: you should install using apt-get not download...
[04:53] <djm62> ubuntu_: welcome :)
[04:53] <Danar> mephisto: easiest way to install software is via synaptic
[04:53] <dabaR> djm62: ah, yes, tru.
[04:53] <Danar> mephisto: or in the terminal with apt-get
[04:53] <rahmat> hello
[04:53] <nalioth> mephisto: you should use synaptic for installing
[04:53] <dabaR> or synaptic, yes, better for new users.
[04:53] <ubuntu_> i have being using mandrake, it works great for me. I am runing live ubuntu right now.
[04:54] <rahmat> ] p;
[04:54] <mephisto> so I could do sudo apt-get, for example?
[04:54] <dabaR> hey rahmat .
[04:54] <bddebian> apt-get ROCKS
[04:54] <mephisto> why synaptic over apt-get?
[04:54] <Danar> mephisto: yes
[04:54] <bddebian> Hello rahmat
[04:54] <nalioths_dog> mephisto: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:54] <rahmat> hiii
[04:54] <djm62> mephisto: nicer interface
[04:54] <nalioths_dog> mephisto: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:54] <IceDC571> i like aptitude myself
[04:54] <dabaR> mephisto: synaptic is a GUI program,
[04:54] <nalioth> mephisto: synaptic is a frontend for apt-get
[04:54] <Danar> mephisto: it provides a graphical interface and automation for apt-get
[04:54] <Arrogance> I'm getting MD5sum mistaches in 11 files when dist-upgrade Hoary.  Is this a general issue or just me?
[04:54] <rahmat> bddebian?
[04:54] <bddebian> rahmat: Just saying hello
[04:54] <eno> how can I switch to /proc/cpuinfo?
[04:54] <djm62> mephisto: if somebody tells you an apt-get command, you can mentally convert it into synaptic clicks
[04:54] <Razor-X> ok, i'm off to try and install emms
[04:55] <eno> I want to see it!
[04:55] <bddebian> eno: Switch to?
[04:55] <whyameye> no one out there knows anything about 1394 with ubuntu, huh?
[04:55] <rahmat> oooo
[04:55] <eno> with cd!
[04:55] <hajiki> my laptop keeps turning off the screen every few minutes (im on battery) how can i turn that feature off? (i've already disabled it from the screensaver applet)
[04:55] <bddebian> eno: "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[04:55] <adwait> how do i search for a song in beep-media-player?
[04:55] <ubuntu_> with dvd
[04:55] <dabaR> Arrogance: I think you have us. in front of packages.ubuntu.com or whatever it is in sources.list
[04:55] <hosler> Anyone here use winetools?
[04:55] <Arrogance> dabaR, yes
[04:55] <dabaR> remove, try again.
[04:55] <Arrogance> that's bad?
[04:55] <Aerebus> Seth_K, do i need to make a directory for rhythmbox? or will it make its own? i've never installed software in linuxbefore
[04:55] <Arrogance> ok
[04:55] <dabaR> ok.
[04:55] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, found it. it's called mail-notification. it's in the repository.
[04:55] <dabaR> Aerebus: it will do its thing.
[04:55] <eno> thanks again bddebian
[04:55] <seth_k> Aerebus: just go to Synaptic and search for it
[04:55] <djm62> Aerebus: rhythmbox will take care of itself
[04:56] <adwait> somebody?anybody? how do i search a song in beep-media-player?
[04:56] <seth_k> Aerebus: it'll do everything by itself
[04:56] <Go_pLastic> my oss and asla sound fails in p2p but it works in beep mp, im not too good with alsa so im not sure what i can do
[04:56] <dabaR> all software goes in the same folder in linux, some part of it in one o\folder, other parts in other folders,
[04:56] <Go_pLastic> i have a creative live! ls
[04:56] <mephisto> gonna try this stuff out.......will keep ya'll posted: djm62, Danar, nalioth, dabaR, nalioths_dog
[04:56] <eno> bddebian: that's rules!
[04:56] <bddebian> eno: NP
[04:56] <Go_pLastic> adwait, j
[04:56] <bddebian> adwait: Dunno sorry
[04:56] <dabaR> adwait: how do you search for it...
[04:56] <Go_pLastic> adwait, j is the hotkey j=jimp
[04:56] <Danar> mephisto: poke around the ubuntu sites. lots of useful info there
[04:56] <Go_pLastic> adwait, jump lol
[04:56] <adwait> thx
[04:56] <adwait> :)
[04:56] <Go_pLastic> np
[04:56] <Go_pLastic> :P
[04:56] <Aerebus> Seth, its not in Synaptic
[04:56] <hosler> When I use esddsp for programs who dont have esound capabilities the sound is delayed about 3 seconds.   Thanks
[04:57] <bigfoot1> eno, what are you talking about "just rules"?
[04:57] <dabaR> welcome.
[04:57] <bddebian> hosler: Did you find the source?
[04:57] <bddebian> nalioth: Not here man
[04:57] <eno> the cpu info thing is great
[04:57] <eno> It is exciting
[04:57] <hosler> bddebian: nope :(
[04:57] <dabaR> yes, very exciting
[04:57] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: thanks :)
[04:57] <DonL> Thanks for the heads up on beep. Downloading it now.
[04:57] <DonL> Night for now
[04:57] <hajiki> how do i disable m screen from turning off every few minutes
[04:57] <nalioth> bddebian: was tryin to catch mephisto to warn against the 'guide
[04:57] <mephisto6> Danar: working on it....................
[04:58] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, then after installing, it's at menu-->system-->preferences-->mail notification.
[04:58] <dabaR> hajiki: why, like a screen saver thing?
[04:58] <Aerebus> Seth_K, ok i clicked on search and found the file, what button do i press next?
[04:58] <nalioth> mephisto6: you still here?
[04:58] <bddebian> nalioth: Ahh
[04:58] <hajiki> dabaR, my screen keeps going blank, i turned off apm from the screen saver applet but it still keeps turning off
[04:58] <seth_k> Aerebus: check its box, then hit apply
[04:58] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: where is it... you mean synaptic pakage manager.... right?
[04:59] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, yes
[04:59] <dabaR> apm=power management?
[04:59] <bddebian> Heya seth_k
[04:59] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822,do a search for "mail-notification"
[04:59] <seth_k> hiya bddebian
[04:59] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: ok ill install it later im downloading a bunch of stuff there now
[04:59] <djm62> dabaR: acpi is more common these days
[04:59] <seth_k> bddebian: whatcha doing to get ready for next cc meeting?
[04:59] <hajiki> my laptop does not have apm, it's acpi
[04:59] <dabaR> hajiki: are you using gnome?
[04:59] <bddebian> seth_k: I took a shower.. ;-P
[04:59] <djm62> dabaR: but apm is power management too
[05:00] <hajiki> yes i'm using gnome
[05:00] <dabaR> he said apm/
[05:00] <seth_k> :D
[05:00] <dougsk> hajiki, take a look at zxcreensaver-demo and see if your setting the screen to blank System->preferences->Screensaver
[05:00] <dabaR> then, you tried in the System>prefs>Screen saver window?
[05:00] <Go_pLastic> where is the alsa config file?
[05:00] <hosler> When I use esddsp for programs who dont have esound capabilities the sound is delayed about 3 seconds. Is there anyway to fix this?
[05:00] <seth_k> that is an important step bddebian
[05:00] <Aerebus> Seth_K, i dont think were on the same page sorry, i downloaded the sources from the website http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/download.html now i opened synaptic and clicked on search and it found rhythmbox-0.8.8.tar.gz what do i need to do?
[05:01] <bddebian> seth_k: Well I've been trying to help in here, though I'm not sure I am helping any. :-)  I also packaged python-pyrtf but I am getting some weird lintian error
[05:01] <bigfoot1> galeon users: how can we put two toolbars onto the same horizontal area?
[05:01] <nalioth> seth_k: yes, to keep the other cc members from falling off their stools
[05:01] <seth_k> nalioth: indeed
[05:01] <Go_pLastic> where is the alsa config file?
[05:01] <seth_k> Aerebus: you don't need to download anything manually
[05:01] <seth_k> Aerebus: synaptic will do it all for you, just check the box for rhythmbox and hit apply
[05:01] <bddebian> You two wouldn't think that was funny if you could smell my feet right now.. ;-P
[05:01] <regeya> gah.  okay, no lectures about mp3s, please; in rhythmbox, I'm having artists and albums show up, but tracks never show up in the playlist, and rhythmbox is unable to play the mp3s.  gstreamer-mad is installed, and totem is able to play mp3s...hm...wait...
[05:01] <dabaR> bah
[05:01] <Aerebus> Where is it at?
[05:01] <nalioth> bddebian: please be civil
[05:01] <bddebian> Sorry
[05:02] <seth_k> regeya: libmad0
[05:02] <regeya> am I thinking right that totem should be able to read tags, even on evil ol' mp3s...
[05:02] <bddebian> dabaR: Did you get that /msg?
[05:02] <adwait> Go_pLastic: i dunno.......but maybe try /etc/alsa/
[05:02] <regeya> hm.
[05:02] <regeya> seth_k
[05:02] <dabaR> bddebian: irssi, dont know how to see.
[05:02] <dabaR> Ill try. brb
[05:02] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, by the way it's in universe repository.
[05:02] <djm62> Aerebus: it should appear in your menu
[05:02] <p8ntballer100822> bah..... downloading file 173 of 470 cant wait until everything is installed and downloading
[05:02] <hajiki> dougsk, i had not seen that option before (guess i'm blind). thank you
[05:02] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: ok
[05:02] <dabaR> bddebian: what are you talking about?
[05:02] <kaput> what's the best way to contact backport maintainers?
[05:02] <nalioth> dabaR: on your blue bar at the bottom you should see some numbers on the right side
[05:03] <p8ntballer100822> downloaded*
[05:03] <dougsk> hajiki, no worries, at least it's simple enough I can help
[05:03] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, done?
[05:03] <dabaR> kaput: ubuntuforums
[05:03] <bddebian> dabaR: I sent you a private /msg
[05:03] <dabaR> bddebian: yes, I read it.
[05:03] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, all right!
[05:03] <dabaR> please repeat it here in the channel.
[05:03] <bddebian> dabaR: Oh
[05:03] <regeya> seth_k: right, that would be /usr/lib/libmad.so.0.2.1
[05:03] <adwait> regeya: try gstreamer-properties
[05:03] <bddebian> dabaR: It is not for all eyes :-)
[05:03] <kaput> dabaR: i figured so...i tried reporting a bug there, but can't seem to get a response...
[05:03] <linuxpoet> Is there any Vampire packages out there in the Ubuntu-verse?
[05:03] <dabaR> bddebian: then it is a lie.:)
[05:03] <adwait> regeya: set it to use ALSA/ESD
[05:03] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: done...? with what?
[05:03] <bddebian> dabaR: Bah
[05:03] <bigfoot1> p8ntballer100822, you said "downloaded"
[05:04] <regeya> set for alsa
[05:04] <nalioth> bddebian: wow are you lying?
[05:04] <dabaR> kaput: a contact us link on backports.ubuntuforums.org?
[05:04] <adwait> regeya: any luck now?
[05:04] <kaput> dabaR: looked for one, but maybe i overlooked it...i'll try again...just a sec
[05:04] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: i said cant wait until<< it is downloaded
[05:04] <Aerebus> Seth_K ok i found it ;p it has a green square next to it, when i click on that square the only options it pops up are mark for reinstallation, mark for removal, mark for complete removal
[05:04] <nalioth> bddebian: what are you lying about?
[05:04] <seth_k> Aerebus: then it's already installed
[05:04] <dabaR> nalioth: his /msg was: you seem to be helping a lot in the channel, are you interested in joining the ubuntu helper community...:-/
[05:04] <seth_k> Aerebus: it's in your applications menu > multimedia > music player
[05:05] <Aerebus> its not under applications?
[05:05] <nalioth> dabaR: so are you?
[05:05] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: im talking about all the files that i got from the universe though, not the mail notifer
[05:05] <adwait> seth_k same thing
[05:05] <dabaR> Aerebus: it is isntalled with ubuntu
[05:05] <dabaR> rhytmbox is.
[05:05] <regeya> adwait...let me try again...gstreamer seems to be able to play mp3s.  the artists and albums show up in rhythmbox.  I can play the mp3s in totem.  but they never show up in the playlist in rhythmbox when I import 'em and rhythmbox bravely refuses to play them.  but it seems to be the only app so affected.
[05:05] <adwait> Aerebus: : same thing
[05:05] <p8ntballer100822> bigfoot1: i am going to download that later
[05:05] <bddebian> Bah, I need a smoke
[05:05] <dabaR> nalioth: what, so he is not just talking nonsense?
[05:05] <hosler> has anyone gotten visual studio 6.0 to work with wine yet?
[05:05] <p8ntballer100822> hey everybody im leaving.....
[05:05] <p8ntballer100822> ttyl
[05:05] <seth_k> adwait: sorry :/
[05:05] <dabaR> see ya
[05:06] <p8ntballer100822> BYE!
[05:06] <bddebian> Do I seem unreliable or something? :-)
[05:06] <dabaR> brb
[05:06] <bddebian> Gnight dabaR
[05:06] <kaput> dabaR: k...found a mailto: ... thanks. :)
[05:06] <regeya> ok
[05:06] <adwait> regeya: i believe totem doesnt use gstreamer.......so the prob should be in gstreamer, try setting gstreamer to use ESD/ALSA/OSS with gstreamer-properties and one of them should work
[05:06] <regeya> bye
[05:06] <regeya> see ya
[05:06] <regeya> hasta
[05:06] <Aerebus> Seth_K "no plugin installed to handle a mp3
[05:06] <hajiki> aifweidersein
[05:06] <squinn> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/powermanagement-interface/powermanagement-interface_0.3.2_i386.deb  Connection failed
[05:06] <squinn> here we go again
[05:06] <hajiki> or something
[05:06] <seth_k> Aerebus: gstreamer0.8-mad i think
[05:06] <regeya> !
[05:06] <ubotu> regeya: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:06] <mephisto6> nalioth: still here. did the apt-get from ubuntu wiki. went well. have to check on installed repositories
[05:06] <regeya> ...
[05:06] <Aerebus> ?
[05:07] <dabaR> squinn: remove us.
[05:07] <Lord> i have only used linux for a short time but am thinking of going to Ubuntu... is it easy for a new user?
[05:07] <BeatYou> err how do i view a README.gz - comes up scrambled in nano
[05:07] <seth_k> Lord: Ubuntu is quite easy
[05:07] <Nefarous> Is there a preferred way to tune which services get started at boot? (i.e. I see messages for LVM and Raid that I assume I don't need)
[05:07] <adwait> Lord: yes
[05:07] <Lord> TY
[05:07] <dabaR> Aerebus: sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-*
[05:07] <dabaR> and enable universe first
[05:07] <nalioth> mephisto6: yes, stay away from ubuntuguide (not all ubuntu sites are friendly)
[05:07] <seth_k> BeatYou: zcat Readme.gz | less
[05:07] <dabaR> !repositories
[05:07] <ubotu> [repositories]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:07] <squinn> dabaR, I know what to do. It's just an "uhhhh..."
[05:07] <dabaR> that page will tell you how.
[05:07] <BeatYou> seth_k thanks
[05:07] <BeefTube> Success!! ubuntu works on my big fat 64bit system now 8)
[05:08] <BeefTube> is there ati drivers automaticaly installed with AMD64 hoary?
[05:08] <dabaR> squinn: ah.
[05:08] <squinn> dabaR, I'm just copying and pasting.
[05:08] <djm62> Lord: this isn't a very neutral room to ask ;) but ubuntu is great
[05:08] <Aerebus> Seth, do i need to relogin to X?
[05:08] <adwait> hehe
[05:08] <regeya> did hoary switch to totem-xine by default, or is adwait wrong?
[05:09] <pink-noob> Hi! :D Is there any way to change the GTK1 theme?
[05:09] <hajiki> !wireless
[05:09] <ubotu> somebody said wireless was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:09] <mephisto6> nalioth: noted......
[05:09] <Lord> Thank you... tried Xandros and like it... but have heard about Ubuntu and want to try it.
[05:09] <adwait> regeya: hmm....no answer, but in all likelyhood i might be wrong :)
[05:10] <bigfoot1> hey guys, ubuntu repository has only version 1.01 of mail-notification, but there is a more recent version at http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mail-notification.html. How do i download this updated version. THank you for helping a newbie!
[05:10] <Nefarous> Just got my wireless card working, WG511 ... using ndiswrapper ... didn't have to compile any source either, used the drivers off the CD that came with the card <nifty>
[05:10] <adwait> !info totem hoary
[05:10] <djm62> Lord: will cost you pennies, and the community is generally good
[05:10] <ubotu> totem: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop (dummy package)), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[05:10] <ccc> Lord: i've tried a bunch too... ubuntu is the best i've seen so far.
[05:10] <Lord> i see it is certainly very active :-)
[05:10] <djm62> bigfoot1: while you can get the latest version, there are significant advantages to sticking to standard packages
[05:10] <dabaR> bigfoot1: I would go with the older version, why do you need the new one? try the older one first.
[05:10] <x55> i hate to simply throw a question in here, but could someone direct me to a good thread on enablind dual monitor on a radeon series card?
[05:11] <dabaR> !nvidia
[05:11] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:11] <regeya> adwait: I remember in warty ubuntu-desktop depended on totem-gstreamer.  looks like they have a proper dummy package now.  good.
[05:11] <bigfoot1> dabaR, i'm hoping the newer versions will allow me to check my gmail account.
[05:11] <dabaR> x55: try that url
[05:11] <x55> it saddens me so to see a blank monitor staring at me on my desk
[05:11] <dabaR> bigfoot1: the old one does not?
[05:11] <x55> thank you
[05:11] <bigfoot1> dabaR, well it crashes on me  when i set up gmail on it.
[05:11] <dabaR> welcome
[05:12] <mephisto6> nalioth: here's how I ended after apt-get: Fetched 3226kB in 27s (119kB/s)Reading package lists... Done. How do I find this stuff?
[05:12] <bigfoot1> dabaR, are you a gmailer yourself?
[05:12] <dabaR> bigfoot1: did you notice how nice gnmail is to tell you in the tab, and title bar if new messages are there?
[05:12] <nalioth> mephisto6: use synaptic
[05:12] <dabaR> mephisto6: what did you install?
[05:12] <bigfoot1> dabaR, yes, but i want an audible thing, if possible, or something that will pop up
[05:12] <adwait> regeya: so any luck with rhythmbox?
[05:13] <regeya> not really, no. :-}
[05:13] <x55> so how long has the ubuntu project been running now?
[05:13] <dabaR> bigfoot1: ya, I know what you mean, dunno, sorry.
[05:13] <nalioth> dabaR: have you seen your PM(s)?
[05:13] <dabaR> since 4/10, I mean, that was the first releast.
[05:13] <bigfoot1> dabaR, are you a gmail user?
[05:13] <bigfoot1> nalioth, are you a gmail user?
[05:13] <dabaR> please speak with me in the channel
[05:13] <adwait> hey IceDC571
[05:13] <regeya> I wonder if rhythmbox is barfing on a bad id3 tag or something
[05:13] <dabaR> yes, I am.
[05:13] <bddebian> Holy crap, it's 11:15pm already.. :-(
[05:13] <IceDC571_> adwait: hey
[05:13] <dabaR> to you.
[05:13] <IceDC571_> wiat a minute
[05:13] <nalioth> x55: there is lots of info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:14] <IceDC571> so there i am
[05:14] <IceDC571> i found the window :)
[05:14] <IceDC571> lol
[05:14] <adwait> lol
[05:14] <overture> can anyone help me setup an rsync server?
[05:14] <dabaR> what is it nalioth, there is really a helper community?
[05:14] <Aerebus> Seth_K, i'm still getting there is no codec installed to handle a mp3 file
[05:14] <redx> has anyone else had problems getting the password function in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:14] <dabaR> Aerebus: one more time.
[05:14] <nalioth> dabaR: visit the page, please
[05:15] <x55> so i'm fresh out of windows, still wiping off the linux amniotic fluid, hehehe
[05:15] <redx> to work?
[05:15] <mephisto6> nalioth: dabaR: hold on, just found synaptic and am reloading......
[05:15] <dabaR> Aerebus: enable universe.
[05:15] <dabaR> !repositories
[05:15] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:15] <Lord> x55 me too
[05:15] <nalioth> x55 welcome to freedom
[05:15] <dabaR> that url will etll you.
[05:15] <adwait> cya ppl
[05:15] <Aerebus> dabar, i'm sorry i dont know what you mean
[05:15] <bddebian> Later adwait
[05:15] <x55> i must say, i'm very impressed with the ubuntu community
[05:15] <nalioth> Lord: you have escaped to freedom, also
[05:15] <x55> very exoteric
[05:15] <bddebian> x55: Nice of you to say
[05:15] <dabaR> then, after that, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[05:16] <dabaR> Aerebus: follow the instructions.
[05:16] <djm62> x55: not to mention attractive :D
[05:16] <Lord> yes....less crashing about...:-)
[05:16] <x55> hehehe, agreed
[05:16] <dabaR> enable universe using the URL ubotu gave you, then use that apt-get command to install codecs
[05:16] <bigfoot1> does galeon do mouse gestures?
[05:16] <dabaR> Aerebus: as well.
[05:16] <dabaR> !restrictedformats
[05:16] <ubotu> it has been said that restrictedformats is ""https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats"", or codecs
[05:16] <redx> has anyone gotten the password function to work in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[05:16] <dabaR> read that page.
[05:16] <x55> think it would be beneficial to pick up a Linux for Dummies book?
[05:17] <zenrox> x55,  any linux book
[05:17] <dabaR> tldp.org too
[05:17] <Razor-X> anyone here use erc?
[05:17] <regeya> wheeeeee
[05:17] <IceDC571> hmm... you should read about linux online
[05:17] <bddebian> Razor-X: Not if we can help it :-)
[05:17] <dabaR> does anyone in here use IRC? hehe
[05:17] <nalioth> x55: you can start with www.tldp.org as dabaR mentioned
[05:17] <IceDC571> haha windows for dummies
[05:18] <Razor-X> bddebian: fine, stupid vi man ;)
[05:18] <bddebian> heh
[05:18] <bigfoot1> can i have galeon remember the usernames and passwords i enter in websites?
[05:18] <mephisto6> x55: I got Linux 8in1 desk reference  For Dummies...
[05:18] <IceDC571> bigfoot1: you use galeon? how do you like it?
[05:18] <x55> *sigh*  quitting windows AND smoking in the same week, what a trip, hahaha
[05:18] <bigfoot1> IceDC571, i'm on my first hour.
[05:18] <dabaR> ok, nalioth, top secret, making me /part again...
[05:18] <djm62> x55: if there are magazines in your area, they can be informative and entertaining
[05:18] <Razor-X> x55: the latter should be harder than the former
[05:18] <IceDC571> bigfoot1: can it play embedded media in webpages?
[05:19] <sunrex> how do i get my sound to work !?!
[05:19] <bddebian> x55: You are a bigger person than I.. :-)
[05:19] <nalioth> sunrex: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:19] <Trace> Hello, My sound card seems be driven successfully because teamspeak showes it is ok, but i can not hear any sound!!
[05:19] <bddebian> Darn you..
[05:19] <bigfoot1> IceDC571, give me an example webpage that hase embedded media so that i could find out, please.
[05:19] <Trace> i am sure it is not muted.
[05:19] <redx> I've tried just "Password something" at the start of /boot/grub/menu.lst which is what the websites all told me to do, as well as the examples actually in it... what am I doing wrong?
[05:19] <bigfoot1> IceDC571, what browser do you use?
[05:19] <Trace> how can i check it?
[05:19] <x55> hehehe, well, i haven't entirely quit the smoking, i'm weening myself off
[05:19] <dabaR> sure, Ill join that.
[05:20] <x55> down to one a day, two evil addictions
[05:20] <bigfoot1> how can i have galeon block ads?
[05:20] <x55> haha
[05:20] <Aerebus> dabar, can you plz join #flood?
[05:20] <Danar> x55: might i ask why you're impressed? anything in particular?
[05:20] <Razor-X> gah
[05:20] <dabaR> yes
[05:20] <nalioth> bigfoot1: google "adblock hosts"
[05:20] <x55> with the community?
[05:20] <IceDC571> bigfoot1: firefox.. i dont have an example to remember, hmm..
[05:20] <Trace> or, can anybody tell me how to check whether sound card work well?
[05:20] <bigfoot1> anybody here use "mail-notification"
[05:20] <bigfoot1> ?
[05:20] <bigfoot1> it's an applet.
[05:21] <Razor-X> hmmm
[05:21] <Razor-X> no, not yet -_-
[05:21] <x55> i've been surfing the forums for the past 4 days, its almost got me to where i was on windows, thats why i am impressed, very informative you all are
[05:21] <bigfoot1> x55, thank you.
[05:21] <bigfoot1> x55, please stop flattering me 8-)
[05:21] <bddebian> hehe
[05:22] <Danar> x55: any weak points?
[05:22] <redx> I've tried to add a password to grub, but it just skips it at start up... does anyone know why it does that?
[05:22] <IceDC571> im tempted to install kde, someone help me
[05:22] <x55> hahaha, i'll stop, after all, i still gotta get some 3d support and dual monitor going, we shall see
[05:22] <IceDC571> i'm too bored with gnome and xfce
[05:22] <sunrex> nope...no sound.....i think its my sound card...Sound Blaster LIVE! 24bit
[05:22] <bddebian> IceDC571: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" :-)
[05:22] <nalioth> IceDC571: easy, install "kubuntu-desktop"
[05:22] <djm62> IceDC571: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <IceDC571> sunrex: yep, you have to install the LATEST alsa drivers
[05:23] <IceDC571> no i mean help me get away from thinking of installing kde
[05:23] <x55> the ati driver howto's look a bit intimidating, i should dig into them when i'm a little more alert
[05:23] <sunrex> IceDC571: really were?
[05:23] <dabaR> why the stupid time obligation, though, nalioth ?
[05:23] <dabaR> I dont like obligations.
[05:23] <dabaR> why is it not like, just whatever you can do...
[05:23] <nalioth> dabaR: i didnt set that, and it is a suggestion
[05:23] <dabaR> aha
[05:23] <malakhi> IceDC571: don't do that. nothing works right in KDE. And you can never find the damn options to fix it so that it does work right.
[05:23] <punkrockguy318> What backup programs does ubuntu have available? Or what scripts can I use to backup my system to a disk?
[05:23] <linuxpoet> I am having a problem installing python apps from source (python setup.py install)
[05:23] <nalioth> dabaR: yes, just what you can do, in irc, the wiki, forums, etc
[05:24] <linuxpoet> It says I am missing config/Makefile
[05:24] <linuxpoet> In the redhat world