[00:30] <mwhudson> oh is that why i couldn't complete my address this morning?
[00:49] <olly> yeah
[00:49] <olly> apparently it searches on every key press as you enter it
[00:50] <olly> i think they may have stopped it searching when it's really short
[00:50] <olly> the main issue is there's no feedback as to what's wrong to the user
[02:03] <mwhudson> yes, i noticed that bit :)


[08:59] <dupondje> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang-1.12/
[08:59] <dupondje> Don't know if this is going to be updated to 1.12.1 ?
[08:59] <dupondje> Seems already in debian, so merge :)
[09:05]  * acheronuk gulps
[09:05] <acheronuk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2019-March/001335.html
[11:12] <acheronuk> dupondje: if a merge is needed to fix an important bug, then a launchpad bug might help


[05:29] <user|18> Where are the Kubuntu server images.
[10:04] <vpinon> Hello RikMills, I just wanted to thank you for the notification about kdenlive ppa problem
[10:04] <RikMills> vpinon: no problem
[10:05] <vpinon> I picked your latest packaging updates, so it should now be cleaner
[10:05] <RikMills> that's cool. thanks
[10:07] <vpinon> I noted control still recommends dvdauthor, dvgrab, genisoimage, while DV/DVD features have been removed
[10:07] <vpinon> (not just for fun of removing features, but they were too buggy and nobody wanted to improve it)
[10:08] <vpinon> also recommends recordmydesktop not used anymore (now using ffmpeg for capture)
[10:08] <RikMills> vpinon: give me diff a diff, or a list in a paste and I will have a look at updating
[10:09] <vpinon> and oxygen-icon-theme: we rely on breeze
[10:09] <vpinon> so list of recommends to remove:
[10:10] <vpinon> dvdauthor, dvgrab, genisoimage, recordmydesktop, oxygen-icon-theme
[10:10] <vpinon> just leaving recommends:
[10:10] <vpinon> frei0r-plugins, swh-plugins
[10:11] <RikMills> that is it?
[10:11] <kooka> I still love the oxygen theme
[10:11] <RikMills> ok, I will look at doing that. I can also look at the same in KDE Neon packaging
[10:12] <vpinon> thanks a lot!
[10:12] <RikMills> no problem. it is hard to keep track of the requirements of every KDE thing. ~400 source packages to do!
[10:13] <vpinon> kooka: you still can pull and select oxygen of course, but making most users pull it while we don't use it is not very efficient
[10:14] <vpinon> RikMills: yes, we should add a packaging recommendation file at the root of the source
 S22R
[10:15] <vpinon> I know packaging is hard and there are so few people...
[10:16] <RikMills> yeah, feedback like this helps a lot :)
[10:24] <Keira882> helli
[10:24] <Keira882> hello
[12:10] <Guest69> wayland isn't working for me. when i try to boot into i just get my mobo's start screen. I have nvidia drivers version 470. not sure what's wrong. recommendations?
[12:11] <Guest69> i'm running kubuntu 21.04
 Running Kubuntu 21.10 with nVidia proprietary drivers running an RTX 3060. Upon wake from sleep / suspend doesn't switch on the screen. The system wakes up cause the backlight to the keypad starts lighting up when I press any key, but it doesn't switch on the laptop screen. It's pitch black as in the led back light also doesn't start.
[12:41] <cbreak> IrcsomeBot: / debarko: does switching to an other TTY work?
[12:42] <Maik> Guest69: 21.04 goes EOL soon so upgrade to 21.10. Besides that nVidia doesn't work with Wayland.
[12:42] <cbreak> ctrl-alt-F3, or some other F key. (F1 should be ubuntu's default gui TTY, in case you want to switch back :D)
 Well none of the F keys change to tty
 Also it's on X11 Plasma and not Wayland
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:04] <cbreak> IrcsomeBot: so ctrl-alt-f3 just does nothing? :(
[13:05] <cbreak> I have some problems at work where somehow, my GUI just dies if the computer doesn't use the GUI for a few weeks (when I only use it remotely via ssh)
[13:05] <cbreak> so what I have to do there is to switch to a different TTY, which causes the GPU to start emiting images, and the screen to turn on.
[13:06] <cbreak> then I have to killall Xserver or something like that
[13:08] <Maik> cbreak: best to type @debarko instead of IrcsomeBot
[13:08] <Maik> they are on telegram....
 Yes I would have tried killing xserver I can't even get to a terminal
 Let me make a video and share
[13:11] <Maik> @debarko we can't see videos on IRC, so upload it somewhere like imgur and share the link
 https://vimeo.com/665995005
 Try this.  Uploaded to vimeo
[13:52] <cbreak> debarko: You don't have SSH access?
[13:54] <cbreak> if you do not, you can try enabling it for diagnostic purposes, and try to log in (at least if you have a second computer to do that from)
[13:54] <cbreak> but anyway, it does seem to not be the same problem I have, if TTY switching doesn't work :(
 Yeah I can ssh maybe, I will check if the terminal is back up but I am sure it's on since the IP shows up on the router. But even I am able to ssh how will that solve the problem
 I am guessing this is something to do with the graphics driver
[14:11] <cbreak> probably
[14:12] <cbreak> debarko: you can try to kill X, and maybe it gets restarted again (that's what it does for me). You can look at the output of `dmesg`, maybe it shows something interesting in the kernel logs
[14:12] <cbreak> you can check if the GPU works at all, in `nvidia-smi`
 Will try, thanks
[16:52] <DTA72> hello
[16:52] <DTA72> first time here
[16:53] <DTA72> im having complications i have not been able to solve from Terminal/Bash
[16:55] <DTA72> upon reboot i am presented with the ROG "Republic of Gamers" screen indefinitely until i ctrl/alt/del out or depress the power button/unplug
[16:56] <DTA72> i can only login via. grub menu with partial graphics functionality
[16:57] <DTA72> hence my ability to open programs such as Firestorm/Phoenix viewers just freeze
[16:57] <Maik> is that even on Kubuntu?
[16:57] <DTA72> affectively crippling my productivity there... can anyone help assist me?
[16:58] <DTA72> hi @Maik it is ubuntu with KDE Plasma
[16:59] <Maik> so ubuntu with KDE installed on top of it?
[16:59] <DTA72> yes
[16:59] <Maik> then i believe you're in the wrong channel since this one is specific for support with Kubuntu
[17:00] <DTA72> not sure where to go could you direct me to proper channel?
[17:00] <Maik> try #ubuntu
[17:01] <Maik> and tell them you installed kde on top of ubuntu
[17:01] <DTA72> ok tyvm
[17:01] <DTA72> Namaste
[17:01] <oerheks> https://www.fosslinux.com/43836/fix-asus-linux-laptop-stuck-logo-screen.htm
[17:01] <Maik> no problem :)
[17:01] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829620
[17:01] <oerheks> Add the boot parameter: dis_ucode_ldr to /etc/default/grub.
[17:02] <DTA72> ty im still here reading
[17:02] <Maik> DTA72: also tell them which version you are using, 18.04, 20.04 or 21.10
[17:02] <DTA72> thats actually the same video i last referenced from "Its FOSS"
[17:03] <DTA72> checking second link
[17:06] <DTA72> interesting as i have integrated graphics amd Ryzen 7 5700 g
[18:13] <DTA72> working on this suggestion.... https://www.fosslinux.com/43836/fix-asus-linux-laptop-stuck-logo-screen.htm
[19:19] <max> jc
[20:01] <oerheks> Maik, lols <DTA72> working on this suggestion....
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[09:25] <Oddjob> hello everyone. just wondering if someone could point me in the right direction to get help installing linux on a HP DL360 G3


[03:30] <paultag> cjohnston: yo bro, ping
[17:02] <cjohnston> paultag: pong
[18:15] <mhall119> AlanBell: make sure you update your clickable maps, the world has a new country today.  Congrats to South Sudan!
[18:49] <AlanBell> yes indeed, I had made a note to get that right
[21:46] <czajkowski> c
[21:46] <czajkowski> soooooooooo full
[22:16] <JanC> I wonder how de facto (but for political reasons unrecognized) countries are handled...?
[22:17] <JanC> (e.g. Somaliland)
[22:41] <doctormo> JanC: Or Palistine?
[22:44] <topyli> this is why they removed flags from the gnome keyboard layout applet
[22:44] <topyli> _)
[22:44] <topyli> and .)
[22:44] <topyli> bah
[22:45] <JanC> flags were never useful for indicating keyboards  ;)
[22:46] <JanC> e.g. there exists no "latin america" flag  ;)
[22:47] <topyli> i insist on calling my keyboard layout 'finnish'. who cares if it's the same as the swedish one and originally developed for them! :)
[22:49] <JanC> I hope they use a hardlink or symlink then, I don't want to waste disk space on such follies!  ;-)
[22:52] <AlanBell> I used flags for languages in an application once
[22:52] <AlanBell> seemed like a good idea at first
[22:57] <topyli> i never looked at this properly, but i think red hat basically found it difficult to sell licenses to china when their software included the taiwanese flag (and other similar problems)
[22:57] <topyli> (in other countries)
[22:58] <AlanBell> I had UK, France, Germany and Japan and they loved their flags
[22:58] <AlanBell> then Spain, so added that flag
[22:58] <AlanBell> then it went to Dallas
[22:58] <AlanBell> where they speak Spanish
[22:59] <topyli> oh yes i see your problem :)
[22:59] <AlanBell> but the Mexicans didn't like the Spanish flag, so I changed it
[22:59] <AlanBell> that nearly caused a riot
[23:00] <AlanBell> factory stopped, whole floor meeting, big discussion of the way forward. Puerto Ricans and other South Americans *really* not happy about the mexican flag
[23:01] <AlanBell> final decision, "please revert to the flag of Spain"
[23:01] <topyli> but you never removed flags? :)
[23:02] <AlanBell> no, but I never put them in again either :)
[23:02] <topyli> right :)
[23:03] <JanC> not to mention what to do with minority languages that have no single country associated with them ;)
[23:04] <topyli> it's awkward to put the indian flag on hindi even
[23:05] <AlanBell> at the time 日本語 didn't render well on the European desktops
[23:07] <topyli> JanC: we also have a dilemma in the irc space about channels like #ubuntu-es
[23:08] <topyli> it's much like #ubuntu itself, just spanish. but it's not really associated strongly with the spanish loco afaik
[23:08] <JanC> for support that makes sense
[23:09] <topyli> normally, we'd let locos take care of those, but -es is a pretty broad space
[23:10] <topyli> i think the spanish loco is actually minding it now
[23:10] <JanC> in case of -fr & -nl the French & Dutch locos run it, but get help from (people of) other locos that use those languages
[23:11] <JanC> so I'm a member of both ubuntu-be & ubuntu-nl  ;)
[23:12] <topyli> yeah. fortunately the big languages often have a connection to a big country with a strong loco
[23:17] <topyli> btw i didn't mention -es as if it were a problem, just connected to the flag issue :)


[04:59] <pitti> Good morning
[12:31] <elfy> balloons: a more general issue raised by this lightdm or linux bug or whatever it is - if testers are marking reports with critical bugs - who's looking at the reports?
[12:32] <elfy> is it actually worth people testing and reporting these issues if the bugs raised don't get looked at until it's right on top of a milestones - why bother getting people to do it?
[12:52] <pitti> jibel: do you already know why jenkins stopped displaying the tested package/version on e. g. http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/ ?
[12:52] <pitti> (affects all packages)
[12:52] <pitti> jibel: adt-run still produces the testpkg-version artifact
[12:53] <pitti> jibel: if you don't already know, don't worry (just want to avoid duplicated investigatinos)
[12:54] <jibel> pitti, no idea, but the build desription is extracted from the console output with this regex: ^Get:[0-9]+\s\S+\s(\S+)\s(\S+)\s(\S+)\s\(dsc\)
[12:54] <jibel> pitti, did that change?
[12:54] <pitti> jibel: oh yes, that did change
[12:54] <pitti> jibel: I thought we were using the testpkg-version artifact for that
[12:55] <pitti> jibel: the latest autopkgtest quiesced the output a bit as there's a lot of noise around downloading the source package
[12:55] <jibel> pitti, no jenkins, uses the console output. We can always can testpkg-version with a specific marker to match it
[12:55] <jibel> s/can/paste/
[12:55] <pitti> jibel: I don't understand this ^, do we need this back in the output?
[12:56] <jibel> pitti, yes we need something in the output that tells the package and its version
[12:56] <jibel> pitti, and can adjust the regex to match it
[12:56] <pitti> adt-run [11:52:01]: testing package qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu version 3.1.1+14.10.20140915-0ubuntu1
[12:56] <pitti> then we should use that, that won't change
[12:57] <jibel> pitti, release/pocket is also interesting
[12:57] <jibel> we already now the package it's the name of the job
[12:59] <pitti> jibel: ack, thanks; I'll fix that (probably on Monday when I'm back, not a biggie)
[12:59] <pitti> or put back the apt-get source noise
[13:00] <pitti> jibel: so no way to use an artifact, we can only use the console log?
[13:01] <jibel> pitti, right, unless you 'cat' the artifact stdout
[13:01] <jibel> to
[13:01] <jibel> typing is hard today
[13:01] <pitti> ack, thanks
[15:38] <balloons> elfy, re: who's looking, the bugs are triaged and then looked at by the development teams responsible. If something goes critical I try and make sure it's been assigned and someone has seen it
[15:45] <elfy> balloons: ok - just wanted to make sure - thanks :)
[15:46] <balloons> elfy, that said, I agree we've had some bugs in places that we haven't had issues in awhile
[15:48] <elfy> I guess the reason I've asked is that I've not seen anyone actually getting involved the last couple of times I've been affected and it's been me talking to you
[16:22] <balloons> hmm, the tahr logo is still present :-)
[17:06] <knome> balloons, yes.. why didn't you replace it with a unicorn?
[17:07] <knome> balloons, related to that, you really should try installing xubuntu ;)
[17:21] <balloons> knome, don't tell me you broke xubuntu again?
[17:21] <knome> nope!
[17:22] <knome> but i promise you you will get a good experience out of it.
[17:26] <balloons> elfy, question for you. This testcase looks a bit off: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1315/info
[17:27] <balloons> I believe step 2 should be to select a non-english language
[17:27] <elfy> yea
[17:28] <elfy> I'd agree with that
[17:33] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1374059
[17:37] <elfy> balloons: 1314 appears to be the same
[17:37] <balloons> elfy, thanks, feel free to tag others
[17:37]  * balloons is filing another testcase bug
[17:41] <balloons> elfy, am I crazy btw.. I don't believe 'back' used to be on the boot menu did it/
[17:44] <elfy> not in my memory - I think there's something awry there - there was talk in -release earlier iirc
[17:44] <elfy> anwyay - mp for bug 1374059 -> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1374059/+merge/236015
[17:45] <balloons> elfy, hehe.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1374061
[17:45] <balloons> you're too quick
[17:50] <elfy> balloons: I can do that ubiquity one - but I'd just be copy/pasta - never done that one so no idea :)
[17:50] <balloons> elfy, ahh.. go ahead and try it's a less than a minute thing to do
[17:51] <elfy> and don't do the MP - I'll tack it on
[17:51] <elfy> ohhhh
[17:52] <elfy> now I read it I realise it's the thing I used to do with cd/dvd's lol
[17:57] <elfy> balloons: all done
[18:03] <balloons> elfy, reviewed, see comments
[18:04] <elfy> if there are comments and it needs stuff doing - those won't be quite so quick :p
[18:05] <balloons> yea, I left some comments. for whenev's
[18:05] <elfy> balloons: okey doke
[18:07] <elfy> balloons: notice that "verify that the system is localized to the selected language" is the same as "verify that the system is localized to the selected language"
[18:07] <elfy> ones from you bug report wording and one is from my mp :p
[18:07] <elfy> changing goal posts is not permitted :D
[18:08] <balloons> elfy, I commented to add 'previously'
[18:08] <balloons> sorry, I included the line again, confusing :-)
[18:08] <elfy> I can see that - goal post changing :p
[18:09] <balloons> you can reject me, I can take it
[18:11] <elfy> balloons: I reject you:p
[18:11] <elfy> I also did those changes and pushed
[18:13] <jibel> balloons, I marked your bug as dupe even if the description doesn't match because it's the same root cause
[18:13] <elfy> evening jibel
[18:13] <jibel> good evening elfy
[18:14] <jibel> there is progress on the 'boot to black screen' issue but it wont be fixed for beta2
[18:14] <balloons> jibel, fair enough I guess.. The point is the menu config is off
[18:14] <elfy> I've been watching all of that when I can jibel
[18:15] <balloons> but I've seen no oem mode without the additional back button
[18:15] <balloons> in trusty we had it
[18:33] <elfy> balloons: that sounds like a quote from something lol
[18:33]  * balloons looking through other testcase bugs and filing another of his own.
[18:34] <balloons> we should try and close these open reports
[18:37] <elfy> balloons: a WHOLE bunch should be marked "These aren't going to be done anytime soon"
[18:37] <elfy> edubuntu/kubuntu for a start
[18:38] <elfy> I keep meaning to do that
[18:40] <balloons> elfy, well yea, I was mostly talking about the testcase issues that are reported.. not the requests for new
[18:41] <elfy> oic
[18:41] <balloons> though, might be useful to try and drum up some folks to tackle everything again
[18:41] <balloons> I don't want you to close all these simple bugs!
[18:41] <elfy> I don't appear to be seeing new testcase bugs
[18:41] <balloons> try and remember to mark things bitesize
[18:42] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1325801
[18:42] <elfy> balloons: you seen that one ? I get that with unetbootin - I would try to use the buntu tool - but that never even finishes working, hasn't done for so long I gave up
[18:43] <balloons> elfy, interesting.. I don't use any tool but dd for usb images
[18:44] <elfy> last time I tried that I booted to a flashing _
[18:47] <elopio> balloons: I'm running the calculator tests with adt-run on the emulator.
[18:47] <elopio> I'm so happy :)
[18:53] <balloons> elopio, yes calculator works, but try something more exotic :-)
[18:53] <balloons> it'll blow up last I checked.. but if it doesn;t . . .
[18:54] <elopio> well, for today I have enough with the calculator.
[18:54] <elopio> balloons: it's failing because of the temp home directory not being properly set.
[18:54] <balloons> yep, i knew that
[18:55] <balloons> the test should still probably be a bit more specific with what it does
[18:56] <balloons> and a test for saved results would be nice :-)
[18:57] <elopio> oh, well, adt-run [12:56:07]: ERROR: testbed failed: unexpected eof from the testbed
[18:57] <elopio> it was close.
[19:04] <balloons> elopio, this is actually xubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1350122
[19:05] <elopio> elfy: that's for you ^
[19:09] <elfy> ha ha ha
[19:15] <balloons> ubuntu-qa, care to comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-test-cases/increase-ap-timeout/+merge/235706?
[19:16] <davmor2> balloons: it's a bit of code?  let me guess not the comment you were after :)
[19:17]  * balloons hugs davmor2
[19:17] <balloons> a bit of wit is always appreciated
[19:18] <davmor2> balloons: if you don't laugh you'll cry ;)
[19:19] <elopio> balloons: looks good to me. I don't know much about that script, what does it mean the -A that you are using?
[19:19] <elopio> all the rest options seem to be using -a
[19:19] <balloons> elopio, the -A allows you to pass additional args to autopilot
[19:19] <balloons> so anything phablet-test-run doesn't support
[19:20] <balloons> elfy, ohh a patch for the lightdm issue, lovely!
[19:20] <knome> hmm
[19:26] <elfy> can never work patches
[19:27] <elfy> I'll just wait for it to work
[19:28] <balloons> elfy, lol.. it's in a ppa
[19:28] <balloons> try adding it and then dist-upgrading and rebooting
[19:29] <elfy> you mean I have to reinstall the beta?
[19:29] <elfy> that'll be the 10th time ...
[19:29] <balloons> elfy, I didn't know if you kept something around or not
[19:29] <elfy> heh - joking :p
[19:36] <elfy> balloons: mmm - well as much as I would love to say it worked - I can't
[19:36] <elfy> I'll reinstall so I've got a clean slate
[19:57] <elfy> balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1371651/comments/46 :(
[20:04] <balloons> elfy, :-( Thanks for testing!
[20:04] <elfy> I'll be pushing the com32 one next ;)
[20:05] <balloons> elfy, looks like someone is proposing something else however.. here's hoping that will fix it
[20:05] <elfy> yea saw that comment
[21:19] <Nothing_Much> ./topoic


[22:09] <alex_mayorga> hi there
[22:10] <alex_mayorga> anyone that had a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/201143/ ?


[00:29]  * SturmFlut has a new game in the App Store: "Flood It"
[00:30] <SturmFlut> mhall119: I tried to buy uReadIt (dev) from the app store, mainly to check out the PayUI, but couldn't manage to complete the payment process. It showed me the account/payment provider selection screen, I entered my Launchpad password and chose PayPal, then the "Loading" dialogue appeared for about a minute followed by a rather generic failure notice
[03:22] <krisabsinthe42> hmm. ive installed ubuntu touch several times. when installing the latest daily of vivid getting "This phone needs restoring from a PC or service center" any thoughts. installed 5 times now, each time installing android in between
[03:22] <krisabsinthe42> nexus 4, sorry
[04:02] <ahoneybun> krisabsinthe42, still here?
[04:30] <mhall119> beuno: see StrumFlut's comments above?
[04:35] <krisabsinthe42> ahoneybun: yes lol
[04:36] <ahoneybun> krisabsinthe42, are you trying to dualboot?
[04:36] <krisabsinthe42> nope, side loading the 3 img files
[04:36] <ahoneybun> I'm guessing your not running ubuntu on your desktop?
[04:37] <krisabsinthe42> I was, switched to crunchbang
[04:37] <ahoneybun> I see that is a nice distro but it is pure debian
[04:38] <krisabsinthe42> yeah, im pretty Linux savy , have RHCSA and it is my day job lol
[04:38] <krisabsinthe42> so if there is something crazy to try I am down
[04:38] <krisabsinthe42> but I do miss phablet-flash lol
[04:39] <krisabsinthe42> if you think it would be best to switch back to ubuntu that is a non-issue
[04:40] <nhaines> krisabsinthe42: try running Ubuntu and setting up the PPA from a live DVD.  :)
[04:40] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-device-flash is the bomb now krisabsinthe42
[04:41] <krisabsinthe42> ok, ill 'dd' a new image real quick
[04:42]  * ahoneybun moved to ubuntu fulltime for the moment for dev
[04:43] <krisabsinthe42> ubuntu is probably the *most* supported distro.
[04:44] <ahoneybun> krisabsinthe42, for dev of ubuntu touch?
[04:45] <krisabsinthe42> in general ubuntu is well supported. esp for development
[04:45] <krisabsinthe42> im talking from the days before package managers lol
[04:46] <ahoneybun> wow
[04:54] <krisabsinthe42> writing iso now
[04:55] <nhaines> krisabsinthe42: hopefully that's a quick, easy way to get your device up and running.
[04:55] <krisabsinthe42> yeah hope so. I had fun last time with cli sms and raw nmea data
[04:56] <krisabsinthe42> and now my job is moving to 'bring your own device' but have to install spyware on it, soo....good luck with that and ubuntu
[04:57] <pngo> why do I have to restart my phone in order to see contact db changes? Closing and opening the contact app does not update changes.
[05:00] <pngo> is there a command to force contacts/evolution to update?
[05:01] <nhaines> krisabsinthe42: yay!
[05:10] <krisabsinthe42> been looking at that BQ phone. is that actually supported yet?
[05:22] <krisabsinthe42> nhaines: looks like it worked. Thanks for that!
[05:29] <nhaines> krisabsinthe42: fantastic!  :D
[05:29] <nhaines> krisabsinthe42: the BQ phone is fully supported.
[05:29] <nhaines> Of course, it won't be out until the second week of February.  ;)
[05:39] <krisabsinthe42> thats ok with me. I bought the nexus 4 because of the ubuntu support. kinda wanting a new one soonish
[05:41] <nhaines> krisabsinthe42: we might have one or two to look at during SCALE.  :)
[05:43] <krisabsinthe42> awww yeah
[05:44] <krisabsinthe42> ive been trying to get a decent Linux phone since OpenMoko....what a waste of cash
[05:45] <krisabsinthe42> nice, just found the telegram app
[05:47] <krisabsinthe42> wow, touch has come a long way since I tried it last
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> thats tnx to all the developers here
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> its neat isnt it :p
[05:52] <krisabsinthe42> yeah, last time I had to manually sync gmail contacts. automatic now, totally awesome. This is why I love open source
[05:57] <uhhimhere> wish more phones had DTS support
[05:57] <uhhimhere> that way more non-OS would be easily ported
[16:20] <Scvairy> Is there any UEFIx86 builds of Ubuntu Touch? :c
[17:23] <pngo> can someone tell me why avahi-browse does not show my others hosts on my local net?
[18:24] <aqq> hey all
[18:24] <aqq> how can i move a button? changing X,Y of position doesn't change anything
[20:23] <axisys> ubuntu does not see the nexus 5. usb debugging is enabled.. what gives? running 14.10
[20:24] <axisys> posted the question in #cyanogenmod as well
[23:54] <danrik> wsup.
[23:54] <danrik> go pats
[23:55] <danrik> when is ubuntu touch phone gonna come out?
[23:57] <k1l> it is already relased, isnt it?
[23:57] <k1l> oh sorry, overread the "phone".
[23:59] <k1l> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february
[23:59] <danrik> k1l, srsly. im gonna die waiting


[07:31] <flocculant> sakrecoer: good luck :p
[07:34] <sakrecoer> ye...
[07:34] <sakrecoer> lol...
[07:35] <sakrecoer> very quiet in there...
[07:54]  * sakrecoer signs the ISO-blues into the void of a silent interweb
[08:28] <sakrecoer> flocculant: you know how to use rmadison? :D
[08:42] <zequence> sakrecoer: man rmadison
[08:42] <sakrecoer> thanks zequence, it didn't quite clear it up, but i got the command from apw in -release :)
[08:43] <zequence> sakrecoer: Think perhaps your problem was in interpreting the results
[08:43] <zequence> The different pockets (proposed, updates, etc)
[08:44] <sakrecoer> well... that, yes.. also, finding out what source to query, and how to use the -a flag...
[08:45] <sakrecoer> but apw anticipated my doubts and explained to me how to read the output
[08:46] <zequence> The -a flag in this instance was pointless, because there is no binary package called ubuntustudio-meta
[08:46] <zequence> You get the same result without "-a source"
[08:47] <sakrecoer> this is what apw gave me: "rmadison -a source ubuntustudio-meta"
[08:47] <zequence> Yes, I saw that. And, as I said, you get the same result without "-a source"
[08:47] <zequence> ..because there is no binary package called ubuntustudio-meta
[08:48] <sakrecoer> ok..
[08:48] <sakrecoer> :)
[08:54] <astraljava> True, but the former takes considerably less time. :)
[08:58] <sakrecoer> indeed astraljava ..
[08:59] <sakrecoer> didn't think about it until you pointed it out..
[08:59] <sakrecoer> thought it was my conneciton or something
[09:25] <sakrecoer> weird... the 0.160 didn't move up...
[09:25] <sakrecoer> it disapeard, and yakkety/unierse is still att 0.159
[09:26] <sakrecoer> probably patience is my answer...
[09:27]  * sakrecoer runs ./relax.sh
[09:34] <astraljava> Curiously 'Weightless' by Marconi Union cues. :p
[09:47] <sakrecoer> astraljava: very nice! video is amazing!
[09:51] <sakrecoer> suits me, since i'm kindof in this mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw9GNz-EYP8 :p
[09:51] <sakrecoer> SILVER BULLET- 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY
[09:59] <astraljava> I only listed it as it is apparently the most relaxing song ever, according to science. :D
[10:00] <sakrecoer> haha! ...i wonder what sceintific processes are used to define such a criteria :D
[10:59] <astraljava> You can read more about it here: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/most-relaxing-songs-all-time-science/
[11:02] <sakrecoer> thanks astraljava ! very interesting.
[11:07] <sakrecoer> ok, just triggered the rebuid.
[11:26] <astraljava> No probs, yeah it's always fascinating to see what science has to say about things that are seemingly very unique.


[00:00] <cokegen> thx qman__
[00:07] <Slyboots> Uh.. Why does the JRE install want to add things like X11.. Gnome..
[00:07] <Slyboots> I just want the java cli compiler.
[00:20] <qman__> Slyboots, did you try with --no-install-recommends?
[00:21] <qman__> also, pretty sure you want the -headless option
[00:22] <qman__> openjdk-6-jre-headless - OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)
[00:26] <Slyboots> Hmm.. let me try it now
[00:26] <Slyboots> Yea thats a lot better :D
[00:34] <Slyboots> Thanks :)
[01:03] <cokegen> testing
[01:14] <_Techie_> is it possible to have ubuntu-server setup as a router with the modem and wireless connected to the same NIC?
[01:15] <twb> _Techie_: you mean you have a wireless AP and a commodity appliance modem, and you want to plug both of those, plus your server, into a 802.1 ethernet switch?
[01:16] <_Techie_> yes
[01:16] <_Techie_> im too broke to buy another NIC atm
[01:16] <qman__> technically possible, but you're going to have lots of DHCP issues
[01:16] <qman__> as all the traffic from the internet is going to be floating around on your switch
[01:17] <_Techie_> i dont use the dhcp on my modem
[01:17] <qman__> no
[01:17] <qman__> you may or may not get DHCP from your ISP
[01:17] <qman__> and may or may not use it on your LAN
[01:17] <qman__> but if you do, in either case, it will interfere
[01:17] <_Techie_> i use a half bridge, and my external IP and routing is manually configured on my server
[01:18] <qman__> so you're not sharing the internet connection?
[01:22] <qman__> anyway, it is technically possible, but you're still going to have internet traffic on the wire throughout
[01:22] <_Techie_> meh, not a problem
[01:22] <qman__> which is a bad idea security wise
[01:22] <_Techie_> i dont use the wireless anyway
[01:24] <qman__> and what I was getting at is, anything attached to that switch will all have to be manually configured, as you won't be able to firewall DHCP out
[01:24] <_Techie_> wait
[01:24] <_Techie_> why will they have to be manually configured?
[01:24] <qman__> because DHCP is DHCP
[01:24] <qman__> anything connected that asks for a lease is going to ask your entire ISP for one
[01:25] <_Techie_> my modem is only acting in half bridge, and ive since disabled the DHCP on it
[01:25] <qman__> I don't know what you mean by that
[01:27] <qman__> it's either letting traffic through or it isn't
[01:27] <qman__> unless it's a sophisticated firewall appliance, in which case I have to wonder why you're doing this anyway
[01:28] <_Techie_> its a astandard DSL modem+ router with DHCP spoofing
[01:28] <qman__> spoofing?
[01:28] <_Techie_> it is spoofing a dhcp server inside the network that contains the external ip
[01:29] <qman__> that's not spoofing, but ok
[01:29] <_Techie_> its a weird topic and is hard to find the proper terms
[01:29] <qman__> anyway
[01:29] <qman__> any time a computer comes online, it's going to make a DHCP request
[01:30] <qman__> unless that unit differentiates by MAC, it's going to give it out
[01:30] <_Techie_> the DHCP on the modem has since been disabled
[01:30] <_Techie_> i moved the configuration to be static on my servers NIC
[01:30] <qman__> ok, but the other problem is, if it's in a bridging mode, your switch is now in the internet
[01:31] <qman__> and your DHCP requests will go to the other side, unless that device is sophisticated enough to filter them out
[01:31] <_Techie_> it is sophisticated in a way
[01:31] <_Techie_> it was originally setup as a normal home ADSL modem/router
[01:32] <_Techie_> so it would normally pick up DHCP requests and assign them 192.168.1.X
[01:32] <_Techie_> so DHCP getting through to the internet wont happen
[01:33] <qman__> that doesn't mean anything
[01:33] <qman__> when you change to bridged mode, all that goes away
[01:33] <qman__> it doesn't route anymore, so unless it has a decent operating firewall, they'll still get through
[01:34] <_Techie_> it does route
[01:34] <_Techie_> its not fully bridged
[01:34] <_Techie_> it still uses NAT and everything
[01:35] <_Techie_> it just extends the external IP to an internal machine using the inbuilt DHCP server which has since been disabled
[01:35] <qman__> that's not technically possible
[01:35] <_Techie_> it is
[01:36] <qman__> there's no point to it, either
[01:36] <_Techie_> there is if you live somewhere like me, where you cant get cable internet or a PPPoE connection
[01:37] <_Techie_> or even a decent modem without spending mega bucks
[01:37] <qman__> no, I mean to providing such a function
[01:37] <qman__> there's no point in having your external IP assigned internally and simultaneously assigning private addressing
[01:37] <qman__> you might as well just use the DMZ setting
[01:38] <qman__> it's a lot less complicated and doesn't violate the principles of routing
[01:39] <_Techie_> well i use it to make managing my server slightly easier as it appears to be connected directly to the internet
[01:40] <qman__> sounds like a security nightmare
[01:40] <qman__> anyway, you could do what you were asking, but it's complicated
[01:40] <qman__> you need two virtual interfaces on your server
[01:41] <qman__> well, subinterfaces
[01:41] <qman__> eth0:0, eth0:1, etc
[01:41] <qman__> that is, if you want to do the routing through your server
[01:42] <qman__> which I'm assuming is the reason you want to
[01:43] <_Techie_> im going to try get away with one
[01:43] <_Techie_> eth0-my comp       eth1-modem with eth1:0 being the wifi
[01:44] <qman__> you have two interfaces?
[01:44] <qman__> then just use them
[01:44] <qman__> put the AP on the inside
[01:44] <_Techie_> its sort of the reason
[01:45] <_Techie_> 2 NIC's
[01:45] <_Techie_> one 10/100 and the other gigabit
[01:45] <_Techie_> and all my network hardware is 10/100
[01:46] <_Techie_> and i want to be able to use the gigabit link to link my pc and the server for streaming HD content from the media shares
[01:46] <_Techie_> up untill today is was using a 10/100 switch connected to the gigabit of the server
[01:48] <_Techie_> which was all nice, it kept my LAN inside a secure area, but cut off the ability to use the gigabit link
[01:48] <qman__> ok
[01:49] <qman__> well, it's still not a good setup, but you can do it that way
[01:49] <qman__> however, I have to warn you
[01:49] <qman__> a setup using eth1 and eth1:0 at the same time has never worked for me
[01:49] <qman__> always had to de-configure eth1 and use eth1:0 and eth1:1
[01:52] <qman__> and I would still advise against using DHCP on that part of the link
[01:52] <qman__> is your wireless AP a wireless router, or just an AP?
[01:53] <_Techie_> doign this also frees up 10m of cable
[01:53] <_Techie_> as it removes the need for the reverse link providing a connection for wireless users
[01:53] <qman__> if it's a wireless router I suggest going that route instead of AP mode
[01:54] <qman__> if your wireless AP is actually a wireless router, I suggest using it for providing DHCP to the wireless clients
[01:54] <qman__> to keep the DHCP traffic off of that interface on your server
[01:55] <qman__> trusting your DSL modem/router to protect you from that trouble is risky
[01:56] <qman__> up to you, though
[02:03] <kaje> Can someone tell me how I can have my dhcp server update the hostname of a client? I've seen this done on other networks, but I can't find the right directive for my host entries...
[02:10] <kaje> nevermind
[03:41] <twb> Why does lucid have both /etc/init/ssh.conf and /etc/init.d/ssh ?
[03:53] <pmatulis> twb: b/c upstart can't handle sshd running in a chroot
[03:54] <twb> Ah, looks like the init.d ssh is not enabled by default
[03:55] <twb> I can live with that
[04:00] <twb> I have an Ubuntu router with console=/dev/ttyS0, and that serial port is cabled to ttyUSB0 on a server.
[04:00] <twb> An Ubuntu server, that is.
[04:00] <twb> What's the "right" way to have the server log ttyUSB0?
[04:01] <cokegen> log all activity ?
[04:01] <cokegen> bc you'll have the console there man
[04:02] <twb> cokegen: basically I want the output of ttyUSB0 (particularly the printks) to be logged into /var/log somewhere.
[04:02] <twb> Obviously I'll need a way to *stop* that logging so I can do "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" when I need to control the router via console.
[04:04] <cokegen> I was trying to find a way to "split" the serial ports
[04:04] <twb> plan B is something like a udev rule that says "when a USB serial device is created, run screen -dmC foo.conf", where foo.conf is a screenrc that says something like "chdir /var/log; screen /dev/ttyUSB0; log on"
[04:04] <cokegen> I don't know really what to say
[04:05] <twb> Which would result in output to /var/log/screenlog.0
[04:06] <twb> Ah, an ":logfile /var/log/router-console.log" to change the logfile
[04:17] <cokegen> twb
[04:17] <cokegen> what about just reading the serial port like this in a loop ?
[04:17] <cokegen> READ=`dd if=/dev/ttyS1 count=1`
[04:18] <cokegen> and run screen whenever you want
[04:18] <cokegen> read only would be
[04:18] <cokegen> stty -F /dev/ttyS1 raw speed 9600
[04:18] <cokegen> just found that somewhere
[04:38] <arrrghhh> hey all, i have created a pub/priv key combo for this laptop before, but using putty/windows.  can i use that same key combo in ubuntu somehow?
[04:40] <twb> arrrghhh: I don't know what that means.
[04:40] <twb> arrrghhh: oh, you mean an SSH keypair.
[04:41] <twb> The PuTTY and OpenSSH formats for SSH keypairs are different, but I think there's a tool to convert from one to the other.
[04:48] <arrrghhh> hrm
[04:48] <arrrghhh> i see the different
[04:48] <arrrghhh> difference*
[04:48] <arrrghhh> i can't just copy/paste?
[05:26] <twb> Dec  5 02:29:25 alpha kernel: [58505.044670] WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.32/kernel/softirq.c:143 local_bh_enable_ip+0x61/0x90()
[05:26] <twb> ...and then a kernel backtrace.  How do I find out WHAT I'm being warned about?
[05:34] <vraa> is there a program that'll fix permissions of a serveR?
[05:34] <vraa> i actidently chowned everything in / to root:root
[05:39] <twb> vraa: no
[05:39] <twb> vraa: it'll be easiest to just do a full reinstall
[05:57] <twb> What are these ntpd messages about?  http://paste.debian.net/101624/
[06:00] <joschi> twb: http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452
[06:00] <twb> Thanks
[06:01] <twb> Any idea if I should do anything, and if so, what?
[06:05] <joschi> twb: nope, but since it doesn't seem to be an error, I'd ignore it.
[06:05] <joschi> twb: I also have *some* of these messages in my logs
[06:05] <twb> I have *lots*
[06:06] <joschi> twb: all virtual machines?
[06:06] <joschi> twb: I have these messages only on virtual machines (vmware to be specific)
[06:07] <joschi> twb: ok, skip that. it also occurs on "physical" machines
[06:08] <twb> No, this is a router
[06:08] <twb> But I do also see a kernel backtrace re ntpd, which I suspect means I need  "notsc"
[06:11] <twb> FWIW I only see a couple of flips on my lucid server
[09:48] <Guest13119> Hi
[09:48] <Guest13119> Just a question. Does anybody know how/when Apache Tomcat is updated within Ubuntu, as we have some problems with the current version (6.0.24)?
[09:55] <ikonia> Guest13119: in what way "how" it's updated ?
[09:58] <Guest13119> Ubuntu currently delivers 6.0.24
[09:59] <Guest13119> but we need a newer version to get our application working, but don't wan't to force our customers to install it without apt-get
[09:59] <ikonia> Guest13119: you'll need to log a bug requesting a package update then
[09:59] <Guest13119> ah okay, thanks, so now only the question, where can I do this ?
[10:00] <Guest13119> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/report-problem
[10:00] <ikonia> Guest13119: launchpad.net
[10:01] <Guest13119> Thanks al ot
[10:01] <Guest13119> a lot
[10:04] <ikonia> Guest13119: it may not hurt to find out who built that package and chase them for help directly or your request will just set there doing nothing
[10:05] <Guest13119> okay
[10:25] <twb> Guest13119: as a rule, RELEASED versions of Ubuntu do not ever receive new (upstream) versions of constituent packages.
[10:26] <twb> lucid (10.04) has tomcat 6.0.24, but maverick and natty both have 6.0.28.
[10:27] <twb> IMO you should probably either fix your application to work with .24, or advise your customers to upgrade to a non-LTS version of Ubuntu.
[10:39] <Guest13119> hm, not good, as enterprise customers always need LTS
[10:50] <twb> At least your customers are running 10.04
[10:50] <twb> Almost all of mine are either on RHEL4 or 8.04
[11:00] <twb> Kerberos debug time!
[11:00] <twb> I followed the ubuntu-serverguide's §6.3 kerberos chapter.
[11:00] <twb> I went into kadmin on the kdc and did "addprinc fred", giving the password as "fred".
[11:01] <twb> On the krb client machine (also 10.04), I've configured it per §6.3.3 (Kerberos Linux Client), and I can "kinit fred", but I *do not* get a TGT automatically when I log in on tty1.
[11:02] <twb> (Where I log in to a local user account created with "adduser fred", also giving the password as fred.)
[11:10] <LagMonste> anyone here have experience with an Areca 1230 12P sata raid controller? Considering buying one used to upgrade storage, but can't find much about it's compatibility with Ubuntu server
[11:10] <twb> LagMonste: I tend to go with md RAID
[11:11] <milligan> I'm getting a Error 15: FIle not found while trying to boot a machine. The kernel images appear to be where they should be ..
[11:11] <LagMonste> yea i've been running MD raid for the 4 onboard drives (AMD SB600) and it's never had a single issue
[11:11] <LagMonste> sb700*
[11:12] <twb> milligan: from grub?
[11:12] <milligan> twb, yes
[11:13] <twb> That's probably grub trying to find its stage 2 in /boot/grub/
[11:13] <twb> I don't debug grub problems anymore, I just install extlinux.  But that's not the party line, so I guess I'll shut up.
[11:14] <twb> God damn.  I just installed slapd on the dom0 instead of a domU
[11:15] <milligan> twb, is there any way I can fix it? :(
[11:15] <twb> milligan: probably you would need to boot a live medium and piss-fart around rerunning grub-install and hoping it guesses things correctly.
[11:15] <milligan> gah
[11:16] <twb> There's a low-level utility (grub-setup?) that you can use to Do What I Tell You, but IIRC they try to hide it from you
[11:17] <twb> Waaay back I used to have to use it to force it to load the grub md raid1 and lvm modules, when I was experimenting with /boot on LVM on RAID1.
[11:33] <milligan> Is rescue mode from the 10.04 install cd useless?
[11:36] <twb> Basically, yes.
[11:36] <twb> If you are clever like me, you can do some things with it.  But generally I use the Debian Live "rescue" image, or the CentOS 5 live CD
[11:37] <milligan> I did a reinstall of grub, without that making any difference..
[11:37] <twb> I think reinstalling grub only works if you shake magic pixie dust over the rack or something
[11:38] <milligan> this is gay. fuck dist-upgrade :(
[11:38] <twb> FWIW, dist-upgrade is not the supported upgrade method -- do-release-upgrade is.
[11:38] <milligan> yeah, that's what I used.
[11:38] <twb> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_beta1/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-squeeze-live-beta1-amd64-rescue.iso for the Squeeze rescue CD
[11:39] <tsimpson> milligan: please keep your language and topic in line with the Code of Conduct
[11:39] <twb> Yeah, the PC term is "fagtacular"
[11:39] <twb> >duck<
[11:40] <tsimpson> ..., seriously
[11:41] <milligan> hm, could it be that the uuid of the disk has changed?
[11:41] <milligan> (Or even missing ?)
[11:41] <twb> milligan: disks don't have UUIDs; filesystems, LVM LVs and md RAID arrays do.
[11:42] <twb> IIRC disks have bus addresses
[11:42] <milligan> well, the grub menu def has a uuid set as the root .. could that uuid be wrong .. ?
[11:42] <twb> milligan: sure, that's the filesystem UUID for /boot (or /)
[11:46] <milligan> ooooo - think I got something running here..
[11:46] <milligan> Atleast it's moving forwards now.
[11:46] <twb> tune2fs -l will list the UUID for an ext[234] fs
[11:46] <twb> blkid will probably work for anything
[11:47] <jpds> milligan: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[11:47] <[diablo]> anyone have any idea why an NFS mount on a 10.10 Server is giving me totally incorrect uid:gid on all dirs and files please?
[11:48] <twb> Or that :-)
[11:48] <milligan> Let me check :)
[11:48] <twb> [diablo]: NFS does not keep IDs in sync between hosts
[11:48] <twb> [diablo]: are you using something like NIS or LDAP for that?
[11:49] <[diablo]> twb, Hi... nope
[11:49] <[diablo]> twb, the NetApp has all the dir's and files owned by id:80 (www-data) on all other machines
[11:49] <twb> [diablo]: for example, if "id fred" returns a UID of 1000 on the NFS client but 500 on the NFS server, that is why.
[11:49] <[diablo]> twb, other machines being CentOS 5
[11:50] <twb> [diablo]: NetApp is the NFS server?
[11:50] <[diablo]> twb, but its mounting in with Access: (0777/drwxrwxrwx)  Uid:<PHONE_NUMBER>/ UNKNOWN)   Gid:<PHONE_NUMBER>/ UNKNOWN
[11:50] <[diablo]> twb, yep, NFS is on the NetApp
[11:50] <twb><PHONE_NUMBER> is probably because one of your machines is using signed UIDs, the other unsigned, and the NFS export is root_squashed, so one man's nobody:nogroup is another's UNKNOWN:UNKNOWN.
[11:51] <twb> [diablo]: try sshing into each box and running "getent passwd" and "getent group", and checking what accounts have different UIDs/GIDs
[11:51] <[diablo]> twb, good point about the signed UID's
[11:52] <twb> I had an osol10 backup server explode because its UIDs are actually smaller (like, int32 vs uint32), and the RHEL box's nobody account didn't fit.
[11:52] <milligan> jpds, twb , the uuid is wrong it seems. Can I just edit it in the /boot/grub/menu.lst and it'll be fine ?
[11:53] <twb> milligan: it's grub.cfg now
[11:53] <twb> milligan: but yes, probably.  I don't know if update-grub will blow that away and put hte wrong UUID back
[11:55] <milligan> what's the default password for a rescue session, ssh ?
[11:55] <twb> NFI
[11:55] <[diablo]> twb, can I should you the two mounts?
[11:55] <twb> I usually boot into single and run passwd to break into it, becauise it's easier than remembering
[11:55] <twb> [diablo]: whatever, man.  Use pastebin for anything large.
[11:55] <[diablo]> twb, bs-nas02:/vol/dev_gfx on /mnt type nfs (rw,vers=4,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>,clientaddr=<IP_ADDRESS>  <---- Ubuntu Server 10.10
[11:56] <[diablo]> twb, nas2:/vol/gfx on /nas/gfx type nfs (rw,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>) <--- centos 5
[11:56] <twb> [diablo]: that doesn't matter
[11:57] <twb> Well, I suppose NFSv3 vs. NFSv4 might.
[11:57] <twb> Also, you should be inspecting /proc/mounts -- don't trust /etc/mtab, it's full of lies.
[11:57] <[diablo]> :)
[11:58] <twb> In /etc/ssl/foo.info, what's the correct syntax so that the key is valid for both "foo" and "foo.example.net" ?
[12:00] <milligan> Fixing the UUID in menu.lst looks to be working. At least the machine and services are booting back up now. How can I fix this permanently? And why would grub be installing the wrong uuid ?
[12:01] <twb> milligan: just run update-grub and confirm it doesn't put the wrong UUID in there
[12:01] <twb> milligan: then it's fixed about as permanently as you're going to get
[12:04] <milligan> It seems wrong for all the other kernels .. but still correct for the one that I managed to boot.
[12:04] <[diablo]> odd, seems I can not force the mount to v3
[12:05] <[diablo]> even setting vers=3
[12:05] <[diablo]> it mounts it as nfs4
[12:06] <twb> [diablo]: I don't know much about nfsv4
[12:06] <[diablo]> np
[12:07] <twb> Much as I hate Microsoft, I'll take a homogeneous SMB2 network over a heterogeneous SMB2-for-Windows/OS X, NFSv4-for-Unix.
[12:35] <bigbrovar> I guess I just had to compile the latest alsa driver to get sound to work on a friends laptop. is there a way I can create a dkms script to auto install the drives when there is a kernel upgrade? are there docs on how this can be done on Ubuntu?
[12:45] <Daviey> bigbrovar: ideally, create a seperate package... and use one of the existing dkm'sified as reference
[12:45] <Daviey> i'm sure others will appreciate it, if you push it to a PPA
[12:46] <bigbrovar> unfortunately I am not a packager and have no skill at packaging :) I am willing to learn though if you point me to a doc.
[12:47] <bigbrovar> just a guy trying to help out
[13:06] <twb> bigbrovar: try #ubuntu-devel
[13:52] <dsalvetti> Hi, anyone experienced some timezone related issue with postgresql on 10.04 overnight?
[14:01] <dsalvetti> for about 2 hours I had the following error on my servers: "psycopg2.OperationalError: can't set datestyle to ISO"
[14:02] <dsalvetti> at about the same time, on a different set of server I had SET TIME ZONE failed
[14:02] <dsalvetti> I went through the logs but cannot find anything
[14:02] <patdk-wk> well, what timezone do you use?
[14:02] <dsalvetti> also the "issue" seems to have resolved by itself
[14:02] <patdk-wk> and maybe, what timezone is your clock set to
[14:03] <dsalvetti> EST
[14:03] <patdk-wk> very odd
[14:03] <dsalvetti> indeed :-)
[14:03]  * RoyK labels a couple of driver 'Naughty sectors' and returns them whence they came
[14:05] <[diablo]> OK I still can not get an nfs3 mount going... it will only mount as nfs4 ... grrrr
[14:05] <[diablo]> anyone help please?
[14:15] <jdstrand> hallyn_: hi! fyi, qemu manpage disappeared again:
[14:15] <jdstrand> $ man kvm
[14:15] <jdstrand> man: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/kvm.1 is a dangling symlink
[14:16] <jdstrand> $ man qemu
[14:16] <jdstrand> No manual entry for qemu
[14:23] <hallyn_> grrr
[14:24] <hallyn_> jdstrand: you use schroot, right?  have you had to do anything to make it work in natty?
[14:24] <jdstrand> hallyn_: so I have another weird kvm issue. are you on natty yet?
[14:24] <jdstrand> hallyn_: I run natty
[14:24] <hallyn_> yes i am, and yes i have issues too.  i just haven't had time to investigate
[14:24] <jdstrand> hallyn_: have you seen this:
[14:24] <jdstrand> [39656.368496] unregister_netdevice: waiting for vnet0 to become free. Usage count = 1
[14:25] <jdstrand> hallyn_: where kvm in libvirt won't shutdown?
[14:25] <hallyn_> hm, no i haven't.  it sounds familiar from years ago with an lxc issue
[14:25] <hallyn_> all right, i think that's a libvirt issue then
[14:25] <jdstrand> no
[14:25] <jdstrand> well, I don't think so
[14:25] <hallyn_> kvm from cmdline does the same thin?
[14:25] <jdstrand> if I downgrade to the maverick kernel, all is fine
[14:25] <hallyn_> (I thought I'd started a few and not had that, but...)
[14:26] <jdstrand> so this morning I am trying to find a simple kvm reproducer, and I get something that acts similarly:
[14:26] <jdstrand> /usr/bin/kvm -M pc -m 256 -no-acpi -drive file=./disk0.qcow2 -net nic,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=tap0
[14:26] <jdstrand> hallyn_: ^ that is unkillable, even with kill -9
[14:27] <jdstrand> hallyn_: I tried with ',script=' too, same thing (the vm actually starts though, but I can't kill the kvm process)
[14:27] <hallyn_> jdstrand: what about with the qemu daily build?
[14:27] <jdstrand> I haven't tried that
[14:27] <hallyn_> so, meanwhile - you have no issues with sbuild under natty?
[14:28] <jdstrand> it seems like a kernel thing-- userspace shouldn't be able to block SIGKILL
[14:28] <hallyn_> right
[14:28] <jdstrand> hallyn_: I did have issues until my upload on friday. are you referring tot he sysvinit thing?
[14:28] <hallyn_> yes
[14:28] <jdstrand> hallyn_: just upgrade and it should work
[14:29] <jdstrand> 0.60.5-1ubuntu2
[14:30] <jdstrand> hallyn_: I will file a bug on the unkillable kvm. I will add two tasks-- qemu-kvm and linux so that both camps know about it
[14:30] <hallyn_> jdstrand: huh, thanks - i upgraded saturday, but still have -1ubuntu1
[14:30] <hallyn_> jdstrand: thanks.  there's also a (separate?) issue with starting windows vm's
[14:30] <jdstrand> maybe the buildds were benind...
[14:30] <hallyn_> i'm hoping to clear my plate so i can look at these
[14:30] <jdstrand> behind
[14:30] <hallyn_> or benign
[14:30] <jdstrand> hehe
[14:31]  * hallyn_ says "hm" and goes to check lkml for vnet0/kvm clues while wiating for upgrade to finish
[14:34] <hallyn_> oh well, i'll try both qemu daily and the kernel daily builds, and roll the dice
[14:39] <jdstrand> hallyn_: fryi bug #685991
[14:40] <jdstrand> wow, that is a horrible bug title
[14:40]  * jdstrand fixes it
[14:41] <hallyn_> jdstrand: interesting, i think the manpage fix was a victim of loic's fix of my snafu in using UDD to pull in the new 0.13.0 release.  if you follow  :)
[15:17] <glen1> hey
[15:32] <Wh1teL0tus> hello all
[15:32] <cap_00> howdy
[15:33] <Wh1teL0tus> i got a question
[15:33] <Wh1teL0tus> i'm new in using linux but i want to learn to understand and to configure linux servers whats the best way for me to start ?
[15:34] <cap_00> me too
[15:34] <cap_00> i picked up a book from a local store
[15:34] <Wh1teL0tus> you bought a book about linux servers in general or a specific one ?
[15:35] <cap_00> it was about 8.04 and 9.10
[15:35] <Wh1teL0tus> well i use 10.10 so i think best way is to buy a book from the 10.10 version ^
[15:36] <cap_00> called "the official ubuntu server book"
[15:36] <Wh1teL0tus> yesterday i did set up a lamp server on my running ubuntu client but i dont know how to acces or what i can do with it so need to learn it first
[15:36] <cap_00>  most book descriptions will say which version they're based on, and in reality, there aren't gigantic changes
[15:36] <Wh1teL0tus> i hope i can find it here in belgiu ^
[15:36] <Wh1teL0tus> belgium*
[15:37] <Kimmono> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Ubuntu-Server-Book/dp/0137081332/
[15:38] <Wh1teL0tus> thats an option too , tahnks
[15:38] <cap_00> there are also lots of support documents on the web,
[15:38] <cap_00> https://help.ubuntu.com/
[15:38] <AndyGraybeal> i'm getting mtrr: type mismatch for d000000,8000000 old: write-back new: write-combining ... in my dmesg; what should I do?  this scares me.
[15:39] <cap_00> between the documentation, and the book i've been able to start up and start learning
[15:40] <cap_00> @WhlteL0tus i'm not sure what the consensus is but, it always made sense to me that servers should be based on the LTS release like 10.04
[15:40] <Wh1teL0tus> kk
[15:43] <Wh1teL0tus> found a document named ubuntu server guide, i'll be looking into that first
[15:46] <cap_00> i've refered to that a couple of times when i was trying to setup some of the features for me samba that the book didn't detail enough
[15:47] <cap_00> actually it pointed to the samba howto collection that was exhaustive
[15:49] <bluethundr> does anyone know if openssh-5.6p1 has been packaged for ubuntu yet?
[15:49] <SpamapS> zul: bump, can you give bug 611316 a looksy.. just nominated it for lucid/maverick (fix is pending for natty). Thx
[15:49] <zul> SpamapS: sure
[16:02] <Wh1teL0tus> am i right if a lamp server is able to understand php, perl and python ?
[16:02] <Pici> Wh1teL0tus: The usualy 'P' in LAMP is for PHP.
[16:03] <Wh1teL0tus> yea but i readed somewhere that it also stands for perl and python
[16:03] <Pici> It can.
[16:04] <Pici> I just was referring to what the lamp-server task installs on Ubuntu.
[16:04] <Wh1teL0tus> but does it means that this lamp server is able to handle the scripts made in php or perl ?
[16:05] <Wh1teL0tus> i'm sorry that i'm asking this noob questions bu i have to start somewhere right ?
[16:05] <Pici> Wh1teL0tus: Well perl and python are installed by default on Ubuntu, so they may be able to be run, although the apache modules for them may not be setup.
[16:05] <Pici> or enabled.
[16:06] <Wh1teL0tus> ooh so for it to work the apachemodules have to be installed aswell
[16:06] <Wh1teL0tus> is that also possible to make the server understand java scripting ?
[16:07] <Pici> Do you mean Java or Javascript?
[16:07] <Wh1teL0tus> Java
[16:08] <Pici> Theres Apache Tomcat.
[16:08] <Pici> I'm not too familiar with it though.
[16:08] <Wh1teL0tus> i'll look it up, thanks for the info
[16:08] <robbiew> SpamapS: kirkland: Daviey: zul: what time is the mumble on the installer today?
[16:09] <zul> dunno..:)
[16:14] <zul> robbiew: i think Daviey is EoD as well
[16:15] <robbiew> zul...uh...he suggested the meeting :/
[16:16] <zul> i thought it was clint
[16:16] <robbiew> nope...I distinctly remember Daviey suggesting Thu/Fri, but folks were on holiday, so we pushed to Monday
[16:18] <zul> *sigh* Daviey should have a stern lecturing then ;)
[16:41] <Delemas> What is the correct way to get a upstart controled service, such as statd, to start on every reboot? autofs needs it but it isn't starting by default. This just gives errors: update-rc.d statd enable
[16:46] <UndiFineD> Are there any known issues with Launchpad mailing list ?
[16:46] <UndiFineD> I get email stating they cannot send to the ML
[17:06] <bluethundr> shouldn't debuild 2&>1 foo.txt redirect output of this command to a text file?
[17:24] <Kaffien> is there anything better than vnc for visual desktop connections to linux?
[17:24] <Kaffien> ie RDP clones / knock offs
[17:29] <ivoks> ssh -X
[17:44] <SpamapS> Kaffien: NX
[18:02] <eriksson26> Hi, need help. Have a newly made raid5, with 5 disks. But after some problem with mdadm.conf file it now only assembles with 4 out of 5 disks. Says the last one is removed.
[18:02] <eriksson26> How can I fix this?
[18:02] <Ninjix> pastebin  your /proc/mdraid
[18:05] <eriksson26> is it a file or comand? I dont have a /proc/mdraid only /proc/mdstat
[18:06] <eriksson26> When I assemble the raid, it says that the missing disk sdg has no
[18:06] <eriksson26> raid superblock, and wrong uuid
[18:09] <eriksson26> The raid is working, and I got a spare identical disk in the machine. So can I add that disk, and then afterwords grow the raid with the missing sdg?
[18:11] <ScottK> I've got a small arm based server that I need to use a usb stick to provide /var/cache.  On boot it's not recognized.  I have to remove and insert the stick after boot, then do fdisk -l /dev/sdb, and then mount /dev/sdb1.  Any suggestions on how I might make this work at boot?
[18:17] <resno> ScottK: i just put the commands in local.rc
[18:17] <resno> and it automatically takes care of the sudoing
[18:17] <ScottK> resno: I guess I just need to figure out how to get it to recognize the device without removing and reinserting after boot.
[18:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:18] <resno> ah, hopefully that will help you along... thats the most i can offer
[18:20] <ScottK> Every little bit helps.
[18:58] <eriksson26> How do I remove a ext2 file system from a disk so I can add it to a raid?
[19:00] <jfroebe> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/md1
[19:00] <lifeless> (but unmount it first)
[19:00] <jfroebe> good point :)
[19:02] <eriksson26> I have deleted the partition and recreated it, it stil says it contains a ext2 when trying to create a array with it. it ask if I shuld do it anyway. Anyone know if its ok to go ahed, or will it couse truble?
[19:03] <jfroebe> well you'd do the dd after you created the array - assuming that they are separate
[19:04] <jfroebe> another option would be to tar up the file system somewhere else and extract it after
[19:05] <lifeless> eriksson26: I think you should read the docs
[19:05] <lifeless> eriksson26: you've got two different layers confused
[19:06] <eriksson26> Well I have set up raid before, but never goten this warning.
[19:07] <jfroebe> if you don't care about the 'hidden' ext2 file system, tell it to go ahead..  if you do, dd is your friend
[19:07] <eriksson26> No I dont care about it, oki then I tell it to create =)
[19:07] <eriksson26> thanks for the help.
[19:10] <eriksson26> Is it ok to add two disks to a rebuilding array? or shuld I let it finish first?
[19:12] <jfroebe> if you already started, then let it finish
[19:13] <jfroebe> eriksson26 - just out of curiosity, what does your server do?  db?
[19:13] <eriksson26> file storage
[19:13] <jfroebe> gotcha
[19:14] <eriksson26> it will take 2 days for it to complete, but that is fine, will add the two other disk later.
[19:15] <eriksson26> oki maby only one day =)
[19:20] <digital_chaos> is it illegal for me to store historical data such as  break-in attempts/scanning
[19:22] <digital_chaos> its no secret our servers get hit hard... but what if i want to collect data and save it? i am facing the internet but i do not invite not a one.
[19:22] <jfroebe> doubtful - but not doing so may be..
[19:22] <jfroebe> depends on where the server is, where your company is, etc
[19:22] <digital_chaos> no company. old pc sitting in my room
[19:23] <jfroebe> up to you then
[19:23] <digital_chaos> cool because im starting to dump my logs into a database
[19:23] <digital_chaos> i think this can be prove useful
[19:23] <jfroebe> lots of good info on there I would suspect
[19:24] <digital_chaos> oh ya and makes you wonder what code is behind there requests
[19:24] <digital_chaos> not sure how to get that safely but im sure i could query it from there evil servers easily
[19:26] <digital_chaos> alot of requests from china and russia sctipters
[19:28] <Pici> Thats rather normal as far as internet facing servers go.  I get a number of login attempts on my boring server each day.
[19:28] <digital_chaos> through ssh or other means?
[19:28] <Pici> Through ssh mostly.
[19:29] <Pici> I use fail2ban though.
[19:29] <digital_chaos> ya me too i was not too worried about that as much as apache
[19:29] <digital_chaos> whats fail2ban
[19:29] <jfroebe> changing the port for ssh (22) to something else cuts down on the number of hits... won't prevent anyone that is doing bad though
[19:30] <digital_chaos> i was thinking about blocking but i want to log what they doing ya know
[19:30] <digital_chaos> i want to learn whats out there not avoid
[19:30] <jfroebe> you might want to consider setting up a honey pot if you don't care about that old box
[19:30] <digital_chaos> ya thats a good one.
[19:31] <Pici> fail2ban is not just for ssh, it has apache filters setup by default as well.
[19:31] <digital_chaos> no i need the box but as soon as i can come up on another one or two i will make a sweet sticky pot!!
[19:31] <digital_chaos> is fail2ban more software?
[19:31] <Pici> !info fail2ban
[19:32] <Pici> Its the first thing I install after I install ssh.
[19:32] <jfroebe> you can usually pick up a p4 box for about $15 in garage sales
[19:32] <digital_chaos> oh i see. sounds cool. i will look into it. you could write a script to do it light weght style or even iptables can block
[19:33] <digital_chaos> you know i wonder how to tell if someone actually compromised my system. i mean i suspect none but you never know unless you planned from the beginning on checking
[19:34] <jfroebe> take a look at tripwire
[19:34] <Lintt> Hey all , I have a question , have any of you tried connecting multiple networks using the same subnet over bridged vpn. Ie bridging 3 or more locations. Does STP work correctly over tap interfaces ? Are there known problems ?
[19:34] <digital_chaos> yes i have.
[19:35] <digital_chaos> i mean not you Lintt
[19:35] <Lintt> i kind of assumed , since it would lean you read very fast
[19:35] <Lintt> mean
[19:35] <digital_chaos> haha
[19:36] <digital_chaos> have you tried what you prpose yet
[19:37] <digital_chaos> oh yes that tripwire. i remember.
[19:39] <digital_chaos> my server install happened before i knew anything about linux. i mean i landed on the command line like wtf is this.. i need gui.. i need buttons!!! hahaha boy have times changed
[19:40] <digital_chaos> speaking of gui. does anyone know a good cli for irc
[19:40] <Lintt> telnet
[19:40] <Lintt> JK JK
[19:40] <digital_chaos> ha!
[19:41] <digital_chaos> telnet Lintt@weak_network !!
[19:41] <Lintt> hey !
[19:41] <digital_chaos> playin
[19:42] <Lintt> irc is mostly plai text
[19:42] <Lintt> plain
[19:42] <Lintt> you could prolly do a lot with telnet
[19:42] <digital_chaos> ya i used to use it years ago using mirc and invision on windows
[19:43] <digital_chaos> i just got on yesterday
[19:43] <digital_chaos> i spend mass hours all so alone doing my nerdy stuff with not a one to talk to on my level its sucks balls so i am in here looking for those who eat and breath information technology such as i
[19:44] <digital_chaos> i must admit those i have not seen a technical conversation of interest yet.. even bash room was lame..
[19:45] <digital_chaos> <-- going crazy
[19:49] <digital_chaos> how does one go about remaining anonymous of there location. a direction would be nice.
[19:50] <Lintt> in what way ?
[19:50] <digital_chaos> i do not fully understand proxy i know about tor
[19:51] <digital_chaos> like for example i want to visit a site say wiki leaks and be as anonymous and untracable as possible
[19:51] <Lintt> you have free minimal accrezs that can be used for chat etc
[19:51] <Lintt> go read at "my freedom"
[19:51] <digital_chaos> i mean i wanna hide
[19:51] <digital_chaos> can i google that?
[19:51] <Lintt> eep
[19:51] <Lintt> i mean
[19:52] <Lintt> "your freedom"
[19:52] <Lintt> it uses openvpn
[19:52] <Lintt> so you can do anything .. the free accouhnt is quite slow
[19:52] <Lintt> you have a feqw countries you can hide behind
[19:52] <Pici> What does this have to do with Ubuntu?
[19:52] <digital_chaos> everything my friend!!
[19:53] <Lintt> exactly
[19:53] <digital_chaos> newbs
[19:53] <digital_chaos> haha
[19:53] <Lintt> there's beter places than this channel mr chaos
[19:53] <Lintt> for stuff like that
[19:53] <soren> Yes. Yes, there is.
[19:54] <digital_chaos> juts for the record ubuntu is my os of choice i highly recommend it i use it i kill i love it alright
[19:54] <digital_chaos> i am trying to start conversation about ubuntu and using it
[19:54] <digital_chaos> no one is talking about anything ok
[19:55] <soren> That's beside the point.
[19:55] <Coder7> hey, anyone happen to know why all of my Ubuntu 10.04 servers are no longer allowing me to login with SSH? They seem to be running fine, and log messages indicate the SSH sessions are authenticating fine, but they just hang. This is a recent development on several servers I have.
[19:55] <Lintt> try the other channel
[19:55] <digital_chaos> this is boring i want to talk with people who do what i do
[19:55] <Pici> digital_chaos: Try #ubuntu-offtopic then
[19:55] <digital_chaos> k
[19:55] <soren> Coder7: DNS problem, perhaps? Does revers DNS lookups work?
[19:56] <Coder7> let me check
[19:57] <Lintt> there was a borked auto update yesterday if i remember
[19:57] <Lintt> idk if it was ssh related
[19:57] <Coder7> I'm thinking that an auto update might be to blame... nothing has really changed configuration wise
[19:57] <Lintt> i know i had 4 "tail-f" that were stuck at that point this morning
[19:58] <soren> Lintt: That's probably just logrotate doing its thing.
[19:58] <Lintt> probably
[19:59] <Lintt> strange they were all stuck at the auto updater line though
[20:00] <Coder7> soren: if it were reverse DNS, wouldn't the DNS eventually time out?
[20:00] <Coder7> also, wouldn't me hard coding the IP/hostname into the /etc/hosts file get rid of that?
[20:00] <Lintt> so , does anyone have any info on what i should look out for when bridging multiple tap interfaces on multiple locations .. will stp figure stuff out as needed even over vpn .. i don't want to create loops
[20:00] <Coder7> because neither is true in this case
[20:01] <soren> Coder7: Yes.
[20:01] <soren> Coder7: (on both counts)
[20:01] <Coder7> I'd just reboot the stuff, but one of the machines affected is a UEC controller with several instances on it
[20:02] <Coder7> some of the instances are affected as well, and I now have no way to gracefully shut them down since I can't login and they have no real terminal to fall back to
[20:03] <Coder7> it seems only the machines/instances configured to automatically install security updates are affected
[20:03] <Coder7> which is why I suspect a botched update
[20:04] <Coder7> needless to say, I'll now be disability all auto updates on Ubuntu for the same reasons I did in windows... they break more stuff than they fix
[20:04] <Coder7> disabiling*
[20:09] <SpamapS> damnit
[20:09] <SpamapS> I had an answer
[20:09] <binBASH> :)
[20:09] <binBASH> query him then :D
[20:13] <soren> SpamapS: What was it?
[20:15] <blistov> My dhcpd server previously had range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> specified, but I've since removed the range and restarted dhcpd, but clients are still being given ip's in that range so long as they had previously had a lease.  Anyone know how to stop this?
[20:16] <pmatulis> blistov: crazy that it happens isn't it
[20:19] <blistov> pmatulis, Yea, rebooting the server fixes it, but now on to another problem.
[20:20] <blistov> Now my ddns-updates aren't working, but no errors logged.
[20:20] <blistov> dhcpd: if ubuntu-temp0.cranesmart.com IN A rrset doesn't exist add ubuntu-temp0.test.com 3600 IN A <IP_ADDRESS>: not a zone.
[20:20] <blistov> Idea's?
[20:42] <SpamapS> soren: I was going to suggest that he run sshd on an alternate port in debug mode
[20:42] <soren> SpamapS: Ah.
[20:43] <soren> SpamapS: I thought you knew what was wrong :)
[20:56] <domas> hi! where can I find ddebs for lucid lynx server kernel?
[20:57] <Patrickdk> archive.ubuntu.com
[20:58] <domas> thanks!
[20:59] <domas> odd, can't see them in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/
[20:59] <domas> thats because I'm blind
[21:00] <domas> was looking for -3*
[21:01] <Patrickdk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.32-26-server_2.6.32-26.48_amd64.deb
[21:01] <domas> yes yes
[21:01] <domas> need linux-image-debug though
[22:42] <RoyK> anyone around_
[22:42] <RoyK> ?
[22:42] <FunkyBob> morning, all
[22:42] <RoyK> evening
[22:42] <FunkyBob> well, 285 is a lot easier to manage than 1502 :P
[22:42] <FunkyBob> am just exercising ubuntu server as a virtual server host...
[22:43] <RoyK> wtf are those numbers?
[22:43] <FunkyBob> people in here vs #ubuntu
[22:43]  * RoyK is setting up a test suite for testing zfs-fuse vs openindiana
[22:43] <RoyK> ah
[22:44] <RoyK> FunkyBob: I have a bunch of VMs on my primary (private) server
[22:44] <RoyK> works well
[22:45] <FunkyBob> well, I ran virt-instl... but then nothing showed in virsh...
[22:45] <FunkyBob> and after I reconfigured qemu to listen globally, not just localhost, I had to reboot to get it to change...
[22:45] <FunkyBob> now I can't find any way to find that vm...
[22:46] <FunkyBob> so.. whilst the tools are clear and easy to drive... they're not impressing me by actually _working_ yet
[22:46] <RoyK> virt-manager?
[22:46] <RoyK> I just use virt-manager
[22:46] <RoyK> works well
[22:46] <FunkyBob> is that the gui tool?
[22:47] <RoyK> yes, but I only use it remotely
[22:47] <FunkyBob> the docs say it is... so it's not an option
[22:47] <RoyK> ssh in, start virt-manager
[22:47] <RoyK> why isn't that an option?
[22:47] <RoyK> I don't run X on my server
[22:48] <RoyK> just the x libs
[22:48] <RoyK> which don't take up much space
[22:49] <FunkyBob> yeah, well... for many many reasons, we avoid _requiring_ gui tools where possible
[22:49] <RoyK> well, up to you
[22:49] <MeltingKeyboard> i have a question...
[22:49] <RoyK> FunkyBob: I like to have the opportunity to start an X app if in need
[22:49] <FunkyBob> where are the virtual maching details stored?
[22:50] <MeltingKeyboard> sorry for interrupting
[22:50] <RoyK> /var/lib/libvirt iirc
[22:50] <RoyK> MeltingKeyboard: just ask
[22:50] <FunkyBob> and.... what condition would cause virt-install to succeed, but virsh to not see it?
[22:51] <RoyK> FunkyBob: it merely automates things - works for me - do it with a hex editor if you want to - I'd use virt-manager
[22:51] <FunkyBob> lovely... it says the name is in use, but there are no files in /var/lib/libvirt
[22:51] <MeltingKeyboard> ok, I just upgraded my server from karmic to lucid so that I could use some of the new PHP 5.3 features in my installation of ZenPhoto...
[22:51] <RoyK> FunkyBob: did you start it as root?
[22:52] <MeltingKeyboard> and when I get everything upgraded it says that the mysql extentions are no longer there in the installation of 5.3
[22:52] <MeltingKeyboard> and ZenPhoto breaks as it requires mysql extentions
[22:52] <RoyK> MeltingKeyboard: you _upgraded_ from rh to ubuntu?
[22:53] <FunkyBob> I'd call that an upgrade :P
[22:53] <MeltingKeyboard> no, i upgraded from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04
[22:53] <MeltingKeyboard> also an upgrade :D
[22:53]  * RoyK is tired
[22:54] <MeltingKeyboard> i checked in the php.ini files for the extention=mysql.so
[22:54] <MeltingKeyboard> and all of them are not commented... however, the extention is not available to ZenPhoto... any thoughts?
[22:56] <MeltingKeyboard> I remember that during the upgrade, i opted to use my existing php.ini files... was that a mistake perhaps?
[22:56] <FunkyBob> RoyK: as for the "not installing X" ... it's a habit from the other side of the business... I have to keep remembering which side I'm working on
[22:56] <FunkyBob> RoyK: the "other" side has to be ultra paranoid about security, so we don't install anything we don't _have_ to
[22:58] <FunkyBob> also... virt-manager doesn't see the instance I set up... lovely
[23:06] <MeltingKeyboard> ok... i just located all the mysql.so files on my system... and none of them seem to be in the new installation directories... just in backup directories... where is mysql.so supposed to go?
[23:11] <MeltingKeyboard> hey i just fixed it
[23:11] <MeltingKeyboard> in the extention directory line of the php.ini file
[23:11] <MeltingKeyboard> it was pointing to the wrong extention directory
[23:12] <MeltingKeyboard> nice...
[23:12] <MeltingKeyboard> fixed
[23:12] <MeltingKeyboard> thanks for the help
[23:26] <hackeron_> how do I disable the feature of ubuntu showing the boot menu on failed boot? - This happens from time to time on my ubuntu servers and it's extremely annoying in a server configuration - I'd much rather have a timeout
[23:27] <tonyyarusso> failed boot?
[23:33] <hackeron_> tonyyarusso: well, it's not a failed boot, a system froze, I asked a local admin to press the reset button and ubuntu falsely thought the system failed to boot and shows the grub menu on screen instead of booting
[23:35] <hackeron_> tonyyarusso: so then I need to ask someone to plug a keyboard and press enter - this is all because ubuntu switched from a timeout before default boot to this weird failed boot detection
[23:38] <twb> hackeron_: I have lots of problems with it, too
[23:39] <twb> For example, I made an LV read-only at the LV level, which made the fsck pass on it fail, which made mountall exit(4), which made upstart refuse to boot AT ALL.
[23:39] <hackeron_> twb: I know I can edit the boot scripts, but that breaks every new grub revision
[23:39] <twb> There was no way to fix it without using a live medium, despite that LV having NOTHING to do with the boot process
[23:40] <hackeron_> twb: yeh, I get that removing the 5 seconds from a desktop boot is useful, but this is just silly for a server to *force* user interraction in these cases
[23:40] <twb> hackeron_: I tend to just replace grub with extlinux
[23:40] <hackeron_> twb: it's not even grub, it's the new boot scripts in ubuntu, you need to edit them to remove the /failboot or whatever they use detection
[23:40] <hackeron_> but apt-get upgrade breaks it again :(
[23:40] <hackeron_> I will try extlinux, thanks
[23:41] <twb> Yeah, that's no nearly so easy
[23:41] <hackeron_> wonder which dev thought this is a good idea for a server distribution
[23:44] <twb> I doubt they thought about it at all
[23:46] <Hypnoz> I adjusted hdd size in vmware, and trying to have the guest recognize the new disk size without rebooting. It shows up in dmesg but not in fdisk. any suggestions?
[23:49] <hackeron_> twb: ok, so I just do apt-get install extlinux and reboot?


[01:06]  * thumper goes to look for food for lunch
[01:07] <thumper> axw, wallyworld_: I have the last of juju-run up for review in three hunks
[01:07] <wallyworld_> ok, will look in a bit
[01:09] <axw> thumper: yup, was about to have a look
[01:24] <wallyworld_> thumper: dumb logging question
[01:24] <wallyworld_> thumper: i have a logger i have just created in the mock charm store
[01:25] <wallyworld_> if i log Infof, nothing is written. i have to log Errorf to see some output
[01:25] <wallyworld_> i'm not sure why in this once case the messages are being filtered like that
[01:26] <thumper> wallyworld_: got the code?
[01:26] <wallyworld_> this is in a test where i capture log output
[01:26] <wallyworld_> i'll pastebin
[01:26] <thumper> ok...
[01:26] <thumper> the default logging for the test is probably set to warning
[01:27] <thumper> what I do in test setups where I want more logging is this...
[01:27] <thumper> loggo.GetLogger("my.test.thing").SetLogLevel(loggo.TRACE)
[01:27] <thumper> the logging levels get cleared during the logging test suite setup
[01:27] <thumper> in testing/testbase
[01:29] <wallyworld_> thumper: https://pastebin.canonical.com/102760/
[01:29] <wallyworld_> the same code works elsewhere i think
[01:29] <wallyworld_> i can try setting the log level to trace
[01:29] <wallyworld_> when i say the same code works elsewhere, i mean that in non test code, log capture works as expected
[01:30] <wallyworld_> ie the logger is created in prod code and no SetLogLevel is required
[01:30] <wallyworld_> in my pastebin, if i change Infof to Errorf it works
[01:31] <thumper> have I mentioned recently that using logging to confirm things is a terrible idea?
[01:32] <wallyworld_> yes
[01:32] <wallyworld_> but it's not easy to do anything else
[01:32] <thumper> I bet your logger isn't using "juju." as the base
[01:33] <thumper> look at testing/testbase/log.go:48
[01:33] <wallyworld_> ah i changed it to juju and it worked
[01:33] <wallyworld_> didn't realise juju was special
[01:34] <thumper> juju is always special
[01:35] <wallyworld_> so with the log verification thing, the header value passed in has no effect on the mock store functionality, it is just a label so to speak. so very hard to verify that is has been passed through
[01:51] <axw> thumper: dunno if you saw, I put up a CL for destroy-env in manual. I've been doing testing of bootstrap on Windows, and found more problems (unrelated to my changes)
[01:51] <thumper> axw: ok
[01:51] <thumper> I'm just looking at your review
[01:51] <thumper> paste a link and I'll look next
[01:51] <axw> will carry on with that, and then get onto getting manual provisioning in non-null working
[01:52] <axw> thumper: did I miss anything at the end of the meeting yesterday? my wifi died
[01:55] <thumper> axw: not really
[02:08] <axw> thumper: "sure, although this is paranoia as there is no other return options." -- I was thinking about panics, mainly. not going to happen with the code as it stands, but someone else might come along and botch it up
[02:08] <thumper> axw: ah, interesting point
[02:08] <thumper> weird having a language that "kinda" has exceptions,
[02:08] <thumper> either you should, or shouldn't, but mixing them is weird
[02:09] <axw> like I said, it's me being paranoid; as the code stands, it's actually not necessary and your code works fine
[02:10] <thumper> I still changed it :)
[02:14] <thumper> axw: where is the code that removes the upstart job on SIGABORT?
[02:15] <axw> thumper: preexisting, in cmd/jujud/machine.go, uninstallAgent
[02:15] <axw> thumper: the same code that runs when destroy-machine is run, is exercised by this
[02:16] <wallyworld_> axw: i'm looking at your ssh fingerprint branch. two issues - 1.for me md5.Sum() is not valid. i need to use md5.New().Sum() and 2. the fingerprint is different to ssh-keygen -lf which is why I abandoned ny attempt to write a go version
[02:16] <thumper> axw: ok, nice
[02:16] <axw> wallyworld_: md5.Sum is not valid?
[02:17] <wallyworld_> not for me. my go src does not have it
[02:17] <axw> wallyworld_: if the fingerprint is different, why do all the tests pass?
[02:17] <thumper> :P
[02:17] <axw> wat
[02:17] <axw> maybe it's a 1.2 thing
[02:18] <wallyworld_> axw: perhaps the fingerprint is different when not using 1.2
[02:18] <axw> wallyworld_: if you changed it to use md5.New.Sum, I know why it's not working
[02:18] <axw> because the slice returned does not have len == md5.Size
[02:19] <wallyworld_> ah ok
[02:19] <axw> wallyworld_: are you on 1.1?
[02:19] <axw> does crypto/md5 have the Size constant?
[02:19] <wallyworld_> i think so yeah
[02:19] <wallyworld_> let me check
[02:19] <wallyworld_> firsly, i'm on go 1.1.2
[02:20] <axw> it would be nice if the docs had "since <version>" like the Python docs
[02:20] <wallyworld_> it does have the SIze constant
[02:20] <axw> thanks
[02:20] <wallyworld_> +1 to that
[02:21] <thumper> axw: you gocrpto ssh branch is kinda hefty
[02:21] <axw> thumper: yeah I'm going to split it
[02:21] <axw> that was silly
[02:22] <axw> I did want to get feedback on general direction tho
[02:25] <thumper> I'll look after my coffee
[02:25] <axw> I will write some fingerprint tests after my tea
[03:00] <thumper> hmm... looks like the bot is stuck maybe?
[03:01] <thumper> axw: what do you think we should do if the results aren't utf-8 capable?
[03:02] <thumper> axw: how about base64 encoding it and add a flag?
[03:03] <axw> thumper: json/yaml will do that for you if it's []byte
[03:03] <thumper> hmm...
[03:03] <axw> if you're running one command, I'd just write it directly to Stdout/Stderr as it is
[03:04] <thumper> axw: a key reason I didn't like keeping it as []byte is that it isn't easy to compare against
[03:04] <axw> then you cat binaries and whatever :)
[03:04] <thumper> axw: perhaps that doesn't matter...
[03:04] <thumper> except...
[03:04] <thumper> if you are running on multiple machines
[03:04] <thumper> even with smart
[03:04] <thumper> you'll get multip results
[03:04] <thumper> I'd prefer to have a string if I can, and be explicit if I can't
[03:05] <axw> doesn't smart go to json/yaml if there are multiple targets?
[03:05] <thumper> yaml
[03:05] <thumper> but if the stdout is []byte
[03:05] <thumper> it is unreadble
[03:06] <axw> yeah, so I'm just suggesting it be base64-encoded if it's not a valid utf-8 string
[03:06] <thumper> that I can do
[03:06] <axw> you might have to add an additional field tho
[03:07] <axw> so you can distinguish base64-encoded binary from something that was already base64
[03:07] <thumper> yeah, that was my thinking too
[03:07] <thumper> also, I do like the idea of supporting globs...
[03:07] <thumper> but perhaps not just yet
[03:07] <thumper> :)
[03:07] <thumper> let's get the basics out there
[03:08] <axw> yep fair enough
[03:09]  * axw wishes the bot would hurry up and merge destroy-env, so he can do a happy dance
[03:09] <thumper> axw: how do I check for valid utf8?
[03:10] <thumper> axw: bot is stuck
[03:10] <axw> thumper: utf8.Valid
[03:10] <axw> aw poop
[03:10] <thumper> is that encoding/utf8?
[03:10]  * thumper pokes the bot
[03:10] <axw> just utf8
[03:10]  * thumper tries to remember all the steps...
[03:14] <thumper> there was a lock file there
[03:14]  * thumper deleted it
[03:14] <thumper> and is watching the log
[03:14] <thumper> for some reason, chose mine first
[03:14] <thumper> it is running again
[03:15] <thumper> axw: unicode/utf8
[03:15] <axw> thumper: eh, yes, sorry
[03:16] <thumper> ctrl+. ctrl+p uft8
[03:18] <thumper> axw: example invalid utf8 for a test?
[03:19] <axw> umm
[03:19] <axw> 0xFF ?
[03:19] <thumper> kk
[03:20] <axw> thumper: MSB indicates there's more bytes coming after to make up the rune
[03:21] <wallyworld_> thumper: i commented on one of your branches - i disagree with the need to pass in apiConfig
[03:22] <thumper> while I agree only the datadir is needed right now, it seemed more reasonable to pass in the entire config interface than a single value
[03:22] <thumper> however I don't care strongly
[03:23] <wallyworld_> thumper: it's just that we have a method off agentConfig which extracts values
[03:23] <wallyworld_> so with your approach we are inconsistent
[03:23] <wallyworld_> we are extracting values off the config, and then passing the config in anyway
[03:24] <wallyworld_> and someone wrote that StateAPIInfo method or whatever it's called to get just the bits needed
[03:24] <wallyworld_> I'm neutral on the need for that method etc - just want to be consistent
[03:25] <thumper> wallyworld_: that was mostly to avoid rewriting too many tests...
[03:25] <thumper> but I can fix
[03:25] <thumper> I was trying to be lazy
[03:25] <wallyworld_> :-)
[03:25] <thumper> like all good programmers
[03:25] <thumper> yes I realised it was a little icky
[03:25] <thumper> but my fucks to be given was approaching zero
[03:25] <wallyworld_> can understand that
[03:26] <wallyworld_> but i twitched a lot reading the code
[03:26] <wallyworld_> my view - StateAPIInfo shgould return a struct
[03:26] <wallyworld_> not individual attrs
[03:27] <wallyworld_> and then you can add dataDir to that struct
[03:27] <wallyworld_> and we can extend easily if needed
[03:27] <wallyworld_> without changing method signatures etc
[03:52]  * axw happy dances
[03:52] <axw> manual provider is complete
[04:08]  * wallyworld_ -> shops for dinner food
[04:15] <thumper> wallyworld_: I actually took your advice and just passed through the datadir
[04:15]  * thumper runs the tests to see if all are still good
[08:22] <rogpeppe> mornin' all
[10:09] <fwereade> dimitern, hey, would you give the bot a little kick please? there are a few branches that are lying around approved
[10:10] <dimitern> fwereade, sure, looking
[10:48] <dimitern> fwereade, jam, standup
[11:12] <natefinch> when anyone gets a chance, very small change to fix the tests in trusty (or for anyone else with a newer version of git): https://codereview.appspot.com/49470047
[11:24] <natefinch> rogpeppe: ^^ this should help your tests on trusty
[11:27] <rogpeppe> natefinch: reviewed
[11:38] <natefinch> dimitern, mgz: bot appears out of disk space
[11:38] <natefinch> rMsg:"syncThread: 14031 Can't take a write lock while out of disk space", Healthy:true, State:5, Uptime:60, Ping:0}}}
[11:39] <dimitern> natefinch, hmm - I cleaned up /tmp/ - maybe it managed to get into a loop or something and exhaust it again
[11:39] <dimitern> (so soon anyway - it never happened like this before)
[11:40] <rogpeppe> this hopefully mean we can lose the forked http package from gwacl: https://codereview.appspot.com/48580043
[11:40] <dimitern> natefinch, it doesn't seem it runs out of space: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6726123/
[11:41] <hazmat> any simple streams experts around?
[11:41] <dimitern> natefinch, maybe you're looking at an earlier log/
[11:41] <dimitern> ?
[11:41] <dimitern> hazmat, wallyworld_  is your man
[11:42] <hazmat> wallyworld_, you around? got a user on irc  (private channel) having some issues getting set up with their private openstack cloud
[11:42] <wallyworld_> hey, i've had a few drinks but i'm here :-)
[11:42] <hazmat> their doing the juju-metadata generate-images but they still get errors against it
[11:43] <wallyworld_> log?
[11:43] <hazmat> wallyworld_, coming up via priv msg
[11:43] <wallyworld_> ok
[11:46] <natefinch> dimitern: it was from 15 minutes ago... but maybe somethnig else is going on
[11:47] <TheMue> fwereade: heya, would you mind another look at https://codereview.appspot.com/44540043/?
[11:48] <dimitern> natefinch, bizarre.. have you tried turning it off and on again? :) reapprove i mean
[11:52] <fwereade> TheMue, should get to it soon, but probably after lunch
[11:52] <fwereade> TheMue, (stuttering: tailer.FilterFunc reads better than tailer.TailerFilterFunc)
[11:56] <natefinch> dimitern: trying again
[12:16] <mattyw> fwereade, would you be ok if we resheduled the juju id meeting to monday?
[12:18] <fwereade> mattyw, sure :)
[12:20] <mattyw> fwereade, tue instead if that's ok
[12:21] <TheMue> back from lunch
[12:22] <TheMue> fwereade: ah, ok, will change that
[14:12] <wallyworld_> mgz: ping
[14:13] <mgz> wallyworld_: hey
[14:13] <wallyworld_> hi, there's a guy having trouble with openstack and juju
[14:13] <wallyworld_> he has his image metadata in a container, the perms seem correct, but he can't read the json files
[14:14] <mgz> is there a bug or mailing list thread I should be looking at?
[14:14] <wallyworld_> ie if he pastes the link in a browser, it says unauth
[14:15] <wallyworld_> mgz: i'll pm you the private irc channel details
[16:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade: i just left you a query on https://codereview.appspot.com/49470047/
[16:28] <natefinch> rogpeppe: I don't think you actually CC'd fwereade in this: https://codereview.appspot.com/49470047/#msg6
[16:28] <rogpeppe> natefinch: I pinger him above
[16:28] <rogpeppe> pinged
[16:29] <natefinch> rogpeppe: oh, missed it, ok.
[16:29] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i presume he sees the emails anyway
[16:32] <fwereade> natefinch, rogpeppe: sorry, I'm kinda focused on a weird bug
[16:32] <rogpeppe> fwereade: no probs
[16:32] <natefinch> fwereade: no rush, definitely
[19:08] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i'd appreciate a review of this, if you could. it's only a staging post, but I'm hoping that it implements the core part of the replica set maintenance algorithm reasonably: https://codereview.appspot.com/49920045
[19:08] <rogpeppe> fwereade: ^
[19:08]  * rogpeppe is now done for the week
[19:08] <rogpeppe> happy weekends all!
[19:16] <natefinch> rogpeppe: sure thing