[01:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:18] <ducasse> good morning
[08:29] <Deano59> good morning. :)
[08:33] <akem> Heya.
[14:16] <leftyfb> hggdh: I didn't know you were into the Occupy movement :)     hggdh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #occupyboston
[14:54] <oerheks> sudo apt install new-keyboard
[14:54] <oerheks> ..or snap?
[15:44] <hggdh> leftyfb: I am not :-) Just another user with the same nick
[15:44] <hggdh> I am also guessing this is not on Freenode
[15:55] <leftyfb> hggdh: it's not even a real user, it's a bot. They seem to copy nicks from other networks I'm on.
[15:56] <leftyfb> been doing this for at least a year now
[17:01] <marcoagpinto> The demon!!!
[17:02]  * daftykins runs
[17:04]  * oerheks opens a bottle of pepsi
[17:06] <marcoagpinto> I have been away very busy with the projects
[17:06] <marcoagpinto> I have been able to implement the CIRCUMFIX Hunspell flag into my tool
[17:06] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:06] <marcoagpinto> after years working on it
[19:26] <marcoagpinto> is anyone there?!
[19:27] <marcoagpinto> >:) <-
[19:28] <oerheks> hi anyone
[19:29] <sarnold> hi nobody
[19:31] <coconut> hi few
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> oerheks!
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> sarnold!
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[19:34] <sarnold> hey marcoagpinto :)
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> damn VirtualBox 6.1.7 damaged the Extras CD
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> I can't remember the name
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> now 18.04 gets a login screen with 640x480 or so
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> very small
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> and 20.04 desktop gives an error regarding maximising the screen
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> guest additions*
[19:37] <GR1M0R4CL3> yup i had the same problem
[19:38] <GR1M0R4CL3> i had to stay on a previous virtualbox version
[19:38] <marcoagpinto> :(((((((
[19:38] <GR1M0R4CL3> you can downgrade the guest part
[19:38] <GR1M0R4CL3> you can download the iso, mount it and build a previous guest additions and see what happens
[19:38] <GR1M0R4CL3> keeping your current virtualbox version
[19:39] <marcoagpinto> :(
[19:39] <GR1M0R4CL3> if that doesnt work, downgrade one notch the virtualbox
[19:39] <daftykins> i'd have thought the lesson would have been learnt by now
[19:39] <GR1M0R4CL3> they had to fix a problem and edit that part
[19:40] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: what lesson?
[19:40] <GR1M0R4CL3> and their forum has a post about it as the problem affected fedora too
[19:40] <daftykins> updating
[19:40] <GR1M0R4CL3> and they work fat better with Xorg than Wayland
[19:40] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: that is why I don't install betas on my new laptop
[19:40] <marcoagpinto> I became conservative
[19:40] <marcoagpinto> but VirtualBox 6.1.7 was a final release
[19:41] <GR1M0R4CL3> me too. work requires us to use a windows 10 with a pulse client
[19:41] <marcoagpinto> so, I downloaded and installed it
[19:41] <GR1M0R4CL3> and we run a virtualbox on top of it with all the development environment
[19:41] <GR1M0R4CL3> i am very very cautious about any upgrades..
[19:41] <GR1M0R4CL3> breaking the display when you have a fix to code and a release to do, no fun
[19:41] <marcoagpinto> yes
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> :((((((
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> When LibreOffice 7.0 is released in August, I will wait an extra month for 7.0.1
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> conservative I am getting
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> :p
[19:43] <GR1M0R4CL3> i got a 1 tb hard disk. i copy the 100 gb vdi to it before any upgrade then i upgrade
[19:43] <GR1M0R4CL3> and i always have a previous vdi in case something breaks and i need to work :D
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> I am taking a Unity course
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> :p
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> I updated Unity today and it took 20 GB of my HDD
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:43] <daftykins> marcoagpinto: and what was wrong with what you had before?
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: wrong with what?
[19:44] <daftykins> the prior virtualbox version
[19:44] <daftykins> 20GB for the desktop, i don't think so
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: the 20.04 desktop window didn't get full screen
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: Unity for all platforms
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> I installed it all
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> except the chinese languages and such
[19:44] <GR1M0R4CL3> i got a 20.04 with full screen workin
[19:44] <GR1M0R4CL3> i can check which vb and which guest im using
[19:45] <GR1M0R4CL3> need the info ?
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> GR1M0R4CL3: It would only use the full screen after we streeched and then maximised the VB window
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> so, I thought 6.1.7 would fix it
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> but I was wrong
[19:45] <GR1M0R4CL3> yup
[19:45] <GR1M0R4CL3> i got that currently
[19:45] <daftykins> hang on are you talking about Unity the game engine etc?
[19:46] <GR1M0R4CL3> im still waiting for a fix. on each boot i have to reduce/maximize
[19:46] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: yes
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> damn course is 30+ hours... I am watching 30 minutes videos per day
[19:47] <GR1M0R4CL3> the vb team has a forum
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:47] <GR1M0R4CL3> go there and check the "linux clients" part
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:47] <daftykins> you're quite clearly making a common mistake that others do online, version chasing i call it - it makes no sense to keep chasing the latest releases solely for the sake of being 'on top' of release events
[19:48] <GR1M0R4CL3> https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=98d5e9ca3e7127b6b82990ab2a248403
[19:48] <GR1M0R4CL3> there has been a discussion there: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=97686
[19:48] <marcoagpinto> "Ubutnu 16.04 guest login screen is 800x600 with GA (6.1.8 r137981)"
[19:48] <marcoagpinto> 6.1.8?
[19:48] <GR1M0R4CL3> i was using a fedora when this happened. moved to a ubuntu since
[19:48] <marcoagpinto> I have 6.1.7?
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> where did .8 come from?
[19:49] <GR1M0R4CL3> you can download previews of more recent vb and guests
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhh
[19:49] <GR1M0R4CL3> in the forums you have posts where they give links to the daily guest compiled
[19:49] <GR1M0R4CL3> sometimes it works with those
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhh
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> good to know
[19:50] <daftykins> but even better is not being in a rush to update
[19:50] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: I am always in a rush
[19:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:50] <daftykins> you need to learn to behave differently
[19:50] <marcoagpinto> when I near 50?
[19:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:50] <marcoagpinto> now it is too late
[19:50] <marcoagpinto> I am*
[19:50] <GR1M0R4CL3> test builds : https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds#Latest6.1.xtestbuilds
[19:51] <GR1M0R4CL3> you either go back to what worked by downgrading. or you try the most recent stuff but you have to spend some time playing with it
[19:52] <sarnold> daftykins: hey now, someone needs to file the bug reports when updates break things :)
[19:52] <sarnold> daftykins: otherwise how will the breakages be found before folks like us get around to upgrading? :)
[19:52] <daftykins> lol, that's a fair point - but i imagine you'd prefer more useful responses rather than ":(" everywhere? ;)
[19:53] <sarnold> why yes, pastebins of what was tried and what error messages came back would be a good start :)
[19:53] <daftykins> that's just not the demon's way!
[19:53] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> why can't Ubuntu bring all packages required by VirtualBox guestadditions and VMWare whatever?
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> wouldn't it be easier?
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> we have to install Perl by hand and such
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> it could come with Ubuntu out of the box, right?
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[19:55] <marcoagpinto> "Insert GuestAddition CD" -> "done!"
[19:55] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:56] <oerheks> hahaha... wait, you still have a cd drive?
[19:56] <marcoagpinto> oerheks: virtual
[19:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:56] <marcoagpinto> VirtualBox has a guest additions CD .iso to make it fully compatible with OSes
[19:57] <marcoagpinto> for example, sharing clipboard and shared folders between guest and host
[19:57] <oerheks> yes, i got that part
[19:57] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:57] <marcoagpinto> but, yes, I also have an external drive
[19:57] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:58] <marcoagpinto> I was converting my audio CDs to FLAC but then got bored
[19:58] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:58] <akem> Can be usefull for ripping DVDs too ;)
[19:58] <marcoagpinto> and my DVD-Videos to .iso
[19:58] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:58] <akem> Try .mp4 or .avi instead of .iso!
[19:58] <akem> :P
[19:59] <marcoagpinto> akem: it doesn't matter... 8 GB isn't much now-a-days
[19:59] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:59] <marcoagpinto> so, I would rather have it 100% like the original
[19:59] <akem> Yeah, if you want it like the original...i understand.
[19:59] <marcoagpinto> I can't copy blu-rays... 50 GB :(
[20:00] <marcoagpinto> or 100 GB :(
[20:00] <akem> I prefer to have video format instead, so i stick them in my playlist.
[20:00] <marcoagpinto> it would fill my HDD quick
[20:00] <oerheks> oh, do you need hdd's?
[20:00] <marcoagpinto> it is SSD
[20:00] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[20:00] <marcoagpinto> but I called it HDD
[20:00] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:01] <akem> SSD are still expensive. Good old mechanical HDD, i got 4 TB for 90 Euros.
[20:01] <marcoagpinto> akem: it came with the laptop
[20:01] <marcoagpinto> 1 TB
[20:01] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:02] <marcoagpinto> but I have also external ones
[20:02] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:02] <marcoagpinto> 4 TB
[20:02] <marcoagpinto> it would be filled if I created .iso's of 100 GB each
[20:02] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:04] <akem> Waste of space.
[20:04] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[20:04] <akem> I never download larger than 1080p RIPs. I don't have anything 4K anyway.
[20:05] <marcoagpinto> I have some adult clips in 4K
[20:05] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:06] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaa.... on Tuesday I almost retired... I hit 4 numbers + 1 star in the EuroMillions... 100 EUR... one more number would give me 400 000 EUR
[20:06] <marcoagpinto> :(
[20:06] <marcoagpinto> I was close this time
[20:06] <akem> Too bad :X
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> I know
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> 400 000 EUR should be more than 100 years of work at the supermarket
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:08] <marcoagpinto> so close, young apprendice
[20:08] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:08] <daftykins> SSDs really are not that expensive :P
[20:08] <daftykins> you don't create ISOs of blurays, silly
[20:08] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: why not?
[20:08] <daftykins> you dump the titles to matroskas
[20:08] <daftykins> 'cause it's the wrong tool for the job
[20:08] <sarnold> also, no way 400K EUR is enough to retire on ..
[20:08] <marcoagpinto> sarnold: for me is
[20:08] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:09] <marcoagpinto> because I work in part-time
[20:09] <akem> Depends how and where you live :P
[20:09] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[20:09] <marcoagpinto> right
[20:09] <daftykins> you do? i had a feeling you just murdered cola and worked on that PhD perpetually :)
[20:09] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: I am on medical leave
[20:09] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:10] <marcoagpinto> and I have spent a week searching for "Human and Social Dynamics" and when I was about to give up, I found the material
[20:10] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:10] <marcoagpinto> there was tons of material, but all useless
[20:10] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:11] <marcoagpinto> yes, two chapters left in the thesis
[20:11] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:11] <marcoagpinto> tomorrow I will research about Bernoulli... I need more information about him
[20:13] <marcoagpinto> I only have two or three pages about each scientist :(
[20:15] <sarnold> marcoagpinto: 400K EUR provides roughly ~16K EUR per year in retirement income, given historical trends
[20:15] <marcoagpinto> sarnold: so, my income is 5K year
[20:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:16] <sarnold> oof :)
[20:17] <marcoagpinto> well, I live with mum and dad
[20:17] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:17] <marcoagpinto> otherwise, I would need to have a normal jo
[20:17] <marcoagpinto> otherwise, I would need to have a normal job
[20:18] <oerheks> haha i make €15k year
[20:18] <sarnold> I don't want to be too dark but you should probably not plan on your parents surviving through your entire retirement..
[20:18] <marcoagpinto> I know :(
[20:23] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... regarding the video .iso's: years ago I bought a film at the supermarket, and when I was analysing it, it had no Portuguese subtitles
[20:23] <marcoagpinto> it was very strange
[20:23] <marcoagpinto> how come no one complained'
[20:23] <marcoagpinto> ?
[20:24] <akem> Maybe because it was a bad movie anyway :P
[20:24] <marcoagpinto> sometimes we had promotions of DVD-Videos at 1 or 2 EUR
[20:24] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:25] <marcoagpinto> at the supermarket
[20:25] <sarnold> you bought it even without the subtitled, right? :)
[20:25] <marcoagpinto> good for .iso
[20:25] <akem> Maybe they got few DVDs that are not supposed to be sold in PT supermarkets, hence no subs.
[20:25] <marcoagpinto> akem: it had the Portuguese seal
[20:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:25] <marcoagpinto> so, it is sold here
[20:25] <akem> Ok.
[20:25] <marcoagpinto> I can't remember the name of the film
[20:26] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: maybe I should MKV some blu-rays
[20:26] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:26] <daftykins> makemkv is freely available and can handle this easily
[20:27] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[20:27] <akem> Or Handbrake i guess.
[20:27] <akem> I don't know makemkv.
[20:27] <marcoagpinto> I would prefer Handbrake
[20:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:27] <daftykins> you would have to look at the tools and learn that they mostly do different things, to start with
[20:27] <marcoagpinto> but blu-rays are sensible to fingerprints
[20:28] <daftykins> handbrake is mostly geared towards transcoding, which is a waste of time and cycles - makemkv can let you just dump the contents of a DVD or bluray 1:1
[20:28] <marcoagpinto> I tried to copy one weeks ago and all files were giving errors
[20:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:28] <daftykins> probably because the files are encrypted, you don't just copy them off the disc
[20:28] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: it was a data blu-ray
[20:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:29] <daftykins> so are film and TV series ones :P
[20:29] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:29] <marcoagpinto> AnyDVD rings a bell?
[20:29] <daftykins> antiquated solution yes
[20:31] <marcoagpinto> anyway, damn DVDs only transfer at maximum 20 MB/sec
[20:31] <marcoagpinto> :(
[20:31] <marcoagpinto> it takes ages to convert to .iso
[20:32] <marcoagpinto> that is why I want them all in .iso... to avoid getting damaged and for faster access
[20:33] <daftykins> there's no point converting the entire disc contents to an image, just take the film - it's quicker
[20:34] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: what about the scenes and such?
[20:34] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:34] <marcoagpinto> 8 GB isn't much now-a-days
[20:34] <daftykins> i recently dumped my Star Trek TNG bluray set all to disk, 1.5TB now
[20:34] <sarnold> daftykins: makemkv?
[20:34] <daftykins> scenes, you mean chapter selections?
[20:34] <daftykins> sarnold: yip
[20:34] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: yes
[20:34] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:35] <sarnold> daftykins: niiiiice. I've got a big pile of columbo discs that I really want to do something with. discs just seems so fragile.
[20:35] <daftykins> marcoagpinto: it's all built into blurays, that's how it comes off the disc using makemkv
[20:35] <marcoagpinto> I also converted my SPECIAL EDITION of Star Trek return to Earth and disc 2 had errors
[20:35] <daftykins> using what method showed errors o0
[20:35] <sarnold> daftykins: how do you 'consume' the end results? any chance you know if you can convince a chromecast to view them? :)
[20:36] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: AnyDVD said it had bogus cells
[20:36] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:36] <daftykins> right, software limitation
[20:36] <marcoagpinto> but I could swear that I copied it 10 or 15 years ago and no errors
[20:36] <daftykins> sarnold: Kodi on spare devices usually, i never owned a chromecast - can they do anything with UPnP servers o0
[20:36] <sarnold> daftykins: probably not..
[20:37] <daftykins> always felt they were too limited those things
[20:37] <daftykins> marcoagpinto: likely some protection is just too good for that ghetto software, makemkv'd do it i'm sure
[20:38] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: but I already paid ~100 EUR for AnyDVD
[20:38] <marcoagpinto> :(
[20:38] <daftykins> l o l
[20:39] <daftykins> and so running a free program will break the bank further? xD
[20:39] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: I could swear that years ago makemkv was commercial?
[20:39] <marcoagpinto> I can't remember
[20:40] <daftykins> why remember when you can visit the site and discover that you can pay if you want or not
[20:40] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhhhhh
[20:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:40] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[20:47] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: https://www.makemkv.com/buy/
[20:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:47] <marcoagpinto> €61.50
[20:48] <daftykins> when i just a moment ago mentioned you could visit the site and learn you can pay or use it free, why do i need to be linked and told?
[20:48] <marcoagpinto> because it says only the beta is free
[20:48] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:49] <marcoagpinto> after 30 days it costs 50 EUR + VAT
[20:51] <daftykins> it has been many, many years
[20:52] <daftykins> so for all intents and purposes it's essentially free
[20:52] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:55] <marcoagpinto> I also want to convert a conference I recorded many years ago to blu-ray
[20:55] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:56] <marcoagpinto> but I am scared to connect the camcorder to the computer
[20:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:56] <marcoagpinto> it is an old camcorder
[20:56] <marcoagpinto> I can't remember how I did it when I created DVD-Videos of it
[20:57] <marcoagpinto> I need to read the manaul
[20:57] <marcoagpinto> manual*
[20:57] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:57] <marcoagpinto> RTFM
[20:57] <marcoagpinto> 1280x720p instead of 572p (more bitrate)
[20:57] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:58] <marcoagpinto> 576p*
[20:59] <daftykins> resolution doesn't automatically translate to bitrate shifts due to codec changes
[21:08] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: because it was minitapes? digital?
[21:08] <marcoagpinto> so, a higher bitrate would get more quality than DVD quality?
[21:10] <daftykins> you're not really making a lot of sense there
[21:10] <marcoagpinto> If I well remember I had Pinnacle Studio 8 or 7 back in 2001 or 2002?
[21:10] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:10] <marcoagpinto> and it sucked in the video settings?
[21:10] <marcoagpinto> even the text I added got all pixelised
[21:12] <marcoagpinto> so, I just need to transfer the video from the minitapes and create a blu-ray with it with the maximum bitrate
[21:12] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:12] <marcoagpinto> if the minitapes still work :p
[21:12] <oerheks> set auto
[21:13] <marcoagpinto> oerheks: auto?
[21:13] <oerheks> keep the resolution from the original file
[21:13] <marcoagpinto> oerheks: can I store DVD-Video resolution into a blu-ray format?
[21:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:13] <marcoagpinto> record a blu-ray with a DVD-video?
[21:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:14] <oerheks> no, that would be impossible
[21:14] <marcoagpinto> 720x576
[21:14] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:14] <oerheks> oh wait
[21:14] <marcoagpinto> 4:3
[21:14] <oerheks> sure, any format will do
[21:14] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh....
[21:15] <oerheks> one can make a BR-data disk
[21:15] <marcoagpinto> do you mean, I just select 720x576 and target: "blu-ray"?
[21:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:15] <oerheks> woppa
[21:15] <oerheks> mouse, drag & drop
[21:15] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaa
[21:15] <marcoagpinto> then it won't play in the stand-alone players
[21:15]  * daftykins shakes his head
[21:15] <marcoagpinto> :(
[21:16] <daftykins> i would not target optical formats at all
[21:16] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: but I wanted to add menus
[21:16] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:17] <daftykins> stuff nobody wants? ah ok
[21:17] <marcoagpinto> the conference was 4-hours long
[21:17] <marcoagpinto> I wanted to organise it by speecher
[21:18] <marcoagpinto> a photo of each speecher in the scenes
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: you made me meditate
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> maybe I could have one file per speecher
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> conference.1.name1
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> conference.2.name2
[21:22] <daftykins> just calm down, it's obvious you haven't looked at the basics of DVD or bluray authoring
[21:23] <marcoagpinto> don't I just need to create the menus and select the target format?
[21:23] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:24] <marcoagpinto> I have processed several YouTube videos using Nero
[21:24] <marcoagpinto> resolution -> bitrate -> audio -> target?
[21:25] <daftykins> a sane person would take the original source material and split that into titles to start with, then those'd be linked from a menu
[21:25] <daftykins> but it all sounds like a waste of effort to be honest
[21:25] <marcoagpinto> I have several minitapes
[21:25] <marcoagpinto> I first need to transfer them to the disk
[21:26] <marcoagpinto> I no longer know how the camcorder works
[21:26] <marcoagpinto> :(
[21:26] <marcoagpinto> I need to RTFM
[21:28] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbW8oK1vezM&
[21:28] <marcoagpinto> it is all pixelised
[21:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:28] <marcoagpinto> Pinnacle Studio back in 2001 or 2002 sucked
[21:28] <marcoagpinto> I converted from DVD-Video and exported to YouTube
[21:29] <daftykins> yes you probably used trash tools that transcoded and degraded the source
[21:30] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: what could one expect 20 years ago?
[21:30] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:30] <daftykins> no you're just blaming the tools now
[21:30] <marcoagpinto> I just hope the tapes are still okay
[21:31] <marcoagpinto> bitrate -> target
[21:31] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:31] <marcoagpinto> Pinnacle Studio 20 years ago
[21:55] <daftykins> why would you use the same thing o0
[22:00] <marcoagpinto> :)
[22:00] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: I am leaving to bed... I will return in the morning
[22:00] <marcoagpinto> take care dear ones
[22:00] <marcoagpinto> the cola demon


[00:36] <lqid> Anybody have any advice for a piece of software I can use to draw network diagrams?
[01:19] <th3pr0ph3t> lqid,  all I can think of is Dia
[02:10] <igor> hi all
[02:11] <igor> I'm new to xubuntu
[02:11] <igor> not new to linux though
[02:11] <igor> I have a problem with high power consumption with xubuntu 12.04
[02:12] <igor> that has not been happening with ubuntu 12.04 on the same hardware
[02:12] <igor> the power consumption with xubuntu is about twice as much as with ubuntu
[02:13] <igor> it's consuming around 16 watts when idle
[02:13] <igor> should be using around 7-8 watts
[02:14] <igor> the hardware is a Dell Mini 9 netbook
[02:14] <igor> any ideas what could be the cause?
[02:17] <ObrienDave> igor, probably background applications running
[02:18] <igor> @ObrienDave example?
[02:18] <ObrienDave> run task manager, see what's running
[02:18] <igor> CPU load is very low
[02:19] <ObrienDave> i have about 200 processes running now. you will have to look
[02:20] <igor> CPU load is less than 10%, yet the power drain is sometimes over 20W
[02:20] <igor> idle running
[02:20] <igor> fresh install, fresh login
[02:20] <ObrienDave> fans, drives, could be any number of things affecting power consumption
[02:20] <igor> doesn't have a fan, it's a netbook
[02:21] <igor> has a SSD
[02:21] <ObrienDave> sorry then, no clue as to what would cause power drain
[02:21] <igor> same laptop running ubuntu 12.04 drains half as much as with xubuntu
[02:21] <igor> thanks anyway
[02:22] <igor> anyone else?
[02:22] <ObrienDave> well, they are different DE's, like comparing apples to oranges
[02:22] <igor> xfce supposed to be leaner that unity
[02:23] <igor> certainly could not be accounted for twice the consumption
[02:24] <igor> perhaps 10%, not twice as much
[02:24] <igor> I'll try ask the devs
[02:25] <ObrienDave> sorry, can't help you with this question. good luck.
[02:26] <igor> thanks
[02:36] <igor> can anyone else offer any help?
[02:51] <Quix86> does 12.04.2 have any known issues hanging on install reboot?
[03:03] <Quix86> fwiw 12.04 is hanging on shut down and if I force a shutdown, grub/something doesn't seem to install properly
[03:04] <Quix86> and when I try to boot from the new install I hang on a blinking cursor after bios
[03:20] <holstein> Quix86: its going to be hardware specific..
[03:21] <holstein> Quix86: have you applied all upgrades?
[03:21] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:24] <Quix86> what upgrades? This is on first install
[03:24] <Quix86> also X41 laptop
[03:24] <holstein> Quix86: x41?
[03:24] <Quix86> and I've got that roddy bot blocked, so if you'd like to tell me something please tell me
[03:25] <Quix86> thinkpad x41
[03:25] <holstein> Quix86: can you boot live? with nomodeset?
[03:25] <holstein> can you get to a live desktop?
[03:25] <Quix86> live boots fine, that's how the installer works
[03:25] <Quix86> it boots a live desktop and then you go into the installer
[03:26] <holstein> Quix86: sure.. but the install *should* work the same
[03:26] <holstein> Quix86: are you upgrading during the install?
[03:26] <Quix86> no, overwriting
[03:26] <Quix86> again, the problem seems to be on shutdown
[03:26] <holstein> Quix86: what does that mean?
[03:26] <Quix86> formating over a previous install
[03:26] <holstein> Quix86: what im asking is.. are you selecting "install upgrades" while installing
[03:26] <Quix86> yes
[03:27] <Quix86> updates
[03:27] <holstein> Quix86: i would *not* do that and see
[03:27] <holstein> Quix86: could be something about the newer kernel you are installing wth the upgrades
[03:27] <Quix86> 13.04 is going back on now
[03:27] <Quix86> and older is the word you are looking for
[03:27] <Quix86> I was going to 12.04 so I could use PHC
[03:27] <holstein> Quix86: no
[03:28] <holstein> Quix86: i said what i was looking gor. the *newer* kernel installing by selecting "install upgrade" while you are insatlling 12.04 *could* be breaking the install
[03:28] <holstein> Quix86: the live kerne (the older one) works fine
[03:29] <holstein> the newer one, not working.. or thats my proposal
[03:29] <Quix86> well, whatever it is I'll have to look into it tomorrow
[03:29] <Quix86> The laptop needs to be working tonight and 13.04 is already installing
[03:30] <holstein> Quix86: cheers.. i would just install 13.04 and go with it if its working.. but its likely teh older kernel in 12.04 suporting your hardware.. if the live CD works fine
[03:33] <Quix86> I'll have to try and get 12.04 working later, I need PHC to lower the voltages on my CPU
[03:33] <Quix86> I didn't expect to have any problems installing 12.04 since previous installs have gone smoothly
[03:33] <Quix86> I'll use my spare drive next time
[03:59] <Quix86> I had the same problem with 13.04 and had to use boot-repair to reinstall grub for some reason
[03:59] <Quix86> I'm assuming I can do the same with 12.04 later
[03:59] <Quix86> FWIW, this is exactly how I installed xubuntu on it the first time, except I did have the boot issues
[04:00] <holstein> Quix86: maybe you are assuming the install is hanging?
[04:02] <Quix86> the shutdown is what was hanging
[04:02] <holstein> Quix86: sure, the shutdown of the live CD, correct?
[04:02] <Quix86> yes
[04:02] <Quix86> usb stick to be exact
[04:02] <holstein> Quix86: so, the install is done doing whatever its going to do by then
[04:03] <Quix86> yes
[04:03] <holstein> Quix86: are you doing custom partitioning?
[04:03] <Quix86> unless it does grub on shutdown
[04:03] <Quix86> no
[06:32] <Lazaros> Hallo everyone, 2nd day with xubuntu and still can't watch a ideo on youtube. Any ideas?
[06:34] <Lazaros> anyone?
[06:37] <Myrtti> Lazaros: install flash?
[06:42] <Lazaros> Flash was installed already with xubuntu, I also tried the 3d party restricted something (java, flash etc) but doesn;t work
[07:01] <koegs> Lazaros: flash does not come with xubuntu as default
[07:01] <koegs> did you install flashplugin-installer?
[10:51] <MkShen> Hi I need a system equalizer for pulseaudio equalizer does not work
[10:52] <MkShen> any suggestions?
[10:53] <MkShen> sound by default in the latest version of xubuntu has many serious default
[10:55] <MkShen> excesive bass
[10:56] <MkShen> help please
[10:56] <knome> !patience | MkShen
[10:59] <MkShen> ok thanks
[12:32] <goly> hello
[15:25] <bpat1434> When I boot up with full disk encryption, my laptop shows just a black screen with the backlight lit, but no interface of actually displaying a keyphrase prompt.  Is there any way I can fix that so it shows? The only way I know if I got the password right is to watch the HDD activity indicator light.
[15:26] <koegs> did it ever show that interface?
[15:32] <bpat1434> koegs, no
[15:32] <bpat1434> koegs, but the default Ubuntu (with Unity) shows on a friends laptop
[15:32] <koegs> what vga card do you have?
[15:33] <bpat1434> koegs, it's an nvidia GF119M
[15:33] <bpat1434> or the built-in Intel crap
[15:34] <bpat1434> koegs, lspci output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713733/
[15:35] <koegs> i am not sure, but if you dont need the shiny splash on boot, you could disable plymouth
[15:35] <koegs> as a workaround of course :)
[15:35] <bpat1434> will that just show me a text prompt for password?
[15:35] <koegs> hopefully: yes
[15:36] <bpat1434> I'd prefer the bells and whistles.... but I'll keep that as a backup
[15:36] <koegs> edit /etc/default/grub, replace "quiet splash" with "noplymouth" then run "sudo update-grub"
[15:37] <koegs> also you can uncomment #GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[15:37] <koegs> then you have old low-res test-console
[15:37] <koegs> *text
[15:37] <bpat1434> ok
[15:37] <bpat1434> worth a shot
[15:37] <bpat1434> will be back eventually
[15:51] <xubuntu563> xubuntu is awesome!
[16:05] <GridCube> :)
[16:33] <lderan> hello elfy
[16:39] <xubunturocky> im somewhat of a noob i got ahold of this old dell with xp on it and im trying to switch to xubuntu
[16:41] <xubunturocky> so im downloading 12.04 and burning it to a cd after that all i should have to do is from a cd and follow instructions right
[16:41] <lderan> yup :)
[16:41] <xubunturocky> boot from a cd sorry for the typo
[16:42] <xubunturocky> cool thanks ive been trying this with ubuntu and its not working so i heard xubuntu is more compatible with older hardware
[16:49] <GridCube> *sort off*
[16:52] <bpat1434> koegs, thanks for the help.  While the text prompt isn't as fancy, it at least works
[17:44] <_Marcus> Xubuntu 13.04 desktop AMD64 iso is 800 MB, how do I make it lower?
[17:44] <_Marcus> I want to put it on a CD
[17:44] <knome> _Marcus, you can't.
[17:44] <bazhang> use a dvd or a usb stick
[17:44] <bazhang> or use the mini iso
[17:45] <bazhang> !mini | _Marcus
[17:46] <knome> there are also instructions on the xubuntu website on how to boot from a USB stick with the help of a CD with PC's that do not support booting from USB
[17:46] <_Marcus> Doesn't the mini use the Debian installer?
[17:46] <xubuntu799> hallo
[18:02] <xubuntu259> I'm having trouble getting an SD Card reader to work on xubuntu 11.10.  Any suggestions?  Reboot and update done already
[18:03] <knome> xubuntu259, i'd take backups and upgrade to 12.04 before i did anything else
[18:07] <xubuntu259> You know what, I'm unsure my version.  The help menu link just points to a site that displays 11.10
[18:08] <knome> xubuntu259, can you type 'lsb_release -a' in the terminal
[18:08] <knome> xubuntu259, the version number in the documentation might be unfortunately incorrect
[18:09] <xubuntu259> I'll try it, thanks  :)
[18:10] <knome> NePtUnO|Off, can you please not use away nicks? thanks.
[18:10] <xubuntu259> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS Release:
[18:10] <knome> okay, then your version is 12.04(.2)
[18:11] <knome> did you have the card reader working before?
[18:11] <NePtUnO|Off> why?
[18:11] <xubuntu259> No issues with card or reader, verified on Win8.  Of course Win8 wanted to format it...
[18:12] <knome> NePtUnO|Off, because they bring unwanted lines to the channel. if you want to discuss it further, you can join #ubuntu-ops. alternatively, just refrain from using those
[18:12] <xubuntu259> I tried to find a hardware search tool, but couldn't find one
[18:12] <knome> xubuntu259, have you googled if your hardware is supposed to be supported on linux generally?
[18:13] <NePtUnO|Off> lines? for change the nick? pfffff....
[18:13] <xubuntu259> no, but not sure why that would have changed
[18:13] <knome> xubuntu259, so have you had it working in linux before?
[18:15] <xubuntu259> yeah, for weeks
[18:15] <xubuntu259> hmm
[18:15] <knome> xubuntu259, ok. is it a usb device, or a pci card?
[18:15] <xubuntu259> usb
[18:16] <xubuntu259> I have always right clicked and ejected before pulling it too...
[18:18] <knome> xubuntu259, can you check what 'lsusb' says on a terminal to confirm if it's recognised?
[18:20] <xubuntu259> user@user-laptop:~$ lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 413c:a005 Dell Computer Corp. Internal 2.0 Hub Bus 004 Device 003: ID
[18:22] <xubuntu259> Bus 001 Device 009: ID 058f:6366 Alcor Micro Corp. Multi Flash Reader
[18:28] <xubuntu259> Sd card must be garbage
[18:30] <xubuntu259> thanks knome for the commands
[19:03] <jacklk> When trying to start Teeworlds I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/dEZ64rWP Any ideas?
[19:04] <knome> jacklk, i don't know what Teeworlds is, but i'd see support for that
[19:05] <jacklk> knome: this seems an error with OpenGL programs not the game itself
[19:06] <Unit193> jacklk: What driver/graphics card are you using?
[19:06] <jacklk> ATI Radeon HD 6450
[19:16] <jacklk> I will use Ubuntu's open source drivers for now as I heard the ATI ones don't work well.
[19:16] <jacklk> hopefully that should fix the issue
[19:17] <Peyam> alla döda
[19:21] <jacklk> it now works fine
[19:38] <Unit193> jacklk: Well, glad that fixed it!  (I stepped away, used to have or randomly have a different reason for it.)
[19:39] <heoyea> how u get the bubble noise when u change volume up and down?
[19:40] <Sysi> xfce4-volumed should produce it
[19:47] <heoyea> Sysi: just installed, but no noise indicator, cant hear nothing when i change
[19:54] <Sysi> heoyea: oh right noise, not alert bubble
[19:54] <Sysi> heoyea: somewhere in settings is "enable event sounds", I don't remember where
[20:04] <heoyea> Sysi: just enable that, still no sound tho
[20:06] <heoyea> Sysi: Thanks tho, guess ill just use the non-noise indicator for now
[20:13] <brainwash> heoyea: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7199 might contain some helpful information
[20:28] <seronis> is there some package I can install that will enable  'print to png file'
[20:28] <heoyea> seronis: u can save it to pdf
[20:28] <heoyea> brainwash: Thanks ill try some of those
[20:29] <seronis> heoyea: I want bmp/png   only options for file is  pdf/postscript/svg
[20:29] <heoyea> seronis: u can convert it to png after i guess
[20:30] <Sysi> gimp can import pdf and svg AFAIK and export as whatever
[20:32] <heoyea> u can just do
[20:32] <heoyea> convert file.pdf output.png
[20:32] <seronis> can it do that without waisting 30-45 seconds loading all its gui components?   id still prefer it to be done as a printer target so I can skip intermediate steps
[20:32]  * seronis goes   'man convert'  too
[20:33] <heoyea> takes about 2 secs
[20:33] <heoyea> depending on the file
[20:33] <genii-around> Assuming you have imagemagick installed
[20:33] <heoyea> oh yes, u need that
[20:34] <seronis> well the man page worked.. so i assume so
[20:34] <seronis> and  -wow-..  convert does everything
[20:36] <seronis> heoyea: thank you this will cover my needs for now. would still be interested in a printer option that automates this =-)
[20:37] <Sysi> seems that cups just doesn't support this, but you could script and/or maybe create thunar custom action for convert
[21:32] <xubuntu244> so much nabz!
[21:32] <xubuntu244> hi all
[21:32] <xubuntu244> i've installed this awesome kernelpanic distro <3
[21:33] <xubuntu244> hmmm....
[21:35] <xubuntu244> kkk niggas
[21:35] <xubuntu244> see ya
[22:38] <deckard> hello. May i post a pastebin link and maybe someone could take a look and see something i am missing?
[22:40] <deckard> http://pastebin.com/aWVzBs7s if someone would be so kind to look :)
[22:40] <deckard> all the 32bit librarys are installed, at least sudo says it is
[22:44] <seronis> deckard: havent followed link yet but can you also state the problem ?
[22:45] <deckard> I game ran now it doesnt, i get errors i dont understand
[22:45] <deckard> the only thing i had done wouldbe to install some VPN client now this game wont launch
[22:47] <deckard> i will settle to just set ubuntu back to defaults but i dont know how to do that either but i assume it will fix it starting over from scratch
[22:50] <seronis> deckard:  well i havent bothered reinstalling a SL client since i switched from windows, so i'll give it a shot and see if any problems show up for me (hopefully someone else might already know the answer)
[22:51] <deckard> it always worked though, fyi
[22:51] <deckard> just the other day i get this now
[22:51] <deckard> and the only thing i installed was a VPN GUI
[22:52] <seronis> deckard:  anything to do with LL changing some client options recently? there was a change in texture baking and some clients wont work any more
[22:52] <deckard> nope
[22:53] <deckard> worked 100% up to a day ago
[22:53] <deckard> this viewer is ready for server side bake
[22:56] <deckard> can you tell me how to just reset the ubuntu half of the duel boot to be like day one install?
[23:00] <deckard> okay well i was told the installed cd will give the option to wipe and install ubuntu over itself, i guess thats whati want
[23:00] <deckard> ty for help though


[00:12] <swift110> oh ok
[00:23] <ecov> Kubuntu 19.10 plasma 5.18.2 anyone know how to change system sounds?
[01:49] <fructose> I'm on kernel 5.0.0-38-generic, but when I apt source kernel-source, edit and build a driver, and insmod it, it fails and dmesg reports a version magic 5.0.21. How do I get that to match 5.0.0-38-generic instead?
[03:00] <valorie> fructose: have you asked in #ubuntu-kernel ?
[03:01] <valorie> those specialists have been very helpful to me in the past
[03:02] <fructose> valorie: No, as you saw, I tried #kubuntu-devel first and was told it was a support question
[03:04] <fructose> valorie: Just gave it a shot though, thanks
[03:04] <valorie> be prepared to wait though
[03:04] <valorie> best of luck
[03:24] <swift110> hmm
[03:24] <swift110> how are you folks
[04:52] <quetzal> hi
[05:28] <swift110> how r u quetzal
[05:40] <quetzal> i'm okey now thnx
[06:11] <swift110> good quetzal what are you up to
[06:48] <michael__> ok heres problem i created a backup on a seperate drive but when i create a folder all i see is lost and found?
[06:50] <valorie> it sounds like your separate drive isn't mounted
[06:50] <valorie> !fstab
[06:50] <michael__> ok thank you ill read that
[06:51] <valorie> I'm not sure that's the problem but it sounds likely
[06:51] <michael__> ok
[06:52] <valorie> !mount
[06:53] <valorie> hmmm, that's word salad to me
[06:53] <valorie> !DiskMounter
[06:53] <valorie> ubottu is full of facts
[06:54] <michael__> lol
 @ubottu, Does it terrify anyone that `ubottu` is actually smarter than most of our human overlords?
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:08] <valorie> @blooalien - but humans make and feed ubottu
[07:08] <valorie> and teach
[07:09] <michael__> ok got it thanks for the help gparted did the trick
 @valorie, `ubottu:` "Mmmm...  Brainz!"  🧠
[11:17] <pnts-se> I'm having problem when using Kubuntu  19.10, KDE plasma 5.16.5. When connecting to a dock with external screen, I often don't get the login dialog and have to reboot laptop. Could you point me in the right direction for documentation, trouble shooting?
[11:54] <uczen> hi
[11:55] <uczen> hello?
[11:55] <uczen> Cześć
[11:56] <uczen> hej
[11:56] <uczen> widzisz
[11:57] <arektogreszta> dobry
[11:57] <uczen> cześć
[11:57] <arektogreszta> jak tam życie?
[11:58] <uczen> a nic jakoś leci a u cb?
[11:58] <arektogreszta> jogi jak tam u ciebie?
[11:58] <mateusz_> co tam ludzie
[11:58] <uczen>  a nic :)
[12:01] <mateusz_> as
[12:01] <uczen> file:///home/uczen/Pobrane/paczek.jpg
[12:02] <uczen> nice
[12:02] <uczen> lol
[12:03] <Kolbier> elo
[12:03] <Kolbier> eluwina
[12:03] <mateusz_> no siema
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[17:04] <quetzal> is there any widget for KDE to see images slider on desktop?
[17:55] <joanne> I am installing Ubuntu and wish to if I can  install KDE Plasma over top of Ubuntu
[22:02] <user|69315> Hi! I am a total novice when it comes to anything tech. BUT my old laptop hard drive. I removed it, replaced it with a SSD and am now trying to install Kubuntu as the os. I made a bootable usb drive with the iso file and put it in my laptop and it just seems to be stuck on the title screen. Is it installing? did I miss a step? I wasnt prompted to s
[22:02] <user|69315> elect any language or anything like that....
[22:13] <bprompt> user|69315:  hmmmm did you ever partition the SSD or format it yet? how big is it? 120Gbs?  256Gbs? how fast of a cpu is it on your laptop?
[22:15] <oerheks> after putting the ssd in, have you been in the bios? important step to make it recognized.
 @joanne, You can install any of the common Linux desktop environments on Ubuntu fairly easily from the package manager.   For the case of KDE (per your request), you'd want to `sudo apt install kde-full` to get the full KDE desktop experience.  (The easier way, however is to install the official Kubuntu, which is Ubuntu with KDE all pre-installed and ready to rock.)


[20:54] <mup> PR operator#680 opened: Make the storage harness work when metadata keys have hyphens <Created by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/680>


[02:08] <Pici> tsimpson: $curLTSlong looks to be misspelt
[02:09] <tsimpson> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.curLTSlong
[02:09] <tsimpson> oh yeah
[02:09] <tsimpson> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.curLTSlong Hardy Heron
[02:09] <boss_mc> Pici: I just reported that, cheers for fixing
[02:09] <Pici> thank ye
[02:09] <boss_mc> tsimpson: ta
[02:09] <Pici> boss_mc: yes, I saw :)
[02:10] <boss_mc> ah, the joys of community help! adios!
[02:48]  * elky_work growls at zend
[05:43] <mneptok> Myrtti: hei!
[05:45]  * Myrtti isn''t really awake yet, sneaks back to bed
[05:45] <mneptok> hauskaa juhannusta. :P
[05:55] <bazhang> anyone else see Smis' comments? I missed them by about 15 minutes (seem bad enough to not let him remain in #ubuntu even so)
[06:18] <bazhang> any objections to removing him now?
[07:00] <Flannel> I removed him now, yeah, it's really tardy, but it's also really unacceptable
[12:01] <elky> here we go...
[12:06] <jussi01> hah?
[12:06] <bazhang> bacta?
[12:29] <elky> yah
[12:41] <pantsman> umm why is #ubuntu-offtopic fowarding to here?
[12:43]  * Myrtti guesses the quit message
[12:43] <Myrtti> 2009-06-13T22:48:02 *** pantsman (pantsman!n=ben@pdpc/supporter/active/pantsman) has quit IRC ("My new Internet penis is here!")
[12:54] <pantsman> that was my quit message? haha
[12:55] <pantsman> well I'm genuinely surprised anyone found that offensive
[13:52] <popey> @login
[13:53] <ubott2> The operation succeeded.
[14:25] <Tm_T> hmm, ubottu is "missing"
[14:44] <Pici> !ping
[14:44] <ubott2> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[14:44] <Pici> Oh hello there
[14:55] <Pici> ah, much snappier now.
[14:55] <tsimpson> it was in a loop with ghost -> nick -> fail
[14:56] <tsimpson> because #k-o-m was +m so /nick failed
[14:56] <Pici> #k-o-m ?
[14:56] <tsimpson> -monitor for #k
[14:56] <Pici> ah
[17:15] <Pici> arg
[17:59] <ikonia> what's up ?
[18:24] <Tm_T> roof?
[18:25] <Flannel> sky
[18:25]  * genii sips his coffee
[22:13] <ikonia> I'm not comfortable putting PPA solutions in the topic in #kubuntu
[22:27] <ikonia> @mark #kubuntu shadeslayer shadeslayer is running kde nightly builds on kubuntu base and keeps asking for help with his system
[23:54] <Mamarok> ikonia: shadeslayer again? arghs


[00:53] <cjwatson> OldManWinter: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arch-install-scripts/+publishinghistory says that it was moved to the release pocket, but the copy must have failed for some reason, sigh
[00:55] <cjwatson> Ah, that was when the librarian was very sad
[00:56] <cjwatson> Re-copied manually
[00:56] <cjwatson> And there were a few others that hit the same problem - just going through those quickly
[01:01] <cjwatson> In fact the only other one actually affected was mpd 0.21.4-1build1, which I've also re-copied manually
[01:02] <cjwatson> A few other copies hit the same failure but timing of publisher runs vs. proposed-migration runs meant that the copy happened to be retried later and worked
[01:02] <cjwatson> OldManWinter: thanks for bringing this to our attention before the relevant logs expired from disk :)
[01:40] <OldManWinter> cjwatson: Ah, sorry I didn't check the history.  Thanks for fixing this.
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[07:06] <acheronuk> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:06] <acheronuk>  mpd : Depends: libnfs12 (>= 1.9.7) but it is not installable
[07:06] <acheronuk> Kubuntu iso build ^^
[07:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gyoto [arm64] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.3.0-1] (no packageset)
[07:13] <acheronuk> E: Package 'libnfs12' has no installation candidate
[07:15] <acheronuk> cjwatson: is this releated to your previous issue? ^^
[07:16] <acheronuk> publishing history says https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnfs/3.0.0-1 was deleted from proposed to move to release, but it has not made it there
[07:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gyoto [armhf] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.3.0-1] (no packageset)
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[07:44] <acheronuk> cjwatson vorlon maybe? : seems latest vlc  3.0.6-1 never made it to release pocket either, which built against the vanished libnfs12
[08:13] <LocutusOfBorg> Removed from disk on 2019-01-11.
[08:13] <LocutusOfBorg> Removal requested on 2019-01-11.
[08:14] <vorlon> acheronuk, cjwatson: well, I don't have time to dig into the reason the package didn't migrate to disco, but I have copied it back to -proposed again for reconsideration
[08:14] <acheronuk> vorlon: thank you
[08:14] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, which one?
[08:14] <vorlon> libnfs
[08:14] <LocutusOfBorg> and vlc? :)
[08:15] <acheronuk> ^
[08:15] <vorlon> looking
[08:15] <LocutusOfBorg> can we find a list of them?
[08:16] <vorlon> that's the part I don't have time to dig into
[08:17] <LocutusOfBorg> sure, maybe somebody else can pick the question :D
[08:17] <vorlon> vlc also copied
[08:17] <acheronuk> ty again
[08:18] <vorlon> anyway, someone can probably track down through the logs when those copies were supposed to have happened, and see what else was part of that proposed-migration run
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like it happened on 11/01/2019
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, I'm posting a clue (not for you) :)
[08:20] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like mpd took 7 days to publish
[08:20] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpd/+publishinghistory
[08:20] <LocutusOfBorg> Deleted on 2019-01-11 by Ubuntu Archive Robot
[08:20] <LocutusOfBorg> moved to release
[08:20] <acheronuk> LocutusOfBorg: my iso build would have failed before today if that was completely true
[08:20] <LocutusOfBorg> 2019-01-18 02:13:17 CET	Published	Disco	release	universe	sound	0.21.4-1build1
[08:21] <acheronuk> [08:20] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like mpd took 7 days to publish
[08:21] <LocutusOfBorg> oh yeah got it
[08:22] <LocutusOfBorg> publisher logs might be helpful
[08:23] <acheronuk> colin poked that mpd publish yesterday, but not the rest, so that is why I got the iso fail today and not before
[08:23]  * acheronuk seeks more caffeine
[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> oh that makes sense then :)
[09:13] <vorlon> Laney: sorry, I'm also not current on the autopkgtest queue status, but I notice that armhf in particular has drained, presumably with the help of the new runner.  Do you see any evidence that the bionic host is any less reliable than the previous xenial ones?
[09:13] <Laney> vorlon: Actually the outage yesterday ruined most of the runners, so I redeployed them all :-)
[09:13] <vorlon> hah
[09:13] <vorlon> Laney: on bionic or xenial?
[09:14] <Laney> bionic
[09:14] <vorlon> cool
[09:14] <Laney> Seems to have worked pretty well
[09:15] <ginggs> is auto-sync off? "Not copying packages in dry-run mode." at the end of recent logs
[09:15] <Laney> briefly
[09:16] <Laney> and for future reference, that's what "turned off" looks like, yes
[09:16] <ginggs> Laney: thanks
[09:43] <cjwatson> Oh, I see why I missed those failed copies in my search.
[09:43] <cjwatson> Doing another trawl now, modulo getting COFFEE
[09:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ec2-hibinit-agent [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~18.10.0]
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[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=ocaml-gettext&suite=unstable its a debian issue
[09:59] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: are you filing a bug report?
[10:01] <cjwatson> libplacebo 1.7.0-2, mgltools-volume 1.5.7-3, lzlib 1.11-1, mgltools-webservices 1.5.7-3
[10:01] <cjwatson> all copied back to -proposed for reconsideration (which is a better strategy than copying to release and I should have done that last night too)
[10:01] <cjwatson> acheronuk,vorlon,LocutusOfBorg: all the leftovers should be sorted now - sorry about that
[10:03] <cjwatson> employees can see the IR documenting the librarian problems for that time period at https://wiki.canonical.com/IncidentReports/2019-01-11-PS4-Swift-Librarian-Slowness - essentially some files had ended up with the wrong ownership in one of the swift storage nodes, and as a result the swift proxy was failing which in turn caused librarian failures
[10:05] <cjwatson> the reason why I didn't spot the other failed copies last month is that when I was going through Launchpad logs it was past midnight so I forgot that some copies are handled by a celery worker and some are handled by a fallback cron job, depending on timing, so I only looked through the logs for the latter
[10:05] <cjwatson> s/last month/last night/
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[10:24] <vorlon> Laney: so given the redeploy, do we now have the right number of armhf lxd runners?  Is the armhf queue drained ahead of other archs because it's now overpowered, or because armhf had a head start?
[10:31] <Laney> vorlon: Well, one thing is that I had almost all the workers off overnight so that libreoffice and friends could get all the IO to themselves
[10:31] <vorlon> ok
[10:31] <vorlon> so "insufficient data" and we should wait until the backlog clears and refills, or until wgrant yells at us, to reassess.
[10:31] <Laney> vorlon: have you noticed that i386 has a problem with rebooting?
[10:32] <vorlon> is that what it is?
[10:32] <Laney> (unrelated)
[10:32] <Laney> (but affects i386 throughput)
[10:32] <vorlon> I had noticed *a* test that had problems with something reboot-ish on i386 (ros-ros-common?)
[10:33] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9wkv6yGMXS/
[10:33] <wgrant> YOU
[10:33] <vorlon> is... is that wgrant yelling at us?
[10:34] <Laney> probably just the wind
[10:34] <Laney> I've been watching the journal go by and have seen that panic a few times on i386
[10:41] <vorlon> Laney: PARTUUID - so did something about this reboot change which kernel was being booted?
[10:41] <vorlon> kernel flavor
[10:42] <vorlon> (it's i386, so aren't they just running the generic i386 kernel?)
[10:44] <Laney> not wrt the cloud image itself, which 'sometimes' boots OK
[10:44] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zm9Qhy7MDZ/ <- there's a complete log
[10:45] <Laney> that one looks like the initial boot was the one that failed
[11:09] <kstenerud> Hi guys, I've encountered a broken package in disco that is holding up a bunch of dependent packages. diaspora-installer fails to install on disco, and also fails to install on debian/sid
[11:15] <rbasak> ^ it's holding up exim4 proposed migration. Please could you kick diaspora-installer back into proposed?
[11:39] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, nope, I don't know what is that about, I did have only a quick look
[11:40] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks cjwatson, I don't understand your answer, but I'm happy it is fixed :D
[11:48] <LocutusOfBorg> the wiki is not readable, so meh
[11:49] <cjwatson> Yeah, incident reports are internal I'm afraid
[11:49] <cjwatson> I did start with "employees can see ..."
[11:55] <LocutusOfBorg> sure, interestingly the login is working :)
[11:55] <LocutusOfBorg> general question: I would like to add an autopkgtest trigger feature
[11:55] <LocutusOfBorg> "&trigger=itself"
[11:55] <LocutusOfBorg> does anybody know where the code is and help me find what to change?
[11:57] <ahasenack> LocutusOfBorg: maybe this? https://code.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing
[11:57] <ahasenack> I was following links from "Documentation", found "report bugs <here>", and it's that lp project
[11:58] <ahasenack> although, the "last modified" date being so old may indicate it's not the right branch
[11:58] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure, there is a link on a new git page
[11:58] <LocutusOfBorg> but no "trigger" word inside
[12:04] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: https://git.launchpad.net/autopkgtest-cloud , see autopkgtest-web in there, should be fairly straightforward to see how you might modify that
[12:05] <Laney> not sure if special $pocket versions would be better?
[12:11] <doko> are armhf autopkg tests preferred over arm64 tests?
[12:15] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, you are the master, not me... I was wondering about adding something that doesn't require to write the full version of the package in release, because I have usually to escape "+" or other chars
[12:15] <LocutusOfBorg> and this makes things difficult
[12:21] <Laney> yes, so you could write foo/proposed and it'd look that version up in the given release
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[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> please do *not* accept nodejs, thanks
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I said I'm bootstrapping node-rollup right now
[13:24] <vorlon> mm?
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I need to bootstrap it now, and then nodejs will have testsuite good
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> but please do not make me bootstrap it with old and new nodejs
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, the bootstrap was bad
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> and it build-depends on itself so it was bad over and over
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> I copied the node_modules from debian, and now it is good
[13:25] <vorlon> ok
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> and I have to do mocha, estree and a few others
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> after we can sync nodejs
[13:26] <LocutusOfBorg> oh and acorn
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[14:13] <xnox_> LocutusOfBorg, ok.
[14:13] <xnox_> amd64 and arm64 have been cancelled =/
[14:18] <doko> xnox_: should I remove it?
[14:20] <LocutusOfBorg> yes I deleted them
[14:20] <LocutusOfBorg> yes doko please delete
[14:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected nodejs [armhf] (disco-proposed) [10.15.0~dfsg-8ubuntu1]
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[14:31] <xnox_> doko, cool, thanks.
[14:33] <LocutusOfBorg> it was a real nodejs bug btw...
[14:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I found it by melding usr/lib/nodejs of a debian and an ubuntu chroot
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> this is why the new packages weren't building
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> now the -proposed pocket is mostly self consistent, while -release is broken
[14:41] <LocutusOfBorg> and node-buble is good!
[14:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: node-terser (disco-proposed/primary) [3.14.1-1]
[14:53] <LocutusOfBorg> please process it ^^
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-terser [sync] (disco-proposed) [3.14.1-1]
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[15:13] <LocutusOfBorg> yes ^^
[15:38] <LocutusOfBorg> is is a sad day when lp infra is down :/
[15:38] <teward> unfortunate but true
[15:38] <LocutusOfBorg> NODEJS IS GREEENNNNNNNN
[15:38] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+build/16293297
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nodejs [s390x] (disco-proposed/universe) [10.15.0~dfsg-8] (kubuntu)
[15:49] <LocutusOfBorg> :D
[15:49] <LocutusOfBorg> go go go
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[17:52] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept nodejs!
[17:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openldap [arm64] (disco-proposed/main) [2.4.47+dfsg-2ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[17:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nodejs [amd64] (disco-proposed) [10.15.0~dfsg-8]
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[18:00] <LocutusOfBorg> and now see the world burn! :D
[18:08] <teward> LocutusOfBorg: too late, it's already been burning for months :P
[18:08] <teward> *watches Perl break things and watches autopkgtests seize up again*
[18:09] <LocutusOfBorg> perl is not there...
[18:09] <teward> (nah, but seriously things're moving again heh)
[18:09] <teward> LocutusOfBorg: just wait for it :P
[18:09]  * LocutusOfBorg googles for perl 5.30 release schedule
[18:10] <LocutusOfBorg>   22   2019-05-20  5.30.0          Stable release!
[18:10] <LocutusOfBorg> gosh
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[06:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:00] <ducasse> hi all
[09:05] <ducasse> nicomachus: hihihi - himom came back, everything worked perfectly in 16.04.1 and with only some artifacts in 16.04.3 :)
[09:26] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[09:26] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[09:29] <ducasse> \o lordievader - good, thanks. heading out in a minute to pick up a cheapo tablet for ebooks.
[09:35] <lordievader> What kind of screen are you targeting?
[09:36] <ducasse> it's a small 7" tablet, but ips and has gotten good reviews. it's only about £40-45, so not a huge gamble.
[09:37] <lordievader> No indeed. I bought the Ipad 4 a number of years ago, for its high resolution screen. Does a good job at reading :)
[09:40] <ducasse> yes, but that's a bit more expensive :) i won't be using this that much, so it seems like a good deal. it's a lenovo tab3 something.
[09:40] <lordievader> Thought my girlfriend bought something along those lines.
[09:40] <lordievader> Quite an okay tablet.
[09:40] <immu> hey lordievader
[09:41] <lordievader> Bit plasticy, but you cant expect much more for that price ;)
[09:41] <lordievader> Hey immu, how are you doing?
[09:41] <immu> i am good
[09:41] <lordievader> :)
[09:44] <immu> u
[09:44] <lordievader> I'm doing good. Remapped capslock to control this morning, I should have done that way earlier.
[09:45] <ducasse> mine has always been compose :)
[09:45] <lordievader> I had it as compose too. But I figured, it would get more use as a control key since it is on the home row.
[09:46] <ducasse> i'm thinking of making it an esc for vim, that could possibly be useful
[09:55] <ducasse> ok, heading out. bbl.
[09:59] <lordievader> ctrl + [ acts as escape, hence I have opted for control, since i have may more bindings to control.
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:42] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader
[10:44] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[10:44] <BluesKaj> good. and you?
[10:51] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[10:51] <lordievader> Made an improvement to my keyboard, remapped the capslock to control :D
[10:58] <BluesKaj> I just disable it
[16:22] <lotus|artfulbox> good evening to all
[16:23] <oerheks> hey lotus|artfulbox
[16:23] <lotus|artfulbox> hey oerheks
[16:23] <lotus|artfulbox> updating artful box
[16:27] <oerheks> brb reboot
[16:30] <lotus|artfulbox> wb
[16:36] <oerheks> those updates is killing me uptime
[16:38] <lotus|artfulbox> :p
[16:38] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, got to .3?
[16:39] <lotus|artfulbox> lotuspsychje@artful-bugbox:~$ uname -a
[16:39] <lotus|artfulbox> Linux artful-bugbox 4.11.0-10-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 29 15:03:41 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:41] <lotus|artfulbox> lets c what happens if i open like 20 apps on gnome activities
[16:41] <oerheks> No, still on zesty 4.10.0.something
[16:44] <lotus|artfulbox> http://imgur.com/a/OEQbx
[16:44] <lotus|artfulbox> lol
[16:44] <lotus|artfulbox> seems like its not lagging
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox artful
[16:50] <oerheks> huh, 50?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/phew-ubuntu-17-10-will-desktop-dock
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> yes!
[16:51] <nacc> oerheks: a-p has 54.0
[16:51] <nacc> oerheks: i'm guessing one of the many transitions going on
[16:51] <nacc> (perl, python, etc.)
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> oerheks, think final release will have a newer version?
[16:52] <oerheks> lotuspsychje, i am baffled actually ..
[16:52] <nacc> oerheks: ah it failed to build
[16:52] <nacc> oerheks: on armhf and ppc64el
[16:52] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/54.0+build3-0ubuntu1
[16:52] <oerheks> ohh, then it would be fixed before release
[16:53] <nacc> ERROR: Don't know how to translate powerpc64le-unknown-linux-gnu for rustc
[16:53] <oerheks> maybe they wait for ff 55, in a few weeks
[16:53] <nacc> heh
[16:53] <oerheks> lotuspsychje, now you still have flash support, lucky you
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> RIP 2018?
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> im so thrilled to see final gnome 17.10 :p
[16:54] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, 2020
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx kostkon
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> few years of more exploits then :p
[16:55] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, there's still time for a few more meh
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> seems like the 17.10 survey did it job, and influenced how gnome will look for ubuntu
[16:59]  * lotuspsychje is happy
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> https://didrocks.fr/2017/08/03/ubuntu--guadec-2017-and-plans-for-gnome-shell-migration/#fn:1
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/07/28/ubuntu-desktop-weekly-update-july-28-2017/
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys, cu next testing on this box
[17:26] <nicomachus> ducasse: shocker
[17:39] <oerheks> BluesKaj, oh wait, it is weekend support again :-D
[17:50] <oerheks> nicomachus, ubuntu is boringly good, but mankind is great creating issues


[02:19] <Takyoji> Bleh, I feel pathetic that I haven't taught my parents in depth of how to use a computer
[02:27] <kermit> you dont want them online
[02:27] <kermit> they'll email you and message you and post to your facebook wall
[02:27] <kermit> and want to video chat
[02:27] <kermit> and play yahoo games
[02:29] <Takyoji> My mother already uses Facebook. :P
[02:30] <Takyoji> all she currently uses is Firefox and Evolution.
[02:30] <Takyoji> And all my father uses is Evolution.
[02:34] <Takyoji> otherwise it would be a bit more beneficial for my father since he barely has an computer knowledge, and that's really the kind of thing he needs for employment in some cases.
[02:35] <Takyoji> I also have to plan an update procedure for the family desktop as well yet
[02:35] <Takyoji> I have yet to boot the 10.04 LiveCD to see if the system even functions. :P
[02:38] <Takyoji> Anyone have a spare LCD monitor they're willing to sell?
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Only if you're paying enough to replace it with :P
[03:14]  * Takyoji_ wonders if anyone is alive
[03:16]  * tonyyarusso is
[03:16] <tonyyarusso> boring, but alive
[03:16] <Takyoji_> Is there a method to upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04?
[03:16] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: clincally anyways :P
[03:16] <Takyoji_> Without having to upgrade to 9.10 first?
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> no
[03:17] <Takyoji_> alright, I'll do the long way then
[03:39] <Takyoji> Yay
[03:40] <Takyoji> Didn't know they added this: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/06/enable-users-to-login-automatically-without-passwords-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[03:40] <Takyoji> That makes my life simpler
[03:40] <Takyoji> Because there was an annoying workaround that you'd have to do in order to do it with GDM
[05:06] <Takyoji> Anyone used BURG at all?
[05:07] <Takyoji> of which is basically graphical GRUB
[07:50] <_diablo> Takyoji: I've seen it, but no, never tried it
[07:51] <Takyoji> Well that was an interesting case. I upgraded the family desktop to 10.04, and when I popped in my mother's account, the cursor was invisible.
[08:10] <_diablo> whoa. weird
[08:10] <Takyoji> And setting the cursor via the Appearance panel didn't do anything
[08:10] <_diablo> yeah, I never update anything. I find a fresh install to be by far the cleanest way of dealing with these things
[08:11] <Takyoji> So I had to run: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[08:11] <Takyoji> to basically reset the cursor theme system-wide
[08:14] <Takyoji> and of course it worked thereafter just fine
[08:23] <Takyoji> Ooo, software-center seems to be getting more orderly of categorization
[08:24] <Takyoji> However "Office" and "Accessories" are not organized into subcategories yet..
[08:31] <_diablo> hmmmm, odd
[08:32] <Takyoji> But still, it's progress!
[08:32] <_diablo> yup!
[08:32] <_diablo> night all
[08:32] <Takyoji> Night
[20:18] <Takyoji> For LPIC, do you have to go step-by-step, or just test for any level of the certification?
[20:19] <Takyoji> ahh, I guess it is a prerequisite to have the prior certification.
[20:24] <Obsidian1723> Start at 1
[20:24] <Obsidian1723> Honestly, all you need for Linux is the Linux+
[20:25] <Obsidian1723> I've never seen anyon e ask for a RHCE, UCP, LPICx, etc
[20:25] <Obsidian1723> The path I wsent is DCSE > Network+ > Linux+ > going for Secureity+ and then a CISSP.
[20:25] <Obsidian1723> Out of a 900 perfect score on the Linux+, I got 850.
[20:26] <Obsidian1723> With the LPICs, if you let them lapse, you must start all the way over, like with Cisco.
[20:29] <Takyoji> I could get Linux+ done any day. :P
[20:30] <Takyoji> last time I checked the objectives of it
[20:32] <Obsidian1723> Why not do it then?
[20:32] <Obsidian1723> I'm simply stating that with Linux, certs aren't really needed - except to get by HR.
[20:34] <kermit> Obsidian1723: haha yeah i was juts telling a friend that
[20:35] <kermit> he suggested we go get certs togerther.. i said one cert on my otherwise non existant resume would look worse than none.
[20:35] <Obsidian1723> I've never seen anyone ask for a Linux cert.
[20:35] <Obsidian1723> yeah
[20:35] <Obsidian1723> certs alone = bad
[20:35] <Obsidian1723> experience alone = bad
[20:35] <Obsidian1723> both together = good
[20:36] <Obsidian1723> If push comes to shove, one vs the other, experience is better.
[20:36] <Obsidian1723> all certs do is say that you have put i nthe time and can meet a certain standard.
[20:36] <Obsidian1723> or at least you SHOULD be able to.
[20:36] <kermit> i just want to put "1983: c64 -> 1987: DOS -> 1996: linux    and on rare occation, some win" and leave the rest blank ;)
[20:36] <kermit> on my resume
[20:37] <Obsidian1723> Certs is a nice CYA for HR. "Well Jim, when Tom took down the entire network by mistake, he SAID he was a network enigeer" vs " Well Jim, Tom had an impressive resume with experience and the certs, so he should have known better."
[20:38] <Takyoji> Considering I'm generally freelance, I'd only be able to go along the lines of a work portfolio since I haven't actually "worked" on an hourly basis within a company, yes?
[20:38] <kermit> i may go for an "i've never needed a 'job' before, so until i figure out how to properly market myself, you're going to get a steal for my services." approach.
[20:38] <Obsidian1723> more project based, yeah
[20:39] <kermit> the trick with job hunting is to not sound arrogant, but still sound usefu
[20:39] <kermit> l
[20:39] <Obsidian1723> I use certs because then my customers can have a certified tech, and my employer can also benefit at my dayjob.
[20:39] <Takyoji> Because my mother is just forcing me to do the ol' flippin' burgers at a fast food restaurant. xP
[20:40] <Takyoji> and I can certainly get better employment than that.
[20:40] <Obsidian1723> kermit, yeah, but more than that. The trick is to demonstrate and show that "Here is what I have done in the past. Here is what I can do for you now and in the future." Find a need and fulfill it for them.
[20:40] <Obsidian1723> Tak, maybe.
[20:40] <Obsidian1723> How old are you?
[20:41] <Takyoji> 18
[20:41] <kermit> Takyoji: omg i'm twice as old as you
[20:41] <Obsidian1723> Well, you may get in somewhere, youth is on your side, but not experience.
[20:41] <Takyoji> I've always done freelance, I haven't had an hourly job
[20:41]  * kermit thanks Obsidian1723 for being older
[20:41] <Obsidian1723> I'm 43. Been at this whole computer deal since the late 70s.
[20:41] <Obsidian1723> heh
[20:42] <kermit> Obsidian1723:  are you mark christiansen?
[20:42] <kermit> hmm no he wouldnt IRC that much
[20:42] <Obsidian1723> Nope
[20:42] <Obsidian1723> heh I used to irc a lot more in the past. who is Mark?
[20:43] <Takyoji> I've had a couple years of web design, web development, and server administration.
[20:43] <kermit> Obsidian1723: he ran an ISP until 2000
[20:44] <Takyoji> PHP for at least 5 or so years now.
[20:44] <kermit> Obsidian1723: do you remember twinlink, angmar, or orbis?
[20:44] <Obsidian1723> ah
[20:44] <Obsidian1723> Twinlink, yeah
[20:45] <kermit> i was on there a lot in 1988
[20:45] <Obsidian1723> I used to work for a local ISP back in 1996
[20:45] <kermit> were you on there?
[20:45] <Obsidian1723> No.
[20:45] <Obsidian1723> I used to work for a local ISP
[20:46] <Obsidian1723> MinnNet Communications, Inc.
[20:47] <Obsidian1723> Remember Bitstream Underground and Winternet?
[20:47] <kermit> i recall the name winternet
[20:47] <kermit> minnet or muinet?
[20:47] <kermit> i was on muinet
[20:47] <Obsidian1723> old skool
[20:47] <Obsidian1723> MinnNet
[20:48] <Obsidian1723> Remember when the bums started a fire and took out the communications fo Minneapolis?
[20:54] <kermit> haha yeah
[21:04] <Obsidian1723> good times back then.
[21:07] <kermit> Obsidian1723: remember when there was real competition for internet access?
[21:07] <kermit> that was good times, in a somewhat nefarious way ;)
[21:09] <Obsidian1723> yeah, now we are looking at net netruality going away.
[21:10] <Obsidian1723> Takyoji, I'm curious.. if the Linux+ is so easy, why haven't you got one yet?
[21:10] <Obsidian1723> kermit, ever meet Mike Horwath?
[21:10] <kermit> the name doesnt sound familiar
[21:11] <Obsidian1723> Old linux geek from back in the day. He was the admin for Visi, now IPHouse
[21:12] <Takyoji> Obsidian1723: I will. :P
[21:12] <kermit> i hear visi is taking tons of interviews
[21:12] <kermit> but not hiring anyone
[21:13] <Takyoji> Otherwise I just got out of high school a few months ago, and getting it during high school would be bit useless generally
[21:13] <Takyoji> as it expires over time if I remember correctly
[21:13] <_diablo> for getting into server admin work, what should I do to even start getting into it? I've been setting up my own for a while, but don't really know things formally. Should I be aiming for A+ and such?
[21:13] <_diablo> (just graduated college with a useless degree)
[21:14] <Takyoji> Isn't A+ basic hardware components and understanding how an Windows boots?
[21:14] <kermit> the impression i have being an admin isnt somehting you 'get into'.. its somehting you just are.
[21:14] <Takyoji> how Windows boots*
[21:15] <_diablo> Takyoji: yeah, but all the jobs that I've seen in IT require it... :(
[21:15] <Takyoji> and hardware troubleshooting
[21:15] <_diablo> or even just how to get into IT work e.g. help desk, school networking, administration
[21:15] <_diablo> kermit: how did you start?
[21:16] <kermit> _diablo: i've been using linux since 1996 almost exclusively
[21:16] <kermit>  i went from dos to linux, rarely using win
[21:16] <Takyoji> as for Linux+, apparently you can also get LPIC-1 as well with it
[21:16] <_diablo> kermit: but what do you do for work?
[21:16] <kermit> _diablo: i'm unemployeed.. i guess you'd call me a 'linux systems engineer'
[21:16] <kermit> i'll do admin or dev
[21:16] <_diablo> ah, okay. fair enough
[21:17] <kermit> _diablo: i have the opposite problem as you, i have tons of skills but nothing to put on a resume for degrees/certs
[21:18] <_diablo> kermit: yeah, I have no IT degree or cert... Just a fairly useless econ degree. Just graduated and looking for any job now, even mcdonald's
[21:24] <Obsidian1723> Linux+ is lifetime.
[21:24] <kermit> _diablo: no work in econ?
[21:24] <_diablo> kermit: no, not really :( I don't even know where to start
[21:25] <Takyoji> I'm a bit skeptical of lifetime certifications
[21:25] <kermit> _diablo: i dont know much about college but i thought they sort of take care of job placement or push you in the right direction
[21:26] <Obsidian1723> not I.. I dont just get it ands camp on it. I get it and show that I have done XYZ since then.
[21:26] <Takyoji> at least it shows a person jumped through the basic hoop
[21:26] <Takyoji> but yes
[21:26] <_diablo> kermit: yeah, not really. they're not so great lol. they have 55k ppl
[21:27] <kermit> _diablo: which school?
[21:27] <_diablo> kermit: UMN
[21:29]  * Takyoji wonders if anyone has an opinion regarding Dakota County Technical College
[21:29] <kermit> _diablo: so they just give you a degree and wave goodby?
[21:46] <_diablo> kermit: yeah, basically
[21:46] <_diablo> Takyoji: no knowledge of it
[21:47] <Obsidian1723> Tak, if Linux+ was basic, mopre people wpould have it. dont underestimate it.
[21:54] <Takyoji> By the way, what does TFTP lack that FTP has?
[22:05] <kermit> lack? its just totally different
[22:06] <kermit> It cannot list directories, and currently has no provisions for user authentication.
[22:07] <Takyoji> ahh
[22:21] <Obsidian1723> Better to use SFTp
[22:21] <Obsidian1723> sftp
[22:21] <Obsidian1723> grrr
[22:21] <Obsidian1723> SFTP
[22:21] <Obsidian1723> I'd onlyu really use TFTP for a PXE/Netboot environment.
[22:22] <kermit> and flashing routers
[22:24] <Takyoji> Well yea, I'd never use anything unencrypted.
[22:24] <Takyoji> except when TFTP is the only thing possible for a device
[22:26] <kermit> yeah i imagine anyone could inject code into the receiving device fairly easily that way
[22:41] <_diablo> kermit: warkitting
[22:41] <_diablo> http://www.indiana.edu/~phishing/papers/warkit.pdf
[22:49] <Obsidian1723> true kermit
[23:41]  * Takyoji wonders if anyone happens to know of a decent web service out there for wardriving and mapping wireless networks
[23:49] <Obsidian1723> I just use nmap
[23:56] <_diablo> aircrack-ng
[23:57] <Takyoji> I'm talking about aggregates though
[23:57] <Takyoji> Like WiGLE


[00:02] <daftykins> isn't that basically chrome-by-another-name now?
[00:04] <diddledan_> true
[00:04] <diddledan_> it's moved with chrome to the blink thingy instead of apple's webkit
[06:06] <Guest29504> morning all
[06:06] <MooDoo> morning even
[06:11] <mapps> morning
[06:15] <MooDoo> how are you mapps?
[06:16] <mapps> all good, andd you?
[06:16] <mapps> just watching homeland;D
[06:16] <MooDoo> think I've watched a couple of episodes of that
[06:17] <mapps> i was surprised by this series..theyre using real current stories ISIS..overthrong assad etc
[06:17] <mapps> surely this gives ISIS more attention
[06:19] <MooDoo> yeah probably
[06:20] <mapps> having no net for a while sucked
[06:20] <mapps> behind on films and tv:)
[06:25] <MooDoo> I must admit I was on hols last week, so I've binge watched programs I missed
[06:26] <mapps> ;D
[06:26] <mapps> i have tv now yay uk chans..sky ..beIN sports :D
[06:29] <MooDoo> :)
[06:31] <mapps> all uses my net..so when my net died..it died;[
[06:31] <mapps> and wow yesterday big storm so freaking windy scaffolding outside work blew down lol
[06:35] <MooDoo> It's a bit foggy here at the moment.
[06:36] <mapps> heavy rain tonight 8pm onwards
[06:36] <mapps> weird how its so windy and bad rain..then nada
[09:13] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:14] <mapps> morning
[09:16] <davmor2> so this is the tune stuck in my head this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsdy_rct6uo fantastic tune :)
[09:28] <MooDoo> khowdy davmor2
[09:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: caravan is bedded down for the next 5 months :'(
[09:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: where's the van?
[09:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: storage
[09:43] <MooDoo> ah i get you, next time it's out, and you go away, invite us to come see you :)
[09:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Deviled Egg Day! 😃
[10:09] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: see if this plays for you http://www.popscreen.com/v/6CTEK/Deviled-Eggs
[10:29]  * zmoylan-pi settles on coffee and toast instead of boiled eggs or porridge for brekkie
[10:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP-TU0P2Lw4 that one works
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: about a minute in
[10:32] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:34] <JamesTait> davmor2, yeah, the first one didn't work, but the second one did. ☺
[10:34] <JamesTait> davmor2, about 0:54
[10:34] <davmor2> :)
[10:38] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxZZKv4pMw
[11:49] <foobarry> wonder if we can crowdsource a campaign to ask tesco to hand over teh bootloader keys for hudl2
[11:49] <foobarry> now they've ditched it
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> good luck
[11:56] <foobarry> i think their android guy has left too
[11:58] <Myrtti> browsed through Amazon's Deals of the Day section, and they've changed the layout of it. Accidentally added 30 Blurays on a wishlist.
[11:58] <Myrtti> from their 2 for £10 deal bin
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> i never saw a single hudl here in ireland.  i was keen to get one for a while
[11:59] <foobarry> still the best tablet for the price
[11:59] <foobarry> although i heard they were stopping them because of screen cracking issues
[12:00] <foobarry> my guess is that they are ditching blinkbox etc and realising they are not amazon
[12:00] <diplo> foobarry: funnily enough I was reading up on that too, yeah lead engineer has gone and 2 of his underlings I believe, no hudl3 is going to come so I'd say we're not going to get anything
[12:00] <foobarry> a real shame as i'd saved vouchers to buy another
[12:00] <diplo> They are, decided in August so I read, and their home broadband
[12:00] <foobarry> they have no reason *not* to release the keys
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> what's in it for them?
[12:00] <diplo> They don't have the engineers to do it now ?
[12:01] <foobarry> they have some reason to release them as lots of users up the creek without support
[12:01] <foobarry> and 5.1 on the hudl2 just landed and experiencing a few problemw
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> that's not their problem now that they've abandoned them
[12:01] <foobarry> they are still obliged to support those who just bought it
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> they can replace their defective units with another defective unit till the user gives up or fights for a refund
[12:02] <foobarry> or give back to the users . many other tablets unklock bootloaders
[12:02] <foobarry> now there is no incentive for tesco to lock it, they should
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> i just don't see tesco been that nice
[12:02] <foobarry> i would even pay to unlock
[12:03] <foobarry> i would also pay to unlock kindle fire
[12:03] <foobarry> i wonder who the android devs were
[12:04] <foobarry> maybe linkedin knows
[12:04] <foobarry> that was quick
[12:04] <foobarry> LinkedIn Member
[12:04] <foobarry> Android Engineer (about to start something new)
[12:05] <foobarry> Past
[12:05] <foobarry> Lead Android Developer at Tesco (hudl)
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> will code for coupons... :-P
[12:59] <foobarry> if you get a speeding ticket, you pay twice. my insurance has gone up loads
[13:02] <awilkins> After ex-wife got one, she found it cheaper to have me on her policy as a second driver than without
[13:08] <foobarry> some insurers don't touch you
[13:08] <foobarry> :'(
[13:08] <foobarry> should have contested it
[13:09] <foobarry> a new meerkat might soothe the pain
[13:20] <Myrtti> yay meerkats
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> or relax on a nice moomin cushion... http://imgur.com/sZulXCj
[13:33] <foobarry> one of our meerkats has to stay in the box
[13:33] <foobarry> the dog hates it
[13:33] <foobarry> something about the eyes
[13:33] <foobarry> she thinks its a squirrel or meerkat or something
[13:34] <zmoylan-pi>  is there a way to transfer the smell of the dog on to the meerkat to help it accept it?
[13:40] <foobarry> i don't think shes a dummy
[13:40] <foobarry> she's bred for ratting
[13:40] <foobarry> although hasn't caught our mouse yet
[13:42] <diddledan_> that's because mouse != rat :-p
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> a dog/cat brought up seperate from other dogs/cats may not learn how to hunt
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> somewhere in all that picking kitten up by scruff of the neck mother cats impart the information on proper way to bring down a rottweiler :-P
[13:47] <foobarry> my dog loves to chase squirerls and rabbits
[13:47] <foobarry> and has despatched some
[14:54] <diddledan_> hmm, http://techrights.org/2015/10/30/xamarin-vs-robovm-freedom/
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> ms is your friend...
[15:09] <bashrc> ...or not as the case may be
[15:10] <zmoylan-pi> no no, their pr is all about how they love open source
[15:21] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: therefore we love MS :-p
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> over THEIR dead body :-P
[15:41]  * diddledan_ splits some nets
[15:42]  * zmoylan-pi nets somes spills
[16:40] <ujjain-> what are those like candles called that smell?
[16:40] <ujjain-> not candles
[16:43] <ujjain-> ah incense
[16:43] <diddledan_> foggy outside
[16:43] <diddledan_> glad I don't have to walk home today
[16:44] <ali1234> i wish websites like facebook and linked-in had a thing that would tell me why they think i know a person they are suggesting
[16:46] <diddledan_> I think oftentimes they just link you to people who are connected to people you're connected to - two degrees of separation
[16:46] <diddledan_> and of course linkedin loves harvesting addressbooks
[16:47] <diddledan_> that one person you replied to once on a mailing list. yeah linkedin thinks you want to be their business partner
[16:47] <ali1234> i see people and the name is kind of familiar but i don't know why
[16:48] <diddledan_> I wonder if you know me? :-p
[16:48] <diddledan_> linkedin probably could find a way of linking us
[16:49] <diddledan_> I heard nasa are going to release news of a major discovery on mars - they found an object floating in the water... rumours are it's a linkedin email
[16:50] <diddledan_> (that's a joke, btw - there is no announcement that I'm aware of)
[16:50] <ali1234> i see a bunch of people from here on there
[16:51] <ali1234> no dans though
[16:52] <diddledan_> yeah we're probably all on various mailing lists so you might have got email addresses from there into your addressbook which then got harvested
[16:53] <diddledan_> I wonder if the twitter link-up on linkedin has any effect on recommendations, too
[16:53] <ali1234> i'm not ever sure what that means :)
[16:53] <ali1234> i don't use the twitters either
[16:54] <diddledan_> I'm a twitter consumer, not a producer
[16:54] <ali1234> i think some of the people it's showing me are people who i just looked at their profile once
[16:54] <diddledan_> I just watch the feed occasionally
[17:30] <Laney> "this person looked at your profile so now we are suggesting them to you"
[17:48] <awilkins> Encryption : Tories don't know how it works :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11970391/Internet-firms-to-be-banned-from-offering-out-of-reach-communications-under-new-laws.html
[17:52] <foobarry> ^Tories^Politicians and civil servants
[17:58] <awilkins> Just MEH
[18:39] <ali1234> the funny thing is that microsoft, apple, google etc can just ship us the same crap version of their software that they send to crypto-embargoed terrorist states
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> at this point is there any crypto secure software that hasn't been backdoored
[18:46] <ali1234> almost all of it?
[18:54] <mapps> csi cyber time;d
[19:52] <davmor2> One, two princes kneel before you  That what I said now  Princes, princes who adore you !
[20:21] <diddledan_> so that encryption thingy - are they saying that companies must retain full transcripts of communications to correlate against an encrypted version when asked to provide the unencrypted?
[20:26] <diddledan_> they need to MitM all web browsing, too?!
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> it been the uk... both
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> just to be sure
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> but there's no real change there. sinn fein used to have a site were you could bid for british spy gear they kept finding everywhere...


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