[12:23] <LaserJock> what happens if I delete /etc/network/interfaces? will the network GUI recreate it for me?
[12:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: should do, I think
[12:26] <LaserJock> nice, that didn't work either
[12:44] <azeem> what is the best practise format for mentioning closed bugs in changelogs? * Foo. (Closes Malone #123)?
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 123 in rosetta "There's no direct way to see the project info when translating it" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/123
[12:44] <azeem> Ubugtu: thx
[12:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: so what's the issue?
[12:46] <LaserJock> ah well
[12:46] <LaserJock> no dns or gateway
[12:47] <LaserJock> grr
[12:47] <zul> hola
[12:47] <LaserJock> ok, so the GUI network configuration is totally screwed up for me
[12:47] <imbrandon> heya zul
[12:47] <LaserJock> I can get eth0 up
[12:47] <imbrandon> LaserJock: ouch
[12:48] <LaserJock> but I don't know how to add dns servers from CLI
[12:48] <Lathiat>  /etc/resolv.conf
[12:48] <zul> you edit /etc/resolv.conf
[12:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock: one per line in resolve.conf
[12:48] <LaserJock> yeah, but ....
[12:48] <LaserJock> things are really weirded out there
[12:49] <LaserJock> resolv.conf seems to get overwritten on reboot
[12:49] <Lathiat> lathiat@chiana:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:49] <Lathiat> search lathiat.net
[12:49] <Lathiat> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:49] <Fujitsu> They don't actually mention the <IP_ADDRESS> changes in <IP_ADDRESS>...
[12:49] <Lathiat> LaserJock: is resolvconf installed (the package)
[12:49] <imbrandon> means something is your interfaces is set to dhcp probably
[12:49] <Lathiat> or that
[12:49] <Lathiat> or do you use pppoe?
[12:50] <LaserJock> Lathiat: yep
[12:50] <LaserJock> no ppoe
[12:50] <LaserJock> I'm on a school network with static ips
[12:50] <Lathiat> resolvconf can fiddle with your file depending on things
[12:50] <Lathiat> check /etc/network/interfaces
[12:50] <Lathiat> for some dns-* lines
[12:50] <LaserJock> done that
[12:50] <LaserJock> I have dns- lines
[12:50] <LaserJock> but it doesn't help
[12:50] <imbrandon> iface eth0 inet static <-- correct ?
[12:50] <LaserJock> yep
[12:51] <Lathiat> what are they beign changed to?
[12:51] <imbrandon> hrm and no other interfactes have dhcp enabled ?
[12:51] <LaserJock> no
[12:51] <imbrandon> hrm , yea whats it being changed to ?
[12:51] <LaserJock> Lathiat: nothing is being changed I don't think
[12:52] <Lathiat> well whats 'going wrong' ?
[12:52] <LaserJock> no DNS
[12:52] <LaserJock> I think my gateway might be ook
[12:52] <Lathiat> as in dns 'doesnt work'
[12:52] <LaserJock> but maybe not
[12:52] <LaserJock> right
[12:52] <Lathiat> whats in /etc/resolv.conf
[12:52] <Lathiat> when its not working
[12:52] <Lathiat> and what do you have to do to fix it
[12:52] <Lathiat> ?
[12:52] <LaserJock> well, there is no /etc/resolv.conf exactly
[12:53] <LaserJock> it's a sym link
[12:53] <Lathiat> yeh thats the resolvconf stuff
[12:53] <Lathiat> try purge the resolvconf package
[12:53] <LaserJock> to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
[12:53] <Lathiat> and see if that helps
[12:53] <Lathiat> resolvconf always drives me nuts
[12:53] <Lathiat> that measn yoru dns-* lines in e/tc/network/interfaces wont work but you can set it manually
[12:53] <LaserJock> can I run without resolveconf?
[12:54] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:54] <Lathiat> just set the file manually after you purge it
[12:54] <Lathiat> its just a convenience thign
[12:54] <Lathiat> if it scausing problems remove it and see if it helps
[12:54] <LaserJock> >:(
[12:54] <LaserJock> it is?!!
[12:54] <LaserJock> I had a perfectly fine running system
[12:55] <LaserJock> I've had that resolve.conf forever
[12:55] <Lathiat> heh
[12:56] <imbrandon> whop looks like netwrking got reset
[12:58] <Lathiat> heh woops
[12:59] <Lathiat> wow php4 security isa mess
[12:59] <Lathiat> no wonder its in universe
[01:00] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[01:00] <Lathiat> i set out on a task of securityt updating it, i think i'm goign to be here a while ;)
[01:00] <ajmitch> Lathiat: infinity will love you, I'm sure
[01:01] <Fujitsu> I'm currently almost finished with a Tor security flaw in Breezy and Dapper, but Hoary is another question entirely.
[01:01] <Lathiat> is that supposed to be funny or serious? I'm not sure if theres a joke in ther eim missing.. ;p
[01:01] <imbrandon> php security peroid is a mess out of the box
[01:01] <imbrandon> heh gl
[01:01] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, horay eol is soon isnt it ?
[01:02] <imbrandon> hoary*
[01:02] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, a month, yes.
[01:02] <Lathiat> but i run php4 on a breezy and a dapper server so i'd definitely like to fix it :)
[01:02] <azeem> so if I want to have a package foo_1.2-1 from Debian NEW in edgy, should I upload foo_1.2-1ubuntu1 or foo_1.2-0ubuntu1 or what?
[01:02] <imbrandon> not php5 ?
[01:02] <Lathiat> nope
[01:02] <Lathiat> php5 has compatability issues
[01:02] <Lathiat> so on large customer focused servers its a no go
[01:02] <Lathiat> main one is domxml
[01:03] <ajmitch> we still use php4 at work
[01:03] <Fujitsu> azeem, as in not in Sid yet?
[01:03] <lupine_85> OOP ++
[01:03] <Fujitsu> PHP OOP --
[01:03] <azeem> Fujitsu: yes
[01:03] <Lathiat> hahaha
[01:03] <Fujitsu> azeem, -0ubuntu1.
[01:03] <imbrandon> azeem, i would say -1ubuntu1 if its in incomming etc , not sure
[01:04] <azeem> I wonder what the changelog should be
[01:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, but that's newer that -1.
[01:04] <Fujitsu> azeem, see my last upload of soundconverter...
[01:04] <lupine_85> well, I suppose my "OOP" app right now uses C-style functions to display the actual page text ;)
[01:04] <imbrandon> azeem, but if its based of that package
[01:04] <lupine_85> but it's OK
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Like, I did a preemptive sync of soundconverter, and just said `Preemptive sync from Debian Sid, this is actually 0.9.1-1'
[01:05] <azeem> Fujitsu: how will you manage the changelog on the next sync?
[01:06] <imbrandon> exactly heh
[01:06] <imbrandon> thus i say if its based on the same package -1 that WILL be in sid then it should be -1ubuntu1 IMHO
[01:06] <imbrandon> wb LaserJock
[01:06] <Fujitsu> azeem, by syncing the next version.
[01:06] <LaserJock> phew
[01:07] <LaserJock> well that was interesting
[01:07] <azeem> well, I maintain it in Debian as well, so I don't care about the "must be lower than next Debian release" rule a lot in this case
[01:07] <LaserJock> as soon as I fixed the other computer my main computer lost it's network
[01:07] <Fujitsu> azeem, like, if it comes to Edgy+1 and Sid is still on 0.9.1-1, then I can sync 0.9.1-1.
[01:07] <LaserJock> had to reboot
[01:07] <Fujitsu> azeem, I maintain soundconverter in Debian as well.
[01:08] <azeem> Fujitsu: heh, ok, so you'll drop the 0ubuntu1 entry?
[01:08] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, yea but that makes a mess of bug reports
[01:08] <Fujitsu> azeem, in the sync it will naturally be dropped.
[01:08] <azeem> I keep Ubuntu changelog entries in my Debian packages, if possible
[01:08] <azeem> ok, I'll think about something, not a big deal
[01:09] <LaserJock> what package are you talking about?
[01:09] <Lathiat> ah wb LaserJock ;p
[01:09] <azeem> gnome-chemistry-utils
[01:09] <Lathiat> i must head off to work now, enjoy your network settings..
[01:10] <LaserJock> Lathiat: yes, stupid resolvconf
[01:10] <Lathiat> ah ti was that?
[01:10] <LaserJock> oh yes
[01:10] <Fujitsu> azeem, ah, great! I was hoping we'd get a new one of those :D
[01:10] <Lathiat> heh resolvconf always drives me nuts :)
[01:10] <LaserJock> between that and gnome-system-tools not being able to handle static IPs
[01:12] <LaserJock> I guess I'm in the minority
[01:13] <lupine_85> me neither :)
[01:13] <lupine_85> I CBA integrating it with my DNS server
[01:14] <LaserJock> hmm, can a Desktop CD be used to dist-upgrade?
[01:14] <Fujitsu> My integration works nicely...
[01:14] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, no.
[01:14] <LaserJock> that's what I thought
[01:14] <LaserJock> that kinda stinks
[01:15] <LaserJock> I've never set a server either so ...
[01:15] <LaserJock> *set up
[01:16] <LaserJock> my dsl router can do DHCP I guess, but I don't want it to because of some port fowarding
[01:16] <lupine_85> I'm just lazy, and don't see the point of it for 4 PCs
[01:16] <lupine_85> radvd is also a bit of a joke
[01:17] <Fujitsu> I do DHCP with a static entries for port forwarding.
[01:17] <Fujitsu> IPv6 FTW!
[01:17] <lupine_85> no doubt I'd feel differently if I were dealing with 10+ PCs though :)
[01:17] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: right, but I only have 2 computers so once I have a static entry for one ...
[01:17] <Fujitsu> Ah, 2 computers.
[01:17] <Fujitsu> That's different.
[01:17] <LaserJock> here at school  though we have 100+ computers
[01:17] <LaserJock> static
[01:18] <LaserJock> but I guess we have wireless on top of that that is DHCP
[01:18] <LaserJock> but I rarely use it
[01:18] <LaserJock> but I like having it static
[01:18] <LaserJock> because I can log in to my computer from home
[01:19] <LaserJock> easily
[01:19] <LaserJock> anywho, my network crisis is solved thanks to Lathiat
[01:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:39] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[01:39] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[01:39] <lupine_85> hi
[01:39] <lupine_85> btw, did you get that package yet?
[01:39] <bddebian> Hello lupine_85
[01:40] <lupine_85> erm, "package" comment was to imbrandon :)
[01:40] <bddebian> I figured that :-)
[01:41] <imbrandon> lupine_85, what package ? ohhh no
[01:41] <imbrandon> not yet
[01:41] <lupine_85> it's on it's way, never fear :)
[01:42] <imbrandon> hehe yea, honestly i had forgen about it, would have been a nice suprise when it comes ;)
[01:42] <lupine_85> sorry for spoiling it ;)
[01:42] <imbrandon> heheh no worries ;)
[01:43] <Q-FUNK> gmbl
[01:46] <keescook> anyone have time to review a crash-fix I made a debdiff for?  bug 62309
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62309 in abuse-sdl "abuse segfaults on exit" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62309
[01:48] <Fujitsu> Hm.. I should have probably applied the security fix to the Breezy package before pbuilding it >_>
[01:56] <Fujitsu> Which list should I send the tor security fix debdiffs to? security-review?
[01:57] <tseng> yes
[01:58] <crimsun> keescook: looks sane to me
[01:59] <keescook> crimsun: cool.  Can you upload it?  (I don't have perms to upload.)
[01:59] <crimsun> sure (though I suspect you'll have privs tomorrow :-)
[01:59] <zul> oooh...freshmeat :)
[01:59] <crimsun> I would presume so :-)
[01:59] <zul> ajmitch: didnt you? :)
[02:00] <ajmitch> bah
[02:00] <ajmitch> took me months of bribing the right people
[02:00] <keescook> I'm not sure I want coredev that quick!  ;)
[02:03] <crimsun> keescook: uploaded, queue's in manual accept so it may be a bit before you get the ACCEPT
[02:04] <keescook> cool, thanks.
[02:04] <crimsun> np
[02:14] <bddebian> So, what should be be focusing on coming up on freeze?
[02:14] <lupine_85> me me me me me :D
[02:17] <crimsun> bddebian: newer upstream versions that fix considerable bugs, imo
[02:17] <crimsun> I think I've pretty much uploaded my last new upstream version of whatever package
[02:18] <Fujitsu> I've only done the two, and they were both to eliminate gstreamer0.8.
[02:19] <crimsun> I think Fujitsu and geser have the syncs/merges under wraps, and I anticipate Fujitsu getting universe privs tomorrow, so that shouldn't be a stopper
[02:19] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately, I need to find somebody to sign my key in the very near future.
[02:20] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Come to Philadelpia, I'll sign it ;-P
[02:20] <Fujitsu> :P
[02:20] <bddebian> Err Philadelphia eve
[02:20] <bddebian> n
[02:22] <bddebian> Oh so Fujitsu and geser did azureus? Sweet
[02:22] <Fujitsu> I am NOT going near that abomination.
[02:22] <geser> I didn't touch azureus, didn't even look at it
[02:22] <bddebian> That's it, no vote for you ;-P
[02:22] <Fujitsu> geser, that's a good policy.
[02:22] <crimsun> azureus is solely for deities
[02:22] <bddebian> crimsun: Ah great, tell me how it goes then :-)
[02:23] <Fujitsu> geser, don't look at it, you'll immediately begin to burn.
[02:23] <Q-FUNK> is this #ubuntouch ?
[02:23] <tseng> aha
[02:23] <crimsun> hah
[02:23] <tseng> nice
[02:23] <Q-FUNK> ;)
[02:24] <geser> I looked once on the merge report for it and stopped after a few lines in the concflicts section
[02:25] <Fujitsu> geser, good, good. I'm suprised you're still alive, though.
[02:31] <crimsun> Fujitsu: the standard practice for security debdiffs is to mention the CVE if available. Here it's CVE-2006-4508.
[02:32] <Fujitsu> OK, oops... I'll add them and reupload the debdiffs...
[02:32] <Fujitsu> I can't delete attachments, can I..
[02:33] <crimsun> I don't think so, but it's not that big a deal
[02:33] <crimsun> (pitti and keescook will likely only consider the most recent debdiff)
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Just mention it under References?
[02:37] <crimsun> yep
[02:39] <zul> heh is keescook my new kernel-security master? :)
[02:39] <keescook> maaaybe....
[02:39] <crimsun> :)
[02:39] <keescook> :)
[02:39] <keescook> I'll wait until pitti says I'm a master of anything.  :P
[02:40] <imbrandon> zul, is there a meta package ( or will there be ) for the latest xen domU kernel
[02:40] <imbrandon> s/U//
[02:41] <zul> argh!! working on it..
[02:41] <imbrandon> now worries, just wondering bro ;)
[02:41] <imbrandon> s/now/no
[02:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:41] <crimsun> hmm, benh posted to ubuntu-users.  Sec.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[03:24] <lukaswayne9> Could someone take a look at my simple package upgrade?
[03:24] <lukaswayne9> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214
[03:51] <LaserJock> :/
[03:51] <Fujitsu> ?
[03:52] <LaserJock> sorry
[03:52] <LaserJock> just frustrated
[03:52] <LaserJock> I don't know what my problem is
[03:53] <Fujitsu> :(
[03:53] <LaserJock> I must be cracking under the stress
[03:53] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:53] <LaserJock> last night it was forums
[03:53] <ajmitch> uh oh
[03:53] <Fujitsu> So it was :P
[03:53] <LaserJock> tonight it's the magical ML where nothing is on topic ;-)
[03:53] <zul> forums are so much fun though :)
[03:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just let it drift by...
[03:54] <LaserJock> I know I know
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Which ML in particular?
[03:54] <LaserJock> don't worry
[03:54] <Hobbsee> -users, i expect
[03:54] <LaserJock> hehe no
[03:54] <Fujitsu> -devel?
[03:54] <LaserJock> mhm
[03:54] <zul> sounder?
[03:54] <Fujitsu> The 686 kernel one?
[03:55] <joejaxx> does anyone know what ubuntu uses to handle svg+xml mime types?
[03:55] <LaserJock> mhm
[03:55] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I thought that was a bit odd. It's very very close to on topic, if not on topic.
[03:55] <LaserJock> I've been on -devel for over a year now
[03:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: delete thread
[03:55] <ajmitch> or mark as read
[03:55] <zul> or ignore
[03:56] <ajmitch> whatever avoids you having to look at it
[03:56] <LaserJock> and I've just come to the realization that it is more "developer disscusion" rather then "development discussion"
[03:56] <LaserJock> which makes me a little sad
[03:56] <LaserJock> but I don't make the rules, thankfully ;-)
[03:57] <Fujitsu> So let's change the description, and start another flamewar about changing the description without consulting the user.
[03:57] <lotusleaf> lol
[03:57] <LaserJock> hehe
[03:57] <lotusleaf> break the dishes crack the plates
[03:57] <lotusleaf> that's what Bilbo Baggins Hates
[03:58] <zul> electrical shocks would be good
[03:58] <LaserJock> I'd like to have a good, healthy, constructive discussion
[03:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, that'd be nice... But not going to happen.
[03:59] <LaserJock> but it seems I'm only dreaming ;-)
[03:59] <joejaxx> i want to ask a question in #*-devel but i am afraid i whould meet ridicule once again
[03:59] <joejaxx> was going to*
[03:59] <LaserJock> joejaxx: ask it here then
[03:59] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i did :)
[03:59] <LaserJock> oh, good
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Yeah, we're unlikely to eat you.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> much
[04:00] <joejaxx> i need to find out what handles svg+xml mime types
[04:00] <joejaxx> because right now icons are not working on fluxbuntu
[04:00] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: lol
[04:00] <Fujitsu> Thanks, Hobbsee.
[04:00] <Fujitsu> But I'll hopefully have some MOTU powers in less than 24 hours too!
[04:00] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: motu powers?
[04:00] <Fujitsu> joejaxx, that's one thing you need to watch out for in here.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:00] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: haha
[04:01] <lotusleaf> joejaxx: she-ra +5 sponge of supple bathing
[04:01] <joejaxx> lotusleaf: lol
[04:01] <zul> she-ra rocks
[04:01] <zul> that or jem ;)
[04:02] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i accidentally broke the image handler in Fluxbuntu
[04:02] <joejaxx> when removing packages
[04:02] <joejaxx> because it worked in Rev1 but not Rev2
[04:03] <joejaxx> which is why i need tofind out what handles the svg+xml mime type in Ubuntu :)
[04:08] <minghua> LaserJock is indeed a conversation invoker in this channel :-)
[04:09] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia
[04:09] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[04:10] <imbrandon> heya Burgundavia
[04:10] <LaserJock> minghua: sortty :(
[04:10] <Burgundavia> hey imbrandon
[04:10] <LaserJock> sorry
[04:10] <LaserJock> jeeze, tty everthing ;-)
[04:11] <minghua> LaserJock: I didn't mean to blame you at all :-)
[04:11] <ajmitch> FDS is made up of lots of nasty components with weird & colourful build systems
[04:11] <minghua> be back soon
[04:11] <imbrandon> FDS ?
[04:11] <lotusleaf> most underrated bill murray movie of all time: The Razor's Edge: http://imdb.com/title/tt0087980/
[04:11] <ajmitch> fedora directory server
[04:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: including the evil one?
[04:11] <imbrandon> ahh yea i could imagine, all Directory type systems are magic to me still
[04:12] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: sorry?
[04:12] <imbrandon> i tried to setup a simple nis server here and failed ( after only 2 hours ) , maybe some other day
[04:12] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yada
[04:12] <ajmitch> no, not packaging systems
[04:12] <ajmitch> build systems
[04:12] <ajmitch> this isn't packaged yet
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:13] <imbrandon> i supose they all dont have the same build system ?
[04:13] <ajmitch> haha no
[04:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:13] <ajmitch> and it's old netscape source
[04:13] <imbrandon> ahhhhh /that/ one
[04:13] <ajmitch> with a good lump of java thrown in there as well
[04:13] <imbrandon> its been through like 3 companies hands
[04:14] <imbrandon> and then gpl'd
[04:14] <imbrandon> haha
[04:14] <imbrandon> tequela
[04:14] <Burgundavia> FDS is sadly the best we have
[04:14] <joejaxx> fds?
[04:14] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: best, at least until you try & build it
[04:14] <ajmitch> joejaxx: see above
[04:14] <imbrandon> joejaxx, read up about 15 lines
[04:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:15] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I am talking about features
[04:15] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I was carving the LDAP C SDK out of firefox sources last night to try & get it built
[04:15] <Burgundavia> interesting
[04:16] <ajmitch> fairly self-contained, except it wants to symlink everything rather than copy
[04:16] <ajmitch> I should fix that quickly tonight
[04:16] <ajmitch> & then I can get back to fixing up some of the other components
[04:17] <joejaxx> oh ok
[04:17] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: with any luck, I could have something going by edgy+1
[04:18] <Burgundavia> cool
[04:18] <zul> night..
[04:18] <Hobbsee> night zuq
[04:18] <Hobbsee> night zul
[04:18] <imbrandon> night zul
[04:18] <Hobbsee> q != tab
[04:18] <Fujitsu> 'night, zul.
[04:18] <imbrandon> yea Hobbsqq
[04:18] <LaserJock> how is Ubuntu's LDAP support
[04:18] <LaserJock> cya zul
[04:18] <Hobbsee> e!=q either
[04:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: still crap
[04:18] <imbrandon> hehehe
[04:18] <ajmitch> night zul
[04:19] <joejaxx> nice i think i found the problem
[04:20] <joejaxx> YES!!
[04:20] <joejaxx> librsvg2.2
[04:20] <joejaxx> and librsvg2-common
[04:21] <joejaxx> LaserJock: that fixed the problem
[04:21] <joejaxx> now i can release Fluxbuntu Revision2
[04:21] <ajmitch> sigh
[04:21] <joejaxx> apparently i removed those packages but they are not in the documentation of me removing them
[04:22] <ajmitch> over an hour building this package, and it fails
[04:22] <joejaxx> ajmitch: which one?
[04:22] <LaserJock> even on your speedy machine?
[04:22] <ajmitch> xen, from a git checkout
[04:23] <ajmitch> so it's most likely a local issue in my checkout, probably something I touched
[04:24] <ajmitch> at least I have ccache :)
[04:27] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i like building packages even though it takes me time to build them and i receive warnings from lintain
[04:28] <joejaxx> ajmitch: :)
[04:32] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i built my first nonmeta package yesterday
[04:32] <LaserJock> cool
[04:33] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i still need to fix some things like the fact that it tries to remove /etc/X11/fluxbox
[04:35] <LaserJock> heh
[04:35] <joejaxx> LaserJock: but i am getting there
[04:38] <joejaxx> LaserJock: what does it take to become motu?
[04:38] <LaserJock> well
[04:39] <LaserJock> you need to work on packaging and help MOTUs and other MOTU Hopefuls
[04:39] <LaserJock> and become an Ubuntu Member
[04:39] <joejaxx> oh ok
[04:39] <joejaxx> well i am 1/5 the way there
[04:39] <joejaxx> :)
[04:39] <LaserJock> and show that you can be trusted to work without supervision on the Universe repos
[04:39] <LaserJock> gotta start somewhere :-)
[04:39] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ah ok
[04:39] <ajmitch> that rules me out
[04:40] <imbrandon> me 3
[04:40] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yes i have submitted my application for membership already :)
[04:41] <LaserJock> bahh
[04:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:42] <imbrandon> i think every time he gets called that we have to pitch in and buy a guiness for him ( the MOTU-aholic )
[04:42] <LaserJock> no thanks
[04:42] <imbrandon> like the swearing jar
[04:43] <imbrandon> heheh
[04:43] <ajmitch> oooh, guinness
[04:43] <LaserJock> I'd take a Pepsi though
[04:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:43] <imbrandon> guinness + killians red + mt dew , are the only /good/ liquids ;)
[04:43] <lotusleaf> all I wanted was a pepsi!
[04:43] <imbrandon> just one pepsi ?
[04:44] <lotusleaf> you.. can't.. bring.. me.. down
[04:44] <imbrandon> ^the
[04:44] <lotusleaf> suicidal tendencies
[04:46] <lotusleaf> Such positive lyrics: "They stuck me in an institution Said it was the only solution To give me the needed professional help To protect me from the enemy, myself It doesn't matter I'll probably get hit by a car anyway."
[04:51] <lastnode> imbrandon, ping?
[04:56] <imbrandon> lastnode, pong
[04:56] <lastnode> imbrandon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream/Screenshots , just fyi.
[04:58] <imbrandon> cool can the last one return the url of the submition and i would rename "standard" but that lookin rockin
[04:58] <lastnode> imbrandon, the options are completely configurable via a .conf file. those who deploy it can change it easily
[04:59] <imbrandon> cool
[04:59] <lastnode> and regarding the return of url, yes, that will happen, but we're working on a modular ouput architecture so that each pastebin plugin will return relevant data
[04:59] <lastnode> i.e - some might be able to return more than just a url
[04:59] <imbrandon> right
[04:59] <lastnode> anyway, thanks for your time, just keeping you informed
[04:59] <lastnode> ;-)
[04:59] <imbrandon> cool
[05:01] <lastnode> imbrandon, another gentle reminder re: ubotu/Ubugtu btw, but mainly the log bot. the mailing list on sf is being a pita (slow relay and sometimes _no_ relay), so channel logs will be sweet.
[05:01] <lastnode> (no hurry, just a wee reminder, i know you must be very beeze with beta freeze et al.)
[05:03] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I presume you pasted that in -au to scare him from using Xen?
[05:03] <ajmitch> nah
[05:03] <ajmitch> I'd rather scare him off breaking his system with alien
[05:03] <Fujitsu> True.
[05:04] <Fujitsu> Alienised Xen... I wonder how nastily that would break things...
[05:04] <ajmitch> badly enough
[05:04] <imbrandon> hahahah omg , thats worse than alien oo.o
[05:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, yeah.
[05:04] <Fujitsu> OOo doesn't mess with your kernel :P
[05:05] <imbrandon> heh oo.o isnt the kernel ( eg xen is )
[05:06] <imbrandon> hum i wonder if there is enough docs for me to convert some ini scripts to upstart jobs without poking scott too much
[05:06] <ajmitch> should be easy enough
[05:06] <imbrandon> ajmitch, you were patching it a bit, do you know ? or have you tried it ?
[05:06] <ajmitch> I was patching the C code, not the scripts
[05:06] <imbrandon> right
[05:07] <imbrandon> hum i might look at the docs and see if i can get a feeel for it, as i have a feeling it will be mentioned a time or two at UDS ( plus its good to konw the new woprld order hehe )
[05:07] <imbrandon> world*
[05:10] <ajmitch> yeah, I've got packages that have initscripts
[05:10] <ajmitch> so I'd better get converting
[05:11] <lotusleaf> "OpenSSL Hit by Forgery Bug" http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/09/25/222250.shtml
[05:11] <imbrandon> i was just looking for a non-essential ( to my system ) one to play with
[05:11] <lotusleaf> is slashdot still news?
[05:12] <ajmitch> was slashdot ever news?
[05:12] <imbrandon> was slashdot ever news ?
[05:12] <imbrandon> hahaha
[05:13] <lotusleaf> lol
[05:13] <lastnode> sacrilege!
[05:19] <imbrandon> the saint are stompin the falcons
[05:19] <imbrandon> heh
[05:19] <imbrandon> saints*
[05:20] <Fujitsu> Fierce Falcon!
[05:21] <imbrandon> heh
[05:21] <imbrandon> american football ;)
[05:21] <Fujitsu> Pfft, silly thing.'
[05:42] <micahcowan> If I create package A that is essentially useless without package B, should B be in A's Requires or Recommends? In this case, it's a preprocessor that generates .c files that depend on libcheck; but operating the preprocessor itself doesn't technically require libcheck.
[05:45] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, have you requested a sync for scribus-ng that you recall ? ( searching LP now )
[05:45] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, no, I haven't...
[05:45] <imbrandon> kk , i'll finish the search incase someone else has
[06:01] <rideout> anybody know good way to "make -j2" when doing local builds for testing without modifying the debian/rules file? a make wrapper?
[06:01] <imbrandon> nope, you /can/ with a hack in the pbuilder hooks but it breaks alot of packages
[06:05] <joejaxx> does anyone know who made the ubuntu usplash?
[06:13] <minghua> joejaxx: there is a #ubuntu-artwork channel
[06:15] <minghua> micahcowan: sounds like a recommends to me (if I understand correctly that using the package won't require libcheck, but using the _output_ of the package requires libcheck)
[06:15] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I think Frank Schoep might have done it
[06:17] <joejaxx> LaserJock: oh alright
[06:18] <Fujitsu> minghua, I believe that Recommends is for things that aren't absolutely required, but there might be a very obscure use-case where that package isn't required.
[06:18] <micahcowan> minghua, Fujitsu, thanks. That's pretty much what I suspected.
[06:20] <lotusleaf> how large is the universe repo for edgy?
[06:20] <rideout> What is the policy on Recommends for apt. There was some discussion the mailing list a while ago, that apt would install Recommends automaticaly. Is that not the case?
[06:20] <Fujitsu> lotusleaf, about 16000 binary packages.
[06:20] <imbrandon> rideout, it dosent /yet/ but will
[06:20] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, iirc its over 20000 now
[06:21] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: thanks, and in MBs?
[06:21] <rideout> imbrandon: in the RC stage?
[06:21] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, there are 21000 binary packages in the whole distribution, so there's not 20000 in Universe.
[06:21] <Fujitsu> lotusleaf, x86 binaries for universe are...
[06:21] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: thx
[06:22] <Fujitsu> (I've got a local mirror, but du -ch takes a while)
[06:23] <Fujitsu> About 10GiB.
[06:23] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: thx
[06:23] <Fujitsu> Why gasp?
[06:23] <ajmitch> not bad, I thought it would have been more
[06:23] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: think he's become confused by xen yet?
[06:23] <imbrandon> my local mirror of source+i386+ppc+amd64 == 30gb for edgy universe
[06:24] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, it certainly looks like it. You're doing a great job!
[06:24] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: thx not bad
[06:24] <minghua> Fujitsu: only i386, or i386+all?
[06:24] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, that's strange... It should more
[06:24] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I didn't mean to
[06:24] <Fujitsu> minghua, oops, i386+all.
[06:25] <ajmitch> but it's not a simple topic
[06:25] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: gasp b/c I had other d/l's going at the moment :)
[06:25] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, you did a good job anyway, although it would have confused him anyway.
[06:25] <ajmitch> :P
[06:25] <minghua> Fujitsu: yes, I agree with your explanation of Recommends
[06:25] <Fujitsu> I've got source mirroring at school at the moment, I'll grab it when I get there tomorrow :)
[06:25] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i got another du running to check again
[06:25] <imbrandon> i thought it was about 30 gigs last i checked
[06:26] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I've realised that mine is going to be i386+all, so the other archs won't be quite as big.
[06:26] <imbrandon> what do you use to mirror it ?
[06:26] <Fujitsu> minghua, and Suggests is just for things which are probably useful.
[06:26] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, debmirror.
[06:26] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:26] <minghua> Fujitsu: very true
[06:26] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[06:27] <imbrandon> 24G     universe/
[06:27] <imbrandon> 24G     total
[06:27] <imbrandon> brandon@enterprise:/storage/mirror/ubuntu/mirror/us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool$
[06:27] <lotusleaf> I found some cool scripts for using debmirror then generating dvd/cd isos with results
[06:27] <imbrandon> thats everything but amd64
[06:27] <imbrandon> ^^
[06:27] <Fujitsu> lotusleaf, debpartial is very useful for that.
[06:27] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: yeah thx ;)
[06:28] <imbrandon> so 24gig without amd64 about 31 with irrc
[06:28] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^
[06:28] <imbrandon> iirc*
[06:28] <Fujitsu> OK.
[06:28] <Fujitsu> Including source
[06:28] <Fujitsu> *?
[06:29] <imbrandon> yea source+i386+ppc+all
[06:29] <Fujitsu> OK.
[06:29] <imbrandon> thats what i have apt-mirror mirroring
[06:29] <lotusleaf> the script I found included "--ignore-release-gpg" without quotes in the debmirror line, why?
[06:30] <minghua> I remember that adding a binary arch for Debian is a little bit over 10G for both testing and unstable
[06:31] <Fujitsu> To work that out, I'd need to recursively list all the files, and filter out *_all.deb, then add their sizes up... Hmm.
[06:31] <minghua> since universe should be smaller than Debian main, I figure 6-7G for i386 would sound right
[06:32] <lotusleaf> the edgy daily dvd iso only contains main and restricted?
[06:32] <minghua> Fujitsu: just curious, no need for you to go through the trouble
[06:32] <lotusleaf> or just main?
[06:32] <imbrandon> 41G     total  <--- for my whole pool
[06:32] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, wow.
[06:33] <minghua> Fujitsu: do you have a mirror for main too?  I figure running a du there should be easy?
[06:33] <Fujitsu> minghua, I do, yes.
[06:33] <imbrandon> hrm i bet i could ls -lR|grep *.deb|wc and find the packages hehehe
[06:34] <Fujitsu> fujitsu@irranat:~/ubuntu-mirror/edgy/pool$ ls -lR universe/ | grep \.deb | wc -l
[06:34] <Fujitsu> 14849
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Main is 3.8GiB.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> fujitsu@irranat:~/ubuntu-mirror/edgy/pool$ ls -lR main | grep \.deb | wc -l
[06:35] <Fujitsu> 4849
[06:35] <Fujitsu> That can't be right.
[06:36] <minghua> don't be superstitious
[06:37] <Fujitsu> That seriously cannot be right.
[06:39] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:/media/server/mirror/ubuntu/mirror/us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool$ ls -lR | grep \.deb | wc -l
[06:39] <imbrandon> 34930
[06:40] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, you could always use find, rather than ls -lR.
[06:40] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:40] <imbrandon> i was really just jokin till you did it
[06:40] <imbrandon> heh
[06:40] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[06:42] <Fujitsu> It is OK if I get my key signed shortly after the TB meeting, isn't it?
[06:42] <Fujitsu> 'cause I can't get it signed until tomorrow afternoon.
[06:42] <ajmitch> maybe
[06:43] <imbrandon> haha someone just left a comment on my blog about the ubuntu names , quote "firey fox, just to get at mozilla and thier damn firefox trademark."
[06:43] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[06:46] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, he's /still/ trying!>
[06:46] <Fujitsu> *?
[06:46] <ajmitch> yes
[06:47] <Fujitsu> He is truly persistent (or stupid).
[06:47] <ajmitch> persistent, please
[06:48] <Fujitsu> Maybe..
[06:48] <lotusleaf> in soviet russia, keys sign you
[06:49] <Fujitsu> Or keys hopefully sign random Debian maintainers around Melbourne tomorrow.
[06:49] <imbrandon> Average successful requests per day: 22,521 <-- not to bad, no idea i had that many hits
[06:49] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: yes, I've been seeing your desperate attempts on the debian-melb lists ;)
[06:50] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, what're you doing there?
[06:50] <Fujitsu> And attempt, singular, I think.
[06:50] <imbrandon> heh
[06:50] <ajmitch> well I've met up with debian people on previous trips to melbourne as well
[06:51] <imbrandon> ajmitch has even helped out people in teh KC Lug ;)
[06:51] <ajmitch> and I've never been to KC!
[06:51] <imbrandon> i didnt say that
[06:51] <imbrandon> heh
[06:51] <imbrandon> btw thats for that the other week if i dident tell you then
[06:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:53] <ajmitch> gah
[06:54] <ajmitch> massive .wmv video forwarded to me in email
[06:54] <imbrandon> bwhahaha
[06:54] <rideout> testing dcop
[06:54] <imbrandon> dcop works in konvo ;)
[06:54] <rideout> yep
[06:55] <imbrandon> cept you spit it out in all channels not just this one
[06:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:55] <rideout> I did
[06:55] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, fun.
[06:55] <imbrandon> look in #k-devel
[06:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:55] <rideout> at least all that i am in
[06:55] <imbrandon> right
[06:55] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I'll let you continue helping him :)
[06:57] <ajmitch> be nice
[06:58] <Fujitsu> I don't do Xen.
[06:58] <ajmitch> so?
[07:07] <ajmitch> hm
[07:08] <ajmitch> I guess I didn't reply in time
[07:09] <ajmitch> yay, networking going in xen again
[07:09] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[07:10] <ajmitch> it was not playing nice with multiple interfaces, setting up bridging on the wrong one
[07:22] <ajmitch> hi raphink
[07:23] <raphink> hi ja
[07:23] <raphink> ajmitch:
[07:40] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: on the livecd the bin directory is not needed correct?
[07:41] <Fujitsu> I don't know, joejaxx.
[07:41] <joejaxx> all it has in it are dll's and executables
[07:41] <Fujitsu> Ah, that's just the Windows stuff, so it's not needed.
[07:41] <Fujitsu> I presume.
[07:41] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[07:41] <Fujitsu> Hi TheMuso.
[07:41] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[07:41] <joejaxx> hello
[07:41] <joejaxx> imbrandon: do you know?
[07:41] <TheMuso> Hey Fujitsu, imbrandon.
[07:42] <TheMuso> I'd like something clarrified by the gurus in here if I may.
[07:42] <imbrandon> joejaxx, no the windows stuff isnt nessessary
[07:42] <joejaxx> imbrandon: so i can rm -rf bin/
[07:42] <LaserJock> those are opencd files
[07:42] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ah ok good another 12mb off that system
[07:42] <LaserJock> you might get rid of the contents rather then the dir as a whole
[07:42] <rideout> is listening to Yankee Bayonet (I Will Be Home Then) by The Decemberists [amarok]
[07:42] <TheMuso> I am working on a package update, and for various reasons I have to split out some data files from the main package, into its own package, so that both the main package, and another package can depend on them.
[07:43] <Fujitsu> OK...
[07:43] <TheMuso> Do I need any of the conflicts/replaces magic to make things safer? Or have I still missed the point of those two control fields? :)
[07:43] <imbrandon> ko..
[07:44] <minghua> TheMuso: my understanding is that's exactly what Conflicts/Replaces are designed for
[07:44] <imbrandon> hrm well it depends, if you dont then the data file could be tried to be installed solo ( as a dep of the other new package ) and still have files provided by the old one
[07:44] <imbrandon> TheMuso, so in short yes
[07:45] <TheMuso> Ok, then it comes down to which one. :)
[07:45] <TheMuso> I have data files in /usr/share that were originally part of package1 in previous versions. I now have a need to move these to their own package, so that package1 and package2 can depend on those data files.
[07:46] <imbrandon> package1-data shoudl conflict with package1 < 1.0 if i'm understanding you correct
[07:47] <minghua> TheMuso: pacakge2 should both Conflicts: package1 (<= old-version) and Replaces: package1 (<= old-version)
[07:47] <TheMuso> But package2 does not replace anything from package1
[07:47] <TheMuso> package1-data are the data files. Package1 and package2 both depend on package1-data
[07:48] <Kagou> morning
[07:48] <imbrandon> right only the -data would need to do this with package one since packe1 and package2 can be installed side by side
[07:48] <TheMuso> imbrandon: You mean -data would need a conflicts?
[07:48] <imbrandon> so with the -data nned to conflict with <= old version package1
[07:48] <imbrandon> right
[07:48] <TheMuso> Right.
[07:49] <imbrandon> other than that you should be good
[07:49] <imbrandon> that way if package2 pulls in package1-data and there is an old version of packa1 on the system it will conflict
[07:49] <Mithrandir> C+R, not just C.
[07:49] <minghua> TheMuso: I was wrong, s/package2/package1-data/, sorry for not reading carefully
[07:50] <imbrandon> Mithrandir, well it only R part of it , so should it R also ?
[07:50] <Mithrandir> package2 needs to depend on p1-data, p1 depends on p1-data, p1-data C+R on old-version of p1.
[07:50] <imbrandon> exactly
[07:50] <Mithrandir> imbrandon: yes.  Replaces means "may overwrite files from this other package"
[07:50] <imbrandon> ok
[07:51] <Mithrandir> it does not mean "obsoletes this other package"
[07:51] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[07:51] <minghua> Mithrandir is definitely experts on this area
[07:51] <Mithrandir> it's a very common misconception. :-)
[07:51] <minghua> s/experts/expert/
[07:52] <TheMuso> Ok thanks all. Much appreciated.
[07:52] <minghua> thanks, but given it's 1:00 a.m. here, I'd rather go sleep than drinking coffee :-)
[07:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:52] <imbrandon> minghua, where are you , might be semi close ( same timezone heh )
[07:52] <imbrandon> well possible tleaste
[07:53] <imbrandon> atleaste*
[07:53] <imbrandon> gah
[07:53] <minghua> imbrandon: Houston
[07:53] <imbrandon> ahh only a few hours away ;)
[07:53] <minghua> imbrandon: you need to go to bed as well :-)
[07:53] <imbrandon> minghua, heh from 8pm to 8am is my "ubuntu" time ;)
[07:54] <imbrandon> i got a good 7 hours left ;)
[07:54] <minghua> :-)
[07:54] <imbrandon> just calls for another bucket of coffee^Wmt dew
[07:56] <imbrandon> ahh finaly got lastfm tracks to show up correctly , well how __I__ wanted them to on my page
[07:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:56] <rideout> I just installed acroread in edgy, (i've been using kpdf) and I just get a loop where "expr: syntax error" is printed repeatedly
[07:56] <rideout> is this a known thing, just me, should I investigate?
[07:57] <imbrandon> probably investigate BUT isnt acroread binary only, e.g. not open source ?
[07:57] <imbrandon> moins siretart
[07:57] <minghua> rideout: interesting.  what does your "file `which acroread`" say?
[07:57] <rideout> it is/usr/bin/acroread
[07:57] <rideout> it is: /usr/bin/acroread
[07:58] <minghua> rideout: what does "file /usr/bin/acroread" say, then?
[07:58] <rideout> i just did an strace, it seems some child process keeps dieing
[07:58] <rideout>  /usr/bin/acroread is shell script
[07:59] <rideout> wc -l /usr/bin/acroread : 761
[07:59] <minghua> rideout: add "set -x" at beginning of /usr/bin/acroread and run acroread from a terminal?
[08:00] <crimsun> rideout: it's a multiply duped bug
[08:01] <crimsun> I can't reproduce it at all, but apparently a lot of people can
[08:01] <rideout> expr: syntax error
[08:01] <rideout> + base_version=
[08:01] <rideout> ++ expr length
[08:01] <rideout> expr: syntax error
[08:01] <rideout> + len_base_version=
[08:01] <rideout> + '[' -gt '] '
[08:01] <rideout> ++ expr substr<PHONE_NUMBER> 1
[08:01] <rideout> is repeated ad nauseum
[08:01] <rideout> crimsun: any known reason?
[08:02] <rideout> <7.08 worked fine
[08:02] <crimsun> bug 60928
[08:03] <rideout> ahh, a bungled regex
[08:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60928 in acroread "Acroread 7.0.8 does not start" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60928
[08:04] <imbrandon> wow lagbugu
[08:04] <LaserJock> heh
[08:04] <crimsun> rideout: can you confirm that adding the asterisk at least masks the symptom?
[08:05] <crimsun> It doesn't make sense for it to work on my system but fail for everyone elses'
[08:05] <crimsun> else's
[08:05] <rideout> yes, that worked
[08:05] <crimsun> ok, I'll apply it and upload
[08:06] <rideout> well, the astrix is for a library, it looks like if the version has 1 digit your fine, but if you have two it misses it
[08:07] <crimsun> it should have failed on /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 for me, then
[08:07] <minghua> crimsun: are you using bash as /bin/sh?  (assuming that script is using /bin/sh)
[08:08] <rideout> i have usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.17
[08:08] <crimsun> no, I'm using dash, though I created a new user defaulted to bash to test
[08:08] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure the sh is irrelevant here
[08:08] <rideout> does it just use usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> boo.
[08:09] <crimsun> no
[08:10] <crimsun> ah, you're on Dapper?
[08:11] <minghua> crimsun: apparently so (sounds GTK+ 2.8 to me)
[08:11] <rideout> I'm on edgy
[08:11] <minghua> rideout: what's your libgtk2.0-0 version then?
[08:11] <crimsun> that really doesn't make sense, then
[08:12] <crimsun> libgtk2.0-0 should have /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3, not /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.17
[08:12] <rideout> 2.10.3-0ubuntu1
[08:12] <minghua> any regexp longer than 5 characters should have a comment with it
[08:12] <minghua> that can't be right
[08:12] <rideout> minghua agreed
[08:12] <crimsun> that really can't be right
[08:13] <rideout> that version is from apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0 | grep Version
[08:13] <crimsun> dpkg -S /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.17
[08:14] <crimsun> heck, ls /usr/lib/libgtk-x11*
[08:14] <rideout> usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3
[08:14] <crimsun> that's more like it
[08:14] <rideout> i got the erroneus version from dpkg -L
[08:16] <rideout> i did an apt-get --reinstall and now dpkg -L works
[08:16] <rideout> i think my apt-get dist-upgrade from dapper might not have upgraded this package
[08:17] <crimsun> this is a recent dist-upgrade from dapper
[08:17] <rideout> I've been on edgy for about 3 weeks, doing another dist-upgrade every few days
[08:18] <minghua> sounds somebody should check the upgrade path from dapper for beta
[08:18] <minghua> if libgtk2.0-0 can be left un-upgraded things will really mess up
[08:18] <crimsun> I just did. Can't reproduce it.
[08:19] <minghua> crimsun: good then
[08:20] <crimsun> rideout: I presume, then, that you don't have libgtk2.0-dev installed?
[08:20] <rideout> i do
[08:21] <crimsun> mmm
[08:21] <Lathiat> need. latest. crack. now.
[08:21] <rideout> i think i installed it more recently though
[08:21] <crimsun> rideout: please remove it temporarily
[08:22] <rideout> done
[08:22] <crimsun> ok, does acroread still spin?
[08:23] <rideout> no spinning but it gets stuck
[08:24] <crimsun> err?
[08:24] <crimsun> meaning does it still flood the above error?
[08:24] <rideout> it actually continues after the error, but looking back it reports one on line 491
[08:25] <crimsun> man, this script is SICK
[08:25] <rideout> which is if [ $version -ge $base_version ] ; then
[08:25] <rideout> the line is "if [ $version -ge $base_version ] ; then"
[08:26] <minghua> Lathiat: now its "need latest crack. now. for dapper."  :-)
[08:26] <crimsun> I'm just going to patch the regexp
[08:26] <Lathiat> heh
[08:26] <rideout> hah
[08:27] <imbrandon> LOL
[08:33] <rideout> this is the same reason why abobe is taking forever on flash, they ported to 9 long ago, it just making one binary that works on a dozen distros with a half dozen version that taks forever
[08:33] <lotusleaf> I liked the post on the adobe linux flash blog about our lady of adobe and the blog being a virtual shrine to post petitions in hopes a miracle tear squeezes out
[08:35] <crimsun> oh stabbity
[08:35] <Fujitsu> crimsun, what's this?
[08:35] <crimsun> have to extract the upstream tarball inside debian/rules to generate a diff
[08:36] <Fujitsu> Is this one of those tarball-within-tarball packages?
[08:36] <crimsun> yep
[08:37] <Fujitsu> I never did like them.
[08:37] <Fujitsu> crimsun, have/will you send an email to the TB?
[08:37] <crimsun> I will, yes
[08:38] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks.
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, you'll need it
[08:40] <Fujitsu> Knowing me, though, I'll wake up at like 3am. I always wake up really early when I know there's something on a bit early that morning.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:40] <rideout> Fujitsu: what part of the world are you in?
[08:41] <Fujitsu> Eastern Australia.
[08:41] <Fujitsu> Same as Hobbsee.
[08:42] <rideout> i've always wanted to get out there
[08:42] <Fujitsu> 'tis good, rideout.
[08:42] <Fujitsu> Innit, 'obbsee?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Maybe..
[08:48] <Fujitsu> ...
[08:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dont be nervous
[08:53] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, why not?
[08:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: @ tomorrow.
[08:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: they're not *that* big and scary
[08:54] <Hobbsee> much
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Much, I guess.
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Darn, no LP for an hour in 15 minutes.
[08:56] <imbrandon> for those that dident see -devel , [01:54]  <stub> Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for a regular code update. Estimated down time is one hour. This is longer than usual to perform some extra database maintenance.
[08:57] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I was about to do that :)
[08:57] <imbrandon> rideout, thats kinda frowned uppon in the -devel chans ;)
[08:58] <Fujitsu> Yeah, there's no need for a broadcast over every single channel you're in.
[08:59] <rideout> sorry
[08:59] <Hobbsee> oh lovely.
[08:59] <rideout> i thought I turned it off, it was a test i was running
[08:59] <Hobbsee> guess i wont fix bugs then.
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yeah, it is annoying.
[09:00] <imbrandon> only for aussies ;)
[09:01] <Fujitsu> Taking down Ubuntu's primary piece of infrastructure for an hour, two days before UniverseFreeze... Not good.
[09:01] <Hobbsee> point
[09:01] <Hobbsee> i wonder if soyuz still works then
[09:01] <Fujitsu> I'd hope it would...
[09:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:01] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, well hopefully some bd maint will make it faster ;) just think of it that way
[09:01] <imbrandon> db*
[09:02] <Fujitsu> I doubt it :P
[09:02] <imbrandon> well the buildd's will still probably process whats in the que already but not que any new builds , as soyuz is part of lp
[09:03] <Fujitsu> Remember that Soyuz only processes every hour, so it shouldn't have much effect.
[09:03] <imbrandon> processes new archive stuff but it queues new builds that are processed all the time
[09:03] <imbrandon> its the scheduler
[09:04] <imbrandon> also that means no wiki edits for the next hour, as the wiki auth is done by LP
[09:04] <imbrandon> etc etc etc
[09:04] <Fujitsu> So Soyuz replaces wanna-build as well?
[09:04] <imbrandon> soyuz is the /whole/ system , yes
[09:04] <Fujitsu> I really wish that LP auth caching spec had been implemented :(
[09:04] <Fujitsu> Ah, I presumed it still used wanna-build for queueing.
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Yay, another netsplit.
[09:12] <lastnode> Fujitsu, were there more today?
[09:13] <Fujitsu> No, but a couple about 24 hours ago.
[09:14] <lastnode> hmmm
[09:15] <ajmitch> be patient
[09:16] <Fujitsu> Sorry.
[09:16] <Fujitsu> I think I'm a little too nervous.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> you'll be fine
[09:16] <Hobbsee> i'll eat you instead of htem :P
[09:16] <Fujitsu> That's not going to stop me being nervous :P
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Oh, terrific.
[09:17] <Fujitsu> At least it'll go to a good cause (ie. an Aussie).
[09:17] <Hobbsee> i dont think they've been fed anything in a while
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:17] <Fujitsu> They've got a couple to eat before me, fortunately.
[09:18] <ajmitch> dunno what you're worried about
[09:19] <ajmitch> you haven't been giving people horribly broken patches or anything
[09:19] <Fujitsu> True.
[09:19] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Is your key signed by someone from a strong set?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: imbrandon's isnt, and he's in core now.
[09:19] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, I've got a meeting set up for 2pm tomorrow with another DD.
[09:19] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I know that.
[09:20] <Hobbsee> so obviously they dont care
[09:20] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: they really *really* should
[09:20] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, yeah... That's dangerous.
[09:20] <Fujitsu> Hm, the wiki does odd stuff when the authentication DB is missing.
[09:21] <Fujitsu> Like displaying the first portion of the hostname as the editor when showing revision history.
[09:22] <Fujitsu> It is /really/ dangerous that they allow uploads without verified keys... :(
[09:23] <Hobbsee> on imbrandon's machine, it thinks i'm uploading without a verified key
[09:23] <Hobbsee> i'm not - i imported StevenK's, but none of his signers are imported
[09:23] <Fujitsu> Hey dholbach.
[09:23] <ajmitch> daniel!
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[09:24] <dholbach> good morning
[09:24] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu, Hobbsee, ajmitch!
[09:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:25] <AnAnt> anyone knows when LP will be back online ?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> an hour or so
[09:26] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, about 10 past.
[09:26] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: thanks
[09:26] <ajmitch> hopefully earlier than that
[09:26] <AnAnt> k
[09:26] <Fujitsu> Hopefully.
[09:27] <Fujitsu> Wow.
[09:27] <ajmitch> imbrandon obviously had too much to say
[09:27] <Hobbsee> lol
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[09:28] <lfittl> morning dholbach
[09:29] <dholbach> hey lfittl
[09:36] <imbrandon> ugh x2
[09:36] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[09:37] <imbrandon> i give up
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Be patient!
[09:38] <imbrandon> be patient
[09:38] <Fujitsu> :P
[09:38] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:39] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i give up on the konversation python script, i just got killed twice trying to workon it
[09:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right, oay
[09:39] <imbrandon> so we're without for now
[09:39] <imbrandon> lol
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Silly Konversation.
[09:40] <imbrandon> ...
[09:40] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, aw... I didn't do that to ajmitch... :(
[09:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:40] <imbrandon> he dident diss konv either ;)
[09:40] <imbrandon> lol
[09:41] <imbrandon> its scripts really do suck though
[09:41] <Fujitsu> Hm, ture.
[09:42] <Fujitsu> *true
[09:55] <ChaosFan> y/wg 31
[09:57] <realist> Is there a list of packages needing work, if so, can someone point me towards them?
[09:58] <Fujitsu> Ooh, another Aussie MOTUing-person. Yay :)
[09:58] <Fujitsu> I don't know of a list.
[09:59] <ajmitch> sigh, it's being taken over by australians
[09:59] <Fujitsu> Poor sole little NZer... :(
[09:59] <ajmitch> sole?
[10:00] <ajmitch> Plug is still around
[10:01] <Fujitsu> Hm, true. Oops.
[10:06] <realist> ajmitch: sure, why not, the debian project leader is also Australian
[10:06] <realist> Fujitsu: pending other commitments
[10:08] <Fujitsu> And LP is back :)
[10:09] <Fujitsu> Terrific:
 soyuz is still down - I'll wait a tick until malcc shows up and he can confirm it should still be running with the old code.
[10:10] <AnAnt> is it possible that a NEW source package be accepted, yet the binaries not get accepted ?
[10:11] <AnAnt> and how do I know the reason of rejection (in case it gets rejected)
[10:11] <realist> Time for me to head home... I'll ttyl about motu Fujitsu
[10:11] <realist> AnAnt: you'd want to hope not
[10:12] <AnAnt> also there is something I don't understand, I have a new package (called acon) it's binaries are on the new queue, yet on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/acon it says that its status is published, what does that mean ?
[10:12] <AnAnt> realist: hope not for what ?
[10:12] <ajmitch> AnAnt: source is published, binaries not
[10:12] <AnAnt> oh
[10:12] <ajmitch> so yes, they need to be approved as well, apparantly
[10:13] <ajmitch> the glorious new world order of soyuz
[10:13] <AnAnt> ajmitch: btw, you were answering which question ? "hope not for what ?" or the longer question ?
[10:14] <ajmitch> it was all the same question
[10:14] <AnAnt> ok
[10:14] <realist> AnAnt: I was merely saying that you'd hope that the source packages were consistent with the binary, or vice versa
[10:15] <AnAnt> oh
[10:16] <AnAnt> why does it take so long for binaries to get approved ?
[10:17] <AnAnt> compared to source package that iis
[10:20] <Plug> realist: I got drunk with the DPL in Dunedin, NZ
[10:23] <ajmitch> Plug: coming to LCA next year?
[10:29] <realist> Plug, cool - perhaps I will get an opportunity at the next debconf
[10:32] <AnAnt> ?
[10:38] <Plug> ajmitch: unsure, I'll decide nearer the time
[10:45] <Plug> a question I had
[10:45] <Plug> is it OK to run autoconf/automake in debian/rules?
[10:46] <Plug> (would minimise patching if I could do it to configure.in rather than configure)
[10:48] <ajmitch> Plug: yeah, it can be done, if you have them in build-depends
[10:48] <ajmitch> there are varying opinions on that of course :)
[10:49] <saracen> Is there anyone working on getting mpd in before universe freeze?
[10:49] <saracen> they finally released... after 2 years!
[10:49] <Fujitsu> Is there a package of it?
[10:50] <thom> Fujitsu: i guess saracen just means a new version
[10:50] <thom> it's long since packages
[10:50] <thom> packaged
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Aha, OK.
[10:50] <saracen> ya
[10:50] <saracen> version 0.12
[10:52] <Fujitsu> I'll grab the RC packages from experimental and see if I can update them quickly.
[10:53] <saracen> great
[10:55] <Fujitsu> I'll also grab mpc...
[10:56] <saracen> There's also a great new client that's not yet in Debian
[10:56] <saracen> http://sonata.berlios.de/index.html
[10:57] <Fujitsu> That'll have to wait for Edgy+1... Not going to happen with 48 hours to go.
[10:57] <saracen> Even with an existing package?
[10:57] <Fujitsu> They produce a Debian package?
[10:57] <Fujitsu> So they do.
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Still unlikely.
[10:58] <Fujitsu> For one thing, they don't provide a source package.
[10:59] <saracen> http://download.berlios.de/sonata/sonata-0.6.tar.gz
[10:59] <saracen> That's the source
[10:59] <Fujitsu> No, the Debian source package.
[11:00] <Fujitsu> They only provide binary .debs, not the corresponding .diff.gz nor .dsc.
[11:00] <saracen> right.  I could look around - is it worth trying?
[11:00] <saracen> might just be too late...
[11:02] <Fujitsu> It really is leaving it a little late. The chances of it getting in are miniscule.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> OK, I've updated mpd, working on mpc.
[11:09] <Fujitsu> Brb.
[11:14] <saracen> great, thanks Fujitsu
[11:28] <Fujitsu> Back.
[11:31] <Fujitsu> Any related bits other than mpd/mpc that you want updated?
[11:32] <Fujitsu> saracen, ^^
[12:03] <slytherin> Can someone help me with bug 62212 ? I mean although I have files a bug, should it be a support request?
[12:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62212 in gtkpod "Confusing packages in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62212
[12:09] <lionelp> slytherin: in fact, this is not the same source package
[12:09] <lionelp> gtkpod-aac for the binary package gtkpod-aac
[12:09] <lionelp> and gtkpod for gtkpod binary package
[12:12] <Fujitsu> lionelp, they are in fact from the same upstream tarball, but one of them is compiled with aac support, and they're in different source packages for some reason.
[12:13] <lionelp> Fujitsu: yes but the Debian source packages are different
[12:13] <lionelp> that's why the packages are out of sync
[12:13] <lionelp> (-aac seems to come from REVU)
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Yes, I know, but it's strange that they're seperate.
[12:14] <Fujitsu> It would, yes.
[12:14] <Fujitsu> I looked at merging it a while ago, but stopped for some reason.
[12:18] <slytherin> lionelp: Fujitsu: I don't know exact reason. But it is still issue that versions are different. Low priority may be.
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh to-be-motu, when does the freeze come in?
[12:24] <Fujitsu> slytherin, I'll look into getting that new version in in the next few hours.
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, start of the dev team meeting, I believe.
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Which is...
[12:25] <Fujitsu> And it's just maybe-to-be-motu :P
[12:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:25] <Hobbsee> sept 28th, according to this
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Hm
[12:26] <Fujitsu> It can't be... THere's no dev team meeting this week.
[12:26] <Adri2000> slytherin: i added a comment, i hope i'm not wrong
[12:26] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Checked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule?
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Oh, I knew it was the 28th.
[12:29] <Fujitsu> I was unsure of the time.
[12:29] <slytherin> Fujitsu: I am in no hurry. But I hope you are aware that UniverseFreeze is schedules on 28th
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Our almight release-manager says 1400UTC.
[12:29] <lupine_85> boo hoo :(
[12:29] <Fujitsu> *almighty
[12:29] <Fujitsu> slytherin, noted.
[12:30] <slytherin> Adri2000: Thanks for your explaination. I don't know why I failed to note the separate source package.
[01:08] <zakame> hi all
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long untill universe freeze?
[01:15] <zul> thursday
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, thanks zul
[01:16] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser, 1400UTC is the current expected time.
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta.
[01:17] <Fujitsu> Why?
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu, not entirely sure. i just had this urge to ask
[01:18] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[04:18] <seaLne> would there be any where that a package could install .o files?
[04:19] <lupine_85> ...?
[04:19] <pygi> seaLne, why exactly would you want to install object files?
[04:19] <seaLne> i'm trying to find a solution to another package trying to use ar on them
[04:20] <seaLne> installing the .o dosen't sound right but this is a bit beyond my knowledge of libs and things
[04:22] <keescook> seaLne: which package is that?
[04:25] <seaLne> new sleuthkit runs ar on libewf and afflib stuff
[04:26] <seaLne> ar rv ../../lib/libt
[04:26] <seaLne> sk.a src/*.o
[04:28] <keescook> that sounds right, -dev packages install .a files and generally .h files too.
[04:28] <keescook> (like, look at libpcap0.7-dev) Or did I misunderstand the concern?
[04:29] <seaLne> keescook: libewf-dev installs .h and .a but i'm not sure how that relates to how sleuthkit is trying to use ar to statically link stuff
[04:33] <keescook> seaLne: after a quick glance at the Makefile, it looks like it's just building the .a file during the build so the later tools can find all the .o's in one place.
[04:38] <seaLne> yeah
[04:38] <seaLne> so i can just ignore that?
[04:39] <keescook> I think so; it just looks like it's part of the normal build process.
[04:39] <seaLne> cool
[04:40] <cbx33> hey people
[04:40] <cbx33> any motu-ers in the UK?
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:42] <pygi> hey bddebian
[04:42] <cbx33> hi bddebian
[04:42] <bddebian> Heya pygi, cbx33 :_)
[05:13] <Riddell> cbx33: yes
[05:20] <cbx33> Riddell: where abouts ;)
[05:20] <cbx33> yet
[05:21] <tseng> I imagine you could be approved w/o a key if you have a good track record of sponsored work
[05:21] <Hobbsee> cbx33: you're going for MOTU?  neat.
[05:21] <azeem> cbx33: where are you located?
[05:21] <tseng> just get added to the keyring afterwards
[05:21] <Hobbsee> tseng: we have a core-dev without an unsigned key.  they really should police that a bit more :P
[05:21] <tseng> Hobbsee: im not sure you said exactly what you meat
[05:21] <cbx33> southampton UK
[05:21] <tseng> meant
[05:22] <Hobbsee> probably
[05:22] <tseng> but I don't see why that would be a problem
[05:22] <tseng> unless its in the keyring that is
[05:22] <StevenK> Hobbsee: To be honest, Launchpad should.
[05:22] <tseng> sponsored uploads are fine
[05:22] <thom> Hobbsee: i think you meant "with an unsigned key", although i hope you don't mean that it's in the keyring
[05:23] <Hobbsee> gah.  iv'e used a double negative too.
[05:23] <cbx33> ogra sponsors my uploads at the moment
[05:23] <tseng> hopefully ogra will be at the meeting for you, th e
[05:23] <tseng> then
[05:23] <ogra> sure he will :P
[05:23] <cbx33> he will ;)
[05:23] <Riddell> cbx33: Edinburgh
[05:23] <cbx33> heh, ah.......not really likely then ;)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> StevenK: indeed.
[05:27] <cbx33> anyone know why my gisomount package in universe is not on my LP page?
[05:29] <fdoving> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/gisomount/+changelog
[05:29] <fdoving> https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage-ubuntu/+packages
[05:30] <Riddell> cbx33: sladen is in southhampton quite a lot (not just now though)
[05:30] <cbx33> fdoving: ahh....hmm
[05:34] <lupine_85> :'( https://launchpad.net/people/lupine/+packages
[05:34] <Hobbsee> cbx33: you probably want to hit https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge?field.dupeaccount=petesavage-ubuntu
[05:34] <cbx33> thanks fdoving - https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage/+packages
[05:35] <cbx33> yup just done it ;)
[05:35] <cbx33> bbl guys
[05:39] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[05:40] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:40] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[07:12] <Adri2000> hello
[07:14] <Adri2000> what tool can i use to patch a package ?
[07:15] <tseng> dpatch?
[07:15] <tseng> cdbs?
[07:15] <Gloubiboulga> simple-patchsys.mk :)
[07:15] <tseng> thats an open ended question
[07:15] <tseng> there are half a dozen ways
[07:16] <Adri2000> the package already exists, i want to edit a file in it to fix a bug
[07:16] <tseng> I recommend at least learning dpatch
[07:16] <Adri2000> i know dpatch
[07:16] <tseng> but don't add it to existing packages for no reason
[07:16] <tseng> it makes people very fussy
[07:16] <Adri2000> dpatch is not what i need
[07:17] <slomo_> quilt? ;)
[07:17] <tseng> you'll have to be alot more specific than
[07:18] <Adri2000> ok: there is a bug in launchpad, seems very simple to fix, i want to create a patch with the fix to send it on launchpad
[07:18] <tseng> so you mean 'diff'?
[07:18] <Adri2000> s/simple/easy/
[07:18] <Adri2000> just diff -uNvr (something like that) ?
[07:19] <tseng> diff -ruN brokenpackage/ fixedpackage/ > mycoolpatch
[07:19] <Adri2000> yep, no -v
[07:19] <Adri2000> ok
[08:05] <bddebian> Hmm, a package called beast with a version 0.6.6-6  Should I be scared? :-)
[08:06] <pygi> elkbuntu, !!! :)
[08:06] <pygi> bddebian, ofcourse :P
[08:31] <imbrandon> bddebian, hehe only if it has something to do with X ;)
[08:32] <bddebian> heh
[08:34] <imbrandon> ahh finaly a thread on -devel thats worth something ( development wise )
[08:34] <imbrandon> heya elkbuntu
[08:36] <bddebian> Anyone around here care about / deal with gnustep?
[08:40] <lfittl> evening everybody
[08:40] <imbrandon> heya
[08:44] <bddebian> Heya lfittl
[08:45] <lfittl> hey bddebian
[08:53] <LaserJock> thank zul I was trying to come up with something good to say
[09:10] <zul> yargh...xen-3.0.3rc1 has been released
[09:54] <Fujitsu> Hi LaserJock.
[09:54] <LaserJock> hi Fujitsu
[09:54] <LaserJock> well, I guess Keybuck has opened the flood gates
[09:56] <Fujitsu> It looks like it :S
[09:57] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: nevrous yet?
[09:58] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I have been for just under 24 hours now :P
[09:58] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: candidate to MOTU ?
[09:58] <bddebian> The floodgates for what?
[09:58] <Fujitsu> Adri2000, yeah.
[09:59] <Adri2000> good luck :)
[09:59] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[10:00] <LaserJock> bddebian: he just suggested on -devel ML that we should use DVD by default for edgy+1
[10:00] <bddebian> Ahh
[10:01] <Fujitsu> DVD?
[10:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: well, that'd be quite a change
[10:01] <LaserJock> yep
[10:01] <LaserJock> edubuntu has this discussion almost every meeting
[10:01] <LaserJock> it's virtually impossible to do what we want to do on 1 cd
[10:01] <ajmitch> & a massive download
[10:02] <LaserJock> the problem is, I don't see how we can get out of it without creating several .isos
[10:02] <pygi> good luck Fujitsu :)
[10:03] <LaserJock> and that will make the release process more complicated
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Thanks, pygi :)
[10:03] <ajmitch> yay, let the grilling begin!
[10:03] <bddebian> heh
[10:05] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks for freedict
[10:05] <bddebian> AnAnt: NP, sorry I haven't gotten to tss yet :(
[10:06] <lupine_85> IMO, *-desktop depends on too much already
[10:06] <LaserJock> lupine_85: not excplicetly I don't think so
[10:06] <AnAnt> bddebian: nevermind, it prolly has license issues
[10:06] <bddebian> OK
[10:06] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you're lucky, they're being gentle..
[10:06] <lupine_85> hmm, OK
[10:06] <lupine_85> single-CD is one of the great strengths of ubuntu, though
[10:07] <LaserJock> so is haveing a good desktop experience by default
[10:07] <lupine_85> even with the fastest ADSL in the west, downloading a DVD is a pita
[10:07] <LaserJock> those 2 goals kinda clash sometimes
[10:07] <lupine_85> indeed
[10:07] <LaserJock> well, I think the idea is people shouldn't really be downloading DVDs much
[10:07] <LaserJock> that's what shipit and the alternate CD are for
[10:08] <lupine_85> the answer, of course, is to have a "main install" CD, then release various themed CD/DVD packages which one can't install from, and aren't needed by the installer
[10:08] <lupine_85> add one well-supported iso builder for the community, and all needs are catered for
[10:08] <ajmitch> back to debian..
[10:08] <LaserJock> I think the DVD idea is a good one
[10:08] <ajmitch> or fedora, or any other multi-cd distro
[10:09] <LaserJock> as long as we can have a good alternate cd system
[10:09] <pygi> lupine_85, actually LP is supposed to have a mechanism to create "customized ubuntu version" or "packages cd"
[10:09] <lupine_85> it's only really important in the context of people without internet access, of course, as they're basically a repository substitute
[10:09] <lupine_85> LP?
[10:09] <pygi> and it will have that in the future
[10:09] <pygi> Launchpad
[10:09] <lupine_85> edgy+1?
[10:09] <lupine_85> oh, ok
[10:10] <pygi> that might happen someday in the future
[10:10] <lupine_85> falcon can do it now ;)
[10:11] <AnAnt> bddebian: btw, I see that the source package for freedict is in the repos, and the binary package is in NEW QUEUE , is that correct that it is in new queue ?
[10:11] <lupine_85> obviously, without all the dependency resolution etc that's so important
[10:11] <bddebian> AnAnt: Yes unfortunately because the binary has changed
[10:12] <geser> LaserJock: how should someone get a DVD throuth shipit after this announce https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue14?action=show&redirect=UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter%2FCurrent#head-1e3555bea7bd06018bbadcf89ed23281e09d78f1
[10:13] <AnAnt> Indo ubuntu community ?
[10:13] <AnAnt> hmmm, do I know if there is a ubuntu community in my country ?
[10:14] <LaserJock> geser: we'll have to see ;-)
[10:15] <lupine_85> .ar ... a new one on me ;)
[10:17] <beuno> what's wrong with .ar?
[10:17] <lupine_85> nothing, I just have no idea where in the world it is
[10:18] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:18] <LaserJock> this is hard
[10:18] <AnAnt> what is .ar ?
[10:18] <LaserJock> I'm trying not to feed answers here ;-)
[10:19] <beuno> really?
[10:19] <beuno> no idea?
[10:19] <Fujitsu> Noted, noted. I'm just really nervous and tired.
[10:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, let Fujitsu sweat it out for himself :)
[10:19] <beuno> Argentina
[10:19] <ajmitch> poor Fujitsu is getting pushed into the background by side arguments
[10:20] <AnAnt> oh
[10:20] <AnAnt> bddebian: the universe will freeze on thursday, right ?
[10:21] <lfittl> AnAnt: yep
[10:21] <AnAnt> hmmm
[10:25] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well done
[10:25] <pygi> congrats Fujitsu :)
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Thanks for that, LaserJock :)
[10:25] <minghua> congratulations Fujitsu
[10:25] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: no problem, not get to work!
[10:26] <LaserJock> *now
[10:26] <bddebian> heh
[10:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I think it's more like 'get to school!'
[10:26] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Maybe I should be glad you are LaserJock's bitch now ;-P
[10:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, school holidays now :P
[10:26] <minghua> what about "get to bed"? :-)
[10:26] <ajmitch> lucky
[10:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: umm.. don't
[10:26] <bddebian> ?
[10:27] <ajmitch> your last comment
[10:27] <bddebian> Aye, what about it?
[10:29] <Fujitsu> Why, ajmitch?
[10:29] <bddebian> Fujitsu: ajmitch hates me :)
[10:30] <LaserJock> he does not
[10:30] <LaserJock> I don't think anyway ;-)
[10:30] <LaserJock> his point being, I would think, that the CoC might have been better observed in your commentary
[10:31] <LaserJock> Fujitsu is only my willing slave ;-)
[10:31] <Fujitsu> ;-)
[10:31] <bddebian> Oh yes, I forget we are all "sensitive" in here
[10:32] <AnAnt> what is composity ?
[10:34] <bddebian> Fujitsu: haha, touche
[10:44] <Toadstool> ...
[10:44] <Toadstool> I missed the meeting :/
[10:45] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: congrats :)
[10:45] <Fujitsu> Thanks, Toadstool :D
[10:56] <minghua> wow, so ubuntu desktop CD doesn't have packages now but copy a file system instead?
[10:56] <Fujitsu> minghua, same as always.
[10:57] <minghua> Fujitsu: always, as in "since warty"?
[10:57] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:57] <Fujitsu> There's no other way to do it.
[10:57] <minghua> somehow I remember seeing dpkg messages in hoary installation, I must be wrong then
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Er, Hoary had a normal installer, not a live one.
[10:58] <minghua> let me check what "desktop CD" mean...
[10:58] <Fujitsu> The Live CD always copied the filesystem.
[11:00] <LaserJock> Desktop CD = LiveCD sincd Dapper
[11:00] <LaserJock> we didn't always have the livecd
[11:01] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, the Live CD has been around forever, you mean we didn't always have the Desktop CD?
[11:01] <LaserJock> no
[11:01] <LaserJock> we didn't have a Live Cd forever
[11:01] <pygi> Fujitsu, true, we didnt had it
[11:01] <minghua> Fujitsu: we definitely didn't have live CD for warty
[11:02] <LaserJock> I think it was LiveCD for Breezy
[11:02] <LaserJock> and Desktop CD for dapper
[11:02] <minghua> that sounds right
[11:02] <LaserJock> and <= Hoary was d-i
[11:02] <Fujitsu> Er, I have both Warty and Hoary CDs from ShipIt here with Install and Live CDs.
[11:03] <LaserJock> hmmm
[11:03] <LaserJock> installable Live CDs?
[11:03] <LaserJock> I think not
[11:03] <Fujitsu> No, they're not.
[11:03] <LaserJock> perhaps there were LiveCDs but they were just LiveCDs
[11:03] <Fujitsu> Dapper had the first installable one.
[11:03] <LaserJock> I can't remember
[11:03] <LaserJock> well, whatever
[11:04] <LaserJock> Dapper started the Desktop CD which is an installable live cd
[11:04] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[11:04] <minghua> "Ubuntu 5.04 introduces the new Live CD infrastructure that allows for a Live CD for all officially supported Ubuntu architectures"
[11:05] <minghua> so I think I was wrong and Fujitsu was right
[11:05] <minghua> but I somehow never remember warty live CDs
[11:05] <Fujitsu> 4.10 had the Live CD for x86 only.
[11:06] <tseng> i have ONE warty cd
[11:06] <tseng> snatched it up at UDU
[11:06] <tseng> for posterity
[11:06] <LaserJock> heh
[11:06] <LaserJock> I started with Hoary
[11:06] <LaserJock> and didn't have it all that long
[11:06] <tseng> i started with sounder 7
[11:06] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[11:07] <tseng> or whatever the hell the first secret release was
[11:07] <tseng> to community people
[11:07] <tseng> no-name-yet.com
[11:07] <Fujitsu> I got Hoary first, but managed to grab some Warty off a friend.
[11:07] <Fujitsu> I had to have the complete set.
[11:07] <minghua> Fujitsu: however Desktop CD only existed since dapper (so not forever :-)
 LaserJock, the Live CD has been around forever
[11:07] <Fujitsu> minghua, ^^
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Live CD, not Desktop CD.
[11:09] <minghua> yeah, I heard somebody was trying to collect all shipit CDs of every release for every architecture and every flavor
[11:09] <minghua> Fujitsu: true, thanks for the clarification
[11:50] <Q-FUNK> hm
[11:50] <LaserJock> hi Q-FUNK
[11:50] <ajmitch> hi Q-FUNK
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Hi Q-FUNK.
[11:50] <Q-FUNK> I'm really begining to wonder what's going on with sync requests.
[11:51] <Q-FUNK> hoedy
[11:51] <Q-FUNK> howdy, even
[11:51] <LaserJock> archive-admin seems pretty busy
[11:51] <LaserJock> there's a decent NEW backlog
[11:51] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: it's not as bad as it used to be
[11:51] <Q-FUNK> ah
[11:51] <LaserJock> and Kamion is moving houses, it seems
[11:52] <ajmitch> when the only way of getting syncs was bugging elmo on irc or by mail
[11:52] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, fun.
[11:52] <ajmitch> oh yes
[11:52] <Q-FUNK> elmo. *shock* *horror*
[11:53] <LaserJock> the answer to any questions was "ping elmo"
[11:53] <azeem> Q-FUNK: not as bad as neuro, eh?
[11:53] <Q-FUNK> azeem: they are equally bad
[11:53] <azeem> ah, ok
[11:54] <LaserJock> azeem: do you have any idea how long it would take to get g-c-u through NEW?
[11:54] <azeem> LaserJock: longer than thursday for sure
[11:54] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: oh good, I forgot you knew elmo ;)
[11:55] <azeem> LaserJock: I'd upload it to edgy but it B-D to chemical-mime-data which is pending a sync request
[11:55] <geser> I'm trying to build php4 from debian unstable but have problems with the build-deps
[11:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we have a team for universe freeze exceptions
[11:55] <azeem> s/to/on/
[11:55] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: I know elmo since... about 1996.  he used to go by the nick jamest, back then, on ircnet.
[11:55] <Fujitsu> azeem, aha. That's not good...
[11:55] <geser> it depends on apache-dev (which depends on libdb4.4-dev) and apache2-prefork-dev (which depends on libdb4.3-dev) and both can't be installed at the same time
[11:56] <joejaxx> does anyone know where firefox keeps the defulat homepage settings at? file waise?
[11:56] <azeem> I know elmo since 2003 and he's one of the nicest people to hang out with you could imagine
[11:56] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do you have an idea who's going to be doing that this time?
[11:56] <LaserJock> seems like all the good people are busy ;-)
[11:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, we discussed it last week
[11:57] <ajmitch> you need 2 approvals, from the team of dholbach, slomo & siretart
[11:57] <LaserJock> last week?
[11:57] <LaserJock> where?
[11:57] <ajmitch> on irc
[11:57] <LaserJock> k
[11:58] <ajmitch> sorry, no democratic processes here, we just go with what works :)
[11:58] <LaserJock> I don't like it too well, but I guess it's what we got
[11:58] <ajmitch> I trust they'll make sane choices, we can revisit it if they're not availble often anough
[12:00] <Q-FUNK> azeem: in person, he is.  had a ball grabbing lunch with him at debconf5.  however, online... ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:00] <ajmitch> heh
[12:00] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I don't doubt the saneness, I doubt availability
[12:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: as I said, we can discuss it if it happens
[12:01] <LaserJock> I know
[12:01] <ajmitch> I think siretart is mostly moved in now
[12:01] <ajmitch> & should be around more soon
[12:01] <LaserJock> and I don't really know who to add
[12:01] <ajmitch> slomo is always around
[12:01] <LaserJock> other than crimsun but he needs a much deserved break
[12:02] <lupine_85> ah well
[12:03] <ajmitch> sorry, I've been too busy trying to get other stuff done by thursday
[12:03] <ajmitch> I'll try & get some reviewing done
[12:03] <Q-FUNK> seems that we need more than 2 archive masters.
[12:04] <LaserJock> well, if only our archive masters were just archive masters ;-)
[12:04] <Q-FUNK> *sigh* this feels like Debian all over again :(
[12:04] <LaserJock> of course, where do you think we got the idea? and people? ;-)
[12:04] <tseng> Q-FUNK: we suck less
[12:04] <tseng> Q-FUNK: (usually)
[12:05] <LaserJock> haha
[12:05] <tseng> :D
[12:05] <lupine_85> well, if you're desperate for recruits...
[12:05] <LaserJock> well
[12:05] <lupine_85> erm, probably not but you get the idea ;)
[12:05] <Q-FUNK> LaserJock: same thing at Debian.  elmo and joey having last dibs over to many teams.
[12:05] <tseng> Q-FUNK: elmo isnt an archive admin
[12:05] <tseng> (in Ubuntu)
[12:05] <tseng> since 6 months ago perhaps
[12:06] <tseng> keybuk, kamion, mdz has all powers
[12:06] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: except that we do have recourse to the TB, and they do listen
[12:06] <Q-FUNK> tseng: indeed not, but the same issue over having a handful of people wearing too many hats and not wearing any particular one well repeats itself.
[12:06] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: that springs up in any organisation
[12:06] <tseng> Q-FUNK: well there is much less bottleneck
[12:06] <tseng> Q-FUNK: and alot more room for someone to step in if work isnt happening
[12:06] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: I disagree.
[12:06] <LaserJock> well, there are only so many people that can do the job
[12:07] <tseng> we rarely have a long backlog in NEW
[12:07] <lupine_85> ajmitch: I can appreciate you're busy :). If it doesn't get in, it doesn't get in - I can host it outside still
[12:07] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: I have worked in companies where bottlenecks were noticed and workloads immediately rearranged to adjust.
[12:07] <ajmitch> lupine_85: I'm not the only reviewer :)
[12:07] <lupine_85> hehe
[12:07] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: hence why elmo is no longer archive master
[12:07] <lupine_85> I had a couple of comments, fixed them within a couple of hours, nothing since
[12:08] <LaserJock> and was replaced by a team
[12:08] <lupine_85> no advocates yet
[12:08] <Q-FUNK> LaserJock: that team should have at least 5 or 6 active people without any other responsability within ubuntu, to be efficient.
[12:08] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: sure, but we don't have that many qualified people, IMO
[12:09] <Q-FUNK> yes you do
[12:09] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: that team currently requires direct access to the launchpad database
[12:09] <tseng> Q-FUNK: there isnt that much work to do whne people are on the payroll at a 10 hour day
[12:09] <geser> should the security-team be informed about unfixed CVEs in universe?
[12:09] <geser> for edgy
[12:09] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: I'm with you about needing more people


[00:00] <knome> i've been busy with money-making job, but i'm available
[00:00] <knome> if you ever need something, just ping me
[00:09] <len> ScottL: todays (jan21) iso has the old ffmpeg extra problem. Possibly introduced by the live stuff. I'm thinking the "slide show".
[00:10] <len> So install fails
[02:08] <ailo> It's Gnome3 thing - choosing which file manager manages the desktop
[02:08] <ailo> It's also possible to have no file manager managing the desktop, if you want
[02:57]  * micahg is fixing the libav-extra issue
[04:43] <ailo> Would be great if jackd2 1.9.8 wound up in the repo..
[04:50] <len> Download and install 12.04 US for today jan21 (here still)
[04:51] <len> Found some interesting things. I don't like the kernel... it panics when I insert my sd card in it's slot... the same sd is fine through a usb converter.
[04:53] <len> the same sd is fine with xubuntu 11.10. I tried to install with the sd in the sd slot... booted fine but then could not "find" the "cd".
[04:55] <len> I took the sd out plugged it into the usb adaptor and it was fine. Under xubuntu 11.10 They both put out the same logging in dmesg.
[04:57] <micahg> len: let's wait for jackd2 to migrate to testing first
[04:58] <len> This is still a generic kernel
[04:58] <len> I will have to bug report anyway.
[05:00] <len> The install failed after setting all workflows for install because of ffmpeg extra confict again.
[05:00] <micahg> yeah, I just uploaded it 2 hours ago, it should be in the 22nd ISOs
[05:01] <len> So I just installed art and audio plugins and got through ok....
[05:01] <len> Just uploaded what? Kernel or ffmpeg fix
[05:02] <micahg> ffmpeg
[05:02] <micahg> there's a 3.2.0-10 kernel for precise now as well though
[05:03] <len> OK. Has the kernel got put in the seeds/metas yet?
[05:03] <len> Is the lowlat kernal built on the same source as the generic?
[05:03] <micahg> lowlatency isn't in the archive yet
[05:04] <len> might be a good thing I tested with this one so we know it is not the lowlat that is causing it.
[05:08] <len> Once I got it going I ran synaptic to install the metas I missed.
[05:10] <len> they all selected fine (promised to uninstall the non-extras) until I got to the video meta.
[05:12] <len> synaptic would not let me select the video meta because of a dep on ffmpeg... which, it said "would not be installed".
[05:13] <len> So I tried to select ffmpeg... no joy it had a dep of an av* that was not to be installed...
[05:16] <ailo> The idea with -lowlatency is that it is built from exactly the same source as -generic, except it has a slightly different configuration
[05:17] <ailo> Now, there is a difference between the current -lowlatency, and the current -generic however
[05:17] <ailo> The have different versions I believe
[05:18] <len> I'll file the bug against the kernel I have here.
[05:19] <len> The video meta seems to be bad.
[05:19] <len> ubuntustudio-video:
[05:19] <len>  Depends: ffmpeg but it is not going to be installed
[05:19] <len>  Depends: openshot but it is not going to be installed
[05:23] <micahg> len: please wait tomorrow to try the video
[05:24] <len> /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop is still missing (link)
[05:24] <micahg> is it not working now?
[05:24] <len> I put it in manually
[05:25] <len> I will try video again tomorrow.
[05:27] <len> The install should work if the extras have been fixed.
[05:32] <len> Ok, looks like the av stuff is in the middle of an upgrade. Some are done and others not.
[05:33] <len> The two packages that won't install require 4:0.8, but we have 4:0.7
[16:20] <craigs63> hi kids, meeting here in 40 minutes?
[16:23] <astraljava> Not here, but on #ubuntu-meeting.
[16:24] <astraljava> ScottL: holstein: Up for chairing? I'm a little distracted here.
[16:24] <craigs63> thanks
[16:25] <holstein> astraljava: i should be home by then, and i should have time to chair
[16:25] <astraljava> Thanks Mike!
[16:53] <holstein> i might be a bit late
[16:53] <holstein> running home now
[17:01] <holstein> OK
[17:01] <holstein> not bad... one minute late :)
[17:40] <ailo> I just tried out mudita24
[17:40] <ailo> Only the levels, I/O and the meters
[17:40] <ailo> The app is pretty basic
[17:41] <ailo> Don't forsee any problems with it
[17:41] <holstein> cool
[17:42] <holstein> craigs63: thanks for attending
[17:42] <astraljava> ailo: len: Give it a few more runs, and prepare to report your findings in the next meeting. Ok?
[17:45] <astraljava> I'm fairly confident it runs well, so we could do it in the next informal meeting a week from now, it's not that big a deal.
[17:45] <astraljava> But since it's not a "stable" release from the upstream, I also don't wanna get it synced just like that.
[17:48] <ailo> astraljava: IT won't crash anyway. The questions is whether all the controls are doing what they are supposed, but I would think they do, since the changes were more of a superficial nature
[17:48] <ailo> There is some oddity in how the volume controls are drawn
[17:48] <ailo> But, it makes no difference
[17:49] <ailo> It all seems to work normally
[17:50] <holstein> i just copied https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012February5 over from todays agenda and edited times
[17:50] <holstein> if you guys want to "have at it"
[17:56] <astraljava> holstein: Thanks! I can edit it for actions and stuff.
[17:57] <holstein> astraljava: thanks... i dont mind chewing away at some of it too.. im just doing the broad strokes before i need to run out the door
[17:58] <astraljava> Sure thing.
[17:58] <ailo> I'm going to sleep, at 7pm.
[17:59] <ailo> See you guys around
[18:07] <holstein> astraljava: i think todays page looks good
[18:07] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012January22
[18:07] <holstein> if you want to go ahead and focus on the next meetings' page
[18:07] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012February5
[18:08] <holstein> couldnt decide if it should be 5 or 05 ..whatever
[18:50] <ScottL> jeez, sorry for missing the meeting
[18:51] <ScottL> wife is out of town and i'm a little distracted with the two boys
[18:52] <ScottL> and completely missed that it was past 10:00 already
[18:53] <astraljava> No worries Scott. :)
[18:55] <ScottL> i feel bad because it's become routine for me to miss the meeting
[18:55] <ScottL> i rely on google calendar for reminders but i'm not always by a computer or with my phone
[18:56] <ScottL> when home i routinely put my phone on my dresser in the bedroom and only pick it up if we go out
[18:57] <astraljava> It's not that big a deal, really. We can work out the issues at other times. And we should, too. For instance the tasks tracking etc.
[18:57] <ScottL> i think i might buy a cheap alarm clock and put it somewhere cental that will go off on sundays
[18:57] <astraljava> So it really isn't an issue if one of us misses a meeting or three.
[19:00] <ScottL> but it's not like the meeting is not friendly to my time zone, i'm available and practically always at the house during those times
[19:00] <ScottL> i just need a better system to remind myself about the meeting
[20:25] <ScottL> is anyone interested in being a 3rd maintainer for the lowlatency kernel?  this would basically be a fail-over position in case abogani or i were no longer available?
[20:26] <ScottL> i will also be creating a lowlatency kernel team under ubuntu studio, the three persons would be on this team
[20:26] <ScottL> TheMuso, can i have your advice about how to properly include sane, default jack settings?
[20:27] <ScottL> TheMuso, we have the settings and i have been told that i can place them in the /skel directory to be included into a user's home directory
[20:27] <ScottL> TheMuso, my concern is about whether they should be included in the -default-settings package or create another binary from within the -default-settings source code
[20:28] <ScottL> TheMuso, i am leaning to creating another binary for this because this would limit people's access to isntalling something into their /home directory unecessarily or unintentionally
[20:56] <micahg> if they're defaults, why aren't they set on the system level instead of a per-user basis?
[21:02] <ScottL> micahg, i believe that jack only sets it's setting in the user's home directory, i don't know if it can be set like you are describing but i think that is a good idea if possible
[21:03] <micahg> you might want to talk to the Debian multimedia team (#debian-multimedia on OFTC)
[21:03] <ScottL> i.e. have a default system setting, but if the user adjusts it then it gets set in the /home directory then and jack always checks for the existance of the /home directory settings first and uses the system setting otherwise
[21:03] <ScottL> micahg, i will do that
[21:57] <astraljava> ScottL: I can be the third maintainer, sure.
[22:02] <ScottL> astraljava, sweet!  i'll make the team later this evening :)
[22:02] <ScottL> (and i can mark the blueprint as "DONE" on two more items)