[12:34] <dragonkh> hello
[12:34] <dragonkh> kubunti doesnt let me partition my hdd - it won't write the changes -
[12:38] <hussam> anybody's got google talk working in gaim?
[12:44] <froggy25> how can i make an .iso file on here
[12:44] <froggy25> to burn onto a cd
[12:44] <froggy25> !info .iso
[12:46] <froggy25> hello
[12:46] <froggy25> is anyone home
[12:46] <froggy25> i need help
[01:02] <nickv111> Hmm
[01:02] <nickv111> I keep getting segmentation faults
[01:05] <nickv111> It fails when installing "initrd-utils"
[01:05] <nickv111> Or "initrd-tools"
[01:05] <nickv111> Or something similar
[01:16] <hydrogen> anyone here used moodin?
[01:17] <arentie> I need help configuring ndiswrapper and my wlan0
[01:18] <arentie> Is anyone here familiar with this error: http://pastebin.com/361083
[01:26] <jesusfish> how do I disable any sound modules from loading?
[01:39] <Lichte> how do I get win32codecs in breezy ??
[01:48] <fluxbox> anyone tried to compile kvirc yet?
[01:51] <froggy25> does anyone here use fceu
[01:51] <froggy25> to play nes roms
[02:08] <tshah> Hello?
[02:09] <tshah> Has anybody tried to Kubuntu Breezy yet?
[02:22] <Damone> hi
[02:22] <sgood1971> HI
[02:22] <Damone> i need help mountung a nstf partition
[02:22] <Damone> *mounting
[02:22] <sgood1971> Is it on your hd, or an external device like like a usb drive?
[02:23] <Damone> its the same hdd
[02:23] <Damone> i have dual os
[02:23] <Damone> kubuntu and winxp
[02:24] <sgood1971> first make a directory in /mnt
[02:24] <sgood1971> like hda1 or something
[02:24] <hussam> Damone: do you know what partition is your NTFS?
[02:24] <Damone> yes
[02:24] <sgood1971> then 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t auto /mnt/hda1' is what works for me.
[02:26] <hussam> Damone: if you want it to be mounted at boot, do: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows and add to /etc/fstab the line : /dev/hda1	/media/windows  ntfs	umask=0222	0	0
[02:26] <Damone> at the end of the file?
[02:27] <Damone> ...damm...
[02:27] <Damone> "Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed."
[02:27] <hussam> Damone: yep place it at the end of file , but also make another empty line after that
[02:27] <sgood1971> hussam. what does ntfsumask=022200 do?
[02:27] <Damone> i been getting that error latetly
[02:27] <Damone> how do i fix it?
[02:27] <hussam> sgood1971: read only
[02:28] <sgood1971> thanks
[02:28] <hussam> Damone: they sudo rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps
[02:28] <hussam> sorry
[02:29] <hussam> don't do that
[02:29] <hussam> Damone: do sudo rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/kate
[02:29] <Damone> ok
[02:30] <Damone> same problem
[02:31] <hussam> Damone: do this as well:  sudo rm ~/.kde/share/config/kate*
[02:31] <hussam> with the *
[02:31] <Damone> ok
[02:33] <Damone> still same problem
[02:33] <hussam> Damone: did you do sudo kate /etc/fstab ?
[02:35] <Damone> yes
[02:35] <hussam> will kate run when you do kate /etc/fstab ?
[02:36] <Damone> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[02:36] <hussam> try kwrite /etc/fstab
[02:37] <hussam> will that open?
[02:37] <Damone> yes
[02:37] <hussam> ok
[02:38] <hussam> add:  /dev/hda1 /media/windows  ntfs umask=0222       0      0
[02:38] <hussam> then an empty line after that and save
[02:39] <Damone> ok
[02:39] <hussam> sorry do /mnt/windows instead of /media/windows
[02:39] <hussam> and sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[02:40] <Damone> ok
[02:41] <hussam> did you save?
[02:41] <drasch> anyone know  a workaround in Breezy for the "media:/" not showing inserted devices?
[02:42] <hussam> drasch: is that still a bug?
[02:42] <hussam> Damone: after you save, do sudo mount -a
[02:42] <Damone> ok
[02:42] <Damone> just saved
[02:43] <hussam> Damone: now sudo mount -a
[02:43] <drasch> hussam: not working on either of my Breezy systems, one a fresh install, one an upgrade
[02:44] <hussam> drasch: i think this is it: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10666
[02:45] <Damone> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfsumask=0222'
[02:46] <hussam> Damone: there is a space between ntfs and umask=0222
[02:46] <Damone> do i have to space or tab?
[02:46] <hussam> just one space should do it.
[02:47] <drasch> hussam: hmm, i'm still having the prob.  kdebase 3.4.2-0ubuntu2,
[02:48] <hussam> drasch: yeah I hope the developers fix that by breezy final
[02:48] <Damone> mount: special device /mnt/hda1 does not exist
[02:49] <hussam> Damone: do sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1
[02:49] <Damone> ok
[02:50] <Damone> mount: /mnt/hda1 is not a block device
[02:51] <hussam> Damone: what did you add in /etc/fstab ?
[02:51] <snatch> close
[02:51] <drasch> hussam: thx for the help
[02:52] <drasch> looks like my bug may be a dup: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15027
[02:53] <Damone> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[02:53] <Damone>

[02:53] <Damone> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[02:53] <Damone> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />

[02:53] <Damone> /mnt/hda1	/media/windows	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0

[02:53] <Damone> sorry
[02:54] <hussam> drasch: this bug happened when they upgraded dbus and hal
[02:54] <drasch> Damone: looks like you may want to change that first field to "/dev/hda1" and make sure /media/windows exists
[02:54] <hussam> Damone: that's wrong. it should be /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222       0      0
[02:55] <hussam> Damone: dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0222       0      0
[02:56] <hussam> drasch: does it automount in /media/usbstick or do you manually mount it?
[02:57] <Damone> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
[02:57] <Damone> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is mounted on /media/windows
[02:57] <drasch> hussam: it automatically pops up a konq window with "media:/sda1" as the uri
[02:57] <drasch> hussam: but it's got an error inside the window, and the stick is then mounted as /media/usbdisk
[02:58] <drasch> never shows in media:/
[02:59] <hussam> drasch: we probably must ask Riddell about this. could be a KDE bug or something with hal/dbus
[02:59] <drasch> hussam: he's assigned the bug :)
[02:59] <hussam> Damone: what do you have now in /etc/fstab ?
[02:59] <drasch> hussam: but i suspect he's busy
[03:00] <Riddell> busy I am, but don't let me forget about it
[03:00] <hussam> drasch: yeah I guess so
[03:00] <drasch> Riddell: ya, i was just trying to figure out if it was something already known or not.  I don't know enough about all the pieces yet to tell you what's wrong.
[03:01] <Damone> "/dev/hda1         /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0"
[03:01] <hussam> Damone: does /mnt/windows exist?
[03:01] <Damone> yes
[03:01] <hussam> Damone: I think it will work when you reboot
[03:02] <Damone> ok il try
[03:02] <Riddell> drasch: I don't know what's doing the funky mounting stuff, and I don't know why kded isn't using hal any more
[03:03] <hussam> drasch: apart from this bug, is the machine on which you did dis-upgrade working fine? I want to do a dist-upgrade myself.
[03:03] <drasch> hussam: yes, it's working quite well
[03:04] <drasch> hussam: this is the only thing I've run into that has interrupted my normal usage
[03:04] <drasch> hussam: and it just means I can't be spoiled :)
[03:04] <hussam> drasch: this is my only machine so I was reluctant a bit.
[03:04] <mike23> greetings
[03:05] <mike23> I have my monitor set for 1600x1200 how do I make it larger so I can read it
[03:05] <drasch> hussam: i did both a fresh install, and a dist-upgrade from hoary.  both are working wonderfully.  i'd recommend stopping kde and kdm before dist-upgrading just for good measure.
[03:06] <hussam> drasch: I'll exit x and do a dist-upgrade.
[03:06] <drasch> i got into a wierd alternative universe trying to do work while the dist-uprade was proceeding :)
[03:07] <drasch> Qt windows popping up with GTK-like style to them.... amarok went wonky... etc.
[03:07] <hussam> drasch: did all packages install fine or do I need to --force-overwrite something?
[03:07] <mike23> got it right click and configure desktop
[03:07] <mike23> thanks
[03:07] <drasch> hussam: nope, nothing like that
[03:08] <cvt> i need .rar for a rar file
[03:08] <cvt> let me see...  apt-get install unrar?
[03:08] <hussam> drasch: ok I'm doing apt-get -d dist-upgrade now. after it downloads, I'll exit x and do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:09] <drasch> hussam: aptitude is your friend learn to love it
[03:09] <Lichte> is there a way to get xine, or noatune of any KDE player to play a .mp4 file ??  I have faad installed, but that didn't help
[03:09] <mike23> thnks again
[03:09] <drasch> Riddell: i was running kde 3.4.2 from here previously http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php and all was well with HAL and it's little friends
[03:10] <drasch> drasch: you can use it just like apt from the command-line, but it manages some tricky conditions that apt can sometimes trip over
[03:10] <drasch> oops, that's for you hussam
[03:10] <hussam> drasch: do you know if the nvidia 3d driver is working in breezy?
[03:10] <drasch> hussam: i don't, sorry
[03:10] <drasch> hussam: though I saw the packages get copied off the cd
[03:11] <foodcoman> Why would my install all of a sudden not mount my USB key with a mount: can't find /dev/sde1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[03:13] <drasch> foodcoman: anything changed on your system?
[03:14] <cvt> where do you find the apt get command for a .rar program?
[03:14] <drasch> cvt: you can "apt-cache search rar"
[03:14] <foodcoman> All I can think of is apt updates
[03:14] <cvt> k
[03:14] <Lichte> cvt: apt-cache -n search rar
[03:14] <drasch> foodcoman: any chance it's using a different sdX device?  check "dmesg"
[03:15] <cvt> ok
[03:15] <cvt> so it's just "rar"
[03:15] <cvt> it says
[03:15] <cvt> apt-get install rar
[03:16] <Lichte> cvt: that's it
[03:16] <cvt> i'm getting the hang of it
[03:16] <cvt> thx
[03:16] <Lichte> cvt: that will install the non-free rar program
[03:16] <cvt> i'll be helping out more in the future and requiring less help. awesome
[03:16] <cvt> ok
[03:16] <cvt> and
[03:16] <cvt> there's
[03:17] <cvt> unurar-nonfre
[03:17] <foodcoman> drasch: I think it is.
[03:17] <cvt> and
[03:17] <cvt> unrar
[03:17] <cvt> ok
[03:17] <Lichte> yeah, there's unrar
[03:17] <cvt> kool
[03:17] <Lichte> but, I think unrar won't work with rar >=3.0
[03:17] <Lichte> at least, it used to be that way, I'm not sure if that's still true
[03:18] <cvt> thx
[03:18] <Lichte> is there a way to get xine, or noatune or any KDE player to play a .mp4 file ??  I have faad installed, but that didn't help
[03:18] <cvt> well, i have an avenue to explore now to find a solution to extracting a rar file that uses a password.
[03:19] <Damone> how i can assing an static ip to my secondary lan card?
[03:19] <drasch> foodcoman: find it?
[03:20] <Lichte> man, why would go-opensource make their files available in mp4 if opensource can't play them ? ;)
[03:21] <hussam> Damone: you have both eth0 and eth1?
[03:21] <Lichte> I don't want to install gstreamer just to play an mp4
[03:21] <Damone> yes
[03:22] <hussam> Damone: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:22] <Damone> but i cant seem to activate eth0
[03:22] <hussam> Damone: eth0 is the static?
[03:22] <Damone> yes
[03:22] <Lichte> I'll try mplayer
[03:23] <Damone> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[03:23] <Damone> nothing more
[03:23] <hussam> Damone: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:23] <Damone> yes
[03:23] <Damone> im there
[03:23] <hussam> Damone: add iface eth0 inet static
[03:23] <Damone> ok
[03:23] <Damone> ready
[03:24] <hussam> on the other line, add:
[03:24] <hussam> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:24] <hussam> replace <IP_ADDRESS>  by the static ip
[03:25] <Damone> under iface...... ?
[03:25] <Damone> of next to?
[03:25] <hussam> yes
[03:25] <Damone> *or
[03:25] <Damone> ok
[03:25] <Damone> ready
[03:26] <hussam> I think there should be one space before address <IP>
[03:26] <Damone> ok
[03:26] <Damone> now save?
[03:26] <hussam> on the second line add:  netmask <IP_ADDRESS> # change that into your netmask
[03:27] <Damone> ready
[03:27] <Damone> i space it aldo
[03:27] <Damone> *also
[03:27] <hussam> yes
[03:27] <hussam> on the second line add:  network <IP_ADDRESS> # change that into <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever
[03:27] <hussam> sorry third line
[03:28] <Damone> what is that line for?
[03:28] <Damone> gateway?
[03:28] <drasch> hussam: seems like this conversation might benefit from a paste-bot
[03:29] <hussam> ok one sec
[03:29] <hussam> Damone: chech this http://pastebin.com/361159
[03:31] <Damone> well... i get inet from rth1
[03:31] <Damone> eth1*
[03:31] <Damone> and i have eth0 connected to a router
[03:31] <Damone> so i can share inet
[03:31] <Damone> so im not sure what to put in gateway
[03:32] <Damone> or netwrok
[03:32] <hussam> Damone: can I send you a private message?
[03:32] <Damone> tes
[03:32] <Damone> yes
[03:34] <kailer> can someone hel me with installing Divx?
[03:35] <kailer> help
[03:38] <douglas> is the new breezy preview buggy?
[03:39] <drasch> douglas: it's generally very solid
[03:39] <drasch> douglas: but, it's at your own risk :)
[03:40] <jsubl2> the java plugin crashes firefox for me
[03:40] <jsubl2> crashes moz and konq too
[03:41] <drasch> jsubl2: works fine for me.  what version of java?
[03:41] <jsubl2> the one through apt 1.4.2
[03:41] <jsubl2> drasch: which version are u using
[03:41] <douglas> cool, I'm going to download the live disc and try some things out.
[03:42] <jsubl2> drasch: try http://popcap.com/  it is a java game site
[03:42] <douglas> Is there a way that if this is decently stable for my to add the apt sources to my sources.list to just upgrade?
[03:43] <drasch> jsubl2: i'm running sun-j2re1.5 version 1.5.0+update02
[03:43] <drasch> i installed using java-package a while ago
[03:43] <jsubl2> douglas: edit /etc/apt/sources.list  change hoary to breezy.  but there is no backports
[03:44] <jsubl2> drasch: i will give that a try.. have not used java-package before
[03:44] <jsubl2> douglas: if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[03:44] <drasch> jsubl2: it's pretty simple, download the package from sun, run java-package on it, and then use dpkg to install it
[03:45] <Angel-SL> hi
[03:45] <drasch> douglas: that's what I did on this machine from Hoary.  same results as the clean install i did
[03:45] <Angel-SL> whats the default root password?
[03:45] <jsubl2> ok.. will give it a shot.
[03:45] <drasch> Angel-SL: it's disabled by default, use "sudo" and your user password
[03:45] <cvt> is there a Jesus of pw rar files in here?
[03:46] <cvt> i need to be saved.
[03:46] <cvt> i dl'ed rar
[03:46] <cvt> installed it
[03:46] <jsubl2> brb
[03:46] <cvt> but i can't open my rar archive that requires a pw.
[03:46] <hussam> cvt: use rar -x files.rar
[03:46] <Angel-SL> drasch: well how do i enable it then
[03:46] <cvt> ok but it requires a pw
[03:46] <cvt> i will try it
[03:47] <hussam> cvt: I think it prompts for password
[03:47] <Angel-SL> drasch: the root
[03:47] <cvt> it didn't.  that's what's scary
[03:47] <Angel-SL> drasch: how do i enable it
[03:47] <kailer> can anyone help me with installing Divx codec?
[03:48] <drasch> Angel-SL: you can set the password: sudo passwd root
[03:48] <hussam> cvt: so it didn't extract the files?
[03:48] <cvt> no just the folder
[03:48] <cvt> i have the password
[03:48] <cvt> but i can't get to the prompt
[03:48] <cvt> let me try your command
[03:48] <drasch> cvt: try installing the "unrar-nonfree" package instead
[03:48] <cvt> yeah
[03:48] <cvt> i will too
[03:49] <kailer> i thought i installed it but Kaffeine sez its not there
[03:50] <douglas> drasch: So it's basically the same as reinstalling and I won't have to use the cd?
[03:50] <douglas> drasch: Because last time I changed to breezy my machine wouldn't boot :(
[03:50] <douglas> drasch: well xorg wouldn't start anyway.
[03:51] <drasch> douglas: my xorg worked without any changes
[03:52] <cvt> hussam, so how do i open it with rar again?  [i was opening them with Ark and Archive Manager]
[03:52] <cvt> rar -x files.rar?
[03:52] <hussam> yep
[03:52] <cvt> is that in the root terminal?
[03:52] <hussam> in terminal
[03:53] <cvt> files = "actual file name?]
[03:53] <cvt> "
[03:53] <hussam> yep
[03:53] <cvt> k
[03:54] <cvt> hussam, it gave a list of commands
[03:54] <douglas> drasch: So right now you're running breezy without problems?
[03:54] <kailer> i'm bak
[03:55] <kailer> can anyone help me with my dvix problem?
[03:55] <douglas> drasch: I'm sorry, I just want to make sure, I want to still have a running system.
[03:55] <drasch> douglas: i'm running it with minor problems
[03:55] <drasch> douglas: then wait for the official release
[03:55] <hussam> cvt: let me try it again myself, one sec
[03:55] <douglas> drasch: Thanks.
[03:55] <cvt> Usage:     rar <command> -<switch 1> -<switch N> <archive> <files...>
[03:55] <cvt><EMAIL_ADDRESS><path_to_extract\>
[03:55] <douglas> drasch: Did they add a slash screen for booting?
[03:55] <cvt> and "e" is to extract
[03:57] <drasch> douglas: splash, yes
[03:57] <hussam> cvt: then it's rar e file.rar
[03:57] <cvt> ok
[03:57] <douglas> drasch: I think I'll try the upgrade :)
[03:57] <douglas> drasch: thanks for your help.
[03:58] <cvt> uh oh, i says there are no files to extract but there are 4gB worth of files to extract.
[03:58] <cvt> let me double check that it's legit.
[03:59] <hussam> both rar x file.rar and rar e file.rar worked for me.
[03:59] <cvt> ok
[03:59] <cvt> but these require a pw
[03:59] <cvt> i have the password
[03:59] <cvt> password[s]
[04:00] <cvt> but it should've prompted me?
[04:01] <drasch> cvt: you tried unrar-nonfree yet?
[04:01] <cvt> no, thx for reminding me...
[04:02] <hussam> it should have prompted but I don't have any password protected archives
[04:03] <cvt> same result with unrarr
[04:04] <cvt> unrar
[04:04] <cvt> unrar -nonfree
[04:05] <drasch> cvt: nope.  "apt-get install unrar-nonfree"
[04:05] <cvt> i did that and it did install it
[04:06] <cvt> maybe i put the password after the file name
[04:06] <drasch> cvt: you're on your own then.   try "man unrar" and see if you can drum any information up ;)
[04:06] <cvt> ok
[04:07] <cvt>   unrar  <command> [-<switch 1> -<switch N>]  archive [files...]  [path...]
[04:09] <cvt>        -p<password>
[04:09] <cvt>               Set password.
[04:09] <cvt>        -p-    Do not query password.
[04:09] <cvt> mean anything to you?
[04:10] <cvt> ok np
[04:10] <cvt> i have plenty to do still.
[04:11] <jsubl2> well java 1.5 fixed the only problem i have found with the latest kubuntu preview release
[04:11] <laszlok> i just intalled breezy, and didnt properly specify screen resolution when xserver was being intalled. Now KDE display manager won't do above 1024x768
[04:11] <jsubl2> thanks drasch
[04:13] <jsubl2> laszlok https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=resolution&titlesearch=Titles
[04:14] <jsubl2> oo too late
[04:16] <Damone> anyone can help me with internet sharing?
[04:18] <jsubl2> Damone: i would recommend looking for a howto on http://tldp.org
[04:19] <jsubl2> Damone: the ubuntu wiki is impressing me tonight.  check out -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/hardware/InternetConectionSharing?highlight=%28sharing%29%7C%28internet%29
[04:24] <hussam> ok bye guys
[04:28] <Damone> anyone uses guidedog?
[04:39] <cvt> Damone, i don't yet.
[04:39] <cvt> I'm just getting started.
[04:40] <cvt> Next week i'll be setting up a small buisness on ubuntu or kubuntu and I've only successfully been using it for like 128 hours.
[04:40] <cvt> spread out over 5 monhts
[04:40] <cvt> months
[04:40] <cvt> i would install it and play around on it and go back to windoz
[04:41] <cvt> now i'm soley kubuntu with success beyond my wildest dreams
[04:41] <cvt> fyi
[04:48] <Damone> damn....
[04:48] <Damone> can anyone hel me with internet sharing
[04:48] <Damone> im confused
[04:48] <cvt> sure
[04:48] <cvt> what protocol?
[04:48] <cvt> ftp
[04:49] <cvt> sftp
[04:49] <cvt> torrent
[04:49] <cvt> shareaza
[04:49] <Damone> everything
[04:49] <cvt> ok
[04:49] <Damone> jusst like windows
[04:49] <cvt> are you a cop?
[04:49] <cvt> jk
[04:49] <cvt> haha
[04:49] <cvt> jk
[04:49] <cvt> okay,,,   let's start  with bittorrent
[04:49] <cvt> i'll give you some links to bookmark
[04:50] <cvt> what do you want to share?
[04:50] <cvt> or do you just want to get at this point?
[04:50] <Damone> dood, im trying to use this pc as a internet gateway
[04:50] <cvt> wow
[04:50] <cvt> that is pretty broad to me....
[04:50] <Damone> im not searching for file sharing software
[04:50] <cvt> oh
[04:50] <cvt> ok
[04:50] <cvt> sftp
[04:51] <cvt> i'll get a link...
[04:51] <Damone> im trying to share mi internet connection
[04:51] <Damone> my*
[04:51] <cvt> oh
[04:51] <Damone> in a lan
[04:51] <cvt> i only know how you can share files with someone
[04:51] <cvt> sorry
[04:51] <Damone> you know.. with a router and 2 lan cards
[04:51] <cvt> i'd like to know what you want to know as well
[04:51] <Damone> k
[04:52] <jsubl2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/hardware/InternetConectionSharing?highlight=%28sharing%29%7C%28internet%29
[04:53] <Damone> jsubl2: yeah but im a little confused with that wiki
[04:53] <Damone> jsubl2: is not very "noob" friendly
[04:57] <cvt> Damone, a wireless access point would be good
[04:57] <Damone> ....i dont have the money
[04:58] <cvt> they're cheap
[04:59] <cvt> TikiGawd they're cheap
[04:59] <cvt> TikiGawd less than $100
[04:59] <cvt> TikiGawd much less
[05:24] <jesusfish> how does one prevent all sound modules from loading automatically?
[05:37] <Octane> how can i upgrade my current kubuntu to kubuntu breezy preview?
[05:40] <seth_k> Octane, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:40] <seth_k> and replace all "hoary" with "breezy"
[05:40] <seth_k> and remove the special lines, like KDE 3.4.2 upgrade, KOffice upgrade
[05:40] <Octane> seth_k: think its safe?
[05:40] <seth_k> then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[05:40] <Octane> dist-upgrade, on?
[05:40] <Octane> no*
[05:40] <seth_k> Octane, I run Kubuntu Breezy on both my computers as primary OS
[05:40] <Octane> nice
[05:40] <seth_k> but then again, I know how to fix it :P
[05:41] <Octane> fix what? :)
[05:41] <seth_k> the breaks :D
[05:41] <seth_k> umm, instead of doing it from the command line, you might want to use Synaptic just to make sure you don't uninstall half your system. And make sure you have kubuntu-desktop already installed
[05:41] <Octane> i use aptitude :)
[05:42] <Octane> seth_k: i haev kubuntu-desktop installed with some things taken out
[05:42] <Octane> like amarok
[05:42] <Octane> since i use a version which i compiled
[05:42] <seth_k> Octane, fair enough. As long as the version number < Breezy's (but it's gonna put things back in like AmaroK)
[05:43] <Octane> i think its = in amarok's case
[05:44] <seth_k> ?
[05:44] <Octane> since its version 1.3
[05:44] <Octane> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yaaaaaaa
[05:45] <Octane> 876 packages upgraded, 303 newly installed, 51 to remove and 187 not upgraded.
[05:45] <Octane> Need to get 662MB of archives. After unpacking 420MB will be used.
[05:45] <Octane> i should download the CD and do it that way :)
[05:45] <seth_k> hahah
[05:45] <seth_k> that's awesome
[05:45] <Octane> i think i should perhaps wait till next weekend :)
[05:46] <seth_k> yeah, might as well ;)
[05:46] <Octane> in case something breaks
[05:51] <kailer> anyone alive?
[05:51] <TimM> yup
[05:51] <kailer> whoa life
[05:52] <kailer> i need help getting Kaffeine not to suck ass
[05:52] <TimM> but probably not helpful life.
[05:52] <kailer> damn iot
[05:52] <kailer> it*
[05:53] <TimM> sorry
[05:53] <kailer> lol its ok
[05:53] <kailer> i'm the typical linux n00b ^^
[05:53] <TimM> I'd at least give it a shot, but I'm not at my computer right now.
[05:53] <TimM> So I'm lookin' at a wondows screen.
[05:53] <kailer> kaffeine refuses to  see the codecs i've placed in it
[05:53] <kailer> lol
[05:54] <kailer> at least i think i have codecs in m system
[05:54] <kailer> used a win32 codec binary pak that claimed to install them
[05:55] <TimM> I'll have to try that when I get back to my computer
[05:55] <TimM> Did you get that with apt?
[05:56] <kailer> yeah
[05:57] <kailer> kafeine and the pak
[05:57] <TimM> I've been having problems with firefox closing for no reason in Kubuntu.
[05:57] <narg> kailer: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:57] <narg> it will tell you if they are installed
[05:58] <narg> if not, it will install em :p
[05:58] <TimM> Dunno if I'll bother digging into it or just go back to Ubuntu
[05:58] <TimM> I like 'em both
[05:58] <kailer> yeah there installed
[05:58] <narg> TImM: I have that problem too at times, it varies with firefox version though
[05:58] <narg> TimM: when I get pissed, I just use konq :p
[05:59] <kailer> kaffeine also sez its missing a part
[05:59] <narg> which part?
[05:59] <TimM> I haven't noticed that problem with Ubuntu.
[05:59] <kailer> i was goign to reinstall it but found out i need to remove it
[05:59] <kailer> it doesn't say
[05:59] <narg> whats the error msg?
[06:00] <kailer> Part not found. Please check your installation!
[06:00] <narg> wow... thats one of the worst error messages I've ever seen
[06:00] <narg> Never gotten that one before.
[06:00] <kailer> o_o
[06:00] <narg> it tells you ...nothing
[06:00] <kailer> yep
[06:00] <narg> hrm.
[06:01] <troy> hrmm, the last month I haven't been able to install *ubuntu but! today I figured out my problem.  I had a bad IDE cable to my cdrom. Now it seems to install perfectly on amd64 :)
[06:01] <narg> Open up synaptic or whatever, and search for kaffiene, and make sure everything that look related is installed.
[06:01] <narg> troy: ;)
[06:02] <troy> it was driving me crazy... the installer kept giving md5sum errors
[06:02] <kailer> heres a lesson for all of you
[06:02] <troy> so I'd manually check the md5sums, and they would be different after every reboot...
[06:02] <kailer> never rule out PSU for any sort of problem
[06:02] <narg> kailer: heh
[06:03] <narg> yup
[06:03] <troy> yeah, that screws with one of my burners here
[06:03] <troy> PSU will allow me to burn when the computer is just turned on, and then later I get IO errors until I reboot
[06:03] <kailer> it distrupted my graphics card from sending video and video alone evrything else worked
[06:03] <narg> so I was in a math test one day, and my pencil broke, so Im like, damn that PSU!
[06:03] <narg> :p
[06:03] <troy> hahaha
[06:04] <troy> "Pencil Supplied by University" :P
[06:05] <narg> mwhah
[06:05] <kailer> yeah everything is installed correctly
[06:05] <kailer> oh and it wont work on totem too for the same reason
[06:06] <kailer> but i heard thats differnt
[06:06] <narg> does mplayer/vlc work?
[06:06] <narg> aka, is it a system wide wierdness?
[06:06] <kailer> hold on
[06:06] <TimM> kailer:  I read where someone said to rm $HOME/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc to fix the problem.  They were using an RPM based system.
[06:07] <troy> is there fglrx for breezy yet?
[06:07] <narg> I've found as a last resort this script can work well:
[06:07] <narg> cp -R .kde kde.bak; rm -rf .kde
[06:07] <orgs2005> hello
[06:07] <narg> ;)
[06:07] <orgs2005> im speek spanish
[06:08] <orgs2005> who speek spanish
[06:08] <troy> orgs2005: #kubuntu-es
[06:08] <orgs2005> ok, tanks
[06:08] <orgs2005> in this server?
[06:08] <narg> yes
[06:09] <troy> yes - might not be very many people there
[06:09] <narg>  /join #kubuntu-es
[06:09] <narg> 6 about 30 seconds about
[06:09] <orgs2005> ok
[06:09] <narg> ago*
[06:09] <troy> or you can try to manage in English here - we don't mind a bit :)
[06:10] <orgs2005> join #kubuntu-es
[06:10] <narg> you need a /
[06:10] <troy> put a slash in front
[06:10] <orgs2005> i have client gaim
[06:10] <kailer> hmm
[06:10] <troy> should still work, hrmm
[06:11] <orgs2005> ok
[06:11] <narg> I dislike irc'ing with IM clients
[06:11] <narg> its not worth the effort in general
[06:11] <troy> yeah, kopete+irc = doom
[06:11] <narg> I just use konversation
[06:11] <narg> works well for me :)
[06:12] <troy> I'm in freebsd on this machine, which has ksirc (which is usually fine)
[06:12] <narg> does kde@freebsd work well?
[06:12] <narg> I've never tried it on a non-linux platform
[06:13] <troy> well enough - you'll have to settle without certain binary-only linuxisms such as the ATI graphics drivers
[06:13] <troy> but most things work, even linux binaries in most cases (flash, opera, etc)
[06:13] <narg> freebsd is binary compatible, no?
[06:13] <troy> no
[06:14] <troy> source compatible in most cases (all that's needed is a compile)
[06:14] <narg> thought it was. How do you run linux binaries then?
[06:14] <troy> or can run linux binaries using a linux-compatibility layer
[06:14] <narg> ah
[06:14] <narg> thats probably what I heard and mangled in my mind :)
[06:14] <troy> they have their own libc, for instance, which behaves in a slightly different manner than glibc
[06:14] <troy> etc.
[06:17] <troy> I like freebsd for my server stuff, so I use it there
[06:17] <troy> linux supports more hardware earlier in the cycle, so I use it on my desktops
[06:17] <narg> understandably you like freebsd on the server
[06:18] <narg> its got a sweet tcp/ip stack
[06:18] <narg> runs my router
[06:19] <troy> used to run mine too, until the traffic got too high - got some dedicated network hw now for that
[06:19] <narg> well, Im bushed
[06:19] <narg> time to hit the sack
[06:19] <narg> later :)
[06:19] <troy> for a long time I had it set up as a bridging firewall :)
[06:19] <troy> cheers
[06:19] <narg> got to get up at 6 tomorrow for a zero hour class
[06:19] <narg> *mutters*
[06:21] <kailer> aha
[06:21] <kailer> audio works
[06:21] <kailer> video doesn't
[06:22] <kailer>  allo?
[06:23] <kailer> god damn it not again
[06:25] <troy> ?
[06:25] <kailer> oh you missed most of my problems didn't you
[06:25] <troy> oui
[06:25] <kailer> problem with Kafeine player, codecs and i'm a 1st time linux user
[06:26] <kailer> vlc plays the audio but not the video so i narrowed it down to  video problems
[06:29] <alexandros> can someone please help me. I am unable to get sound under Divx in most players but if played in Totem the sound is choppy and distorted.
[06:30] <kailer> wish i could
[06:31] <meng> go get a creative SB Live card?
[06:31] <_luis> how do you change your name
[06:33] <_luis> can someone explain how to get cups running. I keep getting cups server not running
[07:31] <lwells> Hi everyone
[07:32] <lwells> I need to find where public_html directory is, i have already done a search and no results
[07:32] <lwells> i have apache2 and php installed on my system already
[07:34] <douglas> I'm having trouble doing a dist-upgrade
[07:34] <douglas> It keeps saying I have unmet dependencies and says I need to run apt-get -f install.
[07:34] <crimsun> use aptitude instead of apt-get
[07:34] <douglas> So I did and then it says Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevelop3-data_4%3a3.2.2-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[07:34] <douglas> ?
[07:35] <crimsun> you need to scroll up for the actual error
[07:35] <douglas> Then when I try to remove kdevelop, it says you have unmet dependencies?
[07:35] <crimsun> it's probably a conflicting file
[07:35] <douglas> ok...
[07:36] <douglas> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevelop3-data_4%3a3.2.2-0ubuntu2_all.deb (--unpack):
[07:36] <douglas>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/applications/kde/kdevdesigner.desktop', which is also in package kdevelop3
[07:36] <crimsun> yep
[07:36] <douglas> how does one fix this, delete kdevdesigner.desktop?
[07:36] <crimsun> looks like you need to remove one of those packages temporarily to allow the dist-upgrade to continue
[07:36] <douglas> how do I do that, I tried apt-get remove kdevelop3 and it says I need to do the apt-get -f install
[07:37] <douglas> which brings me back to where I started.
[07:37] <crimsun> did you try removing kdevelop3-data?
[07:37] <douglas> not yet.
[07:37] <douglas> yep, same thing
[07:38] <douglas> hrm...
[07:38] <crimsun> then dpkg -P kdevelop3-data
[07:39] <crimsun> you'll probably need to remove anything that depends on it, too
[07:39] <douglas> hrm... that didn't work, dependency problems...
[07:39] <douglas> perhaps I should try just kdevelop
[07:39] <douglas> nope.
[07:41] <douglas> I was able to do dpkg -P kdevelop3-dev
[07:43] <crimsun> not kdevelop but kdevelop3
[07:43] <crimsun> perhaps you need to remove both kdevelop3-data and kdevelop3
[07:43] <douglas> yea, I nkow
[07:43] <douglas> but I tried just kdevelop3-data too, no luck
[07:44] <crimsun> erm, something's really wrong then. You should be able to manually remove it.
[07:44] <crimsun> you may need --force-depends or whatnot, but dpkg should always work.
[07:44] <douglas> hurray I did both at the same time and it worked I think.
[07:44] <douglas> yay
[07:45] <douglas> hurray dist-upgrade CONTINUES!!!!!
[07:45] <douglas> Thanks a million
[07:45] <lwells> i have a question about apache
[07:46] <lwells> when you install it, does it put a public_html directory on your system?
[07:46] <lwells> you need to change the config file huh
[07:54] <hussam> I want to dist-upgrade to breezy. does anyone know if the Nvidia kernel module for 3d acceleration is working in breezy?
[07:56] <crimsun> it works fine, but fglrx doesn't
[07:56] <hussam> what's fglrx?
[07:57] <hussam> is that ATI driver or something?
[07:57] <crimsun> the ati driver
[07:57] <hussam> oh ok
[07:59] <hussam> what about the kernel? Is it stable? I don't want to get a kernel panic since this is my only computer.
[07:59] <crimsun> I use breezy on my laptop just fine
[08:01] <hussam> I've already done a apt-get -d dist-upgrade do downlaod the files.
[08:03] <hussam> Between now and the final release, could there be a patch checked in that might brake anything, or will anly safe patches be checked in?
[08:04] <nalioth> hussam: yes, you can break with any upate
[08:04] <nalioth> hussam: but the updates come down 24/7
[08:05] <hussam> then I should probably wait if there is a chance i might be stuck into a non-bootable system
[08:09] <cvt> what a fast way to make a copy of an email?  i'm dumb
[08:10] <cvt> gmail
[08:13] <PaloDeQueso> I just did a dist-upgrade to breezy to see some of the prerelease changes and I noticed, now my nvidia kernel module doesn't load, anyone else experience this?
[08:13] <cvt> no it
[08:13] <cvt> no t
[08:13] <cvt> not i
[08:15] <PaloDeQueso> hrm... it also says failed to load module keyboard, maybe I just need to re-run xorg config
[08:17] <PaloDeQueso> What package corresponds to the keyboard kernel module btw?
[08:20] <PaloDeQueso> Does anyone know how to load the keyboard kernel module?
[08:21] <PaloDeQueso> also, I can't run xorgconfig?
[08:23] <PaloDeQueso> ok, I think it's just my keyboard module isn't loading?
[08:23] <roconnor> Hi, I could use a little help.
[08:24] <roconnor> I upgraded kde to ubuntu8.1, and now kwin doesn't start up when I log in.
[08:24] <roconnor> :-(
[08:29] <roconnor> heh, maybe it's too early in the morning; I'll try again later ;-)
[08:34] <nalioth> roconnor: try #kde
[08:34] <roconnor> okay
[09:34] <ek-> hey all.
[09:35] <ek-> im having problems using connecting to aa wireless network with KWiFiManager - it detects my home wireless network after i click "scan for networks" , but then when i click 'ok' it does nothing.
[09:39] <ek-> anyone have any idea?
[09:44] <Tm_T> hum
[09:56] <mornfall> bubbly
[09:56] <Tm_T> fluff
[10:57] <spiral> hi
[10:58] <aftertaf> morning... ;)
[11:02] <spiral> hello... I would like to know if for example I install breezy now, the transition to final breezy via apt/aptitude should be as efficient as with a fresh breezy install when it will come final
[11:04] <aftertaf> unless you need a certain feature of breezy, i'd recommend waiting for the final release.....
[11:05] <aftertaf> but, it will be the same packages you'll install, now or later, to go 'breezy'
[11:05] <spiral> in fact, my laptop isn't really nicely handled by hoary, & I would have like to know wether it works better with breezy
[11:06] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:06] <aftertaf> you can try the live CD, without needing to install...
[11:06] <spiral> yeah, I'm already downloading it ;-)
[11:06] <aftertaf> up to you, it is risky but it could work no probs straight up ;)
[11:06] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:07] <spiral> in fact, I've allready installed breezy on an other computer since almost one week, without any problem for the moment
[11:07] <nalioth> spiral: i'd wait until closer to final release
[11:08] <aftertaf> nalioth:  PPC?
[11:08] <nalioth> aftertaf: yes i only own PPC
[11:08] <spiral> nalioth: I didn't run into them, so
[11:08] <spiral> nalioth: I tried on x86...
[11:08] <nalioth> spiral: ultimately it is your decision
[11:09] <spiral> yeah, I know
[11:11] <spiral> ;-)
[11:11] <nalioth> spiral: well, ppc isnt supported as quickly as x86
[11:12] <nalioth> i had a few alligators to kill
[11:12] <spiral> nalioth: yeah, I suppose... I'm still willing to buy an ibook, & I don't know if I'll do it with ppc or x86
[11:15] <nalioth> spiral: they both will function admirably. and 'waiting on the next big thing'= never gettin it done
[11:16] <nikkia> i'm not sure i see the point of waiting for an x86 ibook/powerbook if you're only going to run linux on it anyway
[11:18] <nikkia> and even if you occasionally want to run OSX, it'll probably run under MOL anyway once its ported to x86, but i wouldn't base a buying decision on that yet :)
[11:29] <spiral> nikkia: maybe I should also like to run osX natively, in order to see what it really provides
[11:30] <nikkia> spiral, perhaps, but unless you plan on doing it a lot, i don't see much reason to pay the apple tax :)
[11:30] <spiral> apple tax ?
[11:31] <nikkia> spiral, the exhorbitant prices apple (will) charge above similar spec hardware
[11:31] <spiral> In fact, I don't know, I really like the aqua look & feel
[11:31] <spiral> nikkia: oh, yeah, I see
[11:31] <nikkia> spiral, i do too, but i think moving to x86 will hurt them there
[11:31] <spiral> yeah, I fear it too
[11:31] <nikkia> spiral, when the hw was 'different', you could justify the extra prices by saying 'well, its PPC'
[11:32] <spiral> ;-)
[11:32] <nikkia> when you can compare directly between a 399 pentium-M laptop from 'no name' and a apple pentium-m laptop for 999, its not going to be so good for apple
[11:32] <spiral> sure
[11:32] <nikkia> heck, our local supermarket was selling pentium-m laptops for 199 last week
[11:33] <spiral> indeed, I think I would use mac os, at least for things like : showing a presentation, watching a movie with a tv output & things like this
[11:33] <spiral> nikkia: amazing, they aren't so cheap in France
[11:33] <nikkia> spiral, the dirty secret about apple was always the fact that the PPCs they got, cost them less than the (roughly) equivalent x86 costs to OEMs, too
[11:34] <nikkia> so there's no way that switching to x86 is going to pull their prices in line with the competition
[11:34] <nalioth> nikkia: morning
[11:34] <nikkia> morning nalioth
[11:34] <spiral> nikkia: yeah, I read this a few days ago :-/
[11:34] <nalioth> nikkia: apple hardware lasts longer then intel hardware
[11:34] <nikkia> nalioth: based on what?
[11:35] <nikkia> nalioth: my G4 and iMacs certainly didn't
[11:35] <nalioth> nikkia: really?
[11:35] <nikkia> if you mean 'resale value', then there's no way that's going to hold true with x86 macs
[11:35] <nalioth> nikkia: i have a G3 ibook almost 4 years old and it still works as it did when new (scratches notwithstanding)
[11:35] <nikkia> nalioth: G4 died 1 day after warrenty expired, i had two iMacs that both suffered from the orange light of death, and were 'repaired' by apple (by repaired, i mean they did f' all and i ended up throwing them in the trash)
[11:36] <nalioth> nikkia: your experience is the exception in my experience
[11:37] <nikkia> actually, thats not true, they didn't do 'f' all' they DID kindly remove all the screws and put them in a little plastic bag, before sending back the imacs rattling and shaking because all the parts were loose
[11:37] <nikkia> i also had a 'reconditioned' G3 that wouldn't stay running for more than 8 hours without locking up
[11:38] <nalioth> nikkia: i'm sorry to hear that. i've had nothing but good service out of my macs
[11:38] <nikkia> so... don't tell me 'apple's support is the difference' because the only difference is that its 'far worse' :)
[11:38] <nalioth> the phone support are a bunch of idiots, but i can deal with that
[11:38] <nikkia> nalioth: i lived with their terrible service, because PPC was worth it
[11:38] <nikkia> but now? feh
[11:39] <nalioth> nikkia: so you are moving to IBM big iron for your PPC use?
[11:39] <nikkia> nalioth: if IBM ever bring their prices down, sure, i'd buy an IBM PPC system
[11:39] <nikkia> nalioth: IBM's PPC prices are even more outrageous than apple's tho
[11:40] <nikkia> i did look at a POWER4 workstation once, it worked out as something like $7999 for a base model
[11:40] <nalioth> nikkia: ebay
[11:58] <aries> hello everyone
[12:00] <aries> can i kubuntu hook debian repository ?
[12:00] <aries> if can, which one will be compatible ... debian stable,testing or unstable ?
[12:10] <nalioth> aries: it isnt a good idea to use debian repos at all
[12:13] <aries> ic
[12:13] <nalioth> aries: debian pkgs can break ubuntu
[12:25] <_admin> hello
[01:14] <termitor> hello
[01:16] <termitor> Please , who work on kde hoary ? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7971 quote "The bug is fixed both in the development branch and in backported packages for ... the most recent stable release.  What more are you asking?"  Please correct it in hoary branch
[01:28] <Riddell> termitor: grab the 3.4.2 packages
[01:37] <termitor> Riddell, haha, is not good tink !
[01:41] <DocTomoe> termintor ... hoary is stable ... you really should use the backport packages for KDE
[01:42] <sml> what is the name of the kde tool to set-up network interfaces - WLAN and ETH etc?
[01:43] <DocTomoe> sml: I am not aware of a tool like that in official KDE
[01:43] <termitor> DocTomoe, hum , is not in official backport !
[01:43] <Riddell> sml: knetworkconf, in kcontrol
[01:44] <sml> Riddell - cool thanks.
[01:44] <DocTomoe> termitor ... screw the "official" backport. Use working packages ;)
[01:44] <sml> DocTomoe - ill do some research and check it out .. mayb it is a ubuntu /  kubuntu thing?
[01:46] <DocTomoe> sml: Give the following a try for WLan ... it really is convinient: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21832
[01:47] <sml> ok .. looking
[01:48] <sml> DocTomoe - what about something to bring down etho and bring up wlan0?
[01:48] <DocTomoe> sml why would you want to down eth0?
[02:47] <Phantom^^> hey can someone tell me how i enable the root account in kubuntu ?
[03:00] <reagleBRKLN> anyone willing to help walk me through a freenx install? never got it to work... gonna try again with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[03:01] <Riddell> jjesse: how are the kubuntu docs?
[03:02] <jjesse> Riddell: they are comming well i just upgraded my box to the preview releasse so i'm double checking any changes
[03:03] <Riddell> jjesse: when do you think we can upload a newer version?
[03:03] <Riddell> and can I do anything to help?
[03:06] <jjesse> Riddell sorry boss is at desk,
[03:13] <jjesse> back
[03:14] <jjesse> the about-kubuntu and the kquickguide are what i'm really focusing on for breezy
[03:29] <reagleBRKLN> anyone willing to help walk me through a freenx install? never got it to work... gonna try again with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[03:50] <drasch> reagleBRKLN: if you figure it out, let me know :)
[03:50] <reagleBRKLN> drasch: no luck yet, suppose i will have to wait for breezy in hopes its set up correctly there
[03:53] <PaloDeQueso> When you upgrade to breezy is there anything you have to change in xorg.conf?
[03:54] <jjesse> PaloDeQueso: i didn't have to do
[03:54] <drasch> reagleBRKLN: i think it's going to miss breezy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger?highlight=%28nomachine%29 currently marked as pending
[03:54] <PaloDeQueso> jjesse: because now x won't start and it says it's because it can't load the keyboard module :(
[03:54] <reagleBRKLN> argh
[03:56] <PaloDeQueso> jjesse, I don't know what to do, it just says failed to load moules keyboard (module does not exist, 0)
[03:56] <jjesse> hmm thinking
[03:58] <PaloDeQueso> apparently, they changed the module name do kbd
[03:58] <PaloDeQueso> I fixored it.
[03:59] <PaloDeQueso> oh, what is the command to run the new system settings program, It intrigued me and I want to add it to my kmenu?
[04:04] <cvt> uh how do i search my files?
[04:12] <spike> hi there
[04:12] <spike> which version of amarok is in kubuntu breezy?
[04:12] <drasch> spike: http://packages.ubuntu.com/amarok
[04:15] <spike> doh, tnx
[04:15] <spike> still 1.2.x, not the 1.3
[04:24] <boerjesl> I've installed amaroK 1.3 using the howtos on the forums, but after that I had to reinstall kubuntu-desktop, because I seemed to broke something while trying to install winex... anyway, now my kubuntu-desktop is broken, because it wants to install the older amarok
[04:25] <boerjesl> should I purge amarok 1.3 and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop?
[04:26] <OculusAquilae> boerjesl: kubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package, you can remove it savely
[04:27] <cvt> how do i install xgalaga?
[04:27] <boerjesl> oh. thanks. I'll do that
[04:30] <boerjesl> synaptic won't open. what command should I use?
[04:31] <jjesse> kdesu before it to run as root
[04:31] <boerjesl> yeah, but synaptic crashes
[04:31] <boerjesl> it tries to open kdesu
[04:32] <boerjesl> sorry... works now
[04:32] <boerjesl> I should do less stuff with the mouse...
[04:43] <OculusAquilae>    ty
[04:44] <cvt> i'm stuck on galaga installation
[04:44] <cvt> synaptic
[04:44] <cvt> root terminal, terminal
[04:44] <cvt> kynaptic installation
[04:44] <cvt> krystal's cheese burgers and here i sit with no xgalaga
[04:45] <setite> hey people
[04:45] <setite> anyoen have a suggestion for an irc client
[04:45] <jjesse> konverstation is the default one
[04:45] <setite> xchat is not auto identifying in time to join #ubuntu... and im getting pissed
[04:45] <jjesse> its what i use
[04:45] <cvt> xchat
[04:46] <cvt> mirc?
[04:46] <cvt> hydrachat
[04:46] <cvt> i don'ta know shit
[04:46] <setite> yea i cant figure out how to execute a command on connect in konversation
[04:46] <cvt> i came from poor xp
[04:46] <setite> hydra... ill look into that... and mirc is a windows client... i would like to avoid that.. .although i like it
[04:46] <cvt> yea i can't figure out how to install galaga
[04:46] <setite> many of us did... dont feel bad
[04:47] <cvt> my mouth hurts too making it hard for me to stay awake
[04:47] <setite> getting bitchx to try
[04:47] <cvt> i had my freaking wisdom teeth extracted
[04:47] <jjesse> like join a channel on conenct or something like that?
[04:47] <setite> god i love linux and how many apps are available at the press of a button
[04:56] <drasch> in breezy, my mouse cursor over GTK apps isn't the nice White cursor, but the plain 'ol GTK black cursor and the wierd sideways finger over links in firefox.  Where can I fix this?
[04:56] <duende> Help:  How do i get k3b to support mp3s in breezy?
[04:58] <drasch> duende: i'd start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:58] <duende> yeah, wasn't listed there though, i just found it.  there's actually a package called k3b-mp3 that i didn't notice
[04:59] <duende> silly me
[04:59] <Riddell> duende: please add it to that wiki page
[05:00] <duende> ok
[05:00] <Riddell> it should also mention akode-mpeg if it doesn't already
[05:02] <duende> i believe it does
[05:02] <duende> so, is k3b-mp3 new to breezy?
[05:02] <Riddell> duende: yes
[05:03] <Riddell> duende: also new in breezy is kaffeine-xine
[05:03] <Riddell> which you could mention
[05:04] <duende> you mean kaffeine-gstreamer ?
[05:06] <Riddell> duende: well kaffeine-gstreamer is in there by default, people might want to know that kaffeine-xine isn't installed by default
[05:06] <duende> ok
[05:07] <duende> i haven't been able to get kaffeine-gstreamer to work right, the playback is really choppy for regular avi's.  I installed the kaffeine-xine plugin, but it's not available in the list to select from
[05:07] <duende> as well, when i re-run kaffeine with  'kaffeine -w', it says i'm missing 'part'
[05:08] <mp83> does anybody know, how to get the hal support in the media:/ kioslave back. if i plug a usb stick, its not shown under media:/ but mountet as /media/usbstick (using breezy)
[05:14] <drasch> mp83: it's a known bug
[05:14] <drasch> mp83: to my knowledge, no one yet knows the full story
[05:20] <rouzic> Wenas
[05:22] <pussfeller> if i put a new mobo in, will i have to mess with any settings when I boot up again
[05:24] <Flying_Eagle> pussfeller: if its supported by your kernel, then it should work
[05:24] <Flying_Eagle> harddisk-order n stuff must be same too
[05:24] <pussfeller> i gotta do something, p3 is too old and my usb ports dont work
[05:32] <mp83> is there a way to modify the kioslave behavior after installing kde? oder is that suff build in?
[05:35] <buz> what's up with the monster update to hoary?
[05:44] <buz> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:44] <buz>   xlibmesa-gl-dev: Depends: xlibmesa-gl (= 6.8.2-10.1) but 6.8.2-10 is installed
[05:44] <buz> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[05:44] <buz> great
[05:46] <buz> and using -f doesnt really help either
[05:47] <buz> ok manually doing dpkg -r fglrx helped
[05:55] <mcscruff> lo ppl
[06:05] <laszlok> is there any way to make alsa accept multiple inputs from both gnome and kde programs at the same time
[06:06] <Moopere> ummm....dmix?
[06:07] <Moopere> I've never used dmix, but isn't it supposed to be some sort of alsa mixer for multiple sound sources?
[06:07] <laszlok> for example audacity and arts
[06:08] <Moopere> anyone know when kde 3.5 beta's will start showing up?
[06:09] <Tm_T> nnope
[06:10] <Moopere> soon I hope - kubuntu is being pantsed by ubuntu at the moment :)
[06:21] <Flying_Eagle> Moopere: what does "pantsed" mean?
[06:30] <Moopere> Flying_Eagle: Ubuntu breezy has a few nice things that kubuntu don't have
[06:31] <Moopere> Flying_Eagle: for instance, multimedia buttons on many keyboards now appear to work "out of the box"
[06:31] <Moopere> Flying_Eagle: Also, aRTs really really sucks
[06:35] <_mindspin> hi, kaudiocreator doesn't encode with lame, any idea?
[06:48] <pussfeller> do you have lame?
[06:49] <foodcoman> I am lame!   =)   So I'm told!
[06:57] <foodcoman> Would I need to do anything special for repos while testing breezy?
[06:58] <jjesse> change references to breezy from hoary
[06:58] <jjesse> then do an sudo apt-get update
[06:58] <jjesse> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:58] <setite> whats the kubuntu source line
[06:58] <setite> it used to be a link to it on the topic.. but i cant find it
[06:58] <foodcoman> It is a fresh install of Breezy 5.10 preview from scratch.
[06:59] <foodcoman> Just uncomment Universe and so-on?
[07:01] <setite> how do i copy to back up a file
[07:01] <setite> cp file newfile?
[07:01] <foodcoman> yep
[07:04] <libben> anyone know how i install the newest jre 1.5 ?
[07:05] <setite> yaya i finally found an awesome sources.list and its tailored to amd64
[07:05] <setite> there is a god!
[07:07] <setite> i still need the kubuntu line though
[07:08] <jjesse> you are just upgrading one version of kubuntu to another correct?
[07:08] <setite> im trying to update kde yes
[07:08] <setite> i think i got it
[07:08] <setite> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main ??
[07:08] <jjesse> if you change the sources to reflect breezy instead of hoary it will upgrade the package kubuntu-desktop to the breezy package
[07:08] <setite> you think thats stable?
[07:08] <jjesse> i'm using the preview package w/o any issues
[07:09] <setite> it would install kubuntu desktop... not the whole thing right...
[07:09] <jjesse> setite i edited my sources.list then did a sudo apt-get update
[07:09] <jjesse> followed by a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:09] <setite> ok what are the changes
[07:09] <setite> oh so you upgraded your whole distro
[07:09] <jjesse> and upgrade my distro from hoary to breezy
[07:09] <jjesse> yeah i did
[07:09] <jjesse> it was quite painless
[07:09] <setite> hmmmm... it should be safe to do so...
[07:10] <setite> i have nothign that would be liable to break
[07:10] <setite> ok lay it on my...
[07:10] <jjesse> i didn't eitehr and i'm using a laptop
[07:10] <setite> me*
[07:10] <setite> well everythign im currently using worked out of the box... and ubuntu is real good at not fixing that which isnt broken like other distros
[07:10] <jjesse> grin i've found the same thing
[07:11] <setite> ok im looking... i dont know what to change
[07:11] <setite> do i just switch the word hoary to breezy?
[07:11] <jjesse> yup that's all i did
[07:11] <setite> ok...
[07:12] <jjesse> just don't freak if you have like 800 packages that have to be updated
[07:12] <setite> woot that was easy
[07:12] <setite> just auto replaced
[07:13] <setite> uh oh.. this new list has nerim in it... thats not goo
[07:13] <setite> and the backports failed...
[07:13] <jjesse> there are no breezy backports yet sorry forgot to mention that
[07:13] <setite> but thats perhaps because of
[07:13] <setite> yea thats what i was gonna say
[07:13] <setite> well backports are just that
[07:13] <setite> so they will probably just make the backports when final is out
[07:14] <setite> ok im updating my list... its stuck on 99%
[07:14] <setite> imma comment out backports fo rnow
[07:16] <setite> ok updated
[07:16] <setite> 710 packages to upgrade.. woot
[07:25] <libben> how do i install java so i can use the latest azureus
[07:26] <frank23> libben: you can get java in hoary-extras
[07:26] <setite> this is friggin slow
[07:26] <setite> jaja
[07:26] <frank23> !backports
[07:26] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:26] <setite> haha
[07:27] <frank23> !repositories
[07:27] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[07:27] <libben> frank23: im on breezy, and when i was on hooray, it wasnt good. i needed to install from sun.java.com
[07:29] <frank23> libben: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[07:30] <frank23> libben: for some reason, synaptic does not see it
[07:30] <libben> can i use that on breezy without any problems?
[07:31] <libben> does commandline see it?
[07:31] <frank23> libben: I don't know but my guess is yes
[07:31] <frank23> libben: you install it with dpkg
[07:32] <libben> yeah.. dpkg -i file.deb
[07:32] <libben> does it matter if its a 386 when my kernel is 686?
[07:33] <frank23> libben: it will work on 686 kernel. and synaptic can see it in hoary, so it should have worked when you used hoary
[07:35] <_dominik> hi is there any speciel (KDE?) tool in kubuntu to install new packages... or just apt-get?
[07:35] <frank23> _dominik: kynaptic
[07:35] <_dominik> thx ;)
[07:35] <frank23> _dominik: use it to install synaptic, which is much better
[07:35] <_dominik> also better than apt ?
[07:36] <frank23> _dominik: well synaptic does exactly the same thing as apt-get but with a gui
[07:36] <_dominik> well i'll try it .::::::
[07:37] <_dominik> but kubuntu seems to be very nice :)
[07:37] <frank23> _dominik: it is ;-)
[07:38] <_dominik> i'll see ;) i used a long time debian :)
[07:38] <_jesusfish_> dooglio: kubuntu/ubuntu are pretty much debian geard for the desktop
[07:39] <frank23> _dominik: just don't use debian repositories, stick with the ubuntu ones only
[07:39] <marsh> hey - does anyone know why i'm getting a '\r' on the end of my filenames when i have them read from a modified (just the track names left in) m3u file?
[07:39] <_mindspin> hi, kaudiocreator doesn't encode with lame, any idea?
[07:39] <_mindspin> and I can't find lame in the repos
[07:39] <marsh> I noob trying to learn to script - not doin' too bad, but this ones got me stumped ! :(
[07:40] <frank23> _mindspin: lame is in multiverse
[07:40] <_jesusfish_> marsh: you're probably asking in the wrong channel
[07:40] <marsh> can anyone help?
[07:40] <marsh> _jesus - suggested channel?
[07:40] <_mindspin> thought uncommented multiverse, I #ll have a look
[07:40] <_jesusfish_> marsh: what language you scripting in?
[07:40] <marsh> bash
[07:41] <marsh> that's why i thought it'd be ok in here...
[07:41] <_jesusfish_> marsh: try #linux to start
[07:41] <marsh> _jesusfish_: thanks, man - I'll give it a go ;)
[07:41] <_jesusfish_> marsh: this channel is more geared kubuntu issues
[07:41] <frank23> marsh: you can try #bash
[07:42] <_jesusfish_> frank23: ya, wasn't sure if there was a bash channel or not
[07:42] <marsh> Ooohhh.. I can feel it coming together now... :)
[07:42] <marsh> thanks frank23, _jesusfish_
[07:43] <_kbyte> hi wveryone
[07:43] <_jesusfish_> marsh: np
[07:43] <_kbyte> a big smile from the world's strawberries capital
[07:44] <_kbyte> some one knows what kind of program can helps me to use my web cam in amsn cvs??
[07:44] <frank23> _kbyte: oh yeah? well I come from (next to) the world's lobster capital!
[07:45] <_kbyte> cool frank23
[07:45] <_kbyte> hey i need help
[07:46] <_kbyte> i have been started a ciber cafe in my city
[07:46] <_kbyte> some people need to use msn with webcam suport
[07:46] <Sith_Tux> hey people, i installed version 5.10 but i can;t seem to play mp3 files with amarok, i get: The gst-engine claims it cannot play MP3 files
[07:46] <frank23> !mp3
[07:46] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:47] <_kbyte> there's any program that can do this?
[07:47] <_dominik> hmm sometimes kopete says conected even other people doesn'T get my msgs and see me as offline :(
[08:02] <bobbyd> hi
[08:02] <OculusAquilae>  hi bobbyd
[08:02] <bobbyd> klogd is taking 60-90% cpu time
[08:02] <bobbyd> any ideas what that is and why it's doing it?
[08:03] <OculusAquilae> what klogd is?
[08:03] <OculusAquilae> "man klogd"
[08:03] <bobbyd> yes
[08:04] <bobbyd> ok, so why would it be taking up that much cpu time?
[08:04] <bobbyd> is some process spamming log messages?
[08:04] <bobbyd> there's noting in the syslog
[08:04] <bobbyd> s/noting/nothing
[08:05] <OculusAquilae> hm
[08:05] <OculusAquilae> everytime or only today?
[08:05] <bobbyd> just today
[08:06] <OculusAquilae> try restarting it
[08:06] <bobbyd> ok
[08:10] <bobbyd> that seemed to work
[08:10] <bobbyd> I don't like it though
[08:10] <OculusAquilae> boddyd: seems to be a bug in klogd, hm
[08:11] <OculusAquilae> boddyd: but it may be that it does not happen very often
[08:11] <libben> dont i miss a resp?
[08:11] <libben> cant find w32codecs with my resps
[08:11] <libben> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/361717
[08:12] <_StarScream> hi guys, how do i unmount from the cli in kubuntu using DBUS / HAL thingy
[08:13] <_StarScream> umount /media/usbdevice don't work
[08:15] <setite> hey jjesse you there
[08:16] <setite> do i want to keep my current /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xorg-common_xresources or take the package maintaners version
[08:17] <libben> frank23: dont i miss a resp? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/361717
[08:17] <_StarScream> setite: doing a breezy upgrade?
[08:20] <setite> ya
[08:20] <setite> i said keep current version
[08:20] <setite> is that ok?
[08:29] <libben> why dont i get azuerus when i search for it?
[08:29] <libben> again, do i miss any resp line ? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/361717
[08:34] <setite> whoa everythign is all big in breezy
[08:35] <_dominik> is there a away to get a little bigger font in firefox?
[08:44] <duende> Help:  I'm trying to recompile my kernel in breezy, after rebooting i get a kernel panic for not being able to find my root and i should pass it to the kernel line.  In grub i have my kernel  line as:  "kernel /vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS> root=/dev/hda5" it seems it cannot find /dev/hda5
[08:44] <bobbyd> I've noticed that scrolling in konsole is really slow under ubuntu. Has anyone else seen this?
[08:45] <bobbyd> I get this on my athlon 2800+
[08:52] <ManLord> when i delete a file (move it to the trashcan) a file with the same name and "~" appears, is there a way i can turn off the visibility of these files?
[08:53] <OculusAquilae> ManLord: turn off the visibility of backup files, hm
[08:53] <ManLord> where?
[08:53] <OculusAquilae> ManLord: don't know
[08:57] <libben> i cant find Azureus in synaptic, why? <-- breezy
[08:57] <libben> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/361717 my sources.list
[08:59] <OculusAquilae> libben: don't know, i can't find it too
[08:59] <libben> i think i had a resp called extras in my sources.list in hooray
[08:59] <libben> but dont have that now for this
[09:00] <libben> breezy
[09:01] <OculusAquilae> libben: i think there is no extras repository for breezy yet
[09:02] <OculusAquilae> think we must wait until the release
[09:05] <libben> OculusAquilae: well we can use backports
[09:05] <setite> damnit breezy broke my shit
[09:05] <setite> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[09:06] <OculusAquilae> libben: which backports?
[09:06] <libben> http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/
[09:14] <OculusAquilae> libben: but that ar hoary-ones
[09:14] <libben> well, u use what u can =)
[09:14] <OculusAquilae> k
[09:15] <libben> its no biggie... its not that big diffrence.
[09:15] <OculusAquilae> libben: you're right
[09:15] <OculusAquilae> ich hope :-)
[09:15] <OculusAquilae> lol
[09:15] <OculusAquilae> I hope
[09:16] <libben> breezy is just a name for a new version of kubuntu... and its still the same as hooray, just that breezy is with newer kde and some newer other things.
[09:16] <OculusAquilae> libben: I know
[09:16] <libben> so to install say w32codecs from this url would be safe
[09:17] <OculusAquilae> nearly safe
[09:17] <libben> =)
[09:17] <libben> now where is my hoes?
[09:17] <libben> nalioth_zZz: wake up.
[09:17] <libben> and help my sorry white ass.
[09:40] <slow-motion> hello
[09:47] <D13GU___> hi all
[09:48] <D13GU___> where i see the release of kubuntu 5
[09:48] <D13GU___> .04
[09:53] <setite> hey can someone help me
[09:53] <setite> im dying wiht this nvidia thing
[09:53] <setite> im getting a kernel error everytime
[09:53] <setite> am i doing this cc shit wronmg
[10:03] <pljones> Hi...  Is this the right place to ask about problems with Kubuntu Breezy Preview?
[10:04] <slow-motion> yes
[10:05] <slow-motion> how can i find out what character encoding a ID3 tag fom an mp3 file uses?
[10:05] <pljones> Okay...  I've run through the install to first boot.  X starts up to the point I get the checkered background and X cursor, then exits.  I then get an installer screen briefly (looks like it's uninstalling KDM and reinstalling), then it tries again, fails and cycles endlessly.
[10:05] <pljones> Any ideas..?
[10:05] <rafa> hi
[10:06] <pvh> Safe to change sources and dist-upgrade?
[10:08] <jjesse> that's what i idid pvh
[10:08] <_rafa_> I have a question about package dependeces
[10:08] <_rafa_> I would like to uninstal kpovmodeler because I not going to use it
[10:09] <jjesse> remove it before upgrading
[10:09] <pvh> jjesse: Thanks. Just s/hoary/breezy/? I remember a few months ago hearing that it was a Bad Idea to try that, but I'm glad to hear it's resolved.
[10:09] <jjesse> well i did it sucessfully w/ the preview release
[10:09] <_rafa_> but it said that it is going to uninstall kdegraphics
[10:09] <pvh> _rafa_: That's just a dependency generator.
[10:09] <_rafa_> and I don't want that
[10:10] <pvh> _rafa_: The things it installed OTHER than that will be gone.
[10:10] <pvh> _rafa_: Sorry, will remain
[10:10] <pvh> _rafa_: But because you don't have kpovmodeler any more, you don't have the whole KDE graphics package.
[10:10] <pvh> _rafa_: The down-side being, of course, that if new packages get added to kdegraphics you won't get them automatically.
[10:11] <pvh> _rafa_: Make sense?
[10:11] <_rafa_> yes
[10:11] <_rafa_> thanks
[10:11] <_rafa_> I think I can live without new packages added to kdegraphics :)
[10:12] <_rafa_> so, how can i just uninstall kpovmodeler ?
[10:12] <_rafa_> (without droping all the other programs in kdegraphics package)
[10:14] <_rafa_> I remember that with Mandrake I could use something like urmpi --force to uninstall a program without take care of the dependeces
[10:15] <_rafa_> is there anything simitar with apt-get ??
[10:15] <_rafa_> could this give me to some kind of dependence madness ??
[10:15] <_rafa_> pvh ?
[10:16] <ctw> hi! has anyone here tried the new kubuntu preview 5.10 yet?
[10:17] <seth_k> _rafa_, you would have to compile your own version of kdegraphics
[10:17] <seth_k> ctw, I've run Breezy since the day after Hoary came out
[10:17] <seth_k> by now it's pretty stable
[10:18] <_rafa_> seth_k, i could uninstall kdegraphics and then install the programs i need , no?
[10:18] <ctw> thanks seth_k, that's what I wanted to know
[10:18] <seth_k> _rafa_, uninstalling kdegraphics will not remove the whole kdegraphics package
[10:18] <seth_k> _rafa_, think of kdegraphics like a basket
[10:18] <seth_k> it has lots of things in it, and if you install the basket, you install all the things in it
[10:18] <ctw> do you think the installer will change much? I'm thinking about installing it on a new laptop and want to get full hardware detection
[10:18] <_rafa_> kdegraphics is a metapackage, no ?
[10:19] <seth_k> but if you uninstall the basket, then apt takes everything out of the basket and removes just the basket
[10:19] <seth_k> yes
[10:19] <seth_k> it is a metapackage
[10:20] <_rafa_> I thought that if I uninstall this metapackage I would uninstall all the things it depens on the metapackage
[10:20] <seth_k> if things depend on the metapackage, you will
[10:20] <seth_k> but iirc nothing depends on kdegraphics
[10:21] <pvh> _rafa_: No, if you uninstall the meta-package, anything it installed stays.
[10:21] <seth_k> A metapackage has lots of depends on other packages, it rarely has reverse depends
[10:21] <seth_k> pvh, which is what I said before :P
[10:21] <_rafa_> ok, seth_k but what I want to uninstall is kpovmodeler that depens on kdegraphics
[10:21] <pvh> _rafa_: You need something like debfoster to get rid of the orphans.
[10:21] <seth_k> _rafa_, so uninstall it
[10:21] <pvh> seth_k: Heh, catching up.
[10:21] <seth_k> _rafa_, you'll remove kpovmodeller + kdegraphics, and everything else will stay
[10:22] <_jesusfish_> _rafa_: kdegraphics can only be installe if all of the packages under it are installed
[10:22] <_rafa_> ok ok, I thought it works to ways (installing and uninstalling)
[10:22] <pljones> kdegraphics depends on the content but the content doesn't depend on kdegraphics
[10:22] <_jesusfish_> _rafa_: it's basically just used to install a handful of packages at once
[10:22] <seth_k> _rafa_, although why remove it, it takes like 6 MB :P
[10:23] <pljones> so if you remove some of the content, you can't have kdegraphics installed (you broke the dependency) -- but nothing else cares.
[10:23] <seth_k> exactly
[10:23] <libben> Riddell: isnt there a extras resp for breezy?
[10:23] <seth_k> brb, have to drop off this essay to my prof
[10:23] <seth_k> libben, not yet, but there will be
[10:23] <libben> k
[10:23] <_rafa_> seth_k, I am traying to use kubuntu at work, I don't need kpovmodelet among other things
[10:23] <libben> so for now i will have to install azuerus manually
[10:24] <seth_k> libben, "install"... just untar into /home/ and run
[10:24] <_rafa_> I trying to get kunbutu as clean as I can
[10:24] <libben> seth_k: yeah i know.
[10:24] <libben> but i need to install java
[10:24] <seth_k> _rafa_, "clean" is relative... Kubuntu isn't like windows where it slows down as the registry gets bigger
[10:24] <seth_k> having kpovmodeler installed does nothing but take 6MB of HD space
[10:25] <seth_k> but whatever floats your boat
[10:25] <_rafa_> seth_k, I know I know, I am not new to linux but to ubuntu (and kubuntu)
[10:26] <_rafa_> but perhaps my boss dosen't like to see this kind of aplications in my desktop :)
[10:27] <Riddell> libben: no idea
[10:27] <_rafa_> is not a question of space, is a question of having the tools that I need for my working and nothing else
[10:28] <pvh> Does adept have a way to show "undepended" packages?
[10:28] <libben> k
[10:29] <Blissex> pvh: for sophisticated filtering/analysis use 'aptitude'...
[10:31] <pvh> Blissex: Yes, aptitude is very advanced, but that wasn't the question. :)
[10:31] <pljones> No one on tried a fresh install of KBreezy and had the KDM looping?  Okay, I'll try over on the forum.
[10:33] <_rafa_> well, I should leave, thanks for the help
[10:33] <setite> jjesse, i hate you
[10:33] <_rafa_> keep this good work
[10:33] <_rafa_> bye
[10:35] <setite> i should get the amd64-k8 kernel...
[10:36] <setite> whoa whats the difference from linux-amd64-generic and linux-amd65-k8
[10:36] <setite> generic for k8,smp, and xeon with no optimizations i presume
[10:37] <setite> whoops wroung rrom
[10:42] <nalioth> libben: talkin that trash aint gonna get you anywhere
[10:43] <libben> =)
[10:43] <libben> it was with the ;) in the eye
[10:44] <libben> ive downloaded a mp4 file and cant get it to play in kaffeine.
[10:44] <libben> tried to install ffmpeg codecs and gstreamer codecs that has mpeg4
[10:44] <libben> but havent helped.
[10:45] <libben> do i need to restart kde for it
[10:46] <nalioth> have you installed ALL the gstreamer codecs? (even the ones you have to compile yourself)?
[10:46] <libben> cant really say so no. ive only installed some codecs that i thought to be for mpeg4
[10:47] <libben> gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[10:51] <_andreas> yeah this rocks
[10:52] <nalioth> libben: there are many gstreamer-plugins, for best results, install ALL of them
[10:52] <nalioth> libben: and the ones that won't install, build
[10:53] <libben> so what ? just mark all named gstreamer ? =)
[10:57] <nalioth> libben: yes.
[10:57] <nalioth> gstreamer-kitchensink
[10:57] <nalioth> gstreamer-astroturf
[10:58] <_andreas> hehe
[10:58] <libben> ive installed the meta package.
[10:58] <_andreas> I heard firefox wil have a kitchen sink soon
[10:58] <libben> it includes them all
[10:58] <_andreas> will too
[10:58] <libben> hopefully the firefox beta will be in breezy
[10:59] <_andreas> that would be cool
[10:59] <_andreas> not that I'm using it
[10:59] <nalioth> when will it be evident? stability over bling
[11:00] <setite> jjesse, wherever you are... yea im never upgrading again...
[11:01] <_andreas> bling bling bling
[11:01] <_andreas> \o/
[11:01] <libben> =)
[11:02] <libben> well, its on ur own risk to install a Beta
[11:02] <_andreas> bbl
[11:02] <libben> and this beta should be very appreciated by teh communtiy. so they all can try it.
[11:02] <libben> instead of waiting for a stable relase on both sides.
[11:04] <nalioth> libben: ?
[11:04] <seth_k> psh, if they don't have firefox beta i'll be annoyed
[11:11] <chen> hello
[11:19] <libben> anyone wanna help me with installing the newest java? done it two days ago, but forgot what to type. and its a new clean system.
[11:23] <nalioth_wrkn> !tell libben about java
[11:27] <op> hello  ihave a few questions if someone would be so kind as to help
[11:28] <nalioth_wrkn> op: just ask
[11:29] <op> i am trying to install a number of programs and it is not letting me instal them. One of which is Mozilla firefox. it is saying it is missing a lib file from the gtk so i tried to install the gtk but it needs to be compiled and it is saying me computer does not have a valid cc installed
[11:30] <nalioth_wrkn> op: install "build-essential"
[11:30] <op> also i have three drives i was using for another computer that was windows xp and i would like to use them on this comuputer without formating but i do not know howto mount them
[11:30] <op> what is build-essential?
[11:30] <op> i am completely new to linux
[11:32] <nalioth_wrkn> op: build-essential is a metapackage that will install all the programs you need to compile software
[11:32] <op> okay i will look for that any idea on the hardrive mounting
[11:32] <op> ?
[11:36] <op> thanks i have done the build assentials and i think it is working :-) does anyone know how i can get those hardrives working on here without formating them and looseing the data?
[11:40] <[NetSkier> I just installed Kubuntu for the first time, without a network cable.  Now I have one, so where did they hide /etc/resolv.conf?
[11:40] <[NetSkier> Alternatively, what can I run now to configure the network?
[11:43] <spiral> hello all...
[11:43] <ubuntu> hi
[11:43] <spiral> could anyone tell me why breezy doesn't include amaroK 1.3.1 ?
[11:45] <[NetSkier> What can I run now to configure the network?
[11:45] <[NetSkier> What replaced /etc/resolv.conf?
[11:46] <[NetSkier> Thought this was a debian install with a nicer interface.
[11:46] <spiral> [NetSkier: /etc/resolv.conf is still good
[11:46] <[NetSkier> That file is missing on my new install.
[11:47] <spiral> [NetSkier: just create & fill it then ?
[11:47] <[NetSkier> ok; I will create it.
[11:47] <[NetSkier> But is there some program I can run now to do it the Kubuntu way?
[11:47] <[NetSkier> I want to give Kubuntu a fair test.
[11:48] <spiral> [NetSkier: maybe you could see in kcontrol if there's something for this, or do dpkg-reconfigure network or netrwoking... dunno exactly
[11:48] <[NetSkier> spiral: thanks; will look there.
[11:49] <spiral> nobody knows about amaroK 1.3.1 there ?
[11:53] <Blissex> [NetSkier: well, depends.
[11:53] <Blissex> [NetSkier: there is network configuration in the KDE ''system configuration'' panel. And there are all the usual Ubuntu configuration applets.
[11:53] <Blissex> [NetSkier: but '/etc/resolv.conf' is a bit special -- it is usually set automagically by DHCP.
[11:54] <[NetSkier> I want to set it staticly.
[11:54] <jarek> hi everyone
[11:54] <jarek> i've got a problem with sensors
[11:54] <jarek> anyone gan give me a hand with tahat?
[11:55] <jarek> that
[11:55] <[NetSkier> Blissex: Iwill look at the  KDE ''system configuration'' panel.
[11:56] <hussam> [NetSkier: edit /etc/networks/interfaces to something similar to this: http://pastebin.com/361159
[11:56] <jarek> i don't know how to run the lm-sensors
[11:59] <hussam> hussam: it you configure it from kde control panel, it will not rememeber the static gateway, so you need to edit /etc/networks/interfaces
[11:59] <hussam> [NetSkier: sorry, that was for you
[12:00] <[NetSkier> hussam: Thanks, but the resolvconf package is not installed, and I need a working dns to go get it, or is it on the Hoary cdrom?
[12:00] <[NetSkier> hussam: I had already edited the  /etc/networks/interfaces file, but did not have items 7 and 8.
[12:01] <hussam> [NetSkier: jsut sudo apt-get resolveconf
[12:01] <hussam> [NetSkier: umm, I don't think it is on cd. it's on archive.ubuntu.com
[12:01] <[NetSkier> hussam: How will apt-get find it without dns working?  It won't.
[12:02] <[NetSkier> apt-get update fails now due to dns errors.


[07:50] <ppisati> moin
[08:24] <smb> morning
[09:09]  * apw yawns
[09:48] <melkor> Hello, I am trying to build a driver and I get an implicit function declaration error for __netdev_printk
[09:48] <melkor> I think this function has been removed from the 3.7 kernel and I'm curious if it has been replaced or changed.
[09:58] <melkor> Deleted the function call and the driver compiles fine. It sucks that the driver hasn't found its way into the kernel. It is the ethernet driver for newer atheros cards.
[10:54] <ppisati> brb
[12:39] <dhanasekaran> Hi Guys, How to find one particular  process how many open files are there, any way to identify?
[12:40] <melkor> dhanasekaran: seems like this might not be the correct channel for that question. Did you mean #ubuntu?
[12:42] <dhanasekaran> melkor: it's process related right?  process  guys talk to libc. The kernel must know the list of open files right.
[12:43] <melkor> dhanasekaran: I'm not arguing with you I'm just offering you a suggestion that might improve your chances of getting help.
[12:43] <dhanasekaran> melkor: thnaks.
[13:19] <rtg> smb, rebooting gomeisa for _something_, but can't remember what.
[13:19] <smb> rtg, ok, I am off
[13:21] <dhanasekaran> apw: yesterday I asked one question, How to find particular path, available or not? You said no available in Linux tree. I agree. I want to know how to find it. It's helpful my further searches please guide me, I already download code from github
[13:22] <apw> dhanasekaran, from what i could see that patch was only on the mailing list, i think your link was to patchworks
[13:23] <apw> dhanasekaran, though it was also 3/3, ie the third one of a set and likely no use on its own
[13:23] <dhanasekaran> can i find patch history from gitk
[13:26] <apw> if a patch is only on the mailing list, then it is not in git, therefore not in gitk
[14:06] <smb> rtg, did the something turn out to be a pain?
[14:06] <rtg> smb, gomeisa not back ?
[14:07] <smb> rtg, sort of... just not letting me in
[14:07] <rtg> crud, better go check
[14:21] <rtg> smb, gomeisa is back
[14:21] <smb> rtg, thanks
[15:41] <rtg> this smatch run is taking forever
[16:14] <jsalisbury> **
[16:14] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:14] <jsalisbury> **
[16:35] <jsalisbury> rtg, so you can't hear me, eh?
[16:35] <rtg> jsalisbury, nope
[16:36] <jsalisbury> rtg, whoops, I was wondering why it was so quiet :-)
[16:36] <rtg> jsalisbury, still no sound
[16:36] <jsalisbury> rtg, ok, let me see what broke
[16:40] <rtg> jsalisbury, you are screwed today
[16:41] <jsalisbury> rtg, yup.  I'll try to figure out what happened after the IRC meeting.
[16:42] <tjaalton> 'ubuntu-bug linux' fails on raring, claims -5-generic is 3rd party, known?
[16:45] <ohsix> check aptitude and see if it's in the obsolete or locally created packages section, if it isn't, i dunno :]
[16:47] <tjaalton> ohsix: indeed, -6 is out :)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ## Meeting starting now
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:17]  * ppisati goes for some sweating - later...
[17:50] <apw> henrix, ok ... looks right now
[17:50] <henrix> apw: \o/
[17:51] <henrix> apw: any other thing i missed there?
[17:51] <apw> nope, the ' thing was the primary problem, then the raring things were simply sha1s coming available later
[17:52] <henrix> apw: ah, ok. thanks a lot for your help
[18:02] <jsalisbury> bjf, henrix, herton bug 1119809 is a regression in 3.2.0-38.59 that is affecting allot of people.  The issue doesn't happen in 3.2.0-37.58
[18:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1119809 in linux (Ubuntu) "Desktop login freeze with kernel 3.2.0-38.59" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1119809
[18:03] <bjf> jsalisbury, ack
[18:03] <jsalisbury> bjf, I haven't started a bisect for it yet, but I can do so
[18:04] <henrix> jsalisbury: looking, thanks
[18:27]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:45] <herton> jsalisbury, it seems I'm able to reproduce here, I'm starting a bisect here
[18:46] <jsalisbury> herton, cool, thanks!
[18:54] <bjf> slangasek, we loaned you a mac. i thought it was so something would be fixed so we didn't have to produce +mac isos. i just noticed we are still producing them so i'm assuming you have not finished that work?
[18:54] <slangasek> bjf: correct, I have not :/
[18:54] <slangasek> you need the macs back?
[18:55] <bjf> slangasek, nope, all good, just making sure we were not building +mac isos unnecessarily
[18:55] <slangasek> sadly no
[19:20]  * henrix -> EOD
[20:13]  * rtg -> EOD
[20:58] <sforshee> stgraber, can you try out the kernel at http://people.canonical.com/~sforshee/lp1098216/linux-3.8.0-6.11~lp1098216v201302121943/ on your x230?
[20:59] <sforshee> this is a different approach to the backlight problem
[21:00] <stgraber> sforshee: yep, will do
[21:00] <sforshee> stgraber, thanks. Be sure you don't boot with acpi_osi="!Windows 2012".
[21:05] <stgraber> sforshee: oh, I see, you're doing it the Windows way then ;) set all the values in the array from the current one to the one we actually want
[21:06] <sforshee> stgraber, yep. That's what I was asked to do when I tried to get the quirks upstream.
[21:07] <sforshee> stgraber, what you'll probably see is that it mostly works, but in one or two spots the brightness won't actually change when you adjust it through the desktop
[21:07] <sforshee> g-s-d divides the range up into 20 steps but there are only 16 valid values
[21:08] <stgraber> I rarely use the GUI tool, I usually just use the hotkeys which give you 8 levels IIRC
[21:08] <stgraber> you only get the 20 if you go through the control center I believe
[21:08] <sforshee> hmm, okay. Those must be generating backlight events rather than keypresses then.
[21:09] <sforshee> stgraber, please try it both ways, I'd like to know the results
[21:10] <sforshee> stgraber, also try directly writing the value in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness back into that file. That's an edge case I want to be sure gets tested.
[21:11] <stgraber> ok
[21:11] <stgraber> my laptop should be available for testing in a few minutes, finishing a couple of upstart and network-manager builds now ;)
[21:15] <sforshee> stgraber, at your leisure ;-)
[21:22] <stgraber> sforshee: bad news for you, doesn't work
[21:23] <stgraber> sforshee: using the hotkeys in X (which are caught by g-s-d), I can't change the brightness level, it gets stuck at maximum
[21:24] <stgraber> looking at the value of brightness, I can bring it down to 95 as the lowest value (actual_brightness remains at 100)
[21:24] <sforshee> stgraber, drat
[21:24] <stgraber> sforshee: going through the full gnome-control-center applet works though
[21:25] <sforshee> hmm, okay
[21:25] <sforshee> stgraber, when you say you can bring brightness down to 95, how are you doing that?
[21:26] <sforshee> (note that reading actual_brightness is going to reset brightness to the actual value your firmware thinks the value is, which is the last valid value written)
[21:26] <stgraber> fn+F8 which shows me the notify-osd brightness stuff. The slider appears as slightly less than maximum but there's no actual change in screen brightness
[21:31] <stgraber> sforshee: I've been tracing gnome-settings-daemon a bit here and looking at the dbus calls, when going through gnome-control-center only SetPercentage calls are emited
[21:31] <stgraber> when using the hotkeys, I see a GetPercentage call and a StepDown call instead
[21:32] <stgraber> so depending what file GetPercentage is reading, this may explain why it gets stuck
[21:32] <sforshee> stgraber, run acpi_listen and press your hotkeys and tell me what output you get
[21:33] <stgraber> F8 is: video LCD0 00000087 00000000
[21:33] <stgraber> F9 is: video LCD0 00000086 00000000
[21:33] <sforshee> that's what I thought
[21:34] <sforshee> so acpi_video handles those events internally to adjust the brightness
[21:34] <sforshee> unfortunately when it does that it's calling _BQC to ask the firmware what it thinks the brightness is
[21:34] <sforshee> so it's always getting the last value that actually applied
[21:35] <stgraber> so it that explains why it's trying to set the same value over and over again without any actual result
[21:35] <stgraber> s/it//
[21:35] <sforshee> yeah, it always tries to get the next larger or smaller value, but when it writes that to the firmware the value just gets discarded
[21:36] <sforshee> the next time it asks it just gets the same thing it got the previous time
[21:36] <sforshee> stupid firmware
[21:36] <sforshee> so the question then is does acpi_video really need to ask, or can it just use the cached value it already has
[21:37] <stgraber> do we have firmware that messes with the value by itself? if not, then cached should be safe
[21:38] <stgraber> (thinking of some of those machines with ambient light sensors, not sure whether it's just exposed to the OS or if the actual brightness change is done by the firmware)
[21:38] <sforshee> I don't know, the code is way more careful than I'd think it needs to be
[21:38] <sforshee> it doesn't even assume that the value it got from the firmware is one of the values the firmware said is valid
[22:06] <sforshee> stgraber, even if I fix this bug your hotkeys are going to work terribly. They're going to cycle you through 100 brightness values, most of which do nothing.
[22:06] <stgraber> great...
[22:07] <sforshee> anyway I've got a patch to fix it already, so I'll spin a build to verify that I understand the problem correctly. Then I'll go back to the upstream folks and describe the problems with the solution they're asking for.
[22:18] <PatrikOlsson> Hey guys, I want to add data from a test I did for the PowerManagementALPM. How can I add this to the wiki?
[22:39] <sforshee> stgraber, http://people.canonical.com/~sforshee/lp1098216/linux-3.8.0-6.11~lp1098216v201302122215/
[22:39] <sforshee> let me know if that gets the hotkeys working, even if it is suboptimal
[22:40] <stgraber> sforshee: ok. I'll get you some results tomorrow. I'm on 3G for the rest of the day so I'll avoid any massive download :)
[22:41] <sforshee> stgraber, np
[23:47] <stgraber> sforshee: hey, looks like your kernel bricked my machine...
[23:48] <stgraber> sforshee: or rather, it apparently failed to suspend, when I noticed it was rather hot already and had a nice kernel panic on the screen. Since it won't boot at all, not getting anything from the firmware


[19:00] <bluca> bdmurray: the autopkgtest github triggers are getting errors since an hour ago or so
[19:01] <bluca> is there a known issue? I'm getting 500 internal server error in the manual script
[19:01] <bluca> and on github: Traceback: <urlopen error Tunnel connection failed: 403 Forbidden
[19:01] <bluca> it says to ask on #ubuntu-quality so I'll hop there


[14:13] <xfact> Hello
[14:13] <xfact>  I was wondering when the authority will apply this designed testing Ubuntu homepage http://wubuntu.co.cc/ in the main domain? Lucid is released 2 weeks > passed
[14:13] <xfact> Anyone can help me to know
[14:14] <xfact> the reason of keeping the oid style homepage?
[14:14] <xfact> *old
[14:14] <xfact> ?
[14:14] <xfact> Anyone here?
[14:14] <xfact> To help me out?
[14:21] <cjohnston> wow.. all that and waited 3 minutes for an answer
[15:16] <cjohnston> mdke: I'm sure you aren't around, but I'll ping ya anyway. :-)


[02:21] <cjohnston> da da da
[02:38] <IdleOne> doo doo doo
[02:38] <IdleOne> is all I want to say to you
[02:42] <BobJonkman2> I thought serious channel was serious...
[03:03] <cjohnston> doo doo is serious
[03:05] <IdleOne> www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v2GDbEmjGE


[05:56] <philipballew> I forgot to renew my Ubuntu Membership this week when it expired on Launchpad. How can I renew it easily?
[05:56] <philipballew> Or is there someone who can fix that for me now?
[08:11] <popey> philipballew: i can help
[08:12] <popey> philipballew: done
[15:32] <philipballew> popey, Thank you dude :)
[15:48] <popey> np :)
[16:09] <philipballew> popey, Do you know off hand how long after its renewed until the email address works again?
[16:09] <philipballew> It doesn't seem to be instantaneous so id assume sometime in the next day or so.
[16:10] <ahayzen> philipballew, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Alias_creation_times
[16:10] <popey> i think it's manual
[16:16] <philipballew> popey, I think it says here under "Alias creation times" it takes at least 48 hours. Im not sure if that applies to being added again though...
[16:16] <popey> ask in #canonical-sysadmin maybe
[16:17] <philipballew> popey, right, thanks again for the help!
[16:17] <popey> :)


[00:52] <ibeardslee> hads: just don't know what to say
[00:55] <ibeardslee> but yeah that post from AndrewTD is nice and clear
[07:49] <hads> ibeardslee: Thanks, AndrewTD made me feel better.
[18:32] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:01] <Atamira> mornin
[19:15] <ajmitch> morning
[23:08] <ibeardslee> http://www.ascent.co.nz/Category.aspx?majorcatID=46
[23:09] <ibeardslee> is the picture I see there for others?
[23:10] <ajmitch> the ugly stretched freedos picture?
[23:11] <ibeardslee> ..yeah
[23:11] <ibeardslee> but it's a start right?
[23:11] <ajmitch> it's a start
[23:12] <ajmitch> as nice as it'd be to have ubuntu or some other functional free OS on there
[23:18] <snail> an agreement with Microsoft where a retailer agreed not to ship ubuntu but let them ship freedos would be illegal under NZ anti-competitive laws, right?
[23:19] <mwhudson> when i filter for freedos as the os though, i don't get any hits
[23:41] <ojwb> you have to specially order
[23:42] <ojwb> and it takes 2-3 weeks
[23:42] <ojwb> at least AIUI
[23:43]  * ojwb wonders what a "commercial model" is