[00:05] <punkrockguy318> do the proprietary nvidia drivers work in jaunty yet?
[00:06] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:06] <RAOF> They have for some time.
[00:06] <RAOF> Oh.  Depending on what card you have, obviously(!).
[00:06] <punkrockguy318> RAOF:awesome, thanks
[00:06] <RAOF> GeForce 6+ cards have been supported for some time.
[00:09] <charlie-tca> They worked on my old GeForce 2 today
[00:58] <Kuaera> Are there any noted problems with network-manager or network-manager-kde lately?
[00:59] <maco> i cnat connect to wpa with n-m
[00:59] <maco> knm is fine
[00:59] <Kuaera> Odd. For some reason, the taskbar icon for KNM is missing for me
[01:04] <dtchen> are you running current 9.04?
[01:04] <dtchen> plasmoid-network-manager will supplant knetworkmanager eventually
[01:05] <dtchen> tonio has an upload of the latter that fixes some UI regressions i identified
[01:05] <dtchen> and - you can still invoke knetworkmanager manually
[01:22] <johnjohn101> is alpha 4 going to be out tomorrow?
[03:56] <lamalex> Hi, I can't mount any media on jaunty, I think HAL is giving bad mount flags
[03:56] <lamalex> how can I debug this?
[05:45] <xsg> HI guys
[08:59] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[09:00] <zniavre> i treid few weeks ago jaunty but i got old graphic card (nvidia fx5500) and drivers for this card did not work
[09:00] <zniavre> is it  different now ?
[09:00] <zniavre> tried *
[09:14] <fosco_> you can get nvidia accelerated opengl with a little of xorg.conf editing
[09:15] <zniavre> the abi stuff?
[09:15] <fosco_> yes
[09:16] <zniavre> this good if you can at least install the driver but i few weeks ago it was impossible i should use 173 .xx.xx
[09:16] <zniavre> -i
[09:17] <zniavre> i was wondering if today this driver is working or a least possible to install?
[09:17] <fosco_> not sure, i'm using 180 with a GeForce8600gt
[09:19] <zniavre> ok thank you
[09:19] <zniavre> im downloading .iso
[09:20] <fosco_> alpha4 is released today or so
[09:20] <fosco_> maybe you can wait
[09:21] <zniavre> the daily is something really close no?
[09:21] <fosco_> similar, but not the same
[09:22] <zniavre> ok
[09:24] <zniavre> i canceled transfert and wait for a4   thank you
[09:32] <Koheleth> !ati
[12:06] <corigo3> Is there any way to add Jaunty Jackalope repositories so I can install go-OO 3.01, and then remove them?
[12:07] <corigo3> go-oo hasn't updated their binaries so I can't get a deb file from their site
[12:17] <mophiax> Is it true that alpha 4 is going to be released today? When can we expect it ?
[12:28] <fosco_> corigo3: no, you'd better use intrepid repositories
[12:47] <loic-m> corigo3: there should be ppa (personnal) repositories for OO 3 on Intrepid, I can't remember but if you google it you can find them
[12:47] <loic-m> corigo3: something like that in synaptic (or edit /etc/apt/sources.list) : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[12:47] <loic-m> no guaranty, I didn't test them
[12:49] <gnomefreak> its default in jaunty
[13:10] <tgpraveen> is alpha 4 out?
[13:14] <tgpraveen> ??
[13:22] <fosco_> not yet
[13:25] <tgpraveen> fosco_: ok any idea what new features are expected?
[13:25] <fosco_> no, i'm just waiting to test
[13:39] <gnomefreak> tgpraveen: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha3
[13:40] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview is also good place
[13:42] <tgpraveen> gnomefreak: no man I just wanted to know what is new in alpha 4 as compared to alpha 3?
[13:42] <gnomefreak> tgpraveen: last link i gave you
[13:43] <tgpraveen> oh ok.thx will check it out
[13:45] <gnomefreak> tgpraveen: subscribe to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and you will get announcements
[13:45] <tgpraveen> to people who are using the alpha 4 as there are no screenshots provided I wanted to ask whether the notifications look like the animation seen on mark's blog
[13:45] <tgpraveen> gnomefreak: good idea I might do tha
[13:45] <tgpraveen> that
[13:45] <fosco_> tgpraveen: no
[13:45] <tgpraveen> :-(
[13:45] <tgpraveen> oh well maybe next time
[13:46] <tgpraveen> next release
[13:46] <fosco_> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rgO8m__aY7g/SXJH3xzoZMI/AAAAAAAABQk/wbot6Ak-Ec4/s400/notificaciones_jaunty.jpg <- they look like this
[13:47] <binarymutant> has ruby been uploaded to the Jaunty repos?
[13:48] <gnomefreak> Installed: 4.2
[13:48] <gnomefreak> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
[13:51] <tgpraveen> fosco_: man that is really looking bad as compared to the mockup animation it just looks like the one which we currently have
[13:51] <tgpraveen> hope they don't leave it as it is till the end
[13:52] <fosco_> yes, dveleopment is in progress
[13:52] <fosco_> take a look here if you want more info http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[13:59] <tgpraveen> fosco_: yeah already seen that
[14:05] <gourgi1> is alpha 4 out ?
[14:07] <tgpraveen> gourgi1: yeas
[14:07] <tgpraveen> I found this comment and marks reply to it intresting
[14:07] <tgpraveen> it tells us a lot aabout what to expect in the final version
[14:07] <tgpraveen> Actions and ability to close the notification are useful features. Situations where actions would be helpful:
[14:07] <tgpraveen> -Receive an email notification, click to read it.
[14:07] <tgpraveen> -IM chat invitation or voip call, click to converse.
[14:07] <tgpraveen> -Someone connects via bluetooth, click to browse files.
[14:07] <tgpraveen> -Network connection goes down, click for help resolving it Most of these actions could be omitted from the notification and put in a tray icon menu, but is that really intuitive? I think most users (particularly those form a windows background) would tend to click on the notification before looking under a tray icon menu.
[14:07] <tgpraveen> I agree that these notifications should automatically close after a given period of time. However removing the functionality to dismiss and react to notifications is just dumbing things down. Basically leave things the way they are and I’ll be happy. Mark Shuttleworth says: Thank you for this list of use cases, it’s very useful! At the moment, we plan to make *all* of those action possible through the panel, with a linkage from notifications to the
[14:10] <tgpraveen> another intresting comment was where mark has agreed that due to strong feedback all notification will be logged
[14:10] <tgpraveen> so that people can review it ltr
[14:14] <gourgi1> tgpraveen is it really A4 released ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/  ???
[14:14] <tgpraveen> : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[14:15] <gourgi1> tgpraveen ok ty
[14:16] <tgpraveen> welcome
[14:16] <fosco_> not available for download
[14:16] <charlie-tca> No official release yet
[14:19] <Oli``> Not sure if it's a JJ thing but I can't appear to move my panels =\
[14:19] <avis> can i test jaunty from intrepid on a laptop while connected to the internet ?  i tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, didn't seem to do much.  do i need to update /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[14:19] <Oli``> Which is a bit of a problem for me as I've now got two stacked up from upgrading (twinview turning into clone-mode)
[14:19] <gourgi1> A4 known issues are the same since A3 plus some bugs between A3 and A4 !
[14:20] <fosco_> Oli``: right clic on the panel and read the options carefully
[14:20] <Oli``> avis: run sudo update-manager -c -d (if you're really sure)
[14:20] <avis> thanks Oli``
[14:20] <Oli``> fosco_: ???
[14:21]  * gourgi1 already in jaunty but needs to test ext4+encrypt from the scratch
[14:21] <Oli``> fosco_: there's nothing new there (Add to panel, Properties, Delete this panel | New panel | Help, About panels)
[14:26] <gnomefreak> you dont need to use -c anymore
[14:26] <gnomefreak> it is assumed by default
[14:26] <Oli``> Oh right... I've just been using it from habit
[14:28] <Oli``> fosco_: played around with the properties - for future reference, unchecking expand gives it a handle you can use to drag it where you like.
[14:39] <cwillu> Oli``, properties also provides a direct means to change which edge it's on
[14:40] <Oli``> cwillu: I'm talking screens, not orientations
[14:40] <Oli``> ie twinview
[14:40] <nikolam_jaunty> where we set resolution in xubuntu jaunty?
[14:40] <cwillu> Oli``, ... at which point, you can drag it to the screen you want
[14:40] <cwillu> nikolam_jaunty, preferences | screen resolution
[14:40] <Oli``> cwillu: that was my point - dragging isn't working for me
[14:41] <cwillu> Oli``, wasn't locked down was it?
[14:41] <cwillu> ("allow this panel to be moved")
[14:41] <nikolam_jaunty> cwillu, there is no preferences
[14:41] <Oli``> cwillu: no
[14:41] <cwillu> nikolam_jaunty, system | preferences?
[14:42] <cwillu> Oli``, odd
[14:42] <nikolam_jaunty> cwillu, no system preferences here
[14:42] <Oli``> indeed
[14:42] <cwillu> oh, xubuntu
[15:23] <tristil> Is Alpha 4 going to be released today?
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Yes, in a few hours
[15:24] <fosco_> can hardly wait to test :)
[15:32] <rainmanp7> .
[15:32] <rainmanp7> Goodmorning
[15:33] <rainmanp7> Does anyone know if there is a way to make or test this new jaunty on BTRFS I would love to know a way I could actually test it as a defualt system format instead of ext4 ?
[15:34] <rainmanp7> I have a test hard drive I could run it on :) I jsut want to see a distro thing with it running any ideas ?
[15:40] <mifritscher> hi
[15:40] <mifritscher> yust a few suggestions:
[15:42] <mifritscher> -add more controls for compizz in "Erscheinungsbild" (how its thats called in english?) - like diesabled at all, animations, shadows, extenedd alt-tab etc
[15:42] <mifritscher> -add in the alt-tab the possibitily to choose programms directly with 0...9  or with the arrows (while alt is pressed
[15:43] <mifritscher> in the voume control I miss the classic volume manager with the cannels, which is usefull for e.g. redirecting the microphone to the output
[15:43] <mifritscher> (an additons would to ease routing between differnt soundcards (e.g. normal soundcard, bluetooth headset, tv tuner etc.)
[15:44] <mifritscher> but the 9.04 works quite stable :-)
[15:45] <mifritscher> but one thing, which I had also on 8.10: if one window is set to always ase foreground, also new windows are made in the background, even if the foreground window is minimized atm
[15:47] <mifritscher> an, and an extended programm für touchpad, trackstick + tablet would be nice, can't find anything in the normal mousesettings
[15:47] <mifritscher> I even had to manually reactivate the tablet settings in the xorg.conf)
[15:53] <tgpraveen> tristil: it might actually probably take some more time asa they are know for releaseing everything pretty late in the day.
[15:55] <artfwo> not for long, I beleive... alpha-3 just disappeared from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/
[15:55] <tgpraveen> artfwo: yay!
[16:02] <rainmanp7> artfwo I have a copy of alpha 3
[16:03] <artfwo> that's cool, but I'd like to start with jaunty from alpha4
[16:03] <artfwo> and also ext4 :)
[16:03] <rainmanp7> I'm using ext4 now :)
[16:03] <artfwo> so how is it?
[16:04] <rainmanp7> Very dam nice
[16:04] <artfwo> is it selectable in ubiquity?
[16:04] <rainmanp7> I really want to see the diferance though between btrfs stuff and ext4 ,but the boot times and file speed is way differn't and fast in ext4
[16:06] <rainmanp7> ibex took me 25-30 minutes for install on ext3 and now it takes me only 10-15 minutes to hit desktop if they include that realtime switch thing I'm sure it will be more like 6-10 minutes install
[16:07] <rainmanp7> my boot up times are allot less with etx4
[16:07] <rainmanp7> like 21-22 seconds
[16:08] <artfwo> an operating system installable in 10 minutes!
[16:08] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: kindly share you are system specs and also
[16:08] <tgpraveen> boot time with ext3
[16:09] <tgpraveen> many games take mopre time in windows to isntall
[16:11] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen I'm running on a 40 gig Western Digital PATA with Pentium 3.4 dual core and 2.5gig ram on asus motherboard I have other SATA drives i could hook up :) and spare IDE Drives ;)
[16:11] <Gnimsh> hi there
[16:12] <Gnimsh> Just wondering when alpha 4 of jaunty will be released
[16:12] <Gnimsh> the schedule said today but nothing's up yet
[16:12] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen my stuff is like 4-5 years old though
[16:12] <Gnimsh> at least afaik
[16:12] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: I am slightly confused did you say you have pentium 3?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Gnimsh: should be later today
[16:13] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen Pentium 4 at 3.4 Gigherz
[16:13] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen not the new ones in the store
[16:13] <Gnimsh> Do you think it will be stable enough for use as my main OS, just browing internet, email, word processing, etc?
[16:14] <charlie-tca> I think it will be an alpha release, which means you have as good a chance for it to break as not break
[16:14] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: oh ok then 20 secs is pretty decent . I have a p4 2.4 ghz machine and on 8.10 I have like 1 min 45 secs boot time though I have 2 screenlets set up to boot
[16:14] <tgpraveen> it is just too high
[16:14] <charlie-tca> If you have things you can not aford downtime for, it is bad
[16:14] <Gnimsh> ok
[16:14] <yao_ziyuan> can i use kpackagekit in kubuntu 8.10?
[16:15] <rainmanp7> Not sure I have been using it for days like maybe 9 and the only problem i have is firefox crashing. yeah look at things you can't afford to have downtime for
[16:15] <Gnimsh> I'm anxious to try a new version, I suppose, but my hardware that works in 8.04 (just a webcam) does not work in 8.10, and so I want to see if it will be detected in 9.04
[16:15] <charlie-tca> Why not try the livecd, then
[16:16] <Gnimsh> I don't think the liveCD of any version has ever picked up my webcam
[16:16] <Gnimsh> I'll have to look with 8.04
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Look with Jaunty instead
[16:16] <charlie-tca> yao_ziyuan: You should ask in #kubuntu
[16:16] <rainmanp7> I know with the new updates on Jaunty my umm Cmedia headset and Creative sound card got picked up but not in 8.10
[16:18] <rainmanp7> Gnimsh I love burning all sorts of live cd's and trying to find the one that picks up my hardware :)
[16:18] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: did you modify you are system or anything to get the 20 sec boot time in jaunty? or is this out of the box
[16:18] <Gnimsh> lol
[16:18] <tgpraveen> also what was you are boot time in 8.10
[16:18] <Gnimsh> I've used fedora 10 and opensuse and neither of them pick up all my hardware either
[16:18] <Gnimsh> I've been considering farsight
[16:18] <Gnimsh> oops
[16:18] <Gnimsh> foresight*
[16:19] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen yes I Messed with 2 settings 1 that got me there was the realtime switch in fstab and there is another setting in the scuzi file where you put a G option for better throughput but I like the realtime allot better for respose time of desktop
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Gnimsh: that's why you should try Jaunty alpha4 livecd when it releases
[16:21] <Gnimsh> what's that, to make sure it picks up everything?
[16:22] <Gnimsh> why,e ven*
[16:22] <Gnimsh> even...
[16:22] <charlie-tca> To see if it detects your webcam, when nothing else does.
[16:22] <Gnimsh> ah ok
[16:22] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen my fstab looks like this UUID=a61b264c-ea37-4335-a1bf-fb6cfc7017dd /               ext4    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[16:22] <Gnimsh> I'll give it a try
[16:24] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: you think maybe this options would be made default for jaunty
[16:24] <tgpraveen> that realtime sounds good
[16:24] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen Yes!
[16:24] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen that one thing made a hell of a differance
[16:25] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: really that is going to be default? is there a dev discussion going on for this?
[16:25] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen Actually they need to include that on the install and I would whipe crap out just to see how it worked from scratch hehe
[16:26] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen I wish they would include it as default I'm not sure where the dev channel for asking somthing like that would be
[16:28] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: you should file this in launchpad as a bug and maybe also brainstorm. sounds like a nice idea
[16:29] <avis> i am having issues with jaunty not powering off, after a recent bios update to my laptop, and was wanting to report that bug to launchpad, i'm unsure as to what package in question, i'd report, or even, how i'd specifically address it to the developement of jaunty?  i believe "Ubuntu" will work and i can put Jaunty in the topic.  sorry about all these questions.
[16:31] <avis> that would be -- what package to report, if computer doesn't shutdown, it goes through the whole cycle process again, after shutdown, with most recent kernel.  i'm unsure what package i should target.
[16:32] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen what's the launchpad um weblink ? or the Bug Brainstorm link ? all i know is that that switch it shaved off 4-5 seconds on boot time and made stuff more responsive and faster loading of programs :)
[16:34] <rainmanp7> found the site stuff jsut need to make login information
[16:38] <rainmanp7> wow these spam people are getting real good with the subject lines LOL
[16:39] <rainmanp7> man yahoo email is somthing else
[16:45] <charlie-tca> avis: Report it against "linux" which is the kernel, it controls most of that now.
[16:47] <avis> charlie-tca, ok got it.  and how might i address the bug report so it would go to the Jaunty developers?  i believe by default it goes to Ubuntu, and if try to get any more specific than that, it wont allow me to write a bug report at all.  so i did one for "Ubuntu" for package linux, with all the related logs, but no one has yet replied, so i'm thinking, it needs to get to the Jaunty team
[16:48] <charlie-tca> They will see it. What is the bug number of them
[16:49] <charlie-tca> It is usually that the developers are a bit busy, and pick the most important bugs(to them) to try and fix first.
[16:49] <avis> looking for it.
[16:50] <avis> ooh i see. ok.
[16:53] <avis> my bug report seems to have disappeared from launchpad :(
[16:54] <avis> here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/323715
[16:55] <avis> its actually just a week old, so, yes.  its relatively new.  it wasn't easy to find on launchpad though
[17:01] <artfwo> guess alpha-4 starts to appear on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Got it. Give me a day or so to see if I can get it triaged.
[17:08] <tgpraveen> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-4/
[17:08] <tgpraveen> alpha 4 is out
[17:08] <tgpraveen> any one got a link to page which has its new features
[17:08] <tgpraveen> you knw release notes
[17:09] <artfwo> tgpraveen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[17:09] <artfwo> still no desktop-i386
[17:09] <maxb> Hmm. I booted Intrepid sharing a homedir that I've touched with Jaunty. All my gnome-terminals now insist on being zero characters wide
[17:12] <ethana2> GNOME 2.25.90 in Ubuntu 9.04a4?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> Alpha4 just released
[17:12] <ethana2> charlie-tca: seriously?
[17:13] <ethana2> ooh!
[17:13] <charlie-tca> yeah, message came in to ubuntu-devel-announce
[17:13] <ethana2> charlie-tca: does it have working 3D stuff?
[17:13] <ethana2> I dual boot 8.04.1 and 8.10, I'm looking to install 9.04 over 8.04 since my major 8.10 bugs got fixed
[17:13] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I just use it as installed.
[17:17] <tgpraveen> does anyone know if bluetooth bugs in 8.10 which were not there in 8.04 got sorted in 9.04 or not?
[17:20] <rainmanp7> Does anyone know what version of the Alpha your actually running ?
[17:22] <Pici> rainmanp7: An alpha is just a snapshot of the packages at a certain point, there really isn't anything else that defines it as being Alpha 3 or 4 or whatever.
[17:22] <rainmanp7> Pici ahhh ok
[17:23] <rainmanp7> Pici yeah that's what I'm looking for a certin predefined snapshot aka wich snapshot am I running on :)
[17:24] <Pici> rainmanp7: There isn't anything that will say it.  If you've been updating, then you're on alpha 4 now.
[17:24] <Pici> !final
[17:24] <rainmanp7> Pici k thanx
[17:24] <Pici> !final =~ s/Intrepid/Jaunty/
[17:24] <askand> Hello, I tried latest alpha on three different computers and have the same problem with internet, I get connected but internet does not work...any idea on how to check what could be wrong?
[17:25] <rainmanp7> askand um the get connected isn't that the same as being connected to the internet ? please explain
[17:27] <askand> I am connected to the router with wireless and can acess its settingpage but not the internet
[17:28] <rainmanp7> I know if anything is connected to the Internet that there are 3 things that keep it from seeing anything = 1: The DNS 2: The DHCP getting the Gateway 3: Information of the 3 = Ip address/Dns/Dhcp automatic delivering the infromation
[17:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Check the default route on the PC using "ip route" - it should be "via" the IP of the gateway/router
[17:29] <ethana2> someone fix ubottu...
[17:29] <rainmanp7> Ok so pop you can see router :) that's connection. tracert and pinging a site will say if you can get out past the router. The router needs to supply the IP/DNS/Gateway and the Software on the Machine ahs to read these settings
[17:29] <askand> rainmanp7: yes and we can rule out dns since I can not visit ipadresse
[17:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Next, check whether you can ping an IP address on the Internet. e.g., one of my servers: "ping <IP_ADDRESS>"
[17:30] <askand> ping www.google.com gives: connect: network is unreachable
[17:30] <IntuitiveNipple> Then, test DNS using "dig www.iana.org"
[17:31] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: That gives output, exciting name you have btw
[17:32] <IntuitiveNipple> dig DNS gives output? does it report an IP address in the ANSWER section? if that section is empty, it failed
[17:32] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: yes <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Also, check whether the interface has got a DHCP lease: "ls /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.*.leases"
[17:32] <IntuitiveNipple> askand: That's good then!
[17:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Does the ping to my server work too?
[17:33] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: No, it does not; connect: network is unreachable
[17:33] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> try: "tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>"
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> If that starts timing out, you'll see at which point the problem is
[17:34] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: send dailed Resume: pmtu 65535
[17:34] <askand> failed*
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> 65535?????
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> eeeek!
[17:35] <rainmanp7> IntuitiveNipple very good advice I like you hehe  :)
[17:35] <dethstar> anyone know to go about installing the drivers for a Radeon HD 3450?  tried envyng.. with no luck.
[17:35] <askand> :O
[17:35] <IntuitiveNipple> askand: How many interfaces are active? and what are their names (eth0, wlan0 ?)
[17:35] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: lo wlan0 wmaster0-00
[17:36] <IntuitiveNipple> haha
[17:36] <IntuitiveNipple> wmaster0-00 ?
[17:36] <askand>  IntuitiveNipple: yea :O
[17:36] <askand>  IntuitiveNipple: It is in ifconfig
[17:36] <askand>  IntuitiveNipple:  Is it bad? :P
[17:37] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm... the -00 suggests the original interface was already taken... could be a symptom
[17:37] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, what MTU does "ifconfig wlan0 | grep MTU" report ?
[17:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Also, can you show the contents from "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
[17:38] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: 1500
[17:38] <IntuitiveNipple> askand: OK, that is correct.
[17:39] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: Good, exciting its like a treasurehunt
[17:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Also, please post to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ the results of "cat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.wlan0.leases"
[17:40] <IntuitiveNipple> (and tell me the pastebin URL you've used)
[17:41] <askand>  IntuitiveNipple: there is no sucj files
[17:41] <askand> dhclient.leases is the only one
[17:41] <IntuitiveNipple> really
[17:41] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm, are you using statically configured settings?
[17:41] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: nope dhcp
[17:42] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... pastebin the contents of the dhcpd.leases file then :)
[17:42] <askand> oh wait iwconfig shows another interface?
[17:42] <dethstar> anyone have a clue about the Radeon HD 3450?
[17:42] <askand> pan0?
[17:42] <IntuitiveNipple> pan0 is the Bluetooth PAN
[17:43] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: the leases file is empty
[17:43] <askand> :o
[17:44] <IntuitiveNipple> askand: hehehe yeah it would be... I asked for the wrong one :p
[17:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm... lets try something else... routing table
[17:45] <IntuitiveNipple> pastebin the result of "ip route" please
[17:46] <askand> hm I have troubles getting to pastebin..
[17:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Are there any other PCs on the network that can access the Internet OK, or is there only that one PC right now?
[17:47] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: there is this PC that is on the same network
[17:48] <askand> but trying to acess it gives me a dbuserror
[17:48] <IntuitiveNipple> okay... so we can't prove whether there is a fault with the router if there are no other PCs then
[17:48] <IntuitiveNipple> If I were you I'd try restarting the PC before trying to diagnose this any further
[17:48] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: yes I am connected to the router with this PC
[17:48] <IntuitiveNipple> It sounds like the system is in an inconsistent state
[17:50] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: ok I try that
[17:53] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: ok I am up and running agan
[17:54] <IntuitiveNipple> You never disappeared!
[17:54] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: No, should I restart this computer? :O It works fine?
[17:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Huh? I thought you were going to restart? Didn't you do that? If not, what did you do?
[17:55] <askand> Hm I have two computers, one with 8.10 (reffered to as this PC :)) that works fine and one laptop with alpha 4 that does not work
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh.... I thought when I asked earlier you said there was only one PC on the LAN
[17:56] <askand> IntuitiveNipple:  ah ok, no :)
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, so, you're connected to IRC via Intrepid on PC, and having problems with Jaunty Laptop?
[17:57] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... lets go back a bit then.
[17:57] <askand>  IntuitiveNipple: thats right, sorry about that :)
[17:57] <IntuitiveNipple> When I asked for results of commands, you were typing them on the laptop and then reporting back here from the 'good' PC?
[17:57] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: yep
[17:58] <IntuitiveNipple> okay... so, to recap, the Laptop has been allocated an IP address by DHCP, and it can connect to the router OK, but not the Internet?
[17:58] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: that right
[17:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Can you connect to the laptop from the PC using ssh?
[17:59] <askand> I can not install ssh on the laptop im afraid
[17:59] <Alexia_Death> askand: It should be available on the cd...
[17:59] <Alexia_Death> I hope it is at least.
[17:59] <IntuitiveNipple> sshd shold already be installed
[18:00] <IntuitiveNipple> s/shold/should/
[18:00] <Alexia_Death> IntuitiveNipple: I would not be so sure... I havent done a clean install in ages but I dont think it is...
[18:00] <askand> ssh: connect to host ubuntu port 22: Connection refused on the 'good pc'
[18:00] <IntuitiveNipple> 'refused' is good :)
[18:01] <IntuitiveNipple> Alexia_Death: Hmm, it's so long since I did that I'm not sure either
[18:02] <askand> good with refused?
[18:03] <IntuitiveNipple> askand: was that an attempt *from* PC to laptop?
[18:03] <askand> IntuitiveNipple:  yes
[18:04] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: Ah but the other way around works
[18:04] <IntuitiveNipple> OK... just to be sure, on the laptop check if the package is installed: "dpkg-query -l '*ssh*' " and look for openssh-server being installed
[18:05] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: Now I can communicate between them, what should I pastebin?
[18:06] <IntuitiveNipple> askand: If you have the connection from the laptop to the PC it doesn't make things much easier, you'd need to paste stuff into files on PC and then open them on PC to paste to pastebin :)
[18:06] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: yes but it works
[18:06] <askand> :)
[18:07] <IntuitiveNipple> I tell you what... download the Jauntry openssh-server package to PC, then copy it across to laptop using sshfs or scp
[18:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Is the laptop Jaunty 32-bit or 64-bit
[18:08] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: 32bit
[18:08] <askand> I have forgotten how to copy over ssh
[18:08] <askand> scp?
[18:09] <IntuitiveNipple> on PC do: "wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_5.1p1-5ubuntu1_i386.deb"
[18:09] <askand> done
[18:09] <IntuitiveNipple> make sure it is in your home directory to keep things simple
[18:09] <askand> yep
[18:10]  * Alexia_Death just uses either nautilus or dolphin to open the sftp connection ;)
[18:10] <IntuitiveNipple> There you go askand... on the laptop use nautilus :p
[18:11] <IntuitiveNipple> copy that .deb file over to laptop, then install it using "sudo dpk -i <filename>"
[18:11] <IntuitiveNipple> (or double-click it to load in gdebi and then install)
[18:12] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: ok done :)
[18:12] <askand> and Im in on the PC
[18:12] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, so sshd will have been started on laptop when it was installed, so try connecting to laptop from PC with ssh
[18:13] <IntuitiveNipple> oh... "in on" - I misread that
[18:13] <IntuitiveNipple> good... so, now you can more easily grab output
[18:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Let's start with "ifconfig -s"
[18:14] <askand> http://pastebin.com/m712c1ca3
[18:15] <IntuitiveNipple> okay, now "ifconfig wlan0"
[18:15] <askand> http://pastebin.com/mb2d9c24
[18:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Now "ip route"
[18:18] <fosco__> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-4/
[18:18] <fosco__> ready to go
[18:19] <askand> http://pastebin.com/m23e62313
[18:21] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: Perhaps it would also be interesting to know that I get the same problem on every computer running alpha 4 so it is not a singe computer that is wrong
[18:21] <IntuitiveNipple> there's your problem... no default route
[18:21] <IntuitiveNipple> alpha-3 dont' you mean? :p
[18:22] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: No 4 was released today :D
[18:23] <IntuitiveNipple> what's the IP of the gateway?
[18:24] <IntuitiveNipple> (you can check on PC using the same command to get the "default via" entry)
[18:24] <askand> gateway= boradcastadress?
[18:24] <askand> <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:25] <IntuitiveNipple> do "sudo ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS>"
[18:25] <askand> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev wlan0  proto static
[18:25] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: yay! internet is back! thanks man!
[18:25] <askand> should I file a bug?
[18:26] <askand> how could this happend?
[18:26] <IntuitiveNipple> I didn't get that problem with the live-CDs - but then I've not been able to get past the Jaunty installer yet so don't know if it'll be the OK once installed.
[18:27] <IntuitiveNipple> First, search the log files for clues as to why dhclient (via NetworkManager) seems to be losing the default route
[18:27] <IntuitiveNipple> do: "grep -irn dhcp /var/log/* > dhcp.log"
[18:29] <IntuitiveNipple> then read through dhcp.log (maybe use 'less': "less dhcp.log" and page through looking for where the lease is being requested and issued, and then use the timestamps of those entries to look for other entries around the same time and just after that might give a clue
[18:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Also, check for any new entries in the those dhcp lease files at /var/lib/dhcp3/
[18:31] <BUGabundo> I'm one of those afected by the HUGE DPI (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts). against what package should I file it ?
[18:33] <charlie-tca> the bug already filed?
[18:33] <BUGabundo> I don't know!
[18:34] <BUGabundo> just checking before running apport on it
[18:34] <charlie-tca> you can use xorg
[18:34] <BUGabundo> I get a
[18:34] <BUGabundo>  xdpyinfo | grep dots  resolution:    112x112 dots per inch
[18:34] <BUGabundo> let me check my apt-changes
[18:34] <BUGabundo> I think it mentioned a LP bug
[18:35] <BUGabundo> nope
[18:35] <BUGabundo> nothing there
[18:35] <charlie-tca> I would think "xorg" will work. Someone will fix the package if it is wrong
[18:36] <BUGabundo> filing new, and lookgin for dupes
[18:36] <charlie-tca> At least then Bryce should see it
[18:36] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I aint sure if it is X or gdm-session
[18:36] <maxb> I have one somewhat erroneously filed under xserver-xorg-vidio-intel
[18:36] <charlie-tca> X if I recall correctly
[18:37] <maxb> LP 324518
[18:37] <BUGabundo> what the heck is this ?
[18:37] <BUGabundo> .........................................Warning:          Could not load keyboard geometry for :0
[18:37] <BUGabundo>                   BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[18:37] <BUGabundo>                   Resulting keymap file will not describe geometry
[18:38] <BUGabundo> apport bug or LP edge load bugs?
[18:41] <BUGabundo> filed under bug 325868
[18:41] <BUGabundo> now to retest apport
[18:42] <BUGabundo> can't reproduce it
[18:45] <Tukon> anyone not getting mouse support on kubuntu alpha 4 installer
[18:45] <Tukon> boots up and mouse is not working on my asus laptop
[18:49] <zniavre> !vlc
[18:50] <BUGabundo> Tukon: read the release notes!
[18:50] <BUGabundo> you need to install a xorg-input package
[18:50] <askand> IntuitiveNipple: There is no new wntries in the leases files and I cant find anything sucpisous in the dpcp.log
[18:51] <Tukon> BUGabundo, thanks
[18:51] <BUGabundo> Tukon: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[18:51] <BUGabundo> The X.Org synaptics driver is absent from the liveCD, which may prevent touchpad devices from working on laptops. As a workaround, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch to console, log in, run sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all to download the drivers from the network, and then return to your session with Alt+F7.
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> askand: Have you tried disconnecting/reconnecting the interface via NetworkManager to see if it always happens?
[18:53] <biouser> I have all of these many2many one2one ForeignKeys that ultimately are tied to auth.User... any thoughts on whether I should tie them to UserProfile vs auth.User?
[18:53] <biouser> oops
[18:54] <askand>  IntuitiveNipple: it happens if I disconnect and  disconnect yes
[18:54] <askand> then I have to add route again
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... so, the thing to do is run tcpdump and capture the network traffic to see what the laptop gets sent by the router, to be sure that it is in fact being sent the gateway
[18:56] <askand> dcpdump wlan0 gives no suitable device found
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> So, what you'd do is. Disconnect the network. In a terminal start tcpdump "sudo tcpdump -i wlan0 -w wlan0-dhcp.dump". Tell NetworkManager to reconnect. Once it has connected, use Ctrl+C to stop tcpdump and examine the communications to see if DHCP sent the gateway.
[18:59] <IntuitiveNipple> That command, with -w, will write the raw output to a capture file so you can examine it later, with things like WireShark
[19:10] <maxb> Don't forget -s0 to not truncate the captured packets
[19:12] <askand> I can not run tcpdump when interface is not connected
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Strange... I can here... and so far as I recall I've always been able to
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Another Jaunty-alpha bug maybe?
[19:13] <askand>  IntuitiveNipple: mmight be
[19:14] <IntuitiveNipple> tcpdump uses libpcap which hooks into the kernel.... I suppose a problem is possible... I'll try later when I test alpha-4
[19:20] <IntuitiveNipple> right. Time to pop the hard drive out and use another one to test the alpha-4... see you from the live-CD... maybe!
[19:38] <simion314> hi, i have a have a strange networking problem in 9.04, i have a dinamic IP and the dhclient gets the correct IP, route is set correct but i have network unreacheble error, is some firewall or some other bug? i tried ifconfig up/down and dhclient eth0 but it does not worck
[20:04] <JeyPeyy> Hey! How come https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule isn't updated?
[20:04] <maxb> JeyPeyy: with what?
[20:04] <JeyPeyy> The alpha 4 link
[20:05] <maxb> Perhaps because no one has gotten around to it?
[20:12] <JeyPeyy> I'm not a developer, but is it OK if I add the link to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4 ?
[20:16] <maco> JeyPeyy: dont see why not. its a wiki and the devs will be notified of all changes anyway
[20:16] <JeyPeyy> Because of the "Please do not edit" at the begining
[20:17] <JeyPeyy> But I do it anyways then
[20:23] <maco> JeyPeyy: oh. i think they just dont want you screwing up the dates. if theyre unhappy about the link that should be there being added to fulfill the "should"...they can undo it and redo it :P
[20:26] <FFForever> has the sound bug been fixed yet?
[20:34] <Matir`> Is CPU Frequency Scaling known to be broken in any way?  When mine is on "ondemand", it seems to always be at 800 MHz, even when I simulate lots of load
[21:41] <admin_masu3701> do anyone know what is the networking chennel where i could get info on TCP/IP?
[21:42] <Pici> admin_masu3701: ##networking
[21:42] <KDesk> hi
[21:42] <admin_masu3701> thanks Pici
[21:42] <KDesk> How does Jaunty know the best dpi setting for the display?
[21:57] <woody86> anyone know why I can't install bootchart in Jaunty? It says bootchart is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[22:00] <IntuitiveNipple> woody86: No files: see http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/bootchart-udeb
[22:01] <woody86> IntuitiveNipple, so what's that mean? I can't install it for the time being?
[22:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah.. I guess the repositories have got to catch up
[22:03] <woody86> IntuitiveNipple, ah, thx :)
[22:18] <lfaraone> Hi, sound suddenly stopped working on my workstation. We're using a intergreated card, all settings are at 100% and unmuted. http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=46c3de71252018f0dcb79bc691039617013ea841
[22:19] <lfaraone> Any ideas?
[22:19] <lfaraone> Oh, and I _do_ get system-beep-sound when that's unmuted, but no other sounds. (such as "aplay /dev/urandom"
[22:26] <dtchen> lfaraone: sec
[22:27] <dtchen> lfaraone: use speaker-test to test, not aplay /dev/urandom
[22:27] <dtchen> lfaraone: mute 'Analog Loopback'
[22:28] <dtchen> lfaraone: lastly, if you're using pulseaudio, use `pulseaudio -k ; start-pulseaudio-x11' and try playing media
[22:32] <lfaraone> dtchen: Thanks. When I attempted to execute that last statement, I got the following: I: caps.c: Dropping root privileges.
[22:32] <lfaraone> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[22:32] <lfaraone> Connection failure: Connection refused
[22:32] <dtchen> 1) system-wide daemon or per-user session daemon?
[22:33] <dtchen> 2) sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq*
[22:33] <lfaraone> dtchen: I'm on GNOME, have "Use sound devices" checked in Sys>admin>users, and am using a per-user daemon afaict.
[22:33] <lfaraone> dtchen: /dev/snd/controlC0:  lfaraone  13315 F.... alsamixer
[22:33] <lfaraone>                      lfaraone  18731 F.... mixer_applet2
[22:36] <TuTUXG> is a4 out?
[22:37] <lfaraone> TuTUXG: Yes, see the topic.
[22:41] <dtchen> lfaraone: that's all?
[22:41] <dtchen> and which app is generating connection refused? the daemon surely shouldn't be.
[22:42] <TuTUXG> lfaraone, lol, didnt notice that, i was checking distrowatch
[22:44] <lfaraone> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/m2fdb3c8e
[22:44] <lfaraone> dtchen: that's all.
[22:45] <dtchen> ok, instead of `start-pulseaudio-x11', use `pulseaudio -D -vv'
[22:47] <lfaraone> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/m3e0abce9
[22:48] <lfaraone> dtchen: ... and still no audio.
[22:49] <dtchen> lfaraone: `amixer' output?
[22:49] <imme> Could anyone help me to get gnome to start completely, or am I on my own?
[22:50] <dtchen> imme: where is it failing to "start completely"?
[22:50] <imme> Well I log into gdm, then it unloads gdm
[22:50] <imme> I see the first screen.
[22:50] <imme> The cursor becomes the loading-thing
[22:51] <imme> my background loads and then nothing more.
[22:51] <lfaraone> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/me055160
[22:51] <dtchen> imme: fresh install of a4 or distribution upgrade? reproducible with a new user?
[22:52] <dtchen> imme: reproducible when compiz is disabled?
[22:52] <imme> dtchen: Good questions...
[22:52] <dtchen> imme: reproducible using the vesa driver?
[22:52] <Adys> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg-ctrl-alt-backspace said there's a way to reenable this behaviour. how?
[22:53] <dtchen> Adys: install the dontzap package
[22:53] <Adys> thanks dtchen
[22:53] <dtchen> then you can use `sudo dontzap -d'
[22:54] <Adys> i see yeah
[22:54] <Adys> cheers
[22:54] <dtchen> lfaraone: i presume you have ensured that the output device is snugly connected to the correct output jack?
[22:54] <lfaraone> dtchen: Yes.
[22:54] <Adys> any idea where this is handled? which config file or something
[22:55] <dtchen> Adys: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, as usual
[22:55] <lfaraone> dtchen: As I've said, I do hear a system beep when I attempt to trigger one in terminal and "system beep" is unmuted in alsacontrol
[22:55] <Adys> ahh
[22:55] <dtchen> lfaraone: what is "alsacontrol"?
[22:56] <lfaraone> dtchen: *alsamixer
[22:58] <dtchen> lfaraone: can you reproduce this symptom in a fresh boot of an a4 desktop cd?
[23:00] <lfaraone> dtchen: I'm afraid I don't have one handy. Will Unetbootin's Jaunty "daily build" be sufficent?
[23:00] <lfaraone> *build option
[23:01] <dtchen> lfaraone: if it's absolutely current, yes.
[23:02] <lfaraone> dtchen: yes, it downloads the ISO from the main server
[23:02] <dtchen> hence the "absolutely current" part
[23:03] <lfaraone> dtchen: hehe. It uses http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/jaunty-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:03] <lfaraone> dtchen: (current as of yesterday)
[23:07] <xsg> HI
[23:10] <MadsRH> Does anyone know what version of Compiz will be included in Jaunty? There's a new version released in a week or so
[23:11] <dtchen> lfaraone: i also assume that you've ensured (e.g., using pavucontrol) that pa itself hasn't muted the streams
[23:12] <imme> dtchen: It's working again
[23:13] <imme> I have no idea as to what I migh have done.
[23:13] <imme> dtchen: syslog reports X11 session manager is not running
[23:13] <imme> and that seahorse-daemon.desktop failed to register before timeout
[23:14] <imme> besides I see nothing strange.
[23:14] <lfaraone> dtchen: pavucontrol?
[23:15] <dtchen> yes, separate package (also binary executable name)
[23:16] <lamalex> hey, can anyone help me debug why hal is failing to mount my external drives?
[23:16] <lamalex> It says its using invalid mount options
[23:16] <lamalex> but I can't tell what mount options it's using
[23:16] <dtchen> lamalex: hal shouldn't mount your external drives; either dolphin or gnome-mount does
[23:16] <lfaraone> lamalex: did you *change* the options?
[23:16] <imme> dtchen: Thanks for the good questions, I hope I will remember them in case something like this might happen again.
[23:16] <lamalex> lfaraone: this is a fresh jaunty install
[23:16] <dtchen> (kubuntu vs. ubuntu, respectively)
[23:17] <lfaraone> dtchen: nope, all streams clear, sans "input"
[23:18] <lamalex> dtchen: ok, then gnome-mount is telling me this
[23:18] <dtchen> lfaraone: which question does that answer?
[23:23] <lfaraone> dtchen: 18:11  dtchen$ lfaraone: i also assume that you've ensured (e.g., using pavucontrol) that pa itself hasn't muted the streams
[23:23] <dtchen> lamalex: use --show-settings
[23:23] <lamalex> dtchen: lfaraone: eh? Any idea how to tell what mount options it's using?
[23:23] <lamalex> ah
[23:24] <lamalex> hmm.. now that'd doing /noting/
[23:24] <dtchen> lfaraone: ok. have you, in fact, established that the pa daemon is wonky?
[23:24] <dtchen> lamalex: you have to attempt to mount the partition...
[23:24] <lamalex> i'm aware
[23:25] <dtchen> lamalex: and you can look in gconf if you're so inclined
[23:25] <lamalex> nome-mount --show-settings --verbose -d /dev/sdb1
[23:25] <lamalex> dtchen: where in gconf
[23:25] <lamalex> s/nome/gnome
[23:25] <dtchen> /system/storage/defaults/FS_TYPE
[23:25] <dtchen> documented further in gnome-mount(1)
[23:26] <lamalex> there are no option paths for ext3 fs, unless they're labelled as something else
[23:26] <dtchen> lfaraone: meaning, if you issue `pulseaudio -k ; speaker-test -Dplughw:0 -c2', is the speaker-test audible?
[23:30] <dtchen> offline; e-mail or submit a bug report with all those details
[23:31] <dtchen> (as attachments)
[23:31] <lfaraone> dtchen: No, it is not.
[23:31] <lfaraone> dtchen: PA seems to be working fine.
[23:31] <lfaraone> dtchen: it *appears* to be getting the sound and writing it to the device.
[23:31] <dtchen> lfaraone: ok, then you should be able to get it to a sane state by killing everything using audio, unloading the driver, and *then* rebooting
[23:32] <dtchen> sorry
[23:32] <dtchen> you need to rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state after unloading the driver
[23:34] <lfaraone> dtchen: how exactly do I unload the driver?
[23:34] <lfaraone> dtchen: (I'm currently planning to init 1 and rm that file)
[23:34] <lamalex> dtchen: there are no option paths for ext3 fs, unless they're labelled as something else
[23:35] <lfaraone> lamalex: 18:30  dtchen$ offline; e-mail or submit a bug report with all those details
[23:35] <lamalex> lfaraone: ah, you didn't ping me. didn't know it was forme
[23:35] <lamalex> rather dtchen didn't ping me
[23:37] <dtchen> lfaraone: check awk '{print $2}' /proc/asound/modules
[23:39] <lfaraone> dtchen: so something like "init 1; modprobe -r snd_hda_intel; rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state; reboot"?
[23:42] <dtchen> lfaraone: no need to telinit 1 first
[23:42] <lfaraone> dtchen: well, how else do I kill all sound apps?
[23:43] <dtchen> lfaraone: bah, just use sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload ; sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[23:46]  * lfaraone reboots
[23:49] <lfaraone> dtchen: Great, it works.
[23:49] <lfaraone> *adds that command to the wiki*


[19:23] <sil2100> o/
[19:23] <sil2100> Sorry for missing the meeting
[19:24] <teward> sil2100: what meeting :P
[19:24] <sil2100> My calendar mentioned a DMB meeting starting 25 minutes ago!
[19:24] <teward> ah
[19:25] <teward> there was no meeting, at least not in this room, nor was there one in #u-meeting-2
[19:25] <teward> (I have been lurking here since 12:30PM UTC-4 with no activity but joins/parts in here
[19:25] <teward> so...)
[19:25] <sil2100> I guess we didn't have anyone on the agenda anyway ;)
[19:26] <teward> :P
[19:26] <sil2100> teward: thanks for the info then!
[19:26] <teward> sil2100: yep.  *returns to lurking IRC and beating the heck out of Cisco ASA firewalls*
[19:32] <olive> LoCoCouncil. "next meeting is scheduled for Monday, 8th October 2018 20:00 UTC and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net"
[19:32] <olive> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:03] <gsilvapt_> yellow!
[20:04] <nhaines> _o/
[20:04] <gsilvapt_> I'm on dish washing duties around the house but I'm here for the meeting. Ready when you are
[20:04] <Letozaf_> o/
[20:11] <nhaines> Okay, enough time rallying the troops.  Time to get things started!  :)
[20:11] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[20:11] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  8 20:11:53 2018 UTC.  The chair is nhaines. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:12] <nhaines> Welcome to the Ubuntu LoCo Council meeting!  Our agenda today is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:13] <nhaines> First up is the re-verification for the Italian Ubuntu LoCo Team.
[20:13] <nhaines> Their application is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItalianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2018
[20:14] <nhaines> Are any representatives from the Italian team present?
[20:16] <nhaines> Okay, because this is the second meeting with no representative from the team and we do not have a quorum for this agenda item (due to an abstention!), we will keep the re-verification bug open and try to get this resolved within the next week.
[20:17] <nhaines> The next item on our agenda is the re-verification for the French-speaking Ubuntu LoCo Team.  Their application is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrenchTeam/ReVerificationApplication2018
[20:17] <gsilvapt_>  Before that, what should we say to them in the ML? We've been receiving some emails to request us to urge and solve this at
[20:18] <gsilvapt_> s/at/matter
[20:18] <gsilvapt_> I feel for them but I know our side of the story. The point being that I am not seeing with good appreciation their request and constant reminders their membership is terminating
[20:18] <nhaines> I'm pretty sure I mentioned to him that I extended the provisional verification to past this meeting date, but I'll email him and give him an update of what we're doing.  (And kick the LCC members into voting on the bug!)  :)
[20:19] <gsilvapt_> And if there's anything we can do about that
[20:19] <gsilvapt_> LCC?
[20:19] <nhaines> That's us!  (The LoCo Community Council)
[20:20] <nhaines> I explained to him that the LoCo cannot lose status during re-verification and the Launchpad membership will not affect any requests to Canonical while we're working on their status.
[20:20] <nhaines> I'll explain it to him again, but pushing the date out another week will just increase the number of email warnings they get about expiration, and they won't be any more accurate than the one's they're already getting.
[20:21] <nhaines> But yes, I'll send an email after the meeting.
[20:21] <gsilvapt_> Ok, thank you
[20:22] <gsilvapt_> Regarding the next item, the French LoCo, I have my vote ready but I'm not sure if we can vote since we have no quorum tonight :)
[20:22] <nhaines> I'll also note here for the record that we did get the additional information from them, just via email in a couple threads, which slowed things down a little.  They've been cooperative and we appreciate that.  Just infrastructural delays.  :)
[20:22] <gsilvapt_> Oh wait, Carla will vote now, that's 3 votes, I guess
[20:22] <nhaines> Yes.  :)
[20:23] <Letozaf_> yes I'm ready :)
[20:23] <nhaines> So the French LoCo has been pretty active.  I know they had a very strong presence at UbuCon Europe and are actively championing the Ubuntu Federation.  (I think it was their idea.)
[20:24] <Letozaf_> there is no doubt they are very active
[20:24] <nhaines> Lots of events planned, and they have very high membership and a lot of activities.  I think they remain along with Germany some of the best examples of what LoCo teams can achieve.
[20:25] <nhaines> They even got three wallpapers into Ubuntu 18.10 via the Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase.  :)
[20:25] <nhaines> (Technically one was from a non-member, but it was a photo of their event, ha.)
[20:25] <gsilvapt_> Agree.
[20:25] <nhaines> So I guess I'm ready to start the vote.
[20:25] <Letozaf_> me too
[20:26] <gsilvapt_> Go for it
[20:26] <nhaines> #vote Re-verification for Ubuntu France LoCo Team
[20:26] <meetingology> Please vote on: Re-verification for Ubuntu France LoCo Team
[20:26] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:26] <gsilvapt_> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt_
[20:26] <Letozaf_> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
[20:26] <nhaines> +1 amazing work
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 amazing work received from nhaines
[20:27] <nhaines> #endvote
[20:27] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Re-verification for Ubuntu France LoCo Team
[20:27] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:27] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:27] <gsilvapt_> Abstentions should actually be 2 :P
[20:27] <nhaines> They didn't abstain, they're just absent.  :P
[20:27] <gsilvapt_> Isn't it the same? :P
[20:28] <nhaines> Nope, abstention means "I can vote, but I will not vote for or against."
[20:28] <nhaines> It's slightly different.  :)
[20:28] <nhaines> Okay, so by unanimous vote, Ubuntu France is re-verified for another 2 years.  Great job, ubuntu-fr!  :)
[20:29] <gsilvapt_> Well, regarding the previous action items: First, we should've started from there. Secondly, specifically about the wiki page for re-verification, I found no improvements to propose. It's just what it is. A big chunk of information that whoever is interested has to read.
[20:29] <nhaines> You're refering to the Italian Team?
[20:30] <gsilvapt_> We are limited to the page and I guess we can't do much more about it. Regardless, everything the Council (current and future groups) and any LoCo team need to know is just here
[20:30] <gsilvapt_> s/here/there
[20:30] <nhaines> I would have preferred it if the application were updated, but we invited them to answer our questions via private Launchpad bug, and they answered us privately (although via email instead).
[20:31] <nhaines> So we take the sum of the application and the new information and decide that way.
[20:31] <gsilvapt_> No. Last meeting I asked what we could do to simplify/improve the re-verification guidelines. We set an action item for me to investigate and use the italian case to test what could be improved.
[20:31] <nhaines> Ah!
[20:31] <gsilvapt_> And we also set a few other items, AFAIK. And I see other meetings, namely the Ubuntu CC's start with those action items to discuss what was accomplish and what wasn't
[20:32] <gsilvapt_> Perhaps we should start with those in a next time
[20:32] <nhaines> Yes, but those items did not make it to the meeting agenda.
[20:32] <gsilvapt_> Hum, okay then. But was it intentional or a mistake?
[20:33] <nhaines> Surely an oversight.
[20:34] <nhaines> Other than the re-verification page that gives information about the process, were there other improvements that you recommend?
[20:34] <gsilvapt_> It's fine. Just wondering whether we wanted or not to discuss any of those. Regardless, I wanted to let you know I didn't propose any changes not because I haven't looked at it but because I feel there's pretty much nothing that can be done to improve it
[20:35] <gsilvapt_> No, the re-verification page was the only one under research because I always feel lost when I need to move applications to but reports. But I guess we get the hang of it with practice :)
[20:35] <nhaines> I'm always happy to discuss those things.  The meetings are a good place to publically summarize any conversations we have via mailing list or Telegram anyhow.
[20:36] <gsilvapt_> Agree
[20:36] <nhaines> gsilvapt_: you're doing well.  We're just seeing a little bit of miscommunication because the LoCo teams only do this every 2 years so sometimes they forget to ping others.  :)
[20:36] <nhaines> But we can streamline that, too.
[20:37] <nhaines> Thanks for reviewing the re-verification page.  It's important to have fresh eyes on things from time to time.
[20:37] <gsilvapt_> Thanks. It's fine. I thought I could do something about it but I admit that it is already a good job! It is what it is :)
[20:37] <nhaines> When you read it often enough, mistakes become invisible!
[20:37] <gsilvapt_> He he, true!
[20:38] <nhaines> That means we can work on improving things in different ways.  :)
[20:38] <nhaines> Okay, is there any other business for tonight?
[20:38] <gsilvapt_> I don't have anything :)
[20:38] <Letozaf_> nope
[20:39] <nhaines> Okay then, that's it for October.  Happy Ubuntu 18.10 to everybody next week!  :)
[20:39] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[20:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct  8 20:39:37 2018 UTC.
[20:39] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-10-08-20.11.moin.txt
[20:39] <Letozaf_> good night!
[20:39] <Letozaf_> o/
[20:39] <gsilvapt_> See you! Thanks for coming!


[16:45]  * mpt tries to think of the sound equivalent of the word "preview"
[16:45] <mpt> prehear? prelisten?
[16:50] <snwh> mpt, I don't know that there is such a word
[16:51] <snwh> and I applaud your diligence for wording
[16:51] <mpt> There's an equivalent word for thoughts, "premonition", and for smells, "whiff"
[16:51] <snwh> sample
[16:52] <snwh> "listen to a sample"
[16:52] <snwh> i don't think there is a single word for audio
[16:53] <mpt> yeah, I think you're right, "sample" is closest
[16:53] <snwh> you can always coin a new verb ;)
[16:57] <mpt> jnick_tait just suggested "incho", an opposite of an echo
[16:57] <mpt> I said that if it was a word, its adjective would be inchoate
[16:59] <snwh> incho o.O
[17:01] <snwh> i thought it was just echoic and anechoic –echos and no echos lol


[04:46] <Bashing-om> end of session .. G Nite
[07:01] <ducasse> morning, all
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[16:32] <ducasse> hi, BluesKaj :) up late today or just busy? :)
[16:34] <BluesKaj> it's only lunchtime here ducasse and I'm relaxing , not busy
[16:35] <ducasse> got my mikrotik router yesterday, just finished setting it up. unless i've forgotten something important, that is.
[16:37] <Bashing-om> ducasse: :) .. just do not forget the passsword you set .. in all the anxiety of what you may have failed to remember .
[16:39] <ducasse> Bashing-om: no, all passwords are stored in keepassx with yubikey authentication :)
[16:40] <Bashing-om> :D
[16:40] <ducasse> i think the only thing left is ddns and a couple of port forwards. then ipv6 if i can be bothered.
[16:42] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Lucky you that your ISP supports ipv6 . I keep checking my ISP support ( suddenlink) .. Not to this time is ipv6 working .
[16:43] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i think every isp here (norway) has supported it fully for years now. mine delegates a /60 based on the modem mac address.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> ducasse, which model, those routers look interesting , amazon has a pro one for $5K US and others at more down to earth prices
[16:45] <Bashing-om> Rebuilding the infrastructure here in the US. when fiber optics is the norm .. all will be better .
[16:46] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i got this one: http://routerboard.com/RB2011iL-RM - brand new for half the price.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> nice router ducasse and nice price too :-)
[16:54] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i quite like it so far, it's just soooo much more powerful and flexible than regular consumer gear. it's really nice to work with. i'm looking at a mikrotik wap next ;)
[16:57] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Gonna serve to your neighbors ? That is some gear .
[17:00] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i mostly got it because i got it cheap, and it's very low-maintenance. i just wanted something that i can mostly set up and forget about. and i've got a lot of stuff :)
[21:57] <Bashing-om> Back in a long bit, mowing grass .
[22:03] <OerHeks> what do you do with all that hay ?
[22:32] <Bashing-om> Back ... quick one .. the "hay", let it lay .. fertilizer !


[03:17] <PCLine__> Hello and Welcome to Winter in Ohio everyone.
[03:22] <Unit193> But I don't see snow...
[03:25] <PCLine__> It was snowing here.
[03:27] <PCLine__> First seen it at 5:30 this afternoon - Just came home and seen snow in the Head lights.
[03:40] <Unit193> Wow, nice.
[22:15] <jrgifford> Snowing here.
[22:15] <Unit193> Woooohoooo, jrgifford!
[22:15] <Unit193> jrgifford: Oh and we expired.
[22:16] <jrgifford> yeah... snow.
[22:16] <jrgifford> Unit193: yup.
[22:16] <jrgifford> :\
[22:16] <jrgifford> we didn't have a group photo.
[22:16] <Unit193> Photoshop everyone into one. :----D


[02:05] <InHisName1> so will you only talk in pictures, lazypower ?
[04:05] <lazypower> I have been known to speak in gifs from time to time
[04:05] <lazypower> But I'll save that for reddit
[06:31] <CodemonkeyAlx> o.O
[06:31]  * CodemonkeyAlx is on my chromebook :D
[10:07] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:18] <rmg51> Morning
[11:19] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[11:19] <rmg51> o/
[13:06] <waltman> foggy out there
[17:35] <ChinnoDog> KyleYankan: jedijf: I am a ham now.
[17:37] <rmg51> now?
[17:37] <rmg51> what were you before?
[17:38] <pleia2> pig
[17:39] <ChinnoDog> oink
[17:51] <KyleYankan> ChinnoDog: congrats. What's the call?
[19:17] <waltman> snort
[19:41] <pvl1> flyers need to step up their game
[20:58] <ChinnoDog> KyleYankan: I only passed the test today. No call yet. I passed the technician and then the general exam.
[21:29] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all and to all some good bacon!
[21:50] <KyleYankan> ChinnoDog: ah, nice. Congrats!
[22:47] <ChinnoDog> I want to tune in athe local radio club repeater but I don't hear anything from it. Either it is silent or I don't know how to use my radio.
[22:53] <KyleYankan> ChinnoDog: which club repeater?
[22:53] <KyleYankan> N3KZ and W3WAN are usually busy
[22:54] <ChinnoDog> The radio club that tested me. The repeater is ~8 mi away. It is in Alexandria, VA
[22:55] <ChinnoDog> I should expect to get reception from 8 mi away on a walkie right?
[22:56] <KyleYankan> yeah, if anyone is on the repeater
[22:56] <KyleYankan> it might jsut be slow
[22:57] <ChinnoDog> I get nothing. :-(
[22:58] <ChinnoDog> I dialed down the squelch to its lowest setting so I get occasional bursts of static.
[22:58] <KyleYankan> Check another repeater in the area
[22:58] <KyleYankan> or tune to an APRS freq to see if you hear that
[23:01] <ChinnoDog> Is that a beacon?
[23:02] <KyleYankan> It's a digital location system
[23:02] <KyleYankan> network of radios
[23:10] <ChinnoDog> I am looking at aprs.org and I don't understand. Where do I tune? I set my radio for 144.39 and there is nothing there.
[23:12] <KyleYankan> that's be right. it''s possible no-one is aorund you broadcasting
[23:14] <ChinnoDog> How is that possible? I am not exactly in the middle of nowhere.
[23:16] <KyleYankan> I mean, as simple as no-one else near you broadcasting loud enough? It's not a cell network, it's not comprehensive
[23:19] <ChinnoDog> But the repeater should have traffic from miles around and this is a dense area.


[01:53] <holstein> pharcide: sounds like, its not related to lxde, lubuntu then.. more likely a kernel driver.. maybe related to the ATI GPU.. what driver are you using?
[11:39] <Meerkat> Do I take build issues in #lubuntu-devel or here?
[12:05] <Meerkat> I don't seem to be interrupting anything. I'm compiling sylpheed with the sources from ubuntu 14.04 but when I run sylpheed I get "error while loading shared libraries: libsylpheed-plugin-0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory".
[13:34] <Leonardo__> hello would like to know how to configure the Lubuntu networked with other computers, I have one with ubuntu 10.02 and one with windows 7
[13:35] <teward> Meerkat: so you need to install the development headers for that library
[13:35] <Leonardo__> how do I do that
[13:35] <teward> Leonardo__: i wasn't talking to you i was talking to someone else
[13:36] <Leonardo__> ok
[13:37] <teward> Leonardo__: you haven't defined what you mean by 'configured' and 'networked' - what exactly do you want to do with the network?  Plugging into the network, assuming DHCP and you had permission to do so, would be enough to get them 'networked'
[13:37] <teward> so you probably want something else
[13:37] <Meerkat> teward, I have the same question, though. How do I do that? :)
[13:39] <teward> Meerkat: ooo you're building from source.  that could be a problem, you may need their people's support because a from-source compile is ehh
[13:39] <Leonardo__> I need to share files from a PC to another all other pcs are already set up to make it just that I formatted now and I'm not consiguindo make sharing
[13:39] <teward> Meerkat: kinda curious why you're not using sylpheed from the repos though
[13:40] <Meerkat> teward, I am using that version. I just wanted to do some tweaks. Usually this is an easy task when doing 'apt-get source X' but sylpheed got a bit rowdy.
[13:41] <teward> Meerkat: try libsylph-dev
[13:41] <teward> install that
[13:52] <Leonardo__> help
[13:54] <Meerkat> did he leave?
[13:55] <teward> mhm
[15:00] <geo88> where are applications installed to when using apt-get install xxx?  someone on the forum has a similar problem as me and they fixed their problem by editing a file but i have no idea where to find it
[15:02] <geo88> specifically, the mime.c file for ushare.  sorry for being so basic and unfamiliar with these things.
[15:02] <teward> geo88: if you know what the filename is try `locate filename` from the command line
[15:02] <teward> without the backticks
[15:04] <geo88> teward: though i can't find the specific file i'm searching for in this instance, you've taught me a very useful function!
[15:05] <geo88> i feel so lost on this OS =/  this is day two on the live cd.  i'm hoping to make this my default os at some point (to replace winxp) but i'm trying to make sure i can do a couple of things before i make the jump
[15:06] <genii> geo88: dpkg -L packagename
[15:06] <genii> Will list all the files it installs and their paths
[15:08] <genii> Also, before you use the locate command, might want to issue the updatedb command
[15:08] <geo88> oh perfect! there are a lot of directories for me to explore but now i won't be doing it aimlessly.
[15:09] <geo88> i'm going to have a full cheat sheet of commands soon.
[15:10] <genii> geo88: If you want to do the reverse ( find what package a file belongs to) use: dpkg -S /path-to/filename  ...instead
[15:12] <geo88> genii: thank you!
[15:13] <genii> np
[15:17] <teward> that too
[15:51] <geo88> i don't know if i'll ever be proficient enough at this stuff to accomplish what i need.  besides web browsing, all i need this computer to do is stream video to an xbox.  any suggestions? =/
[15:51] <geo88> minidlna never showed the files but it connected, ushare couldn't play mp4s, and now i'm trying plex
[15:51] <holstein> what does the xbox need?
[15:52] <geo88> upnp server for videos
[15:52] <holstein> nothing about linux is preventing that
[15:52] <holstein> you are wanting to serve the files on a linux machine? and have the xbox play them?
[15:53] <holstein> i would think the xbox would see samba shares, have you tried?
[15:53] <holstein> !samba
[15:53] <holstein> maybe sure you can simply ping each other, and are on the same subnet, etc.. basic networking troubleshooting
[15:54] <geo88> i'll check that out holstein!
[15:54] <holstein> i'll be on the inside of my router, and simply disable all firewalls, for testing purposes.. i'll make sure i can ping each machine from each other..
[15:55] <holstein> i'll make sure im sharing files that the proprietary device i have no control over can play, and promises support for
[15:56] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xbox360Media will be the most relevant, i would say
[15:56] <holstein> the key being "There are currently no means for Linux to satisfy the Setup Key requirement, and you will not be able to make your updated Xbox 360 talk to your Linux machine."
[15:56] <holstein> so, if you are in that situation, you will need to ask microsoft to allow you to do what you are trying to do
[15:58] <holstein> personally, i had a much better time when i stopped trying to make linux fit in with other, more proprietary devices and software environments
[15:59] <geo88> such a pickle.  xp works fine for this but it's old and i want something stable and secure so i'm trying my best on lubuntu
[15:59] <holstein> if i bring a windows machine in, it has to speak ssh, rather than the other way around
[15:59] <holstein> geo88: sure.. but, the situation is, all of lubuntu is completely open.. all of linux.. so, if microsoft wants, they can allow this to happen, easily
[16:00] <holstein> they may not, since, its in the company interest for you to purchase another device, or product from them..
[16:00] <holstein> there is nothing wrong with that.. its just business.. but, for you, you may need to think more about linux support, from the start.. or, "hack" at the xbox.. or down grade it..
[16:01] <holstein> these days, i try and purchase with linux support in mind.. and, as much as possible, with open standards in mind..
[16:01] <holstein> the *only* reason you are having issues streaming anything to that xbox is a business decision, not hardware or software limitation..
[16:02] <suncokret> i want to change PC, this have chipset intel q965 , graphic gma 3000, audio realtec... newer will have chipset intel q45, gma 4500, audio realtec... i will use same HD on newer machine... will Lubuntu which is installed on older machine work on newer machine?
[16:03] <holstein> suncokret: you mean, will linux.. and typically, yes. the linux kernel will just recognize different hardware like that.. the kernel is modular
[16:03] <suncokret> so linux recognize new hardware without problems?
[16:03] <holstein> where you may have issues is, if you install a proprietary GPU driver, and configure the system to use that module.. then, when you move, the different hardware is a different GPU.. that doesnt support the current kernel module
[16:04] <holstein> suncokret: it will be up to the hardware manufacturer to *promise* you that it will work with linux.. but, what im saying is, typically, since the kernel is modular, then, yes, it will be easily move-able
[16:04] <suncokret> this intel gma 3000 don't use proprietary drivers
[16:04] <holstein> suncokret: it literally wont hurt to try it, and *before* the move, remove or uninstall any proprietary modules you have configured
[16:04] <suncokret> so it will not be problem
[16:05] <holstein> suncokret: so, it should not be a problem
[16:05] <suncokret> i don't have have proprietery drivers
[16:05] <holstein> it will work, as a new, live, or fresh install would work
[16:06] <suncokret> gma 3000 and gma 4500 are probably similar graphic cards
[16:06] <holstein> doesnt matter
[16:06] <suncokret> great
[16:06] <holstein> since, the kernel is modular, and the drivers that either support those devices, or not, are basically baked into the modular kernel
[16:07] <holstein> you dont install a driver for either, so, either the hardware supports linux, or not
[16:07] <holstein> you will make backups before the migration, regardless.. since *all* hard drives will fail.. and you will be prepared for when that happens, and be able to attempt the move without worry
[16:08] <suncokret> i have positions saved with clonezilla and norton ghost
[16:08] <suncokret> :)
[16:08] <holstein> so, you literally have nothing to lose to simply try it
[16:08] <suncokret> and as i say, i will use this hard disk
[16:09] <holstein> if the hardware doesnt explicitly promise linux support, then, you will just have to try it, and see
[16:09] <suncokret> so that can't be problem
[16:09] <suncokret> this surely have linux support, because it is intel chipsets with intel graphic cards
[16:10] <suncokret> brand name office PC
[16:10] <holstein> suncokret: "surely" is different than a company promising you support
[16:10] <holstein> suncokret: either they do, or not.. and if its not.. then, its community support, and that can be challenging.. or, can have compromises
[16:11] <holstein> linux is completely open for anyone to fully support
[16:11] <suncokret> i mean to say that there is quality open source drivers for this chipsets and graphic
[16:12] <suncokret> so i don't worry
[16:12] <holstein> if there are, then, they are baked into the kernel in lubuntu
[16:13] <suncokret> i just didn't know that linux kernel is modular to recognize new hardware, so i came to ask you
[16:13] <suncokret> :)
[16:15] <suncokret> do you save partition images of installed and configured lubuntu with clonezilla?
[16:16] <holstein> i dont image, personally
[16:16] <holstein> i backup my data..
[16:17] <suncokret> save partition as images are great thing, you can backup fresh installed and configured system for about 5 minutes
[16:19] <holstein> im not saying, nor implying a lack of greatness
[16:19] <holstein> what im saying is, i dont need image backups, so i dont do them.. i just backup the actual data..
[16:19] <holstein> when i need an image, i make one.. but, i seldom need that level of backup..
[16:22] <suncokret> i understand, i like to have os partition backup in case if i make some damage in os :)
[16:23] <suncokret> image not use much space, about 1,4 gb


[18:29] <akgraner> hey all just  - just add your links and information to the templates that are there  now  - I'll clean it all up and get it sorted out tonight/tomorrow
[18:30] <akgraner> andyrogers will be helping edit and publish tomorrow , if there is anyone else who wants to help tomorrow - please please please  let me know - and I'll try to be online as early as possible tomorrow and stay as late as I can (so maybe 5-6 hours)
[18:31] <akgraner> bbiab :-)  family time
[19:20] <nhandler> akgraner: Cool, glad you found andyrogers to help (frees up my Sunday a bit)
[22:51] <nhandler> As a heads up, expect to see several emails from me before the end of the weekend asking for feedback on several topics