[05:20] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:38] <Kilos> hi Private_User theblazehen JabberwockyA19 Kerbero[dsp] and others
[05:38] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[05:46] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[05:57] <jabberwocky_> morning all
[05:59] <Kilos> smaboshe, morning. its good practise to greet on this channel
[06:02] <Kilos> wb deegee__
[06:02] <smaboshe> Morning!
[06:03] <smaboshe> Didn't mean to offend :-).
[06:03] <Kilos> np
[06:03] <Kilos> if you need linux help just ask or tell us about yourself and maybe you can help others
[06:04] <smaboshe> Thanks.
[06:04] <smaboshe> I'm new to IRC. It's a whole new world out here.
[06:04] <Kilos> and welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:04] <smaboshe> Thank you. I'm on this particular channel to learn how LoCo's work.
[06:04] <smaboshe> Hoping to set a LoCo for Zambia.
[06:05] <Kilos> this is the official south african community channel so you must be able to get help here
[06:06] <smaboshe> Great. Already loving what ubuntu-za is doing. By far the most active one I've seen on the Continent.
[06:06] <Kilos> just need to hang around sometimes because most of the clever peeps are very busy mostly
[06:06] <smaboshe> Thanks, Kilos. I'll hang around patiently :-).
[06:06] <Kilos> :-)
[06:07] <Kilos> we also have our monthly meeting on the 27th and you are welcome to attend
[06:10] <smaboshe> What time on the 27th?
[06:10] <Kilos> 8.30 pm our time
[06:11] <Kilos> you can see how chairing meets is done
[06:11]  * smaboshe marks date in calendar
[06:11] <smaboshe> Thank you.
[06:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:12] <Kilos> what irc client are you using?
[06:12] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> does anyone know if a typical modern laptop uses the same piece of hardware to handle wifi and bluetooth?
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> i installed some updates last night and now my wifi and bluetooth don't seem to exist
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> booted up using 2 older kernels, same thing
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> wondering if a piece of hardware has died
[06:13] <smaboshe> I'm using irssi. Is that recommended?
[06:14] <Kilos> i dont know it. some of our clever guys do. i use hexchat and konversation because they are easy and show topics at the top
[06:14] <Kilos> all info about meets and other links show in topic bar
[06:15] <smaboshe> Kilos: I see it now, "Next Meeting: Tue, 27 May 20:30". Good tip.
[06:16] <Kilos> cool
[06:16] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, you have bluez installed and whatever is needed for wifi
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> i installed updates over wifi so yes
[06:17] <Kilos> oh my
[06:18] <Kilos> kde nm has lotsa funny stuff in to choose wifi stuff
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> don'think it's kde, my wlan0 interface has disappeared completely
[06:19] <Kilos> the fly and pro will know what to do im sure
[06:20] <Kilos> i tried to manually change my ip addy the other day following info on a link and lost the whole network manager
[06:21] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[06:27] <Kilos> smaboshe, http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/setup/
[06:29] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:30] <mazal> Môre oom
[06:38] <smaboshe> Kilos: Exactly what I need!
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> fixed my issue Kilos
[06:43] <Kilos> how ThatGraemeGuy
[06:43] <Kilos> ill save the info
[06:44] <Kilos> i keep forgetting you a pro at this
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> it was a huge batch of updates, and i suspect i shut down while it was in the configuring stage, because when i tried to check for updates now, apt was in a state
[06:44] <Kilos> ah
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> fixed it up and all is well again
[06:44] <Kilos> dpkg --configure -a
[06:50] <Kilos> well done
[08:24] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: so did i kill you permanently or is there some magic to come back to life?
[08:38] <Vince-0> o/
[08:44] <mobilemonkey> Hello kilos
[08:44] <Kilos> ohi mobilemonkey
[08:45] <mobilemonkey> Hehe. On the phone today
[08:47] <Kilos> i see that
[08:48] <Kilos> im building our house
[08:48] <Kilos> no book shelves or plants in it yet
[08:48] <Kilos> first we need beds and so on
[08:49] <Kilos> got an oven inside for food
[08:49] <mobilemonkey> Cool man
[08:50] <mobilemonkey> I see there is an extra food mod that adds vegetables and fruit
[08:52] <mazal> Oom Kilos , link vir info asb. ( game install info , julle server info ens. )
[08:52] <Kilos> and building a massive lit tower so i can see it when i get lost
[08:53] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[08:53] <Kilos> mazal, no killing peeps hey
[08:53] <Kilos> have you read the tutorial
[08:54] <mazal> No I have no info or links
[08:54] <Kilos> wait
[08:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: cool, so sounds like you're still alive ;-)
[08:55] <mazal> pm to me please oom , otherwise it get's lost
[08:55] <Kilos> ya i had to regenerate ThatGraemeGuy but ones loses some of your resources i think
[08:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> ow, sorry man :-(
[08:55] <Kilos> sec mazal
[08:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm a n00b
[08:55] <superfly> ohi
[08:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll check it out again at lunchtime
[08:56] <Kilos> lol not serious i can now see a bit better at night so doing better actually
[08:57] <Kilos> http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Tutorials
[08:57] <Kilos> play a bit on your pc first so you can learn how to do things
[08:57] <Kilos> you choose single player mazal
[08:57] <mazal> No man , I want to play with you
[08:58] <Kilos> you need to know how not to kill me
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> LOL!
[08:58] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, tried to shake hands with me with a pick in his hand
[08:58] <mazal> Can you kill someone without knowing or trying ?
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey man, I said sorry like 3 times now ;-)
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah it's easy
[08:59] <Kilos> left click makes your hand use whatever is in it
[08:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> "mmm i wonder what happens if i click a person. oh, they die. sorry, my bad."
[08:59] <Kilos> sorry ThatGraemeGuy im telling mazal so he dont do it
[08:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was roleplaying dexter
[08:59] <Kilos> lol
[08:59] <mazal> Can I brake down yoru house ?
[09:00] <Kilos> i enjoyed dexter
[09:00] <mazal> break even
[09:00] <mazal> your even , shees
[09:00] <Kilos> mazal, no breaking down what others build
[09:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i dug some elaborate tunnels
[09:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i assume nobody actually built the hills and the trees
[09:01] <Kilos> lol i got lost in some
[09:01] <bduk1> Can we mod some things
[09:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> also i hope nobody falls into a tunnel ;-p
[09:02] <bduk1> ThatGraemeGuy: are you the leader of the underground movement
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> ha, yeah
[09:03] <Kilos> hehe there are some heavy places to fall into and try get out again
[09:05] <mazal> Oom Kilos , moet ek die ppa vat ? Unstable releases , of die deb file c55 ?
[09:06] <Kilos> superfly, have you got the correct download link for the game please
[09:06] <Kilos> i dont wanna give peeps the wrong one
[09:06] <Golynx_> its been night since yesterday , i'm stuck on top of a mountain with red X's at my feet i dont understand
[09:07] <Kilos> you need to set your contrast down and gamma up some to see at night
[09:08] <mazal> I have added this ppa ( link to by the wiki ) deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/stable/ubuntu trusty main
[09:08] <mazal> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/stable/ubuntu trusty main
[09:08] <Kilos> glread the tutorial
[09:08] <Kilos> Golynx_, go read the tutorial
[09:09] <mazal> Then I get public key not available
[09:09] <Golynx_> hmm suddenly its day again
[09:09] <Golynx_> Kilos ook
[09:09] <Kilos> mazal, have you downloaded minetest?
[09:10] <mazal> PPA gives that error
[09:10] <mazal> public key not available
[09:10] <Kilos> wait for the fly to give the right link
[09:10] <Kilos> or ThatGraemeGuy he got it right
[09:10] <Kilos> i used the link the fly gave us in the beginning
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install mintest
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> um minetest, not mintest
[09:14] <nuvolari> hmm, anyone else using Chrome Beta?
[09:14] <mazal> Thanx ThatGraemeGuy
[09:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> nuvolari: Version 36.0.1985.18 dev
[09:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> dev != beta afaik
[09:19] <superfly> Kilos: I just used apt-get to install it
[09:20] <superfly> but I'm using Debian unstable
[09:21] <mobilemonkey> Minetest is in the ubuntu default repos btw
[09:21] <mazal> That will be old version
[09:21] <mazal> Ubuntu repo's usually is old versions
[09:22] <nuvolari> ThatGraemeGuy: any performance issues?
[09:23] <nuvolari> I keep running into situations where my laptop freezes up
[09:23] <mazal> Yay "im in
[09:23] <mazal> Now where is oom Kilos
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> nuvolari: nope, super stable and quick as usual
[09:23] <Kilos> lol look all over for the name they float around
[09:24] <mazal> I see the name Kilos en 'n maaaaaaaa se toring
[09:24] <Kilos> im nearly dead and dunno how to get better
[09:25] <Kilos> ja ek het nou net daar af geval en is amper dood
[09:26] <mazal> Het oom gekry , ek het nie clue wat hier aangaan nie :P
[09:28] <mobilemonkey> Kilos eet apples en die brood vir hp
[09:34] <Kilos> mobilemonkey, how do you eat to get better? im nearly dead
[09:34] <Kilos> i dont see a mouth to put food in
[09:36] <Kilos> i stole your bread but dunno how to eat it, hurry man im dying
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> do the tutorials on the minetest wiki assume that a person is already familiar with minecraft? because they seem very light on info
[09:37] <Kilos> i think so
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> e.g. no mention of eating, and yet judging by this conversation it kinda seems important
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> dminetest how to eat
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[09:38] <Kilos> yeah everytime you fall off something you get weaker
[09:39] <Kilos> superfly, how does one eat to get healthy
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Cooked_Rat
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> delicious
[09:39] <mobilemonkey> Press e to use the item you are carrying, or left click
[09:44] <mazal> Is there a way I can bookmark a location to find it again later ?
[10:01] <mobilemonkey> Thatgraemeguy, the minetest wiki is bare. Never played minecraft or similar myself, and minetest seems more a project in development than a largely popular game
[10:01] <mobilemonkey> So a lot of it is self learning and exploratory
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was digging a tunnel, not sure what i did but i started throwing blocks around and now i seem to have sealed myself underground
[10:05] <mobilemonkey> Whoops. Right click places blocks. Left mines them. This is how you build structures.
[10:36] <smile> hi :D
[10:37] <smile> hi mobilemonkey :)
[10:52] <nuvolari> o/
[10:52] <nuvolari> lo smile
[10:53] <smile> how are you, nuvolari ? :D
[11:03] <Vince-0> surp
[11:28] <Kilos> ai! power cut again
[11:28] <Kilos> did anyone say here how one gets to eat in the game
[11:28] <Kilos> hi inetpro Vince-0
[11:29] <superfly> Kilos: where are you?
[11:29] <mazal> Kilos, select the apple or food , click repeatedly left-click
[11:29] <Kilos> ty ty im still login in there superfly
[11:29] <Kilos> power went off
[11:30] <mazal> I managed to build a very primitive square house :)
[11:30] <mazal> And plant some trees and flowers
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok time to leave
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> good luck finding me
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm on top of a superpillar above the clouds
[12:40] <nuvolari> I'm ok thanks smile
[12:40] <nuvolari> how are you?
[12:40] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[12:41] <nuvolari> lo ThatGraemeGuy, superfly
[12:41] <bduk1> Buy everyone
[12:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[12:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> bye
[12:41] <Kilos> hi nuvolari smile
[12:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> changing of the guard
[12:41] <Kilos> im good ty very involved in staying alive in minetest
[12:42] <Kilos> haha ThatGraemeGuy when i finish my tower ill see you
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> that game is more addictive than it ought to be :-/
[12:42] <Kilos> its a great game
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i have to mine my way down from the tower
[12:42] <Kilos> hehe
[12:42] <Kilos> i love it
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's a single-block column
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> around 300 blocks tall, might take a while to mine my way back
[12:43] <Kilos> haha i had to make mine up a ramp step by step because i battle with the ladder thing
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh mine's not nearly that complicated
[12:43] <Kilos> dont fall off it eats your health
[12:43] <Kilos> dont you see mine
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> look straight down, hold jump, hold right mouse
[12:44] <Kilos> its a massive triangle
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> you keep placing blocks straight under yourself until you run out
[12:44] <Kilos> lol
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not online at the moment
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> lemme see
[12:44] <Kilos> the fly and wes put ladders inside their towers
[12:44] <Kilos> they too clever
[12:46] <mazal> My first home is ok , just bit small
[12:46] <mazal> Will get it bigger with time
[12:46] <mazal> Must just build a huge tower that I can find it easier
[12:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: did you see me?
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> or must i do it again?
[12:47] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[12:47] <Kilos> im trying to get to the top of mine but made some messup in the steps
[12:47] <Kilos> toods mazal
[13:55] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[13:55] <smile> I was a bit late :p
[13:55] <smile> I'm learning for my exams
[13:56] <smile> next week I have a couple of exams :(
[13:57] <Kilos> good luck smile. , study hard lad
[13:58] <Vince-0> zomg, LDAP for the lose
[13:58] <Vince-0> can anyone recommend an easy to configure desktop distro for ldap - ubuntu is lacking somewhat
[13:59] <smile> Kilos: I rather play http://rudradevbasak.github.io/16384_hex/
[14:00] <Kilos> no man study
[14:00] <Kilos> we all getting hooked on minetest
[14:01] <smile> hex is cooler! :p
[14:02] <smile> I'm hungry again :p
[14:07] <smile> Kilos: http://imgur.com/eWDmYlF
[14:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i'm busy mining myself down from my 300+ block column
[14:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> it was a terrible idea
[14:08] <Kilos> hahaha that dont you have ladders
[14:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[14:09] <Kilos> im busy making but need to find food first before i die again
[14:09] <Kilos> you need lotsa wooden planks and then lotsa sticks
[14:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> from my tower i can see lots of apples
[14:10] <Kilos> haha from your tower you must see the world
[14:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i don't know where you are, and i'm too high up to be able to give any useful directions
[14:10] <Kilos> i was disconnected while sorting emails
[14:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> where i am is tons of apples
[14:13] <Kilos> ok im coming
[14:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> but you can fall and die in the dark, maybe wait a bit for sunrise
[15:48] <Kilos> haha peeps are addicted to minetest
[15:48] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[15:48] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[16:11] <kbmonkey> hello
[16:26] <theblazehen> hi kbmonkey
[16:47] <kbmonkey> hi theblazehen
[16:48] <kbmonkey> Kilos, a hoe is like a pick, just take away one block
[16:48] <kbmonkey> 2xsticks, 2xblocks
[17:09] <charl_> good evening all
[17:09] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[17:09]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:09] <charl_> hi kbmonkey, theblazehen, Kilos
[17:10] <theblazehen> h ichar
[17:10] <theblazehen> hi charl_
[17:10] <charl_> :)
[17:10] <theblazehen> lol
[17:10] <charl_> i'm still using source code pro, it's a lekke font !!
[17:10]  * theblazehen is learning LaTeX :D
[17:10] <theblazehen> heh nice charl_ !
[17:11] <charl_> tex eh.... yeah that's a complex thing
[17:11] <charl_> used by researchers
[17:11] <theblazehen> yep..
[17:11] <theblazehen> Just need nice way to get auto update in vim
[17:11] <theblazehen> Currently using this other editor
[17:11] <charl_> auto update ?
[17:11] <theblazehen> So it shows what you typed in the docuemnt
[17:12] <theblazehen> Basically compiles document when you stop typing
[17:12] <charl_> oh i see... a type of preview thing
[17:12] <theblazehen> ya
[17:13] <charl_> shouldn't be hard to do it with a plugin ...
[17:13] <theblazehen> Yeah, I know
[17:13] <theblazehen> But this is temporary system, so too much effort
[17:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[17:14] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[17:14] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[17:14] <charl_> yeah no point then
[17:14] <theblazehen> Maaz coffee plz
[17:14] <Maaz> theblazehen: Excuse me?
[17:14] <theblazehen> Maaz coffee pls
[17:14] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[17:14] <theblazehen> Maaz pot on
[17:14] <Maaz> theblazehen: Excuse me?
[17:14] <theblazehen> Maaz coffe on
[17:14] <Maaz> theblazehen: What?
[17:15] <theblazehen> Maaz coffee on
[17:15]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:15] <charl_> Maaz is not suitable for a maid cafe... :D
[17:15] <charl_> we will have to learn him better
[17:15] <theblazehen> heh, when I saw "Kerbero[dsp]" I thought of Kerberos...
[17:15] <theblazehen> charl_: agreed
[17:16] <charl_> the cat of hak5 is called kerby
[17:16] <charl_> he is named after kerberos
[17:16] <theblazehen> So glad kernel has better support for my graphics now.. Can actually use a VNC console in Java now
[17:17] <theblazehen> charl_: interesting
[17:17] <theblazehen> charl_: Ever try LaTeX?
[17:17] <charl_> no i don't have ant experience
[17:18] <theblazehen> I didn't an hour ago :D
[17:18] <charl_> *any
[17:19] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/qyNqsNC not too bad...
[17:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for theblazehen!
[17:19] <theblazehen> ty Maaz
[17:19] <theblazehen> BTW /me is gonna switch to i3 this weekend
[17:19] <charl_> nice
[17:20] <charl_> been using it for a year now, very happy
[17:20] <theblazehen> great
[17:20] <theblazehen> I just hope it plays well with xdmcmp
[17:22] <charl_> ah you use weechat
[17:22] <theblazehen> yeah :D
[17:22] <charl_> haven't tried it yet, still using irssi
[17:22] <theblazehen> It's great, so far
[17:22] <charl_> ok
[17:23] <theblazehen> Still want it to use powerline symbols and shit though
[17:24] <Kilos> hi charl_
[17:25] <Kilos> sorry was eating
[17:27] <kbmonkey> dont ever be sorry for eating he he ;)
[17:48] <charl_> hi Kilos
[17:48] <charl_> brb need to go vote
[17:48] <charl_> i only have until 21:00 and it's 19:48 already
[17:55] <charl_> ok did my democratic duty
[17:58] <inetpro> good evening
[17:58] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:58] <charl_> hi inetpro
[17:58] <Kilos> haha apt-get install minetest
[18:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgh
[18:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> no minetest for me tonight :'(
[18:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> forgot to throw my mouse in my bag when i left
[18:00] <Kilos> aw why ThatGraemeGuy
[18:00] <Kilos> oh my
[18:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> playing with touchpad is a massive pin
[18:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> and pain too
[18:00] <Kilos> borrow your wifes
[18:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> also has a laptop
[18:01] <Kilos> eish
[18:01] <charl_> what
[18:01] <charl_> you people are speaking in a different language
[18:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> and my htpc also only has a mini keyboard with touchpad
[18:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have 3 or 4 mice, but to find them in the mountain of crap in the garage
[18:01] <Kilos> eina
[18:02] <Kilos> oh well your towers will be there tomorrow
[18:02] <inetpro> guys, please be aware of criminals seemingly able to use stolen mobile phones to send SMS messages en masse in a very short space of time
[18:03] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[18:03] <inetpro> friend of mine's stolen phone got a bill of R18,000
[18:03] <Kilos> ouch
[18:04] <gremble> Oh, that is a pretty interesting attack :P
[18:04] <inetpro> happened in a span of two hours
[18:04] <gremble> Set up a VAS text number and voila
[18:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i got a mouse!
[18:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> wife had one in her laptop bag, woop woop
[18:06] <Kilos> yay
[18:06] <Kilos> kiss her
[18:10] <Private_User> lol
[18:10] <Private_User> evening people
[18:11] <Private_User> ...and get a room
[18:11] <Private_User> LOL
[18:11] <Private_User> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy, charl_, gremble, inetpro, theblazehen and everybody else
[18:12] <Kilos> hi Private_User whats news
[18:12] <Private_User> ah nothing much did not get a chance to get my desktop sorted gonna tackle that just now
[18:13] <Private_User> but I found that the CPU does not seem to lock when I lock the lever
[18:13] <Private_User> I can still remove it
[18:13] <Private_User> not sure if I am doing something wrong or maybe its just a flaw in the hardware
[18:13] <Kilos> thats bad
[18:13] <charl_> hi Private_User
[18:14] <Kilos> see if you can see where the brackets are bent
[18:15] <Private_User> I will check it again more closely
[18:16] <Private_User> but when I place in it does seem like it goes in and does not move if I try to move it but I am able to pick it up
[18:16] <Kilos> something is wrong there it must lock down firmly
[18:17] <Private_User> yeah so I am guessing that is why I was able to remove the heat sink fan with the CPU attached to it
[18:19] <inetpro> yuck!
[18:19] <inetpro> that first screen looks terrible
[18:20] <Kilos> look carefully the locking bar must be bent somewhere
[18:20] <Private_User> ok will do that thanks Kilos will let you know how it goes in a while for now just taking a break ;)
[18:21] <Kilos> ok
[18:23] <theblazehen> Hi Private_User
[18:24]  * theblazehen goes to sleep
[18:24] <theblazehen> o/ magespawn
[18:28] <magespawn> hi theblazehen
[18:33] <magespawn> how are things?
[18:34] <charl_> hi magespawn
[18:34] <charl_> good and you
[18:39] <charl_> hi gremble
[18:39] <gremble> hey charl_
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://i.imgur.com/4mVgncx.png
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is that?
[18:46] <superfly> mese
[18:46] <superfly> it's almost as hard as diamond (which I have yet to find)
[18:46] <superfly> makes AWESOME tools
[18:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i need something special to mine it i suppose
[18:47] <superfly> I think you can mine it with a stone pick
[18:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmkay
[18:47] <superfly> but if you can't, then you need a steel axe
[18:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe just takes long
[18:47] <Kilos> ya it mines fine with normal tools
[18:47] <superfly> if it doesn't start cracking then you need to use something better...
[18:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah stone pickaxe is no good
[18:49] <Kilos> have you found some ThatGraemeGuy i can put a steel pickage in the chest for you
[18:49] <Kilos> pickaxe
[18:49] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:50] <magespawn> hi Kilos charl_
[18:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> i drilled straight down to get here
[18:50] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <Kilos> you and your straight up and down
[18:51] <Kilos> more bones lying around
[18:51] <Kilos> you gotta make steps man
[18:51] <magespawn> sorry, ami missing something here
[18:51] <Kilos> minetest magespawn
[18:51] <Kilos> you gotta sort your networking
[18:52] <Kilos> very addictive game
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> argh
[18:52] <Kilos> lotsa fun too
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> so to make a steel pickaxe i need iron lumps that i convert to steel in a furnace
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have everything, except only 2 lumps of iron
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> i need to have 3 steel ingots
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> noooooooooooo
[18:53] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, if you put lotsa ladders in you inventary you might be able to fit them to get out
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm going to dig up and hope to find it again
[18:53] <Kilos> mark it with lights or something strange
[18:54] <Kilos> go get a steel pickache by my chest
[18:54] <Kilos> then ill get some mese from you later
[18:56] <magespawn> #ubuntu-za-minetest
[18:56] <Kilos> in the left chest by my big tower there are some steel tools
[18:56] <Kilos> hehe
[18:56] <Kilos> less work gets done in za daily
[18:57] <Kilos> im sure half the govt plays minecraft
[18:59] <gremble> I wouldnt be so confident in their ability
[18:59] <Kilos> rofl
[19:01] <magespawn> i have to vote with gremble on that one
[19:02] <gremble> Your votes mean nothing
[19:02] <gremble> j/k
[19:02] <gremble> Stay in school kids, and vote
[19:03] <Kilos> gremble, you in ptown did you say?
[19:03] <gremble> Yes
[19:04] <Kilos> sjoe cold like me and pro
[19:04] <gremble> I'm wearing cape union fleece and socks
[19:04] <gremble> Diseased people like me need to be kept wrapped up in snuggles
[19:05] <Kilos> diseased?
[19:05] <gremble> Ya, flu haha
[19:05] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:05] <smile> see ya :p
[19:05] <Kilos> toods smile sleep tight
[19:06] <smile> you too! :D
[19:06] <magespawn> right, meant that by way of agreement
[19:06] <Kilos> ive had it now for going on 2 months
[19:06] <Kilos> but bearable atm
[19:06] <Kilos> worst flu ever
[19:07] <Kilos> now learning to live with the cough
[21:57] <Kilos> night you night owls. sleep tight


[00:09] <popey> AlanBell: bet you get sladen :)
[00:09] <popey> he's just arrived
[00:55] <duanedesign> what is the time of the first UDS session in GMT?
[00:55] <maco> 7 i think
[00:55] <maco> its usually 8 local time iirc
[00:55] <duanedesign> ok 8 brussels time
[00:56] <duanedesign> ok and Brussels is +2
[00:57] <nhandler> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-l/2009-11-16/ says the first session starts at 09:00 (I assume brussels time)
[00:57] <duanedesign> so maco was right 7 :)
[00:58] <maco> no thatd be 8 GMT
[00:58] <maco> er
[00:58] <maco> its summer time
[00:58] <maco> so its BST right now in britain which is UTC+1
[00:58] <maco> its 7 UTC
[01:02] <duanedesign> nhandler: see,s the first sessions after the intro and keynote
[01:03] <duanedesign> nhandler: seems the first sessions after the intro and keynote start at 5 am (our time)
[01:03] <duanedesign> not too bad. Your usually up at 6 anyway :)
[01:19] <nhandler> Yeah, but I won't be around to watch the sessions duanedesign :(
[01:25] <ddecator> bah, most of the sessions i want to be in start at 3am or 4am...
[02:58] <nigelbabu> ddecator: lol, dedication dude, wake up early
[02:59] <ddecator> nigelbabu: i plan on it for at least thursday. i'll be up more than 24-hours that day, even though i'll have classes
[03:00] <nigelbabu> ddecator: woo! cool, most of the sessions are from 11:30 am for me, very comfortable
[03:00] <ddecator> nigelbabu: lucky, i have to get up at 3am for the bugsquad roadmap session, haha
[03:00] <nigelbabu> ddecator: oh thats though
[03:01] <ddecator> nigelbabu: then maybe a nap, two more sessions, classes, train back home, then stay up late for another session the next morning, haha
[03:01]  * nigelbabu bows
[03:02]  * ddecator wonders why nigelbabu is bowing
[03:03]  * nigelbabu would rather miss UDS that attend with that punishing schedule
[03:04] <ddecator> that's why i'm only doing it the one day, haha. bugsquad roadmap, default apps (gonna defend firefox) and talking about browser performance. big day
[03:05] <nigelbabu> ddecator: waiting someone wants to replace firefox? with what? lynx? :D
[03:05] <nigelbabu> s/waiting/wait
[03:05] <ddecator> theres some debate about possibly making chromium the default
[03:06] <nigelbabu> slim chances if you ask me
[03:07] <ddecator> that's what i'm hoping
[03:29] <duanedesign> ddecator: yes i saw there was going to be debate on the browser
[03:29] <ddecator> duanedesign: yah, i already added to the whiteboard for it, but i want to be able to add my input during the session
[05:31] <Pendulum> morning
[05:34] <ddecator> morning Pendulum
[06:10] <nigelbabu> heya Pendulum :)
[12:25] <bencrisford> hola :)
[12:25] <bencrisford> hows uds going?
[12:30] <bencrisford> nigelbabu: putty/vlc/gobby arent working
[12:30] <bencrisford> some kind of restriction
[12:30] <bencrisford> cant run .exes
[12:41] <bencrisford> qense: afternoon :)
[12:42] <qense> bencrisford: hello!
[12:42] <bencrisford> qense: how are things going?
[12:45] <nigelbabu> bencrisford: great :D
[12:45] <nigelbabu> qense: so far so good eh?
[12:45] <maco> nigelbabu: what is going on in #u-w?
[12:46] <nigelbabu> maco: absolutely no clue, was out for close to 45 minutes when UDS split for lunch
[12:46] <nigelbabu> looks like its a total mess
[12:46] <qense> bencrisford: So far so good. :)
[12:46] <qense> I'm handling some private mail in the auditorium while waiting for the plenaries to start.
[12:47] <qense> Lunch was good. ;)
[12:47] <qense> maco: You're really not here? :( Didn't sneak inside someone's luggage?
[12:47] <maco> qense: no i have an exam in 3hr. dont want to fail out of school!
[12:48] <qense> ah, important stuff
[12:48] <qense> a shame they planned it this badly, they could have known there was an UDS!
[12:49] <bencrisford> qense: last year I had a weeks holiday co-inciding with UDS
[12:49] <bencrisford> but this year - no such luck :(
[12:52] <qense> maco: Good luck with your exams!
[12:52] <maco> thanks
[12:57] <cjohnston> hey qense
[12:57] <qense> hi cjohnston!
[12:58] <nigelbabu> cjohnston: hows it going so far?
[12:58] <cjohnston> not bad
[12:58] <qense> good
[12:58] <cjohnston> havin fun
[12:58] <cjohnston> just need clothes
[12:59] <nigelbabu> your luggage isn't there yet?
[12:59] <cjohnston> no
[12:59] <cjohnston> still in us
[13:00] <nigelbabu> huh?
[13:00] <nigelbabu> how come?
[13:01] <cjohnston> they didnt put it on my plane
[13:02] <nigelbabu> oh great, so shopping for clothres today?
[13:02] <cjohnston> maybe
[13:05] <bencrisford> rright, I gotta go
[13:05] <bencrisford> enjoy the rest of the day
[13:05] <cjohnston> o/
[13:05] <bencrisford> qense: nigelbabu: ^ :)
[13:06] <nigelbabu> byw :)
[15:29] <doctormo> What is the IRC channel for systems admins at UDS?
[15:30] <cjohnston> doctormo: #canonical-sysadmin
[15:31] <doctormo> I'm looking for someone to help me figure out my inability to suspend, it's killing my ability to use my laptop and move around.
[15:31] <cjohnston> what type of processor
[15:32] <doctormo> core2 duo
[15:32] <doctormo> System76 machine
[15:32] <cjohnston> reason i ask is i know there are problems with the i cores
[15:32] <doctormo> Ah crappy cpus ;-)
[15:33] <doctormo> I didn't go anywhere
[15:37] <czajkowski> not sys admin issue
[15:37] <czajkowski> desktop
[15:39] <akgraner> czajkowski, desktop I thought suspend resume was kernel?
[15:39] <czajkowski> aye guess so
[15:40] <doctormo> Probably right, kernel, either way it's hurting my performance at this UDS
[15:40] <czajkowski> mine doest work on this machine since i upgraded
[15:40] <czajkowski> shrugs
[15:40] <czajkowski> too busy tbh to worry
[15:42] <doctormo> czajkowski: My battery is also gone, it lasts for maybe 20 mins, if I could suspend then I could save the state.
[15:42] <doctormo> Right now I have to shut down after each session, or run to the next one and plug it in
[15:43] <Technoviking> morning all
[15:43] <czajkowski> Technoviking: aloha
[16:43] <nigelbabu> jcastro: poke
[16:44] <nigelbabu> jcastro: /ws 59
[16:44] <nigelbabu> grr
[16:44] <nigelbabu> jcastro: the thing I've been working for the reviewers team is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-review-overview
[16:44] <nigelbabu> you can take a poke.  It currently has issues, I get 410 erros and still dont know how to deal with that
[16:45] <nigelbabu> and it takes a long time to run
[17:02] <bencrisford> qense: nigelbabu: unfortunately, it seems I wont even be able to use webchat.freenode from school anymore
[17:02] <popey> czajkowski: where you?
[17:04] <qense> bencrisford: awww
[17:04] <bencrisford> qense: was on it at school, and then the sysadmins remotely logged me off, came and found me and told me off :(
[17:04] <bencrisford> its now blocked I think
[17:05] <qense> That's a shame.
[17:05] <bencrisford> indeed it is
[17:05] <bencrisford> i've actually been pretty lucky that ive gotten away with it for so long
[17:05] <bencrisford> and apparently they were watching me chat for like 20 minutes, which doesnt make any difference really I guess
[17:06] <qense> Why were they watching for so long? Interested?
[17:06] <bencrisford> but I do talk about them sometimes :P, being newbie enough to not block webchat.f.n
[17:06] <bencrisford> qense: no, apparently the guy who spotted it didnt know what to do, and checked with his boss
[17:06] <qense> ah
[17:07] <bencrisford> because I could have had work etc.
[17:09] <czajkowski> popey: in room
[17:09] <czajkowski> popey: can be in reception in 5


[09:48] <jibel> wubi download disk images from the wrong url
[09:48] <jibel> I filed bug 924752
[09:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 924752 in wubi "wubi r255 - Ubuntu Desktop failed to install from disk image - wrong download url" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924752
[09:49] <cjwatson> argh
[09:50] <cjwatson> it's meant to have a fallback ...
[09:53] <cjwatson> ev: ^- please could you look at this?  judging by my inbox I have at least one or two other milestone criticals :(
[09:53] <cjwatson> and I don't know the background task machinery that's being invoked here
[10:15] <ev> cjwatson: sure thing
[10:15] <cjwatson> lifesaver
[15:51] <bdmurray> cjwatson: bug 924437 seems invalid to me but I'm not 100% certain
[15:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 924437 in ubiquity "Welcome screen release notes link points to ubuntu.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924437
[15:54] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I've posted some comments
[15:55] <cjwatson> it's either invalid or reassign-elsewhere depending on the details
[15:57] <bdmurray> cjwatson: also ubi-language.py has _ver = '11.10' in it
[15:59] <cjwatson> haha
[15:59] <cjwatson> it's only a fallback but yes
[16:01] <CIA-2> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5152 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-language.py): Bump fallback Ubuntu version number in ubi-language to 12.04.
[17:26] <bdmurray> Isn't there a ubiquity bug regarding handling errors with downloading updates better?
[17:27] <bdmurray> ah bug 876298
[17:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 876298 in update-manager "[MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298
[20:50] <bdmurray> would the proposed fix in bug 876298 help with corrupted packages, bug 922949, at all?
[20:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 876298 in update-manager "[MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298
[20:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 922949 in ubiquity "installer carshed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922949


[15:26] <thelinuxbox> hi, i'd like to remove xfce4-appfinder* but it wants to also remove xubuntu-core* xubuntu-desktop*, is their a way to prevent that?
[15:41] <aenderboy> hi,
[15:41] <aenderboy> even though my xfce displays.xml contains a reasonable configuration, my displays end up in this wierd unusable state: http://i.imgur.com/6u8xIus.png
[15:41] <aenderboy> why? my displays.xml: https://pastebin.com/kxrQUKxE
[15:41] <aenderboy> as soon as i use the settings ui to rearrange the displays as specified in the displays.xml, i have usable setup again. Even though the displays.xml didn't change at all.
[15:41] <aenderboy> i am running xubuntu16LTS
[16:27] <pjotter> Hi everyone. I have a problem involving ipv4 and ipv6 in Xubuntu. Can I ask in here?
[18:13] <xubuntu90i> Hi
[18:17] <xubuntu90i> after a windows news i try to install news xubuntu but :
[18:17] <xubuntu90i> ubi user setup failed with exit code
[18:17] <xubuntu90i> Thx for your help
[18:18] <xubuntu90i> ubi user setup failded with exit code 10 ;)
[18:21] <xubuntu90i> first time i had e error: no such partion
[18:22] <xubuntu90i> entering rescue mode...
[18:22] <xubuntu90i> grub rescue>
[18:23] <xubuntu90i> i try to find the hd0,msdos but i can't so i try to install new xubuntu partition but i've got new problems
[18:23] <xubuntu90i> ubi user setup failded with exit code 10
[18:23] <xubuntu90i> if some one can help me
[18:23] <xubuntu90i> Takk
[18:23] <Jimubuntu> help-resetting Xubuntu keyring password
[18:24] <Jimubuntu> sorry! Hello everybody!
[18:24] <xubuntu90i> hello
[18:28] <xubuntu90i> Someone ?
[18:29] <well_laid_lawn> Jimubuntu:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/533324/change-keyring-password-on-xubuntu
[18:29] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu90i:  I don't know anything about ubi
[18:29] <xubuntu90i> Merci
[18:30] <xubuntu90i> I'll try later... thx
[18:30] <xubuntu90i> bye
[18:32] <Jimubuntu> I could really use some help-anybody.....?
[18:33] <Jimubuntu> reset keyring password in CAELinux
[18:35] <Jimubuntu> just saw link, thanks well_aid_lawn
[19:04] <koolkalang> Hi all, problem with linux headers update
[19:04] <koolkalang> updating to linux-headers-4.13.0-31 gets my Software Updater stuck at configuring. I'm on Xubuntu 17.10 :/
[20:30] <CoderEurope> NickServ identify bear
[20:32] <CoderEurope> elderly mistake.
[21:42] <knome> CoderEurope, you need stronger passwords.
[21:46] <Unit193> And SASL.
[22:43] <CoderEurope> where is the |  http://readthedocs.org/   |  for what you've just said ?
[22:44] <knome> "freenode sasl" gives https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl as the first ink
[22:44] <knome> maybe it's there.
[22:45] <CoderEurope> https://readthedocs.org/projects/xubuntu/ Oh
[22:47] <knome> the xubuntu documentation can be found at https://xubuntu.org/help/
[22:47] <CoderEurope> is that in spanish aswell ?
[22:48] <knome> i'm not your servant, maybe find out yourself?
[22:49] <CoderEurope> extraordinary
[22:50] <CoderEurope> Anyway - I don't have access to the eMail any more assoc'd with this account, so I can't.
[22:50] <knome> try #freenode
[22:51] <knome> also, if you have your password, you should be able to change your email too
[22:51] <Unit193> (That's also false that you can't.)
[22:51] <knome> true
[22:52] <CoderEurope> how ambivalent.


[00:31] <evils[m]> ok, boot.mount failed with `filesystem 'bpool/BOOT/ubuntu_stgfu2' cannot be mounted`, lsblk shows bpool and rpool partitions, zfs list only shows rpool stuff
[00:47] <evils[m]> imported the bpool partition, it showed up in zfs list, boot.mount seems to have started
[00:55] <robinhood2021> I have experience using Arch Linux in that, in order to install packages remotely to a mounted filesystem, I use the command "pacstrap /path/to/filesystem packagename". Is there a similar apt-based command for doing that in Ubuntu?
[01:02] <ravage> robinhood2021, i dont think there is a tool that does excactly that. you usually chroot into the mounted filesystem and then use apt
[01:02] <sarnold> robinhood2021: no; you can use a chroot to cause that mounted filesystem to *be* the new root
[01:03] <sarnold> robinhood2021: dpkg has some command line options to try to make this happen. ignore those. no one tests those, and I think they require packages to support them. as far as I know, no packages support installing elsewhere. chroot is your best answer here.
[01:03] <robinhood2021> Yes, I understand that. But when I chroot into the mounted filesystem, now it's unable to connect to the internet from within the chroot -- when I try 'ping -c 3 ubuntu.com', I get "Temporary failure in name resolution."
[01:03] <robinhood2021> Yet the network works fine from the live environment.
[01:03] <ravage> copy /etc/resolv.conf over
[01:04] <ravage> or create your own in the chroot
[01:08] <robinhood2021> Okay, now it works in chroot, but when I reboot and go directly into the installed environment, the network doesn't work anymore. Suspecting a missing dhcpcd package; will attempt to install it now.
[01:14] <robinhood2021> Got it! Ubuntu Server Edition really makes you think; it's geared toward power users.
[01:58] <amaefule> hi
[02:32] <evils[m]> hmm, my dad's computer is booting again (seems like the zfs import fixed it)
[02:32] <evils[m]> but apparently it's still on linux 5.4, and i think that's causing snaps to fail due to `cannot attach cgroup program: Operation not permitted`
[02:32] <evils[m]> anyone know what the right way is to update that to linux 5.15?
[02:34] <rdr> cant you just do apt dist-upgrade or something?
[02:34] <rdr> i'm not following closely though so something might be blocking you
[02:34] <evils[m]> dist-upgrade says everything is up-to-date
[02:34] <rdr> ok, what version are you running?
[02:35] <evils[m]> i suspect i have to tell it to switch to a different linux package, but there's like a million...
[02:35] <rdr> like of, Ubuntu
[02:35] <evils[m]> supposedly 22.04, this is after an automatic update from 20.04
[02:35] <evils[m]> apt definitely has the jammy sources
[02:35] <rdr> you can go into /etc/apt/sources.list and see what it is pointing at exactly
[02:36] <rdr> 'did you do sudo apt update yet?
[02:36] <evils[m]> yea
[02:36] <rdr> hmm that's strange then
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[02:37] <rdr> you do have to reboot into the new kernel, but it should select automagically
[02:37] <evils[m]> fairly sure i made sure everything was up-to-date when i was still in recovery mode
[02:38] <evils[m]> i suspect the issue is related to zfs somehow losing track of bpool (whence /boot) and it therefore being stuck on an older kernel
[02:38] <rdr> do you have any options other than what you booted and recovery mode, when booting? you might have to force it to show grub, i forget if that's holding shift or what
[02:39] <rdr> I don't use zfs on ubuntu so might not be much help
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[02:40] <evils[m]> ok, kinda feels like if i remove the local installs of 5.4 it'll fall back to 5.15?
[02:41] <rdr> yeah hopefully, but you don't want to remove a running kernel
[02:41] <evils[m]> (not sure if the screenshots are coming through on irc though)
[02:41] <rdr> yeah i got em
[02:41] <rdr> so it is installed, just not booting to them
[02:42] <evils[m]> i would assume the tooling will make sure i know when i leave the system without a kernel...
[02:42] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic jammy | evils[m]
[02:42] <rdr>  maybe it didn't get grub updated?  thats when it failed?
[02:42] <evils[m]>  /boot only has 5.4 images
[02:43] <rdr> try "sudo update-grub" and see if it finds 5.15
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[02:44] <Bashing-om> evils[m]: ^ see too ; dpkg -l linux-image-generic .
[02:44] <rdr> looks like it found it
[02:44] <rdr> and then just a matter of booting it perhaps?
[02:45] <evils[m]> dpkg -l linux-image-generic .
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[02:45] <evils[m]> wrong paste xD
[02:46] <evils[m]> hmm, still only 5.4 in /boot, shouldn't it drop a new image there?
[02:46] <rdr> maybe it didn't install fully then?  i'm not certain how the process works
[02:55] <evils[m]> ok, ordered a reinstall of 5.15, no change to /boot
[02:56] <evils[m]> uninstalled one of the two linux-image packages for 5.4, no change to /boot
[02:56] <evils[m]> did an autoremove to get rid of that uninstalled package, now that entry is gone from /boot
[02:58] <Bashing-om> evils[m]: Per the warning message in grub's update ^ - might be good to add " GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=FALSE " to your /etc/default/grub file ??
[03:09] <evils[m]> OS prober is disabled by default
[03:09] <evils[m]> this is not a multi-boot setup, i'm gonna leave it as-is
[03:12] <Bashing-om> evils[m]: is but a thought - rpool >> "other bootable partition" ?
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[03:30] <evils[m]> it also warns when os-prober is enabled
[03:31] <evils[m]> gonna risk a reboot now though
[03:55] <evils[m]> yea, that's not coming back online
[03:55] <evils[m]> summary of the above in case someone sees this later:
[03:56] <lagunaloire> i have been trying to build the chromium source code since it says it builds for a ubuntu system....however, as it compiles it gets to some java stuff in the browser that uses the jdk...and it says that the java stuff is for android builds only...not linux...what can be done about this
[03:56] <evils[m]> bodgy automatic 20.04 -> 22.04 update ended up stuck on linux 5.4 causing snaps not to work, no idea how to make that work again
[03:58] <lagunaloire> i found a patch about the java stuff on ubuntu for chromium but it is specifically for version 92 which does no good since the code today is around version 109
[03:59] <rbox> lagunaloire: the chromium browser is in the ubuntu repos, so just download the deb source and see what commands are being used to compile it
[04:00] <lagunaloire> rbox...there is no deb source..i tried enabling deb source in apt but it when you try to install the source it just says to get the binary from the snap store
[04:00] <lagunaloire> rbox..what is needed is an updated patch for version 109 or so ..not that 92 stuff
[04:01] <rbox> or you just need to build it properly... then no patch necessary
[04:01] <lagunaloire> rbox...what is this crap that only legitimate android customers are allowed to make use of java code in the browser
[04:01] <rbox> sounds like a question for google...
[04:02] <lagunaloire> rbox...no i even tried to fake an android build target but it is too smart and won't allow it
[04:02] <lagunaloire> rbox what utter crap
[04:02] <rbox> [09:01:43 PM] <rbox> sounds like a question for google...
[04:03] <lagunaloire> rbox at least firefox builds but it doesn't work too well since it needs pulseaudio and i don't use that pulse crap
[04:04] <rbox> OMG!? NOT PULSE AUDIO
[04:04] <rbox> ANYTHING BUT THAT
[04:04]  * rbox ignores the moron
[04:05] <lagunaloire> rbox this is utter crap...reserving java capability for android customers only
[04:06] <lagunaloire> rbox and plus they want you to pay money for the google API keys
[04:07] <lagunaloire> do they think money grows on trees just because they are filthy rich pigs...what about us poor people
[04:12] <lagunaloire> at least wallmart is selling brand new windows10 laptops for $99 from Gateway to help the poor but not many others care
[04:13] <lagunaloire> but even that is only for a few days
[04:23] <polymorphic> I seem to have completely broken an upgrade from 21.04 to 22.04.1, which I am having to do over ssh.  During the upgrade, the process was hung for 10 minutes on a Firefox snap install, which seemed to be a commonly reported problem. Looking at askubuntu, I did some research and one person mentioned Ctrl+C'ing out of the do-release-upgrade installer
[04:23] <polymorphic> (https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404419/22-04-installation-hung-at-firefox-snap).
[05:38] <lagunaloire> america the land of rich fascist badge toting, plotters of bad against the poor Doctors!.
[05:41] <lagunaloire> it reminds me of the days when the founding fathers of this country were sick and tired of the fascist militaristic goons serving the filthy rich King of England and dispensing all kinds of injustice to the poor American rebels
[05:42] <lagunaloire> as stated in the reasons for the Declaration of Independence from England for the US
[05:46] <lagunaloire> one person i recall his last words after going to the gallows as condemned to die by the injustices of the British...in his last words said "I regret that i only have one life to give for the defense of America against the intolerable British"
[05:47] <quazimodo> so weird one, i can't get a device running 18.04 to go into safe mode
[05:47] <quazimodo> doesn't matter how much he spams del, left shift or escape
[05:48] <lagunaloire> but its not just the British...it is all kinds of filthy rich snob assholes that hire sherrifs of Nottingham, and Police Dicks, to dispense injustice against poor well-trained Doctors
[05:59] <lagunaloire> i wonder...for how many good,decent, and fruitful Doctors have been trampled on by those hired fascist guns that the rich people for with their taxes to constantly punish the poor/
[06:00] <Max_On> No Worries
[06:00] <lagunaloire> the rich people pay for with their taxes just to use them against poor Honorable Doctors of the highest calibre
[06:00] <Max_On> Hello Ubuntu
[06:00] <ruxys> Trying to install KeepNote. Requires python-glade2_2.24.0-5.1ubuntu2_amd64.deb & python-gtk2_2.24.0-5.1ubuntu2_amd64.deb to install keepnote_0.7.8-1.1_all.deb on Ubuntu 22.04.  Any help to keep KeepNote alive greatly appreciated!!!
[06:01] <applecuckoo> lagunaloire I believe the chat channel is #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:02] <Max_On> As an integrated "off site" statement.  Ubuntu "Rox?      done.
[06:04] <lagunaloire> and not only that but a lot of those fascist Police Dicks that are servants of the Rich...happen to be BLACK and have a grudge against WHITE caucasian GREEK doctors
[06:05] <Max_On> I am here for the mere suggestion that Ubuntu is the ultimate operating system for the ages.. I, am done with with interruptions, Thank You for yur time and efforts, G,Day.
[06:06] <lagunaloire> and don't forget the relatives..the Sherrifs of Nottingham
[06:07] <Max_On> I see chuna has infiltrated our text relations.
[06:08] <lagunaloire> is it my fault that white is the color of purity and goodness while BLACK is the color of Darkness and Evil
[06:10] <lagunaloire> and its no fun watching all those BLACK POLICE PIGS and Servants of the RiCH...prance around in their fancy uniforms with their shiny weapons while you are stuck behind bars wondering if you will ever make a dime as the doctor you were trained to be
[06:10] <Max_On> fuq U china.  /quit
[06:13] <webchat88> Hey. Quick question. I'm on Ubuntu 22.10 Gnome. For some reason, "imagemagick (color depth=q16)" appeared in "show applications" as a program. I understand ImageMagick is a dependency and is part of the system, but it wasn't there as an app in a drawer yesterday, btw "applications" drawer was glitching yesterday, showing glimpse into the next
[06:13] <webchat88> screen instead of arrows. Also after removing Super Tux Kart  empty space appeared, and I accidentally dragged ClamAV TK into it, it turned into a folder and I had two shortcuts to ClamAV one in apps another in the newly created folder, I dragged it out, and long story short, I purged ClamAV (for a different reason) and it's GUI and reinstalled
[06:13] <webchat88> CLI version and decided not to bother with GUI because it's slow. Not sure it's related, simply telling what led to "ImageMagick (color depth=q16)" appearing as an app. I don't have much installed, Snap GIMP, VLC and Audacity, and regular Brave, Qutebrowser, Vim, Kitty, and GUI for UFW. So my system is pretty clean.
[06:16] <lagunaloire> webchat88 well you could have some corrupted code...the stuff doesn't glitch here except for thunderbird issues....or you could have a shoddy driver problem by a conman video company
[06:17] <lagunaloire> webchat88...there are all kinds of dishonest assholes in this world ..not just the Sherrifs of Nottingham
[06:18] <lagunaloire> webchat88 you know...the people that cheated their way through school...or rubbed shoulders with the rich for favors..and have no scruples against robbing of the innocent
[06:29] <lagunaloire> webchat88 just look at some of those cheats and flunkees and swindlers of society that come in here and don't even know how to use a pair of scissors..let alone anything more complex
[06:35] <stomanata> Hi, can somebody help me with bluetooth. I see option to send file, but i need to receive file. I`m using ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS
[06:36] <webchat88> lagunaloire: I don't think it's a driver issue, I used word Glitch incorrectly as that implies graphical problems like artifacts, I should have said, "applications drawer was misbehaving". But I guess some code may be corrupted, no sure how it happened, but the system is running fairly smoothly otherwise. I forgot to mention I set environment
[06:36] <webchat88> variable to enable Pixel perfect trackpad scrolling in firefox (MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1) that solved two problems - Firefox launching to black screen (problem also mentioned by reddit user u/TuffActinTinactin), and enabled buttery smooth scrolling (instead of the default 3 lines at a time scrolling). Still, it's strange that "imagemagick (color
[06:36] <webchat88> depth=q16)" would appear out of nowhere appear as an application in the app drawer =\
[06:36] <lagunaloire> stomanata you can do either one....but you have to pair the devices first...that is a major drawback of bluetooth...with libmtp you don't have those prioblems
[06:39] <lagunaloire> webchat88 well i think it might be too late for environmental variables...you usually set those before you compile the code
[06:40] <stomanata> i have installed libmtp. My phone says "agree that password is ****" but i`m not shure is this right pass. I can`t see where in my linux to set pass
[06:42] <ruxys> With bluetooth and connecting earbuds issues in past, I learned to reset bluetooth use command sudo rmmod btusb; sleep1; sudo modprobe btusb
[06:42] <lagunaloire> stomanata...you don't need passwords for libmtp...just push the screen where it says usb-port charging...and it will come up and ask you if you want to change to file-transer...push that...and open up caja or nautilus, thunar or whatever, and open the directories of your phone for file transfers either way
[06:45] <lagunaloire> stomanata or you can use files in your phone to transfer downloads, movies, music whatever to a micro sd card in your phone and just take it out and plug it into your usb port
[06:45] <lagunaloire> somanata and you don't that worthless password bullshit for anything
[06:50] <lagunaloire> stomanata i did find that dolphin of kde doesn't work like all the rest...but you can use kdeconnect to solve it...however it requires that you put an extra app on your phone
[06:55] <webchat88> lagunaloire: sadly so many phones now don't come with a microsd port, glued in battery, no memory card, and soon eSIM only, sad future.. I guess he can connect phone directly though a usb and mount it, if it's Android it works seamlessly, connect - mount - unlock your phone - transfer files. Anyway, thank you for your answers, I appreciate it. So
[06:55] <webchat88> many users on here, but channel feels dead, strange.
[06:56] <lagunaloire> webchat88 well i have seen hundreds of extremely cheap phones that let you transfer just fine...and nearly of them have replacable batteries and micro sd slots
[06:57] <lagunaloire> webchat88 anybody that glues batteries to stop the consumer from repairing their own purchased equipment is a scammer and needs to be driven out of business
[06:57] <stomanata> lagunaloire i can`t understand  "just push the screen where it says usb-port charging"
[06:57] <webchat88> Agreed.
[06:58] <lagunaloire> just like anybody that charges more than say $30 for a telephone
[06:58] <lagunaloire> stomanata..just plug the phone into one of your usb ports and you should see a notification on the screen that says charging..tap it to open the menu to select file transfer
[06:59] <stomanata> eh... i want to be over bluetooth. I don`t want to be via usb cable
[06:59] <lagunaloire> stomanata...well the do the hard way i dont care
[07:00] <lagunaloire> stomanata just pair them up
[07:00] <stomanata> on my previos laptop it work great, but i can`t use it :(
[07:00] <stomanata> it fails to pair
[07:00] <lagunaloire> stomanata...well sounds like a software issue to me...perhaps changing protocols and so on
[07:01] <lagunaloire> stomanata try the $30 phones..why pay more when they do just fine
[07:01] <stomanata> now it give me wrong pass/pin
[07:01] <lagunaloire> stomanata well you asked for the hard way...so tough it out
[07:01] <stomanata> it don`t ask to put/wrote pass. It says "agree that pass is ****"
[07:05] <stomanata> is there other good software except bluez to try
[07:06] <lagunaloire> stomanata i always tested with bluez and never had a problem..but i hate bluetooth for trying to transfer anything...just plug it into your usb port like every body else
[07:08] <lagunaloire> stomanata either the phone or the microsd card..put either one in the usb port
[07:13] <oerheks> bluez +1
[07:21] <chromebittin> morning
[07:22] <lagunaloire> chromebittin morning to you..you must be on the other corner of the flat earth....it is night here
[07:24] <chromebittin> lagunaloire: Sweden so yeah
[07:24] <lagunaloire> chromebittin...sweden..isn't abba from sweden...i really like their music
[07:25] <chromebittin> they are
[07:25] <lagunaloire> chromebittin well i will never forget them...i thank them for making such quality music that had good harmony and melody
[07:25] <chromebittin> heh
[07:26] <lagunaloire> chromebittin but i heard the men could not keep the women happy and both of them divorced as couples....we have the same problems with women in  America too
[07:27] <chromebittin> oh i have not read up on all the story
[07:28] <lagunaloire> chromebittin...well i heard agneta and the freida married the 2 men of the band but the men could not keep them happy...like king arthur we have the same problem here...that is why i say happy wife, happy life because it is so rare
[07:28] <chromebittin> ah
[07:29] <lagunaloire> chromebittin but i saved up and bought one of their cd's because i really like their music...especially "the one who is crying now"
[07:30] <oerheks> please move this conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic or #80's
[07:31] <lagunaloire> oerheks well you should be polite and courteous to swedish people..they are kind and have made great contributions in many fields
[07:32] <chromebittin> well this channel is only for Ubuntu Support however
[07:35] <lagunaloire> oerheks would you rather answer questions for those fascist religous mongrels in Iran that murder helpless teenage girls that just want to be free and ditch their veils and let their hair flow gracefully in the wind
[07:35] <oerheks> !ot | lagunaloire
[07:36] <oerheks> please do not go on ..
[07:53] <lagunaloire> oerheks as you wish...i am checking into ubuntu-offtopic...i can't understand why you think dry, boring code issues is more important than young Iranian teenage girls being murdered by the fascists Sherrifs of Nottingham or at least pay some respects to 70 year old artists who tried to brighten our world with some decent sound
[07:54] <oerheks> !ops
[08:37] <vipqinske> I'm not getting sound on my laptop.
[08:38] <vipqinske> Is there a package manager on ubunto?
[08:39] <vipqinske> Is there a package manager on ubuntu?
[08:40] <murmel> dabbler: could you fix it?
[09:05] <vipqinske> Is there the International keyboard layout in ubuntu?
[09:48] <blahdeblah> Does the kernel team still maintain a PPA or similar with more bleeding edge kernels than are present in 22.04 HWE?  I have a wifi card in my new laptop which apparently requires 5.16+ and the HWE kernel is on 5.15.
[09:48] <blahdeblah> I thought there used to be a nightly kernel build PPA that we could add, but I can't seem to find it in my browser history or some initial web searches.
[09:52] <ravage> !mainline | blahdeblah
[09:54] <blahdeblah> Thanks ravage
[10:21] <murmel> vipqinske: what do you mean by international keyboard layot?
[10:23] <lotuspsychj3> blahblah441: HWE for 22.04 will be released in february, aka kernel 5.19
[10:23] <murmel> lotuspsychj3: do you happen to know when -edge comes out?
[10:23] <lotuspsychj3> blahblah441: mainline kernels are good for testing purposes, not for daily use best
[10:24] <lotuspsychj3> sorry no murmel, maybe the #ubuntu-kernel crew can answer that
[10:24] <murmel> awesome thanks :). sitting almost in the same boat, as my modem doesn't work on 5.15
[10:25] <lotuspsychj3> got a bug ID about it murmel ?
[10:25] <murmel> lotuspsychj3: the driver was only integrated in 5.18, so I didn't put in a bug ;)
[10:26] <lotuspsychj3> oh
[10:26] <lotuspsychj3> whats the brand of your computer murmel
[10:27] <lotuspsychj3> some cases OEM kernels can help your brand
[10:27] <murmel> lotuspsychj3: dell latitude, but not certified with ubuntu (but shipped with it) the modem is a intel xmm7360 ;)
[10:27] <murmel> (driver is called iosm)
[10:28] <murmel> lotuspsychj3: using the oem kernel breaks the intel panel self refresh, that's why I stay on the hwe kernel ;)
[10:29] <lotuspsychj3> as in flickering?
[10:29] <murmel> lotuspsychj3: no as in screen tearing
[10:29] <lotuspsychj3> kk
[10:30] <murmel> but only happens when i reboot
[10:30] <murmel> cold boot is fine
[10:32] <Tito0096> Does Ubuntu still do USB delivery?
[10:33] <lotuspsychj3> murmel: i found bug #1918253
[10:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1918253 in linux (Ubuntu) "WWAN I XMM 7360 LTE-Advanced (Cat 9) doesn't work [8086:7360]" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918253
[10:34] <lotuspsychj3> Tito0096: you mean the ubuntu shop selling usb sticks?
[10:36] <murmel> lotuspsychj3: yeah, I already used it in the past, but I will just wait till 5.19 hits -edge. it's not that important, just a bit annoying to always use hotspot on my phone
[10:38] <pickanick> hi on 22.04 I see gcc-12-base is installed, automatic, but there is no gcc-12.  Should there be other packages installed also?
[10:39] <murmel> pickanick: no, gcc-11 is in 22.04, the gcc-12-base is installed anyway by default
[10:45] <pickanick> If I install gcc-12 gcc-12-doc cpp-12 , how to know whether I need libtsan2 or libasan8 or other packages?
[10:46] <TomyWork> I'm trying to install and use https://github.com/mikefarah/yq on ubuntu. they provide a snap, which I installed, but it isn't able to access anything in my ~/.kube directory (which is set to 750). the other installation options are wget (which doesnt autoupdate) and docker/podman (which can't access that directory either and is much harder to use). can I somehow install this with classic confinement?
[10:46] <TomyWork> pickanick, the software you are building will usually tell you what you need in its documentation
[10:47] <murmel> TomyWork: can _can_ but you would need to compile it yourself with devmode or classic confinement, as the store has a strict policy about classic confinements
[10:48] <murmel> TomyWork: you could just bindmount your .kube into the container? (if you use docker/podman)
[10:48] <TomyWork> murmel, yeah like i said much harder to use :D
[10:48] <murmel> oO
[10:48] <TomyWork> and i'd still have to docker pull to update it, i think
[10:49] <murmel> yeah, podman has an auto update service
[10:49] <TomyWork> oh that's neat
[10:50] <TomyWork> i'm not using podman though :D
[10:50] <murmel> TomyWork: then I don't recommend the snap classic compile option ;) docker breaks snapcraft (or rather networking for lxd)
[10:52] <TomyWork> I'm using kubectl from a snap with classic confinement and that never failed so far
[10:53] <TomyWork> not using docker locally a lot, though, cause it doesn't work with my ipsec/strongswan vpn unless i put it into host networking mode
[10:53] <murmel> TomyWork: docker uses a firewall rule which breaks lxd, don't know more about it :S
[10:55] <TomyWork> i dont even have lxd installed
[10:56] <TomyWork> since when does snap use lxd anyway? is that a more recent thing? I'm on 18.04
[10:56] <TomyWork> doesn't make a lot of sense to me. in 20.04, lxd came *as* a snap and now they reversed it?
[10:57] <ravage> it doesnt
[10:58] <TomyWork> anyway, since i dont need lxd, i guess i'm fine :)
[10:58] <murmel> TomyWork: snapcraft uses lxd, not snap
[10:58] <TomyWork> ok what is snapcraft?
[10:58] <murmel> snapcraft is a tool to create snaps
[10:59] <TomyWork> oh is that what you need to compile it?
[10:59] <TomyWork> ah
[11:01] <TomyWork> found an easy solution: snap install --devmode yq
[11:03] <TomyWork> I hope that sticks :)
[11:04] <geirha> I prefer the python-yq implementation; it uses jq syntax, unlike the go-yq implentation that only uses a syntax similar to jq. Avoids having to learn two similar syntaxes with different quirks
[11:05] <TomyWork> since I'm using it to write a script (to merge multiple rancher-generated kubeconfigs) and I want to share that script with my coworkers, the question is what do most people *have*?
[11:06] <geirha> probably neither
[11:06] <TomyWork> true
[11:06] <TomyWork> but what do *more* people have? :)
[11:06] <geirha> probably the go implementation since that's the one that pops up first when you search for it.
[11:07] <TomyWork> i.e. https://github.com/mikefarah/yq ?
[11:07] <geirha> but keep in mind that if someone has the python version, it'll likely break
[11:07] <geirha> yes
[11:07] <TomyWork> yeah, that's their problem then. we're not really using python as a company anyway
[11:08] <geirha> well it's not a lib, just a command either way
[11:18] <TomyWork> btw, this whole cluster switching business, you'd think people had that solved by now
[11:18] <TomyWork> instead this is the official solution: https://kubernetes.io/docs/tasks/access-application-cluster/configure-access-multiple-clusters/
[11:18] <TomyWork> set an env var, great!
[11:19] <TomyWork> i mean that's probably the way to go if you're writing a script, but as a user, I want to make sure all my shells have the same context
[11:21] <TomyWork> you can have multiple contexts in one config file and switch between them using kubectl commands, but that requires me to merge the kubeconfigs I get from rancher. gets boring real fast
[11:52] <PersonX> Hey there, new to linux, but have an ubuntu VPS 22.04. One of my applications is telling me the drive is full, and is failing on launch. How can I simply find where these large files are located? Thank you
[11:53] <murmel> PersonX: if you want something interactive, you can install ncdu (if it's still possible) otherwise du is installed by default.
[11:53] <dsc_> +1 ncdu
[11:57] <PersonX> well, sys.log and kern.log are 78GB each, what would cause this?
[11:58] <Guest4060> being probed by the chinese hackers
[11:59] <murmel> PersonX: oof, sounds like you really need to figure out why they are so huge
[12:00] <Guest4060> read the logs
[12:00] <Guest4060> see what they say
[12:02] <dsc_> just dont open those logs in a GUI text editor
[12:02] <dsc_> use `tail -n10000 /var/log/... | less` or something
[12:07] <PersonX> https://pastebin.com/9VVKthVk
[12:07] <PersonX> syslog
[12:08] <PersonX> a lot of that, repeating
[12:13] <Guest4060> I'd reformat, reinstall OS
[12:13] <Guest4060> Ive never had a logfile that big
[12:13] <Guest4060> bugs, somwhere
[12:13] <Guest4060> probably
[12:13] <Guest4060> I'd re-format and install Ubuntu LOL
[12:20] <PersonX> Thanks
[12:20] <Guest4060> I'm trying to upgrade my computers RAM, I have 4Gig DDR4, what compatability checks or similar should I preform to ensure my laptop can handle 8Gigs?
[12:22] <oerheks> check the vendor site/manual
[12:22] <oerheks> and ddr4, i am sure it can handle 16 gb at least, whatever chipset.
[12:23] <Guest4060> Im not sure if my laptop has replaceable ram
[12:23] <Guest4060> Im nervous to open it
[12:23] <Guest4060> For fear of breaking it
[12:23] <Guest4060> the laptop
[12:23] <Guest4060> How do I determine compatable RAM?
[12:23] <oerheks> guys in #hardware might know
[12:23] <oerheks> but i would start with check the vendor site/manual
[12:25] <Guest4060> yes
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:51] <zeeshan_> how to install whatsapp on ubuntu for use of call purpose. Like on android and windows 10
[13:54] <lotuspsychj3> zeeshan_: snap find whatsapp to see available apps
[13:59] <zeeshan_> lotuspsychj3: have tried but it is not providing calling facility. only I can chat not voice clall option
[14:08] <Fravialis> Hi all. I've discussed this in #gluster as well, but this appears to concern Ubuntu packaging as well: systemctl stop glusterd doesn't actually stop glusterfs-server. It stops glusterd and intentionally leaves the processes "glusterfsd" and "glusterfs" running so that a service restart "doesn't cause downtime" according to some commentary online.
[14:09] <Fravialis> Then, when doing systemctl start glusterd, warnings about these "stale processes" are issued.
[14:09] <ph88> how can i update/upgrade/release-upgrade ubuntu 21.10 ?
[14:09] <Fravialis> Do the glusterfs-server maintainers not ... know what they're doing or?
[14:09] <chromebittin> you can't 21.10 is EOL
[14:09] <Fravialis> Is this truly an upstream problem instead?
[14:09] <mgedmin> ph88: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:10] <zeeshan_> I have dual boot in my system (ubuntu and windows 10) . Now I want to increase UBUNTU partition. Plz guide how to increase ubuntu partition?
[14:12] <mgedmin> probably not the most useful answer, but: the easiest way would be to buy and install a larger SSD
[14:12]  * mgedmin stops to remember what he needed to to to get windows booting again after doing exactly that and copying the partitions over
[14:12] <mgedmin> okay, maybe not the easiest way
[14:13] <mgedmin> maybe booting a live usb and playing with Disks to shrink the Windows partition and move the Ubuntu partition would be easier
[14:13] <mgedmin> just make backups, it's really easy to destroy all the data once you start playing with partitions
[14:24] <Fravialis> So has anybody else had gluster just bail out on them after a dist-upgrade? Needrestart always fails because glusterd refuses to shut down its other processes "by design"
[14:24] <Fravialis> Then it's constant EINVAL errors binding to a TCP socket
[14:24] <Fravialis> A VM reboot fixes it
[14:25] <Fravialis> I'm quite disturbed by this, honestly
[16:14] <lenswipe> hey folks - trying to get a built in camera working with no luck
[16:14] <lenswipe> If I open cheese it says "There was an nerror playing video from the webcam"
[16:15] <lenswipe> and the console I'm running Cheese in says "Device /dev/video0 does not support 2:0:0:0 colorimetry [...] Device wants 2:0:0:0 colorimetry
[16:20] <foomanchu> I'm having some trouble doing `apt upgrade` as a result of `grub-efi-amd64-signed` and `shim-signed`, per this log: https://bpa.st/2LPQ
[16:21] <foomanchu> Before I try brute force purging and reinstalling here (which seems to be the internet wisdom), does anyone know what is happening here and the right way to fix it?
[16:26] <EriC^^> foomanchu: no
[16:26] <EriC^^> something wrong is happening in the configuration part of grub....-signed, installed grub-efi-amd64-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 32
[16:28] <EriC^^> this is my postinstall script from /var/lib/dpkg/... https://termbin.com/1y8v
[16:28] <foomanchu> yes, and searching for that gets me here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed/+bug/1931335
[16:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1931335 in grub2-signed (Ubuntu) "package grub-efi-amd64-signed 1.167.2+2.04-1ubuntu44.2 failed to install/upgrade: installed grub-efi-amd64-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 32" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[16:29] <EriC^^> this guy seemed to fix it with sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64-signed
[16:32] <foomanchu> when I try that I get `/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: grub-efi-amd64-signed is broken or not fully installed`
[16:33] <EriC^^> foomanchu: i wonder what happens if you run "sudo bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-efi-amd64-signed.postinst configure"
[16:33] <EriC^^> mine installs grub, installation finished blabla
[16:34] <foomanchu> will try that.  More info, it seems like I have standard bios anyway... I get BIOS from this: `[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS`
[16:34] <EriC^^> oh
[16:35] <EriC^^> you could just remove the grub-efi* packages then
[16:36] <foomanchu> just checking implications there, but will likely do that
[16:38] <foomanchu> hmm... can't do it without removing `shim-signed`, which seems a bit too generic for me to remove carelessly: https://bpa.st/QYRA
[16:39] <foomanchu> interesting... the `shim-signed` description is "Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader (Microsoft-signed binary)
[16:40] <jhutchins> foomanchu: What happens if you turn off secure boot?
[16:41] <foomanchu> how to do that? I am unfamiliar with it.  Been digging around and it seems like a UEFI thing as well... which it seems like this system does not have.
[16:41] <EriC^^> foomanchu: i think for bios it doesnt matter, shim-signed is just for uefi
[16:41] <foomanchu> "shim" is such a generic name... amazed it was available and that they weren't more specific: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/ShimUpdateProcess
[16:42] <foomanchu> I really need to read up more on UEFI. It's still "new" voodoo to me... need to fix that.
[16:43] <foomanchu> discomfort growing here... it's flagged as system critical. "Removing essential system-critical packages is not permitted. This might break the system."
[16:44] <foomanchu> If I was a little more confident that UEFI was not involved I'd feel better.  Unsure if the existence (or lack) of `/sys/firmware/efi` is bulletproof enough.
[16:54] <foomanchu> but the bullet and did `sudo apt remove shim-signed grub-efi* --allow-remove-essential`.  All is well after reboot. Thanks for the help, EriC^^.
[16:55] <EriC^^> foomanchu: well, the lack of /sys/firmware/efi means you've booted in legacy mode, if you want share 'sudo parted -ls' and 'cat /etc/fstab' it'll shed more light into the situation
[16:55] <EriC^^> foomanchu: good to hear, no problem
[16:57] <lenswipe> I'm having issues with an ipu6 camera on Ubuntu.
[16:57] <lenswipe> I've tried opening Cheese which just says there was an error playing video from the camera
[16:57] <lenswipe> and I've tried following these instructions https://github.com/intel/ipu6-drivers for building with dkms
[16:58] <EriC^^> what was the error lenswipe ?
[16:58] <lenswipe> in cheese?
[16:58] <EriC^^> yeah
[16:58] <lenswipe> "There was an error playing video from the webcam"
[16:59] <EriC^^> did you try hooking it up to vlc? i think there was a way to point vlc to /dev/video0 or something
[16:59] <lenswipe> if I run cheese from the CLI it says Device /dev/video0 does not support 2:0:0:0 colorimetry Device wants 2:0:0:0 coloimetry
[16:59] <lenswipe> EriC^^, yep, it just throws a generic error and says it can't play video from it
[17:08] <lenswipe> meanwhile cam and qcam just segfault
[17:09] <EriC^^> maybe there's some way to get the camera's coloimetry and pass it to the program? just thinking/guessing
[17:10] <EriC^^> error is kind of weird though re-reading it now, it contradicts itself
[17:11] <jhutchins> Cameras will usually have two USB connection settings - file transfer and another that I can't quite remember.  The second one is a dedicated camera protocol, and isn't installed by default on most Linux builds.
[17:12] <jhutchins> lenswipe: What's the make & model of the camera?
[17:12] <EriC^^> lenswipe: seems this guy had the same error https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Ubuntu/Camera-not-working/m-p/5172434
[17:12] <EriC^^> aha interesting jhutchins
[17:15]  * jhutchins seeks enlightenment in moar coffee.
[18:08] <TechGizmo> Hi
[18:09] <TechGizmo> Can anyone give guidance of when MongoDB will be available for 22.04?
[18:25] <lenswipe> hey folks
[18:26] <lenswipe> I have a Dell 5470 that I'm trying to get working with a ipu6 webcam.
[18:26] <lenswipe> Currently cheese cannot see the webcam
[18:27] <lenswipe> or to be more accurate, cheese says "There was an error playing video from the webcam"
[18:28] <lotuspsychj3> lenswipe: cheese has a bug on 22.04 currently
[18:28] <lotuspsychj3> you might wanna try other cam apps, like kamoso
[18:28] <lenswipe> lotuspsychj3, this is a camera issue for sure, I've tried with VLC
[18:29] <lotuspsychj3> kk
[18:47] <jhutchins> !info mongodb
[18:48] <jhutchins> TechGizmo: Your question implies that you might be considering using it/
[18:49] <jhutchins> TechGizmo: It was removed from Debian Stretch, so quite a while ago.
[18:50] <lenswipe> you could always install it via docker
[18:50] <ioria> i guess it's available via snaps
[18:52] <lenswipe> ...or that
[18:52] <lenswipe> personally I'm not a fan of snaps, but that's me.
[18:53] <jhutchins> I had a co-worker who was hired because he was a mongodb specialist.  He was hired to manage MySQL because he was less expensive than someone who actgually knew MySQL.
[18:53] <lenswipe> lol
[18:53] <lenswipe> we have mongodb (and postgres) at my place. I really, really do not like mongo.
[18:53] <jhutchins> (The company has since been purchased by another.)
[19:03] <jhutchins> I like MySQL, but getting ancient 5.1 databases to work in the current (8.X?) releases is insane.
[19:41] <Intelo> I want to give access to 'postgres' user of /a/path/to/a/dir .  The /a/path/  part is not readable by postgres.  How can I just give full path access to postgres without individually giving access to all paths?
[19:54] <lubuntu> hello
[19:54] <lubuntu> exit
[20:01] <evils[m]> ok, yesterday's attempt to fix the kernel on my dad's ubuntu 22.04 update ended up not booting at all, reverting to a previous zfs state saved that
[20:02] <evils[m]> so that's a 22.04 that automatically got updated from 20.04, and is still using linux 5.4, so snaps don't work
[20:06] <evils[m]> we reverted system and user data about an hour, which booted, manually ordered a zfs snapshot in the booted state, i hope that makes this working point recoverable...
[20:07] <evils[m]> i'm still entirely clueless how to get linux 5.15 installed instead of 5.4...
[20:27] <GCJohnsonChevali> Is this the official Ubuntu IRC Chat ?
[20:27] <sarnold> yes
[20:30] <GCJohnsonChevali> I have several questions, I was hoping anyone could assist me.
[20:30] <GCJohnsonChevali> When shall I start asking ?
[20:30] <toddc> just ask
[20:33] <GCJohnsonChevali> OK I'm looking to add my software project: CerberusCMS to some official Linux repositories list with a downstream. How can I do that ?
[20:34] <GCJohnsonChevali> I'm not done with this article yet. CerberusCMS will be getting a news article that will allow for a Wikipedia article
[20:34] <GCJohnsonChevali> https://github.com/GCJohnsonChev/CerberusCMS_CurrentDevelopment/blob/main/Documentation/Articles/Wikipedia/CerberusCMS.Wikipedia
[20:34] <GCJohnsonChevali> official repository meaning like apt in Ubuntu.. apt-get install CerberusCMS 'to directory' for Web Servers.
[20:35] <GCJohnsonChevali> Next release will have around 30,000 lines of code, very clean, very documented, extremely professional quality.
[20:35] <GCJohnsonChevali> I'm debugging and updating the entire thing right now. All of the user-interface and interaction is clean and modern
[20:35] <ravage> GCJohnsonChevali, if you want updates to reach your users faster than 6 months or more this is not a good idea
[20:36] <GCJohnsonChevali> Why ?
[20:37] <GCJohnsonChevali> I'm going to be making a bunch of professional quality tutorial videos, demonstration videos, programming architecture videos and more to be bundled with the next official release.
[20:37] <ravage> provide a snap or your own PPA to deliver your code
[20:37] <sarnold> GCJohnsonChevali: there's two approaches you can take; the first is to get your software into debian. then it will flow naturally into ubuntu from there. it'll take a few months before you see it show up
[20:38] <sarnold> GCJohnsonChevali: the other option is to make a snap package; you can do that in a few hours. it'll be available then to anyone who has snapd installed, regardless of distribution; you'll be able to push new versions when you want, rather than getting five year old bugs reports .. but it's not really *in* ubuntu, it's just available *for* ubuntu
[20:39] <GCJohnsonChevali> I'm getting it setup for GIT, wget, curl, FTP and other installation methods but if it is officially added to the Ubuntu software list then everyone can execute the command apt-get install CerberusCMS
[20:40] <ravage> see above
[20:40] <GCJohnsonChevali> oh ? I thought Ubuntu maintained its own repo-top
[20:41] <ravage> !repositories | GCJohnsonChevali
[20:41] <ravage> and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[20:43] <sarnold> GCJohnsonChevali: ubuntu does maintain its own repos, but there's probably only a handful of packages in ubuntu's archives that aren't in debian. it happens but it's rare, and there's got to be a good reason for it
[20:45] <sarnold> oh. you're going to have trouble getting this into debian https://github.com/GCJohnsonChev/CerberusCMS_CurrentDevelopment/blob/main/Cerberus/License.txt
[20:45] <sarnold> I suggest focusing on snap instead
[20:46] <GCJohnsonChevali> I'm not finished with the license yet. I'm going to add 3 unique licenses to this project. One will be 100% free to use with legal ability to modify their own copy as they wish.
[20:48] <GCJohnsonChevali> It's not done yet. I'm expecting this to be done by March of 2023.
[20:48] <GCJohnsonChevali> By then the entire thing will be updated, 100% functional, documented, etc.
[20:53] <GCJohnsonChevali> I'll be back in a while
[20:53] <GCJohnsonChevali> gotta take a break
[21:10] <GCJohnsonChevali> What is the official Debian IRC server ? Is it irc.Debian.org ? I tried that but it won't connect with KiwiIRC
[21:12] <sarnold> GCJohnsonChevali: irc.oftc.net -- kiwi irc isn't allowed to connect to oftc, try https://webchat.oftc.net/
[21:35] <favrep> heyo
[21:45] <sybariten> hey
[21:45] <sybariten> is proftpd part of a standard ubuntu install?
[21:45] <GCJohnsonChevali> I'll be back later.
[21:48] <sarnold> sybariten: no, that's in universe, and only 'main' packages can be seeded
[21:49] <sybariten> sarnold: i have lampp on one machine , but cant really remember installing proftpd on it explicitly. Now that i do htop, i see lots of mentions of it
[21:49] <sybariten> i partly see ptoftpd - accepting connections, and then i see mentions of a specific IP. no one else should reallly use the machine. Should i be worried?
[21:50] <sarnold> sybariten: if you're running an ftp server that you didn't configure, you might be in big trouble
[21:54] <sybariten> yeah - i think i see them testing "test", "administrator", "root" ....  which are not users i have
[22:06] <evils[m]> so, anyone know why ubuntu could be stuck on linux 5.4? (5.15 is "installed" but not in /boot)
[22:14] <enigma9o7> Evil, have you tried checking the grub menu manually?
[22:14] <enigma9o7> Perhaps you have it set to boot 5.4, or set to boot last version, etc.
[22:15] <enigma9o7> But I dunno about /boot
[22:16] <oerheks> is that 5.15 fully installed?
[22:19] <evils[m]> on the one hand, i don't know how it couldn't be fully installed
[22:19] <evils[m]> on the other hand, it's not showing up in /boot
[22:19] <evils[m]> i just reinstalled 5.15, that made no difference
[22:19] <evils[m]> enigma9o7: how do i check that?
[22:20] <evils[m]>  /boot/grub/grub.cfg does have some revert options that show 5.15, no idea how they got there, and newer ones are 5.4 again
[22:31] <evils[m]> those revert options do specifically point to /boot/initrd.img-5.15, which implies looking in /boot is the right way
[22:31] <evils[m]> right way to check if it got installed
[22:32] <evils[m]> but that points to rpool/ROOT, while /boot is in bpool/BOOT
[22:42] <eelstrebor> what would cause a desktop to lockup when it uses swap?
[22:43] <eelstrebor> zswap
[22:43] <eelstrebor> actually zram
[22:49] <blei> i have images with different graphics of characters on them and i am looking for a way to detect these contiguous objects and automatically split all of them into their own images
[22:50] <blei> the background is usually solid ie white, transparent or black
[22:50] <blei> then you have some graphics in different places on the page, the graphics are not touching
[23:06] <evils[m]> blei, saw you ask yesterday, didn't want to tempt the troll with another participant though
[23:06] <evils[m]> did you try imagemagick's crop?
[23:07] <evils[m]> https://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/crop/
[23:09] <evils[m]> if every graphic has the same position for images, it's probably easiest to manually define the areas and do that for every graphic
[23:10] <evils[m]> if you want to actually detect regions separated by a colour/alpha, you may actually have to resort to opencv...
[23:45] <evils[m]> weird, i attempted to remove the locally installed linux 5.4, because i'm booted from 5.4 i got a warning dialog, and i aborted
[23:46] <evils[m]> that caused a package called crda to be marked as no longer required, and i did an autoremove, now i have /boot/initrd.img-5.15-52-generic, but no grub entry for it yet
[23:55] <evils[m]> ok, i now also have /lib/modules/5.15.0-52-generic, and can do sudo update-initramfs -u -k 5.15.0-52-generic, ah but that just generates /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-52-generic
[23:55] <evils[m]> ran update-grub, still only getting 5.4 in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[23:55] <blei> i'm looking for a tool that automatically splits non-contiguous sections of an image into their own image files
[23:57] <evils[m]> are the sections you want at the same location for each graphic you want to split?
[23:59] <Bashing-om> evils[m]: Another thought - symlink ? what shows  ' ls -al /Boot ' - should be >> "vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-5.15.0-52-generic" in that list.
[23:59] <blei> no
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