[04:20] <mup> Bug #1984010 changed: MAAS is telling node to boot local during deploy <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1984010>
[13:40] <mup> Bug #1991784 changed: KVM Page Fails to load for nonadmin user with error “An unexpected error has occurred, please try refreshing your browser window.” <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released by petermakowski> <maas-ui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1991784>
[13:40] <mup> Bug #1992494 changed: Jammy KVM host support <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released by petermakowski> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992494>
[16:01] <mup> Bug #1993836 opened: Libvirt VM host provisioning never completes with image revision 20221018 <MAAS:New> <maas-images:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993836>


[01:20] <pef> hi
[01:21] <pef> is qt4-sqlite planned to be packaged ?
[05:47] <tvo> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RLocate


[02:04] <ev> bdmurray: they're just downloaded
[02:06] <ev> cjwatson: what are your thoughts on installing them around the point of install_extras in O?
[02:06] <ev> should be a simple apt-get upgrade call continuing on errors
[02:06] <ev> the confusion around download updates vs download and install is fairly common
[02:28] <bdmurray> ev: I didn't see any in /var/cache/apt/
[02:29] <bdmurray>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ that is
[02:29] <bdmurray> I was looking at bug 761094
[02:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 761094 in ubiquity ""Download updates while installing" checkbox does nothing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761094
[02:36] <bdmurray> I tried recreating and have a debug log if that would help
[02:57] <superm1> ev, actually you can let the updates get installed from within ubiquity without needing to do apt-get upgrade
[02:57] <superm1> it's just code like this:
[02:57] <superm1>         for key in cache.keys():
[02:57] <superm1>             if cache[key].is_upgradable:
[02:57] <superm1>                 to_install.append(key)
[02:58] <superm1> i did some experiments in a ubiquity plugin trying that out and didn't find an easy way to break it at least
[04:25] <stgraber> superm1: If I understand correctly the code you paste above, you're basically appending any package that's available for upgrade to the apt install list so ubiquity does an apt-get install on it. That should be fine in most cases, but might fail for Edubuntu.
[04:25] <stgraber> superm1: in Edubuntu we have an extra ubiquity step that lets you remove packages from the target system, basically updating the ubiquity blacklist based on what you choose
[04:26] <stgraber> superm1: I'm not sure of what happens if you just to remove a package (or meta package) from Edubuntu and that package is available for update as it'd end up in both the install list and the blacklist
[04:26] <stgraber> (I haven't looked at that part of ubiquity's code in quite a while)
[04:27] <stgraber> this might also affect regular (non-edubuntu) packages that are usually blacklisted (extra langpacks, ubiquity itself, ...)
[04:28] <stgraber> if that's indeed an issue, it should be relatively easy to make sure whatever gets the list of updates is running late enough in ubiquity that we know the blacklist is "final" and can then avoid adding anything to to_install that's currently in the blacklist
[05:11] <superm1> stgraber, that's a good point you raise, should need to be investigated
[05:12] <superm1> i just wanted to raise that it should be fairly achievable (*) with the current infrastructure in ubiquity without having to rely on apt-get
[05:13] <superm1> it might just be solvable by having code compare what's in the blacklist to what's in the upgrade list and tear it out of the upgrade list if necessary
[06:10] <dluzius> how do I get my laptop to connect to my wifi network
[09:15] <ev> superm1: err yes, of course. Apols, it was 2am.
[09:27] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4691 trunk/debian/changelog: LP bug reference
[10:26] <cjwatson> rbelem: drop scripts into /usr/lib/oem-config/post-install/, and make sure their filenames don't contain '.'
[10:26] <cjwatson> ev: I thought we'd discussed that and agreed that it would be better to reboot into the real system ASAP
[10:27] <cjwatson> ev: also a bit worried that we'd spend our entire lives investigating weird problems caused by some buggy package or another :-)
[10:29] <ev> you're right, we had. I forgot about that specific point
[10:29] <ev> and I completely agree
[10:34] <ev> I'll write it into the spec so I don't forget again
[10:41] <ev> I'm trying to organize bugs for O so we have a list of things we'd rather not lose track of before we hit freezes in that cycle
[10:42] <ev> right now this involves nominating for O, but I suspect that's going to drive skaet up the wall as it fails to differentiate between release-critical bugs (as is my understanding of what the milestone is for) and ones that would be nice to fix
[10:42] <ev> err what the series nomination is for
[10:43] <ev> it's great that we can finally set that ahead of time.  It would be even better if we could set the milestone field ahead as well
[10:45] <ev> not sure if I'm the only one who has this particular use case though
[11:20] <cjwatson> I can probably create a bunch of milestones
[11:21] <cjwatson> now that I've configured unity to stop making me feel vaguely ill
[11:22] <ev> lol
[11:24] <cjwatson> created no
[11:24] <cjwatson> w
[11:25] <cjwatson> so you should be able to set milestones happily now
[11:26] <ev> brillaint!
[11:26] <ev> brilliant even
[11:26] <ev> thanks so much
[11:27] <jussi> vaguely ill. rofl.
[11:28] <cjwatson> the wall slide animation was making me feel seasick (and I'm a very heavy user of workspaces)
[11:28] <cjwatson> turn the duration down to 0, all better
[11:31] <ev> I'm just so happy the battle was won over showing the dock from anywhere. Now if only they could turn off drag to scroll and just make that the action for moving items around, I'd be nearly happy.
[11:58] <kim0> hey folks, my machine waits idle around 2-3 minutes while booting Natty. Any ideas on how I can figure out what it's doing in that time? (console doesn't say anything)
[11:59] <kim0> sorry for being OT wrt installer .. but I figured enough foundations people would be here :)
[12:01] <ev> kim0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting
[12:01] <ev> but this is really off topic for this channel
[12:02] <ev> so please ask further questions about such things in #ubuntu
[12:42] <rbelem> thanks cjwatson :-)
[12:46] <CIA-7> console-setup: cjwatson * r406 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.57ubuntu19
[12:51] <ev> stgraber: that seems to be the same patch you posted before, which didn't work for me
[12:52] <ev> apols for the late reply
[14:19] <ev> so lets see if I still understand this. Any pofile with a base language translation in languagelist or is itself in languagelist should not be removed provided that it's not just noise.
[14:23] <stgraber> ev: hi
[14:24] <stgraber> ev: it's not the same patch, the new one has a " and grub_bootdev in (part[0] for part in misc.grub_options()):" added to it
[14:24] <ev> ahh, I missed that
[14:24] <ev> okay, having a look
[14:24] <stgraber> ev: which "should" fix what you were seeing before
[14:27] <ev> right-o
[14:42] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4692 trunk/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): Disable ubiquity panel for openbox session.
[14:52] <CIA-7> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r351 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (334 files in 7 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[15:14] <cjwatson> ev: I don't suppose the fix for bug 725408 might have fixed bug 740903 as well?
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 725408 in partman-auto "installer hangs detecting existing partitions" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725408
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740903 in ubiquity "return_to_partitioning fails when the replace option fails" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740903
[15:16] <Kurisutian> Hey there. Does anyone have experienced the same problems like I did when installing ubuntu-server on a btrfs formated partition? It seems to be quite impossible....
[15:17] <cjwatson> what kinds of problems?
[15:26] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: ^-
[15:27] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: see, I'm running in all kind of problems with that. Not just on arch.... good to see you here... ;-)
[15:28] <ev> cjwatson: not sure, but I'll test to see if it's still an issue nowish
[15:28] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: when choosing btrfs as my rootfs and not having another partition for the install (except a swap partition) I'm not able to install since the installer tells me it was unable to mount the /home partition (which I never did set up in any way)...
[15:29] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: can you give me a recipe for reproducing this?
[15:29] <cjwatson> complete details of which exact CD image you used, what options you selected, etc.; logs wouldn't hurt either
[15:32] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: I'm not at the university right now where this kind of setup is running but I'll do my best to give those information right now
[15:33] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: running on a dell poweredge 1950 with ubuntu-server 64. 2 SAS Drives running a RAID1 with all in all 450GB available. I used the beta 1 cd to install
[15:34] <cjwatson> there've been several critical btrfs fixes between beta 1 and beta 2, so stop there and try beta 2 instead ...
[15:35] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Kept the english language (although I'm running this setup in germany, but all I need to have is a german keyboard layout, which btw won't be set in the installer either, even when choosing that) and I'm manually partitioning the drive(s)
[15:35] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Thank you, I will.... I'll get back to you when I did that and it still won't work. I'll be there on monday again.... :-)
[15:36] <cjwatson> I hope that's "if" rather than "when" :-)
[15:36] <cjwatson> (although I know the German construction that comes from ...)
[15:40] <annunaki2k2> Hi everyone - hoping someone can help me here. I'm having trouble preseeding partman-auto "raid" configuration
[15:40] <bdmurray> Earlier I asked about "download updates while installing".  Should those end up in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[15:41] <annunaki2k2> I've checked & double checked, but I can't find any problem with my preseed configuration.
[15:41] <ev> bdmurray: /target/var/cache/apt/archives while the install is running, but after that, yes
[15:42] <bdmurray> ev: I did a couple of installs after the archive unfroze and didn't see anything there
[15:43] <ev> interesting
[15:43] <ev> I'll have a look
[15:43] <bdmurray> I have a debug log from one fwiw
[15:45] <annunaki2k2> anyone? I can pastebin the relevant sections of my preseed file (assuming someone can help).
[15:45] <bdmurray> When I was looking I didn't see the relationship between prepare_download_updates and download_updates
[15:46] <ev> bdmurray: could you pastebin that debug log?
[15:50] <bdmurray> ev: i've added it to bug 761094
[15:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 761094 in ubiquity ""Download updates while installing" checkbox does nothing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761094
[15:53] <bdmurray> ev: In ubi-prepare.py I don't see download_updates being set if prepare_download_updates is selected
[15:53] <bdmurray> ev: if that is what is supposed to happen
[15:54] <ev> oh bum
[15:54] <ev> I think I see the problem
[15:55] <ev> and I wonder how, if at all, this worked in maverick
[15:55] <bdmurray> I'd be curious to know what it is since I was looking at the code a bit.
[15:56] <ev> if you search your debug log for ubiquity/download_updates
[15:56] <ev> you'll see that it does get set to true
[15:56] <bdmurray> right, I saw that
[15:56] <ev> but then when the installer tries to read it back later, it's false
[15:57] <ev> my first guess would be that we use parallel debconf instances one you get past partitioning
[15:57] <ev> and the one for the file copy (which is where the updates downloading lives as well) doesn't have any knowledge of the state in the other
[15:59] <ev> mind you, I could be getting this all a bit wrong.  My brain is a bit mush today after I walked home last night ill-equipped for the cold.
[16:11] <ev> stgraber: still no luck.  Deleting an unrelated partition sets the bootloader back to /dev/sda from /dev/sda1
[16:12] <stgraber> ev: hmm, ok. So in your tests, you have two disk with existing partitions, set an existing partition for grub, remove another one and it gets back to /dev/sda ?
[16:12] <ev> stgraber: no, just one
[16:12] <ev> with /dev/sda1 (ext4) /, and /dev/sda5 (swap)
[16:12] <ev> set the bootloader to /dev/sda1
[16:12] <cjwatson> FYI folks, I'm leaving in an hour or two and will be off the grid until Tuesday night / Wednesday morning
[16:12] <ev> then delete /dev/sda5
[16:12] <ev> it will set the bootloader back to /dev/sda
[16:12] <cjwatson> so if you need anything from me then now's a good time to ask
[16:13] <stgraber> hmm, weird, I thought I tested that ... I'll have a look at it now
[16:17] <bdmurray> ev: Is there anything else I can do?
[16:17] <ev> bdmurray: nope, not at present
[16:17] <ev> thanks for bringing this to my attention though
[16:21] <stgraber> ev: ok, found the issue, fixing it now.
[16:21] <ev> cool
[16:32] <stgraber> ev: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594513/ this one should make sure that the current grub option is always in debconf. So a UI reload or even changing ubiquity page should keep the value (as long as the partition exists)
[16:43] <ev> stgraber: looks good, merging
[16:46] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4693 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[16:46] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Do not reset the bootloader choice unless it's absolutely necessary
[16:46] <CIA-7> ubiquity: (LP: #756920). Thanks Stéphane Graber!
[16:53] <CIA-7> ubiquity: jriddell * r4694 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py): Make radio buttons use label wording for screen reader (LP: #749653)
[16:59] <ev> I was going to wait for her to finish that, but I suppose this is better than nothing given how close we are to the edge
[17:05] <superm1> ev, don't forget to update PageKde for that set_grub_options change too
[17:07] <kirkland> cjwatson: today's daily server image dropped the aubergine background
[17:07] <cjwatson> huh, that's odd
[17:08] <cjwatson> oh, inverted test
[17:08] <cjwatson> kirkland: thanks, fixed
[17:09] <ev> superm1: ah, nice one.  On it now
[17:10] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay, thanks
[17:11] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4695 trunk/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py: Fix setting the bootloader in KDE.
[17:19] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4696 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py):
[17:19] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Move installation of the nvidia driver to after the removal of
[17:19] <CIA-7> ubiquity: unneeded kernels. Divert update-initramfs for the duration and
[17:19] <CIA-7> ubiquity: trigger it afterwards (LP: #759804).
[17:35] <stgraber> oops, should have thought of doing it for KDE too ...
[17:42] <ev> it's okay, I always forget :-P
[17:59] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4697 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py):
[17:59] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Make the 'name already exists on the network' warning message not
[17:59] <CIA-7> ubiquity: block the user from moving forward (LP: #760884).


[05:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[05:36] <bduk> More almal
[05:36] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:39] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[05:39] <nuvolari> hi bduk
[06:12] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy and others
[06:13] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey Kilos
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> i found some bones of yours from waaay back
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> a handful of steel pickaxes and some sticks
[06:17] <Kilos> lol where
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> sort of under my house, from an ancient mine shaft that ended in lava tragedy ;)
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> that was way before i had a good grip on how to work around lava
[06:18] <Kilos> oi lava and me have a long history
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, i'm busy cleaning up there
[06:19] <Kilos> i thinks that about 7 or 8 piles of bones now
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> the mine shaft had been shredded after some TNT experimentation I did, but i've rebuilt the ladder at least down to the original level again
[06:19] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you go to my basement and take the doorway to the pyramid the mine shaft is just to the left after a few steps down
[06:20] <Kilos> oh thats the lava i went past then ended up at the deep where you finished digging out?
[06:24] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos :D
[06:25] <Kilos> lo nuvolari hoe is die neus seun
[06:25] <Kilos> nees
[06:25] <Kilos> daai ding wat brand
[06:28] <nuvolari> neus is korrek
[06:28] <nuvolari> dit gaan beter dankie oom
[06:28] <Kilos> mooi
[06:28] <nuvolari> my ou neussproei gekry
[06:29] <nuvolari> gaan vandag die wax uit my neus snuif
[06:29] <nuvolari> :P
[06:29] <Kilos> haha maar kry see water sproei ook hoor
[06:30] <Kilos> net nie hervul op durban strand nie
[06:30] <Kilos> daar by julle is skoner
[06:46] <Squirm> morning
[06:46] <Squirm> I'm going to Cape Town in 2 days :D
[06:46] <Kilos> hi Squirm hows you?
[06:47] <Kilos> holiday?
[06:47] <Squirm> yes
[06:47] <Squirm> for 1 week
[06:47] <Kilos> cool go say hello to the fly
[06:51] <Squirm> yeah
[06:51] <Squirm> not sure what we're going to be up to
[07:00] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, those still in the rock by the lava?
[07:02] <Kilos> i left clicked once on them and they gone
[07:02] <charl> good morning Kilos, nuvolari, Squirm, ThatGraemeGuy
[07:03] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:03]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:03] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:03] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[07:03] <Maaz> Squirm: Alrighty
[07:03] <Squirm> Maaz: largest
[07:03] <Maaz> Whew do you want a bath full Squirm?
[07:03] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[07:03] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[07:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Squirm!
[07:10] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:10] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i already took the contents and the bones
[07:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> did you find bones somewhere else?
[07:45] <Kilos> nope ThatGraemeGuy i left 2 blocks where they showed
[07:45] <Kilos> like showed through the stone
[07:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> oi i don't understand you sometimes
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> no matter, i have your stuff i'll drop it off sometime
[07:46] <Kilos> no i dont need it ty
[07:46] <Kilos> i just put the stone blocks so you could see where i saw bones
[07:48] <Kilos> i changed nothing
[07:49] <Kilos> there i removed them
[08:00] <nuvolari> oh hi charl, Squirm, ThatGraemeGuy
[08:00] <Squirm> hey nuvolari
[08:06] <Vince-0> o/
[08:06] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[08:18] <nuvolari> ok, really? http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2014/07/03/cosatu-questions-victor-matfield-s-scrum-cap
[08:19] <Vince-0> surp
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> ooh
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> minetest 0.4.10 due out around 6 july
[09:25] <Kilos> wbb. wanna try another graphics card
[09:54] <charl> hahahaha http://www.google.com/killer-robots.txt
[09:55] <charl> http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/T-800_%28The_Terminator%29
[09:55] <charl> http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/T-1000_%28Terminator_2:_Judgment_Day%29
[09:57] <Kilos> can someone give me a pointer at what is wrong with this graphics card
[09:57] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/21-CcrimfDX.png
[09:57] <Kilos> all them blocks make readin kinda difficult
[10:05] <inetpro> good mornings
[10:12] <Vince-0> Kilos, eich
[10:12] <Vince-0> that thing looks cooked or not connected properly
[10:13] <Kilos> ah i was hoping it was just a cap that was giving up the ghost
[10:21] <Kilos> lemme change back to other card
[10:50] <Kilos> thats a bit easier on the eye
[10:53] <Kilos> pity, thats a gf 8600 gt
[10:57] <Vince-0> yaw only 5 years old
[15:08] <Kilos> just chatted to nvidia on their live chat goodie and find they dont manufacture graphics cards, just supply the chipset
[15:58] <bushtech> Kilos: Thanks for that snippet, didn't know that
[17:02] <Kilos> haha i got one that displays like this
[17:02] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/21-CcrimfDX.png
[17:02] <Kilos> hard to read in that block mode
[17:23] <Kilos> then the lady at nvidia gave me the link to the manufacturers and they are in the UK i think, but on the card the sticker says made in china
[17:23] <Kilos> what a mix up
[17:32] <klaasvakie> ok guys, tell me I'm not the only one
[17:33] <Kilos> you not the only one
[17:33] <klaasvakie> I set my DNS to auto and get assigned the afrihost default ip's
[17:33] <Kilos> wats foud seun
[17:33] <klaasvakie> go on youtube, get 50kbytes/s down
[17:33] <klaasvakie> set my dns to the googly one <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:34] <klaasvakie> get my full linespeed (4Mbit) down
[17:34] <klaasvakie> I thought our local mirrors were supposed to speed things up ?
[17:34] <Kilos> lotsa local stuff is sick
[17:35] <klaasvakie> now for the more interesting part:
[17:35] <klaasvakie> I have a wdtv live which I can pair with my laptop (youtube.com/pair)
[17:36] <klaasvakie> the moment I pair y tv with my laptop, my speed drops to 50kbytes/s again as google then decides i'm a saffer and redirects me to the local slowness
[17:37] <klaasvakie> eish, so looks like i'll be catching up the wimbledon goodness on the tiny laptop screen
[17:39] <klaasvakie> man, sometimes I wish we could have real internet
[17:43] <klaasvakie> I've noticed the local ubuntu also slow the last few weeks. Is it just a question of too mayne people, too few pipes?
[17:43] <Kilos> the local repo is a bit sick at times
[17:43] <Kilos> use main
[17:44] <klaasvakie> i've been using the main
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:51] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey, how goes?
[18:56] <Kilos> just cold man, i went into my mine here for obsidian and got lost and came out behind your house sigh
[18:56] <Kilos> and there by you how goes
[18:56] <smile> bye :p
[18:56] <Kilos> toods smile
[18:56] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:57] <smile> good night! :)
[19:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[21:25] <KingJ> What's the replacement for juju set? The ceph-osd charm documentation mentions that I can use juju set to add additional OSD devices to a unit but juju set is no longer a recognised command in 2.x
[21:31] <evilnick> KingJ, `juju config`, see the docs! https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.3/en/charms-config
[21:31] <KingJ> evilnick: From what I saw of that though, I can only use that to edit the application's config, not an individual unit's config?
[21:33] <KingJ> Ah hold on. I've just found the juju add-storage command. This might be what I need - as I need to attach different disks to each ceph-osd unit.
[21:37] <evilnick> Kingj, yeah, you can attach storage to a unit with `add-storage`. Sorry, I didn't see what it was you were trying to do
[21:37] <KingJ> Yeah, my bad - I didn't explain what I was trying to do too well
[22:06] <KingJ> Aha, i've now run in to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1691694 . Going to have to think about the best way to work around this.
[22:06] <mup> Bug #1691694: Support for MAAS storage binding in bundles <bundles> <cpe-onsite> <new-york> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1691694>
[22:07] <KingJ> Likely avoid defining the machines in the bundle, ensure that ceph-osd is the first definied entity in the bundle and deploy to all machines.


[04:20] <AndChat|99281> good morning everyone
[04:25] <bduk1> morning bushtech
[05:15] <tumbleweed> superfly: ubuntu-za.org moved to https
[05:19] <64MABMGCQ> More almal
[06:05] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:06] <nuvolari> Maaz: seen kilos
[06:06] <Maaz> nuvolari: kilos was last seen 8 hours, 50 minutes and 46 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-05 13:15:18 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-05 13:15:44 PST
[06:29] <bduk1> Looks like poor kilos is still strugling with that ssd
[06:31] <bushtech> might still be sleeping
[06:32] <bushtech> lets hope he's still sleeping
[07:30] <Squirm> morning all
[07:45] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[07:45]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:50] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[07:50] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:50] <Kilos> evening everyone
[07:54] <Vince-0> Haai
[07:55] <Kilos> hows things Vince-0
[07:55]  * Kilos weak today
[07:55] <Vince-0> yar nee, larka
[07:56] <Kilos> hehe
[07:56] <Kilos> i wonder how many peeps will understand you
[07:56] <Vince-0> most of the country I guess
[07:57] <Kilos> oh ya
[07:58] <bushtech> more Kilos sitrep ssd please
[07:59] <Kilos> at the moment its been formatted to ext2 and gparted is doing a check to see whats no lekker bushtech
[08:00] <Kilos> its a used one the guy says so dunno how much life is left in it
[08:01] <Kilos> but im getting my 1TB drive sorted that i wipe everything out of /home/
[08:01] <bushtech> hope its good
[08:01] <Kilos> well the end should be, or at least the second half
[08:02] <Kilos> its again a learning curve. i dont know how they work so will need gparted to tell me whats not good
[08:03] <Squirm> hello
[08:03] <bushtech> well, you're the drive expert
[08:03] <Kilos> hdd only  so far
[08:04] <Kilos> ssd is just a box full of chips i think, so its to find the faulty one and try work out how to not use it\
[08:04] <Kilos> hows Squirm
[08:05]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed
[08:05] <Kilos> you still here?
[08:05] <Kilos> in za that is
[08:38] <Kilos> ha bushtech  apparently all ssd manufacturers supply tool boxes for their products
[08:38] <Kilos> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/downloads.html
[08:38] <Kilos> even got a linux version at the bottom
[08:41] <bushtech> great stuff
[08:42] <bushtech> ubuntu also has something called Disk Utility under advanced there you can check out all your attached drives
[08:43] <bushtech> very handy for raid server to get advanced warning that a drive is going south
[08:48] <Kilos> the disk utility tells me its all good
[08:48] <Kilos> grrr
[08:49] <bushtech> be happy
[08:49] <bushtech> so what is the problem?
[08:50] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:50] <theblazehen> bushtech: or just use smartctl
[08:50] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[08:52] <bushtech> thanks theblazehen , will have a look at it
[08:53]  * inetpro waiting for the Telkom technician to eventually come and pay me a visit
[08:53] <Kilos> eish inetpro  wassup?
[08:53] <inetpro> holding thumbs that he will be able to improve signal a bit
[08:53] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[08:53] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[08:53] <inetpro> this visit comes from my logging the call on 29 November
[08:53] <theblazehen> ouch
[08:54] <Kilos> sjoe for bad signal inetpro  ?
[08:54] <inetpro> doing ok since the purchase of the LTE router but only have two bars reception still
[08:54] <bduk> where are you inetpro ?
[08:54] <inetpro> bduk: Pretoria North
[08:55] <Kilos> i think they mess up with too few techs to do outside work
[08:55] <Kilos> if its the guy that came here he will help you
[08:55] <Kilos> even knows ubuntu
[08:56] <inetpro> at least I get a bit of LTE but it still drops to 3G from time to time
[08:56] <Kilos> but you should have tweeted them as well then they send someone quicker
[08:56] <inetpro> Kilos: I did
[08:56] <Kilos> wow
[08:56] <Kilos> cool
[08:57] <Kilos> i never get lte but my 3g rocks
[08:57] <inetpro> looks like most of them went on holiday early
[08:57] <Kilos> ya must be
[08:58] <bduk> Cant believe you can have a bad signal there thought it is only us on the rural areas that strugle
[08:58] <Kilos> it was actually interesting watching how they decide
[08:59] <Kilos> he brings his lappy and if its also bad then he feeds back to them or he goes himself to check the tower
[08:59] <Kilos> he is rural bduk
[08:59] <Kilos> like me maplotter
[08:59]  * inetpro wbb
[08:59] <bduk> and me
[08:59] <Kilos> ya
[09:00] <Kilos> your a maplaaser
[09:00] <bduk> same difference
[09:00] <Kilos> they got a big farm there i think
[09:00] <bduk> you know how to make a mil bucks from farming?
[09:01] <Kilos> sell the farm
[09:01] <bduk> no you start with 10 mil
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:01] <Kilos> farming is hard work
[09:01] <Kilos> you get no rest
[09:02] <bduk> true
[09:02] <bduk> and dangerous
[09:02] <Kilos> yeah
[09:02] <Kilos> but best lifestyle
[09:03] <Kilos> you can make money but you work
[09:03] <Kilos> from 5am till 8pm every day
[09:03] <bduk> you must have equipment and that is a lot of money
[09:04] <Kilos> yip in todays world its even harder
[09:05] <bduk> Kilos:  can you recap for me on last night's lesson?
[09:06] <Kilos> oh my bushtech  it was very interesting but mostly above me
[09:06] <Kilos> the fly will mail all the how tos to the list i think he said
[09:08] <Kilos> im so happy on this kde
[09:08] <bduk> I agree think there is a lot of basics that the teacher didn't share with us, mebe you and me must go for some special classes
[09:08] <Kilos> gonna get it going on the ssd or die trying
[09:09] <Kilos> bduk  ya maybe we can ask him to help us with the basics on #linux-studies
[09:13] <Kilos> well not me anyway, my learning apparatus sucks
[09:13] <Kilos> im ok at copy/pasting
[09:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:22] <inetpro> guy tested and noted weak signal, let's hope he can get something done about it
[09:33] <Kilos> ya lets hope inetpro
[09:34] <Kilos> after he was here within a weak mine rocked
[09:34] <Kilos> week
[09:37] <theblazehen> My hard drives were at 90 something celcius yesterday night..
[09:39] <bushtech> disks in my server running at 42C
[09:39] <bushtech> 90 seems helluva hot
[09:40] <bushtech> sell your kettle, boil water on drives:)
[09:46] <theblazehen> haha, yeah.. :D
[09:50] <bushtech> but seriously , 25 to 40 is ideal temp
[09:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:51] <Kilos> overwork
[09:51] <bushtech> 41 to 50 acceptable
[09:54] <bushtech> theblazehen,  are your drives next to each other, can you move 1 so you have a open bay between them?
[10:05] <Kilos> inetpro  you got 2 mins?
[10:06] <Kilos> i need to make konsole text larger please
[10:07] <Kilos> all my other text is ok now using the settings, only konsole is tiny
[10:08] <Kilos> oh i just needed to open a new konsole
[10:08] <Kilos> ai!
[10:10] <Kilos> ooo lekker
[10:40] <Kilos> Maaz  seen gremble
[10:40] <Maaz> Kilos: gremble was last seen 8 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-12-28 13:26:21 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-02 15:39:09 PST
[11:52] <theblazehen> bushtech: yep, and no...
[11:55] <bushtech> then you'll have to make another plan
[12:07] <theblazehen> yeah
[12:13] <bushtech> fans clean & all working?
[12:14] <theblazehen> cpu and psu fan is all I got..
[12:15] <bushtech> huh
[12:15] <theblazehen> lol
[12:16] <bushtech> what you using for a pc box? A staal trommel?
[12:16] <theblazehen> lol. I was doing a FS conversion last night. Lots of IO..
[12:16] <theblazehen> 53 now
[12:19] <bushtech> fair enough, but only psu and cpu fans?
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:22] <bushtech> just checked my boxes and all got at least one chassis fan
[12:23] <bushtech> newest one also has a 175mm fan on side of box
[12:28] <theblazehen> heh
[12:28] <theblazehen> All boxes still have space for floppy disk or zip drive
[12:30] <bushtech> put one hd in floppy space
[12:42] <Kilos> bushtech  gparted really taking long with that drive
[12:42] <Kilos> it did a 1TB hdd faster
[12:44] <theblazehen> bushtech: one is... only space free is CD drive space
[12:52] <bushtech> kilos, wonder if that drive is ok?
[12:52] <Kilos> i dunno
[12:53] <Kilos> maybe gparted check isnt made for ssd's
[12:56] <bushtech> Kilos,  google : speed up your SSD by correctly aligning your partitions
[13:00] <bushtech> & find the lifehacker hit
[13:01] <bushtech> interesting bit in ther about how gparted allocates space
[13:07] <inetpro> Kilos: just press Ctrl++ and Ctrl+-
[13:08] <Kilos> i have it fixed ty inetpro
[13:08] <Kilos> made them pixels things more
[13:08] <inetpro> ai!
[13:09] <Kilos> lol
[13:10] <Kilos> n boer maak n plan
[13:10] <inetpro> can't you see 'Enlarge Font' and 'Shrink Font' in the View menu?
[13:11] <Kilos> aw i havent looked for a view menu
[13:12] <Kilos> so where is this view menu
[13:12] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:12] <Kilos> goodness grascious dammit me
[13:13] <Kilos> why isnt that info all over in the google pages
[13:16] <inetpro> because it is so obvious, nobody needs to blog this kind of info
[13:16] <Kilos> ai!
[13:16] <Kilos> swines
[13:17] <inetpro> you getting spoiled by the interwebs Kilos?
[13:17] <Kilos> lol ya
[14:14] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock
[14:14] <Kilos> wbb reboot time
[14:14] <Joe_knock> Hey oom
[14:45] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[15:38] <Kilos> hmm... storm hit tower, emergencies only now
[15:56] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[15:56]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:56] <Kilos> before the power goes
[15:56] <Kilos> Maaz  hurry
[15:56] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[16:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:00] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[16:00] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[16:17] <bduk1> Maak jy kilos
[16:18] <Kilos> werk op die ssd en speel freecell
[16:19] <bduk1> Werk die ssd nou
[16:19] <Kilos> ek is nog besig om dit te re align
[16:20] <bduk1> Klink maar fishy
[16:20] <Kilos> http://lifehacker.com/5837769/make-sure-your-partitions-are-correctly-aligned-for-optimal-solid-state-drive-performance
[16:22] <bduk1> Ok sal later lees
[16:29] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[16:31] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed
[16:31] <Kilos> are you back in the states yet?
[16:34] <Kilos> wbb gonna try ssd again
[17:24] <captine> evening all
[17:27] <theblazehen> hi captine
[17:29] <inetpro> good evening captine and theblazehen
[17:29] <inetpro> oh and hi yo everyone else
[17:30] <inetpro> to*
[17:31] <captine> quick question to those who may be in IT or in the know.  I have a mac mini server (2012 i7 2x1TB 5400rpm drives in raid 0 )..  am thinking of loading proxmox on it and running as a hypervisor.. just not sure if I should rather use ubuntu desktop and use kvm for vms?
[17:32] <captine> what would you do.. it currently has apple os x on, with a number of virtualbox vms
[17:32] <captine> virtualbox vms
[17:32] <captine> weird.  my screen is not showing all text.  strange
[17:39] <inetpro> captine: what type of systems are you running in the VM space, server or desktops?
[17:39] <captine> server mainly
[17:39] <captine> for messing with
[17:40] <inetpro> can't say that I know the environment well enough yet but for now I prefer KVM for servers
[17:41] <inetpro> Virtualbox is nice for testing desktops
[17:41] <captine> proxmox uses kvm, but it has a web frontend.  i am not sure how to manage the vms on a straight ubuntu server
[17:41] <captine> if ubuntu is the bare metal os
[17:41]  * inetpro prefers CLI as far as possible
[17:41] <captine> :)
[17:42] <captine> i am an accountant.. i take the picture approach, although dont have a desktop on my server installs
[17:42] <theblazehen> hey inetpro
[17:42] <theblazehen> Proxmox was nice..
[17:42] <theblazehen> Feature wise, only extra thing proxmox has is OpenVZ support
[17:42] <inetpro> I find virsh to be quite powerful and flexible
[17:42] <theblazehen> I'm liking virt-manager at the moment
[17:43] <inetpro> virt-manager is nice to start with
[17:43] <inetpro> very simple and straight forward
[17:43] <theblazehen> inetpro: besides that, what do you use when you need a GUI? Straight vnc?
[17:44] <inetpro> theblazehen: I have not done enough testing with KVM based desktops, all I know is that plain VNC is not perfect
[17:44] <theblazehen> inetpro: alright. Tried SPICE?
[17:45] <inetpro> Virtualbox is much better in that space, for now
[17:45] <theblazehen> Last time I tried, my laptop wasn't fast enough...
[17:45] <theblazehen> yeah
[17:45] <theblazehen> AFAIK virt-manager uses VNC right?
[17:45] <inetpro> I've tried spice as well
[17:45] <inetpro> theblazehen: or spice IIRC
[17:45] <theblazehen> ah, yeah.. But default is vnc
[17:45] <inetpro> yes
[17:46] <captine> convirt looks nice for a web management tool.... apparently it is available for ubuntu server....
[17:46] <inetpro> the moment you want to go serious, you probably want to get RHEV
[17:47] <theblazehen> captine: wow, looks good.. I guess my brother probably doesn't need his pc anymore
[17:47] <theblazehen> inetpro: afaik oVirt is to RHEV what fedora is to RHEL
[17:47] <theblazehen> might be worth a look
[17:48] <inetpro> cool
[17:48] <theblazehen> web gui looks good, but won't install to a 4 GB usb..
[17:52] <theblazehen> wb georgl
[17:58] <inetpro> theblazehen: nice, we can even  build our own oVirt on debian/ubuntu?
[17:59] <theblazehen> I had some trouble on ubuntu, but should work well on centos
[17:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:06] <captine> i think i will install ubuntu desktop (so i can use the machine for browwsing etc) then install the server tools in the background
[18:06] <captine> and run some VM's
[18:21] <miles> hmm...
[18:23] <inetpro> hello miles
[18:23] <inetpro> wb
[18:23] <inetpro> wat is fout?
[18:24] <Kilos> ek is weer op die ssd
[18:24] <inetpro> uh
[18:24] <inetpro> met kde?
[18:25] <Kilos> eerst 40g uitgelos
[18:25] <Kilos> ya met kde
[18:25] <inetpro> mooi!
[18:26] <Kilos> maar daar was baie van my archives wat nie reg oorgebring is van die 1TB
[18:26] <inetpro> het jy neergeskryf wat jy alles gedoen het?
[18:26] <Kilos> lol nee maar dit was als gparted
[18:26] <inetpro> ai!
[18:26] <Kilos> het ook die ding ge realign
[18:27] <Kilos> het jy daai laaste lienk gaan kyk
[18:27] <inetpro> ja maar dis grieks
[18:27] <Kilos> die een vir bduk vroer
[18:27] <Kilos> ai!
[18:27] <Kilos> die gparted storie?
[18:29] <inetpro> ja man, maar dit maak nie mooi sin nie
[18:29] <inetpro> te veel windows stories daar
[18:29] <Kilos> rofl
[18:30] <Kilos> ek het die win goed vertby
[18:30] <Kilos> verby
[18:30] <Kilos> like eating a salad, if you dont like onion you push it one side
[18:33] <Kilos> i gotta go find bloep for here
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz  hi
[18:36] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[18:36] <Kilos> woot im getting good at sorting bloep and konversation
[18:46] <Kilos> wb captine
[18:46] <captine> thnx
[18:47] <captine> weird.  when i plug my second monitor into my laptop, my HexChat cuts off the text that people are typing in the irc channels.
[18:47] <captine> like my last sentence i sent ends on my screen with "typing in" and doesnt have irc channel
[18:47] <captine> might go back to xchat if to see if this continues there
[18:56] <magespawn> good evening
[18:57] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[18:57] <magespawn> hi theblazehen whats up?
[18:58] <theblazehen> not much, and there?
[18:58] <magespawn> this and that, going to trying out elementary os
[19:00] <theblazehen> nice
[19:00] <theblazehen> UI nice, but system old
[19:00] <theblazehen> based on 12.04 IIRC
[19:02] <magespawn> not sure let me check
[19:02] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[19:02] <Kilos> ya based on 12.04 but not bad
[19:03] <Kilos> thats if you like the mac way of doing things
[19:03] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[19:04] <Kilos> theblazehen  back on ssd again
[19:04] <theblazehen> Kilos: nice
[19:04] <captine> just noticed our topic is a bit out of date.... ;)
[19:04] <captine> i think
[19:04] <magespawn> i am going to dual boot it so not a problem if i don't like it
[19:04] <Kilos> its so lekker fast ill do about anything to keep it going
[19:04] <magespawn> Kilos: and?
[19:05] <Kilos> ive realigned it and not using first 40g magespawn
[19:05] <Kilos> will see
[19:05] <magespawn> hi captine yup inetpro has been busy i think
[19:06] <captine> cool
[19:06] <Kilos> eos is nice magespawn  and fast only i couldnt open 2 home folders for drag dropping otherwise i might still be using it
[19:06] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[19:06] <Kilos> jou job is jou job
[19:06] <captine> ubuntu mate looks very slick.  booted it on a colleagues machine before installing stock ubuntu.  very pretty looking
[19:07] <Kilos> ya thats fast too
[19:07] <Kilos> close to gnome2
[19:07] <captine> yip
[19:08] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:08] <inetpro> when is the next meeting?
[19:08] <Kilos> 27th
[19:10] <Kilos> but now ive learned that speed on slow machines can be upped by using ssd
[19:10] <Kilos> oh that reminds me i gotta do munin still
[19:13] <Kilos> evening superfly
[19:14] <Kilos> inetpro  27th
[19:14] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel partykeer
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: ok
[19:14] <Kilos> rofl
[19:20] <bduk1> Lekker slaap almal
[19:20] <theblazehen> cya bduk1
[19:31] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:55] <inetpro> Kilos: happy?
[19:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:55] <Kilos> ty very much inetpro
[19:55] <Kilos> hehe
[19:55] <Kilos> rather late than never
[19:56]  * inetpro experimented a bit with the layout of Agenda again
[19:57] <inetpro> not quite happy with it but not gonna waste my time on it now
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <Kilos> \lazy
[19:57] <Kilos> what are you doing
[19:57] <Kilos> practise that thing
[19:57] <Kilos> bazaar
[19:58] <inetpro> no
[19:58] <inetpro> not tonight
[19:58] <Kilos> superfly  i forgot to ask, has bzr now being used in place of nikola
[19:58] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:59] <Kilos> as i can i not install nikola
[19:59] <Kilos> oh
[19:59] <inetpro> nikola != bzr
[19:59] <inetpro> you can never compare the two
[20:00] <Kilos> man you 2 must understand what i mean
[20:00] <Kilos> are we not going to use nikola anymore
[20:00] <Kilos> for whatever it did
[20:00] <inetpro> Nikola  is  a  tool  to  create  static websites and blogs
[20:00] <inetpro> Bazaar (or bzr) is a distributed version control system
[20:01] <Kilos> oh so we still need both ya
[20:01] <Kilos> i remember now opening a local file in browser
[20:02] <magespawn> Kilos != means does not equal, or there is no comparison
[20:02] <magespawn> the programmer coming out
[20:02] <inetpro> the reason for last night's lesson is so we can keep track of all changes made to the ubuntu-za website in a proper controlled manner
[20:02] <Kilos> ya i see now they different things ty mage
[20:03] <inetpro> and for the purpose of last night's exercise Nikola is unimportant
[20:03] <magespawn> wow elementary os only has a single desktop even lubuntu has two
[20:03] <Kilos> ya thats a pain but it has a nice minimising thing
[20:04] <Kilos> you add your apps you use all the time to the panel at the bottom
[20:04] <magespawn> yup like xubuntu at one stage
[20:04] <Kilos> then click there to minimise and maximise them
[20:05] <magespawn> and i sure you can change pretty much anything you want
[20:05] <Kilos> i forget
[20:06] <Kilos> was pretty with the lake as background
[20:06] <Kilos> lake taho or something
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: what is important is, if you understand the bzr development cycle the way superfly started to explain last night, you can effectively get involved in any other similar development process
[20:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:07] <Kilos> well are you practising
[20:07] <inetpro> not now, no
[20:08] <magespawn> and they all follow a similar process, no matter the vcs, correct?
[20:08] <Kilos> last nights session was mainly for your benefit
[20:08] <Kilos> vcs?
[20:08] <magespawn> version control system
[20:08] <Kilos> oi
[20:08] <inetpro> nee man, once that email has been sent out it can be extremely useful for many peeps out there
[20:08] <magespawn> raining nicely here now
[20:09] <Kilos> and run things in virtual something on your pc
[20:09] <Kilos> yes inetpro  for those that understand
[20:09] <magespawn> indeed especially those of us who are a little short on "official" education
[20:11] <Kilos> eish kde likes system restarts
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: don't come with stories now
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:12] <magespawn> will need to do an apt-get update and add some extra software repo to get what i want, i think
[20:12] <Kilos> it actually works lekker magespawn
[20:13] <magespawn> seems to so far
[20:13] <Kilos> and will synaptic you can install anything 12.04 had
[20:14] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:15] <magespawn> boots a little faster than the lubuntu install
[20:17] <magespawn> inetpro and that is very cool, being able to contribute to open source projects
[20:18] <inetpro> magespawn: with the availability of the Internet there are more autodidacts than ever
[20:18] <inetpro> "official" education can very often be a waste of time for those who want to learn by themselves
[20:20] <magespawn> ahh yes, but sometimes you need a piece of paper and/or the ability to prove you can do something
[20:20] <inetpro> sometimes
[20:20] <magespawn> unfortunately 'they' do not always ask you for proof
[20:22] <Kilos> night all of ya. sleep tight
[20:22] <magespawn> good night Kilos
[20:22] <Kilos> will see if ssd boots in the morning
[20:22] <magespawn> good night all
[20:25] <captine> night all


[18:14] <castlec> hey guys.  are there dev packages for mythtv?  i'd like to do some plugin work
[22:57] <Gibby_2> room is quiet today
[23:06] <rhpot1991> Gibby_2: holidays
[23:07] <Gibby_2> :) I know... I asked a question the other day, don't know if anyone saw it or answered it... lost my logs...
[23:07] <rhpot1991> Gibby_2: what was the question?
[23:08] <Gibby_2> i defined a .profile and a .bashrc... it gets ran if I ssh, but it doesn't run with my frontend boots and does an autologin and auto launches the frontend
[23:18] <rhpot1991> superm1: ^
[23:18] <rhpot1991> I think you need to define it in xfce
[23:18] <superm1> .bashrc isn't sourced by a login i dont think
[23:19] <superm1> it will be if you open a terminal window
[23:19] <superm1> but the login env itself wont have it
[23:19] <Gibby_2> i don't have a .xfce                    also in /etc/passwd it shows my profile for mythtv as bash
[23:19] <superm1> but that's only for interactive logins
[23:19] <Gibby_2> ahh ok mmm
[23:19] <superm1> or terminal logins
[23:19] <Gibby_2> so i can remove .profile and .bashrc then and create a .xfce?
[23:20] <superm1> well hwere does this env variable need to be used?
[23:20] <superm1> in mythfrontend?
[23:20] <superm1> or just in general
[23:20] <Gibby_2> just on the frontend. i need to execute my xmodmap's before my mythfrontend start
[23:20] <superm1> then put it in /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[23:20] <superm1> look at /usr/bin/mythfrontend for why that will work
[23:22] <Gibby_2> hmm ok, hope that won't mess up my mythrestart.sh
[23:24] <Gibby_2> so i can just put my xmodmap lines in /etc/mythtv/session-settings? or define a script to run in /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[23:24] <superm1> just put it in /etc/mythtv/session-settings i think
[23:26] <Gibby_2> ok.. next to figure out how to get this zotac to wake on usb
[23:29] <Gibby_2> /etc/mythtv/session-settings looks like it only accepts mythfrontend start up options
[23:29] <rhpot1991> Gibby_2: I'm interested in any results you have with that
[23:30] <rhpot1991> I've meant to do it with my ion but never got around to it
[23:31] <Gibby_2> my remote and usb ir receiver is a HID and doesn't use LIRC... hope I can get it working, going to try once football is over
[23:32] <superm1> /etc/mythtv/session-settings is sourced, so everything in it shhould be executed
[23:35] <Gibby_2> ok
[23:38] <Gibby_2> rhpot1991: which zotac do you have?
[23:41] <rhpot1991> Gibby_2: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/2
[23:41] <Zinn> [www.baablogic.net] Meerkat Ion NetTop Review | www.baablogic.net
[23:42] <rhpot1991> its one of the original ions
[23:56] <Gibby_2> onwards to waking on usb.... i take it the frontend must in the S3 state and not shutdown correct?


[23:38] <jrwren> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/101-crash-kills-well-known-burlesque-performer-4550000.php  She was a friend. :(


[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <unlaudable> morning
[08:12] <unlaudable> dholbach, ... the creator of byobu?
[08:12] <dholbach> no, I'm afraid not :)
[08:13] <dholbach> Dustin Kirkland might be the guy you want to talk to. :)
[08:29] <unlaudable> of course ... :D have my D's confused...
[11:50] <ngaio> I'm a Python application developer. I've been reading the documentation on packaging a Python application for Debian & Ubuntu, as well as writing a proper setup.py. My application is written in PyQt, hosted on launchpad, and uses gettext and the launchpad translation service. I'm overwhelmed by the complex interface between the various python installers (setuptools, distlib, etc.), and what's required by distros, such as man page installation. Is there
[11:50] <ngaio> an exemplary PyQt application that I can use to model my work on?
[12:06] <ngaio> sorry I just had connection problems
[12:37] <justin_time> Hi, I'm trying to update the tomahawk package and I'm not so familiar with the ubuntu sponsoring process. I would be really happy, if someone could help me and please check my bugreport (LP: #1487729) if this sponsoring request is correct and what I have to do next.
[12:49] <dholbach> justin_time, looks good AFAICS
[12:51] <justin_time> dholbach: ok, thanks for checking! Is there a chance that this request will be reviewed before FeatureFreeze?
[12:51] <dholbach> yeah, I guess so :)
[12:53] <justin_time> ok, thank you for your help!
[14:53] <bregma> dholbach, what's my next step for #1541417 ?
[14:55] <dholbach> I thought somebody else would take a look in the meantime....
[14:55] <dholbach> looking
[14:55] <teward> well
[14:56] <teward> it's assigned to someone so maybe they're going to look at it?
[14:56] <teward> dholbach: does the assignment there mean "that person is working on it, nobody else needs to" yet?  At least for some of the other developer process bugs i've seen, the assignee tends to indicate someone is working on it and nobody else needs to poke :)
[14:57]  * teward lurks
[14:57] <teward> s/yet//
[14:57]  * bregma has gotten awfully rusty at Ubuntu packaging
[14:57] <dholbach> teward, I don't think there's a hard and fast rule for that
[14:58] <dholbach> some use it for "who's working on all the code", some use it to show "who's reviewing it now"
[14:58] <teward> indeed.  i know for MIR it was used for 'who's reviewing', at least for nginx's MIR
[14:59] <teward> but was curious :)
[15:16] <dholbach> bregma, uploaded
[15:17] <bregma> dholbach, thanks for your time