[22:18] <Alan> MilitantPotato, with fglrx?
[22:18] <danfg> in ubuntu, is there a standard way of setting up/removing rc scripts?
[22:18] <johnficca> phaedra:have you got this card working that way?
[22:18] <Stargazers> Anyone, do you have anything knowledge about ATI Radeon X1550 and Gutsy Gibbon?
[22:18] <b1n42y> MilitantPotato, i can ctr + alt plus arrows which brings up 2 screens and another 2 screens if thats what you mean... but cube wont work for instance unless you have any ideas
[22:18] <marthin> anybody know how to fix the WEP problem? Cant connect with NetworkManager to wlan using WEP, but uncrypted it works fine
[22:18] <MilitantPotato> Alan: Yep
[22:18] <tanath> epiphany keeps crashing on me when i recover the session, but i don't want to lose it. can anyone help?
[22:18] <replay3> snkmad: it's actually not just a library, but a complete set of tools + library. just install it with aptitude install gawk
[22:18] <juan> !flash
[22:18] <bulmer> danfg-> man update-rc.d
[22:18] <marthin_>  anybody know how to fix the WEP problem? Cant connect with NetworkManager to wlan using WEP, but uncrypted it works fine
[22:18] <babo> marthin_, well if it works fine unencrypted then perhaps you haven't turned on encryption ?
[22:19] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[22:19] <Alan> MilitantPotato, you use the same?  could i see your xorg.conf?
[22:19] <phaedra> johnficca, Yes,  My laptop has a PCMCIA card using this chipset.
[22:19] <danfg> bulmer: thanks :)
[22:19] <johnficca> phaedra: oh cool
[22:19] <johnficca> phaedra: I'll try it
[22:19] <Alan> MilitantPotato, i can't get X to even start with fglrx
[22:19] <marthin_> babo: then alotof neighbours will use my connection
[22:19] <Stargazers> Alan: Same problem.
[22:19] <MilitantPotato> b1n42y: ccsm General options, Desktop size tab, horizontal to 4, also enable desktop cube and rotate cube.
[22:19] <yaser> quick quiestion: if i install something wih GDebi, does it goes to /var/apt/cache/archive/??
[22:19] <Stargazers> Alan: Thought, I can't run X at all in any driver.
[22:19] <juan> marthin_: possible a driver issue
[22:20] <Stargazers> With ATI X1550
[22:20] <MilitantPotato> Alan: one second.
[22:20] <johnficca>  phaedra: what are the commands for nidswrapper?
[22:20] <Alan> MilitantPotato, thanks
[22:20] <phaedra> johnficca, Remember to use the -m options with ndiswrapper too.  After installing restart the net with sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[22:20] <snkmad> replay3 thx that worked
[22:20] <juan> marthin_: consider using wpa as wep takes about 3 minutes to crack or summit like that
[22:20] <Stargazers> MilitantPotato: Is Ati Radeon X1550 known for you?
[22:20] <snkmad> Kernel: 2.6.22-14-generic Hostname: snkmad-desktop Uptime: 1 h Ubuntu 7.10 Codename: gutsy CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ Cache: 512 KB 512 KB Bogomips: 4022.34 4018.56 Swap: 18484 kB RAM: 879 Mb Graka: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 430 (rev a2) X.Org version: 1.3.0 Treiber:nvidia Resolution: 1280x1024 GLXINFO: GeForce 6150S
[22:20] <snkmad> E nForce 430/PCI/SSE2 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19 NIC: Client: xchat
[22:20] <phaedra> johnficca, Just run ndiswrapper with no options it'll list them for you.
[22:20] <vmlinuz-> is HARDy beta out?
[22:21] <johnficca> phaedra: ok
[22:21] <Black_Cat> are there skins for audacious in repositories? and how can i use winamp skins in this player - where do i put them?
[22:21] <phaedra> johnficca, Remember, ndiswrapper needs sudo
[22:21] <riotkittie> beta? BETA?  vmlinuz- :o no.
[22:21] <johnficca> phaedra: I'm new to nidswarpper
[22:21] <replay3> snkmad: glad do help. another tip would be not to use xchat at all. try irssi for example. character based irc clients are way better imho
[22:21] <vmlinuz-> >_<
[22:21] <marthin_> juan: yeah i read but my neighous arent that into computers....mostly old people
[22:21] <tanath> epiphany keeps crashing on me when i recover the session, but i don't want to lose it. can anyone help?
[22:21] <vmlinuz-> then how come i find some hardy repos online. like this
[22:21] <Pici> vmlinuz-: Not even close. We might be in in pre-alpha.
[22:21] <vmlinuz-> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/stevenharperuk/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse
[22:21] <vmlinuz-> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/stevenharperuk/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse
[22:21] <snkmad> well i really liked xchat, reminds me mIRC
[22:21] <zhaz> Is some firewall setup in GB?
[22:21] <phaedra> johnficca, You'll pick it up quickly...  ;)
[22:22] <Pici> vmlinuz-: Because its being worked on.  The Gutsy repos were there this soon after feisty release too.
[22:22] <Stargazers> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]
[22:22] <Stargazers> 02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] (Secondary)
[22:22] <riotkittie> vmlinuz-: because hardy's being worked on. but.
[22:22] <johnficca> phaedra: how do I install nidswrapper
[22:22] <johnficca> ?
[22:22] <Stargazers> I have this kind of ATI card, but can't run X at all.
[22:22] <juan> vmlinuz-: you can also find the complete development repos online begins with a g i think
[22:22] <riotkittie> working on > more working on > more working on > pie > more working on > tribes > beta > rcs > april
[22:22] <Pici> vmlinuz-: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[22:22] <yaser> quick question: if i install something wih GDebi, does it goes to /var/apt/cache/archive/??
[22:23] <phaedra> johnficca, It should already be installed...  Just open a terminal and type 'sudo ndiswrapper' without quotes.
[22:23] <riotkittie> pie may not exist in the larger scheme of things, but it should.
[22:23] <vmlinuz-> some people are talking about hardy heron alot, also some packages are out for it...
[22:23] <zhaz> Is there something easy to make SSH work to the ubuntu machine?
[22:23] <vmlinuz-> like Easy Crypst
[22:23] <vmlinuz-> easy crypt
[22:23] <johnficca> sudo: ndiswrapper: command not found
[22:23] <juan> multichil:what drivers are you using
[22:23] <multichil> juan : Que?
[22:23] <johnficca> phaedra: it says sudo: ndiswrapper: command not found
[22:23] <MilitantPotato> Alan: XGL with fglrx is right.
[22:24] <juan> multichil: never mind i got the wrong person
[22:24] <phaedra> johnficca,  Hmmm...  Is this the live cd?
[22:24] <johnficca> no
[22:24] <MilitantPotato> Alan: I deleted my old xorgs, I'm using the latest AMD drives that support AIGLX
[22:24] <juan> marthin_: what drivers are you using
[22:24]  * RudyValencia managed to get networking running with an external netcard
[22:25] <peacepipejv> need to rip an image. What app
[22:25] <bsund> how do i listen to internet radio? both totem and audicious hangs when conneting to www.scenemusic.eu
[22:25] <johnficca> phaedra: its not even in the synaptic package mamnager
[22:25] <RudyValencia> but why doesn't it work with the RTL8100B on my motherboard?
[22:25] <John_R> anybody know how to get a desktop shortcut to work with a VMX file in VMWARE?
[22:25] <yaser> quick question: if i install something wih GDebi, does it goes to /var/apt/cache/archive/??
[22:25] <Alan> MilitantPotato, what's to stop me doing that? or do the new drivers not support mobility 9000?
[22:25] <marthin_> juan: im very new to linux...i installed the once that ubuntu toldme....how do i check?
[22:25] <MilitantPotato> RudyValencia: did ya search google?
[22:25] <MilitantPotato> Alan: Are you on gutsy?
[22:25] <brad016> I installed azerus and left it on over night to download, when i woke up it was closed, not even on the little dock bar thing at the top, now whenever i go to open it it opens for a second and then closes right away
[22:25] <phaedra> johnficca, It should be in synaptic...  Which version/distro are you using?
[22:25] <Alan> MilitantPotato, yeah....
[22:26] <johnficca> phaedra: 7.04
[22:26] <MilitantPotato> Alan: XGL+FGLRX is faster
[22:26] <johnficca> phaedra: 7.10 had big problems with slow internet
[22:26] <MilitantPotato> the AIGLX support from the new ATI drivers is poor.
[22:26] <Don_jr333> what is the package name to get the entire x and kde desktop agen installed to a server version of ubuntu please?
[22:26] <tanath> brad016, i'd recommend deluge...
[22:26] <MilitantPotato> Alan: Also, standby won't work.
[22:26] <peacepipejv> i need to rip an image. app suggestions?
[22:26] <zhaz> How do I enable SSH on Gusty Gibbon?
[22:27] <Alan> MilitantPotato, with fglrx?
[22:27] <phaedra> johnficca, It should be in 7.04...  I don't know why it isn't.  If 7.10 is slow you need to disable ipv6...
[22:27] <MilitantPotato> Alan: something about gutsy using SLUB and ATI's drivers using SLAB
[22:27] <dgjones> !ssh | zhaz
[22:27] <ubotu> zhaz: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[22:27] <RudyValencia> hm
[22:27] <MilitantPotato> Alan: only with the ATI drivers from ATI AFAIK.
[22:27] <RudyValencia> apparently I have to start with "noapic"
[22:27] <brad016> tanath, ya i tried that for a while, it was good and all, just, it wasn't named after a poisnous frog is all
[22:27] <brad016> tanath, okay i'll try it again
[22:27] <Don_jr333> Can I search the repository online so I can see everything?
[22:27] <Alan> MilitantPotato, I only want the basic desktop effects.... can i not get that with the opensource driver?
[22:27] <tanath> brad016, lol... didn't like it?
[22:28] <phaedra> johnficca, But you need to get ndiswrapper...  I don't know how you can get it though...
[22:28] <tanath> brad016, i find it's faster & more efficient
[22:28] <brad016> tanath, but in all reality it was pretty good
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> Alan: yes, if you want 3d accell you'll need XGL
[22:28] <sabgenton> is there any free ocr for linux?
[22:28] <johnficca> phaedra: do they have some type of gui front end for nidswrapper in automatix?
[22:28] <sabgenton> scan something tern it to text
[22:28] <Brandenatwork> how do I change my workgroup from samba sharing.  I cannot remember where it is at
[22:28] <peacepipejv> any app suggestions for ripping an image?
[22:28] <yaser> quick question: if i install something wih GDebi, does it goes to /var/apt/cache/archive/??
[22:29] <phaedra> johnficca, Maybe, but I know nothing about automatix...
[22:29] <juan> marthin_: to find out your driver try "lsmod | grep usbcore"
[22:29] <phaedra> !automatix | johnficca
[22:29] <ubotu> johnficca: Automatix2 is a 3rd-party product attempting to automate installation of additional software. When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (See also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[22:29] <peacepipejv> automatix is not supported
[22:29] <peacepipejv> here
[22:29] <johnficca> phaedra: thanks I know
[22:30] <Alan> MilitantPotato, so basically, i can't get any effects and still have a usable laptop?
[22:30] <MilitantPotato> Alan: Enable restricted drivers.
[22:30] <johnficca> phaedra: what is the gui called
[22:30] <tanath> peacepipejv, brasero? nautilus? k3b?
[22:30] <peacepipejv> k3b, really? What a dummy I am
[22:30] <MilitantPotato> Alan: As far as I'm aware, untill ATI fixes their driver, correct.  Or go back to feisty and standby + 3d effects will work.
[22:30] <phaedra> johnficca, For ndiswrapper?  It doesn't have one that I know of.  I just use the cli.
[22:30] <htaccess> whats the url for the official documentation for doing a fiesty to gutsy dist upgrade?
[22:30] <marthin_> juan: usbcore               161584  6 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,hci_usb,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[22:30] <marthin_>  What does that tell me? Or did i do it wrong?
[22:31] <tanath> htaccess, using the update manager should work find
[22:31] <MilitantPotato> Alan: Otherwise you're SOL for standby
[22:31] <havchr> Hi, just a quick question. How long time does it take usually before i.e a new ati driver becomes available in the official repo after it's released?
[22:31] <tanath> htaccess, *fine
[22:31] <Alan> MilitantPotato, meh, would be silly for me to downgrade....
[22:31] <johnficca> phaedra: ok I think its called ndisgtk
[22:31] <htaccess> thats in the gnome menues somewhere?
[22:31] <wirechief_> havchr a long time
[22:31] <Don_jr333> Can anyone tell me if I can search the repository online please?
[22:31] <MilitantPotato> havchr: a very, very long time.
[22:31] <arghh2d2> I got a question.  If I clone my /home partition to a new partition, what do i have to do to make it loadable?
[22:31] <tanath> htaccess, System > Admin > Update manager
[22:31] <pell1> Hi, Is it possible to install KDE 4 in unbuntu (not kubuntu)
[22:32] <phaedra> johnficca, I just checked and yes it is ndisgtk...
[22:32] <Don_jr333> tanath was that for me?
[22:32] <tag> so
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> arghh2d2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46866
[22:32] <juan> marthin_: i think i gave you the wrong command you dont have 1 of the 2 drivers ive come across, im fairly new 2 you may want to try !wifi
[22:32] <htaccess> tanath: thanks ... im using ion, but ill log on in to gnome
[22:32] <bulmer> arghh2d2-> why do you think you must have it loadable?
[22:32] <steve_> can anyone hep with installing ubuntu from a USB drive? the directions on the wiki do not work right
[22:32] <Don_jr333> guess not
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> arghh2d2: First link in google.
[22:32] <juan> pell1 yes
[22:32] <arghh2d2> pell1, i think you just type sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[22:32] <johnficca> phaedra: I still don't see nidswrapper in there
[22:32] <tanath> Don_jr333, er, no. but you can search with Synaptic
[22:32] <bulmer> steve_->  can you use same USB drive and boot another desktop with it?
[22:32] <pell1> arghh2d2: that's 3rd edition?
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> pell1:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:33] <havchr> so the newly released ati drivers go hand in hand with gutsy with a bit of grease to get them installed, or should I keep out?
[22:33] <tag> I can't upgrade to gutsy from feisty.  Since the new rollout, the update-manager hasn't recognized the new distribution version.  I even downloaded the CD, and sticking it in -- it still doesn't recognize the new version.  Does anyone know what would cause tihs?
[22:33] <steve_> bulmer,  no, it just gives me the same error
[22:33] <juan> pell1: not that you have to select kde4 from repos there should be a  metapackage
[22:33] <MilitantPotato> pell1: then log out, click sessions, and choose KDE
[22:33] <pell1> MilitantPotato: ok
[22:33] <tanath> tanath, or in the terminal with 'apt-cache search blah'
[22:33] <juan> MilitantPotato: he wants kde4
[22:33] <marthin_> juan, !wifi ?
[22:33] <ArrPirate> I'm trying to get my brother into using Ubuntu because all he uses his windows machine for is chatting with MSN and Yahoo Messenger and I know pidgin is good for that but he's really addicted to voice and video chat. Is there a way to get pidgin to do this or another program that will work?
[22:33] <MilitantPotato> juan: oh.
[22:33] <mEck0> It is QT4 which is used in KDE4 right?
[22:33] <snkmad> theres any way to hide the panels when going fullscreen with compiz on?
[22:33] <pell1> think i've installed kde4-base or something, but can't find it in sessions menu
[22:33] <phaedra> johnficca, It should be ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 or something like that.  I'm on 7.10
[22:34] <bulmer> steve_-> look into how DSL does it..damn small linux
[22:34] <dgjones> ArrPirate: possibly aMSN
[22:34] <esnip> hi! can anyone help please i've installed ubuntu 7.10 i got internet connection because i can ping websites, but when i open firefox it doesn't retrieve any websit help please
[22:34] <juan> marthin_: [22:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:34] <steve_> hrm
[22:34] <pell1> juan: what do you mean by metapackage
[22:34] <tanath> htaccess, you may need to add the repositories yourself, but other than that, there should be no problem with using the update manager, or Synaptic
[22:34] <marthin_> juan, ok. thx
[22:34] <phaedra> johnficca, If you search in synaptic for ndiswrapper they should all come up...
[22:34] <wirechief_> esnip sounds like your missing the dns servers
[22:34] <danielbw> something very strange on my ubuntu server just happened
[22:34] <danielbw> I have my network configuration set to static
[22:35] <havchr> esnip, try wget and see if you can grab pages
[22:35] <juan> pell1 a package that lists most of the stuff in kde4, not sure if metapackage is the right name
[22:35] <snkmad> its strange, coz mplayer goes fullscreen with no panel visible, anyway to take that behavior to games?
[22:35] <danielbw> but about 10 minutes ago, it sent a dhcp request and got an ip address from the dhcp server
[22:35] <esnip> wirechief_: ?
[22:35] <Geekomancer1> Hello! I'm having a permissions problem with an external USB drive, and I need to take ownership of it so I can play all the music on it! Can anyone help?
[22:35] <pell1> juan: probably the kde4-base package
[22:35] <pell1> juan: installed that one, but it's not in the sessions menu
[22:35] <wirechief_> esnip check your etc/resolve
[22:35] <MilitantPotato> pell1: no, you need to add a 3rd party repository
[22:36] <arghh2d2> Geekomancer1, sudo chown Geekomancer1 <usbdrive>?
[22:36] <havchr> esnip, if you can ping web-addresses then it's probably not the dns. if you can only ping ip, then it is probably dns
[22:36] <danielbw> something very strange on my ubuntu server just happened. I have my network configuration set to static. but about 10 minutes ago, it sent a dhcp request and got an ip address from the dhcp server. Why would it do that?
[22:36] <MilitantPotato> pell1: but chances are you'll need to compile it
[22:36] <tag> goddamnit
[22:36] <johnficca> phaedra: I did that and I get nothing
[22:36] <tag> why wont ubuntu upgrade
[22:36] <bulmer> danielbw-> why it do what?
[22:36] <pell1> MilitantPotato: think I activated one of those 3rd party in the menu
[22:36] <tag> I have two virtually identical computers, one upgraded, the other refuses to even see the update.
[22:36] <esnip> havchr: i can ping websites
[22:36] <esnip> havchr: i can ping webadresses i mean
[22:36] <phaedra> johnficca, :(
[22:36] <tag> I'm about to upgrade with apt-get
[22:37] <tag> although I've heard repeatedly that's the wrong way to do it
[22:37] <bulmer> tag it has internet access?
[22:37] <pell1> MilitantPotato: i'll try some more, thanks
[22:37] <arghh2d2> tag, i upgraded to glitchie gibbon once, shortly after i clean installed feisty.
[22:37] <wirechief_> esnip using ip it works but not with url's ?
[22:37] <danielbw> why would my ubuntu server ask for a dhcp server after 1 day of uptime when it''s /etc/network/interfaces specifies a static ip
[22:37] <Winnar> !traffic
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[22:37] <tag> bulmer: Yes, it has internet access.  It even has the gutsy cd plugged into it
[22:37] <juan> pell1 i think youve done everything right but something is missing, kwin4 or summit like that should be installed
[22:37] <johnficca> phaedra: I had some updates and I going to let them finish then I look again
[22:37] <havchr> esnip, try "wget www.db.no test.hml" in your console
[22:38] <bulmer> esnip-> if you have w3m  a text base browser try that
[22:38] <arghh2d2> tag, you sure you burnt the right iso?
[22:38] <esnip> wirechief_: it works also with urls also
[22:38] <danielbw> Why would my ubuntu server ask for an IP Address from my dhcp server after 1 day of uptime when it''s /etc/network/interfaces specifies a static ip?
[22:38] <travm> hi, does anyone know how I can tell which partition my windows install is.  In gparted it says /dev/sda1,  but how do I relate that to what I need to tell grub to boot?
[22:38] <tag> arghh2d2: yes I'm sure
[22:38] <tag> arghh2d2: I used it for a fresh install on another computer
[22:38] <bulmer> danielbw-> pastebin your /etc/network/interface file contents
[22:39] <johnficca> phaedra: do they have any native drivers for this card?
[22:39] <arghh2d2> tag, bios settings?
[22:39] <wirechief_> esnip do you get your dns server settings when you cat /etc/resolve.conf   ?
[22:39] <tag> arghh2d2: what would the bios have to do with the update manager?
[22:39] <juan> pell1 do you have a kwin command or something
[22:40] <arghh2d2> tag, sorry, i thought you were having trouble with the cd
[22:40] <johnficca> phaedra: I need to reboot
[22:40] <esnip> wirechief_ : when i cat resolv.conf i have nameserver myrouter IPaddress
[22:40]  * N3bunel away
[22:40] <tag> arghh2d2: No, I'm having trouble with the fact that update-manager refuses to report the gutsy release
[22:41] <unl33t_home> hello
[22:41] <wirechief> esnip ok they should have your isp ip's in them
[22:41] <danielbw> bulmer: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42753/
[22:41] <arghh2d2> tag, i dunno what to tell ya, but imo gutsie isnt ready.
[22:41] <unl33t_home> anyone know if ppc ports is no longer being supported?
[22:41] <ArrPirate> amsn seems to be just the trick to solve my brother's MSN addiction... is there a program that handles voice chat and audio chat using Yahoo Messenger's network?
[22:41] <dxdemetriou> from one friend that upgraded to Gutsy, there are some problems related to eth0:avahi that can't take an ip from router for dsl connection. I saw different posts about wireless but not about wired connections. from other distro live cds and from Feisty was ok
[22:41] <roy> gutsie is not ready yet?
[22:42] <|_ocke> hows 7.10 treating everyone that upgraded already?
[22:42] <esnip> wirechief_: but my router have automatic dns on, shouldn't it be that way?
[22:42] <MilitantPotato> tag: gksudo update-manager --dist-upgrade
[22:42] <PriceChild> !offtopic |_ocke
[22:42] <ubotu> _ocke: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[22:42] <tag> arghh2d2: that's nice.   I'm running it on this machine.  The stupid X-configurator thing didn't work worth a shit but other than that gutsy fixed a lot from edgy.
[22:42] <|_ocke> and anyone had any issues in particular with using update manager?
[22:42] <PriceChild> !ohmy | tag
[22:42] <ubotu> tag: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:42] <tag> MilitantPotato: tried that :-)
[22:42] <MilitantPotato> tag: gksu update-manager --dist-upgrade  i ment
[22:42] <travm> I have an install of edgy that I can no longer boot windows.  I can see the partition, it has the right used space, but how do I know what I should put into grub to boot into windows?
[22:43] <EnigmaCurry> Does anyone know of a GUI scripting tool? I want to automate a task such as opening gnome-sound-recorder and automatically clicking the record button.. all from a script.
[22:43] <danielbw> Why would my ubuntu server ask for an IP Address from my dhcp server after 1 day of uptime when it''s /etc/network/interfaces specifies a static ip? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42753/
[22:44] <bulmer> danielbw-> i do not see anything glaring that would have your server send a dhdiscovery
[22:44] <Taras> hello
[22:44] <tag> MilitantPotato: no dice.  It claims my system is up to date
[22:44] <johnficca> how do I install nidswrapper?
[22:44] <bulmer> danielbw-> does it have an ip address at the time it made the request?
[22:44] <m4jkl> hi there
[22:44] <danielbw> bulmer: I have the answer. I have not killed the dhclient3 program since changing from dhcp to static
[22:44] <MilitantPotato> tag: maybe it is :)
[22:44] <Taras> OH SO THIS WORKS
[22:44] <bulmer> danielbw-> there you go, you got it figured out
[22:44] <MilitantPotato> !caps | Tara
[22:45] <ubotu> Tara: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[22:45] <MilitantPotato> s*
[22:45] <tag> MilitantPotato: it's running feisty
[22:45] <danielbw> bulmer, i ran ps aux|grep -i dhcp and I saw this: dhclient3 -e IF_METRIC=100 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0
[22:45] <Taras> IS EVERYONE USING HERE UBUNTU OS ?
[22:45] <tag> MilitantPotato: the apt sources.list is all labeled feisty :-)
[22:45] <tag> Taras: please turn off your capslock
[22:45] <AngryElf> so I just created a divx/mpeg4 movie with devede and it asked me where to put the "image" so I expected an ISO or something, all it outptted was a mpeg for each movie I put in and an XML file -- what am I suposed to do with that?
[22:45] <Taras> ok
[22:46] <juan> !ask > Taras
[22:46] <Taras> I am new , i just dont know how to install ubuntu firewall
[22:46] <ArrPirate> ok, that's odd
[22:46] <danielbw> ok, now everything is a little more sane, haha.  There is alwasy an explanation, isn't there? Unlike Windows mysterious Windows errors
[22:46] <LjL> Taras: i don't know of a thing called "ubuntu firewall"
[22:46] <MilitantPotato> tag: gedit /etc/lsb-release
[22:47] <bulmer> danielbw-> sometimes it requires another pair of eyes ..just to ..hehehe
[22:47] <snkmad> whats bonobo-acitivation-server?
[22:47] <ArrPirate> I have a weird error... when I go to log in the text is HUGE, looks like at least 72 point font... but I go to the appearance settings once I'm logged in and the text is all set to 10 point
[22:47] <juan> Taras: use synaptic and search for a firewall, but unless your doing something networky you wont need 1
[22:47] <esnip> wirechief_: if i set up manually the dns server, when i try to connect, in university or something will it change?
[22:47] <travm> gparted shows my windows drive as /dev/sda1 is that hd(0,0)?
[22:47] <MilitantPotato> Taras: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[22:47] <ryanakca> Ok, gparted screwed up my home partition, basically it shrank the partition, but never updated the superblock to tell it that the partition is 9GB smaller. How can I fix this discrepency?
[22:48] <Taras> i was just thinking if ubuntu has it already like in windows for example
[22:48] <LjL> !firewall | Taras
[22:48] <ubotu> Taras: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[22:48] <Q_Continuum> Anyone gotten dual-display set up on Gutsy, preferred via the new GUI?
[22:48] <bulmer> Taras-> you have to think why you might need it?
[22:48] <wirechief_> esnip   can   you come to my pm
[22:48] <Taras> ubotu thanks
[22:48] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[22:49] <Taras> well for protection
[22:49] <roy> my 5.1 surround sound plays only 2 speakers but I have 5.1 chosen in Amorak any ideas
[22:49] <tag> this is going to piss me off
[22:49] <MilitantPotato> tag: gedit /etc/lsb-release
[22:49] <tag> MilitantPotato: 7.04, feisty
[22:49] <bulmer> Taras-> what you feel like protecting?
[22:50] <scion_> http://www.ubuntu.com
[22:50] <juan> Tara: in linux firewalls just point out, if your in a home network or behind any type of router firewalls, you dont really need 1
[22:50] <Taras> computer from hackers and viruses u know
[22:50] <fiXXXerMet> I have a number of hard drives connected to my computer:  2 IDE (1 on each channel), and 2 on a pci-sata card.  Why is it that the drive order changes?  Sometimes the first PATA drive will show up as sda, and sometimes as sdc, etc.
[22:50] <tag> MilitantPotato: ...what am I to do with this file?
[22:50] <snkmad> how do i enable my middle mouse click? it can roll, but not click
[22:50] <Taras> i mean i am new to linux and have been always using windows, so i am just curious of what i got to do
[22:50] <tag> MilitantPotato: I'd be weary of editing it manually
[22:51] <bulmer> Taras-> what you got to do is read more tutorials
[22:51] <juan> Taras: you wont really need a firewall, unless your doing something networking or not behind a router
[22:51] <wirechief_> esnip   can you come to my pm? will be able to get into more details
[22:52] <MilitantPotato> tag: nothing, don't edit it.
[22:52] <MilitantPotato> tag: just double checking you're on feisty :)
[22:52] <Taras> ohh in that case its all nice, thanks guys it was helpfull
[22:52] <tag> MilitantPotato: I'm on feisty :-)
[22:52] <travm> does someone know where I find what to put into grub to try to boot my windows partition?  It wasnt detected on install
[22:52] <Taras> bye
[22:52] <tag> MilitantPotato: Now why the heck doesn't it try and upgrade me?  :-)
[22:52] <juan> Taras in the wild there are no linux viruses, however if you want to be safe look in synaptic for anti-virus software
[22:52] <MilitantPotato> tag: what does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:52] <MilitantPotato> do?
[22:53] <John_R> it tried to upgrade your whole distro
[22:53] <tag> MilitantPotato: zero zilch nada
[22:53] <MilitantPotato> any errors?
[22:53] <John_R> you update your sources.list with the proper repository
[22:53] <tag> no, just something held back
[22:53] <John_R> then apt-get update
[22:53] <Tyroazard> Argh! No! Ubuntu updated Wine..
[22:53] <John_R> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:53] <tag> libc6-dev
[22:53] <bulmer> travm-> detailed info can be had if you google for them..grub+double booting+windows
[22:53] <Supaplex> how do I do this in ubuntu? http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCross is there an ubuntu wiki page for this?
[22:53] <Tyroazard> :< The only reason I reinstalled Linux was so I could have the old Wine, and now the update updated it
[22:53] <Tyroazard> ...
[22:53] <tag> John_R: My understanding (and experience) is that upgrading that way does not always work.
[22:54] <roy> feisty to gutsy upgrade does it start from scratch again or can are your files saved?
[22:54] <John_R> no tag it doesnt
[22:54] <hubuntu> hei.. may be a rude question but:
[22:54] <John_R> it works with debian fairly well
[22:54] <John_R> fairly meaning not always
[22:54] <John_R> hhehe
[22:54] <ryanakca> Ok, gparted screwed up my home partition, basically it shrank the partition, but never updated the superblock to tell it that the partition is 9GB smaller. How can I fix this discrepency?
[22:54] <travm> bulmer-> i know, basically, I want to know how i find out what to put in for hd(x,x).
[22:54] <tag> John_R: Right, I had debian croak on that a number of times :-)
[22:54] <John_R> yep
[22:54] <travm> everything else i know, i have gparted open, and menu.lst open
[22:54] <hubuntu> ubuntu ttf font... can it be installed in another system?= (mac, windows) have a designer who is creating the logo for our loco, but he does not use ubuntu (as of yet :)
[22:54] <John_R> it is better if you update your repositories, then apt-get update, then update the kernel only
[22:55] <John_R> then do the dist-upgrade after
[22:55] <tag> it even has gutsy in my sources.list, as a result of the cdrom being plugged in
[22:55] <Pici> hubuntu: Yes, I believe it can be installed on anything that supports ttf fonts.
[22:55] <hdevalence> can someone help me set up a virtualbox Windows Vista?
[22:55] <tag> what the update-manager does not seem to be realizing is that gutsy > fiesty
[22:55] <bulmer> travm-> umm the articles you have read should guide you to what parameters to put in..but let me see what i got
[22:55] <travm> well, im tempted to just put hd(0,0), that is what is in the examples in menu.lst
[22:55] <hubuntu> Pici, I know, but where can I get the font file? just out of my own fonts directory?
[22:55] <juan> ive just found a couple of really stupid problems in the repos where do i file a name&dependency change
[22:56] <alex__> hia
[22:56] <travm> Last night i was cautioned to check in gparted to see which actual partition my ntfs partion was so I put the right one in.
[22:56] <hdevalence> I want to tell it to use thehard drive from my dual-boot.
[22:56] <fiXXXerMet> I have a number of hard drives connected to my computer:  2 IDE (1 on each channel), and 2 on a pci-sata card.  Why is it that the drive order changes?  Sometimes the first PATA drive will show up as sda, and sometimes as sdc, etc.
[22:56] <hubuntu> and if so.. where is the font directory (always wondered where that is...)
[22:56] <travm> but it shows up as /dev/sda1 , which clearly isnt hd(0,0) or is it?
[22:56] <Pici> hubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[22:56] <JPP_kimsufi> hello
[22:56] <hubuntu> Pici been there... need the font type to be installed on a mac
[22:56] <tag> hurm
[22:57] <Pici> hubuntu: Macs dont support otf?
[22:57] <alex__> does anyone know anything about the white-screen bug with the new ATI drivers, after starting up Compiz Fusion?
[22:57] <tag> John_R: forcing the distribution label and then running update manager seems to have given it the hint to do a partial upgrade
[22:57] <tag> John_R: I'm going to roll with it
[22:57] <hubuntu> HNI
[22:57] <Pici> hubuntu: er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Ubuntu-Title.ttf
[22:57] <Pici> hubuntu: Its right on the bottom of the page
[22:57] <JPP_kimsufi> using terminal if i press F10 to close MC it show me the terminal menu instead, is there a way to change this shortcut ?
[22:58] <John_R> tag: sounds good
[22:58] <mikec> emerald is not loading 'properly' when gutsy starts up, the title bar text is too small. running 'emerald --replace' again fixes it. Anyone know what would cause that?
[22:58] <John_R> l
[22:58] <DreamFiller> HELLO PPL
[22:58] <hubuntu> Pici: thanks! I løove this community! :) Rock on!
[22:58] <juan> fiXXXerMet: travm i think its a bug that was introduced back in feisty, or atleast thats when my desktop renamed all the hda to sda
[22:58] <alex__> anyone? :<
[22:58] <tag> now if only my email filtering would start working again.
[22:58] <ArrPirate> I'm having a problem... my system font for some of the things (the text in a window's title bar, the login text prompt, etc) is HUGE. I don't know how to fix it. Can someone please help me? I took a screenshot and uploaded it to yousendit.com if someone wants to look at it to more clarify my problem: http://download.yousendit.com/3CB40CBD18F2300A
[22:59] <travm> so what do i tell grub?
[22:59] <fiXXXerMet> juan: bad example.  My sda and sdb change places, for example.
[22:59] <GuHHH> how can i search a text in every file in my system?
[22:59] <fiXXXerMet> (seemingly randomly - has happened on two machines)
[22:59] <fiXXXerMet> GuHHH: grep -R 'text string' /
[22:59] <fiXXXerMet> text string has to be an exact match
[22:59] <alex__> did Ubuntu fix the wear-and-tear on hard drives bug?
[23:00] <Pici> alex__: Its not a bug.
[23:00] <temp1234> does anyone know about the laptop hard drive acpi bug in ubuntu posted on slashdot today?
[23:00] <alex__> o:?
[23:00] <afries> anyone know how to erase pingin settings so it wont load a certain IM service without starting the program
[23:00] <rpedro> ArrPirate: try a different font for the title bar
[23:00] <alex__> how's it not a bug?
[23:00] <ArrPirate> repedro: I'm not sure how to do that.
[23:00] <Pici> alex__: temp1234: please read: http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/ubuntu-is-not-causing-aggressive-power-management/
[23:01] <DreamFiller> Here is a bad question for you guys..... But WHERE IN GODS NAME CAN I DOWNLOAD WINDOWSXP
[23:01] <zach_> Hello. I have an HP dv6500t notebook and my webcam is not working. I am running Gutsy Gibbon. Would someone be willing to help me figure out how to make it work?
[23:01] <Pici> !warez | DreamFiller
[23:01] <ubotu> DreamFiller: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[23:01] <juan> travm: tell grub whats right, erm there shoud be a file in /boot or /boot/grub that translates what ubuntu sees to what grub sees
[23:01] <DreamFiller> LOL
[23:01] <rpedro> ArrPirate: go to System -> Preferences -> Fonts, and change there the font for 'Window title'
[23:01] <Fryguy--> I just came home and noticed my server is running very slowly.    What should i do?
[23:02] <DreamFiller> lol
[23:02] <MilitantPotato> DreamFiller: it's like 100 bucks.
[23:02] <rpedro> ArrPirate: or System -> Appearence -> Font tab , in Gutsy
[23:02] <Pici> !windows
[23:02] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[23:02] <alex__> does anyone know anything about the white-screen bug with the new ATI drivers, after starting up Compiz Fusion?
[23:02] <travm> so it says /dev/sda = hd(0)
[23:02] <Pici> alex__: Havent heard of it, have you asked in #compiz-fusion ?
[23:02] <ArrPirate> rpedro: I just went there and tried to change the font style and point, but it didn't really do much... still huge
[23:02] <travm> does that mean /dev/sda1 = hd(0,0)? or hd(0,1)?
[23:02] <MilitantPotato> travm: sda1,0
[23:02] <alex__> ill try, thanks :D
[23:02] <DreamFiller> actually its 90 bucks
[23:02] <MilitantPotato> travm: well, the 0 depends on what partition.
[23:03] <phaedra> alex__, Yeah....  My system whited out too...
[23:03] <bobby_> Im trying to free the most memonry I can and making my system the faster I can, is it safe to stop the anacron service?
[23:03] <redhatrik> anyone here running 64Bit ?
[23:03] <alex__> damn..
[23:03] <kingnothing> I just bought a 500GB hard drive. I'd like to partition 400GB of that to use as a new /home directory. How do I do that?
[23:03] <zach_> I hate to be obnoxious. But will someone help me?
[23:03] <juan> travm: hd(0,0)
[23:03] <twoshadetod> redhatrik, no but i ran it about a year ago and notice no differnece at all
[23:03] <travm> ok, well /dev/sda1 is my windows partition.   /dev/sda is mapped to hd(0)
[23:03] <twoshadetod> redhatrik, this was the the core 2 duo, but it probably is alot better now
[23:03] <travm> juan, thanks. i will try that then.  Thats what i thought.
[23:03] <redhatrik> just wondering ...........I've booted the live distro of Gutsy and am wanting to get Beryl/Compiz working
[23:04] <travm> /q thx
[23:04] <travm> bah
[23:04] <redhatrik> was much frustration under Feisty
[23:04] <redhatrik> twoshadetod: Did you get it working when you were playing with it?
[23:04] <astro76> bobby_, if you are looking at the system reported free memory, keep in mind in a normal running linux system will have much of it's memory used for disk cache, which can be freed as necessary
[23:05] <holycow> zach_: i can help with an overview
[23:05] <juan> zach_: what have you tried
[23:05] <astro76> bobby_, and you want anacron
[23:05] <twoshadetod> redhatrik, it "works" now on the single version (smp ? i think) but has some problems
[23:05] <holycow> zach_: what you need to know about webcams is this:
[23:05] <BrightEyes`> can you please tell me the name of the standard C math library? i want to install it in ubuntu from the repositories
[23:05] <redhatrik> understood twoshadetod
[23:05] <redhatrik> tks
[23:05] <holycow> 1. there are no known webcam manufacturers that actually ahve opened their drivers or provided documentation
[23:05] <twoshadetod> redhatrik, but i installed it along time ago and never tinkered with it, like boxes dont have minimizers and stuff..It's also beryl which at the time i was told was the "good" one but now I here that compiz is better but thats just passing comments in here
[23:05] <zach_> Searching the ubuntu forums. It seems to work in the gstreamer-properties when i chose v4l2
[23:06] <holycow> 2. this generally means there is no webcam support
[23:06] <holycow> 3. with one exception
[23:06] <redhatrik> ah, kewl. Tks twoshadetod
[23:06] <nanda> any tips on gettng WEP working with network manager on a dell 1505 with the broadcom card?
[23:06] <twoshadetod> redhatrik, but im not a good authority the regs in here know alot more , dont give up on my answer
[23:06] <zach_> but thats all it works in that test mode in gstreamer-properties
[23:06] <holycow> 3 a) there is rudimentary webcam support via built in drivers but thats model specific
[23:06] <temp1234> Pici, laptop mode is set as disabled in /etc/default/acpi-support, but I noticed from sysv-rc-conf that laptop mode is still in the run levels of boot?
[23:06] <juan> nanda: what drivers you using, i find bc drivers have better performance but ndiswrapper is more stable
[23:06] <zach_> Well can you help me identify my webcam. and then make v4l2 the default
[23:07] <holycow> 3 b) there is a very very nice french fellow who is a doctor as a full time job that writes webcam drivers in his spare time.  he has support for dozens if not hundreds of models out there
[23:07] <redhatrik> twoshadetod: Not to worry. I've been running Linux since it came out as a "full" distro back in 92-93
[23:07] <matthieu> bonne nuit/good night
[23:07] <T`> anyone know how to make upgrade-manager use my own mirror instead of its own?
[23:07] <twoshadetod> redhatrik, looks like I'll be bothering *you* for help soon hahhaa
[23:07] <T`> its taking forever to download the packages it wants to upload
[23:07] <T`> we haev a local mirror for this
[23:07] <holycow> zach_: your basic bet is kinda like this: a) google your laptop webcam model and check out the support b) search out the french dude that writes drivers and see if he has something you can use and find out how to install/compile them properly for your ubuntu version
[23:07] <redhatrik> I was just wondering since the graphics drivers for my ATI200M on a 64Bit laptop are a _pain_
[23:07] <holycow> zach_: i hope that answers a few of your questions
[23:07] <Geekomancer1> Thanks so much! I'm just waiting for the files to load, but it's grabbing more of the music than before! Tahnks!
[23:07] <redhatrik> anytime twoshadetod, anytime
[23:08] <ryanakca> Ok, gparted screwed up my home partition, basically it shrank the partition, but never updated the superblock to tell it that the partition is 9GB smaller. How can I fix this discrepency?
[23:08] <twoshadetod> redhatrik, I use a notebook also
[23:08] <astro76> T`, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, or system >administration > software sources
[23:08] <twoshadetod> redhatrik, funny thing is , i hated them before, i always said i wouldn't use one, but this one changed me, and i love it (hp dv6000) what kind do you have
[23:08] <zach_> Did you read what i said. It doesnt work in any programs except in gstreamer-properties and only then when you go to test mode for v4l2
[23:08] <juan> ive just found a couple of really stupid problems in the repos where do i file a name&dependency change
[23:08] <astro76> !bugs | juan
[23:08] <ubotu> juan: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[23:08] <T`> astro76, if i edit /etc/apt/sources.list it seems to overwrite it
[23:09] <redhatrik> twoshadetod: it wouldn't be the gateway mx6440 would it?
[23:09] <Noodels> Hi, just came to ask, what do I say to someone who say "Python is rubbish, no-one uses it."?
[23:09] <redhatrik> Noodels: just ask 'em what they're trying to do
[23:09] <GuHHH> can anyone help me with ldap?  http://pastebin.org/6544
[23:10] <redhatrik> Noodels: it's been my experience that some folks don't explore other languages because they haven't had a need to use 'em
[23:10] <Tiberio> hi, I'm using Gutsy. I got the error message "error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so"
[23:10] <T`> astro76, hmm.. my local mirror shows up as "third-party software" here.. and i can't seem to add a custom mirror in Ubuntu Software section
[23:10] <BrightEyes`> can you please tell me the name of the standard C math library? i want to install it in ubuntu from the repositories
[23:10] <Noodels> Nothing, just someone complaining about linux because "It's ****".
[23:10] <EvilAIM> Hey, is there a way to load IRSSI via menu?
[23:10] <EnigmaCurry> Noodels: Tell em google uses it quite a bit.
[23:10] <EvilAIM> or do I have to run it via virtual console?
[23:10] <twoshadetod> EvilAIM, you could probably make a launcher for it
[23:10] <twoshadetod> EvilAIM, I'm sure you can do the same by adding it ot the menu manually
[23:11] <Noodels> It's python he's specifically annoyed at.
[23:11] <redhatrik> Noodels: If you really want to impress them, tell 'em that MetaSploit uses it rather heavily :-D
[23:11] <eegore> is there a package that allows the mouse to work in a text terminal for something like lynx
[23:11] <EvilAIM> got it.
[23:11] <kitche> ast time I checked metasploit uses ruby redhatrik at least now
[23:11] <EvilAIM> I had to change "TYPE" from application to application in terminal
[23:11] <twoshadetod>  /secretly googles "metasploit" grinning to himself
[23:12] <astro76> T` you should just be replacing the URL in the lines for the standard repos, not adding new lines
[23:12] <EnigmaCurry> eegore: I'm on a fresh install of gutsy and the mouse works in links2
[23:12] <redhatrik> yes, one of the last changes to it (from 1.0 to 2.0 I believe) was to implement more ruby-related constructs
[23:12] <Noodels> Does world of warcraft use any python?
[23:12] <T`> astro76, but do i have to change the feisty to gutsy as well?
[23:12] <redhatrik> sorry; from 2.0 to 3.0
[23:13]  * redhatrik was suprised at how much more quickly the latest ver loaded than the prev.........
[23:13] <astro76> T`, sorry I thought you said, update, you said upgrade
[23:13] <T`> yea
[23:13] <T`> astro76, any idea on how i can do that from upgrade?
[23:13] <EvilAIM> hmm
[23:13] <eegore> EnigmaCurry: I have to use Feisty on this lappy
[23:13] <astro76> T` yeah the upgrade manager changes the sources.list first thing... if I had to guess I'd say a manual apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:14] <eegore> power control for Gutsy is problematic
[23:14] <EnigmaCurry> eegore: Sorry that I don't know what package makes it work.. it's just stock. It's pretty neat though.. even works over SSH
[23:14] <T`> astro76, i was wondering if that would be ok to do or not
[23:14] <astro76> T`, not sure if there's a way to use the upgrade manager to do that, maybe someone else does ;)
[23:14] <Brandenatwork> need some help, I cannot log completely into gnome cause my initial boot sound (drums) keeps repeating.  How do I kill this process
[23:14] <EnigmaCurry> eegore: maybe you should just try installing links2?
[23:15] <astro76> T`, I've read in here that the upgrade manager is the way the upgrade should be done now, I don't know what the difference is
[23:15] <T`> astro76, oh ok.. np
[23:15] <T`> i'm reading their sources
[23:15] <CyberSlug> Hello all! Does anyone know how to recover the notification-daemon popups? Or which package provides them?
[23:15] <Tornadochas3r01> hi
[23:15] <Brandenatwork> how do i kill the audio process?
[23:16] <CyberSlug> My avant-window-navigator once stole them, but thereafter, it never worked the other way.
[23:16] <Tornadochas3r01> \i need help with apache 2 setting virtual server up on without a domain,
[23:16] <tanath> epiphany keeps crashing on me when i recover the session, but i don't want to lose it. can anyone help?
[23:16] <Tornadochas3r01> i have webmin
[23:16] <Tornadochas3r01> also
[23:16] <astro76> !webmin | Tornadochas3r01
[23:16] <ubotu> Tornadochas3r01: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[23:17] <Tornadochas3r01> webmin works fine
[23:17] <buttercups> Brandenatwork, you can disable the sound, System>Administration>Login Window>Accessibility tab
[23:17] <kitche> Tornadochas3r01: if you use webmind and trying to configure apache using it then you proibably won't get support here
[23:17] <shingoki> Anyone know if anything is being done about this?  https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html
[23:17] <Ahmuck> anybody using vbox on gutsy?
[23:18] <Tornadochas3r01> well
[23:18] <Tornadochas3r01> with apache
[23:18] <Kenny3> how can i use my canon pixma ip4000 printer ? i know that driver u gotta pay for, but no thanks....
[23:18] <Tornadochas3r01> how do i set it up without havinmg a dopmain like having a website on a dif port e
[23:19] <bulmer> Tornadochas3r01-> there is a #apache channel you can ask for specifics
[23:19] <Tornadochas3r01> ok
[23:19] <codeshah> anyone use PIXEL instead of GIMP?
[23:20] <Kenny3> no graphic tablet, no printer, no hardware supported at all... bye bye ubuntu/linux
[23:20] <wamty> anyone know what i need to do to get ubuntu to recognize those 2 side buttons on my mouse?
[23:20] <carbo> can i get help with an external drive problem?
[23:20] <tekteen> sure
[23:20] <tekteen> what?
[23:20]  * juan cries over kenny3 leaving
[23:20] <carbo> I have an 80g ex drive...and ubuntu cant read it
[23:20] <bulmer> lolz
[23:20] <wamty> anyone know what i need to do to get ubuntu to recognize those 2 side buttons on my mouse?
[23:21] <shingoki> Kenny3: Really? my tablet works ok, it just needed a minor change to a config file, and event that wasn't necessary in feisty
[23:21] <tekteen> is there an error message>
[23:21] <tekteen> ?
[23:21] <carbo> um yea...one sec
[23:21] <juan> wamty: it does, just no programs work with it
[23:21] <BrightEyes`> whats the name of the c math library?
[23:21] <Kenny3> shingoki: what tablet? wacom? i hav aiptek hyperpen 8000 u
[23:21] <bulmer> libmath.so ?
[23:21] <wamty> Anyone?
[23:22] <shingoki> Kenny3: Ah yeah, a wacom
[23:22] <juan> wamty: you need to add some stuff to xorg.conf but after that only ff will work withit unless you install another program, give me 2 minutes to remember
[23:22] <akial13> hello and good bye (night) ;-))
[23:22] <juan> a.k.a google
[23:22] <carbo> haha nvm?
[23:22] <wamty> for whatever reason, right now it's recognizing them as just left and right click...
[23:22] <carbo> it works now for some reason
[23:22] <tekteen> nvm?
[23:22] <carbo> earlier i got just a weird error
[23:22] <wamty> so i keep trying to use the left one to go back in firefox and end up clickin on all these ads.
[23:22] <tekteen> ok
[23:22] <carbo> yea im fine now...thx tho
[23:22] <tekteen> np
[23:22] <juan> wamty: o right so you alread enabled them, and they were working fine?
[23:23] <kingnothing> Can I get some help using fdisk to partition out 400gb of a 500gb hard drive? I want to leave the other 100gb alone to use with a separate windows install
[23:23] <vlt> Hello. I have installed Ubuntu 7.10 and the pkg nfs-kernel-server. When I copy files from a client the server totaly freezes within the first 60 seconds of data transfer. There's no hint in syslog. Any idea?
[23:23] <holycow> kingnothing: use cfdisk instead
[23:23] <wamty> so?
[23:24] <j85wilson> odd problem:  during screensaver, my display froze, and no input (keyb/mouse) was accepted.  ssh was still available, but killing nearly all processes (even going to runlevel 1) didn't fix things.
[23:24] <kingnothing> holycow: why's that?
[23:24] <j85wilson> Xorg was taking 100% of the cpu, and even kill -9 $Xorg-PID  didn't stop it.
[23:24] <shingoki> kingnothing: yup that should be possible - are you planning to install and boot windows on the same drive?
[23:24] <juan> wamty: what happend that changed it from working to not working
[23:24] <j85wilson> it turned into a zombie process, still taking 100% of the cpu.
[23:24] <holycow> kingnothing: mainly because it has a nice curses interface to let you partition out an hd
[23:25] <j85wilson> I filed a bug report, but I was wondering if anyone else had seen something like this in Gutsy?
[23:25] <b1n42y> damn i was going to tell kenny not to give up
[23:25] <kartika78>  Salve O ¤ « #ubuntu » ¤ -={®} |[ R3L04D3D.ScRiPt ]| {®}=-
[23:25] <kingnothing> shingoki: right now, i have a drive with windows and ubuntu on it. I bought a 500gb drive i'd like to use for what I said, with the new 400gb partition to be used as a home directory. the rest for windows is just going to be extra storage, formatted ntfs
[23:25] <kartika78> hi
[23:25] <b1n42y> try a different distro its worth it
[23:25] <b1n42y> /
[23:25] <tekteen> van someone help me with my preseed file? It does not answer the questions but I do not get an error that it can't find the preseed. The file is pasted at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42757/
[23:25] <Tornadochas3r01> no one is helping ):
[23:25] <Tornadochas3r01> on apache channe;
[23:25] <juan> j85wilson you can kill the vt xorg is on alt+prtsc+k
[23:25] <kitche> kartika78: spamming the channel with your script when you join is very bad :)
[23:25] <kingnothing> holycow: thanks
[23:25] <shingoki> kingnothing: ah right, I was just checking you weren't going to install windows after ubuntu and kill ubuntu :)
[23:25] <holycow> np
[23:26] <j85wilson> juan: does that work over ssh?
[23:26] <k2yak> hello ppl
[23:26] <juan> j85wilson: dont think so
[23:26] <b1n42y> its a bad time...ive been on all night... there where ppl on here b4 that where like gurus
[23:26] <kartika78> i need help with wifi, it worked on my previous kernel but when i updated i cant manage to get it work
[23:26] <j85wilson> juan: I tried to kill X with Ctrl-Alt-backspace
[23:26] <j85wilson> juan: but no keyboard input was getting through.
[23:27] <kartika78> anyone can help me in pvt?
[23:27] <juan> alt+prtsc+r switches keyboard into raw mode but im not sure it works remotly
[23:27] <kartika78> anyone can help me in private?
[23:27] <j85wilson> hmmm, raw mode sounds like it might have been useful....
[23:28] <j85wilson> kartika78: patience. If someone can, they will.
[23:28] <j85wilson> asking every 30 seconds won't help.
[23:28] <kartika78> ok
[23:29] <Supaplex> kartika78: try 'smart questions', like what kind of wifi problem...
[23:29] <j85wilson> if after several minutes, you've had no response, repeat your question, possibly with more detail (what card you have, that sort of thing)
[23:29] <tekteen> can someone help me with my preseed file? It does not answer the questions but I do not get an error that it can't find the preseed. The file is pasted at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42757/
[23:30] <dstadulis> ever since upgrading to 7.10 I am unable to mount any usb device, I have an install of xubuntu (feisty) and the devices work in xubuntu but not in my regular 7.10 ubuntu partition. anyone heard of a similar problem? or point me in a direction
[23:30] <wolliw> can i use 32bit drivers in 64bit ubuntu?
[23:30] <j85wilson> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is a verrry good read for those needing help.
[23:30] <kartika78> my card is a Broadcom, the kernel is 2.6.20-16-generic, the problem is no connectivity
[23:30] <Hellsbovine> Looking for a good bootable harddrive diagnostic CD image.
[23:31] <bulmer> kartika78-> what have you done to test?
[23:31] <wolliw> Yes, it is...
[23:31] <johnny_> hi folks,  ssh bash completion doesn't seem to work out of the box on gutsy
[23:31] <j85wilson> kartika78: I doubt I can help, not my area of expertise, but what have you tried?
[23:31] <disinterested> does mencoder no longer convert a wmv into .avi?
[23:31] <kartika78> if i boot with the old kernel it works
[23:31] <johnny_> i looked into known_hosts, do you happen to know why?
[23:31] <johnny_> it doesn't seem to contain normal host names anymore
[23:31] <juan> j85wilson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Command_line_access_and_configuration , you seam to knwo quite alot so this will be easyier for you to figure out than me
[23:31] <kartika78> if i make a ping it tells me destination unreachable
[23:32] <chris85> I currently have ubuntu 7.10 (no dual partition, only Ubuntu).  I have to put windows xp back on (so I can run a few windows only programs for work.)  If it is possible to create a new partition for windows, that is fine but only using windows for a while might be easier.  I have found a lot of info online for partitioning ubuntu from windows, but not the other way.  Any help?
[23:32] <j85wilson> juan: thanks
[23:32] <kartika78> if i do ifconfig it find it
[23:32] <sabina> Hi I am spanish , anybody have Mercury messenger?
[23:32] <Hellsbovine> Looking for a good bootable harddrive diagnostic CD image.
[23:32] <kartika78> if i do lsmod all seems ok and also ndiswrapper
[23:32] <j85wilson> ooh I forgot about sysrq stuff... yay for kernel black magic!
[23:33] <juan> thank compiz for driving me to learn it
[23:33] <kartika78> if i run wifi-radar it connects and disconnects me repeatedly
[23:33] <kartika78> what do i have to do?
[23:33] <phaedra> Hellsbovine, systemrecue cd...
[23:33] <bulmer> kartika78-> type dhclient wlan0
[23:33] <Hellsbovine> phaedra ??
[23:34] <kartika78> i dont have dhcp
[23:34] <phaedra> Hellsbovine, http://www.sysresccd.org/
[23:34] <kartika78> i usually insert the ip [M^A^N^U^8^1] ally
[23:34] <j85wilson> juan: thanks again.  This is pretty slick stuff that I didn't even know about.
[23:35] <kartika78> i usually insert the ip manvally
[23:35] <Hellsbovine> phaedra looked, doesn't seem to have a badblock checker.
[23:35] <Magdin> Hi everyone, have a problem with sound - no sound at all with Gutsy! I installed manually latest ALSA (v15) and no success. My sound log from alsa-script.sh is here  - http://pastebin.ca/755861. Please help
[23:35] <bulmer> kartika78-> you must respond with a prefix of the nick to whom you're responding to
[23:36] <j85wilson> Magdin: did you install from CD (clean install) or upgrade with upgrade-manager from feisty?
[23:36] <kartika78> bulmer-> i was talking to you
[23:36] <kingnothing> for this second hard drive i'm adding, is there any reason I need to reserve 5% for root? 20gb seems excessive
[23:36] <Magdin> j85wilson: from CD. I updated but i got million other problems. so i reinstalled from live CD
[23:36] <bulmer> kartika78-> who owns the AP?
[23:37] <j85wilson> harrumph.  Well, that's the only fix I know of... :-p
[23:37] <phaedra> Hellsbovine, fsck should do that...  fsck -c
[23:37] <j85wilson> But then I don't know much about the sound.
[23:37] <Magdin> j85wilson: can i have alsa and oss installed at the same time?
[23:37] <j85wilson> Magdin: have you checked your mixer levels?
[23:37] <Magdin> j85wilson: i did, even installed alsa gui mixer, nothing works
[23:37] <kartika78> bulmer -> i answered in pvt
[23:38] <Magdin> j85wilson: how can i debug it step by step?
[23:38] <bulmer> kartika78-> i dont do prvt messaging
[23:38] <j85wilson> Magdin: checked lsmod for appropriate modules?
[23:38] <kartika78> -> ok.. the AP is mine
[23:38] <m1sha> update-grub will not update grub. It makes no change to menu.lst (even when I delete it). Short of writing it by hand can anyone offer any help?
[23:38] <Magdin> j85wilson: have a look here -  http://pastebin.ca/755861 is it all i need?
[23:38] <kartika78> bulmer-> ok.. the AP is mine
[23:38] <j85wilson> Magdin: I'm not sure... sound is a bit of a black box to me.  My experience has always been either that it just worked, or just doesn't... :-/
[23:39] <bulmer> kartika78-> did you try iwlist wlan0 scan  and gets connected?
[23:39] <Hellsbovine> phaedra alright, checking it out...
[23:39] <bulmer> kartika78-> did you try iwlist wlan0 scan  *rather see the access points in the area?
[23:39] <j85wilson> Magdin: speakers plugged in ;)
[23:39] <j85wilson> ?
[23:39] <Magdin> Guys, can I have alsa and oss installed at the same time?
[23:39] <tekteen> anyone know haw to write a preseed file? Mine is not working!
[23:40] <Magdin> j85wilson: its a notebook :)
[23:40] <j85wilson> heh
[23:40] <m1sha> Magdin: yes
[23:40] <kartika78> bulmer-> if i write that line i get the data of my AP
[23:40] <j85wilson> Magdin: when you say you installed the latest Alsa manually, do you mean from ubuntu reps or from upstream source?
[23:40] <tekteen> my pressed does not answer the questions but I do not get an error that it can't find the preseed. The file is pasted at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42757/
[23:40] <bulmer> kartika78-> you are using static ip addressing you say?
[23:40] <j85wilson> tekteen: what is a preseed file?
[23:40] <tators> so I'm in a directory where I can't create a new document
[23:41] <kartika78> bulmer -> yes
[23:41] <Magdin> j85wilson: got sources (driver, lib, util) compiled installed
[23:41] <tators> how do I allow myself to create the document?
[23:41] <j85wilson> tators: a permissions problem?
[23:41] <bulmer> kartika78-> how do you know its not in conflict with the dhcp server on the AP?
[23:41] <tators> j85: I guess so
[23:41] <tekteen> the file u use to answer questions to the debian install so the user does not
[23:41] <j85wilson> Magdin: you tried it with the ubuntu ALSA first, I assume?
[23:41] <Ward1983> i'm about to run ubuntu in vmware to format a SD card (with reiserfs, and cardreader not supported in native linux), whats the best option to get gpart running? is that possible with the liveCD somehow?
[23:42] <kartika78> bulmer->because if i boot with the old kernel it works fine
[23:42] <tekteen> It pre answers questions
[23:42] <NolanG> This may be the wrong place to ask, and if so, please direct me somewhere else: I have a bash script that opens a new X display and starts a program.  If I run it from inside gnome-terminal, it works fine.  If I run it through a launcher, X starts, but the program that runs in X never starts.  This occurs even if the launcher command is "gnome-terminal -x myscript.sh".  Any thoughts?
[23:42] <j85wilson> tekteen: thanks.  Unfortunately, I have no idea how to help you.
[23:42] <temp1234> ive had about 10 cycles in the last 10 mintues for my hd, does that have anything to do with that bug?
[23:42] <tekteen> ok
[23:42] <Ward1983> i mean gparted
[23:42] <tators> j85: how do I fix my permissions problem?
[23:42] <j85wilson> tators: what directory, if I might ask?
[23:42] <tators> var/www
[23:42] <j85wilson> (want to make sure its something that it is kosher to change the permissions on)
[23:42] <j85wilson> ah
[23:42] <j85wilson> ok
[23:43] <j85wilson> what does ls -l /var/www say
[23:43] <m1sha> does anyone know anything about grub? please?
[23:43] <Magdin> j85wilson: yes bu i couldnt run sound recorder and skype want working eather (no sound). Now i can round sound recorder but all apps without sound
[23:43] <bulmer> kartika78-> pastebin your iwconfig  results please
[23:43] <j85wilson> Magdin: did aps other than skype have sound?
[23:43] <tators> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root apache
[23:43] <Magdin> j85wilson: yes
[23:43] <tators> -rw-r--r-- 1 text.php
[23:43] <j85wilson> ack! tators stop, my bad.
[23:43] <Magdin> j85wilson: some of them did
[23:44] <j85wilson> should have been ls -ld /var/www
[23:44] <tators> drwxr-xr-x /var/www
[23:44] <j85wilson> Magdin: that is a very odd problem indeed....  It is quite likely out of my league...
[23:44] <Omegacenti> phaedra, if the bad blocks turns out okay, does that mean the hard drive is still good?
[23:44] <bulmer> m1sha-> your system wouldnt boot?
[23:44] <j85wilson> tators: is that cut and pasted?  if not, who are the owner and group?
[23:45] <m1sha> bulmer: it will boot, just not the right kernel
[23:45] <bislo_> join #ubuntu
[23:45] <tators> I am the owner, its a local box
[23:45] <tators> but it doesn't have internet
[23:45] <tators> so I'm typing this on a diff box
[23:45] <Magdin> j85wilson: yeah im confused. i can try to reinstall it again, but i'm sick of doing it again and again
[23:45] <j85wilson> Magdin: fair enough...  I really wish I could be more help.
[23:45] <bulmer> m1sha-> then modify the /boot/grub/menu.lst to point to correct kernel
[23:45] <Magdin> j85wilson: no worries, thanks anyway
[23:46] <bulmer> m1sha-> or at grub prompt you can type boot=/where/the/kernelis
[23:46] <j85wilson> tators: what are the three fields after drwxr-xr-x ?
[23:46] <tators> root root 4096
[23:46] <j85wilson> ahhhh
[23:46] <kartika78> bulmer-> i'm not writing from that machine(it is my notebook) i'm writing from desktop, anyway the iwconfig tells: lo no wireless extension eth1 no wireless extension wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID: "Sitecom" Nickname:"Siteco"........
[23:46] <m1sha> bulmer: ok. but shouldn't update-grub do that for me? (also typing that at a grub prompt will throw an error, you need to load it with "kernel" first)
[23:46] <j85wilson> tators: that means that /var/www is owned by the user root and the group root.
[23:46] <phaedra> Omegacenti, If fsck reports the blocks as good, the drive should be fine...  The fs might have been corrupted oe something.
[23:46] <tators> ok
[23:47] <tators> well I'm the root too
[23:47] <Omegacenti> phaedra can that be recovered?
[23:47] <tators> its my box :)
[23:47] <phaedra> oe / or
[23:47] <j85wilson> tators: so, to write to that directory, you must be root  (as in sudo), or change the permissions, or change the group or owner.
[23:47] <bulmer> m1sha-> i dont know what update-grub?
[23:47] <bulmer> does
[23:47] <robilive_> good night!
[23:47] <Ward1983> nvm, i can just isntall it apperantly :-)
[23:47] <dstadulis> How would I use the output of <locate query> in a cd command,  I tried cd 'locate query' but that did not work
[23:48] <tators> j8wilson: I su rooted in bash
[23:48] <tators> but I still can't create files
[23:48] <j85wilson> tators: try sudo touch /var/www/dummy-file
[23:48] <m1sha> bulmer: it's a program for automatically adding all installed kernels to the grub menu (among other things)
[23:48] <bulmer> kartika78-> is an ip address assigned now to your machine? how about "route"  does it show it has a gateway?
[23:48] <tators> j8wilson: what does that do?
[23:49] <j85wilson> tators: that should either give an error or create an empty file named dummy-file
[23:49] <tators> ah it did
[23:49] <tators> what did touch do
[23:49] <j85wilson> it had better not give an error, though...
[23:49] <phaedra> Omegacenti, If you use -p yes...  It will autorepair with no questions...
[23:49] <j85wilson> touch just creates a file.
[23:49] <JediMaster> hey guys, got a weird one, just setting up gutsy on a friend's laptop, and with all the powersaving timeouts disabled in the BIOS it appears to send the laptop to sleep (while plugged into mains) after 1 minute, despite keyboard and mouse activity, any ideas?
[23:49] <tators> is there a resource I can read about ubuntu permissions
[23:49] <j85wilson> welllll
[23:49] <j85wilson> ooh
[23:49] <j85wilson> let me find one.
[23:49] <tators> thanks
[23:49] <phaedra> Omegacenti,  You should really run 'man fsck' though...
[23:49] <Omegacenti> phaedra what if it starts spitting out errors like nobodies business?
[23:50] <j85wilson> touch updates timestamps to the current time on existing files (it touches them), and if a file doesn't exist, it creates it.
[23:50] <JediMaster> very annoying when in the middle of typing and it just falls asleep
[23:50] <JediMaster> it's a narcoleptic laptop
[23:50] <phaedra> Omegacenti, If the drive is that bad it's time to retire it...
[23:51] <buttercups> !permission | tators
[23:51] <ubotu> tators: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[23:51] <phaedra> Omegacenti, How old is this drive/
[23:51] <kartika78> bulmer-> if i write route it gives: localnet * <IP_ADDRESS> U 0 0 0 wlan0
[23:51] <j85wilson> ahh, thanks buttercups
[23:51] <kurisutofuaa> When I do a apt-get install "Package" how do I set it up so that it will install all the recommended packages every time a install a "Package" with apt-get install?
[23:51] <Omegacenti> phaedra Dec 2005?
[23:51] <kartika78> bulmer-> default <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> UG 0 0 0 wlan0
[23:52] <bulmer> kartika78-> and what is the static ip address you assigned?
[23:52] <kartika78> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:52] <JediMaster> anyone have any ideas on the power saving going nuts? (also disabled in ubuntu's controls)
[23:52] <j85wilson> tators: it is easy to open up permissions on that directory, but that directory is one that you usually want pretty strict permissions on for security reasons.
[23:52] <tators> ah ok
[23:52] <tators> !directory | tators
[23:52] <bulmer> kartika78-> its hard to read what you pasted, pastebin the result
[23:53] <phaedra> Omegacenti, Wow...  It shouldn't be that bad unless it took a power hit while writing but it still should be recoverable...
[23:53] <tators> is there a good resource describing the different directories on ubunut
[23:53] <kartika78> bulmer-> how?
[23:53] <j85wilson> if you wanted to open up the permissions, you would do sudo chmod a+r /var/www
[23:53] <bulmer> kartika78-> can you copy and paste?
[23:53] <j85wilson> tators: the first link that ubotu gave you.
[23:53] <tators> cool
[23:53] <Omegacenti> phaedraI saved up this problem just for you.
[23:53] <b1n42y> does anyone know where wine gets installed to ?
[23:53] <LjL> b1n42y: dpkg -L wine
[23:54] <tators> then one last question: is there a good resource on the commands like chmod a+r ...
[23:54] <j85wilson> b1n42y: usually, my stomach.
[23:54] <tators> so I know what I'm actually doing
[23:54] <j85wilson> tators: man chmod
[23:54] <b1n42y> LjL, thanks
[23:54]  * JediMaster screams at the power management
[23:54] <kitche> b1n42y: umm /usr/bin/wine unless you mean the config files and such
[23:54] <phaedra> Omegacenti, the last time I had trouble like that was last month.  I had to reformat the drive but all sectos/blocks were good.
[23:54] <LjL> !man > tators    (tators, see the private message from Ubotu)
[23:54] <b1n42y> thanks
[23:54] <Omegacenti> phaedra how did your data turn out?
[23:55] <tators> thanks
[23:55] <j85wilson> tators: also the second link from ubotu, the one about permissions, does go into chmod and such.
[23:55] <j85wilson> !man > j85wilson
[23:55] <astro76> j85wilson, try this ;) /msg ubotu man
[23:55] <eegore> there are not a lot of pages that support text only browsers
[23:55] <j85wilson> astro76: thanks.
[23:55] <phaedra> Omegacenti, fsck repaired it enough to mount it properly but only 75% of the data was recoverable.  I have since put all my external drives on a power cord to the ups.
[23:55] <j85wilson> text only pages support text only browsers.
[23:56] <twoshadetod> how do i burn an .img file ? I see an option for .iso but not .img in k3d
[23:56] <kitche> twoshadetod: you don't you need to convert it to an iso
[23:56] <kartika78> bulmer-> Kernel IP routing table
[23:56] <kartika78> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
[23:56] <kartika78> localnet * <IP_ADDRESS> U 0 0 0 wlan0
[23:56] <kartika78> default <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> UG 0 0 0 wlan0
[23:56] <geirha> twoshadetod: ln -s the-image.img the-image.iso
[23:56] <astro76> !iso | twoshadetod see this link to convert to iso
[23:56] <ubotu> twoshadetod see this link to convert to iso: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[23:56] <twoshadetod> kitche, how do i burn it?
[23:57] <astro76> !paste | kartika78
[23:57] <ubotu> kartika78: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:57] <j85wilson> twoshadetod: someone else probably knows better than I, but if I had to guess, I'd say that a .img file is the same as a .iso file.
[23:57] <twoshadetod> geirha, does that change it to ?
[23:57] <tag> oh wow
[23:57] <tag> compiz...c'mon
[23:57] <CarlFK> how do I print in gimp?  (not sure what to put for "Printer Name" )
[23:57] <geirha> twoshadetod: it looks at the file-ending, so just make a symlink with .iso-ending
[23:57] <adrian> In am a complete newbee to linux and I am getting realy frustrated I have installed countless releases of ubuntu tried removing hardware and not installing updates but I can't get Linux MCE to mount in my HTPC
[23:57] <twoshadetod> j85wilson, it's looking that way i wonder if i can just rename it?
[23:57] <geirha> twoshadetod: and you should get the "write to disc" option
[23:57] <astro76> twoshadetod, no no no, see the link ubotu gave you for img2iso, convert it then burn the iso
[23:57] <jburd> twoshadetod: Open a terminal and type `file whateverfile.img`  Read what it tells you.
[23:57] <bulmer> kartika78-> that localnet,  what is that?  do you get same results as route with  netstat -ran?
[23:58] <geirha> astro76: oh, img and iso are different formats?
[23:58] <j85wilson> twoshadetod: if my guess is right, then yes.  Also, listen to jburd.
[23:58] <JediMaster> anyone any good with kernel power management features?
[23:58] <astro76> geirha, indeed
[23:58] <shenjing> CarlFK: if you installed the printer using Admin -> Printing
[23:58] <shenjing> CarlFK: you should be able to select a printer
[23:58] <astro76> .img is CloneCD apparently
[23:58] <geirha> twoshadetod: sorry, seems I was mistaken, don't listen to me :)
[23:58] <twoshadetod> jburd,  "clay@youngman:~/Desktop/007$ file liveandletdie.img
[23:58] <twoshadetod> liveandletdie.img: UDF filesystem data (version 1.5) 'LALD   "
[23:59] <kitche> adrian: might want to ask the MCE  channel for help since that's not supported here
[23:59] <kartika78> bulmer-> no
[23:59] <bulmer> kartika78-> whats that localnet equating to?
[23:59] <adrian> HOW DO i FIND THEM
[23:59] <j85wilson> adrian: calm.
[23:59] <kartika78> bulmer-> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:59] <astro76> adrian, please no caps, find what?
[23:59] <phillywhitetrash> how do i force a file system check after a reboot
[23:59] <CarlFK> shenjing: I just plugged in the printer, and got a "ready to print" bubble, and the printer shows up in Admin, Printing


[13:58] <dpm> for those who want to join the session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjsk16jg1c64ngroaoqte3o
[13:59] <cgoldberg> mhall119, got a hangout link for app performance?
[14:00] <nik90> cgoldberg: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjsk16jg1c64ngroaoqte3o
[14:02] <popey> dpm: you're live
[14:02] <karni> Hi dpm, you're live
[14:02] <dpm> thanks
[14:02] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-sdk-apps-performance
[14:02] <Kaleo> hi
[14:02] <dpm> for those who want to join the session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjsk16jg1c64ngroaoqte3o
[14:03] <Kaleo> any app dev around?
[14:03] <dpm> any app developers who'd like to join?
[14:03] <nik90> dpm: I only have questions
[14:03] <nik90> dpm: do I still join the hangout?
[14:03] <dpm> nik90, sure!
[14:04] <Kaleo> kenvandine, wanna join?
[14:04] <Kaleo> oSoMoN, ?N :)
[14:04] <oSoMoN> Kaleo, joining
[14:05] <pmcgowan> bfiller, ^^
[14:05] <bfiller> pmcgowan: yup I'll join
[14:05] <kenvandine> Kaleo, i might jump on in a few
[14:05] <Kaleo> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/15Gc9MKTQnhUcXtL9GrBdv8va6o8ZfPy_DelfTspbucs/edit#slide=id.p
[14:08] <popey> dpm: click on yourself so we see slides
[14:08] <popey> we see Kaleo while he's talking, not slides
[14:08] <mardy> +1
[14:08] <dpm> popey, yeah, did it a while ago, sorry
[14:08] <dpm> you'll get it after the delay
[14:09] <popey> kk
[14:13] <alex-abreu> Kaleo, are the instrumentation aqtc tool's results consistent when running on desktop & phone (they must be for some area but maybe not others), can we use it remotely ?
[14:13] <alex-abreu> QUESTION ^
[14:13] <Kaleo> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-performance.html
[14:16] <alex-abreu> Kaleo, :) ... yeah but in terms of GPU rendering etc ...
[14:16] <alex-abreu> Kaleo, so can we remotely use the tool?
[14:17] <dpm> alex-abreu, I understood that we can, but we'll ask Kaleo on the live session in a minute
[14:17] <alex-abreu> dpm, great thx
[14:18] <pmcgowan> alex-abreu, I think the other approach is to use a higher bar metric on the faster platform when you measure
[14:19] <cgoldberg> besides rendering time, are there any other internal performance metrics that can be logged to console?
[14:19] <alex-abreu> pmcgowan, yeah *if* the measures stay proportionate relative to one and another when running on the phone which is not a given afaik
[14:19] <pmcgowan> ack
[14:22] <pmcgowan> is it mir or some combination of upstart apparmor etc?
[14:22] <popey> Nope. I don't agree that it's just mir
[14:23] <popey> Before mir, app startup was still poor, multi-second sometimes.
[14:23] <pmcgowan> what is the best way to analyze app startup ?
[14:23] <greyback> Prelinking might be an idea too: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Prelink
[14:23] <kgunn> just an fyi, if you you've got the choice, have your gl texture sizes in power of two will often help perf
[14:24] <popey> +1 qmlscene.
[14:27] <pmcgowan> dpm, lets take an action to do the analysis, assign to me or bill?
[14:27] <dpm> pmcgowan, ack
[14:28] <ChrisGagnon> cgoldberg: you can use benchmark_ in qmltestrunner
[14:28] <cgoldberg> ChrisGagnon, nice.. I'll have to talk to about that
[14:29] <greyback> In 5.0 & 5.1, the profiling env var is QML_RENDERER_TIMING. But in 5.2 onwards, it is QSG_RENDER_TIMING
[14:30] <cgoldberg> ChrisGagnon, got a link to benchmark_ or qmltestrunner in general?
[14:30] <pmcgowan> dpm, btw running in the emulator shows performance issues as well since its much slower under emulation
[14:30] <oSoMoN> looks like the scene graph renderer is going to give us a much improved performance in Qt 5.2: http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/09/02/new-scene-graph-renderer/
[14:34] <popey> The discussion so far has mostly been about app startup and interaction. What about the shell itself? The UI becomes very sluggish once a few apps are open. Are we measuring that?
[14:34] <pmcgowan> popey, I think we know what that is
[14:34] <pmcgowan> something to do with graphics buffers, Kaleo looked into it
[14:34] <karni> So there's a difference between operation kicking in long (like waiting for a download from the store to start) which should be indicated by a spinner or something, and an operation taking unacceptably long on the UI thread (i.e. you press a button, see it's highlighted, when you lift a finger, it's still highlighted because the operation hooked to that button has not finished). The spinner is responsible of the developer, the latter ...
[14:34] <karni> ... visual feedback responsibility of the platform/framework to indicate "hey you, developer, you actually can do this better than what you did here".
[14:34] <popey> ok
[14:34]  * karni initially posted to wrong channel
[14:36] <pmcgowan> more a bug than a bp
[14:36] <karni> I meant that showing a spinner for long lasting operation is a responsibility of the developer. While indicating a long lasting operation on the UI thread would be the responsibility of the platform/framework.
[14:36] <popey> bug 1238684
[14:36] <udsbotu> Ubuntu bug 1227739 in unity-mir "duplicate for #1238684 Mir continues to render background application surfaces even when they're not visible" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227739
[14:37] <popey> maybe not, that's old
[14:37] <greyback> Yeah, we need to investigate the slowdown. Not sure what's wrong.
[14:37] <karni> Yes, you got my question right.
[14:37] <Kaleo> karni, sorry, I don't know the answer :)
[14:38] <karni> That's okay. What I mean is that we could try helping with a visual feedback to indicate "you're doing too much on UI thread".
[14:38] <cgoldberg> is there an API for the QtCreator Profiler?   I want to launch an app, profile actions, then extract timing data.. automagically
[14:38] <karni> That'd be pretty significant chunk of work, though, I can imagine.
[14:38] <dpm> alex-abreu, it seems the QML profiler works remotely too
[14:38] <alex-abreu> dpm, ok thx for getting back to me
[14:38] <karni> i.e. Android whould show ANR (App not responding) dialog after a couple seconds if you're doing too much on the UI thread.
[14:38] <Kaleo> http://qt-project.org/doc/qtcreator-2.8/creator-debugging-qml.html#setting-up-qml-debugging
[14:39] <karni> This encourages great focus on never doing more than minimum work on the main thread.
[14:40] <karni> Oh yeas, I love that. FPS, touches, view outlines, etc
[14:40] <greyback> Detecting hanging application: yes that's something we've in mind
[14:40] <karni> ack
[14:43] <pmcgowan> reasonably good but need more focus on it, measure and analyze
[14:47] <karni> QUESTION: Does our QML somehow reuse views in the background for long lists?
[14:47] <karni> i.e. the views that disappear at the top get reused and appear at the bottom
[14:48] <t1mp> karni: what do you mean with views?
[14:48] <mhall119> welcome to parenthood Kaleo  :)
[14:48] <karni> t1mp: whatever constitues a QML element showing info. a Label, for instance. or a whole tree of views
[14:49] <karni> 2 labels, image, button, whatever, bundled in one QML "Item"
[14:49] <karni> Do we just GC those or re-use them
[14:49] <greyback> The proper fix is for Mir to tell shell when the application has drawn it's first frame - only then can shell take the screenshot away
[14:50] <t1mp> karni: ok, got it. thanks
[14:50] <karni> Aha, so we have view re-use. Great!
[14:52] <t1mp> if you pageStack.push("url.of.a.qml") then it is only loaded when the push is called
[14:52] <t1mp> components get instantiated when you push them
[14:53] <t1mp> Items that are defined inside another loaded Item, are created/loaded before they are pushed
[14:55] <karni> Thanks for the session guys, I need to drop.
[14:56] <popey> no action about shell performance?
[15:00] <robotfuel> cgoldberg: we should add the report the the dashboard
[15:00] <cgoldberg> robotfuel, definitely.
[15:00] <pmcgowan> very good thanks
[15:01] <greyback> good session, thanks!
[15:01] <Neo31> thanks :)
[15:23] <ahayzen> vthompson, like .pls files?
[15:24] <ahayzen> vthompson, ah wrong channel lol
[15:26] <vthompson> ahayzen, haha
[15:26] <vthompson> ahayzen, and yes. But it seems that's not a use case.
[16:05] <dpm> Kaleo, and everyone else wanting to join: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpj6fmlcg38c0822d3h38e2c
[16:07] <dpm> Kaleo?
[16:07] <dpm> joining us?
[16:07] <bfiller> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-apps-systemapps-roadmap
[16:09] <Saviq> greyback, you wanna join the hangout?
[16:09] <greyback> ok
[16:09] <dpm> hangout for the live discussion: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpj6fmlcg38c0822d3h38e2c
[16:10] <dpm> notes: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-sdk-appstartupsplash
[16:10] <kalikianatoli> I'm also sdk
[16:10] <kalikianatoli> I can join
[16:10] <kalikianatoli> I think florian had a conflict with anothe session
[16:11] <dpm> thanks kalikianatoli
[16:15] <aquarius> sorry I'm late; now catching up with the discussion :)
[16:18] <aquarius> At least some people will want to use a screenshot *of* their app as the splash screen so that it looks like it starts up really fast. That may not be a good idea (it looks like your app has started but is unresponsive), but having guidelines on that might be a good idea
[16:19] <dpm> aquarius, fancy to join us? -> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpj6fmlcg38c0822d3h38e2c
[16:20] <aquarius> also, if we're doing multiple form factors, there ought to be a "cascade" defined: that is, define what happens for various splash screens being present. So, if you provide a portrait image and no landscape image, then on a  landscape form factor say "we will display your image as big as possible, centred, on a white background"
[16:21] <aquarius> an app can't update its own splash image -- the splash image will be stored with the click package, and apps can't write to their own package
[16:21] <aquarius> dpm, I'm not sure I'm totally caught up because I missed the first 15 minutes :)
[16:21] <aquarius> can join ifyou want me to
[16:22] <dpm> aquarius, here are some notes, but sure, always good seeing and talking to you!
[16:22] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-sdk-appstartupsplash
[16:52] <aquarius> I have a stupid question
[16:52] <aquarius> there's no way we can just... make app startup be faster?
[16:52] <aquarius> dpm, ^^
[16:53] <aquarius> Saviq, ^^
[16:53] <Saviq> aquarius, wrong session, and yes, but then we'll never reach startup time fast enough to not need a splash screen
[16:54] <Saviq> aquarius, especially since we don't actually control it
[16:54] <greyback> aquarius: yep, looking into preloading libraries needed, and Mir seems to cause a real startup slowdown too.
[16:54] <aquarius> ah, I saw a session about faster startup! I thought that was the OS, not apps :)
[16:54] <aquarius> Saviq, good call -- we will always need them, you think. fair comment.
[16:54] <aquarius> thank you, all :)
[16:55] <Saviq> aquarius, thanks, was very useful to have you there ;)
[16:55] <greyback> aquarius: thanks for dropping by!
[16:55] <aquarius> no worries :)
[16:55] <aquarius> I am fulfilling my role as an app developer :)
[18:06] <bfiller> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1q7yySh39k3Hspif_iE12AN2YNP1dIp8N1XDDVpJ0Aas/edit
[18:12]  * cwayne couldnt get pinyin to work
[18:12] <cwayne> even with latest trunk
[18:12] <bfiller> https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-moenicke/ubuntu-keyboard/ubuntu-keyboard-language-plugins/+merge/196105
[18:14] <cwayne> so this should switch over once the locale is changed automatically?
[18:15] <penk_> http://penkia.blogspot.tw/2013/06/ubuntu-touch-handwriting-recognition.html
[18:18] <penk_> what about voice recognition :P
[18:19] <penk_> here's a prototype https://github.com/penk/SlateKit/tree/master/IME/pocketsphinx
[18:19] <penk_> voice input, yup
[18:21] <cwayne> bfiller, tmoenicke_ : whenever i try to use it, i still get english words int he ribbon
[18:21] <tmoenicke_> cwayne: yes
[18:22] <bfiller> cwayne: we'll fix it
[18:22] <tmoenicke_> cwayne: lets try after the meeting
[18:22] <cwayne> tmoenicke_, sure thing
[18:22] <cwayne> bfiller, thanks
[18:26] <cwayne> are these plugins going to be click pkgs?
[18:27] <cwayne> rex tsai
[18:28] <tmoenicke_> cwayne: right thx
[18:28] <lool> bfiller: we can have a new click package type if you like
[18:28] <lool> bfiller: we discussed this in another session
[18:28] <lool> bfiller: but defining isolation/confinment is IMO too heavy here
[18:28] <lool> we can just review the source code of these special click packages
[18:29] <tmoenicke_> ok
[18:29] <lool> bfiller: we dont really need to enable thousands of new input methods to be shipped as click
[18:29] <cwayne> or we need to have them all preinstalled
[18:29] <lool> either way is fine
[18:29] <lool> the point is just that we dont need to develop a confinment methodology if we control all the input methods
[18:29] <cwayne> im +1 for either way, click pkgs make it the easiest to get a new one in the image
[18:36] <penk_> tmoenicke_: oh btw, there's an invokable needed, to change candidates on wordribbon from javascript
[18:36] <penk_> tmoenicke_: I had a brach back in June
[18:36] <penk_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~penk/phablet-extras/maliit-plugins-qml-candidates/revision/2135
[18:54] <tmoenicke_> penk_: ok i will add it
[21:38] <green-trine> http://geeks.pirillo.com norweigan ʇǝsʇ
[21:48] <green-trine> I just about loling over the frozen beauty of my Nexus 7 on AWS .. Is this appp going to be another addition ? http://code.google.com/p/debmarshal/
[21:49] <green-trine> I'll check the logs later .. thank-yous.


[06:25] <rberger> if I have a job that was started with an instance name like "tesla_1" is there a way to be able to say something like "stop on TYPE=tesla"?
[15:18] <SatanClaus> heyho
[15:19] <SatanClaus> I want to write an iptables firewall for my laptop and as ubuntu 9.10 uses upstart now, i thought I'd give it a try.
[15:20] <SatanClaus> so what I wanted to do was a firewall.conf script which sets up the firewall (basically: allow all out, allow related traffic in)... as it's only a few iptables commands I included it into a script block
[15:21] <SatanClaus> then i thought ok, maybe i want to be able to stop the firewall and so i wrote a post-stop script which flushes the iptables and allows everything again
[15:22] <SatanClaus> now my problem is that it seems as if the pre-start script, script and post-stop script are executed immediately, so the firewall is setup, but immediately torn down
[15:22] <SatanClaus> so, do i have to wait inside the script block?
[15:25] <SatanClaus> the task option doesn't change that behaviour, but perhaps there is some other keyword, which tells upstart that the script block is not some daemon, but just some commands that change the system's behaviour
[15:28] <SatanClaus> posted it here: http://pastebin.com/f642c88b8 I want to get rid of the "sleep 1d"
[15:29] <SatanClaus> oh and yes, i should respawn, but that's as nasty... I never want to restart the firewall if not necessary
[15:31] <sadmac2> SatanClaus: yes, upstart expects to follow a service, so when it detects that your script terminates it figures the service has died and tears it down again
[15:33] <sadmac2> SatanClaus: the solution is to not have a "script" stanza at all. Put your rules in pre-start and your teardown in pre-stop (or post stop. the difference is if its in pre-stop upstart won't say the firewall is off until /after/ it runs the flush. I don't know which behavior is right in this case)
[15:35] <SatanClaus> ok, will give it a try... is there any real documentation besides the http://upstart.ubuntu.com stuff? I mean like a proper language specification, etc.? I found Scott's blog entries, but they seem pretty old
[15:36] <sadmac2> SatanClaus: the manpages
[15:38] <SatanClaus> read them, but couldn't find respawn documented there
[15:38] <SatanClaus> as well as task
[15:40] <SatanClaus> cool, works if I move all the setup code into the pre-start script
[15:40] <SatanClaus> sadmac: thx
[15:44] <SatanClaus> sadmac: another question if you have time: you say that if i move the code into pre-stop it won't say the firewall is off until all flushing is done. Is this because if e.g. it fails during flush, the return command is wrong and upstart assumes that the pre-stop failed, so the "service" is still running?
[15:44] <SatanClaus> s/return command/return value/
[15:47] <sadmac2> SatanClaus: that, and the order of events is: emit starting event, pre-start script, start, emit started event, (running), emit stopping event, pre-stop script, stop, emit stopped event, post-stop script
[15:47] <sadmac2> SatanClaus: so its just a question of where in the lifecycle the flush really goes.
[15:51] <SatanClaus> ok, so you're right again, the tear-down should go into the pre-stop script.
[15:53] <SatanClaus> if i register some task "foo" to "start on stopping firewall", will that be executed before firewall's pre-stop script or before stop?
[15:53] <sadmac2> before the pre-stop
[15:54] <SatanClaus> ok, so analogously my firewall can be "start on starting networking", right?
[15:54] <SatanClaus> and does respawn make sense without exec or script stanza?
[15:57] <sadmac2> SatanClaus: respawn specifies behavior when the service crashes. If there's no exec/script that can't happen.
[16:08] <SatanClaus> sadmac: thanks a lot again... I just found the ufw.conf, which includes a pretty nice default firewall :-/
[16:08] <sadmac2> SatanClaus: I don't use ubuntu so I can't help you there :)