[05:33] <Kilos> morning alphad  octoquad  and other za peeps
[05:41] <barrydk> More almal
[05:42] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[06:41] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:41] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[07:21] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[08:21] <Squirm> Morning
[08:25] <Squirm> does anyone know if I can use a variable as a default value in jinja2 ? Like {{ my_var | default(my_default_var)}}
[08:27] <Squirm> and I got an answer to my question :)
[08:28] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[08:28] <Squirm> 'lo Kilos
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[09:07] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:08] <Kilos> hello drussell
[09:25] <drussell> Kilos: yo! :oD
[09:56] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[10:26] <Kilos> ohi Neo31
[11:46] <Neo31> ohio Kilos :p hh
[11:48] <melodie> o/
[12:07] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[12:07] <SDCDev> sorry been working :O
[12:08] <Kilos> np
[12:15] <mazal> Lo everyone
[12:15] <Kilos> hi mazal
[12:15] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[12:15] <Kilos> goed dankie en self?
[12:16] <mazal> Raasie baie nie , lekker lui op die oomblik , Vrydag :)
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:18]  * mazal sees is archiving is 2 weeks behind :P
[12:18]  * mazal makes note
[12:18]  * mazal puts note where he won't see it
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:19] <melodie> mazal what about a kanboard? http://kanboard.net/
[12:20] <mazal> Uhm.....that will remind me of the work that needs be done
[12:20] <mazal> Notes better , disapear and don't need to do the work lol :)
[12:21] <melodie> XD
[12:22] <mazal> On Fridays I use notes and open window wind for some "air" :)
[12:22] <mazal> wide even
[12:24] <melodie> so you send the work to be done to the universe, right?
[12:24] <melodie> :p
[12:24] <mazal> Indeed
[12:43] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice weekend. God bless
[16:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:50]  * Squirm lewks around
[16:50] <Squirm> How is everyone?
[17:20] <Kilos> we alive Squirm  and you?
[18:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:36] <inetpro> ai!
[19:43] <superfly> what now inetpro?
[19:43] <inetpro> superfly: Kilos sleeping early today :-)
[19:43] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[20:06] <inetpro> superfly: how are you doing?
[20:26] <superfly> inetpro: not too bad, and yourself?
[20:26] <inetpro> good good thanks


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 Its fairly involved.. you usually have to use a proxy like squid or something like class based queueing
[00:11] <\Master\Pehden\> so i can make update use export into squid with in itself?
[00:12] <SpamapS> \Master\Pehden\: you would setup squid to limit bandwidth, and then tell apt-get to download via squid.
[00:13] <\Master\Pehden\> is there anything with the steps needed. i really need this
[00:13] <\Master\Pehden\> im on limited total bandwith
[00:14] <SpamapS> \Master\Pehden\: google shows this http://knowlinux.blogspot.com/2006/04/bandwidth-throttling-using-squid.html .. but I have not read it or tried it
[00:15] <\Master\Pehden\> alright ill check this out, i ask if you knew, mainly if you already have done this type of setup
[00:23] <\P> alright ill check this out, i ask if you knew, mainly if you already have done this type of setup
[00:23] <\P> kids turned off modem on me
[00:23] <\P> so i get to start the updates over
[00:42] <\P> spamaps   here an issue
[00:42] <\P> acl superusers src <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:42] <\P> acl mynetwork src <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>
[00:42] <\P> my lan is <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:59] <hggdh> Daviey: ^
[01:14] <genii-around> Odd issue. issuing: links2 -g -enable-javascript 1 loads fine ( using directfb). After exiting however, no text can typed in tty0 and tty1 although alt-F# works to change ttys
[01:20] <genii-around> No text appears in tty1 and tty2, rather, not tty0
[01:24] <genii-around> Interesting. Ctrl-Z works to regain the ttys. But I'm wondering now why this is happening.
[02:07] <drag0nius> why there is both dhcp and dhcp3 folder on ubuntu server?
[02:08] <patdk-lap> cause you upgraded :)
[02:08] <drag0nius> i think its still using dhcp
[02:08] <patdk-lap> no
[02:08] <patdk-lap> it's now using dhcp :)
[02:08] <patdk-lap> dhcp3 is old
[02:08] <patdk-lap> dhcp == dhcp4
[02:08] <drag0nius> ohh
[03:38] <basil_> Hi I'm trying to install mod_security on Ubuntu 11.10, and I've done the apt- install thing. But the tutorial asks me to compile it, but I don't know what directory it installed to. How do I work that out?
[03:44] <holstein> basil_: you should be able to look and see what command ran
[03:45] <holstein> you can link the tutorial and i'll see if i can make sense of it
[03:47] <basil_> This was the cmd - $ sudo apt-get install automake g++ apache2-threaded-dev dpkg-dev libxml2 libxml2-dev
[03:47] <basil_> tutorial - http://darrynvt.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/how-to-install-mod_security-apache2-ubuntu-11-10/
[03:47] <holstein> basil_: that just installs those
[03:47] <holstein> basil_: that doesnt compile anything (by hand)
[03:48] <basil_> OK...must have skipped a bit - saw the apt-get things
[03:48] <holstein> basil_: apt-get is a way of managing pacakges from the repos.. you can use apt to install them
[03:50] <holstein> basil_: from that page "Now that the mod_security binary is installed in your Apache 2 modules folder"
[03:51] <holstein> basil_: the apt-get install command is installing dependencies, tools, etc...
[03:53] <basil_> got it under control now... tahnks for the advice
[04:00] <basil_> I went to create a security2.load in the mods-available directory, by opening gedit, and pasting in (I'm not very good a CL (or Linux)), and it comes back with could not save the file - permissions
[04:13] <basil_> Hi I'm trying to copy files from my downloaded modsecurity directory to /etc/apache2/modsecurity_crs and I get an error cannot stat - suggestions about what I'm doing wrong please?
[04:14] <basil_> I'm using sudo cp -R Downloads/modsecurity-apache_2.5.12 /rules/*.conf /etc/apache2/modsecurity_crs
[06:00] <basil_> hi is it possible to ban an IP in Apache2 on Ubuntu11.1?
[06:02] <jmarsden> basil_: Why not use iptables (or your firewall router) to block that IP from accessing all services, not just from Apache2 ?
[06:02] <basil_> hadn't thought of it, and never used iptables before
[06:02] <basil_> are iptable configurable with a GUI?
[07:12] <rawfodog> I have a headless ubuntu server machine. All is good, except that when I reboot it, I need to enter my LVM encryption pass to mount the drive. Can this been done automatically ? Or can I do this via ssh ?
[07:13] <rawfodog> its the primary drive
[08:51] <tightwork> I have set in preeseed d-i   netcfg/choose_interface select auto yet the  install continues to halt at configure network asking to configure eth0 and wlan0 ? I am trying to build auto installer
[11:20] <drag0nius> where would one install server applications?
[11:22] <RoyK> drag0nius: custom stuff?
[11:22] <drag0nius> teamspeak 3/utorrent servers
[11:22] <drag0nius> so ye quite custom
[11:23] <RoyK> usually /usr/local or /opt
[11:23] <RoyK> drag0nius: have you looked at mumble? good, open teamspeak replacement ;)
[11:24] <drag0nius> dont think friends would like idea of changing client :P
[11:24] <drag0nius> im doing some quick-start backup of everything on my server
[11:24] <drag0nius> wanna put stuff proper way when its installed
[11:43] <drag0nius> in dhcpd.conf can i put static ip outside of range?
[11:45] <drag0nius> like range is *.101 - *.150 and i set static to *.100
[12:17] <Patty_2> Hallo guys, a simple question, I have been playing around with 2 Ubuntu servers lately and a strange thing happen  when i add PS1="\[\e[1;33m\][\u@\h \W]\$\[\e[0m\]" to the .bashrc to change the color of my bash prompt. The bash prompt of server 1 becomes dark yellow, whil e on light yellow on server 2. How can this be? i am not typing anything different??? thanks for suggestions
[12:56] <cluelessperson> What's a simple email server to use?
[13:02] <cluelessperson> ?
[13:02] <cluelessperson> Rather, since I've asked that before.  What's the best way to set up a small email server?   Nothing large, very few users.
[13:10] <RoyK> !email
[13:10] <RoyK> hm
[13:12] <RoyK> cluelessperson: I think the "preferred" way is dovecot, but I find that rather strange. I've used courier and cyrus - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[13:12] <RoyK> anyway - you can use either
[13:12] <cluelessperson> RoyK:  I keep running into things that are very difficult for me to implement.
[13:13] <RoyK> setting up a mail server is not very difficult
[13:13] <cluelessperson> RoyK: I would figure.
[13:13] <cluelessperson> RoyK: Courier makes it so you don't have to have users installed on the system? :P
[13:13] <RoyK> read the docs I pointed to
[13:14] <RoyK> both courier and cyrus, I think, can be setup that way, I guess dovecot too, perhaps
[13:14]  * RoyK is lazy and uses zimbra
[13:14] <cluelessperson> RoyK: I think I'll attempt your way, I'll start now
[13:15] <RoyK> if you want to use zimbra, you need a dedicated machine or vm
[13:15] <RoyK> it'll be all messed up if you install it together with other stuff
[13:16] <cluelessperson> RoyK: Why is that?  You can't install/run zimbra with basic lamp?
[13:16] <RoyK> no, you can't
[13:16] <RoyK> just beleive me on that ;)
[13:16] <cluelessperson> RoyK: What's zimbra?
[13:17] <RoyK> what is google?
[13:18] <cluelessperson> RoyK: So I believe you that it needs to be isolated, but why is that?
[13:19] <RoyK> it's a full set with apache, postfix, a bunch of java stuff and all
[13:19] <RoyK> just beleive me, ok?
[13:20] <cluelessperson> RoyK: I do believe you, that just sounds... painful
[13:21] <RoyK> it's not, if you just setup a separate VM and install it there
[13:21] <RoyK> then it just works
[13:44] <cluelessperson> RoyK: I'm running my server within a VM
[13:47] <cluelessperson> RoyK: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[13:47] <RoyK> that will work too
[13:47] <cluelessperson> RoyK:  under "Setting up Postfix" I don't understand what it's telling me to do there?
[13:48] <cluelessperson> Those parameters aren't defined in that file yet, am I supposed to add them? ;_;
[13:48] <RoyK> it says so
[13:48] <RoyK> $ sudo editor /etc/postfix/main.cf
[13:49] <cluelessperson> RoyK: I'm just confirming on the terminology.  It was following a language scheme, the sudden lack of "add this to this"  threw me.
[13:50]  * RoyK confirms cluelessperson has a fitting nick
[13:51] <cluelessperson> RoyK: I'm following its instructions
[13:52] <cluelessperson> RoyK: I mean, wtf do you mean that I have a fitting nick?
[14:15] <patdk-lap> royk, your so much nicer than #postfix
[14:15] <patdk-lap> they would say, use gmail or some other provider for email
[14:53] <Niel> who can help me with setting up routing for OpenVPN?
[14:55] <ikonia> Niel: you need to give info if you want people to help
[14:55] <ikonia> you where just told that in #ubuntu and don't seem to have grasped it
[14:56] <Niel> Well, I got all my ports open on my VPS, but only applications on the server-side can use the ports, if a client for example starts a minecraft server on port 25565 it won't open on the VPN, and I want the ports to open.
[14:58] <ikonia> what do you mean "it won't open on the vpn"
[14:58] <Niel> the ports don't open on the vpn if the client uses a port
[14:58] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[14:58] <Niel> vpn
[14:58] <ikonia> you use a VPN to make a connection to a server on a specific port
[14:58] <ikonia> you are then on that network
[14:58] <ikonia> you don't use the vpn to open specific ports
[14:58] <Niel> yes
[14:59] <Niel> i know that
[14:59] <Niel> but I want the user of the VPN to be able to use a port from the VPS
[14:59] <ikonia> right, so what have you done to validate the port is not available ?
[15:00] <qman__> you would have to create a new rule, on the fly, to forward the desired port to a given VPN client
[15:00] <Niel> I tried canyouseeme etc, but my host says all the ports are open
[15:00] <qman__> that's not part of any built in functionality
[15:00] <ikonia> the vpn has nothing to do with open ports, it just connects you to that network
[15:00] <qman__> and that has nothing to do with VPN
[15:01] <qman__> it'd be the same on your home network
[15:01] <ikonia> if your network is not open - you need to address that at what ever is blocking your network's level/device
[15:01] <Niel> if you connect to the VPN, you have another IP, then I want to accept an incoming connection through that IP on port 25565
[15:02] <qman__> from where
[15:02] <ikonia> Niel: if the network is open as you say, that will happen
[15:02] <Niel> yes, but it doesn't happen
[15:02] <qman__> from the internet, or from other VPN clients
[15:02] <ikonia> Niel: then it's not open
[15:02] <Niel> i created an iptables rule for it
[15:02] <ikonia> Niel: then it's not open
[15:02] <Niel> if i move the apache port to 25565 it does say it's open
[15:03] <ikonia> what says it's open ?
[15:03] <Niel> canyouseeme.org
[15:03] <ikonia> Niel: ok, so what's listening on port 25565 when apache is not ?
[15:03] <Niel> the server
[15:03] <ikonia> what server
[15:03] <Niel> the minecraft server on the windows pc
[15:04] <ikonia> what application is listening on 25565
[15:04] <ikonia> Niel: no, the server on your PC does not listen on the remote servers port
[15:04] <ikonia> Niel: the remote server must have something listening on it locally
[15:04] <ikonia> otherwise there is nothing to connect to
[15:04] <Niel> how can I fix it then
[15:04] <qman__> or be NATting that port to something else
[15:04] <ikonia> Niel: make an application (like apache) listen on the port
[15:04] <Niel> i have routing disabled in OpenVPN panel, does it have something to do with that?
[15:04] <qman__> or, you know, run the minecraft server on your server on the internet
[15:05] <ikonia> Niel: that way the client (your windows PC) has something to connect to
[15:07] <Niel> I want this: The windows pc hosts a minecraft server and is connected to the VPS (openvpn), and when someone tries to join the minecraft server it connects to the IP from the VPN on port 25565
[15:09] <Niel> is that possible?
[15:09] <qman__> what do they connect to when they join the minecraft server
[15:10] <qman__> and where are they connecting from
[15:10] <Niel> the IP from the VPS ( OpenVPN )
[15:10] <Niel> and from a windows PC
[15:10] <qman__> no, from the internet, or as other VPN clients
[15:10] <lordievader> Niel: There is no possibility to run the Minecraft server on the VPS?
[15:10] <Niel> i use the vps as VPN
[15:10] <qman__> lordievader, that's the right way to do it, but I guess he's dead set
[15:11] <lordievader> Niel: It's not set in stone that the VPS can only do VPS, it can also host your game.
[15:11] <Niel> I don't want the server to be hosted on the vps
[15:11] <Niel> i just want to use the ip to host the minecraft server
[15:12] <lordievader> Kind of silly to throw everything though a tunnel..
[15:12] <Niel> mmh
[15:12] <Niel> but its possible right?
[15:12] <qman__> in theory, probably too slow to actually use
[15:13] <Niel> I just want to know how to do it
[15:13] <qman__> there's a second problem
[15:13] <qman__> your windows PC needs to know to route traffic to the internet through the VPN
[15:13] <Niel> I have the VPN setup and I can browse the internet through the VPN
[15:14] <qman__> so for this setup to work, your windows PC must send all its internet traffic through the VPN, not just the minecraft server's
[15:14] <Niel> it's just the ports that are a problem
[15:14] <Niel> i know
[15:14] <Niel> i want the traffic to go through the vpn
[15:14] <Niel> i need to open the port 25565, so that the client can use the port
[15:15] <qman__> it is open
[15:15] <qman__> what you need to do is NAT it to your windows PC
[15:15] <Niel> I have this option from the OpenVPN panel:
[15:15] <qman__> I don't know what this openVPN panel is
[15:15] <qman__> but this has nothing to do with openVPN
[15:15] <Niel> Routing Should VPN clients have access to private subnets (non-public networks on the server side)?
[15:16] <Niel> then i have
[15:16] <Niel> 3 option: no, yes-using NAT, and Yes-using routing
[15:16] <qman__> completely different, nothing to do with this
[15:17] <Niel> the traffic already goes through the vpn
[15:17] <Niel> i'm connected to the VPN, i start my minecraft server on port 25565, and then i check if the port is open and it says closed
[15:17] <qman__> that's because you haven't set up the port forward
[15:18] <Niel> on my vps?
[15:18] <qman__> yes
[15:18] <Niel> but all ports are open, i asked my host to open them all
[15:18] <qman__> again
[15:18] <qman__> nothing to do with this
[15:18] <lordievader> Niel: But not forwarded to the internet.
[15:18] <qman__> the port IS open, but it's not forwarded
[15:18] <Niel> oh
[15:18] <Niel> i get it
[15:18] <Niel> so i forward it with iptables?
[15:18] <qman__> yes
[15:19] <Niel> what if i disable iptables?
[15:19] <qman__> then you will have no rules
[15:19] <qman__> and no forward
[15:19] <qman__> and probably no VPN
[15:19] <Niel> and how do i port forward all ports if that is possible
[15:20] <qman__> it's not
[15:20] <qman__> stuff won't work if you do that
[15:20] <qman__> you only need to forward one port, 25565
[15:20] <Niel> ok
[15:21] <Niel> i think i disabled iptables with ufw
[15:21] <Niel> do you know how to enable it?
[15:21] <qman__> there is no disable/enable, iptables is compiled into the kernel
[15:21] <qman__> you can only either have rules, or not have rules
[15:21] <Niel> sudo ufw disable
[15:21] <qman__> ufw isn't iptables, it's a front end
[15:22] <qman__> and ufw can't do port forwarding (at least not last I checked)
[15:22] <Niel> root@niel:~# sudo ufw enable Command may disrupt existing ssh connections. Proceed with operation (y|n)? y ERROR: problem running ufw-init
[15:22] <Niel> how do i re enable
[15:22] <qman__> don't
[15:22] <Niel> oh, can I leave it disabled?
[15:23] <Niel> is there a command to reset iptables to it's standard settings
[15:24] <Niel> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 25565 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT <- is this the command to port forward?
[15:24] <ikonia> this whole concept is flawed
[15:28] <qman__> no
[15:28] <qman__> to set up the port forward, you will need several rules, and your client will have to have a static IP on the VPN
[15:28] <qman__> and that rule is not one of them
[15:29] <Niel> lol this will never work
[15:32] <ikonia> correct, it's a very bad idea
[15:34] <Niel> i need it to work though
[15:34] <ikonia> I'd like time travel to work
[15:35] <Niel> well this is something that is possible
[15:35] <ikonia> Niel: I think you need to address your requirements
[15:35] <ikonia> it's a very bad idea
[15:35] <Niel> I just want to use the IP and open ports
[15:35] <lordievader> Niel: Host the Minecraft server on the VPS.
[15:36] <ikonia> why not just use open DNS and get people to connect directly to your laptop
[15:36] <ikonia> doing this over the VPN is wrong
[15:36] <Niel> ive seen vpn providers that give you an option in the control panel to open a port on the VPN
[15:36] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with an "open port"
[15:36] <Niel> port forward
[15:36] <ikonia> then use one of those vps providers if you feel it's the right thing to do
[15:36] <ikonia> it's the wrong thing to do
[15:36] <Niel> I bought the vps for VPN, not for hosting games, and it doesn't have enough ram for a gameserver
[15:37] <Niel> it's not only for game servers
[15:37] <lordievader> Niel: Then do as ikonia says.
[15:37] <ikonia> you bought a vps just to do vpn...but you didn't buy one of the ones that offer the solution you want
[15:37] <ikonia> you bought one which doesn't have the port forwarding option you want
[15:38] <Niel> well i didn't know it was that hard to setup
[15:38] <Niel> and can do more with a vps than just a vpn
[15:38] <ikonia> then host the game
[15:39] <Niel> it's not powerfull enough
[15:39] <ikonia> then get one that is
[15:39] <Niel> lol no, i want to use it as VPN and be able to accept incoming connections through a port, like port 80, but then for 25565
[15:40] <ikonia> then set that up
[15:40] <ikonia> it's a terrible idea, but set it up
[15:40] <Niel> why do you think i'm here...
[15:40] <Niel> cause i don't know how
[15:40] <ikonia> ##netfilter for IP tables rules help
[15:40] <ikonia> the guys in there will give you specific rules
[15:40] <Niel> ok
[15:41] <Niel> how do i join that channel i'm new to irc lol
[15:41] <ikonia> they will also hassle you that what you are doing is a bad idea
[15:41] <ikonia> plus you could just use opendns and setup a direct connection to your PC
[15:41] <Niel> oh click it
[15:41] <Niel> i don't want to use my ip
[15:41] <ikonia> Niel: you joined this channel from #ubuntu - so I know you know how
[15:41] <Niel> no i just closed irc and opened again
[15:41] <ikonia> but you are forwarding them to your IP
[15:42] <ikonia> Niel: you didn't if you open irc it doesn't default to this channel
[15:42] <Niel> it asks me what channel to join
[15:42] <lordievader> Niel: /join ##netfilter
[15:42] <Niel> thx
[15:42] <ikonia> it's #netfilter
[15:42] <ikonia> sorry , my mistake
[15:42] <Niel> ok
[15:43] <ikonia> not ##netfitler, #netfitler
[15:43] <ikonia> FYI: you're giving away your IP now <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:43] <Niel> so i just ask there who can help me setup port forwarding on ubuntu server?
[15:43] <lordievader> I can't spell :(
[15:43] <Niel> yes, i know
[15:43] <ikonia> if it's that close a guarded secret you may want to take action on giving your IP out to thousands of users
[15:43] <Niel> my ip changes every hour
[15:44] <ikonia> Niel: just explain your iptables problem to #netfilter
[15:44] <ikonia> Niel: so what's the problem giving it out to join directly ?
[15:44] <ikonia> if it changes every hour
[15:44] <ikonia> (which it doesn't
[15:44] <Niel> it does
[15:44] <Niel> idk why, ask my provider ;)
[15:44] <ikonia> well, you've been in here and #ubuntu for 1 hour exactly
[15:44] <ikonia> it's not changed
[15:44] <Niel> whatever
[15:44] <ikonia> yeah, "whatever"
[15:45] <lordievader> They wouldn't, ipv4 is already running low, your isp doesn't have enough addresses to give another each hour.
[15:45] <ikonia> I'm only trying to help you by giving you good information to correct the miss-information you have
[15:45] <Niel> well thanks, i already got alot of help here.
[15:46] <Niel>  == Cannot send to channel: #Netfilter
[15:47] <ikonia> !register | Niel
[15:47] <ikonia> Niel: the guys in #freenode channel can help you register
[16:28] <Pinguin123> Hello.
[16:29] <Pinguin123> I just upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 on my terminal server.
[16:29] <Pinguin123> I got an error during the upgrade of GRUB.
[16:30] <Pinguin123> Is this the correct channel to ask for help?
[16:31] <RoyK> Pinguin123: just ask
[16:31] <RoyK> !ask | Pinguin123
[16:41] <Pinguin123> My /boot is mounted on a mirroring raid of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. The rest of the hard-disk is is also in RAID as /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 and part of an LVM-setup. My backup HD is /dev/sdc. During the upgrade I got the following error: GRUB failed to install to the following devices: /dev/sda  /dev/sdb Do you want to continue anyway? If you do, your computer may not start up properly.  Writing GRUB to boot device failed - continue? After this I
[16:41] <Pinguin123> got the option to select where I would like to install GRUB: /dev/sda (1000204 MB; SAMSUNG_HD103SJ),  /dev/sdb (1000204 MB; SAMSUNG_HD103SJ) /dev/sdc (250000 MB; WDC_WD2500JS-75N) /dev/dm-0 (64424 MB; vgpasen-slash). After selecting one of /dev/sda or /dev/sdb I get the error message /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Your core.img is unusually large.  It won't fit in the embedding area..  /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this
[16:41] <Pinguin123> is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume. I tried as an alternative GRUB-legacy, but isntalling this also gave errors. As a last resort I now attempt to use LILO. Installing this with the "boot = /dev/md6" (/dev/md6 is /dev/sda1 en /dev/sdb1 in raid) and "raid-extra-boot = mbr-only" options in lilo.conf. This generated the following output: sudo lilo -v 	Using BIOS device code 0x80 for RAID boot blocks Reading boot sector
[16:41] <Pinguin123> from /dev/md6 Using MENU secondary loader Calling map_insert_data Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-41-generic Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-41-generic The initial RAM disk will be loaded in the high memory above 16M.  Added Linux  +  * Reading boot sector from /dev/sda /boot/boot.0800 exists - no boot sector backup copy made.  The Master boot record of  /dev/sda  has been updated.  Reading boot sector from /dev/sdb Warning: /dev/sdb is
[16:41] <Pinguin123> not on the first disk /boot/boot.0810 exists - no boot sector backup copy made.  The Master boot record of  /dev/sdb  has been updated.  One warning was issued. 	It seems to me that I should now be able to safely reboot, is this correct?
[16:42] <Pinguin123> Sorry for the multiline, I formatted the question as a single-line one in VIM.
[16:44] <RoyK> Pinguin123: that's ok - noone can say if the system will boot up correctly if grub gives that error, but you can try. if it fails, you need console access and perhaps a CD or a usb plug with the 12.04 installer
[16:45] <metalball> Hey everyone, got a question about ubuntu-server and VirtualBox
[16:46] <metalball> after cloning a VM with installed ubuntu-server, the distro hangs on boot with network messages: "Waiting for network configuration..." and then "Waiting for 60 seconds more..."
[16:46] <metalball> after that it logs in without eth0
[16:46] <metalball> only lo interface
[16:46] <metalball> when commenting eth0 lines from /etc/network/interfaces, distro boots faster, but still without eth0
[16:46] <Pinguin123> RoyK: installing it from the 12.04 installer will fix it?
[16:46] <metalball> I guess that happens because the MAC of the ethernet device changes, but I have no idea how to "sync" the distro with the new ethernet
[16:47] <RoyK> Pinguin123: no, but you can probably fix grub manually after booting the fix mode from the server install cd
[16:47] <RoyK> metalball: wierd - I've installed ubuntu on vbox a few dozen times without issues
[16:48] <metalball> RoyK: the original installation is doing fine, and the clones also, until I'm changing the MAC for the network device, to get IP from router
[16:48] <RoyK> metalball: oh
[16:48] <RoyK> that's common
[16:49] <RoyK> vi /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[16:49] <RoyK> and remove the config there
[16:49] <RoyK> debian/ubuntu links the MAC address to ethX
[16:50] <metalball> RoyK: mm, so if I'll delete the file, the distro will rebuild on boot? or I have to manually match the MACs?
[16:50] <RoyK> yes
[16:50] <RoyK> it'll rebuild it
[16:51] <metalball> cool, I'll try
[16:51] <RoyK> haven't tried removing it, though, just removing the config in it
[16:52] <metalball> well, it's safe to remove :)
[16:52] <metalball> it's rebuilding the file
[16:52] <metalball> awesome
[16:55] <metalball> RoyK: thank you very much
[16:55] <RoyK> np
[18:52] <daniellog_> Hey, I was wondering if there is some script or something to allow my housemates to download nzb's from nzbmatrix without giving them my login details or me having to do it? like some automated system
[19:01] <nemo_nihil> anyone here that could help me with nohup?
[19:03] <nemo_nihil> i am trying to run $sudo su -l www-data -c nohup [command] and I keep getting the error "nohup: missing operand"
[19:03] <nemo_nihil> but it works if I move the nohup [command] to the next line
[19:06] <qman__> don't sudo su
[19:06] <nemo_nihil> how do i do it then?
[19:06] <qman__> read sudo's manual and find out which switches are right for your purpose
[19:07] <qman__> sudo su is bad practice
[19:07] <qman__> and could very well be why what you're doing isn't working
[19:07] <qman__> use sudo or su, not both at once
[19:07] <qman__> also, your nohup command probably needs to be in quotes
[19:10] <nemo_nihil> thanks for the help qman__
[19:10] <nemo_nihil> i need it to be 'nohup [command]'
[19:11] <qman__> using sudo su is like doing "sudo sudo" or su -c "su"
[19:11] <qman__> you'd never do that because it's silly
[19:11] <qman__> and unnecessarily complicates things
[19:12] <nemo_nihil> ok, i will try to simplify that as well
[20:13] <hggdh> Daviey: there?
[20:19] <daniellog> Hi, I can't get sabnzbd to start at boot on ubuntu server 12.04, anyone had this issue?
[20:43] <daniellog> Hi, I can't get sabnzbd to start at boot on ubuntu server 12.04, anyone had this issue?
[20:46] <daniellog> hello?
[20:49] <Daviey> hggdh: hey
[20:50] <guntbert> daniellog: we hear you :)
[20:51] <daniellog> Awesome :P just trying to make sure the init.d script is executable, but all i did was a simple apt-get install :S
[20:53] <hggdh> Daviey: bug 1066556 -- care to have a look and decide on importance?
[20:53] <daniellog> nope, still won't start at boot :S
[20:54] <Daviey> hggdh: To confirm, you rebooted first, right
[20:54] <Daviey> ?
[20:56] <Daviey> roaksoax: see ^^ :(
[20:58] <hggdh> Daviey: when selected via the isntaller, I logged in the system ater installing
[20:58] <hggdh> Daviey: when installed manually after system installed, I just used maas
[21:00] <daniellog> ok, got it to work, but I've had to do USER=root in the /etc/defaults/sabnzbd
[21:00] <daniellog> which probably isn't the best thing to do
[21:02] <Daviey> hggdh: yes, but you rebooted out of the installer first, right?
[21:03] <hggdh> Daviey: well, you *have* to, right? I never seen an installer not to end in a reboot...
[21:04] <hggdh> Daviey: so, is this a candidate for a respin?
[21:06] <Daviey> hggdh: most certainly
[21:07] <hggdh> Daviey: marking it in the pad
[21:07] <Daviey> hggdh: just done
[21:08] <hggdh> ack
[21:42] <hggdh> Daviey: the one bare-metal I have available for maas commisioning is refusing to netboot. My only hope is virsh, but I do not know how to do it
[22:25] <roaksoax> Daviey pibg
[22:27] <Titomen> i need some guidance...before i do the hard work of reinstalling everything i need to understand why on the md0 i cannot add sdb1..please help http://picpaste.com/2012-10-14_18-23-44_705-hC9Bf3pX.jpg
[22:29] <ajmitch> Titomen: you're trying to add dev/sdb1, not /dev/sdb1
[22:33] <Titomen> ajmitch: didnt you rigth the same thing twice..or i am not seeing..please help
[22:33] <ajmitch> Titomen: note the lack of /
[22:33] <Titomen> you mean i need to add a coma ,
[22:34] <ajmitch> no
[22:34] <Titomen> i see the /
[22:34] <Titomen> let me try..thanks
[22:35] <Titomen> with or without the / does the same?
[22:36] <Titomen> what else can i try?


[00:26] <Sarvatt> RAOF: bored? want to try testing out a plymouth change to see if fixes it? wish i could still reproduce it :( it'll show up here - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/bugfixes
[00:27] <RAOF> I'll give it a whirl next time I reboot.
[00:30] <Sarvatt> i just changed it to stop resetting the ISIG flag on plymouth's VT. i think our gdm/plymouth integration stuff is screwing up with that because its using the same VT
[00:42] <superm1> Sarvatt, and here i thought i was crazy that I was crashing X by hitting enter on my terminals the other day :)
[02:12] <johanbr> hi... what could be the problem if nouveau says "(EE) [drm] failed to open device" ?
[02:12] <johanbr> this is on lucid + xorg-edgers, completely updated
[02:14] <Sarvatt> did you boot the 2.6.32-14 kernel?
[02:15] <johanbr> yep
[02:15] <johanbr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/382674/ for X log
[02:16] <johanbr> uname -a
[02:16] <johanbr> oops :)
[02:17] <Sarvatt> were you the person that didn't update things and just updated individual packages instead?
[02:17] <johanbr> yes, definitely 32-14 :)
[02:17] <johanbr> I've done that sometimes yes
[02:17] <johanbr> but I remembered our conversation, so did a full dist-upgrade this time :)
[02:17] <Sarvatt> is it a laptop with the lid closed by any chance?
[02:18] <johanbr> laptop yes, lid closed no
[02:18] <Sarvatt> actually, i think acpi=noirq might be messing with it, can you try booting with lbm-nouveau.ignorelid=1 added to grub?
[02:19] <johanbr> absolutely
[02:19] <johanbr> I'll try removing the acpi= option too
[02:19] <johanbr> back in a minute...
[02:19] <Sarvatt> that'll ignore the acpi lid status, log looks like mine does when i boot with the lid closed
[02:22] <Sarvatt> hmm he said he was using edgers but.. 	compiled for 1.7.5, module version = 0.0.15
[02:22] <Sarvatt> oh nevermind mine says that too, the drm message later is where it says its 0.0.16
[02:26] <Sarvatt> any luck?
[02:26] <johanbr> afraid not... still didn't work, but log now slightly different
[02:27] <johanbr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/382680/
[02:28] <johanbr> "drmGetBusid returned ''" doesn't look good
[02:28] <johanbr> it was "lbm-nouveau.ignorelid=1", right?
[02:29] <Sarvatt> can you paste your dmesg?
[02:29] <johanbr> sure, just a sec
[02:30] <johanbr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/382683/
[02:33] <johanbr> I do have the experimental 3d stuff installed... could that be interfering?
[02:34] <Sarvatt> do you have nouveau-firmware installed?
[02:34] <Sarvatt> no i dont think so, some pretty nasty errors in dmesg there
[02:35] <johanbr> yep, nouveau-firmware is installed... 20091212-0ubuntu1
[02:36] <RAOF> All these people with shiny new nv5x+ cards!  They'll get to test out the ctxprog generator soon, I think; it sounds like mwk's gearing up for a test-request on it.
[02:36] <Sarvatt> johanbr: hmm I think i'd start by purging plymouth and seeing if that helps any
[02:37] <johanbr> I actually just installed plymouth to see if that would help :)
[02:37] <johanbr> but I'll try purging it and removing the boot options, I haven't tried that combination
[02:38] <johanbr> back in a bit...
[02:40] <RAOF> Why is that drm rather than lbm-drm?
[02:41] <Sarvatt> where?
[02:41] <RAOF> In johanbr's dmesg logs.
[02:42] <Sarvatt> hmm
[02:42] <Sarvatt> good point
[02:42] <RAOF> Someone's got a stale version of 0.0.15 from upstream; it's 2.6.32-847-nicelogshasum
[02:43] <RAOF> Actually, it might be nouveau-kernel-source.
[02:44] <Sarvatt> ugh yeah gotta be, [   12.306932] [drm] Initialized nouveau 0.0.15 v2.6.32-847-g50ebb93924038778b for 0000:01:00.0 on minor 0
[02:44] <Sarvatt> completely missed that
[02:44] <RAOF> It might be nice to get that info into the lbm-builds, too.
[02:45] <Sarvatt> [   13.428170] [lbm-drm] Initialized nouveau 0.0.16 20090420 for 0000:05:00.0 on minor 0 here
[02:46] <RAOF> Actually... what would be nice in there is “initialized nouveau 0.0.16 lbm-drm $PACKAGE_VERSION ...”
[02:52] <Sarvatt> deleting nouveau-kernel-source from edgers
[02:52] <Sarvatt> i'm sure thats what he did
[02:54] <Sarvatt> think i should upload lbm-nouveau with http://0x04.net/~mwk/0001-drm-nv50-Implement-ctxprog-state-generation.patch ?
[02:57] <Sarvatt> eh might as well, its crack anyway :)
[02:58] <Sarvatt> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2010-February/005137.html
[03:06] <Sarvatt> uploaded
[03:11] <johanbr> finally!
[03:11] <johanbr> downgrading the X server made nouveau work again
[03:17] <johanbr> Sarvatt, I *think* it was this upgrade that broke it:
[03:17] <johanbr> [UPGRADE] xserver-common 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2~git20100205+server-1.7-branch.85b04bb0-0ubu
[03:17] <johanbr> ntu0sarvatt3 -> 2:1.7.5~git20100216+server-1.7-branch.f0ec2e0d-0ubuntu0sarvatt
[03:17] <Sarvatt> johanbr: you installed nouveau-kernel-source
[03:17] <Sarvatt> thats an obsolete package and screwed things up
[03:18] <johanbr> oh!
[03:18] <Sarvatt> i deleted it off edgers so noone else would do that
[03:19] <johanbr> ahhh...
[03:19] <Sarvatt> we probably need to get nouveau-kernel-source deleted from the archive too?
[03:20] <Sarvatt> xserver should be 1.7.5-1ubuntusomething btw, theres newer in the archive than whats in lucid
[03:20] <Sarvatt> err than whats in edgers
[03:22] <Sarvatt> johanbr: sudo apt-get purge nouveau-kernel-source should fix you up
[03:22] <johanbr> yep, just that did that :)
[03:22] <johanbr> I'll just reboot and make sure everything's okay
[03:22] <johanbr> many thanks for your help
[03:23] <Sarvatt> no worries, you'll see lbm-drm in your dmesg instead of drm all over the place
[03:23] <Sarvatt> if its working right
[03:29] <Sarvatt> any luck?
[03:31] <johanbr> yep, back to working order now
[03:31] <johanbr> thank you
[03:31] <Sarvatt> no worries, sorry about that, should have removed that package a long time ago
[03:32] <Sarvatt> bryceh: nouveau-kernel-source should probably be removed from the archive for lucid :)
[03:32] <bryceh> Sarvatt, heh
[03:33] <Sarvatt> i put a firmwareless nouveau package up on edgers also to get more testing
[03:33] <Sarvatt> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2010-February/005137.html
[03:34] <Sarvatt> i'm guessing it'd work fine for whats going in lucid, its the 3D stuff thats iffy with it
[03:48] <Sarvatt> maybe we should patch out this error message from evdev - (EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[03:49] <Sarvatt> alot of people posting  bug reports thinking its actually a problem
[03:50] <Sarvatt> its just because of how we load evdev always then another driver if it fits later from how the udev rules are set up
[03:54] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/0001-Silence-EVIOCGNAME-error.patch  ?
[04:00] <bryceh> AGREED
[04:00] <bryceh> I just triaged a bug about that
[04:01] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Wow, you're quick.  I was going to apply that voodoo generator later this afternoon :)
[04:01] <bryceh> Sarvatt, works for me
[04:02] <bryceh> Sarvatt, do you have git access to the -evdev tree?  If so, go ahead and commit that.  If not, I'll take care of it tomorrow
[04:31] <Sarvatt> sure thing bryceh, i'll merge everything into the ubuntu branch and set it all up. should I set the changelog to UNRELEASED or leave it lucid?
[04:31] <Sarvatt> xserver-xorg-input-evdev (1:2.3.2-3ubuntu1) lucid; urgency=low
[04:32] <Sarvatt> i merged the xserver-xorg-input-evdev-1_2.3.2-3 tag into ubuntu since thats what we're on in lucid, origin/ubuntu was really old since we've been syncing from debian for lucid
[04:33] <Sarvatt> building it now to see if its working right before i push it
[04:36] <Sarvatt> yay works fine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/382729/
[04:39] <Sarvatt> well I just left the changelog as lucid, hope I dont screw anything up doing that :)
[04:40] <Sarvatt> pushed it all here http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-input-evdev.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ubuntu
[05:05] <Sarvatt> bryceh: do you want a debdiff? should I include the changelog with the ubuntu history in it if so since the synced one just has the debian history? here's one if thats right - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/xserver-xorg-input-evdev_2.3.2-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[06:30] <bryceh> Sarvatt, looks great
[06:31] <bryceh> Sarvatt, only other thing is if you can associate the debdiff to a launchpad bug report, it's good to do so
[06:37] <bryceh> Sarvatt, upload sponsored
[06:45] <Sarvatt> thanks bryceh
[06:45] <Sarvatt> go figure I found one after - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/517316
[06:45] <Sarvatt> was on virtualbox-ose :)
[06:47] <bryceh> heh, yeah that always happens to me
[06:47] <bryceh> sometimes doing a google against site:bugs.launchpad.net for the error message turns up some bug matches
[06:47] <bryceh> probably would get too many hits in this case though
[06:50] <Sarvatt> label:ubuntu-x-swat eviocgname in gmail here :)
[06:50] <Sarvatt> almost 11k bug emails in there
[06:51] <bryceh> closing out all the -nv bugs make a good dent in our peak - http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Graphs/totals.svg
[06:52] <bryceh> also with james_w's help I sorted out a bug that's been preventing my triaging scripts from running for the last few months, so I'm hoping they'll kick in and start catching up on triaging work
[06:52] <Sarvatt> nice!
[06:52] <bryceh> I think outside the scripted triaging, I'm personally just going to be focusing  on bugs marked 'lucid' (maybe I mentioned that already)
[06:52] <Sarvatt> nvidia stuff is going to be *hard*, so many bugs that are just people screwing things up for themselves and needing help fixing it instead of actual bugs
[06:53] <bryceh> er, s/marked/tagged/
[06:53] <bryceh> yeah, totally
[06:53] <bryceh> I've complained about that at the last few ubuntu gatherings
[06:53] <bryceh> they're more like support requests than bug reports
[06:54] <bryceh> i.e., "Please fix this issue that is making my system broken" vs. "This is a flaw in the Ubuntu product that should be fixed"
[06:57] <Sarvatt> yeah the kind of thing you can spend 8 hours helping 8 people fix it when you have 1000+ bugs worth of it to go through..
[06:59] <bryceh> yep
[07:00] <bryceh> what chaps my hide is when the bug reporters get dickish about it... e.g. #121574
[07:01] <bryceh> although I've noticed it's rarely actually people who actually report bugs, but more likely drive by commenters who've never filed bug reports before who have the worst manners
[11:59] <DawnLight> compiz is leaking memory i'm gonna run out i wanna report what do i do quick
[11:59] <DawnLight> ?
[13:29] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, i don't doubt that you're correct about nvidia users having screwed up their own systems and now they need help, but can you give a few examples of that?
[16:50] <apw> under KMS if your edid information is wrong or hidden by a KVM switch is there any way to tell KMS drivers a sensible resolution override line one used to do in /etc/xorg.conf ??
[16:51] <jcristau> i think you can pass something like video=VGA1:1024x768 to the kernel
[16:52] <tseliot> can it be video=LVDS1 too (when using a laptop)?
[16:53] <jcristau> …
[18:37] <smb> tseliot, Hm, if I would now any name. On laptops I would look into acpi info but on a desktop...
[18:38] <tseliot> ???
[18:39] <smb> tseliot, Sorry, trying the thing apw has askd before
[18:39] <tseliot> ah, ok
[18:39] <smb> Getting a different video mode on a kms
[18:39] <smb> But its a desktop to acpi knows nothing about gfx hw
[18:40] <smb> And its nouveau and behind a switch that hides the EDID
[18:41] <tseliot> ouch
[18:43] <smb> Atm, it feels to me we got 3 kernel/grub arguments which all do *not* work. Or I just have not found out how they are supposed to work
[18:43] <tseliot> what arguments?
[18:45] <smb> vga= is deprecated, video= and gfxpayload=
[18:48] <apw> tseliot, have you ever tried video= on kms?
[18:50] <tseliot> nope
[21:28] <tormod> please cherrypick for mesa, bug 515846
[21:29] <tjaalton> is it not in 7.7-branch?
[21:30] <tjaalton> seems to be
[21:30] <tjaalton> so we'll get it anyway
[21:36] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I don't think your -11 plymouth fixed the enter crash for me.
[21:46] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[21:48]  * jcristau sighs at subscriber-only ubuntu lists...
[21:49] <bryceh> ahem, "spam-free" subscribe-only ubuntu lists...
[21:52] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:52] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:52] <BUGabundo> don't member be able to email to every list?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> *Members/Motu
[21:53] <bryceh> dunno
[21:57] <jcristau> well at least kernel-team@ seems to be moderated, rather than outright rejecting non-subscriber posts
[21:57] <BUGabundo> AFAIK all lists are moderated
[21:58] <jcristau> that's not what mailman tells me
[21:59] <tormod> tjaalton, hi, "we'll get it" like soon? I think it is a blocker for all non-intel/ati
[22:04] <tjaalton> tormod: like after alpha3
[22:04] <tjaalton> bgoglin is about to upload 7.7-4
[22:05] <tormod> goodygood
[22:56] <kklimonda> so the latest nouveau broke it for me :/
[22:59] <kklimonda> update*
[23:07] <kklimonda> the one from xorg-edgers ppa 2.6.32-14.999~xorgedgers4
[23:13] <RAOF> Broke in what way?