[12:27] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: Depends: libdns21 (= 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu1.3) but 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu1.4 is to be installed
[12:27] <halcyonCorsair> there are about four of those messages
[12:30] <ajmitch> great
[12:30] <ajmitch> that's usually security or updates
[12:31] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: no, its the original version of the package vs. the one that i built, i'm downgrading by specifying each one to be the older version...
[12:31] <ajmitch> did you bump the version to 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu1.4?
[12:31] <keescook> halcyonCorsair: yeah, that's what I've done in the past.  used "apt-cache madison PKG" to figure out the prior version, and then specified each on on the apt-get install line
[12:32] <ajmitch> apt won't automatically downgrade
[12:32] <ajmitch> hello keescook
[12:32] <keescook> hiya ajmitch!
[12:32] <keescook> how goes it?
[12:32] <ajmitch> good, how are you?
[12:33] <keescook> good, wading through a kernel update.  :)
[12:33] <ajmitch> I see that we finally have a name for 8.04
[12:33] <ajmitch> heh
[12:33] <keescook> Yeah, I was curious if "H" was going to be reused
[12:33] <keescook> I wonder why "C" was skipped.
[12:33] <ajmitch> but noone remembers hoary now :)
[12:33] <halcyonCorsair> i guess those voting for "Hungry Hippo" lost out in the end :)
[12:34] <keescook> that would have rocked.
[12:34] <ajmitch> how's the search for a security guy going?
[12:35] <keescook> ajmitch: good, I think we're almost done.
[12:35] <ajmitch> that's great
[12:36] <ajmitch> I won't bother applying then :)
[12:37] <halcyonCorsair> hmm....how do i remove my custom packages to make sure they don't interfere with anything anymore?
[12:37] <ajmitch> I thought you just did that?
[12:39] <halcyonCorsair> i downgraded them to the original version yeah...so if i do a apt-get upgrade, they're not gonna come up to haunt me?
[12:40] <halcyonCorsair>  ah...it seems they won't, way cool
[12:41] <ajmitch> no, since they're not in an apt repository in your sources.list
[12:41] <ajmitch> so apt forgets all about them
[12:43] <halcyonCorsair> learn something new every day...
[12:47] <keescook> ajmitch: you keep a table of high/med/low changes between debian unstable and ubuntu, is that right?
[12:47] <ajmitch> keescook: rc bugs fixed in debian that aren't in ubuntu
[12:47] <osmosis> can anyone recommend a small boxen...something like a mac mini, but with hardware that doesn't fail.
[12:47] <keescook> I just got burned by an update in debian that was prior to Etch, but after Feisty.  (i.e. fixed in gutsy)
[12:47] <ajmitch> keescook: django.ajmitch.net.nz/rcbugs
[12:48] <keescook> ajmitch: and that's just gutsy, right?
[12:48] <ajmitch> yeah, just gutsy right now
[12:48] <ajmitch> you want it for multiple distros?
[12:49] <keescook> ajmitch: yeah, but I'm trying to figure out how to specify what I'm looking for.
[12:49] <keescook> because it's "changes between a stable release of ubuntu's version and the following stable release of debian"...
[12:50] <keescook> anyway, might not be needed, I guess.  A CVE should have been assigned for this bug.
[12:57] <halcyonCorsair> how can i get apt-get to install config files over the top?
[12:58] <ajmitch> overwrite existing config files?
[12:59] <ajmitch> keescook: if there's something I can help with, just ask - I've got a mirror of debian's BTS which I rsync
[12:59] <keescook> ajmitch: okay, I'll ponder it.  :)
[12:59] <ajmitch> halcyonCorsair: it's generally not a good thing - you can purge & reinstall if you really need it
[01:00] <ajmitch> or remove the config file & reinstall with apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss"
[01:01] <halcyonCorsair> mmm, yeah i did the purge and reinstall...although it kinda felt like i was taking to it with a hatchet
[01:08] <keescook> ajmitch: any chance I could convince you to add a tiny column to your rcbugs output for main/restricted/universe/multiverse?  like maybe a single character: m, r, u, v ?
[01:08] <ajmitch> keescook: yeah, though this list is only for universe right now :)
[01:09] <ajmitch> I'll have to change some code around, should only be a few lines
[01:09] <keescook> oh! heh. then can I convince you to add main?  :)
[01:09] <ajmitch> it needs burnt down & rewritten anyway
[01:09] <keescook> hehe
[01:10] <ajmitch> it's seriously crap code that I can hardly understand
[01:10] <ajmitch> must have been some late nights there
[01:10] <keescook> heh
[01:38] <halcyonCorsair> hey, can anyone tell me why my feisty server doesn't have colours when I ssh in? (i don't think it had colours with local logon either)
[01:47] <halcyonCorsair> i mean, .bashrc says it'll be fancy and colourful if it detects xterm-color, but dapper seems to ignore that and be colourful anyway....
[01:47] <halcyonCorsair> why not feisty?
[01:50] <halcyonCorsair> hmm...ok, its not that part...its the ls alias somehow...
[01:50] <halcyonCorsair> not, thats wrong
[01:52] <halcyonCorsair> vims not displaying colours...thats whats wrong
[01:55] <halcyonCorsair> *sigh* i'm talking to myself here...
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[01:57] <ajmitch> halcyonCorsair: ls displays colour, vim doesn't?
[01:57] <ajmitch> if so, there were changes from vim 6 to 7, check /etc/vim/vimrc
[01:58] <halcyonCorsair> yes....it seems feisty comes fully loaded with vim-tiny which could be the problem...
[01:58] <ajmitch> quite
[01:58] <ajmitch> that was done for a reason, of course :)
[01:59] <halcyonCorsair> oh?
[01:59] <ajmitch> disk space for the desktop cd
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh @ the excuse
[02:00] <ajmitch> I presume that noone cared enough to reseed the full vim for the server
[02:00] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: you'll live
[02:00] <halcyonCorsair> best way to get vim in colour would be to update to full blown vim, or try and readd colour conf to /etc/vim/vimrc?
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, potentially
[02:00] <ajmitch> ok, lunchtime, back later
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> you nead real vim to get colouring
[02:16] <osmosis> can anyone tell my why feisty has different xen packages for desktop and server ?
[02:19] <osmosis> what is PAE ?
[02:19] <halcyonCorsair> Kamping_Kaiser: what do i need for real vim to start colorizing?
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> halcyonCorsair, a ~/.vimrc or /etc/vim/vimrc
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik
[02:23] <halcyonCorsair> crap....so i'm gonna have to do "THAT"!
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm?
[02:27] <halcyonCorsair> i know nothing about configuring vimrc
[02:30] <halcyonCorsair> oh....that was easy...hehe!@
[02:41] <CharlieSu> Does anyone know of a linux program that is basically like WinSCP that uses an ncurses interface?
[02:59] <sommer> hey all is it bad form to compare PEAR to CPAN and RubyGems?
[04:13] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Howdy..
[04:13] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: sup
[04:13] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Did you find an answer to the 'files' problem?
[04:14] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: yes, two solutions, one that is totally evil, and one that is pretty good
[04:14] <halcyonCorsair> i still have to test them though
[04:14] <pschulz01> :-)
[04:15] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: soln1: alter /usr/include/linux/posix_types.h and /usr/include/bits/typesizes.h to set FD_SETSIZE to be larger than 1024 (EVIL!!!)
[04:15] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Yup.
[04:16] <halcyonCorsair> soln2: add a listen-to directive to named.conf.options for each physical interface, and then have iptables allow access to that address for dhcp
[04:16] <ajmitch> 2) still sounds a bit painful
[04:17] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: not really
[04:17] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: can you envision anything less painful?
[04:17] <pschulz01> What does FD_SETSIZE do?
[04:18] <pschulz01> Is it just used as an option? can it be over written within named?
[04:18] <ajmitch> halcyonCorsair: listening on 1 interface & relying solely on the networking stack to get the packets to the right place
[04:19] <ajmitch> which has its own problems
[04:19] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: sure, I could do that, but my way means i have to modify fewer scripts :)
[04:19] <ajmitch> it depends whether bind needs to open a socket for every interface it explicitly listens on
[04:20] <halcyonCorsair> i think it does
[04:20] <halcyonCorsair> either way, listening on 5 interfaces is a lot better than listening on 1000
[04:21] <ajmitch> right, I was thinking that you meant  listening on every vlan interface
[04:22] <ajmitch> but if you're listening on just 5, then it sounds much better
[04:22] <halcyonCorsair> no, just the PHYSICALL interfaces
[04:22] <halcyonCorsair> ie. eth2 covers eth2.2 - eth2.254, etc
[04:22] <ajmitch> right, I missed that when reading it earlier
[04:23] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Option3. hack bind
[04:23] <halcyonCorsair> when i first made the change, i forgot to listen on <IP_ADDRESS> :) wondered why dns suddenly didn't work on the server
[04:23] <ajmitch> ls -la
[04:23] <ajmitch> hm
[04:23] <ajmitch> (ssh is very lagged)
[04:23] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: port/*/include/fd_setsize.h <-- from the CHANGES  file.. I'm looking now,
[04:24] <ajmitch> pschulz01: hacking bind or rebuilding should be the last option
[04:24] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: eh? not really....what our system was doing in the first place was kinda stupid
[04:24] <ajmitch> since it means an unsupportable package
[04:25] <pschulz01> ajmitch: first step in the  'get stuff fixed' process -> ..create patch.. submit patch..
[04:25] <ajmitch> pschulz01: only if it's necessary
[04:26] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: I can't see the file in the bind source anyway for 'linux' so.. hmm..
[04:27] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: the files i modified aren't part of bind
[04:27] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: That is the main problem! :-)
[04:27] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: what package is /usr/include/linux/posix_types.h from?
[04:27] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: You entire system is now unsupported.
[04:28] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: i'm not sure you understand the nature of what i'm talking about here...
[04:28] <halcyonCorsair> either that, or your making a joke that i missed
[04:28] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: dpkg -S /usr/include/linux/posix_types.h
[04:28] <pschulz01> linux-libc-dev
[04:28] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: (Just a little one)
[04:29] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: (joke.. that is)
[04:29] <halcyonCorsair> right :)
[04:30] <pschulz01> If bind is not able to do what you want it to do, then there are proably going to be other people in the same situation.. so rather than a work around, fixing it properly is probably a 'nice thing to do'.
[04:32] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: its not a problem that should be encountered if bind is configured in a more "correct" way
[04:33] <pschulz01> (Please correct me if I'm wrong ajmitch) Unless  FD_SETSIZE is a system limit, in which case there should be a kernel configuration parameter to change it. If it is problem with bind, then.. well.. that was where I was heading.
[04:34] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Just rephasing your problem...
[04:35] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: You have a single 'bind' listening on lots of interfaces (1000+) and you want bind to open a socket to listen individually for each one?
[04:36] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: thats what the system was doing, however its not really very desirable behaviour when you think about it
[04:36] <halcyonCorsair> i just hadn't questioned the logic of what it was doing is all
[04:41] <halcyonCorsair> how can i check the version of a running module?
[04:46] <ajmitch> halcyonCorsair: kernel module?
[04:48] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: yes, i've just installed an updated intel e1000 driver and want to check that the new one is running
[04:48] <ajmitch> hm, I think modinfo just tells you details of the one on disk
[04:48] <ajmitch> so dmesg or syslog will be your best bet
[04:50] <halcyonCorsair> *sigh* it didn't fix the problem....
[04:51] <halcyonCorsair> damn HP for not supporting ubuntu
[04:51] <halcyonCorsair> ....luckily i don't think its a showstopper
[04:51] <ajmitch> what's the problem with it?
[04:51] <halcyonCorsair> e1000: eth3: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -22
[04:52] <halcyonCorsair> i guess i'll find out shortly though
[04:52] <ajmitch> does it cause issues, or just give an error?
[04:52] <halcyonCorsair> just give an error so far, i'm about to start testing
[04:59] <ph1zzle> hey guys, I am looking for a wan failover software or mechanism, basically designed for a machine with two nics, each hooked up to a seperate wan, and when one wan goes down, it fails over ti the other, any thoughts?
[05:26] <halcyonCorsair> ph1zzle: what sort of NICs? (not that it really matters, just curious)
[05:28] <halcyonCorsair> ph1zzle: look up under your kernel source, look up Documentation/networking/bonding.txt and then the "Configuring Bonding for High Availability"
[05:33] <ph1zzle> sure, I actuall. just now found something easier, and I have been looking at this for a while
[05:34] <ph1zzle> basically what was stated was define two default routes, each with the different network cards, if one route fails, the second will be used, there for if each nic is on a different wan
[05:35] <halcyonCorsair> oh true :) i was thinking more enterprisey :)
[05:35] <ph1zzle> and you have your primary link defined as the link on wan 1 and your secondary on wan 2 then when the router on wan 1 is no good, then wan 2 should suffice
[05:35] <ph1zzle> yeah, well at this point I just want a solution, lol
[05:36] <ph1zzle> this office only contains 20 people, we have a adsl link that seems to fail constantly, and a spriny ev-do link as a backup and frankly... I just want it to work
[05:41] <halcyonCorsair> http://www.epr.ch/brb/linux/backroute.php
[05:41] <halcyonCorsair> that might be another option, i've never used it though
[05:43] <ph1zzle> huh, that actually looks damned cool, thanks halcyonCorsair
[06:06] <halcyonCorsair> ph1zzle: hope it works
[08:15] <kraut> moin
[08:16] <nealmcb> kraut: any idea where people get the idea of adding spaces before punctuation??
[08:16] <kraut> because they want to annoy other people with it?
[08:21] <nealmcb> hmm - looks like it is the default in french punctuation - I wonder when that started and why.  not much info here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation_in_French
[07:29] <radicall> hi all
[07:29] <ScottK> Hellol
[07:32] <radicall> someone has been installed Sun Application Server on Ubuntu Server 6.06?
[09:36] <raky> net boot client set in bios to boot from network, but doesn't http://pastebin.com/d36396a38 this is my dhcpd.conf file
[09:44] <sommer> raky: I've actually done a net boot, but don't you need to add an entry for your tftp server?
[09:45] <raky> i'm following the hottoforge guide here http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_pxe_install_server
[09:47] <sommer> raky: I think you need a next-server entry to point to your tftp server.  Check the last highlight box in the guide.
[09:47] <osmosis> what is the difference between xen i386 and xen PAE ?
[09:48] <necrite_> hi all
[09:48] <necrite_> i have too many "dummy internal connection" on my webserver
[09:48] <necrite_> any idea why apache make this connections?
[10:25] <osmosis> how do I make a xen initrd ?
[10:52] <ajmitch> good morning
[10:56] <raky> i keep getting a message that eth0 subnet is not configured, here's the paste:  http://pastebin.com/d36396a38
[11:10] <soren> raky: Pointing out that it's a dhcp server config file might help..
[11:10] <soren> raky: What's the IP of your eth0 ?
[11:10] <mralphabet> soren: took me a minute too
[11:11] <soren> mralphabet: Well, it's pretty obvious when I actually clicked the link, but until then..
[11:11] <ajmitch> hello soren
[11:12] <soren> ajmitch: Hey, Andrew.
[11:12] <raky> <IP_ADDRESS> / <IP_ADDRESS> mralphabet
[11:12] <soren> raky: Um... Which one is it?
[11:13] <soren> raky: It can only have one.
[11:13] <raky> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:14] <ajmitch> sounds like a link-local address
[11:14] <ajmitch> ie it's not been configured
[11:14] <mralphabet> raky: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[11:14] <ajmitch> you had a mention of eth0:avahi in the dhcp configuration?
[11:15] <soren> raky: If you have an error about eth0 not begin configured properly, it often helps to provide information about said interface.
[11:15] <raky> this is when configing dhpcd server
[11:23] <raky> /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/d3c0769e1
[11:26] <soren> raky: That config will not work.
[11:26] <soren> raky: Your gateway needs to be on the same subnet as you.
[11:26] <soren> Er..
[11:26] <soren> Oh, it says dhcp.
[11:26] <soren> That's a pretty strange interfaces file :)
[11:27] <raky> lol, i need to understand more, antoher person said the same thing  was wrong
[11:27] <ajmitch> I hope this isn't on the same box that you're running a dhcp server on?
[11:28] <ajmitch> the dhcp server needs to have a configured interface (statically assigned IP address) to hand out leases
[11:29] <ajmitch> and you shouldn't assign 169.254 addresses :)
[11:48] <mralphabet> raky: normal dhcp client http://pastebin.com/m740da274
[11:50] <mralphabet> raky: are you expecting the DHCP server to assign the IP to its own interface?
[11:50] <soren> ajmitch: Strictly speaking, the dhcp server can get an address from dhcp. It's a bit strange, but doable.
[11:50] <ajmitch> soren: from itself?
[11:51] <soren> ajmitch: No, from something else.
[11:51] <soren> ajmitch: ...which will only hand out and IP to that machine.
[11:51] <soren> ajmitch: It's probably not what he wants, but it's possible :)
[11:51] <ajmitch> right, but in the common case it's not done :)
[11:52] <soren> Indeed :)
[11:52] <ajmitch> and assigning link-local addresses is still bad :)
[11:53] <mralphabet> very
[11:53] <soren> It doesn't get assigned as it's a dhcp interface.
[11:58] <ajmitch> soren: no, but that was the apparant intent, at least
[11:58] <soren> Right. I think we should stop trying to make sense of that interfaces file.
[12:02] <ajmitch> maybe if I look at authtool I'll get an email from the soc student who made some changes :)


[10:40] <qense> hello
[10:54] <nand> qense: hey
[10:54] <nand> did you see the mockups?
[10:54] <qense> yes
[10:55] <nand> some nice graphics here!
[10:55] <qense> yeah
[10:56] <qense> I haven't had time to have a closer look at it, but I'm doing it now
[10:56] <qense> Although I've already seen most of them earlier.
[10:56] <nand> Hopefully he also have the corresponding HTML...
[10:57] <qense> he told me he didn't
[11:00] <nand> qense: that's infortunate
[11:00] <qense> yeah
[11:00] <nand> any progress?
[11:00] <qense> I asked him if he was able to translate it into HTML. He responded he would try but he didn't know how to use bazaar.
[11:00] <qense> He wanted to ask jesper, but if I'm right he already removed himself from the team without any notice.
[11:00] <nand> he can just send us a zip :)
[11:01] <qense> that would be better I suppose
[11:01] <nand> qense: uh, did you do a "submit application" block?
[11:02] <qense> yes
[11:02] <qense> there is an apply link at the bottom of each task with poster_contactable on 1
[11:03] <nand> uh, I mean, a "submit job" block?
[11:03] <qense> yes
[11:03] <qense> but the admin queue isn't ready yet so all tasks are already added
[11:04] <nand> I'm not seeing this link : do I need to add a block to the drupal install at ubuntu-wanted-devel.ideatorrent?org?
[11:04] <qense> the menu link doesn't work, that's true
[11:04] <qense> I don't know why though
[11:05] <qense> You can find the page at /wanted/new
[11:06] <nand> "for the rest of your life" ^^
[11:06] <nand> that will scare some people ::)
[11:07] <qense> yeah, we should come up with a better phrase for that
[11:07] <nand> otherwise, that looks good! Once the admin queue is here, the website is basically working!
[11:07] <qense> yeah


[05:03] <_aaron_> hi
[21:44] <jbicha> hi, would someone from Edubuntu like to help sponsor bug 692295
[21:46] <jbicha> since Edubuntu ships gcompris, it's your decision whether you want it or not I believe
[21:47] <jbicha> it's such a huge package it takes a while to download and test it


[07:59] <willcooke> morning desktopers
[08:02] <willcooke> popey, replaced my palm rest this morning.  Nice new one with no crack in it now
[09:19] <willcooke> tkamppeter, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[09:29] <willcooke> Reminder:  Feature freeze for Utopic is coming up fast... 21st August
[09:29] <willcooke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[09:33]  * didrocks connected as long as we are in the train station ;)
[09:33] <Laney> you didn't run?
[09:35] <didrocks> Laney: ah, not needed, we are in the train
[09:35] <Laney> ah
[09:35] <didrocks> it justs that the train have stops…
[09:35] <didrocks> it's*
[09:35] <Laney> no tethering?
[09:36] <didrocks> we are, but on my 3G connexion and you know… TGV can be fast ;)
[09:36] <didrocks> and seb128 is stealing my data!!!
[09:36] <willcooke> :)
[09:37] <happyaron> anyone using SFR, tethering just does not work...
[09:49] <seb128> bah, 3g in french train
[09:50]  * Laney is DOSing the conference wifi to dist-upgrade to utopic
[09:52]  * seb128 does the same to didrocks' 3G
[09:52] <seb128> 1.5G to download, YES
[09:52]  * didrocks cuts the connection
[09:52] <didrocks> NOW
[09:52] <larsu> Laney: ts ts ts
[09:52] <didrocks> hey, we're still in Germany btw
[09:52] <Laney> 19 mins ...
[09:52] <didrocks> back to France soon
[09:52] <didrocks> have been a long time
[09:53] <larsu> didrocks: finally you can get croissants au chocolat again!
[09:53] <didrocks> I don't know…
[09:53] <didrocks> I was promised to get some in Strasbourg
[09:53] <didrocks> that didn't happen
[09:54] <larsu> ya, too French
[09:54] <didrocks> so, I think this doesn't exist at all :)
[09:54] <didrocks> seb128 got one chance to proove me wrong
[09:54] <didrocks> he didn't take it
[09:54] <seb128> bah
[09:55] <seb128> well, afranke said they don't have them, I didn't want to risk asking in a bakery and get a no :p
[09:55] <seb128> didrocks would have been comforted in his wrong ideas
[09:55] <didrocks> which prooves even more the point!
[09:55] <didrocks> actually :p
[09:55] <seb128> see
[10:12] <willcooke> seb128, did I miss anyone on my email?  I don't think I did, just want to certain
[10:29] <mhr3> Trevinho, ping?
[10:29] <mhr3> or andyrock?
[10:30] <andyrock> mhr3, pong
[10:30] <mhr3> andyrock, hey, we want to split out unity schema into a separate pkg
[10:30] <mhr3> andyrock, see any issues with that?
[10:31] <mhr3> cause it's sort of shared with u8
[10:31] <mhr3> and we want to add some new u8 stuff
[10:32] <andyrock> it's ok for me... just double check with bregma
[10:33] <mhr3> bregma, ^^
[10:33] <Trevinho> mhr3: I think it's fine from my POV
[10:39] <seb128> willcooke, sorry, 3g is unstable in the train, yeah the list is complete ;-)
[10:39] <willcooke> seb128, cheers dude.
[10:50] <darkxst> hey didrocks
[10:53] <mhr3> seb128, could you toss me the link to the package migration rules?
[10:53] <didrocks> hey darkxst!
[10:53] <didrocks> sorry, on the train with seb128 and the connection is not stable
[10:53] <seb128> mhr3, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[10:53] <darkxst> didrocks, do you know the right way to deal with rpath? see upstream https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733857?
[10:54] <didrocks> darkxst: looking, one sec
[10:54] <mhr3> seb128, didn't mean that, the one which lists how to do breaks,replaces etc when like splitting pkgs etc
[10:54] <darkxst> didrocks, is linking with --enable-new-dtags sufficient?
[10:55] <seb128> mhr3,
[10:55] <seb128> https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
[10:56] <mhr3> seb128, that's the one, thanks! :)
[10:56] <seb128> mhr3, yw ;-)
[10:56] <didrocks> darkxst: I used that at some point in Unity itself, but I remember one case it was not enough. Start with that anyway and the build system should support it. If it's not enough, just ping me tomorrow morning (I'll have a clearer mind AND a stable connection :))
[10:57] <darkxst> didrocks, ok I will try that, enjoy your train ride ;)
[10:57] <didrocks> darkxst: thanks a lot! :)
[11:28] <mhr3> Trevinho, ehm, i can't build unity, is it known to not work with 4.9 or something?
[11:30] <mhr3> Trevinho, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7904005/
[11:44] <bregma> mhr, see bug #1350052
[14:02] <Sweetsha1k> ricotz: fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libixion/+bug/1349859/comments/1
[14:05] <seb128> howdy desktopers
[14:05] <willcooke> hey seb128
[14:06] <seb128> hey willcooke
[14:06] <seb128> how are things in desktop land today?
[14:06] <seb128> we are back on a stable internet
[14:06] <willcooke> pretty quiet
[14:07] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[14:07] <willcooke> o/
[14:07] <ogra_> seb128, how is the jetlag ?
[14:07] <ogra_> :)
[14:07] <willcooke> :D
[14:07] <seb128> ogra_, We should manage I think ;-)
[14:07] <ogra_> :)
[14:11] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[14:12] <willcooke> oh, chrisccoulson qengho - I didnt hear back about Chrm. 35 - is that all in hand?
[14:12] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:12] <willcooke> (OT: seb128 didrocks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ydv9Ef-99I)
[14:13] <seb128> kenvandine, who added those properties "to accountsservice"?
[14:13] <kenvandine> seb128, i don't know :)
[14:13] <kenvandine> i was just told they were there and i could enable it in settings
[14:13] <kenvandine> and sure enough, they were exposed on dbus :)
[14:13] <kenvandine> didn't look deeper
[14:13] <didrocks> willcooke: I see what english people are doing to us :p
[14:14] <kenvandine> they are annotated as "vendor"
[14:14] <seb128> kenvandine, they are not in d-feet here, but I'm on trusty/utopic mix, so I guess some depends needs to be updated
[14:14] <kenvandine> they are for me
[14:14] <didrocks> willcooke: fortunately, there is doctor who, the it crowd, the office… to counter-balance all that :)
[14:14] <kenvandine> shows the annotation that they are vendor added
[14:14] <willcooke> didrocks, XD
[14:15] <seb128> kenvandine, right, I'm saying that something added those in utopic and you don't depends on it, just happens to have it installed
[14:16]  * seb128 checks
[14:16] <kenvandine> ok, so missing a depends
[14:16] <seb128> likely yes
[14:17] <kenvandine> seb128, i do see some of those are missing in the schema though
[14:17] <kenvandine> silent-mode is there
[14:17] <seb128> kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/0.0.2+14.10.20140708-0ubuntu1
[14:17] <kenvandine> but none of the vibrate ones
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, they got added in that version it seems
[14:18] <seb128> needs to update the depends?
[14:18] <kenvandine> oh... i see
[14:18] <kenvandine> sure
[14:19] <seb128> kenvandine, sorry, I did the review while travelling and didn't have internet to check where those were added then
[14:20] <kenvandine> fixed and pushed
[14:23] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[14:33] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: oh, it seems there's a test case now in bug 1345505, and it's caused by a regression in the latest unity update
[14:34] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: I wasn't able to reproduce, but let me check with chrome
[14:35] <didrocks> before local apt cache for medium tests: Ran 14 tests in 464.690s
[14:35] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: cool. thanks
[14:35] <didrocks> with local cache: Ran 14 tests in 108.708s
[14:37] <Sweetshark> hohum, this freedomsponsors thing is beginning to get interesting. 1800USD for LibreOffice task on offer alone.
[14:43] <Sweetshark> ricotz: just a reminder: because of http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21942/client-1308-rolling-libreoffice/ we are NOT doing backports of LibreOffice dependencies on trusty for 4.3. Instead, use internal versions.
[14:43] <Sweetshark> ricotz: we wont SRU LO deps, but we might want to SRU LO 4.3 and we need the ppa for testing that.
[14:44] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: ok, got it :/ I didn't using multimonitor instead... mhm
[14:48] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: ah, good. always easier when it's reproducible :)
[14:51] <willcooke> hi Sweetshark - how's the trip going?
[14:52] <Sweetshark> willcooke: leaving tomorrow ;)
[14:52] <willcooke> ah!
[14:52] <willcooke> Happy trails
[14:53] <Sweetshark> willcooke: ... but managed to throw a bunch of work over the fence to seb128 before :>
[14:53] <willcooke> \o/
[14:53] <willcooke> the ol' hit and run
[14:53] <didrocks> hey fginther! did you get any progress on this desktop machine (14.04 LTS desktop) where I can run my daily tests?
[14:53] <willcooke> stone cold classic
[14:53] <seb128> Sweetshark, I received your email, didn't look at it yet
[14:54] <seb128> willcooke, did you get a reply from qengho or chrisccoulson on chromium? I went offline before when you asked and couldn't see if they replied
[14:54] <Sweetshark> willcooke: http://media.tumblr.com/7f94de2ed3b590dbf59d501041699d94/tumblr_inline_n67m5fYC3X1raprkq.gif <- hit and run like a boss
[14:54] <willcooke> seb128, not yet
[14:54]  * willcooke pokes chrisccoulson qengho
[14:54] <willcooke> Sweetshark, ha!!!
[14:56] <fginther> didrocks, it's partway, I'll try to have it finished tomorrow
[14:57] <didrocks> fginther: excellent! keep me posted. Now that I have all the tests ready, I can't wait to see them broken everyday ;)
[14:57] <didrocks> fginther: so, the machine will be a new shiny 14.04 LTS everyday?
[14:57] <didrocks> (with Internet access)
[14:59] <Sweetshark> willcooke: for today, my plan is "survive LibreOffice 4.3.0 release"
[15:00] <willcooke> Sweetshark, good luck! Let me know what I can do to help
[15:00] <fginther> didrocks, no, it's based on a VM snapshot, it's not going to be automatically updated to a daily image. Did I misunderstand what you needed?
[15:00]  * Sweetshark realizes he never ever tried the fancy new animated 3D objects for presentations we have now.
[15:01] <didrocks> fginther: I guess if it's a VM snapshot, we can run apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot everyday before you hand it over to my jenkins jobs?
[15:01] <ricotz> Sweetshark, i see, this might be require a more complete source package to have all needed deps around if needed
[15:01] <ricotz> Sweetshark, e.g. boost
[15:02] <Sweetshark> willcooke: looking all good for now, jusr the usual communication and PR madness ...
[15:02] <willcooke> Sweetshark, ack
[15:02] <ricotz> Sweetshark, in case of 4.3.x boost 1.54 is still fine be fine though
[15:04] <didrocks> pitti: jibel: hey, I would like to be able to run my medium tests as autopkgtests now that they are all offline. However, i'm using docker and a docker image then, is that supported?
[15:04] <Sweetshark> ricotz: yes. Actually, if upstream needs a new boost we shouldnt follow. Having C++ extensions using a different system boost than LibreOffice core is just asking for trouble,
[15:05] <ricotz> yeah
[15:06] <pitti> didrocks: autopkgtest doesn't have a docker runner, but you may be able to use the generic ssh one?
[15:06] <didrocks> pitti: hum, sorry, what do you mean by generic ssh one?
[15:06] <pitti> didrocks: that mostly requires writing an "ssh setup script" which starts the docker container, sets up ssh, and returns the IP+login to adt-run
[15:07] <pitti> didrocks: and an equivalent cleanp action to shut it down again
[15:07] <pitti> didrocks: have a look at /usr/share/autopkgtest/ssh-setup/SKELETON
[15:07] <fginther> didrocks, the reboot adds some complexity, but I think this still can be made to work. Assuming no fire drills come up between now and tomorrow, I should still be able to have it ready
[15:07] <didrocks> pitti: so, I would need another machine, having Internet connexion, on the same network, dedicated to that?
[15:07] <didrocks> fginther: that would be perfect, thanks a lot!
[15:07] <pitti> didrocks: /usr/share/autopkgtest/ssh-setup/nova is an example for nova
[15:08] <fginther> didrocks, if I encounter a delay, I'll let you know
[15:08] <pitti> didrocks: err, why?
[15:08] <didrocks> fginther: sure, thanks ;)
[15:08] <pitti> didrocks: you'd run adt-run on your host/workstation, and communicate with the docker container over ssh
[15:08] <didrocks> pitti: that's what my tests themselves are doing
[15:09] <didrocks> each test is:
[15:09] <didrocks> - starting a docker container, setup ssh into it
[15:09] <didrocks> - run some tests with that ssh connection
[15:09] <pitti> ah
[15:09] <didrocks> now, what I would like is to run those tests as autopkgtests
[15:09] <pitti> didrocks: so I'm afraid I fail to understand where the problem is
[15:10] <didrocks> pitti: I can just install and call "docker run" without any issue as adt tests?
[15:10] <pitti> didrocks: we run autopkgtests in QEMU for x86, that should support running docker inside?
[15:10] <didrocks> (and those boxes have network connection to be able to download the images from the docker hub)
[15:10] <pitti> didrocks: on armhf/ppc64el the tests run in LXC, that might go less well
[15:11] <didrocks> ah, yeah, containers inside containers…
[15:11] <didrocks> so, it should work on x86, and they would be able to connect to docker hub?
[15:11] <pitti> didrocks: but if x86 is sufficient for your needs, that shoudl work, yes
[15:11] <pitti> didrocks: Add "Restrictions: isolation-machine" please, so that these will just get skipped with adt-virt-lxc
[15:12] <didrocks> pitti: that sounds excellent. I'm surprised that we have some Internet connexion from those machines, but good to hear it's not a blocker :)
[15:12] <didrocks> and yeah, I'll add the flag to avoid adt-virt-lxc
[15:12] <pitti> didrocks: to *.ubuntu.com and *.launchpad.net works; there's a proxy for other things, but I wouldn't rely on that too much
[15:13] <didrocks> pitti: so, I can't download my docker image…
[15:13] <pitti> didrocks: let me check whether we export the proxy
[15:13] <didrocks> thanks pitti ;)
[15:15] <pitti> didrocks: no, we don't export it ATM; you could try and set it yourself, of course, but that's a bit dirty
[15:15] <pitti> export http_proxy=http://squid.internal:3128
[15:16] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I would prefer that to be officially supported if possible. I guess that can be a common use-case
[15:16] <didrocks> oh, we do have an alias?
[15:16] <didrocks> in that case, it's a little bit less dirty
[15:18] <didrocks> thanks a lot pitti! I guess it needs some experimentation now :)
[15:18] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, you can test it locally, and once it works we can look into the proxy thing again
[15:18] <didrocks> pitti: let's do that! thanks again
[15:42] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: I've couple of ways to fix that... I'll let you know ASAP
[16:21] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[16:21] <seb128> cyphermox, do you know why starting system-settings on my desktop leads to nm disconnecting?
[16:22] <marga> Trevinho, I see you've taken the screenlock issue. Have you identified the problem already?
[16:23] <marga> I looked at several diffs but couldn't find the culprit
[16:23] <Trevinho> marga: yes
[16:23] <Trevinho> marga: it's mostly a race condition, blame X
[16:24] <marga> Yeah, I expected it was a race condition
[16:24] <Trevinho> marga: basically we try to regrab the screen when an ungrab is still ongoing...
[16:24] <Trevinho> so, just an XFlush basically fixes it, but at this point I'm making the grab mechanism stronger
[16:24] <marga> Trevinho, ok. What would be the expectations regarding the release of a fix?
[16:25] <marga> I have a hoard of users aiming pitchforks at me :)
[16:25] <Trevinho> marga: I think I can have that in 1hr max, then it can go through the security procedure
[16:26] <marga> Trevinho, oh, ok. I was asking an ETA with a unity of days, not hours :)
[16:26] <marga> Thanks, I'll let you work then.
[16:27] <Trevinho> marga: ;)
[16:30] <Laney> creepy
[16:30] <Laney> gstreamer's testsuite uses the webcam
[16:30] <Laney> makes the green led blink
[16:33] <seb128> lol
[16:36] <seb128> Laney, do you have an opinion on how to handle the gtk .symbols/mir not being enabled on all archs?
[16:36] <Laney> arch=<arches>
[16:36] <seb128> either (optional) those symbols, or having by arch .symbols
[16:36] <seb128> oh, that works?
[16:37] <Laney> ya, see dpkg-gensymbols man page
[16:37] <seb128> danke
[16:37] <seb128> I like it!
[16:39] <seb128> Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906262/ lgty?
[16:40] <Laney> i don't see the rules change
[16:40] <Laney> the rest is plausible
[16:40] <seb128> thanks
[16:40] <seb128> Laney, I'm build testing, but looking at the patch it seems the rules do "enable if requirement there, otherwise disable"
[16:41] <seb128> and there is no .install change
[16:41] <Sweetshark> Laney: whats the test name? test_silentchannel_nsafbicia?
[16:41] <seb128> let's see how that test build goes
[16:41] <Laney> laney@iota> grep mir debian/rules                                                                                ~/temp/gtk+3.0-3.12.2 --enable-mir-backend \
[16:41] <Laney> imagine that formatted nicely
[16:42]  * Sweetshark feels better about the sticker over his cam. Also he needs a new tinfoil het for this summer.
[16:42] <Laney> Sweetshark: In that case it failed, so I'm glad :P
[16:43] <seb128> Laney, bah, indeed it fails and doesn't fallback to disable it (my test build just errored out)
[16:43]  * seb128 adds if in rules
[16:43] <Laney> I'd expect if you ask for it to be enabled then it should fail
[16:44] <seb128> makes sense I guess
[16:44] <seb128> I'm pondering letting it on auto mode
[16:44] <seb128> let place to change if the arch list change
[16:44] <seb128> but more likely to hit cases where it gets disabled by error
[16:44] <Laney> you can just DEB_CONFIGURE_FLAGS_shared += --enable-mir-backend inside an if
[16:45] <Laney> better if builds are reproducible and not dependent on the environment imho
[16:45] <seb128> yeah, fair enough
[16:45]  * Laney is going in search of food
[16:45] <Laney> ttyl!
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, enjoy the evening!
[16:45] <Laney> merci, you too!
[16:46] <Laney> not too much cheesecake ...
[16:46] <seb128> haha
[17:55] <cyphermox> seb128: where? it doesn't do that for me
[17:55] <cyphermox> seb128: which version of system-settings?
[18:46] <Trevinho> uff, today lp takes ages to genrate a diff/change stuff... -_-
[18:47] <Trevinho> mdeslaur, marga: btw the fix for that lockscreen issue is at https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/lockscreen-shield-regrab/+merge/228927
[18:51] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: do you have other unity updates planned soon?
[18:51] <mdeslaur> I'm wondering about just including that in the next SRU, or publishing a security update just for that
[18:52] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: we've a SRU planned, but I thought we might delay a little to include some other scaling fixes which are under review... And I guess that going through SRU is probably slower...
[18:52] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: so, if it's not a problem, I'd go with a security update
[18:52] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: ok, thanks
[18:59] <mdeslaur> If only LP would generate a diff I can look at... :)


[23:30] <fiab_> curious, if anyone had good reason, not, to install KDE Plasma 5.x, onto ubuntu studio 15.04?  part b, should I use a, backport ppa?
[23:32] <fiab_> oh, though, new to Ubuntu Studio, I love the Ubuntu 'family' even made a video about the definition of, Ubuntu.  Officially one of my favorite words
[23:33] <fiab_> been, an apple developer for decades, got tired, lol, moving my efforts to Ubuntu... hi
[23:34] <fiab_> I guess, this is my first impression... I am interested in developing, I would be fantastic at screen savers, ;)
[23:35] <fiab_> would like to learn how to create audio plugins and graphics and video, etc...  ;)  I will keep reading....  much luv, peace
[23:36] <fiab_> erm, I have open source code, specifically for Interactive Television, be so so sweeet to port it to Ubuntu!
[23:37] <fiab_> and telephony - and voice recognition enhancement


[00:29] <marcus__> heyyy
[09:29] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[09:30] <John85> hey :)
[09:31] <John85> not sure why i put a smiley face to be honest
[09:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning John85
[09:34] <John85> good morning
[09:40] <John85> so I just installed 17.04 fresh, after trying to update from 14.04, and failing
[09:41] <John85> now im back to square one with all the issues such as Amarok and Dragon not playing anything,  also can not find GIMP in software center,  or any other apps I want
[09:43] <John85> tried this...sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg...that did'nt help
[09:54] <Eightynine> I tried to install Konversation (it installed correctly) but apt said this: These packages had been installed automatically and not longer needed: gstreamer1.0-libav libavfilter-ffmpeg5 libavresample-ffmpeg2 libpostproc-ffmpeg53 libsodium18 libzmq5 Is this normal behavior?
[09:59] <BluesKaj> Eightynine, yes those libs have been replaced with upgraded versions
[10:00] <BluesKaj> John85, install ffmpeg, and try a more recent media player
[10:01] <John85> ok will do,  thanks BluesKaj
[10:02] <BluesKaj> dragonplayer is ok for pc desktop veiwing , but if you want a hone theater experince, mpv and vlc work well and of course kodi
[10:03] <BluesKaj> home theater meaning the pc is connected to a tv and audio amp/receiver system
[10:04] <John85> ,  i usually stick to desktop viewing
[10:04] <John85> i have HDMI port,  but rarely use it
[10:05] <John85> brb
[10:12] <John85> back
[10:17] <Eightynine> When trying to paste numbers from clipboard Kcalc says nan. Why?
[10:35] <John85> im getting really annoyed with my lap top right now
[10:37] <Fritigern> Eightynine: NaN stands for "Not a Number", make sure to paste only numbers. Even leading/trailing spaces can sometimes cause this issue
[10:41] <Fritigern> Eightynine: Also, make sure that the number you are trying to paste does not conatina a comma when a period is expected by KCalc, or vice versa.
[10:46] <John85> seriously considering going back to windows :(
[10:47] <John85> i just don't know enough about kubuntu
[10:49] <BluesKaj> how did you upgrade from 14.04?
[10:49] <John85> clean install
[10:50] <John85> reformatted partitions too just to be sure
[10:50] <BluesKaj> all on one partition?
[10:50] <John85> 3
[10:50] <John85> root,  home and swap
[10:51] <BluesKaj> so all were formatted. no residual data left on them ?
[10:52] <John85> yep
[10:53] <BluesKaj> did you update and upgrade immediately afterwards?
[10:54] <John85> its just a case of trying to get it up and running as it was before
[10:54] <BluesKaj> your packages with apt , I mean
[10:55] <John85> yep,  i will have to check terminal history
[10:56] <BluesKaj> you have to do, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade as son as you get a desktop after your first boot on the new OS
[10:56] <John85> oh :(
[10:56] <John85> ye,  that wasnt the command i used
[10:56] <BluesKaj> not all images are up to date
[10:57] <John85> the problem is,  discover is running and its stuck,  i think its because i temporarily lost connection,  and it wont let me close it either
[10:59] <John85> should i try forcing it?
[11:00] <BluesKaj> open system monitor in kmenu>system type discover in the search , right click on pid and either terminate or kill
[11:00] <John85> k
[11:00] <John85> ok,  now ill try running that command
[11:01] <BluesKaj> then a sudo apt full-upgrade is sometimes in order as well
[11:01] <John85> ok
[11:03] <John85> ok,  says 0 to upgrade or remove or install
[11:04] <BluesKaj> did you see the message "all packages up to date" ?
[11:05] <John85> yep
[11:05] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:06] <BluesKaj> ok sudo apt install amarok
[11:07] <John85> already newset version
[11:07] <John85> *newest
[11:07] <BluesKaj> good
[11:07] <BluesKaj> what else do you need ?
[11:08] <John85> for Amarok to work,  GIMP and i would quite like Ksquares too but cant find them in discover
[11:09] <BluesKaj> John85, I recommend installing muon, it's a much better package manager than the discover version
[11:09] <John85> i have searched the forums for fixes for Amarok,  but nothing seems to work,  and i cant remember what i did last time to get it to play wma's or mp3's
[11:11] <BluesKaj> my opinion of amarok is mixed, I seldom use it, prefer vlc for most media
[11:11] <John85> ye,  i have installed VLC but cant work out how to import music library
[11:12] <John85> last time there was an import option somewhere
[11:14] <John85> ok,  i got it :)
[11:15] <BluesKaj> if i want to play awhole album , i just go into the music folder, find the album, open the folder click edit>select all then righ click on the highliighted tunes and choose open with vlc...i don't bother with clunky playlists
[11:16] <John85> k
[11:16] <BluesKaj> vlc will then paly the whole album in the correct order
[11:17] <John85> im going to persevere with Amarok,  i have got it to work in the past,  so I should be able to get it working again
[11:17] <BluesKaj> well, that's your call
[11:18] <John85> tbo,  i prefer the interface
[11:20] <BluesKaj> I always had problems with amarok recognizing albums and would skip over some for unknoen reasons when importing into the list
[11:25] <John85> any playback problems?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> none that I recall
[11:27] <John85> i can play back wav files,  but thats all
[11:29] <BluesKaj> I organize my music library on the back end, music players are just that to me, all they should do is play
[11:30] <John85> yes,  i just wish they would
[11:30] <BluesKaj> then your mp3 plugin must be missing
[11:31] <John85> and wma
[11:31] <John85> most are wma
[11:32] <BluesKaj> mine are mostly wav/lossless
[11:33] <BluesKaj> but amarok is supposed to play practically any format right off
[11:33] <John85> thats probably why you dont have issues playing back
[11:33] <BluesKaj> mp3 plays fine on vlc. I do have a few
[11:35] <BluesKaj> John85, try the #amarok chat
[11:35] <John85> i could convert them,  but that could take ages and would probably take up another 50GB of disk space,  at least
[11:35] <BluesKaj> sound quality won't change either
[11:35] <John85> ok
[11:36] <John85> ill give the amarok channel a try
[11:37] <John85> bye for now
[12:54] <Eightynine> Sound volume is at 100% but in fact it's low. Is it possible to fix that? People here gave me advice to put master at least at 84% on alsa and I did 88. It didn't help.
[13:49] <_Wens_> hi all! how to disable packagekit service on kubuntu 17.04?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> _Wens_, what is doing that makes you want to disable it, the only method I can see is remove it
[14:51] <marco-parillo> Question on Snaps versus PPAs: When I add a PPA, my normal apt processes (discover or command line) update the packages in there also. Do they also execute sudo snap refresh under the covers, or does that need to be part of my routine housekeeping (and is there an 'updates' available notification for snaps)?
[14:55] <_Wens_> BluesKaj, i want disable auto search update on startup
[14:56] <BluesKaj> _Wens_, you probly mean unattended upgrades, just uninstall it
[14:57] <BluesKaj> just make sure you update and upgrade a couple times/wk
[14:59] <_Wens_> BluesKaj, thank you
[15:00] <BluesKaj> _Wens_,  you're welcome :-)
 Good day everyone!
[17:04] <BluesKaj> hi DGUERRERO
 @BluesKaj, Hi, how are you and how's your Kubuntu running?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> DGUERRERO,it's running very well
 I'm having a bug with networkmamager and plasma, but I'm probably the only one with it
 When I'm connecting to a network with DHCP, the entire plasma freezes until the DHCP setup has finished
[17:57] <BluesKaj> DGUERRERO, I must confess i don't run network-manager, using a static lan ip and i control the network connection in the interfaces file
[17:57] <BluesKaj>  in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:39] <zorin> how do i get this module to work http://codepad.org/ZmikYs1I
 The thing is I work with networking, so I have to test constantly DNS, Dhcp, Nat, public IPs, etc....
[18:47] <user|82232> hi >> i use kubuntu 16.010 , i want uprade it to 17.04 but i delete all scusrs
[18:47] <user|82232> how i can update it ?!
[19:10] <marcus__> yd
[19:10] <marcus__> hey
[19:10] <marcus__> guys
[19:11] <marcus__> helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:11] <marcus__> bye then
[20:03] <marcus__> hello
[20:03] <marcus__> guys
[20:10] <marco-parillo> and gals
[20:12] <marco-parillo> How many goodly creatures are there here! / How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world / That has such people in't!
[20:21] <alesan> hello
[20:21] <alesan> I'm running Kubuntu 16.04.2
[20:22] <alesan> wihch should be thelatest LTS
[20:22] <alesan> what is the name of the login manager? the entity that asks for userbame and password before entering in the graphical environment
[20:23] <marcus__> hey
[20:24] <marcus__> hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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[20:24] <marcus__> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[20:25] <marcus__> hi
 @alesan, Hi, in Kubuntu 16.04 LTS the login manager is lightdm
[20:33] <alesan> IrcsomeBot, thanks, yes I see it in the process list
[20:33] <alesan> how can I change the timeout when one enters a wrong password
 @DGUERRERO, Sorry, no, I was thinking in 14.04, in 16.04 should be sddm
[20:33] <alesan> sddm?
[20:34] <alesan> that is not in the process list
 @alesan, Sddm is the systemd daemon I  think
 Can you run "systemctl status sddm"
[20:36] <alesan> ● sddm.service - Simple Desktop Display Manager
[20:36] <alesan>    Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service; static; vendor preset: enabled)
[20:36] <alesan>    Active: inactive (dead)
 @alesan, As your original question, do you want to reduce or extend the timeout?
[20:45] <alesan> reduce
[20:45] <alesan> ideally to zero for the first two or three attempts and then leave it as it is
 @alesan, Could be wrong, but I think it can't be zero, but you can disable it. I don't remember right now the exact file who does that, I think is /etc/pam.d/commom-auth or /etc/pam.d/login
 Sorry can't help you fine, but currently I'm on a bus heading home
[21:04] <marcus__> hey de fiance