[09:16] <airurando> good morning
[09:17] <airurando> the 14.04 DVDs arrived this morning. :-)
[09:19] <zmoylan-br_> huzzah
[09:21] <airurando> http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/3550903/in/album/471725
[09:22] <zmoylan-br_> i'm waiting till they fix the log in bug before upgrading a system to 14.04
[09:24] <ebel> ☺
[09:31] <airurando> AndrewMcC: Fancy doing a demo install at the Athy Coderdojo?
[09:32] <airurando> tdr112: I will get a few to TOG through ebel
[09:41] <tdr112>   thanks airurando
[15:38] <airurando> ebel: DVDs on the way
[15:38] <ebel> schweet! thanks
[15:38] <airurando> e-mails sent to coder dojo HQ and Irish Mens shed HQ.
[15:39] <airurando> let us see what happens


[10:16] <dinth> hello. ive compiled ayatana project on Archlinux. unfortunatelly indicator-application doesnt work properly...
[10:17] <dinth> only dropbox unstable uses appindicator, other packages like transmission (2.0.0 version, so it should have appindicator support upstream) are in old system bar
[10:17] <dinth> maybe i should make some .desktop files somewhere? but where ?
[13:00] <kklimonda> dinth: applications has to be recompiled with patches (or flags enabled) to make them use appindicator
[13:58] <dinth> kklimonda: i know, but i have transmission 2.0, which should have already patch integrated upstream ? am i right ?
[13:59] <kklimonda> yes, but it has to be enabled at the compilation time
[14:19] <dinth> aahhh thanks :)
[14:19] <dinth> i didnt know


[12:15] <mhb> xerosis: yes, dual-booting with rEFIt
[12:16] <xerosis> mhb: what do use it for?
[12:17] <mhb> xerosis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook very useful
[12:17] <xerosis> mhb: i meant the mac partition
[12:18] <mhb> xerosis: for OS X :o) I am having most of the media stuff on the local network
[12:18] <xerosis> mhb: ah ok, see i've used my girlfriend mac but i couldn't see anywhere that i'd prefer it over kubuntu, so wasn't sure whether to keep it on
[12:20] <mhb> xerosis: I like to compare OSes, so I did not erase it
[12:20] <xerosis> mhb: how much does a small install take up?
[12:22] <mhb> xerosis: of Kubuntu? around 2 gigs, I never count it.
[12:22] <xerosis> mhb: sorry, meant mac os
[12:23] <mhb> xerosis: no idea. I have my macbook for a week, and the macbook had OS X preinstalled.
[12:23] <xerosis> mhb: ah ok, fair enough
[12:49] <nixternal> hey, anyone noticed that if you remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the system settings monitor section is broke
[01:24] <RadiantFire> why are you deleting xorg.conf?
[01:26] <jriachi> hello
[01:26] <RadiantFire> hello
[01:28] <Tm_T> RadiantFire: why not?
[01:28] <RadiantFire> just for the heck of it seems odd
[01:28] <Tm_T> it doesn't
[01:29] <RadiantFire> k
[01:29] <Tm_T> especially channels like this one it's normal to remove something that system should work without
[01:29] <Tm_T> if nothing else, just to see how it affects
[01:47] <RadiantFire> I guess that means monitor sections reads xorg.conf
[01:48] <Tm_T> prolly
[01:48] <Tm_T> although shouldn't rely on that
[01:48] <Tm_T> when xorg doesn't
[01:51] <RadiantFire> I guess not
[02:43] <jjesse> evening
[02:44] <Tm_T> well hello hello (:
[02:44] <jjesse> hello Tm_T
[02:46] <mhb> early morning here
[02:46] <Tm_T> very early
[02:46] <Tm_T> 0346
[02:47] <jjesse> well then good morning :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> heh
[06:36] <nixternal> where is the kde-systemsettings svn source located?
[06:44] <nixternal> nm, found it
[10:06] <_StefanS_> mornings
[11:20] <Arby> does adept support apt version pinning?
[11:32] <Riddell> no
[11:32] <Riddell> Arby: manchicken|away had started on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyAdeptVersionLocking, but there's no implementation details
[11:35] <Arby> Riddell: thanks, that would explain bug 113846 then.
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113846 in adept "Adept notifier with pinning" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113846
[11:44] <Arby> Riddell: I had a bit of a triaging session on adept bugs yesterday but there are some I need advice on
[11:44] <Arby> who is best to talk to, you or manchicken|away
[11:45] <Arby> (not that I can do anything until I get home from work)
[11:45] <Riddell> either of us
[11:45] <Arby> OK I'll poke one of you this evening
[11:46] <Arby> it's mostly tracebacks that I can't interpret
[11:46] <Arby> there's also a lot that are wihlists but I'm awaiting ubuntu-qa approval to deal with those
[11:50] <Riddell> crashes can mostly go upstream, they shouldn't be our fault
[11:51] <Arby> OK I'll look into it later.
[11:51] <Arby> the adept bug count should come down quite rapidly in the next week or so :)
[01:42] <manchicken_> Someone is looking at implementing version locking?
[01:45] <Arby> manchicken_: no someone reported a bug that it doesn't work
[01:46] <Arby> and I was asking why
[01:46] <Arby> because it hasn't been implemented
[01:49] <manchicken_> Ah.  Yup.  that's a good reason for it to not work :)
[01:49] <manchicken_> Riddell: Have you been committing your latest changes to svn?
[01:49] <manchicken_> Systemsettings looks pretty good from svn right now.
[01:50] <Riddell> manchicken_: yes
[01:50] <manchicken_> Search functionality doesn't work (I'll give a sarcastic "boo-hoo" to that one), but overall things seem to be working and stable.
[01:52] <Riddell> hmm, you sure you're on systemsettings_kde4 there?
[01:52] <manchicken_> Not entirely :)
[01:52] <manchicken_> But it does work.
[01:52] <Riddell> it should look like this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde4-systemsettings.png
[01:52] <manchicken_> Rather well, too.
[01:52] <manchicken_> It's not pretty yet.
[01:52] <manchicken_> Yup.
[01:52] <manchicken_> That's the fella.
[01:53] <manchicken_> The icons thing is just a packaging issue I think, and the ugly rows are because the icon groups aren't at the page level anymore.
[01:53] <Riddell> applying changes doesn't work, you can't go back once you load a module
[01:54] <Riddell> clearly you are using a definition of "stable" that is different from that to which I have been used :)
[01:55] <manchicken_> Didn't say stable ;)
[01:55] <manchicken_> Said looks pretty good :)
[01:55] <manchicken_> A very relative term.
[01:55] <Riddell> "working and stable" you did you did!
[01:55] <manchicken_> Did I?
[01:55] <Riddell> look, it's up there, on that line about boo hoos
[01:55] <manchicken_> Ah.
[01:55] <manchicken_> You've got me.
[01:56] <manchicken_> I s/stable/not crashing/ my previous statement.
[01:57] <manchicken_> Kernel updates are scary.
[01:57] <manchicken_> Will my sound work or not work after this update?
[02:15] <manchicken_> Is fdisk on the live CD?
[02:15] <manchicken_> in a windows executable form?
[02:30] <mhb> manchicken_: will you sound work? who knows. is fdisk on the CD? I doubt it.
[02:30] <mhb> manchicken_: support channels tend to be better at answering this type of questions, though.
[02:31] <manchicken_> mhb: It isn't on there.
[02:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: in what way?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: it "just works"
[02:59] <mhb> Hobbsee: kdesu is really "su-optimized", that's what causes trouble
[03:00] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:00] <mhb> where's Tonio these days? :o)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> he's got a dodgy connection, and is really busy with the french government
[03:01] <Hobbsee> i'm hoping he comes back soonish, as i want the patch that he's produced binaries for, to test it.
[03:08] <mhb> Hobbsee: are you planning to make that k-r-e package?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> mhb: was planning on it.  i've already got a package that i made a couple of days ago
[03:10] <mhb> Hobbsee: there were talks about it for feisty, too, but nobody stepped up and implemented it
[03:10] <Hobbsee> speak of the devil!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: indeed.
[03:10] <Tonio_> hey
[03:10] <Tonio_> I should get my internet connection back home this week......
[03:11] <Tonio_> 7 weeks without internet..... nightmare
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do you have the patch that youv'e used for 3.5.6 debs?  the one about not properly shutting down?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i want to test it on 3.5.7 packages, as i'm getting it too
[03:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yep
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the patch is in gutsy, but doesn't work, it is bash code, not dash code...
[03:13] <Tonio_> I'm fixing this today
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: here is the 3.5.6 patch
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ah right, so you'll do it today, and i wont keep having to kill my laptop?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ahhh.
[03:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do you use gutsy ?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: of course
[03:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: great you'll get the patches now then :)
[03:15] <Tonio_> just wait a bit
[03:15] <Tm_T> you're waiting me?
[03:15] <Tm_T> don't worry, I'm right here
[03:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:16] <Tm_T> shuuush
[03:47] <Tonio_> mhb: ping ?
[03:52] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm here
[03:52] <mhb> Tonio_: what's up?
[03:52] <Tonio_> mhb: just checked the kdesudo work
[03:52] <Tonio_> mhb: you did a second branch ?
[03:53] <mhb> yes, RadiantFire and me are trying to create a better sudo backend for kdesu
[03:54] <mhb> we opened a branch of kdesu, hope you don't mind
[03:56] <Tonio_> no of course
[03:56] <Tonio_> so the idea is to take the kdesudo code and get it in kde directly ?
[03:58] <mhb> Tonio_: yes, more or less
[03:59] <Tonio_> mhb:  good plan
[03:59] <Tonio_> mhb: do you expect to have something ready for gutsy or should we still focs on kdesudo ?
[03:59] <mhb> we (you and everyone else) should focus on kdesudo
[04:01] <Tonio_> mhb: okay
[04:01] <mhb> once (an if) we have the "sudo" backend working, we'll import all the changes from kdesudo
[04:01] <mhb> but it's hard to say, RadiantFire is the brain behind the backend really
[04:01] <Tonio_> mhb: okay and we'll try to get the changes synchronized in the 2 branches for an easy merging
[04:02] <Tonio_> mhb: sounds a very good plan
[04:05] <mhb> Tonio_: kdesudo trunk branch should concentrate on implementing the rest of the parameters kdesu uses
[04:05] <Tonio_> yep that's the only missing thing now
[04:45] <fdoving> Tonio, mhb, i have a patch for kdesudo, adds -s, forget passwords. if you want it.
[04:46] <fdoving> i also changed some single-char qstrings to qchars and QString::null to QString() for cleaner code and qt4 compability.
[04:47] <fdoving> and.. i changed to use pointers instead of values as function arguments.
[04:49] <mhb> fdoving: suprise gifts always cheer me up :o) perhaps you might be interested in joining the kdesudo team, so you can commit it directly.
[04:50] <fdoving> mhb: sure, can't promise anything about how much i can contribute, but i can always join.
[04:50] <fdoving> mhb: http://frode.kde.no/misc/kdesudo_fdoving_01_forget_password.diff
[04:52] <mhb> may I ask what is this change for? -- +    *p << "sudo -S -p passprompt -u " << runas << ' ' <<  cmd;
[04:52] <fdoving> mhb: " " vs ' '
[04:52] <fdoving> mhb: qstring vs qchar.
[04:52] <mhb> yeah, noticed that. What for?
[04:52] <mhb> oh
[04:54] <mhb> fdoving: the patch seems ok, I need to read up on that qstring vs. qchar issue, though.
[04:55] <fdoving> mhb: qchar is faster than qstring. as it's smaller.
[04:56] <fdoving> mhb: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/krazy/reports/playground/sysadmin/kamion/index.html - see check 5.
[04:56] <fdoving> mhb: also check 14.
[04:57] <fdoving> and check 16.
[04:57] <fdoving> those are the ones i touched.
[04:59] <mhb> fdoving: thanks for the links
[05:02] <fdoving> mhb: will you apply this, or should i wait for tonio to approve me?
[05:04] <mhb> fdoving: I guess we should wait, so we can see in bzr who did the cleanup
[05:04] <fdoving> ok :)
[05:04] <mhb> fdoving: speaking of names - the only line I could be against is the copyright line.
[05:05] <fdoving> ok?
[05:05] <fdoving> I add those to anything i touch.
[05:06] <mhb> fdoving: that might not be a good practice - imagine all of the people that contributed to kdelibs or such
[05:06] <mhb> fdoving: I am sure we can get your name in if you want, I'm just not sure if the code itself is a good place for it
[05:07] <fdoving> mhb: ok, an example from khtml: http://rafb.net/p/zvsd2m24.html
[05:07] <fdoving> which is inside kdelibs.
[05:09] <mhb> fdoving: that's the problem with copyrights, once they're in, you can hardly get them out
[05:09] <fdoving> what's the problem with it again?
[05:10] <Tonio_> fdoving: what is the status of the unmountwrapper in gutsy ?
[05:11] <fdoving> Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5331
[05:11] <fdoving> Tonio_: "Thanks. Uploaded" - Lure
[05:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: okay now we have to write the main inclusion thing
[05:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll do that tomorrow with the help of Riddell
[05:12] <fdoving> Tonio_: can't see that it is in though.
[05:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: ah ?
[05:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: pending in the NEW queue ?
[05:12] <fdoving> might be.
[05:13] <fdoving> June 08 13:09  - is when he said "Uploaded"
[05:13] <fdoving> does it take that long?
[05:14] <Riddell> it can do
[05:15] <Hobbsee> can take longer than that...
[05:16] <Riddell> now if only sysadmin would give me my archive account
[05:16] <mhb> fdoving: http://producingoss.com/en/managing-volunteers.html#territoriality
[05:17] <mhb> fdoving: a good read on the topic, at least IMHO.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mhb: where on earth did you fidn taht link?
[05:18] <mhb> Hobbsee: Google sent me that book as a "suprise" for participating in SoC, and I know you can read it online, too.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahhh.  managing volunteers is the book, or it somewhere else?
[05:18] <mhb> Hobbsee: Producing Open-Source Software
[05:19] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[05:19] <Hobbsee> oh right, i see
[05:20] <freeflying> Riddell:  http://www.kubuntu.org.cn/documentation.php --< kubuntu-cn website is coming :)
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the process for a MIR when it is a kubuntu developement, means application mostly untested ?
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a complete review of the code ?
[05:21] <fdoving> mhb: fine.
[05:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, same as anything
[05:21] <Riddell> freeflying: ooh?
[05:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: what is it?
[05:22] <freeflying> Riddell: branch your source and translate it into Chinese  :)
[05:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: the unmountwrapper application by fdoving
[05:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it need to be a separate package?
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: accourding to fdoving yes
[05:24] <Tonio_> fdoving: what is the reason ? I can't recall it :)
[05:24] <Tonio_> s/recall/remember
[05:24] <fdoving> it doesn't -need- to be, but i would prefer it to be.
[05:25] <fdoving> it could probably be added as a patch to kdebase. but i'm not up for that task.
[05:45] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech!
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Was the adept Server freeze bugged?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i dunno :)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> i don tuse adept most of hte time
[05:50] <hunger> Tonio_: Would it be possible to make the kwallet password dialog appear on all virtual desktops?
[05:50] <hunger> Tonio_: I currently have the problem that some apps are blocked while that dialog is active, with it being hidden on some other desktop.
[05:51] <Tonio_> hunger: dunno, hard to guess....
[05:51] <Tonio_> hunger: I'll have a look
[05:51] <hunger> Tonio_: It seems to be enough to set window specific settings for it... at least that seems to work-for-me(TM).
[05:52] <Tonio_> hunger: okay thanks for the tip
[05:52] <Tonio_> should be done via kds then
[05:52] <hunger> kds?
[05:52] <Tonio_> hunger: kubuntu default settings
[05:52] <hunger> Oh, of course.
[05:53] <Tonio_> hunger: I'll be there on thursday and friday, I'll do that then
[05:53] <hunger> Tonio_: Great! You rock!
[05:53] <hunger> Tonio_: Only thought about asking you since there are some "(Default)" entries already in the the window specific settings dialog.
[05:54] <Tonio_> sure
[05:57] <DaSkreech> manchicken__: ping
[05:58] <hunger> Hi DaSkreech
[05:58] <DaSkreech> how goes it?
[05:58] <hunger> Good, good.
[05:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: I am busy with other projects.
[05:59] <DaSkreech> ok cool :)
[05:59] <hunger> DaSkreech: But in fact we will have a meeting about Decibel in a couple of min. I should get some resources after that:-)
[06:00] <DaSkreech> where would that be?
[06:00] <hunger> DaSkreech: Internal to my company.
[06:01] <manchicken__> DaSkreech: Wuddup?
[06:02] <DaSkreech> manchicken: do you monitor adept bugs?
[06:03] <manchicken> Sometimes.
[06:03] <manchicken> I've been a bad kubuntuer and not been hacking much lately.
[06:03] <manchicken> COMPLETELY underestimated how much time pregnant wives require.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: heh.  she deserves your attention
[06:04] <manchicken> Absolutely.
[06:04] <manchicken> I just underestimated that by quite a bit.
[06:04] <manchicken> I thought I'd still be able to have my hacking Saturdays.
[06:04] <manchicken> No such luck.
[06:05] <manchicken> Especially with all of the doctors visits.
[06:05] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Did you have a particular bug in mind?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> manchicken: and foot rubs
[06:06] <manchicken> Yes.  Foot rubs are certainly in the increase.
[06:06] <DaSkreech> manchicken: one where adept freezes when you select a server
[06:06] <manchicken> Well, and I've been putting in more hours at work to keep my boss from getting upset when I have to take off for appointment.
[06:06] <manchicken> appointments*
[06:06] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Does it ever come back?
[06:07] <manchicken> Select a server?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Just get them to pay you for hacking on Kubuntu
[06:07] <manchicken> Could you give me a more specific use case?
[06:07] <manchicken> DaSkreech: We can't all have Tonio_'s job ;)
[06:07] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Adept -> manager repos -> select a server -> find fastest server -> feeze
[06:07] <manchicken> Ooh.
[06:07] <fdoving> DaSkreech: i belive that is software-properties, isn't it?
[06:07] <manchicken> That'd be the python fella that Riddell put together IIRC.
[06:08] <manchicken> That's definitely software-properties.
[06:08] <Tonio_> manchicken: note that at the moment I couldn't really go hacking at home for kubuntu
[06:08] <Tonio_> that'll change starting this week, as the parliament project ended :)
[06:09] <manchicken> Tonio_: You're still a lucky bastage for having an employer who will support your free software endeavors :)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: all of french govt, or just the parliament bit?
[06:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: sure I am :)
[06:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: only the parliament for the moment, which is not that bad
[06:10] <Hobbsee> ah right
[06:14] <mhb> manchicken: hi, hope you are well even without a floss-friendly employer :o)
[06:15] <Riddell> software-properties-kde
[06:15] <manchicken> mhb: It's not that they're not friendly, it's that they want me to only work on their stuff during work hour :)
[06:17] <mhb> manchicken: http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7845/addavisky1.png an idea of how the adept_installer  should look like. Just a mockup, I fear I'll never find the time to implement this one.
[06:17] <Riddell> that pretty well is what it looks like
[06:17] <Riddell> but it needs package description and the like
[06:18] <Riddell> rewriting adept installer in python would be a useful experiment
[06:18] <mhb> Riddell: yes, the widget is the same
[06:18] <mhb> Riddell: the thing is, all the unnecessary stuff has been removed
[06:18] <mhb> Riddell: the menu bar, the bottom bar, categories...
[06:19] <Riddell> package description isn't unnecessary
[06:19] <Riddell> categories are useful for browsing
[06:19] <mhb> Riddell: what do you need browsing for?
[06:19] <manchicken> mhb: I think adept_installer looks okay.
[06:19] <Riddell> mhb: people don't always know what they're after, they should have a way to be able to browse to see what's available without having to look at the list of all packages
[06:20] <manchicken> It needs some more info readily available (kubuntu icon thingy, etc)...
[06:20] <manchicken> And some people don't know that it's called a "web browser"
[06:20] <manchicken> They may think that Firefox IS "the internet"
[06:20] <manchicken> I see so many people who open IE and say they're opening the internet.
[06:20] <DaSkreech> mhb: browsing rocks
[06:21] <mhb> manchicken: yes, and those people have the menu for that
[06:21] <manchicken> I like simplification, but I think that may be over-simplification.
[06:21] <manchicken> mhb: Not if they're trying to install it.
[06:21] <mhb> manchicken: they have "the internet" built in
[06:21] <DaSkreech> mhb: the menu ?
[06:22] <manchicken> mhb: I think you're over-simplifying the issue.
[06:22] <manchicken> mhb: People sometimes only have a vague idea of what they're trying to install.
[06:22] <DaSkreech> mhb: I want to install an app to make mashups
[06:22] <manchicken> I can't tell you how many times I've went in to see what available games are there.
[06:22] <mhb> manchicken: so you write "games".
[06:22] <mhb> manchicken: you get the list.
[06:23] <manchicken> mhb: That is a much tougher search
[06:23] <DaSkreech> manchicken: tags in adept rocks :)
[06:23] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I like them, too.
[06:24] <mhb> Riddell: perhaps, yes. Still, the menu bar and the bottom bar is totally not necessary.
[06:25] <manchicken> mhb: Managing repositories is accessed via menubar...
[06:25] <DaSkreech> manchicken: no it isn't
[06:26] <Riddell> it isn't, but I hope it will be for gutsy
[06:26] <Riddell> Nightrose: how did you get on with any merging?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> mhb: how do you install?
[06:26] <manchicken> Ooh, it's not.  That's ugly.
[06:27] <manchicken> The settings menu is utterly useless.
[06:27] <Nightrose> Riddell: did a packaging with apachelogger on skype but unfortunatly did not have time for more so far
[06:27] <manchicken> And the review changes button is hidden in the View menu.
[06:28] <Riddell> Nightrose: what happened to that package?
[06:29] <mhb> I'll probably write a mini-article about my thoughts
[06:29] <Riddell> blog blog!
[06:29] <Nightrose> Riddell: was kblogger - apachelogger had packaged and uploaded it before - that was just to show me how to do it
[06:30] <Nightrose> hey Hobbsee
[06:31] <Hobbsee> i'm still looking for something to give out to new contributors, too.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> who's doing the restricted manager, and how far did they get?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> xerosis: poke.
[06:32] <Nightrose> jea the big stuff is a little intimidating at first... ;-)
[06:32] <xerosis> Hobbsee: hi
[06:33] <Hobbsee> xerosis: you said you were interested in QT/KDE, right?
[06:33] <xerosis> Hobbsee: i am indeed
[06:33] <Hobbsee> xerosis: have you thought about coding a graphical grub boot config modifier?  ie, a gui to /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[06:33] <xerosis> Hobbsee: sounds a good project...
[06:33] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i believe it's on the wishlist, and i beleive mhb had some form of code.
[06:33] <xerosis> Hobbsee: python would be better non?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> i dont *think* it ever go too far off the ground.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> xerosis: there are pyqt bindings.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> xerosis: which most of our stuff is written in, iirc.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> except for packaging-related bits.
[06:34] <mhb> Hobbsee: of course I do
[06:35] <xerosis> well my python is worse than my C++ but i'd like to learn python so I could give it a go in python and use C++ if i can't
[06:35] <Hobbsee> mhb: have you any plans to work on it, or are you happy to hand over and/or collaborate with xerosis on it?
[06:35] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'll be happy to collaborate
[06:35] <Hobbsee> er, nasty, that's 3 questions in one sentence.
[06:35] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: geek :)
[06:35] <Riddell> grub-config is in KDE SVN along with the rest of guidance
[06:36] <xerosis> mhb: what is is written in?
[06:36] <xerosis> *it
[06:36] <Hobbsee> python, if it's guidance.
[06:36] <mhb> xerosis: python
[06:36] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: huh?
[06:36] <xerosis> mhb: okay
[06:36] <mhb> xerosis: actually, it would be AWESOME if you wanted to help with it
[06:36] <Hobbsee> mhb: yay, thankyou :)
[06:37] <xerosis> mhb: well, like i said my python isn't all that hot, but i'm sure i can pick it up quickly :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: 42 patents
[06:37] <xerosis> mhb: especially as there's already some code
[06:37] <mhb> xerosis: with me you get nonstandard services
[06:37] <xerosis> mhb: oo er
[06:37] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: well, it just popped into my mind when I read an article on pro-linux.de :D
[06:37] <mhb> xerosis: I'm willing to help you anytime
[06:37] <mhb> xerosis: and with anything
[06:38] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: hence me labeling you a geek :-)
[06:38] <DaSkreech> cause and effect
[06:40] <apachelogger> is ok for me
[06:40] <apachelogger> huh... people use to consider me as nerd... anyway ;-)
[06:40] <manchicken> Anybody know why my number pad is controlling my mouse?
[06:41] <apachelogger> manchicken: you told it to
[06:41] <apachelogger> in the mouse kcm
[06:42] <Riddell> Nightrose: you can browse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging
[06:42] <Riddell> Nightrose: I see an entry for klogshow there, although apachelogger says he's going to work on it (just steal it while he's not looking if you want)
[06:42] <Nightrose> ah thx Riddell - will have a look
[06:43] <Nightrose> hehe will try
[06:43] <apachelogger> ^_^
[06:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/
[06:43] <apachelogger> have a look at the needs packaging
[06:43] <apachelogger> just grabbed some kde apps
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any thoughts on getting Nightrose to fix okular?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: as in, any good reason not to touch it?
[06:44] <manchicken> apachelogger: I would argue that I didn't, but as long as it stops, I don't care :)
[06:44] <Nightrose> k apachelogger
[06:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure, she's welcome to it
[06:44] <apachelogger> manchicken: kcmshell mouse -> tab navigation
[06:44] <Riddell> but okular probably needs a kdelibs that matches whenever the last okular release was
[06:44] <manchicken> apachelogger: The "Move pointer with keyboard" option is not checked.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: all it's showing is...
[06:44] <Hobbsee> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:44] <Hobbsee>   okular: Depends: libgs-esp8 but it is not installable
[06:44] <Hobbsee>           Depends: libpoppler1-qt4 but it is not installable
[06:44] <Hobbsee> E: Broken packages
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so unless it fails to build as well...
[06:45] <apachelogger> manchicken: so it's something low level
[06:45] <apachelogger> meaning lower level than kde
[06:45] <apachelogger> or maybe higher?!
[06:45] <manchicken> Figured that out :)
[06:45] <Nightrose> I'll have a look at one of apachelogger packages
[06:45] <apachelogger> <-- kde geek, as DaSkreech would say
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yes, i see what you mean.
[06:46] <manchicken> Don't know what it would be.
[06:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: klogshow might be a good idea
[06:46] <Nightrose> k
[06:46] <apachelogger> didn't look too complicate at first
[06:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:46] <Hobbsee> she can pick any and all :P
[06:47] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: that's a geeK
[06:47] <apachelogger> ah
[06:47] <apachelogger> indeed
[06:47] <apachelogger> ;P
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ooh, cmake has a pretty build system
[06:53] <Hobbsee> it has colour!
[06:53] <Hobbsee> (ooh, shiny)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> and percentages.  way cool!
[07:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh fudge.  this fails.  perhaps upload the failed version, so you can merge off that?
[07:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's that?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've fixed a few build deps for okular, but you're right, it needs a newer kdelibs.  want me to just upload the broken one anyway, so that someone doesnt have to work out that bit of the transition, with the newer kdelibs?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> there's no net loss - it's still not installable.
[07:08] <Riddell> yeah, why not
[07:08] <Hobbsee> :D
[07:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: feels weird, uploading a source package that i *know* is going to fail.
[07:16] <DaSkreech> nixternal: what is the rant about?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: his love of vista
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Or the DMCA
[07:21] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> so much for pretending not to be listening to their conversation...
[07:32] <DaSkreech> !w32
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <DaSkreech> !w32codecs
[07:32] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:45] <nixternal> !nixternal
[07:45] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!
[07:45] <nixternal> muhahahahaha
[07:46] <nixternal> more like the "pointy-clicky XP user because school makes him use it, hater has arrived"
[07:46] <nixternal> yup
[07:46] <nixternal> although, KDE did fix previous Kicker issues with Beryl
[07:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I would send them to Beryl for 2 reasons, 1) it is Beryl's fault, and 2) KDE isn't going to fix any more composite bugs before KDE 4 since they aren't grave
[07:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, i'm currently whining at racarr about it
[07:48] <nixternal> unless we are going to start patching KDE 3.5.x releases for Kubuntu
[07:48] <nixternal> even then, I don't think we have the manpower to handle such feats
[07:48] <xerosis> Hobbsee: i did that but got told to change it back to kicker :p
[07:49] <Hobbsee> this is a big cloud of SEP :P
[07:49] <nixternal> ya, but when Hobbsee says something, they listen! :)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:49] <xerosis> the bug was completely about beryl apart from the backtrace...
[07:49] <Hobbsee> true that
[07:49] <nixternal> actually, I had one person listen to me in a bug report, and he did exactly what I asked..for that I am grateful
[07:49] <Hobbsee> it's a bug in kicker that beryl exposes, that doesnt happen under kde
[07:49] <Hobbsee> er, kwin
[07:49] <Hobbsee> i've seen it before
[07:50] <nixternal> he wanted us to implement NSCD to speed of Konqui..which we aren't going to do ootb because of the conflicts with samba for one
[07:50] <xerosis> Hobbsee: btw, thanks for the tip on grub-config
[07:50] <nixternal> so I said, that isn't going to happen, we could possible get a "Disable KDE IPv6" gui at the most
[07:50] <Hobbsee> xerosis: no problem
[07:51] <nixternal> which I have started working on..learning python while doing it...although I am unclear about the os.putenv and how it works exactly
[07:51] <xerosis> Hobbsee: i'm back from uni for the summer, was dying to do something :)
[07:51] <xerosis> nixternal: same, i'm learning as i go...
[07:51] <nixternal> I can temporarily change the env for KDE_NO_IPV6=TRUE with os.environ
[07:51] <nixternal> but it would be nice to be able to set a permanent env setting for a user with it...I will learn it soon I am sure
[07:52] <Hobbsee> xerosis: woo :)
[07:53] <pygi> hey nixternal
[07:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: or at least they sort of listen.
[07:56] <nixternal> hiya pygi
[07:56] <pygi> how are you doing? :)
[08:22] <fdoving> nixternal: i belive permanently changing the env would include writing to some shell-rc file. like .bash_profile, but in order for new environment settings to become usable for most apps, the user needs to re-login.
[08:28] <Arby> manchicken: Riddell: got time to advise on some adept bug triage
[08:28] <Arby> first up bug 62475
[08:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475
[08:28] <Arby> can that be closed since there is a fix attached?
[08:29] <Arby> i.e. has the fix made it into adept yet?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> Arby: not unless the person who's uploaded hte fix to the archives has marked it as such
[08:29] <Hobbsee> ie, no
[08:29] <Arby> OK
[08:30] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[08:30] <Hobbsee> looking at that, i dunno.  as manchicken is the standard person for it
[08:30] <Arby> yes it's him who attached the fix
[08:30] <Hobbsee> you'll have to wait for him to answer - but i wouldnt close that, in current state
[08:31] <Arby> Hobbsee: OK, I have plenty more to work on :)
[08:42] <xerosis> Arby: don't steal all the bugs before hug day :p
[08:43] <Arby> xerosis: unfortunately I don't have a lot of time on hug day
[08:43] <Arby> so I'm getting in early :)
[08:43] <xerosis> Arby: i'll let you off then...
[08:45] <fdoving> nixternal: nice blog about dmca-stuff, i so agree.
[08:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:45] <Hobbsee> there's enough bugs for everyone....
[08:45] <nixternal> hey, don't view that site with Konqui...that nixforce is loaded with ads within everyones posts...konqui doesn't show them :)
[08:45] <Hobbsee> there's still 130K of them.
[08:45] <xerosis> Hobbsee: yeah but they'll all the the leftovers :p
[08:46] <xerosis> s/the/be
[08:46] <Hobbsee> bah
[08:46] <Hobbsee> i'm sure you can find something interesting in them
[08:47] <Arby> adept has over a hundred but I'm working on that :)
[08:47] <xerosis> have you ever tried explaining bug triage to anyone outside of linux?
[08:47] <xerosis> blank faces all round
[08:47] <Hobbsee> sure.  mozilla.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> note:  you said linux, not open source
[08:48] <xerosis> you know what i mean :p
[08:48] <Hobbsee> in fact, i learned bug triage from mozilla.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> doing it on windows.
[08:48] <xerosis> i meant non-nerds
[08:48] <Hobbsee> there are some very nerdy windows users </pedant>
[08:49] <Hobbsee> hehehhehehe
[08:49] <Hobbsee> i'd imagine it happens lots in propriatory softwrae too
[08:50] <xerosis> i meant family int he first instance...
[08:50] <Hobbsee> oh right
[08:50] <xerosis> not that it matters now :p
[08:51] <pygi> kwwii, !!! :)
[08:51] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:52] <kwwii> hi pygi
[08:52] <pygi> hey, how are you? :)
[08:52] <kwwii> somewhat sick still, but other than that, good
[08:52] <pygi> ehm, get well
[08:52] <kwwii> and you?
[08:52] <pygi> tired, busy and stuff
[08:52] <pygi> too much work to do :(
[08:53] <kwwii> yeah, well, I am on a business trip atm, so no real chance to get better yet
[08:53] <pygi> and 5 exams this week :P
[08:53] <pygi> hehe
[08:53] <kwwii> ouch, 5 is probably 4 too many
[08:53] <Hobbsee> how's it almsot 5am again?
[08:54] <pygi> kwwii, yea , well :)
[08:54] <pygi> and mostly silly subjects which I dont like
[08:54] <pygi> like law :P
[08:57] <kwwii> hehe, you can make good money learning the law
[08:57] <pygi> perhaps, but meh, useless :)
[08:57] <apachelogger> pygi: ha! accounting and tax law for me tomorrow :P
[08:58] <pygi> apachelogger, informatics law here wednesday exam
[08:58] <pygi> tomorrow is math
[08:58] <apachelogger> wednesday is biology and german :D
[08:58] <pygi> tuesday is informatics and statistics
[08:58] <pygi> and saturday is organization
[08:58] <pygi> xerosis, I'll do similar :P
[08:59] <xerosis> i had a prolog exam :(:(
[08:59] <pygi> lol
[09:02] <pygi> nice :P
[09:02] <pygi> apachelogger, you know something right? Unlike me? :)
[09:05] <apachelogger> pygi: not so sure about that :S
[09:05] <pygi> apachelogger, I didnt look math, and that's my second time at that exam
[09:08] <apachelogger> pygi: account is also 2nd time :S
[09:09] <apachelogger> last exam was right after linuxtag
[09:09] <apachelogger> so I had no change to learn anything
[09:09] <pygi> apachelogger, that is in my second semester
[09:09] <pygi> I still have to pass first one :P
[09:09] <apachelogger> luckily I got permission to do it again :D
[09:09] <apachelogger> pygi: hehe
[09:09] <pygi> (tho I did listen to the accounting classes)
[09:10] <pygi> apachelogger, don't you have right to take each exam 3+1 times?
[09:11] <apachelogger> nope
[09:11] <pygi> hm, how come?
[09:11] <apachelogger> austrian school system :P
[09:11] <pygi> meh
[09:11] <pygi> I have 3+1 times to pass an exam
[09:12] <pygi> and I still won't pass :p
[09:12] <apachelogger> well... :P
[09:12] <pygi> what? :)
[09:14] <apachelogger> nothing
[09:14] <pygi> hehe :)
[09:14] <apachelogger> should continue learning
[09:14] <apachelogger> on the other hand
[09:14] <apachelogger> listening to music is lots more fun :D
[09:15] <pygi> I agree :P
[09:36] <Arby> can anyone tell me if bug 95955 is actually a bug or is adept supposed to behave that way
[09:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95955 in adept "Adept Manager doesn't keep changes to UI" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95955
[09:42] <xerosis> doesn't sound like a bug to me :/
[09:42] <xerosis> but don't take my word for it
[09:45] <Arby> no it doesn't sound like a bug to me either
[09:45] <Arby> I was just hoping to check with soemone who knows the intended behaviour
[09:46] <xerosis> it's not an important enough part of the UI to expect changes to be saved
[09:46] <xerosis> manchicken__ will know
[09:46] <Arby> manchicken__: got a minute to look at that ^^ bug?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> yay! Net
[10:28] <xerosis> has the default font/size changed in gutsy?
[11:08] <manchicken__> Arby: I'll look at it now, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do anything on it just yet.
[11:09] <Arby> manchicken__: thanks, I just needed confirmation if that is expected behaviour or an actual bug.
[11:09] <manchicken__> Arby: Expected behavior.
[11:10] <manchicken__> I agree with the user that that behavior would be desirable, but it's simply not there yet.
[11:10] <Arby> right that's all I needed to know.
[11:10] <Arby> there are a stack of adept bugs that should be wishlist
[11:11] <Arby> but I'm not ubuntu-qa so I can't do that
[11:11] <manchicken__> Welcome to the reason why I don't like looking at the adept list :)
[11:11] <Arby> I'd be happy to do it if I could
[11:11] <manchicken__> Also, you have to love the ones that are really dpkg issues, or even better, package issues.
[11:11] <Arby> I spent most of yesterday triaging adept bugs
[11:11] <manchicken__> Good.
[11:12] <manchicken__> Someone needs to... Lord knows I lack the patience.
[11:12] <Arby> happy to do it if you're happy to fill the gaps in my knowledge
[11:12] <Arby> and I'm working on getting u-qa
[11:13] <Arby> to clean up the wishlist
[11:15] <Arby> manchicken__: another one that could possibly be closed is bug 62475
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475
[11:15] <Arby> it has a fix on it from you.
[11:16] <Arby> can that be marked fix released/
[11:16] <Arby> or is it still in progress?
[11:17] <manchicken__> I think this one went live with feisty.
[11:17] <manchicken__> Not completely sure.
[11:17] <Arby> well the view menu definitely works on my feisty
[11:17] <manchicken__> I just verified that the fix is in.
[11:17] <manchicken__> That's a closed one.
[11:17] <Arby> hooray
[11:18] <Arby> adept bugs -1 :)
[11:18] <manchicken__> Maybe even make a wishlist post for making that smarter?
[11:18] <manchicken__> Dunno.
[11:18] <Arby> your call, it's your fix.
[11:18] <Arby> I'm about to close it unless you want it wishlisted
[11:19] <xerosis> Arby: ubuntu-qa only needs 5 bugs or something small
[11:19] <Arby> xerosis: I know just had a conversation with bdmurray and sent him my five :)
[11:22] <Arby> manchicken__: closing that bug as fix released.
[11:22] <manchicken__> Righto
[11:26] <Arby> hooray that brings the adept bug list under 100.
[11:28] <manchicken__> Yay!  We should have a party.
[11:33] <manchicken__> Arby: You can call me manchicken ;)
[11:33] <manchicken__> no need for formality :)
[11:33] <manchicken> I think more people know me as manchicken than by my real name anyway.
[11:34] <Arby> yeah it still seems odd referring to people by irc nicks outside irc
[11:34] <mhb> sure thing, Michael
[11:34] <manchicken> I half-jokingly called the court clerk to see if I could change my name to "manchicken" one time.  She hung up on me.
[11:34] <crimsun> really?  They said I could add "crimsun" to mine, but I declined.
[11:35] <Arby> having said that I find myself responding to arby in real life a lot more
[11:35] <Arby> especially in geek company
[11:41] <xerosis> annoyingly all my real-life nicks were taken on irc :(
[11:42] <mhb> well, now I know Richard's name, too
[11:43] <Arby> indeed :)
[11:44] <Arby> Rich to my friends, which includes everybody here.
[11:46] <Arby> quick look at bug 116700 anyone , are those traces missing debugging symbols or are they meant to be like that?
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116700 in adept "when KDE starts the Programm is crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116700
[11:53] <mhb> Arby: missing, I'd say
[11:53] <Arby> mhb: right thanks


[00:11] <wgrant> lifeless: I see you added Intrepid to dev.lp.net/FAQ. LP is no longer supported on Intrepid, so it is tempting to remove it.
[00:15] <lifeless> wgrant: go for it
[00:15] <lifeless> wgrant: I was only making the bzr recommendation more complete
[00:15] <wgrant> lifeless: I've replaced it with Hardy.
[00:16] <lifeless> recommending 1.17 was nuts
[00:16] <lifeless> :)
[01:14] <thumper> btw, it is a public holiday in nz today :)
[01:17] <lifeless> gstq?
[03:23] <rockstar> mwhudson, around?
[06:12] <al-maisan> Good morning
[07:12] <MTecknology> so... now I see why that project I was going to work on got "fast-tracked"
[07:12] <MTecknology> hopefully I can still help out :)
[07:17] <wgrant> What got fasttracked?
[07:17] <MTecknology> the upstream bug forwarding
[08:23] <adeuring> good morning
[08:26] <al-maisan> moin adeuring
[08:27] <adeuring> hi al-maisan!
[09:14] <mrevell> Morning!
[10:00] <deryck> Morning, all.
[10:32] <mrevell> deryck: Are you lot still on summer time?
[10:33] <deryck> mrevell, yes, until this coming weekend, I believe.
[10:33] <mrevell> deryck: Ah, that explains why you seem to be an hour early :)
[10:34] <deryck> mrevell, :)
[10:35] <deryck> I almost got up an hour earlier today, too.  That would have really messed with you.
[10:36] <mrevell> :)
[10:48] <BjornT_> deryck: gmb is away this week, right? could you please take a look at my post-merge review of r9757 that i sent to launchpad-dev? it needs some attention, since it might break the JS in some browsers.
[10:48] <deryck> BjornT_, sure, I can look at that.
[10:50] <deryck> BjornT_, yeah, I'll fix that today.
[10:51] <wgrant> No bigjools today?
[10:52] <noodles775> wgrant: he won't be available until next Monday.
[10:52] <wgrant> noodles775: Ah, thanks.
[13:05] <gary_poster> barry: morning. :-) should I send out the sprint announcement email?  Do you have anything to add?
[13:08] <barry> gary_poster: i sent it out on saturday (i thought)
[13:09] <gary_poster> barry, oh you did!  sorry, I was trying to keep an eye out for it but missed it.  thank you!
[13:09] <barry> np!  please add anything i missed
[13:12] <gary_poster> :-) looks good to me
[13:15] <barry> thanks!  can't wait for it to land :)
[13:24]  * mrevell --> rebooting
[13:52] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: the solution I had for aligning things to the right conditionally is the table-actions css class. Its basic structure is

. If the table doesn't exist, the links are aligned to the left, otherwise to the right.
[13:52] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: you can see an example of this for the "Create milestone" link on https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/2.1 and https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/trunk
[13:53] <intellectronica> so i'm trying to hack on karmic, but i don't seem to have the module cProfile. does anyone know which package i need to install? also, what needs to be fixed for it to be installed as a dependency?
[13:59] <BjornT_> intellectronica: cProfile.py is a symlink in lib/
[13:59] <intellectronica> hmmmm ... interesting, so why am i missing it?
[14:05] <BjornT_> intellectronica: where does the symlink point to? does that file exist?
[14:29] <barry> bac: it's been 2 weeks since i did a 'make schema'.  does it ever end?  vacuuming steps are taking FOREVER
[14:31] <leonardr> barry, i have a wsgi question
[14:31] <leonardr> i've defined a class that implements a 3-argument __call__
[14:32] <leonardr> then instantiated the class and passed the instance in to wsgi_intercept as a wsgi application
[14:32] <leonardr> my __call__ is being triggered, but only one argument is being passed in (Self)
[14:32] <leonardr> this goes against what i know about wsgi and other wsgi code i've written
[14:32] <leonardr> do you know what might be wrong?
[14:34] <barry> leonardr: off-hand i don't.  i'd be happy to look into it with you if you want
[14:36] <leonardr> barry: i'll commit and push
[14:36] <barry> leonardr: okay
[14:39] <stub> barry: define FOREVER?
[14:40] <leonardr> barry: lp:~leonardr/launchpadlib/wsgi-fake-launchpad
[14:40] <leonardr> the wsgi class is defined in testing/helpers.py
[14:40] <leonardr> set up in tests/test_browser.py
[14:43] <barry> stub: an hour at least so far
[14:43] <barry> leonardr: grabbing
[14:44] <jml> hey guys
[14:44] <stub> barry: That is very broken. I recommend rebuilding the database, as alternative methods of recovery will also likely take hours.
[14:44] <jml> I've linked to a non-existing page https://dev.launchpad.net/UserStories
[14:44] <barry> stub:  is rocketfuel-setup enough to do that?
[14:44] <jml> I think it would be a good idea to edit that page to provide a general description of what user stories are and how we use them.
[14:44] <jml> flacoste, ^^
[14:46] <stub> barry: Doesn't look like it.
[14:46] <flacoste> jml: ok, i can have a stab at it this afternoon
[14:46] <barry> stub: okay.  i know there's a wiki page with the gory details.  will check that; thanks
[14:48] <jml> flacoste, thanks.
[14:48] <stub> barry: https://dev.launchpad.net/DatabaseSetup , step 4 is what you want I think
[14:48] <barry> stub: awesome, thanks
[14:49] <stub> barry: And the subsequent steps too
[14:54] <deryck> leonardr, ping
[14:54] <leonardr> deryck: hello
[14:55] <deryck> leonardr, hi.  in the js client I've got lint warnings with for-in constructions, in lines unrelated to my changes.  Easy to fix, but wanted to check with you first.  See: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302098/
[14:56] <deryck> leonardr, just wanted to make sure this wasn't intentionally left out, before I fixed it. :)
[14:56] <leonardr> deryck, i don't see a problem with fixing that
[14:57] <deryck> leonardr, cool, thanks.
[15:00] <barry> leonardr: going on a c/c so it might be a little while
[15:01] <leonardr> barry, ok
[15:05] <bac> sinzui: i opened bug 461164 to track the +download issue.  i didn't include your comments on the design decision as it is outside the scope of this fix.
[15:05] <mup> Bug #461164: Project +download page has extra vertical space <Launchpad Registry:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/461164>
[15:06] <leonardr> barry, i think i'm misusing wsgi_intercept
[15:06] <sinzui> bac: That is a prudent decision. Thanks
[15:15] <leonardr> barry: yes, i've solved it
[15:16] <barry> leonardr: great!  glad i could "help" ;)
[15:52] <bac> sinzui: in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/461164 i don't understand the issue with breadcrumbs
[15:52] <mup> Bug #461164: Project +download page has extra vertical space <Launchpad Registry:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/461164>
[15:53] <sinzui> bac there is an xmlns on the ol. This implies that the template did not declare the namespace, so it was not stripped
[15:54]  * sinzui cannot find what renders the breadcrumb

[15:55] <bac> sinzui: every template i've looked at has that problem:  product-index and person-index
[15:55] <bac> sinzui: check out https://edge.launchpad.net/~bac
[15:56] <sinzui> yes, it is a universsal screwup
[15:56] <jml> MTecknology, hi
[15:57] <bac> sinzui: but the templates all start with xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
[15:58] <sinzui> I do not think @@+hierarchy does
[15:58] <MTecknology> jml: g'morning
[15:58] <sinzui> actually, launchpad-hierarchy does, but something must be wrong since it is not handled like other pages
[15:58] <jml> MTecknology, how's things?
[15:59] <MTecknology> jml: good, you?
[15:59] <jml> MTecknology, good :) wishing I were spending more time in emacs and less time in GMail :)
[16:00] <MTecknology> emacs ... makes little children in nigeria sad
[16:00] <jml> MTecknology, Uganda, I think you'll find.
[16:00] <MTecknology> :P
[16:00] <jml> MTecknology, how's the project going?
[16:01] <MTecknology> which one?
[16:01] <MTecknology> the bug forwarding?
[16:01] <jml> MTecknology, well, the uni project in general
[16:01] <MTecknology> so far they're still pending approval at the state
[16:02] <sinzui> bac: I would not spend more than 15 more minutes fixing the breadcrumb namespace. It is a separate problem, and I do not see anything obvious in the template
[16:02] <jml> MTecknology, ahh ok.
[16:03] <MTecknology> jml: Since you guys are taking up that module, by part in it won't be so bad. I just need to keep up on what's going on and do my best to help out in a few places and make nice pretty reports
[16:04] <MTecknology> not module, project
[16:04] <MTecknology> I've been messing with modules for ~20hr so far this week
[16:05] <barry> stub: something's still broken.  i believe i've done all the steps on DatabaseSetup.  'make schema' runs cleanly.  'make run' fails: http://paste.ubuntu.com/302138/
[16:07] <stub> barry: Did you add the listed chunk to the *top* of pg_hba.conf, and did you 'pg_ctlcluster 8.3 main reload' ?
[16:07] <MTecknology> jml: how busy you been?
[16:07] <stub> (top == first uncommented line of course)
[16:09] <barry> stub: um.  i did now. ;)  thanks!  it's working
[16:45] <jml> MTecknology, more than usual :)
[16:46] <MTecknology> jml: it's that gosh darned stock market i tellz u; it makes the world so so busy :P
[16:47] <jml> MTecknology, heh
[16:47] <MTecknology> apparently I don't get to slack off my senior year in college..
[16:47] <jml> MTecknology, what is this world coming to!
[16:47] <MTecknology> like, i know; right?
[16:48] <MTecknology> I just need to learn how to set priorities and learn that sleep can't be the last or the one I mark 'when unavoidable' :P
[16:48] <MTecknology> I say this while I chat online instead of paying attention in class
[16:49] <MTecknology> food time - ttayl
[16:52] <jml> MTecknology, ciao
[18:04] <jml> g'night all
[18:12] <mrevell> nytol
[18:55] <MTecknology> ciao?
[19:12] <mwhudson> good morning
[19:25] <barry> sinzui: is this what you had in mind for bug 436503?  http://people.canonical.com/~barry/public.png http://people.canonical.com/~barry/private.png ?
[19:25] <mup> Bug #436503: Team privacy portlet inconsistent with the rest <post-3-ui-cleanup> <trivial> <Launchpad Registry:Triaged by barry> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/436503>
[19:26] <sinzui> Something is wrong
[19:26] <sinzui> ah!
[19:26] <sinzui> barry: we have two problems
[19:27] <sinzui> barry: Your example shows something that we said we would remove months ago
[19:28] <sinzui> barry: Can you provide an example or a Private team? We really need to drop private membership teams next week
[19:28] <barry> sinzui: this bug is all about the ui
[19:28] <sinzui> barry: I was expecting to see private in bold like we show private bugs, then I realised your example was not a private team
[19:28] <sinzui> barry: yes, but your example is not a private team
[19:29] <barry> sinzui: http://launchpad.dev/~myteam (well, it's a private membership team)
[19:30] <sinzui> barry: private-membership should not exist we suck we said we would remove them in June. We double suck
[19:30] <sinzui> barry: please show me an example of a TRUE private team
[19:30]  * sinzui does not want to design for something that should not exist
[19:30] <barry> sinzui: http://people.canonical.com/~barry/realprivate.png
[19:32] <barry> sinzui: the ui changes are fairly simple and apply to all three PersonVisibility states
[19:32] <sinzui> barry: the formatting is fixed, but that does not tell me it is private. I need to read the CSS to know what is happening. What does it take to say "Private team"
[19:33] <barry> sinzui: do you still want it to also say "Viewable by team members" or delete that text and /just/ say "Private team"?
[19:34] <sinzui> barry: that first part certainly is an understatement. Because the name is not knowable either
[19:34] <sinzui> We do not say for private bugs: this bug is only viewable to subscribers
[19:34] <sinzui> maybe we should do that though.
[19:35] <barry> sinzui: i'd have to ask bac but i think that extra explanatory text for teams is there because no one really understand what a private membership team is.  ripping those out seems out of scope for this particular bug <wink>
[19:35] <barry> sinzui: so i think we have a few ui choices here.
[19:36] <sinzui> barry:  do you think we should state state <Public|Private> <object>. This <object> is visible to <subscribers|members|Illuminati>
[19:36] <barry> sinzui: one possibility is that the text could just say "Public team" "Private team" "Private membership team" and have a help popup that contains that little explanatory text
[19:37] <barry> sinzui: i'm not sure that it's always helpful to do that, no.  but on a help popup or balloon text, maybe so
[19:37] <barry> sinzui: i would opt for keeping things simple on the page and elaborating in secondary text, e.g. (?) help
[19:39] <sinzui> barry: I think the formatting that you are most concerned about is fine. I would prefer that the private team state is private, but I recognise that is a separate issue. r=me for the format change
[19:40] <barry> sinzui: that's r=me for the screen shots i just posted? no additional change necessary?
[19:41] <rockstar> Good morning mwhudson.
[19:42] <sinzui> No. other changes. We need consistent messaging about what public/private and what that means to the users. That is a separate bug that affects all apps.
[19:42] <barry> sinzui: +1
[19:42]  * barry makes the tests pass
[19:43] <sinzui> barry: ! destroy any story test that is checking markup.
[19:44] <barry> sinzui: good idea
[19:44] <sinzui> barry: Since we agreed to change the format, not the message, any test that  fails needs to made robust in case we change the formatting again
[19:45] <barry> sinzui: note, we did slightly change the message.  for non-public teams it no longer prints the big fat

[19:45] <barry> sinzui: but yes, i will make sure the tests are sane
[19:46] <sinzui> barry: stories do not check markup.
[19:46] <sinzui> barry: One of the goals of the 3.0 conversion was to remove any story that checks implementation details
[19:46] <barry> sinzui: right.  well, we'll see what tests fail
[19:48] <barry> sinzui: btw, i know what i want to work on next.  remember what i did for projects?  go to http://launchpad.net/~sinzui/+edit and scroll to the bottom of the page
[19:51] <sinzui> barry: We need a bug. If you do that, can you also fix bug 113562, bug 273180, and bug 430680
[19:51] <mup> Bug #113562: "Change Branding" is unclear for people <post-3-ui-cleanup> <story-logos> <ui> <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/113562>
[19:51] <mup> Bug #273180: 64x64 team branding image woes <post-3-ui-cleanup> <story-logos> <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/273180>
[19:51] <mup> Bug #430680: IPerson's +edithomepage is redundant <post-3-ui-cleanup> <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/430680>
[19:53] <barry> sinzui: +1
[19:54] <sinzui> fab
[19:55] <sinzui> barry:  the "woes" bug just requires that we explain where the images are used. We do not use an icon for a person today, but that may happen.
[20:01] <thumper> morning
[20:07] <rockstar> thumper, morning.
[20:07] <rockstar> thumper, was there a holiday in NZ yesterday?
[20:08] <thumper> yep
[20:08] <thumper> labour day
[20:08] <rockstar> thumper, ah.
[20:16] <mwhudson> thumper: again
[20:19] <rockstar> thumper, on the plus side, it didn't sound like we had a delay.  :)
[20:19] <mwhudson> rockstar: i could hear you
[20:19] <rockstar> thumper, shall I try and call?
[20:19] <mwhudson> rockstar: but all thumper heard was plinky noises
[20:19] <thumper> rockstar: yeah, or abentley
[20:19] <thumper> rockstar: you try and see what you get
[20:37] <thumper> abentley: still on for our normal chat?
[20:37] <abentley> thumper: Sure.
[20:44] <intellectronica> thumper: morning
[20:44] <thumper> intellectronica: morning
[20:45] <intellectronica> thumper: i hear you're finding difficulties getting up and running with integrating lazr-js widgets. i wanted to offer my help and more importantly, suggest that we work together on documenting the process for future generations
[20:46] <thumper> intellectronica: on a call right now]
[20:46] <wgrant> intellectronica: Can you land that branch for me?
[20:47] <intellectronica> wgrant: oh, of course! i completely forgot that you need that landed by someone
[20:47] <wgrant> intellectronica: Thanks/
[20:55] <intellectronica> wgrant: what commit message should i use?
[20:56] <intellectronica> wgrant: it will take a bit, since i need to run the test suite on it first, b.t.w
[20:57] <wgrant> intellectronica: 'Add IArchive.debug_archive, pointing to the corresponding debug archive.', I suppose. Thanks.
[21:06] <thumper> https://help.launchpad.net/HelpRotation
[21:07] <thumper> mwhudson: you might want to choose a week before one is chosen for you :)
[21:12] <mwhudson> thumper: done
[21:34] <barry> bac: ping
[21:34] <bac> hi barry
[21:34] <barry> bac: hi.  are you ocr tomorrow?
[21:34] <bac> barry: yes
[21:35] <barry> bac: great!  i'll save this one for you.  it's easy; related to team visibility
[21:50] <bac> barry: that's great.  get it to me early, though.
[22:37] <MTecknology> Can we add a feature to LP so that after the bug report gets to be 100 lines long (where it breaks off and stops displaying all comments) when they add a comment thy will get this big massive page pop up that takes over their entire keyboard and screen and mouse and says "Are you sure this IS NOT a 'me too' post?" and then a description below and forces them to stare at it for 5min and then scroll through every comment says "no
[23:34] <mwhudson> thumper: i notice a passing commit that makes Distribution.serieses a cachedproperty
[23:34] <mwhudson> thumper: does this mean that there's a hack that can be deleted in branchlisting.py ?


[00:33] <christel> daftykins: OOPS
[00:33] <christel> :D
[00:36]  * daftykins takes notes
[00:38] <zmoylan-pi> lotus notes? :-)
[00:38] <daftykins> i don't think i've seen that ever!
[00:39] <zmoylan-pi> i got a demo from high ibm rep in ireland... it was beautiful, elegant and did what it did very efficently.  i then asked what's the point of it? didn't go well after that...
[00:40] <daftykins> oops
[00:41] <zmoylan-pi> well the person i was assisting was a single person and had no real need of a database synced across multiple users, sites around the planet
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> they were using a database for that but were barely touching large parts of that
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> database for notes
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> they could have used a million tools for wordperfect document to do the job as well
[01:35] <daftykins> nn \o
[01:39] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[03:05] <mapps> hm
[03:05] <mapps> im in Tarifa atm
[04:56] <mapps> this hand of god doesnt sem that hood
[04:56] <mapps> *seem
[04:57] <mapps> *good damnit
[06:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:00] <knightwise> good morning brobostigon
[07:01] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[07:40] <knightwise> Yawn-stretch-trycomealive
[07:53] <popey> Morning
[07:56] <brobostigon> morning popey
[08:08] <knightwise> hmm.. just had a friend explain to me how easy it is to dual boot Ubuntu on a chromebook
[08:08] <knightwise> even without using Chroots
[08:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy World Humanitarian Day! 😃
[09:16] <BigRedS> Gooood Morning!
[09:19] <lornajane> happy friday :)
[09:24] <davmor2> JamesTait: Obvious really https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PWk3i9WT-8
[09:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWP6Qki8mWc might be longer
[10:19] <lornajane> can anyone lend me a hand with a simple systemd question please?
[11:32] <davmor2> lornajane: ask if we can help we will
[11:36] <lornajane> davmor2: thanks, I think I got past the initial problems but I still have services that fail when they are started on boot, but start fine if I start them later on
[11:36] <lornajane> also I provision this VM with ansible and I am struggling to get the right files into the right locations but perhaps I'm close with that one
[11:38] <davmor2> lornajane: what version of ubuntu
[11:41] <lornajane> 16.04
[11:56] <lornajane> basically I am starting lots of services (a gunicorn, couchdb, some haproxy, a node process) on a VM and starting them all manually is a pain and I kept getting things wrong
[11:56] <lornajane> I thought I would be able to take those commands, wrap them in services and ask systemd to run them for me.  So far, it's not really working out all that well.  Possibly because I'm a developer and really not a sysadmin so there is much I don't know
[12:08] <popey> lornajane: is there a systemd specific channel maybe?
[12:08]  * popey shrugs
[12:09] <lornajane> I might need to go hunting.  I now have one script working and the others are just failing in a fairly non-informative way
[12:09] <lornajane> they start fine if I start them manually so I'm not sure if they are depending on something I don't have yet
[12:11] <lornajane> one working script at least gives me some idea that this thing does work and the rest is probably user error :)
[12:13] <popey> :)
[12:35] <diplo> lornajane: from the little i've done so far, journalctl can help you track down what is wrong with your systemd script, helped me anyone
[12:35] <diplo> You can make it more verbose
[12:37] <lornajane> ah, that might help`
[12:37] <diplo> It's definitely a learning curve
[12:37] <lornajane> I'm in a new job, everything is a learning curve and I kind of love it but I love it more when things work!
[12:37] <diplo> I gave up on some of mine as I didn't have time, but I need a parent and child processes triggered, luckily service script still worked so going to leave those till I have more time
[12:38] <diplo> Sounds like me! I'm supposed to be a developer now a days, but nobody knows anything more than they already know and aren't really willing to learn so it mainly falls on me
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> you need a bigger stick... :-)
[12:39] <diplo> hah, mine are in a different county! need to be a big big stick
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> a tele stick...
[12:42] <diplo> :)
[12:45] <diplo> MooDoo: you used to work for heart internet didn't you?
[12:49] <diddledan> interesting video from tom scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uz6xOFWi4A
[12:49] <diddledan> his videos are always interesting to be honest
[12:57] <diplo> Recommendation for VPS ( incl Cpanel ) hosts
[12:57] <diplo> I know I do this about once  a year :)
[13:03] <BigRedS> You want cpanel?
[13:04] <diplo> I don't, but I intend to leave shortly and the other staff will need it
[13:04] <BigRedS> hahaha
[13:04] <lornajane> good exit strategy
[13:05] <diplo> I already run a VPS for the company on linode, but it's all manually setup ( documented though! ) but nobody else ever logs on to update and check it
[13:05] <diplo> So get a fully managed one
[13:05] <diplo> Apart from American sites the heart internet one seems best
[13:09] <diplo> hmm apparently worrying, heart still offer 10.04 for managed hosts, but it's EOL :/
[16:19] <diddledan> surprise? https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/powershell-is-open-sourced-and-is-available-on-linux/
[16:26] <xnox> no, anticipated and expected
[16:30] <ali1234> what does it do besides terminal emulation?
[16:32] <diddledan> first thing I can think of is adminning windows systems from a linux host
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> report every keystroke to ms :-)
[16:35] <diddledan> they tout their "object pipeline" which is a bit like stdio pipes but with extra stuff to allow them to be smarter
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> nothing worries me more than software trying to be 'smarter'
[16:35] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: at least it's not powering hell
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> true true, but i remember many moons ago my boss getting a new dot matrix printer with 'smart' paper handling.  the cursing and swearing, wailing and gnashing of teeth that printer caused...
[16:37] <diddledan> and that was just the printer, swearing, wailing and gnashing it's teeth...
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> well it was a dot matrix... if any printer can, a dot matrix can
[16:55] <diddledan> are any releases of ubuntu vulnerable to this tcp ack thingy?
[16:56] <diddledan> specifically: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-5696
[17:58] <diddledan> gotta love bbc: https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/766398447234625536
[17:59] <zmoylan-pi> the alternative was to describe it as what brexit will do to the uk? :-P
[18:00] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: nono, that involves the other door
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:54] <diddledan> features are frozen
[19:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan for what
[19:57] <diddledan> err.. opensuse?
[19:58] <diddledan> maybe fedora?
[20:00] <diddledan> oh I know, it's slackware!
[21:04] <daftykins> tum te tum
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> ho ho ho, green giant
[21:06] <daftykins> :D
[21:07] <daftykins> i thought i'd give MS' server 2016 evaluation preview a spin, BSODs in vmware workstation :D
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> giving you the real ms experience...
[21:07] <daftykins> nah
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> it didn't touch your wallet? :-)
[21:08] <daftykins> you can get 180 day licenses for any of their versions for free
[21:08] <daftykins> just create a nice spammy outlook.com email, sign up and you get the download links :>
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> i have spent the evaluation period of ms software just trying to get it not to crash so that i could then use it for what we were trying it for...
[21:14] <daftykins> you must do things really wrong :)
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> the wrongest :-D
[21:15] <daftykins> i only dabbled with server 2012 R2 last because i may've gotten that role dealing with the mess that is hyper-v
[21:15] <daftykins> i'd sooner have them signed up to free vmware education licenses and things just work, but such is the way at times
[21:16] <daftykins> stupid staff politics!
[21:16] <diddledan> daftykins: I hate those Sods of Bee
[21:16] <daftykins> which specifically?
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> arbitary management decisions that make your job 10 times more difficult... i'm aware of their existince...
[21:16] <diddledan> ones that happen in vmware?
[21:17] <daftykins> oh i see
[21:17] <daftykins> i mean i could try it on bare metal but meh, it's only a month 'til final
[21:21] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a13-JbxC98
[21:22] <daftykins> you ought to start declaring what things are :P
[21:23] <diddledan> where's the fun in that?
[21:24]  * zmoylan-pi posts the cat came back... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETCusT5kNM
[21:29] <daftykins> client gets an email from one of his contacts where the attachments have been blocked, with the text "Contentcontrol has removed the following attachments due to policy reasons."
[21:29] <daftykins> he forwards it to me as if i'm going to help this guy resolve his IT departments problems :(
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh outlook... i used to just rename the zip files i sent as piz and the server didn't raise a quibble
[21:32] <daftykins> or he could even attempt to zip them - but yeah, i'm not their support so i'm not helping :)
[21:32] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you mean you piz'd all over outlook?
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> at every opportunity diddledan
[21:32] <daftykins> and it's not outlook but exchange server at their end to blame i should think
[21:33] <diddledan> aye
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> exchange is the culprit here i suspect alright.  i hate that with the passion i normally reserve for pocketpc activesync
[21:35] <mapps> hi;D
[21:40] <daftykins> lo
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> i never had diddledan down as a quitter...
[23:17] <daftykins> :<
[23:17] <daftykins> doesn't he know this place is like the Hotel California?
[23:19] <zmoylan-pi> shhhhh, he's back....
[23:19] <diddledan> where'd I go?
[23:19]  * zmoylan-pi whistles nonchantly...
[23:20] <daftykins> The Twilight Zone crossed with The Outer Limits
[23:20] <diddledan> alright, so you're nonchalant, quit rubbing our faces in it already
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> with a dilly dally in the muppet show

[23:21] <diddledan> daftykins: twiglets?
[23:21] <daftykins> :D
[23:21] <daftykins> i murder those things
[23:22] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remF2H383KM
[23:22] <daftykins> only ever seem to get those silly mini ones at Christmas though, i'd prefer the full size
[23:23] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoiu8_K-eZg
[23:23] <diddledan> there's zoidberg
[23:42] <daftykins> why not Zoidberg?


[07:59] <paul424> great , for some reason my snap doesn';t link to libOIS which is build on demand ; I get : /snap/opendungeons-plus/110/usr/games/opendungeons-plus: error while loading shared libraries: libOIS.so.1.5.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:59] <paul424> what to do ? how to eliminate this bug ?
[08:00] <paul424> The people using my snap will be upgraded to buggy, useless piece of software , great !
[08:37] <paul424>  "  The dependency target "X11" of target "OIS" does not exist.
[08:37] <paul424> This warning is for project developers.  Use -Wno-dev to suppress it.  "
[08:37] <paul424> maybe this error is important ?
[08:39] <paul424> I mean warning
[12:32] <mup> PR snapd#12787 opened: snap: import revision tweak from pebble <Created by flotter> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12787>
[18:54] <mup> PR snapd#12780 closed: boot: make sure we update assets for the system-seed-null role <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12780>
[21:15] <mup> PR snapd#12778 closed: go.mod: update github.com/snapcore/secboot to latest uc22 <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12778>
[21:20] <mup> PR snapd#12769 closed: tests/muinstaller-real: test with UBUNTU-SEED fs label <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12769>


[03:51] <fishcooker> i have server that doesn't install xorg.. i want to disable input devices; mouse and keyboard.. what should i do?
[11:00] <LeMike> thanks TJ- for your help in creating makefile yesterday. got it now and almost understood it ;)
[20:04] <hxm> i dont get how spf works at all, in this case "v=spf1 ip4:<IP_ADDRESS>/16 -all" it accepts that range of ips, but what is that ip, of the server which sends the mail or the client who connects to the server?
[20:24] <TJ-> hxm "SENDER" policy framework. The SPF record says that for this domain, these are the approved senders
[20:30] <tomreyn> is debootstrap no longer a recommended means of installation?
[20:31] <tomreyn> is there another method which you can use without serial console?
[20:31] <tomreyn> (nor KVM)
[20:32] <tomreyn> i'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot but it seems kind of dated
[20:37] <TJ-> tomreyn: I use it almost daily
[20:37] <tomreyn> alright :)
[20:39] <hxm> TJ-: thanks
[21:09] <joshu> in /boot/grub/grub.conf I don't understand the two console parameters, e.g. ` console=ttyS0,9600 console=tty0`
[21:10] <joshu> I'm trying to create my own AMI for Amazon, so I'm trying to understand the grub settings.
[21:11] <stgraber> joshu: that tells the kernel to ouput its console messages to both the first tty as is the case by default (tty0) and to the first serial device with a speed of 9600bauds
[21:12] <stgraber> I suspect console=tty0 is probably irrelevant on cloud hosting, console=ttyS0,9600 may be how the hypervisor gets to show you boot messages though (not familiar with amazon, but I suspect they have a way to get kernel boot messages from an instance, in which case, that's how they'd do it)
[21:12] <joshu> stgraber thank you for explaining. I'm seeing different configs on different public AMIs. For instance on Amazon's own Linux AMI they have only `console=ttyS0`.
[21:13] <joshu> some other AMI use hvc0
[21:14] <stgraber> console=ttyS0 may be an equivalent of console=ttyS0,9600, assuming their kernel defaults to 9600bauds (which I think is part of the kernel build time config)
[21:14] <stgraber> same goes with hvc0, recent kernel will usually show serial devices from an hypervisor as hvc0, while older ones may not know how to detect those and instead use the generic ttyS0
[21:16] <joshu> If Amazon uses ttyS0 should I trust they are doing what's most appropriate for their platform and do the same?
[21:18] <stgraber> no
[21:18] <stgraber> it entirely depends on what kernel and kernel config you are using
[21:18] <joshu> Ok I think I understand
[21:19] <stgraber> if you use the same kernel they are, then yes, but if you use a very recent kernel, chances are that it'll be hvc0 instead. Same goes for the speed, it's probably best for you to always hardcode it to 9600 to avoid your kernel's config to potentially write faster than that
[21:24] <joshu> stgraber You've been really helpfull! I made some changes and now I see all the boot messages! :D
[21:25] <stgraber> cool, glad it helped


[17:07] <nhandler> Anyone know if the scripts for syncing the access lists with LP are available anywhere?
[17:15] <IdleOne> nhandler: check the ubuntu-irc ML. I think AlanBell posted it there.
[17:16] <AlanBell> nope, there are none
[17:16] <IdleOne> ah
[17:16] <AlanBell> as such, I just have scripts for comparing access lists with LP
[17:16] <JoseeAntonioR> aren't those https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/+junk/accessmanager ?
[17:16] <AlanBell> or I have cobbled together stuff
[17:17] <AlanBell> I will have a look at that stuff, might be rather similar to what I was going to write
[17:17] <AlanBell> thanks JoseeAntonioR
[17:20] <nhandler> Thanks, that script should help with what I am doing
[20:36] <foxbuntu> hey all, just discovered my cloak was removed for some reason, not sure what happened can anyone help me get that fixed?
[20:37] <Unit193> You must have been removed since your membership expired and you didn't renew, you'd have to reapply or maybe renew membership.
[20:37] <Unit193> Pici: Here?
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> why is this reminiscent of something i just found in the irclogs....
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> bit old, but... http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/15/%23ubuntu-irc.txt
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> not sure what came from that
[20:38] <foxbuntu> yes...i seem to be good and being dropped:)
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> well, according to *that* back in 06-15-2011...
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> ehh nevermind
[20:39] <foxbuntu> that was for an issue where my gmail account got hacked
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> i will note that Daviey was pinged back then
[20:39]  * TheLordOfTime yawns, and returns to fixing two bugs that need SRU'd
[20:39] <Unit193> Was he IRCC back then?  Isn't now though.
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> not sure
[20:40] <AlanBell> hi foxbuntu
[20:40] <foxbuntu> AlanBell, Hi
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> alanbell would know XD
[20:40]  * TheLordOfTime forgot about AlanBell for a minute
[20:40] <AlanBell> we were having a tidy up and lining up cloaks and memberships
[20:41] <foxbuntu> Am i not in Ubuntu Members anymore?
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> check your launchpad account
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> if it says you're not there, well
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> it'd be the ubuntu members group
[20:41] <AlanBell> foxbuntu: what is your launchpad id?
[20:41] <foxbuntu> ~nickj-fox
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> they're not in the members group...
[20:42] <foxbuntu> hmm
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> https://launchpad.net/~nickj-fox/+participation  <--
[20:42] <foxbuntu> guess I missed renewal er something
[20:42] <foxbuntu> so do I need to re-apply all over ?
[20:43] <AlanBell> foxbuntu: we can sort this out, but I have to pop out now for an hour or so
[20:43] <foxbuntu> AlanBell, no problem
[20:44] <foxbuntu> AlanBell, I'll be around..just let me know what I need to do
[20:46] <AlanBell> oh gosh, thanks for that link TheLordOfTime ;)
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell:  hm?
[20:46] <AlanBell> foxbuntu: I will sort it out, just hang about in this channel
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> you mean the easy-identification-link?
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> the one which points to groups?
[20:46] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/15/%23ubuntu-irc.txt in which we discover that the problem relates to one of my scripts ;)
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> ARGH... [expletives removed]
[20:47] <TheLordOfTime> lol
[20:47]  * AlanBell heads for home
[21:47] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/foxbuntu cloak for foxbuntu please
[21:48] <Fuchs> AlanBell: mind a short query?
[21:49] <Fuchs> (wrt that cloak)
[21:49] <AlanBell> Fuchs: sure
[21:51] <Fuchs> done :D
[21:51] <Fuchs> congratulations, foxbuntu
[21:51] <JoseeAntonioR> congrats, foxbuntu
[21:51] <Fuchs> or recongratulations, I guess. Anyway, nice day :)
[21:52] <Unit193> foxbuntu: re-congrats.
[22:36]  * TheLordOfTime lols
[22:37] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell:  apparently i dug up history that is... evil?  :P
[22:44] <IdleOne> wow, I don't remember having that conversation
[23:07] <foxbuntu> AlanBell, Fuchs thanks for the help :)


[08:45] <RAOF> Roh row! -898035712 object bytes!
[08:46] <RAOF> Sarvatt: You haven't happened to see a gem object leak again?
[08:48] <Sarvatt> I have but I don't remember what set of packages explicitly I noticed it on, it wasn't in stock maverick or xorg-edgers
[08:48] <RAOF> Could it be mesa 7.9~git20100909, perchance? :(
[08:49] <RAOF> I guess it could also be 2.6.36-rc3
[08:49] <Sarvatt> will find out, I think it was the kernel though
[08:49] <Sarvatt> yeah
[08:50] <Sarvatt> almost positive it was 2.6.32-rc2-sarvatt that I built
[08:50] <RAOF> Time for me to reboot into a stock Ubuntu kernel, then.
[08:51] <Sarvatt> what system are you seeing that on?
[08:51] <RAOF> GM45
[08:56] <RAOF> Would you believe that my system isn't very responsive with multiple GB of memory stolen by the kernel? :)
[08:58] <Sarvatt> hah, imagine how I felt on an atom with 1.5gb ram! :)
[08:59] <Sarvatt> it wasn't there in rc1, was something added in that huge intel patch bomb right before rc2
[09:23] <ginggs> g'day - is anyone willing to sponsor a lucid SRU for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/553415 please?
[09:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 553415 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 6 other projects) "mouse trapped in box for Open Motif (affects: 27) (dups: 4) (heat: 127)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[11:19] <tseliot> ginggs: can you also attach the .dsc file, please?
[11:27] <ginggs> will do now
[11:27] <tseliot> thanks
[11:31] <ginggs> done
[11:33] <jcristau> i thought timo wanted to get a few more bugfixes in there
[11:33] <tseliot> ginggs, jcristau: let's wait for tjaalton's reply then
[11:34] <jcristau> that was a while ago though, so i don't know the status
[11:43] <tjaalton> hey ho
[11:43] <jcristau> hi timo
[11:43] <tjaalton> haven't had any time to work on that..
[11:43] <tjaalton> I'd like to see 1.7.7 in lucid, but think that's a stretch
[11:44] <jcristau> but it's only good stuff!
[11:44] <jcristau> :)
[11:44] <tjaalton> I'm sure it is :)
[11:47] <Sarvatt> RAOF: well, I give up because it does look buried deep down in the kernel. I wrapped drmmode_copy_fb behind a if (!IS_GEN6(intel)) and things work on sandybridge. still need to figure out where other generations are screwing up next but I have some ideas on that one
[11:49] <tjaalton> so there's a ubuntu-lucid branch but it's somewhat stale
[11:49] <tjaalton> for xorg-server, that is
[13:50] <popey> hullo! I appear to be suffering from bug 619663 which is upstream x bug 28515
[13:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 619663 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[maverick] Non-mirrored dual-screen gives narrow display on secondary monitor (affects: 1) (heat: 163)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619663
[13:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 28515 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautilus locks up on switching desktops w/ FTP link open (heat: 1)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28515
[13:51] <popey> Is it possible to get the fix into ubuntu?
[13:52] <jcristau> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/28515
[13:52] <jcristau> hrm, doesn't work.  stupid ubot4.
[13:53] <seb128> fdb bug #28515
[13:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 28515 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautilus locks up on switching desktops w/ FTP link open (heat: 1)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28515
[13:53] <seb128> fdo bug #28515
[13:53] <seb128> doesn't work? ;-)
[13:53] <jcristau> freedesktop.org bug 28515
[13:53] <jcristau> damn.
[13:53] <seb128> it probably doesn't know about his bugzilla
[13:53] <seb128> it works for gnome
[13:53] <jcristau> it used to.
[13:53] <ScottK> popey: We are trying to get an updated mesa into Maverick.  Not sure if that might help or not.  You can try it in the sarvatt/mesa ppa and see.
[13:55] <popey> ok, great
[13:56] <popey> another thing.. it looks like the new xorg has broken "ffmpeg -i x11grab" but I'm unable to tell if it's broken ffmpeg or broken xorg. Suggestions?
[13:56] <popey> will try with that ppa too and file bug appropriately
[13:57] <popey> sorry, ffmpeg -f x11grab, not -i
[13:58] <jcristau> what does that option do?
[13:59] <popey> grabs the x desktop so you can screencast it
[14:00] <ScottK> popey: Please document the results of your test (including exactly which video you have) in  bug 631413.
[14:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 631413 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Mesa 7.9 (affects: 4) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631413
[14:00] <popey> will do
[14:01] <ScottK> Great.
[14:05] <popey> ScottK: sorry to be dim, which specific ppa should I use on this machine?
[14:06] <ScottK> popey: sarvatt/mesa
[14:06] <ScottK> popey: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:sarvatt/mesa
[14:06] <popey> oh, it was as obvious as that, sorry. Thanks.
[14:07] <ScottK> No problem.
[14:37] <tjaalton> ginggs: please ping me about that bug on monday..
[15:36] <ginggs> will do - have a good weekend!
[16:39] <ScottK> I understand from seb128 that there is a pending fix for Bug 628077 in a PPA that needs testing.  Please point me at the relevant PPA and I'll test.
[16:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628077 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[i865] Crash on logout with KDM (affects: 1) (heat: 585)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628077
[16:40] <seb128> ScottK, comment #5 on the bug?
[16:40] <ScottK> seb128: Those weren't archive ready.
[16:40] <seb128> comment #6 said you tried it?
[16:41] <seb128> I will we should ask when Sarvatt is there
[16:41] <ScottK> I did, but it needed work.  Last I heard he wasn't done.
[16:47] <penguin42> ScottK: I mentioned a patch I asked to pull into our Mesa packages a few days ago and I think you told me to check some PPAs first to see if those fixed it; was it just xorg-edgers or is there something more appropriate for what's likely to go into Maverick (or maybe it wasn't you)
[16:47] <ScottK> penguin42: For mesa, it's sarvatt/mesa.
[16:47] <penguin42> ok, will go and grab that now
[17:23] <penguin42> ScottK: Yeh sarvatt/mesa also fixes that bug
[17:23]  * penguin42 will add a note to the bug
[17:24] <penguin42> bug 626943
[17:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 626943 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] Flickering on Radeon - please cherry pick646d2e9fbc41bf49075013009e9583bec4a51168 (affects: 4) (heat: 404)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626943
[17:27] <ScottK> penguin42: Also please mention this in Bug #631413.
[17:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 631413 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Mesa 7.9 (affects: 4) (heat: 28)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631413
[17:29] <penguin42> ScottK: Done
[17:29] <ScottK> penguin42: Thanks.
[17:30] <penguin42> hmm, which reminds me, I need to submit a bug somewhere to say there needs to be a ppa way to regen ia32-libs - google-earth needs the 32bit mesa libs
[17:51] <apw> penguin42, thanks for pointing me to that fbcon fix
[17:51] <apw> and good work spotting it, that had been reviewed and was missed
[17:53] <penguin42> apw: Hey no problem
[17:53] <apw> and do feel free to come find us on #ubuntu-kernel and point things like that out, most helpful
[17:53]  * apw would have said something earlier, if he wasn't rebooting cause of a damn X hang
[17:54] <apw> which always happens when i click on the task bar at the bottom, whatever operation showing a window uses its not good
[17:55] <penguin42> apw: One thing that confused me was I tried to get the git repo that apt-get source suggested but that doesn't seem to contain any of the maverick changes
[17:55] <apw> which one does it point to ?
[17:55] <apw> i thought i fixed the link relativly recently (a couple of uploads back)
[17:56] <penguin42> apw: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git is the one in the .dsc
[17:56] <apw> that looks to be the http one for it
[17:56] <apw> perhaps the server info isn't being updated
[17:57] <penguin42> yeh I did a git clone from that
[17:57] <apw> does that one seem better git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git
[17:58]  * penguin42 clones
[18:01] <apw> penguin42, yeah looks like the server info was not being auto-updated, if you have the b/w you could re-try the http one too
[18:01] <apw> clearly none of us use it :/
[18:03] <penguin42> apw: I may try after the git repo finishes cloning; probably just best to make the .dsc point to the git one
[18:03] <apw> i think the http one should be ok now, but yes perhaps so
[18:03] <apw> or list both
[18:04] <apw> penguin42, do you know about --reference, if you have a linus virgin tree you can reference that and speed up your clone mightily
[18:04] <penguin42> ooh, no I didn't
[18:04] <jcristau> or you can just add a remote in the same repo and fetch the delta
[18:05] <apw> that too
[18:42] <alkisg> Hi, is there any graphical way to tell the lucid live cd to boot with vesa? Manually specifying "xforcevesa" worked, but I wonder why the F6 > safe graphics mode was removed...
[19:18] <popey> ScottK: i tried that mesa ppa, but it didnt resolve the issue that I reported in bug 619663, do you still want me to comment on bug 631413
[19:18] <popey> ?
[19:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 619663 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[maverick] Non-mirrored dual-screen gives narrow display on secondary monitor (affects: 1) (heat: 163)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619663
[19:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 631413 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Mesa 7.9 (affects: 4) (heat: 28)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631413
[19:19] <ScottK> popey: If it didn't affect your performance, it's not critical, but even "I tried it on XYZ and it was the same" reports have value for the FFe.
[19:19] <popey> ok
[19:21] <popey> ScottK: would this be a good point for me to try xorg-edgers ppa?
[19:22] <ScottK> popey: No idea.  I'm not an expert in this area, just trying to get mesa fixed ...
[19:22] <popey> ok, thanks! Good luck with that
[19:39] <popey> woop woop, xorg-edgers fixes my bug
[19:39] <popey> and introduces others! :D


[11:22] <jenda> Vorian_: aloha
[11:22] <jenda> Vorian_: did you happen to see Dan, lately?
[11:27] <juliux> elkbuntu, ping
[12:11] <jenda> aloha juliux
 Vorian_: did you happen to see Dan, lately?
[12:15] <Vorian_> no jenda, its been a couple of weeks
[12:16] <jenda> hmm
[12:17] <Vorian_> I know he was about irc on wednesday night.
[12:17] <Vorian_> But alas, I was working.
[12:39] <jenda> Vorian_: alrighty, I'll keep an eye out :)
[12:39] <juliux> hi jenda
[12:39] <Vorian_> lol
[12:51] <elkbuntu> juliux, http://meldra.no-ip.info/world.tar.gz but it's out of date
[12:52] <juliux> elkbuntu, i only need it for my talk today
[12:53] <juliux> elkbuntu, jono said i should use it
[01:01] <elkbuntu> cool, no prob
[01:01] <elkbuntu> hi MenZa :)
[01:01] <MenZa> hihi :D
[01:56] <jenda> hey MenZa :)
[01:56] <jenda> How's your life treating you?
[02:01] <MenZa> Well :)
[02:01] <MenZa> You, jenda?
[02:02] <jenda> Not too bad :)
[02:03] <jenda> a little tired as usual, but otherwise ok :)
[02:03] <MenZa> :D
[02:03] <jenda> also - can't get a hold of Dan Buch :/
[02:03] <MenZa> :(
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: ping
[09:49] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: just-woke-up png
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: status of UWN?
[09:50] <beuno> I have 1 more article to add to it
[09:51] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, anything else that needs work?
[09:51] <beuno> I have to look it over, but the idea is to get it released in a few hours
[09:52] <mindspin> beuno: and I have news for the next issue in stock ;-)
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> cool
[09:53] <mindspin> we(kubuntu germany) did an interview with riddell about the release of kde4
[09:53] <beuno> mindspin: thats great! I'll get the next one up for edditing as soon as 32 is released
[09:54] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: in the press seems a bit empty, want to give that a crack?
[09:54] <mindspin> we'll have the article ready at wednesday
[09:55] <mindspin> beuno released in a few hours means that we can star to translate ?
[09:55] <mindspin> start
[09:55] <beuno> mindspin: absolutely!
[09:56] <mindspin> good to hear ;-)
[09:56] <beuno> suscrube to the wiki, and as soon as I add the comment "released", it's off
[09:56] <mindspin> I#m still working with the draft
[10:01] <Burgundavia> beuno: you around?
[10:01] <beuno> Burgundavia: yeap, finishing UWN to send you the email  :D
[10:01] <Burgundavia> rock
[10:03] <beuno> Burgundavia: did you see the proposol on the mailing list about adding a "In the Blogosphere" section?
[10:03] <Burgundavia> not yet
[10:03] <beuno> I liked it, but I wanted some feedback from other members
[10:03] <beuno> well, it's basically that, highlighting specific blog posts
[10:03] <Burgundavia> let me look at it right now
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> beuno: I've put stuff like that under In the Press before, depending.  Would take some work to track, and would make UWN longer, but it could be cool.
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> Don't include any random Ubuntu post though, only the few of exceptional quality.
[10:04] <Burgundavia> if we link, we might get some fo those bloggers to help us out
[10:04] <Burgundavia> so +1 from me
[10:04] <Burgundavia> given tonyyarusso's comment about quality
[10:04] <beuno> tonyyarusso: I agree it would take a little bit more quality control, but I see many advantages
[10:04] <beuno> :D
[10:05] <beuno> great
[10:05] <tonyyarusso> Oooh, added benefit to my point given Burgundavia's - we'd get _quality_ bloggers.  :)
[10:06] <beuno> I'll add it to the template strssing "quality posts" in the comments
[10:06] <Burgundavia> I just replied to the email
[10:06] <tonyyarusso> coolio
[10:07] <beuno> and the other change I'm planning is changing "Changes in Feisty" to "New in Feisty Fawn"
[10:07] <beuno> and add summaries instead of a dump of added/changed packages
[10:07] <beuno> it takes les time and makes it much more interesting in my opinion
[10:08] <boredandblogging> i added a blog post in the in the press section about a guy putting ubuntu on 16 computers in a school in Germany, is that too random to be included?
[10:08] <beuno> boredandblogging: it's ok to add stuff, the worst that can happen is it gets deleted, so I encourage you to add stuff you find relevant
[10:09] <tonyyarusso> boredandblogging: I like the sound - link?
[10:09] <boredandblogging> tonyyarusso, its on the UWN, http://www.gadgetguy.de/2007/03/12/primary-school-goes-ubuntu/
[10:09] <boredandblogging> beuno, ok, sounds good
[10:10] <tonyyarusso> Those sorts of things are good if they talk about issues they had, why Ubuntu was chosen, how it's helped since deployment, etc.  The ones that are just "Such and such switched to Ubuntu.  Yay." are less worthwhile.
[10:11] <boredandblogging> tonyyarusso, yeah, I thought it was worthwhile because of the budget issues and use of the German images
[10:11] <boredandblogging> CD images
[10:11] <tonyyarusso> boredandblogging: Yeah, looks decent
[10:11] <Burgundavia> too bad that person doesn't know about LTSP and Edubuntu
[10:12] <boredandblogging> haha, yeah, someone should a comment about it
[10:12] <mindspin> I#m kinda sceptic about the blogosphere thing, but that could be caused by my general sceptizism about bloging
[10:15] <beuno> mindspin: we can always remove it if it turns out to be a problem
[10:15] <mindspin> sure
[10:16] <mindspin> I think it's difficult to deceide which blog is important or worth to be quoted and which not
[10:17] <boredandblogging> maybe include interesting developments that show up on the planet?
[10:17] <boredandblogging> for the blogosphere section
[10:18] <mindspin> a reviwe of the planet ?
[10:18] <mindspin> review
[10:18] <beuno> it should include posts outside the planet to, to encourage other bloggers to spread the word
[10:20] <mindspin> for translating reasons, uwn should not to grow too much/quick ;-)
[10:21] <beuno> mindspin: I hear you, we translate it into spanish every week too
[10:21] <mindspin> ;-)
[10:23] <beuno> Burgundavia: just a quick "FYI", I'm up for membership on tuesday  :D
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: what time UTC?
[10:24] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: 18:00
[10:25] <beuno> any support in the meeting will be appreciated  :D
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll be there, got class at 1900 but I'll throw you support
[10:25] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: that would be great!  thanks
[10:26] <mindspin> Im there too hopefully
[10:26] <mindspin> but now it's time for some sleep
[10:26] <mindspin> night folks
[10:39] <beuno> I'm going to add the summaries for the UWN, and then I think it's ready
[10:39] <beuno> can someone proof-read it?
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: sure
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> the whole thing?
[10:41] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: yeap, if possible
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i did most of it
[10:41] <beuno> I'm finishing the "in this issue we cover..."
 I need dinner soon, after this I'm out
[10:52] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: after this, even UWN is out!
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: xine-lib 1.1.1+ubuntu2-7.7 - [WWW]  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2007-March/0123776.html
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> 404
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> let me see if i can track it down
[10:54] <beuno> that's odd, I added that, I was sure I checked them
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> got it
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: UWN #32 is done.
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> saving it now
[10:59] <beuno> great
[11:00] <beuno> releasing, Burgundavia, still around?
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> should I change the UWN page to link to 31?
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> gah, why is this save taking so long. me thinks it is the DL on another desktop
[11:01] <beuno> we have to go through the post and pre release checking list
[11:01] <beuno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[11:01] <beuno> I'll fix redirect
[11:02] <beuno> you can #
[11:02] <beuno> Change UbuntuWeeklyNews to reflect new current
[11:02] <beuno> #
[11:02] <beuno> Update the Archive
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> might want to ping #ubuntu-fridge
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> as well
[11:03] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: will do, great work!
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: you too
[11:08] <Burgundavia> beuno: yep, now I am
[11:09] <beuno> Burgundavia: UWN is sent, just needs your magic fingers
[11:09] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:09] <beuno> changing the template, and setting up UWN #33
[11:09] <Burgundavia> beuno: do you have an ubuntu.com addy?
[11:10] <beuno> seems we're releasing on time
[11:10] <beuno> Burgundavia: nope, I'm going after membership on tuesday's CC meeting
[11:10] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[11:10] <Burgundavia> sent
[11:11] <beuno> great, thanks!
[11:11] <beuno> do yuo have op access here to change the topic
[11:11] <beuno> ?
[11:11] <beuno> don't think jenda is around
[11:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:13] <beuno> #33 should be out Sunday 25th
[11:20] <jenda> beuno: for you, anytime
[11:20] <beuno> hahaha, be careful what you say, I might just take it seriously  :D
[11:22] <beuno> I asked Seveas to change the topic in here again, but he just basically said "stop bugging me and get Jend to give you access in there"
[11:22] <beuno> but Burgundavia took care of it
[11:22] <beuno> UWN #32 is out on time, yay!
[11:31] <jenda> ah, of course
[11:31] <jenda> you're set
[11:33] <beuno> :D
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> nice
[11:34] <beuno> thanks jenda, one less thing to bother you over though  :(
[11:36] <jenda> hehe
[11:42] <beuno> ok, I'm off for a while then
[11:43] <beuno> bbl