[02:05] <pavlushka> op pavlushka
[17:45] <pavlushka> Hi Researcher !!!
[17:54] <pavlushka> Our missing osama_'s LP I guess is https://launchpad.net/~m-osamabinomar
[17:55] <pavlushka> His youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbVftrGgxbj_CpXlc4WTpgA
[17:57] <pavlushka> His twitter ac https://twitter.com/h4ck3r_man
[18:59] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[19:00] <pavlushka> Yes Kilos , elacheche has found Osama before me on twitter, dont know about others
[19:01] <Kilos> cool, he must tell osama to e here all the time
[19:01] <Kilos> we have told him before
[19:01] <pavlushka> me too
[19:01] <pavlushka> He is a hacker by passion I think, osama
[19:02] <Kilos> yes but he must be here and help get the loco sorted
[19:02] <Kilos> im half a world away and trying to help him, he should be here as well
[19:03] <Kilos> there are many clever ubuntu peeps there
[19:04] <Kilos> that whole part of the world has gone facebook mad
[19:04] <pavlushka> lol
[19:05] <pavlushka> Now we have to just wait laying our trap to catch them, lol
[19:05] <Kilos> yes
[19:06] <Kilos> i will talk to the loco council and the cc this week and see if we can come up with some workaround with the fb thing
[19:07] <pavlushka> Kilos: so that FB can sell data mined info!
[19:08] <pavlushka> google, FB, yahoo, these free services are all about data mining.
[19:08] <Kilos> i dont know but its useless everyone is on fb and no one to help peeps on irc or even approve new peeps that want to join
[19:09] <pavlushka> but there's no alternative to LP, atleast they should keep up LP same time.
[19:10] <pavlushka> beside FB
[19:10] <Kilos> yes but to convince them is where the hassle comes in
[19:11] <pavlushka> Kilos: and it is not even any big deal to just maintain the LP page!!!!!!!!!
[19:12] <Kilos> no thats what i find so hard to understand about the mentality of some clever peeps
[19:12] <Kilos> lp hasnt got pictures
[19:12] <pavlushka> lol, may be,


[11:50] <xivulon> cjwatson, I'like to know if you have any good idea to remove the mountbind to /boot in wubi, as that is a bottleneck for a few other things
[11:51] <cjwatson> well, I can't say anyone has convinced me about the reliability of any replacement for that yet :(
[11:51] <cjwatson> how're you going to guarantee that the ntfs copy gets updated if a user fiddles about in /boot by hand?
[11:52] <xivulon> we need a syncfs :)
[11:53] <xivulon> any approach I can think of will involve copying the files from /boot to /host/ubuntu/disks/boot at some stage
[11:54] <xivulon> and of course you can always think of cases where the 2 dirs are out of sync at boot time
[11:55] <cjwatson> do you have a current list of problems traceable to the bind-mount?
[11:56] <xivulon> On top of my head, there is this issue with kernel upgrades in vfat (apt does the hard link trink) and the issue about using a CD content instead of the ISO
[11:56] <xivulon> let me fetch the bugs
[11:56] <yannickm_> hi... does anyone knows how to make it so that in the installer process, a certain package is run at a higher debconf priority, without having to change it globally ?
[11:57] <cjwatson> yannickm_: no way to do that at present
[11:57] <cjwatson> fix the package to ask the questions at the priority you want, or preseed the answers to the questions if that isn't possible
[11:58] <xivulon><PHONE_NUMBER>05 207137
[11:59] <xivulon> 201046
[11:59] <yannickm_> ugh... i would rather not want to have to mess with the standard ubuntu package (in this case slapd), there's no other way ?
[11:59] <yannickm_> ha
[11:59] <yannickm_> too bad
[12:00] <yannickm_> I guess i'll file a RFE to debian installer lol... thanks anyway
[12:04] <cjwatson> bah, he left. what's wrong with preseeding?
[12:05] <xivulon> cjwatson could you apply 289791?
[12:09] <cjwatson> xivulon: done with minor modifications
[12:09] <cjwatson> 243105 has never been diagnosed and might well be fixable if we could figure it out
[12:09] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r758 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[12:09] <CIA-2> grub-installer: Hide GRUB menu if grub-installer/bootdev_directory is preseeded; this is
[12:09] <CIA-2> grub-installer: used in the Wubi case where GRUB is used as a secondary boot loader, and
[12:09] <CIA-2> grub-installer: so the user already had a chance to boot from another operating system
[12:09] <CIA-2> grub-installer: (thanks, Agostino Russo; LP: #289791).
[12:09] <cjwatson> 207137 does not obviously have anything to do with the bind-mount
[12:10] <cjwatson> ditto 201046
[12:10] <xivulon> Well in the sense that 243105 blocks both
[12:10] <xivulon> so yes addressing 243105 will also fix such issues
[12:10] <cjwatson> don't just list lots of tenuously related bugs, I'm only interested in the ones that are actually directly related
[12:11] <xivulon> then the first 2
[12:11] <cjwatson> it might be worth checking for link() errno == ENOSYS in dpkg
[12:11] <cjwatson> and falling back to copying the file
[12:12] <xivulon> That will work, it is similar to an old fix we had in the past (in update-initramfs IIRC)
[12:13] <xivulon> In fact it would be great if that could be pushed to intrepid updates
[12:13] <cjwatson> no.
[12:13] <cjwatson> I'm not pushing any such dpkg change to a stable release
[12:13] <cjwatson> scares me *far* too much
[12:14] <xivulon> ok anyway,. people deserve to be punished for using fat...
[12:14] <cjwatson> I wasn't saying that, I just don't think it's worth the risk
[12:15] <cjwatson> it's awkward that link() gets EPERM rather than ENOSYS though
[12:15] <cjwatson> if it were ENOSYS then I'd be comfortable with providing a replacement
[12:16] <cjwatson> EPERM can also mean that the source of the link is a directory though
[12:17] <cjwatson> I've created a task on dpkg though
[15:18] <kirkland> cjwatson: hiya
[15:18] <cjwatson> hi
[15:18] <kirkland> cjwatson: i've actually committed a couple of minor patches upstream that enables mount.ecryptfs_private to encrypt/mount/decrypt your entire /home/kirkland directory ;-)
[15:19] <cjwatson> yow
[15:19] <cjwatson> I don't think I have the nerve to use that myself :)
[15:19] <kirkland> cjwatson: ;-)
[15:20] <kirkland> cjwatson: the changes to the binary are actually remarkably simple
[15:20] <kirkland> cjwatson: the fs layout of /home/kirkland and /home/.kirkland are, um, innovative ;-)
[15:20] <cjwatson> that means a user can't do this for themselves
[15:21] <kirkland> cjwatson: correct
[15:21] <cjwatson> if it requires a new directory under /home
[15:21] <kirkland> cjwatson: that's what brings me here
[15:21] <kirkland> cjwatson: it would require patching adduser, as well as ecryptfs-setup-private
[15:21] <kirkland> cjwatson: actually .....
[15:22] <kirkland> cjwatson: you've just triggered something interesting in my mind
[15:22] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'll go play with that
[15:23] <cjwatson> glad to serve as a potted plant :-)
[15:23] <kirkland> cjwatson: :-)
[15:23] <kirkland> cjwatson: but, not doing it themself is a requirement i think i'm going to need
[15:24] <kirkland> cjwatson: because "migration" of a non-encrypted home dir to an encrypted-homedir is a really dicey operation
[15:24] <kirkland> cjwatson: would need to ensure that there are no other readers/writers on that user's home dir during the "migration"
[15:24] <cjwatson> yeah, I think it's OK
[15:25] <kirkland> cjwatson: seems like an impossible situation if the migration ran as the user
[15:25] <kirkland> cjwatson: so it would be something that you'd want at adduser time, or not
[15:25] <kirkland> cjwatson: i can wiki up some instructions how to do the migration safely, as root, in runlevel 1
[15:25] <kirkland> cjwatson: which is what i did to bootstrap my system
[15:26] <kirkland> cjwatson: but i don't want to publish a tool to do this for someone, as it's riddled with complexity :-)
[15:28] <kirkland> cjwatson: I understand that you won't be at UDS, but I'm asking Rick to schedule another Encrypted Home Directory session, where I'd like to demo what I've done so far, and seek some discussion/concerns/etc
[15:30]  * kirkland expects no lack of forceful opinions ;-)
[15:34] <kirkland> cjwatson: encrypted filename patches are undergoing review/revision on LKML right now
[15:52] <cjwatson> kirkland: I think you should explicitly look at what the ubiquity UI might look like
[15:53] <cjwatson> it seems to me that it ought to go on the user page, but exactly how it should be laid out I'm not sure
[15:53] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay, i'll make sure i have a proposal about that
[15:55] <kirkland> cjwatson: i got a bug report recently, saying that MacOSX encrypts home dirs by default (not confirmed by me), requesting Ubuntu provide the option;  got me thinking about this, and it's starting to actually appear doable  ;-)
[15:55] <kirkland> cjwatson: but I will definitely think about the Ubiquity aspect
[15:59] <evand> I don't think Mac OSX encrypts home directories by default.  FileVault apparently does not play well with Time Machine.
[15:59] <robbiew> I can check now...wife has a Powerbook
[15:59] <evand> And it definitely does not do it in my copy of OSX (I'm assuming 10.4)
[16:04] <persia> 10.5 doesn't do it either.  Maybe it's a new feature for 10.6?
[16:12] <kirkland> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/277894
[16:12] <kirkland> that was the bug report, albeit somewhat noobish
[16:13] <kirkland> he marked it a "security vulnerability" :-)
[16:45] <robbiew> kirkland: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/8736.html
[16:46] <robbiew> from what I can see on OSX 10.5.5 it doesn't appear that the home directories are encrypted by default
[16:46] <robbiew> but this machine was upgraded...so maybe on fresh install it provides the option
[16:46]  * evand ponders https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/292159
[16:47] <kirkland> robbiew: *great* link ...
[16:47] <kirkland> robbiew: that's some skillful text there, cjwatson
[16:47] <cjwatson> kirkland: which is?
[16:47] <kirkland> i remember vacillating over the different ways of stating that
[16:47] <kirkland> cjwatson:  http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/8736.html
[16:47] <cjwatson> oh right
[16:48] <cjwatson> evand: odd, sounds like it's copying the casper-ified filesystem rather than the squashfs!
[16:48] <cjwatson> evand: oh, running as a live image, not installed?
[16:49] <evand> ja
[16:49] <evand> it explodes when there's a new kernel
[16:49] <evand> which is particularly bad when you're running off a USB disk with persistence
[16:49] <cjwatson> how about making that casper script conditional on persistence?
[16:50] <cjwatson> and fix whatever bug it is that makes it explode in non-persistent mode rather than just silently doing nothing
[16:50] <cjwatson> but in persistent mode it should definitely let update-initramfs work as normal
[16:50] <evand> indeed
[16:51] <evand> I'm also going to conditionalize setting the clock to UTC, if that's fine by you
[16:52] <cjwatson> yeah, I think so
[16:53] <evand> ok, great
[16:54] <superm1> would it be worthwhile to check for persistence and disable the cron daemon's init script if persistence is off? I seem to remember reading a report somewhere that a syslog rotation script could cause /var/log/syslog to be renamed and the wrong file copied into the resultant install
[17:01] <cjwatson> cron is already supposed to be disabled
[17:01] <cjwatson> ./scripts/casper-bottom/25configure_init
[17:01] <cjwatson> if that isn't working then somebody should work out why
[17:03] <superm1> i'll try to find the original report of it
[17:04] <cjwatson> I've seen such reports myself before and tried to debug them, and run up against "er, well, it's supposed to work already"
[17:04] <cjwatson> not claiming for sure that it *does* work
[17:06] <evand> cjwatson: is there any historical reason why we overwrite /etc/localtime in casper?  It's already UTC on the squashfs.
[17:06] <evand> s/any/a/
[17:07] <evand> I'm tempted to just remove the script entirely if we don't need it.
[17:08] <cjwatson> perhaps it just predates that being the case in the squashfs
[17:08] <cjwatson> if the script isn't necessary, go ahead and remove it
[17:08] <evand> will do, thanks
[17:17] <CIA-2> casper: evand * r565 casper/ (scripts/casper-bottom/02timezone debian/changelog):
[17:17] <CIA-2> casper: * scripts/casper-bottom/02timezone:
[17:17] <CIA-2> casper:  - Remove as it's no longer needed and resets the timezone when
[17:17] <CIA-2> casper:  persistence is enabled (LP: #296855).


 @Paulser, Try  … systemd-resolve --status … I found that on stack exchange but not near my workstation to try.
 https://youtu.be/OQ59FTcaCzU
 O meu vídeo é em português, eu só cpmpartilhei e a prévia está em inglês.
[02:10] <tomreyn> yeay, telegram spam feeding back into irc
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:57] <IrcsomeBot2> <Jorge Sánchez> @Jorge Sánchez, Does anybody have any idea about this? It's really getting on my nerves
[13:11] <Mylon> Someone please tell me how I disable the two-finger tap to paste feature.  It's driving me nuts.
[13:12] <Mylon> The clipboard app found in the system tray does not have a quit option.  Nor do some of the config options work.
[13:31] <Dragnslcr> Mylon- check System Settings -> Input Devices -> Touchpad. Under "Taps" you can set the actions.
[13:32] <Mylon> Dragnslcr: That's set to middle click, which is what I want.
[13:32] <Mylon> But something else is turning middle clicks into paste.
[13:33] <Dragnslcr> That's pretty common in Linux systems, but you should be able to disable it somewhere
[13:34] <Mylon> Yes, there's a clipboard program running, but I don't know how to kill it.
[13:34] <IrcsomeBot2> <Jorge Sánchez> @Jorge Sánchez, Nevermind, I discovered it is a hardware issue. The cable going to my room is faulty
[13:37] <Mylon> There, if I do ctrl-alt-x, it disables it... Until I restart.
[13:37] <Mylon> But there's no feedback to show the shortcut toggle is in effect.
[13:37] <Dragnslcr> Mylon- it's the X Windows (system that runs under KDE, Gnome, etc.) clipboard that does middle-click to paste
[13:38] <Mylon> So likely there's some obscure config file somewhere I have to open in an text editor.
[13:38] <Dragnslcr> Probably
[13:38] <Dragnslcr> You can search online for "xorg disable middle mouse button paste"
[13:39] <Dragnslcr> You can also ask in #ubuntu, which is a more active channel
[13:39] <Dragnslcr> Since it's under the KDE level, it should be the same fix for Kubuntu and Ubuntu
[13:39] <Mylon> Does xorg have an issue tracker where I can request a more responsive GUI?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> in systemsettings>input devices>mouse , there's only "press left and right buttons for middle click"
[13:40] <Dragnslcr> I'm sure they have an issue tracker, but I don't know what kind of response you would get. It's a behavior that's been in X for a very long time, and I don't know how willing the devs would be to fix it at this point.
[16:04] <Mylon> BluesKaj, I had to update my touchpad package separely as some touchpad settings were locked.
[16:04] <Mylon> At least in the gui.
[16:05] <Mylon> Ultimately my problem is my touchpad keeps detecting taps while I'm trying to type.
[16:05] <Mylon> And I haven't figured out the right sensitivity/palm width that works without occasionally ignoring intentional finger touches/taps.
[16:06] <Mylon> Like... I have it set to lock out the touchpad while typing, but that doesn't stop the clipboard from seeing a middle click and pasting while I'm in the middle of typing.
[16:30] <greenfrog> i just replaced the batteries in my wireless mouse and ubuntu keeps saying battery level at zero
[16:30] <greenfrog> is there a way to change this?
[16:34] <pahool> Mylon: have you tried the "Disable touchpad while typing" option in the touchpad settings?
[16:35] <pahool> nvm, I see you did try that. hmmm...
[16:59] <subcool> I have an microsd card, that Df says is basically, full, but when i goto baobab to view disk usage, the views as empty
[17:02] <subcool> Is there are more percise way to view the disk usage and space of my disk? i dont want to lose anything if it can avoid it.
[18:57] <BluesKaj> subcool, sudo fdisk -l


[00:10] <crimsun> fta: i use the non-Free Nvidia driver, so for me, no.
[00:10] <fta> crimsun, me too so thanks, i keep xorg on hold
[00:12] <asac> fta: no ... cannot handle automatically. its a driver issue in the end
[00:12] <asac> you can do you own hacky scripts though in user space ;)
[00:13] <fta> can't it be properly done in jaunty?
[00:13] <asac> unsure. maybe a few more drivers get fixed to do it properly
[00:14] <asac> i know that there is work in progress
[00:14] <asac> to make option drivers do the same as the ones that already work
[07:26] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I was looking at flashblock package, because the version in Jaunty wasn't the last, one, and I saw that this package is built from CVS checkout, ignoring the normal upstream versions (jaunty => flashblock-1.3.11a~snapshot20081113, author = <IP_ADDRESS>). Won't it be better to repackage it from scratch?
[07:28] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: looking at the version (snapshot date), <IP_ADDRESS> wasn't available.
[07:29] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: now that it is, you should be able to modify it if you feel up to it =)
[07:29] <fabrice_sp> sure, but isn't there a risk of checking out a non stable version if you use directly CVS?
[07:30] <crimsun> sure, but you can modify the packaging...
[07:30] <fabrice_sp> crimsun,: as it would be a repackaging, it should go through REVU?
[07:31] <crimsun> why would it be a repackaging?
[07:31] <crimsun> you're changing debian/rules
[07:31] <fabrice_sp> ohhh, you're right
[07:32] <fabrice_sp> and I can download the xpi file, and uncompress it
[07:33] <fabrice_sp> will create the bug report and assign it to myself (Hoping to find a sponsor to ack it afterwards :-) )thanks for your answer
[07:34] <crimsun> yw
[10:00] <RzR> i just missed fabrice
[10:01] <RzR> hi fabrice_sp
[10:01] <RzR> let me explain
[10:01] <RzR> i just read your posts
[10:02] <RzR> the author has a weird release process
[10:02] <RzR> and I still think using the CVS tree is better for us
[10:02] <RzR> current one is working on jaunty right ?
[10:06] <fabrice_sp> Hi RzR.
[10:07] <fabrice_sp> This is partly why I asked, because if it has been done this way, I assume it's for some good reason.
[10:07] <fabrice_sp> Anyway, it's hard to know which version we have in ubutnu, since we only have the cvs date, and no real release in front of that
[10:10] <fabrice_sp> I have to check how it works in Jaunty, but you agree with me that there is a risk to get a buggy version using CVS
[10:13] <RzR> it the CVS belonging to the release
[10:13] <RzR> I should explain this into debian/README.source
[10:14] <RzR> I am afraid CVS is the only way to get the sources
[10:14] <RzR> am i right ?
[10:15] <RzR> so please contact me if you plan to help to flashblock, we'll work toguether
[10:16] <RzR> remaining tasks is to test jaunty version and backport it to intrepid and hardy
[10:16] <RzR> I'll work on it debian side if you can take care of this
[10:16] <fabrice_sp> what do you mean by source? Because you can get a .xpi with the watch file
[10:17] <RzR> I want to rebuilt it from scratch then anyone can understand this
[10:17] <fabrice_sp> Anyway, as I am nobody here, I won't discuss decisions that have already been taken by more senior people...
[10:17] <fabrice_sp> my mess came from the version scheme
[10:18] <RzR> ok I'll doccument it
[10:18] <RzR> have you tested jaunty ?
[10:19] <fabrice_sp> I just tested the <IP_ADDRESS> in Intrepid
[10:19] <fabrice_sp> that's all
[10:19] <fabrice_sp> (I packaged it in the meanwhile)
[10:20] <RzR> can you  install jaunty deb into intrepid just to test
[10:21] <fabrice_sp> ok
[10:21] <fabrice_sp> I'll do that
[10:22] <RzR> great
[10:22] <fabrice_sp> (and it would be great if next version of package would have the real upstream based version)
[10:22] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[10:22] <RzR> I'll explain you how it works
[10:22] <RzR> because it's weird
[10:23] <RzR> it took me time to understand
[10:23] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[10:24] <RzR> anyway welcome to this channel
[10:24] <RzR> i didnt notice you were there
[10:25] <fabrice_sp> the same happened to me with you (I was wondering who were<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:-)
[10:25] <RzR> btw i have an other project pending for this team
[10:26] <RzR> it's testing a VRML plugin
[10:26] <RzR> but everyone seems busy
[10:27] <fabrice_sp> logical: between updates and new release, there is a lot to do
[10:27] <fabrice_sp> I came to flashblock doing merge/sync for jaunty,
[10:29] <fabrice_sp> By the way, I create a bug report for that 'update' and I was working on it (bug #315718). What do I do with it?
[10:32] <RzR> fabrice_sp: I think it's prefered to merge jaunty one into intrepid, you can close it and open an other one
[10:32] <RzR> just branch update debian/changelog and propose it
[10:32] <RzR> i'll do this if i can test intrepid
[10:33] <RzR> but I dont have intrepid
[10:33] <RzR> i am gone
[10:33] <RzR> thx again fabrice_sp
[10:46] <fabrice_sp> I'll check the Jaunty versions in Intrepid, anyway
[10:47] <fabrice_sp> thanks !
[11:47] <halkok> Hello! I have a question I was hoping for some help with: The setting "nglayout.initialpaint.delay" in FF about:config is nifty. BUT, is there any way to have customized per page settings for this variable? Like, 250ms for www.example.com and 1000 for www.otherexample.com?
[12:25] <asac> fta_: could you push bzr rev 404 of 1.9.2 xul to your PPA?
[12:26] <asac> not now ;) ... i think DX flks would be happy to havea  libnotify xul for testing
[12:27] <asac> fabrice_sp: talk to Jazzva_ please about extensions
[12:28] <asac> fabrice_sp: if you do something please do it in the bzr branches ;)
[12:28] <asac> and let us sign off your work before you get it uploaded. thanks!
[12:55] <notrelevant> Hello! I have a question I was hoping for some help with: The setting "nglayout.initialpaint.delay" in FF about:config is nifty. BUT, is there any way to have customized per page settings for this variable? Like, 250ms for www.example.com and 1000 for www.otherexample.com?
[13:03] <asac> notrelevant: why do you want that?
[13:04] <asac> anyway ... i doubt there is a per-page setting
[13:04] <notrelevant> Because at my work.. there is one specific page.. which needs to be updated often.. and in addition it is slow response... and after working full time a week it drives me mad
[13:05] <notrelevant> I know there isn't a plugin or anything..
[13:05] <notrelevant> but maybe there is a clever way to do it
[13:06] <notrelevant> What I would achieve is that I don't have to see the redrawing of the page every interval it refreshes... (as the page only modifies slightly everytime changing that setting will make it update seamlessly)
[13:07] <notrelevant> anyone got any ideas how to cook up something ?
[13:08] <asac> let me check
[13:10] <asac> you need to make layout/base/nsPresShell.cpp aware of per-page prefs for pagination delay
[13:14] <notrelevant> hmm
[13:14] <notrelevant> ok.
[13:14] <notrelevant> This is only for one single page
[13:14] <notrelevant> the rest can be set to default
[13:15] <notrelevant> So basically this is something I need to script
[13:15] <notrelevant> ?
[13:15] <notrelevant> there's noe simple fix/one-liners ?
[13:15] <notrelevant> :)
[13:22] <asac> notrelevant: script isnt possible ... thats in c++
[13:22] <asac> you need to add a new feature in that code
[13:26] <asac> @time
[13:29] <notrelevant> allright... that is above my head. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction anyway :)
[13:29] <asac> sorry ...ur welcome notrelevant
[13:34] <rZr> hi hny2k9, are you guys going to fosdem ?
[13:36] <fta_> asac, DX folks?
[13:59] <asac> fta: those folks doing the new notification stuff
[14:00] <asac> rZr: not yet sure
[14:05] <fta> asac, done
[14:11] <asac> thx
[14:12] <asac> ok travelling
[14:12] <fta> i need to add a depend on libcanberra0 too
[14:12] <rZr> i am unsure too
[14:12] <rZr> but this will be good
[14:13] <rZr> i'll may also go the gsm expo in barcelonna
[14:24] <fta> asac, damn, libcanberra0 is not on all arches, and not on hardy.
[15:50] <asac> at beenm added to ffox too?
[15:50] <asac> fta: oops ... i means : was libcanberra been added to ffox too? or just for tbird?
[15:50]  * asac cannot type with gloves on
[15:58] <asac>     * jaunty sparc Successfully built (DONE)
[15:58] <asac>     * jaunty powerpc Successfully built (DONE)
[15:58] <asac>     * jaunty lpia Successfully built (DONE)
[15:58] <asac>     * jaunty ia64 Successfully built (DONE)
[15:58] <asac>     * jaunty i386 Successfully built (DONE)
[15:58] <asac>     * jaunty hppa Successfully built (DONE)
[15:58] <asac>     * jaunty armel Successfully built (DONE)
[15:58] <asac>     * jaunty amd64 Successfully built (DONE)
[15:58] <asac> libcanberra that is
[15:59] <asac> but right. a bit of a pity ... but we can add that lib to PPA just
[15:59] <asac> as backports
[16:01] <asac> ok off for a while ... preparing for train ride ;)
[16:01] <asac> cu later
[16:30] <armin76> bye
[17:34] <fta> asac, it's loaded dynamically so it's meant for ff and tb, or xul and tb. with the latter, xulapps get it for free
[17:35] <fta> asac, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libcanberra&searchon=sourcenames&suite=all&section=all
[18:10] <asac> fta: how is it dynamically loaded? dlopen or by being linked against an optional component like mozgnome?
[18:14] <fta> asac, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a873ac2554396b2984523c13952fe89c4758daf2#l89
[18:15] <fta> there's nothing in configure :(
[18:16] <asac> fta: looks good. we dont need it at build time ;)
[18:17] <asac> so adding a Recommends to xulrunner should be sufficient
[18:17] <asac> (unless KDE folks go mad again)
[18:17] <asac> (in that case Suggests)
[18:17] <fta> sure but if it's not at build time, we look the ${shlibs:Depends} magic
[18:17] <asac> fta: yes. thats why we should add a Recommends
[18:17] <asac> it isnt mandatory anyway
[18:17] <fta> i checked, it could be in Depends, it doesn't drag gnome libs with it
[18:18] <asac> fta: it does
[18:18] <asac> fta: libpulse
[18:18] <asac> Recommends is good
[18:18] <asac> thoguh
[18:18] <asac> question is whether suggests. depends isnt needed i think
[18:18]  * asac on a call
[18:18] <fta> no, it doesn't drag pulse in, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libcanberra0
[18:20] <asac> $ apt-cache show libcanberra0 | grep libpulse
[18:20] <asac> Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libc6 (>= 2.4), libltdl7 (>= 2.2.4), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libpulse0 (>= 0.9.8), libtdb1, libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.1.2)
[18:21] <fta> hm
[18:21] <asac> look in jaunty (http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libcanberra0 is intrepid)
[18:21] <fta> bad then
[18:22] <asac> Recommends: is ok imo  ... does what we want on gnome and probably kde will complain ... but lets wait for that first
[18:22] <asac> or add it as Depends: explicitly of -gnome-support
[18:22] <asac> s/of/to/
[18:24] <fta> i need to ask to mventnor if there's a minimum version of libcanberra required, otherwise, it need to put that in my ppa too
[18:24] <fta> I already have 99 packages :P
[18:25] <asac> fta: you can ... but you dont need to ;)
[18:25] <asac> its optional after all ;)
[18:25]  * fta should not type with frozen hands
[18:26] <asac> hopefully the SONAME version properly reflects canberra requirements:
[18:26] <asac> libcanberra = PR_LoadLibrary("libcanberra.so.0");
[18:26] <asac> so if we believe in the mightiness of canberra folks this means that they didnt break ABI ;)
[18:27] <fta> it's a really young library, i have serious doubts
[18:27] <asac> yeah ;) ... we should discover that then and request demotion from main if they proofed that they didnt care about ABI
[18:28] <asac> but from what i see just a very few symbols are used by moz
[18:28] <fta> it's a dep of epiphany-*
[18:28] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/103214/
[18:28] <asac> so hopefully those are stable
[18:28] <asac> yeah. i assume its properly tracked ABI then
[18:28] <asac> if it breaks we have to hunt them down
[18:29] <asac> so in theory intrepid version should be ok too
[18:30] <fta> well, read the bug
[18:30] <fta> > +typedef struct _ca_context ca_context;
[18:30] <fta> >
[18:30] <fta> > Is it worth copying this stuff from libcanberra, or should we just have a
[18:30] <fta> > configure check so that this code is only built when libcanberra dev headers
[18:30] <fta> > are installed?
[18:30] <fta> Definitely worth it, maybe reconsider at a later stage. libcanberra is very
[18:30] <fta> new, only GNOME 2.24 has it as a new dependency.
[18:30] <asac> yes ... so all fine imo
[18:31] <asac> either make a hard depends on moz-gnome-support
[18:31] <asac> or a Recommends: on xulrunner-1.9
[18:31] <asac> i guess the former is what we want without causing fud among kde folks
[18:32] <fta> i already made it Recommends: of xul 1.9.1/2. i'm tempted to make it a Dep of -*gnome-* too but for that, i must push it to my ppa
[18:33] <fta> because i do all my stuff for hardy too
[18:33] <asac> fta: hmm ... didnt you say you pushed a new xul 1.9.2 snapshot with my last commit?
[18:33] <asac> all fine. just have find out what you referred to with "done" ;)
[18:33] <fta> too bad i don't have stats for my ppa, i would seriously consider dropping things that are no longer needed
[18:34] <fta> last commit of when? i did xul yesterday eve
[18:34] <asac> fta: you should ask pitti ... i think he has some nice scripts used to identify rotten things in the main archive
[18:34] <asac> e.g. stuff that is in main, but doesnt have a depends in main anymore
[18:34] <asac> and so on
[18:35] <fta> how will it help me?
[18:35] <asac> and a bunch of other consistency scripts
[18:35] <asac> fta: it will find stuff that isnt required anymore ;)
[18:35] <fta> i just need usage stats
[18:35] <asac> hmm
[18:35] <asac> well
[18:35] <asac> thats a differen thing then ;)
[18:35] <fta> yes
[18:35] <asac> i would say that you shouldnt feel obliged to continue stuff for which you never get any feedback
[18:36] <asac> just keep the head builds for now ... until we have ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily or something
[18:36] <asac> :)
[18:36] <asac> i just feel relucaant to add new teams for each and every use case... since soon multi-ppas-per-user/team will be available
[18:38] <fta> i thought about ubuntu-mozilla-releases with just milestones, not snapshots
[18:38] <asac> fta: yeah. we can have plenty of topics
[18:39] <asac> ubuntu-mozilla-milestones, ubuntu-mozilla-per-commit
[18:40] <asac> i will check when multi PPAs will land
[18:40] <asac> if thats longer than one month ahead i am not sure i want to wait ;)
[18:41] <asac> also stuff like:
[18:41] <asac> ubuntu-mozilla-ports-1.9.2 (e.g. every embedding stuff built against 1.9.2 snapshots)
[18:42] <asac> auto triggered respins when xulrunner receives a new commit ;)
[18:42] <asac> fun
[18:42] <asac> probably a waste of power though ;)
[18:47] <fta> no way it could work with our work-flow. It would need partial rebuilds
[18:47] <fta> at least for trunk
[18:50] <fabrice_sp> asac: about your previous comment. Does that mean that all the extension changes has to be done in bazar? Even things like the one in Bug #286225?
[18:51] <fabrice_sp> (and is there a kind of tutorial/wiki on bazar usage. If for extension, better!)
[18:51] <fabrice_sp> I'm refering to this one: <asac> fabrice_sp: if you do something please do it in the bzr branches ;)
[18:54] <asac> fabrice_sp: no. would be beneficial to move that to bzr, but if its synched from debian we can keep it out
[18:56] <asac> fabrice_sp: if you start to package something new, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions ... there are packaging links too
[18:56] <asac> fta: what do you mean by "partial rebuilds"?
[18:56] <asac> you mean PPAs wont be able to catch up?
[18:57] <asac> to produce a package for each and every commit in -central?
[18:57] <asac> jcastro: gwibber crashed on me :/ no crash file though
[18:58] <asac> i sent something ... it disappeared ... i thought it was not send and i rewrote it and posted ... suddenly both popped up
[19:04] <fta> maybe we should restart update-notifier, it keeps a file descriptor open
[19:05] <fta> Warning: The following processes are using deleted files:
[19:05] <fta>          Process: /usr/bin/update-notifier    PID: 8061    File: /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/firefox-3.1-restart-required
[19:07] <fta> Upload Warnings:
[19:07] <fta> PPA exceeded its size limit (6319.00 of 5120.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space.
[19:09] <asac> i had sudden death of system
[19:09]  * asac rebooted
[19:09] <asac> darn
[19:09] <asac> this upgrade wasnt good
[19:09] <asac> everything is slow as hell
[19:09] <asac> damn
[19:09] <asac> damn damn
[19:09] <asac> all worked well
[19:09] <asac> now i am doomed
[19:10] <asac> maybe Xorg breakage for sure
[19:12] <asac> wft XOrg 97% :(
[19:12] <asac> fail!
[19:13] <asac> * Disable terminal function entirely * Add x11fnc.sh to provide several general purpose X bash functions
[19:14] <asac> could it be that?
[19:15] <fta> donno, i have X on hold until they solve the nvidia mess
[19:18]  * asac tries something
[19:24] <asac> fta: 20:22 < asac> bryce: tjaalton: seems like enabling exa caused this. going for Xaa makes things go back to normal  (https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3)
[19:24] <asac> 20:22 < asac> bryce: tjaalton: what info do you need? i would love to have this fixed ... but in worst case we have to  exclude this card from exa i think. let me knew
[19:24] <asac> so i am lucky and back to normal :)
[19:24]  * asac rides the bleeding edge
[19:24] <fta> :)
[19:27] <fta> i have a bunch of /tmp/plugtmp/plugin--xxxx left behind
[19:27] <fta> Warning: File '/tmp/plugtmp/plugin--1171' (score: 210) contains some suspicious content and should be checked.
[19:27] <fta> Warning: File '/tmp/plugtmp/plugin--2758' (score: 200) contains some suspicious content and should be checked.
[19:27] <fta> Warning: File '/tmp/plugtmp/plugin-' (score: 210) contains some suspicious content and should be checked.
[19:27] <fta> Warning: File '/tmp/plugtmp/plugin--1012' (score: 210) contains some suspicious content and should be checked.
[19:27] <fta> etc..
[19:27] <fta> firefox ?
[19:33] <asac> hmm
[19:33] <asac> short live bug 315889
[19:59] <ddeath> Hi
[19:59] <ddeath> I would like to swap button set on awesomebar activation/deactivation event
[20:00] <ddeath> I have found openAutocompletePopup method, but I need rather something like popuphidde
[20:00] <ddeath> method
[20:06] <saivann> asac : ping
[20:09] <asac> saivann: yes?
[20:09] <wikz> fta: what's the diff between install/$(DEB_MOZ_APPLICATION):: and the .install files ?
[20:10] <saivann> asac : I wanted to know if you still have someone who's working to setup rosetta for thunderbird/sunbird/lightning translation in ubuntu?
[20:10] <fta> wikz, in the *.install files, you cannot rename anything, and you can't do anything conditionally
[20:10] <wikz> fta: apart from permissions can be set in the rules file?
[20:10] <asac> saivann: hard to say ;) ... i hoped for full xpi support before the roll out
[20:11] <wikz> fta: and which one superseedes the other? I mean if I have the same set of files, will it have any adverse effect
[20:11] <ddeath> Where can I find help about developing firefox
[20:11] <saivann> asac : Does that need some changes in rosetta itself? If no, I can start working on this
[20:11] <asac> ddeath: http://developer.mozilla.org/
[20:12] <fta> wikz, both are applied, i think the files are first but you should not depend on that
[20:13] <asac> saivann: i think there are multiple steps: 1. get the template whitelisted, so that builds/uploads get digested and the template taken from there
[20:13] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/mozcentral-commits.png
[20:13] <wikz> fta: reason is that I need to get rid of the executable-not-elf-or-script warnings and I was thinking if I take the install -m route, it is the best. what do you say ?
[20:13] <asac> 2. get me to enabling more applications for po2xpi on an internal host that does the translation for rosetta now
[20:14] <asac> fta: mark said that he would like to be able to have per-commit builds in his opening speech at UDS ... didnt he say that ;)?
[20:14] <fta> wikz, i have a fix perm rule already in the xul & ff packages
[20:14] <asac> afair he explictily mentioned firefox in his example ;)
[20:14] <fta> asac, yes, i wanted to have details on that but noone i asked knew
[20:15] <asac> fta: the details are: do it ;)
[20:15] <fta> asac, I have the bot but not the h/w
[20:15] <asac> fta: i think if we have it and there are not enough resources, we can probably raise this and disable the "per-commit" thing to be a "three-builds a day" or something
[20:16] <saivann> asac : Mmh :-/ I guess there's nothing in these steps that I can work on?
[20:16] <asac> fta: can you plumber a script together that does that so i can run that on some internal host from where we can upload tarballs in a second?
[20:16] <asac> saivann: you can
[20:16] <asac> saivann: you can get the first step done ... talk to arnegoetje
[20:16] <asac> saivann: ask him "why arent the thunderbird templates there"
[20:17] <asac> but first:
[20:17] <asac> check that after a tbird build there is a directory debian/lp-xpi-export/ or something
[20:17] <asac> but now that i think about it ;)
[20:17] <asac> saivann: can you please try to build depend on mozilla-devscripts for tbird
[20:18] <asac> and look in debian/rules of firefox 3
[20:18] <asac> # translation flags
[20:18] <asac> MOZ_TRANSLATION_AUTO_XPI_OUTDIR := debian/lp-export-xpis/
[20:18] <asac> MOZ_TRANSLATION_AUTO_XPI_SEARCHDIRS := debian/$(DEBIAN_NAME)
[20:18] <asac> MOZ_TRANSLATION_AUTO_XPI_LOCALE := en-US
[20:18] <asac> include /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/lp-locale-export.mk
[20:19] <asac> also look at the binary-post-install/$(DEBIAN_NAME):: in firefox 3 debian/rules
[20:19] <fta> asac, I can upload in a few secs from work too ;)
[20:19] <asac> there we add the install.rdf to the en-US.xpi (which is produced from lp-locale-export.mk automagically)
[20:19] <saivann> asac : I see, this is how Firefox is actually translated, right? That means that I can use it as a good example for Thunderbird?
[20:20] <asac> saivann: yes
[20:20] <asac> saivann: you need to provide the template to launchpad
[20:20] <asac> putting a en-US.xpi in debian/lp-export-xpis/ serves for that purpose
[20:20] <asac> the lp-export-export.mk is what produces a langpack .xpi from a build-tree
[20:21] <saivann> asac : This is the first time that I do this, I'll begin and see if I get some relevant work
[20:21] <asac> saivann: yeah. should be not too hard. first stell. add the lines from above to debian/rules
[20:21] <asac> second step: verify that a build really has something in MOZ_TRANSLATION_AUTO_XPI_OUTDIR after the build has finished
[20:22] <ddeath> There's not seperate IRC channel??
[20:22] <asac> if thats the case you just need to add the install.rdf somehow ... because that file cannot be magically produced by lp-locale-export.mk
[20:22] <asac> ddeath: for what?
[20:22] <ddeath> For developing question
[20:22] <asac> what kind of question?
[20:22] <ddeath> For example for extension maker
[20:22] <asac> extension stuff is definitly different channel than firefox core stuff ;)
[20:22] <ddeath> I will changing icons on awesomebar in some events(on focus)
[20:22] <ddeath> And I can do it.
[20:23] <saivann> asac : Thank you very much for these informations, I'll start working and get back to you once I'll have some work done
[20:23] <ddeath> But I cannot receive situation if user exit from popup
[20:23] <asac> ddeath: you mean "mouse leave" event?
[20:24] <asac> saivann: thanks. start with tbird from bzr branch is probably the best ;)
[20:24] <ddeath> Not.
[20:24] <asac> (or apt-get source jaunty) ;)
[20:24] <ddeath> Somethink like focus stollen
[20:24] <ddeath> Events which occurs when popup hiddes
[20:24] <ddeath> (disappear)
[20:28] <asac> ddeath: maybe you could use .css to achieve what you want?
[20:29] <ddeath> :focus pseudoclass??
[20:29] <ddeath> Maybe
[20:29] <asac> something like that yes.
[20:29] <ddeath> I don't see
[20:29] <asac> i think would be more practical as doing all the addEvent/removeEventListener
[20:29] <asac> at some point forgetting something and then messing memory up ;)
[20:29] <asac> hehe
[20:29] <saivann> asac : Oh, thanks for the hint :)
[20:31] <asac> ddeath: you can basically listen for everything for everything: like: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=addEventListener shows a bunch of things
[20:31] <asac> ddeath: anyway, I think #extdev on irc.mozilla.org is the resource you want ;)
[20:32] <ddeath> Thank
[20:47] <wikz> fta: the file spicebird in the root directory is the main app launcher and is marked executable but doesn't start with a #!/bin/sh which and so lintian complains. what should I do? use a lintian override?
[20:48] <wikz> fta: the fix-perm worked wonderfully otherwise, thanks :)
[20:48] <fta> wikz, the idea of my fix perm is also to log, so it could be reported and fixed upstream
[20:49] <fta> wikz, by app launcher, you mean *.desktop file or a script in /usr/bin?
[20:49] <wikz> fta: yes
[20:49] <wikz> fta: in fact it has a #!/bin/sh line but it's commented out. I will report upstream who sits next to me :)
[20:50] <wikz> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/103268/
[20:51] <fta> yep bad, line 37 must be 1st
[20:52] <wikz> fta: also about the xpm warning. since 0.7 has already been tagged how should I rectify the warning, we had a png for a menu icon
[20:53] <fta> you have both?
[20:54] <wikz> we have an xpm but it's 48X48
[20:54] <wikz> so another problem
[20:54] <wikz> so even if I link to it, it complains
[20:54] <wikz> menu-icon-too-big /usr/share/pixmaps/spicebird.xpm: 48x48 > 32x32
[20:55] <fta> don't you have a png somewhere in the tree?
[20:55] <wikz> yup I do
[20:57] <fta> can't you use that?
[20:59] <wikz> fta: but lintian says not to use pngs for menu :E: spicebird: menu-icon-not-in-xpm-format /usr/share/pixmaps/spicebird.png . If that is acceptable, then I will go for a lintian override.
[21:01] <fta> wikz, i would use a png or a svg and use "Icon=foo" without extension in the desktop file, that's perfectly fine. imho, xpm should be deprecated
[21:02] <wikz> fta: :)
[21:03] <fta> perfectly fine.. in ubuntu. for debian, i don't know how picky they are for that
[21:07] <wikz> fta: well, I will tell them upstream doesn't provide any ;)
[21:10] <fta> mozilla dropped support for xpm last year
[21:15] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/openoffice.org/1:3.0.1~rc1-2ubuntu1  !!
[21:15] <fta> at last
[21:18] <asac> urgh ... scary
[21:18] <asac> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic
[21:18] <asac> Segmentation fault
[21:19] <asac> help ... now its:
[21:19] <asac> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-9-generic
[21:19] <asac> Illegal instruction
[21:19] <asac> Segmentation fault
[21:19] <asac> the beginning of the end?
[21:21] <fta> you're doomed
[21:21]  * asac doesnt want a broken initramfs :(
[21:21] <asac> and this happens after i invested about an hour to get this system working without monitor (e.g. had to remove graphics card)
[21:23] <fta> openoffice.org_3.0.1~rc1-2ubuntu1.diff.gz  (95.8 MiB)
[21:23] <fta> lol, 100M compressed
[21:23] <fta> openoffice.org_3.0.1~rc1.orig.tar.gz  (319.7 MiB)  d'oh!
[21:24] <asac> ok creawting a new ramfs
[21:24] <asac> please please please
[21:24] <asac> it worked \o/
[21:25] <asac> but dpkg --configure -a tries it again :(
[21:25]  * asac prays
[21:25] <asac> and reboots
[21:26] <asac> ok no ping anymore :( ... lets hope it comes back ;)
[21:27] <asac> what makes this even more shaky is the fact that its the first server running with NM-only in the universe i guess ;)
[21:27] <asac> its back!!!!
[21:27] <asac> i always new that NM is superior :-)
[21:28] <asac> s/new/knew/
[21:33] <wikz> fta: why doesn't sb not show up in system>preferences>preferred applications ? isn't a .menu file enough?
[21:34] <wikz> s/not//
[21:35] <fta> preferred application is not using .menu
[21:38] <fta> it's directly in gnome-control-center
[21:38] <asac> hard-coded
[21:38] <asac> someone should step up and make that configurable
[21:38] <asac> though i even heard that gnome folks said that making it too easy to change wasnt good (though idont see much sense in it)
[21:39] <fta> last year, i patched it to add ff3.0 => http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11676540/gnome-control-center_2.21.90-0ubuntu2~fta1.diff.gz
[21:39] <fta> apps should be able to register themselves in there
[22:01] <asac> yeah i agree
[23:12] <white> asac: so, i am somewhat online now :)
[23:12] <white> asac: pretty cold here actually :/
[23:12] <white> asac: can you prepare and upload fixed xulrunner packages to stable-security? Looks like I'll take that DSA as well :)
[23:12] <white> asac: and are you doing iceweasel or should I talk to Eric?
[23:13] <white> asac: i can also help you tomorrow, I'll have more time then :)
[23:14] <asac> white: eric is responsible for iceweasel
[23:14] <asac> ;)
[23:14] <asac> i can look into xul tomorrow too then
[23:14] <white> cool, thanks :)
[23:45] <fta> asac, seamonkey needs love in ubuntu too :(


[00:37] <azx> When i open an app window in kubuntu it's always too small and has part of the content cut off and i have to resize it
[00:37] <azx> is there a setting i can set to automatically make the window large enough to show the content within
[00:38] <azx> I've changed the scale to be large enough to read on my 4k display
[00:38] <azx> i think the windows are opening with the old sizing method for the tiny scale
[00:38] <azx> because if the scale is tiny,  idon't have this issue
[01:14] <mparillo> azx: I have never done it but under your application window icon can you More Actions > Configure Special Window Settings or More Actions > Configure Special Window Settings
[01:15] <mparillo> Second option should be Configure Special Application Settings.
[01:16] <azx> mparillo: Thanks! I'll have to do that on a per-application basis
 I am about to move from Arch to Kubuntu because of AMD pro drivers but the question I have is how to early load intel-microcode in Kubuntu or is it already installed and set up this way??  I am pretty sure it is different for me in Arch. Any help or explanations are appreciated.
[02:00] <k_sze> Does Kubuntu (18.04) support fractional scaling of display
[03:33] <valorie> @freefreeno afaik, intel-microcode comes through with other updates
[03:33] <valorie> I never added any extra repos, etc.
[03:33] <valorie> !info intel-microcode
[03:36] <valorie> k_sze: fractional scaling was introduced in 2019, so I doubt that it will work in 18.04, even with backports
 @valorie, I wasn't talking about installing intel-microcode. I was asking if it loaded early by default. It is recommeded to load intel-microcode early in the boot process but it can be loaded late. The last time I used Ubuntu distro I believe it was being loaded late. I want to know if loads EARLY by default.
[03:43] <valorie> that I don't know
 Josh, what card are you using?
[03:44] <valorie> the kubuntu team doesn't do that part of preparing the ISO, etc.
[03:45] <valorie> I was going to suggest asking in #ubuntu, but @DarinMiller knows hardware, drivers, etc.
 intel microcode install is optional on Kubutu  (can be installed after OS install: sudo apt install intel-microcode).
 I recommend installing 19.10 and adding backports PPA.  Better fractional scaling support will soon be available in plasma 5.18 and then upgrade to 20.04 (an LTS release).
 If 18.04 is a must, use a combination of Force Font DPI  and/or display scaling to achieve the desired results.
 @DarinMiller, I am on the i7 9750H and I have been loading the intel-ucode at boot fro years and would like to know how this is done in Kubuntu
 @DarinMiller, I was under the impression from the wiki that everyone should be loading there microcode at boot or at least loading it late but loading it early is the recomended way.
 @DarinMiller, i7 9750H
 @DarinMiller, I load mine now with systemd boot it loads early with grub also. This is how I configure it. I would just like to know how after I install the intel-microcode package what do I do then to load it early.
 @valorie, Thanks for helping.
[05:34] <valorie> you're welcome!
 @valorie, Maybe I am asking this wrong. We use intel-ucode.
[05:35] <valorie> if you have further questions, #ubuntu may be better
 @valorie, I asked this same thing at Ubuntu forums and got no help. Thanks though. I think I am supposed to use iucode_tool in Ubuntu distro's. I just don't understand how to use it.
[05:50] <valorie> @freefreeno I'm not sure why doing anything special would be required?
[05:51] <valorie> !info iucode_tool
[05:52] <valorie> there is https://gitlab.com/iucode-tool/iucode-tool
[05:52] <valorie> but it doesn't explain why its use would be necessary
 Not to sound ike a you know what but  BUT are you saying that you recomend that people use there PC's without installing the microcode for there processors???
[05:53] <valorie> I do use it
 @valorie, Ok hold on one sec then and we can get to the bottom of this.
[05:55] <valorie> I'm really the wrong person to discuss this with, @freefreeno
 @valorie, It only takes one command to see if your has automatically loaded early is all I am saying. I am getting the command now. It will be in dmesg or journal.
[05:56] <valorie> sorry, have other things to do
 journalctl -k --grep='microcode'
 @valorie, journalctl -k --grep='microcode'
[05:58] <valorie> journalctl -k --grep='microcode'
[05:58] <valorie> -- Logs begin at Sun 2018-12-16 02:29:24 PST, end at Sun 2020-02-02 21:55:24 PST. --
[05:58] <valorie> Jan 14 12:58:26 valorie-Oryx-Pro kernel: microcode: microcode updated early to revision 0xca, date = 2019-10-03
[05:58] <valorie> Jan 14 12:58:26 valorie-Oryx-Pro kernel: microcode: sig=0x906e9, pf=0x20, revision=0xca
[05:58] <valorie> Jan 14 12:58:26 valorie-Oryx-Pro kernel: microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.2.
[05:58] <valorie> @freefreeno
 @valorie, Ok this is all I need to see and all you did was install intel-microcode ???
[05:59] <valorie> yes
 @valorie, Ok thanks. This has to be configured in Arch.
[05:59] <valorie> never anything special
[05:59] <valorie> lol, doesn't surprise me
[05:59] <valorie> :-)
[06:00] <valorie> one of the many reasons I use Kubuntu rather than the alternatives
 @valorie, Its like three words but nevertheless
[06:00] <valorie> real magick is often simple
 @valorie, What keeps me from making the jump for a couple years is hardware acceleration in chromium and the widevine package. I have to have these things.
[06:01] <valorie> !info widevine
 @ubottu, Yes I know and that means no netflix or anything in chromium and no hardware acceleration.
 @ubottu, So its chrome for vids with no hw accel
[06:03] <valorie> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=chromium-widevine
[06:03] <valorie> I suppose that is installable with dpkg
 @valorie, See you've been a great help. Now if Ubuntu just had a patched chromium with vappi
[06:04] <valorie> you could file a "needs packaging" bug against it
[06:04] <valorie> and ask for the patch, too
[06:05] <valorie> possibly available as a snap
 @valorie, Well they did have an experimental snapd package with it enabled but I think that is gone now.
[06:11] <valorie> bummer
 I just am a chrome user and I like to watch videos and it makes a huge difference especially if your on battery.
 @valorie, Processor run at like 5 to 8% with it playing HD but without it is like 20 %
[06:14] <valorie> ok
 @valorie, Thanks again.
[06:15] <valorie> yw
[07:24] <lordievader> Good morning
 Hello
 😀😀
[10:58] <Qik> why is translation lacking on 19.10 ?
[10:58] <Qik> on 18.04 wherything is translated
[10:58] <Qik> on 19.10 there are things that arent
[11:51] <lordievader> File a regression bug
[11:53] <user|5091> hi, does kubuntu come "out of the box" with a proper rdp client?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:40] <lordievader> user|5091: I don't think it comes with it out of the box, but remmina is one `apt-get install` away.
[13:24] <BluesKaj> !crosspost
[14:49] <nenad> is anyone alive?
[15:05] <ray_> Is the program KArm (time tracking app) still available?
[15:06] <ray_> (I used it several years ago and haven't needed it agin until recently)
[15:07] <ray_> Or is there an alternative? I am lookin for something simple that will track time spent based on desktop used and stop timing on idle
[16:05] <ray_> Is the program KArm (time tracking app) still available?
[16:06] <ray_> (I used it several years ago and haven't needed it agin until recently)
[16:06] <ray_> Or is there an alternative? I am lookin for something simple that will track time in multiple categories based on desktop used and stop timing on idle
[21:16] <Wizard_> can i have question about kubuntu?
[22:24] <user|196323> I have a kubuntu question. Is anyone around to answer?
[22:28] <wardred> It's better just to ask.  What's up?
[22:29] <user|196323> I previously installed (I think) 19.04 from a USB stick
[22:29] <user|196323> but I've changed to 19.10 from a DVD
[22:29] <user|196323> However something weird about the partitions
[22:30] <user|196323> it's all on the same laptop, but this time I have a small fat32 partition
[22:30] <user|196323> I don't remember ever having that previously
[22:30] <user|196323> should I be worried
[22:30] <wardred> I believe that's typically the UEFI partition, asuming you're using UEFI to boot instead of bios.
[22:31] <user|196323> I'm too much of a noob to know what i'm using to boot
[22:31] <wardred> That's pretty typical on modern hardware.
[22:31] <user|196323> But why didn't it do that on this laptop from the USB stick?
[22:31] <user|196323> (at least as far as I remember)
[22:32] <wardred> Depending on how things were setup, and/or what type of USB stick you were using, UEFI boot may not have been an option.
[22:32] <wardred> USB stick is a little touchier than DVD.
[22:32] <user|196323> What would be the tangible difference between a UEFI boot and a non-UEFI boot
[22:32] <user|196323> i.e. what's the difference in how it looks
[22:33] <wardred> I don't know all the particulars, but you can search for Ubuntu USB not booting UEFI or something similar.
[22:33] <user|196323> Well I'm not bothered about how it boots so long as it works
[22:33] <user|196323> It was just a red flag to me to have an extra partition compared with what i'd had before
[22:37] <wardred> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[22:37] <wardred> You should be good.  I'm not 100% sure why the USB stick didn't create the fat32 partition.  I'm out, have fun!
[22:50] <pica> aloha
[23:49] <Wizard_> I just run do-release-upgrade and it stucked after installing chrome via snap,... then i runned apt ugrade and it downloaded stuff,... is there a way how to tell that everything is alright and proper? system works, but i had to ctrl+c that do-release-upgrade after that chromium install. so iam worried, that there is something missing.
[23:49] <Wizard_> (from kubuntu 18.04 to 19.10)


[17:17] <PaulW2U> I won't be adding http://techaeris.com/2015/10/01/sources-claim-microsoft-is-buying-canonical-ubuntu-is-there-logic-behind-the-rumors/ to the prep doc just yet :)
[17:28] <pleia2> it's a bit too speculation for me
[17:28] <pleia2> so, good call
[17:31] <PaulW2U> It's got to be a joke surely?
[17:32] <pleia2> I've heard similar rumors, but question their validity, I'd rather not spread gossip
[17:33] <pleia2> Canonical and MS do have a strong relationship, so I believe any positioning by Canonical to get legal things straightened out with the FSF are related to that partnership, not because MS wants to buy them


[00:02] <perilousapricot> yeah, it shows all the recordings
[00:02] <perilousapricot> just the disk usage isn't there
[00:03] <perilousapricot> http://pastebin.com/dff7b919
[00:03] <perilousapricot> is the output
[00:17] <perilousapricot> rhpot1991, sorry, see above, I forgot to quote your name
[00:31] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: do a ls -la ~/.mythtv/config.xml
[00:32] <perilousapricot> it's empty
[00:32] <perilousapricot> -rw-r--r-- 1 amelo amelo 0 2009-02-17 14:08 /home/amelo/.mythtv/config.xml
[00:33] <rhpot1991> that is weird
[00:33] <rhpot1991> have you run the frontend as this user?
[00:40] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: that file should have the db connection info in it, and mythtv-status looks for that.  If you run the frontend as that user then it should populate it, if you aren't going to be running the frontend as that user then make a symlink to /etc/mythtv/config.xml instead
[00:42] <perilousapricot> I'm running the frontend as a user right now
[00:43] <rhpot1991> the user who ran mythtv-status there though?
[00:44] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: each user had their own home directory, and the perl mythtv bindings expect that config file to live there for whoever it is running as
[00:45] <perilousapricot> same user
[00:45] <perilousapricot> the same user that's running the frontend is running mythtv-status
[00:46] <rhpot1991> hmmm did you do upnp backend by chance?
[00:46] <perilousapricot> I'm pretty use I manually entered it so that it would work with the ipod touch remote application'
[00:47] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: thats weird, try this (if you can), close the frontend then delete that file and then relaunch the frontend
[00:47] <perilousapricot> k, 2 seconds
[00:47] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: this is from the weekly builds right?
[00:47] <perilousapricot> yes
[00:49] <perilousapricot> okay, redid it, the config.xml got populated, but the mythtv-status is still incorrect
[00:49] <dashcloud> any ideas why mythweb is suddenly timing out instantly? (I remember installing the php updates recently, and I think it stopped working around that time)
[00:49] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: same as the pastebin you did or different?
[00:49] <perilousapricot> the dbi connection error isn't there
[00:50] <perilousapricot> a couple things different, let me repaste
[00:50] <rhpot1991> ok
[00:51] <nOStahl> hi guys. im trying to do svideo out to my tv but its all black and white any idea's  where to start looking to get this fixed?
[00:51] <perilousapricot> http://pastebin.com/d7002b536
[00:51] <perilousapricot> n0stahl - is it distorted otherwise
[00:52] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: do a locate config.xml and pastebin that
[00:53] <perilousapricot> http://pastebin.com/d67e2682f
[00:53] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: verify that /root/.mythtv/config.xml has something in it
[00:53] <rhpot1991> and then run mythtv-status without the verbose
[00:54] <rhpot1991> I think that weird line is debugging stuffs
[00:54] <perilousapricot> the /root/mythtv/config.xml is from an older version when that machine had a different ip address
[00:55] <rhpot1991> maybe not actually
[00:55] <perilousapricot> mythtv-status gives this still:
[00:55] <perilousapricot> Total Disk Space: Total space is __drive_total_total__ MB, with __drive_total_used__ MB used (unknown)
[00:55] <perilousapricot> Total Disk Space: Total space is 102,350 MB, with 74,594 MB used (72.9%)
[00:55] <perilousapricot> but not the debug lines
[00:55] <perilousapricot> wait, it still is giving the debug lines
[00:55] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: is /root/.mythtv/config.xml a symlink or the actual file?
[00:56] <perilousapricot> it's a real file
[00:56] <rhpot1991> I don't see an /etc/mythtv/config.xml in here, see if that exists
[00:56] <rhpot1991> so you dropped that there at some point?
[00:58] <perilousapricot> I didn't do it manually
[00:58] <perilousapricot> there's a mysql.txt but no config.xml in /etc/mythtv
[00:59] <rhpot1991> do a dpkg -l mythtv
[00:59] <rhpot1991> get me the full version of that
[01:00] <perilousapricot> do you mean with a wildcard?
[01:00] <perilousapricot> or with just 'mythtv'
[01:00] <rhpot1991> just mythtv should be enough
[01:00] <nOStahl> perilousapricot it is not distorted at all
[01:00] <perilousapricot> ||/ Name                    Version                 Description
[01:00] <perilousapricot> +++-[01:00] <perilousapricot> ii  mythtv                  0.21.0+trunk19951-0ubun A personal video recorder application (client and server)
[01:00] <tgm4883> wtf?
[01:00] <tgm4883> 0.21.0+trunk19951-0ubun
[01:01] <perilousapricot> I guess it cut it off
[01:01] <tgm4883> so is that .21 or .22?
[01:01] <perilousapricot> .22
[01:01] <rhpot1991> wait how is it .22?
[01:01] <nOStahl> perilousapricot its not distorted at all just black and white. what should i do
[01:01] <rhpot1991> ah trunk
[01:01] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, one second
[01:01] <rhpot1991> that would explain it
[01:01] <rhpot1991> my config.xml change is in fixes not in trunk
[01:02] <perilousapricot> yeah, it's the trunk, there's not an official .22 tagged yet
[01:02] <perilousapricot> rhpot1991, ahhhh
[01:02] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: ok so you gotta do some crap by hand now
[01:02] <rhpot1991> copy that config.xml out of your ~/.mythtv dir into /ec/mythtv/
[01:02] <rhpot1991> then symlink from /.root/.mythtv/ to it
[01:03] <rhpot1991> and from /home/mythtv/.mythtv/
[01:03] <perilousapricot> okay
[01:03] <perilousapricot> one sec
[01:03] <rhpot1991> I'll talk to superm1 and see about getting those changes in there or not
[01:04] <perilousapricot> waiiiiit
[01:04] <rhpot1991> heh, take your time
[01:04] <perilousapricot> I'm on the wrong machine
[01:04] <perilousapricot> wait, I as on the right one
[01:04] <perilousapricot> ssh gets confusing
[01:06] <perilousapricot> no dice, rhpot1991
[01:07] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: no dice how
[01:07] <rhpot1991> still have some stuff to do
[01:08] <perilousapricot> no dice as in there was no change
[01:08] <perilousapricot> I'm not concerned though, i was just letting you know in case it needed to be fixed
[01:09] <rhpot1991> do sudo /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-status
[01:09] <perilousapricot> no output
[01:10] <rhpot1991> wont be any
[01:10] <rhpot1991> it regenerates some of the info
[01:10] <rhpot1991> now run mythtv-status again
[01:10] <perilousapricot> same
[01:10] <dashcloud> anyone have an idea where I can find the things mentioned in this error message?  Unknown: Cannot use both zlib.output_compression and output_handler together!! in Unknown on line 0

[01:11] <perilousapricot> dashcloud, somewhere beneath /etc/php5
[01:11] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: verify that the info in /.root/.mythtv/config.xml is the same as ~/.mythtv/config.xml ?
[01:11] <perilousapricot> those are php configuration options
[01:12] <nOStahl> hrmm looks like i need to add some lines to xorg.conf?
[01:12] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, what video card do you have?
[01:12] <nOStahl> intel graphics
[01:12] <dashcloud> perilousapricot: thanks
[01:12] <perilousapricot> rhpot1991, diff says they're the same
[01:12] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, hmm, I don't know about that
[01:12] <rhpot1991> perilousapricot: you may have found a bug then
[01:12] <nOStahl> i've had it doing color in the past
[01:12] <nOStahl> it was a year ago heh
[01:12] <rhpot1991> I'd file a bug report on it
[01:13] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, it may actually be a problem with your cable if you're using svideo
[01:13] <rhpot1991> all the info is there though, so its usable at least
[01:13] <perilousapricot> svideo has a separate connector for the color information
[01:13] <perilousapricot> rhpot1991, yeah
[01:13] <nOStahl> its not the cable
[01:13] <nOStahl> its a good cable
[01:13] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, how do you know? :)
[01:13] <nOStahl> cause i tested it :)
[01:17] <thegrumpygnome> hello, I m running 8.10 on a new install on a dc530 (3.0 ghz) pc.  the movie onthe lcd looks fine but on the geforce (128mb) tv out card it skips frames.
[01:17] <thegrumpygnome> I've tried finding the info on the wiki but came up with nothing for my problem
[01:18] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, if you run the frontend in a console, do you get any error messages?
[01:19] <thegrumpygnome> hi.  well, I would have to change something some where and frankly I have no idea how to get it into that mode
[01:20] <perilousapricot> run
[01:20] <thegrumpygnome> what would you suggest?
[01:20] <nOStahl> perilousapricot what should i set it to
[01:20] <perilousapricot> mythfrontend -w -geometry 640x480
[01:21] <thegrumpygnome> should I remote in to do it or exit the app?
[01:21] <perilousapricot> you should exit the app
[01:21] <perilousapricot> and then do it from the console
[01:21] <thegrumpygnome> ok give me 2
[01:24] <thegrumpygnome> I see tear lines
[01:24] <thegrumpygnome> if things change too quickly on both the monitor and TV
[01:24] <thegrumpygnome> which is what I saw on the TV
[01:25] <thegrumpygnome> but for errors I woul have to stop the screen and look at the console I imagine
[01:25] <perilousapricot> well, do whatever it does that makes your screen go wrong, then go back and look for errors
[01:26] <thegrumpygnome> found it.  whole page.  give me a sec to write it down... basically it says it can't run in 1024x768more
[01:26] <thegrumpygnome> mode
[01:30] <nOStahl> how do i get to a term after i ctrl alt backspace in mythbuntu
[01:33] <thegrumpygnome> What I understand from this  is that the card won't support the refresh rate the Xserver is attempting to configure it for.  And that is fine, how can I tell it to drop to 800x600 for now until I can upgrade the card?
[01:33] <thegrumpygnome> Load the propritery drivers?
[01:34] <thegrumpygnome> the last time i did that and dropped the resolution it still dropped frames (pausing then moving then pausing), rather annoying.
[01:34] <dashcloud> this is really confusing- I'm getting the error I posted above despite both of those options being off and/or null
[01:35] <thegrumpygnome> would a 256mb card work?  or do you have a recomendation for a card that is best suited for this system?
[01:35] <dashcloud> is there somewhere else I should look other than /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ?
[01:36] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot, this was for you. sorry.
[01:36] <nOStahl> how do i exit to term
[01:36] <thegrumpygnome> nostahl, type exit
[01:37] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, you should be able to
[01:37] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, are you running the right driver?
[01:37] <nOStahl> i type it in the login window?
[01:38] <thegrumpygnome> nostahl disregard what I said!  I thought you wanted to exit the window.
[01:38] <nOStahl> np heh
[01:38] <nOStahl> i want to run X -configure
[01:38] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot I loaded the recomended driver during install
[01:38] <nOStahl> but i gotta get out of x
[01:40] <thegrumpygnome> nostahl check with perilousapricot.
[01:40] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, hit ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a console
[01:41] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot I'll reload the driver and see.  What tv out card would you recomnetd
[01:41] <perilousapricot> then login and do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:41] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, your card should be fine
[01:41] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, what's the card?
[01:41] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, I have a ancient card that's working fine
[01:42] <nOStahl> it says x is still running
[01:42] <thegrumpygnome> I'm gonna pull it now and let you know.  It was a low end card to fix a 2nd monitor need for work.  And just becuase it will 1280x1024 on windows doesn't mean it will in linux.  We don't run heavy graphics : )
[01:42] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, you don't need to do that
[01:43] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, so you have 2 video cards in?
[01:43] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot I understand.
[01:43] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot yes.
[01:43] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, look through /var/log/xorg.0.log
[01:43] <perilousapricot> or something like that
[01:43] <thegrumpygnome> haupagge 150 and the card I have  pull to let you know what it is.
[01:43] <perilousapricot> it should enumerate it
[01:43] <thegrumpygnome> Ok, I will do that!
[01:43] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, or do a lspci -v and it'll tell what cards are plugged in
[01:44] <nOStahl> perilous that dosnt kill the x server
[01:44] <nOStahl> its still running
[01:46] <perilousapricot> you did a gdm stop?
[01:46] <perilousapricot> do a sudo killall X
[01:46] <nOStahl> just did it :)
[01:46] <perilousapricot> you need to be logged out of your X session first so it's at the username window
[01:46] <nOStahl> aye
[01:47] <nOStahl> k just reconfigured x
[01:47] <nOStahl> sucessfuly
[01:47] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot THAnks!  the card is from  Jaton corp.  Bus master is 66mhz medium device select latency 64
[01:47] <thegrumpygnome> capbilities (access denide)
[01:47] <thegrumpygnome> kernel modules nvidia, nvidiafb
[01:48] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, you have to do it as sudo
[01:48] <thegrumpygnome> lol
[01:48] <thegrumpygnome> OK
[01:48] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, to get around the access denied
[01:48] <perilousapricot> :)
[01:50] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot well it didn't reveal much!  Capabilities now reveal [60] power management ver. 2   : ))
[01:51] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, I'm looking for the model name
[01:51] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot I'm blind!  geforce mx4000
[01:52] <perilousapricot> mx400?
[01:53] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot  no, it says geforce4  mx4000
[01:53] <perilousapricot> oh, geforce 4
[01:53] <perilousapricot> it should be okay
[01:53] <perilousapricot> what's your processsor?
[01:53] <thegrumpygnome> 3.0 ghz
[01:53] <perilousapricot> oh, that should totally be more than enough
[01:53] <thegrumpygnome> yah.
[01:55] <nOStahl> back
[01:56] <Sharkonwheels> FYI - my prob with the Nvidia 6200 saying i had no card. Like a dummy I hadn't checked /var/log/messages, and it was full of "out of vmalloc" errors
[01:57] <Sharkonwheels> now the card works fine, mythbuntu is rocking on TV-out, now just gotta wait an hour for it to finish recording, and i'll drop a 2nd tuner in (Pinnacle PCTV HD PCI)
[02:02] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot I checked the xorg.0.log and did not find anything unusual in the way of errors.  In fact the list of modes  supported are up to 1280x1024.
[02:02] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot So I'm not sure what to make of it.
[02:02] <perilousapricot> there's a nvidia-configuration program somethiing or another
[02:03] <perilousapricot> try look it up in apt-cache search
[02:03] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot there is an option for that in the nvidia section.  BUT... when I load and run that the tv out is wrong.
[02:04] <thegrumpygnome> I'll try again
[02:04] <perilousapricot> yeah, make sure to save the xorg.conf
[02:04] <Sharkonwheels> think it's nvidia-settings in /usr/bin
[02:05] <Sharkonwheels> or nvidia-xconfig also in /usr/bin if you're looking for the tool to auto-mod the xorg.conf
[02:06] <perilousapricot> I think it might dong up because his other card is an intel
[02:06] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot and Sharkonwheels; I am running the open source it seems and not the propietary drivers.
[02:06] <nOStahl> gah none of these fixes are working
[02:06] <thegrumpygnome> tho last time I did it still tore
[02:07] <nOStahl> i've had it working last year heh
[02:07] <nOStahl> grrr
[02:07] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, there was a change in the last little bit if you're on jaunty that killed the drivers
[02:07] <thegrumpygnome> pffff  what's the command to determine which version I have??
[02:07] <Sharkonwheels> I couldn't get TVOut using open source vid drivers on my ATI Radeon 9550XL, and the TV-Out on the GF6200 looked ATROCIOUS without using drivers
[02:08] <Sharkonwheels> version of what?
[02:08] <thegrumpygnome> ubuntu
[02:08] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, dpkg --list | grep nvidia
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot; hope this means something to you... dpkg --list | grep nvidia
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> ii  nvidia-173-modaliases                     173.14.12-1-0ubuntu4                  Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org drive
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> ii  nvidia-177-kernel-source                  177.80-0ubuntu2                       NVIDIA binary kernel module source
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> ii  nvidia-177-modaliases                     177.80-0ubuntu2                       Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org drive
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> ii  nvidia-71-modaliases                      71.86.04-0ubuntu10                    Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org drive
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> ii  nvidia-96-modaliases                      96.43.05-0ubuntu10                    Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org drive
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> ii  nvidia-common                             0.2.4                                 Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> ii  nvidia-glx-177                            177.80-0ubuntu2                       NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
[02:11] <thegrumpygnome> ii  nvidia-settings                           177.78-0ubuntu2                       Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driv
[02:11] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, you should be able to use the 'nvidia' driver instead of the nv driver
[02:12] <Sharkonwheels> grumpy: cat /etc/*-release
[02:12] <thegrumpygnome> ok.  so in a terminal  I can just run nvidia-sttings and it will configure x?
[02:12] <perilousapricot> should
[02:12] <thegrumpygnome> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[02:12] <thegrumpygnome> DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.10
[02:12] <thegrumpygnome> DISTRIB_CODENAME=intrepid
[02:12] <thegrumpygnome> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.10"
[02:12] <Sharkonwheels> nvidia-settings is the pop-up X-based settings manager
[02:12] <Sharkonwheels> it won't run in a terminal window, with no X
[02:13] <Sharkonwheels> If you need to config the xorg.conf for the proprietary nvidia driver, then use nvidia-xconfig
[02:13] <Sharkonwheels> backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf first
[02:13] <rhpot1991> !pastebin | thegrumpygnome
[02:13] <Zinn> thegrumpygnome: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[02:14] <Sharkonwheels> rhpot1991: got the box working! had to get an Nvidia 6200-based XFX card, though.
[02:14] <Sharkonwheels> cpu util is super-low, TV-out works awesome, and it's rocking! Gonna add a 2nd tuner in about an hour, and see how that goes
[02:14] <Sharkonwheels> However, I DID swap out the RAM on that Athlon XP from 512MB to 1.5GB
[02:15] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: cool, using XvMC or no?
[02:15] <Sharkonwheels> Hmm....how do i find out? I config'd the back-end to use the PVR-x50, and i set the playback profiles to CPU--
[02:16] <Sharkonwheels> that was set to ivtv, and XvMC
[02:16] <Sharkonwheels> watching TV, cpu util is like 10-15% !
[02:16] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: normally you will have monochrome menus when it is in use
[02:17] <Sharkonwheels> like the standard MythTVmenus? or the pop-up while watching TV?
[02:18] <rhpot1991> the ones that come up while watching tv
[02:19] <thegrumpygnome> I gotta remember how to enable root again!  arg!
[02:19] <rhpot1991> thegrumpygnome: why?
[02:19] <rhpot1991> just use sudo?
[02:20] <Sharkonwheels> 1991: the pop-up menu itself in mono text, but the highlighting bar (shows waht you have selected) is green
[02:21] <thegrumpygnome> I did and it doesn't like my password.  I should reboot.  anyway I use winscp remotely to rename files.  you have to understand I am behind a firewall  and the port to the mythbox is not open to anywhere but the internal lan
[02:21] <thegrumpygnome> it can't even update unless I reneable it to go outside
[02:22] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XvMC
[02:22] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: if you have good performance without it then you don't really need it, but just keep it in mind
[02:23] <Sharkonwheels> tx for that....brb...gonna read that link :)
[02:23] <rhpot1991> I believe in CPU-- it has an entry for it at certain resolutions, I had to play around with it on my low end box (only use it for HD though)
[02:25] <Sharkonwheels> yea - still trying to figure out those playback profiles. I don't understand what all of the settings, for example the CPU--, are for. the resolution looks repeated twice to me...
[02:26] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: what it does is goes down through them in order and the first one that matches your video it uses
[02:26] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles
[02:26] <rhpot1991> that kinda explains it
[02:33] <rhpot1991> I'd prob try out slim or cpu+ first, if you aren't using XvMC
[02:39] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot / Sharkonwheels  well guys that didn't work. did sudo nvidia-settings.  indicated that all went as it should but when I restart the xserver, even restart the system, when I try to use the nvidia configuration gui it says that it is not configured in x
[02:40] <thegrumpygnome> tried it several times
[02:40] <thegrumpygnome> I'm stumped.
[02:41] <thegrumpygnome> I did backu p the configuration before hand so that much is safe.
[02:44] <Sharkonwheels> grumpy: I missed the original explanation of your problem..can u please repeat? I had an issue with my nvidia, in that when X came up, it claimed there was no nvidia board present - is this similar?
[02:45] <Sharkonwheels> 1991: is there a limit to the number of tuners one can install/use under MythTV?
[02:46] <thegrumpygnome> yes iam !  hang on a sec.  I'll retreive the info...
[02:46] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: dunno, 8 comes to mind but that might be old or I could be completely making it up.  I think anymore there is no limit
[02:47] <Sharkonwheels> long as it ain't 3-4 I'm good  :) I bought a few at circuit city, because they're 40% off, so the HVR-1600 is like $59, and the pinnacle PCTV PCI is like $43
[02:47] <thegrumpygnome> Sharkonwheels  I m running 8.10 on a new install on a dc530 (3.0 ghz) pc.  the movie onthe lcd looks fine but on the geforce4 mx4000 (128mb) tv out card it skips frames.
[02:48] <Sharkonwheels> OK - you sure it's using the proprietary driver?
[02:49] <Sharkonwheels> for exmaple, on the mythbuntu desktop, and you go to the menu, go to System, and run the Nvidia Config program?
[02:49] <thegrumpygnome> Sharkonwheels  No.  IT is not.  It is runnign the open source drivers.  and while the tv out is great.  it drops frams and tears.  Previous install used propritary drivers and could not obtain 1024 and still dropped frames.  hope Im not too cryptic abou this.
[02:50] <thegrumpygnome> per your and perilousapricot suggestions I tried to load the propietary drivers but it won't take
[02:50] <perilousapricot> wait
[02:50] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: ya you can do that many, I have 7 and have heard of people having more than that
[02:50] <perilousapricot> are you trying to use both the intel board and the nvidia board at the same time?
[02:52] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot no.  the nvidia shut off the intel board  the nvidia card has both vga out and tv out (btw)
[02:52] <perilousapricot> okay
[02:52] <perilousapricot> so you have everything plugged into the nvidia board?
[02:52] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot  Yep
[02:53] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot  I don't know if I mentioned but I am also running 1gb of ram incase that comes up.
[02:54] <thegrumpygnome> I know more is better but that will have to wait until the next upgrade : ))
[02:54] <Sharkonwheels> mine ran fine on 512MB  :)
[02:54] <Sharkonwheels> grumpy - you have only the TV-out port in use?
[02:54] <perilousapricot> you don't really need it
[02:55] <perilousapricot> the vram
[02:55] <perilousapricot> so it works vine on the regular TV, but not the TV out
[02:55] <perilousapricot> ...regular monitor
[02:55] <Sharkonwheels> yep - I bought the 1.5GB because it cost me $45. If this works out for me (which it has) then this machine will go to my kids, and I'm gonna build a mythtv-specific machine
[02:55] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, I'm not sure
[02:56] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, I've not done this before
[02:56] <perilousapricot> nOStahl, with the video card you have
[02:57] <nOStahl> i cant wait to build a duo core atom mini itx myth box
[02:57] <Sharkonwheels> grumpy - did you try using the prop drivers, and then editing the modes in the xorg.conf file?
[02:57] <Sharkonwheels> n0Stahl: will a DC atom have the necessary horsepower? I was thinking about that...
[02:57] <nOStahl> aye it does
[02:57] <Sharkonwheels> but most of them use the standard Intel onboard gfx
[02:58] <nOStahl> i can play 1080p on my eeepc 901
[02:58] <nOStahl> it has a single core atom 1.6 gig
[02:58] <Sharkonwheels> hmm...quite an idea....there's some really nifty super-small atom-based boxes out there...
[02:58] <Sharkonwheels> shuttle has some neat small ones!
[02:59] <nOStahl> i want to build one to host my sites and serve me media heh
[03:00] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot "so it works vine on the regular TV, but not the TV out"  no right now it is tearing on both.  Just not as noticable on the monitor as you dont' see as meany frames dropped.  but it is there.  I couldn't load the prpriatary drivers either.  as I stated above.
[03:00] <thegrumpygnome> sorry for the mispelling but I am getting a bit tired.
[03:00] <thegrumpygnome> ... and it will only get worse!
[03:00] <Sharkonwheels> did you try the prop. drivers, and then editing the xorg.conf to manually set the mode, and manually set TV-Out?
[03:01] <thegrumpygnome> Sharkonwheels: "grumpy - you have only the TV-out port in use?""  no, I have both in use.  does it make a difference?  once everything is working proper the omitor will go away.
[03:02] <thegrumpygnome> BTW how do you turn off the screen saver?
[03:02] <perilousapricot> thegrumpygnome, did yuo install mythbuntu-desktop
[03:02] <perilousapricot> there's a session with all that setup
[03:03] <thegrumpygnome> I did a default install
[03:03] <thegrumpygnome> so I think the answer is yes
[03:03] <perilousapricot> are your window borders black?
[03:04] <thegrumpygnome> because this is a new install and I did not update the system that could be some of my problem.
[03:04] <thegrumpygnome> Yes
[03:04] <thegrumpygnome> they are black
[03:04] <thegrumpygnome> which I do like!
[03:04] <perilousapricot> :)
[03:04] <perilousapricot> one sec
[03:05] <thegrumpygnome> well te system is up to date now and when I try to launch the nvidia utility it still says its not configure in x.conf
[03:06] <thegrumpygnome> ok, no prob
[03:19] <thegrumpygnome> perilousapricot  Sharkonwheels  well guys 4:30 is coming quickly.  I' ll pick this back up antoher time.  Thanks for th e help
[03:49] <yojimbo-san> Can I get compiz running with my mythbuntu desktop?
[03:49] <yojimbo-san> I've installed the compizconfig-settings-manager, but changes I make in these seem to be ignored (i.e. they are reverted next time I run the program) and of course none of them seem to actually do anything ...
[03:51] <yojimbo-san> I have the nvidia driver 177 enabled and running, so that isn't my problem ... :-)
[03:56] <Sharkonwheels> installed the Pinnacle PCTV PCI card - looks like sh!t compared to the Hauppauge HVR-1600
[03:56] <Sharkonwheels> has "noise" at the very top of the screen
[03:57] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: just a tad bit on the top?
[03:58] <Sharkonwheels> yep. actually, some commercials come out OK, and use almost the entire screen.
[03:58] <Sharkonwheels> for example, it's recording Star Trek Enterprise right now, and I went to 'watch rec" and it looked like sh!t
[03:59] <Sharkonwheels> a geico commercial came on, and it used the entire height of the screen so it was only a tad bit, then went back to ST:ENT and looked like hell again
[03:59] <Zinn> Sharkonwheels: Please watch your language.
[03:59] <Sharkonwheels> my bad
[03:59] <Sharkonwheels> looked like junk?
[03:59] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: its not uncommon for some channels to to have some crap on the top
[03:59] <Sharkonwheels> hmm...even though it looks fine on the HVR-1600?
[04:00] <Sharkonwheels> mebbe I should go back and get 1-2 more HVR-1600's... at $57 they're a steal, yes?
[04:00] <Sharkonwheels> heh, I'd have 2 spare remotes, too :)
[04:01] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Overscan
[04:01] <rhpot1991> that should explain the situation pretty well
[04:02] <yojimbo-san> ah. x.comg had "lost" the Extensions / Composite / Enabled setting ...
[04:04] <yojimbo-san> and ccsm needs to be run as root ...
[04:07] <vizo1> hrmm cant seem to install libdvdread4. anyone ever see this before?
[04:10] <yojimbo-san> vizo1: and the error messages are ... ?
[04:11] <vizo1>  mencoder: Depends: libdvdread4 (>= 4.1.3) but it is not installable
[04:11] <vizo1>             Depends: libx264-64 (>= 1:0.svn20080917) but it is not installable
[04:14] <noinip> anyone use vmware server and know off the top of their head where the .vmdk is stored?
[04:16] <Sharkonwheels> I seem to recall it was under one of the folders in the user dir
[04:17] <Sharkonwheels> do an 'updatedb' then 'locate vmdk'
[04:17] <Sharkonwheels> should list all the vmdk's on the system
[04:17] <noinip> awesome thanks
[04:17] <yojimbo-san> vizo1: are you mixing repositories up somehow?
[04:17] <noinip> that worked like a charm thanks again
[04:18] <vizo1> yojimbo-san: I dont think so
[04:18] <Sharkonwheels> np
[04:18] <vizo1> how can I check
[04:18] <yojimbo-san> generally you only get that if you're trying to install a package that isn't compatible with your normal system sources
[04:18] <yojimbo-san> cat /etc/apt/sources.list -- put it in the pastebin
[04:21] <vizo1> yojimbo-san: http://pastebin.ca/1340746
[04:22] <yojimbo-san> at a guess, it looks like that ppa.launchpad.net line is causing a problem ...
[04:23] <yojimbo-san> I don't think saying "univiverse" at the end helps ...  :-) a typo perhaps?
[04:24] <yojimbo-san> try fixing that word to be just "universe", then run 'sudo apt-get update', then retry your packaje install
[04:27] <vizo1> hrm Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm4000/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/univese/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404
[04:27] <vizo1> ok
[04:27] <yojimbo-san> still a typo :-)
[04:27] <vizo1> fah
[04:29] <Sharkonwheels> heh - rebooted, and my tuners got reversed. now PCTV is video0, HVR is video1
[04:29] <vizo1> ok now getting a gpg error?
[04:29] <Sharkonwheels> wasn't even worth saving the $10-15 getting the PCTV instead of the HVR-1600!
[04:30] <yojimbo-san> vizo1: cool, there needs to be a gpg key imported in order to use a new repository
[04:30] <yojimbo-san> I suspect you haven't found the best instructionf for this repository :-)
[04:31] <vizo1> yeah
[04:31] <yojimbo-san> what's the error about gpg?
[04:31] <yojimbo-san> does is have a NO_PUBKEY line?
[04:32] <yojimbo-san> I think http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=20145 may help ...
[04:32] <yojimbo-san> wget http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/public.gpg
[04:32] <yojimbo-san> sudo apt-key add public.gpg
[04:37] <yojimbo-san> of course I'm assuming that's the right key ... however a bit of searching suggests thats only the key for ppa.launchpad.net/kb9vqf, and not rvm4000
[04:38] <yojimbo-san> ahah! vizo1 you should read https://launchpad.net/~rvm4000/+archive/ppa
[04:39] <yojimbo-san> sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com  0B52FE61EE82122FE7A67AB7E59C0010A8CC3A52
[04:45] <yojimbo-san> vizo1: is that working for you?
[04:45] <vizo1> well the apt list is fixed
[04:45] <vizo1> still no joy on mencoder tho
[04:46] <yojimbo-san> same error?
[04:46] <vizo1> yah
[04:46] <vizo1> weird
[04:46] <yojimbo-san> try 'aptitude show mencoder' -- it will tell you which repository it's supposed to be coming from
[04:47] <yojimbo-san> mine is version 2:1.0~rc2-0ubuntu17 Section: multiverse/graphics
[04:48] <yojimbo-san> and I don't dfepend on libdvdread4 ...
[04:49] <yojimbo-san> looks like i do have libdvdread3 however
[04:49] <yojimbo-san> sadly however, I have to go now, so I can't help with the problem much more :-)
[04:49] <yojimbo-san> good luck!
[04:49] <vizo1> thanks tho
[05:16] <Sharkonwheels> all broken now...nothing works...no recording, no Watch TV  :(
[05:16] <Sharkonwheels> 1991 u still around?
[05:17] <Sharkonwheels> added a 2nd tuner (Pinnacle PCTV PCI 800i) to the original HVR-1600
[05:18] <Sharkonwheels> devices got flipped around (HVR was video0, now video1). redid back-end setup, nada
[05:41] <rhpot1991> Sharkonwheels: there is some way of dealing with that but I don't know it off the top of my head sorry
[05:41] <rhpot1991> check the forums
[05:41] <rhpot1991> !forums
[05:41] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[05:41] <rhpot1991> off to bed for me, good luck Sharkonwheels
[06:13] <Sharkonwheels> tx man - all the help is appreciated
[06:59] <CRXLPY> I thought it would be nice to start using the weekly trunk builds. After using it I now decide to downgrade to the weekly fixes builds(0.21). after starting the downgrade, I am reminded that there is no going back, once one has moved to the trunk repo. what have I just done to my system?
[07:01] <Shadow__X> did ya backup the db
[07:01] <Shadow__X> lol
[07:01] <CRXLPY> not recently
[07:04] <CRXLPY> I just changed the source back to the trunk repo and did an upgrade. i seem to have lost no ground
[07:04] <CRXLPY> that is good
[07:10] <CRXLPY> well now I am back to the issue I was trying to fix. Mytharchive and mythvideo complain that they are not compatible with the installed libraries
[07:10] <CRXLPY> this is an issue I had before I shuffled repos a few minutes ago
[07:11] <CRXLPY> the other pluginsa may also have this issue, but these are the only plugins I care about
[08:37] <ball> WOOHOO!
[08:40] <ball> For the back-end, should I use Mythbuntu, or Ubuntu Server with MythTV?
[08:58] <Shadow__X> either is fine just depends how lazy you are
[08:58] <Shadow__X> and what the main function of the server will be
[09:00] <ball> Shadow__X: PVR and general media silo
[09:01] <Shadow__X> easier just to use mythbuntu
[09:01] <Shadow__X> but you can do either
[09:01] <Shadow__X> i am off
[10:37] <jduggan> hey guys
[10:37] <jduggan> in mythweb in mythbuntu, the option to stream asx - in windows media player what codec do i need for that?
[10:37] <jduggan> says it cant find it?
[10:37] <jduggan> or shall i use vlc etc?
[18:32] <gizmobay> Anyone here using mythvodka notice that the hulu streams are busted?
[18:32] <gizmobay> Starting today
[18:35] <tgm4883> gizmobay, are they busted or are yours busted?
[18:35] <gizmobay> mine are busted
[18:35] <tgm4883> did you re-run the xml generator?
[18:35] <gizmobay> I didn't change anything so I figure others are busted
[18:35] <gizmobay> it ran with the cron job last night
[18:36] <tgm4883> errors in the log?
[18:36] <gizmobay> I ran the command from a terminal and it said not found
[18:36] <gizmobay> http 404
[18:36] <tgm4883> which command?
[18:37] <gizmobay> /usr/bin/hulu feed/name /var/tmp/partial.mov
[18:37] <tgm4883> feed/name?
[18:39] <gizmobay> sorry running two computers with an A/B switch
[18:40] <gizmobay> /usr/bin/hulu http://www.hulu.com/watch/56559 /var/tmp/iplayerdump.partial.mov
[18:41] <tgm4883> heh
[18:41] <tgm4883> and so it begins ;)
[18:41] <gizmobay> Yours works?
[18:42] <tgm4883> nope
[18:42] <tgm4883> they changed the link
[18:43] <tgm4883> the hulu script needs updated now
[18:44] <gizmobay> Okay, I figured that was going to happen
[18:45] <gizmobay> eventually
[18:45] <gizmobay> thanks for doing the package
[19:41] <noinip> Anyone have an issue where channels fail to lock after a reboot?  Once I rerun backend setup everything starts working again.  I've read a few things that suggest stopping and starting the backend after reboot fixes it but doing that everytime isn't going to work out for me.
[19:43] <gizmobay> Analog or HD?
[19:44] <noinip> HD I guess
[19:44] <noinip> No channels work at all
[19:44] <noinip> but it's an ATSC tuner
[19:45] <gizmobay> any errors in the log files?

[19:45] <noinip> I don't know where those would be
[19:46] <gizmobay> utilities/setup -> mythbuntu logs
[19:55] <noinip> Not that I can see
[19:56] <noinip> at least nothing that didn't get resolved.  Like it tried to connect to the backend for about 30 seconds before it finally did
[19:57] <gizmobay> Is your HD OTA?
[19:57] <gizmobay> ovet the air
[19:57] <noinip> yes
[19:58] <gizmobay> Does it not just get a channel lock or does it go blank?
[19:58] <noinip> actually since it worked just then maybe it just needs more time to load.  or maybe it's because it was the second time I opened the frontend
[19:58] <noinip> no channel lock
[19:58] <noinip> 0$ signal
[19:58] <noinip> 0%
[20:00] <gizmobay> hmm, i'm using ota HD with a Kworld ATSC-110 and I haven't seen the issue you describe
[20:00] <gizmobay> except once when I had a loose connection
[20:04] <noinip> strange,  I'll have to look closer when I have more time.  I'm trying to get this all set up and get rid of the cable so I'm pretty green when it comes to all of this.
[20:04] <gizmobay> what kind of card is it?
[20:04] <noinip> I know enough to run apt-get install xchat under mythbuntu and come here though so I guess that's a pretty good start ;)
[20:07] <gizmobay> what king of tuner card do you have
[20:18] <noinip> It's an Air2PC
[20:18] <noinip> Ver 1 I think
[20:22] <gizmobay> do you have dvb-fe-bcm3510-01.fw installed?
[20:23] <noinip> yes I do
[20:23] <noinip> I"m able to tune to channels after rerunning mythtvbackendsetup
[20:23] <gizmobay> hmm, i've run out of ideas
[20:23] <noinip> it's only after rebooting does it seem to not work
[20:24] <noinip> and I think restarting the frontend fixes it
[20:25] <gizmobay> that's a pain
[21:11] <caucmyth> hello
[21:11] <caucmyth> how do i stream tv?
[21:16] <aliby> caucmyth: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=ubuntu%20mythtv%20streaming
[21:17] <caucmyth> http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-1841856653263547%3Aeizsrb-eis2&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&q=ubuntu%2520mythtv%2520streaming lol
[21:28] <caucmyth> i have installed mythbuntu
[21:28] <caucmyth> and configured the tv tuner
[21:29] <caucmyth> now if i want to watch tv should i use mythtv fronend?
[21:29] <caucmyth> *frontend
[21:37] <noinip> restart and it should launch the front end for you
[21:37] <caucmyth> whatever mythtv frontend's "watch tv" doesnt work
[21:38] <caucmyth> ok restarting now :)
[21:45] <MythbuntuGuest83> hello guys
[21:45] <MythbuntuGuest83> need some help
[21:45] <rhpot1991> !ask
[21:45] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[21:46] <MythbuntuGuest83> i installed mythbuntu 8.10 and internet is not working
[21:47] <MythbuntuGuest83> searching the forum , but solution not working
[21:49] <MythbuntuGuest83> anyone
[21:51] <aliby> MythbuntuGuest83 have you checked to make sure the cable is plugged in?
[21:56] <MythbuntuGuest83> yes cable is working
[21:56] <MythbuntuGuest83> i got ipadres
[21:56] <MythbuntuGuest83> but just cannot acces internet
[21:56] <MythbuntuGuest83> or ping the router
[22:05] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest83, you have an ip address but can't ping the router?
[22:05] <tgm4883> whats the ip address?
[22:18] <MythbuntuGuest83> <IP_ADDRESS>