[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> heh
[12:00] <spacenuts> Hell-Razor: you know some funny chinese game where you have to compare blocks and click them
[12:00] <MaxeyPad> is there a way to pick individual packages during the installation
[12:00] <Seveas> nethack is good :)
[12:00] <Hell-Razor> Seveas: what languages? i do c, c++, java, pearl, and python
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> Seveas; only if you run it under gdb and it segfaults
[12:00] <Skaaa> dude i love that block game
[12:00] <spacenuts> topyli: tetravix kicks ass
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> Seveas; otherwise it's boring
[12:00] <Skaaa> i have it on my mac
[12:00] <Seveas> c, c++, java, perl, php, python and some others...
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> everyone must install enigma
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> it's in apt
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> it's ridiculously addictive
[12:01] <mattgirv> desrt_gabriel, no, that guide does not work for me
[12:01] <spacenuts> Skaaa: I know Mayjong is ust plain gun
[12:01] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, oh i have warcraft 3, world of warcraft, and hl2 running great...the only problem i have is with coutner-strike source...a black screen comes up when i try to play it and then it crashes
[12:01] <spacenuts> * fun
[12:01] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; i'm sorry to hear that.  what sort of card do you have?
[12:01] <mattgirv> basically i have already added fglrx driver under the xorg.conf, (9800 pro my card is)
[12:01] <desrt_gabriel> did you load the fglrx kernel module?
[12:01] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, java is a waste of tiem i think..i rarly do it
[12:01] <mattgirv> yes
[12:01] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, how do i check
[12:01] <Seveas> Hell-Razor, I have to do that for my work
[12:01] <mattgirv> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[12:01] <fusion88> i need help
[12:01] <fusion88> please
[12:01] <desrt_gabriel> ya.  that'll do  it
[12:02] <fusion88> some one pm
[12:02] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; did you follow all the instructions on that page?
[12:02] <mattgirv> yep
[12:02] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; it's non-trivial
[12:02] <Seveas> with what fusion88
[12:02] <MaxeyPad> is there a way to get 4 channel sound in beep?
[12:02] <spacenuts> Hell-Razor: wow you got all those games running? nice job
[12:02] <mattgirv> what do you mean?
[12:02] <fusion88> # sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:02] <Entity> what package is needed to play divx with totem?
[12:02] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; you need to compile the ati kernel module
[12:02] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; and install it
[12:02] <psi> hi. hald locks up whenever i plug in my logitech dual action gamepad. does anyone have any idea why?
[12:02] <mattgirv> i tried downloading it and manually compiling it
[12:02] <fusion88> i need help
[12:02] <Seveas> and the problem is fusion88?
[12:02] <mattgirv> it was complaining about an error, wait a sec ill tell you what it said
[12:03] <fusion88> pm me
[12:03] <fusion88> jesus
[12:03] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; you need to have a copy of the kernel sources around in order to build it
[12:03] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, heh i am not out of highschool yet..plus i want to do networking for my "job"..right now the place my mom works at just hired an administrater for there server and he went to the same college im going to...they hired him for 125$ an hour
[12:03] <mattgirv> it basically said kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[12:03] <fusion88> i have een in here 3 times every one justs ignores me
[12:03] <Seveas> that's good salary :)
[12:03] <Seveas> fusion88, I am offering you help
[12:03] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, its called cedega
[12:03] <fusion88> ok
[12:03] <Seveas> if you just state the problem....
[12:03] <mattgirv> but i thought linux-386 is the kernel sources
[12:03] <spacenuts> Hell-Razor: hmm don't know that
[12:04] <mattgirv> i looked at kernel-source-blahbalbhalh and my kernel version isn't there
[12:04] <Seveas> mattgirv, it is linux-source
[12:04] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, do you play any games? its basically "Wine"
[12:04] <fusion88> mm
[12:04] <Skaaa> totally unrelated question: whats the minimum processer and ram reccemended for running a server on? small server.
[12:04] <desrt_gabriel> Hell-Razor; gdb!
[12:04] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, its basically wine modified for games
[12:04] <mattgirv> Seveas, oh.. hehe :P
[12:05] <Seveas> :)
[12:05] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; the idea of the ati drivers is that they're half-binary and half-source
[12:05] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, wha?
[12:05] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; the source parts are enough that, within reason, you can compile a module for any kernel version
[12:06] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; so if your kernel version isn't 'listed' then you build your own
[12:06] <kibo> hello
[12:06] <desrt_gabriel> kibo?
[12:06] <mattgirv> yeah i got that error when running make in the buildmod folder
[12:06] <kibo> can kubuntu livecd install kubuntu to the hd?
[12:06] <fusion88> no
[12:07] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; i've never had to deal with these problems
[12:07] <kibo> so I have to install kubuntu from the install cd to install it to the HD
[12:07] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; gentoo took care of it for me.  when i got my new LCD monitor i switched to using the open source drivers since the binary ones didn't support DVI on my card.  now that i'm in unbuntu i'm just using the free drivers still
[12:07] <djtansey> anyone here a creative ubuntu installer? i'm trying to get array 6 onto a laptop that has no CD or floppy. i have gotten it to boot using grub for dos. unfortunately it turns out the wireless card i have (lost the ethernet card) isn't automatically supported. suggestions? (the wifi card is a linksys card -- 802.11g)
[12:08] <mattgirv> ah
[12:08] <mattgirv> i used gentoo for a while, but i really don't have time for it, installation wise anyway, i just cant afford to spend all day compiling my system :)
[12:09] <Seveas> djtansey, linksys has no native linux drivers too...
[12:09] <kibo> weird why doesnt' kubuntu come with firefox
[12:09] <djtansey> Seveas: yeah... i know
[12:09] <djtansey> Seveas: guesses?
[12:09] <MaxeyPad> does anyone know how to get 4 channel audio under ubuntu?
[12:10] <bur[n] er> MaxeyPad: ubuntuguide help?
[12:10] <Seveas> djtansey, sorry, not really
[12:10] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; use the fine multitasking capabilities of the linux kernel :)
[12:10] <bur[n] er> MaxeyPad: nevermind, it's not there
[12:10] <dabi> hmm where do i have to go to add to my username rights to edit /var/www ?
[12:11] <bur[n] er> dabi: add that user to www
[12:11] <bur[n] er> er... hte www group
[12:11] <dabi> yah.. where? :)
[12:11] <djtansey> anyone ever done an install from a pcmcia drive? (i have an CF card i can put in my pcmcia adapter)
[12:11] <dabi> i know how to do it in mdk but not in ubuntu..
[12:11] <MaxeyPad> Already looked, nothing there
[12:11] <MaxeyPad> yeh
[12:11] <Skaaa> this is so sweet, im going to have four computers in my room soon
[12:11] <Skaaa> 11 in my house total
[12:11] <Seveas> dabi, man adduser
[12:11] <Seveas> :)
[12:11] <dabi> hmm lol too easy.. :P
[12:12] <bur[n] er> dabi: use the gnome "users and groups" thing
[12:12] <kent> Skaaa, what do you need them all tfor?  I have one, and its enough for me :)
[12:12] <MaxeyPad> your energy bill probably sucks skaa :)
[12:12] <dabi> srry.. im still noob with ubuntu :(
[12:12] <bur[n] er> dabi: run "users-admin"
[12:12] <MaxeyPad> I've got like 4 and I almost think its excessive sometimes
[12:12] <dabi> started using linux 1 month ago.. :)
[12:12] <mattgirv> right look, im now trying to make the newest drivers,
[12:13] <mattgirv> im running sudo sh make.sh (in the /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod dir) and it says...
[12:13] <mattgirv> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[12:13] <mattgirv> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[12:13] <jmob> http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/ubuntu.png
[12:13] <mattgirv> nice speed :)
[12:14] <psi> hald locks up whenever i plug in my logitech dual action gamepad. does anyone have any idea why?
[12:14] <Seveas> mattgirv, you did download the right set of kernel headers?
[12:14] <jmob> psi: search the bugzilla
[12:14] <mattgirv> well my kernel is 2.6.10-4
[12:14] <psi> ok
[12:14] <mattgirv> i downloaded linux-sources-2.6.10
[12:14] <mattgirv> :/
[12:14] <duncanm> hola
[12:14] <jmob> psi: for hald and ubuntu, report a bug if you can't find anything
[12:14] <Seveas> you should not download the sources
[12:14] <duncanm> where do i find logs to see why something from init.d is not starting properly?
[12:14] <Seveas> only the headers
[12:14] <mattgirv> :/
[12:14] <mattgirv> erm.. how? :P
[12:14] <kibo> its weird there is no torrent for kubuntu
[12:14] <duncanm> Samba stopped working
[12:15] <jmob> duncanm: /var/log
[12:15] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-headers-$VERSION
[12:15] <jmob> duncanm: grep -ir 'samba' .
[12:15] <Seveas> kibo, that's because kubuntu is not yet final
[12:15] <kibo> seems to work ok
[12:15] <jmob> duncanm: probably something like /var/log/samba or /var/log/smb
[12:16] <mattgirv> Seveas, aHHHH downloading now :)
[12:16] <mattgirv> bah,
[12:16] <mattgirv> i still get the error
[12:16] <Seveas> hmm
[12:16] <dabi> i added my self to www-data restart x? i dont have rights yet..
[12:16] <mattgirv> Setting up linux-headers-2.6.10-4 (2.6.10-25.2) ...
[12:17] <mattgirv> hmm, but my kernel is 2.6.10-4 , whats the stuff within the brackets ?
[12:17] <duncanm> hrm
[12:17] <duncanm>   params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file.
[12:18] <duncanm> ah, i figured it out
[12:18] <duncanm> i think the new sharing stuff in nautilus is buggy
[12:18] <mattgirv> i haven't , this is a wierd problem :(
[12:24] <jmob> dabi: you inherit rights from what your shell had when you initally started everything up
[12:24] <jmob> dabi: so if you added yourself to something new, you need to restart in order to get the new privs
[12:24] <jmob> dabi: if you start a new shell though, it'll have to the new privs
[12:24] <jmob> s/to the/the/
[12:27] <Monoboy> Hello, I'm having problems with startx right after install. I get this error when running the startx command:
[12:28] <Monoboy>  /usr/bin/X11/startx: line 140: xinit: command not found
[12:31] <jmob> DarthFrog: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
[12:32] <topyli> Monoboy: xinit is in the xbase-clients package
[12:33] <Monoboy> I'm new to Linux, so what does that mean?
[12:34] <Monoboy> I installed Ubuntu twice, and after install I'd get to the prompt for username and password, and then it'd just put me in bash.
[12:34] <fusion88> i need help
[12:34] <fusion88> can some one pm me
[12:34] <jmob> fusion88: What's the problem?
[12:34] <fusion88> i need some one good at linux
[12:34] <fusion88> jmod can u pm me
[12:34] <jmob> fusion88: Why don't you say the problem here so more people can potentially help?
[12:34] <topyli> Monoboy: it means you need to have that package installed. try 'sudo apt-get install xbase-clients'
[12:34] <fusion88> ok
[12:35] <fusion88> i have a belkin
[12:35] <fusion88> usb
[12:35] <fusion88> wireless card
[12:35] <fusion88> i need help installin it
[12:35] <fusion88> i know u cant use
[12:35] <fusion88> amtel drivers
[12:35] <fusion88> but there really hard to install
[12:35] <fusion88> so
[12:35] <fusion88> is there a way i can install it easy
[12:35] <fusion88> i can us ndiswrapper
[12:36] <fusion88> i am confused
[12:36] <fusion88> cannt
[12:36] <jmob> fusion88: buy a new wireless card?
[12:37] <fusion88> :(
[12:37] <cavediver> I'm having problem with archive manager. It won't extract my rar fles. Archive not supported it says.
[12:37] <jmob> cavediver: sudo apt-get install rar
[12:37] <confrey> hieverybody
[12:37] <roybattius> cavediver: it doesn't suppport rar
[12:37] <jmob> roybattius: yes it does
[12:37] <scorpix> is there laptop that 100% compatible with ubuntu?
[12:37] <jmob> roybattius: if you install the rar untility it does
[12:37] <cavediver> roybattius: it dit, a week ago, then it broke
[12:38] <roybattius> hmm
[12:38] <cavediver> jmob: package not availible
[12:38] <roybattius> fileroller seems to be borked in another way too
[12:38] <confrey> I have installed ubuntu hoary rc 5.04 on my laptop; hibernation works fine,but I can't use sleep and resume; how can I do it?
[12:38] <cavediver> I have unrar installed though
[12:38] <jmob> cavediver: apt-cache search rar?
[12:38] <jmob> fusion88: I dunno, never had experience with that
[12:38] <cavediver> jmob: it gives huge amount of hits.
[12:38] <fusion88> j
[12:39] <jmob> fusion88: google is your friend, if all else fails look for a card that people say is supported and buy it
[12:39] <preglow> how do i update the nvidia kernel modules for a new kernel?
[12:39] <cavediver> doesn't seem to exist a rar package in my sources
[12:39] <paulproteus> fusion88: What are you trying to do?
[12:39] <kibo> is kubuntu not stable enough to use?
[12:39] <jmob> cavediver: apt-cache search|egrep '^rar.*'
[12:40] <cavediver> E: You must give exactly one pattern
[12:40] <jmob> cavediver: apt-cache search|grep -E '^rar.*'
[12:40] <jmob> err
[12:40] <jmob> cavediver: apt-cache search rar|grep -E '^rar.*'
[12:41] <confrey> I have installed ubuntu hoary rc 5.04 on my laptop; hibernation works fine,but I can't use sleep and resume; how can I do it?
[12:41] <jmob> cavediver: it's in Debian, maybe you don't have all the repos like multiverse/universe?
[12:41] <cavediver> no hit besides rarpd unfortunately
[12:41] <cavediver> jmob: i have both.
[12:41] <cavediver> But then i get errors trying to get oppenoffice2 so maybe something is wrong in my sources.list
[12:42] <jmob> cavediver: when's the late time you ran ``apt-get update'' manually?
[12:42] <jmob> s/late/last/
[12:42] <cavediver> today
[12:42] <cavediver> I run Hoary
[12:42] <cavediver> can i post my sources.list somewhere ?
[12:42] <jmob> fusion88: Linux isn't exactly a nice place as far as supporting every bit of hardware imaginable
[12:42] <kibo> if I install kubuntu now, will I have to format and reinstall to update to the new releases?
[12:42] <jmob> cavediver: rafb.net/paste
[12:43] <Ad-Rock> cavediver pastebin.com
[12:43] <cavediver> kibo: why not intstall kde in ubuntu ?
[12:43] <kibo> well what's kubuntu for
[12:43] <cavediver> I dont know :)
[12:43] <dabi> is there some gui for apache2 conf in ubuntu?
[12:44] <Ad-Rock> kibo: well, i think its just for ppl that only want kde in their systems :P
[12:44] <kibo> I dont know how to install kde thats why
[12:44] <cavediver> jmob: it's posted.
[12:44] <jmob> cavediver: where?
[12:44] <Monoboy> Hmm... I still get the same error after running that command. I think I'm about to give up.
[12:44] <jmob> cavediver: what's the link?
[12:44] <ompaul> kibo you should really ask that in #kubuntu where the kde heads are all hanging out
[12:44] <cavediver> http://rafb.net/paste/results/BmZrDN71.html
[12:44] <mattgirv> dammit :( i am SOOO close to installing ati drivers
[12:44] <kibo> ok
[12:44] <mattgirv> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:44] <mattgirv> make: *** [kmod_build]  Error 2
[12:44] <ompaul> kibo, if only that you would be in the presence of those that use kde more than gnome
[12:45] <mattgirv> what shall i do? :(
[12:45] <Ad-Rock> kibo: sudo apt-get install kde-core
[12:45] <cavediver> jmob: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BmZrDN71.html
[12:46] <cavediver> Is it something with that restriced thing in the primary repository ?
[12:46] <jmob> cavediver: oh, amd64, that might be why
[12:46] <cavediver> Hmm, i see...
[12:47] <cavediver> I thought all packages availible in i386 was in amd64.....
[12:47] <jmob> DarthFrog: dude, I don't give a crap if you're away, please turn that off
[12:47] <jmob> cavediver: no, not entirely
[12:48] <jmob> cavediver: I have an amd64 system at home, and that hasn't been the case for me
[12:48] <jmob> cavediver: there's still some stuff that won't compile for one reason
[12:48] <jmob> (or possibly multiple reasons)
[12:48] <cavediver> Ahh ok..
[12:48] <mattgirv> please can someone help with this error = make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:49] <jmob> cavediver: you can try compiling it yourself and using checkinstall to install it
[12:49] <cavediver> well.. i will  have a look.
[12:49] <jmob> cavediver: or... try looking at the config for archive manager, maybe you can tell it what program to use for rar
[12:49] <cavediver> unrar e works in console
[12:50] <cavediver> It's strange that it has worked up until a week ago.
[12:50] <cavediver> Suddenly, no rar support...
[12:51] <jmob> cavediver: you could look at the ChangeLog for archive manager
[12:52] <eb0x> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:52] <eb0x>   libgnutls10-dev: Depends: libgnutls10 (= 1.0.4-8) but 1.0.4-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[12:52] <eb0x>                    Depends: libgcrypt7-dev (>= 1.1.90-3) but it is not going to be installed
[12:52] <eb0x>                    Depends: libopencdk8-dev but it is not going to be installed
[12:52] <eb0x> E: Broken packages
[12:52] <eb0x> How do I fix that?
[12:54] <jms> could anyone help me out? i cant seem to get ubuntu booted properly
[12:54] <jms> or at all for that matter
[12:54] <jms> system hangs on "starting hotplug subsystem..."
[12:56] <mattgirv> please can someone help with this error = make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:56] <crimsun> eb0x: what package is that for?
[12:57] <jmob> mattgirv: sudo apt-get install apt-file
[12:57] <jmob> mattgirv: sudo apt-file update
[12:57] <jmob> mattgirv: sudo apt-file search /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build
[12:57] <eb0x> sudo apt-get install libgnutls10-dev
[12:58] <eb0x> for libgnutls10-dev
[12:58] <QMario> Hello everyone. :D
[12:58] <viper12> just keep in mind that the latest hoary updates have BROKEN the restricted modules..  referring to bug 7485
[12:59] <jmob> cavediver:
[12:59] <jmob> cavediver: apt-listchanges `apt-cache show gaim|grep 'Filename:'|cut -d: -f2|sed 's:\(.*/\)\(.*\):/var/cache/apt/archives/\2:'`
[12:59] <QMario> Has anyone ever shared a printer over a network before?
[12:59] <crimsun> eb0x: right, but what are you trying to do ultimately?
[12:59] <viper12> yes qmario.
[12:59] <QMario> How do you do it?
[12:59] <crimsun> eb0x: please paste in #flood the output of apt-cache policy libgnutls10-dev
[01:00] <eb0x> crimsun: im trying to compile GAIM 1.1.4 with ssl support so i can connect to the msn servers
[01:00] <viper12> depends on the network.  my own is using cups to share an epson between 3 ubuntu boxes.
[01:00] <crimsun> eb0x: are you running Hoary?
[01:00] <eb0x> ya
[01:00] <crimsun> eb0x: Hoary already has 1.1.4
[01:00] <viper12> if you are referring to a windows network, then you need to look at the samba how-tos on the website.
[01:00] <eb0x> Yes, but I need SSL to connect to MSN.
[01:00] <eb0x> MSN 9 now requires SSL
[01:01] <QMario> I'm trying to share between 1 Ubuntu/Windows to  two other Windows computer.
[01:01] <eb0x> And to put SSL (according to the gaim site)
[01:01] <eb0x> you have to
[01:01] <eb0x> $ sudo apt-get remove gaim
[01:01] <eb0x> $ sudo apt-get install libgnutls10-dev
[01:01] <eb0x> $ ./configure --enable-gnutls=yes
[01:01] <eb0x> $ sudo make
[01:01] <eb0x> $ sudo make install
[01:01] <viper12> then get to the samba howto.  it will walk you through the process.
[01:01] <crimsun> eb0x: 1.1.4 in Hoary already has that.
[01:01] <mattgirv> erm jmob i done that and
[01:01] <socomm> MSN. :^/
[01:01] <mattgirv> there are no responses
[01:01] <crimsun> eb0x: I'm connected to MSN via 1.1.4 as I type.
[01:01] <eb0x> well it doesnt let me connect
[01:02] <QMario> Have you done it before?
[01:02] <eb0x> It tells me that I need SSL
[01:02] <eb0x> it comes up with an error and tells me to go to a link
[01:02] <njan> I'm connected to MSN with gaim 1.1.0 and it works fine..
[01:02] <viper12> qmario, I use an all linux network, so haven't needed to.
[01:02] <crimsun> eb0x: paste the output of apt-cache policy gaim in #flood
[01:02] <jmob> mattgirv: really? hrmm
[01:02] <eb0x> Ya i could connect with 1.0.0
[01:03] <QMario> Oh....
[01:03] <crimsun> eb0x: you don't have Hoary main
[01:03] <crimsun> eb0x: are you _positive_ you're running Hoary?
[01:03] <jmob> mattgirv: what's `uname -a` say?
[01:03] <eb0x> i did the update thing last night
[01:04] <eb0x> dist-upgrade or something like that
[01:04] <mattgirv> Linux darkstar 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Thu Mar 10 03:25:00 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:04] <crimsun> eb0x: but you only have 1.1.4 installed
[01:04] <crimsun> eb0x: err, you _don't_
[01:04] <socomm> 1.1.4 is the latest
[01:04] <eb0x> it says i do
[01:04] <eb0x> according to the "About" dialog thing
[01:04] <wolki> hi
[01:05] <crimsun> eb0x: did you compile that yourself?
[01:05] <Sethosayher> Hello
[01:05] <eb0x> ya
[01:05] <crimsun> eb0x: that's why...
[01:05] <Sethosayher> Can anyone help me? I have a problem with my internet conncetion in Ubuntu....
[01:05] <eb0x> and im trying to go back now
[01:05] <sal002> Is there an iptables install problem?
[01:05] <eb0x> and do what the directions say
[01:05] <eb0x> to get ssl
[01:05] <mattgirv> what now jmob, any ideas?
[01:05] <crimsun> eb0x: the easiest way is to (re)enable hoary/main and install gaim
[01:05] <eb0x> er
[01:05] <eb0x> how do i do that
[01:06] <crimsun> eb0x: open Synaptic and check the box for hoary main restricted
[01:06] <crimsun> eb0x: then click Ok and Reload
[01:07] <eb0x> Hoary main restricted where
[01:07] <eb0x> in the packages listing?
[01:07] <crimsun> eb0x: Settings>Repositories
[01:07] <Tricker> how to mount a vfat partition so all users can read all files in it????
[01:08] <jmob> mattgirv: dpkg -L |grep linux-headers
[01:08] <crimsun> Tricker: mount it with -o umask=000
[01:08] <eb0x> i dont have that in thre
[01:08] <jmob> mattgirv: change -L to -l
[01:08] <mattgirv> dpkg-query: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument
[01:08] <crimsun> eb0x: are you _positive_ you're running Hoary?
[01:08] <mattgirv> ok
[01:08] <mattgirv> ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-25.2    Header files related to Linux kernel version
[01:08] <eb0x> i upgraded last night .. yes
[01:09] <crimsun> eb0x: dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[01:09] <Tricker> crimsun can i pm?
[01:09] <Pineapples10> BEES LMAO
[01:09] <eb0x> 2.3.2.ds1-13ub
[01:09] <crimsun> eb0x: you're running Warty
[01:09] <eb0x> I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[01:10] <crimsun> eb0x: dpkg doesn't lie. You're running Warty.
[01:10] <eb0x> Okay
[01:10] <eb0x> Then the site was wrong i guess
[01:10] <eb0x> i dont know
[01:10] <crimsun> eb0x: do you want to upgrade to Hoary?
[01:10] <eb0x> i believe you
[01:10] <eb0x> ya i do
[01:11] <viper12> ya might wanna hang off on the update........today's update of the 26 kernel stuff borks ati and nvidia as well as restricted modules in general. (bug 7485)
[01:11] <jmob> mattgirv: COLUMNS=999 dpkg -l|grep linux-headers|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'
[01:11] <viper12> the abi stuff was changed.
[01:11] <hawke_> viper12: all ati, or just radeon?
[01:11] <crimsun> eb0x: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <mattgirv> linux-headers-2.6.10-4 (jmob)
[01:11] <n0b0dy> how to use the root account of ubuntu?
[01:11] <hawke_> n0b0dy: via 'sudo'
[01:11] <viper12> killed ati as well as nvidia over here.........talking with the kernel guys.......they borked something in abi in the update.
[01:11] <eb0x> that didnt do anything
[01:11] <crimsun> eb0x: then, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:12] <n0b0dy> I installed ubuntu recently
[01:12] <eb0x> okay its downloading stuff
[01:12] <Funraiser> have u heard of PAN ? Newsgroup system to download *files*, this stuff looks promising...
[01:12] <eb0x> crimsun: thank you :)
[01:12] <viper12> restricted mods aren't getting loaded properly because of these changes.
[01:12] <crimsun> eb0x: np
[01:13] <Ad-Rock> how do i set up my startup applications? like gdesklets, gkrellm etc?
[01:13] <awb4422> when doing an apt-get dist-upgrade and I get prompted about what I want to do with the current version of something (in this case, bash.bashrc) should I overwrite?
[01:13] <eb0x> crimsun: will i need to do anything after this stuff finishes downloading?
[01:13] <QMario> What's pytha?
[01:13] <crimsun> awb4422: yes, you should - unless you know for a fact that you yourself edited that file
[01:13] <awb4422> oh ok, i havent done anything
[01:13] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ It asks for the password
[01:13] <crimsun> eb0x: are you using binary-only ATI or Nvidia drivers?
[01:14] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ I used: sudo -u root apt-get update
[01:14] <eb0x> I *think* NVidia
[01:14] <eb0x> Is there a way to check, so that I can be sure?
[01:15] <Ad-Rock> how do i set up my startup applications? like gdesklets, gkrellm etc?
[01:15] <crimsun> cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[01:15] <Ad-Rock> like, i want them loaded at gnome startup
[01:15] <eb0x> cat: /proc/driver/nvidia/version: No such file or directory
[01:16] <crimsun> Ad-Rock: then just save session settings when you log out with those applications still loaded
[01:16] <heze> nvidia fixed yet?
[01:16] <crimsun> heze: no, not yet
[01:16] <heze> eta? :)
[01:16] <viper12> its not nvidia heze.............its a kernel issue.  see: bugzilla 7485 for a workaround to get desktop up.
[01:17] <jms> could someone please tell me howto fix this problem?
[01:17] <Ad-Rock> crimsun: where's that? im on gnome 2.10
[01:17] <heze> viper12, oh i c
[01:17] <viper12> gonna be awhile according to the kernel guys.  (recompiling a new one as we speak.)
[01:17] <crimsun> Ad-Rock: it shows up when you choose log out
[01:18] <Ad-Rock> crimsun: and when it reboot my box my applications will be there?
[01:18] <crimsun> Ad-Rock: no need to reboot, just save the session and log out
[01:18] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ Ready, I got!
[01:19] <heze> viper12, better be rdy when i wake up ;)
[01:19] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ tks!
[01:19] <viper12> heze, lol
[01:19] <Ad-Rock> crimsun: yeah, i know that there's no need to reboot, but when i reboot SOMEDAY my application will be there?
[01:19] <crimsun> Ad-Rock: as long as it's running when you save session & log out, yes
[01:19] <Ad-Rock> ok
[01:20] <sal002> iptables still broken?
[01:20] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ But, Has some way to use root account in ubuntu?
[01:20] <Ad-Rock> crimsun: thx
[01:20] <crimsun> sal002: "still broken"
[01:21] <Sethosayher> Can anyone help me with my Ubuntu Internet connection?
[01:21] <Sethosayher> I'm having some problems...
[01:21] <heze> viper12, argh i got that "workaround" already :P i just watched the most laggy movie ever tho the awesomeness of it compensates.
[01:21] <Sethosayher> i think it connects to the Update servers fine, the Live CD also worked, but when I'm in my Ubuntu Installation, I can't access the internet...
[01:21] <viper12> lol heze...well, bettern' nothin' right?
[01:22] <b_> i am new to ubuntu how can i fix the resolution from my computer
[01:22] <Tricker> how do u unmount a driver?
[01:22] <heze> viper12, sure is.. it's good to notice even the kernel developers are humans :)
[01:22] <heze> tricker, a device driver? man rmmod
[01:22] <eb0x> crimsun: cat: /proc/driver/nvidia/version: No such file or directory
[01:22] <heze> tricker, if it's a kernel module that is
[01:22] <Tricker> a hdd.
[01:22] <Tricker> fat.
[01:22] <heze> umount
[01:22] <b_> if it is 1024 by 768 the icons look double
[01:22] <viper12> yep......although that was a nasty surprise for me today.  getting sooo used to flawless updates to the testing machines, that when something finally goes splat, caught me offguard.
[01:23] <Laney> What kernel does this latest preview run?
[01:23] <heze> viper12, and i chose the perfect day to go try linux desktop once again (i do it like once a year and always end up having only winxp :P)
[01:24] <heze> laney, 2.6.10-4-k7 here :)
[01:24] <Laney> right, thanks
[01:24] <viper12> well, heze, other than this little boink, hoary has been really stable.  I ditched wintendo completely a few weeks back.
[01:24] <heze> or is there a difference bitween the preview release and umm mine... dunno
[01:24] <Laney> just wanted to know if it was going to support my sata card
[01:24] <_ale> does ubuntu have any clipboard tool by default?
[01:24] <Laney> no, that's fine. it needs 2.6
[01:24] <heze> viper12, my sweet ol' total annihilation kinda requires win32 =(
[01:25] <viper12> lol....I was in the same boat regarding eve-online, but the latest cedega runs it fine. :)
[01:25] <preglow> how do i update the nvidia kernel modules for a new kernel?
[01:25] <_ale> make modules
[01:25] <roka> what package is it i need to get the c linux programmers manual?
[01:25] <viper12> preglow......warty or hoary?  if hoary and today's update?  then see: bugzilla 7485 first.
[01:26] <heze> preglow, if it's ubuntu kernel you're having there, just install the corresponding linux-restricted-modules -package
[01:26] <preglow> hoary
[01:26] <heze> (it's in the restricted repo)
[01:27] <preglow> hoary and just installed, so i guess i'll have a look at bugzilla
[01:28] <heze> preglow, better try tomorrow again :)
[01:28] <preglow> heh, will
[01:29] <n0b0dy> How to for configure my network?
[01:29] <drspin> Is this a bad thing?
[01:29] <drspin> NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
[01:29] <Phr0sty> Hey, guys - I just updated my kernel, and now xorg wont start (nvidia card and Hoary). Anyone know why?
[01:30] <heze> n0b0dy, first you need some network device. what's your setup?
[01:30] <heze> phr0sty, yes it's broken for the moment, see: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7485
[01:30] <heze> there's a workaround there
[01:30] <crimsun> eb0x: that's fine, you aren't using it then
[01:31] <Phr0sty> heze: Thanx man!
[01:31] <QMario> How do I restart cups
[01:31] <n0b0dy> heze its the first time that I am configuring my netword...
[01:31] <heze> qmario, /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[01:31] <ad-rock> any good ftp client for gnome?
[01:31] <n0b0dy> heze ubuntu no have a tool to configure networks?
[01:31] <heze> ad-rock, try gftp
[01:32] <n0b0dy> heze like etherconf
[01:32] <heze> n0b0dy, i've never seen etherconf but yeah the basic setup has something in X
[01:32] <ad-rock> heze: thx man
[01:32] <n0b0dy> heze in X?
[01:32] <farruinn> n0b0dy: computer>system>network or something like that
[01:32] <heze> n0b0dy, u running graphical desktop there?
[01:33] <n0b0dy> heze yeah.
[01:33] <n0b0dy> heze gnome.
[01:33] <heze> n0b0dy, does farruinn's advice work for you?
[01:33] <bryan> how hard would it be to port a small mac osx program to linux?
[01:33] <heze> bryan, i can tell i couldn't do it :)
[01:34] <n0b0dy> heze farruinn's!?
[01:34] <QMario> How do I know if my printer is shared?
[01:34] <heze> < farruinn> n0b0dy: computer>system>network or something like that
[01:34] <farruinn> bryan: what's the program?
[01:34] <QMario> Is there a hand on the printer or something?
[01:35] <ratana> hi
[01:35] <heze> hey
[01:35] <QMario> How do I know if my printer is shared?
[01:35] <QMario> Is there a hand on the printer or something?
[01:35] <chimaera> hi
[01:36] <ratana> anyone free to explain how to use apt to me?
[01:36] <heze> ratana, what's the problem?
[01:36] <QMario> apt?
[01:36] <blizah> i accidentally deleted the system tray in gnome anyone know how to go about getting in back?
[01:36] <crimsun> blizah: add it via second-click on the menu bar
[01:36] <farruinn> blizah: right click the panel and select "add to panel"
[01:36] <bryan> it's called statfoo, but it doesn't look like the source is available
[01:37] <farruinn> oops
[01:37] <projectmayhem> hey all
[01:37] <ratana> i want to get mplayer for my ubuntu 5.x
[01:37] <blizah> you guys know what the name of it is?
[01:37] <chimaera> i can't install hoary preview for my cd drive isn't found. i have a sata hdd and, of course, a pata cd drive. i found some reports about it in the forum, but no solutions..
[01:37] <boch> whats the default root password?
[01:37] <heze> boch, it's not set at all.
[01:38] <farruinn> boch: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:38] <n0b0dy> heze how to change my language (gnome)?
[01:38] <heze> n0b0dy, language as in keymap? or menu language or both? :
[01:38] <boch> oh, i didnt know that
[01:38] <blizah> farruinn or crimsun: you guys know what the name of it would be..cant seem to find it
[01:38] <farruinn> boch: it's to protect yourself from yourself =)
[01:39] <n0b0dy> heze both
[01:39] <farruinn> blizah: sorry, not at my ubuntu destkop atm
[01:39] <roka> what package do i have to download to get the manpages for c programming?
[01:39] <crimsun> roka: manpages-dev
[01:40] <projectmayhem> hey how do i uninstall limewire?
[01:40] <heze> n0b0dy, i think you need to set the locale somehow
[01:40] <roka> crimsun, ty alot
[01:40] <boch> farruinn lol, tomorrow i blow up this linux disto? to install slackware
[01:40] <chlunde> Hmm, will Hoary have USB stick installation media?
[01:41] <ad-rock> http://powbow.webhop.net/images/gnome.png --- rate my new Gnome 2.10 desktop :D
[01:42] <heze> ad-rock, too much idle cpu :P
[01:42] <heze> ad-rock, aptitude install distributed-net ;)
[01:42] <farruinn> boch: if you read that wiki page you'll see that you can set a root password
[01:43] <farruinn> boch: a "default" root password on the other hand would be a reason not to use a distro imho
[01:43] <Phr0sty> heze: That fix does not work...
[01:43] <heze> ad-rock, groovy colors and nice big icons down there :)
[01:43] <heze> phr0sty, what's the error?
[01:44] <ad-rock> heze: thx :D what's distributed-net?
[01:44] <projectmayhem> ad-rock where'd you get the background?
[01:44] <Phr0sty> heze: No screens found
[01:44] <ad-rock> projectmayhem: deviantart.com
[01:44] <projectmayhem> thx ad-rock
[01:44] <blizah> ah system tray = notification area
[01:44] <ad-rock> projectmayhem np
[01:44] <heze> ad-rock, http://distributed.net/ it's a competition to try to crack md5 or sth :)
[01:45] <heze> phr0sty, umm kay, is there some line with sth like FATAL: bla bla?
[01:45] <Phr0sty> heze: nope
[01:45] <heze> phr0sty, something to indicate why it fails? lines with (EE)?
[01:46] <ad-rock> heze: ooh one of those "donate your cicles" stuff?
[01:46] <Phr0sty> heze: yeah - nvidia kernel module - but apt-get says its loaded!
[01:47] <heze> phr0sty, eww, you need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver from "nvidia" to "nv"
[01:47] <drspin> Is there a better way to do this ??  ----->>  http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Optimizing_Nvidia_3D_driver
[01:47] <Phr0sty> heze: already is like that - it just stopped working after the kernel update
[01:48] <awb4422> i just upgraded to hoary - it seems that nautilus applications:///System "is not a valid location"
[01:48] <scorn> hey whts the lastest i should download
[01:48] <awb4422> does anyone know where the new System:/// is?
[01:49] <mz2> is beagle worth trying?
[01:49] <heze> phr0sty, hmm, try rmmod nvidia if it confuses :o i'm harC[Cdly an expert on X =(
[01:49] <heze> oi, mz :)
[01:50] <helloyo> i like ubuntu, but why? whats it do so differently?
[01:50] <ratana> Heee hee ... i know how apt work now
[01:50] <apokryphos> helloyo: what?
[01:51] <heze> helloyo, it's just yet another distribution where things are done a bit differently.
[01:51] <johso> heya peeps... now, I've tried numbers of different guides to install my gfx-card, which is a ATi Mobility Radeon 9700pro 128mb. But nothing seems to really help - but I don't really know how to test it, I just tried to run a screensaver and it is sooo laggy and slow that I assumed something is wrong... Anybody know how to fix this? :/
[01:52] <mdz> helloyo: are you asking us why you like it? ;-)
[01:52] <cwillu> Phr0sty:  if it's just dumping you out at a character mode screen, try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:52] <hayden> how do i add to a menu under hoary?
[01:52] <mdz> johso: I believe that card requires the proprietary driver in order to have 3D acceleration
[01:53] <johso> mdz: how so?
[01:53] <woodwizzle> I need help getting a modem on my laptop working
[01:53] <woodwizzle> I was able to install the scanmodem script, but I can't really figure out what driver its telling me to try or anything
[01:53] <mdz> johso: I believe it's in the FAQ
[01:54] <cwillu> johso:  ati's site should have a guide;  unfortunately, you're unlikely to find anyone in this channel who can help anymore than that, except maybe if you run into a snag with the kernel
[01:54] <mdz> johso: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:55] <johso> mdz: I've tried that, but that didn't work out either...
[01:55] <viper12> johso, are you using hoary or warty, and if warty, are you using the 386 kernel?
[01:56] <johso> viper12: warty and the 386 kernel...
[01:56] <viper12> My laptop wouldn't work either until updating it to 686 kernel and restricted libraries...then the ati drivers became happy. (9200 mobility)
[01:56] <woodwizzle> I tried setting up my modem in gnome's network settings but It couldn't configure the modem itself. (i think its because i have no /dev/ppp0 but I do have a /dev/ppp and)
[01:57] <woodwizzle> I also tried autodetection with pppconfig but that didn't work either
[01:57] <johso> viper12: so I have to update it to 686 in order to make it work?
[01:57] <viper12> what type machine johso ?  laptop, correct?
[01:58] <johso> viper12: yea..
[01:58] <viper12> and yeah, the 686 and restricted seemed to let the ati drivers live.
[01:58] <viper12> update the 686 and then use the wiki again.  should get you rolling.
[01:58] <johso> viper12: but how do I update to 686? is it difficult?
[01:59] <woodwizzle> Windows says its a CXT AC-link modem for Intel
[01:59] <woodwizzle> Should I assume CXT is Conexant?
[02:00] <helloyo> i was setting up some keyboard shortuts, and now my "see" key won't work. as in the letter "see"
[02:01] <johso> helloyo: also happened to me with P, but I just logged out and logged in and everything was fine..
[02:01] <helloyo> johso, ok thanks!
[02:01] <Phr0sty> Anyone know how to fix this new kernel problem with Hoary and a nVidia card?
[02:01] <viper12> johso,   the fastest way:   sudo apt-get install linux-686
[02:02] <johso> ok
[02:02] <viper12> the other way....go to synaptics and search on "linux-686"
[02:02] <johso> but what does it exactly do?
[02:02] <johso> what's the difference?
[02:03] <viper12> its the optimized kernel for newer processors machines......and its associated modules are more up to date. (general layman's explanation.)
[02:03] <viper12> the 386 in general is more for backward compatibility with older hardware.
[02:04] <johso> so it will not change anything really? I was just worried it might leave some programs out or something...
[02:04] <natecull> running Hoary Preview live CD
[02:04] <natecull> looks good...
[02:04] <ikama> Anybody using alps touchpad ?
[02:04] <viper12> no johso whatever you've got rolling now, ain't gonna get borked after the update.
[02:04] <viper12> on WARTY. lol.  god help you if its hoary with TODAY's update.  snicker.
[02:05] <IRCMonkey> i get an error when i try to exit out of the partition table i get an error that says root file system found, how do i correct this?
[02:06] <tritium> heze, I'm back
[02:06] <johso> viper12: ok, thanks :)
[02:06] <viper12> np
[02:06] <viper12> time fer food.  laterz.
[02:06] <natecull> I see Hoary Preview has OpenOffice.org 1.1, is 2.0 expected for the gold release?
[02:07] <natecull> or will that wait for Bendy?
[02:07] <IRCMonkey> any help with the error?
[02:07] <Phr0sty> viper12: Is there a fix for todays "update" yet?
[02:07] <crimsun> natecull: Bendy
[02:07] <daniels> natecull: 2.0 is available as well, but 1.0 will be the defalut
[02:07] <woodwizzle> Anyone here have any experience with setting up modems in ubuntu?
[02:08] <tritium> I see there's no new kernel yet...
[02:08] <natecull> cool, so I can grab it from universe?
[02:08] <crimsun> tritium: it's being worked on
[02:08] <woodwizzle> Hehe, from the sound of it, maybe I should be happy I don't have internet access for my ubuntu system today =)
[02:08] <tritium> crimsun, good deal
[02:08] <crimsun> natecull: 1.9.74 is in main -> openoffice.org2
[02:09] <nix000> anyone is seing gnome terminal taking for ever to come up ? it just has a blank screen. not sure what is causing it.
[02:09] <natecull> nice
[02:09] <nix000> i am on hoary preview
[02:09] <r0bnyc> nix000: how is preview?
[02:09] <r0bnyc> nix000: no lol
[02:09] <Phr0sty> They should have left the last working kernel up... tsk tsk
[02:10] <nix000> r0bnyc, its nice  i was up and running within hours.
[02:10] <ikama> hoary preview rocks!!!!!!!
[02:10] <ad-rock> what's the difference between hoary preview and upgrading to hoary by apt?
[02:10] <natecull> Add/Remove Programs applet is new, isn't it?
[02:11] <crimsun> ad-rock: preview is a snapshot of sometime yesterday
[02:11] <r0bnyc> nix000: I have a big issue here
[02:11] <nix000> ikama, did you get the latest updates ? maybe that is whats causing the problem i have.
[02:11] <r0bnyc> i apt-get install linux-image-686 etc and it screwed up
[02:11] <crimsun> ad-rock: via apt gives you what's currently in the archive, which is newer
[02:11] <r0bnyc> now I cant even boot into ubuntu
[02:11] <crimsun> r0bnyc: known issue
[02:11] <nix000> r0bnyc, whats the problem ?
[02:11] <ad-rock> crimsun : oh ic.. well i upgraded via apt
[02:12] <r0bnyc> I'm on Arch right now, let me go on X so I can paste the message
[02:12] <r0bnyc> crimsun: is known?
[02:12] <ad-rock> and i dont have any complains :D
[02:12] <agd> evening guys/gals
[02:12] <natecull> Add/Remove Programs seems to take forever to populate its tickboxes...
[02:12] <crimsun> JKD: on current Hoary, yes
[02:13] <nix000> natecull, it looks like all the programs i open take for ever. so far i tried terminal and gconf both took forever
[02:13] <JKD> crimsun: how do I fix it
[02:13] <ikama> nix000, yes. It is all up to date
[02:13] <Quest-Master> nix000: Try prelinking?
[02:13] <Quest-Master> nix000: sudo apt-get install prelink
[02:14] <Quest-Master> nix000: prelink -amvf
[02:14] <heze> tritium, sup? :) i'm doing not so well. irssi host network has serious problems, laggy ircing =(
[02:14] <crimsun> JKD: wait a few hours, then update && dist-upgrade again
[02:15] <ikama> I think prelinking is only suggestable for ooo
[02:15] <tritium> not much.  just got back
[02:15] <agd> hi guys sorry to ask this in here, My Ubuntu installs gone fine, first time on Linux and before that only had a few months on windows, you couldnt point me to a genralized tutorial on linux as an OS, such as directory structure, system files, ect for total dumbass non technical idoits like myself?
[02:15] <JKD> crimsun: thanks
[02:15] <nix000> Quest-Master, i cant even get prelink i am getting the maybe missing or broken pakage
[02:15] <ikama> because I ve recognized there are some probs when there is not a very well conf of prelinking
[02:16] <nix000> ikama, what the hell is this prelink stuf
[02:16] <R0bNyc> Try mounting the proc filesystem: mount -tproc none /proc
[02:16] <R0bNyc> Failed to create initrd image.
[02:16] <R0bNyc> dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.10-4-386 (--configure):
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[02:16] <R0bNyc> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of postfix-tls:
[02:16] <bwlang> agd: sorry - i don't have any suggested reading for your... maybe "running linux" ... go ahead and ask some questions - maybe you'll get good answers here
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  postfix-tls depends on postfix; however:
[02:16] <R0bNyc>   Package postfix is not configured yet.
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  postfix-tls depends on postfix (= 2.1.5-9ubuntu2); however:
[02:16] <R0bNyc>   Package postfix is not configured yet.
[02:16] <R0bNyc> dpkg: error processing postfix-tls (--configure):
[02:16] <R0bNyc> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:16] <R0bNyc> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  postfix
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  linux-image-2.6.10-4-686
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  linux-image-686
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  linux-686
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  linux-image-2.6.10-4-386
[02:17] <R0bNyc>  postfix-tls
[02:17] <R0bNyc> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:17] <R0bNyc> sorry for the spam
[02:17] <eyequeue> R0bNyc:  STOP
[02:17] <bwlang> R0bNyc: stop... put that into pastebin
[02:17] <R0bNyc> oh yea
[02:17] <R0bNyc> sory
[02:17] <mdz> R0bNyc: the very first line you pasted is the answer to your question
[02:17] <jaakko> hello... i just read about the ubuntu 5.04 preview... i was just wondering that if i install it can i just update 'to the final release' when it is released? sorry i'm a bit drunken...
[02:17] <ikama> Ok, prelinking gives a kind of roadmap for packages. So they are able to start work faster.
[02:17] <mdz> looks like you're trying to install a kernel without /proc mounted
[02:17] <bwlang> R0bNyc: no help for you (think soup nazi ;)
[02:18] <mdz> jaakko: yes
[02:18] <djst> mdz:  how?
[02:18] <agd> well i guess im a bit system shy bwlang, all the package stuff, shell, the dir structure, drivers, and what the hell are these buffers in emacs? lol sorry im just utterly lost on what to do now i have a good linux install done
[02:18] <ikama> In OO.org there is a increase of 50 % on startup
[02:18] <R0bNyc> http://pastebin.com/253538
[02:18] <zyaga1> Erm, I am having a problem when installing Ubuntu, is there someone that might help me with questions I have about it?
[02:18] <mdz> djst: by clicking the upgrade icon in the panel
[02:18] <sihen> hello guys
[02:18] <djst> mdz:  it's that easy to update the whole distro version? neat!
[02:18] <nix000> ikama, i cant even get the prelink package to install. how come this was not installed if it is needed by something like terminal !
[02:18] <jaakko> mdz: thanks... :)
[02:18] <usual> sihen, and most likely girls
[02:19] <mdz> djst: no
[02:19] <mdz> djst: jaako asked about upgrading from preview to final
[02:19] <sihen> sorry to be stupid but im new to ubuntu. i have noticed ubuntu doesnt have a /src/linux? where do i edit my kernel for hypertheading
[02:19] <HillTop> agd, O'Reilly has some nice books like Linux Pocket Guide. But even better are tons of good tutorials (PDF) at IBM.com
[02:19] <bwlang> agd: well  i can tell you about the buffers in emacs... they're just areas for you to open files or type in.
[02:19] <eyequeue> agd:  http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[02:19] <mdz> to upgrade from warty to hoary, e.g., requires more steps
[02:19] <djst> mdz:  ok.. i didn't know there was a difference.. since it's technically two different ubuntu releases
[02:19] <nix000> stupid thing was working before i applied the latest updates !
[02:19] <zyaga1> Can anyone help me with a problem of Ubuntu?
[02:19] <sihen> also need to add the module for sata hd's as i cant find mine
[02:19] <djst> mdz:  so how would i upgrade from hoary to a future final release of ubuntu? possible?
[02:20] <mdz> djst: you would follow the upgrade instructions that we provide
[02:20] <bwlang> agd: as far as the dir structure... there is a standard called fhs that you could google on
[02:20] <eyequeue> zyaga1:  not unless you are mosr specific
[02:20] <zyaga1> I can be.
[02:20] <sihen> can anyone possible help me?
[02:20] <mdz> to upgrade from Hoary to its successor, you should be able to simply insert the CD
[02:20] <zyaga1> When I am installing it, it gets so far, and then seems to freeze up.
[02:20] <mdz> sihen: install the "linux-686
[02:20] <mdz> er
[02:20] <mdz> sihen: install the "linux-686-smp" package and reboot
[02:21] <agd> ty eyeque for the book link, i'll do that bwlang, dont wanna go breaking anything eh lol
[02:21] <bwlang> agd: drivers are pretty much built into the kernel - you should not have to worry about drivers
[02:21] <SeanQ> Hi from FC3.
[02:21] <zyaga1> It gets past the detecting and scannig of the cd rom.
[02:21] <SeanQ> I'd like to say..I'm coming back.
[02:21] <djst> mdz:  didn't read any upgrade instructions, sorry. was just curious if it's possible without breaking the system or leave it in a half-upgraded state. thanks
[02:21] <zyaga1> And then it gets to the Ubuntu installer part.
[02:21] <eyequeue> agd:  no prob
[02:21] <zyaga1> And then it freezes up at the 20% part
[02:21] <mdz> djst: I mean the upgrade instructions that we provide when we make a new release
[02:21] <usual> ubuntu, the only dist that puts a naked chick on my desktop by default
[02:21] <woodwizzle> are there any hoary packages for linexant winmodem drivers?
[02:21] <usual> :D
[02:22] <sihen> mdz, and what should i install for SATA HD's?
[02:22] <mdz> usual: it doesn't
[02:22] <bwlang> usual: actually - last month kind of embarassed me... this month is a bit more tame.
[02:22] <usual> mdz, I know, but damn near
[02:22] <djst> mdz:  so you're one of the developers then?
[02:22] <mdz> sihen: you don't need to install anything additional for those
[02:22] <agd> the onlt woe ive honestly had bwlang was that my cdburner is a freecomclassic USB and so is my cam, and im lost on finding how to get em working, aside from that the install got most of my hardware picked up first time apart from sound, so god only knows whats in this old compaq deskpro for sound that it isnt supported
[02:22] <mdz> djst: yes
[02:22] <usual> bwlang, the naked blonde?
[02:22] <agd> only*
[02:22] <mdz> usual: no, the default desktop in Ubuntu 4.10 is solid brown with the ubuntu logo on it
[02:23] <usual> mdz, whats hoary?
[02:23] <djst> mdz:  what i'd want is the ability to just upgrade the whole distro from the ubuntu update manager
[02:23] <mdz> usual: it's a sort of abstract starburst thing, with the ubuntu logo on it
[02:23] <bwlang> usual: this onth - no humans ... now it's a starburst pattern
[02:23] <usual> mdz, oh ok
[02:23] <helloyo> how do you edit the menu in hoary?
[02:23] <usual> weird
[02:23] <SeanQ> What was this thing with the naked chick?
[02:23] <woodwizzle> helloyo: You don't
[02:23] <SeanQ> I heard a lot about it when I was in Warty.
[02:23] <usual> ohhhh i see it
[02:23] <SeanQ> I never got it though.
[02:23] <usual> nice
[02:23] <bwlang> agd: wierd ass hardware is likely to be trouble.... anything with the name "freecomclassic" would make me run the other way
[02:24] <mdz> SeanQ: it's the Ubuntu Monthly Calendar
[02:24] <SeanQ> Ah.
[02:24] <SeanQ> Link?
[02:24] <usual> mdz, it looks great
[02:24] <mdz> SeanQ: computer->desktop preferences->background
[02:24] <bwlang> agd: almost all cameras work  - but you're better off with usb <-> cf reader imho
[02:24] <SeanQ> mdz, I'm not in Ubuntu but found what I needed.
[02:24] <SeanQ> Thanks.
[02:24] <mdz> usual: I will pass on your feedback to the artist
[02:24] <zyaga1> eyequeue: Do you think you could help me with something?
[02:24] <SeanQ> I'm in Fedora.
[02:24] <sihen> mdz, iv tried everything to find my SATA and i just cant find it on ubuntu
[02:24] <usual> mdz, please do. I like it.
[02:24] <projectmayhem> seanq i just switched from that this week
[02:24] <agd> ye , bought during my windows phase sadly, and most weird stuff works on it strangley, though poorly lol
[02:24] <eyequeue> zyaga1:  depends what
[02:25] <zyaga1> eyequeue: on a problem I am having when installing Ubuntu
[02:25] <woodwizzle> Aaargh. this modem crap is driving me nuts!
[02:25] <mdz> djst: we might do that eventually, but currently it isn't up to the task
[02:25] <tritium> SeanQ, it's not really a calendar, though, just a background image
[02:25] <SeanQ> projectmayhem, I switched back to FC3 when realizing archived games on MLB Gameday Audio wouldn't work in mozilla-mplayer in Hoary
[02:25] <projectmayhem> hm
[02:25] <SeanQ> but when I got to FC3, I realized my Windows partitions wouldn't work..even after NTFS support
[02:25] <SeanQ> which is more important?
[02:25] <jaakko> anybody tested the "very fresh" gnome 2.10?
[02:26] <SeanQ> Hm.
[02:26] <SeanQ> I did in Hoary.
[02:26] <projectmayhem> seanq i had the same ntfs problem among others
[02:26] <projectmayhem> seanq my java installations were a pain
[02:26] <agd> my major worry is not being able to put back into ubuntu realy as im not a coder and far from technicaly proficient by any means, but kind of feel i owe it as its the first linux thats practicly worked out of the box for me without any real major hassles or leaving important hardware unsuable
[02:26] <djst> mdz:  ok. thanks for providing ubuntu anyways, i just switched to it from vidalinux yesterday and i'm pleased :) the plan wasn't to switch though, but i made enough changes on the system to not wanting to reboot to vida anymore
[02:26] <woodwizzle> i downloaded an installer from linuxant, put it on a USB drive, copyied it to my laptop and tried to run it. Apparently, its just a script to go online and download the modem drivers. Now I ask you. If I could go online, why would I need modem drivers!!!
[02:26] <sihen> mdz, any idea's?
[02:27] <bwlang> agd: you can contribute by helping others learn... once you know how to do some stuff.
[02:27] <bjugis> The device-mapper has taken over my raid. I realy don't like it to do that. How do I get it to stop bugging me without destroying my raid?
[02:27] <jaakko> ultra fast boot process sounds nice
[02:27] <virtuald> when will debian sarge be released now when ubuntu bought out almost all the koy developers?
[02:27] <zyaga1> eyequeue: Should I ask someone else?
[02:27] <virtuald> key*
[02:27] <SeanQ> Day before I left for FC3, Gnome 2.10 broke
[02:27] <woodwizzle> agd: You could always join the gnome documentation team. Gnome docs are mostly still from 2.8
[02:27] <SeanQ> Anyone have a screenshot of this background ;)
[02:28] <agd> oh i didnt know that
[02:29] <SeanQ> See, Linux is great because I can say, wow..I contributed to this.
[02:29] <djtansey> does anyone know of a way to install linux (hopefully ubuntu) from windows by booting a iso that is on the harddrive already? i have no other connection to the world except wireless networking (and only in windows -- no simple way to get the card to work in linux, let alone in the installer)
[02:29] <SeanQ> djtansey, what wireless card?
[02:29] <dabi> i just installed java runtime and i have the libjavaplugin_oji.so file, where do i have to put it to get java working on firefox?
[02:29] <heze> duh, 3:30 already, i'm off. nite ppl! keep up the good work!
[02:30] <djtansey> SeanQ: linksys wpc54g
[02:30] <SeanQ> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=309&sort=8&cat=144&page=1
[02:30] <SeanQ> check it out
[02:31] <SeanQ> no need for internet in the installer
[02:31] <SeanQ> i didn't have it with my netgear ma111
[02:31] <jaakko> is the hoary boot process really ultra-fast? :O
[02:31] <djtansey> SeanQ: well -- i have no CDrom. i was going to do a net install (installed grub from windows so i could boot from the netboot image)
[02:31] <sihen> mdz,
[02:31] <sihen> root@Enigma:/dev # sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdd
[02:31] <sihen> root@Enigma:/dev # sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc
[02:31] <sihen> root@Enigma:/dev # sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd
[02:31] <sihen> root@Enigma:/dev #
[02:32] <SeanQ> AH
[02:32] <SeanQ> Hm.
[02:32] <SeanQ> I don't know, honestly.
[02:32] <SeanQ> I'll look around
[02:32] <zyaga1> Is there anyone that could help me with a problem I am having when installing Ubuntu?
[02:32] <sihen> cant find my sata drive :(
[02:33] <johso> ehm - just installed linux-686, and now Opera doesn't work and some screensavers are gone, and all in all the system seems slower... Help?
[02:33] <djtansey> SeanQ: thanks. i just hoped maybe i could create a small partition and put iso data into it, then boot from that partition and install to the other one. then remove the installation partition and resize to fit
[02:34] <hayden> what can i burn cds and dvds with
[02:34] <SeanQ> 4:00 left to hoary instal
[02:34] <SeanQ> hayden, k3b
[02:34] <SeanQ> nautilus-cd-burner
[02:34] <jaakko> hayden: burn:/// ?
[02:35] <TheGorf> How do you tell nautilus to always open directories in a common window?
[02:35] <hayden> can nautilus burn iso s>
[02:35] <agd> djtansey im no linux expert but maybe using a version of GRUB that handles network booting could help your out called PXE-Grub i think, if you already have ubuntu on another pc ? though i could be totaly off the mark with that
[02:36] <agd> you can bikeshed me later for giving you duff-persudo advice ;-p
[02:36] <mdz> hayden: yes, right-click on the ISO and select "write to CD"
[02:36] <Teal`c> hoary includes gnome 2.10 ?
[02:36] <djtansey> agd: unfortunatelly, i only have a wireless pcmcia card. no ethernet. so i can't use network anything -- since this card has no OSS drives. but thanks! (and keep loving linux! been using it since 1997 and still a devotee!)
[02:38] <agd> i'll keep at it ;-p i have no intention of falling back to windows! even if it does cost me multiple reinstalls when i break my system hard with tinkering lol blood, more blood and plenty of tears ;-p
[02:38] <pablo928> In my 30th boot-up an auto disk check occurred with the result that I have .8 % a-syncronous files. Is there a de-frag program or command I can use for Warty?
[02:39] <djtansey> agd: good. and ubuntu's great, as is its parent, debian. used debian from 98 until warty came out. just keep embracing the community. they are remarkably helpful and are generally not concieted
[02:39] <hayden> ok thanks mdz
[02:40] <agd> ye your spot on with the community thing , as so far ive had no flames heading my way!
[02:41] <djtansey> SeanQ: maybe i don't have to have a partition. maybe i could just mount the iso..
[02:41] <sihen> mdz, see what i mean, dont know what else to try to get my sata working ;(
[02:41] <djtansey> SeanQ: hmm. maybe not. it has to be booted from, not just accessed
[02:42] <Pizbit> Alrighty now, who can tell me the name of the mouse theme warty uses and perhaps where I might 'acquire' it?:)
[02:42] <hayden> mdz, if i use nautilus to burn a cd, what does it use as the volume name
[02:43] <Pizbit> hayden: It should ask when you first hit burn.
[02:43] <hayden> ok
[02:43] <Pizbit> Unless of course it's an ISO or music cd.
[02:43] <agd> well guys thanks for the advice , time to shut down for the night i think, you all take care.
[02:44] <hayden> i didnt specify anything on the disc i just burnt it then and it came out as Personal Data, Mar 12 2005
[02:45] <Pizbit> You know the little window that pops up saying what speed etc it'll burn at?
[02:45] <Pizbit> It should have a place to specify the volume name there.
[02:45] <projectmayhem> anyone here use limewire?
[02:45] <hayden> ok
[02:45] <hayden> i must've missed it
[02:46] <hayden> how can i add an item to Applications->Sount & Video?
[02:46] <projectmayhem> you have to do nautilus applications:///Multimedia i think
[02:46] <projectmayhem> as root
[02:47] <ad-rock> ho do i enable transparency in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[02:47] <hayden> ok
[02:47] <projectmayhem> "sudo nautilus applications:///Multimedia" if memory serves me correctly...
[02:47] <Pizbit> ad-rock: It's *really* unstable if you're using GLX, just so you're forwarned.
[02:47] <ad-rock> s/ho/how
[02:47] <projectmayhem> then you right click, and create a launcher
[02:47] <Pizbit> ad-rock: nvidia card?
[02:47] <hayden> ok
[02:47] <ad-rock> Pizbit: yeah
[02:47] <mdz> hayden: the volume label is part of the ISO
[02:48] <hayden> mdz, i didnt burn an iso
[02:48] <Pizbit> ad-rock: I'll do a pastebin
[02:48] <mdz> hayden: that's what you asked about, and that's what I gave you instructions for...
[02:48] <hayden> i was just curious how you would go about doing it
[02:48] <hayden> i burnt a data disc
[02:49] <Pizbit> ad-rock: This is the stuff you need to change to the xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.com/253594
[02:50] <ad-rock> Pizbit: ok, thx, i just saved my xorg.conf just in case :P
[02:50] <Pizbit> *grin* The changes are minor and reversable.
[02:51] <hades> Any idea why I do not have a /proc/ksyms file?
[02:51] <Teal`c> does ubuntu support rpm ?
[02:52] <Pizbit> "no" I believe is the answer, although you can always go look up alien.
[02:52] <mjr> Teal`c, it is not its native package format, but you may get by with alien
[02:52] <Teal`c> i heard .deb packages dont show up for a lot of stuff, thats why i was wondering
[02:53] <ad-rock> Pizbit: done, wish me luck :p
[02:53] <hades> Anyone?
[02:53] <Pizbit> Teal`c: Heh, debs show up all over the place, they're very common.
[02:54] <Pizbit> Teal`c: Given how long debian has been around and all.
[02:54] <woodwizzle> I have a thumb drive. It seems to only work in ONE of my usb ports, and even with that port it doesn't work 100% of the time.,
[02:54] <DarthFrog> Teal`c: That's true.  But with more and more Debian based distributions such as Ubuntu appearing, there are more and more debs coming, too.
[02:54] <woodwizzle> but if i take it out and put it back in a few times it'll finally work. What the heck!
[02:54] <mjr> woodwizzle, hey, I've been having that too a bit. But sorry, don't know why.
[02:55] <ad-rock> Pizbit: ok, now?
[02:55] <NeoChaosX> anybody have trouble getting quicktime files to play back properly after upgrading to hoary?
[02:55] <mjr> also, that only happens on my desktop box, not the laptop (maybe because the laptop doesn't have usb2)
[02:55] <woodwizzle> mjr. Ar first I thought it might be a contact problem, but this laptop is dual boot and it works 100% in windows
[02:55] <woodwizzle> Hmm. my laptop DOES have usb2
[02:55] <Pizbit> ad-rock: run xcompmgr (In a terminal so you can easily ^c it)
[02:55] <woodwizzle> so maybe thats where the problem is
[02:55] <Pizbit> ad-rock: and then transset .x *click a window*
[02:56] <Pizbit> xcompmgr --help for window shadows, fading in/out menus/windows
[02:56] <mjr> woodwizzle, yeah, maybe some problem with the usb2 driver
[02:56] <mjr> trying a newer kernel might help, or might not
[02:57] <NeoChaosX> i hate my luck with proprietary codecs on Linux
[02:57] <ad-rock> Pizbit it works :D, how do i load xcompmgr at startup?
[02:58] <Pizbit> ad-rock: Running glxgears was touch and go for me while running xcompmgr though, if it crashed it'd take all of x down with it, fade in/out stuff only killed xcompmgr for me though.
[02:58] <Pizbit> ad-rock: Add it to session management
[02:59] <critter> This is the first time I have compiled Wine. Anyone know how long it usally takes ????
[02:59] <hayden> is there a program like flashget in linux that u can pause and resume downloads
[03:00] <farruinn> critter: that will depend on your processor, how much ram you have, etc
[03:00] <farruinn> critter: in my experience compiling times can vary quite a bit
[03:00] <ad-rock> Pizbit thx so much man :D
[03:00] <critter> OK Thanks been almost 1 hr
[03:00] <farruinn> hayden: if you love the command line I would suggest curl
[03:01] <Pizbit> ad-rock: No problems, just if your x server goes CYAS! Blame xcompmgr :)
[03:01] <hayden> i'd rather a program with a gui
[03:01] <farruinn> critter: let's put it this way, I had to compile some KDE stuff to use Rosegarden (back before Ridell ahd gotten that stuff up in binary) and I left it going for at least a whole day =)
[03:01] <ad-rock> Pizbit lol ok
[03:01] <hayden> but will take a look at curl
[03:01] <critter> OMG Shoot me now
[03:12] <blizah> do i need the fglxr-driver-dev files?
[03:14] <djst> where is the mail checker applet in gnome?
[03:15] <Pizbit> djst: Did you upgrade to hoary?
[03:15] <djst> yes
[03:15] <djst> or no, it's a fresh install
[03:15] <Pizbit> The mail checker was removed in gnome 2.10
[03:15] <djst> where can it be found then?
[03:15] <Pizbit> Due to being insecure and unmaintained etc
[03:16] <djst> the description of gnome-panel still says it includes a mail checker
[03:16] <djst> are there other (better) mail checkers for gnome then?
[03:16] <Ad-Rock> Gnome 2.10 rules, i love it
[03:16] <blizah> is fglxr= ati drivers?
[03:16] <djst> i find it convenient to see if i have mail without the need to launch thunderbird
[03:16] <hone> blizah, yeah should be
[03:17] <Genti> i need help with the download
[03:17] <Genti> i used jigdo
[03:17] <blizah> any way i could get the newest ones...my cs isnt running quite right
[03:17] <Genti> but it cannot find 55 files
[03:17] <blizah> hone i see that the ones in synaptic are real old
[03:17] <Genti> where can i find a list of files of hoary?
[03:18] <hone> blizah, mmm yeah the warty packages tend to be slightly dated iirc
[03:18] <blizah> synaptic = ver. 2.6.8       newest= 8.something
[03:18] <hone> blizah, just fyi I haven't been using ubuntu that long.
[03:18] <blizah> hehe
[03:18] <mdz> Genti: if it cannot find files, that generally means that your .jigdo is too old
[03:18] <hone> blizah, so just d/l them off the ati stie then?
[03:18] <Genti> but i just downloaded today
[03:19] <Genti> i mean like 4 hours ago
[03:19] <blizah> k
[03:19] <Genti> and i have been dowloading it using broadband
[03:19] <blizah> ill give that a try
[03:20] <hone> blizah, yeah sorry I coudln't be much more help
[03:20] <hone> blizah, this is my first computer w/ a radeon in it, and I'm just using hte free drivers (radeon mobility)
[03:20] <Pizbit> Where computer is a laptop?
[03:20] <hone> Pizbit, yes
[03:21] <hone> Pizbit, my desktop has a nvidia card
[03:21] <hone> Pizbit, just got my ibm thinkpad x31 today
[03:21] <Genti> is there a page with all the files of ubuntu?
[03:21] <hone> Pizbit, trying to set it up
[03:21] <Pizbit> hone: Ahh, I avoid ati as much as possible :)
[03:21] <natecull> I have a question re Totem
[03:21] <natecull> Is there any way to view what codecs / video formats are currently supported?
[03:21] <hone> Pizbit, to each their own, I've had major problems with them with drivers in the past
[03:21] <Ad-Rock> any good site for downloading themes? (any kind of themes)
[03:22] <natecull> I assume that Hoary ships with Theora and nothing else, but there seems to be no way for an end user to verify this
[03:22] <hone> Ad-Rock, gnome-look.org?
[03:22] <jms> could anyone help me with problem im having booting?
[03:22] <hone> Ad-Rock, art.gnome.org iirc
[03:22] <Pizbit> hone: Exactly, where as I've only ever had one problem with the NVIDIA drivers, and they released drivers to fix the problem within days of me discovering the problem :D
[03:22] <natecull> since the first question I have is 'great, I have a video player, now what videos can I download that I can view with this'?
[03:22] <hone> Pizbit, I've had loads of problems w/ nvidia on my debian box
[03:22] <Pizbit> natecull: Read the restricted formats FAQ
[03:22] <hone> Pizbit, XFree br0k3 and stuff
[03:22] <Pizbit> hone: Odd:)
[03:23] <hone> Pizbit, but I still buy nvidia cards..
[03:23] <natecull> I've looked in the Wiki and other than a brief mention that XviD is not supported, it doesn't say what *is* supported
[03:23] <fusion88> anyone know much about getting belkin usb wireless card working on ubuntu
[03:23] <jms> could someone tell me howto fix the system hanging at "starting hotplug subsystem" setp on bootup?
[03:23] <Ad-Rock> hone: what im really looking for is XCHAT Themes
[03:23] <natecull> can there be a page added to the FAQ somewhere about where to dl demo videos in order to test if Totem is working?
[03:24] <hone> Ad-Rock, mmmm sorry
[03:24] <hone> Ad-Rock, don't know any off the top of my head.
[03:24] <Pizbit> natecull: Personally I'd add the marillat reposity and install totem-xine and w32codecs, but run: gst-register-0.8, it should say list all the stuff gst has.
[03:24] <hone> Ad-Rock, or ther ewere xchat themes
[03:24] <Pizbit> Heh, xchat themes = changing the colours in the preferences.
[03:25] <The-Ghost|afk> does ubuntu do anything special with the HD?
[03:25] <Pizbit> Although there is a file with those colours in which you can swap with others.
[03:25] <natecull> Pizbit: cool, thanks, is gst-register-0.8 documented anywhere?
[03:25] <Ad-Rock> hone: thx anyway
[03:25] <The-Ghost|afk> i'm trying to install windows, because i don't have the time to configure Samba, and need it on net with windows servers by tomorrow, or in other words, about 3 hours...
[03:26] <Pizbit> natecull: Well, it's just the one way I know of seeing what gst has installed heh
[03:26] <avdd> Is warty supposed to have /bin/sh -> dash ?
[03:26] <natecull> I see it has theora and vorbis and a bunch of other plugins which I don't know what they are - is there some registry online of what each plugin is and does?
[03:26] <Pizbit> avdd: No, afaik it just uses bash
[03:26] <natecull> hmm, it has matroska also - is that a video codec?
[03:26] <Pizbit> Yep
[03:27] <jms> is there anyone that can help me?
[03:27] <tritium> natecull, see /usr/share/doc/w32codes/formats.txt
[03:27] <Pizbit> Not extremely common but it's around.
[03:27] <blizah> which versions of the xwindows drivers do i want:  x.org 6.8, xfree86 4.1   4.2   or 4.3?
[03:27] <tritium> natecull, that's w32codes, not w32codes, sorry
[03:27] <blizah> this is for an ati vid card
[03:27] <tritium> arg codecs
[03:27] <Pizbit> tritium: Only if he has w32codecs installed right?:)
[03:27] <tritium> Pizbit, yes
[03:27] <tritium> can't spell tonight ;)
[03:27] <natecull> But w32codecs are restricted and not necessarily legal?
[03:27] <Pizbit> Which warty/hoary does not by default, hence the restricted media faq to get them:)
[03:28] <blizah> anyone? :D
[03:28] <natecull> I'm mainly interested in knowing what can a user expect to play on Hoary out of the box without violating any laws
[03:28] <hone> blizah, uhh 4.3
[03:28] <Pizbit> natecull: It's dodgy ground, more or less everyone I've meet uses the package heh
[03:28] <hone> blizah, I htink 4.3 is default
[03:28] <Locutus1234> Having problems getting the nvidia drivers installed with hoary. I did the following sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx , sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings, and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable. I rebooted and I do not see the nvidia logo. Am I missing something?
[03:28] <natecull> PIzbit: sure, but that doesn't seem to be the official Ubuntu line, at least from reading the wiki.
[03:28] <blizah> hone k tnx
[03:28] <wuwei23> hey everyone
[03:28] <insidious> heloo all
[03:29] <blizah> and "alien <filename>"  converts the rpm to a deb file?
[03:29] <wuwei23> does anyone know how to edit the gnome menus under 2.10? nautilus applications:/// doesn't seem to work
[03:29] <natecull> Are there repositories of Theora encoded free (Creative Commons or the like) videos anywhere on the net that anyone knows of? If so it'd be neat to have a link to them as an example of what can be done with Hoary right now
[03:29] <hone> blizah, maybe some options but right utility
[03:29] <blizah> k
[03:29] <wuwei23> ablizah: alien --to-deb <file>.rpm
[03:30] <avdd> But the kernel package depends on initrd-tools, which depends on dash
[03:30] <avdd> I've seen a few scripts in warty that don't work with dash
[03:31] <holyhacker> hellp
[03:31] <crimsun> please file bugs against those packages, then, avdd
[03:31] <JDahl> is openoffice2 going to replace openoffice1 in Hoary?
[03:31] <crimsun> JDahl: not in time for Hoary, no.
[03:31] <Pizbit> o_O
[03:31] <Pizbit> Although it is in hoary
[03:32] <crimsun> you do realize that release is in about 3 weeks, right? ;-)
[03:32] <wuwei23> has anyone else had synaptic disappear when upgrading to hoary?
[03:32] <Pizbit> Well, the betas:P
[03:32] <woodwizzle> Has anyone here tried openoffice2 yet?
[03:33] <Pizbit> Yep
[03:33] <Pizbit> It's *much* nicer
[03:33] <hone> that it is
[03:33] <woodwizzle> Its got some nice feature improvements, but on the whole I was kinda dissapointed
[03:33] <Quest-Master> wuwei23: My Synaptic is still here
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Are the loadup times reduced at all?
[03:33] <Quest-Master> XD
[03:33] <woodwizzle> it takes sooo looong to load
[03:33] <JDahl> Pizbit, I think the GUI looks horrible...
[03:33] <wuwei23> quest-master: ah...weird. well, danke
[03:33] <woodwizzle> Quest-Master: I think they increased
[03:33] <tritium> wuwei23, no, I don't let important software get removed
[03:34] <wuwei23> tritium: there's a way to say 'don't touch synaptic' when doing a dist-upgrade?
[03:34] <woodwizzle> I'm giving Abiword a shot now. It loads very fast. But I still need OOo for powerpoint
[03:34] <JDahl> Pizbit, by that I mean that it's significantly worse than OO1 - I think it's misconfigured or something.. the fonts are all wrong
[03:35] <holyhacker> ok im supposed to add two lines in the /etc/apt/sources.list how do i so this
[03:35] <Pizbit> JDahl: Sounds like something is odd with your system heh, the fonts look fine here.
[03:35] <Genti> help guys, - cannot download hoary
[03:35] <Pizbit> holyhacker: Open the file in a text editor and put them anywhere?
[03:35] <wuwei23> JDahl: Are fonts replaced with little boxes with four numbers in them?
[03:35] <Genti> whhere can i find the files for amd 64?
[03:35] <holyhacker> its a ro file
[03:35] <tritium> wuwei23, I always check what apt is going to do before I let it do its thing
[03:35] <Pineapples10> im trying to compile something and im getting the error [all recursive]  error 1 anyone have any idea what that could mean?
[03:35] <Pizbit> holyhacker: Use sudo
[03:35] <holyhacker> sudo
[03:35] <holyhacker> how
[03:36] <Pizbit> holyhacker: Or follow this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:36] <wuwei23> tritium: so basically, you've got nothing to show me apart from your own arrogance? thanks for wasting my time
[03:36] <tritium> wuwei23, excuse me?
[03:37] <JDahl> Pizbit, actually it looks fine.. a few dist-upgrades must've done the trick
[03:37] <wuwei23> tritium: i'm kind of tired of asking for assitance and having people reply with "well, *i* just don't make that mistake in the first place"...it's fucking patronising, petty and it wastes my time
[03:37] <Genti> a simple address with the latest files is needed
[03:37] <Pizbit> wuwei23: It's calling pinning or something, I'll have a quick look to see what I can find
[03:37] <lookorez> hey I installed kubuntu but i dont think it asked for a root pw?? and now I can't su
[03:37] <Genti> hoarty
[03:37] <Pineapples10> linux is such an angry operating lol
[03:37] <Pizbit> lookorez: sudo
[03:37] <Pineapples10> *operating system
[03:37] <tritium> wuwei23, you didn't ask me for help.  you asked a question, and I answered
[03:38] <lookorez> what about sudo
[03:38] <wuwei23> tritium: no, you editorialised. don't dither and pretend otherwise.
[03:38] <Locutus1234> Can anyone please tell me how to get the nvidia drivers working on hoary?
[03:38] <hone> how do I make usre keys are binded to the right keycode?
[03:38] <wuwei23> Pizbit: the font problem is 'pinning'? Or were you referring to something else?
[03:38] <Pineapples10> im compiling a perl script and im getting the error "[all recursive]  error1" anyone have any idea what that means
[03:38] <blizah> is it ok in ubuntu to download the ati drivers and install them in warty?  (not going through synaptic)
[03:38] <JDahl> Locutus1234, there's no quick answer to that (other than read the wiki)
[03:38] <tritium> wuwei23, nice talking with you...
[03:39] <wuwei23> tritium: can't really say the same
[03:39] <GhostFreeman> Whats the terminal command to run a .run file
[03:40] <natecull> hmm
[03:40] <JDahl> blizah, it's generally better to use the package manager. Otherwise you break automatic updates and configuration
[03:40] <DarthFrog> GhostFreeman: sh <filename>
[03:40] <natecull> clicking on a torrent link from the theora.org site just froze up my Firefox
[03:40] <JDahl> GhostFreeman, sh ./filename
[03:40] <DarthFrog> GhostFreeman: sh (filename)
[03:40] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[03:40] <natecull> or something.  It'll prompt for your password first time
[03:42] <lookorez> ok
[03:42] <Pineapples10> SUMO LMAO
[03:42] <blizah> jdahl, somebody told me i could edit something to see the list of things in apt-get for hoary update that one thing change somethign back as it was before and i would have the version that was available in hoary but still be in warty
[03:42] <JDahl> void_, it sounds like your laptop goes into hybernation and doesnt wake up... that's a common problem I think
[03:42] <natecull> if you really really need it there's a 'Root Terminal' from the Applications menu
[03:42] <blizah> jdahl heard of anything like that?
[03:42] <lookorez> im ok with this sudo thing i guess
[03:43] <bob2> or "sudo -s"
[03:43] <Pineapples10> jdahl, power management in linux isnt that great
[03:43] <bob2> JDahl: that's not true
[03:43] <natecull> this is definitely weird - reboot time
[03:43] <bob2> suspending to disk works on almost all known i386 hardware
[03:43] <bob2> suspend to ram is machine dependant, but works on many as well
[03:44] <Pineapples10> im trying to compile a perl script and it stops at the rror "[all reclusive]  error 1"  anyone have any idea?
[03:44] <bob2> Pineapples10: that's not the error
[03:44] <bob2> paste the whole output to #flood
[03:45] <hone> hey how do I check
[03:45] <hone> what keycodes
[03:46] <hone> are for certain keys
[03:47] <Pineapples10> bob2, what do you mean
[03:47] <The-Ghost|afk> jm
[03:47] <The-Ghost|afk> hmm
[03:47] <The-Ghost|afk> any one that knows ubuntu GOOOOD
[03:47] <bob2> hone: the "xev" program might do what youwant
[03:47] <The-Ghost|afk> that i can pm?
[03:48] <JDahl> blizah, you can update your sources.list with the hoary repository, and install specific packages from hoary by writing something like "apt-get install xxx:hoary" (I dont remember the details, though, so I may be wrong). maybe read the apt-get man-page?
[03:48] <Pizbit_> Argh, for some reason some unstable happened, but anyway
[03:48] <hone> bob2, that's it
[03:48] <nix000> it looks like after my latest upgrades the kernel was changed (hoary preview) and the nvidia module (which was updated) cannot be loaded anymore ttttttow !
[03:48] <The-Ghost|afk> the prog has totaly destroyd one of my hdd's
[03:48] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: just ask your question
[03:48] <nix000> i meant nvidia not updated
[03:48] <bob2> Pineapples10: I mean "that's not the error"
[03:48] <JDahl> blizah, but I wouldnt mix hoary and warty... escpecially since Hoary will be released soon
[03:48] <bob2> 12:44:37           bob2 | paste the whole output to #flood
[03:49] <bob2> nix000: perhaps you didn't install the approriate restricted-modules package?
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> okay i instald ubuntu.... and i realy need to go back to windows for 2 day's
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> and now i can't f get the hdd back to fat32.
[03:49] <lookorez> oops
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> i have totaly delete it.
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> etc.
[03:49] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: did you overwrite anything on it?
[03:49] <nix000> bob2, i have linux-restrict 2.6.10-6  in there. not sure which one would be the apropriated !
[03:49] <Pizbit_> apt-get pinning and only getting certain packages from a different version of ubuntu(it's debiam, but since ubuntu is debian based it works) www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> overwrite?
[03:49] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: like put new data on there?
[03:50] <The-Ghost|afk> i change it to ext3 and /root
[03:50] <blizah> is hoary pretty stable now?
[03:50] <The-Ghost|afk> or was it /
[03:50] <The-Ghost|afk> i format the hdd to linux format.
[03:50] <bob2> Pizbit_: pinning is a bad idea
[03:50] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: so you installed over it?
[03:50] <Pizbit_> bob2: Someone was asking about it earlier:P
[03:50] <bob2> blizah: it's in the final month coming up to release, so I hope so ;)
[03:50] <blizah> hehe
[03:50] <bob2> nix000: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[03:50] <The-Ghost|afk> Ycros no yes u can say i did.
[03:51] <blizah> i guess i cant wait to play counterstrike properly :D
[03:51] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: well then it's pretty much gone
[03:51] <NeoChaosX> oh hell, figures
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> wtf?
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> what do u mean?
[03:51] <NeoChaosX> i play my WMVs in MPlayer and I finally get sound again
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> i can still instal linux on it.
[03:51] <nix000> bob2, 2.6.10-4-386  ... how the helll
[03:51] <blizah> just outta curiousity anyone play counterstrike 1.6 under warty?
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> Ycros what the f do u mean?
[03:51] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: hang on, are you trying to restore an old partition?
[03:51] <_ToNhO_> O my the Ubuntu is very nice i leve him have all som i want
[03:51] <Pizbit_> NeoChaosX: Well, if the sound goes around play around with mplayer -ao help :)
[03:51] <IRCMonkey> any one know how to talk in ##linux
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> i can read it in linux i can read it in bios
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> all i whan't is to get it to fat32
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> or ntfs.
[03:52] <NeoChaosX> no, i mean if I use totem-xine, there's no sound
[03:52] <bob2> IRCMonkey: don't bother
[03:52] <NeoChaosX> if I use MPlayer, then sound works
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> sow i can instal a new version of windows.
[03:52] <Pizbit_> Heh, weird
[03:52] <awb4422> ive been searching google and the wiki for info on how to get an nvidia card working in hoary... has anyone had any success? I can't find anything definitive
[03:52] <IRCMonkey> bob can you help me then?
[03:52] <Pizbit_> NeoChaosX: Just use plain ol' xine?:)
[03:52] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: just install it
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> sow i can lan tomorow.
[03:52] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: yeah, just install it
[03:52] <lookorez> its ok to use synaptic with kubuntu right?
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> windows can't find hdd.
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> :p
[03:52] <NeoChaosX> tried it before, didn't change a thing
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> ?
[03:52] <bob2> IRCMonkey: have you asked an ubuntu-related question yet?
[03:52] <Ycros> ?
[03:52] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: then something else is broken
[03:52] <bob2> lookorez: yes
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> like what?
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> like my head?
[03:52] <Ycros> that's a windows issue then
[03:53] <The-Ghost|afk> lol
[03:53] <The-Ghost|afk> Ycros it's not.
[03:53] <IRCMonkey> i don't know what ubuntu is?
[03:53] <NeoChaosX> And who thought it was a good idea to compile mplayer-custom without the GUI?
[03:53] <bob2> IRCMonkey: then why are you in here?
[03:53] <IRCMonkey> i just need help installing linux
[03:53] <The-Ghost|afk> linux format the hdd into a other format didn't it?
[03:53] <bob2> IRCMonkey: blah blah blah
[03:53] <thierry> hey, When I watch a movie or play a game, the pictures are going faster than the sound (about 2-3 seconds) but it's enough to be annoying... any idea?
[03:53] <NeoChaosX> And make it the only installable MPlayer package in ubuntu to boot?
[03:53] <IRCMonkey> and I was looking for help to talk on the linux help channel
[03:53] <bob2> IRCMonkey: what distribution are you trying to insall?
[03:53] <IRCMonkey> peanut
[03:53] <bob2> IRCMonkey: then #peanut or something
[03:54] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: is it the only hard drive in the machine?
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> at the moment yes.
[03:54] <_ToNhO_> Some on is from brazil?
[03:54] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: it doesn't matter.  just tell windows to nuke the disk.
[03:54] <IRCMonkey> i did...nothing
[03:54] <djst> does anyone know how to make the sound card accessible by several users at once?
[03:54] <_ToNhO_> Some on is from brazil?
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> hehe
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> nuke it
[03:54] <djst> my girlfriend and i are often logged on at the same time (using gdm and the "new login" feature)
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> i got a prog from hdd manufaktor that is traing to zerro the disk = delet all info..
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> but dosn't seam to be working.
[03:55] <bob2> IRCMonkey: I'm not sure what you're expecting us to say then
[03:55] <djst> currently, the second login doesn't get access to the sound card
[03:55] <bob2> IRCMonkey: ##linux will be of no use
[03:55] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: then there shouldn't be a problem, you should get a list of partitions in the windows installer, just delete one or all of them and make a new windows partition
[03:55] <bob2> IRCMonkey: you need to find people who actually use "peanut"
[03:55] <bob2> DarthFrog: turn that off, please
[03:55] <bob2> djst: yes it does
[03:55] <The-Ghost|afk> i don't get any list of partitions
[03:55] <_ToNhO_> Some on is from brazil?
[03:55] <bob2> djst: but the first one blocks the second from accessing it
[03:55] <The-Ghost|afk> all i get is no hdd detected.
[03:55] <IRCMonkey> you could prolly tell me the answer to this
[03:55] <bob2> _ToNhO_: er, why?
[03:55] <The-Ghost|afk> the hdd i'm using is the 10Gb from my xbox.
[03:55] <IRCMonkey>  it's hanging on this error that says RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[03:55] <The-Ghost|afk> :p
[03:55] <djst> bob2:  that's getting technical ;) so how can i solve the problem?
[03:56] <The-Ghost|afk> seagate.
[03:56] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: did you have a working windows install on it previously?
[03:56] <The-Ghost|afk> segate
[03:56] <bob2> IRCMonkey: no, you need to ask people who actually use "peanut"
[03:56] <IRCMonkey> sounds like a easy problem
[03:56] <bob2> IRCMonkey: no, it's not
[03:56] <The-Ghost|afk> yes i had a demo of windows 2003 server.
[03:56] <IRCMonkey> ok sorry...for bothering you....(I thought linux was a friendly community)
[03:56] <The-Ghost|afk> and i can't restor it now becos the hdd was formated in linux.
[03:56] <_ToNhO_> bob2: i have a channel UbuntuBR i am a new user in ubuntu but i like i him so much is better than slackware and debian for me have a good intaface
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> i don't know what to do at the moment?
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> ..
[03:57] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: then nuke the partitions or something
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> didn't work
[03:57] <bob2> it sounds like windows is actually even more useless than I remember
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> hehe
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> not nuking it with windows
[03:57] <Ycros> well if windows isn't detecting the hard drive and linux is, then it's a windows problem
[03:58] <bob2> yeah
[03:58] <The-Ghost|afk> using a prog from the hdd manufaktor.
[03:58] <Ycros> fiddle with your hardware/bios
[03:58] <bob2> djst: you can't, really
[03:58] <Ycros> windows can be picky about stuff
[03:58] <The-Ghost|afk> sow it seams linux has f it real gooood up :p
[03:58] <Ycros> make sure the hard drive is primary master, etc.
[03:58] <The-Ghost|afk> today.
[03:58] <thierry> hey, When I watch a movie or play a game, the pictures are going faster than the sound (about 2-3 seconds) but it's enough to be annoying... any idea?
[03:58] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: this sounds an awful lot like a windows problem
[03:58] <bob2> thierry: you don't need to repeat
[03:58] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: linux doesn't screw hard drives
[03:58] <djst> bob2:  really? i thought it was an access right issue or something.. ?
[03:58] <thierry> bob2, sorry
[03:58] <JDahl> The-Ghost|afk, I would start a linux installation until I get to partitioning... then create one big primary partition as type ntfs - then try to install windows
[03:58] <The-Ghost|afk> it tok mine hard :p
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> we did tray to leth linux make a fat32.
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> but didn't work
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> :p
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> :?
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> don't ask me why.
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> i'm to new to linuz
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> linux
[03:59] <bob2> djst: no, it's not
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> and going crazy at the moment.
[03:59] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: please try to use " " instead of hitting enter after every word
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> yes okay i'm a big spamer sorry.
[04:00] <djst> bob2:  please explain! :) will i get the same bad news whoever i ask or are you not 100% sure?
[04:00] <bwlang> thierry: i bet you don't have the xv extension running... the other possibility is that you're using a sound daemon like esd or arts... try using alsa instead
[04:00] <The-Ghost|afk> sow u have no other ide then nuke it? "i will take it out and shoot it with my shoot gun" :p or format it in linux to ntfs.
[04:00] <The-Ghost|afk> okay.
[04:00] <The-Ghost|afk> thx..
[04:00] <thierry> bwlang, what is xv and I use alsa
[04:00] <The-Ghost|afk> will tray it or
[04:00] <bob2> djst: you need either a different card (emu10k1 aka sblive will work fine) or to kill esd before you logout
[04:01] <The-Ghost|afk> bang my head somwher...
[04:01] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: you could always lan on linux :P
[04:01] <The-Ghost|afk> i don't have the time
[04:01] <djst> bob2:  so the problem is that there are no good drivers for ac97 sound cards?
[04:01] <The-Ghost|afk> i got to have a file server up in 12 hour's witch has to work with a chipt xbox...
[04:01] <bob2> djst: sort of
[04:02] <bwlang> thierry: xv is the video extension for X... if you don't use it video is much  more expensive.  to check you'll need to watch the output from mplayer or xine or whatever to see what it's using
[04:02] <bob2> djst: aiui it's a card issue the drivers don't work around
[04:02] <The-Ghost|afk> i know how to do it on windows .. but not on linux.. and i don't got the time.. exams on monday.
[04:02] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: please?  we know you have problems, but afaict they are with windows, not ubuntu.
[04:02] <thierry> bwlang, where do I get xv?
[04:02] <djst> bob2:  ok.. too bad then. it's not enough big a problem to warrant a new sound card though, so i guess i have to cope with it.
[04:02] <bob2> xv isn't something you download
[04:02] <thierry> bwlang : apt-get install xv ?
[04:03] <wuwei23> does anyone know how to edit menus under gnome 2.10?
[04:03] <bob2> is that possible?
[04:03] <wuwei23> although going from what i'm seeing on the gnome site, it's not something they seem to encourage :(
[04:03] <djst> bob2:  thanks anyway for the info! i guess some things are never easy in linux.
[04:03] <bob2> djst: well, it's not really a linux problem
[04:04] <djst> bob2:  but a linux driver problem? since it works in windows i mean
[04:04] <The-Ghost|afk> bob2: the prob is that when i instald linux i was realy happy.... as u all are.. but when i trayd to go back i meet the wall.
[04:04] <bob2> djst: windows lets two users use the soundcard simultaneously?
[04:04] <lookorez> anyone have a repository that has php5 available? its not available in the default repositories
[04:04] <djst> bob2:  yes, no problem
[04:04] <bob2> lookorez: haha.
[04:05] <bob2> lookorez: dotdeb.org.
[04:05] <LinuxJones> Nvidia on Hoary is busted again ?
[04:05] <The-Ghost|afk> becouse i can't delet the partition's totaly sow windows can partion my hdd.
[04:05] <bob2> djst: both using winamp at the exact same time, playing two different songs etc?
[04:05] <djst> bob2:  windows mixes all sound
[04:05] <bob2> LinuxJones: if it was, it would be in the BTS
[04:05] <djst> bob2:  yes.
[04:05] <bob2> DarthFrog: turn that off
[04:05] <bob2> lord
[04:05] <lookorez> ue to a severe server crash, Dotdeb.org is currently down.
[04:05] <bob2> lookorez: oh well
[04:05] <bob2> djst: ok
[04:05] <LinuxJones> bob2, my card is very old and I expect any day it will be unsupported :(
[04:05] <djst> bob2:  it actually does, you can login with, say, 5 users and all playing winamp. it would sound good though, unless all users play seashore relaxing sounds
[04:06] <djst> bob2:  that's why i said it was a linux issue
[04:06] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: the thing is, it's irrelevant what partitions or what's on your hard drive when installing windows, I've installed windows many times
[04:07] <The-Ghost|afk> Ycros give me 2 min to chekk if this work's
[04:07] <DonL> Ycros, it just takes over, doesn't it?
[04:07] <hone> when I try ot echo stuff into /proc/acpi/sleep
[04:07] <hone> it keeps giving me permission denied
[04:08] <bob2> hone: you'd have to do it as root, obviously
[04:08] <The-Ghost|afk> if this works i will thele u what i did sow if som other n00b has the same prob u atleast have the noleged about it :)
[04:08] <bob2> hone: also, wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[04:08] <wuwei23> okay: gnome 2.10 has *removed* the ability to edit the application menu etc via nautilus applications:///
[04:08] <The-Ghost|afk> cruss you'r fingers pls
[04:08] <wuwei23> crap
[04:08] <hone> bob2, I can't just use sudo?
[04:09] <bob2> hone: sure
[04:09] <nix000> bob2, it seems that i have 2 linux-restricted modules {linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386   <IP_ADDRESS>-5} {linux-restricted-modules-386    2.6.10-6} these came with the default hoary preview.
[04:09] <bob2> nix000: ok!
[04:10] <nix000> bob2, not sure if there is anything wrong here.
[04:10] <bob2> that's fine
[04:10] <hone> bob2, still gives me permission denid
[04:10] <hone> bob2, let me check the wiki
[04:11] <bob2> because you're doing it wrong
[04:11] <bob2> sudo -s
[04:11] <bob2> echo blah > /blah
[04:11] <bob2> ctrl-d
[04:12] <nix000> bob2, any idea why the nvidia module would not load with FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[04:12] <bob2> no
[04:13] <bob2> tho a few people have reported that
[04:13] <nix000> darn !
[04:13] <tritium> nix000, it's a kernel ABI problem that's being worked on as we speak
[04:13] <Can0beans> Hoary preview looks great
[04:14] <nix000> tritium, so am i better off getting a stock kernel and installing the nvidia modules via the nvidia installer ?
[04:14] <DonL> Is it not also an X-org problem?
[04:15] <nix000> tritium, it recompiles the module based on the installed kernel headers i ve seen
[04:15] <tritium> nix000, I usually don't recommend that approach.
[04:15] <power-on> hello
[04:15] <tritium> If you can wait a bit, they'll have the kernel fixed
[04:15] <power-on> i have problem
[04:16] <geneo93> ubuntu is awsome but i have a problem gdm has locked me out any help?
[04:16] <power-on> sombedoy can helpme?
[04:16] <DonL> tritium, I can wait.
[04:16] <jon1012> ctrl-alt-backspace ?
[04:16] <farruinn> geneo93: do you get an error?
[04:16] <tritium> DonL, cool, hopefully it won't be too long.  :)
[04:16] <farruinn> power-on: go ahead and ask your question
[04:17] <power-on> tankyou
[04:17] <power-on> im on dual xeon
[04:17] <nix000> anyone know if 2.6.10 will ever be available for warty ? the only reason i came on hoary was because of it.
[04:17] <The-Ghost|afk> and no it didn't work
[04:17] <DonL> tritium, I've got Warty working so well now, I hate to change
[04:17] <geneo93> well at login is it just dont let me go to failsafe or anything
[04:17] <power-on> i was searching info por intall kernel-smp on my ubuntu
[04:17] <Pizbit> Don't suppose anyone knows about getting .ods files to open with OOo and not the handler program for zip files? Because it is a zip file it has the mime-type of a zip, but it should actually be handled by OOo (OpenOffice.org 2.0)
[04:17] <tritium> DonL, might be good to just wait until Hoary released before you change then
[04:18] <power-on> but i cant see nothing fo info,
[04:18] <DonL> Yup. I have issues with Xorg too.
[04:18] <Coily> im trying to play a svq3 quicktime video, i guess im out of luck?
[04:18] <nix000> DonL, i was forced to change because 2.6.8 was so broken on this new laptop i have.
[04:18] <crimsun> nix000: no, it won't. Warty (and soon to be Hoary) is stable.
[04:19] <lookorez> how come I don't have a pssword for root console?
[04:19] <DonL> I know things will stabilize.
[04:19] <lookorez> i'm not supposed to use it?
[04:19] <DonL> lookorez, it's just a different way of doing it. I like it now
[04:20] <geneo93> farruinn:  i dunno the exact message but it refers to gdm i came over here to mandrake to maybe fix it from here
[04:20] <power-on> i wanna to know how to install kernel-image.x.x.x.x-smp on my ubuntu
[04:20] <jon1012> good night everybody :)
[04:20] <nix000> DonL, i have warty on my desktop and it rocks
[04:20] <DonL> Night jon1012
[04:20] <DonL> nix000, I think so too
[04:20] <farruinn> geneo93: my guess: ownership of ~/.ICEauthority is root, just delete the file or change the permissions back to you if that's the case
[04:21] <DonL> nix000, the only thing I have to work out now is the printer attached to my wife's XP
[04:21] <DonL> I use a router
[04:21] <lookorez> i'm fine with not running as root, i'm just curious, i'm not even supposed to know the root password at all?
[04:22] <geneo93> i deleted iceauthority from my home dir
[04:22] <nix000> the printer setup was very slick last time i used.
[04:22] <DonL> The root password is your password
[04:22] <lookorez> why doesn't it work then
[04:22] <geneo93> but still no go
[04:22] <farruinn> there is no root password
[04:22] <lookorez> oh ok
[04:22] <farruinn> geneo93: don't know what to tell you then w/o an error message
[04:22] <lookorez> so su is kind of useless then
[04:23] <DonL> lookorez, you have to type "sudo" before the command
[04:23] <lookorez> yeah i know
[04:23] <wuwei23> ah crap, menu editing is a feature for gnome 2.12
[04:23] <DonL> Then it will ask you for a password, and you use your user password
[04:23] <lookorez> yep I got that down
[04:23] <wuwei23> so 2.8 has it, 2.10 breaks it, and we have to wait another six months to be able to re-use it?
[04:23] <DonL> lookorez, then you're root for the time being
[04:23] <geneo93> sudo
[04:24] <farruinn> I think 2.12 coincides with hoary+1, whatver that is
[04:24] <geneo93> if you want root pswd the do a sudo passwd root
[04:24] <lookorez> seems good actually, I was kind of in the habit of always running as root before
[04:24] <lookorez> ok
[04:24] <farruinn> lookorez: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo has some interesting info
[04:24] <DonL> Yes. That's a bad thing to get into the habit of doing, lookorez
[04:24] <hone> my nautilus won't work
[04:24] <geneo93> well there is no login for root
[04:24] <wuwei23> farruinn: i'm just kind of agog at breaking basic functionality that was already working
[04:25] <nix000> is there a way i can start java apps from nautilus ? they require the jvm and JAVA_HOME to be defined beforehand
[04:25] <farruinn> wuwei23: it's because the entire menu system has changed
[04:25] <hone> when I try to open home
[04:25] <hone> nothing happens
[04:26] <geneo93> damn i need the root dir to fix this
[04:26] <DonL> hone, that's weird
[04:26] <farruinn> geneo93: chroot?
[04:26] <power-on> nobody has dual-xeon ?
[04:26] <wuwei23> farruinn: yeah, i can appreciate that, i just wish it had coincided with even a *basic* editor
[04:26] <hone> DonL, yeah
[04:26] <hone> DonL, when I run nautilus in the cli, it just hangs there
[04:26] <hone> DonL, like it's about to do a command
[04:26] <wuwei23> farruinn: the gnome line of 'if it doesn't add a menu option, your app is broken' doesn't really help
[04:27] <nix000> power-on, i have dual-32 )amd64)
[04:27] <geneo93> i'm in mandrake and have to mt it
[04:27] <power-on> nice, nix you can tell o how to install kernel-smp?!
[04:27] <hone> anyone have any idea what hte problem could be?
[04:27] <DonL> hone, you're running gnome under Ubuntu?
[04:28] <nix000> power-on, that was a joke. i meant one single 64 !
[04:28] <hone> DonL, yepp
[04:28] <power-on> xD okok
[04:28] <nix000> power-on, sorry :-)
[04:28] <DonL> hone, and it's Warty?
[04:28] <geneo93> had to edit fstab
[04:29] <GammaRay> does anyone here actually think people should not be able to edit the apps menu?
[04:29] <nix000> hone, you can start it from the menu ?
[04:29] <hone> DonL, yeah
[04:29] <hone> nix000, no
[04:29] <hone> DonL, uhm, well it's w/ the updated back port stuff
[04:29] <power-on> is very dificult meet info for how to install kernel-smp
[04:29] <hone> DonL, from the ubuntuguide.org
[04:29] <nix000> hone, did you recently did and upgrade ?
[04:29] <tritium> GammaRay, unfortunately, it's not implemented yet
[04:29] <hone> nix000, ?
[04:30] <DonL> In that case, I don't know. Mine works fine. Click on Computer, then Home
[04:30] <azriel0184> hi guys, i noticed my bandwidth usage was through the roof, so i reset my machine, and now i cant login
[04:30] <hone> nix000, I just installed it today on my thinkpad that came in today
[04:30] <geneo93> now all i need is to know which file to edit in gdm
[04:30] <DonL> hone, I think I did all the backport stuff too
[04:30] <nix000> hone, i was seing it on hoary. even terminal was not coming up.
[04:30] <hone> nix000, yeah I don't have any hoary stuff
[04:30] <farruinn> geneo93: your xsessions are in /usr/share/xsessions iirc
[04:31] <DonL> I did screw up my system to the point of no return by trying to upgrade to Hoary, though
[04:31] <The-Ghost|afk> bob2 or Ycros any more ide's?
[04:31] <DonL> ...ended up re-installing everthing
[04:31] <azriel0184> gdm loads, and i put in my info then gnome starts up and all i get is a blank screen
[04:31] <hone> DonL, yeah I haven't tried hoary yet
[04:31] <nix000> DonL, i always get a cd install for upgrades
[04:32] <hone> DonL, I want something stable that works for my laptop
[04:32] <DonL> Your mileage may be better than mind
[04:32] <DonL> mine
[04:32] <hone> DonL, it's ok
[04:32] <hone> DonL, I want something stable
[04:32] <Coily> im getting a "relocation error" when trying to start mplayer, it seems the problem is with libavcodec.so.0 ive tried reinstalling libavcodec0 to no avail, help anyone?
[04:32] <hone> DonL, over bleeding edge
[04:32] <hone> DonL, I can't wait.
[04:32] <wuwei23> GammaRay: that certainly seemed to be the party line on the gnome forums
[04:32] <DonL> I've no doubt it will be stable
[04:32] <hone> DonL, err wait
[04:32] <azriel0184> can anyone help?
[04:32] <farruinn> DonL: did you try the preview release install cd?
[04:32] <hone> DonL, err can
[04:32] <hone> DonL, anyways, point is I'm not on hoary
[04:32] <Coily> anyone?
[04:32] <JDahl> azriel0184, try going to a console with ALT-F1, then "ps -ef | grep gnome"... maybe there's a dead gnome-panel process or something that you need to kill
[04:32] <nix000> hone, i wish i could keep using warty. i also happen to have a new laptop. and the acpi stuf is totally not working in warty
[04:33] <geneo93> farruinn:  all thats there are exe files for kde and gnome
[04:33] <GammaRay> tritium, wuwei23: i noticed that.. I'm don't even want to pester about it.. I've just been reading about people who "never edited a menu in their lives" or "wonder why a common grunt would want to worry their pretty little heard w/ organizing their own menu."
[04:33] <DonL> hone, not the cd, but an update from the net
[04:33] <power-on> thanks, im going
[04:33] <azriel0184> JDahl, nothing
[04:33] <nix000> hone, but hoary had one flaw only so far.
[04:33] <nix000> hone, evrything else went sweet
[04:33] <tritium> GammaRay, here's to hoping that they implement it soon...
[04:33] <Coily> repeatin: im getting a "relocation error" when trying to start mplayer, it seems the problem is with libavcodec.so.0 ive tried reinstalling libavcodec0 to no avail, help anyone?
[04:34] <hone> nix000, yeah everything seems ot almost be working w/ acpi
[04:34] <JDahl> azriel0184, then look at the logs /var/log/gdm
[04:34] <hone> nix000, on my x31
[04:34] <hone> DonL, hmm? I updated the stuff from ubuntuguide.org
[04:34] <wuwei23> GammaRay: i've got a bunch of java apps here, like jEdit, that doen't add their own menu option...plus i usually link a bunch of scripts into a submenu
[04:34] <DonL> Yeah. Me too
[04:34] <hone> DonL, yeah..
[04:34] <hone> DonL, maybe I should reboot
[04:34] <farruinn> GammaRay: I don't think the intent is to take away menu editing, it just needs to be implemented yet.  Pay attention to who says what on the forums, could just be anyone saying those things
[04:34] <wuwei23> GammaRay: I'm just trying to find out if there's any way of editting it at all
[04:35] <DonL> hone, maybe
[04:35] <hone> DonL, k brb
[04:35] <wuwei23> farruinn: it's just a weird thing to break for a whole release
[04:35] <GammaRay> wuwei23: supposedly you can edit the menu as root somewhere in /usr
[04:35] <karsten> Does ubuntu have any sort of demand dialer or dial-on-browser-startup feature?
[04:35] <geneo93> Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
[04:36] <azriel0184> JDahl, nothing other than missing fonts
[04:36] <azriel0184> which have been there the whole time
[04:36] <mhykhh> Hey h\guys
[04:36] <geneo93> last line of last log
[04:37] <karsten> geneo93: Not a problem.
[04:37] <geneo93> gee i guess i tried it to many times
[04:37] <JDahl> azriel0184, when you checked for gnome processes, you didnt kill gdm, did you? (you shouldn't)
[04:37] <rever> Hi can someone tell me what I need to install to get totem to play mpg files.
[04:37] <farruinn> karsten: make sudo pon a startup item?
[04:38] <geneo93> i was in kde and did a normal reboot
[04:38] <farruinn> rever: have you seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats?
[04:38] <karsten> farruinn: iface ppp auto will do that.
[04:38] <karsten> farruinn: ...at startup.
[04:38] <azriel0184> JDahl ok, i tried with gdm running, and all that is there is gnome-keyring-daemon
[04:38] <rever> farruinn, Nope I am going to go there and read now thanks
[04:39] <farruinn> karsten: ok, so are you trying to do something differently?
[04:39] <GammaRay> wuwei23: I tend to dislike the whole concept of an accessories submenu (-; and rather than fight the whole gnome org about I'd rather just delete it w/ a right click
[04:39] <karsten> farruinn: I'm thinking something akin to 'Doze "dial up when launching MSIE".  My best idea is to write a wrapper script:  pon; sensible-browser; poff
[04:39] <JDahl> azriel0184, now try "sudo killall gnome-keyring-daemon" without stopping gdm
[04:39] <karsten> farruinn: PPP session is tied to _browser_ use, not system coming up/down.
[04:39] <geneo93> i tell you winxp is a virus thats what i was doing getting a fix exe file for this other guys machine and tried to copy it to floppy
[04:40] <djst> *panic* please help.. i tried the hibernate feature when logging of, it just turned off my display and left the computer unusable.. i had to hard reboot and after doing that, the nvidia driver won't load anymore!
[04:40] <farruinn> karsten: hm, make a script: 'pon ; mozila-firefox'?
[04:40] <azriel0184> JDahl its gone, but still nothing is happening
[04:40] <geneo93> karsten:  why wont kppp work
[04:40] <djst> i changed the line containing "nvidia" to just "nv" and X started again, but i can't enable the nvidia driver again.... any ideas please?
[04:40] <hone> hmm
[04:40] <JDahl> azriel0184, then I dont know
[04:40] <hone> it seems to not work
[04:41] <hone> when I get internet connection
[04:41] <farruinn> karsten: I know that's not desirable, but it's all I can think of
[04:41] <hone> and try to search my network
[04:41] <hone> for servers
[04:41] <azriel0184> it doesnt work if i try with startx either
[04:42] <azriel0184> anyone else have any ideas?
[04:42] <karsten> geneo93: NFC.
[04:42] <djst> i've even tried reinstalling nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx, but the nvidia driver still don't load
[04:42] <karsten> geneo93: You're not paying it enough.
[04:42] <karsten> geneo93: Run from a terminal.  Look at its error output.
[04:42] <karsten> farruinn: Yeah, that's pretty much it.  A 'poff' at the end as well.
[04:42] <tony> djst maybe try reconfiguring xfree
[04:43] <karsten> farruinn: Anyhow, just trying to see if the idea's totally whack or not.
[04:43] <farruinn> karsten: so something exists for kde that does this?
[04:43] <djst> tony: xfree? this is hoary, using xorg... and as i said i did change the xorg.conf back to use the "nv" driver instead of "nvidia", and that starts x...
[04:43] <geneo93> yes kppp
[04:43] <djst>  but the nvidia driver refuses to load after that hibernation
[04:44] <farruinn> karsten: you could make a feature request, but I don't know if that would appropriate for ubuntu's or gnome's...
[04:45] <karsten> farruinn: NFC.
[04:46] <karsten> farruinn: I'm mostly curious as to whether this exists already.  A feature to allow the wrapper might be neat.  gconf could probably bogart it somehow.
[04:46] <critter> Anyone know why when I "$ wine --help" it starts oponing duplicate windows over and over
[04:47] <geneo93> there should be a gppp as well
[04:47] <critter> Tiles window after window
[04:47] <wuwei23> GammaRay: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apc.html
[04:48] <wuwei23> GammaRay: looks kinda irritating but at least it's do-able :)
[04:50] <DonL> I'm off, folks. Thanks for the chat
[04:51] <hayden> how can i check how much ram i have?
[04:51] <critter> Any Help with WIne????
[04:51] <farruinn> hayden: device manager methinks
[04:52] <GammaRay> wuwei23: does it support per use overrides?
[04:52] <Quest-Master> Wow, amazing. This is the most painless printer installation, ever.
[04:53] <Quest-Master> :D
[04:53] <trippeh> I'm having a funky problem in both 4.10 and hoary, the mouse moves only two times a second while in use.
[04:53] <hayden> hmm
[04:53] <Quest-Master> Took me less than five minutes. Awesome.
[04:53] <hayden> where can i find the total amount i have
[04:53] <trippeh> FC3 has the same issue, Debian unstable/2.6 does not
[04:53] <Quest-Master> trippeh: It must be a GNOME problem then.
[04:53] <farruinn> hayden: there's probably a command but I can't think of it atm, so poke around in /proc
[04:54] <wuwei23> GammaRay: unsure
[04:54] <farruinn> hayden: or 'appropos memory'
[04:54] <hayden> k
[04:54] <trippeh> qust-master: my bets are on XFree or Xorg.
[04:54] <tony> hayden maybe dmesg
[04:54] <trippeh> Quest-Master even
[04:54] <zyaga> Does anyone know how to get Dual Monitors on Ubuntu
[04:54] <wuwei23> GammaRay: but i found a php-gtk based menu editor on the ubuntu forums; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=7caaa43cfbe8d4f97fb2ca86c0791a41&t=16699&highlight=edit+menu
[04:54] <hayden> ok ill try dmesh
[04:54] <geneo93> farruinn:  ok now i remember it says dir mabe full
[04:54] <scorpix> i got error when i try to burn an iso file to a cd
[04:55] <Quest-Master> hmm. weird.
[04:55] <hayden> f**k!
[04:55] <farruinn> geneo93: huh, I have no idea
[04:55] <Quest-Master> Why is gedit printing stuff but not AbiWord?
[04:55] <Quest-Master> x_x
[04:55] <scorpix> the error is: The system is too slow to write the CD at this speed.
[04:55] <trippeh> and it works fine through vnc, of course :)
[04:55] <Quest-Master> Now, let's see if OpenOffice works
[04:55] <Quest-Master> if it ever loads, that is
[04:56] <hayden> i installed another stick of memory in my computer but it is saying i only have 192MB instead of 600+MB
[04:56] <JDahl> what language did the ubuntu devs use for the new automatic installer? Python?
[04:56] <trippeh> hayden: sure the motherboard support 512MB sticks? :)
[04:57] <tony> hayden did ur bios see the new memory?
[04:57] <Quest-Master> :\ Weird. Only gEdit is printing.
[04:57] <JDahl> The Update Manager, I mean
[04:57] <zyaga> Anyone know to get Dual Monitors on Ubuntu
[04:57] <Quest-Master> JDahl: Which automatic installer? Synaptic?
[04:57] <hayden> trippeh, my laptop has 2 slots, one that is easy to get to and one that is hard you have to take heaps of screws and stuff out to get to
[04:58] <hayden> and my laptop already came with the 512MB stick, and i had an extra 256MB stick i was gonna put in
[04:58] <zyaga> Anyone know how?
[04:58] <hayden> so i put the 512MB in the hard to get to slot, and the 256MB in the easy slot
[04:58] <hayden> but it is only reading the 256MB stick
[04:58] <JDahl> Quest-Master, no, System->Administration->Ubuntu Update Manager
[04:58] <azriel0184> hmmm.. damned screwy computer...
[04:59] <azriel0184> a full reboot fixed it...
[04:59] <hayden> i'm not sure if the bios saw it coz the bios screen doesn't stay up for long enough
[04:59] <geneo93> farruinn:  but i have 8 gigs left free space in home and none left in root maybe thats the problem but i did a apt-get clean efore i started a new round of updates
[05:00] <tony> hayden usually the bios will tell you it sees a new memory module
[05:00] <hayden> yea
[05:00] <farruinn> geneo93: aaah... if it says you don't have anymore free space then you probably don't
[05:00] <hayden> but it only stays up for like 2 seconds then tries to boot
[05:00] <hayden> anyway i will restart and see what it says
[05:00] <Quest-Master> JDahl: Weird. I don't see it.
[05:01] <tony> hayden hit f1 f2 or delete to get to bios and look
[05:01] <JDahl> Quest-Master, it's in my fresh Hoary install
[05:01] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[05:01] <zyaga> Anyone know how to get Dual Monitors on Ubuntu
[05:01] <Quest-Master> I am on Hoary as well
[05:02] <geneo93> well this shouldn't be farruinn i have 4.6 gigs of space for root alone
[05:02] <wuwei23> zyaga: warty or hoary?
[05:02] <zyaga> Warty
[05:04] <wuwei23> zyaga: have you checked out the wiki? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[05:04] <zyaga> Nope
[05:04] <tony> zyaga maybe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors/contents
[05:04] <wuwei23> zyaga: i'm not running dual monitors atm, so i can't help directly
[05:04] <wuwei23> tony: snap :)
[05:05] <tony> hope he caught the link before he left
[05:05] <JDahl> Quest-Master, the package is called update-manager, and to answer my own question: it's written in Python
[05:06] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[05:06] <geneo93> exit
[05:07] <wuwei23> tony: i think it was all he wanted
[05:07] <geneo93> opps
[05:07] <tony> wuwei cool i guess
[05:12] <rever> I put this in for the marillat repositories but it does not seem to be working. deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists unstable main
[05:12] <crimsun> rever: are you using warty or hoary?
[05:13] <scorpix> rever: change it to: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:13] <rever> crimsun, hoary
[05:14] <kapputu> where is everyone
[05:15] <GammaRay> kapputu: hiding
[05:15] <rever> scorpix, That seemed to do it but now I get this error. W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:15] <oz_> is there currently a problem with unraring in nautilus on hoary
[05:15] <kapputu> 2.6.10 breaks my wireless config
[05:16] <cafuego> Does the tooltip text show up for any of you if you include a '%' sign in a name for a button on the panel?
[05:16] <kapputu> also my eth0 is not getting configured properly
[05:16] <scorpix> rever: i get it too, but i can download upgrade from it without problems.
[05:16] <scorpix> rever: its from the mirror itself i think.
[05:17] <rever> scorpix, I am trying to load totem-xine thats why I asked let see if I can thanks
[05:20] <Absenth> does anyone know where gtk-gnutella installs when you use the .deb package?
[05:20] <sal002> How do I get a file in /etc/init.d to run on startup?
[05:21] <crimsun> sal002: man update-rc.d
[05:21] <GammaRay> Absenth: I would hope to /usr/bin/gtk-gnutella
[05:21] <crimsun> Absenth: are you using hoary?
[05:22] <GammaRay> what does it matter?
[05:22] <crimsun> because I uploaded a fixed version several hours ago
[05:23] <Absenth> Sorry, I'm on Warty.
[05:23] <sal002> thanks!
[05:23] <GammaRay> crimsun: oic
[05:23] <Absenth> no love on /usr/bin GammaRay
[05:24] <Absenth> I've got a gtk-gnutella directory under /usr/share, but nothing that can be executed.
[05:25] <GammaRay> Absenth: use dpkg -L pkg-name
[05:25] <SiRrUs> good evening people
[05:25] <crimsun> Absenth: warty/universe has <IP_ADDRESS>-0.1
[05:25] <crimsun> Absenth: the executable is /usr/bin/gtk-gnutella
[05:26] <Bandit> hello SiRrUs
[05:26] <Bandit> SiRrUs how is hoary treating you
[05:26] <membreya> hey SiRrUs :)
[05:27] <Absenth> Hmmm....
[05:27] <SiRrUs> treating me great thanks
[05:27] <Absenth> dpkg -L says it's not installed.
[05:27] <SiRrUs> membreya hey whats up??
[05:27] <bl4cks4ils> in unbuntu for ppc
[05:27] <membreya> nuffin nuffin..just takin a break from my nap..damn night shift :P
[05:27] <bl4cks4ils> how can i hook up my laptop screen to a monitor
[05:27] <SiRrUs> :) just got home myself
[05:28] <crimsun> Absenth: what $architecture?
[05:28] <SiRrUs> cant wait till this snow and cold leaves
[05:28] <Absenth> i386
[05:28] <membreya> i've seen snow once in my life SiRrUs :)
[05:28] <Absenth> I can't afford one of those new fangled x86-64 machines :)
[05:28] <bl4cks4ils> SiRrus: where from?
[05:28] <bl4cks4ils> i just got home today too
[05:28] <SiRrUs> ontario
[05:29] <membreya> Absenth: afford? they're cheap :)
[05:29] <crimsun> Absenth: please paste in #flood the output of: apt-cache policy gtk-gnutella
[05:30] <djtansey> is there any way to get the preview install kernel to create a loopback device?
[05:31] <Absenth> crimsun is that what you were looking for?
[05:31] <crimsun> Absenth: yes. You're running Hoary.
[05:31] <crimsun> Absenth: update && upgrade
[05:32] <crimsun> Absenth: I uploaded a fixed package about 8 hours ago :-)
[05:32] <Absenth> working on it, thanks
[05:32] <crimsun> np
[05:33] <Absenth> so when I did the update/upgrade yesterday is that when I moved from the Warty iso I installed to Hoary?
[05:34] <crimsun> Absenth: if you changed warty->hoary, yes
[05:34] <Absenth> assuming I finished with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade that is
[05:34] <crimsun> yep.
[05:34] <Absenth> I admit to being new to debian based linux.  Been using it for about a week.
[05:35] <Absenth> beats the snot out of the FC3 install I have at work.
[05:35] <crimsun> it is a nice distro :-)
[05:35] <error_29> hoary seems much more stable than warty.
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Absenth: no, as you still pointing to the warty sources. You can confirm by locking at your sources.lst in /etc/apt
[05:36] <Absenth> Burgundavia, what can I put in the sources.lst in order to get what's current?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Absenth: warty is current stable hoary is unstable
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Absenth: if you can live with things sometimes breaking, try out hoary
[05:37] <Absenth> does anyone acutally use "stable"  :)
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Absenth: yes, lots of people
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Absenth: simple change all refs of warty to hoary in your sources.lst
[05:37] <Absenth> as a network admin on a w2k network, I'm pretty used to things breaking,  I'm definatly willing to give hoary a shot...
[05:38] <Burgundavia> Absenth: and then do a dist-upgrade
[05:38] <laggerzero> is there a quick ntfs kernel patch out there?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: ?
[05:38] <laggerzero> i'm using hoary and it doesn't have ntfs compiled in the kernel
[05:38] <laggerzero> or so it seems
[05:38] <laggerzero> when i try to mount it i get an uknown file system error
[05:39] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: I just mounted an ntfs last night and it worked fine
[05:39] <laggerzero> i'll try again
[05:39] <Absenth> do I need to edit the "deb cdrom:...." line at the top of the sources.list?
[05:39] <Burgundavia> Absenth: not really
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> laggerzero, check the parition list
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> with "fdisk -l"
[05:39] <Burgundavia> that is for people without good internet
[05:39] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: you must run fdisk as sudo, otherwise it will fail silently
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> Burgundavia, thanks
[05:40] <laggerzero> heh, worked that time
[05:40] <Burgundavia> took me a while to figure that out
[05:40] <Absenth> here goes......
[05:40] <Burgundavia> if you just run it, no output will occur
[05:40] <laggerzero> now to add that ot mtab
[05:41] <error_29> Can someone clarify something about Samba for me -- I'm running hoary, I don't have Samba installed,
[05:41] <error_29> except for some "common" files
[05:41] <Burgundavia> error_29: you can connect to a smb machine, but not share anything out
[05:41] <crimsun> error_29: (so your Hoary machine can't act as a Windows file server)
[05:41] <error_29> yet, I have no problems reading and writing to my windows partitions
[05:42] <Burgundavia> error_29: unless you install samba itself
[05:42] <error_29> on another computer
[05:42] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:42] <blackstar> what packages do i need to install to use the the './ package.bin'
[05:42] <Absenth> the common files are so you can mount smb shares with fstab, as well as manually mount remote smb shares I believe....
[05:42] <Burgundavia> blackstar: what are you trying to do?
[05:42] <blackstar> for some reason i cant use the './' command
[05:42] <crimsun> blackstar: it needs to be executable
[05:42] <blackstar> i am trying to install java_netbeans.bin
[05:43] <blackstar> oic so i need to change the chmod rights
[05:43] <error_29> ok, noob question here crimsun-- what's the definition of "share anything out" -- i mean, I can transfer files to my other pc on my lan without Samba ...
[05:43] <Burgundavia> './' simply tells it run the executable in the current folder, without looking through your path, nothing for
[05:43] <Burgundavia> s/for/more
[05:43] <laggerzero> its been awhile since i've done this. where and how do i add the mount command for the ntfs partition?
[05:43] <laggerzero> can't remember the file
[05:43] <Burgundavia> error_29: create a share on your machine
[05:43] <blackstar> Burgundavia - thanks
[05:44] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: you can just mount with sudo mount /dev/blah /mountpoint -t ntfs
[05:44] <laggerzero> that just temp mounts it
[05:44] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: or you can add to fstab
[05:44] <laggerzero> thats it
[05:44] <error_29> sorry Burgundavia , I'm not being clear-- I'm saying, everything is already sharing!  I don't know what I would gain from Samba.
[05:44] <Absenth> error_29 with the common files, from linux you can access shares on a windows machine with full read/write.  You need samba in order to create a share on the linux machine that's avalible from winderz.
[05:44] <skreet> Okay I'm following the ATI driver install directions and when I do modprobe fglrx it says "Invalid Module Format"
[05:45] <Burgundavia> skreet: did you download the drivers or did you compile them yourself?
[05:45] <crimsun> skreet: known issue with current Hoary. Kernels are being recompiled.
[05:45] <kapputu> where does gkt-gnutella get installed?
[05:45] <skreet> crimsun, Good enough, thanks.
[05:45] <crimsun> kapputu: are you running Hoary?
[05:45] <laggerzero> this will take two lines
[05:45] <skreet> Any ETA on tht crimsun, or a fix to get me going?
[05:45] <kapputu> yes crimsun
[05:45] <laggerzero> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[05:46] <laggerzero> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro,auto         0       1
[05:46] <crimsun> Absenth: the floor is yours ;-)
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kapputu: synaptic will tell you if you right-click on a package a choose properties and then installed files
[05:46] <laggerzero> is that right?
[05:46] <kapputu> I used apt-get
[05:46] <kapputu> I prefer to use the cmd-line
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kapputu: by default, most executable go into /usr/bin
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kapputu: /usr/bin should be part of your path
[05:46] <kapputu> I know
[05:46] <kapputu> couldn't find it
[05:46] <Absenth> crimsun, I don't have it working yet, but if you're running hoary, Crimsun just uploaded a fixed version to the universe I believe.  It installs the binary to /usr/bin
[05:46] <error_29> ok Absenth -- I see now.
[05:46] <ratl3> yo
[05:46] <error_29> thanks
[05:46] <crimsun> ^^ kapputu
[05:47] <kapputu> ??
[05:47] <crimsun> kapputu: are you using Hoary?
[05:48] <kapputu> yes crimsun
[05:48] <crimsun> kapputu: update && upgrade
[05:48] <skreet> crimsun, Any idea when I could expect/check on new kernels, or a kernel that *does* work?
[05:48] <error_29> Would I need Samba to get ubuntu sharing with another linux installation on the network?
[05:48] <kapputu> skreet: 2.6.8 works fine
[05:49] <kapputu> I had the same problem as u
[05:49] <crimsun> skreet: kernels were building when zul when to sleep, so probably in 2-3 hours?
[05:49] <DarthFrog> error_29: NFS works
[05:49] <viper12> evening all.
[05:49] <skreet> kapputu, Okay I'll downgrade to 2.6.8 for now
[05:49] <Absenth> error_29 I'd use nfs for that, and avoid SMB alltogether for that.
[05:49] <hayden> i got me ram working
[05:49] <kapputu> error_29: I thin Nautilus takes care of that
[05:49] <viper12> lol........crimsun.....the very question i had.  lol
[05:49] <skreet> thanks crimsun + kapputu
[05:49] <Absenth> yeah, what he said :)
[05:49] <kapputu> error_29:  u just need to setup the shares - http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:51] <error_29> ok, thanks-- I'm actually amazed at how well ubuntu browses my windows network right out of the box.  and much faster than windows itself
[05:51] <Absenth> I think Insight must have updated my broadband.
[05:52] <kapputu> having trouble with ftp://nerim.net
[05:52] <Absenth> upgrade has been kicking along at 400kB/s
[05:54] <Absenth> so for those of you with x86-64, can you install i386 packages if there isn't a 64 package avalible?
[05:54] <kapputu> what application reads .chm files?
[05:54] <Hmmmm> Absenth, how good is the package availability for amd64 on ubuntu?
[05:54] <crimsun> Absenth: in a 32-bit chroot, yes
[05:55] <The-Ghost|afk> dos ubuntu use lilo?
[05:55] <Absenth> Hmmmm I don't have a amd64 yet, that's actually why I asked the question.
[05:55] <The-Ghost|afk> ?
[05:55] <The-Ghost|afk> dose
[05:56] <crimsun> The-Ghost|afk: grub
[05:56] <Absenth> The-Ghost|afk I think it's grub.
[05:56] <Burgundavia> The-Ghost|afk: no, uses grub
[05:56] <Burgundavia> lilo was dropped by most distros about 3/4 years ago
[05:56] <The-Ghost|afk> hmm
[05:56] <The-Ghost|afk> okay
[05:56] <kapputu> crimsun: having problems with the debian source
[05:56] <DarthFrog> lilo isn't even installed.
[05:56] <Absenth> ok, I have to ask, does x-chat have a name autocomplete?, and if so, how do I pull it off?
[05:56] <The-Ghost|afk> okay.
[05:56] <crimsun> kapputu: of?
[05:57] <error_29> use tab, Absenth
[05:57] <DarthFrog> Though lilo is apt-gettable.
[05:57] <Absenth> error_29, fantastic, thanks.
[05:57] <The-Ghost|afk> now i trayd 100000 posibol ways to remove the ext3 from my hdd to install windows for one last time agein
[05:57] <error_29> (doesn't work with all names for some reason)
[05:57] <tony> will amarok be  in repos later?
[05:57] <The-Ghost|afk> and stil i can't get it to instal
[05:57] <ggeecko> I am trying to apt-get limeire...is it apt-get install limewire
[05:57] <geneo93> well here i am in ubuntu
[05:58] <Absenth> I just hope cedega, and my nvidia drivers don't break after the hoary upgrade.
[05:58] <crimsun> tony: 1.2.1 is in Hoary
[05:58] <The-Ghost|afk> becouse i can't get hdd back to old partition.
[05:58] <tony> crimsun, ty
[05:58] <JDahl> I wish one of the Python devs would start packaging matplotlib...
[05:58] <crimsun> Absenth: they will. It's being repaired.
[05:58] <kapputu> crimsun: ftp://nerim.net/debian-marilliat
[05:58] <crimsun> JDahl: it's being processed. There are still a bundle of python packages to transition to 2.4
[05:59] <Absenth> crimsun, well.... this should be fun...
[05:59] <ggeecko> I am trying to apt-get limewire...is it apt-get install limewire
[05:59] <Hmmmm> when does the new version of ubuntu come out?
[05:59] <kapputu> yes
[05:59] <kapputu> I actually downloaded it from ubuntuguide.org ggeecko
[05:59] <crimsun> Hmmmm: April
[05:59] <geneo93> karsten:  i have 4.6 gig root partition and no office apps and i run out of disk space thats crazy
[05:59] <crimsun> kapputu: what sort of issues?
[05:59] <regeya> kubuntu is looking nice...have it installed on my box at home.  still rough around the edges but I expected that. :-)
[05:59] <The-Ghost|afk> any of u know of a prog that can partition my hdd back to fat32 or somthing.. that works becouse the system in ubuntu dosn't work
[05:59] <The-Ghost|afk> for this
[05:59] <ggeecko> kapputu: thx
[06:00] <SiRrUs> ggeecko take a look here  www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[06:00] <karsten> geneo93: For a current Linux install, I'd start at around 6 GB myself.  'df -h' will show a summary of free space in your partitions.