[08:23] <jam> morning all
[08:25] <jelmer> hi jam
[08:25] <jam> hi jelmer, feeling better?
[08:26] <jelmer> yeah, much better
[08:26] <jam> I still mean to have you come out and visit us in Eindhoven sometime. Maybe after we settle from the sprint?
[08:26] <vila> hi jam, jelmer
[08:26] <jam> hi vila
[08:26] <vila> jelmer: glad you're feeling better !
[08:27] <fullermd> Well, I guess if .eu is here, it must be time for me to go...
[08:28] <jam> fullermd: I didn't think you ever left
[08:28] <fullermd> Well, I'm almost always right, but I'm occasionally left.
[08:28] <vila> fullermd: careful, you may end up falling asleep
[08:29] <jelmer> jam: Yeah, me too
[08:29] <fullermd> Sleep?  I just did that _last_ week...
[08:29] <jelmer> 'morning vila, fullermd
[08:33] <vila> maxb: wrong revid used in bug #795703 (but the tags have been deleted nevertheless)
[08:35] <vila> maxb: I won't apply the other ones until you give feedback
[08:55] <maxb> vila: Oh dear, do I fail at copy paste?
[08:56] <maxb> gnome-mousetrap, right?
[08:56] <vila> maxb: That's my fear :-/ (I know I often fail there because of my unusual setup where the clipboard content can randomly (really ? :-/) be wrong so some copies are lost and I end up pasting an old value...
[08:56] <vila> well, often is exaggerated but that's not rare enough to be really annoying
[08:57] <maxb> Oh,yes. The revid I put for gnome-mousetrap is the same as the one from git-buildpackage above
[08:58] <maxb> I think the I and K commands should all be safe, since I was wise to the problem by then - but apparently I missed one instance near the beginning
[08:59] <vila> maxb: yes, I saw the duplicate but had of course no idea what the right one could be
[09:00] <maxb> I've updated the bug now
[09:00] <vila> cool
[09:00] <maxb> For some reason, qbzr seems particularly prone to copy / paste weirdness
[09:00] <maxb> Maybe that's what I get for using one Qt app in a Gnome desktop
[09:05] <maxb> oh. I failed, with the same revid, for gphoto2 and gst-plugins-base-0.10 too
[09:05]  * maxb sorts
[09:06] <maxb> and apparently I fixed gnumeric on breezy, but now it's failing on hoary-security
[09:12] <maxb> Whilst you're on jubany, could you also requeue --full ubuntu-defaults-builder ?
[09:12] <vila> maxb: done
[09:13] <vila> maxb: +1 for requeue in fixit.sh, it even allow c/p from IRC... :-p
[09:14] <vila> maxb: almost a natural language UI (for some geek value of natural ;)
[09:14] <maxb> I was just thinking something like that :-)
[09:17] <maxb> vila: You saw my updated commands for gst-plugins-base0.10 gphoto2 gnome-mousetrap?
[09:18] <maxb> (Just wanting to be sure since they partially interleaved with your comments on the bug)
[09:20] <vila> maxb: gphoto2 and gst-plugins-base done
[09:21] <vila> maxb: that's an interesting experiment, let's keep posting there if only to capture what happened (errors included)
[09:21] <vila> and *of course* no offense intended, I hope that's clear
[09:22] <vila> I *expect* errors
[09:22] <vila> that's why I wanted to capture recipes in fixit.sh
[09:23] <vila> I know no better way to design UI...
[09:23] <vila> maxb: also, any error should end up in some trace at http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ right ?
[09:24] <vila> or can there be some fallouts for users with local branches ?
[09:27] <maxb> Thanks, that's looking better - but, did you miss my comment #16 for gnome-mousetrap?
[09:27] <vila> ha crap, yeah, it seems
[09:27] <maxb> oh,
[09:27] <maxb> maybe not
[09:27] <vila> err
[09:28]  * vila blinks
[09:28] <maxb> ah, you did the tags, but not the requeue
[09:28] <vila> my comment appears *after* yours ?
[09:29] <maxb> Right - sorry.
[09:29] <maxb> I was attempting to match up the failures page and the bug
[09:29]  * vila notes to use two pages: one to copy/ one to paste
[09:29] <maxb> So, you did in fact do my second fixup to gnome-mousetrap's tags, but did you requeue it again?
[09:30] <vila> yeah, a real UI involving a single user would probably address these cases
[09:30] <vila> maxb: yup, I just requeued it
[09:30] <maxb> great!
[09:30] <maxb> so
[09:30] <maxb> :-)
[09:31] <vila> nice number, let's stop there ! :D
[09:31] <maxb> hmm
[09:34] <vila> magcius: ha, just found your comment on #714622
[09:34] <vila> gha
[09:34] <vila> magcius: sorry
[09:34] <vila> maxb: ha, just found your comment on #714622
[09:34]  * magcius looks up bug #714622
[09:34] <vila> double gha
[09:35] <vila> magcius: wrong nick completion, sorry for the noise
[09:42] <vila> rhaa, what's the bug # for selftest not using python provided definition for number of available processors/threads ?
[09:49] <jelmer> vila: are you sure we have one? IIRC we only use the python provided one in some cases
[09:50] <vila> oh, may be a fix has landed, let me check the annotations
[09:51] <jelmer> I landed a fix for the number of processors on *BSD earlier
[09:51] <vila> ha right, no bug, but that's revno 5683 by... you :)
[09:51] <vila> yup, I thought that was still pending
[09:51] <vila> could be cleanup up now that we require py26
[09:55] <vila> hmm, the python impl slightly diverge from our fallback... (sunos5 and even darwin)
[09:55] <vila> ok, forget about it
[11:43] <lifeless> poolie: bzr: failed to report crash using apport:
[11:43] <lifeless>      OSError(17, 'File exists')
[11:43] <lifeless> poolie: have you seen that before?
[11:47] <jelmer> lifeless: I've seen it before on occasion, but I'm not sure what causes it
[12:00] <jdobrien> lifeless, he's here in orlando AFAIK
[12:03] <lifeless> jdobrien: yes, he is
[13:40] <briandealwis> git users: is there a git equivalent of bzr's append_revisions_only?
[13:48] <jelmer> briandealwis, I'm not sure how it works exactly, but I think the term you're looking for is "fast forward only"
[13:49] <briandealwis> jelmer: thx for the pointer
[15:33] <RobOakes> Good morning. Is anyone aware of a tutorial that describes how to keep packaging information and the source code of a project in separate branches?
[15:34] <RobOakes> I am trying to set up a launchpad recipe similar to the one shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bG-SXNX9Ww
[15:36] <RobOakes> My biggest problem is that my packaging branch and my code branch don't share a common ancestor. Is there any way around this? (I don't want all of my source history as part of the packaging branch, just the debian folder.)
[15:39] <jelmer> RobOakes: you can use the nest command if you don't want them to have shared history
[15:41] <RobOakes> What would be the best way to do this? Do I need to create a new branch with the nesting command?
[15:41] <RobOakes> Sorry, my knowledge of bzr is pretty basic. I basically use it like SVN, and you can't do fancy stuff in SVN.
[15:44] <jelmer> RobOakes, the nest command would be in the recipe
[15:44] <jelmer> RobOakes: I usually just merge the source history into the packaging branch, is there any reason you don't want to do that?
[15:45] <RobOakes> Yes, it's due to size.  The program I'm packaging, LyX, has 20 years of development history and some 300,000 commits.
[15:46] <RobOakes> I'm actually curious if I can do a lightweight checkout with the source so I don't have to wait for the entire source history to download. (On my local machine.)
[15:49] <RobOakes> Would the nest line look something like this: merge packaging nest lp:~...
[15:51] <jelmer> no, it would be nest rather than merge
[15:52] <RobOakes> Okay. Is there a difference between nest-part and nest?
[15:53] <RobOakes> (bzr help is being less than helpful and Bug report which discusses them doesn't delve into the differences.)
[16:03] <maxb> You'd use nest if the debian/ directory *was* the packaging branch, nest-part if the debian/ directory was contained within the packaging branch
[16:03] <maxb> i.e. whether you need to nest a whole branch or just a subtree of one
[16:09] <RobOakes> Okay, so something like this: nest packaging lp:~lyx-outline-devel/+junk/lyx-debian debian?
[16:10] <RobOakes> If I wanted to place the entire contents of lyx-debian into a folder called debian?
[16:36] <poolie> lifeless: hi, it's vaguely familiar, the thing would be to work out which file or line is raising it
[16:45] <jelmer> 'morning poolie
[16:54] <poolie> hi there jelmer
[17:19] <jamdahl> Hi everyone, I'm having some difficulty with bazaar allowing out of date checkouts to make commits
[17:21] <maxb> Can you elaborate on what you mean?
[17:30] <jamdahl> Ok, so I have a project initialized to a central location
[17:30] <jamdahl> and 2 separate checkouts of that
[17:30] <jamdahl> Checkout 1 makes an edit and commits
[17:31] <jamdahl> Checkout 2 makes a conflicting edit and commits
[17:32] <jamdahl> My problem is that checkout 2 got no warning and was allowed to commit
[17:44] <jamdahl> any ideas?
[17:52] <jelmer> jamdahl, how were the checkouts created?
[17:54] <jamdahl> bzr checkout remotedirectory localdirectory
[17:55] <LarstiQ> evening
[17:57] <lamalex> hi, does bzr grep search history? is there a plugin that will grep a projects history for some pattern/lines of code?
[18:04] <jelmer> jamdahl: that's odd - what happened to the contents of the remote branch?
[18:05] <maxb> jamdahl: Are you sure no one used "bzr branch", "bzr unbind" or "bzr commit --local" anywhere in this?
[18:07] <jamdahl> I'm testing this so I did it all myself.  None of those commands were used
[18:07] <jamdahl> bzr checkout was used for checkout, bzr qcommit was used for commit
[18:09] <LarstiQ> lamalex: afaik that is exactly what bzr-grep does
[18:09] <lamalex> LarstiQ, i guess i just need to give it revs to search
[18:10] <lamalex> expected it to just automatically search backwards through history
[18:10] <LarstiQ> lamalex: doesn't `bzr help grep` say?
[18:10]  * LarstiQ installs it
[18:11] <LarstiQ> lamalex: if you don't specify a revision, and also not a filename, it seems to grep through history
[18:12] <LarstiQ> or maybe the help can use some rewording
[18:12] <jamdahl> I think I have narrowed down the problem actually
[18:12] <jamdahl> or at least part of it
[18:12] <jamdahl> apparently when I am calling commit, diff, and some of the other commands it isn't doing it on the entire checkout
[18:13] <jamdahl> The project I'm version controlling is a spreadsheet with the VBA code exported.  The spreadsheet is in the main directory  and the vba code is in subfolders
[18:13] <lamalex> LarstiQ, hm.. I mean it just outputs (for me) what's in the current rev without any rev numbers or anything
[18:14] <lamalex> unclear if it goes through branches that were merged and so on
[18:14] <jamdahl> It seems like much of the time when I call for a commit or try to check diff, it doesn't notice the change to the spreadsheet
[18:14] <LarstiQ> lamalex: ok, needs some rewording then. -r to the rescue!
[18:14]  * LarstiQ heads for dinner
[18:14] <lamalex> thanks
[20:42] <poolie> hullo all
[20:43] <lifeless> hi
[20:45] <poolie> hi there
[20:58] <LarstiQ> hi poolie, lifeless
[21:00] <lifeless> hi LarstiQ
[21:05] <jelmer> nåvond
[21:06] <LarstiQ> hey jelmer :)
[21:46] <maxb> jelmer: FYI bzr-builddeb r571 "Merge cleanup of DistributionBranch upstream attributes." causes problems for the udd importer - I guess that needs a related update. What were your intentions re compatibility there?
[21:47] <jelmer> maxb, I hadn't realized I had broken the udd importer - will have a look now.
[21:48] <milleja46> hi
[21:48] <maxb> jelmer: If you look in the importer's make_db_set, there's a construction of DistributionBranch with a None second argument - I think the blame is there
[21:49] <maxb> milleja46: hello
[21:49] <milleja46> i need to pull some updates for a project but i don't know how to set the bzr_ssh variable...what would the bzr_ssh variable be?
[21:49]  * milleja46 remembers he has to have pagent loaded XD
[21:49] <maxb> jelmer: "./import_package.py --no-existing --no-push python-oauth" is a relatively quick reproducer
[21:49] <maxb> milleja46: Oh. Windows. I don't know about that stuff :-)
[21:53] <LarstiQ> milleja46: iirc it doesn't always need to be set
[21:53] <LarstiQ> milleja46: but one option is "plink"
[21:56] <milleja46> LarstiQ: i know but i think i'd forgotten that i needed to have pagent running XD
[21:56] <LarstiQ> milleja46: ah right
[21:58] <milleja46> LarstiQ: is there a way to add plink to environment variables so that i don't have to set it again?
[22:01] <LarstiQ> milleja46: iirc there is an "Environment Variables" setting somewhere in System
[22:01] <LarstiQ> milleja46: you can add BZR_SSH=plink there
[22:02] <milleja46> so in the value part put bzr_ssh=plink?
[22:02] <milleja46> or just plink?
[22:49] <jelmer> maxb, fixed
[22:50] <jelmer> maxb, thanks for the reminder
[22:50] <maxb> awesome, thanks
[22:51] <maxb> bleh
[22:51] <maxb> I've found the bug which results in all these misplaced tags w.r.t the importer's meta
[22:52] <james_w> oooh
[22:52] <james_w> tell me
[22:52] <maxb> The importer is quite capable of moving tags.... but it only sends them back to launchpad using merge_tags_if_possible, mostly
[22:52] <james_w> ah
[22:53] <james_w> not sure it should be moving tags normally though should it?
[22:53] <maxb> an example is the iscsitarget import I'm trying to repair
[22:53] <maxb> It collided in maverick, so it push --overwrote that.
[22:54] <james_w> ah
[22:54] <james_w> collisions, of course
[22:54] <maxb> But, natty and oneiric were just straight pulls from what went before, so they kept the old tag
[23:06] <zyga> I'm trying to implement something equivalent to `bzr pull` using bzrlib
[23:06] <zyga> my simple code seems to work but it prints "unknown command commit"
[23:07] <systemclient> how can I tell bzr that I want to run astyle *.java before every commit?
[23:07] <zyga> am I missing something obvious?
[23:08] <zyga> here is my code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/631467/
[23:09] <lifeless> systemclient: a start_commit hook
[23:12] <zyga> lifeless, could you please have a look at my code and tell me if I'm missing something obvious (or there is an easier method of doing that apart from shelling out to bzr)
[23:12] <systemclient> lifeless: so I basically write a little python script that calls a shell command?
[23:12] <lifeless> zyga: I don't see where you are committing to trigger that error
[23:12] <lifeless> zyga: unknown command will be because you haven't loaded the bzr built in command classes (see bzrlib/command.py)
[23:13] <zyga> lifeless, I have no idea either, I'm running on daily bzr
[23:13] <lifeless> systemclient: yes, - can be very tiny
[23:13] <zyga> lifeless, let me reinstall bzr just in case
[23:13] <lifeless> systemclient: there are folk that have written generic call-shell-command implementations of the core hooks
[23:13] <lifeless> systemclient: I don't recall where they are offhand
[23:14] <zyga> lifeless, could I be initializing bzrlib incorrectly somehow?
[23:14] <poolie> we should really merge that
[23:15] <lifeless> well, you're definitely doing it a bit oddly
[23:15] <lifeless> poolie: it had security issues
[23:15] <zyga> lifeless, ah, it must have been coming from one of my plugins, sorry for the noise
[23:16] <zyga> lifeless, I wish I could do it easier but there is a bug in the way normal initialization works (I posted about this to the mailing list recently)
[23:16] <lifeless> zyga: you probably want to use bzrlib.initialize
[23:16] <lifeless> ah yes
[23:16] <zyga> lifeless, then fix it :>
[23:16] <lifeless> that surprised me
[23:17] <lifeless> zyga: you are as capable of that as me :>
[23:17] <zyga> lifeless, would you accept a simple fix without unit tests? I don't feel skilled in bzr internals enough to test this
[23:17] <poolie> zyga: if you want it to do what 'bzr pull' does' it would be easiest to just run run_bzr(['pull', ...])
[23:18] <zyga> poolie, run_bzr, I never saw that before, let me have a look
[23:18] <lifeless> zyga: you probably want to call bzrlib.commands.install_bzr_command_hooksI()
[23:18] <lifeless> zyga: that will register commit etc
[23:18] <lifeless> zyga: do that before you call load_plugins
[23:20] <zyga> lifeless, thanks, applied
[23:20] <zyga> lifeless, is there a way to initialize just the launchpad plugin?
[23:20] <zyga> lifeless, I would like to shield the system from random plugins users may have (and speed up oprations)
[23:20] <lifeless> bzrlib.plugin.set_plugin_path(); import bzrlib.plugins.launchpad
[23:20] <zyga> lifeless, awesome!
[23:20] <lifeless> (something like that)


[00:00] <Jeren> http://img.joshspadd.com/screen1.jpg
[00:01] <Jeren> ^ The screenshot, as requested
[00:02] <Jeren> I wanted Webmin so I could have some kind of graphical interface to work with for the system. It worked fine on 7.10
[00:03] <cody-somerville> If you create a new account, is it all messed up like this too?
[00:05] <Jeren> I haven't tried.
[00:05] <Jeren> I only know how to make new accounts via the Users option in the menu
[00:05] <Jeren> And I have a couple minutes before my coworker locks up the office...so... I'm assuming this won't be fixed soon?
[00:05] <cody-somerville> Jeren, I wouldn't want to rush anything.
[00:06] <cody-somerville> Jeren, However please come back soon and we can fix your issue.
[00:06] <Jeren> Well, my next day in the office is Monday... and we'll see how everyone's patience is this week <.<
[00:06] <Jeren> Thanks for your help.
[00:07] <cody-somerville> Oh.
[00:07] <cody-somerville> Wait
[00:07] <cody-somerville> Is this going to be used by other people?
[00:07] <Jeren> Not the desktop, no.
[00:07] <cody-somerville> Oh, okay.
[00:07] <Jeren> But I am using the box for some web development that I'm supposed to have done soon
[00:08] <Jeren> Hence the Apache/PHP/MySQL
[00:08] <cody-somerville> If that was the case and you were in a crunch, I'd tell you to setup ssh and I'd do it for you.
[00:08] <Jeren> Nah, its alright.
[00:08]  * cody-somerville nods.
[00:08] <Jeren> Probably wouldn't have the time to do that anyways... :P
[00:08] <Jeren> But thanks again. I'll be back soon.
[00:08] <cody-somerville> *waves*
[00:23] <Mortis> D:
[00:24] <Mortis> TheSheep: I am still having problems with my xubuntu/ubuntu installs.
[00:24] <cody-somerville> Mortis, whats your problem?
[00:25] <Mortis> Anytime I try to install Ubuntu
[00:25] <Mortis> It loads the splash screen and goes to BusyBox
[00:25] <Mortis> I'm doing it natively
[00:26] <Mortis> With version 8.04. Someone told me to try Gutsy and then update to Hardy
[00:32] <Mortis> Meh
[00:32] <cody-somerville> Mortis, One second please.
[00:33] <cody-somerville> Mortis, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768933
[00:36] <Mortis> Cheers
[00:36] <Mortis> I'll try this
[00:38] <Mortis> Ugh
[00:38] <Mortis> I wish I could read this as I am booting up Ubuntu
[00:38] <Mortis> heh
[00:38] <zoredache> you could print it maybe?
[00:40] <Mortis> No printer
[00:40] <Mortis> heh
[00:40] <Mortis> Agh. This didn't help at all :-/
[00:41] <Mortis> I've done what the guy has been saying to do.
[00:41] <Mortis> Most of it is him asking for error logs
[00:41] <Mortis> But, he said it's a general error with 8.04 that is beyond his domain.
[00:41] <cody-somerville> Well, I'd like to see what the error messages are.
[00:41] <Mortis> Okay.
[00:41] <Mortis> I'll try.
[00:42] <Mortis> Let me write this stuff down first.
[00:44] <Mortis> I'll be back in a minute.
[00:51] <greg__> hi
[00:51] <cody-somerville> Hi
[00:52] <greg__> there anyway to get evga indtube tuner to work?
[00:52] <cathartia> How do I lock my screen?
[00:54] <lc2> sec
[00:54] <lc2> shit, xubuntu doesn't use xscreensaver?
[00:54] <cathartia> I used to have a screensaver - now it doesn't come up
[00:55] <cathartia> I used to be able to lock my screen with ctrl-alt-delete but now it doesn't work
[00:55] <lc2> oh.
[00:56] <lc2> you can create a shortcut to gnome-screensaver-command --lock
[00:56] <lc2> i suppose
[00:57] <lc2> except here, it doesn't seem to think that the screensaver daemon is running
[00:57] <cathartia> ** Message: Failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.
[00:57] <Mortis> I'm back with errors!
[00:57] <Mortis> Ok. So, these came up numerous times in the casper.log
[00:58] <Mortis> stdin: I/O error
[00:58] <Mortis> init: /init: 1: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found
[00:59] <Mortis> That error came up numerous times, but sdc was different each time. It came up as sdd, sdc, sde, sdf, plenty of times
[00:59] <lc2> wow what
[00:59] <cody-somerville> It looks like it can't detect your drive.
[01:00] <Mortis> Gosh darnit...
[01:00] <Mortis> Is it because my drive is NTFS?
[01:00] <cody-somerville> I'm thinking it can't find your cd-rom drive
[01:00] <cody-somerville> but I could be wrong
[01:00] <Mortis> Oh.
[01:00] <Mortis> Well the thing is, it opens perfectly fine in windows. The autorun
[01:01] <Mortis> But that's probably completely unrelated to installing natively.
[01:01] <cody-somerville> Try installing with wubi
[01:01] <Mortis> I did. I don't want to do it again. It limited me to 6 gigs of space...for all of linux
[01:01] <Mortis> I couldn't partition it either.
[01:01] <cody-somerville> They may have updated that
[01:01] <cody-somerville> and you can still access ntfs from within it
[01:01] <Mortis> It was just yesterday :-/
[01:01] <cody-somerville> so you get the rest of your drive
[01:02] <cody-somerville> but be warned that if you shutdown windows incorrectly then Linux won't boot because the ntfs drive will be marked as dirty, lol
[01:02] <Mortis> Well, if I do install thru Wubi again, I'll need your help partitioning my drive so I have at least 30 gigs for Linux.
[01:02] <Mortis> Maybe 25. I have 55 gigs free on my D: drive, so.
[01:03] <cody-somerville> Mortis, I doubt you'll need my help
[01:03] <Mortis> I don't know
[01:03] <cody-somerville> Mortis, you'll just resize your windows partition and create an ext3 partition with the new empty space
[01:03] <cody-somerville> It is basically a click, drag, click click click operation :)
[01:03] <Mortis> That's where you're wrong, I will. XD
[01:03] <Mortis> This is my first time talking about partitioning or using Linux
[01:03] <Mortis> SO. I'm quiet uninformed when it comes to this.
[01:04] <cody-somerville> Ok
[01:04] <Mortis> When I had installed through wubi before, I was told that it wasn't even running Linux as an OS.
[01:04] <cody-somerville> I hope you don't lose any of your data
[01:04] <cody-somerville> Thats not true
[01:04] <Mortis> It was more like an App, and that it didn't really have any physical space on my drive
[01:04] <cody-somerville> No, incorrect.
[01:04] <cody-somerville> Have you ever heard of a swap file?
[01:04] <Mortis> Nope.
[01:04] <cody-somerville> Okay
[01:05] <cody-somerville> Well, basically, it is just creating one big special file on your windows hard drive to store linux
[01:05] <cody-somerville> But you're still really running linux when you boot into it
[01:05] <Mortis> That's what I thought. Cause when I went to look for my linux folder, it wasn't there.
[01:05] <Mortis> It was just a bunch of unrecognizable files
[01:05] <Mortis> Anyways, I'm pretty sure I'll need help partitioning.
[01:05] <lc2> Mortis: when you install wubi, you *aren't partitioning*
[01:06] <lc2> you're creating a giant file on your NTFS disk
[01:06] <Mortis> Well then I don't want to do that, because then I can't change the size of space it uses.
[01:06] <lc2> there is nothing to go wrong
[01:06] <cody-somerville> aestetix, `23AZ23
[01:06] <lc2> and yes, you can change the amount of space it uses, at installation
[01:06] <shane__> any one know if we have an equivalent to the app Folder Lock
[01:06] <Mortis> It never asked before :-/
[01:06] <lc2> but it's not "partionining" as such
[01:06] <Mortis> I'll try this again.
[01:06] <lc2> Mortis: it does ask
[01:07] <Mortis> The highest I can go is 30 gigs. :-/
[01:07] <Mortis> What if I want to go higher than that?
[01:07] <cody-somerville> Mortis, You can create a real linux partition if you want
[01:07] <Mortis> Which is what I want to do.
[01:07] <Mortis> I don't know why, but I really don't like the idea of Wubi.
[01:08] <cody-somerville> And for good reason :)
[01:08] <Mortis> I guess it's just me wanting to learn more about partitioning and Linux
[01:08] <Mortis> So I don't get stuck in this "lulz noob" stage with Wubi.
[01:08] <Mortis> By just running everything like windows.
[01:08] <Mortis> Well, not like windows
[01:08] <Mortis> but
[01:09] <Mortis> I feel like I'm not learning anything by using a windows installer for a completely different OS.
[01:09] <lc2> Mortis: seems to me that using it is more important than installing it
[01:09] <lc2> you know?
[01:09] <Mortis> Well yes, but my point is, I want to learn something from this instead of taking the easy way out
[01:10] <Mortis> I want to learn about partitioning and codes using Linux
[01:10] <Mortis> That came out wrong.
[01:10] <lc2> Mortis: i think that's overrated, tbh
[01:11] <Mortis> Eh. Either way, I'd much rather have a partition for Linux than have a swap file
[01:11] <lc2> k.
[01:11] <Mortis> If worst comes to worst, I'll have to resort to Wubi.
[01:11] <lc2> or another distro
[01:11] <Mortis> Yes, but I really don't like the looks of any of the other ones.
[01:12] <zoredache> Mortis: you could play around inside vmware... it will give you closer to a 'real-world' experience then wubi
[01:12] <Mortis> BWAHHAHA
[01:12] <Mortis> A blessing! More blank CDs!
[01:12] <lc2> Mortis: win
[01:12] <lc2> Mortis: have you thought about installing a 32-bit version?
[01:12] <Mortis> That's the version I have right now.
[01:13] <Mortis> The only 64bit version of anything I have tried to install is Xubuntu.
[01:13] <cody-somerville> Mortis, did your error log look like this?:
[01:13] <cody-somerville> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10172960/casper.log
[01:13] <Mortis> Pretty much.
[01:13] <Mortis> Wait, no.
[01:14] <Mortis> I didn't have the fda: No such devices found error
[01:14] <Mortis> Mine said "sdc: No medium found"
[01:14] <Mortis> And mine didn't have stdin: error 0
[01:14] <Mortis> Nevermind, no mine looked nothing like that.
[01:14] <Mortis> lol
[01:15] <Mortis> I'm going to try Gutsy, and see if I can update to hardy, let alone get Gutsy installed.
[01:15] <cody-somerville> the numbers and letter for the files might be different
[01:15] <lc2> Mortis: you mentioned an error with stdin though
[01:15] <cody-somerville> but the rest is the same, right?
[01:16] <Mortis> Yes
[01:16] <Mortis> No
[01:16] <Mortis> I didn't have chroot errors
[01:17] <lc2> Mortis: the chroot errors are related to the sort of problem you have
[01:17] <Mortis> My stdin error was stdin: I/O error
[01:17] <Mortis> What is the diagnosis for that problem then?
[01:17] <Mortis> Bad drive?
[01:18] <lc2> ask that guy --->
[01:18] <cody-somerville> Mortis, Are you using the live cd or alternative?
[01:18] <Mortis> livecd
[01:18] <Mortis> The alternative doesn't mount
[01:18] <Mortis> and it says it can't find the 'release' file.
[01:19] <Mortis> It gets to the installation thugh, at least.
[01:21] <Mortis> Well, I have 50 CDs now. I'm going to try and install Gutsy, then update to Hardy.
[01:21] <Mortis> This is only going to work through trial and error.
[01:21] <Mortis> 8-B
[01:21] <lc2> Mortis: if they're a different brand of CD, try burning the alternative install again
[01:22] <lc2> it could just be crappy cds
[01:22] <cody-somerville> Mortis, This is Hardy you're attempting to install thus far?
[01:23] <jokoon> Hello
[01:23] <cody-somerville> Hi
[01:24] <jokoon> bluetooth not working in xubuntu, what can I do ?
[01:25] <cody-somerville> One second
[01:25] <Mortis> Yes Cody.
[01:25] <Mortis> Also, I was using Memorex CDs before. I'm about to use Sony now.
[01:25] <cody-somerville> jokoon, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[01:25] <cody-somerville> Mortis, I don't think the installer is correctly detecting your cd-rom drive
[01:25] <Mortis> What can I do about it?
[01:26] <cody-somerville> please join #ubuntu-installer
[01:26] <Mortis> Okay, I'm in it.
[06:14] <nubuntu> hey guys wassup 2nite.  having a little prob with google earth.  installed it on this machine with seemingly no prob, but when it started up dialog box suggested that graphics card needed new driver, so i went thru the process of finding my card (tnt2 legacy), and then installed the legacy driver from 'add-remove', followed by sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' as per instruction.  but now earth...
[06:14] <nubuntu> ...crashes on startup, and seemingly some other things as well... any ideas?
[11:32] <colinl> Hi
[11:32] <colinl> I'm getting stupid popups when plugging in USB removables devices
[11:32] <colinl> "org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-removable, no <-- (action, result)"
[11:32] <colinl> from what I gathered it comes from PolicyKit
[11:33] <colinl> anyone else has that?
[13:54] <hyppias> which mobile phone brands  have good linux support ?
[13:55] <colinl> hyppias: I've had success with Sony ericcson and motorola
[13:55] <colinl> I'd guess Nokia, too, but didn't try any since ages
[13:55] <hyppias> colinl; NOKIA IS BAAAAAD: GNOKII IS RATHER LIMITED, AND NOKIA ITSELF DOES NOT PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR LINUX
[13:56] <hyppias> oops..sorry
[13:58] <colinl> ^^
[13:58] <colinl> hyppias: sony ericcson doesn't either (provide support), but they stick to standards so it works
[13:59] <colinl> (phone as modem works, mass storage works)
[13:59] <colinl> I don't use other features like PIM
[14:00] <hyppias> I tried Gnokii on Nokia, but it's rather limited...
[16:00] <excalibas> hello, i did a fresh install of xubuntu hardy, and i a am having some problems mounting partitions, xubuntu cant mount
[16:00] <excalibas> ups
[16:01] <excalibas> it doesnt mount automatic the outher partitions on the hd
[16:01] <excalibas> and if i put a usb hd it mounts but cant unmount (eject)
[16:02] <excalibas> is there a easy way to fix this please?
[16:02] <vinnl> excalibas, you could try to check if a bug is reported at bugs.ubuntu.com and perhaps if there's a workaround in the comments
[16:02] <vinnl> But I wouldn't know a solution :(
[16:03] <excalibas> or mabie a hard one.... if someone can point me any direction would be great
[16:03] <excalibas> vinnl: will see that
[16:04] <excalibas> vinnl: i dont really know what i should look for
[16:05] <vinnl> excalibas, me neither, really. A combination of "mount", "xubuntu" and USB perhaps
[16:10] <excalibas> vinnl: and about the automatic mounting of internal paritions? i should use fstab?
[16:10] <vinnl> excalibas, I think so, but I know nothing about that...
[16:11] <excalibas> ok, thanks
[16:26] <glitsj16> excalibas: yes, use fstab for automount
[16:28] <glitsj16> if you need any assistance doing that, i'll be back in 5 minutes, pm me
[17:47] <AlexCONRAD> hi, I'm trying to autostart an application using ~/.config/autostart/myapp.desktop. In this file, I've set a "Path=/path/to/run/in/" line, but it doesn't seem to take this in account. Ideas?
[17:48] <Zelut> is there an official way of removing the xubuntu-desktop meta package?  I just tried and it didn't pull out anything it added.
[17:51] <Riotta> Zelut
[17:51] <Riotta> it's my favourite question
[17:52] <Riotta> ^^
[17:52] <TheSheep> Zelut: try apt-get autoremove
[17:52] <Zelut> nothing listed..
[17:52] <Zelut> i just used debfoster to manually clean it out, but shouldn't the removal of the meta package also remove its contents?
[17:53] <Riotta> Zelut: what you want to stay ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop ?
[17:53] <TheSheep> Zelut: only using autoremove
[17:53] <Zelut> Riotta: I just installed it parallel to ubuntu-desktop to take a look and then tried removing when I was done.
[17:53] <TheSheep> Zelut: you don't want to be forced to keep everything from xubuntu, right? you want to be able to uninstall gnumeric, for example
[17:54] <Zelut> TheSheep: right. everything xubuntu-desktop added it should also remove, but its not listing anything when I do that other than the meta package itself.
[17:54] <Riotta> here Zelut: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/21441/
[17:54] <Riotta> this command solve your problem
[17:54] <TheSheep> Zelut: apt-get and synpatic keep track of which packages were installed manually and which were pulled in as dependencies. apt-get autoremove will remove the automatically pulled packages that no longer have their depndee
[17:54] <Riotta> it's one big command
[17:55] <TheSheep> Zelut: of course it all breaks in flames if you use aptitude
[17:55] <Zelut> I installed with aptitude which should auto-add and auto-remove (aptitude includes the autoremove option), but nothing was removed.
[17:55] <TheSheep> Zelut: jsut don't use aptitude
[17:55] <TheSheep> just
[17:55] <Riotta> see link I gaved to you
[17:56] <holo> gaved
[17:56] <holo> that was funny
[17:56] <holo> is like double past
[17:56] <holo> so much in the past, that one can hardly remember
[17:56] <TheSheep> holo: English is evolving
[17:56] <Zelut> aptitude remove works for other meta packages so why not xubuntu-desktop?
[17:57] <Riotta> holo: stop trolling :d it's not my native language and I wanna be helpful
[17:57] <holo> I know, but it's still funny
[17:57] <TheSheep> Zelut: no idea, wanna fill a bug?
[17:57] <Riotta> okay :d
[17:58] <Riotta> Zelut: if you installed ubuntu-desktop with aptitude you should only type remove command to remove whole packages
[17:58] <Riotta> like sudo aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop
[17:59] <Riotta> and it should remove all packages from this metapackage
[18:00] <Zelut> Riotta: that's what I'm saying.  Its not working with either method.
[18:00] <Zelut> http://pastebin.ca/1051216
[18:00] <Zelut> example of installing with apt-get, removing and using autoremove.  Nothing is removed.
[18:00] <Riotta> then do this manually: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/21441/
[18:00] <Riotta> it's clean and safe command
[18:01] <Zelut> I understand the differences in apt-get and aptitude regarding auto-removal, etc.  What I'm wondering is if the package is broken so removal doesn't work
[18:01] <Riotta> I don't think so
[18:02] <Riotta> I had few time broken packages and it always removed it
[18:02] <Riotta> it's not RPM, where package database corrupt often
[18:03] <Riotta> technically you should be able to remove even broken package
[18:03] <Zelut> so we don't have any answer to why I might need to remove each package individually?  I've tried with aptitude and apt-get, neither will remove the full contents.
[18:05] <holo> Zelut, you can make a script that check every depend of a package to remove and remove not only the package, but also the depends
[18:06] <holo> and I assure it doesn't take more than some minutes
[18:26] <djouallah> stupid question, where to find audio channel volume
[18:28] <djouallah> ok fine find it ;)
[18:34] <holo> I have a bulgarian friend that when she wants to say a verb in the past, uses the present, though when wants to say in the present uses past... I'm still yet to found out why
[18:41] <TheSheep> !ot | holo
[18:41] <holo> The channel wasn't active anyway
[18:41] <holo> :]
[18:42] <excalibas> how can i disable the login on xubuntu? (no pasword)
[18:43] <TheSheep> excalibas: go to settings->login window and enable automatic login
[18:43] <djouallah> excalibas, setting login manager
[18:44] <excalibas> Thanks :D
[18:48] <excalibas> ups, just lost my xfce4-pannel
[18:50] <excalibas> got it
[19:44] <slow-motion> hi
[20:03] <peter77> I installed the kubuntu desktop by apt-get, I have tried aptitude remove and apt-get autoremove but both have just moved the meta package instead of the entire desktop
[20:11] <TheSheep> peter77: how did you try both?
[20:17] <Stroganoff> peter77: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[20:17] <peter77> Stroganoff, thanx, done :-)
[20:18] <peter77> pure xfce now
[20:18] <peter77> and fluxbox
[20:18] <Stroganoff> n1
[21:56] <slow-motion> n8
[22:05] <blondie> how do you create a script to execute a command?
[22:08] <TheSheep> blondie: you write that command in a text file, and make the file executable
[22:08] <blondie> TheSheep, how do you make it executable?
[22:09] <TheSheep> blondie: that is, you add the 'execute' permission, you can do it by right-clicking, selecting properties and the the last tab
[22:11] <TheSheep> blondie: got it?
[22:11] <blondie> i did it using chmod a+x (filename) and the executable checkbox is checked on the Permissions tab but it still won't run
[22:12] <TheSheep> blondie: how do you run it?
[22:12] <glitsj16> blondie: did you add the she-bang as first line in your script ?
[22:13] <TheSheep> glitsj16: bash in the default when there is no hashbang
[22:13] <glitsj16> TheSheep: true, i don't know what kind of script blondie has made
[22:13] <blondie> glitsj16: no, what's that mean?  !?
[22:14] <TheSheep> blondie: you can specify what program to run it with by typing '#!path-to-theprogram' as the first line, for example #!/bin/bash
[22:14] <blondie> i'm trying to execute a command during boot after all other services have loaded (the very last thing)
[22:15] <glitsj16> blondie: each script is interpreted, the first line i.e. #!/bin/bash is a bash script, #!/usr/bin/perl is a perl script .. the system need to know what's in there, that's the genral idea
[22:15] <TheSheep> blondie: then just add that command to the /etc/rc.local file, before the 'exit'
[22:15] <TheSheep> blondie: be aware that it gets executed with root priviledges though
[22:15] <blondie> TheSheep: i put it in /etc/rc.local/rc.5
[22:16] <blondie> TheSheep: actually, i put a symbolic link to /home/scripts/<scriptname>
[22:16] <TheSheep> blondie: rc.local is supposed to be a file
[22:33] <blondie> It says 'bad interpreter' when I run it from the command line with !#<command>
[22:33] <glitsj16> blondie: could you show the first line here please ?
[22:34] <glitsj16> blondie: it is #! instead of !#, could be a typo you made here, double-check
[22:34] <blondie> !#xm start linux
[22:35] <blondie> I put the executable text file directly instead of a symbolic link FYI
[22:35] <glitsj16> blondie: is xm the command you want to run ?
[22:35] <blondie> xm
[22:35] <glitsj16> and start linux are it's parameters ?
[22:35] <blondie> glitsj16: yes, and it works from the command line
[22:36] <blondie> and even when run from the same directory as the text file
[22:36] <blondie> perhaps BASH is not the right thing?
[22:36] <glitsj16> blondie: what's the location of xm ? /usr/bin or something else ? it needs that path as well
[22:36] <blondie> not sure, how do i find it?
[22:36] <glitsj16> blondie: could be, i'm not familiar with the command xm
[22:37] <glitsj16> "locate xm" from terminal will tell you that
[22:37] <blondie> locate command not found
[22:37] <blondie> oops, it's in /usr/sbin
[22:38] <glitsj16> blondie: and it is in a separate file on its own, not in one of those TheSheep mentioned ?
[22:40] <glitsj16> blondie: if it is, try #!/bin/sh as first line and in your script point to /usr/sbin/xm start linux to run it
[22:40] <blondie> I dont' have a file, I have rc.d and in that i have a folder rc5.d and i put the batch file in there
[22:41] <glitsj16> blondie: ok, add the path to it in that case, /usr/sbin/xm linux start
[22:42] <blondie> I did and it still doesn't run, but it no longer gives an error either
[22:42] <blondie> and, mind you, i'm just typing ./StartVM for now
[22:43] <blondie> oh, so don't use #!  ???
[22:43] <blondie> better
[22:44] <blondie> it ran manually, so if i restart the system will /etc/rc.d/rc4.d.StartVM execute automatically at boot
[22:44] <blondie> ?
[22:44] <glitsj16> blondie: i'm confused :) if it is a separate file you need the #!/bin/sh (that will tell the system to run it via shell)
[22:45] <glitsj16> blondie: is that the only line that is in there ? the xm linux start bit ?
[22:45] <blondie> glitsj16: when i put the she-bang in front and entered ./StartVM it didnt' run and gave no error
[22:45] <blondie> when i removed the she-bang it ran
[22:46] <blondie> the entire contents of /etc/rc.d/rc5/StartVM are /usr/sbin/xm start linux
[22:47] <blondie> i guess just try it?  or do you think it won't work without she-bang?
[22:47] <blondie> oh, btw, rc5.d is a directory, not a file
[22:47] <glitsj16> blondie: ok, i still think you need the #!/bin/sh as first and only line at the top of the file StartVM
[22:48] <glitsj16> blondie: something like this:
[22:48] <blondie> glitsj16: does it concern you that nothing happens when you run it from the command line using ./StartVM
[22:48] <blondie> ?
[22:48] <jokoon> I beg you. I have a ibook G4, and my touchpad is going insane, making my cursor shaking like crazy, gimme some simple way to shut it down, even some config file to edit
[22:48] <jokoon> or some soft
[22:49] <jokoon> (and a way to mount a partition that was mounted when I was under ubuntu, and how make my bluetooth work like in ubuntu)
[22:50] <glitsj16> blondie: if run in terminal yes it will work, because the terminal is in fact a shell, if run from that rc5 dir it needs it, but then ypou must start /usr/sbin/xm start linux on the next line, after #!/bin/sh
[22:51] <blondie> glitsj16: ahhh, so #!/bin/sh on line 1 and /usr/sbin/xm start linux on the second line
[22:51] <glitsj16> blondie: correct
[23:16] <Genelyk> :D
[23:17] <blondie> glitsj16: still not working  :(
[23:19] <glitsj16> blondie: sorry; was at another channel, can i pm you ?
[23:19] <blondie> it totally works from the command line ./StartVM, but not during boot
[23:19] <blondie> OK