[14:19] <ricotz> mamarley, hi, are you running eoan with 435 yet?
[14:45] <mamarley> ricotz: Yep, it seems to work fine.
[14:49] <ricotz> mamarley, I am suspecting gnome-shell has a problem with it, at least I think it is causing my problem here
[14:49] <mamarley> Yeah, I use KDE, so I wouldn't have run into that.
[14:49] <ricotz> I am getting stuck in the activity-overview
[14:49] <ricotz> I see


[01:58] <LjL> yay, ban searching feature in the svn konversation
[02:29] <apokryphos> I only just joined #ubuntu (don't ask). Has hyperactivecrond said something recently?
[02:30] <nalioth> apokryphos: been silent since he joined
[02:30] <apokryphos> ok, thanks
[02:30] <nalioth> @lart apokryphos
[02:30] <apokryphos> < hyperactivecrond> somebody tell people in #ubuntu to do xgamma -rgamma 5 to improve performance
[02:31] <apokryphos> < hyperactivecrond> then watch them complain about their screens being all red.
[02:31] <nalioth> sounds trollish to me
[02:31] <apokryphos> but nevermind; worth keeping an eye on
[02:33] <apokryphos> @lart SportChick and nalioth for their evilness
[02:33] <apokryphos> dang, doesn't use the for
[02:33] <apokryphos> but ouch, pretty harsh lart ;)
[02:36] <nalioth> who's evil?
[02:37] <apokryphos> the nalioth
[02:37] <apokryphos> nalioth: happy you can reboot your computer again now? ;)
[02:37] <nalioth> apokryphos: huh?
[02:37] <apokryphos> since you don't have to run the bot
[02:38] <nalioth> oh that
[02:38] <nalioth> the downtime was negligible
[02:38] <apokryphos> nalioth: did you ever try running irssi on your DH account?
[02:39] <nalioth> apokryphos: it works, but the perl support is lacking
[02:40] <apokryphos> I was told they kill all irssi sessions they find :o
[02:40] <nalioth> not at all
[02:40] <nalioth> i've specifically asked them about this before i signed up
[02:41] <apokryphos> I see; I could never get it to compile, though :/
[02:41] <apokryphos> how bad can the perl support really be?
[02:41] <nalioth> i did a uname -a and compiled it locally on one of my x86 machines (static compiile)
[02:41] <nalioth> then uploaded it
[02:42] <apokryphos> hah
[02:42] <apokryphos> perhaps I should do that; I'm moving around so much these days that screen+irssi is becoming so much more convenient
[02:43] <nalioth> just don't expect much perl support
[02:44] <apokryphos> nalioth: what exactly did you use uname -a for? To try and get the same kernel?
[02:45] <nalioth> apokryphos: i wanted to see what was running on the DH box
[02:45] <nalioth> so i could hope for compatibility
[02:46] <nalioth> y'know it'd suck to compile it on ubuntu and the DH box be *BSD
[02:47] <apokryphos> did you compile irssi with perl libraries statically linked?
[02:48] <apokryphos> it's debian; though this machine is suse. We'll see ;)
[02:48] <nalioth> apokryphos: i tried to compile it statically
[02:49] <nalioth> it works on the DH box, but no weird perl support for the weird scripts/aliases
[02:49] <apokryphos> it compiles statically by default, but not for the perl libs
[02:49] <apokryphos> maybe you'd need to compile the perl libraries statically too; hm, could try it.
[03:02] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, Toxicity999 said: !no one is every in #ubuntuforums-hardware lol
[03:03] <AMDXP> hi can i please be tested for the DCC exploit
[03:03] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:04] <LjL> AMDXP: sure
[03:04] <LjL> join ##ljl please
[03:05] <LjL> AMDXP: you're good, wait a second
[03:06] <AMDXP> thank u
[03:06] <LjL> wow
[03:06] <LjL> this one was *old*
[03:06] <LjL> he's been forwarded like... ages ago
[03:07] <LjL> ah well no, there's on for late march
[03:29] <ubotu> In #ubuntu+1, h-bomb said: !when is the final feisty coming out
[03:52] <ubotu> intelikey called the ops in #kubuntu
[03:58] <nalioth> yep, he did
[04:10] <ubotu> In ubotu, intelikey said: netbeans is there may be information about installing netbeans at <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Netbeans?highlight=%28netbeans%29>
[05:09] <effie_jayx> hey guys
[05:09] <effie_jayx> trouble in effects
[05:14] <nalioth> effie_jayx: just drop it, please
[05:14] <effie_jayx> cool
[05:16] <nixternal> nalioth: I noticed you quieted a bot in #kubuntu earlier (ebotvine), any reason you didn't remove him?
[05:16] <nalioth> nixternal: no reason to
[05:16] <nixternal> k
[05:17] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  sorry about that... the guy was just too intense and someone had to tell him to keep it friendly
[05:17] <effie_jayx> then he went personal
[05:20] <nixternal> is there a reason why ubotu won't spit out bug info when requested in #ubuntu-chicago?
[05:20] <nalioth> lag?
[05:20] <nalioth> no telling
[05:20] <nalioth> you'll have to poke the botmaster
[05:20] <nixternal> @lart Seveas
[05:20] <nixternal> bastage!
[05:21] <nixternal> heh, has a helicoptor ever been that high before?
[05:21] <nalioth> @lart his master
[05:21] <nixternal> hehe
[05:23] <nalioth> night
[05:23] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:29] <Tm_T> 06:26 -!- mode/#kubuntu [+b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>by Tm_T
[05:29] <Tm_T> 06:26 -!- ebotvine was kicked from #kubuntu by Tm_T [No bots thank you]
[05:30] <Tm_T> that did wake me up, now I can go to work :)
[08:09] <mneptok> Seveas Seveas Seveas.
[09:11] <Seveas> mneptok mneptok mneptok mneptok mneptok mneptok mneptok!
[09:18] <Madpilot> Run, it's the Hobbsee!
[09:18] <Tm_T> hmh
[10:45] <Hobbsee> @lart 37 mneptok
[10:48] <Fujitsu> ... how useful.
[10:49] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: and how many bugs have you closed today?
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Hm, one or two.
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Not enough, that's for sure.
[10:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: indeed.  SO GET FIXING!
[10:51] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:52] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[10:53] <Fujitsu> I've done an enormous amount of bug work, but very little uploading, lately.
[10:53] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[10:53] <Hobbsee> when will you come to UDS?
[10:54] <Fujitsu> When it's next in AU, probably.
[10:54] <Fujitsu> :(
[10:54] <Hobbsee> awww
[10:54] <Hobbsee> sponsorship?
[10:55] <Fujitsu> What reason do I have for being sponsored? It's not as if I do anything particularly special...
[10:55] <Hobbsee> MOTU stuff.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> and yes you do
[10:55] <Fujitsu> And I'm 16. That's not going to help.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> you're one of hte more sane MOTU's
[10:55] <Fujitsu> Sorry, I'm not even 16 yet.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> meh
[10:56] <Hobbsee> too young to drink, then :P
[11:47] <mneptok> jenda: ping
[11:47] <jenda> uh oh
[11:48] <mneptok> hey!
[11:48] <mneptok> when do nicks expire from lack of use?
[11:48] <Seveas> 60 days, but not automatically
[11:49] <mneptok> ah, new co-worker's desired nick is regged, but not used for 1 year 17 weeks 6 days
[11:49] <Seveas> heh
[11:49] <Seveas> that's fixable
[11:49] <mneptok> neatokins
[11:49] <Seveas> jenda, on a similar note, see PM
[11:49] <mneptok> "drago"
[11:50] <jenda> yes, 60 days
[11:50] <mneptok> thanks Seveas
[11:50] <jenda> mneptok: yes, I can do drago
[11:50] <jenda> i'll need him to /nick to it first
[11:50] <mneptok> roger
[11:51] <jenda> drago: all yours
[11:51] <jenda> Oh My God.
[11:51] <drago> thanks jenda :)
[11:51] <jenda> Are they all the same? :)
[11:51] <Fujitsu> Oh no, more mneptoks!
[11:51] <jenda> ubuntu: done, too
[11:52] <mc44> no one had ubuntu?
[11:52] <jenda> mc44: yes, but hasn't used it for weeks.
[11:52] <ubuntu> someone had. Now /me is that someone :)
[11:52] <mc44> loopholetastic!
[11:52] <jenda> Seveas: the two of us now own the two coolest nicks on the network
[11:53] <jenda> hehe
[11:53] <jenda> too late.
[11:53] <mc44> jenda: whats yours? :p
[11:53] <jenda> I meant "Ubuntu" and "jenda"
[11:53] <Fujitsu> jenda: Which other do you own?
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[11:53] <jenda> Actually, I meant "geek"
[11:53] <jenda> :)
[11:53] <mc44> jenda: jenga you mean :)
[11:53] <jenda> yeah, that one too ;)
[11:53] <jenda> can't believe it was free :)
[11:53] <mc44> jenga: hey if you and Seveas team up, you can become a forum god
[11:54] <jenga> Hehe... team up with _that_?
[11:54] <jenga> Seveas would never do such a thing ;)
[11:56] <mneptok> I WIN!
[11:56] <mneptok> now let's go out for ice cream and hookers.
[11:57] <mc44> but I dont like ice cream
[11:57] <mneptok> then you can just have the venereal diseases
[11:59] <jenga> _
[11:59] <mc44> Fujitsu: only when mneptok is around
[11:59] <mneptok> ha! hardly.
[11:59] <mneptok> you just choose to set the "family friendly" bar way, WAY higher for women ;)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you're just jealous
[12:17] <mneptok> Hobbsee: not really. if i had boobs of my own i'd never get out of the shower!
[12:19] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:19] <effie_jayx> mneptok,  don't worry... well get them... Gravity pulls everything down
[12:20] <effie_jayx> :S
[12:20] <effie_jayx> s/well/we'll
[12:27] <Myrtti> and your shoulders, neck and back too
[12:27] <mneptok> my pendulous manteats are lush with he-milk
[12:27] <Myrtti> now that's a vision I didn't want to get burnt on my brain
[12:27] <Hobbsee> urgh
[12:27] <kgoetz> 19:28  * Fujitsu finds it a little ironic that #ubuntu-ops often turns out to be vastly less family-friendly than other channels.
[12:27] <kgoetz> ^^^ but not a suprise
[12:35] <effie_jayx> hehe
[12:48] <Hobbsee> oh no, it's PriceChild!
[12:48] <PriceChild> Quick everyone.... run!
[12:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:53] <ubotu> Ash-Fox called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:55] <Hobbsee> !staff
[01:55] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[01:55] <jenga> oi
[01:56] <Hobbsee> jenga: not you, you cant kline.
[01:56] <jenga> hehe
[01:56] <Hobbsee> we've got a spam-on-joiner
[01:56] <jenga> but I can get you someone relevant.
[01:56] <jenga> Hobbsee: in #ubuntu?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:56] <Hobbsee> [21:56]  [Whois]  beenwatch is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(steel)
[01:56] <Seveas> <-- beenwatch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by Seveas)
[01:57] <Seveas> that fool
[01:57] <Seveas> be Mr. T and pity@
[01:57] <Hobbsee> jenga: doesnt appear to think that spamming people is bad, apparently
[01:57] <jenga> Human or bot?
[01:57] <Seveas> human
 wtf man
[01:57] <Seveas> <-- shaa-gi (i=shaggy@nat/ibm/x-76679851bad325c7) has left #ubuntu ("Client exiting")
[01:57] <Seveas> <-- schnawweliwopp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[01:57] <Seveas>  Ash-Fox asanchez_ Ashex|Work aSt3raL astan_ asw asymptonic
 im sharing my site man
 be cool man
[01:57] <Hobbsee> human
[01:58] <jenga> k
[02:00] <Hobbsee> [21:59]  [Notice]  -NickServ-  Last Seen Quit Msg: Excess Flood
[02:00] <Hobbsee> too late, it seems
[02:00] <jenga> done
[02:00] <jenga> gone
[02:00] <Hobbsee> excellent :)
[02:29] <Seveas> apokryphos, prod
[03:14] <gnomefreak> no sign of apokryphos?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> @lart PriceChild
[03:53] <PriceChild> What did I do :'(
[03:55] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: around now
[03:56] <Hobbsee> nothing
[03:57] <PriceChild> I love you too 8-)
[03:57] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: somehow I thought the meeting was another day. :/
[04:18] <ubotu> PhinnFort called the ops in #kubuntu
[04:28] <nalioth> Hobbsee: did you get the spammer?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> nalioth: nope.  far too late
[04:31] <nalioth> Hobbsee: too late for whom? the spammer or me?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> the spammer
[04:34] <Hobbsee> e
[04:35] <nalioth> so was it klined or banned or what?
[04:36] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, PhinnFort said: !remember lives is http://lives.sourceforge.net/
[04:37] <nalioth> Hobbsee: did the onjoin spammer have a nick?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> nalioth: oh, from ages ago?  i think jenga found someone for him
[06:13] <xblackfire> ubuntu-ni has become oficial locoteam of Nicaragua, approbed today for the comunity council
[06:15] <poningru> cool
[06:15] <PriceChild> I missed a CC meeting... :(
[06:16] <gouki> Me too :S
[06:22] <gnomefreak> is there docs on falcon anywhere?
[06:37] <xblackfire> anybody knows who is in charge of locobots?
[06:40] <PriceChild> seveas does ubotu.. I'll try and find out who does locobot
[06:41] <PriceChild> all that locobot does is log channels... contact smurf in #ubuntu-locoteams for him
[06:42] <xblackfire> thanks for the info PriceChild
[06:42] <PriceChild> no problem
[08:49] <Seveas> ompaul, jenga or nalioth available?
[08:49] <ompaul> me
[08:50] <Pici> you.
[08:50] <Seveas> ompaul, good. EtienneG wants a cloak and you are staff.  Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, or mneptok
[11:00] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[11:01] <Seveas> someone with op/staff power in #ubuntuforums would be nice
[11:01] <gnomefreak> ?
[11:01] <Seveas> livingdaylight is on a roll again
[11:03] <gnomefreak> he hasnt been k-lined yet? hes always causing trouble atleast has been for a while
[11:03] <Seveas> yeah
[11:03] <Seveas> nalioth, wake up!
[11:03] <Seveas> jenga, !
[11:03] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:03] <jenga> huh
[11:04] <Seveas> hi
[11:04] <jenga> aloha
[11:04] <Seveas> livingdaylight trolling in #ubuntuforums
[11:04] <Seveas> kill KILL!
[11:04] <poningru> bill?
[11:04] <poningru> gnomefreak: the d got tired of standing up all this time
[11:04] <poningru> so its lying down
[11:04] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:04] <poningru> and I guess its legs have gone underground
[11:05] <gnomefreak> poningru: you wanteed seamonkey in repos right?
[11:05] <poningru> not my joke, pirated from jenga himself
[11:05] <poningru> gnomefreak: yes please
[11:05] <Seveas> jenga, you should put a highlight on jenda so !ops still highlights you :p
[11:05] <gnomefreak> poningru: it will be in my repo.
[11:05] <gnomefreak> poningru: i have a testing repo for feisty+1 atm
[11:05] <poningru> awesome
[11:05] <gnomefreak> just checking it works
[11:05] <Seveas> gnomefreak, watcha using?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> dpkg
[11:06] <gnomefreak> dpkg-scan*
[11:06] <jenga> Seveas: it would, if jenda was in there.
[11:06] <Seveas> !ops
[11:06] <jenga> I got highlighted by the #ubuntuforums one.
[11:06] <Seveas> ubotu, helllooooO!!!
[11:06] <poningru> dude...
[11:06] <poningru> just scroll up
[11:07] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, or mneptok
[11:07] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about helllooooo!!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <gnomefreak> little lag?
[11:07] <Seveas> !moo
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !mmo
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mmo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !moo2
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !moo3
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !moo5
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo5 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !mh
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !meh
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !mehdfasdf
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mehdfasdf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !mehdfasdfsadf
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mehdfasdfsadf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Seveas> !mehdfasdfsadfadf
[11:07] <Seveas> !mehdfasdfsadfadfadf
[11:08] <Seveas> @now
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:08:09 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 51 minutes
[11:08] <poningru> buh
[11:08] <Seveas> right
[11:08] <Seveas> stupid supybot!
[11:08] <Seveas> !bla
[11:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:08] <Seveas> @now
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:08:44 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 51 minutes
[11:08] <Seveas> @now
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:08:47 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 51 minutes
[11:08] <Seveas> @now
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:08:49 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 51 minutes
[11:08] <Seveas> @now
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:08:52 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 51 minutes
[11:08] <Seveas> @now
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:08:54 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 51 minutes
[11:08] <Seveas> @now
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[11:08] <Seveas> @now
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[11:08] <Seveas> @now
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:09:02 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 50 minutes
[11:09] <Seveas> @now
[11:09] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:09:06 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 50 minutes
[11:09] <Seveas> @now
[11:09] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:09:08 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 50 minutes
[11:09] <Seveas> @now
[11:09] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:09:09 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 50 minutes
[11:09] <Seveas> @now
[11:09] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 21:09:10 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 14 hours 50 minutes
[11:09] <Seveas> hmmmzzzz
[11:09] <Seveas> silly bot doesn't thread the bugreporter
[11:10] <nalioth> where's the troll?
[11:10] <Seveas> gone
[11:10] <Seveas> jenga made him disappear
[11:13] <jenga> Seveas: will you add me to the !ops?
[11:14] <Seveas> !ops =~ s/or mneptok/jenda or mneptok/
[11:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[11:14] <jenga> not with mneptok :(
[11:14] <jenga> s/corner/corner and cries/
[11:15] <mc44> jenga: just don't let him touch you
[11:15] <Seveas> jenga, why the nickchange btw?
[11:15] <jenga> Seveas: for you :
[11:15] <jenga> :)
[11:15] <Seveas> ROFL
[11:15] <Seveas> then change it back :p
[11:16] <jenda> k ;)
[11:16] <Seveas> \o/
[11:16] <mc44> bah it was more fun playing with jenga
[11:16] <fdoving> mc44: thanks for the popcorn btw. :)
[11:17] <mc44> fdoving: yeah shame we missed the good part
[11:17] <fdoving> yeah. :)
[11:29] <ubotu> xtknight called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:29] <ubotu> pcudroxuopd called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:30] <gnomefreak> Seveas: is that you or your script?
[11:30] <Seveas> not me
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ok one more and im thinking +r #ubuntu
[11:31] <Seveas> already +r
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:34] <apokryphos> Seveas: sorry I missed btw; I thought it wasn't for a few days still :o
[11:34] <apokryphos> *missed the meeting
[11:55] <apokryphos> Seveas: any idea when the next one is?
[11:55] <Seveas> in 2 weeks, 20:00 UTC
[11:55] <apokryphos> ok, I'll try and make it
[11:56] <ompaul> I just kicked about 20 into read-topic
[11:56] <ompaul> or at least it feels like that
[11:57] <ompaul> Seveas, would you have the the db info to be able to see who the repeat offenders about not getting their routers or clients fixed are by using the bot and what not?
[11:58] <Seveas> sure,but not now
[11:58] <Seveas> now is bedtime
[11:58] <ompaul> Seveas, I think it would be a worthwhile job
[12:00] <Linuturk> ompaul, my router isn't exploitable
[12:00] <Linuturk> ompaul, just a shotty connection
[12:00] <Linuturk> ompaul, and freenode acting up
[12:00] <ompaul> Linuturk, na freenode is rather stable, and you quit with the others join me in ##ompaul please
[12:09] <mheath> I was wondering if someone could give me more info on the DCC vulnerabilities that got me banned from #ubuntu. I can't find any info about a vulnerability like that effecting my model /revision of router....I was curious about what the real issue was before I go about 'fixing' it.
[12:13] <ompaul> mheath, how about you join me in #ompaul and then you get tested if you disconnect while there then you join freenode on 8001 ?
[12:14] <mheath> ompaul, I'm not arguing that I'm being effected by some kind of vulernability. I'm just curious about _what_ actually happened.
[12:15] <ompaul> some idiot exploited your box
[12:15] <ompaul> actually make that ##ompaul
[12:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a bug in various routers' firmware that causes them to drop the connection.
[12:15] <ompaul> and your router may have the firmware from somewhere else
[12:16] <atoponce> http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2006-1067 is a good writeup
[12:16] <ompaul> mheath, and on the plus side until you fix it you don't get back into #ubuntu
[12:18] <mheath> atoponce, I Have a WRT54G, but it's rev6 with updated firmware.
[12:19] <ompaul> well did you disconnect?
[12:19] <ompaul> yes
[12:19] <atoponce> that writeup isn't explaining the *only* router affected, just one
[12:19] <ompaul> so therefore you got removed - test it
[12:19] <ompaul> join me in ##ompaul
[12:19] <mheath> OK, worth a test, just to confirm.
[12:20] <atoponce> mheath: either 1) /j ##ompaul and test or 2) connect on port 8001
[12:22] <gnomefreak> he keeps it up ther eis going to be a complaint in here ;)


[00:21] <penguin42> bah, google earth 5 doesn't work in maverick
[00:27] <yofel> penguin42: the googleearth package from medibuntu lucid works fine here
[00:27] <penguin42> useful
[00:27] <gnomefreak> it does here as wwell
[00:27] <gnomefreak> s/wwell/well
[00:29] <penguin42> bah; now it's reliably triggering a radeon/drm bug in Maverick
[00:30] <Daekdroom> radeon/drm bug? Where? O.o
[00:30] <penguin42> it used to be pretty decent for me on Lucid but there is a particular Oops I can trigger with some dri apps now
[00:31] <gnomefreak> how the hell do i download a full video if it only offers some :( damn liers
[00:31] <penguin42> bug 340700
[00:32] <penguin42> oh no
[00:32] <penguin42> I mean, bug 606081
[00:34]  * penguin42 wonders fi that should be marked in some way to point it out to the Radeon guys
[00:34] <gnomefreak> add a comment?
[00:35] <Daekdroom> [    40.415] (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. keeps happening over and over when I try to start X.org, a few times. Causes a full lock up :|
[00:35] <gnomefreak> my 2.5 cents
[00:35] <Daekdroom> I think I should try a full reinstall first, because this current install is a mess of old packages and conf files..
[00:35] <gnomefreak> it doesnt get much better, take my word for it
[00:36] <gnomefreak> i did a full reinstall witha  daily iso than did an upgrade from 10.04 -> 10.10 only installing irssi before upgrade
[00:36] <gnomefreak> same issues are still here
[00:38] <penguin42> Daekdroom: What hardware?
[00:38] <Daekdroom> penguin42, ATI X1100 running over a monitor that apparently keeps spamming X.org with an invalid EDID.
[00:39] <penguin42> I think you can turn edid off in the config
[00:39] <Daekdroom> Every 10 seconds drm complains about invalid EDID from the monitor. I can't use tty because of that >.<
[00:39] <Daekdroom> Really?
[00:39]  * gnomefreak crossing fingers like a child :(
[00:39] <gnomefreak> it worked
[00:39] <gnomefreak> holy fun new fact
[00:39] <penguin42> Daekdroom: ah in X you can, not sure about the kernels edid for kms - try running with nomodeset ?
[00:40] <Daekdroom> penguin42, well, it didn't use to happen when there was no KMS..
[00:40] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I'm thinking it may be the kms code; so try turning kms off
[00:43] <gnomefreak> ctrl + a == best combos yet.
[00:44] <gnomefreak> new kernel
[00:54]  * gnomefreak smoke
[00:56] <penguin42> ?
[00:59] <gnomefreak> it is possibile to add more than one background at a time :)
[00:59] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i went for a smoke
[00:59] <penguin42> oh
[01:01] <Daekdroom> Damn it. I can't notice wether f.lux gui applet is working or not.
[01:04] <gnomefreak76> damnit
[01:07] <gnomefreak> ok back to normal i think
[01:19] <gnomefreak> anyone else not able to get a screen in latest kernel
[01:19] <gnomefreak> 35.13 kenrel
[01:19] <gnomefreak> i get nothing at all just a black screen
[02:22] <coz_> bah
[02:22] <coz_> sporry
[02:22] <coz_> sorry
[02:22] <coz_> damn fingers
[02:45] <lbakalinsky> Hi guys, how is the latest alpha build of ubuntu?
[06:33] <vish>  \342\200\235 test
[06:34] <vish> ” test
[06:35] <jussi> !final
[06:40] <jussi> !final
[06:41] <jussi> yofel_: see above. Ive fixed it so it will auto update at any release
[10:30] <thopiekar> hi
[10:31] <thopiekar> I upgraded my ubuntu lucid machine and got problems with grub..
[10:31] <thopiekar> it opens after boot the grub rescue> shell
[10:31] <thopiekar> which is useless for me
[10:32] <thopiekar> chrooted into my system and executed update-grub; grub-install /dev/sda
[10:33] <thopiekar> grub-script-check -v /dev/sda gives me: http://pastebin.com/3mFu4Pcq
[10:37] <thopiekar> http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9364/screenshotubuntuubuntu.png
[10:37] <thopiekar> how can I fix that?
[10:43] <thopiekar> I'll reboot now and try again.. see ya..
[11:43] <sgh> Hi everybody. I hvae some issue regarding startup of Xorg. Is seems that in the last 3 week there have been  some race that makes Xorg start in low graphics mode. Using the proprietary nvidia driver X completely refuses to load the driver. I have reporteddd a bug but nobody have replied. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/607490
[12:41] <penguin42> the kernel graphics code isn't being good to me on Maverick; I've got a repeatable oops in the radeon code and I just oops'd the intel code on my other machine
[13:48] <penguin42> anyone running with -13 ?
[13:49] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.35-12-generic #17-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 26 18:48:06 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:49] <BUGabundo> haven't reboot yet
[13:50] <penguin42> I've just booted a 2.6.35-13 that I built (witha  few printk's in the radeon code) - first time I'd booted a -13 and I'm getting a load of apparmor panics and it's died
[13:52] <penguin42> oh interesting; it's just booted for me on a 2nd go if I remove the gfxmode stuff
[13:53] <penguin42> I wouldn't have predicted that given they were all apparmor errors
[13:54] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:56]  * penguin42 yawns
[17:31] <sinurge> what is the use of the lib32 libraries in the amd64 mm alpha2 edition
[17:32] <sinurge> anybody here
[17:41] <sinurge> bump
[17:42] <vish> !test
[17:43] <BUGabundo> pong
[17:44] <penguin42> sinurge: To run 32bit apps
[17:44] <penguin42> or plugins
[17:44] <penguin42> sinurge: e.g. you can run the 32 bit flash plugin on 64bit
[17:44] <sinurge> right now i have a 32 bit binary but it does not allow me to run the same
[17:44] <penguin42> what happens?
[17:45] <sinurge> it tells me > bash: ./crclient: No such file or directory
[17:45] <sinurge> but i can see the file
[17:46] <sinurge> its my internet connection binary so there is no way to get the same
[17:46] <penguin42> sinurge: Try installing libc6-i386
[17:46] <sinurge> if i see thru nautilus i see a x mark on the folder lib32 wonder why
[17:46] <penguin42> sinurge: It's probably missing the ld-linux.so.2 for 32bit
[17:47] <sinurge> could but both in lucid and maverick
[17:47] <sinurge> seems very very odd
[17:48] <sinurge> can i just copy the ld-linux.so.2 directly to lib32
[17:49] <penguin42> sinurge: It might need to go in both /lib and /lib32
[17:49] <penguin42> sinurge: But the libc6-i386 package provides a load of other libraries that you will probably need as well
[17:52] <sinurge> so why is it not bundled by default
[17:53] <sinurge> just checked the file is present in both 32 and 64bit
[17:53] <Daekdroom> sinurge, because Ubuntu has a 700MB limit as it ships on CDs.
[17:53] <Daekdroom> And not anyone will need 32bit libs.
[17:53] <sinurge> oh ok
[17:53] <penguin42> sinurge: Not everyone runs 32bit stuff
[17:53] <sinurge> yup i know i just cant get the provider to give me the source so i can compile and nor is he willing to give 64 bit
[17:54] <sinurge> also another question what is the diff between ia32 libs and just lib32?
[17:58] <penguin42> oh
[18:00] <dupondje> arghhhhhh :(
[18:00] <dupondje> twinkle + ekiga broke down
[18:00] <dupondje> ffs
[18:07] <dupondje> daaaamn
[18:07] <dupondje> thats a crap bug
[18:07] <dupondje> my input audio was muted
[18:07] <dupondje> which made Twinkle + Ekiga crash and give 100% cpu
[18:07] <penguin42> curious cause
[18:15] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/612304
[18:15] <dupondje> everybody having the same
[18:15]  * penguin42 looks
[18:16] <penguin42> dupondje: Hmm, I've seen something similar but not quite the same - let me add a comment
[19:19] <JoshuaL> my network icons says im not connected to the wifi network
[19:19] <JoshuaL> but im here, how is that possible? ;)
[19:20] <penguin42> JoshuaL: IP over telepathy
[19:20] <JoshuaL> penguin42, best feature in ubuntu ever! :P
[19:21] <penguin42> JoshuaL: Just remember to turn the security on, or don't get surprised by your dreams
[19:21] <JoshuaL> lol
[19:21] <JoshuaL> i had the same issue in 10.04 btw, tried an upgrade to see if it was solved, without luck :( see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/569335
[19:26] <JoshuaL> penguin42, any suggestions? :)
[19:26] <penguin42> no, sorry - I'm guessing it's network manager broken somewhere; I've seen it before - the real problem is if it tells other apps that you are disconnected; I've seen Pidgin complain I'm disconnected when I'm not
[19:41] <JoshuaL> furthermore gnome-do shows some odd white- graphical thingy
[20:47] <siegie> Playing a video in kaffeine gives me only sound no picture, codecs are installed and dragon with uses the same backend works.
[20:47] <siegie> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[21:27] <Nitsuga> Hi! someone using banshee? My playlist is completely mad... and i was wondering if it was just me, because i don't see anything on google about it.
[22:45] <JoshuaL> I am expiericing some graphical "corruptions" with applications like avant window navigator and gnome-do with nvidia.
[22:46] <JoshuaL> other applications dont have these issues.
[23:17] <Volkodav> I have /dev/sda1 I need to spare and sda2 as /boot and sda3 as /  if i delete /dev/sda1 can I grow /dev/sda3 to take over the  free space from sda1 ?
[23:19] <Volkodav> it is brtfs that I will need to grow
[23:25] <CaneToad> does anybody know what the overall bug is for SIGSEGV problems in vfprintf in libc evident in 10.04?  There's a serious issue in 10.04 that has broken oodles of apps... for example http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=vfprintf+ubuntu+10.04+site:launchpad.net&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[23:28] <Random832> CaneToad: do we know what version of glibc it is?
[23:30] <yofel> CaneToad: a) this channel is for maverick and not for lucid related talk b) for questions about bug reports we have #ubuntu-bugs ;)
[23:31] <CaneToad> ok, hope it is fixed in maverick


[00:10] <bumblefuzz> so I just installed ubuntu
[00:10] <bumblefuzz> and did `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade``
[00:11] <bumblefuzz> and it's telling me that grub failed to install to the following devices
[00:11] <bumblefuzz> I tried to reinstall it and it does the same thing
[00:11] <bumblefuzz> I've never come across where something just didn't install
[00:12] <bumblefuzz> especially grub
[00:12] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help?
[00:12] <kinghat> how do you say yes to "Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no/[fingerprint])?" in gftp?
[00:12] <kinghat> its in the log window
[00:19] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz we rather need more info to help you
[00:19] <bumblefuzz> what would you like?
[00:19] <bumblefuzz> this is all the info I have
[00:20] <quadrathoch2> give us the output to "and it's telling me that grub failed to install to the following devices" I'm pretty sure there is more than that
[00:20] <bumblefuzz> GRUB failed to install to the following devices:                         │   │                                                                          │   │ /dev/sda2                                                                │   │                                                                          │   │ Do you want to
[00:20] <bumblefuzz> continue anyway? If you do, your computer may not start   │   │ up properly.                                                             │   │                                                                          │   │ Writing GRUB to boot device failed - continue?
[00:20] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz do you still have a usb stick or so connected?
[00:21] <bumblefuzz> no
[00:21] <bumblefuzz> I'm booted in the new install
[00:21] <bumblefuzz> just trying to run update and upgrade
[00:21] <bumblefuzz> and this came up
[00:21] <bumblefuzz> it's brand new
[00:21] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz this is a bios/legacy install or?
[00:21] <bumblefuzz> UEFI
[00:23] <quadrathoch2> can you give me the output of /etc/fstab in a paste (paste.ubuntu.com)
[00:24] <bumblefuzz> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yRPp42PMtr/
[00:25] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz so I guess when you 'sudo update-grub' the same error gets displayed?
[00:26] <bumblefuzz> grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdc1.
[00:26] <bumblefuzz> grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdc1.
[00:26] <bumblefuzz> it made it to done
[00:26] <bumblefuzz> after those errors
[00:27] <quadrathoch2> so what device is sdc?
[00:27] <bumblefuzz> I'm reflashing an ubuntu install disk
[00:27] <bumblefuzz> 16gb USB drive
[00:27] <bumblefuzz> cause I might have to reinstall everything
[00:27] <quadrathoch2> okay, so that error is fine
[00:27] <quadrathoch2> it should work, still not sure why you got that error :/
[00:28] <bumblefuzz> it seems like that worked
[00:28] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz the only thing I can think of, grub thought it was a bios/legacy install and thats why it tried to install the 'mbr' part
[00:28] <bumblefuzz> but I literally booted into a fresh install and ran ` sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` and landed on this GRUB error
[00:28] <bumblefuzz> how can I make a new install if I can' upgrade
[00:28] <bumblefuzz> can't*
[00:29] <quadrathoch2> what do you mean by you can't upgrade? packages or distro version?
[00:29] <bumblefuzz> this is very simple: I installed ubuntu
[00:29] <bumblefuzz> then I booted the new install
[00:30] <bumblefuzz> and the FIRST thing I did was run `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`
[00:30] <bumblefuzz> then I had this GRUB error
[00:30] <bumblefuzz> if I cannot upgrade packages, how am I supposed to install ubuntu
[00:30] <bumblefuzz> ??
[00:30] <quadrathoch2> I mean try to boot (after having the install usb) and test it out. imho it should be fine now.
[00:31] <bumblefuzz> but the upgrade is stalled on this grub error
[00:31] <quadrathoch2> i guess, if you want to use the whole disk that the installer formats the whole disk, to make sure to start from a clean plate
[00:31] <bumblefuzz> grub has not been updated
[00:31] <quadrathoch2> even if you rerun apt upgrade?
[00:33] <bumblefuzz> I don't know what's going on
[00:33] <bumblefuzz> every time I run upgrade, it lists a bunch of packages that have been kept back
[00:34] <quadrathoch2> post the output to a paste, so I can read it
[00:34] <bumblefuzz> eading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency tree       Reading state information... DoneCalculating upgrade... DoneThe following packages have been kept back:  libnvidia-cfg1-440 libnvidia-compute-440 libnvidia-compute-440:i386  libnvidia-decode-440 libnvidia-decode-440:i386 libnvidia-encode-440  libnvidia-encode-440:i386 libnvidia-extra-440
[00:34] <bumblefuzz> libnvidia-fbc1-440  libnvidia-gl-440 libnvidia-gl-440:i386 libnvidia-ifr1-440  nvidia-compute-utils-440 nvidia-driver-440 nvidia-kernel-common-440  nvidia-kernel-source-440 nvidia-utils-440 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-4400 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 18 not upgraded.
[00:35] <bumblefuzz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nNQ6nVjpTD/
[00:36] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz what happens on a 'sudo apt full-upgrade' don't accept, paste it on paste.ubuntu.com
[00:36] <bumblefuzz> that appears to be running
[00:36] <bumblefuzz> why wouldn't the usual command work?
[00:36] <bumblefuzz> I've never had this much trouble on a fresh install
[00:37] <quadrathoch2> I guess the nvidia driver is acting up, full-upgrade is allowed to remove packages
[00:37] <quadrathoch2> upgrade doesn't
[00:38] <bumblefuzz> I'm going to try and reboot
[00:45] <jasonosublu_> Hello
[00:45] <jasonosublu_> I was wondering if you could please help me getting a bluetooth multi-touch mouse to work with Lubuntu? Thank you.
[00:48] <jasonosublu_> some people suggested selecting two-finger in the touchpad settings, however, that option is greyed out so I can't select it
[00:48] <jasonosublu_> On other devices and in Windows 10 the touch-surface mouse works normal
[00:48] <jasonosublu_> However, in Lubuntu 20.04 LTS I can't seem to get it to work the same way for scrolling
[00:48] <jasonosublu_> Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I've been trying to get this to work for weeks.
[01:59] <GunArm_> still can't get anything but a black screen after grub.  made a post here https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2453703&p=14000383
[02:00] <GunArm_> is there any kind of... driver diagnostic or something I can do through SSH that might shed some light?
[02:04] <matsaman> GunArm_: do you have a live OS image handy? Does video output work after GRUB for it?
[02:04] <GunArm_> let me see I probably have one in a drawer already
[02:05] <quadrathoch2> GunArm_ I would also say, that maybe post the whole /etc/default/grub file (at least here in a pastebin)
[02:07] <GunArm_> https://pastebin.com/mU1315HG
[02:12] <quadrathoch2> GunArm_ do you have a samsung ssd?
[02:16] <darkdigitaldream> I'm running ubuntu 20.04 desktop pulled from the main website today. I installed it on a new inspiron 7300 2n1 convertible laptop/tablet. The stylus worked fine in all orientations right up to after the fresh install did a system update and reboot.
[02:17] <darkdigitaldream> Now, after orienting the device, the screen will flip to the new orientation but the stylus position is mirrored in all but the default orientation (where it works fine)
[02:18] <quadrathoch2> darkdigitaldream, i have mostly no idea, but did you install the oem ubuntu version? (i guess it's a certified laptop?)
[02:18] <GunArm_> quadrathoch2: interesting question, yes.  although I also have a WD NVME as the boot drive, and that is the one that has caused me problems (it's why I have that one option set in grub already, or it would lock up in some kind of low power mode)
[02:19] <quadrathoch2> GunArm_ ahh okay, as the arch wiki specifically says samsung ssds and only kernel 4.10 (which is pretty old)
[02:19] <GunArm_> yeah that was a nightmare to figure out when I was first building this machine
[02:19] <quadrathoch2> I can imagine :/
[02:19] <GunArm_> took me literally weeks to get it working
[02:20] <quadrathoch2> but back to topic, I guess you edited the boot entries in grub and not the file? GunArm_
[02:20] <GunArm_> yeah, booting is a slow process because of the raid bios, so I don't want to have to reboot twice for each test
[02:21] <GunArm_> also it's pretty easy to just see like, with an option, hit f10 and then it looks like the backlight turns off on the screen
[02:21] <GunArm_> booting with a live disk is a good idea, I just I guess will need to make one since I can't find one around
[02:21] <quadrathoch2> yup :). still not sure why you even installed the closed source nvidia driver, but I guess the nouveau wasn't working? GunArm_
[02:22] <quadrathoch2> GunArm_ yeah that's a very good idea
[02:22] <GunArm_> quadrathoch2 oh that's easy to explain, because I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm throwing things at the wall to see what sticks ;)
[02:22] <darkdigitaldream> quadrathoch2 I see no official OEM listing/distro for this device
[02:22] <GunArm_> is nouveau the open source driver?
[02:22] <quadrathoch2> haha xD. that gpu is so old that the open source driver works perfectly fine
[02:23] <darkdigitaldream> The part that I find most interesting is that this works before a software update. Something in the update breaks this feature
[02:27] <quadrathoch2> darkdigitaldream are we talking about 20.04 package updates i assume?
[02:30] <darkdigitaldream> quadrathoch2 yes. The iso install works fine. It works fine after a reboot. Then it quickly suggests updates and a reboot, after which the feature breaks
[02:30] <darkdigitaldream> installer*
[02:31] <quadrathoch2> darkdigitaldream, damn so means that a package upgrade breaks the pen support :/
[02:32] <quadrathoch2> could you look at the logs in /var/log/apt/history.log and post it to paste.ubuntu.com darkdigitaldream
[02:34] <kinghat> it looks like in that sftp docker image you have to map your users to host users otherwise you cant give them permissions
[02:35] <darkdigitaldream> quadrathoch2 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f39qvmHdcS/
[02:39] <darkdigitaldream> lots of libwacom updates by eyeballing the list. Not sure if thats a lead or not
[02:44] <quadrathoch2> darkdigitaldream the only things I can see, a small part of the xserver was updated, and the kernel. the wacom stuff was the stuff on the ISO which was installed during installation
[02:45] <alazy> Just tried installing recommended nvidia drivers via "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall". Ended at this: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.4.0-53-generic \n E: Could not configure 'libc6:i386'.
[02:47] <quadrathoch2> alazy did you activate the 32bit architecture?
[02:48] <alazy> quadrathoch2: No. I installed 64 bit OS. What am I supposed to do?
[02:48] <darkdigitaldream> hmm, so the good news is there are only a few spots this issue can come from. The bad news is its xserver and the kernel :/
[02:48] <quadrathoch2> 'sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386' 'sudo apt update' and then redo the 'ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'
[02:48] <quadrathoch2> alazy ^
[02:49] <quadrathoch2> darkdigitaldream and or ;)
[02:49] <quadrathoch2> darkdigitaldream the kernel would be the easiest to test out, as the older version should still be installed, you would just need to reboot and select it in grub
[02:49] <darkdigitaldream> oh, thats a good idea
[02:52] <alazy> Did that. Ubuntu-drivers autoinstall didn't seem to do anything. Just read list, built dep tree, read state info, and then told me 0 upgraded.
[02:53] <alazy> Should I try to remove what was autoinstalled then reinstall?
[02:54] <quadrathoch2> could you try 'sudo apt install -f'
[02:54] <alazy> same nothing
[02:55] <quadrathoch2> alazy yup that would be probably the best bet then
[02:55] <quadrathoch2> (removing and reinstalling)
[02:57] <mindofmateo> is it possible to recover any part of an overwritten file?
[02:58] <quadrathoch2> probably not mindofmateo
[02:58] <alazy> sudo apt install --reinstall nvidia-driver-450-server?
[02:59] <quadrathoch2> alazy should do it
[03:00] <quadrathoch2> I am not 100% sure with the nvidia stuff :/
[03:02] <alazy> quadrathoch2: thanks, I think that worked.
[03:03] <quadrathoch2> just look it up, if it really did it ;)
[03:09] <darkdigitaldream> okay, so the old kernel has the same problem as the new.
[03:11] <quadrathoch2> darkdigitaldream damn, so now only xorg could be the culprit, or some other package I have no idea about :/ but I guess xorg
[03:12] <darkdigitaldream> quadrathoch2 hmm. I also found another interesting tidbit: my finger on the screen works just fine. Its the stylus that inverts
[03:15] <quadrathoch2> very interesting :). sadly I wouldn't even know at which package to report a bug like this :? darkdigitaldream
[03:16] <darkdigitaldream> Thanks for the advice all the same. I have a few more things to try, but we've narrowed it down much better than I'd of managed myself.
[03:39] <wizkid238> exit
[05:23] <ryuukk_> hello, i am can anyone help me with an emoji issue?
[05:23] <ryuukk_> https://github.com/ryuukk/read_me_emoji_2 the check mark should be a green square with a square arrow
[05:24] <ryuukk_> but for some reasons it is displayed as a white mark on linux
[05:24] <ryuukk_> on macOS and windows i get the right one
[05:24] <ryuukk_> https://files.gitter.im/5d6fa72cd73408ce4fc9fa9c/DDiT/test.png it should look like the one on the left
[07:05] <summonner> looks like a github issue
[07:28] <Tehdastehdas> Unlike 18.04, my current 20.04 complains "Mouse battery below 10%" every time my mouse wakes up from hibernation. It hibernates after ~2 minutes of inactivity, so Ubuntu complains about it ~40 times/day in my use, which is most annoying when watching a movie and setting a cup on the table, waking the mouse. I want to limit the complaints to a
[07:28] <Tehdastehdas> minimum interval of ~1 day. How do I do that?
[07:28] <ducasse> change to a fresh battery?
[07:31] <Tehdastehdas> There's nothing wrong with this battery - there's still ~2 months of juice left. Anyway, that's irrelevant in my attempt to improve Ubuntu. Complaining to the user that often makes no sense in any situation.
[07:33] <ducasse> i have no clue what part of the desktop is responsible for this warning, wait for somebody who might know, but be aware it is very quiet here for another couple of hours
[07:33] <ducasse> *it
[07:35] <ducasse> in the meantime, try googling the actual message you get
[07:36] <Tehdastehdas> Thanks.
[07:37] <ducasse> around 11-12cet there should be more people here
[08:49] <zetheroo> How to know which display driver is currently in use?
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: sudo lshw -C video
[08:51] <zetheroo>  lotuspsychje: Thanks, what does this mean "  *-display UNCLAIMED" ?
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: unclaimed means your driver has not loaded for your graphics card
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: usually dmesg will spit out errors if the driver loading failed
[08:54] <zetheroo> I ave two gpu chipsets  - Intel and Nvidia - and currently the Intel one seems to be active and the Nvidia not. I already installed the Nvidia 450 driver (tested)
[08:55] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2GbpqrN3gJ/
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: try installing another driver version first, see if you can get the driver loaded
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: ubuntu-drivers list, to see wich available
[08:57] <zetheroo> I installed the driver via the Software & Updates gui - was that wrong?
[08:57] <zetheroo> ubuntu-driver list https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kWH843MYqr/
[08:58] <zetheroo> do I have to manually switch somehow from one gpu to another .... ?
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: try switch to 435
[09:00] <zetheroo> ok
[09:02] <zetheroo> strange - a 'Configuring Secure Boot' windo just popped up as the Nvidia 435 driver was being installed
[09:02] <zetheroo> wants be to set a Secure Boot password!?
[09:04] <zetheroo> https://ibb.co/3YfZ5yk
[09:08] <zetheroo> ok driver installed ... I guess a reboot is required?
[09:09] <zetheroo> no info saying a reboot is needed, but the Nvidia device is still unclaimed
[09:15] <zetheroo> on reboot, before the GRUB menu, I got an ugly blue screen asking me if I wanted to continue to boot or enroll MOT ... no idea what that was about ... I hope that isn't going to show up with every boot now :
[09:15] <zetheroo> Nvidia is still unclaimed
[09:18] <ducasse> zetheroo: you should have enrolled the MOK
[09:19] <ducasse> the instructions are given during driver install
[09:20] <zetheroo> ducasse: ah ok ... my bad
[09:20] <zetheroo> any idea why this did not happen with the 450 driver?
[09:21] <ducasse> ït's a secure boot thing, you could also disable that
[09:22] <ducasse> under secure boot, kernel and modules need to be signed. third-party modules aren't
[09:23] <ducasse> i thought this had been fixed, but apparently not
[09:23] <zetheroo> hmm ok
[09:24] <ducasse> what does 'mokutil --sb-state' say?
[09:24] <zetheroo> SecureBoot enabled
[09:26] <ducasse> right. disable that or run 'mokutil --enable-validation' and reboot, following the steps
[09:26] <zetheroo> ok
[09:27] <zetheroo> Failed to request new MokSB state
[09:27] <ducasse> did you set a password?
[09:27] <zetheroo> I entered my password twice correctly
[09:27] <zetheroo> yes
[09:27] <zetheroo> password = password
[09:28] <ducasse> then i guess you get the prompt on reboot
[09:28] <zetheroo> ok
[09:28] <ducasse> if not try --disable-validation
[09:32] <zetheroo> rebooted but no blue MOT screen
[09:33] <zetheroo> should I disable and then enable validation?
[09:38] <zetheroo> ah 'sudo' was needed for the '--enable-validation' command ... ok rebooting again
[09:51] <ace_me> hi. Inside a project i have a symlink inside a folder, which is a  package. I am wondering how to ls ./vendor/me/bundle ?
[09:51] <zetheroo> ok, I ended up just disabling SB in the BIOS
[09:51] <ace_me> or  ls ./vendor/me/bundle/some_folder
[09:52] <zetheroo> Nvidia display device is no longer unclaimed
[09:52] <ducasse> zetheroo: great, you should be able to switch between them in bios or software
[09:53] <zetheroo> ducasse: how do I know which one is in use atm?
[09:53] <zetheroo> or is it just done automatically ...
[10:16] <ace_me> ...maybe is because some incompatibiliy of ls inside docker of a symlink created on a host
[10:29] <zetheroo1> Battery shows up as "Fully Charged" in drop-down menu, but in Power Settings it's not https://ibb.co/Wnks7gn
[10:29] <zetheroo1> https://ibb.co/7gWHNWL
[10:29] <zetheroo1> almost seems that Ubuntu thinks there are two batteries ... !?
[10:30] <zetheroo1> upower output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yG79Gc6bGf/
[10:43] <ducasse> zetheroo1: what does 'ls /sys/class/power_supply/' say?
[10:45] <zetheroo1> AC  BAT0
[10:46] <ducasse> ok, 'cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/status'
[10:47] <zetheroo1> Charging
[10:47] <ducasse> right, that's what i would trust
[10:48] <zetheroo1> so I guess the GUI is a bit messed up ...
[10:48] <ducasse> i dunno, i don't use gnome
[11:02] <polichouz> Hello. As far I understand, every interim release (non-LTS, say 20.10), the non-LTS kernel is "backport" to the LTS release throw the HWE stuff. I didn't find the 20.10 kernel on 20.04 LTS HWE. Am I missing something ?
[11:03] <ducasse> polichouz: it takes quite a while for it to be backported, tested and released
[11:03] <ducasse> like, months
[11:04] <ducasse> it will then be released as a point release
[11:05] <eliyahutbr> 'plug in a dongle to use bluetooth'
[11:05] <eliyahutbr> it was working and now it just stopped. any suggestions?
[11:08] <eliyahutbr> i did google and it
[11:08] <polichouz> ducasse, Thanks. I'll monitor the next point release then. Still T.B.D. the last time I've checked.
 hey guys. my blue tooth decided not to work today. tried https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-no-bluetooth-found-plug-in-a-dongle-to-use-bluetooth-ubuntu-18-04-1-lts/ any other suggestions?
[11:09] <eliyahutbr> yesterday
[12:51] <BlueEagle> eliyahutbr: Do you have another computer to test the dongle on? Sometimes they just die.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:01] <luna_> hey
[13:01] <slipttees> hey
[13:02] <slipttees> i fresh install 20.04.1 HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF and Front Mic Jack doen't work :-(
[13:05] <slipttees> someone can help?
[13:17] <Starship8014> hi, i am running a web server with ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS and whenever I login with SSH, it keeps suggesting me to upgrade to 20.0.1 LTS using "do-released-upgrade". I am a bit scared that my apache / php / etc configuration will be messed up. how safe is an update like that?
[13:20] <XV8> Starship8014 too many deltas to consider. Make a backup/test restore, then move on to upgrade. If all fails, restore.
[13:22] <BlueEagle> Starship8014: As XV8 beat me to: If you have a backup that you know how to restore then you can do the upgrade. Based on anecdotal evidence the success rate for upgrading from 18.04 to 20.04 is 80%
[13:23] <Starship8014> i have made a snapshot from my system and my hoster allows me to setup a new box based on that snapshot. I could do that, test the upgrade there and if it works, do it on my live as well. maybe that's a good way to go?
[13:31] <solsTiCe> hi. I am trying to use manually openvpn and make it log to /var/run/piavpn-manual. but it fails with a permission error; why ? is it a apparmor related issue ?
[13:34] <BlueEagle> solsTiCe: Does it say what permission it is erroring on?
[13:35] <solsTiCe> it says :' --up script fails with '/var/run/piavpn-manual/openvpn_up.sh' but the script is executable
[13:36] <solsTiCe> oh I guess something oes not like executalbe in /var/run
[13:37] <solsTiCe> ah /run is mounted with noexec
[13:38] <amazoniantoad> Why aren't ram block devices listed under /dev?
[13:39] <amazoniantoad> or are they listen as something other than ram?
[14:27] <ahylight> Hi
[14:28] <mefistofeles> hello
[14:28] <ahylight> I have a dedicated distant server running Ubuntu. I want to occasionnally backup data from my local computer to it
[14:28] <ahylight> what would you use? (~ 1 TB of data)
[14:29] <ahylight> I'd like that even if someone hacks my distant dedicated server / gains root access, he *cannot* access my data
[14:29] <ahylight> Do you have any idea?
[14:30] <ikonia> rsnc ?
[14:30] <ikonia> rsync
[14:31] <ahylight> ikonia, but how to be sure if someone has root on the distant server, he cannot read the data?
[14:32] <mefistofeles> ahylight: maybe something like vaults? https://learn.hashicorp.com/vault
[14:43] <ahylight> mefistofeles, I'll read about this, thanks!
[14:43] <ahylight> mefistofeles, I just posted the question here with more details: https://superuser.com/questions/1602585/backup-on-a-distant-dedicated-server-such-that-even-if-someone-gets-root-hack
[14:44] <ikonia> ahylight: encrypt it
[14:45] <ikonia> ahylight: in reality how senensitive is the data
[14:45] <ikonia> if it's that important, should you really be treating it this casually
[14:45] <ahylight> it's encrypted locally
[14:46] <ahylight> ikonia, I specifically want that the data is totally *impossible to use* on distant server
[14:52] <ikonia> ahylight: so if it's encypted locally, you're copying an encypted resource, root ont he remote server doesn't matter
[14:53] <ahylight> ikonia, the hard drive is encrypted, but when i open the computer and access to the files, they are not encrypted
[14:54] <ahylight> once the password is entered, you have normal access to the files
[14:54] <ahylight> i.e. if you send them via rsync etc. the destination will be *files*, normal files
[14:54] <ikonia> so encrypt the target
[14:55] <ahylight> so i need to enter a password via ssh etc.
[14:55] <ikonia> again - if it's that important should you truly be treating it this casually
[14:56] <ahylight> so if someone has a root access on the distant server, he can get the decryption key, do you see what i mean?
[14:56] <ikonia> he can't get the decyrption key
[14:56] <ahylight> why not?
[14:56] <ahylight> what do you mean by "encrypt the target"?
[14:56] <ahylight> more precisely
[14:57] <ikonia> make an encypted file and sync the file
[14:57] <ikonia> but again - if it's that important should you really be just 'throwing it' into a remote server
[14:58] <ahylight> ideally for backups drives it should be ok if they are stolen
[14:58] <ahylight> example: i have an encrypted 2.5" external usb hard drive with all this data
[14:59] <ahylight> I *could* lose it in front of my house, and anybody could steal it, it would be ok, since no key is available for them
[15:34] <RoseBus> how can i start lynx and load url from clipboard?
[15:42] <leftyfb> RoseBus: lynx $(xclip -selection clipboard -o)   # install xclip
[15:46] <amazoniantoad> I'm trying to run the command sudo apt-get install linux-headers-5.4.0-53-generic:i386 but I get an error that no package could be located. What should I do?
[15:47] <ikonia> does that package exist ?
[15:47] <ikonia> I thought 32bit was gone
[15:47] <amazoniantoad> ikonia, oh
[15:48] <Some_Person> It seems like Ubuntu 20.04 keeps automatically adding printers from my network. How can I stop it from doing this?
[15:48] <ikonia> I'm sure it's not adding them
[15:48] <ikonia> they are advertising themselves
[15:48] <Some_Person> They show up in my printers list, and come back immediately if I remove them
[15:49] <Some_Person> I only want printers I explicitly add to show up
[15:49] <ikonia> probably because they are advertising themselves
[15:50] <Some_Person> I basically have 3 copies of the same printer, because I have another machine running CUPS that has it added and also shares it using AirPrint. The third is the printer itself. This is absolutely stupid.
[15:50] <Some_Person> I only want my printer to show up once
[15:50] <ikonia> then stop the other hosts from advertising it
[15:50] <Some_Person> ikonia: If I do that, it'll be impossible to print to it from our mobile devices
[15:50] <leftyfb> Some_Person: https://askubuntu.com/questions/918462/remove-printer-added-notifications-from-gnome-3/921289#921289
[15:50] <ikonia> turn off the bonjour service
[15:51] <ikonia> Some_Person: so you want it to advertise itself globally as it's meant to....but tell this one machine to ignore it being advertised
[15:51] <Some_Person> ikonia: Pretty much.  But the link I posted will work as well
[15:53] <Some_Person> ikonia: That solution does not seem to work. Printers still come back automatically
[15:53] <leftyfb> ikonia: Some_Person: I had the same issue and following the instructions in the link I posted worked for me
[15:53] <ikonia> Some_Person: what solution
[15:53] <Some_Person> Sorry, that was meant for leftyfb
[15:57] <pavlos> Some_Person: maybe you need to restart cups after the change in the conf file
[15:57] <Some_Person> pavlos: I tried that. No dice
[15:59] <chemist^> Hello everyone
[15:59] <Some_Person> I've also tried stopping cups-browsed. No dice there either
[16:00] <pavlos> Some_Person: you set "BrowseProtocols none", restarted cups, and they still advertise?
[16:01] <Some_Person> pavlos: Correct
[16:01] <Some_Person> They still get added to my system automatically
[16:01] <pavlos> Some_Person: can you paste, cupsctl
[16:02] <Some_Person> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/m78mZ7Kn5p/
[16:11] <pavlos> Some_Person: maybe stop/disable that service, sudo systemctl disable cups-browsed
[16:11] <Some_Person> pavlos: Tried that
[18:08] <rjwiii> I keep getting a dialog box that says "Package operation failed - The installation or removal of a software package failed" after the updater runs ... any clues? Ubuntu 20.04
[18:10] <donaldkbrown> rjwiii do you have any custom PPAs added?
[18:28] <mboard> hi all, I just installed Ubuntu 20.04 desktop but I cannot figure out how to get the wifi started up or connected.  I cannot see any options for the wifi adapter but lsusb gives me - Bus 002 Device 005: ID 2357:011f TP-Link 802.11ac WLAN Adapter
[18:28] <mboard> can anybody help me get this working? :)
[18:31] <quadrathoch2> Some_Person I have that same issue, tried mostly everything I found on the internet. My guess is, gnome is doing something really weird. I get that message every 10 mins ><
[18:37] <ioria> mboard, try this : https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/c7e562e822bbe24df58e31487cb74e9c
[18:38] <jeremy31> mboard: https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au Secure boot needs to be disabled
[18:48] <deadrom> hi
[18:48] <deadrom> ubuntu 16.04LTS : arping says "unknown host" no matter what know hosts from the router's list I feed it. what's wrong?
[18:48] <deadrom> even sudo
[18:50] <mboard> ioria and jeremy31 thank you both for the links but I am unable to get this to work, the first link with the git is missing the bash script and the second link is a little confusing for me
[19:03] <maszlo> hello channel. I have an issue that I am unsure when it showed up, possible that was caused from upgrades over the years. The root of the problem is that Apache2 does not properly start on reboot, but will pass config check and start properly once booted. It appears that it is being started from init.d, i dont have a fresh installed 20.04 but wonder if it should be using systemd?
[19:05] <chemist^> sudo systemctl enable apache2.service
[19:05] <chemist^> or sudo systemctl enable apache.service
[19:05] <chemist^> not sure how it's named
[19:06] <maszlo> chemist^, is that all need to do to convert from the two, or then delete the /etc/init.d/apache2 ?
[19:07] <chemist^> maszlo, convert what? from what?
[19:07] <maszlo> init.d to systemd
[19:07] <chemist^> Does this command give you any output?
[19:07] <chemist^> sudo systemctl status apache
[19:08] <chemist^> apache2.service sorry
[19:08] <chemist^> "sudo systemctl status apache2.service"
[19:08] <maszlo> chemist^, should i have it in the error state after a reboot when it fails?
[19:08] <chemist^> I just want to see if systemd finds the service and shows it's status
[19:09] <chemist^> doesn't matter if it's running or not
[19:09] <maszlo> yes it does show the status from systemctl
[19:10] <chemist^> then just issue the command: sudo systemctl enable apache2.service
[19:10] <chemist^> and it will be enabled on boot
[19:10] <chemist^> you can reboot afterwards and check again with "sudo systemctl status apache2.service"
[19:10] <maszlo> sorry maybe not clear on the issue.
[19:11] <chemist^> you said that when you reboot your machine, apache does not start automatically
[19:11] <maszlo> it is attempting to start on reboot, but appears that is not loading in order. like starting before networking and failing
[19:12] <chemist^> that's really strange...have you checked any system logs?
[19:12] <chemist^> or apache logs?
[19:12] <maszlo> yeah would say could not bind to port.. but then if i told it to start it just worked
[19:13] <maszlo> which is why wondered if cause was from the /etc/init.d/apache2 script
[19:14] <maszlo> maybe will move that script out of theser and see if tell it to enable see if it builds the same thing
[19:25] <maszlo> chemist^, that appears closer.  now on boot it does start, but looks like it is trying to host a http site over https port
[19:26] <maszlo> chemist^, the status logs complain that cannot resolve the hostname.. if do a systemctrl restart no errors.  still seems like it is loading before networking is up
[19:31] <chemist^> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[19:31] <chemist^> maszlo,
[19:32] <maszlo> 20.04
[19:32] <chemist^> and you use /etc/init.d to run apache?
[19:32] <tomreyn> maszlo: /etc/init.d/apache2 does exist there, but you should just ignore it.
[19:32] <tomreyn> use systemctl exclusively
[19:34] <chemist^> maszlo, also..."trying to host a http site over https port" doesn't make much sense ... can you pastebin the content of your /sites-enabled/ configs?
[19:34] <maszlo> interesting.. i just found the fix by modifying the script from After=network.target to After=network-online.target
[19:34] <chemist^> which script? :D
[19:35] <maszlo> the file /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/apache2.service
[19:36] <tomreyn> that'll be a symlink to /lib/systemd/system/apache2.service
[19:36] <tomreyn> which shouldn't be edited, but a clone of it.
[19:39] <maszlo> okay I reverted it.  rebooted and can get the ssl error again. SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG it shows that it is https:// but the browser does not show that it is encrypted
[19:40] <chemist^> maszlo, please paste your sites-enabled config file
[19:41] <chemist^> maszlo, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*.conf
[19:41] <maszlo> sure.. one second
[19:41] <chemist^> also...use nginx :D it's simpler to configure and has many features that apache doesn't
[19:42] <chemist^> the config syntax is fairly similar - you would get used to it in no time
[19:44] <maszlo> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/6HCmFhx552/
[19:45] <chemist^> strange config :D
[19:49] <tomreyn> do an    apache2ctl configtest    http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man8/apache2ctl.8.html
[19:50] <tomreyn> normally, you'll enable mod_ssl by running     a2enmod ssl
[19:50] <tomreyn> (that's for openssl support. there's also gnutls, i think)
[19:50] <maszlo> the test reports Syntax OK
[19:51] <chemist^> maszlo, what about "a2enmod ssl"?
[19:53] <maszlo> it says module ssl already enabled
[19:53] <maszlo> i think i need to reboot it to be in the bad state again for this test
[19:54] <maszlo> i have already ran systemctrl reload apache2
[19:55] <maszlo> i guess very dirty fix would be a crontab entry to do that @reboot
[19:55] <chemist^> maszlo, this is what one of my old apache configs looks like: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HgPjbzdbf2/
[19:55] <tomreyn> reload/hup is sufficient to reload the configuration files after you edited them, but not to load new modules
[19:55] <chemist^> you have your fullchain also configured as your certificate....is this correct?
[19:56] <tomreyn> thats fine
[19:58] <maszlo> hmm so if doing the reload fixes it and not related to the modules itself does that tell anything?
[19:58] <maszlo> if you look at that site now can see that is giving error
[20:00] <chemist^> but the error SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG means something is not configured right on your server
[20:00] <chemist^> try modifying your sites-enabled config file following the example I pasted
[20:01] <chemist^> ---> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HgPjbzdbf2/
[20:01] <maszlo> that is really weird.  the fact that it does not do that when change the systemd file to use After=network-online.target and doing systemctrl reload fixes it
[20:02] <chemist^> you're missing also "SSLEngine On"
[20:02] <chemist^> maszlo, magic :D
[20:03] <maszlo> chemist^, okay i will make a new sites-avail conf with that as template
[20:03] <chemist^> maszlo, if it's not too much trouble...backup your existing sites-enabled config and try the one I pasted above - change the folders and names accordingly of course and try it out...se if the error persists on your next boot
[20:04] <chemist^> also...all virtualhosts can listen to *:443
[20:04] <chemist^> Apache will know to which site to forward traffic by the "server name"
[20:04] <chemist^> no need to specify the host it listens on
[20:05] <maszlo> perhaps that is the issue with it needing to have networking? /etc/hosts is not loaded yet?
[20:06] <chemist^> Why does your networking load after apache?
[20:06] <maszlo> yeah that is where i thought the problem was
[20:06] <chemist^> have you tried my config? :D
[20:07] <maszlo> it was worse when was using init.d, then when enabled with systemd it was better with this error
[20:07] <maszlo> i didnt get to that yet.  sorry, i need to reply to an email first.
[20:09] <maszlo> to be clear.. it was only using the init.d script to load, and with that would not even start the apache service because networking was not up. systemd does have it load with just exceptions with cannot resolve the host name. Your config of not specifiying the hostname:443 is probably the root of the issue it is having
[20:11] <chemist^> as I've said
[20:11] <chemist^> You have specified your hostname inside the config.
[20:11] <chemist^> <VirtualHost nc.maszlo.com:443>
[20:11] <chemist^> just change that to VirtualHost *:443
[20:11] <chemist^> and add the other lines that you're missing compared to my config
[20:13] <maszlo> thank you, it will be a couple minutes to make these changes to test. i had to get connected into a vpn that limits my connection to where this computer is
[20:13] <chemist^> if you're using virtualhosts there is no need to specify the hostname on which it listens to
[20:13] <chemist^> Since it gets it from the "server_name" value
[20:14] <maszlo> chemist^, i am going to copy your example over to be my example for future.
[20:15] <chemist^> So any connection (*:443) that comes to the port 443 and with the server_name example.domain.com - apache will feed the correct site to the client (as specified in the DocumentRoot value)
[20:15] <chemist^> maszlo, +1
[20:16] <chemist^> maszlo, let me know once you try my config...if it still fails the same way
[20:19] <chemist^> going AFK for a moment... maszlo please send me a private message when you're done...channel messages don't get saved here ;)
[20:35] <chemist^> maszlo any luck? ;)
[20:35] <maszlo> chemist^, yes, success i was just writing you a pm
[20:37] <maszlo> it look like it notify of the server name from the apachectrl but does not stop things from working
[20:38] <maszlo> the error that could not resolve changed to Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS>. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message.. but like i said it works after reboot!
[20:46] <Blade-Runner> i am very irritated over this: the login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer. How do i stop it? i have tried everything i found on the web and so far nothing works
[20:47] <Blade-Runner> everytime i open chrome and it wont go away
[20:47] <Blade-Runner> if you know how to stop it please help
[20:48] <sarnold> Blade-Runner: check journalctl, there may be a more detailed error message or warning in the logs
[20:51] <Bashing-om> Blade-Runner: Alternately ^^ - remove the password requirement ?
[20:51] <Blade-Runner> i removed password
[20:52] <Blade-Runner> i disabled auto login
[20:52] <Blade-Runner> i unsynced google
[20:52] <Blade-Runner> no change
[20:52] <Bashing-om> Blade-Runner: Like: Close Chrome. Open the file manager, press ctrl+H or show hidden files from menu, go to .local/share/keyrings, move the content to some backup place. Then logout and log back in. Open Chrome, there will be a pop up asking you to set a keyring password, leave it blank, confirm, then it shouldn't bother you anymore. If everything works, you can delete the backup you saved earlier.
[20:52] <Blade-Runner> ok i'll try it thanks
[20:53] <Blade-Runner> oh and there is no journal about either logins or google or failed apps
[20:54] <quadrathoch2> Blade-Runner Bashing-om, the other way would be (if you don't remember passwords with chrome) just to remove the keyring ability with google-chrome --password-store=basic
[20:55] <Blade-Runner> i know the password it wants, and i have already days ago removed seahorse
[20:57] <Bashing-om> quadrathoch2: Good too know :D
[20:58] <guenhael> Hello, yesterday I have installed ubuntu 20.04 on my Intel-NUC10 and and lecked the screen. Today, when trying to use it again I get a black screen with a mouse only. From ssh I ran the top command and I can see that gnome-shell is using 100% of the CPU. Can anyone help me to fix this problem?
[20:59] <guenhael> locked*
[20:59] <Blade-Runner> that seems to have stopped it. thankyou thank you
[20:59] <Blade-Runner> U.S. lawmakers agree Big Tech has too much power
[21:00] <sarnold> guenhael: did you install any gnome extensions? those have a history of being iffy
[21:00] <guenhael> no I didn't installed any extension
[21:02] <guenhael> I just did a "LAMP" install
[21:04] <guenhael> I also set the scale of the screen to 200% (don't know if it could be the cause)
[21:05] <sarnold> I heard nvidia had trouble with fractional scaling when 20.04 was released; I don't know if that's fixed yet or not, but intel nuc doesn't feel likely to have nvidia .. probably that's fine
[21:07] <guenhael> yes I tried to find any help from the web and I've seen a lot of messages about Nvidia but NUC has no Nvidia card...
[21:14] <Sven_vB> on focal, how can I find which version of systemd-networkd I'm running? is it the same as systemctl --version?
[21:16] <BlueEagle> Sven_vB: apt search systemd-networkd
[21:16] <Sven_vB> BlueEagle, thanks!
[21:16] <BlueEagle> Sven_vB: You're welcome.
[21:18] <Sven_vB> BlueEagle, however this only finds "networkd-dispatcher" and "openvpn-systemd-resolved", probably because both of them have "systemd-resolved" in their description.
[21:22] <BlueEagle> Sven_vB: You're right. That is my bad.
[21:30] <mefistofeles> oh, ahylight left, but I just remembered another alternative for encrypted backup... restic (or similar, borg as well)
[21:31] <maszlo> guenhael, did you happen to update your NUC bios?
[21:33] <wpostma> I think you need to go to dpkg to get installed version info.
[21:36] <ijohnson> is it considered "normal" that I have intel-microcode installed if my machine has an amd64 processor and has never had an intel processor ?
[21:37] <quadrathoch2> ijohnson yes, as the distro just installs all generic firmwares, so if you move the install to another pc, you still have the newest firmware
[21:37] <ijohnson> quadrathoch2: ack thanks for confirming, I figured it was something like that
[21:39] <guenhael> maszlo, I don't really know how to do that but I can try...
[21:41] <maszlo> guenhael, if you run "sudo lshw |more" it will be the top of that under firmware
[21:42] <locsmif> Hi all. My router constantly does ARP requests for my entire LAN. My Ubuntu vm responds by constantly yelling PTR requests at my ISP's nameserver. Any idea which process is doing this and how I can stop it from happening?
[21:42] <maszlo> guenhael, i say this because i had a weird issue with my NUC 8 before running a firmware update. is yours the i7?
[21:43] <guenhael> mine is a NUC10 i5
[21:44] <maszlo> guenhael, actually all three use the same bios https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/29924/BIOS-Update-FNCML357-?product=188813
[21:44] <Poster> locsmif: if you are running a tcpdump without the "-n" option, it's going to try and resolve all IP addresses via reverse DNS lookup
[21:45] <guenhael> ok thank you I will try to update it
[21:45] <louis12345> I am trying to install a driver for this HDMI capture card. https://www.magewell.com/products/pro-capture-quad-hdmi  When I try to install it, I receive this error. https://bpa.st/M4CA
[21:45] <guenhael> my firmware version date is 31 of january 2020
[21:45] <louis12345> make: *** [Makefile:32: all] Error 2 is too vague for me to troubleshoot from here
[21:47] <sarnold> louis12345: this is the error that caused the build to fail: /home/louis/Downloads/ProCaptureForLinux_4186/mwcap_build/.ProCaptureLib.o.cmd: No such file or directory
[21:47] <louis12345> hmm.
[21:47] <louis12345> did they issue me an incomplete driver?
[21:47] <louis12345> this is odd
[21:48] <sarnold> perhaps, or perhaps it was intended for earlier kernels or newer kernels
[21:48] <maszlo> guenhael, interesting.. the change log only goes back to v0032 https://downloadmirror.intel.com/29924/eng/FN_0046_ReleaseNotes.pdf
[21:49] <locsmif> Poster: facepalm... shit... thank you.
[21:49] <louis12345> .ProCaptureLib.o.cmd is a file that seems like it would come from this driver, not my kernel
[21:49] <louis12345> hmm
[21:49] <sarnold> louis12345: yeah; in the logs, the 'uninstall' portion of the script claimed to remove a previous one, fwiw
[21:49] <locsmif> Poster: that was just incredibly stupid on my part. :/
[21:50] <louis12345> "Linux kernel 2.6.35 and above" I am using 5.8.0-3-amd64
[21:50] <louis12345> hmm.
[21:50]  * locsmif retires
[21:53] <guenhael> maszlo, mine is 0038
[21:53] <guenhael> I'm reading the documentation to update it
[22:24] <agile_prg> hi all, I am curious if I can connect to the desktop on ubuntu like I can on windows
[22:24] <agile_prg> I know how to do it with vnc, but that is not the real desktop
[22:25] <sarnold> ssh?
[22:25] <agile_prg> but I want to see the gui
[22:26] <bindi> agile_prg: xrdp?
[22:26] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: There is a difference in the way "the real desktop" works in Linux compared to Windows. In windows if you RDP in with -admin you get the console, but there is no real equivalent to this in Linux. The closest you get is an X server running on a given display.
[22:26] <agile_prg> hmm... ok
[22:28] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: If you just want to run X-applications you can run them on the box you are connecting to and display it on a local X server on the computer you are connecting from, but that will require it to have an X-server and connect with ssh and X-tunneling. If you just want to see a desktop that is completely running on the linux box then an RDP server would be a more sensible way to go.
[22:28] <BlueEagle> agile_prg: As bindi suggests, xrdp might be what you are looking for.
[22:29] <agile_prg> well there is this new feature that allows you to record a desktop
[22:29] <agile_prg> I am trying to use that
[22:29] <agile_prg> but do it remotely if you will on an application
[22:30] <leftyfb> agile_prg: x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority -usepw
[22:30] <leftyfb> agile_prg: you'll need to install x11vnc
[22:30] <leftyfb> agile_prg: there's also teamviewer
[22:31] <agile_prg> how do I get a screenshot of the current desktop?
[22:31] <EriC^> agile_prg: press prntscrn
[22:32] <agile_prg> heh, I am remote
[22:33] <luna_> level up
[22:33] <leftyfb> agile_prg: use a screenshot tool on the remote machine
[22:33] <guenhael> the firmware is updated, I will see if my problem reappear but lets hope that was the solution. Thank you for your help maszlo
[22:33] <leftyfb> agile_prg: I have a gnome extension called "screenshot tool" by oal that works great for me
[22:34] <destinydriven> Is deleting the .list file from /etc/apt/sources.list.d same as running the command sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:PPA_REPOSITORY_NAME/PPA. ??
[22:35] <leftyfb> destinydriven: you should use ppa-purge which will also remove/downgrade any packages installed from said ppa
[22:35] <destinydriven> Ok thanks
[22:35] <destinydriven> I just upgraded server to 20.04 and that's all a big mess
[22:36] <leftyfb> destinydriven: upgrading releases requires you to remove ppa's and the packages installed from them. Otherwise, yes, it creates a mess
[22:36] <destinydriven> I learnt this the hard way over the weekend
[22:50] <sunrunner20> is there a channel specificically for microk8s?
[22:52] <pipegeek> I'm having trouble using smbclient -- no matter what host I point it at, it exits immediately with no error message and an exit code of 1.  If I run with -d5, I still see no error --- the last message logged is "Client started (version 4.11.6-Ubuntu)." and then nothing.
[22:52] <pipegeek> any idea what might be happening?
[22:53] <pipegeek> running ubuntu 20.04.
[22:56] <compdoc> pipegeek, if you type smbclient by itself, what version is it?
[22:57] <pipegeek> compdoc, 4.11.6-Ubuntu
[22:57] <pipegeek> just recently installed.
[22:57] <compdoc> same as mine. i can list shares after entering the password
[22:58] <pipegeek> It doesn't even prompt me for one.
[22:58] <pipegeek> usage: smbclient smb://<host ip>/<share>
[22:58] <pipegeek> the host in question is a mac, with file sharing enabled.
[22:59] <pipegeek> behavior: the client exits immediately with no error message.
[23:01] <pipegeek> ah.  I'm a goof.  smb://ip/share didn't work. \\\\ip\\share did.
[23:03] <compdoc> smbclient \\\\zimmerman\\public mypasswd
[23:03] <compdoc> that works for me
[23:05] <pipegeek> yeah.  Now getting the behavior I expect, except that I'm getting NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE (which is what I was I think seeing from nautilus).  Not sure why that's happening, unless there's some quirk in how macos does smb
[23:05] <pipegeek> but at least the mystery is solved, haha
[23:06] <pipegeek> aha!  now that's solved as well
[23:06] <pipegeek> thanks, sorry for the noise.


[00:08] <cjwatson> wgrant: bzr mv lazr.jobrunner-0.11.tar.gz dist/
[00:09] <wgrant> cjwatson: blargh, oops
[00:09] <wgrant> cjwatson: Fixed, sorry
[00:10] <cjwatson> np
[00:41] <cjwatson> Huh.  I set lp.distributions["ubuntu"].redirect_release_uploads to True, and yet https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/queue?queue_state=1 shows anna having gone to the Release pocket :-(
[00:41]  * cjwatson wonders what he got wrong
[00:42] <cjwatson> I don't suppose poppy uses a different tree?
[00:43] <cjwatson> Well, except this is process-upload, not poppy as such
[00:44] <cjwatson> Unless I was in slightly too much of a rush and beat the rollout to pepo ...
[00:45] <cjwatson> That was it.  Phew.
[00:46] <wgrant> Yeah, appservers are done early on
[00:46] <wgrant> pepo not so much
[00:47] <spm> cjwatson: I can probably fill you in on a secret. we webops watch for activity from certain users - you're one of the lucky ones - and deliberately break things when you're on, just for our twisted amusement.
[00:47] <nigelb> lol
[00:47] <spm> Some of the devs have gotten in on this, and do similar, but release NDTs at those times.
[00:48] <nigelb> Heh, wgrant "I'm sorry for your loss"
[00:48] <spm> cjwatson: http://www.xfos.com.au/tears.jpg so yeah, drink up mon!
[00:49] <cjwatson> spm: I already assume computers are malevolent; operators being malevolent is just a logical extension
[00:49] <spm> c
[00:49] <nigelb> clearly spm's *s* expands to Simon, of BOFH.
[00:49] <spm> the p is derived from Rick.
[00:50] <spm> applied to, perhaps
[02:04] <wgrant> Hm
[02:05] <wgrant> Something increased the registry 99% render time from about 1.7s to 2.4s between the 19th and the 21st
[02:05] <wgrant> And it remains high
[02:06] <wgrant> That coincides well with a large number of private projects query changes
[02:29] <wallyworld_> wgrant: if you have a spare moment today, could you take a look at my preliminary experimentation with setting the correct binary package components? the extra joins in the binary overrides query are needed to get the associated source package release to get the spr component, but performance may be an issue. is what i've done on the right track?
[02:29] <wallyworld_> https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/package-defaults-192076/+merge/131509
[02:32] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Hm, doing it in the override queries is an interesting approach
[02:33]  * wallyworld_ has no idea about soyuz
[02:33] <wallyworld_> i just tried to gather the info that was needed
[02:34] <wallyworld_> maybe i can do another query later in the workflow
[02:34] <wallyworld_> i'm also unsure how to do the distro validity check
[02:38] <wgrant> wallyworld_: So, the main place this is a problem is in NascentUpload.processUnknownFile
[02:38]  * wallyworld_ looks at that method
[02:40] <wgrant> It's a bit sad that you've chosen possibly the worst bit of Soyuz to work on
[02:40] <wallyworld_> i have no idea what's good and what's bad
[02:40] <wgrant> The override stuff is particularly hideous, as it follows a design which I intended to be followed up by a major refactoring cleanup pass
[02:42] <wallyworld_> the calculateSourceOverrides() method seems to implement the rules in bug 120052, so i was doing a similar approach for binary packages
[02:42] <_mup_> Bug #120052: Component mapping for new source packages <lp-soyuz> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by julian-edwards> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/120052 >
[02:43] <wallyworld_> or so it seems to me anyway
[02:43] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Right, but you'll see that NascentUpload uses UnknownOverridePolicy.getComponentOverride directly
[02:44] <wallyworld_> does NascentUpload process binary packages?
[02:44] <wallyworld_> since that's what the bug is referring to
[02:44] <wgrant> Yes.
[02:44] <wgrant> It processes both source and binary uploads
[02:44] <wallyworld_> hmmm. ok. so binary packages are processed there and also in the code i've touched
[02:45] <wgrant> The code you've touched is mostly for copies
[02:45] <wallyworld_> copyBinariesTo()
[02:46] <wgrant> Which are somewhat interesting, but post-date the bug by some years
[02:46] <wgrant> They're not the common case, even today
[02:46] <wallyworld_> so, if NascentUpload is changed, the copy stuff should be changed too i guess
[02:46] <wallyworld_> to be consistent
[02:46] <wgrant> Sort of
[02:47] <wgrant> The copy overrides stuff is pretty awful
[02:47] <wgrant> I don't quite remember how that side of things works with respect to the queue
[02:47] <wallyworld_> so, i assume that NascentUpload has enough info to find the spr associated with a binary, then i can go from there
[02:48] <wgrant> Right, when uploading a binary we always have a target build, which has a related SPR
[02:49] <wallyworld_> how do i check if a component is valid for a distroseries?
[02:50] <wgrant> That's recorded in the ComponentSelection table
[02:50] <wgrant> However
[02:50] <wgrant> however...
[02:50] <wgrant> Are you using SPR.component?
[02:50] <wgrant> I haven't read the MP in detail
[02:50] <wallyworld_> yes
[02:50] <wgrant> That's incorrect, sadly.
[02:50] <wgrant> You need to find SPPH.component, for some relevant SPPH
[02:51] <wgrant> Which is probably BinaryPackageBuild.current_source_publication
[02:51] <wallyworld_> my brain hurts
[02:51] <wgrant> SPR.component is set only once, when the SPR is created in the DB for the first time
[02:51] <wallyworld_> ok, i haven't seen any data, i was just guessing based on attribute names
[02:51] <wgrant> For lots of Ubuntu packages, they're first imported from Debian
[02:52] <wgrant> So they appear first in main in the Debian primary archive, so SPR.component == main
[02:52] <wgrant> Then they're copied into Ubuntu, where the SPPH.component is overridden to universe
[02:52] <wgrant> The binaries should default not to main, but to universe
[02:52] <wgrant> Even though SPR.component still == main
[02:53] <wallyworld_> ok. could i perhaps just add an override mapping from main->universe?
[02:53] <wgrant> You may now be getting the rationale behind my campaign to unify uploads and copies
[02:53] <wgrant> Nope
[02:53] <wgrant> It won't always be universe in Ubuntu
[02:53] <wgrant> It could be main
[02:53] <wgrant> or restricted
[02:53] <wgrant> or multiverse
[02:54] <wallyworld_> sure, but i mean just for the default mapping
[02:54] <wgrant> So, the general rule is that if a new binary has no existing ancestral component, it should inherit the component of its build's current SPPH
[02:56] <wallyworld_> ok, so i look in ComponentSelection with spph.component to see if it is valid for the distroseries
[02:56] <wallyworld_> if valid, use that, if not valid, what do i do then?
[02:56] <wallyworld_> just use universe?
[02:58] <wgrant> Well
[02:58] <wgrant> I'd just always use SPPH.component, probably
[02:58] <wgrant> The SPPH is in the relevant distroseries
[02:58] <wgrant> If it's not, crashing is OK
[02:58] <wallyworld_> ok, and if there isn't one?
[02:58] <wallyworld_> raise an exception
[02:59] <wgrant> That's a more interesting question
[02:59] <wgrant> We already have an issue today with builds where there is no current source publication
[02:59] <wgrant> Usually because the source was supereseded/deleted before the build finished
[03:00] <wgrant> eg. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/120668537/aYDS2Qq6K4jADFvNDYo0RyGBld1.txt
[03:00] <wgrant> And I think there's a bug for that
[03:00] <wallyworld_> ok, that can be for some other branch to fix i guess
[03:00] <wallyworld_> so above you said "sort of" when i asked about ensuring both places were consistent - copy and upload
[03:00] <wallyworld_> if i change upload, then copy has to change too i would think
[03:00] <wgrant> So, I'd use SPPH.component, assume it's valid, use the current default mechanism if it's not set
[03:01] <wgrant> You need to preserve the current default mechanism for sources, anyway
[03:01] <wgrant> (processUnknownFile is used for both sources and binaries)
[03:01] <wallyworld_> yes, i wasn't going to touch sources
[03:02] <wgrant> I have to hope that StevenK remembers how missing copy overrides work
[03:02] <wallyworld_> i guess target_build = None for sources?
[03:02] <wgrant> It's relatively modern and I have repressed that memory
[03:02] <wgrant> Um
[03:02] <wgrant> That's one way
[03:03] <wgrant> You'll need to redesign the way processUnknownFile is called
[03:03] <wallyworld_> missing copy overrides seems to use the archive component or defaults to "universe"
[03:03] <wgrant> So it can be given some context
[03:03] <wallyworld_> ok, i haven't looked at the code fully yet
[03:03] <wallyworld_> so, is using the archive component correct then for mising copies?
[03:04] <wgrant> Oh, as in archive.default_component?
[03:04] <wallyworld_> yes
[03:04] <wgrant> If it's set, sure
[03:04] <wgrant> It overrides the traditional default logic
[03:04] <wallyworld_> the code defaults to universe if it is not set
[03:05] <wgrant> But only for partner/PPA
[03:05] <wgrant> Well
[03:05] <wgrant> IIRC it defaults to universe unless [SB]PR.component is contrib or non-free, in which case it defaults to multiverse
[03:05] <wgrant> Right?
[03:05] <wallyworld_> that's force sources i think
[03:05] <wallyworld_> for
[03:05] <wallyworld_> not binaries
[03:06] <wgrant> Today it's meant to go: ancestry.component, archive.default_component, [SB]PR.component -> universe/multiverse
[03:07] <wgrant> The bugfix will be: ancestry.component, (if binary) build.current_source_publication.component, archive.default_component, [SB]PR.component -> universe/multiverse
[03:07] <wgrant> I think
[03:08] <wallyworld_> i think it looks in spph first, and then uses a default mapping for unknown
[03:08] <wgrant> Right, it will always look up the [SB]PPH ancestry first
[03:08] <wallyworld_> default mapping is contrib/non-free -> multiverse
[03:09] <wallyworld_> everything else -> universe
[03:09] <wgrant> Right, that's the last resort
[03:09] <wallyworld_> above, build.current_source_publication.component = spph.component, right?
[03:10] <wgrant> current_source_publication is an SPPH, right
[03:11] <wallyworld_> ok, i'll give it a go. i might delay doing the extra query when copying binaries so that only unknown ones are processed that way
[03:11] <wallyworld_> rather than doing the extra joins up front
[03:12] <wgrant> Yeah, definitely.
[03:12] <wallyworld_> i wonder how many copied binaries are unknown
[03:12] <wgrant> It happens most often with kernel SRUs and security updates
[03:12] <wgrant> But it's relatively very rare
[03:12] <wallyworld_> ok. thanks for all the help
[03:13] <wgrant> The plan was to rewrite find_and_apply_overrides to basically use lp.soyuz.adapters.overrides for everything, but it never got done
[03:13] <wallyworld_> i haven't come across find_and_apply_overrides yet
[03:14] <wallyworld_> ah, it's in NascentUpload
[03:14] <wgrant> Right
[03:14] <wgrant> It's what calls processUnknownFile
[03:14] <wgrant> It's the original implementation of the override logic
[03:15] <wgrant> Copies didn't respect overrides until 18 months ago
[03:15] <wallyworld_> so we have 2 implementations, do they do the same thing?
[03:15] <wallyworld_> ie give the same result?
[03:15] <wgrant> Mostly except sort of not
[03:15] <wgrant> The idea was that lp.soyuz.adapters.overrides would be the One True Implementation
[03:15] <wgrant> But the old one was never destroyed, in true LP style :(
[03:15] <wallyworld_> so maybe i should at least make upload and copy do the same thing then
[03:16] <wallyworld_> and delete the old code
[03:16] <wgrant> That sounds slightly too adventurous
[03:16] <wgrant> For a first adventure into Soyuz
[03:16] <wgrant> Although it would be a good tour, I guess
[03:16] <wallyworld_> isn't it just the find_and_apply_overrides method to be replaced?
[03:16] <wallyworld_> with calls to the adaptor
[03:16] <wgrant> mostly
[03:17] <wgrant> It's unlikely to be as smooth as we hope
[03:17] <wgrant> As we don't have publications here
[03:17] <wallyworld_> is there adequate test coverage?
[03:18] <wgrant> Not adequate enough that I'd deploy it without extensive manual QA, but probably enough for development.
[03:19] <wallyworld_> ok, i'll have a play around and see what falls out. but if i do it, i'll have to beg for help with qa
[03:19] <wgrant> With the history of this stuff, I would be QAing it personally regardless of who wrote it and had already QAed it, don't worry
[03:20] <wgrant> The archiveuploader tests are some of the most archaic we have
[03:20]  * StevenK can recall that about his overrides policy code
[03:20] <wallyworld_> ok, thanks. it may be that i chicken out
[03:21] <wallyworld_> but i'd like to get rid of inconsistent, "duplicate" code
[03:21] <wallyworld_> where possible
[03:21] <wgrant> Definitely
[03:22] <wgrant> This is an example that really needs it, but it's not the easiest way to start off in Soyuz.
[03:22] <wgrant> So we'll see
[03:23] <wgrant> StevenK and I probably know both sides of this code reasonably well
[03:23] <wgrant> So can unstick you as required
[03:23] <wallyworld_> ok, thanks
[03:24] <wallyworld_> it's hard because i have no domain knowledge and don't know where to find data to help me understand the code :-)
[03:24] <wallyworld_> but, we'll see
[03:24] <StevenK> wallyworld_: I think your first step is to print out http://behlerblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/frustrated-kit.jpg
[03:25] <wallyworld_> hah, i did that when i first used zope
[03:25] <StevenK> Tell me about it, so did I.
[03:26] <StevenK> *And* I had to learn Soyuz at the same time
[03:26] <wallyworld_> a good debugger is absolutely mandatory
[03:26] <wgrant> But you had Soyuz experience!
[03:26] <StevenK> wgrant: Sure, with using it!
[03:26] <nigelb> lol
[03:26] <StevenK> Tells me absolutely nothing about how the code hangs together.
[03:26] <nigelb> That reminds me of my first lp patch.
[03:27] <wallyworld_> StevenK: so, same with women
[03:27] <nigelb> I was using grep to find things and I needed like 5 windows for grepping different things.
[03:27] <wallyworld_> nigelb: you need an IDE with code navigation features
[03:27] <wallyworld_> much easier
[03:27] <nigelb> I'm guessing you use pycharm?
[03:27] <ajmitch> nigelb: you obviously were changing a simple part of LP then
[03:28] <wallyworld_> yup
[03:28] <nigelb> ajmitch: Heh, yes.
[03:28] <nigelb> I need to get back to LP dev. Been lazy.
[03:28] <wallyworld_> s/lazy/smart
[03:29] <nigelb> ^ I was trying to be diplomatic
[03:29] <wallyworld_> i was joking :-)
[03:29] <wallyworld_> lp is nice once you get to know and love it
[03:29] <nigelb> s/love/not want to kill yourself/g
[03:29] <nigelb> *kill yourself because of
[03:30] <wallyworld_> it's just like any lrge software system with lots of legacy
[03:30] <nigelb> That's true.
[03:30] <ajmitch> wallyworld_: stockholm syndrome is real
[03:30] <nigelb> ajmitch++
[03:30] <wallyworld_> lol
[03:30] <nigelb> hahah
[03:36] <wallyworld_> sadly i have to pause the fun soyuz stuff to deal with some ec2 hate mail
[03:37] <nigelb> ajmitch: I'll admit, fixing LP bugs was among the most satisfying bugfixes I've done.
[03:38] <nigelb> When I did the mouseover for bug titles thing, a lot of people pinged me say they love it ;)
[03:38] <nigelb> (granted it took like 3 attempts at landing to actually land)
[03:41] <wallyworld_> wgrant: have you seen ec2 failure with "ClosedError: Connection is closed" but the tests pass locally?
[03:42] <wgrant> wallyworld_: In what sort of test?
[03:42] <wallyworld_> a couple of doc tests
[03:42] <wgrant> Hm
[03:42] <wallyworld_> eg xx-bug-also-affects.txt
[03:42] <wgrant> If they're the only failures and not very relevant to your changes, just lp-land I guess
[03:42] <wgrant> Hm
[03:43] <wgrant> This is for the +distrotask change?
[03:43] <wallyworld_> yes
[03:43] <wallyworld_> could be relevant
[03:43] <wallyworld_> but i would expect a local failure also
[03:43] <wgrant> Yeah
[03:43] <wgrant> Perhaps ec2 again to be safe
[03:43] <wallyworld_> yeah :-(
[03:43] <wgrant> Won't be a significant delay, as we are unlikely to deploy again today
[03:43] <wallyworld_> well, here's hoping for 2nd time lucky
[05:28] <nigelb> lifeless: Did you see that sentry has a js logger thing?
[05:28] <nigelb> Hehe, I was going to setup sentry for python logging when I noticed it :)
[06:57] <lifeless> nigelb: yah, did you see the branch for oops that adds that ?
[06:58] <lifeless> imbrandon was working on a revised version
[06:58] <nigelb> lifeless: hah. no.
[06:58] <nigelb> awesome.
[06:58] <lifeless> nigelb: https://code.launchpad.net/js-oopsd
[07:02] <nigelb> \o/
[07:02] <nigelb> Nice.
[07:06] <deryck> StevenK, are you around?
[07:09] <adeuring> deryck: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-1067736/+merge/131527
[07:10] <deryck> adeuring, got it.
[07:21] <rick_h_> deryck: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1068817
[07:21] <_mup_> Bug #1068817: Person.assigned_specs is an attractive nuisance <private-projects> <specifications> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by rharding> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068817 >
[07:36] <StevenK> deryck: I am now, but not really as it were.
[07:36] <deryck> StevenK, right.  I replied on abentley's MP.  We just need to get that landed, and I assumed you were done with it.
[07:37] <StevenK> deryck: Link me, sorry?
[07:38] <deryck> StevenK, https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/person-assigned-specs-in-progress/+merge/130888
[07:38] <deryck> StevenK, last comment from me.
[07:38] <StevenK> deryck: Well, obviously :-)
[07:38] <deryck> Just trying to be clear :)
[07:40] <StevenK> deryck: I am concerned about the NULL thing, since it may leak data or provide results that are not wanted, so then please do land that branch, but also please investigate to make sure that the NULL doesn't sneak in for the actual code.
[07:41] <deryck> StevenK, there is no NULL in the code.  that was a manual substitution we did to test the query.
[07:41] <deryck> StevenK, the actuall code-generated query uses two values from the enum.
[07:43] <StevenK> deryck: Ah. What I do to test SQL like that is to run a single test with LP_DEBUG_SQL=1 to grab the actual SQL, change the id's for say person or what not and then run it
[07:43] <abentley> StevenK: We were trying to be clever, and failing.
[07:43] <deryck> StevenK, cool, thanks for the tip.
[07:44] <deryck> StevenK, so we're cool then?
[07:45] <StevenK> deryck: Yes. I'm happy to approve it and you guys can land it if you wish?
[07:45] <deryck> StevenK, thanks!
[07:46] <StevenK> deryck, abentley: Done.
[09:32] <abentley> rick_h_: Could you please review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/milestone-spec-privacy/+merge/131560
[13:17] <adeuring> deryck: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/filter-private-product-RosettaApplication/+merge/131613