[00:14] <david_> trying to get phpmyadmin going and get this message "Cannot load mysqli extension. Please check your PHP configuration" . Where do I configure for mysqli? I've cheked and php works, apache2 works and mysql is ok. thanks for any help ...been hours searching myself on internet
[00:16] <h0rjulf> david_: is it installed ?
[00:17] <david_> I don't know where to look exactly.... have been in
[00:19] <david_> have been in /etc/php5/conf.d and it is there
[00:20] <h0rjulf> and whats inside the file
[00:20] <david_> h0rjulf: ; configuration for php MySQL module
[00:20] <david_> extension=mysqli.so
[00:21] <h0rjulf> is uncomented, so it should be loaded
[00:21] <smoser> mjfork, around ?
[00:22] <david_> h0rjulf: that is my thought
[00:22] <h0rjulf> you can check by creating a file with the phpinfo() function
[00:22] <smoser> soren, a few weeks ago you asked about booting images outside of a "cloud"
[00:22] <smoser> and i didn't have much doc for you.
[00:23] <smoser> i just wrote some: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/ovf/README
[00:23] <david_> h0rjulf: I may see something here...is uncommented mean no ";" ?
[00:24] <david_> h0rjulf: becasue even though it does not show up in my paste in IRC I see a ";" at the beginning of the line (; configuration for php MySQL module
[00:24] <h0rjulf> david_: yes
[00:25] <david_> h0rjulf: oo! let me try that...I am very new to Linux
[00:26] <h0rjulf> david_: the "extension=mysqli.so" part is what counts
[00:26] <h0rjulf> david_: the first line is only a comment
[00:34] <david_> ok let me look again....no there is not comment just "extension=mysqli.so"
[00:40] <david_> h0rjulf: what file calls the extension?
[00:44] <david_> h0rjulf: in config.inc.php exists "$cfg['Servers'][$i]['extension'] = 'mysqli';"
[00:51] <david_> h0rjulf: thanks for the help. must go cheers
[01:07] <enmand> Hi, all. Is there a specific package for Juju charms to deploy in Oneiric? Namely for OpenStack deployment?
[01:10] <smoser> enmand, you might want to ask in #juju
[01:11] <enmand> Okay, I will give that a shot
[01:11] <enmand> I guess the bigger question is the Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure stuff -- does that all use Orchestra and Juju to deploy Openstack?
[01:13] <enmand> I mean, I've installed juju in Oneiric, but there doesn't seem to be any predefined charms?
[01:58] <wip> i am doing a do-release-upgrade on hardy i get this warning: Failed to read mirror file?
[01:58] <wip> how bad it is
[02:13] <wip> libpam0g : Services to restart for PAM library upgrade: postgresql-8.3 but not mysql? is this normal?
[02:21] <wip> still upgrading, desinstalling and installing... hopefully everything will work
[02:35] <mjfork> smoser: yes
[02:35] <smoser> mjfork, i'm still around .
[02:35] <smoser> whats up?
[02:36] <mjfork> i was talking with dustin about cloud-init and using it to install the proper set of packages based on machine role
[02:37] <mjfork> it sounded as if there may be a repository of ready-made scripts for some common ones (apache web server, mysql db server, etc)
[02:38] <smoser> hm..
[02:38] <smoser> well, not so much.
[02:39] <smoser> there are some things in awstrial (which backs http://try.cloud.ubuntu.com)
[02:39] <smoser> they're likely to partially exist in the form of "cloud-config" snippits.
[02:39] <smoser> and you definitely *can* do such things with cloud-init
[02:40] <smoser> however i think the way most people turn a stock image into something useful is puppet, chef, or juju or something like that.
[02:40] <smoser> they'll use cloud-init to bootstrap them into one of those and let that take over.
[03:06] <mjfork> ok
[03:07] <wip> so far so good!! only postgresql doesn
[03:07] <wip> doesn't work, something about pg_upgradecluster...
[03:09] <mjfork> wip: what was your old vresion of postgres?
[03:09] <wip> 8.3 = hardy default
[03:09] <mjfork> and the new one?
[03:09] <wip> do-release-upgrade removed it and installed 8.4
[03:09] <wip> major update, but now no more database (data)
[03:10] <wip> i don't know what to do now
[03:10] <mjfork> did you have a database there you needed migrated?
[03:10] <wip> mjfork: yes, i have a dump_all
[03:11] <wip> not sure if i need to do pg_upgradecluster!?
[03:11] <mjfork> ok, so you dumped it to a text file and can load from that. you don't need the existing data director?
[03:11] <wip> i would love to avoid using the backup and simply tell pg to use the "old" data
[03:11] <mjfork> ok
[03:11] <wip> is that what pg_upgradecluster do?
[03:12] <mjfork> i believeso, but have never used it.
[03:12] <wip> pg_upgradecluster -v 8.4 8.3 main not sure about main
[03:13] <mjfork> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1473404#3
[03:13] <mjfork> check out that thread.
[03:13]  * wip reading
[03:13] <mjfork> then this one
[03:13] <mjfork> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1487895
[03:15] <wip> mjfork: i don't want to install 8.3 but keep 8.4 and have the data
[03:16] <mjfork> right, i read that to mean the pg_upgradecluster requires both 8.3 and 8.4 to be installed
[03:16] <mjfork> you can try and upgrade
[03:16] <mjfork> pg_upgradecluster 8.3 main
[03:16] <mjfork> run that, lets see if it works.
[03:18] <wip> mjfork: Error: specified cluster is not running
[03:18] <mjfork> right, looks like you need to have both postgresql 8.3 and 8.4 installed.
[03:19] <mjfork> "I could not use the 'pg_upgradecluster' utility to upgrade postgresql 8.3 to 8.4 because 8.3 is replaced by 8.4"
[03:20] <mjfork> baed on the first link, you need to stop postgresql, run "apt-get update && apt-get install postgresql-8.3"
[03:20] <mjfork> and then try upgrade
[03:20] <wip> is it possible to have 8.3 and 8.4 install at the same time?!
[03:21] <mjfork> thats how i read the the first link
[03:24]  * wip install pgsql8.3
[03:25] <wip> damn so close:  * The PostgreSQL server failed to start. Please check the log output:
[03:25] <wip> FATAL:  invalid value for parameter "lc_messages": "en_CA"
[03:26] <mjfork> was that in the upgradecluser?
[03:26] <wip> mjfork: no just trying to start 8.3
[03:29] <wip> locale -a there's no en_CA
[03:30] <twb> locale-gen en_CA.UTF-8 en_CA
[03:32] <wip> twb: THX!
[03:32] <twb> You really should be using en_CA.UTF-8, not en_CA
[03:32] <wip> Creating new cluster (configuration: /etc/postgresql/8.4/main, data: /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main)...
[03:32] <twb> The latter will use an obsolete encoding.
[03:33] <wip> twb: ok will see where i should change this in pgsql
[03:33] <twb> wip: update-locale LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 or so
[03:33] <twb> wip: it's in /etc/default/ or so, not pg specifically
[03:33] <wip> twb: is this pgsql related?
[03:33] <wip> twb: ok
[03:33] <twb> No, it's system-wide
[03:36] <wip> it works!! i have my data
[03:36] <twb> Shrug
[04:04] <smoser> hallyn_, around ?
[04:05] <pukeko> howdy al, i am wanting to migrate the OS (Lucid) of a physical file-server with soft-raid /dev/md0 /dev/md1 etc to a VM on another box -- i was thinking about using Clonezilla but from memory last time i tried to clone partitions of a raid i ran into problems ... any advice
[04:05] <pukeko> *?
[04:12] <rnigam> hi I have a bunch of host os's running debian and all the guest vm's running on ubuntu 10.10 . I am primarily using open source Xen Hypervisor. I have been wondering if I should upgrade them all to 11.10 . I basically want to keep the same os for guest and host and I want to be able to switch from Xen hypervisor to KVM whenever needed. Just wanted to check if there are any obvious hurdles or major changes that I might have to worry
[04:12] <The_Tick> I performed an apt-get upgrade ruby
[04:12] <The_Tick> and now none of my ssh users can authenticate
[04:12] <The_Tick> nothing seems wrong in the ssh config, but I'm lost
[04:14] <The_Tick> any ideas?
[04:14] <rnigam> just to addto my earlier post above, I am using the server edition. Any comments or suggestions will help.
[04:46] <rnigam> wow any one?
[04:47] <The_Tick> let me look
[04:48] <The_Tick> is it broken? :)
[04:48] <The_Tick> if it isn't, why are you fixing it? ;)
[06:00] <Hdale85> Hi guys, I just did a dist upgrade to upgrade my server from 8.04 to 10.04 and now my raid array is no longer attached to md0, any help on how to recover my array?
[06:08] <SinnerNyx> i'm trying to install fluxbox on ubuntu-server
[06:08] <SinnerNyx> do i need to install xubuntu-desktop first?
[06:10] <twb> SinnerNyx: you do not
[06:10] <SinnerNyx> twb. how do i start it after i do apt-get install fluxbox
[06:10] <twb> SinnerNyx: however you probably want to install the X server as well (apt-get install xserver-xorg or so)
[06:11] <SinnerNyx> ok and will that start automatically?
[06:11] <twb> No
[06:11] <twb> I suppose in that case you also want to install a display manager
[06:12] <SinnerNyx> twb, not to be a pester, but is there a standard one?
[06:13] <twb> Well, gdm would probably Just Work, but pull in a lot of shit
[06:13] <twb> Of course you could instead just install xinit, log in at the tty, then start your GUI session by hand
[06:14] <SinnerNyx> twb, i think i'll go xinit. i'll try to research how to get it working. thx for all the help
[06:14] <twb> http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.xinitrc
[06:15] <twb> That's an elaborate example, you really only need something like "xterm & exec fluxbox"
[06:15] <SinnerNyx> sweet. thx
[06:18] <twb> Why do you want a GUI in the first place?
[06:19] <twb> If it's just to run an app, you might be better to e.g. install the app and run it remotely with "ssh -X your-server the-app"
[06:19] <SinnerNyx> twb, actually I run bg %1 and bg 1 and the background app still is STOPPED
[06:20] <SinnerNyx> i've tried everything, and I need to be able to switch between apps
[06:20] <twb> uh that's because your app is daft
[06:20] <Hdale85> Alright I'm back. I'm trying to figure out how to recover my raid array after doing a dist-upgrade. I thought it would just save all my setup from before and let me mount md0 like I always have.
[06:20] <SinnerNyx> the app is grep
[06:20] <twb> You probably just want nohup, or if you want to be fancy, GNU Screen
[06:20] <Hdale85> my array was built with mdadm by the way
[06:20] <SinnerNyx> its a virtualbox and i'm using ttys
[06:20] <twb> SinnerNyx: pastebin the command or whatever that you're doing
[06:21] <SinnerNyx> grep -r "https://...." /
[06:21] <twb> Hdale85: so what, you're stuck in the initramfs?
[06:21] <SinnerNyx> grep -r "https://...." / > inittest
[06:21] <SinnerNyx> thats the actual command
[06:22] <Hdale85> twb, i just did the dist upgrade and it's logged in but there is no md0 device now. I'm just not sure how to recover the array without losing the data that's on it.
[06:22] <Hdale85> or if recover is even what I want to do?
[06:22] <Hdale85> i did a dist-upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04 to stay on the newer LTS
[06:22] <twb> Hdale85: oh, so you aren't booting from the array?
[06:22] <Hdale85> nooo i have a separate OS drive
[06:22] <twb> OK, pastebin /proc/mdstat's contents
[06:23] <Hdale85> ok give me a sec
[06:23] <twb> ubottu: eol
[06:24] <twb> Hdale85: AFAICT some packages within 8.04 are maintained until 13.04
[06:24] <Hdale85> I was trying to add some features to the server and was running into issues which is what prompted the upgrade, until now it's mostly just been a file server so I haven't cared much
[06:25] <twb> Shrug
[06:27] <Hdale85> http://pastebin.com/4yrCw6Un
[06:27] <Hdale85> looks like it's listing 4 drives
[06:27] <Hdale85> out of 6
[06:28] <twb> Now see if the drives are in /proc/partitions
[06:28] <Hdale85> the OS drive is IDE so I believe the array was sda-f
[06:28] <twb> Oh, I see what has happeend
[06:29] <twb> You raided partitions, right?  That paste shows it trying to assemble drives, not partitions
[06:29] <Hdale85> no I believe I raided the drives and then built a partition on top of it?
[06:29] <Hdale85> I could be wrong though it's been about 3 years since I've messed with it
[06:29] <twb> Hm, OK, that is unusual
[06:30] <Hdale85> http://pastebin.com/eNp74ZHP
[06:30] <twb> I have seen this kind of problem before, where what happens is this: you have partitions, and then RAID the partitions together.  Then later on, mdadm sees the *disks* as being part of the array, and never looks at the partition table
[06:30] <twb> So then it tries to assemble the whole disks, and explodes
[06:30] <Hdale85> hmm
[06:31] <twb> This is because the partition goes all the way to the very end of the disk, and the mdadm metadata (used to) live at the end of the parittion
[06:31] <twb> So when it sees stuff at the end of the disk, it could be either disk or partition, and at at lucid, the former "wins"
[06:31] <Hdale85> so if I did raid the partition rather then the disks, how do we make it see the partitions instead of the disks?
[06:31] <twb> Hmm, but there are no partitions on your disks (according to /proc/partitions), so it looks like you are seeing something different
[06:32] <Hdale85> oh
[06:32] <twb> What I would try is this: mdadm /dev/md_d0 --stop ; mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb ...
[06:32] <Hdale85> :( I really hope I don't lose everything, 5TB's of data pretty much as the array was almost full
[06:32] <twb> hopefully that will give an error, or work
[06:32] <Hdale85> if they weren't originally assembled in that order would it matter?
[06:33] <twb> Order doesn't matter
[06:33] <twb> spares vs. active might matter, I don't normally have spares.  I don't THINK it matters
[06:33] <Hdale85> i didn't have any spares, just a raid 5 array with a single redundancy drive
[06:34] <twb> afk pub
[06:34] <Hdale85> hmm failed to create /dev/md0
[06:35] <Hdale85> ok
[06:36] <Hdale85> mdadm: cannot open device /dev/sda: Device or resource busy
[06:36] <Hdale85> mdadm: /dev/sda has no superblock - assembly aborted
[06:45] <Hdale85> ugh....I'm worried now lol
[06:49] <SinnerNyx> sudo xterm & exec fluxbox returns: "Warning: failed to open file(/usr/share/fluxbox/nls/en_CA.UTF-8/fluxbox.cat)"
[06:56] <Hdale85> seems all my drive letters are 1 off what they used to be, would that matter for anything?
[06:58] <Hdale85> used to be /dev/sdb-g but now it's /dev/sda-f
[07:08] <Hdale85> WOOT! got it on my own haha. Ok so I did a mdadm --examine each device to check they were all good and ok, then a did an mdadm -- assemble --uuid=cecc1b14:18a97724:462a36bb:f8f383a4 /dev/md0
[07:08] <Hdale85> with that it mounted all 6 drives and started the array
[07:09] <Hdale85> so I guess if you build an array with drives instead of partitions it's best to mount with the uuid
[07:11] <trapmax> i think you should usually use uuid except when using lv partition (snapshot has same uuid)
[07:12] <Hdale85> hmm well everything I read said to just assemble by listing each drive
[07:12] <Hdale85> either way though glad that worked I was freaking out a bit and now I know a bit more about mdadm again....hopefully it's not 3 years before I use it again or else I'll just forget
[07:12] <koolhead17> hi all
[07:13] <Hdale85> although should be adding new drives soon as I'm getting a bit desperate for space
[07:31] <soren> smoser: Cool, thanks!
[08:07] <cocoongg> ？
[08:08] <twb> Hdale85: don't forget to check that it is still working after a reboot
[08:09] <Hdale85> yeah, I'd definitely notice lol
[08:09] <cocoongg> how can i launch my software with the terminal after i install it using ape-get
[08:09] <Hdale85> it should save the assembly though right?
[08:09] <twb> Depends, hence check
[08:10] <Hdale85> lol
[08:11] <cocoongg> twb: do you know how can i launch my software with the terminal after i install it using ape-get
[08:11] <twb> cocoongg: plonk
[08:11] <_ruben> ape-get: the apt-get for monkeys!
[08:11] <twb> ape-get does not have sun wukong powers
[08:12] <twb> !zh
[08:12] <cocoongg> 。。
[08:12] <cocoongg> sorry
[08:16] <w00> Non-working upgrades are so frustrating :[
[08:16] <cocoongg> 英语还是不行阿，交流有问题
[08:20] <twb> !english
[08:25] <cocoongg> sorry
[08:33] <palt> Is there a way of looking at the mail sent from an exim server?
[08:37] <_ruben> weird .. reading from a raid1 mdadm array only seems to touch 1 of the 2 disks according to iostat
[08:39] <twb> Well, duh
[08:39] <twb> why would it need to read both
[08:42] <_ruben> increased performance, when done properly ... then again, as in this case it should be all pretty linear, it wouldn't help much anyway indeed
[09:44] <progre55> hi guys. I'm using Lucid server for a couple of machines, and I've come across the consolekit memory leaking bug. I've read that it's safe to simply remove consolekit on servers, as they dont require any X processes. Just wanted to make sure, before uninstalling it, as I dont have physical access to the machines if it fails. So, is it safe to remove consolekit?
[09:44] <progre55> the current consolekit version: 0.4.1
[09:45] <jamespage> smoser: Merged you branches for ec2 testing - also did *alot* of tidyup and pushed a new version of the package to ppa:ubuntu-server-ec2-testing-dev/testing for oneiric
[10:36] <jamespage> rbasak, did that work on the samba post-removal script get included in oneiric?
[10:37] <rbasak> jamespage: no
[10:37] <rbasak> jamespage: so I sent it to debian to see what happens there as we have time now this cycle
[10:38] <jamespage> rbasak, what was the bug id? *lots* of 11.10 upgrade errors in the new queue this morning - think they might be related
[10:38] <webirc1231> I have a question, on my ubunu linux server with postfix, dovecot and mail-stack-delivery, everything was woking fine, but now dovecot's sasl for postfix smtp stopped working unexplicably to me. dovecot-auth is not created anymore in /var/spool/postfix/private/
[10:39] <webirc1231> how can i fix it? it appears /etc/dovecot/auth.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.auth is not included in dovecot's config anymore
[10:39] <rbasak> jamespage: bug 862129
[10:39] <jamespage> rbasak, yep - its the same problem
[10:40] <rbasak> jamespage: yeah I agree
[10:41] <jamespage> webirc1231, which version of ubuntu are you running
[10:42] <webirc1231> 11.10, have set up everything on the beta about ten days ago
[10:42] <webirc1231> i cannot say with certainty that an update broke the configuration...
[10:43] <jamespage> webirc1231, hmm - well it might have done
[10:43] <jamespage> 11.10 introduced a new version of dovecot
[10:43] <patdk-lap> got 2.x?
[10:43] <jamespage> and the mail-stack-delivery configuration was borked for a while
[10:43] <jamespage> patdk-wk, yep
[10:43] <webirc1231> yes, but I have been using 11.10 from the start, so no major version jumps in my config
[10:44] <patdk-lap> he doesn't mean version bumbs
[10:44] <webirc1231> I should have backed up the working config files, then I could have run a diff....
[10:44] <patdk-lap> he means configuration and package setup changes, without dovecot versionchanges
[10:45] <webirc1231> something must have changes, that's for sure, before dovecot-auth was created in postfix' private directory now it isn't
[10:49] <webirc1231> I will just purge the mail packages and start over again, then I will see if it's working and what the difference is, but I don't have a lot of time to do that. i have searched the bugDB, could not find similar reports
[10:50] <webirc1231> unfortunately because the structure of the configuration files has apparantly changed so much, I cannot find a lot of info
[10:51] <jamespage> webirc1231, before you do please let me take a look; I did the fix on the mail-stack-delivery config for oneiric - it may have been an oversight on my behalf
[10:53] <webirc1231> My guess would be /etc/dovecot/auth.d/01-mail-stack-delivery should be included somewhere. As the listeners appear to be created by 10-master.conf i would put the commands there, but i don't have a clue really...
[10:55] <patdk-lap> what does the last lines of your dovecot.conf file contain?
[10:58] <webirc1231> at the end two files are included: !include conf.d/*.conf !include_try local.conf
[10:58] <jamespage> dovecot 1.x included - !include_try /etc/dovecot/auth.d/*.auth
[10:58] <koolhead17> lynxman: hey
[10:58] <jamespage> 2.x does not
[10:59] <webirc1231> i have searched for any inclusion of 01-mail-stack-delivery or auth.d/*.auth there is none
[10:59] <webirc1231> 01-mail-stack-delivery.auth .conf is included
[11:00] <webirc1231> i had to edit some files to use pgsql as a backend by the way, could that have broken an update?
[11:01] <patdk-lap> editing any file, will cause updates to that file to break
[11:01] <patdk-lap> if that matters or not, largely depends on the update
[11:01] <patdk-lap> and it will prompt you what you want to do
[11:03] <webirc1231> No prompts, I suppose it should still have worked if any update did not changed the edited files, except if there are some interconnections that were changed, but I suppose filling in db-passwords and commenting out auth-sql should not break things like that
[11:03] <patdk-lap> just add: !include_type /etc/dovecot/auth.d/*auth
[11:03] <patdk-lap> to the end of dovecot.conf
[11:04] <jamespage> patdk-lap, I think that the  01-mail-stack-delivery.auth won't work with 2.x (looking at my test install anyways)
[11:05] <patdk-lap> hmm, if he installed from beta, shouldn't he have always had 2.x?
[11:06] <patdk-lap> webirc1231, you installed dovecot from 11.10 right? you didn't install it from something else, then upgrade to 11.10?
[11:07] <webirc1231> no, I installed from beta, so no previous versions, i can check in the apt-log what versions of mail-stack-delivery were installed
[11:07] <jamespage> patdk-lap: hmm
[11:08] <jamespage> Daviey: lots of samba 11.10 upgrade errors BTW on postrm
[11:08] <webirc1231> 2.0.13-1ubuntu3  no updates to that package in the logs
[11:09] <webirc1231> mail-stack-delivery:i386 2.0.13-1ubuntu3 for clarity (no samba ;) )
[11:10] <jamespage> That version landed on the 29/09
[11:10] <jamespage> sorry 27/09
[11:11] <jamespage> up until that point mail-stack-delivery was broken; the config mean't that dovecot would not start
[11:12] <webirc1231> 2011-10-03 was the date I installed
[11:13] <webirc1231> wait a second.... the log is not complete... probably there is an update as I remember in sebtember
[11:15] <webirc1231> first installation of mail-stack-delivery on 28-9 mail-stack-delivery:i386 (2.0.13-1ubuntu2) but I purged that version...
[11:16] <webirc1231> and reinstalled, updated on 28-9 (UTC) and purged that one again on 2011-10-03 so I suppose the base for my setup is a clean 2.0.13-1ubuntu3
[11:17] <jamespage> webirc1231, and postfix -> dovecot sasl auth was working?
[11:17] <webirc1231> yes
[11:17]  * jamespage scratches his head
[11:18] <webirc1231> no issues at all, but I cannot recall if/what I (had to) edit
[11:18] <webirc1231> I will just purge again and set it up again
[11:19] <webirc1231> if it does not work i will mention it here (or as a bug report) again, but it can take some time, I have to leave the channel now, duty calls! Thank you for your feedback
[11:24] <jamespage> Daviey: think dovecot will need an SRU to fix that up ^^
[11:24]  * jamespage goes to work on that
[11:36] <szymon_g> hi
[11:38] <szymon_g> i know it's probably a stupid question: but how can i fix logical volume? i've freshly installed ubuntu /not server version: but i recognise that here i'm most likely to receive help/, during firs start i got problems with /dev/lg_linugrat/lv_home /its on /dev/md1- raid10/- lvdisplay shows that this logvol is not available. any ideas what could go wrong?
[11:48] <szymon_g> ok, fixed. bye
[12:14] <smoser> jamespage, bah. i just saw that the install laid down a link in /usr/bin.
[12:14] <smoser> i had documented modifying path to /usr/share/ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/python/
[12:15] <jamespage> smoser: ah - I missed that for some reason
[12:17] <smoser> jamespage, source code is mjuch less confusing now.
[12:17] <smoser> with only one program that looks like it will run tests in src/
[12:17] <jamespage> smoser: yes it will
[12:17] <jamespage> I had left all the different ways I though about running tests in the branch - sorry
[12:17] <jamespage> it did confuse things
[12:18] <jamespage> but you are the first person other than me to look at the code - I think I just blanked them out
[12:19] <smoser> jamespage, and i just saw my inbox. . hooray for core dev.
[12:20] <jamespage> smoser: ta
[12:20] <jamespage> zul: when you start your day could do with a review of bug 874135
[12:21] <jamespage> zul: a bit of a pita but I think the fix is good
[12:24]  * RoyK tried upgrading his home server to 11.10 and found netatalk failing completely, rolling back to lucid....
[12:36] <enmand> Hi, all. I'm a little confused about the Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure stuff. If I wanted to deploy OpenStack to a group of servers, do I use Orchestra and Juju? Or is there another way that I'm missing entirely for Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure?
[12:37] <zul> jamespage: you dont need me to upload it anymore :)
[12:37] <jamespage> zul: I don't - I just want your opinion on the changes to the mail-stack-delivery configuration
[12:37] <zul> jamespage: ahhhh thats different
[12:41] <zul> jamespage: lemme know when you have something
[12:43] <jamespage> zul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707967/ is my proposed dovecot configuration
[12:43] <jamespage> based on reading: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL
[12:43] <jamespage> and reviewing the 1.2.x configuration in natty
[12:45] <enmand> Or is there a specific CD image for Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure?
[12:48] <zul> jamespage: looks good
[12:48] <jamespage> zul: appears to work OK
[12:48] <jamespage> I can see the socket being created and suchlike
[12:52] <nijaba> enmand: we are a little behind on the documentation of the process for orchestra and juju.  I believe kim0 is working on this as we speak
[12:55] <jamespage> zul: OK - I'm pretty happy thats all working OK
[12:55] <zul> jamespage: ok fire one off
[12:56] <nijaba> enmand: watch for a blog post on cloud.ubuntu.com about this in the next few hours
[13:04] <enmand> nijaba: ah, great. That would have notes on Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure and OpenStack and all that as well
[13:06] <orudie> what do brackets mean in output of ps ?
[13:14] <RoyK> orudie: kernel process
[13:21] <hallyn_> smoser: was out yesterday, here today
[13:22] <smoser> hallyn_, is it possible to make 'shutdown', 'poweroff', 'halt' or 'reboot' work correctly in lxc container ?
[13:22] <_ruben> orudie: from the manpage: "Sometimes the process args will be unavailable; when this happens, ps will instead print the executable name in brackets."
[13:24] <hallyn_> smoser: in a *lxc* container, yes.  libvirt-lxc, perhaps not.
[13:25] <hallyn_> a piece of kernel functionality is missing, so lxc emulates it by watching the guest's utmp
[13:25] <hallyn_> libvirt-lxc probably doesn't do that, so it has no way of telling what a guest is doing
[13:26] <koolhead17> weekend begins!!
[13:27] <smoser> hallyn_, you gonna fix that by the end of the day ? or should i give you till Monday. :)
[13:32] <zul> no rush or anything :)
[13:37] <hallyn_> smoser: no, if you want that fixed, push dlezcano on #lxcontainers to push the kernel container reboot patchset
[13:38] <hallyn_> (or use, as stgraber calls it, "a real lxc" :)
[13:38] <smoser> hallyn_, i was willing to give you till monday
[13:38] <smoser> dont' be rude
[13:38] <smoser> :)
[13:38] <hallyn_> i appreciate that
[13:39] <hallyn_> smoser: let me think a bit on whether there might be an easy way to fake it
[13:39] <hallyn_> (but i suspect not, else lxc woldn't go tot he trouble to watch utmp)
[13:40] <smoser> i'd think that 'kill -9 1' would result in "halt"
[13:41] <Daviey> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:42]  * koolhead17 pours a glass of water to coll down Daviey !!
[13:43]  * RoyK hands Daviey a towel
[13:44] <w00> So i did an do-release-upgrade in natty, seemed to complete ok until after reboot where it freezes after adding swap ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30654423/oneiric_bootfail.PNG ) how could i debug this? I tried recovery mode and it went with remount and resume :[
[13:44] <w00> *went ok
[13:46]  * RoyK thinks 11.10 isn't really good enough yet
[13:46] <hallyn_> smoser: kill -9 from inside the container will not kill the init process.
[13:47] <hallyn_> biab
[13:51] <smoser> w00, your issue is probably not related to swap
[13:52] <smoser> you can try booting with 'verbose', which will flood you with much more information.
[13:53] <w00> hm, let's see
[14:50] <kpettit> Good morning.  Anybody have a good suggestion for a GUI Database program that can connect to MySQL and MSSQL?
[15:55]  * koolhead17 wonders what happened to bzr branch lp:openstack-dashboard
[15:55] <koolhead17> :(
[15:56] <koolhead17> soren: around
[15:57] <zul> it moved to github
[15:59] <koolhead17> i thought we had planned to sync the same on launchpad :(
[16:01] <koolhead17> zul: so i should modify the docs pointing github now?
[16:01] <koolhead17> k
[16:01] <zul> yes
[16:18] <genii-around> Sure are a lot of duplicates of that samba bug.
[17:21] <hallyn_> jamespage: could I get you to sponsor http://people.canonical.com/~serge/bacula-gawk.debdiff for me (for bug #645082)?
[17:21]  * hallyn_ biab
[17:25] <zul> utlemming: ping the arm images are armv7 right?
[17:26] <utlemming> zul: yup
[17:26] <utlemming> the arch type is "armel"
[17:28] <zul> utlemming: thanks thats what i thought
[17:28] <utlemming> zul: are they not working for you?
[17:29] <zul> utlemming: they are...im just going to get nova to recognize it as an armv7 rather than i386
[17:30] <utlemming> zul: ah, that might be a prudent idea :)
[17:59] <smoser> hallyn_, SpamapS why do you think https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/natty/lxc/fix-restart/+merge/70064 should be marked merged?
[17:59] <smoser> where was it fix-commited to?
[18:01] <hallyn_> smoser: i don't understand your question.
[18:01] <smoser> SpamapS, said "Serge, please mark this as merged.. I don't know why but LP won't let me do it."
[18:01] <smoser> where was it merged to ?
[18:01] <smoser> it seems to me fixe dno where.
[18:01] <hallyn_> it was pulled fixed from upstream
[18:02] <hallyn_> i don't know why we would care about marking it merged or not at this point
[18:02] <hallyn_> just leave that lie i'd say
[18:02] <SpamapS> I think it would be equally valid to just delete the MP, since the upload is now in the archive
[18:03] <smoser> why do you think the upload is in the archive?
[18:03] <hallyn_> smoser: devpts is not in the templates (except the fedora one, which is new)
[18:03] <hallyn_> the fix came in bc i sent hte patch upstream
[18:04] <hallyn_> hmm, is jamespage out for the week?
[18:05] <smoser> hallyn_, ok, then, do you expect that to be SRU'd to natty ?
[18:05] <smoser> james was in earlier today.
[18:08] <hallyn_> smoser: i think we tried already SRUing to natty, but noone would test?
[18:09] <smoser> ah. i see that now.
[18:10] <hallyn_> zul: could I get you to sponsor http://people.canonical.com/~serge/bacula-gawk.debdiff for me (for bug #645082) in place of jamespage?
[18:19] <ebachle> Hi all, bear with me as this is actually my first ever experience with IRC (and yeah this is pretty sad for being decently tech savvy).  But anyways, I'm looking for a bit of an idea as to what is the best way to set up one's partitions on a ubuntu server to enable data migration, updating, physical server migration, data backup/recovery, security, and all that kind of good stuff.
[18:20] <ersi> I'm sorry to say, that it's sort of a "how long is a string?" question.
[18:20] <ersi> Also, welcome aboard on IRC - we're still "kickin' it" ;)
[18:20] <ersi> I'd definitely utilise LVM if data migrations are your primary consern
[18:21] <ebachle> I guess they generally aren't a major concern
[18:21] <ebachle> so i guess let me give you some context to this issue
[18:21] <ebachle> maybe that'll help
[18:21] <ersi> might :)
[18:23] <ebachle> I'm a student working as the primary web app (and associated server) developer at my college and several of the open source solutions (specifically Kaltura and BigBlueButton) are linux only.  I personally wouldn't like to use the canned vmware images (servers are all vmware instances) because I want to know what's going on.
[18:23] <ebachle> Plus i have to be able to explain how to do all of this because in a year when i graduate (if they don't hire me) that leaves them with nobody with linux knowledge
[18:24] <ebachle> there are several people who could figure out stuff but in terms of doing it from scratch i've got to write all the guides and manuals to explain to them how to deal with it
[18:25] <ebachle> and as the problem is that if it breaks they don't have anyone i want to design it rock solid so it A) doesn't break and B) if it does break is easily recoverable and/or movable
[18:31] <ebachle> any thoughts @ersi?
[18:53] <nibalizer> are you guys the ones who do the oneric-server netboot images?
[18:54] <nibalizer> i've been trying all morning to pxe oneric and it consistently fails on network interface detection, and locks up my keyboard, can't switch to a tty or sysreq
[18:54] <nibalizer> any ideas?
[20:24] <kaje> I'm trying to allow a user to execute "sudo blkid" without a password. I've added this line to the sudoers file: joe ALL= NOPASSWD: /sbin/blkid      But, it still is prompting me for a password. Anyone see my mistake?
[20:25] <guntbert> kaje: if I remember correctly sudo /sbin/blkid   should work fine in this case - so the command must match exactly
[20:27] <kaje> Tried that… sudo is still asking for a password
[20:30] <kaje> Gah, it was because of where I was putting the line in the sudoers file
[20:31] <kaje> I was putting it above the %admin ALL… line and the %admin line was wiping out previous lines
[20:36] <guntbert> kaje: thx for reporting back - I didn't know about that either :-)
[21:40] <RoyK> for i in *; do echo hi $i ; done
[21:49] <blackxored> Hello guys, I'm setting a PPPD server, mgetty is continuosly restarting, anyone has a clue on why?
[21:50] <blackxored> "Peer is not authorized to use remote address" kind of msg
[22:52] <Theycallmeishmae> Bonjour hello. Someone has given me a complete .tar of server. I'm curious of how i am supposed to use this. Is there a way i can compile it into a ISO or something?
[22:59] <enmand_> Theycallmeishmae, you can download an ISO at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download
[23:00] <Theycallmeishmae> enmand_ that's not my problem. I have a full server backup of Ubuntu. How do i use it? Like a .tar of the entire OS
[23:00] <enmand_> Oh, sorry, I misunderstood
[23:00] <enmand_> You have a full .tar backup of everything?
[23:01] <Theycallmeishmae> Correct enmand_
[23:01] <enmand_> i.e. you did something like tar xzf backup.tar.gz /
[23:01] <enmand_> ?
[23:02] <Theycallmeishmae> It wasn't mine enmand_ someone gave it to me.It has the full OS in it.
[23:02] <enmand_> OK. I would suggest installing Ubuntu server from the ISO download above, then pick and choose the files you want from the .tar file
[23:04] <Theycallmeishmae> I need the whole OS. It's highly customized. :/
[23:04] <qman__> boot live, mount /, tar xzf to /
[23:04] <qman__> then grub-install
[23:04] <qman__> done deal
[23:05] <qman__> assuming you only have one partition, multiple partitions will be more complicated
[23:05] <qman__> and if /etc/fstab uses uuids, you'll have to change them
[23:05] <qman__> but otherwise
[23:06] <qman__> a tarball isn't the best way to do a full server backup though
[23:06] <enmand_> Still no word on documentation for Orchestra and Juju deployments of OpenStack or the Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure stuff?
[23:06] <qman__> much easier if you make an image
[23:15] <enmand_> Or really any Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure deployment docs
[23:15] <enmand_> Heh


[14:05] <xnox> fling:  there is linux-oem 5.14
[14:06] <xnox> fling:  dpaste expired?
[15:01] <fling> xnox: what is linux-oem?
[15:01] <fling> I found the working patch elsewhere
[15:01] <fling> the one for 5.14.something but it works for 5.14.14
[15:21] <xnox> fling:  one of the dozen of kernel flavours we maintain
[15:22] <xnox> for which there is focal repo, and v5.14 based kernel.
[15:24] <fling> xnox: focal is at 5.14.3 right?
[15:25] <fling> the patch is not building, erroring out
[15:26] <juergh> fling, which focal kernel?
[15:29] <fling> juergh: the 5.14.3 one
[15:35] <juergh> fling, that doesn't tell me what it is. what's the source name? linux-oem-5.14? where did you pull the source from?
[15:43] <juergh> fling, focal linux-oem-5.14 is 5.14.14. https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem/+git/focal
[15:43] <fling> idk what linux-oem-5.14 is
[15:44] <fling> ok, maybe I will try linux-oem later
[15:44] <fling> juergh: thanks :>
[15:44] <fling> idk how I missed it
[15:45] <juergh> it's an oem kernel so don't expect much support...
[16:06] <xnox> fling:  it's 5.14.0 + lots of ubuntu patches + lots of vendor specific / hw specific patches that may break stock systems + stable updates to 5.14.14 => but overall it should have shiftfs stuff extractable / ported to something that looks like v5.14.14
[16:07] <xnox> meaning if something is not working with shiftfs it is either fixed in that tree, or we have a regression which we would gladly take a bug report about
[16:22] <TJ-> is there still need for shiftfs now idmap is integrated since v5.12 ?
[16:27] <fling> TJ-: still needed until lxd implements the support
[16:28] <fling> xnox: ok :>
[16:32] <xnox> TJ-:  i think one needs both to use all the things lxd wants to do
[16:32] <xnox> i.e. nested container bind mount points


[00:00] <xTEMPLARx> yay quassel reinstalled at home :D
[00:50] <wrst> Way to go
[03:09] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[19:05] <xTEMPLARx_> whee
[19:06] <xTEMPLARx_> quassel lives on DO
[19:09] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: quassel on DO is a pretty solid setup or has been for me


[15:59] <arosales> o/
[16:00] <matsubara> o/
[16:00] <coreycb> o/
[16:00] <hallyn_> Morning all
[16:00] <hallyn_> #startmeeting Ubuntu Server Team Meeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 17 16:00:38 2015 UTC.  The chair is hallyn_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:00] <beisner> o/
[16:00] <hallyn_> #topoic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:00] <hallyn_> bah
[16:00] <hallyn_> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <hallyn_> Happily there are none
[16:01] <hallyn_> #topic V Development
[16:01] <hallyn_> Hm, the meeting page used to include the two relevant links,
[16:02] <hallyn_> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[16:02] <hallyn_> So documentationstring freeze is coming up,
[16:02] <hallyn_> (along of course with final beta freeze)
[16:02] <hallyn_> might be good to have a discussion about what docs we want to update.  I forget - does the Server Guide fall under documentation freeze?
[16:03] <rbasak> I believe it does.
[16:03] <hallyn_> might be good to have everyone take a look and at least come up with a list of areas needing update for next week
[16:03] <hallyn_> i'm going to add an action for that in fact.  cause we haven't always been all *that* good at that...
[16:04] <hallyn_> #action everyone look at server guide and look for areas which need updating
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: everyone look at server guide and look for areas which need updating
[16:04] <hallyn_> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:04] <rbasak> There may be some upstart -> systemd documentation fixes necessary
[16:05] <hallyn_> in a specific area or all around?
[16:06] <hallyn_> not sure i know enough about them but ill take a lookat those :)
[16:06] <hallyn_> s olooking at the bugs, bug 1427406 is critical but unassigned
[16:06] <hallyn_> dannf: are you stil working on that one?
[16:07] <dannf> hallyn_: not actively, no. we need to sync up with your team on that one (in a meeting right now though)
[16:07] <hallyn_> ok, thanks
[16:08] <hallyn_> #action hallyn to talk with dannf about bug 1427406
[16:08] <meetingology> ACTION: hallyn to talk with dannf about bug 1427406
[16:08] <hallyn_> there are three more unassigned high prio bugs,
[16:08] <hallyn_> bugs 1427275, 1432715, and 1409639
[16:08] <hallyn_> is anyone handling those?
[16:09] <hallyn_> high ubottu, what about bug 1409639
[16:09] <rbasak> juju systemd isn't expected to make any progress in the archive until very late this cycle (after 1.23 is out)
[16:09] <hallyn_> kinda what i expected,
[16:10] <hallyn_> looks like 1427275 should be fixed upstream,
[16:10] <hallyn_> bug 1432715 is unattended
[16:10] <hallyn_> zul's out all week i think, so i guess i'll aim to take a look - unless someone else wants to?
[16:11] <hallyn_> #action hallyn to look at bug 1432715
[16:11] <meetingology> ACTION: hallyn to look at bug 1432715
[16:11] <hallyn_> alrighty, moving on,
[16:11] <hallyn_> #tpoic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:11] <hallyn_> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:11] <hallyn_> (bad kbd angle)
[16:11] <hallyn_> caribou is not around,
[16:11] <hallyn_> so moving on,
[16:11] <hallyn_> Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (?)
[16:11] <hallyn_> beisner: ^ \o
[16:12] <matsubara> That would be me
[16:12] <hallyn_> oh right
[16:12] <hallyn_> #action hallyn to update QA Team section assignee to matsubara
[16:12] <meetingology> ACTION: hallyn to update QA Team section assignee to matsubara
[16:12] <matsubara> server smoke tests are failing
[16:12] <matsubara> due to a unmet dependency installing libpam-systemd
[16:12] <matsubara> here's an example of the failure http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/vivid-server-i386-smoke-default/140/
[16:12] <matsubara> libpam-systemd : Depends: systemd (= 219-4ubuntu4) but 219-4ubuntu5 is to be installed
[16:13] <hallyn_> so this is a bug in libpam-systemd packaging?
[16:13] <hallyn_> oh,
[16:13] <matsubara> I couldn't find a bug reported about that and I'm not sure if this is a systemd error or libpam-systemd error
[16:13] <hallyn_> will libpam-systemd is packaged in systemd
[16:14] <hallyn_> so this probably just goes to #ubuntu-devel.  do you mind bringing it up there later today?
[16:14] <matsubara> ok, I'll file a bug in systemd and ask pitti about it
[16:14] <hallyn_> thanks!
[16:14] <matsubara> np. that's all from me hallyn_
[16:14] <hallyn_> #action matsubara to file a bug for libpam-systemd's dependency problem
[16:14] <meetingology> ACTION: matsubara to file a bug for libpam-systemd's dependency problem
[16:14] <rbasak> Note that pitti is on holiday right now
[16:14] <hallyn_> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:14] <smb> Looking at the nested_kvm issue (bug 1431473). Nothing final, yet but looks to be a combination of running Precise(3.2) on the host and Utopic(3.16) or later on L1. Having the host at Trusty(3.13) fixes this. So I just need to find out what fails exactly. Though it is likely not the cpuid flags but VMX support MSR(s) which are inconsistent.
[16:14] <matsubara> rbasak, ok. I'll follow through in the bug tracker
[16:15] <hallyn_> interesting.  thanks for tracking that down.  that one scared me
[16:15] <hallyn_> any questions for smb?
[16:15] <hallyn_> smb: anything more to bring up?
[16:16] <smb> nope nothing that I can think of
[16:16] <hallyn_> thanks
[16:16] <hallyn_> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:16] <hallyn_> Anything coming up?
[16:16]  * hallyn_ realizes he's heard nothing about ODS talk acceptances...
[16:17] <hallyn_> moving on,
[16:17] <hallyn_> #topic Open Discussion
[16:18] <hallyn_> no topics?
[16:18] <hallyn_> then we can wrap up,
[16:18] <hallyn_> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:18] <hallyn_> next meeting will be next tuesday March 24 at 16:00 utc
[16:18] <hallyn_> with the honorable rbasak presiding
[16:18] <hallyn_> thanks everyone
[16:18] <hallyn_> #endmeeting
[16:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 17 16:18:56 2015 UTC.
[16:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-03-17-16.00.moin.txt
[16:18] <kickinz1> thanks hallyn
[16:19] <matsubara> thanks hallyn_
[16:19] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:19] <beisner> thanks, hallyn
[16:19] <arosales> thanks hallyn
[16:58] <ppisati> o/
[16:59] <smb> ppisati, too early
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 17 17:00:13 2015 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Vivid
[17:00] <smb> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> \o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:01] <cking> o/
[17:01] <apw> o/
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:02] <kamal> o/
[17:02] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Vivid Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Our Vivid kernel remains based on v3.19.1 and we uploaded a 3.19.0-9.9
[17:03] <ogasawara> kernel last week.  We are approaching kernel freeze for Vivid.  It is
[17:03] <ogasawara> ~4wks away on Thurs Apr 9.  If you have any patches which need to land for 15.04's release, please make sure to submit those asap.
[17:03] <ogasawara> -----
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Mar 26 - Final Beta (~1 week away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Apr 09 - Kernel Freeze (~3 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Apr 23 - 15.04 Release (~6 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:04] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:04] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:04] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Utopic/Trusty/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Update will be added to meeting minutes.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:05] <bjf>   *   Lucid - None (no update)
[17:05] <bjf>   * Precise - Verification and Testing
[17:05] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Verification and Testing
[17:05] <bjf>   *  Utopic - Verification and Testing
[17:05] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:06] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:06] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:06] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf> Current cycle: 27-Feb through 21-Mar
[17:06] <bjf> [17:06] <bjf>          27-Feb   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:06] <bjf> 01-Mar - 07-Mar   Kernel prep week.
[17:06] <bjf> 08-Mar - 21-Mar   Bug verification; Regression testing; Release
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf> ..
[17:06] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:06] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 17 17:06:37 2015 UTC.
[17:06] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-03-17-17.00.moin.txt
[17:06] <cking> thanks jsalisbury
[17:06] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury


[00:57] <xnox> why a hunting party?
[00:59] <infinity> xnox: Because he really wants a bug fixed, apparently.
[00:59] <infinity> xnox: 1128597
[01:06] <xnox> infinity: well there is a branch attached to the bug already. It's just I happened to fix a few other things around there, while I was there and still testing will propose/merge tomorrow and we will do a ubiquity upload soon as we have a few fixes already.
[02:30] <phillw> xnox: I do hope you have a sense of humour, if not.. I apologise.
[03:20] <phillw> xnox: will these fixes be in the next re-spin?
[03:21] <phillw> aka auto cron buikd
[03:21] <phillw> *build
[10:25]  * cjwatson sorts out the image build failures
[11:14] <cjwatson> stgraber: OK, we'll start getting daily-checks mail about precise now too
[11:14]  * cjwatson remembered to deploy
[11:18] <cjwatson> slangasek,Riddell: are Kubuntu daily builds meant to still be commented out?
[11:18] <cjwatson> (and Kubuntu active)
[11:22] <Riddell> cjwatson: mm, no
[11:24] <doko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zipl-installer/0.0.22 doesn't have any build records. why?
[11:25] <doko> ahh, s390 only
[11:25] <cjwatson> feel free to remove that source; it won't be autosynced any mre
[11:25] <cjwatson> *more
[11:25] <cjwatson> since the autosyncer is smart about this now
[11:25] <cjwatson> Riddell: OK, re-enabled, thanks
[11:26] <cjwatson> doko: you'll probably need to explicitly remove from both raring and raring-proposed
[11:27] <Riddell> cjwatson: where should I start on getting nexus images for kubuntu-active made?
[11:27] <Riddell> poke ogra?
[11:27] <cjwatson> Riddell: talk to ogra, yeah
[11:27] <doko> cjwatson, so no need for black-listing?
[11:27] <cjwatson> doko: no
[11:27] <doko> ok
[11:27] <cjwatson> doko: most of the time you don't need to blacklist things any more
[11:27] <ogra_> Riddell, is end of the week ok ?
[11:27] <Riddell> ogra_: sure
[11:27] <ogra_> we have a dedicated builder for n7 images now, thanks to infinity, so we should now be able to do it
[11:29] <Riddell> ogra_: dedicated builder is a pandaboard or there's a nexus 7 in a datacentre somewhere?
[11:29] <ogra_> a panda indeed
[11:29] <ogra_> we dont want to have to send people to the DC to plug in power all 8h :)
[11:30] <ogra_> (since you cant charge while an USB disk is attached)
[11:30] <cjwatson> doko: for new sources, auto-sync avoids (a) anything that's blacklisted (b) anything already in NEW (c) anything not built on any architecture in the target distroseries (d) anything where an equal or higher version was already removed from the target (e) anything that was previously published in the target at a lower version (it mails me about these for manual resolution)
[11:30] <cjwatson> this was enough intelligence to let it run from cron
[11:36] <apw> ogra_, there are power pads for charging on the side of the N7, not that i know which of the 4 is which
[11:37] <apw> infinity, you have debian-installed blocked, is that for the .2 or something else
[11:54] <ogra_> apw, thats a lid switch, not power
[11:55] <apw> ogra_, there are 4 pads on teh side for the dock, they let it charge and pipe out audio according to the dock spec
[11:55] <ogra_> oh, i thought it was onlt the lid stuff
[11:55] <apw> the dock says it charges and does audio and the pictures show it sitting on the side there, nothing in the USB
[11:56] <apw> so i recon it has to have power in there to make any sense
[11:56] <ogra_> well, i know that the "jackets" use these connectors for lid open/close events
[11:57] <ogra_> anyway, happy to hear it can charge through it too
[12:00] <ogra_> cjwatson, the meta upload will fix the libO uninstallability ?
[12:01]  * ogra_ was wondering about it
[12:22] <cjwatson> ogra_: Yes
[12:23] <ogra_> great
[15:52] <didrocks> cjwatson: do you know if the hud it still publishing? I don't see it on the page, seb128 NEWed a little bit more than an hour ago
[15:53] <cjwatson> didrocks: hmm, good question, it might have been caught by the librarian outage ...
[15:53]  * cjwatson contemplates how to check
[15:55] <didrocks> cjwatson: we'll be able to resync it from the ppa in case it's needed :)
[15:55] <cjwatson> didrocks: Ah, it got rejected due to the librarian outage, and I can't resurrect rejected syncs.  Indeed, can you just sync it again?
[15:56] <didrocks> cjwatson: sure sure, thanks for checking!
[15:56] <cjwatson> It must have landed in accepted briefly and then been booted out
[15:56] <seb128> didrocks, perfect timing :p
[15:56] <didrocks> seb128: didn't I tell you that sometimes, I feel like the black cat? :)
[16:03] <didrocks> ok, sounds go have created the metadata in the launchpad page now, thanks cjwatson. I'll promote it in main as soon as I can see the published version (the MIR is acked)
[17:51] <cjwatson> Whoops.  Sorry for Lubuntu image build failure, fixing
[17:52] <cjwatson> bzr DTWT when resolving conflicts in an executable
[18:13] <cjwatson> ... and again
[18:14] <cjwatson> Looking happier now
[18:28] <Riddell> kubuntu 12.04.2 works on a secure boot system even though we didn't add any secure boot bits to it, 12.04.1 fails, that's unexpected
[18:33] <infinity> Riddell: Really?  That's beyond unexpected, if it's an SB system that will only boot things signed with the MS key.
[18:35] <xnox> Riddell: it may as well be a secure boot machine, maybe it's just UEFI machine where updated UEFI works and older one doesn't?
[18:36] <xnox> are you sure secure boot is fully enabled and it doesn't e.g. fallback to normal uefi.
[18:37] <Riddell> xnox: it does say enabled in the firmware settings.  it also doesn't boot 12.04.1 with the message "secure boot failure"
[18:37] <xnox> ok. i rest my case, sir.
[18:38] <xnox> Riddell: well, that mean kubuntu has secure boot now \o/
[18:39] <Riddell> 12.04.1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/8492018551
[18:39] <Riddell> I'm not sure I trust a single data point on this issue
[18:46] <cjwatson> Riddell: You may find that the image itself boots but it (a) doesn't have a signed kernel so won't work on all systems (b) won't install in such a way as to make a bootable installed system
[18:46] <cjwatson> I think there's a shim + signed GRUB there unconditionally
[18:46] <cjwatson> But only on the live image
[19:05]  * cjwatson fixes another fairly arcane explosion due to the nusakan upgrade
[19:06] <cjwatson> (Slight lzcat interface change)
[19:45] <plars> cjwatson: I think we have a problem with the precise netboot images, they don't seem to be installing the 3.5 kernel.
[19:46] <xnox> infinity: ^
[19:48] <infinity> plars: Which ones?
[19:49] <plars> infinity: current ones at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/installer-amd64/20101020ubuntu136.9/images/netboot/
[19:49] <plars> infinity: unless I'm looking in the wrong place, that should be the latest right?
[19:50] <infinity> plars: Note the quantal-* directories.
[19:51] <infinity> plars: images/netboot will always be the precise kernel, images/quantal-netboot is the lts-q kernel.
[19:51] <cjwatson> Yep, what he said.
[19:51] <plars> infinity: ok, so that's intentional... hggdh we need to teach cobbler to cope with that somehow though
[19:52] <hggdh> ah
[19:56] <cjwatson> I did the same for the backports to lucid.
[19:56] <cjwatson> So if it's broken now it was probably broken then too ...
[19:56] <infinity> I doubt they cobbled much with lucid.
[19:59] <plars> cjwatson: yeah, it's just some automated jobs for kernel sru - not sure whether they existed that far back.
[20:00] <plars> we were not seeing the 3.5 kernel come in with the new precise tests, but the iso seemed right, but we didn't notice that quantal directory
[20:07] <cjwatson> plars: good sign that you noticed, anyway :)
[20:10] <infinity> plars: Check.  And for SRU testing, of course, you need to test both.
[20:11] <infinity> plars: So, good thing we provide two. ;)
[20:19] <plars> infinity: yes, that's the idea that we want to make sure kernel SRUs are testing for both
[21:09] <nuclearbob> it looks like the most recent daily live images have the initrd under casper/initrd instead of casper/initrd.lz  Is this intentional, and will the change be permanent?
[21:13] <cjwatson> nuclearbob: No, I'm already in the process of fixing that bug
[21:13] <cjwatson> It was a side-effect of upgrading nusakan to precise
[21:13] <nuclearbob> cjwatson: cool, thanks
[21:14] <cjwatson> Was wondering whether I'd manage to fix it before somebody noticed ;-)
[21:17] <veebers> cjwatson: would you happen to have a bug number for that?
[21:17] <cjwatson> I didn't bother
[21:18] <cjwatson> Respins are already in progress
[21:18] <cjwatson> And only a handful of images (albeit including Ubuntu desktop) were affected
[21:21] <veebers> cjwatson: cool, thanks. How long does a respin take?
[21:23] <cjwatson> Minutes
[21:23] <veebers> awesome
[21:24] <cjwatson> In this case, anyway, since I don't need to rebuild the live filesystem, just the ISO9660 container
[21:29] <cjwatson> nuclearbob,veebers: 20130220.2 should be visible shortly; I've verified that its file list is back to normal
[21:30] <nuclearbob> cjwatson: awesome, thanks
[21:30] <veebers> cjwatson: noice, thanks
[21:30] <cjwatson> (For the record, the problem was that lzcat's command-line syntax got stricter from lucid to precise, confusing cdimage)
[21:31] <nuclearbob> that's inconvenient
[21:32] <xnox> (well it used to be lzma but now it's xz that provides it ;-) )
[21:35] <cjwatson> Yeah, that wasn't really the issue I think
[21:35] <cjwatson> Using -S '' was always a bit of a hack
[21:35] <nuclearbob> hmm, I think I'm using -S ''
[21:35] <cjwatson> So I wasn't desperately surprised to have to prod it
[21:35] <cjwatson> lzcat: : Invalid filename suffix
[21:37] <cjwatson> Really lzcat has a stupid interface and shouldn't require that at all, because it doesn't use the target filename gained by stripping the suffix
[21:37] <cjwatson> So (at least in raring) you can actually just pass any string as a suffix, AFAICS
[21:38] <nuclearbob> that's handy
[21:38] <cjwatson> As it happens I used a chunk from the end of the filename in question, but I think that was overengineered
[21:54]  * antarus hates releases
[21:55] <antarus> all the bugs I fixed ended up failing in release verification on weird edge cases :/
[23:20] <slangasek> why does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/libreoffice/1:4.0.0~beta2-0ubuntu1 say it's published in quantal?
[23:21] <cjwatson> *blink*
[23:22] <cjwatson> Oh, I think that means libreoffice in general is published in quantal and raring
[23:22] <cjwatson> Daft presentation
[23:23] <cjwatson> Hm, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/base-files/6.12ubuntu1 doesn't do that
[23:24] <cjwatson> It's from a join between SPR and SPPH, so maybe there are copies into a PPA that are confusing it?
[23:25] <cjwatson> I don't know, very confused
[23:26] <antarus> I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets confused
[23:27] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok
[23:29] <slangasek> cjwatson: so I'm looking at this in the context of libreoffice-presenter-console, which you appear to have dispatched this morning
[23:29] <stgraber> cjwatson: https://launchpad.net/~guido-iodice/+archive/testing2/+sourcepub/2986741/+listing-archive-extra ?
[23:29] <slangasek> it's causing update-manager to display the dreaded 'partial upgrade' dialog and I'm not sure why
[23:30] <stgraber> cjwatson: basically someone copied the raring build straight to a quantal PPA, then removed it. Could that cause what we're seeing?
[23:31] <cjwatson> stgraber: Good catch, thanks, that would do it
[23:31] <cjwatson> slangasek: Yes, I did - is there still some open fallout from that?
[23:31] <slangasek> cjwatson: it's causing update-manager to display the dreaded 'partial upgrade' dialog and I'm not sure why
[23:31] <stgraber> cjwatson: google with site:launchpad.net is handy for that kind of search (launchpad's own search engine, not so much ;))
[23:32] <cjwatson> slangasek: Curious, an apt-get dist-upgrade this morning was pretty clean for me
[23:32] <cjwatson> I don't suppose it's marked for manual install or something?
[23:34] <slangasek> cjwatson: well, apt-get dist-upgrade is perfectly happy removing the package
[23:34] <slangasek> but update-manager is more particular IIRC
[23:35] <slangasek> cjwatson: remind me how to check the current mark status?
[23:36] <cjwatson> apt-mark showauto | grep
[23:37] <cjwatson> some day soon I suppose I'm going to have to actually understand how u-m works
[23:38] <slangasek> the package is indeed marked manual
[23:38] <slangasek> which, actually, is the expected behavior since it's an ubuntu-desktop Recommends: (or was)
[23:44] <cjwatson> It might need to be quirked in u-m
[23:45] <cjwatson> IIRC there's a list of packages that have been removed ...
[23:45] <slangasek> hmm yes
[23:45] <cjwatson> But I thought that was mainly for release upgraes
[23:45] <cjwatson> +d
[23:45] <cjwatson> I don't know whether it comes into play for normal u-m runs


[11:03] <thumper> happy new year from UTC+13
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Happy new year, thumper.
[13:20] <LucidFox> ``Cube, are you here?
[13:20] <``Cube> jep
[13:20] <``Cube> what's the matter?
[13:21] <``Cube> LucidFox: ??
[13:21] <LucidFox> I'd like Tango icons for gtkpod
[13:22] <``Cube> sure!
[13:22] <``Cube> do you have a webpage?
[13:22] <``Cube> your project?
[13:22] <TFKyle> http://www.gtkpod.org :)
[13:23] <``Cube> yea, just found that as well :P
[13:24] <LucidFox> preferably GPL or LGPL
[13:24] <``Cube> LucidFox: we have many iPod icons in Gadgetango, why not use one from there?
[13:24] <LucidFox> Hmm.
[13:24] <LucidFox> Let me google.
[13:24] <``Cube> I think they are GPL
[13:24] <LucidFox> What is its license?
[13:24] <LucidFox> Cool.
[13:24] <``Cube> but checking this, wait please
[13:25] <``Cube> its not that I don't want to make any icons for gtkpod, but as there are already some, I thought you might use them
[13:26] <LucidFox> Well, I can always use these: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21941
[13:27] <LucidFox> http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme-extras/trunk/Gadgetango/scalable/devices/ <-- oh, yes, found
[13:27] <LucidFox> thanks!
[13:46] <LucidFox> Could you tailor http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme-extras/trunk/Gadgetango/scalable/devices/multimedia-player-apple-ipod-video-white.svg for low resolutions?
[13:46] <LucidFox> and optionally get rid of the earpieces as well, leave just the iPod itself
[13:58] <Adnarim> hi
[13:59] <Adnarim> I'm trying to build a deb packet for ppa but the building fails. I know why! How can I make that "export QMAKE=/usr/bin/qmake-qt4" is executed before ./configure and ./configure with a switch --disable-debug?
[14:00] <Adnarim> I'm creating the package with dh_make and dbuild -S
[14:00] <LucidFox> Adnarim> edit debian/rules
[14:00] <LucidFox> find the call to ./configure [params] and replace it with: QMAKE=/usr/bin/qmake-qt4 ./configure [params]
[14:18] <Adnarim> this doesn't work :(
[14:25] <Adnarim> can someone tell me what are valid sections for the debian/control files? there I have to fill sections.. if I use misc I'M always getting errors while pbuilder build
[15:31] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[15:31] <TFKyle> afternoon mpt
[15:32] <mpt> Ah, my pin! Thank you.
[15:40] <ubotu> New bug: #179561 in launchpad "[wishlist] Check which projects I can join to" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179561
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #179564 in launchpad "Structural heading is misleading on poll page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179564
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #179567 in launchpad "Poll secrecy options are too long for an option menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179567
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #179568 in launchpad "No preview for polls" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179568
[17:25] <mattismyname> Anybody else getting "Not allowed here               Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.   " when trying to view a bug?
[17:26] <mpt> mattismyname, you might get that if the bug is marked private
[17:26] <mattismyname> aha
[17:26] <mpt> Was the bug linked to from within Launchpad?
[17:26] <mpt> Or were you following a link from a mailing list message or something?
[17:26] <mattismyname> Yes...it is the duplicate of another bug in launchpad
[17:27] <mattismyname> #136371
[17:27] <mattismyname> I have had the same crash on my system and was trying to do a bit of research before submitting my own bug report.
[17:28] <mpt> You mean bug 136371 is a duplicate of another bug, or another bug is a duplicate of bug 136371?
[17:28] <ubotu> Bug 136371 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/136371 is private
[17:28] <ubotu> Bug 136371 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/136371 is private
[17:28] <mpt> ubotu, shut up
[17:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shut up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:28] <mpt> Probably we should do a better job of explaining why you don't have permission
[17:29] <mattismyname> Another bug (176568) is a duplicate of 136371.
[17:29] <elmo> that's an apport bug report, which is probably why it's been marked as private
[17:29] <mpt> gr
[17:30] <mattismyname> What would be the recommended way to add a "me too" report to a bug like that?  I suppose they could find the debug trace from my system useful in working on it.
[17:31] <mpt> Hopefully once apport is posting to its own database, we'll be able to have a stronger guideline that public bug reports shouldn't be duplicates of private ones
[17:32] <mattismyname> Why would apport be marked private anyway?
[17:32] <mpt> Because it might contain private information such as passwords etc
[17:33] <mpt> that happened to be in memory when the crash occurred
[17:33] <mattismyname> I see
[17:33] <mattismyname> Well, I will go ahead and submit my own report of the bug and let them triage it as they will.
[17:33] <mpt> ok
[17:34] <mpt> A public bug report containing a carefully sanitized traceback is more helpful than a private bug report containing a complete traceback
[17:34] <mpt> because more people can see it to have a go at fixing the bug :-)
[17:34] <mpt> So, perhaps suggest in your version that the private one be marked as a duplicate of your one
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #179587 in malone ""Sorry, you don't have permission to access this" bug report -- well, why not?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179587
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #179598 in malone "Bug listing isn't sortable by project/package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179598
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #179600 in malone "Offer summaries of bug listings subtotalled by project/package/assignee/milestone/etc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179600
[19:32] <mpt> holy crap
[19:32] <mpt> "Latest memberships" has been completely broken all this time and we haven't noticed
[19:45] <ubotu> New bug: #179605 in launchpad ""Latest memberships" is actually "Alphabetically lowest memberships"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179605
[20:20] <ubotu> New bug: #179607 in launchpad-bazaar "Trunk-only import policy seems incompatible with MythTV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179607
[22:49]  * somerville32 had noticed.
[22:49] <somerville32> lol


[00:29] <SergioMeneses> balloons, phillw ssbob Noskcaj10 eureka!!!
[00:29] <SergioMeneses> I did, I did
[00:30]  * SergioMeneses dances around
[00:30] <phillw> SergioMeneses: ???
[00:31] <SergioMeneses> phillw, FIELD=`cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | grep XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR |sed 's/XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR=\"\(.*\)\"/\1/'` && eval "touch $FIELD/test.txt"
[00:31] <SergioMeneses> run it
[00:31] <phillw> SergioMeneses: in anywhere in particular?
[00:32] <SergioMeneses> phillw, Templates for you
[00:32] <SergioMeneses> Plantillas in Spanish.... it works for all languages and you dont need to change anything
[00:45] <ssbob> phillw, bug 1126782 filed for the desktop login bug with Edubuntu. FYI
[00:47] <phillw> ssbob: thanks, can you repeat it on the edubuntu channel so the people there know of the number.
[00:47] <ssbob> sure thing phillw
[00:48] <phillw> as with a lot of teams, they may be away from their computer owing to time-zones etc. Making a bug allows all of the people to be alertd.
[00:49] <phillw> *alerted*
[00:49] <ssbob> phillw, makes sense to me, thanks for the help.
[00:50] <phillw> ssbob: thank you for taking the time to investigate a bug, find that it is and then register it. People like you really do make a difference.
[00:51] <ssbob> very kind
[00:52] <phillw> ssbob: if you have not, have a read of the classroom sessions that we recently held for bugs.
[00:53] <ssbob> I will, watched balloons videos and read the wiki
[00:54] <phillw> ssbob: it is really good when some one comes back who has watched the sessions so that we can get a bug report better reported. Our sessions on bugs is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_2
[00:55] <ssbob> thanks for the link, I will work through the sessions.
[00:57] <SergioMeneses> ssbob, phillw maybe you want to see this http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/02/a-thank-you-to-some-quality-rockstars.html
[00:58] <SergioMeneses> wrong link, this is http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/02/some-quality-resources.html
[01:05] <phillw> SergioMeneses: one good thing that has come out of this, is making testing less scary for new people. I've had people approach me to get involved.
[01:06] <phillw> Any advisrtment we can get is excellent :)
[01:09] <phillw> SergioMeneses: the 2nd one for bugs, should be required reading. Gema knows that subject, shame that she could only do a 30 minute session. We realised after that, that 60 min sessions were required.
[01:22] <SergioMeneses> sorry phillw I was eating, maybe Gema could do another session soon or something
[01:22] <SergioMeneses> btw ssbob, balloons videos rocks!
[01:23] <SergioMeneses> -s
[01:23] <ssbob> yes I like them
[01:23] <ssbob> and phillw I read through the transcripts on some of the sessions, good information. Thanks for the pointer
[01:24] <ssbob> phillw, are you planning on re-doing section 3 specifically about vbox? I am using it as well and would love some pointers on making it an efficient tool for testing.
[01:27] <phillw> ssbob: there are issues with virtual machines in 12.10 that are testing 13.04. I am concentrated on getting the updates in to 13.04 from 'day one'. It does seem to have been an area that "dropped off the radar". We still have various bugs for systems that I'd like to have tied up and squished.
[01:29] <ssbob> thanks
[13:50] <smartboyhw> phillw, are you going to merge SergioMenesesAFK's merge?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> merge proposal I mean
[23:59] <phillw> xnox: well, kvm may have it's issues, but unlike the hassle I had with VBox, it has not only installed r-server, but has managed a fully working ssh connection to it. I'm VERY impressed with just what kvm can do!


[03:06] <tomswartz07> hey all
[03:25] <godbyk> hey, tomswartz07.
[03:27] <tomswartz07> who's the editor for the using instant messaging section?
[03:27] <tomswartz07> he emailed me today, and was having trouble with the bzr upload.
[03:28] <tomswartz07> i was wondering if he figured it out or not
[03:40] <godbyk> I'm not sure. Let me check the spreadsheet.
[03:40] <godbyk> The editor is listed as Decaffienated46.  I'm not sure who that is.
[03:55] <tomswartz07> right- thats his name. ok- its no big deal, i was just curious if he popped in to get help.
[03:56] <tomswartz07> i sent him some instructions on how to get up and running on bzr, but i havent heard back, and i didnt get a chance to pull the newer branches from lp yet
[05:18] <godbyk> Hey, CrustyBarnacle. Did you get your bzr problems resolved?
[21:53] <c7p> hello :D
[22:21] <godbyk> hey, c7p.
[22:21] <c7p> ho ho, what's up godbyk
[23:36] <tomswartz07> Karry's doing the Troubleshooting section, correct?
[23:40] <nisshh> tomswartz07, yep


[05:37] <bcx> Hello, can I install user-themes extension from command-line ?
[19:27] <skulmuk> hi all


[06:58] <Guest58> Hello. I think there is a mistake on the Downloads page. It says Kubuntu 24.04 will be supported until April 2032. The release notes say it will be supported for 3 years.
[07:24] <kirvesAxe> XLTS? :P
[07:32] <bombastick> other than the desktop UI, what differences exist between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[07:32] <bombastick> If we ignore the UI, and we ignore the default GUI packages
[07:33] <bombastick> like will multiple monitor usage be harder on Kubuntu due to the much smaller team and  testing?
[07:33] <bombastick> that sort of stuff
[07:46] <guiverc> bombastick, if you wanted to contrast what kubuntu ISOs install & Ubuntu Desktop; you could always explore the manifest (do note some install options won't install all packages..)  Kubuntu is a Ubuntu Desktop system but with certain packages changed (KDE Plasma instead of GNOME, Qt5/KF5 instead of GTK etc... 3 years flavor support instead of 5 year Canonical support..
[07:47] <guiverc> I'd not expect any difference between monitor.usage.. as that's generally handled much closer to kernel where systems are identical (eg. kernel modules aka drivers; they're identical)
[07:48] <bombastick> guiverc: yeah I knew that, just wondering what major things run worse on Kubuntu in practice. Even if we ignore the packages common to both, Ubuntu probably has 100x the developer and tester count Kubuntu does. So there's gonna be stuff they do better.
[07:48] <guiverc> though do note flavors install a different kernel stack by default to Ubuntu Desktop; that won't make a difference for some time though (Ubuntu Desktop will move to use 24.10 kernel in the future; a Kubuntu ISO will use GA)
[07:50] <guiverc> I don't see the difference in the way you do....  Testers are still Ubuntu community testers... Ubuntu Desktop does benefit from Ubuntu Security team checks; Ubuntu Security team do not check universe (community packages) unless you enroll with Ubuntu Pro  (and then only some packages)
[07:51] <guiverc> eg.  during mantic cycle this box with 5 displays connected had 2 show black screen... it impacted all 3 desktops I have installed equally...   I ended up non-destructively re-installing this system eventually to fix it.. then all 3 desktops worked again... same reaction with GNOME as per LXQt, Xfce etc
[07:54] <guiverc> Much of the KDE Plasma comes from upstream KDE Project... just as Ubuntu Desktop is very much GNOME from upstream.  Yes there are a few Ubuntu Desktop team (paid staff) that tweak & refine it more than maybe Kubuntu does the upstream KDE Plasma ... but the team isn't that big (just full-time paid)..
[07:57] <bombastick> I see. Thanks.
[08:55] <bombastick> huh, website says "Kubuntu 24.04 supported with security and maintenance updates, until April 2032". I thought Kubuntu was 3 years?
[08:56] <bombastick> must be a typo, the wiki's release notes say 3 years
[08:56] <Kangarooo> To what package to report that Latvian keyboard in Kubuntu one keyboard shortcut makes wrong symbol
[08:56] <bombastick> The tyypo is here: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[10:35] <guiverc> thanks bombastick, it'll need to be fixed by a kubuntu team member with authority to login to site & change  (website)
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:50] <bombastick> is it possible to make the desktop context menu have a "Open Terminal" option like normal Ubuntu does?
[13:51] <bombastick> I guess I can just add a desktop shortcut
[13:51] <bombastick> what's the point of enabling 32-bit packages by default as Kubuntu seems to? All it does is make "apt update" slower.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> or install yakuake drop down terminal  which opens with F12 key
[13:56] <bombastick> BluesKaj: nice! me likey
[13:57] <bombastick> it's been years since ive browsed apps.kde.org, i think I need to give it another drive by
[13:57] <BluesKaj> bombastick:  yup, it's worth the drive :-)
[14:18] <bombastick> BluesKaj: I just wish apps would use the same keyboard shortcuts we're all used to. Like I dont get why CTRL+T doesnt create a new tab, or CTRL+TAB cycle between tabbed sessions
[14:18] <bombastick> Just adopt the same shortcuts as every browser does
[14:18] <bombastick> instead of being a snowflake
[14:18] <terra> Hi! One quick question. Just did a fresh install of 24.04 LTS! Loving it so far... I have one point of confusion over some packages that install with a t64 ending.
[14:19] <terra> in particular when trying to reinstall Da Vinci Resolve, I get a missing dependency: "
[14:19] <terra> Please install the following missing packages:
[14:19] <terra>     libapr1 libaprutil1 libasound2 libglib2.0-0
[14:20] <terra> but "sudo apt install libapr1" defaults to package ending in t64 (terminal output: Note, selecting 'libapr1t64' instead of 'libapr1')
[14:21] <bombastick> terra: idk why it does that, i'm new to it myself, but this shouldnt affect anything (also you will need to install libasoundt64)
[14:22] <terra> here I find libapr1 referred to as a "virtual package" https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/allpackages
[14:22] <terra> the Da Vinci installer does not see those packages as the ones it requires
[14:23] <bombastick> the tool you're trying to use is looking for specific libraries on the system, not package names, that's just a convenient message. So if libasound2t64 installs /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libasound.so.2 (it does), that's all that matters
[14:23] <bombastick> oh shit, it refuses to run based on package names?
[14:23] <terra> I can run the Da Vinci Resolve installer with this variable SKIP_PACKAGE_CHECK=1 ./DaVinci_Resolve_Studio_18.6.6_Linux.run and it will install but then it doesn't run
[14:24] <terra> going to give that another shot, actually
[14:24] <bombastick> terra: can you run "ldd ./path/to/davinci/binary?
[14:24] <bombastick> and list the ones that say "Not found"
[14:25] <bombastick> then apt install apt-fil, then "sudo apt-file update", then for each library not found, run "apt-file find <filename of missing file>"
[14:26] <terra> checked /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libasound.so.2 and I have the file indeed
[14:26] <terra> thank you, reinstalling Resolve now and trying that
[14:26] <bombastick> before you reinstall
[14:27] <bombastick> "ldd somebinary" tells you what C/C++ dependencies the binary needs to run
[14:27] <bombastick> you dont need to reinstall, it doesnt change this
[14:27] <terra> oh I see
[14:28] <bombastick> if DaVinci's only requirements are C/C++ libraries then the approach I described will allow you to run it.
[14:28] <bombastick> (libXXXX packages are usually all C libraries)
[14:28] <terra> dd ./DaVinci_Resolve_Studio_18.6.6_Linux.run
[14:28] <terra>         not a dynamic executable
[14:28] <bombastick> no that's an installer, not the final binary you run to launch it
[14:28] <terra> *ldd
[14:29] <terra> I see
[14:29] <bombastick> you said "it will install but not run", I want you to try it on the executable that doesnt run
[14:29] <bombastick> for example ~/tools/davinci/bin/davinci or whatever
[14:29] <bombastick> I've never installed this tool so idk
[14:29] <terra> okay
[14:30] <terra> I see, so I will reinstall and run it on the executable in /opt
[14:38] <terra> hmm, the libraries all seem to be found... https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wZxPdZXTM3/
[14:41] <bombastick> terra: ouch, I'm out of ideas then. If they have forums you should ask there. This is too specific to be solveable here. I think their doc is not up to date for Ubuntu 24.04 that just came out, and in the coming week you will have new doc, or perhaps someone will post on the forum ahead of time (forum or subreddit)
[14:42] <terra> When I try to run the binary from terminal I get this message
[14:42] <bombastick> I think therir installer's package check must be fetching other (not C) packages, like Python or Javascript
[14:42] <terra> terra@terra-alienwarem17:/opt/resolve/bin$ ./resolve
[14:42] <terra> ./resolve: symbol lookup error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpango-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_leave_pointer
[14:43] <bombastick> oh, it is a C issue...
[14:43] <terra> interestingly it seems to be a different library
[14:45] <bombastick> Not sure what you can do. This is a mismatch in the pango library Davinci depends on. Their next update will probably fix it. Maybe someone on the forums has a temporary fix before then (probably building an older libpango)
[14:46] <terra> thank you very much bombastick, I will wait for their next release
[14:47] <bombastick> with Linux you c ant really be on the bleeding edge of software if you're not a more advanced user who can investigate/fix issues himself. For example I installed Kubuntu in a VM just now and the Virtualbox Guest Addition tools have some errors. It will probably be fixed in the next version of Virtualbox, but it is what it is
[14:48] <bombastick> so try to stay 1 month behind on stuff (ie dont update immediatley)
[14:56] <terra> I managed
[14:56] <terra> https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/12z32r1/davinci_resolve_libpango_undefined_symbol_g/?rdt=33605 https://www.reddit.com/r/voidlinux/comments/12g71x0/davinci_resolve_18_symbol_lookup_error_libgdk/
[14:57] <terra> oddly enough deleting
[14:57] <terra> /opt/resolve/libs/libglib-2.0.so*
[14:57] <terra> /opt/resolve/libs/libgio-2.0.so*
[14:57] <terra> /opt/resolve/libs/libgmodule-2.0.so*
[14:57] <terra> did the trick
[14:58] <terra> I updated to the new LTS because this laptop has been always having problems with all previous releases and it had just recently broken (nvidia drivers), oddly enough 24.04 looks great on (it's an hdpi and it's first time that it looks right)
[14:58] <terra> it's not my main driver
[14:59] <terra> thank you for helping me out
[21:03] <mas886> So I noticed my plasma being a little sluggish, so I tried to switch GPU drivers to a newer version using additional drivers tab (I'm on an Nvidia 4070). This popped a warning saying it was not compatible with my kernel, and apparently switched back to previous version. But when I reebooted my system it is showing a console with text "UBSAN:
[21:03] <mas886> array-index-out-of-bounds in /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox..." and plasma won't boot (tho i can use the system console mode in another session). Any idea how to get my system working? Found the issue in google, but any solution so far.


[16:01] <jamespage> o/
[16:01] <arosales> o/
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <smoser> we're waiting on rbasak.
[16:02]  * smb around
[16:02] <smoser> roaksoax, are you here ? if rbasak doesnt show
[16:02]  * rharper is here
[16:03] <smoser> fudge. next would be yolanda in rbasak and roaksoax absense.
[16:03] <smoser> or someone else to just step up.
[16:06] <jamespage> I see rbasak
[16:06] <jamespage> o/
[16:09] <rbasak> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 17 16:09:17 2013 UTC.  The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:09] <rbasak> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:09] <rbasak> ACTION: gaughen or jamespage or smoser: get all server blueprints represented at /topic-t-servercloud-overview.html (smoser, 16:04)
[16:10] <jamespage> still outstanding
[16:10] <rbasak> OK, thanks.
[16:10] <rbasak> #topic T Development Opening
[16:10] <rbasak> I've changed the agenda item to "T Development" for next time.
[16:11] <rbasak> Anything to note?
[16:11] <jamespage> alpha-1 this week
[16:11] <rbasak> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:12] <rbasak> caribou_: hi!
[16:12] <caribou_> nothing here
[16:13] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:14] <psivaa> no updates from us as well
[16:14] <rbasak> Any questions for psivaa?
[16:14] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:14] <smb> nothing to report. Are there questions?
[16:15] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:15] <smoser> hm..
[16:15] <smoser> go back one.
[16:15] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:15] <smoser> kernel team has *really* nice benchmark data that they're working on
[16:15] <smoser> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/benchmarking/
[16:16] <smoser> the data there may change formats or content, but its good too look at.
[16:16] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:17] <rbasak> I've been working on upstreaming portability patches for mongodb for armhf and arm64. This is reviewed upstream now and should land soon. Then I'll see if I can get Debian updated to a cherry-pick of the upstream patches.
[16:17] <rbasak> No other updates. Any questions for me?
[16:17] <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:17] <rbasak> Christmas, I guess, is the reason why it's quiet.
[16:17] <rbasak> Any other new upcoming events?
[16:18] <rbasak> #topic Open Discussion
[16:18] <rbasak> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:18] <caribou_> Ho Ho Ho
[16:18] <rbasak> Due to the holidays, I propose that our next meeting should be in January when we're all back. Any objections?
[16:19] <hallyn_> nope
[16:20] <rbasak> So the next meeting will be at: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 16:00:00 +0000.
[16:20] <rbasak> Looks like next on the chair rota is roaksoax, so he'll be chairing. I know roaksoax is on holiday now, so I'll let him know by email.
[16:20] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 16:20:43 2013 UTC.
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[16:20] <caribou_> Bye
[16:20] <rbasak> Thanks all.
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Trusty
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 17 17:00:13 2013 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <ppisati> \o/
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <smb> \o
[17:01] <sforshee> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> nothing new to report this week.
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || core-1311-kernel                || 5 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || core-1311-cross-compilation     || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || core-1311-hwe-plans             || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || bjf       || core-1311-dmraid2mdadm          || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || core-1311-kernel                || 4 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || client-1311-xorg-general        || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || sforshee  || servercloud-1311-cloud-images   || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || smb       || core-1311-dmraid2mdadm          || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || servercloud-1311-openstack-virt || 5 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || rtg       || core-1311-kernel                || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Trusty Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> The master branch for Trusty remains rebased on the v3.12.4 upstream
[17:03] <ogasawara> stable kernel.  Our unstable branch has most recently rebased to
[17:03] <ogasawara> v3.13-rc4.  Again, we don't anticipate a v3.13 based upload for Trusty
[17:03] <ogasawara> until after the new year.
[17:03] <ogasawara> I would also like to point out that the 12.04.4 point release was pushed
[17:03] <ogasawara> out by 2 weeks from Jan 23 to Feb 6.  This will not have any impact on
[17:03] <ogasawara> the kernel, we will still plan on shipping with the kernel we currently
[17:03] <ogasawara> have going through -proposed.
[17:03] <ogasawara> I would also like to point out that the 12.04.4 point release was pushed
[17:03] <ogasawara> out by 2 weeks from Jan 23 to Feb 6.  This will not have any impact on
[17:03] <ogasawara> the kernel, we will still plan on shipping with the kernel we currently
[17:03] <ogasawara> have going through -proposed.
[17:03] <ogasawara> -----
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Dec 19 - Alpha 1 (~2 days away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Jan 23 - Alpha 2 (~5 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Feb 6 - 12.04.4 Final Release (~7 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <ogasawara> (damn copy and paste error)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:04] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:04] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:04] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Saucy/Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> No new update this week.
[17:04] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:04] <ogasawara> o/
[17:04] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, go
[17:05] <ogasawara> I assume we'll cancel the next 2 meetings due to EOY holidays?
[17:05] <jsalisbury> yes\
[17:05] <smb> thumbs up :)
[17:05] <ogasawara> cool
[17:05] <cking> +1 that
[17:05] <ogasawara> ..
[17:06] <jsalisbury> Anything else for the last meeting this year?
[17:06] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:06] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 17:06:31 2013 UTC.
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[20:02] <jose> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting - December 2013
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[20:03] <jose> Hey guys! Just to keep this on record, we are not having a meeting today due to no teams presenting for (re-)verification. Thanks!
[20:03] <jose> #endmeeting
[20:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 20:03:18 2013 UTC.
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If I manage to get pyside2/armhf building without test failures, then we should be good to land 5.15.9 tomorrow morning.