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[00:21] <gnomefreak> any chance we can add facts for 12.10 in bot for +1
[04:54] <KingFIsher> why was I banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:36] <Corey> chu: Yeah, he's... special.
[05:36] <chu> Oh, I see :)
[05:38] <KingFisher> who
[05:39] <Corey> WFPKHC
[05:39] <Corey> That's the nick, not an acronym.  I think.
[05:39] <KingFisher> Corey, can I get unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:40] <Corey> KingFisher: Hmm.  I don't have access to the bantracker, so... I don't know. :-)
[05:41] <KingFisher> Corey, then how will I resolve my ban
[05:41] <KingFisher> I have been banned for weeks
[05:41] <KingFisher> all I did
[05:41] <KingFisher> was be myself
[06:00] <elky> KingFisher, lets see what the bantracker says...
[06:01] <elky> "talking in caps to try to cause a problem, trolled #freenode earlier, made it clear in PM the rules, any more issues just ban" "First typing in all caps all the time, muted, unmuted, proceeded to type in txtspk, warned, restarted typing in caps"
[06:03] <KingFisher> that sounds like me
[06:03] <elky> I don't care if you define yourself by usage of capslock and refusing to heed directions. That self is not adding value to channels when it is doing so.
[06:03] <KingFisher> elky, I understand but that was a long time ago
[06:04] <KingFisher> I am sorry we had disagreements due to cultural differences
[06:05] <KingFisher> May I be unbanned
[06:07] <elky> I'm not convinced you'll behave differently.
[06:07] <KingFisher> why not
[06:08] <KingFisher> what would it take for me to prove it
[06:09] <elky> I don't believe you've changed because you've agreed that the description in the ban notes "sound like you" and your reasoning for why you should be let back in is only the portion of time that has passed. You've not said anything about how you intend to behave.
[06:11] <elky> If freenode staff who have experience in dealing with you, since you've trolled #freenode, were to say you behave completely differently and have so for a while, perhaps then I might consider it.
[06:12] <KingFisher> elky, I was not expecting this ban appeal process to be as in depth. Very well.
[06:12] <KingFisher> I will have you know I intend to act with consideration for the others in the channel and to be polite, cordial, and not stir up trouble.
[06:12] <elky> Yeah "I was banned for being myself. Yes, I behave like that. Please let me in." isn't even remotely convincing as an argument.
[06:12] <KingFisher> It is not my intention to be a trouble maker, and if you give me a chance to go back you will see that.
[06:13] <KingFisher> elky, I am sorry if my  original statement was not eloquent enough
[06:13] <KingFisher> I was not expecting to have my arguments rated for how much they appealed to you.
[06:14] <elky> If you're not a troublemaker, then you wouldn't be recorded in our ban tracking system as having been troublemaking in three channels.
[06:14] <KingFisher> which channels besides #ubuntu-ops and #freenode
[06:14] <elky> #ubuntu-women
[06:14] <KingFisher> I never said I was not a trouble maker in the past. What I am saying is I do not intend to be a trouble maker and I will not be a trouble maker going on into the future.
[06:16] <elky> You'd be surprised how many people say that without being genuine.
[06:16] <KingFisher> All i am asking for is a chance to demonstrate that I have changed and that I do not intend to pursue the smae behaviour.
[06:16] <KingFisher> Of course elky. and that is why I am asking for a chance to prove myself beyond mere words.
[06:17] <elky> You're not banned everywhere. I see not evidence of a ban in #ubuntu so you're free to join there and provide technical support to users.
[06:18] <KingFisher> For how much longer will you keep me banned then
[06:19] <elky> Until I've seen you both active and capable of refraining from behaving like a 12year old on AOL chat.
[06:19] <elky> !guidelines
[06:20] <elky> You will want to familiarise yourself with that document.
[06:20] <KingFisher> so you want me to provide free tech support for Cannonical
[06:20] <KingFisher> in return for the privilege of using your irc channel
[06:20] <KingFisher> wow
[06:20] <elky> Yep, sounds about right.
[06:20] <KingFisher> You disgust me.
[06:20] <elky> Thank you.
[06:21] <KingFisher> so i get it
[06:21] <KingFisher> I was unfairly banned as a form of blackmail
[06:21] <KingFisher> for free labour
[06:21] <KingFisher> I'm going to e-mail Richard Stallman
[06:21] <KingFisher> and tell him about this
[06:21] <elky> Nope, you were justly banned.  I am outraged at you exploiting me for free labour
[06:22] <KingFisher> seems warranted
[06:22] <KingFisher> in light of the current siutation
[06:23] <elky> Also, threatening to get someone to harass someone who you wish to grant you a privilege is usually not very effective. It certainly isn't effective on anyone here.
[06:24] <elky> You have a plentitude of other #ubuntu channels in which you can participate constructively if you don't want to help people unbreak their computers.
[06:24] <elky> You asked for a suggestion. I made one.
[06:25] <elky> I've given you several options.
[06:26] <KingFisher> elky, I am not threatening to harass anyone
[06:26] <KingFisher> I am just saying Richard Stallman is a personal friend
[06:26] <KingFisher> and he has connections at Cannonical  and he can make stuff happen.
[06:27] <elky> I look forward to it.
[06:27] <KingFisher> lol
[06:28] <KingFisher> The Ubuntu channels here are owned by Cannonical right
[06:29] <elky> No. They're owned by freenode and managed by delegates appointed by the Ubuntu Community Council.
[06:30] <elky> Canonical grants the trademark use.
[06:31] <KingFisher> ok
[06:31] <KingFisher> Richard stallman is gonna give those guys a call
[06:31] <KingFisher> and pull some strings
[06:31] <KingFisher> im gonna be running this channel soon
[06:31] <KingFisher> things are gonna change around here
[06:32] <elky> If things are going to change, you might want to add "Kingfisher's attitude" to that list. Because your attitude clearly hasn't changed enough.
[06:35] <KingFisher> Okay sorry about the attitude
[06:36] <KingFisher> elky, what does the bantracker say about me in #ubuntu-women
[06:36] <KingFisher> I don't remember ever using that channel
[06:36] <KingFisher> as i am not a woman
[06:36] <elky> You joined three times to mock and harass the women in there for the existence of the channel.
[06:37] <KingFisher> Doesn't sound like me
[06:38] <elky> You should change your passwords then. You were identified to services.
[06:39] <KingFisher> Nah I have always used the same password since I started using the web- qwerty1987- and I am not gonna change now
[06:39] <chu> Uhh, you might want to change it now ...
[06:40] <KingFisher> why
[06:41] <elky> Then don't. Either way this discussion has finished. Since there is a no idling policy in this channel, goodbye.
[06:41] <KingFisher> lots of people here seem to be idling
[06:41] <elky> They're supposed to. They're ops.
[06:42] <KingFisher> cool. im an op too
[06:45] <Tm_T> charming
[13:53] <ikonia> hello helphelphelp
[13:53] <helphelphelp> lol :D
[13:54] <helphelphelp> hi there
[13:54] <helphelphelp> i was kicked from linux server
[13:54] <ikonia> helphelphelp: I removed you from ubuntu as your attitude and language are unacceptable against the rules of the hcannel
[13:54] <ikonia> channel
[13:54] <helphelphelp> ah
[13:54] <helphelphelp> is this thing a bot ?
[13:54] <ikonia> and you appear to have continued
[13:54] <ikonia> I believe someone spoke to you earlier about saying "fuck"
[13:55] <helphelphelp> wtf, u just sayn the f word !
[13:55] <ikonia> helphelphelp: are you aware of the rules of using the ubuntu channel ?
[13:55] <helphelphelp> sure
[13:55] <helphelphelp> no f word
[13:55] <helphelphelp> did i use it ?
[13:55] <ikonia> it's not "just the f word"
[13:55] <ikonia> it's bad language, offensive content, not being respectful and polite to others etc
[13:55] <ikonia> !guidelines | helphelphelp
[13:56] <helphelphelp> ...  What you mean by "Just the f word", dont you ever mention it here)
[13:56] <ikonia> helphelphelp: I'd suggest having a read of those before trying to rejoin #ubuntu
[13:56] <helphelphelp> ok, expet the f world, could you tell me were i was disrespectufll ?
[13:56] <ikonia> just the general approach
[13:56] <ikonia> just be polite, calm, etc, ask a clear question, help others to help you
[13:57] <ikonia> but I suggest if you read the guidlines link ubottu just gave you should get an idea of how to behave and what is expected of you
[13:57] <helphelphelp> okay. You seem happy to correct me. Why not, i know a lot of ppl just like you. But can you tell me, PLEASE, where i offended you and our unix friends ?
[13:58] <helphelphelp> let me chek
[13:58] <ikonia> your language offened
[13:59] <ikonia> please read the guidelines and you'll get an idea of what's expected of you if you want to use the channel
[13:59] <helphelphelp> ... but you just told me wasnt only the "F" word ?
[13:59] <helphelphelp> yeah i know the EULA thks
[13:59] <helphelphelp> ooow maybe Thks for thanks is "not conform" ?
[13:59] <ikonia> perfect, well, you're welcome to rejoin the #ubuntu channel and leave this channel if your comfortable following the rules
[13:59] <helphelphelp> could you allow me to use thks for thanks ?
[14:00] <ikonia> I'm sorry I don't understand what you've just said
[14:00] <helphelphelp> nooo you dont understaind. Im asking you, what was disrespectfull toward the comunity despite the "f" word
[14:00] <LjL> helphelphelp: we'd prefer if you used intelligible english. not everyone is a native speaker, and in any case there's no reason why people reading should take the effort to decipher abbreviations
[14:00] <ikonia> however if you're happy to follow the rules ubottu just sent you, you are welcome to return to #ubuntu and leave this channel
[14:00] <helphelphelp> yeah as you just mentioned, everybody arent english speaker.
[14:00] <helphelphelp> would you like to try to speak french ?
[14:00] <ikonia> no
[14:01] <helphelphelp> nah i dont think so.
[14:01] <LjL> helphelphelp: in #ubuntu-fr, i would.
[14:01] <ikonia> helphelphelp: you've had the rules explained to you,
[14:01] <helphelphelp> i was just asking if in your free world, i could use "thks" for thanks
[14:01] <ikonia> helphelphelp: if you are comfortable with the rules you are welcome to rejoin #ubuntu
[14:01] <ikonia> helphelphelp: please use the word "thanks" for thanks
[14:01] <helphelphelp> THEN , why i was kicked, if it wasnt for the F word.  I've mine. May i ?
[14:06]  * AlanBell shakes head in disbelief
[14:06] <helphelphelp> why.
[14:06] <helphelphelp> what push you to do that.
[14:06] <ikonia> helphelphelp: we are done here
[14:06] <LjL> helphelphelp: please leave this channel and (if you want) rejoin #ubuntu
[14:06] <ikonia> helphelphelp: you are welcome to rejoin #ubuntu, but we are done here
[14:07] <helphelphelp> so why did u just kick me out?
[14:07] <helphelphelp> if we are done ?
[14:07] <ikonia> helphelphelp: I told you we are done - leave, and you continued
[14:50] <mneptok> HdCeCdT!
[14:51] <mneptok> (that's a .qc "LOLWTF" since we're doing acronyms and French)
[16:39] <oCean> Suggesting PPA's  :(
[16:39] <oCean>  induz> E: Broken packages  Mandalord> induz: uhm change your server by Synaptic to main server then try it again
[19:32] <cufaf> hi all
[19:33] <cufaf> i have a problem.
[21:26] <h00k> Myrtti: Not sure which the other is
[21:26] <Myrtti> he had it in #ubuntu
[21:27] <h00k> Myrtti: gotcha.
[22:05] <jagginess> Hey. I didnt mean to offend.. But i was being attacked via pm from this guy..
[22:05] <ikonia> I told you to stop 3 times
[22:05] <ikonia> you said you would stop
[22:05] <ikonia> you did not stop
[22:05] <jagginess> I stopped.
[22:06] <ikonia> and you'd agreed to stop
[22:06] <ikonia> you then added more lines to channel after I'd asked you to stop
[22:06] <jagginess> I said I wasnt try to be a jerk. And that I like to answer people who ask and speak nicely in the first place.
[22:06] <jagginess> Read please..
[22:06] <ikonia> I did read
[22:06] <ikonia> I asked and then told you to stop
[22:06] <ikonia> no more comment was required
[22:06] <jagginess> I did stop.
[22:06] <jagginess> ?
[22:06] <ikonia> you added more comments
[22:07] <jagginess> I stopped answering him.. He was being rude to me.. I even said i stopped.
[22:07] <ikonia> there was no need for more comments the matter was closed
[22:07] <ikonia> yes, and then added more public comments to the cahnnel
[22:07] <ikonia> channel
[22:07] <jagginess> A comment about what?
[22:07] <jagginess> A comment about what?
[22:07] <ikonia> the situation
[22:07] <jagginess> "I said I wasnt try to be a jerk."   So there was no need for it. I'm sorry. Ok?
[22:08] <jagginess> ok?
[22:09] <jagginess> Yes. Someone came on and was asking about "Cannon".. I said we are volunteers who aren't paid..
[22:09] <ikonia> sorry, I had bad lag
[22:09] <jagginess> So i apologized for this mistake..
[22:09] <jagginess> ?
[22:09] <ikonia> nicely..
[22:09] <ikonia> oops
[22:09] <jagginess> So can i come on tomorrow?
[22:10] <ikonia> jagginess: look the bottom line is you made a sly dig at hte guy after you'd been told to stop
[22:10] <jagginess> Yes. it was a mistake...
[22:10] <ikonia> you're not banned you're free to rejoin
[22:10] <jagginess> And I apologized..
[22:10] <ikonia> any more though and you'll get banned
[22:10] <jagginess> ok.
[22:10] <jagginess> ?
[22:10] <ikonia> you did not apologise
[22:10] <ikonia> you had a sly dig at hime
[22:10] <ikonia> him
[22:10] <ikonia> damn lag, sorry
[22:10] <jagginess> No.
[22:10] <jagginess> I was getting some pm..
[22:10] <jagginess> but nways..
[22:10] <ikonia> I don't care if you are getting pm's
[22:10] <ikonia> you made a coment int ghe public channel
[22:10] <ikonia> it was uncalled for and sly
[22:11] <jagginess> Yes..
[22:11] <jagginess> true..
[22:11] <jagginess> (and say i'm sorry too)
[22:11] <jagginess> I dont intend to cause any problems.
[22:11] <jagginess> Sorry for this.
[22:11] <jagginess> ok..
[22:14] <ikonia> damn, sorry, my connection dropped
[22:16] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I assume that you can see the scrollback, but if not you didn't miss anything important that you neededto respond to (IMHO).
[22:17] <ikonia> saw it when I reconnected
[22:17] <ikonia> thank you
[22:17] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[22:53] <ikonia> someone needs to watch #ubuntu I'm walking away, it's just too stupid the advice being given and I'll lose my temper if anyone else offers any more random advice
[22:54] <bkerensa> ikonia: don't we have some support guidelines somewhere?
[22:55] <ikonia> bkerensa: yeah, but if someone thinks they are right in their advice despite it being crazy you can't help that
[22:55] <bkerensa> true
[22:55] <ikonia> and I can't be bothered to prove every single point
[22:55] <bkerensa> although if you perhaps PM them and show their error with a valid source and then they continue would that not be trolling?
[22:55] <bkerensa> true ^
[22:56] <ikonia> they are not trolling
[22:56] <ikonia> they are two good hearted people
[22:56] <ikonia> they just do not have a basic understanding of the technologies causing the issue for the other user
[22:56] <elky> bkerensa, as a matter of logistics, if we did that, we'd spend more time doing that than giving support.
[22:57] <ikonia> right, I'm out, the stupidiy continues and I'm not going to argue that ICMP has nothign to do with DNS any more.
[22:57] <ikonia> please watch ubuntu as the advice is poor at the moment
[22:58] <Myrtti> sadly I can't launch a kitten distraction like I would in -ot
[22:58] <bkerensa> shiny things
[23:02] <Myrtti> I can't even follow the discussion in there right now
[23:35] <Myrtti> gn
[23:36] <chu> Night


[00:01] <xubuntu398> Hey room
[00:02] <xubuntu398> I installed Xubuntu into VirtualBox. At first the resolution was great, but then when I ran the updates, all choices other than 600x800 disappeared.
[00:12] <Travis> Hello.
[00:13] <knome> welcome
[00:13] <Travis> I am having to downgrade my Panasonic CF-29 to 12.10
[00:13] <Travis> 13 on up makes my laptop act funny.
[00:14] <Travis> If I close the lid, then reopen it, the dumb screen stays black.
[00:15] <Kekai> travis
[00:15] <Kekai> that would be light locker
[00:15] <Kekai> Disable it and install the Xscreensaver package
[00:15] <Travis> hmmm
[00:15] <Travis> ok
[00:16] <Kekai> What are you rnning now?
[00:16] <Travis> I'm on my Winblows machine right now.
[00:16] <Kekai> i mean Xubuntu wise?
[00:16] <Travis> I had 14.04 on there til this cropped up.
[00:16] <Kekai> okay
[00:17] <Kekai> its light locker
[00:17] <Kekai> Go under prefferences > lightlocker
[00:17] <Kekai> turn it off
[00:17] <Travis> What actually causes this?
[00:17] <Kekai> its a new program
[00:17] <Kekai> they wanted the lock screen to matcht he login screen
[00:18] <Kekai> because xscreensaver looks old
[00:18] <Kekai> but it works
[00:18] <Travis> aaaaah
[00:18] <Kekai> Go under prefferences > lightlocker
[00:18] <Kekai> "Turn off"
[00:18] <Travis> I will have to reinstall first.
[00:18] <Travis> DLing the ISO now.
[00:18] <Kekai> okay
[00:19] <Travis> I hate to mention other distros, but even Slacko Puppy does it.
[00:19] <Travis> So, time to tackle my Xubuntu issue, and use it again.
[00:20] <Travis> Thank you.  I am not the best at the software end of things.  I can assemble a computer like no tomorrow, though.
[00:20] <Kekai> Install Xubuntu then come back
[00:20] <Travis> aye.
[00:20] <Travis> bbl
[00:23] <gry> When resuming from suspend it just comes to a black screen; ttys work and I get back in by killing Xorg.
[00:24] <knome> gry, did you read the release notes?
[00:24] <gry> No, I did not
[00:25] <Kekai> gry: its light locker
[00:25] <Kekai> its an experimental locking program
[00:25] <knome> gry, i'd suggest that
[00:25] <knome> Kekai, no, it's not really "experimental"...
[00:25] <gry> Yes, it does not prompt me for username
[00:25] <gry> It is running
[00:25] <Kekai> its still new and has the bug
[00:26] <gry> Do I need some shortcut for its password dialog to appear?
[00:26] <Kekai> Disable light locker and install Xscreensaver and see if that fix your problem
[00:26] <knome> all software, old and now, have bugs
[00:26] <knome> *new
[00:26] <Kekai> true
[00:27] <Kekai> look at the old windows XP
[00:27] <gry> I would not want to disable it - it took me a week to upgrade just to get it, and it is nice, because it lets lightdm log people in without having them re-enter their password in the screensaver
[00:27] <Kekai> anyone still using it has to have bugs by now
[00:27] <Kekai> they stopped the security updates
[00:28] <knome> gry, we have a bugfix on the way for that bug
[00:28] <gry> Thanks - hope you package it soon. I remember this software is very hard to install, harder than just compiling some
[00:29] <Kekai> Sorry
[00:29] <Kekai> just trying to help since I ask so much of it myself
[00:30] <gry> It is fine, thank you, I appreciate it
[01:14] <climbNmaintain> So if my fstab file is correct and my drives had no problem mounting prior to rebooting the box, it must be something to do with the way Xubuntu handles the HDD I guess...?
[01:17] <Travis> I am back.
[01:17] <Travis> Light Locker is not my problem.
[01:18] <Travis> I am still having issues with the screen staying blank after reopening my laptop lid.
[01:24] <Kekai> did you install xscreensaver
[01:24] <Travis> Yes
[01:25] <Travis> I can't get it to come back
[01:29] <Kekai> have you tried pressing ESC
[01:29] <Kekai> Thas what brings it up for me
[01:29] <Travis> Yes.  It didn't work
[01:29] <Kekai> huh
[01:29] <Travis> It didn't work on my end.
[01:32] <Travis> I wish I knew the difference between 12.10 and 14.04, that might cause this issue.
[02:07] <delt> *sigh* neighbours starting arguing/fighting about that phone thrown on the floor thing again....
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> Um, ok.
[02:10] <delt> anyway, if they kill each other, please let my kids know that...uh wait a minute, i'd still be alive, right? and i don't have ki...uh never mind :3
[02:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Must be the medication wearing off.
[02:20] <Travis> Kekai:  I get the lock screen on 12.10 when I reopen the lid.
[02:20] <Travis> I can log in and get the desktop.
[02:31] <cubed_root> how do i create a 'shortcut' of a folder (in the windows sense of the word) in xubuntu other than ln s in terminal?
[02:32] <cubed_root> i mean: 'ln -s' in the terminal window
[07:26] <apoc_> good morning everyone.. could someone tell me how I can change the background image on the login/lock screen?
[07:28] <baizon> apoc_: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/how-to-change-lightdm-login-screen.html
[07:30] <apoc_> oh! thanks @baizon i wasn't aware that xubuntu uses lightdm, then it shouldn't be a problem! :P thank you
[07:30] <baizon> apoc_: no problem :)
[07:31] <baizon> apoc_: well, i hope you ment not an old version of xubuntu
[07:35] <apoc_> sweet. worked nicely.. is there a way to change the background on the screen where I enter the key to decrypt my hdd?
[07:37] <gry> aw, it looks so pretty at that screenshot
[08:37] <gry> I tried to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu.conf and set a new background but it did not appear and I didn't find any logs...
[08:48] <ochosi> gry: usually it should pick up your user's background
[08:49] <gry> It does not.
[08:49] <ochosi> you're using xfdesktop to set your wallpaper?
[08:49] <gry> It only shows a black bg.  There are multiple users.
[08:50] <gry> Dunno. Running xfdesktop returns no output.
[09:34] <gry> What icon theme is builtin? Even moreso, how do I find it out?
[09:41] <knome> gry, try looking in settings manager -> appearance -> icons
[09:41] <knome> gry, i also highly suggest reading the documentation, under main menu -> help
[09:41] <knome> gry, it has answers to the most common/basic questions
[09:48] <gry> knome: I see the icons tab but many of them are broken, because I upgraded from 12.04 instead of clean install. Only Tango is more or less functional.
[09:51] <Luisja> I am about to install xubuntu, dual booting with windows 8. I rezised my W8 partition, leaving it at 70 GB (50GB already used). I am going to use an ntfs partition to share documents, music, etc between both OS using symlinks. Creating an aditional partition for Home is needed, or is redundant?
[09:54] <knome> gry, the default icon theme is elementaryXfce
[09:54] <knome> Luisja, it's harder to do a reinstall and keep your filed if you don't create a /home partition
[09:55] <gry> Luisja, I would defragment the windows partition first. I would not use separate /home - whatever the default install is fine.
[09:56] <gry> Ah, interesting point. Reinstall. Thanks.
[10:03] <Luisja> knome thanks!
[10:13] <m14ed> IS there a Hellen Waite in here ? incharge of complaints ?
[10:14] <knome> huh?
[10:14] <m14ed> joshing you is all
[10:14] <m14ed> teasing/kidding
[10:14] <deshipu> m14ed: no, this is a community support channel, ran by volunteers
[10:15] <m14ed> yes deshipu, i realize that
[10:15] <deshipu> m14ed: please describe your problem and if anybody knows the answer, they will tell you
[10:15] <deshipu> for general chatting, joking and the like, please join #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:15] <deshipu> thank you
[10:16] <m14ed> thanks deshipu,,
[10:33] <paolo> !ot
[10:35] <gry> when I open desktop settings, the background is reset - known bug or is it my misconfiguration? how do I troubleshoot?
[10:36] <knome> gry, sounds like you didn't set your wallpaper with xfdesktop, which is why you have the bug in light-locker as well.
[10:36] <gry> how do I resolve this? I don't know what I'm using if not xfdesktop.
[10:39] <gry> knome, ^^
[10:40] <knome> are you running compiz, other desktop managers, or anything like that
[10:41] <gry> knome: not compiz and I'm not really sure what others to look for
[10:43] <ochosi> gry: so are you using stock xubuntu or a custom setup?
[10:43] <gry> custom. It started with ubuntu 10.04 probably and I never did a clean reinstall
[10:45] <ochosi> so first thing, check your settings manager > sessions and startup > session whether xfdesktop is listed there
[10:46] <gry> it is not
[10:46] <gry> some green desktop with icons gets loaded by something though
[10:47] <gry> sorry
[10:47] <gry> wrong tab - in Session, yes, it is listed
[10:49] <ochosi> so when you go to settings manager > desktop, does it show the wallpaper you're seeing on your desktop there?
[10:55] <xubuntu780> hi good morning
[10:55] <m14ed> o/
[10:55] <xubuntu780> this is my first time to xubuntu...
[10:56] <m14ed> they'll be  kind to you
[10:57] <m14ed> type your question, and somebody will read it , and hopefully , give you help
[10:58] <slickymasterWork> !ask | xubuntu780
[11:00] <gry> ochosi: no, it resets
[11:00] <gry> the window itself shows black bg and no image settings, either
[11:06] <ochosi> gry: so obviously you have a problem with xfdesktop and that's why you don't get the wallpaper in the greeter
[11:06] <ochosi> so how do you usually set the wallpaper, if i may ask?
[11:10] <ochosi> also, try to run xfdesktop from the commandline and see what that gives you
[11:20] <gry> ochosi: I have wallpaper in the greeter now for some reason. Usually I set a green bg color in settings, desktop. xfdesktop in commandline gives no output.
[11:22] <ochosi> well, color alone doesn't work
[11:22] <ochosi> gry: ^
[11:22] <ochosi> that simply isn't implemented. if you use an image though, it will be picked up (that's a limitation of accountsservice, not the greeter or the desktop)
[11:23] <gry> I go to settings, desktop, set the color. It works. I close the desktop settings. I open the desktop settings again. It becomes black.
[11:23] <gry> It is about the usual desktop. Forget about greeter for the moment.
[11:25] <pratz> Hello guys
[11:26] <pratz> skype micro phone is not working for me
[11:28] <brainwash> gry: maybe it's bug 1313728
[11:29] <gry> will need to log in and comment, i dont remember any of my account details so it'll take time.
[11:29] <gry> is it not supposed to use sso?
[11:32] <gry> 'Can you also open xfce4-settings-editor and right click on xfce4-desktop and select the monitor option, then launch xfdesktop-settings and see if notices any changes?'
[11:32] <gry> I don't parse this comment
[11:32] <gry> 1. open xfce4-settings-editor  2. right click on xfce4-desktop
[11:32] <gry> right click on what?
[11:34] <brainwash> on xfce4-desktop
[11:34] <gry> where is that?
[11:34] <gry> oh, found it
[11:36] <gry> still do not see a monitor option there
[11:37] <brainwash> should look like this http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/_media/xfce4-settings-editor_xubuntu_jaunty.png
[11:40] <brainwash> other than that, I cannot test or experiment with xfdesktop right now
[11:40] <brainwash> and the maintainer of xfdesktop already commented on the linked report
[11:41] <xubuntu366> i am using xubuntu 14.04 & when i select the button to shutdown reboot & shutdown options are greyed out is there a fix for this
[11:42] <brainwash> xubuntu366: open a terminal window and run "xfce4-session-logout --reboot"
[11:42] <brainwash> it should print some error message if it fails to perform the action
[11:43] <xubuntu366> i will say thank you now incase it works
[11:44] <brainwash> it's only for debugging purpose
[11:44] <brainwash> sadly I have to leave now, hopefully you'll get it sorted
 should look like this http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/_media/xfce4-settings-editor_xubuntu_jaunty.png
[12:24] <gry> how do I "select the monitor option" on that screenshot for example?
[12:27] <xubuntu880> Hi there,
[12:28] <xubuntu880> can anyone please aid me?
[12:28] <xubuntu880> I have the last version of Xubuntu installed
[12:29] <xubuntu880> but now I bought an SSD
[12:29] <xubuntu880> the TRIM is already enabled by default or have I to do some stuff?
[12:29] <xubuntu880> thanks in advance
[12:30] <baizon> xubuntu880: http://askubuntu.com/questions/443761/how-is-trim-enabled
[12:31] <bazhang> !trim
[12:32] <xubuntu880> Thanks baizon
[12:32] <xubuntu880> my SSD is a Samsung
[12:33] <xubuntu880> so it's defaulf enabled, right?
[12:33] <bazhang> see the factoid above
[12:34] <xubuntu880> factoid?
[12:34] <bazhang> what the bot said ^
[12:35] <xubuntu880> thanks
[12:35] <xubuntu880> i'm new in this chat, sorry
[12:35] <xubuntu880> :/
[12:35] <bazhang> np
[12:37] <xubuntu880> Son, in conclusion I do not need to schedule an fstrim for my drive, because I'm using the version 14.04
[12:37] <xubuntu880> So*
[12:37] <xubuntu880> and my ssd is a Samsung
[12:37] <xubuntu880> *EVO
[12:37] <xubuntu880> or am I wrong?
[13:33] <Dino> oi
[15:12] <akis> hi all. i am looking to buy a 32gb sd card for my 12.04 system. can anyone advise me if my system can read Class 10 UHS-I Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) or/and Secure Digital Extended Capacity (SDXC) and how can i can be sure about the kind of card i can use and be recognised from my system?
[15:16] <deshipu> akis: ubuntu has no problems reading that kind of cards, provided you have the hardware for it
[15:17] <deshipu> akis: consult your hardware vendor's support
[15:19] <akis> deshipu: i have an USB Multi Flash Reader plug in to one of my laptop's USB ports. How can i check if it can read 32 gb. It reads 4gb without problem.
[15:20] <deshipu> akis: no idea, you probably need to read its manual
[15:21] <deshipu> akis: and if the manual doesn't say it, contact the support
[15:21] <deshipu> alternatively, you could just, you know, try it
[15:21] <deshipu> but yeah, I know it's not always possible
[15:22] <deshipu> but then again, in most cyvilized countries you can return items to the shop
[15:24] <akis> deshipu: yea, try means buy and if not working loose money! its difficult to return something out of its box! anyway...this multi flash reader has also UBS ports. Does this ides applies for USB alos?
[15:26] <akis> deshipu: my USB Multi Flash Reader is a Alcor Micro Corp. USB Hub, any idea for this?
[15:36] <akis> deshipu: i called the vendor of the hub and the service support told me that it can read any card or usb stick. Is there any chance that my laptop cannot read this 32 gb card through this hub?
[16:06] <chaser12> Morning/Afternoon, I recently switched to xubuntu from standard ubuntu, and when I click any arrow (scroll window arrows etc), it forwards way too far.
[16:06] <chaser12> If I use the arrow in the taskbar calendar to next month, it forwards me like 4 years. Anyone able to point me in a certain direction?
[16:07] <chaser12> googling so far has been of little help.
[16:11] <Pici> chaser12: Do you mean that you installed Ubuntu, and then installed xubuntu-desktop?
[16:13] <Pici> I wonder if overlay-scrollbar is causing the problem, you could try uninstalling that.
[16:13] <chaser12> Pici: that's correct
[16:14] <chaser12> Let me look at that and give it a shot. Thanks for the reply
[16:14] <chaser12> hmm overlay-scrollbar has already been removed, so that's not causing the issue
[16:14] <Pici> hmm.
[16:15] <chaser12> the worst thing is clicking the arrows in a calendar setting, it forwards several years, similar to as if I was clicking and holding
[16:45] <xubuntu965> hi during installation the xubuntu ive chosed to erase all my data and reinstall xubuntu after instalation I wanted to resize the primary partition for boot but it doesnt allow me to resize does it means that it needs LVM?
[17:40] <meek_geek> hi
[17:44] <meek_geek> brainwash, hi
[17:57] <meek_geek> Can I use my extra ram to optimize my system ?
[18:44] <xubuntu564> Hello, i am having a problem with a fresh install of xubuntu and not being able to use the keyboard or mouse at login.  arch works fine on my box, and the live usb i have with xubuntu on it works without a hitch as well, any thoughts?
[18:47] <xubuntu564> Hello, i am having a problem with a fresh install of xubuntu and not being able to use the keyboard or mouse at login.  arch works fine on my box, and the live usb i have with xubuntu on it works without a hitch as well, any thoughts?
[19:19] <longbonglungfish> hey all. i need to file two bug reports regarding xubuntu in launchpad, but i have no idea where to file them, if i explain the bugs, could someone help me out?
[19:20] <holstein> !bug
[19:20] <holstein> longbonglungfish: i say, look and see if there is anything already filed similar
[19:20] <longbonglungfish> nothing similar filed yet.
[19:22] <longbonglungfish> one bug deals with duplicate titlebars in gtk3 apps under xfce. the other deals with the file chooser in gtk3 apps under xfce not matching the theme (even if it is a gtk3-ready theme). have no idea where / what components to file these under in launchpad
[19:25] <brainwash> longbonglungfish: 1. bug 1301873
[19:27] <longbonglungfish> doesn't look like the same bug. no mention of duplicate title bars. here's a screenshot for reference: http://i5.minus.com/iS7enWsFloCjG.png
[19:28] <holstein> longbonglungfish: feel free and make a new one
[19:29] <longbonglungfish> oh shiz. i think it's at-least related. people are just describing it differently, along with other problems. should i file a new bug or just add a comment with links to some screenshots of affected applications?
[19:30] <brainwash> well, add a comment to the upstream report
[19:30] <longbonglungfish> what about the other bug i mention?
[19:31] <brainwash> got a screenshot?
[19:31] <holstein> longbonglungfish: same deal.. if you find one like it, try and use it.. if not, make a new one. a volunteer can spend a lot of time just marking duplicates
[19:33] <longbonglungfish> yep. here is a screenshot of second bug: http://i3.minus.com/ibxV5Ut371bCpo.png (file chooser in a gtk3 app like abiword), and here's what the file chooser looks like in all non gtk3 apps: http://i3.minus.com/ibx3mYNgCvQkwO.png notice how the icons in the panel are completely different.
[19:34] <brainwash> looks ok
[19:34] <brainwash> so, it's not a bug
[19:34] <holstein> i dont see anything either
[19:34] <longbonglungfish> the issue is that the icons in the file chooser with gtk3 apps do not match the icon theme like file choosers in all other apps.
[19:35] <brainwash> right, but this is the expected look & feel
[19:35] <longbonglungfish> it's purely a consistency issue, not a functionality issue. is this normal for gtk3 apps under xfce? definitely not a bug?
[19:36] <brainwash> defined by gnome/gtk3
[19:36] <longbonglungfish> accch! gnome 3. got it. what a curse.
[19:37] <brainwash> I actually prefer the monochrome look :)
[19:37] <longbonglungfish> for most things i do to. i just like the elementary icon themes that have been shipping with xubuntu. makes browsing through the file system much easier on the eyes for me.
[19:42] <longbonglungfish> thanks guys. only filing one report i guess, and adding it in the comments section to the one that seems related.
[20:28] <hellslinger> hi everyone, I'm wondering how to get nautilus to handle automount operations like USB sticks, sd cards, etc. I've changed my default file browser yet it still opens files with thunar
[20:37] <ochosi> hellslinger: how about uninstalling thunar?
[20:38] <Unit193> My guess is thunar is still in daemon mode, and nautilus isn't running.
[20:38] <hellslinger> ochosi, done that, now nothing happens at all when a new volume is connected
[20:39] <ochosi> no idea how nautilus handles automount though
[20:40] <ochosi> never used it for longer than 5minutes
[20:40] <hellslinger> there is a bug with thunar that is preventing me from using it
[20:40] <hellslinger> I'd rather not use nautilus
[20:40] <ochosi> what bug then?
[20:40] <hellslinger> when I copy multiple files to my USB drive to replace files at the destination, it only replaces the first file
[20:41] <ochosi> a-ha, never had that problem
[20:41] <hellslinger> if I tell it to replace all or replace one by one, it still fails
[20:41] <hellslinger> :(
[20:41] <RobertJDohnert> Whats the bug
[20:41] <hellslinger> I'm running xubuntu 14.04
[20:41] <ochosi> you're using 1.6.3 though, right?
[20:41] <ochosi> mkay
[20:41] <ochosi> never heard of that before
[20:42] <hellslinger> it does prompt me to replace files (or replace all)
[20:42] <hellslinger> but all files but first remain unchanged
[20:42] <hellslinger> I have to replace them one by one and that is a bit of a drag... (no pun intended)
[20:43] <ochosi> hehe
[20:43] <hellslinger> yep, Thunar 1.6.3
[20:46] <hellslinger> if you all think I should file a bug report, I'll be happy to
[20:48] <ochosi> first check bugs.xfce.org and browse thunar's bugs
[21:12] <xubuntu392> how can ilaunch the "date and time" settings from the command line?
[22:56] <zr22254> hey
[22:56] <knome> hello
[22:56] <zr22254> hello knome :)
[22:57] <zr22254> do you know how can i install skype on xubuntu?
[23:00] <Unit193> Enable partner repos, install skype-bin.
[23:08] <zr22254> got it
[23:08] <zr22254> thanks