[06:02] <kaidelong> kdesu is missing
[06:02] <kaidelong> does kubuntu use something else, or did it somehow get removed?
[06:03] <kaidelong> I cannot install updates right now because the update manager can't get authorization
[06:04] <valorie> kaidelong: I did updates today
[06:04] <valorie> how are you doing them?
[06:05] <kaidelong> valorie: the built in GUI update notifier/manager
[06:05] <kaidelong> Muon, I think it's called
[06:05] <kaidelong> Muon won't let me install updates
[06:05] <valorie> interesting
[06:06] <kaidelong> this is the default account generated by the installer so it should have wheel, well I know it has wheel because sudo works
[06:06] <kaidelong> there's no kdesu on my system so maybe that's the problem but it might just be because kubuntu does something else
[06:06] <valorie> have you checked launchpad to see if this has been reported?
[06:06] <kaidelong> how do I do that?
[06:06]  * valorie goes to check for kdesu
[06:07] <valorie> oh, what version of kubuntu are you updating?
[06:07] <valorie> I would do `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade` but I'm in vivid
[06:08] <kaidelong> trusty tahr LTS
[06:09] <kaidelong> apparently kdesu is missing because kubuntu uses kdesudo, and that's there, so that's not the problem
[06:09] <valorie> right, I have only kdesudo
[06:09] <kaidelong> oh things can't connect to pulseaudio anymore
[06:09] <kaidelong> I wonder if the problem is that dbus crashed and I have to reboot
[06:10] <valorie> so try: `sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade` or `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` if you don't want to upgrade applications
[06:11] <valorie> do this in yakuake, konsole or one of the consoles
[06:12] <kaidelong> did that now, so the updates are done at least
[06:12] <valorie> cool
[06:12] <valorie> you might also try, in the cli: ubuntu-bug muon
[06:12] <valorie> and report on the updater
[06:14] <valorie> it is simply the best way to report bugs IMO
[06:14] <kaidelong> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qapt/+bug/875657
[06:15] <valorie> fix released - so someone hasn't done a backport
[06:15] <valorie> you might add a comment to that effect
[06:15] <valorie> unless you got an update of muon-updater in that load of updates
[06:16] <valorie> which would be ironic
[06:19] <kaidelong> the troubling thing is that the updater had worked in the past
[06:19] <kaidelong> today is the first time I saw this behavior
[06:20] <valorie> did you mark that you are affected?
[06:20] <valorie> and add a comment?
[06:25] <kaidelong> someone reported a year ago that the bug is still extant in 14.04 LTS
[06:25] <kaidelong> I'm not sure why this bug is marked fixed
[06:27] <kaidelong> mm, this might be a different bug, polkit-kde-1 is installed here already
[06:28] <kaidelong> I think some daemon or service is down, pulseaudio is not working either
[06:29] <valorie> you said dbus had crashed
[06:29] <valorie> might be time to logout
[06:29] <kaidelong> well, I said I suspected it
[06:29] <kaidelong> I don't know how to check that
[06:29] <valorie> ok
[06:29] <valorie> they might know in #kde
[06:29] <kaidelong> something in /var/log presumably
[06:34] <kaidelong> KDE can't reboot or shutdown right now
[06:34] <kaidelong> I guess I'll do it from the console
[06:34] <kaidelong> definitely seems like there has been a dbus problem
[06:45] <kaidelong> okay well
[06:45] <kaidelong> something severe happened some point in the past
[06:45] <kaidelong> pulseaudio no longer works
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:34] <soee> good morning
[10:08] <rosco_y> Would it be helpful to set a fixed IP address when wanting to share a MySQL server between two desktops?
[10:09] <v3nd3tta``> rosco_y, you could reference the local dns. hostname.local
[10:09] <rosco_y> v3nd3tta``: ty, Can you tell me how to do that?
[10:10] <rosco_y> ALERT:  (NOOB NOOOB NOOB)
[10:10] <v3nd3tta``> get a terminal open on the host
[10:10] <v3nd3tta``> type in "hostname"
[10:10] <rosco_y> .
[10:10] <rosco_y> ok, it's "mongooseHP"
[10:11] <v3nd3tta``> type in that on the other pc with a "mongooseHP.local"
[10:11] <rosco_y> in a terminal?
[10:11] <v3nd3tta``> if your router uses .local (and not (.fritz.box) or something like that
[10:11] <v3nd3tta``> no just where you want to use the mysql db
[10:11] <rosco_y> I haven't done anything special in the router
[10:12] <rosco_y> are you saying to use "mongooseHP.local" in the mysql connection string?
[10:12] <v3nd3tta``> hope you get it right.
[10:13] <v3nd3tta``> should be right. ping that address first
[10:13] <rosco_y> :) cool
[10:13] <v3nd3tta``> from the other host
[10:13] <v3nd3tta``> and you should have that "host" always available when you want to use it.
[10:13] <v3nd3tta``> brb
[10:13] <rosco_y> I can ping it from the guest:   :))?
[10:15] <rosco_y> I think I'm getting close--the server is talking back and not letting me in :)
[10:16] <rosco_y> gotta find my coffee cup.....brb
[10:19] <rosco_y> I'm getting "unknown database errors when I'm trying to login
[10:20] <rosco_y> well, specifically, "unknown database 'mongooseHP.local'
[10:20] <rosco_y> my command line was: mysql -u ross -p -server mongooseHP.local -D SUDOCUBE
[10:21] <rosco_y> my database is "SUDOCUBE"
[10:21] <rosco_y> I guess it could be my local instance of mysql that's prompting me for a password...
[10:22] <rosco_y> maybe my progress is more percieved than actual
[10:22] <rosco_y> I'll go see if anyone is awake in #mysql :)
[12:10] <rosco_y> when I try to telnet to a pc on my ethernet, I get: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused.   How do I fix this?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:17] <Jiyuhen> Hi all!
[13:18] <Jiyuhen> QQ which I cannot find the answer too. As it seems, my root drive is full and I have no Idea why
[13:18] <Jiyuhen> How can I check, what is going on with root?
[14:03] <host127> Hey! Yaffs not sets chattr on files like ext. Why? May it be to prevent you loose control? :0
[14:03] <host127> STUPID LIARS!
[15:02] <Fricobi> Hi?
[15:02] <Fricobi> Is anybody here?
[15:03] <mparillo> !ask
[15:09] <Walex> Fricobi: you!
[15:10] <Fricobi> hehe, i know
[15:11] <Fricobi> well, i've got a question for anyone who'll be clever than i am with computers...
[15:13] <Fricobi> i've got installed in my laptop (dell inspiron 5521) Windows 8.1 and OpenSuse 13.1, and i want to remove OpenSuse 13.1 just for install Kubuntu in its space. I've read that i can delete the OpenSuse partitions from Windows session (obiously) but... what happens with Grub partition?
[15:14] <yossarianuk> Fricobi: you are better off using the kubuntu installer to replace existing opensuse install
[15:15] <Fricobi> yossarianuk: i've thought about it, and remove the partitions from kubuntu installer, but also the 9Mb grub partition?
[15:16] <yossarianuk> Fricobi: i.e the bios boot partition ?
[15:16] <yossarianuk> (I assume you are using GPT but no UEFI  then?)
[15:16] <yossarianuk> 9MB would be too small to use as /boot
[15:21] <Fricobi> yossarianuk: I don't know, i had to change the boot mode from UEFI (proper of Windows 8.1) to a mode called "legacy", which let me then start my OpenSuse SO automatically (and, if i wanted to enter to my Windows 8.1 SO, i had to press F12 to the boot setup for choosing UEFI mode boot)
[15:22] <Walex> Fricobi: you misunderstand maybe how things work with GNU/Linux systems...
[15:23] <Walex> Fricobi: Linux filetrees like the '/' one of a distribution get installed to _block devices_ not to "partitions". Partitions contain a block device. You don't need to delete a partition to overwrite an old SUSE filetree with a new Kubuntu one.
[15:24] <Walex> Fricobi: because installation overwrites whichever block device you point it to.
[15:24] <yossarianuk> i don't get why you needed legacy to boot opensuse - its fully UEFI compatible...
[15:25] <Walex> Fricobi: where "block device" means something similar to "fixed size file".
[15:28] <Fricobi> Walex: So, if i start the Kubuntu installer and i select the places where Suse is installed, it will overwrite kubuntu over suse and it will be already done?
[15:30] <Fricobi> and it doesn't matter anything with the boot setup?
[15:41] <Walex> Fricobi: the boot setup is mostly just another filetree.
[15:42] <Walex> Fricobi: if you have something installed in some partition/block device you can just overwrite it.
[15:43] <Walex> Fricobi: the installer most likely will tell you there is an existing filetree, and ask you whether you want to overwrite it.
[18:01] <lunat1k> !list
[18:09] <sweetroll> join #1on1
[18:09] <sweetroll> #1on1
[19:07] <georgelappies> hi all
[19:07] <georgelappies> when will 4.14.3 be backported to 14.04?
[20:17] <bryn> hello all
[20:18] <kaidelong> can someone recommend a good package to give ubuntu nice coloring in bash?
[20:18] <kaidelong> like on gentoo and kin
[20:18] <kaidelong> kubuntu*
[20:19] <kaidelong> I could switch away from bash or konsole if that is neccessary
[20:19] <lordievader> kaidelong: Write a .bashrc file?
[20:20] <bprompt> kaidelong:    "nice" coloring in bash?   wasss dat?
[20:20] <kaidelong> no package for that in the repos?
[20:20] <kaidelong> bprompt: IE, ls shows symbolic links in blue
[20:20] <bprompt> I mean...  hmmm  konsole does a lot of that already, even background image and transparency
[20:20] <kaidelong> mmm, konsole gives me monochrome output right now, maybe it's a konsole setting that I need to change?
[20:21] <bprompt> kaidelong:      those are configurable in "ls"..... it has a .rc file for that... where you set what colors you want for whatever extension or folders
[20:21] <bprompt> lemme poke the manpages
[20:21] <lordievader> ~everything in Linux is configurable.
[20:22] <kaidelong> yeah but part of why I'm using kubuntu is that I really don't want to have to configure it myself and would rather use packages, I guess there aren't any in the repos though, couldn't find anything suggestive with apt-cache
[20:22] <kaidelong> I guess I'll just see if I can find some .rcs in a tar or something
[20:22] <bprompt> kaidelong:    but what you're referring, is not a "terminal" option per se, so much as an "ls" command configuration
[20:25] <kaidelong> is there a KDE command line tool that sends the clipboard to stdout?
[20:26] <bprompt> kaidelong:    yes, "paste" :)
[20:26] <bprompt> or ctrl-v or shift-ctrl-insert
[20:26] <bprompt> or.. shift-insert rather
[20:34] <bprompt> kaidelong:    http://linux.die.net/man/5/dir_colors
[20:34] <rberg> kaidelong: 'xsel -o
[20:34] <rberg> 'xsel -o' does that
[20:34] <bprompt> kaidelong:    though i must say, I don't have one myself.... thoug in the past I've edited it to change colors of ... symlinks usually, or some extensions
[21:19] <alex___> Hi all )
[23:52] <richard28711> i am trying to use Vuze bittorent client and it keeps telling me that it cannot restart due to not having azupdater...how do i get it
[23:55] <richard28711> am i on here someone please respond


[14:20] <eleettx> demonstration
[14:20] <eleettx> i never pay attention to it
[14:42] <Guest92613> quick and painless to do though
[14:42] <Guest92613> I am also sometimes a weirdo but shh.
[14:48] <milindur> JeffATL: what are you really trying to do and why?
[14:48] <milindur> and a cocomplete category should really be called an mplete category ;)
[15:00] <jiffiOSeV> SopaXorzTaker: preshared
[15:00] <jiffiOSeV> I see from the docs that "irc_{join,part,quit}" works for filtering those messages out. What arguments do you use for nick changes and mode sets?
[15:09] <ObilanRN> _sfiguser: I actually did a year ago. I configured emacs from scratch for my needs and I tried spacemacs
[15:09] <ObilanRN> but there's a lot of talk now about utility liability
[15:09] <ObilanRN> :tab q:  <-- why doesnt that work ?
[15:09] <ObilanRN> yeah, but it won't show the bootscreen
[16:30] <mindcrimesiz> subnaught: false. the compiler autogenerates default constructors as needed
[16:30] <mindcrimesiz> Thank you so much. I will use sed to convert -'s to .'s. Should be more efficient than python3-re
[17:34] <zen2> I've only been able to find 2/3
[17:34] <zen2> if they're crazy enough to support non-linux kernels for any time period, supporting other inits shouldn't be anything


[03:20] <Takyoji> tonyyarusso: The managed switch I was talking about previously that I couldn't get a serial connection with is: 3com 4210 26-port


[05:41] <mborzecki> morning
[07:01] <pstolowski> morning
[07:12] <zyga-mbp> good morning :)
[08:29] <mborzecki> wow, copy paste to apps on xorg does not work again :/
[08:56] <zyga-mbp> portal or xwayland?
[09:20] <pstolowski> mvo: hey, wdyt about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10894 ?
[09:20] <mup> PR #10894: o/configcore: allow hostnames up to 253 characters, with dot-delimited elements <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10894>
[10:58] <mvo> pstolowski: uh, sorry, was too busy, let me look again
[11:05] <mup> PR snapd#10894 closed: o/configcore: allow hostnames up to 253 characters, with dot-delimited elements <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10894>
[11:07] <mborzecki> mvo: can you land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10899 ? the failures are unrelated
[11:07] <mup> PR #10899: packaging: fixes for building on openSUSE <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10899>
[11:10] <mup> PR snapd#10907 opened: interfaces: timezone-control, add permission for ListTimezones DBus call <Created by ogra1> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10907>
[11:15] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks!
[11:15] <mborzecki> mvo: also, can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10901 ? it uses epochs now
[11:15] <mup> PR #10901: overlord: add managers unit test demonstrating cyclic dependency between gadget and kernel updates <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10901>
[11:15] <mup> PR snapd#10899 closed: packaging: fixes for building on openSUSE <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10899>
[11:20] <mborzecki> mardy: was it you who ad problems with some apparmor capability entry that was not understood by old apparmor_parser?
[11:22] <mardy> mborzecki: it was about seccomp, but it was happening because I was testing a newer version of snapd, while having the old snap-seccomp binary
[11:22] <mardy> mborzecki: so not something that would normally affect end users
[11:22] <mborzecki> ah ok, i recall someone mentioning a problem like this and i need to look into related issue with capability="bpf"
[11:23] <pstolowski> mvo: thanks! can you also merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10699 ?
[11:23] <mup> PR #10699: daemon: allow enabling enforce mode <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10699>
[11:28]  * pstolowski going to the doctor. bbiab
[11:50] <ares0128> Hi, I tried adding serial port interface in the gadget with path (without product and vendor id) and it does not add the interface to the udev rules. But i when add the product and vendor id to the serial port interface, it adds it. Is this a bug?
[12:01] <ogra> ares0128, is this a USB device ? else there would be no udev rules needed, you just add "path: /dev/XYZ1" and all consumers of that serial-port interface should get full access to that path, vendor anmd product should only be needed for USB->Serial devices
[12:02] <ogra> (and if it is a USB device, it will *need* both indeed)
[12:03] <ares0128> its connected to uart ports so i cant get their ids
[12:03] <ogra> well, but you get a /dev/XXX node created from the kernel ?
[12:04] <ares0128> yes i do
[12:05] <ogra> so a simple serial-port device with path: shoudl be sufficient ... your apps should just use the serial-port plug then and you need to properly connect the interfaces
[12:05] <ogra> ... that should give your app access to /dev/XXX
[12:06] <ogra> (there are no udev rules needed in that case ... )
[12:06] <ares0128> yeah that works, but i have to modify the udevrules to give a custom port name
[12:06] <ogra> why do you need to give a custom port name beyonf /dev/XXX ?
[12:06] <ogra> *beyond
[12:06] <ares0128> for eg, SUBSYSTEM=="tty", KERNEL=="ttyAMA1", SYMLINK+="gnss", MODE="0666"
[12:07] <ares0128> yes
[12:07] <ogra> why ? 🙂
[12:07] <ogra> your app should simply access /dev/ttyAMA1 here ...
[12:08] <ares0128> yeah, just for readaiblity
[12:08] <ares0128> moreover i want to run a script on detecting the port
[12:08] <ares0128> so , SUBSYSTEM=="tty", KERNEL=="ttyAMA1", SYMLINK+="gnss", MODE="0666", RUN+= "some script. sh"
[12:10] <ares0128> '=D
[12:11] <ogra> you can do that from a scripted daemon instead:
[12:11] <ogra> https://github.com/ogra1/dashkiosk-client-image-config/blob/master/netplan-import#L16
[12:13] <ogra> just create a snap with your "some script. sh" inside, wrap it in a udevadm monitor call like above (with the correct subsystem indeed) ... and you should be good ...
[12:13] <ogra> ... and make it a daemon indeed
[12:15] <ares0128> ok i will give it a try
[12:15] <pstolowski> re
[12:15] <ares0128> would this reload the udev rules?
[12:16] <ares0128> i dont understand why we dont have to reload udev rules after modifying it using a install hook
[12:21] <ogra> the script solution does not need the udev rules ... it uses udevadm monitor to watch udev
[12:21] <ogra> you can use any property udev knows about to trigger it ...
[14:05] <mborzecki> mvo: ijohnson: fwiw i came up with some code that can block clone3 with enosys, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/compare/master...bboozzoo:bboozzoo/clone-3-enosys unit tests aren't passing yet, but i was able to verify on a box that clone3() indeed gets blocked with this specific errno and the program still works
[14:05] <mvo> mborzecki: nice!
[14:42] <sil2100> mvo: hey! We might need some help on 21.10 from people that know the snap-workings!
[14:44] <sil2100> We have this bug reported: LP: #1946656
[14:44] <mup> Bug #1946656: [daily impish-live-server] snap stuck in the installer system <snapd:New> <subiquity:New> <Ubuntu CD Images:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1946656>
[14:48] <sil2100> So basically it's causing a hang of `snap list` etc. commands once networking is up on the installer, and as per Brian's screenshot it feels like some snapcraft API call failure?
[14:50] <sil2100> Does anyone have a hunch as for what could be the case here?
[15:03] <ijohnson[m]> sil2100: do we have any logs ?
[15:04] <ijohnson[m]> i.e. not screenshots of logs but full logs 🙂
[15:05] <ijohnson[m]> bboozzoo: very cool, not sure I agree with the syntax in the file around specifying to return ENOSYS, but that's awesome that you got it to work
[15:09] <sil2100> Okay, I think this might have been a snapstore temporary issue
[15:30] <pstolowski> that's odd though, i don't think any store issue should cause this
[16:06] <mup> PR snapd#10903 closed: gadget/ondisk.go: include the filesystem UUID in the returned OnDiskVolume <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10903>
[16:46] <mup> Issue core20#117 opened: no license shown in snapstore <Created by grobbie> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issues/117>
[17:06] <dbungert> ijohnson[m]: what logs would you like?
[17:11] <ijohnson[m]> dbungert: well if it's still an issue, logs from snapd mainly `journalctl --no-pager -u snapd`
[17:11] <ijohnson[m]> bonus points if beforehand you can put snapd into debug mode with SNAPD_DEBUG=1, either putting that in a systemd drop in or with i.e. systemctl edit snapd or /etc/environment works too
[17:12] <dbungert> I'll send you the non-debug log first since that's what I have
[17:13] <dbungert> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C2sXjby3Sh/
[17:17] <ijohnson[m]> ack, sounds good
[17:26] <dbungert> ijohnson[m]: yes, it is still an issue sadly.  debug version https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NZQKQSxgtR/
[18:02] <ijohnson[m]> dbungert: huh that's odd it looks like something is trying to tell snapd to stop while it is processing the results from the store, would you mind putting that into the bug and then also putting into the bug the output of `systemctl status snapd` and `snap changes`
[18:03]  * ijohnson[m] needs to go afk for 2ish hours, will be back in PM to look again
[18:07] <dbungert> is there another way to get `snap changes` info if the socket is rejecting connections?
[18:07] <ijohnson[m]> dbungert: `sudo snap debug state /var/lib/snapd/state.json`
[19:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#3590 opened: snap: correct patch path quotes <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3590>
[20:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#3590 closed: snap: correct patch path quotes <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3590>
[20:42] <mwhudson> ijohnson[m]: so i think the store stuff is a red herring, i can reproduce in a vm with no network
[20:42] <mwhudson> ijohnson[m]: the symptom is that SIGTERM is not making snapd exit
[20:43] <mwhudson> how do i make snapd vomit everything into the journal, SNAPD_DEBUG=3 still?
[20:43] <ijohnson[m]> SNAPD_DEBUG=1 and if you want all the gory http details it's SNAPD_DEBUG_HTTP=7
[20:46] <mwhudson> yeah i just get "Exiting on terminating signal"
[20:46] <mwhudson> and it doesn't exit
[20:46] <mwhudson> or hmm maybe it does but just takes a while
[20:46] <ijohnson[m]> Maybe try snap debug traceback I think?
[20:47] <mwhudson> debug stacktraces i think
[20:47] <ijohnson[m]> Ah yeah that's it
[20:49] <mwhudson> i should probably do this in a vm that has network if i want to get the files out :)
[20:55] <mwhudson> well now snap debug stacktraces is hanging too
[20:56] <ijohnson[m]> You can make snapd do the stack trace thing by sending it a signal
[20:56] <ijohnson[m]> Sorry I'm still afk technically just reading on my phone, I'll have a look for real when I'm back at home
[20:56] <mwhudson> do you remember what signal?
[20:56] <mwhudson> and no worries, we can do this better when you're back
[20:57] <ijohnson[m]> One of the sigusrs I think?
[20:57] <ijohnson[m]> I thought it was a go thing iirc not snapd specific
[20:58] <mwhudson> snapd took 221 seconds to die
[20:58] <mwhudson> this seems a little unreasonable :)
[20:58] <mwhudson> but it's behaving now
[20:59] <mwhudson> so something about a signal arriving while some kind of initial setup happening does sort of fit the behaviour
[21:00] <mwhudson> but i guess the initial setup taking 4 or 5 minutes is not expected
[21:01] <mwhudson> oh
[21:01] <mwhudson> Oct 11 20:57:55 ubuntu-server systemd[1]: snapd.service: Watchdog timeout (limit 5min)!
[21:24] <mwhudson> does SNAPD_DEBUG=1 (or snapd.debug=1 on cmdline) make logger.Noticef messages appear?
[21:44] <ijohnson[m]> Noticef messages should always appear
[21:56] <mwhudson> ijohnson[m]: i commented on the bug
[21:57] <mwhudson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1946656 fwiw
[21:57] <mup> Bug #1946656: [daily impish-live-server] snap stuck in the installer system <fr-1794> <snapd:New> <subiquity:New> <Ubuntu CD Images:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1946656>
[23:51] <waltman> Hi. It seems like every time my system's been up for a week or 2, when I run `snap changes` everthing has status "Error". Could someone point me to some help on how to debug things?
[23:52] <waltman> My most recent change line is: 800  Error   today at 15:07 EDT  today at 15:08 EDT  Auto-refresh snap "chromium"
[23:53] <waltman> generally once one package has an error, they all will until the next time I reboot.


[17:56] <khani3s> Hi
[17:56] <khani3s> And yes, I am having problem with a upstart script
[17:57] <khani3s> First I am using ubuntu oneric and I activate User Jobs
[17:57] <khani3s> And my first question is, when i put a script on my $HOME/.init it should be autostarted ?
[18:10] <khani3s> going back to init.d =D


[10:29] <Slown> Hello
[10:29] <Slown> I need your help guys
[10:29] <Slown> I got really small icons and text
[10:29] <Slown> how I can fix that ?
[10:29] <Slown> I have a 15.6 inch display with 1080p resolution
[11:45] <gnugr> Slown: seems you have graphical driver missing
[11:45] <gnugr> probably nvidia driver
[14:00] <rysh3r> hello all:)
[14:02] <rysh3r> anybuddy home ?
[16:42] <introsp3ctive> hello there I have a quick questioin. How does one set up ubuntu-mate to boot directly to the terminal with no GUI?
[17:00] <sixwheeledbeast> I can only think of select it from GRUB at boot
[17:01] <sixwheeledbeast> If you don't need the DE then install server edition?
[17:01] <introsp3ctive> That's what I was thinking of doing but I had already downloaded the regular version so I was seeing if there was an easy way to do it without redownloading a different distro
[17:04] <sixwheeledbeast> Just download ubuntu server LTS, any home directories can be copied. If you never plan to use the DE it's just taking up space.
[17:07] <sixwheeledbeast> Apparently you can change the grub settings:- GRUB_CMLDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT "text" never tried this tho.
[17:08] <sixwheeledbeast> you will need to 'update-grub' after.
[17:12] <introsp3ctive> great thank you
[19:13] <maxrazer> I just installed Quake Shareware and it was listed under "other" in the menu instead of "games".


[07:00] <nhaines> I could've sworn I changed that.
[17:15] <pleia2> I'm wandering around wine country this weekend, likely won't be back in time


[03:06] <DarkTrick> FYI: running VSCode with gdb stopping freezes the whole session
[03:06] <DarkTrick> the only way to get it back is to change TTY and kill gdb
[04:09] <StupidLikeAFox> So, my system here was quite out of date, trying to do the kernel now and getting errors
[04:10] <StupidLikeAFox> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta-hwe/linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04_<IP_ADDRESS>.104_amd64.deb
[04:10] <StupidLikeAFox>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[04:10] <StupidLikeAFox> 18.04lts
[04:12] <StupidLikeAFox> Is something messed up in my repo settings? the other updates went fine
[08:55] <brainwash> StupidLikeAFox: I see version <IP_ADDRESS>.109 in the repo
[08:56] <brainwash> StupidLikeAFox: did you apt update?
[08:57] <brainwash> !info linux-image-generic-hwe bionic
[08:58] <Unit193> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 bionic
[08:58] <Unit193> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 bionic
[09:27] <StupidLikeAFox> brainwash: that did it, thank you
[10:55] <StupidLikeAFox> I suppose you guys have gotten this a lot, but any timeline on when 20.04.1 will be out?
[10:56] <coconut> StupidLikeAFox, normally it's like 2 to 3 months iirc
[10:57] <coconut> and ubuntu comes first
[10:58] <StupidLikeAFox> Fair enough
[10:58] <Unit193> Well, they release at the same time, but should be July.
[11:02] <coconut> !ltsupgrade | StupidLikeAFox
[11:27] <xu-help39w> my xubuntu 20.04 is muted, the sound only works with the headset
[12:43] <dreamon> hello. bought a thinkpad with 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics (rev 02). I copied xubuntu from my old system 1:1 by dd to new maschine. But having issues with graphics.
[12:43] <dreamon> I cannot play videos mpv, vlc, glxgears.. fault by segmentation.
[12:45] <diogenes_> dreamon, which means it wasn't a good idea.
[12:45] <dreamon> diogenes_, that means some work to do.. ;)
[12:46] <diogenes_> dreamon, yes and the first one is to download the iso )
[12:48] <dreamon> Oh no.. thats no way for me. I upgrade since 12.04 and I never gave up, till it worked
[13:17] <coconut> dreamon, then you are a diehard! (most choose easy and reinstall)
[16:14] <hansh> the 20.04 iso have a livesystem that verifies checksums of.. pretty much everything, apparently, on each bootup, that's a nice feature, but is there some way to skip it during startup? doing something that requires quite a bit of reboots and it's annoying to wait for the checksum verification on every bootup (it's a USB2 drive so it takes a while)


[08:56] <Administrator> 2.6.17-10.33 kernel panics
[08:57] <Administrator> at least the current one of that version in edgy, is that a known bug?
[09:57] <infinity> Administrator: You might have to be a bit more specific.
[10:01] <Administrator> infinity, ill report more detailed error in a min or 5/10.
[10:21] <Administrator> infinity, kernel panic not syncing: attempted to kill init kernel_thread helper| above the ther error messg |  process swapper and kernel trehad helper i running 2.6.17-10 generic
[10:27] <Administrator> I can debug further, i do not have a serial console or whatsoever..
[10:28] <infinity> If you can take a picture of the panic, perhaps?
[10:28] <infinity> I have to run, but Ill be back in 20/30.
[11:54] <Administrator> infinity, you there?
[11:54] <Administrator> i can send you ...
[11:54] <Administrator> through mail or dcc ...
[11:58] <infinity><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:58] <infinity> Though, once we determine that it's a bug, and in what package, I'd prefer if you file a bug and attach the image. :)
[12:05] <Administrator> i am a bit bussy today, i'll mail you the images asap and at the end of the day i'll file the bug if things calm down a bit.
[03:08] <Trae> what package is mkinitrd in?
[03:09] <makx> you update-initramfs from initramfs-tools
[03:09] <infinity> mkinitrd is well and truley obsolete.
[03:10] <makx> yes bug on ftp.debian.org is placed, it will soon be gone
[03:10] <Trae> A friend of mine was trying to help me get a fresh kernel compiled
[03:10] <Trae> he doesn't run Ubuntu though, he runs Gentoo
[03:12] <zul_> different ways of working but we dont use mkinitrd as infinity said
[03:13] <Trae> I'm in /usr/src/linux (it's a symlink to /usr/src/linux-<IP_ADDRESS>   I've already done make && make install && make modules_install  and edited grub.
[03:14] <Trae> I got a kernel panic though when It tried to boot
[03:14] <Trae> Cannot open root device hda1
[03:14] <Trae> it says put in a valid root= thingy
[03:14] <Trae> heh
[03:14] <zul_> Trae: check the wiki there is documentation on how to compile a kernel
[03:14] <makx> why do you want a hand build kernel?
[03:15] <Trae> makx: you haven't seen me whinging in here aboutthe laptop overheat bug? :)
[03:15] <Trae> makx: hehe
[03:16] <Trae> I'm a graphic designer, dealing with this kernel stuff is way over my head sadly.
[03:16] <makx> hehe is not a reason :-P
[03:16] <Trae> :P
[03:16] <Trae> so here is the odd thing
[03:16] <makx> yes so use the provided linux images
[03:16] <Trae> oh let me find the bug
[03:16] <Trae> https://launchpad.net/bugs/22336
[03:17] <Trae> check this out... I was able to compile the kernel for like an hour without the laptop overheating or rebooting
[03:17] <Trae> yet 4 mins of playing a Youtube video, and the thing shuts down on me!?
[03:18] <makx> hmm mjg59 is not around he is the local acpi guru
[03:18] <makx> Trae what release are you using?
[03:19] <Trae> Dapper Drake
[03:19] <makx> did you try the Edgy release candidate - the live cd?
[03:20] <Trae> I tried beta
[03:20] <Trae> hmm
[03:20] <makx> and?
[03:20] <Trae> no haven't tried the RC
[03:20] <Trae> the Beta had the sameproblem.
[03:20] <Trae> I will try the RC though
[03:20] <Trae> and of course use the Final
[03:21] <makx> beurk
[03:21] <makx> hmm if i were you i'll wait for the acpi master to show up
[03:22] <infinity> Trae: Laptop overheating bug?
[03:22] <Trae> infinity: https://launchpad.net/bugs/22336
[03:27] <infinity> Okay, this is sad to admit, but I suffer from this bug, and just "cope".
[03:27] <infinity> I'll get my laptop in front of BenC and mjg59 in Mountain View, and see if the three of us can nail it down.
[03:28] <infinity> It actually seems to be bad hardware design mixed with slow response times on throttling.
[03:28] <thom> mjg59's not gonna be there afaik :(
[03:28] <Trae> like clockwork
[03:29] <infinity> (The bad hardware design in my case being that the video RAM is WAY too close to the CPU, and when I overheat in a split second, the video corrupts and the machine crashes)
[03:29] <Trae> 4mins into the youtube video and kerpow
[03:29] <Trae> heh
[03:29] <infinity> thom: Oh, well, BenC and I can deal then.
[03:29] <Trae> infinity: really you have this too?
[03:29] <Trae> infinity: you a kernel developer?
[03:29] <Trae> infinity: w00p!
[03:30] <Trae> wish I was going to be in Mtn View too.
[03:30] <Trae> infinity: whoa,that's quite insightful
[03:30] <Trae> re: ram being too close
[03:31] <Trae> infinity: I will volunteer to help you do whatever you need on this laptop.  Even give youguys ssh access if need be
[03:31] <zul_> infinity: ill be there as well
[03:31] <Trae> infinity: traemccombs {at} gmail d o t com
[03:31] <Trae> :)
[03:31] <Trae> I'll try and lurk here in case you might need me.
[03:35] <Trae> Keybuk: morning!
[03:35] <Trae> :)
[03:35] <Keybuk> heyhey
[03:35] <Trae> Keybuk: infinity says he suffers from the same bug!
[03:35] <Keybuk> oh, that's cool
[03:35] <Trae> Keybuk: and is going to work with BenC in Mtn. View
[03:36] <Trae> Keybuk: sucky for him, good for us hopefully.
[03:36] <zul> argh...who the hell puts their log files in html
[03:37] <infinity> MSN messenger?
[03:37] <zul> no exceed on demand
[03:40] <infinity> Trae: I can't say if it's the *same* bug, as the variables (CPU type, drivers involved as a result, etc) are pretty different, but the end effect is certainly the same (rapid rise in temperature, throttling and/or cooling not kicking in fast enough to cope)
[03:41] <infinity> Trae: So, it could be an underlying timing bug that lives a bit higher up the stack than the individal CPU power drivers.
[03:41] <infinity> Trae: Anyhow, I don't have any time (or the knowlege of that part of the codebase) to look at it in the next week, so there's no hope of it making edgy, but maybe we'll work up some patches for you to test a few weeks after release.
[04:01] <Trae> infinity: no worries, as always, triple my money back if I'm not 100% satisfied :)
[04:02] <tuxmaniac> Hi All.
[04:03] <tuxmaniac> My Card reader on my Compaq laptop not working since I updated to the 2.6.17 series
[04:03] <tuxmaniac> It worked in the Dapper kernel versions
[05:11] <Keybuk> BenC: around?
[06:20] <BenC> Keybuk: yeah
[06:26] <Keybuk> BenC: have been trying to trace the reboot() syscall to find out whether the kernel actually calls sync() before powering down or not
[06:26] <Keybuk> but not having much luck
[06:27] <BenC> Keybuk: I don't know for sure, but I do know that I see scsi disk sync messages on reboot on power down
[06:28] <BenC> filesystems should sync on umount (or remount ro)
[06:28] <mjg59> infinity: On your Thinkpad?
[06:28] <BenC> and I think the block layer handles hw level syncs for any devices with dirty cache
[06:28] <infinity> mjg59: Yeah.
[06:28] <infinity> mjg59: I can blow it up pretty spectacularly.
[06:29] <infinity> mjg59: It *seems* to be heat/throttle related, but given that the same sort of things that generate heat also do other evil things to one's system, I can't be completely sure.
[06:31] <mjg59> infinity: Entirely not Linux's problem
[06:31] <infinity> Well, in the words of the bug submitter, "I can't reproduce this in Windows".
[06:31] <mjg59> As far as I can tell, at least. Is it really getting to more than 91 degrees?
[06:32] <mjg59> When I say "not Linux's problem", I mean "The hardware may be making assumptions that are not guaranteed"
[06:32] <mjg59> Thinkpads don't have any OS-level fan control
[06:32] <mjg59> And they're not supposed to throttle until 90 degrees CPU temp or so
[06:32] <infinity> Yeah, I've been curious about that.
[06:32] <infinity> Fan usage patterns seem drastically different in Win32 and Linux, but I'd swear the kernel does no fan control.
[06:33] <infinity> So I have no idea WTF is up with that.
[06:33] <mjg59> If you have no /proc/acpi/fan/*, the kernel does no fan control
[06:33] <infinity> I do not. :)
[06:33] <mjg59> For whatever reason, Windows probably drives the hardware in such a way that it generates less heat
[06:34] <infinity> The only time the fan on this EVER spins into vacuum mode is on POST.  Which is worrying.
[06:34] <infinity> (In Windows, it'll vacuum every once in a while on its own)
[06:34] <mjg59> The processor is probably never getting hot enough to trigger it
[06:49] <Keybuk> BenC: hmm, I'm trying to determine whether the "sync(); sleep(2)" is necessary in /sbin/reboot
[06:49] <Keybuk> we already know that ifdown'ing the interfaces and putting the drives to standby is unnecessary
[07:49] <BenC> Keybuk: Probably not necessary, but "better safe than sorry"


[00:45] <virtu> and now with behringer
[00:45] <virtu> finally
[20:42] <virtu> hi
[20:43] <virtu> trying to install windows 7 in another note here... 10 x 0 to notebook =/
[21:43] <holstein> virtu: congrats on the gear


[03:22] <az7> awwwwww yeah!
[03:34] <kwadroke> it's time
[03:34] <kwadroke> :)
[03:35] <az7> its always time
[03:57] <Ahmuck_> here
[03:57] <Ahmuck_> hiya
[04:00] <DoubleB> hi
[04:01] <Ahmuck_> hi Douc
[04:01] <Ahmuck_> DoubleB:
[04:01] <Ahmuck_> auto complete didn't work
[04:01] <Ahmuck_> sorry
[04:02] <az7> hey hey
[04:06] <kwadroke> so anything new in the world of ubuntu?
[04:12] <az7> when are we doing wayland?
[04:13] <DoubleB> I think wayland is maybe 2 more releases out?
[04:14] <kwadroke> I think it needs to mature a little before going into Ubuntu
[04:16] <az7> probably true
[04:16] <DoubleB> anyone using Firefox 4 tonight?
[04:16] <az7> like a boss
[04:17] <DoubleB> I am glad they stepped up their game
[04:18] <az7> they're supposed to step up their release cycle too
[04:18] <DoubleB> yeah
[04:18] <DoubleB> nothing like a little chrome to cpmpete against :P
[04:19] <DoubleB> compete*
[04:19] <az7> anybody use firefox mobile?
[04:20] <DoubleB> yeah i have been messing with it.
[04:21] <DoubleB> a little bit of a memory hog
[04:21] <az7> i'll have to give a shot
[04:23] <DoubleB> it is a step in a good direction. the java script engine kicks ass
[04:25] <az7> i think lifehacker? had some benchmarks.. looked pretty speedy in that department
[04:27] <az7> welcome
[04:27] <DoubleB> Hi organica
[04:27] <organica> Howdy folks.
[04:27] <organica> I'm up in NWA.
[04:28] <az7> cool, same hereish
[04:28] <organica> Anybody here on the NWALUG google groups?
[04:28] <az7> yup
[04:30] <organica> Good deal - it's a shame we can't get organized.  I just had a small meeting with the new-ish UALUG  (University of Arkansas Fayetteville LUG).  We're talking about having a install fest for Natty.
[04:30] <DoubleB> that is awesome
[04:30] <az7> that'd be pretty sweet, have you talked to the freegeek guys?
[04:31] <organica> Not sure when, but likely during the day on campus.  No i haven;t talked to them yet.  We just spawned the idea today.
[04:31] <organica> I can fire of the suggestion to NWALUG
[04:31] <organica> I'd like to see openSUSE, Fedora, and Mandriva there too.
[04:32] <organica> But focus on Ubuntu 10.04 and 11.04 of course
[04:33] <DoubleB> we had one at neacug. we installed one for an older gentleman. but we had fun and he learned a lot.
[04:33] <organica> That sounds pretty fun DoubleB.
[04:33] <kwadroke> organica: I'm on the NWA Mailing list
[04:33] <organica> Hi kwadroke, you're in LR right?
[04:34] <organica> I remember seeing your website sometime back - openSUSE user correct?
[04:35] <kwadroke> Conway. Don't use openSuse
[04:35] <kwadroke> I use Ubuntu mostly
[04:35] <organica> Sorry for the mistake.
[04:36] <kwadroke> np
[04:36] <organica> Has anybody had experience ordering install fest materials from Canonical?  Do they provide that kind of material?
[04:38] <DoubleB> there is a website where materials are available but I can't remeber the url
[04:39] <kwadroke> as far as I know they just send discs
[04:40] <DoubleB> spreadubuntu.org
[04:40] <organica> Looks like GA Tech got some stuff from Canonical for their install fest.  I'll see if I can email someone there about that.
[05:31] <Ahmuck_> wayland?
[05:33] <Ahmuck_> nite