[02:18] <kowak> why ubuntu touch Vivid dont work smooth with snapdragon 200 dual core?
[12:52] <k1l> i had some proper battery loss with ota8. seems like its gone with ota8.5
[13:38] <jgdx> +1
[13:50] <mcphail> k1l: +2
[16:04] <kowak> I can use the audioflinger instead of pulseaudio?
[16:05] <kowak> with pulseaudio'm having problems with call audio
[16:06] <peat-psuwit> kowak: Is your phone Qualcomm-based?
[16:06] <kowak> peat-psuwit: yes. snapdragon 200 msm8610
[16:08] <peat-psuwit> kowak: try my solution: https://github.com/peat-psuwit/pulseaudio-droid-card-parameters-setter
[16:10] <peat-psuwit> kowak: first, install this version of Pulseaudio-module-droid: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7NYsRojU4adeDlYeXVLMkRIM0k
[16:12] <kowak> peat-psuwit: i will try thanks
[16:13] <peat-psuwit> Does Ubuntu touch have any support for physical or virtual (below screen) button?
[16:15] <kowak> peat-psuwit: my Android-frameworks-av-libmedia seems already patched
[16:16] <peat-psuwit> kowak: what's the message on the terminal?
[16:21] <kowak> peat-psuwit: the repository I used already have your patch https://github.com/ubuntu-touchCAF/android_frameworks_av/commit/208c805888af761797dfeb5029b9ab0ac07729df
[16:27] <peat-psuwit> kowak: OK. Then, to try this, make device writable, install Pulseaudio-module-droid above (use --force if needed), reboot, and then run card_parameters_setter
[16:52] <kowak> peat-psuwit: i got this error E: [pulseaudio] core-util.c: Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/0/pulse): Permission denied | and no sound
[16:54] <peat-psuwit> kowak: where did you get that error?
[16:55] <kowak> peat-psuwit: using pulseaudio --system , when use card_parameters_setter terminal seems freeze
[16:56] <peat-psuwit> kowak: why do you use that?
[16:57] <kowak> peat-psuwit: because i got this No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon. using pacmd update-sink-proplist 0
[16:59] <peat-psuwit> kowak: That's after the reboot?
[16:59] <kowak> peat-psuwit: yes
[17:00] <peat-psuwit> kowak: Run "tail .cache/upstart/pulseaudio.log" and give me the output.
[17:01] <kowak> peat-psuwit: tail: cannot open ‘.cache/upstart/pulseaudio.log’ for reading: No such file or directory
[17:02] <peat-psuwit> kowak: "ls /var/crash/"
[17:03] <kowak> peat-psuwit: _usr_bin_mtp-server.32011.crash
[17:03] <kowak> _usr_bin_mtp-server.32011.upload
[17:03] <kowak> _usr_bin_mtp-server.32011.uploaded
[17:03] <kowak> _usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_indicator-sound_indicator-sound-service.32011.crash
[17:03] <kowak> _usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_indicator-sound_indicator-sound-service.32011.upload
[17:03] <kowak> _usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_indicator-sound_indicator-sound-service.32011.uploaded
[17:04] <peat-psuwit> kowak: "status pulseaudio"
[17:04] <kowak> peat-psuwit: pulseaudio stop/waiting
[17:05] <peat-psuwit> kowak: "start pulseaudio"
[17:05] <kowak> peat-psuwit: pulseaudio start/running, process 8244
[17:06] <peat-psuwit> kowak: now try running the script and make call. note that
[17:06] <peat-psuwit> kowak: Note that the script won't print any message.
[17:08] <kowak> peat-psuwit: script print this on call root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# ./card_parameters_setter
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <peat-psuwit> kowak: Ok ok, enough.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:08] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running
[17:09] <peat-psuwit> kowak: I see why now. Run the script as phablet user
[17:10] <kowak> peat-psuwit: Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/0/pulse): Permission denied
[17:10] <kowak> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[17:11] <peat-psuwit> kowak: How do you get the root shell in the first place?
[17:11] <kowak> unsecure adbd binary
[17:12] <kowak> peat-psuwit: unsecure  adbd to start on boot
[17:13] <peat-psuwit> kowak: try "su - phablet". your prompt should change to "phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$"
[17:13] <kowak> peat-psuwit: and now?
[17:14] <peat-psuwit> kowak: run the script again
[17:15] <kowak> peat-psuwit: no call sound and no other sound
[17:16] <kowak> peat-psuwit: script don't print any output
[17:16] <peat-psuwit> kowak: "start pulseaudio"
[17:18] <kowak> peat-psuwit: start: Job is already running: pulseaudio
[17:19] <peat-psuwit> kowak: "restart pulseaudio"
[17:19] <kowak> peat-psuwit: pulseaudio start/running, process 12585
[17:20] <peat-psuwit> kowak: try running the script and make call.
[17:21] <kowak> peat-psuwit: no sound
[17:22] <peat-psuwit> kowak: "tail ~/.cache/upstart/pulseaudio.log"
[17:23] <kowak> peat-psuwit: tail: cannot open ‘/home/phablet/.cache/upstart/pulseaudio.log’ for reading: No such file or directory
[17:24] <peat-psuwit> kowak: "pactl list" (put output on pastebin, it's long)
[17:25] <kowak> peat-psuwit: http://pastebin.com/zvsnd3n3
[17:26] <kowak> peat-psuwit: note the phone is running ubuntu touch 14.10
[17:28] <peat-psuwit> kowak: Ok. So this seems to be the problem. This pulseaudio binary is built on 15.04.
[17:28] <peat-psuwit> kowak: how do you install that version?
[17:29] <kowak> peat-psuwit: i installed using rootstock
[17:29] <kowak> peat-psuwit: i installed 14.10 because 15.04 and up have a UI lag
[17:33] <peat-psuwit> kowak: Currently everyone's focus is on 15.04. 14.10 is not supported anymore.
[17:33] <kowak> peat-psuwit: i can install 15.04 but the lag make device unstable
[17:38] <peat-psuwit> kowak: That's strange.
[17:40] <kowak> peat-psuwit: much strange, 14.10 runs smooth and 15.04 runs lag and touch delay
[17:47] <kowak> peat-psuwit: do you used any patch for graphics?
[17:50] <peat-psuwit> kowak: I use caf-new variant of hardware/qcom/{media,display} from CM (with a bit of change in makefile)
[17:51] <kowak> peat-psuwit: Hmm i think is it, i'm using defaut media,display variant
[17:54] <peat-psuwit> kowak: I recommend using my fork, which is patched already: https://github.com/peat-psuwit/ubuntu-phone_hardware_qcom_media-caf-new https://github.com/peat-psuwit/ubuntu-phone_hardware_qcom_display-caf-new
[17:55] <peat-psuwit> kowak: also, take this: https://github.com/peat-psuwit/ubuntu-phone_build patched with CM specific build system
[17:57] <kowak> peat-psuwit: i will make this changes and make a new build thanks for all
[17:57] <peat-psuwit> kowak: You're welcome. :)
[18:10] <kowak> peat-psuwit: i got this error hardware/qcom/display-caf-new/liboverlay/mdpWrapper.h:72:36: error: 'mdp_overlay_list' has not been declared
[18:10] <kowak> hardware/qcom/display-caf-new/liboverlay/mdpWrapper.h:180:43: error: 'mdp_overlay_list' has not been declared
[18:10] <kowak> hardware/qcom/display-caf-new/liboverlay/mdpWrapper.h: In function 'bool overlay::mdp_wrapper::validateAndSet(const int&, int&)':
[18:10] <kowak> hardware/qcom/display-caf-new/liboverlay/mdpWrapper.h:182:19: error: 'MSMFB_OVERLAY_PREPARE' was not declared in this scope
[18:14] <peat-psuwit> kowak: put content of include/linux/msm_mdp.h in Linux tree to pastebin
[18:15] <kowak> peat-psuwit: http://pastebin.com/txPuAzaV
[18:20] <peat-psuwit> kowak: your file seems to be different from mine. What device is it, exactly?
[18:20] <kowak> peat-psuwit: Motorola Moto-E 2014
[18:21] <peat-psuwit> kowak: Can you give me a codename?
[18:21] <kowak> peat-psuwit: condor
[18:23] <peat-psuwit> kowak: Where did you get your initial device tree?
[18:24] <kowak> peat-psuwit: https://github.com/percy-g2/android_device_motorola_condor/tree/cm-11.0
[18:25] <peat-psuwit> kowak: You seems not to need caf-new variant. So, this is probably not the cause for the lag.
[20:52] <Guest56804> Guys, I tried to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 4. Followed all instructions, however, at the end of all process, my nexus gets to the download mode and/or says that I must connect my nexus to a PC do recovery it.
[20:53] <Guest56804> Any suggestion on where I can be doing wrong?
[20:57] <Guest56804>  Guys, I tried to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 4. Followed all instructions, however, at the end of all process, my nexus gets to the download mode and/or says that I must connect my nexus to a PC do recovery it. Any suggestion on where I can be doing wrong?
[21:05] <dobey> you were too impatient
[21:23] <muka> my usb tether stoped working after last update. Anyone with same problem. It looks like android-gadget-service crashes phone. Anyone has same problem?
[22:42] <mvdd> Exit
[23:32] <DougReeder_> I see the directions for installing Ubuntu Touch at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ require Ubuntu Desktop. Are there alternate directions using a Mac?
[23:33] <DougReeder_> Are the directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install/OSX still valid?
[23:34] <DougReeder_> I have the android tools installed.
[23:36] <kowak> anyone know about this? W/msm8974_platform( 2878): 24bit not enable, no need to check for backend change
[23:36] <kowak> D/hardware_info( 2878): hw_info_append_hw_type : device_name = voice-handset
[23:36] <kowak> E/ACDB-LOADER( 2878): ACDB -> Not correctly initialized!
[23:36] <kowak> I/audio_hw_primary( 2878): select_devices: exit
[23:36] <DougReeder_> If I'm not developing new software for ubuntu, can I do without the Go language runtime?
[23:45] <DougReeder_> This link redirects to the main installation page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Download_.26_Installation  Is there a new manual installationnpage?


[02:04] <Azth> New Release | avant-garde, electroacoustic, musique concrete, drone | [The Spark of Omnipotence - https://archive.org/details/the-spark-of-omnipotence]
[02:04] <holstein> is this yours?
[08:10] <miraculix> Hello there! I am looking for help to understand how i can upgrade from LTS 12.04 to LTS 14.04 and keep all my settings and programs so forth and so on
[08:11] <cfhowlett> miraculix, you can upgrade lts to LTS directly
[08:11] <miraculix> cfhowlett on the ubuntu website it says to reinstall
[08:12] <cfhowlett> miraculix, I would be money you read it wrong.
[08:12] <cfhowlett> *bet*
[08:12] <cfhowlett> anyway: 12.04 >>> 14.04 upgrade is supported.
[08:13] <miraculix> ok thanks I will have another look
[08:13] <miraculix> you are probably right
[08:14] <miraculix> Upgrading is not recommended because of various bugs. One of those bugs is 1284635. But, if you still prefer to perform an upgrade, follow these instructions:
[08:15] <cfhowlett> miraculix, then download 14.04.3, move your /home to a dedicated /home, backup essentials and clean install 14.04
[08:15] <cfhowlett> !home
[08:16] <miraculix> perfect thanks I will have a go at it
[08:17] <miraculix> I have a slow connection will take a few hours, but i will get there thanks both of you
[08:17] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[08:18] <cfhowlett> miraculix, you ARE using .torrent not direct download, right?   RIGHT?
[08:18] <miraculix> a no I think i used the direct one why?
[08:19] <miraculix> should i use torrent ?
[08:19] <cfhowlett> 1.  .torrent tends to be faster.   2.  torrent has WAY Fewer errors.  3.  always torrent.  ALWAYS torrent.  ALWAYS.
[08:19] <miraculix> ok -will do I can just stop and re-do
[20:17] <studio-user175> p
[23:35] <NoteOn> hi


[00:24] <bnjmn> anyone using ubuntu on ec2? i'm trying to decide which version to use
[00:25] <bnjmn> also-- anyone know where i can get the kernel source w/ any patches used to create ubuntu's ec2 kernels?
[00:25] <bnjmn> can't seem to find that anywhere...
[00:30] <Debolaz> Are there any good NAS server management software packaged for Ubuntu?
[00:45] <erichammond> bnjmn: What do you mean "which version to use"?
[00:45] <erichammond> bnjmn: The EC2 kernel source may or may not be available, but it isn't much use since you can't build your own kernels for EC2.
[00:52] <crashsystems> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 9.04 server onto a computer that has no CD drive, via a USB stick. The installer does not like this, and wants me to give it a CD drive. Google is not pointing me in the right direction. Does anyone know how to do this?
[00:58] <bnjmn> i want to build my own kernel module
[01:09] <bnjmn> if i could just get the config that would be great
[01:28] <erichammond> bnjmn: Yep, kernel modules are buildable for EC2.  What EC2 kernel are you using?
[01:37] <yonatan> hi
[01:38] <yonatan> i'm looking for some help with ubuntu server 9.04 "minimal virtual machine" option
[02:10] <lukehasnoname> soooo.... something happened to Samba so it doesn't start on my server at startup. It doesn't fail out, it stops the startup process so the server doesn't start.
[02:20] <twb> lukehasnoname: echo /etc/rc?.d/???samba
[02:55] <Chris-Away> anyone around? (with lib mono exp & apache)
[04:11] <altf2o> hello all, i have 'git' up and running on my Ubuntu 9.04 server perfectly. Only issue is i'd like to start the daemon automatically on each reboot. Perhaps i'm just searching for the wrong thing, but i'm not finding where to add that into Ubuntu's normal boot\startup process, any ideas?
[04:17] <twb> If there's a daemon, there should already be an init script.
[04:17] <twb> Which package provides the daemon?
[04:18] <altf2o> git itself. You can launch it as a daemon, via: sudo -u git git daemon --base-path=/home/git/repositories/ , i just need that to launch when i startup.
[04:18] <twb> OK, you mean "git-core".
[04:19] <twb> That has no init script, so you will need to write one.
[04:19] <twb> It is probably simplest to put it in /etc/rc.local, which runs at the end of the boot process.
[04:19] <twb> You should also use start-stop-daemon rather than sudo -u git.
[04:23] <altf2o> awesome, found a couple things on it so far, let me give it a whirl. (Good thing for test virtual servers, have a feeling i'm gonna get this wrong before right :). )
[04:24] <twb> You can run /etc/rc.local by hand until you get it riht
[04:24] <twb> *right
[04:52] <altf2o> cool, so i got that working w/ rc.local. Now while i investigate the actual 'init script' i did notice it launches the process as user 'root' i definitely want to change that to user 'git.' Any ideas? My searches are coming up with a lot about 'fork' or Perl function, not just a generic way to launch /any/ process as another user.
[04:55] <altf2o> n/m, got it. Awesome thanks for the help :) I'll continue to read this tutorial on init scripts. Ultimately that's what i want.
[05:00] <twb> altf2o: you need to pass --user to start-stop-daemon
[05:00] <twb> (--run-as?)
[05:01] <altf2o> ahh, perfect...
[05:03] <android60> just curious, what does everyone use for ftp server and why
[05:03] <android60> software wise
[05:04] <qman__> android60, openssh-server
[05:04] <qman__> because ftp is insecure
[05:06] <android60> well, I am just looking to use the ftp on my lan, of course i use winscp and openssh to do over internet transfers :)
[05:06] <android60> its b.c some of the programs i have will connect either via samba or ftp, and id rather avoid samba
[05:06] <qman__> over a lan, smb or nfs are better choices
[05:06] <twb> For anonymous read access, HTTP beats FTP.
[05:07] <twb> For uploads, use SFTP (OpenSSH)
[05:07] <qman__> and yes, read-only, http is great
[05:07] <android60> i also have apache because as a hobby i do websites with php etc
[05:07] <twb> Both in terms of security and protocol design, FTP has serious limitations that make it unsuitable for use in production.
[05:07] <altf2o> i just finished setting up Samba on my little test server, i was amazed how easy it was. I changed 1 line, added my shares, added libpam-smbpass, rebooted, done.
[05:08] <qman__> ftp was originally designed before the concept of firewalls existed
[05:08] <qman__> as such it's completely obsolete and difficult to work with
[05:09] <android60> altf2o: what did libpam-smbpass do?
[05:09] <qman__> libpam-smbpass makes samba authentication less difficult
[05:09] <altf2o> android60: Samba keeps it's own db of user\pass's. That PAM module syncs Samba w/ local Linux user\pass's.
[05:10] <android60> I've tried samba but I was having user permission problems. and I don't like having to add a user to samba access, i wish i could just create a user on the system and have it automatically allow them access to specified shares
[05:10] <android60> well then,
[05:10] <altf2o> So if i add user 'steve' instead of having to then do: smbpasswd .... to give him a Samba password, it updates it for me. I maintain one, much easier.
[05:10] <android60> thats exactly what i want
[05:10] <android60> i better write it down before i forget
[05:11] <android60> is there any setup for libpam-smbpass or once installed its good to go
[05:11] <altf2o> android60: what i've done 2 things. If i'm creating private shares, i add it to my home directory, limit access to myself. If i need a public share for multiple people i create a group, add them to that group, create the directory i want to share and assign it to that group. I usually: chmod 0775 the folder and just use "read only = user, list here" for folks i want to be 'read only' on it.
[05:12] <qman__> samba's magic homes share is incredibly useful
[05:12] <qman__> you can usually just use that, plus a public share
[05:12] <altf2o> android60: yep, should be good to go. One thing i noticed is it won't update for me until that user 'logs in' even: su steve , <steves pass> did it. Can't figure out how to manually say "please re-sync"
[05:12] <altf2o> agrees w/ homes share.
[05:13] <android60> ya, see im mostly using mine as a nas, so all relevant files and folders are not on the system hard drive. that was another question i had
[05:13] <android60> was is there a way to have the home directories point to like /media/MainStorage1/Documents/usernames_here
[05:13] <android60> b.c i would like encrypted home directories
[05:13] <android60> just not on my 40gb system drive
[05:14] <qman__> you can create a separate /home partition
[05:14] <android60> ya, i just kinda didnt want to do that
[05:14] <qman__> that's the usual way to do that, or use ecryptfs for encrypted homes
[05:14] <android60> i have 2 1TB drives, one is for archive via cron job rsync
[05:14] <qman__> you could use symbolic links, but be aware that if the target is ever missing, it will break logins
[05:15] <android60> ya thats what i was trying to avoid also
[05:15] <android60> ubuntu server is great for my needs, and the system its on is only like sempron 1250+ and 1 gb ram
[05:16] <android60> i think i might up ram alittle bit once i get mythtv backend going
[05:16] <qman__> what is probably ideal for what you want is to have a separate /home partition, and use ecryptfs for homes
[05:16] <qman__> putting the /home partition on a separate hard drive
[05:17] <android60> ya, i might do that down the line. im not in a hurry to do that right now
[05:19] <android60> does widnows support nfs? like if i want to map a network drive?
[05:19] <qman__> no
[05:19] <android60> didnt think so
[05:19] <qman__> windows uses SMB
[05:19] <qman__> which is what samba does
[05:20] <qman__> there are NFS clients for windows, but I've never used them, and from what I've read, they're rough
[05:20] <android60> ya same here
[05:20] <android60> i didnt know if vista/win7 supported it or what
[05:20] <qman__> nfs is generally something to be avoided also, unless you're really taking care to set up a secured nix enviroment
[05:21] <android60> oh, i wasnt aware of that
[05:21] <qman__> unless you're using an nfsv4 with kerberos setup, it's pretty insecure
[05:22] <qman__> and it uses RPC, which is somewhat painful to deal with
[05:22] <android60> never really heard of any of that, but ill take your word for it
[05:22] <qman__> it's another one of those really old protocols that just weren't built in today's internet
[05:22] <qman__> samba's not much better, but on a LAN you're fine
[05:22] <qman__> it's also pretty much the only way to integrate well with windows
[05:23] <android60> ya
[05:26] <altf2o> Kerberos looks really nice, and not to bad to setup. That's sort of my next project LDAP + Kerberos
[05:28] <qman__> openssh is the swiss army knife of secure protocols
[05:28] <qman__> shell access, tunnels, file transfer, even mounting filesystems
[05:29] <qman__> all on one port
[05:29] <qman__> all encrypted
[05:29] <altf2o> i'm new to it, but i don't know what i'd do without it now.
[06:17] <swoody> I have a guy with an issue about how to use a custom 404 page on his Apache server
[06:17] <swoody> can anyone help me/him out?
[06:17] <swoody> "i run apache built into a WAMP server for my website, but i cant figure out how to set the 404 page to a custom one in the httpd.conf file for apache"
[06:28] <twb> We do not support Windows.
[06:29] <twb> Try apache's channel, which IIRC is #httpd.
[06:31] <swoody> twb: ok, thanks for the pointer :)
[06:31] <swoody> there's just not many people around, so I figured I'd see if anyone here was familiar with it as well
[06:59] <lukehasnoname> twb: I can't even log in. It stops the boot process. Is that not a bug? Should a program be able to lock a server up like that? I know I could probably go in grub and boot to single user mode, wipe Samba or take it out of the startup list, but wtf mang
[08:01] <acalvo> hi
[08:01] <acalvo> I've been trying to set up squid with NTLM auth without succeed
[08:02] <acalvo> it seems that my main problem is that winbind is not working properly because squid is not in the same machine as samba PDC
[08:02] <acalvo> but I'm not able to find any site which talks about this
[08:02] <acalvo> and all tutorials I've been reading point to the same scenario: samba and squid in the same computer
[08:03] <acalvo> now I'm able to do a wbinfo -t and wbinfo -a domain\\user%password and it works
[08:03] <acalvo> but wbinfo -u nor wbinfo -a work
[08:15] <_ruben> bah .. why do customers still request servers with php4 installed .. its been dead for years
[08:17] <henkjan> do you still install php4?
[08:17] <henkjan> on request?
[08:19] <Maelos`> because dead isn't defined by whether or not there are still releases occurring
[08:19] <Maelos`> people with revenue generating apps don't necessarily convert to the latest version of a language
[08:23] <_ruben> henkjan: sortof .. i completely firewall the box and them fuck things up themselves
[08:47] <SockPants> hey all
[08:48] <SockPants> i have a standard install of 8.04 server. how can i configure ftp?
[08:49] <ivoks> install vsftpd
[08:49] <SockPants> i'm finding stuff about vsftpd and proftpd but what's the difference, and which is installed by default?
[08:49] <SockPants> ah, none is installed/
[08:49] <ivoks> ubuntu server by default doesn't install any services
[08:49] <ivoks> it has no open ports
[08:49] <SockPants> i chose to install LAMP though
[08:50] <SockPants> and apache is on by default
[08:50] <ivoks> you don't get ftp service with that
[08:50] <SockPants> ok
[08:52] <ivoks> brb
[08:52] <SockPants> then whats the difference between the different ftpds?
[08:52] <ivoks> it's up to you
[08:52] <ivoks> i prefere vsfptd
[08:52] <ivoks> some like proftpd
[08:52] <ivoks> you can't go wrong with eny of them
[08:52] <ivoks> any
[08:52] <ivoks> brb
[08:55] <acalvo> how can I get a version of a packages installed?
[08:55] <acalvo> s/get/check
[08:55] <ivoks> dpkg -l
[08:55] <acalvo> thanks
[08:55] <ivoks> dpkg -l | grep package
[08:55] <_ruben> dpkg -l package ;)
[08:56] <ivoks> or that :)
[08:56] <twb> apt-cache policy package
[08:57] <SockPants> are there no suitable alternatives to ftp for accessing files?
[08:57] <ivoks> of course there are
[08:58] <ivoks> sftp, scp, webdav
[08:58] <ivoks> etc...
[08:58] <twb> afs :-)
[08:58] <SockPants> does ubuntu come with netatalk client?
[08:58] <SockPants> or is it easy to set up?
[08:59] <ivoks> no, n/a
[08:59] <SockPants> i'm installing netatalk anyway for my mac
[08:59] <soren> jdstrand: Yes, a quick workaround would be lovely.
[08:59] <himanshurauthan> how can I use ubuntu server to host any website
[08:59] <ivoks> himanshurauthan: you should install web server
[08:59] <twb> himanshurauthan: you can't host other people's websites
[09:00] <himanshurauthan> on ubuntu server can't I do
[09:00] <himanshurauthan> what is this web server then
[09:00] <himanshurauthan> in ubuntu?
[09:00] <twb> Unfortunately, unlike Debian, Ubuntu's initrd does not include a web server.
[09:01] <himanshurauthan> So for what purpose I can use ubuntu server
[09:01] <ivoks> apache
[09:01] <twb> break=bottom, busybox httpd FTW
[09:01] <ivoks> himanshurauthan: sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[09:02] <ivoks> himanshurauthan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:02] <himanshurauthan> ok so after installing lamp server can I host a website in that
[09:02] <ivoks> himanshurauthan: yes
[09:03] <himanshurauthan> so what all other stuffs do I need if I want to host websites on a ubuntu server
[09:03] <himanshurauthan> do I need some special hardware also
[09:04] <twb> himanshurauthan: "I want to host a website" is not really a meaningful approach.
[09:04] <ivoks> you need a working system
[09:04] <ivoks> hardware depends on how serious you are
[09:04] <twb> Why do you want to host a website?  What are you intending to host?
[09:04] <ivoks> and how many websites you plan to have
[09:05] <himanshurauthan> no it is not for hosting many sites but it is about hosting my own site
[09:05] <twb> Are you intending to host an intranet CMS, a family photo album, a flash-heavy bulletin board, or what?
[09:05] <himanshurauthan> my business site
[09:05] <himanshurauthan> should I go for shared server or my own dedicated server
[09:06] <himanshurauthan> since I want to expand it in future
[09:06] <twb> OK, then the next question is: do you want to do this yourself, or do you want to hire an expert to handle it for you?
[09:06] <himanshurauthan> I'm a web developer basically
[09:06] <twb> You're a webdev, but you don't know how to set up a webserver?
[09:06] <ivoks> then install lamp-server
[09:07] <himanshurauthan> for this what type of expert I need
[09:07] <ivoks> none
[09:07] <ivoks> you install it
[09:07] <ivoks> and it works
[09:07] <ivoks> you just need to put your website on disk
[09:07] <himanshurauthan> is it networking or webdev
[09:07] <twb> So you're already familiar with developing with technologies like PostgreSQL (or MySQL), Apache, and Python (or PHP)?
[09:07] <himanshurauthan> yes
[09:07] <ivoks> is it networking or webdav?
[09:07] <ivoks> huh?
[09:08] <SockPants> its not networking
[09:08] <twb> himanshurauthan: OK, so really all you need to do is learn how to do the underlying system administration.
[09:08] <SockPants> its not webdev
[09:08] <himanshurauthan> ok
[09:08] <ivoks> oh, how do you access the disk?
[09:08] <ivoks> however you want - SMB/SCP/FTP/SFTP...
[09:08] <twb> If you already understand how to USE stuff like Postgres, then you can probably pick up sysadmin of those services easily.
[09:08] <ivoks> but you need to configure server for that
[09:09] <twb> Installing the lamp-server task, as already recommended, will give you a basic setup that you can then tweak if/as necessary.
[09:09] <himanshurauthan> hm ok
[09:09] <SockPants> basically once you install it you can just put your files there and it will work
[09:09] <SockPants> it's not very difficult
[09:09] <twb> himanshurauthan: as for hosting your own server vs. buying hosting space or a VPS, that comes down to issues like cost and who administers what.
[09:10] <himanshurauthan> for external purpose means not for interanet I need server right??
[09:10] <himanshurauthan> that has access to the world
[09:10] <himanshurauthan> then I need to go for Domain name also
[09:10] <twb> himanshurauthan: for a website you will also need to sort out an adequate network connection, a domain name, etc.
[09:10] <SockPants> btw, is there a way to install i386 packages on a 64 bit OS (its a fuse filesystem)
[09:11] <twb> SockPants: in general, no.  It requires fundamental changes in dpkg, which are pending.  There are various workarounds, however.
[09:11] <twb> SockPants: I don't know what you mean by "it's a fuse filesystem"
[09:11] <SockPants> well that's what i'm installing, afpfs-ng
[09:11] <SockPants> there's only a .deb for 32 bit
[09:11] <ivoks> bye
[09:12] <twb> SockPants: good luck with that
[09:12] <SockPants> >.>
[09:12] <SockPants> how so
[09:12] <twb> SockPants: why are you still running MacOS 9?
[09:12] <SockPants> twb: whats an alternative, and i'm not
[09:13] <twb> SockPants: AFP sucks.  You would be better off using CIFS (Samba) and/or NFS.
[09:13] <SockPants> i always thought cifs sucked
[09:13] <SockPants> and i never got nfs to work
[09:13] <twb> CIFS does suck.
[09:13] <SockPants> but if afs is that bad i'm willing to try again
[09:13] <twb> But AFP sucks more unless you are stuck on MacOS 9 where it's your only option.
[09:13] <SockPants> ok
[09:13] <twb> Note: AFS is not AFP.
[09:13] <SockPants> well then i'll try nfs again
[09:14] <SockPants> unless that's not very good either
[09:14] <twb> AFS is for people who have thousands of users around the world.
[09:14] <SockPants> yeah
[09:14] <SockPants> i don't
[09:14] <twb> If you are in a heterogeneous environment, CIFS is by far the easiest to set up
[09:14] <SockPants> twb: the clients are only ubuntu or os x
[09:14] <twb> SockPants: what do you need a client on, other than OS X, Ubuntu and Windows?
[09:15] <twb> Oh sorry, I misunderstood
[09:15] <SockPants> so nfs would work i suppose
[09:15] <twb> If you are only using Ubuntu and OS X, NFS or CIFS is appropriate.
[09:15] <SockPants> but is nfs any good
[09:15] <SockPants> fundamentally
[09:15] <twb> I hear that NFS is much easier on recent versions of OS X.
[09:15] <SockPants> it seems all the file sharing protocols suck
[09:15] <twb> YES
[09:15] <twb> Basically you have to choose which kind of suck to have
[09:15] <SockPants> cifs sucks, ftp sucks, afp sucks
[09:15] <SockPants> hahah
[09:15] <SockPants> ok
[09:16] <SockPants> but nfs sucks less than those three?
[09:16] <SockPants> what sucks most about nfs?
[09:16] <twb> OS X and Ubuntu both have good CIFS and NFS clients, and Ubuntu has good servers for both of those.
[09:16] <SockPants> ok
[09:16] <twb> Probably the suckiest things about NFSv3 are its (lack of) security and its dodgy locking.
[09:17] <SockPants> locking?
[09:17] <twb> But basically all network filesystems have broken locking semantics
[09:17] <SockPants> alright well
[09:17] <twb> SockPants: as in, stopping two computers from trying to edit the same file at the same time
[09:17] <SockPants> if it's not a severe problem
[09:17] <SockPants> and i don't think that will happen btw
[09:17] <SockPants> then i'll go with NFS
[09:17] <twb> e.g. dodgy locking can break OpenOffice and Firefox 3, if /home is on a network filesystem.
[09:18] <SockPants> for security i would be tunneling over ssh anyway whenever i'm outside of the lan
[09:18] <twb> This happens with CIFS and NFS, and probably all other network filesystems.
[09:18] <twb> SockPants: if you are outside the lan, sshfs is very good for small files
[09:18] <SockPants> sshfs != sftp/
[09:18] <SockPants> +
[09:18] <SockPants> ?
[09:18] <twb> Correct.
[09:19] <twb> sshfs is a way to mount SFTP as if it is part of the filesystem
[09:19] <SockPants> ok
[09:19] <twb> So programs that don't know SFTP can just read and write files normally
[09:19] <SockPants> i'll start with nfs since i'm on the lan most of the time
[09:25] <SockPants> what port does nfs run on
[09:30] <SockPants> mm many
[09:30] <SockPants> does ssh tunnel both tcp/udp?
[09:31] <twb> SockPants: yes
[09:31] <twb> You will not successfully tunnel NFS over ssh -w.
[09:31] <twb> Not without great pain.
[09:32] <twb> NFS not only uses multiple ports, it will by default negotiate additional ports during MOUNTP
[09:32] <twb> And by default it refuses to countenance ports that can be bound to by unprivileged users (i.e. >= 1024).
[09:37] <SockPants> hurrr but then how will it ever get past my firewall
[09:37] <SockPants> i could open the default ports but it still couldnt negotiate any additional ones
[09:38] <twb> SockPants: DO NOT use NFS over the WAN without using encryption (e.g. ssh, openvpn).
[09:38] <SockPants> hence ssh
[09:38] <SockPants> brb
[09:38] <twb> If you need a network filesystem on the WAN, either use SSHFS or AFS.
[09:39] <twb> NFS is only appropriate if you're inside LAN or an encrypted VPN
[09:42] <SockPants> i might just try to set up a vpn then
[09:42] <acalvo> what do I need to be able to use winbind in one computer to auth against a samba PDC in another computer?
[09:43] <SockPants> though i've never used vpn so that should be interesting
[09:43] <SockPants> but that would solve all my problems in one go i suppose
[09:46] <twb> acalvo: first of all, make sure the samba side works
[09:47] <acalvo> twb: it is working (wbinfo -u, wbinfo -g, wbinfo -a worked but no plaintext support)
[09:47] <twb> acalvo: OK, I don't know what is next
[09:47] <twb> I never got samba auth working right
[10:44] <Jeeves_> Hmm
[10:44] <Jeeves_> [  392.560519] vcpu not ready for apic_round_robin
[10:45] <Jeeves_> soren: How can I fix that? You're the KVM-guru, aren't you? :)
[10:46] <soren> Jeeves_: Just ignore it?
[10:46] <Jeeves_> soren: :)
[10:46] <soren> Jeeves_: IIRC, it's just informational.
[10:47] <Jeeves_> kvm migration makes the vm crash
[10:47] <soren> I need more detail to form an opinion on that :)
[10:47] <Jeeves_> which is kinda annoying
[10:47] <Jeeves_> What detail do you want? :)
[10:47] <Jeeves_> I'm currently testing convirt
[10:47] <soren> You migrate a vm from one machine to another, and in the process, the vm crashes?
[10:47] <soren> Oh. With convirt, you're on your own.
[10:48] <Jeeves_> Why?
[10:48] <soren> I have no clue about convirt.
[10:48] <Jeeves_> Ok
[10:48] <soren> and it doesn't use libvirt.
[10:48] <Jeeves_> Well, I've never seen it work with libvirt either, so :)
[10:48] <soren> ..so it's /completely/ unknown territory.
[10:49] <soren> Well, that I /might/ be able to help you with, given enough detail.
[10:49] <Jeeves_> just a sec, i'll install libvirt
[11:01] <garymc> Yo!
[11:04] <Jeeves_> soren: Same thing happens :)
[11:04] <Jeeves_> What do you need to know?
[11:08] <soren> Jeeves_: Everything.
[11:08] <soren> Jeeves_: What are you doing? Which version of ubuntu, libvirt, and kvm are you using?
[11:08] <soren> Jeeves_: Where's your storage?
[11:08] <soren> Jeeves_: What's the guest OS=
[11:08] <soren> ?
[11:09] <soren> Jeeves_: Define "crash".
[11:09] <Jeeves_> soren: Right.
[11:09] <Jeeves_> Running Ubuntu Jaunty on Sun Fire X2200's
[11:10] <Jeeves_> Shared storage is nfs on a Ubuntu Jaunty server
[11:10] <soren> Those are Intel boxes, right?
[11:10] <Jeeves_> No, AMD
[11:10] <soren> Ok.
[11:10] <Jeeves_> Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2376
[11:10] <soren> Cool.
[11:10] <Jeeves_> Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2354
[11:10]  * soren prefers AMD
[11:10] <Jeeves_> Both boxes have 8GB RAM
[11:10] <Jeeves_> When migrating, the bridge interfaces become busy
[11:11] <Jeeves_> So, migration is done
[11:11] <soren> Right.
[11:11] <Jeeves_> when it (seems to be) is finished
[11:11] <Jeeves_> I can use the vnc-like interface to view
[11:11] <Jeeves_> but the vm hangs
[11:11] <Jeeves_> the kvm process is moved (or restarted) on the target host
[11:11] <Jeeves_> and is using 100% cpu load
[11:12] <soren> Fantastic.
[11:12] <soren> Ok.
[11:12] <soren> The NFS is mounted in the same place on both hosts?
[11:12] <soren> (let's start with the basics)
[11:12] <Jeeves_> it is
[11:12] <soren> Ok.
[11:12] <Jeeves_> <IP_ADDRESS>:/export/vmstore /mnt/vmstore1 nfs rw,vers=3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,namlen=255,hard,nointr,nolock,proto=tcp,timeo=4,retrans=9,sec=sys,mountaddr=<IP_ADDRESS>,mountvers=3,mountproto=tcp,addr=<IP_ADDRESS> 0 0
[11:13] <soren> Can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/libvirt/qemu/name_of_the_domain.log from both hosts?
[11:14] <Jeeves_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/273366/
[11:15] <Jeeves_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/273367/
[11:19] <soren> Nothing jumps out at me. Erm..
[11:20] <soren> Can you start up the domain again and look for a few things for me?
[11:20] <Jeeves_> sure
[11:20] <Jeeves_> what should i look for?
[11:24] <soren> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
[11:25] <Jeeves_> both tsc
[11:34] <Jeeves_> Anything else?
[11:39] <soren> Can you change that?
[11:40] <soren> Try "echo acpi_pm | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource"
[11:43] <Jeeves_> Done
[11:50] <Jeeves_> Doesn't help
[11:52] <soren> Did it accept the change?
[11:53] <Jeeves_> root@kvm4:/var/log/libvirt/qemu# cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
[11:53] <Jeeves_> acpi_pm
[11:53] <soren> Alright.
[11:53] <Jeeves_> restarted the vm
[11:53] <Jeeves_> deleted sound devices
[11:56] <Jeeves_> that doesn't help either
[12:58] <Jeeves_> soren: Switched to cifs storage, doesn't change a thing
[12:59] <soren> Jeeves_: No, it wouldn't.
[12:59] <soren> Jeeves_: I'm afraid I don't have a Jaunty rig to test this on.
[13:00] <Jeeves_> soren: Need access? :)
[13:00] <Jeeves_> (i'm serious though)
[13:00] <yonatan> hi anyone here who can help me with the "minimal virtual machine" installation option in Ubuntu Server 9.04?
[13:01] <soren> yonatan: Just ask your question.
[13:01] <soren> We won't know unti lwe know what the question is.
[13:04] <yonatan> towards the end of the installation you get a choice of what packages to install. I don't understand the option: "basic ubuntu server" should I select this option as a minimum?
[13:04] <soren> Depends. What's the server for?
[13:05] <soren> yonatan: It's kind of like asking "should I install a web server?". We have no way to know.
[13:05] <yonatan> ok i'll elaborate
[13:06] <yonatan> i'm looking to create a "management" virtual machine that will run Splunk, VMware vCLI and that's pretty much it
[13:11] <yonatan> what is installed with the "basic ubuntu server"? is there a way of listing the packages?
[13:14] <Jeeves_> yonatan: The safest option is to choose nothing
[13:14] <Jeeves_> and apt-get install it later on
[13:15] <yonatan> Jeeves_: Ok. Can you tell me when using apt-get is it possible to get a list of available packages?
[13:15] <zul> morning
[13:17] <Jeeves_> yonatan: yes. 'apt-cache search .'
[13:17] <Jeeves_> But that's not what you want
[13:17] <Jeeves_> you want to apt-cache search 'the stuff i need'
[13:18] <yonatan> ok and can a similar command be used to see what is actually installed on my ubuntu server?
[13:20] <Pici> yonatan: dpkg -l | grep "^ii"
[13:20] <yonatan> ok thanks Pici
[13:21] <Jeeves_> Pici: That only shows packages that are installed, or have been installed
[13:21] <Pici> Jeeves_: Thats what he asked, isn't it?
[13:21] <yonatan> yep I want to know what is installed so that I know if I need to get anything else
[13:21]  * soren takes a break
[13:22]  * Jeeves_ curses on kvm
[13:22] <yonatan> might sound strange but I'm having problems installing something called VMware vCLI
[13:22] <yonatan> and haven't found an answer anywhere
[13:22] <Jeeves_> nothing concerning 'vmware' and 'problems' is strange
[13:22] <henkjan> :)
[13:24] <ewook> well, perhaps the absense for problems.
[13:24] <Jeeves_> ewook: Yes, that would be surprising indeed :)
[13:24] <Jeeves_> henkjan: How's your redhat install on vmware going? :)
[13:24] <ewook> as suprising as if my grammar would be correct all the time.
[13:24] <Jeeves_> ewook: :)
[13:27] <yonatan> Jeeves_: hehe do you know how to get vCLI installed and working?
[13:28] <Jeeves_> yonatan: No. And I don't want to know either
[13:46] <ttx> smoser: ping
[13:55] <jdstrand> soren: re workaround> ok
[13:56] <jdstrand> soren: do you think I should allow rw for the initrd? what about the kernel?
[13:57] <soren> No.
[13:57] <soren> Just r.
[13:57] <soren> ...but you already do that, right?
[13:57] <soren> I know I tested that.
[13:57] <soren> jdstrand: ^
[13:59] <jdstrand> soren: well, I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/431090/comments/4
[14:00] <soren> jdstrand: Right. I thought that was just the console thing.
[14:00] <jdstrand> soren: Daniel says it is also the kernel and initrd
[14:00] <soren> Oh... Perhaps I tested everything before we ould go into enforce mode?
[14:00] <jdstrand> soren: possibly... though -10 fixed all that
[14:01] <soren> I *know* I tested with a domain that booted form an external kernel and ramdisk.
[14:01] <jdstrand> soren: anyhoo, this is just a workaround until I get virt-aa-helper to use the xml
[14:01] <soren> jdstrand: Well, this was back when you first asked me to test. :)
[14:01] <zul> ttx: do you have any patches you are sitting on for samba for karmic?
[14:02] <ttx> zul: no.
[14:02] <zul> k
[14:02] <jdstrand> soren: I've added kernel, initrd, serial, console, attach-disk and detach-disk to the list of tests in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/AppArmorLibvirtProfile. I'll get all that working
[14:02]  * soren hugs jdstrand
[14:02] <jdstrand> soren: I'll upload a eucalyptus specific workaround in the meantime
[14:02] <soren> Thanks!
[14:16] <smoser> ttx, here. whats up?
[14:17] <ttx> smoser: bug 364916
[14:17] <ttx> smoser: is there still something to do on that precise bug ?
[14:17] <zul> ttx: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/273481/
[14:18] <ttx> zul: sounds good
[14:18] <smoser> ttx, comment 13 is correct there
[14:19] <smoser> the eucalyptus page does now mention how to get acpiphp into the ramdisk
[14:19] <ttx> smoser: a) is done and b) is todo but has another bug opened to track it ?
[14:19] <smoser> but we really should be producing a kernel and ramdisk alongside the images
[14:19] <smoser> so yeah
[14:19] <smoser> you're correct.
[14:19] <ttx> ok, will close this one and point to the other then.
[14:32] <kpettit> I've got a Xeon quad-core, and when I run backup's and such a single gzip process seems to slow down my entire machine
[14:33] <kpettit> When I look at resources the gzip process isn't taking much memory, but it still slows down my entire system make it unresponsive and pokey until it's finished.
[14:33] <kpettit> Any ideas on how to make this better?
[14:34] <kpettit> If I had a single-core processor I'd understand but it doesn't make sense to me when I have a quad-core
[14:34] <ScottK> If you're running Intrepid or later, use iotop to see what's going on with io.
[14:34] <kpettit> I'm running 9.04
[14:35] <kpettit> I'm installing it now.  I'll start backup's again to see what happens with it
[14:35] <jdstrand> soren: does 'attach-disk' work for you at all in karmic? I added to /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf 'security_driver = "none"' to make sure apparmor wasn't getting in the way (see 'virsh capabilities' after libvirt restart to be sure) and then did:
[14:35] <jdstrand> virsh attach-disk testme /var/lib/libvirt/images/mini.iso hdc --driver file --type cdrom --mode readonly
[14:35] <jdstrand> error: internal error No device with bus 'ide' and target 'hdc'
[14:36] <jdstrand> soren: am I doing something wrong? is this a regression? bug #203020 indicates it is a long-standing problem
[14:37] <kpettit> ScottK, anything specific I'm looking for.  I can see the gzip/tar runnning with iotop
[14:37] <ScottK> I guess see if it seems to be 'a lot' of IO.
[14:38] <kpettit> The gzip is the top process and I see tar as a second process popup then remove then popup.
[14:38] <ScottK> Hard for me to say what that would be for your system
[14:38] <kpettit> Under the IO column it's always 0.00, there is of course alot of disk read/write activity
[14:38] <ScottK> Perhaps do something you know is IO intensive, like copy a file, and see how it compares.
[14:39] <soren> jdstrand: It worked in Jaunty.
[14:39] <soren> jdstrand: I haven't really used it in Karmic, I guess.
[14:39]  * soren has to go pick up his daughter..
[14:43] <kpettit> Scott the system gets slow when I do a normal cp as well.
[14:45] <kpettit> It's anoying.  I know there is alot of disk IO from my one disk to the other, but that shouldn't slow down process that are in memory and already running.
[14:45] <kpettit> Like firefox for example.  Why would copying things slow down a web browser, can't figure that out.
[14:46] <kpettit> ScottK, thanks for showing me iotop though, I like it alot better than top.
[14:52] <_ruben> because firefox uses the disk for cache
[14:53] <ScottK> BTW, since you mention firefox, it's also relatively clear that this isn't the right channel for the question in any case.
[14:55] <kpettit> It's not just firefox, it's everything on the sytem.  Doing server backup's shouldn't slow down all the other processes
[14:55] <kpettit> I do VoIP on this box and any slow downs will mess up the phone calls.
[14:56] <kinnaz> you never run Xorg on server
[14:56] <kpettit> I'll figure it out, was just wondering if it was something obvious.  Haven't delt much with quad-cores so wasn't sure if it was something I needed to configure for it to better handle resources
[14:56] <kpettit> kinnaz: for production that's what I do, this is a dev box at my house though.
[14:57] <kinnaz> thou dunno, if i copy files i doesnot affect my box performance so bad
[14:57] <kinnaz> that everything would lag
[14:57] <clusty> hey
[14:58] <kpettit> kinnaz: that's what's tripping me.  I've never seen disk i/o effect running processes like this.
[14:58] <clusty> still having trouble with local DNS. anybody willing to help me diagnose the issue?
[14:58] <kpettit> clusty: descriibe the problem, somebody will help if they can
[14:59] <aubre> after doing dist-upgrade all my image bundling problems were solved with eucalyptus-1.6, but when I try to run an instance I get the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/273505/
[14:59] <clusty> so: i am having a linux box doing bind+dhcp. I wrote a zone ffile to the best of my ability
[15:00] <clusty> thing is I can resolve form any computer the name of the dns server, but pc's can't resolve each other, nor can the server resolve computres
[15:00] <aubre> but after dist-upgrade, walrus and sc both work well
[15:01] <clusty> i am stuck for a week now. don't know how to proceed. I think the only way is for somebody to tak a peak at my conf files
[15:02] <aubre> ahh I see bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/430093 addresses this
[15:04] <kpettit> clusty: Sorry, I can't help with that one, it's been awhile sense I've done those.
[15:05]  * kpettit installing more memory
[15:14] <aubre> on my new install of karmic alpha 6 I am using XFS and was amazed how fast the filesystems were created, and it was nice to see that there wasn't going to be any fsck happening at boot
[15:18] <clusty> aubre, i thought xfs had a few showstoppers, like FS cannot be shrunk
[15:18] <clusty> this makes it really annoying for a desktop installation
[15:27] <aubre> well I am not planning to shrink my server file systems
[15:27] <aubre> clusty: so I don't think it will bother me too much
[15:28] <aubre> aubre: what I'd really like is for Oracle/Sun to give ZFS a linux-compatible license
[15:31] <clusty> aubre, i loved ZFS
[15:31] <clusty> dunno how fast it is, but is insanely easy to admin
[15:34] <zul> ttx: we said yes to bug #403599 right?
[15:35] <ttx> zul: looked alright to me, and you confirmed it. Some validation testing is in order, I guess
[15:38] <ScottK> WRT 341003, isn't a php crash a security feature?
[15:39] <zul> hmmm?
[15:39] <clusty> are the zone files in /var/cache/bind automatically generated?
[15:39] <ewook> it's a windows look-a-like feature.
[15:54] <incorrect> can i build a software raid10 set ?
[15:57] <BrixSat> hello
[15:58] <BrixSat> im root on my server but i cant remember mysql login
[15:58] <incorrect> just google for a mysql recovery
[15:58] <incorrect> you can easily do it
[15:58] <BrixSat> i have removed mysql and installed it but it does not ask for the password
[15:58] <incorrect> apt-get --purge remove mysql
[15:59] <incorrect> or you could try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 iirc
[15:59] <JoshL> mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables
[16:00] <JoshL> Then you can login as root with no password and manually change the user information in mysql.users
[16:03] <clusty> i got dynamic dns to work for all the windows machines on the LAN, but linux is still resilient :(
[16:04] <clusty> i configured send host-name "blahh";
[16:04] <clusty>  on all dhcp linux clients
[16:04] <clusty> what else can i do
[16:04] <clusty> grrr
[16:11] <teddymills> deleted the /var on a production server...restored the /var/www...and /var/logs...any reason to rebuild the server..or can i patch this up?
[16:12] <clusty> teddymills, depends what you had there
[16:12] <clusty> like /var/lib is where postgres has the database files
[16:20] <mathiaz> ttx: re bug 348990
[16:20] <mathiaz> ttx: did you check with lamont if it makes sense?
[16:20] <ttx> mathiaz: yes
[16:21] <ttx> mathiaz: no. I checked that it was needed for proper purging though
[16:22] <mathiaz> ttx: hm right.
[16:22] <mathiaz> ttx: I had a discussion about what should be done on purge for daemons
[16:22] <ttx> mathiaz: ah ?
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: with slangasek when I was reviewing stomp-server
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: deleting a user on purge wasn't suggested
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: just to make sure that the system uid is not reused
[16:23] <ttx> mathiaz: that's not what the patch does though.
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: agreed
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: I just so it in the patch
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: as far as /var/lib/postfix
[16:24] <mathiaz> ttx: the suggestion was that if there were files in /var/lib/package that weren't reproducable/recoverable it should never be deleted by the maintainer scripts
[16:25] <mathiaz> ttx: however it's a grey area
[16:25] <mathiaz> ttx: policy doesn't say anything about it
[16:25] <ttx> not sure the master.lock is really unrecoverable
[16:25] <mathiaz> ttx: right - master.lock should be removed
[16:25] <ttx> but it for sure prevents reinstall of a purged postfix
[16:25] <mathiaz> ttx: may be not with a rm -rf /var/lib/postfix
[16:26] <ttx> agreed.
[16:26] <mathiaz> ttx: as this could potentially deleted other things
[16:26] <ttx> mathiaz: could you bring this up to lamont ? I'm nearing the end of the day and I still have plenty of things to finalize.
[16:27] <mathiaz> ttx: sure - not urgent though
[16:29] <ttx> mathiaz: I plan to spend some time on basic first-user-experience / usability Eucalyptus bugs next week. Do you think you will have time to participate in that effort ?
[16:29] <mathiaz> ttx: I'll be in portland for ldapcon and linuxcon next week
[16:29] <ttx> arg.
[16:29] <mathiaz> ttx: so I doubt it.
[16:29] <ttx> ok.
[16:38] <zul> ttx: can you have a eucalyptus cluster with different arches ie one being i386 and the other amd64?
[16:38] <incorrect> i hope a RAID10 mdadm setup will improve disk performance for my vm's
[16:39] <ttx> zul: You mean nodes with different arches ? I don't know. nurmi or soren would know for sure.
[16:39] <zul> ttx: if yes then I could probably help
[16:40] <ttx> zul: ok, noted.
[16:42] <lamont> ttx: doesn't prevent reinstall of a purged postfix
[16:42] <lamont> mathiaz: ^^
[17:01] <clusty> pfff gave up setting dynamic DNS for localhost
[17:02] <clusty> wrote a zone file and that's that :(
[17:03] <incorrect> i should have used the server preseed file for my pxe install
[17:03] <incorrect> urg this server is going to need some apt-get --purge loving
[17:10] <bnjmn> if i try installing gcc on canonical's hardy image on ec2, it says i need to remove libc6-xen. what gives?
[17:35] <yonatan> hi how do I check that the following packages are installed on my system: binutils, glibc or libc6, libxml2, perl-doc, liburi-perl ?
[17:36] <SyL> yonatan: dpkg -l |grep package
[17:37] <SyL> if it has an ii on the left, it's installed
[17:37] <yonatan> cool thanks will try now
[17:37] <SyL> no problem
[17:38] <yonatan> dpkg -l | grep binutils doesn't return anything
[17:39] <SyL> can you try something that you know is installed?
[17:39] <blistov> What's being used these days, for a distributed, replicated, elastic file system?
[17:39] <yonatan> i just installed a clean system but added wget at the end
[17:39] <SyL> also you can just run "apt-get install binutils" and it will try to install it and if it's already installed it will say that
[17:40] <yonatan> it returns ii wget
[17:40] <SyL> ok, then they aren't installed
[17:40] <yonatan> ah
[17:40] <blistov> Looking into Eucalyptus, but it doesn't seem to have anything that does distribution, replication, and elastic growth.
[17:41] <SyL> yonatan: "apt-cache search package" will show you what could be installed by apt-get.
[17:41] <SyL> blistov: what do you mean by elastic file system?
[17:41] <SyL> crap, lunch, I'll be back later
[17:42] <yonatan> ok thanks SyL
[17:43] <blistov> SyL: IE: I have 5TB of data between 2 physical units.  Data is replicated and striped.  I need to increase capacity to 10TB by adding a few more physical units.
[17:43] <blistov> I don't want to have to build new partitions all over.
[17:59] <blistov> I'm really looking for a p2p fs, providing aggregate performance.
[18:01] <bnjmn> how can i get the kernel config for canonical's ec2 hardy image?
[18:04] <erichammond> bnjmn: I would not recommend Canonical's EC2 Hardy image at this point.  It was last published in April and has a number of serious bugs filed against it.  Most of these bugs have been fixed in revision control, but a new image may not be published for a while yet.
[18:18] <aubre> erichammond: I read your comments about XFS after I had used it on my Eucalyptus proof of concept system and I have to say I am so far impressed with it.
[18:22] <yonatan> i'm getting the following error message ""hiding the command line arguments : symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl/5.10/auto/Crypt/SSLeay/SSLeay.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr""
[18:47] <erichammond> aubre: I'm not a filesystems expert, but I started using XFS on EC2 and it's worked well for me.
[19:45] <Hypnoz> seeing a strange NIC issue. I have a server with 2 nic cards, each on a different subnet (10.1.10.xx and 10.1.11.xx). I start a ping to both interfaces, and disable the switch port that the .10 interface is going to, but it continues to ping. Then I disable the switch port that the .11 interface goes to, and they both stop pinging at the same time
[19:47] <Hypnoz> the /etc/network/interfaces is setup correctly, giving each server its own ip, and the mac addresses on the cards are different in "ifconfig"
[19:49] <incorrect> when netboot installing, what does 'basic server' install?
[20:09] <Keizer> Hey guys
[20:09] <Keizer> How can I see the IO taking place so I can identify what is locking up my server
[20:09] <Pici> Keizer: Install and run iotop?
[20:24] <mcupples> I'd like to see all the mail leaving my server.   But both are pushing traffic through the same cable. Anyone know how thats possible?
[20:45] <SyL> Hypnoz: it isn't, how do you know they are pushing through both IPs?
[20:46] <Hypnoz> if i disable the switch port for one of the nics, it keeps pinging
[20:46] <Hypnoz> and it's running at 100mbit instead of 1gig, same speed as the other port
[20:46] <Hypnoz> and if i disable the switch port for the 100mbit connection, both stop pinging at the same time
[20:47] <SyL> then I would imagine that you have 2 IPs on 1 NIC card.
[20:47] <SyL>  /sbin/ifconfig will show you. eth0 and eth1 will have tx and rx
[20:47] <zul> smoser: ^^^
[20:47] <Hypnoz> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:21:5e:4d:c7:41
[20:47] <Hypnoz>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:47] <Hypnoz>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[20:47] <Hypnoz>           RX packets:668438 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[20:47] <Hypnoz>           TX packets:389284 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           RX bytes:61820665 (58.9 MB)  TX bytes:50181250 (47.8 MB)
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           Interrupt:16
[20:48] <Hypnoz> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:21:5e:4d:c7:42
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           RX packets:1694179 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           TX packets:983370 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           RX bytes:2178889683 (2.0 GB)  TX bytes:102839047 (98.0 MB)
[20:48] <Hypnoz>           Interrupt:18
[20:48] <Hypnoz> shit
[20:48] <Hypnoz> sorry
[20:48] <Hypnoz> http://pastebin.com/d403b2ac9
[20:48] <Hypnoz> thought the link was in my clipboard
[20:48] <smoser> EtienneG, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?field.tags=uec-images
[20:49] <Hypnoz> both interfaces look good right. both have their own IP and mac
[20:50] <incorrect> i have 4 disks, i've set up a swap partition on each, a /boot RAID 1(x4) same for / and /var and a /srv as a raid10
[20:50] <EtienneG> AAAAaaaargh! filebug redirection
[20:51] <SyL> Hypnoz: can you do "route -n" for me and put it in a pastebin?
[20:51] <Hypnoz> http://pastebin.com/d6dec17b5
[20:52] <zul> have a good weekend
[20:52] <Hypnoz> the <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> is an openvpn static route
[20:52] <mathiaz> EtienneG: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect&field.tags=uec-images
[20:53] <EtienneG> mathiaz, that is so much better
[20:54] <Hypnoz> SyL, there is one weird thing, I have my default gateway set for the 11 interface in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:55] <Hypnoz> but still showing <IP_ADDRESS> in route -n
[20:55] <Hypnoz> err nevermind, its the default one at the bottom
[20:56] <SyL> Hypnoz: I don't know the full details, but I'm guessing the traffic is going out the vpn.
[20:56] <SyL> there are 2 ways you can test what's going on. unplug cables one at a time, or shut down the interfaces one at a time.
[20:57] <incorrect> this expert installer doesn't seem too stable
[21:28] <bnjmn> erichammond, which Ubuntu ec2 image would you use at this point?
[21:30] <erichammond> All of my production systems run on the Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy AMIs I publish on http://alestic.com (32- and 62-bit) though I sometimes use the 9.04 Jaunty as well.  As far as I know, these are probably the most popular two Ubuntu images out there at this time.
[21:31] <erichammond> I'm supporting the Canonical AMI development process with the goal of having those AMIs become the public standards.
[21:32] <bnjmn> cool. great, I will check those out. how might I also get the kernel source & config used on those so i can build my own kernel module?
[21:38] <incorrect> so, like mdadm RAID10 is a bad idea
[21:46] <qman__> why
[21:50] <bnjmn> erichammond, nevermind, i see your AMI is using one of amazon's kernels, so I know where to get the stuff i need. thanks
[21:51] <erichammond> bnjmn: http://alestic.com/2008/05/kernel-modules-2-6-21
[21:53] <erichammond> bnjmn: Yes, and you should be aware that using Amazon's kernel makes it not not completely "Ubuntu".  It's just the most reliable way I've found to run Ubuntu on EC2 at this time.  I believe better times are coming :)
[21:54] <erichammond> bnjmn: If you need to use XFS on 2.6.21, you'll need to pick up a special xfs.ko built by Amazon.  Ping me later if you can't find this.
[22:01] <bnjmn> erichammond, actually, i needed a newer squashfs of all things. i got it worked out now.
[22:01] <bnjmn> thanks
[22:04] <axisys> how do I make my ubunut server a print server ? i like to take print requests and send it over to the printer which is on different network
[22:05] <mathiaz> axisys: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/cups.html
[22:05] <mathiaz> axisys: this is for jaunty though.
[22:06] <axisys> mathiaz: that is what i am running
[22:07] <axisys> it does not explain how i can take a request from another server and send it over to a printer which is on a different network..
[22:07] <axisys> mathiaz: does it? may be i should read it again?
[22:32] <axisys> how do I send a print request from client <IP_ADDRESS> to a cupsd running on a remote machine <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[22:33] <incorrect> right, so RAID10 is a no go
[22:34] <incorrect> so what kernel should i use to run a kvm server?
[22:44] <EtienneG> am I correct in thinking that ec2-init in jaunty do not work when the instance is run on Eucalyptus?
[22:44] <axisys> looks like this is what i was looking for http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=511007&postcount=3
[23:01] <smoser> EtienneG, i dont know why hat would  be
[23:01] <EtienneG> smoser, I am filing a bug
[23:01] <EtienneG> hold on
[23:04] <EtienneG> smoser, if you care, it is bug #432773
[23:06] <swoody> is there a way to connect to a remote server, like with SSH, but be able to see/use the desktop on that server?
[23:07] <mushroomblue> swoody: FreeNX
[23:07] <mushroomblue> swoody: VNC can tunnel through SSH
[23:07] <mushroomblue> swoody: RDP can be used, as well.
[23:07] <swoody> ok, I'm going to point someone in here, if you guys can help him out with that? :)
[23:07] <mushroomblue> hah.
[23:08] <mushroomblue> sadly, my tech support shift is over now.
[23:08] <swoody> haha
[23:10] <johndoe14> ok was told by swoody to come ask for help in here
[23:10] <swoody> :)
[23:10] <johndoe14> I have a remote server with ubuntu desktop 9.04 and am wondering if i can access the gui on it via remote
[23:11] <mushroomblue> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[23:11] <mushroomblue> read that.
[23:11] <mushroomblue> that's by far the easiest solution.
[23:13] <johndoe14> k will try ty ill probaly beback :/
[23:13] <incorrect> kernel does not matter for kvm?
[23:33] <hokatichenci> I just installed server 9.04 but I can't get the static network configuration to work
[23:33] <hokatichenci> I edited /etc/network/interfaces as the documentation says, but "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and reboots do not bring the interface up
[23:33] <hokatichenci> However, "ifup eth0" works
[23:34] <blak111> do you have "auto lo eth0" in the /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:35] <cemc> what filesystem to use for a large number of small files, like /usr/src, lots of small source files and headers
[23:36] <hokatichenci> blak111 - danke :)
[23:36] <hokatichenci> I've found reiserfs to be good with large numbers of small files
[23:36] <hokatichenci> <4kb
[23:37] <johndoe14> im having problomes installing nx does someone have time to go to a msg box and help me walk thru the steps i am new to ubuntu
[23:37] <hokatichenci> linux is pretty good at storing a lot of metadata in cache so if you're doing repeated actions you'll see decent lookup performance
[23:47] <android60> I want to be able to access my computer via ssh over internet, but I am worried about security. a WOL udp port 9 and 777-> 22 for ssh are the only ports I have open on my router. any suggestions?
[23:48] <mathiaz> bdmurray: hey - any news on running my bug scripts on qa.ubuntu.com?
[23:49] <bdmurray> mathiaz: hey - yes I'm actually work on that right now! ;-)
[23:49] <mathiaz> bdmurray: \o/
[23:49] <mathiaz> bdmurray: let me know if you have any question
[23:50] <bdmurray> mathiaz: line 86 in acceptedbugs.py should be Distro Series I think
[23:51] <mathiaz> bdmurray: http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/buglists/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[23:51] <mathiaz> bdmurray: ^^ it's just one serie
[23:52] <mathiaz> bdmurray: or may be I'm confused by the spelling
[23:52] <bdmurray> mathiaz: okay, how about we call it Release ?
[23:52] <mathiaz> bdmurray: sure


[15:49] <blackgatocatnegr> I am going to install Edubuntu 12.04 on a laptop with windows seven, any advice?


[00:47] <wildboy211> Hi, my laptop no longer connects to the wifi, and all my wifi connections are gone, and it wont allow me to manually create a new one. I can connect to wifi on my phones and other PC's. Im on xubuntu 14.04
[00:47] <wildboy211> iwlist wlan0 reads: Failed to read scan data: Network is down.
[00:49] <wildboy211> If i try to do service networking reload i get "Job is not running: networking", and if i try to do service networking start, i get "Job is already running: networking"
[00:51] <pleia2> when I've seen that it's my wifi card going sideways and I've had to reboot
[00:52] <pleia2> happens on the netbook I got in 2008, I think it's just going bad :\
[00:53] <wildboy211_> ive tried rebooting a few times
[00:54] <wildboy211_> i cannot manually create any connections which is weird
[02:18] <xubuntu17i> hi
[04:13] <datacrata> hello people
[04:13] <xangua> and creatures of the night
[04:14] <datacrata> can anyone tell me is there anything in the repository that will help me get better graphics?
[04:14] <xangua> !details
[04:16] <datacrata> well i want a bit more color, most pages on my browser seem pale...I do not see anywhere in the desktop settings where to adjust color an dpi
[04:20] <datacrata> ok...no one available?
[04:23] <nikolam> hm
[06:29] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! my ubuntu desktop shown only one monitor resolution. howto add all other native resolutions?
[09:11] <itcha2> Oh bother! I just reinstalled Xubuntu, but I didn't format my hard drive. My pulseaudio is still broken, and I still can't login! :'( Please help me fix this crucial dilemma.
[09:28] <itcha2> Oh bother! I just reinstalled Xubuntu, but I didn't format my hard drive. My pulseaudio is still broken, and I still can't login! :'( Please help me fix this crucial problem.
[09:33] <knome> itcha2, how is pulseaudio broken? how can you not login?
[09:33] <knome> details please,
[10:01] <itcha2> pulseaudio won't start, and before, after I logged in, the login prompt would disappear and nothing would happen. since reinstalling Xubuntu, the login prompt just disappears for a second and then comes back. the pulseaudio issues have been happening for some time, but the login thing happened first when I started Xubuntu from grub on a USB.
[10:02] <knome> have you tried creating another user?
[10:03] <itcha2> I might try checking the ownership on my home folder
[10:03] <knome> just try creating another user first
[10:03] <itcha2> ok.
[10:03] <knome> if that fixes the issue, then you can move to debugging what's wrong with your user
[10:05] <itcha2> alright.
[16:00] <recon_lap> wonders if firefox will ever be fixed
[16:04] <vrkalak> recon_lap, try the FF Forums > http://forums.mozillazine.org/
[16:04] <recon_lap> vrkalak: can't get a bloody error message out of it, just crashes with no details
[16:05] <vrkalak> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=38&sid=cd0b1a80b7759ca722541c80ca961955
[16:05] <vrkalak> recon_lap, i don't use FF - sorry
[16:05] <recon_lap> and it's not just firefox, thunderbird has the same behavior, think it's the flash plugin
[16:06] <recon_lap> I've stopped using it to, but every time I bloody click on a link in IRC FF comes up by default :(
[16:07] <recon_lap> like the link you just posted, and FF immediately crashed
[16:58] <smerrlin> how can i change the keyboard layout in the login screen? The language setting in the top right corner does not work apparently
[17:08] <smerrlin> i found a solution for my problem "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" does the trick. Still it's pretty stupid that xubuntu ignores the keyboard setting selected in the login screen
[17:29] <recon_lap> looking into a system for web surfing for a blind person, anyone with knowledge on the subject got recommendations ?
[17:30] <bazhang> as in text to speech apps and so forth?
[17:31] <bynarie> anyone know why i would keep receiving a blank software update screen like so - https://bynarie.com/update.png
[17:31] <recon_lap> yes, but he's pretty blind and not a computer user. was hoping for something that was easy to use.
[17:32] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility
[17:32] <holstein> recon_lap: i had checked out vinux and other pre-builts in the past.. all the tools are in the repos, AFAIK
[17:32] <holstein> this would potentially be a prebuilt setup http://vinuxproject.org/ though, not officially ubuntu
[17:33] <bazhang> thats the ubuntu related one, there s a not supported here thing called 'vinux' no idea if its maintained or anything
[17:33] <recon_lap> just tried emacspeak , it seems to work, but it's got me confused and I can both see and am a computer nerd .
[17:33] <bazhang> jinx
[17:33] <bazhang> emacs and new users, not such a great mix
[17:34] <holstein> i would say, it would be a little work,but, one could look at a few pre-builts like vinux, and implent that into a stock ubuntu setup..
[17:35] <holstein> or, it may be beneficial, *if* there is a community around such a spinoff, for that user to be part of that community, for support.. specific to the work flow
[17:35] <recon_lap> thx, I'll give vinux a go, seems like what I'm after
[17:36] <recon_lap> holstein: as for porting to ubuntu, I'd probably just put the effort into improving vinux
[17:37] <holstein> oh sure. you can choose that route. just depends. im just pointing out, its not in the scope of support here, or any of the official ubuntu channels or avenues.. which, are typically large, and well traveled
[17:42] <recon_lap> maybe, I'll have to spend a bit of time trying out whats there. just have a gut feeling that a blind OS is just so different from the normal that it really should have it's own distro if it ever hopes to be really accessible for blind people.
[17:45] <bazhang> did you read the accessibility link given yet?
[17:45] <bazhang> its not hard at all
[17:54] <recon_lap> well, going to try a few liveUSBs and see whats what, thx for the links
[18:29] <Joito> Since no luck configuring LTPS in Xubuntu. Is there a way to copy user from one pc to another . I dont wish to write the same users in each pc:(
[18:30] <Joito> im I in the wrong chat?
[18:31] <recon_lap> Joito: no, this is xubuntu , maybe you just a bit impatient. this is IRC
[18:31] <Joito> ? not really yesterday i stayed all day and no answer
[18:31] <Joito> just benn honest
[18:32] <Joito> but cool
[18:35] <recon_lap> Joito: probably not a lot of xubuntu people used LTPS, have you tried asking in the main ubuntu channel, lot more people in there
[18:35] <Joito> yes
[19:44] <Voyage_> How to adjust volume in xubuntu and switch between different audio devices?
[19:52] <yoLo_> holstein:
[19:52] <yoLo_> :|
[19:55] <yoLo_> where site at the repository does xubuntu gets its python 2.7.9 packages ?
[19:55] <yoLo_> which site* ?
[20:09] <Voyage_> How to adjust volume in xubuntu and switch between different audio devices?
[20:44] <yoLo_> holstein:
[20:45] <yoLo_> pencilandpaper:  can i get a pastebin of the xubuntu 15.04 repository list /
[23:33] <yoLo_> seriously guys  i need the xubuntu repository source lists
[23:33] <yoLo_> anyone ?
[23:35] <holstein> yoLo_: its the ubuntu one
[23:35] <holstein> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[23:36] <Unit193> Ehh..
[23:37] <Unit193> All I can find is a sample for 12.04: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/sample/sources.list
[23:38] <knome> i wonder what happened before the sources list was lost.
[23:38] <holstein> or, how it was edited.. yoLo_, depending on what has happened, simply changing sources may not "fix" an issue you are having..
[23:39] <Unit193> There's also sometimes a backup file.
[23:40] <yoLo_> holstein: unfortunately i wasn't able to to use xubuntu for my project
[23:41] <holstein> im unclear why you need the xubuntu repo list then? the sources are the default ubuntu sources that all the official flavors use
[23:41] <yoLo_> 15.04 and Debian 8 developers have changed something in /dev that in doesn't suit my project
[23:42] <knome> and... how do you think using the (x)ubuntu repositories but not a (x)ubuntu install would help you to avoid that?
[23:42] <yoLo_> holstein: i need it to install python 2.7.9 and 3.4.3 without breaking my head in installing it manually
[23:42] <holstein> you will want to install it manually
[23:43] <yoLo_> knome i only require it to install he latest version of python for elementary linux
[23:43] <holstein> you dont want to add the ubuntu sources like that, to debian, or to an older version of ubuntu
[23:43] <holstein> elemetaryOS? they have a distro installer.. also, there should be simpler ppa's for python
[23:44] <yoLo_> holstein: their installations are outdated
[23:45] <knome> yoLo_, you will not get a package from the (x)ubuntu repositories that will "just work" with elementary os which is based on an older ubuntu release
[23:46] <knome> yoLo_, so to save your (and our) time, stop trying to do that
[23:46] <holstein> well, do it if you like, but, its not supported, and will surely break things..
[23:47] <holstein> its a rather bad idea..
[23:47] <knome> elementary os is not supported to begin with (at least on this channel), so...
[23:47] <yoLo_> knome: fine
[23:47] <knome> i don't think it's any easier than to build python manually tbh..
[23:47] <holstein> it would be much more constructive to start at the beginning of the story with what exactly you are trying to accomplish ,in general.. could be, someone has done what you are trying to do, and has a few options for you
[23:48] <yoLo_> i was going through simple instructions to build a device node for serial rfcomm


[18:58] <pleia2> jose: btw, asked pearson if they can ship out some ubuntu books for us to sign at fosscon (I have a bunch of friends in Philly, I'm sure one will accept the delivery so we don't need to fill up our luggage)
[18:59] <jose> pleia2: you can ship them to my hotel otherwise
[18:59] <pleia2> nhaines: now that it's closer in and I don't have to do timezone math, I can confirm that I'll be flying somewhere over Europe, and hopefully alseep, when the meeting happens
[18:59] <pleia2> jose: a lot of hotels have started charging for receiving packages, and I don't know when they'll arrive exactly
[19:00] <jose> pleia2: I checked with mine and it's cool. they can arrive anytime between now and conf time and they'll hold them for me
[19:00] <jose> but as you feel comfortable
[19:00] <jose> I'll be happy to sign them :)
[19:00] <pleia2> yay :D
[19:01] <pleia2> nhaines: now that it's closer in and I don't have to do timezone math, I can confirm that I'll be flying somewhere over Europe, and hopefully alseep, when the meeting happens
[19:01] <pleia2> derp
[19:01] <pleia2> laggy connetion :\
[19:10]  * pleia2 wanders off to first airplane


[16:35] <dym> Hey! Im looking to extend my homeserver (KVM Virtualisation host) to have VDR capabilities. Therefore i was planning a VM that connects to our home DVB-C cabling. Which adapter (PCIe, USB) would be recommended for such usage inside a VM?
[16:41] <Kwisher> would that be satellite tv?
[16:43] <dym> negative. -C for cable
[16:43] <Kwisher> ahh, i think you would be best to use a hd homereun prime network tuner
[16:44] <Kwisher> especially for a vm
[16:45] <dym> Havent heard of those
[16:45] <dym> how do they integrate with mythbuntu?
[16:45] <dym> looks like a set top box
[16:45] <Kwisher> http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/
[16:46] <Kwisher> very small device, about the size of a 8 port mini-switch
[16:47] <Kwisher> i use one for comcast with mythtv
[16:47] <dym> okay, im from .de
[16:47] <dym> not sure i even need a "cablecard"
[16:48] <Kwisher> not sure then for outside USA use
[16:50] <dym> box looks decent
[16:52] <dym> aw, no EU support :(
[16:53] <Kwisher> they also make a atsc model for antennae


[00:47] <Fudge> no alpha2 yet?
[00:53] <funkyHat> Fudge: no, not until Feb apparently. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[00:55] <Fudge> tks funkyHat
[00:55] <Fudge> i couldnt get the 64 alpha 1 to boot but 32 did
[00:55] <penguin42> Fudge: Did you report it?
[00:58] <Fudge> penguin42  yeah i discussed it in here but no one else I am aware of had the same issue
[00:59] <Daekdroom> Have you tried the daily build?
[00:59] <penguin42> Fudge: Ah but have you filed a LP bug report, and how exactly does it fail?
[01:02] <Fudge> penguin42  no i didnt, i did not know why it failed as i can not read the screen, so had not enough information to report
[01:03] <penguin42> Fudge: When you say you can't read it - you mean it is black/fuzzy/etc ?
[01:04] <Fudge> no mate i am blind
[01:04] <Fudge> well blind enough that i can not read anything on the screen
[01:05] <penguin42> Fudge: Oh ok, hmm I know there are blind kernel devs so there are setups to help
[01:05] <Fudge> you have had ssuccess with 64bit?
[01:06] <penguin42> Fudge: Yeh I've got two machines running 64bit here
[01:06] <penguin42> Fudge: Do you have a digital camera?
[01:07] <penguin42> If you can get a picture of a crash screen I'd be happy to try and interpret it
[01:08] <Fudge> thanx dude, I have a mate coming over later today, I will get him to read out errors. checksum is fine btw.
[01:09] <penguin42> What's the hardware out of interest?
[01:28] <Fudge> g31 intel core 2 duo e5200 i think
[01:29] <penguin42> hmm shouldn't be that odd
[01:30] <Fudge> agreed
[01:30] <Fudge> im burning now, i have another machine i can try it on, i had not tried that before
[01:36] <penguin42> but for me, time for bed
[01:42] <Fudge> night mate
[03:04] <cliffybx> bulldog98
[03:04] <cliffybx> hello
[03:04] <cliffybx> anybody here
[03:04] <Resistance> cliffybx:  probably, but patience is recommended ;P
[03:05] <Resistance> just because this channel doesnt seem active doesnt mean people arent checking it periodically :P
[03:05] <cliffybx> =) ok2..
[03:05] <cliffybx> i understand=)
[03:06] <cliffybx> Resistance > do u use ubuntu
[03:08] <Daekdroom> If you're trying to ask a question, go ahead.
[03:08] <Resistance> cliffybx:  yes i do, Ubuntu 11.04 with KDE interface ;P  but if you have a question ask away :P
[03:09] <Resistance> if you just want to chat, try #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus :)
[03:09] <cliffybx> i use ubuntu 11.10 ..but it has problem with bluetooth..how to fix it?
[03:09] <Resistance> cliffybx:  ask #ubuntu
[03:10] <Resistance> 11.10 isnt the ubuntu+1 release anymore :P
[03:10] <cliffybx> ask #ubuntu
[03:10] <cliffybx> join # ubuntu
[03:10] <Resistance> cliffybx:  /join #ubuntu
[03:10] <Resistance> without the space before the /
[03:11] <cliffybx> join#ubuntu
[03:11] <Resistance> ...
[03:11] <Resistance> cliffybx:  "/join #ubuntu"
[03:11] <Resistance> everything within the quotes, just like i typed it
[03:11] <cliffybx> join/#ubuntu
[03:11] <Resistance> just without the quotes
[03:11] <Resistance> holy god...
[03:11]  * Resistance walks away
[03:11] <Resistance> not due to you, due to power issues...
[03:12] <Resistance> ugh, 3rd time today that breaker's tripped...
[03:12] <Resistance> cliffybx:  the / comes at the beginning of the entire statement.
[03:12] <Resistance> also, there's a space between join and #ubuntu
[03:12] <Daekdroom> Resistance, he's joined #ubuntu already
[03:12] <tnk1> anyone know a good torrent channel around here?
[03:12] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  lagginess :P
[03:12] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  courtesy of the fact my power's tripped three times today
[03:12] <Resistance> :P
[03:13] <Resistance> tnk1:  "torrent channel"?
[03:17] <bjsnider> Resistance, he was pushing your buttons
[03:17] <Resistance> *shrugs*
[03:17] <bjsnider> he joined +1 but had no idea how to join any other channel
[03:19] <tnk1> i was just wondering - 'cause seems isohunt is censored these days
[03:20] <Resistance> tnk1:  well torrent discussion isnt on topic for the ubuntu channels, and im' not sure whether you'll find any torrents discussion channel on freenode
[03:20] <Resistance> tnk1:  and they started censoring when the feds went after em a few years ago :P
[03:20] <Resistance> (in the US)
[03:23] <tnk1> hm. ok, better question.. anyone know how to use firefox with vidalia in the new ubuntu 11.10, which i updated to?
[03:23] <tnk1> apparently the vidalia icon in the status bar disappeared
[03:24] <micahg> tnk1: try View -> toolbars -> addon bar
[03:24] <micahg> tnk1: and 11.10 support is in #ubuntu
[03:25] <tnk1> micahg, i tried.. no go
[12:38] <penguin42> yofel: Morning Yofel - do you use multiple tabs on konsole? If so have you found that the ctrl-ageup/down has stopped working to switch?
[12:39] <yofel> usually I use yakuake+byobu, but in Konsole I can switch tabs with shift+left/right here
[12:40] <penguin42> hmm yes, that does work
[12:40] <penguin42> I wonder - was it a config I'd changed to make it match gnome-terminal that's disappeared?
[12:42] <penguin42> right, well added as alternate keystroke - heck I like that system
[12:45] <yofel> ^^
[12:45] <yofel> not sure if that changed, in yakuake shift+left/right has been the shortcut since ever, but I would assume the same thing to be true for konsole
[12:47] <penguin42> nod; I suspect sometime in the past I added as an alternate and it lost it in the last few days for some reason
[14:37] <bjsnider> !find /usr/lib/libltdl.la
[14:40] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[15:08] <samorian> any idea if the disk image for 12.04 is ever going to be shrunk down to be able to fit on a regular cd?
[15:09] <Ian_Corne> it should not
[15:09] <samorian> so it there is no plan to shrink it down?
[15:19] <Ian_Corne> no
[15:20] <samorian> that is too bad..
[16:34] <Daekdroom> !daily
[17:41] <iceroot> i dont see a reason to use cds anymore, isos and usb-sticks are fine
[17:41] <iceroot> also the minimal image does fit very well on a cd
[17:41] <penguin42> iceroot: Occasionally find a machine that won't USB boot
[17:41] <iceroot> penguin42: its harder to find a machine with cd-drive :)
[17:42]  * penguin42 does have a couple still
[17:42] <iceroot> all my netbooks and intel atom movie-pcs dont have a cd-drive :) but i see what you mean
[17:42] <iceroot> but because the minimal/alternate are fitting well on a cd i dont see a reason to shrink down the normal iso
[17:43] <penguin42> yeh if minimal/alternate are there that's fine
[17:43] <iceroot> time to put vim and gimp back in a normal installation :)
[17:43] <penguin42> isn't vim in default?!!!!
[17:43] <iceroot> and aptitude
[17:43] <iceroot> no
[17:43] <iceroot> just vim.tiny which is vi
[17:43] <penguin42> meh, that's fine - real men don't need modern comforts like arrow keys
[17:44] <iceroot> .....
[17:44] <iceroot> arent there more differences then just the keyboard-thing?
[17:45] <iceroot>        There are a lot of enhancements above Vi: multi level undo, multi windows and buffers,  syn‐
[17:45] <iceroot>        tax highlighting, command line editing, filename completion, on-line help, visual selection,
[17:45] <iceroot>        etc..  See ":help vi_diff.txt" for a summary of the differences between Vim and Vi.
[17:45] <iceroot> buffers are a must-have
[17:45] <iceroot> synhighlight of course too :)
[17:47] <penguin42> iceroot: Nod, it's just I started on vi ~23 years ago on a bad serial terminal, so while I like a bit of syntax highlighting, I've never really got used to the other vim features
[17:47] <iceroot> penguin42: even not visual-mode?
[17:48] <penguin42> haha, no I said vi not ex!
[17:48] <penguin42> although I can almost cope in open mode
[17:48] <iceroot> imo visual-mode = copy&paste
[17:49] <penguin42> oh, visual mode - sorry, I thought you meant something else
[17:49] <penguin42> no, never used that
[17:49] <iceroot> hm, ok
[17:49] <penguin42> iceroot: I know all the place marks with ` and fast forward backward searches with FfTt and can do most yanks that wa
[17:49] <penguin42> y
[17:50] <penguin42> iceroot: To be fair I should learn them
[17:50] <iceroot> penguin42: i like "vimtutor" very much
[17:50] <iceroot> but its teaching the vi-controls instead of the vim-controls
[17:50] <iceroot> but its a nice interactive manpage
[17:51] <penguin42> I just know as soon as I get into it someone will ask me to use an old box again
[17:51] <iceroot> :)
[17:51] <iceroot> luckily i dont have to fight with tty-systems
[17:51] <iceroot> always ssh or lxterminal directly
[17:52] <iceroot> and the first command is always "sudo apt-get install zsh vim" to have a usable system
[17:53] <Ian_Corne> vim for me
[17:53] <Ian_Corne> noy zsh
[17:53] <iceroot>  /flamemode  its said that you have to install 3 additional packages on ubuntu to have a good system vim,zsh and lubuntu-desktop
[17:54] <iceroot> sad
[17:55] <jtaylor> vim will be on the dvd now
[17:55] <iceroot> Ian_Corne: have a look at zsh, it has very nice features for a interactive-shell. tab is your very best friend
[17:55] <Ian_Corne> tried it
[17:55] <iceroot> jtaylor: any plans to put it on the regular cd too?
[17:55] <iceroot> the same for gimp
[17:55] <jtaylor> vim-tiny maybe but not all
[17:55] <Ian_Corne> and i'm used to unity+compiz now
[17:55] <iceroot> jtaylor: yeah that is the default now and vim.tiny == vi
[17:56] <jtaylor> isn't vim tiny vim without all the extras like source highlight and colorschemes?
[17:56] <iceroot> jtaylor: which is vi
[17:56] <iceroot> jtaylor: vim.tiny = controls without arrows
[17:57] <iceroot> imo vim.tiny is an alias for vi
[17:57] <iceroot> or symlink
[17:57] <jtaylor> I saw no plans to add regular vim to cd
[17:57] <iceroot> jtaylor: put the plan is to shrink it down to 700mb?
[17:58] <iceroot> if not i dont see a reason to not put vim as default
[17:59] <jtaylor> no idea, but vim is quite large
[17:59] <penguin42> and I think it has quite a few dependencies
[17:59] <iceroot> the same as vim.tiny i guess
[18:00] <iceroot> ah ok there are more
[18:00] <iceroot> vim-syntax-go - Syntax files to highlight Go in the Vim editor
[18:00] <iceroot> vim-addon-manager - manager of addons for the Vim editor
[18:00] <jtaylor> 8mb vs 500kb
[18:00] <iceroot> jtaylor: that is not a big deal
[18:00] <jtaylor> thats significant
[18:00] <iceroot> if the size doesnt matter
[18:00] <iceroot> on the iso
[18:00] <jtaylor> its still limited to 750mb
[18:01] <iceroot> 750?
[18:01] <jtaylor> the dvd is larger and that gets vim
[18:01] <penguin42> 8mb?! For vi!
[18:01] <iceroot> penguin42: vim! :)
[18:01] <penguin42> heck, if we're not careful it'll outgrow emacs
[18:03] <iceroot> emacs needs 30MB just to save all the shortcuts...
[19:50] <FernandoMiguel> good evening
[19:50] <FernandoMiguel> unity panel seems to be crashing here
[21:13] <airtonix> man i love gedit
[21:22] <bjsnider> gedit loves you too
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> also, Joe
[21:51] <Ian_Corne> i'm more for geany airtonix
[23:17] <Fudge> penguin42  hey
[23:19] <Fudge> yesterday as we talked about i booted that amd64 alpha 1 on another pc here and it worked fine, still have not tried on this one yet again since had no eyes, but appears it may just be me :D
[23:46] <penguin42> hi Fudge
[23:47] <penguin42> Fudge: It's never just you - it might be something about your PC, someone else is bound to hit it
[23:48] <Fudge> I will stay on it then penguin42