[12:00] <|QuaD|> hah
[12:00] <Quest-Master> Yes
[12:00] <Matt|> SuSE_UsER, yeah very easy
[12:00] <Quest-Master> It's much better than Suse
[12:00] <Quest-Master> I used Suse before Ubuntu
[12:00] <|QuaD|> SuSE_UsER: i removed suse 3 days after putting it on
[12:00] <Matt|> *laughs* now now
[12:00] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suse
[12:00] <|QuaD|> then put suse on
[12:00] <SuSE_UsER> i want to have more than 1 distro on my pc :)
[12:00] <|QuaD|> how many distros you have?
[12:00] <Matt|> why?
[12:00] <gilligan_> Matt|: i think i found what might be the prob..
[12:01] <Matt|> gilligan_, cool, what?
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Whahay
[12:01] <Matt|> SuSE_UsER, why more than one?
[12:01] <gilligan_> Matt|: libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libwvstreams3-base ... not updated..
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Time to go to Ubuntu forums
[12:01] <SuSE_UsER> Matt|: because i want to test another one distro after mandrake ,suse and knoppix
[12:01] <Matt|> SuSE_UsER, pick one and stick with it is my advice
[12:02] <|QuaD|> SuSE_UsER: imho, pick debian, knoppix or ubuntu
[12:02] <|QuaD|> each has their plus's and minus's
[12:02] <Matt|> meh it doesn't really matter they're all the same
[12:02] <Matt|> they all work
[12:02] <|QuaD|> Matt|: yeah
[12:03] <sjoerd> you can't really compair knoppix and debian or ubuntu..
[12:03] <|QuaD|> sjoerd: why?
[12:03] <SuSE_UsER> well i just want to check more then 3 :0
[12:03] <Matt|> if you stick with one, you stand a chance of actually learning how it works
[12:03] <gumpish> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[12:03] <Matt|> gumpish, wiki, restrictedformats
[12:03] <|QuaD|> SuSE_UsER: i reccomend trying slackware and gentoo if you are looking to learn about the many different ones
[12:03] <sjoerd> |QuaD|: because knoppix is life cd, while the other two are normal distributions
[12:03] <mhess> you know what they say:
[12:04] <|QuaD|> sjoerd: you can install sjoerd
[12:04] <SuSE_UsER> i thought about fedora
[12:04] <mhess> learn red hat and you'll know how to use red hat
[12:04] <mhess> learn Slackware and you'll know how to use linux
[12:04] <sjoerd> |QuaD|: i hope you can't install me :).. Yeah you can install knoppix, but then your using knoppix as your debian installer basically
[12:04] <thoreauputic> SuSE_UsER: I hope the fedora thought passed quickly to /dev/null ;)
[12:04] <Matt|> the variety between distros is really quite minimal once you actuall start understanding how things work.
[12:05] <sjoerd> SuSE_UsER: if you want to try, use them at least for a few monts..
[12:05] <mhess> that's mostly true
[12:05] <|QuaD|> Matt|: yeah
[12:05] <sjoerd> SuSE_UsER: otherwise your just trying the install :)
[12:05] <SuSE_UsER> :)
[12:06] <mhess> SuSE_UsER, LFS
[12:06] <SuSE_UsER> mhess: lfs?
[12:06] <mhess> "Linux From Scratch"
[12:07] <mhess> probably the easiest distro out there
[12:07] <mhess> best installer ever
[12:07] <SuSE_UsER> mhess: im not looking for very easy distro
[12:07] <SuSE_UsER> suse is easy enough
[12:07] <SuSE_UsER> i want to try something different ;)
[12:08] <mhess> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[12:08] <Matt|> SuSE_UsER, try drugs
[12:08] <gilligan_> Matt|: hrm.no..wrong assumption.. gnome still wont start..
[12:08] <mhess> gilligan_, does X start?
[12:08] <Matt|> gilligan_, ok paste me the output of "mount" in a /query
[12:08] <SuSE_UsER> Matt|: :D
[12:08] <gilligan_> mhess: yep.. i can also run wmaker..
[12:09] <mhess> how far does gnome get?
[12:09] <gilligan_> mhess: seen the output i pasted from .xsession-errors above?
[12:09] <mhess> no, Matt| can take care of you i guess ...
[12:09] <gilligan_> mhess: not even to the splash-screen - i think gnome is not even the problem..the problem is somewhere before
[12:09] <Matt|> *grins* i'm not sure I can help
[12:09] <Matt|> but we'll see
[12:10] <gilligan_> Matt|: i dont get how mount should relate to this issue? ;)
[12:10] <gumpish> E: Couldn't find package mplayer-586
[12:10] <Matt|> gilligan_, just on the off chance
[12:10] <gumpish> whoops
[12:10] <Matt|> gumpish, you added the correct repository? You have to read all the way down the wiki
[12:10] <gumpish> nm - skipped to the relevant portion
[12:11] <gilligan_> Matt|: all partitions are mounted just fine hehe.. otherwise the problems would be of very different nature i assume..
[12:11] <Matt|> gilligan_, just humour me
[12:11] <gilligan_> Matt|: ? i dont
[12:11] <Matt|> ok
[12:18] <confrey> anybody using ardour?
[12:18] <mhess> is there a nice apt-y way of installing gDesklets?
[12:18] <|QuaD|> apt-get install gDesklets-data
[12:18] <mhess> what repos?
[12:18] <|QuaD|> no idea
[12:18] <|QuaD|> universe?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> |QuaD|: that package is all lower-case ( gdesklets-data)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> there is also a gdesklets package
[12:18] <|QuaD|> ohh :)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> which conflicts with the *-data one
[12:18] <|QuaD|> thoreauputic: not on mine
[12:18] <|QuaD|> thoreauputic: mine had gdesklets as the app data was the applets
[12:18] <|QuaD|> thoreauputic: when you apt-get gdesklets-data it add gdesklets
[12:18] <thoreauputic> hmm... ok well I'm currently on Debian, so just ignore me :)
[12:19] <|QuaD|> oh :)
[12:21] <sm> hi all
[12:21] <zapada> hi
[12:21] <sm> does anyone know what part of the system sets up the /dev/cdrom symlinks ?
[12:22] <sm> I have /dev/hda but not the symlinks, and cd events aren't working
[12:22] <njan> sm, what distro are you running and what are you trying to do?
[12:23] <njan> sm, I'm stupid. I didn't realise this was #ubuntu
[12:23] <njan> please excuse me whilst I stab myself in the face.
[12:23] <sm> please don't go that far :)
[12:23] <sm> I'm running hoary, upgraded from knoppix->sid->...
[12:23] <njan> I've been staring at obfuscated C code for about the last 2 hours and I'm in ~two dozen irc channels, so I have an excuse :p
[12:24] <sm> as a result I had some trouble with cd access, had to add ide-cd to /etc/modules
[12:26] <sm> I thought /etc/init.d/udev restart might create them via /etc/udev/cdsymlinks.sh.. but no
[12:26] <netmonk> can someone tell me why i can play mp3 with xmms but when I try to add folders to Music Player, it tells me: "There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[12:27] <Matt|> netmonk, you need gstreamer0.8 and plugins
[12:27] <netmonk> will synaptic do the job, Matt|?
[12:27] <Matt|> gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:27] <Matt|> netmonk, if you find em yeah
[12:28] <net> hello, i am using nautilus for network browsing, but when i attempt to open a share it says it has a wrong file assosiation?  says its a desktop config file
[12:29] <net> has anyone seen this before?
[12:30] <bpd1069> How do I create loop devices in /dev?  I tried ./MAKEDEV -v loop, it appears the devices were created but I do not see them in /dev...   what am I missing here?
[12:30] <Matt|> net, yes it stopped when I removed and readded the connection
[12:30] <Matt|> bpd1069, far as i know you just need it enabled in your kernel and in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:31] <sm> aha! what's this /.dev
[12:31] <net> Matt|, you have seen this?
[12:31] <sm> with more devices, including cdrom
[12:31] <bpd1069> loop# for non-block devices (such as mounting ISO's and such) I do have lo0 for networking...
[12:31] <netmonk> 10x Matt| - it worked! ;)
[12:33] <bpd1069> ok, i must not be understanding something very trivial... thanks for the help
[12:33] <Matt|> net, as I say, happened to me
[12:34] <net> Matt|, what do you propose i do?
[12:34] <Matt|> net, remove and readd the connection
[12:34] <Matt|> rightclick-->unmount
[12:34] <Matt|> file menu in nautilus --> connect to server
[12:35] <net> this happens before a mount, when i initially connect to server
[12:35] <Matt|> net, when you click on the shortcut on the desktop?
[12:35] <net> Matt|, btw, i appreciate any help :)
[12:36] <net> no dhortcut on desktop, this is through computer->network
[12:36] <Matt|> oh
[12:36] <net> then i browse the neighborhood
[12:36] <bpd1069> bah...  found the problem...  the loop module was not loaded...  modprobe loop created the devices automatically...
[12:36] <Matt|> net, have you restarted nautilus?
[12:36] <net> when i see the server and try to initially connect, i get that error
[12:36] <net> ive rebooted oodles of times, does that count?
[12:36] <Ribs> how do I install a .deb package I have downloaded?
[12:36] <Matt|> net, yes
[12:36] <Matt|> Ribs, dpkg -i package
[12:36] <Ribs> thanks
[12:36] <net> it seems weird
[12:36] <Matt|> net, hmm
[12:37] <net> i am now looking into manually smbmount and see if it wotrks
[12:37] <Ribs> dpkg: error processing point2play_1.3.2_i386.deb (--install):
[12:37] <Ribs>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[12:37] <Ribs> bah
[12:37] <Ribs> can I override that?
[12:37] <Matt|> Ribs, no don't do that
[12:37] <Ribs> How do I install this software then?
[12:38] <Matt|> get it for your architecture? if it exists
[12:38] <scizzo> Ribs: you need to find the correct arch
[12:38] <Matt|> Ribs, not sure I'm afrad
[12:38] <Ribs> point2play works fine on amd64
[12:38] <net> Matt|, do you have any other ideas on my nautilus issues?
[12:38] <scizzo> Ribs: its a binary package
[12:38] <Ribs> it just happens to only be avaible in i386
[12:39] <scizzo> Ribs: compiled to be used on i386 machines
[12:39] <Ribs> scizzo: I know.
[12:39] <scizzo> Ribs: compile it on your own then
[12:39] <Matt|> net, it sounds really similar to the problem I had before. When i unmounted the connection and restarted it worked, but I don't know how you would do that with your problem.
[12:39] <Ribs> scizzo: I can't. It's a commerical program.
[12:39] <scizzo> Ribs: if there is no amd64 binary package then it is hard to get it working
[12:39] <Ribs> scizzo: It worked perfectly in Gentoo and Fedora
[12:39] <Ribs> so I don't see why it shouldn't here.
[12:39] <Matt|> Ribs, in gentoo you would have compiled it on your own
[12:39] <Ribs> no, it's a binary package
[12:40] <Ribs> The source isn't avalible
[12:40] <Matt|> for i386?
[12:40] <scizzo> Ribs: gentoo compiles it to follow the arch you have...fedora had a binary package that is compiled against the arch
[12:40] <Ribs> scizzo: No
[12:40] <Ribs> It's a binary package, only avaible for x86
[12:40] <Ribs> BUT... it works fine on amd64
[12:41] <Matt|> Ribs, then install it at your own risk. Force it if you like. The man page will tell you how, or dpkg -h
[12:41] <Ribs> So it can be forced?
[12:41] <Matt|> Ribs, you did it in gentoo and fedora didn't you?
[12:41] <Matt|> you must have forced it then too
[12:42] <net> Matt|, smbmount worked!!
[12:42] <net> thanks!
[12:42] <Matt|> net, i didn't do anything, you found the solution ;)
[12:42] <net> now i can listen to music once again
[12:42] <Matt|> glad tho
[12:43] <Ribs> Matt|: not really
[12:43] <Ribs> gentoo was just emerge point2play
[12:43] <Matt|> ???
[12:43] <net> Matt|, how difficult will it be to make this smbmount permanent?
[12:43] <Matt|> net, fraid I don't know. perhaps it will always work now
[12:44] <Matt|> Ribs, [ebuild  N F  ]  app-emulation/point2play-1.3.2
[12:44] <gilligan_> Matt|: problem solved.. /tmp r/w privileges were wrong.. no idea what scipt altered that tho..
[12:44] <Matt|> *grins*
[12:44] <Matt|> kewl
[12:45] <thoreauputic> net: you need an entry in /etc/fstab ( don't know the syntax for smb though, sorry)
[12:45] <gilligan_> Matt|: as for your *grin* - that is in no way related to the ro switch in fstab ;)
[12:45] <net> no mp3 support?
[12:46] <TRA_MasterChief> um....hi is anyone here?
[12:46] <Matt|> yep
[12:46] <scizzo> yes
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> is this the ubuntu linux irc chat room?
[12:47] <Matt|> yes
[12:47] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[12:47] <Matt|> ask away
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> cool
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> hahaha
[12:47] <Matt|> goddammit
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> i have an iBook G3 366mhz Camshell laptop
[12:47] <net> anyone know how to add mp3 support for rhythmbox?
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> its os is shot
[12:48] <Matt|> net, wiki, restricted formats (see topic)
[12:48] <net> ok
[12:48] <TRA_MasterChief> id like to try linux on it but im not sure what to do other than buy a linux cd set off ebay
[12:49] <net> Matt|, thats it
[12:49] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, do you have a good net connection?
[12:49] <Matt|> and a cd burner?
[12:49] <TRA_MasterChief> sorry im on dial up, i would have downloaded it cause i have a brand spanking new cd burrner
[12:49] <Matt|> :)
[12:49] <TRA_MasterChief> but it would take a month...lol
[12:49] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, ubuntu cds are free but it will take a while
[12:50] <billytwowilly> I'm having nfs difficulties. Mounting is slow or returns this error: RPC timeout. ssh is also really slow to the server. Any ideas what could be wrong with the server and/or the network?
[12:50] <TRA_MasterChief> i found one on ebay and all u pay is shiping and a small fee... dosent matter to me its way cheaper than mac or windows
[12:50] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, ubuntu will even pay the shipping ;)
[12:51] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: you have portmap installed and running?
[12:51] <TRA_MasterChief> thats ok i looked into it and it said that nov 12 was last day to sign up
[12:51] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, I believe so. I'll ssh into the server and find out
[12:51] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, that has been extended i believe
[12:51] <TRA_MasterChief> oooo...k
[12:51] <Matt|> see the topic :)
[12:52] <TRA_MasterChief> where at?
[12:52] <Matt|> order a few and distribute them to friends
[12:52] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, *grins* the topic of this channel
[12:52] <Matt|> at the top
[12:52] <TRA_MasterChief> ahhhh
[12:52] <TRA_MasterChief> cool
[12:52] <TRA_MasterChief> one more thing
[12:53] <TRA_MasterChief> my laptop wont start up at all its got a serious os failure, will it like start up if i put the ubuntu cd in?
[12:53] <billytwowilly> TRA_MasterChief,  2836 ?        00:00:00 portmap
[12:53] <billytwowilly> err.
[12:53] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic,  2836 ?        00:00:00 portmap
[12:53] <billytwowilly> TRA_MasterChief, sorry, nm;)
[12:53] <TRA_MasterChief> np
[12:53] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, yeah as long as the hardware is all working and you can boot from cd
[12:54] <ficusplanet> In hoary, with gnome-app-install replace synaptic or just be supplemental to it?
[12:54] <Matt|> gosh i haven't even seen that
[12:54] <Matt|> ficusplanet, guess you can use either tho
[12:55] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: looks like it's there then
[12:55] <TRA_MasterChief> hold on ill brb ill tell u what it does, it shouldnt matter though
[12:56] <StevenR> will i be able to install ubuntu on a pI 233 mmx laptop with 32mb ram and 3.2gb disk?
[12:56] <osiris_22> hey how do i install a .deb file?
[12:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> StevenR: you can do it
[12:57] <far_away> dpkg -i file-here
[12:57] <sjoerd> osiris_22: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[12:57] <Neill> osiris_22: dpkg -i file.deb
[12:57] <mjr> StevenR, hmh, probably be able to
[12:57] <TRA_MasterChief> wow i got a desktop version of that
[12:57] <osiris_22> thanks
[12:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> StevenR: it would not run well
[12:57] <Matt|> StevenR, it won't work very well
[12:57] <mjr> you don't want to use gnome with 32 megs...
[12:57] <Matt|> :)
[12:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> 32mb ram is ... not very much
[12:57] <Matt|> my gf pc has those specs
[12:57] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, any other ideas?
[12:57] <StevenR> it's only as an experiment, i dont want to wreck my main box
[12:57] <JDahl> StevenR, 3.2Gb is also pushing it, I think
[12:57] <Matt|> it struggles with win98 tbh
[12:58] <mjr> a 32 meg box makes a fine X terminal ;)
[12:58] <StevenR> speed is not important, and there wont be any user data
[12:58] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, It's not just nfs, ssh is also slow. I'm on a home network being routed through a wrt54G linksys router with the latest sveasoft firmware.
[12:58] <Matt|> StevenR, what are you gonna use it for?
[12:58] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, Worked great with suse..
[12:58] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: umm.. run rpcinfo -p on that server and you should get a whole bunch of stuff
[12:58] <StevenR> learing about ubuntu, to see if i like it
[12:58] <TRA_MasterChief> it says "system error occured, segment loader error" ... nothing works, will that affect booting from a cd, or the ubuntu cd?
[12:58] <roderickbhall> help - anyone know about getting WLAN to work on an IBM T40 with Gnoppix.  MADWifi driver is available for the Atheros chipset but no idea how to compile the driver into the kernel of a Gnoppix boot disk.
[12:59] <Matt|> ficusplanet, omg can't see that replacing synaptic
[12:59] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, yah, lots of stuff. Whole bunch of mountd, nlockmgn, nfs, status, sgi_fam and portmapper
[12:59] <Matt|> roderickbhall, i don't think it can be done
[12:59] <Matt|> roderickbhall, but i'm willing to be proved wrong
[12:59] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: yup that sounds right :/
[01:00] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: your host.allow and hosts.deny are configured?
[01:00] <roderickbhall> when i look at the device manager it shows the WLAN device.  does that mean that a driver is working or just that the system knows the device is there?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> *hosts.allow
[01:01] <Matt|> roderickbhall, sounds like it is working. can you see it if you type "ifconfig"?
[01:01] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, hosts.allow doesn't have anytyhing  in it that isn't commented out.
[01:02] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: that could be the problem
[01:02] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, how would I allow everyone on the local network?
[01:02] <Matt|> 192.168.*/
[01:02] <TRA_MasterChief> did anyone see my last chat above about the error i have?
[01:02] <Matt|> whoops
[01:02] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, yes
[01:02] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: hang on I'll find you a link for nfs setup
[01:02] <TRA_MasterChief> sorry for that.....
[01:03] <roderickbhall> Matt - no, only the fixed ethernet device eth0
[01:03] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html
[01:04] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: that's what I used
[01:04] <Matt|> roderickbhall, try "ifconfig -a"
[01:04] <miausX> hi! :)
[01:05] <roderickbhall> nope
[01:06] <Matt|> roderickbhall, not sure then, looks like it isn't working. Perhaps it needs firmware which you might be able to supply on disk or something
[01:06] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: your host.allow should have portmap, lockd, rquotad, mountd, statd  ... and you shoould configure hosts.deny as well
[01:06] <TRA_MasterChief> is that a yes u saw my chat or yes it will affect the cd boot?
[01:06] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, yes i remember the chat
[01:06] <miausX> excuse me, I want to change the default desktop in my Ubuntu, if I use the "custom" option before install (in the boot: line) Ubuntu install only the Debian base system?
[01:07] <TRA_MasterChief> ooo sorry
[01:07] <roderickbhall> Matt - am a linux newbie.  can you tell me what it means that the device shows in the device manager.  where do i go in linux to look at drivers associated with particular devices?
[01:07] <mario> miausX, install the package ubuntu-desktop
[01:08] <miausX> mario: epa, eres espaol? :)
[01:08] <Matt|> roderickbhall, there will probably be a project page for your particular chip, trying doing a search on google?
[01:08] <mario> no Chileno :)
[01:08] <miausX> aha :D
[01:11] <|QuaD|> could i use qemu to run windows?
[01:11] <Nivlem> I need to install automake for a program I am trying to compile...I have versions 1.4 to 1.9...do I need to install any extra for backward compatibility?
[01:12] <Quest-Master> Do you have make and gcc?
[01:12] <|QuaD|> could i use qemu to run windows?
[01:12] <mjr> |QuaD|, yes
[01:12] <|QuaD|> :)
[01:12] <TRA_MasterChief> um so how do i sign up for cd sets of ubuntu?
[01:13] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[01:13] <mjr> (at least some versions, and YMMV)
[01:13] <zapada_> I want my ubuntu CD's!
[01:13] <mjr> you and me both
[01:13] <TRA_MasterChief> lol
[01:13] <net> i am a ubuntu newb,but so far it looks nice
[01:14] <zapada_> I want my ubuntu!
[01:14] <mjr> the uni cs students' lounge could use some borrowable cds :)
[01:14] <Q-FUNK> I want my, I want my, I want my own CD
[01:14] <TRA_MasterChief> id like to get it but i feel invisable here.....
[01:15] <Q-FUNK> moaning for nothing and the gnome for free
[01:15] <|QuaD|> mjr trying win 2003 server :)
[01:16] <flam> anyone know how to fix so that the kernel doesn't send out loads of messages for usb-storage? i had to disable a couple of log options in syslogd or else my harddrive got filled :/
[01:16] <net> does anyone use ubuntu as a server in production environment?
[01:17] <scizzo> net: ubuntu is not really suggested to be used for server environments....
[01:17] <|QuaD|> net: i consider mine a production environment
[01:17] <scizzo> net: instead use Debian for that
[01:17] <|QuaD|> net: just LOW production
[01:17] <zenwhen_> net, probably yes, but they probably don't irc.
[01:17] <zenwhen_> lol
[01:17] <RuffianSoldier> Hey ShuttlesWorth
[01:17] <net> ok, just wondering
[01:18] <TRA_MasterChief> im new at this whole linux thing, im wondering.. can u use mac cd's and windows cd's on the same computer if u have linux on it?
[01:18] <zapada_> Ok, I ordered ubuntu cds nov 14, and now I check the shipit, and it dosent say shipped yet
[01:18] <thoreauputic> net: for maximum reliability, debian stable ( currently woody, sarge *real soon now*
[01:19] <|QuaD|> i wish we had dreamweaver for linux
[01:19] <eyal> hello @!
[01:19] <TRA_MasterChief> hi
[01:19] <mjr> TRA_MasterChief, yes
[01:19] <TRA_MasterChief> u can?!?!
[01:19] <eyal> can i link to IRC from BROWSER not manually ?
[01:19] <|QuaD|> TRA_MasterChief: but if there are binaries on them, they will only run on their native system
[01:20] <scizzo> |QuaD|: vim and so on works fine as a good html editor
[01:20] <TRA_MasterChief> binariers are?.... im not that good yet...lol
[01:20] <zapada_> Ok, I ordered ubuntu cds nov 14, and now I check the shipit, and it dosent say shipped yet
[01:20] <thoreauputic> eyal: you can get an extension/plugin for firefox to do irc, I believe
[01:20] <scizzo> |QuaD|: but you could try bluefish
[01:20] <|QuaD|> scizzo: i am not a web designer, i program a lot. I ma doing stuff in php and i hate doing the html part of it
[01:20] <|QuaD|> scizzo:
[01:20] <|QuaD|> yeah
[01:21] <sm> sooo.. that /.dev was important after all
[01:21] <eyal> thoreauputic, where can i find something like this ?
[01:21] <sm> I thought it was junk, removed it can't now can't boot
[01:21] <sm> any idea how I might restore it ? I'm running from live cd now
[01:21] <|QuaD|> sm... is your system backed up?
[01:21] <Hikaru79> I ordered my Ubuntu CD's back in October, zapada_, and I *still* haven't gotten them =/
[01:22] <thoreauputic> eyal: https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&numpg=&category=Chat
[01:22] <sm> not .dev
[01:22] <eyal> Hikaru79, download it
[01:22] <eyal> thanks thoreauputic
[01:22] <scizzo> sm: hold on...you removed /dev?
[01:22] <sm> no, I removed /.dev
[01:23] <|QuaD|> i would just do a fresh install
[01:23] <scoon> sm, why not copy it from the live cd ?
[01:23] <scoon> if it is there, that is.
[01:23] <sm> it gives an error
[01:23] <sm> actually, /.dev is empty after booting from live cd
[01:23] <Hikaru79> eyal, I have; I've been using it for a while now; I want pressed CD's because it'll entice all my friends ;)
[01:23] <sm> I tried copying /dev
[01:23] <Ribs> is there anything beyond fsck to fix a borked filesystem?
[01:23] <sm> I'm not sure what is the role of .dev
[01:23] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: i have them ordered too... i want to give them out :)
[01:24] <Hikaru79> :) Yup, same
[01:24] <sm> except that it had the missing cdrom links I've been hunting for...
[01:24] <Hikaru79> If you just tell 'em "Download it" they never will... but give them a nice bright shiny pressed CD and they're sold :)
[01:24] <scoon> sm, it looks like they are what populates /dev
[01:25] <TRA_MasterChief> will ubuntu install if the Mac Os is messed up?
[01:25] <sm> when I was running from hd, /.dev had more entries than /dev
[01:25] <|QuaD|> TRA_MasterChief: define messed up
[01:25] <sm> and I had a warning during boot about .udev.tdb already existing
[01:25] <scoon> sm, yeah, it looks like it has every thing that could be a device
[01:25] <sm> I see
[01:26] <TRA_MasterChief> it says "system error occured, segment loader error" ... it wont boot at all and it gives u a reboot button.
[01:27] <|QuaD|> so thats macOS thats screwed up, nigth the comp, right?
[01:27] <TRA_MasterChief> the hardware is fine it all works
[01:27] <paulproteus> I'd run a memory tester to make sure; but I don't know of any for powerpc.
[01:27] <TRA_MasterChief> right, the comp is in great condition, its an iBook G3 366mhz Camshell laptop
[01:28] <sm> thx
[01:28] <TRA_MasterChief> it used to work untill it started having extension failures then this last error occured and i could do nothing, pluss i dont have an os disc, i want to try linux
[01:28] <paulproteus> TRA_MasterChief: It's really easy to install Ubuntu if you are going to not install Mac OS.
[01:29] <TRA_MasterChief> yea, i dont like the mac os, i want it GONE
[01:29] <TRA_MasterChief> pluse linux is alot cheaper
[01:29] <TRA_MasterChief> plus*
[01:29] <|QuaD|> TRA_MasterChief: :) i like the price of ubuntu
[01:29] <TRA_MasterChief> me too
[01:30] <TRA_MasterChief> so it would probably work
[01:31] <TRA_MasterChief> i want to format the hard drive and delete everything.. can u do that if the os is messed up and then u put the ubuntu cd in
[01:31] <TRA_MasterChief> ???
[01:32] <RuffianSoldier> lilllllllll
[01:34] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, yes
[01:34] <egon_spe1gler> TRA_MasterChief: Ubuntu has a drive formatting section upon install, you just need to specify partition to format and filesystem to use
[01:35] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, you need to be able to boot from cd, which you can probably do
[01:35] <thoreauputic_> hmm.. trying out the extension for firefox/chatzilla - looks pretty cool :)
[01:35] <sm> back with more questions
[01:37] <sm> why does root=myhdpartition have no effect on the live cd ? when running from live cd, is there a way to remove the cd so I can burn another ? how do I persist settings from one live cd run to the next ?
[01:37] <TRA_MasterChief> cds worked before it went to crap...
[01:37] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, that will be fine
[01:37] <TRA_MasterChief> cool
[01:38] <TRA_MasterChief> well if it works good i might get me a copy for my windows computer too
[01:38] <TRA_MasterChief> i hate windows ME
[01:38] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, your computer bios specifies the order that the computer will look to boot something: normally it will try the cd drive first, then the harddisk. So that OS problem will not affect your ability to boot from cd
[01:38] <TRA_MasterChief> yea, thats how my windows comp boots, its just i could never get to the bios to see if i could ever change that , but ur right
[01:39] <TRA_MasterChief> lol it dosent even have a floppy drive
[01:39] <Matt|> lots of laptops dont have em
[01:39] <Matt|> nowaways..
[01:40] <TRA_MasterChief> yea, now we have flash drives... i love those things, i got a 128 mb stick and it comes in handy
[01:40] <TRA_MasterChief> so what are the advantages to useing a linux based os?
[01:41] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, no viruses and spyware is one
[01:42] <Matt|> also see www.opensource.org
[01:42] <TRA_MasterChief> oh thank god, i have so many problems with that on my windows pc
[01:42] <Seq> anybody know if there is a nice gvm equivalant for non-graphical systems?
[01:42] <TRA_MasterChief> i got ad aware and spyblocker ... i wish i didnt need them
[01:43] <JStrike> I never had a virus when I ran Windows. Dont really think that is a feature of linux
[01:43] <defendguin> JStrike: sure it is
[01:43] <Seq> TRA_MasterChief: on a windows system, if you're using firefox and use a firewall (and assuming you dont download shady looking software) you shouldnt need them
[01:43] <JStrike> TRA_MasterChief : Faster pace of development is one of the main advantages
[01:43] <Matt|> JStrike, sure it is. People don't write viruses for linux
[01:43] <defendguin> JStrike: you cant run a windows pc and browse the web without picking up sspyware
[01:44] <TRA_MasterChief> i cant delete them fast enough
[01:44] <JStrike> Matt| : Not yet. But as I said, I used windows from 3.1 - win98 and never got a virus
[01:44] <Seq> defendguin: yes you can, just don't use ie. switching my family to firefox has drastically dropped "come over for dinner" calls
[01:45] <TRA_MasterChief> i have reinstalled windows, and fixed it so many times i want to break the disc....
[01:45] <Matt|> JStrike, fine. But others have had em
[01:45] <TRA_MasterChief> i use earthlink and the popup blocker is awsome , but i still get adware and spyware
[01:45] <Marble2> gar
[01:45] <Marble2> I need a little help
[01:45] <Marble2> using the normal install CD, I go through the process, and get the the partition screen, and then I get all confused
[01:46] <defendguin> Seq: firefox lessens them but not completely
[01:46] <Marble2> what do I need to do so that I have ubuntu install to a certain partition, and not touch the others
[01:46] <Marble2> it always tells me there I have no root directory selected
[01:46] <Seq> defendguin: i haven't had a single problem with anybody using firefox. granted, i havent gone to look, but i would have expected to be whined at since i installed it initially
[01:47] <TRA_MasterChief> so is ubuntu the newest linux version?
[01:47] <Seq> Marble2: tell it not to touch the other partitions, select the partition you want to install it to, and select a filesystem type
[01:48] <Marble2> what type
[01:48] <Marble2> NTFS is not listed
[01:48] <Marble2> just some weird shit + FAT
[01:48] <padlefot> hi
[01:48] <Muskrat> ubuntu vs gentoo, which features make one or the other better?
[01:48] <Matt|> Muskrat, come off it
[01:48] <far_away> Does ubuntu have some problem with eth0 and eth1 working at the same time?
[01:48] <Muskrat> ?
[01:48] <padlefot> I am very new to linux, and have som issues..
[01:48] <padlefot> could anyone help me?
[01:48] <Seq> Marble2: well those are linux filesystems (except fat, which you shouldnt be able to use as your base partition for a linux system anyway)
[01:48] <thoreauputic_> heh - the  chatzilla extension for firefox is really quite nice - and only a 230KB download. I'm impressed
[01:48] <Matt|> padlefot, sure
[01:49] <Marble2> Seq: Which one do you reccomend?
[01:49] <Seq> Marble2: stick with ext3
[01:49] <Marble2> ok
[01:49] <padlefot> Matt|: I Installed Ubuntu with GRUB, and got Error 18 when rebooting
[01:49] <RuffianSoldier> Marble2, ya ext3 rocks
[01:49] <Marble2> what about the thing where I choose to format, do not touch, etc
[01:49] <Marble2> for that partiton
[01:49] <padlefot> then i tried installing with LILO and it didnt wanna let me..
[01:49] <Marble2> what should I select?
[01:49] <Matt|> padlefot, not sure what error 18 means
[01:49] <Seq> you would want to tell it to format your new partition, and BE SURE to tell it not to touch your old windows partition
[01:49] <Marble2> ok
[01:50] <Marble2> er
[01:50] <Marble2> wtf
[01:50] <Marble2> the partition is gone
[01:50] <Marble2> I can't see it in windows
[01:50] <Marble2> it was empty, but now it's not there
[01:50] <padlefot> it says grub cant be installed under /target/., and the install program asks me if i want to continue anyways
[01:50] <Seq> Marble2: what do you mean?
[01:50] <Matt|> padlefot, sorry not sure
[01:50] <|QuaD|> hey, have you guys seen: http://www.FreeDesktopPC.com/?r=9334743 it gets you a free pc
[01:50] <Marble2> the partition
[01:50] <Marble2> that I was going to install ubuntu on
[01:50] <Marble2> it won't show up in windows any more
[01:51] <Seq> Marble2: what partitions are listed?
[01:51] <Matt|> |QuaD|, don't do that
[01:51] <Marble2> C: G: H: and F:
[01:51] <cardador> Marble2: windows dont support ext3
[01:51] <jpe> anyone know how to set up hibernation on a laptop?
[01:51] <Seq> |QuaD|: i'm not going to harvest addresses for them :)
[01:51] <padlefot> Matt|: I think i have some issues with the partitions
[01:51] <Marble2> i must have formatted the partition on accident
[01:51] <Marble2> oh well, it was empty so meh, I'll go try again in ubuntu
[01:51] <|QuaD|> Seq: :)
[01:51] <Matt|> jpe, in the wiki look for acpi or suspend
[01:51] <Seq> Marble2: linux partitions wont show up in windows. only ntfs, fat (and maybe a few select others) will
[01:52] <Marble2> I probably formatted it on accident
[01:52] <Marble2> shrug
[01:52] <Marble2> ok thanks
[01:52] <Marble2> going to try another install
[01:52] <padlefot> i cant install either GRUB or LILO, still it worked 100% fine in slackware..
[01:52] <padlefot> :P
[01:53] <padlefot> how should i setup my partitions?
[01:53] <TRA_MasterChief> well matt, quad and others who helped me thank you so much.  when i get my copy, and if i have other questions, im coming here.
[01:53] <TRA_MasterChief> have a good night, bye.
[01:56] <far_away> can someone pleae help me with an ssh question?
[01:56] <mp_> hi... in the middle of an Ubuntu install and it asks: "Device for bootloader installation", but I want to keep my current Grub on another drive.
[01:56] <far_away> I have sshd running at my homebox, but when I try to ssh to it, i get nothing...
[01:57] <palle1> where can i get glib 2.0+ ?
[01:57] <housetier> fabbione does your homebox' firewall accept connections on port 22
[01:57] <mp_> google has turned up this, so far: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2894.html
[01:58] <mp_> can ubuntu not be installed without installing grub?
[01:58] <mp_> perhaps defined earlier in the process?
[01:58] <jpe> Matt, I am using the 2.6.9 kernels from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops; would it be better to compile 2.6.8?
[01:59] <far_away> housetier, i presume that was me you were talking to, thanks , well, i have not setup a firewall or anything
[01:59] <Matt|> jpe, have you followed the instructions on the wiki page for that custom kernel?
[01:59] <padlefot> how do I install lilo or grub to master boot sector?
[01:59] <housetier> far_away yes I meant to talk to you :)
[01:59] <heero17> hola
[01:59] <heero17> :D
[01:59] <far_away> housetier, i have openssh-server installed and all that
[01:59] <housetier> far_away whats the hostname?
[02:00] <heero17> hello
[02:00] <jpe> Matt, not yet; I guess I'll try that now
[02:00] <heero17> long life ubuntu :)
[02:00] <padlefot> instead of HDA1 or whats it called
[02:00] <far_away> housetier: ubuntu.ath.cx
[02:00] <housetier> far_away can you ssh to stan.kicks-ass.net from where you are now?
[02:00] <far_away> housetier, yes, it asks me the yes/no question
[02:01] <far_away> housetier, is there something i need to do to explicitly accept incoming connections on port 22?
[02:01] <mdke> far_away, is this a local network box?
[02:01] <housetier> far_away well it seems the host isnt reachable at all
[02:01] <mdke> you got a router?
[02:02] <mp_> so, no ubuntu without grub then?
[02:02] <far_away> mdke, yeah, running at home... i have a cable connection, a wireless router and a wireless card on the amd machine
[02:02] <Symbolix> I am using floppies to install Ubuntu. Whenever I try to load kernels from the cd, the installer states that the kernel and the installer are not compatible versions. Do I need to dl diff floppy imgs?
[02:03] <housetier> far_away are you sure the host can be accessed from the outside?
[02:03] <mdke> far_away, you need to forward connections to the right computer by configuring your router, have you done that?
[02:03] <padlefot> anybody else having problems with grub here?
[02:03] <far_away> housetier, mdke, is there a way I can test if it is? i will when I get home...
[02:04] <mdke> far_away, well you would know about it if you had done it
[02:04] <far_away> when I was home, I tried to access my desktop thru ssh from my laptop, and it still did not work
[02:04] <TonyK> Did the install of Warty install the C compiler.  I can't seem to find it.
[02:04] <mdke> far_away, what did you type to try and connect from home?
[02:04] <far_away> mdke, ssh <ip address>
[02:04] <mdke> far_away, local network ip address?
[02:05] <padlefot> try opening port 8080 for ssh, it sometimes works
[02:05] <padlefot> ./etc/sshd_config/ elns
[02:05] <far_away> <IP_ADDRESS> -> i got it from a "whats my ip address" website
[02:05] <padlefot> ssh -p 8080
[02:05] <Symbolix> Are there different versions of the debian installer, and which one do I need to download to be compatible with the Ubuntu cd?
[02:05] <mdke> far_away, ok fine
[02:05] <mdke> far_away, what is happening is this:
[02:05] <housetier> padlefot but far_away can use ssh, at least to one of my boxes
[02:05] <padlefot> hmm..
[02:05] <padlefot> strange
[02:06] <theine> Hi, are we likely to see a newer ipw2100 in the official Ubuntu kernel in the near future?
[02:06] <mdke> far_away, the connection comes in from the outside, gets to your router, and doesn't know where to go. you need to set up port forwarding to tell the router to send the connection to your desktop computer where the server is
[02:06] <housetier> I think mdke is going in the right direction, suggesting to check port forwarding
[02:06] <theine> ... ipw2100 driver...
[02:06] <far_away> housetier, mdke, padlefot, the objective was to use irc while at school, i do that thru my hosting shell account, right now :) but i want to figure out what the problem is, since, later, I want to be able to access files on the homebox from school thru ssh
[02:07] <mdke> far_away, do you understand?
[02:07] <far_away> mdke, and how would i start to do that?
[02:07] <|QuaD|> far_away: i am too lazy to read up... whats the problem?
[02:07] <mdke> far_away, your router manufacturer gives you a webpage interface you can connect to
[02:07] <mdke> far_away, you go there and set it up
[02:07] <padlefot> i really need some help here
[02:08] <far_away> mdke, absolutely, yes, okay, now i see what you are getting at -- just like I open up bittorrent services in the night, i will have to open up ssh services, is that it?
[02:08] <|QuaD|> padlefot: whats the problem?
[02:08] <padlefot> Grub loading, please wait...
[02:08] <padlefot> Error 18
[02:08] <far_away> |QuaD|, some arcane ssh stuff - i can't ssh to my box :)
[02:08] <mdke> far_away, correct. You need to set up port 22 to go to your desktop server LOCAL address (which will be something like 192.168.*)
[02:08] <|QuaD|> i am sensing its your firewall
[02:08] <heero17> :)
[02:08] <far_away> mdke, thanks, will try that, right away
[02:08] <mdke> far_away, you will probably only be able to do that from home
[02:08] <Quest-Master> Someone.. please help me ;-; http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7296
[02:09] <padlefot> |QuaD|: I have installed ubuntu, but Grub doesnt wanna work..
[02:09] <padlefot> It may have something to do with me having to install it to the master boot sector
[02:09] <padlefot> but i dont know how
[02:09] <mdke> far_away, to test the server, from your laptop you can type "ssh 192.168.*", substituting the * for the address of your desktop
[02:09] <far_away> thanks, mdke padlefot |QuaD| housetier ...
[02:09] <mdke> yw
[02:09] <housetier> :)
[02:09] <far_away> mdke, i will when I get home...
[02:11] <padlefot> have you just installed the ubuntu as the installer says? or do i have to change some settings to make Lilo/Grub work
[02:12] <Symbolix> Are there different versions of the debian installer, and which one do I need to download to be compatible with the Ubuntu cd?
[02:13] <mdke> does anyone know by any chance how to set firefox to open links in new tab by default with left button, and close tabs by default by clicking on them with left button? I can't find the right option
[02:13] <jdodson> symbolix: there is one debian installer that comes on the cd.
[02:13] <Symbolix> jdod: I know, but im using floppy installation
[02:13] <Symbolix> Whenever I try to load kernels from the cd, the installer states that the kernel and the installer are not compatible versions. Do I need to dl diff floppy imgs?
[02:13] <housetier> mdke edit -> preferences -> tabbed browsing
[02:14] <housetier> "Load links in:"
[02:14] <jdodson> symbolix: oh i see.
[02:14] <mdke> housetier, oh that is simpler than I thought, I was trawling through about:config
[02:14] <mdke> housetier, cheers
[02:14] <|QuaD|> i give up, enough of this bs and stalling... time to go do some work! damn asp.net
[02:14] <Symbolix> jodo: Yeah, i have dl'd several images, none work
[02:14] <far_away> mdke there used to be an extension that did what you wanted
[02:15] <housetier> Symbolix you can try to boot from floppy wiht the smart bootmanager, which then can "boot" your cdrom
[02:15] <jdodson> symbolix: yeah i would give that a try.
[02:15] <housetier> Symbolix I have used the smart bootmanager on systems that can't boot from cd
[02:15] <Symbolix> Elaborate: boot manager?
[02:16] <mdke> housetier, actually i don't think the preferences do what I described. at least I can't see the right option
[02:16] <Symbolix> Where can I get this smart bootmanager?
[02:17] <Marble2> yay, I got ubuntu installed
[02:17] <theine> Symbolix: btmgr.webframe.org
[02:17] <Marble2> I like having x-chat by default
[02:17] <Symbolix> Will try
[02:17] <jdodson> marble2: congratulations, ubuntu is a good distro.
[02:17] <Marble2> jdodson: thanks
[02:17] <housetier> Symbolix http://btmgr.webframe.org/
[02:17] <Marble2> kinda stupid question, but this is my first time using linux
[02:17] <Symbolix> Got it
[02:17] <Marble2> what should I do?
[02:18] <housetier> mdke there used to be an option to display the close thingy on every tab
[02:18] <jdodson> marble2: what do you want to do?
[02:18] <Marble2> i dunno
[02:18] <Marble2> how do I get to command line
[02:18] <jdodson> marble2: play a game, surf the web.
[02:18] <Marble2> so I can run top and such
[02:18] <Marble2> I thought that was what linux was all about
[02:18] <jdodson> applications/system tools/terminal
[02:18] <mdke> housetier, no that isn't what I want to do. I want it to open links that I click on with the left mouse button in new tabs rather than in the same window
[02:18] <jdodson> that will bring up the "console"
[02:18] <far_away> mdke http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#tbe
[02:19] <housetier> mdke yes either get the tabbrowser extension or FF 1.0
[02:19] <jdodson> marble2: well the power of gnu/linux is through the console, so you are right on that one.
[02:19] <tritium> I've seen the terms "multiverse" and "universe" in the FAQs and wiki.  I'm trying to figure out the difference...
[02:19] <mdke> housetier, i am on 1.0
[02:19] <Marble2> jdodson: how do I open up a command prompt?
[02:19] <Marble2> window
[02:19] <mdke> thanks far_away
[02:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone using bittorrent here?
[02:19] <jdodson> marble2: click the foot or the application menu go to system tools then click terminal.
[02:19] <jdodson> lmanewbie: i got it to work for me.
[02:20] <housetier> mdke do you want to open *every* link in a new tab?
[02:20] <mdke> yes
[02:20] <mdke> and close tabs by left clicking too
[02:20] <tritium> And I'm surprised by the "FinishInstallationHowto", indicating I have to compile nNidia drivers.  I thought that wasn't the case...
[02:20] <jdodson> marble2: did you get it open?
[02:20] <yz> yes bit torrentu on ubuntu YES
[02:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdodson: are you getting directconnections?
[02:20] <palle1> can any1 in here sned me glib2 +????? gtk's server is down
[02:20] <Marble2> yup
[02:20] <Marble2> thanks
[02:20] <jdodson> lmanewbie: yep.
[02:20] <Marble2> any way I can view the contents of my windows NTFS partitions through ubuntu?
[02:21] <yz> marble2 readonly YES
[02:21] <jdodson> marble2: not sure if NTFS is in ubuntu by default let me check.
[02:21] <far_away> mdke, please check out http://www.kayodeok.co.uk/weblog/200407/17/firefox_new_window.html too
[02:21] <jdodson> marble2: ok there you go.
[02:21] <heero17> yeah if u kernel suport that opcion :D
[02:21] <Marble2> yz: what would be fine
[02:21] <mdke> far_away, ok i will
[02:21] <Marble2> how do I do that?
[02:21] <housetier> mdke ok in that case the option in preferences won't do what you want, that's only for links that would open in a new window, or for popups without a size
[02:21] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdodson: Are you able to get direct connections?
[02:21] <housetier> links that just lead to different page on the same host would be opened in the same tab
[02:21] <yz> fdisk -l /dev/hda1
[02:22] <yz> then mount using: mount command
[02:22] <jdodson> lmanewbie: i can connect to a seed and download the file/files fine if that is what you mean.
[02:22] <Marble2> I do that yz?
[02:22] <yz> to view ntfs readonly, yes marble2
[02:22] <tritium> Is this correct? => http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[02:23] <Marble2> ok
[02:23] <zapada_> coolio
[02:24] <Marble2> ok I did that
[02:24] <Marble2> now what?
[02:24] <theine> Are the Ubuntu kernel patches indicidually available somewhere?
[02:25] <theine> like one diff per individual patch, not in one big file
[02:25] <Marble2> yz?
[02:25] <yz> hi marble
[02:25] <Marble2> I did that, how do I view the contents now?
[02:25] <yz> you mounted?
[02:25] <yz> or fdisk -l
[02:26] <Marble2> fdisk
[02:26] <housetier> The_Iconoclast what do you need them for if I might ask
[02:26] <housetier> erm
[02:26] <housetier> theine I mean
[02:26] <Marble2> what exactly then?
[02:26] <Marble2> mount hda1
[02:26] <Marble2> ?
[02:26] <yz> so i assumed hda1 was the drive containing your ntfs
[02:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdodson: how did you managed bit torrent?
[02:26] <Marble2> greg@Greg:/dev $ mount hda1
[02:26] <Marble2> mount: can't find hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:27] <yz> try this: mount /dev/hda1 /media
[02:27] <theine> housetier: what do you mean erm?
[02:27] <housetier> what do you need them for if I might ask
[02:27] <Marble2> had to use sudo... but
[02:27] <Marble2> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:27] <padlefot> crappy bootloader
[02:27] <theine> housetier: oh i see, i'd like to see the ipw2100 patch as it seems to be different from the official one
[02:28] <yz> marble, was hda1 your NTFS partition?
[02:28] <jdodson> lmanewbie: i installed teh bittorrent from universe and bittorent gui from universe.
[02:28] <yz> it might be hdb1 or hda2
[02:28] <padlefot> the installer doesnt give me any choice if i want to install to MBR or hda.. anybody? please?
[02:28] <Marble2> I had 3 of them
[02:28] <yz> hdb is 2nd drive
[02:28] <yz> hda is first, etc
[02:28] <yz> 3 drives? or 3 partitions?
[02:29] <Marble2> 2 drives, 4 partitons
[02:29] <Marble2> with a 5th for linux
[02:29] <yz> in any case, you have to read the result of fdisk
[02:29] <Marble2> how do I do that?
[02:29] <Marble2> i tried fdisk -l hda
[02:29] <yz> look for the partition name associated with NTFS
[02:29] <Marble2> huh?
[02:30] <yz> marble, you may PM the result of your fdisk commands if you wish
[02:30] <housetier> theine you will find all the patched in the source package for the kernel "apt-get source kernel-source-version" or so
[02:30] <tritium> Are the terms "multiverse" and "universe" used interchangeably?
[02:31] <theine> housetier: great, i'll have a look then
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Marble2: this will help I think >>> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:35] <Xenguy> tritium: hrm, I *thought* they were different (get a 2nd opinion tho)
[02:35] <far_away> tritium, AFAIK, no
[02:35] <Xenguy> tritium: it must be a FAQ
[02:35] <far_away> tritium http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[02:36] <theine> housetier: it's not different at all actually, just a very old one
[02:37] <tritium> Xenguy & far_away: thanks!
[02:37] <Quest-Master> Where are the .deb files downloaded from apt-get kept
[02:38] <housetier> Quest-Master /var/cache/apt/archive iirc
[02:39] <far_away> tritium, anytime
[02:42] <funnylookinhat> what is the package name that handles 3 or 4 codecs that are common on windows?
[02:42] <tritium> The FinishInstallHowto seems to contradict the BinaryDriverHowto regarding nVIdia drivers.
[02:43] <yz> marble2 is now a happy camper
[02:43] <thoreauputic> tritium: I think there are two drivers - one "open and free" but less optimised, and the proprietary nVidia ones
[02:44] <far_away> funnylookinhat, essential-codecs
[02:44] <far_away> i think
[02:44] <tritium> thoreauputic: oh, is that so?
[02:44] <Quest-Master> I think my Ubuntu is dead x_x
[02:45] <far_away> funnylookinhat, check the media howto in the forums.. (howto threads)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> tritium: I don't use nVidia, but the stock open source driver is nv I seem to recall - but it doesn't do 3D, again IIRC
[02:46] <tritium> thoreauputic: You're right about the nvidia vs. nv driver, but both of these Howto's deal with the binary nvidia driver in different ways.
[02:46] <thoreauputic> tritium: ah, I see
[02:46] <tritium> thoreauputic: Thanks for your help all the same! :)
[02:46] <rattboi> yeah, I think there's a lot of ways to install it
[02:47] <rattboi> I followed this guide called "The Debian Way" to get mine to work
[02:47] <tritium> I suppose so.  It looks like the BinaryDriverHowto should be the preferred method.
[02:47] <tritium> Anyway, I have an ubuntu success story.  My hard drive failed to the point that I can't boot from it.  (Buzzing, whirring, etc.)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> tritium: heh - "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" - anyway, I believe people have had success with the drivers :)
[02:48] <tritium> I was able to use the ubuntu LiveCD to mount the drive and recover some important data! :)
[02:48] <Quest-Master> Awesome.
[02:49] <Quest-Master> I think my Ubuntu is going to hell though unluckily.
[02:49] <tritium> It was a huge relief.  I had backups, but not the latest changes to some importat work.
[02:49] <tritium> Quest-Master: what happened?
[02:49] <tritium> Quest-Master: /var/cache/apt/archives, if your question was not answered before
[02:49] <padlefot> is there none here that knows how to install Grub/Lilo to MBR with Ubuntu ?
[02:49] <Quest-Master> My apt-get is broken.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> Worst thing EVER.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> I just reinstalled Ubuntu 2 days ago too.
[02:50] <thoreauputic> for those of you interested - I'm playing with the chatzilla extension for firefox and it's quite impressive, IMO. has some nice easy to use features and looks pretty good as well
[02:50] <tritium> I'm actually on a debian system until my replacement hard drive comes tomorrow, and I'll install ubuntu.
[02:50] <tritium> That's where debian keeps .deb files anyway.
[02:51] <tritium> I assume it's the same on ubuntu.
[02:51] <thoreauputic> I normally use xchat and irssi-text, but this extension is certainly rather nice ! :D
[02:51] <tritium> Quest-Master: how is apt broken?  What exactly is happening?
[02:52] <Quest-Master> Pretty funny story, actually.
[02:52] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7296
[02:53] <padlefot> wow
[02:53] <padlefot> i actually made it, all on my own
[02:53] <padlefot> just had to install in expert mode
[02:54] <freebase> hi, can i change /etc/apt/sources.list to use sarge?
[02:54] <rattboi> sarge?
[02:54] <rattboi> I think this is an ubuntu channel :P
[02:55] <thoreauputic> freebase: don't
[02:55] <rattboi> why is everyone trying to hack ubuntu to make debian + Gnome 2.8?
[02:55] <funnylookinhat> rattboi, they are bored.
[02:55] <padlefot> new distros is fun
[02:55] <tritium> Quest-Master: so you
[02:56] <tritium> 've tried removing mplayer?
[02:56] <freebase> what is "hoary" ?
[02:56] <tritium> And since apt-get install -f doesn't work, what does "dpkg --configure --pending" do?
[02:57] <rattboi> freebase: it's the dev branch of ubuntu
[02:57] <Quest-Master> tritium: Trying that now
[02:57] <tritium> okay.
[02:57] <freebase> rattboi: instable?
[02:57] <Quest-Master> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mplayer-686:
[02:57] <Quest-Master>  mplayer-686 depends on mplayer-586; however:
[02:57] <Quest-Master>   Package mplayer-586 is not configured yet.
[02:57] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing mplayer-686 (--configure):
[02:57] <Quest-Master>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:57] <rattboi> basically
[02:57] <Quest-Master> Setting up libgii0-target-x (0.8.4+cvs.stable.20040218-2) ...
[02:57] <Quest-Master> Setting up libgii0 (0.8.4+cvs.stable.20040218-2) ...
[02:58] <Quest-Master> Setting up libggi2 (2.0.4-3) ...
[02:58] <rattboi> but a lot of people run it anyways
[02:58] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:58] <Quest-Master>  mplayer-586
[02:58] <Quest-Master>  mplayer-686
[02:58] <Quest-Master> :(
[02:58] <freebase> rattboi: ok i'll try it
[02:58] <rattboi> I.E. I"m running it :P
[02:58] <rattboi> and I'm pretty noob
[02:58] <rattboi> (but learning fast)
[02:58] <tritium> Quest-Master: try apt-get install -f again now.
[02:59] <Quest-Master> Preconfiguring packages ...
[02:59] <Quest-Master> (Reading database ... 68850 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:59] <Quest-Master> Unpacking liblame0 (from .../liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb) ...
[02:59] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:59] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libmp3lame0
[02:59] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[02:59] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:59] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb
[02:59] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:59] <Quest-Master> I shouldn't be flooding like this lol
[02:59] <tritium> yeah, don't paste any more
[03:00] <freebase> =)
[03:00] <stuNNed> Quest-Master, remove the file or run apt-get --force_something, see apt-get manpage
[03:00] <tritium> Quest-Master: you might try apt-get install --force-overwrite liblame0
[03:01] <lev> Hey dos anyone know how to get that AcOSX style icons on the desktop?
[03:01] <lev> SMACOSX*
[03:01] <lev> MACOSX*
[03:01] <tritium> then, if what you really want is to remove it, do so, and reinstall that package that it overwrote
[03:01] <lev> like the little toolabr lookin thing on the bottom
[03:02] <stuNNed> lev, think gdesklets supports the toolbar lookalike
[03:02] <Quest-Master> E: Command line option --force-overwrite is not understood
[03:02] <stuNNed> lev, and there are macosx themes
[03:02] <lev> is that in SPM?
[03:02] <tritium> Quest-Master: sorry, that's a dpkg option
[03:02] <stuNNed> Quest-Master, --force-yes
[03:02] <lev> i havr the theme i want the toolbar
[03:02] <tritium> Quest-Master: you could cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:03] <lev> i am not sure what gdesklets
[03:03] <Quest-Master> I deleted all of the mplayer
[03:03] <lev> is.
[03:03] <Quest-Master> Btw
[03:03] <Quest-Master> I tried both of the things you've told me to do, stuNNed and tritium
[03:03] <Quest-Master> Same errors continuosly
[03:03] <tritium> and dpkg -i --force-overwrite liblame0
[03:04] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing liblame0 (--install):
[03:04] <Quest-Master>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[03:04] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:04] <Quest-Master>  liblame0
[03:04] <Quest-Master> hehe.
[03:04] <tritium> (use the whole file name, including .deb)
[03:04] <Quest-Master> Same thing.
[03:04] <tritium> Quest-Master: you're in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[03:04] <tritium> you can see the .deb?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> cd /var/cache/apt/archives first, Quest-Master  ;)
[03:05] <newbeee> are there any ubuntu theme sites yet, does anyone know? google's not turning up anything for me
[03:05] <thoreauputic> newbeee: search for gnome themes :)
[03:06] <Quest-Master> god yes.
[03:06] <Quest-Master> tritium.. a legend ;)
[03:06] <tritium> It worked?
[03:06] <Quest-Master> Yeah :D
[03:06] <tritium> Excellent.
[03:06] <lev> stunned: i installed gdesklets, how do i use it?
[03:06] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:06] <thoreauputic> newbeee: and look in synaptic for gtk-engines and gtk-themes-extras
[03:07] <stuNNed> lev, check the docs, there is info there, i don't use it myself, sorry
[03:07] <tritium> Quest-Master: now the package you over-wrote is broken, so be sure to remove the stuff you don't want, and reinstall what you do want.
[03:07] <lev> nevermind, i found it in the menu, thank you very mcuh!
[03:08] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[03:08] <rattboi> well, dvd seems to be working, but it's dropping a lot of frames
[03:08] <Quest-Master> I'm going to remove mplayer now.
[03:08] <newbeee> thoreauputic: thank you
[03:08] <Quest-Master> yay.
[03:08] <thoreauputic> newbeee: you're welcome :)
[03:08] <tritium> libmp3lame0 is broken for you, I believe
[03:09] <Quest-Master> Should I reinstall it?
[03:09] <tritium> Yes.  Anytime you force things, be really careful to what you're doing, and quickly fix it up.
[03:10] <tritium> That was poor grammar on my part, but you get the idea.
[03:10] <Quest-Master> Yeah, hehe.
[03:10] <Marble2> Would someone mind helping me set up lilo?
[03:10] <ELSprime> hello - new guy here. I am trying to get the newest version of Firefox to  install -- get the dreaded " no such file as libgtk-x11-2.0.so       Anyone solved this one yet?
[03:10] <Quest-Master> Should I force a reinstall?
[03:10] <Quest-Master> --reinstall
[03:11] <tritium> Yes, good!
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Did it anyhow :)
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Ack.
[03:11] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Flood time..
[03:11] <Quest-Master> /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Ack
[03:11] <Quest-Master> XD
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Preconfiguring packages ...
[03:11] <Quest-Master> (Reading database ... 68758 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Preparing to replace libmp3lame0 3.96.1-0.1 (using .../libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb) ...
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Unpacking replacement libmp3lame0 ...
[03:11] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:11] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package liblame0
[03:11] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:11] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb
[03:11] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Hopefully I'm not killing anyone. :o
[03:12] <tritium> Quest-Master: you forgot to remove liblame0
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Oh, remove then install?
[03:12] <tritium> Remove mplayer and all the dependencies that it brought in that caused the mess.
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Ok.
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Never using mplayer again, hehe. Time to stick with Totem.
[03:12] <tritium> hehe
[03:13] <Quest-Master> Gah.
[03:13] <ELSprime> hello -- anyone out there?
[03:13] <rattboi> ok, DVD DMA wasn't on
[03:13] <Quest-Master> I uninstalled it then tried installing it again and it's giving me the same error I just flooded
[03:13] <rattboi> I used hdparm to set it, but how do I set it on boot?
[03:13] <Quest-Master> ELSprime: Are you building from source?
[03:14] <ELSprime> nope -- firefox-installer from Mozilla
[03:14] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[03:14] <Quest-Master> Download these packages through apt-get
[03:14] <rattboi> that's strange, eh?
[03:14] <rattboi> he should have all the libs for firefox-installer
[03:15] <ELSprime> that's what I thought, too
[03:15] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
[03:15] <lev> I have a question
[03:15] <lev> Where can i see my other partitioned disks at?
[03:15] <tritium> Quest-Master: I'm going to have to get going.  I think you're on the right track.
[03:16] <Quest-Master> tritium: I have no idea where to go from, but see ya. :(
[03:16] <Quest-Master> Thanks.
[03:16] <rattboi> ok, can someone tell me how to set my dvd dma settings at boottime?
[03:16] <lev> i have got a 30gb fat32 partition so i can share files between windows and linux, but i cant seem to find it on here.
[03:16] <rattboi> something to add to fstab or something else?
[03:17] <Quest-Master> lev: You need to mount it.
[03:17] <lev> how do i do that?
[03:17] <tritium> Quest-Master: go ahead and msg me and paste your last command/error
[03:17] <thoreauputic> lev: or look here >>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[03:18] <rattboi> ok, xine just died and I can't kill it
[03:18] <thoreauputic> rattboi: you mean it froze, or crashed and disappeared?
[03:18] <tritium> Quest-Master: I'll try to help you in the next few minutes
[03:19] <rattboi> froze
[03:19] <rattboi> I did ps -A, got the job # and did kill #, but nothing happened
[03:19] <thoreauputic> rattboi: if it froze, try opening a terminal and typing "xkill" without the quotes
[03:19] <rattboi> this has happened once before and I know a logout fixes it, but what else?
[03:19] <rattboi> no xkill
[03:19] <rattboi> tried that
[03:19] <thoreauputic> then zap with mouse :/
[03:19] <thoreauputic> ah ok
[03:20] <thoreauputic> time for kill -9
[03:20] <rattboi> kill -9?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> or sudo killall xine
[03:20] <thoreauputic> kill -9 pid number
[03:21] <Stuttergart> any gotchas for installing with root on LVM?
[03:21] <rattboi> killall didn't work, but kill -9 did
[03:21] <thoreauputic> like kill -9 `pidof xine`
[03:21] <tritium> Quest-Master: still there?
[03:21] <Stuttergart> It don't see much on the lists or forums about this.
[03:21] <thoreauputic> rattboi: aha :)
[03:21] <Marble2> would someone mind helping me with setting up lilo?
[03:23] <rattboi> hmm, died again
[03:23] <rattboi> I wonder why
[03:23] <rattboi> it's running really smooth until I touch it
[03:24] <Marble2> ugh
[03:24] <thoreauputic> rattboi: try running ps auxf     to see a tree of processes, and kill the parents if they exist
[03:24] <Quest-Master> tritium: Yeah, sorry, I was afk
[03:24] <Marble2> i need help with lilo :(
[03:24] <aoulton> Ubuntu Newb Question : I installed Ubuntu over a dual-boot Mandrake 10.1 / WinXP setup and Grub seems to have screwed up a lot.  I'm been relatively comfortable with LILO in the past but CFDISK is showing me some time "seperating" partitions between my 3 primary ones.
[03:24] <Quest-Master> I'll msg you the error I got when trying to reinstall libmp3lame0
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Marble2: what's the issue?
[03:24] <tritium> okay
[03:24] <aoulton> And the option to boot into Windows does not work, leaving that setup stranded
[03:24] <Marble2> thoreauputic: well, I don't exactly know how to set it up
[03:25] <Marble2> i just want to set it so whenever I boot, it gives me the options to boot to windows or linux
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Marble2: Ubuntu uses grub by default - why are you using lilo?
[03:25] <Marble2> grub failed on install
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:25] <Quest-Master> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:25] <Quest-Master>   libmp3lame0
[03:25] <Quest-Master> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Need to get 0B/310kB of archives.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> After unpacking 500kB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Preconfiguring packages ...
[03:25] <Quest-Master> (Reading database ... 68748 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Unpacking libmp3lame0 (from .../libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb) ...
[03:25] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:25] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package liblame0
[03:25] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:25] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb
[03:26] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:26] <Quest-Master> Stupid XChat.
[03:26] <Marble2> erm spam
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: please stop flooding mate!
[03:26] <Quest-Master> I was trying to msg it to tritium
[03:26] <Marble2> thoreauputic, grub install failed
[03:26] <Quest-Master> XChat tripped up, really sorry
[03:26] <Marble2> so it installed lilo
[03:26] <net> i asm installing java with synaptic, and i am going through the "end user agreement", i paged down to the end but ni cant accept?
[03:26] <padlefot> hmm
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Marble2: have you looked at /etc/lilo.conf?
[03:26] <Quest-Master> Just type in y net
[03:26] <Marble2> yea
[03:26] <padlefot> whats the standard root passwd in ubuntu after install?
[03:27] <net> tried, just beeps?
[03:27] <padlefot> default
[03:27] <Marble2> but if I fuck this up, it will be really hard to fix won't it?
[03:27] <Marble2> padlefot, its random i belive
[03:27] <Marble2> sudo passwd root
[03:27] <thoreauputic> padlefot: there isn't one - use sudo with your user passwd
[03:27] <Marble2> to set it
[03:27] <Marble2> would you mind helping me set up my lilo.conf thoreauputic?
[03:27] <padlefot> thoreauputic, im sorry, im very new with linux, how do i do that?
[03:27] <net> actually, y just scrolls up?
[03:28] <Quest-Master> Type in yes then
[03:28] <net> got it, had to q, then y
[03:28] <thoreauputic> padlefot: type sudo <command>
[03:28] <net> must have been in vi?
[03:28] <scoon> Marble2, why do you need lilo over grub ?
[03:28] <Marble2> grub install failed
[03:28] <net> thanks everyone
[03:28] <Marble2> so it installed lilo
[03:28] <scoon> Marble2, how did grub install fail ?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Marble2: you can pm me if you like
[03:28] <Marble2> uh i dunno scoon, it just did
[03:29] <scoon> Marble2, well there are limitations to lilo that grub does not have.
[03:29] <Guest94174> hi all. I can't find gstreamer-mad in mirrors, so what's the way to go to enable rhytmnbox mp3 using the ubuntu way?
[03:29] <Guest94174> google didn't help.
[03:29] <Lathiat> Guest94174: did you enable the universe repository?
[03:29] <Guest94174> i guess so
[03:29] <Lathiat> Guest94174: what do you mean you guess so? You either did or didn't
[03:30] <Guest94174> but I got to go by hand, my broadband is down.
[03:30] <net> Guest94174, google ubuntu wiki mp3
[03:30] <Guest94174> using this pc, and then trasferring by usb-pen to my laptop.
[03:30] <Guest94174> anyway, apt-cache search gstreamer|grep mad didn't help
[03:30] <Guest94174> Lathiat I check that, wait
[03:30] <padlefot> hmm.. thoreauputic, it says its unable to look up public/pickup
[03:31] <padlefot> should i run "sudo root" ?
[03:31] <padlefot> or sudo passwd root
[03:31] <Guest94174> no i didnt'
[03:31] <Lathiat> Guest94174: 10:30 < net> Guest94174, google ubuntu wiki mp3
[03:31] <Guest94174> but I can't apt from there
[03:31] <Guest94174> thanks.
[03:31] <scoon> Marble2, do you have an nForce or nForce2 chipset ?
[03:31] <padlefot> ah..
[03:31] <padlefot> nice
[03:31] <Guest94174> Oh i missed that, net
[03:31] <Guest94174> thanks
[03:32] <net> now i have java installed, very nice
[03:32] <Guest94174> ahah the wiki was full of help
[03:32] <Guest94174> thanks.
[03:33] <Guest94174> mhm
[03:33] <net> yeah, i find myself using that string often
[03:33] <Guest94174> I still can't find that file gstreamer0.8-mad manually.
[03:33] <Guest94174> (that's the main problem)
[03:33] <rattboi> can anyone help me to set my dvd dma at boot time?
[03:33] <net> why cant you apt?
[03:34] <Guest94174> because the apt and this pc are not connected
[03:34] <Guest94174> I'm gprssing from this windows host.
[03:34] <net> oh
[03:34] <Guest94174> and then trasferring with an usb pen.
[03:34] <Guest94174> what a pain in the ???.
[03:34] <net> well, i would download the .deb and install that way
[03:35] <Guest94174> i'm still trying to find that deb :)
[03:35] <Marble2> scon
[03:35] <Marble2> *scoon
[03:35] <Marble2> yes
[03:35] <Marble2> nForce 2
[03:35] <Marble2> scoon, can you help me out?
[03:36] <scoon> Marble2, certainly.
[03:36] <net> how do i tell which ver of ubuntu i have? uname -a doesnt tell me worty or hoary?
[03:37] <scoon> Marble2, are you using that as your video as well ?
[03:37] <Lathiat> net: cat /etc/lsb-release|grep CODENAME
[03:37] <Guest94174> maybe it would be faster knowing the section that deb resides
[03:38] <Guest94174> universe/g/ for example
[03:38] <Rene_S> Good evening, morning, or afternoon, pick one and consider yourself greeted :)
[03:38] <net> i am running warty, is that the newest?
[03:38] <Marble2> scoon, no
[03:38] <Guest94174> mh
[03:38] <Gwildor> net, hoary is latest
[03:39] <scoon> Marble2, so you have a video card then ?
[03:39] <net> is there an easy way to apt to it?
[03:39] <Gwildor> net, but warty is latest release, hoary is still testing
[03:39] <net> ahh
[03:39] <net> recommended yet or not/
[03:39] <net> ?
[03:39] <Gwildor> net, i use it, not too many problems,.....but a risk none the less
[03:39] <Marble2> scoon, yes
[03:39] <Marble2> i do
[03:40] <net> Gwildor, is there a way to upgrade via apt?  on the wiki?
[03:40] <scoon> Guest94174, check this out: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gstreamer&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[03:40] <Guest94174> warty was perfect to me, just the non-free nvidia was to old, and this leads to suspension problems.
[03:40] <Rene_S> We like to Live By the Seat of Our Pants here in #Ubuntu, Go Hoary
[03:40] <scoon> Marble2, do you have onboard video ?
[03:40] <Marble2> no i dont
[03:40] <net> do i have to install hoary via cd?
[03:40] <Gwildor> net, in your source.list you must change the word warty to hoary, then update, then dist-upgrade
[03:40] <arzajac> net:  The installer is buggered.  Install Warty and dist-upgrade.
[03:40] <Gwildor> net, read last post
[03:40] <net> thanks
[03:41] <calc> grr totem-xine doesn't work on amd64 :\
[03:41] <Guest94174> scoon that was impressing, but someone adviced me to don't come here saying I'd use debian packages :)
[03:41] <padlefot> how do i know what ethernet card i have, and how to modprob it?
[03:41] <calc> and totem-gstreamer doesn't play anything useful
[03:41] <Guest94174> s\impressing\interesting
[03:41] <padlefot> is there some kind of lists where i can find the name of the module?
[03:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> Guest94174: wrong slashes
[03:41] <padlefot> and my VGA card
[03:41] <Guest94174> calc same problem here :_
[03:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> Guest94174: you should also end with a slash
[03:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> otherwise it's an unterminated regular expression
[03:41] <scoon> Guest94174, well that is the silliest thing i have ever heard.  what is ubuntu, the repository nazii's
[03:41] <Marble2> scoon, for now I just want a basic lilo config
[03:41] <Marble2> I want to be able to boot back to windows
[03:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> scoon: it's a recommendation
[03:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> scoon: so that you don't break your system
[03:42] <Guest94174> Hrdwr_BoB yeah, it's late at night and i'm tring to calculate my bandwith as i run to and from my laptop with my 32mb usb pen
[03:42] <Guest94174> :)
[03:42] <Guest94174> s/impressing/interesting/
[03:42] <Guest94174> :)
[03:42] <scoon> Hrdwr_BoB, well that is a little different thant what Guest94174 says
[03:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> Guest94174: :) I'm just tryint to help
[03:43] <Guest94174> Hrdwr_BoB I was kidding :)
[03:43] <arzajac> padlefrot: discover ethernet
[03:43] <Marble2> scoon?
[03:43] <scoon> yes Marble2
[03:43] <Marble2> can you help me just make a basic lilo config?
[03:43] <Guest94174> seriously, I just thoght you'll kill me if I'd tell 'I could use the debian package'
[03:43] <Marble2> i just want to be able to boot back to windows
[03:43] <net> is dist-upgrade documented on the wiki?
[03:44] <scoon> Marble2,  it turns out that that chipset uses low memory for on board video.
[03:44] <Guest94174> Marble2 are you trying to revert to your old boot?
[03:44] <arzajac> padlefot: Open a console and type sudo discover ethernet
[03:44] <Marble2> Guest94174, yes of windows
[03:44] <scoon> even tho you have a vid card, it may still want that low mem area.  YOU MUST USE LILO
[03:44] <Rene_S> ?  If we couldnt use regular debian pkg's maybe they should take em out of there repositories
[03:44] <Marble2> ok
[03:44] <Marble2> can you help me with a basic lilo config?
[03:44] <Quest-Master> Aww, man
[03:44] <Guest94174> scoon maybe your link was more interesting than i thought at first...
[03:44] <Quest-Master> It looks like I have go back to Windows to use Allegro
[03:45] <Quest-Master> :(
[03:45] <scoon> Marble2, well i use grub.  but i would imagine that google would be a tremendous help
[03:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> Rene_S: I'm not sure what you're saying.. debian packages make up ubuntu
[03:45] <Guest94174> gst-plugins, that's where the bastard resides
[03:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> they are of course recompiled to suit ubuntu's environment
[03:45] <Rene_S> Just commenting in a sarc tone
[03:45] <Marble2> well yea, but i just really don't want to fuck this up
[03:45] <Marble2> anyone here use lilo that can help me?
[03:45] <Guest94174> found
[03:45] <calc> hmm i can play a divx but not an mp3, this is odd
[03:46] <Guest94174> scoon your link, besides it was a debian one, was illuminating
[03:46] <Guest94174> gst-plugins/gstreamer-mad_0.6.4-5.1_i386.deb
[03:46] <Rene_S> Hrdwr_BoB, Sometimes I type things that only make sense to my 2 other personalities.
[03:46] <scoon> Marble2, you won't fuck it up.
[03:46] <calc> Guest94174: hmm so i should try installing that? xine appears to try to handle it but dies
[03:46] <Guest94174> s/illuminating/maieutic/
[03:47] <scoon> Marble2, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO.html
[03:47] <Guest94174> calc maybe you need that file that would enable rhytmbox to play mp3
[03:47] <scoon> Marble2, that will do it.  if you swear you'll catch no fish.
[03:47] <Guest94174> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-plugins/gstreamer-mad_0.6.4-5.1_i386.deb
[03:47] <scoon> Marble2, so read carefully.
[03:47] <calc> Guest94174: ok
[03:47] <Guest94174> this one, I believe, or simply enable universe and apt
[03:47] <Marble2> ok
[03:48] <Guest94174> calc just enable universe and apt
[03:48] <calc> Guest94174: already have
[03:48] <Guest94174> so apt that and use rhytmbox
[03:50] <Guest94174> ok, sorry gotta run to the laptop to bring the deb there. Meanwhile you can calculate my bandwith, is a 32mb pen and the laptop is 3 meters away.
[03:50] <Hrdwr_BoB> why do you have to move to the laptop
[03:50] <Hrdwr_BoB> the beauty of laptops is that you can move them to you
[03:51] <calc> interesting, it won't play any of wav/ogg/mp3 on totem-xine, so far all it has played right is divx, heh
[03:52] <Guest94174> Hrdwr_BoB,no place to put it near here.
[03:52] <Guest94174> it's a complicate situation, you probably already realized that.
[03:52] <Guest94174> :)
[03:53] <Gehirn> ok two missing dependencies.
[03:53] <Symbolix> Im using a floppy to install ubuntu, and it states thath the kernels on the cd and the installation are incompatible. Someone recommended using smart boot manager, but that doesnt show the cd drive either. Now what?
[03:54] <Gehirn> the best thing, I assure you, it's browsing the entire ubuntu tree searching for files when installing the simplest of things.
[03:55] <calc> it appears the issue is when it is trying to play non-graphical media formats
[03:55] <arzajac> Symbolix:  You can't boot from cd?
[03:55] <Symbolix> arz: No, my cd drive is not recognized.
[03:55] <rattboi> does anyone use vlc?
[03:55] <arzajac> Symbolix:  Too old or too new?
[03:56] <Gehirn> or missing
[03:56] <calc> ah i found the problem :)
[03:56] <Symbolix> arzajac:I would guess to old. It actually recognizes it in the boot menu, but ti doesnt actually boot
[03:56] <calc> it was obvious once i made the previous conclusion
[03:56] <Symbolix> arzajac: I can browse it in DOS however
[03:56] <calc> the problem with totem is its visualization engine is broken on amd64
[03:56] <arzajac> Symbolix:  Ever try to boot Debian Woody?
[03:56] <calc> all the music works when its disabled
[03:57] <Matt|> hi peoples, does anyone know if anyone has written an evolution systray extension or something to a similar effect?
[03:57] <Symbolix> arzajac: Im unfamiliar with it, so no.
[03:57] <Symbolix> arzajac: I downloaded floppy images of Sarge, but that is where teh "incompatibility" comes up
[03:57] <Gehirn> I smell problems coming
[03:57] <arzajac> Symbolix:  cuz you can install the debian woody base and then upgrade to Ubuntu.  You cannot do this from sarge.  You may have an easier time with woody due to your older hardware...
[03:58] <arzajac> Symbolix:  You can even install from floppy...
[03:58] <Symbolix> arzajac: Well, I was thinking that I might be downloading the wrong images for the debian installation
[03:59] <Symbolix> arzajac: I was downloading the most up to date, but in the docs ont he ubunntu CD the date is about 3 months earlier
[04:00] <Symbolix> arzajac: i cant find any earlier images on the debian server
[04:00] <arzajac> Symbolix:  I see.  I can't remember if there are boot floppies made for the sarge d-i.  The Warty installer uses an old d-i.  Even before the pre rc2.  RC2 is the most recent...
[04:00] <arzajac> Symbolix:  You have to look in woody.
[04:01] <Symbolix> arzajac: looking now...
[04:01] <Stuttergart> anyone know how to make GRUB work with an LVM root install?
[04:03] <arzajac> Symbolix:  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html
[04:03] <scotth> Stuttergart, what are you doing with LVM?
[04:04] <scotth> as in what kinda raid or what?
[04:04] <arzajac> Symbolix:  http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/rescue.bin
[04:05] <Stuttergart> I'm not doing any RAID. I just have my root on an LVM partition with a single volume in the group. GRUB and LILO both failed to configure during the install so I'm trying to set them up manually.
[04:05] <arzajac> Symbolix:  http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/root.bin
[04:05] <Stuttergart> set one of them up rather. Whichever I can get to work.
[04:06] <Quest-Master> ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 17875, errno = 0
[04:06] <scotth> Stuttergart, I don't get the complexity, but I have a system that does evms raid 0 and we just select one of the two base partitions to boot off of and pass root= the evms partition and it works... maybe try a similar trick with lvm
[04:06] <Quest-Master> ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 17914, errno = 0
[04:06] <Quest-Master> Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy
[04:06] <Quest-Master> ok
[04:06] <Quest-Master> These messages just popped up when I was in the terminal
[04:06] <Quest-Master> Does that mean something bad? :o
[04:06] <Stuttergart> is evms supported in Warty?
[04:07] <scotth> Stuttergart, in addition, I know for a fact that you can have /boot partitioned off and have it on a normal partition and boot via it and an initrd
[04:07] <scotth> I don't think it is... though I'm pretty sure sarge supports it now which means horay should have it
[04:08] <Stuttergart> scotth: I'm not even to that point yet. I need to get a 1 and 1.5 stage boot loader in place before I can even start thinking about that.
[04:08] <scotth> just remember if you partition off /boot your path should look like /boot/boot/grub
[04:08] <|QuaD|> I love the msdaa
[04:08] <scotth> Stuttergart, should be able to just install grub to the MBR of the disk and have things boot properly
[04:09] <verden01> has anyone on here used Libranet?
[04:09] <scotth> also unless you have a good reason to put your partition on an LVM partition I would fire off an install report to ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-users and go with standard partitioning
[04:09] <Quest-Master> How can I get rid of every single thing relating to KDE?
[04:09] <scotth> I think LVM is there to put things like /home onto
[04:09] <Quest-Master> Without having to manually remove every single individual one of course
[04:09] <Stuttergart> I need the flexibility of resizing and shuffling volumes.
[04:10] <scotth> ahhhh pretty good reason
[04:10] <Quest-Master> ?
[04:10] <sm> whew, that was scary
[04:10] <verden01> what program do i need to rip dvd's ?
[04:10] <sm> recovered my /dev from another partition
[04:11] <|QuaD|> stutter aptitude remove kde?
[04:11] <sm> is there a hoary install cd image anywhere ?
[04:11] <scotth> Quest-Master, remove kdelibs4 or some such... it should take out pretty much everything... also libqt whatever will get things going pretty fast
[04:11] <|QuaD|> sm: just do apt-get
[04:11] <sm> I have to download an install cd anyway.. I'd rather avoid the time consuming additional upgrade
[04:12] <scotth> Stuttergart, I'm pretty much at the limits of my LVM knowldge... maybe you should try ubuntu-users
[04:12] <sm> each time, possibly over dialup..
[04:12] <|QuaD|> whats lvm?
[04:12] <Quest-Master> There were a lot more libs installed though along with the kdelibs
[04:12] <sm> but maybe it doesn't exist yet ? I'm wondering where the ubuntu dev ftp server would be
[04:12] <scotth> |QuaD|, Linux Volume Manager
[04:12] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: aptitude remove kde should do the trick
[04:12] <|QuaD|> scotth: oh
[04:12] <Gehirn> how fine, I used teh wrong version
[04:12] <Quest-Master> Didn't work
[04:13] <|QuaD|> what is the kde base package called?
[04:13] <Rene_S> kdebase
[04:13] <|QuaD|> so do aptitude remove kdebase
[04:13] <arzajac> Is it not logical volume manger?
[04:13] <scotth> Quest-Master, I'm pretty sure if you get rid of kdelibs and libqt everything else depends on those
[04:14] <scotth> arzajac, yeah that sounds better... whatever the name is its for managing partitions/volumes irrespective of disks and such...
[04:14] <|QuaD|> scotth: yeah, might also want kdebase though
[04:14] <|QuaD|> scotth: he should also make sure aptitude remove and not apt-get remove
[04:15] <|QuaD|> thne run deborphan to clean up the rest
[04:15] <lupus_> how do I trow an exception with python
[04:15] <sm> raise
[04:15] <Quest-Master> What the heck is this
[04:15] <Quest-Master> I keep on randomly getting these weird errors when I'm typing up stuff in the terminal
[04:16] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: looks like somoen fubarred their system
[04:16] <Quest-Master> ?
[04:16] <Quest-Master> How?
[04:16] <verden01> has anyone done an upgrade with AMD 64?
[04:16] <calc> upgrade what?
[04:16] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: who knows... i didn't touch it
[04:17] <Quest-Master> lol
[04:17] <calc> i just installed ubuntu on amd64 today works fine so far
[04:17] <verden01> their Ubuntu system
[04:17] <Quest-Master> How could someone "fubar" it?
[04:17] <calc> er ubuntu hoary i mean
[04:17] <verden01> with apt-get
[04:17] <calc> verden01: i used apt-get with it since then yea
[04:17] <verden01> calc my ubuntu 64 system runs great
[04:17] <|QuaD|> calc: i think he means apt-get update
[04:18] <scotth> lupus_, google for "Dive into Python"
[04:18] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: do you know what fubar is?
[04:18] <Quest-Master> Err.. nope.
[04:18] <calc> |QuaD|: yea that works fine
[04:18] <|QuaD|> calc: thats what he was asking
[04:18] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: stands for 'f*cked up beyond all recognition
[04:18] <|QuaD|> '
[04:18] <verden01> but i added more repositories to my sources.list
[04:19] <Quest-Master> noooo
[04:19] <calc> if the repos don't support amd64 they might cause it to give you an error
[04:19] <ben> helpppp!
[04:19] <verden01> there amd64 repositories
[04:19] <|QuaD|> ben: ??
[04:19] <ben> i need to print something right away, but printing isn't working and i can't transfer my files to a windows comp!
[04:19] <|QuaD|> ben: OH NO THATS HORRIBLE
[04:19] <ben> I KNO
[04:20] <verden01> could you mount your win partition?
[04:20] <ben> the printer settings dont "stay"
[04:20] <ben> whenever i change them, they just revert back to wat was already there
[04:20] <ben> so i can't change the username and password of a printer's properties
[04:20] <Quest-Master> What is signal #11?
[04:21] <ben> shit shit shit
[04:21] <verden01> calc can i pm you?
[04:21] <calc> man 7 signal
[04:21] <|QuaD|> ben: WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE
[04:21] <calc> verden01: sure
[04:21] <ben> and when i try to browse the windows network
[04:21] <Gehirn> night
[04:21] <calc>        SIGSEGV      11       Core    Invalid memory reference
[04:21] <ben> it says one folder on the side, but nothing shows up
[04:21] <|QuaD|> verden01: i reccomend talking here, in case anyone else has the same problem
[04:21] <|QuaD|> ben: I would love to help you, don't own a printer though
[04:21] <verden01> k
[04:21] <ben> what about just trying to get my windows network working?
[04:22] <ben> i'm gonna try a reboot :p
[04:22] <|QuaD|> ben: if you need it urgently, why not just email it to yourself?
[04:22] <ben> maybe that'll fix something
[04:22] <verden01> i was just going to ask calc his system config!
[04:22] <scotth> ben, what seems to be the problem with your windows network? I'm browsing against an win2k pdc right now with a samba 3 file server
[04:22] <ben> |QuaD|, smart cookie u are!
[04:22] <sm> there we go: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-1/
[04:23] <ben> scotth, well, i pretty much can't seem to look at any other computers on the network
[04:23] <ben> i can use the internet fine and stuff though
[04:23] <scotth> describe your network?
[04:23] <|QuaD|> ben: so email it to yourself
[04:23] <scotth> any firewalls?
[04:24] <ben> scotth, no, no, i have all that stuff set up, because it was working before
[04:24] <scotth> before?
[04:24] <calc> Quest-Master: signal 11 means either the app does bad things with pointers (usually) or your system has hardware issues
[04:24] <calc> Quest-Master: not sure if you saw what i pasted above
[04:24] <|QuaD|> wahoo.... win2k3server is installing in qemu... just taking FOREVER
[04:24] <Quest-Master> That doesn't sound good..
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Yeah, I saw it
[04:25] <ben> first my print fuctionality stopped working, in that it seems to be 'stuck' on samba username and password
[04:25] <ben> now my network browsing functionality seems to have stopped working aswell
[04:26] <scotth> ben, are you using warty?  do you know what changed if anything?  maybe a service pack got installed?  any security updates?
[04:26] <ben> i'm using hoary
[04:26] <ben> but it wasn't working before i upgraded to hoary
[04:26] <ben> the printer stuff
[04:26] <ben> so i thought upgrading to hoary might help
[04:26] <ben> but nope
[04:26] <ben> my main problem is that when i go into printer properties
[04:27] <ben> and under the network settings tab, or something like that
[04:27] <ben> i can change everything BUT the smb username and password
[04:27] <scotth> first question... can you ping the different machines your talking to?
[04:27] <ben> so everytime it tries to connect to the computer connected to the printer, it fails because of an incorect password
[04:27] <ben> scotth, how do i do that?
[04:28] <ben> just type 'ping' and the ip address into a terminal?
[04:28] <scotth> ping ip-address-of-machine-with-smb-share
[04:28] <ben> k
[04:28] <|QuaD|> ben: you shouldn't use hoary unless you know what you are doing
[04:28] <Rene_S> How in the heck do I make my Ubuntu machine see my wifes Window98 machine, she scammed the printer and I cant use it.
[04:29] <verden01> is hoary the next release?
[04:29] <scotth> verden01, yes
[04:29] <ben> uhhh, how many 64 byte packet things isn't gonna send me?
[04:29] <verden01> so its unstable?
[04:30] <scotth> verden01, but it breaks pretty frequently... right now its broken in several respects
[04:30] <ben> it's not that unstable
[04:30] <|QuaD|> do any of you read 2600?
[04:30] <Rene_S> I used to be able to share with it dunno why i cant anymore
[04:30] <scotth> ben, it sends till you CTRL-C it
[04:30] <scotth> all we want to see is that one gets through
[04:30] <ben> yeah, they got through
[04:31] <scotth> ben, and you can share between windows machines?
[04:31] <ben> scotth, yeah
[04:31] <scotth> do you have smbclient installed?
[04:31] <ben> when i go into nautilus and try to look at the windows shared computers, it just looks like it's loading stuff forever, and never stops
[04:31] <ben> yeah
[04:32] <ben> and the directories never show up
[04:32] <ben> i have this copying files dialog open, is there anyway to force quit it?
[04:33] <ben> it's been "preparing for copying" forever and wont stop
[04:33] <scotth> ummm... hit the X up at the top right?
[04:33] <ben> didn't work
[04:33] <ben> :p
[04:33] <ben> is there anyway to downgrade to warty?
[04:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> not really
[04:33] <ben> poo
[04:34] <verden01> can i apt-get and upgrade to hoary?
[04:34] <scotth> ben, smbclient -L <host_name_or_ip_of_server>
[04:34] <|QuaD|> verden01: no
[04:34] <scotth> hit enter as password dialog
[04:34] <scotth> verden01, you don't want to
[04:35] <|QuaD|> scotth: if he asked to ask how to do it.... he shouldn't be upgrading
[04:35] <scotth> verden01, stay away, madness this way lays
[04:35] <scotth> |QuaD|, I wasn't going to suggest it
[04:35] <|QuaD|> right
[04:35] <verden01> ok i'll take that advice
[04:35] <scotth> <--- is a grizled Debian unstable veteran of several years and its still broken for me
[04:35] <|QuaD|> verden01: warty is nice... stick with that
[04:35] <ben> Domain=[FAMILY]  OS=[Windows 5.1]  Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
[04:35] <ben>         Sharename       Type      Comment
[04:35] <ben>         ---------       ----      -------
[04:35] <ben>         IPC$            IPC       Remote IPC
[04:35] <ben>         print$          Disk      Printer Drivers
[04:35] <ben>         SharedDocs      Disk
[04:35] <ben>         Backup          Disk
[04:35] <ben>         ADMIN$          Disk      Remote Admin
[04:35] <ben>         C$              Disk      Default share
[04:36] <ben> session request to <IP_ADDRESS> failed (Called name not present)
[04:36] <scotth> ewww no!!! ben no pasting
[04:36] <ben> session request to 192 failed (Called name not present)
[04:36] <verden01> yeah it runs great on my AMD64 machine
[04:36] <ben> Domain=[FAMILY]  OS=[Windows 5.1]  Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
[04:36] <ben>         Server               Comment
[04:36] <|QuaD|> scotth: yeah... i used sid for a while (and i loved it) and this is a lot more unstable
[04:36] <ben>         ---------            -------
[04:36] <ben>         Workgroup            Master
[04:36] <ben>         ---------            -------
[04:36] <ben> uhoh
[04:36] <ben> lol
[04:36] <ben> scotth, oops
[04:36] <ben> where do i paste it then?
[04:36] <scotth> ben, read the motd
[04:36] <|QuaD|> ben: pastebin?
[04:36] <ben> url?
[04:36] <scotth> not the motd, the whatever its called at the top
[04:36] <|QuaD|> ben: you get 6 spankings
[04:36] <|QuaD|> scotth: (topic)
[04:36] <|QuaD|> ben: /topic
[04:36] <scotth> |QuaD|, thanks
[04:37] <|QuaD|> scotth: do you still run debian at all?
[04:37] <scotth> yup, on the server
[04:37] <scotth> wouldn't give it up for the world
[04:37] <scotth> what about yourself?
[04:37] <ben> paste.plone.org doesn't work
[04:37] <ben> ugh
[04:37] <Xenguy> ben: you can use #flood
[04:38] <Xenguy> too
[04:38] <|QuaD|> i only have one machine, ran debian unstable for like 2.5 years.... begining of november decided to try suse
[04:38] <|QuaD|> it was on their for 2 days, i decided i hated it, couldn't live with it any longer
[04:38] <|QuaD|> and here i am now :)
[04:38] <scotth> |QuaD|, I work for the csee department at West Virginia University, its all debian here
[04:38] <ben> scotth, so...
[04:38] <ben> what's next?
[04:38] <|QuaD|> scotth: what do you do there/
[04:39] <Xenguy> scotth: BOFH? ;-)
[04:39] <scotth> ben, paste it intl #flood
[04:39] <|QuaD|> scotth: i am a cse/ee major at BU
[04:39] <|QuaD|> graduating in ma
[04:39] <|QuaD|> y
[04:39] <ben> but it's right in there
[04:39] <scotth> Xenguy, you got me, I'm the sys-admin here... well one of them
[04:39] <Xenguy> hehe
[04:39] <|QuaD|> scotth: are you looking to employ a new grad?????
[04:40] <ben> scotth, there, i pasted it
[04:40] <scotth> |QuaD|, I'm not a in charge of hireing, but I do know we are looking for a new full time position
[04:40] <|QuaD|> scotth: if you are confortable sharing, what is the pay like for what you are looking for?
[04:41] <|QuaD|> and how experienced is necessary?
[04:41] <scotth> ben, post the command you used
[04:41] <rattboi> hey, has anyone done bootsplash?
[04:41] <ben> smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:42] <scotth> |QuaD|, I have no clue... I'm a student worker... they are basically looking for a position to replace me and another student worker who is graduating this month... I hear they pay pretty well though...
[04:42] <rattboi> yo |QuaD|
[04:42] <ben> ...
[04:42] <scotth> ben, I'm looking at your output
[04:42] <ben> k
[04:42] <|QuaD|> hey rattboi
[04:43] <scoon> scotth, that made me laff
[04:43] <|QuaD|> scotth: negative is living in WV :) i am a big city man
[04:43] <|QuaD|> scotth: pretty well as in 40k? 50k? 60k?
[04:43] <scotth> scoon, why laugh?
[04:43] <scoon> scotth, -> "ben, I'm looking at your output" I almost thought I was in some weird SINGLES room.
[04:44] <ben> lol
[04:44] <scoon> damn chatter bots.
[04:44] <scotth> |QuaD|, I have no clue... but I know my boss goes out and burns 1k on boos regularly on weekends... so he must be banking some serious stuff... plus my other boss is "faculty equivalent" and all he has is a bs
[04:44] <scoon> perving up again.
[04:44] <|QuaD|> lol
[04:44] <scotth> scoon, yeah something like that
[04:45] <scoon> ha-ha
[04:45] <scoon> :O
[04:45] <|QuaD|> scotth: if you don't mind doing some research, it would be greatly appreciate, also curious how much experience is necessary
[04:45] <scotth> ben, smbclient -U <user-name> -L <server> and enter in your password
[04:45] <scotth> |QuaD|, they are going to start advertising it soon with all the relavent specs... let me see if I can find the website
[04:46] <lupus_> can someone tell me with what I can generate a changelog from cvs commits info
[04:46] <ben> scotth, gave me the same thing as before
[04:46] <|QuaD|> scotth: :)
[04:47] <ben> username of an admin on the windows comp, right? and the password is the password to that username?
[04:47] <|QuaD|> rattboi: do you know if kremlyn ever got his monitors working?
[04:48] <wasabi> wow this ubuntu live cd is slick
[04:48] <scotth> ben, yeah
[04:48] <ben> nope, gives me the same thing
[04:48] <scotth> actually you want to use the username/password your trying to use on your ubuntu system...
[04:48] <|QuaD|> wasabi: if you like the live cd, you should try the real os:)
[04:49] <wasabi> um. i have.
[04:49] <wasabi> THe licecd has a graphical boot up sequence
[04:49] <wasabi> live
[04:49] <ben> scotth, what do you mean?
[04:49] <ben> so the username and password of my ubuntu system?
[04:49] <scotth> nope
[04:49] <ben> ?
[04:50] <ben> i'm confused
[04:50] <scotth> your trying to do stuff from your ubuntu system on your smb shares... like access files and printers right? are you providing a password there?
[04:51] <ben> before i was just using the username and pass of an admin on the windows comp, and it was working for printer stuff
[04:51] <ben> but now it isn't
[04:51] <rattboi> can anyone point me to something about getting bootsplash to work?
[04:51] <ben> and no, i don't have the smb shares password protected
[04:51] <ben> i don't believe
[04:51] <scotth> but the admin username/password gets all that info from the smb server right?
[04:51] <scotth> hmmm... samba seems to be working then...
[04:51] <ben> i guess so
[04:52] <ben> oohh, is that why i can never edit the username password stuff for the printer properties?
[04:52] <ben> it gets it from the windows comp?
[04:52] <scotth> ben, can you paste the output again in #flood?
[04:53] <ben> there
[04:53] <ben> brb
[04:53] <ben> gonna see if there is a problem with printer sharing or something on the windows comp
[04:55] <scotth> ben, when you get back try smbclient -U ben -L <name of windows server>
[04:56] <scotth> |QuaD|, I can't seem to find out jobs posting site, Ill ask my boss tomorrow about it
[04:56] <|QuaD|> scotth: :) thanks, i'll be around
[04:57] <ben> back
[04:57] <scotth> |QuaD|, how familiar are you with debian?
[04:57] <ben> ok, i'll try that
[04:57] <scotth> ben, see above
[04:57] <|QuaD|> scotth: i am pretty familiar with it :)
[04:57] <|QuaD|> i have used it for 3 years
[04:57] <|QuaD|> just switched to this in november
[04:57] <verden01> Debian rocks
[04:57] <scotth> |QuaD|, any python/zope experience?
[04:58] <scotth> verden01, w00t
[04:58] <|QuaD|> scotth: nope :(
[04:58] <|QuaD|> php and perl
[04:58] <scotth> perl is good
[04:58] <|QuaD|> scotth: i can learn thouhg, i pick these up pretty fast
[04:58] <scotth> we have a lot of legacy crap on perl
[04:58] <|QuaD|> yeah... i am not the best with perl... i hold my own with it though
[04:58] <calamari_> hi
[04:58] <ben> scotth: yay, look wat it outputted
[04:59] <ben> brb
[04:59] <|QuaD|> scotth: as long as their is an o'reilly book, i can learn it
[04:59] <|QuaD|> fast
[04:59] <scotth> |QuaD|, for python I would suggest dive into python, I'm a python fanatic though... I love it to death
[05:00] <calamari_> I finally replaced grub with lilo, and now it doesn't finish booting :/ hehe.  Here is my error: VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1).  (etc).  I'm seeing a lot on the net about this, but none if seems to be helping so I thought I'd ask here
[05:00] <verden01> does anyone know what program i would use to make a vcd or dvd from my handycam?
[05:00] <|QuaD|> scotth: not suggesting an o'reilly book??? heathen!!! jk.... the reason i use o'reilly is because I like that they are geared toward someone who knows how to program, just doesn't know the language nad needs to learn it
[05:00] <|QuaD|> scotth: if i learn python i will keep that in mind
[05:00] <calamari_> quad: I have python in a nutshell.  It seems decent
[05:01] <|QuaD|> its weird, people who like python, LOVE IT... but otherwise they usually don't use it
[05:01] <ben> back
[05:01] <|QuaD|> there is no middle ground
[05:01] <|QuaD|> with python
[05:01] <calamari_> it could use more code examples than it has, though
[05:01] <scotth> |QuaD|, what do you mean?
[05:01] <scotth> |QuaD|, I use it all the time
[05:01] <scotth> its fantastic
[05:02] <regeya> there's two classes of people: 1.) harcore python programmers, and 2.) people who think they need { and } or BEGIN and END
[05:02] <scotth> ben, that output looks better... but I can't see a printer share there
[05:02] <calamari_> if I want to write fast code, qbasic is the only way to go
[05:02] <|QuaD|> scotth: you either love it, or its not really useful
[05:02] <scotth> ben, your printer would look like  "ps711esb        Printer   HP LaserJet 2200"
[05:02] <ben> scotth, well i'm sure it's being shared, because i just checked
[05:02] <|QuaD|> if i want to write fast code, I write in 0's and 1's..... its easier
[05:02] <regeya> or people who think they need to be able to do something like for(a=0;a<32767;a++) { aslkjhaslkjhlsdjghlskj; ljfdhgkajg;a asdj; asdkjh ;adg kjhdasgkjsh; }
[05:02] <calamari_> that should have been "code fast" :)
[05:03] <|QuaD|> haha... i am a huge fan of php
[05:03] <ben> well, i g2g guys
[05:03] <|QuaD|> as i learn more and more php, i like it more and more
[05:03] <ben> thanks for you help scotth, maybe i'll see you another time
[05:03] <ben> bye
[05:04] <scotth> |QuaD|, I don't get what your saying... I just wrote a configuration utility for our automated installer and its maybe 10 lines of code for the central portion and everything else is plugins... its mad sweet
[05:04] <|QuaD|> though... it doesn't have the power of perl
[05:04] <|QuaD|> scotth: thats my point
[05:04] <regeya> python can be fast too.  python, like many other languages, has had cruft thrown onto it to make peoples' lives easier, so it's gotten some ugly things thrown in.
[05:04] <|QuaD|> scotth: most people don't use it, but the people who do LOVE IT
[05:04] <|QuaD|> they can't live without it
[05:04] <regeya> perl...perl reaffirmed my belief that I'm an idiot.
[05:04] <palle1> error matching hash 96e044024aa21086b2eb928e3498a45b
[05:04] <vsb> just now i installed ubunto in my machine but when i am logging in itsdirectly starts firefox and console. How shuld i remove it
[05:05] <vsb> my session-> startup programs is empty
[05:06] <regeya> I mean, I remember going to a local LUG and watching this guy write what looked like line noise.  I think I took notes and I'm still not sure how it worked, exactly.
[05:07] <vsb> regeya is it for me
[05:07] <|QuaD|> regeya: hehe :)
[05:07] <scotth> regeya, we have several custom mods to request-tracker2 and sympa here that I am responsible for taking care of and I can't make hids or tails of it... luckily I have obsoleted it all and we are moving on...
[05:08] <calamari_> hmm.. googled a few more things to try for my boot problem.. bbiafm from ubuntu hopefully
[05:08] <|QuaD|> installing win2k3 on qemu is a long process
[05:09] <|QuaD|> win2k3 gives you an estimated complete time, it has been stuck on 24 for like 45 minutes
[05:09] <|QuaD|> lol
[05:09] <|QuaD|> probably longer
[05:09] <|QuaD|> was at 30 minutes 2 hours ago
[05:10] <|QuaD|> and its funny cuz qemu's motto is 'qemu is a fast processor emulator'
[05:10] <scotth> |QuaD|, why are you doing that exactly?
[05:11] <|QuaD|> scotth: i want to see what win2k3 is like? i have a project that needs .dot and i want to use visual studio (if possible), and also to try out qemu because i want to start playing around with gnu hurd
[05:11] <|QuaD|> and lastly, trillian 3 looks nice and i want to try it
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> arvo all
[05:12] <scotth> |QuaD|, you are insane... installing win2k3 on qemu and wanting to play with the hurd... have you checked one of your fine local insane assylums? I hear they are beautiful this time of year
[05:12] <|QuaD|> scotth: if you have a pc for me to install them on... let me know (they can be remote), i don't have any other options!
[05:14] <scotth> we have hardware out the anus... but there is no way windows is getting on any of it... its like having your children beaten by a stranger from washington
[05:14] <|QuaD|> scotth: we can work with hurd
[05:14] <|QuaD|> lol
[05:16] <scotth> I know the hurd runs nicely on bochs
[05:16] <|QuaD|> scotth: plus i get soo much from msft for free through the msdaa that i want to try it all out and remind myself why i chose linux
[05:17] <scotth> one of my friends used to run it and hack on it... he was insane....
[05:17] <|QuaD|> scotth: yeah
[05:17] <cbpye_> I think I've got a memory leak/
[05:17] <|QuaD|> scotth: i want to start playing with a microkernel
[05:17] <scotth> cbpye, I know I have a memory leak... I can't remember last night
[05:17] <|QuaD|> cbpye: uh oh
[05:17] <cbpye_> 2 GB of ram over here, 1 GB is free, and all I'm running is GNOME, XMMS, X-chat, and gkrellm, and whatever else is in the BG.
[05:17] <moquist> vsb: I'm new to ubuntu myself, so I don't have your answer.  but what's in your ~/.gnome2/session file?
[05:17] <cbpye_> 115 procs
[05:17] <scotth> |QuaD|, I want to as well... Ive been looking at the L4 spec
[05:18] <|QuaD|> cbpye: run top
[05:18] <|QuaD|> find out what is hogging it
[05:18] <|QuaD|> or do a ps aux
[05:18] <scotth> cbpye, actually run free -m
[05:18] <|QuaD|> scotth: i assumed he knows that
[05:18] <|QuaD|> scotth: l4?
[05:18] <scotth> youll notice a lot of buffers and cache taking up that space
[05:18] <cbpye_> cbpye@chernobyl3:~ $ free -m
[05:18] <cbpye_>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[05:18] <cbpye_> Mem:          2027       1075        952          0          4         74
[05:18] <cbpye_> -/+ buffers/cache:        995       1032
[05:18] <cbpye_> Swap:          549          4        544
[05:19] <scotth> cbpye, ewww no paste... use #flood next time
[05:19] <|QuaD|> that looks right
[05:19] <cbpye_> sorry
[05:19] <cbpye_> looks right?
[05:19] <|QuaD|> now go find out what is using memory
[05:20] <|QuaD|> cbpye: heh... i don't know why i wrote that
[05:20] <cbpye_> QuaD: join #flood
[05:20] <|QuaD|> i need $$ to build a new computer
[05:20] <|QuaD|> cbpye: use a pastebin
[05:22] <cbpye_> Scare Tactics is great.
[05:22] <|QuaD|> ?
[05:22] <cbpye_> you know, the corny show on sci-fi
[05:22] <cbpye_> but that's off-topic
[05:22] <|QuaD|> my qemu win2k3 installation is STILL at 24minutes :(
[05:22] <|QuaD|> cbpye: nope, i don't have a tv :(
[05:23] <|QuaD|> sold it so that I could eat this month
[05:23] <|QuaD|> money is tight
[05:23] <scotth> |QuaD|, its the l4 micro kernel spec... l4ka.org or somesuch
[05:24] <|QuaD|> scotth: is it used for any os's?
[05:24] <cbpye_> Quad: http://pastebin.com/126696
[05:24] <scotth> |QuaD|, no os's yet... its mainly a research kernel so far... but hurd is planning to move to it one day... its super fast from what I hear
[05:25] <|QuaD|> scotth: don't theyhave their mach kernel?
[05:25] <|QuaD|> cbpye: why am i looking at this?
[05:26] <cbpye_> because I have no clue whatsoever where I can find out what's using how much RAM.
[05:27] <scotth> |QuaD|, mach is slow from what I hear... too much crap they don't need... the biggest blockage as far as the switch goes is that ipc with mach is asyncronous while l4 is syncronous... but l4's ipc is so fast that it doesn't matter that its syncronous... or thats the thought
[05:28] <|QuaD|> scotth: interesting... i just think microkernels are a nice idea
[05:28] <cbpye_> the only thing using a ton of ram there is...
[05:28] <scotth> |QuaD|, they are a nice idea
[05:29] <cbpye_> root      4161  3.1  1.7<PHONE_NUMBER>8 ?        Did notice that lilo defaulted to my old 386 kernel rather than the new k7 kernel, but that change didn't seem to matter.
[05:36] <scotth> |QuaD|, thats crappy
[05:36] <scotth> why can't you do it in the dom?
[05:36] <toresbe> I'm writing this paper tape archival system and it ust refuses top work
[05:37] <calamari_> any ideas how I can fix: Cannot open root device "301"?
[05:37] <calamari_> as I understand it, 301 means /dev/hda1
[05:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> correct
[05:38] <|QuaD|> scotth: no idea
[05:38] <neopark> ok i am hav'n some problems getting ubuntu installed on my power mac 7200, 250mhz 256mb ram (2) 1gb scsi drives and scsi cd rom, i have installed bootX but it will not let me select ram disk and i could use some help w/ this install, i have already read all the info avail on the ubuntu web site.
[05:38] <calamari_> my old debian 3.0 cd is able to get me to a login prompt (console) when I specify rescue root=/dev/hda1, so I know I'm not completely broken down
[05:38] <|QuaD|> and to make it worse, the api for what i want to integrate is in java
[05:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> neopark: 1gb isn't enough to install ubuntu
[05:38] <|QuaD|> and the company isn't that good at giving me access to it
[05:39] <scotth> |QuaD|, what is "it"?
[05:39] <calamari_> I might give up on lilo and go back to grub, but I really liked lilo's way of getting to the boot menu via shift
[05:40] <|QuaD|> heh... my cellphone
[05:40] <|QuaD|> i have a danger sidekick 2
[05:41] <|QuaD|> and the reason i want thunderbird over kmail or evolution is because i want it to be easily ported to many platforms
[05:43] <scotth> |QuaD|, cool idea, but better to write an app in the dom cause supposedly one day it won't even be tied to browser
[05:44] <|QuaD|> tied to browser?
[05:44] <scotth> anyway... late... I'm out... Ill try to get that info to you tomorrow |QuaD|
[05:45] <|QuaD|> alright thanks :)
[05:50] <Gmail> OMG firefox closed it self
[05:51] <Gmail> and /home umount ed
[05:51] <Gmail> AHHHHHH
[05:51] <|QuaD|> Gmail: warty?
[05:52] <Gmail> hoary
[05:52] <|QuaD|> Gmail: when i ran warty it would do that occasionally
[05:52] <Gmail> |QuaD|: this never happened before
[05:53] <Gmail> and i can't even open gnome-terminal
[05:53] <|QuaD|> oh wow... that stinks
[05:53] <Gmail> and i check and saw that /home is umount from tsy1
[05:54] <Gmail> *tty1
[05:55] <Gmail> well i remounted it
[05:55] <Gmail> and all works
[05:56] <Gmail> OMG it umount AGAIN
[05:58] <|QuaD|> lol
[05:58] <Gmail> _HolyGod: please change your nick
[05:58] <|QuaD|> haha... why did you tell him to change his nick?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> I guess some people would find that nick offensive
[06:06] <lev> Can someone help me? I still cant get my sound to work..
[06:07] <moquist> lev: what's the problem?
[06:07] <moquist> lev: how are you testing (which application) and what is the error message?
[06:08] <lev> There is no error it just does not work lol
[06:08] <lev> My sound is not workin
[06:08] <lev> someone tried to help me yesterday but it is still not workin
[06:08] <lev> i have a Dell inspiron 8600.
[06:08] <lev> On the ubuntu site is said something about adding acpi_...... to some file
[06:09] <moquist> lev: yeah, but what sound are you expecting to hear that you are not hearing?  are you using totem?  xmms?  mplayer?
[06:09] <lev> The login scren sound
[06:09] <lev> any sound.
[06:09] <lev> nothing is workin
[06:09] <wasabi> How does Ubuntu's initrd know to load a certain scsi driver?
[06:09] <wasabi> And how can I change it?
[06:10] <moquist> lev: do you know what sound card you have? ('lspci' will tell you if you don't know)
[06:10] <lev> its Ac '97
[06:10] <swab___> When I plug in my ipod it gets mounted automatically, but I want gtkpod to handle loading the correct modules and mounting the device, how do i prevent the automounting?  I did edit my fstab to noauto.
[06:11] <lev> intel corp.
[06:11] <moquist> lev: do you know for sure that the ac97 module is loaded?
[06:11] <Hrdwr_BoB> swab___: it's hotplug that does that
[06:12] <lev> How do i check?
[06:12] <moquist> lev: lsmod [| grep ac97 if you want]
[06:12] <swab___> Hrdwr_BoB: Any idea how to stop hotplug from mounting the device? I still want it to mount my other USB drives
[06:13] <lev> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_intel8x0
[06:13] <lev> snd                    50660  9 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[06:14] <lev> i have no idea what i am looking for.
[06:14] <moquist> lev: that looks right, I think.
[06:14] <calamari_> does anyone know how I can get grub reinstalled?  I tried lilo and it messed up my boot.
[06:14] <lev> So why isnt it working? :(
[06:14] <moquist> lev: do you know that the volume is turned up?
[06:14] <lev> Oh shoot... HAHAHAHA
[06:14] <lev> Um..
[06:14] <lev> i installed aumix
[06:15] <lev> but it wont let me adjust the system volume.
[06:15] <thoreauputic> lev: did you run alsaconf ?
[06:15] <lev> no whats that?
[06:15] <moquist> lev: might be a perms problem then.  but try "Applications --> Multimedia --> Volume Control" first.
[06:16] <lev> " no mixer found.
[06:16] <moquist> lev: what said that?  alsaconf or Vol Cotrol?
[06:16] <lev> vol control
[06:16] <lev> what is alsaconfig?
[06:17] <moquist> lev: ls -l /dev/mixer /dev/dsp /dev/snd/
[06:17] <moquist> lev: i'm not sure.  I don't have it in my path...
[06:17] <moquist> lev: you might want to query me privately to past the results of the ls.  it'll be kinda ugly for here.
[06:17] <lev> ok
[06:17] <lev> thanks for your helo BTW.
[06:18] <lev> help*
[06:18] <moquist> np
[06:18] <Muskrat> Ubuntu vs. Gentoo, why or why not?
[06:19] <toresbe> Muskrat: Ubuntu. Gentoo took me AGES to set up and  I'm a Linux geek.
[06:19] <melazyboy> has fglrx been fixed to work with xorg?
[06:19] <calamari_> does anyone know how I can get grub reinstalled?  I tried lilo and it messed up my boot.
[06:19] <Muskrat> aye, but what about usability
[06:19] <sm> grub-install
[06:19] <toresbe> calamari_: If memory serves grub-install device
[06:20] <calamari_> sm, toresbe: thanks
[06:20] <moquist> toresbe: i dunno yet.  i'm a gentooer who just installed ubuntu today.  i'm new to debian and gnome as well, but I'm getting along ok so far.
[06:20] <toresbe> Muskrat: Ubuntu is far easier to use.
[06:20] <toresbe> Muskrat: Far, far, far, *FAR* easier
[06:20] <Muskrat> lol
[06:21] <moquist> newbie question: can anybody tell me a quick way to check out my kernel config?  /proc/config.gz doesn't seem to exist, and I don't have my (generic ubuntu) kernel sources installed.  I'd like to look at the default Ubuntu kernel config...
[06:21] <toresbe> moquist: There shoiuld be a Config* file in /boot
[06:21] <melazyboy> moquist, apt-get install kernel-tree, vim /etc/sources/linux/.config
[06:22] <moquist> toresbe: sorry, my response to the gentoo/ubuntu question was intended for Muskrat.  just typed the wrong nick.
[06:22] <moquist> toresbe, melazyboy: thx
[06:24] <moquist> Muskrat: which part of usability are you asking about?  administration?
[06:24] <moquist> toresbe: no /boot/Config* here
[06:25] <rattboi> what's the difference of apt-get and aptitude?
[06:25] <moquist> toresbe: nm, it's /boot/config*
[06:25] <moquist> rattboi: curses?
[06:29] <rattboi> has anyone tried bootsplash on ubuntu?
[06:33] <sm> yes
[06:33] <sm> it's not really working for me
[06:33] <rattboi> sm, you have?
[06:33] <toresbe> rattboi: apt-get is a text-only system/. Aptitude is a user-friendly package browser for consoles, and synaptic is a graphiucal one
[06:33] <rattboi> oh
[06:33] <rattboi> yeah, I use apt-get and synaptic
[06:34] <rattboi> I saw some people using aptitude, just didn't know what it was
[06:34] <toresbe> rattboi: They are all front-ends to dpkg. Apologies for typos, I have a cut on my finger
[06:34] <rattboi> that's cool
[06:34] <rattboi> just ran aptitude
[06:34] <rattboi> ...I think I'll stick with synaptic when I can
[06:35] <toresbe> I prefer using juyst apt-cache search, apt-cache show and apt-get
[06:36] <rattboi> well, one of the main reasons I got ubuntu is because it looks good
[06:36] <rattboi> don't want to spend all my time at console, or I'd just install DSL or something
[06:36] <rattboi> so nobody got bootsplash to work?
[06:37] <rattboi> I think I want bootsplash and I need to get captive-ntfs working and I'm done messing with my system for a while
[06:37] <melazyboy> ...
[06:37] <melazyboy> dear god
[06:37] <melazyboy> don't want to spend all my time at console, or I'd just
[06:37] <melazyboy>                  install DSL or something
[06:38] <moquist> heh; my primary task thus far in ubuntu has been to make the good-looking things go away.  i like ion2 and xterm, and that's it.  console is my friend...
[06:38] <netsplit> Have you a slow computer moquist?
[06:38] <rattboi> netsplit: I do, but I don't care :P
[06:38] <melazyboy> moquist: Why not just use debian net install, starts you off with almost nothing
[06:39] <melazyboy> moquist: switch to the ubuntu repository (for what ever reason you would want to do that that)
[06:39] <melazyboy> moquist:
[06:39] <moquist> melazyboy: 'cuz I want to explore ubuntu, not debian.  :)
[06:39] <redhedgehog> I need help with configuring the rate on my wireless card. Anybody here know how I can switch from 2Mb/s to 11Mb/s?
[06:40] <moquist> melazyboy: I probably won't really get rid of all the pretties.  i might try gnome+ion2 if I can make them play ok together.  (i haven't used any desktop env for a couple years now)
[06:40] <rattboi> what's ion2?
[06:42] <netsplit> Probably some kind of window manager?
[06:42] <moquist> rattboi: ion2 is a window manager that assumes a different type of windowing model.
[06:43] <rattboi> wait, I think I know it
[06:43] <netsplit> Keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows (v2)
[06:43] <moquist> rattboi: the premise (from my perspective, anyway) is that you don't want any wasted space on your desktop - i.e., why is there a need for a background?
[06:43] <rattboi> because i had that same idea before
[06:43] <netsplit> I tried ratpoison or something like that once.
[06:43] <rattboi> I was like "it'd be cool if" and there was ion2
[06:43] <moquist> netsplit: and the keyboard-friendliness is the other primary draw for me.  if I can not use my mouse, that's wonderful.
[06:43] <rattboi> :P
[06:43] <netsplit> But never got to learning all the keyboard bindings.
[06:44] <moquist> or rather, not need to use my mouse.
[06:44] <rattboi> of course, this is when I was using windows, so I didn't really research it much
[06:44] <moquist> rattboi: from the Ion project Manifesto: "Usability simply does not equal low learning curve".  I agree wholeheartedly.
[06:45] <moquist> rattboi: The manifesto is worth reading, and it's here: http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
[06:45] <jemfinch> am I missing something, or is there no Plone package for Ubuntu?
[06:46] <rattboi> what's Plone?
[06:46] <rattboi> I saw that yersterday somwehere
[06:46] <jemfinch> Plone is an OSS CMS for Zope, which is an Application Server written in python.
[06:46] <jemfinch> Plone runs the website for ubuntulinux.org.
[06:46] <moquist> rattboi: Plone is "Plone: A user friendly and powerful open source Content Management System"  http://www.plone.org/
[06:46] <rattboi> oh, that's where I saw it
[06:46] <rattboi> on ubuntu's site
[06:46] <moquist> :)
[06:48] <unshavenyak> Quick question if anyone feels like answring it.  When I try to run an install script I get the error bash; ./installMapleLinuxSU: bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission Denied
[06:48] <unshavenyak> Any ideas why I get this error?
[06:49] <moquist> unshavenyak: what's the first line of the install script?  'head -n1 installMapleLinuxSU'
[06:50] <moquist> unshavenyak: well, regardless, your installscript is attempting to execute an interpreter (the bash shell, in this case) that either doesn't exist or is not executable by the current user.
[06:50] <unshavenyak> !/bin/sh
[06:50] <unshavenyak> hrmm I'm executing it as root and I'm fairly certain bash is installed
[06:52] <moquist> unshavenyak: I'm confused by a couple things.  That line should be "#!/bin/sh", not "!/bin/sh".
[06:53] <unshavenyak> sorry I missed the pound sign
[06:53] <unshavenyak> it is #!/bin/sh
[06:53] <moquist> unshavenyak: did you paste the error message exactly?
[06:53] <unshavenyak> yes, one sec i'll paste the entire string for you
[06:54] <unshavenyak> [root@midgard cdrom] # ./installMapleLinuxSU
[06:54] <unshavenyak> bash: ./installMapleLinuxSU: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[06:54] <unshavenyak> [root@midgard cdrom] #
[06:54] <moquist> unshavenyak: what happens if you just execute '/bin/sh' on the command line?
[06:55] <unshavenyak> nothing
[06:56] <moquist> unshavenyak: try changing that first line to #!/bin/bash and see what happens.  :)
[06:56] <unshavenyak> Ok will do
[06:57] <unshavenyak> ah I can't, it's a read-only file system
[06:57] <unshavenyak> darn CD-Rom
[06:57] <unshavenyak> hrmm I'll try copying the volume to my HDD and then let you know what happens
[06:57] <moquist> wha?  so judging by the HOWTO: Ubuntu Multimedia forum topic, there is no mplayer package?
[06:57] <moquist> unshavenyak: k
[06:58] <unshavenyak> well that's just neat
[06:58] <unshavenyak> installs perfectly when files are copied to the HDD
[06:59] <unshavenyak> Thank you for the help moquist!
[07:00] <moquist> unshavenyak: heh, glad to, er, help.  ;)
[07:01] <jemfinch> so again, is there no Plone package for Ubuntu?
[07:01] <jemfinch> apt-cache search comes up empty.
[07:02] <moquist> jemfinch: I guess you mean without enabling universal?
[07:02] <hyrcan> jemfinch I think thats in "universe"
[07:02] <moquist> er, "universe"
[07:02] <jemfinch> moquist: I'm not an Ubuntu power-user or anything, what do I need to do to enable universal and get Plone?
[07:02] <moquist> root@philonous:~ # apt-cache search zope-cmfplone
[07:02] <moquist> zope-cmfplone - A zope/cmf-based content management system
[07:03] <moquist> jemfinch: it's on the Ubuntu forums: http://tinyurl.com/3nz3v
[07:03] <jemfinch> moquist: thanks.
[07:04] <kremlyn> y0
[07:04] <moquist> jemfinch: np
[07:04] <kremlyn> Anyone know how to connect to an SMB share in Nautilus, specifying a username/password?
[07:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> smb://user:pass@server/share
[07:05] <kremlyn> It seems if I specify a share, it gives me a login dialogue, but if I just try to connect to the SMB box, it tells me I'm unauthorised
[07:05] <melazyboy> kremlyn: You can't... it will just fail silently...
[07:05] <moquist> anyone know how to get libmp3lame.so?  the LAME SF page says "LAME is only distributed in source code form."  So how do I do this in debian/Ubuntu?
[07:05] <hyrcan> you can also go to Network and add server it'll prompt you for info
[07:05] <kremlyn> Hrdwr_BoB, is there a way to browse shares?
[07:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> smb://user:pass@server/
[07:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> ok gtg
[07:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> catch dude
[07:06] <kremlyn> cya
[07:06] <kremlyn> hyrcan: Where can I do that?
[07:07] <hyrcan> moquist >  you can check out this repository... I think it has it, and it has mplayer....   ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[07:08] <novaburst> what is the shell command to display what version of the kernal your running?
[07:08] <novaburst> kernal=kernel
[07:08] <calamari> uname -a
[07:08] <moquist> novaburst: uname
[07:08] <novaburst> thank you
[07:08] <moquist> novaburst: what calamari said :)
[07:09] <novaburst> ahh,that did it, thanks guys :)
[07:09] <|QuaD|> what is "gam_server"
[07:09] <crimsun> gam is the replacement for fam
[07:09] <|QuaD|> is it supposed to use up 100% of my cpu?
[07:09] <|QuaD|> lol
[07:09] <|QuaD|> can i turn it off?
[07:09] <moquist> hyrcan: hmm.  sorry, newbie question: so can I add that URL to my sources.list file to always be using it?
[07:09] <hyrcan> yeah
[07:10] <moquist> hyrcan: k; thanks.
[07:10] <hyrcan> you can also add it through synaptic
[07:10] <crimsun> |QuaD|: 100% probably not. But it's used.
[07:11] <moquist> hyrcan: ok, so this is a Binary repository, got that.  what do I put for the "Distribution" and the "Section(s):"?
[07:13] <hyrcan> Kremlyn > if you go to "Network"  in the Nautilus menu you should see "add server" or is it Connect to server... can't remember now...
[07:13] <rattboi> I downloaded a vanilla 2.6.9 kernel
[07:13] <GotD0t> can anybody help me? gnome crashed on me while i was writing an essay in openoffice, and now i can't get back into OO because it still techincally open
[07:13] <hyrcan> Distribution : testing               Sections: main
[07:13] <rattboi> how do I get my current kernel config in there?
[07:13] <GotD0t> i cant seem to kill it
[07:13] <moquist> GotD0t: do you need to save what you wrote?
[07:14] <moquist> GotD0t: I don't know if that's possible, but your best chance is while OO is still running.
[07:14] <crimsun> rattboi: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux-2.6.9/.config
[07:14] <GotD0t> moquist: it saves every 2 minutes... and i was stuck on something for a while, so im fine
[07:14] <crimsun> rattboi: cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.9 && make oldconfig
[07:14] <moquist> GotD0t: have you tried "kill -9"?  That's what I always have to do when OO crashes with procs left over...
[07:14] <crimsun> rattboi: make sure you read up (search google) on the initrd procedure
[07:14] <GotD0t> moquist: how is that diff from kill PID?
[07:15] <moquist> GotD0t: from 'man kill': "KILL       9   exit      this signal may not be blocked"
[07:15] <hyrcan> GotD0t:  open a console and run "ps -A |grep oowriter (or just oo) and it will show you the pid of OO... then do a kill -9 $pidnumber
[07:15] <GotD0t> moquist: thanks... it worked
[07:15] <hyrcan> or a killall oowriter
[07:15] <moquist> GotD0t: the soffice processes catch the regular kill signal.  nothing can intercept "kill -9".
[07:16] <GotD0t> moquist: well thats rude of it
[07:16] <rattboi> moquist: I think xine must do that too then
[07:16] <hyrcan> lol
[07:16] <rattboi> because I had to kill -9 it
[07:16] <rattboi> killall wouldn't work
[07:16] <moquist> rattboi, hyrcan, GotD0t: "killall -9 blahblah" would work.
[07:16] <calamari> does kill -9 free memory and etc?
[07:17] <moquist> calamari: yeah, but it doesn't let the process clean up.  i.e., the process is simply stopped cold.  it doesn't have any chance to flush data, etc.
[07:17] <moquist> calamari: that's why some processes catch the regular kill signal - so they can clean up and exit gracefully.
[07:18] <GotD0t> moquist: except OOo doesn't exit at all when you do that?
[07:18] <moquist> GotD0t: right.  i always have to 'kill -i' OO/soffice if I have to kill it at all.
[07:18] <GotD0t> moquist: whats -i mean
[07:19] <moquist> GotD0t: crap.  i mean't "-9".
[07:19] <GotD0t> hehe
[07:19] <moquist> ack!
[07:19] <calamari> moquist: oic thanks, that makes sense
[07:21] <rattboi> damn, I hope this works
[07:21] <rattboi> I'm gonna try and get bootsplash working on 2.6.9
[07:21] <rattboi> so I can impress my friends
[07:21] <hyrcan> hehe
[07:22] <GotD0t> bah
[07:22] <GotD0t> i like to see what my OS is doing while booting
[07:22] <hyrcan> sounds like a good reason...
[07:22] <rattboi> GotD0t: you can do verbose mode
[07:22] <GotD0t> i know... it was a joke
[07:22] <crimsun> the only bootsplash I'd use is the winnt 4 mem dump
[07:23] <GotD0t> ?
[07:23] <calamari> I actually do like to see all that stuf.. always disabled the logo when windows was booting too :)
[07:23] <GotD0t> calamari: you could do that?
[07:23] <calamari> sure
[07:23] <GotD0t> i didn't know that
[07:23] <calamari> msdos.sys  put a line logo=0
[07:23] <calamari> this is 98
[07:23] <rattboi> maybe if it wasn't exactly the same every time, I'd care more :P
[07:23] <calamari> xp probably not :)
[07:24] <GotD0t> i never knew windows knew what it was doing during bootup
[07:24] <hyrcan> whats this crazy boot up you speak of?  is that what happens when the UPS fails? ;)
[07:24] <rattboi> hyrcan: :P
[07:24] <GotD0t> crimsun: what do you mean?
[07:24] <calamari> GotD0t: yeah, in fact it keeps a bootlog.txt file so you can see it as well
[07:24] <crimsun> GotD0t: I like winNT's bsod
[07:25] <crimsun> makes me feel warm and fuzzy
[07:25] <calamari> hehe
[07:25] <GotD0t> hmm
[07:25] <crimsun> linux has the most boring boots. it's not like stuff breaks horribly. better to stare at stuff that breaks loudly.
[07:25] <hyrcan> I still have the BSOD screensaver for windows on cd...
[07:26] <calamari> I wonder if I can get this gameport gamepad working under linux
[07:26] <calamari> got my usb stick going, but the pad is nice for tetris
[07:27] <calamari> one weird thing is that my bios-disabled sound card's gameport shows up in device manager :/
[07:27] <GotD0t> hmm
[07:28] <hyrcan> thats because it's not part of you sound card...
[07:28] <calamari> hmm
[07:28] <GotD0t> i wouldn't think so either
[07:28] <calamari> actually I'm wrong, I guess it only shows up in lsmod, not device manager
[07:29] <tommie_> how do i make mplayer turn down just the videos volume and not my computers volume
[07:29] <hyrcan> a lot of the time when you disable the sound card in the bios it only cuts off the soundcard part of the MB not the gameport... which is annoying
[07:29] <reversal`> How come when I restart into windows from ubuntu my time is messed up?
[07:29] <calamari> hyrcan: oic
[07:30] <calamari> hyrcan: well I can plug the pad into that port, I don't really care as long as it works :)
[07:30] <hyrcan> hehe
[07:30] <hyrcan> reversal how is the time messed up?