[15:38] <nigelb> mhall119|work: just reminding you about the testimonial :)
[15:49] <IdleOne> nigelb: added my 2 cents to your wiki :)
[16:08] <doctormo_> pleia2, nigelb: Because I will be teaching my systems administration class again, I will be taking over the production of those classes that I need to have.
[16:08] <doctormo_> The classes start in 4 weeks or so, but I'll make sure to have some done before they begin propper.
[16:09] <doctormo_> This is just to let everyone know, because I may end up stepping on toes, but I'd rather work with anyone currently engrossed in sys admin topic.
[20:09] <pleia2> doctormo_: oh good :)
[20:12] <doctormo_> pleia2: oh good?
[20:12] <pleia2> doctormo_: that you're taking over the sysadmin classes
[20:12] <doctormo_> pleia2: heh
[20:34] <pleia2> and someday I'll get settled into my new home enough to make more progress on the user days classes I was trying to convert
[20:41] <doctormo_> pleia2: One day!
[20:41] <doctormo_> How is that going? your new home?
[20:42] <pleia2> doctormo_: it's taking time to settle in, living in a city, not living alone anymore...
[20:42] <doctormo_> pleia2: It does that
[20:42] <pleia2> and we haven't gotten our storage situation sorted, so there are boxes everywhere, and will be for the foreseeable future
[20:42] <pleia2> which kinda drives me nuts
[20:43] <doctormo_> pleia2: Aye, that would drive me nuts
[20:43] <doctormo_> Although I didn't have much stuff coming fromt he UK (I tended to sell a lot of it)
[20:43] <doctormo_> Bu even then I had to annoy my wife by moving things
[20:43] <pleia2> I shipped out about 20 boxes of stuff, plus the boyfriend has a lot still here from when he moved in 8 months ago
[20:44] <pleia2> oh, so the ubuntu california team portion here in SF is cool, they already have a few venues lined up for teaching linux stuff
[20:44] <pleia2> so "as soon as I'm ready" all I need to do is show up to teach a class :)
[20:46] <pleia2> that will be good motivation for me getting back into these things


[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <popey> Morning
[08:03] <dholbach> popey, did you have a good time in your days off? :)
[08:15] <popey> yes thanks
[08:35] <bkerensa> popey: nice boat
[08:35] <bkerensa> :)
[08:39] <popey> ☻
[13:34] <jcastro> bkerensa: there are 2 new answers to that VPN server question
[13:34] <jcastro> tell me which one works for you
[15:46] <TheLordOfTime> jcastro:  ping?
[15:46] <TheLordOfTime> jcastro:  there's 3 new answers, one's a dupe of the already existent answer and the other is basically a dupe of my answer...
[15:46] <TheLordOfTime> (on the question you referenced)
[15:48] <jcastro> hi
[15:56] <TheLordOfTime> jcastro:  to correct your statement, there's 3 new answers including mine
[15:56] <TheLordOfTime> they're basically dupes of what's already there afaict
[15:56] <TheLordOfTime> just, you know, for clarity on the "2 new answers" thing :P
[15:56]  * TheLordOfTime goes back to lurking
[16:43] <dholbach> all rightie - time to walk back home :)
[16:43] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[18:26] <bkerensa> jcastro: link?
[18:27] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/119534/easiest-way-to-setup-ubuntu-as-a-vpn-server
[19:32] <jcastro> bkerensa: hey
[19:33] <jcastro> just found out
[19:33] <jcastro> jono's doing all the booth coordination wrt. merch
[19:33] <jcastro> but he's gone until thursday, you'll want to catch him first thing
[19:34] <bkerensa> jcastro: what do you mean?
[19:34] <bkerensa> Why do I need to catch him? I'm confused
[19:35] <bkerensa> We have been doing calls about it... So unless something changed I think he knows what I need/hope for
[19:36] <bkerensa> I think at most I need to e-mail the shirt sizes to him this afternoon
[19:36] <jcastro> oh ok
[19:36] <jcastro> as long as you're already talking to him
[19:37] <bkerensa> jcastro: oh yeah we got four passes for community... I'm going to run the gig but he said he will also ask Canonical people to help fill gaps
[19:38] <bkerensa> we should have all the normal conf kit stuff + the big booth backdrop and other marketing stuff
[19:38] <bkerensa> jcastro: he said he was having juju stuff sent in
[19:51] <bkerensa> pleia2: if you can make it we will be having a doc team meeting at 3pm
[19:52] <pleia2> bkerensa: yep, it's on my calendar, thanks :)
[21:16] <daker> mhall119: did you saw my PM ?
[21:17] <mhall119> daker: from a couple days ago?
[21:25] <bkerensa> jcastro: you proposing a Juju BOF?
[22:16] <jcastro> maybe
[22:16] <jcastro> I have a charm school already, I might make it a normal server bof of somekind
[23:30] <bkerensa> jcastro: for the merch stuff is Jono still checking e-mail while he is away?


[00:00] <huwshimi_> :)
[00:04] <rick_h_> ah crap
[00:05] <huwshimi_> uh oh
[00:05] <rick_h_> huwshimi_: please go to your develop branch and do a sync from upstream develop
[00:05] <rick_h_> and QA the changes per your expected
[00:06] <rick_h_> I accidently pushed the cleanup to juju develop and so it's in there now
[00:06] <rick_h_> I'm running tests to make sure they're ok atm
[00:06] <rick_h_> but I cherry-picked things and want to make sure the fixes are still good for the css/etc
[00:07] <rick_h_> tests pass
[00:08] <rick_h_> hatch: still around?
[00:10] <huwshimi_> rick_h_: I think it's all good
[00:10] <rick_h_> huwshimi_: k, the diff in the commits look good
[00:10] <rick_h_> so going to call this closed
[00:10] <rick_h_> sorry for the mess up
[00:10] <rick_h_> my fault for trying to take a shortcut
[00:10] <rick_h_> since my network bandwidth is a trickle atm
[00:11] <rick_h_> huwshimi_: remind me next time we have a AU call to go through some techniques for helping with this
[00:11] <huwshimi_> rick_h_: OK great, thanks!
[00:12] <hatch> huwshimi_ I am
[00:12] <huwshimi_> rick_h_: ^
[00:12] <rick_h_> hatch: can you verify that develop QA's ok for you in safari for the bugs mentioned?
[00:12] <hatch> sure
[00:13] <hatch> rick_h_ I was wondering if we could use merge --squash or there is also a merge which doesn't use a merge commit for CI merging into develop
[00:14] <rick_h_> hatch: well he had 3 nice commits so I just updated develop, cherry picked the 3 revs, fixed on conflict
[00:14] <hatch> right, I am asking in more general terms
[00:14] <hatch> because we now get the 'real' commit and a merge commit
[00:14] <rick_h_> but when I pushed I tried to push to a new branch on juju `git push juju safari-bugfix-cleanup` but it went straight to develop :/
[00:14] <hatch> haha oops
[00:14] <rick_h_> yea :/
[00:17] <hatch> rick_h_ huwshimi_ qa looks good here
[00:18] <rick_h_> hatch: cool thanks for the check
[00:18] <rick_h_> huwshimi_: thanks for the updates. If you get a chance to check if it helps the FF issue I'd appreciate it
[00:18] <rick_h_> at least a yay/nay for fix so we can close the bug
[00:19] <hatch> rick_h_ have you looked at the git merge --squash flag to see if we can use it and not rebase?
[00:20] <hatch> and also use --ff
[00:20] <hatch> to make it not create a merge commit
[00:20] <hatch> just ideas - I don't reallly know if they will do what I think they do, but it would be cool if they did
[00:20] <rick_h_> hatch: I want to, have not yet
[00:20] <rick_h_> I know there's a pattern around this that's simple that we're missing but haven't had a chance to find it yet
[00:21] <hatch> ok np just wanted to see if it was on  your radar
[00:21] <hatch> the rebase seems to be causing peeps issues
[00:21] <rick_h_> yea, definitely
[00:21] <huwshimi_> rick_h_: I thought one of my other changes had fixed that bug, but it doesn't seem to be now (might be a different version of Firefox)
[00:21] <hatch> the GUI actually runs very well with safari
[00:21] <rick_h_> huwshimi_: k
[00:21] <hatch> really fast and smooth
[03:34] <hatch> huwshimi_ so do we now support Safari?
[03:35] <hatch> at least as far as the sandbox is concerned?
[03:42] <huwshimi_> hatch: Nope, need to get the export working as well.
[03:42] <hatch> ahh ok cool, so is that css card on the board done now too?
[03:43] <huwshimi_> hatch: Yeah, I guess that one is done now. It's already landed :)
[03:45] <hatch> cool, it'll be nice to support yet another browser
[03:45] <hatch> well....nice for others...lol
[03:51] <huwshimi_> hatch: Yeah, the testing matrix gets harder though
[03:52] <hatch> yup yup
[04:06] <rick_h_> adding support in CI should be pretty easy though
[11:09] <rick_h_> frankban: morning
[11:09] <frankban> morning rick_h_
[11:09] <rick_h_> frankban: got time to chat this morning?
[11:10] <frankban> rick_h_: sure
[11:11] <rick_h_> frankban: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpj3qusk9dek11oh8t82jcfo?authuser=1&hl=en
[12:05] <bac> rick_h_: how's the jetlag?  looks like you were up early again.
[12:43] <rick_h_> bac: yea, but this was intentional. Wanted to chat before I took the boy to day care
[12:43] <rick_h_> bac: but yea, I'm still an early guy though 6am is best yet :)
[12:50] <rick_h_> bac: when you get a sec wonder if we can chat.
[12:50] <bac> rick_h_: sure.  send me an invite
[12:51] <rick_h_> bac: k, give me a couple min thanks
[12:52] <rick_h_> bac: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpi3hmf68o8olj07cmo27r64?authuser=1&hl=en
[14:50] <hatch> so....systemd eh?
[14:50] <rick_h_> yep, we'll see how that goes
[14:52] <hatch> ugh
[14:53] <hatch> I'm not super educated on it, but it sure seems to me that upstart was the winnder technically
[14:53] <hatch> winner
[15:31]  * benji watches a 900K zip of the GUI charm being built in the browser.
[15:31] <rick_h_> wooooo!
[15:35] <hatch> benji right on! I'm a little jealous that you're working on that
[15:35] <hatch> :D
[15:35] <benji> :)
[15:35] <benji> it's been fun; a little slower than I had hoped, but fun
[15:36] <benji> now if I can just figure out this "RangeError: Offset is outside the bounds of the DataView" when the zip file is actually used, I'd be happy
[15:36] <hatch> hmm that does sound like an odd one
[15:37] <hatch> in other good news, you can now drop a zip onto the inspector too
[15:42] <hatch> oop someone got pulled over
[15:44] <hatch> has anyone ever 'played' Core Wars before?
[15:52] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 8
[15:54] <hatch___> does anyone know if we know what the series is once a charm has been deployed? The service model where I would expect it is absent - that could be because we don't populate it in the sandbox, but I'd like some confirmation that we have it before I spin up an env (if possible)
[15:55] <hatch___> apparently my ghost is hanging around heh
[15:55] <rick_h_> hatch___: hmm, well we have series info in the charm url?
[15:56] <rick_h_> hatch___: ah, but this is a local one I imagine?
[15:56] <benji> hatch: I played around with core wars a little a long time ago
[15:59] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 1
[16:05] <hatch> rick_h_ ahh right I can split the series out of the url, thanks I'll do that
[16:21] <hatch> benji yeah? I was trying to figure it out last night....I don't understand why you wouldn't just set a bomb after you move forward every time then just wait for the other warrior to hit it
[16:21] <bac> hey frankban, can you look at juju-deployer/charm.py for a sec?  at the end of _fetch_store_charm is he doing something clever or is it just a bug?
[16:22] <bac> frankban: it looks like he means to 'return self.config' but isn't
[16:22] <hatch> rick_h_ it looks like we handle the undefined default case in the databainding
[16:22] <frankban> bac: looking
[16:22] <hatch> databinding
[16:22] <benji> hatch: I don't remember enough about it to make a cogent response :)
[16:22] <hatch> so maybe we can do it
[16:22] <hatch> banji oh haha gotcha
[16:22] <rick_h_> hatch: right, but as a read. We don't have a way to write that or am I mistaken?
[16:22] <bac> banji: when benji plays a banjo
[16:23] <benji> heh
[16:26] <hatch> rick_h_ sorry just looking now
[16:27] <hatch> rick_h_ if the field is an input and it's '' then it returns it as null
[16:27] <hatch> this is of course not possible with a checkbox
[16:28] <rick_h_> hatch: interesting. maybe we're in better shape than we think then.
[16:28] <frankban> bac: it seems to me that line can be removed. it calls a property but I don't see any required side effects from that property
[16:28] <rick_h_> so we need to do something to test that null gets to an unset into the api call to core
[16:29] <bac> frankban: ok, but the _fetch_charm_store doesn't return anything.
[16:29] <hatch> right, you can see the code in utils:_getElementsValuesMapping()
[16:29] <hatch> sorry views/utils.js:_getElementsValuesMapping()
[16:29] <frankban> bac: it does not seems the caller really needs it to return something
[16:29] <rick_h_> hatch: cool, can you file a bug along those lines with the info you've got there?
[16:29] <rick_h_> and we can look into it
[16:30] <bac> frankban: i'd be more confident monkeying around with it if the method were tested...  :(
[16:30] <hatch> what's the title of the bug?
[16:30] <hatch> :)
[16:30] <hatch> unfortunately launchpad doesn't really have a 'task' bug type :)
[16:30] <rick_h_> hatch: juju gui doens't use juju unset for config updates
[16:30] <frankban> bac: agreed
[16:30] <hatch> sounds good
[16:30] <rick_h_> hatch: and put the notes in there and we can see what the actual diff needs to be to make it work.
[16:31] <hatch> well we'll need some type of UI element for the checkboxes regardless
[16:31] <hatch> but that might be ok...
[16:31] <rick_h_> hatch: well, can a checkbox be undefined? I think that's a big nuts
[16:31] <rick_h_> I mean it's a boolean
[16:31] <rick_h_>  /big/bit
[16:31] <hatch> if you define a config option as a boolean but don't give a default is it then undefined?
[16:32] <rick_h_> I think it should be a lint error tbh
[16:32] <hatch> marcoceppi ^
[16:34] <rick_h_> hatch: link to the bug when it's up and I'll send the email back to the thread so they can watch it
[16:38] <hatch> rick_h_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1279414
[16:38] <_mup_> Bug #1279414: The Juju GUI doesn't use juju unset for config updates <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279414>
[16:38] <rick_h_> hatch: thanks
[16:43] <hatch> jujugui can someone help me out with a regex to extract the series from "cs:precise/my-charm-name-12" ? I'm using splits right now but it's kind of ugly
[16:43] <benji> hatch: you rang?
[16:43] <benji> :)
[16:43] <rick_h_> lol, the charm model already has code to do this I thought
[16:43] <rick_h_> but benji is regex master
[16:43] <hatch> haha
[16:44] <hatch> rick_h_ I can look
[16:45] <hatch> rick_h_ doesn't look like it. The charm model has a series attribute, the service one does not
[16:45]  * marcoceppi reads back
[16:46] <hatch> marcoceppi see bug #1279414 as well plz
[16:46] <marcoceppi> hatch: rick_h_ in the proposal, only int and string can be undefined
[16:46] <_mup_> Bug #1279414: The Juju GUI doesn't use juju unset for config updates <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279414>
[16:46] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: cool, that makes sense then
[16:46] <marcoceppi> I explicitly stated that booleans must remain with a default of a boolean, or lint will throw an error
[16:46] <hatch> ok so then we are in a pretty good spot
[16:46] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: we've got a bug to verify and update to support the idea of unset.
[16:46] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so we'd ask that the policy not change until we can get it all setup. Next week probably
[16:46] <hatch> marcoceppi can a field be 'null' or are 'null' and unset the same?
[16:47] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: that's fine
[16:47] <marcoceppi> hatch: unset is just juju reverting to the default value
[16:47] <marcoceppi> so a default of null (python None) is a valid default for a configuration option
[16:47] <hatch> and so is an empty string?
[16:48] <marcoceppi> hatch: no, empty string is not None
[16:48] <hatch> I mean, it's a valid value
[16:48] <marcoceppi> hatch: correct
[16:48] <marcoceppi> default: "" is no problem, because you can juju set cfg=""
[16:48] <hatch> rick_h_ ^ so this means we need a separate UI element for 'reset' :/
[16:48] <marcoceppi> but you can't ever run juju set cfg=None
[16:49] <hatch> ahh our issue is that the UI does not let you set anything other than an empty string
[16:49] <rick_h_> hatch: well, it's what we're doing already though based on what you're saying. We need to test it and see what we're doing.
[16:49] <hatch> so right now we consider an empty string to be null
[16:50] <marcoceppi> so, that's why the policy in proof has always done strict type checking, if it's a string the default must be a string. Some charmers, *cough* james *cough* use default: null in charms to test if a config has been set, etc. Now that we have juju unset you can actually revert to a None (if it's the default value) so we're amending the rules to keep these people happy
[16:50] <hatch> rick_h_ right but from what I'm seeing here is that we are doing it incorrectly
[16:50] <rick_h_> hatch: because if we're already setting to null and no one's complained so far I kind of wonder how much is 'theoritical'
[16:50] <rick_h_> hatch: right
[16:51] <hatch> so we need a reset button :(
[16:51] <marcoceppi> Really each option should essentially have a reset to default, which would invoke either juju unset or some other fashion to put the value back to the default for that config option
[16:51] <hatch> marcoceppi right, that's just easier said than trying to find some UI to do that :D
[16:51] <marcoceppi> haha ;)
[16:52] <rick_h_> hatch: hangout on the way
[16:52] <marcoceppi> hatch: rick_h_ I can definintely keep the proof rules as it for now, but charms already exist with None defaults and it hasn't really messed up much
[16:52] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: right, cool
[16:52] <hatch> rick link? my phone answered it
[16:52] <rick_h_> hatch: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjdqgqe3robu1q9isu6kr2o?hl=en
[16:52] <marcoceppi> there's just no way to put it back to None
[16:52] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: gotcha
[17:08] <bac> hazmat: you around? Could you review https://codereview.appspot.com/52600045 (juju-deployer) when you get a chance?
[17:09] <rick_h_> bac: he's on vaca this week still I believe so might not hear back until next week
[17:10] <bac> rick_h_: ok.  well if i don't hear back by EoD i'll move my card out of the way, somewhere
[17:10] <rick_h_> bac: k, maybe get a review from frankban if he's able to at least get a sanity check
[17:10] <rick_h_> bac: and then it's just a landing issue?
[17:10] <bac> sure
[17:10] <bac> frankban: ^^
[17:11] <bac> frankban: i was also going to ask for a review of juju-gui charm https://codereview.appspot.com/61510051.  trivial change.
[17:11] <bac> frankban: but if you're eod i'll get someone else to look at it
[17:11] <frankban> bac: sure, I'll look at it, EOD in 50
[17:12] <bac> thanks frankban.  note there are two: charm and deployer
[17:12]  * bac lunches
[17:20] <hatch> benji hey so were you going to get me that regex? ;)
[17:22] <benji> hatch: I guess it turned out we didn't have a funciton to do that then.  Let's see... is the string always of that form?  I.e., is the "cs:" prefix always there?
[17:22] <hatch> yep
[17:23] <hatch> thanks :)
[17:24] <benji> hatch: > 'cs:precise/my-charm-name-12'.match(/[^:]*(?=\/)/)[0]
[17:24] <benji> 'precise'
[17:24] <hatch> nice :) now I wish I knew why that worked
[17:24] <hatch> :)
[17:25] <hatch> not anything before the :
[17:25] <benji> if JS had look-behind assertions it would have been a little simpler
[17:25] <benji> hatch: here's the explanation
[17:25] <rick_h_> [^:]* - find anything not a : and eat it up
[17:25] <rick_h_> ah, benji with the notes
[17:26] <benji> rick_h_: I was just setting up your explanation
[17:26] <hatch> lol
[17:27] <benji> [^:] means anything not a colon ([abc] means any of a b or c, the carat after the opening bracket means "not")
[17:27] <benji> * means zero or more, of course
[17:28] <benji> and then (?=XXX) is a forwar assertion that the next thing is XXX (but that next thing isn't included in the match)
[17:28] <benji> for XXX we want a forward slash, but it has to be escaped otherwise we would be ending the regex, so we have \/
[17:29] <benji> hatch: make sense?
[17:30] <hatch> it does thank!
[17:30] <hatch> s
[17:30] <hatch> I just don't write enough regex to get decent at it :)
[17:31] <benji> they're a little like APL, writing them isn't that hard once you get used to it, reading them is the real challenge
[17:32] <benji> here's some lunch time APL for all you fine folks out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4
[17:33] <hatch> haha oh boy APL
[17:42] <frankban> bac: https://codereview.appspot.com/61510051/ done
[17:49] <frankban> guihelp: I need two reviews for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/123 . anyone available? thanks!
[17:50] <hatch> I'll take it
[17:50] <hatch> take one
[17:52] <rick_h_> frankban: looking
[17:52] <frankban> hatch, rick_h_: thank you
[18:29] <frankban> bac: both reviews done. EOD have a nice evening
[18:30] <rick_h_> have a good night frankban
[18:31] <hatch> rick_h_ looks like selenium failed the safari tests
[18:31] <rick_h_> hatch: ah cool
[18:31] <hatch> and it's a full on blizzard here :/
[18:31] <rick_h_> hatch: :P
[18:32] <hatch> I WAS going to go work elsewhere today
[18:32] <hatch> not worth it now
[18:32] <hatch> lol
[18:32] <hatch> did you guys see the backup subordinate charm? Looks pretty cool
[18:33] <rick_h_> heard of it but not checked it out yet
[18:33] <hatch> I'll have to put some more time into it, but it -looks- like you can add it to any charm and if the charm is configured, will back it's contents up
[18:35] <rick_h_> hmm "attemped to assign to read only property"
[18:35] <rick_h_> is the failure that caused it to go boom
[18:36] <hatch> rick_h_ what's the full error message?
[18:37] <hatch> er
[18:37] <hatch> line it's on
[18:37] <hatch> sorry brain fade
[18:37] <rick_h_> hatch: bah, closed it. It's a pain to time the video at the right spot to get it
[18:37] <hatch> is it around the XHR stuff?
[18:37] <rick_h_> sec
[18:37] <hatch> sorry :)
[18:38]  * rick_h_ is going to feel like he needs to get an air if we support safari
[18:39] <rick_h_> "must cull removed services from the existing list"
[18:39] <rick_h_> assets/muodles.js line 8
[18:39] <rick_h_> "attempted to assign to readonly property"
[18:39] <rick_h_> from test_environment_view.js 1430
[18:39] <rick_h_> hatch: ^
[18:39] <hatch> looking
[18:40] <hatch> what the heck...
[18:40] <hatch> let me try and run the test suite in safari
[18:40] <hatch> give me a couple mins
[18:41] <rick_h_> k, all good. I'm moving the card back todo for now. I wanted to see if they would pass but not atm
[18:44] <hatch> rick_h_ I can reproduce, just trying to figure out the safari inspector to see how a custom var is readonly
[18:44] <hatch> the safari inspector is actually pretty cool
[18:45] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, should be close to chrome as it's webkitt based
[18:45] <hatch> all pretty colours and such lol
[18:45] <hatch> no it's entirely different odly enough
[18:45] <rick_h_> oh, it used to be close
[18:45] <rick_h_> oh well, shows how long it's been since I played on a mac
[18:46] <rick_h_> resolutoin on an air kind of stinks :/
[18:46] <hatch> yeah, I'm guessing they might upgrade it on the next update...but then it'll take a battery life hit and be hard to choose the MBP13"
[18:46] <hatch> I think that's why they haven't updated it
[18:47] <rick_h_> the xps 13 has 1920 and hours of battery life
[18:47] <hatch> because the MBP13" is really just a big air
[18:47] <hatch> I've never come anywhere close to Dell's advertised battery life
[18:47] <rick_h_> was just looking at reviews
[18:47] <rick_h_> so they were review results but yea
[18:47] <rick_h_> not "rick hard at work" results
[18:47] <hatch> haha yeah, this MBP battery life is garbage
[18:48] <hatch> they do the tests 'playing video' which this thing lasts almost 11H on a charge
[18:48] <hatch> open IRC? 5h
[18:48] <hatch> lol
[18:48] <hatch> I think it's the wifi
[18:48] <hatch> anyways - I see the problem
[18:49] <hatch> it's that we are trying to assign a value to a property which is undefined
[18:49] <rick_h_> cool, well no rush. Just was curious
[18:49] <rick_h_> lol, go us
[18:49] <hatch> so 'undefined' is read-only in strict mode
[18:50] <hatch> rick_h_ I'll add the details to the card and then get to fixing it after this local charm stuff
[18:51] <rick_h_> hatch: cool. Yea it's lower priority but seems we're almost there so would be cool to have
[18:53] <hatch> rick_h_ updated with details
[18:53] <hatch> looks like it's the only test failure though
[18:53] <rick_h_> hatch: thanks
[18:53] <hatch> so yay
[18:53] <rick_h_> well it only ran some 48% of the tests before stopping
[18:53] <rick_h_> hatch: did the rest run for you?
[18:54] <hatch> rick_h_ yes it completed the run and it was the only failure
[18:54] <rick_h_> hatch: oh, very cool then
[18:54] <hatch> took about 50s
[18:54] <rick_h_> like I was saying, we're darn close
[18:54] <rick_h_> yay
[18:54] <hatch> which is the fastest of any browser
[18:54] <hatch> impressive
[18:54] <rick_h_> hmm, 13" air looks nice except for resolution.
[18:55] <hatch> yeah that's what drove me into the Pro line....then the 13" pro was overpriced imho, so... yeah
[18:55] <hatch> save the money and defer the OSX work to huw brad or I :)
[18:56] <rick_h_> heh, I don't like not being able to test/qa/support
[18:56] <rick_h_> makes me feel icky
[18:56] <rick_h_> but yea, it'd be a second laptop. Not going to go there full time so it's almost like having a tablet around
[18:56] <rick_h_> something to load/qa once in a while and requires fitting in the backpack with everything else
[18:57] <rick_h_> ok, running off. early mornings still here. Have fun all. Thanks for looking into that hatch
[18:58] <hatch> have a good one
[19:00] <bac> jujugui: what is our stance wrt to MaaS support?  there is one MaaS-specific juju constraint that i'm on the fence whether the GUI should support or not. thoughts?
[19:00] <hatch> bac can you use the gui on maas?
[19:01] <hatch> like deploy services and the like?
[19:01] <bac> hatch: unsure
[19:01] <hatch> hmm who would know...
[19:01] <bac> i've never played with maas
[19:01] <hatch> yeah that makes two of us
[19:01]  * bac doesn't have a garage full of hardware
[19:01]  * bac doesn't have a garage
[19:01] <hatch> hazmat are you around?
[19:01] <bac> hazmat is supposedly out until monday
[19:02] <hatch> ohh ok, umm
[19:02] <bac> hatch: i'm inclined to just leave it out until proven we need it
[19:02] <hatch> is it harder to add in later?
[19:03] <hatch> I just asked in #juju-dev
[19:07] <hatch> bac looks like marcoceppi does/has so it's probably a good idea to include it
[19:07] <marcoceppi> bac: hatch we're using it in orangebox, so it'd be good to include
[19:07] <bac> hatch: it is just a matter of adding 'tags' to ALLOWED_CONSTRAINTS
[19:08] <bac> alrighty, i'll throw it in.
[19:08] <hatch> marcoceppi am I supposed to know what orangebox is? I just think Halflife :)
[19:09] <bac> hatch, marcoceppi: on second thought i will not include tag support now and here is why:
[19:09] <hatch> oh halflife
[19:10] <bac> there is an outstanding issue with juju gui in that it expects constraints to be a comma-separated list whereas it should be space-separated.  the tag list is comma-separated.  so we can't support them until the GUI constraints parser is fixed.  i may take that up this afternoon.  but until then it would blow up
[19:10] <hatch> ahh ok
[19:15] <rick_h_> bac: what's the constraint?
[19:15] <bac> tags=a,b,c
[19:15] <rick_h_> yea, if it's something we can support easily then we should.  Let's file a bug on the maas constraint and make that a follow up
[19:17] <rick_h_> if we've got fixes for the more common uses then let's get that out.
[19:17] <bac> rick_h_: alternatively i can add it to the constraint parsing bug.  can be done easily at the same time
[19:17] <rick_h_> bac: sounds good
[19:17] <bac> support for the other tags is landing now
[19:17] <rick_h_> I just want to make sure we've got it noted before your EOD so we don't lose track with you gone
[19:29] <bac> added to card
[19:40] <hatch> pfft
[19:50] <hatch> functional js is da bomb
[19:50] <hatch> holy does it make testing easy...tedious but easy :)
[20:19] <benji> jujugui: how do I get version 1.18.0 (or greater) of juju? (so I can deploy local charms)
[20:19] <hatch> benji 1.17.3
[20:19] <hatch> has it
[20:19] <hatch> what version are you using?
[20:20] <benji> so the error message the GUI generates is wrong?  "Your version of Juju does not support local charm uploads. Please use at least version 1.18.0."
[20:20] <benji> 1.16.5
[20:20] <hatch> benji no the 1.17.x series is the dev releases
[20:20] <hatch> so that says that because that's going to be the first stable release with it
[20:20] <hatch> ok so you need to add the dev ppa of juju
[20:20] <benji> ah (man, I hate that versioning scheme: "no, you're not as cool as the kernel, you don't get to do even/odd")
[20:20] <hatch> so that you can upgrade
[20:20] <hatch> lol node also does the even odd thing
[20:21] <hatch> you can also build from source which is really easy, but adding the ppa is easier :)
[20:21] <hatch> you can also switch back and forth using apt easy
[20:21] <benji> hatch: do you have a pointer to the ppa?  or a pointer to the pointer?
[20:21] <hatch> benji let me shell into my server and find out
[20:21] <hatch> one sec
[20:22] <hatch> ok maybe it's odd
[20:22] <hatch> off
[20:22] <hatch> it'll be a couple minutes now
[20:22] <hatch> lol
[20:22] <hatch> sorry
[20:23] <benji> no rush, thanks
[20:26] <hatch> hmm now that it's on I can't ssh into it :/ bleh
[20:28] <benji> :(
[20:28] <benji> I'll try my Google fu.
[20:28] <hatch> it got stuck on the grub loader
[20:30] <benji> ppa:juju/devel
[20:33] <hatch> benji try http://ppa.launchpad.net/juju/devel/ubuntu
[20:33] <hatch> yeah
[20:33] <hatch> :)
[20:33] <hatch> sorry something happened took me a bit to get it straightened out
[20:34] <hatch> not sure why it was so messed
[20:47] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/253926/error-invalid-options-specification-options-staging-type
[20:47] <jcastro> anyone know what's up with this?
[21:03] <bac> rick_h_: i've moved my juju-deployer card to 'landing' since it got a good review from frankban and hazmat will land it if he approves.
[21:04] <rick_h_> bac: rgr
[21:04] <rick_h_> jcastro: looking, staging is a config flag
[21:04] <rick_h_> jcastro: wonder if something is up in the type of the default value on that or something
[21:05] <rick_h_> hmm, actually staging is removed now.
[21:06] <bac> jcastro: that question is a year old.  i'd guess it is invalid now.
[21:07] <rick_h_> oh heh! I thought it was just yesterday. Missed the year
[21:07] <bac> a year and a day
[21:07] <rick_h_> jcastro: so yea, that's old, and the config issues there don't apply any more.
[21:08] <bac> jujugui: i'm done today.  see (some of you) on monday.
[21:08] <rick_h_> bac: have a good weekend!
[21:08] <hatch> cya bac
[21:10] <Makyo> Need a pre-push hook.
[21:11] <rick_h_> Makyo: yea
[21:12] <rick_h_> Makyo: there's also an issue as I introduced a lint error helping with huw's branch stuff last night so part of it is my fault :/
[21:12] <Makyo> rick_h_, oh, in browser-tabview?
[21:12] <rick_h_> Makyo: frankban's branch has a fix for it but didn't get landed
[21:12] <rick_h_> Makyo: yes
[21:12] <Makyo> rick_h_, alright, thanks.
[21:13] <rick_h_> Makyo: yea, sorry about that.
[21:27] <hatch> Makyo you should be able to set up an alias for yourself :)
[21:27] <Makyo> hatch, yeah. Though it sounds like there are hooks for that in newer versions.  Or I could use pre-commit
[21:28] <hatch> pre-commit might be irritating if you ever commit wip's
[21:28] <Makyo> Yeah.
[21:40] <hatch> one...more....test
[21:50] <Makyo> Woo.  jujugui small position branch: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/124
[21:51] <hatch> w000
[21:57] <hatch> Makyo I can do the review in a bit if noone else gets to it first
[21:57] <hatch> just trying to get mine finished up
[21:57] <Makyo> hatch, cool, no big deal.
[22:02] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:10] <hatch> jujugui looking for a review/qa on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/125 plz and thanks
[22:10] <hatch> huwshimi morning
[22:10] <Makyo> hatch, on it.
[22:11] <hatch> thanks
[22:23] <Makyo> hatch, see the changes to browser-tabview in either frankban's or my PR to get CI to pass.
[22:24] <hatch> jujugui new critical bug regression https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1279550
[22:24] <Makyo> Once the first lands, the others won't have diff/conflict
[22:24] <_mup_> Bug #1279550: Changing service units disables input field <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279550>
[22:25] <hatch> Makyo ohh ok I'll add that to my version as well
[22:26] <hatch> bad bad pplz
[22:28] <huwshimi> Makyo: What did I break?
[22:28] <Makyo> huwshimi, nothing, I think?  Just a lint problem with 84 char line.
[22:28] <rick_h_> huwshimi: my fault when I did the bad merge last night
[22:28] <huwshimi> Ah
[22:35] <Makyo> hatch, will get to review in a second. Dog problems, gotta walk it off.
[22:36] <rick_h_> hatch: create an urgent card and we can take a look tomorrow. Should be something small/simple I'd imagine.
[22:37] <rick_h_> hatch: thanks for catching
[22:37] <hatch> rick_h_ already did
[22:37] <hatch> :)
[22:37] <hatch> rick_h_ this is the third time this has regressed
[22:37] <hatch> we need more tests lol
[22:37] <hatch> Makyo sure no rush
[22:39] <rick_h_> hatch: +1
[22:39] <hatch> ok now to fix this test failure
[22:39] <hatch> at about 20% I noticed that I had been working all afternoon on battery power
[22:39] <hatch> heh
[22:42] <hatch> Makyo ohh it's trunk that's broken not my branch
[22:42] <hatch> ok I'll wait until yours lands
[22:57] <hatch> EOD'ing for a bit, will bbiab
[23:36] <hatch> all the pictures of NC look like it does here :)
[23:38] <rick_h_> of NC?
[23:50] <hatch> north carolina
[23:51] <hatch> rick_h_ ^
[23:51] <hatch> I think we have 5" of snow today
[23:52] <hatch> they say people are just leaving their cars on the freeway... my question... why did you get on the freeway haha?


[00:36] <sinzui> thumper-afk, wallyworld_ CI cannot make a tarball for r2283. The error here implies Lp or goyaml project is borked. http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/prepare-new-version/960/console
[00:36] <sinzui> ^ I cannot make sense of it
[00:36] <wallyworld_> let me look
[00:38] <wallyworld_> i blame lp
[00:38] <wallyworld_> the last commit to trunk was back in nov i think
[00:39] <sinzui> I agree
[00:39]  * thumper is back
[00:40] <sinzui> I can branch that though
[00:40] <wallyworld_> sinzui: maybe just retry? could be transient?
[00:41] <sinzui> I did two reties, but I am doing a 3rd since I can see the branch
[00:41] <sinzui> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/prepare-new-version/961/console
[00:41] <wallyworld_> this time tomb is borked
[00:42] <sinzui> I just branched tomb as well
[00:43] <sinzui> what!
[00:43] <sinzui> wallyworld_, This is my rapid rebuild: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/prepare-new-version/962/console
[00:43]  * sinzui finds an old-fashioned losa
[00:43] <wallyworld_> wtf
[00:45] <sinzui> I have have several rebuilds now and the failures are always a random Lp branch
[00:49] <sinzui> wallyworld_, I am going to let CI rest. Lp is have bazaar issues. random 503s for branches that are fine
[00:49] <wallyworld_> ok
[00:50] <wallyworld_> sinzui: did someone ask you about a 1.17.2 release?
[00:50] <sinzui> Yeah
[00:50] <wallyworld_> would be easier if lp worked
[00:50] <thumper> sinzui: y u break lp?
[00:51] <sinzui> Local deploy hasn't passed in 7 days though, and and azure is doesn't work either
[00:51] <thumper> sinzui: well that is fucked up
[00:51] <thumper> I wish I knew what was going on there
[00:51] <thumper> I deployed to local on trusty today :-(
[00:52] <wallyworld_> it worked?
[00:52] <thumper> yes
[00:52]  * thumper think
[00:52] <wallyworld_> i must retry that
[00:52]  * thumper tries
[00:57] <thumper> wallyworld_:sinzui, yes just deployed the ubuntu charm locally successfully
[00:58] <hazmat> do addresses need to be defined up front when adding machines to state, or can they be detected at runtime by the machine agent?
[01:10] <axw> thumper: does rsyslogd create /var/log/juju-${namespace} if it doesn't exist...?
[01:10] <axw> I can't see a mkdir for it
[01:10] <thumper> axw: i believe it should
[01:10] <axw> mk
[01:13] <hazmat> thumper, can proxy values be set at runtime?
[01:13] <thumper> hazmat: yes
[01:13] <hazmat> axw, do addresses need to be defined up front when adding machines to state via inject machine, or can they be detected at runtime by the machine agent?
[01:13] <hazmat> cool
[01:13] <axw> hazmat: they can be detected, but if you do that there's no guarantee about which one will be "public"
[01:13] <axw> so dns-name in status may show up some interface you don't want
[01:14] <axw> s/can/will/
[01:15] <axw> hazmat: I made a change just yesterday to the manual provider to record the bootstrap-host as public
[01:15] <axw> for that reason
[01:18] <axw> thumper: is there a reason not to change MachineConfig.LogDir, and not hard-code the /var/log/juju${namespace} in log/syslog?
[01:18] <hazmat> axw, hmm. ic. thanks. the notion of public and private in a private cloud is a bit wonky.
[01:18] <thumper> axw: yes there is a reason
[01:18] <axw> hazmat: indeed
[01:18] <thumper> axw: but on a call right now with waigani
[01:19] <axw> ok
[01:32] <davecheney> hey, did I hear that deploying to hp cloud was fixed ?
[02:11] <sinzui> I added a jackhammer to CI. It will try harder to get the branches from Lp. r2283 is being tested now
[02:20] <hazmat> davecheney, got a minute to help out with a golang cross compile setup?
[02:21] <hazmat> davecheney, also does go support aarm64?
[02:22] <hazmat> er t242-servergroup0002s:
[02:22] <hazmat> er.. aarch64
[02:48] <davecheney> hazmat: ack
[02:48] <davecheney> golang-go does not support aarch64
[02:48] <davecheney> if you are using trusty
[02:48] <davecheney> install gccgo-go
[02:49] <sinzui> I have more info on bug 1274780. postfix cannot be setup on the unit because the unit's host name doesn't appear to be sane
[02:49] <_mup_> Bug #1274780: Wordpress charm no longer works with local deploy. <charms> <ci> <local-provider> <lxc> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274780>
[02:57] <hazmat> davecheney, hmm
[02:57] <thumper> sinzui: I commented on that bug
[02:57] <thumper> according to the RFC, dash is a valid hostname character
[02:58] <sinzui> A leading dash is valid?
[02:58] <davecheney> hazmat: yeah, mwd is working on the aarch64 support in gccgo
[02:58] <davecheney> thumper: i think it cannot be the first character
[02:59] <davecheney> experts-exchange.com << all good
[02:59] <davecheney> -expertsexchange.com << not good
[03:01] <thumper> we don't have leading dashes though do we?
[03:01] <thumper> ah... -local-machine-1
[03:02] <thumper> the local provider grabs $USER I think
[03:02] <thumper> let me look
[03:02] <davecheney> ah
[03:02] <davecheney> $USER-local-machine-1
[03:02] <thumper> namespace = fmt.Sprintf("%s-%s", os.Getenv("USER"), cfg.Name())
[03:03] <thumper> sinzui: how are you running this?
[03:03] <thumper> why is there no USER env var?
[03:04] <sinzui> thumper, CI runs it
[03:04] <thumper> sinzui: sure... how?
[03:04] <thumper> CI isn't running like a user would
[03:04] <thumper> so we need to fix CI
[03:04] <thumper> to behave like a user
[03:04] <thumper> that also means having a valid environement
[03:05] <sinzui> thumper, This script is calling juju during the test of the env named local http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-qa/juju-core/ci-cd-scripts2/view/head:/deploy_stack.py
[03:06] <thumper> ok, so what is the environment the script is running under?
[03:07] <davecheney> thumper: if juju requires a $USER to be set
[03:07] <davecheney> then it should abort
[03:07] <davecheney> bigjools: see what I did there
[03:07] <thumper> davecheney: agreed
[03:07] <davecheney> thumper: i think this might also be an issue during cloud init bootstrap
[03:07] <sinzui> thumper, jenkins run a bash script that sets JUJU_HOME (which is not entirely honored) then destroys anything left behind by a previous test, then calls ^ that script to bootstrap deploy and status
[03:08] <davecheney> sinzui: i'm having problems making saucy environments in HP cloud
[03:08] <davecheney> i heard that there was an known issue
[03:08] <davecheney> is this true ?
[03:08] <thumper> sinzui: ok, we can get around this by adding "USER=jenkins-ci" to the environment
[03:08] <sinzui> I have heard that, I have not test it
[03:08] <thumper> in the same place you set JUJU_HOME
[03:09] <thumper> but I do agree with davecheney
[03:09] <thumper> juju should abort if it isn't set
[03:09] <sinzui> I think it is set
[03:09] <sinzui> jenkins@juju-juju-ci-machine-1:~$ echo $USER
[03:09] <sinzui> jenkins
[03:10] <sinzui> thumper, the charm only fails in local-deploy. 1.16.5 deploys it locally. So to other clouds, and the charm has not changed in a month
[03:10] <thumper> sinzui: but CI has changed
[03:10] <thumper> it works fine for me
[03:11] <thumper> I can tell you that the process that is running juju doesn't have $USER set
[03:11] <sinzui> You are a developer with taited setup
[03:11] <thumper> that is why the name starts with a -
[03:11] <thumper> it may be because the environment is being overridden when it shells out
[03:11] <thumper> I don't know
[03:11] <thumper> what I do know
[03:11] <thumper> is that it isn't set
[03:12] <davecheney> sinzui: I can confirm as of 12 hours ago I could not make saucy environments in HP cloud
[03:12] <sinzui> I am forcing a built with an exported USER
[03:12] <thumper> is there any way we can hook into the bit that calls juju
[03:12] <thumper> to see what $USER is?
[03:14] <sinzui> . o (sudo was set to pass the env, sudo is not used anymore)
[03:15] <axw> thumper: how did this work before? we used $USER before too...?
[03:15] <sinzui> davecheney, WTF, where is https://region-a.geo-1.objects.hpcloudsvc.com/v1/60502529753910/juju-dist/tools
[03:16] <davecheney> i have no idea
[03:16] <thumper> axw: you may make me go look, but check blame
[03:16] <davecheney> i was using --upload-tools so I didn't notice
[03:16] <thumper> I think it looked at SUDO_USER
[03:17] <sinzui> davecheney, typo. I have got to get sleep
[03:18] <axw> thumper: pretty sure it used $USER, but I'll double check
[03:18] <thumper> axw: well, it worked before :)
[03:18] <axw> thumper: ah, it used $USER and then $SUDO_USER if $USER wasn't set...
[03:18] <sinzui> davecheney, I see the tools are in place, but have you lost os images?
[03:19] <axw> or rather, if it was root
[03:19]  * sinzui sees that trusty is not an option on hp
[03:20] <thumper> sinzui: and now there is no fallback to check on the SUDO_USER so it is empty
[03:20] <sinzui> thumper I award you a star ✶
[03:20] <sinzui> Alas jenkins was so excited by the success it fell over and is reseting the tests, damn it
[03:21] <axw> I think we can just fall back to using os/user
[03:21] <axw> seems odd not to have $USER set though.
[03:23] <davecheney> sinzui: we don't have trusty support anywhere
[03:23] <davecheney> but if you can get a saucy macine
[03:23] <davecheney> you can upgrade it
[03:24] <sinzui> davecheney, You have a brilliant suggestion. We test trusty on aws and caonistack. azure has it too,
[03:24] <davecheney> sinzui: to make trusty work we need two things
[03:25] <davecheney> 1. juju has to understand trusty as a series
[03:25] <davecheney> i'm looking for the magic constant now
[03:25] <davecheney> 2. we have to have trusty images avaialble in simple streams
[03:25] <axw> thumper: would you like me to fix this one, or are you doing it already?
[03:25] <davecheney> i'm guessing that happens at alpah 1
[03:25] <sinzui> dave 2. is true alpha two
[03:25] <thumper> axw: fix what?
[03:26] <axw> thumper: things not working if $USER not set
[03:26] <thumper> axw: can you?
[03:26] <axw> yes, I think so
[03:26] <davecheney> cloudinit/sshinit/configure_test.go
[03:26] <davecheney> 74:var allSeries = [...]string{"precise", "quantal", "raring", "saucy"}
[03:26] <davecheney> ^ we have a lot of these magic constants
[03:29]  * davecheney fixes
[03:33] <sinzui> davecheney, I think the simplestreams module also defines that, then overrides it with the data from /usr/share/distro-info/ubuntu.csv
[03:36] <davecheney> simplestreams does define trusty, i wonder where other places do not
[03:36] <davecheney> sinzui: to clarify, suacy on HP appears broken, should I raise a bug ?
[03:37] <sinzui> yes
[03:37] <thumper> sinzui: are you coming to cape town?
[03:38] <sinzui> Yes, thumper
[03:38] <davecheney> sinzui: ok
[03:39] <sinzui> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-f0k620Vg
[03:39] <thumper> sinzui: I can't remember, do you drink alcohol?
[03:39] <thumper> sinzui: if so, I'll get you a drink for all the CI work :)
[03:39] <thumper> if not, then geez
[03:39] <thumper> water
[03:39] <sinzui> thumper, Most when trying to use windows, otherwise a beer does me well
[03:41]  * thumper fixes two of the remaining proxy issues
[03:41] <thumper> man my triceps hurt today
[03:41] <thumper> I thought that boxing gave them a good workout
[03:42] <thumper> but yesterday I took my first Gracie Jiu-Jitsu class
[03:42] <thumper> very different muscles uses
[03:42] <thumper> used
[03:56] <thumper> axw, wallyworld_: https://code.launchpad.net/~thumper/juju-core/remove-container-special-proxy/+merge/204152
[03:57] <axw> heading out for lunch in a few minutes, will take a look when I get back
[03:57] <wallyworld_> looking
[04:11]  * thumper EOWs and goes to pack
[07:11] <dimitern> bac, hey, are you still there?
[07:59] <axw> wallyworld_: would you mind taking a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/58140044/?
[07:59] <wallyworld_> sure
[08:00] <wallyworld_> i did see that one and meant to do it but forgot
[08:00] <axw> nps
[08:00] <axw> I forgot about it myself :)
[09:58] <wallyworld_> fwereade: hi, i have a fix for the instance type selection. now selects 1024MB instance by default on canonistack (not 512MB) and constraints which cannot be satisfied eg cpu-cores=9000 are rejected https://codereview.appspot.com/58950043/
[09:58] <fwereade> wallyworld_, *sweet*
[09:59] <fwereade> wallyworld_, I will try to take a look today but am uncomfortably aware of a bunch of SA prep I am behind on
[09:59] <wallyworld_> i added extra tests which illustrate the behaviour, seems to ll work ok
[09:59] <wallyworld_> yeah. np. i won't land till you look, can wait till next week
[10:00] <TheMue> fwereade: this is the current debug-log after the reimplementation, review by roger and changes based on that
[10:01] <TheMue> fwereade: we decided to filter now with regexp, and it's really nice
[10:01] <fwereade> TheMue, I direct the honourable gentleman to my previous response
[10:01] <TheMue> fwereade: already played with it yesterday
[10:01] <fwereade> TheMue, cool
[10:02] <TheMue> fwereade: eh, that link was missing https://codereview.appspot.com/58510045/ ;)
[10:04] <TheMue> fwereade: SA means South Africa?
[10:05] <fwereade> TheMue, yeah
[10:07] <TheMue> fwereade: will surely be an interesting trip. but also exhausting. mine next week is shorter, only flying to munich to give talks about juju and golang.
[10:51] <fwereade> dimitern, rogpeppe1: standup?
[10:52] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: 3 mins
[11:12] <TheMue> fwereade, rogpeppe1: could it be that the Environment of state stores the name of the env, but doesn't provide an accessor?
[11:18] <hazmat> what's provider-safe-mode do?
[11:20] <hazmat> oh.. its the  don't kill instances
[11:43] <TheMue> fwereade or rogpeppe1: when using the local provider, nothing is written into its all-machines.log. is this a known problem or only a local problem with rsyslog?
[11:49]  * TheMue looks around in the channel. no one here?
[11:50] <TheMue> fwereade: ping
[11:50] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: ping
[11:50] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: we're in the standup
[11:50] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: still? ok
[11:51] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: thx for info, i'll be patient. ;)
[12:16] <bac> hi dimitern
[12:18] <dimitern> hey bac
[12:19] <dimitern> bac, i commented on the bug
[12:19] <bac> hi dimitern, i've just read your bug report.
[12:20] <bac> i'll try to isolate the problem and update the bug if i discover anything new.  thanks for looking at it.
[12:21] <dimitern> sure
[12:22] <bac> dimitern: your testing was on trusty?
[12:23] <dimitern> bac, i'm on saucy and I've been deploying on precise
[12:23] <bac> dimitern: thanks
[12:33] <natefinch> fwereade, rogpeppe1, mgz, dimitern:  Morning guys, sorry I missed the standup.  Overslept.  Zoë was up every hour last night :/
[12:33] <dimitern> natefinch, morning ;)
[13:23]  * TheMue needs help with local provider
[13:23] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: ended standup?
[13:24] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, review poke, when you can pls
[13:24] <dimitern> TheMue, what's the issue?
[13:25] <TheMue> dimitern: the bootstrap environment creates its all-machines.log but the data of machine-0.log isn't written into it
[13:25] <TheMue> dimitern: the rsyslog config looks good so far (as I can tell)
[13:26] <dimitern> TheMue, maybe syslog is not running?
[13:27] <dimitern> TheMue, there's a syslog-port in the env.yaml you can set (and a default is used otherwise)
[13:27] <TheMue> dimitern: thx, will try. rsyslogd is running
[13:29] <fwereade> dimitern, mgz, rogpeppe1, hazmat: sorry, I need to go out for a bit -- is it better for me to be late, or for us all to push the meeting back 30 mins?
[13:30] <fwereade> please confer amongst yourselves
[13:30] <dimitern> fwereade, i'm ok pushing it 30m
[13:32] <hazmat> sounds good
[13:35] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: sgtm
[13:42] <dimitern> natefinch, updated https://codereview.appspot.com/54680045/
[13:44] <ahasenack> guys, any idea what's up with this error while bootstrapping on aws?
[13:44] <ahasenack> 2014-01-31 13:42:36 WARNING juju.environs open.go:258 failed to write bootstrap-verify file: cannot make S3 control bucket: A conflicting conditional operation is currently in progress against this resource. Please try again.
[13:44] <ahasenack> 2014-01-31 13:42:36 ERROR juju supercommand.go:282 provider storage is not writable
[13:44] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: pong
[13:45] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: (finally! sorry)
[13:45] <natefinch> dimitern: looking
[13:46] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: do you no any reason why no data is written into all-machines.log at the local provider? it is created by syslog
[13:47] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: all-machines.log is at a different file path in the local provider
[13:47] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: hence my comment on your review
[13:48] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: yeah, sure, I know
[13:48] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: I talk about the all-machines.log of the local provider
[13:48] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: it is created at its right place below ~/.juju/<env>/log/
[13:48] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: but empty
[13:49] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: while e.g. machine-0.log contains data (which should be aggregated then)
[13:50]  * TheMue is happy that at least testing with local provider is by far faster than with EC2 :)
[13:51] <natefinch> dimitern: if the charm packaging code you put into the apiserver is basically a copy of the code in the charm package.... could we not just reference the charm package code here?
[13:51] <dimitern> natefinch, no, fwereade wants them separate
[13:52] <dimitern> natefinch, most of these are unexported helpers
[13:52] <dimitern> natefinch, and exporting them is not an option
[13:52] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: i'm afraid i don't know why - i'd have to look into the code
[13:53] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: it might be something to do with the address that containers are putting into the syslog configs
[13:53] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: ok, thx, only asked if somebody may made the same experience
[13:53] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: i've not looked actually
[13:54] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: one mo, i'll see if it happens on my machine
[13:54] <dimitern> ahasenack, did you retry successfully?
[13:54] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: I'll continue investigating
[13:54] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: ta
[13:55] <ahasenack> dimitern: no
[13:55] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: i don't see any all-machines.log in my local env/log file
[13:55] <rogpeppe1> s/file/dir/
[13:55] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: but that may be an old juju version
[13:55] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: let me try with trunk
[13:55] <dimitern> ahasenack, if retrying doesn't help, file a bug please?
[13:57] <rogpeppe1> anyone remember how to fix the gobot when there's an exclusive lock that it's blocked on?
[13:57] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, yep
[13:57] <ahasenack> dimitern: ok
[13:57] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, kill the mongo and delete its sock file from tmp
[13:57] <rogpeppe1> it's been moribund since 7am this morning
[13:57] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: ok, thanks
[13:57] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: I'm using one near trunk. location is $HOME/.juju/$JUJU_ENV/log/all-machines.log
[13:58] <rogpeppe1> ha, i wonder what happens if you name your local environment "environments"
[14:06] <hazmat> dimitern, hangout for that meeting?
[14:07] <dimitern> hazmat, none created, we can reuse the standup one - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/am9obi5tZWluZWxAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.mf0d8r5pfb44m16v9b2n5i29ig
[14:07] <hazmat> argh.. not allowed to join call.
[14:08] <dimitern> fwereade, rogpeppe1, mgz, ^^ (it's in 20ish minutes)
[14:08] <dimitern> hazmat, can you do now? i invited you
[14:09] <hazmat> dimitern, yup that works thanks
[14:09] <hazmat> nice empty room :-)
[14:10] <dimitern> hazmat, it's not on for 20 more minutes
[14:11] <ahasenack> dimitern: turns out a bug about it already exists: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1183571
[14:11] <_mup_> Bug #1183571: A conflicting conditional operation... <cmdline> <hours> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183571>
[14:11] <dimitern> ahasenack, hmm it seems intermittent and region-specific
[14:31] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/am9obi5tZWluZWxAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.mf0d8r5pfb44m16v9b2n5i29ig?authuser=1
[14:31] <rogpeppe1> fqw
[14:55] <mramm> sinzui: any news on the possibility of 1.17.2 release with the lxc bridge fix and the MAAS metadata fix?
[14:56] <sinzui> mramm, I selected r2285 this hour and am writing the release notes
[14:56] <sinzui> mramm, Azure is very brittle and I may note that in the note for the release
[14:57] <sinzui> If r2286 passes this hour, I will use it instead
[15:01] <mramm> nice
[15:01] <mramm> thanks
[15:01] <mramm> sinzui: you rock
[15:02] <TheMue> sinzui: he, found a solution for the local debug-log
[15:02] <TheMue> sinzui: s/he/ha
[15:03] <TheMue> sinzui: if all-machines.log now would contain data too it would be fine
[15:05] <dimitern> fwereade, are any of metadata.yaml, config.yaml and revision optional for a charm?
[15:05] <sinzui> TheMue, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1270671 says it is fix committed
[15:05] <_mup_> Bug #1270671: local provider all-machines.log is empty  <juju-core:Fix Committed by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270671>
[15:05] <fwereade> dimitern, pretty sure config is optional
[15:05] <sinzui> TheMue, It is in today's release
[15:05] <fwereade> dimitern, and in theory revision is, sort of
[15:05] <TheMue> sinzui: fantastic
[15:06] <dimitern> fwereade, ok, so only metadata is mandatory
[15:06] <fwereade> dimitern, although that's something we should fix as it comes in, and Ithink the charm package handles that anyway
[15:06] <fwereade> dimitern, yeah, missing config is fine, missing revision is sorta fine but we should fix it aswe repack
[15:06] <dimitern> fwereade, ok
[15:24] <TheMue> sinzui: hmm, it changed into a symlink in /var/log/..., but is still empty *sigh*
[15:24] <TheMue> sinzui: just merged trunk
[15:25] <sinzui> :(
[15:29] <TheMue> sinzui: oh, stop, strange, it's only missing machine-0. machine-1 and unit-... are now added
[15:30] <sinzui> That is odd
[15:31] <TheMue> sinzui: and my debug-log works locally *yippieh*
[15:35] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, btw I'm still getting godeps: cannot parse "dependencies.tsv": cannot parse "github.com/loggo/loggo\tgit\t89458b4dc99692bc24efe9c2252d7587f8dc247b\t": unknown VCS kind "git" after pulling the latest godeps
[15:35] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: go get -u launchpad.net/godeps
[15:35] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, I did
[15:36] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, and then I went in $GOPATH/src/...godeps and did bzr pull - same issue
[15:36] <dimitern> (it said no revisions to pull)
[15:36] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: what revno do you get in the godeps dir?
[15:36] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: try rm -r the godeps dir, then go get it again
[15:36] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, rev 10
[15:37] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, ha! it appears to have moved from ~rogpeppe/godeps/trunk
[15:37] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: ah
[15:37] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: rev 14 is the latest
[15:38] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, yep, now it's fine, thanks
[15:38] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: cool
[15:46] <sinzui> rogpeppe1, dimitern Do ewither of you have time to review this branch because I am releasing 1.17.2 https://codereview.appspot.com/59050044
[15:46] <rogpeppe1> sinzui: looking
[15:47] <rogpeppe1> sinzui: LGTM
[15:47] <sinzui> thank you rogpeppe1
[15:51]  * fwereade needs to be out again for a bit, will be around again most of the evening
[16:12] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: you have another review
[16:13] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: yep, thx, just answering
[16:16] <gary_poster> jamespage, hi.  do you still think you'll have time for quickstart packaging?  if you are going to capetown I suspect that might take some of your time
[16:18]  * gary_poster stepping out for lunch
[17:03] <dimitern> TheMue, you have yet another review
[17:25] <jamespage> gary_poster, just did the packaging work and uploaded to trusty for archive admin review
[17:34] <TheMue> dimitern, rogpeppe1: thanks for your reviews. I added some comments and one for the whole stuff. will continue on monday.
[17:38] <dimitern> TheMue, thanks
[18:02] <gary_poster> awesome, thanks jamespage!
[18:51] <hatch> hey why does -e not work in destroy-environment but it's required everywhere else?
[18:52] <hatch> I'm trying to figure out the proper message to tell users of quickstart
[18:52] <hatch> but now the -e is also dependent on the version too?
[18:53]  * hatch hopes it's a bug and he can leave the -e in there
[18:53] <hazmat> hatch, it used to be.. it was abruptly changed without notice.. its been restored on trunk w/ a deprecation warning
[18:54] <hazmat> 1.17.2 should have it
[18:54] <hatch> hazmat so now everything else will not have -e either eventually?
[18:54] <hazmat> hatch, just destroy-env for hysterical raisons
[18:54] <hazmat> its so people don't accidentally destroy something
[18:55] <hazmat> because env to act upon  can be looked in one of four ways
[18:59] <hatch> ok thanks for clarifying
[19:02] <natefinch> hazmat, hatch: that was me, sorry.  I wanted the environment name to be mandatory, to make it less likely you'd accidentally destroy-environment on a production environment... however, I didn't think to make -e optional, and should have.
[19:05]  * hatch shakes finger at natefinch
[19:05] <hatch> :P
[19:05] <natefinch> :D
[19:06] <natefinch> really, I just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention ;)
[19:06] <hatch> it's fine either way really, I just need to know what to tell the user in quickstart
[19:06] <hatch> haha
[19:23] <hazmat> .


[17:30] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/17/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:33] <Pendulum> Hiya! Sorry, had a slight organizational confusion
[17:34] <Pendulum> I'm Penelope Stowe, I'm the Community Accessibility team lead. Which mostly means I do non-devel accessibility stuff
[17:35] <Pendulum> with me is Charlie Kravetz ( charlie-tca ) who pretty much runs accessibility testing within the community
[17:36]  * charlie-tca waves
[17:36] <Pendulum> As a team the Accessibility team is a mix of people. Running development is Luke Yelavich (I think I spelled that correctly ;-) ) at Canonical
[17:37] <Pendulum> Otherwise we're mostly a group of community members trying to improve accessibility and advocate for it within Ubuntu
[17:38] <Pendulum> We do focus on Ubuntu rather than the other 'flavours' such as Kubuntu or Xubuntu, however, we welcome anyone to come talk to us and help. For example, Charlie is also the Xubuntu Project Lead :-)
[17:39] <Pendulum> So now that you know a little about us and what we do, I think it's probably a good time to start asking for questions!
[17:42] <ClassBot> AlanBell asked: what bits of Ubuntu are not yet accessible?
[17:43] <Pendulum> Well, as of this very moment Unity is not fully accessible, although it's getting closer.
[17:43] <Pendulum> things Ubuntu has are: screen reader, screen magnification, and on screen keyboard.
[17:43] <Pendulum> The biggest thing it's missing is voice control and voice recognition, however, those are larger issues within the Linux and free software community
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Unity is great for the keyboard user, most items in it are fully accessible with shortcut keys
[17:44] <charlie-tca> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[17:47] <ClassBot> AlanBell asked: what accessibility applications are there in Ubuntu?
[17:48] <Steppy> I am having trouble getting my minidisk player to work under ubuntu. It is plugged into the pcs line in port. Under windows I had this set up so it would play through the pc speakers and not ned it's own
[17:48] <dasupergamer> ask that in #ubuntu
[17:48] <charlie-tca> There are by default in Ubuntu, Onboard Keyboard
[17:49] <charlie-tca> and mousetweaks
[17:49] <charlie-tca> The libraries to run the screen reader are also installed by default
[17:50] <charlie-tca> Any user may install Orca, which is the gnome screen-reader. You can also install Dasher, which is a typing application used with a mouse
[17:51] <charlie-tca> We also have several themes designed for accessibility. both low contrast and high contrast themes, and of course any user can increase font sizes
[17:51] <charlie-tca> pe
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Did I miss anything?
[17:52] <Pendulum> I think that's pretty much what's at least easy to access and use :)
[17:52] <ClassBot> dasupergamer asked: In terms of Accessibility whats does Ubuntu have over other linux distro's and windows and mac
[17:53] <charlie-tca> I think the answer to this question lies in how Unity is designed
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Unity allows a user to navigate the entire desktop with a mouse, if desired.
[17:54] <charlie-tca> It also allows the same user to not use the mouse, if need be. With the keyboard shortcuts in Unity, one can navigate almost everything.
[17:54] <charlie-tca> No other Linux distribution allows this, to the best of my knowledge
[17:55] <charlie-tca> As for Windows and Mac, I don' t use either one, and could not tell you if there is any advantage.
[17:55] <Pendulum> Well, an advantage in the past that is still somewhat there is cost
[17:56] <charlie-tca> I do know that speech synthesis in Linux is less advanced than in proprietary operating systems.
[17:56] <Pendulum> Orca is free, whereas the major Windows screenreader JAWS is about $1000
[17:57] <Pendulum> Unfortunately, where Linux does take a hit in accessibility is voice recognition. But that's very much a larger issue than Ubuntu and projects like julius and CMUSphinx (and it's library) are working hard to correct it. Bot of those, by the way, are availible in the Ubuntu repositories :-)
[17:59] <Pendulum> Anyone else with questions?
[18:00] <charlie-tca> I would like to take a minute here and say that although the Accessibility Team is small, we have a loud voice in Ubuntu.
[18:00] <charlie-tca> We would like to be able to help every flavour with accessibility, unfortunately, our time is limited.
[18:00] <charlie-tca> This makes accessibity within Ubuntu our priority.
[18:03] <charlie-tca> We strive to keep accessibility within Ubuntu in the forefront as much as possible.
[18:05] <ClassBot> Winterpeg asked: Are there any universal design guidelines for Ubuntu developers? How do you communicate those guidelines? Thank you.
[18:06] <Pendulum> We don't have any set guidelines for Ubuntu yet, however, the guidelines that the Gnome Accessibility team has are quite good
[18:06] <Pendulum> they can be found at: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Developers
[18:07] <Pendulum> The Ubuntu Accessibility team has also been putting together personas for both developers and designers to give them additional points to think about
[18:08] <Pendulum> the personas done so far can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas
[18:12] <ClassBot> dasupergamer asked: Gnome was a very good GUI. But why switch to Unity. It doesn't make Ubuntu any more friendly to people who use tablets and such?
[18:12] <charlie-tca> I will attempt to answer this.
[18:13] <charlie-tca> Unity was started some time ago. It was known as Ubuntu Netbook in 10.10, I believe. It actually started to come together a year or so before that.
[18:14] <charlie-tca> At that time, gnome 3 was still an unknown.
[18:14] <charlie-tca> After putting in a lot of time and effort to make unity, there was no good reason to not use it, even when Gnome3 was announced.
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Unity is a fantastic idea, if you think about it. Full accessibility, the same interface on any computer, netbook, notebook, desktop, palm!
[18:16] <charlie-tca> No more learning many different keystrokes and mouse gestures for each system
[18:16] <charlie-tca> A chance to make a linux distribution that everyone can use and become familiar with easily.
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Unity is simply another shell for gnome, and gnome is still the underlying environment
[18:20] <ClassBot> dasupergamer asked: What about Speech Recognition?
[18:20] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[18:20] <Pendulum> Right now Speech Recognition in open source across the board is lacking
[18:21] <Pendulum> there are projects such as julius and CMUSphinx working on it, but it's still mostly not at a usable level
[18:22] <Pendulum> both the libraries for Julius and for CMUSphinx are in the Ubuntu repositories
[18:23] <Pendulum> so you can install and play with them, however, it's not really to a level that can be used daily
[18:23] <Pendulum> As well, in the past people have managed to get Dragon Naturally Speaking to work under Wine, but I'm not sure it's been possible recently
[18:24] <ClassBot> dasupergamer asked: How does Ubuntu 11.04 feel like on tablet PCs due to there touch screens rather than the standar keyboard and mouse?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> As far as accessibiliut
[18:25] <charlie-tca> As far as accessibility, touch screens work great for those with good hand movements
[18:25] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu 11.04 should work on those quite well, even though touch is not perfected yet, and depends somewhat on the actual hardware.
[18:26] <ClassBot> AlanBell asked: what help do you need to make accessibility better?
[18:26] <Pendulum> More people, mostly.
[18:27] <ClassBot> dasupergamer asked: What is the best way of using Ubuntu. Speech, Touch, Keyboard and Mouse?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Each person has to decide this on their own. For some of us, it depends on what parts of the body are working.
[18:28] <charlie-tca> If a person has no arm movement, touch screens are harder to use
[18:28] <charlie-tca> If you are deaf, speech is not usable
[18:28] <charlie-tca> etc...
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Unity tries to make all of these things usable, which is very helpful for those who need different hardware to use the computer.
[18:30] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/17/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[18:30] <Pendulum> Thank you everyone for coming!
[18:30] <Pendulum> We can be found in #ubuntu-accessibility
[18:31] <Pendulum> and are more than happy to answer any other questions there!
[18:39] <nigelb> ..
[18:39] <nigelb> .
[18:39] <nigelb> hat removed
[19:58] <nd456> hi


[00:04] <tharkun1> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[00:04] <tharkun1> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[00:04] <tharkun1> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[00:04] <tharkun1> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[00:04] <tharkun1> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[00:56] <cheapie3> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[00:56] <cheapie3> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[00:57] <cheapie3> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[00:57] <cheapie3> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[00:57] <cheapie3> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[00:57] <iooner25> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[00:57] <iooner25> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[00:57] <iooner25> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[00:58] <iooner25> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[00:58] <iooner25> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[02:07] <Checking> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[02:07] <Checking> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[02:07] <Checking> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[02:07] <Checking> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[02:07] <Checking> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:10] <ecks22> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[03:10] <ecks22> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:10] <ecks22> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:10] <ecks22> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:10] <ecks22> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:19] <soahccc0> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[03:20] <soahccc0> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:20] <soahccc0> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:20] <soahccc0> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:20] <soahccc0> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[04:01] <Milos5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[04:01] <Milos5> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[04:01] <Milos5> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[04:01] <Milos5> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[04:02] <Milos5> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[05:16] <trqx15> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[05:16] <trqx15> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[05:17] <trqx15> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[05:17] <trqx15> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[05:17] <trqx15> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[05:43] <Mony17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[05:43] <Mony17> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[05:43] <Mony17> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[05:43] <Mony17> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[05:43] <Mony17> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[05:58] <Exaeta> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[05:58] <Exaeta> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[05:58] <Exaeta> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[05:59] <Exaeta> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[05:59] <Exaeta> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[06:28] <liguo> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[06:28] <liguo> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[06:28] <liguo> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[06:28] <liguo> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[06:28] <liguo> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[07:31] <christophegx> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[07:31] <christophegx> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[07:31] <christophegx> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[07:31] <christophegx> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[07:32] <christophegx> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:05] <macky> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:06] <macky> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[08:06] <macky> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[08:06] <macky> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[08:06] <macky> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:29] <AlexZ11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:29] <AlexZ11> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[08:29] <AlexZ11> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[08:29] <AlexZ11> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[08:29] <AlexZ11> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[09:29] <Cajs29> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[09:29] <Cajs29> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[09:29] <Cajs29> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[09:29] <Cajs29> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[10:06] <ravioli7> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[10:06] <ravioli7> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[10:06] <ravioli7> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[10:07] <ravioli7> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[10:07] <ravioli7> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[10:15] <NeddySeagoon2> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[10:15] <NeddySeagoon2> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[10:15] <NeddySeagoon2> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[10:15] <NeddySeagoon2> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[10:15] <NeddySeagoon2> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:07] <mcspud14> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:07] <mcspud14> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:07] <mcspud14> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:07] <mcspud14> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:07] <mcspud14> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:22] <IntPtr1> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:22] <IntPtr1> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:22] <IntPtr1> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:22] <IntPtr1> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:22] <IntPtr1> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:33] <pointfree24> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:33] <pointfree24> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:33] <pointfree24> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:33] <pointfree24> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:33] <pointfree24> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[14:41] <tharkun4> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[14:41] <tharkun4> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[14:41] <tharkun4> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[14:41] <tharkun4> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[14:41] <tharkun4> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[15:56] <have> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[16:57] <hpt> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[16:57] <hpt> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[16:57] <hpt> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[16:57] <hpt> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[16:57] <hpt> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[19:08] <andirc5089> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[19:08] <andirc5089> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[19:08] <andirc5089> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[19:08] <andirc5089> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[19:47] <dan3wik> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[19:47] <dan3wik> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[19:47] <dan3wik> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[19:47] <dan3wik> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[19:47] <dan3wik> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[20:11] <Michail1> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[20:11] <Michail1> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[20:11] <Michail1> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[20:11] <Michail1> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[20:11] <Michail1> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[21:48] <jhutchins0> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[21:48] <jhutchins0> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[23:44] <cottongin25> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[23:44] <cottongin25> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[23:44] <cottongin25> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[23:44] <cottongin25> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[23:45] <cottongin25> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/


[05:18] <micahg> cyphermox: I've got nm-applet using 369M of resident memory on natty, that seems like a lot
[10:47] <vagvaf> hello people, i have installed the gnome3-team ppa but when i try to install gnome3-session i get this error message: http://pastebin.com/ZvDHu7x6
[10:47] <vagvaf> any ideas/help?
[10:47] <vagvaf> i have 11.04


[09:02] <wendar> czajkowski: I'll be at the Ubuntu booth most of today
[09:51] <czajkowski> wendar: col just in cross disgro before my panel then will head over
[12:02] <wendar> czajkowski: ah, sorry I missed the panel!
[12:07] <czajkowski> no worries in the infrastrudcure
[12:09] <czajkowski> wendar: ^^
[12:11] <czajkowski> Daviey: is taking over for the sy admin infrastucure talk for canonical
[12:13] <wendar> czajkowski: awesome! when is it?
[12:13] <czajkowski> now
[12:13] <czajkowski> the debian folks said canonical person never came, I did pooint out it wasnt arranged
[12:13] <czajkowski> H1301
[12:14] <wendar> czajkowski: they did try to arrange it, but I couldn't find any sysadmins to go to FOSDEM
[12:14] <czajkowski> yup
[12:14] <czajkowski> I know but they said he never showed,,
[12:14] <czajkowski> did clear that up
[12:14] <czajkowski> have to go mderate this
[12:14] <czajkowski> bbiab so not looking at screen


[17:07] <tsimonq2> Uhhhhhhhhhhhh do we not have an update for lxterminal yet?!?
[17:08] <tsimonq2> Shoot, I thought someone handled that...
[17:08] <tsimonq2> On it right now...


[03:44] <fabbione> shinmen: it should work. we did test on U80
[03:44] <shinmen> fabbione: Even in desktop stuff?
[03:48] <fabbione> yes
[03:48] <fabbione> you will have only one issue with hald not working
[03:48] <fabbione> otherwise you should be ok
[03:48] <fabbione> IF
[03:48] <fabbione> there are issues starting up nautilus
[03:48] <fabbione> upgrade in a couple of hours
[03:49] <fabbione> i did upload a fix not too long ago, but i am not sure is in the archive yet
[03:51] <shinmen> Will do, thanks.
[03:52] <shinmen> fabbione: BTW, is there a way to run ubuntu for sparc with a 2.4 kernel? I have a problem with my sun blade 100 at home, that to get the audio working, only kernels older than 2.4.23-rc1 (IIRC) work with the trident chip.
[03:53] <shinmen> fabbione: So right know I'm running sarge on it, but without giving crap to debian, it has nothing to do when compared to an ubuntu desktop.
[03:54] <fabbione> nope
[03:54] <fabbione> we don't support 2.4 anymore
[03:55] <shinmen> fabbione: Then I'll have to squash that kernel bug... Thanks.
[03:56] <fabbione> if you can write me down some more details i can ask David Miller
[04:00] <shinmen> fabbione: Shure. In a second.
[04:01] <fabbione> shinmen: send it via email please
[04:02] <shinmen> fabbione: What's your address?
[04:06] <fabbione><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:50] <shinmen> Done with the dist-upgrade... I'll reboot in a couple of minutes. Don't wanna miss the meeting.
[06:51] <fabbione> shinmen: can you please check what version of liboil is installed?
[06:52] <fabbione> dpkg -p liboil0.3 |grep Ver
[06:53] <shinmen> 0.3.7-0ubuntu5
[06:54] <fabbione> ok
[06:54] <fabbione> it should be the good one
[06:55] <shinmen> Great.
[06:55] <fabbione> i just started debugging hald
[06:55] <fabbione> but it might take sometime
[06:55] <fabbione> there are several other libs involved
[06:56] <shinmen> fabbione: Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
[06:56] <fabbione> shinmen: send me a patch with a fix?
[06:57] <shinmen> fabbione: What's wrong with hal?
[06:57] <fabbione> hald dies
[06:57] <fabbione> for some unknown reasons
[06:57] <shinmen> fabbione: I'll look it up after the reboot it done.
[06:57] <fabbione> shinmen: ok..
[06:57] <fabbione> that sounds good
[08:06] <shinmen> fabbione: Damn... X problems. I tried with my old xorg conf, and it failes to load a couple of modules. And if I try an X -configure it fails to load another... Let check what's the deal with that.
[08:07] <shinmen> BTW, hald is running here. It has under it, hald-runner, and under that one, two hald-addon-storage.
[08:10] <shinmen> fabbione: The X -configure thing is the same as http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/02/msg00360.html
[08:14] <shinmen> The other modules that fail with my old X conf are bitmap and pcidata. But /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libbitmap.so exist.  As well as modules/libpcidata.so
[08:17] <shinmen> It also say that it "Couldn't open RGB_DB /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
[08:19] <shinmen> BTW, Running with a Permedia 2.
[08:30] <shinmen> fabbione: What conf does your U80 has? Video card I meen.
[08:31] <shinmen> fabbione: I also have one of those huge UPA cards that need a binary kernel module to work fast on 3d, but last time I tried it, it's a pain in the ass... even without 3d.
[08:34] <shinmen> Duh, found it. Bad path module at the xorg conf.
[08:35] <shinmen> And I think the reason why X -configure doesn't work, is because this card work with the fb module.
[09:00] <shinmen> fabbione: I got a bit of a problem, I can't install ubuntu-desktop becase a bunch of power related packages can't be installed due to missed deps. Any news on that? Or should I try to fix'em up?