[12:26] <somerville32> !ffs
[12:26] <somerville32> !ffs
[12:32] <robin__> hello
[12:32] <robin__> this was my first time in irc
[12:32] <robin__> i have been banned from the ubu ntu help thingy
[12:32] <robin__> coz i didnt no what it was
[12:32] <robin__> i thouhgt i could talk about anything
[12:32] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: im guessing that is yours
[12:33] <robin__> ?
[12:33] <robin__> alec
[12:33] <robin__> homie
[12:34] <robin__> i dont no what to say ale
[12:34] <alecjw> robin__: #ubuntu-ops is not for chat
[12:34] <robin__> alec ure an op
[12:34] <robin__> uve gone orange
[12:35] <robin__> can i request an unban from#ubuntu pleease
[12:35] <alecjw> that means that i'm speaking to you. stop cahtting in #ubuntu-ops, or the ops wiull yell at you
[12:35] <robin__> please can i request an unban
[12:35] <robin__> from #ubuntu
[12:35] <robin__> there ae no oops
[12:36] <robin__> they arent replying
[12:36] <afraz> the are probably working
[12:36] <somerville32> robin__: Hi Robin :)
[12:36] <somerville32> robin__: The reason you were removed from #ubuntu was because you were offtopic.
[12:37] <somerville32> Offtopic discussion should occur in #ubuntu-offtopic or #freenode-social
[12:37] <afraz> hey somer who is th ops of freenode-social
[12:37] <somerville32> You can ask there.
[12:37] <somerville32> However, you are not banned from #ubuntu
[12:37] <somerville32> You were simply removed.
[12:38] <somerville32> However, if you continue to be offtopic in #ubuntu, you will be banned.
[12:38] <alecjw> somerville32: he was kicked one, he came back, and then he was banned the second tinme (i think)
[12:38] <somerville32> Offtopic discussion includes *everything* but Ubuntu support.
[12:38] <somerville32> alecjw, ah, didn't see that
[12:38] <alecjw> --- apokryphos sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:38] <afraz> somer what about mine
[12:40] <somerville32> mm
[12:40] <afraz> can i too ask or request for unban
[12:40] <somerville32> robin__: I'm afraid you'll be banned for the next 24 hours.
[12:40] <somerville32> robin__: Please visit #ubuntu-offtopic for further offtopic discussion. If you require support, you may try the alternative #xubuntu and #kubuntu support channels. Maybe someone there will be able to help you.
[12:41] <somerville32> afraz: When Seveas returns, he'll unban you.
[12:41] <afraz> are you serious
[12:41] <afraz> would he really do it???
[12:41] <TheSheep> no, but you can ask :P
[12:41] <afraz> i am scared
[12:42] <afraz> second thing i will regret the most my in my life getting banned from a channel
[12:42] <PriceChild> afraz, please give it at least 24 hours without asking
[12:42] <somerville32> lol
[12:42] <afraz> ummm what time did i get banned
[12:43] <alecjw> somerville32: he's crashed his computer and signed out. i've given him your message on msn though
[12:43] <somerville32> o
[12:43] <somerville32> k
[12:43] <somerville32> :)
[12:43] <PriceChild> afraz, about 2 this morning utc
[12:44] <afraz> thats too long but i will be here just ait for my parents to goto sleep
[12:44] <afraz> how do you ban a person for ever
[12:44] <afraz> anyways no need to answer
[12:45] <afraz> i out
[12:45] <PriceChild> afraz, please leave it at that :)
[12:45] <afraz> bye
[12:48] <maxamillion> PriceChild: hello
[12:48] <PriceChild> hey maxamillion how's it going?
[12:48] <somerville32> PriceChild: Any news on my request? : )
[12:48] <PriceChild> somerville32, not yet sorry
[12:48] <PriceChild> somerville32, its there.. just no admin comments yet
[12:48] <maxamillion> PriceChild: alright ... i was a little rude on the forums last night though
[12:48] <PriceChild> maxamillion, hehe :) we all are sometimes...
[12:48] <somerville32> Ugh oh
[12:49] <PriceChild> maxamillion, I could point out to you an EIGHT page thread where I instructed someone how to isntall java and mercury messenger.... that EIGHT pages of just me and him/her....
[12:49] <maxamillion> PriceChild: i appologized in a later post ... just wanted to warn you incase you hear something about it
[12:49] <maxamillion> lol
[12:49] <PriceChild> hehe I'm sure I'll live :)
[12:50] <PriceChild> maxamillion, they updated beryl and didn't warn me... :( my hosting's been shut down for 12 hours :(
[12:50] <maxamillion> ouch
[12:52] <PriceChild> 17,000 beryl downloads could have been served in 12 hours :O
[12:53] <maxamillion> WOW
[12:53] <maxamillion> i'm off work ... heading home
[12:53] <maxamillion> bbl
[12:53] <PriceChild> have fun
[01:42] <somerville32> http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org/ubuntu-ops/ <-- Interesting.
[01:44] <somerville32> And I talk too much
[01:46] <Hawkwind> Seems that proves that there is way too much general chit chat in here that might shouldn't be done in here really
[01:46] <somerville32> I don't think so
[01:46] <somerville32> If you look at the chart
[01:47] <Hawkwind> Seveas: I thought these stats were supposed to be different from the ones I've been doing for #Kubuntu for 8+ months ?  Seems these stats are identical to what I've got running
[01:48] <somerville32> They do look identical
[01:48] <somerville32> I was hoping that they would be the more comprehensive ones that I've seen other channels have
[01:49] <Hawkwind> I was under the impression they would have daily, weekly and monthly totals and have a lot more categories and such
[04:18] <rob> not sure why everyone needs to be serious all the time, general chitchat between ops is good for moral and team bonding
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> rob: But does it belong here or with the same people in -offtopic channels?
[04:19] <somerville32> -offtopic generally offtopic :P
[04:19] <rob> tonyyarusso: it doesn't matter, this channel is fine as long as it stops during times where the channel is needed for op related things
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> rob: Sounds reasonable to me
[04:20] <somerville32> *-offtopic is generally offtopic
[04:20] <Hobbsee> rob: +1.  people said otherwise?
[04:20] <rob> Hobbsee: Hawkwind did
[04:20] <somerville32> [20:42]  <somerville32> http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org/ubuntu-ops/ <-- Interesting.
[04:20] <somerville32> [20:43]  * PriceChild will talk less
[04:20] <somerville32> [20:44]  * somerville32 is too popular.
[04:20] <somerville32> [20:44]  <somerville32> And I talk too much
[04:20] <somerville32> [20:46]  <Hawkwind> Seems that proves that there is way too much general chit chat in here that might shouldn't be done in here really
[04:21] <PriceChild> No I just said that because i was under the impression there shouldn't be chitchat and don't want to challenge it
[04:23] <rob> PriceChild: with normal users, generally there shouldn't be (offtopic is a much better place for that), but between ops I don't see the harm in it
[04:24] <PriceChild> ok :)
[04:27] <somerville32> I was surprised to see that people say my name almost as much as Seveas' lol,
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> I was surprised I was #7
[04:28] <somerville32> Hobbsee, just made the top 20 ;]
[04:29] <Hobbsee> somerville32: hehe
[04:35] <Hawkwind> I mentioned it only because Seveas has mentioned that the general/offtopic chat shouldn't really be here that much.  Or something similar
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> I had a bit of a braindump - feedback requested:
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> An "introductions" feature in the bot similar to wpbot in #wordpress (go chill there for a while to see what I mean)
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> SOLEY for *-offtopic channels, obviously
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !hi
[04:42] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-ops!
[04:42] <somerville32> !-hi
[04:42] <ubotu> hi has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-07-11 17:20:25
[04:43] <somerville32> Hmm
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> I just realized there are a bunch of new users that I don't know, so it would be cool if we could get some sort of entrance message, I thought.
[04:44] <somerville32> From chanserv?
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> I don't think we can mess with chanserv...
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: you in the wp chan?
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> If so I can demonstrate
[04:46] <somerville32> demonstrate please
[04:47] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: just think of how many people *dont* read #ubuntu's notice on entry
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I know
[04:48] <somerville32> Most interesting
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> For Hobbsee: "22:47 < wpbot> tonyyarusso is sexah (like Ryan12) and currently at http://www.xanga.com/tonyyarusso, and looking for something else - he needs tips on plugins, hosting, and that kind of fun stuff while considering wordpress
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> (Someone else added the first part - haven't figure out how to remove yet..lol)
[04:48] <Hawkwind> You want a bot that does that or something similar ?
[04:49] <Madpilot> chanserv already does that in a number of channels. It gets ignored, just like topics
[04:49] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: ahh
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Hawkwind: I've considered it anyway.
[04:49] <Hawkwind> There are many many users that wouldn't visit a channel where that is happening.  A lot of users consider it useless spam as well
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Does cs talk in-chan, or /notice?
[04:49] <somerville32> Hawkwind, less people in -offtopic would not be a bad thing, lol
[04:50] <Hawkwind> ChanServ does it via /notice for the entry message
[04:50] <tonyyarusso> Hawkwind: I can see that, and agree it would be awful in most channels, but _possibly_ cool in offtopic ones
[04:50] <Hawkwind> somerville32: Personally, I disagree
[04:50] <Hawkwind> somerville32: I don't go to -offtopic channels because of what they are for, I'd be less inclined to go if there was a bot that does something like that or similar
[04:51] <tonyyarusso> Can you be more specific Hawkwind ?
[04:51] <somerville32> #ubuntu-offtopic is disgusting and lacking much need moderation. Why anyone would want to spend time there is beyond me as it is almost to a point where you can't enjoy it.
[04:52] <Hawkwind> tonyyarusso: My personal opinion/feeling is on those kinds of things is that it's script kiddie stuff(from being on a server that was nothing but that for a long time) and it's nothing less than absolutely annoying
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> Noted somerville32
[04:52] <Hawkwind> It fills the buffer unnecessarily and such, and just not attractive.  Not something I like and it would keep me from ever joining said channel(s)
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> Hawkwind: But, considering that you're not the sort who enjoys offtopic channels as it is, do you think it's possible that crowd may feel differently
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> ?
[04:52] <Hawkwind> somerville32: Unfortunately, a big majority of -offtopic channels are like that.  It's what they are made for unfortunately
[04:53] <Hawkwind> tonyyarusso: Possible, but chances are, most of them won't
[04:53] <Hawkwind> tonyyarusso: Only thing is, you can get the opinions of the regulars and that helps, but then the ones you have to really worry about are the new users
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> Hawkwind: Perhaps I'll do some informal polling for a few weeks
[04:54] <Madpilot> PriceChild, nah, #ubuntu-offtopic is more akin to the Forum's 'Cafe' forums - nowhere near as strange as the Backyard could get
[04:54] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, a test run would most likely be better
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: true
[04:55] <Hawkwind> tonyyarusso: Might be a good idea.  Just tossing something like into the channel will certainly cause mixed reactions that really shouldn't be done within the channel
[04:55] <PriceChild> Madpilot, hehe debatable
[04:55] <somerville32> It is the only way to find out
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Also, feel free to direct feedback on #ubuntu-offtopic moderation to me - I've generally been pretty lenient, but get the feeling I need to crack down a bit given some recent directions.
[04:55] <Hawkwind> The problem is that users won't always complain in pm, they do it in the main channel, and that's what is going to cause an even bigger issue
[04:56] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, I don't even visit there anymore
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> I can test it in a personal channel and invite people :)
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: ah, ok
[04:56] <somerville32> Hawkwind, How so?
[04:56] <somerville32> -offtopic is just full of crap anhow
[04:56] <somerville32> Discussion of sex, drugs, sexual orientation, violence, etc.
[04:56] <somerville32> *crap*
[04:56] <Hawkwind> somerville32: As an op, you don't want to add more crap to the channel.  You want to clean it up
[04:57] <somerville32> Hawkwind, But I thought you said thats what -offtopic is for
[04:57] <Hawkwind> So as an op you try to keep as much of that *out* of the channel that you can.  Throwing that bot in there is just going to add to it
[04:57] <Hawkwind> somerville32: That's how they end up due to lack of proper moderation and such
[04:57] <somerville32> I mentioned it to Seveas and he said no
[04:58] <somerville32> Half the ops in -offtopic don't even visit there anymore
[04:58] <somerville32> And there is no point in trying to "peer moderate"
[04:58] <somerville32> They just tell you to stfu and call you a noob
[04:58] <somerville32> And then you try to tell an op and they say "You, as an op, should have a tougher skin"
[04:59] <somerville32> lol
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ...
[05:00] <Hobbsee> then you tell them off for disobeying the COC.
[05:01] <somerville32> The user or the op? ;p
[05:03] <Hawkwind> Surely banning them for saying such things would solve some problems
[05:05] <Hobbsee> the user, but the op if they do the same
[05:07] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Yup but unfortunately that only provokes them further
[05:07] <somerville32> #ubuntu-offtopic simply needs more dedicated ops that actually visit the channel to help moderate it
[05:08] <Hobbsee> so does #ubuntu
[05:08] <somerville32> Someone besides me will have to chat with Seveas because I think I've used up all my whining points ;]
[05:09] <linux_kid> #ubuntu-offtopic could seriously use some more ops.  the current ops could scope out frequent users and ask them to become ops maybe?
[05:10] <somerville32> I rather just add existing ops from other channels
[05:10] <somerville32> Though that might not be enough
[05:10] <somerville32> And we might have to ask some trustworthy users
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: :)
[05:11] <linux_kid> yes, existing ops work, too
[05:11] <somerville32> lol
[05:11] <somerville32> and maybe Travis could be forgiven by now ;]
[05:12] <Amaranth> All issues have been resolved, afaik.
[05:12] <Amaranth> So it's just Seveas now
[05:13] <Hobbsee> pity he hasnt been here for 7 hours
[05:13] <somerville32> s/Seveas/IRC Council
[05:13] <Hobbsee> right, so it's nalioth too then
[05:13] <Amaranth> Did the 3rd spot ever get filled?
[05:14] <Amaranth> I seem to have been unsubscribed from the ml too
[05:14] <Amaranth> or no one posts to it anymore
[05:14] <somerville32> Amaranth, subscribe again then
[05:14] <somerville32> :)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: no one posts to it
[05:16] <Hobbsee> iirc
[07:09] <mneptok> hrm
[07:10] <mneptok> 01:09 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- An access level of [10]  is required for [OP]  on #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:10] <mneptok> i'll get Seveas to add me. i idle in -offtopic and can keep an eye on things.
[07:10] <somerville32> Correction. You'll ask Seveas to add you ;]
[07:12] <mneptok> somerville32: Seveas does what i tell him to do. he knws the alternative is me asking in person, which is his greatest fear.
[07:13] <elkbuntu> do you need ops atm?
[07:13] <somerville32> hehe
[07:13] <somerville32> elkbuntu, I think he was replying to earlier discussion
[07:13] <mneptok> elkbuntu: not that i can tell
[07:13] <DBO> mneptok, the greatest fear of us all no doubt is meeting you in person
[07:13] <somerville32> mneptok, Did you diss me yet? :)
[07:13] <elkbuntu> somerville32, im hardly paying full attention, since im rather busy at the moment
[07:13] <somerville32> elkbuntu, understood :)
[07:14] <somerville32> elkbuntu, good luck, btw :)
[07:14] <elkbuntu> hi DBO!
[07:14] <DBO> how are you?
[07:14] <somerville32> heh
[07:15] <elkbuntu> somerville32, it would have been damn nice if the cds canonical sent us could have included some ku and edu, so now we're trying to find a way to get the loco allocation for those, to the conf, when the person who has them cant make it to the conf :(
[07:15] <somerville32> lol
[07:15] <somerville32> Ouch
[07:16] <elkbuntu> especially when RichEd emails me and asks if i'll have cds for him to hand out
[07:16] <somerville32> lol
[07:16] <somerville32> Beautiful
[07:16] <somerville32> Get the sticks ok?
[07:16] <somerville32> *stickers
[07:17] <elkbuntu> the stickers? we got some, but we didnt get an actual conference pack, just a crapload of cds
[07:17] <somerville32> blog about it yet? ;]
[07:18] <elkbuntu> no, it's not worth it
[07:18] <elkbuntu> i'll have at least two canonical employees to bitch to face-to-face
[07:19] <elkbuntu> oh.. no, 3.. no, 4
[07:19] <somerville32> hehe
[07:19] <elkbuntu> start feeling sorry for jono ;)
[07:23] <elkbuntu> heh. the thing is you see, christina told me she was going to deal with it, and organise us stuff. back around when we had the marketing team meeting. marilize emailed me about 10 days ago to confirm shipping details. there was no hint of anything in between.
[07:24] <elkbuntu> so i got the cds last week, but we have had no sign of shirts, stickers, other than those included with the cds, or leaflets
[07:25] <somerville32> No shirts either!?
[07:25] <elkbuntu> nope
[07:25] <elkbuntu> someone in our team has made some iron ons with printable iron on stuff
[07:25] <elkbuntu> but it's still pretty crap
[07:25] <somerville32> lol
[07:26] <elkbuntu> if someone tells me they're going to deal with something, and tell me not to worry about it, i like said things to be pulled off
[07:29] <afraz> are you talking to me somers
[07:29] <afraz> nevermind
[07:31] <somerville32> nope
[07:38] <mneptok> elkbuntu: ping Jono re: CDs
[07:38] <elkbuntu> mneptok, i fully intend to, unless you're hinting the poor bastard is online now
[07:39] <somerville32> Someone just (I think jokingly) did a DCC exploit
[07:39] <somerville32> in #kubuntu
[07:39] <mneptok> elkbuntu: i'll try to find marilize tonight and see if she can't get some to Rich, or express them to you
[07:39] <elkbuntu> mneptok, we've already had 1000 cds delivered, all ubuntu PC
[07:40] <elkbuntu> mneptok, i really dont want to be a thorn here, just venting. peter is being a pita for us by being slow to respond re making arrangements and all
[07:42] <elkbuntu> (peter is the one with our loco allocation of cds)
[07:42] <mneptok> elkbuntu: s'ok hon. i know you're venting. and you damned well know all my cow-orkers expect me to be a right PIHA myself, so Saul Goode.
[07:42] <mneptok> *PITA
[07:50] <elkbuntu> shift is too much effort :
[07:52] <elkbuntu> mneptok, i just dont want to sound like im ungrateful. im thankful for each and every cd sitting in the boxes in my loungeroom, but i dunno, it's going to look bad for rich (and canonical) if he doesnt have any edubuntu cds to hand out
[07:52] <elkbuntu> i have 4 left over from UDS, not sure how many the others in the team have
[07:53] <mneptok> elkbuntu: *nod* the t-shirts and stickers, ehhh ... but Rich has been sent and paid for, and he needs CDs.
[07:54] <elkbuntu> yeah, the stickers are negligable. i have like 68 here, plenty of 'powered by' stickers
[07:55] <elkbuntu> the thing is, the education miniconf is monday and tuesday, which makes it damn hard for the cds to get to us now
[07:56] <somerville32> why is the locobot in #xubuntu?
[07:57] <afraz> hey somers
[07:57] <afraz> its almost 3 minutes to 2am on watch
[07:58] <afraz> can i have request to be unban please
[08:00] <afraz> is it 24hr on my ban
[08:05] <mneptok> 05:15 < RichEd> Speaking of LCA ... Jono can you bring any leftover Edubuntu CDs from BETT to Aus ?
[08:05] <mneptok> 05:16 < jono> RichEd: will try
[08:05] <mneptok> 05:16 < jono> RichEd: did melissa not order a bunch?
[08:05] <mneptok> 05:16 < RichEd> thanks ... I'll check with her as well
[08:05] <mneptok> looks like they know
[08:05] <mneptok> 05:16 < jono> RichEd: I am gonna try and cram as much in my suitcase as possible
[08:05] <mneptok> :)
[08:07] <elkbuntu> try now, afraz
[08:07] <afraz> thx
[08:07] <afraz> one mint
[08:07] <elkbuntu> mneptok, great...
[08:08] <afraz> thx
[08:09] <afraz> it works
[08:09] <somerville32> afraz: If you get banned again, it'll be longer
[08:09] <afraz> is the ban only for 24 hrs
[08:09] <somerville32> Please behave yourself in -offtopic
[08:09] <afraz> ok
[11:42] <apokryphos> the thing about -offtopic is that the people that speak there the *most* shouldn't be ops
[11:43] <Hobbsee> hah, indeed
[11:43] <Hobbsee> we're still discussing this, are we?
[11:45] <apokryphos> I just woke up and saw the comments
[11:45] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:59] <Amaranth> heh
[11:59] <Amaranth> where is the next council meeting
[11:59] <Amaranth> err, when
[12:05] <gnomefreak> tba
[12:06] <Hobbsee> *quietly
[12:06] <Hobbsee> is there to be another?
[12:07] <xipietotec> h4x! auto-ban scripts =P
[12:07] <Hobbsee> no, not autoban
[12:07] <Hobbsee> well, not really
[12:08] <Amaranth> aww
[12:08] <xipietotec> =P you must really hate that lart
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:09] <Hobbsee> well, it does get annoying, at times. when it gets really annoying, i mute the bot :P
[12:09] <xipietotec> lol
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Seveas: if and when will Amaranth get his ops back?  we need more op people in channels like #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:10] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: sure about that?
[12:11] <Amaranth> maybe not
[12:11] <Seveas> @lart 28 Hobbsee
[12:11] <Amaranth> I could do it in a PM and laugh with myself ;)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> bah
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i see i cant change larts...
[12:16] <Seveas> @lart 28 Hobbsee
[12:16] <Seveas> @lart 28 mneptok
[12:17] <Seveas> Hobbsee, you're no longer being highlighted if all is well
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i am still
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Seveas: what'd you try and do?
[12:17] <Seveas> also by the mneptok lart?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:17] <Hobbsee> oh wait, no
[12:18] <Seveas> great :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> :D
[12:34] <mneptok> "mneptok lart" what now?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> mneptok: arrr!
[12:35] <mneptok> gar!
[12:35] <mc44> @lart mneptok
[12:35] <mc44> like that?
[12:36] <mneptok> i have chunks of creeps like Bauer in my stool. coffee.
[01:46] <apokryphos> I think jrib might be an option to add as an op. Any thoughts?
[02:32] <apokryphos> TheSheep: you're not identified again :P
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:59] <GazzaK> owww, complaints Department :-)
[02:59] <GazzaK> soooooooo, how to word my complaint!
[03:00] <GazzaK> emacs!!!  why.... think of the children
[03:00] <Seveas> hehe
[03:00] <Hobbsee> this is fun :D
[03:00] <Seveas> poor Gary
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nah...
[03:04] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Ian_L said: ubotu, where is your hometown?
[03:05] <somerville32> !bot > Ian_L
[04:16] <Seveas> jenda/rob: around?
[04:29] <sebastean> I know this channel is for IRC, but do you know where to find maillist admins?
[05:41] <Seveas> sebastean<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:54] <Terry_L> hello ops...I have a question
[05:54] <DBO> hello Terry_L
[05:54] <DBO> I have an answer
[05:54] <DBO> lets see if they match
[05:54] <Terry_L> I was in #ubuntu a little while ago, and was banned for spam...how long must I wait
[05:54] <DBO> how long ago?
[05:55] <Terry_L> I was just being silly, but got banned...and I want to apologize
[05:55] <Terry_L> it was maybe an hour or two ago
[05:55] <Terry_L> ...now I really need ubuntu help
[05:55] <DBO> what name were you using?
 btw...if I continually ask the same line, will it boot me off the server?
[05:55] <Terry_L> I was listed as Ian_L
[05:56] <DBO> ahhhhh
[05:56] <DBO> ah yeah
[05:56] <DBO> 24 hours
[05:56] <Terry_L> ah
[05:56] <Terry_L> OK, well I want to say I'm sorry anyways
[05:56] <DBO> ok thank you =)
[05:56] <Terry_L> I really didn't know that doing that was bad
[05:57] <DBO> it interrupts the whole channel
[05:57] <LjL> yes you did
 Ian_L: don't be a moron - or you'll get banned
[05:57] <LjL> and still you went on
[05:57] <DBO> and makes it very hard to follow your tech support convo
[05:57] <DBO> Jan 13 09:33:34 <Ian_L>	ikonia...you dont have that authority, dont threaten folks
[05:57] <DBO> Jan 13 09:33:44 <ikonia>	Ian_L: I'm just warning you in advance
[05:58] <Terry_L> I wouldn't think a moderator would call me a moron
[05:58] <Terry_L> therefor, I thought he was just egging me on
[05:58] <DBO> he wasnt a moderator
[05:58] <Terry_L> what was he?
[05:58] <DBO> just a user
[05:58] <DBO> Seveas was the one who banned you
[05:58] <Terry_L> oh, a user can boot another?
[05:58] <LjL> someone who wasn't happy - understandably - at your flooding
[05:59] <Terry_L> ok, thanks bud
[05:59] <Terry_L> could you just pass on to Seveas that I am truly sorry
[05:59] <Terry_L> thanks
[06:00] <Terry_L> I'm 40 yrs old, and certainly dont normally act that way, but the name calling got to me
[06:00] <Terry_L> ...could you possibly help me with a suggestion?
[06:01] <apokryphos> if you're talking about support, then no
[06:01] <Terry_L> ...I tried the Ubuntu 6.10 CD on two PCs and it didn't load
[06:01] <Terry_L> oh, ok..thanks
[06:01] <dabaR_> Terry_L: you can msg me if you are regd on freenode
[06:02] <Terry_L> sorry, im new to this whole chat app..so I dont know how to reg
[06:02] <Terry_L> but thanks a bunch, dabar...good person
[06:02] <dabaR> !register > Terry_L
[06:03] <Terry_L> did you register me or just give me the info?
[06:03] <LjL> the latter. you have a query from ubotu.
[06:04] <Terry_L> thanks again
[06:04] <Terry_L> btw...do you guys do this for free?
[06:04] <Terry_L> ..or is this a job?
[06:05] <LjL> free
[06:05] <Terry_L> ah
[06:05] <Terry_L> btw...which is better...mIRC or the other one?
[06:05] <Terry_L> is it xChat?
[06:05] <LjL> mIRC isn't available for Linux
[06:05] <Terry_L> ok, whatis the other one called?
[06:05] <LjL> X-Chat is the standard one on Ubuntu's GNOME
[06:06] <Terry_L> this mIRC I'm using on my M$ OS doesn't look as nice as x-chat
[06:06] <LjL> you can get X-Chat for Windows (however, the X-Chat that comes by default in Ubuntu is the GNOME version, i think, and it looks different from plain X-Chat)
[06:07] <Terry_L> when you say different, it looks and acts differently?
[06:08] <Terry_L> I do like hte x-chat in KNoppix I was using on Live CD
[06:08] <LjL> i think so. i don't use either flavor though.
[06:08] <Terry_L> which do you use, bud?
[06:08] <LjL> konversation
[06:08] <Terry_L> looks like a linux flavor
[06:08] <LjL> sorry? Konversation is another client
[06:09] <Terry_L> right right...that's what I meant...but its for Linux, right?  Not windows?
[06:09] <LjL> i don't think it's available for Windows right now
[06:09] <Terry_L> ok
[06:09] <Terry_L> are all you guys from the US?
[06:15] <apokryphos> Terry_L: you can join #ubuntu-offtopic for general talk
[06:15] <Terry_L> OK guys...thanks again for all your help
[06:16] <Terry_L> take care
[06:52] <apokryphos> LjL: no need for the +R -- no-one's talking
[06:55] <apokryphos> ok, BearPerson says botish connections stopped
[08:08] <sebastean> thank you Seveas
[11:13] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, ToHellWithGA said: ubotu: gtfo is <alias> noob
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> !gtfo
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtfo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> !noob
[11:13] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> !-noob
[11:13] <ubotu> noob aliases: stfu, jfgi, rtfm, wtf, ffs - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:26:47
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> !gtfo is <alias> noob
[11:13] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, tonyyarusso said: !gtfo is <alias> noob
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> sigh
[11:14] <Seveas> !foad is <alias> language
[11:14] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, what does gtfo stand for?
[11:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[11:14] <Seveas> !no gtfo is <alias> language
[11:14] <ubotu> I know nothing about gtfo yet
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> or that
[11:14] <Seveas> !gtfo is <alias> language
[11:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gtfo
[11:15] <PriceChild> thanks tonyyarusso
[11:37] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, PFA said: ubotu: no, pong is "You're Alive and Kickin......*grumbles and goes back to his dive-into-Python manual*
[12:19] <jenda> Seveas: can I please cloak MikeB-?
[12:19] <jenda> He's the guy who was just voted into the forums council.
[12:19] <Seveas> jenda, I need a launchpad id and that nickname to be present on his mp page
[12:19] <jenda> kk
[12:20] <ubotu> In ubotu, PriceChild said: !no ops-#ubuntuforums is PriceChild, zenrox, byen, frodon, KiwiNZ, zenwhen, jdong, KingBahamut, nocturn, ubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon, darkmatter_, Brunellus, BuffaloSoldier, panickedthumb, jenda, rav_tux, Vorian, MikeB- or k_mandla!
[12:21] <Seveas> !no ops-#ubuntuforums is PriceChild, zenrox, byen, frodon, KiwiNZ, zenwhen, jdong, KingBahamut, nocturn, ubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon, darkmatter_, Brunellus, BuffaloSoldier, panickedthumb, jenda, rav_tux, Vorian, MikeB- or k_mandla!
[12:21] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[12:21] <PriceChild> thankyou
[12:21] <PriceChild> Seveas,
[12:22] <jenda> Seveas: https://launchpad.net/~mike.basinger
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> Why the ~ I wonder
[12:23] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, its a new format...
[12:23] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, has replaced /member/<<whatever>>
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Oh?  Link to an explanation?
[12:23] <Seveas> jenda, ok
[12:23] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, haven't a clue where its explained sorry... its just all changed :)
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: All right


[16:24] <zerowalker> i am trying to create some user service files with cloud-init but having some issues. I am using writefiles as i don't think that's the way to go. But i can only make get one file to be created for some reason. I want to basically create 2 files with different contents but the same permissions/owners
[18:35] <blackboxsw_afk> zerowalker: if you have a link to paste of of your #cloud-config we could help better understand
[18:35] <blackboxsw_afk> what might be "wrong"
[18:36] <blackboxsw_afk> also try running `sudo cloud-init devel schema --system --annotate` on the system that you deployed. it might give you a warning if there was some invalid structure to  your write_files YAML


[06:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsimonq2 mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2819 Diff missing (artful/akonadi, artful/calibre, artful/fcitx-qt5, artful/frameworkintegration, artful/gcin, artful/hime, artful/kdeclarative, artful/kguiaddons, artful/kwayland, artful/kwin, artful/libfm-qt, artful/libqtxdg, artful/lxqt-qtplugin, artful/lxqt-session, artful/maliit-framework, artful/openorienteering-mapper, artful/pkg-kde-tools, artful/plasma-integration, artful/pyqt5, art
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2886 Preparing packages


[05:21] <sivang> Kinnison: ping, you awake/ around ?
[05:24] <sivang> anybody awake here?
[07:32] <mdke> jordi, any luck with those pots?
[08:09] <jordi> mdke: hey
[08:09] <jordi> just got home
[08:09] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>new build (patch-80)
[08:09] <jordi> apparently not.
[08:09] <jordi> will tell carlos
[08:10] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>browse looks a bit more like abrowse (patch-64<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:25] <jordi> mdke: no reply from carlos
[08:25] <jordi> mdke: I guess it'll happen tomorrow morning
[11:52] <mdke> jordi, ok that would be good, lemme know by email when it happens?
[12:02] <jordi> mdke: sure
[12:02] <mdke> jordi, great, thanks!
[12:02] <mdke> night
[12:02] <jordi> nite


[00:36] <dob_> is it correct that i can't grow a raidz pool?
[01:09] <dob_> hello guys, i have BIG problems with raid and lvm. I created a raid5 with sda5 sdb5 sdc5. Then i run pvcreate /dev/md2 (my created raid). Then this appears: Wiping software RAID md superblock on After a reboot the system is not able to boot anymore. Then in mdstat there is a new array md2 which has sda sdb sdc as drives. What da hell is going on with it? I am using ubuntu 10.04. Why does the system want to sync my
[01:09] <dob_> physical drives?
[01:28] <dob_> is it possible that the problem is that i did a pvcreate before the raid was synced?
[02:12] <_schism_> can someone point me to a dead easy email server (preferably with a gui) for 10.04?  I have been trying to get one set up for goofing around here at the house and am just stuck on stupid
[02:20] <KurtKraut> _schism_, I'm sorry, but I don't think there is an e-mail server with a GUI in the UNIX-like ecosystem.
[02:20] <KurtKraut> _schism_, there are some control panels that deals with that. You should try ispconfig (not packaged in Ubuntu)
[02:21] <KurtKraut> _schism_, but they don't work very well, but may suit your needs. I think you should try.
[02:28] <_schism_> KurtKraut, thank you for the info.  not trying to do anything fancy. just have a couple of young kids trying to introduce them to email and  the like in a safe enviroment
[02:29] <KurtKraut> _schism_, just for curiosity: why not Gmail or 'Gmail for Google Apps'?
[02:29] <_schism_> KurtKraut, I have gmaila nd use it.  want to teach the kids how to email but in an enviroment where it is totaly controlled
[02:49] <draven_sol> can anyone help me troubleshoot why my cups service keeps stopping?
[03:09] <skorv> i'm having a recurrent problem, my ubuntu server stalls from time to time its dhcp, dns and will only work after reboot
[04:10] <Tankenator> hello all
[04:10] <Tankenator> i have a question
[04:13] <sk0rv> 	Cs
[04:15] <patdk-lap> don't we all
[04:20] <sk0rv> oops
[04:21] <sk0rv> sorry about that
[04:23] <Tankenator> is there a way to ssh into a cd install of server edition?
[04:27] <patdk-lap> Tankenator, if you run sshd, should be able to
[04:27] <Tankenator> so
[04:28] <Tankenator> i have a headless machine
[04:28] <patdk-lap> dunno if sshd is in the image or not
[04:28] <Tankenator> if i boot the buntu server cd, can i expect to discover the machine on the network then be able to ssh into it?
[04:28] <patdk-lap> nope
[04:28] <patdk-lap> it's a few menu's in, till it gets to the network config setup
[04:29] <Tankenator> so i have to have keyboard and montitor attached...
[04:29] <patdk-lap> for the server iso image, yep
[04:29] <patdk-lap> not sure if like the alternate image would do that or not
[04:29] <Tankenator> sux
[04:29] <Tankenator> i dont want to have to disconnect my desktop....sigh
[04:29] <patdk-lap> never used the alt image, normally use netboot image, or modified server image on usb
[04:30] <Tankenator> either one will not do what i want tho...
[04:32] <e_t_> I have installed to a hard drive through VirtualBox (and KVM). I can then plug the drive into a headless computer and boot it.
[04:34] <Tankenator> hm
[04:34] <Tankenator> more bother than pulling the machine and attaching flat panel and keyboard to it in-situ
[04:35] <Tankenator> thanks anyway
[04:35] <patdk-lap> e_t_ only if you remember to wipe out the udev net config file :)
[04:35] <e_t_> Well, my problem is that the computer in question lacks a (working) graphics card.
[04:35] <patdk-lap> done that, forgot, and couldn't access the thing :(
[04:36] <e_t_> patdk-lap: Yes. I did that the first time too.
[04:37] <patdk-lap> I did it the first, second, third, just about every time :)
[04:38] <patdk-lap> I generally setup systems in pairs, get first one how I want it, mirror it to a second system
[04:38] <patdk-lap> always forget about that
[04:39] <e_t_> The second time, I created /etc/network/interfaces entries for non-existent eth1,eth2,eth3 set to DHCP. That way, I knew one would work.
[05:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #383546 in cifs-utils (main) "mount.cifs i.c.w. autofs can stop working" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383546
[06:00] <UBUxUBU> good morning ubuntu-server.
[06:57] <Syria> Hi, I have installed Ubuntu server 10.4.1 lucid on my vps, where can I find the .htaccess file please?
[07:01] <Delerium_> I guess it would be in /var/www
[07:01] <Delerium_> if not, do a find ... "find / -name .htaccess
[07:01] <Syria> Delerium_ Is it visible if i am using sftp?
[07:02] <Delerium_> file starting with a dot are "hidden file", with sftp. doing a "ls -al" might show it up, don't remember
[07:02] <Syria> Delerium_ Thank you.
[07:02] <Delerium_> welcome
[07:39] <gobbe> Syria: .htaccess -files are created by you, not by installer
[07:39] <Syria> gobbe i have created one in the "site" folder but it is not changing anything!
[07:40] <Syria> gobbe typing deny from all should prevent everybody from visitng the site right?
[07:40] <Error404NotFound> anyone who can give me ideas on how would upgrade a Lucid Lynx Amazon Micro Instance to medium one?
[07:45] <gobbe> Syria: please upload content of .htaccess to pastebin
[07:46] <Syria> gobbe pelase visit this link http://pastie.org/1422831
[07:47] <Syria> gobbe and when I change its content to "deny from all" nothing is changing and I can still visit the site.
[07:49] <gobbe> Syria: so you just have only one line in file "deny from all" ?
[07:50] <Syria> gobbe Yes, in a folder called .htaccess in the site folder.
[07:50] <gobbe> .htaccess is file, not folder
[07:50] <Syria> gobbe Sorry, I mean a file.
[11:31] <Bilge> Why is `less` gimped on my system such that I have to press enter after every option to make it take effect? On 8.04 LTS I could just press the key and it acted upon it immediately. Now that I migrated to 10.04 LTS I'm screwed
[11:33] <gobbe> Bilge: hmmh? i can press space eth
[11:33] <gobbe> etc
[11:33] <gobbe> no need to use enter
[11:43] <Bilge> I shouldn't need to press a key after
[11:43] <Bilge> It actually makes it unusable
[11:43] <Bilge> It doesn't properly go back to the top of the document even
[11:51] <gobbe> hmmh?
[11:52] <gobbe> what is your problem?
[11:52] <gobbe> you open file with less
[11:52] <gobbe> and then?
[12:11] <shaggy2> hey got a question, might be the wrong place to ask, but I have password protect the cgi-bin derectory using .htaccess, I have 2 domains pointing to it, I would like to be able to set it so if the user on www.domain.com logged in via www.domain.net he would be rejected, but if he logged in via www.domain.com he would be allowed. is that posible using .htaaccess
[12:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #696460 in squid (main) "package squid 2.7.STABLE9-2ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: podproces instalovaný post-installation skript vrátil chybový status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696460
[12:40] <Rogier> Hi all
[12:40] <gobbe> hi
[12:41] <Rogier> just testing irc on my new mac… works fine I think
[17:49] <Yann2> hello! I am trying to change the motd, but it seems it is now being dynamically generated by files in /etc/update.motd.d/
[17:50] <Yann2> what script runs this?
[17:51] <qman__> Yann2, https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/pam_motd.html
[17:53] <Yann2> thanks that explains it
[17:53] <Yann2> seems a bit overkill still but well :)
[17:53] <gobbe> :)
[17:54] <Yann2> sounds to me that people who want to have the weather when they log in (what a weird thing) should use their bashrc or so instead  though :P
[17:55] <gobbe> well that's also used for landscape
[18:27] <compdoc> does anyone know what bridge_maxage means?
[18:31] <compdoc> nm
[19:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #696586 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.7.0.dfsg.P1-1ubuntu0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696586
[21:37] <mrroth> how do I tell if a ProLiant ML350 Server is dual core
[21:39] <gobbe> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:39] <Rahmat> hallo
[21:40] <Rahmat> how to install ISPConfig on ubuntu server
[21:40] <mrroth> I don't have it, I want to buy it
[21:41] <gobbe> mrroth: ask to open it and see
[21:44] <mrroth> I see on their stie
[21:44] <mrroth> but I am not at the store
[21:44] <mrroth> 200 bucks for a server, NO OS, but that fine fo rme
[21:54] <davidlenwell> Can anyone in here help with a kvm .. ubuntu-vm-builder?
[21:57] <MigrationKing> oops


[01:42] <viper550> Hello?
[01:53] <troy_s> viper550: ?
[01:55] <viper550> Trying to setup Ubuntu on my other computer, again - this time as a main OS
[01:55] <troy_s> viper550: Ok great.  What brings you here to tell us that for?
[01:56] <viper550> I am having issues...ironically
[01:58] <viper550> Got an hp f1053 monitor, installed correctly, but refuses to go into X. The monitor just goes to sleep mode.
[01:58] <troy_s> hrm...
[01:58] <troy_s> viper550: What do you mean 'go into X' -- x refuses to start?
[01:58] <darkmatter> #ubuntu is the "help" channel. need directions? :P
[01:59] <viper550> I'm trying to get help from someone
[01:59] <troy_s> viper550: I would try that advice -- #ubuntu is very useful.
[02:00] <viper550> I'm doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:11] <viper550> works now
[02:11] <viper550> sorry to say this but I already "dumped the defaults in the trash"
[02:23] <troy_s> viper550: I don't think anyone cares.   I don't think anything short of a blunt instrument to the back of Marks head will aid in the struggle
[06:12] <titanix88> howdy people :)
[06:13] <titanix88> what about the formalized contribution website? is it on?


[19:08] <chrisccoulson> m_conley_away, you around?
[19:59] <bhearsum> i know it's offtopic for the channel, but anyone know how i can make something happen in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/888134? i don't know how to debug further
[19:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 888134 in gnome-desktop3 "automatic detection of plugged in / removed monitor is too aggressive" [High,Incomplete]
[20:21] <alex_mayorga> bhearsum: I'd say #ubuntu-x might be a better venue for your question
[20:21] <bhearsum> ah, i didn't know that existed
[20:21] <bhearsum> thanks
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, you don't have a dell by any chance do you?
[20:31] <bhearsum> i do, one of 24'' widescreens
[20:32] <bhearsum> U2410F
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, do you dock it?
[20:34] <bhearsum> no dock, nope
[20:35] <bhearsum> VGA in this case
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[20:35] <bhearsum> (i tried displayport too, but that had different issues)
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> some dells like to simulate a fake videomode keypress when you dock them, which screws up the monitor detection
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> mine does this
[20:36] <bhearsum> yikes
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> so, gnome-settings-daemon correctly configures my display, but then the fake videomode keypress immediately selects a configuration i don't want
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> i was just wondering whether you might have a similar issue ;)
[20:37] <bhearsum> can i look for a kernel event or something to confirm?
[20:37] <bhearsum> because that's _similar_ to what happens to me
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, you could try starting your session with the media-keys plugin disabled in gnome-settings-daemon
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> which ubuntu version are you on?
[20:37] <bhearsum> 11.10
[20:39] <chrisccoulson> ok, so if you run "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys active false" and restart your session, that will ensure that the plugin which handles the videomode key is disabled
[20:41] <bhearsum> i will give that a try!
[21:54] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley, you about?
[21:54] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hello!
[21:54] <chrisccoulson> hi, how are you?
[21:54] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I'm well, and yourself?
[21:54] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, good thanks
[21:56] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i was just wondering whether you had looked at the addressbook related items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-thunderbird-enhancements
[21:57] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I have indeed.  I have an attack plan on it, but I don't think I'll be able to do it until later next week.
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, ok, that's cool
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[21:58] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: np. :)
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> interesting conversation about binary components on mozilla.dev.planning
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> not all binary components are bad ;)
[22:50] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, any luck with the monitor stuff?
[22:51] <bhearsum> i didn't get a chance to test your suggestion yet
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> ah, no worries
[22:56] <bhearsum> going to try again tomorrow, with my home monitor this time :)
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> it would be good if you have the same issue as me, because it's already on my list of things to fix ;)


[00:08] <Odd_Bloke> If a bug has inadvertently been fixed since it was filed, should I mark it "Fix Released" or "Invalid"?
[00:11] <jelmer> abentley: did anything change in bundlebuggy's storage format recently?
[00:11] <jelmer> I'm getting schema errors now
[00:30] <ubotu> New bug: #164613 in bzr "``bzr check`` cannot be run on a repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164613
[00:45] <lifeless> orospakr: fixed, and the releasse it was fixed in as the tag
[00:45] <lifeless> meh
[00:45] <lifeless> Odd_Bloke: ^
[00:46] <orospakr> heh.
[00:46] <lifeless> sorry orospakr
[00:46] <orospakr> YOU'VE RUINED MY LIFE
[00:47] <lifeless> its true
[00:47] <Odd_Bloke> Heh.
[00:52] <lifeless> Odd_Bloke: bug 64783 is not fixed
[00:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64783 in bzr ""bzr check" returns unhelpful "No WorkingTree" error" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64783
[00:53] <lifeless> Odd_Bloke: and I'm not working on it :)
[00:56] <Odd_Bloke> lifeless: It's happy to check branches without a working tree (removing one of the instances of the error) and reports that there isn't a branch when run directly on a repository.  I've filed bug #164613 for the lack of repository checking.
[00:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164613 in bzr "``bzr check`` cannot be run on a repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164613
[00:57] <Odd_Bloke> lifeless: And I assigned it to you as it was fixed (or so I thought :p) in one of your branches.
[01:01] <lifeless> Odd_Bloke: well the initial bug report covers the repository case
[01:01] <lifeless> so I think a new bug report is just noise
[01:01] <lifeless> part of the initial report is corrected, but not all of it.
[01:04] <Odd_Bloke> lifeless: Sure.  I've invalided bug #164613.  Apologies for taking your time.
[01:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164613 in bzr "``bzr check`` cannot be run on a repository (dup-of: 64783)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164613
[01:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64783 in bzr ""bzr check" returns unhelpful "No WorkingTree" error" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64783
[01:05] <lifeless> Odd_Bloke: no problem, I appreciate you putting time into bug database management
[01:06] <lifeless> its prompted me to cleanup bug 64783 to be more clear about what it really represents
[01:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64783 in bzr ""bzr check" does not handle our split up .bzr layout properly (Errors if there is no branch)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64783
[01:15] <poolie_> lifeless: text:tar_exporter.py-20051114235828-1f6349a2f090a5d0 corrupt: line-delta from stream references missing parent<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:45]  * igc lunch
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164626 in bzr "branching from hpss doesn't preserve repository format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164626
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164628 in bzr "branching from hpss doesn't preserve repository format" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164628
[03:44] <abentley> jelmer: yes.  I replied to your email.
[03:45] <abentley> Run the "migrate" script.
[06:07] <lifeless> time for turkish
[06:37] <somerville33> How do I clean a branch?
[06:38] <somerville33> ie. remove all the uncommitted changes
[06:42] <poolie_> somerville33, 'bzr revert'
[06:42] <somerville33> I tried that
[06:42] <somerville33> Does it get rid of "unknowns"?
[06:45] <poolie_> no, it doesn't
[06:45] <poolie_> you can use, on unix,
[06:45] <poolie_> bzr ls --unknown |xargs rm -v
[06:45] <poolie_> or install the bzrtools plugin, and use the 'clean-tree' command
[06:54] <somerville33> What does this mean? bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: <Fault 8002: 'error'>
[07:14] <ubotu> New bug: #164637 in bzr "hpss data_stream from pack repository has deltas out of order, fails with KnitCorrupt exception" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164637
[07:38] <poolie_> somerville33, is that coming from launchpad?
[07:39] <poolie_> somerville33, i'm not sure but i think it may mean the path is wrong
[07:39] <poolie_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/145894
[07:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145894 in launchpad-bazaar ""Fault 8002" when pushing a branch to an unregistered project" [Medium,Fix released]
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #164639 in bzr "rich-root format should use packs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164639
[07:51] <jamesh> mwhudson was doing some work to improve the error handling to produce better error messages.  I think that is due for the next rollout
[07:51] <jamesh> so hopefully it'll be live on Monday
[08:01] <poolie_> yay
[08:06] <jamesh> If it is pushing to a branch that does not exist, it should actually display "Product foo does not exist." to the user
[08:06] <jamesh> s/branch/product/
[08:06] <jamesh> garr - that should be "Project foo does not exist." :(
[09:36] <acuster> Hey all, having trouble getting started with a repo setup. I have an svn checkout that i'd like to use within bzr
[09:37] <acuster> i'm currently avoiding bzr-svn because it seems to require hitting the network
[09:37] <acuster> I'd like to init-repo and then add trunk/
[09:38] <acuster> if i do (1) init-repo (2) cp trunk . (3) init trunk/ I get two .bzr directories
[09:38] <acuster> one in the repo and one in trunk/
[09:38] <acuster> is that expected?
[09:39]  * acuster tries without the repo
[09:40] <fullermd> Yes, that's expected.
[09:40] <fullermd> The top-level .bzr/ contains your repo, and the .bzr/ in trunk contains the branch and WT metafiles.
[09:42] <acuster> thanks
[09:43] <acuster> what do I branch and checkout from then, the repo or the branch?
[09:44] <fullermd> The branch.
[09:45] <fullermd> Repos are just used to share storage.  You don't refer to them directly (except when making them, of course).  You don't particularly need to use them, especially with only one branch (doesn't gain you anything until you have two with shared history)
[09:46] <acuster> thanks
[10:13] <igc> night all - have a good weekend
[10:40] <dato> if I have a bug reported in Debian's BTS (Debian #452503), can I automatically import it into launchpad?
[10:40] <ubotu> Debian bug 452503 in bzr "bzr: gets confused when editor is killed" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/452503
[10:40] <dato> or do I have to enter it by hand, and link them by hand as well?
[10:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc you have to file a new bug and link it
[11:05] <acuster> The --trees/--no-trees command when making a shared repo only affects the behaviour of the bzr branch command?
[11:33] <acuster> to get rid of a branch we merely rm -Rf it?
[11:34] <acuster> what impact does that have on the shared repository?
[11:34] <dato> its revision will stay, unaccessible
[11:34] <acuster> no way to clean that up?
[11:34] <dato> but there is no way to clean them up, at the moment
[11:34] <acuster> thanks
[11:40] <acuster> am I right that the 'trees' flag in shared repos only affects whether branch also checks out a working tree?
[11:42] <dato> I believe so
[11:48] <fullermd> It probably affects (and if it doesn't, it should) other stuff that makes a branch, like init and push.  I know push was fixed recently...
[12:03] <acuster> wow bzr-svn is way faster now
[17:19]  * bitmonk wonders if there area reasons bzr would be especially resistant to working on alternative python implementations..
[17:20] <bitmonk> er s/area/are/
[17:20] <jelmer> it doesn't rely on any C extensions to be able to work (though it will be faster if they're available)
[17:21] <jelmer> so nothing I can think of immediately
[17:21] <bitmonk> does it require setuptools?
[17:21] <jelmer> no, it uses distutils
[17:21] <bitmonk> hm.
[17:22] <jelmer> what sort of things are usually problematic?
[17:22] <bitmonk> well, my target is pypy on mono.
[17:22] <bitmonk> you can't use setuptools or distutils on mono really.  it's a whole 'nother world.
[17:22] <bitmonk> at least i can't quite fathom how to.  i'm sure it's possible, but it sure doesn't work today.
[17:22] <jelmer> you should be able to use bzr out of the source directory
[17:23] <bitmonk> yeah i imagine so..
[17:23] <bitmonk> distutils and setuptools are just friendly helpers.
[17:23] <bitmonk> well, thanks.  i will give it a shot next time i'm looking for fun ;d
[17:23] <mwhudson> i doubt pypy-cli has gzip/bz2 support yet
[17:23] <bitmonk> maybe run some benchmarks
[17:23] <bitmonk> mwhudson: it may not.
[17:24] <bitmonk> but i bet i could access gzip/bz2 support via the cli, even if with a penalty.
[17:24]  * bitmonk is looking more for a 'fathomable project' than a 'working today solution'
[17:24] <mwhudson> can't think of anything else that shouldn't work
[17:24] <bitmonk> awesome
[17:24] <bitmonk> i probably should spend some more time with bzr on cpython first, so that i know how to recognize odd behaviour ;d
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164714 in bzr-eclipse "Whitespace in directory name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164714
[17:30] <TeTeT> is there a way to reduce the disk footprint of a branch? The shared repository with the ubuntu-desktop-course branch occupies 720MB right now
[19:10] <keir> so is 1.0 really going to be released next?
[20:10] <chx> hi
[20:10] <chx> I visited http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/drupal/main and was surprised.
[20:10] <chx> The requested URL /00/00/0a/af was not found on this server.
[20:11] <chx> oh. i guess wrong channel. moving to #launchpad...
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #62249 in bzr "merge from bundles should support io redirection" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62249
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #62521 in bzr "bzr should run without bzrlib.tests installed." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62521


[14:10] <x-Na>  Hi
[14:10] <x-Na> Can anyone tell why I seem to get multiple gnome-shell sessions when multiple users log in?
[14:11] <x-Na> GDM does not seem to understand that the user is already logged in
[14:12] <x-Na> And opens a new sessions
[14:12] <x-Na> -s
[18:24] <modmuss50> When I try to boot, or install ubuntu gnome I get a White screen followed by a black screen. I'm using the nvidia 970 HOF
[19:34] <darthanubis> getting a bunch of kernel oops
[22:42] <jdecuirm> Hi ubuntu gnome community! i have a question about ubuntu gnome 14.10 or 15.04, i need an stable system for production, but there's a known issue with two monitors in ubuntu gnome 14.04, the settings are not stored, even using the nvidia driver! so, if anyone can guide me in the right direction i will be grateful


[00:00] <Deceiver> 21 users hehe
[00:00] <knome> yeah, that's about 15 more than a few monts ago...
[00:00] <knome> +h
[00:00] <Deceiver> must xubuntu users get help in #ubuntu anyways hehe
[00:00] <drc> Everytime I ask for a "xubuntu" list in xchat, it's never listed :(
[00:00] <Deceiver> most*
[00:01] <knome> drc, hmm, weird.
[00:04] <knome> !alis | drc
[00:10] <ScottE> drc, in the channel list query, at the bottom, is the min # of users for a channel more than the number of people here?
[00:11] <drc> ScottE: Nope, that's not it (I already thought of that).
[00:12] <ScottE> OK, just checking...
[00:13] <knome> if you refer to alis, it's probably a cached usercount
[03:05] <w30> Anybody have emerald installed?
[03:06] <w30> Is there a Ubuntu version available anywhere?
[03:07] <w30> I want to change window my window border to something decent.
[03:08] <w30> even wvm or win95 look alike would be better than what the default is.
[03:09]  * w30 using compiz
[03:09] <holstein> w30: me too
[03:09] <holstein> i was wondering the same thing
[03:11] <w30> If I could find the configuration I could stick in different .pngs and name them the same *hack hack*
[03:11] <holstein> it was taken out for sure
[03:11] <holstein> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/show/329590
[03:14]  * holstein reading about http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/get-emerald-to-work-in-ubuntu-1104.html
[03:21] <holstein> w30: whaddaya think?
[03:21] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~malteworld/+archive/compiz
[03:21] <holstein> its a natty repo
[03:21] <holstein> ppa*
[03:22] <holstein> im not sure i would know how to change to it..
[03:23] <w30> Cards win series
[03:24] <w30> holstein, I think I will try to compile it.
[03:24] <holstein> i might just grab the .debs from http://ppa.launchpad.net/malteworld/compiz/ubuntu/pool/main/e/emerald/
[03:26] <w30> holstein, if you get it installed, I'll ask you when I see you in here in a couple of days :=)
[03:26] <holstein> hehe
[03:26] <well_laid_lawn> why not just ask in #compiz what gets used now?
[03:27] <w30> well_laid_lawn, good idea,  /j #compiz
[03:28] <holstein> w30: keep me posted
[03:28] <holstein> im checking on these .debs...
[03:31] <w30> holstein, in ccsm in  the plugin window-decorator in the window that says /usr/bin/compiz-decorator edit it and put in emerald
[03:32] <w30> or /usr/bin/emerald
[03:32] <w30> simple I think
[03:34] <holstein> from #compiz 23:32 < soreau> the official decorators are gtk-window-decorator and kde4-window-decorator
[03:35] <well_laid_lawn> probably why emerald isn't available...
[03:35] <holstein> yup
[03:35] <holstein> i was wondering... who knew... ask in #compiz ;) good suggestion well_laid_lawn
[03:36] <well_laid_lawn> there's even a bot link for it
[03:36] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[03:56] <holstein> w30: worked
[03:56] <w30> I could care less about emerald, the decorator themes, I just want a way to display a different window border. It seems you can't have gtk borders or kde borders.
[03:57] <w30> themes yes but borders no.
[03:57] <holstein> well, i gotz me a nice window border :)
[03:57] <w30> holstein, really, how?
[03:58] <holstein> w30: with emerald
[03:58] <well_laid_lawn> !info gtk-window-decorator
[03:58] <w30> oh, ok
[03:58] <well_laid_lawn> oh
[03:58] <holstein> http://compiz-themes.org/content/show.php/WolfeEmerald?content=146131&PHPSESSID=569fd3c2c6bcf32f2cdac59f75c9051e
[03:58] <holstein> hmmm... nasty... sorry
[03:59] <holstein> w30: ^^ i installed that as a proof of concept
[03:59] <holstein> i have gtk-window-decorator
[04:01] <w30> holstein, so do I but the themes can't load their borders into compiz
[04:02] <holstein> w30: i have installed emerald from http://ppa.launchpad.net/malteworld/compiz/ubuntu/pool/main/e/emerald/ and added that theme, and i have those wolfe emerald window decorations
[04:03] <w30> holstein, you have to load an emerald window theme also, right?
[04:04] <holstein> AFAIK
[04:04] <w30> ok
[04:07] <w30> there is enough emerald themes to supply everyones taste so no problem there
[04:19] <holstein> w30: OK... im missing something else... notifications, i dont like these notifications in compiz.. i want the ones that you can click through
[04:24] <w30> I don't know anything about notifcations, explain notifications to me if you can.
[04:25] <holstein> w30: not sure.. they just notify you
[04:25] <w30> about what?
[04:26] <w30> who your wife was with, kids smoking pot?
[04:26] <holstein> like, the volume... unplugging the power adapter.. messages... monitor brightness
[04:28] <w30> the ones that appear and fade away, yeah they are about worthless
[04:28] <holstein> used to be (and in other-buntu) you can click through them
[04:29] <MrBobbly> what's the button you hit to get to the grub menu at boot?
[04:29] <holstein> MrBobbly: shift?
[04:29] <Unit193> Right shift
[04:30] <Unit193> Other right, left
[04:30] <holstein> i just un-hide it
[04:30] <w30> like MS Windows error 9853ef248uxz
[04:30] <MrBobbly> nice thank you
[04:30] <w30> holstein, like duh....
[04:31] <Unit193> If you want to un-hide it, you need to edit /etc/default/grub and update-grub
[04:31] <MrBobbly> wtf
[04:31] <holstein> i appreciate hte feedback though sometimes w30 , like with the volume
[04:31] <MrBobbly> does xubuntu not support "nox" on the kernel cmd line?
[04:32] <w30> MrBobbly, what does text do?
[04:32] <w30> MrBobbly, try that
[04:32] <w30> MrBobbly, no gui, I think
[04:32] <MrBobbly> no worries i sshed in
[04:33] <MrBobbly> but i'm kinda screwed
[04:33] <MrBobbly> login via gdm fails
[04:33] <w30> MrBobbly, that will work :=)
[04:33] <MrBobbly> login via console succeeds but the video is unreadable
[04:34] <MrBobbly>    0 2011-10-28 21:16 .goutputstream-1XN83V
[04:34] <holstein> trying an older kernel is a good idea if you just did an update recently
[04:34] <MrBobbly> ohhh look
[04:34] <MrBobbly>  /home is full
[04:34] <MrBobbly> how aggravating that everything just stops working
[04:35] <MrBobbly> this would explain why i couldn't access .gvfs earlier too
[04:35] <w30> MrBobbly, MrBobby is a hoarder?
[04:35] <MrBobbly> heh nah it's a small vbox instance
[04:36]  * w30 moves /home/porn to /media/porn
[04:36] <MrBobbly> woah
[04:36] <MrBobbly> sob
[04:36] <MrBobbly> all my perferences are gone
[04:37] <MrBobbly> oh so how does one enable the "save this session" check box on the logout dialogue?
[04:39] <w30> MrBobbly, check out settings session and startup
[04:40] <w30> MrBobbly, check out settings and then session and startup
[04:40]  * MrBobbly doesn't waste valuable SSD space on porn
[04:40] <MrBobbly> that's what USB drives and LUKS is for ;)
[04:41] <w30> MrBobbly, not serious, just kidding.
[04:42] <MrBobbly> oh yeah i looked in session and startup cuz that's where i rembember that always being
[04:42] <MrBobbly> but it isn't
[04:42] <MrBobbly> theres an option to auto save on logout
[04:42] <MrBobbly> but i don't want that
[04:42] <MrBobbly> i want to be able to set/clear the checkbox like in the past
[04:42] <w30> MrBobbly, All boxes need houskeeping now and then I guess.....
[04:44] <w30> MrBobbly, whaat does Prompt on logout do?
[04:44] <w30> whaat/what
[04:49] <MrBobbly> i just get the ok/cancel and the timer
[04:49] <MrBobbly> older versions had a check box too
[04:49] <MrBobbly> to maek a one time save of the session
[04:50] <MrBobbly> ok lvm to the rescue
[06:03] <x_> if I open nautilus in xfce it changes my desktop background to a magenta color, until I log off and back on any ideas why?
[06:03] <well_laid_lawn> you need the --no-desktop option for nutilus
[06:03] <well_laid_lawn> or start using thunar ;)
[06:04] <x_> thunar doesn't show transfer speed of my copies.... is my main problem with it
[06:06] <x_> thx for the help ;-)
[06:07] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[06:17] <xubunturob> Hi all, I was wondering if anyone is having trouble with minitube 1.5??
[06:23] <xubunturob> Is there anybody out there? Just nod if you can here me
[06:26] <xubunturob> Is there anyone at home
[06:26] <valdur55> Hey. how can i manage my sound with hotkeys?
[06:26] <valdur55> Hello.
[06:27] <xubunturob> Don't know
[06:58] <pefark> hey
[06:58] <pefark> ?
[06:59] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[07:05] <ball> well_laid_lawn: That was odd.
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> ball: what was?
[07:07] <ball> brb
[09:21] <MikeChelen> hi, after installing fglrx the system will not boot. it hangs with "error no suitable mode found" in terminal
[09:37] <MikeChelen> set gfxmode=1280x800
[09:38] <MikeChelen> err that didnt work
[14:40] <xubuntu053> hi there
[14:40]  * xubuntu053 likes xubuntu
[14:40] <xubuntu053> ;)
[14:42] <xubuntu053> can you recommend an alternate software to midnight commander with gtk? krusander and dolphin are overloaded
[14:43] <xubuntu053> just have an old armada e500 notebook with 600mhz
[14:44] <holstein> xubuntu053: thunar not going to work?
[14:45] <holstein> pcman
[14:45] <xubuntu053> holstein: its okay but slow
[14:45] <xubuntu053> also firefox is to overloaded, going to switch to opera maybe
[14:46] <holstein> yeah?
[14:46] <xubuntu053> ?
[14:46] <holstein> i had an e500 a while back
[14:46] <holstein> i used puppy linux on it
[14:46] <holstein> i would think xubuntu would be OK on it
[14:47] <holstein> but, you might want to consider getting more ram
[14:47] <xubuntu053> does puppy alsouses the apt packaging system?
[14:47] <holstein> i remember i had ram laying around that would work in there, so i maxed it out.. (512?) not sure
[14:47] <holstein> it (the e500) was much happier
[14:47] <xubuntu053> 256mb
[14:47] <holstein> the fact is, thats an old machine
[14:47] <holstein> firefox is not overloaded
[14:47] <holstein> thats an old box
[14:47] <xubuntu053> hehe okay will search for ram at ebay now
[14:47] <holstein> im using chromium-browser
[14:48] <Unit193> Firefox is a bit heavy still
[14:48] <xubuntu053> holstein: yeah its overloaded for my box ;) not in generall
[14:48] <holstein> i havent used puppy in a while
[14:48] <holstein> yeah, FF is probably still one of the heaviest
[14:48] <holstein> but, thats not why is running slow on a 600mhz with 256 of ram...
[14:48] <Unit193> But it's getting better, and it's the best
[14:49] <Unit193> Try midori/arora for that
[14:49] <xubuntu053> chrome.. also pretty good choise
[14:49] <holstein> yeah, midori is nice and light
[14:49] <holstein> opera used to run blazing fast on linux
[14:49] <xubuntu053> midori?
[14:49] <xubuntu053> browser?
[14:49] <holstein> !midori
[14:49] <Unit193> 600 w/356? Xubuntu won't run well, either AntiX, SliTaz, or Lubuntu
[14:49] <holstein> :/
[14:49] <Unit193> !info midori
[14:49] <xubuntu053> !g midori
[14:49] <drc> xubuntu053: You also might try Bodhi Linux...it's E17 on a ubuntu base...very minimal  http://www.bodhilinux.com/system.php
[14:52] <drc> E17 might take some getting used to, but it's darn pretty.
[15:15] <drc> Are "They" ever going to fix that irratating slowness in opening Thunar for the first time in a session?
[15:18] <Sysi> there's workaround, remove networking features (gvfs-plugins or something)
[15:19] <Sysi> personally I detest lag when deleting files more
[15:19] <drc> Sysi: That too :)
[15:19] <Sysi> *that* happens with quadcore and ssd too
[15:20] <drc> I never thought I'd say this, but this sort of stuff makes me wish for nautilus :(
[15:20] <Sysi> eww nautilus, dolphin is so much better
[15:20] <drc> Sysi: Yes, but I really don't want to pull half of the QT libraries with it
[15:21] <Sysi> you can't get more than 5GB root used by installing entire kde, xfce and gnome
[15:22] <drc> Sysi: It's not the space, it's the idea....
[15:22] <Sysi> or maybe 6GB nowdays, anyway
[15:22] <Sysi> drc: irony, I'm kind of running out of space in my root partition
[15:22] <drc> ah
[15:23] <Sysi> well, I'll reinstall when F16 is released
[15:24] <Sysi> I'm tempted to go with KDE :G
[15:41] <White--> hi, after I changed my monitor setup for 2 monitors (little different resolut) using randr, when moveing the mouse to the bottom of the screen, the starter bar does no longer come up
[15:41] <White--> Is there a way to get this working again?
[15:56] <[h4wk]> hi 2 all
[15:56] <[h4wk]> i have a problem :)
[15:58] <[h4wk]> Problem is with GTK
[15:58] <Sysi> White--: move panels to bigger screen
[16:00] <[h4wk]> Can somebody help me?
[16:00] <Sysi> no, you never told what's problem
[16:01] <Sysi> maybe, pop a question and see if someone has an ansver
[16:01] <[h4wk]> :D i will tell you :) I install new theme and activate it in appearence tool and GTK is not working in all apps
[16:02] <[h4wk]> how can I solve it to work in all
[16:02] <Sysi> 11.10? that theme propably doesn't have gtk3-theming, you can copy gtk3-part from greybird or some other theme that has it to make those apps look a little better
[16:03] <Sysi> or you just need to use theme that has gtk3 too
[16:03] <[h4wk]> these are gtk2, you are probably right :)
[16:06] <[h4wk]> Sysi you are right i copied GTK3 folder in some theme and I activate it and all apps that were not working are look like greybird :)
[16:06] <Sysi> kind of common problem nowdays
[16:07] <[h4wk]> And if I install some GTK3 theme it will work completely?
[16:09] <Sysi> it should, too bad there aren't too much complete themes; ubuntu default ambiance, gnome3 default adwaita, xubuntu default greybird and misc (buggy) themes at gnome-look.org
[16:09] <[h4wk]> Is there a way to make to work GTK2 theme or I must look only for GTK3?
[16:09] <[h4wk]> last question Sysi :)
[16:11] <steph7> hi where are driver hardware in xubuntu 11.04?
[16:11] <Sysi> [h4wk]: turning gtk2 theme into gtk3 theme basically means making new theme
[16:12] <[h4wk]> no no
[16:12] <[h4wk]> is there a chance to make it work gtk2 theme in 11.10 xubuntu?
[16:12] <Sysi> uhm no, you need both gtk2 and gtk3 part
[16:13] <[h4wk]> ok...tnx Sysi :)
[16:13] <drc> [h4wk]: They do work, with apps that aren't gtk3 compliant...other than that, no.
[16:13] <Sysi> steph7: unless you have brand new broadcom wifi or new ati graphics card, should work fine
[16:13] <Sysi> steph7: check with livecd/usb
[16:13] <Sysi> uhm where, basically in kernel
[16:14] <Sysi> just tell what doesn't work and how
[16:52] <drc> Anyone know of a fix for the sound icon in the indicator plugin UNmuting?  The popup bubble indicates the sound should be unmuted, but I must manually unmute the icon for the sound to work.
[16:53] <drc> I thought that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/852017 covered this (in theory), but the fix was commited and the behavior has continued.
[18:16] <aquant> hello. accidentally found nice picture https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=xubuntu-site.png
[18:37] <S_SubZero> grr still can't get xubuntu to connect smb to either win7 or OS X
[18:48] <GridCube> S_SubZero, installed gcfs-backends ?
[18:48] <GridCube> S_SubZero, installed gvfs-backends ?
[18:48] <S_SubZero> yeah I see the options in Gigolo but it throws errors connecting.
[18:49] <GridCube> well thats weird
[18:49] <GridCube> sadly i don't know much about samba :(
[18:50] <S_SubZero> the network browser in Thunar can see the OS X machine, both smb and afp, but neither works
[18:51] <S_SubZero> smb just asks for password into infinity
[18:51] <S_SubZero> oh wait suddenly it works.  @.@
[19:23] <MrBobbly> hello
[19:24] <GridCube> hello
[19:24] <MrBobbly> requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user
[19:24] <GridCube> ?
[19:24] <MrBobbly> can;t log in
[19:24] <GridCube> oh
[19:24] <knome> segmentation fault
[19:24] <MrBobbly> that;s the pam error
[19:24] <knome> quitting
[19:24] <knome> /quit
[19:24] <knome> ;)
[19:31] <MrBobbly> yeah that error is a showstopper
[19:31] <MrBobbly> anyone know of it?
[19:32] <MrBobbly> i think it's related to .gvdm or whatever that directory is called
[19:32] <MrBobbly> either way, if i can't find a fix asap then 11.10 goes back on the shelf
[19:33] <MrBobbly> and unfortunately linux gets another failing grade as a desktop
[19:35] <ToZ> MrBobbly: anything in ~/.xsession-errors of user account you are trying to login to?
[19:39] <MrBobbly> Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_US.
[19:39] <MrBobbly> Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default.
[19:39] <MrBobbly> /usr/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display :1
[19:39] <MrBobbly> xrdb:  "Xft.hinting" on line 13 overrides entry on line 6
[19:39] <MrBobbly> xrdb:  "Xft.hintstyle" on line 14 overrides entry on line 7
[19:40] <MrBobbly> ssh-agent is already running
[19:40] <MrBobbly> xfce4-session: Unable to access file /home/adam/.ICEauthority: Input/output error
[19:40] <MrBobbly> ahh damn
[19:40] <MrBobbly> meant to paste this http://pastebin.com/EaKRfEmZ
[19:40] <MrBobbly> a meta-paste meta screwup
[19:42] <ToZ> Try deleting /home/adam/.ICEauthority (may need root permissions), then try again
[19:49] <xubuntu336> Hello, world!
[19:49] <knome> hey
[19:50] <MrBobbly> t ToZ that did the trick, ty
[19:50] <MrBobbly> can you shed some light as to why?
[19:50] <MrBobbly> i mean i was using the box last night
[19:50] <MrBobbly> shut down
[19:51] <MrBobbly> slept (i know, this step is risky)
[19:51] <MrBobbly> and then it just stopped working
[19:51] <xubuntu336> Yeah it is the first time i use the IRC service!
[19:51] <knome> xubuntu336, welcome
[19:51] <ToZ> MrBobbly: .iceauthority and .xauthority premission issues in 10.11 *buntus.
[19:52] <ToZ> Mr Bobbly: is yours a fresh xubuntu install or update/upgrade from previous version or ubuntu version?
[19:53] <ToZ> Mr Bobbly: don't think i've ever seen an official reason why? just fixes.
[19:53] <knome> many things changed in 11.10 anyway
[19:53] <knome> upgrades can always break
[19:58] <MrBobbly> it was a clean install 11.10
[19:59] <knome> there can be permission problems if you have enabled root account
[20:01] <olvin> Is there anybody who knows how to create applets for xfce panel?
[20:02] <well_laid_lawn> I'm sure there is
[20:04] <olvin> Yes i'm sure too =)
[20:04] <Boxman> hi, would someone be able to help me with a sound issue?
[20:05] <well_laid_lawn> Boxman: it'll probably depend on what the issue is
[20:06] <Boxman> point taken, okay,
[20:06] <Boxman> I just installed xubuntu 11.10 and my sound driver that worked in regular Ubuntu 11.10 has no audio output
[20:06] <Boxman> it's a stereo set to usb converter
[20:07] <Boxman> though I also have an lx-3000 microsoft headset if that might help for debugging
[20:07] <Boxman> neither of them work
[20:07] <well_laid_lawn> does it show in aplay -l or alsamixer -c 0  ?
[20:07] <GridCube> Boxman did you tried installing pavocontrol?
[20:07] <GridCube> pavucontrol
[20:08] <GridCube> gods im dyslexic today
[20:08] <Boxman> not yet, installing that now
[20:09] <GridCube> also do what well_laid_lawn said and a lspci and paste all the results on a pastebin
[20:09] <GridCube> now i gotta go :P
[20:09] <Boxman> oh hey, it works, I guess I just hadn't selected the driver properly
[20:09] <GridCube> :)
[20:09] <Boxman> thanks so much
[20:10] <GridCube> good to hear
[20:10] <GridCube> :)
[20:10] <olvin> =)
[20:10] <Boxman> =)
[20:10] <Boxman> see ya
[20:18] <azzi> sdf
[20:32] <mongy> Any netspeed like app for xfce?  I don't like the builtin one for the panel, need to hover it to see up/down speed.  Don't want to use conky.  Tried indicator-sysmonitor which I use in ubuntu but doesn't quite work properly.  Ideas? Just want something to sit in the panel to show me up/down speeds.
[21:16] <w30> mongy, w you settle for a netspeed applet from screenlets
[21:16] <w30> w/would
[21:42] <mongy> back.  I'd rather have it in the panel, like netspeed does it.  I am trying to stay away from anything on the desktop
[21:43] <well_laid_lawn> icons look so much better without a coloured background behind the text
[21:44] <mongy> I read there was something called xfapplet or some such that could add gnome2 applets to xfce panel, but never got it compiledd or working
[22:05] <w30> MrBobbly, check the premissions in your home directory especially .Xclients; Mine somehow got chaned to root ownership and stopprf gui cold.
[22:06] <w30> stopprf/stopped
[22:07] <w30> premissions/permissions   ...must be the vicodin
[22:10] <MisterQuebecois> Hello
[22:10] <w30> some in here said don't sudo or su -i to run a GUI. Use gksu <app> as a safer alternative
[22:13] <ball> Does Ubuntu come with a tool that would let me look for NFS shares on another host?
[22:13] <ball> s/Ubuntu/Xubuntu/
[23:32] <koszal> Hello all,  I've just upgraded from some old release of xubuntu to the new one and somehow I've managed to get lost gnome-volume-control-applet that is used to display volume control in panel.  Which package provided this?
[23:32] <zacarias> how do you install a new splash screen?
[23:36] <zacarias> never mind, I already know it
[23:55] <xubuntu244> ll
[23:56] <xubuntu244> wholy crap. one can chat on irc during xubuntu installation.


[00:00] <Maahes> I has not touched grub ^_^
[00:07] <Maahes> lost connection for a second, so I may have missed anything said to me
[00:10] <crimsun> hmm
[00:15] <crimsun> I don't have a 10.04 image loaded to verify, but it does seem odd that initrd.img.gz is sought.  It implies something is very non-standard.
[00:16] <crimsun> wait, are you trying to install a newer kernel onto the usb image?
[00:20] <Maahes> crimsun, yes.
[00:34] <Maahes> just did a reinstall and found the issue, I need to make more space on the drive so gzip can unpack
[04:36] <symptom> hello.  Does anyone know where in the src tree i can find WPA implementation
[04:45] <crimsun> you'd want wpa_supplicant, probably.  The relevant hooks are in net/wireless/ and drivers/net/wireless/
[04:47] <symptom> thanks.  Im looking for where WPA prompts for password
[04:48] <crimsun> oh, that's supplicant-side, then.
[04:49] <symptom> thanks
[08:32] <tjaalton> I guess everyone is asleep at UDS, but I've got a hard time installing a HP BL460c blade with cciss controller. the latest lucid installer image says it can't load cciss.ko because of "unknown symbol compat_alloc_user_space"
[08:32] <tjaalton> I've installed one on August, so it should be a regression in the newer image
[08:35] <tjaalton> will try the image from July next..
[09:27] <tjaalton> yep, only the release kernel from Apr 26th seems to work, anything newer is broken
[09:28] <tjaalton> also bnx2 doesn't complain about crc32c on that kernel, making it several minutes faster to boot
[09:47] <tjaalton> filed bugs 667187 and 667189
[09:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 667187 in linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) ""cciss: Unknown symbol compat_alloc_user_space" on installation images newer than 10.04 release (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667187
[09:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 667189 in linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) ""bnx2: Unknown symbol crc32c" on newer 10.04 installation images (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667189
[15:23] <Ian_Corne> what's the relevant room for xorg questions?
[15:24] <crimsun> meaning the irc channel or the room(s) at UDS/
[15:24] <crimsun> #ubuntu-x is the former
[15:42] <Ian_Corne> i wanted the former :)
[15:42] <Ian_Corne> thanks
[15:43] <nigelb> Ian_Corne: you can look at the schedule here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/
[15:44] <nigelb> Look for sessions which are interesting to you and find the rooms they are in
[15:45] <Ian_Corne> I meant the irc channel :)
[15:46] <jpds> Ian_Corne: #ubuntu-x ?
[15:46] <nigelb> where's the list of irc channels for uds when you want it :/
[15:47] <crimsun> they're linked on summit
[15:47] <crimsun> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/ ; see the trailing vertical column ("By room")
[17:42] <joaopinto> hi
[17:43] <joaopinto> my system is hardly usable due to bug 569680, can someone provide some possible workarounds ?
[17:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 569680 in linux (Ubuntu) "Hard disk write/read freezes for 10 seconds several times in session (affects: 6) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569680
[17:43] <joaopinto> also, who is reponsible to set the bug to confirmed ?
[19:12] <Maahes_> hello, how do I get http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.35-maverick/ as a repository? I tried adding the kernel-ppa, and it added to my sources.list.d but I guess there's nothing in it? because it doesn't show up in Origins in Synaptic
[19:20] <lag> Maahes_:  Have you updated since you added the PPA?
[20:51] <lamont> 2.4+ kernel w/o ELF notes? -- report this <-- le huh?  what's firefox talking about?
[22:11] <Maahes_> lag: Yes, I did an apt-get update.
[22:12] <Maahes_> I just added two other ppas and they show up
[22:23] <Maahes_> is http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main the wrong address for the kernel ppa?
[22:31] <Maahes_> this is really frustrating because it's hitting the server, but no packages.