[00:30] <nadr> where's the beef?
[00:31] <krabador> the beef?
[00:34] <nadr> dat ubuntu beef
[00:34] <nadr> its 12:30 GMT
[00:35] <krabador> nadr, do you've a galaxy nexus?
[00:39] <dank101> :OO
[00:42] <nadr> krabador: yes
[00:44] <bobweaver> hello there I am running into some weired things when trying to cut up strings.  here is a example/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1694839/
[00:44] <bobweaver> error is as follows
[00:44] <bobweaver> Object 19.4 has no method 'indexOf'
[00:44] <bobweaver> can not use lastIndexOf either :/
[00:45] <bobweaver> so I am just trying to cut off every thing after the Dot in 19.4
[00:45] <krabador> nadr, canonical's releases times, are ever relaxed... not clock oriented .
[00:46] <bobweaver>  I thought that    y.substring(0,y.lastIndexOf("."))   would work :/
[00:53] <bobweaver> NM I got it
[00:53] <bobweaver>       var f = (temperature * 9 / 5 + 32).toLocaleString()
[00:53] <bobweaver> return f.substring(0,f.lastIndexOf("."))
[00:54] <bobweaver> in function ^^ thanks though for looking have a good one
[01:15] <scram> Noob question...  I'm running 12.04 in a virtual machine.  Will I need to install the sdk to flash the canonical Ubuntu image on my gnex or is that just used for app development?
[01:16] <usererror> well, I think you have to be running 12.10 for app dev scram
[01:16] <usererror> or, that is what your supposed to be running anyway
[01:26] <scram> I'm well below that level of user right now . Just want to flash the image on my phone when it's released. Want to be prepared
[01:34] <dank101> well then
[01:35] <dank101> get some soda, and sit back
[02:02] <mhall119> anybody know how to set a minimum width on an Item in QML?
[02:57] <stroughtonsmith> Are we far enough into the 21st yet? :P
[03:04] <Yugge> Well, canonical is UK-based, so I doubt we will see any release until at least business hours which should be in 5 hours, but even then I doubt they will release it before lunch, this based on previous ubuntu releases which generally are released around lunch in my area (cet)
[03:04] <Yugge> I too am really excited though. :)
[03:04] <stroughtonsmith> I was mostly joking, but looking forward to it!
[03:05] <stroughtonsmith> it's 3am here now but I wouldn't imagine they'd flip the switch at 9am
[03:21] <vibhav> mhall119: ping
[05:51] <juicyjones> F5 F5 F5
[05:52] <paradoxgo> stop that. you'll break the website
[05:53] <juicyjones> ಠ_ಠ wut
[06:25] <juicyjones> F5
[06:30] <frals> mhall119: implicitWidth might due what you want, but not sure
[06:41] <zAo^> Is the display server known yet?
[06:55] <dpm> good morning all
[06:57] <bobsmith> isitoutyet
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <juicyjones> hi
[07:05] <vibhav> dpm: there?
[07:05] <dpm> hi vibhav, yes, but I might not be too responsive in the next few hours. Can I help with anything?
[07:06] <vibhav> dpm: Is it possible for me to connect an app written in C to an app written in QML (with the Ubuntu SDK)
[07:07] <vibhav> (with ref. to Ubunutu Phone)
[07:07] <dpm> vibhav, it should be technically possible, but not trivial. If you need C in your app, you might want to see if you can use C++ and the Qt classes. That would make things a lot easier
[07:07] <vibhav> dpm: Ah, thanks!
[07:08] <ProGEEK> I've gotta say, the Tablet UI looks swish as, makes me wish I had an N7 or N10 device
[07:08] <RiXtEr> will the tablet os run on a Xoom ?
[07:09] <juicyjones> I'm pretty excited I have a GNex and a Nexus 7 I can spare to experiment with Ubuntu Touch
[07:09] <ProGEEK> am pretty excited too, sole reason for buying my Nexus 4
[07:10] <ProGEEK> had fingers crossed they'd release an N4 image, was ecstatic to hear they were :D
[07:10] <juicyjones> My N4 needs to stay useful as a daily phone :)
[07:10] <ProGEEK> Ditto, i'll back up my nand first though, gotta have a play though
[07:13] <juicyjones> Hopefully there'll be a torrent available for our images? That would make it easy for me at least, I can start it up on my seedbox from anywhere I happen to be and pick it up later
[07:15] <ProGEEK> gah, i hate waiting lol
[07:28] <JeroenG> hi
[07:29] <juicyjones> hello
[07:38] <Wouter___> were are the touch-developer-ubuntu-phone imgs ... can't wait to have it installed on my nexus
[07:40] <vibhav> Wouter___: Everybody's waiting impatiently here :)
[07:40] <ProGEEK> i assume they'll come up on the TouchInstallProcess page on the ubuntu wiki
[07:41] <Wouter___> :-) ...aaaaarrrrch  cant wait ;-) why is dr not countdown ....
[07:49] <schasch> yes...missing a countdown too... F5  F5  F5... :-)
[07:52] <stroughtonsmith> have a Galaxy Nexus prepped and ready; hopefully can use the Nexus 4 instead if dual booting is straightforward
[07:53] <ProGEEK> i wouldnt have thought dual booting was possible
[07:54] <stroughtonsmith> should be, get the rootfs on a loopback image and swap the recovery kernel for ubuntu
[07:54] <stroughtonsmith> but that all depends on the release :)
[07:55] <ProGEEK> totally not brave enough for that lol
[07:55] <stroughtonsmith> haha
[07:55] <ProGEEK> i like my phone not being a paperweight :p
[07:55] <Wouter___> ive hava a spare nexus... just in case ;-)
[07:56] <lilstevie> ohai stroughtonsmith
[07:56] <stroughtonsmith> hey lilstevie
[07:57] <lilstevie> madly refreshing the TouchInstallProcess page too?
[07:57] <stroughtonsmith> nonsense; IRC will tell me before it refreshes :P
[07:57] <lilstevie> haha
[07:57] <ProGEEK> wouldnt it annoy you if its a 9am release kinda thing ?
[07:57]  * lilstevie is relying on twitter to tell him
[07:58] <stroughtonsmith> I'd be surprised if it was anywhere near 9am
[07:58] <stroughtonsmith> maybe lunchtime
[07:58] <lilstevie> ProGEEK, I'm expecting midday
[07:58] <ProGEEK> wait, what timezone? lol
[07:59] <stroughtonsmith> UK time
[07:59] <lilstevie> GMT
[07:59] <lilstevie> round midnight my time
[07:59] <lilstevie> (23:00 but close enough :p)
[07:59] <ProGEEK> 1am my time
[07:59] <ProGEEK> on the 22nd lol
[07:59] <lilstevie> nz?
[08:00] <ProGEEK> Indeed
[08:00] <lilstevie> heh
[08:00] <stroughtonsmith> you kiwis are multiplying
[08:01] <lilstevie> hehe
[08:01] <ProGEEK> sadly
[08:01] <lilstevie> <-- NZer that lives in AU
[08:01] <ProGEEK> we're getting thicker too
[08:01] <lilstevie> and I am surrounded by fellow kiwis
[08:01] <ProGEEK> Yeah we've decided we dont like our country so we are all leaving
[08:01] <lilstevie> what some of my aus friends call the NZ invasion
[08:02] <ProGEEK> id believe it too lol
[08:02] <lilstevie> my local supermarket even stocks L&P
[08:02] <ProGEEK> L&P ftw
[08:02] <lilstevie> absolutely
[08:03]  * lilstevie hopes the images release at a reasonable hour, cause I'd hate to start trying to shoehorn an image on to my device at 1am
[08:03] <ProGEEK> <-- insomniac, so no probs lol
[08:04] <lilstevie> heh
[08:04] <lilstevie> not really an issue here either, I'd just like to be getting in bed before 5am
[08:04] <ProGEEK> im not looking forward to the time its gonna take to DL the image, unless its a torrent
[08:05] <Pip> So where to download the image?
[08:05] <ProGEEK> we dont know, hasnt been released yet
[08:05] <Pip> oh7fdn, that explains
[08:06] <ProGEEK> xD
[08:06] <Pip> :S
[08:08] <Wouter___> F5, F5, F5....
[08:08] <ProGEEK> dont break the internet
[08:09] <lilstevie> ProGEEK, eh downloading I don't think is going to be that big of a deal, install isos download fairly quickly for me
[08:10] <lilstevie> ProGEEK, but also if they use the same cdimage server setup there should be a .torrent
[08:10] <stroughtonsmith> hey hey, Harmattan QML works with nearly zero changes. That makes my life so much easier
[08:10] <lilstevie> stroughtonsmith, that is pretty cool
[08:11] <lilstevie> stroughtonsmith, maybe ubuntu/canonical can get those devs who invested time into MeeGo/Harmattan to bring their apps over
[08:11] <stroughtonsmith> moreso than RIM
[08:11] <stroughtonsmith> Cascades killed everything beautiful about Nokia's Qt Components
[08:11] <lilstevie> heh
[08:12]  * lilstevie has high hopes for ubuntu phone
[08:13] <ProGEEK> should go far
[08:13] <ProGEEK> the UI just makes sense
[08:13] <lilstevie> yeah
[08:16] <lilstevie> I just hope it doesn't do a windows phone
[08:16] <ProGEEK> explain
[08:16] <lilstevie> WP numbers are really really weak
[08:17] <ogra_> yeah, word perfect is definitely better at chars than numbers
[08:17] <lilstevie> and developer support isn't great
[08:17] <lilstevie> ogra_, lol
[08:17] <ogra_> morning :)
[08:17] <ProGEEK> lol
[08:17] <ProGEEK> evening
[08:19] <lilstevie> ProGEEK, use UGT :p
[08:19] <ProGEEK> sorry, thick tonight, UGT ?
[08:20] <lilstevie> http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
[08:20] <ProGEEK> ah i wasnt aware of such a greeting
[08:20] <ProGEEK> but makes sense :p
[08:21] <lilstevie> ogra_, is there any estimated time that images are going to go live? or have they kept you out of the loop :p
[08:22] <Nagu> Is touch preview installer released? Its 21st feb :(
[08:25] <Wouter___> still F5, F5, F5....
[08:28] <stroughtonsmith> hey lilstevie : http://highcaffeinecontent.com/cloud/images/d650e28f26e880cd6b8d7fb41596df28.png
[08:28] <stroughtonsmith> quickest. port. ever.
[08:29] <lilstevie> stroughtonsmith, win
[08:29]  * lilstevie loves lightsoff
[08:29] <stroughtonsmith> now all I need are Ubuntu Phones and a store to release it on
[08:29] <lilstevie> heh
[08:30] <ProGEEK> oh that is just amazing
[08:32]  * lilstevie goes to watch some tv to kill the time
[08:40] <Nagu> Is touch preview installer released? Its 21st feb :(
[08:42] <ashleyis> it was up on the cdimage mirror for a bit then dissapeared
[09:00] <roxkYu> hello..
[09:00] <roxkYu> has the ubuntu phone os out already?
[09:00] <roxkYu> thanks.
[09:01] <lonequid> not yet
[09:01] <roxkYu> orh..ok..
[09:01] <kos_> Hello
[09:01] <roxkYu> any specified time it will be out?
[09:01] <lonequid> none that im aware of. itll be up here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess
[09:02] <roxkYu> i see..ok, got it.
[09:02] <roxkYu> thanks.
[09:02] <lonequid> np
[09:03] <ProGEEK> argh i hate waiting
[09:04] <Wouter___> ... aaarrrggh F5, F5
[09:05] <roxkYu> haha..
[09:06] <roxkYu> i'm afraid i might "brick" my phone.
[09:06] <roxkYu> hopefully, everything would go well once the image is out..
[09:06] <ProGEEK> follow the instructions to the letter and you'll be right.
[09:07] <ProGEEK> i find i only brick stuff when i dont read
[09:07] <roxkYu> sure, you are right.
[09:08] <ProGEEK> i REALLy need a case for my Nexus 4
[09:08] <ProGEEK> it keeps sliding off my desk =/
[09:08] <ogra_> there wont be much instructions beyond "download tool, run tool with the right arg for your device"
[09:08] <roxkYu> ok..
[09:08] <ProGEEK> idiotproof, i like it
[09:08] <ogra_> thats what ubuntu does :)
[09:08] <roxkYu> if i want my original android OS , could it be done?
[09:08] <ogra_> software for your grandpa
[09:08] <roxkYu> or i need to save it myself?
[09:08] <roxkYu> haha...
[09:08] <ProGEEK> roxkYu, backup
[09:09] <ProGEEK> use rom manager or something.
[09:09] <roxkYu> hmm.. ok
[09:09] <ogra_> right
[09:09] <roxkYu> got to do some "research" later..
[09:09] <ProGEEK> I dunno how the Ubuntu OS takes over the nand, so im hoping my ROM Manager backups will be valid
[09:10] <roxkYu> actually, to tell the truth...
[09:10] <roxkYu> i; m a "grandpa"
[09:10] <roxkYu> lolz..
[09:10] <ogra_> you will always be able to roll back
[09:10] <ProGEEK> epic. sold
[09:10] <ogra_> but the install will indeed wipe the device
[09:11] <ProGEEK> regardless, i was sold a month ago
[09:11] <ogra_> well, dont expect to much ... i recommend watching the engadget video
[09:11] <roxkYu> at the worst, we can always go the phone service to reclone back the original OS for a fee.
[09:11] <ogra_> it explains what works and what doesnt quite well
[09:12] <ogra_> (and is good for killing time while you wait)
[09:12] <ProGEEK> oh is that up, does you have linkage ?
[09:12] <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/107109423598372241322/posts/P9TjoTDYB87
[09:12] <ProGEEK> cheers
[09:12] <ProGEEK> i'll be afk
[09:15] <roxkYu> that's great one.
[09:15] <roxkYu> ;-)
[09:15] <ProGEEK> its so sexy
[09:18] <vivi1900> waiting for ubuntu phone os image……
[09:24] <ProGEEK> yup, still sold :D
[09:24] <mutantkeyboard> greetings people
[09:25] <buriddu_> is there any app for chatting in ubuntu-phone?
[09:25] <mutantkeyboard> what do you mean? you'll only need an irc-client
[09:26] <ProGEEK> Its a developer preview, so i'm assuming, no
[09:27] <mutantkeyboard> @buriddu_ there you have an idea for the app ;)
[09:27] <meetingology> mutantkeyboard: Error: "buriddu_" is not a valid command.
[09:28] <mutantkeyboard> but images are still not available for DL
[09:28] <ProGEEK> sadly not
[09:28] <ogra_> watch the video linked here ... it pretty much explains what works and what the purpose of teh images is https://plus.google.com/107109423598372241322/posts/P9TjoTDYB87
[09:28] <buriddu_> lol, I was thinking to compile libpurble and finch for the terminal app... then, if it works, maybe I could create a qml interface
[09:29] <mutantkeyboard> indeed
[09:29] <mutantkeyboard> nice idea
[09:29] <ogra_> yeah, thats exactly what is being looked for ... people hacking together apps :)
[09:29] <mutantkeyboard> I have a #GNexus and can't wait to try this ...
[09:30] <buriddu_> great! I don't have much spare time, but I'll try it
[09:30] <buriddu_> thanks guys
[09:31] <mutantkeyboard> you're welcome
[09:32]  * vibhav waits
[09:38] <robin-gloster_> does anyone know if a music player has been started working on?
[09:44] <buriddu_> I think youtube is the only app for music/video right now (of course it's not a music player)
[09:46] <stroughtonsmith> *cough* http://invalid.ed.ntnu.no/~jostein/ubuntu_images.html
[09:47] <kos_> nice
[09:47] <ogra_> carop
[09:47] <ogra_> that will delay the release
[09:47]  * ogra_ wipes the files
[09:47] <ogra_> idiots
[09:48] <stroughtonsmith> found it on XDA developers
[09:48] <stroughtonsmith> lots of posts about it
[09:49] <kos_> thanks for this information
[09:49] <ogra_> gone
[09:50] <ProGEEK> good
[09:51] <F41L> woo, got the images!
[09:52] <ogra_> stroughtonsmith, thanks a lot for that info ... sadly that makes the pre-release testeing a lot harder
[09:52] <ogra_> so it will take longer until we release
[09:52] <ogra_> the images dont gain you much without the flash tool
[09:52] <stroughtonsmith> thought someone had posted a fake build at first, then found the cached page
[09:52] <F41L> I'm curious, haven't installed yet, but is the docking transition to desktop included in the preview?
[09:53] <F41L> flash tool? I see people already installing it with fastboot
[09:53] <lonequid> lol
[09:53] <ogra_> its not installable with fastboot
[09:53] <Nagu> where can i download tablet version images?
[09:53] <ogra_> not sure what image you refer to though :)
[09:53] <F41L> XDA forums
[09:54] <ogra_> sigh
[09:54] <F41L> quantal-preinstalled-system-armel+mako.img
[09:54] <F41L> is that ubuntu for android?
[09:54] <ogra_> no
[09:54] <F41L> cause I don't think so
[09:55] <F41L> fastboot recovery/system/boot/ <img here> is what they're posting as working.
[09:55] <ogra_> well, the images are gone
[09:55] <kos_> can you give the link from xda please ?
[09:55] <lonequid> xda has them they aren't 'gone'
[09:55] <Nagu> can anyone put forward the link to download the image?
[09:55] <lonequid> they'll be mirroed soon
[09:55] <ogra_> GAH
[09:55] <Nagu> i cant find in xda forum :(
[09:55] <ogra_> great, that will cost some people their jobs
[09:56] <lonequid> lol
[09:56] <F41L> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2078727&page=26
[09:56] <kos_> thanks =)
[09:56] <ogra_> lonequid, not funny, mine is included
[09:56] <F41L> what you talking about ogra?  :D
[09:57] <ogra_> lonequid, yes, that was me apparently
[09:57] <lonequid> :(
[09:57] <F41L> lol, don't blame yourself
[09:57] <vivi1900> is anyone get the image?
[09:57] <F41L> blame unpatient nerds with access to google's caching
[09:58] <F41L> http://invalid.ed.ntnu.no/~jostein/ubuntu_images.html
[09:58] <ogra_> well, i'm the person responsible for the flaw ... but the images were completely taken down now and we will have to start over
[09:58] <vivi1900> so kind of you~!!
[09:58] <ProGEEK> start over ?
[09:58] <F41L> :D
[09:58] <vivi1900> thinks a lot~!
[09:58] <ogra_> yesm, with the testing and all
[09:58] <F41L> lol whatchu mean?
[09:59] <mutantkeyboard> they're all .img files which you can normally flash via fastboot
[09:59] <ogra_> we are testing all images for downloadability and installability in the context they are meant to work
[09:59] <lonequid> on release day?
[09:59] <ogra_> since i had to change the context due to that xda nonsense we need to start over, that will take a few hours
[09:59] <mutantkeyboard> I see
[09:59] <ogra_> so dont hold your breath now
[10:00] <F41L> lol, I don't understand the problem
[10:00] <F41L> is it not supposed to be fastboot installed?
[10:00] <ogra_> it is supposed to be installer by the installer we will publish
[10:00] <F41L> hah
[10:00] <ogra_> *installed
[10:00] <lonequid> well the recovery you publish is clockworkmod so shouldn't it work with other recoveries?
[10:00] <F41L> well why start over? :D only a small handful of people probably even have the images
[10:01] <F41L> I bet you could find out by looking at the download statistics
[10:01] <mutantkeyboard> but it's easier if they make experience similar to WUBI
[10:01] <mutantkeyboard> it might allow you to even have dual boot
[10:01] <mutantkeyboard> in the future releases
[10:02] <F41L> I mean shucks, I haven't even installed it yet. I was waiting for the instructions
[10:02] <ProGEEK> i hate it when people spoil it for others
[10:02] <F41L> my net connection is slow so it takes a bit to download, so I wanted to have the files ready and then hit the ground running.
[10:03] <F41L> Would be cool if you could do dual boot with androd
[10:03] <F41L> but I guess that'd defeat the purpose :D
[10:03] <lonequid> well the purpose is a preview so now a dualboot would be good
[10:03] <mutantkeyboard> yep, but that's why hacker exists
[10:03] <lonequid> i'm sure xda will have it dualbooting in a few hours
[10:03] <F41L> I'm still curious if desktop mode is available in this preview, I'm most looking forward to that. I have my bluetooth mouse, keyboard, and hdmi adapter all ready and raring to go.
[10:04] <lonequid> "I don't think you're missing much, according to people in the GNex forum it doesn't really do much. No apps work, pre-populated data and no GSM radio functionality. I've spent ages backing my phone up, and it's not even worth bothering with. "
[10:04] <F41L> hah, I did like several backups of my phone as well.
[10:05] <doomlord> is it out now?
[10:05] <mutantkeyboard> not yet as far as I see
[10:06] <mutantkeyboard> I don't know if it's related to the timezone. I'm in Croatia which makes offset of +2 hours to the GMT
[10:06] <F41L> I'm -8
[10:06] <F41L> I don't think they're going by timezone
[10:06] <F41L> or midnight for that matter
[10:06] <mutantkeyboard> Right
[10:07] <ProGEEK> that and its now gonna take longer cause it was leaked
[10:07] <xnox> ogra_: shall we start /j #ubuntu-release-party as we usually do?! =)
[10:08] <vivi1900> sadly,all the download link break~~~
[10:08] <ogra_> xnox, haha, good idea
[10:09]  * ogra_ drinks a cup of valerian to calm down again
[10:09] <PiZZaMartijn> does anybody know at what time the images wil be released?
[10:09] <F41L> ogra_, do you know if there's GSM capability in the preview? or desktop docking mode?
[10:10] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure the desktop mode isnt there yet
[10:10] <ogra_> GSM should work i heard
[10:10] <F41L> argh, desktop mode :(
[10:10] <ProGEEK> its a preview, dont expect alot
[10:11] <F41L> I knows, but it wouldda been wonderful.
[10:11] <ogra_> its a preview, dont expect to much ... actual release date is 14.04
[10:11] <F41L> I thought it was 13.10?
[10:11] <F41L> hmm
[10:11] <ogra_> but your help in writing apps and helping with implementing, testing etc will be massively appreciated by all of us
[10:12] <F41L> Well of course ;3
[10:12] <ogra_> even with making the desktop mode rock
[10:12] <ProGEEK> if it rocks, im ditching my laptop
[10:12] <F41L> ^
[10:12] <dmdrummond> frals, Riussi: I've deleted my merge proposal for ubuntu-clock-app now Riussi pushed his to the trunk. I would rather have not had my weekend wasted, it would be good if we could check what branches were being worked on to avoid duplication of effort in future.
[10:12] <F41L> Bring my HDMI cable, bluetooth mouse and bluetooth keyboard to work
[10:12] <F41L> done
[10:12] <F41L> :D
[10:13] <doomlord> ubuntu tablet on something like the  asus transfomer  makes SO much sense
[10:15] <F41L> lol ogra_
[10:15] <F41L> they caught on to your tricks
[10:15] <F41L> they found the folder again
[10:16] <ogra_> crap
[10:16] <ProGEEK> obscure the hell out of that foldername
[10:16] <lonequid> lol
[10:16] <lonequid> got em
[10:16] <lonequid> :)
[10:16] <F41L> I'm watching their forums lol
[10:16] <F41L> this is funny
[10:17] <ogra_> well, then we cant test them at all, i have taken thjem completely down now ... not sure what will happen to the release now
[10:18] <F41L> "I'm thinking like always..we are jumping the gun...lets sit back and wait for them now...we have had our flash fix but now we wait...good show Ubuntu :P"
[10:18] <ogra_> heh
[10:19] <robin-gloster_> guys please just wait for the release, that really isn't funny, canonical is working really hard and you are disrupting their work
[10:19] <ProGEEK> agreed ^
[10:19] <lonequid> they shouldn't put their work onto the live web for anyone to find then
[10:19] <lonequid> lol
[10:19] <F41L> I'm just a spectator, robin-gloster
[10:19] <lonequid> it's too late now anyway xda has them they're out there
[10:19] <F41L> and I think dang well that it's hilarious to see the situation from both sides.
[10:19] <F41L> yeah once it's on the interwebs
[10:20] <F41L> it's there.
[10:20] <F41L> "I believe they monitoring this thread"
[10:20] <F41L> hahaha
[10:21] <ogra_> ;(((
[10:22] <PiZZaMartijn> what thread?
[10:22] <F41L> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2078691&page=95
[10:22] <Nagu> Is installer image out now?
[10:22] <F41L> no image out
[10:22] <F41L> at all :D
[10:23] <F41L> but they've got a mirror for maguro up, so there's that
[10:23] <F41L> silly geeks, ahh how I love us.
[10:23] <ProGEEK> you guys arnt helping
[10:24] <stroughtonsmith> testing: never do it on the day of release
[10:24] <stroughtonsmith> :D
[10:24] <GreenChris> i can't wait anymore
[10:24] <GreenChris> arrgh
[10:25] <F41L> I'm not postin' anything, I don't even have an account for XDA, just an excited ubuntu fan that happens to have bought a galaxy nexus and then later saw this awesome thing that there was an ubuntu phone os comming out for it :D
[10:26] <wickwire> Hi, does anyone know if the ubuntu for phones ROM will be released any time soon?
[10:26] <stroughtonsmith> I think I understand the [complicated!] install process now. I see why you'd want an installer for the public ogra_
[10:26] <wickwire> I have a Galaxy Nexus and would very much like to install it
[10:27] <F41L> wickwire, later today sometime.
[10:27] <F41L> From what I gather.
[10:27] <wickwire> really, today? that's brilliant
[10:27] <wickwire> I've been doing Qt5 stuff on embedded
[10:28] <wickwire> and I would really like to check the HTML5 app eco-system as well
[10:28] <GreenChris> does anyone of you has a N4?
[10:28] <ProGEEK> i have an N4
[10:28] <buriddu_> i do
[10:28] <wickwire> Is N4 also being supported from the start?
[10:28] <ProGEEK> yep
[10:28] <buriddu_> it should
[10:28] <GreenChris> yes
[10:29] <F41L> What about GTK, I've been really curious about that (at least from the desktop mode standpoint)
[10:29] <GreenChris> every nexus device since the galaxy nexus
[10:29] <GreenChris> is supported
[10:29] <GreenChris> i think
[10:30] <GreenChris> Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, Nexus 4 and Nexus 10
[10:30] <F41L> Is GTK supported/going to be supported for desktop mode apps? the thought of using monodevelop and such for my app development still would be wonderful.
[10:31] <F41L> Even moreso if I could run monodev -ON- my GNex while docked to hdmi
[10:31] <ProGEEK> i would believe the desktop modwe would be a full desktop
[10:33] <F41L> I hope so, but it'd be great to have a bit more of an offical answer on that. To quell my frustrating curiosity and excitement.
[10:34] <mutantkeyboard> F41L it's really hard to get a x86_64 functionality on ARM so I don't think that GNex is capable of running hi-end stuff with just a 1GB of RAM
[10:34] <F41L> shoot, I run monodevelop on 1gig of ram already on xubuntu 64bit
[10:34] <F41L> :D
[10:35] <mutantkeyboard> indeed, but still, this is a phone, and the build is still in buggy alpha phase
[10:36] <mutantkeyboard> I want to give it a try since I got tired of Android and Java
[10:36] <F41L> I know
[10:36] <F41L> I just...  I'm primarily C/C++ developer, but Java used to confuse me a lot in the beginning.
[10:38] <F41L> lol
[10:39] <F41L> and of course, engadget already has a hands on of the dev preview
[10:39] <lonequid> it's on xda everyone has their hands on it
[10:40] <mutantkeyboard> chuck norris works in engadget ;)
[10:40] <F41L> lol
[10:41] <buriddu_> :D
[10:41] <mutantkeyboard> lonequid - what do you mean? xda links are dead
[10:42] <lonequid> look harder
[10:42] <F41L> they have mirrors all over now
[10:42] <F41L> of people who managed to download it
[10:42] <mutantkeyboard> thread?
[10:42] <F41L> same thread
[10:42] <larsemil> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2078727&page=28
[10:42] <mutantkeyboard> lemme have a look
[10:42] <mutantkeyboard> tnq
[10:42] <F41L> that's the N4 thread, there's a gnex thread too
[10:43] <F41L> http://nexfiles.kjonigsen.net/ubuntu/
[10:43] <stroughtonsmith> ha, it boots
[10:44] <F41L> video player but no music player
[10:44] <F41L> QQ
[10:44] <lonequid> did it wipe data stroughtonsmith?
[10:45] <F41L> I hear it does. could be wrong
[10:45] <mutantkeyboard> thanks F41L ...
[10:45] <mutantkeyboard> do I need MD5 sums for check?
[10:46] <F41L> if you don't trust the security of those files :D but then again, those MD5s are hosted on that same untrusted server as well and could have been modified
[10:46] <lonequid> i have md5s of the nexus4 files
[10:46] <lonequid> from ubuntu's server
[10:46] <lonequid> i didn't get the large phablet file
[10:46] <F41L> me either.
[10:46] <F41L> my internet is too slow
[10:46] <F41L> :D
[10:46] <lonequid> i only grabbed things labeled 'mako'
[10:46] <lonequid> only realized afterwards I forgot it
[10:46] <lonequid> :P
[10:46] <F41L> I only grabbed things labeled maguro
[10:47] <lonequid> 5b246441fb5ad6a7b7bf92703417aa59  quantal-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip b8adbac7458f423e84c9a2901f6ab216  quantal-preinstalled-boot-armel+mako.img
[10:47] <lonequid> 91b8babbf8ba8792611fa4532e596401  quantal-preinstalled-recovery-armel+mako.img 71693078b87e370651883b3a11c1b032  quantal-preinstalled-system-armel+mako.img
[10:47] <lonequid> from ubuntu's server
[10:47] <stroughtonsmith> lonequid: I'd wait for the official installer if you're worried about data
[10:47] <lonequid> i've got a full backup i was just curious
[10:47] <stroughtonsmith> the phablet part is essential too, for the record
[10:48] <F41L> I'm not worried about data :D I did like 3 backups of various methods of my whole phone
[10:48] <F41L> including a DD image
[10:49] <lonequid> lol it has parts of CM10 in it
[10:50] <mutantkeyboard> engadget hands on tablet shows that it's easy to get back to stock android later, all you need is a factory image of a model and fastboot -flashall
[10:51] <stroughtonsmith> purty. http://img.ly/images/6872097/full
[10:52] <F41L> I should go to sleep jeeze
[10:52] <F41L> work
[10:52] <F41L> night hackers
[10:55] <Nagu> I dont see any instructions on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess
[10:55] <Nagu> can someone help me how to get started?
[10:55] <ogra_> it isnt released yet
[10:56] <ogra_> the instructions will be up once the images are tested
[10:56] <ogra_> (and released)
[10:56] <ogra_> likely late afternoon now
[10:56] <Andy80> hi
[10:57] <Nagu> late afternoon??
[10:57] <ogra_> UTC
[10:57] <Andy80> jppiiroi1en, hi :) do you have a minute to help me fix a QtCreator compilation problem? I think I've installed all the Qt5 libs, but when I execute qmake I get this error after a while: Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: declarative
[10:58] <Nagu> copy trunk/ubuntu/modules to your qt installed qml modules
[11:01] <Andy80> Nagu, me?
[11:02] <Nagu> yep
[11:02] <lonequid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDsADuxb43Q&feature=youtu.be
[11:03] <Andy80> Nagu, I don't understand then.... which "trunk/ubuntu/modules" are you talking about?
[11:04] <Nagu> Did you download the qt-ubuntu-components pack??
[11:04] <Nagu> something like this qt-components-ubuntu_0.1.24~quantal1??
[11:06] <mutantkeyboard> lonequid is this your phone?
[11:06] <lonequid> no someone posted it on xda
[11:07] <ProGEEK> didnt take them long to get it running
[11:07] <Andy80> Nagu, qt-components-ubuntu is installed, but.... did you understand what I'm trying to compile :) ? It's not related with *ubuntu* at all. I'm trying to compile "Qt Creator" using Qt 5.0.1
[11:07] <ogra_> i hope they will port it as fast to other devices :)
[11:07] <jppiiroi1en> Andy80: did you install all the build-deps?
[11:07] <ProGEEK> lol ogra_
[11:07] <ProGEEK> fully agree tho
[11:07] <netcurli> Andy80: afaik there is no module called "declarative" in qt5
[11:08] <Nagu> no man. i didnt try that
[11:08] <netcurli> but qml or quick1
[11:08] <Nagu> yes i suppose
[11:08] <Andy80> jppiiroi1en, I think.... I installed all the packages that bzoltan1 told me. Anyway, how can I verifty if I've installed everything?
[11:08] <ProGEEK> Truth be told, alot of self control here to not flash the leaked images lol
[11:08] <jppiiroi1en> Andy80: do you have the qt5-staging ppa set?
[11:09] <ogra_> ProGEEK, well, only the mako ones are on mega, no ?
[11:09] <ProGEEK> that im aware of
[11:09] <Andy80> jppiiroi1en, qt5-staging ? This is new... I'm using the qt5-proper you told me to use :)
[11:09] <ProGEEK> <-- Owns a mako
[11:09] <ogra_> so its only N4 users that could actually flash
[11:09] <lilstevie> ogra_, the maguro ones are being mirrored elsewhere
[11:09] <ogra_> ah, well
[11:10] <jppiiroi1en> Andy80: as then you could just run sudo apt-get build-dep qtcreator to get the build-deps for the qt5 packaged qtcreator
[11:10] <Andy80> jppiiroi1en, I'm using this PPA anyway http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper/ubuntu is it correct?
[11:10] <mutantkeyboard> ogra_ http://nexfiles.kjonigsen.net/ubuntu/
[11:10] <jppiiroi1en> Andy80: the qt5-staging contains the qtcreator only at the moment to try out the qt5,
[11:10] <Andy80> ok, let me try with that command...
[11:10] <jppiiroi1en> Andy80: it is
[11:10] <mutantkeyboard> these are gnex
[11:10] <mutantkeyboard> files
[11:10] <ogra_> :/
[11:10] <ProGEEK> bloody leakers
[11:10] <mutantkeyboard> indeed
[11:11] <ogra_> yeah, cant do much about it anymore
[11:11] <Andy80> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:11] <Andy80>   libicu-dev qtquick1-5-dev qtquick1-5-dev-tools qtxmlpatterns5-dev-tools
[11:11] <Andy80> tadaaa :)
[11:11] <Andy80> I was missing stuff ;)
[11:11]  * ogra_ still cant belive that they managed to catch it in the 2mins the images were visible
[11:11] <ProGEEK> they be crafty buggers
[11:11] <ogra_> it was even less than 2mins
[11:12] <robin-gloster_> ogra_ think you got some community testers even if not on purpose
[11:12] <Andy80> jppiiroi1en, cool :) now the qmake is going on! let's see how it goes ;) thanks!
[11:12] <ogra_> robin-gloster_, doesnt help much with thesting the installer :)
[11:12] <jppiiroi1en> Andy80: np
[11:12] <ogra_> but yeah
[11:13] <robin-gloster_> ogra_ yeah right but i wouldn't take it too hard, just hope no big news sites will take notice
[11:14] <mutantkeyboard> ogra_ are you responsible for images?
[11:14] <ogra_> well, we'll release in a few hours anyway ... its just making the testing realkly hard if you cant use the real location so it takes longer now
[11:14] <ogra_> mutantkeyboard, only for the publishing (and the leaking now)
[11:15] <mutantkeyboard> I see... yes, that sucks, that's why I decided to wait anyway
[11:15] <stroughtonsmith> the bigger news sites are waiting for the OK. The smaller ones will probably go for it though…
[11:16] <mutantkeyboard> ogra_ is it true that it's going to be late afternoon when everything is ready??
[11:17] <ogra_> i'm responsible for the nexus7 desktop image we publish since a while ... if your x86 desktops got a lot faster in raring than in precise, that image is the reason :)
[11:18] <robin-gloster_> ogra_ you did some great work there :)
[11:18] <oneadvent> where is my download? i want it now. It is the 21st in usa, which is GODS time
[11:18] <ogra_> heh, thanks, the whole team did though
[11:18] <oneadvent> ^sarcasm
[11:19] <ogra_> i' just glueing the work together but yeah, they made the desktop lose over 200MB
[11:19] <ogra_> (and i guess there will be another 100-150M until 13.04)
[11:20] <ogra_> (talking about RAM usage here)
[11:21] <ProGEEK> arg this is killing me
[11:24] <stroughtonsmith> alright I'm off; have a fun release day! :P
[11:25] <n00b_dust> So when is the phone OS downloads expected to come out for GNex?
[11:26] <napster> I thought it was today
[11:26] <mutantkeyboard> it will be today
[11:26] <napster> lets wait :)
[11:26] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install will change once it is released
[11:27] <n00b_dust> Hard to be patient, but then again, I don't want them to release it before its ready enough :P
[11:27] <mutantkeyboard> :) and according to ogra_ it's going to be in a couple of hours
[11:27] <ogra_> right
[11:27] <Nagu> still its not clocked as  today :) cant wait more
[11:29] <napster> ok, my plan for today is to install phone OS on my gnex and develop a few quick test apps and revert back to Jelly Bean for now.
[11:29] <n00b_dust> Anyone know where I can get one of those docks for my GNex to use the docking ability?
[11:29] <napster> I see a lot on ebay n00b_dust
[11:30] <oneadvent> ogra_: can you answer a few questions about features?
[11:30] <oneadvent> just basic ones, no crazy things
[11:30] <n00b_dust> napster: are they general docks or specifically for GNex?
[11:30] <napster> no, I think each phone does have its own docks.
[11:31] <oneadvent> n00b_dust: i hadn't found one, i need to get one of the connectors too, for the hdmi/usb
[11:31] <ogra_> oneadvent, whatch that video https://plus.google.com/107109423598372241322/posts/P9TjoTDYB87
[11:31] <n00b_dust> I'm in India, so its very hard to get my hands on one of those :(
[11:31] <ogra_> it should get you a basic overview of what works and what doesnt
[11:31] <PiZZaMartijn> damn google phone is slooow
[11:31] <napster> n00b_dust: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-EDD-H1F8BEGSTA-Verizon-Galaxy-Desktop/dp/B006NYP83Q
[11:31] <napster> this is for gnex
[11:32] <napster> ok guys, I will be back in an hour.
[11:33] <oneadvent> well i'm more thinking apps questions. like how does it work as a phone? I'm thinking of making it my primary phone. <- ogra_
[11:33] <n00b_dust> I thought we needed to use the pogo pins to dock it
[11:33] <ogra_> oneadvent, i think you can make calls
[11:33] <timhansen> any word on the touch developer preview?
[11:33] <oneadvent> i'm okay with alpha software so long as i can make calls, but it would make it much easier if i can import google mail contacts and facebook contacts
[11:33] <PiZZaMartijn> i can't seem to make calls
[11:33] <oneadvent> kinda how android pulls my contacts in, will i be able to pull my contacts in
[11:34] <mutantkeyboard> yes, they fixed GSM, I don't know if CDMA verzion works
[11:34] <vibhav> I cant wait to have to have a look at the code.
[11:34] <PiZZaMartijn> i can't make calls on GSM
[11:34] <oneadvent> uh mutantkeyboard i'm on verizon
[11:34] <ogra_> PiZZaMartijn, probably because the image isnt released :)
[11:34] <vibhav> It must be glorious
[11:34] <PiZZaMartijn> yes but will there be so much diffrence betwean the leaked and released image?
[11:34] <mutantkeyboard> PiZZaMartijn, yes the beta images don't have the fixed functionality
[11:35] <ogra_> PiZZaMartijn, ask the xda guys that spread it
[11:35] <vibhav> ogra_: so, you're handling all these people here today?
[11:35] <oneadvent> oh..there it said no google contacts in that video
[11:36] <oneadvent> i can live with no music player, no prob there
[11:36] <ogra_> vibhav, well, i'm doing the publishing ... and had some help in here from friendly  community people pointing me to the leakage :)
[11:36] <ogra_> so i stick around until its out :)
[11:36] <ogra_> in case more disasters happen
[11:36] <oneadvent> i bet someone will make an app to sync google contacts pretty quickly
[11:36] <ogra_> hopefully
[11:36] <n00b_dust> oneadvent: I'm sure you could do it indirectly. Export google contacts in a format and then import them on the phone.
[11:37] <ogra_> thats the whole purpose of the image :)
[11:37] <oneadvent> thats a good idea n00b_dust
[11:37] <oneadvent> ogra_: this image will be "upgradeable"?
[11:37] <ogra_> i think so
[11:37] <oneadvent> i tried the sdk but i couldn't get it to run
[11:37] <ogra_> it should just update like any other ubuntu install
[11:37] <n00b_dust> I hope the 'upgrades' don't break my phone builds as they break my desktop builds :P
[11:37] <vibhav> ogra_: ah. But remember, handling a good lot of impatient people waiting for an Ubuntu product is not easy
[11:37] <oneadvent> kept complaining about qml or something, i only write in python and php though
[11:38] <ogra_> vibhav, well, i'm doing that stuff since 8 years ... i can get along with impatient crowds on IRC as long as they dont show up at my house :)
[11:38] <oneadvent> yea i wouldn't brag about ubuntu upgrades...i had one that totally borked my system. had to reinstall (or rather it was so borked that was easier)
[11:38] <vibhav> ogra_: :D
[11:38] <oneadvent> so ogra_ where do you live again?
[11:39] <ogra_> haha
[11:39] <netcurli> :D
[11:39] <oneadvent> shoulda made import work rather than all that photo stuff...
[11:40] <ogra_> the sosurce will get released along the images, feel free to fix it :)
[11:40] <oneadvent> i'll look
[11:40] <oneadvent> i'm clever but i bet there is someone much more clever
[11:40] <mutantkeyboard> nice, I wonder if Ubuntu uses wakelocks or not
[11:41] <oneadvent> lol hope it has an alarm clock or i'm gonna be late a lot of places
[11:41] <mutantkeyboard> hahahahahhaa
[11:41] <timhansen> oneadvent, did you follow the steps under #1 here http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ ?
[11:41] <oneadvent> yea
[11:41] <oneadvent> timhansen:
[11:42] <oneadvent> lemme see if i can find the error again, i'd like to be able to write stuff, but unless it is in python or php i'd be a bit lost
[11:42] <oneadvent> or java ofc
[11:42] <roxkYu> still not out yet?
[11:42] <timhansen> oneadvent, do anything with web? writing apps looks pretty easy
[11:43] <oneadvent> yea
[11:43] <oneadvent> timhansen: all i do is write stuff for the web :P
[11:43] <timhansen> oneadvent, lol i meant front end stuff
[11:43] <ogra_> well, write an alarm clock in html5
[11:44] <oneadvent> oneadvent@oneadvent-desktop:~$  qmlscene /usr/share/notepad-qml/Notepad.qml
[11:44] <oneadvent> qmlscene: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[11:44] <oneadvent> that is the error i think, but it has been a while
[11:44] <oneadvent> ogra_: i think he is hinting no alarm clock :/
[11:44] <timhansen> oneadvent, http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/
[11:44] <timhansen> did you follow the steps under "qml viewer" ?
[11:45] <oneadvent> yea that is what i pasted above right?
[11:45] <oneadvent> qmlscene then the app
[11:45] <oneadvent> i found that app on my computer by locate .qml, so i know it is there
[11:45] <oneadvent> i tried just qmlscene with the same thing
[11:45] <timhansen> oneadvent, i'm assuming you're running ubuntu?
[11:46] <oneadvent> i'm on ubuntu with kdes front end
[11:46] <oneadvent> but the original install was ubuntu
[11:47] <oneadvent> http://paste2.org/p/2931210
[11:47] <timhansen> oneadvent, hop into a terminal (you may need to apt-get install findutils) and execute: locate qmlscene
[11:47] <stylemistake> everyone are waiting for it? :)
[11:47] <timhansen> stylemistake, yup
[11:47] <wickwire> pretty much
[11:47] <oneadvent> /usr/bin/qmlscene
[11:48] <n00b_dust> oneadvent: I never really understood that. What is the difference between a KDE install over ubuntu vs Kubuntu? Wouldn't they be the same?
[11:48] <timhansen> n00b_dust, yes
[11:48] <oneadvent> n00b_dust: yea
[11:48] <stylemistake> n00b_dust: they could be joined inside one installer
[11:49] <stylemistake> but this will never happen
[11:49] <oneadvent> i just always give unity a shot...hoping one day i'll understand
[11:49] <timhansen> n00b_dust, ubuntu comes a different desktop manager, kubuntu comes with kde
[11:49] <stylemistake> because they want to market unity by default
[11:49] <timhansen> n00b_dust, but once installed, you can add any desktop manager you'd like
[11:50] <bjaanes> I have really gotten used to Unity; I just love it now :D
[11:50] <n00b_dust> timhansen: Thats what my point was. If you're going to install KDE over ubuntu anyways, why not just get Kubuntu instead?
[11:50] <stylemistake> n00b_dust: same here
[11:50] <timhansen> n00b_dust, gotcha
[11:50] <bjaanes> It gets out of my way (when I just remove the sidebarthingy) and works
[11:50] <stylemistake> can't live without unity
[11:50] <oneadvent> n00b_dust: my point was to give base ubuntu (unity) a shot, but i always get angry and install kde anyway
[11:50] <timhansen> oneadvent, any luck on locating qmlscene?
[11:50] <bjaanes> Can I ask why you get angry at unity? Just wondering
[11:51] <oneadvent> yea i posted it...
[11:51] <oneadvent> /usr/bin/qmlscene
[11:51] <stylemistake> Hey, but Unity is the SLOWEST desktop
[11:51] <n00b_dust> stylemistake: Yeah, I guess there won't be any other option on the phone end except unity, so people will start adopting it on desktop soon
[11:51] <oneadvent> nope bjaanes it would blow up in here, no way, ogra_ will have to allow that before i start in
[11:51] <ogra_> stylemistake, did you try raring (13.04) ?
[11:51] <bjaanes> kk :)
[11:51] <stylemistake> currently, it even sucks in comparison with KDE + KWin effects
[11:51] <oneadvent> n00b_dust: there is always plasma active :P
[11:51] <stylemistake> ogra_: not yet
[11:51] <bjaanes> Its slow for some people, but its fast on my computers. At least most of the time :P
[11:52] <ogra_> try it, you will be surprised
[11:52] <timhansen> oneadvent, so then in qtcreator, change the executable path in tools > options, under the external tools tab
[11:52] <RiXtEr> Still no official update ?
[11:52] <ogra_> (especially if you know it from before)
[11:52] <bjaanes> Gets slow after a couple of days with 50 programs open xD
[11:52] <oneadvent> hmm ok
[11:52] <oneadvent> i'll try timhansen
[11:52] <oneadvent> chrome is what keeps my computer slow
[11:52] <timhansen> oneadvent, you may want to do the same with qmlviewer
[11:53] <stylemistake> when I want to play Minecraft, i always switch to gnome2 without effects to play it without lags
[11:53] <oneadvent> apparently do not have qtcreator installed
[11:53] <oneadvent> hmmmm
[11:53] <n00b_dust> oneadvent: Yeah, but I always find KDE/Plasma to be a bit resource-heavy. Or maybe its just me
[11:53] <stylemistake> i hope that is fixed in 13.04
[11:53] <timhansen> oneadvent, lol that would probably help :]
[11:53] <oneadvent> i read an article somewhere that they wer basically the same weight anymore
[11:53] <stylemistake> i think this is because of a new graphics stack
[11:54] <robin-gloster_> wiki.ubuntu.com down everywhere?
[11:54] <ogra_> fine here
[11:54] <stylemistake> robin-gloster_: yes
[11:54] <stylemistake> it's down
[11:54] <timhansen> ogra_, any idea if we'll have the preview within the next hour or so? ;]
[11:54] <n00b_dust> robin-gloster_ working fine for me
[11:54] <ogra_> timhansen, unlikely, the leaking delayed everything
[11:55] <oneadvent> i'm installing that
[11:55] <oneadvent> btw timhansen
[11:55] <robin-gloster_> seems some caching server is running haywire
[11:55] <stylemistake> leakage???
[11:55] <stylemistake> where?
[11:55] <CuttingEdge> robin-gloster_: down here too
[11:55] <oneadvent> stylemistake: yea but it is borked here or there
[11:56] <ProGEEK> those leaks, were they the final images ?
[11:57] <oneadvent> same problem, looking at qtcreator
[11:57] <n00b_dust> ProGEEK I don't think anyone can confirm that as of now. You'd have to wait for the final images to be out to compare the hashes
[11:58] <timhansen> ogra_, dammit -.-
[11:58] <stylemistake> http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus4/comments/18y4ki/ubuntu_phone_files_leaked/
[11:58] <ogra_> sigh, please dont post links to that here
[11:58] <timhansen> oneadvent, it can't find something?
[11:58] <stylemistake> i won't risk dowloading leaks, though
[11:58] <bjaanes> I think Ill be waiting a couple of hours for the real thing with instructions ^^
[11:58] <Nagu> Hi orga.. when can we expect the images from ubuntu side?
[11:59] <mainerror> Today.
[11:59] <ogra_> later today, if the testing finished
[11:59] <stylemistake> wiki is up again
[11:59] <timhansen> stylemistake, yea, i'm good. i'll wait for the real thing
[11:59] <ProGEEK> wiki never went down lol
[11:59] <ProGEEK> well didnt for me lol
[11:59] <ogra_> neither for me
[11:59] <timhansen> ProGEEK, me either
[11:59] <mainerror> Nagu: You'll find it here when it gets released. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[11:59] <stylemistake> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess or here?
[12:00] <Andy80> jppiiroi1en, there is a missin dep somewhere, because even doing "sudo apt-get build-dep qtcreator" it doesn't install the Qt5 SVG lib: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQt5Svg
[12:00] <mainerror> stylemistake: There too I reckon. :)
[12:00] <Andy80> jppiiroi1en, I'm going to install it, but probably it's missing in debian/* somewhere if it's not automatically installed
[12:02] <oneadvent> timhansen: still workin on this :(
[12:02] <stylemistake> would be even greater, if ubuntu phone wouldn't disable LTE on nexus4
[12:02] <oneadvent> file:///usr/share/notepad-qml/Notepad.qml:2:1: module "Ubuntu.Components" is not installed
[12:03] <oneadvent> thats what i'm up to
[12:03] <ProGEEK> i wonder, if once installed, if you can then reboot into Clockwork Mod Recovery then take a backup
[12:03] <vibhav> ProGEEK: probably
[12:03] <vibhav> org
[12:04] <ProGEEK> would make sense, considering from what i've seen, it uses the same partitioning schema as android
[12:04] <vibhav> ogra_: last question, does Ubuntu phone use dpkg internally?
[12:04] <oneadvent> well ogra_ DOES IT
[12:04] <ogra_> vibhav, i think so, yes
[12:05] <timhansen> oneadvent, yea, i was getting that error in mint as well. reinstalled ubuntu to see if there was any difference, but then my ati drivers killed my desktop -.-
[12:05] <stylemistake> i have a last question too
[12:05]  * vibhav cheers
[12:05] <vibhav> \o/
[12:06] <stylemistake> does it have a blackjack and tits?
[12:06] <stylemistake> but i know, that it has
[12:06] <stylemistake> see you later, guys
[12:06] <ogra_> it has a browser ... should get you both on demand ...
[12:07] <timhansen> lol
[12:07] <vibhav> ...
[12:07] <ProGEEK> LOL
[12:07] <oneadvent> well
[12:07] <oneadvent> i redid the install stuff from http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/#step-get-toolkit
[12:07] <oneadvent> still have the same erorr
[12:08] <oneadvent> i can only assume i should not be deving for this device
[12:08] <timhansen> oneadvent: haha
[12:08] <mainerror> oneadvent: What error?
[12:08] <oneadvent> http://paste2.org/p/2931323
[12:09] <mainerror> Stupid question, but are you sure the SDK is properly installed?
[12:09] <ProGEEK> man my phone is running hot tonight
[12:09] <ProGEEK> think CM10.1 is wigging out again
[12:10] <oneadvent> mainerror: i'm willing to check however you want me to
[12:10] <oneadvent> i can get to the qmlcreator though
[12:11] <mainerror> I'd say try to reinstall just the ubuntu-sdk package. sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-sdk
[12:11] <oneadvent> so here is another stupid question. I have the galaxy nexus (bought just for this btw) and it has cm10 on it with clockwork. Say I make a backup, will i be able to go back to it like usual or will ubuntu take away clockwork too?
[12:13] <oneadvent> http://paste2.org/p/2931342 <- mainerror
[12:15] <mainerror> oneadvent: Even though I don't know the exact process to install Ubuntu phone I assume yes.
[12:16] <timhansen> oneadvent: does this path exist? /opt/qt5/imports/Ubuntu/Components
[12:16] <oneadvent> timhansen: that directory does not exist
[12:17] <oneadvent> sweet mainerror i hope so, the biggest problem is there is no sd card, so i'm afraid that it will overwrite that part too
[12:18] <mainerror> timhansen: That directory doesn't exist for me either and I don't have such a problem.
[12:18] <timhansen> mainerror: gotcha. was just reading some forum post, but that guy is on 12.04
[12:18] <mainerror> oneadvent: overwriting which part? In mean in theory it is like the Android image flash method.
[12:19] <oneadvent> its a mystery timhansen and mainerror
[12:19] <oneadvent> and mainerror yea i thought it said had to override it all, if it can install just like a rom i'm gonna be stoked
[12:19] <timhansen> that would be pretty nice
[12:20] <mainerror> Well, you'll lose your CM image, not sure if you'll lose the virtual SDCard too. Could be.
[12:20] <oneadvent> ogra_: wanna confirm or deny? anyone that used the leak wanna confirm/deny (since that should install basically the same way)
[12:28] <ogra_> confirm/deny what ?
[12:28] <oneadvent> if the install process is basically like installing an android rom? (where the virtual sd card is left alone)
[12:28] <ogra_> no idea, i havent written the installer/flash code
[12:28] <ogra_> you will see once it is released ;)
[12:29] <oneadvent> well i'm wondering if we will be able to backup android system in clockwork
[12:29] <ogra_> meanwhile just write some apps while waiting ;)
[12:29] <oneadvent> i can't write apps for the phone, see above lol, the install process isn't quite right
[12:30] <ogra_> oh, you mean for the SDK ? i have no clue about that
[12:30] <oneadvent> :/
[12:30] <wait4phone> Backup in recovery, move the backup to computer and you are fine
[12:30] <ogra_> havent used it at all yet (i will soon for sure)
[12:30] <oneadvent> yea wait4phone that is what i'm thinking about
[12:31] <lonequid> you should backup the emulated sdcard if you have one also it might wipe that
[12:31] <jppiiroi1en> Andy80: good catch :)
[12:31] <wait4phone> you can always fastboot flash back to Android
[12:31] <ogra_> wasnt there something called nandroid backup or so ?
[12:31] <ogra_> that should make a pretty low level backup afaik
[12:31] <wait4phone> nandroid means the backup you do from recovery
[12:32] <wait4phone> It doesn't include the "sd card"
[12:32] <ogra_> aha
[12:32] <oneadvent> i'm just hoping for an easy back and forth
[12:32] <wait4phone> I'm hoping for dual boot:)
[12:33] <ogra_> no dual boot
[12:33] <ogra_> (and not planned afaik)
[12:34] <wait4phone> If it's not technically complicated, someone will develop it
[12:36] <Tak> hm @ no dual boot
[12:42] <oneadvent> OMG it is live
[12:42] <oneadvent> j/k
[12:43] <oneadvent> did i get anyone?
[12:44] <yeahUbuntu> Nope
[12:44] <fyksen> Hey! Is the image out yet?
[12:44] <oneadvent> sure woulda been funny if i had
[12:44] <yeahUbuntu> but only because I didn't see your message until after you said j/k
[12:45] <oneadvent> i didn't want to crash the site
[12:49] <wait4phone> Did you just answer by changing the topic? lol
[12:50] <ogra_> our masters voice :)
[12:52] <popey> :D
[12:52] <popey> in anticipation of others asking the same question
[12:53] <Tak> xchat should give a diff on topic change
[12:54] <ogra_> iirc there once was a plugin script for xchat doing that
[12:54] <ogra_> not sure it still exists somewhere
[13:01] <roxkYu> 21st Feb is going to end soon.
[13:01] <vibhav> Not here
[13:02] <Great_Day> You can follow https://plus.google.com/115054251212417394181/posts to get notified when it is there...
[13:02] <roxkYu> is it Mark ShuttleWorth has not given the green light?
[13:02] <Great_Day> He posted two hours ago that it takes another few hours till it is there...
[13:03] <mainerror> roxkYu: For you maybe, for me it's still 14:00
[13:03] <mattwj2002> where is the image?
[13:04] <ogra_> roxkYu, we wanted to release earlier, but someone from xda grabbed and published the files while we were testing, now everything got delayed and we are re-testing everything again
[13:04] <roxkYu> i see..
[13:04] <roxkYu> that's a good news..
[13:04] <mattwj2002> current time 7:04 am 2/21/2013
[13:04] <roxkYu> i;m from Singapore
[13:04] <mattwj2002> ;P
[13:04] <ogra_> so it will still take a while since we have to do it twice
[13:04] <mattwj2002> :P
[13:04] <roxkYu> my time here is 2105hrs
[13:05] <mattwj2002> O.o
[13:05] <vibhav> ogra_: was the leak a security breach?
[13:05] <ogra_> vibhav, nope
[13:05] <roxkYu> @ogra: you are the canonical team member?
[13:05] <meetingology> roxkYu: Error: "ogra:" is not a valid command.
[13:06] <ogra_> roxkYu, i work for canonical. yes
[13:06] <roxkYu> i see..
[13:06] <wait4phone> what? som1 from xda? where is the link (if its still exists)
[13:06] <ogra_> not particulary on the phone image atm, i'm just publishing it
[13:06] <roxkYu> it's ok. i;m just to free.. bunch of time to kill..
[13:06] <roxkYu> i mean..i;m just too free..
[13:06] <ogra_> well, write some apps
[13:06] <ogra_> while waiting ;)
[13:06] <roxkYu> ops..
[13:06] <roxkYu> that's not my cup of tea..
[13:06] <roxkYu> lolz..
[13:07] <ogra_> html5 isnt that hard :)
[13:07] <roxkYu> ya..i did enrol some online free courses..
[13:07] <roxkYu> somehow, got stop for a while till now..
[13:08] <mainerror> I'm |                      | <-- this excited already. :D
[13:08]  * vibhav is writing a chess engine in C which could will probably get a Ubuntu Phone port
[13:09] <ogra_> awesome ! chess
[13:11] <Great_Day> hhmm... just an random question... while I was trying to develop something for ubuntu phone I got an error. I had a syntax error on the VisualItem Model. Now, my question: is VisualItemModel not defined in qtquick 2.0?
[13:14] <timhansen> sigh
[13:16] <Yugge> What is the recommended android backup solution? I think I could waste some time on backup while waiting for the image :)
[13:16] <Great_Day> Yugge: Titanium backup + superbackup
[13:18] <Yugge> Thanks
[13:19] <ment0s> Hi
[13:20] <wait4phone> Yugge: Backup from recovery (nandroid) + copy all the contents of /sdcard (that also includes the nandroid) to computer
[13:20] <mainerror> Yugge: The cloud. :P
[13:24] <nono68200> or just use CWM Backup... Works very well for me.
[13:31] <mutantkeyboard> anything yet?
[13:32] <Yugge> mutantkeyboard: leaked images delayed official release a few hours, nothing released yet
[13:33] <mutantkeyboard> yes, I know that. I have leaked images, and GSM doesn't work on these, got back to JellyBean for now
[13:33] <Yugge> right
[13:33] <Yugge> Was that easy to do?
[13:34] <Yugge> Going back that is
[13:34] <timhansen> why did leaked images delay the release?
[13:34] <mutantkeyboard> yes. you just need to download factory image for your device - maguro in my case and do fastboot -flash al
[13:34] <mutantkeyboard> I mean flash-all
[13:35] <mutantkeyboard> then it restores your phone to a stock android
[13:36] <mutantkeyboard> timhansen, these images are insecure, because they were there just for a showcase, and are not stable
[13:36] <timhansen> mutantkeyboard: right.. but why do they affect the release?
[13:37] <mutantkeyboard> I have no clue ogra_ the guy responsible for nexus 7 images gave us this information couple of hours ago
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Yugge, leaked images!?!?!?/
[13:37] <ogra_> we were in the middle of testing when xda spread them around, so we had to tear down everything, set up a new place for testing and re-test all over
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Canonical should have better security then:P
[13:38] <smartboyhw> ogra_, that is quite a problem
[13:38] <ogra_> ??
[13:38] <timhansen> ahh
[13:38] <timhansen> makes more sense then
[13:39] <ogra_> smartboyhw, has nothing to do with security
[13:40] <rymate1234> hi
[13:41] <mainerror> o/ smartboyhw
[13:41] <rymate1234> will ubuntu phone work on a single core armv6 phone???
[13:41] <timhansen> ewe, single core
[13:41] <timhansen> *eww
[13:41] <rymate1234> ikr
[13:41] <Darkwing> aaaaaand it begins.
[13:41] <timhansen> stupid auto correct
[13:41] <rymate1234> im poor tho
[13:42] <rymate1234> well
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Hello mainerror
[13:42] <ogra_> rymate1234, it isnt designed for that and will only run on v7 hardware ... though nobody would stop you to port it to a single core v7 device
[13:42] <rymate1234> yay
[13:42] <rymate1234> thought so
[13:42] <ogra_> not that you would have much fun with that though
[13:42] <Darkwing> Porting will fun. :) My first port will be CDMA Galaxy Nexus
[13:42] <rymate1234> I'd been surprised if it was portable to armv6
[13:43] <mutantkeyboard> source will be available
[13:43] <Darkwing> assuming that toro isn't being released.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> rymate1234, I really want to port it to armv6 if I knew how to do it
[13:43] <mutantkeyboard> check documentation and prepare to write a lot of kernel modules
[13:43] <ogra_> rymate1234, i meant to a single core v7 device :)
[13:43] <timhansen> lol
[13:43] <mainerror> Darkwing: Nexus S please. :D
[13:43] <ogra_> ubuntu doesnt have any packages for v6 anymore
[13:44] <mutantkeyboard> really?
[13:44] <Darkwing> mainerror: I've been doing Android ports for years... I'm planning on spending a lot of time porting
[13:44] <ogra_> so you would have to rebuild all of ubuntu first
[13:44] <mutantkeyboard> I didn't see that in repo
[13:44] <MostHated> I heard the functionality is ridiculously limited? is it even usable as an actual phone, as in making calls or anything?
[13:44] <mutantkeyboard> yes
[13:44] <smartboyhw> MostHated, yes I think
[13:44] <frals> its just dummy data in all apps, no? :p
[13:45] <rymate1234> I heard a lot of the apps are screenshots
[13:45] <mutantkeyboard> yes, it's dummy data, but the functionality is ok for the alpha release. This is a developers preview guys
[13:45] <ogra_> MostHated, its a develoer preview, what do you expect ?
[13:45] <ogra_> *developer
[13:45] <mainerror> Yea, but you'll have an actual device to develop against AAAAND something to show-off. :D
[13:45] <mutantkeyboard> indeed
[13:45] <MostHated> that is what i expected, i was just wondering if it was usable
[13:45] <ogra_> and an SDK :)
[13:45] <rymate1234> I love showing off screenshots!
[13:45] <Darkwing> Fine by me. Porting updates will be okay.
[13:46] <mutantkeyboard> I already have something in mind. I will try to port some of my existing Mac and Android apps
[13:46] <ogra_> rymate1234, so write a screenshot app then ;)
[13:46] <MostHated> I have yet to see any sort of dual boot for nexus 4, has no one made one yet so that android can still be used?
[13:46] <rymate1234> Will there be a way to run the apps on standard ubuntu?
[13:47] <Darkwing> MostHated: I've seen it for Nexus 7... Nothing on the N4 yet that Ihave found.
[13:47] <d_ed_> rymate1234: the developer docs show how to test locally
[13:47] <rymate1234> ok!
[13:47] <d_ed_> rymate1234: which is /almost/ the same thing.
[13:47] <MostHated> hopefully whoever made the n7 one, makes it for n4 too : \
[13:47] <lonequid> ogra_ can you confirm/deny if this is true? "Ubuntu Phone chroots & boots a QML shell on top of a CyanogenMod core OS sans Android UI"
[13:48] <d_ed_> does anyone know if anyone is working on an instant messaging client for Ubuntu phone
[13:48] <ogra_> no, i cant, i'm not working o the image itself, i only publish it
[13:48] <d_ed_> and/or where I could find out.
[13:48] <lonequid> ok
[13:48] <mutantkeyboard> d_ed nobody AFAIK
[13:48] <Darkwing> MostHated: If you want to look into the recovery for dual on the N7, I'm sure you can figure out how to dual it on the N4...
[13:48] <tilal6991> Dualling has been done with full ubuntu
[13:49] <tilal6991> So I don't see why it can't be done here
[13:49] <Darkwing> Because of the way that phones boot.
[13:49] <mutantkeyboard> yes, but you have to make changes in the kernel itself to make it available
[13:49] <d_ed_> perfect. I'm lead dev of the KDE IM client. We have a full Qt infrastructure and QML plugins for IM -things ready.
[13:49] <mutantkeyboard> :)
[13:49] <d_ed_> there's limited K* stuff in the part that we use in the declarative world.
[13:49] <ogra_> the touch preview isnt designed for dual boot ... though i guess some clever soul will figure it out and make that work
[13:49] <ogra_> liek they did with the nexus7 desktop image
[13:50] <Darkwing> ogra_: that's what I was refering to. :)
[13:50] <mutantkeyboard> man, the waiting is killing me
[13:50] <timhansen> mutantkeyboard: same
[13:51] <roxkYu> i think we should console ourselves..good stuff is worth waiting..
[13:51] <mutantkeyboard> roxkYu: indeed
[13:51] <roxkYu> Yeah
[13:51] <timhansen> roxkYu: we've been waiting all month ;]
[13:51] <timhansen> lol
[13:52] <mutantkeyboard> I hope that it comes with binutils
[13:52] <roxkYu> yes man
[13:52] <ogra_> it comes with a full ubuntu rootfs
[13:52] <mutantkeyboard> nice ...
[13:52] <ogra_> so indeed also with binutils
[13:53] <mutantkeyboard> one more question ogra_ ... are you root by default by using a phone, or you have to "root" it like we did with android
[13:53] <usererror> ^ 2nd
[13:53] <ogra_> uh, no idea, as i said, i havent had time to use it yet
[13:53] <mainerror> I'm wondering if the release cadence of Ubuntu phone is going to be in sync with the normal Ubuntu releases.
[13:53] <ogra_> but i assume you will have a sudo user
[13:53] <ogra_> like on every other ubuntu
[13:53] <mutantkeyboard> :]
[13:54] <usererror> mainerror: it has been said that it will be in official videos from ubuntu
[13:55] <mainerror> huh
[13:55] <ogra_> it wont in the beginning, but will over time once all the bits of the demo are in the archive ... dont forget the actual release date for this is 14.04
[13:55] <Darkwing> here is to hoping that there will be a torrent... the servers are going to flip out otherwise.
[13:55] <ogra_> nah
[13:56] <mainerror> Oh yea, no I was thinking after the final release.
[13:56] <ogra_> we have millions and millions of hits on tehse servers on an ubuntu release day ... they will cope
[13:56] <Darkwing> ogra_: :D
[13:56] <ogra_> oh, yeah, the final release will indeed also have torrents
[13:57] <mainerror> Cool.
[13:57] <ogra_> and by then we should likely get more hits that for a desktop cd
[13:57] <nagu> orga.. Is the phone os release happened??? waiting for your words..
[13:57] <ogra_> *than
[13:57] <ogra_> nagu, nope
[13:57] <ogra_> see topic :)
[13:57] <mainerror> So the normal software update process will be handled like on a normal Ubuntu system, via apt-get?
[13:57] <ogra_> it will be updated once it is
[13:57] <ogra_> right, thats the plan
[13:57] <Darkwing> ogra_: Do you know if there will be a changelog from the Android kernel?
[13:57] <mainerror> That would be wicked.
[13:58] <ogra_> no idea, but there will be devs around in here later that can answer this
[13:58] <Darkwing> ogra_: Okay cool. Thanks
[13:58] <rymate1234> wait
[13:59] <rymate1234> so ubuntu phone still uses apt-get?
[13:59] <rymate1234> :D
[13:59] <Darkwing> It's still Ubuntu.
[13:59] <ogra_> why woudlnt it ... its ubuntu
[13:59] <nagu> would like to know when can we expect to download :)
[13:59] <mainerror> You know, that will be a major advantage compared to Android and iOS.
[14:00] <rymate1234> so that means I could potentially run apache on my phone
[14:00] <Darkwing> What will? apt-get?
[14:00] <rymate1234> lmao
[14:00] <mutantkeyboard> ndeed
[14:00] <mainerror> *IF* carriers don't interfere with those plans.
[14:00] <usererror> ogra, I'm guessing it'll be released in about 2 hours (best guess kinda thing)??
[14:00] <Darkwing> LAMP stack on your nexus... with full VPN
[14:00] <rymate1234> mainerror, then don't buy it from a carrier
[14:00] <ogra_> usererror, it will be released once the testing is done :)
[14:00] <usererror> lol okay :)
[14:00] <_methods> wow say hello to your new data bill
[14:00] <usererror> haha
[14:01]  * Darkwing polishes his unlimited data
[14:01] <mutantkeyboard> :D
[14:01] <roxkYu> let's us do the testing...lolz..
[14:01] <roxkYu> just kidding...
[14:01]  * usererror makes sure the bill is paid to retain unlimited data
[14:01] <roxkYu> :-)
[14:01] <Darkwing> Not that my verizon phone will be able to run it for a bit :S
[14:01] <roxkYu> i don't know how to do it anyway.
[14:01] <bjaanes> Man i connected my computer to my mobile phone for data once.  My bill got nasty :(
[14:01] <mainerror> _methods: No one forces you to update while on mobile connection. You can update from a WiFi network.
[14:01] <_methods> i know
[14:01] <usererror> oh darkwing, I bet within 2 hours of the source being released someone will have a toro image for us
[14:02] <_methods> i was just saying
[14:02] <Darkwing> usererror: I'm waiting for it to start hacking for toro.
[14:02] <usererror> :D
[14:02] <Darkwing> I'm one of those who will be working on it...
[14:02] <_methods> toro not going to be supported?
[14:02] <mutantkeyboard> roxkYu: because smart guys from xda wanted to do a testing, Canonical has postponed release
[14:02] <usererror> yeah I want to do a UI overhaul.. all white on black
[14:02] <Darkwing> I doubt it... toro gets no love.
[14:02] <usererror> the Gnex looks so good with white on black
[14:02] <_methods> damn verizon
[14:03] <usererror> lol
[14:03] <mutantkeyboard> I have white Gnex
[14:03] <Darkwing> I'm hoping that they drop a white nexus 4
[14:03] <mainerror> I'm selling my ThinkPad X60 just to get my hands on a Gnex ...
[14:03] <usererror> well, I believe all the drivers are available independently at the same place you get the source for the gnex, but its probably a licensing issue for ubuntu that is holding it up...
[14:03] <ogra_> mutantkeyboard, thats kind of backwards
[14:04] <usererror> lol
[14:04] <mutantkeyboard> I see :)
[14:04] <usererror> my favorite thing about it is the amoled with the black bezel.. makes the screen disappear into the thing.. white?  would ruin that for me.. but I get some people love white electronics
[14:05] <mutantkeyboard> sorry guys, I'm a bit tired, I got up early this morning to have a job interview with my wife. she thought that she couldn't do it by herself :/
[14:05] <usererror> that is good of you :)
[14:05] <ogra_> you are interviewing your wife ?
[14:05] <usererror> lol
[14:05] <mainerror> heh
[14:05]  * ogra_ never thought of that
[14:05] <usererror> or interviewing for a wife?
[14:05] <bjaanes> You should *always* interview your wife...
[14:05] <mutantkeyboard> I mean, I went with her to do a job interview
[14:05] <usererror> lol
[14:05] <Darkwing> hehehe
[14:05] <mutantkeyboard> LOL
[14:06] <mutantkeyboard> well at least I made y'all laugh
[14:06] <usererror> :)
[14:06] <ogra_> good luck for her
[14:06] <mainerror> _"Honey, I'll call you back, alright? Thanks for coming."_
[14:06] <mutantkeyboard> hahahahah :D
[14:06] <mutantkeyboard> you got me on this one
[14:06] <ogra_> tell her 175 ppl in an IRC channel cross fingers for her
[14:06] <mutantkeyboard> will do thanks :D
[14:06] <ogra_> (until the image comes out and they need tehir fingers again)
[14:06] <Darkwing> ogra_: ++
[14:07] <mainerror> I can cross my toes ogra_
[14:07] <ogra_> so guys, we might need to delay that release more until that interview is done successfully
[14:07] <Yugge> Programming crossfingered is pretty hard.
[14:07] <mainerror> Mustitasking you know.
[14:07] <mutantkeyboard> anyhow guys... gotta go slowly ... have fun and talk to you later .. enjoy
[14:07] <ogra_> j/k indeed
[14:08] <usererror> I just hope the images come out in a form that I can flash them in my existing recovery.. that'd be rad.. then I can switch between them easily
[14:08] <Darkwing> Have a pot of coffee ready for hack-a-thon
[14:08] <usererror> via backups with all the data and everything
[14:08] <usererror> but I'm sure someone will wrap that up at some point either way, or I'll relearn how
[14:08] <usererror> :D
[14:09] <usererror> I wish I could set up a buzzer for when it comes out
[14:09] <bjaanes> You probably could
[14:09] <usererror> yeah but that means writing code.. and I'm about 4 hours overdue already
[14:09] <Darkwing> If you don't know yet... You might want to get an android SDK setup for the tools like fastboot for when you want to go back to Android...
[14:10] <usererror> if you are on ubuntu, fastboot and ADB are both in the repos
[14:10] <usererror> so you don't need the SDK
[14:10] <usererror> I really really hate eclipse, so for me that is a life saver
[14:10] <Darkwing> and maybe (If you don't have it) the stock image for your device.
[14:10] <bjaanes> Im thinking some script to monitor the touchinstall page, and just to make stuff difficult; some network programming to connect to an arduino with some sort of buzzer. Good way to kill time at least :D
[14:10] <usererror> lol yes that too
[14:10] <Darkwing> I did not know that... I do so much in Android I just have the SDK...
[14:11] <usererror> def do a pull of your stock images before flashing if you don't have that covered yet
[14:11] <timhansen> there are downloads for windows & mac that just contain fast boot & adb
[14:11] <usererror> ahh, I gave up on writing java
[14:11] <usererror> it just.. bugs me
[14:11] <usererror> and eclipse just makes me twitch
[14:11] <Darkwing> It's not so bad... then again, I've been doing it since `98
[14:11] <usererror> I jumped right in on qt creator though
[14:11] <usererror> yeah
[14:12] <nOStahl_> usererror: what do you not like about eclipse
[14:12] <usererror> most everything..
[14:12] <usererror> it just does not fit my workflow
[14:12] <nOStahl_> i've been using aptana studio 3 for web development lately
[14:12] <timhansen> eclipse feels bloated to me
[14:12] <timhansen> but i'm used to sublime
[14:12] <usererror> I cannot say it is a bad program, it just does not mesh with me personally.. also I had a lot of problems over the years with things not working right
[14:12] <bjaanes> Thats kinda the thing with eclipse, you gotta make it fit your workflow - but that takes a lot of time to get right :P
[14:12] <usererror> lol yes sublime is a winner
[14:12] <bjaanes> I dont like it myself either
[14:13] <usererror> I use gedit though.. I like my apt-get.. and sublime has been missing from the repos
[14:13] <usererror> yeah
[14:13] <Darkwing> as a KDE user I just use Kate... One of the best out there.
[14:13] <timhansen> lol, makes sense. it's not hard to extract it & add the dir to PATH tho :P
[14:13] <nOStahl> any of you busy do php, html, js, css work? what do you suggest to use
[14:13] <timhansen> nOStahl: sublime
[14:13] <Darkwing> I like Kate because it can highlight in so much.
[14:13] <netcurli> sublime
[14:14] <usererror> basically anything that takes more than 10 minutes to set up, I don't use.. that is because I do tend to break distros once in a while, and all those things I have to set up add up.. and it gets to be a 14 hour setup pretty fast
[14:14] <Darkwing> Plus, if I set it to python it auto sets the indents.
[14:14] <timhansen> usererror: write a shell script to add the dir to path? ;]
[14:14] <usererror> nOStahl: I use gedit, but sublime is good.. just a highlighting text editor is all you need.. geany is good too
[14:14] <usererror> lol
[14:14] <nOStahl> I use to love bluefish
[14:15] <timhansen> i used to use bluefish
[14:15] <timhansen> many years ago
[14:15] <nOStahl> but I bought a year old mbp for 500 bucks and am trying out mountain lion now heh
[14:15] <usererror> timhansen: basically I should have just made a VM just for android development :p
[14:15] <usererror> then just back up the vm
[14:15] <timhansen> truth, haha
[14:15] <juicyjones> nOStahl mountain lion is great IMO
[14:15] <timhansen> nOStahl: http://c758482.r82.cf2.rackcdn.com/Sublime%20Text%202.0.1.dmg
[14:15] <usererror> yes..
[14:15] <nOStahl> juicyjones: aye it is
[14:16] <nOStahl> looks like sublime is 70 bucks
[14:16] <nOStahl> eclipse is free...
[14:16] <timhansen> no
[14:16] <usererror> I would immediately dual boot linux and osx, keeping osx just for.. shits and giggles?  but thats just me
[14:16] <nOStahl> https://www.sublimetext.com/buy
[14:16] <mainerror> Sublime Text 2 is free as well.
[14:16] <timhansen> nOStahl: http://www.sublimetext.com/2
[14:16] <juicyjones> BBedit. Coda (!). XCode. Don't forget to install homebrew
[14:16] <timhansen> click download, instead of buy
[14:16] <timhansen> lol
[14:16] <_inf> Vim!
[14:16] <vibhav>  emacs!
[14:16] <Darkwing> jsut to see if I could I've written a java program in nano
[14:16] <juicyjones> If not BBEdit then TextWrangler, the free version
[14:16] <nOStahl> it says you can download for free evaluation
[14:16] <usererror> lol
[14:16] <ment0s> nano . lol
[14:17] <usererror> java in nano
[14:17] <nOStahl> usually that means it will cost after 30 days heh
[14:17] <usererror> that takes it
[14:17] <juicyjones> If you work with CSS at all CODA will change your life, nOStahl
[14:17] <usererror> yeah?
[14:17] <timhansen> nOStahl: nah, there's a nag screen every like 50th or 100th time you save
[14:17] <usererror> I'll look at coda
[14:17]  * Tak using eclipse with vim plugin for all c and c++ development on linux and osx
[14:17] <timhansen> nOStahl: but you just click cancel
[14:17] <timhansen> and then it goes away for another 50-100 saves
[14:17] <usererror> juicyjones: is coda osx only?
[14:17] <mainerror> Yea, it is an unlimited evaluation.
[14:18] <juicyjones> usererror yes. and it's too bad for all other platforms
[14:18] <nOStahl> well so far sublime fits the bill, as cross platform
[14:18] <usererror> yes..
[14:18] <juicyjones> For some reason OS X has the best text editors
[14:18] <usererror> very true juicyjones .. very true it does
[14:18] <nOStahl> mac developers have a bit of designer in them
[14:18] <juicyjones> it's frustrating when you have to use unix or windows!
[14:19] <usererror> lol
[14:19] <usererror> I don't use windows
[14:19] <juicyjones> Coda and BBEdit I miss the most when using windows or unix
[14:19] <usererror> I have banned it
[14:19] <nOStahl> I have one windows dev left on my team to convert
[14:19] <juicyjones> shrug, sometimes it's necessary for whatever reason. it's one reason I bought a MBP. Unix + pretty = power
[14:20] <usererror> I'll use OSX if I'm on someone elses machine, but I won't go near windont anymore.. but I'm not trying to start that debate so I should shut up about it :p
[14:20] <nOStahl> I am never on anyone else's machine, they are all inferior to my own :P
[14:21] <rymate1234> lol
[14:21] <Darkwing> I wish I could afford to get a Mac... I want to rewrite some of my mobile stuff for iOS but... I can't :/
[14:21] <ryansipes> usererror, I agree I won't touch Windows.  I'll tolerate a Mac.
[14:21] <usererror> so.. questions about the UI on ubuntu phone .. is it actually based on unity (the code itself) or is it a rewrite, or is it the whole unity package with an alternate UI for phones?
[14:21] <nOStahl> Darkwing: check craigslist all the college kids are upgrading to the retina mac's
[14:21] <juicyjones> you can use Visual Studio C# to write iOS apps now. I just saw an announcement yesterday on Ars about it.
[14:21] <nOStahl> I got a year old mbp for 500 bucks
[14:21] <MostHated> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38283365&postcount=319
[14:21] <timhansen> ogra_: any update on a timeframe? ;]
[14:22] <Darkwing> nOStahl: that's a good idea.
[14:22] <popey> timhansen: see /topic
[14:22] <ogra_> timhansen, its rectangular
[14:23] <nOStahl> well sublime is marginally smaller install than Aptana Studio 3, comes in at 23 megs vs aptana's 201
[14:23] <nOStahl> lol
[14:23] <usererror> get a mac of CL and a ipod touch.. you have to have a device to test on, and it has to be owned by you and tethered to your developer account.. but yeah, you have to test it on a real device according to the cats I know who do ios dev.. they say the emulator does not do the job
[14:23] <Darkwing> the girlfriend has an old iphone when she switched to Android.
[14:24] <Darkwing> and by old I mean the iPhone 4
[14:24] <MostHated> "What is broken:
[14:24] <MostHated> Radio does NOT work (internet, phone calls etc.)
[14:24] <MostHated> Nearly every app that is not listed above is either broken or just shows a sample image of how it will look like in the future"
[14:24] <MostHated> usb doesnt work it says, wtf?
[14:24] <usererror> so ogra... I take it my unity question went by you or is unanswerable, or has been asked too many times already?
[14:24] <Walther> MostHated: where is this?
[14:24] <ogra_> its a developer preview ....
[14:25] <MostHated> the link i just posted
[14:25] <ryansipes> MostHated, what are you quoting?
[14:25] <MostHated> the link i just posted
[14:25]  * Darkwing points to the xda link posted above
[14:26] <timhansen> MostHated: is that the image xda found & posted this morning? that the ubuntu team was testing, which delayed the release?
[14:26] <brian_> Hi All. I've got a MacBook Pro 9,2 and a GalaxyNote 2. I have Ubuntu 12.04LTS installed natively on the MacBook. The Note 2 has been rooted. I would love to use my MacBook without taking it out of the bag. Can I do this with the Note 2?
[14:26] <ogra_> timhansen, what other image would it be
[14:26] <ogra_> i doubt there are others out there
[14:26] <timhansen> ogra_: truth
[14:27] <usererror> okay, 4pm.. check
[14:27] <ogra_> people should keep in mind that this is a developer preview for something that is supposed to release in april 2014 ...
[14:27]  * timhansen looks around at all the impatient people
[14:28] <ogra_> and that it is released to find a community of devs that is willing to make the non working parts work
[14:28] <Darkwing> XDA and this channel will turn into "It doesn't work" forum.
[14:28] <frals> anyone dumped a package list yet of whats in the image?
[14:28] <timhansen> Darkwing: lol
[14:28] <timhansen> more than likely
[14:28] <frals> since theres still nothing about what middleware should/will be in the dist
[14:28] <nagu> Orga.. any updates?
[14:29] <Darkwing> The topic will change on an update.
[14:29] <ogra_> just watch the topic :)
[14:29] <nOStahl> does sublime text 2 have any sort of php debugging ability
[14:29] <usererror> why does it say "This or" now? lol
[14:29] <k1l_> is the nexus4 image supposed to have the desktop docking mode? and if so: what hardware is requiered for that?
[14:29] <mainerror> nOStahl: What do you call debugging ability?
[14:30] <mhall119> k1l_: I don't think any of the images will have that yet
[14:30] <nagu> Yes just watching from morning :-(
[14:30] <mainerror> Generally, there are myriads of packages you can install in ST2.
[14:30] <nOStahl> xdebug
[14:30] <k1l_> mhall119: ok
[14:30] <rymate1234> k1l_, probably not and I don't know
[14:30] <ogra_> mhall119, !
[14:31] <ogra_> good to have someone else here :)
[14:31]  * Darkwing snickers
[14:31] <juicyjones>  "Twitter user @stroughtonsmith claims that "Ubuntu Phone chroots & boots a QML shell on top of a CyanogenMod core OS sans Android UI"."
[14:31]  * ogra_ is only half capable of answering all tehse questions
[14:31] <mainerror> juicyjones: Yea, we had that one already.
[14:31] <vibhav> Heh
[14:31] <smartboyhw> ogra_, add oil:P
[14:32] <timhansen> haha
[14:32] <timhansen> poor ogra_
[14:32] <ryansipes> I wonder if the XDA guy used the GSM version, because what I understood from the Mailing List is that radio would work.
[14:32] <Darkwing> I'm just waiting for ogra_ to start refering to the press pack
[14:33] <ogra_> lol
[14:33] <ogra_> i'm a dev, not a marketing guy :)
[14:33] <Darkwing> ogra_: I konw the feeling... except I'm a dev/community guy
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Who's the marketing guy here?
[14:34]  * smartboyhw is a QA guy
[14:34] <frals> get the tar and feathers!
[14:34]  * Darkwing points to the press pack on marketing
[14:34] <frals> ... or is that not how you treat marketing ppl? :o
[14:34] <Walther> juicyjones: ...is that actually true or just trolling?
[14:35] <Darkwing> Walther: I would assume that 90% of the information out there is trolling
[14:35] <Darkwing> until source and images are dropped.
[14:36] <Walther> Sadly.
[14:37] <usererror> okay well I'm going to end my loitering here for now.. hope all goes smooth for the Ubuntu Devs :)
[14:42] <Darkwing> Oh boy, jono arrives. ogra_ now you have someone to point to :P:P
[14:42]  * ogra_ smells tablet images in the oven over there ....
[14:43]  * jono looks innocently
[14:43] <Darkwing> Hey jono
[14:43] <rsalveti> morning
[14:43] <jono> hey Darkwing :-)
[14:43] <stylemistake> hey
[14:43] <ogra_> ah, its jono ... trhen s/oven/smoker/
[14:43] <jono> ogra_, :-)
[14:43] <stylemistake> UP has a swipe gesture to bring the last app back
[14:44] <ogra_> no, its not released yet ...
[14:44] <stylemistake> but has it the do the same thing, but in other direction?
[14:44] <Darkwing> ogra_: pre-empting?
[14:44] <ogra_> well, we're getting there
[14:45]  * Darkwing writes a script for ogra_ to auto reply to every entry "No, it's not released yet"
[14:45] <juicyjones> F5
[14:45] <stylemistake> Darkwing: xD
[14:45] <sada> hello
[14:45] <kukacz> hello to everyoane
[14:45] <Darkwing> I'm looking forward to UDS
[14:46] <Darkwing> Be good to see everyone again.
[14:46] <sada> ubuntu phone source
[14:46] <sada> ?
[14:46]  * Darkwing points to the topic
[14:46]  * juicyjones reads the topic.
[14:46]  * juicyjones looks at sada.
[14:46]  * juicyjones reads the topic again.
[14:47] <stylemistake> i already expect, how i am going to be pissed off switching between two apps in ubuntu phone
[14:47] <kukacz> when will be aviable ubuntu os fer galaxy nexus?
[14:47] <ogra_> soooon
[14:47] <mainerror> stylemistake: Why?
[14:47] <ogra_> be a little patient
[14:47] <stylemistake> mainerror: look
[14:47] <mainerror> Darkwing: Off-topic but where is it going to be? Was that announced already?
[14:47] <stylemistake> mainerror: i open a browser, go to an internet banking system
[14:48] <juicyjones> mainerror https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess
[14:48] <mainerror> juicyjones: I was referring to the UDS.
[14:48] <stylemistake> mainerror: then i open a gallery, to get a look on my card with codes
[14:48] <juicyjones> gotcha
[14:49] <stylemistake> mainerror: then i switch back to browser with a swipe
[14:49] <Darkwing> I mainerror I don't believe that it has been announced  but I would assume that it will be in the bay area again.
[14:49] <mainerror> Aw, bummer.
[14:49] <stylemistake> mainerror: but if i need them again, i can't recall them again without launching the app, there is no gesture for that
[14:50] <mainerror> I'm still all pissed off because I've missed the Denmark UDS ...
[14:50] <Darkwing> I know it will be May 6 - 9
[14:50] <mainerror> stylemistake: I see, but how's Android any better in that respect?
[14:51] <stylemistake> mainerror: it has a dedicated button for that
[14:51] <mainerror> I was there in May 2011, in Budapest.
[14:51] <stylemistake> mainerror: and it lists all recent apps
[14:51] <stylemistake> mainerror: not only the previous one
[14:52] <mainerror> stylemistake: Are you sure about that? http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/design
[14:52] <ryansipes> stylemistake, you can show all running apps - see them in two places
[14:52] <kyler084> hi
[14:52] <ryansipes> stylemistake, if you swipe up from the bottom it appears as though it will open up the HUD showing running apps
[14:53] <ryansipes> stylemistake, Also shows running apps on homescreen (based on the videos)
[14:53] <stylemistake> ryansipes: hmm
[14:53] <ment0s> guys, sorry for asking but I cannot see it in log ..., is there any OTA ? roughly ? I clicking refresh button till 00:00 lol
[14:53] <kyler084> =1
[14:53] <kyler084> +1
[14:53] <Darkwing> I know they are saying soon.
[14:54] <MostHated> earlier images are released
[14:54] <Darkwing> Watch the topic for changes.
[14:54] <kyler084> on the wiki ?
[14:54] <ogra_> no images were reeased
[14:54] <MostHated> i have them
[14:54] <ogra_> *released
[14:54]  * mainerror points to topic
[14:54] <ogra_> you have something you pulled from mega
[14:54] <ogra_> how do youo know that didnt inject a virus into your LAN ?
[14:55]  * Darkwing grins
[14:55] <ogra_> when running it first
[14:55] <MostHated> i didnt open them
[14:55] <ogra_> lucky you
[14:55] <ogra_> :)
[14:55] <mainerror> :D
[14:55] <MostHated> im not retarded lol
[14:55] <ryansipes> Why would anyone want to install the allegedly real image when they can wait a few hours and get the real thing
[14:56] <kyler084> im going to be porting ubuntu to htc desire as soon as imgs and source is released
[14:56] <Tak> I'm pretty sure you figured it out at "wait a few hours" ;-)
[14:56] <ryansipes> Maybe earlier in the week, but wouldn't make any sense day of release.
[14:56] <ogra_> kyler084, ++
[14:57] <kyler084> :)
[14:57] <ogra_> everyone should port it to their favorite device ... or write some apps
[14:57] <ogra_> or ... BOTH !
[14:57] <rsalveti> kyler084: we'll be posting a porting guide as well later today
[14:57] <rsalveti> yeah
[14:57] <kyler084> agree both aha
[14:57] <kyler084> rsalveti awesome
[14:57] <stylemistake> kyler084: HTC HD2 is not an exception :D
[14:57] <rsalveti> everything is now *in progress* :-)
[14:57] <ryansipes> Tak, Well folks should take a breathe and jump on youtube and watch videos of the Justice League.  That will cheer them up.
[14:58] <kyler084> lol :)
[14:58] <ogra_> http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/18y9ij/when_this_post_is_3_hours_old_canonical_will/
[14:58] <ogra_> tsk, nonsense
[14:58] <ogra_> we never released anything at GMT
[14:58] <ogra_> only at UTC
[14:58]  * ogra_ tickles awe_
[14:58] <SailorMoon> Release it now, problem solved.
[14:58] <stylemistake> something tells me it will be released at 23:59:59, today
[14:58] <kyler084> it will be interesting to see the performance we get from htc desire tbh
[14:59] <ogra_> stylemistake, thats true for some TZ i would guess
[14:59] <stylemistake> and it will be legit, still
[14:59]  * awe_ needs more of a slap to wake-up...
[14:59]  * Darkwing pulls out his moto milestone
[14:59] <roxkYu> i will be sleeping then..
[14:59] <MostHated> they said 4pm on xda, but who knows
[14:59]  * ogra_ gives awe_ an espresso and a slap
[14:59] <roxkYu> tomorrow morning will check on it again...
[14:59] <roxkYu> thanks for the update!
[15:00] <roxkYu> tomorrow, will this forum be still active?
[15:00] <kyler084> i know this sounds sad but shaking with excitement aha :D
[15:00] <ogra_> roxkYu, you mean this IRC channel ?
[15:00] <roxkYu> yes yes..
[15:00] <nbf> I'm really bummed the nexus 4 can't support 2560x1600 displays (for desktop mode)
[15:00] <ogra_> i think it is permanent, yes
[15:00] <roxkYu> that's great..
[15:00] <ryansipes> kyler084, It is exciting.  Finally a mobile OS I really want to use.
[15:00] <nbf> I was looking forward to ubuntu phone until I realized that
[15:01] <kyler084> ryansnipes agreed
[15:01] <nbf> I'm more excited about the desktop aspect than the phone, lol
[15:01] <ogra_> but thats not ubuntus fault
[15:01] <roxkYu> i guess i will have a lot of question to ask, before i will clone the image to my nexus
[15:01] <stylemistake> oh, i also don't want to get my android wiped
[15:01] <nbf> it'll be awesome to have a handheld device that can be a desktop
[15:01] <SailorMoon> Release the Hounds.
[15:02] <ryansipes> Um... Release the Kraken?
[15:02] <nOStahl> its too bad that sublime text opens up a text file when it should open a terminal….
[15:02] <stylemistake> i mean, having cwm backup, that can be restored later
[15:02] <mainerror> nOStahl: huh?
[15:02] <nbf> they need to create Sublime Term :)
[15:02] <nOStahl> ya
[15:03] <ryansipes> Is anyone in here working on any of the Core Apps?
[15:03] <Darkwing> create a nandroid and then pull it before you flash ubuntu in case something happens
[15:03] <MostHated> dost thou even hoist?
[15:03] <ryansipes> Specifically the Terminal team?  That's what I need on my uPhone to make this really awesome.
[15:03] <roxkYu> maybe someone here who can do a complete job (ie..backup, cloning of image, etc) upload a demo on YouTube
[15:03] <roxkYu> then give us a link here...
[15:04] <roxkYu> everyone then be able to do it safely and happily!!
[15:04] <roxkYu> LOLz
[15:04] <roxkYu> hmm.. someone from Canonical??
[15:04] <Darkwing> becasue each device is different... XDA has a ton of information on flashing a custom recovervy, making backups etc.
[15:04] <stylemistake> Darkwing: it will be a mindfuck to restore nandroid without cwm (which can possibly get replaced by UP)
[15:05] <Yugge> roxkYu: fairly sure that a guide of some sort will be posted on the official site.
[15:05] <SailorMoon> I'm scared lol
[15:06] <roxkYu> Yugge:  ok..
[15:06] <SailorMoon> How well optimized is this, what if the device overheats?
[15:06] <lonequid> roxkYu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDsADuxb43Q&feature=youtu.be
[15:06] <MostHated> then that sucks
[15:06] <kknikolas> What if it's explodes. Waranty is void with rooting it :Z
[15:06] <SailorMoon> Battery life while sleeping in comparison to Android 4.2.2?
[15:06] <roxkYu> Thanks lonequid
[15:06] <Darkwing> stylemistake: If you copy it with the folder recursivly, you can put it back once you reinstall cwm or, in my case TWRP
[15:07] <lonequid> np. that's from the leaked images, nobody knows if they are the same as what will be released
[15:07] <roxkYu> ok
[15:07] <ogra_> SailorMoon, really depends what you leave running on the phone before going to bed ...
[15:08] <ogra_> mine doesnt drain much while i sleep usually
[15:08] <kknikolas> when exactly will it release today? i mean in london its 15:07
[15:08] <roxkYu> see you all guys.. going to rest soon.
[15:08] <SailorMoon> Android will clock down really slow when sleeping, even if an intense program is running in the background
[15:08] <Great_Day> kknikolas: 16:07 if I am correct
[15:08] <Avedo> Hi there!
[15:08] <kknikolas> no that is in germany where i am :)
[15:09] <Avedo> I have a problem with qtcreator.
[15:09] <nbf> fuck I hate pulseaudio
[15:09] <nbf> !!!!
[15:09] <nbf> I really hope ubuntu phone uses something else :)
[15:09] <Great_Day> uh?
[15:09] <Great_Day> Avedo: what problem
[15:09] <Great_Day> ?
[15:09] <stylemistake> nbf: continue
[15:10] <ogra_> nbf, please keep the language family  friendly
[15:10] <stylemistake> pulseaudio is awesome
[15:10] <Avedo> Since I installed the ubuntu-sdk I was able to launch applications using it, but I wasn't able to create new QtQuick Projects. So I reinstalled qtcreator and since then nothing worked. QtCreator starts, says that plugins could not be loaded and then hangs.
[15:10] <MostHated> do people bring their families in to the ubuntu-phone channel these days?
[15:10] <popey> MostHated: my daughter sometimes watches what I type, yeah
[15:11] <ogra_> dunno, but they could
[15:11] <popey> it's not up for debate though.
[15:11] <Great_Day> Avedo: hmm... sorry can' t help with that, haven' t installed the sdk version... just the qtquick etc...
[15:11] <ogra_> its a rule of thumb for all ubuntu challels actually
[15:11] <ogra_> *cannels
[15:11] <ogra_> bah
[15:11]  * ogra_ gives up
[15:11]  * popey hands ogra_ "Channels"
[15:11] <kknikolas> Avedo: I have the sdk and evrything runs great
[15:11] <ogra_>  thnaks :P
[15:12] <MostHated> "Rule of thumb" refers to beating women
[15:12] <Tak> ^^
[15:12] <mainerror> wat
[15:12] <stylemistake> are there any backports from 13.04 to 12.10?
[15:12] <SailorMoon> No it doesnt, MostHated lol
[15:12] <MostHated> yes it does
[15:12] <bobweaver> tick-tock tick-tock
[15:12] <SailorMoon> it refusers to the thumbs up or down used when feeding people to Lions
[15:12] <SailorMoon> back in the olden days
[15:12] <popey> Enough.
[15:13]  * SailorMoon gives popey some Spinich
[15:13] <popey> it's popey not popeye
[15:13] <popey> lrn2spell
[15:13] <SailorMoon> lol <3
[15:13] <popey> :D
[15:13] <mainerror> lol
[15:13] <Darkwing> awe popey, do you need more coffee? :D
[15:13] <SailorMoon> im just teasing you lol
[15:13] <popey> probably less
[15:13] <Tak> spinach coffee
[15:13] <Avedo> Mhhh, ... is there something like install dependencies?
[15:13] <kknikolas> Avedo: Ubuntu 12.10
[15:14] <Darkwing> Meh, I think I owe you a drink at the next UDS
[15:14] <Avedo> Yeah!
[15:14] <Avedo> Installing qtcreator I get always: Unknown media type in type 'all/all' ....
[15:14] <mainerror> Eeek! Spinach coffee? I don't even ...
[15:14] <Yugge> SailorMoon: The thumb refered to the sword, so there where no thumbs up or down, it was thumbs or no thumbs ;)
[15:14] <Tak> I'd try it
[15:15] <MostHated> "In the United States, legal decisions in Mississippi (1824) and North Carolina (1868 and 1874) make reference to—and reject—an unnamed "old doctrine" or "ancient law" by which a man was allowed to beat his wife with a stick no wider than his thumb"
[15:16] <bobweaver> I sure do hope that the bzr branchs get released today (I took off work for this )
[15:16] <darthmuffins> delete pRuleOfThumb;
[15:16] <Tak> hungarian notation: decidedly unfriendly
[15:16] <kknikolas> Avedo: Can you create other applications with qtcreator. so does only the qtquick don't work?
[15:16] <darthmuffins> Tak: i agree... but funny :)
[15:17] <Avedo> no I couldn't do anything with qtcreator yet
[15:17] <oneadvent> still not done yet
[15:17] <oneadvent> yea i can't even get notepad to work
[15:18] <Avedo> I could I purge the whole qt4 stuff?
[15:20] <brian_>  Hi All. I've got a MacBook Pro 9,2 and a GalaxyNote 2. I have Ubuntu 12.04LTS installed natively on the MacBook. The Note 2 has been rooted. I would love to use my MacBook without taking it out of the bag. Can I do this with the Note 2?
[15:21] <brian_> Can this be done through remote desktop?
[15:21] <SailorMoon> assuming the laptop isnt asleep, i dont see why not
[15:21] <SailorMoon> isnt asleep/is connected to the internet
[15:21] <kknikolas> Avedo: http://qt.digia.com/Support/
[15:22] <SailorMoon> brian_: check into Teamviewer
[15:22] <kyler084> :)
[15:22] <brian_> SailorMoon, Ok, cool. I'm kinda noobish so I'm just looking for a springboard. Teamviewer can be found in synaptic?
[15:22] <Avedo> kknikolas: Thanks I currently try to remove the whole stuff and reinstall it.
[15:23] <Avedo> Is there a way I could uninstall all qt4 packages?
[15:24] <Wouterx> still no img?
[15:25] <kknikolas> Avedo: That should happen if you remove the package with the software center
[15:26] <ogra_> Wouterx, if everyone in this channel has shown me an app for ubuntu phone he/she wrote while waiting, we'll release
[15:26] <kyler084> Wouter, not yet
[15:26] <n00b_dust> brian_ I don't think so. You'll have to get it from their website
[15:26] <darthmuffins> Wouterx: see channel topic
[15:26] <kknikolas> ogra_: i wrote half of an web app
[15:27] <krabador> Topic
[15:27] <SailorMoon> Can we has N7 image now?
[15:27] <ogra_> kknikolas, great, so you'll get half a release :)
[15:27] <n00b_dust> brian_, or if you're looking for just basic stuff like shutting down your macbook / killing a process or that kind of stuff, just use an ssh client on your phone. You will have to learn a few basic commands though if you're not familiar with them
[15:28] <kknikolas> ogra_: already released. sry :D
[15:28] <kyler084> kknikolas ???????
[15:28] <ogra_> your half app ?
[15:28] <brian_> n00b_dust , I want to be able to see my desktop and use my stylist to do work on my MacBook (Ubuntu).
[15:28] <kknikolas> that was the second half of the app
[15:29] <vibhav> ogra_: I semi-posted my chess engine to Ubuntu Phone
[15:29] <vibhav> Ported *
[15:29] <ogra_> so another half app
[15:29] <brian_> n00b_dust, but I want to do this on my Note2 screen
[15:29] <ogra_> you two should work together and make it one
[15:29] <n00b_dust> brian_, yeah then you need a software like Teamviewer or VNC.
[15:29] <SailorMoon> i was promised Ubuntu for Tablet would run any ubuntu app, was i lied to?
[15:29] <kknikolas> ogra_: i actually did. during our conversation ^
[15:29] <brian_> I'm dloading teamviewer now
[15:30] <jbooth> I have an app I'm stuck on because my desktop doesn't have an accelerometer, and I'm trying to tie into that at this point. I won't say it is a useful app but hey.
[15:30] <SailorMoon> TeamViewer is the least complex, they handle the connections for you
[15:30] <n00b_dust> brian_, you'll need to install Teamviewer on both the devices and make sure they're connected to the internet
[15:30] <ogra_> SailorMoon, who promised that ? an older man with candy ?
[15:30] <ogra_> dont listen to these !
[15:30] <SailorMoon> ogra_: the ubuntu guy
[15:30] <SailorMoon> ogra_: i dont think he had candy
[15:30] <Tassadar> but they have candyyyy!
[15:30] <ogra_> frank ubuntu or jim ubuntu ?
[15:30] <brian_> n00b_dust, can they be connected via bluetooth?
[15:30] <SailorMoon> ogra_: the one going bald..? Lol i dunno
[15:30] <n00b_dust> SailorMoon: did they say they had more candy in the back of the van? :P
[15:30] <SailorMoon> With the british accent
[15:31] <Tak> x11vnc is pretty straightforward...
[15:31] <kknikolas> i refresh the touchinstallprogress website evrey 5 seconds
[15:31] <darthmuffins> kknikolas: me too
[15:31] <n00b_dust> brian_ Bluetooth transfer rate is way too slow, you wouldn't be able to transfer so much data that way
[15:31] <SailorMoon> Bluetooth lol
[15:31] <kknikolas> darthmuffins: and also i subscribed to that page
[15:31] <brian_> n00b_dust, what about via usb cable?
[15:32] <darthmuffins> kknikolas: ditto :)
[15:32] <jbooth> xda had a note it was going to be released 4pm GMT, so ~30 minutes from now.
[15:32] <n00b_dust> brian_ Use a VNC client. and enable wifi tethering on your laptop to keep both devices on same network
[15:32] <kknikolas> i was up today on 00:00 London Time
[15:32] <ogra_> jbooth, nah, we dont release at GMT times, onlt at UTC
[15:32] <ogra_> *only
[15:33] <kyler084> lol any specific time ?
[15:33] <n00b_dust> brian_ This might be a stupid question but what can your macbook do that your Note 2 can't? :P
[15:33] <SailorMoon> n00b_dust: ive always had trouble with thos adhoc networks on Android
[15:34] <ogra_> sure, the time we release will have an hour, a minute and a second ... each being very specific
[15:34] <nbf> I have a Note 10.1 and I love it
[15:34] <nbf> but it's much more limited than a desktop (on purpose)
[15:34] <kyler084> orga_, ahaha
[15:34] <Tassadar> so, soon
[15:34] <Tassadar> (c)
[15:34] <n00b_dust> SailorMoon, yeah, thats why I asked him to create an adhoc from his macbook. adhoc from phone will drain his battery fast
[15:34] <SailorMoon> i mean connect to adhoc networks
[15:34] <brian_> n00b_dust, I don't know (yet) what a VNC client is but I think you've given me enough info to start with. Thanks
[15:34] <SailorMoon> Iv enever succeeded on any of my android devices
[15:35] <jbooth> orga_ that's good, I don't like it when time is mean. Or even average. I'd rather time be nice.
[15:35] <kknikolas> jbooth: can u give me the link?
[15:35] <n00b_dust> brian_ get an android vnc viewer (or something similar named app) on your note. Ubuntu already has VNC server on it, but disabled by default if i'm not mistaken
[15:35] <ogra_> jbooth, :)
[15:36] <jbooth> kknikolas: not conveniently, I'm afraid. Search xda forums for ubuntu, its in the top-3 hits from yesterday.
[15:36] <kknikolas> jbooth: ty got it
[15:36] <n00b_dust> SailorMoon, I've never had a problem with any of those. Though sometimes my laptop gives me troubles with WPA/WPA2 connections, no matter what OS I use. Its strange
[15:37] <brian_> n00b_dust, sorry, just saw your question. Well, the MacBook cannot fit in the palm of my hand. I sometimes travel for hours by crowded train (I currently live in China) and don't have enough elbow room to use a laptop. So, I thought if I could power-up my laptop and leave it in the bag, using the Note 2 , with the stylist, I could do whatever I want on my laptop through the Note screen.
[15:37] <SailorMoon> 143MB audio driver? for reals!?
[15:38] <n00b_dust> brian_ No what i meant to ask was, what app do you've on your macbook that doesn't have an alternative on your note 2?
[15:38] <brian_> Libreoffice
[15:38] <brian_> Scribus
[15:38] <Herp> Anyone in here has an idea /when/ the dev preview will be released?
[15:39] <robin-gloster_> ogra_ your responses are awesome :)
[15:39] <nbf> any minute
[15:39] <kknikolas> http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/18y9ij/when_this_post_is_3_hours_old_canonical_will/
[15:39] <Herp> i have this "any minute" feel since 24:00 yesterday :3
[15:39] <k1l> Herp: in the evening time
[15:39] <stylemistake> Herp: tomorrow it will be released with 99.9% probability :)
[15:39] <k1l> like every release since ages
[15:40] <kknikolas> Herp: me2
[15:40] <stylemistake> *will have been
[15:40] <nbf> anyone know if it will support desktop mode with this release?
[15:40] <SailorMoon> i was told no, nbf
[15:40] <nbf> it seems like that's the killer feature
[15:40] <brian_> n00b_dust, I'd also like to access all the files I have on my MacBook. Or simply watch a movie.
[15:40] <Herp> sorry i never was excitied about any ubuntu release like this time, so i have no idea how they normally do it. thx for clearing this out (and the reddit link)
[15:40] <nbf> oh that sucks
[15:40] <nbf> that's the main draw
[15:40] <nbf> they should just call this release "not android"
[15:40] <SailorMoon> it's a developer preview
[15:40] <SailorMoon> not a release
[15:40] <n00b_dust> brian_ Yeah, VNC can do all that for you.
[15:41] <nbf> well they are releasing stuff
[15:41] <nbf> so it's a release
[15:41] <nbf> it's just not a stable release
[15:41] <kyler084> lol
[15:41] <SailorMoon> theyre creating it so people develop for the new Interface
[15:41] <Herp> thats what i want ;)
[15:41] <n00b_dust> Will the stable release come out with the 13.04 final release?
[15:41] <stylemistake> the first thing i will port to ubuntu phone is MINECRAFT
[15:41] <SailorMoon> no
[15:41] <SailorMoon> stable comes out 14.04
[15:41] <MostHated> wtf "Twitter user @stroughtonsmith claims that "Ubuntu Phone chroots & boots a QML shell on top of a CyanogenMod core OS sans Android UI"."
[15:41] <brian_> n00b_dust, thanks, I'll give it a try. Play Store android-vnc-viewer looks promising
[15:41] <nbf> it's hard to imagine that they aren't going to include a desktop mode
[15:41] <nbf> considering they had it working for the atrix?
[15:42] <SailorMoon> nbf: Like i said, i havnt used it, ive only been told no
[15:42] <lilstevie> MostHated, eh from what I saw in the leaked image not so much
[15:42] <nbf> but if they don't, it makes me glad I didn't buy a nexus 4 (I was planning on getting one for testing)
[15:42] <kyler084> where is this leaked image !!?
[15:42] <Hairo> Any other existing android device is being planned?
[15:42] <lilstevie> MostHated, there is an android component there, but that is more for bionic/libhybris
[15:42] <MostHated> i see
[15:42] <n00b_dust> nbf, I'm guessing most of the apps on it aren't ready for the dual interface.
[15:42] <MostHated> "A build.prop file found in the image seems to lend support to this rumour"
[15:42] <SailorMoon> you want desktop mode on a 4 inch phone? i dont think the yeven plan on including desktop mode of phones, ever
[15:42] <nbf> ...
[15:43] <ogra_> nbf, it will be there eventually, just not in the first images
[15:43] <MostHated> hopefully that is not what it is : \
[15:43] <nbf> you plug the slimport into your display with usb keyboard/mouse
[15:43] <nbf> instance desktop
[15:43] <nbf> *instant desktop
[15:43] <SailorMoon> oh, they might do that
[15:43] <SailorMoon> i always forget about that, ive never had a device  with an hdmi port
[15:43] <nbf> that was the Ubuntu For Android's killer app on the atrix
[15:43] <stylemistake> nbf: you underrate the nexus 4
[15:43] <nbf> I didn't say that because of the nexus 4
[15:43] <lilstevie> MostHated, the process branches off to ubuntu reasonably early
[15:44] <nbf> but because desktop mode was the main ability I wanted
[15:44] <n00b_dust> SailorMoon, get an HDMI -> VGA converter then. Those exist I believe
[15:44] <jbooth> resolution on the 4" phone >> 13" laptop. Just mount it on a hat close to your eyes.
[15:44] <nbf> and if it's not there, then I have no reason to buy the nexus 4 (other than it's a sweet smartphone but I already have one of those ;)
[15:44] <SailorMoon> lol
[15:44] <SailorMoon> I have terrible vision :P
[15:45] <kknikolas> i think if the release is in 15 minutes i'm going to destroy my f5 key
[15:45] <MostHated> aparently according to reddit, the images should be released in 15 minutes
[15:45] <kyler084> lol
[15:45] <MostHated> ah ^
[15:45] <MostHated> what he said
[15:45] <ogra_> nbf, sure you do, you can tell us how you would like it to work and help testing it while its being implemented
[15:46] <SailorMoon> i destroy my F5 key every time the clock nears :00
[15:46] <netcurli> https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/304616479016484864
[15:46] <Hairo> kknikolas, try the autoreload addon for fiirefox
[15:46] <nbf> I'm not going to drop $300 bucks to test a mobile platform that's inferior to android
[15:46] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: i can merge all the APLv2 stuff without big problem, but we might have to work a bit to make things work with the new different egl window system implementations
[15:46] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: you can have your lgplv3 bits externally but the bits in particular could co-exist in tree
[15:46] <nbf> if it was innovative I would consider it
[15:46] <lilstevie> nbf, android is the inferior product here
[15:46] <kknikolas> ogra_: so here the half web app <3 http://nikolask.de/notice
[15:46] <stylemistake> SailorMoon: then you need 15 keyboards to destroy
[15:46] <nbf> so hopefully we see desktop mode :)
[15:47] <nbf> that's silly
[15:47] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: libhardware being lgplv3 looks a bit funky since the original one was apl, to my knowledge
[15:47] <nbf> android has been through a few iteration cycles, ubuntu phone is an alpha product right now
[15:47] <nbf> ubuntu phone could be great but android is definitely better at the moment
[15:47] <ogra_> kknikolas, awesome !
[15:47] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: right, we can change as well, we just put our stuff as l/gplv3 as that's our default license
[15:47] <lilstevie> nbf, if you say so, android is pure crap for a lot of things
[15:47] <kknikolas> ogra_: tried to use ubuntu phone design
[15:48] <nbf> lilstevie: cool story bro
[15:48] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: we'll be cleaning it up to make sure we don't break the other usage as well of it
[15:48] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: people moved things around using just make for some unknown reason, so need to move that as well
[15:48] <stylemistake> nbf: ubuntu phone has less generic marketing issues than windows phone
[15:48]  * ogra_ sectrely hands kknikolas a release under the desk
[15:48] <lilstevie> nbf, for starters android permissions system
[15:48] <MostHated> boo "#Ubuntu Touch Developer Preview code released soon for developers' spare devices. Not consumer ready just yet!"
[15:48] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: besides that, things look good
[15:48] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: and I know that one wrong hook function might break things around
[15:48] <Hairo> i hope the xda guys get these images to work on other devices
[15:48] <MostHated> wish i had a "spare" nexus 4 instead of my only..
[15:48]  * Tak also
[15:49] <davidoffbeat> Does desktop mode require an ubuntu desktop?
[15:49] <nbf> I wonder if they have an x86 version that will run in virtualbox
[15:49] <MostHated> maybe they can port it to my "spare" evo 3d i dont use
[15:49] <ogra_> MostHated, you are kind of focused on the bad news, are you ?
[15:49] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: i'm in denmark for the next week or so, when i'm back we can look more constructively at it
[15:49] <stylemistake> i hope HD2 is the first to get a port
[15:49]  * Tak perk up @ mention of dk
[15:49] <Hairo> nbf, that would be vary nice to test out
[15:49] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: cool, sure
[15:49] <kknikolas> ogra_: that's why i love webapps. u can release them in 2s
[15:49] <MostHated> well, yes. the bad news is that it seems it is not usable really for someone who needs their phone for phone things
[15:50] <kyler084> the second the preview goes live, expect a port for htc desire within 2 hours !!
[15:50] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: i'm not terribly convinced of the lgplv3 there, if we really want to make a dent in android's advantage, we'd give everybody a good reason to use it
[15:50] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: ie, something like aplv2, but, that's a deeper discussion
[15:50] <ogra_> MostHated, and the words "developer preview" didnt kind of indicate that for you ?
[15:50] <timhansen> lol
[15:50] <Hairo> i have a spare atrix that would like to try this
[15:50] <Herp> cant i call people with it? O_o
[15:50] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: yeah, v3 is compatible with aplv2, but I know it's tricky
[15:50] <kknikolas> Herp: yes
[15:50] <Tak> to be fair, there are different interpretations of "developer preview"
[15:51] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: yep
[15:51] <rsalveti> we can move ours to aplv2 if needed, lets discuss that more later :-)
[15:51] <rsalveti> open to suggestions
[15:51] <Stskeeps> :nod:
[15:51] <Hairo> great
[15:51] <nagu> Orga... like to know image status.. still waiting.. :(
[15:51] <Herp> thats not nice, i usually use my nexus as main phone :3
[15:51] <Hairo> Building?
[15:51] <kyler084> my fingers starting to hurt pressing f5
[15:51] <Hairo> do you even auto reload?
[15:52] <quadomatic> Everyone backup their phones yet?
[15:52] <kyler084> yh
[15:52] <kknikolas> kyler084: i should write me a bot for that
[15:52] <wait4phone> yep
[15:52] <Tassadar> don't you wanna just get DDoS bot instead of doing it manually? .)
[15:52] <benkaiser> dpm: when is the touch install process info going live? Its the 22nd of Feb here in Australia
[15:52] <kknikolas> quadomatic: yep. 6 hours ago ^
[15:52] <wait4phone> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[15:52] <quadomatic> mine's backing up now, I wish I remembered to do this sooner
[15:52] <wait4phone> wait
[15:52] <dpm> benkaiser, please be patient, not everyone lives in Australia :)
[15:53] <nbf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:53]  * F41L shakes fist
[15:53] <n00b_dust> wait4phone's link is a bit messed up, or is it my browser cache?
[15:54] <nbf> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[15:54] <Herp> its coming *O*
[15:54] <bobweaver> Still not released ? 😲😲😲😲😲😲 ?
[15:54] <F41L> https. n00b_dust
[15:54] <Hairo> i'm limited to an lg nitro hd, a moto defy and an atrix, no nexus :(
[15:54] <Eax> Does calling / texting work?
[15:54] <F41L> calling is reported to work.
[15:54] <wait4phone> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch says last updated 4 min ago and looks broken, but links to the usual https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:54] <F41L> I don't know about GSM data.
[15:54] <ogra_> bobweaver, we waited just for you
[15:54] <F41L> Which would really suck if it didn't
[15:55] <Eax> F41L, ok - thanks :) Time will tell I guess! 5 minutes time :P
[15:55] <bobweaver> ogra_,  lol
[15:55] <wait4phone> Release notes! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[15:55] <n00b_dust> Gather around, everyone. Its time to cut the cake :P
[15:55] <kknikolas> gsm = utc right?
[15:55] <F41L> hmm
[15:55] <nbf> I assume the android base is probably for future app compatibility?
[15:56] <F41L> This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates.
[15:56] <Avedo> nbf: No
[15:56] <Hairo> aparently they're going to make a guide on porting it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[15:56] <lilstevie> kknikolas, no, gsm is a mobile communications spec
[15:56] <kyler084> yep
[15:56] <mainerror> Hairo: YAY!
[15:56] <Hairo> it's just a placeholder
[15:56] <Hairo> by now
[15:56] <kknikolas> lilstevie: ah ok. all i need is the time we have @home
[15:57] <wait4phone> release notes, Nexus 4 section: In rare circumstances, the Nexus4 may get into a state where it may not boot at all after the battery is drained ( even into recovery ). If this happens, the only way to restore it is to disassemble the back of the phone and unplug/plug the battery connector.
[15:57] <Eax> "Mobile data is not supported, data is available via Wi-Fi only.
[15:57] <Eax> "
[15:57] <F41L> nnnnooooooo
[15:57] <Yugge> Well, It's got sms and phone over GSM, that's good enough for me. :)
[15:57] <F41L> *darth vader no*
[15:58] <nbf> yep so no desktop mode
[15:58] <nbf> epic fail
[15:58] <lilstevie> not really
[15:58] <ogra_> huh ?
[15:58] <lilstevie> desktop mode on a screen that small is not friendly
[15:58] <nbf> did you eat paint chips as a kid
[15:58]  * wait4phone is lucky to have Galaxy Nexus
[15:58] <mainerror> nbf: How's that an epic fail? I mean it is a *developer preview* ...
[15:58] <quadomatic> lol no mms or mobile data? Probably shouldn't install then...
[15:59] <wastrel> nbf don't be a poop
[15:59] <nbf> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[15:59] <Hairo> hangout tomorrow for porting at 15:00 UTC
[15:59] <kknikolas> 1 minute!!!
[15:59]  * tbgconnor is hoping that ubuntu phone is not just an android skin
[15:59] <nbf> ^^ ubuntu for android desktop mode
[15:59] <rsalveti> Hairo: we're working on the porting guide at this moment :-)
[15:59] <om26er> tbgconnor, its definitely not ;)
[15:59] <sergiusens> tbgconnor: it's not an android skin
[15:59] <lilstevie> nbf, and you expect an early preview to have the full desktop convergence
[15:59] <tbgconnor> ok good
[15:59] <nbf> did you not see my link
[15:59] <brian_> n00b_dust, I was just thinking, I'd rather control my MacBook by Note2 via usb cable. Is this possible?
[15:59] <Hairo> rsalveti, THANKS!!
[15:59] <sergiusens> tbgconnor: but it is a preview
[15:59] <nathris> just deleted my entire local storage thanks to an mtp bug, its a good start
[15:59] <bobweaver> work on the "Checking out the source code " Link j/k
[15:59] <nbf> they've worked on that for a long time (assuming it was ever real and not vaporware)
[16:00] <tbgconnor> well, I understand that the functionality will be limited due to that fact
[16:00] <wastrel> ubuntu for android is not the same as ubuntu phone
[16:00] <F41L> lilstevie, obviously we have hdmi cables to connect to an appropriate sized monitor >.>
[16:00] <smartboyhw> Time is up now....
[16:00] <lilstevie> nbf, I did see your link, that is an entirely different product
[16:00] <nbf> slimport you moron
[16:00] <mainerror> nbf: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems
[16:00] <nbf> it's basically mini displayport
[16:00] <nathris> F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5
[16:00] <nbf> you get usb and video (and audio)
[16:00] <bobweaver> nathris,  lol
[16:00] <guest1__> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/
[16:00] <n00b_dust> brian_ I don't think so.  I emailed canonical about it ages ago, never got a response
[16:01] <oneadvent> ok i've waited like you asked, go ahead and release it now
[16:01]  * ogra_ is still syncing, give it a minute
[16:01] <stylemistake> they say, apps are native
[16:01] <oneadvent> ogra_: DO IT
[16:01] <kyler084> !!!!
[16:01] <kyler084> 4pm
[16:01] <tbgconnor> as native as java
[16:01] <tbgconnor> lol
[16:01] <lilstevie> wow that nbf guy was a real moron
[16:01] <oneadvent> 4pm????
[16:01] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:01] <lilstevie> and rude
[16:01] <kknikolas> 4pm 1 minute !!!!
[16:01] <smartboyhw> popey, is the wiki updated?
[16:02] <oneadvent> what is this about 4pm?
[16:02] <popey> patience
[16:02] <kknikolas> we do a ddos attack here ^^
[16:02] <timhansen> HAHAHA
[16:02] <mhall119> it's coming, just be patient
[16:02] <timhansen> -caps
[16:02] <oneadvent> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess
[16:02] <timhansen> that's what she said
[16:02] <F41L> Internal Server Error
[16:02] <rsalveti> syncing now
[16:02] <F41L> yes!
[16:02] <oneadvent> everyone f5 all at once
[16:02] <oneadvent> 3
[16:02] <oneadvent> 2
[16:02] <oneadvent> 1
[16:02] <mhall119> stop breaking the wiki!
[16:02] <oneadvent> omg that loaded so much slower
[16:02] <Yugge> :D
[16:02] <F41L> lol
[16:02] <oneadvent> hahaha coordinated
[16:02] <kknikolas> yes
[16:02] <tilal6991> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/
[16:02] <timhansen> uhm wut
[16:02] <timhansen> lol 500 error
[16:02] <F41L> AMG
[16:02] <tbgconnor> we ddosed it
[16:02] <tbgconnor> we all f5'ed
[16:03] <smartboyhw> After refresh after 500 error still that page
[16:03] <timhansen> were we trying to do that?
[16:03] <timhansen> hahaha
[16:03] <lilstevie> tilal6991, as in the xda one with xperia stuff? :p
[16:03] <bobweaver> mhall119,  lay the ban hammer on the ip
[16:03] <popey> Well done you. I hope your parents are proud.
[16:03] <oneadvent> :D
[16:03] <smartboyhw> LOL
[16:03] <mhall119> getting a 500 error on the wiki is like getting wet in the rain
[16:03] <stylemistake> haha
[16:03] <F41L> lol
[16:03] <ogra_> go wild guys !
[16:03] <stylemistake> we killed the server
[16:03] <F41L> on what?
[16:03] <tbgconnor> we're all still f5ing
[16:03] <F41L> what page!!!
[16:03] <oneadvent> is this where we should go now? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/
[16:03] <tbgconnor> it's back,.
[16:04] <mhall119> oneadvent: no
[16:04] <minsikcho> why isn't coming...
[16:04] <oneadvent> ok
[16:04] <Neko> mwc demo then, to instal it ?
[16:04] <smartboyhw> ogra_, go wild. But how to install eh?
[16:04] <mhall119> no
[16:04] <tbgconnor> somebody needs to sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[16:04] <tbgconnor> lol
[16:04] <kknikolas> oneadvent: i dont undestand it
[16:04] <nagu> lol
[16:04] <mhall119> the installer will pull images from there automatically, you need to wait for the installer
[16:04]  * smartboyhw still finds the page not updated
[16:04] <oneadvent> what language is the ubuntu.com written in
[16:04] <timhansen> ogra_: ?
[16:04] <F41L> no no no, sudo services httpd restart
[16:04] <wait4phone> I'm downloading the 3 files containing maguro from that link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/
[16:04]  * tbgconnor is getting impatient here
[16:04] <wait4phone> Is that it?
[16:04] <smartboyhw> mhall119, OK I will find it on LP:{
[16:04] <mhall119> oneadvent: vb.net
[16:04] <netcurli> :D
[16:04] <oneadvent> haha mhall119 prolly
[16:04] <wait4phone> lol
[16:05] <ogra_> popey, can you put the wiki link in the topic ?
[16:05] <kyler084> downloading image now
[16:05] <Hairo> lol
[16:05] <Andy80> jppiiroi1en, I haven't finished building QtCreator yet :( still lot of missing libs: http://pastebin.com/Lb6x7tKj
[16:05] <oneadvent> Internal Server Error
[16:05] <nagu> Orga.. give us update..
[16:05] <nagu> :(
[16:05] <F41L> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:05] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:05] <oneadvent> Andy80: i dont think people are supposed to have it
[16:05] <stylemistake> hooraY
[16:06] <tbgconnor> so, are we going to install this using android recovery?
[16:06] <tbgconnor> or with fastboot?
[16:06] <bobweaver> popey,  I was right it was the manhattan project  .... +1 for bobweaver
[16:06] <cool_> Website is up with instructions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:06] <Andy80> oneadvent, what?
[16:06] <timhansen> yay
[16:06] <wait4phone> Come back on the 21st for detailed installation instructions and more
[16:06]  * timhansen cheers
[16:06] <smartboyhw> Hmm https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview is a nice page
[16:06] <kyler084> 500 error internal server error
[16:06] <kknikolas> i cant acces wiki -.-
[16:06] <kyler084> come on guys dont hammer it
[16:06] <vibhav> where is the source?
[16:07] <kknikolas> ok lets all stop f5
[16:07] <rsalveti> vibhav: coming in a bit
[16:07] <oneadvent> so wait no cdma?
[16:07] <vibhav> Whohoo
[16:07] <rsalveti> oneadvent: not at this moment
[16:07] <sergiusens> oneadvent: no cdma
[16:07] <oneadvent> omg
[16:07] <StZ> This is only a developer preview. Don't expect everything to work.
[16:07] <rsalveti> not cdma and no lte yet
[16:07] <oneadvent> i waited all day, but i'm on verizon, so i can't even use it :(
[16:07] <rsalveti> *yet* :-)
[16:07] <sergiusens> oneadvent: it's a preview, it will come
[16:08] <Neko> So, I need to use ubuntu to install it ):
[16:08] <tbgconnor> yay for installation directions!
[16:08] <sergiusens> Neko: not necessarily
[16:08] <tbgconnor> i'm out'
[16:08] <rsalveti> Neko: I'd say so
[16:08] <nagu> Finally its happened
[16:08] <kaleo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ah ah ah
[16:08] <oneadvent> :( well that was a waste of a day. guess next round then
[16:08] <nagu> booting now..
[16:08] <nagu> :)
[16:08] <nathris> oneadvent: i figured you'd be used to not getting updates then
[16:08] <wait4phone> yeah!!!!!!!!
[16:08] <kknikolas> @admins make some references to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:08] <meetingology> kknikolas: Error: "admins" is not a valid command.
[16:08] <rsalveti> oneadvent: depending on the device you can still flash to see the ui and such
[16:08] <Brad_> Heyy
[16:08] <rsalveti> oneadvent: just the radio that will not work
[16:08] <rsalveti> I know, phone without a phone working doesnt make much sense
[16:08] <oneadvent> yea but the site doesn't make it clear if it will overwrite clockwork backups
[16:08] <rsalveti> but still, in case you want to give it a try and develop apps for it
[16:09] <kknikolas> admins make some references to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:09] <smartboyhw> The page is here!!!
[16:09] <kknikolas> yes
[16:10]  * Tak => known issues
[16:10] <lk11235> components of ubuntu touch can be run on the z10, does anyone know if the full ubuntu phone OS can be adapted for the Z10?
[16:10] <lool> FYI folks mwc-demo for phablet builds is out and announced; wiki going down  ;-)
[16:10] <Tak> hmm, what's "limited voice and sms"
[16:10] <SailorMoon> i cant access wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[16:10] <SailorMoon> or even the wiki itself
[16:10] <SailorMoon> "Internal Server Error"
[16:10] <sergiusens> Tak: as in don't expect 5 NINES or anything like that
[16:11] <smartboyhw> Release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[16:11] <Tak> I'm not even sure what that means
[16:11] <SailorMoon> can someone upload it for me?
[16:11] <Andy80> bzoltan, do you have any idea how can I find those missing libs http://pastebin.com/Lb6x7tKj ?
[16:11] <SailorMoon> cant access the wiki
[16:11] <sergiusens> Tak: it's not targetted for end users wanting an everyday phone... I guess that's what it means
[16:11] <smartboyhw> The Ubuntu Phone Porting guide will be released tmr\
[16:11] <wait4phone> I don't get it. Where is the download?
[16:11] <NAM_killer> Tak - essentially don't expect all features to work - this is a preview for developers, not even a preview for end users
[16:12] <kknikolas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:12] <kknikolas> wait4phone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:12] <Tak> unfortunately, I'm a developer who needs to use his phone when not developing
[16:12] <lk11235> you can also try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[16:12] <wait4phone> that's instructions not download
[16:12] <lk11235> scroll down, you can download the image
[16:12] <NAM_killer> if you are a dev then why dont you have two phones?
[16:12]  * Tak blink
[16:12] <nathris> the install script overwrites your recovery
[16:13] <NAM_killer> it would make your life much easier
[16:13] <Tak> I have two phones, but the nice one is for using
[16:13] <robin-gloster_> ogra_ do i need android on my nexus7? ubuntu on it won't work?
[16:13] <sergiusens> nathris: yes
[16:13] <NAM_killer> that is a sacrifice you may have to make ;)
[16:13] <ogra_> robin-gloster_, yeah, the installer neeeds adb
[16:14] <wait4phone> Instructions say to apt-get something and I'm not even on Ubuntu:(
[16:14] <wait4phone> Where is the download link?
[16:14] <oneadvent> wait4phone: get on ubuntu
[16:14] <Herp> nakasi or nakasig O_O
[16:14] <robin-gloster_> hmpf^^
[16:14] <Guest65296> hi when is the developer preview for ubuntu phone going to be released
[16:14] <Great_Day> wait4phone: you need to be on ubuntu
[16:14] <Tak> no, that's actually a sacrifice I won't be making
[16:14] <sergiusens> wait4phone: if you know how to flash manually you can do it too
[16:14] <dcope> So was the restore image released today?
[16:14] <SailorMoon> Thats freaking dumb
[16:14] <smartboyhw> Guest33604, it IS released:P
[16:14] <Tak> Guest33604:  3 minutes ago
[16:14] <sergiusens> wait4phone: just need the right files
[16:14] <kyler084> ITS ALREADY RELEASED, check the wiki
[16:14] <SailorMoon> someone install and it and dump it since Ubuntu is so incompetent
[16:14] <wait4phone> I know how to flash manually, I need the files
[16:14] <smartboyhw> robin-gloster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:14] <oneadvent> i'm doing it anyway just for the fucks sake of it
[16:14] <oneadvent> i'll let you all know if recovery stuff stays
[16:14] <nathris> http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb
[16:15] <sergiusens> wait4phone: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/
[16:15] <Copephobia> Any chance of CDMA drivers for the Verizon variant on this?
[16:15] <GabMus_mobile> hello
[16:15] <GabMus_mobile> finally we got it :D
[16:15] <oneadvent> Copephobia: no, i'm in the same boat
[16:15] <robin-gloster_> smartboyhw i saw that but that doesn't say it requires android i just wanted confirmation
[16:15] <oneadvent> actually my phone wont even recognize i dont think i can try it
[16:15] <NAM_killer> Tak - then you will have to wait to install it i guess...
[16:16] <smartboyhw> robin-gloster, don't you have?
[16:16] <Tak> I certainly will
[16:16] <GabMus_mobile> where is the nexus 4 binary?
[16:16] <kyler084> when is the porting guide coming online ??
[16:16] <kyler084> ?
[16:16] <smartboyhw> kyler084, tmr
[16:16] <SailorMoon> Where are the downloads to the boot image and the userdata image?
[16:16] <smartboyhw> Read the wiki
[16:16] <rsalveti> kyler084: in a few
[16:16] <kyler084> smartboyhw okay
[16:17] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[16:17] <Hairo> kyler084, they said before that they're working on it
[16:17] <kyler084> okay so someone says tommorow and some say in a few ??? correct please ?
[16:17] <kyler084> okay
[16:17] <Touhou11> Are there are any companies confirmed as selling Ubuntu phone?
[16:17] <oneadvent> yea and adb finds it
[16:17] <Guest65296> a zip fioe would have been nice :)
[16:17] <lk11235> anyone else here waiting for a N1 port?
[16:17] <oneadvent> so it actually blocks cdma phones from trying it
[16:17] <Herp> takju or yakju ?
[16:18] <napster> Released?
[16:18] <SailorMoon> Where are the actual images?
[16:18] <Herp> i think i have maguro?
[16:18] <kyler084> yes
[16:18] <napster> ah great!
[16:18] <napster> Did you guys started? I have a gnex here.
[16:19] <napster> *start
[16:19] <jbooth> The setup scripts pull the images themselves, so dling separately isn't a huge win.
[16:19] <helicopter88> am I dumb or I can't find anywhere source code?