[00:29] <imnichol> Does anyone know how to modify which directories are in my rhythmbox library?
[00:31] <Daekdroom> imnichol, Edit > Preferences > Music tab
[00:31] <Daekdroom> Well, it might be different. I'm using the portuguese translation so I don't know how the original is.
[00:31] <imnichol> Daekdroom, I'm actually trying to remove a directory
[00:31] <imnichol> that only lets me add new ones
[00:41] <Daekdroom> Unity2D feels so cartoonish.
[00:41] <Daekdroom> For the time being I'll use it because Unity keeps crashing X for me and I need some stability for a moment.
[01:14] <snadge> lol
[01:16] <WilsonBradley> hello
[01:16] <WilsonBradley> Can someone help me remove Speech_dispatcher ? It broke my audio and gives errors at boot
[01:33] <snadge> yeah i use unity2d
[01:33] <snadge> because fglrx sux
[01:37] <aukhan> I think I am missing something - I have a libwebkit based application that compiles fine, does not link (errors are undefined references for libgtk and libwebkit). I think I need to call ldd something or another to update library cache. Here is my source. http://pastebin.com/ayiEKPhU  Please help!
[01:37] <aukhan> This is on ubuntu 12.04 beta 1
[01:37] <aukhan> not the nightly
[01:38] <Daekdroom> So you installed Beta1 and did not update it?
[01:38] <aukhan> I updated it
[01:38] <aukhan> oh - does it update to the nightly?
[01:38] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[01:38] <aukhan> I did not realise that
[01:39] <Daekdroom> The same way you won't need to reinstall once 12.04 final comes.
[01:39] <Daekdroom> Although sudo apt-get dist-upgrade might be necessary at some point.
[01:39] <aukhan> I see, I do not usually upgrade from betas etc - Once final is out, I do a clean install
[01:41] <aukhan> Regardless, my problem is that it seems like libraries are not in gcc's path or something
[01:41] <aukhan> do I need to execute lddconfig or something similar
[01:41] <trism> aukhan: you need to specify the libs after the object files that reference them, so your pkg-config --libs webkit command needs to go after the mybrowser.c file
[01:42] <aukhan> wow - that worked
[01:43] <aukhan> trism - that worked - thank you
[01:43] <trism> aukhan: you're welcome
[01:44] <aukhan> is this a gcc quirk - nothing to do with ubuntu. right?
[01:47] <stone_> qq-- what config file is 12.04b1 using to control the look of the login window?  In 11.10 it was /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf
[01:51] <trism> aukhan: the linking became more strict in oneiric, http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking has an overview, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange also has a bit more detailed discussion about a similar proposed change in fedora
[01:52] <trism> stone_: the unity-greeter settings were moved to dconf, so they aren't really as easy to edit, although I have had success using vendor overrides
[01:52] <aukhan> trism - this is exactly what I was looking for - thanks for the clarification
[01:58] <trism> stone_: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/gsettings-override-2011-07-04-15-45 using /usr/share/glib2.0/schemas/com.canonical.unity-greeter.gschema.xml as a reference for the keys
[01:58] <stone_> thanks trism.  any google keywords that you'd suggest to help guide my way?
[01:58] <stone_> ah, you beat me to it.  awesome
[01:58] <stone_> thanks trism!
[02:01] <trism> stone_: it says to create a package in the last paragraph, but you really just need to copy the gschema.override file to /usr/share/glib2.0/schemas and run sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib2.0/schemas;
[02:03] <stone_> got it
[02:05] <stone_> theres a good chance it'll be turned into a package anyhow, but knowing it can be left scriptable without being part of a package is useful too
[02:05] <stone_> *exactly* what I was looking for
[02:07] <WilsonBradley> :-(
[02:08] <WilsonBradley> :-*Can someone help me remove Speech_dispatcher ? It broke my audio and gives errors at boot :-*
[03:08] <codepal> current status of empathy?
[03:08] <codepal> I had it working, current build seems to be very broke
[03:36] <atpa8a> hmm
[03:37] <atpa8a> why would my laptop lose dns settings once in a while for some short time?
[03:40] <log> codepal: There's something up with dependencies, as I haven't been able to update it/some other packages in the past few days.
[03:48] <vn> um, just burnt precise, any way to have it the server way atm?  I dont want any GUI
[03:49] <atpa8a> vn: there's a download for server
[04:16] <vn> does the default precise install go with a MBR or a GPT?
[04:28] <vn> idk who I was talking with yesterday about my blinking cursor on boot issue...I think maybe snadge but well..just tried 12.04, same behavior
[05:17] <Fyodorovna> Anyone loose the crtl-alt-t=cli
[06:58] <vn> aha, solved my issue...switched HD mode from AHCI to IDE in BIOS
[06:58] <vn> any reason why it wouldn't work with AHCI?
[07:04] <snadge> shouldn't be no
[07:05] <snadge> linux should work either way.. sounds like a kernel bug
[07:05] <snadge> check for bios update i guess
[07:05] <snadge> maybe try a newer kernel failing that.. there is a ppa for ubuntu dev kernels
[07:06] <vn> um...that is the latest precise build.
[07:06] <snadge> yeah its the latest precise kernel.. but not the latest kernel
[07:07] <vn> kinda bleeding edge..
[07:07] <vn> I'll check for bios update even tho' its very recent
[07:08] <snadge> do that first.. but i guess trying a bleeding edge kernel, will help isolate whether its a kernel problem.. and whether it has already been fixed
[07:08] <snadge> its a fairly trivial thing to do also
[07:08] <vn> something doable from apt-get?
[07:08] <vn> havent been touching a kernel since redhat 5.2
[07:11] <snadge> i did have one bookmarked but im out and abotu at the moment
[07:11] <vn> ok, can you PM when you can?
[07:11] <vn> +it
[07:12] <snadge> found it
[07:12] <snadge> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[07:12] <snadge> 3.3rc7 i guess
[07:14] <snadge> download either the i386 or amd64 depending on what you're running.. and dpkg -i linux-*3.3.0-030300rc7*.deb
[07:15] <vn> <ok thanks but after thinking about it...its not the kernel loading that was a problem, but grub's loading
[07:15] <vn> is that still related?
[07:16] <snadge> thats a point.. if it didnt even start to boot the kernel.. then its a grub issue
[07:16] <snadge> and/or bios related
[07:17] <snadge> did it get as far as loading grub? or just complain about a missing OS
[07:17] <alkisg> To change the UI language one is supposed to use gnome-language-selector, right? But "Greek" (which is the system language and it shows up as installed and it was working fine so far) is grayed out...
[07:17] <alkisg> So what can I do to change my UI language?
[07:17] <vn> blinking cursor, no grub menu loading possible, even with some edition of /etc/default/grub
[07:18] <snadge> i dont think the Greek language is going to get enabled, until greece has paid their debt
[07:18] <alkisg> Haha, then German should have been disabled since 1945 :)
[07:18] <alkisg> They've yet to pay their debt to us
[07:20] <vn> 1945? that'd be RDA or RFA
[07:20] <snadge> lol so let me get this straight.. germany owes greece money, but they havn't paid that
[07:21] <snadge> and yet they will lend money
[07:21] <snadge> as long as severe austerity measures are in place
[07:21] <alkisg> snadge: yes, please google about it and let me continue doing what I came here for
[07:21] <alkisg> I don't have time for idle chat with people that don't even google before deciding about countries
[07:22] <snadge> you speak english pretty well though.. just use that ;)
[07:22] <vn> ^
[07:22] <alkisg> OK, thank you for your advice, now if someone can verify that there's a major bug in gnome-language-selector...
[07:23] <snadge> ok.. why not
[07:23] <vn> snadge: if it was a bios issue, would it work in w7 or freevms?
[07:24] <snadge> alkisg: i selected greek and its now installing
[07:25] <vn> so they paid?
[07:25] <snadge> i guess its only greeks that arn't allowed to install greek language.. works fine for this australian ;)
[07:25] <alkisg> snadge: ok, but I already had it installed, the problem is that I'm not allowed to select it in the dialog
[07:25] <snadge> ok its installing.. i'll see if i can select it
[07:26] <snadge> the problem is if i change it to greek, i wont know how to change it back to english
[07:26] <vn> get google translator ready
[07:26] <snadge> vn: did you switch to ahci after installing ubuntu.. or before?
[07:27] <snadge> my guess is.. if grub wont load, chances are.. windows may not load either
[07:27] <alkisg> snadge: alt+ctrl+t gives you a terminal, and from there run LANG=en_US.UTF-8 gnome-language-selector
[07:28] <vn> snadge: it was set to ahci and I was trying desesperately to get it to boot after install, tried from jaunty to precise
[07:28] <vn> then I fiddled with bios settings and BANG, it was that one
[07:29] <snadge> seems odd to me.. check for a newer bios version
[07:33] <vn> I got the latest.
[07:33] <snadge> google for your motherboard and cant load grub and variations of that
[07:34] <snadge> see if you can find other people who have that issue
[07:34] <snadge> and ahci
[07:35] <snadge> alkisg: it was also greyed out here.. but i can drag it above english
[07:35] <snadge> and it becomes non greyed out
[07:36] <alkisg> snadge: ah, drag 'n' drop, I didn't think about that... thank you, let me try it...
[07:37] <snadge> it says.. every entry below "English" will be ignored
[07:38] <snadge> obviously english is the default.. if no translations are available
[07:38] <snadge> and it tries them in the order you specify, continuing if there are no translations for that preference
[07:39] <snadge> uninstalling greek ;)
[07:39] <alkisg> Thank you snadge, I'll logout to see if that's working. If that's by design though, the drag 'n' drop method is not intuitive, and also I don't know when it decided that greek was my second language (have 12.04 since before Christmas...)
[07:42] <snadge> i guess they changed it
[07:42] <vn> no luck so far on my issue...gotta sleep for now but in the meanwhile found a very interesting link...custom-made ESXi build for my setup :D
[07:42] <snadge> its only really an issue for people who install in english, and want to change it to something else afterwards
[07:42] <alkisg> snadge: I installed in greek
[07:43] <vn> I meant for ahci thingy
[07:43] <snadge> presumably if you installed in greek now.. it wouldn't have that problem.. they've updated the language stuff, and its defaulted back to english.. for whatever reason.. annoying, but not really a bug as such.. unless updating from 11.10, reverts to english
[07:44] <snadge> that might upset a few foreigners ;)
[07:45] <alkisg> Hope that's what it is, it wouldn't be a big problem then, just a bad interface (the drag 'n' drop thing, up+down arrows would be a hint to the user)
[07:58] <alkisg> Hmmm after reboot it didn't work, with logout it did. Now my .dmrc contains Language=el_GR.utf8 instead of Language=el_GR.UTF-8. That "utf8" vs "UTF-8" problem happened in 10.04 too :-/
[07:59] <alkisg> (with other symptoms, serious again)
[08:04] <alkisg> Alt+Ctrl+T doesn't launch a terminal for me... Using gnome-shell, and "Alt+Ctrl+T" is properly assigned to "Launch a terminal" in the keyboard properties of gnome-control-center. Any idea why?
[08:07] <alkisg> Oh and I can't type Greek now. Great, same story as in 10.04 with the switch to gdm2. :-/
[08:24] <snadge> sounds like a gnome issue
[08:24] <snadge> lightdm is anti greek ;)
[08:25] <snadge> might be best to hang out in here.. someone who deals with the language stuff might be able to fix it
[08:25] <snadge> if not.. open up a launchpad issue and wait 50 years for it to maybe get fixed ;)
[08:26] <snadge> you obviously have a workaround for it.. which is good, for you.. but yeah.. its not fixed
[08:26] <snadge> can you select language in lightdm?
[08:28] <alkisg> snadge: lightdm refused to integrate language selection
[08:28] <alkisg> It should be done inside the session, it claims
[08:29] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/666565
[08:29] <snadge> you're obviously aware of that issue.. its still not listed as "closed" though
[08:30] <snadge> set to "wontfix" because its apparently a glibc issue
[08:30] <snadge> typical example of something broken in ubuntu.. thats still broken ;)
[08:32] <alkisg> They've reached the same won'tfix decision 2 years ago
[08:32] <alkisg> Then they saw that they were wrong and switched back to UTF-8
[08:32] <alkisg> And now the same issue again and again :(
[08:32] <alkisg> It becomes tiring after a few releases, to have the same issues solved + reappearing in the next release
[08:45] <alkisg> And still `setupcon` isn't called for text consoles, after many many bug reports and patches submitted :-/
[08:46] <fre3bird> i have an ALC892 soundcard that is not being recognized by pangolin beta.  can anyone lend a hand ?
[09:00] <fre3bird> is alc 892 supported in a fully updated pangolin ?
[09:00] <fre3bird> it had worked previously in 11.10 then it stopped working for no reason at all.
[09:01] <alkisg> fre3bird: what's its pci id?
[09:01] <alkisg> lspci -nn -k will tell you
[09:01] <fre3bird> one second
[09:01] <alkisg> Or just check "kernel drivers in use" there
[09:01] <alkisg> If it's using a kernel driver, it's supposedly supported
[09:02] <alkisg> If it's not, you might be missing a module
[09:02] <fre3bird> 00:1b.0
[09:02] <alkisg> Something like : [197b:2381]
[09:02] <fre3bird> [8086:1c20] (rev 05)
[09:02] <alkisg> Right
[09:02] <alkisg> And kernel drivers in use?
[09:02] <fre3bird> unsure what that means
[09:03] <alkisg> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:293e] (rev 03)
[09:03] <alkisg> 	Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer Device [1558:072f]
[09:03] <alkisg> 	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
[09:03] <alkisg> That last line there
[09:03] <alkisg> "Kernel drivers in use"
[09:03] <alkisg> Do you see that line?
[09:03] <alkisg> $ grep 1c20 /lib/modules/3.2.0-18-generic-pae/modules.pcimap
[09:03] <alkisg> snd-hda-intel        0x00008086 0x00001c20 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0
[09:04] <alkisg> So yeah your card is supposedly supported by the snd-hda-intel  module
[09:04] <alkisg> Can't you see the outputs with alsamixer?
[09:04] <fre3bird> not for that device
[09:05] <fre3bird> there is no alsamixer in my pangolin beta updated fully
[09:05] <alkisg> There's no /usr/bin/alsamixer?
[09:06] <fre3bird> nope
[09:06] <alkisg> Hmm weird, $ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/alsamixer
[09:06] <alkisg> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/sbin/alsamixer.
[09:06] <alkisg> Ah sorry typo: $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/alsamixer
[09:06] <alkisg> alsa-utils: /usr/bin/alsamixer
[09:06] <alkisg> OK, install alsa-utils then
[09:06] <alkisg> Just to check if it alsa can see your card
[09:06] <fre3bird> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/sbin/alsamixer.
[09:06] <alkisg> Not sbin, bin
[09:07] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[09:07] <fre3bird> no such file or directory
[09:07] <fre3bird> will do
[09:08] <fre3bird> has newest version
[09:08] <alkisg> Err you have alsa-utils but not alsamixer?
[09:08] <alkisg> Check for typos, you're doing something wrong
[09:08] <fre3bird> that is correct
[09:09] <alkisg> Just type: alsamixer
[09:09] <alkisg> What does it say?
[09:09] <fre3bird> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[09:09] <alkisg> So you do have that
[09:09] <fre3bird> updatedb locate alsamixer ?
[09:09] <alkisg> No
[09:10] <alkisg> There's no need to locate it, you already ran it
[09:10] <snadge> unity works quite nicely on a crappy atom netbook with 1024x600 resolution ;)
[09:10] <fre3bird> it has never run
[09:10] <alkisg> fre3bird: you already run alsamixer and it said: (11:09:22 πμ) fre3bird: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[09:10] <alkisg> We don't care about updatedb, just about the output of alsamixer
[09:10] <alkisg> Which tells us that alsa doesn't see your card
[09:10] <fre3bird> ok
[09:10] <fre3bird> ok
[09:11] <alkisg> Now, you didn't answer the question about the "kernel drivers in use" above
[09:11] <alkisg> Let me ask it again:
[09:11] <fre3bird> kernel drivers were not in use
[09:11] <alkisg> Ah, ok
[09:11] <alkisg> Now try: lsmod|grep snd_hda_intel
[09:11] <alkisg> Do you see any output?
[09:13] <fre3bird> may i paste 6 lines ?
[09:13] <alkisg> I don't see traffic in the channel, so go ahead as far as I'm concerned
[09:13] <fre3bird> snd_hda_intel          33773  0
[09:13] <fre3bird> snd_hda_codec         127669  1 snd_hda_intel
[09:13] <fre3bird> snd_pcm                97188  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
[09:13] <fre3bird> snd                    78855  8 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[09:13] <fre3bird> snd_page_alloc         18529  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
[09:14] <alkisg> So to sum up, your kernel supports your card, the driver is loaded, and yet it's not in use?!
[09:14] <fre3bird> i cannot figure that out.
[09:15] <alkisg> Paste the output of this command, to verify it:    lspci -nn -k | grep -A3 Audio
[09:15] <fre3bird> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1c20] (rev 05)
[09:15] <fre3bird> 	Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
[09:15] <fre3bird> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 [8086:1c10] (rev b5)
[09:15] <fre3bird> 	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[09:16] <fre3bird> and volume mixer in pangolin doesn't see it
[09:16] <alkisg> No wonder, if the driver is not in use
[09:16] <alkisg> What's the output of uname -r  ?
[09:16] <fre3bird> is it possible to fix ?
[09:17] <fre3bird> 3.2.0-18-generic
[09:17] <alkisg> And the output of this?   grep 1c20 /lib/modules/3.2.0-18-generic/modules.pcimap
[09:18] <fre3bird> snd-hda-intel        0x00008086 0x00001c20 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0
[09:19] <alkisg> OK, I don't know what's wrong. Your kernel supports the card, the driver is loaded, but not in use. Maybe `dmesg` has some info about what goes wrong, but I don't think I know enough to help you.
[09:19] <fre3bird> your an expert sound debugger but i am clueless
[09:19] <fre3bird> thank you
[09:19] <alkisg> You're welcome
[09:19] <fre3bird> i appreicate all you have tried to help me with
[09:20] <alkisg> You could also file a bug in launchpad about it, sounds like one
[09:20] <fre3bird> ok
[09:20] <fre3bird> it also applies to 11.10 but it used to work just fine
[10:25] <trippeh> Hmm. It would be nice if the network manager split dns stuff in Precise would work with not just vpn, but ethernet too.
[10:57] <UrB> well that was weird, laptop crashed and after reboot language was chinese
[10:58] <UrB> and now it still insists listing zh_CN.utf8 & zh_SG.utf8 in the locales
[10:59] <Logi> I'm having a problem with python-numpy on 12.04 updated today. This import line from a setup.py script for netcdf4-python fails: "from numpy.distutils.core  import setup, Extension", and it worked nicely on debian testing, ubuntu 11.10 and an earlier update of 12.04
[11:00] <Logi> I'm beginning to think that something went wrong in the python packages recently?
[11:03] <tokarbol> I need some help to find the cause of bug #956848
[11:03] <Logi> If I add "/usr/share/pyshared" to PYTHONPATH, then that import is OK, but it complains "ImportError: No module named multiarray" on an import in "/usr/share/pyshared/numpy/core/__init__.py"
[11:05] <tokarbol> it's like my homedir should be created when I use pam_mkhomedir.so, right?
[11:06] <tokarbol> actually should I put there that it affects pam?
[11:06] <tokarbol> I am also a bit suspicious as of dbus behaviour with other things.
[11:07] <tokarbol> Does anybody know if there is something really wrong(TM) going on with it?
[11:18] <topyli> i wonder if it's possible to start evolution mail and calendar in express mode by default
[11:18] <topyli> especially the calendar, as started from the gnome shell's clock applet
[11:23] <trippeh> UrB: I rebooted today and it turned norwegian ;)
[12:30] <Logi> So, my ramblings from earlier about python-numpy have become #956901
[12:39] <UrB> trippeh: seriously speaking, little googling revealed this has happened before to others - slight irritating as the language choice is then in chinese too
[12:39] <UrB> +ly
[12:41] <UrB> http://ubuntu.5.n6.nabble.com/ubuntu-got-set-in-some-unknown-asian-language-td4358136.html - not sure what triggered my chinese excursion :)
[12:41] <UrB> only had english and finnish languages installed
[12:51] <Logi> I ended up installing python-numpy_1.6.1-5_amd64.deb from debian/exprimental and stuff works again.
[13:08] <dsdale> Morning folks. Lately when I do an "apt-get dist-upgrade", apt-get downloads, unpacks and prepares the updates, but when it begins setting up packages, it exits with a message like "Errors were encountered while processing nux-tools_2.6.0-0ubuntu1.amd64". I can do "dpkg --configure -a" to recover, but I have to run it every time I do an upgrade. Any ideas what may be wrong, and how to fix it?
[13:28] <cordoval> hi how to upgrade, is it dangerous?
[13:28] <cordoval> i need git latest version
[14:08] <dave1010> can I update from 11.04 directly to 12.04? "update-manager-d" is only showing 11.10
[14:09] <genii-around> dave1010: You can only skip intermediate releases if you are going LTS->LTS
[14:09] <dave1010> ah, ok. thanks genii-around
[14:10] <genii-around> dave1010: No prob
[14:10] <arand> However this is usually not enabled until some time after release, I think
[14:10] <dave1010> ok. I'll update to 11.10, then 12.04 I guess
[14:45] <neyder_> hi! installing 40+ precise machines in a school, i crazy i know!
[14:45] <neyder_> i'm crazy ...
[14:49] <Daekdroom> neyder_, too crazy.
[14:49] <Daekdroom> Are they going to need those machines anytime before Precise is released?
[14:52] <neyder_> yes, because school year has started two weeks ago, and i have a mixed panorama with windows, lucid, fedora, maverick. a crazyness!  so i'll prepare a long two year deployement with this beta installation. i hope you can help me when is possible
[15:10] <hifi> Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:1561:14: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
[15:10] <hifi> my gtk theme is incompatible with gtk3 or something?
[15:13] <zniavre> hifi you should rewrite it keep an eyes on ambiance theme or adwaita to see the diffs
[15:13] <hifi> what package had the ambiance theme?
[15:13] <hifi> I don't really mind switching my gtk theme as long as I can see something again
[15:14] <hifi> right, light-themes
[15:14] <hifi> aptitude didn't catch it when searching for ambiance
[15:25] <wcchandler> anybody failing to fetch libgl1-mesa-glx?  Just getting connection failed when updating
[15:27] <hifi> woo, got it working
[15:28] <hifi> next challenge is to configure pulseaudio correctly
[15:43] <encrypt> hi, ive been without wireless for a while, Networkm
[15:44] <encrypt> NetworkManager is not working, and when opening Network in gnome-control-services a dialog pops up saying that network services are not compatible with this version
[15:48] <encrypt> can anybody pls assist..
[15:49] <spacebug-> encrypt: seems like you haven't got alla packages updated or something
[15:49] <spacebug-> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:50] <encrypt> how to run an upgrade without wireless...
[15:50] <encrypt> dont have wired connection, have tried with iwconfig commands, with no luck so far
[15:51] <encrypt> now working with the live-usb!!
[15:52] <encrypt> btw, is there a way to upgrade packages from the live version?
[15:52] <spacebug-> hum..
[15:53] <encrypt> mounting the partition and logging in as root, then try to update from cli??
[15:53] <spacebug-> well you need internet connection to be able to upgrade or a cd-image from internet with upgrades
[15:55] <encrypt> i have internet connection, but dont have access from the mounted distro, (cause Nm is not working)
[15:55] <encrypt> in other words, im using a network i hacked whose owner doesnt care about its security
[15:56] <spacebug-> you could do: sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>    (if your on that network for example)
[15:56] <spacebug-> and eth0 is your device :P
[15:56] <encrypt> for a wep network?
[15:57] <encrypt> wlan1, but that applies the same
[15:57] <encrypt> its usb wireless
[15:58] <spacebug-> oh I was thinking about if you had a wired also
[15:58] <spacebug-> only wireless?
[15:59] <spacebug-> you could boot from a live cd that is compatible with your wireless if you have that, then download latest dayly build image or the beta 1 and use that to install
[16:00] <spacebug-> or if you have aother computer that has connecntion that you could use to get the image
[16:01] <encrypt> the usb wireless been working fine since i acquired it, fully compatible, all this started with upgrading with 12.04
[16:01] <spacebug-> ok
[16:02] <encrypt> i have another distro in a separate partition, but dont wanna let the ubuntu one hanged in the middle of nowhere
[16:03] <encrypt> format the partition??
[16:03] <spacebug-> what does NetworkManager --version give you?
[16:06] <encrypt> cant check it right now as im using the live version, but apparently is working (its got an id when i run it) but not showing any network
[16:06] <spacebug-> ok
[16:06] <encrypt> and the applet not showing either
[16:06] <spacebug-> you could run it with --log-level=INFO or DEBUG to get more info about what is happening
[16:07] <encrypt> ok
[16:11] <encrypt> how can i create a text in terminal in a specific folder, with cat?
[16:12] <itaylor57> encrypt, cat <file> > /path/to/dir/somefile.txt
[16:12] <encrypt> yep, thats what i asked thanks
[16:13] <itaylor57> encrypt, could do the same using mv file /path/to/dir
[16:13] <itaylor57> encrypt, could do the same using mv file /path/to/dir/newfilename
[16:15] <encrypt> itaylor and then writing the text after executing the command? cat is more useful for this i guess, just want to write down some commands to later access them
[16:18] <Walther> Hmm. Somehow I can't get audio anymore through my Xonar
[16:18] <Walther> lspci shos the device but sound settings doesn't
[16:20] <spacebug-> encrypt: you can use echo if you dont have an editor. echo "my little command row" >> myfile
[16:20] <spacebug-> encrypt: you can use echo if you dont have an editor. echo "my next command" >> myfile
[16:20] <itaylor57> spacebug-, thanks i was about to say that
[16:21] <encrypt> cli is faster than firing up gedit or whatever!
[16:22] <Walther> nano <3
[16:23] <Walther> WARNING:softwarecenter.db.update:The file: '/usr/share/app-install/desktop/kde-telepathy-send-file:kde4__ktp-send-file.desktop' could not be read correctly. The application associated with this file will not be included in the software catalog. Please consider raising a bug report for this issue with the maintainer of that application
[16:23] <Walther> Interesting.
[16:24] <encrypt> gonna check this thing and will be back - im also impressed how fast is the live version!
[16:57] <aboSamoor> can anyone help me with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/953714?
[17:18] <ccmonster> hey guys, went to 12.04 yesterday, everything was fine. Today did a sudo apt-get update and things went awry
[17:25] <encrypt> scpacebug-
[17:26] <encrypt> spacebug-: no luck with all the checkings, the issue is with nm-applet, networkmanager shows no error
[17:27] <encrypt> pls some help with an internet connection issue, otherwise will have to format the partition cause cant run any upgrade!
[17:27] <spacebug-> encrypt: hum ok
[17:28] <encrypt> spacebug- this is the output of some commands
[17:28] <encrypt> sudo NetworkManager --log-level=DEBUG
[17:28] <encrypt> NetworkManager is already running (pid 941)
[17:29] <encrypt> NetworkManager --version <IP_ADDRESS>5
[17:29] <spacebug-> you have to kill that instance first
[17:29] <spacebug-> ok same version as I have
[17:29] <encrypt> and is always running in the background
[17:30] <encrypt> the issue comes when i run nm-applet, have checked with gconf-editor and the box is checked (to show it as an indicator
[17:31] <spacebug-> hum
[17:32] <encrypt> it says some bluff about px deprecated with non-sense gtk and what not (when running nm-applet)
[17:32] <spacebug-> nm-applet runs nice here so I'm not sure what has happend to your machine
[17:34] <encrypt> don't know if this comes from running several desktop packages (ubuntu-desktop on top of xubuntu 11-10 upgraded to 12.04)
[17:34] <encrypt> anyway..
[17:35] <encrypt> only hope left is iwconfig
[17:35] <zorael> Does GNOME3 or Unity reparse .desktop files upon merely opening the applications menus?
[17:37] <encrypt> spacebug-: can u pls pls provide some CLI to connect to a wireless network with WEP encryption with iwconfig??
[17:37] <encrypt> have gathered all this info about the network:
[17:37] <spacebug-> encrypt: sorry that is more than I know :/
[17:37] <encrypt> Address: 00:18:39:8E:6F:7A
[17:37] <encrypt> Channel:6
[17:37] <encrypt> Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
[17:37] <encrypt> Quality=35/70  Signal level=-75 dBm
[17:37] <encrypt> Encryption key:on
[17:37] <encrypt> ESSID:"ALBIR"
[17:37] <encrypt> Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s
[17:37] <encrypt> Bit Rates:6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s
[17:37] <encrypt>           36 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
[17:37] <spacebug-> for wireless I have only used nm-applet
[17:38] <encrypt> no worries
[17:39] <spacebug-> that though should be planty of people knowing in #ubuntu since that is not 12.04 specific
[17:40] <encrypt> ok, will take a last shot before re-installing
[18:00] <jbwiv> anyone know of an alternative launcher/dock/etc which will work with Ubuntu2D?
[18:00] <spacebug-> cairo-dock
[18:01] <spacebug-> can be run both with and without 3d-support
[18:03] <jbwiv> spacebug-, great. thanks
[18:03] <spacebug-> yw
[18:03] <Belial`> anyone having problems with ayatana scrollbars in 12.04?
[18:04] <Belial`> like, not being able to grab them. they seem to disappear when you mouse over them.
[18:04] <spacebug-> is that the overlaying ones?
[18:05] <Belial`> yeah, overlay
[18:05] <Belial`> it only seems to do it on gtk3 apps.
[18:05] <Belial`> gtk2 apps are working fine.
[18:06] <spacebug-> have not tried that enough and currently I'm running gnome-fallback session so can't test either
[18:06] <spacebug-> can test later on my laptop running 12.04 also
[18:07] <Belial`> ok
[18:07] <Belial`> there's also some graphical glitches in the dashboard.
[18:08] <Belial`> and if you're running the top panel with transparency, there seems to be some glitches after a recent update.
[18:08] <Belial`> those are some things i've noticed so far.
[18:08] <spacebug-> hum ok..
[18:08] <spacebug-> *starting up my laptop*
[18:09] <genii-around> < imagines the whine of a jet engine when spacebug- does that >
[18:09] <spacebug-> probably have to update the laptop first also.. was a few days since I last had it running
[18:09] <spacebug-> hahaha
[18:10] <Belial`> before you update it, check the dash
[18:10] <spacebug-> ok
[18:10] <Belial`> and then do the update
[18:10] <Belial`> it should happen afterwards.
[18:11] <spacebug-> nothing strange so far with dash or scrollbars..updating now..
[18:31] <spacebug-> ok Belial` it's upp and running. No problems here though
[18:31] <Belial`> odd
[18:32] <spacebug-> there has not been any updates to your graphic card?
[18:32] <spacebug-> should not have anything to do with the scrollbars though but maybe that flicker you had or what ever
[18:34] <Belial`> not that i've noticed.
[18:34] <Belial`> i do know it didn't happen when i first installed 12.04 beta 1.
[18:34] <Belial`> after a round of updates yesterday, or the day before, i can't remember, but that's when it started.
[18:35] <Belial`> the scrollbars have been acting up since i installed the beta 1 iso
[18:47] <Guest4059> hey guys, i accidently had 'proposed' checked and did an update, things went wacky. I removed 'proposed', went to re-update and now I'm getting a failed update with a 'hash sum' mismatch
[18:48] <Daekdroom> Guest4059, 'proposed' doesn't contain any updates during the development phase.
[18:48] <Guest4059> so when I do a sudo apt-get update this morning, when 'proposed' was checked, there were 100+ updates
[18:49] <iceroot> Guest4059: proposed is a bad idea
[18:49] <Daekdroom> There tends to be a lot of updates during alpha and beta.
[18:49] <iceroot> Guest4059: specially for 12.04
[18:49] <Daekdroom> iceroot, regardless, there is no packages in proposed.
[18:49] <Guest4059> yea, that's what I realized because everything started going wacky
[18:50] <topyli> oh yay the vlc browser plugin has arrived
[18:50] <Guest4059> when I unchecked proposed, there were then again, about 100+ packages that wanted to re download/update
[18:50] <Daekdroom> Or atleast there shouldn't be, given we're during development, so updates don't need to be tested before.
[18:50] <Daekdroom> Because Beta is for testing.
[18:50] <Guest4059> that's when the failed hash sum mismatch occurred
[18:51] <Guest4059> any way to get past my hash sum mis match and get those 100 packaged installed
[18:52] <Guest4059> W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_binary-amd64_Packages
[18:57] <bhb192> I'm having issues with dconf, is anybody available to help?
[18:59] <valdur55> !help > bhb192
[19:03] <bhb192> Several keys in the gsettings schema org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys are not being recognized by glib/gsettings, but are visible in dconf-editor. How can I get gsettings to recognize these keys so that gnome-settings-daemon can use them?
[19:04] <bhb192> !patience
[19:07] <topyli> i'm also having trouble with keyboard shortcuts, but haven't yet been bothered enough to look at it closely
[19:07] <bhb192> Is it causing your gnome-settings-daemon to crash?
[19:10] <Guest4059> should precise unsupported be checked in synaptic?
[19:14] <bhb192> Do you mean in software sources?
[19:16] <jbicha> topyli: currently in Precise, System Settings' keyboard shortcuts panel only sets gconf keys but GNOME Shell only listens to gsettings
[19:25] <topyli> jbicha: ahh that explains it. i'll do it properly then, and all is good. thanks :)
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:28] <captbunzo> hello folks. I've just installed the 12.04 beta and have a few questions
[20:29] <captbunzo> first, the unity-greeter seems to be ignoring the setting in the config file to change the desktop background. perhaps am I missing something?
[20:31] <jbicha> captbunzo: just a guess, but I'd try com.canonical.unity-greeter in dconf-editor
[20:31] <trism> captbunzo: the unity-greeter settings have moved to gsettings, so you need to use vendor overrides or somehow modify the settings in dconf for lightdm
[20:32] <captbunzo> ok. I'll look into that. thanks :)
[20:32] <jbicha> ah, overrides, that's fun
[20:32] <captbunzo> next question... I have two monitors and seem to get the dash bar on the left side of both.
[20:32] <captbunzo> any way to configure that for just one monitor?
[20:33] <captbunzo> I should note I only got 1 in 11.10
[20:33] <trism> captbunzo: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/gsettings-override-2011-07-04-15-45 walks you through the first option, I haven't found a good way to work out the second option
[20:34] <captbunzo> is it fine to change the values via dconf-editor?
[20:35] <jbicha> captbunzo: like trism said, that probably won't do any good for unity-greeter since it's not running as your account
[20:35] <captbunzo> ah. I getcha
[20:35] <jbicha> captbunzo: the launcher is on the left of all monitors and that isn't currently configurable, it's a Feature
[20:35] <captbunzo> lol
[20:36] <captbunzo> I tried my other Feature tweak, which was to disable the menuproxy. that seemed to make things go wrong.
[20:36] <captbunzo> the system tray icons on the right side of the top bar disappeared.
[20:37] <jussi> glosoli: icon task manager is in 12.04, yes
[20:38] <jussi> glosoli: mind, smooth tasks is kind of similar and is in the older versions also
[20:38] <FernandoMiguel> captbunzo: also look at ccsm
[20:38] <captbunzo> also, the launcher doesn't seem to auto-hide any more when I have an app full screen. is that another Feature?
[20:38] <captbunzo> cheers FernandoMiguel
[20:38] <glosoli> jussi, hmm ok :)
[20:41] <jbicha> captbunzo: yes, but that's configurable in System Settings>Appearance>Behavior
[20:41] <captbunzo> out of curiosity, what do you guys think of the default background for the unity greeter?
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> meh
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> but I have auto login and boot in 8 sec
[20:44] <captbunzo> I think it's pretty horrid...
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> so I don't stand there a lot of time
[20:45] <captbunzo> there are a nice collection of backgrounds in the distribution and that's the one?
[20:45] <captbunzo> but yeah, I don't stay there long either
[20:45] <FernandoMiguel> I love my desktop wallpapre
[20:45] <FernandoMiguel> and its from the pack
[20:46] <captbunzo> which one do you use?
[20:47] <captbunzo> ah... appearance setting... auto-hide the launcher :)
[20:48] <FernandoMiguel> the grass one with the lake
[20:48] <FernandoMiguel> and at work I have the digital cubic lion
[20:48] <captbunzo> nice. there are some great ones in the pack.
[20:48] <captbunzo> I'm not a fan of the second, though.
[20:48] <captbunzo> I'm using a rather plain, but pretty, blue vertical lines one now (from the pack)
[20:52] <captbunzo> hmmnn.. that was a fail.
[20:53] <captbunzo> ah... strings must be quoted
[20:58] <captbunzo> nice. got my login screen customised :)
[20:59] <captbunzo> anyone know much about UBUNTU_MENUPROXY?
[20:59] <captbunzo> in 11.10 I could set that to 0 to get an app to nicely put it's menus in the right place....
[20:59] <captbunzo> urm, I mean to keep the menus with the app instead of sticking them all up in the top bar.
[21:00] <captbunzo> but when I tried that with 12.04 it made all the icons in the "system tray" disappear (i.e. the sound one, network one, logout one, etc)
[21:00] <captbunzo> any thoughts?
[21:01] <captbunzo> ah, existing reported bug.
[21:05] <Guest97370> my 12.04 system is shaky today after an update, and now when I try to update im getting an error saying it cant fetch a package
[21:07] <Guest97370> Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[21:07] <Guest97370> Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[21:07] <Guest97370> what can I do to get it all figured out.
[21:10] <captbunzo> nice ... menus back in the right place by removing the indicator-appmenu package :)
[21:11] <spacebug-> was just about to write that hehe
[21:13] <captbunzo> don't get me wrong, I love ubuntu :)
[21:13] <captbunzo> but I completely fail to understand how moving the menu for an app AWAY from the app could get past usability considerations.
[21:13] <spacebug-> first thing I do also is to remove that package
[21:14] <spacebug-> I could maybe understand for small screens like tablets but not for desktops
[21:15] <st1> because it's easier to throw mouse pointer to the edge of the screen instead of focus to a tiny menu bar?
[21:15] <captbunzo> except you still have to aim
[21:15] <captbunzo> i.e. at a specific menu
[21:16] <captbunzo> lol.... chrome needs a unity theme :)
[21:16] <st1> easier to aim when I don't have to confine myself to 18px height
[21:16] <spacebug-> st1: on my  2560x1600 pixels monitor having piding to the right, having to click the app to get it in front then move the mouse all the way to the top left of screen to get add user menu.. that is insane
[21:16] <spacebug-> ;)
[21:17] <spacebug-> pidgin*
[21:17] <captbunzo> yep spacebug. I'm right there. I've got two 22 inch monitors, each 1920x1080. I just want the darn menu to be in the right place! :)
[21:18] <st1> spacebug-:  I don't know your window placement though :)  I just mean I can see why it's useful
[21:18] <spacebug-> captbunzo: its even crazyer on this 30" I tell you hehe
[21:18] <spacebug-> st1: hehe ok
[21:18] <captbunzo> indeed. I can imagine :)
[21:18] <st1> anyone else having that update problem?
[21:19]  * captbunzo needs to find a way to grow his boot partition
[21:21] <spacebug-> I know a freeware windows app that can do that but not sure about linux apps
[21:21] <captbunzo> I am sure I can sort it eventually.
[21:21] <captbunzo> I installed BURG and it's taken up a bit too much space.
[21:21] <spacebug-> BURG?
[21:21] <captbunzo> prettier then grub though.
[21:21] <captbunzo> yeah, it's a wrapper for grub that.... isn't ugly :)
[21:25] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys ... using kubuntu 12.04 here ... bluetooth seems to be on but not working ( no send or recieve or even seen on other devices ) ... any help ?
[21:27] <spacebug-> not using kubuntu or any blutooth device but have it been working in 11.10 ?
[21:27] <cobra-the-joker> spacebug-: nope
[21:27] <spacebug-> oh
[21:28] <spacebug-> you might find something in /var/log/syslog or with the command dmesg
[21:29] <st1> where is the infograph showing how many bugs fixed and waiting to be? I remember seeing one in december
[21:29] <spacebug-> there is a graph about that? ^^
[21:30] <st1> I think I saw that on reddit
[21:31] <st1> someone even mentioned development being slow because thanksgiving and christmas
[21:34] <cobra-the-joker> spacebug-: http://paste.org/46908 ... tahts the output of "cat /var/log/syslog | grep blue"
[21:37] <spacebug-> seems like it is up and running ..
[21:38] <cobra-the-joker> spacebug-: hmmm then ?
[21:38] <spacebug-> donno
[22:12] <spacebug-> I wounder how many bugs will be fixed for the final release
[22:15] <DropsOfSerenity> i can't press alt tab anymore, or alt-f2 why not?
[22:17] <spacebug-> I also got that after en update
[22:17] <spacebug-> and other stuff
[22:18] <ironhalik> DropsOfSerenity: did you fiddle with CCSM, and the hud shortcut somehow?
[22:19] <DropsOfSerenity> ironhalik, yeah i changed the hud shortcut to F! because it was interfering with a fullscreen game
[22:19] <DropsOfSerenity> F1
[22:29] <spacebug-> back again.. now who did I just talk to about alt+tab ?
[22:33] <spacebug-> anyhow I filed a new bug about the alt+tab not working. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/957489  press affect me if it does
[22:38] <DropsOfSerenity> spacebug-, it works when hud is assigned to alt
[22:38] <DropsOfSerenity> spacebug-, doesn't work when i change it
[22:38] <DropsOfSerenity> the problem with hud being assigned to alt, is that in fullscreen applications or games, shortcuts requiring the alt key will not work
[22:38] <spacebug-> I have also disabled alt for HUD
[22:39] <spacebug-> maybe I should but that in the bug report
[22:40] <spacebug-> so there
[22:45] <spacebug-> DropsOfSerenity: not the bugreport is what it should?
[22:45] <spacebug-> now*
[22:45] <DropsOfSerenity> spacebug-, i'll check it out in a sec.
[22:45] <spacebug-> ok
[23:08] <MaximLevitsky> I need your help!
[23:09] <MaximLevitsky> I just did an update (last update was about week ago) and I got package problem that I suspect will render my system unusable
[23:11] <MaximLevitsky> First I got this: http://pastebin.com/hDL4qK6a
[23:12] <MaximLevitsky> I don't know what is inside these packages exactly, but its bound to be glibc related...
[23:12] <spacebug-> try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> Now, apt-get -f install dies with this: E: Internal Error, No file name for libc6
[23:13] <spacebug-> what are you trying to upgrade from?
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> 12.04, slightly older version
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> I already use it for long time
[23:14] <spacebug-> oh
[23:14] <spacebug-> well try updating again
[23:15] <spacebug-> I have also got dependencies problems some times.. later on they haveuploaded the new packages to the server and everything is good
[23:15] <MaximLevitsky> Yep, its known
[23:15] <jtaylor> you can also try to install the libc-bin directly with dpkg
[23:16] <MaximLevitsky> sudo apt-get upgrade -f appears to work
[23:23] <KM0201> man, this is driving me crazy... i'm trying to set up forked-daapd.conf.. it starts and stops fine, but it never sees my share... the directory is RIGHT.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/887096/
[23:27] <KM0201> weird.. i must have started/stopped forked-daapd 20x, but i just rebooted the server, and it's working fine now.
[23:28] <itaylor57> KM0201, i was just about to take a look lol
[23:28] <KM0201> lol
[23:28] <KM0201> ok, well, now thats done, i gotta get ready for work
[23:29] <KM0201> see ya'll later
[23:29] <WilsonBradley> work?
[23:29] <WilsonBradley> LAte shift :-(
[23:43] <Pru> Does anyone know why Flash wont work on Facebook?
[23:44] <Pru> Similar to this screenshot - http://askubuntu.com/questions/16732/facebook-and-flash-why-doesnt-facebook-recognise-that-i-have-flash-installed
[23:56] <mylenthes> Hello
[23:57] <spacebug-> hi
[23:57] <spacebug-> Pricey: do you have flashplugin-installer installed?
[23:57] <Pricey> spacebug-: WHy do you ask?


[00:11] <zett> anyone how to change neofetch art?
[00:19] <Matt|home> alright. this is a little infuriating. im running into a massive issue (20.04.4 LTS) with dragging and dropping files into folders. i read up on it, and it supposedly had something to do with some experimental view - so i disabled it with the commandline arguments i was given, and im still having this issue. what the actual hell
[00:19] <sarnold> what bug number?
[00:20] <Matt|home> https://askubuntu.com/questions/973128/drag-and-drop-not-working-inside-nautilus-on-ubuntu-17-10 <-- this seems to be the issue im having, but i don't know for sure
[00:57] <Hash> Hi guys
[00:57] <Hash> Is there any known memory leak or soemthing in 2204?
[00:58] <Hash> I'm not using anything but a few apps, and I've got 64GB ram, and I'm alrady using 45GB of it.
[00:58] <Hash> How is this possible
[00:58] <leftyfb> look in htop
[01:01] <Hash> https://i.imgur.com/d6y2fOU.png
[01:01] <leftyfb> that's not htop
[01:02] <sarnold> Hash: https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[01:02] <Hash> it's not that.
[01:03] <Hash> That I know.
[01:03] <leftyfb> this is why I suggested looking at htop
[01:03] <Hash> This is alarming to me as I've never seen this before. I've had this build for a year, 64GB ram, 5800x cpu
[01:03] <Hash> I've even with mulitiple 4GB vms running have never really gone over 40% used RAM
[01:03] <Hash> I upgraded to 22 a few days ago, and today I just noticed, my ram usage has jumped up and no apps are running.
[01:04] <Hash> I checked buffer/cache
[01:04] <Hash> I mean. I'm kind of alarmed. Please help/advise
[01:04] <leftyfb> then open up htop and see what is using ram. Also, how are you determining 45G being used?
[01:05] <leftyfb> also KDE
[01:05] <leftyfb> 1GB worth of text files open with kate
[01:05] <Hash>                total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[01:05] <Hash> Mem:            62Gi        45Gi       516Mi       485Mi        16Gi        16Gi
[01:05] <leftyfb> !paste | Hash
[01:05] <Hash> used 45. It should not be using 45G of ram
[01:05] <Hash> Oh
[01:06] <Hash> Ok. It was only two lines so I thought it is ok
[01:06] <leftyfb> what does htop show you for what is actually being used?
[01:11] <leftyfb> I'm gonna go with you've got large files opened, probably in kate which are being cached to disk as per sarnold's link
[01:41] <enigma9o7[m]> You have no swap?
[01:42] <leftyfb> swap has nothing to do with it
[01:42] <enigma9o7[m]> What does htop say, same number as free?
[01:43] <enigma9o7[m]> I'm mainly just curious, but with htop or any decent system monitor tool you should be able to see what's holding that memory neway.
[01:44] <sarnold> yeah it's strange to not have swap, but without any of the requested information, it's all just guessing, and there's no point in guessing if he doesn't want to answer questions
[01:44] <leftyfb> sarnold: they both have me on ignore :)
[01:44] <sarnold> leftyfb: rofl that'd explain it
[01:44] <leftyfb> :)
[01:45] <leftyfb> also, with 64GB of memory, you really shouldn't need swap. If you're swapping after 64G of memory, you're doing something wrong
[01:46] <sarnold> heh, I've got 128G in one machine and that's still nowhere close to enough..
[01:47] <leftyfb> you're doing bad things to your computer then :)
[01:47] <sarnold> the *worst* things
[01:49] <oops> after installing  chinese language , i can't select chinese language from language support menu, the chinese language is in menus but it's gray, how to fix it
[01:50] <leftyfb> oops: tried rebooting?
[01:51] <oops> my os is 22.04 and it is upgraded from 20.04
[01:51] <oops> leftyfb: let me try rebooting firstly
[04:05] <devslash> Is there a way to remove grub and only boot windows from my grub dual boot
[04:06] <alkisg> And how would you boot ubuntu in the future?
[04:06] <devslash> I won't on this computer
[04:07] <devslash> But it seems impossible to remove grub
[04:07] <alkisg> Is this UEFI or BIOS mode?
[04:08] <devslash> Uefi
[04:08] <alkisg> You can just go to your UEFI settings and put Windows first then
[04:08] <alkisg> Grub won't appear anymore at all
[04:09] <alkisg> Or you can boot from a live cd, go to the uefi partition, and remove the ubuntu files/directories from there
[04:09] <devslash> I'm in fhere now
[04:10] <alkisg> In the uefi settings or in the efi partition?
[04:10] <devslash> Dunno I'm in a command prompt I'm recovery
[04:10] <alkisg> Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot, then press Del to enter UEFI settings
[04:11] <alkisg> In the UEFI (BIOS) settings, go to boot sequence, and put windows first
[04:12] <devslash> I fixed it thanks
[04:12] <devslash> I think
[04:13] <devslash> Oh no
[04:13] <devslash> If I disconnect either drive it doesn't boot windows
[04:13] <alkisg> That sounds like a windows problem, that you put the efi partition in the other drive than your windows partition
[04:14] <devslash> Maybe does that matter
[04:14] <devslash> Does that mean I news to reinstall windows
[04:14] <alkisg> Probably; you'll need to ask in a #windows channel for that
[04:24] <supremekai> hey guys, what would be the best ubuntu distro for a web server?
[04:51] <bobdobbs> I'm using kde plasma desktop on Ubuntu 20.04. About once every 24 hours the bar that holds the launchers and clock crashes. It still displays, but the graphics don't update.
[04:52] <bobdobbs> I first notice it when I look at the clock, and the clock is stuck on a time from a few hours ago. The launchers in the bar still respond, but I have to guess where they are.
[04:54] <bobdobbs> I'd switch to gnome, but gnome just doesn't launch: if I select it from the login screen the login screen changes state for a few seconds and then returns to it's initial state.
[04:54] <bobdobbs> I'd be happy to get either desktop environment to work
[05:55] <Maik> ice9: re gnome extensions... which browser are you using, Firefox?
[05:56] <ice9> Maik, i found that the reason is snap, but if browser is installed from apt, it works fine
[05:57] <Maik> ice9: indeed, howeverthere's no apt version of Firefox
[05:57] <Maik> not in 22.04 at least
[05:58] <Mibix>  i can not figure out why i cant select this flatpak version of dolphin as my default file manager
[07:02] <nightBulb>  Greetings people, I recently upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04 on a Laptop, problem is, the laptop no longer wakes up by touchpad interaction, have to press the power button to wake it up.
[07:02] <nightBulb> Just to clarify, sleep and wakeup are working fine, but
[07:02] <nightBulb> touchpad interaction to wake no longer works ...
[08:09] <Guest99> hi all
[08:10] <Guest99> anyone here?, i have a small doubt on ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[08:10] <Hash> Hi, sorry I just got back. Let me see
[08:10] <Hash> It's probably easier to reply on matrix
[08:11] <Guest99> Hash, you were taking to me?
[08:11] <Guest99> talking*
[08:11] <Hash> No
[08:11] <Guest99> ok, sorry
 "What does htop say, same..." <- Yes
 "I'm mainly just curious, but..." <- Strangely enough, I can't seem to find anything.
[08:14] <Hash> Guest99: what's up?
[08:15] <Guest99> Hash:, hi, i have ubuntu 18.04 and using it for the office works.. i got a red triangle with an exclamation mark on the top right..
[08:15] <Guest99> next to the wifi icon
[08:16] <Guest99> which i click it, it says like my updates are out of date..  but it does not allow me to update it,. like the update option is disabled..
[08:16] <Guest99> should i worry about that exclamation mark?
[08:16] <Hash> hmm
[08:16] <Hash> sec
[08:17] <Hash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[08:17] <Hash> It's supported until 2024
[08:17] <Hash> It's supported until 2023*
[08:17] <Hash> EOL at 2028 so you have some time
[08:17] <Hash> ok, so I don't actually use Ubuntu
[08:18] <Hash> I use Ubuntu the distribution with Xmonad and KDE panels, but not actually Ubuntu
[08:18] <Hash> I always download Kubuntu and get Xmonad. So I don't use Ubuntu and I have no idea about the gui
[08:18] <Hash> What I can do is help you update your system using command line
[08:18] <Hash> So, figure out how to 1) open a terminal window
[08:18] <Guest99> i tried updating using command line..
[08:19] <Hash> 2) in the terminal window type `sudo apt-get update` or `sudo apt update`
[08:19] <Guest99> FYI, i am just over a beginner, so, you may directly say the commands :)
[08:19] <Hash> Once your system has updated package lists, then you can type, `sudo apt-get upgrade`
[08:19] <Hash> No problem
[08:19] <Guest99> i tried those commands.. and it completed without any error
[08:19] <Hash> First do step 1, then 2, and then let me know what happens.
[08:20] <Hash> Great!
[08:20] <Hash> What about the last command
[08:20] <Guest99> the last command also completed without any error
[08:20] <Guest99> then the triangle disappeard.. but it reappears when i reboot my machine
[08:21] <Hash> Hmm.
[08:21] <Hash> I don't know this triangle.
[08:21] <Guest99> so, from the years that u mentioned.. i guess i need not to worry about the support, i think atleast i have one more year.. am i right?
[08:21] <Hash> Why not install 22.04 ubuntu
[08:22] <Hash> I just reinstalled my OS a few days ago
[08:22] <Guest99> i cannot install latest one, because of the proprietary tools that these office people gave me'
[08:22] <Hash> Ok
[08:22] <Guest99> thank you Hash
[08:23] <Hash> try this
[08:23] <Hash> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and copy paste into pastebin what it wants to do
[08:34] <freakyy85> how can i keep ssh connections alive in 22.04?
[08:34] <freakyy85> serverside
[08:50] <ravage> the connection should not just die
[08:52] <depesz> Hi. I upgraded ubuntu, and it's forcing me to install firefox from snaps. and to top it - it fails with: "Run configure hook of "firefox" snap if present (run hook "configure": cannot create temporary directory for the root file system: Permission denied)" - any idea on what could that be?
[08:54] <jchittum> depesz: the snap is strictly confined. if it's getting a permission denied, it's due to a missing plug or permission in the snap itself
[08:54] <depesz> jchittum: i never used snaps. would prefer not to, but apparently with new ubuntu you can't have normal deb-based firefox.
[08:54] <depesz> so, what could have I done that it doesn't work?
[08:55] <ravage> depesz, the upgrade is done?
[08:56] <depesz> it ended with error. which was - installing firefox snap
[08:56] <depesz> i rebooted, ran apt-get update/ upgrade, and it always fails on firefox.
[08:56] <depesz> i tried apt-get remove firefox, install, snap install firefox, and it fails every single time
[08:57] <depesz> so, I straced snapd process, and it seems it can't mkdir in /tmp (which on my system is symlink
[08:57] <ravage> is your home directory in a non standard location?
[08:57] <depesz> home yes, mostly. tmp not.
[08:57] <ravage> ok or your tmp dir
[08:57] <alkisg> depesz: you can keep using firefox from the mozillateam ppa if you like, see last comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1962021
[08:58] <ravage> snaps have very strict confinements
[08:58] <ravage> i think the tmp dir may not be available from the snap
[08:58] <depesz> ravage: ok. how can I let snaps use more directories?
[08:58] <ravage> you would have to mess with the apparmor profile i guess
[08:58] <depesz> i tried to use spotify from snap once, but it was not able to reach data mounted in /media (and not in /home)
[08:59] <depesz> can I disable the whole apparmor thing somehow?
[08:59] <ravage> but i never really did modify anthing in it
[08:59] <ravage> maybe just go without the snap
[08:59] <ravage> see what alkisg.
[09:00] <ravage> a lot of people did that already. seems to work just fine
[09:01] <jchittum> you don't need to do apparmour. there's a specific connection you can enable...one sec to let me dig a bit
[09:01] <jchittum> but i'm not sure how to do that _preinstallationa_
[09:01] <depesz> yeah. did it. i.e. installed firefox from debs from mozilla team. I would be SO MUCH HAPPIER if ubuntu didn't force snap down my throat
[09:02] <ravage> you are not alone. but it is what it is
[09:04] <ogra> depesz, "sudo snap connect spotify:removable-media" gives your ansp access to /mdia and /mnt
[09:04] <ogra> s/ansp/snap/
[09:04] <ogra> */media
[09:05] <ogra> debuse the tarball if you dont like the snap ... this is linux, there is choice, nobody forces you to use the snap ...
[09:05] <ogra> (dont use the PPA though, that will likely stop to function at some point and just not update anymore)
[09:07] <depesz> ogra: thanks. will check if if I will be able to learn how to get snaps to work
[09:08] <depesz> ogra: well, ubuntu is forcing me by removing firefox from normal apt. i know I can add repo. i did. but, by default, apt-get will install snap version of the software.
[09:08] <ogra> depesz, "snap help" and "snap help <command>" are pretty helpful
[09:09] <ogra> depesz, mozilla asked for moving to snap and wants the debs gone ... (which is why i think the PPA will stop beng updated eventually) ...
[09:09] <ogra> depesz, people that have the deb somehow need to get to the snap, thus there is a deb that converts you ... there is no other clean way to get people switched over ...
[09:10] <ogra> you can always uninstall the deb (and snap) and just go with the firefox tarball
[09:10] <depesz> i kinda get it. my frustration comes from: "it doesn't work for me, and fixing it is not obvious"
[09:10] <ogra> yeah, th extra security comes at some cost sadly
[09:14] <ogra> btw, this might be interesting (and a good place to report inconsistencies you find, to potentially get them fixd if possible) https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/known-issues-with-firefox-snap/24663
[09:22] <jchittum> i tried to repro the installation, and I couldn't (using an lxc container). Wondering if it's a root issue (though i thought `snap install` would ask for password and run privileged)
[09:24] <ogra> it usually does .... you either need to "snap login" or it will ask for using sudo ... i think lxd containers drop that check though
[09:26] <jchittum> I did just notice something interesting for Firefox. I was unable to do downloads. Somehow /$HOME/Downloads/firefox.tmp had it's permissions changed, and my user no longer had access. I wonder if something similar is happening during configuration at some points?
[09:27] <jchittum> so not just a snap connection issue, but a directory / file permission issue
[09:30] <ogra> yeah, that could be
[09:31] <ogra> should be rwx only for the user (and user/group owned) ...
[09:31] <jchittum> I lost write access somehow
[09:34] <jchittum> it was set to something odd...definitely not $USER +rwx.
[09:35] <gebbione> Sometime one of my monitors is not working at start up, works after a restart but that is annoying. Here is some output from the journal  ... Can you spot what might be going on? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8vxZjgSmNR/
[09:36] <gebbione> i tried restarting lightdm too
[09:36] <gebbione> but that fails
[10:07] <oxfuxxx> gebbione try xrandr you may be able to activate it from here, then you could put the xrandr command line at startup if it works.
[10:48] <family> hello
[10:51] <serhat> Hey guys, there is a problem with my ubuntu 22.04 jammy jellyfish. I upgraded from 20.04 a week ago. The problem is my applications shut down unexpectedly and after restarting the apps, it continues to work from where the interception took place. For examle if i had vscode running and it suddenly shuts down, i rerun the app and it continues from where it is left.
[10:52] <serhat> An example of log messages right after my 2 vscode apps shut down :
[10:52] <serhat> 13:47:35 gnome-shell: Could not create transient scope for PID 0: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.UnitExists: Unit app-gnome-org.gnome.Logs-0.scope already exists.
[10:52] <serhat> 13:47:34 dbus-daemon: [session uid=1000 pid=27194] Successfully activated service 'org.gnome.Logs'
[10:52] <serhat> 13:47:34 nautilus: Connecting to org.freedesktop.Tracker3.Miner.Files
[10:52] <serhat> 13:47:34 systemd: Started GNOME Terminal Server.
[10:52] <serhat> 13:47:34 dbus-daemon: [session uid=1000 pid=27194] Successfully activated service 'org.gnome.Terminal'
[11:05] <serhat> are there anyone to help ?
[11:29] <bertieb> Hey folks, I was round last night trying to get a fresh 22.04 budgie to boot on a Wyse 7020 but was having weird UEFI/legacy issues
[11:30] <bertieb> via livecd I've got bootx64.efi in the fallback location; and a copy of it in /boot/efi/EFI/microsoft/boot/bootmgrfw.efi -- anywhere / anything else I should have?
[11:31] <EriC^> bertieb: hey, it's ../boot/bootmgfw.efi
[11:31] <EriC^> (minus the r)
[11:31] <bertieb> EriC^: ah yes, typo
[11:31] <EriC^> bertieb: are you in the live cd right now?
[11:31] <bertieb> (in IRC, not the path ^_^)
[11:32] <bertieb> EriC^: yup
[11:32] <EriC^> ah cool
[11:32] <EriC^> bertieb: ok, type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[11:32] <bertieb> sure, that doesn't resolve from the chroot so lemme just check resolv.conf
[11:33] <EriC^> bertieb: you could 'sudo mount -B /run /mnt/run'  outside the chroot
[11:34] <bertieb> https://termbin.com/atmo -- it shows some extra weirdness that arose today- when I disabled the ubuntu entry (to boot via PXE) it duplicated and enabled the entry
[11:35] <bertieb> the file the ubuntu entry references- shimx64.efi is present at EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi
[11:36] <EriC^^> bertieb: looks good, try 'ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999' and try 'sudo blkid /dev/sdxY' where sdxY is your efi partition
[11:36] <EriC^^> look at PARTUUID confirm it's 3544be48-95fd-44cd-99a1-064c0b8e9a8f
[11:37] <bertieb> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/t8hxh and aye the EFI PARTUUID matches
[11:38] <bobdobbs> I'll be setting up a new machine next week. I'll want to dual boot between windows and linux. Which OS should I give control of the MBR?
[11:38] <bertieb> (ignore the nc in the EFI dir, had a > instead of a pipe)
[11:38] <EriC^^> bobdobbs: ubuntu
[11:38] <bobdobbs> hai EriC^^
[11:38] <EriC^^> bertieb: looking good, what was the sdxY you used?
[11:39] <bobdobbs> EriC^^: any particular reason why?
[11:39] <bertieb> EFI partition is sda1
[11:39] <EriC^^> bertieb: im thinking just for kicks to add a fake windows entry since the old one seems to still be using the mbr one
[11:39] <EriC^^> bertieb: sudo efibootmgr -c -w -l \\EFI\\ubuntu\\shimx64.efi -L "Windows" -p 1 -d /dev/sda
[11:39] <EriC^^> err
[11:40] <EriC^^> bertieb: sudo efibootmgr -c -w -l \\EFI\\microsoft\\boot\\bootmgfw.efi -L "Windows" -p 1 -d /dev/sda
[11:40] <bertieb> EriC^^: will do! does that replace the extant one?
[11:41] <EriC^^> bertieb: dont think so, we can try to delete it and the extra ubuntu one
[11:41] <bertieb> Okay cool
[11:41] <EriC^^> bertieb: sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0001
[11:41] <bertieb> let me just enable sshd
[11:41] <EriC^^> bertieb: sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0002
[11:41] <bertieb> cause I know I'm gonna mistype one of these
[11:42] <dirtcastle> sensor-detect command not found after downloading fancontrol?
[11:43] <dirtcastle> and lm-sensors
[11:43] <EriC^^> !find sensor-detect
[11:43] <dirtcastle> do u guys have experience with fancontrol?
[11:43] <EriC^^> dirtcastle: i have a 'sensors-detect' file from lm-sensors
[11:44] <dirtcastle> u need a file?
[11:44] <EriC^^> no i mean the binary
[11:44] <dirtcastle> do u know where to find documentation abt this.
[11:44] <ogra> dirtcastle, it is sensor'S' ... not sensor
[11:44] <dirtcastle> aah.
[11:44] <EriC^^> dirtcastle: what does 'which sensors-detect' give you?
[11:45] <dirtcastle> it gives nothing
[11:45] <dirtcastle> ogra: corrected. i downloaded the package.
[11:45] <dirtcastle> seaaah
[11:45] <dirtcastle> got it
[11:46] <dirtcastle> sensor's' - detect
[11:47] <ogra> 🙂
[11:47] <bertieb> EriC^^: changes made via efibootmgr (https://termbin.com/cqtb)
[11:47] <bertieb> anything else I can do while booted into live environment ? :)
[11:47] <dirtcastle> how to write config for fancontrol now.
[11:48] <EriC^^> bertieb: that's about it, try to see if you get grub
[11:48] <bertieb> 👍
[11:48] <bertieb> here's hoping :)
[11:48] <EriC^^> :)
[11:48] <ogra> dirtcastle, https://askubuntu.com/questions/53762/how-to-use-lm-sensors
[11:50] <bertieb> interesting- it complained about not being able to find the efi images
[11:50] <bertieb> both windows and grubx64
[11:52] <bertieb> ending with "start_image() returned Not Found"
[11:54] <EriC^^> aha bertieb ive had a similar thing, sort of
[11:54] <EriC^^> bertieb: try to copy grubx64.efi into /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/grubx64.efi
[11:54] <EriC^^> might as well throw it into /boot/efi/efi/boot too
[11:55] <bertieb> will do! just having a look at secure boot as that's the second tie I've sen an askubuntu QA reference it, but it's disabled
[11:59] <glick> hi does anyone know how to enable remote access to mariadb on ubuntu?
[11:59] <glick> im following documentation but its confusing and not working
[12:00] <bobdobbs> glick: I don't think that that's an OS-specific thing
[12:02] <bobdobbs> glick: are you trying to enable the server to be open to remote connection? Or are you trying to connect from a local client? Which side of the problem are you stuck on?
[12:03] <dirtcastle> I'm getting there is no pwm capable sensor modules installed
[12:03] <dirtcastle> what to do.
[12:03] <dirtcastle> this is my laptop. no answer in google search or reddit.
[12:04] <dirtcastle> https://www.flipkart.com/msi-gf63-thin-core-i5-10th-gen-8-gb-512-gb-ssd-windows-10-home-4-graphics-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-144-hz-10uc-607in-gaming-laptop/p/itm92565651dc3ed
[12:05] <dirtcastle> ???
[12:11] <glick> i figured it out bobdobbs thaks
[12:11] <glick> thanks
[12:12] <bobdobbs> good to hear
[12:12] <bertieb> EriC^^: I've popped grubx6.efi into microsoft and EFI dirs (https://termbin.com/7sld3); will give that a try and meanwhile actually make a liveusb
[12:15] <bertieb> both windows and ubuntu entries are just dumping me back to BIOS setup again -_-
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:16] <luna> hey
[12:19] <EriC^^> bertieb: odd, is there any new entry in efibootmgr for windows boot manager btw?
[12:19] <EriC^^> bertieb: it might be worth a shot to copy grubx64.efi instead of shimx64.efi to those locations
[12:19] <bertieb> EriC^^: nope
[12:20] <bertieb> pop shim into there as well?
[12:20] <EriC^^> bertieb: nah, just copy grubx64.efi to bootx64.efi and bootmgfw.efi
[12:20] <bertieb> ohh right
[12:21] <vanessa> hi. I installed fish but there is no `fish_add_path`? I get `fish_add_path: command not found`. what do?
[12:22] <bertieb> let me try to remember how to create a bootable USB (IIRC it's more than a simple dd ?) to bypass the slow netboot :)
[12:27] <EriC^^> bertieb: yeah dd bs=4M && sync should do it
[12:36] <thor_> 22.04. removing lua5.1 forces install of lua5.2. How do i uninstall the lua package?
[12:37] <bertieb> EriC^^: cheers! the disks I am using seem to be going into uninterruptible sleep (D+ in ps) which makes me wonder if the usb drives are alright...
[12:38] <bertieb> though it's happened across two different drives of the same make so maybe it's the bus itself
[12:40] <EriC^^> dang bertieb
[12:40] <bertieb> aye... aye -_-
[12:41] <thor_> maybe computers are not cool in 2022
[12:42] <bertieb> I think I head the xkcd sharks circling
[12:42] <bertieb> *hear
[12:43] <bertieb> going to try writing the USB from my laptop, otherwise I'll go back to using netboot
[12:48] <manwhowouldbekin> I have been using this Anne Pro 2 keyboard on Ubuntu 20.04 and now on Ubuntu 22.04. It seems to work fine, but several times a day, it will just stop working. To get it working, I typically unplug its cord and plug it back in. Needless to say, it is pretty annoying. I have tried plugging it into a MacOS machine. No problem, so far as i can tell. How can I troubleshoot it and fix it on Ubuntu?
[12:49] <cbreak> manwhowouldbekin: anything in dmesg / journalctl -b 0 ? maybe usb related issues?
[12:49] <cbreak> I noticed usb problems with ubuntu, but that might be cable / hub related.
[12:50] <bertieb> ah, dd went into uninterruptible state (U+) on the laptop too... I have a third, unopened drive of the same type but I'm not sure my sanity could handle that one not working (:
[12:50] <bertieb> (part of me wonders if I got a fake batch)
[12:51] <thor_> manwhowouldbekin: try different usb port. worth a shot.
[13:02] <manwhowouldbekin> thor_, I have tried that. Seems to get the same issue.
[13:02] <manwhowouldbekin> cbreak, What command should I run to check it out?
[13:03] <cbreak> dmesg will show recent kernel messages, journalctl -b 0 shows a ton more
[13:03] <ioria> manwhowouldbekin, also  cat /var/log/syslog; might be a pin issue
[13:04] <cbreak> I think the syslog should also end up in journalctl's output
[13:09] <ioria> manwhowouldbekin, if you see in the logs  firmware errors, you can try to downgrade the pkg
[13:20] <manwhowouldbekin> ioria, The only thing related to keyboard in that file is "May  6 16:02:20 user-desktop /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[2648]: (EE) event15 - OBINLB USB-HID Keyboard: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 30ms, your system is too slow"
[13:22] <manwhowouldbekin> cbreak, Does that journal only store info since the last reboot? Will I need to wait for the keyboard to shutoff and then inspect the journal?
[13:23] <cbreak> manwhowouldbekin: if you use -b -1 or just leave it away, you can access older stuff
[13:23] <cbreak> there's also --since that allows setting a time limit
[13:25] <bertieb> EriC^^: tried coping over grubx64.efi to bootx64 etc, I now get a blank screen and can't seem to access BIOS -_-
[13:25] <bertieb> I think I'm gonna unplug the machine and have another look later
[13:27] <EriC^^> alright
[13:27] <bertieb> something's cursed, and it's either that machine, the boot images, USB drives, me, or all of the above :D
[13:27] <bertieb> once again, I appreciate the time spent and help
[13:28] <bertieb> if I can get anything sensical out of this machine, I'll come back :)
[13:34] <EriC^^> bertieb: no problem, if anything you can always make it boot legacy seems to have worked better that way
[13:34] <EriC^^> just needed the mod dir
[13:41] <bertieb> EriC^^: good thought!  may try legacy with 22.04, or failing that an earlier version (which worked before)
[13:53] <Guest9734> hi
[14:18] <webchat32> hi all
[14:30] <linestar> hi, can help install asus USB-AC58 wi-fi adapter on ubuntu 20.04
[14:32] <zaggynl> hey linestar
[14:32] <zaggynl> I assume the adapter does not become visible after plugging it in? have you tried the driver from asus?
[14:33] <zaggynl> !wifi
[15:27] <imi> hi
[15:29] <imi> I have a script that overwrites the desktop background image. in 20.04 it refreshed the displayed image. now a copy of the old file is made and the background isn't refreshed. I want the background to be refreshed to the new image. how do I do that?
[15:49] <towser> wine gives me "Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0xffffffff in 16-bit code (142f:2782).
[15:49] <towser> In 16 bit mode" error when I try to launch a game. How do I fix it?
[15:49] <leftyfb> !wine | towser
[15:50] <towser> wine gives me "Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0xffffffff in 16-bit code (142f:2782).
[15:50] <towser> In 16 bit mode" error when I try to launch a game. How do I fix it?
[15:50] <towser> oops
[15:50] <towser> thank you I'll try there
[16:13] <basti_> I transferred an image of ubuntu 22.04 to a usb stick using "dd if=... of=/dev/sdb". This usb stick now won't boot on a "lifebook a531". Instead, it'll attempt to boot from the hard drive. I never encountered this behaviour and I'm pretty confused. I also attempted to boot an image of ubuntu 20.10 (which i had around), with the same result. I suspect some problem with UEFI, but I don't even know how to
[16:14] <basti_> check.
[16:17] <leftyfb> basti_: use etcher.io to flash the ubuntu 22.04 iso to the usb flash drive
[16:19] <basti_> leftyfb: ok i will. I've read about that before.  I can't find one on their page. And, will this work from the shell?
[16:22] <san0> anyone have any experience with ubuntu touch? specifically the aquarius m10 tablet?
[16:22] <basti_> leftyfb: nm, found a link. I'll try it now.
[16:23] <leftyfb> basti_: etcher is a graphical application
[16:23] <san0> trying to log into ubuntu one to update this thing but keep getting a network error
[16:23] <leftyfb> !touch | san0
[16:23] <jhutchins> Pity us poor troglodytes who have been using dd for all these years without knowing it was wrong.
[16:24] <leftyfb> jhutchins: nobody said dd was wrong
[16:24] <basti_> leftyfb: I can't even get X11 to run rn
[16:24] <leftyfb> basti_: what is the filename of the iso you are using?
[16:27] <basti_> leftyfb: ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:27] <leftyfb> ok, that should work
[16:31] <basti_> I'll try using the grub "commandline" to boot the stick.
[16:51] <shivaya> hi peeps, does anyone know if there is a way to set the root password in user-data autoinstall yaml? I have tried disable_root: false and setting root pw in "identity" section but it doesn't seem to work
[16:53] <leftyfb> shivaya: why do you need to set a root password?
[16:53] <arkanoid> I want to understand why a machine turned off at a certain time in the past. I'm looking at syslogs but there's no apparent info at that specific time
[16:54] <shivaya> leftyfb: cause i want to have root pw available locally. my users use keys exclusively but i like to have root account available in case i need to do stuff over the console
[16:54] <leftyfb> arkanoid: look through journalctl -k -b-1  (this will be for the last boot)
[16:54] <leftyfb> shivaya: login as a user and use sudo ... locally
[16:55] <shivaya> leftyfb: mortal users dont have passwords. not able to log in on the console, only via ssh
[16:55] <leftyfb> shivaya: I can't think of a single valid reason a root password would need to be set
[16:55] <leftyfb> shivaya: ok, so make a "moral" user for administrative purposes
[16:55] <leftyfb> mortal*
[16:55] <shivaya> why
[16:55] <shivaya> when there is an account for admin purposes
[16:56] <leftyfb> shivaya: because it's more secure
[16:56] <shivaya> if that account can do sudo, how is it more secure?
[16:56] <shivaya> it's just making things inconvenient imo
[16:57] <ogra> well, you are opening a direct attack vector ...
[16:58] <ogra> you can always just sudo -s to get a root shell
[16:58] <shivaya> w/ root account? but if someone attacker has console access and password for user which can do sudo, how is that different than having console access and password to root user? i don't see where is the increased risk here
[16:58] <leftyfb> shivaya: everyone knows "root" exists on a system. It's unlikely the know the username you choose for your admin account
[16:58] <arkanoid> leftyfb: -b-1 stops many hours before the event
[16:58] <ogra> if a local user uses sudo you get a full trace log for every action
[16:59] <shivaya> if the local users does "sudo bash" there is no log, no?
[16:59] <ogra> a root account logs nothing ... way harder to do forensics ... way easier to do some brute force attack etc
[17:00] <ogra> beyond the fact that everything in ubuntu is tested and integrated with sudo and not with the assumption a root account exists (which might make you find interesting bugs 🙂 )
[17:00] <ogra> with all that in mind, you can indeed just create a root account ... 🙂
[17:00] <arkanoid> last line with -b-1: May 04 21:37:08, event time (thanks to external monitor) May 06 01:31:21
[17:00] <shivaya> i want to create it with autoisntall method
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> arkanoid: whats happening to your ubuntu system exactly?
[17:00] <shivaya> actually root account is there, autointall doesn't want to set its password
[17:01] <shivaya> i want to avoid hacky stuff by sed-ing the hash into shadow file
[17:01] <ogra> shivaya, have you checked https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/automated-server-installs/16612
[17:01] <leftyfb> shivaya: https://askubuntu.com/a/1356660/1151311   good luck
[17:01] <shivaya> ogra: yes but doesn't seem to do the right thing
[17:01] <shivaya> thanks leftyfb, i have tried this solution but doesn't seem to work
[17:01] <shivaya> my google-foo led nowhere so i figured to try  here :)
[17:02] <leftyfb> shivaya: I'm going to guess it is working but you're not setting/typing the password correctly
[17:02] <arkanoid> lotuspsychje: system went off abruptly, it didn't came back online even if auto-power-on is enabled (it would come back if I would remove the plug and re-insert)
[17:02] <shivaya> leftyfb: that's a bad guess, i tried generating multiple hashes, quotes no quotes - no luck
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> arkanoid: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[17:03] <leftyfb> shivaya: I ran into a similar issue with ansible and setting user passwords. Turn out to be the way I was automating writing out the hash
[17:03] <leftyfb> arkanoid: did it just cut power? If that's the case, then that is a hardware issue, not ubuntu
[17:03] <arkanoid> lotuspsychje: 20.04 LTS
[17:04] <leftyfb> arkanoid: maybe look into a power supply or heat issus
[17:04] <iomari891> greetings, I have a python3.7 installation that I'm trying to remove and the damn thing refuses. I keep getting: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:04] <iomari891>  libpython3.7-stdlib : Depends: libpython3.7-minimal (= 3.7.12-1+focal2) but 3.7.13-1+focal3 is to be installed
[17:04] <iomari891> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).y
[17:04] <shivaya> leftyfb: i have a plain yml, no ansible involved. well involved in the post install but not to initiate autoinstall. i can prove the hash works by injecting it into shadow file in late-commands
[17:04] <shivaya> this this is supposed to work, this may be a bug
[17:04] <shivaya> if this*
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> arkanoid: while you dig your journal logs, maybe share your dmesg in a !paste the volunteers might see something relevant
[17:05] <leftyfb> !bug | shivaya
[17:05] <arkanoid> leftyfb: that's what it seems from the logs, as seems there's no relevant events around that time. I'm here asking which log should contain interesting info to reduce the search area
[17:05] <iomari891> fix-broken doesn't work either. How can I completely remove python 3.7 by force?
[17:05] <leftyfb> arkanoid: if it just cut power, there is no log
[17:11] <oerheks> iomari891, how did you get  3.7.13-1+focal3  ? as 3.8 is standard
[17:11] <oerheks> deadsnakes PPA?
[17:17] <iomari891> oerheks: I'm helping someone. I have no idea how it got there. The default on his machine is 3.8. But this 3.7 is causing issues and I just can't get rid of it.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> dependency issues often arise when messing with ppa's iomari891
[17:18] <oerheks> version number gives this hint; https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:18] <oerheks> remove ppa, with ppa-purge?
[17:18] <oerheks> that would reverse to the original 3.8, i hope
[17:19] <iomari891> the only ppa besides the standard is deadsnkes
[17:19] <iomari891> snakes
[17:19] <iomari891> if I remove it will it solve the problem?
[17:20] <oerheks> yes
[17:20] <oerheks> !ppapurge
[17:25] <iomari891> oerheks: thanks but i can't install anything or upgrade anything. I keep getting the fix-broken message and fix-broken bringing "unmet dependencies" eroors.
[17:28] <iomari891> I removed the deadsnakes manually but the problem persists.
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> iomari891: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-list-and-remove-ppa-repository-on-ubuntu-20-04-linux
[17:50] <ioria> iomari891, if you can't install  ppa-purge and fix-broken it's not working, you can use still use something like :  sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq python3.7    and  sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq libpython3.7-stdlib
[17:50] <tomreyn> iomari891: you know, apt itself is partially (mostly) based on python. it is only tested and known to work with the python versions that comes with the respective ubuntu release. therefore, installing a different python version system-wide, and replacing the default python release or where "python" command points to, can actually stop apt from working properly or at all.  So you may be facing two problems at once there.
[18:14] <naresh> hi , i installed fresh ubuntu 22.04 , the screen seems flickering after some time, when playing video and also camera is not working, the coloured lines are coming in camera windows. may be this graphics issue, please help me to resolve this issue.
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> naresh: cheese has a known bug that needs yet to be solved on 22.04
[18:16] <matsaman> naresh: what graphics device & driver?
[18:16] <iomari891> tomreyn: thanks. the problem was resolved by removing deadsnakes afterall.
[18:17] <naresh> matsaman, how to check , please guide me
[18:17] <Linux> hi
[18:17] <matsaman> naresh: probably, lspci | grep -i vga -B 5 -A 5, should be in there somewhere
[18:18] <matsaman> naresh: intel, nvidia, nouveau, fglrx, radeon, amdgpu, etc.
[18:18] <matsaman> Linux: hi
[18:22] <naresh> matsaman, https://imgur.com/a/75SNw7o here is complete info
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> naresh: that could my flickering bug #1958191
[18:25] <naresh> lotuspsychje, also when i booting the system , the boot black screen shows "sgx disabled by bios"
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> naresh: try adding this kernel paramater in your grub as a test, to get rid of your flickering; i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
[18:29] <naresh> ok ,
[18:29] <xheimlich> Hi. What's a simple "web parser" or "batch web browser" that can be used from the cli (like curl) but strips most html tags, maybe renders ol and ul, something like that.?
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> you know howto do that naresh
[18:29] <naresh> no lotuspsychje
[18:29] <naresh> please guide me.
[18:30] <xheimlich> I basically want to pipe text-heavy urls from sites like everything2 and literotica to this python script I have.
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> naresh: ctrl + l in nautilus and type admin:/// in the search field ontop
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> naresh: then go edit /etc/default/grub and add the parameter behind quiet splash and save
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> naresh: then sudo update-grub and reboot
[18:36] <tomreyn> xheimlich: you may be referring to lync
[18:36] <tomreyn> lynx
[18:37] <tomreyn> or w3m, or browsh
[18:39] <matsaman> naresh: so if you've got intel onboard and nvidia dedicated, you have at least three graphics drivers to choose from -- intel, nvidia, nouveau -- and likely many variations of each further. It's kind of boring, but just trying different driver versions or entire drivers could circumvent your issue.
[18:40] <naresh> matsaman, what you suggest then ? i am still trying to fix with lotuspsychje solutions
[18:42] <matsaman> naresh: you may as well finish with lotuspsychje's approach
[18:42] <matsaman> follow through with first*
[18:42] <matsaman> xheimlich: I usually use | elinks -dump -no-references for that
[18:43] <matsaman> xheimlich: but there's certainly a python lib for it, too
[18:44] <basti_> I turned up here about 2 hours ago, being unable to boot 22.04 from a usb stick on a lifebook a531. I also tried to boot via grub, but to no avail. As it turned out, dd is still fine for writing iso images to usb sticks, but lifebook a531 won't run any ubuntu version later than 20.04 (which was one notch earlier than I had images for) - leftyfb
[18:44] <tuu> hello, I've downloaded ubuntu 22.04 from the ubuntu site yesterday but the checksum mismatched, I wonder whether it is a transmission error or maybe the image is malicious?
[18:45] <pavan> most probably a transmission error
[18:48] <naresh> lotuspsychje, sudo update-grub says Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub'
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> naresh: yes, sounds good
[18:49] <naresh> usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 10: /etc/default/grub: i915.enable_dc=0: not found
[18:49] <naresh> this lotuspsychje
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> naresh: if you did it correcly, your grub now shows: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2"
[18:49] <tomreyn> tuu: you could try the torrent instead, it may have a better chance of downloading properly in case your internet connection is less reliable
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> naresh: if not, try again proper edit
[18:50] <naresh> lotuspsychje, now "Adding boot menu entry for UEFI Firmware Settings ...Done"
[18:51] <tomreyn> basti_: certainly quite aged hardware, but i'm not aware of a reason whxy it should not run 22.04
[18:52] <tomreyn> !bootlog | nares
[18:52] <tomreyn> ^ basti_ actually that was for you
[18:53] <tuu> tomreyn, I've downloaded from a mirror with wget today this time it was correct, yesterday I downloaded from the site with firefox. also the file size is identical so it's not just missing bytes..
[18:56] <xheimlich> matsaman: yeah, I didn't want to use Python for that. Thanks for the answer.
[18:58] <tomreyn> tuu: if you have details i'm happy to cross check this with you
[18:58] <tomreyn> would need url of where you downloaded the image and the output of sha256sum run against your download
[19:04] <MrAureliusR> Hey everyone. Was just upgrading my server from 21.10 to 22.04 using do-release-upgrade. Everything was going fine. Then it wanted to update /etc/sudoers, so I hit Z to start a shell so I could merge the new version with my existing changes. However, inside of nano, a bunch of messages printed on the screen saying that the upgrade had failed and to press ENTER to continue. The keyboard wouldn't respond at first, so I hit ctrl-c which allowed me
[19:04] <MrAureliusR> to exit nano. Then it printed out some more of the package update messages, but then it said the subprocess had been killed
[19:04] <MrAureliusR> now I'm not sure what to do. do-release-upgrade says there are no upgrades. apt-get update says the system is up to date.
[19:04] <MrAureliusR> but I can see in top that there is a "jammy" process still running, and some other process is holding the dpkg lock
[19:05] <basti_> tomreyn: this confused me a lot, as well. I was able to boot until a certain point by using grub command line, but the boot was interrupted without an error message. I was out of ideas and installed 20.04 then, which I'm using now.
[19:07] <sarnold> MrAureliusR: try apt install -f  and dpkg --configure -a
[19:09] <MrAureliusR> but a process is holding the dpkg lock
[19:10] <MrAureliusR> and that process seems to still be running
[19:11] <tomreyn> basti_: then i'd say just enjoy your working 20.04, and when you feel like upgrading to 22.04, and the issue is still there, just come back here.
[19:11] <MrAureliusR> I'm a bit nervous about killing that process
[19:12] <MrAureliusR> the process is "/usr/bin/dpkg--force-overwrite--status-fd91--configure--pending"
[19:12] <MrAureliusR> according to it's cmdline in /proc anyway
[19:15] <tomreyn> MrAureliusR: how long has it been running, though? do you have any terminal windows open in the background? are you logged on to this system on any ttys or by ssh?
[19:15] <MrAureliusR> logged in via ssh, both on the regular port and the special 1022 it opened
[19:15] <MrAureliusR> I can access it via a serial tty from the management console if ssh goes awry though
[19:16] <MrAureliusR> it's been running maybe 10 minutes now since the screen process terminated
[19:17] <MrAureliusR> and the "jammy" process is also still running, which is the upgrade script, isn't it?
[19:17] <tomreyn> should be, yes
[19:17] <tomreyn> i guess it's waiting for you to make a choice on wheter you intend to keep the file the same or have it replaced
[19:18] <MrAureliusR> well
[19:18] <tomreyn> if you kill the hanging process it should continue, keeping the file as is... i assume
[19:18] <MrAureliusR> it actually responded to that, it was odd
[19:18] <MrAureliusR> I was able to say N at the prompt, then it printed out maybe 10 more lines and then showed the subprocess had been killed
[19:18] <MrAureliusR> the whole thing was a bit strange
[19:19] <MrAureliusR> which process should I kill, the dpkg or the jammy?
[19:19] <tomreyn> dpkg's, but don't blame me ;)
[19:20] <tomreyn> after all the upgrade already failed
[19:20] <MrAureliusR> not going to blame you, heh
[19:20] <MrAureliusR> oh good, sudo dpkg --configure -a seems to be picking up where it left off
[19:21] <MrAureliusR> *phew*
[19:21] <tomreyn> it would be good to try and find out what caused the upgrade to fail in the first place. maybe 'foreign' packages (or package versions), or just the unsupported upgrade path
[19:22] <tomreyn> oh, actually 21.10 to 22.04 may be supported by now, haven't checked
[19:22] <tomreyn> why are you running server on non LTS versions though?
[19:23] <tomreyn> i mean it's fine, i just would not want to bother.
[19:28] <MrAureliusR> lol sorry, znc got upgraded as we were talking
[19:29] <electrostrong> Is anyone knowledgeable on ACL's and Samba in the chat here?
[19:29] <MrAureliusR> I am pretty sure the reason it failed was because I hit ctrl-d while in nano
[19:29] <MrAureliusR> and/or ctrl-c
[19:29] <MrAureliusR> which somehow got picked up by the script running
[19:29] <electrostrong> I have an SMB share in which ACL information is being maintained beyond the user/group/other permissions when files are being saved
[19:30] <electrostrong> i.e. -rw-r--r--+  1 root      root
[19:30] <electrostrong> the "+" signifies an ACL that's being added - I just want user/group and no extended ACL attributes saved with the file
[19:31] <tuu> tomreyn: the URL was https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso and the invalid checksum was 359ad09d7997ea49fc94e3e03d3cc9325d9153c88a28224d0ba1076eb60a26be
[19:31] <tuu> I downloaded again with firefox from that URL and the checksum is invalid again but now it's 4dc3dd64afd05d17b703d819ae98ddc125a3b50c6f4a53e0ea1c124f07cc97dc, weird..
[19:31] <tuu> I try with wget now..
[19:34] <tomreyn> tuu: if you can use zsync on this (linux based?) operating system you are running now, just install zsync and download https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync and use it against the file you already have
[19:34] <sarnold> does zsync work with https links? I'
[19:35] <sarnold> I've got a vague memory that it doesn't do beyond http
[19:36] <electrostrong> n/m - answered my own question - in smb.conf found "map acl inherit = yes" and also "vfs objects = acl_xattr" and "store dos attributes = yes" - removed them and now behaves without ACL's...so much fun
[19:36] <MrAureliusR> +1 for zsync, it's great
[19:37] <sarnold> MrAureliusR: ah :) you're back, yay; I've been starting additional terminals to inspect the changed files moments after the changes are made; I don't know where exactly I got into this habit, but it might have been similar cases, hehe
[19:38] <tomreyn> sarnold: oh, interesting, i never tried. but the http:// links still work (and maybe that's one of the reasons why)
[19:38] <DD3my> good evening guys, i am a new member of the ubuntu community, is it possible to get the ubuntu cloak for my nickname?
[19:38] <tuu> tomreyn, with wget the download succeeded correctly
[19:39] <tomreyn> tuu: nice!
[19:39] <tuu> yeah! :D
[19:39] <sarnold> DD3my: sweet! :) yeah
[19:39] <tomreyn> MrAureliusR: log from znc restart https://termbin.com/ktk6
[19:40] <DD3my> thank you sarnold :)
[19:44] <MrAureliusR> oh, mostly because it's a fairly experimental server and I wanted more recent packages
[19:45] <MrAureliusR> but now I will be sticking to the LTS I think
[19:45] <MrAureliusR> just wrangling with a few services that failed to start properly after the upgrade... for some reason one service is complaining that /var/run is read-only when I'm pretty sure it's not
[19:46] <MrAureliusR> I can see that /run is a tmpfs, but I don't know why this service can't read the socket file it owns there
[19:46] <MrAureliusR> "2022/05/06 19:39:32 /var/run/yggdrasil.sock already exists and was not cleaned up: remove /var/run/yggdrasil.sock: read-only file system"
[19:46] <MrAureliusR> very odd indeed. is that a difference from previous versions?
[19:49] <sarnold> that's very odd; my guesses: (a) check mount, maybe you've actually got a read-only filesystem.. (b) check /proc/pid/mounts for whatever process logged that message, perhaps there's some bind-mount games going on in that specific process
[19:50] <electrostrong> @MrAureliusR - when yggdrasil crashes it leaves the file there - you may want to manually remove it and try again to see if this corrects it: https://github.com/yggdrasil-network/yggdrasil-go/issues/326
[19:50] <tomreyn> fwiw, /var/run is a symlink to /run on my rather frshly installed 22.04 desktop VM here
[19:51] <sarnold> I wonder if namei -l   reports read-only filesystems along the way..
[19:51] <DD3my> you have been very kind, thanks for the support sarnold :)
[19:51] <sarnold> (that wouldn't help much in the case of new filesystem namespaces and read-only bind mounts, but still..)
[19:52] <electrostrong> To see if filesystems are mounted readyonly you can grep proc: grep "[[:space:]]ro[[:space:],]" /proc/mounts
[19:56] <MrAureliusR> electrostrong: aha, good to know
[19:56] <MrAureliusR> however, the original issue was that it couldn't *create* that file due to read-only filesystem
[19:56] <MrAureliusR> so I tried touching and chmoding it
[19:59] <MrAureliusR> aha, they changed the location
[20:01] <electrostrong> Is this 22.04?
[20:02] <MrAureliusR> yeah. it's now /var/run/yggdrasil/yggdrasil.sock
[20:03] <electrostrong> Good to know - I'm waiting a bit before doing any upgrades so others can go through the file permission pains :|
[20:27] <ash_worksi> does anyone know what the heck `C-a s` does on gnuscreen?
[20:28] <ash_worksi> nvm
[20:28] <ash_worksi> I don't get it really, but you can break out of the madness with C-a q
[20:28] <sarnold> ash_worksi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_flow_control
[21:12] <ash_worksi> sarnold: thanks, I have a look a little later; I'm sure there's a reason, but it's frustrating when you type something and then stuff just stops working afauct
[21:13] <sarnold> ash_worksi: yeah.. a program I use recently added ^Q to mean "quit", and that's surprisingly easy to hit when I want to use ^W to delete the previous word.. luckily I can unbind ^Q from that application :)
[21:13] <sarnold> ash_worksi: you can use stty to disable xon/xoff terminal handling, if you wish
[21:57] <glestrade> Hi folks, so although this is not my first time around the block, so to speak, with Linux, I'm having a lot of trouble with installing OpenCV for my project, for which I've found a lot of helpful posts online
[21:59] <glestrade> I'm trying to understand what ldconfig is, people are discussing it like it's a necessary step for the G++ linker to find the package config?
[22:00] <glestrade> but there's also an environment variable and an /etc/ld.so.conf file that the linker could potentially use?
[22:00] <glestrade> Trying to understand what's going on here so I'll be better at understanding future issues I might run into.
[22:09] <sarnold> glestrade: most software is packaged these days, and most packaging tools will re-run ldconfig as part of the installation process. most users never know ldconfig exists
[22:10] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: If you're not too accustomed to screen yet, you could try tmux instead.  It's what all the cool kids use.
[22:10]  * jhutchins < Not a cool kid.
[22:15] <XATRIX> Hi,is it possible to disable tegra-hda and snd driver to be loaded on startup ?
[22:15] <XATRIX> I don't see it's loaded as a module
[22:15] <XATRIX> I think it built in into initrd or kernel itself
[22:15] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/DTExqsa.png
[22:16] <XATRIX> I have to disable HDMI sound card output
[22:17] <jhutchins> XATRIX: You can rebuild your own initrd with the drivers you need.  You can blacklist modules so they won't load at startup.
[22:17] <jhutchins> XATRIX: You can also pass arguments to the modules that do load, although there's no guarante that the option you want is covered.
[22:18] <XATRIX> jhutchins: i'm not sure i would like to rebuild initrd, becase of it's nvidia's tegra kernel image. and ubuntu 18.04 LTS. By the way this module isn't loaded as modprobe ..., so no idea if it work if i blacklist it using /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[22:19] <linestar> 1
[23:13] <noarb> I'm trying to configure autoinstall for 22.04. Does cloud-init invoke curtin to do actual storage configuration when installing? Is curtin the current installer, or subiquity, or some other thing?
[23:15] <sarnold> noarb: as I understand it, subiquity drives curtin
[23:23] <noarb> OK, thanks for your help. I think curtin is the correct docs then for autoinstall, cloud-init could use something else with another OS or installer