[01:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: If I understand correctly I'll need advocation from 2 motus before an motu will upload the package, correct?
[02:13] <yuriy> dear kded4, please stop dying
[03:09]  * JontheEchidna wonders when they'll release an nvidia-glx package that corresponds with the current kernel
[03:17]  * JontheEchidna sleeps
[03:45] <nixternal> jjesse: wth is up with Michigan..I was there since Friday and all it did was rain
[03:45] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!!!!!!
[03:45] <nixternal> hola
[03:46] <Jucato> it rained here too! whatta coinwinkydink :)
[03:46] <nixternal> I am trying to get ahold of my ride for Penguicon, and I don't even have his recent info...hrmm
[03:46] <nixternal> man, it rained for 36+ hours straight
[03:47] <Jucato> ride for penguicon? so simple. do a tuxcart :)
[03:47] <nixternal> hehe
[03:47] <nixternal> I emailed all of the chicago lists hoping he reads at least one of them
[03:48] <nixternal> otherwise jcastro's friend Gabriel and I will be walking :)
[03:48] <Jucato> Kopete 0.55 (KDE4) is freaky... since Yahoo pics don't work, it's like having so many green eyeballs staring at you...
[03:48] <nixternal> hehe
[03:49] <Jucato> how many days till Hardy?
[03:49] <Jucato> !countdown
[03:49] <Jucato> :P
[03:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about countdown - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:46] <ScottK2> Riddell, yuriy (and one of you please tell awen when he's next around) - Just uploaded kde-guidance again.  yuriy (and awen) thanks for contributing.
[04:57] <yuriy> ScottK2: thanks :) hope it doesn't cause 100 other bugs this time
[04:58]  * ScottK2 too since I uploaded this one ;-)
[04:58] <ScottK2> I did look for issues that might break the api and I think this one is clean.
[04:59] <yuriy> and this is why *some* languages have private functions
[05:00] <ScottK2> Python does too if you properly wrap them inside an object.
[05:18] <yuriy> iijm or do we need to do a better job of milestoning bugs?
[05:24] <ScottK2> restricted-manager-core, ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu, jockey-common, and displayconfig-gtk are all rdepends of guidance-backends, so in retrospect we should have tested/thought it through better.
[05:24] <ScottK2> This late in the cycle it'd have made sense to at lease download them and grep the source to see if they called the function we were changing.
[05:27] <yuriy> my remark was unrelated, at least not directly. i noticed that you said it was a fix for a milestoned bug and i think that's the first time i've heard that for kubuntu
[05:28] <yuriy> i've seen bugs "nominated" sometimes but never a milestone, and i dont' even know how one gets set
[05:28] <ScottK2> Ah.
[05:34] <yuriy> heh https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/egonas1 i guess that's complete
[05:35]  * ScottK2 needs to get to bed.   Oo
[06:38] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok u r more then welcome to go ahead and fix it im sure i can find some other bugs i can fix or stuff i can pkg
[06:38] <apachelogger> that sounds like giving up
[06:38] <eagles0513875> im not givign up im just rather busy and im probably no where near getting everything i need setup i need setup my gpg key
[06:39] <eagles0513875> and probably a whole buch of other stuff as well ill see what i can do im really going to try get it done pkged and everything by tomorrow though
[06:40] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you probably should digg in the packaging howto some days, because that fix is actually straight forward considering I even gave you a step-by-step howto
[06:40] <Jucato> "digg in"? :D
[06:40] <apachelogger> digg.com
[06:40] <Jucato> hehe :D
[06:41] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: thats what i was doing before i broke everything reading it goign through it and setting stuff up
[06:41] <apachelogger> Oo
[06:41] <apachelogger> there are like 3 things you need to setup for a packging fix
[06:42] <eagles0513875> im goign to have to take a step back no setup my chroot environment again then all the pkgs needed then the gpg key
[06:43] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: just in case.... you know what a gpg key is, right?
[06:44] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: it functions as a signature of the maintainer
[06:44] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: do you think it might be important to backup that key?
[06:44] <eagles0513875> ya
[06:44] <apachelogger> ok, please do so right after you re-created one :P
[06:44] <eagles0513875> ok good thing i hadnt verified it yet lol
[06:46] <eagles0513875> after i get kernel update im off for now i have lectures today. going to try and get things done
[06:47] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ill be on later today
[06:48] <apachelogger> aye
[06:48]  * apachelogger has an english exam in half an hour
[06:48] <apachelogger> and no clue which topics he should know about
[07:02] <stdin> apachelogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/kde4-backports/kde4.0 :)
[07:03] <apachelogger> stdin: bluetiful :D
[07:04] <apachelogger> hm, someone write tdown that word
[07:04] <apachelogger> bluetiful = KDE version of beautiful
[07:17] <stdin> hmm, my short "here's a bzr repo" email to k-m-kde4 has turned into a small essay...
[07:21] <yuriy> apachelogger: so SuSE isn't the KDE version of beautiful?
[08:02] <_StefanS_> hey there
[08:28] <hads> c
[09:26] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: im back
[10:07] <eagles0513875> what pkgs can diff and patch and lintian and linda be found in
[10:07] <jpatrick> apachelogger: pong, sorry no net at home
[10:07] <jpatrick> Riddell: ping
[10:08] <eagles0513875> sup j
[10:08] <jpatrick> hey eagles0513875
[10:08] <Jucato> !info patch
[10:08] <ubotu> patch (source: patch): Apply a diff file to an original. In component main, is optional. Version 2.5.9-4 (gutsy), package size 93 kB, installed size 188 kB
[10:08] <Jucato> !info diff
[10:08] <ubotu> diff (source: diffutils): File comparison utilities. In component main, is required. Version 2.8.1-12ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 110 kB, installed size 744 kB
[10:08] <Jucato> :)
[10:09] <eagles0513875> so those r already incleded somewhere in all this
[10:09]  * Jucato introduces eagles0513875 to http://packages.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <eagles0513875> Jucato: im there already lol
[10:09]  * Hobbsee suggests using command-not-found to find them.
[10:09] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: you appear to be incapable of using it?
[10:09] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu-es.org/ appears to be up and running, I'll have to poke rouzic about who runs it..
[10:10]  * eagles0513875 :\ needs to remember to use it
[10:16] <apachelogger> jpatrick: nvm
[10:17] <apachelogger> yuriy: suse gnome > suse kde
[10:17] <jpatrick> apachelogger: aww :(
[10:17] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: lol
[10:18] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, if you want to backport amarok to gutsy.... ;-)
[10:18] <eagles0513875> kde4 has taken on the suse look
[10:18] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: orly?
[10:18] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: the setup is proceeding at a rapid pace
[10:18] <eagles0513875> orly??
[10:18] <jpatrick> apachelogger: funny, someone was asking for that in #kubuntu-es
[10:19] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: u r not up2date
[10:19] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, it's out for 2 days now, and even longer in hardy ;-)
[10:19] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: the lay out of the k menu now in kde4 is vry similar to open suse kde 3.5 layout
[10:19] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: well, it got adopted
[10:19] <Jucato> eagles0513875: naturally
[10:20] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:20] <eagles0513875> i hate to say it kde4 still has long way to go
[10:20] <Jucato> it has been ported from/based on Kickoff, so of course it would look like Kickoff
[10:20] <eagles0513875> its going to be rather nice once it comes out
[10:20] <jpatrick> apachelogger: well, I'll look into it when I can.. probably this afternoon
[10:21] <Jucato> unless you're running trunk, I won't qualify that as an accurate conclusion :)
[10:21] <eagles0513875> let me make sure i go this stright to pkg u need to have setup a chroot gpg key and u have to update or crate a new changelog in source before repackaging
[10:22] <eagles0513875> !gpg
[10:22] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[10:23]  * apachelogger agrees with Jucato
[10:23]  * apachelogger is compiling trunk again
[10:23] <apachelogger> only took me 4 months ;-)
[10:24] <Jucato> Warning: probable borkage due to porting of Plasma to WoC
[10:24] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:24] <eagles0513875> i somehow borked my installation last night
[10:24] <apachelogger> plasma is overrated
[10:24] <apachelogger> kdesktop ftw :P
[10:24] <Jucato> hahah :)
[10:25] <eagles0513875> im trying to not bork it again today and get this bug fixed and checked by apache
[10:25]  * apachelogger is wondering how to break a system with a packging fix anyway :P
[10:25] <eagles0513875> i have chroot setup and gpg key which i need to verify is that all i need to setup
[10:25] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: lol i was screwing around with some things and it borked it
[10:26] <eagles0513875> is anyone else experiencing this when i type sudo init 6 for some reason the screen goes blank and hangs even when using the icons to shutdown or restart it just gives me a black screen and hangs
[10:27] <eagles0513875> im on 64bit hardy
[10:27] <apachelogger> stdin: nice mail
[10:28]  * Jucato has a very nice memory of the chroot instructions in the packaging guide :)
[10:29] <Jucato> the guide suggested mounting (binding?) /home to the chroot... and one morning, upon waking up, I ran rm -rf / in the chroot to clean it... then I wondered why it's taking so long :)
[10:29] <Jucato> before I knew it... my 32GB /home was reduced to about 10GB :)
[10:29] <apachelogger> ô mon dieu!
[10:30] <apachelogger> c'est terrible
[10:30] <jpatrick> Jucato: I once cleared /var and I went from 8GB to 2GB :/
[10:30] <Jucato> :/
[10:31] <eagles0513875> knowing me i would have borked my whole install lol
[10:31] <eagles0513875> lol and funny thing im working on my linux cert
[10:32] <Jucato> word of advice.. just dont't mount/bind your /home in your chroot (as the guide formerly suggested)...
[10:33] <eagles0513875> i didnt do anything of the sort just created the chroot
[10:33] <eagles0513875> had it build it at least
[10:34] <eagles0513875> need to log out and back in really fast brb
[10:35]  * Jucato begins the timer
[10:36] <CheGuevara> eagles0513875, which certification
[10:36] <CheGuevara> am thinking about it as well
[10:36] <eagles0513875> lpi(linux professional institute) 101
[10:36] <eagles0513875> yay i didnt bork anything getting my virtual box to work
[10:37] <eagles0513875> im learning on centos cuz alot of questions are asked on it nice thing when u r taking the exam u can specify if ur going ot be using a debian or redhat aka centos os as ur os for answering the questions
[10:38] <eagles0513875> there r 4 parts to the lpi certification with the hardest one being the first one
[10:39] <CheGuevara> hmm thanks
[10:41] <eagles0513875> no problem ill be in here quite alot so if u have any other questions feel free to ask
[10:42] <CheGuevara> kk
[10:43] <ryanakca> stdin: wouldn't a simple checkout suffice (instead of a branch?)
[10:43] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: why not use debian?
[10:44] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: dunno
[10:44] <eagles0513875> contact lpi
[10:44] <eagles0513875> ask them lol
[10:45] <eagles0513875> in the case of my course alot of the hands on stuff we r doing is on a centos vm
[10:46] <eagles0513875> which im doing on virtual box
[10:47] <eagles0513875> has anyone had any reboot or shutdown issues with hardy
[10:50] <eagles0513875> how do i back up my gpg key
[10:50] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: cp -r ~/.gnupg /some/where
[10:52] <eagles0513875> what file is it thats in that folder
[10:52] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: or: gpg --output mykey.gpg --armor --export-secret-keys keyID
[10:53] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: it's encrypted in secring.gpg
[10:53] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: just make sure the secret key is kept safe
[10:54] <eagles0513875> could i just do a simple cp
[10:54] <eagles0513875> to the secring
 eagles0513875: cp -r ~/.gnupg /some/where <--- simple cp
[10:55] <eagles0513875> i know bout that but what i would like to know is will the machine still be able to read the copied file or would jpatricks other way be better
[10:56] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: well, either way, they'll still need your passphrase
[10:56] <eagles0513875> gotcha lol im goign to kiss(keep it simple stupid) lol with me and my borking record i think simple is the best
[10:58]  * jpatrick out
[10:58] <eagles0513875> later j
[11:01] <eagles0513875> anything else i need besides pbuilder and those other pkgs and a gpg key
[11:05] <eagles0513875> !changelog
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about changelog - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: here goes nothing im goign to start fixing these bugs
[11:11] <apachelogger> aye
[11:14] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i have a chroot envrionment setup gpg key as well is that all i need
[11:16] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: pre-fixing, yes
[11:16] <eagles0513875> ok *breathes deeply* hope what i do is to ur satisfaction
[11:17] <jussi01> !u | eagles0513875
[11:17] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:17] <eagles0513875> darn it
[11:17]  * eagles0513875 bangs head on desk till starts bleeding slightly
[11:18] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: all i have to do is mod the change log right
[11:18] <apachelogger> hm
[11:18] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[11:18] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:18] <eagles0513875> lol i didnt say it that time lol
[11:19] <apachelogger> still the question is a miracle to me
[11:19] <apachelogger> if it is a question at all
[11:19] <eagles0513875> my question is this do i create a new change log or modify the one thats there
[11:20] <eagles0513875> and if i just have to modify it how do i go about doing so
[11:20] <Hobbsee> dch -i.
[11:20] <eagles0513875> will that allow me to modify the one thats already there
[11:20] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:21] <eagles0513875> now i did that and its saying that its not writable
[11:22] <Hobbsee> why not?
[11:22] <apachelogger> did you unpack the sources as root? Oo
[11:23] <eagles0513875> i used apt-get
[11:23] <eagles0513875> on the cli
[11:23] <eagles0513875> nm answered my own question
[11:27] <eagles0513875> darn changelog froze kate for me
[11:28] <eagles0513875> what does dch -i
[11:28] <CheGuevara> adds a new changelog entry
[11:29] <eagles0513875> ok for some reason brought up a blank like kate doc
[11:29] <eagles0513875> so i just write to that and it saves it to the change log
[12:12] <eagles0513875> im back
[12:13] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: is it essential that i be using the latest kernel
[12:13] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping #2
[12:14] <Riddell> jpatrick: so you've no idea who's running it?
[12:20] <Riddell> how about a meeting at wednesday at 11?
[12:20] <Riddell> Serega? kwwii? Hobbsee?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> utc, or?
[12:21] <eagles0513875> when i do sudo kate dhc -i it brings me a blank kate screen does this automatically then append it to the changelog
[12:21] <Hobbsee> ....
[12:21] <Serega> Riddell: Hi, Jonathan. It would be cool.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> dch -i is a command, not a file name.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> you're trying to edit the non-existant file, dch.
[12:22] <eagles0513875> i got it no
[12:22] <eagles0513875> w
[12:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 11:00utc
[12:28] <Hobbsee> what's a place with utc time?
[12:28] <eagles0513875> O_o
[12:29] <Riddell> nowhere that I know
[12:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[12:29] <Riddell> maybe iceland
[12:29] <Riddell> ascention island?
[12:29] <eagles0513875> want me to google
[12:30] <awen_> iceland, azores ... and some places in W. africa
[12:31] <eagles0513875> lol sierra leon
[12:31] <eagles0513875> u guys would find this rather useful
[12:31] <eagles0513875> http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx
[12:32] <Hobbsee> i do use that, but i prefer to use the gnome clock applet
[12:33] <eagles0513875> lol i got so upset last night when i borked my kde4 and whole installation last night
[12:33] <awen_> eagles0513875: i like that you say "i borked" ;)
[12:34] <Artemis_Fowl> nah. don't you know your time zone? I for instance am in +2 so if I would like to be in the meeting 13:00 o' clock would be the time
[12:34] <eagles0513875> im in central europe llol i know im 7 hrs ahead of central us time lol
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is that our usual meeting time?
[12:35] <eagles0513875> awen_: i did bork it lol was hoping to get this bug that needs urgent fixing fixed last night lol im actulally  slowly working on it as we speak
[12:35] <awen_> the clock applet in kde3 has support for showing multiple timezones on mouse-over ... rather useful
[12:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it is
[12:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well, it was before summer time
[12:36] <Riddell> we could change it for summer time
[12:36] <Riddell> or whatever the australian equivalent is :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:36] <Hobbsee> then again, am i likely to be running kubuntu in the near future?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> i'm already likely to be thrown off the council
[12:37] <eagles0513875> :(
[12:37] <awen_> eagles0513875: he ... /me often uses virtual machines for the first critical test
[12:37] <Riddell> council membership it due for renewal in May
[12:37] <\sh> Hobbsee, but you are still on motu-release?  :)
[12:38] <eagles0513875> my borking of my entire install had nothing to do with the bug im working on its just me pulling a stupid one and 2ndly im on my old laptop since i cant get kubuntu on my new one so this is more like my test machine lol
[12:40] <eagles0513875> what would be nice so people dont bork their installations is that if they run e2fsck it asks if they want to schedule one at next boot up link windows does when the drives in use
[12:40] <Hobbsee> \sh: depends who's asking, and why :)
[12:40] <eagles0513875> awen_: thats how i ended up borking my install
[12:41] <\sh> Hobbsee, yokozar and I are in need an ack for a ia32-lib change :)
[12:41] <awen_> eagles0513875: sounds like a sure success of borking ... I
[12:41] <Hobbsee> \sh: you'll need me very drunk for that.
[12:42] <eagles0513875> awen_: lol yep j/w you experienceing any shutdown reboot issues cuz i seem to be either when i use the icons on the k menu or in command line with init 6 or 0 my screen goes black and nothing happens just hangs there and never reboots or turns off
[12:42] <\sh> Hobbsee, really :) it just needs a new lib inside..bug #182731 .. so we can fix the last sound issues on amd64 and PA for wine :)
[12:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182731 in ia32-libs "Provide a lib32asound2-plugins package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182731
[12:44] <\sh> Hobbsee, a debdiff is not usable for this package, though
[12:45] <eagles0513875> awen_: what controls the rebooting and shutdown sequences
[12:46] <awen_> eagles0513875: what i know it is the init scripts ... and some udev stuff
[12:46] <eagles0513875> i am thinking i might have found a rather critical bug that im bout to file
[12:47] <eagles0513875> cuz when i issue init 0 or 6 or use the log out buttons all i get is a blank scree no shutting down or no rebooting
[12:48] <awen_> eagles0513875: could be a very borked init-script or something like that... if it is on the borked pc
[12:48] <eagles0513875> awen_: i did a clean install this morning
[12:50] <awen_> eagles0513875: that is not good then ... maybe some of the log-files can reveal at least where it stalls?
[12:50] <eagles0513875> awen_: lol one bug at a time i need to get this bug fixed before tomorrow then i can work on something else
[12:51] <eagles0513875> awen_: where can i find the logs
[12:51] <Hobbsee> !logs
[12:51] <ubotu> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[12:51] <eagles0513875> wrong logs Hobbsee
[12:52] <eagles0513875> not of the irc my machines logs lol
[12:52] <Hobbsee>  /var/log
[12:52] <awen_> eagles0513875: he, of course ... you can look in /var/log
[12:52] <jussio1> or use ksystemlog if you are a real gui type.... :P
[12:53] <awen_> eagles0513875: also try booting without the splash and quiet options ... will give you a lot more verbose output when changing runlevels
[12:53] <eagles0513875> awen_: already taken care of
[12:53] <awen_> eagles0513875: :)
[12:53] <eagles0513875> me no likey the splashy screenie lol
[12:54] <eagles0513875> what log do i need to look at exactly
[12:55] <awen_> eagles0513875: messages and syslog is usually a good place to start
[12:55] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:56] <eagles0513875> im going to go ahead and file a bug report for it and upload those 2 files
[12:56] <eagles0513875> i think otherwise ill do some sifting through the logs myself and see if i can fix it
[13:00] <eagles0513875> im off to a gd start just updated the changelog
[13:00] <eagles0513875> *good
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: *poke* for re-revu
[13:02] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: hi.  i got your video and i looked over it last night.  haven't had much chance to do more than that tho
[13:03] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i got a question for ya before i do something and it borks things up for everyone else
[13:03] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: good. how did it look like?
[13:03] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: like i said, i had concerned about how you put pages in tabs.. but other than that i didnt spend too much time on analysis yet
[13:04] <eagles0513875> awen_: u think u might help me out before i bork something up on the fix im working on
[13:04] <eagles0513875> awen_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/216529
[13:04] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: hmm...I think I will have to release soon so any changes you suggest will have to wait for the next version
[13:05] <eagles0513875> Artemis_Fowl: what u working on
[13:05] <Artemis_Fowl> eagles0513875: KGRUBEditor: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KGRUBEditor?content=75442
[13:05] <awen_> awen_: just ask, if there is anything you want me to test / look at
[13:06] <awen_> eagles0513875: ^^
[13:06]  * awen_ is obviosly a bit self-centered today :P
[13:06] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: this is for hardy?
[13:06] <ScottK2> awen_: Thanks for the Guidance update.
[13:06] <eagles0513875> awen_: can u take a look at that bug
[13:06] <ScottK2> I uploaded it last night.
[13:07] <eagles0513875> im not sure what in the source cod ei have to change
[13:07] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: not really. but all the features I intened for this release are almost done
[13:07] <awen_> ScottK2: i saw it this morning ... thanks to you also
[13:07]  * ScottK2 crosses fingers.
[13:08] <awen_> eagles0513875: it's the debian/control file that has to be changed
[13:08] <eagles0513875> awen_: so i change the kde4 to kde3
[13:08] <awen_> ScottK2: yeah, me too
[13:08] <eagles0513875> anythign that says kde4 in there or will it only bork stuff
[13:08]  * awen_ has definately used his quota for breakage for this release
[13:09] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: please consider in your analysis that it is highly probable that a SystemSettings module will be created as a derivative from KGRUBEditor
[13:09] <eagles0513875> awen_: lol so im guessing u dont know
[13:09] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: yes, which makes the pages on your second tab even more problematic
[13:09] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: :)
[13:10] <awen_> eagles0513875: it's a packaging issue ... right now it says that you should either install kdebase-bin-kde3 or kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 ... this should be changed to only kdebase-bin-kde3
[13:10] <eagles0513875> only thing im finding is dependencies that say kde4
[13:10] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: the Add/Edit/Copy/Remove Entry used to be actions in the toolbar and in the perspective of this becoming a module, I turned them into buttons
[13:11]  * ScottK2 heads off for a day at Disney World.  See you all later.
[13:11] <eagles0513875> later ScottK2
[13:11] <awen_> ScottK2: enjoy
[13:11]  * eagles0513875 wishes apachelogger was here lol
[13:12] <awen_> eagles0513875: hmm ... try look at the changelog; might already be fixed
[13:12] <eagles0513875> awen_: it hasnt been
[13:13]  * eagles0513875 off to get some food
[13:13] <awen_> eagles0513875: here ... look at "aptitude show kdebase-bin"
[13:13] <awen_> eagles0513875: right in the beginning of the depends line
[13:14] <eagles0513875> im looking at the kdebase-bin-runtime-4.0.3
[13:14] <awen_> look at "kdebase-bin" directly
[13:15] <eagles0513875> awen_: i c what ur saying but im looking at the source code i have on my machine
[13:15] <eagles0513875> im looking at the debian control of what i mentioned above and im not finding anything
[13:15] <eagles0513875> am i looking in the right place
[13:16] <awen_> eagles0513875: you should be ... can you find the kdebase-bin package there
[13:16] <eagles0513875> not there u want me to pastbin the control file
[13:17] <awen_> eagles0513875: which source-package are you looking at?
[13:17] <eagles0513875> awen_: the kdebase-runtime
[13:18] <eagles0513875> awen_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63167/
[13:18] <awen_> eagles0513875: it has been filed wrong, you should look in kdebase ... use "apt-get source kdebase-bin" to be sure to get the correct source to the binary package
[13:18] <eagles0513875> ok im going to change the pkg
[13:19] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: if it turns in to a module, you have to be prepared that you won't be able to use the implicit save and will have to use save/cancel/reset functions instead
[13:19] <eagles0513875> awen_: i have kdebase it also seems like the bug is in the runtime as well
[13:19] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: yes. I know
[13:19] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: go read the packging guide
[13:19] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: this is one of the incomplete features yet
[13:20] <awen_> eagles0513875: the last comment by apachelogger is about a package in kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[13:20] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: which will be in the impending release
[13:20] <eagles0513875> awen_: ok
[13:20] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok
[13:20] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I've got the structure, so it won't be at all hard
[13:20] <seele> ok
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> I have to be leaving in a minute or two here.
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> So see you all later
[13:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: last thing before I leave: consider the *uniqueness* of the app and its special needs. I am afraid the conventional methods won't fit to it
[13:37]  * seele doesnt think its all that unique..
[13:46] <Tm_T> hi hi
[13:56] <awen_> is it just me, or has flash gone broken in konqueror?
[14:03] <eagles0513875> back
[14:05] <Riddell> awen_: kde 3 or 4?
[14:05] <awen_> Riddell: kde3
[14:06] <smarter> awen_: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't... reloading the page does the trick most of the time
[14:06] <awen_> smarter: it works only 20 % of the time here ... less than a week ago it worked flawlessly :(
[14:07] <awen_> and some pages using flash is simply impossible to get to work
[14:07] <smarter> example?
[14:07] <seele> Riddell: ping
[14:08] <awen_> smarter: http://youtube.com
[14:09] <awen_> when it doesn't work, it also partly locks ... can't use shortcut keys, can't mark text in the address bar etc.
[14:12] <Riddell> hi seele
[14:13] <seele> hi Riddell
[14:13] <seele> have you seen this kgrubeditor?
[14:13] <Riddell> seele: not closely
[14:14] <seele> did something change with how kernels are updated that makes having a grub editor a good ide anow?
[14:14] <seele> i thought that anytime you update a kernel via adept it rewrites the grub config options
[14:15] <Riddell> seele: yes it should
[14:16] <Riddell> common use cases are windows overwriting the boot loader with its own so you can't get into linux any more (run from live CD to fix)
[14:16] <Riddell> changing the default boot option (e.g. from linux to windows)
[14:16] <Riddell> and compiling your own linux build and adding that (although that sort of user should be able to edit grub themselves I guess)
[14:17] <seele> did the user types change?  before i think it was mostly for non admins because admins would still want to edit the file by hand
[14:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: none at all
[14:17] <seele> there are a lot more grub options in this UI, which is fine if that is what we're going for.  Artemis said there were more options he was trying to add
[14:17] <eagles0513875> that explains y my centos vm installation keeps getting borked lol
[14:18] <Riddell> jpatrick: spooky
[14:18] <awen_> smarter: does it work for you in konqueror?
[14:18] <smarter> awen_: most of the time, yes
[14:19] <awen_> smarter: but no regression compared to a week ago?
[14:19] <smarter> No
[14:23] <jjesse> morning :)
[14:23] <jpatrick> morning jjesse
[14:24] <Jucato> morning jjesse
[14:27] <jjesse> morning Jucato and jpatrick
[14:27] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: almost got the first of the bug sorted just have to update the change log and repackage
[14:28] <apachelogger> cool
[14:29] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: have the kdebase-bin almost ready for repackaging in regards to the 2nd part of ur submition  i have to get kdebase-runtime and make sure its using kde3 base right
[14:31] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: -runtime is a KDE 4 package
[14:31] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: could u explain to me what the 2nd bug is
[14:33] <apachelogger> kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 shouldn't replace/conflict kdebase-bin-kde3
[14:33] <apachelogger> since they are using completely different paths
[14:34] <eagles0513875> so what needs to be done just this bug where i remove what u mentioned up top
[14:34] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: read my last comment
[14:34] <apachelogger> it includes an AND
[14:34] <apachelogger> which pretty much makes it 2 issues which have to be fixed in order to resolve the bug
[14:41] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: so i have to look in the kdebase-runtime-bin kde4 and do like i did above
[14:42] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: above?
[14:43] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: do i do like i did in the original bug but fix it in the kdebase-runtime-bin kde4
[14:44] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: read my last comment on the bug and evaluate whether the stuff before the AND sounds like the stuff after the AND
[14:44] <apachelogger> if it doesn't you probably have to do something different
[14:44] <apachelogger> same file however
[14:44] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:45] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i only found one instance of kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 it was the dependency issue u mentioned above
[14:46] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: read my last comment on the bug again and evaluate whether the 2 issues are in the same source package
[14:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ping ?
[14:49] <Tonio_> ScottK: ping too ;)
[14:49] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: they would be in the same source pkg no
[14:50]  * jpatrick waves at Tonio_
[14:50] <Tonio_> hey jpatrick :)
[14:50] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: really?
[14:50] <apachelogger> !kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[14:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: pong
[14:50] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[14:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: may I ping you for an emergency ?
[14:51] <apachelogger> hm
[14:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bug 217266
[14:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sure
[14:51] <Tonio_> I know it's a bit late for NEW packages, but as this is part of the linagora/canonical partnetship, I think it should be okay :)
[14:51] <Hobbsee> no ubotu in here?
[14:51] <Hobbsee> got the URL?
[14:51]  * Hobbsee is lazy
[14:52] <jussio1> ubotu: test
[14:52] <ubotu> Failed.
[14:52] <jpatrick> ubotu lies
[14:52] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[14:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/217266
[14:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217266 in ubuntu "FeatureFreeze Exception for new package OBM" [Undecided,New]
[14:53]  * apachelogger is just br0ke packages.ubuntu.com -.-
[14:53] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: *sigh* does this happen to be in the kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 source
[14:53] <eagles0513875> but in that i find any kde3 base depenencies
[14:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: would be good to say what it actually does, etc
[14:53] <jpatrick> interesting: http://www.linagora.com/
[14:53] <Hobbsee> and why we'd want it
[14:54] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: -(/usr/share/apps:$)-> dpkg -s kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 | grep Replaces:
[14:54] <apachelogger> Replaces: kdebase-bin (<< 4:3.96.0), kdebase-bin-kde3
[14:55] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: appears like it to me
[14:55] <jpatrick> Tonio_: control says: "Changed-By: Sylvain Garcia<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:55] <apachelogger> smarter: do you have the debdiff for konversation?
[14:55] <jpatrick> Tonio_: shouldn't that be Original-Maintainer?
[14:55] <smarter> apachelogger: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/
[14:57] <apachelogger> smarter: please mention in the changelog that this is an upstream patch, makes new upstream releases easier
[14:57] <apachelogger> then attach it to the bug report
[14:57] <smarter> ok
[14:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bah, I say it, that's a groupware application :)
[14:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and we want it cause that was discusses with canonical and my company in fact
[14:59] <smarter> apachelogger: "Added kubuntu_04_dcc_crash.diff taken from upstream SVN to prevent Konversation from crashing when a DCC Chat request is sent. (LP: #60898)" is okay?
[14:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what details would you like me to add ?
[14:59]  * awen_ got his flash working ... after purging anything remotely flash-related, removing some left-over .so's, and reinstalling again
[14:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what it is, why we want it, and what it gains us to put it in.  Oh, and how stable it is
[14:59] <apachelogger> smarter: just add a linebreak and write 'Upstream fix:  WEBSVNURL'
[15:00] <apachelogger> or Fixed in upstream SVN
[15:00] <apachelogger> something like that
[15:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: btw, are you going to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo-kde4/+bug/191264 before hardy?
[15:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191264 in kdesudo-kde4 "KDE4: sudo removes /usr/lib/kde4/bin from PATH: e.g. "sudo kate" fails" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:01] <apachelogger> seems like an important issue because currently one can't start a KDE 4 app with sudo without using the complete path
[15:02] <smarter> people should use kdesu anyway
[15:02] <smarter> sudo with GUI apps == bad
[15:02] <apachelogger> smarter: that is the issue
[15:02] <apachelogger> if kdesudo doesn't work either
[15:02] <apachelogger> I can't say don't use sudo for gui apps
[15:03] <apachelogger> as the gui app to start gui apps with sudo is not working either ;-)
[15:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yes, that's on my plans
[15:03] <apachelogger> k
[15:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I added the informations you need
[15:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you're working on this, as part of your contract?
[15:07] <Tonio_> this app is developped by my company in fact
[15:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and including it in ubuntu repos was discussed in between canonical and my company a few month ago
[15:07] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: just to confirm i understod in the 2nd bug i have to remove any mention of kdebase-bin-kde3
[15:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: so, it will get good QA, and it should only require one shot to get it right, i assume.
[15:08] <Tonio_> I know we are very late this time :/
[15:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure
[15:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no problem concerning both the application and the package, they'll be maintained
[15:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we have been testing the package for weeks now to unsure everything works out of the box as it should
[15:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: given first ack
[15:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can ensure you no other upload will be needed (long QA is the reason the package is that late in fact...)
[15:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: super thanks
[15:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you may want to put sections of this log into the bug, for the second ack
[15:10] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: not any
[15:10] <eagles0513875> just where it says replaces
[15:10] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: yeah, AND conflicts
[15:11] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:11] <eagles0513875> sweet then i need to just change the changelog and pkg :)
[15:11] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: do i remove this whole line of replaces
[15:11] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: kdebase-bin (<< 4:3.96.0), kdebase-bin-kde3
[15:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: will do
[15:11] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: no
[15:12] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:12] <apachelogger> apparently kdebase-bin was until 4:3.96 created from the KDE 4 package
[15:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: thanks
[15:12] <apachelogger> so it would replace those versions of -bin
[15:12] <eagles0513875> ok got it
[15:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I now have to wait for ScottK2 sI suspect :)
[15:15] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: thanks for all ur patience with me
[15:16] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: when building do i have to be in the same folder with all the source code
[15:17] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you should run debuild -S -sa && sudo pbuilder build ../NAMEOFNEWDSCFILE
[15:17] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: or did you create a manual chroot?
[15:18] <eagles0513875> i used the command that u run in the command line to create one
[15:19] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[15:19] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[15:19] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: which command is that?
[15:19]  * Hobbsee wonders how many times that has been given to eagles0513875, and how many times it will be further required
[15:19] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: sudo pbuilder create
[15:19] <eagles0513875> im getting better at not doing that
[15:22] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:22] <apachelogger> ah
[15:22] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: yeah, debuild -S -sa
[15:22] <eagles0513875> and the dsc file
[15:22] <apachelogger> to create the signed source files
[15:22] <apachelogger> then sudo pbuilder build DSCFILE
[15:22] <apachelogger> to get it built
[15:22] <eagles0513875> do i have to be in that folder to sign it
[15:23] <apachelogger> yes you have to be in the source directory
[15:26] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63187/
[15:28] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ignore that i figured it out i think
[15:29] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i cant get it to sign for some reason and im in the source directory
[15:31] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: what's the output?
[15:31] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63187/
[15:31] <eagles0513875> seems like im getting an error
[15:31] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:31] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the files are missing
[15:31] <eagles0513875> what files r missing
[15:32] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the ones listed in the output
[15:32] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i didnt touch any of that stuff
[15:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:33] <apachelogger> you didn't install it
[15:33] <eagles0513875> install debhelper
[15:34] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: install cdbs
[15:35] <eagles0513875> then try it again
[15:36] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: its working now
[15:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how many acknoledgements are required to upload ?
[15:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I have now 2 with you and ScottK
[15:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I suspect 3 no ?
[15:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no, that's fin
[15:39] <Hobbsee> e
[15:40] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63190/
[15:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay I'll remove the changed-by line and upload ;) thanks
[15:41] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: either your key is not accessible
[15:41] <apachelogger> or you used another email address/name
[15:41] <apachelogger> or it is broken
[15:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: np
[15:43] <Riddell> hmm, our wednesday meetings are usually in the evening
[15:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: when is the next meeting?
[15:43] <Riddell> how about wednesday 22:00utc?
[15:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee, Tonio_, Serega?
[15:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: fine with me
[15:44] <Serega> Riddell: very good, even better than 11:00utc
[15:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can process NEW right ?
[15:45] <Riddell> nixternal, kwwii?
[15:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: I can
[15:45] <Hobbsee> might be there
[15:46] <Riddell> Lure?
[15:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, so could you look at the package "obm" when it get's in ? I just uploaded
[15:47]  * eagles0513875 getting uberly frustrated with my gpg key
[15:47] <eagles0513875> i know i have one i uploaded it and verified it
[15:47] <apachelogger> did you use the same email address?!!????
[15:48] <eagles0513875> yes
[15:48] <kwwii> Riddell: yo yo
[15:48] <eagles0513875> the same one i use to login to launchpad
[15:48] <kwwii> sounds good to me
[15:48] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the one you used in the debian changelog!
[15:49] <eagles0513875> yes it is the same email as the one i use for launchpad and my key
[15:50] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: in this case you don't have your private key used as private key
[15:50] <apachelogger> install kgpg and ensure it detects your private key as the default one
[15:50] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: its the only one i have
[15:50] <eagles0513875> set it as default
[15:52] <eagles0513875> ill be back from another location
[15:53] <eagles0513875> what does it mean when it says unsafe ownership in the gnupg.conf file
[15:54]  * JontheEchidna is back
[15:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I have to re-upload obm with a latest fix.... I'll ping you once uploaded
[15:55] <Tonio_> probably toonight
[15:55] <Riddell> oops
[15:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I revued coremoid, mostly polishing is needed
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Are you talking the revu you did about 10 hours ago or so?
[15:56] <apachelogger> yes
[15:56] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: could it be my key has not been signed
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> I have made the changes and reuploaded
[15:57] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: did you follow the ubuntu wiki?
[15:57] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:57] <apachelogger> precisely
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=2241&upid2=2233
[15:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: cool
[15:57] <eagles0513875> ya verified it on launchpad
[15:58] <eagles0513875> ill be back in a lil bit
[15:58] <eagles0513875> nneed to relocate for now
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I noticed that coremoid doesn't install its icon to /usr/share/icons but advertises in its .desktop file that it is using an icon. I notified upstream about this, but what should I do in the meantime?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> Where would I learn about the proper procedure for making changes to packages?
[16:02] <jjesse> official release date again is next week?
[16:02] <Riddell> yes
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> 24th if I recall correctly
[16:02] <jjesse> thanks Riddell
[16:02] <jjesse> and JontheEchidna
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> :)
[16:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: a) the icon is installed into /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/icons/oxygen which might be fine since the desktop file doesn't go to XDGPATH (/usr/share/applications/)
[16:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: for anything prodcedure related have a look into the ubuntu wiki
[16:03] <apachelogger> the packaging guide pages should explain pretty much everything ;-)
[16:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you drop obm from new please ?
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wouldn't like someone else to approve the package
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: it'll work, but misses a sql change for usability fix
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: For some reason neither the Add Widget dialog nor the preview for the .desktop file in Dolphin are picking up the coremoid icon.
[16:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: too late
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so it's not OK ;-)
[16:05]  * apachelogger reads the cmake file
[16:05] <apachelogger> uhm
[16:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: already accepted ?
[16:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it's also using a very strange way to install the icons
[16:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can upload a 0ubuntu2 version with the fix right ?
[16:06] <apachelogger> even though KDE 4's cmake has so nice modules :)
[16:07] <nixternal> Riddell: that is a good time for a meeting for me :)
[16:07]  * JontheEchidna compares to official plasmoid .desktop files
[16:07] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[16:08] <apachelogger> hoy nixternal
[16:08] <apachelogger> oha
[16:08] <nixternal> mornin', afternoon, evenin' :)
[16:08] <Serega> nixternal: hi
[16:08] <apachelogger> kdebase builds again
[16:08] <apachelogger> yay
[16:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll upload the second one then :)
[16:08]  * apachelogger is wondering what to build next
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> oh right, all the official plasmoids use the oxygen theme icons so they don't do any installing
[16:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: extragear as well? Oo
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> I also noticed that where coremoid installs its icons, nothing else is there
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> Just coremoid stuff
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> oh hey, I tihnk I've found the problem
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> ooh, nevermind
[16:13]  * JontheEchidna does get icons if he manually places them in /usr/share/icons
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> Aha! The icon install path is wrong
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> It is: /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/icons/oxygen
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> It should be: /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> Fixing it is the tricky part, I suppose...
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> The way things are right now, wouldn't the icons only show up if you were using oxygen?
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> Very weird way of installing things
[16:23] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe KDE has a special fallback
[16:24] <apachelogger> user defined -> fallbacks of user defined -> oxygen -> hicolor
[16:24] <apachelogger> just a guess though
[16:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: don't worry about that just now
[16:25] <apachelogger> maybe upstream releases a new version before we get to publish the package
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> Ah, yeah. Still 10 days until the feature freeze is over
[16:27] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: does my key have to have a different email then the email i used in the change log
[16:27] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: no, the same
[16:27] <apachelogger> meh
[16:27] <apachelogger> kopete rashes
[16:27] <apachelogger> *crashes
[16:28] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: then why isnt mine working
[16:28] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I have no idea some configuration or something might be wrong
[16:28] <eagles0513875> its been uploaded to launchpad
[16:28] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: recreating might help
[16:28] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:28] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: this has nothing to do with lp
[16:28] <apachelogger> how should it?
[16:28] <apachelogger> you are doing an offline signing
[16:28] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:29] <eagles0513875> i have it in kgpg everything seems to be correct
[16:35] <eagles0513875> going to try and recreate my key
[16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: next obm package uploaded, can you approve ?
[16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a fix in the mysql default content to avoid manual first domain creation, for better usability
[16:47] <eagles0513875> apache when running the sign command do i have to give it my passphrase
[16:47] <eagles0513875> apachelogger:  when running the sign command do i have to give it my passphrase
[16:48] <Hobbsee> yes
[16:48] <eagles0513875> then that explains y it wasnt signing lol
[16:49]  * Hobbsee headdesks
[16:49] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: cut me some slack never used encryption keys before
[16:49]  * Nightrose puts a cushion on Hobbsee's desk just in case she feels the urge to headdesk again ;-)
[16:49] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: reading what shows on yoru screen *might* just help you
[16:50] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: when it asks you for a password what do you think you are supposed to do? ;-)
[16:50] <eagles0513875> it never asked me for a password
[16:50] <apachelogger> not enter the password obviously
[16:50] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: so how do you know it asks for it?
[16:50] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: thanks....i think i'll be needing it.
[16:50] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: ;-)
[16:50]  * apachelogger gives Nightrose a cookie
[16:51] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: im just guessing
[16:51] <Nightrose> \o/ cookie
[16:51]  * apachelogger gives Hobbsee a cookie as well
[16:51] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: interessting
[16:51] <apachelogger> still no cookie for you
[16:51]  * eagles0513875 gives me a dunce hat
[16:51] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: thanks
[16:51] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: did you try recreating the key yet?
[16:51] <eagles0513875> was about to then i was wondering do i have to enter my passphrase when running the signing command
[16:52] <Hobbsee> did eagles0513875 even put a passphrase on the key?
[16:52] <eagles0513875> yes i did when i created it
[16:52] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: can one even create a key without passphrase?
[16:52] <Hobbsee> there's a start.
[16:52] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: yes
[16:53] <apachelogger> interessting
[16:53] <Hobbsee> there are some cases that you want to
[16:54] <eagles0513875> going to create the key
[16:54] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: for example?
[16:54]  * apachelogger is wondering whether it would make sense for a packaging only-key
[16:54] <apachelogger> *packaging-only key
[16:55] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: not really useful having a packaging-only key, i expect.
[16:55] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: automated backups would be the usual reson
[16:55] <apachelogger> hm
[16:55] <apachelogger> oh
[16:56]  * apachelogger hugs Hobbsee and gives her all cookies he has left
[16:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[16:56] <Hobbsee> thanks!
[16:56] <Hobbsee> are they chocolate?
[16:56] <Nightrose> haha /me guesses apachelogger wants to use it for neon :P
[16:56]  * eagles0513875 wants to beat myself sensless with em
[16:56] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: choclate crumbs, yes
[16:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yeah
[16:56] <Hobbsee> mmm
[16:56] <apachelogger> that fixes the whole cron stuff
[16:56] <Nightrose> ;-) I nu it
[16:56] <Nightrose> hehe yea
[16:56] <Nightrose> perfect
[16:56]  * apachelogger jumps
[16:57] <Nightrose> \o/
[17:00] <Tm_T> howdy ho
[17:01] <Tm_T> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kio-umountwrapper
[17:01] <eagles0513875> hey
[17:01] <Tm_T> does this package meant to depend dolphin (kde3) ? as it won't install without it even it doesn't have that as adependency yet
[17:08] <eagles0513875> tying this again
[17:11] <eagles0513875> @)%&#@&$
[17:11] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: recreated the key and it still didnt work
[17:14] <eagles0513875> the bug is fixed i just cant sign the stuff so i can pkg it
[17:15] <eagles0513875> think i found the source of my problem
[17:21]  * eagles0513875 loosing it
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> I seem to remember Launchpad having a good PGP key tutorial
[17:30] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: i have it all setup and verified my pgp key
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> oh
[17:31] <eagles0513875> what does this mean dpkg-source: failure: create kdebase_3.5.9-0ubuntu7.dsc: Permission denied
[17:32] <Riddell> that it can't create the file
[17:33] <eagles0513875> what do i do then
[17:33] <eagles0513875> delete the original dsc file that came with the source
[17:34] <Riddell> work out why it can't
[17:34] <Hobbsee> not use sudo for apt-get source.
[17:35] <eagles0513875> when it compiles its using fakeroot
[17:39] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: hey
[17:42] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i figured out my bugs of earlier now im having one issue when running debuild -S dpkg-source: failure: create kdebase_3.5.9-0ubuntu7.dsc: Permission denied
[17:54] <eagles0513875> is this the right command i should use to compile source debuild -S -sa
[17:54] <eagles0513875> and sign it
[17:55] <Riddell> yes, if it doesn't work try using gpg to sign a random file using the exact same name and e-mail address as in the changelog
[17:57] <Lure> Riddell: I am sailing from tommorow on until Sun, so no meeting again for me :-(
[17:58] <Riddell> Lure: not got internet on the boat yet?
[17:58] <Lure> Riddell: that is probably the only place I do not want to have internet ;-)
[17:59] <eagles0513875> i found my problem this one particular file has root permissions only
[17:59]  * Lure is sure GPRS works between Italy & Croatia
[17:59] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: how did oyu get the source?
[17:59] <Nightrose> *you
[17:59]  * Lure is off for some German lessons
[17:59] <Nightrose> Lure: Viel Spaß ;-)
[17:59] <Lure> Nightrose: aber sicher!
[17:59] <Nightrose> hehe
[18:00] <eagles0513875> sudo apt-get source
[18:00] <\sh> Nightrose, looks like that I can join you in ka
[18:00] <Nightrose> \sh: wohoooo great
[18:01] <eagles0513875> that the only thing its complaining about when i run debuild -S -sa it uses fake root for rest
[18:01] <Nightrose> \sh: wanna work at the booth? or just "join" us :P
[18:01] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: Hobbsee told oyu to try without sudo IIRC ;-)
[18:01] <\sh> Nightrose, well, it's kde..so I can work at the booth, too :) shouldn't be soooo difficult :)
[18:02] <Nightrose> \sh: great :) there is a page in the kde wiki where you can add your name if you want
[18:02] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: i did
[18:02]  * Nightrose would need to search for it though
[18:02] <\sh> Nightrose, url? :)
[18:02] <Nightrose> \sh: sec
[18:04] <Nightrose> \sh: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=OpenSourceExpo+2008
[18:08] <\sh> Nightrose, done :)
[18:09] <Nightrose> great :)
[18:09] <eagles0513875> now i got that file signed how do i pkg it
[18:09] <eagles0513875> with pbuilder
[18:09] <\sh> Nightrose, topics? kde4 ?? :)
[18:10] <Nightrose> \sh: *lol* @ comment
[18:10] <Nightrose> and yes mostly kde 4
[18:10] <Nightrose> and amarok 2 of course
[18:10] <\sh> Nightrose, the truth :)
[18:10] <Nightrose> as it is a joined Amarok/KDE booth
[18:10] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:10] <\sh> Nightrose, great :)
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: Didn't you just build a source package?
[18:11] <Nightrose> I think 5 people are enough to get us thoguh this two days - I am just a little afraid of the 5 days Linuxtag after that :P
[18:11] <eagles0513875> i used the command debuild -S -sa
[18:11] <eagles0513875> is that all i need
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> to build a source package, yeah.
[18:11] <eagles0513875> is that ready to be uploaded
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> what's in the directory?
[18:12] <\sh> Nightrose, hehehe...do I need to register myself at this expo website? or do we get special VIP passes for that?
[18:12] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/216529
[18:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged]
[18:12] <eagles0513875> its for that bug
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> No, I mean what files
[18:13] <Nightrose> \sh: I hope we get special VIP passes but I have not really heard much from the organisers yet - they are not the best event organisers so far tbh
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> Is there something that ends with .changes?
[18:13] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: a rather long list i have the tar.gz
[18:13] <\sh> Nightrose, ok...I'll print out a guest pass for that ;)
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> Just read the uploading portion
[18:13] <Nightrose> \sh: I will send them a mail next week if I don't hear anything from them
[18:13] <eagles0513875> ok thanks
[18:13] <Nightrose> ok
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> Well, you probably should read/do the whole thing
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> Since you can't upload until you set up dput
[18:15] <eagles0513875> dput?
[18:16] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: i have a problem im banned from motu channel so that i can have them update the keyring
[18:16] <JontheEchidna>  *facepalm*
[18:16]  * Nightrose wonders why eagles0513875 was banned
[18:17] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: i have been off of that channel for a while can
[18:17] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: please don't make me also put a cushion on your table :P
[18:17] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: that doesn't answer my question
[18:17] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:17] <eagles0513875> i dont even know myself
[18:17] <Nightrose> oO
[18:18] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: that sounds very unlikely though
[18:19] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i just got this computer back i have not had it since december
[18:19] <eagles0513875> would u like me to send the pkg to u
[18:20] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I need a debdiff
[18:20] <eagles0513875> !debdiff
[18:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about debdiff - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:21] <smarter> eagles0513875: debdiff foo1.dsc foo2.dsc > foo.debdiff
[18:22] <smarter> "sudo aptitude install devscripts wdiff" before
[18:23] <eagles0513875> smarter: foo1 is the name of the dsc file
[18:24] <smarter> foo1 == old dsc foo2 == dsc you created
[18:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:29] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: got the debdiff
[18:31] <eagles0513875> smarter: whats next now that i have the tar.gz source as well as deb dif
[18:43] <eagles0513875> im having a problem pkging the 2nd pkg i fixed
[18:44] <eagles0513875> debian/cdbs/kde.mk:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or directory
[18:44] <eagles0513875> i have cdbs already installed
[18:47] <eagles0513875> !cdbs
[18:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdbs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:49] <Riddell> you can use packages.ubuntu.com to find out that that file is in the quilt package
[18:56] <eagles0513875> im back guys
[19:03] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: what u want me to do with the first pkgs and debdiffed bug
[19:03] <eagles0513875> *you
[19:04] <eagles0513875> !revu
[19:04] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[19:07] <eagles0513875> jjesse: u think u could help me out
[19:08] <jjesse> with what?
[19:11]  * Nightrose slaps eagles0513875 (as you asked for it when using u again)
[19:12] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: i corrected myself after
[19:12] <eagles0513875> debian/cdbs/kde.mk:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or directory this i keep getting when i run debuild -S -sa
[19:13] <yuriy> eagles0513875: 13:50 < Riddell> you can use packages.ubuntu.com to find out that that file is in the quilt package
[19:13] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: you corrected yourself and did it again... ;-)
[19:13] <yuriy> eagles0513875: you should `sudo apt-get build-dep nameofpackageyouareworkingong`
[19:15] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: whoops
[19:15] <eagles0513875> yuriy: its not working for me
[19:16] <yuriy> eagles0513875: what isn't? did you install quilt?
[19:16] <eagles0513875> yuriy: found it
[19:19] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i have them bout pkged and deb diffed
[19:21] <eagles0513875> !debdiff
[19:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about debdiff - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:24] <eagles0513875> yuriy: im drawing a blank on the debdiff command i know u have to give it foo1.dsc foo2.dsc then what for foo.debdiff
[19:24] <eagles0513875> *you
[19:24] <yuriy> eagles0513875: it'll output the diff to stdout so you can just redirect it to a file
[19:24] <yuriy> i.e. debdiff foo1.dsc foo2.dsc > foo3.debdiff
[19:24] <eagles0513875> thats what i was forgetting
[19:25]  * yuriy has done this twice, ever, and should clearly do it more often
[19:25] <eagles0513875> yuriy: lol this is only my 2nd time lol doing it lol took me a while to get these packages repackaged
[19:27] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: :)
[19:27] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: got good news for u
[19:36]  * Nightrose tries not to slap eagles0513875 again...
[19:36] <Nightrose> :P
[19:36] <smarter> do it! do it! :P
[19:36] <Nightrose> haha
[20:28] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ping
[20:28] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: pong
[20:29] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: hi.  so for now, i think i'm going to try and fit your config stuff in to system settings so you can create a module
[20:29] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: but i'd like to take a look at all the config options youre putting in the dialog to see what is necessary, etc.
[20:29] <seele> for example, i dont know what the purpose of the device naming tab is
[20:29] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: the stand-alone app must not die. keep this in mind. the module will co-exist with the app
[20:30] <seele> and i think some of the options in the wizard could go in to an options tab
[20:30] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: yeah sure.. but for example you have pages in tabs which is a hig violation
[20:30] <seele> and tabs at the bottom for some reason
[20:30] <Artemis_Fowl> yep
[20:30] <Artemis_Fowl> to begin
[20:30] <seele> there is some simple formatting stuff too, like too much space between widgets and label alignment which will be easy for you to fix
[20:31] <Artemis_Fowl> ok. thse are stuff I don't like either
[20:31] <Artemis_Fowl> the device naming tab has only one reason of existence: for the user to consult it when he doesn't know how GRUB names a partition/drive
[20:32] <seele> another question.. if you reorder the operating systems in the GRUB entry tab, do they reorder in the drop down menu in the Settings tab?
[20:32] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: yes
[20:32] <Serega> ouch... kopete looks broken
[20:33] <fdoving> Serega: svn?
[20:33] <Serega> fdoving: reboot :)
[20:33] <fdoving> oh.
[20:33] <Serega> I did nothing
[20:33] <fdoving> well, i think it's broken in trunk too.
[20:34] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: GRUB uses a custom way to refer to drives/partitions
[20:34] <seele> yes i know
[20:34] <Serega> ok, it's development version :)
[20:37] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: how do you plan to get rid of unnecessary space?
[20:37] <Serega> another weird thing: tray icons of some apps are standalone windows. does anybody see this too?
[20:39] <fdoving> Serega: i used to, only way i could make them go away was a reboot. didn't investigate any more.
[20:40] <Serega> fdoving: I hope somebody digs this :)
[20:41] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: moving the widgets?  it's ok if there is space at the bottom of the widget block, but everything needs to have consistent spacing and alignment
[20:41] <jhutchins_wk> Nice look on the 8.1 installer!
[20:42] <Riddell> jhutchins_wk: which part?
[20:45] <Serega> fdoving: hooray! all is shining after update :)
[20:48] <jhutchins_wk> Riddell: Well, good graphics in general, right up to partitioning.
[20:52] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: do you want something specific for the moment?
[20:54] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: what do you mean?
[20:54] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i have your screencast
[20:55] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: yes. do you need anything else for now? I am gonna leave in a couple of mins
[20:55] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: nope, i'm good
[20:55] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok
[20:55] <jhutchins_wk> Oops.  Problem.  Installer says I need 1.8G for /, I have 40G.
[20:55] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: Happy Brainstorming
[20:56] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: cheers
[21:00] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, I should file a bugreport, but if you put the swap partition at the end of the free space (and just one data partition /), the installer thinks it doesn't have enough space to install.
[21:00] <Riddell> jhutchins_wk: please do report that
[21:01] <jhutchins_wk> Where's the tracker again?
[21:01] <Riddell> launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity
[21:22] <Nightrose> \sh: nice blog :)
[21:33] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, when installed on a Mac Mini, I don't get the option to dual-boot.  I think it must have put grub on the equivalent of the MBR and wiped out boot camp.
[21:34] <jhutchins_wk> THat's not good.
[22:07] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: can i talk to u in private plz
[22:07]  * Nightrose slaps eagles0513875 :P
[22:08] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: lol
[22:08] <Nightrose> it really makes you look not so intelligent :(
[22:08] <Nightrose> and I don't think you are not intelligent so please...
[22:09] <eagles0513875> can you help me out i have the pkgs for the bug i was working on fixed pkged with deb diff and updated chang logs on both of them i just need someone to give em to to look over and upload
[22:10] <Nightrose> you should upload them to revu then and post the url here asing for someone to have a look
[22:10] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: ive been banned from motu channel so i cant get them to update their key
[22:10] <Nightrose> then ask in #ubuntu-ops to remove the ban
[22:10] <eagles0513875> and apache wants them done by tomorrow which they r im just afraid iwont have them uploaded
[22:11] <eagles0513875> i somehow have been banned from there as well
[22:11] <eagles0513875> thats why i need to talk to Hobbsee
[22:11] <Nightrose> oO
[22:11] <Nightrose> how did you manage to do that?
[22:11] <Nightrose> anyway
[22:11] <Nightrose> got an important meeting right now
[22:11] <eagles0513875> dunno
[22:11] <eagles0513875> ahhhhh ya forgot bout that meeting
[22:11] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: im guessing apachelogger is in there as well
[22:12] <Nightrose> ?
[22:12] <Nightrose> nope
[22:12] <eagles0513875> lol ok
[22:13] <apachelogger> pfft
[22:13] <apachelogger> lies
[22:13] <apachelogger> nothing but lies
[22:13] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: go attach the debdiffs to the bug report
[22:13] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:13] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: btw
[22:13] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[22:13] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[22:14]  * eagles0513875 bangs head on desk extremely hard
[22:14] <eagles0513875> guys ill break myself of the habit eventually lol
[22:15] <apachelogger> btw, if someone could sponsor me an uber flat keyboard, I would be able to type better english
[22:18] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: they have been uploaded as attachments
[22:19] <danimo> is there any chance hardy will contain taglib 1.5.0?
[22:20] <eagles0513875> !info taglib
[22:20] <ubotu> Package taglib does not exist in gutsy
[22:20] <Riddell> danimo: unlikely
[22:21] <Riddell> danimo: but we'll likely backport it when we start making 4.1 packages
[22:21] <eagles0513875> is Hobbsee somewhere around here lol
[22:21] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: as she doesn't answer you I guess no she is not ;-)
[22:22] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: why do you need her?
[22:22] <eagles0513875> i cant get revu approved cuz im banned  from motu channel and this was probably last summer i got banned
[22:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: to remove his bans
[22:22] <eagles0513875> and i havent been on since
[22:22] <eagles0513875> somehow today i got myself banned out of the ops channel
[22:22] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: why do you need a revu?
[22:22] <apachelogger> and for what?
[22:22] <eagles0513875> upload the pkgs that i fixed no
[22:23] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:23] <nixternal> argh!
[22:23] <fdoving> don't need revu on packages that are already in.
[22:23] <fdoving> revu is for new packages, iirc.
[22:23] <eagles0513875> seems like i wasnt banned from ops channel after all
[22:23] <eagles0513875> ahhhh gotcha
[22:24] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: the debdiffs up to your satisfaction
[22:25] <apachelogger> here's the thing
[22:25] <apachelogger> such package updates
[22:25] <apachelogger> don't go through revu!
[22:25] <apachelogger> especially not when they are that small
[22:25] <eagles0513875> i got that only pkgs that arent in the repos
[22:25] <apachelogger> ?
[22:26] <eagles0513875> revu is for pkgs that are not already in the repos
[22:26] <apachelogger> yes
[22:26] <eagles0513875> i uploaded the debdiffs
[22:26] <apachelogger> you're confusing me
[22:26] <eagles0513875> sry
[22:27] <eagles0513875> i attached them to the bug report
[22:27]  * apachelogger throws http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13433988/kdebase-runtime.debdiff at eagles0513875
[22:27] <apachelogger> check your diffs before uploading
[22:28] <apachelogger> that one includes a changelog~
[22:28] <apachelogger> i.e. a backup file
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> oO
[22:28] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you can nuke the conflicts line completely
[22:28] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> The revu confusion may be partly my fault <.<
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> but I was confused too
[22:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I really wonder why -.-
[22:29] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: please add a white space for the changelog entry
[22:29] <apachelogger> *entries
[22:29] <eagles0513875> spaces between my entry and the last one
[22:30] <apachelogger> *Removed  kdebase-bin-kde3 conflict and it replacing kdebase-bin (<< 4:3.96.0)
[22:30] <apachelogger> vs
[22:30] <apachelogger> * New upstream release
[22:30] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: do you see the difference
[22:30] <eagles0513875> ya
[22:31] <apachelogger> also that entry I pasted is just wrong
[22:31] <apachelogger> it is still replacing kdebase-bin (<< 4:3...
[22:33] <eagles0513875> i left the replacing i deleted the blank conflicts line
[22:34] <apachelogger> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13434015/kdebase_3.5.9.debdiff also needs an extra whitespace after the *
[22:34] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:34] <Riddell> "Removed kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 dependency" erk, why?
[22:35] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: please correct that entry as well
[22:35] <apachelogger> currently one is lead to belive it doesn't depend and -bin package
[22:35] <eagles0513875> will do
[22:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug #216529
[22:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216529
[22:37] <Riddell> mm, fair enough
[22:37] <eagles0513875> hopefully i havent borked anything up
[22:37] <eagles0513875> ive been borking and unborking stuff all afternoon to get this bug fixed
[22:38] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: new 3.5.9 diff == old 3.5.9 diff
[22:38] <apachelogger> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13434242/kdebase_3.5.9.debdiff
[22:38] <apachelogger> nothing changed
[22:41] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: uploaded the wrong one by mistake im fixing that one right now
[22:42] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: new -runtime diff still includes a changelog~
[22:43] <eagles0513875> im doing debdiff foo1.dsc foo2.dsc > foo.debdiff
[22:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: that can be removed easily enough on upload
[22:44] <Riddell> infact it will be by dh_clean anyway
[22:44] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the changelog~ is in your sourcetree's debian directory
[22:45] <eagles0513875> the debdiff file is callde kdebase-runtime.debdiff
[22:46] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:46] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: open that file
[22:46] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:46] <apachelogger> in kate for example
[22:47] <apachelogger> starting from line 29
[22:47] <apachelogger> a file is listed which shouldn't be there
[22:47] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you will have to remove it from your debian directory and recreate the dsc file
[22:47] <eagles0513875> u mean re build it
[22:48] <apachelogger> remove the file
[22:48] <apachelogger> debuild -S -sa
[22:49] <apachelogger> debdiff foo1.dsc foo2.dsc > foo.diff
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> I'd recommend turning the backup feature in Kate off. It's only ever given me backups I don't want.
[22:53] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: how do i do that
[22:54] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: try the last one of those and im going to start workign on the 2nd one
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> In KDE4 Settings -> Configure Kate -> Open/Save tab
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> Uncheck "Local Files" under "Backup on Save"
[22:55] <eagles0513875> im on kde3
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> you're on your own, but it's probably similar
[22:55] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: technically, as Riddell pointed out, these files should be removed automagically by debuild -S -sa
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> If you can properly package a .deb then you should be able to configure Kate.
[22:56] <eagles0513875> lol
[22:56] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna = Riddell
[22:56] <apachelogger> very same path on KDE 3
[22:56] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:56] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: no
[22:57] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: dh_clean = part of debuild -S -sa
[22:59] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:00] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you also have a control~ in kdebase-bin
[23:00] <apachelogger> err
[23:00] <apachelogger> kdebase-runtime
[23:00] <eagles0513875> just removed that and im repkging as we speak
[23:00] <eagles0513875> if i can get it signed that is
[23:01] <eagles0513875> now its complaining bout my key not being available
[23:02] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: why does it do that suddenly?
[23:02] <eagles0513875> i dunno it pkged earlier for me is just the kdebase bin thats doing it
[23:03] <Riddell> "Jonathan Aquilina<EMAIL_ADDRESS>extra space probably doesn't help
[23:03] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: please paste the output of `env`
[23:03] <Riddell> however you don't need to sign it for a debdiff
[23:03] <apachelogger> true
[23:05] <eagles0513875> Riddell: is the extra space found in the changelog
[23:06] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: yes
[23:06] <nixternal> debuild -S -sa -k<key_id>
[23:06] <eagles0513875> im goign to change it and see if it helps
[23:06] <eagles0513875> nixternal: ok
[23:06] <nixternal> or add 'export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to ~/.bashrc
[23:07] <neversfelde|mobi> if theres no tarball and only bzr stuff, should I remove .bzr from this directory before dpkg-buildpackage?
[23:07] <nixternal> yes
[23:07] <nixternal> ooh, no tarball
[23:07] <nixternal> I always remove the .bzr, .svn, CVS
[23:08] <apachelogger> oh
[23:08] <apachelogger> plasma almost looks useable again :D
[23:08] <neversfelde|mobi> it is the 5aday KDE applet, xRaich[o]2x has pushed it to Launchpad, but there is no tarball. Not sure what to do
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Are you talking about the API fallout that took place during the sprint?
[23:09] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: make one yourself
[23:09] <nixternal> then create the .orig.tar.gz, or run dh_make -e<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and have it create the .orig.tar.gz
[23:09] <xRaich[o]2x> neversfelde|mobi: The icons paths are still messed up. Had no time to fix it. University is eating me ^^
[23:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: something like that ;-)
[23:09] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: I did, but I thought I was not allowed to
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> heh, last time I tried to install Qt 4.4 through PPAs I managed to entirely bork my system. I'll hold out until more-official KDE 4.1 packages become available. :P
[23:11] <eagles0513875> i borked kde last night
[23:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the trick is to always use a self-compiled qt-copy
[23:11] <neversfelde|mobi> I had a look at system-config-printer-kde. So I should set XS-Vcs-Bzr and do a tarball myself?
[23:13] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: what time tomorrow u want this fixed by and what time is it where u r lol
[23:13] <eagles0513875> *you are
[23:13] <eagles0513875> *you
[23:13] <eagles0513875> hold you never mind it fixed itself it seems like putting in my key works
[23:14] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you just need to provide improved diffs and we can pull the packages right away
[23:15] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:15] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i think its set
[23:15] <eagles0513875> going to upload last debdiff
[23:17] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: its uploaded
[23:17] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the changelog entry is still leading to a false impression
[23:18] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:18] <apachelogger> you have to make clear that kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 was a wrong alternative dependency
[23:18] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:19] <eagles0513875> would adding by overwriting kde3 dependency work
[23:19] <eagles0513875> kde3-bin dependency
[23:19] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: pardon?
[23:20] <neversfelde|mobi> n8
[23:20] <eagles0513875> would adding to what i have in the changelog something like by overwriting he kde3-bin dependency work
[23:20] <apachelogger> nini neversfelde|mobi
[23:20] <neversfelde|mobi> :) nini
[23:20] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: that would be just wrong
[23:21] <apachelogger> the whole alternative dependency thingy is wrong _because_ they wouldn't overwrite each other
[23:21] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: so its redundant
[23:21] <apachelogger> we had that discussion already
[23:22] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: removed kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 as alternative dependency to kdebase-bin-kde3
[23:22] <apachelogger> or something like that
[23:22] <eagles0513875> apachelogger:  the reason is due to it calling the wrong alternative dependency which uses different path than the one used by kdebas-bin-kde3
[23:23] <apachelogger> something like that
[23:23] <eagles0513875> ok:)
[23:23] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: there is no right alternative dependency though
[23:23] <apachelogger> there is only _one_
[23:23] <eagles0513875> got it
[23:23] <apachelogger> which is kdebase-bin-kde3
[23:24] <eagles0513875> sry im really out of it its quite late here. ok ill be so happy once i get this done
[23:25]  * apachelogger should have gone to bed 2 hours ago
[23:25] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: Removed kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 dependency because it uses a different path      than the kdebase-bin-kde3
[23:25] <eagles0513875> thats what i got
[23:26]  * Nightrose sings a lullaby for apachelogger and pushes him into bed ;-)
[23:26] <eagles0513875> minus that huge space in between path and than it went to a new line
[23:26] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: sounds good to me
[23:26] <eagles0513875> :)
[23:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: nah, I also have to eat something
[23:26]  * apachelogger didn't eat anything today
[23:26] <apachelogger> well, except for some cookies :D
[23:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Oo   /me hands cookies
[23:26] <Nightrose> meh
[23:27]  * Nightrose hands pasta
[23:27]  * apachelogger hands cookies
[23:27]  * eagles0513875 gives apachelogger lifetime supply of cookies for his patience with me actually gives whole room life time supply
[23:27] <apachelogger> hrr, cookies
[23:27] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: thanks for ur patience with me dude
[23:27] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[23:28] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[23:28]  * eagles0513875 gives self a black eye
[23:28] <apachelogger> maybe I should become teacher :D
[23:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do you think?
[23:28] <Nightrose> ohnoes :P
[23:28] <Nightrose> not a teacher
[23:30] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: its uploaded
[23:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: a cool one, like carsten ;-)
[23:30] <eagles0513875> :) so is that bug a completed one
[23:30] <apachelogger> oh wells
[23:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hehe I agree carsten is cool but really...
[23:30] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: eventually learning from your faults would be an option
[23:30] <Nightrose> I think you should spend your talent on something else
[23:31] <Nightrose> ;-)
[23:31] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: --- kdebase-3.5.9.orig/debian/changelog~
[23:31] <apachelogger> yay for changelog~
[23:31] <eagles0513875> damn it forgot to remove it it keeps borking things up for me
[23:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: starting with p, ending with n star?
[23:31] <eagles0513875> purple stars
[23:31] <eagles0513875> lol
[23:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: rofl that was not what I meant but might be an option
[23:32] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: also -runtime still includes the control~
[23:32] <Nightrose> well not really
[23:32] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: *sigh*
[23:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yeah, you would become jealous
[23:32] <apachelogger> get jealous even
[23:33] <apachelogger> or be jealous
[23:33] <apachelogger> I really need some good sleep
[23:33] <Nightrose> ;-) of course I would
[23:33]  * eagles0513875 hopes i get this right this tiem cuz i have to get up early have alot to study tomorrow
[23:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: choosing a job is quite difficult
[23:34] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I know
[23:35] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I have a 2 hour political economics test at 7:25 :P
[23:35] <eagles0513875> kate really has been borking things up for me tonight
[23:35] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ouchie im doing nothing but revising for my exams in bout 3 weeks time lectures have been cut back to a minimum
[23:35] <apachelogger> well, as saied, usually dh_clean would remove the backup files from kate
[23:36] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: im going to have to figure out how to disable that in kate
[23:36] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: just like JontheEchidna told you
[23:36] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i know
[23:37] <eagles0513875> uploaded one of 2 hope this first one is to ur satisfaction
[23:37] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: don't hope
[23:37] <apachelogger> ensure it is
[23:37] <apachelogger> you know what I complaint about
[23:38] <eagles0513875> ya my stupidities lol
[23:38] <apachelogger> +  * Removed kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 dependency because it uses a different path      than the kdebase-bin-kde3 (LP #216529)
[23:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216529
[23:38] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: gigantic white space
[23:38] <eagles0513875> thats only on here it went down to a new line for me
[23:38] <apachelogger> + changelogs aren't allowed to exceed 80 characters per line
[23:39] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: that is called dynamic line break, if you look at the very left of kate, you will see an arrow in front of that line
[23:39] <apachelogger> that is the indication that it was doing a line break here
[23:39] <apachelogger> which is basically just a view configuration
[23:40] <eagles0513875> so i need to go back and change it and enter to next line
[23:40] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: yes
[23:40] <apachelogger> btw, you can let kate show a line at 80 characters
[23:40]  * Nightrose has to leave soonish and hugs apachelogger :)
[23:40] <apachelogger> so you know when to make a line break
[23:42] <eagles0513875> yep after 80 characters
[23:42] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img058.jpg
[23:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: library closing? :P
[23:42]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose
[23:42] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nah last tram ;-)
[23:42] <Nightrose> library is open 24/7
[23:43] <apachelogger> cool
[23:43]  * apachelogger has to study in KA
[23:43] <apachelogger> then I can sleep at the library
[23:43] <apachelogger> saves money
[23:43] <Nightrose> haha yea
[23:43] <Nightrose> afaik it is the only 2/7 library
[23:43] <Nightrose> 24/7 even
[23:45] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: uploaded one of 2
[23:47] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: this would take much less time if you would read careful what I am complaining about and ensure you fixed it
[23:47] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: changelog is still wrong and still includes an extra whitespace after Removed ... for both see my complaint somewhere above
[23:48] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[23:48] <apachelogger> I have to go
[23:48] <apachelogger> I'll be online some time tomorrow morning
[23:49] <apachelogger> in the afternoon I have to learn for a business economics test
[23:49] <eagles0513875> can u hold up a sec i almost have one fully corrected
[23:49] <crimsun> g'luck
[23:49] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: k
[23:49] <apachelogger> crimsun: thx
[23:49] <eagles0513875> good luck tomorrow btw
[23:50] <apachelogger> thx
[23:52] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: try this one
[23:52] <apachelogger> woohoo
[23:52] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: looks good to me
[23:52] <eagles0513875> :)
[23:52] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you will have to ask Riddell to sponsor you the upload
[23:53] <eagles0513875> can u wait for the 2nd one
[23:53] <apachelogger> kdebase kde3 is in main and I don't have upload rights to main ;-)
[23:53] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: how long?
[23:53] <eagles0513875> 2 min working on repkging the 2nd part
[23:53] <apachelogger> gotta fetch something to eat meanwhile
[23:53] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:55] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: done and uploaded
[23:55] <eagles0513875> Riddell: hey
[23:55] <eagles0513875> Riddell: u think u could sponsor my upload
[23:56] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[23:56] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[23:56]  * eagles0513875 lays a bag of cookies in front of apachelogger
[23:56] <eagles0513875> hows the 2nd one look
[23:56] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: changelog still not correct
[23:57] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: the description
[23:57] <apachelogger> yes
[23:57] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I will change that before uploading tomorrow
[23:57] <apachelogger> no need to recreate the diff again
[23:57] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: thanks for your work
[23:57] <eagles0513875> ok:) ill pick up a new bug in the am
[23:57] <apachelogger> and good night
[23:57] <eagles0513875> no problem same to u and good luck
[23:58] <apachelogger> hm
[23:58] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[23:58] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[23:58] <apachelogger> it's getting worse the older the day gets ;-)
[23:58] <eagles0513875> lol the more tired i get lol night
[23:58] <apachelogger> anyway
[23:58]  * apachelogger flies away


[00:31] <Noskcaj> Unit193, do you happen to know the command for regenerating mousepad's -ui.h files from the glade files?
[00:38] <Unit193> Pretty sure it's not as simple as autoreconf.
[10:30] <Unit193> Yey, might finally get rid of gnome-user-guide!
[10:30] <flocculant> :)
[10:30] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: no reason in particular, when I last went to upload it, they had moved from svn to git, and I got confused by the new processes
[10:30] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: you're more than welcome to upload to debian if you are able, or I will work on that this week
[10:30] <flocculant> I successfully got rid of everything on saturday
[10:31] <bluesabre> good morning Unit193 and flocculant
[10:31] <flocculant> wish I had some backups ...
[10:31] <Unit193> Howdy.
[10:31] <flocculant> hi bluesabre Unit193 :)
[10:31] <Unit193> flocculant: Jumped to yakkety on one real host.
[10:31] <flocculant> :)
[10:31] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: probably --enable-maintainer-mode
[10:31] <Unit193> Figured that'd be it.
[10:32] <bluesabre> that
[10:32] <bluesabre> 's the trick in parole, anywau
[10:32] <bluesabre> y
[10:32] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:32] <bluesabre> typing
[10:32] <bluesabre> :\
[10:33] <flocculant> anyone got a clue where the iso build logs are?
[10:33] <flocculant> lost all my bookmarks
[10:33] <bluesabre> wow
[10:34] <bluesabre> flocculant: you really really lost everything
[10:34] <flocculant> I had to lose the partition table first ...
[10:34] <flocculant> bluesabre, yup - total fail :D
[17:18] <flocculant> evening
[20:12] <ran> hi. in xubuntu 16.04 there is a problem with japanese letters. on many programs and the title bar they are "pushed down" a little, when they needs to be on center. (sorry about my english).