[10:49] <kdotsky> would anyone be able to help install a usb wireless stick?
[10:49] <RalleAb> a dir with a subdir with 2 subdirs with files in
[10:49] <kdotsky> having a hell of a time
[10:49] <n00buntu> I'm coming over from another distro to ubuntu - where are the "computer", "<user>'s home", and "trash" icons that are supposed to be on the desktop?
[10:49] <RalleAb> its etc/X11/
[10:49] <Daishi> RalleAb: cp -r
[10:49] <RalleAb> dir: susewrm
[10:49] <RalleAb> dir: applink
[10:49] <farous> RalleAb: and i doubt copying the etc config file will do it you need to reinstall the package
[10:49] <RalleAb> it will do it
[10:49] <RalleAb> I did it a few weeks ago
[10:50] <markrian> n00buntu: Check the Places menu on the top panel
[10:50] <mrPolite> well, im pretty sure i just hosed my system
[10:50] <mrPolite> yay me
[10:50] <markrian> That should have your home
[10:50] <markrian> And the disks
[10:50] <azureal> Daishi: this file is just customization of something like your terminal?
[10:50] <erUSUL> n00buntu: this are disbled in ubuntu. you can enble them with gconf-editor>apps>nautilus>desktop
[10:50] <mcphail> n00buntu: the trash icon is on the bottom panel. The other locations are available from the "Places" menu
[10:50] <n00buntu> Oh
[10:50] <ardesh> Question to all: How do i Create /dev/eth0 at Ubuntu 6.06
[10:50] <RalleAb> the -r did it
[10:50] <Daishi> azureal: no i want it to run xbindkeys and xmodmap
[10:50] <farous> RalleAb: ok sudo mkdir /etc/<cedega dir name> then  sudo cp -rf /etc/<cedega dir name> /etc/<cedeg dir name>
[10:51] <Daishi> so i can have my multimedia keys be desktop agnostic
[10:51] <n00buntu> Thanks.
[10:51] <n00buntu> I got 'em now
[10:51] <markrian> ardesh: presumably you want to activate a network device?
[10:51] <azureal> i'm not sure if you're supposed to use xrdb for that or not
[10:51] <markrian> ardesh: Because making /dev/eth0 is not the way to do it ;)
[10:51] <Daishi> xrdb?
[10:51] <mnvl> i know it's not ubuntu specific, but where is the ld loader library search path stored?
[10:52] <farous> ardesh: eth0 is just an alias unfourt i do not know the actual name. use network-admin to see if it is recognized
[10:52] <Daishi> azureal: from the man page it doesnt look like xrdb does that
[10:52] <azureal> Daishi: after making changes to my urxvt terminal in file .Xresources, for example, instead of restarting the session i just do "xrdb .Xresources"
[10:53] <RalleAb> !nvidia
[10:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:53] <Daishi> ohh
[10:53] <azureal> so you could try maybe "xrdb -merge .Xsession"
[10:53] <kdotsky> is there any reason a usb wireless drive would be any different to setup in kubuntu?
[10:53] <erUSUL> mnvl: /etc/ld.so.conf ??
[10:54] <Daishi> azureal: from what i can tell xrdb has no ability to execute commands
[10:55] <azureal> Daishi, as i understand it, xrdb reads a file into your X server resources
[10:55] <quiet> how do you use cups in ubuntu, since it askes for username/password of root... (inserting normal user name and password is denied)
[10:55] <Daishi> well ill try it but i have to go now
[10:55] <azureal> xrdb <filename> to overwrite, and xrdb -merge <filename> to add to the existing one
[10:55] <Daishi> thanks for your help
[10:55] <azureal> hopefully it'll work
[10:55] <Daishi> i hopes so
[10:56] <justin_> Why does my UPTIME, say "3 users", when I am the only one who uses this PC, and I only have one user account besides root?
[10:56] <ardesh> farous: it _is_ recognized... im on this machine now
[10:56] <apallo19> is there a batch file equivalent in ubuntu?
[10:56] <quiet> justin_, ssh?  webserver?
[10:56] <ardesh> farous: but i need the /dev/eth0 for configuration of gpilotd
[10:56] <justin_> I do not think so
[10:56] <erUSUL> quiet: the web interface in ubuntu is disabled as in debian. zless /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian.gz < inst. to enable it if you must
[10:56] <justin_> quiet: How can I check SSH status
[10:56] <justin_> Or find out the users on now
[10:57] <quiet> finger
[10:57] <j0425g> uhmm
[10:57] <farous> ardesh: as i said again it have another name in /dev/ that is why i said eth0 is just an alias i do not know the true name though
[10:57] <erUSUL> justin_: x sever and two shells... all the same user, you
[10:57] <farous> ardesh: thought you were talking from another pc :)
[10:57] <ardesh> farous: ok...  ;)
[10:58] <ardesh> farous: do you think it may /dev/net/tun
[10:58] <justin_> erUSUL: How do you know I have two shells?
[10:58] <erUSUL> justin_: check it with the 'who' command. becouse if you have 3 users you have the xserver and two shells
[10:58] <grogoreo> does an ubuntu server install only install ubuntu-base, ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal?
[10:58] <txx2> My hard drive is NTFS, and it has a lot of important files on it, I need to be able to write on it but I am unable to as I dont have ntfs write support (and the ntfs plugin is buggy at the current stage). is there a way I am able to convert the file system?
[10:59] <erUSUL> justin_: 2 + 1 = 3 ;)
[10:59] <Brujah> hy everybody
[10:59] <farous> ardesh: do not know
[10:59] <markrian> ardesh, what exactly are you trying to do with gpilotd
[10:59] <markrian> ?
[11:00] <Brujah> my kubuntu installation crashed when it tried to install grub. How can I manually install lilo now?
[11:00] <rsk> !lilo
[11:00] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[11:00] <rsk> doh no guide :[
[11:00] <TheGateKeeper> !grub > Brujah
[11:01] <Brujah> ... reading
[11:02] <kdotsky> to all: i used ndiswrapper to install my netgear wg111v2 wireless usb adapter... it shows up in iwconfig and ipconfig, but i cannot change the essid or do a iwlist scan, thoughts?
[11:02] <crazy_penguin> Good night and sleep well everyone! :)
[11:02] <Xyc0> can someone link me how to change default file associations?
[11:02] <justin_> Last thing, does Linux have a "defrag" type utility?
[11:02] <ardesh> markrian: syncing my palm per wlan with evolution
[11:03] <ardesh> markrian: atm i have to type in the /dev/eth0 path for syncing manually everytime when syncing
[11:03] <erUSUL> justin_: no and usually does not need one
[11:03] <Xyc0> How do I change default file associations?
[11:04] <ardesh> markrian: because he resets the changes after closing the configuration dialog or conf-file to /dev/palm because there is no /dev/eth0
[11:04] <erUSUL> Xyc0: right click on the file > Properties> tab open with
[11:04] <ag0ny> is there something (network preferably) that can make my gnome reallllyyyy slow...like when i start the calculator i can see the window pop up without the actual gui elements...then nothing happens for 20-30 seconds and the buttons appear. anyone has a solution to that?
[11:05] <Xyc0> erUSUL: that works every time I do that, but I want it to open with the same program always
[11:05] <MANAGER_PRO> hello people i have a question ... is #  Ubuntu
[11:05] <raf> lol
[11:05] <MANAGER_PRO> is it free ?
[11:05] <raf> yes
[11:05] <harisund> Does anybody know if Ubuntu enables SMP on k7 kernels? How can I found out?
[11:05] <raf> its free
[11:05] <markrian> ardesh, I don't understand what /dev/eth0 is. But let me understand: you want to sync your palm to evolution using your computer's wireless connection?
[11:05] <Xyc0> MANAGER_PRO: it is freedom!
[11:05] <raf> lol Xyc0
[11:06] <MANAGER_PRO> is it simple to install ?
[11:06] <Xyc0> it is :P
[11:06] <ardesh> markrian: aye
[11:06] <Xyc0> MANAGER_PRO: fairly
[11:06] <kdotsky> so am i asking in the wrong place or are ppl too busy or what
[11:06] <raf> my friend cant get her wireless broadband pcmcia card to work on ubuntu
[11:06] <ardesh> markrian: its works already... but it resets my changes everytime
[11:06] <erUSUL> harisund: cat /proc/cpuinfo . If you see two cpus great if not :(
[11:06] <MANAGER_PRO> i am using SONY H2\digital camera very often .. could i use its usb2 capability?
[11:07] <TheGateKeeper> MANAGER_PRO: Windows to Ubuntu Transition Guide:http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/
[11:07] <harisund> erUSUL The point is, I have SMP enabled in the kernel, but I have only one processor.
[11:07] <harisund> erUSUL Which means SMP should not be enabled.
[11:07] <jeff303> is doing a dpkg-reconfigure the same as "mark for reinstall" in synaptic?
[11:08] <markrian> ardesh, apologies for being slow, but what changes are you making, and to what files/in what application?
[11:08] <raf> i found a fix for the problem of webpages bitching about not having flash 9
[11:08] <Xyc0> How do I connect wireless to a non-encrypted AP?
[11:08] <sycron> raf: oh?
[11:08] <grmbl> hello
[11:08] <trappist> raf: yeah I found that too (flash 9 isn't out yet, they bitch about 8)
[11:09] <bubinou__> hello
[11:09] <Xyc0> trappist: sure it is
[11:09] <quad3d> in top NICE -10 is bad huh?
[11:09] <sycron> raf: can you view youtube.com videos? That's the trouble I've been having.
[11:09] <Xyc0> trappist: Adobe Flash 9
[11:09] <erUSUL> harisund: ubuntu (dapper, in breezy they still builded smp kernels) uses a special patch that let the kernel determine at runtime if it uses smp or not based on the cpu it is running on.
[11:10] <raf> u can do this
[11:10] <GNAM> when adobe flash 9?
[11:10] <raf>  sudo gedit ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat
[11:10] <raf> and change the way it identifies itself from 7.0 to 9.0
[11:10] <jrib> raf: why would you sudo that file?
[11:10] <raf> it wont open
[11:10] <raf> without sudo
[11:10] <raf> lol
[11:10] <azureal> is there a cooler program than figlet?
[11:10] <raf> youre edditing it anywho
[11:10] <azureal> (of the same type)
[11:11] <jrib> raf: yes, but then it becomes root owned
[11:11] <ardesh> markrian: i talk to you in private, is it ok?
[11:11] <raf> edit it like this
[11:11] <kdotsky> so is this the place i go after trying everything i've found on google or before
[11:11] <raf> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r63:$
[11:11] <raf> Shockwave Flash:$
[11:11] <ardesh> markrian: its easier to read there
[11:11] <markrian> ardesh, go for it
[11:11] <erUSUL> quad3d: it is actually good better than +10 btw
[11:11] <sycron> "Shockwave Flash 7.0 r63:$" to 9.0?
[11:11] <richard> i try to upgrade ubuntu but occur an error with java-doc? what can i do to finish the upgrade
[11:11] <raf> dont upgrade java
[11:11] <raf> or delete it prior to update
[11:11] <raf> lol
[11:12] <apjonesy> whats the best equivalent of MSMoney on Ubuntu ?
[11:12] <sycron> I'm going to try this now then
[11:12] <grmbl> since changing to edgy i cant use my vpn (to a netscreen) anymore. no errors in logfile. any hints maybe? coworkers using debian testing have the same problems
[11:12] <markrian> apjonesy, there's gnucash
[11:12] <erUSUL> richard: do again 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[11:12] <drbreen_> apjonesy: hrhr gnucash >:-|
[11:12] <jrib> sycron: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ the linux dev's blog on flash 9
[11:12] <dpupp> how do you remove directories from the desktop when you dont have permission? i have super user rigts, but im not sure how to issue the command.
[11:12] <drbreen_> !gnucash > drbreen
[11:12] <drbreen_> !gnucash > drbreen_
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnucash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <quad3d> oh, alright. i'll take your word for it
[11:13] <jrib> dpupp: sudo rm -r /path/to/directory    <-- be very careful with this!
[11:13] <erUSUL> dpupp: sudo rm -r /path/to/dir
[11:13] <richard> erUSUL: occur the same error
[11:13] <apjonesy> thanks gnu cash use double bookkeeping and wont import qif files easily
[11:13] <erUSUL> richard: 'sudo apt-get -f upgrade'
[11:13] <kdotsky> is there a wiki on how to post a question on here or something
[11:13] <azureal> ah raf, since we're discussing this, how would you get .wmv files to play (embedded) in ff?
[11:13] <trappist> perl -pi -e 's/^Shockwave Flash 7\.0/Shockwave Flash 9.0/' ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat
[11:13] <Brujah> I fear my case is not covered. I tried to manually reinstall grub but it hangs same way as in the installation
[11:13] <drbreen_> kdotsky: wtf ? a wiki how to post a prolem ? describe it the best way ya can.
[11:13] <dpupp> would this work: "sudo rm -r *Win" to delete any folders on the desktop starting as win ?
[11:13] <raf> u need a ff plug in
[11:13] <Brujah> There is nothing for lilo...
[11:13] <doughboy> Is it possible to connect to a printer that is hardwired to a desktop ubuntu system from a laptop that runs windows so that the printer can be shared between the two computers?
[11:13] <jrib> kdotsky: your question is fine, unfortunately the problem is no one here right now knows the answer probably
[11:13] <raf> i suggest mozzil-firefox
[11:14] <kdotsky> jrib: thanks
[11:14] <raf> mozila-mplayer
[11:14] <drbreen_> doughboy: i assume so
[11:14] <eternalswd> azureal: what media players do you have?
[11:14] <azureal> raf: i have mozplugger
[11:14] <RalleAb> hello again guys.. I was just trying to install my ATI graphics card but I sorta messed up xorg.conf and now I cant really access it because the GUI is gone.. I am booting form the linux CD atm. what do I do_
[11:14] <azureal> eternalswd, mplayer, xine
[11:14] <azureal> raf: ok, i'll try mozilla-mplayer
[11:15] <drbreen_> RalleAb: post your xorg.conf before and after the mess ?
[11:15] <dpupp> got it. thanks i had the asteric in the wrong place... it was Win*... not *Win
[11:15] <erUSUL> RalleAb: boot in recovery mode from hd and use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:15] <dpupp> thanks
[11:15] <drbreen_> RalleAb: but pastebot it. please
[11:15] <kdotsky> wait, eternalswd: aren't you the guy that posted the guide to setting up wg111v2 on ubuntuforums?
[11:15] <justin_> Is there anything to "netstat" in Linux console?
[11:15] <markedwards> hi, does anyone know what the situation is with dapper-backports?
[11:15] <erUSUL> justin_: netstat
[11:15] <eternalswd> kdotsky, yeah, that's me
[11:15] <justin_> ..I see
[11:15] <RalleAb> I cant access my harddrive from the cd.. so I will just reconfigure it
[11:15] <drbreen_> RalleAb: or just do that what erUSUL said. i assumed ya did it, though.
[11:15] <eternalswd> azureal: http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[11:16] <drbreen_> RalleAb: of course you can.
[11:16] <kdotsky> eternalswd: awesome, are u around here a lot, could i get a bit of help later or something
[11:16] <grmbl> RalleAb: also, if you used ati binary it made a backup of your old xorg.conf
[11:16] <drbreen_> RalleAb: just mount it via terminal or "disk manager"
[11:16] <Brujah> I created a lilo.conf and copied it to etc and i copied the lilo exe. but when i try to call it i get Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/hda")
[11:16] <kdotsky> eternalswd: i'm almost at give-up point for my wg111
[11:16] <drbreen_> RalleAb: but i assume you cannot just chroot and reconfigure. reboot plz
[11:16] <RalleAb> I will make it work
[11:16] <RalleAb> how do I start in safe mode_
[11:16] <eternalswd> kdotsky, i'm not around a ton, what time do you think, or I could help you now
[11:17] <quintin_> Hello, I am setting up ubuntu for an elderly friend
[11:17] <markedwards> there are packages in dapper-backports, right?  or there should be?
[11:17] <grogoreo> how do I setup my Perl locale?
[11:17] <quintin_> his network connection is a D-link DWL-G122
[11:17] <azureal> eternalswd, " Applications other than mozilla are not supported" ... ff?
[11:17] <kdotsky> eternalswd: i tried your guide, among others... it shows up in iwconfig and ipconfig but i cannot scan or change the essid
[11:17] <quintin_> Can someone advise me as to how to setup wireless, etc?
[11:17] <grmbl> anything about my racoon question?
[11:17] <dpupp> ok. got a problem... in dapper, when it type: "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"... everything locked up.
[11:18] <dpupp> except for the mouse.
[11:18] <eternalswd> azureal: that includes ff ie Mozilla Suite, FF, Seamonkey
[11:18] <azureal> eternalswd, nod, disregard
[11:18] <eternalswd> kdotsky, let me think on that a little
[11:19] <kdotsky> eternalswd: thx, take yur time
[11:19] <kdotsky> brb
[11:19] <riaal> how dose screendump work? why do I need to have root access to runn it?
[11:20] <Brujah> I installed the lilo documentation. Where can I find it?
[11:20] <richard> erUSUL: the konsole show error when process liblog4j1.2-java-doc
[11:20] <RalleAb> how do i make the xorg.conf recreate itself as it does when instaling linux_
[11:20] <kdotsky> eternalswd: btw we're talking fresh install of dapper (minus the fiddling i've done trying to get the adapter to work)
[11:21] <RalleAb> or how do i run that guide at start_
[11:21] <mrbrocoli> is there a text-mode only runlevel in ubuntu?
[11:22] <azureal> eternalswd, ah, it was a conflict w/ mozplugger..
[11:22] <RalleAb> should I really reinstall ubuntu in order to make it configure xorg.conf itself_
[11:22] <dpupp> ok, im still seeing no wireless extensions  in iwconfig after installing ndiswrapper and doing modprobe on it. am i missing a step? ... .
[11:22] <synaptiv> hm
[11:22] <azureal> eternalswd, btw, what's the difference between /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and /usr/lib/firefox
[11:22] <harisund> dpupp are you sure thye are the right drivers?
[11:22] <mc|amb> hi, quick question here... where does Mplayer skin folder is?? or where do I put the skins so mplayer can read them??
[11:22] <riaal> how do i take a print screen??
[11:22] <harisund> dpupp did you do ndiswrapper -l?
[11:22] <synaptiv> anyone here have a nvidia geforce fx 5200 card installed on their ubuntu system??
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> !fixRes > RalleAb
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixRes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <eternalswd> azureal: i'm not sure
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> !FixRes
[11:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about FixRes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:23] <dpupp> harisund, hardware present, driver present. i have a dwl-g510 marvel. using the mrv8k51....
[11:23] <yoshiznit123> synaptiv, yea same model
[11:23] <scrooloose> hi
[11:23] <Breg> anyone here know how to update the bios of a dell 6400 laptop?
[11:23] <synaptiv> what res can your kde or gnome get too?
[11:23] <RalleAb> if I delete xorg.conf, will it 'respawn' ?
[11:24] <synaptiv> i can only get 1024x768
[11:24] <yoshiznit123> synaptiv, my screen's max is 1280x1024, so i haven't tried anything higher
[11:24] <harisund> dpupp that's surprising. The last time I used ndiswrapper I just did ndiswrapper -i drivername.inf, ndiswrapper -m and modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:24] <scrooloose> i am new to ubuntu and im trying to figure out apt-get... from the cmdline how can u search for a package?
[11:24] <synaptiv> i cant even get that high for some reason
[11:24] <scrooloose> (to install)
[11:24] <mrbrocoli> is there a runlevel without gui?
[11:24] <sycron> Breg: I'm on the same laptop
[11:24] <synaptiv> and i installed the latest drivers with no problem
[11:24] <synaptiv> installed the actual nvidia drivers
[11:24] <sycron> You shouldn't have any problem just downloading the BiOS update from the dell site and booting from a disk
[11:25] <yoshiznit123> are the drivers working (glxgears etc)?
[11:25] <dpupp> is a reboot required?
[11:25] <riaal> I have a really annoying problem, every error messege and warning frome the program Azureus is impossible to close! There is a hide button on them but it doesent work =( Relly need help
[11:25] <looktj> looktj@looktj:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[11:25] <looktj> Password:
[11:25] <looktj> Reading package lists... Done
[11:25] <looktj> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:25] <looktj> E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[11:25] <looktj> looktj@looktj:~$
[11:25] <eternalswd> kdotsky, can you post the output of iwconfig to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:25] <richard> erUSUL: the konsole show error when process liblog4j1.2-java-doc
[11:25] <looktj> its says it cant find package
[11:25] <synaptiv> i belive so, i get the nvidia splash sreen before the os boots also
[11:25] <yoshiznit123> riaal, it's a known bug
[11:25] <jrib> looktj: have you enabled the multiverse repository?
[11:25] <DarkRain> Ive got an issue with Ubuntu install/live boot not properly detecting my video card. I have an ATI radeon x800gto fireblade edition. and its picking it up as an x850. Which of course, crashes xwindows. I think this is because the paticular card I have, uses the x850 core (R480) does anyone know of a fix for this problem... keep in mind I am pretty new to the linux system.
[11:26] <riaal> yoshiznit123: really??
[11:26] <yoshiznit123> synaptiv, and the resolutions you want are listed under xorg.conf too?
[11:26] <yoshiznit123> riaal, yea, a bunch of linux users were pissed about that. i forgot where i read it tho...
[11:26] <synaptiv> no actaully i couldnt find it
[11:26] <looktj> i dont think...jrib
[11:26] <synaptiv> all the other corg files were there
[11:26] <synaptiv> xorg*
[11:26] <jrib> !multiverse > looktj
[11:26] <looktj> thanks
[11:27] <riaal> yoshiznit123: man i really wan't to get ridd of it, any ide of somthing or where you read about it?
[11:27] <looktj> !multiverse
[11:27] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:27] <yoshiznit123> synaptiv, in the file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf', see down in the "screen" section if the resolutions you want are listed
[11:27] <yoshiznit123> riaal, the only way i've gotten around it is dragging the bar to another side :-)
[11:27] <synaptiv> yoshiznit123 brbim going to boot into it
[11:27] <looktj> !easysource
[11:27] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:28] <RalleAb> so guys how do i mount my HD from the ubuntu CD_
[11:28] <riaal> yoshiznit123: I can't even move it
[11:28] <evan__> hi
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> RalleAb: mount -t <filesystem> /dev/hda1 /mount/point
[11:28] <eternalswd> kdotsky could you also post the output of lsmod | grep usbcore
[11:28] <yoshiznit123> riaal: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/41813, apparently there's a fix
[11:28] <REPOLHO> Hi, anyone here use some firebird/ib aplication on ubuntu?
[11:29] <eternalswd> does anyone know a channel for discussing bash scripting?
[11:29] <markrian> REPOLHO, what's your question?
[11:29] <riaal> thanks yoshiznit123, same problem..
[11:29] <REPOLHO> markrian: the aplications dont found libgds.o...
[11:29] <RalleAb> TheGateKeeper what should I replace <filesystem> with_
[11:29] <quintin_> still need help with  my wirelesss....
[11:29] <REPOLHO> markrian: but the damned thing is there rss
[11:30] <trappist> wow.  freebsd almost gives 110%.  df -h says /dev/twed0s1g    69G    68G  -5.1G   108%    /usr
[11:30] <Breg> sycron: ever updated the bios ?
[11:30] <kdotsky> eternalswd: sure just have to move the text via usb key
[11:30] <sethk> markrian, then it isn't in the expected directory
[11:30] <RalleAb> !mount
[11:30] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[11:30] <damned> REPOLHO: please, don't use word "damned" ;)
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper> RalleAb: I would imagine ext3, unless you used something else
[11:30] <sethk> markrian, can probably be fixed with a symbolic link (or a hard link for that matter)
[11:30] <REPOLHO> damned: opz.. sorry dude :)
[11:31] <RalleAb> it says that /mount/point doesnt exist
[11:31] <trappist> heh
[11:31] <dpupp> this is confusing.... im looking at the iwconfig, and its saying my wifi is a broadcom, when im certain its a marvel.... but thats not all... eth1 is claiming to be wireless... boradcom, when the boardcom is actually for cat5 *PUZZLED*
[11:31] <looktj> how do i exactly enable multiverse, *NEWBIE*
[11:31] <kdotsky> eternalswd: usbcore  129668 5 ndiswrapper,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[11:31] <erUSUL> !sources > looktj
[11:31] <trappist> !repos > looktj
[11:31] <richard> erUSUL: i continue with the same error can you help me??
[11:31] <NickGarvey> RalleAb: /mount/point doesn't mean to actually mount it at mount/point, it means you pick the spot and put that there instead
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper> looktj: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[11:32] <RalleAb> I set mountpoint to &
[11:32] <RalleAb> oops
[11:32] <RalleAb> I set mountpoint to /
[11:32] <eternalswd> kdotsky, does lsusb | grep NetGear display anything?
[11:32] <erUSUL> richard: i do not know what to do... can you apt-get remove the ofending package to let the process continue and install it again later
[11:32] <kdotsky> Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0846:6a00 NetGear, Inc. WG111 WiFi (v2)
[11:33] <Synaptiv> ah better
[11:33] <raf> any of you guys make a dvd iso image out of cd isos?
[11:33] <quintin_> someoen please to be helping me with wireless
[11:33] <trappist> raf: an iso is an iso
[11:33] <Synaptiv> yoshiznit123: ok got ubuntu up
[11:33] <yoshiznit123> hey everybody, i was wondering if anybody has gotten a toshiba fingerprint reader to work... i found instructions for thinkpads but it can't recognize the hardware :-)
[11:33] <dasos> my sound keeps dropping out sometimes =( i think it might be a flash issue, anyone have experience with this?
[11:33] <yoshiznit123> synaptiv, is the resolution working?
[11:33] <raf> well i have 3 cd iso images i want to make a single dvd image out of
[11:33] <RalleAb> this didnt work: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /dada
[11:33] <Synaptiv> only 1024 and lower
[11:34] <Synaptiv> going to check out conf right now
[11:34] <sycron> raf: just literally copy the files into one dvd iso
[11:34] <RalleAb> it cant find /dada but it is going to make dada when mounting...
[11:34] <raf> will it be bootable?
[11:34] <synic> RalleAb: the mount point has to exist first.
[11:34] <synic> RalleAb: so mkdir /dada first
[11:34] <Synaptiv> heh synik is my other nick :P
[11:35] <synic> Synaptiv: :P  I've been synic forever, though!
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> RalleAb: you have to create an empty directory somewhere on your present file system and use that
[11:35] <raf> i guess i can test it on vmware first
[11:35] <sycron> raf: Not sure about that, but I don't see why not, unless there's some very specific file structure information relavent to the program
[11:35] <raf> see if it botts
[11:35] <raf> boots
[11:35] <kdotsky> eternalswd: Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0846:6a00 NetGear, Inc. WG111 WiFi (v2), and for iwconfig: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20821
[11:36] <haasteem> hi, i know that i can set an enivronment variable by giving the export command, w.g. export JAVE_HOME=/path/to/... is there a way i can do this permanently? because if i do it in a terminal then this is only valid for running rpograms from that terminal...
[11:36] <erUSUL> TheGateKeeper: the dir does not have to be empty to be used as mountpoint
[11:36] <Synaptiv> ive been synik since about 1991
[11:36] <raf> normally i wouldnt worry about making dvds...but this has to be bootable lol
[11:36] <synic> haasteem: edit ~/.bashrc
[11:36] <Synaptiv> used to be my stage name
[11:36] <dpupp> when i do lspci i see a broadcom wireless device... i have no wireless cards in the machine at this moment... only a lan card.
[11:36] <erUSUL> haasteem: put it in your .bashrc or .bash_profile
[11:36] <synic> dpupp: you sure :)
[11:36] <stray77> heheh
[11:36] <Synaptiv> then used it when i first got on irc in 93
[11:36] <haasteem> synic: ok
[11:36] <Puddy_> hi guys :) im new to ubuntu and mainly to linux to.. my monitor supports 100hz refreshrate, but in the monitor-settings dialog of ubuntu its set to 60 Hz and i cant change it.. is there a way how i can? =o
[11:36] <haasteem> erUSUL: ok
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> erUSUL: think it generally helps :-)
[11:37] <erUSUL> dpupp: if it show up in the lspci you *do* have the device
[11:37] <haasteem> synic:do i need to reboot for the changes totake effect?
[11:37] <dpupp> synic, im sure.... i dont have any cards at all that are wifi... i pulled it out... its an abitnf7  mobo
[11:37] <dpupp> something is f'ed up.
[11:37] <synic> haasteem: nope.
[11:38] <synic> haasteem: it will be active the next time you open a terminal, or log in
[11:38] <quintin_> Help wireless no work :)
[11:38] <Synaptiv> oh yoshiznit123 would i need to set it under screen as my actual monitor or can i keep it default
[11:38] <synic> haasteem: you generally don't need to reboot linux
[11:38] <erUSUL> !wifi
[11:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:38] <eternalswd> kdotsky, try iwconfig wlan0 essid "Your essid"
[11:38] <Xyc0> I am trying to connect to an non-encrypted AP and failing, does Ubuntu require that everything be WEP encrypted?
[11:38] <dpupp> how do i reconfigure all networking options in ubuntu dapper back to default? ?
[11:38] <haasteem> synic: ok, cool... right, should have expected that :)
[11:38] <eternalswd> kdotsky, you might need to sudo it
[11:38] <grogoreo> when upgrading dapper I have an error with the file: lvm2_2.02.02-1ubuntu1_i386.deb is there anyway to tell apt not to install it?
[11:39] <yoshiznit123> synaptiv, i don't think you have to change anything, just add the resolutions you want
[11:39] <kdotsky> eternalswd: that's exactly what i've tried... just tried again and nothing
[11:39] <haasteem> synic: these files are in /etc?
[11:39] <Synaptiv> ah ok, i remeber bsd being really picky about monitors
[11:39] <eternalswd> kdotsky, i'll be back in a few minutes
[11:39] <kdotsky> eternalswd: should the blue light be on at this point? because it's not
[11:39] <kdotsky> eternalswd: thx
[11:40] <dpupp> how do i get more details off a device? after lspci ? ...
[11:40] <synic> haasteem: .bashrc is in ~
[11:40] <quintin_> ubotu: THANK YOU I will read that.  however if I were a newbie I probably wouldn't like doc links, heh
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about THANK YOU I will read that.  however if I were a newbie I probably wouldn't like doc links, heh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <Synaptiv> add the 1280x1024 in all the places i see the other rsolutons?
[11:40] <harisund> Can someone explain the difference between fakeroot and sudo? Why is it that most Ubuntu kernel compilation tutorials suggest using fakeroot?
[11:40] <Xyc0> :\
[11:40] <haasteem> synic: it seems i don't have it... is that possible?
[11:41] <shaantanu> !ps2
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ps2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <linuxd00d> #linuxd00d
[11:41] <synic> haasteem: if you don't have it, just create a new one
[11:41] <shaantanu> Want PS2 emulators for ubuntu
[11:41] <shaantanu> someone help
[11:41] <haasteem> synic: alright
[11:41] <raf> is mepis similar to ubuntu ?
[11:41] <harisund> !kernel
[11:41] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:41] <yoshiznit123> harisund, fakeroot doesn't actually give you root privileges, it just fakes it, so it's more secure
[11:42] <harisund> yoshiznit123 so what happens if I follow the kernel compilation using sudo? Or whathappens if I run apt-get upgrade using fakeroot?
[11:42] <linuxd00d> raf #mepis
[11:42] <raf> lol
[11:42] <raf> ughh
[11:42] <DarkRain> mepis is based on ubuntu I think...
[11:43] <haasteem> synic: there i just declare the things i want to? so, line 1: export JAVA_HOME=/path/to; line 2: export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/path/to?
[11:43] <yoshiznit123> if for example the kernel makefile had 'rm -rf /', it would be allowed to destroy everything on your computer if you were using sudo, not so with fakeroot
[11:43] <yoshiznit123> and you shouldn't be compiling with root either, just installing
[11:43] <synic> haasteem: yup
[11:43] <harisund> yoshiznit123 most interesting. Technically though, I can install the kernel using sudo -i in the end, right?
[11:43] <yoshiznit123> but for creating deb packages, you can use fakeroot because your not actually installing anything
[11:43] <linuxd00d> darn mepis copying ubuntu worse than centos copying redhat
[11:43] <Breg> anyone know how to update the bios of a dell laptop (only got that .exe file)
[11:44] <Tear> how come ubuntu can't see my firewire external drive
[11:44] <yoshiznit123> right, to install you need root priviliges (i.e. sudo), but if you just want to build a package you can use fakeroot
[11:44] <MrRio> linuxd00d: darn ubuntu copying debian...
[11:44] <MrRio> linuxd00d, i don't get your point
[11:44] <harisund> yoshiznit123 I mean, I am quite comfortable with Linux and being root and all .. and I often use sudo -i to get a regular root shell. So I am guessing I will just go ahead with that. THanks :)
[11:44] <erUSUL> linuxd00d: this is *free* software you know
[11:44] <yoshiznit123> yup :-)
[11:45] <linuxd00d> mrrio: good point, but why is redhat enterprise costly then
[11:45] <dpupp> ok.... another networking problem... i tried a different card, usb wifi card. i tried configuring it , and when i hit activate, the whole system locked up.
[11:45] <azureal> eternalswd, this is so annoying!! mozplugger conflicts with mplayer-plugin
[11:45] <galorin> linuxd00d, support
[11:45] <MrRio> linuxd00d: someone at the end of the phone
[11:45] <cdubya> linuxd00d, what galorin said
[11:45] <MrRio> linuxd00d, their support services are great
[11:45] <dpupp> how can i configure my networking options in ubuntu back to default? do i have to do fresh install?
[11:45] <linuxd00d> mrrios: yeah i suppose
[11:46] <Tear> the external drive is ntfs would ubuntu see the mp3 files on it?
[11:46] <erUSUL> dpupp: i do not know what you mean by "back to default". erase all stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces but the 'lo' one ??
[11:47] <dpupp> ok i'll try that.
[11:47] <erUSUL> Tear: yes
[11:47] <Tear> hmmm
[11:47] <vinnybinny> can anyone help me get my officejet 5510 to print in linux?
[11:47] <txx2> Howndo I convert my external hard drive with NTFS on without damaging the files on it?
[11:47] <raf> u have to format
[11:47] <raf> then change
[11:48] <raf> lol
[11:48] <trappist> txx2: you move the files off first
[11:48] <raf> move the files somewhere for the time beign
[11:48] <txx2> I can't format because it's a big hard drive
[11:48] <raf> how big
[11:48] <raf> and how much files?
[11:48] <galorin> vinnybinny, multifunction printer?
[11:48] <erUSUL> !enter > raf
[11:48] <Tear> why would allmy wallpapers and pictures get deleted
[11:48] <txx2> 1tb. Nah, joking, it's 80gb.. I bought an 80gb harddrive the other day but i've not been able to use it because the connection is different, it's a SATA, not IDE.
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> txx2: room to shrink the ntfs partition?
[11:48] <trappist> Tear: did you keep em in /tmp?
[11:49] <Tear> yes
[11:49] <trappist> that's why
[11:49] <trappist> man I'm awesome
[11:49] <Tear> deletes after a while
[11:49] <Tear> really?
[11:49] <erUSUL> Tear: after reboot
[11:49] <trappist> Tear: tmp as in TeMPorary
[11:49] <Tear> I didn't know that
[11:49] <Tear> ok
[11:49] <TheGateKeeper> trappist: :-)
[11:50] <dpupp> so its ok to delete everything within /etc/network/ *.* ?
[11:50] <trappist> dpupp: woah, why would you do that
[11:50] <Spec> dpupp: no, probably not
[11:50] <dpupp> im trying to reset my system to default when it comes to network info. im having all kinds of issues and im a few steps short of a fresh install.
[11:51] <willys_fueguin1> someone here is an channel op???
[11:51] <eternalswd> azureal, if you have mozplugger, why do you need something else?
[11:51] <erUSUL> dpupp: i did not say all files i say all conf *stanzas* in the file interfaces but the one configuring the 'lo' interface
[11:51] <dpupp> lspci is reporting a device to be wifi when its not... and wifi is nowhere on the map, and when i try to use a usb wifi device, my whole system locks up.
[11:51] <Soccrmastr> is there a program for XFCE on Xubuntu that can open rar files, and has a GUI?
[11:51] <dpupp> whats a conf *swtanza*?
[11:52] <erUSUL> willys_fueguin1: why you want to contact an op?
[11:52] <eternalswd> kdotsky, is there any errors from iwconfig when you try to set the essid?
[11:52] <trappist> dpupp: if you mean stanza, it's basically a paragraph
[11:52] <sycron> How can I view current running processes (ala ctrlaltdel lol)
[11:52] <ubuntu_> Ana Paula on'line
[11:52] <dpupp> ah. rgr. thanks
[11:52] <kdotsky> eternalswd: no
[11:52] <synic> Soccrmastr: sycron ps fax
[11:52] <kdotsky> eternalswd: no response
[11:52] <synic> er...
[11:52] <synic> sycron: ps fax
[11:52] <trappist> dpupp: like in an apache conf it would start with something like <Directory> and end with something like </Directory>
[11:52] <KenSentMe> sycron: go to System Administration Processes
[11:52] <bestial> Hello! I reinstalled my Ubuntu yesterday, but my desktop-icons are REALLY SMALL and don't have the file-name under it, anyone knows what's wrong?
[11:52] <Soccrmastr> wait, was that for me?
[11:52] <dpupp> ok, its blank, minus the lo inet loopback. it was already clear.
[11:52] <eternalswd> kdotsky: have you tried using it on a windows box?
[11:52] <dpupp> hmmm
[11:53] <synic> sycron: or you can go to system->admin->system monitor
[11:53] <haasteem> synic: it looks like i first need to do "source .bashprofile" for the changes to take effect, and even then, i need to do that every time i open a terminal...
[11:53] <vinnybinny> galorin: yes multifunction, the printer is connected to a XP box and networked via samba...it prints fine in linux when i'm using a guest os (XP) on  vmware player (inside linux), but when i try from just linux the printer just locks up... so im guessing it's the linux printer driver?
[11:53] <sycron> ps fax is the terminal command though?
[11:53] <kdotsky> eternalswd: no, should i give it a shot on my laptop?
[11:53] <synic> haasteem: use .bashrc instead of .bashprofile
[11:53] <_ceed_> Hi, I am new to Ubuntu, but installed it without probs on my HP laptop. Everything works except for the fact that I am not able to set the screen res to 1280x768. It is stuck at 1024x768. Anyone know what I can do to change it?
[11:53] <linuxd00d> bestial: have you tried to resize the icons or stretch them
[11:53] <synic> sycron: yeah, it makes a nice process tree
[11:53] <mikeubuntu> looking for a fast way to copy all my internet shortcuts from xp to ubunto over my network
[11:53] <haasteem> synic: ok, let me try
[11:53] <KenSentMe> !fixres > _ceed_
[11:53] <synic> sycron: shows the process parent process and stuff.
[11:54] <dpupp> is breezy being dropped now that dapper is out? ... or is there a doc that explains breezy vs dapper? ...
[11:54] <KenSentMe> _ceed_: check what ubotu sent you
[11:54] <eternalswd> kdotsky, yeah, I'd try it on windows just to test to see if it might be a wireless access problem rather than a hardware problem
[11:54] <mikeubuntu> straight copy yields a .url file
[11:54] <_ceed_> okay Ken
[11:54] <CBMz> Hello.
[11:54] <bestial> linuxd00d, yeah, no file-name then either, and it only makes the icon I strecht bigger.
[11:54] <galorin> vinnybinny, so the printer is hooked up to another machine, and you're using samba to connect to it..  Is the rest of samba working?
[11:54] <REPOLHO> Hi, anyone here use some firebird/ib aplication on ubuntu?
[11:54] <CBMz> Is it possible to install KDE on Ubuntu (not Kubuntu)
[11:54] <CBMz> ?
[11:54] <kdotsky> eternalswd: well it's not wireless access, i'm using the wireless right now on my laptop
[11:54] <vinnybinny> yeah the rest of samba is working like a gem
[11:54] <synic> CBMz: apt-get isntall kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <haasteem> synic: cool, now it works... thanks
[11:54] <kdotsky> eternalswd: do you mean if it's a problem with the physical adapter?
[11:54] <_ceed_> Thanks Ken. I will go do some homework.. :)
[11:55] <piclez> hi, how can I findout if there is something running in port 2000 please?
[11:55] <linuxd00d> bestial: have you also tried to change the destop resolution
[11:55] <CBMz> Thanks, Synic. and then how do i run it? (make kde run instead of gnome)
[11:55] <synic> CBMz: you should be able to choose it in gdm
[11:55] <eternalswd> kdotsky: what kind of security settings do you have on the wireless connection?
[11:55] <kdotsky> eternalswd: none
[11:55] <galorin> vinnybinny, I can't find reference to a driver for the 5510, just the 5500, which may be part of your problem, i.e. the driver isn't fully mature for your HW
[11:55] <kdotsky> eternalswd: I can't do a iwlist scan either
[11:55] <enyc> piclez: what do you mean.... listening on TCP port 5000? or UDP port 5000?  or something connecting from your machtine to port 5000 somewhere else?
[11:55] <vinnybinny> it works flawlessly when im running xp in vmware which ubuntu is the host
[11:55] <KenSentMe> dpupp: Breezy is still supported but dapper has the latest software versions
[11:56] <quintin_> oh my fucking god
[11:56] <AquaF0x> I need help guys.
[11:56] <bestial> linuxd00d, no, that one I haven't tried, but, I want 1280x1024 which now is the resolution.
[11:56] <quintin_> "make" is not installed?????
[11:56] <AquaF0x> Please help.
[11:56] <vinnybinny> galorin: yeah i can't find it either but when searching the forums i found other people that got the same model working and i followed all their instructions
[11:56] <jrib> !ask
[11:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:56] <dpupp> k
[11:56] <synic> quintin_: apt-get install build-essential
[11:56] <mikeubuntu> I have hundreds of internet shortcuts (favorites) I need to move to ubuntu
[11:56] <synic> quintin_: make isn't usually required.
[11:56] <AquaF0x> What is the default root password?
[11:56] <quintin_> synic: I have NO NETWORK CONNECTIVITY
[11:56] <vinnybinny> galorin: it seems they just use the 5500series driver
[11:56] <jrib> !root > AquaF0x
[11:57] <AquaF0x> I didn't decide at the start to specify root.
[11:57] <vinnybinny> galorin: but i am having no luck
[11:57] <synic> quintin_: WHY DON'T YOU YELL ABOUT IT!!
[11:57] <quintin_> WHY DON'T IT
[11:57] <enyc> quintin_: ise "apt-get build-dep {package}" it get the build-requirments for any package
[11:57] <quintin_> I
[11:57] <AquaF0x> I am running Ubuntu..
[11:57] <eternalswd> kdotsky, does iwlist scan show any feedback or does it freeze?
[11:57] <jrib> AquaF0x: read the private message from ubotu and all will be clear :)  (ubuntu uses sudo)
[11:57] <enyc> AquaF0x: there isnt one
[11:57] <quintin_> enyc: machine is not on internet
[11:57] <kdotsky> eternalswd: and I don't have any wired access to the computer, so i haven't ran any updates or anything
[11:57] <linuxd00d> bestial, there isnt much noticable difference with 1280x1024 to the one lower down
[11:57] <AquaF0x> Okay.
[11:57] <enyc> quintin_: heh... plug in a netmork cable?
[11:57] <kdotsky> eternalswd: it just says No scan results for wlan0 (doesn't freeze)
[11:57] <AquaF0x> Now how to unpack files using Sudo?
[11:57] <AquaF0x> HELP!
[11:57] <piclez> enyc: thanks! nhmm I'm trying to install ofbiz and run tnameserv (Cordoba I think) on port 2000 but something must be using this port because it can't bind to port 2000, so I think is TCP listening
[11:57] <quintin_> enyc: not an option
[11:58] <bestial> linuxboy, tried it now, but it didn't work.
[11:58] <jrib> quintin_: build-essential is on the cd
[11:58] <galorin> vinnybinny, ok.  I've never dealt with HP printers and Linux before.  first google result I get points to linuxquestions.org.  Seen that page?
[11:58] <sycron> Is there a less busy channel?
[11:58] <_ceed_> laters, have a x server to kill :)
[11:58] <vinnybinny> galorin: yeah i've seen it
[11:58] <enyc> piclez: right... do 'netstat -ltn' to see what is listening on TCP ports on your machine
[11:58] <quintin_> jrib: thank goodness
[11:58] <eXistenZ> what's the difference between less and more?
[11:58] <AquaF0x> HELP!
[11:58] <kdotsky> less is more
[11:58] <piclez> enyc: thank you a lot :)
[11:58] <AquaF0x> How to sudo in unpacking?
[11:58] <AquaF0x> Tarball?
[11:58] <eXistenZ> !less
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about less - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <quintin_> jrib: if I put the CD in, will the package management software use that as a source automatically?
[11:58] <eXistenZ> !more
[11:58] <IcemanV9> what is the difference between hda and sda?? hda == ata hd and sda == sata hd .. correct?
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about more - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <synic> AquaF0x: you don't need to use sudo to unpack a tarball.
[11:59] <[b] urk> eXistenZ, try
[11:59] <AquaF0x> NO!
[11:59] <synic> IcemanV9: sda might be scsi as well
[11:59] <enyc> piclez: aghually...
[11:59] <eternalswd> kdotsky, what happens when you bring up Networking under System -> Administration -> Networking
[11:59] <AquaF0x> But the directory is for root!
[11:59] <hopeseekr> hello.  I am *trying* for *hours* now to figure out what the unstable repository url is.  Hlep????
[11:59] <piclez> enyc, nothing on that port, so must be something else :/ tks :)
[11:59] <jrib> quintin_: I think so, it worked for me.  But if it doesn't do it for you just go to system > administration > synaptic, edit > add cdrom
[11:59] <enyc> piclez: do 'netstat -ltnp' to see what program listening on what port ;--)
[11:59] <synic> AquaF0x: what are you trying to unpack?
[11:59] <AquaF0x> Firefox update.
[11:59] <IcemanV9> synic: that's right. that, too. scsi
[11:59] <galorin> vinnybinny, any luck with that?  I suspect you can leave out the compiling software bits, but the rest looks like it should work.
[11:59] <kdotsky> eternalswd: i'm in kubuntu, but when i go to network settings i can see wlan0 as an enabled wireless network device
[11:59] <quintin_> package manager start when I first put cd in
[11:59] <quintin_> very nice
[11:59] <AquaF0x> Synic?
[11:59] <hopeseekr> hello.  I am *trying* for *hours* now to figure out what the unstable repository url is.  Hlep????
[11:59] <erUSUL> eXistenZ: more is the tradicional ancient unix pager less is _more (hint hint)_ capable
[11:59] <synic> AquaF0x: are you on dapper?
[12:00] <quintin_> yea pretty compelling so far, but needs more wireless drivers
[12:00] <AquaF0x> What is dapper?
[12:00] <jrib> !dapper
[12:00] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th and latest release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake"
[12:00] <enyc> piclez: pou may need  'sudo netstat -ltnp'.... to see all processes etc.
[12:00] <piclez> enyc: there is none program name
[12:00] <kdotsky> eternalswd: in fact I have my essid set in the configuration in the gui too
[12:00] <piclez> enyc: yep! nice :)
[12:00] <AquaF0x> No.
[12:00] <piclez> that's cool
[12:00] <AquaF0x> I'm not on dapper?
[12:00] <eternalswd> kdotsky, and it remembers it there?
[12:00] <AquaF0x> Where can I get dapper.
[12:00] <TheGateKeeper> AquaF0x: what does this return: cat /etc/issue
[12:00] <AquaF0x> I am on Hoary Hedgehog.
[12:00] <enyc> piclez: I didnt know there was a -p until I just looked ;-)
[12:00] <synic> AquaF0x: you can upgrade to dapper
[12:00] <jrib> hopeseekr: there is no real "unstable".  edgy is the development version though (which means a lot of things are broken or can randomly break), is that what you are interested in?
[12:00] <kdotsky> eternalswd: yeah i just checked it and it's set from before
[12:01] <vinnybinny> galorin: no, no luck. after some searching i found that the hplip driver does not support my model of printer via network. but there was some posts in the ubuntu forums saying otherwise...i guess im going to have to trust the people making the driver support ;)
[12:01] <enyc> piclez: learn somethi new every day ;-
[12:01] <enyc> ;-)


[07:55]  * abogani waves...
[07:56] <abogani> Someone know what is timeframe for 2.6.27-10.20? I would want rebase -rt on -generic kernel but i don know if do job against 2.6.27-9.19 or is better wait 2.6.27-10.20...
[07:59] <smb_tp> abogani, Hm, actually I thought 10.20 is already there...
[08:00] <smb_tp> abogani, Ah, -proposed
[08:00] <abogani> smb_tp: You are right but i meant in -updates
[08:01] <smb_tp> abogani, Normally this should happen soon, given no bigger problems arise...
[08:04] <abogani> smb_tp: Ok. Thank you.
[09:50] <gregd> hi guys, I asked already some time ago about using kernel 2.6.28 in my intrepid ubuntu. And I got an answer I should wait for the build to be finished.
[09:51] <gregd> So I presume, it is finished. What's the easiest way of getting the newer kernel for my ubuntu?
[13:44] <gregd> hello. How can I make my ubuntu (intrepid) download (and install) the build of kernel 2.6.28?
[13:53] <amitk> gregd: i386 or amd64?
[13:54] <gregd> amitk: i386
[13:54] <amitk> gregd: download this deb and use dpkg -i <deb> to install: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.28-1-ub-generic_2.6.28-1.1_i386.deb
[13:55] <gregd> amitk: and than just to edit my bootloader to add this new kernel?
[13:56] <amitk> gregd: installing the deb should take care of it. But you may cross-check /boot/grub/menu.lst
[13:56] <amitk> all this will ofcourse become automatic in the coming weeks
[13:56] <gregd> amitk: perfect! Thanks a lot. I'm gonna try this kernel out today!
[13:58] <amitk> gregd: please do report problems in launchpad :)
[13:58] <gregd> I will if I find something!
[15:07] <Kano> hi
[15:07] <Kano> did anybody successfully use nfs with 2.6.28?
[15:30] <apw> Kano, not heard anything negative about NFS for it, you got problems with that kernel?
[15:31] <Kano> yes, it does not work at all
[15:31] <Kano> did you use it?
[15:31] <apw> unable to mount things?  panics all over the place?
[15:31] <apw> not something i've had to use as yet no
[15:31] <Kano> the nfs-kernel-server does not work
[15:31] <apw> is there a lp bug open yet?
[15:32] <apw> what does it say when it starts?
[15:32] <Kano> i dont think that kernel is in the repository
[15:32] <apw> this on intrepid?
[15:32] <Kano> nope, i do not use intrepid
[15:32] <apw> we are just switching jaunty to a 2.6.28 based kernel, so if there is an NFS userspace interaction it may occur there too
[15:33] <apw> what base are you using?
[15:33] <Kano> i tested it on lenny + etch (with latest backports of portmap+nfs-kernel-server)
[15:34] <Kano> i compile the kernels from git with small config changes like static vesafb
[15:34] <Kano> or enabled ath5k
[15:35] <apw> hmmm ... well i guess the first thing to check is for required version of the nfs userspace tools for the .28 kernel, that should be documented in Documentation/* somewhere
[15:35] <Kano> well newer as the latest one is somehow stupid ;)
[15:37] <Kano> another thing, i found yesterday a missing firmware, today the next (both are for 2.6.27 too)
[15:37] <Kano> http://hpmerkel.com/hpblog/images/dvb-usb-digivox-02.fw.tgz
[15:38] <Kano> this one is for dvb-t too
[15:38] <Kano> extracted of course...
[17:17] <gregd> guys, I've just installed linux-image-2.6.28-1-ub-generic_2.6.28-1.1_i386.deb. Is it enough to migrate to this kernel, or should I install some modules as well?
[17:42] <gregd> actually it works well
[17:55] <apw> if you don't have any binary drivers that should be enough
[18:17] <fransman> gregd: The kernel modules are in the package


[01:31] <ailo> len-dt: Do you have a personal page on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[01:35] <len-dt> ailo,  A who?
[01:35] <len-dt> Why would I do dat
[01:36] <len-dt> ailo, ulatency doesn't work for me...
[01:42] <ailo> len-dt: Something like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottLavender
[01:43] <ailo> astraljava: Can't find your personal wiki page
[01:43] <ailo> I just got one myself. Very spartan https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ailo
[01:44] <ailo> len-dt: I'm about to start updating wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio, and I will begin by determining who is doing what on this project
[02:13] <ailo> Ok, it's light enough to see where I'm running. I'm aiming at running 10km under 35 min next year, and have started extreme training for that. So, it's a fast lap almost every morning for me
[03:27] <len-dt> ailo, it apears things swap no matter where swappiness is set... even with not very much memory use. unless my system started to hibernate itself?
[03:38] <ailo> len-dt: The first version of ubuntustudio-controls will only do one thing. Administer user realtime privilege. That is something you can't do graphically very easily on Ubuntu, and if you create a new user, there's nothing telling you you need to be apart of audio group to get realtime privilege
[03:39] <ailo> Gnome3, which Unity is based on, uses a much simpler user account manager, with no group editing
[03:40] <ailo> For people upgrading from any other Ubuntu derived distro, they will also not know about audio group
[03:40] <ailo> But, with -controls, they just need to use a toggle, and it will be set
[03:43] <len-dt> ailo, Ok.
[03:45] <ailo> len-dt: My focus for the next couple of weeks will be the website and the wiki. So, I won't be helping out much with testing, which I think we need to set up a plan for.
[03:46] <ailo> We need to document what a tweak does and why we need it
[03:46] <ailo> Also, the testing must accurately prove it
[03:46] <len-dt> Ya, my testing has been useful if not too practical.
[03:47] <len-dt> but it does seem to show that swap does bad things for audio.
[03:48] <len-dt> And it shows that swap happens all the time. It does not matter where swappiness is set, after enough time, things still swap out.
[03:50] <ailo> len-dt: Are you saying, the swappiness setting has no effect, and that swap is used no matter what?
[03:51] <len-dt> ailo,  the swappiness setting has a great effect in the short term. but after 26 hours swap has happened anyway. The system shows 22%memory use and 46% swap...
[03:52] <len-dt> 22+46 is a lot less than 100%
[03:52] <ailo> Sounds mysterious. Perhaps there are kernel options that would help
[03:53] <len-dt> Well, how many recording sessions would last 26 hours? would have lots of tasks sitting doing nothing?
[03:54] <ailo> My internet seems a bit more stable today. I will try to get my kernel PPA running
[03:54] <len-dt> Jack was busy of course and never suffered dropout, but when I tried to do anything after that... almost everything had to be swapped in.
[03:55] <ailo> len-dt: Live recording, on festivals and such, though 26h is probably a bit unusual
[03:55] <ailo> Actually, there are other things too
[03:55] <ailo> Like live installations
[03:55] <len-dt> Live recording would be different again because there would be disk use and disk cache buildup.
[03:56] <ailo> Live installations might, or might not use hard disk. Anyway, hard disk is a variable
[03:56] <ailo> Both read and write
[03:57] <len-dt> ailo, I am going to try again with a swapoff command and see where that goes.
[03:57] <len-dt> I should probably reboot first though :-)
[03:57] <len-dt> just to start with zero swap use.
[03:58] <ailo> You could try formatting your swap partition, removing swap all together. But, what effects would that have on the system?
[03:59] <len-dt> ailo, I am starting to think that no one has really done a thorough job of setting up a system just for audio.
[03:59] <len-dt> swap off runs the system with no swap.
[03:59] <len-dt> s/swap off/swapoff/
[03:59] <kubotu> len-dt meant: "swapoff runs the system with no swap."
[03:59] <ailo> Ah, right
[04:00] <len-dt> Where did that guy come from? I thought he was turned off...
[04:00] <ailo> He's a lurker
[04:00] <len-dt> thank you for the correction kubotu
[04:02] <len-dt> Anyway, in the short term, swappiness set to 0 is helpful and probably safer than swapoff.
[04:10] <len-dt> ailo, I am pretty sure any standalone disk recording box has no swap, just memory. The device is engineered to never run out of memory.
[04:20] <astraljava> ailo: I don't think I have one.
[04:26] <len-dt> ailo,  There are things I could do to make a very good recording machine, but not such a good computer for anything else.
[04:27] <len-dt> I don't want to see us ship US tweaked so it is no good for all the other things it is supposed to be good for. Or for a lots of desktop like stuff for that matter.
[04:41] <ailo> Great timing for this. Someone finished it 4 days ago http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html
[04:41] <ailo> astraljava: Don't know if you need reference, but the above should be somewhate usefule
[05:00] <Len-nb> ailo, I'm going to try this:
[05:01] <Len-nb> Mem:   1016584k total,   447240k used,   569344k free,    48092k buffers
[05:01] <Len-nb> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   252688k cached
[05:03] <Len-nb> To make sure no swap at all does get rid of strange stuff. Then I will try hard use on the system to see what happens as I get close to full memory use.
[06:00] <ailo> I wonder what the record is in replies to a thread on debian-devel list
[06:01] <ailo> They're discussing a possible change of their init system
[06:27] <len-dt> ailo, init? are they using upstart?
[06:31] <len-dt> ailo, anyway, playing around with no swap. It is interesting how much stuff must be swapped out normally. I can't run as many synths as I have with swap on. but qjackctl is always there when I need to change connections. I'll run it like this till tomorrow after noon and see where things are.
[06:35] <ailo> len-dt: They are still on the old system, but there has been discussion about alternatives, where upstart is mentioned. There are other ones too. Debian Wheezy is alpha now, so I guess the change will only happen for wheezy+1.
[06:36] <len-dt> So they are using sys v then
[06:36] <ailo> Yep
[06:36] <len-dt> Why change?
[06:37] <ailo> I wouldn't know, and I guess that is what they are discussing about, very passionately at times
[06:37] <len-dt> Aside from faster startup
[06:37] <ailo> I think faster startup is probably one of the main arguments for
[06:38] <len-dt> Yes, it is the configuration headache that is the downside
[06:43] <ailo> I guess it might be cool for laptops to be slighly faster. Other than that, who cares?
[06:44] <ailo> It's not like booting Windows Vista anyway, which is like submitting to torture
[06:58] <astraljava> ailo: I believe I do. Thanks!
[08:06] <ailo> Been testing mixing with ardour2
[08:07] <ailo> Routing seems very buggy
[08:07] <ailo> Hopefully A3 is a lot better when it comes to that
[08:40] <astraljava> When's it coming out, anyway?
[08:44] <ailo> Should be anytime now. They haven't released another beta for a while
[08:44] <ailo> Also, one would think mixbus will release a new version after that, but who knows
[08:46] <astraljava> Hi gang, please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors and comment if needed. ochosi on #xubuntu-devel mentioned this, and (quite correctly) presumed it might be interesting for [us|US] as well.
[08:46] <astraljava> Oh, and he's here, too. :D Oh well.
[08:47] <knome> har har.
[10:25] <ailo> A3 is no doubt better at routing
[13:54] <len-dt> astraljava, the one thing I would add is a default profile for when a second monitor shows up mid session.
[13:57] <len-dt> In the case of a desktop user who always has two monitors, but forgets to turn on the second one at boot. The setup defaults to single/mirrored when it is turned on even though it was set fort side by side on last boot.
[13:59] <len-dt> In other words yes profiles. Keep the default for only one monitor as is, but add a default for two monitors.
[14:02] <len-dt> Also, should the second monitor vanish... the whole desk should fit on the monitor that is left... it doesn't right now. It leaves the screen size as if both monitors were there but puts the main monitor in the middle so there is no longer access to the menu even for getting settings to change things.
[14:03]  * len-dt is off to work...


[00:10] <tjaalton> rtg: lrm is now uploaded, and I need some sleep :)
[00:25] <infinity> tjaalton: Danke.
[09:10] <kraut> moin
[11:29] <munckfish> Hi, I hope this is on-topic enough - I'm updating kboot for ps3 (LP bug 146230). It comes bundled with it's own kernel source (2.6.24) ...
[11:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146230 in ps3-kboot "update ps3-kboot to 1.4.1" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146230
[11:30] <munckfish> Could someone offer any advice on what I should do about "syncing" it with the Hardy kernel?
[11:30] <munckfish> E.g. should I take a snapshot of the hardy kernel and include that within the ps3-kboot package? Or is there a more elegant solution?
[11:31] <munckfish> Also how important is it that the kboot kernel and ubuntu kernel are the same?
[11:31] <munckfish> thx
[11:52] <phoenix_> Hi there, I reported a bug #199934, which is causing hardy to panic upon reboot in the raid device driver - and the bug is still 'undecided' and I just wanted to know what I can do, to get some attention to get it fixed for -release
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199934 in linux-meta "Kernel Panic, in gdth (RAID) driver on reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199934
[12:02] <munckfish> cjwatson: have you got a moment to chat about ps3-kboot?
[12:07] <cjwatson> munckfish: BenC will really be better for that, once he's around
[12:07] <cjwatson> (he's US Eastern time)
[12:11] <munckfish> cjwatson: ok thx I'll look out for him later. thx
[12:54] <Whoopie> soren: Hi, I'd have a question about the virtual kernel package. When I use the vmxnet driver in the VM, I have to select "wired network" each time I log in. Is the driver lacking some features which NetworkManager needs?
[13:30] <BenC> Good morning everyone
[13:33] <amitk_> Morning BenC
[13:42] <rtg> amitk_: I see the wimax firmware disappeared.
[13:48] <BenC> brb, testing my vzw evdo card
[14:14] <BenC> sweet, evdo card works
[14:34] <munckfish> BenC: Hi have you got a moment to talk about ps3-kboot?
[14:35] <munckfish> I'm working on LP bug 146230
[14:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146230 in ps3-kboot "update ps3-kboot to 1.4.1" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146230
[14:37] <BenC> munckfish: Sure
[14:37] <munckfish> Great
[14:37] <munckfish> basically I'm half way to getting it to compile
[14:37] <munckfish> as is, from upstream
[14:37] <munckfish> Now, it bundles kernel 2.6.24
[14:38] <munckfish> What should I do about "syncing" it with the Hardy kernel?
[14:38] <munckfish> Should I take a snapshot
[14:38] <munckfish> of the hardy kernel source
[14:38] <munckfish> and put that into the source tarball?
[14:38] <munckfish> Or is there a more elegant solution?
[14:38] <BenC> No
[14:38] <BenC> just use what they have, stock
[14:38] <munckfish> Aha, ok
[14:39] <BenC> it's only used for first stage loader, it's not what the system uses to boot
[14:39] <BenC> the end boot results will be out powerpc64-smp kernel
[14:39] <BenC> *our
[14:39] <munckfish> Ok great that makes things simpler :)
[14:39] <munckfish> Right then, well I'll cont. working on it.
[14:40] <munckfish> I have all evening Friday put aside
[14:40] <munckfish> hopefully I'll have something to show next week
[14:40] <munckfish> thanks
[14:47] <rtg> BenC: so who do you have service with for your evdo card?
[14:49] <BenC> rtg: verizon
[14:49] <rtg> USB?
[14:49] <BenC> rtg: it had to be activated via windows, but easy to setup after
[14:49] <amitk_> when are you guys getting WiMAX rollouts?
[14:49] <BenC> rtg: it's USB, but it's one of the dell provided cards that fits into the internal wwan slot
[14:49] <rtg> BenC: I think I have one of those.
[14:50] <BenC> pretty sure jose sent you one when he sent me one
[15:10] <Whoopie> BenC: Hi, do you perhaps know why NetworkManager doesn't activate "wired network" with the vmxnet driver? After each login, I have to enable it.
[15:13] <mjg59> It doesn't provide carrier detect?
[15:22] <Whoopie> mjg59: aha, ok. I read something about it on http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2008/02/18/hey-vmware-set_netdev_dev-wants-a-word-with-you/
[15:23] <Whoopie> it seems that vmxnet supports carrier detection, but NetworkManager is not able to find it out.
[18:36] <thoreauputic> mjg59: thanks for getting the ball rolling on bug 201591 - looks like all is well with 2.6.24-14 :)
[18:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201591 in linux "atyfb regression - screen blank except for blinking cursor after fbcon vtswitch " [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201591
[18:37] <mjg59> thoreauputic: Excellent
[18:38] <thoreauputic> finally! Now I can pursue my eccentric little no-X project with a hardy version
[18:39] <thoreauputic> anyway, I thought I'd drop in and say thanks, because you took the trouble to start the process with your patch etc.
[18:40] <mjg59> Yeah, it was my fault to begin with
[18:40] <thoreauputic> really?
[18:41] <thoreauputic> ah well - all's well that ends well and other conventional sentiments...
[18:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[18:44] <mjg59> Hm
[18:44] <mjg59> acx111 just blew away my kernel
[20:36] <dhaval> any clue where I will find Tim Gardener?
[20:37] <rtg> dhaval: yes?
[20:37] <dhaval> rtg, regarding BUG 188226
[20:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[20:38] <dhaval> CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED is arch independent
[20:38] <rtg> dhaval: as far as I could tell, it is not supported on non x86/x86_64 arches (which I found a bit surprising)
[20:39] <dhaval> rtg, it is arch independent. i have resolved fair_cgroup_sched bugs on ia64 and ppc
[20:39] <rtg> I went through the menuconfig options manually, but no CGROUPS selection presented itself.
[20:39] <dhaval> rtg, you need to have CONFIG_CGROUP on for that
[20:40] <rtg> is the a prerequisite ?
[20:40] <dhaval> it depends on that
[20:40] <dhaval> well, how else would you do cgroup scheduling :)
[20:40] <rtg> hmm, lemme recheck.
[20:40] <rtg> I was in  a hurry at the time.
[20:40] <dhaval> hmm. you had us a bit worried
[20:40] <dhaval> rtg, i still suggest, keep cgroup_sched as default
[20:40] <rtg> shit. you know thats gonna cause another ABI bump.
[20:40] <dhaval> itwill save you a lot of bugs like that boinc one
[20:41] <dhaval> rtg, hmm?
[20:41] <rtg> its not a big deal, but does cause some process work for the archive admins.
[20:42] <dhaval> ok. well i have been hollering for cgroup_sched for months now :)
[20:43] <rtg> I have to point out that you are a small (but vocal) minority. I have not been able to extract an informed opinion from the server group.
[20:43] <dhaval> trust me, it would make life a lot easier. you would have old behavior and if you wanted group scheduling, you just have to mount it
[20:43] <dhaval> rtg, heh, i wrote part of that code :)
[20:44] <rtg> as I pointed out in the LP report, its the addition of user space configuration that is causing me problems. Its more of a policy restriction given the development stage we are at. Hardy is about to release.
[20:45] <dhaval> rtg, i have been hollering for months. i don't have any issues.
[20:45] <dhaval> but you are going to get a number of "bugs" because people are not going to be aware of the changed behavior
[20:45] <rtg> I'll get CGROUPS in the server image, but I'm not willing to mess with the desktop until we start Intrepid next month.
[20:45] <rtg> Those who really care can run the server image on their desktop.
[20:46] <dhaval> rtg, people are *NOT* going to be aware of the new scheduler behavior
[20:46] <dhaval> they are going to find that they get 50% cpu and daemons get 50%
[20:46] <dhaval> and nice can't help them there.
[20:46] <dhaval> you will get bugs raised on that, and you will have to come up with workarounds.
[20:47] <dhaval> the suggested solution is to shift to CGROUP_SCHED, which as I mention i have been suggesting for months now :)
[20:47] <rtg> in all honesty, 99% of desktop users don't care. I'll point out the alternatives when I have to.
[20:48] <dhaval> rtg, ok, i will let you be the judge on that. its your decision in the end..
[20:48] <rtg> CGROUPS is definitely in the cards for Intrepid.
[20:49] <dhaval> rtg, btw, could you mention that fair_cgroup_sched is arch independent on that thread, esp since that might come up on google searches and we don't want ubuntu bz to give wrong results
[20:49] <rtg> yes - as part of updating the configs.
[20:49] <dhaval> rtg, might I also suggest to try playing with the memory controller, which allows you to control memory.. :)
[20:49] <rtg> i'll get it into the LP report.
[20:49] <dhaval> rtg, thanks!
[20:53] <rtg> dhaval: what about  CONFIG_CGROUP_NS and CONFIG_CPUSETS ?
[20:53] <dhaval> rtg, cpusets will allow you create groups of CPUs/memory banks
[20:53] <dhaval> you can then put tasks and set them to run only on those cpusets
[20:54] <rtg> dhaval: so you recommend enabling those options as well?
[20:54] <dhaval> ns is still a black hole for me.
[20:54] <dhaval> rtg, ns, i suggest you get in touch with their developers.
[20:54] <dhaval> i believe cpusets is quite stable.
[20:54] <rtg> dhaval: you would be just as happy with just cpusets?
[20:55] <dhaval> rtg, did not get the question
[20:55] <rtg> dhaval: sorry, l meant would you be ok with only enabling CONFIG_CPUSETS ?
[20:55] <rtg> do you actually use either option in practice?
[20:56] <dhaval> rtg, i am not sure if desktop users would be interested in cpusets.
[20:56] <dhaval> or ns proxy.
[20:56] <dhaval> as a user, i don't use cpusets or ns
[20:57] <rtg> dhaval: ok, since their use is optional I'll enable them as well.
[20:57] <dhaval> i do use cgroup scheduling though when i want to control how my system is running as well as the memory controller to trap firefox/openioffice
[20:59] <dhaval> rtg, this is for intrepid right?
[20:59] <blueyed> Doesn't cpusets depend on cgroup?
[20:59] <dhaval> blueyed, yep, all thesedepend on cgroup
[20:59] <blueyed> dhaval: thanks for bringing this issue up again here.
[20:59] <blueyed> rtg: I've been also pondering about this, since 2.6.24 hit Hardy..
[20:59] <rtg> dhaval: I was going to enable cpusets and ns for Hardy server.
[21:00] <dhaval> blueyed, i did not know about the existence of this channel, otherwise i would have been hollering here earlier
[21:00] <blueyed> it's really a regression for users/desktops..
[21:00] <dhaval> blueyed, well, we can agree to disagree :)
[21:00] <dhaval> blueyed, i call it expected behavior
[21:00] <dhaval> rtg, i just talked to upstream folks, they like the idea, it will get it wider coverage
[21:00] <blueyed> dhaval: I'm for cgroups.. because it's the old behaviour, I mean.
[21:00] <dhaval> rtg, thanks a lot for listening!
[21:01] <dhaval> blueyed, yeah, i aree
[21:01] <rtg> dhaval: the new kernel package should show up by morning (UTC-8)
[21:01] <dhaval> rtg, thanks, i should set up hardy-rawhide or something like that on a virtual machine
[21:02] <blueyed> rtg: with cgroups only for server, still?
[21:02] <dhaval> blueyed, rtg i would still suggest desktop as well, but its your decision in the end, not mine
[21:03] <rtg> dhaval, blueyed: its actually not _all_ my decision. the kernel team discussed the ramifications, and being a generally conservative bunch, decided to only enable CGROUPS for servers.
[21:04] <dhaval> rtg, i wish they would have involved us in the discussion as well
[21:04] <dhaval> we could have provided you with more information
[21:04] <rtg> well, better late then never :)
[21:04] <dhaval> being conservative, i would have suggested cgroup and not user
[21:04] <blueyed> rtg: I've scammed the irclogs about this, and it seemed to just have been rushed over.
[21:04] <dhaval> user is more dangerous, because of the "bugs" that will surely crop up as blueyed will confirm
[21:04] <rtg> blueyed: it may well have been, being somewhat ignorant of the issue myself.
[21:05] <blueyed> rtg: not fair.. I've been here before, there have been several bug reports it, etc..
[21:05] <dhaval> rtg, fwiw, why don't you guys get upstream folks involved as well?
[21:05] <blueyed> It has just been ignored and then "too late now..."..
[21:05] <dhaval> blueyed, i agree..
[21:05] <rtg> its a matter of volume. there are few of us, and literally thousands of bug reports.
[21:06] <rtg> the stuff that gets my attention are hard failures.
[21:06] <blueyed> rtg: you could have saved some time, by listening to this issue earlier.. ;) "upstream" (dhaval) came to us even..
[21:06] <dhaval> rtg, hmm. that is where getting upstream more closely involved would help
[21:07] <dhaval> rtg, fwiw, i don't use ubuntu and this experience made me feel like using ubuntu even lesser
[21:07] <rtg> come on you guys, quit beating me up. I can on;y do so much.
[21:08] <dhaval> rtg, sorry! not meant to beat you up.
[21:08] <dhaval> but lesson to be learnt. do involve upstream
[21:08] <dhaval> we all want linux to get better
[21:08] <blueyed> rtg: sorry, we're not beating.. but finally somebody seems to listen, so..
[21:09] <rtg> I'm working on it. like I said, I'll have a CGROUPS server release in the morning.
[21:09] <dhaval> rtg, if you do hit scheduler bugs, do report it up, most of the folks are very responsive
[21:09] <dhaval> rtg, fwiw, it holds for all subsystems
[21:09] <rtg> will do
[21:10] <dhaval> remember, we all want to make Linux better :)
[21:12] <blueyed> rtg: thanks. Do you understand the issue for desktop users, too? Having processes in the background (cron, daemons, especially owned by root [because it gets 2000 by default in user_sched]) makes the foreground/user's tasks slow. IMHO it's even more important for the desktop then for the server.
[21:12] <blueyed> rtg: can you please bring this up in the kernel-team again?
[21:13] <dhaval> blueyed, thanks for putting it up so clearly, thta's what i have been trying to say
[21:13] <dhaval> rtg, i have to agree with blueyed
[21:13] <rtg> blueyed: I'll raise the issue. I'll even post a PPA kernel for testing.
[21:13] <dhaval> what is PPA?
[21:13] <blueyed> rtg: great. I would have put one in my Personal Package Archive (PPA) anyway.
[21:13] <rtg> dhaval: Personal Package Archive.
[21:13] <dhaval> blueyed, thanks!
[21:13] <dhaval> rtg, thanks!
[21:14] <blueyed> (or installed -server), but all that won't help normal users.
[21:14] <dhaval> blueyed, i would suggest custom sched-devel kernel :)
[21:14] <blueyed> Thank you, dhaval. Also with bugging me about properly working around in boinc.. :)
[21:15] <blueyed> sched-devel?
[21:15] <dhaval> blueyed, that is the tree for the next kernel release. (currently aimed for 2.6.26)
[21:15] <blueyed> dhaval: don't ask for too much.. ;)
[21:16] <dhaval> blueyed, ah, np. (that part of the code i had written (and believe me, sysfs is a big pain to work with!), so all the hard work had to be seen in action :P )
[21:17] <dhaval> rtg, blueyed are there any resources on how i can setup the ubuntu-devel branch?
[21:17] <dhaval> let me just set it up in a virtual machine
[21:17] <rtg> dhaval: there is some wiki info. lemme find it.
[21:18] <rtg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance
[21:18] <dhaval> rtg, oh, i meant something similar to fedora's rawhide which is a daily build of how fedora looks?
[21:20] <rtg> dhaval: not knowing how the rawhide stuff works, I'm not sure what to tell you. I have not enabled the daily kernel build stuff yet. Its on my list for Intrepid.
[21:20] <rtg> there is agit repo.
[21:20] <rtg> s/agit/a git/
[21:21] <dhaval> rtg, oh ok, so what fedora does is that it builds the whole distro every night and you do a yum update to get updated fully. is there something similar for ubuntu?
[21:21] <dhaval> if i can set that up, I can get you more feedback than I can do now
[21:21] <rtg> dhaval: no, the distro is only built on demand, e.g., when a package update is uploaded.
[21:22] <dhaval> hmm. ok.
[21:22] <dhaval> right, that's similar to rawhide.
[21:23] <dhaval> what i meant by rebuild was that you have a daily build. the updates are pushed out once aday
[21:23] <rtg> the updates are pushed to the archive as soon as an archive admin pushes them, about once an hour.
[21:24] <rtg> that is, after the build completes.
[21:24] <dhaval> ok, so is there some documentation about that? i can't really find my way through the ubuntu wiki. Contribute brought me to a completely unexpected page :(
[21:26] <rtg> dhaval: its all based on the debian way of doing things. Its such a deep topic I'm not sure where to tell you to start. I've only been doing it for just over a year.
[21:27] <dhaval> rtg, oh. ok, proably another day then.
[21:27] <dhaval> rtg, i won't be lurking about here, but feel free to let me know by email if I can help
[21:27] <cradek> yay, my framebuffer console (radeon) works again with -14
[21:27] <rtg> dhaval: ok. thanks for the pointers.
[21:29] <dhaval> rtg, np. hope to see the cfs group scheduler in action and making people more happy with its responsiveness. btw, i've given a pointer to a daemon in the LP mail if you want to simulate user scheduling with cgroup_sched
[21:31] <dhaval> rtg, i did have one more question
[21:32] <rtg> dhaval: yes?
[21:32] <dhaval> rtg, how does one get packages in ubuntu? i'm working on a userspace library for control groups known as libcg, (http://libcg.sf.net)
[21:32] <dhaval> do you need sponsors and such stuff?
[21:33] <rtg> dhaval: right, they are called MOTU sponsors.
[21:33] <dhaval> if this is totally off topic, just point me to the right channel
[21:33] <rtg> dhaval: is there an #ubuntu channel? Its likely a good place to start.
[21:34] <dhaval> that seems like a user channel and /join #ubuntu-devel gave me * ubuntu-devel :That channel doesn't exist
[21:34] <dhaval> hmm. i seemed to have made a stupid mistake
[21:34] <dhaval> mised the #
[21:35] <rtg> dhaval: if that doesn't work out, send an email to Daniel Holbach<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:36] <dhaval> rtg, thanks! i found #ubuntu-motu
[21:36] <rtg> ok, I'm ducking out for a bit.
[21:37] <dhaval> hmm. that channel seems awfully quiet
[21:37] <dhaval> rtg, ok, thanks!
[21:45] <blueyed> dhaval: just get the beta release (or daily live cd), install it and then you can upgrade from there, as the package get built/uploaded.
[21:45] <dhaval> blueyed, link to the daily live cd?
[21:45] <blueyed> dhaval: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:45] <blueyed> (from google :p)
[21:45] <dhaval> blueyed, thanks!
[21:46] <dhaval> blueyed, too lazy, its too late here. i am supposed to be asleep about 2 hours back
[21:57] <tjaalton> is lbm meant to be a staging area for proposed updates to lum?
[22:03] <liquidhackz> irssi quit
[22:06] <tjaalton> blueyed: you did the acpi-support update? I'm not sure if that's to blame, but the suspend hotkey doesn't work on my thinkpad anymore since some recent update
[22:24] <num> hello, i've done an hardy upgrade, which downloaded a new kernel 2.6.24-14, when i now boot my notebook it hangs on every new boot on a different driver. once at the iwl3945 driver loading, once at the ricoh-mmc driver. may there be something i miss or isn't done automaticaly?
[22:38] <Nafallo> num: I would try a memtest :-)
[22:39] <num> a memtest?
[22:40] <num> Nafallo: but a memtest that urly during boot?
[22:40] <Nafallo> num: esc during the grub menu and choose memtest
[22:41] <num> Nafallo: you suppose a damaged memory?
[22:42] <Nafallo> that's one of the first things I check. sounds like some kind of hardware issue at least.
[22:43] <num> i can't believe this, since i'm on this machine with the kernel version below, xx-12
[22:43] <num> and no problems
[22:43]  * Nafallo shrugs
[22:44] <Nafallo> I just say what it sounds like to me. and never said that it was the actual issue.
[22:44] <num> Nafallo: i thank you
[22:44] <num> i appreciate any ideas, help
[22:45] <Nafallo> :-)
[22:46] <num> what i also saw was, that my wireless is a iwl3945, and kernel -12 shows the device as 3945ABG and the new kernel -14 shows it as 3945AB
[22:59] <blueyed> tjaalton: I don't think it was acpi-support. There have been some generic hotkeys been reported lately.. do you have a bug report? What laptop do you have?
[23:23] <Ng> is there intended to be another kernel build before release? or is 14 likely to be it barring any disasters?
[23:24] <rtg> Ng: one more ABI bump tonight.
[23:25] <rtg> I did n't get CGROUPS set correctly on all arches.
[23:25] <Ng> erk
[23:25] <Ng> oh well, I was probably going to have to maintain my own lum, I can do the same with the kernel. damn new hardware ;)
[23:26] <rtg> the joys of open source?
[23:26] <Ng> it cuts both ways, I've had all of the major hardware glitches worked out within a fairly short time of contacting upstream projects, but it's been harder to get the fine details locked down enough to push for inclusion
[23:28] <Ng> and I can make easily enough make a PPA for people with the same hardware
[23:28] <rtg> Ng: what hw do you have that we are not supporting?
[23:29] <smb_tp> Ng: You solved your camera problem
[23:29] <smb_tp> ?
[23:29] <Ng> rtg: audio chipset and usb camera
[23:29] <Ng> smb_tp: I think so, yeah
[23:29] <Ng> well I didn't, upstream did :)
[23:30] <smb_tp> Ng: I guess somewhere in this wretched find_control. Maybe you can give me the pointer. Or did you just get the latest driver?
[23:30] <Ng> smb_tp: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200990/comments/10
[23:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200990 in linux "[hardy] oops when running cheese on Thinkpad X300" [High,Triaged]
[23:32] <smb_tp> Ng: Just missed that by seconds, hmpf. ;-)
[23:33] <Ng> hehe
[23:33] <Ng> I've not tried applying it to hardy source yet, working with upstream tarballs is a lot quicker for building one tiny driver ;)
[23:35] <smb_tp> Ng: yeah, but looks tiny enough to be ok and if that fixes your oops its one less on the bad list. rtg: would that be alright to push into lum?
[23:36] <rtg> smb_tp: looks fine. It demonstrably fixes the issue?
[23:37] <smb_tp> rtg: So says Ng but i can put that in and make a test module
[23:37] <rtg> smoh, I missed that port. I trust Ng. (must be getting late)
[23:37] <rtg> s/smoh/oh/
[23:38] <smb_tp> rtg: It really is. :)
[23:39] <Ng> if you can make a test module with our version of uvc I'd be very happy to test it since I've only tested it with the latest upstream svn. I could try building it myself, but it might take some time ;)
[23:39] <rtg> smb_tp: make it so. I'll get it before I upload later this evening.
[23:39] <smb_tp> rtg: I'll try my very best...
[23:40] <Ng> thanks :)
[23:44] <infinity> Ng: What did you do to earn this bizarre level of trust?
[23:44] <infinity> Ng: Has rtg *seen* terminator?
[23:45] <Ng> infinity: I'll have you know that more than one respected member of the distro team uses it! ;)
[23:46] <infinity> Ng: Can you name them, or have they begged for anonymity? :)
[23:46] <rtg> infinity: I trust him because he could delete all of my accounts. wait - is that a bad thing? I could go on vacation again.
[23:47] <infinity> rtg: I can prevent you from ever building anything again; do my patches get similar treatment? :)
[23:47] <rtg> infinity: only if you attach them to the LP report :) its so easy that way...
[23:48] <infinity> rtg: That's so much more effort than just directly committing them.
[23:48] <Ng> infinity: I might choose to protect them from association with the unfair treatment terminator gets, and the irony is that the haters all use gnome-terminal, which is hardly a paragon of quality ;)
[23:48] <infinity> Ng: xterm's where it's at!


[03:08] <iheartubuntu> Thanks for the scale info yesterday erichammond
[03:38] <sn9> DarkwingDuck: no news?
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> None as of yet.
[03:45] <sn9> :/
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah I know.
[17:04] <jamie> morning everyone
[17:11] <MarkDude> Good morning California, how are you?
[17:13] <jtatum> good morning, usa
[17:18] <jdeslip> California is cold
[17:22] <jamie> its kind of warm here in sonoma
[17:25] <akk> It's less cold in San Jose than in past weeks.
[17:28] <seidos> i've been doing yoga to stay warm
[17:29] <seidos> i saw stephen hawking speak at caltech last night, and while i waited in line i did some poses.  it helped.
[17:30] <akk> How was he?
[17:31] <akk> I saw Alan Stern last night (talking about the New Horizons mission to Pluto, and making snarky remarks about Michael "Plutokiller" Brown who's speaking tonight)
[17:31] <seidos> amusing, really.
[17:31] <seidos> he talks about his "Black Hole entropy equation" a bit
[17:31] <seidos> which was interesting
[17:31] <seidos> it wasn't really a technical talk though, just a "brief history of his life"
[17:31] <MarkDude> Sounds cool
[17:32] <seidos> some caltech students asked questions later.  one of the questions was on time travel, which was kind of interesting.
[19:24] <MarkDude> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[19:25] <yantrashilpi> MarkDude: Where is jono fielding questions? Which channel I mean, do you know?
[19:25] <MarkDude> His channel
[19:26] <yantrashilpi> that would be? sorry I'm new here :)
[19:27]  * pleia2 doesn't know either
[19:27] <MarkDude> The link I shared is not live?
[19:27] <pleia2> ah, the chat box in ustream?
[19:28] <yantrashilpi> ah ok
[19:29] <MarkDude> The video just appears, followed by an ad
[19:29] <yantrashilpi> yes... I was wondering if he was on irc.
[19:29] <MarkDude> Its all evil proprietary software tho
[19:29] <yantrashilpi> haha
[19:30] <MarkDude> if you log in, via FB or open id - there is a chat channel
[19:30] <yantrashilpi> yea I know that.
[19:30] <MarkDude>  the right of the video
[19:30] <yantrashilpi> I'm trying not to use that... :)
[19:30]  * MarkDude has ALL of that crap integrated
[19:31] <MarkDude> understand WHY others may not feel the same ;)
[19:31] <yantrashilpi> indeed.
[19:36] <yantrashilpi> in that case can somebody ask him for a wayland update... if he hasn't answered that already.
[23:58] <nhaines> Yay, I get to take February 25th off so I get to see SCaLE on Friday!  \o/


[00:26] <rww> ikonia: mikey85's nick is familiar but I don't remember how, so I'll +1 trolling
[01:19] <daftykins> just a heads up that as per earlier i am getting continued PM abuse from mikey85
[01:19] <daftykins> from #ubuntu
[01:20] <daftykins> *sigh* why freenode must attract these types i don't know
[01:20] <rww> freenode's pretty tame compared to more traditional IRC networks
[01:20] <rww> anyways, pastebin it and throw it in PM to me, please
[01:20] <daftykins> yeah it's not my first rodeo on here
[01:21] <daftykins> i kept closing and reopening when he ignored my requests not to message me again, so it's a bit moot
[01:24] <daftykins> basically claimed to be staff and is going to k-line me ¬_¬
[01:30] <Corey> Lovely.
[01:31] <daftykins> anywho, he's obviously going to be a repeated offender
[01:31] <daftykins> i shall head off now \o
[01:31] <rww> You should PM him and claim to be staff and say you're going to k-line him, Corey ;)
[01:31] <daftykins> that sounds like fun
[01:31] <Corey> rww: That would be amusing.
[01:32] <daftykins> please do, i could use a laugh - the trolls are getting me down today :(
[01:32] <daftykins> anywho, ttfn
[07:05] <bazhang> vahid> u baddddddddddddddddddddddd
[09:48] <ikonia> Flannel: is he known ?
[09:49] <Flannel> ikonia: Check the lastlog in -ot, past couple of hours.
[09:49] <ikonia> amazing, so he actually told you he was trying to wait for you to not be around to do it again
[09:49] <ikonia> utter idiot
[10:13] <elky> he's turning into a regular
[22:52] <valorie> @login
[22:52] <valorie> \o/
[22:53] <k1l> you got teh powah!
[22:53] <IdleOne> now try  @mark #ubuntu-ops valorie this is a test
[22:53] <valorie> @mark #ubuntu-ops valorie this is a test
[22:53] <valorie> weeeeee
[22:53] <valorie> now I'm all drunk with power
[22:53] <chu> Congrats
[22:53] <valorie> watch out....
[22:54] <IdleOne> welcome
[22:54] <IdleOne> valorie: now to complete the deal do @btlogin
[22:54] <valorie> btw, I had a nice long, friendly chat with rohan
[22:54] <valorie> @btlogin
[22:54] <IdleOne> that will give you a super secret link
[22:54] <IdleOne> you can search the bantracker
[22:55]  * valorie makes a note
[22:56] <valorie> re: rohan, once he got over his anger, he started to see our pov
[23:00] <valorie> okeydoke, in my notes
[23:03] <IdleOne> One is glad to have been of service.
[23:08] <Jordan_U> valorie: And to be fair, others started to see aspects of their pov also.
[23:09] <valorie> indeed
[23:09] <valorie> sometimes it is easier to hold to a position, rather than focussing on the end you both want
[23:10] <valorie> I see it in American politics almost all the time now, and find it terribly sad