[10:34] <lamont> doxygen is sync'ed, but we've not built it yet
[10:34] <lamont> any issue with building it?
[10:34] <doko> no
[10:34] <lamont> ok
[10:36] <lamont> and gcc-4.0 build on ppc, or no?
[10:36] <fabbione> jbailey: can you give me an ETA to get it fixed?
[10:36] <fabbione> jbailey: take into account that more time it passes less hopes there are for sparc to make breezy
[10:36] <jbailey> fabbione: Any possibility of getting a chroot?
[10:36] <fabbione> jbailey: yes, send me a ssh pub key
[10:36] <doko> lamont: yes, ppc is ok, we don't need biarch on the first upload.
[10:37] <lamont> doxygen building on all 3
[10:39] <fabbione> we lost hoary thanks to doko fucking up gcc-4 build-dep for 2 days
[10:40] <fabbione> jbailey: ^^
[10:40] <doko> fabbione: ?
[10:40] <fabbione> doko: never mind.. steaming down
[10:40] <fabbione> :)
[10:41] <fabbione> doko: you forgot to bump a versioned build-dep in gcc-4 for hoary
[10:41] <fabbione> making basically going sparc out of sync for 2 days
[10:41] <fabbione> (2 rebuils of gcc-4)
[10:41] <fabbione> = no sparc for hoary
[10:42] <doko> fabbione: sorry, which one?
[10:42] <fabbione> it was a libcairo something
[10:42] <doko> oops, I remember ...
[10:42] <dholbach> good night
[10:43] <fabbione> doko: yes.. i told you a couple of times.. :(
[10:44] <maswan> Mithrandir: yes?
[10:47] <fabbione> lamont: are you taking notes of what needs to be done? :)
[10:47] <fabbione> lamont: sparc is going to lag :)
[10:49] <doko> elmo: breezy-chroot-ppc64, dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libc0.3-dev (>= 2.3.2.ds1-19) | libc0.1-dev | libc12-dev (>= 2.3.2.ds1-19) | libc6-dev (>= 2.3.2.ds1-19) libc6-dev-ppc64 doxygen (>= 1.4) graphviz (>= 2.2)
[10:49] <doko> dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[10:49] <doko> dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)
[10:50] <jbailey> doko: You're waiting on a fixed glibc.
[10:50] <doko> doxygen and graphviz, fine, but libc6-dev and libc6-dev-ppc64 ?
[10:50] <doko> I do?
[10:50] <jbailey> doko: I've tracked down the bug that keeps you from being able to install it, I haven't tracked down the locales.config bug yet.
[10:50] <lamont> fabbione: yes.  hppa is also very laggy right now
[10:50] <jbailey> doko: Yes.  I made a typeo and depended on linux-kernel-headers (<= <IP_ADDRESS>-0)
[10:51] <fabbione> lamont: ok thanks..
[10:51] <fabbione> lamont: jb is taking a look at l-k-h.. i guess without that one we can't do anything
[10:52] <lamont> jbailey: should I expect hppa b0rkage in lkh as well?
[10:53] <fabbione> lamont: probably..
[10:53] <fabbione> give it a shot.. it's the only way
[10:53] <fabbione>  /build/sparcbuildd/linux-kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/linux-kernel-headers/usr/include/asm-sparc/posix_types.h:38: warning: ISO C90 does not support `long long'
[10:54] <jbailey> lamont: Yes, probably.  I'll take a quick pass and guess where the culprits will be.
[10:54] <fabbione> lamont: these are the kind of error i am seeing
[10:54] <jbailey> fabbione: It's the testsuite we have.
[10:54] <fabbione> jbailey: yeps.. i could see that
[10:58] <lamont> doko: after gcc-4.0, then what? (not that I'm there yet, mind you...)
[10:58] <jbailey> Bah, found the pasto.
[10:58] <doko> gcc-defaults, have to downgrade g++ to 3.3 ...
[11:00] <lamont> doko: that source is there, just needs to be built?
[11:00] <lamont> note that we never built a gcc-defaults that uses 4.0, to date... :-)
[11:00] <lamont> gcc-defaults 1.21?
[11:01] <Mithrandir> maswan: read dmesg on ravel
[11:01] <jbailey> Need a little bit of time for ppc glibc to build to hand you, afk while it's doing that.
[11:02] <fabbione> jdub: ping?
[11:02] <lamont> jbailey: who was that last to?
[11:10] <Mitario> hello everyone
[11:12] <Goshawk> should a library name be: libNAME-VERSION-SONAME ? (for the policy)
[11:13] <lamont> Total 4360 package(s) in state Installed.
[11:13] <lamont> Total 2469 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[11:13] <fabbione> lamont: that's about right :(
[11:14] <lamont>  grep ': Needs-Build' zz.i386 | grep -v iverse/ | wc
[11:14] <lamont>     285     855   17276
[11:14] <mdz> Goshawk: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html
[11:14] <ogra> :-P
[11:14] <jordi> Goshawk: depends
[11:14] <jordi> sometimes it needs to be libnameVERSION-SONAME
[11:14] <jordi> depends on the lib
[11:15] <Goshawk> ok thanks
[11:17] <\sh> oh shared libs...yeah its my special ;)
[11:18] <zyga> \sh: really? I thought it was compatibility shell programming ;]
[11:19] <ajmitch> \sh: recovered from your ordeal then? :)
[11:19] <\sh> hehe
[11:20] <\sh> after playing 18 around with one shared lib ;)
[11:20] <\sh> i tried everything even to make an autotools package out of it ;)
[11:23] <\sh> but right now, i will go to bed...have to do some serious things tomorrow morning
[11:23] <\sh> g'night folks...have fun :)
[11:24] <ogra> night \sh
[11:24] <ajmitch> night
[11:35] <blahrus> might be posted some where, but has breazy devel been started?
[11:37] <zyga> blahrus: seems so but you might want to hear the same thing from someone more knowledgable
[11:38] <blahrus> zyga: not really, just wanted to know i I could update  my sources and start fallowing the build and watch for bugs
[11:39] <zyga> blahrus: what sources are you reffering to?
[11:40] <Kamion> blahrus: yes, it has been started, and see ubuntu-devel@; no, it's not useful yet (still bootstrapping the kernel)
[11:40] <Kamion> er, not the kernel, the toolchain
[11:40] <Kamion> blahrus: it will be VERY VERY UNSTABLE for a bit
[11:41] <blahrus> Kamion: cool, just wondering didn't want to rush the guys :)
[11:41] <Amaranth> did the toolchain stuff get figured out?
[11:42] <Kamion> Amaranth: looks like it's in progress
[11:42] <Kamion> me, I'm busy resolving the enormous installer merge :P
[11:42] <Amaranth> d-i changed that much?
[11:44] <Kamion> lots of mostly small changes on both sides
[11:44] <Kamion> plus some changes that were made identically on both sides and then intermixed with nearby different changes on both sides so that patch can't tell that it's just an already-applied diff
[11:44] <Kamion> this is only in the build system and manual, mind you
[11:46] <KaiL> ..here :)
[11:47] <KaiL> any developer around? I have 2 small ideas to make ubuntu a lot better.....
[11:47] <lamont> doko?
[11:47] <lamont>  /bin/sh ../../src/gcc/../move-if-change tmp-attrtab.c insn-attrtab.c
[11:47] <lamont> cmp: tmp-attrtab.c: No such file or directory
[11:47] <lamont> mv: cannot stat `tmp-attrtab.c': No such file or directory
[11:47] <lamont> make[6] : *** [s-attrtab]  Error 1
[11:47] <lamont> make[6] : Leaving directory `/build/buildd/gcc-4.0-4.0ds11/build/gcc'
[11:47] <lamont> make[5] : *** [extra32]  Error 2
[11:47] <lamont> (amd64)
[11:47] <fabbione> yay
[11:48] <KaiL> ..it's about packaging :)
[11:48] <KaiL> 1. add the kernel-headers as default
[11:48] <fabbione> KaiL: i think it's better you mail ubuntu-devel
[11:48] <KaiL> 2. create binary packages for ndiswrapper
[11:48] <Kamion> KaiL: 1. has been discussed a number of times and decided against
[11:48] <kent> btw, home come i saw some where today that debian released som RC of its installer, is it not the same ubuntu is using? And is then ubuntu using an installer which debian dont treat as final?
[11:48] <Kamion> it's on the CD
[11:48] <lamont> Kamion: working on modutils - just need to see what else is b0rken
[11:48] <Kamion> kent: it's rather more complicated than that
[11:49] <KaiL> Kamion: why against?
[11:49] <Kamion> KaiL: please see the archives
[11:49] <Kamion> KaiL: the headers are on the CD as a compromise
[11:49] <KaiL> compromise..?
[11:49] <Kamion> kent: yes, it's the same; the reason that it's not final is (nowadays) not to do with the installer but to do with the rest of Debian
[11:50] <KaiL> for around 99% of all wlan users not having them on the CD would make ubuntu totally useless!
[11:50] <Kamion> KaiL: we don't want to install it by default (bloat, lowest-common-factor arguments, etc., all in the archives), but we include them on the CD so that people who need them have them
[11:50] <kent> Kamion, becaus debian wants it to be known to work for all the platforms in the world before they treat it as "final", right?
[11:51] <Kamion> kent: no, you're missing the point
[11:51] <Kamion> kent: the Debian installer's perfectly fine, it's just that the rest of Debian still needs more work before going stable
[11:51] <KaiL> and there we come to the binary ndiswrapper.. that would shorten the list of people requireing headers a lot
[11:51] <kent> Kamion, ok. thanks
[11:51] <Kamion> kent: the installer has worked on all architectures for something like a year now.
[11:52] <Kamion> (to varying degrees of workingness over time)
[11:52] <doko> lamont: pong
[11:52] <Kamion> KaiL: we already have the ndiswrapper-utils binary package, which is on the CD.
[11:52] <KaiL> Kamion: that doesn't help to get it working :)
[11:53] <fabbione> KaiL: we can't ship the binary blobs
[11:53] <fabbione> the support is there
[11:53] <fabbione> that's all we can do
[11:53] <lamont> doko: you saw the gcc-4.0 amd64 issue?
[11:53] <kent> fabbione, binary blobs? whats a blob? :)
[11:53] <Kamion> KaiL: people with such cards will usually have CDs shipped by the manufacturer containing the driver they need
[11:53] <fabbione> kent: ehehe
[11:53] <doko> lamont: no, only fabio's comment ...
[11:54] <KaiL> fabbione: if you do a module-assistant on ndiswrapper, you get a .deb
[11:54] <Kamion> KaiL: dude, ndiswrapper.ko is in our default kernel package
[11:54] <fabbione> KaiL: and why do you need to do so when the default ubuntu kernel ships ndiswrapper?
[11:54] <KaiL> it is?
[11:54] <Kamion> -rw-r--r-- root/root<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-05 14:40:39 ./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko
[11:54] <KaiL> aha...
[11:54] <Kamion> (true in warty as well)
[11:55] <fabbione> and it will be true in breezy too
[11:55] <KaiL> didn't know - so forget my lines....
[11:55] <KaiL> only one point left: isn't 1.1 already released? :)
[11:55] <fabbione> KaiL: it will in a few days. it's already merged in the ubuntu kernel tree
[11:56] <KaiL> cool
[11:56] <blahrus> crimsun: you around?
[11:57] <KaiL> this really reduces the requirement for linux-headers
[11:58] <KaiL> oh, and a new line for the FAQ: "where is package XYZ?" "enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list" :)
[12:00] <mkde> elmo, thanks for that docteam thing


[03:09] <s10gopal> jsalisbury, it is also bad
[07:47] <s10gopal> jsalisbury, can you please teach me how to build kernel for test ?
[07:48] <s10gopal> apw, ^
[07:50] <apw> s10gopal, this page has the broad methods: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[07:50] <apw> s10gopal, but it is differennt if you are building a mainline one, there you might well use make kpkg
[07:51] <apw> s10gopal, but also unless you have a huge box, it takes many hours for a build
[07:51] <apw> s10gopal, the one we build test kernels on has over 200 cores
[07:51] <apw> s/cores/cpus
[07:51] <TJ-> apw: that's more cores than an apple tree!
[07:51] <s10gopal> i have core i5 6th gen and 128gb ssd , how much time it is going to take ?
[07:52] <s10gopal> 2 physical core
[07:52] <apw> i would be supprised if that is not in the range of 4-6 hours
[07:53] <apw> that would count as "tiny" on the scale of a machine to build the kernel
[07:53] <TJ-> s10gopal: I believe jsalisbury was planning on building the bisected kernel packages for you, you just need to report back in the LP bug report each time as to whether the last test was successful or not
[07:53] <apw> which is why having j-salisbury help you
[07:53] <apw> should be speeding things up
[07:53] <s10gopal> i thought , if i build kernel myself i dont have to wait for him to come online
[07:55] <TJ-> s10gopal: if you use the LP bug report to leave comments you don't need to wait for him either, he'll build a new package and comment in the bug with a link to the download location when it is ready
[07:56] <apw> s10gopal, indeed you would not though i am not convinced you could get a kernel built before he comes online anyhow
[08:08] <s10gopal> apw, everyone can access that super computer or just developers can ?
[08:09] <apw> s10gopal, that is an internal system
[09:56] <lorddoskias> compiling an upstream kernel with gcc-5 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.9) 5.4.0 20160609 results in thread_union type being erased from the resulting kernel image. When i try compiling with gcc-7 (Ubuntu 7.2.0-1ubuntu1~16.04) 7.2.0 i thread_union is there?
[10:21] <apw> lorddoskias, erased in what sense ?
[10:22] <lorddoskias> apw: in the sense that if i open the resulting vmlinux with gdb and write "ptype union thread_union" i get "no such type"
[10:22] <lorddoskias> and as a result the "crash" utility is not working correctly as well
[10:28] <apw> lorddoskias, that does sound like a bug (or limitation) in the older compiler
[10:28] <lorddoskias> well the older compiler is whatever is shipped as lts for ubuntu 16.04.04
[10:28] <lorddoskias> so in fact it is the supported compiler
[10:29] <lorddoskias> so the 5.4 has retpoline support enabled, whereas the 7.2.0 doesn't  - the 16.04 backport is from 2017
[10:30] <apw> lorddoskias, indeed, debugging with older compilers might be hard, though i assume you can dump that thing out
[10:30] <apw> as you do know the type it contains
[10:31] <lorddoskias> well given that the oldest kernel supported by the upstream kernel is 4.8 i won't call 5.4 old
[10:31] <lorddoskias> true, there is gcc 8 release approaching but still
[10:31] <apw> it builds it just fine, right
[10:32] <lorddoskias> build wise it's ok
[10:32] <apw> and you know which of those three things are in there, in your context
[10:32] <apw> so you can just dump the address as which ever it is
[10:33] <apw> i assume it is a lack of representation of unions, though i can find no direct evidence of that being improved in later compilers in a quick search
[10:34] <lorddoskias> but ptype hpet_lock works. and hpet_lock is defined as: arch/x86/kernel/hpet.c:union hpet_lock {
[10:35] <lorddoskias> ptype union ftrace_op_code_union also works
[10:35] <lorddoskias> so it's not being applied to all unions
[10:36] <apw> lorddoskias, from your 7.2 print of the type, does it contain anything other than stack, ie are the other optional fields in there
[10:37] <apw> lorddoskias, i am wondering if it is because it is a union with only one member
[10:37] <lorddoskias> let me rebuild and see
[10:37] <apw> as the others you list all definatly have more than one member
[10:38] <apw> it is possible there is only one member, so the type is optimised away
[10:39] <lorddoskias> i think this is an invalid optimisation, no ?
[10:39] <lorddoskias> and in fact here we are talking about debug info
[10:40] <apw> depends how you look at it, the type is technically redundant if it only has one member, the inner type can be promoted
[10:40] <apw> so if the optimiser did that, then there would be no references to the type in the emitted code
[10:40] <lorddoskias> so how come the newer compiler with presumably more advanced optimisation logic omits this optimisation but the older one doesn't?
[10:40] <apw> and so emitting the type would be a waste of space in the debug info
[10:41] <lorddoskias> but if i specifically configured the kernel to produce debug info then presumably i don't care much about optimisations,esp of the debug info
[10:41] <lorddoskias> that sounds ludicrous
[10:41] <lorddoskias> type = union thread_union {
[10:41] <lorddoskias>     struct task_struct task;
[10:41] <lorddoskias>     unsigned long stack[2048];
[10:41] <lorddoskias> }
[10:41] <apw> so not that then
[10:41] <lorddoskias> so you are not right, because there are 2 members
[10:41] <apw> indeed
[10:42] <apw> it was a theory, you tested it, it failed
[10:42] <apw> that is the nature of theories
[10:42] <lorddoskias> also i have : # CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_REDUCED is not set
[10:42] <lorddoskias> so the compiler should really be even more verbose
[10:43] <apw> the compiler is still only going to include what it thinks it needs, and it is clearly wrong in this case
[10:43] <apw> as many files include headers with lots of types, which you don't use
[10:43] <apw> so including them all would be dumb, it obviously thinks it can remove that one, incorrectly
[10:43] <lorddoskias> also i've been compiling kernels with older version of the LTS compiler
[10:43] <apw> but also in this case, you really have a clear way to dump this
[10:46] <lorddoskias> ah, freenode, being free node
[10:46] <apw> but also in this case, you really have a clear way to dump this
[10:46] <apw> so i don't see a huge amount of value in actually caring
[10:46] <lorddoskias> apw: what do you mean by having clear way to dupm this
[10:46] <lorddoskias> apw: the amount of value caring is the fact that crash, the utility which is used to debug kernel crashes
[10:47] <apw> by definition with a full union of this nature, you as dumper needs
[10:47] <lorddoskias> relies on thread_union being defined in order for it to adjust internal offsets and be  able to dump stacks
[10:47] <apw> to know which of the N types it contains
[10:47] <apw> so you can dump it yourself no?
[10:47] <lorddoskias> what do you mean by dump it? you keep insisting on this?
[10:47] <apw> it is either a thread_thing or it is the raw stack
[10:48] <apw> why do you care this type exists or not
[10:48] <apw> presumably to display the contents
[10:48] <lorddoskias> the structure is needed so tthat programatically the stack size can be deduced
[10:48] <lorddoskias> because crash adjusts its internal stack size and is able to dump tasks stack?
[10:48] <apw> the stack size is also defined by STACK_SIZE no ?
[10:48] <apw> s/STACK_SIZE/THREAD_SIZE
[10:49] <apw> and on all of the architectures we support stacks grown downwards
[10:49] <lorddoskias> it is defined based on THREAD_SIZE / target arch size of ulong
[10:50] <apw> well it is defined as unsigned long foo[THREAD_SIZE/sizeof(long)] so it is exactly
[10:50] <apw> THREAD_SIZE bytes long
[10:50] <apw> on the presumption that none of the other things are bigger than that of course
[10:50] <lorddoskias> huhz
[10:50] <lorddoskias> so you are going to try everything than admit that the compiler is broken and basically you (i mean ubuntu, not you personally ) are not interested in fixing this?
[10:51] <lorddoskias> is that your position?
[10:51] <apw> no i am trying to help you get past this blocker to you
[10:51] <apw> i am sure the compiler is broken, if the newer one does the right thigns on the same code
[10:51] <apw> if you file a bug someone might be able to fix it, but the reality is
[10:51] <lorddoskias> i can get past this blocker by hacking around crash but that's not the point, the point is that ubuntus LTS toolchain should be producing working debug info, no ?
[10:51] <apw> that fixing the compiler contains risk
[10:52] <apw> and doing that for something which only affects debugging information is going to
[10:52] <apw> be a non-obvious risk balance
[10:52] <lorddoskias> what if i prove an earlier version of the LTS compiler worked, and that the current one is a regression ?
[10:52] <lorddoskias> what then?
[10:52] <apw> not that that is my call as a kernel engineer
[10:53] <apw> then that is a more compelling case to fix it
[10:53] <apw> but overall it would be a decision for the compiler maintainer not myself, so i wouldn't
[10:53] <apw> read a whole heap into my oppinion.  updating compilers always makes me afraid
[10:54] <apw> my only care was to see if i could help you get past it without needing to fix it
[10:54] <apw> as that is not going to take 0 time
[10:54] <apw> even if they don't won't fix the bug
[10:55] <apw> lorddoskias, do either way file a bug against gcc-5, just don't expect it fixed in short order
[10:56] <lorddoskias> apw: i have bitter experience with reporting bugs to ubuntu in that those bugs are rarely acted upon. for example 1605843 ...
[10:56] <apw> LP: #1605843
[10:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1605843 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel crashes from time to time when using ftrace " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605843
[10:56] <lorddoskias> where i've provided asm dumps of what's wrong and even the commit that's supposed to fix it so it would have been a matter of cherry picking it up
[10:58] <apw> a fix which if i am reading history right was applied and released in 4.4.0-67.88
[10:59] <lorddoskias> dunno, i switched to the . releases of the lts so i'm currently suing: 4.13.0-37-generic
[10:59] <lorddoskias> so it works there, but at the time following multiple kernel releases the issue wasn't fixed
[11:00] <apw> it did get fixed, about a year back, though the bug does not appear to have been referenced
[11:01] <lorddoskias> it could have even been closed
[11:01] <apw> and i have done so, we have a very large volume of bugs, it is very easy to lose individual ones over time
[11:03] <lorddoskias> so what's the suggested way to downgrade a package ?
[11:05] <apw> i have tended to get them from the launchpad librarian and install them with dpkg
[11:05] <apw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-5/+publishinghistory
[11:06] <lorddoskias> well apt-cache madison seems to be helpful
[11:07] <apw> that only shows you versions in the pool i assume
[11:09] <lorddoskias> huhz, but then this barfs about unmed dependencies huhz
[11:09] <dijuremo> apw: Arggg my coworker turned off the DELL T3610 where I was testing prime95 on the patched kernel 4.13.0-38.43+lp1759920 I am going to move it elsewhere and start again. As far as I can tell, he properly powered it off at around 3PM, so that means 8-ish hours without freezing.
[11:27] <s10gopal> how to extract .config from kernel?
[11:29] <apw> s10gopal, our configs are in /boot alongside the binary kernel
[11:30] <s10gopal> thx
[11:38] <s10gopal> !ping
[11:38] <ubot5`> pong!
[12:00] <s10gopal> how to fix it ? scripts/sign-file.c:25:30: fatal error: openssl/opensslv.h: No such file or directory
[12:00] <s10gopal>  #include <openssl/opensslv.h>
[12:00] <apw> you need to build with the build-dependencies for the kernel installed
[12:00] <apw> normally you do that by building in a chroot with those installed into it
[12:01] <s10gopal> apw, can you please explain it ?
[12:01] <s10gopal> apw, i am using time make deb-pkg
[12:07] <cascardo> s10gopal: man debuild
[12:08] <bjf> s10gopal, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[12:10] <s10gopal> thx
[12:47] <s10gopal> i am at   CC [M]  drivers/media/pci/ivtv/ivtvfb.o.  how much time it will take to finish ?
[13:01] <apw> s10gopal, it builds in parallle, so hard to say, when i do a build it takes about 10m but they are scrolling past fast enough to be hard to read
[14:20] <s10gopal> how to fix ./scripts/package/builddeb: line 33: dpkg-gencontrol: command not found                     make[1]: *** [deb-pkg] Error 127   make: *** [deb-pkg] Error 2 ?
[14:22] <cascardo> s10gopal: do you have dpkg-dev installed?
[14:23] <cascardo> s10gopal: apt install build-essential ; apt-get build-dep linux
[14:23] <s10gopal> cascardo, it was not , i need to do time make deb-pkg  again ?
[14:23] <cascardo> s10gopal: if you are running make deb-pkg, you are doing it wrong to build an ubuntu kernel
[14:24] <s10gopal> cascardo, how to do it?
[14:24] <cascardo> if you want a deb package for a mainline kernel, then you might want to use make deb-pkg
[14:24] <cascardo> s10gopal: did you read the documentation pointed at you?
[14:25] <s10gopal> cascardo, yes , but not complete
[14:27] <s10gopal> in place of make -j `getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN` deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-custom i should use make -j4 `getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN` deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-custom to use all my 4 core ?
[14:28] <s10gopal> cascardo, ^
[14:31] <cascardo> s10gopal: what documentation did you get that from?
[14:31] <cascardo> certainly not from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[14:31] <s10gopal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild , it is easy i can understand them
[14:32] <s10gopal> it is wrong?
[14:32] <cascardo> it depends on what you want to achieve
[14:33] <s10gopal> i want to find bad commit
[14:33] <cascardo> s10gopal: from an ubuntu kernel or a mainline kernel?
[14:33] <s10gopal> bisect v4.12 and v4.13-rc1
[14:34] <cascardo> s10gopal: you only need to use make deb-pkg, then, if you want to install those kernels using deb packages
[14:34] <s10gopal> mainline , http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[14:34] <cascardo> but, yes, probably easier to just use make deb-pkg in that case
[14:35] <s10gopal> i need to repeat the whole process again ?
[14:35] <s10gopal> time make deb-pkg ? and again it is going to take 100 min or it will be faster this time ?
[14:39] <cascardo> s10gopal: it's possible it's gonna just do the last steps, if you haven't run any clean command
[14:39] <s10gopal> and how to find the kernel which i made ?
[14:40] <cascardo> should be in the top dir
[14:42] <s10gopal> at $HOME ?
[14:44] <TJ-> deb-pkg should put the .deb files in ../ (parent directory)
[14:45] <TJ-> or if 'make bzImage' in ./arch/x86/boot/
[14:45] <s10gopal> TJ-, a user on ##linux taught me how to build kernel from git , how i can find ##linux log ?
[14:46] <TJ-> s10gopal: I have no idea, where di you put it?
[14:47] <s10gopal> like #ubuntu logs are at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[14:48] <s10gopal> what is the difference between time make and make ?
[14:49] <TJ-> s10gopal: oh, thought you meant you'd kept a log locally of the commands. I don't know if ##linux logs, I think it's up to you to do it locally
[14:50] <s10gopal> thx
[14:51] <s10gopal> jsalisbury, i have learned how to make kernel , i should test kernel build by you or i can build and test ?
[17:53] <dijuremo> May I pick you brain kernel gurus? I am looking at some RHEL VMs, the hypervisor is patched and I manually updated the microcode to the 20180312 release, but the VM still shows as vulnerable. Does QUEMU, etc need to be patched as well for the vulnerability to be mitigated?
[17:55] <apw> yes qemu needs to be updated to pass through the spec bits
[17:55] <dijuremo> --> runs to open RH support case....
[17:55] <dijuremo> LOL
[18:09] <tyhicks> dijuremo: they may have patched everything but you might be using a model which doesn't support IBRS
[18:10] <tyhicks> dijuremo: to see if such a model is available, you can run 'virsh cpu-models x86_64 | grep IBRS'
[18:11] <tyhicks> (IBRS support comes as a separate, unique model so that live migration wasn't broken with the addition of IBRS support to the CPU model)
[18:12] <tyhicks> (you can also use <cpu mode='host-passthrough'> in your domain xml if you don't plan on migrating VMs to another machine)
[18:15] <dijuremo> # virsh -r cpu-models x86_64 | grep IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> Nehalem-IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> Westmere-IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> SandyBridge-IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> IvyBridge-IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> Haswell-noTSX-IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> Haswell-IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> Broadwell-noTSX-IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> Broadwell-IBRS
[18:15] <dijuremo> Skylake-Client-IBRS
[18:16] <dijuremo> So it seems it does support them, but I am not quite sure to force their use.
[18:16] <dijuremo> I do not manage the RHEV Manager machine and it is outdated, running 3.5 so that may be a problem. Perhaps they need to update that so that I can see Nehalem-IBRS since I only see the CPU types without -IBRS as available.
[18:24] <dijuremo> I am a proxy for this question, a friend asks related to the ibpb hangups that you guys fixed with the 4.13.0-38.43+lp1759920 patches in the Ubuntu kernel:  which debian kernels have, or will have the fix, or maybe what to look for in the upstream kernel changelog?
[18:32] <tyhicks> the problematic patch that was sent around during the spectre embargo is "x86/mm: Only set IBPB when the new thread cannot ptrace current thread"
[18:33] <tyhicks> instead of using that patch, this upstream patch should be used:
[18:33] <tyhicks> https://git.kernel.org/linus/18bf3c3ea8ece8f03b6fc58508f2dfd23c7711c7
[19:02] <dijuremo> tyhicks: Any idea how I can find out what the latest microcode version should be for a specific CPU, Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5530? I tried expanding the intel-ucode folder on one of my RHEL servers, but after reboot it is not using IBPB/IBRS. dmesg reports: microcode: CPU0 sig=0x106a5, pf=0x1, revision=0x19
[19:03] <tyhicks> dijuremo: you'll find that info here: https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/04/microcode-update-guidance.pdf
[19:08] <dijuremo> tyhicks: So I note there that they have the new microcode 0x1c but dmesg is reporting in this machine 0x19, likely old from the BIOS. Any idea where I may be able to find out how to force load the new microcode?
[19:10] <dijuremo> Oh I think I know, I need to rebuilt initrd, right/
[19:14] <dijuremo> Nope... no luck... still showing revision=0x19 after reboot.
[19:28] <s10gopal> jsalisbury: can you please build a set of kernels so  i can test them without waiting for you to come online ?
[19:29] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, The thing with a bisect is you need to know if the current test kernel is good or bad to determine which test kernel to build next.
[19:30] <s10gopal> suppose we are at 10 so build a kernel for good and another for bad
[19:30] <s10gopal> at commit 5 and at commit 15
[19:31] <s10gopal> jsalisbury: on my laptop it takes 3.5 hour to make kernel from source , how i can speed it up ?
[19:31] <s10gopal> i am already using -j5
[19:31] <s10gopal> -j4
[19:31] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, I can build you the next two kernels.  We just have to be careful when testing and reporting test results.  It's easy to make a mistake.
[19:32] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, you could get a faster computer ;-)
[19:32] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, Seriously thought, if it takes that long, tuning isn't going to speed it up much faster
[19:33] <s10gopal> i am having core i5 6200u , 12gb ram and 128gb ssd
[19:34] <s10gopal> can you please teach me how to remove modules from kernel , then it will compile fast ?
[19:35] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, You would need to edit config options.
[19:35] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, figuring all that out would probably take more time than just doing the bisect
[19:37] <s10gopal> jsalisbury: can i make kernel on remote machine ?
[19:37] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, sure, if you have a remote machine.
[19:38] <s10gopal> it is possible to rent one online ? and how much it is going to cost ?
[19:39] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, That I have no idea.  You could get an Amazon or Google cloud image, but I really don't think that would be worth it.
[19:39] <s10gopal> jsalisbury: it is good
[19:39] <s10gopal> 4.12.0-041200-generic #201804051118
[19:40] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, this bisect is going to tell us which commit introduced the regression.  We are then going to have to work with upstream to fix up that commit or revert it.
[19:41] <jsalisbury> s10gopal, I can build the next kernel now
[19:41] <s10gopal> jsalisbury: ok i will test it
[19:47] <tyhicks> dijuremo: I just took a quick look and I suspect that Intel didn't fully update their slides
[19:48] <tyhicks> dijuremo: all the 106A5 CPUIDs have been marked RED, indicating that they're not going to update the microcode, except for yours
[19:49] <tyhicks> dijuremo: also, your processor isn't listed as receiving a microcode update in their release notes: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27591/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File?product=873
[19:49] <tyhicks> dijuremo: I suspect that they forgot to change your processor's row to RED in the slides :/
[19:50] <tyhicks> the 106a5 microcode in their latest bundle matches what your kernel is reporting:
[19:50] <tyhicks> $ iucode-tool -L microcode.dat  | grep -i 106a5
[19:50] <tyhicks>   01/129: sig 0x000106a5, pf mask 0x03, 2013-06-21, rev 0x0019, size 10240
[19:52] <dijuremo> Wow, that is so screwed up... How is one going to figure that out when the slides show yellow and also a firmware 0x1c  and their download page says This download is valid for the product(s) listed below. and includes Intel® Xeon® Processor E5530 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 5.86 GT/s Intel® QPI)
[20:04] <ntd> i have a few grievances with current 4.15, should be worked out before bionic rtm :)
[20:04] <ntd> "rtm"
[21:36] <aaa_> what is rtm?
[21:37] <TJ-> Release To Manufacturing
[22:39] <aaa_> ty
[22:39] <aaa_> :)
[23:23] <ntd> There are some confirmed and reproducible issues with current 4.15 that really should be ironed out before bionic release (potential userbase won't be able to boot)
[23:23] <ntd> anyone i can talk to about it?


[17:13] <Voyage> trism,  downloading
[17:13] <Voyage> trism,  If I would not be a deep tech like you. I would never had solved it.
[17:13] <Guest34131> quit
[17:13] <Voyage> trism,  who are you? do you work for ubuntu?
[17:14] <trism> Voyage: your libedit2 package was from either a ppa or you installed it from some place else, and so you couldn't install the repository version of libedit2:i386 because they need to match, we just downgraded to the repo version
[17:14] <trism> Voyage: no I'm just an ubuntu user
[17:15] <Voyage> trism,  great. what OSs do you use?
[17:15] <dopie> hey all how do i check what processes are running memory?
[17:15] <Voyage> trism,  can I know more about you?
[17:15] <Voyage> trism,  private chat?
[17:16] <trism> Voyage: no, I have to go
[17:16] <Voyage> trism,  skype installed
[17:16] <Voyage> trism,  email?
[17:16] <trism> Voyage: excellent
[17:16] <Voyage> skype id
[17:19] <ioria> dopie ps -A
[17:20] <ioria> dopie top
[17:22] <Rory> Voyage: The people in this channel are volunteers, and if they want to give you personal info they will do so so don't ask
[17:22] <Voyage> sure
[17:22] <Voyage> Rory,  without asking they wont.
[17:23] <Rory> Voyage: Exactly.
[17:23] <Voyage> Rory,  so its good to as. ONCE
[17:23] <Voyage> Rory,  exactly ?
[17:23] <Rory> Read between the lines and stop being creepy
[17:36] <fxmulder_> so I have ubuntu 14.04.2 server running and I've installed freeradius 2.2.6 and it won't start stating  Refusing to start with libssl version OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014 (in range 1.0.1 - 1.0.1f).  Security advisory CVE-2014-0160 (Heartbleed)
[17:36] <adac> Guys I'm having huge problems with the native graphical driver in ubuntu (notebook lenovo T430s)and my monitor (DEll U2414H) connected trough a docking station
[17:37] <adac> It does not really reconginze the monitor. And it hangs sometimes forever on detection
[17:37] <adac> waht can I do?
[17:37] <vineetmenon> does it work with windows?
[17:37] <vineetmenon> have you tried?
[17:38] <adac> vineetmenon, sometimes it even works with ubuntu. But only sometims. MOs of the time it just hangs. when I unplug the HDMI and re plig it it then sometimes I got it working
[17:39] <vineetmenon> adac: oh.
[17:39] <vineetmenon> does lenovo support any drivers for ubuntu? that *may* help
[17:41] <adac> vineetmenon, I tried nvidia driver, but with that one my lenovo just hangs up from time to time
[17:41] <adac> so it seems that using the nvidia driver is currently not an option
[17:42] <vineetmenon> adac: ..and what about default driver?
[17:42] <vineetmenon> nvidia drivers sometimes cause problem
[17:42] <vineetmenon> try removing that.. i mean disabling it.
[17:43] <adac> vineetmenon, the default driver is nouveau right?
[17:43] <adac> with nouveau my external monitor does not work most of the time
[17:43] <vineetmenon> adac: yes
[17:44] <vineetmenon> adac: might help http://askubuntu.com/questions/360761/cannot-get-rid-of-nvidia-drivers-restore-nouveau-driver-and-get-desktop-working
[17:44] <OerHeks> adac did you try to reset the monitor with its own menu?
[17:44] <OerHeks> sometimes helps
[17:46] <adac> OerHeks, not yet no
[17:51] <adaccada> Its me adac. Sorry my notebook crashed once I tried putting it back on the dockingstation vineetmenon OerHeks
[17:51] <PCatinean> Can anyone point to a quick and easy way of permanently mounting my hdd caddy as a permanent hard-drive?
[17:52] <vineetmenon> PCatiean: entry in fstab/mtab
[17:52] <OerHeks> !fstab
[17:52] <vineetmenon> adaccada: ack
[17:53] <archheretic> Hi is there a way that I can ping a router throught their SIDD?
[17:53] <darkseid_hack3r> adding a tarball to backbox, dont laugh I know its easy but am not having any success with adding it
[17:53] <adaccada> got it working again now. After several unplugging of the mini HDMI and pressing the detection of the monitor vineetmenon andd OerHeks
[17:53] <julian-delphiki> archheretic: whats an SIDD
[17:53] <DJones> !backbox | darkseid_hack3r
[17:53] <vineetmenon> adaccada: anything special you did?
[17:53] <gunndawg> julian-delphiki: I thin he means SSID, come on...
[17:53] <archheretic> Im not connected to that wireless network, but i wlan0 finds it, so its a neightbour wifi
[17:54] <archheretic> yes sorry
[17:54] <julian-delphiki> gunndawg: calm, i'm just making sure.
[17:54] <julian-delphiki> archheretic: no, theres no way to do it if its secured.
[17:54] <PCatinean> vineetmenon, enter what?
[17:54] <PCatinean> some say only fstab
[17:54] <adaccada> vineetmenon, actually follwoing the link you send me and reinstall xorg and the other package
[17:54] <adaccada> vineetmenon, but sometimes I just got it working also before
[17:54] <archheretic> Okey, so no way to ping it then =/
[17:54] <teward> archheretic: there's no way to ping the router of a network without connecting to it, AFAIK - and if it's a secured network you have no method of access for that as well
[17:54] <julian-delphiki> archheretic: no, why would you want to.
[17:55] <vineetmenon> PCatinean: mount it normally, search for entry in mtab, copy the line and paste it into fstab
[17:55] <adaccada> so sometimes it just works, sometimes (most of the time) I need severeal times to unplug
[17:55] <vineetmenon> PCatinean: it should work.. normally.
[17:55] <adaccada> and in the worst case my notebook slowes down and does not react anymore
[17:55] <PCatinean> where is mtab again?
[17:55] <vineetmenon> adaccada: Oh nice.. congrats
[17:55] <PCatinean> got it
[17:56] <vineetmenon> PCtinean: /etc/mtab
[17:56] <PCatinean> vineetmenon, no UUID?
[17:56] <OerHeks> !fstab | PCatinean complete howto
[17:57] <PCatinean> there is no entry in mnt
[17:58] <vineetmenon> PCatinean: it will be best if you can read this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[17:58] <littlebit> hi people, I have been trying to setup and configure a bridge between 2 interfaces, but it isn't working. During startup I get the following message: Cannot bring up device "br0" Bind socket to interface: No such device Failed to bring up br0
[17:59] <littlebit> here is my config http://pastebin.com/XFyicigY
[17:59] <littlebit> can someone help???
[18:02] <PCatinean> What permission does the mount point need to have in order for automatinc mounting to work properly OerHeks ?
[18:04] <OerHeks> PCatinean, he guide is clear, just run "sudo mkdir /media/<whatever>" no extra settings needed
[18:04] <OerHeks> *the
[18:04] <PCatinean> asked about the mountpoint options in fstab
[18:04] <OerHeks> PCatinean, depends, what type of partition.
[18:04] <PCatinean> ntfs
[18:04] <PCatinean> ?
[18:04] <PCatinean> UUID=51DDB6994E6674F0 /mnt/Caddy ntfs rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096 0 0
[18:05] <PCatinean> I got this from mnt directly
[18:06] <OerHeks> PCatinean, why @ /mnt/ ???
[18:06] <littlebit> hi people, I have been trying to setup and configure a bridge between 2 interfaces, but it isn't working. During startup I get the following message: Cannot bring up device "br0" Bind socket to interface: No such device Failed to bring up br0
[18:06] <littlebit> here is my config http://pastebin.com/XFyicigY
[18:06] <littlebit> can someone help???
[18:06] <PCatinean> because that's where I usually place mounted drives?
[18:07] <EriC^^> PCatinean: auto automounts it
[18:07] <PCatinean> huh?
[18:10] <EriC^^> it's a mount option, use it at the end though cause if you use defaults first it includes noauto i think
[18:18] <[976497]A> Has anyone here got any experience with single-board computers (like Raspberry) with Ubuntu?
[18:19] <PCatinean> How can I determine the best drivers for my Nvidia card so I can play CS-GO properly?
[18:21] <Lenry> Hi. I'm new to ubuntu(14.04 lts). And i have a problem with my sound. I own a microphone and headphones, seperate, and use a Y-Cable to combine them (ultrabook only has one jack-in slot).
[18:22] <Fr3d3r1c> Hello
[18:22] <Lenry> So i sometimes get sound, but no microphone input. sometimes microphone sound but no sound on my headphones
[18:22] <OerHeks> [976497]A, only rasp pi 2 can run ubuntu AFAIK
[18:22] <Fr3d3r1c> i have a question ! Can i expand my windows to 90% of my desktop to keep in view my background ?
[18:23] <MrElendig> Fr3d3r1c: sure, how depends on your wm
[18:23] <Fr3d3r1c> I'm on ubuntu with unity
[18:23] <Fr3d3r1c> 14.10
[18:24] <Fr3d3r1c> i don't know my windows manager
[18:24] <smoking-peanuts> I am having a wireless network problem.  the connection seems to drop occasionally .  The problem doesn't appear to happen with in windows. It also doesn't seems to happen on all network. But it is happening on the current network that I am working on. I used lspci -nn and found a wireless adapter of[0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter [10ec:8179].  I have done some searching whi
[18:24] <smoking-peanuts> ch helped me get the wireless working. But, the drops have continued on this network that I am connected to. any ideas?
[18:25] <[976497]A> OerHeks: no, there are other single board machines and I'm looking for a channel or people to chat about it.
[18:25] <ioria> Lenry, the micro is enabled in  alsamixer  ?
[18:26] <smoking-peanuts> I am using ubuntu 14.04 kernel version 3.13.0-49
[18:26] <emma_> hello
[18:27] <emma_> how can i add Multiverse and medibuntu repositories ??
[18:27] <Lenry> ioria. yeah i guess. dont know exactly. i just turned everything up
[18:27] <ikonia> emma_: mediubuntu is dead
[18:27] <ikonia> emma_: multiverse is already there - you just enable it
[18:27] <emma_> i must install this tutoriel https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TASCAM_US-122
[18:27] <k1l_> emma_: see system settings - > software and updates
[18:28] <ioria> Lenry, type alsamixer and check if there are MM is muted
[18:28] <emma_> and i have made one time but i forget the process
[18:28] <ikonia> emma_: the packages from medibuntu should now be included in the ubuntu repos
[18:30] <Lenry> ioria, i guess it's not muted. i turned down the internal mic. and headphone speakers & headphone mic up
[18:33] <emma_> ty
[18:33] <emma_> i go try alone
[18:33] <ioria> Lenry, what's your sound card ?
[18:34] <Lenry> ioria, i tried to figure that out yesterday. intel chip 7series or something like that
[18:35] <ioria> Lenry, lspci -k | grep Multimedia -A 4
[18:36] <k1l_> [976497]A: so you want to talk abtou ARM boards. there is #ubuntu-arm
[18:36] <[976497]A> k1l_: thx
[18:36] <Lenry> ioria, nothing with your line. with lspci -k | grep Audio    -> Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[18:37] <oal> How is battery life on Macbooks with Ubuntu these days? Anywhere near what you get in OSX?
[18:38] <OerHeks> oal, battery life, depends what you do with the machine.
[18:39] <oal> Just regular use. Last time I tried Ubuntu on mine, it used a lot of battery even in sleep mode. In OSX I can leave it over night, and it's only down tops 1% in the morning
[18:40] <ioria> Lenry, lsmod | grep snd ?
[18:41] <OerHeks> oal, when was 'last time'?
[18:41] <oal> Hmm, early 2014
[18:41] <Lenry> ioria, bunch of stuff :D
[18:41] <oal> January/February, OerHeks
[18:41] <ioria> Lenry, ok ...
[18:41] <OerHeks> oal videodriver might be better / more economic now, but generally ubuntu uses more power, that is true.
[18:42] <Lenry> ioria, need everything ?
[18:42] <ioria> Lenry, no,if  there is snd_intel8x0
[18:44] <Lenry> ioria, nope. just snd_hda_intel
[18:45] <ioria> Lenry, do you have a  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ?
[18:45] <Lenry> ioria, yep. i already changed something there.
[18:46] <Lenry> ioria: options snd-hda-intel model=1
[18:46] <ioria> Lenry, try  options snd-hda-intel model=generic
[18:47] <Lenry> ioria, reboot i guess. then what should i see ? or how do i know if it worked ?
[18:48] <smoking-peanuts> oal: I have windows 8 on my machine and it seems to gets better battery life then my ubuntu. but that might also be because of a power management my wireless issue
[18:49] <ioria> Lenry, if the mic works as expected...  otherwise,reverse with the previous  options
[18:49] <Lenry> ioria. okay, well i come back maybe :D and thanks so far, no matter if it works or not
[18:52] <john_doe_jr> I have appended my PATH variable in ~/.profile and it it not being read after doing a echo $PATH…any ideas why?
[18:53] <dcarmich> Is there any way to see what Xorg driver Ubuntu is using?
[18:53] <dcarmich> (when there is no xorg.conf.)
[18:53] <oal> smoking-peanuts, I run Windows 7 too on my Macbook, but it is a lot more battery hungry than OSX. But that seems to be normal with Windows on Macs afaik
[18:54] <bekks> dcarmich: The /var/log/Xorg.0.log should give you that information.
[18:54] <dcarmich> Thanks.. just checked that, but also want to see if there's an up-to-date version of MesaGL.
[18:55] <smoking-peanuts> oal: Windows 8 is lighter on the memory than windows 7 i think
[18:56] <oal> hmm, yeah, probably. But I'll wait for Windows 10 before I upgrade :)
[18:56] <zeleftikam> what is this? Error mounting /dev/sda5 at /media/zeleftikam/2410DA0110D9D9BE: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sda5" "/media/zeleftikam/2410DA0110D9D9BE"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
[18:56] <zeleftikam> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
[18:56] <zeleftikam> Failed to mount '/dev/sda5': Operation not permitted
[18:56] <zeleftikam> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[18:56] <zeleftikam> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[18:56] <zeleftikam> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[18:56] <crepple> has less updates tho - lets see after sp2 :)
[18:56] <darius93> zeleftikam, disable fast boot maybe?
[18:56] <grio> Jumpin' in here today.
[18:56] <darius93> i think fast boot and hibernation will cause that error
[18:57] <OerHeks> zeleftikam, so "The disk contains an unclean file system "means use windows and chkdsk to correct problems
[18:58] <zeleftikam> thanks
[18:58] <zeleftikam> also can't get any external usb or memory cards to mount
[18:58] <zeleftikam> tried various commands googling, nothing helps
[18:59] <zeleftikam> submitted bug report, no help
[18:59] <bekks> zeleftikam: When did you submit it?
[19:00] <zeleftikam> i've submitted bug reports over several weeks and they are all in this "undetermined" status and nobody seems to look at them
[19:00] <zeleftikam> let alone anyone who could fix it
[19:00] <bekks> zeleftikam: Do you have the links for them?
[19:01] <zeleftikam> yes but i'm not posting them to IRC because it would connect my nick to my real identity and i don't want that
[19:03] <ioria> overreacting
[19:04] <OerHeks> ioria, i would say: my bug is simular to this guy: url
[19:04] <OerHeks> mja
[19:04] <ioria> OerHeks, -^_^-
[19:13] <step21> hey ... any idea what to do about a package which seems to not properly install/uninstall and block apt-get with that?
[19:14] <step21> apt-get -f install didn't help
[19:14] <bprompt> step21:     what errors are you getting?   can you paste the error messages ?
[19:14] <baxx> how do I test whether KVM is currently enabled? I currently have this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10775740/
[19:14] <baxx> does that mean that it's running alright?
[19:16] <step21> bprompt, http://pastebin.com/DscTd5yB
[19:17] <studentka> hellooo
[19:18] <bprompt> baxx:     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[19:19] <bprompt> hmm
[19:19] <baxx> bprompt: yeah - it doesn't have a command to test whether it's already set or not though, I'm not sure if this is something that's already been done or not
[19:19] <ki7mt> step21, well, part of the problem is package related, as the pre-removal script (prerm) is not handling the error very gracefully. What package is this your having issues with?
[19:19] <bprompt> step21:    doesn't tell us much.... if you do a -> sudo apt-get -f install;   does it give you an error? which error does it give you?
[19:20] <intrin> anyone use ispconfig 3?
[19:20] <OerHeks> step21, what package? build it yourself, downloaded somewhere, softwarecenter ?
[19:20] <bprompt> baxx:    hmmm that page indicates a few things about whethere is running or not,  is not just about installation
[19:20] <OerHeks> !details | step21
[19:22] <baxx> bprompt: fair, I can't seem to find something other than what I pasted in regards to testing whether its already set up, and I'm not sure whether that paste means its running or that it's able to run
[19:22] <studentka> who can help me?
[19:23] <OerHeks> !ask | studentka
[19:23] <q_> whats the name of that multi format uncompress CLI utility again ?
[19:23] <bekks> studentka: How do we know? Did you ask your real question already?
[19:25] <bprompt> baxx:     yeah... looks not very specific... but I'd think it may seem to indicate it's
[19:25] <Tiberios> hey guys
[19:25] <studentka> i have a laptop pentium 3 850 with 256 ram. i have problem with the browser it is too slow. i want to use this laptop just fo surfing nothing more. which linux i should to install?
[19:25] <OerHeks> !7zip | q_
[19:26] <OerHeks> oh, not cli
[19:26] <baxx> bprompt: its.... don't leave me on a cliff hanger! ;)
[19:26] <halfburnttoast> studentka, probably lbuntu. But it's a P3, it's never going to be fast
[19:26] <Tiberios> I'm having an issue with the unity panel on ubuntu 14.04.2, basically none of the indicator applets show up in it at all
[19:26] <q_> hmm, I know there is one for CLI too I just forget it , OerHeks
[19:26] <bprompt> hehh
[19:27] <Tiberios> I've done a reinstall of unity and ubuntu-desktop but that hasn't helped...
[19:27] <halfburnttoast> lubuntu*
[19:27] <bprompt> baxx:     seems to indicate that It IS
[19:27] <studentka> halfburnttoast do you think upgrade ram to 512 will improve it?
[19:28] <halfburnttoast> studentka, it'll probably help prevent the computer from using swap for a little longer, but the P3 is just old. Too old too keep up with the modern internet for most things
[19:28] <halfburnttoast> a replacement computer would be a better choice, if possible
[19:28] <bagginsDK> Hello Guys! I have a major problem with my laptop battery! It doesn;t change no matter what i tried. My ac adapter is working good but on Ubuntu 14.04 my battery is not charging. I have to mention that on Xubuntu 14.04 is charging as well as on Fedora 21 xfce
[19:28] <Fr3d3r1c> hello
[19:28] <studentka> i see. so i should to sell it for 20 euro
[19:29] <halfburnttoast> studentka, I mean, if that's the only computer you have avaliable right now, it'll work. It just wont be fast
[19:29] <Tiberios> anyone got any suggestions?
[19:29] <bprompt> studentka:     smallest footprint *nix you can isntall, would be Puppylinux IIRC
[19:31] <studentka> i had install too another linux. 64mb in ram. but unlucky i can not to use internet. i think it can not to recognize the LAN
[19:31] <halfburnttoast> yeah, puppy would probably be better than lubuntu for that amount of ram
[19:31] <studentka> it worked from cd. i had not to install it
[19:31] <halfburnttoast> still, 256M is not a lot to work with, puppy linux or not
[19:31] <step21> ki7mt, bprompt the output to pastebin is the error part of the output of apt-get -f install
[19:32] <studentka> problem is ram. i see that when i open browser it use all the ram
[19:32] <step21> package is click (<IP_ADDRESS>-0~455~ubuntu14.04.1) from ubuntu sources or ubuntu-sdk
[19:32] <bekks> studentka: Thats expected when havong 64M RAM only.
[19:33] <halfburnttoast> studentka, it's not just ram. even if you had gigs of ram, you're still pushing it all through a pentium 3
[19:33] <bprompt> studentka:     well.... to be fair.... you "can" get online with say.... .hmmm something like ubuntu 9.04... or even ubuntu 7.04   too, now, the browsers however, will be so outdated, that many pages will be broken, or patched up with some shim which will cause overhead
[19:33] <halfburnttoast> it'll never be fast
[19:33] <halfburnttoast> not with the modern internet
[19:34] <studentka> i see. i thinked that the problem was the graphic card 8mb. i thinked that i had to install the driver which there arent for linux..
[19:34] <bprompt> studentka:    now, if you want to get online with a decent up-to-standards browser, then you'd need  something like ubuntu 10 or up..... I think you can squeak by with 9.04 btw, but flash plugin was sorta not-so-great back then, and that'd make the browser slow as well
[19:36] <halfburnttoast> bprompt, uhh, why reccomend versions of ubuntu that aren't supported?
[19:36] <xangua_> bprompt: studentka if what you are looking is for a light ubuntu flavor use lubuntu or xubuntu.
[19:36] <bprompt> studentka:     8mbs for a graphic cards...goodness, come on now, I used to use a 8mbs videocard back in 2002, that machine sounds good for.... a vms or something.... or even a printer server or fileserver
[19:36] <halfburnttoast> current lubuntu will work with 256M, it just wont be pretty
[19:36] <bprompt> halfburnttoast:   for it may work in his/her scenario, he never asked for a supported version for that matter, or even ubuntu distribution either
[19:37] <ki7mt> step21, Ok, I'd have to pull apart the package ( pkg brain surgery), but -f install is just forcing deps to be installed, I dont think that is the issue.
[19:38] <step21> ki7mt, yeah, well mostly the issue is that somehow if the package is interacted with, it depends on a working /usr/bin/click and as that is not there, it fails hard instead of gracefully
[19:39] <step21> interacted = removed,reinstalled, etc ...
[19:39] <studentka> this computer is old i know.. i will try xubunt. but it dont need 256 ram?
[19:40] <halfburnttoast> studentka, you'll need at least that just to run the installer
[19:40] <step21> ki7mt, it is ubuntu core package, but maybe current version is from ubuntu-sdk
[19:40] <halfburnttoast> minimal cd probably uses less, though
[19:40] <studentka> ok. i will try it thx
[19:40] <step21> (according to apt-cache show)
[19:41] <ki7mt> step21, Yeah, the import command in the module is failing, for some reason. I'm not overly familiar with click, though I have used it in the past. I would start by posting a Bug on it as what's happening is a broken behavior, rather than installation failure.
[19:41] <halfburnttoast> studentka, xfce has higher requirements than lubuntu, though. You might try that or puppy linux first
[19:41] <halfburnttoast> xubuntu*
[19:42] <studentka> ok
[19:42] <halfburnttoast> both are supported
[19:42] <halfburnttoast> or rather, still being updated
[19:42] <Tiberios> I'm having an issue with the unity panel on ubuntu 14.04.2, basically none of the indicator applets show up in it at all
[19:42] <Tiberios> I've done a reinstall of unity and ubuntu-desktop but that hasn't helped...
[19:42] <Tiberios> anyone got any suggestions?
[19:42] <step21> ki7mt, ok, will do that
[19:42] <baxx> Does anyone know where the JDK is for java 8 on ubuntu? javac -version gives me javac 1.8.0_31, but I can't find where the JDK is actually installed
[19:43] <step21> ki7mt, I tried the import stuff manually, the module it tries to import is there, but the name it tries to import from the module is not
[19:43] <htqp> baxx: why do you want to know? what is the real goal/problem?
[19:44] <baxx> htqp: I'm trying to follow some guide on setting up android studio and I need to point it to the location of the jdk
[19:44] <baxx> htqp: by default it's pointing to /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle
[19:44] <ki7mt> step21, yes, thats a core a function issue rather than install, unless the installation requires the import which would be really odd.
[19:45] <step21> ki7mt, yeah.
[19:45] <htqp> baxx: no experience with android studio, but command ''which javac'' will give you the path of javac executable
[19:47] <baxx> htqp: cheers, think it's a symlink lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root          23 Feb 15 14:52 javac -> /etc/alternatives/javac
[19:47] <htqp> ls -l /etc/alternatives/javac
[19:48] <htqp> (alternatives should be a symlink as well)
[19:48] <htqp> (I meant, /etc/alternatives/javac)
[19:48] <ki7mt> baxx, that's normal for multiple Java installs on a system, update-alternatives allows you to select which JDK to use, if installed
[19:49] <ki7mt> baxx, More info here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[19:49] <baxx> cheers htqp , ki7mt -> I'm expecting to find something that's explicitly called `jdk` or with that in the name but I'm not, I'll have a look at the link thanks
[19:50] <baxx> ki7mt: basically what's at this video at this time : https://youtu.be/JTSlJV1EzKg?t=417
[19:50] <ki7mt> baxx, You find the binaries in something like:  /usr/lib/jvm/jre1.8.0/jre/bin/java 3 or similar.
[19:51] <New_User_ubuntu> Dear All\
[19:52] <New_User_ubuntu> continous reboot of ubuntu 14.04
[19:52] <New_User_ubuntu> nothing much i could find in the logs
[19:52] <New_User_ubuntu> requesting help
[19:53] <New_User_ubuntu> Write failed: Broken pipe
[19:53] <baxx> ki7mt: yeh, In /usr/lib/jvm I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/10776062/
[19:53] <New_User_ubuntu> getting this error when i am connected via ssh to the servers
[19:54] <ObrienDave> could you use the enter key for punctuation just a bit more often? ;p
[19:54] <baxx> I'll see if anyone over at android-dev knows, not sure if this is a Linux, Ubuntu, or anroid issue though?
[19:55] <Kaby> hello all
[19:55] <bagginsDK> Nobody faced issues with his/her laptop battery?
[19:56] <bekks> bagginsDK: What if? :)
[19:56] <tgm4883> baxx: I didn't look at all teh backlog, but sounds like you need the JDK and not the JRE
[19:56] <Kaby> bagginsDK, what battery ?
[19:57] <bagginsDK> I am running ubuntu 14.04 on a laptop and my battery is not charging.
[19:57] <baxx> tgm4883: cheers - I thought that the command I ran showed that I had that installed though, javac -version  javac 1.8.0_31
[19:57] <pavlos> bagginsDK, that could be hardware issue
[19:57] <k1l_> bagginsDK: look up if that is a known issue for your make and model. or test it if its a hardware issue
[19:58] <bagginsDK> I have no problems with xubuntu 14.04
[19:58] <ki7mt> baxx, I would think then, by using update-alternatives you could set 8 as your default and continue on.
[19:58] <tgm4883> baxx: that doesn't show much, is there more output?
[19:58] <Anosss> hello
[19:58] <Anosss> lol
[19:58] <baxx> tgm4883: that's all I get from that command
[19:58] <bagginsDK> I thought it is a kernel problem
[19:59] <Kaby> bagginsDK, your mixing bro between hardware issues and software issues
[19:59] <bagginsDK> Maybe some configuration that i am missing
[19:59] <Anosss> balls
[19:59] <monojin> Package management question: what is the difference between an "upgradeable" package as I see it in Synaptic and one that the software updater upgrades automatically?
[19:59] <bagginsDK> Does anybody know how to calibrate laptop battery in Ubuntu
[20:00] <Kaby> bagginsDK, Well 90 % of the battery problems would be hardware issue , but some times it could be software issue the icon show that the battery not charging but in fact it is working 100 %
[20:00] <Anosss> ubuntu works on all windows psc
[20:00] <Fr3d3r1c> hello
[20:01] <bagginsDK> Kaby, it is showing the icon and when i remove ac adapter it still runs for some minutes but i have no indication
[20:01] <tgm4883> baxx: you need to do an ls -l of /etc/alternatives/javac
[20:01] <bagginsDK> The icon still says 0%
[20:01] <Fr3d3r1c> i want maximize my windows at 90 % for viewving my background, is it possible (bad english) sorry
[20:01] <baxx> tgm4883: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10776139/
[20:02] <Kaby> bagginsDK, your battery need to be changed
[20:02] <ki7mt> monojin, short version, upgradeable means there are no package conflicts for the target of interest. Automatic upgrades happen for those packages where the dependencies can be met.
[20:02] <Kaby> bagginsDK, what laptop do you have ? hp toshiba lenovo acer
[20:02] <bagginsDK> HP
[20:02] <baxx> ki7mt: I'll have a look at update-alternatives, I've not used it before.
[20:03] <Kaby> yes take your battery or laptop to any computer support center and buy a new battery
[20:03] <ki7mt> baxx, here's a relevant example: http://askubuntu.com/questions/492029/update-alternatives-install
[20:03] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, right click on battery icon, settings
[20:04] <k1l_> bagginsDK: see my last message
[20:04] <baxx> ki7mt: cheers - what's the idea behind this? I don't really understand what it's for - telling the system what version of java I'm using?
[20:04] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, show battery status in menu bar: when battery is present
[20:05] <bagginsDK> pavlos, i keep following you
[20:05] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, then?
[20:05] <pavlos_> make sure the whne batter is present is selected
[20:05] <pavlos_> when battery
[20:06] <Kaby> pavlos_, when it is plugged showing 0 % and unplugged showing also 0 % then hardware issue
[20:06] <monojin> ki7mt: I just ran software updater and it wants to upgrade these packages after all; thought there was a difference. Thanks for your answer
[20:06] <pavlos_> I have NO suspend for the top row
[20:06] <ki7mt> baxx, It's used for many things, editors, browsers, compiler too-chains, etc.  It allows the suer to select which, if multiple versions exist, to use as the system default.
[20:06] <pavlos_> Kaby, he said it works on Xubuntu ... just making sure the settings are ok
[20:07] <step21> ki7mt, kinda seems like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1386354 though not really as I was already at a ppa package and never tried upgrading to 14.10
[20:07] <baxx> ki7mt: I'll note that I can use Java at the moment for Processing programmes, not sure if that makes any difference
[20:07] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, when lid closed ... suspend
[20:07] <baxx> ki7mt: I'm going to try the advice on that forum post now
[20:07] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, what do you mean?
[20:08] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, I'm describing the options you see in the power settings window
[20:08] <ki7mt> baxx, Some Java applicaitnos require later versions that others, same with compilers, so it simply allows you to use whatever your needed for the source code needs.
[20:08] <baxx> ki7mt: though I still don't get it - I don't seem to have ANY jdk versions, let alone multiple ;)
[20:09] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, i have removed my ac adapter and still working
[20:09] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, http://imgur.com/x58I1Pw
[20:09] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, Maybe if i  dry my battery....
[20:10] <ki7mt> baxx, Save I have Nano and Vim install, and I want want my default editor to be Nano.  If I type "editor" in the command line, Vim pops open. If I change the alternative to Nano, then type "editor" nano opens up.
[20:10] <bekks> bagginsDK: Dry your battery? You want to entirely kill it? :)
[20:10] <baxx> ki7mt: yes but you have Nano and Vim in this scenario , I don't seem to have anything called jdk
[20:11] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, i have the same settings as you have. I make this dump question because my ui is in German
[20:11] <ki7mt> baxx, it's the same for JER's, compilers and so on. update-alternates allows you to set the default. If you dont have it installed, that's another matter entirely.
[20:11] <ayahia56> hi everybody i have problem with bluetooth can you help?
[20:12] <baxx> ki7mt: that's what I'm confused about - the command that's meant to test whether it's intstalled doesn't return error, but I can't find anything called jdk
[20:12] <ki7mt> baxx, What's the coommand your using to test
[20:13] <baxx> ki7mt: javac -version
[20:13] <baxx> ki7mt: javac 1.8.0_31
[20:13] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, run without the adapter, let the battery drain, then plug in adapter and boot. Maybe that will help ...
[20:14] <ki7mt> baxx, Ok, and what javac version or JRE do you need / want ?
[20:14] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, That's my thought. I will give it a go. I am very confused because on Xubuntu & Fedora 21 xfce i did not have problems
[20:14] <ki7mt> baxx, just fyi, JDK is short for Java Development Kit .. it's not a binary
[20:14] <baxx> ki7mt: I'm after the jdk, I think 8 is fine, in the android install the default location that it comes up with is /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle
[20:15] <bagginsDK> pavlos_,  thank you very much
[20:15] <baxx> ki7mt: in this video https://youtu.be/JTSlJV1EzKg?t=417 it's located in /usr/local
[20:15] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, np
[20:15] <baxx> ki7mt: I don't have it there though :/
[20:16] <easker> I'm trying to understand how to password protect editing of grub menu entries only. When I follow the steps to password protect here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords, all I get is a system that I can't boot until I enter a password. Am I missing something or is it not possible to only protect editing of menu entries in grub 2?
[20:17] <ki7mt> baxx, /usr/local would indication and source build isntallation. if you type: java --version and it renders something like: java version "1.8.0_40" .. you have JDK 8 installed.
[20:17] <ki7mt> ../usr/local would be an indication .. ..
[20:18] <AaronMT_> !warty
[20:18] <baxx> ki7mt: thanks : java version "1.8.0_31"
[20:18] <baxx> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_31-b13)
[20:18] <baxx> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.31-b07, mixed mode)
[20:18] <baxx> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[20:18] <ki7mt> baxx, As a side note, I would *not* recommend building JDK from source, use the Web8 PPA or repository package for installation.
[20:18] <AaronMT> !hoary
[20:19] <baxx> ki7mt: I don't want to build from source - but looking at that implies that I have the jdk installed, so why can't I find it like the vidoes?
[20:19] <xangua> AaronMT: you can consult ubbotu in private
[20:19] <nullbyte_> java aways is vulnerable
[20:19] <AaronMT> Why EOL?
[20:20] <ki7mt> baxx, Find it like the video's ? I dont understand what your asking.
[20:20] <bekks> AaronMT: warty and hoary are horrible outdated.
[20:20] <AaronMT> Where can I download?
[20:20] <baxx> I don't have the jdk in the location that's in the video, or a directory named it that I can find anywhere else ki7mt
[20:20] <pavlos_> AaronMT, 5.04 was april 2005
[20:20] <bekks> AaronMT: Hopefully nowhere.
[20:21] <pavlos_> AaronMT, http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[20:21] <AaronMT> ty
[20:21] <nullbyte_> buntu
[20:22] <ki7mt> baxx, You have JDK 8 .. proven by running: java --version .. I've not watched the Vid, so there installation may be miles away from what you currently have installed., thus the danger of Vid installations :-)
[20:22] <baxx> ki7mt: indeed, but I would expect there to be a jdk directory somewhere, but I can't find it! I need to point the android studio to it :/
[20:23] <Bursihido> hello, http://pastie.org/private/xq2ddptccw1l9py1z6a
[20:24] <Bursihido> apt-get erros
[20:24] <Bursihido> can't get it right ..
[20:24] <ki7mt> baxx, Again, JDK is an acronym, not a package name, folder name or  binary. JRE (Jave Runtime Environment) on the other hand, usually gets a folder name suffixed with the version.
[20:25] <baxx> ki7mt: ah shit, so it's just not got JDK in the name in the one I've installed?
[20:25] <ki7mt> baxx, +1
[20:25] <bagginsDK> Hello, how can i see installed applications/packages from terminal?
[20:25] <baxx> ki7mt: ffs
[20:25] <wawrek> hello, I am trying to increase the amount of memory allocated to apache. how can I do that?
[20:26] <baxx> ki7mt: thanks for your help, I'll just presume that the programme guessed right for now then !
[20:26] <dreamer_> nick #docker-dev
[20:26] <gr33n7007h> bagginsDK: dpkg -l
[20:26] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, dpkg -l | grep ii
[20:27] <ki7mt> baxx, If the apps your developing need 1.8.xx, and java --version is spitting back 1.8.31, your probably in good shape, as that is the default at the moment.
[20:27] <Bursihido> hello, http://pastie.org/private/xq2ddptccw1l9py1z6a
[20:27] <Bursihido> erros on apt-get install
[20:27] <Bursihido> dpkg
[20:27] <charlesW_> Is there a way for me to make a program start up automatically ubuntu 14.04lts boots up?
[20:27] <charlesW_> after boot up
[20:28] <bekks> !autostart | charlesW_
[20:28] <baxx> ki7mt: cool, i was just trying to find the dir that actually had jdk in it, but yeh, as fun a way to spend half an hour as any i guess ;)
[20:28] <bagginsDK> gr33n7007h, pavlos_  thank you!
[20:28] <pavlos_> charlesW_, using Dash, find startup apps, add yours.
[20:28] <ki7mt> baxx, Plan on spending allot more time than 30 minutes :-) .. that's just the beginning.
[20:29] <coffee-> thanks a neat command pavlos_ ty
[20:29] <charlesW_> ok, thanks...
[20:29] <baxx> ki7mt: looking for directories or actually doing stuff?
[20:29] <ki7mt> baxx, Both :-)
[20:29] <baxx> ki7mt: be nice if I could spend ages looking for a file next time, switch it up a bit
[20:30] <ki7mt> baxx, That's mush easier actually .. "find" is your friend in that case.
[20:38] <Fr3d3r1c> hello
[20:39] <Fr3d3r1c> how waking up a sshfs connexion every hours per example
[20:39] <bekks> Just use the ssh keepalive settings.
[20:40] <Fr3d3r1c> actually, i have added a sshfs connection on boot of my computer
[20:40] <ki7mt> +1 what he said ^ ServerAliveInterval xx
[20:40] <Fr3d3r1c> where is keepalive settings ?
[20:40] <Fr3d3r1c> it's on distant server ?
[20:40] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c,  ~/.ssh/config
[20:40] <Fr3d3r1c> it is not recommanded i believe
[20:41] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, By whome, and why ?
[20:41] <ki7mt> ..whom
[20:41] <Fr3d3r1c> by some users on internet for security
[20:42] <ki7mt> some users? .. not the SSH developers?
[20:42] <Fr3d3r1c> french users on irc
[20:42] <Bursihido> http://pastie.org/private/xq2ddptccw1l9py1z6a
[20:43] <johnhope> I'm kinda new to linux but I'm a gamer and too many things are uncompatable with linux so I'd like to uninstall linux and get windows back. I have a copy of windows on a disc but I'm missing the bios password. So what I was thinking was to make linux unrecognizable as a OS and have my pc to be forced to run the disc.
[20:43] <bekks> johnhope: SO who has the BIOS password?
[20:43] <johnhope> Idk
[20:43] <johnhope> Might be the defult
[20:43] <pavlos_> Bushido, did you try sudo apt-get install -f
[20:43] <johnhope> Couldn't find it
[20:44] <pavlos_> Bushido, the -f flag fixes things
[20:44] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, If you've properly secured your SSH server, this is not an issue.
[20:44] <Bushido> pavlos_: help option s opened
[20:44] <cn28h> can't the bios normally be reset with a jumper or such?
[20:44] <Fr3d3r1c> i have created a public key and phrase
[20:44] <bekks> cn28h: Depends on the mainboard.
[20:44] <Fr3d3r1c> secret phrase, i don't remember
[20:44] <cn28h> well sure
[20:44] <Fr3d3r1c> it's enough secured ?
[20:45] <johnhope> I don't know how to do that though I do think I read something like that
[20:45] <htqp> johnhope: sometimes you can reset the bios settings (including the password) by removing its battery, waiting a little, then putting it again
[20:45] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, Too much to go into here, but Disabling Root Access, Password logins, Access by keys only, Changing the port, things of that nature.
[20:46] <Bushido> pavlos_: sudo apt-get install -f dpkg
[20:46] <Bushido> it's not fixing it
[20:46] <bekks> johnhope: It should be documented in the manual of your computer.
[20:46] <pavlos_> Bushido, the is no dpkg at the end, just "sudo apt-get install -f"
[20:46] <johnhope> Where's the battary? And I got this 2nd hand without the manual
[20:46] <Bushido> pavlos_: it open help menu
[20:47] <Bushido> i thsow the help options
[20:47] <htqp> (assuming MBR) I don't see how 'making linux unrecognizable' could work, because the bios does not know about partitions, bios only knows about hdd or cd, once it boots off the hdd you are in the realm of grub which decides what os to run
[20:47] <htqp> so if you 'make linux unrecognizable' (assuming bios/mbr) you are only going to ask bios to boot an unbootable hdd = failure
[20:48] <Brb23> Need some help here my laptop wont connect to WiFi it sicks at the message User authentication required.. but never gives me the screen to enter the password
[20:48] <johnhope> But once I get the password wrong a couple times a different display shows and other stuff happens
[20:48] <bekks> johnhope: Which "other stuff"?
[20:48] <johnhope> 0.
[20:50] <johnhope> Then I have ubuntu the differnt versions of ubunto show including safety and if I exit that I get some terminal
[20:50] <johnhope> And I don't see a battery
[20:51] <Fr3d3r1c> oO ? there is nothing in config file
[20:53] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, Is this a Ubuntu Server?
[20:53] <Brb23> Need some help here my laptop wont connect to WiFi it sicks at the message User authentication required.. but never gives me the screen to enter the password
[20:53] <Fr3d3r1c> yes
[20:53] <Fr3d3r1c> on internet, a website say : /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[20:53] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, Is should be located in: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:54] <Fr3d3r1c> scuse me, on server side, it's : /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[20:54] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, Make a Backup before editing, and ensure you have asscess via your keys "before" disabling root access.
[20:54] <Fr3d3r1c> but we can make this client side
[20:55] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, I would start by reading here first: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[20:55] <mjuszcza_> with the realm tool, is there a way to get it so that sssd does not start automatically?
[20:56] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, and further reading here: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html
[20:56] <mjuszcza_> or should I just use adcli instead?
[20:57] <cnnx> how is uubntu's power management system on a thinkpad vs win7? i had to reformat win7 few weeks ago and now same problem, just hangs when trying to boot windows.. so im trying ubuntu on the thinkpad
[20:57] <k1l_> thinkpads are quite well supported by the linux kernel
[20:57] <cnnx> good to her
[20:57] <cnnx> hear
[20:58] <Fr3d3r1c> ok i will read it
[20:58] <cnnx> i run gentoo on my main system but the thinkpad is only an i3, didnt wanna compile everything
[21:00] <kokut> Hello, anyone knows how to remove/rescan cmus library?
[21:01] <MetalHead77> I'm creating a bash script to calculate the weekday within the calendar year 2011. My script should accept two input parameter values (MONTH DATE) and use the following formula to calculate weekday:
[21:02] <MetalHead77> WEEKDAY = 5 + MONTH + DATE
[21:02] <MetalHead77> The value of MONTH is based on an offset, seen in the table below:
[21:02] <MetalHead77> http://pastebin.com/8iYAyJkL
[21:02] <MetalHead77> To calculate the number for DATE, the following formula should be used: date entered % 7
[21:02] <MetalHead77> Once the formula for WEEKDAY is calculated, the table below is used to determine weekday. N.B - if the calculated value for weekday is more than 7 then do the following before using the table below: calculated value % 7
[21:02] <MetalHead77> Here is the table below:
[21:02] <MetalHead77> http://pastebin.com/51dsQ4WN
[21:02] <MetalHead77> What's the best way to go about doing this?
[21:02] <ki7mt> kokut, assuming Banshee hee, back up: ~/.config/banshee-1/banshee.db mv it out the way, then re-scan
[21:03] <jema3> Wil this adapter work on linux https://www.sitecom.com/en/usb-30-network-gigabit-adapter/ln-032/p/1533
[21:03] <kokut> ki7mt: mmh nvm i just deleted the cache
[21:04] <ki7mt> kokut, be sure to export your playlists :-) ..
[21:04] <kokut> ki7mt: i won't be using that functionality for now, i'm just using it to play music without using much resources
[21:05] <kokut> ki7mt: do you know how to sort files by length?
[21:05] <daftykins> jema3: i clicked 'support' - windows and mac drivers only, so no it's unlikely
[21:05] <kokut> ki7mt: in the browser view
[21:06] <ki7mt> kokut, no, not right off hand, but could search for it.
[21:06] <studio_> alguém aí fala portugês?
[21:06] <k1l_> !pt | studio_
[21:07] <ki7mt> kokut, command line is easy, then it always is: ls --sort=size -l
[21:08] <ki7mt> kokut, or more human readable: ls -l -S -h ~/my-cool-stuff/* | more
[21:09] <jema3> daftykins, yeah but thats the utility the chipset that drives the apadter might work
[21:11] <mjuszcza_> Is it still okay to use adcli join instead of realm join?
[21:11] <daftykins> jema3: and thus this is your time to contact the maker and find out what it is - 'cause that's not down to us :)
[21:11] <kokut> ki7mt: that command on cmus?
[21:12] <ki7mt> kokut, that command is for any folder ,, I knot know the best way to sort in the GUI View
[21:12] <ki7mt> .. dont know ..
[21:12] <ph_> there is someone who can help me ?? when i try apt-get update in a terminal an error submit : Pontarlier
[21:12] <jema3> daftykings, Thanks
[21:13] <ph_> W: Impossible de récupérer http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/ubuntu/archive/dists/trusty-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en  Somme de contrôle de hachage incohérente
[21:13] <ph_> please !!
[21:13] <daftykins> you could at least run it via a translator, ph_ :P
[21:13] <k1l_> ph_: try a different mirror or wait until the mirror you use got the updated packages
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> ph_  I speak french... somme de control is control sum, that's md5
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> !md5
[21:14] <ph_> do you think if i try ap-get update later the probleme was resolv ?? or must i change mirror
[21:15] <ph_> ??
[21:15] <stoogenmeyer> hey is the wheel group equivalent to the sudo group ?
[21:15] <ki7mt> kokut, :update-cache -f should update it, but not according to file size, I think that sorts by time. Need to search a bit more.
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> ph_  yes, try changing the mirror
[21:16] <ph_> ok thank you !!
[21:18] <kokut> ki7mt: found the search command, it did what i needed, ty
[21:18] <ki7mt> kokut, looking at the manpage, there is pl_sort and View three, lots of ways to sort: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man1/cmus.1.html
[21:22] <kokut> ki7mt: yea, just found that, ty
[21:26] <Guest27684> hallo?
[21:26] <Arduino> hi
[21:27] <Bray90820> Can someone help me auto mount a qnap SMB share on ubuntu 14.10
[21:27] <MonkeyDust> what's qnap?
[21:27] <bekks> A company selling NAS solutions.
[21:28] <Bray90820> MonkeyDust: A QNAP is a NAS Box
[21:30] <kart> for some reason i read the last 2 lines as " a company selling monkeydust "
[21:30] <kart> o.O
[21:31] <bekks> kart: No no, they dont sell unicorn dust.
[21:32]  * Bray90820 kart here is your monkey dust http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e5a7/
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> kart  you have "daily ..." (dyslexia) ... fill out the three dots
[21:38] <ph_> just for information if the person who anwser me about my update error !! i change mirror and the problem whas resolv thanks !!
[21:38] <ph_> good night
[21:41] <dima666> Brothers, How to Prevent cookie for deleting?
[21:41] <dima666> of
[21:41] <dima666> deleting
[21:41] <dima666> if they're timed out or something else
[21:42] <hhee> guys, how can i turn off trash in ubuntu? unity
[21:43] <hhee> and how can i write out cache on disk? ssd in my case
[21:44] <notalanturing> hhee, what do youe mean with turning off?
[21:44] <bekks> !trim | hhee
[21:45] <hhee> notalanturing: i want that file go right to the /dev/null :) with out take some drive space
[21:45] <hhee> bekks: thx bro!
[21:46] <ki7mt> hhee, use shift+delete .. or you can bypass the ole trash can if desired.
[21:46] <hhee> ki7mt: well , you right.
[21:46] <angelicnitemare> quit
[21:47] <angelicnitemare> fuck
[21:47] <hhee> :)
[21:48] <hhee> guys you all awesome :)
[21:48] <ki7mt> hhee, in File >> Preferences >> Behavior .. enable Include Delete command that bypasses Trash .. be warned whenthey get deleted, they are gone without performing surgery on the drive.
[21:49] <hhee> ki7mt: tnx tnx! that's it!
[21:53] <coffee-> what is the repo for google products, ie earth chrome, and how would i add it and update from it
[21:53] <k1l_> install the chrome .deb package that will ad it
[21:53] <k1l_> !chrome
[21:54] <coffee-> kk thanks k1l_ , and the command for updating is sudo apt-get update?
[21:54] <k1l_> yes
[21:54] <coffee-> kk thanks a bunch :)
[21:54] <k1l_> well, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:54] <coffee-> oh ok ty :)
[21:54] <k1l_> apt-get update only gets the new list from the servers. it doesnt update the installed packages
[21:55] <coffee-> that makes sense
[21:55] <coffee-> kk
[22:05] <bradland> trying to get password-less sudo working on a fresh 14.04 server install
[22:05] <bradland> i have the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10777027/
[22:06] <embrik> I try to render a project including, video, sound and images, and keep getting this crash-report: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
[22:06] <embrik>   what():  std::bad_alloc
[22:06] <bradland> nevermind. sorry :\
[22:07] <embrik> using ubuntu 1404 and heroine cv 2.2
[22:08] <embrik> can anybody help me? I've tried batch rendering as well. There are free resources on my computer
[22:08] <YNak> .
[22:09] <daftykins> embrik: system is stable in general? checked your hard disk health + memtest'd just to be sure? that's the only input i can give
[22:12] <embrik> daftykins, thanks, yes it's stable and in good health. Moved to Cinelerra-channel
[22:15] <CharlieTheCabbie> hi all.  can someone please explain to me how to disable the active corners on the display please? I keep hitting one and wind up with my display breaking up into about 5 windows
[22:25] <q_> CharlieTheCabbie, hmm I know there is a way I usually turn that off also
[22:26] <q_> CharlieTheCabbie, https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/118/no-topleft-hot-corner/ does that work ?
[22:26] <pbx> after i've installed something from ubuntu software center, why isn't there (or is there?) an "open this" command? seems so obvious
[22:27] <q_> pbx, I know right ?
[22:27] <q_> pbx, plus the package that installs sometimes has a weird executable name
[22:28] <pbx> well, that i can roll with. but given that the app exists to put a friendly face on apt, why not add this obviously friendly touch?
[22:28] <pbx> thought maybe i'd just missed an obscure UI bit
[22:29] <CharlieTheCabbie> Ah, that won't work. I'm running studio and I have KDE & Plasma as my base
[22:30] <rkrzewski> \j google-containers
[22:31] <rkrzewski> sorry
[22:33] <OerHeks> CharlieTheCabbie, you might want to ask in #kubuntu too, but plasma should have a settings page for that
[22:36] <CharlieTheCabbie> Found it.  Settings/System Settings/Workspace Behavior/
[22:36] <CharlieTheCabbie> Thanks for the point :)
[22:36] <AcE-Beta> hola
[22:36] <daftykins> hi
[22:41] <Trfsrfr> I ran sudo apt-get install gimp in the terminal. Is this all I need to do to install the program?
[22:42] <Trfsrfr> It doesnt show up in unity when I tried to run it...
[22:49] <pbx> Trfsrfr, did the install process appear to succeed (i.e. not end with an error)?
[22:49] <pbx> Trfsrfr, does `gimp` in the terminal launch the app?
[22:50] <pbx> Trfsrfr, by "in unity" you mean in the dash when you press super, or something else?
[22:51] <juan_> hello
[22:51] <Trfsrfr> pbx, I mean the ubuntu button at the top of the unity bar. The where you search your files
[22:59] <pbx> Trfsrfr, what are the answers to my other questions?  what does `which gimp` say in the terminal?
[23:00] <Trfsrfr> pbx, sorry didnt see you other questions
[23:00] <pbx> Trfsrfr, scroll back, they all start with your nick
[23:00] <Trfsrfr> pbx, yes the install appeared to be good.
[23:00] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, it should show up when you search for it
[23:01] <Trfsrfr> let me try in in terminal
[23:01] <Trfsrfr> Okay, it says its not installed. let me try again.
[23:02] <Trfsrfr> sudo apt-get install gimp, or sudo apt-get gimp?
[23:03] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, sudo apt-get install gimp
[23:03] <Trfsrfr> kostkon - thank you. I tried the other one before. gimme a min.
[23:04] <pbx> Trfsrfr, that explains it. the latter command would have died immediately with 'Invalid operation gimp'
[23:04] <Trfsrfr> I got a warning about packages that cannot be authenticated. Install w/o verification?
[23:04] <pbx> i would
[23:05] <Trfsrfr> errors
[23:05] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, paste them on paste.ubuntu.com
[23:05] <kostkon> !paste
[23:06] <Trfsrfr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10777445/
[23:08] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, you are using an EOL release, an unsupported version of Ubuntu. That explains why you are not able to install gimp since the repositories for that release have been taken down, actually moved to old-releases.ubuntu,com
[23:08] <kostkon> !eol
[23:09] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, i would suggest upgrading to 14.04 LTS
[23:09] <Jervac> I just deleted about everything important on my computer
[23:09] <grio> So I think something just clicked: Installing via PPA means easier auto-updating, instead of manually updating each time with a .deb package... #epiphany
[23:10] <wafflejock> grio, that's true it also means you're trusting the package maintainer with whatever is in the compiled code and updates
[23:10] <Trfsrfr> Okay, that makes sense. I cant do it right now though. Can I still get the gimp from the old-releases, ubuntu.com
[23:11] <grio> wafflejock, had that thought, too. I guess it comes down to installing trustworthy PPAs, then?
[23:11] <kostkon> grio, try using only official projects ppas, definitely not from random people
[23:11] <wafflejock> grio, yup just be cautious don't add things from untrusted sources
[23:11] <grio> kostkon, exactly. No ppa:joeblow/gpg for me.
[23:12] <wafflejock> grio, anyone can pretty easily package up some software and setup a PPA and whatever they compiled in there is what you're getting so best to avoid unless you know/trust the source
[23:12] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, you would need to update your sources.list file to point to old-releases.ubuntu.com  some partial instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list
[23:12] <ryanbekhen> hello
[23:12] <grio> wafflejock, the revelation came from searching for a bitcoin PPA. I was looking for something that keeps it updated, but, you know, doesn't steal my wallet...
[23:13] <Trfsrfr> kostkon, pbx, thank you for your help
[23:13] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, np
[23:14] <wafflejock> grio, yeah ideal if you can look through the source for something and compile it yourself to be sure you know what's in there if you're seriously concerned about security, but requires that you can make sense of the code, can also use things like wireshark to see if an app is phoning home but filtering to figure that out can be difficult
[23:15] <wafflejock> grio, pretty sure canonical has a security team that goes through that kind of stuff for you which is why it's best to stay in the walled garden unless you know what you're dealing with
[23:16] <grio> wafflejock, I work in the VOIP field, so Wireshark and I are intimate. I don't add PPAs at random. I just had a moment's clarity after 6 months of using Ubuntu as my primary desktop.
[23:17] <wafflejock> grio, yeah can definitely be useful just always try to steer people away from them here since they're typically new users and won't be able to deal with the problems, intentional or not, that can come from adding a bunch of PPAs, also when you upgrade you have to deal with those sources possibly not being updated... there are pluses and minuses
[23:19] <kostkon> grio, but yeah the bitcoin client ppa is an "official" one https://bitcoin.org/en/download
[23:19] <grio> wafflejock, I'm guilty of doing that at the beginning when I was learning. Added a PPA that broke gnome hard, and since then, I'm cautious.
[23:21] <coffee-> PPA's?
[23:21] <coffee-> what does PPA stand for?
[23:21] <kostkon> !ppa
[23:21] <coffee-> oh ok thank yee :)
[23:22] <coffee-> !ppa-purge
[23:23] <monojin> !ubuntumate
[23:25] <kokut> Hello, is it possible to change my system's name without causing any trouble?
[23:28] <rkrzewski> kokut: sure, just edit /etc/hostname and reboot
[23:28] <kokut> rkrzewski: but will that cause any trouble..?
[23:28] <kokut> i dont have time atm to have trouble
[23:29] <rkrzewski> it shouldn't
[23:29] <rkrzewski> you can always edit the file again and restore original name
[23:33] <kris_pol> hey everybody. I`m seeking for common use programs running on terminal . currently using cmus, sap translator. any suggestions?
[23:35] <kris_pol> and lynx
[23:37] <Bashing-om> kokut: When you change /etc/hostname ; also make the same edit in /etc/hosts .
[23:37] <kokut> dunno man im a lil scared
[23:37] <ross_> how do you fix http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages  404
[23:38] <kokut> but i really need t change my hostname its a lil embarrasing and i take my computer to work every day and my coworkers probably think im stupid
[23:39] <Bashing-om> kokut: Not a big deal, no need of concern. See : http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/change-hostname-ubuntu1404/ .
[23:43] <zykotick9> !hostname | kokut
[23:49] <vince> hello anyone have experience with ubuntu and Configuring Gmail as a Sendmail email relay?
[23:50] <jnewt> i'm trying to create a boot image from a tarball.  i do mount /dev/sdb1 boot and then tar -xvf bbb.tar.gz -C boot/ an dget a bunch of "Cannot change ownership to uid, gid 1001", even if i run with sudo.  so, i setup the root password, and logged in as root, same problem. what could be the issue?
[23:51] <ikonia> jnewt: thats nothing to do with ubuntu
[23:52] <ikonia> vince: ubuntu doesn't use sendmail by default
[23:52] <jnewt> ikonia: thank you for the help.
[23:52] <ikonia> vince: you should be using postfix, and that can be configured to relay out of gmail
[23:54] <vince> ikonia, for some reason my ubuntu install has sendmail and not postfix, should I apt-get insta  postfix instead for easier process in setting up relay??
[23:54] <ikonia> vince: it's not a default ubuntu install then
[23:56] <ross_> Ahh Precise went end of life.
[23:57] <k1l_> no, precise is still in support
[23:57] <ross_> so
[23:58] <ross_> well 404 on this is usually what you get when a release has gone EOL http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages
[23:58] <ikonia> ross_: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/universe/binary-i386/
[23:58] <ikonia> it's there
[23:58] <ikonia> just compressed
[23:58] <k1l_> run a "sudo apt-get update"
[23:58] <ross_> apt-get update is what is yielding said error