[10:20] <Flare183> trdracer:> yeah me too any day. Windows is a bad omen in the linux world
[10:20] <trdracer> Flare183: can i pm you these errors i get?
[10:20] <Flare183> yeah join #shstech
[10:20] <macd> SoulCarrier, well, to get hardware acceleration for your video (needed for all the nifty compiz stuff) you really want to install
[10:20] <macd> dogg, of course not ;)
[10:20] <dogg> hehe
[10:20] <SoulCarrier> ok ty macd
[10:21] <dogg> its nice to see that people boycott windows
[10:21] <dogg> it is a goof thing
[10:21] <dogg> *good
[10:21] <oliver_g_> *freud is calling*
[10:21] <oliver_g_> :-)
[10:22] <doktoreas> is there a wayt for limit the memory used by apache?
[10:22] <dogg> does anyone know the release date of gusty gibbon?
[10:22] <oliver_g_> dogg: 18. oct of course!
[10:22] <oliver_g_> duh ;-)
[10:22] <dogg> ah ok
[10:22] <jussi01> !release
[10:22] <erUSUL> dogg: have you checked www.ubuntu.com??
[10:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:22] <skynexus_> _Andrew: sure, but I think it would be even better with a dialogue that popped up and said "Hello, it looks like you just connected webcam XX, you need to install YY before you can use it - would you like to install YY now?"
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[10:22] <dgjones> !ops
[10:22] <ubotu> USE !OPS ONLY IN EMERGENCIES! - Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[10:22] <erUSUL> !ops
[10:22] <macd> doktoreas, you can tune the apache server, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html
[10:22] <_Andrew> too late
[10:23] <Andeh> Hello
[10:23] <_Andrew> Hi
[10:23] <oliver_g_> skynexus_: that would be a nice feature, yes
[10:23] <Andeh> I just installed ubuntu
[10:23] <Andeh> I am not new to this
[10:23] <oliver_g_> skynexus_: maybe file a bug report for this?
[10:23] <Andeh> I built a dual core PC and installed windows (gasp) and now I installed ubuntu on it
[10:23] <Andeh> And ubuntu boots up
[10:23] <_Andrew> skynexus_: TBH it would be better if it just automatically happened
[10:23] <dogg> erUSUL: ah right, big logo on ubuntu.com pagr "8 days to go"!
[10:23] <Andeh> Oh never mind
[10:24] <Andeh> X wasn't loading for like 2 minutes
[10:24] <Lakitu7> Hello. After trying to use the Main Menu editor in Gnome, Gnome seems to have broken. Selecting ANYTHING from the menu results in "could not launch menu item"
[10:24] <Andeh> it did though
[10:24] <Andeh> ;D thanks
[10:24] <L0GAN> oh well, i dont seem to have any permissions on live to make ubuntu on an usb disk
[10:24] <L0GAN> well im back to windows
[10:24] <Andeh> One thing though. My ADSL modem only has one ethernet output cable.
[10:24] <Andeh> I'll buy a router soon
[10:25] <oliver_g_> L0GAN: from my experience it's somewhat difficult to make a bootable usb stick; and doing this from live cd might be even more work
[10:25] <Andeh> but for now, i'm stuck with only one internet at a time
[10:25] <Andeh> oliver_g_: lol he left
[10:25] <Bo^Dick> hi
[10:25] <oliver_g_> Andeh: yeah I type too slowly or people are just too hasty ;-)
[10:25] <erUSUL> doktoreas: check /etc/security/limits.conf  maybe you can tweak something there
[10:25] <Bo^Dick> why does xwindows crash on the low latency kernel?
[10:26] <Andeh> hehe
[10:26] <Andeh> Another reason I love linux
[10:26] <Andeh> I just installed on another machine, all I need to do now is copy over my home folder.
[10:26] <Andeh> And my lovely 500 GB hard disk will come in handy
[10:26] <Andeh> external, and only 100 euro
[10:26] <Andeh> ;D
[10:26] <Andeh> really fast too
[10:26] <Andeh> lol
[10:27] <Bo^Dick> Andeh: have you ever tried the low latency kernel?
[10:28] <hoa3r> oops wohl den slash vegessen
[10:28] <Andeh> Bo^Dick: Nope ;D
[10:28] <_Andrew> skynexus_: I'm going to get something to eat, i'll talk to you later
[10:28] <Andeh> I did try some quirky patched kernel for speed
[10:29] <Acoustyk> How do I make shortcuts in Ubuntu?
[10:29] <runemaste644> I have a Gutsy virtual machine, but the VBox guest additions messed it up
[10:29] <Acoustyk> im trying to make one on my desktop for my documents folder on my ntfs partition
[10:29] <marko-_-> why the printer on ubuntu won't work
[10:29] <hoa3r> achso
[10:29] <marko-_-> that is the printer
[10:29] <marko-_-> HP
[10:29] <marko-_-> deskjet 840c
[10:29] <marko-_-> please help
[10:29] <hoa3r> kennen nur mit alt
[10:29] <marko-_-> it's a emergency
[10:29] <marko-_-> :s
[10:29] <runemaste644> Ive got an emergency too
[10:30] <marko-_-> well
[10:30] <Bo^Dick> are the low latency kernel only supported by 64-bit ubuntu?
[10:30] <judgen> Anyone has experiences with wubi?
[10:30] <judgen> !wubi
[10:30] <marko-_-> we have a test tomorow and i don't know nothing and the teacher hates me and i must print someting to help me by my test
[10:30] <ubotu> wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[10:30] <marko-_-> :>
[10:31] <BillyBeans> how do i find out my usergroup?
[10:31] <Andeh> marko-_-: LOL. Same here. Except for the printing part. And the teacher hating me.
[10:31] <Bo^Dick> i'm running 32-bit ubuntu
[10:31] <Bo^Dick> feisty
[10:31] <erUSUL> BillyBeans: System>Admin>User and groups
[10:31] <psyferre> arrrg.  Anyone have any idea why a usb mouse would just stop working suddenly?  It seems to be an infrequent problem from my googling, but i can't find any "fixes"
[10:31] <Bo^Dick> when i try to boot with the low latency kernel xwindows crashes
[10:32] <bsund> hehe it's funny that when you put a ubuntu cd in windows it says "try out those cool programs for windows!" ^^
[10:32] <erUSUL> Bo^Dick: you should report it as a bug
[10:32] <psyferre> dmesg shows it being disconnected and a new one plugged in
[10:32] <erUSUL> !bugs | Bo^Dick
[10:32] <silent__> hey guys, my sound on my Audigy is not working. I have tried installing the latest alsa drivers to no avail.
[10:32] <Bo^Dick> erUSUL: have you ever used the low latency kernel?
[10:32] <ubotu> Bo^Dick: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:33] <Bo^Dick> silent__: what card do you have?
[10:33] <Andeh> MAN ANGRY
[10:33] <erUSUL> Bo^Dick: nope i use my own self compiled kernels... (they are "lowlatency"...)
[10:33] <Andeh> Ding Dong
[10:33] <Andeh> Linux!
[10:33] <marko-_-> thank god
[10:33] <Andeh> err, gusty.
[10:33] <marko-_-> i got it
[10:33] <silent__> Bo^Dick: Sound blaster audigy
[10:33] <marko-_-> anyway
[10:33] <marko-_-> thanks:>
[10:33] <Andeh> ;D
[10:33] <yaser> oliver_g_, a guy from fuse solved the problem with fusermount -zu /media/medea7
[10:33] <frojnd> !wireless
[10:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:33] <DM|> Is there anyway to force swapping to occur
[10:33] <Bo^Dick> erUSUL: why aren't the precompiled ones low latency?
[10:33] <Andeh> Question: I need to copy my home folder to external hard drive. When I do this, it tells me "Permission denied". What?
[10:33] <Andeh> should I sudo it?
[10:33] <silent__> Andeh, yes
[10:34] <pierre__> hi
[10:34] <Bo^Dick> silent__: i've got a soundblaster audigy 2 zs myself
[10:34] <erUSUL> Bo^Dick: there is a precompiled that is lowlatency is what you are using, isn't it?
[10:34] <Andeh> ok
[10:34] <Bo^Dick> erUSUL: i installed in from synaptic
[10:34] <Andeh> lol perfect
[10:34] <silent__> Bo^Dick: How did you get yours working? It's detected, the drivers are installed, everything is unmuted, no sound
[10:34] <oliver_g_> yaser: cool, good to know!
[10:34] <DM|> erUSUL hey question, what kernel would u suggest for a dual cpu p3 450mhz x2?
[10:34] <BillyBeans> has anyone in hear setup Courrier imap, and will answer my question???
[10:35] <Andeh> But how come i don't have permission to backup my home folder without sudo-ing?
[10:35] <erUSUL> DM|: generic
[10:35] <Bo^Dick> silent__: it worked but with a poor audio quality
[10:35] <silent__> Andeh: do you have write permissions whereever you're copying to?
[10:35] <DM|> erusul really? isnt there one for older pcs
[10:35] <Bo^Dick> silent__: i've tweaked with the alsa.conf file
[10:35] <pierre__> someone know for what my laptop he start ubuntu just if the ac is not connected
[10:35] <Andeh> silent__: Yes.
[10:35] <silent__> Bo^Dick: I'm using default settings
[10:35] <erUSUL> DM|: if its pIII the generic is fine
[10:36] <skynexus_> _Andrew: ok, I'll talk to you later, will be online, perhaps playing openarena soon :-)
[10:36] <DM|> erusul generic is what i use for my dual CORE laptop ( 2006) I would use the same for a 1997 cpu
[10:36] <silent__> Bo^Dick: I have onboard, but audigy is so much better
[10:36] <Andeh> silent__: It works when I sudo it. it's my external hdd.
[10:36] <fuzzyhair> How can I tell what kind of processor I have(386,686,etc)?
[10:36] <CharlieSu> any good IDE's for C/C++ come w/ ubuntu
[10:36] <magicrobotmonkey> does anyone know how to control fan speed off the livecd?
[10:36] <Bo^Dick> silent__: same situation here
[10:36] <silent__> Andeh, where is your external mounted?
[10:36] <Bo^Dick> silent__: my doesn't work well
[10:36] <kane77> heh.. which battery indicator should I trust - the applet the one in systray or powertop? I get 3 different times that differ greatly... :)
[10:36] <Bo^Dick> silent__: i can't record audio
[10:36] <Andeh> silent__: /media/LACIE
[10:36] <silent__> Bo^Dick: I've heard lots of people have more success with kde
[10:37] <oliver_g_> Andeh: what filesystem is on the external disk?
[10:37] <silent__> Andeh, ls -l that dir
[10:37] <Andeh> NTFS
[10:37] <Bo^Dick> silent__: do you mean for sound?
[10:37] <erUSUL> DM|: you can try the 386 one... not sure if it supports smp though
[10:37] <Andeh> silent__: The dir i'm copying or the one I'm copying stuff TO?
[10:37] <BillyBeans> "has anyone in hear setup Courier imap ?"
[10:37] <silent__> Andeh: the one copying to
[10:37] <Andeh> ah
[10:37] <silent__> Bo^Dick: yes
[10:38] <Andeh> silent__: I'm not going to show you the contents, lol.
[10:38] <BillyBeans> "has anyone in hear setup Courier imap ?"
[10:38] <Flare183> wow the bot actully join the irc
[10:38] <silent__> Andeh, not the contents, permission
[10:38] <DM|> erUsul ok ill check it out thanks
[10:38] <Andeh> silent__: Either way, there's no file or directory with that name :/
[10:38] <Bo^Dick> silent__: why would the windows manager affect sound
[10:38] <Andeh> i'm copying to empty folder
[10:39] <erUSUL> DM|: no problem
[10:39] <Flare183> charliesu:> eclipse
[10:39] <oliver_g_> BillyBeans: maybe there's really noone here who has set up Courier :-)
[10:39] <Andeh> silent__: Permissions of /media/LACIE?
[10:39] <silent__> Andeh, yes
[10:39] <DM|> erUSUL one more question, how can i tell if ubuntu is detecting and using both cpus on this old POS?
[10:39] <BillyBeans> oliver_G_ : i just need some help with courier imap
[10:39] <oliver_g_> Andeh: what does "ls -la /media/LACIE" say?
[10:39] <erUSUL> DM|: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:39] <silent__> Bo^Dick: apparently its applets for sound controls have different options
[10:39] <jimmygoon> I need to copy the contents of one HD to another HD, what is the best method
[10:39] <Andeh> drwx------ 11 andy root 32768 2007-10-10 22:34 LACIE
[10:40] <silent__> jimmygoon: cp
[10:40] <erUSUL> DM|: or dmesg | less and check if it detects and brings up both cpus
[10:40] <BillyBeans> it says i need to know my usergroup and how do i find out my usergroup from the terminal?
[10:40] <jimmygoon> silent__, :( ok
[10:40] <oliver_g_> BillyBeans: yes I just wanted to hint that maybe you have a too exotic problem for this channel?
[10:40] <riotkittie> why the :(  jimmygoon ?
[10:40] <oliver_g_> BillyBeans: oh... in terminal, type "id" to get some info about your user and the groups
[10:40] <jimmygoon> riotkittie, ntfs
[10:40] <riotkittie> oooh.
[10:40] <silent__> Andeh: are you copying /home or /home/user
[10:41] <Kworth> Hello I installed an USB soundcard and it is one that should work with ubuntu because the input device on my inboardcard doesnt work right, but still it uses the old card for output now, is there an nice gui tool to configure enable + disable sound cards?
[10:41] <jimmygoon> riotkittie, its okay, gutsy has the ntfs-3g by default right?
[10:41] <silent__> Kworth, asoundcard
[10:41] <silent__> Kworth: or something like that
[10:41] <Pelo> Kworth, check in your bios if you can'T disable your onboard audio from there
[10:41] <silent__> Kworth: cli though
[10:41] <DM|> erUSUL it brings up so much stuff i cant scroll all the way up
[10:42] <kling0n> can someone suggest a way to reload snd_via82xx without a reboot ?
[10:42] <oliver_g_> Kworth: there's some tool under System -> Settings which is for setting up multimedia stuff
[10:42] <erUSUL> DM|: then use the 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[10:42] <Pelo> kling0n,  snd....  restart
[10:42] <Bo^Dick> what worries me is that the low latency kernel in the synaptic package manager states that it's for the 64-bit linux version
[10:42] <Bo^Dick> i'm running the 32-bit ubuntu
[10:42] <MikeonTV> ahhh I upgraded Fiesty and now it doesn't recognize my audio device
[10:42] <Flare183> can anyone tell me why localhost on my machine says permission denied
[10:43] <Pelo> !sound | MikeonTV
[10:43] <silent__> Andeh: ??
[10:43] <Kworth> i will try the bios disable , might be back soon, thanks bye
[10:43] <jimmygoon> what do you mean "localhost"... you mean http://localhost/ ?
[10:43] <riotkittie> jimmygoon: yes, it does.
[10:43] <jimmygoon> riotkittie, good deal, I will use that then!
[10:43] <ubotu> MikeonTV: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:43] <jimmygoon> mkfs.ntfs?
[10:44] <jimmygoon> noooo :( gparted should work though
[10:44] <MikeonTV> sound
[10:44] <coda1229> !wifi
[10:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:45] <Flare183> jimmygoon:> yeah well really I am trying to get hotway to work and it works (I guess) and when I tell thunderbird(or kontact) to get mail it says permission denied; and more than that the telnet says the same thing
[10:45] <Pelo> MikeonTV,  it's  !sound it's the bot trigger for the info you got right after
[10:45] <DM|> erUsul hmm only picking up 1  if im reading that correcyl
[10:46] <Andeh> silent_: I'm copying from inside /home/user/ (selected all files)
[10:46] <Bo^Dick> mention situations where one wants the low latency kernel and situations where one does not want it
[10:46] <Andeh> silent_: I was gone sorry :P
[10:46] <erUSUL> DM|: you should see a processor: 0 and and a processor: 1
[10:46] <pierre__> someone know for what my laptop he start ubuntu just if the ac is not connected
[10:46] <Pelo> erUSUL,  dual core ?
[10:46] <valehru_> Is there a way to get mod_proxy_balancer installed if I already have apache2 installed from the feisty repos?
[10:47] <DM|> erUSUL nope only one..
[10:47] <DM|> pelo dual CPU, its an older machine
[10:47] <erUSUL> Pelo: it is and old pIII smp if i understand correctly
[10:47] <Pelo> pierre__,  someone mentionned this before if I recall, check in the forum   www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:47] <jimmygoon> Flare183, sorry, I don't even know what that is
[10:47] <joao__> hello
[10:47] <Flare183> ok then..
[10:47] <erUSUL> DM|: with the i386 kernel? as i suspected it does not support smp
[10:47] <Pelo> !hi | joao__
[10:47] <ubotu> joao__: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[10:47] <erUSUL> DM|: use the generic one
[10:48] <paolo_> hi, is it true that build-essential pkgs are not part of ubuntu 7 while they were present in the previous version?
[10:48] <DM|> erUsul ok ill install that, thanks man
[10:48] <erUSUL> DM|: no problem
[10:48] <DM|> erUsul if u were a girl id marry u
[10:48] <joao__> im trying to install ies4linux but I get an error, can anyone please help me?? it says: Your wine does not have wineprefixcreate installed. Maybe you are running an old Wine version. Try to update it to the latest version.
[10:48] <Pelo> paolo_,  they are not part of the default install, just type sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:48] <Flare183> can anyone help me
[10:48] <joao__> I installed wine through apt-get and it is versio.46
[10:48] <KoweSix> how to prevent an error called: mount point /xy does not exist, when i want to mount an encrypted container file via truecrypt? Oo
[10:48] <Pelo> joao__,  try asking about this in #winehq
[10:49] <pierre__> pelo i check in forum and i don't see good tread for my problem
[10:49] <erUSUL> DM|: a man XD better luck the next time ;P
[10:49] <Flare183> Pici:> do you know what I can talking about?
[10:49] <Bo^Dick> can i adjust some settings in the kernel w/o recompile it?
[10:49] <anoncow> hey has anyone in here had graphics issues with a Radeon Mobile 345M and Gutsy?  I'm getting a really bad case of graphics problems
[10:49] <joao__> Pelo: ok, I thought that since I was on feisty it would be a distro related problem
[10:49] <frojnd> how can I install knetowork manager ?? here shows a list of packages that relates knetworkmanager http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=knetworkmanager&version=edgy&arch=i386&page=1&number=50
[10:49] <magicrobotmonkey> does anyone know how to change the fan speed? i thought i could edit /proc/acpi/fan something but the dir is empty
[10:49] <DM|> erUSUL *cry*  :P
[10:49] <gnomefreak> anoncow: join #ubuntu+1 for gutsy
[10:50] <cwillu> I'm having keyboard shortcut difficulties
[10:50] <Flare183> another op >> gnomefreak
[10:50] <anoncow> gnomefreak: thanks
[10:50] <Pelo> joao__,  could be but I don't think it is ,the ppl in #winehq can probably tell you for sure and they are more likely to know the fix
[10:50] <gnomefreak> Flare183: ?
[10:50] <erUSUL> DM|: :D
[10:50] <Flare183> gnomefreak:> is Pici here?
[10:50] <cwillu> I turned on the 'set keyboard shortcuts directly' option (forget what it was called exactly), and it works, but they all get forgotten after I close and reopen the program
[10:50] <cwillu> anybody know what I'm doing wrong?
[10:51] <Pelo> Flare183, just check the member list
[10:51] <Flare183> ok
[10:51] <gnomefreak> dont know. what difference does it make who are ops? this is a support channel only please lets keep it that way. join #ubuntu-offtopic to talk outside of support
[10:51] <Flare183> ok
[10:51] <Scunizi> Feisty recognizes both my webcams (Philips & Creative), however if one is unplugged on boot it won't recognize it.  How do I get Feisty to recognize the cam if I plug it in after booting?
[10:51] <Shapeshifter> I would like certain commands to be run just before suspend or shutdown. where do I have to put them?
[10:52] <Flare183> shapeshifter:> on the terminal
[10:52] <henri_> hey guys, feisty randomly locks up on my quad core, 4gb ram system - i'll be plodding along fine then sound will fail (start looping repeatedly over the same 1 second period) then the mouse/keyboard will stop working - where do i start debugging? no obvious error msgs
[10:52] <DM|> erusul haha its a dapper machine, can i just install the smp kernel since generic isnt an option ?
[10:52] <Elite> Hmmm i'm still having problems with my Widescreen external monitor >_<
[10:52] <erUSUL> DM|: sure
[10:52] <Pelo> Flare183,  jsut ask your question and don'T feel ignored if you don'T get an asnwer right away,  just ask again later
[10:52] <Flare183> i know
[10:52] <cwillu> Shapeshifter: I think there's a folder /etc/acpi.d/events or something like that
[10:52] <Bo^Dick> many people say they recompile their kernels
[10:52] <Bo^Dick> is that necessary in order to adjust some settings?
[10:52] <Shapeshifter> cwillu: k thx, Ill have a look
[10:53] <Flare183> shapeshifter:> to shutdown use halt or shutdown and to restart use reboot
[10:53] <Flare183> another reboot command is shutdown -r
[10:53] <cwillu> Bo^Dick: for most people, no
[10:53] <erUSUL> Bo^Dick: i do not think of myself as "many people" just two or two and a half XD
[10:53] <cwillu> Bo^Dick: what are you trying to do?
[10:53] <miles8> Will ssh get confused with keys if you connect to two different ssh servers with the same ip? (different ports)
[10:53] <Pelo> Bo^Dick,  you shouldn't need to recompile the kernel unless it is mentionned in a howto you are following,  of if you realy knowwhat you are doing
[10:53] <Shapeshifter> Flare183: I'd like the commands to be run EVERy shutdown or suspend. I know how to use a terminal ;) but I want them to be run when I press the suspend/shutdown button
[10:53] <Draggin> Oh wow... This is awesome... I'm chatting through GAIM! I didn't even know that was possible!
[10:53] <cox377> does anyone know the command to correct the server time?
[10:53] <oliver_g_> miles8: unfortunately it seems to get confused :-/
[10:53] <Flare183> shapeshifter:> thats kernel
[10:54] <Flare183> shapeshifter:> thats kernel workings
[10:54] <cwillu> Shapeshifter: any tutorial on getting suspend working on a laptop will tell you where to put things :p
[10:54] <Pelo> Draggin,  just because you can doesn't mean you should
[10:54] <erUSUL> cox377: man date and man ntpdate
[10:54] <Flare183> excuse me
[10:54] <cwillu> there's a couple dozen places, but I think the events thing I mentioned is the recommended place
[10:54] <Shapeshifter> Flare183: not really ^^
[10:54] <oliver_g_> miles8: I have such a problem myself (connecting to a router which offers ssh login to two machines on different ports)
[10:54] <Draggin> Pelo - is there a problem with that here?
[10:54] <genii> Draggin: Yes, GAIM/Pidgen is very versatile :)
[10:54] <Scunizi> Draggin, you should try irssi sometime for a totally different effect.. it's for the terminal and helpful when you can't get into the gui an need assistance.
[10:54] <Lycos> hello :)
[10:54] <d90> does anyone know real location of application/wine folder, I have to delete some shortcuts, but no one answers on winehq irc ... :(
[10:54] <cwillu> Flare183: there's a whole bunch of usermode stuff
[10:54] <Shapeshifter> cwillu, I found it, thx
[10:54] <cwillu> Shapeshifter: sweet
[10:54] <miles8> oliver_g_: that is what I am trying to do, any work around?
[10:54] <Flare183> wow
[10:54] <henri_> cox377: ntpdate -s ?
[10:54] <henri_> something like that
[10:54] <henri_> man ntpdate
[10:54] <cwillu> d90: depends on how you installed it
[10:55] <Pelo> Draggin,   I jjust think using a instant msg prog to chat is blasphemes
[10:55] <cwillu> d90: ~/.wine usually
[10:55] <henri_> d90: somewhere in $HOME/.wine?
[10:55] <oliver_g_> Pelo: gaim (pidgin is awsome for irc :-)
[10:55] <Lycos> can anyone tell me if ther is an "vnc scanner" for ubuntu ???
[10:55] <cwillu> ?
[10:55] <cwillu> Lycos: ?
[10:55] <Bo^Dick> the reason is that i'd like to adjust the time resolution in the kernel
[10:55] <Pelo> Lycos,  did you check in synaptic ?
[10:55] <Lycos> a prog that scans for vnc servers
[10:55] <Lycos> that is what i'm looking for
[10:55] <Flare183> lycos:> krdc might help you
[10:55] <Draggin> Pelo - oh :) hehe, old-school, huh?  Well, in all honesty, I was using ChatZilla before this, but it's so ugly...
[10:55] <Pelo> Lycos,  did you check in synaptic ?
[10:55] <cwillu> Bo^Dick: that, you'd have to recompile, but are you sure you want to?
[10:55] <Pelo> Draggin, xchat ...
[10:56] <benzon> !codec
[10:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:56] <cox377> erUSUL: I shall take a look, cheers guys
[10:56] <d90> cwillu, henri_,  !application/wine!
[10:56] <Lycos> il check now :D
[10:56] <b08y> hey i need help, where can i see how the gusty kernel was compiled, with which options?
[10:56] <Scunizi> Any one have problems with Feisty recognizing their webcam after booting then plugging it in vs. having it plugged in at boot?
[10:56] <oliver_g_> miles8: yes there is a workaround i think
[10:56] <Bo^Dick> i read about a patch too
[10:56] <cwillu> !kernel > b08y
[10:56] <oliver_g_> miles8: just have to look it up in my config files :-)
[10:56] <gnomefreak> b08y: launchpad and for further gutsy questions join #ubuntu+1
[10:56] <Pelo> b08y, it's usualy on the site somewhere but you can try asking in #ubuntu+1
[10:56] <Bo^Dick> is it possible to save the unpatched kernel just in case?
[10:56] <cwillu> absoluately
[10:56] <cwillu> Bo^Dick: old kernel isn't uninstalled generally if you go the deb route
[10:57] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know what the application for monitoring power use is?
[10:57] <spasticteapot> I found it a while ago...it's got a graphing function.
[10:57] <oliver_g_> miles8: here's the comment in my ~/.ssh/config that says it: "# No strict IP checking, as mecky and charly have same hostname" :-)
[10:57] <cox377> erUSUL: umm i'm just after a command say that will just make it use an external time server
[10:57] <Pelo> spasticteapot, there is a panel app for that I beleive
[10:57] <unwiredbrain> Hi to everyone! I'm starting to code in C++, and I would like to know which editor is better for you.Thanks.
[10:57] <spasticteapot> The one I'm looking for is not a panel app.
[10:58] <oliver_g_> miles8: i have added the two machines to my ssh config file, and have set the option "StrictHostKeyChecking no" for each one
[10:58] <spasticteapot> I'm getting under two hours on an IBM X61, and I'm a bit peeved.
[10:58] <Pelo> unwiredbrain,  any text editor will do as far as I understand
[10:58] <veynom> are USB wireless cards capable of RF monitoring?
[10:58] <miles8> oliver_g_: thanks
[10:58] <nicolai__> n8
[10:58] <Ca0s86> saludos, como registro un nick?
[10:58] <unwiredbrain> Pelo, yeah, i knew. But I'm looking for some sort of IDE or stuff like that.
[10:58] <Pelo> later folks
[10:59] <Ca0s86> sorry, how I can register a nick?
[10:59] <Kworth> Soundcard works now, thanks guys :)
[10:59] <oliver_g_> unwiredbrain: have a look at kdevelop or eclipse (for full IDEs); or you can use emacs or kate as quite nice "programmer
[11:00] <oliver_g_> ... editors
[11:00] <Draggin> Ca0s86 - type "/msg nickserv register help" for info
[11:00] <unwiredbrain> oliver_g_, thanks.
[11:00] <Kworth> Skype always gives me the error : Problem with Callback? Soundcard works fine - what to do?
[11:00] <KoweSix> why do i not have permission to some folders in ubuntu after a new installation of the os? oO
[11:00] <Andeh> When I enable 3-D effects in preferences, the screen goes white and I have to restart X
[11:01] <Andeh>  I have a Nvidia 8600 GT 256MB
[11:01] <Andeh> Do I need to install drivers?
[11:01] <nucco> hi, i observed something just now that could be a 'bug' but i can't classify it.
[11:02] <nucco> i had a cd-rw/dvdrom combo previously. i replaced it with a dvd-rw drive, and cd burning tool wouldn't work
[11:02] <Kworth> cant I use Amarok and Skype at the same time?
[11:02] <Kworth> It just gives me an error when I use it both?
[11:02] <nucco> synaptic couldn't also recognise that there was a disc in the drive
[11:03] <oliver_g_> Kworth: do you use skype 1.3 or later?
[11:03] <Kworth> oliver_g_ I use 1.4
[11:03] <Kworth> oliver_g_, <IP_ADDRESS> to be exactly
[11:04] <oliver_g_> Kworth: hmm, then you should be able to use ALSA for sound output, so amarok and skype should be able to work in parallel
[11:04] <Draggin> So tell me - when I get Gutsy, do I have to do a clean install from a standard CD, or is there some way of upgrading Feisty without a complete cleanout?
[11:04] <erUSUL> cox377: use ntpdate or better yet run ntpd to maintain your clock synced
[11:04] <Kworth> oliver_g_, Oh I think I might not have activated ALSA
[11:05] <erUSUL> cox377: 'sudo /etc/init.d/ntp start' y you want to add it to startup services 'sudo update-rc.d ntp defaults'
[11:06] <kevinO> anyone know where the c header files for the kernel are?
[11:06] <veynom> how can i get linux to make the windows i open stay the same dimensions, like to keep terminal at the same size every time i open it?
[11:06] <erUSUL> kevinO: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
[11:06] <nucco> veynom: try devilspie
[11:06] <jstarcher> were does the file go when I run iptables-save?
[11:07] <kevinO> erUSUL: I dont already have them?
[11:07] <usr13> jstarcher, No where,  No file, only a command
[11:07] <erUSUL> kevinO: if you didn't installed them, no
[11:07] <kevinO> ok
[11:07] <kevinO> thanks
[11:08] <usr13> jstarcher, You would need to make a script yourself if you want the rules to be executed in the future.
[11:08] <Lakitu7> Gnome seems to have broken itself. ALl menu items simply return "could not launch menu item" How do I fix?
[11:08] <nucco> KevinO: that is: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[11:08] <gsb> Lakitu7:  Did you uninstall or change anything?
[11:09] <Andeh> How do I EXIT X?
[11:09] <Andeh> Not restart it
[11:09] <kevinO> nucco: ahh thanks
[11:09] <Lakitu7> I attempted to use the MAIN MENU editor in system menu.
[11:09] <Lakitu7> in which most things seemed to not work, but upon exiting, this began.
[11:09] <inimesekene> hello, what's the difference between the dvd and the cd versions?
[11:09] <mik3> i need to monitor a machine that is down right now, as in no route to it, and i need an alarm that will go off when the IP address is pingable, anyone have a recommendation?
[11:10] <nucco> Andeh: if you want a terminal, press "alt+ctrl+f1-f6"
[11:10] <gsb> Lakitu7:  What programs are having the issues?  All the gnome related programs?
[11:10] <spasticteapot> mik3: Sounds like something you could do with a shell script.
[11:10] <EnderTheThird> mik3: pay a neighbor kid to watch it?  ;-)
[11:10] <Andeh> nucco: I know that. how do I EXIT X? My NVIDIA driver wont run if X is running.
[11:10] <ScarEye> Hey guys,  I just installed Ubuntu Server 7.04 and I wanted to know does it come with a firewall by default ?  if not what do you guys recommend. I am not using any gui (kde or gnome)
[11:10] <Andeh> ScarEye: it does.
[11:10] <Lakitu7> Anything in the gnome menu has the issue, including simple things such as "about me"
[11:10] <nucco> Andeh: if you're not running X, is nvidia still useful?
[11:10] <mik3> spasticteapot : i don't know how to shell script, not enough to do what i need.
[11:11] <erUSUL> Andeh: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[11:11] <gsb> Andeh: sudo /etc/init.d/gsm dtop
[11:11] <EnderTheThird> ScarEye: it comes with one.  I'm not sure if it's turned on by default for Server or not though
[11:11] <Andeh> ok
[11:11] <Lakitu7> Could not launch menu item  Error reading file 'file:///usr/share/applications/gnome-about-me.desktop': Unsupported operation
[11:11] <spasticteapot> mik3: Use a CHRON function to PING the IP address every minute or so.
[11:11] <Andeh> thanks
[11:11] <gsb> Andeh:  er gdm
[11:11] <Andeh> brb
[11:11] <mik3> spasticteapot : and for the alarm?
[11:11] <spasticteapot> mik3: Well, shell scripting is stupid easy.
[11:11] <Lakitu7> (though all of these files are there, I can access them in console)
[11:11] <spasticteapot> mik3: Tell your favorite .mp3 player to open a Steely Dan song.
[11:11] <mik3> uh? all from a chrontab?
[11:12] <coogs> How can I change the size of the text on the desktop?
[11:12] <ScarEye> Andeh: what does it come with ?
[11:12] <ScarEye> iptables ?
[11:12] <gsb> mik3:  yeah, cron is pretty sweet haha.
[11:12] <inimesekene> hello, what's the difference between the dvd and the cd versions?
[11:12] <erUSUL> coogs: System>Preferences>fonts
[11:12] <nucco> coogs: system > preferences > fonts
[11:12] <coogs> thanks
[11:12] <KoweSix> ubuntu got a default root pw? ^^
[11:12] <self_enquiry> How many FPS is need for a good 3D acceleration?
[11:12] <spasticteapot> mik3: I learned shell scripting in about two hours.
[11:12] <nucco> nope
[11:12] <gsb> Lakitu7:  are you able to check your logs?  If so is there anything interesting in them?
[11:12] <nucco> KoweSix: no
[11:12] <Scunizi> !root | KoweSix
[11:12] <spasticteapot> And I can't really code in anything other than Qbasic.
[11:12] <ubotu> KoweSix: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:13] <nucco> KoweSix: root is idsabled by default
[11:13] <KoweSix> cheerio thx
[11:13] <spasticteapot> KoweSix: Or just use the passwd command to give yourself a root password, which enables root.
[11:13] <coogs> actually I'm running xubuntu. Would that make a difference
[11:13] <spasticteapot> Then you can use "su" or log in as root.
[11:13] <coogs> ?
[11:13] <erUSUL> spasticteapot: please do not advice that
[11:13] <jstarcher> is sudo iptables -A FORWARD -d 0/0 -p tcp --dport 6464 -j ACCEPT right?
[11:14] <nucco> spasticteapot: root login is also disabled at GDM.
[11:14] <erUSUL> KoweSix: if you want a temp "root shell" use 'sudo -i'
[11:14] <self_enquiry> How many FPS is need for a good 3D acceleration?
[11:14] <gsb> coogs: Applications > Desktop Settings > Behavior Tab
[11:14] <shimizu> how good is ur 3d accelerator to make nice fps
[11:14] <nucco> self_enquiry: anything upwards of 30 is good.
[11:14] <usr13> jstarcher, I am wrong. I didn't look at what you said.  I didn't realize you said "iptables-save".  I've never used that command and do not know wht it does.
[11:15] <shimizu> self_enquiry, weird question imo.. it's not about fps to make good acceleration, it's vice versa
[11:15] <self_enquiry> lawrence@inspiron:~$ glxgears
[11:15] <self_enquiry> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0".
[11:15] <self_enquiry> 6270 frames in 5.1 seconds = 1230.564 FPS
[11:15] <self_enquiry> 6081 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1205.522 FPS
[11:15] <self_enquiry> 6100 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1210.162 FPS
[11:15] <self_enquiry> 6140 frames in 5.1 seconds = 1204.748 FPS
[11:15] <usr13> jstarcher, No,
[11:15] <self_enquiry> 6120 frames in 5.1 seconds = 1211.453 FPS
[11:16] <Andeh> Hi
[11:16] <self_enquiry> How is this?
[11:16] <spasticteapot> self_enquiry: That seems fishy.
[11:16] <Andeh> NVIDIA installer needs to compile me a kernel header
[11:17] <spasticteapot> self_enquiry: Also, each frame takes a LOT longer when you've got to render a dozen cyborg zombie Nazis.
[11:17] <usr13> jstarcher, the syntax is right, but a rule like that would probably not be necessary.
[11:17] <Andeh> It says I don't have libc or something installed
[11:17] <Andeh> whats the package for that?
[11:17] <nucco> self_enquiry: glxgears does not do nearly as much as a modern 3d game does... :)
[11:17] <shimizu> self_enquiry, i tryed this glxgears just now it says from 7500 to 8500
[11:18] <bernier> Hi, where can I download the latest ubuntu kernel source?
[11:18] <self_enquiry> I/ll check wat's happend
[11:18] <gsb> Andeh:  Do you have gcc installed?
[11:18] <unics> hello
[11:18] <Andeh> gsb: I hope so
[11:18] <Andeh> install it now ...
[11:18] <shimizu> self_enquiry, what is ur video card
[11:19] <Andeh> gcc is already the newest version.
[11:19] <Andeh> I need libc
[11:19] <self_enquiry> ati radeon mobility X1400
[11:19] <gsb> Andeh:  I can't remember exactly what its called, give me one second.
[11:19] <DM|> erUSUL think i can do a dist-upgrade to feisty and be ok (from dapper)
[11:19] <unics> i'm having a little problem running psyBNC on ubuntu 6.06. It starts fine and also runs fine for a little while, but after a while i can't connect to the bouncer anymore and/or it goes down in ping timeout and won't come back. any idea what the problem could be ?
[11:19] <Andeh> thanks :D
[11:19] <shimizu> self_enquiry, i've x1950 xt.. try envy and install driver via it
[11:20] <Lakitu7_> Person who was helping me, sorry. I missed any response after I last spkoe.
[11:20] <shimizu> self_enquiry, but comparing our cards ur result is ok i think =)
[11:20] <usr13> jstarcher, It would depend a lot on the rules you've inserted before.  If you are blocking a range of ports including that one, and this rule will open just the one. Yes, it would be correct.  You have to judge the effectiveness of iptables rules as a whole, or end result of all the rules you insert.
[11:20] <Lakitu7_> it took me some time get back here after my console shortcut stopped working
[11:20] <self_enquiry> shimizu, thanks, I'll try
[11:21] <DM|> erUSUL nm its doing edgy, im gtg
[11:21] <erUSUL> DM|: you have to do dapper>edgy>feisty
[11:21] <gsb> Andeh:  Have you already installed the build-essential package?
[11:21] <gsb> Andeh:  Also, do a dpkg --list |grep libc and see if what you need is listed.
[11:21] <Andeh> theres a lot of libc packages
[11:21] <jstarcher> usr13, can I reset iptables back to defaults some how?
[11:22] <Andeh> E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
[11:22] <Andeh> oh
[11:22] <usr13> jstarcher, Yes, -F is for flush
[11:22] <Andeh> typo
[11:22] <gsb> Andeh: no s :)
[11:22] <usr13> or to just delete that one rule  -D
[11:22] <Andeh> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[11:22] <Andeh> Is that bad?
[11:22] <usr13> e.g.  sudo iptables -D FORWARD -d 0/0 -p tcp --dport 6464 -j ACCEPT
[11:23] <gsb> andeh: also, I would go ahead and do sudo apt-get install libc6 libc6-dev
[11:23] <gsb> andeh:  do you have all the repositories enabled?
[11:23] <bjwebb> hi
[11:23] <hendrixski> Andeh, build-essntials with an s at the end
[11:23] <Andeh> ah
[11:23] <bjwebb> why are mplayer dependencies in multiverse
[11:23] <hendrixski> Andeh, you can press tab 3 times and it should autocomplete it for you or show you a list of available tab completions
[11:23] <bjwebb> are they still free and gpl'd?
[11:23] <hendrixski> :-)
[11:24] <Andeh> ah okay
[11:24] <hendrixski> bjwebb, because some countries have f*cktarded laws about codecs
[11:24] <Andeh> brb
[11:24] <usr13> -F will flush all rules in a chain or designate no chain and flush all chanins.
[11:25] <bjwebb> hendrixski: but are they still gpl'd? is it just patents rather than copyright (like w32codecs)
[11:25] <usr13> chains not chains  not chanins
[11:25] <hendrixski> anybody know how to get diff to show me more than just the different files between two directories, but also the contents of the new files?
[11:25] <usr13> hendrixski, diff file2 file1
[11:25] <hendrixski> bjwebb, I think it may be a patent issue... but don't quote me on it.... if you can apt-get source w32codecs you know it's open source
[11:26] <bjwebb> hendrixski: im confusing you now, i know w32 codecs isn't, its other stuff i want to know about....
[11:26] <hendrixski> usr13, that doesn't work if that file DOESN'T EXIST in folder but does in another... I'm looking for a folder wide solution... know of anything like that?
[11:27] <hendrixski> bjwebb, my best guess is that if you can apt-get source from ubuntu, then it's open source... if not... it's probably proprietary (make sure you have the deb-src enabled for that repository)
[11:27] <usr13> hendrixski, diff /path/file1 /path/file2
[11:27] <gsb> hendrixski:  Couldn't you just specify the path to both files?
[11:27] <gsb> ah usr13 beat me to it :P
[11:27] <CorpusCallosum> is there any IDE for C++ and LEDA for graph algorithms and wireless sensor network i am using gutsy beta
[11:28] <spasticteapot> CorpusCallosum: Wha?
[11:28] <gsb> I was thinking the same thing..
[11:28] <Tronyx> how can you find a partition's mount point?  I'd like to mount an NTFS partition on the same drive
[11:28] <spasticteapot> Um....how about getting output from another program, and feeding into a C++ program written in your IDE of choice?
[11:28] <hendrixski> gsb, usr13.... I added a file to a folder... then when I run diff -r orrigFolder newFolder it only tells me "this file is extra" but won't show the same kind of output I'd get between file1 and file2
[11:28] <d90> I preformed sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to install KDE, And now after 2h+, it says "Fetched 124MB in 2h23m24s (14.4kB/s)
[11:28] <d90> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqt4-gui_4.2.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb  Connection timed out [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[11:28] <d90> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/kdeprint_3.5.6-0ubuntu20.7_i386.deb  Connection timed out [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[11:28] <d90> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:28] <d90> " What does this mean? is it ok?
[11:28] <spasticteapot> I know there's graph libraries somewhere.
[11:28] <usr13> spasticteapot, less /etc/fstab
[11:28] <erUSUL> !paste | d90
[11:28] <ubotu> d90: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:28] <gsb> Tronyx:  if you do a df -h that gives you the mount points you have.
[11:29] <spasticteapot> d90: Pastedumpers will be eaten by grues.
[11:29] <CorpusCallosum> I am looking an programming IDE for C++ and LEDA plugin do you have any idea ?
[11:29] <cacus> hi there
[11:29] <Tronyx> thanks much gsb
[11:29] <cacus> anyone could help me with some problems on my ALC660?
[11:29] <gsb> along with space information
[11:29] <hendrixski> gsb, usr13 and I want to make a .diff file so that I can send it to someone else, and they just run patch folder myDiff.diff and the file gets added to their folder as well
[11:29] <cacus> i just want to configure my inlines as outlines
[11:29] <cacus> but in alsamixer and gnome alsamixer there's nothing to deal with
[11:29] <spasticteapot> usr13: What was that answer in reply to?
[11:29] <cacus> someone told me to run the modules with another commands
[11:29] <cacus> but i don't know wich commands are for this card and how to figure out wich commands are those who manage those kind of stuff
[11:29] <cacus> anybody?
[11:29] <eugman> How do I get rid of my thumbnails? i want to refresh it since it is like 3 gigs
[11:29] <spasticteapot> How do I turn off the power to my wireless card?
[11:29] <Tronyx> hm gsb, how can I add a mount point?
[11:30] <andy_33> How do I found out which window manager I'm running?
[11:30] <spasticteapot> I used to be able to use function-F5 on my X40; on my X61, it won't work.
[11:30] <usr13> spasticteapot, Unload the driver from the kernel.
[11:30] <tonyyarusso> andy_33: well, if you have a guess you can grep the output of 'ps aux'
[11:30] <spasticteapot> usr13: That won't remove power to the card.
[11:30] <usr13> spasticteapot, rmmod
[11:30] <unics> i'm having a little problem running psyBNC on ubuntu 6.06. It starts fine and also runs fine for a little while, but after a while i can't connect to the bouncer anymore and/or it goes down in ping timeout and won't come back. any idea what the problem could be ?
[11:30] <spasticteapot> rmmod?
[11:31] <veynom> anyone know a wireless card that supports RF monitoring?
[11:31] <andy_33> tonyyarusso,  hmm? :x
[11:31] <usr13> spasticteapot, no, but it will dissable it.
[11:31] <usr13> spasticteapot, effectively turning it off.
[11:31] <magnetron> veynom: most atheros-based cards
[11:31] <spasticteapot> Disabling the card still means it draws power.
[11:31] <erUSUL> hendrixski: diff -ur folder1 folder2 ??
[11:31] <entie> i'd like to update my memcached from 1.1.2 to 1.2.2,  1.1.1 isn't marshalling my objects cleanly
[11:32] <entie> i'm not terribly great a package management though
[11:32] <entie> this is to the point: http://www.ducea.com/2007/09/17/memcached-122-on-debian-etch/
[11:32] <tonyyarusso> andy_33: For instance, Gnome's window manager is metacity.  'ps aux' is a command that outputs all running processes, and 'grep' is a pattern matching tool.  'ps aux | grep metacity' would display a line with information about it if it is in fact running, and no output if not.
[11:32] <usr13> sparkleytone, Not necessarily.  If you dissable the card it will more than likely quit drawing power.  It will be turned off.
[11:32] <entie> but i'm curious about if i'm going to run in to problems using debian packages?
[11:32] <internet_> Suddenly, just today, I've gotten a whole host of problems with Ubuntu...
[11:32] <silent__> does anyone here know how to create custom resolutions for hdtvs?
[11:32] <jikanter> entie: ubuntu packages are debian packages
[11:32] <Andeh> Just installed ubuntu on my brand new PC and am enjoying the speed improvement
[11:33] <Andeh> I have a question though
[11:33] <jikanter> entie: the way ubuntu works is that we clean up the upstream debian packages... The packages are the same
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> jikanter, entie: Ubuntu and Debian packages are in the same format, but NOT necessarily compatible and it is NOT recommended to mix and match them.
[11:33] <usr13> entie, Ubuntu is just a pretty Debian.
[11:33] <internet_> I can't access my dekstop, some panel apps just quit, and I can't use XChat.
[11:33] <entie> jikanter: the sources location i pasted in complained because the public key was available
[11:33] <hendrixski> erUSUL, ah, the -u may do it
[11:33] <magnetron> Andeh: great
[11:33] <Andeh> Can I use my graphics card to render my desktop etc WITHOUT effects for maximum speed?
[11:33] <entie> *wasn't
[11:33] <jikanter> tonyrusso: it can work though....
[11:34] <robert_> are there any 32-bit qt libraries for Feisty/64?
[11:34] <Andeh> I''m in feisty
[11:34] <entie> so here is the other idea
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> jikanter: It can, but you do so at your own risk and such behaviour is not supported.
[11:34] <entie> gutsy has memcached 1.2.2
[11:34] <entie> is that a better choice?
[11:34] <KoweSix> When I start an external hdd, it is automatically mounted as read-only.. how can i change that? :o
[11:34] <jikanter> tonyyrusso: I agree
[11:34] <hendrixski> erUSUL, nope....  same output... just says that there is a different file... probably wouldn'y make the kind of patch to create it :-(
[11:34] <erUSUL> hendrixski: no it is -N
[11:34] <jikanter> entie: be really careful. Don't do anything yet..
[11:34] <Tronyx> can anyone tell me how to add a mount point?  I need to mount the NTFS partition of my hard drive
[11:34] <erUSUL> hendrixski: diff -Nur folder1 folder2 ??
[11:34] <entie> 1.2.1-1 precisely. is it resonable to upgrade a single package to gutsy?
[11:34] <joseph> I am trying to figure out howcome I can get my wireless up and running in PCLinux but not with Ubuntu
[11:34] <hendrixski> erUSUL, ah, SWEET
[11:35] <erUSUL> hendrixski: -u is for unified format and r recursive
[11:35] <jikanter> entie: the issue deals with dependencies of packages...
[11:35] <robert_> Andeh, 32 or 64?
[11:35] <d90> I sucessful installed KDE enviroment using "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop". OK what should I need to download to have option at login to choose between GNOME and KDE.
[11:35] <MasterShrek> KoweSix, is it ntfs?
[11:35] <jikanter> if you do that, it may require you to download all sorts of new gutsy- based packages.
[11:35] <Andeh> robert_: 32 bit
[11:35] <entie> jikanter: i htink i'll have to update libevent and memcached
[11:35] <KoweSix> y
[11:35] <tonyyarusso> jikanter: What you can do however, if there is a package in Debian that hasn't synced to Ubuntu yet, is apt-get source the package from Debian and rebuild it on your Ubuntu system with pbuilder and debuild, which requires reading a fair bit of documentation and maybe getting some help from the MOTU team, but will make a good package in the end.
[11:35] <usr13> Tronyx, First you use mkdir to make the directory you are going to use as a mount point.  Then you mount the filesystem on that directory with the mount comand
[11:36] <MasterShrek> KoweSix, cuz linux cant read/write ntfs natively
[11:36] <hendrixski> erUSUL,   wow... the N did it... I didn't figure that out from looking at the man page... it's like -N treat absent files as empty... didn't register in my head
[11:36] <Ahadiel> d90, As you get to the login screen, click "Session"
[11:36] <robert_> I need qt 3/4 32 libs
[11:36] <Andeh> I heard there were problems with some things in x64 and that 32 bit runs fine as well
[11:36] <hendrixski> erUSUL, thank you :-)
[11:36] <tonyyarusso> d90: just log out, and click "Sessions"
[11:36] <erUSUL> hendrixski: no problem
[11:36] <MasterShrek> Andeh, mainly flash and java
[11:36] <Andeh> I have a dual core (Core 2 Duo E6550)
[11:36] <entie> ug
[11:36] <jikanter> entie: If you have the time, I would follow what tonyyrusso just said
[11:36] <Andeh> MasterShrek: yeah
[11:36] <Andeh> especially flash
[11:36] <entie> i need to do it fore a bunch of computers
[11:36] <Andeh> and java
[11:36] <Andeh> lol
[11:36] <KoweSix> MasterShrek:  so that would also explain the reason why i cant mount the encrypted container files on it?! :]
[11:36] <MasterShrek> Andeh, flash runs fine for me, and so does java
[11:36] <MasterShrek> !ntfs-3g | KoweSix
[11:36] <ubotu> KoweSix: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[11:37] <Andeh> MasterShrek: O___O
[11:37] <KoweSix> thanks
[11:37] <jikanter> entie: It is for sure a worthwhile learning experience though..
[11:37] <MasterShrek> Andeh, it just takes a couple extra steps to configure in x86_64
[11:37] <Bo^Dick> thanks for all support guys
[11:37] <caskater4> does anyone know of a good program that can get me CPU/mobo temperatures and fan information?
[11:37] <entie> tonyyarusso: could you link me to an example of that process, with any package.   so i know what i'm expecting?
[11:37] <Andeh> So i just wasted 2 hours installing 64 bit?
[11:37] <d90> Ahadiel, tonyyarusso, THX
[11:37] <Draggin> Later
[11:37] <MasterShrek> Andeh, definately not, 64 bit is the way to go if your cpu can do it
[11:37] <erUSUL> !flash64 | Andeh
[11:37] <ubotu> Andeh: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[11:37] <Andeh> I actually ENJOY configuring things. It makes me really happy when it finally works.
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> entie: sure, a sec
[11:37] <Andeh> MasterShrek: crap...
[11:38] <jstarcher> usr13, iptables -F is a bad idea
[11:38] <jikanter> entie: search the string "pbuilder" on the ubuntu wiki
[11:38] <lunz> what is the command to umount cdrom?
[11:38] <Andeh> is there a way to reinstall all packages in 64 bit?
[11:38] <Andeh> lol
[11:38] <jikanter> entie: http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:38] <usr13> jstarcher, Why
[11:38] <entie> thanks
[11:38] <caskater4> does anyone know of a good program that can get me CPU/mobo temperatures and fan information?
[11:39] <MasterShrek> andeh what do you mean? you cant run 64 bit programs on a 32 bit kernel
[11:39] <jstarcher> usr13, it erases everything and I just lost internet connection and had to rewrite the rules by hand
[11:39] <erUSUL> !lmsensors | caskater4
[11:39] <ubotu> caskater4: You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[11:39] <Andeh> MasterShrek: yeah, including the kernel I meant
[11:39] <Andeh> Whats the easiest way to convert this into x64?
[11:39] <lunz> !unmount
[11:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmount - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <caskater4> ubotu: thx i'll take a look
[11:39] <MasterShrek> Andeh, i dont know if you can
[11:39] <magnetron> Andeh: of course there is. use the amd64 install cd
[11:39] <MasterShrek> lunz, sudo umount /media/cdrom0
[11:39] <lunz> !mount
[11:39] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:39] <lunz> thanks
[11:40] <MasterShrek> lunz, type eject to eject it
[11:40] <Andeh> magnetron: And it will just replace this and everything will run perfectly?
[11:40] <usr13> jstarcher, Well, in your case it may have been bad, but I told you what it would do.  I also told you how to delete specific rules
[11:40] <Andeh> magnetron: haha
[11:40] <magnetron> Andeh: no, it will reformat your hard drive
[11:40] <Andeh> exactly
[11:40] <MasterShrek> lol
[11:40] <Andeh> and I just spent 2 hours installing windows.
[11:40] <lunz> thanks again master
[11:40] <Andeh> Don't ask.
[11:40] <riotkittie> 2 hours. hee.
[11:40] <Andeh> meh
[11:40] <MasterShrek> np lunz
[11:41] <Andeh> less
[11:41] <riotkittie> i need to set up a disc that will let me do an unattended install.
[11:41] <Andeh> but felt like 4 hours
[11:41] <Andeh> lol
[11:41] <tonyyarusso> entie: Four links with more than you ever wanted to know: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackagingHandbook, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[11:41] <magnetron> Andeh: i hope you didn't use 100GB or something
[11:41] <antisystem32> a
[11:41] <MasterShrek> =P
[11:41] <usr13> jstarcher, see man iptables    (don't take my word for it)
[11:41] <riotkittie> i have windows installed as a host. <hugs it>
[11:41] <MasterShrek> pew
[11:42] <caskater4> MasterShrek: I have Windows as host, Linux only as VM ;)
[11:42] <magnetron> Andeh: so violent... the youth of today
[11:42] <Andeh> MasterShrek: I need windows AsAP. My plan: Install normally. Then install as VM under ubuntu, and if THAT runs fast enough, then delete installed windows.
[11:42] <jstarcher> usr13, yeah I know. I did what you said. here is my output. What is wrong with it? I'm simply forwarding port 6464 to <IP_ADDRESS>:6464
[11:42] <jstarcher> usr13, http://pb.theoverclocked.com/108
[11:42] <Dsff_Sdf> Hey guys, I need some Help. I have a nVidia GeForce 6150 LE and I tried to use Envy to configure the driver and get the correct resolution setting, and now im running at 640X480 and I cant seem to fix it. Any ideas?
[11:42] <MasterShrek> !envy
[11:42] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[11:42] <magnetron> good ubotu
[11:43] <Andeh> lol
[11:43] <Dsff_Sdf> Yeah
[11:43] <veynom> anyone know a wirless card that supports linux and RF monitoring and is PCI or USB
[11:43] <magnetron> ubotu thank you
[11:43] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[11:43] <Andeh> magnetron: So, whats the best choice for converting to 64 bit?
[11:43] <Dsff_Sdf> I'm running at such a huge ugly resolution and I have no idea how to fix.
[11:43] <magnetron> veynom: any atheros-card
[11:43] <MasterShrek> Andeh, back up your /home folder and reinstall with the 64 bit cd
[11:43] <Andeh> ah
[11:43] <veynom> it seems like they're all mini-pci
[11:43] <Andeh> ok
[11:43] <magnetron> Andeh: there is only one way i know of, i told you
[11:44] <Andeh> Already have backed up
[11:44] <Andeh> hmm
[11:44] <Andeh> Its almost midnight
[11:44] <Andeh> school tomorrow
[11:44] <Andeh> :/
[11:44] <magnetron> veynom: no, there are pci and pc-card variants as well
[11:44] <riotkittie> if you go the atheros route, opt for pci. i believe that support for atheros based usb is less than stellar, but i may be wrong
[11:44] <Andeh> Also big history test that i didn't study for.
[11:44] <magnetron> veynom: yeah, i meant any non-usb atheros card
[11:45] <Dsff_Sdf> Can anyone help me with this resolution problem?
[11:45] <Andeh> Now will someone answer my question: Is there a way to use the GPU to draw the GUI WITHOUT EFFECTS, so it runs REALLY fast?
[11:45] <jstarcher> usr13, any ideas
[11:45] <veynom> ok
[11:45] <Andeh> or does it already do that?
[11:45] <riotkittie> my knee hurts >|
[11:46] <riotkittie> i want dual screens, and i want them nowww. but i'm not getting them.
[11:46] <Dsff_Sdf> :(
[11:47] <Dsff_Sdf> No one has an Idea?
[11:47] <dr3w2morow> riotkittie: go to system and look under administration then go device manager
[11:47] <nucco> riotkittie: if you feel up to it, read man xorg.conf
[11:48] <usr13> jstarcher, not sure what you are trying to accomplish.
[11:48] <dr3w2morow> dsff_sdf what was ur question?
[11:48] <veynom> what would be an optimal brand/manufactuer/etc new motherboard that likes linux?
[11:48] <nucco> its actually not too complicated. you should just create a new "screen" with the right information, and add an entry to your "serverlayout" informing X of the relative positions of the screens.
[11:48] <jstarcher> usr13, just a simple port forward
[11:48] <Dsff_Sdf> dr3w2morow,  I have a nVidia GeForce 6150 LE and I tried to use Envy to configure the driver and get the correct resolution setting, and now im running at 640X480 and I cant seem to fix it. Any ideas?
[11:48] <{Zeus}> venyom: it shouldn't matter, although I have heard ATi doesn't like Ubuntu... although my ATi is fine
[11:48] <dr3w2morow> umm ok
[11:48] <Ahadiel> Dsff_Sdf, Why'd you use Envy =/
[11:49] <Dsff_Sdf> I didn't know not to. :\
[11:49] <riotkittie> nucco: i know this, and have tried it. more than once :P
[11:49] <nucco> Dsff_Sdf: use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:49] <FlyingPig> o hai
[11:49] <dr3w2morow> dsff_sdf system -> administration -> system moniter
[11:49] <Dsff_Sdf> Yeah
[11:49] <dr3w2morow> oops
[11:49] <dr3w2morow> lol wait
[11:49] <avalanche121> hi
[11:49] <Dsff_Sdf> dr3w2morow,  there is no setting for a higher resolution
[11:50] <dr3w2morow> nvm im confusing myself
[11:50] <dr3w2morow> really? i changed mine yesterday
[11:50] <nucco> riotkittie: the two monitors have equal resolution capabilities?
[11:50] <avalanche121> I've made an ftp server, can somebody test it for me if you can join to it or not?
[11:50] <{Zeus}> avalanche: IP?
[11:50] <usr13> jstarcher, what traffic are you trying to forward to what IP?
[11:51] <dr3w2morow> system --> pereferences --> system moniter
[11:51] <jstarcher> usr13, port 6464 to <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:51] <deviantintegral> hi. I'm having problems with kernel panics on my ubuntu server. I'm running raid5 + lvm. I managed to get the panic text via serial console, anyone have any suggestions? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40208/
[11:51] <undauntedspirit> lol
[11:52] <Dsff_Sdf> Yeah
[11:52] <Dsff_Sdf> None
[11:52] <{Zeus}> deviantintegral: when does this happen?
[11:53] <avalanche121> zeus <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:53] <deviantintegral> {Zeus}: pretty soon after boot. It seems to depend on the IO load. I've had it stay up for a few days, but now it thinks it needs to resync the array so it goes down within 10-20 minutes.
[11:53] <avalanche121> username=user; password={nothing}
[11:53] <ihavethespeed> anyone here that can help with an ubuntu install?
[11:53] <{Zeus}> it won't find the server
[11:54] <avalanche121> thanks zeus
[11:54] <{Zeus}> ihavethespeed: what is the problem?
[11:54] <carlosV2> hi
[11:54] <carlosV2> somebody has CUPS?
[11:54] <{Zeus}> avalanche, ping workd
[11:54] <riotkittie> ihavethespeed: what issues are having you?
[11:54] <Ahadiel> avalanche121, Did you make sure to forward ports?
[11:54] <riotkittie> you having, rather?
[11:54] <usr13> jstarcher, you would probably want something like:  iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 --dport 6464  -j DNAT --to <IP_ADDRESS>:6464
[11:54] <ihavethespeed> im trying to dual boot vista and unbuntu on my laptop
[11:55] <{Zeus}> ihavethespeed, you are on vista now?
[11:55] <ihavethespeed> yes
[11:55] <{Zeus}> and you have a Ubuntu Live CD?
[11:55] <ihavethespeed> i have the iso i burned
[11:55] <{Zeus}> ok
[11:55] <carlosV2> somebody use CUPS?
[11:55] <ihavethespeed> i think theyre the same thing
[11:55] <usr13> jstarcher,  Not sure if I got the ehternet port right....
[11:55] <avalanche121> ahadiel; I haven't done that I think
[11:55] <wackamole> avalanche121: not connecting to 21 for me, ping works
[11:55] <iva1> hi need help with my ubuntu, it has problem with installing aplications. I have tried to install a few torrent but i cant run some of them
[11:56] <Ahadiel> avalanche121, Well yeah, I assume you are behind a router
[11:56] <ineedhelp> can someone help me with some simple shell scripting?
[11:56] <{Zeus}> yeah
[11:56] <Ahadiel> therefore you need to forward the appropriate ports
[11:56] <{Zeus}> what are you trying to do?
[11:56] <carlosV2> ineedhelp, what do you want?
[11:56] <d90> hey again I have been successful installed KDE and now running it, it is so much better then GNOME but is there any possability to make double click to open files than to use one click?
[11:56] <usr13> jstarcher,  in other words, change eth1 as needed.
[11:56] <ineedhelp> Write a bash shell script, called phonedir.sh that maintains a phone directory in a file called phonedir.txt in the invoking user's home directory. The script takes two or three arguments, with the first argument being the operation the script is supposed to do (notice this first arg starts with a -).
[11:56] <ihavethespeed> install it
[11:56] <Ahadiel> d90, It's in some settings panel somewhere
[11:56] <avalanche121> wackamole; thanks
[11:56] <ihavethespeed> the installer wont work though
[11:57] <ineedhelp> :-(
[11:57] <ineedhelp> im so confused
[11:57] <Brian_> what is better ubuntu 6.06 or ubuntu 7.04 or ubuntu 7.10 beta?
[11:57] <carlosV2> ineedhelp, in what part are you confused?
[11:57] <{Zeus}> hmm... well that is a little too advanced to be considered here
[11:57] <reporcello> hello
[11:57] <ineedhelp> im not really sure how to get started
[11:57] <Brian_> ill shorten it
[11:58] <carlosV2> ineedhelp, with: #!/bin/bash xDDD :P is a joke
[11:58] <Brian_> what is better ubuntu 6.06 or ubuntu 7.04?
[11:58] <ineedhelp> yeah
[11:58] <iva1> why dosn't the apt-get install put a script in bash when i install?
[11:58] <ineedhelp> i got that
[11:58] <dfletcher_> ineedhelp, I'd take a look at what gawk (awk) does - seems most of your script is just finding records in a text db
[11:58] <reporcello> hello people.. i'm pretty new to ubuntu.. i got a little problem whit the wlan card.. can someone help me?
[11:58] <erUSUL> !wifi
[11:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:58] <carlosV2> well, first, try to think what do you what the script does and write graphicaly (do you understand me?)
[11:58] <Fan_Of_Ur_Mom> ello
[11:58] <ae88925> I have no issues with 7.04
[11:59] <Brian_> >	what is better ubuntu 6.06 or ubuntu 7.04?
[11:59] <stinger05> hi there.. :)
[11:59] <Ahadiel> ineedhelp, Make some psuedo-code
[11:59] <erUSUL> !best | Brian_
[11:59] <ubotu> Brian_: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[11:59] <ineedhelp> no not really
[11:59] <Danaman5> Hi everyone, every time I update my Linux kernel, a new entry for it is added to GRUB, but the old ones are not removed, so now I have like 4.  Is there a way to remove all of the unnecessary startup options?
[11:59] <erUSUL> Danaman5: remove the unneeded kernels
[12:00] <hawk_> ubuntu-it
[12:00] <Kyokuz> when installing ubuntu desktop version i just noticed it wanted to use 81% of the disk and do a resize, was it trying to preserve the windows partition?
[12:00] <Kyokuz> or would it still wipe the windows install?
[12:00] <Brian_> so ubuntu 7.04 is better for features and ubuntu 6.06 is better for support?
[12:00] <dremth> I have ubuntu, vista, and xp installed right now and vista has taken over my mbr. I used to have grub installed on my ubuntu partition but now grub is gone. How can I get it back?
[12:00] <reporcello> yes.. i red this..
[12:00] <stinger05> how do i connect to the internet on ubuntu feisty using a dedicated (usrname & password) connection ?
[12:01] <usr13> jstarcher,  where eth1 is ethernet port that <IP_ADDRESS> is connected to.
[12:01] <erUSUL> Kyokuz: depends on what you tell the installer to do... both options are aviable during install
[12:01] <carlosV2> ineedhelp, try to do a diagram with lines that you want. for example: first, detect param 1
[12:01] <carlosV2> + If 'a' do that
[12:01] <carlosV2> \if 'b' do that
[12:01] <iva1> is there any good torrent clients to Linux except azureus, ktorrent, bittorrent
[12:01] <dr3w2morow> kyokuz: i think it does wipe it but im not so smart for this... i think it would make it faster? im not sure but i just put 98% on mine
[12:01] <usr13> jstarcher,  where ethX is ethernet port that <IP_ADDRESS> is connected to.
[12:01] <ae88925> LTS will be supported for a longer period
[12:01] <Brian_> oh
[12:01] <magnetron> !deluge > iva1
[12:01] <ae88925> 7.04 will have newer software
[12:01] <Brian_> ok
[12:01] <reporcello> my wlan card read the name of the wireless lan
[12:01] <avalanche121> can you try again now, (ftp server) <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:02] <carlosV2> to develop a program/script, first, you need to think the things what you want do and how do you want. is imposible to do something without an idea of what you want
[12:02] <VWJ1bnR1> For Ubuntu support is there a number I could call, just like for Microsoft?
[12:02] <stinger05> how do i connect to the internet on ubuntu feisty using a dedicated (usrname & password) connection ?
[12:02] <ae88925> avalanche: Are you NATting FTP through IPTables?
[12:02] <reporcello> when i try to connect the led on the wlan car do not flash
[12:02] <dremth> I have ubuntu, vista, and xp installed right now and vista has taken over my mbr. I used to have grub installed on my ubuntu partition but now grub is gone. How can I get it back?
[12:02] <carlosV2> somebody use CUPS?
[12:02] <Brian_> the install program for ubuntu 7.10 beta wont work,is it becuz its in beta right now?
[12:02] <VWJ1bnR1> dremth: I have that problem, too.
[12:02] <magnetron> VWJ1bnR1: yes, canonical sells support
[12:03] <FlyingPig> VWJ1bnR1 you must buy that
[12:03] <erUSUL> carlosV2: anybody that uses a printer under ubuntu uses CUPS
[12:03] <acglaphotis> dremth: install burn a supergrub disk
[12:03] <Pici> Brian_: Ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:03] <dremth> acglaphotis, i have one
[12:03] <stinger05> how do i connect to the internet on ubuntu feisty using a dedicated (usrname & password) connection ?
[12:03] <dremth> acglaphotis, i dont know how to use it though
[12:03] <acglaphotis> dremth: humm
[12:03] <acglaphotis> dremth: wait a bit
[12:03] <FlyingPig> VWJ1bnR1 the corp i worked at installed ubuntu on 50 computers and we bought support
[12:04] <dremth> acglaphotis, for what?
[12:04] <nucco> stinger05: what kind of connection?
[12:04] <carlosV2> ok erUSUL, thanks. my problem is that i want to print inside a LAN. other times, i wirte in configuration file, a line to accept conections of other PCs. now, i'va this line 'listen localhost:631'. what can i write to do this?


[10:14] <sasa> According to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/arm-linux ubuntu is available for arm and...
[10:15] <sasa> according to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904 there are issues on arm platforms but...
[10:16] <sasa> according to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download ubuntu is only available for x86...
[10:16] <sasa> Anyone know the score?
[10:18] <dpb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[10:25] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/jaunty/release/ has images for imx51 boards
[10:27] <sasa> Ok - I think I see, It all looks like work-in-progress so I might be better off sticking with Angstrom...
[10:27] <ogra> for a beagle ?
[10:28] <ogra> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu would be the place to go for that ... but i wouldnt suggest to use ubuntu on the 128M version (for that rather take xubuntu)
[10:28] <sasa> Yes, should have said for beagle, sorry.
[10:28] <ogra> note that ubuntu doesnt have any support for OMAP CPUs
[10:29] <ogra> and wont in the near future
[10:29] <ogra> (kernel wise i mean, userspace should run fine on OMAP)
[10:30] <sasa> And the versatile kernel doesn't run on it?
[10:30] <ogra> no
[10:30] <ogra> versatile runs on versatile boards or qemu
[10:31] <sasa> Ah, got it.  How much of the userland distro is currently available?
[10:31] <ogra> the elinux wiki i gave you the link for above has a link to kernel packages
[10:31] <ogra> nearly all of main, most of universe
[10:37] <janrinze> morning.
[10:39] <janrinze> is there a fast way to try ubuntu on a beagleboard without having to do the RootfsFromScratch?
[10:40] <ogra> no
[10:41] <sasa> I don't want to sound dim but what is rootfsfromscratch?
[10:41] <ogra> see /topic :)
[10:41] <janrinze> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[10:41] <ogra> and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[10:42] <janrinze> are there any people who already did build a rootfs and made them available?
[10:42] <sasa> I have looked at them but I am still none-the-wiser!
[10:45] <janrinze> the rootfs from scratch requires that it is performed on a PC running the latest Ubuntu, right?
[10:45] <lool> janrinze: A recent Ubuntu, yes
[10:45] <lool> janrinze: There are some rootfses available; I think ogra published some in the past
[10:46] <ogra> jaunty or newer
[10:46] <ogra> they are totally outdated
[10:46] <janrinze> i run Debian 5.0 so setting up Ubuntu 9.04 is a bit too much for me a.t.m.
[10:47] <ogra> if you have the right debootstrap and qemu versions you should be able to build it on lenny
[10:47] <ogra> though YYMV
[10:47] <ogra> *YMMV
[10:47] <sasa> Ok - I am suse based and just wanted an easy devel environment on my beagle  so I think this is not for me right now - thanks!
[10:47] <sasa> any other suggestions though?
[10:47] <ogra> the second stage of debootstrap runs completely inside qemu
[10:47] <ogra> so thats already fully under ubuntu
[10:47] <janrinze> ok.. maybe i should do it in VMware.. Is QEmu required? I would like to prefer to run it on the beagleboard..
[10:47] <ogra> if you get through the first stage and it still runs, that should work
[10:48] <ogra> qemu is required by the image build process
[10:48] <ogra> the script is actually a wrapper around qemu
[10:48] <janrinze> I have used debootstrap before but that was on a different ARM platform
[10:48] <ogra> you dont use debootstrap ;) the script does
[10:49] <janrinze> i saw that.
[10:49] <ogra> just get the version linked from the wiki, install it on lenny and run the script
[10:49] <ogra> if the script finishes you are golden :)
[10:49] <janrinze> will try that. I hope it won't mess with the repositories ;-)
[10:50] <ogra> it wont
[10:51] <ogra> just dpkg -i the debootstrap ...
[10:53] <janrinze> ok.. i willreinstall the Debian debootstrap when i am done with the Ubuntu rootfs.
[10:54] <ogra> debootstrap is backwards compatible, no need to
[10:54] <ogra> ubuntu uses the one from sid and adds the ubuntu specific scripts ... it doesnt touch the debian scripts at all
[10:54] <ogra> so it should be safe to just keep that one
[10:55] <lool> I have a jaunty rootfs which you can try out; it probably assumes too much, but it's at least based on jaunty
[10:55] <janrinze> ok. good to hear ;-)
[10:55] <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/mmcblk0.img
[10:55] <lool> See the directory for various qemu setup stuff
[10:57] <janrinze> lool: interesting qemu patches in there too :-)
[11:01] <lool> Eh
[11:01] <ogra> heh
[11:06] <janrinze> lool: is the image compressed? it is downloading at 330KB/sec so it takes a while.
[11:07] <lool> janrinze: I don't think it is
[11:07] <lool> janrinze: I'm happy to compress it if you like
[11:07] <janrinze> no prob. it will take just a bit longer..
[11:08] <janrinze> i am in no hurry ;-)
[11:08] <lool> I'm creating a compressed one aside of it
[11:12] <lool> janrinze: How far are you in your dl?
[11:12] <lool> 513M    mmcblk0.img
[11:12] <lool> 117M    mmcblk0.img.bz2
[11:13] <janrinze> lool: it is done..
[11:13] <lool> Ok, removing the .img
[11:13] <janrinze> will save you bandwidth :-)
[11:14] <lool> That's not too much of a concern :)
[11:17] <lool> Hmm how can I disassemble a non-ELF file like a bootloader with a cross toolchain?
[11:18] <lool> I checked objdump, but it seems to only be supporting ELF, and as/gas doesn't seem to to support disassembly
[11:19] <janrinze> lool: i have several tools but not available on Ubuntu.. what kind of file is it?
[11:19] <janrinze> If IDApro is available you may get lucky..
[11:20] <lool> It's an ARM binary
[11:20] <lool> I guess v7 since the board is v7
[11:20] <janrinze> IDApro can handle ARM binaries.. not sure if it supports ARMv7 already.
[11:21] <lool> I tried the Uboot binary I had around on B2 and it didn't work
[11:22] <lool> I wrote it at RedBoot's offset, but I'm not 100% sure this is correct
[11:22] <janrinze> lool: on what platform were you trying the uBoot?
[11:22] <lool> Babbage 2
[11:22] <lool> It's Freescale iMX51 based
[11:22] <lool> (TO2)
[11:22] <janrinze> sounds nice.. I don't know that board..
[11:23] <janrinze> so i am afraid i am of no help there.
[11:23] <janrinze> # dd if=./mmcblk0.img of=/dev/sdc
[11:23] <janrinze> dd: writing to `/dev/sdc': No space left on device
[11:24] <janrinze> cute.. 512MB flashdisk is too small :-(
[11:25] <lool> Hmm I created a 512 MB file; probably the bard is slightly too small, sorry
[11:26] <lool> You can resize it, it's just an ext3 fs
[11:26] <janrinze> no prob.
[11:26] <lool> or ext4 actually
[11:26] <janrinze> ext4 actually.
[11:26] <janrinze> apparently Debian 5.0 has no ext4 support yet ..
[11:26] <ogra> lool, the uBoot we have is *not* for the B2
[11:27] <ogra> unless you wrote a new one :)
[11:27] <lool> ogra: It's for B1?
[11:27] <ogra> three stack
[11:27] <lool> I found it along B2 stuff
[11:27] <ogra> yeah
[11:27] <lool> Ok; well it's useless to us then
[11:27] <ogra> taoiten thought it was
[11:27] <ogra> *taiten
[11:27] <ogra> but he clearified it for me, i tried the same you did :)
[11:28] <ogra> not sure how one can delete stuff there to get it out of the file list
[11:28] <lool> I didn't see any newer drop than may; I'm grabbing a BSP from 12th of Jun, I don't think it has redboot or uboot but I'll check
[11:29] <janrinze> lool: could you put the rootfs as a tar.bz2 file instead of an image? (hope it is not too much to ask)
[11:29] <lool> ogra: Hmm we have a 20 GB limit
[11:29] <ogra> dd'in a qemu image to an SD wont get you far :)
[11:29] <lool> ogra: The site is cute, but I hate it
[11:29] <ogra> yep
[11:30] <lool> janrinze: It's less easy to use for me; I could I guess, but it's going to take extra steps to use it
[11:30] <janrinze> ogra: mount -o loop won't work on Debian 5.0 since it is ext4.. :-(
[11:30] <lool> While for use with qemu, a fs image is enough
[11:30] <lool> janrinze: You can launch it in qemu
[11:30] <ogra> heh
[11:31] <lool> janrinze: You could create a new disk from the first one from an interactive session
[11:31] <ogra> and copy the contents in qemu
[11:31]  * ogra bets running build-arm-rootfs might be less hassle
[11:31] <lool> janrinze: The easiest is probably to create your own image; using the rootfs creation script should be possible from debian, it needs Ubuntu's debootstrap, and qemu installed
[11:31] <janrinze> ok.. nevermind.. I will mount it in VMware.
[11:32] <ogra> you can just fire up the script and have lunch :) after lunch you will have your image
[11:32] <janrinze> ogra: that is the alternative. :-)
[11:33] <lool> ogra: I don't think files can be removed; I checked the Files tab and that didn't help
[11:33] <lool> perhaps admins can
[11:33] <ogra> likely
[11:33] <ogra> or project leads
[11:33] <ogra> we can ask anmar later
[11:42] <lool> I checked the uboot source and it adds support for some boards, notably mx31, mx35, mx25 and mx51 3stack
[11:42] <lool> No mx51 babbage though
[11:43] <lool> I should poke martyn
[11:52] <ogra_> yeah
[11:53] <lool> Okay, B2 pre-built kernel works fine: it's 2.6.28 and has DVI support; it seems to support MMC
[11:53] <lool> Now I should look into building a cleaner image
[11:53] <ogra_> yes, thats what i'm using with a karmic fs here
[11:53] <lool> We don't have any Ubuntu kernels yet do we?
[11:53] <ogra_> nope
[11:53] <lool> ogra: What are you running on your B1?
[11:53] <ogra_> B1 in the works but not booting yet
[11:54] <ogra_> nothing, i'm just building a rootfs upstairs for debugging, mz B1 itself is sitting in the box until thats there
[11:54] <ogra_> *my
[11:55]  * ogra_ doesnt want to waste deskspace if he doesnt need to
[11:55] <ogra_> and B2 is more stable
[11:55] <lool> bjf_afk: Around?  I don't want to use too much of your time since you're on the critical path to get us 2.6.30/31 kernels for B2, but do you think it would be a small or a large amount of effort to add the B2 patches on top of jaunty's kernel tree (both 2.6.28) so that we have Ubuntu-ish imx51 B2 .debs?
[11:56] <lool> ogra: You could use B1 for jaunty or we could ship it to someone without ARM hardware
[11:56] <ogra_> lool, i fear thats a huge effort
[11:56] <lool> Why so?
[11:56] <ogra_> because he will need to extract the B2 bits separately i guess
[11:56] <ogra_> we only have that 30MB tarball
[11:57] <lool> I don't care if it adds support for other SoCs
[11:57] <ogra_> lool, i will use the B1 with jaunty (thats what i'm builkding atm)
[11:57] <ogra_> i just *didnt* use it up to today since i have the B2 working
[11:57] <ogra_> but for the gnome-applets bug i need a jaunty setup with B1
[11:58] <ogra_> to reproduce what FSL doe
[11:58] <ogra_> ss
[12:00]  * ogra_ notes he needs more SD cards
[12:07] <lool> ogra_: Do you know which FS the FSL binary 2.6.28 B2 kernel supports?
[12:08] <ogra_> ext2
[12:08] <lool> No ext3?
[12:08]  * ogra_ sshs and checks
[12:08] <ogra_> i dont think ext3
[12:08] <lool> Pff
[12:08] <lool> This is really lame
[12:08] <lool> ogra_: Could you grep the config for all supported FSes?  I don't mind using a weird one, but I don't want a fragile one
[12:09] <lool> Perhaps it support ubifs or xfs
[12:09] <ogra_> CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
[12:09] <ogra_> # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XATTR is not set
[12:09] <ogra_> # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XIP is not set
[12:09] <ogra_> CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y
[12:09] <ogra_> CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y
[12:09] <ogra_> # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set
[12:10] <ogra_> no ubifs
[12:10] <lool> Cool
[12:10] <lool> ext3 is fine
[12:10] <ogra_> 2.6.28-191-ga2f78a4
[12:10] <lool> Sounds like the one I'm using
[12:11] <ogra_> good
[12:11] <lool> 2.6.28-191-ga2f78a4 yup
[12:11]  * lool debootstraps
[12:11] <ogra_> natively from scratch ?
[12:11] <lool> No, from host
[12:11] <ogra_> ah
[12:19] <lool> Grumpf, doesn't see the SATA disk over USN
[12:19] <lool> *USB
[12:19] <lool> despite the 10 secs rootdelay
[12:19] <ogra_> give it 20 ?
[12:20]  * ogra_ remembers he had to use 15 at least on the B1 in the beginning
[12:20] <lool> Yeah I'm trying 30
[12:21] <lool> Pff it needed 21  :)
[12:21] <ogra_> heh
[12:21] <lool> It's really long
[12:21] <ogra_> yeah
[12:21] <ogra_> its crap without initramfs
[12:21] <lool> The marvell sata start is blazingly fast
[12:21] <lool> I shoudl try with an USB key, that's probably quickef
[12:21] <ogra_> i suspect its faster if you have the initramfs running in parallel
[12:21] <lool> quicker
[12:22] <lool> But I really want my rootfs on a real disk now that this work so I'll have to wait for this anyway   :-/
[12:22] <ogra_> though we should think about compiling in the USB host drivers on imx51
[12:22] <lool> Perhaps real SATA would be faster
[12:23] <ogra_> well, grab a soldering iron :P
[12:23] <lool> This USB SATA adpater is really cool; it allows me to quickly move drives around and plug/unplug easily to various boards, my desktop and all
[12:23] <lool> No pain
[12:23] <lool> ogra_: I don't think I want to risk the board just to make sure the SATA port work   :-/
[12:23] <ogra_> nice ... though it will still not give you sata speed
[12:24]  * ogra_ prefers a real USB disk with 7500rpm instead
[12:25] <ogra_> saves one layer
[12:49] <lool> ogra_: What do you think is in the USB disk?  :)
[12:50] <ogra_> never disassembled it :)
[12:50] <ogra_> migth be plain ATA
[12:50] <ogra_> and doesnt really matter if you attch through USB :)
[12:58] <lool> The thing is that I can plug SATA disks without rebooting my desktop; it's good for the marvell board at laest
[12:58] <lool> And would be good if I had a SATA connector on the B boards
[12:58] <lool> *sigh*
[12:58] <ogra_> well, USB will do too
[12:59] <lool> Sure, but I'd like to use the SATA port on the marvell and on B if possible
[12:59] <ogra_> i mean ... you wont have either USB nor SATA disk in the production systems anyway
[12:59] <lool> That's native
[13:04] <lool> Crap init doesn't start
[13:04] <ogra_> ouch
[13:05] <lool> Arf no, I'm just being stupid; sorry
[13:05]  * ogra_ just copied over a B1 install and dist-upgraded
[13:05] <lool> I passed init=/bin/sh to the cmdline but I had it hardcoded in the config as well
[13:05] <ogra_> even using update-mamanger :)
[13:06] <lool> A working reboot would be nice
[13:06] <ogra_> heh
[13:06] <lool> ogra_: Is your board also shutting off whenever you press reset, or use reboot?
[13:06] <ogra_> yep
[13:06] <ogra_> since its even with reset from the redboot prompt i think its HW
[13:07] <lool> I wonder whether it's configurable
[13:07] <ogra_> not from the DIP switches at least
[13:07]  * ogra_ checked that
[13:07] <lool> ISTR there are two banks
[13:08] <ogra_> we only have docs for one
[13:19] <lool> ogra_: You have working network/DHCP with B2?
[13:19] <lool> I don't
[13:20] <lool> Link is shown as up, but it doesn't work
[13:21] <lool> Oh here it works now
[13:21] <lool> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
[13:21] <lool> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable
[13:21] <lool> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=849 ms
[13:21] <lool> That's "interestin"
[13:22] <lool> It looks like it needs 30 secs to come up or something
[13:22] <ogra> hmm
[13:22] <lool> Perhaps it doesn't like 1 Gb
[13:22] <ogra> no such probs here
[13:23] <ogra> though the x server needs quite long to come up and i use NM
[13:23]  * ogra runs a 1600x1200 desktop on his B2
[13:23] <lool> eth0: config: auto-negotiation on, 100FDX, 100HDX, 10FDX, 10HDX.
[13:23] <lool> Should work, weird
[13:24] <lool> Oh some OOPSes
[13:24]  * ogra doesnt see 1000 in that list though
[13:24] <lool> Well it should autonegociate, my switch can do less than 1000
[13:25] <ogra> i also dont see any oopses
[13:25] <ogra> my dmesg is clean apart from some noise from the frambuffer i get if i switch the monitor
[13:27] <lool> With a static config it works
[13:27] <ogra> with NM too
[13:27] <ogra> though using karmic here
[13:28] <lool> I have a jaunty userspace, but I don't think it matters much
[13:28] <ogra> oh, err
[13:28] <ogra> wait
[13:28] <ogra> ogra@babbage2:~$ grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces
[13:28] <ogra> auto eth0
[13:28] <ogra> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[13:28] <ogra> hmm, when did i add that
[13:28]  * ogra removes and reboots
[13:28] <lool> That's what I had and it didn't work for me
[13:29] <ogra> works here
[13:29] <ogra> but i want NM to be used
[13:29] <ogra> what is really evil on the B2 is that my serial plug is to big to fit in while DVI is plugged
[13:31] <nettolt> hello everyone
[13:32] <lool> ogra_: Yeah, for me DVI/serial is tight as well but fits
[13:33] <nettolt> I have a zywan router running arcom embedded linux and would like to install ubuntu arm on the device. The unit used redboot to boot the kernel currently. does anyone know where i would start to flash the device to use ubuntu
[13:36] <lool> The B2 on SATA feels snappier than the B1 on SD
[13:36] <lool> nettolt: You have serial console access to redboot?
[13:36] <nettolt> yes i do
[13:37] <lool> nettolt: How does it boot?  kernel + initrd/initramfs?
[13:37] <lool> nettolt: fconfig -l and check the boot script
[13:37] <nettolt> lool: good question
[13:37] <lool> paste here if you like
[13:38] <nettolt> lool: i do not have the decice up and running and was just on my way out to work for the day. I will do this tonight see if you are still around
[13:39]  * lool installs the Ubuntu desktop task on his B2
[13:42] <lool> ogra_: I checked the docs for B2, SW5-10 is to setup the debug board, SW1 and SW2 are personality, SW4 is a setting of the debug board itself, not sure which
[13:43] <lool> I didn't find any detailed doc on the DIP switches, just how to set them up for different tasks
[13:46] <ogra> right, thats all i have as well
[13:46] <ogra> the pdf
[13:47] <lool> It's probably somewhere in the reference manual, but I can't find it by searching for SWx
[13:48] <ogra> you have a reference manual ?
[13:49] <lool> Yes
[13:49]  * ogra checks ... i only have an xls with the DIP switch settings and a silly block diagram pdf
[13:51] <ogra> do you mean BABBAGE-2.1.pdf ?
[13:52] <lool> I'm uploading it
[13:53] <lool> mxc_linux.pdf
[13:53] <ogra> ah, great
[13:53] <ogra> the other one isnt very helpful if you dont want to solder :)
[13:54] <janrinze> lool: i have the image running on the beagleboard. thanks!
[13:55] <lool> Cool
[13:55] <ogra> yay
[13:57] <janrinze> to install GNOME etc.. should I just do apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment ?
[13:57] <lool> janrinze: tasksel
[13:57] <lool> Pick Ubuntu desktop
[13:57] <ogra> is it a 256M board ?
[13:58] <janrinze> never liked tasksel... Yup 256MB
[13:58] <ogra> for 128M i'd recommend swap and xubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <ogra> well, then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <lool> janrinze: tasksel does the right thing though; you can do the same with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[13:58] <ogra> if you dont like tasksel
[13:58] <lool> The caret is important
[13:58] <ogra> the meta package will also do the right thing
[13:59] <ogra> thats why we have it :)
[13:59] <janrinze> i will do a backup first since i use the same SDcard as where i have the Debian 5.0 on.
[13:59] <lool> The meta package wont do the same thing
[14:00] <ogra> then its broken
[14:00] <lool> No
[14:00] <ogra> its what we suggest in all documentation since warty
[14:00] <lool> You should just use the carret notation to pull a task
[14:00] <lool> Well you were wrong
[14:01] <ogra> i didnt write the docs
[14:01] <ogra> and we only use tasks since dapper or so
[14:01] <janrinze> tasksel is just another frontend for apt right?
[14:01] <ogra> which means it was broken for two years at least by your definition
[14:01] <lool> janrinze: Kind of
[14:09] <lool> ogra_: Not using tasks is not the correct thing to do since we use them; mmkay?  :)
[14:11] <ogra> no, what i say is that it has to work either way
[14:14] <lool> ogra_: It's not the same
[14:14] <ogra> i dont say its the same
[14:14] <ogra> i say it has to work reliable either way
[14:15] <lool> Please don't advocate usage of meta packages when the best thing to is to use tasks and is equally simple
[14:16] <ogra> well, i need to fix a million of scripts then ... and i guess the rest of the world too
[14:17]  * ogra wonders why nobody ever discouraged the use of metapackages publically then
[14:18] <ogra> especially given that its recommended on *all* wiki docs we have
[14:18] <ogra> and i doubt the docteam was ever told they should change it
[14:51] <lool> ogra_: I can't upload the imx ref manual for some reason
[14:52] <lool> It just sits there not doing anything
[14:53] <ogra> bah
[14:54] <ogra> well, i'm still fumbling with the pegatron here
[14:54] <ogra> seems the kernel we have is for 3.3, not 5.2
[14:54] <ogra> :(
[14:55] <ogra> i tried the B2 one but that doesnt work either
[19:53] <janrinze> lool: looks like tasksel has changed a lot since i last used it :-)
[19:54] <janrinze> lool: the interface is really simple...