[01:05] <stgraber> I really don't like my fix for bug 645449 but well ... unless we re-design half the thing I'm not sure how to make it work otherwise
[01:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 645449 in ubiquity "Ubiquity hangs at Keyboard layout if you use keyboard to navigate / select" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645449
[01:05] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/859938/
[01:07] <stgraber> from the 5 minutes of testing it went through here, I couldn't get it to hang and unless something goes terribly wrong in the debconf code, it "shouldn't" be possible with that change
[01:07] <stgraber> though it has the side effect of making everything 600ms slower (even when clicking)
[01:09] <stgraber> as for some reason gtk doesn't give a way of knowning whether the selection change because of a click or because of a keypress...
[01:10] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5219 ubiquity/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-console-setup.py: Workaround for bug 645449, delay any action on the keyboard list by 600ms (resetting with any further action) and lock the dialog so that no event can be emitted/received while waiting on dbfilter.
[01:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 645449 in ubiquity "Ubiquity hangs at Keyboard layout if you use keyboard to navigate / select" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645449
[01:14] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5220 ubiquity/debian/changelog: Update changelog
[01:16] <stgraber> maybe Colin will find a nice and clean way of fixing that one ...
[01:22] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5221 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): releasing version 2.9.22
[03:47] <antarus> so...
[03:47] <antarus> ubiquity plugins
[03:47]  * antarus wonders how horrifying this will end up
[03:50] <antarus> The python plugins for ubiquity, they run in the same process space as the Ubiquity installer right; no crazy magic to run them separately?
[14:57] <stgraber> jibel: any interesting ubiquity bugs for me or do we have a working installer at the moment?
[14:59] <jibel> stgraber, hello, there is still this keyboard layout problem. the user selects French for example and the layout is set to 'us' in the live session
[15:00] <jibel> stgraber, I also reported bug 942560 but I think it's not beta1 critical
[15:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 942560 in ubiquity "keyboard layout screen - Keyboard navigation broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942560
[15:01] <stgraber> doh, 942560 sounds like me breaking it with another fix
[15:02] <stgraber> jibel: right, that's a bug introduce with the fix for bug 645449
[15:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 645449 in ubiquity "Ubiquity hangs at Keyboard layout if you use keyboard to navigate / select" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645449
[15:03] <stgraber> I'm actually surprised you managed to break it, loosing focus can happen and is a side effect of the fix, but I thought I caught all the cases where it remains locked ...
[15:03] <jibel> well maybe the bug was there hidden somewhere
[15:29] <stgraber> jibel: well, my fix isn't really a fix, it's a workaround to avoid an existing race condition
[15:30] <stgraber> jibel: in the past you'd hit it all the time by moving quickly through the menu, looks like my fix now made the "quickly" part work but if you do it slowly it can still happen ...
[15:34] <jibel> even if it is not fixed, I find the current situation better
[15:37] <stgraber> yeah, I'll have a look later if I can reproduce the issue (should be easy now that I know I just need to go slowly) and see if I can make it a bit better
[16:38] <bdmurray> stgraber: in case you didn't notice ubiquity bug descriptions now have an installcmdline in them
[18:06] <stgraber> bdmurray: cool
[18:06] <stgraber> jibel: I managed to get the list locked even when clicking (by selecting a variant), that's definitely wrong ... I'll have another look at that code then
[21:09] <stgraber> bdmurray: bug 912031 - last comment sounds weird, why would the crash repporter (apport I guess) send them to a fixed bug?
[21:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 912031 in partman-auto "ubiquity crashed with TypeError in partman_column_name(): argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912031
[21:11] <bdmurray> stgraber: looking
[21:14] <bdmurray> stgraber: a bug pattern would do it but there isn't none
[21:17] <bdmurray> stgraber: the traceback is exactly the same and whoopsie, I think, does some new duplicate detection
[21:17] <stgraber> yeah, I think that's the issue here, multiple bugs giving the exact same stacktrace ...
[21:18] <bdmurray> oh, this explains something too
[21:18] <bdmurray> Feb 23 21:06:30 ubuntu ubiquity:   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/apport/ui.py", line 934, in open_url
[21:18] <bdmurray> Feb 23 21:06:30 ubuntu ubiquity:     os.setgroups([gid])
[21:18] <bdmurray> Feb 23 21:06:30 ubuntu ubiquity: OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
[21:23] <stgraber> jibel: around?
[21:24] <stgraber> jibel: your bug about being able to select labels with tab, what exactly did you use to trigger that?
[21:25] <stgraber> jibel: I tried from ubiquity in OEM mode from a live session and can't reproduce
[21:27] <stgraber> (bug 942292)
[21:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 942292 in ubiquity "user setup / oem mode - labels receive focus with tab navigation" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942292
[21:27] <jibel> stgraber, I don't know actually. I'm unable to reproduce it.
[21:28] <bdmurray> I thought I saw that with the screen reader enabled but that actually makes sense right?
[21:28] <stgraber> yeah, for the screenreader that'd make sense as it needs it
[21:28] <stgraber> otherwise you couldn't read the labels (that's my understanding at least, I never tested orca ...)
[21:29] <jibel> bdmurray, ah, you're probably right. let me try.
[21:29] <stgraber> if you had the accessibility stuff enabled, then it's not a bug, it's a feature ;)
[21:33] <jibel> indeed, then I don't know why the screen reader was enabled but that's another story and another PEBKAC
[21:34] <jibel> bdmurray, that was it, thanks!
[21:34] <bdmurray> no problem
[21:34] <bdmurray> I like bugs like that ;-)
[21:36] <jibel> although there is a bug, when the user navigates in reverse order with shift+tab the focus is blocked on the progress line "copying files" :)
[21:40] <stgraber> jibel: sounds like a gtk/accessibility bug though, I don't see any issue with shift+tab in regular mode
[21:43] <jibel> stgraber, sounds very low priority too, isn't it ?
[21:44] <stgraber> jibel: yeah, might be worth mentioning in bug 939450 so TheMuso is aware of it
[21:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 939450 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable in ubi-partman.py" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939450
[21:45] <stgraber> it's not imposible it's ubiquity's fault but it's more likely to be gtk/atk-bridge issue
[21:54] <bdmurray> stgraber: bug 942545 is a bit weird
[21:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 942545 in ubiquity "Ubiquity leaves a scrollbar on screen if you unmounted a partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942545
[21:55] <stgraber> bdmurray: really weird indeed
[22:07] <bdmurray> jibel: speaking of screen reader could you recreate bug 941094?  I can't.
[22:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 941094 in ubiquity "Installation crash in a11y mode when using screen reader" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941094
[22:09] <TheMuso> bug 941094 is a dup of bug 939450
[22:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 941094 in ubiquity "Installation crash in a11y mode when using screen reader" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941094
[22:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 939450 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable in ubi-partman.py" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939450
[22:11] <bdmurray> TheMuso: how so?
[22:21] <CarlFK> # or encrypted using an MD5 hash.; #d-i passwd/user-password-crypted password [MD5 hash]
[22:21] <CarlFK> whats the command to gen that?
[22:21] <CarlFK> doesn't seem to be md5sum
[22:22] <CarlFK> at least I can't recreate the pw I use to back into how I set it: passwd/user-password-crypted password $6$khprmotoVWYLZY2....
[22:23] <infinity> CarlFK: Well, for starters, $6$ denotes a sha512 password, not md5.
[22:24] <CarlFK> that would explain part of my probmle
[22:25] <CarlFK> echo mypw | sha512sum - still not it
[22:25] <infinity> No, because *sum != crypt(3).
[22:26] <infinity> In that crypt also salts hashes.
[22:26] <infinity> I'd suggest mkpasswd(1), but it seems to be in desperate need of updating to understand newer hashes. :P
[22:27] <infinity> But, if all else fails, create a throwaway user, set a password, copy the field from /etc/shadow, delete the user. :P
[22:28] <TheMuso> bdmurray: Sorry, was thinking of a different bug, and didn't read into that one to be sure.
[22:28] <TheMuso> bdmurray: Sorry, was thinking of a different bug, and didn't read into that one to be sure./c
[22:28] <CarlFK> infinity: I have this documented somewhere  ;/
[23:30] <CarlFK> preseed_carl.cfg:d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda
[23:31] <CarlFK> fails on some boxes that have a flash card reader which gets decteded first
[23:31] <CarlFK> is there some way to say "first drive fdisk finds" ?


[02:05] <Mazate> If I upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04, what is the likelihood of having any major issues?
[02:13] <michaelborgesD> hi
[03:04] <kyfella> I had been running 13.04 and now 13.10.  Not all the time, maybe once in a while after my machine has been sitting for a while, I come back to my computer and the x screen is completely hosed up with horiziontal lines running the whole way down the screen.  For the greatest majority of the time, my clarity of screen resolution is awesome, with the exception of when that happens.  Does anyone know of a KB on this issue?
[03:04] <kyfella> This is a fresh install of 13.10 64-Bit as of 2 weeks ago, just an FYI
[07:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:21] <Ede_k> Hi all
[08:23] <Ede_k> today I need to install kubuntu on my sisters notebook. I want to use 14.04 Beta 2.  When in some weeks the final version version will be released, my sister will just have to upgrade via the package manager, right?
[08:23] <alket> Ede_k: im not sure but i think it will be achieved only with regular updates
[08:24] <Ede_k> will there be any difference to a new installed kubuntu final at that time?
[08:25] <hateball> Ede_k: Nope, you can just go ahead and update normally
[08:25] <hateball> No reinstalls etc needed
[08:25] <Ede_k> OK, great! thank you for your time!
[08:26] <valorie> Ede_k: the freeze is on as of today, so the changes will be slight
[09:41] <clumsy> hi there! i need help with upgrading the linux-headers-generic package. I upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 pre-release and muon package manager gives me the message that i cannot upgrade this package in case of unmet dependencies. I checked in my software sources and found that there is only 13.10 sources.Does someone know where i can get the 14.04 sources?
[09:42] <lordievader> clumsy: Replace saucy with trusty in your sources.
[09:42] <clumsy> ok thanks i'll try it
[09:46] <harshi> hi.. i am have recently installed kubuntu 13.10 and i am trying to do sudo apt-get install <package-name> or even update.. i am getting following error: http://fpaste.org/93444/13972095/ .. but i have internet connection perfectly fine.. my source .lis file is this .. http://fpaste.org/93443/97209446/
[09:46] <harshi> please help me
[09:48] <lordievader> harshi: Does you network use ipv6 or ipv4?
[09:56] <Fikzter> Hi
[09:59] <clumsy> lordievader: thanks it worked perfectly!
[09:59] <lordievader> clumsy: :)
[10:18] <Fikzter> I have a question
[10:18] <Fikzter> I'm installing Kubuntu
[10:18] <lordievader> Fikzter: Fire away :)
[10:18] <Fikzter> Everythings looks good (installing process)
[10:18] <Fikzter> After reboot my graphics go nuts...
[10:19] <Fikzter> I almost had an epeleptic attack :)
[10:19] <lordievader> Fikzter: What graphics card do you use?
[10:19] <Fikzter> Hmm, dunno yet.. Installingproces worked fine (also graphics)
[10:20] <Fikzter> btw, installing Kubuntu 12.04 from DVD iso
[10:21] <Fikzter> it's an Asus graphics card
[10:23] <Fikzter> it's an Asus EAH6450 SILENT/DI/1GD3(LP)
[10:23] <lordievader> Fikzter: If you have access to a terminal you can simply run "lspci -k |grep -A2 VGA" to find out what graphics card you have.
[10:24] <Fikzter> Simply ;) Let me check
[10:24] <lordievader> Fikzter: Hmm, an AMD card, I suppose the radeon driver should support it.
[10:25] <Fikzter> it does during the installingprocess... That's why it's so weird
[10:25] <lordievader> Yes, the radeon driver supports the HD6450.
[10:26] <Fikzter> But how could this happen? text install also works fine (trying now)
[10:29] <lordievader> Good question, theoretically this could be due to an update. Do you currently have an installed version of kubuntu on your harddrive?
[10:29] <Fikzter> I had before I installed it again indeed
[10:29] <lordievader> Fikzter: On that install can you get to a tty?
[10:30] <Fikzter> though, installing from dvd, so this shouldn't matter on the installed version
[10:30] <Fikzter> I alrady overwrote it by this new install :)
[10:30] <Fikzter> So no, can't go to tty (also don't know how :D)
[10:33] <lordievader> Fikzter: ctrl + alt +f1 is the shortcut, to return to your desktop press ctrl + alt +f7. But to do this on the live-session doesn't make sense.
[10:34] <Fikzter> ok, I'll try after this install (text install)
[10:38] <Fikzter> I'll let you know lordievader
[10:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:03] <Fikzter> Mornin....
[11:03] <Fikzter> Still installing...
[11:36] <Fikzter> argh, doesn't look good...
[11:38] <Fikzter> CTCP?
[11:40] <lordievader> Fikzter: Define doesn't look good.
[11:48] <Fikzter> same problem... After install (which looks fine) I reboot computer
[11:48] <Fikzter> Then my whole screen is plit in half (right half is shown on the left en left half is shown on the right) and screen is flickering
[11:49] <Fikzter> Can I upload pictures here?
[11:50] <hateball> Fikzter: you can upload to something like imgur and link here
[11:51] <Fikzter> Don't have it :) I'll check it out.. 1 sec (ok, some more ;D)
[11:54] <Fikzter> http://imgur.com/4NRoz0b
[11:54] <Fikzter> but of course I can't take a photo of it flickering (turning on and off (I think))
[11:56] <hateball> wrong Hz settings?
[11:59] <lordievader> Fikzter: Can you go to a tty?
[11:59] <Fikzter> Did't set anything :) And was ok with install
[11:59] <Fikzter> Will try now
[11:59] <Fikzter> hahaha, yes, but with same problem...
[11:59] <Fikzter> What should I do in tty?
[12:01] <lordievader> Fikzter: Check if the correct driver is loaded with "lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA"
[12:03] <Fikzter> Ok, I did that.. It gave me this: 04:00.0 VGA (VGA in red??) compatible controler: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee (no? I'm dutch) ATI Caicos [Radeon] (... waybe more?) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer INc. Device 03da Kernel driver in use: radeon
[12:07] <lordievader> Fikzter: Could you use paste.ubuntu.com for the paste please?
[12:10] <Fikzter> ah, how do I use it from tty?
[12:10] <Fikzter> (sorry, I'm a n00b...)
[12:12] <tsimpson> !pastebinit
[12:12] <Fikzter> thanks, will try :)
[12:14] <Fikzter> Grrr, can't use apt-get install...
[12:15] <lordievader> Fikzter: Did you use sudo?
[12:16] <Fikzter> Yes, couldn't get /var/lib/dpkg/lock (not available)
[12:16] <Fikzter> same with /var/lib/dpkg/
[12:16] <Fikzter> reading this is hard for your eyes... :)
[12:17] <OerHeks> Fikzter, do you have MUON open and Konsole together?
[12:17] <Fikzter> I don't think so (at least not intentionally)
[12:17] <OerHeks> please use one method at the time, there is one instance to apt-get possible
[12:17] <OerHeks> oh oke
[12:18] <OerHeks> that could lead to this error too :-)
[12:18] <Fikzter> Ah, well, it could be possible (don't know what else it was doing)
[12:24] <Fikzter> well, did a reboot.. The flickering is gone (for now) though, I only get vertical lines: http://imgur.com/HB6HJgE
[12:24] <alket> whats the equivalent of gparted for kde ?
[12:25] <OerHeks> gnome gparted in kde version?
[12:25] <alket> yes
[12:25] <OerHeks> kparted :-D
[12:26] <alket> OerHeks: E: Unable to locate package kparted
[12:27] <OerHeks> maybe it is removed after install, seen that before
[12:27] <lordievader> alket: Search in the menu for the partition editor.
[12:27] <lordievader> OerHeks: Should still be there.
[12:27] <lordievader> Also after the install.
[12:28] <OerHeks> Oh oke, that would be an ubuntu habbit only?
[12:28] <alket> lordievader: thank you
[12:31] <lordievader> OerHeks: Does Ubuntu remove it? (Doesn't install it per-default?)
[12:35] <hateball> kubuntu uses /usr/bin/kcmshell4 kcm_partitionmanager
[12:35] <hateball> but I think the live-usb might have gparted or some other gui parted on it
[12:49] <pramiti> hi, i am getting following error while doing sudo apt-get install vim or even sudo apt-get update.. http://fpaste.org/93444/13972095/ my net connection is working properly.. please help.. my sources.list file is http://fpaste.org/93443/97209446/
[12:55] <lordievader> pramiti: Are you the harshi who was here earlier?
[12:55] <pramiti> yes
[12:55] <lordievader> If so I asked if you where using an ipv6 connection or an ipv4 one.
[12:56] <pramiti> i lost my internet connection.. i m sorry i  coudnt see ur q that time. mine is ipv4
[12:57] <BluesKaj> pramiti, perhaps change to a different mirror
[12:58] <pramiti> Blueskaj: how to do that.. ?
[12:58] <lordievader> pramiti: apt tries to resolve ipv6 adresses, this is not possible on an ipv4 connection.
[12:59] <lordievader> pramiti: How does your /etc/resolv.conf look?
[13:01] <pramiti> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> search <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:01] <lordievader> Hmm, I wonder where apt gets the idea to use ipv6
[13:01] <pramiti> lordievader: # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> search <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:02] <ikonia> lordievader: is this the indian mirror by any chance ?
[13:02] <ikonia> pramiti: why are you pasting this ?
[13:02] <pramiti> lordievader: earlier i have ubuntu 12.04 and there was no problem of updating.. its after i have installed kubuntu 13.10
[13:03] <lordievader> ikonia: Might very well be, in.archive.u.c
[13:03] <ikonia> lordievader: yeah, their dns setup is messed up
[13:03] <ikonia> it appears a fair bit as a common question as to why it's failing
[13:03] <pramiti> ikonia: i have shown the output of /etc/resolv.conf..
[13:03] <lordievader> ikonia: Of the mirror?
[13:03] <ikonia> lordievader: yes
[13:03] <BluesKaj> ikonia, repos are in india
[13:04] <pramiti> ikonia: this is the error: http://fpaste.org/93444/13972095/
[13:04] <ikonia> lordievader: I've tried to contact the mirror owner a few times to fix his dns setup
[13:04] <lordievader> So the solution would be to change mirrors?
[13:04] <ikonia> lordievader: or try again and hope to get the other address for the mirror
[13:04] <ikonia> (it has 3 addresses I think)
[13:04] <lordievader> ikonia: You should tell pramiti ;) he's the one with the problem.
[13:04] <ikonia> I'm working a bit from memory but someones put an ipv6 address in the ipv4 record, so when you hit it, it fails
[13:05] <pramiti> ikonia: how should i change mirrors ?
[13:06] <lordievader> ikonia: That is quite nasty.
[13:06] <ikonia> use the software sources tool (or any tool you are happy with) or change the sources.list
[13:06] <ikonia> lordievader: yeah, it's rubbish, I've tried to contact him 3 -4 times
[13:06] <lordievader> ikonia: Too bad it cannot be resolved, pun intended.
[13:07] <ikonia> I tried, then lost interest,
[13:07] <ikonia> (nice pun)
[13:09] <pramiti> ikonia: it is getting installed using package manager :O
[13:12] <pramiti> lordievader: its getting installed using package manager and not using terminal
[13:13] <lordievader> pramiti: What is getting installed?
[13:13] <Fikzter> @ lordivader: I was done with the flickering screens, so I installed it again (through Kubuntu desktop iso (NOT DVD)) and now it works again :)
[13:13] <pramiti> lordievader: packages: like vim and g++ which are not able to install using terminal
[13:13] <Fikzter> Something is wrong with the DVD iso I think
[13:13] <Fikzter> Thanks for the help guys
[13:14] <pramiti> Fikzter: which version of kubuntu have u installed
[13:14] <Fikzter> 12.04 (both times)
[13:15] <pramiti> mine is also dvd version..
[13:15] <pramiti> but 13.10
[13:15] <pramiti> there can be problem in iso file too :O
[13:17] <lordievader> For checking the iso we have the md5sums ;)
[13:18] <lordievader> pramiti: Do you still get the same errors when installing things?
[13:18] <lordievader> Fikzter: Did you install it through a live-usb?
[13:19] <pramiti> lordievader: i have installed following image and created bootable usb using usb creator
[13:20] <pramiti> and there is just dvd iso here.. no desktop version.. and what is the difference between the two
[13:21]  * lordievader doesn't follow.
[13:24] <pramiti> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[13:25] <pramiti> i have used above iso .. and installed using bootable usb
[13:30] <lordievader> pramiti: Yes, that is fine.
[13:31] <pramiti> lordievader: okk ill use software manager than .. thanxs :)
[13:41] <ScottyK> Hello! When running apt-get upgrade, I've noticed that six packages (related to the kernel) keep being held back. How do I upgrade those?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade, ScottyK
[13:43] <ScottyK> BluesKaj - that did it, thanks! Why did the dist-upgrade work and not the regular upgrade?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> !dist-upgrade
[13:44] <ScottyK> Ok thanks.. Not trying  to upgrade, but I've noticed that they were sitting there for a while now
[13:45] <BluesKaj> ScottyK, one should dist-upgrade periodically to keep those dependencies up to date and remove the old ones
[13:45] <Pici> it doesn't bring you to the next release of Ubuntu, see ubottu's explanation above.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> yeah Pici he's aware of that
[13:47] <Pici> okay :)
[13:47] <lordievader> ScottyK: Dist-upgrade is a version of upgrade with more rights, as ubottu said, upgrade may not pull in new dependencies or remove packages. Dist-upgrade may do so.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> erikson43
[13:48] <BluesKaj> my old alter ego
[13:49] <BluesKaj> gotta remove that from some of these servers i don't use anymore
[13:51]  * BluesKaj cleans house in konversation
[13:52] <ScottyK> thanks for the info! I just dist-upgrade my other computer, and more packages came up.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> ScottyK, if you have the backport repos enabled , then KDE upgrades come down the pipe as well when you dist-upgrade
[13:58] <BluesKaj> well, stuff to do, BBL
[14:05] <blip99> hi all, I run Kubuntu 12.04 on a laptop.  Haven't used or updated for ages, noticed there is 13.10 now.  Is dist upgrade a good/bad idea ?
[14:05] <blip99> Im not willing to install fresh and redo all my setup and settings
[14:05] <blip99> so I either stick with 12.04 or dist upgrade.  what do you think ?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> blip99, the command is, do release-upgrade for upgrading to the next version of kubuntu . You would be better off to wait til next thursday for the next LTS version which is 14.04. Upgrading to 13.10 will take 2 version upgrades, rather than just one from 12.04 LTS to 14.04LTS
[14:11] <blip99> BluesKaj: ah I see. and if I wait should I expect a lot of bugs from such a big jump ?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> !LTS | blip99
[14:12] <jussi> blip99: you _should_ have a good experience from 12.04 -> 14.04. I would definitely wait a few weeks
[14:13] <blip99> BluesKaj: I understand that.  but in the old days dist upgrades sometimes cause issues but i never tried it myself.  ill just wait and wish for the best
[14:13] <BluesKaj> blip99, I would say not ...LTS versions are usually well prepared for the large change
[14:13] <blip99> ah I see
[14:13] <blip99> ok perfect
[14:13] <blip99> ill wait for thursday, thank you guys
[14:14] <BluesKaj> blip99, to err on the side of caution however a month or sop after the official release to up[ghrade is good practice.
[14:14] <BluesKaj> scuse the typos
[14:15] <blip99> ok ill wait a while then
[14:15] <blip99> ty
[14:15] <BluesKaj> blip99, if you're running a pc at work for instance
[15:29] <DrJones> Does anyone know where the settings for opengl + vsync are stored in Kubuntu? I enabled "reuse screen whatever" and now kwin freezes upon boot
[15:37] <BluesKaj> DrJones, sytem settings>applications>desktopeffects>advanced
[15:38] <DrJones> Oh but X freezes on boot so I have to figure out how to do that from console
[15:39] <DrJones> Do you know where those settings are stored and can they be modified via nano?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> DrJones, no login page then?
[15:40] <DrJones> Its configured to autologin
[15:43] <BluesKaj> DrJones, try holding the left shift key down right after the bios page to get grub, then choose a recovery kernel
[15:45] <DrJones> I tried that earlier, however the failsafeX mode doesn't work.  I'll have to work on this more later.
[15:50] <piyon> hi BluesKaj, can you help me with a tip of Kopete config?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> piyon, sorry I have no clue about kopete, never used it.
[15:51] <piyon> ok thanks
[15:52] <piyon> bye to all
[17:48] <Sebastounatator> Bonsoir, bonsoir
[17:51] <rcwcom> Ciao!
[17:51] <rcwcom> !LIST
[18:32] <natacus123> whats the best IM client for Kubuntu these days? ( i use yahoo )
[18:36] <Avihay_> Telepathy is getting to being good.
[18:47] <natacus123> Avihay:  is telepaty as good as kopete used to be?
[19:00] <Avihay> well, I managed to make some video calls with it, which is more then I can say for kopete
[19:03] <Avihay> it (was)  slightly more stable then pidgin
[22:03] <wxl> as of saucy, kubuntu-low-fat-settings is gone. i see in raring it was a transitional dummy package but i don't see what the transition is to.
[22:04] <wxl> needless to say, the question is what is it :)
[22:04] <TheFakeazneD525> perhaps a lightweight kwin?
[22:04] <TheFakeazneD525> slimmed down Plasma-desktop?
[22:05] <wxl> i'm not sure of its contents though i do know it eliminated most desktop effects
[22:08] <lordievader> wxl: Looking at the sources you can see what it does, mainly share/config is of interest: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/kubuntu-low-fat-settings/precise/files/head:/share/config/
[22:08] <wxl> lordievader: i'm wondering what's replacing it.
[22:10] <bprompt> kubuntu-slim-fat ?
[22:10]  * bprompt ducks
[22:13] <lordievader> wxl: You could ask apachelogger, he is/was the maintainer.
[22:16] <wxl> oh i figured it out now. i think.
[22:17]  * lordievader Time for bed, sleep wel people.
[22:17] <bprompt> 99 lordievader
[23:17] <DarthFrog> Sleep wet?  Wet?  No thanks.


[02:46] <thiagofcf> salve galera
[02:46] <thiagofcf> alguem ae?
[06:09] <dholbach> good morning
[13:53] <salty-horse> hi. I'm trying to run javac via ant and it complains that it can't find it. it looks in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre while the javac is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre
[13:53] <salty-horse> I have sun-java6-jdk and sun-java6-jre installed
[13:53] <salty-horse> am I doing anything wrong?
[13:53] <salty-horse> should I really set it JAVA_HOME manually?
[14:03] <salty-horse> halloo? anyone here?


[00:45] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn, hi what's up
[00:47] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn, do you have like about 5 mins.  I wanted to show you my new guide
[01:13] <nhandler> Did the team decide who will be leading the Open Week session yet?
[20:20] <chunknuts> anybody around?
[20:21] <chunknuts> heeeellllpppp!!!!!!
[20:25] <jpds> chunknuts: Hi, try #ubuntu for support.
[20:26] <chunknuts> I'm not looking for support -- I wanted to comment about a piece of documentation
[20:32] <starcraftman> lo there chunknuts
[20:32] <starcraftman> what's the comment?
[22:08] <chunknuts> oh -- hey... my comment is about the Live CD Customization page:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[22:09] <chunknuts> it's not updated for Karmic


 Hopefully he hasn't vanished again
 #+-& I overslept
 @ahoneybun - I will be on my way in a few minutes
 What that's OK sunday
 *on
 Lol... That now explains why my alarm did not go off
 Dangit.  I just woke up my kids and then I realized it was tomorrow.
 I thought it was today too
 Anyone up for Sushi tonight?
 Denny's and Pokemon tonight
 Is it a problem with Google or MeetUp?
 I never got one of those when the date changed.
 I unRSVPd and then reRSVPd, then I got a message.
 @ahoneybun it might be a good idea to delete the event and then move it manually.
 Rather, force everyone to re-RSVP
 I wonder if those two n3wbs from the comments are there right now.
 Sushi tomorrow I might be able to kake, I have some work to catch up on today
 Ok
 @Ivoriesablaze how far are you from west palm?
 I live in royal palm, lol, you know this
 And I can't do anything today, remember? Mom's birthday
 Oh yeh. That's why it was moved today
 Are we still doing sushi today?
 Or is everything moved?
 Tomorrow
 Alright.
[18:24] <floridagram3> * ahoneybun kidnaps Alan
 I won't be able to make it
 I got the cloriform
 I'm a bit worried now lol


[01:00] <cprofitt> pleia2: you still here?
[01:01] <pleia2> yep
[01:01] <cprofitt> can you talk with aus and I in ny?
[01:02] <pleia2> not a great time, I had a stupid number of interruptions at work today and so I'm already behind and having to work late
[01:03] <cprofitt> Pendulum: are you here
[01:03] <cprofitt> sorry... we can do it later then
[01:16] <Pendulum> cprofitt: I'm around, but I'm guessing it's still not right now since pleia2 can't?
[01:17] <cprofitt> can you join us in #ubuntu-us-ny
[01:18] <cprofitt> I would like you to share your experience with ausimage with joining the team if you are willing Pendulum
[01:22] <cprofitt> popey: you here?
[01:26] <cprofitt> Pendulum: are you willing?
[01:42] <cprofitt> Pendulum: you here?
[01:51] <Pendulum> oops, sorry
[01:51] <Pendulum> now I'm here
[01:51] <Pendulum> still want me to join?
[01:51] <Pendulum> cprofitt: ^^
[01:51] <cprofitt> yes p0lease
[01:51] <cprofitt> please
[01:57] <cprofitt> Pendulum: you ok?
[01:59] <Pendulum> cprofitt: yeah, just on percocet for a shoulder injury and my roommate asked me something I needed to answer
[02:02] <cprofitt> no problem... I thought aus was a bit agressive and hoped he had not intimidated you
[02:02] <Pendulum> nope
[02:02] <Pendulum> btw, I'm female :)
[02:02] <cprofitt> ah...
[02:02] <cprofitt> I tend not to worry about sex or not
[02:03] <cprofitt> and fallback on the male pronoun
[02:03] <cprofitt> no offense meant
[02:04] <Pendulum> np :)
[02:08] <Pendulum> he's not going to listen to any of this really
[02:08] <Pendulum> but at least it's being said
[02:27] <Pendulum> cprofitt: can I PM you?
[02:34] <cprofitt> yes please feel free to do so


[03:28] <kf5aeo> anyone use real vnc to operate pi "headless"
[03:32] <abou> hi everybdy
[03:33] <abou> IM new to Ubuntu and I wanted to ask if there is a good anti virus I can use
[03:36] <dbrass> there is clamAV which can scan for Windows viruses
[03:39] <dbrass> you can have a GUI (graphical user interface) if you also install the clamtk package
[03:39] <dbrass> didn't realized that he left sorry guys
[03:40] <dbrass> ang gals ;)
[03:40] <dbrass> and gals ;)
[04:54] <mate|93653> Hello people how do I restart samba 4
[04:55] <mate|93653> I use Ubuntu Mate 16LTS
[05:38] <mate|93653> Can anyone help me?
[05:39] <Fells> Please
[06:06] <ubuntu-mate> anyone talking?
[06:21] <guiverc_> mate|93653 you still there? ; ubuntu-mate .. nope.
[06:24] <_Erik> Is anyone here using caja-dropbox?
[06:31] <_Erik> Figured it out (i think) if you type 'dropbox status' at the command prompt. I need to type 'caja-dropbox instead of 'dropbox'
[07:31] <mate|324> hello
[07:31] <mate|324> is there any way to view the toast notifications log?
[07:31] <mate|324> is there a log?
[07:32] <Keks-cenobite> Hello
[07:33] <Keks-cenobite> Wondering if theres a mini.iso for 16.04. Couldnt find it anywhere on the
[07:35] <Keks-cenobite> Hello
[07:40] <Kekbepraised> Join
[07:41] <Kekbepraised> Is there a mini.iso for 16.04
[09:49] <decebal> hi there
[09:49] <decebal> someone here
[09:49] <decebal> ???
[12:02] <xpkill23> gg plaese german help
[12:15] <xpkill23> gg serach german help mate
[12:59] <ouroumov> !de | xpkill23
[13:23] <sfarber> My software updates are completely messed-up since I upgraded to 16.10. The system cannot update itself and thinks my internet connection is down when it is actually up. Any suggestions on how to fix this?
[14:15] <pall512> and the great battle to install linux on sony vaio continues..
[14:41]  * alkisg is on a sony vaio currently with no issues...
[14:41] <alkisg> Even suspend works fine, which is quite rare :D
[15:22] <pall512> how did you manage to install it :D?
[15:22] <pall512> i'm currently getting "operating system not found"
[15:23] <pall512> yesterday i tried to do a dual boot but gave up and now i'm just trying to install only linux, dunno which one is easier
[15:28] <ouroumov> pall512, simple install is easier
[15:28] <ouroumov> pall512, you boot on the stick, then choose "erase disk and install"
[15:29] <pall512> there's a little problem with that, on sony i do have a ssd partition named "sonysys" which is taking care of my laptops "assist" named button, and it's the only way to get into bios
[15:29] <pall512> so i can't erase the whole disk
[15:30] <ouroumov> A partition is there to allow you to access the bios? that makes no sense.
[15:30] <pall512> that's what i was thinking..
[15:30] <ouroumov> You're supposed to get to the bios by pressing a key while stating the machine
[15:31] <ouroumov> starting*
[15:31] <pall512> for example http://www.lightofdawn.org/wiki/wiki.cgi/SonyLinuxUefiBoot
[15:31] <pall512> [sda1] - SONYSYS - Sony System partition (not sure what is this for, some says that this is meant for the "Assist" button to work, and since the "Assist" button is the only way to enter UEFI BIOS menu, you really really don't want to tamper with this).
[15:32] <pall512> after some googling i didn't find anything else, just everyone saying it's taking care of assist button
[15:32] <pall512> i've already tried every possible button and button combination but no success.. or at least i think so
[15:32] <ouroumov> fraking sony
[15:33] <pall512> yh..
[15:33] <ouroumov> pall512, you know you can try more than one key at the time
[15:34] <ouroumov> When I don't wanna think about it too much I just hammer F1-F12 as well as ESC, Inser, Suppr, basically all the keys on the top row till I'm in the BIOS
[15:34] <pall512> as i said, "and button combination" ^ but i'm not sure, maybe there's still some hidden button combination to get into bios but i haven't found it yet :/
[15:34] <Guest73793> jose luis
[15:35] <pall512> i've at least tried all common keys (f1 f2 f5 f8 f9 esc f10 f11 f12)
[15:44] <mayday010> would it have anything to do with linux being installed on an extended partition?
[15:51] <Akuli> pall512, windows 8 or 10?
[15:52] <pall512> windows 10 but now i've already gotten rid of it, trying to install just linux but without success
[15:53] <mayday010> usually you get into the bios with either f2 or del
[15:54] <mayday010> a lot of laptops have additional functions to the f keys.  you might have to hold a different button to access the f functions
[15:55] <Akuli> pall512, gotten rid of it?
[15:56] <pall512> i mean i formatted the partition where windows was installed
[15:56] <Akuli> have you tried unplugging the computer and removing the battery if any?
[15:56] <Akuli> windows isn't there anymore so probably won't help, but i don't have better ideas :)
[15:57] <pall512> well, i can always reinstall windows
[15:58] <pall512> but yeah, i have. this situation has been on since yesterday
[16:01] <mayday010> what kind of errors are you getting when you try to install just linux?
[16:03] <pall512> when turning laptop on it says "operating system not found"
[16:03] <Akuli> do you have a cd drive?
[16:03] <mayday010> the install its self goes ok though?
[16:04] <Akuli> mayday010, he doesn't get that far
[16:05] <pall512> no, i dont have a cd drive
[16:05] <pall512> i install it via usb, the install goes fine, when it says it's time for reboot, shit hits the fan
[16:05] <Akuli> oh... i see
[16:06] <pall512> when booting mode is on legacy, "operating system not found", when on uefi it just starts windows "there's some error blabla"
[16:08] <mayday010> have you gotten into the system bios without using the sonysys software?  I think that's messing you up.
[16:09] <pall512> umm, well.. i haven't tried since if i delete it, and i can't got into bios anymore.. well..
[16:10] <mayday010> while you're booting there's a couple keys that will get you in.  the ones I've  used are usually f2 or del.  I usually repeatedly press those while booting until the bios shows up
[16:10] <mayday010> some systems also use f12 and or esc
[16:12] <mayday010> what model is it?  have you checked for reports of linux not installing?
[16:30] <mayday010> you still there pall512?
[16:44] <pall512> sorry, back
[16:44] <pall512> ummh..
[16:44] <mayday010> did you say you already cleared that sonysys partition?
[16:44] <mayday010> I think that is the problem
[16:45] <pall512> no i havent
[16:45] <pall512> i cleared the main partition where windows were
[16:45] <mayday010> It keeps booting into that, and that partition is written to only boot windows
[16:45] <pall512> and some other backup partitions but left sonysys and efi untouched
[16:46] <ouroumov_> pall512, you were able to boot the live USB at some point?
[16:47] <pall512> yeah, all the time
[16:47] <ouroumov_> Yeah
[16:47] <pall512> but can't without it
[16:48] <ouroumov_> How do you know, you never removed the partition
[16:48] <ouroumov_> Oh you mean post install you can't boot from harddisk?
[16:48] <pall512> umm
[16:49] <pall512> the install went fine, but after install i cant boot to linux or anything. i can only boot with live usb, yes
[16:49] <mayday010> in your live usb, I'd clear all partitions.  and repartition with only 2.  one for windows and 1 for linux
[16:49] <ouroumov_> And Windows is already gone, right?
[16:50] <pall512> and i've done the ubuntu mate install at least 4 times already
[16:50] <mayday010> then install windows first, and linux second
[16:50] <pall512> yes, the windows is gone
[16:50] <ouroumov_> Then what do you got to lose?
[16:50] <ouroumov_> Just wipe the whole disk during install
[16:50] <pall512> and i dont need partition for linux
[16:50] <pall512> windows*
[16:51] <mayday010> If you've decided not to put windows on then your right.  I thought you still wanted to dual boot
[16:51] <pall512> well, the thing is that now i can still get windows back. if i wipe the whole disk and lose my access to bios, i'm fucked
[16:51] <pall512> well, it doesn't matter actually
[16:51] <ouroumov_> Why? Obviously your machine's boot order has USB in the sequence
[16:51] <mayday010> you should be able to access it the good old fashion way, by using the keys that we've mentioned
[16:52] <pall512> but i cant :|
[16:52] <ouroumov_> Okay
[16:52] <ouroumov_> I recommend you resell the machine, and never purchase hardware from Sony again
[16:53] <ouroumov_> Sony = Evil
[16:53] <pall512> hah, that's one golden piece of advise
[16:53] <ouroumov_> Well that's all I got
[16:54] <jticket> Looks like his bios is hard coded for UEFI EFI/Microsoft/bootx64.efi
[16:54] <mayday010> you could back up that partition.  but unless all you want is windows I don't think you can keep it
[16:55] <jticket> pall512 maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/458413/how-to-fix-dual-booting-windows-8-and-ubuntu-14-04-on-a-sony-vaio can hel
[16:55] <mayday010> or if you have a spare drive.  just take out your current one and try installing it.
[16:56] <mayday010> if everything works fine you know its safe to get rid of.  if not,  just put your other one back in
[17:04] <mayday010> I'm on a page right now that says if you hold down f2 before pressing power you will boot right into the bios
[17:04] <pall512> sec, testing
[17:04] <pall512> nope :/ operating system not found and not bios didnt open
[17:05] <mayday010> hmm
[17:05] <pall512> on the install there were option "device for boot loader installation", where should i have installed that in?
[17:05] <jticket> pall512 can you still boot into windows?
[17:06] <pall512> i formatted the partition where windows was in but yes i think that if i install windows again, i'm able to boot into it
[17:06] <jticket> Maybe you got stuck in fastboot. In windows, if you're going to duel boot, turn off fast startup or run powercfg /h off
[17:07] <pall512> but if i'm not going for dual boot?
[17:07] <pall512> should i then reinstall windows and turn it off? i have no idea if that's on or off
[17:07] <jticket> Install linux as normal and mount your EFI partition, and copy the efi file for grub to Microsoft/bootmgrw.efi
[17:08] <jticket> bootmgfw.efi
[17:08] <pall512> any link to introductions? so i dont fuck everything up
[17:09] <jticket> Actually do you already have linux installed?
[17:09] <pall512> yes, i do have
[17:09] <jticket> Boot into the live and mount the EFI system partition.
[17:09] <jticket> Are you using secure boot?
[17:09] <pall512> aight, just a second
[17:09] <pall512> no, i dont think so
[17:10] <pall512> hmm, i got "error parsing PCC subspaces from PCCT", but it still opened
[17:10] <jticket> Is your EFI system partition mounted?
[17:11] <pall512> could affect that i turned the boot option to legacy
[17:11] <pall512> just a second, cant remember those commands
[17:12] <jticket> Yep. You may have to reinstall linux then if it installed in legacy.
[17:12] <pall512> yes, i have mounted it now i think
[17:13] <mayday010> when you tried the f2 key you held it down while it was trying to boot?  or did you just release it after hitting power?
[17:13] <jticket> Otherwise if you still have your EFI system partition then you're still golden.
[17:13] <pall512> no i held it until "operating system not found"
[17:13] <jticket> Ok, go into /efi in your ESP and see what you have there.
[17:13] <mayday010> wow, just saw a video that booted right into the bios https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw6nQqrB30I
[17:13] <pall512> Boot, Microsoft and ubuntu
[17:14] <jticket> You don't have windows installed?
[17:14] <pall512> damn, not working on me, mayday
[17:14] <pall512> no i dont
[17:15] <pall512> or i havent uninstalled, i just deleted the main partition
[17:15] <jticket> You can get rid of the microsoft folder. Then copy the efi file from ubuntu to /efi/bootx64.efi
[17:15] <jticket> If you're not planning to run windows.
[17:15] <pall512> copy the efi file from ubuntu to /efi/bootx64.efi?
[17:16] <jticket> What's inside of the ubuntu folder?
[17:16] <pall512> fw, fwupx64.efi, grub.cfg, grubx64.efi, MokManager.efi, shimx64.efi
[17:17] <jticket> Go up one level and remove the boot folder and move ubuntu folder to boot
[17:17] <jticket> So those files should be in /EFI/boot
[17:17] <jticket> So those files should be in /EFI/Boot
[17:18] <pall512> so  fw, fwupx64.efi, grub.cfg, grubx64.efi, MokManager.efi, shimx64.efi to folder mnt/efi/Boot
[17:18] <jticket> Yep.
[17:18] <pall512> and delete bootx64.efi in boot folder?
[17:19] <jticket> Yep. And copy grubx64.efi to bootx64 in boot folder.
[17:19] <pall512> can i just rename it so i wont brick
[17:19] <pall512> it
[17:19] <jticket> You can rename if it you'd like.
[17:20] <jticket> And you said secure boot is not on correct?
[17:20] <pall512> what's the command to copy all contents of ubuntu folder?
[17:20] <pall512> secure boot is off
[17:21] <jticket> cp /mnt/EFI/Ubuntu* /mnt/EFI/Boot/
[17:22] <pall512> it didnt copy fw but that folder is empty
[17:22] <pall512> oh, should i have moved those instead of copy?
[17:24] <pall512> and grubx64.efi -> bootx64.efi, right?
[17:25] <Akuli> i wonder what happens if you update the kernel after moving those files
[17:27] <pall512> aand operating system not found..
[17:28] <jticket> Hmm. Did you turn legacy boot off?
[17:28] <pall512> no, should i?
[17:28] <jticket> Yes.
[17:28] <pall512> aight
[17:28] <jticket> It needs to boot in EFI, not legacy.
[17:29] <pall512> and secure boot disabled, right?
[17:30] <pall512> preparing automatic repair
[17:30] <pall512> diagnosing your pc
[17:31] <pall512> well, that's not "operating system not found" but still not starting
[17:31] <jticket> Cancel that and boot into the boot menu.
[17:31] <jticket> And select internal.
[17:32] <jticket> Still windows leftovers.
[17:34] <pall512> didn't work
[17:34] <pall512> preparing automatic repair and diagnosing your pc..
[17:34] <pall512> :(
[17:34] <jticket> Still diagnosing? Damn. Let it do it's thing, and see what happens.
[17:34] <jticket> Fucking windows diagnosis shit.
[17:35] <pall512> it says it couldn't even diagnose it
[17:35] <jticket> I'm blind and I hate when I get screens like that because I can't read them.
[17:35] <jticket> Ok, is there a close/ok/something like that?
[17:36] <pall512> continue (exit and continue to windows 10, wat), troubleshoot and turn of your pc
[17:36] <pall512> inside troubleshoot there's "reset this pc" and advanced options
[17:36] <jticket> exit and continue and see what that does.
[17:36] <pall512> in adv. options system restore, system image recovery, startup repair, cmd prompt, uefi firmware settings, startup settings
[17:37] <jticket> Try continue to windows 10
[17:37] <pall512> continuing to windows 10 takes back to preparing automatic repair and diagnosing your pc
[17:38] <jticket> Ok. Hmm.
[17:38] <jticket> Ok create /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/ and copy the /EFI/Boot/bootx64 to /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[17:39] <jticket> It may be hard coded to that.
[17:39] <jticket> I had to do this with an HP for a long long time.
[17:39] <pall512> just a minute, i've to put external to primary boot again
[17:40] <pall512> should i keep boot mode as uefi?
[17:40] <jticket> Yep.
[17:43] <pall512> when the boot mode is uefi and usb plugged in, it opens that bootloader, but when in legacy it just opens ubuntu mate and then asks about trying or installing.. weird
[17:43] <jticket> That's because EFI loads an EFI file too boot ubuntu.
[17:44] <pall512> aah, i see
[17:44] <pall512> there's a ton of files inside Microsoft/boot
[17:45] <pall512> can i again rename the old bootmgfw.efi as a backup?
[17:45] <jticket> Yes you can.
[17:46] <jticket> Are you already past the point of no return you don't need those files if you already deleted the windows base partition.
[17:46] <jticket> The NTFS with the OS on it.
[17:46] <pall512> well, i can always reinstall windows
[17:47] <jticket> Yes but you'd have to completely wipe the drive first sadly. Windows likes to be the first installed OS.
[17:48] <pall512> okay, now the bootx64 is inside the microsoft boot folder as a bootmgfw.efi
[17:48] <jticket> Yep. Now reboot and see what happens.
[17:48] <jticket> hopefully we've found it.
[17:49] <pall512> let's hope for the best
[17:49] <jticket> It must be an older vio?
[17:49] <jticket> Older sony VIO?
[17:49] <pall512> got it in 2013
[17:49] <jticket> Yep.
[17:49] <pall512> should i go first to bios to change the primary to internal?
[17:50] <jticket> If you'd like.
[17:50] <pall512> or just go with external first, it should still open internal
[17:50] <jticket> Or just boot into the boot menu and boot from it manually.
[17:50] <pall512> if external is not plugged
[17:50] <jticket> Either way is fine.
[17:50] <pall512> woa
[17:50] <pall512> woa woa woa
[17:51] <jticket> And?
[17:51] <pall512> gnu grub version 2.02 blabla, minimal bash-like line editing is supported. for the first word, tab ists possible command completions. anywhere else tab lists psosible device or file completions.
[17:51] <pall512> grub> and possibility to write
[17:51] <pall512> this is new
[17:52] <jticket> Yep. Now copy all of the grub files from the boot folder then.
[17:52] <jticket> over to that folder so it sees them.
[17:52] <pall512> but hmm
[17:53] <pall512> so i have to go back to live usb or can i work it out here?
[17:53] <pall512> i have no idea what this is
[17:53] <jticket> That's the grub rescue prompt.
[17:53] <jticket> YIep. Boot back into live and copy the other grub files from /EFI/Boot/ to that folder.
[17:54] <jticket> to /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/
[17:56] <jticket> Or maybe if you coppied the ubuntu folder move the files back to there. NOw it's a matter of figuring out where grub expects the files.
[17:57] <pall512> umm
[17:59] <pall512> soo..
[17:59] <pall512> efi/boot/ files to microsoft/boot?
[18:00] <jticket> Is the /EFI/Ubuntu folder still there?
[18:01] <pall512> yes
[18:01] <pall512> in microsoft/boot folder there's all the same filenames as in ubuntu, idk are those same..
[18:01] <pall512> + ton of other files
[18:02] <pall512> no, sorry, same filenames as in boot folder*
[18:02] <pall512> efi/boot
[18:02] <Akuli> jticket, would symlinks work instead of copying?
[18:02] <jticket> Alright. Try copying them to the Microsoft/Boot folder then.
[18:02] <pall512> ubuntu, or boot?
[18:02] <jticket> Then reboot. If not, you'll have to reinstall windows first, then install linux, let it fail, and then copy the files.
[18:02] <jticket> boot.
[18:03] <jticket> Or ubuntu. Same files.
[18:03] <pall512> way too many filenames and folders :D
[18:03] <Akuli> symlinks might be easier to deal with than moving stuff around randomly
[18:03] <jticket> True.
[18:05] <pall512> efi/Boot all files to Microsoft/Boot, and it doesn't matter that at the same time not-needed bootx64.efi goes also to destination folder?
[18:05] <jticket> Yep.
[18:06] <jticket> Then after we figure out what's neeeded you'll probably need to reinstall.
[18:08] <pall512> okay, transfered
[18:09] <pall512> and then restart?
[18:12] <pall512> hmm, it opened grub rescue prompt again
[18:13] <jticket> Hmm. Now the linux must be broken. Maybe reinstall that.  Usual.
[18:34] <pall512> hahah
[18:38] <pall512> i didn't expect to be disassembling my laptop just to get linux installed..
[18:39] <jticket> Lol.  Trying to figure out if he needs the sonysys partition or not.
[18:45] <jticket> pall512 I'm blind and I swap parts all the time XD
[18:45] <jticket> I work in IT>
[18:46] <pall512> giving me hard time already, even that i haven't got the case open yet
[18:47] <jticket> Sorry.
[18:47] <jticket> I'm just used to it. I know what comes with the traid.
[18:47] <pall512> can't believe how you can do it without seeing
[18:47] <pall512> that needs some skills
[18:47] <pall512> skills i dont have :D
[18:48] <jticket> I do both laptops and desktops.  I use 2 ice trays to sourt my screws.
[18:50] <pall512> do you have a degree on computer science or something?
[18:50] <jticket> No. Self tought. But I work now and it's good. Am at work right now. I'm from Alaska.
[18:51] <pall512> okay
[18:51] <ouroumov__> Every single time I've opened a laptop I've broken it.
[18:51] <ouroumov__> Good luck pall512.
[18:51] <pall512> i'm actually studying computer science in uni, first year going on. and i'm from finland
[18:52] <pall512> thanks mate
[18:52] <jticket> Nice.
[18:52] <pall512> still got lot to learn
[18:52] <Akuli> aa moi pall512 :D
[18:52] <pall512> no perkele, arvasin että joku suomalaine täälki
[18:52] <Akuli> noniin :)
[18:52] <pall512> :D
[18:52] <pall512> ouroumov don't scare me off, please :D
[18:52] <pall512> aight, got the case opened
[18:53] <jticket> NOw the hard drijve part. Probably just 4 screws around a brace or something like that. That's normal.
[18:53] <jticket> Hard drive.
[18:53] <Akuli> i like to always put my hard drives on a soft surface
[18:53] <Akuli> probably a bit overkill, but they aren't meant to be banged against things
[18:53] <pall512> yeah, i found a video of the same laptop
[18:54] <jticket> I just replaced my ssd the other day for an NVME ssd. Now I'll replace my wireless card soon because this one sucks.
[18:58] <pall512> i've only got experience of dekstops
[18:58] <pall512> desktops
[18:58] <jticket> It's good to have experience in both
[18:59] <pall512> yeah, going to but in cv after this "disassembled one laptop, broke it"
[19:01] <pall512> okay
[19:01] <pall512> the hard drive is off
[19:01] <pall512> then battery back on and time to test it
[19:02] <jticket> Put the back plate on and boot it.
[19:02] <jticket> Yep. Battery back on and test.
[19:05] <pall512> hmm, it didnt wake up
[19:06] <jticket> Wake up?
[19:06] <pall512> start
[19:06] <jticket> Try power button and f2.
[19:06] <jticket> or the assist key.
[19:06] <Akuli> did it do anything at all?
[19:06] <pall512> no
[19:06] <Akuli> like any sounds, anything?
[19:06] <pall512> nope
[19:07] <pall512> shiit..
[19:07] <jticket> Nothing on power?
[19:07] <Akuli> maybe it needs the hard drive just to run?
[19:07] <Akuli> wouldn't surprise me
[19:08] <jticket> Yep.  XD panic panic.
[19:13] <pall512> that was scary as shit
[19:13] <jticket> frantically press power and assist key.
[19:13] <jticket> Lol.
[19:14] <pall512> start using linux, it's easy!
[19:14] <pall512> only if you dont use sony
[19:14] <pall512> i just wish i wasnt a poor student and could buy something-else-than-sony laptop
[19:15] <jticket> You looking for something portable, or to play with?
[19:15] <pall512> portable, i've to do my school stuff also with it
[19:16] <pall512> + coding and stuff
[19:16] <jticket> Yep.
[19:16] <Akuli> you can do school stuff on ubuntu?
[19:16] <Akuli> your school is nice :)
[19:16] <jticket> I used ubuntu in school for years.
[19:16] <pall512> well, i can't see a reason why i couldn't
[19:17] <stuzog> Does anyone have experience with Firefox Sync on the Raspberry Pi 3?
[19:18] <pall512> akuli what do you need in your school that ubuntu cannot provide?
[19:19] <Akuli> some teachers want everything in microsoft office, most don't as long as it's not a hassle
[19:19] <jticket> I did everything in open office and just convirted or saved it in a supported form.
[19:19] <pall512> hah
[19:20] <jticket> rtf, etc.  Your bios is hard coded.
[19:41] <pall512> i dont know what that means, but okay
[19:43] <adolfo> hi
[19:44] <pall512> i have to say in advance, i can't thank enough of your help
[19:44] <adolfo> i need help in the so
[19:45] <jticket> pall512 it means sony has set the path to /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi and there's nothing you can do about it.
[19:50] <pall512> ahh, thanks for educating me once again!
[19:52] <Akuli> again, why to copy when you can symlink?
[19:52] <Akuli> symlinks wouldn't break with updates...
[19:53] <pall512> ... symlink?
[19:53] <Akuli> symbolinen linkki
[19:53] <Akuli> the idea is that a file makes programs think that it's another file
[19:53] <pall512> ahaa..
[19:53] <Akuli> it's just pointing to that other file and if you change that other file you're also going to see the change in the symlink
[19:53] <Akuli> can be a directory also, of course
[19:54] <pall512> and i assume it's not rocket science?
[19:54] <pall512> or i hope..
[19:54] <Akuli> not at all
[19:54] <Akuli> ln -s file1 file2 creates a symlink
[19:54] <Akuli> but i never remember which is the link and which is where it points to
[20:12] <pall512> ummh, okay..
[20:12] <pall512> should i just remove all partitions now when installing windows
[20:13] <Akuli> it's possible to make windows's bootloader load grub
[20:13] <Akuli> i've never done that but someone on ##windows suggested doing that once
[20:13] <pall512> soo... what are you suggesting me to do now?
[20:13] <Akuli> i have no idea :)
[20:13] <pall512> well
[20:14] <pall512> but it's not the only way, right?
[20:14] <Akuli> shouldn't be
[20:17] <pall512> mitä siis meinasit tol
[20:17] <pall512> hämmentävää
[20:25] <Akuli> siis että jos ei mitenkään muuten saada toimimaan niin saattais olla mahdollista asentaa windows ja sitten muokata windowsin asetuksia niin että se käynnistää grubin
[20:25] <Akuli> aika kikkailua kyllä
[20:26] <pall512> nooh, eiköhän tää näinkin onnistu. toivottavasti
[20:26] <pall512> so i think it's now safe to remove that freaking sonysys partition, right?
[20:26] <pall512> and sorry for speaking finnish, didn't even realise
[20:26] <Akuli> :)
[20:26] <Akuli> i wonder if ##windows knows anything
[20:33] <pall512> well, it's now installing and the sonysys is long gone
[20:36] <Akuli> let's see if grub will be able to boot
[21:29] <jticket> Yes pall512
[21:40] <jesperson> Hey guys, I'm having a really weird problem with my ubuntu setup.. I randomly (it seems) can not click on specific applications. It works in 1 application at the time
[21:47] <ouroumov_> jesperson, what version of Ubuntu MATE are you using?
[21:47] <ouroumov_> jesperson, and are you using compiz as compositor?
[21:53] <jesperson> ouroumov_, I'm using 16.04 LTS and I don't know if I'm using compiz - how can I check?
[21:59] <pall512> well, this is weird. went to eat and had bsod when came back..
[22:00] <ouroumov_> jesperson, go to mate tweak, windows, window manager
[22:00] <jesperson> ouroumov_, It's hard when I can't click anything
[22:00] <pall512> jticket can you repeat the steps i have to do since i lost this chat :/ wipe out the whole drive, install linux, let it fail, mount drive and.. something to somewhere
[22:02] <jesperson> I managed it, I'm using Marco
[22:02] <jesperson> ouroumov_,
[22:06] <jesperson> ouroumov, I changed it to Compiz for the moment and had to restart my computer because everything went haywire
[22:11] <ouroumov_> nah jesperson
[22:11] <ouroumov_> compiz is buggy
[22:11] <ouroumov_> I was assuming that was the cause of your problem
[22:12] <jesperson> I was using Marco in software mode, thought that the software mode could be something bad(?)
[22:54] <pall512> i reinstalled windows, did clean install on linux, was going to move those files to microsoft/boot but yeah, i did clean install so i dont have microsoft/boot.. wise move me, and here we go again..


[00:16] <YokoZar> Why does my launchpad PPA keep an all time failure log for me.  Did I really need to know that I had 424 successful uploads and 37 build failures?
[00:16] <YokoZar> This is going to turn into a vanity stat very soon
[00:16] <crimsun> ...or you could not consider it a mark of vanity.
[00:17] <YokoZar> crimsun: If launchpad published userid numbers I'd use that as a mark of vanity too
[00:28] <jfb_h2o> is there a reference for how to create a package like science-engineering for an organization to use for deployment?
[00:57] <jdong> kees: *defers to siretart* probably in debian's VCS?
[00:58] <kees> cool
[01:05] <psusi> damnit!  shit's complicated.
[01:21] <mdziczkowski> hello
[01:22] <mdziczkowski> are here any developers from Ubuntu 10.04 ?
[02:22] <slangasek> superm1: mythtv 0.23.0+fixes24158-0ubuntu2 - no bug numbers referenced in this log?  what's critical about making the shutdown/reboot commands *not* configurable?
[02:26] <slangasek> superm1: also, bug #550100 has been targeted to 10.04; if that's correct, presumably we should wait for that to land as well so we only have to build it once?
[03:14] <slangasek> ArneGoetje: export generated empty gv language packs again; I've rejected them from the new queue
[04:27] <YokoZar> oh goody gwibber is crashing on startub
[06:39] <hdon> when was the last time istanbul worked on ubuntu?
[06:40] <hdon> it seems that it's been like 8 months, and i've tried on a bunch of different ubuntu installs on several machines with no success
[06:40] <hdon> it always freezes hard
[06:40] <hdon> i filed a bug a loong time ago
[06:40] <hdon> very shameful. screencapture is important for the ubuntu generation of computer users
[06:48] <hyperair> is it? i've only used it like.. once?
[07:34] <gartral> hello all, i figured here is the best place to post this: ubuntu 10.04 is NOT supplying proper power over usb, as my droid no longer charges after upgrading to the RC
[07:37] <gartral> also the tigerjet device known as magicjack causes x too fail on load if the device is plugged in when i boot lucid
[07:41] <mantiena> hi all
[07:42] <mantiena> ev: Hi, thanks for updating ubiquity translation after Release Candidate - now Lithuanian users will see correct and easy to understandable translation without errors
[07:43] <mantiena> maybe someone knows if today will be new daily build at cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ ?
[08:15] <mantiena> nobody knows if today will be new daily build at cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ ?
[08:18] <Mirv> ccheney: could you push your OOo to bzr so that I could see the code changes in the last upload?
[08:57] <mantiena> Maybe someone knows if today will be new daily build at cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ ?
[11:53] <egalia> hey peops
[11:54] <egalia> where should I look for the final artwork for lucid?
[11:55] <egalia> would like to print some flyers for an upcoming lucid lynx party.
[12:00] <egalia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[12:00] <egalia> thx
[12:00] <hyperair> crimsun: are pulseaudio sinks always physical devices?
[12:00] <egalia> bye
[12:01] <persia> hyperair: No: see http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Modules for a list of sink types.
[12:02] <hyperair> persia: i see. that makes things harder..
[12:02]  * hyperair should probably start with filing a bug
[12:02] <persia> hyperair: What are you trying to do?
[12:03] <hyperair> persia: see, if you have multiple pulseaudio instances running on the same computer... and you put the computer to sleep.. the hook will record the state of, and mute each sink.
[12:04] <ogra_cmpc> i dont think you can put the computer to sleep if multiple people are logged in
[12:04] <hyperair> ogra_cmpc: can't you?
[12:04] <hyperair> ogra_cmpc: well in my case i had a gdm session and my own session.
[12:04] <ogra_cmpc> i remember lamont complaining about that a week ago or so
[12:04] <hyperair> so there was a gdm pulseaudio, and my own pulseaudio session.
[12:04] <hyperair> the problem was... the sinks on both instances were both mapped to the same physical device
[12:04] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, thats different
[12:05] <hyperair> so it went like this: it muted the sink of gdm's pulseaudio, and recorded that state. then it queried the state of my pulseaudio's sink, and then also muted it.
[12:05] <hyperair> the problem is: regardless of the state of the sink, it is now muted after recording gdm's pulseaudio's state.
[12:05] <hyperair> when resuming, the states are restored in the same order
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, sounds like a bug
[12:05] <hyperair> i know, i wrote that script >_>
[12:08] <persia> hyperair: So, you need to find a way to serialise and track each instance separately.
[12:08] <hyperair> persia: yep.
[12:09] <hyperair> persia: but i don't have the time to do it now. i wonder if it counts as a SRU..
[12:10] <persia> hyperair: It needs fixing anyway.  Fix it as soon as you can: if you get it before release, ask the Release Team if it can be in lucid.  If it's after, ask the SRU team if it can be backported.  Either way, make sure it's fixed in maverick.
[12:12] <hyperair> persia: no problem.
[12:13] <hyperair> persia: it's really a corner case though, so i wonder what priority to assign it
[12:17] <persia> Ask for guidance in -bugs, really.  I'd probably call it "Medium" offhand, but I'm not entirely confident, and not a good candidate to have an opinion since I mute audio all the time, and rarely suspend.
[12:45] <hyperair> weird, is launchpad's email interface not working?
[12:52]  * hyperair kicks launchpad
[12:57] <hyperair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/569395 for anyone who was listening earlier
[13:23] <directhex> can we release note the "proprietary NVIDIA driver nvidia-current installed on non-nvidia systems during upgrade which previously had libmyth-0.22-0 on them" issue?
[13:24] <directhex> had it happen again, on wife's netbook this time
[13:26] <directhex> well, either release note it, or actually add a conflicts/replaces on nvidia-185-libvdpau in libvdpau1, since that's the cause?
[14:50] <ScottK> directhex: open a bug task against the ubuntu-release-notes project and provide proposed text for the note.
[16:26] <simon-o> james_w, the lucid branch for system-config-printer is outdated. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/system-config-printer/lucid Do you have an idea why?
[16:27] <james_w> simon-o: package-import.ubuntu.com/status/system-config-printer.html
[16:27] <james_w> so it's hit a bug in the importer and so failed to import the most recent versions
[16:29]  * james_w heads out
[16:29] <simon-o> james_w, I see. thanks
[17:11] <bgamari> How exactly does mountall fit into the boot process?
[17:11] <bgamari> All but one of the kernels on my Lucid test machine will not boot
[17:11] <ion> It does the fsck, mount and swapon when devices appear.
[17:11] <bgamari> Instead they get stuck waiting for mountall
[17:11] <bgamari> I can't seem to coax any useful debugging output from it
[17:12] <bgamari> It emits upstart events as devices come up (i.e. root partition)
[17:13] <bgamari> ?
[17:13] <ion> I take it your kernels are new enough (≥ 2.6.32 IIRC) and not missing important configuration options?
[17:13] <bgamari> The only kernel that does work is my self-built 2.6.34-rc
[17:13] <bgamari> Even the -ubuntu kernels are failing
[17:15] <ion> Please provide the --debug output from mountall with a working kernel and a failing ubuntu kernel.
[17:15] <bgamari> ion, alright, give me a few minutes
[17:16] <bgamari> ion: It's --verbose, not --debug?
[17:16] <bgamari> vice versa rather
[17:16] <bgamari> --debug doesn't seem to be documented
[17:17] <ion> Add --debug >/dev/mountall.log 2>&1 to the ‘exec mountall ...’ line in /etc/init/mountall.conf
[17:18] <bgamari> yep
[17:18] <ion> Dunno why --help doesn’t list --debug.
[17:18] <bgamari> It would be helpful if --debug were reported in --help
[17:18] <bgamari> yeah
[17:19] <bgamari> I can open a bug for that if that would help
[17:19] <bgamari> I think libnih handles --help
[17:20] <bgamari> ion: I just realized, piping the output to a file might not be the beste idea
[17:20] <bgamari> I won't be able to read the file in the case of the non-working kernels
[17:20] <bgamari> I can put a serial console on the machine
[17:21] <ion> mkay, nih/option.c says --debug is deliberately hidden from --help.
[17:22] <bgamari> arg
[17:22] <ion> Do as you seem best, but you could always use sulogin.conf from http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/OMGBroken to get a command line.
[17:22] <ion> deem
[17:26] <kirkland> is it really, actually impossible to boot 10.04 with plymouth entirely disabled?
[17:27] <akk> kirkland: I've tried moving plymouth* out of /etc/init on two machines and it made no noticeable difference.
[17:27] <akk> both machines still boot fine, though I haven't tried with a gnome desktop after that
[17:31] <ScottK> kirkland: I think it's best described as not reliable.  plymouth handles some I/O serialization tasks (IDK the specifics), so it may work, but shouldn't be dependend on.
[17:31] <ScottK> </parrot mode>
[17:35] <kirkland> ScottK: hmm, okay;  that's make pure text-style server consoles impossible now?
[17:35] <ion> akk: Just wait until mountall really, really needs to interact with you. :-P
[17:35] <bgamari> ion: Well, it actually seems thata my hypothesis was wrong
[17:36] <bgamari> it's not mountall
[17:36] <bgamari> It seems I don't even get to mountall
[17:36] <bgamari> The working configuration gave me quite a bit of output
[17:36] <ScottK> kirkland: That's my recollection of how I've seen it explained.  IDK the details.
[17:36] <ScottK> I'm not saying you're at all wrong.
[17:36] <bgamari> the dead configuration doesn't produce much of anything
[17:37] <ion> bgamari: Did you try sulogin.conf? Do you get a command line in a virtual console?
[17:38] <bgamari> I do get a command line
[17:38] <bgamari> yes
[17:38] <bgamari> and root has been mounted
[17:39] <ion> Does mountall start at all?
[17:39] <bgamari> I really don't think so
[17:39] <bgamari> I didn't get any debugging output
[17:39] <ion> /dev/mountall.log doesn’t exist?
[17:41] <bgamari> one moment
[17:41] <bgamari> I wasn't redirecting to a file
[17:46] <bgamari> ion: Nope, mountall.log doesn't exist
[17:47] <ion> Ok, some job that has ‘start on starting mountall’ seems to block mountall then.
[17:48] <bgamari> ion, alright
[17:48] <ion> hwclock, plymouth, ureadahead on my system. Try commenting out the ‘start on...’ line from each job that starts on ‘starting mountall’. If that lets mountall start, try reverting that change one by one.
[17:49] <akk> Are there any programs for showing the upstart event tree, or for asking questions like "what jobs might block mountall" ?
[17:49] <ion> grep 'starting mountall' /etc/init/*.conf
[17:50] <akk> Works as long as it's only 1 level deep.
[17:50] <ScottK> persia: Congratulations.  You resolved the last non-sparc depwait in Main.
[17:50] <bgamari> akk, that would be nice
[17:50] <akk> bgamari: I've been idly thinking about trying to write something like that but was hoping it already existed. :)
[17:54] <akk> The upstart docs are still pretty sketchy, though.
[17:58] <bgamari> ion, akk: the problem was one of hwclock, plymount or ureadahead
[17:59] <bgamari> Enabling hwclock still works
[17:59] <bgamari> plymouth*
[18:01] <bgamari> the problem appears to be plymouth
[18:01] <ccheney> Mirv: ok will get that done soon
[18:02] <bgamari> ion, akk, yep, reverting plymouth.conf makes the machine unbootable again
[18:06] <ion> I’m not familiar enough with plymouth to give specific debugging tips, but you might try e.g. strace -s100000 -f -o/dev/plymouthd.strace /sbin/plymouthd --mode=boot --attach-to-session.
[18:06] <ion> Anyone here familiar with the inner workings of plymouth?
[18:07] <ion> plymouthd --mode=boot --attach-to-session --debug --debug-file=/dev/plymouthd.log might also be helpful.
[18:18] <bgamari> ion: alright
[18:21] <bgamari> ion: well, not much happened
[18:21] <bgamari> plymouth took control of the VT after producing some pretty generic debugging output
[18:22] <bgamari> mostly about it deciding whether or not to log
[18:23] <ion> Keybuk and slangasek have done a lot of work on plymouth, they should be able to help debug the issue.
[18:23] <bgamari> ion: alright
[18:23] <bgamari> thanks for your help!
[18:23] <bgamari> slangasek: ping
[18:42] <crimsun> hyperair: no, not always.
[18:43] <crimsun> hyperair: also, regarding that bug, the real fix is (I think, noted, but I'm not sure given my phone's acting oddly) to remove the pm-utils hook altogether
[18:44] <ion> bgamari: You should report a bug with all the information you have so far, asking for instructions for debugging further.
[18:55] <hyperair> crimsun: remove the hook? are all the audio drivers fixed well enough for it to be removed?
[19:04] <bgamari> Will Lucid really make it's scheduled release date?
[19:04] <bgamari> its*
[19:04] <bgamari> If I'm not mistaken, it's set to release in less than a week
[19:05] <hyperair> why wouldn't it?
[19:06] <bgamari> Yet several pretty important bugs remain unsolved (the IPv6 name resolution issue, a few boot issues I've heard people experiencing, the GEM memory leak was only solved a few days ago)
[19:06] <bgamari> just seems like there's been a lot of flux for being so late in the cycle
[19:06] <hyperair> there's an IPv6 issue?
[19:06] <hyperair> i haven't heard any boot issues
[19:06] <ScottK> As Ubuntu releases go, this is pretty calm.
[19:07] <hyperair> lol
[19:07] <bgamari> hyperair: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+source/glibc/+bug/417757
[19:07] <bgamari> ubottu: The Fix released is for Karmic
[19:08] <bgamari> oops, wrong nick
[19:08] <bgamari> hyperair: Still no fix for lucid
[19:08] <bgamari> yet we're in freeze
[19:08] <crimsun> hyperair: no, hence the comment in the bug report
[19:09] <bgamari> I'm having trouble digging up the boot issue
[19:09] <crimsun> hyperair: we discussed this upstream; ultimately we want the suspend notification over dbus instead of using pm-utils hooks.
[19:09] <hyperair> crimsun: hmm interesting. looks like there are a lot of things which want suspend notification over dbus, but upower isn't moving.
[19:10] <hyperair> that makes.. pulseaudio, gnome-screensaver, gnome-power-manager..
[19:11] <crimsun> lennart usually gets his way :)
[19:11] <hyperair> who's lennart?
[19:11] <crimsun> the creator of avahi and pulseaudio
[19:11] <hyperair> oh cool
[19:11] <hyperair> well, if he gets upower to budge, everyone will be happy =)
[19:12] <ScottK> bgamari: I don't think that ipv6 bug is valid for Lucid.   "oh hey all my ports are still blocked. only 80 seems to be opened." "we recommend that you do not host ___ and ___ and __ services"
[19:16] <hyperair> so that's what a DMZ means -- opening port 80.
[19:16] <bgamari> hah
[19:17] <bgamari> well, ath9k seems to be completely broken on my machine with the stock kernel
[19:17] <bgamari> locks up the machine hard
[19:18] <ScottK> Did you try linux-backports modules?
[19:18] <bgamari> A deadlock perhaps, Sysrq-W does nothing but output "SysRq : Show Blocked State
[19:18] <bgamari> ScottK: Nope, not yet
[19:18] <bgamari> I'll give it a try
[19:18] <ScottK> That may not be the exact package name.
[19:18]  * ScottK can never remember
[19:18] <bgamari> yeah, I know what you mean
[19:21] <akk>  /sbin/alsa-utils in lucid has comments explaining how to disable storing on an sysv-rc system, but not on upstart.
[19:21] <hyperair> ScottK: tab completion ftw
[19:22] <akk> The upstart file has start on starting rc RUNLEVEL=[06] and always calls exec /sbin/alsa-utils stop
[19:22] <akk> which looks like it's calling stop on boot, and nothing on shutdown, but actually it seems to be saving on shutdown and restoring on boot.
[19:23] <akk> I'm having trouble understanding how that works from the docs I've found (man 5 init and the upstart getting-started guide).
[19:28] <crimsun> akk: err?
[19:29] <crimsun> akk: if you want to disable storing, either move the upstart job out of the way, or comment out the invocation in the stop target
[19:30] <akk> crimsun: There doesn't seem to be a stop target. That's what I'm trying to understand -- why it gets called on shutdown at all.
[19:30] <akk> (and also how alsa-utils ever gets called with anything besides "stop" on startup)
[19:30] <crimsun> akk: I'm quite certain that /sbin/alsa-utils does have a stop target.
[19:30] <crimsun> line 376
[19:31] <akk> Yes, but it also has a start target. Don't they do different things?
[19:31] <crimsun> yes, and the start target is only invoked from the udev rule.
[19:31] <akk> Ah! So the upstart job is only for shutdown, not for startup?
[19:31] <crimsun> that's correct.
[19:32] <akk> And "start on starting rc RUNLEVEL=[06]" happens any time runlevel is changed?
[19:33] <crimsun> no, only when entering runlevels 0 or 6
[19:33] <akk> (so in this shutdown case, going from 2 to 0)
[19:33] <akk> Oh, right, sorry, I was thinking there was a dash there.
[19:34] <akk> Is that the recommended way to do something at shutdown -- "starting rc RUNLEVEL=[06]" ?
[19:35] <crimsun> "it depends." For that particular use case, it needed to be serialized, so starting rc RUNLEVEL is correct
[19:40] <akk> I'd like to understand this stuff better, and understand why starting rc is better here -- but I don't want to be a pest (you've already answered my main questions).
[19:41] <akk> If you have time to explain it (or know of good docs to read) I'd appreciate it, but if you don't have time, I quite understand.
[19:50] <jdong> *giggles* lucid RC's installer was at 884% of contacting NTP server
[19:51] <jdong> I'm using VMWare's magical autoinstaller though, so I don't know whose glitch that is, at ubiquity's startup
[20:06] <Sarvatt> jdong: if you're using the vmware autoinstaller be aware you'll probably have to mess with the xkb settings since it sets screwed up ones - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/548891
[20:06] <jdong> Sarvatt: yup, just did that.
[20:06] <jdong> thanks for the heads up
[20:07] <Sarvatt> pointed it out to a vmware guy yesterday and he said he can't reproduce with the beta versions - http://communities.vmware.com/community/beta/ws
[20:08] <jdong> ok so probably their beta version no longer uses SKIP
[20:36] <superm1> slangasek, it's a problem that we discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv-dev due to a change upstream in the behavior that broke upgraders.  re bug 550100, the fix is targetted, but that patch still isn't blessed - but we're hoping it will make it and be good to go
[20:36] <superm1> it causes some lipsync problems still
[22:06] <hdon> hi all. where is the repository for this project? https://launchpad.net/game
[22:12] <kklimonda> lp:game ?
[22:15] <hdon> kklimonda, lp?
[22:15] <hdon> that doesn't look like a url to me :(
[22:15] <rafl> hi there. i've wrote a couple of patches for the linux kernel to fix the issues #418282 and #512192 and put them in the elantech_fw41 branch at git://github.com/rafl/linux-2.6.git - however, i don't particularly feel like creating a launchpad account just to comment on the tickets. it'd be much appreciated if one of you guys, who presumably already have an account, would add that repo url to the tickets.
[22:16] <kklimonda> hdon: you can use it with bzr like bzr clone lp:game
[22:18] <hdon> kklimonda, oh... i'm very unfamiliar with bzr.. and it seems kind of like magic to me that "lp:game" could actually reference something on the internet!
[22:24] <kklimonda> hdon: you can use http://launchpad.net/game instead - the lp: is just a shortcut for the convienience of people using lp every day.
[22:48] <Brimstones> Some dick has banned my ip in #ubuntu
[22:50] <Brimstones> Going back to dumbing myself up and watching some tv then.
[22:52] <Brimstones> Hmm, ill just change ip and then do both things! :)
[22:54] <Brimstones> There
[23:23] <hdon> kklimonda, ahh
[23:27] <hdon> that's a cool feature


[08:31] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/scopeListPageHeaderScopeStyle
[08:34] <tsdgeos> camako: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/moreAsyncDash/+merge/241524
[08:34] <tsdgeos> err
[08:34] <tsdgeos> camako: sorry
[08:35] <tsdgeos> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/moreAsyncDash/+merge/241524
[08:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: CI is stuck again?
[08:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think yeah, they have issues with the phones all the time
[09:27] <tsdgeos> seems i broke the Navigation tests when the fix for departments landed :/
[09:27]  * tsdgeos gets to fix them
[09:27]  * tsdgeos wants CI back
[09:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it should be back now
[09:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, any MP you'd like retried?
[09:45] <tsdgeos> Saviq: with phones included?
[09:45] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/autopilot_drag_more
[09:53] <tsdgeos>  ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported seems a bit confused by vivid
[09:53] <tsdgeos> it's telling me that vlc is past support ?¿
[09:53] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, isn't it that because it's from universe?
[09:54] <tsdgeos> maybe
[09:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, restarted
[09:55] <tsdgeos> what's interesting is the "Can't be downloaded anymore" packages
[09:55] <tsdgeos> helps clean up cruft from upgrade to upgrade
[09:55] <Saviq> true
[09:58] <tsdgeos> like libupstart-app-launch2-dev
[10:04] <pstolowski> mzanetti, ping
[10:14] <mzanetti> pstolowski: pong
[10:15] <pstolowski> mzanetti, hey, do you know when is silo 9 going to land? anyone testing it?
[10:15] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I was meant to test this morning but I am in a terrible pain (worse in months), I cannot even lay in bed, will try to do later
[10:16] <tsdgeos> oh :/
[10:16] <tsdgeos> get better
[10:16] <Cimi> I have enough of this :(
[10:16] <mzanetti> popey: Saviq said he'll take over of friday. So I'm assuming he's testing it
[10:16] <Cimi> it's a nightmare
[10:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, I am
[10:18] <mzanetti> pstolowski: that was for you, 3 lines above ^, not popey
[10:18] <mzanetti> :)
[10:19] <pstolowski> mzanetti, ok :) thanks
[10:21] <pstolowski> Saviq, hmm, you were supposed to be off today?..
[10:24] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hey, can you prepare rtm branch for your department-jumping fix? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1343242
[10:24] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: i need to fix some qqmluitests that are failing because of it first
[10:25] <tsdgeos> shouldn't take long
[10:28] <Saviq> pstolowski, no, starting tomorrow
[10:28] <Saviq> pstolowski, we don't do separate MPs for rtm, but a single "staging" branch, similar to https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/rtm-14.09-staging/+merge/244568
[10:29] <Saviq> pstolowski, and department jumping will have to wait for our rtm silo 7 to land first
[10:31] <pstolowski> Saviq, sure, it will wait, i'm just collecting / preparing branches
[10:31] <Saviq> pstolowski, got it
[10:33] <Cimi> tsdgeos, landing 009 right?
[10:33] <tsdgeos> Cimi: do not know
[10:33] <Cimi> found a not-so-painful position
[10:33] <Cimi> iirc was 9, let's see
[10:34] <Cimi> yeah
[10:38] <Cimi> tsdgeos, Saviq might be unrelated, but in silo 9 the manage dash text colors are white on grey
[10:39] <Saviq> Cimi, right, I was supposed to write to tsdgeos about this
[10:39] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: ping
[10:40] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, pong
[10:40] <Cimi> mmm
[10:40] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: the count property of navigations, is it *always* avaialble, or only after navigation.loaded is true?
[10:40] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I see frame skips switching to/from the reddit scope
[10:41] <tsdgeos> you have good eyes sir :)
[10:41] <Cimi> tsdgeos, well they are many :D
[10:41] <tsdgeos> many eyes!?
[10:41] <tsdgeos> run to a doctor!
[10:41] <Cimi> lol
[10:42] <Cimi> skipped frames
[10:42] <tsdgeos> yes
[10:42] <tsdgeos> that is known, this branch just makes things better
[10:43] <tsdgeos> noone said it makes things perfectly smooth
[10:43] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yes, I mentioned reddit because it seems to be most affected
[10:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so, white-on-grey in Manage Dash header, we'd need the scopes scope to fix that, right?
[10:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, also, ETA on the navigation fix? could include in the silo, as have to rebuild anyway
[10:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i guess yes
[10:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: the navigation fix is waiting on pstolowski's answer
[10:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, k
[10:51] <tsdgeos> i have a thing in the mock that makes the code not work, but not sure if the mock is doing what the real plugin does or not
[10:51] <tsdgeos> because with the real plugin it seemed to work
[10:51]  * Saviq will wait for that then
[10:51] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, count is the number of child departments of given department model. i think loaded can be false in some cases - "m_loaded = !treeNode->isLeaf() && treeNode->childCount() > 0;" - this is what mhr3 put there, not sure what was the purpose of that property
[10:53] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: that doesn't answer my question on if count will always be valid or just after loaded is true :D
[10:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'm not sure about https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/scopeListPageHeaderScopeStyle/+merge/244578, do we really want the scope to control the visuals?
[10:54] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well, that's what they do everywhere, no?
[10:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, but they don't, here
[10:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I mean you overrode the delegates, not actually using CardCreator and such?
[10:55] <tsdgeos> yes
[10:55] <tsdgeos> i mean, i just did that because you wanted it :D
[10:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so yeah, the customizations will only control the header colours, which I'm not sure should be the case
[10:55] <tsdgeos> i can revert it again
[10:56] <tsdgeos> and you'll complain the header color is not the same header color than in the other scopes
[10:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, I wanted for the page header to have the correct color, it didn't seem like it did
[10:56] <tsdgeos> what is "the correct" color?
[10:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the one from designs ;)
[10:56] <tsdgeos> i.e. the one used by the scopes
[10:56] <tsdgeos> by not putting it in the scopes we have it in two places which means that they will get off sync easier
[10:57] <tsdgeos> but i'll discard it and hardcode the colors
[10:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I agree that the default in ScopeStyle seems wrong, simply, as they changed it in, I think, every scope
[11:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so maybe the default is what we should change
[11:00] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, it looks like count() will only be valid if loaded is true. (however, if it's a leaf, loaded will be false)
[11:01] <Saviq> pstolowski, yeah, because a leaf has no children, so there's no loading
[11:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you got me lost there
[11:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: default of what?
[11:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hardcode for now
[11:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and we'll find out whether we should change the default in ScopeStyle
[11:02] <pstolowski> Saviq, yeah
[11:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and maybe use it then
[11:05] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: so loaded will be always false for leaves?
[11:05] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, looks to me that way, yes.
[11:06] <tsdgeos> that's terrible :/
[11:07] <dandrader> Saviq, could you show me the log with the test errors for https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/greeterRefactoring/+merge/243823
[11:07] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: we started to use the count to know if on a "jump" i'm on a leaf or not, but i can't use the count until it's loaded and now you say for leaves loaded is never true, so can't basically use rowCount :/
[11:07] <dandrader> Saviq, they pass on my machine
[11:07] <tsdgeos> which means that fix doesn't work at all
[11:07] <Saviq> dandrader, sure, sec
[11:07] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, somehow it worked, i tested it...
[11:08] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, but i hear you...
[11:08] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: sure, because i'm ignoring loaded for now
[11:08] <tsdgeos> but i should not
[11:08]  * dandrader merges trunk and tries again
[11:09] <Saviq> dandrader, it could, in theory, be related to one of the other MPs in the silo, but nothing springs to mind (and having reverted your MP the tests passed) http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu&q=landing-009
[11:09] <dandrader> Saviq, so you're not getting these errors locally but on the silo?
[11:10] <Saviq> dandrader, yes, locally
[11:10] <Saviq> dandrader, just testing on trunk + your branch now
[11:12] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: so either we decide that count will always be immediately available (as it seems to be in your plugin but not on my mock)
[11:12] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, shall i report loaded=true for leaves then? we would need to think what happens when scope says 'no leaves' for deaprtment foo, and then changes its mind later with another search
[11:12] <tsdgeos> of if we need to make count wait on loaded i need it to be true
[11:13] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: loaded true for leaves would be nice
[11:13] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, i cannot make count immediately available (well, it's always available, just 0 if not loaded ;))
[11:14] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: honestly i'd replace
[11:14] <tsdgeos>     m_loaded = !treeNode->isLeaf() && treeNode->childCount() > 0;
[11:14] <tsdgeos> with
[11:15] <tsdgeos> m_loaded = true;
[11:18] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hmm i would be more comfortable setting it true only if isLeaf() is true OR childCount > 0
[11:19] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: ok
[11:19] <Saviq> dandrader, huh, now they passed, as you were, then
[11:20] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ok, i'll create branch for that
[11:20] <tsdgeos> tx
[11:20] <dandrader> Saviq, \o/
[11:25] <facundobatista> Hola!
[11:32] <Saviq> o/
[11:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, looks like CI is back indeed
[11:32] <tsdgeos> yep
[11:43] <Saviq> greyback_, just noticed where `hash -d` beats jump or wd, it actually gets expanded by the shell, so you can use it in all commands and it will Just Work™
[11:48] <greyback_> Saviq: hmmm true
[11:49] <greyback_> but I've never missed that before, so I'll stick with jump :)
[11:56] <Saviq> greyback_, sure, just saying
[11:57] <greyback_> Saviq: yep, good find tho
[11:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, please let me know when you have the test fix and the colour hardcoding, need to rebuild the silo then
[11:59] <tsdgeos> yeah working on the test thing
[11:59] <tsdgeos> it's not a test only change
[11:59] <tsdgeos> needs reworkingg
[12:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah I understand
[12:04] <tsdgeos> and this think it's very fragile
[12:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not trying to put pressure here, just asking for a ping when you're ready
[12:04] <tsdgeos> broke it all on the rework
[12:24] <dandrader> oh, it seems Jenkins has returned from the dead
[12:25] <dandrader> tsdgeos, does that look familiar? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-vivid/203/?#showFailuresLink
[12:25] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yeah fixing them
[12:27] <tsdgeos> they snuck while CI was ahving a sleep
[13:07] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hey, just accidentally flashed vivid to my dogfooding phone. and now that I see it with many installed apps, I noticed that the issue with disappearing icons on scrolling is back
[13:14] <greyback> Saviq: could I get a +1 please? https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtubuntu/gles-sync/+merge/244621
[13:16] <greyback> anyone seeing this with building unity8 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9528509/
[13:21] <Saviq> greyback, no
[14:03] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yes
[14:04] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: there's so much i can do between "don't load everything to not kill the phone" and "things are not there if i scroll fast"
[14:05] <mzanetti> I see
[14:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/moreAsyncDash/+merge/241524 may or may not help
[14:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: for the test fix, we need a unity-scopes-shell fix
[14:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: should it go into a separate silo or the same silo you're preparing?
[14:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, if there's an MP up, let's land it together, pstolowski?
[14:15] <Saviq> ah it's already in a separate silo
[14:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let's land separately then, I'm just waiting for the manage dash colors then
[14:16] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/scopeListPageHeaderScopeStyle/+merge/244737
[14:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, thank
[14:26] <Saviq> s
[14:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/autopilot_drag_more autopilot passed
[14:29] <tsdgeos> maybe merge?
[14:29] <tsdgeos> while we decide what to do with the qt code
[14:29] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, you thinking it's better than before? apart from the backwards gesture?
[14:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well it workarunds the backwards gesture thing
[14:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, think it would make sense to abstract to a function?
[14:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the rate calculation at least
[14:31] <tsdgeos> by making sure we just move in multiples of the move
[14:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: one line?
[14:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hmm? 25-26 and 44-50 look the same?
[14:32] <tsdgeos> they don't
[14:33] <tsdgeos> one is forward and the other backward
[14:33] <Saviq> hmm jump and width
[14:33] <Saviq> ah ok
[14:33] <Saviq> not like it couldn't be made work, but ok
[14:33] <tsdgeos> sure, i can move rate, jump and divisions to a function that returns jump and divisions
[14:33] <tsdgeos> the amount of code would be probably more than less
[14:36] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: Saviq: one day, we need to code the ubuntushape to png cacher, i feel sad every time i think the billions of battery power we're wasting in shaping icons again and again and again and again
[14:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, bug #1311599 indeed
[14:54] <draven33> need some help with compiz in 14.04  i activatewd dual loghin compoz and metacity an can't align the 3d windows on the cube they form outside the cube
[15:07] <Saviq> greyback, I must say the global history in zsh trips me up every time
[15:07] <greyback> Saviq: yep
[15:07] <greyback> I tried turning it off but didn't succeed somehow
[15:07] <greyback> but I got more used to ^R to use old commands
[15:08] <Saviq> indeed, which is probably better in the long run anyway
[15:08] <greyback> that was my thinking, but I still miss up-up-enter being reliable
[15:08] <greyback> one of those things I wanted to fix, but never got the time
[15:25] <Saviq> pstolowski, is https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-scopes-shell/manage-dash-rtm/+merge/244117 supposed to be WiP still?
[15:26] <Saviq> pstolowski, and is anything beyond what's in http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu-rtm&q=landing-007 needed in this silo (apart from the unity8 changes which I'll take care of?
[15:26] <Saviq> )
[15:27] <om26er> rsalveti, this time after taking the photo, I got a crash again https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/ca4ad358-846d-11e4-b78b-fa163e5bb1a2
[15:27] <om26er> and now I am sure I have the right tarball and the silo.
[15:30] <Saviq> cwayne, hey, question for you, as I saw you had a PPA with galileo (the fitbit sync thing), does it work reliably for you?
[15:30] <cwayne> Saviq: it did until i got the new fitbit, but i think i may just need to update it
[15:39] <Saviq> cwayne, my wife got a Flex and it's only really working once after the dongle's plugged in / galileo restarted
[15:39] <Saviq> cwayne, could be
[15:40] <cwayne> Saviq: hm, i do recall the dongle needs to be plugged in to start it, but it should also try to respawn if it failed to start
[15:40] <cwayne> Saviq: but once it's plugged in and restarted, it works?
[15:40] <Saviq> cwayne, I mean that unless I unplug and replug, it doesn't work, it only works the first time after I plug the dongle and restart the service
[15:40] <Saviq> cwayne, at least that seems to be the case, did not dig in too much
[15:41] <cwayne> ah, that is odd
[15:42] <Saviq> and there's so many warnings/errors in the log it's unclear which are benign...
[15:47] <tsdgeos> dednick: do you think you could add a second line in the commit message of https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/lp1385331.led/+merge/241417 explaing a bit more what's going on? i mean it does what seems quite a bit of refactor in plugins/Unity/Indicators
[15:48] <pstolowski> Saviq, no, it shouldn't be wip. unity-scopes-shell needs additional fix from the vivid silo you tested today
[15:50] <rsalveti> om26er: can you always get that crash?
[15:51] <rsalveti> it seems quite weird, not necessarily related with that silo
[15:51] <rsalveti> let me flash again and re-test that silo
[15:51] <om26er> rsalveti, first camera-app crashed for me, then next time gallery-app crashed
[15:51] <rsalveti> that's weird, shouldn't be related
[15:51] <om26er> this silo does not feel safe to me
[15:52] <rsalveti> and victor didn't get any crash
[15:52] <rsalveti> well, will try to reproduce first
[15:52] <rsalveti> this is the first time you got the right setup it seems
[15:52] <om26er> the thumbnailer works in gallery, so the gallery crashed at the stage when it was creating thumbnails, same for camera-app it crashed after it took the photo
[15:58] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Hey, question about the Unity 8 windows.  Is it possible to open a window already maximized, ie, no surface resize after the window is opened?
[16:02] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend: not yet
[16:06] <tsdgeos> dednick: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/lp1385331.led/+merge/241417/comments/603644
[16:07] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Ok.  It would be very helpful for XMir apps to do this since resizing is not yet supported between XMir/Mir/Unity8 and opening maximized would be an easier short term solution.
[16:07] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Right now Xmir apps are basically useless in desktop mode.
[16:08] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend: noted. I'll see what I can do
[16:08] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Thank you!
[16:15] <tsdgeos> dednick: how do i add/remove messages?
[16:15] <dednick> tsdgeos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9530101/
[16:15] <dednick> tsdgeos: need to install libmessage-menu-dev python-gi
[16:16] <tsdgeos> dednick: and how do i remove them?
[16:16] <dednick> tsdgeos: stop the script running
[16:16] <tsdgeos> ah, ok
[19:15] <Saviq> greyback, still here? could you prep an MP with the sigstop raise in mock AppMan?
[19:15] <Saviq> (in unity8 that is)
[19:15] <greyback> Saviq: am here. Ok
[19:15] <Saviq> greyback, otherwise AP tests hang
[19:16] <greyback> ah feck yeah
[19:22] <greyback> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity8/sigstop-emit-for-AP/+merge/244781 shoulddo, not tested yet tho
[19:23] <Saviq> greyback, why not in AppMan's c'tor?
[19:24] <Saviq> just asking, not saying it's wrong
[19:24] <greyback> Saviq: mainly to match what I did in qtmir
[19:24] <Saviq> kk
[19:25] <greyback> don't think it's possible to copy AppMan
[21:16] <dkessel> ChrisTownsend: good news. I cannot reproduce the freezing bug anymore with current unity8-in-lxc! i am actually currently using it
[21:25] <ChrisTownsend> dkessel: Awesome, glad to hear it!
[21:32] <dkessel> i cannot enable automatic crash reporting using the UI from lxc it seems
[21:32] <ChrisTownsend> dkessel: I don't think there is automatic crash reporting yet in Unity 8.
[21:33] <dkessel> ChrisTownsend: oh okay


[19:29]  * snwh is away: Away
[19:29]  * snwh is back (gone 00:00:01)
[21:40]  * xnox thinks.... maybe be gone for just a little while, but it was not specified how many timezones were crossed ;-)