[00:48] <ogasawara> bjf: thanks.  out of curiosity, which test?
[00:48] <bjf> ogasawara: seccomp_filter
[09:39]  * ppisati -> dentist
[10:53] <ppisati> anyone with upload rights, could you bump linux-meta-ti-omap4 in P? thanks
[11:00] <apw> ppisati, will do, could you rebase linux-ti-omap4 again, there is an important security fix in the -10 series which you are missing, though i presume you'd go straigt to -11
[11:01] <apw> ppisati, your bits are still in the new queue, so i can't do -meta yet
[11:03] <ppisati> ah ok
[11:04] <ppisati> i wanted to unf*ck the kernel first
[11:04] <ppisati> since the images are screwed without this update
[11:04] <ppisati> i'll do all the rebase today
[11:04] <apw> ppisati, yep, thats reasonable
[11:05] <apw> ppisati, oh that reminds me, sometime soon we want to retire the lucid/mvl-dove and start doing the work on maverick/mvl-dove
[11:08] <ppisati> uhm, i din't touch any LMN kernels because i thought we were going to retire them soon
[11:08] <apw> that has yet to be decided, those manager types are still talking
[11:34] <smb> herton, Morning, you probably had not much time yet to settle down, but there has been a new release of 2.6.32.y since yesterday. Would you plan on pulling that for the next round of proposed that was just started?
[11:35] <herton> smb, no, I think it can wait for the next round, unless there is something we want from this update
[11:39] <smb> herton, Must admit I have not looked too deeply in there. Some random mmap thing sticks out in the headers. But things can be rather theoretical. This one does not yet seem to include anything about the ioctl fixup.
[11:39] <smb> So I am fine either way. Just means I can do the ec2 rebase now. ;)
[11:39] <apw> there is always a new round of -stable, they never end
[11:39] <smb> exactly
[11:40] <apw> at least with a 3 week candance we don't get more than 2 in any release
[11:40] <smb> Was just wondering because this week is preparation week
[11:40] <apw> smb, they all went up yesteday i think, so missed
[11:40] <herton> smb, what's this ioctl issue?
[11:40] <smb> apw, Indeed they did
[11:41] <ppisati> the only thing certain in life is death, taxes and SRUs
[11:41] <herton> hehe. yes, lucid finished build yesterday, we already have the packages done now for this round
[11:43] <apw> smb, have we lost voice between you and me?  i heard you, ...
[11:43] <apw> smb, herton and cking can hear me
[11:43] <apw> smb, yay
[11:45] <smb> herton, something to prevent / reject some ioctl calls on block devices. Not 100% sure whether that included also checking capabilites or just irgnoring some
[11:45] <herton> ok
[11:49] <ppisati> upgrading a beagle to P is a royal PITA!
[11:50] <apw> ppisati, surly not for an ARM expert like you :)
[12:03] <ogra_> ppisati, just estimate a week or two for it aynd dont be impatient ;)
[12:04] <ppisati> :(
[12:05]  * ogra_ hasnt touched beagles since two releases to prevent people around me from getting hurt and furniture in my house from breaking all of a sudden :)
[12:06] <ppisati> do you use the boards to keep the furniture in place? :)
[12:06] <ogra_> lol
[12:06] <ogra_> well, one is my printserver, one monitors my heating system for the house and one sits on a shelf collecting dust
[12:07] <ogra_> the printserver one is actually nailed to the bottom of the printer table so you could say it keeps the furniture together at least :)
[12:08] <cking> apw, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Linux
[12:11]  * ppisati -> lunch
[12:58]  * tgardner bounces tangerine at the top of the hour
[13:09] <ppisati> no patch applied to fsl-imx51 in 3 weeks?
[13:18]  * tgardner reboots gomeisa for security kernel update
[13:22] <herton> ppisati: yep, no new patches
[13:22]  * herton having extra fun this morning with a dying hard disk
[13:40] <ppisati> uhm
[13:41] <ppisati> my natty repository is hosed
[13:41] <ppisati> error: refs/remotes/origin/ti-omap4 does not point to a valid object!
[13:41] <ppisati> why it happens?
[13:53] <smb> because
[13:55] <apw> ppisati, does your repo have an alternative (.git/objects/info/alternatives) and is it still there
[14:00] <ppisati> apw: nope
[14:01] <apw> then thats not normal
[14:02] <apw> .git/objects/info/alternates <- sorry its alternates
[14:02] <apw> ppisati, &&
[14:02] <ppisati> [flag@newluxor ubuntu-natty]$ ls -la .git/objects/info/*
[14:02] <ppisati> -rw-rw-r-- 1 flag flag 54 2012-01-26 14:51 .git/objects/info/packs
[14:02] <ppisati> btw
[14:03] <ppisati> it doesn't complain anymore now
[14:34] <herton> ppisati: the maverick ti-omap4 pull is missing the tracking bug in the changelog
[14:45] <joshhunt__> I've got a question about USNs if anyone can help. USN-1336-1 and USN-1342-1 provide the same patch. I see that 1342 applies to 10.04 and is a backport of oneiric. Is that the only difference?
[14:46] <apw> ppisati, its stopped complaining, be afraid
[14:47] <apw> joshhunt__, i believe that there is a USN per release yes, so thats entirly possible, touch you might like to confirm on #ubuntu-security
[14:48] <ppisati> herton: sh*t! i was sure i ran the verify-release-check script
[14:49] <ppisati> ah
[14:49] <ppisati> herton: i had it local but i din't add/commit the change
[14:50] <herton> ok, yeah sometimes happens :)
[14:50] <joshhunt__> apw: thanks I'll check there
[14:52] <ppisati> herton: ok, i fixed it now
[14:53] <herton> ppisati: ack
[15:02] <apw> ppisati, tgardner, they have just new'd linux-ti-omap4, am doing meta
[15:03] <tgardner> apw, ack
[15:04] <apw> ppisati, ok its in the pipe
[15:08]  * herton -> lunch
[15:11] <apw> ogasawara, so -8 -> -9 was 3.2.1 and "top down" coming in, the kexec vomit, and a small number of configs
[15:13] <ogasawara> apw: definitely looks like some arm changes that went in
[15:13] <apw> ogasawara, its a biggie, ppisati has a fun day ahead of him
[15:13] <apw> ppisati, you might want to see if     UBUNTU: [Config] CONFIG_USB_FILE_STORAGE is deprecated
[15:13] <apw> anything to do with it
[15:13] <ppisati> ok, i'll do
[15:15] <ogasawara> ppisati: keep us posted.  I'm planning one more upload anyways before the milestone, so I'll hold the upload until I hear from you.  I ideally want to upload by end of day tomorrow.
[15:15] <ppisati> ogasawara: ok, i'll do
[15:16] <tgardner> ogasawara, am running Precise master-next w/3.2.2 stable on several machines. seems OK so far.
[15:17] <ogasawara> tgardner: cool.  was just about to do a build and test.
[15:17] <ogasawara> tgardner: thanks for doing the rebase by the way.
[15:18] <tgardner> ogasawara, I was motivated 'cause xfstests was causing some oops on  my emerald. gonna retry it this AM
[15:18] <diwic> ogasawara, thanks for uploading the kernel yesterday, but is it normal for it to not be published at this time?
[15:19] <ogasawara> diwic: normally it would have been built and published by now, but it seems powerpc is taking longer than usual to build.
[15:19] <diwic> ogasawara, ok, so a little slower than usual, but no need to worry yet. Right?
[15:21] <ogasawara> diwic: I hope not.  when I checked this morning powerpc was estimated to start building in about 2 more hours.
[15:21] <diwic> ok.
[15:26]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:49] <apw> tgardner, alt-F10 should toggle max by defualt it seems
[15:50] <tgardner> apw, it maximizes, but down't minimize (which isn't a toggle)
[15:59] <apw> tgardner, thats poo
[16:00] <apw> documentation for this thing isn't worth a shit
[16:07] <tgardner> apw, is this the correct invocation: sudo client/bin/autotest --output_dir=$HOME/autotest.wrk client/tests/xfstests/control
[16:07] <apw> that should work if the control file makes sense
[16:07] <apw> tgardner, the normal form is that, but remember the control files in the test directories are mean as samples
[16:07] <tgardner> well, everything is failing at this point, but it does build the xfstests correctly
[16:08] <apw> and you are meant to put together one representing the tests combinations you want to run
[16:10] <tgardner> apw, the xfstests control file appears to be correct, but I did have to add TEST_DEV and TEST_DIR
[16:10] <apw> tgardner, as the commentary there indicates, thats why they can only be seen as samples
[16:50] <jsalisbury> tgardner, who is our omap expert, Palo?  bug 921934
[16:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 921934 in linux "mmc no longer detected on omap (BeagleXM) since <IP_ADDRESS>" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921934
[17:02] <tgardner> jsalisbury, he is, and I think he's aware of this bug
[17:02] <jsalisbury> tgardner, cool, thanks.
[17:08] <tgardner> ppisati, ^^
[17:10] <__cr3> hi guys,i have a question.what do u guys expect from a fresher who wants to work in a company like canonical,redhat..etc which concentrates on kernel development...
[17:13] <jsalisbury> smb, are you our virtual guy :-)  bug 921816
[17:13] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 921816 in linux "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000030" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921816
[17:13] <mfilipe> hi guys! is there kernel-3.2 for oneiric?
[17:14]  * apw calls it a day ...
[17:14] <jsalisbury> smb, actually it's an EC2 issue
[17:16] <arges> sforshee, could you hear me on mumble?
[17:16] <jsalisbury> arges, we can hear you
[17:16] <sforshee> arges, we can hear you but you can't hear us
[17:16] <arges> jsalisbury, sforshee yea I've had this problem for the last couple of weeks
[17:16] <arges> let me try to fix it
[17:18] <herton> ppisati: the oneiric ti-omap4 has a problem in the changelog, the email closing the change is outdated (and with extra <>)
[17:18] <mfilipe> ogasawara, is there any kernel 3.2 for oneiric?
[17:19] <ogasawara> mfilipe: not to my knowledge.  We only do the backport kernels for the previous LTS release.
[17:19] <mfilipe> hum... thanks!
[17:20] <ogasawara> mfilipe: if it's just for testing purposes, you could try installing the precise kernel in oneiric.
[17:22] <mfilipe> no, I went a 3.2 official for oneiric. I didn't know that you won't backport kernels for oneiric and this is only for LTS release.
[17:25]  * ogasawara bails for appointment, back in a bit
[17:27] <ppisati> jsalisbury: yep, i'm already on it
[17:27] <ppisati> herton: let me check...
[17:27] <jsalisbury> ppisati, thanks
[17:30] <lamont> herton: fwiw, -33 has been happy for about 24 hours
[17:31] <lamont> I'm going to go to -35 a bit later today
[17:33] <herton> lamont: hmm good to know. Points to a possible regression in the kernel indeed. I was playing with adjtimex, could help debugging in the bad kernel if it is indeed a kernel issue
[17:33] <lamont> will advise
[19:46] <ppisati> lpMMC on Beagleboard depends on TWL4030's GPIO lines, re-enable it.
[19:46] <ppisati> See also:
[19:46] <ppisati> ops
[19:46] <ppisati> lp921934
[19:46] <ppisati> bug 921934
[19:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 921934 in linux "mmc no longer detected on omap (BeagleXM) since <IP_ADDRESS>" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921934
[19:47] <ppisati> ogasawara: ^^ - fix sent to the ml
[19:47] <ogasawara> ppisati: ack, thanks.
[20:24] <tgardner> ogasawara, pushed with some ABI directory module file corrections
[20:25] <ogasawara> tgardner: cool thanks.  I was also going to add it to the config enforcer, just about have the patch done.
[20:25] <tgardner> ogasawara, is that one worthy of enforcement ? I guess I don't know what it even does.
[20:26] <tgardner> sconklin, xfstests: Failed 26 of 167 tests
[20:26] <ogasawara> tgardner: we'll we'd flipped it to =m across the board per our review policy, so I'd like to have it in the enforcer so we don't forget and make the same mistake again.
[20:26] <sconklin> Are you running the test list that I modified, or all tests?
[20:26] <tgardner> ogasawara, ah, good idea.
[20:27] <sconklin> see changes to control file
[20:27] <patrickmw> bjf, I've run into all types of situations which is why I asked for more info
[20:27] <tgardner> sconklin, I got tired of trying to get autotest to work, so I just ran ./check
[20:27] <patrickmw> bjf, you have a few options here
[20:27] <bjf> tgardner: i had no trouble getting it to work
[20:28] <sconklin> tgardner: then you get to keep all the pieces. A bunch of the xfstest tests don't apply to ext4, so you have to set up a list of ones to run
[20:28] <tgardner> I don't seem to be able to get any of the tests to run under the autotest umbrella
[20:28] <tgardner> wonder what I've got wrong
[20:29] <tgardner> sconklin, mostly I was looking for kernel crashes, which is why I ran everything.
[21:14]  * cking bails out
[21:58]  * tgardner -> EOD
[22:51] <manjo> sconklin, SRU Question..
[22:52] <manjo> will this patch make it in 11.10 though updates? or do I need to SRU it ?
[22:52] <manjo> commit c510eae377c773241ff0b6369a8f3581da941a51
[22:52] <manjo> Author: Oliver Neukum<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:52] <manjo> Date: Wed Sep 21 11:41:45 2011 +0200
[22:52] <manjo>     btusb: add device entry for Broadcom SoftSailing
[22:56] <manjo> ogasawara, ^ ? you know ?
[22:56] <sconklin> manjo: ask Brad or Herton, I'm on rotation to QA this cycle and I'm not following stable
[22:56] <manjo> ah ok
[22:57] <manjo> bjf, ^ :)
[22:57] <manjo> oops looks like its in 11.10 already ...
[22:58] <herton> manjo, it's included in 3.0.9, probably going in -proposed or already released
[22:58] <manjo> herton, thanksa ton ...
[22:59] <herton> manjo, released in 3.0.0-14.23
[23:00] <manjo> hmmm I seem to have <IP_ADDRESS> (that is what uname says)
[23:02] <manjo> herton, sorry my bad... I think I messed up the IDs when I did a search
[23:10] <Fudge> hi is this audio device supported in precise kernels Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
[23:10] <Fudge> been getting scratchy sound for first few minutes until seemingly extra audio streams come in
[23:10] <ohsix> it wouldn't be showing up or making any sound if it wasn't supported
[23:11] <Fudge> ok
[23:11] <Fudge> so should ask pulse guys about scratchy sound?
[23:13] <Fudge> thanks ohsix


[01:10] <persia> slangasek: So, did you want the 29th 20:00 slot?  If not, I need to prep for it :)
[01:48] <ScottK> slangasek: texlive-latex-base is currently uninstallable due to depending on luatex.  luatex is a depends now.  It looks to me like it's either a MIR for luatex (at a glance I think all it's depends/rdepends are in Main) or rip all the luatex stuff out of texlive-latex-base.  I'd rather keep it so we can sync Tex stuff from Debian.  What do you think?
[13:50] <derknecht> i have a encrypted ubuntu 9.10 installed, and had problems with grub2, i am now using grub1 (from my gentoo installation)  and want to know how the kernel line in menu.lst should look like for booting a encrypted root file system (installed with alternate cd). Thanks a lot.
[13:52] <persia> derknecht: You might get more support in #ubuntu : this isn't a support channel, and it's a weekend, when lots of people don't pay attention to this channel.
[13:53] <derknecht> persia: k, thanks
[13:54] <persia> derknecht: Good luck.
[14:08] <derknecht> persia: solved :D
[14:09] <persia> Excellent!
[16:12] <LLStarks> hi, if i have a grievance about a dev decision regarding lucid, do i put it here or in ubuntu+1?
[16:13] <ion> Either, if you want nothing to happen. If you want someone to notice it, file a bug report or a blueprint, depending on the type of your wish.
[16:16] <persia> bug report is generally better for something described as a grievance (unless it is of the class of "Why isn't there a pony on the CD?".
[16:16] <LLStarks> it's about the new bottom-tabbed nautilus
[16:17] <LLStarks> it sucks
[16:17] <persia> But for "Why did my pony get taken away?", a bug report is definitely better.
[16:17] <persia> That's "Why did my pony get replaced by an aardvark?", and also better as a bug.
[16:17] <LLStarks> it is so annoying that i want to e-punch the person that signed off on it
[16:18] <LLStarks> also, i'm unsure of the proper mailing list
[16:18] <persia> Run `ubuntu-bug nautilus` on a system experiencing it.
[16:18] <geser> I got hit by this "feature" too on the first time: I opened several tabs till I noticed that they're at the bottom now
[16:19] <persia> Bugs written from the viewpoint of "How usability can be improved by restoring previous behaviour" without e-punches tend to get the best treatment.
[16:20] <LLStarks> don't these sort of bugs have an omnipresence that every developer and their dog should already know about?
[16:21] <LLStarks> or are devs so foolish as to not see the repercussions of their enhancements?
[16:22] <persia> As you've seen, a developer has been hit with that bug.  Doesn't mean anyone filed it, or that anyone is working on reverting it.
[16:22] <persia> More than anything, these things need discussion.
[16:23] <LLStarks> as  far as i heard, the people that decided said the decision was closed.
[16:24] <LLStarks> and was an upstream thing
[16:24] <persia> Ah, if that's documented in an upstream bug, then, yeah, Ubuntu is likely to follow that.
[16:24] <persia> Your best bet is to continue the discussion upstream.
[16:26] <geser> LLStarks: gnome bug #606027
[16:27] <LLStarks> thanks.
[17:28] <sebner> persia: that's not a bug that's a decision upstream made (I hope it'll be reverted though)
[17:29] <persia> sebner: A "bug" is how we describe anything that represents an atomic change to software.
[17:30] <persia> It's not like a crash, but I stand by my opinion that a bug tracker is the best place to discuss it.
[17:30] <sebner> persia: Sure, but wondering if you can declare something upstream decided as "bug"
[17:30] <persia> Why not, if I disagree.
[17:31] <persia> Doesn't mean they have to fix it :)
[17:31] <sebner> persia: It's always a question of how much influence the users have and how stubborn upstream is
[17:32] <persia> And the quality and strength of arguments for each viewpoint.
[17:32] <hyperair> if we're not reverting that stupid commit, i'm going to be maintaining a custom build of nautilus.
[17:33] <hyperair> and if more of this stupidity continues happening, i might just end up in gentoo ¬_¬
[17:33] <sebner> persia: haha, speaking of strength and quality ... "Too much stuff is already up there so let's put it down to the bottom" ..
[17:33] <persia> sebner: If you have a stronger argument (for either viewpoint), please add it to that bug.
[17:34] <sebner> persia: My opinion is already covered by the present comments and I think they are pretty valid
[17:34] <persia> There you go then :)
[17:35] <hyperair> persia: so what happens when we all have very nice and valid comments, but upstream continues to be stubborn?
[17:35] <hyperair> s/comments/arguments against tabs-at-bottom/
[17:36] <sebner> hyperair: accept it, change distro, custom nautilus build :P
[17:37] <Ng> what does changing distro have to do with what gnome upstream is doing?
[17:37] <hyperair> >_>
[17:37] <persia> hyperair: If upstream will not change, there are three choices: 1) fork, 2) make a distro-level change 3) make a personal change.
[17:37] <sebner> Ng: Kubuntu ;)
[17:37] <persia> I don't think it's worth changing distros just because you want to apply some patch.
[17:38] <hyperair> Ng: i'm just saying, if more stupidity comes from multiple different apps, and i end up maintaining custom builds of several different apps, i might as well go gentoo where i have to compile every damn thing anyway.
[17:38] <sebner> persia: I didn't say anything about being worth it, it's just an option
[17:39] <Ng> hyperair: sounds like a lot of effort just to move a tab bar ;)
[17:39] <hyperair> Ng: well, GNOME upstream has been rather stupid lately.
[17:40] <hyperair> Ng: you never know what they're going to do next.
[17:44] <hyperair> oh by the way, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/509079
[17:44] <hyperair> we've got an ubuntu bug as well.
[18:46] <jcastro> you could probably maintain your own patchset like the nautilus-elementary folks do
[19:56] <ScottK> On the off chance there's an archive admin with shell access around .... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel/luatex/0.50.0-1 still needs promotion to Mail.
[19:58] <ScottK> Mail/Main
[22:46] <gavintlgold> can someone explain to me what "sudo apt-get remove programname{p}" does? I'm not talking about apt-get remove in general but adding the {p} to the end of the name.
[22:47] <gavintlgold> I'm assuming it removes instances of the app installed via the "make install" command after compiling. is this assumption correct?
[22:48] <owen1> my dell uses Elantech touchpad and I can't configure it. i contacted dell and they refered me to cananical. i didn't hear back from canonical.  who is the maintainer of elantech driver?
[22:49] <owen1> someone told me EEEpc also has it and it's possible to configure it.
[22:49] <owen1> can you guys direct me toward a solution?
[22:51] <owen1> here is a link to someone how wrote a driver -  http://arjan.opmeer.net/elantech/
[22:51] <owen1> it's noo complex for me to understand it though.
[22:52] <RAOF> gavintlgold: No, that's not correct.
[22:53] <RAOF> gavintlgold: There's no way (in general) to remove instances of an app installed via “make install”, and it's outside the scope of the package manager.
[22:53] <RAOF> gavintlgold: What {p} means is “purge” which, in addition to removing the package, also removes the (system wide) config files - ie: stuff in /etc.
[23:28] <owen1> how to find a maintainer of a touchpad driver?
[23:58] <soreau> Hey I was wondering, where are the settings stored that gnome-window-properties sets?
[23:58] <soreau> I assume somewhere in ~/.gconf, but which key?
[23:59] <soreau> Trying to figure out how to change the titlebar doubleclick action without gnome-window-properties


[01:38] <akgraner> hey is the Ubuntu Friendly site still beta?
[01:39] <akgraner> I have to clean up an article that's going into the next issue of Ubuntu User and I noticed it still says beta on the pages is that still true?
[05:18] <Lirusaito> So... is this channel only used when organized tests are being conducted and not actively for discussing the testing version of ubuntu(in this case, Precise)?
[20:45] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all
[20:45] <Lirusaito> Hi


[04:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: FYI, tomorrow's images should have the messaging indicator back
[13:48] <madnick> knome: could you give me the transperant textbox? :)
[14:03] <charlie-tca> Desktop live session logs in after selecting session today
[14:03] <charlie-tca> Can not install from desktop, no password accepted
[14:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : thank you for the live sessions today
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Install from the menu is working
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Haven't tried the alternate images yet, but I seen a bug report that they are still broken until tomorrow
[14:39] <charlie-tca> Alternate images verified broken
[15:04] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: users are not added to the login screen after installing. hitting "Other...", entering the user name and password allows login though.
[15:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: same on preinstalled, lightdm bug I think (I'd actually prefer to keep it that way personally)
[15:41] <micahg> charlie-tca: and we're no longer oversized
[15:41] <charlie-tca> Yeah, got that one. Thank you very much!
[15:42] <charlie-tca> I don't mind that so much as not being able to install from the live session. But one step at a time. We HAVE a live session :)
[15:42] <charlie-tca> micahg: Have you found any arm images for us yet?
[15:42] <micahg> no, but I haven't looked
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I been looking, but forgot today. Will go see if I can find them.
[15:47] <charlie-tca> micahg: not yet
[16:06] <charlie-tca> micahg: no mx51 images for alpha3
[16:06] <micahg> heh, ok
[16:07] <Wizard> good afternoon
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Good afternoon, Wizard
[16:35] <charlie-tca> hm, moved my launcher panel to the side, now I keep losing it
[16:35] <pleia2> hehe
[16:35] <charlie-tca> well, at least not finding it when I go to the bottom of the screen ;)
[16:47] <Wizard> lol
[16:48] <Wizard> i have only 600px vertically, and i use a touchscreen (quite large panel, for easy clicking), so all my launchers don't fit vertically
[16:48] <Wizard> :S
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I only put a few launchers in the panel, I have about 8 I use all the time.
[16:50] <charlie-tca> and, shrinking the panel by 4% allows it to not hide the top under the top panel
[16:51] <charlie-tca> It does have a problem though. It keeps refreshing every few minutes, or maybe it is respawning.
[16:51] <madnick> how come its hidden by default btw?
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Keeps a bigger screen available, since as a hidden panel, it can be covered by applications
[16:54] <madnick> makes sense
[19:28] <micahg> charlie-tca: meeting sunday?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> micahg: yup
[19:29] <charlie-tca> 22:00 UTC
[19:31] <madnick> found a bug in plymouth, (talked to a dev and he discovered the source and fixed it) but it will still be bugged in xubuntu until we update it
[19:31] <madnick> this does not impact the boot process
[19:31] <madnick> But it will impact the X plugin
[19:32] <madnick> Dunno if you think its worth looking into
[19:32] <charlie-tca> bug number?
[19:33] <madnick> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=973dd358b9544921604c6cfb5ed1c4cfb052a015
[19:33] <madnick> i talked to him on IRC
[19:33] <madnick> so i dont know if its filled a bug report
[19:34] <micahg> we're a whole version behind Debian + a lot of debian revisions on plymouth
[19:34] <madnick> oh
[19:34] <micahg> we've shipped 0.8.2 since lucid
[19:34] <charlie-tca> So, it's committed to git today, still has to go a long ways to get to us
[19:35] <madnick> okay
[19:35] <madnick> It just makes it impossible to simulate while building themes
[19:35] <micahg> yeah, unless we took that original patch, we won't be affected
[19:35] <charlie-tca> But thanks for the heads up.
[19:35] <micahg> oh, wait
[19:36] <micahg> actually, it would be both patches that would be needed to fix the issue
[19:36] <micahg> Debian probably has the tty fix w/out the x11 fix
[19:36] <micahg> we have neither
[19:37] <madnick> If I knew the build process of xubuntu on this matter, I could fix it locally and keep simulating
[19:38] <madnick> Because its not a biggie in production
[19:38] <madnick> Just a big thing when wanting to simulate
[21:45] <Unit193> Alright, LightDM has no autologin and changes BG color every boot (First had red, second is purple)
[21:46] <GridCube> i pissed off half the people on the ML  :P
[21:46]  * Unit193 doesn't send to it for a reason!
[21:47] <madnick> a RAW image editor?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> yeah
[21:47] <Unit193> I'm sorry, but I don't know how to login to LightDM/Oneiric for today, I must be missing something
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Unit193: yes, but you can login to live sessions now
[21:47] <astraljava> GridCube: Which ML?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> just click on Guest, and select Xubuntu session, and click login
[21:48] <charlie-tca> GridCube: it's going good, isn't it?
[21:48] <charlie-tca> At least you got a discussion going
[21:48] <Unit193> Did that the first time, no go :/
[21:48] <charlie-tca> What/
[21:48] <charlie-tca> ?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I did 32bit in VBox and 64bit on hardware and both worked
[21:49] <GridCube> charlie-tca: :D its awesome
[21:49] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I finally got it working. Is there a point for me testing then?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> GridCube: and maybe they are right, we need a photo app instead of a drawing app
[21:50] <GridCube> yep
[21:50] <charlie-tca> yes, Unit193
[21:50] <charlie-tca> How do we know I didn't do something stupid and make it work if no one else can?
[21:50] <GridCube> i was thinking the same thing, that should do the trick and if you need something bigger you sudo apt-get install gimp
[21:50] <madnick> I did not write anything about replacing GIMP, I like GIMP, for my photos I use my own editor
[21:51] <charlie-tca> How do you get the photos to the computer?
[21:51] <GridCube> magic!
[21:51] <madnick> Me?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> yes, Me?
[21:51] <madnick> Well, I use USB mount fat32
[21:52] <charlie-tca> I never think about photo apps, since I don't have a camera
[21:52] <charlie-tca> madnick: Have you tried shotwell?
[21:52] <madnick> charlie-tca: yes
[21:53] <madnick> I think that its nice
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Would something like that do more good for users than gimp?
[21:53]  * GridCube thinks that more people uses cameras than make their own images from scratch
[21:54] <charlie-tca> I mean, for me, gimp works well, but then again, I have no photos and no camera
[21:54] <madnick> Honestly, I don't know, but, isnt there a package servery? So its possible to see what people use
[21:54] <charlie-tca> no
[21:54] <charlie-tca> we prefer guessing
[21:54] <madnick> :P
[21:54] <charlie-tca> people tend to use whatever is default
[21:54] <charlie-tca> !photos
[21:55] <madnick> All I really do with my images is: Black and white, add text, rotate
[21:55] <astraljava> madnick: There's popcon, but that's not enabled by default.
[21:55] <madnick> over that, I use gimp
[21:55] <astraljava> Hardly anyone enables it themselves.
[21:55] <madnick> oh
[21:56] <charlie-tca> GridCube: let's see what develops there. It might be time to toss gimp and put in photo something?
[21:58] <Unit193> I'm doing Live entire install
[21:58] <charlie-tca> I don't think they hate you. Most of them seem to agree that gimp could be replaced
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Unit193: how?
[21:59] <charlie-tca> I could not run the install from the live session
[21:59]  * micahg hopes he has time to review all the image viewer discussions before the meeting
[21:59] <GridCube> i guess, but the thing is that the default image viewer should have some characteristics that should make it really usable, not just managing an image collection, but actually working whit it, i guess people use image viewers a lot more than editors tho, so that should be the default, and if needed one could add gimp/other
[21:59]  * micahg thought the default image viewer was ristretto
[21:59] <madnick> it is
[21:59] <GridCube> ristretto sucks so much
[21:59] <madnick> But ristretto has limitations
[22:00] <micahg> ah, didn't know that was on the table as well
[22:00] <charlie-tca> does ristretto let you edit a photo, or download them from the camera, or organize them?
[22:00] <GridCube> lol i even forget about it on the comparison table
[22:00] <GridCube> no
[22:00] <charlie-tca> ristretto and gimp are not even close to the same thing
[22:00] <micahg> there should be a difference between viewer and editor
[22:00] <Unit193> charlie-tca: there was no password set for guest so I set one for ubuntu and logged into that account and it had the installer on the desktop (And looked correct in general) so here I am now
[22:00] <madnick> Ristretto wont even let you switch images unless you selected them all
[22:00] <GridCube> nothing of that charlie-tca it doesnt even let you move trough a folder as its suppose to
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Unit193: never even occurred to me to try that
[22:01] <Unit193> Things break, I have to do an odd way to fix them
[22:02] <charlie-tca> GridCube: let's propose it in the meeting, replace gimp with a photo thingy
[22:02] <GridCube> ok
[22:02] <GridCube> i hope i will have electricity back tonight/tomorrow
[22:02] <charlie-tca> If you want, you can pick which one we want,even
[22:03] <charlie-tca> I thought you had it back already :(
[22:04] <charlie-tca> Images are no longer oversized, we can look into adding stuff again. But I think replacing gimp with the photo editor would be a good thing for Xubuntu.
[22:05]  * charlie-tca is behind technologically. No camera, no mp3 player, no ipod, no wii, no cellphone
[22:05] <charlie-tca> lol, no nothing
[22:05] <madnick> I'd be really happy if I could *not* have a cellphone :D
[22:05] <Unit193> I'm almost the same, but I lost my MP3 player :( I don't know how
[22:05] <madnick> I hate my cellphone so much
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I belong to the 5% of USA households with a real landline phone
[22:06] <Unit193> Another person in our family has one, but I do not
[22:06] <madnick> Only reason I got a cellphone was to develop android applications :P But I never have any good ideas :(
[22:07] <madnick> Then people started taking my phone number, and calling me, now im stuck
[22:07] <dtchen> I have a 3G smartphone so I can fix bugs while I'm on the train.
[22:07] <madnick> :P
[22:07] <dtchen> probably a good 80% of my uploads this week have been over 3G
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I do have a laptop now, at least
[22:09] <charlie-tca> lol, over $400 in mice, no cellphone
[22:09] <GridCube> charlie-tca: im at work, but my brother just said to me trough gtalk that he was talking from our computer so i already have power there :D
[22:09] <charlie-tca> GridCube: great! Glad to hear that
[22:09] <GridCube> :D yes! now i  can attend sunday's meeting and also can start working on the top 10 FAQ
[22:10] <charlie-tca> I think I paid more for the mice here than the whole computer now
[22:10] <GridCube> hahaha
[22:10] <charlie-tca> You got a lot to do, GridCube
[22:11] <Unit193> http://i.imgur.com/t3eFY.png
[22:11] <GridCube> :D i hope i can do it right
[22:11] <charlie-tca> FAQ's, photo thing, website reviews...
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Unit193: very nice!
[22:12] <charlie-tca> We may not have the installs from desktop working for alpha3, but at least we will have a live session
[22:14] <Unit193> Not so easy to tell people to switch to TTY1 change password, switch back and login when there is a boot menu for installing :P
[22:15] <charlie-tca> right
[22:16] <charlie-tca> but they can try first now, then restart, pick "Install Xubuntu" from the menu and know it will work for them
[22:17] <Unit193> Exactly! That's one big step!
[22:20] <GridCube> i have landline phone :P and this is my cell phone http://www.celularis.com/wp-content/uploads/mt/imagenes/1100foto.jpg
[22:20] <pleia2> GridCube is from the past
[22:21] <GridCube> :D
[22:21] <pleia2> :)
[22:21] <GridCube> best phone ever
[22:21] <charlie-tca> according to dtchen, you all need 3G now. It just works.
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Well, that might not be quite 100% what he said, but it's close ;)
[22:31] <dtchen> it's only relevant if you enjoy fixing bugs more than you enjoy sleeping ;)
[22:39] <charlie-tca> These people are learning to, aren't they?
[22:39] <dtchen> charlie-tca: sorry, I don't understand the context of the question
[22:40] <astraljava> 3G sometimes works, sometimes not. When you need it, the latter.
[22:40] <charlie-tca> I think they are learning to enjoy fixing things. Most of the people here are new,though
[22:40] <GridCube> http://www.sysadminday.com/
[22:40] <dtchen> charlie-tca: ah, yes
[22:40] <madnick> The 3G net here is really nice :)
[22:41] <madnick> Most people have 3G modems
[22:41] <dtchen> astraljava: I find 3G way more reliable than wifi
[22:41] <madnick> GridCube: lol i got a hug today because of that :P
[22:41] <madnick> a manly hug :(
[22:41] <astraljava> dtchen: For CLI, maybe. But trying to use Spotify, or other streaming media, while on the move... huh.
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Happy System Administrator Appreciation Day, to all the sysadmins out there!
[22:42] <astraljava> dtchen: Although, maybe it's just the phones I've been using. My 3G modem works fairly well.
[22:43] <GridCube> Systems Administrators Appreciation Day == SAAD
[22:44] <dtchen> astraljava: my Nexus S has been reliable, but I concur.
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Well, maybe not as SAAD as most days?
[23:16] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'll call it all working, just had to give it a pass
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Great!
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing that
[23:20] <Unit193> I got wind they were working again. I shouldn't have done an entire desktop 32bit, but it's a test nontheless
[23:22] <Unit193> *PASS* Just had to give user ubuntu a password and login with that
[23:40] <charlie-tca> well, we get a PASS for not being able to install from the desktop, too :)
[23:41] <charlie-tca> I been putting it in the topic if they are broken
[23:41] <Unit193> Aye
[23:43] <madnick> there we go, plymouth code complete :) awaiting a "graphical eye" and some testing on a real machine (setting that part up now:))
[23:45] <charlie-tca> great! got a real machine here running oneiric
[23:45] <madnick> wanna try it out?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> is it simple?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:46] <madnick> Depends on how you define simple :P
[23:46] <charlie-tca> Well, you know. When it breaks, how do I get back in?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> Let's try it
[23:46] <madnick> oh, well, we back stuff up, and then
[23:46] <madnick> you run update-alternatives
[23:46] <charlie-tca> huh?
[23:47] <madnick> we back it up
[23:47] <madnick> before we try
[23:47] <charlie-tca> we do?
[23:47] <madnick> If you want it back :P
[23:47] <charlie-tca> okay, let's do it
[23:47] <madnick> okay, gonna tar the files :)
[23:47] <charlie-tca> I got systems ready
[23:49] <madnick> give me 1 sec, need to check so the tar has all files
[23:50] <madnick> okay uploading
[23:52] <madnick> charlie-tca: http://madnick.se/~madnick/madnick-working-draft.tar.gz
[23:54] <charlie-tca> I got that. Now, where do the files go?
[23:54] <madnick> okay
[23:54] <madnick> put it in /lib/plymouth/themes
[23:55] <charlie-tca> okay, do I need to rename the folder?
[23:55] <madnick> keep it called madnick for now
[23:55] <madnick> it was easier to test than to rename it
[23:56] <charlie-tca> okay, got to go eat, then can run it. Will it run on reboot, or ??
[23:56] <madnick> oh, no you need to run a command first
[23:56] <madnick> 1 sec
[23:57] <madnick> sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[23:57] <madnick> that should give you all the themes in there
[23:58] <madnick> and selected the one you put there
[23:58] <charlie-tca> There is only one alternative in link group default.plymouth: /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.plymouth


[00:01] <caravena> Mr bdmurray What package install for full symbols? http://paste.ubuntu.com/539205/ problem with function clone()
[00:01] <caravena> Hello =)
[00:04] <bdmurray> I'm not sure
[00:07] <caravena> bdmurray, My full ThreadStacktrace http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60001094/ThreadStacktrace.txt
[00:11] <bdmurray> libc6-dev: /usr/lib/libpthread.so ?
[11:39] <SlimG> sshd seems to start before network in ubuntu server 10.10, is this a known bug?
[11:41] <SlimG> ^ ... sshd fails to start on boot if ListenAddress in /etc/ssh/sshd_config is set to something else than <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:43] <SlimG> /etc/init.d/ssh: Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog
[11:44] <SlimG> /etc/init.d/ssh: Required-Stop: $remote_fs $syslog
[11:45] <SlimG> /etc/init.d/ssh: Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
[11:46] <SlimG> I've tried prepending $network on Required-Start and Required-Stop without any success
[11:47] <SlimG> Here is a thread desscribing the same problem in more details -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10177487
[12:29] <vish> argh! whats with new lp bug mail format.. :/
[12:30] <vish> it messes up all my filters :(
[19:37] <karthick87> What do I need to know in order to help with bug/papercut fixing?
[19:38] <yofel> vish: ^
[19:39] <vish> karthick87: just beat you to the question.. ;)
[19:41] <ssj6akshat> wow it is 01:12 AM
[19:41] <ssj6akshat> should sleep
[19:41] <karthick87> :)
[21:22] <Jordan_U> It looks like someone incorrectly marked #610898 as fix released, but I can't seem to change the status back to triaged. All options are greyed out.
[21:22] <Jordan_U> https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/610898
[21:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610898 in lupin (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "grub-pc upgrade renders computer unbootable when Wubi is installed to partition other than Windows (affects: 11) (heat: 102)" [High,Fix released]
[21:22] <micahg> Jordan_U: right, only bug control can reopen bugs
[21:23] <hggdh> micahg: you taking care of it?
[21:23] <micahg> hggdh: yeah, seems like an accident :-/
[21:23] <hggdh> heh
[21:24] <micahg> done
[21:24] <charlie-tca> Probably the line right under "confirmed" where it says this is only in wubi confused things?
[21:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: still, any Fix Released change should be commented
[21:25] <charlie-tca> always
[21:25] <micahg> Jordan_U: thanks for noticing
[21:26] <Jordan_U> micahg: You're welcome. Thanks for fixing it :)
[21:26] <micahg> Jordan_U: np