[12:15] <danohuiginn> oh! Thanks, TheMuso, I had never heard of pbuilder; I'll have a look at it
[12:16] <shawarma_> Adri2000: There. Uploaded the new avidemux.
[12:17] <jdong> awesome, thanks, shawarma_
[12:22] <shawarma_> jdong: no
[12:22] <shawarma_> er..
[12:22] <shawarma_> i meant "np", of course. :-)
[12:23] <jdong> shawarma_: well fine don't take my politeness ;-)
[12:29] <shawarma_> jdong: You're angry? Wait till you tell crimsun. :-)
[12:30] <shawarma_> jdong: /win 4
[12:30] <shawarma_> jdong: Or not
[12:30] <jdong> shawarma_: shhhh :) I'm planning on not worrying about it unless I get a bugreport about xglSetFonts()
[12:30] <jdong> or whatever that borken command is
[12:31] <shawarma_> New bug: #92081 in xserver-xgl (main) "xglSetFonts() is b0rk3n" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/92081
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92081 in synaptic "[apport]  synaptic crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:31] <shawarma_> Ah, busted.
[12:31] <jdong> shawarma_: lol
[12:32] <jdong> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=commit;h=513d88cc87cfaa0efb5fe23db4ecee020e0b8efd
[12:32] <shawarma_> Ubugtu: Thanks a lot. :-(
[12:32] <jdong> that changeset....
[12:32] <jdong> it's like a 10-line diff of replacing 'n' with 'i'
[12:32] <shawarma_> jdong: Yeah, just saw it.
[12:33] <shawarma_> jdong: Looks important in a subtle kind of way.
[12:33] <jdong> yeah I keep thinking we'll see something break because of it not being available
[12:33] <jdong> let me see if it applies without the 10 other syncing commits :)
[12:33] <jussi01> can someone tell me how to find astraljava's bzr branches? I looked on launchpad under ubuntu studio but I can seem to figure out which ones are his branches...
[12:34] <jdong> ooh it does
[12:35] <shawarma_> jdong: You remember me not knowing about bsg? I looked around and it turns out it's hasn't on Danish tv before some time in January this year.. No wonder I didn't know about it.
[12:35] <jdong> heh
[12:35] <jdong> interesting
[12:35] <shawarma_> "it's hasn't on"? what the..
[12:36] <jdong> would this patch need approval from uvf folks again or can anyone sponsor it?
[12:41] <shawarma_> jdong: It wouldn't need UFVe approval, no.
[12:41] <shawarma_> jdong: It's just a bugfix.
[12:41] <jdong> okie, I'll prepare up a patch and test it
[12:42] <jdong> I'm gonna wager a guess and say that arbitrary broken OpenGL calls should be fixed ;-)
[12:42] <shawarma> xserver-xgl... It's only fglrx users who need it, isn't it?
[12:45] <jdong> shawarma: yeah, which is still significant... and also nvidia legacy and Geforce4 <=MX440 say Xgl is faster
[12:46] <shawarma> jdong: Sure it's significant. It's just amazing how much work everyone else has to do because ATI are lazy bastards.
[12:46] <jdong> yeah, it's unfortunate no doubt
[12:46] <jdong> but as long as I have an ATI card I'll do all I can to get eyecandy on them :)
[12:48] <jdong> shawarma: I can almost assure you that the first 6 months of their future AIGLX-compatible driver will be riddled with hardlocks and bugs....
[12:48] <jdong> so Xgl will still have to be used long into the future for fglrx users.
[12:51] <shawarma> I'm no GL expert. At all. Nevertheless, texture_from_pixmap sounds like the most basic function call imaginable. How would one do anything useful without being able to create a texture from a pixmap?
[12:52] <jdong> well I guess it wasn't necessary before the day of desktop compositing
[12:52] <jdong> and fglrx has much more serious work than making textures from pixmaps
[12:52] <jdong> right now you can't even use composite with hardware acceleration.
[12:53] <shawarma> I don't even know what composite does (apart from enable desktop bling).
[12:54] <jdong> shawarma: I'm no expert on X crap, but I think it allows you to draw a window on an off-screen buffer
[12:55] <jdong> then have X be able to put it on the screen, etc.
[12:55] <shawarma> jdong: => bling? Cool.
[12:55] <jdong> yeah , I think that's probably the first step towards bling
[12:55] <jdong> Beryl I know can operate solely from the composite extension
[12:55] <jdong> (though very inefficiently
[12:56] <shawarma> Ok.
[12:58] <shawarma> jdong: Do you use beryl or compiz?
[12:58] <Slant_Laptop> I have a package patch for slab / gnome-main-menu. Is it worth it to get REVU access, or can I just post the debdiff to the relevant bugs and someone else will get to it?
[12:58] <jdong> I have both around, but personally I prefer Beryl for myself
[12:58] <jdong> I like what they've added, and the extreme amount of customizability too
[12:58] <shawarma> Slant_Laptop: Are there bugs on launchpad for it?
[12:59] <jdong> but Compiz would be more appropriate for a more professional-use oriented system.
[12:59] <shawarma> Slant_Laptop: If so, just attach the debdiffs there and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[12:59] <jdong> it captures a lot of the usability features of compositing without obnoxious effects :)
[01:00] <Slant_Laptop> shawarma: Thanks.
[01:00] <shawarma> jdong: I used to like it, too. At some point, though, they thought they were smart, and made the settings-manager thing check if a certain key combo did more than one thing. Since then, I've ditched it. I need <Alt>Button1 to do two things.
[01:00] <shawarma> jdong: I need it to initiate window move AND raise the window.
[01:00] <jdong> shawarma: ah, interesting. I haven't ran into problems like that yet... there's just some Beryl features I really come to love and depend on.
[01:01] <shawarma> jdong: I think the window preview thing is really cool.
[01:01] <jdong> shawarma: ring task switcher, transparent cube, 3D elevated windows, window preview, invert color scheme.....
[01:01] <shawarma> jdong: Of course I've been too frickin' lazy to file a bug.
[01:01] <shawarma> jdong: invert color scheme??! For what?
[01:01] <jdong> shawarma: i.e. try reading a 60 page black on white PDF.
[01:01] <jdong> it begins to hurt. very soon.
[01:02] <shawarma> jdong: I do it all the time. I prefer to read on my computer.
[01:02] <jdong> and it takes all the burn out of annoying neon-pink on neon-green color schemes too.
[01:02] <jdong> shawarma: well my eyes benefit from being able to invert colors
[01:02] <Slant_Laptop> shawarma: Done. LP #63096.
[01:02] <Slant_Laptop> shawarma: Thanks.
[01:02] <jdong> and it also becomes easier to view on lowest LCD brightness
[01:02] <shawarma> Slant_Laptop: Oh, thank you!
[01:03] <shawarma> jdong: I have an intel graphics card so I try to keep the bling at a pretty low level.
[01:03] <jdong> shawarma: Quinn only has a 915 and it's working for her as a developer :)
[01:03] <jdong> shawarma: the effects I mentioned are pretty polite on the graphics card
[01:03] <jdong> except transparent cube
[01:04] <shawarma> jdong: She does? Interesting.
[01:04] <jdong> yeah, surprised me a lot at first, too :)
[01:05] <shawarma> jdong: It's good to know, though.
[01:06] <shawarma> jdong: That way we know that there's focus on performance on low-end cards, too.
[01:06] <jdong> yeah
[01:06] <jdong> the last thing I want to see our 3D compositing do is to require elitist GPU's
[01:06] <jdong> like some Other OS.
[01:06] <jdong> well gonna restart Xgl and test that patch
[01:07] <jdong> :)
[01:07] <shawarma> I actually saw vista run on a laptop with intel 945 graphics..
[01:07] <shawarma> I didn't look all that bad.
[01:07] <shawarma> Oh, he left.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: *grin*
[01:08] <shawarma> ?
[01:08] <shawarma> Oh.
[01:08] <ajmitch> Hobbsee saying "stay out of our area!"
[01:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm concerned about how big the MOTU is attemtping to extend itself, when the reasons these separate subcouncils, etc, were created, was to stop the CC/TB doing exactly the same thing.
[01:09] <ajmitch> I'm concerned that the proposal was to dump snapshots in universe & not support them afterwards, meaning that it'd be a waste of MOTU time
[01:09] <Hobbsee> MOTU doesnt work on kde for the most part anyway
[01:09] <Hobbsee> i fail to see that changing anytime soon
[01:09] <jdong> whee it works
[01:09] <Hobbsee> but you're right.  they're snapshots, and are obviously treated as such.  anyone who knows about KDE4 realises that.
[01:09] <jdong> anyone careth to sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff
[01:09] <jdong> small patch pulled from upstream git
[01:10] <ajmitch> and being in universe, lots of people won't know all the details about kde4 & will install them
[01:10] <ajmitch> "ooh new shiny!"
[01:10] <jdong> (fixes some broken OpenGL calls)
[01:10] <jdong> ajmitch: 4>3, right? :D
[01:10] <ajmitch> yep
[01:10] <shawarma> jdong: As I was saying. I actually saw Vista run on a laptop with intel 945 graphics..
[01:11] <shawarma> jdong: It didn't look all that bad.
[01:11] <jdong> shawarma: my roomie has Vista running on a GMA950
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true.  and they wont read package descriptions, etc, either, because people dont read.
[01:11] <shawarma> jdong: I'm guessing that was what you were referring to.
[01:11] <jdong> shawarma: it ran the basics well
[01:11] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: they're users.
[01:11] <Hobbsee> which also means that they may not read enough to get to the right section of LP, hopefully.
[01:11] <shawarma> jdong: Oh, it's the only time I've ever seen Vista. I don't know how much or how little was enabled.
[01:12] <jdong> shawarma: but start actually _using_ the compositor's API rather than looking at the alt-tab effects, and boy it just dies
[01:12] <ajmitch> it's getting too easy to file bugs now
[01:12] <Hobbsee> exactly.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> i'm starting to think we need a bug which says "your bug did not contain enough info" and just mark all the silly bugs as dupes of that.  or something.
[01:14] <Slant_Laptop_> shawarma: Is there any way to check if the debdiff is being handled by someone? I guess what I'm asking is is there any feedback outside of subscribing motu-sponsors and waiting?
[01:14] <shawarma> Slant_Laptop_: I just remembered. gnome-main-menu is not in universe.
[01:14] <Slant_Laptop> shawarma: Oh?
[01:14] <Slant_Laptop> Haha. Is it not now?
[01:14] <Slant_Laptop> Uh.
[01:14] <Slant_Laptop> Section: universe/gnome
[01:14] <Hobbsee> slab appears to be in universe, yes.
[01:15] <shawarma> Slant_Laptop_: what the..
[01:15] <jdong> yeah it's universe....
[01:15] <shawarma> It WAS in main for while, wasn't it?
[01:15] <Slant_Laptop> shawarma: slab wasn't ever in main, I don't think.
[01:15] <shawarma> Oh, well.
[01:15] <esaym> anyone backported python2.5?
[01:15] <jdong> that requires like a massive python subsystem backport :)
[01:16] <esaym> I am trying to do it for dapper using the fiesty source.  I get this error though http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10290/
[01:16] <Hobbsee> jdong: you should do it.  you like crack, remember?
[01:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: not that much crack :)
[01:16] <shawarma> Slant_Laptop: Well... You can hang around here and poke people until something happens.
[01:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: yay Xgl is uploaded, my day is all the brighter :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:16] <esaym> jdong: how much is "massive"  I from what I see it's about 5
[01:17] <Hobbsee> massive == too many == more than he wants to
[01:17] <Slant_Laptop> shawarma: Mainly I'd like to be personally yelled at if there is something wrong with the patch, so I can "not do that" in future submissions.
[01:17] <jdong> esaym: you need all the python-central and dh_python stuff too
[01:17] <Slant_Laptop> In the past, I'd just attach source changes.
[01:17] <Slant_Laptop> Then maintainers would say, "post a debdiff."
[01:17] <jdong> esaym: and that will also cause all python modules to need to be adapted to the new python buildsystem.....
[01:17] <Slant_Laptop> Then I'd post debdiff wo/ changelogs... etc. Progressio.
[01:17] <jdong> esaym: when py2.5 went in to Edgy I remember doko uploading new versions of like 50 python extensions.....
[01:17] <Slant_Laptop> So now it's a complete debdiff w/ changelog and all.
[01:18] <esaym> hmm
[01:18] <esaym> But any clue to why I get that error I posted?
[01:19] <shawarma> Slant_Laptop: Heh... Yeah, we're tough to please. :-)
[01:19] <shawarma> Slant_Laptop: I'm waaay to tired to do anything about it right now. Sorry.
[01:21] <esaym> I am not trying to backport all of the python stuff.  I just need python defaults2.5 and that requires python2.5.  All for libgpod4.2
[01:21] <esaym> but I am stuck on that error
[01:22] <jdong> esaym: you're trying to backport libgpod?
[01:22] <esaym> yea rofl
[01:22] <jdong> btw you'd need to recompile every app that links to libgpod too if you do that
[01:23] <jdong> otherwise it will WRITE CORRUPT ITUNESDB FILES
[01:23] <jdong> i.e. it doesn't just crash on start
[01:23] <jdong> that'd be too kind
[01:23] <jdong> it actually eats your iTunesDB and inserts bogus information
[01:23] <esaym> I was going to make a backports of gtkpod and libgpod
[01:23] <jdong> I would not recommend distributing any libgpod backports
[01:23] <jdong> it's fine if you want to do it for yourself....
[01:24] <esaym> well yea I was going to do it for myself and see what happeneds
[01:24] <jdong> but the effects of the libgpod ABI break are too dangerous to propagate
[01:25] <esaym> hmm, thanks for the headsup though
[01:25] <jdong> yeah, np
[01:25] <jdong> don't want you to spend a weekend re-building an iTunesDB too
[01:25] <shawarma> jdong: gtkpod keeps backups around nowadays, doesn't it?
[01:25] <jdong> and not a peep outta any of you about backups :)
[01:25] <jdong> shawarma: that wasn't the problem
[01:25] <jdong> I was aiming to build gtkpod anyway
[01:25] <shawarma> jdong: oh?
[01:26] <jdong> that was the point of new libgpod for me
[01:26] <jdong> but when I plugged my iPod in RHYTHMBOX started
[01:26] <jdong> and found the iPod
[01:26] <jdong> and.... yeah....
[01:26] <jdong> ow.
[01:26] <shawarma> That's teach you not to.. well.. do stuff!
[01:26] <esaym> well everything should be fine if I am using both gtkpod and libgpod from fiesty right?
[01:27] <shawarma> Depends.
[01:27] <jdong> esaym: you need to rebuild every libgpod using app
[01:27] <shawarma> If gnome-volume-manager starts up rhythmbox or something when you plug in your ipod...
[01:27] <jdong> esaym: or remember NEVER EVER open them
[01:28] <jdong> jdong@severance:~$ apt-cache rdepends libgpod1 libgpod0 | wc -l
[01:28] <jdong> 15
[01:28] <jdong> yeah, all of those.
[01:28] <esaym> so if I open amarok and close it, the next time I use gtkpod it would corrupt?
[01:29] <jdong> esaym: yeah, opening amarok will likely damage your iTunesDB
[01:29] <shawarma> That is *so* broken.
[01:29] <jdong> esaym: you can tell because the iPod will not play any of the songs anymore
[01:30] <jdong> esaym: and when you look @ it with gtkpod, they all have lengths of some -3888s
[01:30] <esaym> jdong: but even if the ipod is not connected at the time amarok is opened?
[01:30] <jdong> esaym: it's fine if it wasn't connected
[01:30] <shawarma> esaym: Yes. Weird isn't it?
[01:30] <jdong> in other words, unless you're gonna DIE without new libgpod, don't do it
[01:30] <jdong> one day you're gonna accidentally open up one of these apps with your iPod connected
[01:30] <esaym> well I was just bored actually
[01:30] <jdong> and feel really stupid :)
[01:31] <jdong> repeat: in other words, unless you're gonna DIE without new libgpod, don't do it
[01:31] <esaym> saw some people complaining on the forums for suppport for it in edgy and dapper
[01:31] <shawarma> jdong: Has this been reported somewhere? It's really broken they didn't bump the SONAME or something.
[01:32] <jdong> shawarma: it was noted as an "oh btw" in the upload of 0.4.0 to Feisty
[01:32] <jdong> shawarma: lol
[01:32] <jdong> esaym: it's not safe to do
[01:32] <jdong> esaym: that's one of the first things I tried when I got my iPod
[01:32] <jdong> (2nd being beating the ffmpeg stack with a long stick)
[01:32] <esaym> well this freaking sucks, spent like 10 hours on this so far....
[01:33] <jdong> and then I took a picture of myself beating ffmpeg stack with a stick
[01:33] <jdong> I took a stack of jewel cases, labeled them "ffmpeg", and  beat it violently with an Apprehender CB-01
[01:33] <shawarma> jdong: URL?
[01:33] <jdong> and don't ask why I have one.
[01:33] <esaym> link to the pics? ;)
[01:34] <jdong> long story.
[01:34] <jdong> ok, ok, forgive me.... I JUST discovered f-spot the other day
[01:34] <jdong> and am still organizing :D
[01:34] <jdong> when I come across it I'll be sure to post it somewhere :)
[01:34] <jdong> "here's jdong beating ffmpeg into shape"
[01:36] <esaym> well is there a how to for debianizing sources?
[01:36] <jdong> ajmitch: f-spot is broken f-spot is broken f-spot is broken....
[01:36] <jdong> lol
[01:37] <jdong> ajmitch: that would probably be good for me.. this physics pset isn't finishing itself
[01:37] <ajmitch> heh
[01:37] <Slant_Laptop> Anyone else want to take a look at the diff on #63096 and let me know if there is anything wrong with it?
[01:49] <esaym> well yea now that I check it looks like libgpod is buried pretty good
[01:49] <esaym> I should have checked that before I spent 10 hours trying to backport it >_<
[01:49] <esaym> Well anything that I can backport while I am in the mood?
[01:49] <esaym> :p
[01:50] <esaym> hmm
[01:50] <esaym> at least I know how to do it now I think
[01:52] <jdong> yeah... prevu <pkg>
[01:52] <jdong> :)
[01:52] <esaym> yea I saw that.  Was using pbuilder.
[01:53] <jdong> suit yourself :)
[01:53] <esaym> man I feel worthless now.  I thought that I was going to be "that cool guy that backported libgpod"
[01:53] <esaym> sad
[01:53] <esaym> rofl
[01:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:54] <jdong> I'm sorry :)
[01:55] <jdong> what is it with all the SEX on planet?
[01:55] <jdong> this is getting ridiculous.
[01:55] <jdong> "Could the new Ubuntu Splash get any more phallic?"
[02:00] <esaym> well shat
[02:01] <jdong> before long we'll have apt-cache search sex all over the place.
[02:02] <jdong> aww who got rid of libmail-audit-perl??
[02:02] <bddebian> Isn't there already a package called sex?
[02:02] <jdong> I demand it back... the "apt-cache search christ on a stick" trick no longer works.
[02:03] <shawarma> jdong: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6790790/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-ia64.avidemux_1%3A2.3.0-0.0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:04] <shawarma> Alright! Just submitted my first patch to beryl.
[02:04] <jdong> shawarma: xulrunner apparently still broken on IA64.
[02:04] <shawarma> If they're even remotely sane, it will also be my last. :-) http://bugs.beryl-project.org/ticket/1715
[02:06] <shawarma> Well, I had fun writing it.
[02:06] <shawarma> I'm off to bed, guys.
[02:06] <shawarma> Cheers.
[02:07] <bddebian> Gnight shawarma
[02:29] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:29] <ajmitch> crimsun: what was the latest modesetting branch of the i810 driver?
[02:38] <crimsun> ajmitch: meaning version in Debian [1.9.91-2]  or the actual URL [http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel.git;a=shortlog;h=modesetting ] ?
[02:40] <ajmitch> since there seems to be some confusion as to which package does what
[02:40] <crimsun> ah
[02:40] <bddebian> Damn I hate it when I get de-motivated
[02:41] <crimsun> well, I asked Timo a couple days ago about merging 1.9.91-1 (at that time), and he mentioned there needing to be extra defines in -intel due to some code removal
[02:41] <ajmitch> ok
[02:43] <crimsun> (I haven't tested 1.9.91-2, just been using the compiled deb from http://tiber.tauware.de/~crimsun/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting_1.7.2.git20070210-1_i386.deb )
[02:48] <jdong> crimsun: could you sponsor  http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff?
[02:48] <ajmitch> right, I just grabbed the source for that & am rebuilding it
[02:48] <jdong> crimsun: it's a git-picked upstream patch for fixing a typo that breaks some OpenGL call
[03:17] <TheMuso> c
[03:17] <TheMuso> gah
[04:47] <jdong> throat*
[04:48] <jdong> We do not know this panel's window ID, and we never will.
[04:48] <jdong> We do not know its parent window or its process ID.
[04:48] <jdong> We do not know when it was created, or precisely how and when it died
[04:49] <jdong> We do not know where on the video buffer it had made its home, or when it left for Fujitsu's monitor
[04:49] <jdong> we do not know its age, or its circumstances -- whether it was from the hard disk or kernel cache.
[04:50] <jdong> it's all of them, it's none of us, blah blah, there is faith enough for all of us.
[04:50] <jdong> amen.
[04:51] <Fujitsu> ...
[04:51] <jdong> lol wow I'm nerdy....
[05:37] <bddebian> :-)
[05:53] <Fujitsu> I was pondering posting some similar points (ie. universe is controlled by MOTU, not Kubuntu), but decided not to fan the flames.
[05:54] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: so I did it instead? :(
[05:54] <LaserJock> \o/ I'm getting LP bugmail again!
[05:55] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Without access to their bugs?
[05:55] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: But it was a very well written email.
[05:56] <LaserJock> too long
[05:56] <LaserJock> apparently my LP issue was a false alarm
[05:56] <LaserJock> I was just getting email when a bug was marked private, but not after
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:57] <LaserJock> and the test bug I tried to see if I could view private bugs had ~launchpad-beta-testers subscribed
[05:57] <LaserJock> so it was a bad one to try ;-)
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[05:58] <Fujitsu> Private bugs seem to do some strange things.
[05:58] <Fujitsu> Like, I've been getting bugmail from a private bug, but can't see it.
[05:58] <jdong> private bugs aren't good....
[05:58] <jdong> they make shampoo for that.
[05:59] <jdong> and I think it falls under the TMI category for this channel....
[05:59] <jdong> LMAO
[05:59] <Fujitsu> I think so.
[06:00] <Fujitsu> Hey white.
[06:00] <LaserJock> hmm, ok so I wonder what "Members who add multiple accounts will be handled in the following manner. First duplicate account, the member will receive an infraction. Second duplicate account, the member will be banned." means?
[06:00] <white> somebody here from the kubuntu source wants to do me a favour? :)
[06:00] <white> s/source/task/
[06:01] <Fujitsu> white: What makes it Kubuntu-specific?
[06:01] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Isn't it pretty obvious what it means?
[06:01] <white> kicking a friend of mine who is kde developer, but waits with releasing his software :(
[06:02] <white> Fujitsu: I reckon the "kde" part in it :)
[06:02] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, that's from the Forum Council meeting? so people aren't allowed to have more than 1 account?
[06:03] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Looks that way.
[06:03] <LaserJock> so much for the stealth accounts
[06:04] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:04] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:04] <LaserJock> bye bddebian
[06:05] <Fujitsu> Night bddebian.
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> DOes anyone remember the excuse used for Snort in Debian?
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> something like "Well the rules aren't GPL any more" so we have ass-old snort?
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> (that was what they told me last time; it's a retarded excuse, you can package snort without rules and let users download them, plus I am LOOKING at the download for gpl rules right now..)
[06:15] <jdong> bluefoxicy: apparently official snort rules aren't DFSG?
[06:15] <jdong> bluefoxicy: shall I walk over to RMS's office and ask him? :D
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  I dunno, that's what I was told for why snort seems abandoned; I'm thinking it's probably really just no maintainer.
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> http://www.snort.org/pub-bin/downloads.cgi
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> "The Community Rulesets contain rules submitted by members of the open source community. While these rules are available as is, the VRT performs basic tests to ensure that new rules will not break Snort. These rules are distributed under the GPL and are freely available to all open source Snort users."
[06:20] <jdong> debianism.
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> I can't find any docs on why it's dead in debian
[06:22] <bluefoxicy> I'd go ask them but last time I went in there the place was full of assholes and they kicked me out (hint:  If you walk in, ask a simple question, and people don't bother to probe or explain but rather start laughing in all caps at you and then ban you for logging onto IRC as root, you're probably surrounded by assholes)
[06:23] <bluefoxicy> I think that was what... 4 or 5 years ago, probably when I first switched off mandrake
[06:57] <jdong> EUREKA!!! THE TWO POTENTIAL EXPRESSIONS ARE EQUIVALENT
[07:55] <Lutin> jdong: do you think backporting imagezoom from feisty would be ok for bug #88581 ? (if the user confirms the bug in edgy)
[07:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88581 in imagezoom "mozilla-imagezoom is not compatible with Firefox 2.0.0.x" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88581
[07:57] <Lathiat> win 21
[08:32] <Kagou> hi
[08:58] <trycyt> Why do I get this message when running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ?
[08:58] <trycyt> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[09:22] <imbrandon> you are trying to sign ( and build ) a package that has a key in the changelog that you dont have access to ( e.g. not yours )
[09:28] <dholbach> good morning
[09:30] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[09:31] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[09:31] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:31] <imbrandon> ello Hobbsee
[09:31] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach, Hobbsee, imbrandon.
[09:32] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach, imbrandon and Fujitsu
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hrm, didnt appear to stir up too much trouble on the ML.
[09:36] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Probably other people are hiding.
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: quite probably
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dunno why though, 'im not that scary.  hopefully they're thinking before they reply
[09:37] <imbrandon> i havent seen your post
[09:37] <imbrandon> i think my procmail might be eating some or something
[09:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: lists.u.c has archives
[09:38] <Hobbsee> dodgy procmail...
[09:38] <imbrandon> whats the subject ?
[09:38] <imbrandon> i'll grep
[09:39] <Hobbsee> kde4 stuff
[09:39] <imbrandon> ohh yea i seen that
[09:47] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, Fujitsu , you should both REALLY listen to this google talk ( about 4 minutes in ) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645
[09:47] <imbrandon> it pertains to that thread ALOT
[09:48] <imbrandon> ( and many others )
[09:48] <imbrandon> ( and yes you can fast forward )
[09:49] <imbrandon> bookmark it later then Fujitsu , you'll like it
[09:50] <Fujitsu> I believe I saw that referenced elsewhere a couple of days back.
[09:50] <StevenK> imbrandon: So where did intrepid go?
[09:50] <imbrandon> no where, should be there, /me looks
[09:51] <imbrandon> shit
[09:51] <imbrandon> probably asleep
[09:52] <imbrandon> i forgot to comment out lid.sh /me groans
[09:52] <StevenK> This is what happens when you use a laptop, you goose. :-P
[09:52] <imbrandon> yea i will replace it someday
[09:53] <ajmitch> a "compact rack unit"
[09:53] <imbrandon> lemme get someone to reset it, one sec
[09:54] <TheMuso> haha
[09:55] <TheMuso> Evening all btw.
[09:55] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[09:56] <Fujitsu> Hi TheMuso
[10:00] <imbrandon> gah found out whats wrong with intrepid, jeremy ( at work ) is fixing, should be up in moments StevenK
[10:01] <imbrandon> btw aurora and intrepid have the new faster pbuilders on them ( i havent upgraded sparky yet )
[10:03] <imbrandon> yay \0/
[10:03] <Fujitsu> dholbach: Yay :)
[10:03] <Hobbsee> hooray
[10:13] <imbrandon> StevenK, tis up
[10:24] <gpocentek> good morning Universe
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hi mainmain
[10:24] <Hobbsee> er, main
[10:24] <Lutin> 'morning gpocentek
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Hi gpocentek.
[10:26] <gpocentek> hi Hobbsee, hi Fujitsu, salut Lutin ;)
[10:27] <man-di> wer vin ich
[10:27] <man-di> aarks
[10:28] <Fujitsu> Er, hi man-di.
[10:29] <man-di> hi
[10:32] <man-di> Can someone enligthen me how merges with Debian are generelly done? Just upload the the package from Debian somewhere to Ubuntu?
[10:33] <TheMuso> man-di: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging
[10:34] <imbrandon> that really wouldent be a merge, that would be a sync ;)
[10:34] <TheMuso> man-di: man-di and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing
[10:34] <man-di> thx
[10:40] <imbrandon> man its great to see all the Ubuntu choices on the Dell poll, 80% of the /. crowd went with ubuntu
[10:40] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Unsurprising, really.
[10:40] <Fujitsu> Ubuntu > *
[10:41] <imbrandon> it is suprising actualy if you have been arround gnu/linux for any length of time, up untill 2 years ago it would have been split nearly even with 5 diffrent ones, not 80% one and 30% otherrs
[10:42] <man-di> so, syncing java stuff should not be so hard I think
[10:42] <imbrandon> man-di, as long as there isnt any ubuntu specific changes ( or ones that have been incorperated upstream )
[10:42] <imbrandon> otherwise it still needs to be a merge
[10:42] <man-di> imbrandon: right
[10:43] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: But then Ubuntu came along. Ubuntu changed that.
[10:43] <man-di> imbrandon: in case of diffs we normally try to create a generic source that just builds different, see eclipse
[11:06] <imbrandon> hrm crimsun ( or any member of motu-sru ) can i sponsor my own upload to -proposed ?
[11:07] <StevenK> From what I recall.
[11:07] <imbrandon> w.r.t. malone bug #92192
[11:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92192 in mod-mono "[SRU]  libapache2-mod-mono uninstallable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92192
[11:07] <StevenK> mod-mono is supposed to be broken. Matches Microsoft.
[11:07] <imbrandon> lol
[11:08] <imbrandon> i have it fixed on my installation but i would like to fix it for everyone ;)
[11:10] <imbrandon> shit i did the diff backwords
[11:10] <imbrandon> oh well
[11:13] <imbrandon> StevenK, are you pretty sure about that, i hate to upload and get yelled at , hehe
[11:13] <imbrandon> StevenK, what on earth for ?
[11:13] <imbrandon> remote x ? heh
[11:13] <StevenK> Gnome is busticated anyway.
[11:13] <StevenK> imbrandon: about-window needs a -desktop package
[11:14] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:17] <StevenK> "... so gnome 2.18 is installable on powerpc and amd64 again"
[11:17] <StevenK> Bugger!
[11:17] <imbrandon> heh
[11:18] <dholbach> ???
[11:19] <imbrandon> dholbach, can i sponsor my own upload to -proposed ?
[11:19] <dholbach> StevenK: there are some things that did not build, so an upgrade on those archs does not upgrade everything atm
[11:19] <dholbach> imbrandon: yes, if you're confident in it and have triple checked it
[11:20] <imbrandon> yes i have, infact i have it inuse on a productin box
[11:20] <imbrandon> sooo ;)
[11:20] <imbrandon> its justa  simple rebuild ( ala bug 92192 )
[11:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92192 in mod-mono "[SRU]  libapache2-mod-mono uninstallable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92192
[11:20] <dholbach> k
[11:24] <dholbach> hi proppy
[11:27] <imbrandon> dholbach, ok  mod-mono_1.1.17-3build1~proposed1 uploaded to edgy-proposed, do i need to poke an archive admin to check the saneness of the versioning as per the SRU page ?
[11:27] <imbrandon> or .... ( sorry i havent done many sru's yet )
[11:27] <imbrandon> even though i helped write the darned doc ;)
[11:31] <dholbach> me neither
[11:32] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU should be easier now
[11:46] <imbrandon> heh, leaste its getting some use StevenK ;)
[11:46] <StevenK> Heh
[11:47] <StevenK> intrepid needs to be faster. I could have set up two -desktop packages on my amd64 by now. :-P
[11:48] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:49] <imbrandon> someday they will all be speed demons
[11:50] <StevenK> Canonical has two for ppc build daemons. :-)
[11:50] <imbrandon> yea
[11:50] <imbrandon> benc was telling me about them in cali
[11:50] <imbrandon> i was drooling
[11:51] <imbrandon> a fast arm buildd would be cool too, for nokia stuff
[11:52] <StevenK> Fast ARMs don't exist. :-P
[11:52] <imbrandon> i have a 200mhz mipsel too but i am hesitant to put it in the rack as everythgin would have to be done over nfs
[11:52] <imbrandon> as it only has 16mb space
[11:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:53] <imbrandon> i heard about soem desktop class arm boxen
[11:53] <imbrandon> but never seen one myself
[12:01] <imbrandon> hum looks like the fastest arm desktop i can find in google is a 600mhz intel ARM one
[12:02] <imbrandon> http://www.embeddedsys.com/subpages/products/armxscalecomputer.shtml
[01:21] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: I got your email, and I will look at it tomorrow, as I am about to head to bed.
[01:31] <danohuiginn> cool. Thanks, TheMuso. No hurry, and good night
[01:37] <shawarma> bmm: How far have you come? Do you have a package yet or just getting started?
[01:37] <bmm> shawarma: I have a package, but now I'm getting to the tedious part: getting all the copyright names corret, writing a missing manual page etc.
[01:38] <shawarma> bmm: right. You can upload it to revu if you want to get pointers on where to go from there. You can also just upload it anyway to show that you're working in it.
[01:38] <shawarma> Hmm.. How does this bot thing work?
[01:38] <shawarma> !revu
[01:38] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[01:38] <shawarma> Yay!
[01:38] <shawarma> bmm: ^^
[01:39] <bmm> Ok, so no real ITP or anything to close in the first ChangeLog entry :-D
[01:39] <bmm> I read about REVU already, also joined the contributers to motu etc.
[01:40] <bmm> Now I just need to sign, do the copyright, the simple manual and then upload.
[01:40] <bmm> shawarma: thanks for the help
[01:40] <shawarma> Pretty much.
[01:40] <shawarma> bmm: No problem.
[01:40] <shawarma> bmm: What was the package again?
[01:47] <bmm> shawarma: iolanguage, the io language interperter ( http://www.iolanguage.com )
[01:49] <shawarma> bmm: Ok.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you around?
[02:17] <shawarma> I'm looking at the beryl wiki and it says to put "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" in my xorg.conf. I haven't done that and beryl seems to work anyway. Do any of you know what it's supposed to do?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> shawarma: ask in #beryl
[02:17] <shawarma> Tried it.
[02:18] <shawarma> No luck.
[02:18] <shawarma> twice, even.
[02:18] <imbrandon> it just speeds up the rendering on some cards
[02:18] <imbrandon> if it works well without it dont worry
[02:19] <shawarma> Well, if it could make it even smoother that would be cool.
[03:04] <Amaranth> shawarma: XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps kills performance when you aren't using compiz/beryl but without it you get rendering bugs
[03:04] <Amaranth> like windows that only have a background, no text or widgets
[03:04] <Amaranth> XAA must die
[03:09] <shawarma> Amaranth: Oh! I've seen this happen loads of times.
[03:10] <shawarma> Amaranth: I just thought i was a bug somewhere.
[03:11] <dholbach> Hobbsee: now
[03:12] <Adri2000> hmm, I uploaded freesci 0.3.5-4ubuntu2 (rebuild) and forgot to change the maintainer, dpkg said nothing, strange
[03:17] <geser> Adri2000: not even a warning?
[03:17] <geser> have you set DEBEMAIL to your ubuntu email address?
[03:18] <Adri2000> nope, I use my gmail address
[03:18] <Adri2000> but you're right, there were two warnings
[03:19] <Adri2000> it used to fail if the maintainer field was not set to an @ubuntu address, did that change recently?
[03:19] <geser> dpkg-source only aborts now when DEBEMAIL contains an ubuntu email address
[03:20] <Adri2000> ah ok, then I need to be careful now
[03:20] <geser>  * scripts/dpkg-source.pl: Only fail to build the source package if $DEBEMAIL contains 'ubuntu'. If not, only print a warning.
[03:20] <geser> or simply set DEBEMAIL to your ubuntu email :)
[03:21] <Adri2000> right
[03:22] <Amaranth> so, hey, anyone know what the story is with gnome-compiz-manager?
[03:22] <Amaranth> lost in NEW for almost a month
[03:23] <Amaranth> would have expected a rejection or acceptance by now :)
[03:31] <geser> Amaranth: ask the archive admins
[03:38] <Amaranth> ah, i see
[03:39] <Amaranth> need people to review and upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4505
[03:39] <Amaranth> one in NEW has license problems
[03:39] <Amaranth> :)
[05:18] <jussi01> Hei all, Im testing the usplash package for ubuntustudio, and its giving me a dependency error - see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10360/ am I doing something wrong, or is something actually wrong?
[05:24] <pochu> jussi01: the build-dependens seems to be wrong... try to change usplash-dev with libusplash-dev
[05:25] <jussi01> pochu, Im a little on the new side, whats the proceedure to do that?
[05:25] <geser> edit debian/control
[05:25] <pochu> jussi01: are you building the package in a pbuilder, right?
[05:25] <pochu> jussi01: ^
[05:26] <jussi01> pochu, yeah in pbuilder - Ill have a look at debian/control
[05:26] <pochu> jussi01: search the line "Build-depends"
[05:26] <jussi01> ok, thanks - just checking it now...
[05:31] <jussi01> thanks pochu, geser that sorted the problem
[05:31] <pochu> jussi01: which ubuntu version are u using?
[05:32] <jussi01> pochu, feisty
[05:33] <pochu> jussi01: then you can tell that to the ubuntustudio packagers (or whoever have done that package)
[05:33] <jussi01> pochu, yes I will do,
[06:07] <jussi01> could someone email e a copy of their  .pbuilderrc and pbuilder/hook.d/D70results files? I seem to have mine configurd wrong..
[06:07] <jussi01> jussi01 at gmail.com
[06:27] <bmm> Is it possible to place comments in the control file? I have some package paragraphs in my control, which I want to temporarily disable because of licensing problems.
[06:27] <bmm> I wouls also be ok if it isn't a problem to have to many package paragraphs in your control file.
[06:29] <bmm> The policy doesn't state any syntax for comments in control files ( http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html ) as far as I can see. Any other places it might be described?
[06:30] <bmm> I'll just move the paragraphs to another file and store them there then.
[06:42] <ogra> bmm, thats what the changelog is for ... just make a more detailed note in there
 i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you?
[06:43] <dholbach> wolferine: please... write a mail, but don't keep the conversation on multiple channels
[07:08] <bmm> ogra: thanks
[07:17] <bddebian> Heya gang
[07:26] <jussi01> hei all, I am having a little trouble with pbuilder. pdebuild --use-pdebuild-internal works perfectly, but if I do pdebuild, I get errors - am I doing something wrong?
[07:28] <geser> Hi bddebian
[07:29] <bddebian> Heya geser
[07:37] <trycyt> Can update-alternatives be used to manage symlinks in /usr/lib/cups/backend ?
[08:20] <imbrandon> cruft dholbach are you a moderator on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[08:21] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you need something let through?
[08:21] <imbrandon> i sent a sru testing request to the list but from the wrong address, can you poke it through please ?
[08:21] <imbrandon> yea ajmitch
[08:21] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:22] <ajmitch> got it
[08:22] <imbrandon> cool, thanks
[08:22] <ajmitch> hm, dholbach must have let it through
[08:22] <imbrandon> hum
[08:23] <ajmitch> nothing in the admin queue anyway
[08:23] <imbrandon> ahh got it
[08:23] <imbrandon> it came though
[08:23] <imbrandon> ( but my procmal marked it as bugmail , arg )
[08:23] <dholbach> good night everybody - see you tomorrow
[08:24] <imbrandon> gnight dholbach
[08:24] <dholbach> night imbrandon
[08:24] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[08:24] <dholbach> night ajmitch
[08:24] <pochu> night dholbach
[08:24] <dholbach> night pochu
[08:29] <ajmitch> oh well, nothing we can do about it now
[08:30] <ajmitch> stop that
[08:42] <Ursinha> hahahahahahah
[08:48] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[08:54] <imbrandon> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001428.html   <-- two testers that use apache2 please
[08:56] <jussi01> hei motu's Ive just gotten an error when updating feisty - I will file a bug report, but just thoght to check here if some one has seen it, and if it is just only a setup prob on my machine. the error is: E: cupsys: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[08:56] <geser> jussi01: see bug #92205
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92205
[08:58] <jussi01> geser, fixed? I just did the update...
[08:58] <Lamego> its probably not yet on your mirror
[08:58] <geser> it may some time till it appears on all mirrors
[08:59] <jussi01> ok, thanks
[09:15] <imbrandon> _MMA_, do you rember carls last name ?
[09:15] <imbrandon> ( from system76.com )
[09:16] <Smoke2k> could you help me imbrandon
[09:16] <imbrandon> i can try, whats up?
[09:18] <Slant> Could a kind-hearted MOTU review LP #63096 for inclusion?
[09:18] <TheMuso> bug 63096
[09:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63096 in slab "Package missing control-center executable" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63096
[09:18] <jdong> that's slab
[09:18] <jdong> main
[09:19] <imbrandon> i'm core too so i can look, but give me just a few minutes, i need to make a call before the close of business today
[09:19] <Smoke2k> thanks man
[09:19] <Smoke2k> ok here is the deal
[09:19] <TheMuso> jdong: You sure?
[09:20] <Smoke2k> i am trying to partition with ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-powerpc
[09:20] <jdong> TheMuso: wait..... not totally.....
[09:20] <jdong> TheMuso: ok, slap me :D
[09:20] <imbrandon> Smoke2k, ok ....
[09:20] <Smoke2k> i got external 60 gig usb drive
[09:20] <Smoke2k> it won't auto partition right for me
[09:20] <Smoke2k> and when i try to set the 3 partitions it gives me trouble
[09:20] <TheMuso> imbrandon: DO you have it covered?
[09:20] <Smoke2k> i know i need one ext primary
[09:20] <Smoke2k> i need one for bootstrap
[09:20] <Smoke2k> and one for swap
[09:20] <Slant> jdong: Slab isn't main. It's universe.
[09:21] <imbrandon> TheMuso, no i ahvent looked yet
[09:21] <jdong> Slant: yeah, sorry, just realized after saying it :)
[09:21] <Smoke2k> but i must not be labeling these right with function or something on partitioning program
[09:21] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Ok, I'll have a look.
[09:21] <Smoke2k> i don't know what the deal is
[09:21] <Smoke2k> it won't finish partition for install
[09:21] <Smoke2k> it says overlapping on auto set thing and won't do it right
[09:22] <imbrandon> Smoke2k, this channel isnt really for support, BUT , label have nothing to do with end results, if you are un familiar with it, let it automaticly do it
[09:22] <jdong> imbrandon: I think he's saying he's using auto, and gets an error about overlapping partitioning
[09:23] <Smoke2k> yea i did it doesn't work
[09:23] <imbrandon> right, and i'm by no means an partman expert, probably would be better of in #ubuntu
[09:23] <Smoke2k> neither with guided partitioning either
[09:23] <Smoke2k> will it auto install yaboot to it...i don't think so but it still doesn't work
[09:23] <imbrandon> yes it will automaticly do your yaboot stuff
[09:23] <Smoke2k> yea i know it installs yaboot to it but i am still having problems
[09:23] <imbrandon> if you choose auto
[09:24] <Smoke2k> i have got into every channel related to ubuntu that is chatting
[09:24] <Smoke2k> so far no one can help
[09:24] <Smoke2k> 'they actually said you could
[09:24] <TheMuso> Slant: Have you tested that this patch works?
[09:24] <Smoke2k> i really wish i could just call someone on phone and follow through with this partitiong
[09:24] <imbrandon> Smoke2k, yes but this isnt really a support channel, and without specifics i cant, even then i doubt __I__ can help as i'm not a partman expert
[09:25] <Smoke2k> auto should do it ...it doesn't make sense it cann't auto partitiong
[09:25] <Smoke2k> -g
[09:25] <TheMuso> Slant: And made sure that the package builds ok?
[09:25] <Smoke2k> i have never had problem partitioning anything
[09:25] <Slant> TheMuso: Yyup.
[09:25] <Smoke2k> ok
[09:25] <Slant> TheMuso: I'm running it right now.
[09:25] <imbrandon> Smoke2k, try booting the cd from scriatch and choose auto BEFORE anything else, if that dosent work, choose the desktop cd not the alternate
[09:26] <TheMuso> Slant: Ok.
[09:26] <Slant> TheMuso: apt-get source gnome-main-menu && cd slab... && patch -p1 -i <whereever>/use_gnomecc.patch should have it all prepped and ready with changelog and everything.
[09:27] <TheMuso> Slant: Yeah I know. Could you please do it again, this time changing the maintainer field as outlined at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField?
[09:28] <Slant> TheMuso: Ok.
[09:29] <TheMuso> Slant: Thanks.
[09:35] <Slant> TheMuso: That page implies there is a script to automate this, but I can't find it off the linked page.
[09:35] <Slant> TheMuso: Is doing it manually Good Enough?
[09:35] <TheMuso> Slant: Yes.
[09:37] <Slant> TheMuso: Should I be appending the sane XSBC-Original to the Debian uploader field too? (or stripping it, or leaving it?)
[09:37] <TheMuso> Uploaders doesn't matter I don't think.
[09:38] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, wanan test / poke https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/mod-mono/+bug/92192 so i can get one of my "works for me"
[09:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92192 in mod-mono "[SRU]  libapache2-mod-mono uninstallable" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:40] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Sure, once I've recovered from the shock of the usefulness of one particular new beta feature.
[09:40] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, hehe
[09:40] <imbrandon> i just signed up for beta lp today
[09:41] <Fujitsu> What do you think of it?
[09:42] <imbrandon> matt revell just sent me an email asking that i not take screenshots etc, then i'll get added to the team
[09:42] <imbrandon> so i'm 50% there
[09:42] <Slant> TheMuso: New patch up at bug 63096.
[09:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63096 in slab "Package missing control-center executable" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63096
[09:43] <TheMuso> Slant: Thanks.
[09:44] <TheMuso> Guys, I am not up on .desktop files, but does an icon have to be referenced by absolute path as well as extension?
[09:44] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Carl J Richell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:45] <Slant> TheMuso: "If the name is not an absolute path, the algorithm described in the Icon Theme Specification will be used to locate the icon."
[09:45] <imbrandon> _MMA_, rockin thanks, gonna call him now ;)
[09:45] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: You're meant to give a name without a path or extension.
[09:46] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Thanks. Just wasn't entirely sure.
[09:46] <TheMuso> Is there a document somewhere that outlines .desktop files?
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Somewhere on freedesktop.org
[09:46] <Fujitsu> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[09:47] <TheMuso> ok thanks.
[09:47] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: It hasn't been accepted into edgy-proposed yet, so I can't properly test it.
[09:48] <imbrandon> hrm its been accepted, by Mithrandar , just not built
[09:48] <imbrandon> ;(
[09:49] <Lamego> TheMuso, the full path is not required if the icon is on one of the standard dirs
[09:50] <TheMuso> Lamego: Thanks.
[09:50] <Lamego> like, the icon is expected to be on /usr/share/pixmaps
[09:54] <TheMuso> Yeah I have read about that.
[09:55] <Fujitsu> And if the icon isn't in one of those directories, it's in the wrong place.
[10:04] <siretart> imbrandon: you pinged me yesterday?
[10:04] <imbrandon> siretart, umm yea one sec
[10:05] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[10:05] <LaserJock> bddebian: are you a LP beta tester?
[10:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: Nah, I'm nobody :'-(
[10:05] <LaserJock> bddebian: excellent :-)
[10:05] <LaserJock> bddebian: I need a favor
[10:05] <bddebian> Uh oh
[10:05] <jussi01> hehe
[10:07] <LaserJock> bddebian:  can you try going to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug-advanced?field.tags=universe-request
[10:08] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Have you seen the new beta feature?
[10:08] <Fujitsu> You can search for a bug contact's bug, finalyl
[10:08] <Fujitsu> *finally
[10:08] <Fujitsu> So we can get a proper list of science bugs.
[10:08] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: saw something about that in the bug email
[10:09] <LaserJock> oh, I didn't make the connection there, excellent news
[10:09] <TheMuso> Slant: Just doing a test build of the package now.
[10:09] <bddebian> LaserJock: OK, I get a create a new bug window, now what? :)
[10:10] <LaserJock> bddebian: does i have anything in the tags field?
[10:10] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Does for me.
[10:10] <LaserJock> for Beta it should
[10:10] <LaserJock> I"m just not clear on what happens for non-Beta
[10:11] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: It's not been deployed to production, AFAIK. It might be on edge.
[10:11] <bddebian> LaserJock: Where is the tags feild? :)
[10:11] <Fujitsu> bddebian: I'll take that as a no, then :)
[10:12] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, I just wanted to see what'd do (OOPS or not)
[10:26] <bddebian> Well they might be there, I'm old.  Maybe I'm blind?? :-)
[10:28] <siretart> Fujitsu: how?
[10:28] <Fujitsu> siretart: On the advanced bug search page, but only on beta.
[10:28] <Fujitsu> Or maybe edge too, I'm not sure.
[10:29] <Fujitsu> I take it that it's not on edge, as edge is down.
[10:30] <siretart> is it just me or is lp terribly slow ?
[10:30] <siretart> atm?
[10:31] <Fujitsu> I've always found it terribly slow.
[10:31] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: It seems ok in elinks.
[10:31] <TheMuso> Can be a little slow at times.
[10:31] <siretart> Fujitsu: oh,  nice. that's really useful!
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Yay for 20-second page loads.
[10:32] <Fujitsu> siretart: Yup, it was added a few hours ago.
[10:32] <Fujitsu> I've been wanting such a feature for many months now.
[10:44] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:44] <Fujitsu> Hey sistpoty.
[10:44] <sistpoty> hi Fujitsu
[10:51] <pochu> heya
[10:53] <siretart> hey sistpoty
[10:53] <sistpoty> hi siretart, how are you?
[10:53] <sistpoty> hi pochu
[10:53] <siretart> sistpoty: fine, and you?
[10:53] <sistpoty> siretart: well, I'm really behind with my thesis, but apart from that I'm fine
[10:54] <siretart> :)
[10:54] <sistpoty> siretart: btw.: I'll probably stay at university... Volkmar kinda promised me that I could do a "Dissertation" at immd3 :)
[10:54] <siretart> sistpoty: w000t! :)
[10:55] <sistpoty> :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[10:55] <sistpoty> now I only need to hand in my thesis in time (26. april is deadline)
[10:55] <siretart> sistpoty: but isn't immd3 to be merged with immd12?
[10:55] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:55] <ajmitch> hah
[10:55] <sistpoty> siretart: none that I know of
[10:55] <ajmitch> we should ban sistpoty from #u-motu for a few weeks :)
[10:56] <sistpoty> siretart: actually immd3 will probably get a new prof... at least there are two candidates of what I've heard so far
[10:56] <siretart> hey, you didn't ban me that time!
[10:56] <sistpoty> hehe ajmitch
[10:56] <ajmitch> siretart: sorry :(
[10:56] <siretart> sistpoty: maybe I'm confusing things
[10:56] <siretart> ajmitch: ;)
[10:56] <sistpoty> ajmitch: maybe you should better ban me from mailing lists :P
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Get the CC to banish you from the community for a while.
[10:58] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:06] <TheMuso> Slant: Uploaded, bug marked as fix committed. Please set to fix released once it has successfully built. You can go to http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/slab to to find out. Thanks.
[11:09] <Slant> TheMuso: Thanks!
[11:12] <siretart> good night, folks!
[11:13] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[11:17] <pochu> night!


 @Phil Linux, Great. Looks like the docs are maintained here: https://github.com/HandBrake/HandBrake-docs
 fair enough
[09:56] <nilsdacke81> Hello everyone, I just decided to give Linux a tray, after getting fed  up with intrusiveness of Win 10. I decided for Kubuntu as my PC is  relatively old. Dual-boot installation went smoothly, but I have a few  issues to solve. First I want to mount my NTFS logical drives permanently. Do I have to edit the fstab manually, or is there an automated solution for this?
[09:56] <nilsdacke81> *try
[10:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:17] <alekksander> morning
[10:19] <alekksander> how is Your *buntu doing this fine morning?
[10:21] <BluesKaj> well, it's working :-)
[10:27] <alekksander> by the way, are there any reasons to be worried about future of ubuntu?
[10:28] <BluesKaj> none that I've heard about
[10:29] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is supported separately from ubuntu, but still uses the core system
[10:30] <BluesKaj> !blue systems
[10:30] <BluesKaj> hmm, there used to be an info
[10:31] <BluesKaj> alekksander, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems
[10:33] <BluesKaj> that wiki is a bit outdated
[10:41] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: bluesystems has no involvement with Kubuntu
[10:41] <acheronuk> not any more...
[10:42] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, that's news , since when ?
[10:43] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: since Harald and Johnathan went I guess
[10:46] <BluesKaj> they left blue systems ...din't know that
[10:49] <BluesKaj> haven't seen JR here in ages
[10:49] <BluesKaj> or at devel
[10:50] <BluesKaj> he's there, but not active
[10:52] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: no, since they left Kubuntu
[10:53] <BluesKaj> that's a bummer that they left kubuntu
[10:54]  * acheronuk moves to offtopic
[13:55] <BluesKaj> !pm him-cesjf
[13:55] <BluesKaj> !pm | him-cesjf
[14:28] <hateball> !ask
[14:37] <hateball> I think a new install uses a swap-file rather than a partition, does it not?
[14:37] <hateball> I havent done a clean install in very long
[14:38] <hateball> Артур, if you run "swapon -s" where does it say your swap is?
[14:39] <hateball> Anyhow, as long as you dont need to 2GB for storage, as well have a lot of RAM, it is probably good to have a little swap space in case you run out of RAM. Because otherwise your system might crash entirely
[16:31] <phoenixz> Hi there, how can I enable CTRL-INS in yakuake in Kubuntu 18.04? Konsole allows me to configure the shortcut for copy to clipboard, yakuake doesn't. The only alternative I have is CTRL-SHIFT-C which doesn't work for me since I've done CTRL-INS for the past 20 years and now suddenly I'm without..  I copy/past in yakuake at least once every 5 minutes, so this is a rather big dealbreaker for me :( Is there perhaps some config file or so that allows
[16:31] <phoenixz> me to configure this correctly?
[16:32] <jaybeers> is there a "proper Kubuntu way" to configure multiple displays on an Nvidia card other than running the Nvidia utility itself?  I've got 4 displays connected (3 DisplayPort and one DVI-D) and only one of them is showing up in the Displays control panel (the DVI-D one).
[16:32] <jaybeers> I mean, I don't mind running the upstream utility, just want to make sure I'm not missing something
[18:19] <phoenixz> jaybeers: system settings > display and monitor
[18:53] <jaybeers> phoenixz: appreciate the thought, but as I said the other three displays aren't showing up there
[18:53] <jaybeers> but, it looks to be a driver issue since I ran `nvidia-settings` and they don't show up there either :)
[18:55] <phoenixz> jaybeers: Yeah, good luck with that.. I have a tripple monitor with nvidia card setup, and once driver works well, its all easy.. If the driver doesn't, then you're pretty much screwed.. You could try the nouveau driver but that would be a very long shot. Simple truth is that NVidia support for Linux is still abysmal. Hope yo ucan get an ATI video card, still.
[18:55] <jaybeers> next step is to try the PPA and see if the latest driver version (Kubuntu's version isn't the latest) resolves the issue
[18:56] <jaybeers> I would love to support AMD in their ostensible new world of open-source drivers, but every time I've tried one of their cards it turns into a giant PITA and the performance is terrible
[18:57] <jaybeers> I don't like Nvidia's binary blobs any more than anyone else but they do work and they do give good performance.  Well, I guess I should say they always have just worked until today hehe
[18:58] <jaybeers> speaking of being screwed, I'm also a Yakuake user and I looked into your issue earlier...unfortunately I couldn't find a solution.  Best workaround I could suggest is use copy-on-select but that doesn't address your original point of going against 20 years of muscle memory :D
[19:00] <phoenixz> jaybeers: I
[19:02] <phoenixz> jaybeers: I'm going absolutely apeshit here... I've been at it for 2 weeks now and I still use CTRL-INS every single time.. Even if I tell myself, "Now use CTRL-SHIFT-C" (which is a PITA to do with one hand), I still use CTRL-INS.. It almost looks like it is just blocked out or somehting.. Konsole can do it, yakuake just... can't, for some reason
[19:02] <jaybeers> yeah, there are several features of Konsole that didn't make it to Yakuake
[19:03] <jaybeers> window splitting, for example, which is the one I miss the most :)
[19:03] <phoenixz> Seriously, this might be a dealbreaker for me.. I want to use kubuntu but if I cannot use yakuake, and use it in a normal way, I'll be out
[19:03] <jaybeers> wait
[19:03] <phoenixz> jaybeers: Window splitting is there
[19:03] <jaybeers> omg this newer version of Yakuake has that
[19:03] <phoenixz> CTRL ( and CTRL )
[19:03] <phoenixz> That, honestly, has been htere for the past... years, I believe..
[19:03] <jaybeers> yeah, I was on the previous LTS before
[19:04] <jaybeers> whenever I ran apt-get, dust would shoot out of the USB ports
[19:04] <phoenixz> If you're interrested, I have a yakuake startup script that sets up yakuake with a whole bunch of tabs and window splits
[19:04] <phoenixz> I have had window splitting since.. like  kubuntu 14 or something IIRC
[19:05] <jaybeers> huh.  Well, in any case, it's in there now.  Nice!  Thanks for the offer, but splitting on startup isn't really my use case...I just like to do it sometimes on demand when I want a manpage open while I'm building a command line
[19:06] <jaybeers> have you tried guake?  It's similar to yakuake...I'm not sure if the g is for GTK or GNOME though, so it might try to pull in the GNOME mothership as dependencies
[19:06] <jaybeers> just thinking it might have a redefinable paste key
[19:06] <phoenixz> I basically have yakuake configured to have a whole bunch of tabs and splits that start up right away doing monitoring stuff, top, dstat, mysql console, my project directories, that sort of stuff
[19:07] <phoenixz> jaybeers: Yeah, but then I'll have to run the gnome stuff as well.. There is a reason I'm on KDE :)
[19:07] <phoenixz> And again, a key binding, it cannot be that hard!
[19:08] <jaybeers> yeah, if it's g for GNOME and not GTK then probably not recommended
[20:19] <valorie> jaybeers: it's worthwhile talking to the yakuake people
[20:20] <valorie> I've worked with the lead devel and he's very responsive
[20:20] <valorie> also very busy but what's new
[21:44] <jaybeers> valorie: good to know.  I mean, I got great response...feature got added and I didn't even ask for it (I just silently wanted it real hard)
[21:44] <jaybeers> maybe phoenixz can hit him up over the alternate copy/paste keyboard shortcuts
[21:45] <phoenixz> jaybeers: I'm on the Yakuake IRC channel as well, have asked a couple of times, but so far no response
[21:45] <phoenixz> valorie: Hey, long time no see, but I guess I'm back again
[21:46] <phoenixz> That is, if I can get this @#$ CTRL-INS to work.. It's very frustrating to say the  least :)
[21:47] <phoenixz> Its weird though, there is a short cut for the preferences screen (who would ever use that?) but none for "Find", for example
[21:48] <jaybeers> hmm, here's an idea
[21:48] <jaybeers> maybe set a KDE global shortcut for it?
[21:49] <phoenixz> jaybeers: It is already there
[21:50] <jaybeers> huh
[21:50] <phoenixz> jaybeers: that is the weird thing.. CTRL-INS works everywhere except in Yakuake, and there is no way for me to configure it in there, even though I can do so in Konsole
[21:51] <jaybeers> so, terminal programs are kind of special snowflakes when it comes to input handling, since they have to decide when to send keyboard input through to the terminal and when to catch it for themselves
[21:51] <jaybeers> so I'm guessing it's less a case of "Yakuake doesn't allow binding copy" and more a case of "Yakuake is deliberately ignoring my Ctrl-Ins and sending it through to the terminal".  Which of course doesn't change your practical problem.
[22:12] <phoenixz> jaybeers: yeah, I get a terminal code whenever I press CTRL-INS... But since Konsole does allow binding of CTRL-INS to copy, and konsole.. well, doesn't allow any binding to copy (its simply not there in the list at all, like in konsole) I'd say its a yakuake bug
[22:12] <phoenixz> Going to see if I can leave a bug report
[22:15] <OvermindDL1> So after running adonaxis someone's monitor is stuck in low resolution on their KDE desktop afterwards necessitating a manual resolution change and all the widgets on their secondary monitor have vanished, any idea on how to restore the widgets
[22:27] <phoenixz> jaybeers: valorie: New bug 398775 in yakuake (general) filed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[NOR - normal]: Various keybindings are gone, like copy, find, "jump words in console" (https://bugs.kde.org/398775)
[22:42] <valorie> thanks for filing that, phoenixz
[23:01] <jaybeers> I...am the dumbest person ever
[23:01] <jaybeers> I have resolved my monitor issue!
[23:02] <jaybeers> turns out monitors are much better at displaying images when they're turned on
[23:03] <jaybeers> also, TIL the blue light at the bottom of three of my four screens means it's turned _off_
[23:10] <jaybeers> there is one odd thing though...one of the screens is working, but doesn't seem to be "managed" by the KDE desktop.  Like, the mouse cursor shows up and if I drag a window over to it, it displays exactly what you'd expect.  But it has no wallpaper and if you right-click on the desktop, nothing happens
[23:11] <jaybeers> as it happens, that behaviour is actually fine for my use case since I was just going to drag fullscreen windows to that monitor anyway, but it's interesting that the normal KDE "desktop window" doesn't cover it
[23:35] <phoenixz> jaybeers: Do you happen to have samsung monitors? Those are the worst.. I've had the same issue where the monitors sometimes outright refuse to show image after no-signal, you have to actually unplug the power and replug for them to turn on.. I've had quite a few problems with that
[23:36] <phoenixz> They appear to be on and awaiting signal (sometimes even showing the "no signal" thing, but they will outright refuse to turn on once HDMI signal comes in
[23:39] <jaybeers> hmm...well, we'll see what happens long-term but in this case they were literally turned off
[23:40] <jaybeers> actually, as it happens, they just went into power save so let's see what happens when I wiggle the mouse.  But yes, in point of fact they are Samsungs
[23:41] <jaybeers> looks good so far...<fingers crossed>
[23:41] <jaybeers> they're connected via DisplayPort though, maybe that's better-behaved
[23:48] <pragmaticenigma> oh.. no... displayport tends to be its own animal


[23:47] <VCoolio> Trizicus: right click, properties then click the icon picture or drag and drop your icon on that from file manager
[23:47] <andre_> I can't live like this, its literally making me cry
[23:47] <btakita> Jordan_U: grub2 for efi? wow
[23:47] <NightHawk877> Jordan_U I cannot boot into Ubuntu
[23:47] <rictec> Amigadude, the last icon in games is cut on mine too
[23:47] <BattlePope> vigo: OK.
[23:47] <boscop> ikonia: up to 50%
[23:47] <BattlePope> Which image would you suggest?
[23:47] <ikonia> boscop: in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, do you have a "Driver" line ?
[23:47] <Trizicus> VCoolio: There is no Icon tab when I right click
[23:47] <Flannel> andre_: What's it doing instead?
[23:47] <btakita> Jordan_U: I think I'm going to stick with grub1 for now
[23:47] <suprkltz> Jordan: Where caN i FIND THE STEPS TO GET PAST THE ooO FAULTS FOR EMAILMERGE,...
[23:47] <andre_> Flannel: nothing, just making my cursor blink a little
[23:47] <Skillen> ikonia: Sorry it was losha.
[23:47] <Jordan_U> NightHawk877: Ok, then I will walk you through the steps to do it from the liveCD
[23:47] <Mike_lifeguard> !rtorrent
[23:48] <klabezo> please is there some room in this server for general chat ?
[23:48] <lmentop_> andre_: ctrl+shift+C ?
[23:48] <jpds> !info rtorrent | Mike_lifeguard
[23:48] <ikonia> klabezo: #defocus
[23:48] <boscop> ikonia: no
[23:48] <lstarnes> klabezo: #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus
[23:48] <jpds> ikonia: ##defocus
[23:48] <Trizicus> VCoolio: And when I drag the icon the app tries to open it up
[23:48] <ikonia> boscop: ok - this is worth a try then
[23:48] <Dooms_day> what is the smallest partiton size for netbook remix do you guys recomend for normal use
[23:48]  * jpds ducks.
[23:48] <ikonia> jpds: is it ???
[23:48] <Flannel> andre_: In what? Is something running you're trying to stop?
[23:48] <Jordan_U> NightHawk877: Do you only have one drive in the computer?
[23:48] <btakita> Jordan_U: Until grub2 becomes idiot-proof :-)
[23:48] <andre_> lmentop_: nope, that makes my cursor blink a little differently, but its not breaking.
[23:48] <VCoolio> Trizicus: first properties, then the 'basic' tab
[23:48] <jtan189> is there a better place i should be asking this question perhaps?
[23:48] <klabezo> thank you friends
[23:48] <tc111> Dooms_day: which partition?
[23:48] <andre_> Flannel: yes, ctrl+c should break like it ALWAYS does in every terminal ever.
[23:48] <Flannel> andre_: What are you running?
[23:48] <Amigadude> rictec: cool, at least it's not a problem here :)
[23:48] <Trizicus> oh rofl didn't know clicking on the icon would allow me to change it
[23:48] <andre_> Flannel: 9.10, just upgraded last night.
[23:49] <Trizicus> VCoolio: Thanks rofl
[23:49] <Flannel> andre_: right, but what program?
[23:49] <ikonia> boscop: in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf you need to add a line
[23:49] <NightHawk877> Walk me through it
[23:49] <Flannel> andre_: in irssi, for instance, ctrl-c is what you use to do color stuffs.
[23:49] <tc111> Dooms_day: what type and size of drive?
[23:49] <andre_> Flannel: bash
[23:49] <Dooms_day> because i have windows and ubuntu netbook remix, and i might want to add another linux later,
[23:49] <lstarnes> andre_: check the terminal's keyboard shortcuts
[23:49] <Joeseph> In the Karmic install, does the desktop wallpaper with the space pictures in it automatically change?
[23:49] <rictec> Amigadude, i didnt notice that befoure
[23:49] <thegreyspot> Like I was saying before about how when i open Terminal it doesnt bring it to the front (meaning I cant type right away with out first clickin gon it()
[23:49] <Dooms_day> i have a 160GB HDD and 2 OSes so far
[23:49] <ikonia> boscop: find "Section "Device" in the file
[23:49] <NightHawk877> I'm in karmic if that helps
[23:49] <Sireorion_> plz help me with ltsp in private
[23:49] <Jordan_U> NightHawk877: Do you know if you have only one drive in your computer?
[23:49] <vigo> BattlePope: Just seems like is a bad or corrupted Image somehow, download the LiveCD or the USB and check the Hash.
[23:49] <thegreyspot> I notice it does that for other programs too
[23:49] <VCoolio> Trizicus: no problem; drag and drop your icon on there works too
[23:49] <boscop> ikonia: ok. have it
[23:49] <thegreyspot> Is there some setting i need to hcange?
[23:49] <btakita> Jordan_U: Thank you for your help
[23:49] <Jordan_U> btakita: np
[23:49] <NightHawk877> I have two Sata and one IDE. one of the satas has Windows, but the other has Ubuntu
[23:50] <mrfree> ubuntu9.10 first boot GRUB Error2 (in stage2) any idea???
[23:50] <gonzoism> what is the command to make aptitude or apt-get make a list of everything installed so I can install them all at once with that list ?
[23:50] <ikonia> boscop: ok, do you have "Identifier" in between section and endsection ?
[23:50] <kexman> NathanL: it was directed to anyone who has problems connecting with a broadcom wired adapter :)
[23:50] <Trizicus> VCoolio: Thanks lol is there a location to find all this simple info on the web>?
[23:50] <andre_> lstarnes: there's a shift-ctrl-c = copy shortcut in my terminal, but nothing on ctrl+c
[23:50] <Flannel> !cloning | gonzoism
[23:50] <NightHawk877> The IDE is just storage and has no OS in it
[23:50] <boscop> ikonia: yes. it's "Configured Video Device"
[23:50] <mcnellis> I have a USB Flash drive and when I plug it into my computer the light on it blinks for a moment but the drive never mounts or anything. It works fine in windows though :(
[23:50] <ikonia> boscop: cool, so under that line add the word               Driver [tab] "Intel"
[23:50] <VCoolio> Trizicus: just usual ubuntu howtos I think, this is one of those little tricks you need to have seen once
[23:50] <gonzoism> Flannel, do you know of another way ?  I am only wanting the list. (i didn't save the .debs)
[23:51] <Jordan_U> NightHawk877: Ok, can you run the command "blkid" in a terminal and give the output to me via pastebin?
[23:51] <Flannel> andre_: If you're at a bash prompt, ctrl-c should do nothing.  What's running that you're wanting to stop?
[23:51] <Sireorion_> hello can someone help me with ltsp? plz plz plz
[23:51] <ikonia> boscop: so that should be Driver (no quotes) - hit tab, then "Intel"
[23:51] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | NightHawk877
[23:51] <mcnellis> dmesg doesn't show any activity either
[23:51] <Flannel> gonzoism: The first part gives you the list (in a file) and then the second part is where you can mark them all for install (they don't need to be saved)
[23:51] <ikonia> boscop: so now section "Device" should have 2 options, does that look right to you now ?
[23:51] <Trizicus> VCoolio: Any website that has a list of these tricks lol
[23:51] <lstarnes> Sireorion_: what specifically about ltsp do you need help with?
[23:51] <andre_> Flannel: that's not true, ctrl+c at a bash prompt should give you a new prompt. I'm not trying to kill anything, I've been using ubuntu since hoary, I know how it should work, it changed in 9.10 and its terrible.
[23:51] <boscop> ikonia: yes, but the new line is not aligned with the one above
[23:51] <drake> hi
[23:51] <boscop> ikonia: i.e. the "Intel" part
[23:51] <ikonia> Dooms_day: alignment doesn't matter, don't worry
[23:51] <ikonia> oops
[23:52] <Skillen> Can anyone look at my dmesg output txt file please? The issue I had was when I boot to 9.10 from the GRUB screen I immediately get a blank screen with a flashing white cursor in the top left. I couldn't use pastebinit because it wouldn't write the file. The text file is from recovery mode and is at http://www.datafilehost.com/download-c051021c.html
[23:52] <ikonia> boscop: sorry that was for you
[23:52] <zechs> ikonia: well I got it to display normally again haha. Now if I could just bother you once more for help with my audio. thank you so much by the way for the help
[23:52] <lstarnes> Sireorion_: it is possible that few or no people here knowhow to work with ltsp
[23:52] <ezzieyguywuf> I tried #Openoffice.org but noone in there. How can I import a .csv and have the values read as numbers, not text (with the leading apostrophe)
[23:52] <boscop> ikonia: ok
[23:52] <gonzoism> flannel, there is another way that is way simpler, but I don't think I am going to find it soon enough.  thank you.  also, the command I am thinking of is like 5 words long.
[23:52] <boscop> ikonia: and now?
[23:52] <tc111> Dooms_day: my true 'netbook' has a 4GB SSD which i find is adequate for my jaunty nbr
[23:52] <ikonia> zechs: no problem, I'm not massive on pulse audio to be honest, but I'll try (plus there are some sharp guys in here that are good with pulse)
[23:52]  * Take0n goodnight folks
[23:52] <Flannel> gonzoism: You mean with --get-selections? that's deprecated
[23:52] <ikonia> boscop: restart your X server - lets see if that helps
[23:53] <gonzoism> Flannel, 5 words or 7 words or something.  I don't think it is --get selections.  If I do find it, I'll let you know.  it is very handy.  :)  thanks again.
[23:53] <zechs> ikonia: oh really? who should I ask? or should I generally post the question?
[23:53] <VCoolio> Trizicus: http://www.howtogeek.com/tag/linux/#ubuntu-tips   is something, google for ubuntu tricks
[23:53] <ikonia> just ask in general
[23:53] <boscop> ikonia: how?
[23:53] <Mike_lifeguard> !torrents
[23:53] <pipboy> Can anyone tell me how to manually update samba? The new version is not in the repository yet
[23:53] <ikonia> boscop: reboot is easiest
[23:53] <boscop> ikonia: ok but don't go away please :)
[23:54] <zechs> Would anyone be able to help me fix my audio? After updating to ubnutu 9.10 I lost my audio.
[23:54] <btakita> Jordan_U: Actually, can I select grub1 when installing from the 9.10 cd?
[23:54] <Trizicus> VCoolio: Book marking this lol thanks
[23:54] <Dooms_day> hmm i think ill shrink my UNR  and windows partition, because i still need a prety big shared FAT32 drive for files all 3 oses can get to
[23:54] <ikonia> boscop: going nowhere
[23:54] <Dooms_day> thanks for the thoughts
[23:54] <btakita> Jordan_U: Or should I install 9.04 from the cd and do a dist upgrade?
[23:54] <seth556> hello from orlando
[23:54] <Jordan_U> btakita: neither
[23:54] <Sireorion_> hello can someone help me with ltsp? how do i option-221 "tftp"
[23:54] <rictec> never is hi place
[23:54] <VCoolio> pipboy: either add a repository (recommended) or find a .deb or compile which may be difficult; what version do you need?
[23:54] <genii-around> pipboy: Whatever isn't in a repository needs to be compiled
[23:55] <btakita> Jordan_U: So stay on 9.04 for now?
[23:55] <Jordan_U> btakita: I would install karmic and then when the install is done install grub legacy while still in the LiveCD
[23:55] <raebodep> Guys I installed ubuntu
[23:55] <lstarnes> Sireorion_: what is option-221 "tftp" supposed to do?
[23:55] <raebodep> And my computer exploded
[23:55] <seth556> can anyone help, i'm all of the sudden getting error 17 when i try to boot
[23:55] <btakita> Jordan_U: Ok, thanks.
[23:55] <Nighthawk877> blkid does nothing Jordan
[23:55] <hassanakevazir> zechs, "lspci | grep Audio" in terminal , paste here
[23:55] <Voss> raebodep, that would be really awesome if true :)
[23:55] <genii-around> raebodep: So you're on your other backup coomputer then?
[23:56] <Jordan_U> Nighthawk877: Ok, then try "sudo fdisk -l"
[23:56] <raebodep> No I'm jk :P . Ubuntu is great
[23:56] <lmentop_> raebodep: was it a sony vaio?
[23:56] <Amigadude> exploding and taking out a troll or 2 would be even better
[23:56] <ken> seth556 are you using the new 9.10 and grub2
[23:56] <raebodep> lol my mom has sony Vaio
[23:56] <Concretesledge_> how can i reset my desktop
[23:56] <Concretesledge_> it keeps freezing up, i can't see the icons or anything
[23:56] <seth556> ken: no its 9.04 and grub 1.5
[23:56] <Skillen> Thanks anyway maybe I'll paste it in to the forums.
[23:56] <Jordan_U> btakita: np, you can install gru legacy via chroot ( if you know what chroot is )
[23:56] <kaddi> how can I list all loaded modules?
[23:56] <Voss> raebodep, If you ever figure out how to do it let us know :)
[23:56] <zechs> hassanakevazir: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[23:56] <kexman> not to those who want to use B43 driver for broadcom wifis that you now need to manually download firmware for your driver and needs to be compatible with the other driver :)
[23:56] <lstarnes> kaddi: lsmod
[23:57] <kexman> haha
[23:57] <kexman> i guess with ndiswrapper driver
[23:57] <Nighthawk877> it worked, but how do I use that pastebin thing?
[23:57] <suprkltz> ezzieyguywuf: I am also having trouble with OOo after my 9.10 upgrade--Dont have any answers
[23:57] <btakita> Jordan_U: No, but I bet google does :-)
[23:57] <kaddi> lstarnes: thx
[23:57] <ken> do you have one drive or are you using multiple drives
[23:57] <DeathMetalDean> does anyone know how to get farsight2 for amsn? It's so that I can video call
[23:57] <ezzieyguywuf> suprkltz: how annoying...
[23:57] <Amigadude> kexman: huh? I used synaptic did it all for me :)
[23:57] <seth556> ken: its only ubuntu and has been working fine until now randomly
[23:57] <raebodep> take a C4
[23:57] <raebodep> stick it into your motherboard
[23:57] <raebodep>  get rid of the fans
[23:57] <raebodep> ???
[23:57] <raebodep> PROFIT
[23:57] <FloodBot1> raebodep: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:57] <kexman> Amigadude: well i have no net now
[23:57] <jStefan> !pastebin | Nighthawk877
[23:57] <kexman> cooool ...
[23:58] <kexman> wait i might get updates via cable that i fixed
[23:58] <Amigadude> kexman: I had a spare USB wifi
[23:58] <Voss> kex, I found out the hard way that 9.10 Netbook remix doesnt support dell mini 9 wifi out of the box even though 9.04 does
[23:58] <kexman> but i bet that cable connection problem comes from the same issue the b43 one
[23:58] <raebodep> Guys my EDonkey doesn't work
[23:58] <ikonia> raebodep: please check your pm's
[23:58] <ikonia> raebodep: thank you
[23:58] <Nighthawk877> Jordan here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/308966/
[23:58] <oboewan> hey guys i need some help
[23:59] <Amigadude> use the force?
[23:59] <oboewan> just installed ubuntu and now am trying to install drivers for my geforce4mx
[23:59] <Sireorion_> how do i change protocol in lstp to tftp
[23:59] <Amigadude> ...sorry couldn't resist
[23:59] <btakita> Jordan_U: Again thank you. You have saved me quite a bit of angst and face-palming.
[23:59] <raebodep> My edonkey doesn't work, how do I get porn on my Ubuntu?
[23:59] <boscop> ikonia: ok I'm back
[23:59] <xiong> Concretesledge_, I might be able to help; we will need more information.
[23:59] <ikonia> raebodep: that's offtopic here


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[09:55] <xnox> sil2100:  erlang-p1-tls is in bionic-proposed, a sync.... i'm sure you love those
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[09:58] <sil2100> xnox: on it in a moment - I love them with all my heart
[09:58] <sil2100> ;)
[09:59]  * xnox poders logically "meaning, if one has no heart, it means.... OMG"
[09:59] <xnox> hahahahhahhaa
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[10:11] <sil2100> ;p
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[12:24] <sil2100> coreycb: hey! So I wanted to also review the nova upload for the new upstream release (disco) but I still see the previous SRU doesn't have one bug verified
[12:24] <sil2100> coreycb: I see someone tested the PPA packages, but not the -proposed ones
[13:17] <coreycb> sil2100: ok thanks we'll push on getting the other one verified for nova
[13:23] <coreycb> sil2100: just to be clear were you referring to this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1808951
[13:54] <coreycb> sil2100: we also have a high priority fix for python-glance-store in the cosmic unapproved queue if you have a moment to take a look at that. it's a small fix.
[13:59]  * didrocks is a little bit puzzled why grub2 binary packages on amd64 and arm64 are in eoan unapproved queue
[13:59] <didrocks> there is no new binary package or whatsoever
[14:09] <apw_> didrocks, they carry an efi signing component; which is always manually reviewed
[14:10] <vorlon> oSoMoN: have you seen handsome_feng's latest comments on LP: #1832656?  Will you support preseeding of chromium on flavor images (which means, opening and closing a stable/ubuntu-19.10 channel for the snap)?
[14:12] <oSoMoN> vorlon, yes, I'll do that
[14:12] <oSoMoN> still working on the week-end backlog, will do that neext
[14:12] <vorlon> oSoMoN: cheers :)
[14:12] <didrocks> apw: ah, makes sense, indeed
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[16:08] <juliank> ^ archive admins (CC sil2100, doko, infinity) can someone accept the libept ones please? they follow the apt abi bump and are needed for the next round
[16:09] <juliank> Maybe I should add libept1.5.0 as bad to the tracker
[17:05] <juliank> I plan to fix the apt test failure tomorrow, in case anyone was wonderign about that
[17:24] <vorlon> W: libept1.5.90: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libept1.aptpkg5.90
[17:25] <vorlon> juliank: ^^ is this package name / soname agreed upstream in Debian?
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[17:37] <juliank> vorlon: it's auto-generated like this based on apt soname
[17:38] <juliank> Probably should add an override at some point, don't know
[17:38] <juliank> I'm doing defacto maintenance in Debian
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[17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-1013.14]
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-1008.8]
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-22.23] (core, kernel)
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-17.18]
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (disco-proposed/main) [5.0.0-1008.8] (core, kernel)
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[17:53] <vorlon> juliank: ack
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libept [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [1.1+nmu3ubuntu1]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libept [armhf] (eoan-proposed) [1.1+nmu3ubuntu1]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libept [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed) [1.1+nmu3ubuntu1]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libept [arm64] (eoan-proposed) [1.1+nmu3ubuntu1]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libept [s390x] (eoan-proposed) [1.1+nmu3ubuntu1]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libept [i386] (eoan-proposed) [1.1+nmu3ubuntu1]
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-17.18~18.04.1]
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-17.18~18.04.1]
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-22.23]
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [arm64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-17.18]
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-17.18]
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-1008.8]
[18:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (disco-proposed/main) [2:14.0.1-0ubuntu1 => 2:14.0.1-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (bionic-proposed/main) [2:12.0.6-0ubuntu1 => 2:12.0.6-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
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[18:55] <wxl> why on earth does every flavor depend on spice-vdagent?????
[18:55] <teward> s/every flavor/every desktop flavor/
[18:55] <teward> wxl: ^
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iperf (disco-proposed/universe) [2.0.12+dfsg1-2 => 2.0.12+dfsg1-2ubuntu0.1] (edubuntu)
[19:10] <infinity> wxl: 9d2b6e2f2e1c13d240b2e00c5b6c150d9ea2a428 in the platform seed.
[19:10] <infinity> Author: Jeremy Bicha<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:10] <infinity> Date:   Tue Feb 20 08:02:27 2018 -0500
[19:10] <infinity>     desktop-common: Add spice-vdagent to work better in VMs (LP: #1200296)
[19:11] <wxl> yiiiikes
[19:11] <infinity> Lemme guess, the complaint it that it pulls in gtk3?  Cause its deps seem otherwise pretty harmless.
[19:12] <wxl> "will have no impact on other use cases" << presumptuous
[19:12] <wxl> oh well, we'll blacklist it
[19:12] <infinity> If it's gtk-3-only, it should be moved from desktop-common to gtk-3 flavours, IMO.
[19:12] <infinity> Not hacked around via blacklists.
[19:13] <wxl> we haven
[19:13] <wxl> 't completely divorced ourselves from gtk so that's not entirely fair, though that's the goal
[19:14] <wxl> but limiting unnecessary services is certainly one
[19:14] <infinity> Oh, is it actively running things that are causing issues?  It's not just the toolkit bloat?
[19:14] <vorlon> it's socket activated
[19:15] <vorlon> so not running by default
[19:16] <wxl> weird. it autostarts but it doesn't.
[19:16] <infinity> Was there actually a discussion about this before it landed in desktop-common?  The bug only references ubuntu-meta.
[19:16] <vorlon> it's certainly still subject to moving to a different seed if there's not consensus across the flavors, but why is this on your radar at all?
[19:16] <wxl> either way, i'd like to limit the gtk depends
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iperf (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.10+dfsg1-1ubuntu1 => 2.0.10+dfsg1-1ubuntu1.1] (edubuntu)
[19:17] <vorlon> limit, or eliminate?
[19:17] <wxl> goal being eliminate and limit in the interim
[19:17] <infinity> To be fair, firefox is still the browser of choice for most flavours, and it's gtk-3, so...
[19:17] <infinity> spice-thingee is pulling in nothing extra.
[19:18] <vorlon> it doesn't make sense to me to remove a package from the seed that has no runtime memory cost and improves the usability of the flavor in some environments (VMs) until you're ready to drop gtk entirely
[19:18] <wxl> ok, blacklist it is :)
[19:18] <vorlon> if you really think that's the right thing to do, you can, but as infinity says, it should be done by moving it out of desktop-common into the per-flavor seeds, not by blacklisting
[19:18] <vorlon> no, absolutely not by blacklisting
[19:19] <infinity> And the only credible replacement for firefox is chromium, which is also gtk-3.
[19:19] <infinity> So, unless you hate your users enough to force them to use a crappy web browser (which is 95% of most people's computer usage these days), you might be stuck shipping GTK. :P
[19:19] <vorlon> infinity: chromium is a snap now in eoan ;P
[19:20] <infinity> vorlon: I mean, that doesn't remove the GTK, just gives you more copies of it.
[19:20] <infinity> Also, ick.
[19:22] <vorlon> wxl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement/AddingPackagesToDesktopCommon
[19:22] <infinity> wxl: Anyhow, blacklisting is the wrong answer philosophically, but it's also the wrong answer technically.  seed blacklists are used to help influence alternate dependency choices, they don't actually outright blacklist things.
[19:24] <wxl> okie dokie
[19:24] <infinity> vorlon: Adding it definitely did not follow that policy. :)
[19:24] <infinity> vorlon: OOI, is it referenced from the seed?
[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iperf (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.0.10+dfsg1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.0.10+dfsg1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (edubuntu)
[19:26] <vorlon> infinity: policy was created after that add happened.  policy is referenced from the seed now, and that was the last change made to desktop-common ;)
[19:27] <infinity> vorlon: Oh, I had an off-by-one here.  I thought it was added Feb 2019, not 2018.
[19:27] <infinity> Impressive that it took this long for anyone to pretend to care.
[19:28] <wxl> in other news, oh seed masters, can anyone tell me why we have geoclue? i'm been pouring over the rdepends and can't quite figure it out.
[19:28] <infinity> wxl: Honestly, given that it pulls in exactly zero new deps (assuming you ship ffox), isn't running by default, and has, supposedly, a positive impact, I'd just leave it be.  If you can disprove the last point or two...
[19:30] <infinity> wxl: geoclue isn't in eoan anymore...
[19:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected iperf [source] (disco-proposed) [2.0.12+dfsg1-2ubuntu0.1]
[19:30] <wxl> geoclue-2.0 :/
[19:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iperf (disco-proposed/universe) [2.0.12+dfsg1-2 => 2.0.12+dfsg1-2ubuntu0.1] (edubuntu)
[19:34] <infinity> libqt5positioning5
[19:35] <infinity> wxl: ^
[19:36] <infinity> wxl: Which is depended on by libqt5webkit5
[19:37] <infinity> wxl: So, QtWebkit -> QtPositioning -> geoclue.
[19:37] <infinity> And now you know.
[19:37] <infinity> And knowing is 37% of the battle.
[19:37] <wxl> huh. well that's silly. it autostarts some demo agent
[19:38] <infinity> Talk to the Qt packagers.  Maybe it really only wants libgeclue instead of geoclue, and they oopsed.
[19:38] <wxl> how did you get that, btw?
[19:39] <infinity> Drilling backward through reverse-depends -l and some shell loops and typing quickly.
[19:40] <wxl> oh hm, i always used apt-rdepends
[19:40] <vorlon> "it autostarts" well there's nothing running here, perhaps because /etc/xdg/autostart/geoclue-demo-agent.desktop hilariously declares 'NotShowIn=GNOME'?
[19:40] <infinity> Hah.
[19:41] <infinity> Way to hide the bugs from us.
[19:41] <infinity> wxl: Solution, run GNOME.
[19:41] <infinity> (not actually the solution)
[19:42] <wxl> oh darn, because i was just about to...
[19:42]  * wxl slaps infinity with a wet fish
[19:42] <wxl> ..that
[19:42] <infinity> Is it 1999?
[19:43] <infinity> Are you running mIRC?
[19:43] <infinity> Blink twice if you need help.
[19:43] <wxl> i thought it was 94
[19:43] <wxl> and dude, i'm running EPiC like everyone else
[19:43] <wxl> *mom get off the phone i'm on the computer!*
[21:31] <vorlon> xnox: s390-tools Depends: s390-tools-signed (= ${DEB_VERSION}) interesting
[22:20] <xnox> hahahhahahhahhaha
[22:20] <xnox> oh boi
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [2.02+dfsg1-12ubuntu3]
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (eoan-proposed) [2.02+dfsg1-12ubuntu3]