[03:39] <rjian> somerville32 u thee?
[03:39] <rjian> u there?
[03:39] <somerville32> Yes.
[03:39] <rjian> i just received the   ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 15, Issue 13
[03:40] <rjian> in my indox.
[04:01] <nick1> sweet
[04:02] <somerville32> Thats not UWN
[04:02] <somerville32> Thats the mailing list
[04:03] <nick1> ah :/ yeah
[04:31] <nick1> lol
[10:21] <somerville32> BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100% <-- UWN 26
[10:21] <somerville32> lol
[10:44] <poningru> somerville32: ping
[10:44] <poningru> are we working on herd2?
[10:44] <somerville32> Its ok the wiki
[10:44] <somerville32> *on
[10:44] <somerville32> Needs a *lot* of work
[10:46] <BHSPitMonkey> what's on who's wiki
[10:46] <poningru> BHSPitLappy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2
[10:46] <poningru> its on THE wiki
[10:46] <poningru> somerville32: we should probably throw up a todo page
[10:46] <BHSPitMonkey> crazy talk.
[10:47] <poningru> whats there left to be done?
[10:47] <somerville32> ponigru: Umm... a lot, lol
[10:47] <somerville32> Herd 2 is crap right now
[10:47] <poningru> elkbuntu: can you help with screenshot magic?
[10:47] <poningru> somerville32: hehe no I meant for that page
[10:47] <elkbuntu> poningru, nope, busy :(
[10:47] <poningru> not for the os
[10:47] <somerville32> poningru, me too :P
[10:47] <somerville32> elkbuntu, become unbusy then :P
[10:47] <poningru> aww
[10:47] <poningru> thats meant
[10:47] <poningru> mean*
[10:48] <elkbuntu> somerville32, that will be after LCA has happened, until then, sorry
[10:48] <poningru> I will put up the screenshots... if someone can shadowify it
[10:50] <poningru> somerville32: can you put together a todo list?
[10:50] <poningru> that would greatly help out
[10:50] <somerville32> sure
[10:50] <poningru> thanks man
[10:50] <poningru> bambi???
[10:50] <somerville32> Wait...
[10:50] <somerville32> you want me to make it? :P
[10:50] <poningru> somerville32: yes sir
[10:50] <somerville32> lol
[10:50] <somerville32> I don't even run Ubuntu
[10:50] <somerville32> I'm an Xubuntu guy
[10:51] <poningru> ok frackin a
[10:51] <poningru> I'll go install it and put this together
[10:51] <somerville32> Awesome :)
[10:51] <somerville32> Thanks a bunch!
[10:51] <poningru> :(
[10:52] <poningru> xipietotec: you know being high doesnt give you the right to molest small animated animals ;P
[10:52] <xipietotec> poningru: why not? furries do it all the time
[10:52] <poningru> eew
[10:52] <xipietotec> and I have said nothing about being high! =P
[10:53] <poningru> well you know... I just assumed
[10:53] <poningru> isnt that your natural state?
[10:54] <xipietotec> =P I'm not high everyday nor all the time
[10:54] <poningru> could have fooled me
[10:54] <poningru> :p
[10:54] <xipietotec> maybe naturally goofy, but not actually "on something" all the time =P
[10:55] <poningru> rofl
[10:55] <poningru> oh did you see mako blogged about us?
[10:55] <xipietotec> mako?
[10:55] <poningru> mako hill
[10:56] <xipietotec> who is this person?
[10:56] <xipietotec> linky
[10:57] <poningru> ...
[10:57] <poningru> MAKO HILL man
[10:57] <poningru> he stays with liz
[10:58] <poningru> well same apt
[10:58] <poningru> complex
[10:58] <poningru> xipietotec: how long have you been in freeculture?
[10:58] <xipietotec> not lonk
[10:58] <xipietotec> long
[10:58] <poningru> oh hehe
[10:58] <poningru> ok
[10:59] <poningru> well mako hill is a general freecultury guy
[10:59] <poningru> ubotu: mako hill
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mako hill - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <xipietotec> and he blogged about freeculture or just us in particular?
[10:59] <poningru> yes freeculture.org
[11:01] <poningru> http://mako.cc/
[11:02] <xipietotec> ....I read it...he um....wrote a big long post that came to no conclusion, and left me confused by what me meant about differences in definition and what kind of definition he supported
[11:04] <xipietotec> jenda: I don't know alot of people! =(
[11:04] <poningru> xipietotec: hehe
[11:04] <poningru> did you see the 23c3 speech
[11:04] <xipietotec> poningru: link?
[11:04] <jenda> Who is Lessig? :)
[11:04] <poningru> did you see how lessig made couple of jabs at mako
[11:05] <poningru> http://www.lessig.org/blog/
[11:06] <poningru> hold on looking for that speech
[11:06] <xipietotec> found it
[11:06] <poningru> jenda: founder of cc
[11:06] <poningru> sits on eff board
[11:06] <jenda> poningru: Just kidding :)
[11:06] <poningru> wrote free culture the book
[11:06] <poningru> oh hehe
[11:06] <poningru> :p
[11:09] <poningru> anyone know where newz2000 is?
[11:09] <poningru> I have been looking for him forever
[11:09] <poningru> sent like a gajillion emails no response
[11:17] <somerville32> jenda: ping
[11:17] <somerville32> jenda: You're a forum admin or moderator?
[11:17] <jenda> yes
[11:57] <poningru> somerville32: whats the gobby addy?
[11:58] <somerville32> ubuntu.juliux.de
[11:58] <somerville32> port +1
[11:58] <poningru> uh...
[11:58] <poningru> port 1?
[11:59] <juliux> 5623
[11:59] <poningru> cool thanks
[12:08] <poningru> uh... it says host not found
[12:08] <somerville32> I most likely mistyped
[12:08] <poningru> juliux?
[12:09] <juliux> hm no ubuntu.juliux.de is right
[12:09] <poningru> are you sure thats the port?
[12:09] <juliux> i will check it
[12:09] <juliux> can you ping ubuntu.juliux.de?
[12:09] <poningru> yes
[12:10] <poningru> rotherbaum.ju.de
[12:10] <juliux> sure
[12:10] <juliux> the port is 6523 sorry
[12:10] <poningru> ah
[12:10] <poningru> password?
[12:11] <poningru> juliux?
[12:11] <juliux> i msged you the password
[12:14] <juliux> jenda, ping
[12:14] <jenda> juliux: pong
[12:15] <juliux> jenda, i have response for the stickers;)
[12:15] <juliux> jenda, can you make me a good price for 1000 ubuntu, 1000 kubuntu and 500 edubuntu powered by stickers?
[12:16] <jenda> juliux: yep
[12:16] <jenda> lemme think...
[12:17] <jenda> jenda: I think I can fit into 250 comfortably.
[12:17] <jenda> err... juliux :)
[12:17] <jenda> is that sufficient?
[12:17] <juliux> thas sound realy good
[12:17] <jenda> great.
[12:18] <jenda> Do I get another shirt for that?
[12:18] <jenda> :)
[12:18] <jenda> just kidding.
[12:18] <juliux> we will see
[12:18] <juliux> so we will say 270 incl ship it to germany right?
[12:20] <jenda> plenty good enough.
[12:21] <jenda> juliux: I'll check with the printer.
[12:21] <jenda> Don't consider it final till then :)
[12:21] <juliux> jenda, pls check it
[12:21] <jenda> writing the email right now.
[12:21] <juliux> jenda, if i have the real price i will give it to the rest
[12:22] <jenda> ok
[12:26] <jenda> juliux: I think I'll have the quote later today, or tomorrow.
[12:26] <juliux> thats fine
[12:29] <jenda> I'm ordering a total of about 4000 stickers.
[12:30] <jenda> 1000 cost me 78 previously - so this should cost about 314, or less.
[12:30] <juliux> perhaps we will order more then the 2500, it depends on the price;)
[12:31] <jenda> ok :)
[12:31] <jenda> that'll further change the price ;)
[12:31] <juliux> lol
[12:31] <juliux> or less;)
[12:31] <jenda> don't worry - it'll make it better, not worse.
[12:32] <jenda> It won't be more than 250, I think I can guarantee that.
[12:32] <juliux> cool
[12:32] <jenda> and - anything that remains extra will join the other money I have, and will slowly get lost on quiz prizes, or until I find a good use for it :)
[12:33] <jenda> (flyers were one cash-losing thing I was considering)
[12:33] <juliux> jenda, do you know that with conrad linde is? i wrote him two e-mails but i get no response
[12:33] <jenda> nope, sorry no idea.
[12:33] <juliux> jenda, we can sponsore some dvds
[12:34] <jenda> But of course, it's welcome ;)
[12:34] <jenda> for the quiz, for example, definitely.
[12:34] <jenda> I'm sure posters will get boring after a while :)
[12:34] <jenda> BTW - how did you like them?
[12:34] <juliux> there are great
[12:34] <juliux> but a little bit so small
[12:38] <jenda> hmm :)
[12:38] <jenda> I'm planning the big ones, you know that :)
[12:38] <juliux> yes i know
[12:39] <jenda> It's tough, though - I'm not sure if there'll be enough demand.
[12:39] <jenda> I'll wait till I make a bit more money as a reserve, then I'll do it.
[12:39] <juliux> great
[12:45] <juliux> jenda, are you on the next uds?
[12:45] <jenda> juliux: I intend to.
[12:46] <jenda> as long as it's afte March 5 :)
[12:47] <juliux> jenda, cool perhaps we will meet there, i will try to get a sponsorship;)
[12:47] <somerville32> I'm going to try and get sponsorship too
[12:47] <jenda> But if I can't I think I'll do my best to pay for it myself.
[12:48] <somerville32> jenda: You must be able to pay for it with all the revenue from the posters? ;]
[12:48] <jenda> haha :)
[12:48] <jenda> I wouldn't use that money for it.
[12:48] <jenda> And - it would be at most 1/4 :)
[12:48] <somerville32> hehe
[12:49] <juliux> jenda, the flight to spain is not the problem for me, but the rest
[12:49] <jenda> indeed.
[12:53] <jenda> hehe
[12:53] <juliux> wb poningru
[12:53] <jenda> juliux: 1.5  the average pay in CZ ;)
[12:53] <poningru> hey
[12:53] <poningru> the install crapped out on me
[12:53] <poningru> so no screenshots from me :(
[12:53] <juliux> jenda, but not in  or?
[12:54] <jenda> wait, I'm wrong, kill me - it's about 0.8  the average pay.
[12:54] <juliux> in  ?
[12:54] <jenda> well, converted.
[12:54] <juliux> jenda, ah
[12:54] <jenda> It's 14000 CZK, and the average pay is some 20000.
[12:55] <juliux> jenda, but you have to pay less for living in CZ
[12:55] <jenda> so, 0.7 times, even.
[12:55] <jenda> that's very true.
[12:55] <jenda> In fact, we are allowed to live for free ;)
[12:55] <jenda> (just kidding you)
[12:55] <juliux> i know
[12:55] <juliux> poningru, do you have a link to the herd2 iso?
[12:56] <juliux> i found only herd1 images
[12:56] <poningru> cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live
[12:56] <poningru> well herd2 hasnt been released yet so...
[12:56] <juliux> ah
[12:56] <juliux> i will wait for the herd2 iso;)
[12:57] <poningru> meh wont be much different from whats on daily-live
[12:58] <poningru> shower
[01:00] <jenda> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1997631&postcount=3
[01:00] <jenda> juliux: ^
[01:01] <juliux> jenda, ?
[01:01] <jenda> herd 2
[01:02] <juliux> ah i only see one post and not the thread
[01:02] <poningru> jenda: need help writing the release candidate
[01:03] <jenda> poningru: I'm sorry, can't.
[01:03] <jenda> juliux: aha, sorry, click in the top rigth corner.
[01:03] <jenda> where it says thread: blabla
[01:03] <jenda> :)
[01:03] <juliux> i found it;)
[01:04] <jenda> juliux: pasted the wrong link.
[01:04] <jenda> :)
[01:04] <poningru> link me
[01:04] <jenda> poningru: I've only got some 4 days to learn a semester's worth of roman law.
[01:04] <jenda> :/
[01:04] <jenda> I'll bbl
[01:04] <juliux> jenda, good luck
[01:05] <poningru> gl
[01:05] <poningru> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=507159 <-- gavin that one
[01:05] <poningru> err wrong channel
[02:28] <somerville32> poningru, How Herd 2 going?
[02:29] <poningru> coming along
[02:29] <poningru> watch the progress in gobby
[02:29] <poningru> doing it all there
[02:49] <jenda> somerville32: who wrote "Kubuntu Developer's Meeting" in #27?
[02:49] <somerville32> Nixternal
[02:49] <somerville32> Why?
[02:50] <jenda> mhb wanted to know.
[02:54] <somerville32> Who is mhb?
[02:54] <poningru> can someone do some spell checking?
[02:54] <poningru> I wished we could have done kubuntu herd2 as well :(
[02:54] <jenda> somerville32: a czech kubuntu guy
[02:54] <somerville32> poningru, I can
[02:55] <poningru> thanks
[02:55] <somerville32> poningru, If you copy it back to the wiki, I'll use Firefox's built in spell checker
[02:55] <poningru> I did
[02:55] <poningru> oh hehe I didnt think of that
[02:55] <poningru> but yeah thanks
[02:58] <somerville32> done
[03:00] <poningru> sweet
[03:00] <somerville32> Borrow some graphics from previous flights and flocks and packs or what ever they've been
[04:18] <lotusleaf> Admiral
[04:43] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, Hi. To produce the Feisty changes section in the UWN you've used some script? I was wondering what possibilities there are to make easier the process of translation of this section. There are some program descriptions translated so... Maybe you can put it somewhere?
[04:43] <WaterSevenUb> (the script)
[05:12] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, I'll ping you later.. I've to leave now...
[08:30] <juliux> evening
[08:32] <somerville32> evening
[08:32] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, hi....
[08:32] <somerville32> hi...
[08:32] <somerville32> lol
[08:32] <somerville32> ;]
[08:32] <WaterSevenUb> :)
[08:33] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, have you seen my question in the backlog?:)
[08:33] <somerville32> nope
[08:33] <somerville32> *crashed
[08:34] <WaterSevenUb> 04:43	WaterSevenUb	somerville32, Hi. To produce the Feisty changes section in the UWN you've used some script? I was wondering what possibilities there are to make easier the process of translation of this section. There are some program descriptions translated so... Maybe you can put it somewhere?
[08:34] <WaterSevenUb> 04:43	WaterSevenUb	(the script)
[08:35] <somerville32> I'm not sure how we would do that
[08:35] <somerville32> I pull the data from the e-mail
[08:35] <somerville32> And the e-mail is in English
[08:36] <WaterSevenUb> What e-mail?
[08:36] <WaterSevenUb> feisty-changes?
[08:38] <somerville32> Yup
[08:39] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, do you select all of them or just a few of the uploads?
[08:39] <somerville32> All of them
[08:39] <somerville32> and then we filter them out so only new releases get listed
[08:41] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, by new releases you mean completely new programs uploaded, or a new version of a program?
[08:41] <somerville32> new version of the program
[08:53] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, the only way, since the spec of translation of long program descriptions is not implemented, is to use the short description of the .desktop entries of each program... :-/ it's the only thing mostly translated. Sometimes they are enough, most of the times, they aren't.
[08:53] <somerville32> Unfortunately thats impossible
[08:54] <somerville32> I would have to download each individual package and extract the file to get the info
[08:54] <somerville32> It simply isn't worth it
[08:54] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, no no, I'm not asking you :-) I was wondering.... with a full rosetta tgz ....
[08:54] <somerville32> Ah, maybe
[08:54] <WaterSevenUb> if it would be worthwile or not :)
[08:54] <somerville32> WaterSevenUb, I don't think it would be
[08:55] <somerville32> I can't very well display all the translations for each package we do
[08:55] <somerville32> That would be insane
[08:56] <WaterSevenUb> Hum?:) I was thinking in: get the list of programs; generate their descriptions using rosetta tgz; translate the english changes only (not the program desc) mentioned in the original UWN....
[08:57] <WaterSevenUb> Much easier probably...... use the translations of a bunch of UWN and create a list of the programs and their description, translated... to be easily reused.
[08:57] <somerville32> They are written manually each time
[08:57] <WaterSevenUb> you mean, the changes?
[08:58] <WaterSevenUb> but you take the desc out of "debian/control"?
[08:58] <somerville32> Nope
[08:58] <WaterSevenUb> aah :)
[08:58] <WaterSevenUb> oops.
[09:34] <bapoumba> hello :)
[09:35] <jenda> hello bapoumba :)
[09:35] <jenda> welcome to the channel.
[09:35] <bapoumba> hello jenda
[09:35] <jenda> I've gotta run away, atm, though.
[09:35] <bapoumba> finally got some time to visit
[09:35] <bapoumba> oki
[09:35] <bapoumba> see you at some other time :)
[09:36] <jenda> I'll be back in 30
[09:36] <jenda> and briefly inbetween ):
[09:37] <jenda> *;)
[09:37] <bapoumba> oki
[09:37] <bapoumba> :-*)
[09:37] <bapoumba> this one you mean ?
[09:39] <tsmithe> jenda! you don't welcome me to the channel!
[09:48] <jenda> tsmithe: because you come every day ;)
[09:49] <tsmithe> shush!
[09:50] <jenda> Mind, no one greets me to the channel, because I never really come.
[09:50] <somerville32> jenda: Thats because you never really leave
[09:50] <jenda> mhm :)
[09:50] <tsmithe> we could have a bip party! and bring all our little bips!
[09:51] <somerville32> I hardly leave
[09:51] <somerville32> lol
[09:51] <somerville32> I just don't sleep
[09:52] <tsmithe> dont you use a bip?
[09:52] <tsmithe> arent you coming to the bip party?!
[09:57] <bapoumba> somerville32, is that you Cody ?
[09:57] <somerville32> Maybe
[09:58] <bapoumba> ^^
[09:59] <bapoumba> would Launchpad be lying ?
[10:02] <somerville32> ;]
[10:04] <bapoumba> pleased to meet you :)
[10:06] <somerville32> Please to meet you too :]
[10:06] <somerville32> *pleased
[10:06] <somerville32> Gah, can't type today ;]
[10:07] <bapoumba> no problem ;) I wont feel bad then
[10:07] <tsmithe> hi meatballhat
[10:08] <meatballhat> howdy!
[10:08] <tsmithe> how's all?
[10:08] <meatballhat> work :P .... blech
[10:08] <meatballhat> anything exciting happening in this channel today :)
[10:08] <jenda> oi, meatballhat :)
[10:08] <meatballhat> ?
[10:09] <meatballhat> jenda: oi! :D
[10:09] <jenda> umm... /me scans logs...
[10:09] <tsmithe> see! i don't even get an oi...
[10:09] <meatballhat> tsmithe: oi :D hehe
[10:09] <jenda> meatballhat: yeah, juliux ordered about 3000 stickers earlier today...
[10:09] <tsmithe> yay!
[10:09] <jenda> and bapoumba payed us a visit...
[10:09] <bapoumba> ^^
[10:09] <meatballhat> good good!  I've been following her email thread
[10:09] <meatballhat> bapoumba: hallooo!
[10:09] <bapoumba> hello meatballhat
[10:10] <bapoumba> which one ?
[10:10] <meatballhat> hm.... about the, er ... /me looks at email
[10:10] <meatballhat> sorry ... distracted :) ... I'm actually still at work
[10:11] <bapoumba> -c
[10:13] <jenda> -x ;)
[10:13] <jenda> +t
[10:13] <bapoumba> connection
[10:13] <bapoumba> huess so :/
[10:13] <jenda>
[10:14] <bapoumba> guess so
[10:14] <meatballhat> I'll be back in a few .... someone just yelled for a favor :P
[10:14] <bapoumba> ho we finished translating UWN it was 1:00 am last night, I am so tired ;)
[10:14] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:16] <bapoumba> we could not get to the sobby server a couple weeks ago
[10:16] <bapoumba> on of us set up a server at home
[10:16] <bapoumba> so we are still using gobby
[10:21] <meatballhat> bapoumba: now I remember!
[10:22] <meatballhat> about the ubuntu-women meeting ...
[10:22] <bapoumba> ok
[10:22] <meatballhat> I'm very interested in the development of this
[10:22] <bapoumba> it's being held right now
[11:41] <jenda> not _that_ interested, it seems :)
[11:42] <bapoumba> I'm going to sleep ;)
[11:42] <bapoumba> good night everyone :)
[11:43] <jenda> So am I.
[11:43] <jenda> good night.
[11:45] <tsmithe> night jenda


[01:58] <grapz> Hi. I'm giving it a shot trying to fix a juju bug, but I was wondering how I can run it from the bzr checkout I have? If i do a bin/juju in my checked out folder, it seems to be loading the juju files that comes with the official package, not the ones I've changed.
[06:08] <hspencer> hey guys
[06:08] <hspencer> quick question
[06:08] <hspencer> why was the decision made to go with txAWS instead of boto?
[06:08] <hspencer> just curioius?
[06:08] <hspencer> curious i mean
[08:23] <SpamapS> hspencer: because txaws makes it easier to take advantage of twisted for doing other things while waiting for AWS
[08:23] <SpamapS> like responding to zookeeper watches
[09:57] <fwereade_> grapz, if you're around, "export PYTHONPATH=$(pwd)" and then you can bin/juju ... to your heart's content
[12:22] <avl_> hello
[12:22] <^LoGiN^> does anybody familiar with juju/orchestra integration ?
[12:23] <^LoGiN^> i am getting following issue durung juju bootstrapping within orchestra environment
[12:24] <^LoGiN^> juju bootstrap
[12:24] <^LoGiN^> 2012-01-29 14:23:56,159 INFO Bootstrapping environment 'orchestra' (type: orchestra)...
[12:24] <^LoGiN^> Could not find any Cobbler systems marked as available and configured for network boot.
[12:24] <^LoGiN^> 2012-01-29 14:23:56,184 ERROR Could not find any Cobbler systems marked as available and configured for network boot.
[12:28] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, can you tell me a bit more about your environment?
[12:29] <^LoGiN^> i have 2 servers
[12:29] <^LoGiN^> 1 orchestra server+juju
[12:29] <^LoGiN^> second one is orchestra installed node
[12:29] <^LoGiN^> all of them are running in Virtualbox VMS
[12:30] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, ok, what systems do you have configured in cobbler on the orchestra server?
[12:30] <^LoGiN^> orchestra server works like a charm but when i try to run juju on it it doesn' bootstrap
[12:31] <fwereade_> if you go to /cobbler_web on the orchestra server and log in there, there should be a sidebar link to"Systems"
[12:31] <^LoGiN^> there is one system configured
[12:31] <^LoGiN^>     Profiles
[12:31] <^LoGiN^>     Systems
[12:31] <^LoGiN^>     Repos
[12:31] <^LoGiN^>     Images
[12:31] <^LoGiN^>     Kickstart Templates
[12:31] <^LoGiN^>     Snippets
[12:31] <^LoGiN^>     Management Classes
[12:31] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, cool: would you check the management classes on that system?
[12:32] <^LoGiN^> Resources
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Packages
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Files
[12:32] <^LoGiN^> Actions
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Import DVD
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Sync Ōś╝
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Reposync Ōś╝
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Hardlink Ōś╝
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Build ISO Ōś╝
[12:32] <^LoGiN^> Cobbler
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Settings
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Check
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Events
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Online Documentation
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Online Help Chat
[12:32] <^LoGiN^> Systems
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Create new system
[12:32] <^LoGiN^>     Items/page: ŌćÉ ŌćÆ
[12:32] <^LoGiN^> 	Name Ōåō 	Profile 	Netboot_Enabled 	Actions
[12:32] <^LoGiN^> 	oneiric01.openstack.lan 	oneiric-x86_64-juju
[12:32] <^LoGiN^> how can i do it
[12:32] <^LoGiN^> in config ?
[12:33] <fwereade_> ok, I think there's an "edit" link next tothe system in the systems view
[12:33] <^LoGiN^> orchestra-juju-available is selected for this system
[12:34] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, cool, there should also be a netboot enabled checkbox somewhere
[12:34] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, is that ticked?
[12:34] <^LoGiN^> yes
[12:35] <^LoGiN^> it is checked and i cannot change it
[12:35] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, hmm, ok
[12:35]  * fwereade_ thinks
[12:35] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, would you do a "juju -v bootstrap" and pastebin me the output?
[12:35] <^LoGiN^> holdon
[12:35] <^LoGiN^> i think i found it
[12:36] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, cool
[12:36] <^LoGiN^> when i have started the system it was enabled
[12:36] <^LoGiN^> after deployment it was disabled somehow not by me
[12:36] <^LoGiN^> works now
[12:36] <^LoGiN^> thanks a lot
[12:37] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, yeah, that's intentional -- once you've deployed a bunch of stuff to that system we expect you'd be pissed off if it reinstalled itself from scratch just because you rebooted it
[12:37] <^LoGiN^> i see
[12:37] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, if you terminate-machine that system, or if you destroy-environment, then it should be set back to the state it was in before yu started
[12:38] <^LoGiN^> how can i access to the newly installed system ?
[12:38] <^LoGiN^> i have generated key but it asks me a password which i don't know
[12:39] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, once it's gone through the whole process (which does take a while, it installs it from scratch) -- ie when juju status actually shows it as running -- you should be able to "juju ssh 0" (to machine 0, substitute other numbers as required)
[12:40] <^LoGiN^> i see
[12:40] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, btw, I'd suggest having 4 VMs to play around with really: one orchestra server, one for juju to bootstrap on, and 2 more so you can deploy 2 services and relate them
[12:40] <^LoGiN^> do i need to run coation ?mmandprompt for massive deployments or there will be some web interface integr
[12:41] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, if you want to ssh manually it should be fine: juju will have installed your public key, and you can "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:41] <^LoGiN^> do i need to run commandprompt for massive deployments or there will be some web interface integration?
[12:41] <^LoGiN^> i want to deploy openstack cluster on it
[12:41] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, we'd definitely like a web interface but for now it's just the command line really
[12:42] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, I've been focused on the framework much more than the charms but as I understand it the openstack charms are in a good state
[12:42] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, I should point out that it's readily scriptable
[12:43] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, and I'm 99% sure that you can "juju add-unit foo -n 20" for 20 new units of foo
[12:43] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, let me double-check that
[12:43] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, yep, -n or --num-units
[12:44] <^LoGiN^> yes i am trying to play with that to deploy in production
[12:44] <^LoGiN^> juju bootstrap
[12:44] <^LoGiN^> 2012-01-29 14:35:40,680 INFO Bootstrapping environment 'orchestra' (type: orchestra)...
[12:44] <^LoGiN^> 2012-01-29 14:35:40,920 INFO 'bootstrap' command finished successfully
[12:44] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, sweet :D
[12:46] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, btw, are you familiar with the local provider? I understand not using it if you're trying to do the closest-possible thing to a real orchestra deployment, but when you're casually experimenting I think it's the most convenient way to go
[12:46] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, it brings up new services in LXC containers on your local machine, so you shouldn't have to configure VMs etc
[12:46] <^LoGiN^> actually i am trying to deploy smth realistic
[12:46] <^LoGiN^> to make a copy on real systems
[12:46] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, sounds sensible :)
[12:47] <^LoGiN^> actually i have demand from customers to deploy mixed environment(openvz,kvm,lxc)
[12:48] <^LoGiN^> can you tell me something about orchestra dns ?
[12:48] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, interesting, I know cobbler can work with kvm machines, that's what I developed against
[12:49] <^LoGiN^> how does it work
[12:49] <^LoGiN^> where machine names are added
[12:49] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, ...heh, probably not, I'm afraid I'm really not a networking guy :(
[12:49] <^LoGiN^> ok
[12:50] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, sorry about that
[12:50] <^LoGiN^> np,
[12:50] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, #ubuntu-server may be your best bet there
[12:50] <^LoGiN^> anyway thanks for steering me out of the problem
[12:50] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, a pleasure, glad to help :)
[12:54] <^LoGiN^> by the way do you know what can be the issue ?
[12:54] <^LoGiN^> stic
 to make a copy on real systems
 ^LoGiN^, sounds sensible :)
 actually i have demand from customers to deploy mixed environment(openvz,kvm,lxc)
[12:54] <^LoGiN^> * rog ą▓ąĖą╣čłąŠą▓ (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
[12:55] <^LoGiN^> juju status
[12:55] <^LoGiN^> 2012-01-29 14:54:28,813 INFO Connecting to environment.
[12:55] <^LoGiN^> 2012-01-29 14:54:34,274 ERROR Invalid host for SSH forwarding: ssh: Could not resolve hostname oneiric01.openstack.lan: Name or service not known
[12:55] <^LoGiN^> Cannot connect to machine MTMyNzgzMzQwNS45Nzg3NDg1MS42MjQ1NTY (perhaps still initializing): Invalid host for SSH forwarding: ssh: Could not resolve hostname oneiric01.openstack.lan: Name or service not known
[12:55] <^LoGiN^> 2012-01-29 14:54:34,283 ERROR Cannot connect to machine MTMyNzgzMzQwNS45Nzg3NDg1MS42MjQ1NTY (perhaps still initializing): Invalid host for SSH forwarding: ssh: Could not resolve hostname oneiric01.openstack.lan: Name or service not known
[12:56] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, hm, assuming you know that machine is installed and running... sounds like network configuration :(
[12:58] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, re: mixed environment, I'm not sure how well cobbler will play with containers as opposed to VMs -- I do know that some people are using the local provider on single servers to deploy in LXC containers, but I'm not sure we really *recommend* that
[12:58] <^LoGiN^> i mean we would have 2 or 3 types of nodes
[12:59] <^LoGiN^> but management will be centralised by cobbler+juju
[13:01] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, understood -- and we've talked about similar use cases, but I'm afraid that it's not planned for anytime very soon
[13:02] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, can I ask you to enter a bug on launchpad describing your use case? it's the best way to make sure it gets proper visibility
[13:02] <^LoGiN^> anyway it would be very interesting for optimal resource distribution
[13:02] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, definitely agreed
[13:03] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, one thing that's definitely on our minds (although certainly not in time for 12.04 sadly) is machine sharing by using containers
[13:03] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, I'm not au fait with the details but I understand that the networking is the really tricky bit there
[13:04] <^LoGiN^> very useful thing for extreme fast service rollouts)
[13:04] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, we will have "subordinate charms" by 12.04, which are "helper" services (sharing machines *without* segregation), but I don't think that really addresses your use case
[13:05] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, definitely
[13:06] <^LoGiN^> first of all i need to understand how could it be used i real application world
[13:06] <^LoGiN^> for now it is still blurry
[13:15] <fwereade_> ^LoGiN^, I'm not sure how best to help there -- I rather like the "it's like apt, but for whole servers" formulation, but I'm not sure that answers your question
[13:58] <grapz> fwereade_, thanks :)
[16:00] <SpamapS> ssh -A clint-MacBookPro.local
[16:00] <SpamapS> DOHHHH
[16:31] <fwereade_> grapz, btw, just shout if you need pointers about the code
[17:08] <hspencer> SpamapS, thanks for the response
[17:08] <hspencer> appreciate it


[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:26] <lool> morning
[10:09] <ogra> lool, btw i was using -18 all the time but didt manage to get apport to work at all
[14:00] <davmor2> lool ping
[14:10] <lool> davmor2: pong
[14:10] <lool> ogra: You didn't?  it worked in my tests
[14:10] <lool> ogra: Well to generate a crash and even report it IIRC, but I didn't retrace it
[14:12] <davmor2> lool: cgregan just told me there is a newer version of MIC in place can I quickly check that it is the .44+repack-Ubuntu5
[14:12] <ogra> well, i got my atom cmpc now, and will have to focus on that first, lets see if i get traces there
[14:12] <lool> davmor2: Where do you care about?
[14:13] <lool> davmor2: You want >= 0.44+repack-0ubuntu12
[14:14] <lool> davmor2: It supports two new platforms which are the ones we will release with
[14:14] <davmor2> lool: is it on a ppa or in the general repo's
[14:15] <lool> davmor2: It's in intrepid and ppa/hardy
[14:15] <davmor2> lool: Okay cool I'll sort it from there then thanks
[14:20] <davmor2> lool: ppa only shows ubuntu5 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/amd64/moblin-image-creator/0.44+repack-0ubuntu5 or is it a different ppa?
[14:26] <lool> davmor2: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive shows mic 0.44+repack-0ubuntu12~804um1
[14:26] <lool> Dunno where you got your URL
[14:27] <lool> This is the deb http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15110719/moblin-image-creator_0.44%2Brepack-0ubuntu12%7E804um1_all.deb
[14:30] <davmor2> lool: thanks, nor do I.  I just followed the links :)
[20:01] <agoliveira> davmor2: Hi. Just saw your email. Sorry, I forgot to drop in here. Well, it was just a sugestion as we're dealing with 3 different packages I think there should be 3 bugs, not necessarely linking each other.
[20:01] <davmor2> agoliveira: okay no probs I'll separate them out.
[20:02] <agoliveira> davmor2: Thanks. I think makes more sense as I can close a bug each time I have a fix :)
[20:03] <davmor2> give me 10 minutes and it should be done
[20:04] <agoliveira> davmor2: No problem.
[20:04] <agoliveira> Thanks
[20:12] <davmor2> done
[20:23] <davmor2> agoliveira: I've renamed the initial bug and changed it's description to alarm clock and add two new bugs for update-manager and office document reader
[20:23] <agoliveira> davmor2: Cool. Thanks.
[20:24] <davmor2> np's
[23:28] <nkostop> does anybody knows about sierra wireless cards for 3G networks?
[23:28] <Stroganoff> nkostop n1
[23:28] <nkostop> yes?
[23:29] <nkostop> where can i find some support?
[23:29] <Stroganoff> everywhere
[23:29] <Stroganoff> just formulate your problem and state it.
[23:30] <Stroganoff> also use the wiki and google
[23:30] <Stroganoff> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AirCard8X0
[23:30] <nkostop> you know i have a very strange problem(i have a usb mini pc sierra card which is not listed with lsusb-i haven't find anyone with the same proble)
[23:34] <nkostop> is there any way to list such a card exept lsusb?