[10:43] <MrKimm> oook... he gives up when he doesnt get flash to work xD
[10:43] <MrKimm> Although I supose I did make it seem a bit complicated...
[10:44] <hydrogen> flash is a worthless technology
[10:44] <MrKimm> hydrogen, true. But if you want to "experiance the webb" its practically essential
[10:45] <sourcemaker> stdin: Yes... I am using mysql as backend... but I also does not work very fine... loading the application taks very long... and sometimes it hangs and I have to kill the application... Using the sqlite is working... but slow and hog more memory
[10:45] <hydrogen> not at all true MrKimm
[10:45] <XboxUser> anyone know why everything in my kubuntu is erm, blurry? lol, text is blurry
[10:45] <sourcemaker> stdin: I have installed the last version available for festy
[10:45] <draik> How do I get the wireless card to be recognized?
[10:46] <draik> It's not listed in the Control Module for the network?
[10:46] <draik> ?=.
[10:47] <MrKimm> hydrogen, no? most websites use flash (mainly for adds though... so thats a pest =P), besides from forums and such. But for internet video and so on (You people and youtube... you know?) you need it
[10:47] <stdin> sourcemaker: also ask on http://amarok.kde.org/forum/ the amarok forum, and best place to ask about amarok #amarok
[10:47] <MrKimm> *young people
[10:48] <tuxd> what is the default file system for Kubuntu (Fiesty)
[10:48] <MrKimm> tuxd, ext3 :)
[10:49] <MrKimm> oh damn... forgot about Automatix... oh well <.<
[10:50] <tuxd> MrKimm: ext3 is the file system? I thought it would be like FAT32
[10:50] <TheBorg0815> hllo
[10:50] <jhutchins> tuxd: fat32 is not a linux filesystem.
[10:50] <dekc> hi can you help me transfre some files to another hdd?
[10:51] <MrKimm> tuxd, nope, ext3 is the filesystem. If you need to access your Linux disk in Windows, you need a third-party driver
[10:51] <dekc> hi can you help me transfre some files to another hdd?
[10:51] <tuxd> MrKimm: OK.  If I have files on an external Hard drive I want to bring to my linux machine (and the HD is FAT32) how would I do that?
[10:51] <TheBorg0815> hm German users hear _
[10:51] <jhutchins> dekc: Why would you need help?  Just copy the files.
[10:52] <dekc> i cant munt the second hdd
[10:52] <dekc> mount
[10:52] <MrKimm> tuxd, did you try just plugging it in? it usualy automounts and gives you an icon on the desktop. But I am kinda new to KDE (usualy use XFCE, sp I'm not enirely sure how it works here)
[10:53] <MrKimm> tuxd, Linux can read/write FAT32 without problems =)
[10:53] <dekc> i dont know how to mount it
[10:53] <tuxd> MrKimm: yeah, I'm new to Linux overall, but I want to kill my MS  : (
[10:53] <dekc> now i'm on master maxtor
[10:53] <dekc> i want to transfer to slave
[10:53] <dekc> but don't know how
[10:53] <sourcemaker> Any experience with KDE 4???
[10:54] <MrKimm> tuxd, you'll get the hang of it :) It doesnt take long to adapt
[10:54] <jhutchins> dekc: Does it show up in the bios?  Is it an IDE or what?
[10:54] <jhutchins> sourcemaker: No, that's beta.
[10:54] <dekc> it is ide
[10:54] <tuxd> MrKimm:  how do you kill a program?
[10:54] <stdin> sourcemaker: the beta2 is not worth the bandwidth, but the svn version is nice
[10:54] <jhutchins> dekc: Does it show up in the bios?
[10:54] <dekc> i've finished now to reinstall kubuntu
[10:54] <dekc> on it
[10:54] <dekc> and i want to pass my files
[10:54] <dekc> from the older
[10:55] <tuxd> MrKimm:  like in Windows, I would Cntrl+Alt+Delete to get Windows Task Manager.  What is like that in Linux?
[10:55] <MrKimm> tuxd, not sure how KDE does that again... but you can create a launcher on the panel or the desktop or somewhere that executes "xkill" then klick on the program that you want to kill
[10:55] <jhutchins> tuxd: ctrl-esc
[10:55] <draik> MrKimm: I second that. Linux is fairly easy to learn.
[10:55] <sourcemaker> stdin: It seems... that you are a real tux... How can I develop kde applications... or which tutorials can I read for developing application in KDE?
[10:56] <jhutchins> tuxd: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[10:56] <jhutchins> sourcemaker: #kde
[10:56] <MrKimm> tuxd, or you can follow jhutchins advice, I didnt know about that one...
[10:56] <dekc> how can i mount that hdd?
[10:56] <stdin> sourcemaker: see http://kde.org/getinvolved/development/ and hang out on #kde-devel
[10:57] <tuxd> MrKimm: thanks
[10:57] <sourcemaker> stdin: Thanks... you... so i will change the channel... bye bye
[10:57] <tuxd> jhutchins: thanks
[10:57] <stdin> sourcemaker: the key tools to developing in KDE is 1) learn C++, 2) learn Qt
[10:57] <MrKimm> tuxd, np :)
[10:57] <MrKimm> Well, gettin' kinda sleepy =) Cya all!
[10:58] <draik> How do I get my internal wireless card to read?
[10:58] <dekc> pls help me
[10:58] <dekc> i really need
[10:58] <dekc> to transfer all my files
[10:58] <draik> It's there in LSPCI and in the Network Configuration, but no matter how many times I hit "enable", it goes right back to disabled.
[10:58] <draik> dekc: What methods do you have available?
[10:59] <dekc> i have this hdd with all my files like 60-70GB and the new hdd with a fresh kubuntu install
[10:59] <dekc> and i want to pass all my files to it
[10:59] <draik> Can you plug in the HDD as a secondary?
[11:00] <dekc> it'a already plugged
[11:00] <dekc> as slave
[11:00] <draik> Then if it's there and has power, it should be seen. If not, you need to mount the drive
[11:01] <dekc> yeah right
[11:01] <dekc> but don't know how to mount
[11:01] <kreib> deck : is ti listed in  /dev/hda or /dev/hdb or something, cant you mount it
[11:01] <draik> kreib: I doubt hda. It may also be sda/b
[11:02] <jhutchins> sudo fdisk -l will list mountable devices.
[11:02] <dekc> how can i see what drives is avaible for mont?
[11:02] <dekc> thx
[11:02] <dekc> Disk /dev/hdb: 320.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>76 bytes
[11:02] <draik> How do I find out about enabling the wireless card?
[11:02] <dekc> i think is this
[11:02] <jhutchins> dekc: I would read the manpage for rsync and use that to make the copies.
[11:02] <dekc> so i have to do
[11:02] <kreib> just try mount it and see
[11:03] <jhutchins> draik: sudo lspci, find your chipset, look it up:
[11:03] <hydrogen> err
[11:03] <kreib> sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/somedir
[11:03] <hydrogen> you can't mount a hard drive
[11:03] <dekc> sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/mydisk ?
[11:03] <jhutchins> !wireless | draik
[11:03] <ubotu> draik: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:03] <hydrogen> you mount a partition
[11:03] <dekc> i try now
[11:03] <draik> jhutchins: FIRESIDE91 tried to help me. It seemed to work, but upon rebooting the wireless card was gone from the Network Manager list, but not LSPCI
[11:03] <dekc> thx again
[11:04] <dekc> waaaaaaaaait
[11:04] <jhutchins> draik: You may not have written an alias in the modules configuration files, again, the documentation is above.
[11:04] <dekc> /dev/hdb1               1       38640   310375768+  83  Linux
[11:04] <poison--> draik, u need to add it to boot
[11:04] <dekc> maybe its this????????'
[11:04] <hydrogen> yes
[11:04] <hydrogen> its that
[11:04] <dekc> ok
[11:04] <draik> Thank you jhutchins and poison--
[11:05] <dekc> yeesss
[11:05] <draik> Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[11:05] <dekc> it worked
[11:05] <dekc> thx guys
[11:07] <poison--> sweet
[11:07] <dekc> i have to unmount the drive before reebooting??
[11:09] <stdin> dekc: linux will unmount all partitions/devices before powering off anyway
[11:23] <dekc> !mount
[11:23] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:24] <dekc> !fstab
[11:24] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[11:24] <dekc> !cedega
[11:24] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[11:26] <ubuntu> Allo
[11:28] <randal_> hmm installed Apache2 but cannot locate it now ... (installed using the Konsole) - so where would it have put it so I can config it??
[11:28] <ubuntu> randal_: config is always in /etc
[11:29] <randal_> erm ok - but where is the application 'Apache2' now located?
[11:29] <ubuntu> randal_: you want to start it?
[11:29] <randal_> Well eventually yes - :D
[11:30] <ubuntu> randal_: it should be started already but you can /etc/init.d/apache start/stop
[11:30] <randal_> in konsole right
[11:30] <ubuntu> Yep
[11:30] <lewix> how can I know the kernel and kubuntu version I'm using from the cmd
[11:31] <randal_> ok - so back to config - what do I type to get to the config?
[11:32] <ubuntu> lewix: lsb_release -a
[11:32] <ubuntu> or uname -r
[11:32] <randal_> I need to 'name' the site - put in content and work out how to have a share file there for .obj files
[11:33] <ubuntu> randal_: kdesu /etc/apache/ ,, Um something i forget :)
[11:33] <boubbin> how to install gnome from kubuntu ?
[11:33] <ubuntu> randal_: kdesu kate /etc/ sorru
[11:33] <ubuntu> boubbin: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <randal_> oh kate - ok makes sene.. :D
[11:34] <ubuntu> randal_: the content would be in /var/share/www I think
[11:34] <sredna> hi
[11:34] <sredna> what do i install to get gpgme in kubuntu?
[11:35] <ubuntu> !info gpgpme
[11:35] <ubotu> Package gpgpme does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:35] <ubuntu> !info gpgme
[11:35] <ubotu> Package gpgme does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:35] <ubuntu> !find gpgme
[11:35] <ubotu> Found: libgpgme11, libgpgme11-dev, libgpgme-dev, libgpgme-ruby, libgpgme-ruby1.8 (and 2 others)
[11:35] <sredna> there is supposed to be an executable
[11:35] <ubuntu> sredna: lobgpgpme11 it looks like
[11:36] <randal_> hmm quess I need to know the name of the file itself - Kate tells me that is a folder....
[11:36] <ubuntu> bjwebb: Hoorah! ask In #ubuntu+1 :-)
[11:36] <bjwebb> okies
[11:36] <poison--> is there anitin better than samba?
[11:36] <ubuntu> randal_: Yeah there is a file under there a .conf I'll bet
[11:36] <ubuntu> poison--: a what?
[11:36] <poison--> ?
[11:37] <randal_> I'll browse to it so I can see the name - then I'll add it to the command line...
[11:37] <poison--> smb=samba
[11:37] <poison--> starting to get really mad with it
[11:37] <poison--> !samba
[11:37] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:37] <ubuntu> randal_: You can tab complete
[11:37] <ubuntu> !tab | randal_
[11:37] <ubotu> randal_: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[11:38] <ubuntu> poison--: Right but I don't know what you are doing
[11:38] <ardchoille> poison--: Well, if you didn;t deal with a second-rate, piece of crap, OS wannabe.. you wouldn't need samba.
[11:40] <ubuntu> sredna: :-)
[11:40] <sredna> for the first time, i can now use S/MIMI signing or encryption with kmail
[11:41] <ubuntu> !@futurama
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about futurama - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <ubuntu> Liar
[11:41] <sredna> i can use my certificate issued by the danish gouverment
[11:41] <ubuntu> sredna: Gutsy?
[11:42] <randal_> hmm found it have opened in kate - but it's empty - hmm
[11:43] <randal_> !@apache2
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apache2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <ubuntu> !apache
[11:43] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:44] <ubuntu> gotta go
[11:44] <randal_> I'm using Fiesty
[11:46] <tekteen> Hi
[11:46] <tekteen> I need some help
[11:46] <tekteen> How do I get a script to boot another in a konsole window?
[11:46] <lewix> ubuntulog, unamer -r is for the kernel and lsb_release is for the dist
[11:47] <ardchoille> tekteen: You mean have one script launch another script?
[11:47] <tekteen> no
[11:47] <tekteen> ye
[11:47] <tekteen> yes
[11:47] <tekteen> I need to launch it in a konsole window
[11:48] <tekteen> for instence
[11:48] <ardchoille> tekteen: no idea
[11:48] <tekteen> cron can start a script but I want it run in a konsole window
[11:49] <tekteen> Do you at least know how to boot a script on a cd automaticaly
[11:49] <ardchoille> maybe "konsole -e sh /path/to/script.sh"  ?
[11:49] <ardchoille> tekteen: ^^
[11:49] <tekteen> I will try that
[11:49] <sea_4_ever`> G'aftanoo
[11:49] <ardchoille> hi sea_4_ever`
[11:50] <tekteen> how to boot a script on a cd automaticaly
[11:50] <ardchoille> tekteen: Boot a script on a cd automatically? I wouldn't even think about loading a cd with that on it.. unless it's a distro from a reputable source.
[11:50] <tekteen> how do you boot a script on a cd automaticaly
[11:51] <newsense07> !hi | sea_4_ever`
[11:51] <ubotu> sea_4_ever`: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:51] <tekteen> It is for a project
[11:51] <ardchoille> No idea
[11:51] <tekteen> I have "domb" people who need to install many packages easily
[11:52] <ardchoille> tekteen: I would think you have to make the cd bootable, and then it would happen.. but I don't know how to do that
[11:52] <tekteen> no
[11:52] <tekteen> boot a script when inserted in kubuntu
[11:52] <ardchoille> yes, you need to make the cd bootable first.
[11:52] <tekteen> Bootable is only for the bios
[11:53] <tekteen> starting OS's
[11:53] <tekteen> Thanks for the help though
[11:53] <ardchoille> ok tekteen, whatever you say.
[11:53] <tekteen> I have worked with it before
[11:56] <elvin_> oooooooh!!!
[11:57] <elvin_> !
[12:00] <ardchoille> ok, no more caffeine for elvin_
[12:12] <draik> I can't get administrator access into the Login Manager. The password prompt never comes up.
[12:12] <draik> Any way around this?
[12:13] <stdin> don't login as root, use sudo to run commands as root
[12:13] <draik> I'm not logging in as root
[12:13] <scheater6> If you are trying to launch it graphically, first try to run in a terminal, and if that works verify the command for the shortcut is correct
[12:13] <draik> What is the command to run the login manager?
[12:14] <stdin> draik: what do you mean you can't get administrator access to it then?
[12:14] <scheater6> stdin: I think he means he tries to launch it graphically, but kdesu never comes up
[12:15] <draik> I'm logged in as a user. I go to K Menu > System Settings > Advanced tab > Login Manager
[12:15] <ardchoille> draik: click on the Administrator button at the bottom
[12:15] <draik> When I click on Administrator Mode at the bottom, it gets a red border and no prompt for the password
[12:15] <draik> ardchoille: ^^^
[12:15] <ardchoille> draik: Oh, ok.
[12:16] <scheater6> I've occasionally had the same trouble with system settings, which is why I still use kcontrol.
[12:17] <draik> scheater6: kdesu kcontrol
[12:17] <draik> AH
[12:17] <draik> Just got it
[12:17] <scheater6> that's precisely how I do it these days, and I was just about to recommend draik do "kdesu systemsettings"
[12:18] <draik> Thank you
[12:18] <scheater6> draik: actually, I take that back.  I don't have to issue kdesu on kcontrol because it properly handles launching kdesu when I ask for administrator mode
[12:19] <bjwebb> :S
[12:19] <draik> Thank you all for your help
[12:20] <BluesKaj> draik, ardchoille , usually if you do a : sudo dpkg --configure -a and relogin , admin permission is restored
[12:20] <draik> This channel always has the answers
[12:20] <bjwebb> anyone think they could help?
[12:20] <bjwebb> /dev/sda6, size:2.93GB, used space:13.37GB
[12:21] <bjwebb> :S
[12:21] <bjwebb> how does that happen?
[12:22] <ardchoille> bjwebb: Wow, it only has about 3Gb and you're using 13Gb of it? Can you teach me how to do that? lol
[12:22] <bjwebb> ardchoille: :S
[12:23] <bjwebb> its a partition, so presumeably its running over
[12:23] <bjwebb> actually its my home partition
[12:23] <bjwebb> the one after it should be really small, but isn't
[12:34] <WaltzingAlong> bjwebb: what seems to be the issue
[12:34] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: it can get reported that way if there were errors
[12:34] <bjwebb> WaltzingAlong: well the partitions, they're saying funny sizes
[12:35] <bjwebb> and i want to make a new one without "harming" them
[12:35] <oru> hi
[12:35] <ardchoille> bjwebb: If there were errors, I don't think I'd use those partitions due to being unreliable.
[12:36] <ardchoille> Sounds like you'd end up with corrupted files
[12:36] <bjwebb> ardchoille: but they're the partitions ive been using for the last 6 months!
[12:37] <ardchoille> o.O
[12:38] <ardchoille> bjwebb: what does df show for /dev/sda6 ?
[12:39] <bjwebb> df?
[12:39] <ardchoille> open a term and type: df
[12:39] <ardchoille> df - report file system disk space usage
[12:39] <bjwebb> ardchoille: its not there, but it isn't mounted
[12:40] <bjwebb> shall i mount and then try?
[12:40] <ardchoille> yes
[12:41] <bjwebb> 12583672  14200496  47%
[12:42] <bjwebb> used, availible, %
[12:43] <ardchoille> Seems to be correct
[12:43] <bjwebb> hmmm
[12:43] <ardchoille> bjwebb: How did you get your previous reading?
 /dev/sda6, size:2.93GB, used space:13.37GB
[12:43] <bjwebb> ardchoille: from qtparted
[12:44] <ardchoille> I think I would trust df before I trusted qtparted
[12:44] <bjwebb> ardchoille: yeah
[12:44] <bjwebb> but i was gonna use qtparted to do some partitions
[12:44] <bjwebb> s/s/ing
[12:44] <bjwebb> im not so sure now
[12:45] <ardchoille> bjwebb: iirc, qtparted is just a front end for parted, mkfs and others
[12:46] <bjwebb> ardchoille: yeah, so does that mean that qparted would be as good as anything?
[12:46] <dappermuis> since we're talking about parted - anybody know why gparte dis capable of modifying existing ext3 partitions but qtparted is not?
[12:47] <ardchoille> bjwebb: When a front end seems to have errors, I usually go to the back end apps and see if they have the same errors. If they don't, I use them instead of the front end.
[12:47] <ardchoille> dappermuis: Silly question, but are you running gparted with admin privs?
[12:48] <bjwebb> ardchoille: im not too hot on how to use parted
[12:48] <dappermuis> ardchoille, i'm not doing anything at the moment - but in the past when i've needed to shrink ext3 partitions i would boot the kubuntu live disc which has qtparted on it and it wouldn't work
[12:48] <dappermuis> then i'd boot gparted and it would
[12:48] <dappermuis> gparted live disk that is
[12:48] <randal_> Ok - look at this and then help me understand why my site can't be found on other computers?
[12:49] <ardchoille> dappermuis, bjwebb: yes, lots of folks have said that qtparted doesn't work as well as some other ui's.
[12:49] <randal_> * Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...                             [ OK ]


[07:26] <nathanbl> is this wrong: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu quantal main
[07:26] <nathanbl> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu quantal main
[10:51] <shadeslayer> I'm curious, would it be possible to add a keyword in the url field for git imports? for eg. if the git import url contains kde: as the first 3 letters, then replace kde: with git://anongit.kde.org/
[10:52] <shadeslayer> so then I can import git repos like kde:clones/repo/user/foo
[16:45] <ESphynx> Hmm, are the imports still having issues?
[16:53] <ESphynx> guess it's just the backlog? :
[16:53] <ESphynx> :)
[17:36] <jderose> hello, i have a proprietary project i setup on LP last week. i've got everything working, except I can't create a source package recipe.
[17:37] <jderose> The "Create packaging recipe" link doesn't show up. I believe I have every correct permission wise. any ideas?
[17:45] <dobey> jderose: you can't do recipes of private branches
[17:45] <dobey> jderose: it just doesn't work, because the recipe builder doesn't have the credentials to read everyone's private branches.
[17:45] <jderose> dobey: damn... i thought i saw that feature mentioned somewhere on the website
[17:46] <jderose> okay, i guess that makes sense
[17:46] <jderose> dobey: so is the best approach to run the recipe locally, dput the source package to our private PPA?
[17:47] <dobey> jderose: yeah, you'll have to have a script run as a user with permissions to read the branch and upload to the PPA in question, to do that
[17:47] <jderose> okay. i've been able to dput packages okay to the private PPA already, so that's working.
[17:48] <jderose> dobey: happen to have any good example scripts of how to do this? i've never ran a recipe locally
[17:49] <dobey> i don't. pretty much every time i've tried to run bzr dailydeb locally, i've had it complain about the version formatting i used (which works fine on lp), or it appears to work but i can't find the resulting source package anywhere
[17:50] <dobey> but using the same commands as the lp recipe builder does should generally work
[17:50] <jderose> dobey: okay, i'll play around with it. thanks for the help!
[17:50] <dobey> the main annoying bit is you basically want to write a wrapper script to run the recipe for all the different ubuntu versions
[17:51] <dobey> to append the correct series and such
[17:51] <jderose> for this particular project, we just need to build for a single ubuntu version, so at least that's easier i guess
[17:51] <jderose> okay
[17:52] <dobey> yeah, that does make life easier :)
[18:31] <jbicha> hi I think I hit a timeout twice on https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/dev/+build/4456405 but a virtually identical version built successfully earlier
[18:31] <jbicha> on amd64 https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/dev/+build/4453942
[18:32] <jbicha> would it be possible for you to force it to build with a more powerful builder so that I'm not using up the ppa builder time for something that may or may not complete?
[19:00] <lifeless> jbicha: no
[19:01] <lifeless> jbicha: or at least, not afaik.
[19:02] <jbicha> lifeless: is there a list of which builders are more powerful? I can click the cancel & retry buttons a few times if I knew
[19:03] <lifeless> jbicha: fixing your build might be better :) - the timeout is quite generous...
[19:04] <jbicha> this is webkit we're talking about... :(
[19:08] <dobey> does libreoffice timeout all the time too? or chromium?
[19:08] <dobey> or firefox?
[19:11] <qengho> dobey: I don't remember chromium-browser ever timing out.
[19:13] <qengho> dobey: though, this rules file has some side-running process that emits a timestamp every five minutes.  Perhaps that, printing to stdout, resets some timer.
[19:14] <dobey> not sure. could do perhaps
[21:53] <shadeslayer> hi, my code import hasn't been imported in over 7 hours, is there an issue wrt the code imports?
[21:53] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/kdebase-workspace/taskbarqml
[21:55] <czajkowski> shadeslayer: it was down over the last 3 days so I suspect it's catching up
[21:55] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:55] <shadeslayer> thanks czajkowski
[21:55] <shadeslayer> it's like you're always awake, just like me :P
[21:55] <czajkowski> I'm jsut heading off to sleep
[21:56] <shadeslayer> good night :)
[22:05] <lifeless> czajkowski: night night :)
[22:08] <ESphynx> good night =)
[22:08] <ESphynx> time for cooking some macaroni here
[23:55] <mandel> hello, is there a tutorial in how to create a ppa that will use the code that is present in a bzr branch in lp?
[23:55] <mandel> I already have all the debian dirs etc.. I just want to create a ppa to test some changes I made in a project
[23:56] <wgrant> mandel: In some cases you can use a recipe (https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes), but you might have to upload a package manually (https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading)
[23:57] <mandel> wgrant, awesome, I was looking for the recipe info, thx!


[02:16] <clivejo> anyone having trouble gunzip in bionic?
[02:17] <clivejo> gzip: buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.kf5-messagelib_4:17.11.80+p18.04+git20171117.1745-0_BUILDING.txt.gz: not in gzip format
[14:51] <doko> ginggs, tumbleweed, jtaylor: there's definitely something wrong with numpy/scipy on i386. see the python-cdo build just hanging in the tests
[16:17] <ginggs> doko: where do you see that? i'm only seeing what look like more precision errors in the blas and atlas tests
[17:35] <doko> ginggs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cdo/1.3.5-2
[18:41] <ginggs> doko: ah, ok. let's see what the latest numpy upload does
[18:47] <gsilvapt> Anyone experience any issues in Launchpad?
[18:49] <gsilvapt> Well, running all comands with pip3 and sudo worked
[18:49] <gsilvapt> Oops, sorry, wrong channel
[19:57] <doko> ginggs: hangs again
[22:09] <fantoro> Hey, I'm new to Ubuntu/Debian packaging and I want to become a ppa maintainer for an open source port of a game, right now I'm trying to make the .deb package but when I add debian/install file I get an error.
[22:10] <fantoro> Wait, I just found out that the content of my install file are somehow wrong
[22:12] <fantoro> btw these are my contents of the install file: https://pastebin.com/raw/eWdHZkaA


[00:01] <eriksson25> Dont understand
[00:06] <eriksson25> Anyone around that is proo on proftpd
[00:08] <iarp> eriksson25: what's wrong with vsftpd? aside from not being able to restart
[00:10] <eriksson25> Well, I have been using proftpd for a long time. But since updating to latest the tls support dosent work. So I looked at vsftpd but its virtuel user suport is so messy to set up. And since I only need to get tls to work on proftpd for everything to be set up I wanted to give it a other chanse
[01:00] <fluvvell> eriksson25, I'm not proo on proftp, but the upstart message is fairly clear - its an "improvement" on the standard service starting mechanism
[01:00] <fluvvell> I have one instance of proftp working on a server , but its a simple setup
[01:36] <electrofreak> where do /dev/md_d*p* come from? I have /dev/md_d3 and /dev/md_d3p[1-4] for some reason, and I can't get rid of them.
[01:36] <electrofreak> mdadm --stop /dev/md_d3 will work, but I can't get rid of the p1-p4
[01:47] <martin-> electrofreak: you want to remove the array?
[01:52] <electrofreak> martin-, I don't know where it came from.... so..... yes
[01:56] <Dravekx> how is the release date looking for Maverick? :)
[01:58] <martin-> electrofreak: mdadm --detail /dev/md_d3, mdadm --stop /dev/md_d3 and mdadm --zero-superblock the devices that are part of the array
[01:59] <martin-> md_d3p[1-4] are just partitions on md_d3, so they should disappear when you stop /dev/md_d3 I think
[02:00]  * fluvvell is annoyed that when he hit enter on "Commit partition changes and write to disk", it suddenly started installing the root system before he has his raid1 partitions allocated
[02:01] <electrofreak> martin-, they didn't disappear.. :-/
[02:03] <electrofreak> these might be coming from some external HDD I used to play with a linear "raid"
[02:03] <electrofreak> I thought I zero'd out the whole drive when I saw done... maybe not
[02:04] <martin-> if you zero the superblock on the raid members and reboot, they should be gone
[02:04] <martin-> I'm assuming you have backups of course :)
[02:05] <electrofreak> martin-, hah, yea.... ideally. My storage volume kinda out grew the external drives...
[02:05] <electrofreak> I think I was working on playing with btrfs + compression and stuff... never got back to it though...
[02:06] <martin-> hehe
[02:07] <electrofreak> so, is 10.10 going to be a 2.6.35 kernel? or 2.6.34?
[02:07] <electrofreak> I haven't been keeping up with it
[02:08] <Dravekx> I have 2 drives installed: /sda and /sdb, what is dm-0???
[02:08] <martin-> I just installed 10.10 desktop on my laptop, which is .35
[02:09] <martin-> Dravekx: dm-0 is a mapper device used by lvm, dm-crypt etc.
[02:09] <Dravekx> martin-, ah...
[02:41] <aegis> Hi all...  I'm restoring my server after having to rebuild my RAID array...  I was wondering if anyone could direct me to information for ensuring that GRUB2 will recognize my new mdadm RAID array as well as what I need to do to update mdadm on the system.
[02:48] <electrofreak> aegis, the initram should have what is needed for RAID... which is built when you install a kernel...
[02:48] <electrofreak> if you install mdadm... I think by default it'll detect your array(s)...
[02:49] <aegis> electrofreak: the problem is I'm restoring my system from backups...  the backups most definitely have different UUID's for the raid arrays since these are new.
[02:49] <electrofreak> edit /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[02:49] <aegis> I can probably edit /etc/mdadm.conf
[02:49] <aegis> right
[02:50] <aegis> but I still think grub is going to throw a fit when I go to boot the system...  actually, I think grub may not even pop up to be honest...
[02:50] <electrofreak> did you run grub-setup?
[02:51] <twb> IIRC the default behaviour is to scan all partitions for md arrays, and activate any it finds.
[02:51] <electrofreak> or grub-install
[02:51] <Dravekx> Ahhhh... upstart change. :(
[02:51] <twb> That is, in an initrd that was built after mdadm was installed.
[02:53] <aegis> electrofreak: I just rebuilt the arrays using sysrescuecd and am in the processes of restoring the filesystem from backup onto the array...  That's where I am right now...  When it finishes, I will have a RAID 1 and RAID 10 array with my system as it was 3 days ago...
[02:53] <twb> Sorry, I tell a lie.  In 8.04, at least, mdadm.conf is copied into the ramdisk and appears to only assemble pre-defined arrays.
[02:54] <aegis> electrofreak: So should I try to rub grub-install or grub-setup from the rescuesyscd I have up now?
[02:54] <aegis> twb: So do you think if I just change the UUID's in mdadm.conf that it will boot?
[02:54] <twb> aegis: you will need to change the UUIDs in the *ramdisk* mdadm.conf.
[02:54] <electrofreak> I would chroot into your restored install, then run it from there.
[02:54] <electrofreak> UUIDs can be found with blkid
[02:55] <twb> aegis: you can do this by editing the chroot and running "update-initramfs -u -k all", or by doing it by hand with cpio
[02:55] <aegis> AHHHH, great idea
[02:55] <twb> You can, of course, simply tell mdadm to create the array with the old UUID
[02:55] <aegis> I forgot about chroot... interesting...  that opens up some possibilities.
[02:56] <aegis> twb: the arrays are already created though and LVM installed on top...  the system is being restoring onto the lvm as I type...
[02:56] <twb> something like mdadm assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sd[ab]1 --update=uuid --uuid=XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX
[02:56] <twb> One of my failover products works by making the failover host have the same UUIDs as the "real" host.
[02:57] <aegis> twb: that's interesting...  that sounds like that might be the easiest thing rather than to hunt throughout my system to find all the places it might be referenced...
[02:58] <aegis> electrofreak: so when I chroot into the system, are you recommending I run grub-install?
[02:58] <electrofreak> aegis, well... you need a bootloader.... so yes
[03:00] <aegis> electrofreak: so, grub-install versus update-grub?
[03:01] <electrofreak> either might work
[03:01] <aegis> cool...  I'm just researching the update-initramfs command twb recommended as well...
[03:01] <twb> aegis: you'll want to do it for the LV names and filesystem UUIDs, too
[03:02] <twb> aegis: you can't fix the MACs of the NICs, though, so you'll want to edit or delete /etc/udev/rules/*persistent-net.rules
[03:02] <aegis> twb: okay, I'm a little confused now...  what will I want to do for the LV names and filesystem UUID's now?
[03:02] <twb> Oh -- and if you make UUIDs match, NEVER EVER EVER put both the old and new disks in the same box at the same time.
[03:03] <aegis> twb: these are the same disks
[03:03] <twb> aegis: make them match the old box (or hunt down references to the old UUIDs and update them, e.g. /etc/fstab)
[03:03] <aegis> twb:  the disks were just rebuilt into a new array
[03:03] <twb> aegis: oh, you're restoring from tape or something?
[03:03] <aegis> twb: from tar... basically...
[03:04] <twb> okey dokey
[03:04] <aegis> twb: so if I delete those rules, will they be recreated somehow?
[03:05] <aegis> twb: I did use mostly the same LV names...  I figured that would be the easiest thing to fix by editing /etc/fstab anyway...
[03:05] <twb> The persistent-net.rules file is generated by the persistent-net-generator.rules file in the same directory (or in /lib/udev/rules.d/ in newer versions)
[03:06] <aegis> twb: okay, the nic thing shouldn't be a problem though right?  it's going in the same box...  so the MAC for the NIC should be the same...
[03:06] <aegis> twb: do you agree?
[03:06] <twb> Yeah
[03:07] <aegis> what does the -u -k all switch do for update-initramfs?  errr, I'll just read the manpage. ;)
[03:08] <Dravekx> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available.
[03:08] <twb> Magic
[03:08] <Dravekx> LOL
[03:08] <aegis> oh, so that will affect all the kernals...
[03:08] <aegis> kernels rather
[03:08] <twb> -k all is basically because you're probably running a live CD so "uname -r" is the wrong mojo
[03:09] <twb> s/is/gives/
[03:09] <aegis> twb: but even if I'm chrooted?  uname-r should work for the chrooted system, right?  or will it go back to the host?
[03:09] <twb> Dravekx: you need to install the appropriate key
[03:10] <twb> Dravekx: for official archives, that's usually "apt-get install foo-archive-keyring" or so -- for PPAs and such, you'll need to use gpg(1) and apt-key(8).  Join #debian-bots and /msg dpkg apt-key XXXXXX, where XXXXXX is the key hash mentioned in the error.
[03:10] <aegis> uh oh...  my tar just gave me an "tar: exiting with failure due to previous errors"... :(
[03:10] <twb> aegis: chroot doesn't change the kernel
[03:10] <twb> aegis: and now you've just learned why tar is a bad archive format
[03:11] <aegis> twb: any idea how to figure out what errors ?
[03:11] <twb> Not offhand
[03:12] <aegis> no problem... thanks for your help though!  I'm closer to getting this fixed... if I can figure out what files had errors I might get there. :)
[03:15] <twb> Er, what tar said is "I stopped unpacking partway because I had a problem"
[03:15] <twb> (I think.)
[03:16] <twb> I'd be diffing the lslR you generated at archive time with the current one.
[03:16] <aegis> twb: roger that...  I'm just trying to find out what the problem might be...  if it is the fact that I created certain directories already prior to extracting, that's fine... but if it lost files, that's more serious...
[03:17] <aegis> twb: not exactly sure how to do that...  sounds like a good idea though.  They should be almost identical
[03:19] <twb> Well, it assumes you did an "ls -lR / >/lslR" or so before the problem occurred
[03:19] <twb> That is, because you made the tarball
[03:19] <twb> That is, BEFORE you made the tarball
[03:19] <aegis> well, it's a backuppc archive
[03:19] <twb> I'm not familiar with backuppc
[03:19] <aegis> I created a tar from that
[03:22] <twb> I guess you could try something like "diff -u <(find / -xdev -ls | sort) <(tar tvf /dev/rmt | sort)"
[03:22] <twb> Where / is the chroot dir and /dev/rmt is your tarball
[03:22] <twb> The trick will be to get the line format to match so diff doesn't have a whole lot of false positives
[03:30] <aegis> twb: I'm trying to just chroot into it now...  not working out so well... lol  Backuppc did give me this report when creating the tar:  bin$ /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_tarCreate -t -n -1 -h localhost -s '/' / > /mnt/data1/try/restore.tar
[03:30] <aegis> Done: 119909 files,<PHONE_NUMBER>3 bytes, 18531 dirs, 9994 specials, 0 errors
[03:44] <Dravekx> anyone have a tutorial on auto mounting a second drive on startup?
[03:46] <twb> Dravekx: put it in /etc/fstab
[03:48] <Dravekx> twb, do I need to add the UUID for that? or can I simply specify /dev/sdb ?
[03:49] <twb> Either will do
[03:49] <Dravekx> great.
[03:49] <twb> But note that drive names are increasingly allocated dynamically
[03:50] <Dravekx> so the UUID would be a better recommendation?
[03:51] <twb> If you can assume udev (which you can for Ubuntu), then UUID or LABEL is more future-proof than drive name
[03:53] <Dravekx> ok thx
[03:54] <knolls> i'm trying to find where my databases are stored in sql.  the only way i've ever been able to transfer them is through export feature in phpmyadmin.  is there a way i can manually recover them?
[03:58] <twb> knolls: mysql databases typically live in /var/lib/mysql
[03:59] <twb> Obviously you cannot simply copy the files while the database is active, because they're incoherent.
[04:00] <twb> Either stop the database before copying the files, or use the mysql-specific dump command.  #mysql or the Ubuntu Server Guide are probably good places to learn about that.
[04:04] <fluvvell> oh woes of 10.04 server.  Can anyone tell me what the virtual machine support is that is referenced in the install ?
[04:05] <twb> fluvvell: probably KVM
[04:06] <twb> Are you looking at the tasksel screen in d-i?
[04:07] <fluvvell> way past that twb, have a running system. So much is different to hardy.
[04:07] <fluvvell> I've botched the raid install, was trying to do it by hand
[04:07] <fluvvell> Might be better to start again.
[04:08] <aegis> Well, I think I may have figured out part of my problem...  I was trying to chroot from a 32 bit live cd into a 64 bit system...  I think that probably doesn't work so well.
[04:15] <fluvvell> Wait, my raid1 array has changed its name, its not /dev/md0 anymore, its... /dev/md_d0 ? and only has one element Whaaat ?  Is this normal behaviour?
[04:15] <twb> FSVO well = at all
[04:16] <twb> fluvvell: oh, that.  You're screwed.  I don't know how to stop that
[04:16] <twb> fluvvell: basically what's happening is that post-install, the two RAID1 partitions are recognized as a single RAID1 *disk* with two partitions *inside* the array
[04:16] <twb> I "solved" that problem by installing 8.04 instead
[04:20] <fluvvell> twb, :-S
[04:21] <fluvvell> twb, I've managed to --auto-detect and start the original array, but the second hard drive is the one thats showing up as the md_d0 and md_d1
[04:21] <fluvvell> doesnt mdadm have a way of knocking off an array ?
[04:26] <twb> I don't know, man
[04:27] <fluvvell> I guess I need to find the changelog of software raid.
[04:27] <fluvvell> Why do they screw around with stuff like this without telling us?????
[04:28] <twb> Because where Debian is run by a committee of conservative pedants, Ubuntu is run by a handful of Canonical employees
[04:30] <twb> So they Just Do Stuff, and sometimes it works great, and sometimes they go "oh, oops, that actually totally breaks one in eight machines.  Oh well, they aren't desktops"
[04:30] <twb> Not that I'm bitter...
[04:30] <fluvvell> no, not a bit lol.
[04:31] <twb> Having seen how well per's conservative startpar work WORKS on Squeeze, I'd put all of upstart into the latter bucket
[04:32] <fluvvell> err, ok.  I'm not really following debian squeeze, but there is times when ubuntu's pressing forward really bugs me too.   btw, I just tried the grml disk that someone recommended the other day, and .. well it left me less than satisfied.
[04:33] <fluvvell> particularly that I couldn't chroot into my system, it grizzled on about zsh stuff
[04:33] <twb> Well, grml is a fork of Debian
[04:33] <fluvvell> yeah, got that part.
[04:33] <twb> Try Debian Live,
[04:33] <twb> it's *not* a fork
[04:34] <fluvvell> yeah, well I'm either past that... 10.04 is booting (very quickly I might add) but just the raid stuff is a pig.
[04:34] <fluvvell> so I either reinstall, or
[04:34] <fluvvell> Oh I might as well.
[04:43] <fluvvell> great, the raid configuration utility in the cd is clearlyl screwed.
[04:49] <qman__> so, my file server locked up again last night, and even though I have auditd installed, there was nothing in /var/crash
[04:50] <qman__> am I right in assuming it pretty much guarantees hardware fault?
[04:54] <twb> I'm not familiar with auditd
[04:54] <twb> But obviously if you have e.g. a kernel panic, it will be hard for it to then write stuff via the filesystem
[04:55] <qman__> I don't think it's a kernel panic, but I don't know for sure, it just drops off the network with a blank screen and no keyboard response
[04:55] <qman__> any time I've had a kernel panic on screen the keyboard flashed too
[04:55] <qman__> but this one just halts, basically
[04:56] <qman__> one time it responded to sysrq commands to sync and reboot
[04:56] <qman__> this last time it didn't
[05:02] <reggi> hey everyone
[05:02] <reggi> anyone know anything about how to setup a PXE network boot server? If so do you know a 'how to' so I can learn how to do it myself?
[05:03] <demonspork> how do I keep iftop from figuring out that my local IP address is myserver.local without the -n option because I still want to see the reverse lookups on the remote hosts, I just need to distinguish between each IP address while looking at it, because now they are all lablled "servername.local"
[05:03] <twb> reggi: apt-get install di-netboot-assistant
[05:04] <demonspork> it used to do what I wanted, just showed my the local IP address that was making the connection but it randomly decided it wanted to start just telling me that useless "servername.local" crap
[05:04] <twb> demonspork: edit /etc/hosts or wherever your nsswitch.conf is configured to reverse-resolve those IPs
[05:05] <reggi> hey twb thanks for replying. i'll check it out - by the way, do you have experience with network booting?
[05:05] <demonspork> so I could put a name on them? could I name them after themselves? like " <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>"
[05:06] <twb> reggi: http://prisonpc.com <-- is me
[05:07] <twb> IOW I run some diskless netboot farms
[05:07] <twb> demonspork: er, no.  You'd remove the entry entirely
[05:07] <twb> demonspork: of course, that will almost certainly break OTHER things, that DO need to reverse-resolve your local IPs
[05:08] <reggi> twb - nice work man
[05:08] <qman__> you could just pipe the results through a sed for easier reading
[05:08] <twb> qman__: eh?
[05:09] <twb> Oh, ntop.  I think ntop is a curses application, not a stream.
[05:09] <qman__> oh, ok
[05:09] <twb> And I *think* his problem is that he has mapped all his addresses back to a single name, so he can't tell which is which
[05:09] <demonspork> so why would it have suddenly changed from just seeing the IP address to resolving to the servername.local
[05:09] <demonspork> twb, yeah, that is what is happening
[05:10] <twb> e.g. his ntop has both <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> mapping to wankfest.example.net
[05:10] <demonspork> I can't tell which is which
[05:10] <qman__> ah
[05:10] <demonspork> iftop actually
[05:10] <qman__> well, the solution would be to unmap them or map them to different names
[05:10] <demonspork> but why would it have changed?
[05:10] <twb> demonspork: you could also change the mapping such that the canonical name is something like <IP_ADDRESS>.wankfest.example.net
[05:10] <qman__> but you need to make sure that won't break anything
[05:11] <qman__> either your name resolution has changed, or that function was broken for some reason and an update fixed it
[05:11] <demonspork> even BandwidthD used to give " <IP_ADDRESS> - Configure Reverse DNS for this IP"
[05:11] <demonspork> but now it says "servername.local
[05:11] <demonspork> "
[05:12] <qman__> well, the solution is to modify your name resolution so that the different addresses have different names
[05:12] <demonspork> if I used the /etc/hosts file does the name being applied have to be a fully qualified domain name, or does it not matter
[05:12] <qman__> depends on what your applications want
[05:12] <qman__> apache needs an FQDN
[05:13] <reggi> hey twb are you free for a couple of minutes so I can pick your brain on something related to network booting?
[05:13] <demonspork> does a FQDN need to have a true reverse lookup set up on the IP, or can I just set it in the hosts file and leave the actually reverse DNS setup for later
[05:14] <twb> By convention, one would put in /etc/hosts "IP FQDN [ CNAME ... ]"
[05:14] <twb> demonspork: that depends on the application
[05:14] <twb> reggi: ask away
[05:14] <reggi> thanks twb
[05:15] <reggi> twb, i'm a computer technician, work from home. i do lots of virus repairs / windows reinstalls.
[05:16] <reggi> i would like to be able to network boot a computer and have the option (in a menu) to choose to install xp, vista etc over the network, or run diagnostics (UBCD).
[05:16] <reggi> my current setup is as follows...
[05:16] <reggi> 1 gateway which acts as the DHCP
[05:17] <reggi> 1 linux laptop (ubuntu desktop 10.04)
[05:17] <twb> I don't know about installing Windows or UBCD over the network, but otherwise, that's possible.
[05:17] <reggi> a couple of pc boxes.
[05:17] <reggi> ok twb, my question is this
[05:18] <reggi> is it possible to setup the network boot server on a virtualbox machine (on my linux)?
[05:18] <qman__> IME virtualbox's networking leaves something to be desired
[05:19] <twb> netbooting requires broadcast, so basically you need to be on the same network
[05:19] <reggi> or will it not work because the dhcp is already provided by the gateway
[05:19] <twb> That *probably* means that it will work with a vbox virtual server iff you're bridging, but NOT if you're routing or masquerading
[05:19] <qman__> for that reason among others I'd suggest breaking this section of your network off from the rest by a router
[05:19] <reggi> ya i always set the virtualbox network adapter to bridge mode
[05:20] <Dravekx> where is the setting to allow php after chrooting sftp?
[05:20] <reggi> i see
[05:20] <reggi> yeah that was suggested actually, to create a separate network for the purpose of network boot server
[05:20] <qman__> you could accomplish the same thing by putting two NICs in your netboot server
[05:21] <qman__> Dravekx, there is no such thing as a "setting to allow php"
[05:21] <reggi> oh yeah so  putting two nics = two seperate networks
[05:21] <qman__> you need to configure file permissions correctly
[05:22] <reggi> oh well looks like i'll have to set up a seperate network
[05:23] <reggi> although it would have been handy to stick on the existing network and use my Nas (freenas) for storing images
[05:23] <qman__> you can still route between the two
[05:23] <qman__> though I'd be careful about that, since you mentioned you're dealing with viruses
[05:23] <Dravekx> qman__, php is disabled in home directories after setting userdir.
[05:24] <reggi> i can? would that mean my existing network would be <IP_ADDRESS> and the PXE network could be <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:24] <qman__> reggi, yes
[05:25] <reggi> ahah
[05:25] <Dravekx> qman__, I found it. :)
[05:25] <qman__> you don't need NAT, just regular routing
[05:25] <qman__> and I suggest a firewall
[05:25] <reggi> hmm
[05:25] <qman__> you don't want your infected windows machines doing anything nasty
[05:26] <qman__> just basic internet access, plus access to your file store
[05:26] <reggi> maybe what I'll do is learn to setup this PXE in a separate network before joining networks.
[05:27] <qman__> have you already squared away the part about booting windows installs?
[05:27] <qman__> I've not seen that done and am somewhat interested
[05:28] <reggi> yeah I actually saw a youtube vid of someone who had setup a neat little network boot with menu
[05:28] <reggi> where you can choose which version of windows to install
[05:28] <reggi> so rather than putting the install CD in the drive (which takes a long time to complete the installation process)
[05:29] <reggi> you basically install over the network, so basically the relevant version of windows ISO is transferred to the computer as it is required.
[05:29] <reggi> lemme look for that youtube vid.
[05:30] <reggi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xi0xRVlxbk
[05:30] <qman__> thanks
[05:30] <reggi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUajpWii_c0
[05:34] <reggi> nah those vids arent it
[05:34] <reggi> it's missing the menu...lemme look for it
[05:42] <demonspork> lol, reading back, a few months ago I slapped together a virtual box and bound it to one of the ethernet ports on my laptop and installed Ubuntu via a PXE boot on a laptop with a bad CDROM that did not support USB booting
[05:44] <reggi> FOUND IT!
[05:44] <reggi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJZsDQtmQvg&feature=related
[05:44] <qman__> I know it's pretty easy to do with linux
[05:44] <qman__> but installing windows is trickier
[05:45] <reggi> unfortunately the creator of this utube vid does not provide a 'how to'
[05:46] <qman__> yeah, he shows it off, but doesn't actually say what software it is or how to set it up
[05:46] <reggi> wait a sec
[05:46] <qman__> oh, UDA
[05:46] <reggi> what are those two links in the description?
[05:46] <reggi> is that it?
[05:47] <reggi> that utilities menu
[05:47] <reggi> has links to installing different versions of windows, accessing acronis, and other utilities
[06:24] <echosystm> i need a bit of help
[06:25] <echosystm> im looking to consolidate all my network gear into one low power computer running xen or kvm
[06:26] <echosystm> i'd like to know if it is possible to dedicate a NIC to a xen or KVM instance, without the "host" being accessible on that interface
[06:26] <echosystm> i know in vbox/vmware you can do things like NAT or bridged, but the host OS is visible on that NIC
[06:26] <twb> echosystm: AFAIK it is
[06:26] <echosystm> i want the host to be invisible to the outside world
[06:26] <twb> Don't assign an IP to the host OS on that iface
[06:26] <echosystm> it should look like a collection ofphysical devices, not one
[06:27] <echosystm> rightyo
[06:27] <twb> Note that's just SPECULATION
[06:27] <echosystm> ok
[06:27] <twb> I plan to do that, but I haven't actually tried it yet
[06:27] <echosystm> anyone with xen/kvm experience able to confirm?
[06:28] <twb> It will also matter if you're running libvirt, since that gets its greedy fingers into the network configuration
[06:28] <echosystm> howso?
[06:28] <twb> Because obviously if you're doing it via libvirt you're stuck with whatever libvirt can do
[06:29] <twb> Whereas if you set it up by hand, you aren't
[06:29] <echosystm> ah yeah
[06:29] <echosystm> what happens at the moment is this...
[06:30] <echosystm> (wireless adsl modem)--wireless--(my access point)--(switch)--(my computers)
[06:30] <echosystm> because i share a unit with other people
[06:31] <echosystm> i need to create a DMZ, because im setting up a few servers here... so it would look like
[06:32] <echosystm> (modem)--wireless--(AP)--(unsecure stuff / router)--(safe stuff hanging off router)
[06:32] <echosystm> theres going to be cables going everywhere
[06:32] <echosystm> so... what i want to know is if it is possible to just go like this...
[06:33] <echosystm> (modem)--wireless--(xen/kvm server)--(safe stuff)
[06:33] <echosystm> does that make any sense at all?
[06:34] <echosystm> my AP/router/servers/whatevers will all go in that xen or kvm box
[06:43] <qman__> I have done that before
[06:43] <qman__> with vmware server 1.x
[06:43] <qman__> simply don't assign the host an IP
[06:43] <qman__> effectively completely inaccessible
[06:44] <qman__> you would, however, still have to worry about kernel bugs and exploits for the host OS
[06:44] <twb> And ARP
[06:44] <echosystm> ARP?
[06:44] <_Techie_> any good tutorials for setting up cups for an HP laserjet 2100m or similar ( lpt port ) ?
[06:44] <twb> MAC <--> IP resolution
[06:44] <twb> In IPv4, ARP is used for that and it happens below the IP layer
[06:45] <echosystm> doesnt it somehow magically handle that too?
[06:45] <echosystm> oh wait
[06:45] <echosystm> nevermind
[06:45] <echosystm> sorry
[06:45] <qman__> the host kernel would still be vulnerable to ARP poisoning attacks
[06:45] <echosystm> yep
[06:45] <twb> echosystm: it only matters if you have a rogue ARP poisoner on the local network
[06:45] <echosystm> what is the worst that can happen from an ARP poison though?
[06:46] <twb> echosystm: MITM attacks on your online banking
[06:46] <echosystm> oh.
[06:46] <echosystm> do not want
[06:46] <qman__> anything from complete network outage to MITM snooping whatever they wish
[06:47] <echosystm> is that any more or less likely with xen/kvm though?
[06:47] <twb> Of course, if your bank actually a fucking clue how to do security, and your users had a clue about not just clicking through SSL errors, you probably wouldn't be vulnerable
[06:47] <qman__> it's got nothing to do with them
[06:47] <twb> You *can* turn off ARP and hard-code MAC resolution, of course.
[06:47] <qman__> static ARP is the workaround, if you have to worry about that sort of thing
[06:48] <echosystm> i see
[06:48] <qman__> an attacker needs to be on the same switched network as you to do it
[06:48] <twb> Or switch to IPv6 only, which replaces ARP with IPsec-secured ICMPv6
[06:48] <echosystm> i think ipv6 would be a source of brain hurt, so i might give that a miss :P
[06:49] <twb> Sorry, I forgot the ";-)"
[06:50] <echosystm> so just to clarify, i would definitely be no more or less secure from ARP attacks than if i wasnt virtualizing everything?
[06:50] <echosystm> im a bit confused
[06:51] <qman__> yes
[06:52] <echosystm> excellent
[06:53] <echosystm> thanks :)
[07:46] <alex88> can someone nmap my ip? i'm trying a firewall
[07:47] <twb> echosystm: ARP poisoning is pretty bottom-of-the-barrel as far as attacks go
[07:47] <twb> Especially since you'll probably be running PHPMyAdmin and wordpress and other random, totally insecure, services
[07:48] <alex88> phpmyadmin and wordpress are totally insecure?
[07:48] <twb> Well, they sure get lot of CVEs
[07:49] <twb> And obviously anything that allows arbitrary users on the internet access to your database using single-factor authentication is bound to be Bad News
[07:49] <alex88> well, for plugins..not itself..
[07:49] <alex88> registering is disabled in wp
[07:51] <twb> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=wordpress
[07:53] <alex88> seen..none about version 3.0
[07:53] <alex88> is syslog replacing klogd
[07:54] <alex88> ?
[07:56] <alex88> mmhh..when starting /etc/init.d/klogd it remains in "* Starting kernel log daemon.."...any clue?
[07:56] <alex88> i need it to log firewall rules
[07:59] <twb> Erm, historically syslogd and klogd were separate daemons provided by the same sysklogd package.
[07:59] <twb> As at 10.04, rsyslogd (I believe) performs both actions
[08:00] <alex88> i've 10.04 server..csf firewall tell me "syslogd appears to be running, but not klogd which logs kernel firewall messages to syslog. You should ensure that klogd is running"
[08:00] <alex88> cause i have problem tracking port scan..that's why i've asked someone to portscan me
[08:00] <twb> If rsyslogd isn't installed then somebody fucked with the defaults
[08:00] <twb> It could be that your "csf firewall" is reporting a false positive
[08:01] <alex88> syslogd is running..
[08:01] <twb> rsyslogd, not syslogd
[08:02] <alex88> dunno what to do..
[08:02] <twb> Complain to your VPS vendor that they've messed with the Ubuntu defaults?
[08:03] <alex88> and what should i say?
[08:03] <twb> That the 10.04 default syslogd is rsyslogd, but it appears you've got sysklogd, and its klogd component isn't running
[08:03] <twb> At least, that's the evidence you've reported to me -- you may be misinterpreting it.
[08:04] <corpsegrindr> Hi, When ever i transfer a file to or from my media server i seem to lose my network connection after a few seconds. Any ideas as to what might cause this?
[08:17] <tydeas> I have an "issue" I always have more than 1 apache processes running in my server
[08:17] <tydeas> http://pastebin.com/R3Mss13y
[08:17] <tydeas> it this an issue?
[08:22] <alex88> tydeas: no it's not
[08:26] <tydeas> alex88: why this happen?
[08:27] <alex88> cause apache uses more server executables to process more requests..
[08:27] <alex88> you can change that value in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[09:27] <ttx> Daviey: around ?
[09:46] <kinygos> hi, i'm running ubuntu 9.04 and grub 0.97, and attempting to configure grub to boot from my raid partition.  i have grub installed on the disk, but in menu.lst, i need to specify the uuid for the /boot and / partitions.  i need these to be md partitions, but they're not loaded/mounted at boot time so grub cannot find them.  is it enough to put raid1 in /etc/modules?  or does this mean it's loaded after the kerne
[09:47] <Zeu5> hi i bought domains in name.com and i am a new bie. am using an ubuntu server. what do i do so that my domain refers to /var/www/app/trunk folder?
[09:51] <Zeu5> anyone here?
[10:08] <alex88> Zeu5: you need to add virtualhosts in apache
[10:08] <kinygos> Zeu5: i'm a newb too...but what do you mean "so that my domain refers to /var/www/app/trunk"?  do you want to serve web pages?
[10:26] <alex88> where iptables log goes?
[10:27] <alex88> i've some iptables rules like "17     216 12888 LOG        tcp  --  *      *       <IP_ADDRESS>/0            <IP_ADDRESS>/0           limit: avg 30/min burst 5 LOG flags 0 level 4 prefix `Firewall: *TCP_IN Blocked* '
[10:27] <alex88> i can see those in dmesg, but neither in any file in /var/log
[10:29] <_Techie_> what can i use to proxy non SSL IMAP connections, to a server that only allows connections with SSL?
[10:30] <alex88> proxy to?
[10:36] <_Techie_> yes
[10:37] <_Techie_> proxy from a non ssl capable mail client, to a mail server that only supports connections with ssl
[10:38] <alex88> if it only ssl you can't use non ssl clients
[10:39] <_Techie_> alex88, theres a reason why im after a way to proxy the connection
[10:40] <alex88> well, so you're asking for a proxy that encrypts to ssl and then connects to server?
[10:40] <_Techie_> yes
[10:40] <Daviey> ttx: Yes.. sorry - irc didn't hilight me - oddly :/
[10:41] <TheInfinity> Hi everyone ... I have a really strange samba problem ... I have a smb domain @ lucid with printers via cups. Accessing cups without samba works, adding printer drivers too, connecting and adding to windows too, but printing itsself does not work
[10:41] <TheInfinity>  rpc_server/srv_spoolss_nt.c:8386(_spoolss_AddForm)
[10:41] <TheInfinity>   _spoolss_Addform: denied by insufficient permissions.
[10:42] <TheInfinity> i get this error which cant be found via google which is the strange part of it
[10:42] <TheInfinity> (using log level >= 2)
[10:43] <TheInfinity> anyone has a suggestion where to search? samba does not give any hint which permission might be the problem, just this error. which makes me a little helpless.
[10:47] <alex88> with cat /proc/kmsg i can see the iptables log, how can i transfer to syslog?
[10:51] <nimrod10> is any of you using collectd for server statistics ? I am interested to know which tool you're using to graph the rrd files that collectd gathers.
[11:05] <henninge> I have a small 10.4.1 server running here and I installed the latest updates on Saturday which included a kernel update (I guess it must have been 2.6.32-24.43).
[11:07] <henninge> Now the system will not boot because /dev/mapper/severname-root does not exist.
[11:08] <henninge> I assume this must be an error in the initrd but I don't really know how to fix that.
[11:08] <alex88> tried to bood from old kernel?
[11:08] <henninge> Also, I don't see a grub prompt before that. How do I get into the grub menu to anyting?
[11:08] <henninge> alex88: ^ ;)
[11:09] <henninge> I don't get a chance to pick a kernel.
[11:12] <kinygos> henninge: press Esc to get into grub menu at boot time...by default, you get 3 seconds...
[11:12] <kinygos> henninge: you can get to the prompt from there
[11:12] <henninge> kinygos: let me try that. I admit, I am a bit rusty on grub usage ...
[11:12]  * RoyK is impressed - Ubuntu on Hyper-V is _fast_
[11:13] <alex88> btw i'm trying to catch iptables logs, they're shown fine in /proc/kmsg but i need they go into syslog, in /etc/syslog.conf i've added line kern.warn -/var/log/syslog, but there are no logs in there, /var/log/kern.log shows "No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled"
[11:22] <henninge> kinygos: no luck :( I can press (hold, repeat) ESC for as much as I like, I don't get any output (just a blinking cursor) until it says "Gave up waiting for root device".
[11:23] <henninge> Can I not reach the grub config from the shell that it drops me to?
[11:25] <kinygos> henninge: admitedly i'm using grub legacy (v0.97) but during boot it shows "starting grub" with a countdown to launch the menu during which you hit Esc
[11:25] <kinygos> *admittedly
[11:29] <henninge> kinygos: yes, that's what I remember, too. But I am not seeing any of that.
[11:29] <_chris_> heja guys
[11:29] <_chris_> kinda have problems mounting an usb stick
[11:29] <henninge> kinygos: this is a new install of 10.4.1
[11:29] <_chris_> i plug it in, messages log says "scsi7" but cant find sca or something in /dev
[11:30] <kinygos> henninge: from that prompt you're at, you should be able to cd /boot/grub, but i'm not sure if you have access to any text editors there
[11:31] <kinygos> henninge: perhaps you can load vi and then edit the configs...or do something more ingenious with grep
[11:31] <henninge> kinygos: no boot dir ?:(
[11:31] <alex88> what's the difference between syslogd and syslog-ng?
[11:31] <kinygos> ouch...not mounted
[11:32] <\sh> alex88: different syslog implementations...
[11:33] <alex88> \sh: because i have problems with klogd and sysklogd because i can't see warn kernel logs that are in /proc/kmsg in /var/log/kern.log. can it be a solution?
[11:34] <\sh> alex88: which release of ubuntu? we switched during lucid times I think to rsyslog as default syslog app
[11:35] <alex88> \sh: 10.04, init.d has /etc/init.d/sysklogd, and i can't start klogd because i'm on vps and it's unable to use on openvz..
[11:35] <alex88> i'll try with that..thank you..brb going to eat now
[11:36] <ircleuser> Hi! I
[11:36] <Guest81533> just out of curiosity if i'm installing ubuntu-server to a drive why would it put grub on a seperate drive?
[11:37] <magnuso> Hi! I was wondering if someone could provide some help with installing Grub?
[11:41] <_chris_> anyone can help me ? i cant mount an usb stick, i plug it in and /var/log/messages it is on device scsi7 , but it seems to not appear in /dev
[11:43] <henninge> _chris_: is the device really "scsi7"?
[11:43] <_chris_> thats what comes up in messages when plugging it in
[11:44] <henninge> _chris_: is there no message about "sda" or "sdb" etc. ?
[11:44] <_chris_> no , its only "scsi7 : usb-storage"
[11:45] <_chris_> well, actually it is scsi9 now cause i unplugged it 2 times
[11:45]  * henninge tries on maverick desktop
[11:46] <_chris_> ah sorry, need to mention this is not ubuntu related, im on an esx server
[11:46] <henninge> ...
[11:46] <henninge> yes, I guess that is important.
[11:47] <henninge> _chris_: here is what I get when I plug in an usb stick. http://paste.ubuntu.com/505654/
[11:47] <henninge> so, it is scsi12, but the device is /dev/sdb
[11:48] <_chris_> ok
[11:48] <_chris_> yea
[11:48] <henninge> _chris_: I guess the process that does that mapping is missing on your machine?
[11:48] <_chris_> the only message that comes up here is line2 from your pastebin
[11:49] <_chris_> what would that be then ? udev ?
[11:53] <_ruben> _chris_: esx has very limited usb support, and you're better off asking in #vmware anyway
[11:54] <_chris_> _ruben, ah ok didnt know there was channel, ill have a try there
[11:54] <_chris_> thx anyway :)
[12:18] <alex88> \sh: using syslog-ng worked perfectely
[12:18] <alex88> *perfectly
[12:24] <Guest81533> i just did a fresh install on a brand new drive.. made sure that it was the only drive in the machine to avoid accidently overwritting important data... let the installer do the guided install using full disk... everything installed without errors... just reboot for first boot... got Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unwn-block(0,0)... please help i have to have this fileserver up and running for my
[12:24] <Guest81533> users ASAP... work day is starting ... ahhhhh hard drive crashes are such a pain... first drive to ever fail on me!
[12:34] <\sh> alex88: well..syslog-ng is not multi-core compatible (at least the last time I used it) since a couple of months/ 1 1/2 years, we are using rsyslog now here @office
[12:35] <\sh> alex88: and it could be that the syslogd fragment is still on your system, and wasn't cleaned up somehow
[12:35] <binBASH> moin \sh
[12:35] <\sh> hey binBASH
[12:36] <alex88> \sh: if there are some syslogd fragment they're not used.. i've checked some files and they're working fine.. just the kernel thing that now works..
[12:37] <alex88> i mean files in /var/log
[13:27] <kinygos> i'm trying to get my remote server to boot from a raid drive. i've installed grub on the underlying disk and i can boot from it if i point at the root partition of the non-raid disk...i'm trying to get the raid partition mounted in time for grub.  i've added raid1 and md to /etc/modules, but this isn't enough...
[13:28] <kinygos> i've read that i need to update my ram disk using update-initramfs -u.  my question is, should i do this when i'm chroot'd to the mounted raid partition?
[13:36] <kinygos> different question, md_mod doesn't appear to be loaded, but modprobe md won't load it...is ubuntu different?  using 9.04
[13:36] <kinygos> i don't have any trouble running mdadm though
[13:50] <tomsdale___> in courier, can I delete all contents e.G. in the folder .Trash ? I'm running out of space.
[13:51] <tomsdale___> Thunderbird doesn't seem to really delete anything if I delete something via IMAP
[13:55] <kinygos> RoyK: i've finally done it...all remotely :)
[13:56] <kinygos> RoyK: i just need to configure notifications, then test failing the drives, but the partitions are synchronising now
[13:58] <reisi> i have a device that is correctly detected when i plug it in, but could there be a way i could symlink it or change the /dev filename before any /dev file is created for it?
[13:59] <_ruben> reisi: have a look at the udev documentation
[13:59] <reisi> _ruben: thanks
[13:59] <reisi> _ruben: though, i though udev was superceded in latest ubuntus? i guess i was wrong
[14:00] <zul> ttx: i fixed that rabbitmq-server bug
[14:00] <_ruben> reisi: not that i know of
[14:00] <_ruben> (which doesnt mean all that much)
[14:05] <reisi> oki
[14:05] <zul> ttx: ping
[14:09] <ttx> zul: pong
[14:09] <zul> ttx: can you check out the /etc/network/if-up.d/samba for me the last chunk of it is wrong
[14:12]  * ttx looks
[14:14] <ttx> zul: wrong as in... doesn't apply to upstartified scripts ?
[14:14] <zul> ttx: yeah
[14:17] <ttx> zul: you want me to do waht exactly ?
[14:17] <zul> ttx: make sure im not crazy? :)
[14:17] <ttx> zul: it looks good, but I haven't tested it would fail ;)
[14:17] <ttx> erh
[14:17] <ttx> it looks bad, I mean
[14:18] <zul> heh
[14:18] <zul> ttx: so if im reading that correctly we should only restart nmbd?
[14:20] <ttx> zul: apparently yes. "Try to bring nmbd up when an interface comes up, if smbd is already running."
[14:20] <zul> ttx: k...ill write something then
[14:21] <ttx> zul: I'd SRU that
[14:21] <zul> ttx: agreed
[14:23] <RoyK> kinygos: congrats :)
[14:23] <kinygos> RoyK: thanks for all your help last week :)
[14:23] <kinygos> i should really write the procedure up somewhere
[14:24] <RoyK> please do
[14:24] <RoyK> I guess more ppl might need that
[14:24] <kinygos> where would be a good place?
[14:26] <RoyK> kinygos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[14:28] <kinygos> RoyK: awesome...i'll make a start :)
[14:32] <zul> ttx: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/505738/
[14:47] <ttx> zul: looks good, untested though
[14:47]  * ttx is deep into that axis2c build failure
[14:47] <zul> ttx: i just tested it restarted nmbd according to the the log files
[14:53] <zul> ttx: im surprised no one filed a bug about it
[14:57] <zul> ttx: uploaded
[14:57] <ttx> zul: did you file a bug about it ?
[14:57] <zul> ttx: no should i?
[14:58] <ttx> zul: if you want it to pass the release team, more than probably
[14:58] <zul> ttx: k
[15:02] <ttx> sigh
[15:13] <elb0w> Has anyone been able to get Adobe AIR to run on 64bit 10.04?
[15:14] <_ruben> iirc AIR is rather GUI'ish, so not likely to run on a server
[15:24] <pmatulis> apparently the last lucid kernel update is missing lvm2 in the initrd.  can anyone confirm that?
[15:27] <hggdh> Daviey: good morning. bug 585108 should be fixed by 2.0-bzr1241-0ubuntu4, correct?
[15:35] <ttx> Daviey, zul, SpamapS: I need someone to look deeper into bug 600174
[15:36]  * ttx tries to reproduce bug 654549
[15:40] <zul> ttx: ill take a crack at it
[15:42] <ssureshot> I have an nfs file share defined in fstab,,, when the server boots the nfs share doens't get mounted due to the fact the network isnt' up yet.. anyone aware of a workaround other than putting mount -a in /etc/rc.local?
[15:45] <qman__> well, you could put mount -a in /etc/interfaces/if-up.d/, but it's an equally dirty workaround
[15:46] <qman__> err
[15:46] <qman__>  /etc/network/if-up.d/
[15:46] <ssureshot> right on, I was hoping there was a proper hack lol
[16:26] <hggdh> zul: there?
[16:27] <zul> hggdh: ye
[16:28] <hggdh> zul: about bug 654249 -- should we send it over to the desktop team?
[16:28] <zul> hggdh: yes i think so
[16:28] <hggdh> zul: thanks, will do
[16:31] <zul> ttx: i think there is still a nis upstart issue that we havent looked at yet
[16:32] <zul> ttx: i was going to do it this afternoon
[16:32] <ttx> zul: ok, file bug if there isn't any, and point me to it
[16:32] <zul> ttx: ack
[16:47] <zul> ttx: i was able to reproduce it
[16:47] <elb0w> um if I change my group and im a sudoer do I lose sudo access?
[16:47] <zul> ttx: it happens when there is no network
[16:47] <ttx> hm
[16:48] <zul> but i need to eat so bbiab
[16:56] <shauno> elb0w: out of the box, you shouldn't; the default entry is a named user.  do take a look at your /etc/sudoers first tho
[16:57] <elb0w> I lost sudo
[16:57] <elb0w> on the one user that had it
[16:57] <elb0w> when I did a usermod -G and -g
[17:03] <smoser> could i get someone to sponsor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/649591 for me please ?
[17:45] <kinygos> why on earth does the server build from my isp have openoffice installed? lol...epic failage
[17:47] <knolls> if i have ubuntu-server installed and serving, can i apt-get install ubuntu-desktop without affecting the configuration i have currently, and obtain gnome?
[17:49] <Datz> knolls: afaik, yes.
[17:49] <knolls> Datz: thanks.
[17:50] <Datz> sure, haven't personally tried it myself.. but in theory..
[17:51] <qman__> beware of networkmanager messing up your network configuration
[17:51] <qman__> otherwise you should be fine
[17:52] <RoyK> kinygos: heh - your ISP doesn't seem like one I'd use :þ
[17:53] <qman__> yeah, still using a hacked up version of jaunty
[17:53] <kinygos> RoyK: indeed...but it's just a burden on me to do more sysadmin kinda stuff, which is good cos i learn :)
[17:54] <RoyK> kinygos: which version are you running now?
[17:54] <qman__> if they're not going to update with each cycle, they should at least stick to LTS versions
[17:54] <kinygos> RoyK: 9.04 at the moment, but i'm removing stuff i don't need like openoffice, mysql, php before upgrading to 10.04LTS (i know 9.10 first)
[17:55] <RoyK> k
[17:55] <kinygos> qman__: i know...it's insane...but they're cheap
[17:55] <qman__> I'm still running 9.10 on my desktop, because it's just the way I want it and it works great
[17:55] <qman__> I know most people had tons of problems with 9.10 but I didn't
[17:56] <RoyK> kinygos: remember to set prompt=lts in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades when you're at 10.04
[17:56] <qman__> however, I did have tons of problems with 10.04 on my other machines
[17:56] <RoyK> qman__: what sort of problems?
[17:56] <kinygos> RoyK: to stop it picking up updates automatically?
[17:56] <qman__> failed upgrades, requiring lots of manual fixes
[17:56] <RoyK> kinygos: to stay at LTS until a new LTS is released, even if someone runs do-release-upgrade
[17:57] <RoyK> the only problems I've seen so far are some initial grub issues and g77 missing
[17:57] <kinygos> RoyK: thanks :)
[17:57] <qman__> it broke my torrentflux, grub, my ability to see fsck on boot, on one system it broke my framebuffer
[17:58] <qman__> I got it mostly straightened out but it was a huge hassle
[17:58] <RoyK> well, works for me (tm)
[17:58] <RoyK> I only have 10-15 10.04 installs yet, but then...
[17:58] <qman__> but I upgraded my desktop to 9.10 in RC, and it went without a hitch
[17:58] <qman__> and has ran beautifully since
[17:58] <qman__> so I'm not touching it until 9.10 support drips
[17:58] <qman__> drops
[18:00]  * RoyK suspects kinygos will make a decent sysadmin some day if he keeps on working with ubuntu :)
[18:01]  * kinygos loves working with ubuntu :)
[18:01] <qman__> agreed
[18:01] <qman__> I have complaints but they're petty compared to the problems I used to get
[18:02] <kinygos> well, i haven't done much yet, but what i have done, once i've figured out how to do it, it's made perfect sense :)
[18:03] <mdlueck> I am having a hard time finding the Ubuntu package name for a Perl CPAN module I like using. It is called Devel::Trace. Am I just not searching for the correct keywords?
[18:04] <SpamapS> kinygos: did you get your raid done?
[18:04] <mdlueck> I found the Ubuntu package for Perl CPAN Debug::Trace but that is not what I need
[18:04] <kinygos> SpamapS: yep :)  am a very happy chap atm
[18:05] <SpamapS> kinygos: how many months until you can ditch your crappy provider? ;)
[18:05] <kinygos> SpamapS: thanks for your help too btw :)
[18:05] <SpamapS> kinygos: its a pleasure.. glad you were able to work around their weirdness :-D
[18:05] <kinygos> SpamapS: well, if the business is successful then i'll be able to change easily...but whilst there's no revenue from the app, i have to work with a tight budget
[18:08] <Guest81533> well... i got everything setup on my machine and samba and all was running great... modified fstab to automount the two drives i needed mounted... then reboot and i get /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /fileserver (mount point) busy.. according to mtab /dev/sdb1 is mounted on / ... what might be the problem?
[18:08]  * RoyK has just moved some VMs to Hyper-V and the speed is _great_ - those MS drivers for Linux guests really work well - I'm impressed!
[18:09] <qman__> Guest81533, sdb1 is not the correct drive (though it may have been before)
[18:10] <qman__> use fdisk -l to find the right one
[18:10] <qman__> ubuntu uses UUIDs by default because of this problem, sometimes disks detect in a different order after an update or configuration change
[18:10] <Guest81533> qman__, , how could it have changed since i reboot? the drive that has the OS on it is specified by UUID
[18:11] <Guest81533> qman__, i was going to specify the other two drives that are data drives by UUID but one of them is a removable drive that will be swaped every week to take off site
[18:11] <qman__> the UUID should stay the same
[18:11] <qman__> that's why UUIDs are useful
[18:12] <qman__> unless you format the drive, it should stay the asme
[18:12] <qman__> same*
[18:12] <Guest81533> qman__, oddly enough i just put in a liveCD to check my fstab and it boot just fine
[18:12] <qman__> like I said, the sd?? naming is relative and changes depending on your environment and configuration
[18:12] <qman__> and is therefore unreliable
[18:12] <Guest81533> qman__, so if i have two drives that i swap out everyother week they are going to have the same UUID and can be put in the fstab that way?
[18:13] <qman__> no, they won't
[18:13] <qman__> they will have different ones
[18:13] <qman__> but they also won't always have the same sd??
[18:13] <Guest81533> qman__, ok i'll boot to the liveCD and use UUIDs, just concerned as to how i'm to automount the two drives to the same mount point depending on which is installed at a given time... won't it fail? or will it just mount whichever is there?
[18:14] <qman__> that, you'd have to test
[18:14] <mdlueck> What type of drives are being plugged in, USB?
[18:14] <qman__> the only reliable way I can think to achieve that is to not use automount, but to instead use a script
[18:14] <qman__> that knows of the two different UUIDs
[18:16] <Guest81533> qman__, well it is to be used as a backup... i was planning on using rsync and cron... i guess i could use a script to mount before executing the rsync
[18:16] <mdlueck> If you are speaking of USB drives, I am thinking to use usbmount to achieve a consistent mount point for my USB backup drives.
[18:17] <Guest81533> mdlueck, its an enclosure that has 3.5" drive in it... I have two that I can alternate which enclose pops in
[18:17] <mdlueck> Aaahh, some sort of hot swap container then?
[18:18] <Guest81533> mdlueck, similar, but unfortunatly not hot swapable
[18:19] <mdlueck> OK, then the usbmount package obviously would not help in your situation.
[18:19] <Guest81533> so a bash script executed by cron (still need to review how to set that up to schedule the backup) to mount the drive then execute the rsync should be sufficient? or would you suggest perl?
[18:22] <qman__> whichever you're more comfortable with
[18:22] <qman__> basically you just need the script to look up attached UUIDs, match against the two you use, and mount that drive
[18:23] <Guest81533> qman__, shouldn't be that hard... lexicographical scripting is that hard
[18:23] <Guest81533> isn't i mean
[18:26] <Guest81533> still annoyed that grub never was installed... can't afford to mess wtih it right now, cuz i need my users to be able to work
[18:26] <Guest81533> it'd always been installed automatically in the past
[18:27] <qman__> it still is
[18:27] <qman__> unless your issue is hardware specific, I'd be wary to use that install
[18:28] <Guest81533> qman__, i put in a new drive and installed directly from the same disk as i had on the old drive.. i had the disk check for errors on it and didn't find any
[18:29] <Guest81533> qman__, can labels be used in the fstab or just /dev/sd?? and UUID?
[18:29] <qman__> did you change the boot order post install?
[18:29] <Guest81533> qman__, nope
[18:30] <qman__> I don't think you can, because they're not necessarily unique, but I don't know for sure
[18:30] <Guest81533> qman__, i thought i had a problem first time i installed because it wouldn't boot, but it turned out to be an option that was turned off the the BIOS... damn previous employee was notorious for turning BIOS options off
[18:31] <Guest81533> qman__, they may not be necessarily unike but i could then lable the two drives to be swaped back and forth the same and avoid the differnt uuid issue... maybe not worth the effort... it'd be good practice to write a script
[18:31] <qman__> according to this, you can  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[18:32] <qman__> #Data partition
[18:32] <qman__> LABEL=data /mnt/usr_data ext3 auto,users,rw,relatime 0 0
[18:32] <jeiworth> hi guys, anyone here has a local ntp server up and running? i am trying to get it to run with ntpd and following some how-tos but it doesn't seem to work :( if i do an nmap on the server it shows me port 123 as closed although ntpd is up and running and configured (well, at least that's what i thought) to provide ntp service to the local network
[18:33] <Guest81533> qman__, nice... i'lll try the label meathod...
[18:33] <qman__> jeiworth, I do run local NTP, but I set it up a long time ago, I can share my config if you like
[18:34] <jeiworth> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/505857/ <-- current config
[18:34] <jeiworth> qman__: would be greatly appreceated, thanks :)
[18:36] <qman__> I'm only noticing two differences
[18:36] <qman__> I have
[18:36] <qman__> restrict -4 default kod notrap nomodify nopeer noquery
[18:36] <qman__> at line 30
[18:36] <qman__> and I have line 39 commented out
[18:36] <jeiworth> ok, let's see...
[18:37] <qman__> oh, 44 is commented out too
[18:37] <jeiworth> another question, are you using ntpdate on the c,lients or the ntpd as well?
[18:37] <qman__> 'broadcast' is apparently a deprecated method
[18:37] <qman__> ntpdate-debian
[18:37] <qman__> clients should not need to run ntpd
[18:38] <RoyK> it doesn't hurt, though
[18:39] <RoyK> good if you want log file timestamps in sync
 clients should not need to run ntpd <-- exactly, they should just query the server and set the time once a day
[18:40] <jeiworth> $ sudo ntpdate <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:40] <jeiworth>  4 Oct 12:40:36 ntpdate[12821]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
[18:40] <jeiworth> hmm
[18:40] <qman__> yes
[18:40] <qman__> use ntpdate-debian
[18:41] <qman__> ntpdate will not work
[18:41] <jeiworth> ok
[18:42] <jeiworth> qman__: not in the repo :(
[18:42] <qman__> it's in the default install
[18:42] <qman__> sudo ntpdate-debian
[18:44] <qman__> in lucid, configure the time server for non-ntpd clients in /etc/default/ntpdate
[18:44] <jeiworth> qman__: aaaaaah
[18:45] <qman__> in older versions, modify the cron script in /etc/cron.daily
[18:46] <jeiworth> qman__: ok, with ntpdate-debian it worked, also thanks for the hint with /etc/default/ntpdate! :D
[18:47] <Guest81533> qman__, thanks for your help...
[18:51] <krebain> whoops...  >.>  I typed it in to tell you.
[18:58] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping?
[18:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong
[18:58] <Bill_> hello?
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: have you experienced this before: sudo virt-install --connect qemu:///system -n hardy -r 512 -f hardy.qcow2 -s 12 -c hardy-server-amd64.iso --vnc --noautoconsole --os-type linux --os-variant ubuntuHardy --accelerate --network=network:default
[18:59] <zul> Daviey: PING
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> plop
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i mean this: libvirtError: internal error process exited while connecting to monitor: char device redirected to /dev/pts/3
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> qemu: could not open disk image /home/roaksoax/.cache/testdrive/iso/ubuntu_maverick-server-i386.iso: Permission denied
[19:00] <zul> Daviey SpamapS: when you get a chance can you look at #600174 please
[19:00] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sorry -- no.  apparmor maybe?
[19:00] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: is your home encrypted, and not mounted?
[19:00] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: don't know....
[19:00]  * kirkland away from keyboard ~15-20 minutes
[19:01] <jdstrand> more likely libvirt-wemu:kvm doesn't have DAC read access
[19:01] <Daviey> bug #600174
[19:02] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: none of that, was working fine yest, today it is not after some package upgrades
[19:02] <RoAkSoAx> jdstrand: how can I fix it :)?
[19:03] <zul> Daviey: i was able to reproduce it in my ppa as well
[19:03] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: try 'sudo -u libvirt-qemu -g ls -l /home/roaksoax/.cache/testdrive/iso/ubuntu_maverick-server-i386.iso'
[19:03] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: err
[19:03] <jdstrand> sudo -u libvirt-qemu -g kvm ls -l /home/roaksoax/.cache/testdrive/iso/ubuntu_maverick-server-i386.iso
[19:04] <Daviey> zul: AIUI it's just FATFS on amd64?
[19:04] <Daviey> err, i386
[19:04] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: sigh
[19:04] <zul> Daviey: i386
[19:04] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: that won't work either
[19:04] <RoAkSoAx> jdstrand: nope :)
[19:04] <Daviey> zul: and armel :/
[19:04] <Daviey> zul: I'll poke i386
[19:04] <zul> Daviey: meh
[19:04] <zul> Daviey: drop it ;)
[19:05] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: you just need to make sure that that user can access that file. so, if any of the directories or chmod 0700, then that is a no go
[19:05] <Daviey> zul: I don't know how much we *need* it.... perhaps we should drop it and it's rdepends.
[19:05] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: my ~/.cache directory is 0700, so I wouldn't expect testdrive to work there
[19:06] <zul> Daviey: good idea :)
[19:06] <zul> of course its not my head that will roll
[19:06] <RoAkSoAx> jdstrand: jdstrand I can access that file. I can even launch a VM using TestDrive, but when I try to do it with virt-install or virt-manager It just through that error
[19:06] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: also, if you use encrypted home, you will have an 0700 $HOME
[19:06] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: oh right, testdrive is kvm only
[19:06] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: libvirt runs VMs as libvirt-qemu:kvm. that is the user that needs access to the file
[19:07] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: if you don't want to change permissions, you can adjust /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf to run as root:root
[19:08] <RoAkSoAx> jdstrand: the iso permission are being changed: -rw-rw-r-- 1 libvirt-qemu kvm      705077248 2010-08-16 06:22 ubuntu_ubuntu-10.04.1-server-i386.iso
[19:08] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: yes, but every directory in the path leading to that file needs to be accessiable by that user/group
[19:08] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: ie, if your ~/.cache is 0700: boom
[19:09] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: you can also simply move your iso somewhere else
[19:09] <jdstrand> (that is readable by libvirt-qemu:kvm)
[19:10] <RoAkSoAx> jdstrand: right but that's the thing, I did use ISO's that were downloaded through testdrive, and used virt-manager to install VM's, and it didn't through that error on saturday
[19:10] <RoAkSoAx> s/through/throw
[19:10] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: I don't understand "it didn't through that error on saturday"
[19:11] <jdstrand> RoAkSoAx: there have been no new libvirt uploads. I don't know what happened on saturday, I can tell you for sure that if libvirt-qemu:kvm cannot read the file, it won't work. check your path, move the iso or adjust /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> jdstrand: ok thanks :)
[19:12] <jdstrand> sure, np
[19:26] <mdeslaur> RoAkSoAx: I'm preparing security updates for clvm in lvm2...do you have any idea on how I can test it?
[19:30] <RoAkSoAx> mdeslaur: not really. Though, you should ask ivoks since I beleive he works with these stuff :)
[19:30] <mdeslaur> RoAkSoAx: thanks!
[19:30] <mdeslaur> ivoks: ^
[19:35] <raubvogel>  If you are configuring bind9, in which of the three named.conf files would you put the acl's?
[19:36] <ivoks> mdeslaur: yes?
[19:36] <ivoks> mdeslaur: ah, clvm
[19:36] <mdeslaur> ivoks: I need to test clvm for a security update...is there an easy way to do this? or some docs perhaps?
[19:37] <ivoks> mdeslaur: you would have to set up a cluster with redhat cluster suite
[19:37] <ivoks> mdeslaur: or... you could enable support for corosync and openais in build
[19:37] <ivoks> mdeslaur: and then use available doc for thath
[19:37] <ivoks> that
[19:38] <ivoks> mdeslaur: i don't really have any docs on clvm in redhat cluster suite :/
[19:38] <ivoks> mdeslaur: you'll need shared storage in any case
[19:38] <ivoks> mdeslaur: or, you could just give me the diff and i'll test it :)
[19:39] <mdeslaur> ivoks: I have packages for dapper all the way to lucid...are you sure you want to volunteer? :)
[19:39] <mdeslaur> how about this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClusterStack/LucidTesting#BONUS%20:%20RHCS%20Samba%20file%20server%20cluster
[19:40] <mdeslaur> ivoks: I can try that, right? ^
[19:40] <ivoks> mdeslaur: oh yeah
[19:40] <ivoks> i totally ignored RHCS part of that page
[19:41] <mdeslaur> ivoks: was there anything special in the PPA mentioned there, or should that work with the default lucid packages?
[19:41] <ivoks> mdeslaur: still, you need shared storage
[19:41] <mdeslaur> ivoks: I can do that with two VMs, right?
[19:41] <ivoks> mdeslaur: for RHCS, you don't need additional ppa
[19:41] <ivoks> mdeslaur: yes
[19:42] <mdeslaur> ok, thanks ivoks, I'll try and get that working
[19:43] <ivoks> mdeslaur: i'll probably be online next couple of hours, so ping me if you need help
[19:44] <mdeslaur> ivoks: sweet, thanks
[19:46] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks: speaking of which, I'll enable Pacemaker RHCS support for maverick and upload it to a PPA ubuntu-ha-maintainers. Then, we can start working on the library split for natty
[19:47] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: ok, you could do that for lvm too
[19:47] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: enable it to build with corosync and openais
[19:48] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks: ok will do. I think I'll just setup a blueprint for natty to discuss library split and trying to get HA for UEC
[19:48] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks: I'm gonna start testing that
[19:49] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks: would there be anything else you'll like me to discuss in the blueprint?
[19:49] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: ways to reintegrate that into debian
[19:49] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: even if we know that's a complete failure :)
[19:50] <RoAkSoAx> haha indeed
[19:50] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks: had the same conversation with fghaas about it, but they said what we all know already. Anyways
[20:12] <mdeslaur> ivoks: I'm getting "parse error in config: The consensus timeout parameter (4800 ms) must be atleast 1.2 * token (12000 ms).". Any ideas?
[20:14] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'm installing a Lucid UEC setup. During installation of the VM's, they ask for the IP of the CLC. Should I specify it or should I leave it, to have autodiscovery?
[20:14] <mdeslaur> ivoks: never mind, I found it
[20:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: what component are you installing?
[20:18] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: sc-cc in one VM
[20:20] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland:  but I believe the same will apply to the walrus
[20:20] <ivoks> mdeslaur: sorry, i was away for couple of minutes
[20:20] <mdeslaur> ivoks: np :)
[20:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: normally, you let it autodetect
[20:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: that requires that avahi work
[20:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i don't know what your network setup looks like
[20:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: but if avahi broadcasts work, it should autodetect okay
[20:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: well since this is just testing, avahi will work. I'm just using NAT
[20:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i"m doing it all in VM's
[20:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right -- the VMs must be bridged to talk to one another
[20:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yep, but I just want to have the eparate components ( 1 CLC, 1 Walrus, 1 CC-SC, 1 NC) to start looking into how to provide HA
[20:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so they are all in a single virtual network, which is the NAT provided by KVM
[20:32] <kinygos> upgrade to 10.04 was supersmooth...bloody good job guys :)
[20:33] <cfairles> where can you set environment variables such that they are loaded even for no-login users (specifically JAVA_HOME), no bash rc's because they are shell user only, /etc/environment doesn't seem to work either
[21:08] <T3CHKOMMIE> hey guys, did a sudo apt-get update and something hung on my 10.04 x64 install when i log in it says ihave updates avaiable but when i update/upgrade it says there were errors and nothing gets installed. any ideas on how to flush this out?
[21:09] <soren> T3CHKOMMIE: Depends on what the errors are.
[21:10] <T3CHKOMMIE> it looks like its unable to connect to some of the packages listend in the source.lst
[21:10] <T3CHKOMMIE> like lucid-security-updates /multiuniverse
[21:10] <T3CHKOMMIE> etc
[21:11] <Pici> Pastebinning the errors would be a good start
[21:11] <Pici> !paste
[21:12] <T3CHKOMMIE> "unable to connect to security.ububtu.com etc....
[21:13] <T3CHKOMMIE> it trys conencting then times out...
[21:13] <T3CHKOMMIE> then goes to about 21%... then says "failed failed failed... etc"
[21:14] <T3CHKOMMIE> ok here we go, "some index files faild to download, they have been ignroed, or old ones used instread.
[21:15] <T3CHKOMMIE> --fix-missing doesnt help either.
[21:15] <T3CHKOMMIE> is the repo server down?
[21:15] <demonspork> I seem to have a nonfunctional dpkg process sitting in the background  locking my /var/lib/dpkg/lock file. It was in the middle of install MRTG and it stopped doing anything, I left it for 30 minutes and then I tried to ctrl+c with no luck, so I actually closed that ssh session and then reconnected, and now the dpkg won't die
[21:30] <ehcah> Hello. can anyone give me a technical reason for using ebox over webmin? I understand webmin is no longer supported, but it offers much more flexibility if I wish to modify some configuration files by hand.
[21:31] <RoyK> !webmin
[21:32]  * kinygos likes ubottu
[21:33] <guntbert> ehcah: ebox is ... well I don't like it at all -- but webmin will botch your system if you use it to actually modify configuration :-((
[21:33] <ehcah> guntbert: Compared to the experiences I had with webmin, I don't like ebox (zentyal), at all.
[21:34] <ehcah> It is an extremely limited tool with its scope.
[21:34] <RoyK> ehcah: imho the commandline outperforms any web-based administration interfaces
[21:34] <ehcah> RoyK: You and I have chatted about that before, and I agree - no question.
[21:35] <guntbert> ehcah: I said the same -- especially since ebox uses its own config files -- but still  webmin "is not compatible" -- I agree with RoyK here
[21:36] <ehcah> No arguments here. I really liked being able to use webmin to review my configs easily. Funny as it sounds, I still do a lot of terminal based changes.
[21:37] <ehcah> More simply stated, I wish there was a webmin like GUI out there that was supported.
[21:39]  * RoyK sticks to vim
[21:42] <poolvibe_> sooooz
[21:42] <poolvibe_> ok 1st time on IRC sheeshe I'm a lil noobish
[21:48] <franksterville> test
[21:51] <franksterville> Anyone know of a good HP Designjet 500 Driver other than the preinstalled HP junk
[21:51] <franksterville> the foomatic shifts stuff all over the page
[21:52] <qman__> there's a couple different ones included, foomatic, hp2js or something
[21:52] <franksterville> othere than that the new 10.04 is solid here
[21:52] <franksterville> ye they all shift stuff bout 1/2" off the top of a landscape page
[21:53] <franksterville> tried gen hp stuff too
[21:53] <franksterville> maybe use alien and grab a fedora one?
[21:53] <qman__> they use the same ones
[21:53] <franksterville> figured
[21:53] <franksterville> hmmm maybe its the format
[21:53] <franksterville> pdf
[21:54] <ivoks> mdeslaur: everything ok?
[21:54] <franksterville> i am still amazed that the other 5 printers in the building work flawlessly
[21:54] <franksterville> Sharp Dell 3 other HPs
[21:54] <SpamapS> it still amazes me that printer manufacturers feel a need to write and maintain drivers when PCL and PS are perfectly capable of anything anybody wants to do.
[21:54] <mdeslaur> ivoks: yes! I've tested it on lucid...tomorrow, I'll do the others
[21:54] <ivoks> mdeslaur: ok
[21:54] <franksterville> they should all use gen PCL
[21:55] <franksterville> would be so much easier
[21:55] <ivoks> PS
[21:55] <ivoks> not PCL
[21:55] <franksterville> PCL6
[21:55] <ivoks> PS, so that we can just cat files to usb port
[21:55] <mdeslaur> ivoks: I had trouble for a while, until I fixed the hosts file properly
[21:55] <ivoks> Apple figured it out
[21:56] <ivoks> that's why they just dump screenshot to printer
[21:56] <qman__> they have to write drivers because the printers aren't smart enough to understand PS or PCL
[21:56] <SpamapS> Yeah, PS used to have the argument that it was too complex.. but at this point you can embed highly capable SoC in your printer cheaper than you can build an ASIC to handle your super special printer driver language.
[21:56] <franksterville> yeah its painfull
[21:56] <qman__> like winmodems, they're basically mechanical devices on USB control
[21:56] <qman__> the rest is handled in software
[21:56] <franksterville> I cringe when someone says I need a new printer
[21:57] <franksterville> i rem google talking about universalizing
[21:57] <ivoks> still, even if all printers would be PS, they would have 'drivers'
[21:57] <qman__> brother laser printers have been great for me
[21:57] <ivoks> not every printer is the same
[21:57] <ivoks> -> PPD
[21:57] <franksterville> oh boy
[21:57] <qman__> cheap, good functionality
[21:57] <franksterville> the sharp here has PPD
[21:57] <SpamapS> I really fought even having a printer until 6 months ago.  : For example, I have a 37GB partition mounted, formatted with ext4. Inside the partitions I have 3 disk images that total 26GB. When I try to create another 10GB image there it says the disk does not have enough space, and it will only let me create a disk image of 5gb. Any ideas why?
[22:00] <franksterville> I always ran windows print servers with ubuntu file servers until 10.04
[22:00] <ivoks> why?
[22:00] <franksterville> because of drivers
[22:00] <franksterville> had to use win
[22:00] <ivoks> where do you get printers
[22:00] <qman__> RoAkSoAx, by default it reserves 5% for the journal
[22:00] <franksterville> form HP SHarp Dell
[22:00] <ivoks> i'm having troubls finding printer that won't work on linux
[22:00] <ivoks> ah, dell
[22:01] <ivoks> USA?
[22:01] <ivoks> :)
[22:01] <franksterville> gen PCL does
[22:01] <jcastro> dells are rebranded lexmarks?
[22:01] <franksterville> but u have to .cofig it a bit
[22:01] <franksterville> *.config
[22:01] <franksterville> it defaults to greyscale and such
[22:01] <ivoks> lexmark is the brand i avoid
[22:01] <qman__> yeah, lexmarks are junk
[22:01] <franksterville> I like the Shap the best here
[22:01] <franksterville> Hi Speed
[22:02] <RoAkSoAx> qman__: ohh didn't know that :)! And would there be any way to override that reservation?
[22:02] <ivoks> sharp
[22:02] <franksterville> ye
[22:02] <franksterville> sry
[22:02] <qman__> HPs are okay
[22:02] <ivoks> even epson is good
[22:02] <franksterville> HP makes me ill on the windows side tho
[22:02] <franksterville> crapware
[22:02] <qman__> but I've been recommending brother printers, best one I have
[22:02] <ivoks> i have epson multifunction and bunch of HPs
[22:02] <franksterville> ye?
[22:02] <ivoks> plug and play
[22:02] <franksterville> never tried one
[22:02] <qman__> RoAkSoAx, that's specified when you create the filesystem
[22:02] <ivoks> brother is OK, that's true
[22:02] <qman__> might be able to change it with tune2fs
[22:03] <ivoks> i've talked with Till couple of months ago
[22:03] <ivoks> HP and Brother are working with community
[22:03] <ivoks> while others... :)
[22:03] <RoAkSoAx> qman__: cool thanks ... btw.. I just create an image using qemu-kvm specifying 10GB size, and it did it withpout a problem
[22:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: in lucid, is walrus supposed to register to the clc automatically without having to exchange keys before?
[22:28] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: ^^


[07:03] <cpaelzer> sarnold: one day you have to tell me what "yzik" meant to mean :-)
[18:21] <sarnold> cpaelzer: язык --> 'language' :)