[12:07] <flo> :-) rrrrrrrrrr
[12:07] <gatekeeper> om_ have a look at this but do NOT blindly do everything it says: http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2663/how-to_get_full
[12:08] <om_> it worked!!!! thanks!!!! my mp3s are back =) =)
[12:08] <edu> Hi
[12:09] <clintc> someone needs to properly license the multimedia stuff, call it the ubuntu plus pack and sell it for $19.95
[12:10] <antinobody> clintc that kind of goes against the basic principle behind ubuntu
[12:10] <clintc> but, everyone wants to play mp3, use flash and play dvds
[12:10] <crimsun> one's free to do that, but one would probably be ostracised
[12:10] <clintc> give them the option to do it legally
[12:11] <ArmedGeek> crimsun: why should one be ostracised for offering a product for money ?
[12:12] <antinobody> clintc I see your point, but someone outside canonical would have to do it, and offer it seperately
[12:12] <crimsun> ArmedGeek: I didn't say one /should/; I said one would probably
[12:12] <antinobody> clintc otherwise it counters the mission statement directly
[12:12] <clintc> antinobody: I understand, I hope someone does do it, they would make money for a valuable service
[12:13] <edu> Mhh, here is legal, but things look bad in the future.
[12:15] <silviu> hi
[12:16] <Raito> How come all my non-KDE apps are unaffected by Kmix (Supertux, Zsnes) While only Kaffeine and other KDE ones are?
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> They dont use artsd probably
[12:17] <Raito> What do I do to change the volume? It is way too loud
[12:18] <r0xz> Ratio: there a kmix icon in the systray, you can wheel the mouse over it to adjust the volume, or click it the set things like PCM too
[12:18] <om_> are there really good visualizations for amaroK?
[12:18] <r0xz> Raito: there a kmix icon in the systray, you can wheel the mouse over it to adjust the volume, or click it the set things like PCM too
[12:18] <r0xz> sorry
[12:19] <Raito> r0xz: non-KDE apps are unaffected by Kmix
[12:20] <r0xz> Raito: that would be a problem i have no solution for (i didn't even knew)
[12:20] <Raito> someone said something about ALSA or something
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> alsamixer from a terminal
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> to save the settings use sudo alsactl store
[12:22] <jaro> how can I find out what Monitor my Laptop has ??
[12:22] <edu> see the instruction booklet :-P
[12:22] <Raito> h3sp4wn: Would alsamixer-gui be good >_>
[12:23] <slow-motion> n8
[12:23] <jaro> and where would i find an instruction booklet ?=
[12:24] <Raito> Hmm: it works
[12:24] <Raito> somehow
[12:26] <silviu> does somebody know a dc client for linux?
[12:26] <silviu> (like dc++, odc, strongdc)
[12:27] <edu> jaro, your instruction booklet? i believe that it must be in the laptop's box hehehhe
[12:27] <silviu> I found valknut, but it seems to not be available for my ubuntu
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> Raito: I have never used it but probably
[12:28] <edu> Hey, jaro, perhaps if you have the windows drivers, you could know, or perhaps you could try an autodetection
[12:28] <edu> what system are you using now?
[12:28] <gybot> Hi i just trien to install kdegames and i got an error and i dont see them on the computer how can i fix it
[12:28] <|lostbyte|> gybot, error pls ?
[12:29] <gybot> ok
[12:30] <gybot> |lostbyte|: i need the paste bin link its huge
[12:31] <|lostbyte|> !pastebin
[12:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:32] <bam_> whats the best dvd ripper to use?
[12:33] <|lostbyte|> bam_, Which all you know ?
[12:33] <bam_> acidrip
[12:34] <jaro> I cant find any Name of the monitor
[12:34] <jaro> only that it is a 15'
[12:35] <KinGetana> damn, my handydandy pal just checked those zips, no wonder they didnt open, they were all wrecked, nothing could be done :S
[12:35] <|lostbyte|> jaro, look on the back of your monitor..
[12:36] <jaro> there is no back (laptop)
[12:36] <jaro> its just plain silver
[12:36] <jaro> cover
[12:36] <gybot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16484, |lostbyte| thats the link
[12:36] <|lostbyte|> jaro, Get on the website and locate your laptop using the serial no. and check the specs.
[12:37] <jaro> there is no model description given on that site
[12:38] <MasterEvilAce> I have Kubuntu installed, and i want to install windows XP so i can dual-boot. Not wanting to format, so i need a program to partition my HD to create an NTFS partition, and then i'll install XP. after that though, what is needed to get grub installed again so i can then dual-boot?
[12:38] <jaro> MasterEvilAce:  you would nee to run a boot-CD with linux, then reinstall grub
[12:39] <|lostbyte|> My isp's proxy is acting naughty again.. ARRRRg !
[12:39] <jaro> MasterEvilAce: run: ./grub  and in the grub-shell type: setup (hda) or something like it
[12:40] <edu> Jaro, didn't kubuntu autorecogniced your monitor?
[12:40] <jaro> edu: unfortunately not.. and when I try to autodetect , then the screen goes black
[12:41] <|lostbyte|> jaro, there is noting much to recognize.. all the autocheck does is set the hor and ver settings..
[12:42] <edu> mhhh
[12:42] <edu> jaro, in the xorg configuration
[12:43] <edu> you could try both kinds of screen, one eache time, in a live cd
[12:43] <edu> if it fails, just restart
[12:43] <jaro> what screen ?
[12:43] <gybot> |lostbyte|: you got the link right
[12:43] <|lostbyte|> gybot, do the update again..
[12:43] <|lostbyte|> i susually get that.. and the second time its clean..
[12:43] <jaro> right now i have another real monitor plugged in... and it works perfectly
[12:44] <|lostbyte|> jaro, Looks like you installed with the second monitor plugged in..
[12:45] <jaro> i didnt check with the second monitor.. so the config file is still valid for the LCD-Screen
[12:45] <|lostbyte|> jaro, Whats wrong with your LCD ?
[12:45] <jaro> i dont know
[12:45] <jaro> i guess if only the config would be right, then it might work
[12:46] <|lostbyte|> jaro, X does'nt start on it ?
[12:46] <jaro> but as long as i dont know the model of the LCD i cant configure properly
[12:46] <edu> you can choose betewen LCD or TFT, can't you? try one configuration and if it dosen't work, try another.
[12:46] <jaro> X works on the screen, but sometimes I get black screen.. for example whenever I log off
[12:46] <jaro> or sometimes when I use 3D-Graphics
[12:47] <jaro> this doesnt happen with the vesa - driver, but then , vesa doesnt support 3D
[12:47] <|lostbyte|> When you get the black screen... do ctrl+alt+f1        .. does some thing happen ?
[12:47] <jaro> no... thats another situation.. I cant jump to console, black screen then
[12:48] <edu> Oh, maybe is it a resolution problem?
[12:48] <edu> try the minimum safe resolution you know
[12:48] <edu> and test if it happens
[12:48] <|lostbyte|> jaro, COuld you check your xorg.conf log files for something suspecious.
[12:48] <jaro> nothing suspicious as far as i know
[12:48] <|lostbyte|> jaro, which Graphic card ?
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> jaro: What make of video card do you use ?
[12:49] <jaro> Via S3 Unichrome
[12:49] <|lostbyte|> jaro, thats a sis schipset right ?
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> Try disabling usplash
[12:49] <jaro> i dont know
[12:49] <|lostbyte|> jaro, lspci | grep -i vga
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> Its via not SiS
[12:49] <jaro> ok wait
[12:50] <jaro> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video (rev 01)
[12:50] <|lostbyte|> jaro, Thats a bad card..
[12:51] <jaro> I KNOW :(
[12:51] <|lostbyte|> i have that card on my amd built in right now.
[12:51] <jaro> but i have to deal with it
[12:51] <|lostbyte|> card/chip*
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> Disabling usplash often helps with the shutdown problem
[12:52] <edu> even if it is a bad card, we aren't going anywhere saying that lol
[12:52] <jaro> where can i disable usplash ?
[12:52] <h3sp4wn> (try removing usplash from the kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.list)
[12:52] <crimsun> [meaning "splash"]
[12:53] <jaro> cant find any bootsplash
[12:53] <jaro> its only the standard kubuntu splash...
[12:54] <edu> Hey, talking about video cards... i have a problem with the open GL apis or something like
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Pastebin the file and I will tell you what to do
[12:54] <jaro> i was hoping for a graphical configuration utility for Xorg
[12:55] <jaro> ok
[12:57] <jaro> arg, I cant select any text in Vi
[12:57] <jaro> :(
[12:57] <gybot> |lostbyte|: i have this error everytime i try to apt-get  something. the link~~>http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16486
[12:59] <|lostbyte|> jaro, kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:59] <jaro> oh kate
[12:59] <jaro> sure
[12:59] <jaro> thx
[01:00] <|lostbyte|> Be carefull with that file..
[01:00] <mark---> is there an apt-get reinstall command to reinstall my entire X0rg video handling? I just upgraded from breezy to dapper on a Mac notebook and it worked for a few days then went to 680x480 and lost the anti-aliasing.
[01:01] <LjL> mark---: have you tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[01:01] <mark---> thanks...
[01:03] <edu> does anybody got an ATI 9200 SE?
[01:03] <jaro> pastebin is pretty slow
[01:04] <Ertain> Has anyone gotten Xgl to work in Kubuntu?  I've tried the ubuntu.com how-to, but that doesn't work.  Actually, I think I was able to get Xgl up and running, but when I run kompmgr, it says that it can't find a composite extension.
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> edu: No but you should not try to fglrx or you will have problems
[01:04] <Raven301> jaro: try pastebin.ca
[01:05] <gybot> IT SEEMS THAT MY CAPS BUTTON IS LOCKED I CAN'T FIX IT
[01:05] <phil_> I cannot get java running with kubuntu
[01:05] <edu> yup
[01:05] <edu> but i've earned graphic acceleration, ertain
[01:06] <gybot> phil_: i had that problem once i can help
[01:06] <jaro> http://pastebin.ca/71605
[01:06] <edu> it says in the log "dri inicialization succesfu" (sorry for my little English)
[01:06] <phil_> how
[01:06] <Ertain> That's good, edu.  But I'm using a nVidia card.
[01:06] <edu> however, when i try to load an open gl app
[01:06] <edu> it crashes
[01:06] <edu> and says
[01:06] <edu> "api error..." etc
[01:07] <edu> and a lot of messages like that
[01:07] <gybot> phil_: DO AS THIS SAYS TELL ME WHEN YOU ARE DONE
[01:07] <edu> it's awful! i installed kubuntu hoping to try xgl, and i'm here without a decent driver :(
[01:07] <gybot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> edu: what does 'glxinfo' say ?
[01:07] <edu> glxinfo says that, the same error
[01:07] <edu> now i'm using "ati" open driver
[01:08] <edu> so there's no errror, but it's slow
[01:08] <edu> it uses indirect rendering
[01:08] <jaro> how sucky.. only root can mount USB-Devices
[01:08] <edu> could the ati driver do direct rendering?
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> For your card yes
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> (try changing the driver to radeon instead of ati
[01:09] <nixternal> h3sp4wn: shouldn't it be fglrx instead of ati?
[01:09] <edu> aha
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Not on a 9200SE
[01:09] <edu> so i go to the xorg.conf
[01:09] <edu> and select radeon?
[01:09] <jaro> .-)
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Yes
[01:09] <edu> not on a 9200SE? :-S
[01:10] <edu> isn't it supported?
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> (I was talking to nixternal then
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> You want radeon
[01:10] <nixternal> ahhh....i didn't scroll up and read ;)
[01:10] <jaro> anything new with the xorg.conf ??
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> edu: also try running dpkg-divert --list
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> edu: Look for any references to fglrx
[01:11] <unix_infidel> could anyone here recommend a sound mixer that has given them the least amount of trouble with the most amount of uptime.
[01:11] <unix_infidel> NOT artsd
[01:11] <edu> ah
[01:11] <crimsun> unix_infidel: why not just use alsa-lib's built-in (asym [dmix+dsnoop] )?
[01:12] <unix_infidel> crimsun: because it doesnt work for all apps.
[01:12] <edu> radeon is installed in the default installation, isn't it?
[01:12] <gybot> WHAT DOES THE WINDOWS KEY DO ON LINUX COMPUTERS
[01:12] <unix_infidel> crimsun: doesnt dmix come enabled by default?
[01:12] <crimsun> unix_infidel: yes
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> edu: Yes (its part of the ati one)
[01:12] <crimsun> unix_infidel: (yes, it's only valid for native alsa apps)
[01:12] <edu> gybot, you must configurate it, go to system preferences
[01:12] <edu> ok
[01:12] <edu> i'm trying in a minutes
[01:12] <unix_infidel> crimsun: so you see my point, it doesnt work for all apps.
[01:13] <crimsun> unix_infidel: no other daemon mixing solution is any better.
[01:13] <gybot> OK
[01:13] <jaro> hello ?
[01:13] <edu> (i'm talking with ppl on kopete, y'know)
[01:13] <gybot> SORRY FOR CAPS I CANT FIX IT
[01:13] <unix_infidel> crimsun: what do you mean?
[01:13] <jaro> did anybody look on the xorg.conf i posted ? http://pastebin.ca/71605
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> jaro: I was expecting /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:14] <jaro> oh ok wait
[01:14] <crimsun> unix_infidel: there is no daemon mixing solution that covers all bases.
[01:14] <edu> i'll be back
[01:14] <crimsun> unix_infidel: esound and arts come the closest due to historical coverage
[01:14] <unix_infidel> crimsun: what about jackd?
[01:14] <unix_infidel> or polypaudio.
[01:14] <crimsun> unix_infidel: jack is not designed to mix
[01:15] <gybot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16486 CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH THIS ERROR
[01:15] <crimsun> unix_infidel: polypaudio (recently renamed to something else) deprecates esound
[01:15] <jaro> http://pastebin.ca/71611
[01:15] <jaro> here it is
[01:15] <gybot> !PASTEBIN
[01:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:16] <crimsun> unix_infidel: the fact that jack /happens/ to provide some sort of mixing solution is coincidental; its original design is for professional audio with multitracking
[01:16] <unix_infidel> crimsun: all i'm looking for is an effective solution.
[01:16] <Jaspers> plz, is there any site with a kubuntu guide for dapper - 6.06 LTS??
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Remove the word splash from line 85 and run sudo update-grub
[01:16] <unix_infidel> whether its designed to comb my hair in the morning and provide sound mixing at the same time is moot
[01:16] <crimsun> unix_infidel: if you don't wish to replace your sound hardware, the least invasive one is plain ole alsa-lib.
[01:16] <unix_infidel> crimsun: heh, well that's enabled by default...and i'm running default.
[01:17] <unix_infidel> but i'd like to get audacious and videos in flash to be able to mix effectively and use the sound device at the same time.
[01:17] <edu> hey, guys!
[01:17] <edu> it works smother now!
[01:17] <crimsun> unix_infidel: tell audacious to use the alsa "default" virtual device, and wrap the Web browser with alsa-oss's aoss
[01:17] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  I also have to use the option vga=771  to get a good screen
[01:17] <edu> but stills quite slow...
[01:17] <edu> any ideas
[01:18] <gybot> ANYONE HELP http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16486
[01:18] <edu> i'm posting glxgears results, wait a second
[01:18] <crimsun> unix_infidel: ...or get an audigy 2 zs or something and forget the whole mess.
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> edu: glxinfo (do you still get direct rendering no)
[01:18] <unix_infidel> crimsun: how would i tell the browser to use alsa with alsa-oss
[01:18] <crimsun> unix_infidel: which browser do you use?
[01:18] <unix_infidel> firefox
[01:18] <edu> wait a second
[01:19] <crimsun> unix_infidel: install alsa-oss from universe, then invoke ``aoss firefox''
[01:19] <edu> direct rendering: No whooooooooops
[01:19] <edu> what shal i do now?
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> edu: pastebin dpkg-divert --list
[01:19] <unix_infidel> crimsun: i'd need to do that on every execution of firefox?
[01:19] <edu> ok
[01:19] <crimsun> unix_infidel: yes.
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> edu: pastebin.ca is probably fastest at the moment
[01:20] <crimsun> unix_infidel: (or change the launcher/shortcut/whatever)
[01:20] <unix_infidel> crimsun: so alias it?
[01:20] <gybot> BRB
[01:20] <jaro> ok I did what you said.. what now ??
[01:20] <jaro> h3sp4wn: ...
[01:21] <pascal_> h3sp4wn you if eft is ready for testing yes?
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Don't use the vga= line either or use vga=normal
[01:21] <pascal_> *yet
[01:21] <bam_> anyon eknow how to show "home" and "trash" on desktop?
[01:21] <edu> hey
[01:21] <jaro> h3sp4wn: ok , but then I get confused lines while booting
[01:21] <edu> how can i use pastebin service?
[01:21] <edu> oh
[01:21] <edu> i see
[01:21] <edu> in the upper bar
[01:23] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  do I have to reboot now ??
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Is the word splash not after every line in /boot/grub/menu.lst now
[01:24] <edu> pastebin says "too many connections"
[01:24] <edu> i'll wait
[01:24] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  i removed the splash in the line you specified
[01:24] <jaro> edu: use pastebin.ca
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> jaro: and you ran sudo update-grub ?
[01:25] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  yes
[01:25] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  it updated
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Well is splash after all the kernel lines at the bottom of the file or not ?
[01:27] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  no splash anymore
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Try it now then
[01:28] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  try what ? reboot ?
[01:28] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  ok wait
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> jaro: If not the reason may be because of the vga=
[01:28] <edu> oh, ok jaro
[01:29] <jaro> ok.. cu
[01:29] <jaro> in a min
[01:30] <edu> hey, here's my pastebin
[01:30] <edu> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/71620
[01:31] <edu> what do you think, h3sp4wn?
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> edu: I think fglrx has broken mesa
[01:33] <edu> perhaps i should try in the live cd?
[01:33] <edu> what's the root password for dapper live?
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> edu: try sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[01:33] <edu> hey, h3sp4wn, but fglrx still installed
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> edu: sudo apt-get remove fglrx then
[01:34] <edu> ok
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> edu: then - dpkg-divert --list (and check to see that they are gone)
[01:35] <edu> in process
[01:35] <edu> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1' with
[01:35] <edu>   different file `/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', not allowed
[01:36] <edu> my God, it happened... i must do a mv somethingidontremember, i saw it in ubuntu forums, because it happened to me previously
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> edu: sudo mv /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[01:37] <jaro> re
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> ack
[01:37] <edu> hey, thanks! you're a real pro ;-)
[01:37] <edu> what mean's mv, move, like cut?
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> move
[01:38] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  no change.. when I switched to Ctrl-Alt -F1.. screen went black
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> jaro: I don't use your specific card - Disabling that helps my ati to shutdown properly more often
[01:39] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  i have no choice.. it is onboard. i cant change it
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> jaro: And you have no agp / pci express slot ?
[01:40] <jaro> laptop
[01:40] <KinGetana> what was the kill command again?
[01:40] <edu> yep, but laptop also integrate one of those ports!
[01:40] <KinGetana> my vlc flipped
[01:41] <edu> h3sp4wn, shal i restart x server and see what happens? if i earn direct acceleration
[01:41] <driz> hello
[01:42] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  so what can i Do ??  the thing is.. with a real monitor there is no such problem, so i thought it might the monitor.. but I wasnt able to find anything similar in the internet. seems i am the only one having this problem
[01:44] <jaro> :(
[01:44] <jaro> if only .. if only. this would work
[01:45] <Raito> What is the default rom path for Xmame? I can't seem to change it and the default path is blanked so I don't know what it is.
[01:46] <jaro> ok. ill try monitor autodetection..
[01:46] <mark---> LjL: thanks, that got it. No tellin' what caused the messup as I'd not been fooling around with xserver-xorg.
[01:46] <jaro> i might have to reboot after that
[01:46] <driz> is there a french Kubuntu IRC channel
[01:46] <driz> ?
[01:46] <OdyX> sure dnz
[01:47] <OdyX> see #kubuntu-fr
[01:47] <LjL> mark---: perhaps you used the KDE X settings or something, and that messed up xorg.conf
[01:47] <OdyX> driz: but there is not much people...
[01:47] <driz> ya
[01:47] <jmichaelx> i have four computers connected to a router, all four computers are usually running x/k/ubuntu (although OCCASIONALLY one may be running XP)... and i am wanting all four computers to share one printer. could someone direct me to a wiki or a forum where there would be instructions for this?? i found a wiki with instructions for breezy. would those still apply to dapper?
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Does the router have a usb or parallel port ?
[01:49] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: no, the printer is connected to one of the computers
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I would recommend a router or print server with a usb (then you don't have to have a specific computer on all the time)
[01:51] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i have thought about doing that, but surely there is a way to do it without such a router
[01:51] <edu> hey h3sp4wn
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> edu: Hello
[01:51] <edu> it didn't work
[01:51] <edu> but i only restarted the x server
[01:51] <edu> have i to restart the whole system?
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> edu: Are the diverts still listed at the output of dpkg-divert --list ?
[01:52] <jaro> ;////////////////
[01:52] <jaro> I heard there was better X-Configuration in Dapper ..  where would that be ??
[01:52] <edu> wait
[01:52] <edu> i'll do a pastebin
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I don't like the way ubuntu has implimented cups (its hacked version)
[01:54] <Hawkwind> jaro: Do you mean: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:54] <jaro> Hawkwind:  no . that is not of much use
[01:54] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i can sort of see why
[01:54] <driz> sorry a bit off topic but does anyone here listen to "the linux link talk show"?
[01:55] <jaro> any idea how i can find out the model of the LCD .. with the Acer Aspire 1350 Laptop ?
[01:56] <Hawkwind> jaro: Google should tell you I would think
[01:56] <Hawkwind> jaro: Atleast Acer's site would
[01:56] <jaro> i wish
[01:57] <jaro> cant find anything
[01:58] <Hawkwind> 312T LCD model for the Acer Aspire 1350 Laptop
[01:58] <jaro> how did you know ?
[01:58] <Hawkwind> First hit on google told me
[01:58] <jaro> so what name would that be ? :  Aspire 313T
[01:58] <jaro> what did you search for ?
[01:59] <Hawkwind> Acer Aspire 1350 LCD Model
[01:59] <Hawkwind> It's mentioned in the first 10 or so results
[02:01] <Hawkwind> I have installed lm-sensors and when I type sensors-detect I get the following:  No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. I've just recently switched from Mandriva to Kubuntu and sensors worked perfectly fine in Mandriva.  What am I doing wrong or needing to do differently to get them working in Kubuntu ?
[02:01] <edu> h3sp4wn
[02:01] <edu> http://pastebin.ca/71643
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> edu: Try adding - radeon to /etc/modules (on a new line by itself)
[02:03] <jaro> Hawkwind:  are you sure ?? i still cant see it
[02:03] <edu> ah
[02:03] <edu> i had fglrx in that file :P
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> edu: That would make sense
[02:04] <edu> it will need a complete restart?
[02:04] <edu> can i iniciate modules without reboot?
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> yes (fglrx will probably crash if you try to remove it without a reboot)
[02:04] <jaro> modprobe
[02:05] <Hawkwind> Does the linux-686 kernel in Kubuntu come with the appropriate modules for lm-sensors ?
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> edu: You could try sudo rmmod fglrx && sudo modprobe radeon then restart X
[02:05] <edu> ok
[02:05] <bam_> laptop issues?
[02:05] <jaro> yes
[02:06] <bam_> with dapper, I suppose
[02:06] <jaro> I can only chose from : Acer Aspire 33s  to Acer Aspire 77s
[02:07] <jaro> no such model here as you said
[02:07] <bam_> hmm, I went back to breezy...works just fine
[02:08] <edu> h3sp4wn!!
[02:09] <edu> thanks a lot!! it works!!
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> edu: No problem
[02:09] <edu> now i'll have a decent speed
[02:09] <driz> can anyone help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16486
[02:09] <jmichaelx> man, i don't know what just happened, but i just had to manually sut this laptop off... it got all bogged down to the point that i could barely even move the cursor
[02:09] <edu> you're great, and i've learnt with  you some cool stuff!
[02:10] <crimsun> driz: there's nothing noticeably broken there.
[02:11] <driz> the error that reads
[02:11] <driz> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[02:11] <driz>    Major opcode:  144
[02:11] <crimsun> driz: I presume you backgrounded a KDE app before you ran apt-get/aptitude?
[02:11] <driz>    Minor opcode:  3
[02:11] <driz>    Resource id:  0x0
[02:11] <driz>  Failed to open device
[02:11] <Hawkwind> driz: Use pastebin please
[02:11] <driz> sorry
[02:11] <crimsun> driz: without more context, it's impossible to tell what that's caused by
[02:11] <edu> well, i have to go, thanks again, h3sp4wn
[02:11] <closure> hello everyone
[02:11] <driz> oh ok crimsun
[02:11] <closure> long time no come around
[02:12] <closure> i am curious if someone could tell me if it is possible to install a new version of kubuntu over an old version without losing my files/disrupting anything WTIHOUT network access
[02:12] <Hawkwind> Anyone know what it takes to get lm-sensors working in Dapper by chance ?  sensors-detect just gives me an error.  This worked perfectly in Mandriva 2 days ago but nothing seems to work concerning lm-sensors here in Kubuntu
[02:12] <crimsun> closure: sure, just dist-upgrade using a cd.
[02:13] <closure> yah see that's the other problem
[02:13] <closure> the i never did get the cdrom to mount
[02:13] <closure> >8-/
[02:13] <closure> it installed from a cd
[02:13] <closure> but it's never been there since
[02:13] <closure> *shrugs*
[02:13] <crimsun> do you have a usb thumbdrive of about 1.0 GB?
[02:13] <closure> i'm no linux pro by any means >8-( so i just never bothered
[02:14] <closure> i think so somewhere
[02:14] <closure> but i'm not possitive usb works on the comp etiher
[02:14] <closure> it's a very old gateway laptop
[02:14] <closure> not much is supported
[02:14] <crimsun> I hope it has a pcmcia/cardbus slot
[02:14] <closure> i have a pcmcia wifi card and a usb wifi support
[02:14] <closure> yeah it does
[02:15] <closure> but i can't get either of the wifi to work
[02:15] <crimsun> does the wifi card work in breezy?
[02:15] <jaro> i dont know what to do
[02:15] <crimsun> even with ndiswrapper?
[02:15] <closure> i do not think i have breezy
[02:15] <jaro> i cant find the right model
[02:15] <closure> i'm fairly sure i have the ver before that
[02:15] <crimsun> closure: lsb_release -r
[02:15] <closure> hold
[02:15] <closure> let me boot the lap again
[02:15] <closure> should've done this before
[02:16] <Hawkwind> Anyone happen to know what this means:  No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them.
[02:16] <closure> ok give it a sec takes a couple minutes to boot up >8-)
[02:16] <klerfayt> amarok says libvisual isn't installed but I installed them
[02:16] <Hawkwind> I really need/want to get lm-sensors working here in Kubuntu
[02:17] <closure> does the new kubuntu still say "booting ubuntu kernel"
[02:17] <closure> cause that's how classic this lap is
[02:18] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Check the bot's factoid?
[02:18] <MehAdult> I got mine working fine :)
[02:18] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: Nothing in the bot
[02:18] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: How ?
[02:18] <MehAdult> !lm-sensors
[02:18] <ubotu> I know nothing about lm-sensors
[02:18] <MehAdult> Sheesh
[02:18] <MehAdult> Uhh
[02:19] <MehAdult> It was a page on the wiki
[02:19] <MehAdult> It's way different from Mnadriva
[02:19] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: I run sensors-detect and I get the above message
[02:20] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: Nothing on the wiki either it seems
[02:20] <closure> crimsun i have 5.04
[02:20] <Towering> totally new to this, how can i enable ident to connect to efnet?
[02:20] <MehAdult> I'm not in X now
[02:20] <MehAdult> So I can't help ya right yet
[02:20] <MehAdult> Lemme boot to X and find it
[02:21] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: would i be able to set up this computer as a printing server by changing /etc/cups/cups.d/browse.conf?
[02:22] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Go to the Ubuntu wiki and search for sensor
[02:22] <MehAdult> That'll pull it up
[02:22] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: I did
[02:22] <MehAdult> It's the first result
[02:22] <Hawkwind> Nothing comes up
[02:22] <MehAdult> You get 2 choices
[02:22] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: changing Browsing from off to 'on'?
[02:22] <MehAdult> Here I'll type the URL from memory
[02:22] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: Ahhh, I searched for sensors first
[02:23] <MehAdult> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowTo
[02:23] <MehAdult> Try that
[02:23] <Hawkwind> I got it already :P
[02:23] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I don't use cups
[02:23] <MehAdult> :p
[02:23] <jaro> arg.. which Monitor ????
[02:24] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: what do you use?
[02:24] <jaro> lm554 ?
[02:24] <jaro> 77s ?
[02:24] <jaro> 77is?
[02:24] <jaro> 33s
[02:24] <jaro> 34TS ?
[02:24] <jaro> XY ?
[02:24] <jmichaelx> i am sure there must be some documentation somewhere for setting a computer up as a printing server, but i sure as heck am not finding it lol
[02:24] <MehAdult> jaro: You can quit being annoying :p
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Lp on a very old hp laserjet
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: lp
[02:25] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i am using a very old HP deskjet
[02:25] <jmichaelx> most everything i use is very old lol
[02:25] <MehAdult> jmichaelx: Which kind? That can make a difference
[02:25] <jmichaelx> i still think P3s running at 500Mhz rock :-
[02:26] <jmichaelx> :-D
[02:26] <jmichaelx> MehAdult: the printer works just fine, i just want to be able to use this printer with any PC on my home network
[02:26] <MehAdult> I really want to get a new Conroe processor when it comes out but I don't have the money.
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: You could use samba to share the printer maybe then
[02:26] <MehAdult> jmichaelx: Ah never done it.
[02:27] <Towering> how can you update repositories for kubuntu? the website doesn't have that part complete
[02:27] <jmichaelx> MehAdult: you would sure think there would be some documentation on this lol. this kind of thing is what linux/unix are [supposed]  to be for
[02:28] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i guess i will have to look into sambe... i thought this was going to be an easy thing, but i guess not
[02:28] <jmichaelx> samba*
[02:30] <WinXpert> the samba 3 how-to has a huge chapter on CUPS
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> But ubuntu's cups is not standard
[02:31] <jmichaelx> WinXpert: i will have to look at it, although i was hoping to not have to read a huge chapter just to use a printer on a home network
[02:32] <jmichaelx> this is the kind of thing that should not be quite this complicated
[02:32] <fishsticks> hey, i just installed kubuntu, and i have to say i am digging it compared to gnome =)
[02:32] <WinXpert> clasical printing support here http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/classicalprinting.html
[02:33] <jmichaelx> kde is way nicer than gnome, especially if you like to customize
[02:33] <jmichaelx> i have never really liked gnome
[02:33] <Towering> i dunno... i'm a first time cross-over, haven't looked at ubuntu yet
[02:33] <WinXpert> use kubuntu then
[02:33] <Towering> going through linux os's to see which i like
[02:33] <mrfishhat> try out fedora core
[02:33] <Towering> Linspire was my first, now it's kubuntu, next would be ubuntu
[02:33] <mrfishhat> its my 2nd fave
[02:34] <WinXpert> towering try xandros 3.0
[02:34] <WinXpert> or wait for 4 oce
[02:34] <gemidjy> Is the "Align to Grid" for the KDE Desktop turned off in Dapper by purpose or it is broken ?
[02:34] <Towering> heard of xandros, didn't appeal to me
[02:34] <jmichaelx> mrfishhat: i am thinking of putting fedora on one of my PCs when core 6 comes out, but man i sure hear a lot of complaints about fedora
[02:35] <WinXpert> until you give it a try you cant tell ..
[02:36] <Towering> i just want something simple
[02:36] <jmichaelx> mrfishhat: i am not a registered user so i can't respond to your private messages
[02:36] <gemidjy> so it is bug, damn it, Kubuntu bug, not kde
[02:36] <WinXpert> i have tried many distros it is a good entry to the linux world
[02:37] <jmichaelx> i think k/ubuntu is an excellent intro, too... i had never used linux until about 2 months ago
[02:37] <Towering> is there a way to back up dvd's on kubuntu yet?
[02:37] <mrfishhat> k9copy
[02:37] <gemidjy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128024 bug
[02:37] <bobstro> gemidjy:  hmm. it's working here.
[02:37] <Towering> can't get my sound to work though..
[02:38] <bobstro> Towering:  are you getting errors, or just no sound.
[02:38] <Towering> no sound
[02:38] <Towering> it's a sound blaster live card, with 5.1 surround
[02:38] <jmichaelx> Towering: you looked at the mixeR?
[02:38] <jmichaelx> mixer*
[02:39] <Towering> oh duh
[02:39] <Towering> was on soundboard
[02:39] <driz> I cant get album arts on Amarok
[02:39] <driz> ?
[02:39] <Towering> i should have known that from Linspire.. sheesh
[02:39] <jmichaelx> lol
[02:42] <RadiantFire> can someone assist me with my knetworkmanager problem?
[02:43] <mrfishhat> sure whats wrong?
[02:43] <Towering> hmmmm
[02:43] <Towering> amaroK still isn't giving sound
[02:43] <RadiantFire> well, when I try to set with knetworkmanager, it stops at configuring interface
[02:43] <RadiantFire> it doesn't set the essid of my wireless
[02:43] <RadiantFire> if I go to a terminal and set the essid with iwconfig, it continues on
[02:43] <RadiantFire> otherwise it just tanks
[02:44] <mrfishhat> why not just use the terminal?
[02:44] <RadiantFire> because clicking on knetworkmanager is easier than opening konsole and typing 4 commands
[02:44] <RadiantFire> this is one of those things that I can do but shouldn't have 2
[02:45] <mrfishhat> well
[02:45] <mrfishhat> when my systemsettings is screwin up
[02:46] <mrfishhat> i just kdesu systemsettings
[02:46] <RadiantFire> its wierd though, cuz both iwconfig essid and dhclient are priveledged operations
[02:46] <RadiantFire> yet iwconfig fails, while dhclient goes through correctly
[02:46] <RadiantFire> knetworkmanager does dhcp just fine after I manually set essid
[02:48] <RadiantFire> oh well...
[02:48] <Towering> SB 5.1 with 5.1 speakers, yet no sound from amaroK
[02:49] <RadiantFire> Towering: what are you trying to play?
[02:49] <Organized_Chaos> anyone here know what i can do about gam_server taking up 70%+ cpu? i've got the latest version and everytime i kill the process it comes back instantly.
[02:50] <Towering> right now, some radio station
[02:50] <Steven_M> hi all
[02:51] <Steven_M> what comand would I use to reconfigure gtk+?
[02:51] <Steven_M> *command
[02:52] <Towering> through amaroK
[02:52] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> does anypne know how this error can be fixed? :(firefox-bin:27205): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtengine",
[02:52] <TechHut> hi everyone
[02:53] <crimsun> closure: right, 5.04 is Hoary
[02:53] <Steven_M> hi TechHut
[02:53] <crimsun> closure: it's recommended to dist-upgrade to Breezy (5.10) before dist-upgrading to Dapper (6.06 LTS), but that's up to you.
[02:54] <TechHut> what I do is make a seperate partition for /home, and just completely reinstall
[02:56] <Hawkwind> I'm having some problems here.  I just rebooted my system and now normal user can't startx.  It just keeps taking me back to the GUI login
[02:56] <Steven_M> bye all
[02:56] <Hawkwind> If I login to a terminal, it tells me: bash: /dev/null Permission Denied
[02:56] <TechHut> bye
[02:56] <mrfinch> hey there, n00b in need of some help!
[02:56] <TechHut> what is your problem?
[02:56] <zblach> hi. i broke sound on my laptop. how can I fix it?
[02:56] <Hawkwind> My root user acn start X just fine without a problem
[02:56] <closure> crimsun how would i go about doing that
[02:56] <MehAdult> mrfinch: Say it don't spray it.
[02:56] <mrfinch> i do "modprobe ndiswrapper" and i get told "ndiswrapper.ko" doesn't exist,
[02:56] <closure> perhaps you can help me get my cd rom to mount
[02:56] <crimsun> zblach: could you describe that more precisely?
[02:56] <Hawkwind> Anyone know what I can try to do to fix this ?
[02:57] <closure> well actually it's a dvdrom
[02:57] <MehAdult> mrfinch: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper should install it for you
[02:57] <zblach> crimsun: no sound from nothing. i'm not sure what I can say to be more specific
[02:57] <crimsun> closure: does the kernel not recognise your optical drive at all? (from ``dmesg'')
[02:57] <mrfinch> that tells me "ndiswrapper cannot be found"
[02:57] <zblach> my sound server seems to be working, kcontrol says, but i'm getting nothing
[02:57] <closure> should i run dmesg and see if it's there?
[02:57] <crimsun> zblach: pastebin ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[02:58] <closure> crimsun i don't guess i really know how to find it.
[02:58] <Hawkwind> Can anyone help me please ?
[02:58] <closure> cdrom: open failed
[02:58] <closure> is the response
[02:58] <MehAdult> mrfinch: So install it with apt get. I told you how
[02:58] <MehAdult> *apt-get
[02:58] <closure> but it says "uniform cd-rom driver revision: 3.20 before that
[02:59] <mrfinch> and i told you what i get in return
[02:59] <crimsun> closure: pastebin ``dmesg''
[02:59] <MehAdult> Oh.
[02:59] <MehAdult> !respository
[02:59] <fishsticks> how do i get programs to start at login in kde?
[02:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about respository
[02:59] <MehAdult> :|
[02:59] <fishsticks> !repository
[02:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about repository
[02:59] <Towering> hey, you're not the only one
[02:59] <fishsticks> weird
[02:59] <Towering> i'm just as new too
[02:59] <Hawkwind> Anyone ?
[03:00] <Towering> !repository
[03:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about repository
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> !repos
[03:00] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:00] <closure> i can't paste it
[03:00] <MehAdult> h3sp4wn: Thanks :)
[03:00] <closure> i'm not on that laptop
[03:00] <MehAdult> mrfinch: Read what ubotu just posted
[03:00] <closure> it doesn't connect to wifi cause it won't recognize my usb wifi thing
[03:00] <MehAdult> You'll need to add online sources.
[03:00] <crimsun> dmesg > somefile.txt, then sneakernet somefile.txt to a computer w/ viable network access
[03:01] <closure> i have no viable network access
[03:01] <closure> that's the problem heh
[03:01] <mrfinch> yeah i read a page and have "universe" enabled and all that
[03:01] <closure> all i want to do is get my files off and fresh install this app
[03:01] <closure> err lap
[03:01] <closure> but i can't get it to work
[03:01] <Hawkwind> Can someone please help me getting X to start as normal user again ??
[03:01] <Hawkwind> I just rebooted and now it only starts as root user
[03:01] <closure> it recognizes my wireless network but i can't get it to update the ip
[03:01] <MehAdult> mrfinch: sudo apt-get update
[03:01] <closure> so it won't connect to anything
[03:01] <mrfinch> will do
[03:02] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Error message?
[03:02] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: Read above
[03:02] <Hawkwind> I've posted it already
[03:02] <MehAdult> Meanie :p
[03:02] <MehAdult> Wow that's weird Hawk.
[03:02] <zblach> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16494
[03:02] <Hawkwind> I can log into a terminal from the GUI login, and when I do I get tons of:  -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied
[03:02] <MehAdult> I was thinking it was some kind of ~/.file
[03:03] <closure> KWifiManager sees it
[03:03] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Have any ideas here ??
[03:03] <closure> and has excellent strength but won't connect
[03:03] <closure> (this is using the pcmcia wifi adapter)
[03:03] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Did you post a pastebin of the error?
[03:03] <zblach> closure: were you using ndiswrapper before?
[03:03] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: That IS the error
[03:03] <mrfinch> kk did that .. apt-get still cannot find ndis
[03:03] <crimsun> zblach: do you have an HDA chipset?
[03:03] <Hawkwind> How many times should I repeate myself
[03:03] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: There might be more to it.
[03:03] <closure> zblach no i've never run wifi on this lap
[03:03] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: That's all I get
[03:03] <closure> i use to have an ethernet adapter but it broke
[03:04] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Did you startx > log.txt or whatever to be sure? Just checking.
[03:04] <crimsun> Hawkwind: I've not been following your situation since I wasn't addressed; give me a sec to read scrollback, please.
[03:04] <Hawkwind> The problem is, why can root start X but user can't
[03:04] <closure> i'm not spending 30 bucks to get another one so i'm trying to get it to go wireless
[03:04] <closure> i'm fairly certain the new kubuntu would have support for my usb wifi adapter
[03:05] <zblach> closure: wifi support on dapper is dodgy, at best
[03:05] <zblach> my laptop works okay, but my wireless desky won't take to it
[03:05] <closure> >8-/
[03:05] <crimsun> Hawkwind: probably a permissions problem. What's owned by root in ~/. ?
[03:05] <zblach> seems i need to download ndiswrapper so I can connect to the internet to download ndiswrapper
[03:06] <zblach> *shrugs* breezy it is
[03:06] <Healot> not if you have a FSF recommended wifi controller
[03:06] <driz> !kubuntu
[03:06] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <crimsun> zblach: not sure if you answered the latest query
[03:07] <zblach> crimsun: missed it, sorry
[03:07] <zblach> hda chipset?
[03:07] <zblach> i have no idea. i've had it two weeks. i don't know much about it yet
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> closure: What wireless chipset does the usb wifi adapter have ?
[03:08] <driz> !java
[03:08] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:08] <crimsun> zblach: ``cat /proc/asound/cards && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''
[03:08] <zblach> crimsun: but it seems that; 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> wifi on dapper is pretty reliable if you avoid network-manager
[03:08] <crimsun> yeah, that's HDA
[03:08] <driz> !macromedia flash
[03:08] <ubotu> I know nothing about macromedia flash
[03:08] <zblach> ...yeah. high definition audio becomes HDA. i see that
[03:08] <MehAdult> !flash
[03:08] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:08] <zblach> driz: you can cedega it up till MX
[03:08] <driz> thank you
[03:09] <MehAdult> driz: Welcome :)
[03:09] <zblach> crimsun: recommendations?
[03:09] <driz> zblach: what is cedega?
[03:09] <crimsun> zblach: I still need the output that I requested.
[03:09] <zblach> if I have HDA?
[03:09] <zblach> oh, right. i'm out of it today. sorry
[03:10] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd>  does anypne know how this error can be fixed? :(firefox-bin:27205): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtengine",
[03:10] <Hawkwind> crimsun: You mean ls -la in the root ~/ ?
[03:10] <crimsun> Hawkwind: no, your non-privileged user
[03:10] <Towering> no yahoo messenger support i see
[03:11] <Hawkwind> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root<PHONE_NUMBER>-06-24 00:26 .fonts.cache-1
[03:11] <Hawkwind> crimsun: That's the only one
[03:11] <zblach> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16495
[03:11] <Hawkwind> crimsun: That's probably my problem ?
[03:12] <zblach> driz: cedega is a windows in a nutshell. it's an emulator of sorts
[03:12] <crimsun> Hawkwind: remove it and see what occurs?
[03:12] <driz> ok
[03:13] <crimsun> zblach: you must have a Conexant codec
[03:14] <crimsun> zblach: meaning you're out of luck until someone figures out the gpio routing
[03:14] <zblach> crimsun: :S
[03:14] <zblach> it was working swell earlier
[03:14] <zblach> conexant codec?
[03:14] <crimsun> zblach: "earlier" meaning in Breezy, or...?
[03:15] <zblach> earlier meaning 'on a fresh install of dapper'
[03:15] <zblach> 'before i started fiddling'
[03:15] <crimsun> zblach: hmm, that's odd. What did you change?
[03:15] <zblach> i can't remember.
[03:16] <crimsun> I'm pretty surprised you had audible sound.
[03:16] <zblach> i was suprised how bad these speakers sounded
[03:16] <zblach> i though altec lansing was supposed to be _good_
[03:16] <crimsun> zblach: do this: sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo invoke-rc.d alsa start
[03:17] <Hawkwind> crimsun: That doesn't help.  It just keeps taking me back to the GUI login over and over after entering my password
[03:17] <Towering> i can't get sound on mine
[03:17] <zblach> alsa stalls. seems that open sound system loads, however
[03:17] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Just wondering but why hasn't the Kubuntu website been updated in a long time? is there nothing new going on?
[03:17] <crimsun> zblach: please be more precise; I can't read your mind.
[03:18] <driz> i'm reading one of the sites and it says Ubuntu does it still work Kubunutu
[03:18] <driz> kubuntu*?
[03:18] <crimsun> Towering: pastebin ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> driz: Yeah, Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with KDE. The base is the same.
[03:18] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I see something on the screen about: error opening security policy file /etc/X11/security/SecurityPolicy
[03:18] <crimsun> Hawkwind: ls -la ~/.Xauthority
[03:19] <Hawkwind> crimsun: /etc/X11/Xsession /dev/null Permission Denied as well
[03:19] <zblach> crimsun: no alsa in /etc/init.d
[03:19] <driz> CheeseBurgerMan: cool thanx and Cool name
[03:19] <Hawkwind> crimsun: -rw------- 1 hawkwind hawkwind 49 2006-06-25 20:16 /home/hawkwind/.Xauthority
[03:19] <crimsun> Hawkwind: I don't have an /etc/X11/security/SecurityPolicy [I use GNOME atm] )
[03:19] <Towering> have no clue what you mean by that, but ok
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, thanks
[03:19] <crimsun> Hawkwind: ok, that looks fine
[03:19] <crimsun> zblach: alsa-utils, sorry
[03:19] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I also see that at boot time it tells me it isn't starting gdm because it's not the default
[03:20] <crimsun> Hawkwind: right, you'd be using kdm instead with Kubuntu
[03:20] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I don't use KDE or Gnome, I use E17, but I can't start any of them as normal user :(
[03:20] <crimsun> err...
[03:20] <crimsun> Hawkwind: are you using startx?
[03:20] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> whats E17/?
[03:21] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I've tried startx, startkde, startfluxbox
[03:21] <crimsun> Towering: ?
[03:21] <Hawkwind> None of them work.  They all give the same error(s)
[03:21] <Towering> pastebin ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[03:21] <zblach> crimsun: sound died around the time I got my keys (vol+/-/0) working
[03:21] <crimsun> Hawkwind: have you pastebinned the error{,s} and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[03:22] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Hawkwind: how long have u been using enlight?
[03:22] <crimsun> Towering: take the output from the ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer'' command and paste it onto the http://pastebin.ca Web site
[03:22] <crimsun> Towering: then tell me the url
[03:22] <Hawkwind> /usr/bin/startx line 169 /dev/null Permission Denied
[03:22] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I get that at the end of startx after it errors out
[03:22] <crimsun> Hawkwind: ls -l /dev/null
[03:23] <Hawkwind> crw------- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-05-22 09:25 /dev/null
[03:23] <crimsun> yep, permissions error
[03:23] <crimsun> sudo chmod 666 /dev/null
[03:24] <Hawkwind> crimsun: How did that get changed, any ideas ?
[03:24] <driz> how do i get out of root user on Konsole
[03:24] <Hawkwind> I know I personally haven't chmod'd or chown'd /dev/null
[03:24] <crimsun> Hawkwind: the matrix of possibilities is infinite.
[03:24] <driz> i did sudo -s
[03:24] <Hawkwind> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: For many years now
[03:24] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Heh, figures
[03:25] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I'm rebooting the machine to see if it works after a reboot now
[03:25] <crimsun> driz: ctrl+d, or ``exit''
[03:26] <Towering> hmm, well, when i put lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer in the run command, doesn't do anything
[03:26] <crimsun> Towering: open a Konsole and do it
[03:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Hawkwind: it looks sweet, can u run kde or knome apps under it?  how difficult is it to install software under it ?
[03:27] <Hawkwind> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: You can run anything under it
[03:27] <crimsun> zblach: any luck after the invoke-rc.d command?
[03:27] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Ok, problem.  After a reboot, /dev/null gets changed back to being owned by root
[03:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Hawkwind: is there a official site for it ?
[03:28] <Hawkwind> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: get-e.org and enlightenment.org
[03:28] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Hawkwind: thanks
[03:28] <crimsun> Hawkwind: grep -H null /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules
[03:29] <Towering> ok.. sorry, bear with me, i'm very new to linux
[03:29] <Towering> http://pastebin.ca/71702
[03:29] <Healot> I don't have a bear :)
[03:30] <zblach> crimsun: no such lock
[03:30] <zblach> **luck
[03:31] <Hawkwind> crimsun: /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules:KERNEL=="null",                          MODE="0666"
[03:31] <crimsun> Hawkwind: hmm, that's proper. Must be some other process chowning it.
[03:32] <crimsun> Hawkwind: anything in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or /etc/rc.local?
[03:32] <crimsun> [that looks suspicious]
[03:33] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Not sure what would look suspicious in that first file to be honest
[03:34] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Nothing at all in /etc/rc.local except for 'exit 0'
[03:34] <unix_infidel> that's normal...
[03:34] <unix_infidel> if you're operating on basically the default setup.
[03:35] <Hawkwind> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/71709
[03:35] <crimsun> Towering: which audio device are you trying to use, the onboard or the sb live?
[03:35] <Towering> sb live
[03:36] <Towering> it's the one that the bios has set to, and the one the speakers are connected to
[03:36] <crimsun> Towering: ``asoundconf set-default-card Live''
[03:36] <mrfinch> how do i install the latest kernel-source?
[03:36] <unix_infidel> Hawkwind: everything looks fine to me.  Must be another application that's changing perms.
[03:36] <crimsun> mrfinch: apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[03:36] <mrfinch> nice thanks
[03:36] <Hawkwind> crimsun: This all started after I followed this how-to:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[03:37] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I wonder if that script had something to do with it ?
[03:38] <crimsun> Hawkwind: well, I certainly see the MODE= being set to 0600
[03:38] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Hmm, so how can I change that ?
[03:39] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Or shall I say, reverse that
[03:39] <crimsun> well, I don't think that script is being invoked every boot -- is it?
[03:39] <Hawkwind> crimsun: It shouldn't be as it's in my users home directory
[03:40] <Hawkwind> crimsun: If I change MODE=600 to 666 then rerun the script, maybe it will fix my problem ?
[03:40] <crimsun> Hawkwind: try this: reboot using the recovery grub menu choice (which takes you to single-user), and look at the permissions on /dev/null
[03:41] <crimsun> Hawkwind: the script doesn't appear to touch /dev/null
[03:41] <Towering> well, the mixer has the SB as default, but still no sound
[03:41] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Ok, rebooting now.  I'll jump on the other box when it gets me to a termina
[03:41] <crimsun> Towering: I need the output from ``amixer'' pastebinned anew
[03:43] <Towering> http://pastebin.ca/71713
[03:44] <crimsun> Towering: amixer set 'PCM' on
[03:44] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: crw------- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-05-22 09:25 /dev/null
[03:44] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Same as before
[03:45] <Towering> ok, now i have a continuous tone
[03:45] <ube> http://tgmandry.blogspot.com/2006/06/worlds-largest-foss-irc-network.html
[03:45] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: ``grep -nHr chmod  /etc/init.d/*''
[03:46] <crimsun> Towering: well, sound should work, no?
[03:46] <Towering> oh, there's sound, it's a continous tone
[03:46] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/71715
[03:46] <crimsun> Towering: so...what's the issue?
[03:47] <Towering> well, i don't think it should be a continuous tone
[03:47] <crimsun> Towering: you probably want to decrease PCM to 77% anyhow. The sb lives have a known problem with clipping at levels >80
[03:47] <Towering> ok
[03:47] <Towering> much better
[03:47] <Towering> didn't know that
[03:48] <driz> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166~~> this is an annoying error i get when ever i am installing something.
[03:48] <Towering> so how do i get amaroK to play sound?
[03:49] <driz> what sound?
[03:49] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Does that output look right or wrong to you ?
[03:49] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: sec, I'm very busy atm
[03:50] <james_xxx> in trying to configure a PC to access the printer connected to another PC, when it askes for thehost of the remote IPP server, what am i supposed to enter?
[03:51] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: looks ok to me. Do you have the current packages (everything updated from dapper-updates and dapper-security)?
[03:51] <unix_infidel> james_xxx: the hostname of the server.
[03:51] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Yes.  I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade maybe 3 - 4 hours ago
[03:51] <unix_infidel> whatever you set it to during install.
[03:52] <james_xxx> unix_infidel: ok, the name on the PC that the printer is connected to is 'james-laptop'... is that what i should enter? if it is, i can't get it to work
[03:52] <unix_infidel> james_xxx: you need to be able to resolve the host first no?
[03:53] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: I'm really curious if I take that script and change that MODE= line to 666 instead of 600 and run it if that will solve the issue on reboot
[03:53] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: I didn't look to see if that script is actually executed on every boot
[03:53] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: I think that only because this started after I ran that script trying to get lm-sensors to work
[03:54] <james_xxx> unix_infidel: i don't know what resolving the host means lol
[03:54] <james_xxx> sorry for being such a newb
[03:54] <Towering> i'm probably more of a newb
[03:55] <james_xxx> Towering: i dove into ubuntu very wrecklessly not knowing anything, and it has actually gone remarkably well, due a lot to the help in this room
[03:55] <driz> not i'm a NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWBIE
[03:56] <Towering> i'll be happy to hear some music on amaroK
[03:56] <crimsun> Towering: ...what type of music?
[03:57] <james_xxx> how do you resolve a host?
[03:57] <crimsun> james_xxx: host somehost
[03:57] <Towering> right now it's set to a radio station on amaroK
[03:57] <james_xxx> crimsun: do i enter that where it asks for the host's name?
[03:57] <crimsun> Towering: ...which streams what, vorbis? mpc? mp3? wma? aac?
[03:57] <Towering> i have audio when in windows XP
[03:57] <Towering> not sure, how can i tell?
[03:57] <crimsun> james_xxx: if you're referring to the installer, if you're not sure just leave it blank
[03:58] <crimsun> Towering: what's the url?
[03:58] <james_xxx> crimsun: i am trying to set up network printing
[03:58] <crimsun> james_xxx: beats me, I know jack squat about printing, sorry
[03:58] <Towering> http://glou.relay.frequence3.net:8000/
[03:59] <Towering> yeah.. that's it
[03:59] <crimsun> I'm firewalled on port 8000
[03:59] <crimsun> I'm willing to bet that's an mp3 stream, thoguh
[03:59] <crimsun> though^
[03:59] <james_xxx> crimsun: the only thing i have discovered is that setting up a preinting server with k/ubuntu is WAY more difficult than in windows, and i actually did not expect that
[03:59] <Towering> ok, probably is then
[03:59] <crimsun> Towering: do you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[04:00] <Towering> i don't think that showed up in my apt
[04:00] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> is compiling from source the best way to install stuff on your pc?
[04:01] <Towering> libxine-extracodecs doesn't list in my Adept Manager
[04:01] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: What/Where would I put chmod 666 /dev/null so that it changes the perms on /dev/null to 666 so that when I boot to the GUI login I can start X without problems ?
[04:01] <user_> what is ur nme?
[04:02] <crimsun> Towering: you need to enable universe and multiverse first
[04:02] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: in /etc/rc.local
[04:03] <Towering> ok, see that's the part i've been trying to figure out, kubuntu site wasn't updated to inform me and ubunut site is different
[04:03] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: If I just add 'chmod 666 /dev/null' to the bottom of that, will it run it as root and change the perms without user interaction ?
[04:04] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Because if I put sudo in front of it, it will ask for the password I assume
[04:04] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: /etc/rc.local is executed as uid 0
[04:04] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: (don't preface it with sudo)
[04:05] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Ok thanks.  Testing another reboot to see what happens now
[04:06] <azzco> I've got a question here...I've got some avis that I'd like to burn to a DVD (me fiddling around with a program) does anyone know if k3b can make menus and such for creating a DVD?
[04:09] <Healot> azzco: k3b has a DVD Video project, but you need to convert those OpenAVI video to MPEG2 compliant video first
[04:10] <azzco> thx that's something that I wanted to hear :) Healot, can it create menus and such too?
[04:11] <Healot> File -> New Project -> New Video DVD
[04:11] <Towering> how do you enable multiverse in Adept Manager?
[04:11] <azzco> THX :)...do you happen to know any way(program) to convert the avis
[04:11] <Healot> btw, you need to design the DVD video file manually... azzco, one drawback
[04:12] <Healot> the DVD video structure is there in k3b, not the VOB bs :-
[04:12] <azzco> oh...you mean one "video file"
[04:12] <azzco> I'm really new to video editing =/
[04:12] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: I added that to /etc/rc.local and the perms are still incorrect after rebooting :(
[04:12] <Healot> azzco: I use Windows application for that :)
[04:12] <Healot> or Mac
[04:12] <azzco> oh
[04:13] <azzco> well I'll be fiddling around a bit here ;) I'll get backhere if I encounter any problems ;)
[04:13] <Healot> mmmkay
[04:13] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: is /etc/rc.local executable? Did you place the chmod before the "exit 0"?
[04:13] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: No, I put it after exit 0
[04:14] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: then it was not executed.
[04:14] <crimsun> it needs to be placed before the exit 0
[04:14] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Ok. rebooting again to try it
[04:15] <Towering> nm, i think i got it now
[04:18] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: As always man, thanks for your great and wonderful help :)
[04:18] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: np
[04:20] <Hawkwind> Now I just need to find out what exactly is causing that issue
[04:26] <Healot> sankarshan: Redhat India?
[04:27] <Towering> well, except there is no libxine-extracodecs
[04:27] <crimsun> Towering: you need to enable universe and multiverse
[04:27] <Healot> on the dapper repos, not dapper-backports
[04:28] <Healot> I saw many of this repos bs when people use adept to change the sources.list file
[04:29] <Healot> is adept buggy somehow?
[04:29] <Towering> i did
[04:29] <Towering> all that's listed
[04:31] <Healot> surrender you /etc/apt/sources.list and I'll tell you what to do...
[04:31] <Healot> hmm sounds more like a threat :)
[04:33] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> !restricted
[04:33] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:34] <Towering> hope my country is 01
[04:34] <Healot> the US of A?
[04:34] <Towering> yep
[04:34] <Healot> it's been no. for nearly everything :)
[04:34] <Healot> no. 1
[04:35] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> !mp3
[04:35] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:35] <Healot> Ubuntu is the 3rd non-American distro that I used so far :0
[04:42] <zblach> crimsun: if you're still at all interested, sound started working spontaneously after switching back to the 386 kernel
[04:43] <crimsun> zblach: and doesn't work at all with 686?
[04:43] <zblach> seems that way to me
[04:43] <crimsun> err, isn't audible
[04:43] <crimsun> sigh, that's the second report
[04:43] <zblach> unfortunately, i'm now listening to coldplay.
[04:43] <crimsun> something's being misoptimised
[04:44] <zblach> nothing to do with dual core?
[04:45] <crimsun> doubtful.
[04:46] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> can somone tell me how to install the lame headers and codec?  i want to do that before compiling kaffeine
[04:46] <zblach> should I stick with 386 for now? or the 686-smp?
[04:48] <Healot> if you have d-core, smp is way to go
[04:49] <crimsun> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: sudo apt-get build-dep kaffeine
[04:49] <Healot> build-dep is easier
[04:49] <Healot> or are you trying to compile the latest source manually
[04:50] <Healot> liblame-dev >> for lame devel headers
[04:52] <Chicory> If I'm running an AMD 64 K8 chipset, can I even RUN i386?
[04:53] <Healot> YES, absolutely
[04:53] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> crimsun: u think that will get the lame mp3 codec?
[04:53] <Chicory> Hey, I'm just checking.
[04:53] <Healot> it's still an x86
[04:54] <Chicory> Okay, then on that note would an i386 build be better for WINE?
[04:54] <Healot> no, I am just being bold...
[04:54] <Healot> in sense of compatibility, yes, Chicory
[04:55] <Healot> but wine will also compile with amd64 release
[04:55] <Towering> so, how can you change the sources.list?
[04:55] <Chicory> Hmm ...
[04:55] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> crimsun: nope it didnt
[04:56] <Towering> generated a list through the web and all
[04:56] <Chicory> How complicated would be compiling WINE in an amd64 build?
[04:56] <Healot> define "complicated"
[04:56] <Steven_M> hi all
[04:56] <Healot> as long you can get the required devel packages, you can do the compiling
[04:56] <Chicory> Er ... "any more complicated than perhaps dpkg-config".
[04:57] <Healot> no...
[04:57] <Healot> you'll do the same thing on both releases, amd64 and i386
[04:57] <crimsun> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: did you install liblame-dev?
[04:58] <Steven_M> What comand would I use for reconfiguring gtk+?
[04:58] <Chicory> Hmm ...
[04:59] <Chicory> Maybe I should leave installing WINE and MythTV until I'm more advanced.
[04:59] <Healot> Chicory: installing is easy, compilation is not
[04:59] <Chicory> Right.
[05:00] <driz> OMG i'm installin a windows version of firefox the hair on my back is standing up!!!!
[05:00] <Chicory> ... Driz, you're kidding, right?
[05:00] <Steven_M> anyone?
[05:01] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> crimsun: that did it , thanks , good job
[05:02] <driz> nope
[05:02] <driz> Chicory: I have to to be able to run flash.
[05:02] <Chicory> Okay, this is going to be pretty short-sighted, but why doesn't my OpenGL driver support my ATI All-In-Wonder 1600 Pro?
[05:03] <Healot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure libgtk2.0-common >> if this actually work, btw what's the problem with your gtk settings? Steven_M
[05:03] <Healot> driz: dl and install the Flash plugin from Adobe's site
[05:03] <Healot> or autoinstall when prompt to do so
[05:05] <driz> Healot i tried that but it wouldn't work. i was loking at the web site and it said to do so.
[05:05] <Healot> for Windows's Firefox?
[05:07] <Steven_M> Healot: it's not gtk2 I want to reconfigure it's gtk+
[05:07] <Healot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure libgtk1.2-common then
[05:08] <Healot> btw, server moderation coming up...
[05:09] <Steven_M> Healot: thanks :)
[05:09] <Healot> why you need gtk in KDE ? oh, you installed GTk apps
[05:12] <Steven_M> be back soon
[05:12] <Music^Hound> what do I need to update to kde 3.5.3 ?
[05:13] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> how can i make the left side folder tree icons larger?
[05:13] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Music^Hound: you need to add the right repo ,
[05:14] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Music^Hound: and just install it
[05:14] <Music^Hound> what repo ?
[05:14] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 dapper main
[05:15] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> thats if u use dapper
[05:15] <Music^Hound> yea I just installed it
[05:16] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> i installed it from adept , so not dont know what the command for installing its
[05:16] <Music^Hound> I'll figure it out
[05:18] <ube> i need help guys :[
[05:18] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> !justask
[05:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:19] <ube> oh hold up im going to try something
[05:26] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> how can i make the left side folder tree icons larger?
[06:24] <osiris> enough withthe nick changes
[06:24] <osiris> geesh
[06:24] <Izzymouse> Oops sorry
[06:27] <Steven_M> hi all
[06:27] <osiris> hi steven
[06:30] <Steven_M> hi osiris
[06:31] <Steven_M> kosh: you have always been here :)
[06:31] <word> is it possible to have your home directory on a seperate partition and to use it between distributions?
[06:31] <osiris> knda
[06:32] <kosh> Steven_M: pretty much :)
[06:32] <osiris> your ~/.files are whats most likley gonna screw ya
[06:32] <osiris> as config files change between distros
[06:32] <kosh> your personal .files are application specific not distro specific
[06:33] <kosh> what could cause problems is if you have kde 3.5 on one dist and 3.4 on another dist or something like that
[06:33] <Steven_M> kosh: I presoume you're a babylon 5 fan?
[06:33] <osiris> again, as i stated
[06:33] <kosh> that would likely even work, what would screw up is kde 2.x on one and kde 3.x on another
[06:33] <kosh> Steven_M: yup
[06:34] <osiris> or .xmms with soundwrapper options, and without
[06:34] <word> Hmm..suse 10.1 and kubuntu should theoratically share a home peacefully?
[06:34] <osiris> everyhting aside from the .files will be fine
[06:34] <kosh> it will probably work
[06:34] <Steven_M> kosh cool :)
[06:34] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> how can i make the left side folder tree icons larger?
[06:34] <word> Yah...I won't do it at first to make sure their relatively simmilar i suppose
[06:35] <osiris> word, one might overwrite the others .files, so you may run into issues
[06:35] <word> would their be a way to just share personal files in the home directory? and to have the .files only locally on the seperate distros partitions?
[06:35] <osiris> but backups make everything nice
[06:35] <word> like to mount the partiiton to the dir but the dir already having contents?
[06:36] <osiris> i dont know how to specify where personals go
[06:37] <Steven_M> does anyone know of a chat room especially for X11 issues?
[06:37] <kosh> don't know
[06:38] <kosh> what are your X11 issues?
[06:39] <Aspect404> Anyone here?
[06:41] <Steven_M> bye all
[06:42] <kosh> Aspect404: there are people here, however most won't respond instantly
[06:56] <Nightsapper> Anyone have any clues for someone trying to use a LiveCD based Kubuntu install from behind a company firewall?  Its websense and the only thing I have is an autoproxy link.  So far, I cant get anything to update load or install that wasnt in the default LiveCD install to disk.  that means no firefox, etc - and apt-get doenst seem to work at all.
[06:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Do a few error messages in my "evms-engine.log" have to make me worry?
[06:59] <thompa> the touchpad curser moves too stiff sometimes when cpu is up
[06:59] <thompa> i have to disable it, and use usb mouse
[07:01] <Nightsapper> Sorry not a clue.  Im new to Debian - coming from Redhat.  And I cant even get my Dapper to connect and update.
[07:01] <thompa> are you trying dist-upgrade?
[07:01] <Nightsapper> I can SSH and the Konq browser works off the autorpoxy, but add-remove, Adept and apt-get are all dead int he water
[07:02] <Nightsapper> I insalled formthe Live CD - jsu ttrying to get the Gnome stuff added - and things liek Firefox that the Live CD didn't install
[07:02] <thompa> type su first, then apt-get update
[07:02] <Nightsapper> doesnt work.
[07:02] <thompa> whats the error
[07:02] <Nightsapper> Im behind a corporate fireall (sebsense)
[07:02] <thompa> oh
[07:03] <thompa> is it a notebook or PC
[07:03] <Nightsapper> I can get out via SSH, and can get Kong to hit the company autoproxy but thats it.  Desktop box.
[07:03] <Nightsapper> Im on my winbox now because I cant get the doggone Dapper to go :-(
[07:03] <Nightsapper> *konq
[07:04] <thompa> just put it on usb
[07:04] <thompa> i got kubuntu on my ipod
[07:04] <Nightsapper> USB not allowed.  I work in R&D and its a restricted facility - lucky to have net access th way they been shutting downhere since a guy walked out with company data
[07:05] <thompa> well tell them you need linux
[07:05] <Nightsapper> No cell phones either - have to leave them at the froint desk. no blue tooth, etc.
[07:05] <Nightsapper> I did - they said fine, go get it and install it heh.
[07:05] <crimsun> heh, you're lucky. We can't carry them into the building.
[07:05] <thompa> i worked for the air force once, was like that
[07:05] <Nightsapper> So I did - but Dapper doesnt want to play nice.
[07:06] <thompa> are you aloud to go home or a slave?
[07:06] <Nightsapper> I dont want to go to Redhat but thats where things re headed if I cant show that this cna be installed and maintained from behind a firewall.
[07:07] <thompa> cant you ftpz?
[07:07] <Nightsapper> I go home just fine.  Job security has its costs.  ncie thing is that I dont take work home.
[07:07] <thompa> or normal ftp
[07:07] <suzie_fox> on this old computer i just recently got, i'm getting a kernel panic error, attmpted to kill init
[07:07] <suzie_fox> when trying to boot the kubuntu CD
[07:07] <Nightsapper> I cna FTP - but I'd rather get thigns to where the folks that want it can maintain thier own without much hassle.    Just hoping there is somethign easy I missed in configuring it.
[07:08] <thompa> any qsynaptics seems to work
[07:08] <thompa> work well that is for touchpad
[07:08] <Nightsapper> nope - synaptic isnt installed as part of the default Live CD install.
[07:09] <Nightsapper> so I dont have it - and with apt-get and adept not getting thrut he proxy, Im kinda hosed
[07:09] <thompa> i mean touchpad program qsyanptics
[07:09] <thompa> i installed synaptics too,
[07:09] <Nightsapper> suz - what type CPU?
[07:09] <suzie_fox> hold on a second
[07:10] <Nightsapper> funny thing is my home install went like dumb-easy.  I mean hit me in the head with and axe handle and I can still install it easy
[07:10] <suzie_fox> AMD K6, 2 CPUs
[07:11] <Nightsapper> Hmm.  maybe somethign to do with dual CPU motherboard that "old" - but thats just a pure guess on whayit would kernel panic on load.
[07:11] <Lynoure> hmm, getting gobby to work doesn't seem to be trivial
[07:11] <suzie_fox> i don't think it's something wrong with kubuntu itself, or the CD, since it also does it with my knoppix CD
[07:11] <Nightsapper> bios issue sounds like
[07:11] <Nightsapper> try running the memtest instead of the install
[07:12] <Nightsapper> last time I had a wierd panic turned out I had bad RAM
[07:12] <suzie_fox> i let the memtest run at boot, and it appears to work
[07:12] <thompa> how much ram do you have?
[07:12] <suzie_fox> 128mb
[07:12] <Nightsapper> thats plenty
[07:12] <suzie_fox> i'll probably put more in later
[07:12] <Nightsapper> for an initial instally anyways
[07:13] <suzie_fox> now, even the BIOS won't come up...give me a minute
[07:13] <Nightsapper> Oh.  bad mobo is sounding more the case.  yeouch.
[07:13] <thompa> i just had an amd xp 1800 on a soyo k400 go down
[07:13] <suzie_fox> i hope not
[07:13] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy?
[07:14] <thompa> mine wont even boot any hard drives anymore
[07:14] <Nightsapper> I had a lot of probs with syo Mobos in the past.
[07:15] <Nightsapper> went thru 2 RMA till I got a good Dragon
[07:15] <thompa> i replaced everything until i moved the blue hard drive connecter to a differnt plug
[07:15] <thompa> now it works sort of
[07:16] <thompa> mine syas dragon ultra on it
[07:16] <Nightsapper> yep - same I had.  LOL
[07:16] <thompa> too noisy fans though
[07:17] <thompa> now qsynaptics refushes to work again
[07:18] <khaije1> hi all :-)
[07:18] <thompa> i need to speed up scrolling
[07:18] <Nightsapper> suze: try replacing the HD cable that goes to the CDROM drive - or put it on a different one.  That mayhelp troubleshoot the drive vs cable vs Mobo issues
[07:18] <Nightsapper> hi
[07:18] <thompa> the window comes up but its as if i dont have permissions
[07:19] <khaije1> is there a way to do the minimal install w/ the dapper desktop cd?
[07:19] <suzie_fox> i tried resetting the BIOS
[07:19] <suzie_fox> since one of the CD roms was bad, so i unplugged it
[07:19] <thompa> what minimum?
[07:19] <kosh> currently I am using a soyo dragon kt880 v2.0 which has worked flawlessly, going to replace it soon but no issues with it
[07:19] <suzie_fox> that might've confused it some
[07:19] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy?
[07:19] <suzie_fox> because it was acting strange after that
[07:19] <thompa> it is allready middle minimal
[07:19] <suzie_fox> never seen something so simple cause anything like that...but...meh
[07:19] <kosh> what I find helpful though is not to use master slave stuff, just run one drive per channel and have it the master
[07:20] <suzie_fox> it seems to be booting Knoppix now
[07:20] <kosh> Nightsapper: sorry no idea about autoproxy
[07:20] <khaije1> in breezy with either cd you could choose a very minimalistic install w/ the server option
[07:20] <Nightsapper> dapper LiveCD I consider to be minimal - no Gnome libs, no gvim, no firefox, etc.  Heh.
[07:21] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> dapper has a server option , but that doesnt install x , kde or gnome
[07:21] <khaije1> Nightsapper: thompa: i'd like it as minimal as possible, i don't need a gui or anything that isn't required for the system to operate, the only purpose of this install is the run xen so i want it small and light
[07:21] <Nightsapper> what Noc said - server install
[07:22] <khaije1> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: oh sorry, didn't see that... do i need the server cd for that, or can i do it from the desktop cd?
[07:23] <thompa> its 431m
[07:23] <thompa> thats like 5 times lighter than suse or redhat
[07:24] <khaije1> thompa: :-)
[07:24] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> khaije1: im not sure because i downloaded and used all of them ,
[07:24] <khaije1> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: ya... unfortunately it doesn't readily present itself... i really liked the fact it was possible from any install cd in the past
[07:25] <suzie_fox> ok, yeah, i just needed to reset the BIOS i guess
[07:25] <khaije1> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: i can't even find info about passing options to ubiquity
[07:25] <khaije1> hi Hobbsee, how you be?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hi khaije1 - i be happy, cos i got to meet up with someone interesting :D
[07:26] <khaije1> ^_^
[07:26] <suzie_fox> at least knoppix loaded anywyas. kubuntu is saying some crap about not syncing now....great.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> khaije1: in person
[07:27] <khaije1> Hobbsee: sorry i'm busy atm, but later perhaps ;-)
[07:28] <khaije1> hey Hobbsee, do you know if it's possible to do a minimal install option from the dapper 'desktop' cds?
[07:28] <Hobbsee> khaije1: yeah, do a server install
[07:28] <khaije1> where is that option? it used to be right at the boot splash, but i didn't see it.... :-(
[07:28] <Hobbsee> um...
[07:28] <thwh00> hello
[07:29] <Hobbsee> dont remember
[07:29] <thwh00> whats the sudo command for getting firestarter
[07:29] <khaije1> Hobbsee: ha! stumpped ya!
[07:29] <Hobbsee> khaije1: that's not hard
[07:29] <MilhousePunkRock> khaije1: I think you need the alternate CD for that...
[07:29] <khaije1> thwh00: sudo apt-get install firestarter (is that what you mean?)
[07:30] <thwh00> yeah butttt
[07:30] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: ok, just thought i'd check here first to be sure... leaving the option out seems like a step backwards :-/
[07:30] <thwh00> that didn't work
[07:30] <thwh00> i want to install firestarter for kubuntu
[07:30] <khaije1> thwh00: well what'd it say?
[07:30] <thwh00> it said nothin nothin showed up\
[07:30] <MilhousePunkRock> The Desktop CD does not really give you many options, khaije1
[07:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Do a few error messages in my "evms-engine.log" have to make me worry?
[07:31] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: i'm not sure, but what do they say?
[07:31] <thwh00> dept does not list firestarter either
[07:31] <thwh00> adelpt*
[07:31] <thwh00> you know what i mean
[07:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Hold on, I'll put the log to the pastebin
[07:32] <thwh00> what are some other commands for installer firestarter
[07:32] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy? (installed from LiveCD, stranded without firefox, libgtk, synaptic etc)
[07:32] <osiris> thwh00, you arnt talking about firefox are you ?
[07:32] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: cool!
[07:32] <thwh00> no firestarter
[07:32] <thwh00> a firewalll program
[07:33] <farous> thwh00: check that you have the right repos enabled
[07:33] <farous> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[07:33] <thwh00> yeah that command doesn;t work it must be my repos, one sec
[07:34] <Melchiorre_away> thwh00: firestarter is in the universe repository, you need to enable that first...
[07:35] <thwh00> should i just enable them all
[07:36] <Melchiorre> thwh00: shouldn't hurt
[07:38] <MilhousePunkRock> Wow, the pastebin is awfully slow again today...
[07:39] <khaije1> did anyone else see the slashdot article about freenode passwords being compromised?
[07:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Not yet, khaije1, you got a link?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> khaije1: no, link?
[07:40] <thwh00> ok well just to let you know firestarter was found when enabling more repos but the sudo command still doesn not work
[07:40] <khaije1> http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/06/25/1440236.shtml
[07:40] <Nightsapper> someone wants to impersonate me whinging about Dapper not being able to update from behind this godforsaken websense firewall autoproxy, they are welcome to it.  LOL
[07:40] <khaije1> haha
[07:40] <Melchiorre> thwh00: have you 'sudo apt-get update' ed?
[07:41] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, I used pastebin.ca now, look here: http://pastebin.ca/71825
[07:41] <khaije1> thats a good point, but as always with slashdot the comments are nearly worth more than the story
[07:41] <Nightsapper> -> coding gvim on WinXP because I cant get Gvim on my dapper box.  yeeech.
[07:41] <thwh00> ummmm.. no lol i dunno what that is
[07:41] <thwh00> i just used adept to install
[07:42] <Melchiorre> thwh00: that works just as well... ;)
[07:42] <thwh00> lol yes sir
[07:42] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: is this only on startup?
[07:43] <MilhousePunkRock> It's the first time I looked at the logs, I noticed those errors when booting up earlier this morning
[07:44] <khaije1> line 1 - 139 looks pretty normal to me... like initialization stuff mostly
[07:46] <kike> alguien vivo
[07:47] <KaiserSuse> kike: si
[07:47] <kike> hola Kaiser, cre que ya todos dorman
[07:47] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: what it calls 'discovery' .... actually line 120 - 156 look like they could be problematic... are there any noticable problems?
[07:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Not really, khaije1
[07:47] <kike> alguien de chile?
[07:48] <khaije1> soy de estados unidos :-)
[07:48] <kike> que tal buenos das
[07:48] <khaije1> y tu tambien
[07:49] <kike> Milhouse do you know the band No Use For A Name??
[07:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey TheInfinity
[07:49] <TheInfinity> hiho
[07:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Sure I do, kike
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Would I be allowed to wear my name if I didn't?
[07:50] <kike> :-)
[07:50] <kike> keep the confused
[07:50] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: u know... it looks like it can't find the ntfs plugins..
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, well, why would it need it anyway? No NTFS partitions here...
[07:51] <kike> you speak spanish?
[07:51] <kike> Milhouse??
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> No habla espanol...
[07:52] <kike> .-(
[07:52] <kike> :-(
[07:52] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: honestly i'm not really sure, i would say check to see if you can find a package for that, if not then you could try a purge and re-install but i'm not sure how risky this is so i can't really reccomend it
[07:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Donde esta la biblioteca?
[07:53] <MilhousePunkRock> What about lines 156 to 159?
[07:54] <khaije1> thats just detecting the disk geometry method, there are a handful of different ways to represent it mostly as a way to adapt to artificial disk size limits
[07:54] <kike> qualcuno parla italiano?
[07:54] <MilhousePunkRock> I just performed a search for "NTFS" in adept, all the results are _not_ installed
[07:55] <khaije1> i've gotta little bit of offline work to do so i'm going afk
[07:55] <kike> alguien me puede traducir que necesita Milhouse
[07:55] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: read everything very carefully before installing, the risk isnt huge but yuor always better off that way :-)
[07:56] <khaije1> see ya'll later 0/
[07:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Huh? kike?
[07:56] <MilhousePunkRock> CU khaije1
[07:56] <KaiserSuse> Does anyone knows how big would an ubuntu mirror (i386 only) would be? (including main, restricted, universe and multiverse)
[07:57] <kike> non c'e nessuno qui per parlare con me???????
[07:57] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy (.pac, websense)?
[07:58] <MilhousePunkRock> kike, sorry, but I don't understand a word
[07:58] <kike> no problem
[07:58] <Melchiorre> MilhousePunkRock: he said : somebody can translate to me that Milhouse needs
[07:59] <Nightsapper> any newcomers: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy (.pac, websense)? [ FYI installed off Dapper LiveCD so I don't have Firefox, synaptic, gnome libs, etc - and with apt-get/adept unable to get out, Im hosed]
[07:59] <Melchiorre> whatever that means ;)
[07:59] <kike> see later.......
[07:59] <Nightsapper> oops.  sorry hit enter too soon.
[08:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Nightsapper, did you add the CD to your sources list? Not that I really know if anything you need/want is on there...
[08:05] <Nightsapper> Unfortunately that stuff isnt onthe LivCD.
[08:06] <Nightsapper> Latest version of Firefox, etc.
[08:06] <Nightsapper> and GAIM.
[08:06] <Nightsapper> sad thing is the install went stupid smooth at home.
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> What about downloading the packages manually?
[08:07] <Nightsapper> I'm talking "hit-me-in-the-head-with-an-axe-handle and I can still do it" simple.
[08:07] <Nightsapper> via FTP?
[08:08] <Nightsapper> problem is I'd rather make it a bit simpler - I have some semi-technical folks that simply willnot be bothered with stuff liek updating thier system unless its easy (PhD types)
[08:09] <Nightsapper> Friends dont let friends use RPMs or so I'm told.   so I'm trying to find an alternative to the local Redhat sales guys pitch to management.
[08:12] <Nightsapper> its just amazing how badly a dynamic corporate firewall can screw things up (websense)
[08:13] <MilhousePunkRock> No RPM, try finding .deb packages, or zipped ones...
[08:17] <Healot> what package?
[08:18] <paul_> hi all
[08:18] <hybrid> howdy
[08:18] <Melchiorre> hi paul_
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> Hi paul
[08:19] <paul_> how you all doing?
[08:20] <hybrid> well, and you?
[08:20] <paul_> not too shabby
[08:25] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy (.pac, websense)?
[08:26] <Healot> apt-get usually use source servers via HTTP/fTP
[08:26] <Healot> shou;ld have no problem if your router allows web surfing
[08:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Is anyone running Kubuntu on a Laptop here?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: should be plenty of people
[08:28] <Melchiorre> I do
[08:28] <Melchiorre> *I am
[08:28] <Nightsapper> well the problem is its an autorpoxy - so it changes the proxe based onthe request, the hsot, etc.  Konquerer handles it but apt seems to require a fixed proxy
[08:28] <MilhousePunkRock> I am wondering how to make power management work...
[08:29] <Healot> Nightsapper: you need to connect over proxy eg
[08:29] <Melchiorre> MilhousePunkRock: hahaha, I haven't managed either...
[08:29] <Healot> ok... I haven't figure that out yet... man apt-get?
[08:29] <Healot> i think there is an option to use web proxy
[08:29] <MilhousePunkRock> e.g. the "lid event" making it go to suspend to RAM (that is what used to be called "stand-by" on Windows, is it?)
[08:30] <Melchiorre> MilhousePunkRock: yes, but that doesn't seem to work on my Compaq
[08:30] <MilhousePunkRock> I know there is a package called ibm-acpi and it _should_ be in Kubuntu, but I just can't find it
[08:31] <Nightsapper> Heal I tried that - it jsut has standard rposywith a fixed addres, login and pass (and most of that live in the /etc/apt/apt.conf fiel or the environment - not places to leave my login and passowrd).
[08:32] <Nightsapper> sheesh  typos.  getting tired 9and coding perl in another window isn't helping much)
[08:32] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: it's already in our kernel.
[08:33] <MilhousePunkRock> So I don't need the package, crimsun? But how do I enable it?
[08:36] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: it's already enabled
[08:36] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: the acpi scripts, etc., are in the acpi-support package
[08:36] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: it should work out of the box. Mine does.
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> But I can choose anything in System Settings --> Hardware --> Power & Laptop, nothing is working
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> Primarily I want the lid event
[08:38] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: I don't have that screen in front of me, but did you enable the acpi helper in the last tab?
[08:38] <MilhousePunkRock> Let me check, crimsun
[08:38] <lowtech> looks like acpi_ibm is a module that may need to be loaded
[08:39] <MilhousePunkRock> I enabled it now, guess I have to reboot?
[08:42] <_stephen> h
[08:42] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: yes
[08:43] <_stephen> Ive just installed kubuntu do u know any good begginer guides
[08:43] <_stephen> im new to linux
[08:43] <Healot> www.tldp.org
[08:44] <lowtech> the links in the topic would be a good start
[08:44] <_stephen> thank you kindly
[08:44] <Nightsapper> kubuntu.org has some nice links on thier beginners page.
[08:44] <Healot> and ubuntu specific
[08:45] <Nightsapper> and congrats _steph
[08:45] <_stephen> :)
[08:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Ahw, noone congratulated me when I installed Kubuntu... :-/
[08:46] <_stephen> thanks im goin to get reading
[08:48] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: everyone else did that successfully  before :)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> Healot: not necessarily.  i accidently formatted my hard drive when i did hehe
[08:48] <Nightsapper> Youve taken the first step into a larger universe.
[08:48] <MilhousePunkRock> My first installation was anything else than succesful though (due to a faulty CD)
[08:49] <Nightsapper> (had to be an apropo Star Wars quote laying around somewhere unused just for such a moment...)
[08:49] <MilhousePunkRock> lol Nightsapper
[08:51] <Healot> heh
[08:51] <Hobbsee> a printed one :)
[08:52] <unix_infidel> oh, snap i need to order one.
[08:52] <thwh00> is anyone familiar with the program BIONIC
[08:52] <thwh00> i need help installing
[08:52] <Healot> no...? thompa
[08:52] <Healot> thwh00...
[08:52] <Healot> damn
[08:53] <thwh00> um ok
[08:53] <word> Hobbsee: They comin out now? I ordered mine before they started sending..suppose it's been 3-4 weeks since june :-/
[08:53] <thwh00> its a .sh file
[08:53] <lowtech> sh file.sh
[08:53] <Hobbsee> word: i'm not sure where this one came from, to be honest.
[08:53] <word> Hobbsee: Lol. just suddenly appeared in your hand? :P
[08:53] <lowtech> thwh00: may need to chmod +x it first though
[08:53] <Healot> chmod +x first
[08:53] <Hobbsee> word: no, it got given to me by a woman i met today :)
[08:54] <Hobbsee> but i'm not sure how she got it, as her hubby isnt home from the conference yet
[08:54] <Hobbsee> maybe they got some sent out or something
[08:54] <thwh00> well what it tells me to do is extrach to directory then run command
[08:54] <thwh00> one sec
[08:55] <word> Maybe :-/
[08:55] <word> Does it come in a nifty case or cd envelope thingy?
[08:56] <Healot> anyone bought the jewel cased DVD yet?
[08:56] <NeoChaosX> cd envelope, if the Ubuntu CDs my computer science club gives away is any indication
[08:56] <Hobbsee> word: it's in a clear case, this one - it's printed wrong though, so i dont know
[08:56] <word> heh
[08:58] <MilhousePunkRock> With more annoying questions... ;-)
[08:58] <thwh00> ok when i run these commands at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/sea.php for installing this program i get an error message saying unkown host
[08:59] <thwh00> i am trying to install boinc_5.2.13_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[08:59] <Melchiorre> thwh00: are you typing 'sh' or 'ssh'?
[08:59] <thwh00> .sh
[09:00] <thwh00> boinc_5.2.13_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh is the file name
[09:00] <lowtech> sh boinc,...sh
[09:00] <thwh00> it says in the nots
[09:00] <thwh00> BOINC for Unix/Linux is available as a self-extracting archive. The download files have names like
[09:00] <thwh00> boinc_5.2.13_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[09:01] <farous> thwh00: jsut type ./filename
[09:01] <lowtech> right, its an .sh file so run sh filename.sh
[09:01] <farous> thwh00: so to execute it type ./bonic.....sh
[09:01] <lowtech> or that
[09:01] <farous> thwh00: given you are in its dir
[09:02] <thwh00> the file is located on desktop
[09:02] <lowtech> there is a desktop directory in your home
[09:02] <farous> thwh00: normally double clicking on it do the trich but it is better to do it in a terminal to see what is happening
[09:03] <thwh00> yeah i ran it in terminal and it keeps saying unkown host
[09:03] <farous> thwh00: one more thing check if it has the executable flag set. right mouse click and see if in permission it say execute
[09:04] <farous> thwh00: then you have to take your question to the program provider.
[09:04] <MilhousePunkRock> re
[09:04] <thwh00> are you talking about a checkbox that so is executable
[09:05] <thwh00> also when double clicking the.sh file it opens in kate an says The file file:///home/b/Desktop/boinc_5.4.9_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. so that doesn;t work
[09:05] <thwh00> ill try checking box though
[09:07] <MilhousePunkRock> I rebooted now, but still closing the lid does nothing :-/
[09:07] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: check if there is a kdepowermanagement. i use gnome and can set it from gnomepowermanagement package
[09:08] <Hobbsee> kpowersave or klaptop
[09:08] <Hobbsee> kpowersave is better
[09:08] <MilhousePunkRock> There is something about Laptops & Power in the system settings, but nothing seems to do a thing in there
[09:09] <jad> hola
[09:09] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: install kpowersave - much easier to use
[09:09] <MilhousePunkRock> kpowersave sounds interesting, I was looking for a replacement for KLaptop anyway
[09:09] <MilhousePunkRock> thx Hobbsee
[09:10] <farous> Hobbsee: is kpowersave a front end for the powersaved
[09:10] <Hobbsee> farous: yes
[09:10] <farous> yah that is a nice prog
[09:10] <lowtech> oh thwh00 left. guess there's no reason to get boinc and try
[09:14] <MilhousePunkRock> installing KPowersave will remove some stuff, I assume that is OK?
[09:14] <farous> Hobbsee: do you know which corrupt font might cause this prob or at least how to find the guilty package Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 4097
[09:14] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:14] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yes
[09:14] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: yah will remove your default powersaving daemon
[09:14] <Hobbsee> farous: not a clue - maybe libpango or something?
[09:14] <farous> powernowd i presume
[09:15] <farous> Hobbsee: my search said it is a corrupt font not lib but can not pick up the one. the problem it makes application rendering erratic sometimes i see the font others it is so corrupt you can not understand what is on display
[09:16] <Hobbsee> farous: right.  i really dont know
[09:16] <farous> thanx
[09:16] <farous> no problem
[09:17] <kane_> farous: a lot of fonts have GPOS tables :/
[09:17] <farous> kane_: but how to find the one causing the problem. is there a tool or something i can use.
[09:17] <kane_> Hobbsee: hi .. still got the same shitty problem with clipping
[09:17] <kane_> farous: not really
[09:17] <farous> i finally had to compile from source the most important appl i use
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hi kane_.  darn
[09:18] <kane_> farous: which is ?
[09:18] <farous> scilab
[09:18] <farous> maxima
[09:18] <kane_> Hobbsee: it really sucks :/
[09:18] <farous> flpsed
[09:18] <MilhousePunkRock> It wants to remove: apmd, klaptopdemon and powernowd
[09:19] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:19] <Hobbsee> that's okay
[09:19] <Hobbsee> kane_: did it end up getting filed under whichever package was the culprit?
[09:21] <galorin> I've just installed kubuntu 6.06 for AMD64 and am trying to install 32-bit firefox, following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java but I can't even get past the first step, apt-get tells me "E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-bin" help?
[09:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Weird how Linux can remove applications that are currently running...
[09:21] <farous> galorin: enable mulitverse repos
[09:22] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, it tends to have trouble playing a music track that you've sent to /dev/null though.
[09:22] <MilhousePunkRock> Did you check your sources list, galorin?
[09:22] <farous> lol am too sleepy it is multiverse repos
[09:22] <Nightsapper> what source woudl that one come from (out of curiosity sake)
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> kpowersafe is installed
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> do i have to reboot now or is it sufficient to restart X?
[09:24] <galorin> I uncommented everything, but the only multiverse link is listed under dapper-backports.. I'll add it and try again.
[09:24] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: to check if powersave is running man powersave. there is an option that will tell you if it is running or not
[09:24] <farous> can not remember it now
[09:25] <farous> galorin: you can add multiverse on the same line as universe or make a new entry for it
[09:26] <farous> !easysource > galorin
[09:26] <galorin> doing the former.  Does multiverse also have a spot in  security.ubuntu.com?
[09:26] <crimsun> yes, but few people are actually supporting it
[09:27] <galorin> I'll add it in anyways
[09:27] <lowtech> hm, appears kubuntu doesn't support my camera
[09:27] <farous> crimsun: just out of curiosity why your repos that include bcm43xx are not included in easysource. quite a number of people having troubles with the card and it will be great help for them?
[09:28] <Healot> !repos
[09:28] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:28] <lowtech> wonder why support for Nikon cameras ends with the 5700, that camera is many years old
[09:29] <crimsun> farous: I'm not involved w/ easysource, but you can ask its creator{,s} to add it.
[09:30] <farous> ok thanx crimsun :)
[09:30] <farous> now back to work :)
[09:31] <galorin> yay, ta.  Should have spotted that one myself.  Not used to Debian-style stuff yet.  Been a Slacker for years.
[09:33] <MilhousePunkRock> farous: I can enter e.g. powersave --get-brightness and it gives me the current brightness level
[09:33] <lowtech> good thing i kept windows on my box, will have to deal with my camera there :(
[09:33] <MilhousePunkRock> there wasn't  a simple option to see if it is running
[09:34] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: it works well on my other notebook. on this one i found that powernowd is slightly better. so can not remember the commands. but its interface is superior to powernowd
[09:34] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: i think powersave -l or something
[09:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Speed set to minimum
[09:35] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: you can always restart it sudo /etc/init.d/powersaved restart. am sure there is somehting that will tell you which daemon is running but i do not know it :(
[09:35] <farous> no back to marking take care all
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> OMG, powersave -l clocked it down to 198.something MHz, I didn't know it could go so low
[09:36] <galorin> Should I bother compiling my own kernel for Kubuntu, or is that something that isn't really necessary?  I just find the huge number of modules a bit irritating.
[09:37] <lowtech> why does that irritate you?
[09:37] <dumbkiwi> galorin: modules aren't in the kernel, so compiling it won't assist.
[09:37] <dumbkiwi> galorin: rmmod them if they're not required
[09:38] <bam_> anyone know how to set up the pager so I can drag and drop windows in different desktops?
[09:38] <galorin> It's /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist that I'd want to remove 'em permanently right?  Had to do that to get my wireless chip working.
[09:39] <scheuri> hi all
[09:41] <Melchiorre> howdi scheuri
[09:56] <kane_> bam_: can't you just right click and select the desktop ?
[09:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys
[09:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what the freaking hell is khubd? it is taking 100% cpu from a while
[09:57] <emonkey> !khupd
[09:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about khupd
[09:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> emonkey: do you know what it is?
[09:58] <emonkey> atm no, I'm searching
[09:59] <emonkey> sorry found nothing and no time for deeper searching...
[10:00] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: it's a kernel thread.
[10:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why it is in a bad state
[10:01] <crimsun> (specifically coalescing usb events)
[10:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mmhh
[10:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mayybe the webcam did it
[10:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the system crash when i press the sshot picture butotn
[10:08] <NKjoep> good morning ppl
[10:09] <NKjoep> i'm trying to install language-support-it and witalian packets... but i got this:
[10:09] <NKjoep> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another proces
[10:10] <NKjoep> i dont know why config.dat is locked
[10:10] <Melchiorre> that usually means another apt-ish program is open, like adept or synsaptic (Even the background updater)
[10:10] <Melchiorre> *synaptic
[10:10] <Melchiorre> are they all closed?
[10:11] <farous_away> NKjoep: might try ot see what is using it lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[10:11] <NKjoep> yes they are
[10:11] <NKjoep> Melchiorre: they are all closed
[10:12] <Melchiorre> try doing what farous_away suggested 'lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat'
[10:12] <NKjoep> done... nothing returns
[10:13] <Melchiorre> hmmm
[10:13] <NKjoep> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:13] <NKjoep> _
[10:13] <Melchiorre> are you using adept, or command line?
[10:13] <NKjoep> same error with adept and command line
[10:14] <NKjoep> i tried before with adept... after i closed it... closed session... new sessione ... and tried from command line
[10:14] <NKjoep> but errors with "witalian" packet
[10:14] <NKjoep> and some others
[10:16] <Melchiorre> just out of curiosity, did you get the dialogue asking what dictionary to use by default?
[10:16] <NKjoep> yes it appears if i click on it... are you asking me if that dialog is working? :)
[10:18] <Melchiorre> I meant when you try to sudo apt-get install witalian does it come up, or does it error before it gets that far...
[10:19] <NKjoep> uhm.. after sudo apt-get install nothing comes up... just error in commandline
[10:20] <Melchiorre> hmmm, I'm stumped... anyone else got any ideas?
[10:20] <NKjoep> watching ksysguard... i'm seeing a process called kdesu_stub... using dpkg
[10:21] <Melchiorre> kill it
[10:21] <Melchiorre> not sure what it is, but it might help...
[10:22] <NKjoep> uhmm.. i'm thinking that's the language selection dialog that crushed
[10:22] <NKjoep> dialog isnt visible now... but it's freezed inside the s.o. :P
[10:23] <NKjoep> it says that i cant kill it... _ i'm have no sufficient rights
[10:24] <Melchiorre> get the process id out of ksysguard and type 'sudo kill ID' in a command line
[10:25] <NKjoep> done from root shell
[10:25] <NKjoep> :)
[10:25] <Melchiorre> :)
[10:25] <NKjoep> and what about now? :E
[10:26] <NKjoep> try again to do adp-get install witalian?
[10:26] <NKjoep> :d
[10:26] <Melchiorre> try installing witalian again
[10:26] <Melchiorre> yep
[10:26] <Nightsapper> well. . . I guess IM going to have to kill Dapper and install Redhat over it.  Sigh.
[10:26] <NKjoep> :(
[10:26] <Melchiorre> :O
[10:26] <NKjoep> why Nightsapper
[10:26] <Melchiorre> what would make you do that Nightsapper?
[10:26] <Nightsapper> no solution for me to show in the AM how to get the system tools to auto update simply over the autoproxy
[10:27] <farous_away> Nightsapper: if you mean fedora i will give you 20 min to come back to deb based distro :)
[10:27] <Nightsapper> Live CD doesnt have Firefox and I cannot get apt-get to find it.
[10:27] <NKjoep> uh? _
[10:27] <farous_away> Nightsapper: you are looking for firefox?
[10:27] <Healot> ubuntu liveCD
[10:27] <Healot> not kubuntu
[10:28] <Nightsapper> nope.  red hat.  as in paying for support. opuit of my budget.  meaning that one less bunchof gear I will get this year or else eliminate one headcount from our planned hires
[10:29] <Nightsapper> I installed off the liveCD Kubuntu.  and stuff I need is not there and apt-get and Adept are not getting out past the autoproxy (funny thing is that Konq does after setting the system proxy to look there)
[10:29] <Nightsapper> and my install at home was silky smooth.
[10:29] <Nightsapper> I hate corporate firewalls.
[10:29] <Nightsapper> 25 seats of rehate instead of 25 dappers.  grr.
[10:30] <Nightsapper> *redhat (redhate?  freudian)
[10:30] <Nightsapper> well, good day all.  At least I can still use it at home.
[10:30] <Nightsapper> :-/
[10:31] <Healot> no
[10:31] <Nightsapper> It didnt install on my PC with a small footprint install - I got the language settings and OOO
[10:32] <Healot> Ubuntu have firefox, kubuntu is left with konq
[10:32] <Nightsapper> LiveCD shoudl maybe consider NOT leaving that out.
[10:32] <Nightsapper> Firefox is pretty much a vital app to most folks.
[10:32] <Healot> they can't load GTK lib together...
[10:33] <farous_away> Healot: thats due to size limit on the cd ?
[10:33] <Nightsapper> true.  thats what I ran into when I DL'd Firefox from moz website - no gtk.  and htat led to one after another set of lib dependency hell.  I thought I was back in Windows95 terriroty again.
[10:33] <hybrid> lol
[10:34] <Healot> farous_away: guess?
[10:34] <Nightsapper> without an automated package tool, installing that kind of thing sucks.  If I coudl only figure outhow to get apt-get to work from behind a websense autoproxy.
[10:34] <farous_away> Nightsapper: if you are ok with opera i truley prefer it to both :)
[10:35] <farous_away> Nightsapper: nothing in kcontrol sorry have not been using kde for a while. and now i use it lightly
[10:35] <Seveas> %part
[10:35] <Nightsapper> Nope - we won our battle to get the company off of MSIE and onto Firefox.  At least in this department.  Next move is to get Linux as a standard desktop.  But thats looking to now be Redhat - and they lag the edge so badly its not funny.
[10:35] <NKjoep> uhm... there's no way to apt work behind a prox?
[10:35] <Nightsapper> it works find behind a static proxy
[10:36] <Nightsapper> but that requires some settings in /etc/apt/apt.conf - like username and password.  "Information Assurance" guys have a cow over that one.
[10:36] <NKjoep> _
[10:36] <Nightsapper> And it doesn't seem to handle dynamic proxy that well - autoproxy that deliver an .pac file.
[10:36] <NKjoep> :\
[10:36] <Nightsapper> restate - apt-get doenst handl that at all.
[10:37] <Nightsapper> Kinda like Kopete.  No real easy or intuitive way to set up proxying.
[10:37] <Nightsapper> thats why we went to GAIM.
[10:38] <Nightsapper> bascially to get any kind of proxy working I had to violate a lot of security.  And I cant do that on a regular basis.
[10:39] <NKjoep> uhm... yes
[10:39] <Healot> Nightsapper: which is more importante to you, work or play?
[10:40] <Nightsapper> putting usernames and unencrytped passwords in a config file in etc is not a good way to keep security, especially since they are proxy uer/pass - which also happen to be corporate user/pass.
[10:41] <farous_away> Nightsapper: first there is professional support for ubuntu too check the website. second i would try ubuntu room first debian room second before i give up
[10:41] <Nightsapper> equal - without work = no money.  Not much play there (been there done that in the tlelcom crash of 2000)
[10:42] <Healot> ?I heard the American telcos are cutting job, and giving new jobs to India?
[10:42] <Nightsapper> I'll give that a look.
[10:42] <Nightsapper> some are.  Ones doing security work arent.  Hard to get a security clearance over there
[10:42] <farous_away> Healot: i just been contacted by a call center located in egypt
[10:42] <farous_away> it is not only india now
[10:42] <farous_away> back in few min
[10:42] <Nightsapper> Veitnam, Phillipines China - all those are jumping in.
[10:43] <mystikfox> i'm getting an "unknown device" for my ethernet controller. where should i start if i want to fix that?
[10:43] <Healot> mystikfox: is it a 1Gbps nic?
[10:44] <mystikfox> it's a 10/100 i think...one of those cheep microsoft cards
[10:44] <mystikfox> but, i figure, it should still work
[10:44] <Healot> !hardware
[10:44] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:44] <Healot> see if the card is supported?
[10:44] <Healot> never heard of MS NIC before...
[10:44] <kent> !sofware
[10:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about sofware
[10:45] <NKjoep> hi again
[10:45] <Melchiorre> g'day!
[10:45] <kent> !hardware
[10:45] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:45] <kent> ha, it's a robot
[10:46] <Healot> yes
[10:46] <Healot> all along kent, where's barbie :)
[10:46] <mystikfox> it's not in the list, but that's a pretty short list
[10:46] <mystikfox> i figure it would support more than that
[10:46] <kent> barbie? what it  means?
[10:47] <Healot> mystikfox: that's about it
[10:47] <Nightsapper> Well good luck all.  I'm worn out trying all kinds of tricks to fool apt-get/adept into working with this damned autoproxy.
[10:48] <Healot> telnet to the router and turn it off
[10:48] <kane_> autoproxy ?
[10:48] <Nightsapper> .pac file
[10:48] <rus> hi all
[10:48] <Nightsapper> no direct proxy assignment.
[10:48] <Nightsapper> and it does change.
[10:48] <Nightsapper> so a static proxy assignment isnt an option.
[10:49] <Nightsapper> and I cannot put uernames and passwords inthe .conf file or environment, so thats a goner too. (security violation that out comp sec guys would gig me for)
[10:49] <weihello> hi, how to login with my name.
[10:50] <Nightsapper> well, laters.  time to try installing something else.
[10:50] <Nightsapper> Nighters - Remember the Infantry!  We bleed so you don't have to!
[10:50] <rus> could not find mime type application octet - getting this message all over
[10:50] <rus> what is it?
[10:51] <Schalken> im guessing it means it doesnt know how to open an 'octet' file
[10:51] <rus> whats an octet file?
[10:51] <Schalken> woudltn have a clue
[10:52] <farous> try this might fix it for you sudo update-mime-database /usr/share/mime/
[10:52] <Schalken> does kubuntu contain any gnome applications?
[10:53] <rus> hmm - is gaim a gnome app?
[10:53] <Schalken> it is
[10:53] <rus> yep
[10:54] <Schalken> does it have kopete as well as gaim?
[10:54] <rus> farous: it updated something
[10:54] <rus> yeah
[10:54] <farous> your installation script might have missed that
[10:54] <farous> is it working now
[10:55] <rus> yep
[10:55] <rus> thanx
[10:55] <farous> ur welcomed
[10:56] <NKjoep> shower time :P
[10:57] <rus> ooops
[10:58] <rus> it poped up again
[10:58] <rus> when i pushed browse for icon files in kde menu editor
[10:58] <Schalken> what does it say this time?\
[10:59] <rus> the same
[10:59] <rus> application octet thing
[10:59] <Schalken> humph
[10:59] <rus> when i close the browsing window
[11:00] <rus> and open it again - it doesnt come up anymore
[11:00] <hybrid> rus: which browser?
[11:04] <weihello> !ruby
[11:04] <ubotu> I know nothing about ruby
[11:04] <weihello> !emacs
[11:04] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), vi/vim (terminal-based), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[11:04] <hybrid> weihello: what are you trying to do?
[11:05] <weihello> i want to configure emacs + ruby + rails
[11:05] <weihello> how to login in?
[11:05] <weihello> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[11:06] <emonkey> weihello, you've to register your nick on freenode to do that
[11:07] <weihello> thanks
[11:07] <rus> hybrid: not a browser a browsing window - for files
[11:09] <rus> since this popups dont repeat - ill wait and see if they stop appearing
[11:51] <driz> .sladshot
[11:52] <dsi> hi
[12:00] <Adam_eM> hi there
[12:01] <Adam_eM> my kde doesn't work smoothly when i enable composite
[12:02] <Adam_eM> i had enlightenment with many bells running smooth
[12:11] <mindspit> anyone knows how to add new fortunes cookies ? i need to create just the .dat files !
[12:14] <mindspit> ok i found it using  " #  strfile file_full_of_cookies file_full_of_cookies.dat
[12:14] <mindspit> thans anyway!
[12:15] <mindspit> i love asking questons here!
[12:15] <mindspit> i get the solution!
[12:15] <mindspit> this is just a coinsidence!
[12:15] <mindspit> so i have another question!
[12:15] <mindspit> i get an error during bootup
[12:16] <mindspit> this error says that my fat partitions are not the same with their backup!
[12:16] <mindspit> it gives me the chanse to fix the fs
[12:16] <mindspit> using control-d
[12:16] <mindspit> but i cannot do anything ... cause i dont know
[12:17] <mindspit> it says i must copy the backup to the original or the vise versa
[12:17] <mindspit> fsck.vfat /dev/hdd1
[12:17] <mindspit> using this command
[12:19] <driz> lol
[12:20] <driz> lmao
[12:20] <driz> mindspit: everyone is sleeping and i dont know how to help you
[12:20] <mindspit> hehe
[12:20] <mindspit> :)
[12:21] <mindspit> now  i get the question to copy the original to backup
[12:21] <mindspit> i answer yes
[12:21] <mindspit> but the same thing on the next reboot!
[12:21] <mindspit> anyway how do i disable this ?
[12:22] <mindspit> the fs check on start up!
[12:22] <driz> I have no idea man
[12:22] <driz> I'm a newb myself
[12:22] <mindspit> ok ...
[12:22] <mindspit> thanks anyway!
[12:22] <mindspit> i got to ask!
[12:22] <mindspit> :)
[12:24] <driz> #kde might be able to help you
[12:24] <mindspit> well if he can ... i will wait for him
[12:24] <mindspit> :)
[12:25] <driz> wow
[12:25] <driz> i got classes later man
[12:30] <insanekane> mindspit: i don't think you can disable it
[12:30] <insanekane> mindspit: it happens as part of the process of loading your filesystem
[12:30] <mindspit> anyway ... can i fix it ... atleast ?
[12:31] <insanekane> mindspit: i think your problem is not in the loading of the filesystem ... it has to do with the boot sector ?
[12:31] <mindspit> vim /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh ..........
[12:31] <mindspit> yes the boot sector
[12:31] <mindspit> thats it
[12:31] <insanekane> mindspit: i heard there is a fix for it, but i don't know the details ... ask pradeepto or Riddel
[12:31] <mindspit> it not the same with its backup
[12:31] <insanekane> yeah, it is supposed to be an off-by-one bug ... dunno the details ..
[12:32] <insanekane> pradeepto has done the fix ... Riddell also knows about it, i think
[12:32] <Riddell> mindspit: what's up?
[12:34] <mindspit> i heard you solved the problem with fs.vfat
[12:34] <mindspit> the system always propts for me to make fschk
[12:35] <mindspit> and i get the error (boot sector original/backup) on the next reboot
[12:35] <mindspit> boot sector original/backup are different
[12:36] <Riddell> mindspit: I don't think I've heard of that problem
[12:37] <mindspit> well i was told so! the thing is that that i want to disable the fschk on bootup
[12:37] <mindspit> vim /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh ??
[12:38] <JohnFlux> mindspit: you mean fsck
[12:38] <JohnFlux> ?
[12:38] <mindspit> yes
[12:38] <mindspit> fsck.vfat
[12:38] <mindspit> i get the error onlyu for my fat32 partition
[12:39] <JohnFlux> mindspit: edit /etc/fstab
[12:39] <JohnFlux> mindspit: the very last number is whether to fsck on boot
[12:39] <JohnFlux> mindspit: well rather it's whether to not fsck
[12:39] <mindspit> a .... ok
[12:40] <mindspit> it is 1
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: for the fat32 partition, set it to 1
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: it is 1??
[12:40] <mindspit> so if i do it 0 it will not check it
[12:40] <JohnFlux> oh wait
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: yeah sorry
[12:40] <mindspit> yes it is
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: set to 0
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: 0 means skip
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: it is now
[12:40] <mindspit> ok thank you!
[12:41] <mindspit> thanks again!
[12:42] <mindspit> i appreciate your help .... sory for asking specificly you... i was told so!
[12:42] <mindspit> :)
[12:42] <JohnFlux> mindspit: np
[12:42] <mindspit> sorry for the disterbace! and my bad english!
[12:42] <JohnFlux> :)
[12:42] <mindspit> its very hot in greece these dayys!
[12:42] <JohnFlux> it's hot in england too at the moment
[12:43] <JohnFlux> well not today
[12:43] <JohnFlux> but yesterday
[12:43] <mindspit> i get it
[12:43] <mindspit> i hope that all of us will go to the beach this sammer
[12:43] <mindspit> and leave begind the linux stuff just for a momment
[12:43] <mindspit> :)
[12:44] <JohnFlux> mindspit: are you coming to ireland?
[12:44] <mindspit> no from greece
[12:44] <mindspit> so i am leaving now ... huppy again ... as huppy a ubuntu user can be!... a lot !
[12:45] <mindspit> anyway have you ever played arround with ISPconfig ?
[12:46] <NKjoep> there's any pppoeconfig grafical tool? :E
[12:46] <mindspit> i want to dissable the "pass asking " on each reboot
[12:47] <mindspit> i get an question for my password on boot up by apachectl
[12:47] <mindspit> "password asking dialog" it says
[12:52] <Tommy2k4> *** GLIB >= 1.2.6 not installed - please install GLIB first ***
[12:52] <Tommy2k4> whats the package called for glib 1.2.6
[01:20] <exceswater> hi all
[01:20] <exceswater> :D
[01:25] <NKjoep> HI ALL!
[01:25] <NKjoep> :)
[01:27] <DRY|KISS> NKjoep: do you speak dutch?
[01:27] <NKjoep> no DRY|KISS ...
[01:27] <NKjoep> why?
[01:27] <DRY|KISS> i thought so from the joep in your name
[01:28] <NKjoep> k :=
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> kde does some weird things (i think its kde's fault)
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> like when i mouseover items on the k-menu or other menus such as file/view etc
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> instead of highlighting the item it all blue it sometimes is like a broken highlight
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> cant really explain it
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> oo it done it there lets see if the screeny worked
[01:32] <Tommy2k4> grr why didnt it take a screeny :(
[01:32] <insanekane> broken highlight ?
[01:33] <Tommy2k4> is it possible to take a screeny without ksnapshot
[01:33] <insanekane> Tommy2k4: not really
[01:33] <Music^Hound> what's the name for the kernel headers
[01:34] <Music^Hound> ?
[01:34] <Tommy2k4> wth
[01:34] <insanekane> Tommy2k4: try using Print Screen (it starts ksnapshot)
[01:34] <insanekane> Music^Hound: sudo apt-cache search kernel
[01:35] <Tommy2k4> then is it possible to take a screeny without clicking the new screenshot button in ksnapshot
[01:35] <Tommy2k4> cos if i click that button i cant get the k-menu u
[01:35] <Tommy2k4> up*
[01:35] <insanekane> Tommy2k4: well, use the "Print Screen" button on the keyboard ... it starts ksnapshot which takes the snapshot when you pressed the button
[01:37] <Tommy2k4> ksnapshot is dumb
[01:37] <Tommy2k4> but i managed to get what i need
[01:38] <gioacchino> hello I am italian
[01:38] <gioacchino> &nick Gioacchino
[01:38] <omega> Why is ksnapshot dumb?
[01:39] <Tommy2k4> its impossible to get a screeny of k-menu
[01:39] <Tommy2k4> or so it seems
[01:39] <omega> Use a delay.
[01:43] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu crashed :s
[01:43] <Tommy2k4> again :@
[01:44] <Tommy2k4> lots of vertical multicolored lines for a few seconds, then monitor gives the error "attention - 31K / 0Hz - frequency is out of range"
[01:46] <Tommy2k4> like the 6th time its happened now
[01:46] <Tommy2k4> the past 2 were when taking a screeny, not sure bout the other times
[01:47] <Music^Hound> hmmm can't seem to get the proper linux headers for my kernel
[01:47] <omega> Sounds like your x server hasn't been configurated properly. Did you make sure to set the correct refresh rates for your monitor?
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> Which kernel are you running ?
[01:47] <omega> (horizontal and vertical)
[01:48] <Music^Hound> 2.6.15-23-386
[01:48] <Tommy2k4> pretty sure i did
[01:48] <SeanTater> Tommy2k4: next time try doing CTRL-ALT-F6 and see of a terminal comes up, it will help to see if it's X or the video card. Then do CTRL-ALT-F6 to get back to the windows environment you are used to, even though it's broken.
[01:48] <SeanTater> Tommy2k4: oops, windowed, not windows
[01:49] <Tommy2k4> ctrl alt f6 didnt come back to windowed
[01:49] <Tommy2k4> ctrl alt f7 did though
[01:49] <Tommy2k4> when i tried it there
[01:50] <Tommy2k4> hm
[01:51] <Tommy2k4> im sure this xorg.conf is different to when i edited it
[01:52] <Music^Hound> what kernel should I use on a amd athlon xp 2000+ ?
[01:52] <Tommy2k4> yea its different to the xorg.conf~
[01:52] <weihello> K&
[01:52] <weihello> K7
[01:53] <Music^Hound> linux-k7 so use this one ?
[01:54] <weihello> i think so.
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> install linux-headers-k7 and linux-image-k7 and linux-restricted-modules-k7
[01:54] <Music^Hound> ok
[01:55] <h3sp4wn> Check that there is a symlink from /usr/src/linux to the right headers
[01:56] <Music^Hound> how do I do that ?
[01:56] <weihello> if u use AMD chipset, update your kernel with k7
[01:56] <weihello> sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[01:57] <weihello> your computer is also 386 arch
[01:58] <Music^Hound> brb going to reboot
[02:00] <Raito> Starcraft on Wine works fine, except there is no sound. I also have sound problems with every other non-KDE app (which means I have sound problems with everything except kaffeine) Can anyone help me?
[02:02] <radone> i have configured firewall (guarddog) and after that I noticed that klog takes 99% of CPU
[02:02] <radone> And after disabling firewall it is still takes this amount of CPU resources.
[02:02] <radone> Please could anyone help me where the problem could be?
[02:07] <Pupeno_> Hello.
[02:08] <Raito> Raito: Are there any packages I need to have so that I don't have problems with non-KDE sound?
[02:24] <Jack1> hi, can someone help?
[02:24] <Jack1> i got a new lappie and want to transfer my kubuntu partitons to it with an live cd( windows already being on it)
[02:24] <Jack1> how would i do that?
[02:25] <visik7> dd ?
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> You would be better off just backing up the data then installing kubuntu and restoring your preferences (I think)
[02:26] <ZomMes> what do u guys suggest for a music player?
[02:26] <Jack1> there is an easier way i am sure..besides i configured so much...
[02:26] <emonkey> amaroK
[02:26] <ZomMes> (with kubuntu)
[02:26] <ZomMes> ok
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> dpkg-query -W (will give you a list of your installed packages)
[02:26] <ZomMes> and for video..? VLC?
[02:26] <Jack1> thats good yes
[02:27] <emonkey> ZomMes, I use VLC yes
[02:27] <Jack1> doesnt get you in so much codec-trouble
[02:27] <emonkey> jep
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: If you backup /home and /etc
[02:27] <ZomMes> thanks
[02:27] <Jack1> ok h3sp4wn
[02:27] <Jack1> how to mount it ?
[02:28] <Jack1> gparted?
[02:28] <ZomMes> what about xmms?
[02:28] <ZomMes> does it have a library?
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: How is it connected ?
[02:29] <Jack1> i would need to get an external harddrive
[02:29] <DeadS0ul> dappr feels so weird now, everytime i run apt-get upgrade * i only have about 2-3 updates if I'm lucky
[02:29] <Jack1> just one optical drive
[02:30] <Jack1> so no way live-cd and a dvd at same time
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: Can you get use a network connection on the old laptop ?
[02:30] <Jack1> maybe i could install a network between the two computers
[02:30] <Jack1> yes
[02:31] <Jack1> via samba?
[02:31] <Jack1> havent done that yet
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> You can just use scp and copy thru ssh
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> backup using tar
[02:31] <Jack1> could i use that cat 5 internet cable or buy like in windows the special cable
[02:32] <Jack1> with the crossd wires
[02:32] <ZomMes> how do I remove my scanned collection and make a new one, with amaroK?
[02:33] <ZomMes> sorry, already found it
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: Can you burn cd's on the old laptop ?
[02:33] <Jack1> but if i do that h3sp4wn how would i install grub and the dualboot thing?
[02:33] <Jack1> yes i can
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> That will be done automatically by the installer (does windows take up the whole disk at the moment)
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> kgparted should be able to resize the partition
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> (if necessary) - The installer will install grub automatically
[02:36] <Jack1> but burning to cd of the os is no use right because the only optical drive would be used by the livecd
[02:36] <Raito> How do you download other sound drivers? I think that is my problem. I need ALSA and OSS
[02:36] <Jack1> so i need usb or network right?
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I would just install it normally (check the packages that you have installed install them) then restore /home (which I would backup to cd which could be used after the installation)
[02:37] <xst> After upgrading to dapper my firefox has begun freeze quite often. I think it might have something to do with flash usage cause e.g. youtube.com freezes very often, while non-flash sites have less potential to freeze. Has anyone experienced the same increase in freezes? And how do I fix it?
[02:38] <geekoe> hi, I'm missing /lib/iptables/ip6t_REJECT.so in the iptables package... is it missing for security reasons? I don't want to compile the iptables package for myself, as I don't want to compile it new when an update gets out
[02:38] <Jack1> are in home preferences like kicker, menus, applets stored too?
[02:39] <Jack1> bTW my partitioning was so neat..now i'd need do all again
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: tar czf /tmp/home-backup.tar.gz /home/ (That gives you one file with the whole of /home in it) those preferances will be in /home/yourusername/.kde
[02:40] <Jack1> ok
[02:40] <Jack1> thanky u much
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> Then you could burn that to cd and extract it on the new computer (or use a network)
[02:42] <Raito> How do you download other sound drivers? I think that is my problem. I need ALSA and OSS. (I got libsdl1.2debian-all) But that doesn't seem to work (i had it all along) Do I need to do anything to set it up?
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> alsa and oss is in main you shouldn't need to do anything to set it u[
[02:44] <Raito> h3sp4wn: would there be another reason why I have problems with all non-KDE sound?
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> Raito: What problems ?
[02:44] <Jack1> what is ideal in partitioning? doing it right now.. /, /home, swap?
[02:44] <Jack1> or swap right after /?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Jack1: yeah, a separate /home partition
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I usually have /boot first
[02:44] <Hobbsee> swap at the end, usually
[02:45] <Jack1> so /1., then /home 2., then swap 3.? all on an extended partition?, yes boot causes probs sometimes
[02:46] <Jack1> then /usr 4. , /var 5.?
[02:46] <Raito> h3sp4wn: No sound in Starcraft (wine) and XMame, also with supertux and zsnes sometimes the sound is super loud and unaffected by kmix, other times extreemly quiet and also unaffected by kmix and sometimes it is affected by kmix but zsnes' sound is extreemly fuzzy then.
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I would have about 100mb /boot, / about half the space /home the other half (except save about twice your ram for swap)
[02:48] <Jack1> but the order was right yeah?
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> Raito: I disable artsd (because the kde sounds just irritate me) use alsamixer or envy24control to set volume
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> Ratio: Try setting the sound in zsnes to 44.1k (from 32.xk)
[02:49] <Raito> h3sp4wn: same problems with alsamixer, how do you disable artsd? might help, (but would kaffeine still work then?)
[02:49] <Chameleon22> i want to use a local imap server as an email backup storage - can anyone suggest pkgs i need for ubuntu server to set it up (to avoid googling like crazzy) plz...
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Everything will work except you won't get the kde sounds (amarok / kaffeine will be fine)
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Sounds and Multimedia -> sound system then untick enable the soundsystem
[02:50] <Raito> ok
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Any reason why you use xmame over advancemame ?
[02:51] <Raito> h3sp4wn: never heard of advancemame
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Its based on mame but alot easier to compile (and the dapper mame is quite out of date now) config files are easier to understand as well
[02:53] <dutch> morning
[02:54] <Raito> h3sp4wn: did you say anything? I might have not gotten it. Anyways even if I disable artsd I still have the same problems what should I do>
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Have you done that ?
[02:54] <Raito> h3sp4wn: I disabled artsd
[02:55] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Have you reconfigured zsnes to use 44100 instead of 33200 ?
[02:55] <Raito> Ah, I'll try that
[02:56] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Its in the sound setup section (I know my card doesn't like 32000 without sounding terrible) are you using the WIP build of zsnes or the really old version in dapper (SDL support has improved tremendously since 1.42 was released)
[02:57] <Raito> h3sp4wn: using 1.42 (dapper package) and when I put it to 44100 it is extreemly fuzzy
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Did you restart zsnes after changing it ?
[02:57] <weihello> can starcraft run with wine support?
[02:57] <Raito> yes
[02:58] <weihello> i should have win system?
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Try http://files.ipherswipsite.com/zsnes/ZSNESS_0527.tar.bz2 (remove the dapper package) if you need any help compiling it I will help you
[02:58] <Jack1> what actually means bootflag on /off?
[02:59] <Jack1> should i turn all off?
[02:59] <weihello> i got message : wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\startcraft.exe": Module not found
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: It doesn't make any difference if grub is in the mbr (If you are using /boot make that partition active) I don't think you need partitions for /var or /usr
[02:59] <Raito> h3sp4wn: no thanks, I tried compiling zsnes, it was tough, I think I should try to fix up sound because I have sound problems with every non-KDE app. Someone said somethin about ALSA settings
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> Raito: I can tell you the packages you need to compile it (zsnes and xmame are not really representative applications to use - especially as zsnes is mainly x86 assembler)