 You can visit your Thank You List to easily keep track of all gifts purchased. "
[20:42] <cmaloney> ???
[20:42] <cmaloney> " Your Amazon Baby Registry Team "
[20:42] <cmaloney> Apparently I have a baby registry?
[20:43] <cmaloney> I'd better tell JoDee. She'd probably like to know.
[20:47] <jrwren> hahahahaha
[21:47] <brousch> You can have a baby registry without having a baby
[21:48] <brousch> Bitcoin has tanked several times. A month ago it was $5000, it recently fell to $3500
[23:19] <brousch> cmaloney: another childless friend of mine got that same pop up from amazon


[16:57] <tsimonq2> pleia2: what happens with comments on the Fridge?
[16:57] <tsimonq2> pleia2: does someone approve them?
[16:57] <tsimonq2> pleia2: or does that not happen?
[16:59] <pleia2> spam is so horrible that we kind of gave up
[16:59] <pleia2> jose clears them out every few months or so
[17:00] <pleia2> tempting to just turn them off altogether tbh
[17:00] <pleia2> even real comments are rarely about the announcement, usually support requests or complaints
[17:00] <tsimonq2> but if there's a post that has only three comments, two of which seem to be good, is it bad to approve them?
[17:00] <tsimonq2> we have the same on lubuntu.me and it's very manageable
[17:01] <pleia2> not bad, just inconsistent
[17:01] <tsimonq2> (that being said, fridge probably has more visitors)
[17:01] <tsimonq2> ok
[17:01] <pleia2> yeah, fridge has a ton of visitors,
[17:01] <pleia2> Pending (38,653)
[17:01] <pleia2> Approved (349) | Spam (6,662)
[17:02] <pleia2> it's been a while since we've gone through them x_x
[17:02] <pleia2> yeah, that's since June 2015
[17:03] <pleia2> so we get about 40k comments/year
[17:03] <jose> lemme go ahead and run akismet right now
[17:03] <tsimonq2> pleia2: it's like the mailman queue for ubuntu-us-wi
[17:03] <tsimonq2> pleia2: thousands of them :P
[17:03] <pleia2> tsimonq2: ouch, I haven't seen a mailing list with this much of a problem
[17:03] <pleia2> ubuntu-marketing is bad, but even that only had a few hundred
[17:04] <pleia2> never seen thousands, do you know why ubuntu-us-wi is so bad?
[17:04] <tsimonq2> because nobody has had access for years
[17:04] <tsimonq2> I got access a few months ago
[17:04] <tsimonq2> 1293 to be exact
[17:04] <pleia2> ah
[17:06] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I feel pretty proud of the fact that one night I got all the messages from 2011-2016 cleared
[17:06] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:06] <tsimonq2> took like two or three hours
[17:06] <pleia2> heh
[17:17] <jose> akismet is now (slowly) running
[17:19] <pleia2> thanks jose
[17:19] <jose> np! things are going to spam :D
[17:20] <jose> so it's working!
[17:20] <pleia2> woo
[18:08] <tsimonq2> pleia2: are the UWN links finished or is there still more to do?
[18:10] <pleia2> tsimonq2: finishing them now
[18:10] <pleia2> but feel free to add some if you find any I missed
[18:12] <tsimonq2> I'll take a look in a min :)


[12:04] <luna> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/issues/2411#issuecomment-1902606967 fixed now


[02:07] <mchelen2> i'm getting the "Attempt to postMessage on disconnected port" error when trying to add gnome extensions via firefox. it was working fine a little while ago
[13:59] <jbicha> ricotz: my problem last night was that I accidentally uploaded the LO files SweetShark signed instead of the ones I signed; so he was getting all the LP reject emails
[14:23] <ricotz> jbicha, oh, I see, that explains it ;)
[14:39] <jbicha> ricotz: do you have an opinion on adding a "GNOME Classic on Wayland" session? LP: #1669922
[14:40] <jbicha> I guess the reason I'm hesitating is then we would have 4 sessions in our default install which seems like it might almost be too much, but I don't know if that's a good reason not to do it


[15:12] <UnivrslSuprBox> Hi, I have a patch in lp:2012949 for a security issue in Universe. Is there anything I need to (or can) do to make it easier to work with for you?
[15:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 2012949 in python-flask-cors (Ubuntu) "CVE-2020-25032 affects python-flask-cors in focal" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012949
[15:22] <sbeattie> UnivrslSuprBox: hey, I'm in the process of looking at it, thanks.
[15:24] <UnivrslSuprBox> Thank you sbeattie
[15:34] <sbeattie> UnivrslSuprBox: FYI, I uploaded the python-flask-cors package to our staging ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages any testing you or anyone can give would be appeciated. I'll followup on the bug as well.
[15:44] <UnivrslSuprBox> sbeattie: got it. I'll give it a shot!
[20:58] <UnivrslSuprBox> sbeattie: put it in the bug as well, seems to be working fine based on examples provided with the software and some of my own.
[21:14] <sbeattie> thanks!


[00:28] <yesitisjustme> can i use lubuntu with 256mb ram?
[00:40] <KM0201> head_victim: u around?
[02:07] <Unit193> KM0201: It's not exactly that as easy as it should be, but GDM does work out of the box (Would work better with a theme...)
[02:07] <KM0201> Unit193: well,  i got no joy out of it and gave up.. honestly, this should be an issue easily addressed by lxdm if you ask me.
[02:08] <KM0201> you could make one theme, where you type usernames, and the other where you "choose" a username.. then be able to choose which one or the other
[02:08] <Unit193> KM0201: May as well install xubuntu-gdm-theme with it to make it work better :P
[02:09] <Unit193> That would be very hard to do
[02:09] <KM0201> why?.. ubuntu does it, xubuntu does, and i think kubuntu does as well.
[02:09] <KM0201> !info slip
[02:10] <Unit193> Doing it with LXDM would require some major code writeup (AFAIK)
[02:10] <KM0201> hmm, well, that wouldn't really be worth it. then
[02:11] <KM0201> there was a program i tried the other day, but it caused serious issues, and i ended up just reinstalling cuz uninstalling it was problematic (got it from a PPA..)
[03:14] <head_victim> KM0201: am now
[03:15] <KM0201> head_victim: i found what i was looking for.. i was trying to find that link you gave me to download 11.10
[03:15] <head_victim> Ah ok sorry, just woke up
[03:16] <KM0201> oh it's ok.
[03:16] <KM0201> i trackedi t down eventually by goin back through my log
[03:54] <yesitisjustme> is mobile broadband working on lubuntu?
[04:00] <KM0201> yesitisjustme: why wouldn't it be?
[04:01] <KM0201> does it work in Ubuntu
[04:01] <KM0201> ?
[04:07] <yesitisjustme> just asking to be sure before download
[04:07] <yesitisjustme> i think a early version of ubuntu wireless was not working thats why
[04:08] <KM0201> it all depends on your device, and whether ubuntu supports it
[04:08] <KM0201> if ubuntu supports it, then Lubuntu supports it, as Lubuntu, basically using the same networking program that Ubuntu does
[04:08] <yesitisjustme> but other versions of ubuntu detected the wireless but a particular version did not forgot what version it was
[04:10] <KM0201> no
[04:10] <KM0201> if they were all the same "version".. ie, 9.04, 9.10, 10.04... they all have the same kernel, so they will all detect hardware the same way
[04:11] <KM0201> now if you're talking about.. 8.04 didn't detect it, and 9.04 did... (or something like that) then that is possible
[04:12] <yesitisjustme> yes the same version on ubuntu and kubuntu ect i think all had same problem it was only a certain version
[04:12] <KM0201> ok... thats possible.
[04:13] <KM0201> when you say "version".. do you mean "release".. (9.04, 9.10, 10.04) or "version" (ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, etc..)
[04:13] <yesitisjustme> i mean release like like 9.04, 9.10. 10.04 ect,
[04:14] <KM0201> just trying understand.. and yeah, if one "release" had the problem, then they will all have it.. but if it works on one release, it should work on all the versions... it might configure a little differently w/ the different GUI tools, but it should work fine.
[04:16] <yesitisjustme> lubuntu has the network manager by default?
[04:17] <KM0201> yesitisjustme: of course it does.
[04:17] <KM0201> has the same network manager as Gnome, if i recall.
[04:17] <yesitisjustme> ok
[04:19] <yesitisjustme> and is not using firefox is using chromium or wich browser is lubuntu using now?
[04:22] <KM0201> yesitisjustme: yes, it's using chromium.
[04:22] <KM0201> but you can install firefox if you want it.
[04:22] <yesitisjustme> ok
[05:09] <lubuntuinternet> hey
[05:10] <KM0201> hey's for horses, grass is cheaper.. :)
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> i just installed Lubuntu for the first time, and the internet worked without a problem on the first load right after the installation, but the internet conenction stoped working after i rebooted
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> i tried playing around with settings but there seems to be no "connect" button
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> just add or remove networks buttons
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> ...?
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> ;[
[05:14] <KM0201> wireless, wired?
[05:14] <lubuntuinternet> wired
[05:14] <lubuntuinternet> desktop computer
[05:15] <KM0201> hmm.
[05:20] <KM0201> right click your networking applet, edit connections, highlight auto eth0, and make sure "available to all users, an "connect automatically" are checked
[05:23] <KM0201> lubuntuinternet: ?
[05:26] <lubuntuinternet> yeah i tried that and it never worked
[05:26] <lubuntuinternet> then i decided to install all the updates from the "update manager" from when the internet was working
[05:27] <lubuntuinternet> and the "auto eth0" option dissapered as well
[05:27] <lubuntuinternet> after the updaters
[05:27] <lubuntuinternet> updates
[05:27] <KM0201> hmm, that is strange
[05:28] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, open terminal and say: ifconfig
[05:28] <bioterror> can you see eth0 there?
[05:28] <KM0201> i was just gonna say try ifup eth0
[05:29] <lubuntuinternet> nope
[05:29] <bioterror> not good
[05:29] <bioterror> when you boot
[05:29] <bioterror> do you get that menu?
[05:29] <bioterror> GRUB Menu?
[05:31] <lubuntuinternet> no
[05:32] <KM0201> ..
[05:32] <bioterror> gotta check my wife's laptop :D
[05:32] <KM0201> so you're not getting a grub menu?... how are you booting to Lubuntu then?
[05:32] <lubuntuinternet> i dunno
[05:32] <lubuntuinternet> it jsut did
[05:32] <bioterror> KM0201, becouse it's hidden
[05:32] <lubuntuinternet> ;]
[05:32] <bioterror> you have to press shift or esc on boot to get it shown
[05:32] <KM0201> ah, good point.
[05:33] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, in terminal: ls /boot
[05:33] <bioterror> vmlinuz-2.6.38-10-generic
[05:33] <KM0201> i didn't realize he was on a single boot machine, eh's here, so i figured he was dual booting
[05:33] <bioterror> how many vmlinuz -files you have there+
[05:34] <lubuntuinternet> nah i
[05:34] <lubuntuinternet> m using another computer for this chat
[05:34] <lubuntuinternet> bioterror: 1
[05:34] <bioterror> okay, someone said autoremove or :---)
[05:35] <lubuntuinternet> hey auto eht0 just showed back up
[05:35] <lubuntuinternet> as one of the options
[05:36] <KM0201> ..
[05:36] <lubuntuinternet> but it still doesn't work
[05:36] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, in terminal: lspci |grep Ether
[05:36] <bioterror> does it reply you something?
[05:37]  * KM0201 thinks you missed a space in there
[05:37] <KM0201> hmm, guess that space isn't required.
[05:37] <KM0201> i'll be
[05:37] <bioterror> KM0201, what are you talking about?
[05:38] <KM0201> nothing
[05:38] <KM0201> i thouht a space was required after |
[05:38] <KM0201> i see it works either way
[05:39] <lubuntuinternet> 00:12 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX [Linksys Ether Fast 10/100 (rev 25)
[05:39] <lubuntuinternet> was what came up
[05:39] <bioterror> niiiice
[05:39] <bioterror> it is shown but does not work
[05:39] <lubuntuinternet> but it work right after the install
[05:39] <lubuntuinternet> adn stopped after reboot
[05:43] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, what kind of hardware you have? you seem to have laptop?
[05:44] <bioterror> what's the brand?
[05:44] <lubuntuinternet> its a desktop
[05:45] <lubuntuinternet> obsolete brand
[05:45] <lubuntuinternet> Micron PC
[05:45] <lubuntuinternet> ;p
[05:45] <lubuntuinternet> from 2000
[05:45] <bioterror> okay
[05:45] <bioterror> can you check BIOS
[05:45] <bioterror> if there's OS=Something
[05:47] <KM0201> hmm
[05:48] <lubuntuinternet> cant find it
[05:55] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, sudo modprobe tulip
[05:56] <bioterror> can you now see it when using ifconfig ?
[06:01] <lubuntuinternet> no
[06:02] <lubuntuinternet> and now i lost the auto eth0 option again with this reboot
[06:03] <lubuntuinternet> ...i think i'll just do a c:format and do a fresh install
[06:03] <bioterror> I think it wont help, but why not
[06:03] <lubuntuinternet> and just never reboot or shut down
[06:04] <bioterror> :D
[06:04] <lubuntuinternet> thanks for the help
[06:06] <bioterror> or try another distro
[06:06] <bioterror> fedora or suse
[06:06] <bioterror> ;)
[06:06] <KM0201> if you get no joy from Ubuntu, Fedora is your best bet, IMO.
[06:07] <KM0201> strange, the problem he's having though
[07:13] <john_rambo> Is there a GUI for searching files in lubuntu ?
[07:13] <KM0201> !info catfish
[07:13] <KM0201> if ther'es not, there's one you can install
[07:14] <john_rambo> KM0201, installing catfish ......
[07:17] <john_rambo> KM0201, Worked ....Thanks
[07:17] <KM0201> np.. :)
[07:17] <KM0201> john_rambo: there's another one called "Beagle" i do believe
[07:27] <bioterror> those are indexed searches
[07:27] <bioterror> lurks what files has inside them
[08:37] <john_rambo> needed a graphical diskspace monitor ...installed conky ....but it doesn't start >> http://pastebin.com/fg9naeFM
[08:38] <john_rambo> any alternate solution will do
[08:44] <stlsaint> john_rambo: i use disk usage analyzer
[08:45] <john_rambo> stlsaint, Is it installed in Lubuntu by default ? If not what is the name of the package ?
[08:48] <stlsaint> john_rambo: oh sorry, i would have to boot back into lubuntu to tell you, there are many if you jsut wanted to view them within the repository
[08:49] <john_rambo> stlsaint, no stop]
[08:49] <john_rambo> stlsaint, found it "baobab
[08:49] <john_rambo> "
[08:50] <stlsaint> john_rambo: ah yes i have that
[08:52] <john_rambo> stlsaint,  Thanks / Bye
[09:19] <phil_> Hey all. Any one alive in here? :P
[13:27] <thinkstu> Salam everyone
[13:28] <thinkstu> I want to use a light ubuntu version, I found Lubuntu and Xubuntu - I'm not sure what's the different can anyone explain please ?
[13:29] <thinkstu> anyone there ?
[13:46] <phillw> thinkstu: lubuntu is less resource hungry than xubuntu
[13:48] <phillw> xubuntu is based on the xcfe desktop system and comes with different applications to lubuntu which uses the lxde desktop.
[15:08] <dholbach> hello
[15:09] <dholbach> who would be interested in giving a talk about Lubuntu at Ubuntu Developer Week?
[15:09] <dholbach> we still have one slot open and it'd be great to hear more about how things are going and how people can help out
[15:26] <phillw> dholbach: Yes, I'd be up for that.
[15:26] <dholbach> phillw: awesome!
[15:26] <phillw> I am assuming it is on-line discussion!
[15:27] <dholbach> phillw: can you PM me your email address - I'd CC you into a conversation I started with gilir and jmarsden, so you can coordinate together
[15:27] <dholbach> yes, it'd be a one-hour IRC session where you present and probably get a number of questions from the audience :)
[15:27] <phillw> dholbach: my email address is not a secret<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:27] <dholbach> you are a rock star
[15:27] <phillw> similar to a classroom session, I'll try to turn up on time!
[15:28] <dholbach> would Fri 15th Jul, 19:00 UTC generally work out for you?
[15:28] <dholbach> yes, it'd be in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:28] <phillw> that would be fine.
[15:28] <dholbach> awesome
[15:28] <dholbach> I'll pencil you in and CC you into the conversation
[15:28] <dholbach> man, you make me very happy
[15:28] <dholbach> awesome!
[15:28] <phillw> good, the alpha2 will have been out for a week by then for 11-10
[15:29] <bioterror> 11.10 ;)
[15:29] <phillw> bioterror: except via the usa system, where it would be 10.11 :P
[15:29] <dholbach> but it'll still be a good time for people to get involved and probably fix a few bugs :)
[15:30] <phillw> dholbach: we are hoping for more good news by then, but have to wait for the announcement
[15:30] <dholbach> excellent
[16:32] <beetlejooz> what is the default login for the live cd install? I did the install and now it's prompting me to login but I didn't set those credentials during the install
[16:33] <beetlejooz> I've tried ubuntu:ubuntu, lubuntu:lubuntu, blank:blank: lubuntu:blank, ubuntu:blank...nothing works
[16:34] <beetlejooz> anyone know?
[16:35] <bioterror> you've specified user and password during installation
[16:35] <beetlejooz> no
[16:35] <beetlejooz> it didn't ask me
[16:35] <bioterror> it's impossible to continue without those steps
[16:35] <beetlejooz> it must be possible because i did it
[16:36] <beetlejooz> run the install from the desktop icon
[16:36] <beetlejooz> never asked me for a pw
[16:36] <beetlejooz> or user
[16:36] <bioterror> it asks for a computers name, your name
[16:36] <beetlejooz> it didn't
[16:36] <beetlejooz> ask me
[16:36] <beetlejooz> for
[16:36] <beetlejooz> squat
[16:36] <beetlejooz> lol
[17:07] <kaipanoi_> Just wanted to say thanks. Lubuntu is a welcome respite to the insanity that is Unity, Gnome 3 & KDE 4. I feel like a real Linux user again.
[17:11] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: yup, i'm head over heels for lxde... and i was a gnome slut for a long time.. Unity never really tripped my trigger, I hate any version of KDE, and i've used Gnome 3 on Suse, an am not that impressed.
[17:12] <KM0201> xfce still has that aura of simplicity, but it has gradually been getting very bloated over the last few releases... I hope lxde never takes that path, but there's a few "extras" i'd like to see in Lubuntu.
[17:13] <phillw> KM0201: provided they take up no disk space, or RAM / CPU when running we are always open to new programmes (You have NO idea how close to the truth that is!)
[17:14] <kaipanoi_> KM0201: I agree. XFCE tries to strike a balance, but I think they miss on a lot of stuff. Maybe it's just the Ubuntu packaging of XFCE, I don't know.
[17:14] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: i've noticed it on other xfce releases as well (Fedora, and a couple others)
[17:15] <kaipanoi_> Ah.
[17:15] <kaipanoi_> What do you guys use to edit the keyboard shortcuts in OB? XML in nano gets old...
[17:17] <KM0201> phillw: mainly relating to the login screen.. i'd like an option to "click" a user, then enter a password, rather than always having to type a username
[17:18] <KM0201> i tried some of the other options Unit193 mentinoed yesterday, but they ended up causing several issues, so i had to remove them.
[17:20] <KM0201> brb
[17:20] <kaipanoi_> have a look at /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[17:20] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: ok, brb... then we might discuss it.
[17:22] <KM0201> ok, back
[17:22] <KM0201> gonna put lubuntu in vbox so i can try some of these other options w/o to much headache
[17:24] <kaipanoi_> good idea
[17:24] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: yah, i nearly bricked my install yesterday trying gdm... had to boot recovery mode to get it completely removed and get back to a useable lxde desktop
[17:25] <kaipanoi_> really? I wouldn't imagine it would be that annoying
[17:25] <KM0201> but anyway.. you know how w/ the Ubuntu (and for that matter, Xubuntu, adn to my knowledge, Kubuntu)... the login window, you can click the user names, rather than type them.
[17:25] <kaipanoi_> yes
[17:25] <kaipanoi_> (a small security risk, if you ask me ;) )
[17:26] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: oh it was crazy... i installed it, and it all went well, then the first time i logged in, it worked, then immediately logged me out, then after that, it just put me on a loop, i'd log in, then it would just take me right back to the login screen
[17:26] <kaipanoi_> Guessing passwords is only half as difficult as guessing username/password pairs ;)
[17:26] <KM0201> yeah, i know.. but.. seriously, my parents.. they can't remember crap like this.
[17:26] <kaipanoi_> weird. I'll avoid that then
[17:26] <KM0201> yeah, it was all sorts of fun
[17:27] <kaipanoi_> I think you can pick a different theme and change the conf file http://askubuntu.com/questions/39613/how-to-enable-user-list-in-lxdm-login-manager
[17:27] <kaipanoi_> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1953
[17:27] <KM0201> if thats possible, you'll be my best friend
[17:27] <KM0201> lemme take a gander
[17:29] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: oh wait, i did try that.
[17:29] <kaipanoi_> what theme did you install after changing the configuration file?
[17:29] <KM0201> oh i never installed a theme, i guess that would help
[17:30] <kaipanoi_> I don't seem them on http://box-look.org/
[17:31] <KM0201> yeah, i don't wana change my whole theme, just the login window
[17:31] <kaipanoi_> Right
[17:32] <kaipanoi_> Proof it's doable: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/File:LXDM.png
[17:32] <KM0201> yeah
[17:32] <KM0201> Unit193: actually told me how to do that yesterday, and it didn't work out all that well either
[17:33] <kaipanoi_> subscribe? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/666590
[17:33] <KM0201> k
[17:34] <KM0201> least i know i'm not the only one interested in that
[17:38] <kaipanoi_> I found the themes location /usr/share/lxdm/themes/
[17:39] <kaipanoi_> my /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf has "theme=Industrial" by default
[17:40] <KM0201> hmm
[17:41] <KM0201> i don't know a lot about themeing... i could theme Gnome pretty well, but never really tried w/ lxde
[17:41] <KM0201> i just got good at editing the menus/icons w/ the .desktop files.
[17:46] <KM0201> hmm, lubuntu won't boot in vbox for some reason
[17:51] <KM0201> i guess i can try a mini-iso then put lubuntu on top of that
[17:52] <KM0201> that'll let me safely try to figure this out w/ causing a mess again..lol
[17:58] <KM0201> you know one other minor theming issue i'd like to see phillw
[17:58] <KM0201> i don't think this is a "theme" issue though.
[17:58] <KM0201> its a configuration of lxde
[18:00] <KM0201> you know how on the panel, you can have the "desktop pager"...  on Gnome, Xfce, and i'm assuming KDE... you can set how this displas your workspaces, for instance, 2x2, 3x3, etc.. rather than if you have 4 work spaces, it will display them all in one row, taking up half the panel.
[18:16] <kaipanoi_> Yeah, the pager only supports one "row" of vDesktops
[18:17] <kaipanoi_> at 1920x1200, I never need more than 2 or 3 though ;)
[18:18] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: lol, my desktop its no big deal, as it has dual 19in screens
[18:18] <bioterror> I need 2 on laptop and 4 on desktop
[18:18] <KM0201> my laptop w/ a 15in screen.. i need 2, my netbook, i need 4
[18:18] <KM0201> it's not to bad though, i've gotten kinda used to middle clicking to navigate among my works paces.. but i wish the desktop pager had that option.
[18:19] <kaipanoi_> careful what you wish for. avoiding feature bloat is what brought us to LXDE to begin with ;)
[18:19] <kaipanoi_> do you remember LXDE in 10.04? yeesh...
[18:20] <kaipanoi_> it didn't handle corners as well
[18:20] <kaipanoi_> the menu button was a few pixels away from the bottom left corner. same for the close button on the top right corner in a maximized window
[18:20] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: never used it in 10.04
[18:20] <KM0201> only started using 11.04 when Gnome was switched out for Unity, and after trying Gnome 3, i don't have high hopes for it either.. decided it was time tos tart looking for alternatives
[18:21] <KM0201> i'm not much of a procrastinator when i know change is coming
[18:23] <AmberJ> Hello
[18:24] <KM0201> o/
[18:24] <AmberJ> phillw, there?
[21:24] <owneroperator> Anyone know how to contact  Chris Druif?  On https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels
[21:25] <owneroperator> There is an typo in the script for Remove Old Kernels.  dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2
[21:26] <Unit193> You can fix it, it's a wiki after all (As long as you KNOW what you're doing)
[21:28] <owneroperator> Should read: dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2  (<1>) and lower case <l > are easily confused)
[21:29] <owneroperator> O'm learning.  I did change the line in the terminal and it worked.
[21:30] <owneroperator> so, thanx and it is a nice day.
[22:02] <Phosphenes> What would be the equivalent of a .bat file for linux?
[22:03] <phillw> .sh
[22:03] <Phosphenes> Thanks
[22:03] <Phosphenes> You may have my firstborn child.
[22:04] <Unit193> You save your firstborn for something REALLY big...
[22:05] <elros> like what is the equivalent of 'dir' in linux
[22:05] <Phosphenes> lol
[22:05] <Phosphenes> I don't even know what dir is... O.o
[22:06] <Unit193> elros: ls -a -R
[22:06] <Unit193> ;)
[22:06] <elros> o/ high five
[22:07] <Unit193> \o but ls / -a -R  might be more fun...
[22:07] <phillw> Phosphenes: have a read through http://ubuntu-manual.org/download/10.04e2/en_US/screen It is free to download and has been written by the guys who are involved in support.
[22:08] <Phosphenes> Cool thanks.
[22:09] <Phosphenes> I don't imagine things would have changed so drastically as to make this invalid for 11.04..?
[22:10] <kaipanoi_> make *what* invalid
[22:10] <Phosphenes> This manual for 10.04
[22:12] <elros> it seems to be on a very general level, so I'd say it's not obsolete for 11.04
[22:12] <Phosphenes> Didn't think so.
[22:12] <elros> the biggest difference is gnome 2.30 vs unity
[22:14] <Phosphenes> Is unity replacing gnome in ubuntu?
[22:15] <elros> unity is the netbook interface fitted to desktop in regular ubuntu, default in 11.04
[22:15] <KM0201> Phosphenes: pretty sure.
[22:16] <KM0201> elros: yes, but Unity is going to be default from here on out... netbook or not
[22:16] <elros> if you use lxde / lubuntu, there are no big changes
[22:16] <elros> well see, maybe gnome 3.2 / 3.4 will be default in 12.04
[22:16] <KM0201> elros: i doubt it... if that were the case, they'd just held off on switching from gnome 2.x
[22:17] <KM0201> to put all this work into unity, only to turn back to gnome, would be crazy
[22:18] <Phosphenes> Is there a huge difference between them?
[22:20] <KM0201> between what?
[22:20] <KM0201> unity and gnome 3?  yes
[22:28] <kylpo> Openbox is my main reason for using Lubuntu
[22:28] <kylpo> soo much better, imo, than unity or gnome 3
[22:30] <KM0201> gnome 3 isn't bad, really unity isn't to bad either (yeah it has some bugs, but they'll get those worked out).... both are only good if you have the hardware to run them and not get bogged down
[22:30] <KM0201> my PC, can run them, but my laptop canot, and i've gotten totally hooked on lxde, so i'll be using it on my PC also.
[22:30] <kylpo> Openbox + kupfer > all else :P
[22:32] <KM0201> well, i don't know what kupfer is..lol
[22:32] <KM0201> so i'll just say Openbox > all else
[22:33] <kylpo> KM0201: Ooh! Try it out! It's a fast, keyboard driven app launcher
[22:33] <kylpo> It's a bit like what unity has introduced, but without the latency, and has more plugins available.
[22:34] <KM0201> kylpo: meh.. doesnt sound like something useful tom e
[22:34] <kylpo> KM0201: What's our current way of launching apps?
[22:35] <KM0201> kylpo: menu, common apps (xchat, pidgin, chrome, skype, etc..) i have linked in the panel
[22:37] <kylpo> KM0201: I think you might enjoy a launcher. Launching Chrome, for instance, I type 'Super + Space, "ch", enter'
[22:37] <KM0201> kylpo: i just click an icon in my panel
[22:37] <KM0201> :)
[22:38] <kylpo> KM0201: It has auto completion based on usage
[22:38] <KM0201> i've found when i set up keyboard shortcuts, i never use them, so it's pointless to set them up.
[22:39] <kylpo> KM0201: Sure, whatever works for you :)
[22:40] <KM0201> see, if i was using Gatesian software, they would say "Here, this works best for you"
[22:40] <KM0201> :)


[08:40] <elfy> good day channel, I'm trying to install with the mini iso for a test xubuntu, it's failing to find kernel modules - from tty4 it appears to be looking for 3.16.0-6 still - not really sure who to talk to about that :)
[08:45] <infinity> elfy: Where did you download said mini.iso from?  The current one in utopic would certainly be looking for -10
[08:45] <elfy> infinity: mmm - probably one I had from the other day ...
[08:46] <elfy> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[08:47] <elfy> infinity: no - I got it again from there ^^
[08:47] <elfy> on saturday
[08:49] <infinity> Well, 336 (ie: current) was definitely built against -10, so I'm not sure what to say, unless you have an angry proxy between you and the real file.
[08:49] <infinity> Or a failure to actually write it to your media?  I've made that mistake before. :P
[08:50] <elfy> nope - no angry proxies - and I'm as positive as I can be that I wrote it to media, which is just a partition here - booting with a vm
[08:51] <elfy> I'm just running through a trusty one to get the testcase right, then I'll have another go with the utopic one - which I am completely sure I've just written to the partition :)
[08:56] <elfy> infinity: ok - well that's all conspired to make me look daft as a brush ... thanks anyway :)
[10:35] <bluesabre> infinity: can you add menulibre to the xubuntu packageset for trusty/utopic? I thought it had already been added, but I guess I've just been doing debian syncs all cycle
[11:32] <Mirv> I wonder what's up with proposed migration of libaccounts-qt, libaccounts-glib and ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts? I'm not seeing them even in update_output, and they were published in proposed >1h ago.
[11:39] <Mirv> ok, that was an useful complaint, now they are there. odd delay.
[13:09] <Wellark> who could take care of these
[13:09] <Wellark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libhud-qt/+bug/1360671
[13:09] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1360671 in libhud-qt "drop from archive" [Undecided,New]
[13:09] <Wellark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/share-app/+bug/1360670
[13:09] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1360670 in share-app "drop from archive" [Undecided,New]
[14:49] <sconklin> Lately I've been having a lot of problems with the US archives, yet there are no updates on the Ubuntu Status twitter account (since June). Is there a problem? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8141244/
[14:51] <stgraber> sconklin: to be accurate, that's the EC2 US East archive (hosted in EC2), not the US archive (hosted by Canonical in 1SS)
[14:51] <stgraber> utlemming: ^
[14:53] <sconklin> stgraber: yes, but the reason I switched to the ec2 archive is because I was getting repeated errors from the Canonical one a couple of weeks ago
[14:53] <sconklin> I no longer have those error logs
[14:54] <stgraber> sconklin: rcj just escalated this issue to #is
[14:54] <sconklin> ok, thanks
[14:55] <sconklin> what's the appropriate reporting path for archive issues? Not IRC, I would hope
[15:08] <utlemming> sconklin: the reporting path would be to drop into #ubuntu-mirrors
[15:08] <sconklin> utlemming: thanks!
[15:09] <utlemming> sconklin: however, to address the repeated errors, we have engineering on that problem. It is an absolute requirement to have rock stable mirrors. We're aware and working on it.
[15:10] <utlemming> sconklin: what I think you hit was a problem where S3 is "eventually consistant". In repeated launches, it looks like the issue is cleared. You may need to purge /var/lib/apt/lists/* and run "apt-get update"
[15:10] <sconklin> utlemming: if I wanted to set up an official full mirror, sponsored and maintained, where would I start - is asing in #ubuntu-mirrors also approriate for that?
[15:10] <utlemming> sconklin: that would be the place to start, yes
[15:57] <infinity> rtg: Dude.  If you're going to upload packages I maintain, at least version them correctly.
[15:58] <infinity> rtg: (or ask...)
[15:58] <rtg> infinity, which one ? utopic or trusty ?
[15:58] <infinity> rtg: Yes.
[15:58] <infinity> rtg: utopic was wrong, which leads to trusty being more wrong. :)
[15:59] <rtg> hmm, no good deed goes unpunished
[15:59] <infinity> Quite.
[15:59] <infinity> rtg: An upstream version rev ahead of Debian should be -0ubuntuX
[15:59] <infinity> rtg: So Debian's -1 will trump it.
[15:59] <infinity> rtg: Or, again, just ask me and I would have updated it in Debian and synced.
[16:00] <rtg> infinity, same for powerpc-utils ?
[16:00] <infinity> rtg: Oh no.
[16:00] <infinity> rtg: What did you do to powerpc-utils?
[16:00] <rtg> nothing yet, but was planning the same buthery
[16:00] <rtg> butchery*
[16:00] <infinity> rtg: Yeah, please don't.
[16:01] <infinity> rtg: And please don't take IBM at their word that all of these should be wholesale SRUed back to trusty either.
[16:01] <rtg> I was just cleaning up bugs with the ppc64le tag
[16:02] <infinity> rtg: Kay.  The userspace stuff, I'd prefer if you assign it in my direction, and I can sort out who should own it (though ppc-*-utils and librtas really are me, in that I maintain them in Debian too)
[16:02] <rtg> infinity, so, do you wanna reject trusty librtas ?
[16:02] <infinity> I will, yes.
[16:02] <rtg> I will slink away and do something else
[16:02] <infinity> I can probably yank the utopic one too, before anything ends up depending on it. :P
[16:03] <infinity> Aww, dang, it migrated.
[16:05] <infinity> rtg: Sorry, not trying to be a jerk about it.  And if you'd just versioned with -0ubuntuX, I'd care less, cause I could just overwrite it with a Debian upload.
[16:06] <rtg> ok, lesson learned
[16:06] <infinity> rtg: So, please do remember proper "we're ahead of Debian" versioning in the future. :)
[16:24] <zul> can someone have a look at oslo-config i think its stuck in the proposed-migration or something
[16:37] <infinity> zul: Or it no longer produces half its binaries.
[16:37] <infinity> out of date on i386: python-oslo.config-doc, python3-oslo.config (from 1:1.3.0-2ubuntu1)
[16:39] <infinity> zul: It looks like you completely reverted the Debian merge you'd done earlier.
[16:48] <zul> infinity:  yeah it got superseeded by a newer requirement for keystone
[16:48] <zul> infinity:  ill see what i can do
[22:52] <robru> is anybody around with the power to nuke queuebot? it is flipping it's shit in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[22:53] <robru> it has somehow become stuck on a single message and is repeating it every time it polls. I even changed the status and it won't report the new status or stop reporting the old status.
[22:54] <DalekSec> I presume stgraber isn't around?
[22:56] <robru> oh, just noticed he's in this channel. he isn't in ci-eng channel
[22:57] <robru> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8144951/ so that's a thing
[22:58] <wxl> we close to beta1 testing yet?


[03:43] <guiverc> @Bree Runway Stan Account, upgrades from 18.04/LXDE to a LXQt release are not supported (due to problems that are encountered) which is why the release notes say to re-install.
[03:43] <guiverc> see https://lubuntu.me/focal-2-released/
[03:43] <guiverc> "due to the extensive changes required for the shift in desktop environments, the Lubuntu team does not support upgrading from 18.04 or below to any greater release. Doing so will result in a broken system. If you are on 18.04 or below and would like to upgrade, please do a fresh install."
[03:45] <guiverc> you could check fonts given image, but there are a lot of things that are left 'hanging' with LXDE upgraded to LXQt that need fixing... some notes were written on making changes (18.04->18.10 cycle) but are no longer published as issues varied on packages installed etc & it was difficult to support, thus is unsupported by Lubuntu
[03:47] <guiverc> fyi:  it's possible yes, my own system was upgraded... but it can take a lot of time & effort to fix the issues... re-install is far faster
[10:11] <hollow> question, is there an lubuntu 21.04 raspberry pi 4 version?
[10:13] <Maik> hollow: no
[10:14] <hollow> @Malk i see.. hopefully there will be one when the next lts release
[10:15] <Maik> all depends on how many people participate in developing and testing it, the lack of testers and team members of every ubunut flavor prevents it from being a thing
[10:16] <Maik> i asked in xubuntu once and they aren't willing to do it, at least not for the forseeable future
[10:17] <hollow> yea i can understand that.. a lot of work is already going into the x86 versions.. so that is understandable
[10:20] <Maik> x86? that means 32 bit. ;)
 That doesn't (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Maik> x86? that means 32 bit. ;))
[22:23] <Maik> @emergencyrussia x86 is 32 bit, x64 means 64 bit, look it up
 The instruction set is X86 for the both cases. It can be 16bit, 32bit or 64bit (x86-64). Check Wikipedia page for x86 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Maik> @emergencyrussia x86 is 32 bit, x64 means 64 bit, look it up)
[22:29] <guiverc> @emergencyrussia, yes historically x86 was 16, 32 then 64bit (incorporating amd64) but a pretty large convention has moved away from that (inc. microsoft) who use x86 only for 32-bit today (ignoring 16-bit).  only dead languages don't change...   best to avoid 'vague' terms


[14:27] <niluje> Is there a reason why cloud-init doesn't have a test_requires in its setup.py?
[14:32] <smoser> niluje, not a good one. i'm a python-tools neophyte
[14:33] <niluje> smoser: you are the one who packaged cloud-init?
[14:34] <niluje> smoser: https://github.com/brmzkw/dyntftpd/blob/master/setup.py
[14:34] <niluje> I have a basic setup.py here
[14:34] <smoser> niluje, we use tox, and tox reads requirements and test-requirements
[14:34] <niluje> tests_require is a nice to have, so you can run "pip install -e ." to install the packaages in editable mode
[14:35] <niluje> oh
[14:35] <smoser> so theres probably just some overlap in functionality
[14:35] <niluje> ok great, I didn't see the tox.ini, only the Makefile and I tried to run nosetests manually
[14:35] <niluje> I guess make test should install and run nose then
[14:36] <smoser> niluje, its kind of in both places...
[14:36] <smoser> i have 2 different thing si need to support
[14:36] <smoser> a.) running and installing with ubuntu packaging (system python dependencies)
[14:37] <smoser> b.) testing without installing those packages (tox)
[14:37] <niluje> ok
[14:37] <niluje> then adding tests_require in the setup.py seems to be a good idea :p
[18:10] <natorious> smoser: been looking at cloudbase-init for reference.  Their using wmi and win32api both which are not part of stdlib.  It'd be nice to get everything working using ctypes.windll or similar
[18:10] <smoser> yeah, agree.
[18:10] <smoser> want as much as possible to be stdlib
[18:13] <natorious> did a bit more refactoring and I think moving away from network interfaces content can be better accomplished by using a sources helper to convert that into a similar network json format.  As in data source network_config should always return the same type and structure.  If static networking is moving towards network json, for backwards compat, it should convert an interfaces content file to network json to return
[18:14] <natorious> I'm gonna dive into the windows partition label detection and hopefully get something decent soon
[18:15] <alexpilotti_> natorious: what is the reason why you want to avoid pywin32?
[18:17] <natorious> alexpilotti: if were trying to make things as close to stdlib as possible, might as well not start w/ dependencies
[18:17] <natorious> alexpilotti_: ^^
[18:18] <alexpilotti_> natorious: and for networks, we are already working on the new json format, that’s independent from pywin32 as we use ctypes for all networking stuff
[18:18] <alexpilotti_> WMI wont depend on pywin32 for long
[18:19] <alexpilotti_> we’re rewriting that module to avoid any COM usage
[18:19] <alexpilotti_> most modern APIs dont use Win32, but WMI
[18:20] <alexpilotti_> for example storage management is no entirely based on WMI, while previously was based on COM
[18:20] <natorious> alexpilotti_: right.  The networking bit is for linux as much as windows.  How the datasources should handle returning either or but return the same type consistently
[18:20] <alexpilotti_> there should be an abstraction, with a clear interface
[18:20] <alexpilotti_> that’s what we are doing for most stuff in cloud-init V2
[18:21] <alexpilotti_> btw smoser: how’s work going on V2?
[18:21] <natorious> im at a point of needing to detect configdrive partitions for v2 via datasource
[18:22] <natorious> and would like to attempt using stdlib before the alternatives
[18:22] <natorious> fwiw
[18:22] <natorious> bbiab
[19:32] <akostadinov1> Hello, I was wondering how to make cloud-init restart machine after package upgrade?
[19:32] <akostadinov1> it is usually required to restart so updates take effect. Like e.g. kernel upgrades/
[19:33] <akostadinov1> otherwise package upgrade is of limited help
[19:33] <akostadinov1> is there any switch to request that?
[19:56] <smoser> akostadinov1, in ubuntu it shoudl generally work.
[19:57] <smoser> probably not supported in rpm based
[19:57] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt#L16
[20:11] <akostadinov1> smoser: too bad :/ running on RPM


[00:17] <azend> So I hear it's tablet time
[06:43] <BobJonkman> I wonder how soon we'll see anything like that in Canada


[00:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: yup, -settings and embed windows
[00:18] <Unit193> Also I vote for a tumbler release.


[07:49] <LaserJock> anybody around?
[08:10] <nixternal> whats up
[08:10] <LaserJock> this Russian thing
[08:10] <nixternal> there are mad Russians wanting to crusht he doc team
[08:10] <nixternal> haha
[08:10] <LaserJock> on the ML
[08:10] <nixternal> yes
[08:11] <nixternal> i looked at this previously...im not 100% sure on how to fix the issue, but I can look at it a little more if need be
[08:11] <nixternal> their issue is legit, as the bug has been posted for a while now
[08:12] <LaserJock> right
[08:12] <LaserJock> but mdke has been the only one building .pdfs
[08:12] <LaserJock> and even if we *could* build them, I don't know that anyof us can update the website
[08:12] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure
[08:13] <nixternal> ahh, well we might be able to ping newz2000 and see if he can, and I thought imbrandon had some website admin credentials as well
[08:14] <LaserJock> well, if we can figure out the fonts we could give it a shot
[08:16] <nixternal> hmm..you know what i tried previously, was getting them to help me out..i went into the channel and asked if someone could build it local there so the fonts would work, and then send me the pdf file...they ignored me
[08:19] <LaserJock> :/
[08:19] <LaserJock> well, was nobody around?
[08:19] <LaserJock> maybe you could reply to this guy on the list
[08:19] <nixternal> they were around because they were talking to one another
[08:19] <LaserJock> ah
[08:19] <LaserJock> at least it shows we aren't ignoring him
[08:19] <LaserJock> even if we can't get it done immediately
[08:20] <nixternal> i set the importance on that bug to low, because it is...i understand them taking that the wrong way, because if you don't understand the bug system, then low is like hey, you don't think this bug is important
[08:21] <LaserJock> well, I usually just use medium unless I  know it's wishlist so I don't get anybody mad at me ;-)
[08:21] <LaserJock> does the HTML look ok?
[08:21] <nixternal> im going to look now
[08:22] <LaserJock> I don't even know exactly how to get there
[08:22] <nixternal> title>  </title>
[08:22] <nixternal> the xml is good
[08:22] <nixternal> it validates..which i know..i did all of the translations for dapper last month
[08:24] <nixternal> it looks like mdke is the only one who can
[08:25] <nixternal> nixternal@MasTequila:~/Ubuntu/Documentation/repos/dapper/kubuntu$ make desktop-pdf-ru
[08:25] <nixternal> xsltproc --xinclude -o ../build/pdf/kubuntu/ru/desktopguide.fo ../libs/pdf/ubuntu-pdf.xsl desktopguide/ru/desktopguide.xml
[08:25] <nixternal> warning: failed to load external entity "/home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl"
[08:25] <nixternal> compilation error: file ../libs/pdf/ubuntu-pdf.xsl line 11 element import
[08:25] <nixternal> xsl:import : unable to load /home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl
[08:25] <nixternal> make: *** [desktop-pdf-ru]  Error 5
[08:25] <nixternal> xsl:import is looking for his home dir
[08:25] <nixternal> ubuntu pdf make doesn't even work
[08:26] <LaserJock> of course not ;-)
[08:28] <LaserJock> ok, the HTML is fine on help.ubuntu.com
[08:29] <LaserJock> so right now it's only the .pdfs that are messed up
[08:29] <LaserJock> I really don't see that as a huge deal
[08:29] <nixternal> ohh..ya, sorry, i read that wrong when you said that earlier
[08:29] <nixternal> it isn't, hence low ;)
[08:29] <LaserJock> their translation isn't wasted
[08:29] <LaserJock> it's just not in *all* forms
[08:34] <LaserJock> uggg
[08:34] <LaserJock> nixternal: do you want to email them or shall I? :/
[08:34] <nixternal> you can ;)
[08:34] <LaserJock> darn
[08:34] <nixternal> lol
[08:34] <LaserJock> rock-paper-scissors?
[08:34] <nixternal> if needbe, i will do it ;)
[08:34] <nixternal> hahah
[08:34] <nixternal> 1
[08:34] <nixternal> 2
[08:34] <nixternal> 3
[08:34] <nixternal> rock
[08:34] <LaserJock> doh
[08:34] <nixternal> cheater
[08:34] <LaserJock> I wasn't ready ;-)
[08:34] <LaserJock> ok
[08:35] <nixternal> 1
[08:35] <nixternal> 2
[08:35] <nixternal> 3
[08:35] <nixternal> paper
[08:35] <LaserJock> darn it
[08:35] <nixternal> hahah
[08:35] <LaserJock> ok
[08:35] <LaserJock> now
[08:35] <nixternal> 1
[08:35] <nixternal> 2
[08:35] <nixternal> 3
[08:35] <LaserJock> rock
[08:35] <nixternal> rock
[08:35] <LaserJock> doh
[08:35] <LaserJock> I'm doing it
[08:35] <nixternal> [13:35:26]  <nixternal> rock
[08:35] <nixternal> [13:35:35]  <LaserJock> rock
[08:35] <nixternal> 9 seconds
[08:35] <LaserJock> lag
[08:36] <LaserJock> anyway
[08:36] <LaserJock> do you think they'd be able to produce a .pdf?
[08:36] <nixternal> nope
[08:36] <nixternal> the makefile is broken
[08:36] <LaserJock> ok
[08:36] <nixternal> if that can get fixed, so we can reproduce a pdf, we are golden
[08:42] <nixternal> <xsl:import href="/home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl"/>
[08:42] <nixternal> i don't think that should be in svn for a make
[08:42] <nixternal> that is the libs/pdf/ubuntu-pdf.xsl file
[08:43] <nixternal> that is why Kubuntu make keeps crashing out
[08:43] <nixternal> i think <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/fo/docbook.xsl"/> is the correct way maybe
[08:44] <nixternal> fixed ;)
[08:44] <nixternal> nope
[08:44] <nixternal> arg
[08:47] <nixternal> i need FOP
[08:47] <nixternal> wtheck is that at
[08:48] <LaserJock> that's the java thing that turns it into pdf
[08:48] <LaserJock> it's a little more complicated then that, but that's mostly it
[08:48] <LaserJock> email sent
[08:48] <nixternal> how do i get it so i can run this makefile then?
[08:48] <LaserJock> google fop
[08:48] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:49] <nixternal> im there
[08:49] <nixternal> Apache FOP is the closest
[08:49] <LaserJock> yep
[08:49] <nixternal> otherwise the rest is Fraternal Order of Police
[08:49] <LaserJock> it's non-free and very difficult to use
[08:49] <nixternal> lovely
[08:49] <LaserJock> but it's basically the only way to do it currently
[08:50] <LaserJock> that's why only mdke was doing it
[08:50] <LaserJock> I tried once
[08:51] <nixternal> heh, then i shall try
[08:51] <nixternal> it would be nice to package this ;)
[08:51] <nixternal> hint hint
[08:59] <nixternal> i see why the pdf is broke
[08:59] <nixternal> WARNING: The contents of row 1 are taller than they should be (there is a block-progression-dimension or height constraint on the indicated row). Due to its contents the row grows to 16500 millipoints, but the row shouldn't get any taller than MinOptMax[min=opt=max=14000]  millipoints. (fo:table-row, location: 578/5796)
[09:00] <LaserJock> nixternal: we can't package it, that's the problem
[09:00] <nixternal> ya
[09:01] <nixternal> well it is easy enough to install...i just extracted it, copied it to /opt and created a link in /usr/bin
[09:01] <nixternal> works fine
[09:01] <LaserJock> you can now make the pdfs?
[09:01] <nixternal>  ya
[09:01] <LaserJock> cool
[09:01] <nixternal> but
[09:01] <LaserJock> mdke is the man
[09:01] <nixternal> that error is the reason the russian pdf is messed up
[09:02] <nixternal> i get the same output as what is on the website
[09:02] <LaserJock> ok, so can you try doing a russian one I guess and see if it, by some weirdness, works
[09:03] <LaserJock> k
[09:04] <nixternal> need to figure out how to expand the row contents
[09:10] <LaserJock> nixternal: what do you think of my email?
[09:10] <nixternal>  heh, i researched that error and guess what
[09:10] <nixternal> matt east is the only one on the internet to post anything about it
[09:10] <LaserJock> of course
[09:10] <LaserJock> he's not a lazy guy
[09:11] <LaserJock> I know for the Asian fonts he worked with the fop devs to fix things and get it to work
[09:13] <nixternal> excellent email!
[09:13] <LaserJock> ok
[09:16] <LaserJock> nixternal: perhaps you could follow up your email with your findings (error and there is no reference online other than Matt's)
[09:16] <nixternal> im working that through now
[10:58] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[11:27] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[11:27] <jjesse> sorry on vacation this week, so don't know how much i'll be around :)
[11:27] <LaserJock> shesh
[11:28] <LaserJock> everybody's doing it, I might as well
[11:28] <jjesse> grin
[11:29] <nixternal> not much going on except trying to get the russian pdf's to use cyrillic
[11:30] <nixternal> this is starting to drive me nuts...i don't think it is fop either


[09:04] <Mirv> mzanetti: hey! we're seeing a crash and failing tests on utopic, could you take a look at that? http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/267:20141003:20140929.1/10782/unity8/
[09:05] <tsdgeos> Mirv: he's not here today
[09:06] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: another upstream relase of unity-scopes-shell, can you merge again?
[09:06] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, yep
[09:07] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i'm having a look at those
[09:08] <tsdgeos> but honestly autopilot is awful and we should just not be using it is my answer every time an autopilot test fails
[09:08] <tsdgeos> no offsense to the autopilot developers
[09:12] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok, thanks. maybe check the crash then instead :)
[09:17] <Cimi> tsdgeos, +1
[09:18] <Cimi> it can do some pretty cool things, but for us gives more false fails than real ones
[09:18] <Cimi> we don't pay attention to its failures anymore
[09:18] <Cimi> 90% is something broken in ap
[09:19] <tsdgeos> Cimi: can you do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/base_not_clickable/+merge/236835 https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/overviewPreviewHideGotoScope/+merge/236926 ?
[09:19] <Cimi> only few times is a real test failing...
[09:19] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yes I can, I am out of features to work on today (finished yesterday)
[09:19] <Cimi> tsdgeos, throw me reviews/bugs
[09:50] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, yesterday's hotfix hasn't been merged yet into trunk, i'll updated feeds when it happens (should be soon)
[09:50] <tsdgeos> ok
[09:54] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, btw i'm working on displaying child feeds now, but that should be transparent for you
[09:54] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: not really, i'll have to paint them :D
[09:54] <tsdgeos> i'm not using a card in there, was not as flexible as we needed
[09:54] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hmm, so we don't have subtitle already?
[09:54] <pstolowski> ah
[10:49] <tsdgeos> does anyone know at what point the SessionAuthorizer is created for qt apps?
[10:55] <Cimi> tsdgeos, first needs fixing, second approved
[10:57] <tsdgeos> Cimi: nah, it doesn't need fixing :P
[10:58] <Cimi> tsdgeos, oh yes it does :P
[11:06] <Cimi> tsdgeos, what you mean is a bugfix?
[11:06] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i mean i don't want to remove 100 lines of code to fix a thing when i can remove 1
[11:06] <tsdgeos> because removing 1 is easy
[11:06] <Cimi> tsdgeos, if we decide we don't want previews anymore in unity, we remove the previews, not we keep them but we remove the mouse area to enable them :)
[11:06] <tsdgeos> removing 100 makes lots of things break
[11:07] <tsdgeos> Cimi: that's a bad example
[11:07] <tsdgeos> but wathever
[11:07] <tsdgeos> you don't like it
[11:07] <tsdgeos> review the other MR
[11:07] <tsdgeos> and land them together
[11:07] <tsdgeos> it's not that hard, is it?
[11:07] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I much rather do...
[11:09] <tsdgeos> damnit i'm getting old
[11:09] <tsdgeos> does anyone remember the name of the function that tells you if there's anyone connected to a signal
[11:09] <tsdgeos> can't find it
[11:10] <tsdgeos> it is totally discouraged
[11:10] <tsdgeos> but i awnt it
[11:10] <Cimi> tsdgeos, qml, qt?
[11:10] <Cimi> I can help you googling :)
[11:11] <tsdgeos> qt
[11:12] <tsdgeos> i even remmeber the damn docu
[11:12] <tsdgeos> saying this can be used to save you for doing something heavy if noone is connected to your signal
[11:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, you can see that from slots?
[11:13] <tsdgeos> foundit
[11:13] <tsdgeos> damnit
[11:13] <tsdgeos> bool QObject::isSignalConnected(const QMetaMethod & signal) const [protected]
[11:14] <Cimi> cool
[11:14] <tsdgeos> Cimi: see what?
[11:14] <Cimi> tsdgeos, neverming
[11:15] <Cimi> tsdgeos, anyway, can you resubmit the branch killing base without that prerequisite?
[11:15] <tsdgeos> no?
[11:15] <tsdgeos> why
[11:16] <Cimi> tsdgeos, because we don't need the first if we do the latter, no?
[11:17] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I see your point of bugfixing and stuff, I always been told from saviq that if we remove a feature, we do it completely (removing all unneeded code)
[11:17] <tsdgeos> well we do because it's a prerequisite :D
[11:18] <Cimi> tsdgeos, what is your opinion?
[11:19] <tsdgeos> my opinion is that there is one liner that fixes a bug
[11:19] <tsdgeos> and then there's a MR that cleans up shit copied and pasted code we have from god knows where
[11:19] <Cimi> tsdgeos, it is one liner but implies that we should get rid of all this shit code with it anyway...
[11:20] <tsdgeos> Cimi: not really
[11:20] <tsdgeos> we could remove the highlighter
[11:20] <tsdgeos> without removing the abstractbutton
[11:20] <tsdgeos> or leave the hightlighter and remove the abstractbutton
[11:20] <Cimi> I think we should do both at the same time no?
[11:20] <Cimi> change to Item and remove highlight
[11:20] <tsdgeos> why?
[11:21] <tsdgeos> why in your mind is not valid to have an Item with highlight?
[11:21] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, that launcher test is driving me nuts. I don't understand why it sometimes refuses to flick. will check if reverting the test refactoring make this instability go away. very frustrating
[11:21] <Cimi> because if we don't want the highlight we don;'t need the button and we don;t need the style for the highlight
[11:21] <tsdgeos> Cimi: but as you can see the highlight is not related at all with the button
[11:21] <tsdgeos> so they are two separate things
[11:22] <tsdgeos> one could higlight based on the moon phases
[11:22] <tsdgeos> wihtout the need of a button
[11:22] <Cimi> :)
[11:22] <Cimi> I like your humor :)
[11:22] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, but that tip of running xvfbtest in a loop until it fails is a great one. I noticed xvfbtest is siginificantly slower than the regular test
[11:22] <tsdgeos> Cimi: thank you
[11:22] <tsdgeos> Cimi: but really
[11:22] <tsdgeos> pressed: emptyListItem.selected
[11:23] <tsdgeos> and then
[11:23] <tsdgeos>  property bool selected: false
[11:23] <tsdgeos> it is a spearate thing
[11:23] <tsdgeos> sure your mind tells you it will be linked to a button and thn you see the button remove dna you say to remove it
[11:23] <tsdgeos> but it's not really linked
[11:24] <tsdgeos> no?
[11:24] <tsdgeos> actually wait
[11:24] <tsdgeos> because i may be lying :D
[11:32] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I am just checking if we can remove it
[11:32] <tsdgeos> remove what? the higlighter?
[11:32] <tsdgeos> it's removed in the other MR
[11:32] <Cimi> tsdgeos, since grepping for ListItems reveals imports in panel and launcher
[11:32] <tsdgeos> yeah
[11:32] <tsdgeos> but not used there
[11:32] <tsdgeos> but pelase double check
[11:34] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so we can remove those imports as well :)
[11:35] <tsdgeos> Cimi: no
[11:35] <tsdgeos> and even if we could
[11:35] <tsdgeos> they have nothing to do with this
[11:35] <tsdgeos> if you continue like that
[11:35] <tsdgeos> i will have to fix all of the current bugs and put them in a single MR
[11:40] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ahah ok I stop
[11:40] <tsdgeos> Cimi: but actually you where right the first one is not totally correct
[11:41] <tsdgeos> i've fixed it now so that highlight is actually dependent on the selected property only
[11:41] <tsdgeos> and not on a possible pressed state since it can't be pressed anymore
[11:41] <tsdgeos> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/base_not_clickable/+merge/236835
[11:41] <tsdgeos> now the guy that devided to call the root of that item emptyListItem
[11:41] <tsdgeos> bad naming :D
[11:42] <Cimi> tsdgeos, did you bzr blame? :)
[11:43] <tsdgeos> nah
[11:43] <tsdgeos> it may even be me
[11:43] <tsdgeos> doon't think so though
[11:43] <tsdgeos> and i'd say this was copied from the sdk
[11:43] <tsdgeos> or smeels like it
[11:44] <Cimi> tsdgeos, saviq
[11:44] <Cimi> tsdgeos, but at revision 1
[11:44] <Cimi> so...
[11:44] <Cimi> it doesn't say
[11:44] <Cimi> anyway
[11:44] <Cimi> much better now
[11:44] <tsdgeos> this history is new anyway
[11:44] <tsdgeos> we moved repo like 3 times
[11:44] <tsdgeos> losing history afair
[11:46] <Cimi> tsdgeos, it was done on purpose to forget the past :)
[11:47] <Cimi> we cannot blame anyone anymore :)
[11:48] <tsdgeos> :)
[12:03] <Cimi> tsdgeos, was it actually working before?
[12:03] <Cimi> pressed: (emptyListItem.selected || (emptyListItem.highlightWhenPressed && emptyListItem.pressed)) ? "pressed" : ""
[12:03] <Cimi> pressed is a bool, not a string :)
[12:03] <Cimi> unless "pressed" evaluated true
[12:38] <mterry> dednick, heyo!  Got a moment to talk indicator UI code?
[12:40] <mterry> dednick, I'm trying to allow the indicators to swap between two different profiles (essentially two different menuObjectPaths).  I've done some work to cache the menus from dbus.  But now I'm hitting what looks like a delay in populating the UI elements inside the indicator menucontent
[12:45] <tsdgeos> Cimi: it's javascript
[12:45] <tsdgeos> it does magic
[12:45] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, tst_Launcher should finally work reliably in touchOverview branch
[12:45] <tsdgeos> dandrader_: cool
[12:46] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, did you test pressing the top left key in the vkb?
[12:46] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, that was the most prominent case this MP solves
[12:47] <tsdgeos> dandrader_: shouldn't it also fix what i mention as a comment?
[12:47] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, I replied to it
[12:47] <tsdgeos> ah
[12:47] <tsdgeos> just came back from lunch
[12:47] <tsdgeos> ^_^
[12:47]  * tsdgeos reads
[12:47] <tsdgeos> AlbertA: ping
[12:48] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, actually, now that I checked the code. it seems PhoneStage animates the right edge as soon as the drag starts, regardless of whether the EdgeDragArea has already recognized is and an edge-drag or not
[12:48] <tsdgeos> may be
[12:49] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, but the problem is that the right-edge animation moves the ap window away
[12:49] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, so the tap ends up as a short drag from the app window's point of view. which aggravates the issue
[13:35] <mterry> If I pass an object from C++ to Qml, Qml owns that object, right?  And will delete it at will?  But what if that object has a parent?  Then will Qml back off?
[13:47] <dandrader> tsdgeos, fixed the "tapping on the right edge of the screen" issue
[13:47] <dandrader> tsdgeos, you can now easily tap on the category selector button in the dash for instance(that down-pointed arrow on the far right)
[13:47] <tsdgeos> mterry: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-data.html#data-ownership
[13:47] <tsdgeos> dandrader: cool
[13:47] <tsdgeos> let's rebuild the ppa
[13:47] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: how's the merge going?
[13:48] <mterry> tsdgeos, nice so it won't touch an object with a parent, makes sense
[13:48] <dandrader> tsdgeos, so now that right-edge animation only starts to move the app window once the gesture has been recognized
[13:48] <tsdgeos> which i guess makes sense
[13:50] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: no merge from trunk yet? :/
[13:50] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, merge still didn't happen
[13:50] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: but trunk has a newer version than our packages
[13:50] <pstolowski> ted, line #78 in the ci sheet
[13:50] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: so it won't get picked from ppa unless you merge, no?
[13:50] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, do you have the changes i put yesterday?
[13:51] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: i have everything from the feeds branch
[13:51]  * ted Is confused, did you mean tsdgeos ?
[13:51] <pstolowski> ted, sure, sorry ;)
[13:52] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, i merged trunk into feeds yesterday as we landed some stuff. after that we requested one more MP, but it's not merged yet
[13:52] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: then why is feeds older than trunk?
[13:53] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[13:53] <tsdgeos> because i may be missing a rebuild :d
[13:53]  * tsdgeos clicks the button
[13:54] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ah, good. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8486034/
[13:55] <tsdgeos> yeah i saw :/
[13:55] <tsdgeos> sorry for the noize
[13:55] <pstolowski> (and of course nothing to push)
[13:55] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, np
[13:59] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, can you start displaying subtitle role if not empty (will be empty for a while in all cases, but i'm working on a separate branch that will populate it)
[14:00] <pstolowski> ?
[14:02] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: i am juggling lots of things atm, will try to get it done before eod, if not on monday
[14:02] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ok, no worries, next week is fine
[14:05] <tsdgeos> dednick: is it possible that all the ap tests for indicators are borked?
[14:06] <dednick> tsdgeos: it is always possible.
[14:07] <tsdgeos> dednick: looking for objectName in DefaultIndicatorPage objects
[14:07] <tsdgeos> and from a quick grep i think you don't set that anymore?
[14:07] <tsdgeos> dandrader: you're reviewing the wrong MP :D
[14:08] <dandrader> crap
[14:09] <dednick> tsdgeos: erm. i don't rember changing it, but i can see that it should be set.
[14:09] <dednick> tsdgeos: got a link?
[14:09] <tsdgeos> to the failures? it was a local fail let me see if there's something in the internets
[14:10] <dandrader> tsdgeos, mind if I delete that proposal then?
[14:10] <tsdgeos> dandrader: well it's clearly marked as superseeded and has a link to the other, but as you wish
[14:12] <dandrader> tsdgeos, still does it rely on an unreleased unity-api?
[14:12] <dandrader> tsdgeos, becaue of "libunity-api-dev (>= 7.92),"
[14:13] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yes and no
[14:13] <dandrader> tsdgeos, speak
[14:13] <tsdgeos> only because i decided to base it on top of that other branch that we are landing as part of silo19
[14:13] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ah, it has a prerequisite
[14:13] <tsdgeos> which i am pretty sure doesn't really need to be based off, but helps with potential conflicts
[14:14] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yeah
[14:14] <tsdgeos> as marked in the MR
[14:14] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:14] <dandrader> yes, just noticed it
[14:16] <tsdgeos> dednick: using silo 19 i get stuff like http://paste.ubuntu.com/8486151/
[14:18] <dednick> tsdgeos: ok. i'll take a look. something obviously isn't connected up correctly anymore
[14:23] <tsdgeos> dednick: cool tx
[14:25] <AlbertA> tsdgeos: pong
[14:25] <tsdgeos> AlbertA: did you ever get to record the video for the screen capture you promised in the bug?
[14:27] <AlbertA> tsdgeos: oh sorry no...I got pulled into some bug hunting/fixing...
[14:27] <AlbertA> lemme try and do that right now
[14:55] <tsdgeos> dandrader|afk: if you have some time i fixed your comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_left_swipe_temp_scope_overview/+merge/236552
[15:09] <paulliu> dednick: I've add a comment on the merge request https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/lp1336715-checkable-bindings/+merge/234503
[15:12] <dednick> paulliu: ta. so you were still able to get the flight-mode out of sync? or was it that flight mode & wifi were both turned on?
[15:14] <paulliu> dednick: yes. But very hard.
[15:15] <paulliu> dednick: Yes, that's flight mode & wifi both turned on after non-sync.
[15:15] <dednick> dednick: but still in sync with the flight mode in system settings?
[15:15] <dednick> paulliu: ^
[15:16] <paulliu> dednick: Not sure. Let me try again.
[15:16] <dednick> paulliu: ok, if you get it out of sync, can you run a command on ssh for me?
[15:16] <paulliu> dednick: Because have to do that very fast. I just pull the full indicators down.
[15:16] <paulliu> dednick: sure.
[15:16] <dednick> give me a sec
[15:17] <paulliu> Wait. I found we can turn on Flight mode and then turn on WiFi.
[15:17] <paulliu> What's that?
[15:20] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ok
[15:20] <paulliu> dednick: rfkill list tells me that turn on WiFi will turn off the Soft block of WiFi.
[15:21] <dednick> paulliu: dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=com.canonical.indicator.network /com/canonical/indicator/network org.gtk.Actions.DescribeAll
[15:21] <dednick> paulliu: yeah, i think if you manually turn on wifi when flight mode is on, then it allows it to be on.
[15:28] <paulliu> dednick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8486539/
[15:29] <paulliu> dednick: Settings flight mode is off. Indicator flight mode is on. And it automatically connects to WiFi.
[15:32] <paulliu> dednick: http://tinyurl.com/nq3txw9
[15:35] <dednick> paulliu: and thats with my branch?
[15:36] <paulliu> dednick: yes.
[15:36] <dednick> paulliu: doh. thanks
[15:37] <dednick> kgunn: ^ still seems to be a problem with the flight mode switch. going to need more investigations
[15:38] <paulliu> dednick: I've installed MenuItemFactory.qml to /usr/share/unity8/Panel/Indicators md5sum is df4600201f8fdfbd46c4d281f8a7b5f5
[15:39] <paulliu> dednick: You have to push indicators very fast to get it non-sync.
[15:40] <paulliu> dednick: Faster than any rhythm games I think.
[15:40] <dednick> paulliu: heh. yeah still a but though :/
[15:42] <kgunn> tah
[15:43] <kgunn> mterry: looks like dednick might be reworking that checkable-bindings branch ^
[15:43] <mterry> kgunn, hah!  procrastination for the win
[15:43] <kgunn> :)
[15:45] <dednick> hm. one possiblity is that the server didnt respond to the change in the check status from the indicator
[15:46] <dednick> only way to know that is if the system settings one does the same thing though...
[15:47] <dednick> there's no validation on update.
[15:47] <dandrader> racarr, would you have some time to review that? https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/platform-api/removeMirClipboard/+merge/237094
[15:47] <dandrader> racarr, not high priority though
[15:47] <dednick> other possibility is that my code is shit. but that cant be right...
[18:15] <dandrader> racarr, thanks for the review. you can top-approve as well
[18:28] <racarr> dandrader: Np


[00:53] <kyle__> Having an odd issue.  Until say, 3 today, i could start instances.  After that, it claimed I only had 9 slots to run more machines (even though I have 38 cores and no machines running), and no matter how I start an instance, it terminates before it starts.
[17:59] <kyle__> Anyone awake who could help with figuring out why instances are terminating without ever launching?
[20:29] <kyle__> Anyone awake who could help with figuring out why instances are terminating without ever launching?  This is new behavior for my cloud, always worked before.  euca-describe-availability-zones shows I have enough resources, but interestingly resources are used for every failed instance, but I'm never getting them back after the instance terminates.
[20:34] <kyle__> I don't suppose there are any eucalyptus users in here?  Who are awake, and willing to help troubleshoot an issue (instances terminate after launch, but enough resources are free)
[20:34] <kyle__> Sorry, wrong window


[00:59] <apol> jtechidna:
[00:59] <apol> ping
[01:05] <apol> jtechidna: sent you an e-mail >.<
[01:05] <apol> good night kubuntu'ers!
[02:09] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1001549] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: conffile '.... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1001549 (by Brian Neltner)
[08:52] <apachelogger___> shadeslayer: PING
[08:52] <apachelogger___> also, morning kids!
[08:59] <Riddell> morning apachelogger!
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:32] <Riddell> afternoon
[12:01] <Riddell> hmm a mixed review here http://www.muktware.com/3914/why-i-went-back-gnome-kde
[12:02] <Riddell> txwikinger: are you using arm servers?
[12:06] <apachelogger___> Riddell: muktware is FUDcentral
[12:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger___: PONG
[12:14] <apachelogger___> shadeslayer: autoresolved
[12:14] <shadeslayer> awesome
[12:15] <apachelogger___> how's your qdebug coming along?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger___: already fixed in my branch
[12:15] <shadeslayer> haven't pushed yet, was out doing tax stuff
[12:15] <shadeslayer> sec
[12:16] <apachelogger___> shadeslayer: talk to Will about mergering it on gitorious
[12:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger___: can't do atm
[12:16] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[12:16]  * shadeslayer is using the wrong repo
[12:17]  * shadeslayer facepalms
[12:17]  * apachelogger___ applauds
[12:18]  * shadeslayer fondles apachelogger___ and forks repo on gitorious
[12:18] <apachelogger___> no fondling during work hours! :P
[12:18]  * shadeslayer fondles apachelogger___ a bit more
[12:21] <shadeslayer> sign
[12:21] <shadeslayer> sigh
[12:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger___: they don't even use pretty headers
[12:21] <apachelogger___> pretty headers?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> #include <kmessagebox.h>
[12:23] <apachelogger___> looks pretty too me
[12:23] <shadeslayer> #include <KMessageBox> ?
[12:23] <apachelogger___> not so pretty
[12:24] <shadeslayer> whut
[12:29]  * debfx wants leetspeak header aliases
[12:29] <debfx> #include <km355463b0x>
[12:34] <apachelogger___> dem would be ze prettiest
[12:34] <apachelogger___> someone script something to make that happen plz
[12:44] <ScottK> Riddell: The only thing that bothers me in that article is the comments from other KDE people about Kubuntu as a distro.  I think those are wrong and unfair and the KDE community should not do such things.
[12:50] <jtechidna> ScottK: I noticed some... untoward behavior from a certain suse community leader in the comments there as well :/
[12:50] <ScottK> He was one of them, but not the only one.
[12:51] <ScottK> I guess I could mention that when I'm googling for patches to fix bugs, I ignore hits from suse because they're always crap.
[12:51] <ScottK> Actually it happened once, but it's an equivalent comment.
[12:52] <jtechidna> right, but coming from somebody who is supposed to be the outward facing representative of suse, it's kind of really unbecoming.
[12:52] <ScottK> Definitely.
[12:53] <jtechidna> anybody else could be disregarded as a mere troll, or at best just a disgruntled user.
[12:53] <jtechidna> once disgruntled, it's hard to become gruntled again :P
[13:00] <shadeslayer> omfg
[13:00] <shadeslayer> [Launchpad-users] Beta test: asynchronous PPA package copies
[13:00] <shadeslayer> YES
[13:00] <shadeslayer> yofel_: ^^ LOOK
[13:00] <yofel_> seen, haven't tried it yet
[13:01] <shadeslayer> all of ti seems magical
[13:01] <shadeslayer> *it
[13:01] <shadeslayer> I just saw the email
[13:34] <ScottK> jtechidna: FYI, barry's on the case porting kpythonpluginfactory to python3.
[13:35] <jtechidna> great :)
[13:36] <ScottK> I did some CMake magic for him last night, so now I think it's just Python 3 C API.
[13:50] <Quintasan> \o
[13:50] <Riddell> hi Quintasan
[15:20] <Riddell> I'm sure my old owncloud packages set up a mysql database for you, but I don't see it in them, maybe I just made that up
[15:20] <Riddell> anyone remember?
[15:30] <apol> jtechidna: in the fonts category, we should filter for ttf-* instead of ttf*, no?
[16:12] <jtechidna> apol: is there a reason to do one over the other?
[16:13] <apol> jtechidna: all fonts are ttf-* and I see we have packages that are ttf* and are not fonts
[16:13] <jtechidna> hmm
[16:13] <jtechidna> yeah, probably should be ttf-*
[16:14] <apol> jtechidna: like ttf2ufm
[16:14] <jtechidna> yeah
[16:18] <apol> ok I'll fix that
[16:18] <apol> jtechidna: when calling upgrade&commit
[16:18] <apol> if there's nothing to upgrade, CommitChangesFinished is never emitted
[16:24] <apol> jtechidna: maybe I can add workerFinished to QApt::Backend? seems safer than using workerEvent
[16:24] <apol> or should i listen for the error in this case?
[16:25] <jtechidna> apol: I think there should be a FetchError in this case
[16:26] <apol> hm
[16:26] <apol> I'm not getting any signal, not workerEvent or errorOccurred
[16:27] <jtechidna> the worker's commitChanges function must be returning without emitting a signal, otherwise it would emit at least something
[16:36] <apol> jtechidna: where does the worker stdout go?
[16:36] <jtechidna> apol: to debug the worker, start it with "sudo qaptworker" in konsole, then run a transaction with muon
[16:37] <jtechidna> stdout will then be in the terminal
[16:37] <jtechidna> there's a 30 second timeout in between when you start qaptworker before it automatically quits
[16:37] <apol> jtechidna: do I need some argument? it quits immediately here
[16:38] <jtechidna> oh, it'll do that if there's already a qaptworker process still around
[16:38] <jtechidna> just killall qaptworker before hand
[16:38] <jtechidna> perhaps it should say something about that....
[16:44] <jtechidna> I have to go run an errand, be back in ~an hour
[16:51] <apol> jtechidna: my bad, it was my problem :P
[16:51] <apol> fixed ^^
[17:25] <jtechidna> :)
[18:54] <shadeslayer> fooey, no riddell
[19:52] <littlegirl> Hey there, would there be any objection to using K-menu for the Kickoff Application Launcher Menu in the Kubuntu system documentation?
[19:53] <littlegirl> Also, would there be any objection to my renaming the manage-software.xml file to software.xml so that it's one word like all the other topic documents?
[19:55] <littlegirl> And one more thing: There was mention of changing KMail to Kontact Mail in the Precise blueprints, but I don't think that should happen since its name really is KMail and that's what it's called even on its web site. Can that particular task be disregarded?
[19:58] <ScottK> littlegirl: For #1 I think that makes sense because that's what most people call it.  For #2, I think you're the docs writer, so you decide.  For #3 Yes and see #2.
[19:59] <jjesse> no worries on changing thngs
[20:00] <littlegirl> Okay, thanks. I had those tasks sitting there and didn't know quite what to do with them. I wish the blueprint had an [INVALID] tag we could use for occasional tasks just so that if you look at the progression from one release to another you can see that an unfinished task in one release was considered and rejected in another release rather than ignored altogether. (:
[20:00] <ScottK> littlegirl: If it's invalid, delete it.
[20:01] <littlegirl> ScottK: Right, although that doesn't let anyone who comes along later and looks at both blueprints know that you did consider it and reject it, rather than just not considering it at all. (:
[20:01] <ScottK> You can write something about that in the blueprint summary.
[20:02] <littlegirl> I suppose I'll do that. (:
[20:02] <littlegirl> I'm going to have a wish list of tasks that need to be accomplished by Someone Other Than Me. Is this where I would put them or would it be better to make a post in the kubuntu-devel mailing list?
[20:03] <jjesse> littlegirl, are you updating the TODO text?
[20:03] <jjesse> i might have some time this next trip to work on thngs
[20:03] <littlegirl> jjesse: I have been, but let me look if it's caught up...
[20:03] <ScottK> littlegirl: Make sure they're listed in the tasks for the BP and then email kubuntu-devel, then apply a big stick about jjesse's head and shoulders for emphasis.
[20:04] <jjesse> i'll need lots of sticks
[20:04] <littlegirl> jjesse: Nope, it needs a bit of tweaking. I'll update it. (:
[20:04] <littlegirl> LOL
[20:11] <littlegirl> Okay, the TODO file is updated and on the server. (:
[20:12]  * littlegirl hands jjesse lots of sticks
[20:14] <barry> hi scott
[20:14] <barry> hi ScottK
[20:14] <ScottK> High barry.
[20:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: barry has a patch for kpython3pluginfactory that at least compiles.  He needs help with testing.  Can you help out with that?
[20:15] <barry> ScottK: not during working hours :)
[20:15] <ScottK> He did it late last night.
[20:16] <barry> ScottK, JontheEchidna lp:~barry/+junk/pykde4py3
[20:16] <barry> the only thing i modified from ScottK's pastebin is kpython3pluginfactory_base.patch
[20:20] <littlegirl> One more thing on my questions above. Would the proper way to write it be K-menu or K-Menu or K menu?
[20:20] <ScottK> No idea.
[20:20] <jjesse> i would assume there is something on kde.org
[20:20] <ScottK> We should start getting IRC notifications here on Kubuntu packageset changes and ISO status changes.
[20:20] <jjesse> to help w/ naming
[20:20]  * littlegirl will look on kde.org
[20:26] <littlegirl> Okay, it looks like the officially correct way to write it is "K menu" so that's what it will be. (:
[20:27]  * littlegirl throws Ks around
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, barry: I have some paperwork to do/emails to send related to squaring things away for university this fall, but I'll look at it later tonight when I'm done with all that. Thanks for taking a look at it!
[20:45] <barry> sure thing!