[01:47] <DarkSun88> G'Night.
[12:31] <asac> hjmf: hi
[12:32] <asac> i think from now on i have to get you into the retracers group ... lets see what i can do in london
[12:32] <asac> hope this won't be a problem :/
[12:32] <hjmf> asac: hi
[12:33] <hjmf> retracers group, looks cool :)
[12:33] <asac> have you read pittis mail?
[12:33] <hjmf> no I've been busy this week
[12:33] <hjmf> looking, is it in the devel list?
[12:34] <asac> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-July/000312.html
[12:34] <asac> thought so first ... but its devel-announce
[12:34] <asac> this time
[12:35] <asac> look at the HowToTriage page
[12:35] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#head-f46ac7bd66be716a03d2d4fb0788725cc9cc7ba0
[12:35] <asac> the reprocessing bots will subscribe the ubuntu-crashes-main or ubuntu-crashes-universe team, which are essentially ubuntu-core-dev and ubuntu-dev, but without bug email.
[12:35] <asac> so i hope i can get you into the crashes team
[12:35] <asac> s
[12:38] <asac> hmmm ... apparently core-dev is administrator ... so i could just add you there :)
[12:38] <asac> ;)
[12:38] <hjmf> asac: great ;)
[12:38] <asac> but i should probably let people know :)
[12:38] <hjmf> then lets wait, things well done are better :P
[12:39] <asac> yeah
[12:39] <asac> maybe its just a fault
[12:39] <asac> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-crashes-universe/+members
[12:39] <asac> universe has also all ubuntu-dev as administrator
[12:39] <asac> which might be intentionally
[12:39] <asac> e.g. if policy is that this is quite an open group ... where devs can help people deliberately if they think its important to have them in that group
[12:40] <hjmf> yes
[12:40] <asac> will figure out on monday
[12:40] <hjmf> k
[12:40] <asac> we don't have that many crashers atm, right?
[12:41] <hjmf> no, not too much, I've been doing little work during this week and today I only have tb crashes pending
[12:42] <hjmf> I thought that today I'll have some fun with tons of gutsy crashes
[12:42] <hjmf> :)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i have an iceape crash you can try to retrace if you want
[12:42] <hjmf> tell me the number
[12:42] <gnomefreak> i asked for another report but ofcourse no reply
[12:42] <asac> Bug 124520
[12:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124520 in firefox "[ GUTSY ]  Firefox png icon very small" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124520
[12:42] <asac> hehe
[12:42] <asac> thats funny
[12:43] <asac> before i used a 32x32 icon people where complainting that its too big
[12:43] <asac> now its too small :)
[12:43] <hjmf> yeah
[12:43] <hjmf> :)
[12:43] <asac> maybe its that he scaled down the huge icon manually ... and now the small is automatically scaled down by same ratio?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> hjmf: bug 123750
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123750 in iceape "iceape-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [High,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123750
[12:44] <asac> ==> won't fix
[12:45] <hjmf> gnomefreak: k, looking
[12:45] <gnomefreak> asac: something is really wrong with firefox :(
[12:46] <asac> i don't want to know :)
[12:46] <asac> hehe
[12:46] <asac> with trunk or what?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> asac: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:46] <asac> why?
[12:47] <asac> on my laptop i have gutsy ... and iirc it worked well yesterday
[12:47] <gnomefreak> last update you pushed i lost a couple of bookmarks (thought it was just me) the ones i saved on toolbar had gone(mozilla pastebin) and now i go to my homepage(set in preff.) and i have to keep logging in it doesnt automagicly log me in anymore
[12:48] <asac> gnomefreak: you use trunk as well from time to time, right?
[12:48] <asac> trunk now trashes your bookmarks
[12:48] <gnomefreak> yes i think so
[12:48] <asac> at least for me
[12:48] <gnomefreak> not trunk but granparadiso
[12:48] <asac> he?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> maybe that is why. that seems right with the logging in
[12:48] <asac> granparadiso alpha5 didn't do any harm to me
[12:48] <asac> it was just the latest
[12:48] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont have trunk on gutsy
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i have granparadiso
[12:49] <asac> hmm
[12:49] <gnomefreak> trunk only on feisty
[12:49] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[12:49] <asac> don't you share the same home?
[12:49] <asac> hi
[12:49] <gnomefreak> asac: yes but trunk doesnt start remember(cant find application.ini
[12:49] <gnomefreak> )
[12:50] <asac> yeah ... but what is the last build that worked for you?
[12:50] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[12:50] <gnomefreak> but that may be related the more i think about it
[12:50] <asac> hi DarkSun88
[12:50] <DarkSun88> asac: Hi :)
[12:50] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont remember
[12:51] <gnomefreak> that very well could be it but why would it trash bookmarks :(
[12:51] <asac> i am not really sure
[12:51] <asac> afaim dmose (mofo developer) did some improvements to places
[12:51] <asac> which might cause troubles
[12:52] <asac> places includes bookmarks
[12:52] <asac> but it definitly does trash bookmarks for me
[12:52] <asac> toolbar for sure
[12:52] <asac> live bookmarks as well
[12:52] <asac> i initially thought that its because it crashes during shutdown
[12:53] <asac> so bookmarks end up in corrupted state ... e.g. with unfinished write
[12:53] <asac> but then starting trunk again makes them reappear
[12:53] <asac> so it looks like they get migrated to some incompatible new datamodel or somethin
[12:53] <asac> g
[12:53] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[12:53] <asac> which would be a pita
[12:53] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:54] <asac> then we would need to use a different profile directory for trunk
[12:54] <gnomefreak> but granparadiso is the same package with different branding
[12:54] <asac> which works ... but isn't perfect of course
[12:54] <asac> graparadiso alpha5 is old
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:54] <asac> alpha6 trashes bookmarks for me
[12:54] <asac> so they landed something that makes the profile not reusable
[12:54] <asac> maybe its even a bug ... and they will revert something soon
[12:55] <asac> but without looking into it ... i cannot tell
[12:55] <gnomefreak> i have to keep better track when i run trunk from this system
[12:56] <asac> definitely ... lets put trunk to gutsy
[12:56] <asac> and then ask gutsy users to use it
[12:56] <asac> so we get early feedback from them
[12:56] <gnomefreak> we need to get it working first ;)
[12:56] <asac> feisty users usually don't like to trash their profile ... so gutsy is better for that
[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: it works ... or?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> asac: it does/
[12:56] <asac> i just crashes on shutdown, right?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> ?
[12:57] <asac> and sometimes it crashes on startup
[12:57] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont know im wiating for the source.
[12:57] <asac> afaik only on first startup
[12:57] <gnomefreak> waiting*
[12:57] <asac> waiting?
[12:57] <asac> is it me who is blocking you?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> asac: yes
[12:57] <asac> he?
[12:57] <asac> what do i need to todo?
[12:57] <asac> we have all patches to make it build properly ... and install application.ini and platform.ini, right?
[12:58] <asac> or where did you get stuck?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> asac: i tried pulling from feisty repos but the dsc wouldnt unpack due to diff
[12:58] <asac> gnomefreak: use bzr branch
[12:58] <gnomefreak> asac: that is 703
[12:58] <asac> yes ... go for 0708
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:58] <asac> its not your job to respin the old one
[12:58] <asac> s
[12:58] <asac> i have to track this down
[12:58] <gnomefreak> i thought you were sticking with 628
[12:58] <asac> and it really looks like its something in cairo
[12:59] <asac> yeah ... i won't publish them ... i just need to track down where the problem is
[12:59] <asac> i won't publish anything ... i just said that you won't need to spin the old one
[12:59] <asac> so just assume i never said anything about it :)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> k
[01:00] <asac> aeh ... of course 0706 is the latest you can safely pull :)
[01:01] <gnomefreak> ill work on it in a few
[01:06] <gnomefreak> hmm you didnt merge the changes to your branch (atleast LP doesnt show it)
[01:07] <gnomefreak> ok grabbing it and see if i can get it to build
[01:16] <gnomefreak> did we stop building mozilla-chatzilla?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> or firefox-chatzilla whatever the name is
[01:42] <hjmf> gnomefreak: I've tried several things but I couldn't get a usable backtrace. I'll try the last attempt after lunch
[01:43] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i didnt think you would beable to but had to try
[01:43] <gnomefreak> hjmf: thank you
[01:48] <asac> ubuntu_laptop: i have not pushed it
[01:48] <asac> mt should be buildable, right?
[01:48] <ubuntu_laptop> chatzilla?
[01:48] <asac> i mean ... you pushed the patches et al to it?
[01:49] <asac> no
[01:49] <asac> my branch
[01:49] <ubuntu_laptop> oh branhc
[01:49] <asac> actually my branch is dead
[01:49] <ubuntu_laptop> yes i pushed to mt branch
[01:49] <asac> i will push to mt as well when i want
[01:49] <ubuntu_laptop> sorry major issues with chatzilla
[01:49] <asac> then mt should be fine
[01:51] <gnomefreak> asac: is there a difference from firefox-xhatzilla to icepae-chatzilla?
[01:52] <asac> no idea :)
[01:52] <gnomefreak> firefox-chatzilla(mozilla-*) what ever name it is
[01:52] <asac> probably its hooked in differently
[01:52] <asac> but the rest is the same
[01:52] <gnomefreak> asac: it cant be used to join 2 channels :(
[01:52] <asac> why?
[01:52] <asac> which one?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> and i cant even find mozilla-* or firefox-chatzilla in repos
[01:52] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:53] <asac> its not provided ... yes
[01:57] <gnomefreak> nvm it was fixed :(
[02:42] <gnomefreak> ill be in and out today but i got trunk building in gutsy atm :)
[02:54] <asac> gnomefreak: great
[02:57] <gnomefreak> asac: did you hear back from mozilla about airbag?
[02:57] <gnomefreak> i either have to add libcurl or --disable-airbag
[02:58] <gnomefreak> im gonna disable it for now
[03:01] <gnomefreak> ill push after its built
[03:09] <gnomefreak> asac: what is this --enable-application=APP
[03:14] <gnomefreak> configure: error: --enable-application=APP was not specified and is required.
[03:14] <gnomefreak> wondering what app to use inplace of APP
[03:16] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm its already defined
[03:16] <gnomefreak> that would be --enable-application=browser \
[03:16] <gnomefreak> maybe i should move that to top?
[03:23] <gnomefreak> -trunk is a frigging liar
[03:31] <asac> disable airbag
[03:31] <asac> for firefox its browser ... but why isn't it in there already?
[03:31] <asac> it always was
[03:31] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[03:31] <asac> gnomefreak: no don't move on top
[03:32] <asac> gnomefreak: you have syntax error somewhere then
[03:32] <asac> figure out whats wrong in those configure flags
[03:32] <asac> sorry for not reading eveyrything first ... but i write while i read :)
[03:36] <gnomefreak> ill look but everything should have been fine
[03:36] <gnomefreak> it builds with it on top
[03:36] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^
[03:37] <gnomefreak> is there an important reason not to put it on top?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> it seems to be looking for it first
[03:40] <gnomefreak> i moved it before you answered to try it and was outside when you responded (but it is building) so ill let it go for now
[05:25] <asac> gnomefreak: if it doesn't work unless you move it on top means that something is broken and lots of configure options will not be recognized/honoured
[05:26] <asac> the brokeness should be between top and the place it was before
[09:49] <gnomefreak> well it failed on application.ini


[20:20] <jo-erlend> it shouldn't be necessary to install anything special in the guest in order to take full advantage of Spice?
[20:21] <jo-erlend> using Ubuntu host and guest.


[02:02] <teward> TJ-: so as soon as Comcast facilitates me getting my new IP block of 5 static IPs, I"mma be putting your NGINX pidfile changes intoa  production environment for several of my sites, that'll be a good test if it works in a production environment.
[02:02] <teward> will let you know.
[02:44] <TJ-> teward: I've not doubt it's fine; it fixes a clear race condition over the fork
[13:52] <teward> yeah i don't doubt it either
[13:52] <teward> but i want to test
[13:52] <teward> in a production env xD
[13:52] <teward> because i'm picky :)
[14:18] <Ussat> testing in prod.....
[15:53] <TJ-> teward: wow, late reply, good job I was connected again :) Talking of race conditions I'm chasing another at the moment. GUI session, Lid-close event suspend, resume->unlock->DPMS off and display blanked, switch to a console TTY and DPMS on, switch back to GUI DPMS off!
[15:54] <teward> heh
[15:54] <teward> TJ-: your initial reply to me was 22:44 horus local time
[15:54] <teward> i was in bed at 22:30 :p
[15:56] <TJ-> slacker :)
[15:56] <TJ-> 03:44 TJ- teward: I've not doubt it's fine; it fixes a clear race condition over the fork
[15:58] <TJ-> my head is spinning getting grips with too many new code bases... got to do that nginx post later, too
[15:59] <teward> heh
[15:59] <teward> TJ-: you took on too many tasks
[16:00] <teward> time to RELAX!  *hits in head with baseball bat*
[16:02] <TJ-> nah, just some end up sucking up more time than anticipated; it's the #1 bug of bug-fixing!
[16:03] <TJ-> btw I was up early, not late to bed!
[16:03] <teward> heh
[16:05] <blackflow> hey teward, congo rats on devship!
[16:05] <teward> blackflow: thanks!
[16:40] <ejat> anyone can help with this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mGdWG5MgwC/
[16:44] <sarnold> ejat: yes, don't go anywhere while I track down a link
[16:45] <sarnold> ejat: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1832919
[16:46] <sarnold> ejat: comment #7 has a suggestion, dpkg-reconfigure libc6
[16:48] <ejat> how about #10 ?
[16:50] <ejat> thanks @sarnold


[22:22] <pleia2> I've started moving over summaries to the wiki, but we still need planet, canonical and a couple blogosphere summaries written if anyone has some time today :)
[22:22] <pleia2> just 7 summaries total
[22:24] <ahoneybun> should change that link
[22:24] <pleia2> what link?
[22:24] <ahoneybun> http://thinkonbytes.blogspot.com/2015/06/ubuntu-reduces-pc-troubleshooting-in.html = http://thinkonbytes.blogspot.com.es/2014/04/interview-migrating-school-from-windows.html
[22:25] <pleia2> the blog post is an update to say it's done
[22:26] <pleia2> the first was just an interview, not complete status
[22:26] <pleia2> so I wouldn't say they are the same :)
[22:26] <ahoneybun> k
[22:26] <pleia2> I can write the summary for that one
[22:27] <ahoneybun> I could and you take the Xubuntu one :)
[22:31] <pleia2> did both ;)
[22:32] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[22:33] <pleia2> thanks ahoneybun
[22:33] <pleia2> going back to doing some around-the-house things now
[22:33] <ahoneybun> np
[22:54] <ahoneybun> looks done to me
[22:54] <ahoneybun> just some rewritting I would guess and link check
[23:47] <ahoneybun> pleia2: any advice for doing a Ubuntu Hour?


[00:00] <Rar9> as said tomcat7 is already running fine.
[00:00] <Rar9> just need to add the solr 3.5...
[00:01] <Rar9> but the instruction on google have not gotten me any further....:-(
[01:35] <stgraber> hallyn: Cced you on the mail I sent to James Hunt with the proposed mountall change. Test here shows that it does what I want, at least in my test environment.
[01:36] <stgraber> (as in, container boots, mountall is triggered, goes through its list of mountpoints, detects that it should mount /dev but /dev contains some mountpoints and so skips it)
[02:22] <nonotza> how can I tunnel server requests through a proxy?
[02:30] <hallyn> stgraber: cool, thanks
[02:31] <hallyn> nonotza: depends what you mean, but perhaps ssh tunnels (ssh -L localport:remotehost:remoteport otherhost) will work for you
[02:41] <ntr0py> Is it possible to run x11vnc from xinetd?
[02:44] <twb> ntr0py: uh, that would be silly
[02:44] <twb> ntr0py: unless x11vnc is a server?
[02:44] <ntr0py> twb: why?
[02:44] <twb> You probably want x0rfbserver
[02:45] <ntr0py> twb: i dont quite get it why?
[02:45] <twb> OK, how about this: WHY do you want to run x11vnc from xinetd?
[02:47] <ntr0py> twb: because it always polls my xserver on :0 and wastes CPU, also GDM freezes my whole box if i log out of Gnome (i added x11vnc at the end of gmd/init/default)
[02:48] <twb> Do you need VNC to share the same session as the local user?
[02:48] <ntr0py> twb: i want it to connect to :0 via XDMCP only if i really use it and exit directly after i close connection
[02:49] <ntr0py> yes
[02:49] <twb> Hum.  Maybe you really do want to run it via xinetd.
[02:49] <twb> I can't think of a better solution
[02:50] <ntr0py> I tried but i always get "rfbNewClient: write: Broken pipe  "
[02:52] <twb> You probably need extra magic that I'm not familiar with
[02:52] <twb> Doign stuff via inetd is usually bad juju so I don't.
[02:53] <ntr0py> for fulltime services i agree but i only need it rarely for some admin stuff
[03:05] <twb> If you need a GUI to do administrative tasks, you are not a sysadmin and shouldn't be allowed to have a computer.
[03:05] <twb> Further, you would do better to ssh -X <stupid GUI tool> than to use VNC
[03:10] <ntr0py> When trying to run x11vnc via xinetd i ALWAYS get "rfbNewClient: write: Broken pipe" error message (i tried a zillion configs). Any ideas, what am i doing wrong ?
[03:11] <ntr0py> twb: yes i know those, and i do use them too but i really want a GDM login via x11vnc/xinetd
[03:12] <qman__> sorry, those are both technologies I avoid like the plague
[03:12] <qman__> old, configuration and security nightmare
[03:13] <ntr0py> yes if i could i would use NoMachine NX but its not an option i need vnc
[03:49] <Martyn> ntr0py : VNC Viewer’s default setting is auto-encoding selection, which means first use ZRLE and then switch to hextile if possible—that creates a problem
[03:49] <Martyn> ntr0py : Just pick one, and your rfb error might go away
[03:50] <ntr0py> Martyn: thanks i will try that
[03:50] <Martyn> i.e. vncviewer localhost:0 PreferredEncoding=Hextile
[03:52] <Martyn> twb : Your attitude is strange.   I'm an old, bearded, grizzled unix sysadmin and I /know/ there are packages out there that still resort to a UI for configuration.
[03:53] <Martyn> twb : Whether or not you use a UI doesn't make you a better or worse sysadmin.   Being knowledgable, patient, understanding when to use process and when to put it aside, and knowing the system you _are_ administrating does.
[03:55] <twb> Martyn: if the package requires a UI to configure it, the package is broken.    End of story.
[03:56]  * Martyn raises eyebrows
[03:57] <Martyn> twb, please never, ever, ever come near any systems at CERN
[03:58] <twb> Heh, I bet they're all still hairy motif stuff
[03:58] <Martyn> not quite that bad, but you're not that far off.
[03:59] <Martyn> Some of those systems are still using software packages with a heritage from IRIX
[03:59] <Martyn> and of course, plenty of Microsoft to go around.
[03:59] <twb> And all the specialist equipment talks to a custom ISA to serial card which hasn't been made for ten years
[03:59] <Martyn> *snort*  heh, no
[04:00] <twb> That's what the astronomy stuff is like in .au
[04:00] <Martyn> Thats a pity
[04:00] <Martyn> The setup at CERN is actually very impressive...
[04:01] <Martyn> and it has to be, given what the accelerator does, and the massive amount of information they throw around
[04:01] <Martyn> they can't even keep all the data they generate.
[04:03] <ntr0py> sometimes i need to configure GUI software clients are using, ans sure they store their config in files/databases but i need to use the GUI for that
[04:03] <ntr0py> BTW:      server_args = -inetd -o /var/log/x11vnc.log -display :0 -env FD_GDM=1 -auth guess -rfbauth /root/.vncpasswd -shared -nomodtweak -noxrecord         with           wait = no        seems to work with xinetd ...
[04:04] <twb> ntr0py: oh, x11vnc has an -inetd argument?
[04:04] <ntr0py> yes
[04:04] <twb> ntr0py: I was assuming he'd have to roll that stuff by hand which was way below my care threshold
[04:18] <kaushal> Hi
[04:18] <kaushal> Any step by step guide to install rsyslog server on ubuntu Linux server 10.04 LTS ?
[04:19] <qman__> it's installed by default
[04:26] <twb> kaushal: rsyslog is the default
[04:29] <kaushal> ok
[04:30] <kaushal> twb: any wiki to setup linux clients to use rsyslog server ?
[04:30] <kaushal> any GUI web interface ?
[04:30] <twb> kaushal: uh, so you have two hosts, both running rsyslog, and you want one to speak syslog protocol to the other?
[04:31] <kaushal> basically a centralized rsyslog server and 100 linux clients connecting to this rsyslog server
[04:31] <kaushal> and a web interface to access it
[04:32] <twb> Well, to make them speak to one another you need...
[04:34] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/149059/
[04:36] <kaushal> twb: ok
[04:40] <twb> I also highly recommend commenting out this: $ActionFileDefaultTemplate RSYSLOG_TraditionalFileFormat
[05:01] <MTecknology> I decided my hardware sucks.
[05:01] <MTecknology> twb: apparently the cpu ond that atx board is embedded, and i apparently paid no attention when buying it
[05:02] <MTecknology> the chipset on the board is aweful too. I decided to buy some nice fast stuff including an LSI SAS Controller. :)
[05:03] <twb> MTecknology: I don't care
[05:04] <MTecknology> twb: of course you do
[05:21] <hallyn> stgraber: no attachment on the emails
[06:52] <tazmania> Why can't I run apache2 and n2n-supernode at system bootup?  What happen is that during system boots up, apache2 will fail to initialize.  If I remove n2n-supernode from the init.d scrip, then apache2 works.
[07:19] <SpamapS> tazmania: what is n2n-supernode ?
[07:20] <tazmania> SpamapS: n2n is a vpn and the server side is called "supernode". The client is called "edge"
[07:22] <SpamapS> tazmania: is it possible that n2n-supernode listens on the same port?
[07:24] <tazmania> I tried 2 ports, 8888 and 82 and apache2 failed to come up
[07:25] <tazmania> I use start-stop-daemon command to bring up the supernode and I used "update-rc.d supernode defaults" to create the autostart script
[07:26] <SpamapS> tazmania: surely one of them prints the problem they're having into log files.
[07:26] <SpamapS> tazmania: for apache2, I'd expect logs in /var/log/apache2/error.log
[07:26] <tazmania> it doesn't have any error
[07:27] <tazmania> I have checked
[07:27] <SpamapS> so it just exits for no reason?
[07:27] <SpamapS> tazmania: service apache2 start should at least give you a reason why it failed
[07:28] <tazmania> if I do it manually, /etc/init.d/apache2 start or restart, then it works
[07:28] <tazmania> If I remove the supernode from the auto start init script, apache2 works
[07:29] <SpamapS> tazmania: ok so perhaps apache2 needs n2n-supernode to already be started?
[07:30] <tazmania> Let me check the logs to see if I can find anything
[07:30] <tazmania> If I change the supernode script from "start-stop-daemon" to a plain "supernode -l 120 &", then apache2 works
[07:34] <SpamapS> tazmania: is it possible they're using thes ame pid file maybe?
[07:35] <tazmania> hmm.... there are two different application.  It should be very unlikely
[07:36] <tazmania> in the init.d script, apache2 should be called before supernode
[08:06] <mjau^> morns!
[08:06] <mjau^> I'm wondering about hte runlevels in ubuntu 10.04; I only know the sysV way..
[08:07] <mjau^> like, for instance, how do I check what runlevels a daemon will start on?
[08:53] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:01] <jamespage> morning all
[09:01]  * jamespage waves at lynxman
[09:03]  * lynxman waves back at jamespage :)
[09:07] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:53] <ewook> morning. I'm a bit lost. Need to 'extract' the last installed .deb files from apt (ie, from the cache), any pointers how to do that?
[09:55] <koolhead11> Daviey: sir
[10:01] <rbasak> ewook: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:09] <Daviey> koolhead11: hey
[10:12] <koolhead11> Daviey: how are things? i find channel very silent these days. :(
[10:17] <Daviey> koolhead11: really?
[10:17] <Daviey> Things seem to be good!
[10:19] <koolhead11> Daviey: cool. Seems like everyone relaxing after sprint :)
[10:21] <Daviey> koolhead11: I'd be quite suprised if people are that tired from the sprint..
[10:22] <koolhead11> Daviey:
[10:22] <koolhead11> :D
[11:56] <mjau^> anyone around?
[12:13] <RoyK> jau
[12:15] <koolhead11> !around
[12:37] <mjau^> on ubuntu 10.04, is there a way to list what services that will start with different runlevels?
[12:37] <mjau^> or should I simply do ls /etc/rc* | less?
[12:37] <mjau^> what I'm looking for is something like chkconfig --list
[13:32] <slakcphil> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1642641
[13:32] <slakcphil> this thread was marked solved
[13:34] <slakcphil> i know they are talking about the generic kernel, but what about 10.04's kernel? I am having similar issues with 10.04 server, getting same speeds using 3.0 pcix and a external hdd
[13:35] <slakcphil> 64bit DELL 2850 with 8 cofrfes
[13:35] <smoser> adam_g, from conversation yesterday... just fyi, the ec2-api-tools should be installable, they're just in multiverse, and multiverse is not enabled by default in stock images.
[13:35] <slakcphil> does anyone know if that was fixed or back ported?
[13:36] <patdk-wk> slakcphil, that would be a no
[13:36] <slakcphil> :(
[13:36] <patdk-wk> I seriously doubt it would be fixed in the stock lucid kernel
[13:36] <slakcphil> really? even the server edition?
[13:36] <patdk-wk> hmm, ya, security patchs are backported
[13:37] <slakcphil> how horrible is the idea of installing or compiling new kernel?
[13:37] <slakcphil> 2.6.37?
[13:37] <patdk-wk> just install a backport kernel
[13:37] <patdk-wk> from natty, or oneiric
[13:38] <slakcphil> how *safe* is that?
[13:38] <patdk-wk> heh?
[13:38] <patdk-wk> it's a kernel
[13:38] <patdk-wk> if you have a issue, reboot with a different one
[13:38] <slakcphil> yeah really
[13:39] <slakcphil> where is the official place to find that? not kernel.org right?
[13:39] <patdk-wk> to find what
[13:39] <slakcphil> the natty kernel
[13:39] <patdk-wk> apt-get
[13:39] <zul> mmmmmorgning
[13:40] <susman> Hi, trying to configure boot options for automatic network installation of 11.10 with preseed, language=en country=IL locale=en_US.UTF-8 is passed to kernel while booting, but for some reason installation process stops by "Configure locales" and waiting for human input.
[13:40] <susman> Also we have configured preseeding installation process for 10.10, with same configuration - works like a charm... is it bug in 11.10? is it known? any workaround?
[13:40] <slakcphil> oh ok, i will apt-cache search for it
[13:40] <patdk-wk> yep
[13:40] <slakcphil> thx, patdk-wk
[13:40] <lynxman> slakcphil: this might help https://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoinstalllinuxkernel2638onubuntu1004lucidfromubuntu1104nattytheeasyway
[13:41] <patdk-wk> slakcphil, apt-get install linux-image-server-lts-backport-natty
[13:41] <slakcphil> cool
[13:49] <filo1234> hi
[13:57] <zul> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-ubuntu-testing/+junk/openstack-tests
[14:31] <stgraber> hallyn: doh... sent
[14:44] <susman> Hi, trying to configure boot options for automatic network installation of 11.10 with preseed, language=en country=IL locale=en_US.UTF-8 is passed to kernel while booting, but for some reason installation process stops by "Configure locales" and waiting for human input.
[14:45] <susman> does anybody knows here something about linux? or everything beyond apt-get is forbidden for you?
[15:33] <zul> smoser: hey suppose we can swith the emi to ami on the cloud-publish tools
[15:34] <smoser> where?
[15:34] <smoser> oh in publish-tarball.. that would probably be a bad idea. if someone is actually using it in a programmatic way, it'd break them.
[15:34] <zul> image  : precise-server-cloudimg-i386.img
[15:34] <zul> Tue Dec 13 10:31:42 EST 2011: [15:34] <zul> Tue Dec 13 10:31:47 EST 2011: [15:34] <zul> Tue Dec 13 10:32:18 EST 2011: [15:34] <zul> emi="ami-00000004"; eri="none"; eki="aki-00000003";
[15:37] <smoser> yeah, dont you think that would break anything parsing that ?
[15:55] <zul> smoser: perhaps
[15:56] <smoser> it writes that to stdout. the intent was that you could do : cloud-publish-tarball ... > result && . result && echo "you now registered: $emi"
[15:56] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: ping
[16:24] <ewook> rbasak: Yeah thanks :p. a less on the files confused me at first, thus my question - but those are the files I was looking for ^
[16:24] <ewook> ^^
[16:25] <ewook> uvirtbot: And you, my botty friend, do not smile enough.
[16:25] <hallyn> smb: if you think just adding alias for nfs4 to nfs in modprobe.conf ia all that would be needed, I can suggest that in a debian bug and let them take it from there
[16:26] <smb> hallyn, Apreciated. Yes, its all that is needed
[16:26] <tyska> guys
[16:26] <tyska> i have 4 exactly same servers
[16:27] <tyska> there is some tool that just replicate the installation from 1 server to the others 3
[16:27] <tyska> ?
[16:27] <hallyn> smb: cool, thanks, will submit it then - ttyl
[16:27] <smb> hallyn, The problem for it is that mount.nfs4 is leading to a modprobe for a kernel module named nfs4 (which does not exist).
[16:28] <smb> If you probed it before or tell modprobe by an alias all is good
[16:30] <hallyn> heh, simpler than i thought.  thanks
[16:33] <moretti> ...
[16:33] <Error404NotFound> Not strictly related to ubuntu server, so feel free to ignore. My ubuntu server hosts abc.domain.com(IP: <IP_ADDRESS>) where domain.com is hosted on another server. I have installed postfix and smtp is working fine. My question is: do i need to set <IP_ADDRESS> reverse dns? if yes, to what? domain.com or abc.domain.com?
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh pong
[16:35] <tyska> guys
[16:35] <hallyn> tyska: well 15 years ago we used to just boot a minimal livecd and install with rsync over ssh.  The usual answers now seem to be preseeds and orchestra, but as for copying one config to another machine I'm not sure what's recommended
[16:36] <hallyn> tyska: (server meeting is going on, so wait 30 minutes and you may get more answers)
[16:37] <tyska> hallyn: i just need to install the 4 servers with ubuntu server, without any modifications
[16:40] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: is cloud-init expected to work with Cobbler from a Lucid system>
[16:40] <hggdh> ?
[16:41] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: meaning: Cobbled is based on an Oneiric, cloud-init is trying to contact it from a Lucid (and failing with timeouts)
[16:45] <hallyn> tyska: i'd recommend preseeding (http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 and http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/03/ubuntu-server-quick-install-no.html)
[16:45] <hallyn> it's what i do for quick replicated test installs - but note that it's a bit finicky and limited
[16:46] <tyska> ok thanks hallyn
[16:47] <hallyn> np
[16:48] <drt24> hallyn: the uquick link is borken so following Dustin Kirkland's instructions won't work
[16:49] <edgy> Hi, kvm would crash my host when I make the guest full-screen and back (ctrl-alt-f twice)
[16:49] <edgy> hallyn: hi
[16:50] <drt24> kirkland: ping re uquick link being broken
[16:51] <hallyn> edgy: which qemu on what release, with waht window manager?
[16:51] <hallyn> edgy: (probably best to file a bug, though)
[16:52] <edgy> hallyn: yes, I want to file a bug but I am not sure whether it's specific to me or general; host and guest are kubuntu precise
[16:52] <edgy> I just want to confirm it first
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: huh? cloud-init doe snot contact cobbler... cobbler feeds juju user-data and also meta-data through the preseed file
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: err jujuprovides the user-data to cobbler, and cobbler feeds it to the machine throyugh the preseed
[16:53] <hallyn> edgy: oh, yeah, mightb e specific to you, but still good to record it i think, others may run into it
[16:53] <hallyn> edgy: using sdl?
[16:54] <edgy> hallyn: what files I need to attach to help debug it?
[16:54] <edgy> hallyn: yes
[16:54] <hallyn> 'ubuntu-bug qemu-kvm' should DTRT, if this is in fact kvm
[16:54] <hallyn> ok, lemme try under unity real quick (booting)
[16:57] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: Q came because all our profiles in the Lab use it, not only those juju-related
[16:58] <Ursinha> SpamapS: do you watch The Walking Dead?
[16:58] <hallyn> edgy: can't reproduce in unity on precise with a server guest image
[16:58] <Ursinha> SpamapS: there's a character that looks a lot like you
[16:58] <SpamapS> Ursinha: no, I have too many other television addictions, and I hear its really really good.
[16:59] <SpamapS> Ursinha: oh gee thanks for the compliment.
[16:59]  * SpamapS has always wanted to be a zombie
[16:59] <Ursinha> he's the most bad ass in the show haha
[16:59] <Ursinha> SpamapS: http://www.hypergeek.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Daryl_Dixon_promotional.jpg
[16:59] <SpamapS> Oh ahha I love that actor
[17:00] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: no, only the juju related profiles install the user-data and meta-data into the system. The other profiles only install cloud-init (well all machjines installs orchestra-client-, which also pull cloud-init)
[17:00] <Ursinha> hahaha
[17:01] <SpamapS> Ursinha: thats actually my evil twin. :)
[17:01] <edgy> hallyn: do you have a kubuntu desktop guest handy?
[17:01] <Ursinha> SpamapS: that explains :P
[17:02] <SpamapS> Ursinha: I was first told I looked a bit like him when people saw Boondock Saints.. another one where he's a badass. :)
[17:02] <Ursinha> SpamapS: you should make use of the fame haha
[17:03] <SpamapS> I haven't had anybody actually ask me directly, but walking around Hollywood, a few people have stared really hard
[17:03] <edgy> hallyn: I just replied to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-linaro/+bug/902237
[17:03] <hallyn> edgy: no, i don't
[17:03] <hallyn> ok - i'm out for a bit, back in a bit
[17:04] <hallyn> edgy: hm, I see, thanks for the comment.  biab
[17:05] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: i think hggdh is correct, on lucid systems cloud-init fires off during boot and polls the unreachable metadata service for however many minutes
[17:05] <Ursinha> SpamapS: at least for me you really look like him :) I was watching the series with that feeling "I've seen this guy before.." and one of these G+ hangouts made me realize that the guy was you hahahaha
[17:05] <SpamapS> haha
[17:05] <edgy> hallyn: how can I help you more?
[17:05] <SpamapS> Ursinha: I'll start bringing a shotgun to the hangouts just to make you feel less confused. :)
[17:05] <Ursinha> lol
[17:05] <Ursinha> good idea
[17:05] <kirkland> SpamapS: so I've just finished setting up irc-hybrid + supybot for logging ...  it's an all-in-one system, but what would you honestly think about a juju charm to do this?
[17:06] <hggdh> adam_g, RoAkSoAx: it tries for 100*10 seconds, blocking the boot progress
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: can you pastebin the preseeds?
[17:06] <kirkland> SpamapS: I don't know how repeatable this setup is, I'm afraid
[17:06] <kirkland> SpamapS: but I've set it up once, and I don't really want to blow time on recreating this work again;  would much rather tweak a conf and juju-deploy
[17:06] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: one min
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: but really, cloud-init cannot pull meta-data from cobbler
[17:07] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: the meta-data stuff was added only for oneiric, and its not pulling based.
[17:07] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: i know, but its trying to reach the ec2 metadata service
[17:07] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: ls /root/ and what do you see there?
[17:07] <adam_g> because (i assume) the lucid cloud-init hasn't been updated since all of this stuff was added
[17:07] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: is it deploying with juju?
[17:08] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: I will have to reinstall with the original kickstart templates. This will take at least 30 min
[17:08] <hallyn> edgy: I'm leaving kubuntu-desktop installing so should be able to test this afternoon
[17:08] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: are you testing with juju?
[17:08] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: nope
[17:08] <hggdh> just cobbler
[17:08] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: i dont remember if i was doing a fresh ubuntu server or juju profile. this was on the QA lab, so you're welcome to test those
[17:09] <edgy> hallyn: good, I will follow the bug close awaiting for any advice, thanks
[17:09] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: what's int /root of the deployed system
[17:09] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: I will need to reinstall Lucid to check, as I stated above
[17:09] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: ok ;)
[17:09] <edgy> hallyn: in kvm-spice how can I make it full screen to test this bug too?
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: ok, will probbaly do it later tonight, i'll be on and off this week as i'm already on vacation :D
[17:10] <SpamapS> kirkland: sounds like it might be quite useful as a charm. :)
[17:10] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: actually, im 90% sure this was installing from the stock lucid-x86_64 profile
[17:10] <adam_g> ill fire off an install and check
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: ok, let me know your findings
[17:11] <SpamapS> kirkland: I have a dream, where one day, users will judge a charm not by the task that it sets out to perform, but by the content of its hook scripts.
[17:11] <adam_g> hggdh: were you hitting this on the original UEC cluster? (santol, cempedak, etc)
[17:11] <hallyn> edgy: you could try http://people.canonical.com/~serge/qemu-kvm-spice_0.15.91-2011.11-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb to see if that's faster for you
[17:11] <hggdh> adam_g: no, on the Lab machines (rukbah, tarf, phact)
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: if the orchestra.preseed is being in used, then nothing should be placing meta-data into de deployed machine for cloud-init
[17:11] <hallyn> for full screen - i dunno offhand, sorry.  maybe spice-gtk will do it?
[17:11] <hallyn> now, for real, biab :)
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: if that's the case, then its cloud-init itself who's doing the request
[17:12] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: it was orchestra.pressed. It includes a snippet for cloud stuff, this was there
[17:12] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: so someone erroneously modified the preseed then :)
[17:13] <hggdh> the snippet is orchestra_client_package
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: orchestra_client_package only installs cloud-init
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> that snippet only install cloud-init
[17:14] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: but there's not meta-data nor user-data that cloud-init will seed from
[17:14] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: indeed. But cloud-init does not work with lucid, so there we are
[17:14] <edgy> hallyn: tried the ubuntu2 version but still same problem
[17:15] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: ok so a quick fix would be for you to do the follow: edit /var/lib/cobbler/snippets/orchestra_client_package and remove cloud-init from there
[17:15] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: yes, its cloud-init ala lucid, polling the <IP_ADDRESS> metadata service, because it thinkts its in ec2
[17:15] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: yeah,  its cloud init itself  then :) not cobbler :)
[17:15] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: though the preseed installs cloud init
[17:16] <adam_g> right
[17:16] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: already did :-)
[17:16] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: :)
[17:16] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: hggdh I'll modify that in orchestra's orchestra_client_package snippet
[17:16] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: perfect, thank you. Do you want a bug on that?
[17:17] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: filing it already :)
[17:18] <edgy> hallyn: wait ...
[17:19] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: another one -- IDK, yet if the profile has been changed or not, installing a fresh cobbler locally meanwhile
[17:19] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: the orchestra.pressed has a late_command to chmod a powernap script
[17:20] <hggdh> there is no such script in Lucid
[17:20] <hggdh> so the d-i install halts on an error, needing user attention (press Enter, and install proceeds)
[17:24] <SpamapS> I'm still a bit nervous about orchestra pushing powernap onto servers by default.
[17:25] <SpamapS> After it offlined half the CPU's on our emerald ridge box at the ODS demo, and couldn't bring a bunch of them back online, it definitely makes me nervous.
[17:26] <edgy> hallyn: if I used -enable-kvm it boot quickly but when I login it would kick me out
[17:26] <zul> SpamapS: ditto
[17:27] <edgy> aha! biab = bak in a bit, ok then I will hfab (hang for a bit)
[17:28] <adam_g> SpamapS: to be fair, we didnt really need *all* those CPUs, did we?
[17:29] <SpamapS> adam_g: true, of the 40, we only needed 24 ;)
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: can I see that preseed?
[17:32] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/769190/
[17:33] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: the script '/etc/pm/power.d/01cpu_online' does not exist for Lucid
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: is that default install? cause in the orchestra branch that doesn't exist
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: i believe that's manually been added by jamespage
[17:36] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: ah, this is it, then. I did not participate on the build-up. Cool
[17:36] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx, yes
[17:36] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: yeah then, but either if that chmod for powernap script fails, the installtion should continue to be successfull
[17:37] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: and yeah in precise that has been fixed already. That script is not executable by default ;)
[17:37] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: it will, eventually. But D-I stops with an error message, and someone must get to the console and press Enter
[17:37] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx, going to SRU that to oneiric?
[17:37] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: yes
[17:37] <jamespage> sweet
[17:39] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: try modifying it like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/769198/
[17:41] <hallyn> edgy: you log into kde on the guest?
[17:42] <hallyn> wonder if -vga qxl has a problem with that
[17:42] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: roger wildo
[17:42] <edgy> hallyn: I couldn't log into kde but I managed to log into unity with very very bad display
[17:42] <edgy> hallyn: I am trying to attach the Xorg log file
[17:45] <edgy> hallyn: done, please check the Out of surfaces errors there
[17:46] <hallyn> edgy: thanks
[17:49] <edgy> hallyn: btw definitely -vga qxl is the culprit because -vga std works well
[18:10] <smoser> zul, https://github.com/boto/boto/pull/432 was merged.
[18:10] <smoser> so, upstream boto now has 'ec2_connect_endpoint'
[18:10] <zul> sweet...congrats
[18:11] <smoser> i'm happy that eventually it wont be such a pita to connect to arbitrary ec2endpoint
[18:33] <mjau^> so, which is the preferred way in ubuntu 10.04?
[18:33] <mjau^> /etc/init.d/bind9 restart, or service bind9 restart?
[18:48] <smoser> mjau^, they'll end up being the same.
[18:48] <smoser> but 'service' is probably preferred as that will also work for upstartified jobs.
[18:49] <mjau^> smoser: hm, can you elaborate on the last part?
[18:50] <smoser> if a service has an upstart job, then it could potentially not work with '/etc/init.d/SERVICE' (although likely there is a wrapper script installed there that would make it work)
[18:50] <smoser> but if you use 'service service-name restart', it will invoke upstart restart if the job is upstart and init.d restart if init.d
[19:00] <adam_g> zul: ping
[19:00] <zul> adam_g: pong
[19:04] <adam_g> zul: ohhhh i see, openstack-dashboard package in the archive comes from the lp:ubuntu/precise/horizon source (not lp:ubuntu/precise/openstack-dashboard)
[19:04] <zul> adam_g: yeah because it got renamed
[19:07] <patrickmw> jamespage, I've given up trying to shove the square peg in the round hole with the jenkins dashboard.  I think its as good as it's going to get.  Any further extrapolation will require its own reporting mechanism
[19:07] <adam_g> zul: in any case, http://paste.ubuntu.com/769287/
[19:08] <zul> adam_g: lovely...can you open up a bug in launchpad please
[19:09] <adam_g> zul: sure
[19:10] <zul> adam_g: thanks
[19:12] <adam_g> zul: doh, its just a typo , ill send a fix
[19:20] <smoser> bug 903878
[19:20] <smoser> weee! hallyn ^
[19:24] <hallyn> but I'm sure you know how to fix it
[19:24]  * hallyn lives in optimism
[19:25] <smoser> i think it might have regressed with last upload
[19:25] <smoser> i'm verifying
[19:25] <smoser> but i think it worked previosly
[19:26] <hallyn> does 'virsh net-list' show default up?
[19:26] <smoser> well, shoot.
[19:26] <smoser> can't easily test.
[19:26] <smoser> i was thinkig my old cloud-image had libvirt and i could just test there (where i thought it worked before)
[19:26] <smoser> but it did not
[19:27] <smoser> did not have libvirt, and i couldn't easily get it from archive then.
[19:27] <hallyn> ?
[19:28] <smoser> i was trying to verify that it worked ~ a week ago
[19:28] <smoser> but my plan failed as i would have to get the older libvirt from the archive (and, surprise, not there :)
[19:28] <hallyn> ok i'll test on precise in a min
[19:28] <smoser> regarding virsh net-list, yes, i think up
[19:29] <smoser> hallyn, i'll give you access to a system in a minute
[19:30] <hallyn> smoser: WFM
[19:30] <hallyn> following your instructions to the letter
[19:30] <hallyn> precise updated this morning
[19:31] <smoser> you're confused.
[19:31] <hallyn> always
[19:31] <smoser> its not supposed to say "error: internal error"
[19:32] <smoser> hallyn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:32] <smoser> run byobu there so i can see
[19:33] <hallyn> no errors on my system at all.
[19:35] <hallyn> smoser: kernel
[19:36] <hallyn> you don't have veth
[19:40] <smoser> thank you, hallyn.
[19:41] <hallyn> np.
[19:42] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys im running ubuntu server. does anyone have experience setting up nagiosql i have it installed but when i come to use it and write changes it complains about permissions
[19:45] <eagles0513875|3> hey guys im running ubuntu server. does anyone have experience setting up nagiosql i have it installed but when i come to use it and write changes it complains about permissions
[19:55] <kaushal> Hi
[19:55] <kaushal> I am stuck with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1679536
[19:56] <kaushal> Any clue ?
[20:14] <kaushal> checking in again for the query ?
[20:22] <hallyn> kaushal: i'm no expert here, but i'd recommend ignoring the raid disks during install and setting them up after the fact.  you say you can install on the spare disk just fine, right?
[20:23] <hallyn> ppetraki: ^ in case you're looking for a diversion, raid install problem :)
[20:24] <ppetraki> hallyn, I already found one on the lvm mailing list :-p
[20:24] <ppetraki> hallyn, I can take a quick look though
[20:25] <hallyn> your cup overfloweth
[20:25]  * ppetraki scrollsback
[20:25] <hallyn> just http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1679536
[20:25] <hallyn> my guess is the asnwer is "don't do that", but...
[20:27] <ppetraki> RAID 5 as root, yeah, MD anyways, but a HW RAID should just work
[20:27] <ppetraki> unless it's fakeraid
[20:28] <ppetraki> looks like he quit
[20:28] <ppetraki> I think he's got the semantics wrong
[20:28] <hallyn> bah
[20:29] <ppetraki> trying to use iscsi installer to configure his onboard raid
[20:29] <ppetraki> if it's even an onboard raid
[20:29] <ppetraki> hallyn, http://ark.intel.com/products/46534/Intel-Server-Board-S3200SHV
[20:30] <ppetraki> hallyn, that might be the new Intel SAS controller, Patsburgh or fakeraid
[20:30] <ppetraki> hallyn, if it is PB, then 10.10 might not have the driver
[20:30] <ppetraki> hallyn, brand new scsi controller
[20:31] <hallyn> i'm confused - the link says it's EOL
[20:32] <ppetraki> hallyn, hmm missed that
[20:32] <ppetraki> hallyn, he just posted on ubuntu server
[20:33] <ppetraki> hallyn, yeah... need more info, initial impression is he has the semantics wrong. If he was really using iSCSI I would expect IP config details and affirmation like "I'm logging in to the target correctly" or what iSCSI SAN he's using
[20:34] <hallyn> ppetraki: ok - i was wanting to ask him to file a bug, but at the same time didn't want to steal helpful info for others from the forum site
[20:34] <hallyn> but, since he's gone, guess i'ts moot
[20:34] <hallyn> ppetraki: thx
[20:34] <ppetraki> hallyn, np
[20:38] <hallyn> edgy: running kde, maximize/unmaximize is not hurting anything for me
[20:57] <njin> Hello guys, can someone look at bug 902140 , thanks
[20:57] <njin> sorry, bug 903140
[20:58] <njin> In Ubuntu Desktop works, but not in server edition
[20:58] <njin> can someone explain why?
[21:35] <axisys> mount.nfs4 <IP_ADDRESS>:/share /mnt
[21:35] <axisys> mount.nfs4: No such device
[21:35] <axisys> what is wrong with mount command?
[21:42] <SpamapS> axisys: generally you would want to run 'mount -t nfs4 x.x.x.x:/share /mnt'
[21:42] <SpamapS> axisys: and actually on more recent releases, nfs4 is deprecated, its just 'nfs'
[21:43] <axisys> SpamapS: mount -t nfs worked
[21:43] <axisys> SpamapS: but how do I make sure it is nfs version 4
[21:43] <axisys> mount -t nfs4 worked too
[21:44] <SpamapS> axisys: -o nfsvers=4
[21:44] <SpamapS> axisys: thats from 'man nfs'
[21:45] <axisys> SpamapS: :-) .. should have read it first.. thanks a lot
[21:45] <SpamapS> axisys: any time, thanks for asking good questions. :)
[21:48] <hallyn> jdstrand: jjohansen: apparmor policy q in bug 903962.  (to be clear, we'd be extending the apparmor policy for libvirt, in main, to support spice, in universe - but not depending on spice)
[21:50] <jjohansen> hallyn: so the apparmor change looks fine to me, but I have never played directly with the libvirt apparmor driver, so I'll wait for jdstrand to comment
[21:59] <hallyn> smb: d'oh, debian already has 'alias nfs4 nfs' in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases.conf'
[21:59] <hallyn> jjohansen: thanks
[22:11] <hallyn> smoser: zul: any objection to my making qemu-kvm now Depend on kvm-ipxe?
[22:11] <hallyn> the one thing is it does slow down boot a bit to wait for ipxe...
[22:13] <hallyn> (and 'boot c' doesn't seem to stop it trying, to my chagrin)
[22:14] <zul> i dont have an opinon
[22:15] <smoser> soren, ^
[22:16] <smoser> hallyn, i hdont have any string disapproval of that.
[22:16] <smoser> could you/have you opened a bug upstream on "'boot c' still wants to boot from network"
[22:16] <smoser> or some such
[22:22] <hallyn> smoser: no, it only just occurred to me that's happening.
[22:23] <hallyn> hm, maybe it's not happening!
[22:24] <hallyn> maybe that was a bad hd
[22:24] <hallyn> (back in 30 mins)
[23:11] <Lcawte> Hi, I've just installed Ubuntu server from a different machine (because it didn't like any install disk), then moved it downstairs, everything seems to be going ok, other than the network is broken, is there any way I can force ubuntu to automaticly reconfigure it (eth0 & eth1 are messed up in other words)
[23:13] <ChmEarl> Lcawte, its a udev *.rules things - check 7*-persistent-network.rules (not exactly sure)
[23:13] <hallyn> smoser: yeah all i actually get is 2-3 seconds of 'configure ipxe' - which is still annoying, though
[23:14] <ChmEarl> Lcawte, in the *.rule file your ethX name is tied to a MAC
[23:14] <Lcawte> Is there an easy way to force it to reset? Or will it be manual editing?
[23:15] <ChmEarl> Lcawte, delete the offending lines
[23:15] <ChmEarl> manual edit
[23:16] <Lcawte> Ok, where abouts are those files?
[23:16] <ChmEarl> /etc/udev*
[23:17] <ChmEarl> or better /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-*
[23:19] <ChmEarl> Lcawte, try grep -i eth0 /etc/udev/rules.d/*.rules
[23:23] <gavinc> hi folks, in a bit of pain. inherited a 6 server setup all running Ubuntu Server trying to make some sense of it's nfs setup, and none of the machines have UID/GIDs in common. Looking for the shortest path out of that :\
[23:25] <gavinc> Options seem to be: setup Kerberos KDC on one of them, setup openldap (with or without kerberos), try and get their passwd files in sync, or have a bunch of world rw nfs mounts around
[23:25] <gavinc> anyone have any other brilliant ideas :\
[23:29] <hallyn> smoser: zul: still around?
[23:30] <hallyn> soren: i intend to make qemu-kvm depend on kvm-ipxe in the next few days, any objection?
[23:43] <hallyn> ahs3: Daviey: I've opened bug 904014 fwiw :)
[23:45] <ahs3> hallyn: kewl.  you saw that the netcf update hit unstable, yeah?
[23:49] <hallyn> yup, just saw it a few mins ago, keep wiating for the FTBFS email :)
[23:49] <hallyn> (not really)
[23:50] <ahs3> heh
[23:51] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: hm, you about?
[23:54] <kaushal> Hi
[23:54] <kaushal> Please suugest about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2011-December/006016.html ?
[23:55] <kaushal> suggest*
[23:57] <zul> hallyn: kind of
[23:58] <hallyn> zul: good enough, would you mind, when you get a chance, just doing 'syncpackage -d unstable spice'?
[23:59] <zul> hallyn: sure
[23:59] <hallyn> zul: tests fine on my precise laptop, and hopefully it'll fix a slowness with -vga qxl for edgy
[23:59] <hallyn> thanks
[23:59] <zul> edgy?


[01:19] <[Relic]> do widgets update or notify you that new versions are out?
[04:05] <valorie> [Relic]: unless you remove the update widget, you'll see a little up-arrow when an upgrade is available; it will be red if it is a security update
[04:06] <valorie> click it and Discover will pop up
[05:17] <megamanx1978> Hi I am running Kubuntu 18.04 and my gamepad is not working on many of my Steam games.
 @coolstar, Agreed. Looks rather ugly
 Hi all, wanted to check what your experiences are changing from Nvidia 390 (default) on 18.04 to a newer driver. Have you noticed any sound issues or other niggles?
 considering adding the graphics ppa but I want the system as stable as can be
[06:06] <coolstar> is there a way for me to mount a remote directory (a remote Linux machine running SSH) in Dolphin
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:52] <acheronuk> coolstar: you can add one to browse under 'network'
[06:52] <acheronuk> if you mean mount to a folder, that is possible outside dolphin with some command line tools
[06:56] <coolstar> acheronuk: got an answer from the kde channel (fish://) already; thanks
[06:59] <acheronuk> coolstar: yeah, there is more than one way. as with most things....
[06:59] <coolstar> also; can someone send a screenshot of how the lock screen is supposed to look when the Esc key is presssed on it?
[06:59] <coolstar> (as I already modded my lock screen and it's blank when I press esc)
 (Photo, 1280x723) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8nt0L1zp/file_15613.jpg
[07:03] <coolstar> aha; so that's what the date control is there for
[07:03] <acheronuk> 11 May?
[07:03] <coolstar> yeah; I already ripped the date control out of my lock screen, hence mine is completely blank when I press Esc
[07:03] <acheronuk> oh, that would be the snapshot date for that VM I guess :P
[07:04] <coolstar> I should probably figure out how to send a pull request to upstream when I complete this mod :P
[07:04] <coolstar> since the lock screen is so close to looking nice, yet the lack of attention to the minor detail makes it look really ugly stock
[07:12] <acheronuk> coolstar: https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/development#Submit_a_patch
[07:13] <acheronuk> the source repo would be plasma-workspace I think
 btw here's the before and after for my lock screen mod:
 before: https://imgur.com/a/l1pnOU5
 after: https://imgur.com/a/VExaMtm
 the change is very minor but makes it look a lot better
 https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/
 ah; thanks
 In here: https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/tree/lookandfeel/contents/lockscreen
 yeah; found it
[09:32] <user|83565> Hello peoples i am new comer here
[09:32] <user|83565> just install the windows and doing some updates
[09:34] <user|83565> Hello peoples i am new comer here
[09:34] <user|83565> just install the windows and doing some updates
[09:35] <user|83565> Please any one here give me advice or material to from where and what i start learn first
[09:35] <user|83565> waiting your respones thanks
[09:37] <user|83565> any one is here
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 @user|83565, Hi there. You installed Kubuntu or Windows?
[10:48] <Aristide> Hi !
[10:48] <Aristide> I have a big problem with Kontact (and Kmail) crash. Do you have some problems with Kubuntu 19.04 ?
[10:49] <Aristide> Hm. I have mabe found « *** Dead letters dumped. »
[10:49] <BluesKaj> !details | Aristide,
[10:49] <Aristide> yes, but I have maybe found
[10:50] <Aristide> I stop now and come back if don't work :D
[10:50] <Aristide> With more details
[10:50] <BluesKaj> ok
[10:50] <Aristide> Thank's BluesKaj :p
[10:53] <Aristide> Ok its work
[10:54] <Aristide> If you get a crash with kmail with this message : « Dead Letter » try to remove ~/.local/share/kmail2/autosave/ content
[10:55] <Aristide> (this message appear in terminal)
[12:44] <Katnip> my computer is right on time schedule (UTC) but my email is not(UTC),  what do you think this is
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Katnip, I have the same problem with gmail. it's UTC and I'm local even in the BIOS
[12:48] <Katnip> ive never had this before
[12:48] <BluesKaj> but the bios setting doesn't seem to change gmail's time setting
[15:34] <mannaro> ciao
[15:44] <mannaro> Hi everyone, I'm looking for if it's possible where I could find ISO Kubuntu Remix 2014 V2.0?
[19:34] <Guest31632> !list


[00:39] <Noskcaj> How do i tell why the bzr branch of a debian package hasn't updated? videocut in this case
[00:48] <slangasek> Noskcaj: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[00:49] <Noskcaj> thanks
[00:51] <slangasek> that page doesn't show any problems with videocut, though
[00:55] <Noskcaj> slangasek, strange. the two latest debian releases aren't in bzr
[00:56] <slangasek> hmm, quite
[00:56] <slangasek> how long ago was -13 uploaded?
[00:59] <Noskcaj> september 2nd
[00:59] <slangasek> hmm
[00:59] <slangasek> can you file a bug against the udd project about this?
[01:00] <Noskcaj> I'm not sure what to do, where, and i haven't checked the package import myself. but i'll try once i've had lunch
[01:42] <xnox> slangasek: Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/videocut doesn't know about -13 and -14 uploads. So i'd take it up with AA, e.g. cjwatson can check via videocut didn't sync.
[01:42] <xnox> and udd, only takes stuff that launchpad has imported.
[01:42] <xnox> s/via/why/
[01:43] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks
[06:42] <mitya57> German text in videocut's 02-desktop-keywords.diff looks suspicious to me
[08:09] <Noskcaj> stokachu, Do you plan to merge keepalived? If not, i could do it
[08:09] <Noskcaj> (i think)
[08:49] <Noskcaj> kirkland, roaksoax: I've made some progress on testdrive in debian, some DDs are willing to take a look. Could one of you try and fix up the manpage(s)?
[10:28] <brainwash> so apparently nobody is able to resolve bug 1183580, why not simply distribute a working version of that library if it's not possible to build it properly?
[10:29] <brainwash> reported on 2013-05-23 :/
[10:46] <Ampelbein> brainwash: Because Ubuntu can't just distribute binaries that were built on Debian. It may or may not work currently, but there is no guarantee that it will work in the future.
[10:47] <Ampelbein> brainwash: For starters, this bug should have been reported to the developers of the software
[10:49] <brainwash> Ampelbein: the devs? who would that be?
[10:49] <Ampelbein> brainwash: According to the Homepage: field in debian/control: http://rusxmms.sourceforge.net/
[10:50] <brainwash> but there is nothing wrong with the debian package
[10:50] <Ampelbein> brainwash: The build environment in Ubuntu is different from Debian
[10:51] <Ampelbein> And if I were the developer, I sure would want to know that my software doesn't work when compiled in Ubunut.
[10:52] <brainwash> some might say it's ubuntu's fault
[10:52] <brainwash> and not care about this
[10:52] <Ampelbein> They are free to say what they want.
[10:54] <Ampelbein> If the developers are saying that they don't care, Ubuntu would be better off removing the software from the repository.
[10:54] <brainwash> the package maintainer should make sure that the package isn't broken
[10:56] <Ampelbein> Yes, but apparently no-one from MOTU/Ubuntu-Dev uses this particular software.
[10:56] <Ampelbein> So there isn't really a package maintainer in Ubuntu.
[10:57] <Ampelbein> I'm not disputing the fact that there is a bug in the package, btw. I'm just saying that it would help to notify the developers of this bug so they can possibly provide a fix.
[10:58] <brainwash> right, first we would need to test the latest upstream release I assume
[10:58] <Ampelbein> Comment 12 indicates that the new upstream fixes the problem
[11:00] <brainwash> maybe someone could build a new package, so we can test it in trusty and backport then
[11:05] <Ampelbein> let me try
[11:11] <brainwash> Ampelbein: thanks :)
[11:26] <Ampelbein> brainwash: I think I've identified the patch fixing the problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6431321/
[11:27] <Ampelbein> brainwash: I'll upload a package to my ppa, would you be available to test the resulting package?
[11:32] <brainwash> Ampelbein: sure
[11:34] <Ampelbein> brainwash: https://launchpad.net/~amoog/+archive/ppa will have saucy and trusty packages in about an hour (according to the build start estimate)
[11:37] <brainwash> Ampelbein: alright
[12:41] <brainwash> Ampelbein: your package does fix the segfault (trusty), good work :)
[20:22] <brainwash> Ampelbein: do you plan to write the SRU request for bug 1183580?
[20:23] <Ampelbein> brainwash: It's on my agenda
[20:23] <brainwash> Ampelbein: ok, thanks :)
[20:23] <Ampelbein> But if you want to do it, I'm not stopping you ;)
[20:23] <Ampelbein> Note however that the package first needs to get sponsored in trusty
[20:23] <brainwash> haven't done something like this yet, so I don't want to mess up
[20:23] <brainwash> right
[21:07] <Noskcaj> Can someone please merge gnome-control-center? the package rygel can be synced one 3.8 is in trusty
[21:20] <TheMuso`> doko: Previous versions of libdotconf didn't have a soname, and the new upstream maintainer fixed it.


[00:02] <cjwatson> xperia: http://www.tcl.tk/cgi-bin/tct/tip/330.html - see for example http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/users/cjwatson/vigor.git/tree/debian/patches/tcl-interp-result.patch for how to fix this
[00:26] <xperia> cjwatson: thanks for the tip. will look into it.


[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> Hey JontheEchidna
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> hello
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> hows the transition back to normality?
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> well, it's the weekend and I am now doing normal weekend things, so pretty ok I suppose
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> :) That's about where I'm at.
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> I tossed the email today for council
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> cool, good luck
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> :) Up to the members to vote :)
[02:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.
[02:24]  * ScottK just got home.
[08:14] <bambee> morning
[09:10] <bambee> OH MY.... we cannot generate code from a kcfg in python ? o_O
[09:16] <bambee> well, I found this tool http://gitorious.net/pykconfigcompiler. But there is any support on upstream...
[09:18] <bambee> ooh I found
[09:18] <bambee> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fmalcorps%2Fpykconfigcompiler.git&a=summary
[09:19] <bambee> however, It's in scratch...
[09:38] <apachelogger> pyth0rn ftw!
[09:38] <bambee> so If I move kcm-userconfig into kdereview, it will depend on a project which is in scratch... lovely o_O
[09:38] <apachelogger> then you might as well not move to kdereview as that is a showstopper
[09:40] <bambee> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=130467628126714&w=2
[09:40] <bambee> that's not what christoph said
[09:41] <valorie> how was everybody's journey home?
[09:42] <valorie> and how was your sister's wedding, apachelogger?
[09:45] <apachelogger> valorie: that is before DS
[09:45] <apachelogger> bambee: "If it has matured, it can be
[09:45] <apachelogger> moved to kdereview."
[09:46] <apachelogger> if your code depends on code that is essentially non-existant from a maintenance POV, then it is not mature
[09:47] <apachelogger> I mean, if you target extragear that *might* be fine
[09:48] <apachelogger> but since the plan is to get userconfig to KDE you'd be bound by its release policy, thus the depended-upon thing also is bound by the release policy of KDE
[09:48] <bambee> apachelogger: that's I said it will depend on code that is in scratch... so move my code into kdereview is not possible
[09:48] <apachelogger> or the other way around really ^^
[09:48] <apachelogger> you cannot release KDE with broken software ^^
[09:49] <apachelogger> bambee: yeah, port to c++ :P
[09:53] <bambee> apachelogger: don't tempt me, I am frustrated :P
[10:02] <apachelogger> awww
[10:02]  * Hobbsee waves
[10:02]  * apachelogger hugs bambee and tries not to let a "told ya" slip out :P
[10:02]  * Hobbsee is installing kubuntu-desktop again.  Looks shiny!
[10:03] <apachelogger> uhhh, Hobbsee!
[10:03]  * apachelogger hugs Hobbsee
[10:03] <apachelogger> hellos
[10:03] <Hobbsee> hey apachelogger :)
[10:03]  * Hobbsee hugs back
[10:05] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: how are you?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: pretty good :)
[10:06] <Hobbsee> you?
[10:06] <apachelogger> insanely tired from UDS :D
[10:06] <Hobbsee> hehe, sounds normal
[10:06] <Hobbsee> but not ubuflu'd?
[10:08] <jussi> Hobbsee: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:08] <jussi> how you doing? hows married life treating you?
[10:08] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: no, never ever had that :P
[10:09]  * apachelogger is one of the special few people that can sustain speed even after UDS :P
[10:09] <apachelogger> valorie was quite shocked I believe
[10:10]  * apachelogger wonders why it seems impossible for launchpad to send out mails that are easily filterable in gmail
[10:11] <valorie> apachelogger is indeed made of iron
[10:11] <valorie> very swift iron
[10:11] <valorie> hi Hobbsee, nice to see you over here
[10:18] <bambee> apachelogger: rhaaaa :P
[10:24] <bambee> apachelogger: I never said you was wrong, I just say it's too long to rewrite it completly in cpp, If  all of the planned features must be done for oneiric... (keep in mind that I am alone on this project). Also the eternal question: why completly rewrite a working software?
[10:28] <apachelogger> bambee: social reasons, maintenance reasons, requirements reasons, dependency reasons... :P
[10:29] <bambee> right
[10:33] <apachelogger> bambee: I am not saying it makes the most sense to do it, but there are certainly advantages from eliminating the python parts from the dependency stack
[10:33] <apachelogger> and not because it is python, but because they add an intermediate layer between the c++ technology of kde/qt and the application
[10:34] <apachelogger> whether the advantages from using python outweigh this is a question the maintainer has to answer :P
[10:36] <bambee> the software was originally written in python, so it's not my own decision
[10:38] <apachelogger> bambee: since you are the one maintaining it, it is IMHO
[10:44] <apachelogger> ulysses: ping
[10:44] <bambee> apachelogger: pykde restricts some features that I would add to userconfig... (like kauth and kcfg) , it's a good argument. The problem is, I am not sure to have time enough to rewrite it completly for oneiric. Also rewrite it reduces the maturity implicitly...
[10:45] <apachelogger> bambee: if you manage to rewrite it for annoy-rick then we are good for LTS and that is what I care about in terms of maturity at this point
[10:45] <apachelogger> another option would be to have the python version in one-eye-rick, but then I do not see the cpp version going into LTS exactly because of maturity
[10:45] <apachelogger> bambee: what if you had more developers?
[10:47] <apachelogger> maco: that accessibility mail is tldr;
[10:48] <apachelogger> shortcuts are a tricky thing, the less you have global the better
[10:49] <bambee> if some developers help me, it's possible, I think.
[10:49] <apachelogger> valorie: ping
[10:49] <valorie> apachelogger: pong
[10:49] <valorie> now we're playing table tennis!
[10:50] <apachelogger> bambee: you think? :D
[10:51] <bambee> tsss :P
[10:53] <apachelogger> rdieter: ping, does fedora have interest and cpp programmer resources to rewrite python user management software to cpp for inclusion in kde?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> hey jussi, valorie
[11:00] <valorie> argh, 3am
[11:01] <valorie> I need to shut down IRC or I'll never go to bed!
[11:01] <valorie> niters all
[12:08] <Quintasan> !@$#%^$#^
[12:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[12:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pogo
[12:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I need your minion ^^
[12:08] <Quintasan> oh
[12:09] <Quintasan> Let me handle that after I have my Sundayish family dinner
[12:09] <apachelogger> sure
[12:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why did you ping?
[12:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have time to pre-screen a blog post?
[12:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: because you wanted something from me and I had no idea what could it be at that time
[12:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger: how long?
[12:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I think it was about your minon :)
[12:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: rather short
[12:12] <Nightrose> ok
[12:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what do you exactly want from my minion?
[12:14] <apachelogger> to write a kio slave for dlna using libdlna
[12:16] <Quintasan> one has the skills but no time
[12:16] <Quintasan> let me ask the rest
[12:17]  * bambee is also looking for a minion, to programme in userconfig :P
[12:18]  * bambee returns to his family dinner
[12:19] <Nightrose> bambee: i might have a spare season of kde student if you are willing to mentor
[12:20] <Nightrose> ^ same for any other nice project people are willing to mentor
[12:21] <bambee> Nightrose: unfortunately I cannot, I am doing an internship :(
[12:22] <Nightrose> ok
[12:22] <bambee> I've no time enough to mentor someone all the time
[13:18] <debfx> ScottK: why does quassel conflict with quassel-core? that seem unnecessary
[13:21] <debfx> apachelogger: kubuntu council elections are every year
[13:23] <apachelogger> oh true
[13:27] <tsimpson> debfx: because the "quassel" package is client and core maybe, if you have quassel-core, you probably want quassel-client instead
[13:31] <yofel> well, "quassel" is the monolithic client which has the core integrated
[13:31] <yofel> *If* they don't share the same database it shouldn't be a problem to have both installed
[13:32] <yofel> (except confusing people)
[13:32] <debfx> tsimpson: that's not a reason to make them conflict
[13:36] <debfx> they don't share the same database, quassel-core is a daemon that runs in its own user
[13:38] <apachelogger> it might not be necessary any more
[13:39] <apachelogger> IIRC quasselcore and quassel caused weird issues, though back in the days quasselcore was not entirely separated (config and data wise)
[13:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[14:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: pong
[14:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: What is the most simple app like sendmail? I need to make caff somehow send the signed keys and sendmail is not even trying to help me :/
[14:02] <ScottK> debfx: When they were made to conflict, IIRC, it was actually necessary.
[14:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: Sendmail is approximately the most complicated choice you could possibly choose.
[14:03] <ScottK> Quintasan: I find postfix quite easy to set up for this, but I'm also used to it.  That would be my suggestion, but I'm sure there are simpler ones that I'm not aware of.
[14:03] <Quintasan> cool, I'd google for gmail relay for postfix then
[14:03] <Quintasan> Thanks
[14:04] <debfx> ScottK: ok, I'll remove it then
[14:04] <ScottK> Quintasan: That's a reasonably common setup, so there should be how-to's on it.
[14:37] <Quintasan> :/
[14:37]  * Quintasan is wondering what the hell is he doing wrong
[14:53]  * Quintasan imported all signed copies of his keys but they Signer name does not appear
[14:53] <Quintasan> no matter what I do
[15:10] <debfx> ScottK: the last two quassel versions aren't in the bzr repository
[15:11] <shadeslayer> valorie: well .... i needed a PandaBoard because it has WLAN ....
[15:11] <shadeslayer> and dual processors :P
[15:12] <shadeslayer> PandaBoard is the next iteration of BeagleBoard with loads of improvement actually
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you think KDE will run properly with 512 MB
[15:13] <shadeslayer> *MB
[15:13] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:13] <shadeslayer> *MB's of RAm
[15:13] <shadeslayer> keyboard fail
[15:14] <bambee> shadeslayer: the pandaboard has not 1GB ?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:14] <shadeslayer> bambee: bb has 512megs
[15:14] <bambee> aaah
[15:14] <bambee> bb
[15:14] <bambee> ok
[15:14] <bambee> :)
[15:14] <shadeslayer> no point in asking for one if i can't run KDE on 512 MB of RAM :P
[15:15] <bambee> I've 512MB of RAM on my toshiba ac100, it's a bit slow but it works :)
[15:15] <shadeslayer> do you have kool graphics and stuff?
[15:15] <bambee> I tested only with plasma netbook, I suppose it's better with plasma active
[15:15] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:15] <shadeslayer> probably
[15:16] <shadeslayer> but still no WLAN module :(
[15:16] <bambee> ac100 is very very experimental actually, 3d effects don't work yet :\
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:17] <shadeslayer> the problem is that i'm getting a pb for twice the price here
[15:17] <shadeslayer> costs ~7000 INR in the US and they're selling it for ~14000 INR here
[16:44]  * apachelogger sings about headaches and ballmer's peaks and stuff
[16:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I shall blog me answ0r
[16:48] <apachelogger> also I shall sing so everyone loves me
[16:48] <apachelogger> row row row ye boat gently down the stream
[16:48] <apachelogger> and if you see a one-eye'd-rick dont forget to scream
[17:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: the workspace switcher breaks krunner
[17:18] <apachelogger> when switching to netbook
[17:18] <apachelogger> I have no idea why upstream thinks that one needs no krunner when plasma netbook is used, but I very much think it sucks
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> debfx: http://i.imgur.com/XY7i8.png building a new house and I saw this outside
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> 3 creepers plus a zombie
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which answer?
[17:25] <apachelogger> 42
[17:25] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Kubuntu on a beagleboard sound interesting?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i don't see shit
[17:26] <apachelogger> perhaps
[17:27] <debfx> JontheEchidna: heh, the zombies are harmless but creeper freak me out
[17:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or would you rather have Kubuntu on a pandaboard?
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> eff: http://i.imgur.com/PyieD.png
[17:28] <apachelogger> perhaps
[17:28] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> (creepers explode)
[17:29]  * apachelogger wonders whether his laptop is back from dell service yet
[17:29] <apachelogger> I rather need me kernel sources
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> behoild, intel graphics drivers: http://i.imgur.com/aMjVB.png
[17:30] <shadeslayer> ouch
[17:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:31] <apachelogger> that is what you get for mocking the mighty intel
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the only difference between the 2 boards is that the pb has a dual core processor, 1GB RAM and a WLAN chip and the bb has a single core processor, 512 MB RAM, and no WLAN chip
[17:33] <debfx> I'm surprised minecraft even runs on intel
[17:33] <shadeslayer> oh ... and it's OMAP3530 vs OMAP4
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> X froze soon after :P
[17:34] <debfx> JontheEchidna: that's why I've built http://i.imgur.com/iTCwb.png around my house
[17:34] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: <apachelogger> that is what you get for mocking the mighty intel
[17:35] <debfx> JontheEchidna: how well does it run on intel (except the freezes ;) )?
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> I get pretty good FPS with these settings: http://i.imgur.com/X1S24.png
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> it's a bit worse in very open spaces, but it's probably 20-30
[17:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wah?
[17:37]  * apachelogger blinks
[17:37]  * apachelogger blinks some more
[17:37]  * apachelogger faints
[17:37] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> oh yes! finally!!!
[17:37] <shadeslayer> i succeed in making apachelogger faint
[17:37]  * apachelogger concludes to not talk about arm boards with shadeslayer until shadeslayer read all about arm
[17:38] <debfx> on radeon I only have ~15 fps
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> is there a way to find out fore sure?
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, I also installed the optimine mod which helped a bit
[17:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also, IMHO the major difference between the two boards is that panda development is utter useless right now as there are only like 3 consumer ready devices on the market that use omap4
[17:39] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> wow, my graphics card really does *not* like it when I alt-tab away from minecraft for any extended amount of time
[17:39] <debfx> JontheEchidna: pressing f3
[17:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah .. i might just talk gibberish because of the mind numbing equations i'm going through
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> aah, let me restart once again and I'll see
[17:40] <shadeslayer> and the fact that my desk is filled up with books
[17:40] <apachelogger> which equastions?
[17:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are going to join and quit all the time again? :P
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: huge laplace transforms and stuff ... control system engineering
[17:41] <apachelogger> ah
[17:41] <apachelogger> excuses again
[17:41] <ScottK> debfx: Sorry about that (quassel not in bzr)
[17:41] <ScottK> If someone could verify the pending quassel SRU, that would help a lot.
[17:41] <debfx> ScottK: I've done that already
[17:41] <ScottK> Great.
[17:42] <debfx> I wanted to suggest using the udd branch
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah, installs and works fine
[17:42] <debfx> but it is broken
[17:43] <ScottK> I think udd is still too unreliable and immature for regular use.
[17:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Which workspace switcher?
[17:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://i.imgur.com/mDGMK.png
[17:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: How so?  Upstream problem in any case.
[17:46] <apachelogger> it places a krunner.desktop with hidden=true in .kde/share/autostart
[17:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: the upstreamness of the issue depends on the POV
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> debfx: about 17-20 fps in a normal outside space
[17:47] <ScottK> It's not a patch we have that does that, is it?
[17:47] <apachelogger> as kubuntu netbook by default has a krunner, switching to plasma-desktop and back to netbook will not restore the original kubuntu-netbook behaviour
[17:47] <ScottK> Upstream netbook has it too.
[17:47] <ScottK> That's not a kubuntuism.
[17:47] <apachelogger> don't think so
[17:48] <apachelogger> as upstream you can only log into kubuntu-desktop
[17:48] <apachelogger> eh
[17:48] <apachelogger> plasma-desktop
[17:48] <ScottK> The first run on netbook bits are distro changes.
[17:48] <apachelogger> so the only way to switch to netbook is first install plasma-desktop, login, use that KCM and switch to plasma-netbook
[17:48] <ScottK> The problem doesn't happen then?
[17:49] <apachelogger> no, because the "default" upstream setup will then have no krunner
[17:49] <apachelogger> so it is not really an upstream issue IMHO
[17:49] <apachelogger> to resolve it at kubuntu level we either deactivate krunner by default or patch the kcm to not make krunner disappear
[17:50] <apachelogger> (former would require release notes or we might end up with complaints)
[17:50] <ScottK> OK.  Please make it so...
[17:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: deactivate krunner?
[17:52] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: what were your results from the session on Friday?
[17:52] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: kwin is awesome
[17:52] <mgraesslin> yes we know :-D
[17:53] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-kubuntu-kwin-opengles/
[17:54] <apachelogger> (not yet cleaned up)
[17:54] <mgraesslin> btw neither NVIDIA nor FGLRX support GLES
[17:54] <mgraesslin> better said, they don't support EGL
[17:54] <apachelogger> "support" as in "support" or "not working at all"?
[17:55]  * apachelogger needs to cleanup the notes btw
[17:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna cleanup the notes/
[17:55] <apachelogger> ?
[17:55] <mgraesslin> let's say it like that: I did not find any information on how to get an EGL context on NVIDIA developer website
[17:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[17:55] <mgraesslin> the GLX driver supports GLES, but it seems like not EGL
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will it take time?
[17:56] <ScottK> Actually krunner and netbook don't play together well anyway.
[17:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[17:56] <shadeslayer> no then
[17:56] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: who cares about egl anyway :P
[17:57] <mgraesslin> my code does :-)
[17:57] <apachelogger> ^^
[17:58] <apachelogger> we should switch to eggwm, I see :P
[17:59] <mgraesslin> so above of EGL or GLX, there are the same code pathes
[17:59] <mgraesslin> that is on NVIDIA it's like using GLES
[17:59] <apachelogger> debfx: was it you who moved the bzr branches around?
[17:59] <debfx> apachelogger: no, probably ScottK
[18:00] <ScottK> Wasn't me.
[18:00]  * ScottK blames Quintasan.
[18:01] <yofel> actually it was me IIRC
[18:01] <apachelogger> oh yofel
[18:01]  * ScottK reassigns blame.
[18:01] <apachelogger> yofel: you might want to consider moving lp:~kubuntu-netbook/kubuntu-netbook/default-settings around too or so
[18:02]  * apachelogger almost did not find that thing
[18:02] <yofel> first time I see ~kubuntu-netbook o.O
[18:04] <apachelogger> oh, also we did not change it to the new versioning scheme
[18:04]  * apachelogger fix0rs away
[18:05] <yofel> apachelogger: move it to ...? -members? Or should the core-devs have commit rights too?
[18:08] <apachelogger> yofel: packagers
[18:08] <apachelogger> IMHO everything in the archive should be in packagers, but that might just be my opionion
[18:09] <apachelogger> bleh
[18:09] <apachelogger> even branching kds takes forever
[18:12] <yofel> well, sounds reasonable, moving
[18:12] <ScottK> It should all be packagers.
[18:12] <yofel> *anything* ?
[18:17] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-netbook-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (8 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[18:17] <CIA-51> * Add krunner.desktop to prevent it from autostart. This behaviour is also
[18:17] <CIA-51> implemented by upstream's workspace switcher KCM. so eventually users did not
[18:20] <ScottK> yofel: Anything that was under ~kuubntu-members and whatver other kubuntu specific stuff might be in the wrong place.
[18:23] <yofel> k
[18:23]  * yofel goes moving what was left
[18:26] <apachelogger> yay
[18:26] <apachelogger> soprano debug spam when starting dolphin
[18:26] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:26] <apachelogger> useful technology ftw
[20:34] <bambee> a subtitle feature is planned for phonon one day ?
[20:43] <afiestas> bambee: afaik it is already supported in some way
[20:43] <afiestas> even if it is by "accident" by putting the same name to both, video and subtitle
[20:43] <afiestas> (at least that should work on the vlc backend imho)
[20:43] <bambee> ah ?
[20:44] <bambee> I will test it
[21:37]  * DarkwingDuck rubs eyes
[21:38] <apachelogger> afiestas, bambee: phonon-vlc supports whatever vlc supports, which has some subtitle discovery feature which should be pretty solid if only one video and multiple srts are in one folder
[21:39] <apachelogger> implicitly you could even set any random srt as subtitle using pvlc (just no app exposes that, fortunately I might say)
[21:39] <apachelogger> no clue about phonon-gstreamer
[21:39] <apachelogger> explicit file selection is very crapzy anyway IMHO
[21:39] <apachelogger> totally 1990's
[21:40] <apachelogger> yo DarkwingDuck
[21:46] <bambee> apachelogger: there is a workaround for the xine backend. it's possible to concat "#subtitle:<path_to_my_srt>" to the mrl. at least with a simple test program
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> How are you apachelogger?
[21:47] <apachelogger> insanely tired + I should be doing homework or somesuch -.-
[21:47] <apachelogger> bambee: use case?
[21:48] <bambee> at least it worked with phonon 4.4...
[21:52] <bambee> apachelogger: http://www.xine-project.org/faq#avisubtitles
[21:59] <apachelogger> use case :P
[21:59] <apachelogger> with pvlc you just pass a subtitle descriptor with a type=file to it
[22:04] <bambee> aaarf
[23:57] <saLOUt> it would be nice if someone could help me to turn my opensuse spec file into a (k)ubuntu equivalent for my toy project kubeplayer (https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/multimedia/kubeplayer)


[13:43] <mhall119> good morning
[13:48] <mhall119> mdke: pink
[13:54] <jbicha> mhall119: purple ;)
[13:54] <mhall119> no, definitely pink


[11:14] <TandyUK> anythign wrong with "mythbuntu.org" im unable to resolve it
[12:36] <TandyUK> ok doing a dist upgrade from 12.x to 14.x is fking useless
[12:37] <TandyUK> i have a highpoint raid controller, which had all the drivers
[12:37] <TandyUK> after the reboot for the 14.04 upgrade, it hasnt put the raid controller driver in my initrd
[12:38] <TandyUK> thus cant boot, just sits in an infinite loop trying to load my root fs
[13:28] <TandyUK> YEAH CONFIRMED
[13:28] <TandyUK> the dns provider for mythbuntu.org appears to have deleted the zone
[15:18] <TandyUK> anyone alive here?
[15:18] <TandyUK> Im trying to update a mythbuntu systemn for a friend
[15:18] <TandyUK> not sure quite what to do while mythbuntu.org is down
[15:19] <TandyUK> anyone know if its coming back?
[15:35] <tgm4883> Interesting
[15:42] <tgm4883> TandyUK: working on it. What do you need from it?
[15:44] <TandyUK> well i got the website via google
[15:44] <TandyUK> but for example the list of repos in mybuntu-control-center doesnt work atm
[15:44] <TandyUK> im trying to update a mates myth box to 14.04
[15:45] <TandyUK> https://sites.google.com/a/mythbuntu.org  for anyone else who needs it
[15:45] <TandyUK> https://sites.google.com/a/mythbuntu.org/website/ even
[16:00] <tgm4883> TandyUK: you can skip the repo list and do it via command line if you want
[16:00] <tgm4883> what version of ubuntu and mythtv are you going to?
[16:00] <TandyUK> WELL ATM IT SEEMS THE DIST UPGRADE TO 14.04 HAS SCREWED MY BOX
[16:00] <TandyUK> soz caps
[16:01] <TandyUK> 14.04 doesnt include drivers for my raid controller
[16:01] <TandyUK> after a fight to get them built and installed, it now seems theyre flaky and causing FS corruption on my /
[16:01] <TandyUK> now its refusing to even let me mount / rw as it says device is write protected
[16:01] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:01] <tgm4883> what card?
[16:01] <TandyUK> highpoint rr620
[16:02] <TandyUK> it was hassle with 12.04, but not this bad
[16:02] <TandyUK> i was trying to avoid a clean install, but i think im not gonna have a choice at this rate
[16:03] <tgm4883> I've not dealt with highpoint cards in about 10 years..
[16:03] <TandyUK> it was just a cheap raid card so my root had a backup
[16:03] <TandyUK> mobo only has 6 sata ports, 5 of which are used by 2tb drives (in rad 6)


[12:58] <joeubuntu> morning.
[12:59] <ddstreet> o/
[12:59] <cpaelzer> hi MIR-party people
[12:59] <cpaelzer> joeubuntu: ddstreet: didrocks: jamespage: sarnold: doko: o/
[13:00] <cpaelzer> let's get this started
[13:00] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[13:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 12 13:00:27 2020 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:00] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[13:00] <didrocks> hey
[13:01] <cpaelzer> #1 of last week (and before) was finding a new time for the meeting
[13:01] <cpaelzer> to allow US-west to have a better chance
[13:01] <cpaelzer> in the meantime doko added his availability and 90min after the current time seems to be the best option still
[13:01] <cpaelzer> there was one question sleft
[13:01] <cpaelzer> which is which timezone (and thereby daylight saving we anchor this to)
[13:02] <cpaelzer> so far it is anchored to Europe/Berlin
[13:02] <doko> hi
[13:02] <cpaelzer> and I'd suggest to keep it that way - and opinions to not do so?
[13:02] <didrocks> I’m fine with that (we can adjust for the 2 intermediate weeks when everyone hasn’t switched yet)
[13:02] <cpaelzer> maybe since everone has e.g. US-anchored meetings around that time?
[13:03] <cpaelzer> didrocks: I agree - those two weeks won't hurt too much
[13:03] <cpaelzer> didrocks: also more and more regions stop switching
[13:03] <cpaelzer> and we can revisit if ever this becomes a permanent problem
[13:03] <ddstreet> could anchor it to UTC
[13:03] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: which means it moves for everone all the time :-/
[13:03] <didrocks> cpaelzer: hopefully, Europe will finally do it after last year vote as well :)
[13:03] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: we had that in other meetings and it didn't work well for us
[13:04] <ddstreet> except people who don't use dst, isn't europe dropping it?
[13:04] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: that is the plann
[13:04] <cpaelzer> but who knows
[13:04] <didrocks> (not done yet though)
[13:04] <joeubuntu> 90 minutes later sounds great to me.
[13:04] <cpaelzer> ok - to make progress - I'll shift it by 90min back and keep it in Europe/Berlin - we will revisit if that becomes an issue for anyone
[13:04] <ddstreet> sounds good
[13:04] <cpaelzer> 10 seconds to intervene otherwise this is decided ...
[13:05] <ddstreet> i think your 10 second timer is slow ;)
[13:05] <didrocks> ddstreet: depending on which TZ :p
[13:05] <cpaelzer> hehe
[13:06] <cpaelzer> I was checking who owns the meeting as he is the one changing it for everyone
[13:06] <cpaelzer> doko: seems to be you
[13:06] <cpaelzer> I'd do the wiki update, would you bump the meeting by 90minutes then?
[13:06] <doko> ok
[13:06] <joeubuntu> woot sarnold can join more easily now.
[13:06] <cpaelzer> that was part of why we discussed that
[13:06] <cpaelzer> give me a few secs now
[13:07] <cpaelzer> ok
[13:07] <cpaelzer> topic #2
[13:07] <cpaelzer> I've sent an info to all of you that I'd like to allow the meeting "host" to precheck the links and bug lists and skip agenda-entries if there is nothing
[13:07] <cpaelzer> I just want to make this more efficient for everyone
[13:08] <cpaelzer> the text I sent I'd add to the wiki as well
[13:08] <cpaelzer> unless there are problems with that suggestion
[13:08] <cpaelzer> so are there any?
[13:08] <ddstreet> +1
[13:08] <didrocks> as responded on the email, +1 on that
[13:08] <doko> I assume if someone is forgetting that he is host, we'll have the meeting anyway
[13:09] <joeubuntu> +1
[13:09] <cpaelzer> exactly
[13:09] <doko> ok
[13:09] <cpaelzer> great
[13:09] <cpaelzer> #2 done as well
[13:09] <cpaelzer> thanks
[13:09] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[13:09] <cpaelzer> that has a few new entries
[13:09] <cpaelzer> not sure if anyone has context on these thou
[13:09] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[13:09] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[13:10] <cpaelzer> freeradius/maas/gpsd/apport are covered afaik
[13:10] <cpaelzer> we only need to talk about the others
[13:10] <cpaelzer> does anyone have background (or feel like your team is responsible to resolve) debian-goodies / kazoo / sphinx / paramiko /libmoox-struct-perl ?
[13:11] <doko> I'll do those, these are perl/foundations
[13:11] <cpaelzer> thanks
[13:11] <cpaelzer> and in general we are early in the cycle and none of these have to be gone this week, but sooner or later they need to be resolved as all of them represent proposed-migration being stalled by mismatches
[13:11] <cpaelzer> great next would be the bug lists
[13:11] <cpaelzer> but here the new fast-path helps
[13:12] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[13:12] <cpaelzer> is empty
[13:12] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[13:12] <cpaelzer> has one entry that I have taken care of
[13:12] <cpaelzer> no need to stall and we can go right to
[13:12] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[13:12] <cpaelzer> well, anything?
[13:12] <didrocks> nothing for me
[13:12] <cpaelzer> becasue despite my striving for efficiency I don't wnat to cut anyones right for (text)-speech :-)
[13:13]  * cpaelzer is affected by shifting-chars ....
[13:13] <doko> nothing from me
[13:14] <cpaelzer> ok
[13:14] <cpaelzer> lets add the approximate 10 seconds for any last chance
[13:14] <cpaelzer> 5
[13:14] <doko> ahh, you already fixed gpsd
[13:14] <cpaelzer> yes
[13:14] <joeubuntu> nothing for me.
[13:14] <cpaelzer> 3
[13:14] <cpaelzer> 1
[13:14] <cpaelzer> ok
[13:14] <cpaelzer> thanks everyone
[13:14] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[13:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 12 13:14:56 2020 UTC.
[13:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-05-12-13.00.moin.txt
[13:14] <joeubuntu> bye!
[13:14] <didrocks> thanks cpaelzer & everyone
[13:15] <ddstreet> thanks! o/


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[10:06] <Nafallo> jpds: done
[10:07] <jpds> Nafallo: cheers!
[22:01] <ubot4> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-uk ()