[03:18]  * elky watches the offtopic discussion dubiously
[03:28] <Flannel> elky: topic successfully changed.
[07:01] <bazhang> hi Madpilot
[07:01] <Madpilot> hey bazhang
[07:01] <bazhang> nice to see you!
[07:01] <Madpilot> thanks
[07:02] <Madpilot> the latest outbreak of "teh ops is soooo mean" on the -ops mailing list prompted me to log in again and reminded me it had been way, way too long since I IRC'd regularly
[07:02] <bazhang> hehe
[07:07] <Madpilot> I'm awesomely out of the loop, don't even have the old helper script installed at present
[07:07] <Madpilot> I take it unoscript over in #u is an anti-pastespam thing?
[07:12] <rww> yep
[07:12] <Madpilot> kewl
[07:18] <Madpilot> blunt email sent to -ops. might regret it tomorrow morning, but probably not.
[07:52] <bazhang> Madpilot, PM?
[07:52] <Madpilot> bazhang, anytime
[10:50] <k1l_> ikonia: that is right. we had a chat on here yesterday and i said i want to wait until today to remove it from topic (and forgot about it)
[10:50] <ikonia> no sweat, done
[12:49] <optrusty> First, Why am I getting so much emails??
[12:51] <jussi> optrusty: no idea. what else can I help you with? :D
[12:54] <IdleOne> optrusty: probably because you are subscribed to the ubuntu-irc mailing list
[12:55] <IdleOne> past 12-24 hrs have been rather busy on that list
[12:55] <IdleOne> anything else I can shed light on for you?
[13:04] <IdleOne> optrusty: if there is nothing else please read the topic and not idle in this channel
[13:30] <optrusty> thx bye
 is there a way to gather the email lists of everyone at MIT
[15:44] <bazhang> thats suspicious
 iOS uses the Linux kernel too!
[16:32] <bazhang> he had another nick previously asking about defrag
[17:35] <k1l> i am quite sure he was in #ubuntu with proper englsh before: [Samson] (~g@541C0E56.cm-5-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl): G
[21:07] <valorie> has this been reported? in my #kubuntu backlog: <Matts4d> UBUNTU SUCKS, IS A BUGGY DISTRO FOR DUMBASS GUYS about 10x
[21:07] <valorie> I dunno how to report here
[21:07] <k1l> he made trouble in #u too
[21:07] <valorie> sec
[21:07] <k1l> .@mark #channel nick done bad things
[21:09] <k1l> kicks and bans in #kubuntu should be logged in  bantracker, too.
[21:16] <valorie> .@mark #kubuntu Matts4d said UBUNTU SUCKS, IS A BUGGY DISTRO FOR DUMBASS GUYS about 10x
[21:17] <k1l> valorie: yeah, without the . (it was just to not trigger the bot by my example)
[21:17] <valorie> ah, ok
[21:17] <valorie> @mark #kubuntu Matts4d said UBUNTU SUCKS, IS A BUGGY DISTRO FOR DUMBASS GUYS about 10x
[21:18] <k1l> @mark #kubuntu Matts4d said UBUNTU SUCKS, IS A BUGGY DISTRO FOR DUMBASS GUYS about 10x
[21:18] <valorie> hmmm
[21:18] <k1l> valorie: hmm, seems like you dont have the permissions on the bot.
[21:18] <valorie> likely, since I've never used it
[22:07] <IdleOne> valorie: try doing @login
[22:24] <valorie> @login
[22:24] <valorie> @login
[22:24] <valorie> [22:24] <valorie> I probably have no password, since I have no account
[22:25] <IdleOne> hmm
[22:25] <IdleOne> tsimpson: can you fix that please
[22:26] <IdleOne> probably just need your host added.
[22:26] <k1l> probably just needs some botmagic :)
[22:27]  * valorie waves magic wand, and poof! tsimpson appears
[22:27] <valorie> wow, slow wand workie
[22:28] <IdleOne> he will probably get to it a little later
[22:28] <IdleOne> Should have you all sorted before the next op call :)
[22:29] <valorie> ooooo, knock on wood!
[22:29] <IdleOne> I mean the next call for ops to volunteer
[22:30] <valorie> ah, ok
[23:47] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu mikey85 muted to explain how to use #ubuntu - based on his comments he is a troll playing dumb, I've removed the mute to give benifit of the doubt
[23:57] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu whoever complaints in pm from a user that this guy is trolling under the blanket of help, looks dubious/poor help, worth watching


[11:08] <wers> who here is familiar with the aurora engine? :)
[15:58] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[16:17] <zniavre> FLOZz,  did you make some change to cover-thumbnailer ?
[16:17] <FLOZz> zniavre: no, because I've work, so I have no many time ^^'
[16:18] <zniavre> ok
[16:18] <FLOZz> :/
[16:19] <FLOZz> I have to implement some things... but I don't know when ^^
[16:19] <zniavre> ok


[00:55] <kklimonda> what is the right pocket to use when preparing a security release for universe package?
[00:55] <kklimonda> lucid-proposed?
[00:55] <micahg> kklimonda: should be lucid-security
[00:55] <micahg> I thikn..
[00:55]  * micahg checks
[00:56] <micahg> kklimonda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation seems to imply -security for all
[00:59] <kklimonda> right, mplayer is in multiverse and still has a -security pocket
[00:59] <kklimonda> thanks
[00:59] <micahg> kklimonda: made it to universe for maverick :)
[00:59] <kklimonda> finally - if there is one thing I can't live without it's mplayer :)
[01:00] <kklimonda> it should be in main ;)
[01:00] <micahg> kklimonda: well, if you can file an MIR with a good reason, you have a chance now :)
[01:02] <kklimonda> meh, I don't think being the swiss-army knife of media players is reason good enough - especially if what I've heard about code quality is true ;)
[01:02] <persia> main/universe is an outdated distinction.
[01:02] <kklimonda> persia: sure - now we only need few years for us contributors and users to stop making this distinction. :)
[01:02] <persia> The only value to MIR is the code review, but we'd do better to have some override flag that let us identify which packages are reviewed.
[01:03] <persia> kklimonda, Indeed :)
[01:03] <persia> (although we also have to fix the package selectors a bit more, and LP)
[01:04] <kklimonda> persia: what will happen when we finish reorganization? will the universe and multiverse apt components be replaced by ubuntu-core, ubuntu-server, ubuntu-desktop-core etc. ?
[01:04] <kklimonda> that would be mess..
[01:05] <kklimonda> maybe now, that we have ubuntu-status-support, we could just use main..
[01:05] <kklimonda> ubuntu-support-status even
[01:06] <persia> kklimonda, No.  We end up with three areas, which aren't likely to be called "main", "restricted-software", "restricted-drivers", but those names identify the contents well.
[01:06] <kklimonda> makes sense
[01:07] <persia> ubuntu-support-status is part of the work, but unfortunately it's still too narrow.  We have no way of identifying who provides said support, which tends to lead to disagreements about some things (where one person claims they will support it, and another doesn't want to do so, etc.)
[01:08] <persia> So, we'll probably end up with something broader, so that groups like Canonical, Kubuntu Developers, Dell, Mozillateam, Oracle, etc. can claim they support specific sets of packages.
[01:08] <kklimonda> by "who" do you mean which team or is this distinction between canonical and community-based teams?
[01:08] <kklimonda> ah, nice
[01:09] <kklimonda> I guess Oracle isn't exactly "community-based" team *cough* but I get the idea.
[01:10] <persia> I don't like to make distinction between "Canonical" and "Community": my viewpoint is that Canonical participates in the Community.  That said, there's perhaps a useful distinction between artificial people (e.g, Dell), and loose conglomerations (e.g. Mythbuntu Developers)
[01:11] <persia> And while Canonical deserves great thanks for the sheer volume of contribution to Ubuntu, I'm not sure it's very special compared to other corporates who pay developers to work on Ubuntu and support various parts of it.
[01:12] <persia> Well, Oracle also participates: I know for certain that there are Oracle employees whose job descriptions include making sure various things work correctly in Ubuntu.  They deserve thanks for that, regardless of other opinions we may hold of Oracle in general.
[01:12] <kklimonda> persia: well, that's great - wish they showed themselves so we can thank them :)
[01:14] <persia> Coincidentally, better coordination of corporate contributions was brought up at a recent CC meeting.
[01:15] <kklimonda> that would be great if more contributions like it were hilighted
[01:16] <persia> Yeah.  We're pretty good about thanking people who help.  We're less good about thanking organisations that fund people to help.
[03:33]  * micahg wonders if requestsync is not working for others as well
[03:40] <persia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/17/#ubuntu-release.txt has some pithy comments about why the use of requestsync is dangerous anyway.
[03:41] <persia> Err, nevermind.
[03:41]  * persia has confused requestsync and sycnpackage again
[03:41] <micahg> persia: yeah, I know about syncpackage
[03:41] <micahg> persia: requestsync is telling me packages aren't in unstab;e
[03:42] <persia> which package?
[03:42] <micahg> sqlite3
[03:45]  * micahg figures this is the last chance to get it updated
[03:46] <persia> I get "E: The versions in Debian and Ubuntu are the same already (<IP_ADDRESS>-1). Aborting." trying to run requestsync against sqllite
[03:46] <micahg> persia: yeah, that's because Debian's QA madison is out of date, I'm using the UDD madison
[03:47] <persia> Hrm.
[03:47] <persia> You could just file it manually, not that hard, really.
[03:47] <micahg> yeah
[03:48] <persia> I suspect there's some subtle dependency somewhere on the QA rmadison server
[03:54] <micahg> I filed it manually
[06:01] <tbielawa> Greetings MOTUs, gnu-smalltalk was excluded from Lucid and I would like to have it available. I would like to know what I can do to make this happen.
[06:02] <lifeless> fix up the FTBFS that it was experiencing
[06:02] <tbielawa> Ok
[06:02] <micahg> tbielawa: yeah, it's in lucid, just not built
[06:02] <lifeless> it may be fixed in Debian already, in which case requesting a sync should be sufficient
[06:02] <tbielawa> INdeed
[06:02] <tbielawa> I've been working on this.
[06:02] <tbielawa> Is it possible to have a newer version used in it's place instead, since it was never included?
[06:03] <lifeless> you could get such a thing into backports.
[06:03] <tbielawa> micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnu-smalltalk/+bug/557290 is relevant
[06:04] <tbielawa> It sounds like I just need to make the debdiff and let the SRU group know about it.
[06:05] <micahg> tbielawa: well, a debdiff to fix the FTBFS if you want 3.0.3, file a backports request if you want 3.2 in lucid
[06:07] <tbielawa> micahg: The people I'm supporting would prefer 3.2. I'll work on the FTBFS first and then apply for a backport.
[06:08] <tbielawa> Seems more likely that getting the FTBFS fixed would get it included.
[06:08] <micahg> tbielawa: well, i386 is built for maverick, but you probably want to fix amd64 before the backport
[06:09] <tbielawa> You mean amd64 is broke for maverick?
[06:10] <micahg> tbielawa: yep, when I said FTBFS before I was referring to Lucid, amd64 is broke for maverick as well
[06:10] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnu-smalltalk/3.2-1/+build/1735324/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.gnu-smalltalk_3.2-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[06:11] <nigelb> g32
[06:11] <nigelb> err, #fail, sorry.
[06:13] <tbielawa> you know, there's a hidden file, .gdbm in the upstream source, I wonder if that got misplaced somewhere
[06:14] <tbielawa> oh, that file says it's contains debugging commands for smalltalk
[06:15] <tbielawa> So for lucid, I should start at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/gnu-smalltalk/lucid and fix the FTBFS.
[06:15] <micahg> tbielawa: depends which version you're interested in
[06:15] <tbielawa> I've picked the wrong source for code before and had to redowork
[06:15] <tbielawa> Just fixing the 3.0 FTBFS
[06:15] <micahg> If you want the 3.0.3-2 in archive, yes
[06:16] <tbielawa> micahg: thanks for your help
[06:16] <micahg> tbielawa: np
[06:17] <tbielawa> target in changelog should be lucid, nothing special right?
[06:17] <micahg> tbielawa: lucid-proposed
[06:44] <micahg> Is it worth filing sync requests for a long stream of build deps at this point for a depwait in maverick?
[06:46] <persia> Depends.  If they are independently worthwhile (e.g. pulling in a chain of recent Debian RC-fix uploads), then absolutely.  If they don't seem useful, maybe patch the depwaiting package to not need them.
[06:47] <micahg> it's java stuff, so it seems like circular deps
[06:47] <micahg> but a few of the packages are out of date in maverick comapred to sid
[06:47]  * persia wants specifics
[06:48] <micahg> tiles is depwait on libspring-core-2.5-java which is in the source libspring-2.5-java which requires are newer libhibernate3-java which requires the version of tiles that won't build
[06:54] <micahg> persia: ^^
[06:56] <persia> Ugh.  That's frustrating.  You might ask drazzib (#debian-java@OFTC) for recommendations, but I haven't seen him work much on Ubuntu, so I'm unsure if you'll get quick or useful advice.
[06:57] <micahg> persia: is it worth pulling in something like that though?
[06:57] <persia> I'd say yes: it fixes at least two RC bugs, and a security bug.
[06:58] <micahg> persia: oh, how do I tell that?
[06:58] <persia> But that's only for the three packages you mention: it may be the case that there is more goodness down the stack.
[06:58]  * persia reads abridged changelogs from packages.qa.debian.org
[06:58] <micahg> ah
[06:59] <micahg> well, we have our Global Jam on Sunday, maybe i can get people to help me research these things
[06:59] <persia> heh
[07:00]  * micahg is supposed to review a list of mozilla bugs for the reviews team on Sunday as well
[07:02] <micahg> persia: PM?
[07:27] <tbielawa> micahg: nothing like fixing a FTBFS to end the night. I got that debdiff created but I'm going to test it once more tomorrow before submitting it.
[07:28] <micahg> tbielawa: great :)
[07:57] <raywang> hi, please how to install a deb package without any further post-conf?
[07:59] <persia> Hrm?  How do you mean?  Not running the maintainer scripts?
[07:59] <raywang> persia, well, i guess so
[08:00] <raywang> like when you're installing postfix, and don't want to be interrupted by the post-configuration
[08:01] <persia> Given the volume of things done in the postfix postinst, I suspect you don't really want to not run it.
[08:01] <persia> My recommendation would be to search for docs on debconf preseeding, and ask in #ubuntu-server for specific support once you have some background.
[08:02] <raywang> persia, well, actually postfix is just a dependency here, I don't really need it
[08:03] <raywang> what i want is just a non-interactive installing process, so i have no need to configure it. :)
[08:03] <persia> Yeah, you want preseeding.
[08:03] <raywang> persia, do you have any idea how to ignore the postinst?
[08:03] <raywang> persia, sorry, i don't get it. :)
[08:04] <persia> Again, you *don't* want to ignore the postinst: you want to preseed debconf so it doesn't bother you.
[08:04] <persia> Also, this isn't a good channel for support.
[08:04] <raywang> yeah, you're right
[08:05] <raywang> persia, ok, I want to preseed something for debconf when installing a package, and what channel would be the best? :)
[08:07] <persia> Depends on the package.  I'd probably start in #ubuntu-server, as there's been a lot of work on server packages to be non-interactive, but I'd read the preseeding information in the installation guide (package: installation-guide-${arch}) first, and maybe the debconf documentation.
[08:07] <persia> And you can probably use the knowledge you get with that to apply to any other packages.
[08:07] <raywang> persia, ok, thanks for the guiding. appreciated! :)
[08:08] <persia> raywang, Good luck.
[08:09] <raywang> thanks
[08:09] <dholbach> good morning
[09:26] <\sh> maco, very nice blog article ... thx a lot for that :) you rock :)
[09:26] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[09:26] <maco> \sh: thanks :)
[09:26] <\sh> ajmitch, moins :)
[09:27] <maco> the packaging recipes need some love
[09:28] <maco> will have to poke them at a sane time of da
[09:28] <maco> *day
[09:28] <ajmitch> you mean recipes in launchpad?
[09:28] <ajmitch> or some other use of the word? :)
[09:28] <maco> on the wiki
[09:28] <ajmitch> ah
[09:28] <maco> there are packaging recipes... short howto's for packaging that follow some very rote steps
[09:28] <ajmitch> we should rename the wiki then
[09:28] <StevenK> maco: That's a good blog article -- a small itch, if you don't specify the Section for the binary package, it uses the source package's Section
[09:29] <ajmitch> it'll be confusing once LP recipes are in common use
[09:29] <maco> StevenK: oooh computers being logical!
[09:29] <persia> 90% of the time one probably *shouldn't* have the Binary section.
[09:29] <StevenK> maco: Say it ain't so!
[09:30] <maco> i got a comment saying i should switch it for quilt instead of native. you guys think so?
[09:30] <ajmitch> it can be useful
[09:30] <StevenK> Ewww, quilt
[09:30] <ajmitch> because then adding patches is less effort
[09:30] <ajmitch> StevenK: I know you're waiting patiently for 3.0 (git)
[09:31] <maco> StevenK: were you the one who asked me in barcelona when i was going to apply to motu and i answered "when i figure out quilt"?
[09:31] <StevenK> maco: It could be ... I can use quilt, I don't have to like it :-)
[09:31] <StevenK> And I dislike git with fire and brimstone
[09:32] <maco> i need to get better with git so i can have it not be a hindrance as i try to sort out how the heck the kernel works
[09:32]  * wgrant just uses bzr-git
[09:32] <wgrant> bzr-git is awesome.
[09:32] <maco> also.... kde is going git (woo no more svn!)
[09:32] <StevenK> maco: Why do you want to figure out how the kernel works?
[09:32] <ajmitch> not so easy to use git-buildpackage & assorted tools with that
[09:33] <maco> StevenK: because i want to grow up to be valerie aurora?
[09:33] <wgrant> ajmitch: No... you just use bzr-buildpackage.
[09:34] <ajmitch> wgrant: for existing packages in debian, and it does all the proper tagging, changelog entries?
[09:35] <wgrant> ajmitch: It *should* work pretty much fine.
[09:35] <ajmitch> it's when you want to work with a team & sponsor uploads (hi Laney!) that having to use the other tools is frustrating :)
[10:22] <Laney> git-dch <3
[10:40] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Thanks for the review!
[10:45] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: hope it was useful
[10:46] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Very much! I am going to apply in the meeting on september the 14th
[10:46] <tumbleweed> cool, good luck
[10:46] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Let me give you a bug. Check if its the right wqay to go
[10:50] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: bah, I just filed a bug in BTS, lost its bug number. Hell!
 I wonder
 What is it with Java that makes it so prone to overengineering?
 IHammer hammer = HammerFactoryBuilderImpl.getHammerFactory(new DefaultHammerBindingConstants()).newHammer();
[11:03] <sebner> lucidfox: it's hammer time! \o/
[11:11] <directhex> lucidfox, a desire to avoid inflexibility, i guess.
[11:42] <Zhenech> hyperair, copyright file is not uptodate?
[12:04] <kklimonda> lucidfox: probably because Java naming is so long - developers just decide to go with the flow..
[12:04] <kklimonda> naming conventions*
[12:04] <kklimonda> lucidfox: I love examples like this one - is it a real piece of code?
[12:05] <kklimonda> ;)
[12:05] <hyperair> Zhenech: for geany-plugins?
[12:05] <hyperair> whoops.
[12:05] <Zhenech> hyperair, yepp
[12:06] <hyperair> you mean just debian/copyright?
[12:06] <hyperair> weird, i thought i documented things in there.
[12:06] <lucidfox> kklimonda> No, I made it up, but most real "enterprise"(tm) Java applications have plenty of code like that
[12:07] <hyperair> Zhenech: hmm looks like i didn't. i'll bring it up to date then.
[12:08] <kklimonda> lucidfox: I'd love to find a real example like that - I'd print it, frame it and hang on my wall..
[12:08] <Zhenech> hyperair,
[12:08] <Zhenech> To git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/pkg-geany/packages/geany-plugins.git
[12:08] <Zhenech>  * [new branch]      squeeze -> squeeze
[12:08] <kklimonda> but I can't really stand reading Java code.. and I have an android app in plans :/
[12:08] <Zhenech> look in there :)
[12:08] <hyperair> Zhenech: ooh.
[12:09] <hyperair> Zhenech++
[12:09] <Zhenech> hyperair, i guess it's ok for you that I added myself to uplaoders?
[12:16] <hyperair> Zhenech: sure no problem
[12:17] <bilalakhtar> howdy hyperair
[13:21] <AnAnt> Hello
[14:43] <ari-tczew> lfaraone: ping
[14:44] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: yep?
[14:45] <ari-tczew> lfaraone: could you sponsor something for me in Debian?
[14:45] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: what package?
[14:45] <ari-tczew> lfaraone: agg
[14:46] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: new upstreeam version or bugfix?
[14:47] <ari-tczew> lfaraone: bugfix. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575620
[14:56] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: sure, but I won't be able to get to it right now. can you send me an email?
[14:56] <ari-tczew> lfaraone: sure.
[14:56] <ari-tczew> lfaraone: could you give me adress on private message?
[14:57] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: myircnick at debian dot org
[14:57] <ari-tczew> ok :)
[14:58] <Laney> ari-tczew: you don't maintain that package, do you think it's worth a NMU?
[14:58] <Laney> given that the severity is minor
[14:58] <lfaraone> what Laney said. :)
[14:59] <ari-tczew> Laney: what do you suggest?
[14:59] <Laney> I don't know the bug
[15:00] <Laney> you've to think about the squeeze freeze. Maybe you should give the maintainer some time to respond.
[15:02] <ari-tczew> IIRC av doesn't have time for maintaining, but ok. I can wait some days.
[15:02] <Laney> well then he should get some co-maintainers or hand the package over ;)
[15:03] <ari-tczew> Laney: I'm only interested in uploading this one.
[15:03] <Laney> not to you
[15:04] <ari-tczew> requestsync doesn't work :(
[15:19] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: got a time?
[15:20] <geser> ari-tczew: can you be more specific than "doesn't work"?
[15:21] <ari-tczew> geser: now I requested bug manually and I have to get a package to sync for test.
[15:21] <ari-tczew> I didn't save error message.
[15:40] <lfaraone> james_w: when you get a chance, can you merge in spiv's fix to bug #623736 in bzr-builddeb?
[15:40]  * lfaraone is using bzr in a chroot right now :(
[15:43] <james_w> lfaraone: yes, I just commented
[15:45] <lfaraone> aha, I see.
[16:09] <Laney> right, here goes Maverick's Haskell transition
[16:10]  * Laney quivers
[16:10] <Laney> should only be a little one
[16:23] <directhex> more haskell transitions?
[16:23] <directhex> seems fragile, abiwise
[16:23] <Laney> this upload changes the abi of one library
[16:24] <Laney> but i don't understand why
[16:24] <Laney> only touches stuff in debian/
[16:25] <Laney> at least we made it so that apt will save users from having a broken system
[17:18] <ari-tczew> geser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/483532/
[17:18] <ari-tczew> requestsync fails
[17:51] <lfaraone> Do I need to explicitly specify universe/$SUBSECTION in packages that are destined for Ubuntu only?
[17:52] <james_w> no
[20:57] <lfaraone> For completely new packages, if I'm a MOTU, can I just file the needs-packaging bug, subscribe ~ubuntu-release, and go ahead and upload to the queue? Or do I need ~ubuntu-release approval first?
[20:58] <hyperair> i think you need a FFe?
[20:59] <BlackZ> lfaraone: for new packages you will need a FFe
[21:00] <Laney> I doubt it matters if you upload to the queue first or after
[21:00] <lfaraone> hyperair, BlackZ, right. I'm wondering if it's done similar to ~ubuntu-sru, where you need SRU approval, but they want it in the queue first.
[21:01] <BlackZ> lfaraone: no, you will need a FFe before to upload the package
[21:02] <hyperair> but it doesn't really matter, does it? if the FFe isn't granted, the package will get rejected from the queue. no harm done.
[21:08] <tbielawa> Would some one please review this SRU request and tell me if I did it correctly? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnu-smalltalk/+bug/557290
[21:10] <nigelb> tbielawa: everything seems to be done right
[21:11] <tbielawa> nigelb: thanks for the confirmation!
[21:18] <BlackZ> hyperair: what about if you will upload a new package and the FFe for it isn't garanted yet when an archive admin will check it?
[21:18] <hyperair> BlackZ: then it gets skipped?
[21:18] <BlackZ> hyperair: it may get skipped, yes
[21:21] <hyperair> BlackZ: so nothing bad, right?
[21:25] <BlackZ> hyperair: yes, if when you will upload a new package and the FFe for it isn't garanted yet when an archive admin will check it, it doesn't really matter if you will upload it first or after (as Laney said)
[21:27] <Laney> so nobody is arguing, good
[21:27]  * hyperair nods
[21:27] <micahg> this is after beta freeze, right?
[21:27] <Laney> now
[21:27] <Laney> that doesn't mean anything for universe
[21:28] <micahg> Laney: I thought it jsut meant that uploads need to be processed by an AA
[21:28] <micahg> oh, me  just checked the scrollback
[21:28] <Laney> well stuff gets held in unapproved
[21:28] <micahg> nm'
[21:30] <BlackZ> lfaraone: so it's a your choice to upload the new package (a package that isn't in Ubuntu nor Debian) first or after that the FFe got approved/rejected
[21:32] <BlackZ> s/approved/rejected/granted/not granted
[21:36] <iulian> lfaraone: Is that new package going to be uploaded to Debian as well?
[21:37] <lfaraone> iulian: No, it isn't.
[21:38] <lfaraone> iulian: I'm a DD, so I'm usually in favor of submitting it to Debian and sync it over, but this package is not really useful outside of Ubuntu.
[21:38] <iulian> lfaraone: That was actually my next question.
[21:39] <ajmitch> you probably want to mention the FFe in the changelog for the archive admins, but that ends up being slow waiting for -release before you can upload
[21:40] <lfaraone> iulian: "ubuntu-sugar-remix-default-settings" and a "ubuntu-sugar-remix" metapackage are about as useful in Debian as having "debian-edu-*" in Ubuntu.
[22:05] <ScottK> lfaraone: If I approve ubuntu-sugar-remix, is that going to cause more FFes to appear or is this it?
[22:06] <lfaraone> ScottK: yes and no.
[22:06] <ScottK> Please clarify?
[22:06] <lfaraone> ScottK: the package only depends on what's in the archive, of course.
[22:07] <lfaraone> ScottK: but we've a few packages that are in Debian that we'd like to get synced over to Ubuntu.
[22:07] <ScottK> So there's more that's no in the archive that you'd add if you can?
[22:07] <ScottK> OK.  Anything that's not in Debian?
[22:08] <lfaraone> ScottK: one in NEW, and I think there may be one or two unpackaged. But right now we're focusing first on what's already packaged.
[22:09] <ScottK> lfaraone: I'm good for an FFe for the metapackage, the default settings, and syncing from Debian.  If you want new packages not in Debian, find an archive admin with time (not me) to agree to do the New review and include that in the FFe for the new pacakge.
[22:09] <lfaraone> ScottK: 1 in new, 2 packaging in process of being packaged, and 2 unpackaged.
[22:09] <lfaraone> ScottK: okay, great.
[22:14] <lfaraone> ScottK: so in the future for packages meeting those criteria (syncs), should I just subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[22:15] <ScottK> lfaraone: No.  They still need release team approval.  I'm just telling you now I'll give it.
[22:50] <lfaraone> ScottK: ah, okay.,


[12:09]  * ogra points at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/ and dances
[12:16] <sveinse> Have anyone any experience with PulseAudio on any omap target (outside of X11)?
[12:16] <sveinse> I'm having troubles starting it
[12:44] <rsalveti> sveinse: well, we're using it for both beagle and panda
[12:45] <sveinse> from X11 then?
[12:45] <rsalveti> for panda you just need to update to latest kernel available at updates
[12:45] <rsalveti> sveinse: the daemon is not started at x11
[12:45] <sveinse> ok. when and how?
[12:48] <rsalveti> hm, ok, it's configured and started per user session
[12:48] <rsalveti> you have the init script but it's not used
[12:48] <rsalveti> sveinse: how are you trying to load it
[12:48] <rsalveti> ?
[12:50] <sveinse> rsalveti: That my Q as well. I have no idea how I should do it, or how Ubuntu wants me to start it
[12:51] <sveinse> rsalveti: But I do have problems manually (command line) start PA, because it stop at some ALSA enumeation which seems to be off
[12:52] <rsalveti> which board?
[12:53] <sveinse> Custom HW, based on OMAP3530 with custom 8ch audio chip. It's fully possible that our ALSA driver has bugs.
[12:53] <sveinse> However cmdline ALSA playback works, while PA wont start
[12:55] <sveinse> rsalveti: What happens if you run (as unprivileged user) pulseaudio --daemonize on any omap target you might have?
[12:56] <sveinse> Because that is the recommended way to start PA as user according to the PA docs
[12:56] <rsalveti> just a sec
[12:59] <sveinse> rsalveti: You need to out of X11 I think
[12:59] <rsalveti> yup, np
[13:00] <sveinse> ok
[13:01] <sveinse> What happens if you run:
[13:01] <sveinse> strace -e trace=open -f -o strace.log pulseaudio
[13:01] <sveinse> cat strace.log |grep /etc/pulse
[13:02] <sveinse> 2391  open("/etc/pulse/daemon.conf", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
[13:02] <sveinse> 2391  open("/etc/pulse/default.pa", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 8
[13:02] <sveinse> It shouldn't read daemon.conf when running as unprivileged user.... It should read client.conf instead
[13:06]  * rsalveti booting his panda in text mode only
[13:08] <rsalveti> sveinse: pulseaudio --daemonize works fine at panda
[13:08] <rsalveti> at least it seems to be running
[13:08] <sveinse> good
[13:08] <sveinse> kill it and try the strace, if you please
[13:09] <rsalveti> sure
[13:10] <rsalveti> yup, also reading daemon.conf and default.pa
[13:10] <sveinse> Hmm. That could be a bug -- or an intended feature
[13:10] <rsalveti> probably a feature
[13:11] <rsalveti> maybe it first try to load the system configuration, then load the user one
[13:11] <rsalveti> as default
[13:11] <sveinse> strange. conflicts with PA docs at least
[13:11] <rsalveti> hm
[13:12] <rsalveti> pulseaudio --dump-conf
[13:12] <rsalveti> you'll see that it loads the daemon.conf
[13:12] <sveinse> At least you helped me confirm that this is not only my system, so thanks!
[13:12] <rsalveti> ~/.pulse/daemon.conf, /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: configuration settings for the PulseAudio daemon. If the version in the user's home directory does not exist the global configuration file is loaded. See pulse-daemon.conf(5) for
[13:12] <rsalveti>        more information.
[13:13] <rsalveti> from man page
[13:14] <sveinse> yeah. Check out man pulse-client.conf   When is this loaded then? ;)
[13:14] <sveinse> No point in the file if it doesn't load the config IMHO
[13:15] <rsalveti> maybe just loaded by pulse clients
[13:15] <rsalveti> and not the daemon itself
[13:15] <sveinse> perhaps. at least it seems to be consistent with host (amd64) maverick behaviour
[13:15] <rsalveti> yup, cames from libpulse0 package
[13:17] <sveinse> At least I'm getting somewhere, so thanks rsalveti!
[13:18] <sveinse> ..now to trace the real cause of pulseaudio refusal to start
[13:20] <rsalveti> probably related with the audio config file for your board
[13:20] <rsalveti> at least this was what was breaking for panda
[13:21] <sveinse> I see PA reports wrong samplerate and channels when detecting the ALSA devices.
[13:21] <sveinse> Perhaps there are some sample-info metadata missing from the driver
[13:21] <rsalveti> could be too
[13:22] <sveinse> do you know of a way to use any alsa tool to list the ALSA cards and their properties?
[13:29] <rsalveti> I think there is something from alsa-utils
[13:32] <sveinse> well you have alsactl, but it doesn't list things like #channels and other specs, just the sound card's name
[13:33] <rsalveti> ogra: maybe you know that, as you configured the omap 4 board file
[13:33] <rsalveti> probably dump the boards and the mixers
[13:33] <rsalveti> I'm not remembering now
[13:33]  * ogra reads backlog
[13:34] <rsalveti> ogra: just how to dump the alsa card configuration
[13:34] <ogra> urghm i dont remember
[13:34] <ogra> something with alsactl
[13:35] <rsalveti> maybe you give alsactl store and then looked at the alsa.state file
[13:35] <ogra> i think there is infor in the sounddevices omap4 bug
[13:35] <rsalveti> sorry, asound.state
[13:39]  * sveinse searching LP
[13:40] <sveinse> ogra: bug #637947 ?
[13:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637947 in linux-ti-omap4 "no sound devices on current ES2.0 boards" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637947
[13:41] <ogra> sveinse, yeah, that should have several ways of getting alsa infos
[13:44] <sveinse> thanks
[13:45] <ogra> rsalveti, seen my comment above ? we have images :)
[13:46] <rsalveti> ogra: nops, cool
[13:46] <rsalveti> awesome, even for omap3
[13:46] <ogra> yep
[13:46] <rsalveti> ogra: just missing manifest for omap3
[13:46] <ogra> yeah
[13:46]  * rsalveti downloading them
[13:46] <ogra> shouldnt be different from omap4 though
[13:47] <ogra> apart from kernel
[13:48] <rsalveti> yup
[13:48] <rsalveti> but will fire it up at my xm
[13:53] <ogra> wow
[13:53] <ogra> we should pull libreoffice back into our images ... 472M !!
[13:53] <ogra> so much space !!!
[13:57] <rsalveti> ouch
[14:42] <guerby> rsalveti, some update on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/690370
[14:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690370 in linux-ti-omap4 "Strange out of memory on pandaboard" [Undecided,New]
[14:42] <guerby> rsalveti, I tried Robert Nelson kernel but without args I'm back to 512MB RAM
[14:43] <guerby> rcn-ee, hi :) ^
[14:44] <guerby> rcn-ee, could you provide me with your exact /proc/cmdline?
[14:45] <guerby> rcn-ee, mine is now "text ro root=UUID=b5d2dfb1-270c-4966-abe6-dfe7a2a17efd console=ttyO2,115200n8" but when I boot I have only 490MB of RAM
[14:54] <guerby> ok now I get a random MAC again at each boot
[14:55] <vstehle-laptop> guerby: you can use smsc95xx.macaddr=xxx to specify your mac I think.
[14:58] <guerby> vstehle-laptop, not with rcn-ee kernel (that's what I was using before but with newer kernel it prevents network for working at all...)
[15:04] <rsalveti> vstehle: vstehle-laptop: call?
[15:04] <rsalveti> guerby: I really think this is kind of related with the mem instability issues we have when using 1gb
[15:05] <rsalveti> that cooloney was working last week
[15:05] <rsalveti> was kind of waiting his results before testing this again
[15:05] <rsalveti> we also posted on linux-omap to get more attention, but it seems nobody is actually looking at it
[15:05] <rsalveti> even from ti
[15:05] <rsalveti> :-(
[15:05] <guerby> rsalveti, I rebooted with the mem= option and i see 768M again (on rcn-ee kernel)
[15:06] <rsalveti> that's expected, if you're using 2g/2g then you can also use 1gb
[15:06] <rsalveti> but will probably get unexpected results
[15:06] <guerby> rsalveti, I'm relaunching my GCC bootstrap test we'll see what happens
[15:08] <guerby> rsalveti, anyway do you know what option is now replacing the former smsc95xx.macaddr=xx ?
[15:12] <rsalveti> guerby: hm, need to check what patch got upstream regarding that
[15:28] <guerby> rsalveti, yep this is going to annoy lots of users :)
[15:39] <rsalveti> guerby: yup, as rcn-ee pointed at his latest comment, it seems that the only patch that got applied upstream is the one that you can fix the mac by using /etc/network/interfaces
[15:39] <rsalveti> I believe the one that you can set as a module parameter was just a sauce from ti
[15:41] <rsalveti> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commit;h=10f38b455e75b85f72e98786e5518cf7b0324634
[15:41] <rsalveti> this is the one that adds it
[15:43]  * rsalveti is still trying to pull linux-2.6 upstream
[15:46] <hrw> 1GB on panda... my dream
[15:46] <rsalveti> 1gb and es 2.2
[15:48] <hrw> I have es2.0
[15:51] <guerby> rsalveti, new kernel freezes way faster ...
[15:52] <rsalveti> =\
[15:53] <guerby> rsalveti, I wonder what rcn-ee does to avoid those
[15:53] <rsalveti> maybe because it's not the same env
[15:54] <rsalveti> but I was able to get freezes like this with my both pandas
[15:54] <rsalveti> just compiling big packages
[15:55] <guerby> rsalveti, ah great! I'm not alone in the world :)
[15:55] <hrw> [95346.261871] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: usb0: kevent 2 may have been dropped
[15:55] <hrw> I hate that message
[15:55] <rsalveti> yeah, usual
[15:55] <hrw> on EA1 and A1 it is death message ;(
[15:55] <rsalveti> both xm and panda, as they are using the same driver
[15:56] <hrw> rsalveti: never had xm
[15:56] <hrw> I have bb: b7/c3/c3 and panda: ea1 (one of 10 which have es2.0 but gpios set as for es2.1)
[16:00] <vstehle-laptop> hrw: maybe jayabharath can help you get your ea1 panda reworked ?
[16:00] <hrw> vstehle-laptop: this panda is fine
[16:05] <hrw> A1/ES2.1 has faster memory bus then EA1/ES2.0 one. but still <12MB/s from usbhdd
[16:05] <hrw> TI: please fix your drivers
[16:08] <rsalveti> :-)
[16:09] <hrw> with omap3 musb-hcd was hmm... quality. omap4 shows that usb host controllers are still not strong in TI
[16:09] <hrw> someone knows good memspeed test?
[16:17] <sebjan> rsalveti, guerby: the patch for the smsc95xx.macaddr parameter has been integrated into the natty kernel for omap4
[16:17] <rsalveti> sebjan: yup, but he's currently trying upstream
[16:35] <guerby> sebjan, ok thx
[16:36] <hrw> have a nice weekend
[18:35] <Homefix1> I have no hair left: I created ubuntu ubuntuArm image using rootstock for use on my mobile phone.Here is my tutorial http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098  I hade trouble with the terminal (no prompt) I know it has something to do with this "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)" message when installing applications from the android
[18:35] <Homefix1> terminal were i start the chroot. Last week i asked the very same question. someone replied i have to MAKEDEV. I think that did it, i got my prompt back.( i have no ideea what i did,just used all the commands i could use etcstd,generic,update conlole etc. the problem is i cannot reproduce those results again. Every image i create i get no prompt.
[18:36] <Homefix1> Does the kernel i use upon first emulation with qemu have any thing to do with setting up dev/pts?
[18:37] <rbelem> Homefix1, mount -o bind /dev/ /chroot/mount/point/dev
[18:37] <rbelem> Homefix1, and inside chroot mount /dev/pts
[18:37] <Homefix1> how could i narrow down this "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)" because terminal wont work if system cannot write to dev/pts
[18:44] <rsalveti> ogra: GrueMaster: it seems the omap 3 image is basically the rootfs
[18:44] <rsalveti> there are no other partition, like the one used to boot it
[18:45] <GrueMaster> It built?  I had an email saying it failed.
[18:45] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: ogra said in the irc that we had one for today
[18:45] <rsalveti> also on the release status
[18:45] <GrueMaster> Hadn't read all the backscroll yet.  My bad.
[18:45] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: happy testing :-)
[18:46] <GrueMaster> grumble.
[18:46] <Homefix1> rbelen: thnks try it
[18:47] <rsalveti> and I believe omap 4 needs the new x-loader
[18:48] <rsalveti> well, it's still working, but probably with wrong clocks and etc
[18:48] <Homefix1> rbelen wen i try mount /dev/pts i get "none already mounted or /dev/pts busy mount: according to fstab,none is already mounted"
[18:50] <Homefix1> i wish some one had a minut to download my image and take a look for themselves http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SJY6ZB58
[18:51] <rsalveti> urgh, trying to access beyond the device
[18:52] <rsalveti> and one error inside jasper_growroot
[18:52] <rsalveti> line 57: /dev/mmcbl0p: bad variable name
[18:52] <rsalveti> hehe, both probably broken
[18:53] <Homefix1> I use the same chroot scripts for both images (one that works and the million that dont). the prob has to  be in the image
[18:53] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: can you also try and confirm for me?
[18:53] <rsalveti> just to be sure, as my sd card reader seems to be giving some unexpected results
[18:53] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Downloading images now.  Will take ~20 minutes.
[18:54] <rsalveti> cool, that's fine
[18:54] <rsalveti> if you just give file to the omap3 image you'll probably get only an ext3 fs
[19:01] <Homefix1> rbelem: out of the 5 scripts (bootubuntu,fsrw,mountonly,ubuntu.sh,unionfs) here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098 (all the scripts are opened for viewing here).Where would i place "mount -o bind /dev/ /chroot/mount/point/dev in those scripts? and thanks (and by the way my images are karmic)
[19:06] <rbelem> checking
[19:09] <rbelem> Homefix1, in bootubuntu before mount -t devpts devpts $mnt/dev/pts
[19:09] <Homefix1> try it you the ....person
[19:16] <sveinse> I'm running rootstock a lot, and I'm considering putting together my own local apt cache/mirror. Now, what's the easiest way to get hold of the debs rootstock is downloading?
[19:19] <rbelem> sveinse, using approx
[19:20] <GrueMaster> sveinse: I have my own mirror, and I fount that using a combination of ubumirror and apt-mirror works best for me.  apt-mirror allows me to specify the specific arch & release, and I can fine tune ubumirror to pick up the .udeb files and other bits.
[19:23] <sveinse> GrueMaster: Do you mirror all of armel, or have you picked out specific packages?
[19:23] <Homefix1> rbelem: no change, I have one working without the modifications to the script. I cannot reproduce the same conditions to create another, try number of times with rootstock, and with the project rootstock script, no sucsess. the image that i got to work last week i think was fixed using MAKEDEV upon ogra's request. But cant make it happen again what am i doing wrong.IT WORKED ONCE ARGGGGGGG.Im
[19:23] <Homefix1> so frustrated but i love it haha.
[19:23] <rbelem> :-)
[19:24] <GrueMaster> sveinse: I mirror all of armel, but only back to Lucid.  Here is the apt-mirror config.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/556629/
[19:24] <rbelem> Homefix1, in general i use the mount -o bind ... and it works fine
[19:25] <GrueMaster> sveinse: Here is my ubumirror.conf.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/556631/
[19:25] <sveinse> GrueMaster: Thanks. What the size of one version (e.g. Maverick) for armel?
[19:26] <GrueMaster> Well, it is a mirror, so every version is in the same location.  My entire mirror is 267G, but that is everything from lucid forward, including source files, .udeb files, and netboot images.
[19:27] <GrueMaster> Not sure how much just maverick would be, but I'd expect it to be ~1/3 of this.
[19:28] <sveinse> ok, this would be too large for me at this point
[19:28] <Homefix1> rbelem:cant figure out were to go next to see why one image sees /dev/pts and the other doesnt.
[19:28]  * sveinse is wondering if apt-mirror and/or ubumirror can be configured for specific packages only... RTFM
[19:29] <GrueMaster> Like I said, I get everything.  Main, Universe, Multiverse, Restricted, Updates, Proposed, Backports.  Everything.
[19:29] <sveinse> Oh, yes, true
[19:29] <GrueMaster> I think a mirror of Maverick Main w/o source would be around 20-30M
[19:29] <GrueMaster> I mean G
[19:30] <StevenK> For one arch + all, yes.
[19:31] <Homefix1> rbelem: whats funny is on the noprompt image i cannot create folders on the desktop either
[19:31] <Homefix1> or any other image i make except the one i was lucky enough to make thank god i have that.
[19:33] <Homefix1> rbelem : .....to fiddle with, after all why would you want ubuntu on your phone anyway. just kidding in my mind who wouldnt
[19:35] <rbelem> Homefix1, i really want it on my phone
[19:36] <rbelem> Homefix1, imagine an android ui on top of an ubuntu base :-)
[19:36] <Homefix1> Ha Haaaa
[19:37] <rbelem> Homefix1, soon we will have plasma-mobile
[19:37] <rbelem> currently it is technology preview
[19:38] <Homefix1> rbelem: just need bigger screen
[19:39] <Homefix1> rbelem dont no how wife sees here little palm pixi screen
[19:40] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: omap image is single partition only.  Bah.
[19:40] <GrueMaster> can't test it anyway.  ENOHW
[19:40] <GrueMaster> panda image looks promising.  Flashing now.
[19:44] <GrueMaster> Brrr.  65f/18c in my office.  Man, I sometimes miss testing on x86/amd64 systems.  5 arm platforms don't generate enough heat.
[19:53] <Homefix1> rbelem my working image: has 0 and 1 in the dev/pts folder non working image has only a 0, how can i get the 1 in there ?
[19:55] <rbelem> Homefix1, brb
[20:01] <Homefix1> rbelem: k
[20:21] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: haha
[20:31] <rbelem> Homefix1, umount the current /dev/pts
[20:31]  * rsalveti eow, have a nice weekend
[20:31] <Homefix1> hold on.....
[20:31] <rbelem> Homefix1, go out of chroot
[20:31] <rbelem> Homefix1, mount -o bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev
[20:31] <rbelem> Homefix1, chroot again
[20:31] <rbelem> Homefix1, mount /dev/pts
[20:32] <Homefix1> gotta change imiges takes a sec
[20:32] <rbelem> Homefix1, check if it works
[20:32] <GrueMaster> omap4 image resize is failing on one of my 16G drives. Hmmm.
[20:33] <Homefix1> rbelem: manual unmount or take referance out of bootubuntu?
[20:33] <rbelem> Homefix1, go manual to see if it works
[20:33] <Homefix1> k
[20:34] <GrueMaster> ogra: jasper_growroot: export:  Line 57: /dev/mmcblkop: bad variable name
[20:35] <rsalveti> yup, same as mine
[20:37] <Homefix1> rbel: sorry for being a noooob upon "unmount /dev/pts" i get bash: unmount command not found
[20:48] <Homefix1> rbel sorry its umount
[20:59] <Homefix1> rbel im a knukle i dont know path to chroot is it in my scripts at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098
[21:10] <Homefix1> rbel could ya still help me im not a lost cause: i think it may work if i can figure out mount point and path to chroot how do i find out the location it must be in the scripts no?
[21:16] <Homefix1> Could this be the path to chroot "/data/local/ubuntu" ?
[21:55] <Homefix1> coul any one look at these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098" and tell me path to chroot? thnx
[23:05] <sveinse> Any of you happen to know an easy way of downloading the armel debs and its dependencies for, say, ubuntu-minimal -- preferably downloaded from host (i.e. non armel machine)
[23:08] <sveinse> one way I can think of is --copy-package-cache in rootstock, but I'd hoped it could be done more, uhm, natively


[00:00] <AlanBell> lol
[00:19] <OmNomDePlume> AlanBell, my Welsh friend.
[00:19] <OmNomDePlume> Are you following the snooker?
[00:23] <ali1234> why does vlc have an indicator?
[00:24] <ali1234> and when they were designing it, why did they think it would be a good idea to include a control for playback speed?
[00:54] <gord> i would assume vlc has an indicator because it had a system tray icon
[02:38] <AlanBell> well I think I have stayed up long enough now
[02:55]  * Laney phases back in
[06:45] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> howdy, Knightwise
[06:57] <popey>   morning
[06:57] <MartijnVdS> evening popey
[07:03] <Knightwise> popey: Can i book you for an interview on a wednesday evening ?
[07:03] <Knightwise> I've been chasing and staling you for quite some time :p
[07:03] <Knightwise> hey MartijnVdS good morning
[07:11] <popey> Knightwise: hey, tricky, i am in oakland, so evening for you is daytime for me
[07:28] <Knightwise> i was thinking somewhere wednesday , in two weeks ,
[07:28] <popey> oh sorry
[07:29] <popey> thought you meant this wednesday
[07:29] <popey> sure
[07:29] <popey> and now bed
[07:29] <Knightwise> how about :  Sunday the 13th at 9am
[07:29] <Knightwise> OR
[07:30] <Knightwise> Wednesday the 23rd between 1900 and 2200 hours (i'm gmt plus 1)
[09:17] <mattt> morning
[09:20] <mattt> pretty interesting blog post: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/05/05/python-faq-webdev/
[09:35] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:43] <jacobw> good morning brobostigon
[09:43] <brobostigon> good morning jacobw
[09:45]  * jacobw is digesting this week's political occurances
[09:45] <brobostigon> the start of the con-dem downfall, yes.
[09:46] <jacobw> i was distressed by seeing a link of google news to a telegraph article entitled 'how boris johnson could become to next conservative prime minister'
[09:47] <brobostigon> that would be funny, him pm.
[09:47] <SuperEngineer> or as Mark Shuttlewoth said: "We know that we are sort of dancing naked through a minefield and there are much bigger institutions driving tanks through,"
[09:47] <jacobw> i was like, 'what?! i've been out of the UK for a few days, what's happening?!'
[09:47] <tsimpson> boris would never become PM, we only take a joke so far ;)
[09:48] <jacobw> hehe
[09:48] <brobostigon> yeah :)
[10:27] <mattt> that'd be downright scary :(
[10:27] <mattt> boris being PM is a bit like GWB being president
[10:27] <mattt> and no one needs to see that again
[10:32] <jacobw> it would be embarrassing
[10:45] <gordonjcp> how do I get the thing that lets me enter a path up, in the file viewer in 12.04?
[10:54] <ali1234> press ctrl-l
[10:55] <gordonjcp> ali1234: ah, thanks
[10:55] <gordonjcp> it's annoying that the thing on the toolbar is gone
[11:41] <jacobw> quantal
[11:41] <jacobw> i like it
[11:49] <AlanBell> morning all
[12:17] <Flashtek> what an annoying buglet that was..
[12:18] <Flashtek> kernel issue stopped my WiFi from working... which meant I was unable to upgrade the kernel via WiFi to fix the problem to get WiFi working to upgrade to fix the problem to......
[12:18] <Flashtek> good job I have ethernet available on this laptop too...
[12:56] <maddog320> hello
[13:01] <Flashtek> hey maddog320
[13:02] <ali1234> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=e4bfd2ff060b89b2b7119bcb6a5c6bfb02815601
[13:03] <ali1234> considering that was only fixed yesterday, why can't i reproduce it in ubuntu?
[13:11] <maddog320> hi all
[13:18] <gordonjcp> christel: happy birthday, btw!
[13:35] <Neoti_Laptop> hello all.... been a while.. hows peeps
[14:03]  * SuperEngineer  breathes deep sigh of relief -after yonks of me asking "why not" - my sister has just "converted" her netbook to Ubuntu
[14:04] <SuperEngineer>  ...next stop -the desktop pooter
[14:04]  * SuperEngineer develops evil plan
[15:19] <SuperEngineer> ssshhhhhh .... gosh - the channel is quiet today
[15:21]  * dogmatic69 bangs some pots
[15:21]  * DJones lets off the fire alarm.... Everybody out
[15:22] <SuperEngineer> run! oops - sorry - walk calmly to nearest exit
[15:24] <SuperEngineer> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17916879   BBC short interview with Mark Shuttleworth - good reading
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> but don't read it till you've calmly waled to nearest exit & left the building
[15:58] <currymonster> Anybody know how to change default boot entry in grub?
[16:10] <popey> morning
[16:13] <tombrough> pre grub 2 default =
[16:13] <tombrough> post grub 2 set default =
[16:13] <currymonster> tombrough: where do i find the config file?
[16:13] <tombrough> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:14] <currymonster> cheers
[16:14] <tombrough> if its ubuntu
[16:14] <currymonster> yup it's ubuntu
[16:14] <tombrough> good luck ;-)
[16:15] <currymonster> ty
[16:19] <currymonster> damm i cant figure it out
[16:20] <currymonster> unless
[16:21] <DJones> currymonster: I've not used this, just found it be searching, but sounds a fair bit simpler https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StartUpManager
[16:21] <currymonster> DJones: thanks, i'll try that
[16:22] <DJones> I can't seem to find it for 12.04 though
[16:23] <yothsoggoth> Perhaps this will be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Configuring_GRUB_2
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> DJones: I used to use StartUpmanager a lobng time ago - till I found [the hard way] what happens when the original option you chose changed to a different image - system fail -reinstal grub from live Cd needed
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> *long
[16:26] <DJones> SuperEngineer: From what I can see, it went out of fashion when grub1 went of fashion
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> DJones: it certainly is out of fashion... I'm glad.
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> but grub is still cool
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> disclaimer - "other boot managers are available"
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> guffaw
[16:29] <Flashtek> tombrough = the tombrough I know from  #DCLUG ?
[16:29]  * SuperEngineer is glad to hear it's not in 12.04 repsitory
[16:31] <currymonster> brb
[16:38] <jacobw> lilo is really old now
[16:39] <moreati> but it's heavily patched, so it doesn't leak
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> How to regain control of the panel's notification area in 12.04 http://imagebin.org/211313  ;)
[16:48] <jacobw> yes, there's a whitelist of applications that can display system tray icons
[16:49] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: [no white list needed] just dconf editor and 5 taps of a keyboeard ;)
[16:52] <jacobw> systray-whitelist ['update-notifier','foo','bar']
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> dconf editor 'all'
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> simples
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> 'all' being added to correct key of course
[16:54] <jacobw> yus
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... found a new bug in bug in 12.04 screen display - I can see it walking across screen now - its got wings as well!
[16:59] <SuperEngineer> new bug fixing method - blow at bug - it flies away ;)
[17:00] <penguin42> ah yes, a mobile ,
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> cruel tricks time [popy's away in USA]... you post a single liner that says....
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> OMG - Minecraft's been bought by Microsoft  and closed down!
[17:06]  * SuperEngineer sniggers
[17:07] <penguin42> OMG - Rhythmbox in QQ only plays Jonathan Cage
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> [yeh, cruel I know]
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> Google has blacklisted Mark Shuttleworth!
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> [or is that just too cruel for a popey to read when jetlag goes]
[17:09] <penguin42> hehe
[17:10] <DJones> popey: Like the photo you posted of a Quetzal on twitter
[17:11] <SuperEngineer> http://twitter.com/popey/status/199183386512850944/photo/1
[17:12] <DJones> And for all you Pi fans http://themagpi.wordpress.com/ popey TheOpenSourcerer  etc
[17:15] <SuperEngineer> And for allyou fans of good quotes [MarkShuttleworth in BBC News interview]....
[17:15] <SuperEngineer> We know that we are sort of dancing naked through a minefield and there are much bigger institutions driving tanks through”
[17:15] <DJones> SuperEngineer: I thought that was a wonderful line
[17:16]  * SuperEngineer goes looking for a minefield - feels like doing some naked dancing
[17:16]  * DJones passes the mind bleach around
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:45] <arsen> here's an interesting one - anyone have any experience of setting up a webcam security system? like one or two webcams, hooked up to some simple ubuntu box, rsyncing images to a web server every min or something?
[17:47] <DJones> arsen: I set up a live webcam using "motion" a few years back, that worked reasonably well, I didn't do any syncing to a webserver, but I hgad access via a web browser
[17:48] <DJones> !mn Star Wars - [The Clone Wars - Secret Missions 01] - Breakout Squad, by Ryder Windham (epub).rar
[17:48] <DJones> !mn Star Wars - [The Clone Wars - Secret Missions 02] - Curse of the Black Hole Pirates, by Ryder Windham (epub).rarUgh
[17:48] <DJones> arsen: There's also this that may help http://popey.com/blog/2010/12/20/my-ubuntu-webcam-setup/
[17:49] <arsen> DJones   - yeah i read something about that
[17:49] <arsen> oh cool.
[17:49] <DJones> Thats the right cut & paste
[17:49] <arsen> basically my parents are building a house, i fancied setting up a webcam to do security on site, and also for later on to do a timelapse video :)
[17:49] <arsen> the site has internet, which is abnormal, so i figure some small machine (pogoplug or something?) plus a webcam or two, and rsync to my webserver for watching! :)
[17:51] <DJones> Sounds an interesting project
[17:51] <arsen> yeah, figure it could be fun
[17:52] <arsen> there's a site office (a little pikey trailer..) with internet, gona see what i can whip up, get it setup and running and courier it to them to plug and go!
[17:53] <DJones> Heh, sombody will probably point the camera in the onsite toilet :)
[17:53] <arsen> likely.
[17:53] <arsen> gona get two, one facing the house so i can get criminals and a timelapse of the house going up
[17:54] <arsen> and one of the entrance :d
[17:54] <arsen> be nice if i can goto the house's website and view its progress too.
[18:10] <arsen> looks like popey has done exactly what i was aiming for.
[18:11] <arsen> could probably add an rsync / cron delete to clean up archived and ensure it's backed up elsewhere.
[18:13] <arsen> so now i need some hardware!
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> the answer is not always in the bottom of a beer glass - sometimes it is! - drink plenty - you will eventually find that glass with the answer at the bottom ;-)
[18:35] <arsen> so a dreamplug and logitech c910 :D
[18:35] <arsen> sounds cool.
[18:35] <arsen> dreamplug is awesome, can deffo see some uses for that afterwards!
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> ...but a Ubuntu glass is likely to have that answer at the bottomm of the 1st glass ;0
[19:17] <awilkins> Anyone else already getting flash content that refuses to play on the latest available Flash player?
[19:18] <penguin42> haven't seen any, but most of mine is youtube
[19:20] <DJones> awilkins: have you got an example website
[19:20] <awilkins> https://drive.google.com/start#home
[19:21] <awilkins> I also keep getting pages on the register downloading the SWF files instead of playing ads
[19:21] <DJones> That works for me
[19:21] <awilkins> Hmm.
[19:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> And me.
[19:21] <penguin42> fine here
[19:21] <awilkins> Ok, something is up then
[19:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Evening all vtw
[19:21] <penguin42> hmm, but is that using Flash for me?
[19:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\v\b
[19:22] <penguin42> I'm not getting any right click menu on that
[19:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am.
[19:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Says about Flash Player <IP_ADDRESS>...
[19:23] <DJones> I don't get a right click menu when in Chromium
[19:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer is using Firefox
[19:24]  * penguin42 is using Chromium
[19:24] <DJones> switching to firefox gives me the same right click menu
[19:24] <penguin42> I suspect it's using HTML5 rather than Flash
[19:24] <DJones> But version <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:25] <penguin42> yeh, same version here in ff
[19:26] <DJones> I think I had an update earlier today
[20:00] <SuperEngineer> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[20:05] <SuperEngineer> Dear BBC Weather feed site: you cannot convince me it is currently: Sunday at 19:00 BST: sunny. 10°C (50°F).... I win - you loose
[20:06] <DJones> Somewhere it'll be 10C and 1900 BST
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> ..but 24 hrs ahead?!
[20:10]  * SuperEngineer is pretending it's stll Saturday btw
[20:10] <Monotoko> it's okay, bank holiday tomorrow!
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> ...but either way way- it aain't 19:00 - unless t'internet has *really* slowed down
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> Monotoko: if it's still Saturday - how can the bank hol be tomorrow?
[20:13]  * SuperEngineer still wants it to still be yesterday
[20:14] <SuperEngineer> [makes the weekend last longer]
[20:14] <mattt> SuperEngineer: what are you on about
[20:14] <Monotoko> SuperEngineer, ahhh fair point ;)
[20:15] <Monotoko> I once had a bug where my computer told me it was 105:30
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> ...I'm gauging a "response" as to what might happen if, on Tuesady a.m., I decided to stay in bed & convince the boss that -he- is wrong, not me ;)
[20:16] <mattt> like that advert
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> ...&so far - sounds promising
[20:17] <mattt> where they weird the boss out, and send him home
[20:17] <SuperEngineer> you got it!
[20:19] <Monotoko> Tell no-one to turn up... then when he rings "You woke me up! This better be good, I'm having my Sunday morning lie in"
[20:20] <SuperEngineer> Monotoko: [anyone got a horse custume & near boss's addess? - that would do it!]
[20:25] <SuperEngineer> ooo - well I never - just checked calendar & it's actually *Friday* evening
[20:25]  * SuperEngineer wondewrs if that might be pushing luck too far... ;)
[20:44] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: You don't have the password to your ntp server do you?
[20:44] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:54] <penguin42> oops: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/apple-security-blunder-exposes-lion-login-passwords-in-clear-text/11963
[20:56] <bigcalm> !ccm
[20:56] <bigcalm> !cmm
[20:56] <bigcalm> :|
[20:57] <Monotoko> penguin42, you read HN? :P
[20:58] <DJones> bigcalm: Which one are you looking for
[20:59] <DJones>  !ccsm only has an extra "s"
[20:59] <penguin42> Monotoko: No, that one came via /.
[21:00] <Monotoko> penguin42, ahhh... it's at the top of HN at the moment as well XD
[21:00] <bigcalm> Ta
[21:01] <bigcalm> !ccsm
[21:01] <bigcalm> I need more than 4 workspaces
[21:01]  * penguin42 always runs with 9
[21:01] <bigcalm> I was told to look at that
[21:01] <DJones> http://askubuntu.com/questions/34572/how-can-i-reduce-or-increase-the-number-of-workspaces-in-unity
[21:04] <SuperEngineer> on the assumption that tomorrow is Saturay ;
[21:05] <SuperEngineer> 0 - i'll see yuz all tommorrow :0
[21:05] <SuperEngineer> bfn
[21:05] <DJones> bigcalm: That myunity does the job very simply
[21:10] <bigcalm> DJones: just installed, worked a treat. Thanks :)
[21:10] <DJones> You're welcome
[21:14] <ali1234> linking to arch linux documentation on ask ubuntu questions... lol
[21:25] <awilkins> Ugh, Ralink driver code is rubbish
[21:25] <awilkins> "if this, then do thing x. else, also do thing x"
[21:25]  * awilkins slaps ralink with a wet haddock
[21:31] <MooDoo> evening all
[22:19] <miky0870> mythtv-users


[00:43] <magic_ninja> will kubuntu be forcing everyone to use snaps?
[00:58] <OerHeks> magic_ninja, no. but 3rd party developers might.
[00:59] <magic_ninja> I saw it was included in apt. Is it just a conscious choice? As in we select what we prefer to install?
[01:01] <OerHeks> no, not in apt. snaps are available in softwarecenter / muon
[01:27] <magic_ninja> what is this I keep hearing about ubuntu 19.10 using apt as a frontend for snap
[01:28] <magic_ninja> I'm referencing this video in particular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-5EJ4PrV9I
[01:34] <magic_ninja> Here is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMPTp4Hjbhg
[01:37] <OerHeks> not watching that.
[01:38] <OerHeks> snap install <package>   vs apt install <package> ...
[01:38] <OerHeks> you can easily find that, so i guess you waste your time on that youtube
[01:38] <OerHeks> digital waste is bad
[04:19] <magic_ninja> OerHeks, I don't believe I did. The point is about apt installing snaps as opposed to installing repository packages.
[04:20] <magic_ninja> to wit: apt install <package> installing a snap and not a .deb package.
[04:36] <OerHeks> no, it gives a suggestion https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wHHptjwxQh/
[05:02] <valorie> I would assume that someone was willing to make a snap but that nobody in Debian or Ubuntu was willing to package spotify
[05:04] <OerHeks> my best bet: independant updates, snap and apt are seperate
[06:27] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:48] <arash> Hi
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 Does anybody know how to connect a mobile modem  (Nokia C7 phone) to use the internet on it to connect the PC to the internet? Have tried multiple times & it hadn't worked.I know it's possible as I have Kubuntu on my old laptop before it broke & was able to connect my phone & use the exact same phone as a modem.Thanks!
[15:47] <viewer|11> hi guys, please help me out
[15:48] <viewer|11> I wanted to switch driver for touchpad on kubuntu 18.04 to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[15:48] <viewer|11> and it complained something about missing xserver-xorg-core
[15:49] <viewer|11> so I installed core first, then synaptics
[15:49] <viewer|11> rebooted and I'm thrown in terminal
[15:50] <viewer|11> it doesn't boot to xorg anymore, do you have some links I should read?
[15:51] <diogenes_> viewer|11, look for any xorg.confs in /etc/X11 and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[15:56] <viewer|11> diogenes_ I don't see xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[15:56] <viewer|11> I don't see xorg.conf.d folder neither
[15:57] <diogenes_> viewer|11, then remove the conflicting packages.
[16:06] <viewer|11> diogenes_ did sudo apt purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[16:06] <viewer|11> rebooted and still no .conf files in X11
[16:06] <diogenes_> and core?
[16:07] <viewer|11> if I want to remove xserver-xorg-core it wants to delete nvidia-340 also
[16:07] <viewer|11> I guess I'll try anyway
[16:08] <diogenes_> then don't.
[16:08] <viewer|11> ok
[16:08] <diogenes_> reboot
[16:09] <viewer|11> does it matter if I'm using "tty1" or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ?
[16:09] <viewer|11> OK rebooted
[16:09] <diogenes_> doesn't matter.
[16:13] <viewer|11> diogenes_ I'm still thrown in tty1
[16:13] <viewer|11> after reboot
[16:14] <diogenes_> ls /usr/share/xsessions/
[16:14] <diogenes_> what do you get?
[16:21] <viewer|11> diogenes_ plasma.desktop is inside
[16:22] <diogenes_> viewer|11, cat /usr/share/xsessions/plasma.desktop | grep Exec
[16:22] <diogenes_> paste here what you get.
[16:23] <viewer|11> diogenes_ Exec=/usr/bin/startkde
[16:23] <viewer|11> and
[16:23] <viewer|11> TryExec=/usr/bin/startkde
[16:23] <diogenes_> ok now run: startkde
[16:23] <diogenes_> and see what errors you are getting
[16:23] <diogenes_> and where it gets stuck.
[16:25] <viewer|11> diogenes_ $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server
[16:26] <diogenes_> viewer|11, run: sudo systemctl restart sddm
[16:29] <viewer|11> diogenes_ it returns nothing
[16:29] <diogenes_> viewer|11, now: export DISPLAY=:0.0
[16:30] <diogenes_> then: startkde
[16:31] <viewer|11> diogenes_ again returns $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server
[16:33] <diogenes_> viewer|11, echo $DISPLAY
[16:33] <diogenes_> what does it say?
[16:34] <viewer|11> diogenes_ :0.0
[16:36] <diogenes_> viewer|11, ok i have to go now for awhile, emanwhile you can try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop plasma-desktop plasma-desktop-data sddm xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-intel && sudo dpkg-reconfigure sddm
[16:36] <diogenes_> reboot fterwards
[16:36] <viewer|11> diogenes_ I'll try, thank you very much for your effort
[16:37] <diogenes_> you'ew welcome
 🇩🇪 Happy German Reunification Day everybody! 🇩🇪
 Sup
[17:10] <user|65654> Hello and good evening, I'm having system freezes on Kubuntu 18.04.3 LTS. Almost always when using Firefox. The system becomes completly unresponsive. Can someone help me to identify the cause?
[17:11] <diogenes_> user|65654, how much ram?
[17:11] <user|65654> 32 GiB
[17:12] <diogenes_> user|65654, inxi -f
[17:12] <diogenes_> pastebin
[17:12] <diogenes_> sorry inxi -F
[17:14] <user|65654> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H8yPcrq6d6/
[17:19] <diogenes_> user|65654, in ff about:config try layers.acceleration.force true and restart ff.
[17:23] <user|65654> done
[17:23] <diogenes_> see if you get any improvements.
[17:26] <user|65654> Thank you. I'll try the website that crashed the system. But the freezes feel random, so it might take time. (I'm saving /var/log after each freeze)
[18:00] <tomreyn> user|65654: this is how you can reboot without loosing data that's still in the write cache, and with closing the file systems properly so the system does not need to run a file system check on reboot:
[18:00] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[18:01] <tomreyn> Actually just S, U, B, because R, E, I are ignored on Ubuntu.
[18:02] <user|65654> I'll try that. I've noticed that the nic goes down too.
[19:05] <viewer|11> diogenes_ I'll try, thank you very much for
[19:05] <viewer|11> diogenes_ sorry
[19:06] <viewer|11> diogenes_ sudo apt-get install --reinstall ... && sudo dpkg-reconfigure ... worked
[19:06] <viewer|11> I can get in plasma back


[00:24] <lilkuz85> hey guys i have a question...i really need help with this, ive downloaded a copy of xubuntu for the xbox1 console, the keyboard layout is for german i think, is there any way to change this to USA ???
[00:35] <jason> lilkuz: I can give it a shot. Click Applications-->System-->Language Support
[00:37] <jason> then in the drop down menu, click on English (or maybe Inglish) United States
[00:38] <jason> then click OK, and restart your computer
[00:44] <lilkuz85> jason thanks for the help but i think i need to edit this "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" and save it
[01:00] <happy-dude> hiya, I have an issue: Swiftweasel will not execute on my computer: http://ompolicy.altervista.org/ubuntu/index.php?dir=intrepid/&file=swiftweasel-3.0.8-intel-pgo_x86_ubuntu.deb
[01:10] <Ragor> Is there a place with all the old versions of xubuntu?
[01:17] <batcoder-7> anyone here ever use anything like expose for linux that works well with xfce?
[01:50] <crugg> I am having trouble installing a logitech webcam to use for skype on xubuntu
[01:51] <crugg> anyone have a solution?
[02:46] <BigMoopies> Hello, when I just booted I got a "routine check of drives /dev/sda5" , is this like a chkdsk ? /dev/sda5 I believe is my NTFS partition for WindowsXP
[02:47] <TheSheep> it is like chkdsk, but it shouldn't be running on windows partitions
[02:47] <BigMoopies> yeah, skip  that.  It isn't
[02:47] <BigMoopies> (the windows partition )
[02:47] <BigMoopies> TheSheep, Was it needed? I skipped it.
[02:48] <TheSheep> it's good to do it once in a while, especially after hard reboots or poweroffs
[02:48] <BigMoopies> TheSheep, How do I do it manually ?
[02:48] <TheSheep> if you skipped it, it will be done on next boot, afaik
[02:48] <TheSheep> !fsck | BigMoopies
[02:49] <BigMoopies> er wrong window closed, can you try that again
[02:50] <BigMoopies> !fsk ?
[02:51] <TheSheep> !fsck | BigMoopies
[02:52] <BigMoopies> I might as well do it now.  I am gonna be watching WWE for 2 hours
[03:03] <Kangarooo> pyneighboorhood and gigolo is not helping to connect to network neighborhood
[03:04] <Kangarooo> is there any easyer programm with witch i can connect to network neighborhood?
[03:36] <bytor4232> Jaunty most certainly did break my system!
[03:42] <bytor4232> Luckily you guys delivered a solid Beta in Xubuntu.  So far other than a race on the CPU when I change the LCD brightness, its top notch.
[04:11] <Kangarooo> is there autmated programm to see all my partitions and all network neighorhood computers? on laptop xubuntu?
[04:12] <Kangarooo> pyneighboorhood and gigolo are bad becouse not automated and manually is not helping to connect to network neighborhood or not working..
[04:20] <zoredache> what do you mean automated?
[04:20] <Kangarooo> well that i only put mount like in ubuntu
[04:21] <Kangarooo> ubuntu i can mount and see windows shares but xubuntu cant..
[04:22] <Kangarooo> automated like i just want to enable share and i see all shares of others and enable mount partition
[04:23] <gaurdro> does anyone know if there is a way to manually set the fanspeed on a gateway laptop with xubuntu 8.10?
[04:24] <zoredache> Kangarooo: fusesmb will work somewhat for accessing SMB shares
[04:25] <zoredache> for it to work you have to store your passwords in a file on the hard drive...
[04:25] <zoredache> There is nothing, that is going to deal with both accessing network shares, and local disks...
[04:49] <Kangarooo> zoredache: i installed but still- what next?
[04:50] <zoredache> !fusesmb
[08:10] <kaveh> guys
[08:33] <SiDi> hi
[10:03] <moodog> morning :)
[10:03] <Slonkie> mornign
[10:03] <Slonkie> morning
[10:47] <Slonkie> What mediaplayer do you guys use? kinda having trouble finding one which i like :/
[10:51] <knome> Slonkie, listen
[11:16] <zoredache> vlc
[12:08] <ian_> Anyone out there help me make network manager icon appear on my desktop.
[13:08] <Slonkie> Anyone know how to make java work in firefox in 9.04?
[13:40] <olegb> Slonkie, install the sun-java6-plugin ?
[13:40] <Slonkie> i did but apperantly not working
[13:40] <olegb> works here =)
[13:45] <Slonkie> the plugin doesn't even show up in firefox :/
[14:03] <Slonkie> What do i do if a cat. in Applications disappears ?
[14:04] <Slonkie> It's "Others" which seems to disappear sometimes :S
[14:33] <Ruadh> hi
[14:34] <Slonkie> Hi Ruadh
[14:35] <Ruadh> Slonkie, how's things?
[14:35] <Slonkie> good i guess
[14:35] <Ruadh> me too
[14:35] <Ruadh> :)
[14:35] <Slonkie> experiencing miner bugs
[14:35] <Slonkie> minor*
[14:35] <Ruadh> Where?
[14:36] <Slonkie> well. in application for instance.. the cat "Others" just disappears sometimes
[14:36] <Ruadh> I suppose there will be wee bugs for some time
[14:36] <Slonkie> then i logout and login and it's back there
[14:37] <Ruadh> Slonkie, have you sent any bug reports?
[14:38] <Slonkie> 2
[14:38] <Ruadh> good
[14:38] <Ruadh> I've sent 1
[14:38] <Ruadh> They'll soon get ironed out
[14:38] <Slonkie> :P
[14:39] <vinnl> ...which reminds me - maybe I'll have to try and see whether the bug that prevents me from installing 9.04 has disappeared
[14:39] <Ruadh> Slonkie, Have you tried Debian?
[14:39] <Slonkie> I'm running debian on an external server of mine
[14:40] <Slonkie> Never tried it with an interface
[14:40] <Ruadh> I have debian runing on my win xp machine
[14:40] <Ruadh> Its a good distro
[14:42] <Slonkie> a bit harder than xubuntu/ubuntu i've been told
[14:43] <Ruadh> Ubuntu is a good start for beginers
[14:45] <Ruadh> I started with suse 6.1
[14:45] <Ruadh> suse is far too resource hungry
[14:46] <Ruadh> today
[14:54] <Ruadh> later
[14:58] <Slonkie> does xubuntu 9.04 really come with built in madwifi drivers?
[15:02] <chewit> Slonkie, Yes
[15:02] <chewit> i;m using those drivers for my wifi card on my eee pc
[15:02] <Slonkie> That's really cool
[15:03] <chewit> 904 works out-of-the-box with the eee, shame the intel drivers are not rdy yet and the wifi on/off function key does not work
[15:54] <Ruadh> noo then
[17:18] <archman> hello
[17:18] <archman> Will 9,04 come with xfce 4.6?
[17:19] <vinnl> archman, yes
[17:19] <archman> hmm, does that means that I will find one on 8.10 reps? (I don't want to upgrade just to have 4.6)
[17:20] <vinnl> archman, nope... But you can install 4.6 on 8.10 already
[17:20] <archman> vinnl, I don't have it in reps...
[17:20] <archman> you mean via ppa?
[17:20] <vinnl> archman, yes, I'm looking it up
[17:21] <archman> I tried it
[17:21] <archman> All I got was a black screen. :-/
[17:21] <vinnl> But...?
[17:21] <vinnl> :S
[17:21] <archman> Hmm...
[17:21] <archman> Any thoughts?
[17:21] <vinnl> archman, which PPA did you use?
[17:21] <archman> Maybe I did something wrong...
[17:21] <archman> Can you tell me the name of the guy that does the packaging
[17:21] <archman> I'll recall then
[17:22] <archman> wait...i'm looking
[17:23] <archman> https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa/+build/890167
[17:23] <archman> vinnl ^
[17:23] <archman> this?
[17:23] <archman> I was trying this
[17:23] <archman> You?
[17:24] <archman> (I didn't install xubuntu, I'm ubuntu user, but switched to xfce4 recently)
[17:24] <vinnl> Yeah I guess that's the one, I thought it was also in the xubuntu-dev PPA but that's only an alpha release
[17:24] <archman> vinnl, so you're not using 4.6?
[17:24] <vinnl> archman, no, I  wanted to upgrade to 9.04 but it doesn't work :(
[17:25] <archman> shit...
[17:25] <vinnl> archman, you might ask the creator if he gets online on IRC, he is online in this channel now and then under the name 'jeromeg' :)
[17:25] <archman> awesome, thanks!
[17:26] <archman> vinnl, so you're still using 4.4.2 too?
[17:26] <archman> I read that there are some major improvements on 4.6 :-/
[17:26] <vinnl> Yeah and yeah :)
[17:27] <vinnl> I'd love to switch but the LiveCD doesn't work, unfortunately :(
[17:27] <archman> How come that livecd doesn't work ?!?
[17:27] <archman> beta jaunty?
[17:27] <vinnl> Yeah, it always freezes a few seconds after it's started up, with my Num Lock, Caps Lock and Scroll Lock lights flashing
[17:28] <archman> :D
[17:28] <vinnl> I just downloaded today's daily build and am going to try that, but I'm not expecting much improvement...
[17:28] <vinnl> I guess I'll do that now, and then dinner time, so... Bye :)
[17:28] <archman> bye! ;)
[17:28] <archman> thanks for chatting
[20:07] <kustom> hey guys im having a problem unmounting
[20:08] <knome> !ask | kustom
[20:08] <kustom> i get a window saying that an unknown error occures
[20:08] <kustom> *occured
[20:08] <charlie-tca> what are you unmounting?
[20:08] <kustom> and then the thing gets remounted
[20:08] <kustom> an ext-HDD
[20:09] <charlie-tca> has it got more than one partition?
[20:09] <kustom> also, relative drive names seem not to work, so i can unmount /media/disk through the console, but not disk if im in /media
[20:09] <kustom> no
[20:09] <kustom> its just a storage drive
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Try right-clicking it in Places, then click eject
[20:10] <charlie-tca> If you are in /media/disk, you are on the drive. It will not allow unmounting a drive you are accessing.
[20:11] <kustom> charlie-tca, im not in /media/disk
[20:11] <charlie-tca> It is a known issue on unmounting
[20:11] <kustom> could one switch to the ubuntu volume handler?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Sorry, read that wrong.
[20:11] <kustom> or will that fix the problem?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> I don't know that one.
[20:13] <charlie-tca> I know my usb drives, if I click unmount, it becomes an endless battle. If I click eject, it works
[20:13] <kustom> charlie-tca, damn, seems like my problem
[20:14] <charlie-tca> It is reported in launchpad
[20:14] <kustom> no soolution?
[20:15] <kustom> *solution
[20:15] <charlie-tca> none yet except to eject using terminal
[20:19] <Ragor> I need help with something really basic, I'm trying to compile a program but every time I type what's in the instructions to type, it's saying the file doesnt exist
[20:27] <kustom> how do i get more desktops, currently i have 2
[20:29] <Slonkie> in settings>Workspaces, kustom.
[20:30] <kustom> Slonkie, found it thx
[20:32] <vinnl> Ragor, have you tried right-clicking the file and allowing it to execute as a program?
[20:33] <Ragor> ...no
[20:34] <Ragor> it's a .tar.gz ...I have no clue what I'm doing
[20:34] <vinnl> Ragor, well, then perhaps it's not a good idea to compile stuff
[20:35] <Ragor> it says in the instructions that I have to in order to install it
[20:35] <Slonkie> you'll have to unpack it
[20:35] <vinnl> Ragor, yeah perhaps it's not a good idea to install stuff with an Ubuntu installation file?
[20:35] <vinnl> Ragor, which application is it?
[20:36] <Ragor> recordmydesktop
[20:36] <vinnl> Ragor, you can install that with Add/Remove...
[20:36] <Ragor> O.o really?
[20:36] <vinnl> Yeah
[20:36] <vinnl> Or if not definitely with Synaptic
[20:37] <vinnl> I'm away playing Hedgewars for a bit :)
[20:38] <Ragor> oh geez I dont even know how to do add/remove
[20:38] <Ragor> xubuntu is not easy -.-
[20:38] <Slonkie> xubuntu is very easy
[20:38] <vinnl> Ragor, Applications->System->Add/Remove...
[20:38] <vinnl> Well, there's a learning curve with every operating system :)
[20:38] <Ragor> I dont see add/remove under system
[20:39] <Slonkie> 9.04?
[20:39] <Ragor> 6.06
[20:39] <Slonkie> wow old one there :P
[20:39] <Ragor> newer versions arent compatible with my hard disk
[20:39] <zoredache> have you considered using something more recent?
[20:40] <Ragor> so I cant use more recent
[20:44] <vinnl> Ragor, that's odd... Well then you can use Synaptic Package Manager under System
[20:45] <Ragor> I don't see that either...
[20:45] <vinnl> What _do_ you see under System? 0.o
[20:47] <Brad450> how can i upgrade my kernel?
[20:48] <Brad450> without compiling?
[20:48] <vinnl> Brad450, why do you want to do that?
[20:48] <Brad450> vinnl, new version
[20:48] <vinnl> Brad450, yeah but why do you want *that*?
[20:49] <Brad450> vinnl, new support for my hardware
[20:49] <vinnl> Well, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until it lands in Ubuntu...
[20:51] <Brad450> vinnl, iam running on a Playstation 3 and there was a kernel update released specificly for my hardware allowing acces to WIFI and bluetooth, aswell as blu-ray playback
[20:52] <vinnl> It *might* be in the proposed repo, but I wouldn't count on it
[20:52] <Brad450> vinnl, i checked that lol its not. installing a new kernel is it like installing a package?
[20:53] <vinnl> If there is a package available :)
[20:54] <Brad450> vinnl, iam running 2.6.25-2-powerpc64-smp. can you do you know where i can find a newer version?
[20:55] <Brad450> ** erase can***
[20:55] <vinnl> Brad450, hmm... Which version of Xubuntu are you running?
[20:55] <Brad450> 8.10
[20:57] <Brad450> vinnl, iam in GNOME (ATM) GNOME - 2.24.1
[20:57] <Brad450> kernel - 2.6.25-2-powerpc64-smp
[20:58] <vinnl> Then why are you in #xubuntu? :P
[20:58] <Brad450> like you guys better lol
[20:58] <vinnl> :P
[20:58] <vinnl> !ps3
[20:58] <Brad450> too lazy to log out and start xfce
[20:58] <vinnl> !playstation
[20:59] <Ragor> I have synaptic package manager open now, I got it running through "run program"...but now I'm not sure what to do from there
[20:59] <Brad450> not much different from linux is basicly a 64 bit PPC
[20:59] <vinnl> Ragor, search for recordmydesktop-gtk
[21:00] <vinnl> Ragor, I mean gtk-recordmydesktop
[21:00] <vinnl> Brad450, have you checked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPS3?
[21:00] <Brad450> yes
[21:01] <vinnl> Brad450, and the #ubuntu-ps3 channel?
[21:01] <Brad450> ya
[21:01] <vinnl> Cause I really wouldn't know how to do it, and I guess most of the people here don't
[21:02] <pleia2> yeah, getting a new kernel for the ps3 is outside of the scope of this channel, I'm afraid
[21:03] <jarnos> Where is update-notifier in Xubuntu. there is "Exec=update-notifier" in /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop, but ps aux tell's "update-notifier --sm-config-prefix /update-notifier-i3Z9ue/ --sm-client-id 117f000001000123660336600000081090005 --screen 0" is running.
[21:03] <Ragor> I dont see it, even through the search option
[21:05] <vinnl> Ragor, perhaps you first need to click Reload? (Also, I'm getting a creepy feeling that your installation is somehow messed up...)
[21:08] <Ragor> it still didnt show up after reload
[21:09] <vinnl> And if you just Search for recordmydesktop?
[21:09] <Ragor> still nothing
[21:11] <vinnl> Hmm... Version 6.06 is a long time ago for me, but I'm guessing some repositories aren't enabled or something...
[21:12] <vinnl> Ragor, ah, Isee
[21:12] <vinnl> recordmydesktop *wasn't* available for 6.06
[21:12] <vinnl> However, you can try whether the packages from 6.10 work
[21:13] <Ragor> ...
[21:13] <vinnl> Ragor, can you try downloading these two files? http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/i386/recordmydesktop/download http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/all/gtk-recordmydesktop/download
[21:15] <Ragor> ok
[21:18] <Ragor> then just look for it in synaptic package manager?
[21:20] <vinnl> Ragor, no, then double-click it, I believe that was already possible in 6.06
[21:21] <diavol0> Hello
[21:21] <vinnl> (Damn that's old...)
[21:21] <vinnl> !hi
[21:22] <Ragor> ok it says error, dependency not satisfiable: libasound2
[21:24] <vinnl> Ragor, then you can try to also install this file, if that doesn't work then I'm afraid you're out of luck: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/i386/libasound2/download
[21:29] <Ragor> it says sependency is not satisfiable: libc6  =s
[21:30] <vinnl> Then you're out of luck :S
[21:31] <Ragor> so theres no screen capturing thats gonna work on the computer? =/
[21:32] <vinnl> Ragor, I see the package 'istanbul' is available for 6.06
[21:33] <Ragor> ok I'll search for it
[21:47] <Ragor> I think it's working right now, thanks for all the help
[21:47] <vinnl> \o/
[23:13] <tortaman> Im mounting a GEEXBOX thin client server using  xubuntu, all other stuff is working great but nfs shares is the weak point on this
[23:14] <tortaman> additional info: ***************************************
[23:14] <tortaman> cat /etc/exports
[23:14] <tortaman> /var/lib/tftpboot/GEEXBOX	<IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>(ro)
[23:14] <tortaman> ****************************************************************************************
[23:14] <tortaman> cat /etc/hosts.allow
[23:14] <tortaman> ALL: ALL
[23:14] <tortaman> ******************************************
[23:14] <tortaman> sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[23:14] <tortaman>  * Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...                               exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "<IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>:/var/lib/tftpboot/GEEXBOX".
[23:14] <tortaman>   Assuming default behaviour ('no_subtree_check').
[23:14] <tortaman>   NOTE: this default has changed since nfs-utils version 1.0.x
[23:14] <tortaman> exportfs: Warning: /var/lib/tftpboot/GEEXBOX requires fsid= for NFS export
[23:14] <tortaman>                                                                          [ OK ]
[23:14] <tortaman>  * Starting NFS kernel daemon                                            [ OK ]
[23:14] <tortaman> **********************************************
[23:14] <tortaman> sudo mount -t nfs localhost:/var/lib/tftpboot/GEEXBOX /mnt/sdc
[23:14] <vinnl> !pastebin
[23:14] <tortaman> mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting localhost:/var/lib/tftpboot/GEEXBOX
[23:14] <tortaman> ***********************************************
[23:14] <tortaman> tail /var/log/daemon.log
[23:14] <tortaman> Apr  5 21:59:33 ubuntu mountd[8187]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting.
[23:14] <tortaman> Apr  5 21:59:35 ubuntu exportfs[9489]: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "<IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>:/var/lib/tftpboot/GEEXBOX".   Assuming default behaviour ('no_subtree_check').   NOTE: this default has changed since nfs-utils version 1.0.x
[23:14] <tortaman> Apr  5 22:01:55 ubuntu mountd[9516]: mount request from unknown host <IP_ADDRESS> for /var/lib/tftpboot/GEEXBOX (/var/lib/tftpboot/GEEXBOX)
[23:15] <tortaman> *************************************************
[23:15] <tortaman> im sorry everything was pasted by mistake
[23:15] <vinnl> :(
[23:17] <tortaman> i thought that the real problem is this: requires fsid= for NFS export, any idea???
[23:20] <Flare183> !paste | tortaman
[23:20] <Flare183> Whoa
[23:26] <tortaman> ok
[23:26] <tortaman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/145176/
[23:34] <tortaman> im using virtual box for the tests, dhcp, tftp are working ok