[09:31] <nhaines> pleia2: I have detailed numbers for the Ubuntu DVDs now.  I'm not sure if you want a breakdown or just a remaining count at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/TrustyRelease
[09:31] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/TrustyRelease - Ubuntu Wiki]
[09:31] <raevol> https://openmw.org/2014/openmw-0-30-0-released/ !! :D
[09:31] <darthrobot> Title: [OpenMW 0.30.0 Released | OpenMW, Open source Elderscrolls III: Morrowind reimplementation, Morrowind remake, Morrowind remade,]
[09:31] <nhaines> Which, we have 50 desktop and 4 server discs remaining, with 5 desktop discs earmarked for the request we discussed in email way back.
[09:39] <nhaines> raevol: it's looking pretty good.
[09:43] <raevol> :D
[09:43] <nhaines> I really should work on Skyrim some more.  But KSP is so tempting.  :)
[16:08] <pleia2> nhaines: thanks! I'll update with my numbers in a bit


[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58650 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller should resync when source is reduced" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58650
[02:55] <mpt> Gooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58670 in malone "Highlight comments from the reporter" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58670
[06:09] <asabil> hello all
[06:09] <asabil> anyone here ?
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58685 in rosetta "Support for subtranslations" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58685
[10:07] <jamesh> biggest misuse of spec tracker so far: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/internet-sharing
[10:08] <jml> heh heh
[10:20] <Burgundavia> jamesh: indeed
[10:28] <sivang> jamesh: hehe
[10:28] <sivang> morning
[11:16] <lifeless> jamesh: wow
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58651 in ubiquity "Crash on instaling xubuntu insuficient disk?" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58651
[05:42] <asabil> hi all
[06:15] <asabil> launchpad is borked again ?
[06:21] <ddaa> asabil: appears to be online to me
[06:22] <asabil> the bzr sync stuff is broken since yesterday
[06:24] <ddaa> mh, yeah, it looks like the puller is not running quite as frequently as it should
[06:32] <ddaa> asabil: it's not apparently the same problem as last week-end
[06:32] <asabil> oh
[06:33] <ddaa> unfortunately, I have not been given the privs I need to diagnose the problem
[06:34] <ddaa> asabil: what's the problematic branch?
[06:35] <asabil> same as last week
[06:35] <asabil> wait
[06:35] <asabil> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jprieur/cocoon/cocoon/
[06:38] <ddaa> asabil: I see no problem, the sftp branch has 4 revs
[06:38] <ddaa> same as the http branch
[06:38] <ddaa> asabil: what is your problem?
[06:39] <asabil> heh
[06:39] <asabil> i tought they were out of sync
[06:40] <ddaa> cool then
[06:40] <asabil> let me check with the author
[06:40] <ddaa> asabil: the branch your mentioned last week was ~jprieur/pymsn/cocoon
[06:40] <ddaa> maybe you are checking the wrong branch?
[06:40] <asabil> possible :/
[06:41] <ddaa> that one is also up-to-date
[06:42] <asabil> okey thank you and sorry for disturbing
[06:42] <asabil> i am waiting for the author to check
[06:42] <ddaa> You are welcome.
[06:42] <ddaa> Say yay to professional 24x7 support ;)
[06:43] <asabil> yay
[06:43] <asabil> :)
[06:48] <asabil> sorry that was in fact a bad url
[06:50] <ddaa> No problem, I love to prove work the people that blame my work ;) And I guess that after last week's outage the confidence has a bit decreased.
[06:51] <asabil> :p
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58732 in rosetta "Translation of Konversation not imported" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58732
[08:54] <SteveA> hi
[12:10] <jenda> Hello
[12:11] <jenda> I commited revision 11 just now to a branch, but the branches launchpad page still shows only 4 revs (and it's been a loong time since rev 10).
[12:11] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[12:11] <jenda> Why is that?


[06:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:46] <BluesKaj> hey SHIVA GOPI , create an ext4 partition for Kubuntu with gparted live media , either cd or usb
[11:47] <BluesKaj> !gparted
[11:53] <BluesKaj> SHIVA GOPI, that's if you want to dual boot  windows and kubuntu, if not then try a VM  like virtualbox
[11:53] <BluesKaj> !virtualbox
[14:53] <Quantos> Hey guys, I'm having a hard time with the KDE Connection Manager/Editor
[14:54] <Quantos> It's not remembering the password to my home Wi-Fi
[14:54] <Quantos> I'm running KUbuntu 16.04
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Quantos, which wifi chip ?
[14:57] <Quantos> I don't think it's the chip
[14:57] <Quantos> It's fine once I enter irt
[14:58] <Quantos> But when it reboots it forgets
[14:58] <BluesKaj> i just need to know which chip and driver we're dealing with here
[14:58] <Quantos> Okay, how do I check that
[14:58] <sujith> Hi all. I am facing a small issue with my HDMI monitor connected to my laptop. It was working till yesterday. Today morning when I try to connect he HDMI cable to the laptop and in the monitor I see it as disconnected
[14:58] <sujith> the xrandr output also does show that its disconnected
[14:59] <sujith> when I try to set the output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24151983/
[15:00] <sujith> I am using kubuntu 16.04
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Quantos, gotta reboot ...bbiab
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Quantos:  lspci in the terminal , look for Network Controller: name beside 802.11bgn or something similar
[15:14] <Quantos> Network Controller: Intel Corp Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak] (rev 34)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Quantos:  maybe #linux-wireless can help you ...can't seem to find an example of your problem in my searches
[15:30] <Quantos> Okay, thank you mang
[18:15] <leeleezzz> I have issues with my torrent client.Is Ktorrent pretty good.
[18:21] <diogenes_> leeleezzz, ktorrent is the best for me
[18:38] <Linklink> reggaeTo seen drw
[18:38] <reggaeTo> Linklink: Sorry, I haven't seen drw.
[18:39] <Linklink> reggaeTo seen qwandor
[18:39] <reggaeTo> Linklink: Sorry, I haven't seen qwandor.
[18:41] <Linklink> reggaeTo seen kcroot_
[18:41] <reggaeTo> Linklink: Sorry, I haven't seen kcroot_.
[18:41] <Dragnslcr> Linklink- this isn't an appropriate channel for testing bots
[18:42] <Linklink> reggaeTo seen Dragnslcr
[18:42] <reggaeTo> Linklink: Dragnslcr was last seen in #kubuntu 37 seconds ago saying "Linklink- this isn't an appropriate channel for testing bots".
[18:46] <Linklink> reggaeTo seen Dragnslcr
[18:46] <reggaeTo> Linklink: Dragnslcr was last seen in #kubuntu 4 mins 42 seconds ago saying "Linklink- this isn't an appropriate channel for testing bots".
[18:47] <Linklink> reggaeTo seen JLP_
[18:47] <reggaeTo> Linklink: Sorry, I haven't seen JLP_.
[18:47] <Linklink> reggaeTo seen joyceg
[18:47] <reggaeTo> Linklink: Sorry, I haven't seen joyceg.
[18:48] <mas886> I ask this here cause I don't even know where to ask this. Is there a reason why my system just stops resolving DNSs until I reboot it from time to time?
[18:49] <Linklink> reggaeTo seen mas886
[18:49] <reggaeTo> Linklink: mas886 was last seen in #kubuntu 1 mins 12 seconds ago saying "I ask this here cause I don't even know where to ask this. Is there a reason why my system just stops resolving DNSs until I reboot it from time to time?".
[18:51] <acheronuk> !ops | Linklink
[18:53] <genii> Hm
[18:53] <acheronuk> thx genii :)
[18:54] <mas886> What's happening?
[18:55] <genii> mas886: Someone put a bot in the channel that was pinging users
[18:58] <mas886> Okay
[19:19] <momken> Hello
[19:19] <momken> My laptop (HP EliteBook 8470p) has a mobile-broadband 3G module (Sierra wireless HP un2430)
[19:19] <momken> How could I connect to it in Kubuntu 16.04?
[19:29] <momken> hello
[19:49] <momken> I am back


[01:17] <OerHeks> hahaha http://mashable.com/2016/08/19/tiny-tugboat-man
[01:17] <OerHeks> great for going up the river too
[01:17] <Bashing-om> And once more .. ya going to make me look .
[01:20] <Bashing-om> Looks like a great plan down stream . not so sure of the upstream result .  - where the fishing poles ?
[01:23] <OerHeks> maybe salmon get stress from the tug and jump in his boat :-D
[01:23] <daftykins> :D
[01:24] <OerHeks> toet-toet
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:25] <Bashing-om> Hey lotuspsychje .. We be in the midst of a lull .. ya got the time for morning coffee .
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> hey there Bashing-om my coffee is near me :p
[05:31] <Bashing-om> Well .. I should have figgured that ! ... Make a good morn'in of it .
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys working day :p
[13:32] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[15:50] <OerHeks> no milk today
[16:44] <BluesKaj> hey OerHeks, EriC^^, pauljw_vm , pavlushka and all others who are awake :-)
[16:45] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj :)
[16:45]  * OerHeks opens one eye .. \o/ BluesKaj
[16:45] <pauljw_vm> hi BluesKaj, EriC^^ , everyone.  :)
[16:45] <EriC^^> hi pauljw_vm :)
[16:45] <BluesKaj> :-)
[16:46] <EriC^^> OerHeks :)
[16:50] <BluesKaj> anyway. managed to solve vpn connectivity on the the rpi3, gotta use a couple of terminal commands, but it works quite well.
[16:50] <pauljw_vm> awesome, BluesKaj
[16:50] <ducasse> what was the problem, BluesKaj?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> ducasse, tbh I'm not sure , but I found a tutorial written specifically for my particular vpnserver and there were a couple of new settings for permissions and the openvpn/.ovpn files that did the trick
[16:55] <ducasse> BluesKaj: hmm, well, as long as it works... i was just kind of curious why it first didn't :)
[16:57] <BluesKaj> ducasse, there was an error message in the .ovpn file when I tried to connect previously, but the error had no details
[17:01] <ducasse> BluesKaj: curiouser and curiouser...
[17:11] <BluesKaj> ducasse, this is the tut I used: https://www.htpcguides.com/autoconnect-private-internet-access-vpn-boot-linux/ , but I didn't setup the auto-connect on boot feature
[17:15] <BluesKaj> prefer to connect on my own time and various servers ...some are much better than others
[17:22] <BluesKaj> ok , errands to do this aft, ...BBL


[01:00] <bryceh> Sarvatt, what kind of help do you need exactly?
[01:01] <Sarvatt> core-dev :P
[01:02] <Sarvatt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/PackageNotes
[01:05] <bryceh> are there debdiffs prepared for the merges?
[01:06] <Sarvatt> nope but I can come up with that before server goes in on monday, been doing what I can asking debian to update things and merging things in git
[01:06] <bryceh> that would be great
[01:06] <Sarvatt> but even things like nvidia-current need rebuilding now since xserver-xorg-core breaks every package providing the old abi
[01:06] <Sarvatt> and virtualbox
[01:06] <bryceh> if it's just down to package sponsoring I can probably carve out a couple hours monday to lend a hand
[01:07] <Sarvatt> yeah its just sponsoring really
[01:07] <bryceh> don't worry about the proprietary drivers at this point
[01:07] <Sarvatt> i do because xserver wont upgrade and will remove input/video-all if they have the prop drivers installed :)
[01:07] <bryceh> it's traditional that they all break once xserver is updated, and stay broken until we receive compatible versions
[01:08] <bryceh> won't upgrade?
[01:08] <Sarvatt> if it was just the drivers broken it'd be one thing but xserver wont even install now
[01:08] <bryceh> hmm
[01:08] <bryceh> but that affects only users with proprietary drivers installed?
[01:08] <Sarvatt> upgrading the safe upgrade stuff which didn't include -core made nvidia-current get installed on  my netbook
[01:09] <bryceh> I would be highly doubtful that there are many people running proprietary drivers on maverick right now, but if there are some, then they can clean up manually
[01:09] <Sarvatt> maybe we should just not have nvidia-current provide an abi, it doesn't make sense thinking about it because the ones in maverick are compatable wth multiple video abi's
[01:09] <bryceh> if you want to be nice, maybe include some hints in an email
[01:11] <bryceh> historically, we've always had a broken period from when the new xserver appeared until the drivers built, which could last a couple days
[01:12] <bryceh> a good goal would be to minimize that by getting xserver and the main foss drivers in as close to each other as possible
[01:12] <bryceh> the outlier drivers, including proprietary drivers, probably can wait for the second round after that
[01:12] <Sarvatt> i'll start gathering up debdiffs :)
[01:12] <bryceh> excellent
[02:19] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: ive got 3 more crashes different with Xorg. should it post to the same bug?
[03:55] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas -- must beat language pack builders! :D
[04:26] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: I added more dgb to bug 587710
[04:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 587710 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "if FF wit lot Gif & overloading CPU then X-boom to login (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587710
[05:39] <ripps> *sigh* I remember when gmpc-trunk used be in the Most Active list. That was before the developer went on hiatus.
[05:43] <ripps> When is dri2 sync + swap coming?
[07:58] <ripps> what is this? Do I see a 2.6.35 kernel building for maverick? Only a matter of time til one is backported to either xorg-edgers or kernel-ppa
[08:33]  * hyperair growls at x-x-v-i
[08:59] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i am building 2.6.35-1.1 for lucid in my ppa and will copy it over to edgers if it works
[10:40] <lucazade> adding XAANoOffscreenPixmaps to poulsbo xorg.conf fix 3D but icons/pixmaps are broken.... grrr
[10:46] <lucazade> any hint?
[11:06] <lucazade> adding also RENDER "disable" fix both 3D and icons.. but not optimal workaround
[11:53] <Sarvatt> heads up if you are using the dynpm module option for radeon its gone in that .35 kenel so it wont load
[12:02] <ricotz> Sarvatt, :( i said it is building in my ppa, so there wasnt a need to jam more builders
[12:04] <Sarvatt> i  didnt look at irc when i woke up, sorry
[12:05] <ricotz> Sarvatt, alright
[12:46] <Sarvatt> ricotz: are you patching mutter? it's pretty much useless in maverick without http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/0001-Use-gdk_screen_get_system_colormap-instead-of-gdk_sc.patch
[12:48] <Sarvatt> i need to figure out how to get collab-maint packages working with auto-xorg-git..
[13:07] <ripps> geez, everybody and their sister is building 2.6.35 in launchpad
[13:42] <Sarvatt> theres the 2048x2048 compiz fix for intel \o/ - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=add3260157368458501709d08a3f913ed448234f
[13:49] <Sarvatt> hmm randrproto installs docs to /usr/share/doc/randrproto instead of /usr/share/doc/x11-proto-randr-dev now
[13:50] <ricotz> Sarvatt, yes, i am patching mutter with it
[13:53] <ricotz> Sarvatt, yesterday you mentioned a shell script for updating edgers ppa, could i have a look at it?
[13:55] <jcristau> Sarvatt: it does?
[13:56] <Sarvatt> yeah
[13:56] <Sarvatt> in git
[13:57] <Sarvatt> i just made a script that build the world automatically in debian packages and that and libxt were the failures, fixed libxt in unstable
[13:58] <ricotz> ok
[13:58] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/proto/randrproto/commit/?id=68f8fbe50792e0525ba767d854b18db4acda07ff
[13:59] <jcristau> i guess i never test built libxt
[13:59] <jcristau> ah right
[14:00] <jcristau> hmm but dh_installdocs randrproto.txt should still put it in the right place
[14:00] <Sarvatt> digging up the build logs
[14:01] <Sarvatt> ricotz: will upload it to xorg-pkg-tools soon, working out some kinks
[14:01] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+build/1774308/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.x11proto-randr_1.3.1+git20100604.6ecbca5e-0ubuntu0sarvatt~lucid_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:02] <ricotz> Sarvatt, thanks
[14:03] <Sarvatt> dh_install: x11proto-randr-dev missing files (usr/share/doc/x11proto-randr-dev/*), aborting
[14:03] <jcristau> wtf
[14:03] <jcristau> yeah.  wonder what's going on there
[14:04] <jcristau> hum
[14:04] <jcristau> ../configure: line 4078: PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG: command not found
[14:05] <jcristau> this is also broken :)
[14:05] <jcristau> pkg-config not installed?
[14:06] <Sarvatt> oh sheesh i fixed that in the upload before it and forgot, need to make a hook too add it to build depends
[14:08] <Sarvatt> or should it be that way in git in the first place? :)
[14:08] <Sarvatt> Build-Depends:
[14:08] <Sarvatt>  debhelper (>= 5.0.0),
[14:08] <Sarvatt>  automake,
[14:08] <Sarvatt>  xutils-dev (>= 1:7.5~1)
[14:08] <jcristau> may be easier to just give up and add it to xutils-dev Depends
[14:09] <jcristau> but yeah, adding it to randrproto build-deps in git sounds good
[14:10] <Sarvatt> okie pushing it
[14:11] <Sarvatt> and depends of xutils-dev sounds good to me :)
[14:14] <Sarvatt> oh noes, input-citron doesnt build against 1.8 either http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49692666/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.xserver-xorg-input-citron_1:2.2.2%2Bgit20100604.6341ecaa-0ubuntu0sarvatt~lucid_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:14] <jcristau> surprise..
[14:18] <Sarvatt> big old list here if you ever want to see build logs for anything - https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[14:23] <Sarvatt> ricotz: http://sarvatt.com/sarvatt-update-ppa.sh --  just dont run it on edgers anytime because it relies on only one person running it stores the latest commit in .lastcommit so it knows to only update the package if its been update :)
[14:24] <Sarvatt> if you change the ppa to an undefined one it'll make source packages for the world
[14:26] <ricotz> thanks, will have a look
[14:27] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i would be nice if the date in version-string is actually the date of git-commit
[14:28] <ricotz> LASTCOMMITDATE=$(git log ${LASTCOMMIT:7} --pretty=%ci | head -1 | awk '{ print $1 }' | sed 's/-//g')
[15:15] <Sarvatt> ricotz: oh but its ok to use for mesa, thats the CUSTOM_ONE target
[15:17] <Sarvatt> i put the hacky hook that replaces debian/ in hooks-sarvatt
[15:55] <Sarvatt> argh found yet another problem in fglrx-installer, patch pointing at the wrong file. i'm not getting any feedback on it and cant test it so i asked people to come here if they have a problem with it :)
[16:17] <Sarvatt> i hate uploading things i cant test :)
[17:27] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: did you manage to advance in the psb drivers?
[17:35] <jcristau> Sarvatt: do you remember when/how the 'Failed to submit batchbuffer: Input/output error' intel errors got fixed?
[17:58] <Sarvatt> jcristau: there were so many different bugs causing that, it depends.. most were the "dont release *something* at load detect time" commit in the kernel that i dont think ever made it upstream
[17:59] <Sarvatt> looking for the commit, i know debian had it though
[17:59] <Sarvatt> i remember bgoglin pinging it on intel-gfx saying you were carrying it
[17:59] <Sarvatt> ah crap, script moved mesa to a +
[17:59] <Sarvatt> libgl1-mesa-dri-gallium_7.9.0+git20100605.6d741627-0ubuntu0sarvatt_i386.deb
[17:59] <Sarvatt>  :(
[18:13] <Sarvatt> jcristau: if it was happening at suspend/resume or when idle and doing a dpms off this is the commit - https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/80474/
[18:13] <Sarvatt> that one had really specific triggers
[18:14] <Sarvatt> but there are so many bugs that cause that error message
[18:21]  * hyperair gapes at the amount of upgrades from the xorg-edgers ppa
[18:22] <jcristau> Sarvatt: okay, thanks
[20:42] <ripps> dammit, the new 2.6.35 is incompatible with linuxwacom. I have Bamboo CTL-460, and it requires building a new wacom module, but I'm unable to build a module for this kernel.
[20:53] <Sarvatt> it's not in 2.6.35?
[20:54] <Sarvatt> is it just the kernel side that doesnt support it or xf86-input-wacom? wacom module load?
[20:57] <Sarvatt> yeah i dont see the pci ids in the kernel :(
[21:08] <Sarvatt> why haven't they pushed that to the mainline kernel yet
[21:08] <Sarvatt> i mean i see it in here over a year ago
[21:14] <Sarvatt> oh ok here's where they added support for your d4 device in linuxwacom, not as old as i thought - http://linuxwacom.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linuxwacom/linuxwacom;a=commit;h=2683f4f52f4e43f4bbabb168d1a31e78200d9d8c
[21:51] <ripps> Sarvatt: I fixed the wacom issue. The module didn't work, and the code in linuxwacom-0.8.6-2/0.8.7-2 was out of date. I had to change the name of a few functions in order for the the module to build
[21:52] <ripps> in wacom_sys.c
[21:54] <ripps> yeah, but this crap should be in mainline already. No reason I should be rebuilding wacom modules at this point.
[21:55] <ripps> if this doesn't go in, they better make a dkms or something


[07:03] <duflu> alf_: Annoyingly, I upgraded, broke and then upgraded mako again. And something other than Mir has changed so I'm not getting consistent results any more. This will take time...
[07:04] <duflu> Oddly, unity8 is no longer fast enough to qualify for double buffering in wily-proposed whereas it was a few days ago
[07:05] <duflu> Still, could be something change in Mir too
[08:25] <duflu> A scary (or spurious) realisation: QtMir doesn't schedule enough frames to render clients smoothly. The only reason they don't appear to hang is because of the frame dropping fallback.
[08:25] <duflu> So it drops (stutters) when it could be rendering smoothly
[08:26] <duflu> Although dropping should appear in the log. Hmm
[08:32] <duflu> Bah, words. They're often wrong.
[08:32]  * duflu is still excited about the potential for simple improvements in qtmir
[08:48] <alan_g> anpok_: you merged the g++-5 changes to 0.14 - does that mean yet another attempt to land has started?
[08:49] <anpok_> yes
[08:49] <alan_g> /sigh - I was hoping it meant 0.14 had landed and 0.14.1 was speeding through
[08:49] <anpok_> this time u-s-c boottest failed as it only upgraded mirserver and client libraries
[08:49] <anpok_> but not the drivers
[08:50] <anpok_> hence tries to boot without drivers
[08:50] <alan_g> the team will owe you a drink for this release
[08:50] <anpok_> when I reverted the driver abi bump (we did not bump it during the 0.14 period) assumed that it might not be broken ..
[08:50] <alan_g> s/drink/large drink/
[08:51] <anpok_> not mir bootest fails (in silo 004 still)
[08:51] <anpok_> -not +now
[08:51] <anpok_> because guess what .. there was an abi break we missed..
[08:51] <anpok_> now looking into efficient ways to find it
[08:52] <anpok_> and yeah merged the g++5 fixes..
[08:52] <anpok_> I hoped a karma improvement like that might improve our odds
[08:53] <alan_g> Early, automated detection is what we need. Not at the tail end of s stupidly involved manual process.
[08:54] <anpok_> yes..
[09:03] <duflu> greyback: Is it certain that QTimer::singleShot(0, this, SLOT(update())) will schedule a second frame (16ms later) or is there a risk it could coalesce into the current one being drawn?
[09:04] <duflu> I guess it assumes everyone is on a single threaded event loop
[09:08] <greyback> duflu: that call executed on the renderer thread. That appends an event to the main GUI thread (with the main event loop) to call the update() function, which indicates the scene is dirty, and tells the renderer to schedule a new pass
[09:09] <duflu> greyback: Even when the current pass is still pending? It doesn't get cleared at the end of the pass?
[09:09] <duflu> Hopefully at the beginning..
[09:09] <greyback> duflu: the current pass is in progress when that is called
[09:10] <duflu> greyback: I know. That's why I'm asking. Is it clever enough to know the current frame's not finished and a second one after that is needed?
[09:10] <greyback> duflu: that's exactly what it's doing. I think it's reliable, it will schedule a second frame if there's another client buffer ready for compositing
[09:11] <duflu> greyback: Yeah in theory we'd see more bugs if it didn't work, but I still want to verify
[09:11] <greyback> code is a bit clunky tho, I'll admit that
[09:12] <duflu> Actually it's about right for an event loop design. Only the Q* syntax is unfamiliar for me
[09:12] <greyback> you'll get used to it ;)
[09:21] <duflu> greyback: On a different note, is there somewhere you can put code to execute after the eglSwapBuffers?
[09:23] <duflu> greyback: Oh, found it. Sorry
[09:23] <greyback> duflu: I know what you're thinking ;) I did try a prototype to release buffers earlier, but can't find it now
[09:24] <duflu> greyback: Yeah, it's a tangential thought. I should stay on the first task really
[09:25] <greyback> ah found it
[09:26] <greyback> lp:~gerboland/qtmir/remove-custom-framepump1/
[09:26] <greyback> was causing rendering bugs tho
[09:28] <duflu> greyback: OK, yes fair enough
[09:46] <duflu> OK, bad news and good news...
[09:46] <duflu> Bad news: When dynamic double buffering is working properly it may not be beneficial to Unity8.
[09:47] <duflu> Good news: Predictive bypass (already landed and coming in 0.15) seems to raise frame rates by 25-35% (!)
[09:47] <duflu> Which really means it avoids frame skipping
[09:49] <greyback> duflu: why not beneficial to u8? As a server, or as a client of USC?
[09:50] <duflu> greyback: As a client of USC... I should have noticed -- any surface that's bypassed/overlaid (like the fullscreen U8) doesn't get dynamic double buffering. Due to the extra compositor demands of bypass/overlays
[09:50] <duflu> Predictive bypass reduces the problem, but apparently not enough
[09:51] <greyback> duflu: sounds like we should test and see for sure
[09:52] <duflu> greyback: I am. And it's not fun. Although in my full stack test with 0.14 predictive bypass was missing. So maybe it will free up the Unity stack enough to get the benefit back. It doesn't when running the pure 0.15 mir demos, is all
[09:53] <greyback> ok
[09:55] <duflu> Too many variables
[09:57] <duflu> greyback: In theory you could achieve a similar benefit in QtMir for apps by changing that zero-millisecond timer to something non-zero (but still short enough to not miss frames)
[09:58] <duflu> Or maybe not. Other parts might need to change too before there's any benefit there
[09:58] <greyback> duflu: why delay the timer? If we know there's a new frame to be composited, we might as well schedule a new renderer pass immediately
[09:59] <duflu> greyback: Hmm actually if the texture update for all surfaces is delayed in the same way, maybe not
[10:00] <duflu> It only works if you know your max render time and have room to play with. So not a good idea for GL on a mobile device I guess
[10:01] <greyback> yep
[16:06] <racarr> Good morning!
[16:29] <kgunn> racarr: gm
[22:07] <wulfensteyn> um.. on wily (mir 0.14) clicking on gedit menu crashes unity
[22:07] <wulfensteyn> also some strange crashes with gnome-calculator on demo server
[22:08] <wulfensteyn> the keyboard works fine now :D the key repeat rate seems to be fixed
[22:09] <wulfensteyn> +1
[22:42] <bschaefer> mcphail, popey https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/SDL2-new-mir-ABI
[22:43] <bschaefer> is the new branch which is moving to the new mir ABI (though im using trunk mir
[22:43] <bschaefer> )
[22:43] <bschaefer> sooo you'll need a pretty new mir atm (not 100% how far off it is from main)
[22:43] <bschaefer> ill try to get a ppa with the right version of mir on it
[22:49] <popey> hello!
[22:49] <popey> that's something to play with at the weekend :)
[22:56] <bschaefer> popey, sweet :)
[22:56] <bschaefer> popey, i should be around irc, soo just poke me at any point!
[23:30] <robert_ancell> Does anyone know if Unity8 is planning to support client side decorations for applications (e.g. GNOME applications that are drawing a HeaderBar).
[23:33] <robert_ancell> Asking here because I guess a Mir surface will have to hint if it should be decorated
[23:37] <Trevinho> mh, wondering the same...
[23:38] <robert_ancell> I guess we'd need a mir_surface_spec_set_decorated() or similar
[23:42] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, Do you mean the Mir 0.14 API? That's in wily now
[23:43] <robert_ancell> oh, 0.15.
[23:43] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, aiming at trunk mir
[23:44] <bschaefer> soo 0.15, but i dont think there was an API change from 0.14 --> 0.15
[23:44] <bschaefer> but theres some new stuff
[23:44] <robert_ancell> Most of that branch is Mir 0.14 I think
[23:45] <bschaefer> yeah, waiting on some new 0.15 stuff to land (relative mouse support and an egl pixel format thing)
[23:45] <bschaefer> relative landed soo i just need to implement those changes


[03:35] <Guest34> How long after Ubuntu Beta/Release do they release the flavors? or is it simultaneous
[11:13] <mparillo> Simultaneous. The ISOs generally become available before the official announcement.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:13] <mybalzitch> is there a release date for 22.04 ?
[16:14] <Maik> mybalzitch: the release schedule has been out for months which state April 21st
[16:14] <Maik> Beta is due March 31st
[16:15] <Maik> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[16:16] <mybalzitch> MONTHS
[16:16] <mybalzitch> thanks
[16:16] <Maik> yw
[16:54] <user|69> good afternoon , the system kde plasma version 5.25.2 not native support resolution of many  monitor I am have problems for set resolution 1920x1200 and each restart the back default configuration. I maked code whit "xrandr" and saved in file ".profile" but not work.
[16:55] <Maik> user|69: which kubuntu version?
[16:56] <oerheks> user|69, reset your monitor with its own menu?
[16:56] <Maik> there's no kde plasma 5.25.2 by the way
[16:56] <RikMills> 5.25.2? please lend me your time machine
[16:57] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/plasma-desktop is still on .24
[16:57] <oerheks> oh
[16:59] <user|69> Kubuntu 21.10
[17:00] <oerheks> nope, still on https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/plasma-desktop  4:5.22.5-0ubuntu1 .. where did you get 5.25?
[17:00] <oerheks> also try reset your monitor, 1080x1200 might not be correct, see specs of your vendor
[17:00] <user|69> yes
[17:03] <Maik> oerheks: there's no 5.25 yet
[17:03] <user|69> the better configuration was 1920x1200 I test
[17:04] <RikMills> I guess they typo'd 5.22.5 -> to 5.25.2
[17:04] <RikMills> i.e. swapped the last 2 and 5 in error
[17:07] <user|69> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/aca76628b190652dfd532140c224d8a0/Screenshot_20220320_140519.png
[17:07]  * RikMills is proved correct
[17:08] <oerheks> oke, try the fix i typed before, or check the real specs of your monior
[17:15] <user|69> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/3f9700b1bb32b546e46e092c8e336d26/pasted.txt
[17:16] <user|69> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/3f9700b1bb32b546e46e092c8e336d26/pasted.txt
[17:16] <oerheks> see? no 1980x1200
[17:16] <oerheks> buy more pixels :-P
[17:17] <user|69> Screen Type
[17:17] <user|69> LED
[17:17] <user|69> Active Area
[17:17] <user|69> 476.64 (H) x 268.11 (V) mm
[17:17] <user|69> Aspect Ratio
[17:17] <user|69> 16:9
[17:17] <oerheks> no
[17:17] <oerheks> we read your 'picture'
[17:20] <user|69> Drone não entendi
[17:20] <user|69> como configurar dessa forma?
[17:21] <oerheks> english please
[17:21] <oerheks> 1920x1200 is not possible
[17:22] <oerheks> 1920x1080 is your resolution
[17:23] <user|69> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/849767ddd6ae149ca093b92082682650/resolution.png
[17:26] <oerheks> such resolution is not native, but simulated
[17:27] <oerheks> you would see weird artifacts while scrolling, i guess
[17:32] <user|69> The resolution 1920x1080 was not good
[17:32] <user|69> cut windows
[17:39] <user|69> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/d6f1b75def3fe4c68ba47c2566390147/resolution1920x1080.png
[17:48] <oerheks> reset  your monitor with its own menu, might solve this
[19:10] <Guest2983> Hi everyone! I am having some trouble with my Kubuntu installation can I receive help here?
[19:15] <Maik> Guest2983: please describe the issue and wait for someone to respond. If no one is around ask in #ubuntu too and try searching the forums or askubuntu.com
[19:16] <Guest2983> I am not a heavy linux user I mostly use windows but I have an ssd with kubuntu installed that I switch to when I need linux to work on various projects. Usually I am able to boot into it with GRUB no problem but today when I try to boot into it I just get a black screen. I tried to do the boot repair and I have the pastebin from that but it didn't
[19:16] <Guest2983> work its still a black screen. Now I could just reinstall it as I dont have any important files on it but this isn't the first time I've had to reinstall it and I would like to find out how to repair it instead. Here is the pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hkxXRtQPYT/
[19:17] <Guest2983> I had that already typed out from elsewhere so it was easy to copy/paste haha
[19:18] <Guest2983> The only thing that might be connected to this is the fact that I got a new SSD enclosure today for an extra internal SSD I had laying around that I want to use with a raspberry pi so I first initialized the drive in windows then started to format it in windows but realized I should probably format it to ext4 which I didn't see an option for in
[19:18] <Guest2983> windows so i stopped the formatting and tried to boot up linux to format it there but I got the black screen
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[19:31] <jacklanser> I apologize I my client restarted and gave me a new guest nickname so i just decided to have one that doesnt change . I am the person that asked about the kubuntu boot problems above
 Just to clean things up. You are dualbooting Win + Kubuntu from a single SSD. It was working for a while and then suddenly you are getting just black screen, right? Are you getting it before you get into the GRUB menu, or after you select the Kubuntu in GRUB menu and letting it boot? (re @IrcsomeBot: <jacklanser> I apologize I my client restarted and gave me a new guest nickname so i just decided to have one that doesnt change . I am the person
[20:00] <jacklanser> No I have an NVME drive with windows installed and then a separate SSD with linux installed. The linux SSD is my boot drive as that boots up GRUB and I can select kubuntu or windows from there. Yes it was working for a while but now it is booting me to a black screen after I select Kubuntu from GRUB. Windows is working fine
 First thing I would try to is to check you have a multiple kernels installed. Maybe a new one was installed during some update, and it does not like something in your HW. In GRUB menu select "Advanced Options for Ubuntu". You will see list of all Kernels installed, select the older one and hit enter. See if it helps.
[20:38] <Maik> since you got disconnected: <Pixel> First thing I would try to is to check you have a multiple kernels installed. Maybe a new one was installed during some update, and it does not like something in your HW. In GRUB menu select "Advanced Options for Ubuntu". You will see list of all Kernels installed, select the older one and hit enter. See if it helps.
[20:38] <jacklanser> ok i will try that
[20:39] <jacklanser> seems like i have 3 different ones installed lol idk how that happened. Im selecting the oldest one
[20:42] <jacklanser> I selected it and now it is just saying "Loading Linux 5.11.0-27-generic Loading inital ramdisk..." and its not doing anything else I think it might be frozen
 What are the kernel versions that you have available?
 Likely this is relevant https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212133
[20:54] <jacklanser> I have versions 5.11.0-(46,37,27)-generic
[20:56] <jacklanser> But this is strange because I have not updated linux to a new version this is the same version that has always been working
[20:56] <jacklanser> Could a GPU driver update in windows affect the linux driver?
 You can get new kernels via updates, even when you are keeping the same version of Kubuntu
[20:58] <valorie> jacklanser: nvidia updates are sometimes troublesome
[20:58] <valorie> !nomodeset
[20:58] <jacklanser> Even if I haven't even booted kubuntu since the last time I was on it?
[20:58] <valorie> you might try that
[20:58] <valorie> otoh I have nvidia and have had no probs for years
[20:59] <valorie> but this is a system76 laptop and I have their graphics driver stuff installed although I don't use their popOS
[20:59] <oerheks>  GPU driver update in windows affect the linux driver? -- no.
[21:01] <jacklanser> The no mode set worked!
[21:02] <jacklanser> Now do I reinstall the GPU driver?
[21:03] <oerheks> just run updates properly and you are fine
[21:05] <jacklanser> Ok thank you! For the future. What could have caused this?
 You can always expect some level of randomness with nVidia on board 😉
[21:18] <Maik> they got disconnected again :)
 Since 21.10 cycling backwards through the applications with Alt-Shift-Tab isn't working any more. Any Ideas?
 Even though it is set up in the shortcuts:
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ea960844/file_54357.jpg
 How to change kernel in kubutnu?
 Im stuck at a kernel update and im unable to change it, there is no grub
[22:14] <mparillo> No grub. You may need to chroot from an installation USB to rebuild it. Then sudo apt update && sudi apt full-upgrade
[22:15] <mparillo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing


[00:30]  * Cheesehead drops by to read the scrollback
[01:11] <h00k> Cheesehead: not much
[01:11] <h00k> :(
[01:38] <mikeputnam> computers! wisconsin! open source!
[01:38]  * mikeputnam goes back into hiding
[01:44] <h00k> yes!
[01:44] <h00k> wooo.


[02:50] <rww> Hi. Any chance we could get "gnome" in the filename of ubuntu gnome dailies? It's caused confusion between it and Ubuntu a few times now over in the support channels :s
[03:10] <Noskcaj> rww, It's unlikely, none of the flavours do
[03:10] <rww> pout. okay, thanks anyway
[17:53] <Lsf_lf> hey, is Ubuntu Gnome-14.04 -yes or no?
[17:54] <Lsf_lf> sorry, is Ubuntu Gnome-14.04 a lts -yes or no?
[17:58]  * amjjawad is away: Be Right Back :)
[18:24] <Lsf_lf> can I really say no if ubuntu-gnome 14:04 now a LTS?


[08:53] <vigo> ahayzen, ping
[10:21] <ahayzen> vigo, hey, what's up?
[10:21] <vigo> ahayzen, :) heyy
[10:21] <vigo> could you please take a look at this?
[10:21] <vigo> https://trello.com/c/Bcq1nfg1/4041-2236-2236-ubuntu-printing-app-ubuntu-ui-extras-content-hub-qtubuntu-print-kenvandine-ahayzen
[10:22] <vigo> I wrote down a couple of things that were not working for me
[10:22] <ahayzen> vigo, yup, so the example-printing was only built for xenial, as we thought you'd be testing on that. I guess it can be build for zesty as well somehow.
[10:24] <vigo> ahayzen, as we're now focusing in zesty would be great having it :)
[10:24] <ahayzen> vigo, hmm that content-hub error shouldn't affect things, as it is address-book. I've also seen it before will need to remember what i did to get rid of it
[10:25] <ahayzen> vigo, heh yeah, seems there is a sudden new focus on zesty when we were told previously only xenial would be supported :')
[10:27] <ahayzen> vigo, i will need to check with ken how todo a build for zesty as the example-printing is a test package just for you guys :-) So will be later today when US comes online. And IIRC the content-hub error you should be able to safely ignore, but i'll double check
[10:30] <vigo> ahayzen, perfect, well I can take it a look in xenial for the time being :)
[10:31] <ahayzen> vigo, thanks :-)
[10:37] <vigo> ahayzen, yw! and please let me know when everything is ready to party on zesty :)
[10:39] <ahayzen> vigo, will do :-)


[00:38] <Vivekananda> hey everyone
[00:38] <Vivekananda> had a question about xquery
[00:38] <Vivekananda> anyone know it well
[00:39] <cerebrate> you prolly
[00:39] <cerebrate> know it well
[01:01] <cerebrate> if you share it with us we may find the answer
[01:02] <cerebrate> why not give me a try in private message (please send me your question in private message)
[03:41] <dexter12> Hi all just testing Irc out have been trying to get in for couple of days now
[03:43] <saintlulu> dexter12:
[03:43] <saintlulu> dexter12:  hello
[03:44] <dexter12> Ok I guess I got in
[03:44] <saintlulu> yes, you did so!  congrats
[03:44] <saintlulu> whanna go get your cloak?
[03:45] <dexter12> yes
[03:45] <wxl> jose?>
[03:45] <wxl> that you?
[03:45] <saintlulu> dexter12: just type /j freenode
[03:45] <dexter12> yes
[03:45] <wxl> alright!
[03:45] <wxl> they emailed you back?
[03:45] <saintlulu> wxl:  which one are you?
[03:45] <saintlulu> =))
[03:45] <wxl> saintlulu: guess :)
[03:46] <saintlulu> walter?
[03:46] <dexter12> Walter
[03:46] <wxl> yep
[03:46] <saintlulu> yah
[03:46] <saintlulu> cool
[03:46] <dexter12> ok so how do I finish this so it works for me all the time
[03:47] <saintlulu> lets get your cloak first, okay?
[03:47] <dexter12> Ok slow :o)
[03:47] <Unit193> Should actually move to #lubuntu-offtopic
[03:48] <saintlulu> Unit193: okay, we shall blow this pop stand
[03:48] <dexter12> I will try to go there
[03:48] <saintlulu> dexter12:  type /j  #freenode
[03:50] <saintlulu> then click on the new tab called freenode
[20:52] <pat> hi
[20:53] <pat> is there someone who use a trend net wi fi key ?
[21:08] <phillw> pat it seems not, have you tried on #ubuntu ?
[21:10] <phillw> pat you may also find http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336 of use, they're the specialists :)
[21:12] <pat> thank you i will see this link
[21:12] <pat> interesting
[21:20] <phiscribe> what does it take to play media over the network.  a file, video or music will be on a network share, (windows usb drive.)  i cant get audacious or vlc or anything to play it.  normaly i try to open via pcmanfm.  this is smb.  i can copy the file localy and it will play.
[21:24] <Guest69160> Hi everyone, could any one point me in the right direction to get the pepper flash plugin for Chromium on Lubuntu 12.10 64bit?
[21:25] <Unit193> phiscribe: What's the error in VLC?  IIRC, pcmanfm doesn't quite mount them right.
[21:28] <phiscribe> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'smb://edit/i/musicvids/RUN-DMC%20-%20It's%20Tricky.flv'.
[21:29] <metaP> k
[21:32] <phiscribe> audacious - - -    mpg123: Error opening smb://winky4/s/shared-music/music-sound/anaphylaxis%20-%20staticsoul-psychothriller_edit.mp3: Error reading the stream. (code 18).
[21:33] <Unit193> Exactly, it's how pcmanfm handles fuse mounts
[21:33] <Unit193> phiscribe: How do you mount them?
[21:33] <phiscribe> is there a workaround that you know of?
[21:34] <phiscribe> using some other method, a mount or anything
[21:34] <Unit193> I personally manually mount it, it's faster and doesn't have that issue.
[21:35] <Unit193> Something like //<IP_ADDRESS>/mount /mnt/host/mount/ cifs credentials=/root/creds,uid=1000,gid=1000 and you can put in file_mode and dir_mode too, I do.
[21:37] <metap> Hi everyone, I'm still very new to Lubuntu ... but where are the sound preferences?
[21:37] <phiscribe> mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs'
[21:37] <phiscribe> do i need some extra package instaled?
[21:40] <phiscribe> metap dont think there are sound prefrences.  alsamixer works best fo rme.
[21:43] <metap> phiscribe: I don't know very much ... but as a power user in Windows it looks like my Nvidia cards hdmi audio out is set as the default sound device or something?
[21:44] <metap> it's selected by default in alsamixer over my usb headset
[21:46] <Unit193> phiscribe: You used cifs?  cifs-utils
[21:46] <phiscribe> there are way via alsa to fix that.  it may be eaiser to try and install the xfce mixer.  it allows one to choose devices.
[21:48] <phiscribe> Unit193, i installed smbclient didnt help.  i tried with cifs and get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on smb://  just havent done a mount in awhile out of practice
[21:49] <phiscribe> installing cifs-utils now
[21:55] <phiscribe> ok Unit193 it seems to all work.  thanks for nudging me the right way.  i hope my bash history holds or ill forget how to do that hehe
[21:56] <Unit193> I have it in /etc/fstab so I don't have to remember. :P
[21:56] <metap> Anyone using Steam with Lubuntu? ;o
[21:56] <Unit193> Yep, but not me.
[21:56] <metap> hm
[21:57] <phiscribe> i move drives around enough they are only semi permanent.
[22:00] <cerebrate> i tried to install scii on ubuntu l
[22:00] <cerebrate> lubuntu i mean
[22:04] <Unit193> !steam
[22:12] <cerebrate> !starcraft
[22:13] <cerebrate> !starcraft2
[23:03] <jude0> what about starcraft/2
[23:06] <cerebrate> i wana run it on lubuntu
[23:06] <cerebrate> ofc :D :D