[12:04] <winbond> Healot: if grub wont boot lvm , how is the raid gonna work?/
[12:04] <havoc> so no screen resizer applet in ubuntu?
[12:04] <Healot> that's why you need a small basic partition first...
[12:05] <Healot> make a non-LVM partition, install grub there, and boot from there
[12:06] <Flosoft> hey
[12:06] <Healot> yeh
[12:07] <Flosoft> is Kubuntu Dapper desktop able to write / delete files on an NTFS filesystem?
[12:07] <Healot> by default, the kernel NTFS driver cannot do that
[12:07] <havoc> Flosoft: I've heard you can get 'captive' to do it
[12:07] <Healot> third party driver required for that
[12:07] <Healot> !ntfs
[12:07] <ubotu> to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe. <!winfstab>
[12:07] <Flosoft> I need a live CD that can delete a Virus?
[12:07] <havoc> yeah, ntfs.sys
[12:08] <winbond> Healot: ok , s i can make a /boot but how can i install grub there , because grub installs at the end of the whole installation without option to choose where to install it
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> Flosoft: Linux virus
[12:08] <Flosoft> no ... ofcourse not :p
[12:08] <havoc> ok, where/what is the 'update' app?
[12:08] <Flosoft> It is of my little brother ...
[12:08] <Healot> winbond: here's my suggestion from what I usually do
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> dunno then
[12:08] <icheyne> Flosoft: I saw a live cd list that had recommendations
[12:08] <icheyne> Flosoft: I'll just try and find it
[12:09] <kjcole> Flosoft: Look online for something called "The Ultimate CD"
[12:09] <Healot> just make a small, basic/non-RAID partition, like 200MB (just enough for kernel and boot files to reside)
[12:09] <Flosoft> can it delete files on NTFS?
[12:09] <Flosoft> kjcole: I know UMBCD
[12:09] <Flosoft> or UBCD
[12:09] <icheyne> Flosoft: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php?pick=All&showonly=Windows+Antivirus&sort=&sm=1
[12:10] <Healot> then make your master volumes afterwards, so at least you can boot the kernel, and then let the kernel LVM module handles the rest of the RAID partitions
[12:10] <icheyne> Flosoft: I once saw a blogpost about antivirus using Knoppix
[12:11] <icheyne> google should find it with no probs
[12:11] <Flosoft> icheyne: Knoppix doesn't write to NTFS :(
[12:11] <icheyne> oh right
[12:11] <Flosoft> does the Linux Defender live cd?
[12:11] <icheyne> it's a LiveCD list...
[12:11] <winbond> i did this , i had 3raid partitions on each drive and one non raid partition on each and i gave me some errors ,
[12:12] <Healot> ECBD anyone... the small gadget has NTFS write driver... you can reset Windows password
[12:12] <Healot> what are the errors, winbond?
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> Flosoft: Try just telling him that if I can't look after his computer well he should use linux managed by you
[12:12] <winbond> Healot: usually something to do with kernel , but i cant tell what it was right now
[12:13] <Healot> dmesg
[12:13] <winbond> Healot: like kernel cant see changes to partitions etc etc
[12:13] <Flosoft> h3sp4wn: hehe ... well that won't happen as long as the games aren't supported on Linux ;)
[12:14] <Healot> just paste the message (to pastebin)
[12:14] <h3sp4wn> Flosoft: Get him cedega
[12:14] <kkathman> I have a set of rar files to combine into a file...does kubuntu have the tool that puts them all together?
[12:14] <icheyne> yeah I heard good things about Cedega
[12:14] <icheyne> h3sp4wn: have you tried it?
[12:14] <Healot> if you want to play Windows' games, I suggest you actually play it on Windows
[12:14] <Healot> emulator just cause more problems
[12:14] <kkathman> !rar
[12:14] <ubotu> from memory, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[12:15] <Flosoft> Healot: Can't agree more ... Cedaga is not the real thing ;)
[12:15] <winbond> Healot: do you know if there is a raid project to get grub to boot from software raid or is this something that cant be done?
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> No - I only use advancemame (to play the jap version of streetfighter 2 turbo)
[12:15] <icheyne> oh right
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> Want to buy the arcade machine when I have the cash
[12:15] <Healot> winbond: none that I know, but you can search for it...
[12:15] <Healot> unless LVM can do something like Windows' dynamic disk...
[12:16] <icheyne> I have to reconnect to Wirless assistant every time I reboot - anyone got any ideas?
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> icheyne: Why are you not using knetworkmanager
[12:16] <Healot> maybe this bit off-topic... I play Windows games on Windows, Cedega/Wine doesn't make sense to me...
[12:17] <icheyne> h3sp4wn: 'cos that's the one I found in the menus
[12:17] <icheyne> I'll try it though
[12:17] <icheyne> :)
[12:17] <icheyne> thx
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> What wireless card do you use ?
[12:17] <icheyne> rt2500
[12:17] <icheyne> works nicely :)
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> That doesn't work well with networkmanger though
[12:18] <Healot> RT rocks
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> I don't think (or it didn't)
[12:18] <Flosoft> does anyone know Marble Blast
[12:18] <icheyne> sorry got to go
[12:18] <Flosoft> ???
[12:18] <icheyne> :(
[12:18] <Healot> well the opensource driver is
[12:18] <winbond> is this server disconnecting or is my router messed up
[12:18] <Healot> nay, Flosoft
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> Atheros stuff seems to work best for me madwifi-ng is brilliant
[12:19] <h3sp4wn> Actually supports hostap properly
[12:19] <havoc> gah, no middle mouse button?
[12:20] <Healot> havoc: do your mouse have one?
[12:20] <havoc> yes
[12:20] <havoc> and scroll even works
[12:20] <Healot> but the middle doesn't work huh?
[12:20] <havoc> nope
[12:21] <havoc> no paste, no button actions
[12:21] <Healot> try to emulate 3 button mouse...
[12:21] <havoc> again with the xorg.conf
[12:21] <Healot> my middle scroller work as middle button when I do that
[12:21] <havoc> unless there's an ubuntu app for it?
[12:22] <Healot> middle button should work in most X programs
[12:22] <Tykan> what app to connect to irc does kubuntu comes with?
[12:23] <Healot> Konversation
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> konversation or kopote
[12:23] <havoc> Healot: is there an ubuntu app to turn on emulation, or do I need to edit xorg.conf again and restart X?
[12:23] <Healot> for IRC specific, Konversation
[12:23] <Tykan> i hope it's better than xchat
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> It is
[12:23] <Healot> havoc: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> (I think)
[12:23] <havoc> Healot: ok
[12:24] <Healot> I can;t remember the option to emulate 3 mouse button in xorg's config
[12:24] <havoc> I'll just edit the config
[12:24] <Healot> Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"... this one
[12:24] <havoc> bah, can't cancel dpkg-reconfigure :<
[12:24] <edneymatias> healot, Emulate3Buttons "true"?
[12:25] <havoc> sonofa.....
[12:25] <Healot> Under Section "InputDevice" >> where the this--> Identifier "Configured Mouse" ...
[12:26] <havoc> gah, can't even HUP X w/ ctrl-alt-del
[12:27] <Healot> open another tty and kill dpkg-reconfigure :-
[12:28] <havoc> Healot: done like 5min ago :)
[12:28] <icheyne> anyone tried irrc or whatever it's called?
[12:29] <havoc> sudo killall dpkg-reconfigure
[12:29] <Healot> irssi? icheyne?
[12:29] <icheyne> Healot: that's the one
[12:29] <RawSewage> Why doesnt my screen saver work
[12:29] <Healot> text-based IRC client... sounds old school :-
[12:29] <RawSewage> It doesnt activate after inactivity
[12:30] <icheyne> that's what I reckon too
[12:30] <icheyne> Konversation is good for me
[12:30] <Healot> RawSewage: because there might be some other apps running
[12:30] <Tykan> KDE > Gnome?
[12:30] <Healot> icheyne: text-based IRC clients are good for roboting
[12:30] <xwolf-> linus would say so.
[12:31] <RawSewage> Healot, computers always have apps running.  screensaver should activate if thers no keyboard or mouse input
[12:31] <icheyne> Healot: oh right - not sure that's appealed to me
[12:31] <havoc> bah, still no middle button :<
[12:31] <Healot> havoc: click both left+right button at once
[12:32] <JavaGeek> irssi++
[12:32] <Healot> or click on the middle scroller
[12:32] <RawSewage> Healot, oh well, Im reading the forums. seems to be a common problem
[12:32] <Healot> since my rat is two button+middle scroller... maybe doesn;t apply to your mouse, btw restart X?
[12:32] <havoc> Healot: yeah, that works, and emulate3buttons was true, so I disabled it
[12:33] <Healot> if you have middle mouse button, the option should be removed, or "false"
[12:33] <havoc> Healot: it's a logitech trackman optical thing,
[12:33] <havoc> I just have to screw w/ xorg.conf some more
[12:34] <Healot> mmkaty, let's see the result, result may vary from mouse to mouse
[12:35] <RawSewage> Qt: 3.3.6
[12:35] <RawSewage> KDE: 3.5.2
[12:35] <RawSewage> kde-config: 1.0
[12:36] <RawSewage> How do I upgrade to 3.5.3
[12:36] <Healot> no more Kjiten package?
[12:36] <Healot> RawSewage: goto kubuntu.org
[12:36] <Healot> there is a news/wiki/FAQ about KDE 3.5.3
[12:41] <RawSewage> ok
[12:42] <nico8481> anyone using skim ?
[12:43] <havoc> Healot: ok, got middle button thing worked out, Protocol needed to be PS/2, and the zaxismapping needed to be "6 7"
[12:43] <Healot> what protocol you previously used?
[12:43] <Healot> "auto"?
[12:43] <havoc> ubutun detected it as ExplorerPS/@
[12:43] <Healot> my mapping is 4 5
[12:44] <Healot> oh, you changed it to ImPS/2?
[12:44] <havoc> just PS/@
[12:44] <havoc> just PS/2
[12:44] <Healot> oh
[12:45] <havoc> I think I need ImPS/2 though, as now scrolling doesn't work ;)
[12:45] <Healot> i'll note that if I am going have multiple button mouse
[12:46] <havoc> ok, ImPS/2 and "4 5" mapping
[12:47] <havoc> Healot: hey, thanx a *lot* for tollerating my impatience :)
[12:47] <havoc> and to whomever else I've harassed in the past 45min or so ;)
[12:47] <Healot> does all mouse buttons work? plis the scoller
[12:47] <havoc> I'm a creature of habit, and I've been using the same system/configuration for a decade now
[12:47] <Healot> havoc: hey I am learning too... keeper if I have mouse like yours
[12:48] <havoc> Healot: no, but I don't expect them all to, I just wanted it to work the way it was working in mandrake
[12:49] <havoc> now to get wireless working on my sony vaio laptop (in ubuntu) ;)
[12:49] <havoc> *that'll* be fun
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> what chipset does the card have in it ?
[12:49] <havoc> had nothing but failure on that for the past several hours
[12:49] <havoc> h3sp4wn: orinoco something-or-other
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> based on madwifi ?
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> havoc: if you do ifconfig -a does ath0 appear ?
[12:50] <havoc> "ath0"?
[12:50] <havoc> no
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> what does it appear as ?
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> or is it not detected yet ?
[12:51] <havoc> eth1, acording to iwconfig
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> do iwlist eth1 scan what does it say
[12:52] <havoc> but the wlan it needs to run on has ssid bcast disabled, and uses a 128bit wep key
[12:52] <havoc> failed to read scan data: no data available
[12:52] <RawSewage> whats the shortcut keys for Lock Session
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just enable bcast until you get it working ?>
[12:53] <JohnFlux> any kubuntu dev here?
[12:53] <havoc> h3sp4wn: that is necessary?
[12:53] <havoc> ok, I'll enable it
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> havoc: It makes it alot easier to be able to check whether you can see the network (whether the firmware for the card is installed etc)
[12:54] <havoc> ah
[12:54] <havoc> well, iwconfig was showing signal
[12:54] <havoc> anyway, I just enabled ssi bcast
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> havoc: aircrack-ng could crack the wep in 5 mins anyway you should be using wpa iff you can
[12:54] <havoc> h3sp4wn: not an option w/ this old builtin card :(
[12:55] <havoc> I have a pcmcia card that can do wpa, but I don't want the card hanging out
[12:55] <havoc> I also do MAC filtering, but again, that can be cracked
[12:55] <havoc> ok, so ssid bcast is enabled, now what?
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> havoc: do lshw and look in the bit about the wireless card and pastebin it (You may be able to use wpa_supplicant if there is a native linux driver for the card)
[12:57] <psyke83> havoc: what card is it?
[12:57] <havoc> orinoco
[12:57] <havoc> hmm, advanced wireless opts disabled in the system settings
[12:58] <psyke83> havoc: wpa_supplicant may work with that card, have you tried NetworkManager?
[12:59] <havoc> nope, that installed by default?
[12:59] <sokuban> What do you need to build an application from source code? Do all the compilers come with kubuntu? if not, what do I need?
[01:00] <mrmist> Can't get my norwegian keyboard to work... I can't write the "alpha" symbol. Anyone know what's wrong ?
[01:01] <havoc> I need to get this thing to connect to the network even when SSID bcast is disabled
[01:03] <mrmist> Anyone ??
[01:04] <psyke83> havoc: that's not a problem afaik, I've disabled SSID broadcast on my wireless router
[01:04] <mrmist> the "alt+gr" symbols don't work at all
[01:04] <psyke83> check out knetworkmanager and wpasupplicant
[01:05] <psyke83> you need to manually install knetworkmanager, wpasupplicant should already be included
[01:05] <psyke83> at the worst you can use ndiswrapper + Windows drivers with WPA support if you're comfortable to use them (wpasupplicant supports ndiswrapper, I'm not sure about the opensource orinoco driver)
[01:06] <havoc> psyke83: installing it now
[01:06] <havoc> psyke83: WPA isn't an option w/ this card :(
[01:07] <havoc> bah, knetworkmanager won't run :(
[01:07] <psyke83> oh, your problem is only with the broadcast SSID? When it's not broadcasting you can't connect?
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> havoc: The card doesn't need wpa support to use wpa_supplicant
[01:08] <havoc> h3sp4wn: ah
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Its done in software
[01:09] <Tylerofl> does anyone know of any file browsers alternative to konqueror?
[01:09] <havoc> psyke83: haven't been able to connect at all yet
[01:10] <psyke83> havoc: as a troubleshooting measure, can you enable ssid broadcast and disable encryption on your router, to see if it will connect?
[01:11] <havoc> psyke83: done.
[01:12] <psyke83> and can you now connect?
[01:12] <havoc> now should I try going throught he Systeme Settings util again?
[01:12] <psyke83> hmm.. one sec
[01:13] <psyke83> and knetworkmanager doesn't connect?
[01:14] <havoc> what is that?
[01:14] <havoc> is there a gui that should start?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> It would be easiest debug if we knew the chipset of the card (it will be in lshw)
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> (the firmware may not be installed if its certain cards)
[01:14] <havoc> hang on
[01:14] <psyke83> havoc: if you haven't installed, from the terminal type sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[01:15] <havoc> didn't that a while back
[01:15] <havoc> *did*
[01:15] <psyke83> then run knetworkmanager
[01:16] <havoc> psyke83: ok, which bit of lshw do you want?
[01:16] <havoc> does knetworkmanager have a gui, or is it a daemon?
[01:16] <SkrotFFS> It has a GUI
[01:16] <psyke83> it has a gui that should appear in the tray area
[01:17] <havoc> ah, wasn't looking there ;)
[01:17] <havoc> ok, it's there
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> lshw | grep wireless (you should get driver=xxx somewhere in that
[01:18] <psyke83> havoc: right click, options, show networks
[01:19] <psyke83> (on the knetworkmanager icon)
[01:19] <havoc> no networks show, and no driver for wireless device
[01:19] <psyke83> ok, would you be ok with using ndiswrapper?
[01:20] <psyke83> I've no idea re: the opensource orinoco driver
[01:20] <havoc> psyke83: http://pastebin.com/771052
[01:20] <havoc> psyke83: I'll be happy with whatever *works* ;)
[01:21] <psyke83> havoc: it seems your card is enabled and working, but knetworkmanager may be confused that it's assigned as eth1 (I think it looks for wlan0/1 etc)
[01:22] <psyke83> what's your iwconfig output?
[01:23] <havoc> psyke83: http://pastebin.com/771055
[01:24] <psyke83> your router's essid is charon?
[01:25] <havoc> no, that's nto supposed to be there, I was "hacking"
[01:25] <havoc> that's the laptop's hostname
[01:25] <havoc> there are 2 WAPs
[01:25] <havoc> but I'm pretty sure "roaming" is still broken in wpa_suplicant
[01:26] <psyke83> try this: iwconfig eth1 essid "youressid"
[01:26] <psyke83> oops, sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "youressid"
[01:27] <psyke83> then try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:28] <havoc> restarting....
[01:29] <Desh> Ok, I have the source for Gaim 2.0 beta 3, I would like to install it w/o overwriting or deleting my current Gaim, is this possible?
[01:29] <psyke83> Desh: there's precompiled debs available, it may solve you some hassle
[01:29] <Desh> psyke83: Would I still keep Gaim 1.5?
[01:29] <psyke83> Desh: nope, but you can downgrade via synaptic if you want
[01:30] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks.
[01:30] <_rabby> i dont find in kubuntu file rc.conf
[01:30] <havoc> psyke83: http://pastebin.com/771066
[01:30] <jefferson> teste
[01:30] <_rabby> kubuntu have rc.conf analog?
[01:30] <psyke83> Desh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb/
[01:31] <Desh> psyke83: Thanks. :)
[01:31] <psyke83> download gaim and gaim-data, then sudo dpkg -i gaim*.deb
[01:32] <rraajj> Desh: If you really want 1.5 and 2.0.beta3 to coexist, you can compile 2.0.beta3 and install it in a different location.
[01:32] <furkan> #sourtimes
[01:33] <Random_Transit> question....is there any way i can resize my root partition without screwing it up?
[01:33] <rraajj> Desh: In the ./configure, you can set the --prefix flag to direct where "make install" will install the compiled program.
[01:33] <psyke83> Desh: ./configure --prefix=/opt/gaim (as an example), if you prefer to compile from source and want 1.5 and 2.0 to coexist
[01:34] <Desh> Ah ok, well I am trying out 2.0 to see how it runs.
[01:34] <Desh> I want it for Google Talk.
[01:34] <psyke83> let me save you bother, it doesn't work with google talk yet
[01:34] <Desh> -O
[01:34] <psyke83> let me clarify, it doesn't work with the voice service of google talk
[01:35] <Desh> *:-O
[01:35] <rraajj> Yep.
[01:35] <Desh> Oh, that's ok.
[01:35] <psyke83> it works fine with their jabber service
[01:35] <psyke83> but then so does 1.5
[01:35] <Random_Transit> so can anyone answer my q? can i repartition my root partition (which is ext3) without screwing it?
[01:36] <rraajj> Hehe. Gaim 2 still doesn't come with the long hoped VV (voice and video) feature.
[01:36] <hi247man> how would i go about figuring out the sound card chipset on a mystery laptop
[01:36] <hi247man> no disernable marks or #'s to identify brand of laptop
[01:36] <psyke83> havoc: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid xxxx;dhclient eth1
[01:37] <psyke83> replace xxxx with your essid, heh
[01:37] <Desh> psyke83: No Google Talk in the Menu?? Is it Jabber?
[01:37] <DrBair> hi247man: use the lspci command
[01:37] <psyke83> Desh: yep :)
[01:37] <psyke83> Desh: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073
[01:37] <DrBair> hi247man: or it'd probably be in the infocenter as well
[01:37] <Desh> psyke83: Didn't gaim 1.5 have jabber?
[01:38] <psyke83> sure, so you don't need to upgrade in order to use google talk
[01:38] <Desh> Oh..
[01:38] <psyke83> 2.0 is developing voice support, but it's far from complete afaik.. google talk's chat feature works with virtually any jabber client
[01:39] <havoc> psyke83: it works, now the trick is WEP and no essid bcast
[01:39] <hi247man> cant see a sound device listed in lspci, but i know it has one that works.  XP sees it
[01:41] <psyke83> no problem I reckon, havoc; enable WEP encryption, and try: "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid xxx key s:xxx;dhclient eth1" - note that you need to prefix your key with "s:" to denote that you're entering it as a string/ascii, or you can type the hex code
[01:41] <psyke83> if that works, then try disabling the essid broadcast (I have wep and essid broadcast disabled on my router and it works fine)
[01:41] <Random_Transit> hello??
[01:42] <Desh> I hate when Adept randomly closes...
[01:42] <havoc> psyke83: working on it ...
[01:43] <havoc> psyke83: but none of this is going to help me at nest boot
[01:43] <havoc> next boot
[01:43] <psyke83> Random_Transit: that's a tough question. If you want to repartition, you should boot from the livecd and use gparted or manual tools, and make sure that if your root partition is somehow renamed or reassigned, you need to edit your /etc/fstab and modify it accordingly
[01:43] <psyke83> havoc: not a prob, if it works, I'll show you what to edit
[01:43] <havoc> psyke83: /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:44] <havoc> or the init script?
[01:44] <havoc> psyke83: wnable WEP first?
[01:45] <havoc> enable WEP first?
[01:45] <psyke83> havoc: yes
[01:45] <psyke83> if it works using iwconfig, then you edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:45] <skipster23> a buudy of mine gave a a video card i was wondering will i need to change any configuration with kde
[01:46] <havoc> psyke83: is it wireless-key ?
[01:46] <psyke83> havoc: on seperate lines, you'd enter: "wireless-essid xxx" and "wireless-key s:xxx"
[01:46] <havoc> no 's:', I have it in hex
[01:46] <psyke83> put it under "auto eth1", I'm not sure if the placement matters but put it there just in case
[01:46] <psyke83> sure, just enter it in hex omitting "s:"
[01:48] <psyke83> havoc: is it working with wep enabled? Don't go editing your interfaces file until you've verified it working
[01:48] <psyke83> *it's
[01:48] <havoc> working w/o it
[01:48] <diedvalar> hi
[01:48] <havoc> turing on WEP right now and putting the key in interfaces
[01:49] <psyke83> ok.. it would be easier to troubleshoot if you tried via iwconfig first, but it should work alright
[01:49] <havoc> psyke83: ah, sorry
[01:49] <psyke83> the interfaces file is parsed and iwconfig is used afaik, so it doesn't matter.. but doing it that way you can see more easily if it connects
[01:50] <psyke83> *doing it via iwconfig directly, I mean
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> I think wpa_cli is best way to troubleshoot wifi (even if you are not using wpa)
[01:51] <psyke83> h3sp4wn: yeah but wpa_supplicant isn't set to start as a daemon by default, it's a little awkward
[01:52] <psyke83> havoc: assuming all this works, it would be handy if you could figure how to reassign your wireless to use wlan0, I think KNetworkManager would see the interface and allow connecting via its GUI (which would help with roaming, I suppose)
[01:52] <psyke83> I think that commenting the "eth1" lines in interfaces may be enough to force it to use wlan0
[01:53] <havoc> psyke83: ok, just verified that it works w/ WEP
[01:53] <havoc> psyke83: now to disabled ssid bcast
[01:53] <havoc> psyke83: will it still try to connect?
[01:54] <psyke83> havoc: you don't need to specify any other arguments, as long as you named the essid, it should connect despite it not broadcasting anymore
[01:54] <psyke83> well that's true for acx and zx1211, I don't have an orinoco card
[01:54] <psyke83> *zd1211
[01:55] <havoc> psyke83: I'll find out soon ;)
[01:58] <psyke83> as they say, billionth time lucky :P
[01:59] <havoc> heh
[01:59] <havoc> so far, so good, lemme reboot to see if it sticks ;)
[01:59] <havoc> oh hey, what should I do to change eth1 to wlan0?
[02:00] <psyke83> it'd be a good idea to fix that now...
[02:00] <havoc> right
[02:00] <psyke83> just a sec
[02:00] <havoc> which is why I waited to reboot :)
[02:00] <havoc> ok
[02:00] <Healot> havoc: you can wake an alias of eth1 in /etc/modules.conf
[02:01] <psyke83> havoc: simply try commenting the lines with "eth1", then do: sudo ifdown eth1;sudo ifup wlan0 - if this fails, simply uncomment the eth1 lines
[02:02] <psyke83> (this is in the interfaces file)
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> psyke83: Did you have do anything special to get your zd1211 working someone is asking me about it in #ubuntu
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> psyke83: Install firmware or anything ?
[02:02] <psyke83> h3sp4wn: yeah, I did.. I had to use a hacky script in /etc/if-up.d/.. one sec and I'll find my post
[02:03] <RavenTest> Is there xine for kubuntu?
[02:03] <RadiantFire> RavenTest: yes
[02:03] <crimsun_> RavenTest: yep
[02:03] <Healot> xine-ui is the package
[02:04] <RavenTest> thanks RadiantFire crimsun_
[02:04] <Healot> the xine engine is available for all KDE multimedia applications
[02:04] <psyke83> h3sp4wn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=907544&postcount=12
[02:04] <RadiantFire> ewww, not xine-ui
[02:04] <RavenTest> Healot:  thanks
[02:04] <havoc> psyke83: I'm not sure this is a good idea
[02:04] <RadiantFire> xine-ui is the ugliest peice of !@#$ ever
[02:04] <RadiantFire> use either kaffeine or kmplayer with the xine backend
[02:04] <Healot> RavenTest said "xine"
[02:04] <psyke83> that "hack" may be unnecessary, but I think you need to recompile a newer driver, details are in that post
[02:05] <RadiantFire> Healot: there is a difference between the xine backend and the xine-ui
[02:05] <Healot> xine-ui is old skewl, there is love to it :)
[02:05] <RadiantFire> xine is brilliant, xine-ui is a demonic hedgemaze of a ui
[02:05] <RadiantFire> grown by satan to snare unwitting travelers
[02:05] <Healot> RadiantFire: yes i know... he just said xine...
[02:05] <psyke83> havoc: if that doesn't work, uncomment the lines with eth1 and "sudo ifdown wlan0;sudo ifup eth1" will bring back wireless for sure (or a reboot if you're lazy)
[02:05] <Healot> RadiantFire: bleh :-
[02:05] <havoc> psyke83: http://pastebin.com/771112
[02:05] <RavenTest> RadiantFire: i get this Package xine is not available
[02:06] <RadiantFire> RavenTest: you are looking for packages in the libxine* family
[02:06] <RadiantFire> they should be installed by default on Dapper
[02:06] <RadiantFire> except for libxine-extracodecs
[02:06] <RavenTest> ok thanks
[02:06] <Healot> RavenTest: read about this too...
[02:06] <Healot> !mp3
[02:06] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:07] <psyke83> havoc: I assume eth2 & ath0 are unused on your system, so comment out eth1,2 and ath0, then put the wireless-key/wireless-essid lines right below the wlan0 lines at the bottom
[02:07] <haider> Hmmm, is it just me or is the compiz-vanilla package updating everyday?!
[02:07] <psyke83> the advantage of doing this is that KNetworkManager will probably recognised your wireless card and allow a more user-friendly way to configure your network in the future
[02:07] <Healot> it's updating everyday, haider
[02:07] <Healot> it's still in testing stage...
[02:08] <psyke83> havoc: just make a copy of your interfaces file and overwrite it again if this modification doesn't work.. no harm done
[02:09] <haider> Healot: ahh, nice! You know the main development site?
[02:09] <havoc> bah, don't need a backup, things can't get worse than they've already been ;)
[02:09] <havoc> and I just commented stuff anyway
[02:09] <RadiantFire> havoc: whats your problem?
[02:09] <havoc> RadiantFire: which one ;)
[02:09] <RadiantFire> er, pick one
[02:09] <RadiantFire> I'm here to help :-)
[02:10] <psyke83> havoc: if you've done all that just restart your network and see if it works :)
[02:10] <havoc> RadiantFire: thanx, gimme 5min to come up w/ a new one ;)
[02:10] <havoc> psyke83: it's restartgin now, slow box
[02:10] <RadiantFire> mmm, network problems, thats always fun :-)
[02:10] <Healot> haider: no, but  I guess you can search for it
[02:10] <james_xxx> ok i have a question... with kubuntu i had been have a number of issues, presumably some kinds of conflict or lack of support for my intel video card. my screen savers would quit working and i would have to frequently reconfigure power saving mode for the monitor, as the settings would just disappear. on this same computer, after installing kubuntu 3 different times,,,, i would have #D accelerated graphics for several days, and they wo
[02:10] <james_xxx> cel3D graphics to come back. now i have installed simplyMepis on that same comp and i am not having any of these issues (so far).
[02:10] <Dustin> is there a way to limit uploads on an arbitrary process?
[02:10] <james_xxx> 3D*
[02:10] <havoc> psyke83: so far, so good, rebooting now
[02:10] <psyke83> haider: http://www.compiz.com is *a* development site of sorts
[02:10] <james_xxx> is that too long for a chat room? lol
[02:11] <TheHighChild> does anyone use VMware?
[02:11] <psyke83> haider: http://www.compiz.net I mean
[02:11] <psyke83> TheHighChild: yep
[02:11] <havoc> psyke83: ok, maybe not, eth1 is still listed by i[f|w] config
[02:11] <Healot> TheHighChild: for VMware support, refer the VMware manual or VMware site...
[02:11] <havoc> so nothing was accomplished
[02:11] <RadiantFire> havoc
[02:12] <james_xxx> i also have kubuntu on this computer i am using now ( a laptop) and have had none of these issues here. i fdon't get it
[02:12] <RadiantFire> what model card?
[02:12] <haider> psyke83: Thanks dude! ;)
[02:12] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: it is an intel extreme graphics 2... i know they suck
[02:12] <james_xxx> integrated
[02:12] <Healot> ieg uses thos iXXX driver
[02:12] <james_xxx> Healot: yup
[02:12] <Healot> if you have the newest 945 chipset
[02:12] <RadiantFire> I have an i810, it works well except for kde's opengl savers
[02:13] <havoc> my current interfaces: http://pastebin.com/771122
[02:13] <Healot> you might want to recompile using the official Intel's driver (at intel.com of course)
[02:13] <RadiantFire> er, havoc, why do you have so many interfaces?
[02:13] <TheHighChild> psyke83:  Have you had issue with it recognizing the ethernet device?
[02:13] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: all of my screen savers quit working each time.
[02:13] <havoc> RadiantFire: no clue
[02:13] <RadiantFire> which one are you trying to enable?
[02:13] <havoc> RadiantFire: sony vaio laptop
[02:13] <james_xxx> Healot: i wondered about that
[02:13] <RadiantFire> do you have an atheros card?
[02:14] <havoc> RadiantFire: eth0 is lan, eth1 is wlan, we're trying to get eth1 renamed to wlan0
[02:14] <RadiantFire> why?
[02:14] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: NONE of  the screen savers worked... they would test fine, but would never start
[02:14] <psyke83> TheHighChild: not really, what vmware product are you using, player, server, workstation?
[02:14] <havoc> RadiantFire: psyke83 suggested it
[02:14] <RadiantFire> havoc: what model is the wireless card?
[02:14] <havoc> RadiantFire: orinoco something-or-other
[02:14] <RadiantFire> really?
[02:14] <RadiantFire> and it doesn't work with the built in drivers?
[02:14] <havoc> yes
[02:14] <james_xxx> my question is why everything is fine with simplyMepis , but it all sucked with kubuntu.....
[02:14] <psyke83> havoc: I was checking the forums to see if someone had a solution there, still looking
[02:14] <havoc> seems to be working now
[02:15] <havoc> psyke83: solution to what?
[02:15] <RadiantFire> so don't try and rename it to wlan0
[02:15] <james_xxx> and the thing is, i want kubuntu back on that PC... i like it better than Mapis
[02:15] <TheHighChild> psyke83: server. The most recent Beta but it always says that Ethernet0 is disconnected. I was curious if it was a common problem
[02:15] <havoc> it's all apparently working now, although I haven't rebooted yet
[02:15] <james_xxx> Mepis*
[02:15] <psyke83> RadiantFire: I suggest it so that networkmanager can see the wireless card and allow it to be configured in a more userfriendly way
[02:15] <havoc> yeah, that was why
[02:15] <RadiantFire> psyke83: networkmanager can handle eth interfaces with wireless extensions
[02:15] <RadiantFire> to the best of my knowledge
[02:16] <psyke83> eth = wired, wlan=wireless, I think networkmanager only looks at wlan (and/or ath) interfaces
[02:16] <havoc> can iwconfig scan for networks?
[02:16] <RadiantFire> oh, network manager?
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> networkmanager is broken for ath
[02:16] <havoc> RadiantFire: knetworkmanager
[02:16] <RadiantFire> I can't make network-manager work on my comp
[02:16] <RadiantFire> it tanks on configuring interface
[02:16] <RadiantFire> i just use wireless assistant
[02:16] <RadiantFire> ethX devices work correctly in wireless assistant I think
[02:17] <RadiantFire> and you can iwlist an ethX device if it is registers as having wireless extensions
[02:17] <havoc> psyke83: bah, if it works now, I'm happy, I don't need knetworkmanager
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> If you are using atheros I have patched wpa_supplicant against madwifi-ng so it works with network manager (if you install madwifi-ng)
[02:17] <RadiantFire> not using atheros though
[02:17] <psyke83> havoc: alrighty then :)
[02:17] <TheHighChild> The new Dapper recognized my Atheros driver
[02:17] <james_xxx> by the way , i am happy with kubuntu on the comp i am using now (a Medion laptop) but... the GL screen savers will not work at all. not a big issue, but i would like to know why
[02:17] <psyke83> if you need to change networks, you can manually edit interfaces with the new information
[02:18] <havoc> psyke83: thanks a LOT though :)
[02:18] <RadiantFire> james_xxx: kde in ubuntu is still a liittle rought around the edges
[02:18] <RadiantFire> thahts all
[02:18] <psyke83> no problem, glad I helped
[02:18] <havoc> psyke83: this was really driving me nuts
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: madwifi-old doesn't support scanning properly so you get random disconnects sometimes
[02:18] <RadiantFire> and cups is b0rked as hell on my machine for uknown reasons
[02:18] <havoc> I've been using nix for a long time now, but have just recently been able to afford wireless crap
[02:18] <RadiantFire> it can print the test page through a samba printer, but nothing else
[02:18] <psyke83> yeah, it frustrated me a lot trying to figure out wireless in ubuntu at first
[02:18] <RadiantFire> anyone know whats up?
[02:18] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: ok... that makes sense.... i hope it gets fixed , because i want to put kubuntu back on that PC
[02:19] <psyke83> havoc: just for a laugh, install kwifimanager, that may allow configuration via a gui as well.. but only if you want the functionality
[02:19] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: is that what it uses? I have no idea. I had Breezy and it took me 3 months til it worked on my IBMt42. I  fresh-installed Dapper and it works. Not optimized but working all the same.
[02:19] <havoc> psyke83: as long as I know the command I can read a man page ;)
[02:19] <psyke83> hehe, ok
[02:19] <havoc> psyke83: my problem is I don't know any of the commands for wireless stuff
[02:19] <psyke83> I'm more comfortable with the command line..
[02:19] <RadiantFire> havoc: all you need are iwconfig iwlist and ifconfig
[02:19] <havoc> I just learned about iwconfig yesterday
[02:20] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: i went out and bough an nvidia geforce mmx 4000 pci video card today... do you think i may have better luck if i install that?
[02:20] <psyke83> then "man iwconfig" should be enough
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: It does madwifi-ng also supports super g properly (108 if your card supports that)
[02:20] <havoc> RadiantFire: yeah, iw<tab> :)
[02:20] <james_xxx> bought*
[02:20] <TheHighChild> wow, thanks h3sp4wn
[02:20] <Mongey> how do i install programs?
[02:20] <RadiantFire> james_xxx: maybe, my has an Nvidia 440Mx and is the sweetness with RenderAcell under the new drivers
[02:20] <psyke83> I dunno where the wireless commands are  documented as you're supposed to enter into the interfaces file, I learn by trial and error when I first started
[02:20] <RadiantFire> my other box
[02:20] <Dustin> can i limit upload on a process? like netlimiter for windows
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: But 108 needs accesspoint support also
[02:20] <RadiantFire> I can get like 1k fps out of glxgears :-)
[02:20] <RadiantFire> its hot
[02:21] <Dustin> Mongey: what do you want to install
[02:21] <psyke83> RadiantFire: an Intel integrated chipset can get those speeds, that's nothing special :)
[02:21] <Mongey> a kxdocker plugin
[02:21] <psyke83> damn, I tweaked my r128 card to get 750fps, hehe
[02:21] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: I've never seen an advertyised 108 work even close to it's claims, however. I would settle for straigh-up 802.11b instead of my cards 802/11g
[02:21] <Mongey> gmail plugin
[02:22] <Dustin> have you checked adept?
[02:22] <havoc> nice, everything still works after a reboot
[02:22] <RadiantFire> psyke83: I coulnd't use render accel without hacking the hell out of my kernel modules, cuz the 7xxx nvidia series causes lockups with renderaccel
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: Do you have an atheros based router ?
[02:22] <Dustin> it's the main way to install things on kubuntu........
[02:22] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: i know almost nothing about video cards, but i am thinking i may re-install kubuntu tonight (the 4th time) , run easyubuntu to get the nvidia drivers, and then install the geforce mmx 4000.... would that stand a good chance of working?? pardon the novice-type questions...
[02:22] <havoc> psyke83, h3sp4wn, Healot, RadiantFire: thank you all very much :)
[02:22] <RadiantFire> kernel panics are no fun
[02:22] <RadiantFire> james_xxx: I would recommend against easyubuntu
[02:22] <psyke83> RadiantFire: I've little experience with the nvidia kernel modules, I just hacked around with a really old tnt2 card
[02:22] <RadiantFire> james_xxx: the package you are looking for is nvidia-glx
[02:22] <psyke83> that uses the legacy modules too
[02:23] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: The atheros platform is the only one which supports it properly in hardware (uses all channels 1-11)
[02:23] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: ty
[02:23] <havoc> now to get captive installed, this'll be even more fun ;)
[02:23] <RadiantFire> i swear I saw sometihng floating around the ubuntu forums about full r/w on ntfs without captive
[02:23] <havoc> RadiantFire: yeah?
[02:24] <RadiantFire> fuse + libntfs8 or something like that
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Automatix and easyubuntu are about as good/bad as each other however the code of Automatix is easier for me to understand so I would recommend it over easyubuntu
[02:24] <RadiantFire> they have a tendency to break nonstandard configs
[02:24] <havoc> RadiantFire: this is a dual boot machine, so ntfs.sys is available
[02:24] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: My integrated wireless is 54 MB/s (802.11G) my router is also 802.11G by Dlink(I know they suck) so I don't do the 108 MBps but I'd settle for getting 802.11b connectivity instead of the 1 MBps I've getting )tops)
[02:24] <psyke83> RadiantFire: I've tried that.. it works, but it has a 50% success rate with writes, and has a limit as to how many files per folder it can write.. and it screwed up my ntfs filesystem after all that...
[02:25] <RadiantFire> psyke83: really, I wrote like 10 200mb files to my windows partition and then booted it
[02:25] <reagleBRKLN> just install dapper, but when i plug in usb device, no prompts or automounts
[02:25] <reagleBRKLN> i remember with dapper tweaking a config file because i kept getting 2 automount... could that be the culprit?
[02:25] <psyke83> it's much faster than captive ntfs, but it's messed up my filesystem, leaving folders unmovable (and permissions can't be changed), and inexplicably system freezes, but chkdsk sees no errors
[02:25] <RadiantFire> psyke83: thats really wierd
[02:25] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: ty
[02:25] <RadiantFire> that happened to me on a server once
[02:26] <RadiantFire> I couldn't delete a folder off ftp once
[02:26] <RadiantFire> said I didn't have permissions..
[02:26] <RadiantFire> Ii wonder if thats why
[02:26] <havoc> psyke83: faster, but broken; not very good ;)
[02:26] <psyke83> RadiantFire: I copied a few cd-sized files across, and although there was no outright filesystem corruption (lost files etc), there's "phantom" folders, and unmovable .Trash folder, and the system freezes
[02:26] <RadiantFire> wierdness
[02:26] <RadiantFire> oh well
[02:26] <RadiantFire> time to make attemp 5 at getting a working printer...
[02:27] <RadiantFire> sigh...
[02:27] <newuserak> how do i get kubuntu to recognize my pcmcia wifi card in the network settings?
[02:27] <Healot> NTFS write/delete from within linux using native linux apps seems wrong, way too wrong
[02:27] <RadiantFire> Healot: more proof that linux totally r0x0rz :-)
[02:27] <RadiantFire> i wish linux had support for UFS+ though
[02:27] <newuserak> if i type "lspci -v | less", it gives me this info on the card:
[02:28] <RadiantFire> UFS is a lighting quick filesystem
[02:28] <psyke83> newuserak: in the shell, type "iwconfig", does it show any cards?
[02:28] <newuserak> 0000:07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Liberta
[02:28] <newuserak> s]  802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[02:28] <newuserak>         Subsystem: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas]  802.11b/g Wi
[02:28] <newuserak> reless
[02:28] <newuserak>         Flags: 66MHz, medium devsel, IRQ 10
[02:28] <newuserak>         Memory at 36000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
[02:28] <newuserak>         Memory at 36010000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
[02:28] <newuserak>         Capabilities: <available only to root>
[02:28] <Healot> NTFS is for Windows (NT)... just leave it for NT...
[02:28] <erov> ouch
[02:28] <Healot> oi newuserak!
[02:28] <Healot> !paste
[02:28] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[02:28] <erov> my scroll bar ;)
[02:28] <psyke83> newuserak: don't paste here, use http://pastebin.com
[02:28] <havoc> ok, silly question, how do I *disable* the root passwd? (I've already set it)
[02:29] <Healot> havoc: just set the password as empty
[02:29] <havoc> what needs to be in the second field of /etc/shadow?
[02:29] <havoc> Healot: it won't let me
[02:29] <Healot> or you can manuall edit the second field of shadow file where root entry is
[02:29] <Healot> and empty that value :-
[02:29] <havoc> Healot: it still prompts for passwd on su that way
[02:29] <psyke83> havoc: help newuserak, regurgitate everything I said in the last hour to you, hehe
[02:30] <havoc> psyke83: almost there ;)
[02:30] <havoc> psyke83: gimme another few days
[02:30] <psyke83> haha, just kidding
[02:30] <havoc> I suck up info quick, then regurgitate ;)
[02:31] <havoc> psyke83: the sad bit is that I've been a nix admin/user/developer for over a decade, but you can't know everything, and wireless in general is still new to *me*
[02:32] <newuserak> it knows the card is there and what its for, but it doesnt show up in the asistant or the network settings
[02:32] <Healot> Wifi bs is new for me too...
[02:32] <psyke83> newuserak: can you try installing kwifimanager or knetworkmanager?
[02:33] <newuserak> all i have is the wireless assistant that came with kubuntu, ill give those a try
[02:33] <psyke83> havoc: that's understandable, I've been a linux user for around 8 years, but I've only been exposed to wireless technology in the last year or so.. it was a pain in the arse to figure out the "proper" way to enable wireless in linux
[02:35] <havoc> psyke83: yeah, plus you also need to be able to afford the hardware (not that it's an issue now)
[02:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello All
[02:36] <havoc> ok, how do I remove the root passwd?
[02:36] <Kadran> hi Jack_Sparrow
[02:36] <havoc> I want to 'su' without a passwd
[02:36] <psyke83> my dad got broadband last year (when I was abroad), and when I came home he had set up his pc in my bedroom.. so I was having none of that, and introduced him to wireless technology, hehe
[02:36] <CaBlGuY> wuttup peeps..  o/
[02:37] <psyke83> naturally, he paid for the router et al ;)
[02:37] <Kadran> havoc: why you need the root anyway?
[02:37] <havoc> don't ask "why" :)
[02:37] <Healot> some people love the old way
[02:37] <CaBlGuY> havoc: no no, we need to be sure u don't kill your install..  ;)
[02:38] <psyke83> havoc: sudo passwd root
[02:38] <Jack_Sparrow> I needed it to put other drives fat 32 and ext3 on my desktop with read write ability
[02:38] <havoc> psyke83: nope, doesn't work
[02:38] <psyke83> hmm, it may be a security feature..
[02:38] <CaBlGuY> wussup Jack_Sparrow  o/
[02:38] <havoc> psyke83: yeah, I figured that :)
[02:38] <Kadran> havoc: ok :)
[02:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Just trying to learn the ins and outs of Ku
[02:39] <Healot> more input, Jack_Sparrow?
[02:39] <havoc> Kadran: the first time you do "rm -Rf blah *" as opposed to "rm -Rf blah*", you learn your lesson ;)
[02:39] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  Still.......  :op
[02:40] <havoc> Kadran: but I still want to su w/o a passwd
[02:40] <havoc> and ubuntu won't let me set a null passwd
[02:40] <Jack_Sparrow> I mostly wanted control of my files
[02:40] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  what files?
[02:40] <psyke83> havoc: no, you really learn the lesson when you figure out that ext3 can't undelete files, hehe
[02:41] <Jack_Sparrow> On other drives, pictures, music and more
[02:41] <havoc> heheh
[02:41] <havoc> psyke83: my clients have already learned *that* lesson ;)
[02:41] <psyke83> :)
[02:41] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  Ahh  I see..  is your other drive mounted yet?
[02:41] <Kadran> havoc: the first time i used kubuntu i wasn't comfartable about no root
[02:41] <havoc> so, I still need to know how to make ubuntu accept a null passwd
[02:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes I got a script that found them all and put them into the fstab
[02:41] <havoc> psyke83: lucky for them I have backups of *everything*
[02:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I then linked each drivr to an icon on the desktop
[02:42] <havoc> Kadran: I've already enabled root and set the passwd to 'bob'
[02:42] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  ahhh  good. so, u just need priv. to do stuff to your fiules..
[02:42] <havoc> I just don't want to use a passwd at all
[02:42] <Jack_Sparrow> What about backing up all of Ku?
[02:42] <CaBlGuY> *files
[02:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, already set priv.s
[02:42] <psyke83> havoc: can you set your user account to use no password?
[02:42] <DrBair> havoc: i know its something with pam to do it
[02:43] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  :-O    Why on earth would u need to back up your whole install??
[02:43] <havoc> psyke83: nope, tried that already
[02:43] <JasonL> how can i learn about making packages for (K)ubuntu?
[02:43] <havoc> psyke83: not for a user or root
[02:43] <Jack_Sparrow> I also setup bookmark in Konq for all /media
[02:43] <Jack_Sparrow> On XP I often imaged the entire system
[02:44] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  well heck, u don't need no stinking help..  U got it all set up already it sounds like..
[02:44] <CaBlGuY> :p
[02:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Just wanting to get a verified image..
[02:44] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  well yea, I can understand that with winblowz..  ;)  but Linux is a tiny bit more stable.. :)
[02:44] <Jack_Sparrow> I tried the G4L Ghost 4 Linux
[02:45] <james_xxx> linux more stable??
[02:45] <Jack_Sparrow> I have had some image stability problems and had to go back a kernal
[02:45] <james_xxx> i dunno, not from my experience
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm  must b an echo in here or somethin..  :p
[02:45] <Jack_Sparrow> I have probably installed Ku 10 times this week
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[02:45] <Jack_Sparrow> seeing how and where to break it
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> just this week huh??
[02:46] <james_xxx> Jack_Sparrow: i have installed Kub 4 times
[02:46] <JasonL> thats just the learning process
[02:46] <james_xxx> in 2 months
[02:46] <psyke83> havoc: how about editing your /etc/sudoers file?
[02:46] <CaBlGuY> see, that's why everyon should DL plain Ubuntu and THEN install KDE 3.5 from the base system..  lots better..
[02:46] <Jack_Sparrow> No big deal, rather learn on a fresh install as one I have spent hours tweaking
[02:46] <JasonL> first time i got linux i must of installed it 5 times in one day =P
[02:46] <CaBlGuY> dang, I've installed it once..  and had no problems so far...
[02:47] <JasonL> im just never happy with lil things and my mentality is "oh forget it, fresh install"
[02:47] <MikeMcA> I just installed kubuntu onto a system that had 2 bootable windows xp partitions on it.  Now I can boot into kubuntu and into the first xp partition (c drive), but I can't boot into the second xp partition (d drive).  Error message is <Windows root>\system32\hall.dll is missing or corrupt. It's neither, so presumably <Windows root> is set incorrectly.  Anyone got any ideas how I can fix?
[02:47] <james_xxx> i installed Kub on my desktop 4 times..... never worked right, and now it has simplyMEPIS running on it, and works better. bad part is, i still prefer Kub
[02:47] <CaBlGuY> LOL  @ JasonL   I used to be like that when I was younger.. ;)
[02:47] <JasonL> CaBIGuY, who do you do that? because in Kubuntu i have some annoying bugs, would installing ubuntu then KDE work better?
[02:47] <JasonL> well, i am young =)
[02:48] <JasonL> *how
[02:48] <CaBlGuY> !grub
[02:48] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[02:48] <CaBlGuY> there ya go MikeMcA
[02:48] <MikeMcA> thanks
[02:48] <shawn__> hey whenever i try and install an app i get the following error during "./configure":
[02:48] <shawn__> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[02:48] <shawn__> anyone know what i need to install
[02:48] <shawn__> ?
[02:48] <JasonL> please excuse my typos, late/early here, however you look at it :P
[02:49] <james_xxx> i installed Kub on the laptop i am using at the moment ONE time, and it has worked perfextly... and Xubuntu on an old desktop... also working very well
[02:49] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  yes, in my opinion. Cause your installing the base system THEN installing KDE 3.5 form the devs..  seems to be way more stable than getting the Kubuntu CD's..
[02:49] <Jack_Sparrow> How much of the system is saved just by saving /home..  themes, added programs, wallpaper?
[02:49] <JasonL> i had kubuntu setup perfectly yesterday on this pc, then realised i have the logout bug, where the logout restarts the pc
[02:50] <JasonL> CaBIGuY, so do server install then install KDE?
[02:50] <DrBair> Jack_Sparrow: pretty much everything you didn't install from the repositories
[02:50] <JasonL> only thing with that is my xorg.conf is never setup right when a server install is done, but it wouldnt be hard to copy the one i have now to my other partition
[02:51] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  if u wanna do it that way yes, I prefer to get the Ubuntu CD's but that's just me. So, yea, install Ub. then go to the package manager and install KDE3.5
[02:51] <CaBlGuY> easy..
[02:51] <CaBlGuY> no worries..
[02:51] <JasonL> but then you still have gnome installed
[02:51] <JasonL> and gnome apps show in kde
[02:52] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  if you select it at install, if not, it's defualt desktop environment..
[02:52] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  yes, and yes
[02:52] <JasonL> ok, now im really confused
[02:52] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[02:52] <JasonL> wheres the option to change the desktop environment?
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  just get Ubuntu base, install, then install KDE 3.5
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> easy...
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  it's on the log in screen,. lower left./.
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  U are using dapper, yes?
[02:53] <JasonL> yessum
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> OK,
[02:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Am I living dangerously having Ku installed on different drives on different partitions?
[02:54] <JasonL> right, so, install Ubuntu dapper
[02:54] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  correct...
[02:54] <JasonL> then synaptic KDE 3.5
[02:54] <JasonL> then in login screen pick KDE
[02:54] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  Hmmmm  I dunno about that one...
[02:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> JasonL: After install Dapper, run 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[02:54] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  very good, u get an A for effort.. ;)
[02:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Seems to be working fine so far
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> CheeseBurgerMan:  be quiet, you'll confuse him more..
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> :p
[02:55] <JasonL> then can i remove ubuntu-desktop?
[02:55] <Jack_Sparrow> I can boot to either Ku (1) or (2) or XP
[02:55] <JasonL> and install KDM and remove GDM?
[02:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Wait, if you just want KDE then install Kubuntu. No need to go with Ubuntu + KDE
[02:55] <JasonL> but Kubuntu has bugs
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  no, base system will stay..  it's the base system....
[02:55] <JasonL> ok
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> CheeseBurgerMan:  I got this, thank you...
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> :o|
[02:56] <JasonL> see it would annoy me having gnome there
[02:56] <chavo> Jack_Sparrow, I've got 3 ubuntu's, XP and Vista beta 2 on here
[02:56] <JasonL> i dont like having extra things taking space
[02:56] <NthDegree> poor chavo :(
[02:56] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  it owuld also give u the option to try Gnome out IF you wanted..
[02:56] <CaBlGuY> NO biggy
[02:56] <NthDegree> missing out on a lot with 3 ubuntus
[02:56] <magicbronson> anyone know how to make it so double-clicking an icon in konqueror opens it instead of single-clicking?
[02:56] <JasonL> nevermind, ill just use my little work around for the logout bug
[02:56] <magicbronson> didn't see it in settings
[02:56] <robotgeek> magicbronson: somewhere in mouse settings
[02:57] <JasonL> system settings>mouse settings
[02:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> magicbronson: Control Center > Peripherals > Mouse
[02:57] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  okey dokey...  your loss..  ;)   just tryin to help...
[02:57] <JasonL> =) =P
[02:57] <magicbronson> thanks
[02:57] <JasonL> i just do ctrl alt backspace to logout lol
[02:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Why can't you do it normally?
[02:58] <CaBlGuY> the reason I say install Ub, base and THEN KDE is I see WAAAAY to many peeps havin treouble with Kubuntu and I have YET to have any issues with base install and I'm running KDE 3.5 right now as I speak...
[02:58] <Jack_Sparrow> THat seems odd
[02:58] <JasonL> well arent you a clever arse CaBIGuY =P
[02:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Uh, there's no difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu + KDE
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  word brotha man..  ;)
[02:59] <Jack_Sparrow> You have a ling to Ubuntu
[02:59] <Jack_Sparrow> link
[02:59] <word> CaBlGuY: ;p
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> CheeseBurgerMan:  yea, I know that..
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> :p
[02:59] <lunitik> CheeseBurgerMan: well... technically... Ubuntu + KDE would differ in that it would have GNOME installed also...
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> jack
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> yes...
[02:59] <Lunar_Raven> I use kabuntu and havent had a single problem
[02:59] <Lunar_Raven> o.o
[02:59] <Lunar_Raven> kubuntu even
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  www.ubuntu.com
[03:00] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks, I'll go get it now.
[03:00] <CaBlGuY> Lunar_Raven:  I was about to say, what kabuntu..  :p
[03:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> lunitik: lol, true, even if it is mostly irrevliant. :)
[03:00] <JasonL> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdm/+bug/49064 i have that bug in kubuntu
[03:00] <Lunar_Raven> lol
[03:00] <Lunar_Raven> :D
[03:00] <CaBlGuY> ok, IM off to watch Dr Who die...
[03:00] <CaBlGuY> BBL
[03:00] <lunitik> CheeseBurgerMan: having GNOME and KDE installed results in ugly menu's... so it would hardly be irrelivant  :(
[03:01] <JasonL> what would the best way to setup my old pc as a fileserver, for linux and windows
[03:01] <JasonL> theres a small script to keep gnome apps in know and kde in kde...
[03:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> lunitik: Alright, fine. But that wouldn't make more bugs in KDE. :P
[03:02] <lunitik> JasonL: umm... install samba?
[03:02] <lunitik> JasonL: or pureftpd..
[03:02] <JasonL> is there a lovely guide for this :)
[03:02] <havoc> psyke83: sorry, wife was talking to me, and now guests are apparently coming over
[03:02] <JasonL> dont want ftp
[03:02] <lunitik> JasonL: google
[03:02] <JasonL> want it to be like a network drive sorta thing
[03:02] <havoc> the mull passwd this is a convinience thing anyway, and can be dealt with later
[03:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> JasonL: Install apache -- you can use http
[03:02] <lunitik> Lunar_Raven: I use Firefox... thats a GTK app on Linux  :(
[03:02] <JasonL> i want it to show up as another harddrive
[03:02] <Lunar_Raven> yeah, I use to use that a lot, it's nice, but for some reason lags me
[03:02] <lunitik> CheeseBurgerMan: HTTP file transfer is slower than FTP
[03:02] <Lunar_Raven> so now i use konqueror
[03:03] <Lunar_Raven> :o
[03:03] <psyke83> havoc: check out the sudoers file, and disable passwords, then you can use "sudo -s" without being prompted for a password
[03:03] <Lunar_Raven> but firefox is a good program
[03:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> lunitik: Shhhh, it still meets all the requirements. :P
[03:03] <havoc> psyke83: I don't want to 'sudo', I want to 'su'
[03:03] <lunitik> Lunar_Raven: Konqi sucks @ searching for pr0n
[03:03] <JasonL> i like using wget, it always gets my max download speed from my connection, http never does
[03:03] <Lunar_Raven> ahaha
[03:03] <lunitik> no seriously
[03:03] <Lunar_Raven> why does it?
[03:03] <havoc> psyke83: for now I'm just doing 'sudo su'
[03:04] <psyke83> havoc: "sudo -s" gives you root access, though..
[03:04] <lunitik> It doesn't know how to deal with redirects.
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> oh
[03:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> havoc: As non-recommended as this is, run 'sudo passwd root'
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> I haven't ran into that problem
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> yet :O
[03:04] <psyke83> if you disable passwords in your sudoers file, it won't ask for a password at all
[03:04] <lunitik> psyke83: 'sudo -i ' is better
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> i don't search for pr0n often, though
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> lmao.
[03:04] <havoc> CheeseBurgerMan: did that a *long* time ago, but I want a null root passwd
[03:04] <havoc> psyke83: ah, ok
[03:05] <lunitik> havoc: technically, thats default on *ubuntu
[03:05] <havoc> lunitik: right, but how do I allow null passwds in ubuntu?
[03:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> havoc: No offense, by why would you want an activated root to have no password?
[03:05] <shawn__> hey whenever i try and install an app (Simple System Monitor, a kicker applet) i get the following error during "./configure":
[03:05] <havoc> psyke83: 'NOPASSWD"?
[03:05] <shawn__> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[03:05] <psyke83> havoc: I think so
[03:05] <shawn__> anyone know what i need to install to avoid this?
[03:06] <JasonL> gah
[03:06] <havoc> CheeseBurgerMan: convinience/laziness/experience/physically-remotely-inaccessible-box
[03:06] <JasonL> why is it KDE is so much better but kubuntu is buggier for me than ubuntu is
[03:06] <havoc> psyke83: where?
[03:06] <psyke83> havoc: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20724.html
[03:07] <psyke83> so it'd be "havoc ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL"
[03:07] <lunitik> JasonL: for one... Ubuntu is very much mainstream, very few tweaks... more mature software... KDE tends to be buggier anyways also
[03:07] <JasonL> =(
[03:07] <JasonL> but KDE is so much better
[03:07] <james_xxx> KDE is definitely buggy
[03:07] <JasonL> it has amarok!
[03:08] <lunitik> JasonL: Qt != KDE
[03:08] <havoc> psyke83: good enough I suppose
[03:08] <psyke83> havoc: then.. sudo rm /usr/sbin/su; sudo ln -s /usr/sbin/sudo su.. hehe
[03:08] <james_xxx> has anyone in here experimented with simplyMepis?
[03:08] <psyke83> oops, I messed it up, but you get the joke :P
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes james_xxx
[03:08] <psyke83> you just need to remember to use sudo -s and not su
[03:08] <chavo> !xincludes
[03:08] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: libx11-dev  libxext-dev  libxinerama-dev
[03:08] <james_xxx> Jack_Sparrow: what did you think?
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> I used it for years
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> but..
[03:09] <havoc> gah, visudo is linked to nano?
[03:09] <havoc> WTF?
[03:09] <lunitik> havoc: visudo uses $EDITOR
[03:09] <james_xxx> * didn't know Mepis had been around for years
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Warren dumped everything he had done to switch to ubuntu and kde
[03:09] <havoc> lunitik: evil
[03:09] <psyke83> don't diss nano :P
[03:10] <lunitik> havoc: meh... just change your $EDITOR
[03:10] <havoc> psyke83: still won't work though
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> If he can port his work over he could have an outstanding product or it will die hard and fast
[03:10] <havoc> at leats not w/oi editing shadow manually
[03:10] <lunitik> Jack_Sparrow: no he didn't... he just uses a different base now (ubuntu-base instead of debian)
[03:10] <james_xxx> jack, i love kubuntu, but because of bugs and hardware conflicts, i just replaced kubuntu with Mepis on my desktop.... it sees to work better than kubuntu did, although i still like kubuntu better
[03:10] <lunitik> Jack_Sparrow: he still maintains his own KDE etc
[03:10] <psyke83> I think it should work.. once you're logged in as the user, the shadow won't be an issue, I think?
[03:10] <havoc> psyke83: no, still doesn't work at all
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> That wasnt what I had heard, I use 3.4.3
[03:11] <Jack_Sparrow> I heard 6 is entirely different
[03:11] <lunitik> james_xxx: that makes no sense
[03:11] <psyke83> havoc: you'd probably need to restart the session or pc entirely
[03:11] <james_xxx> Lunwhy is that?
[03:11] <james_xxx> lunitik: why do you say that?
[03:12] <lunitik> james_xxx: you like something you find to be buggy?
[03:12] <james_xxx> jack, kubuntu clashed badly with my intel video chip, mepis doesn't
[03:12] <james_xxx> lunitik: there is nothing non-sensical about that at all
[03:12] <acetyl_x> Hello again. My upgrade took *ages* with lots more messing about that I'd hoped for. But it's largely up and running. Except for Amarok. I've gotten 1.4 on there, but can't load the xine engine, which I believe is the recommended one, certainly for 6.06.
[03:12] <Jack_Sparrow> I also really like Knoppix
[03:12] <JasonL> is suse any better for kde than kubuntu?
[03:12] <acetyl_x> But it claims not to be able to initialise any audio drivers.
[03:12] <lunitik> acetyl_x: aptitude install libxine1c2
[03:13] <acetyl_x> I was expecting to faff about getting mp3 support, but this won't do anything.
[03:13] <acetyl_x> lunitik: It's installed.
[03:13] <lunitik> acetyl_x: ahh... audio works elsewhere?
[03:14] <james_xxx> Jack_Sparrow: are you expecting mepis to die?
[03:14] <acetyl_x> lunitik: Yep. In fact xine when launched at the command line works fine :)
[03:14] <lunitik> acetyl_x: more than one sound card?
[03:14] <lunitik> (onboard and card for instance)
[03:14] <newuserak> im pretty much an amateur at linux and wireless, but best i can tell, my card is recognized but has no driver (says UNCLAIMED and lists no configurations).  the ndiswrapper wiki does not list the card.  is there anything i can do?
[03:14] <acetyl_x> lunitik: nope. And besides, wouldn't I expect the engine to initialise even then?
[03:15] <lunitik> acetyl_x: no
[03:15] <Jack_Sparrow> no, I just wanted a head start on what warren might be working on.
[03:15] <lunitik> acetyl_x: strange though... I haven't had experiance with what you describe..
[03:15] <james_xxx> Jack_Sparrow: have you quit using mepis entirely?
[03:15] <acetyl_x> lunitik: I was thinking it would at least bring up the xine version of the engine tab (in Amarok) and then require fixing all those params.
[03:15] <lunitik> acetyl_x: my amarok is working though
[03:16] <tburdick> whats the package for xorg
[03:16] <tburdick> somehow, I don't have xorg anymore...
[03:16] <lunitik> tburdick: x-window-system-core
[03:16] <acetyl_x> lunitik: Well, ah, I'm happy for you :)
[03:16] <tburdick> thank you
[03:17] <lunitik> acetyl_x: why thank you... idg whats wrong with your install though  :(
[03:17] <tburdick> bad news
[03:17] <tburdick> it says its installed
[03:17] <tburdick> and I have no x still...
[03:17] <lunitik> tburdick: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and do it right this time?
[03:18] <acetyl_x> tburdick: If you're using kde, try selecting apt-get install kde kdm
[03:18] <acetyl_x> tburdick: It ought to pull in all the x stuff too
[03:18] <Kyral> huuuu
[03:18] <acetyl_x> lunitik: What do you use?
[03:18] <Kyral> whats wrong with Apt-Get
[03:18] <tburdick> whats with the ridiculous names by the way x-window-somethingsomething
[03:18] <lunitik> acetyl_x: aptitude - entirely more intelligent
[03:18] <Kyral> beats the snot outta Adept and Synaptic
[03:19] <tburdick> and thanks lunitik
[03:19] <lunitik> Kyral: try aptitude - for instance next time apt-get bitches about conflicts etc
[03:19] <acetyl_x> Meh, I'm pretty sure most of them call apt, which in turn of course calls dpkg. And an apt-get suggestion is quick to type :)
[03:19] <Kyral> lunitik: honestly on my desktop systems I use Arch :P
[03:20] <lunitik> apt-get = wget on crack ... aptitude = actual package management
[03:20] <mykone> hello
[03:20] <Kyral> my server runs Debian, but I don't install things anymore so apt-get upgrade is happy :D
[03:20] <acetyl_x> lunitik: dpkg does the package management, everything else is an interface
[03:20] <mykone> i am using Dapper LTS. I need help with getting amarok to play mp3. xine is the engine but it aint playing
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> mykone: try 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'
[03:21] <apokryphos> mykone: /msg ubotu faq
[03:21] <shawn__> you need libxine-extracodecs
[03:21] <shawn__> mykone: you need libxine-extracodecs
[03:21] <acetyl_x> mykone: Is the engine loading okay? If so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:21] <mykone> cool thanks.. going to do that.. brb.
[03:21] <acetyl_x> mykone: And if your xine engine is loading, I can only say grrrr
[03:22] <lunitik> acetyl_x: not what I meant...
[03:23] <lunitik> acetyl_x: all apt-get really provides is dep solving... aptitude offers more advanced things... like cleaning up after itself... conflict resolution... etc
[03:23] <sdolnack> i'm trying to configure these multimedia buttons on the front of my machine but it just doens't seem to be working
[03:24] <ljimmy> apt-get can clean as well
[03:25] <mykone>  I am getting this: Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:25] <lunitik> ljimmy: I don't mean "apt-get clean" or "apt-get autoclean"... I mean it will remove packages that aren't needed anymore...
[03:26] <mykone> do  I use apt-get install libxine-extracodecs or is it somewhere else?
[03:26] <lunitik> mykone: you need multiverse activated
[03:26] <mykone> shawn__: did you see my messages?
[03:26] <mykone> lunitik: it is.
[03:26] <lunitik> mykone: then yes..
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> mykone: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libxine-extracodecs Download the package and manually install it.
[03:26] <apokryphos> mykone: sudo apt-get update first
[03:27] <mykone> k
[03:27] <shawn__> sorry i was afk mykone
[03:27] <apokryphos> lunitik: aptitude isn't perfect, it does some things by default that aren't really ideal
[03:28] <apokryphos> like automatically installing depends
[03:28] <lunitik> apokryphos: you mean recommends?
[03:28] <mykone> i have this line in sources.lst: Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:28] <apokryphos> lunitik: sorry, yes
[03:28] <mykone> this means multiverse is on.
[03:28] <lunitik> apokryphos: so you prefer things to not work?
[03:28] <lunitik> cool
[03:28] <apokryphos> lunitik: err, by definition the package should work without a recommend
[03:28] <shawn__> mykone: you need to make sure that everywhere it says "universe" you put "multiverse" after it
[03:29] <mykone> shawn__: same prob about package having different name.
[03:29] <lunitik> apokryphos: you can easily turn that off anyways... but its recommended for a reason
[03:29] <apokryphos> lunitik: otherwise it's a dependency, not a recommendation.
[03:29] <mykone> shawn__: checking....
[03:29] <lunitik> apokryphos: recommends tend to not be needed... but provide functionality...
[03:29] <apokryphos> lunitik: many times it's silly to automatically install all recommends; when packages recommend a locale, and hence list them all, aptitude will happily grab and install every single locale for you
[03:29] <apokryphos> very handy, eh
[03:30] <lunitik> apokryphos: for instance... apollon recommends giftd ... it doesn't NEED it to install... but its useless without it
[03:30] <apokryphos> then it shouldn't be packaged that way
[03:30] <sdolnack> anyonehere using kmilo?
[03:30] <lunitik> apokryphos: there are about 200 instances that are simular in the repo... you want to change them all?
[03:30] <apokryphos> what?
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Uh, 200?
[03:31] <mykone> shawn__: thanks... adding multiverse to two lines at top worked.. :)
[03:31] <lunitik> CheeseBurgerMan: easily
[03:31] <mykone> i now have libxine-extracodecs.. gonna give amarok a try.. brb.
[03:31] <lunitik> Out of about 17,000 packages....
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> luksan: Oops, I thought it was mykone talking about his sources.list
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[03:31] <shawn__> no worries, should be good as long as you have xine installed :D
[03:31] <apokryphos> lunitik: I doubt there is, but it's pretty obvious that if an application is useless without something it should be packaged as a dependency
[03:32] <lunitik> apokryphos: a dependency is something that is REQUIRED TO RUN
[03:32] <mykone> i love ubuntu..
[03:32] <mykone> shawn__: thanks dude..
[03:32] <apokryphos> lunitik: I disagree
[03:32] <lunitik> apokryphos: its just useless when you run it without recommends
[03:32] <lunitik> apokryphos: developers.debian.org
[03:32] <mykone> all you guys that helped.. thanks alot.. TTFN
[03:32] <lunitik> apokryphos: look it up
[03:32] <shawn__> no worries, im quite enjoying kubuntu myself after switching from fc4
[03:33] <shawn__> except for not being able to manually compile
[03:33] <mykone> trying to ditch XP completely..
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> shawn__: Did you install build-essential?
[03:33] <shawn__> i did, but just cause i dont play games
[03:33] <lunitik> shawn__: aptitude source foo
[03:33] <shawn__> yeah, i always get this error during configure:
[03:33] <mykone> so far everything is working ok.. i heard about a script called easyubuntu which suppose to install everything for you.. is that true?
[03:33] <shawn__> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[03:33] <sdolnack> or LinEAK?
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> !xincludes
[03:33] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: libx11-dev  libxext-dev  libxinerama-dev
[03:34] <apokryphos> lunitik: you'd have to expand on run; amaroK depends on amarok-xine; you think it requires it to run?
[03:34] <luksan> CheeseBurgerMan: ?
[03:34] <apokryphos> lunitik: once again, amarok will start up and "run" just fine, it'll just be useless without an engine though
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> luksan: Oh crap. Wrong person, sorry. :(
[03:35] <lunitik> apokryphos: Amarok depends amarok-xine | amarok-engine
[03:35] <luksan> CheeseBurgerMan: no prob
[03:35] <lunitik> apokryphos: without an engine of any kind... amarok seg faults
[03:35] <apokryphos> lunitik: I've had no engines listed before, I didn't get a segfault
[03:35] <shawn__> i have libx11-dev  libxext-dev  and libxinerama-dev installed, but no luck
[03:36] <lunitik> apokryphos: then you got lucky?
[03:36] <apokryphos> lunitik: several times?
[03:36] <lunitik> apokryphos: I've done it, and always had it segfault... idk what you did
[03:37] <lunitik> apokryphos: compile it without engines to test...
[03:37] <apokryphos> it doesn't compile without an engine, I know
[03:37] <lunitik> apokryphos: it won't run without an engine
[03:37] <shawn__> i read somewhere that it may be that i need kdebase-dev, but i can't get that to install (i eventually get to a required package that isnt found)
[03:37] <apokryphos> either way, always installing recommendations is certainly not practical
[03:37] <lunitik> apokryphos: yes it will
[03:37] <apokryphos> it might be in some cases
[03:37] <JasonL> where are you actually ment to install programs to in linux?
[03:38] <apokryphos> lunitik: I've tried it, and it always didn't let me, don't know what you did
[03:38] <lunitik> apokryphos: ummm... when was the last time you tried?
[03:38] <apokryphos> don't recall
[03:39] <lunitik> apokryphos: I compiled 1.5 before there were packages... and it let me... much to my annoyance
[03:39] <apokryphos> this would have at the most been 1.3
[03:39] <apokryphos> 1.5 is erm, not stable or even released, so kind of hard to generalise on that
[03:40] <lunitik> apokryphos: Amarok latest is 1.5.1 last I checked
[03:40] <apokryphos> lunitik: I think you mean 1.4
[03:40] <apokryphos> and 1.4.1 isn't out yet
[03:40] <apokryphos> soon though
[03:41] <acetyl_x> Amarok runs without a real engine, because it always has the void engine to fall back on
[03:41] <lunitik> ahhh... I meant 1.4.x ... getting confused with Koffice release
[03:41] <apokryphos> 8)
[03:41] <acetyl_x> KOffice is useless, it doesn't play *any* of my oggs :P
[03:42] <apokryphos> acetyl_x: I can see how vital that would be to general word processing, for example :P
[03:42] <acetyl_x> apokryphos: Now why would I want to do a thing like that? Sounds *awfully* like work.
[03:42] <lunitik> I'm pretty sure I had it play an MP3 once via Insert Object
[03:42] <apokryphos> acetyl_x: it will at least be able to play in your file > open dialog
[03:43] <apokryphos> and it'll even play your videos there for you
[03:43] <acetyl_x> lunitik: Well as soon as I said it I realised that actually, the presentation tool would be bound to do it, but shush, don't pick holes
[03:43] <lunitik> acetyl_x: haha
[03:44] <regeya> now what fine piece of software are y'all picking on
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> apokryphos and lunitik can use KWord for their music if they want to. I'm sticking with Amarok. ;)
[03:44] <acetyl_x> Anyhow, thanks for the help, time to get back to work, reviewing pornography.
[03:44] <havoc> psyke83: anyway, I solved the null passwd thing
[03:44] <lunitik> acetyl_x: reviewing? mhmm
[03:44] <lunitik> acetyl_x: have fun
[03:44] <apokryphos> lunitik: start-up problems not resolved and massive synchs are yet to begin
[03:44] <acetyl_x> lunitik: Oh yes indeed. I get paid for it and everything
[03:44] <acetyl_x> cheerio
[03:45] <regeya> kword!  I haven't used that in quite some time.  I should again.
[03:45] <apokryphos> regeya: it's getting good
[03:45] <lunitik> regeya: 1.5.x is nice  :P
[03:46] <apokryphos> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-151.php
[03:47] <word> is there a utility to search for bad sectors and then partition them off in linux?
[03:50] <sdolnack> i'm getting xlib errors trying to run lineak
[03:50] <sdolnack> any suggestions?
[03:57] <sdolnack> how do i stop a program?
[03:57] <sdolnack> is there a command?
[03:57] <sdolnack> or stop a service that's running?
[03:57] <Kadran> sdolnack: did you choosed your keyboard?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> killall programname
[03:58] <sdolnack> yeah
[03:58] <sdolnack> i get this huge xlib error
[03:59] <sdolnack> the amaroK commands work but nto the kmix ones
[03:59] <sdolnack> is there a way to stop lineak and trhen start it again?
[03:59] <Kadran> you can do it all from klineakdconfig
[03:59] <Kadran> and if you want to kill it 'killall lineakd'
[04:00] <sdolnack> klineakconfig gives me a long error as well
[04:01] <sdolnack> i'm seeing xkeyboard and xkbsetmap repeated a lot
[04:01] <sdolnack> and major opcode of failed request
[04:02] <Kadran> sdolnack: i don't know, it worked with me so easy, try to run lineakd in  a debagger to see the problem
[04:02] <sdolnack> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[04:02] <sdolnack> hmm
[04:02] <sdolnack> damn
[04:02] <sdolnack> how do i run that, in a debugger?
[04:13] <sdolnack> why is it that when i sometimes open things inkwrite i get all these sorts of errors in the terminal (yet the program works fine)
[04:16] <bdmp> I just did an dist-upgrade and after restarting I have a gray screen with lines and the mouse. Looks like it is just X. How do I fix this?
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> bdmp: try running 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start' to start kdm
[04:18] <bdmp> command not sound
[04:18] <bdmp> found
[04:18] <toomanyKwestions> is this the place to ask about wireless problem?
[04:19] <reagleBRKLN> hi, when i plug a usb device in kubuntu dapper, nothing happens on the desktop?!
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> bdmp: Try 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'
[04:19] <reagleBRKLN> it is available in syslog
[04:20] <reagleBRKLN> [4294927.683000]   sde: sde1
[04:20] <reagleBRKLN> [4294927.645000]    Vendor: FUJIFILM  Model: USB-DRIVEUNIT     Rev: 1.00 ...
[04:20] <reagleBRKLN> what in kde 3.5.3 should be paying attention to that?
[04:20] <bdmp> sorry, I didn't see that . Kdm is not the default display manager so I am going to do gnome
[04:20] <bdmp> starting>>>
[04:21] <bdmp> CheeseBurgerMan: how do I get  back to the gui from ctrl+alt+f2?
[04:21] <reagleBRKLN> does this work for any other kubuntu/dapper/3.5.3 users?
[04:21] <toomanyKwestions> ctrl+alt+f7
[04:22] <bdmp> reagleBRKLN: I have had that problem before too
[04:22] <toomanyKwestions> actually just alt+f7 seems to work too
[04:22] <bdmp> somtimes it just works
[04:22] <reagleBRKLN> bdmp: yuck...
[04:22] <bdmp> upgrade to dapper
[04:22] <bdmp> !upgrade
[04:22] <reagleBRKLN> bdmp: i am dapper
[04:22] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[04:22] <bdmp> ok
[04:22] <bdmp> sorry
[04:23] <reagleBRKLN> that's what broke it
[04:23] <Hobbsee> reagleBRKLN: what's the problem, sorry?
[04:23] <reagleBRKLN> Hobbsee: when i plug a usb device in kubuntu dapper, nothing happens on the desktop
[04:23] <Hobbsee> toomanyKwestions: sure
[04:23] <reagleBRKLN> no popup to ask what to do with it, no automount, etc.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> reagleBRKLN: hmmm...that again?
[04:24] <toomanyKwestions> thanks hobbsee
[04:24] <Hobbsee> reagleBRKLN: i cant reproduce that - it may well be a config file problem...
[04:24] <toomanyKwestions> using wireless assistant: for some reason a i can't connect to my wireless network
[04:24] <reagleBRKLN> i remember editing something to get rid of redundant pop-ups when i first moved to breezy -- but just tried with fresh .kde directory and still nothing
[04:24] <toomanyKwestions> i know the network is fine
[04:24] <Hobbsee> toomanyKwestions: any type of encryption on it?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> reagleBRKLN: weird...its' working here
[04:25] <toomanyKwestions> and my airport works at work
[04:25] <bdmp> CheeseBurgerMan: that worked but I have an xubuntu log in screen, strange. How do I make that come up when I turn on the comp?
[04:25] <toomanyKwestions> yeah
[04:25] <toomanyKwestions> wep
[04:25] <Hobbsee> toomanyKwestions: can you set WEP passphrases in WLA?  I dont remember
[04:25] <reagleBRKLN> is there some log to watch to see if dbus/hal/KDE/etc is paying attention?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> you might want to try knetworkmanager
[04:25] <toomanyKwestions> yeah, i don't think it's an authentication thign
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[04:26] <toomanyKwestions> you go through a config to enter the key firts time
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> bdmp: I'm not sure why it's not starting up. Is kdm or gdm your default display manager?
[04:26] <toomanyKwestions> it's been buggy at work too.  Says it failed, but when you close and open it it's on
[04:26] <toomanyKwestions> there's no competition there, but here in town there are a whole bunch of crappy unsecured networks it defaults to
[04:26] <bdmp> It seem that gdm is because it said kde wasn't and then gnome worked. but the log in screen said xubuntu.
[04:27] <bdmp> weird
[04:27] <bdmp> I guess if I reinstall kubuntu-desktop it will fix the problem
[04:35] <shawn__> ok, seriously, using aptitude instead of apt-get made my life so much easier
[04:35] <shawn__> i just had to share
[04:36] <Rede_> i can now compile from source :D
[04:37] <robotgeek> !compile
[04:37] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[04:37] <robotgeek> Rede_: ^^
[04:39] <Rede_> i got it working, i needed kdebase-dev but i had updated software which wouldnt let me install the packages i needed. aptitude made it work (even tho ive got some old packages now)
[04:41] <tom__> hello?
[04:41] <robotgeek> hey tom__
[04:41] <tom__> i have a linux question
[04:41] <neoxan> hug me
[04:41] <MasterEvilAce> just ask tom :)
[04:41] <neoxan> :)
[04:41] <tom__> i'm trying to change my screen resolution, but i don't know how
[04:41] <robotgeek> tom__, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:41] <neoxan> :o)
[04:42] <robotgeek> tom__: or in dapper, you can change from system settings, i think
[04:42] <neoxan> yeah, you can
[04:42] <tom__> i looked around in there, but i didn't see it
[04:42] <tom__> on the live cd, i could right click on the desktop, but i can't now that it is installed
[04:42] <robotgeek> tom__: you can't right click?
[04:43] <tom__> it doesn't seem to do anything
[04:43] <_amy> ok I have a quick question
[04:43] <tom__> on the desktop at least, i can right click on other things
[04:43] <_amy> where do I go to find new themes for my desktop
[04:44] <Rede_> if you're using kubuntu you change teh resolution in KMenu->System Settings->Display
[04:47] <Steven_M> _amy do you have access to kcontrol's theme manager?
[04:47] <tom__> rede, i found where i can change the resolution in the system settings, but it won't let me increase the resolution from 640x480
[04:48] <robotgeek> tom__: then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change the resolution
[04:49] <tom__> robotgeek, i started to but i wasn't sure how much ram was on my card
[04:49] <_amy> steven: I have no clue i am brand new to kde and linux
[04:50] <Steven_M> ok, I'll try to gude you through it. I'm a slow typer so please standby
[04:51] <_amy> ok
[04:51] <Rede_> tom__: you need to enter administrator mode
[04:52] <tom__> okay, how do i do that
[04:52] <tom__> i know you can type sudo on the cmd line, but i'm not sure how to when making changes in the gui
[04:53] <Rede_> theres a button on the bottom that says admin mode
[04:54] <imbrandon> tom, you dont need to know how much ram is on the card, you can just leave it blank
[04:55] <imbrandon> it says that in the paragraph above
[04:55] <imbrandon> the option
[04:55] <tom__> ok, i clicked the admin button, but i still can't change the resolution
[04:55] <tom__> i'll try the cmd line again as suggested
[04:55] <Rede_> hmm im not sure then sorry :(
[04:56] <Rede_> it worked fine for me :\
[04:56] <Steven_M> _amy: 1st of all, does your k menu have a Settings menu with a spaner icon on it under the actions part of the kmenu?
[04:56] <tom__> config.dat is locked by another process
[04:57] <Rede_> tom: do you still have the settings gui open?
[04:57] <tom__> no, i closed it before i typed the command
[04:58] <_amy> no steven I don't see it there
[05:02] <Steven_M> _amy: ok, please right on the kmenu and select configure panel
[05:03] <_amy> ok
[05:03] <Steven_M> I ment right-click
[05:03] <Steven_M> *meant
[05:03] <_amy> gotcha
[05:04] <Steven_M> do you see a menu tab now?
[05:04] <_amy> yes
[05:06] <_amy> I did find it now
[05:06] <Steven_M> click on that and you'll see a list of menu's with checkboxes on them
[05:06] <_amy> yep
[05:07] <Steven_M> so you've place checkbox in the Settings menu?
[05:07] <_amy> yep
[05:07] <_amy> and finally found the themes
[05:08] <_amy> <} ty so much
[05:08] <Steven_M> cool :)
[05:09] <Steven_M> do you see the link for get new themes inside the theme manager?
[05:09] <_amy> yep
[05:10] <Steven_M> Awesome :)
[05:13] <_amy> now just waiting on the one I downloaded to install
[05:13] <Steven_M> cool
[05:14] <Steven_M> _amy:  may I ask where you're from?
[05:14] <_amy> Missouri
[05:16] <Steven_M> cool. I'm from New Zealand, nice to meet you. :)
[05:17] <dr_willis> A/S/L (jokeing)
[05:17] <_amy> nice to meet you too
[05:17] <_amy> lol @ dr_willis
[05:17] <Steven_M> ta :)
[05:18] <_amy> brb afk
[05:25] <apoc0106> can anyone help me with OSS driver to get my sound card working... it seems there is always a compiling error
[05:26] <apoc0106> i am new to this and need help
[05:26] <dr_willis> apoc0106,  what sound card?
[05:26] <apoc0106> ac97
[05:26] <apoc0106> one of those cards that has modem and sound built in
[05:26] <apoc0106> older pc
[05:27] <dr_willis> Im thinking thats not really a chipset/name for a sound card.. thats more of a 'generic name'
[05:27] <crimsun_> ac97 is a spec, not a chipset
[05:27] <apoc0106> ok how can i find out
[05:27] <dr_willis> yea.. a spec.. thats the term
[05:27] <dr_willis> :P
[05:27] <dr_willis> lspci  and see what it says
[05:27] <crimsun_> apoc0106: you asked for help on oss. Did you mean that?
[05:27] <crimsun_> (kubuntu uses alsa, not oss)
[05:28] <dr_willis> oss is old and going away.
[05:28] <apoc0106> Multimedia audio controller: Rockwell International: Unknown device                                                                                4310
[05:28] <apoc0106> 0000:00:0e.1 Communication controller: Rockwell International Riptide HSF 56k PC                                                                                I Modem
[05:28] <apoc0106> there u go guys
[05:28] <dr_willis> and from what ive heard every oss card should be supported in alsa these days
[05:28] <crimsun_> yeah, that one won't work with alsa or oss
[05:28] <crimsun_> oss/free, that is
[05:28] <dr_willis> crimsun_,  heh heh :)
[05:28] <crimsun_> you can try www.opensound.com
[05:28] <regeya> aye; however, oss is also still used in other OSes, so hopefully oss emulation won't go away for a while
[05:28] <regeya> lol
[05:28] <apoc0106> crimsun_, i know i downloaded the driver from opensound
[05:28] <dr_willis> time to spend $30 for a nice new creative card eh?
[05:28] <crimsun_> you'll need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:28] <apoc0106> i just need help with that
[05:28] <apoc0106> it never compiles
[05:29] <dr_willis> its provberly so old and out of date...
[05:29] <apoc0106> but i thought llinux thrives on older stuff
[05:29] <crimsun_> apoc0106: ...for which there are /open/ data sheets, yes
[05:30] <apoc0106> i know its doable... i think its a probelm with the gcc.... someone helped with it b4, but i cant remmeber how to do it
[05:31] <apoc0106> no idea how to help compile it guys?
[05:32] <dr_willis> we are not maggicians. :P
[05:32] <dr_willis> or wizards either.
[05:32] <crimsun_> apoc0106: telepathy is a /hard/ art  </barbie>
[05:32] <dr_willis> t pays to take noted.
[05:32] <dr_willis> take notes. :P
[05:32] <apoc0106> crimsun_, what does that mean
[05:32] <crimsun_> apoc0106: we can't guess what you're asking for
[05:33] <Trae> crimsun_, good evening
[05:33] <crimsun_> apoc0106: i.e., provide us with your commands and their outputs
[05:33] <crimsun_> Trae: hi
[05:33] <Trae> crimsun_, what it be like and stuff? :)
[05:33] <apoc0106> ok one moment
[05:33] <Trae> *chuckle*
[05:33] <crimsun_> Trae: at work, finished moving, taking the evening off to fight w/ a usb dvd-rom
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, you moved, where to?
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, I did another 1/2 Ironman this past Sunday.
[05:34] <crimsun_> Trae: moved apartments in-town (roommate's leaving)
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, ahhh
[05:34] <crimsun_> Trae: cool, how did it go?
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, moving isn't fun, but can be exciting.
[05:34] <Onetrack> 'lo.. anyone able to get flash installed.. mine just hangs forever..
[05:34] <CaBlGuY> ok, so, what did I miss??
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, 7 hours 37mins
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, I was under-trained for it.
[05:34] <crimsun_> Trae: nice :)
[05:34] <Trae> but I finished
[05:34] <Trae> :)
[05:35] <crimsun_> Trae: yeah, and experience is a /good/ thing
[05:35] <Trae> by comparison, the last one I did was 6hours and 50mins
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  yep..     U got it installed?
[05:35] <Onetrack> cablguy: no.. it just hangs.. <0.6kb/sec.. been trying to install it for a week
[05:36] <Steven_M> does anyone know of way to change the defult permissions for newly created folders? eg automatically make all new folders 600?
[05:36] <Trae> crimsun_, should I be able to upgrade a breezy machine fairly easy?
[05:36] <Onetrack> tried both apt and adept.. even going to the site @ adobe.com.. just hangs, refuses to install
[05:36] <crimsun_> Trae: /should/
[05:36] <Trae> crimsun_, or is it recommended to nuke and re-install?
[05:36] <Trae> ahhh
[05:36] <Trae> "should"
[05:36] <Trae> :)
[05:36] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  open your terminal and type this,  sudo apt-get install flash  You'll need your root pass
[05:36] <Trae> triple my money back if I ain't satisfied!
[05:36] <dr_willis> steve im thinking it has somthing to do with 'umask' but ive never messed with it much.
[05:37] <Onetrack> isn't it flashplayer-nonfree ?
[05:37] <Onetrack> or flashplugin-nonfree
[05:37] <Steven_M> ok, thanks anyway
[05:37] <crimsun_> Onetrack: the latter
[05:37] <CaBlGuY> there ya go
[05:37] <CaBlGuY> byt be sure to use the sud apt-get
[05:37] <Trae> crimsun_, you working for Canonical yet?
[05:37] <Onetrack> thats what i do.. and it hangs.. .......
[05:37] <CaBlGuY> *sudo
[05:37] <crimsun_> Trae: nope :)
[05:37] <Trae> crimsun_, and if not you should be.
[05:38] <Onetrack> Unpacking flashplugin-nonfree (from .../flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[05:38] <Onetrack> Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3) ...
[05:38] <Onetrack> it'll sit there for hours
[05:38] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  what distro ya got?
[05:38] <Onetrack> the one the channels named after
[05:38] <crimsun_> Onetrack: then it's not succeeding in downloading the plugin
[05:38] <CaBlGuY> so, your running dapper then yes?
[05:38] <Onetrack> aye
[05:38] <CaBlGuY> ok, do this..
[05:38] <CaBlGuY> sudo apt-get install update
[05:38] <michelleindeed> I'm having issues with amaroK not recognizing my wmas... I just upgraded to dapper and amaroK 1.4 (obviously) but they still aren't in my collection.
[05:39] <CaBlGuY> and the upgrade
[05:39] <CaBlGuY> err, I don't think u need install on that actually.. :p
[05:39] <michelleindeed> There's too many of them to replace all of the files with mp3s or better, but still.
[05:39] <crimsun_> michelleindeed: are said WMAs un-DRMed?
[05:40] <michelleindeed> If I knew what you meant by that, I could answer..
[05:40] <Trae> back in a bit.
[05:40] <crimsun_> michelleindeed: are they enciphered with some key?
[05:40] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee:  U awake???
[05:40] <michelleindeed> I'm new to linux and kubuntu, and I don't know what you mean by that either. Kick me in the shin.
[05:41] <crimsun_> michelleindeed: enciphered->encrypted
[05:41] <Onetrack> michelleindeed, in dapper try this : worked for me.. http://linox.be/index.php/2006/05/19/ubuntu_dapper_w32codecs_and_co/
[05:41] <michelleindeed> Not that I know of
[05:41] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: yeah
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> there ya go..  ;P
[05:41] <crimsun_> lies, Hobbsee's playing with fire.
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee:  wuttup gurl!  :p
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:41] <michelleindeed> CablGuY: thanks.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: now *that's* what i should have done!
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed: anytime.. ;)
[05:42] <michelleindeed> Onetrack: let me peek at that
[05:42] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  u gettin the update?
[05:42] <Onetrack> cablguy .. nada to upgrade.. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: not a lot - might go read a book for a while, or something
[05:42] <sdolnack> anyone help me config amaroK?
[05:42] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  and update?
[05:43] <Onetrack> thats the last thing thats drivin me nuts.. yah the update was fine.. went through all my sources..
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee:  okey dokey.. :)
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  ok, do a soft boot ...  cntrl alt, backspace, log back in and we can go from there/..
[05:44] <michelleindeed> Onetrack: It looks like it's just for video files?
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed:  Shhhhhh!!!   I'm helpin the poor guy..   ;P
[05:44] <michelleindeed> He was helping me :P
[05:45] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed:  Ahhhh  I seez nowz..  :D
[05:45] <michelleindeed> CaBlGuY: mhmmmm
[05:45] <CaBlGuY> what r u havin troubles with?
[05:45] <michelleindeed> Getting amaroK to play my wma files
[05:46] <CaBlGuY> wma???  :-O  what the heck u doin messin with those in Linux???
[05:46] <michelleindeed> I thought I read that 1.4 was capable of it, but it doesn't seem to be
[05:46] <sdolnack> that would be xine though right
[05:46] <CaBlGuY> ya silly willy
[05:46] <sdolnack> that you'd have to look into?
[05:46] <CaBlGuY> Xine is the engine Amrok uses yes..
[05:46] <michelleindeed> CaBlGuY: I just got linux about a week ago :P
[05:46] <_amy> ok I need a good digital photo editing program
[05:46] <_amy> like photoshop
[05:47] <_amy> without the fancy smancy gui
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> ok, Onetrack try the flash install now tell me what happens
[05:47] <sdolnack> _amy: so no GIMP?
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  yea, Gimp..
[05:47] <_amy> GIMP ok that was what I was needing forgot the name of it
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> sudo apt-get install gimp
[05:47] <michelleindeed> _amy: yeah, i would think Gimp
[05:47] <LinuxMonkey> now i forget how to restart the network once i do changes to the /etc/network/interfaces <--anyone remember? I'm starting to need some sleep
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:   Howdy d00d..  how goes it?
[05:48] <LinuxMonkey> wassup CaBlGuY
[05:48] <sdolnack> can i make the progress bar bigger in amaroK/
[05:48] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  U need sleep...   cmon now..  :p
[05:48] <LinuxMonkey> not much CaBlGuY just setting up my server :)
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  server huh...   havin fun with that then yes??
[05:49] <sdolnack> michelleindeed: you might be able to do it w/ gstreamer
[05:49] <michelleindeed> sdolnack: gstreamer?
[05:49] <_amy> ok second question a good photo album software there was one I think was called digi cam or something like that
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed:  actually here....
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> !wma
[05:49] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[05:49] <Onetrack> cablguy.. as before.. it just hangs.. it never gets the file.. same as if i try to download it from adobe.com or through adept..
[05:49] <Trae> in KDE, I've gotten rid of the grabbers on panel items that allow you to move them... handles I think, where can I turn these back on?
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> there look there...
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  hmmmmmm
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  U awake enough to help Onetrack???  :p
[05:50] <sdolnack> _amy: i think they released picasa for linux
[05:50] <Onetrack> as i mentioned.. been trying to install this for a week.. if you have the deb just dcc it on over
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> He's needing flash installed but it's bein mean...
[05:50] <Onetrack> yah amy, picasa works great on dapper
[05:50] <_amy> ok
[05:51] <Onetrack> picasa.google.com/linux
[05:51] <sdolnack> http://picasa.google.com/linux/
[05:51] <sdolnack> beat me to it
[05:51] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack: what u trying to install?
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> he nees flash
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> *neess
[05:52] <Onetrack> hey linuxmonkey.. just the flashplugin-nonfree.. i can't seem to download it..
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> dangit.,,,   someone keeps movin the dang keys.....
[05:52] <Onetrack> some others have this too.. maybe just not resolving the site
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> *needs
[05:52] <LinuxMonkey> and u enabled universe and multiverse
[05:52] <sdolnack> are there any good flac gui's like flac frontend?
[05:52] <Onetrack> yep..
[05:52] <sdolnack> for linux?
[05:52] <Onetrack> and several others.. i'm all tuned up cept for the flashplayer
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  tell him what it's doin....
[05:53] <Onetrack> oh sdolnack.. no idea on your flac frontend..
[05:53] <sdolnack> lemme see if it's on wine
[05:53] <Onetrack> gets to this : Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3) ..
[05:53] <sdolnack> not listed
[05:53] <Onetrack> and just hangs there
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> and LinuxMonkey I just had him do an update so, he's good to go there...
[05:53] <LinuxMonkey> ok onetrack check your repo's you may have the wrong multiverse and universe enabled--- follow this to make sure u got right ones enabled first.
[05:53] <Onetrack> i've left it for hours.. it never finishes
[05:53] <_amy> ok last question
[05:53] <LinuxMonkey> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:54] <_amy> I need a good wysiwyg web editor
[05:54] <LinuxMonkey> ok then its not a matter of downloading it then Onetrack
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  dang girl, u need everything huh??  :p
[05:54] <_amy> yep I just switched over to windows and am a web developer and hobby programmer
[05:55] <Onetrack> yah .. i'm all good with the repos.. i've got 3.53, ati fglrx drivers, amarok 1.4a etc.. the repos are good.. as i say if i go to the adobe site it does the same thing.. won't download
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  ahh  cool...
[05:55] <_amy> i mean from windows
[05:55] <_amy> was tired of a new virus every single cotton picking day
[05:55] <sdolnack> and your'e a girl?!?
[05:55] <sdolnack> :-P
[05:55] <_amy> yes
[05:55] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack:  can you post what u get from when u run the command to install till it freezes @ kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:55] <sdolnack> haha i'm kidding
[05:55] <sdolnack> i mean, not that your'e a girl
[05:55] <sdolnack> nevermidn
[05:56] <_amy> lol I got that all the way though comp sci at college
[05:56] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  u know about ummmmm  dang,m Im drawin a blank all of a sudden...
[05:56] <_amy> *collage
[05:56] <Steven_M> my firefox just failed installing the flash plugin, any ideas why?
[05:56] <michelleindeed> college*
[05:56] <michelleindeed> you had it right the first time
[05:56] <sdolnack> but yeah, i switched on tuesday i think, and i'm lovin it more every day.  I find myself booting to kubuntu more and more.  i've found a replacement for near everything, and gotten my dell laptop's multimedia buttons functioning
[05:56] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  Python...
[05:56] <Onetrack> uhm.. linuxmonkey that site is broken
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> that's a heavy duty linux web developer or somethin  like that.....
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> !python
[05:57] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[05:57] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack: http://pastebin.com/ that one works
[05:58] <CaBlGuY> Steven_M: ok, what happened..
[05:58] <dr_willis> all my home improvement  things are VERY hard.. because the wife keeps changeing her mind half way through
[05:58] <sdolnack> i wonder though, can i get gaim to give me email notifications like trillian?
[05:58] <CaBlGuY> LOL  @ dr_willis  I hear ya bro...  :p
[05:59] <dr_willis> CaBlGuY,  heh -- wrong channel even. :p
[05:59] <CaBlGuY> lol
[05:59] <LinuxMonkey> Steven_M: you got to install it yourself firefox wont install it. follow steps @ https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats#head-29ce85c5f75a6380ed26f1e828c343e54074d6e0
[05:59] <dr_willis> wife had me patch a hole in the wall (a BIG hole) sghe was going to put some built in shelfs into..
[05:59] <Onetrack> AH... pasted it to pastebin.com but its got some broken queries
[05:59] <dr_willis> then i go to fix the fence..and she decides i need to redo the porch first.
[06:00] <LinuxMonkey> hrr Onetrack seams pastebin is down
[06:00] <CaBlGuY> LOL   sounds like a little indesicivness there dr_willis ..  :p
[06:00] <Onetrack> want a screenshot?
[06:00] <word> is there a utility to search for bad sectors and then partition them off in linux?
[06:00] <Steven_M> LinuxMonkey: It did under breezy
[06:01] <sdolnack> is there anythign i can use to tell me when i get new yahoo mail?
[06:01] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack: use pastebin.ca it works I just tested it
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> dapper is not breezey..  ;o)
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> totaly new animal..
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> so..  Steven_M I'm assuming you tried the sudo apt-get install flash  eerrrrr..   whetever it is..
[06:02] <Onetrack> yeah.. onetrack@onehax:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:02] <michelleindeed> alright. i need to go to bed. i'll try this again tomorrow. thanks anyhow :D
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed:  np..   have a good one
[06:03] <CaBlGuY> ;)
[06:03] <Onetrack> linuxmonkey : http://pastebin.ca/63491
[06:03] <khaije1> /c;ear
[06:03] <Frogzoo> word: IDE drives do this automatically
[06:03] <sdolnack> what's the best way to access the Direct Connect network in linux?
[06:03] <LinuxMonkey> ok Onetrack try this, uninstall it and reinstall it
[06:04] <sdolnack> i find linuxdc++ is much too barebones, and valknut looks so so awful
[06:04] <word> Frogzoo: are you sure?
[06:04] <sdolnack> any other suggestions?
[06:04] <sdolnack> LDC++ wont' run in wine either
[06:04] <Frogzoo> word: yes
[06:04] <Onetrack> you mean an "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree" .. yah.. done that :)
[06:04] <Frogzoo> word: if you're getting disk errors - backup your data & buy a new disk
[06:05] <Steven_M> It's alright, I've figgured it out not now, thanks all.
[06:05] <LinuxMonkey> no Onetrack do apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree
[06:05] <Onetrack> Package flashplugin-nonfree is not installed, so not removed
[06:05] <Onetrack> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:06] <Onetrack> already gone
[06:06] <CaBlGuY> Hmmm  that's interesting..
[06:06] <CaBlGuY> so, "re"install
[06:06] <_amy> ok now trying to install picasa where do I need to download it to?
[06:06] <LinuxMonkey> now try installing again and does it give same result
[06:07] <orient2000> what kind of files would install sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  wherever u wanna put it..
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> just so u remember where it is..
[06:07] <Onetrack> linuxmonkey.. http://pastebin.ca/63492
[06:07] <Onetrack> same thing.. its just not getting that file
[06:07] <_amy> ok was having a blonde moment
[06:07] <Onetrack> I'm sure it could install if i could get it
[06:08] <_amy> ok so any other programs that are recommended
[06:08] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm  that's so wierd...   never seen flash act like that b4
[06:08] <CaBlGuY> :/
[06:09] <Onetrack> yah.. its just not comin down
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> ummm   have you tried the package manager?
[06:09] <Onetrack> yup
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> and u tried adept already too right
[06:10] <Onetrack> yah same thing.. adept just hangs at the same spot.. tried easyubuntu and automatix as well
[06:10] <Onetrack> but that was in a diff install
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> what distro u runnin?  Kubuntu, or Ubuntu with K installed?
[06:10] <Onetrack> kubuntu 6.06
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> OK...
[06:11] <CaBlGuY> :D
[06:12] <CaBlGuY> and of corse, u already read all the wiki and stuff on it..
[06:12] <Onetrack> ah just switched over from pclos..
[06:12] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack: you can manually download it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/web/flashplugin-nonfree if you think it will help
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  I've heard just about nothin but problems with Kubuntu but, I installed base Ubuntu and installed KDE later..  seemed to work out just fine for me
[06:13] <Onetrack> I started with linspire, tried the last pre-release of kubuntu (64bit), then went to suse 10.1 oss(64 bit), then back to kubuntu (32 bit) then to myahos for awhile, then to pclos for a week, installed ubuntu this morning, hate gnome, switched to a fresh install of kubuntu that im on now
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  thanks for helpin..  ;)  surely somoen will be able to help him out sonner or later..  ;)
[06:13] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[06:13] <Onetrack> linuxmonkey, thanks, thats the link i've been lookin for
[06:14] <_amy> I started out with Kubuntu and so far no problems yet
[06:14] <jsubl2> yep me too
[06:14] <LinuxMonkey> ive had many distro's but none as good as the ubuntu/kubuntu
[06:15] <Onetrack> its not grandmas os yet tho
[06:15] <dr_willis> i tend to install ubuntu. then apt-get install kubuntu :)
[06:15] <CaBlGuY> I've had a few myself, started out on Arklinux..  and went all over the place from there. Been on Ubuntu now for over a year...
[06:15] <_amy> what I liked about the dapper release was that it was the first release to auto pick up my wifi ever and that is always where I had quit with linux before and went back to windows
[06:16] <Onetrack> nod, i have a stack of cds by the monitor..
[06:16] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  congrads..  ;)
[06:16] <dr_willis> I found it better to just dump wifi
[06:17] <dr_willis> it works cruddy for me even under windows
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> I can run eather Gnome or K but, since ya "gotta" have K installed to be in this room, I kinda had to install it so I could help other peeps..  :p
[06:17] <Onetrack> i've destroyed my kubuntu installs trying to get xgl running.. no luck at all with that
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  really..    well, that's an easy fix..
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> :p
[06:17] <_amy> i worked cruddy under windows for me but then it worked but now under the new kubuntu I have not been dropped once
[06:17] <_amy> I gave up on xgl yesterday night and had to reinstall
[06:18] <LinuxMonkey> xgl is still experemental so you can expect to break alot of things
[06:18] <Onetrack> heh.. it sure does..
[06:18] <_amy> probably didn't have to but that was all I knew how to do
[06:18] <CaBlGuY> all ya have to do is enable it once it's installed..
[06:18] <CaBlGuY> ya gotta play with it a bit though but once it's on.  it's on
[06:19] <Trae> hmmm
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  LOL break alot of things..  that's funny..
[06:19] <bdmp_> I did an upgrade and now my network device switched from eth0 to eth1 and I can't get it working. Any suggestions?
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> :)
[06:19] <Trae> anyone know how to get my emacs bindings (that work in gnome) to work in KDE in a gnome app?
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> Trae, yea, boot to Gnome..  :p
[06:20] <LinuxMonkey> bdmp_: any errors?
[06:20] <Trae> CaBlGuY, smart arse
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> :)
[06:20] <jadude> hello
[06:20] <jadude> any MonoDeveloper here?
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> Howdy jadude.. o/
[06:21] <CaBlGuY> Mono...  what the heck iz that???  :-O
[06:21] <CaBlGuY> :p
[06:21] <jadude> CaBlGuY: heheh.. it's a programming IDE for C#
[06:21] <bdmp_> LinuxMonkey: where would I see the errors?
[06:22] <CaBlGuY> jadude:  prolly need to join #ubuntu and ask then....
[06:22] <jadude> CaBlGuY: i am there too.
[06:22] <CaBlGuY> ahhh  very good
[06:22] <LinuxMonkey> bdmp_: first of all what did you upgrade?
[06:22] <bdmp_> to dapper
[06:23] <LinuxMonkey> ok so you upgraded the os from breezy?
[06:23] <bdmp_> yeah
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> time for me to hit the rack...
[06:24] <bdmp_> and I lost eth0 and got eth1
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> later peeps  o/
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  see ya d00d..  have a good one
[06:24] <LinuxMonkey> cya CaBlGuY
[06:24] <bdmp_> it says eth1 is enabled but I can't ping anything
[06:24] <jadude> Anybody here knows if it is possible for Windows.Forms app to run in Mono on Linux?
[06:25] <LinuxMonkey> can u do an ifconfig in console bdmp_ and paste results at pastebin.ca
[06:26] <bdmp_> I can't get a network connection to post
[06:26] <bdmp_> I guess I have to type it out.
[06:26] <bdmp_> oh wait usb key!
[06:26] <LinuxMonkey> lmao...yeah that works
[06:29] <_amy> ok very last question then I will leave ya all alone for a bit
[06:29] <_amy> hth do I install java
[06:29] <Hawkwind> !java
[06:29] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[06:29] <thompa> im wondering if i can setup some sort of online word processor.
[06:31] <bdmp_> LinuxMonkey: http://pastebin.ca/63506 here it is.
[06:31] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> k brb
[06:31] <bdmp_> thompa: what do you mean?
[06:31] <bdmp_> explain more.
[06:32] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> bdmp_: its not configured is what the problem is
[06:32] <bdmp_> what kind of tools do you need? I like gmail but it is limited
[06:32] <bdmp_> ok
[06:32] <bdmp_> what do I do to configure it.
[06:32] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> bdmp_: k-menu->system settings-->network settings
[06:32] <bdmp_> sorry, lots of gaps in my knowledge
[06:33] <bdmp_> I have systems or settings and they both have networking but no network settings. which one?
[06:34] <bdmp_> oK, got it but is says eth1 is active
[06:34] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> you dont have one thats just system settings
[06:34] <bdmp_> no
[06:35] <bdmp_> it brings up the gnome network settings interface
[06:35] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> your in gnome?
[06:35] <bdmp_> sorry
[06:35] <bdmp_> I do
[06:35] <bdmp_> got confused
[06:35] <bdmp_> no
[06:35] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> ok
[06:36] <bdmp_> thats what came up when I went settings>network
[06:36] <bdmp_> ok
[06:36] <bdmp_> I see
[06:36] <bdmp_> this is the same as kcontrol right?
[06:36] <bdmp_> it says eth1 is enabled
[06:37] <thompa> bdmp: Im thinking either remote access or server setup
[06:37] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> ok click on it and configure interface
[06:37] <thompa> i guess also saving docs to web
[06:37] <bdmp_> thompa: that sounds cool but it is over my head.
[06:38] <thompa> or on home computer
[06:38] <bdmp_> setting it up I mean...
[06:38] <bdmp_> ok
[06:38] <thompa> there is some blog software in synaptic I tried
[06:38] <bdmp_> LinuxMonkey-AFK: ok
[06:38] <bdmp_> next
[06:38] <thompa> seting it up I can figure out
[06:39] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> bdmp_: select automatic and dhcp
[06:40] <bdmp_> thats what it is on
[06:40] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> hrmmm odd.
[06:40] <bdmp_> i did it again.
[06:40] <thompa> I think obe was php
[06:40] <bdmp_> yeah
[06:40] <ceserver> question: got 2 hdds. 1 with kubuntu, 1 with winxp ntfs. installed linux first then xp standalone on other hdd. what should i type in grub conf? tnx.
[06:40] <bdmp_> you sure it is not due to eth0 disappearing?
[06:42] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> I dont think it should of mattered, there;s more things we could try but I seriously got to go, someone else should be able to take over
[06:42] <bdmp_> ok thanks for your help
[06:43] <bdmp_> Anybody wanna help me fix my network?
[06:43] <bdmp_> I did an upgrade and now my network device switched from eth0 to eth1 and I can't get it working. Any suggestions?
[06:44] <thompa> cant you just reconfigure the other one
[06:44] <tony_> really newb bash question: how can I parse the "<IP_ADDRESS>" out of the input "<IP_ADDRESS> 38516 22"?
[06:44] <bdmp_> you mean delete eth1 and make eth0?
[06:45] <thompa> why does it need to be eth1 or 0?
[06:45] <Healot> grep "<IP_ADDRESS>"?
[06:45] <bdmp_> it doesn't. It just changed after the upgrade and now it doesn't work
[06:45] <thompa> which one wireless or cable?
[06:45] <bdmp_> so delete it and make an new one?
[06:46] <bdmp_> cable
[06:46] <juanbond> quick question.. trying to hookup my canon sd450 to my comp... when i try to access camera:/ and then the images underneath that, it always stalls on loading hte images and is really slow... any ideas?
[06:46] <tony_> Sorry, I meant how to get the <IP address> part from that input. ie. the part before the space
[06:46] <thompa> did you use network settings in system settings as admin first
[06:47] <thompa> i just got here so dont know what youve done
[06:47] <Healot> grep <IP address>
[06:47] <bdmp_> first? after the install?
[06:47] <_amy> ok no luck with java yet please help again the one site was useless I need the location of the src file
[06:47] <bdmp_> yes
[06:47] <thompa> well do it again
[06:47] <bdmp_> _amy: can you get java from adept?
[06:47] <thompa> select the network thats not working and configure it
[06:48] <thompa> or delete whatever
[06:48] <bdmp_> I did. It says it is enabled.
[06:48] <bdmp_> delete ok
[06:48] <thompa> the one that you are not on...
[06:48] <_amy> that is what I did yesterday and it worked but I need the deb source for it real quick
[06:48] <tony_> Healot: the IP Address is unknown. All I know is that it's the part of the line before the space
[06:49] <bdmp_> I am not on any. There is one and it doesn't work
[06:49] <tony_> found it. bash "read"
[06:49] <bdmp_> this is another comp
[06:49] <thompa> so you want to knopw how to do something for later?
[06:50] <bdmp_> _amy do you know the name of the package? Go to debian, search it and you can download it.
[06:50] <bdmp_> I think
[06:50] <thompa> i would either configure or delete it, restart network setting
[06:50] <bdmp_> configure doesn't work, nor does restarting network settings, so I am gonna try to delete it.
[06:51] <thompa> oh
[06:51] <_amy> I need the deb http:// thingies for java again
[06:51] <thompa> whats the error in the settings?
[06:51] <bdmp_> !java
[06:51] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[06:51] <Where|away> Does anyone know of any good macro recording and playback programs for X? (I tried xmacro, but I couldn't get it to work)
[06:51] <bdmp_> There is no error that I see
[06:52] <bdmp_> !javadebs
[06:52] <ubotu> In Breezy: j2re1.4 is in multiverse. In Dapper: sun-java5-jre is in multiverse
[06:52] <Cornellius> Yay, gEDA and Eagle
[06:52] <Cornellius> I'm an electronic student so EDAs are important :)
[06:53] <thompa> if you cant right-clcik and configure it, that makes little sense
[06:53] <bdmp_> thompa: how can I delete it? can't figure it out.
[06:53] <thompa> have you tried disable , enable first
[06:53] <bdmp_> I can right click and configure it, but the network still dosen't work
[06:53] <bdmp_> yeah
[06:53] <thompa> un plug the cable etc
[06:53] <thompa> does it go away?
[06:53] <Cornellius> bdmp_: Trouble with Java ?
[06:54] <bdmp_> _amy does
[06:54] <thompa> did you also go into services?
[06:54] <kevin> there is somethiinnng wrrrong with my keeyboard in kubuntu   but not in ttthhe login sccreen i have to press and hold keys for themmm  to type
[06:54] <bdmp_> thompa what do you mean go away?
[06:55] <thompa> how are you viewing your 2 connections?
[06:55] <bdmp_> why do you say 2 connections?
[06:55] <bdmp_> there is only eth1
[06:56] <kevin> help please?
[06:56] <bdmp_> eth0 is gone after the upgrade
[06:56] <_amy> yep trouble with java here
[06:56] <bdmp_> kevin, did you try restarting?
[06:56] <thompa> what is eth0?
[06:56] <thompa> did you start with one?
[06:56] <kevin> yes
[06:57] <bdmp_> I am viewing them through kcontrol
[06:57] <Cornellius> kevin: In system settings
[06:57] <Cornellius> The place where you can configure mouse, display, keyboard
[06:57] <bdmp_> eth0 is what my network card was before the upgrade. Not it is eth1.
[06:57] <thompa> did you upgrade from breezy or a dailt update?
[06:57] <Cornellius> Check the keyboard configs
[06:57] <bdmp_> sorry m now it is eth1
[06:58] <Cornellius> There is an option to set the delay between the key press and the key being typed I think
[06:58] <bdmp_> thompa: i upgraded from breezy
[06:58] <thompa> if you cant rigth click on it in network settings: menu configure, there is something incorrect
[06:59] <bdmp_> I can.
[06:59] <bdmp_> it just doesnt give me internets after I do.
[06:59] <kevin> Cornellius: that ssetting issss for repeating
[07:00] <bdmp_> look at this http://pastebin.ca/63506
[07:00] <thompa> well if you are sure it is kubuntu, the problem, i would install dapper.
[07:00] <thompa> just put your files on an ipod or something
[07:00] <bdmp_> you, mean reinstall?
[07:01] <Cornellius> kevin: mmm not sure why it's doing that then. My guess is to check into the keyboard configs carefully, I dunno. Sorry
[07:01] <bdmp_> I have dapper.
[07:01] <thompa> backup your stuff, .kde in /home directory
[07:02] <thompa> you should do it anyway even if you dont install anything
[07:02] <JorgeLuis> Agum de meu idioma (pt-br)
[07:02] <_amy> ok I sooo need sun java like 5 mins ago someone please help me I need the two dep lines to add to my apt source list to download them please
[07:02] <farous> _amy: install them add universe repos
[07:02] <thompa> it takes about the same amount of time and may fix something else
[07:02] <farous> _amy: sorr multiverse dep
[07:02] <kevin> Cornellius: Somehow...my little brother went into System settings - > Regional And accessibility and enabled 'slow keys'
[07:02] <farous> !tell _amy about repos
[07:03] <kevin> Cornellius: Thanks for the advice :D
[07:03] <thompa> if your cables not disconnected, mine goes out often
[07:03] <Cornellius> kevin: No problems :)
[07:03] <thompa> on comcast maybe every other day
[07:04] <thompa> but at least they arnt sending my nudy pictures to the chimpster
[07:04] <thompa> _amy: sorry, did you try restricted formats?
[07:05] <bdmp_> _amy:
[07:05] <bdmp_> follow this
[07:05] <bdmp_> !sources
[07:05] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:05] <thompa> amy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:05] <bdmp_>  do you know how to dadd them?
[07:05] <bdmp_> add them
[07:06] <thompa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:06] <farous> thompa: sun_java is in multiverse repos now and there is topic for it at help.ubuntu.com the official help pages
[07:07] <Healot> note! Java is in multiverse (unsupported) :)
[07:07] <thompa> i got mine from the download site, the other stuff would not work
[07:09] <_amy> ok have the deps now need the sudo apt-get install command to get them installed
[07:09] <JorgeLuis> Algum do BRASIL?
[07:10] <Healot> !br
[07:10] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[07:10] <Healot> yay
[07:12] <Cornellius> Cerveza Por Favor
[07:13] <Dasnipa`> question: whats the best way to run a php file in a cron job?
[07:17] <_amy> ok I must not have the right rep because I keep on getting couldn't find package sun-java5
[07:18] <_amy> *dep
[07:18] <imbrandon> you need universe and multiverse
[07:18] <imbrandon> !repos
[07:18] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:18] <farous> _amy: add multiverse ubotu sent you a link
[07:19] <stn> Hey Who used the apt-built
[07:19] <stn> here
[07:19] <stn> get me info about apt-built
[07:19] <Healot> btw _amy: the package name is "sun-java5-bin" for dapper
[07:20] <imbrandon> sun-java5-jre
[07:20] <imbrandon> also
[07:20] <Healot> imply sun-java5-*, i love wild card
[07:21] <imbrandon> heh
[07:21] <imbrandon> brb
[07:21] <icheyne> Whenever I open the BBC realplayer player, why does it open in two windows and run twice?
[07:23] <Cornellius> KDE is simple click and gnome is double
[07:23] <Cornellius> Try clicking just once on the icon
[07:24] <icheyne> I did
[07:24] <_amy> didn't work again
[07:24] <icheyne> it opens two mplayer windows
[07:24] <_amy> yesterday I endeded up adding two simple lines to my source file ran sudo apt-get update
[07:24] <_amy> and sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[07:24] <Healot> _amy: show us you sources.list :)
[07:25] <Healot> paste the content to pastebin.com
[07:27] <_amy> ok I think it is up
[07:29] <NeoChaosX> can somebody help me with getting my external hard drive to mount on boot up?
[07:29] <_amy> ok pastebin is down apparently because I am getting a sql error there
[07:30] <Healot> pastebin is overloaded these days
[07:30] <Rede_> anyone have a deb for k3b 0.12.15?
[07:31] <Rede_> rather, know where i can find one
[07:32] <Healot> it's on KDE's website
[07:33] <Healot> or its source rather
[07:34] <Rede_> yea i was feeling lazy but i just installed from src
[07:35] <Rede_> well, im compiling now
[07:37] <juanbond> hey guys.. what's the best way to mount samba shares at bootup
[07:50] <hektisk> hello all...I was wondering if someone could help me increase my resolution.  I'm currently using my 50" TV as my monitor and I'd really like to be able to take advantage of its size.  currently it's at 1280x768, and that doesn't even fill the screen (couple of inches left on the top and bottom).  i've tried looking at at the xorg.conf file, but I didn't really understand the relevant section and didn't want to mess anything up by enteri
[07:54] <Kadran> hektisk: please, read the manual of the screen, and check for the refresh rate and the maximum reslution before hiting enter :)
[07:55] <Unimatrix9> hello there
[07:55] <Unimatrix9> is the kubuntu desktop cd also an live cd?
[07:55] <Unimatrix9> or just an install cd?
[07:56] <Kadran> Unimatrix9: yes it is :), and it have some applications that work under windows
[07:57] <Kadran> the alternative is a text mode installation cd
[07:57] <hektisk> of my tv screen?  its native resolution is 1920x1080, i'm not sure about refresh rate; there's no mention of it in the manual
[07:58] <Unimatrix9> ah, ok, i am putting together an vmplayer DVD, so i wanted the kubuntu iso on it too, the file can be booted with vmware, or they can burn it , so thanx for the info , i will include it...
[07:58] <NeoChaosX> can anybody help me with getting my external hard to mount on boot? anybody?
[07:59] <Kadran> Unimatrix9: np and good luck
[07:59] <Kadran> hektisk: does kubuntu identified your monitor correctly?
[07:59] <bdmp__> I can not connect to my network after upgrade to dapper. Help. I also had that power go out (well after the upgrade) maybe that is the cause.
[07:59] <Unimatrix9> does an external hard dive not show up as USB device?
[08:00] <NeoChaosX> it shows up as a USB device
[08:00] <hektisk> in xorg.conf it calls it 'Sony LCD' which is close; it's a Sony LCOS
[08:00] <hektisk> since it's a tv (that accepts vga inputs) it's probably not instantly recognizable
[08:00] <Unimatrix9> so on boot it will also be there , right>
[08:00] <Unimatrix9> ?
[08:00] <NeoChaosX> Yeah
[08:00] <NeoChaosX> It's there. but it's not mounted
[08:01] <NeoChaosX> Unimatrix9: I've tried having a line for the device in /etc/fstab, not having a line, installing ivman, and I still have to manually mount it every time I log in
[08:02] <NeoChaosX> It's driving me crazy. It worked just fine with just editing the /etc/fstab file in Breezy
[08:02] <Kadran> hektisk: i can't recommend you any thing just try to see the maximum resulution that your monitor can take,
[08:03] <Kadran> hektisk: from the manual or the company site
[08:04] <hektisk> well, the tv's native resolution is 1920x1080...but how do I set it to that?  well, how can I try to see the maximum?  KDE->system settings->display lists 1280x768 as the highest widescreen resolution
[08:05] <Unimatrix9> NeoChaosX, maybe try kwikdisk to mount it? and add the kwikdisk applet to your menu, if it works...
[08:05] <Kadran> hektisk: be in administrative mode and you will be able to change it
[08:05] <NeoChaosX> kwikdisk? that's not in apt-get
[08:05] <Unimatrix9> really?
[08:05] <Unimatrix9> oh
[08:06] <hektisk> well I can move the slider back and forth, but I'm still at the maximum resolution.  but I know that's not really the maximum my TV can handle, it's just what X is setting as maximum
[08:06] <cerdg> I have a bit of a problem if someone has some time
[08:06] <Healot> kwikdisk is in the package "kdf"
[08:07] <Healot> universe
[08:07] <cerdg> I upgraded to Dapper drake, and now my KDE control panel bar doesn't have anything on it, including the kmenu
[08:07] <NeoChaosX> oh, i see
[08:07] <Unimatrix9> add repository, universe
[08:07] <NeoChaosX> Yeah, I already have universe enabled
[08:08] <hektisk> Sorry, program crashed
[08:08] <Kadran> never mind
[08:08] <mrmist> Hi guys
[08:08] <mrmist> I'm in the middle of the installation procedure
[08:09] <NeoChaosX> okay, i'm going to reboot and see if this kiwkdisk thing works
[08:09] <mrmist> Trying to format my drive... anyone experienced with the +
[08:09] <mrmist> that ?
[08:10] <mrmist> i'm having w winxp partition, that I've resized, then I need primarily two Linux-partitions. One for kubuntu itself, and one for the "home" folder..
[08:10] <Kadran> hektisk: try to identify your monitor by your self in the Hardware tab
[08:10] <hektisk> anyway...yea my tv's native resolution is 1920x1080, but KDE's display settings, even in administrator moe, won't let me go higher than 1280x768...
[08:10] <hektisk> yea since it's a TV it's not listed there :(
[08:10] <Unimatrix9> dont need to reboot, thats windows behavoir
[08:10] <Unimatrix9> hmm?
[08:10] <Unimatrix9> :P
[08:11] <hektisk> I'm impressed that it even knew it was a sony  :)
[08:11] <Kadran> hektisk: if you know what you are doing make it generic
[08:11] <hektisk> ohh I see
[08:12] <Unimatrix9> ok i am off...diner is ready
[08:12] <bdmp__> is eth1 always wireless?
[08:12] <Unimatrix9> :P
[08:12] <hektisk> If my tv's native resolution is 1920x1080 does that mean it wouldn't be able to handle 1920x1200?
[08:12] <Kadran> hektisk: they are different ?? i dunno
[08:12] <NeoChaosX> kwikdisk did nothing. I still have to manually mount the partition when I log in
[08:13] <_amy> ok I downloaded java I installed java now waht in the world am I missing to get it to run correctly
[08:13] <hektisk> ok brb
[08:15] <mrmist> My WinXP disk is a primary partition, and so is the main Linux one
[08:15] <mrmist> however, the partition I'm supposed to use as my /home folder... how do I create it ? Do I make another "primary" partition, or an "extended" one ???
[08:16] <icheyne> Whenever I open the BBC realplayer player, why does it run twice?
[08:16] <mrmist> guys ? primary or extended ??
[08:17] <icheyne> mrmist: how many partitions do you have?
[08:17] <icheyne> you can only have four main ones
[08:17] <icheyne> you've already used two with linux and swap
[08:17] <icheyne> if in doubt, use an extended one
[08:17] <lowtech> mrmist: linux doesn't care which
[08:18] <mrmist> hmm... So it don't matter ?
[08:18] <lowtech> no
[08:18] <Onetrack> anyone able to get flash to install in kubuntu/dapper ?
[08:18] <lowtech> if you have a choice, either will work
[08:18] <mrmist> I need three partitions for linux, don't I !? One main partition, one for the "/home" folder and one "linux-swap" drive
[08:19] <mrmist> Do I make all of them primary partitions ?
[08:19] <icheyne> Onetrack: I just went to the Macromedia download page and installed it manually
[08:19] <lowtech> at least, yes
[08:19] <Onetrack> ive been trying to do that all day icheyne.. no luck.. it stalls at about 8%
[08:19] <Onetrack> adept / apt won't install it either.. all the repos are good..
[08:19] <icheyne> ah
[08:20] <icheyne> I only did it yesterday
[08:20] <icheyne> let me see if I still have it
[08:20] <icheyne> yes, I still have it
[08:20] <noaXess> hi all
[08:20] <Onetrack> it just hangs on the install..
[08:20] <icheyne> Onetrack: want me to send it to you?
[08:20] <icheyne> oh right
[08:20] <Onetrack> yah can you dcc it over? that'd be great
[08:21] <icheyne> sure
[08:21] <hektisk> ah, changing to different genetic monitors didn't impact my choice of resolutions
[08:21] <hektisk> oh well, thanks anyway :)
[08:21] <noaXess> yesterday i have compiled the linux-source-2.6.15 and get 2 errors... will there any error log created after make-kpkg?
[08:21] <hektisk> generic, not genetic, hehe
[08:21] <icheyne> Onetrack: there you go
[08:22] <Onetrack> it failed.. timeout?
[08:22] <icheyne> hmm
[08:22] <icheyne> maybe firewall problem
[08:22] <icheyne> hang on
[08:23] <Onetrack> kk
[08:25] <suyog> what is the name of update manager in Kubuntu? where do i enable it from?
[08:27] <noaXess> some kernel freaks here??
[08:28] <bdmp__> My network won"t work. need help.
[08:28] <icheyne> Onetrack: I'll try again now
[08:28] <Onetrack> k thanks
[08:28] <_amy> ok still beating my head against a wall with the java don't know what's up with it