[12:02] <mdz> infinity: depends on what the changes are
[12:49] <floam> anyone packaged a new restricted-modules .deb with the new NVIDIA module? I doubt it's going to be in dapper, but I'm guessing someone wanted to try it
[12:54] <jdong> floam: mjg59 stated at the forums that Dapper does intend to have this new NVidia module
[12:54] <jdong> (I don't know how accurate that is)
[12:54] <jdong> currently, I've failed to manually install the module from NVidia installers on two Dapper boxes
[12:54] <jdong> so I'm waiting and saving my time :)
[12:54] <crimsun> well if matthew says so, I'd say it's pretty darned certain it will be.
[12:55] <floam> jdong: wow, that surprises me
[12:55] <floam> being so late in the game and all
[12:55] <jdong> floam, it surprised me as well
[12:55] <floam> although that would probably be a good thing for dapper in the long run, since it's supposed to be supported for a long time and the new version adds support for some newer hardware
[12:56] <jdong> floam: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=899834&postcount=7
[12:56] <floam> and I thought nothing useful was ever stated on the fourms.
[12:57] <jdong> floam: umm, what would make you think that?
[12:58] <floam> jdong: just my last few years experience with the internet. webforums for Linux distributions tend to be places where cluebies spread false information and diseases
[12:58] <floam> they are usually devoid of anyone important
[12:59] <jdong> I see....
[12:59] <jdong> there are developers who regularly are on the forums
[12:59] <jdong> while it's true that any online community you're going to get some level of false information....
[12:59] <floam> the signal-to-noise ratio is usally much worse for web forums than for the proper mailing lists
[01:00] <jdong> I wouldn't say so... our forums just have monstrous proportions of traffic compared to the lists
[01:01] <jdong> but we do acknowledge that problem... it's getting better though
[01:03] <floam> I'm not speaking specifically about the ubuntu forums
[01:33] <desrt> is it possible to remove a remote bug watch on launchpad?
[01:36] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  Lovely, upon gdm starting the kernel hard-freezes and magicsysrq won't shut the machine off :p
[01:36] <bluefoxicy> irqpoll nah.
[01:49] <nictuku> nwu project calling for initial version testing: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2006-April/000129.html
[01:55] <Le_Vert> Hi
[01:55] <Le_Vert> How could I submit a new packages for Ubuntu ?
[01:55] <Le_Vert> I have some packages that'll be sent to debian and I would send them to ubuntu too
[01:56] <crimsun> Le_Vert: see #ubuntu-motu; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[01:56] <LaserJock> Le_Vert: check out wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU and #ubuntu-motu
[01:56] <Le_Vert> thanks :)
[02:07] <Seveas> Le_Vert, there's no real need to send them to Ubuntu separately, Ubuntu will get them through debian
[02:08] <Le_Vert> ok :)
[03:22] <desrt> someone did something really really awful to my tab key.
[03:23] <aimaz> did they make tab complete have spelling mistakes?
[03:24] <desrt> they made it totally fail to work properly
[03:24] <desrt> erasing /etc/bash_complete seems to fix the problem
[03:24] <desrt> bash_completion even
[03:39] <infinity> mdz: http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/re2c.changelog
[04:28] <wasabi__> Writing a utility with pygtk... need to run part of it as root. Seperated it into a seperate program, want to run it with gksu. Some reason gksu won't exit properly when run with popen.
[04:28] <wasabi__> Or is there a better way... making an Ubuntu utility. ;)
[04:33] <jmg> is there a way to make make-kpkg not rebuild the tree before building the .debs?
[08:34] <zakame> hello fabbione :)
[08:34] <fabbione> hi zakame
[08:40] <neuralis> fabbione: what do you think about a lynx/links udeb for the server install cd?
[08:40] <fabbione> neuralis: for what use case?
[08:41] <neuralis> fabbione: there's a guy providing one (not very convincing) use case on the ML, but it does actually seem at least as useful as the openssh-client udeb
[08:43] <neuralis> i haven't made up my mind about whether i'd support it yet. what do you think?
[08:43] <fabbione> i am thinking...
[08:43] <fabbione> it's like Sunday 9 am :)
[08:43] <neuralis> 2:43AM here :)
[08:43] <fabbione> yeah i know
[08:44] <fabbione> well there is wget already
[08:44] <fabbione> i can see the point of the login script
[08:44] <fabbione> the testing part is junk
[08:45] <neuralis> agreed. though it might be convenient to take a look at some instructions online that one didn't print, etc
[08:45] <fabbione> the only counter side for him not being able to login to his ISP is that apt-get source.lists lines for security are not enabled by default
[08:46] <fabbione> no no, let's keep the use case simple
[08:46] <fabbione> if he is installing a server he has at lease one client
[08:46] <fabbione> that he can use to browse
[08:46] <fabbione> otherwise it really makes no sense to install a server
[08:46] <neuralis> that's not (always) true. think server rooms.
[08:47] <neuralis> then again, if he's installing a server in a server room, he shouldn't be browsing online for instructions, usually :)
[08:47] <fabbione> exactly
[08:48] <neuralis> okay, i think i'm convinced we don't need it.
[08:48] <fabbione> i think so too
[08:49] <fabbione> it's too much of a corner case
[08:49] <neuralis> agreed; i'm writing a reply to the guy.
[08:49] <fabbione> and once he reboots, he can login and enable security updates
[08:49] <neuralis> another quick thing -- i wrote in the server chapter that we have ocfs2-tools in dapper. is that no longer the case?
[08:49] <neuralis> or do we just have the breezy version?
[08:50] <fabbione> yes we do have ocfs2-tools and ocfs2console in main
[08:50] <fabbione> we have new versions in dapper
[08:50] <neuralis> ah. i thought i saw you say something else in one of the dev meetings, but i probably misremembered. thanks.
[08:50] <fabbione> we were waiting for a new major uptream version
[08:51] <fabbione> that didt really happen
[08:51] <fabbione> so we will stay with what we already have in Dapper
[08:51] <fabbione> nothing too fancy
[08:51] <fabbione> we do have 1.1.5 or so
[08:51] <fabbione> there 1.2 out
[08:51] <fabbione> but also tons of bug fixes for 1.2 in svn
[08:51] <fabbione> and i was waiting for 1.2.1 that's not happening yet
[08:51] <neuralis> sounds like it's best sticking with 1.1.5.\
[08:52] <fabbione> yeah
[08:52] <fabbione> it's ok for what we need
[08:53] <neuralis> fabbione: so i just reread the guy's away message, and i don't think he was actually asking about an udeb, but about shipping the package on the cd
[08:53] <neuralis> because if we don't, he can't reboot and log in, because logging in requires a browser which he can't install.
[08:54] <fabbione> hmmm right
[08:54] <fabbione> yes that can be done
[08:55] <neuralis> should be pretty trivial. can you poke colin to include it, or do you want me to mail him?
[08:55] <fabbione> i can do it directly...
[08:55] <fabbione> just send me a reminder
[08:55] <neuralis> sure.
[08:55] <fabbione> i own the server seeds
[08:55] <neuralis> ah, even better
[08:55] <fabbione> that hounestly.. i should really clean up a lot soon
[08:55] <neuralis> i'll send you a reminder sometime tomorrow, then.
[08:55] <fabbione> sure..
[09:41] <jmg> hmm..
[09:45] <jmg> bizarro
[09:47] <fabbione> neuralis: still around?
[09:47] <neuralis> fabbione: what's up?
[10:28] <sivang> elmo: thank you :)
[10:30] <sivang> morning all
[11:32] <MagnusR> Hi! If I find a translation error in synaptic, how do I do to correct it?
[11:33] <Lathiat> At a guess, it would be available by rosetta on http://launchpad.net ?
[11:35] <MagnusR> I have looked around there a bit. but i did not quit understand how o do.
[11:50] <Kinnison> Morning
[11:54] <ajmitch> morning Kinnison
[11:55] <Kinnison> hihi
[12:13] <sivang> hey Kinnison
[02:00] <sivang> howdy bddebian
[02:00] <bddebian> Heya sivang
[02:23] <engla> I'm not a dev, I just reported some bugs in ubuntu. Is it the right thing to do to go back and close those bugs if I think they are fixed/resolved/invalid?
[02:24] <sivang> engla: you can try and ask other people who have reported the same and are subscribed to the bug if it works for them.
[02:24] <sivang> engla: if so, then I reckon it would be okay.
[02:25] <mdke> engla, yeah, close em if you don't see them anymore and you were the original reporter
[02:26] <sivang> that as well :)
[02:56] <_ion> Astronomers have discovered that Uranus has a blue ring.
[02:56] <darklinux> hi
[02:59] <darklinux> i want to build a new kernel 2.6.17 of the dpkg base of dapper kernel 2.6.15 i have change the control and changelog file to 2.6.17 and the dir name when in want to build the package they remove the debian folder not more
[02:59] <_ion> ARGH, my eyes
[03:01] <darklinux> can help anybody
[03:02] <infinity> darklinux: apt-get install kernel-package && man make-kpkg
[03:03] <infinity> darklinux: And please ask these questions in #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-devel, this is not a support channel.
[03:03] <bddebian> infinity!!
[03:03] <bddebian> Is it Monday for you yet? :-)
[03:03] <_ion> su160317 Ignoring ALL from darklinux
[03:03] <infinity> Nope!
[03:03] <infinity> 23:03 on Sunday night.
[03:03] <bddebian> Damn :-)
[03:04] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:04] <jsgotangco> not yet work time
[03:18] <jsgotangco> im gonna go play oblivion
[03:19] <bddebian> Heh, I can't play Morrowind today, we have "company" :-(
[03:21] <sivang> bddebian: comapny?
[03:23] <bddebian> sivang: US word for guests :-)
[03:24] <sivang> bddebian: :) But why does it stop you from playing?
[03:24] <infinity> bddebian: So, instead, you sit on IRC and ignore them? :)
[03:25] <infinity> congeniality++
[03:26] <bddebian> sivang: They don't, the wife does :-)
[03:26] <bddebian> infinity: Well at least I'm in the same room and not screaming "DIE, DIE, DIE" :-)
[03:28] <sivang> bddebian: ehehe
[03:28] <sivang> infinity: go the thinkpad , I chicken out and got the one with FireGL V3200 ;-)
[03:28] <sivang> *got
[03:29] <sivang> infinity: minus one flight 6 bug that didn't configure gdm to start, the ati FOSS driver seems to be working well so far.
[03:29] <jdub> mdz: given the slip, what do you think about getting the shut-up-grub patch in?
[03:30] <bddebian> shut-up-grub.. Heh
[03:31] <infinity> jdub: How shut up is it?
[03:31] <infinity> jdub: Do you even remove "hit Esc for a menu"?
[03:36] <jdub> infinity: no, just the post-menu spew from memory
[03:36] <jdub> infinity: and i think it only hid that if you had 'quiet' on the boot line
[03:37] <infinity> The stageX, stageY stuff?
[03:37] <jdub> infinity: the patch is in launchpad somewhere
[03:37] <jdub> yeah
[03:38] <fabbione> jdub: it's not wise to shut things up too much
[03:39] <fabbione> specially in very sensible parts of the boot like grub where debugging is already quite difficult
[03:39] <infinity> Shutting them up is fine if they can be "un-shut".
[03:39] <fabbione> at least we get to know "it hangs between stage1 and stage2" or stuff like that
[03:39] <infinity> (ie: Hold down key X during boot, so you get proper debug spew)
[03:39] <infinity> Or whatever.
[03:39] <fabbione> infinity: right.. but the 512bytes loader doesn't really have that much cleverness
[03:40] <infinity> That's a single branch.  I'm sure there are a few bytes to spare.
[03:40] <infinity> And it already knows how to listen for keys, IIRC.
[03:40] <fabbione> it's slightly more than that but yes...
[03:40] <fabbione> it understands concept of harddisks and how to read ext2 :)
[03:43] <jdub> the 'quiet' on the command line could be a nice way of doing it
[03:43] <jdub> if grub should be allowed to interpret those for itself
[03:44] <fabbione> erk
[03:44] <fabbione> that smells so much as a cmdline args clash
[03:44] <jdub> yeah
[03:45] <jdub> fabbione: have you tried building one of our 2.6.15 kernels with xen love, or know anyone on the server team doing it?
[03:45] <fabbione> jdub: nobody afaik
[03:45] <fabbione> and it's kind of late to do it
[03:45] <infinity> Haven't even tried.
[03:46] <jdub> fabbione: oh yeah, i mean independently of dapper
[03:46] <fabbione> jdub: no idea.. i don't use xen and i am not going to, till it's upstream
[03:46] <fabbione> since a bunch of kernel devel don't like at all how it's written
[03:46] <infinity> It can probably be done with enough wrangling and provided as a community supported thing, but I doubt any of us have enough hours in the day to try right now.
[03:47] <fabbione> from a first review they found serious design flaws
[03:47] <jdub> it's funny how much gar i hear about xen internals :)
[03:47] <fabbione> jdub: well yes..
[03:47] <fabbione> for x86 they have 3 times as much asm required that it's arch/x86 to suppor the entire architecture..
[03:47] <jdub> heh
[03:48] <fabbione> + they use a 2 level interpreter that slows stuff down a lot..
[03:48] <fabbione> when i was told they could just use a more generic 1 level intererpreter..
[03:48] <fabbione> twice as fast.. more portable
[04:25] <bddebian> WTF does this mean?:
[04:25] <bddebian> Rejected:
[04:25] <bddebian> Not permitted to upload to a release in CURRENT state
[04:28] <siretart> bddebian: you tried to upload to breezy, which doesn't work since some time
[04:29] <bddebian> Ack, breezy? WTF.  I didn't even see that
[04:29] <bddebian> Thanks siretart
[04:30] <siretart> bddebian: but you're right somewhre, the error message could be more verbose
[04:32] <infinity> Verbosity isn't the issue, it's that no one except launchpad hackers knows what CURRENT means, since the rest of us would think of it as RELEASED, perhaps.
[04:33] <bddebian> Well I should check user submitted changelogs more closely too :-(
[04:34] <infinity> You should check the entire patch closely, really.  If you're not doing so, the black helicopters will visit.
[04:35] <bddebian> Well I did check the patch and test it, I just always seem to overlook the distro thing.  I've done a couple unstable ones too :-(
[05:18] <siretart> jdong: hey, john
[05:18] <jdong> what's up, siretart
[05:20] <wasabi> So anybody want to play with gapti?  http://akita.larvalstage.net/~wasabi/bzr/gapti--main    It pretty much works!
[05:20] <siretart> whats gapti?
[05:20] <wasabi> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt
[05:22] <jdong> interesting...
[06:47] <aimaz> wasabi, ISV = independent software vendor?
[07:00] <wasabi> aimaz: yeah.
[07:02] <aimaz> so with gapti a user will click a link and it'll modify their sources.list?
[07:19] <aimaz> wasabi, would added repositories be removed when they're not required because the dependent software is removed?
[07:35] <wasabi> aimaz: no. If that should be added... which I think it should, it would be seperate from this.
[07:35] <aimaz> ok
[07:36] <wasabi> Like, an automatic sources.list cleanup would be nice.
[07:36] <aimaz> how does apt decide which repository to install a package from?
[07:36] <wasabi> The one with the latest version or highest pin
[07:37] <aimaz> maybe if there was a way to restrict a repository to only what you want
[07:38] <aimaz> that would remove some of the security implications mentioned on the wiki page and prevent unstable version of other software provided on a 3rd party repo being installed
[07:39] <aimaz> again i suppose that would fall outside gapti
[07:41] <wasabi> It wouldn't help anything.
[07:41] <wasabi> At all.
[07:41] <wasabi> Because any software you install has to be installed as root.
[07:41] <wasabi> At that point, any security concerns are useless.
[07:41] <wasabi> Who cares if it can only install packageX, if packageX can do whatever it wants?
[07:42] <aimaz> ok
[07:43] <aimaz> but it would help if say i wanted package x from a 3rd party repo but not other packages they might provide
[07:43] <wasabi> Well, that's basic pinning.
[07:43] <aimaz> ok
[07:43] <wasabi> gapti should probably pin all but the asked packages down.
[07:44] <wasabi> Just to prevent them from being installed on accedent.
[07:44] <wasabi> But it's not a security mechanism.
[07:44] <aimaz> yeah i understand that
[07:44] <wasabi> I think I'm going to change the way the public key is distributed though... cleartext sign the .apt file, including the public key.
[07:45] <wasabi> that way the key added to apt-key must be the same as the one the .apt file is signed with
[07:55] <elmo> mdke: I reset and resent jjesse's password a couple of weeks ago (or less) - has he really lost his gpg key again already?
[07:56] <mdke> elmo, last time he lost he password, but didn't realise he'd also lost the gpg key, so couldn't open your mail. I'm really sorry, as is he
[07:59] <elmo> mdke: k
[08:00] <mdke> elmo, thanks a lot
[08:09] <Zauberer> hallo zusammen
[08:11] <Zauberer> ich habe in der 6.06 2 kleine fehler gefunden, wo mu ich die posten?
[08:12] <j^> Zauberer https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs/
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> does anyone have a qemu video.x for ppc?
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> qemu swears I have no video bios if I run qemu-system-ppc
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> I have openhackware installed
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> oops
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> wrong channel
[08:20] <elmo> are we shipping bcm43xx firmware yet or is it still in legal limbo?
[08:20] <mjg59> elmo: The latter
[08:23] <mjg59> If anyone has any contacts in Broadcom...
[08:28] <elmo> or if someone wants to just BUY Broadcom... :-P
[08:30] <mdke> does anyone else find that they default editor is suddenly vim? rather than good old nano...
[08:30] <mdke> s/they/their
[08:31] <elmo> mjg59: how do I know which of these myriad firmware .exe's or .sys's I want?
[08:31] <bddebian> mdke: Yes that happened to me a couple of times now
[08:32] <mdke> bddebian, very disconcerting :)
[08:32] <bddebian> aye
[08:33] <_ion> mdke: To me it sounds like a feature rather than a bug. ;-)
[08:34] <mdke> heh, it's definitely a bug. I pity the new user who is following instructions in some guide and has to figure out how to use the command line at the same time as VIM
[08:40] <mjg59> elmo: You want a .sys file, and you want to run fwcutter on it
[08:42] <elmo> mjg59: yeah, I just picked the latest one, I'm still getting invalid AP tho, oh well
[08:43] <elmo> (after setting rate to 11M and ap to any, I mean)
[08:44] <mjg59> elmo: What's in dmesg?
[08:44] <mjg59> And which kernel are you running?
[08:56] <Yagisan> G'day all, who do I need to badger about CJK support not working "out-of-the-box" on dapper, even with language-packs installed
[09:01] <sivang> bah, switched to fglrx now I have an annoying thin line that follows the mouse curose hovering the desktop
[09:02] <sivang> mjg59: is that known or expected? I have FireGL V3200 128MB
[09:04] <mjg59> sivang: I don't touch fglrx
[09:05] <sivang> mjg59: bummer, it seemed to be working fine on x300 that I returned..
[09:05] <bddebian> Gad I hate looking at configure files :-(
[09:06] <sivang> funny, IBM also put a Broadcom wried ethernet (Gigabit) on this particular setup.
[09:07] <sivang> (but thank god the WiFi is intel)
[09:08] <sivang> mjg59: is there nothing we can do to try and have some of at least the failing code? under some strict code-sharing agreemnet? don't they want linux to be supported on their cards? :)
[09:08] <mdke_> Yagisan, I'd say the bug tracker
[09:09] <mjg59> sivang: Since this would involve me never being able to touch free code again, I'm not keen...
[09:09] <Yagisan> mdke_: it's already full of "unconfirmed" entries about the same thing (I've been browsing it since I posted here)
[09:10] <mdke_> Yagisan, ok, so if you have the same bug, you can post and confirm the bug
[09:13] <sivang> mjg59: they can't impose restrictions like that! Can they ?
[09:19] <mjg59> sivang: I'd have to prove that I never used any of their intellectual property in other code
[09:19] <mjg59> That's a difficult thing to prove
[09:19] <mdke_> mjg59, they'd have to prove you did, I would have thought
[09:20] <sivang> yes, you're usually unguilty until proven otherwise :)
[09:20] <mjg59> mdke_: Civil case, so balance of probabilities applies
[09:20] <mdke> mjg59, yes. But the burden would be on them
[09:20] <mjg59> And they'd have rather more money to throw at it
[09:20] <sivang> mjg59: in any event, the FOSS driver only gives us 2D acceleration right?
[09:20] <mjg59> sivang: No, it supports 3D on pretty much everything
[09:21] <sivang> mjg59: ah, so there is no apparent reason to use fglrx over the foss one?
[09:21] <mjg59> sivang: It'll be faster, but.
[11:38] <mdke_> fonts in dapper suddenly look rather rubbish since upgrading today :-(


[13:47] <matias> thanks you
[14:30] <krish> hello
[14:31] <krish> some one pl. help how to install thunderbird in  lubantu
 open command line.  run sudo apt install thunderbird
 enter the password for your account (it won't show up)
 hit "enter", "yes" if it prompts
 done
[14:34] <krish> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[14:34] <krish> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[14:35] <krish> this error message is appearing
 do you have any windows open which are using the package manager/
 update manager, software store, etc.
[14:39] <krish> yes its open
 Close it
[14:39] <krish> o.k.
 And then try the command again
[14:40] <krish> o.k.
[14:43] <krish> thanks bro
[14:43] <krish> its done


[11:44] <rock__> roaksoax: Hi. MAAS on KVM machines.  I installed MAAS 2.0 on Xenial [KVM virtual machine]. And I have created 4 KVM VMs to act as MAAS nodes by enabling PXE boot while creating. I added Chassis from MAAS UI. Started commissioning of all nodes.
[11:46] <rock__> roaksoax: MAAS not able to commission its nodes. Giving ERROR: node marking failed : Operation commission failed after 0:20:00.
[11:47] <rock__> roaksoax: For commissioning i tried with both Xenial and trusty image[From MAAS UI]. But no use.
[11:47] <rock__> roaksoax: Please provide me some solution for this.
[11:58] <rock__> roaksoax: maas log and rackd log info  http://paste.openstack.org/show/580716/
[11:59] <nirlevy> [ERROR: 09-18 08:42:38, ev.py:130] Exception in ev.run(): Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/share/openstack/cloudinstall/ev.py", line 128, in run     self.loop.run()
[12:00] <nirlevy> installing openstack auto pilot I am getting the following, any clues,Thanks.
[14:09] <samba35> i am new to maas ,i am on 16.04.1 ,i am getting web gui now how do i add machine to inventory  ?
[14:48] <pragsmike> rock__: try this: In Settings uncheck "Enable the use of an APT and HTTP/HTTPS proxy"
[14:48] <pragsmike> and for "Enable DNSSEC validation of upstream zones" set it to No
[15:26] <samba35> can some one please tell me from where do i start ,getting started guide ?
[15:46] <rock__> pragsmike: Thank you. I will try this.
[16:01] <nirlevy> any one knows what is the reason DNS failed on my MAAS? it is installed with maas-dns.
[16:02] <samba35> Sep 18 21:31:50 ubuntu16 sh[2542]: 2016-09-18 21:31:50 [-] <IP_ADDRESS> - - [18/Sep/2016:16:01:49 +0000] "GET /MAAS/rpc/ HTTP/1.0" 200 416 "-" "provisioningserver.rpc.clusterservice.ClusterClientService" what is meaning of this error
[16:59] <rock__> pragsmike: Hi. I did as you said. But I am facing the same issue. Please tell me what I need to do.
[18:05] <PCdude> hi all :)
[18:05] <PCdude> is it possible to make a HA setup with MAAS 1.9.4?
[18:06] <PCdude> I see some docs for 2.0+ ,but not for 1.9.x
[18:47] <PCdude> kiko: u have an idea on HA for MAAS 1.9.x?
[20:32] <marc__> hi all - i'm needing help with maas 2.0  - the pxe boots always report file not found. the ip is correct for the maas server but does not find the file it needs
[20:40] <marc__> ha it was a firewall rule, interesting... pfsense...


[02:43] <thewrath> anyone here?
[02:45] <nhandler> o/
[02:52] <boredandblogging> thewrath: yo
[03:06] <thewrath> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
[03:06] <thewrath> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
[03:06] <thewrath> Comment: A revocation certificate should follow
[03:06] <thewrath> iFcEIBECABcFAkoKKcYQHQJkc2EgMTAyNCBpc3N1ZQAKCRCEfU71Eghnu7G2AJ9S
[03:06] <thewrath> 05nE0V2S2n1xmlzWh6GyOE7E5gCcCcTAMJFW6Qd8NAqsoWilgsoUTHo=
[03:06] <thewrath> =zmWv
[03:06] <thewrath> -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
[03:06] <thewrath> crap
[03:06] <thewrath> disregard please
[03:06] <thewrath> the web form you guys need is that a general one?
[03:07] <boredandblogging> web form?
[03:07] <nhandler> And thewrath, you should consider creating a new key and getting this one revoked. You wouldn't want someone to revoke it without you knowing
[03:07] <thewrath> nhandler: all ready revoke
[03:09] <thewrath> ?
[03:09] <thewrath> nvm the ?
[03:09] <thewrath> i was not scrolled down
[03:10] <thewrath> boredandblogging: looking for the link
[03:10] <thewrath> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge under tasks...
[03:10] <thewrath> the first item
[03:12] <boredandblogging> let me look
[03:12] <nhandler> boredandblogging: I'll defer to you. I'm not sure how up-to-date that list is, especially with the planned fridge redesign.
[03:13] <boredandblogging> thewrath: yeah, something like that would be nice
[03:14] <thewrath> ok
[03:14] <thewrath> what details would need to be on it
[03:14] <boredandblogging> while at the same time not being completely full of spam
[03:14] <thewrath> teh only spam i may put is in recaptcha
[03:14] <boredandblogging> something like Subject, Link, Quick Summary, and email address
[03:16] <thewrath> they would have to be logged in right?
[03:16] <boredandblogging> no
[03:16] <boredandblogging> but
[03:16] <thewrath> so captcha okay?
[03:16] <boredandblogging> that may be something we need to add later
[03:16] <thewrath> ok so i can add captcha so "spam" gets added
[03:17] <nhandler> You could use OpenID to eliminate the need for the captcha and email address
[03:17] <boredandblogging> thewrath: are you thinking about doing this in php?
[03:17] <thewrath> yes i
[03:18] <boredandblogging> think the first version can be just captcha
[03:18] <thewrath> k
[03:18] <boredandblogging> but openid/LP integration would be the next step
[03:18] <thewrath> true
[03:19] <thewrath> i do not know how to do that i think ic an talk to paultag who is part of bt about that
[03:19] <nhandler> boredandblogging: What would be the use case for something like this?
[03:19] <thewrath> nhandler: has he made his bug tracker use that?
[03:19] <nhandler> thewrath: I don't know. But OpenID is pretty well documented. It shouldn't be too hard to get it working
[03:21] <boredandblogging> nhandler: sorry, use case for what?
[03:22] <nhandler> boredandblogging: A form to submit news stories for the fridge. Since the form requires an email address, wouldn't it be just as easy to send an email to the list?
[03:22] <boredandblogging> sending an email to the list requires subscribing to the list
[03:22] <boredandblogging> someone might have a drive by idea
[03:23] <boredandblogging> or a link they just saw
[03:23] <nhandler> I thought non-subscribed users just had to wait for their message to go through the moderation queue
[03:23] <boredandblogging> they can
[03:23] <boredandblogging> its just an alternate way of submitting news
[03:24] <boredandblogging> the web form is just an alternate way
[03:24] <nhandler> But what would it accomplish? Unless the form changed the From field on the email before sending it to the list, it would still need to be moderated if the user was not subscribed.
[03:25] <boredandblogging> yes, but the sender doesn't get a message saying their message is waiting for approval and all that
[03:26] <nhandler> Why wouldn't they? The email would be listed as coming from them, so they would get the email.
[03:27] <thewrath> so i can do it in php with recaptcha... boredandblogging who should i send it to?
[03:27] <thewrath> i will zip it, encrypt and sign it
[03:27] <boredandblogging> actually, I was thinking the email would be if we wanted to credit someone with the story
[03:27] <boredandblogging> or need more info
[03:28] <nhandler> So the form would send the idea to the list using its own email address?
[03:29] <boredandblogging> yeah, we would need to probably send it using an email address that the list would let through automatically
[03:29] <boredandblogging> with maybe a subject like "Fridge Submission: foo bar baz"
[03:30] <thewrath> boredandblogging: who should i send my files to? what is the mailing list e-mail address?
[03:30] <thewrath> i will need to know that to tet it
[03:31] <boredandblogging> thewrath: can you check it in to LP?
[03:31] <boredandblogging> thewrath<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:35] <thewrath> sorry i am sucky dsl atm and have oen machien on my network doing udates


[00:58] <mitsubachi> Hello, I am curious if anyone knows how the intended use is of xubuntu window management with zero width borders
[00:58] <mitsubachi> The default at some point changed from something like 5px wide to 1 or 0px wide and there must be an intended path of use, but I can't find documentation of it
[00:59] <mitsubachi> and when I say "at some point in time" I do mean in like the last 10 years... so it might be long since forgotten
[02:20] <Monona> Hello all! I have an old laptop with xubuntu studio 10.04.4 LTS that will not connect to the internet, even tho it is connected to the wifi. How can I troubleshoot this?
[02:29] <arraybolt3> Monona: I'm not familiar with an OS named Xubuntu Studio.
[02:29] <arraybolt3> Also 10.04 is extremely old.
[02:30] <arraybolt3> If you're trying to connect the system to WiFi in order to update it to a supported release, it will probably be easier (like, way easier) to just do a clean install of Xubuntu 22.04 (or Ubuntu Studio 22.04, depending on which one you want).
[03:35] <Eickmeyer> !eolupgrade
[12:38] <rik72> is there an uzip program
[12:39] <gnrp> rik72: Literally called unzip
[12:39] <gnrp> otherwise 7zip is also there
[12:46] <rik72> i install with synaptic but i cant not find it back
[12:52] <diogenes_Vx15_> rik72, doesn't fille-roller deal with that?
[13:00] <rik72> no
[13:45] <rik72> how unzip files
[13:47] <diogenes_Vx15_> rik72, in terminal run: unzip archive.zip
[13:49] <rik72> i have a folder klok.zip i print unzip klok and dont work
[13:49] <sophie> if you have xubuntu desktop can also right click a zip file and click "Extract Here"
[13:50] <diogenes_Vx15_> rik72, what error are you getting in terminal after running that command.
[14:15] <Guest76> hello everyone, I have 20.04 and want to upgrade to 22.04. When I click the "upgrade" button on the update manager, it quits and the terminal says "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading." Please help :)
[14:19] <diogenes_Vx15> !upgrade | Guest76
[14:26] <Guest76> diogenes_Vx15 Thank you, but the software updater does not go to step 3 for me, that's my issue.
[14:30] <diogenes_Vx15> Guest76, back up your data make a bootable usb to keep around just in case and run: sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:31] <Guest76> Ok. Thanks!
[14:31] <Guest76> :)  same message, "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading."
[14:32] <Guest76> apt upgrade says there are no upgrades, 1 held back and it's "libc++1"
[14:35] <diogenes_Vx15> Guest76, try: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[14:41] <Guest76> I removed that package, and I'm still here, so let's see...
[14:44] <Guest76> the distribution upgrade gui/program is now doing it's thing, so I guess this will go normally now. Thanks!
[14:44] <diogenes_Vx15> Guest76, how did you fix it?
[14:50] <Guest76> Since "libc++1" was the one blocking, I removed that package. Looked it up before and someone 4 years ago on a ubuntu forum had a similar issue and he removed and reinstalled it and came back to write that forum post, so I guess that went ok.
[14:52] <diogenes_Vx15> cool
[16:10] <gd> hi
[23:06] <xubuntu> how awesome is this. IRC in 2023. xubuntu on top


[15:36] <stgraber> RichEd: you around ?
[15:36] <RichEd> stgraber: sort of
[15:36] <RichEd> wassup ?
[15:36] <stgraber> I just wondered if I can talk a bit about the cmpc in a "things to come" part of the talk ?
[15:37] <RichEd> sure ... it is all public knowledge
[15:37] <RichEd> check out the cmpc page on the wiki
[15:38] <stgraber> looking now. It's not always easy to know what's publicly announced and what's not, for example the UME, the development was public but it wasn't a good idea to speak about it publicly (as people would perhaps expect features that would then be dropped)
[16:07] <stgraber> RichEd: oh, Intel releases the cmpc2 specs ?
[16:08]  * stgraber wonders why he never saw that announce :)
[16:39] <wima> does anyone know if ldm does something with umask settings?
[16:39] <wima> if i log in on an ltsp client, my umask is always 022
[16:39] <wima> but i set it to 002 in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs
[16:40] <stgraber> wima: what's the umask when you ssh to the server ?
[16:40] <wima> 002
[16:41] <stgraber> ok, so either something in ldm does (I don't really see how or why) or the Xsession script changes the umask for some weird reason
[16:42] <wima> ah Xsession
[16:42] <wima> can that be?
[16:42] <stgraber> maybe, IIRC ldm calls Xsession to start the gnome session
[16:44] <wima> i see no references to umask in the xsession.d files
[19:42] <cberlo> Has anyone tried running Edubuntu LTSP through FastHubs?
[20:51] <humbolt> Hi all, I have a huge problem with processes left over after logout on my LTSP system!
[20:53] <humbolt> As I also see this behavior on my laptop, I am afraid this might be a general Gnome problem! Just that it does not really break things when you basically reboot your laptop after each reboot!
[20:53] <johnny> it is a general known problem
[20:53] <johnny> err gnome problem
[20:53] <humbolt> Do you guys experience this as well.
[20:53] <johnny> gnome doesnt' clean up after itself
[20:53] <humbolt> johnny: Damn Gnome!
[20:53] <johnny> cuz it's usually used on systems that are single user in truth.. so when gnome shuts down, all is ok
[20:54] <johnny> but for us.. with processes running on the server.. it's not acting like a normal computer in that when you log out, it's turned off
[20:54] <johnny> so not much focus was put into that
[20:54] <humbolt> So what should I do on my LTSP system?
[20:54] <johnny> it is going to be fixed tho
[20:54] <humbolt> It is?
[20:54] <johnny> there's something called gnome-watchdog
[20:54] <johnny> i don't know if it is compatible with gnome 2.22 which is in hardy
[20:54] <johnny> you might want to take a look at it
[20:54] <johnny> or a program called xterminator
[20:55] <johnny> my clients never logoff, they are all anonymous terminals
[20:55] <humbolt> What are these Gnome guys thinking?
[20:55] <johnny> so i just run a script
[20:55] <humbolt> The have so much crap in their system.
[20:55] <johnny> i disagree
[20:55] <humbolt> The worst thing ever is freaking evolution!
[20:55] <johnny> they have great stuff
[20:55] <johnny> it's not as well used as it could be
[20:56] <humbolt> The alarm daemon does hardly ever shutdown cleanly
[20:56] <johnny> which makes some stuff less useful than it could be
[20:56] <johnny> as i said humbolt, their normal use case to be concerned about, are single user systems, which which none of this is a problem
[20:56] <humbolt> I am already considering switching my users back to KDE.
[20:56] <johnny> you could set /etc/xdg/autostart
[20:56] <johnny> look in their and turn off evolution
[20:56] <humbolt> johnny: did that already
[20:57] <humbolt> johnny: still many unclosed processes
[20:57] <johnny> i know , it doenst solve everything
[20:57] <johnny> but i won't swich away from gnome for this isssue
[20:57] <johnny> and i won't/cant' ever support kde
[20:57] <humbolt> the worst are game and firefox processes left over and going mad.
[20:57] <johnny> firefox rarely does that to me
[20:57] <johnny> since hardy
[20:58] <johnny> firefox behaves much better in 3.0 series
[20:58] <johnny> games.. that's a problem with them, not gnome
[20:58] <humbolt> It sucks so much. I can't watch over this LTSP server 24/7
[20:58] <johnny> then script it
[20:58] <johnny> to kill things
[20:58] <johnny> like the two things i mentioned
[20:59] <humbolt> Would not know where to begin. kill everything that does not belong to anybody who shows up in `users`?
[21:00] <johnny> use the scripts i mentioned
[21:00] <johnny> go search for em
[21:00] <humbolt> on it
[21:01] <humbolt> And you say, they are working on fixing that?
[21:01] <humbolt> Really?
[21:01] <humbolt> Just filed 2 bug reports today. One launchpad one gnome.
[21:04] <humbolt> reading up on gnome-watchdog
[21:04] <humbolt> hope it does not kill things, when a user is logged in twice and logs out at one terminal
[21:07] <johnny> logged in twice is not good for gnome
[21:07] <johnny> don't do that
[21:07] <johnny> or firefox
[21:19] <rv> Hello! Is it possible to set up Edubuntu LTSP server if I have one eth0 interface to connect client, and connected to i-net through USB ADSL-modem (using ubudsl)? How should I configure eth0 interface during installation?
[21:21] <humbolt> johnny: Especially the gvfsd procs tend to stay alive.
[21:22] <humbolt> johnny: I installed gnome-watchdog now. We will see if it works. Thanks for the tip.
[22:02] <lns> humbolt, johnny, Just to add to the conversation and give no actual help/support for it... ;) I really think that the Gnome devs need to get back to the roots of what Linux/*nix is *supposed* to be about - which are things like what LTSP is all about - thin-clients, multiuser systems, network portable environments
[22:02] <lns> I think Gnome is an absolutely fantastic environment, but they are straying way too far from *nix roots
[22:02] <lns> which is causing big problems when we try to do things like LTSP/multi-user systems
[22:03] <lns> not that I can do anything about it but bitch and complain.. ;) (until I have enough money to hire a programmer to help fix these things anyway)
[22:06] <lns> I just don't want to see others follow the trend of only caring about single-user systems...because I really do believe (and I'm sure most of the people in here do too) that computing in general is moving back toward server-centric processing (like in the dumb terminal days)
[22:07] <lns> only now we can do so much more
[22:35] <johnny> gnome is going to make it easier for us to do things supposably
[22:35] <johnny> with consolekit/policykit


[00:05] <DGMurdockIII> where can i get the code so i can use launchpad as the bug tracking software for the program im working on inkscape use it so there must be a way
[00:10] <lifeless> DGMurdockIII: what do you mean?
[00:11] <DGMurdockIII> hold on let me get a example
[00:23] <DGMurdockIII> (lifeless): how could i use launchpad like i could trac trac install it on my web site
[00:27] <kklimonda> DGMurdockIII: inkscape is developed on launchpad i.e. they host their code, bugtracker etc. there
[00:28] <kklimonda> ok, not code
[00:44] <nhandler> Is there anything I can do to open a bug like bug #1? I keep getting Time Out errors
[00:46] <nhandler> See, even ubottu times out ;)
[00:54] <mwhudson> hm, that shouldn't be happening :)
[00:54] <mwhudson> though in the case of bug 1, the timeout page is arguably more interesting :)
[00:54] <mwhudson> that seemed way too quick for a timeout
[00:55] <kklimonda> at least it's a bug you can fix in this decade ;)
[00:56] <mthaddon> works for me on edge - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[00:57] <mwhudson> ubottu: :)
[00:57] <nhandler> mthaddon: That edge link worked for me. However, I get the timeout if I try to go to the non-edge URL (even though it will normally redirect me to the edge version)
[00:58] <mthaddon> I wonder if today's cherry pick b0rked things
[00:58] <mthaddon> nhandler: are you getting an OOPS id?
[00:59] <nhandler> mthaddon: Yeah, one second
[00:59]  * mthaddon tries himself
[00:59] <mthaddon> and of course, it works for me on non-edge too :(
[01:00] <nhandler> mthaddon:   (Error ID: OOPS-1264ED612)
[01:00] <nhandler> And the URL shown in the address bar is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[01:00] <mthaddon> thx
[01:00] <nhandler> So it is redirecting me
[01:01] <mthaddon> should show up our OOPS reports - will have the QA folks look at it
[01:01]  * mwhudson finds slow queries about archive permissions in the log, boggles
[01:02] <mthaddon> does seem a little... odd
[01:02] <mwhudson> nhandler: do you have special permissions wrt archive management of any distros on launchpad?
[01:02] <mthaddon> mwhudson: and that's being repeated 5 times?
[01:03] <nhandler> mwhudson: Archive Management, no
[01:03] <mwhudson> well i don't konw
[01:03]  * mwhudson goes back to his own problems...
[01:08] <mthaddon> nhandler: if you're on the launchpad-users list an email to that might be a good idea - if not I can send to the devel list, but then you wouldn't know the outcome of the discussion
[01:09] <nhandler> mthaddon: I can send to launchpad-users, but do you think that it will accomplish anything? Would a question on answers.launchpad.net be more effective?
[01:09] <mthaddon> nhandler: either one - perhaps the question might be better, yeah
[01:27] <BUGabundo> guud evening!
[01:28] <BUGabundo> quick question
[01:28] <BUGabundo> running on edge: I opened a bug, subed to it with the ajax applet, then commented on it, and was still offered to sub to the bug
[01:28] <BUGabundo> known bug (not updating the all page) ?
[01:29] <BUGabundo> abentley: ping ^^^^^^^
[01:39] <abentley> BUGabundo: Sorry, I forgot to take my nick off the topic when I went off duty.
[01:39] <abentley> BUGabundo: Offhand, I don't know if it was a known bug.
[01:39] <abentley> BUGabundo: But now that you'
[01:40] <abentley> ve reported it, it must be :-)
[01:40] <BUGabundo> I haven't , yet
[01:40] <BUGabundo> I guess it would be a very hard bug to fix
[01:40] <BUGabundo> since that part of the site is static
[01:40] <BUGabundo> I'll file it
[01:40] <BUGabundo> is it malone, right?
[01:40] <abentley> BUGabundo: yes.
[01:41] <BUGabundo> and abentley don't forget to remove your self
[01:41] <BUGabundo> I keep messing up all the  parts of LP, where to file bugs
[01:41] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:43] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/388747
[01:43] <BUGabundo> off to bed
[01:43] <BUGabundo> thanks
[03:44] <robert_ancell> Can I make a launchpad new bug link that has some fields already filled out? e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+filebug?summary=test
[03:49] <kklimonda> hmm.. yes..
[03:49] <kklimonda> when apport sends crash report it fills summary field
[03:56] <wgrant> kklimonda: That's done by sending it in the blob, though. Which is awkward.
[03:57] <wgrant> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+filebug?field.title=test
[03:57] <wgrant> That works.
[03:59] <robert_ancell> wgrant: thanks
[03:59] <robert_ancell> wgrant: can I set tags on that too?
[04:01] <wgrant> robert_ancell: Add &field.tags=blah
[04:01] <robert_ancell> cheers
[05:03] <garyvdm> Hi - You use to be able to set a status whitebord for a branch. I can't find it now. Has it been removed?
[05:05] <lifeless> yes
[05:05] <garyvdm> :-(
[05:11] <wgrant> garyvdm: It was reincarnated as a description field yesterday.
[05:12] <wgrant> garyvdm: But it's only on edge.launchpad.net
[05:12] <garyvdm> wgrant: Cool - Let me go set it there.
[05:21] <nhandler> wgrant: Just to be clear, the description for branches is visible to everyone, correct?
[05:22] <wgrant> nhandler: Yes.
[05:23] <wgrant> nhandler: Well, to all those with access to the branch.
[05:23] <nhandler> wgrant: What type of access to the branch? Read access or commit access?
[05:23] <wgrant> nhandler: Read.
[05:24] <nhandler> wgrant: Ok, so that would only really affect private branches
[05:24] <wgrant> nhandler: Right.
[06:23] <MTecknology> If any rubber ducky wants a quick and easy question to blow out of the queue, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/74591
[06:25] <spm> gawd I love it when folks give me lins to the projects/teams that want dealt with
[06:25] <spm> MTecknology: done
[06:26] <spm> *links
[06:26] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[06:26] <MTecknology> spm: any chance you could get rid of the milestones too?
[06:26] <MTecknology> I was just about to tack that on there :P
[06:27] <spm> MTecknology: the project owner should be able to do that now?
[06:27] <MTecknology> I'm trying to figured out where to delete the releases after the new layout :P
[06:27] <MTecknology> ok
[06:27] <wgrant> MTecknology: Trashcan next to the title on the release/milestone page.
[06:28] <MTecknology> hurray, we can finally do that ourselvse :D
[06:28] <MTecknology> haven't needed to for a while
[06:29] <spm> *you're* happy!?!?!?! ;-)
[06:29] <MTecknology> yup
[06:29] <MTecknology> and everyone else in the lp world
[06:36] <wgrant> No edge update today?
[06:36] <spm> nope
[06:38] <wgrant> spm: Why not?
[06:40] <spm> issues with one of the precursors to open saucing. an edge release at this point would have busted wide apart. so we disabled today to hopefully have that bit fixed by tomorrow.
[06:40] <wgrant> Ah.
[06:41] <wgrant> The production config removal?
[06:41] <spm> wgrant: you scare me sometimes.... :-P
[06:48] <MTecknology> spm: how accurate are the download counters??
[06:49] <spm> MTecknology: wrong question. :-) They are very precise. Accuracy is a *whole* nuther ball game.
[06:50] <spm> jokes aside, for your purposes? they're accurate.
[06:50] <MTecknology> 13 days  since last download seems to pop up a lot
[06:50] <MTecknology> that's unlikely that anyone downloaded a version that old though
[06:50] <spm> you'd be surprised
[06:51] <wgrant> One could blame spiders.
[06:51] <wgrant> Or stupid users.
[06:51] <spm> same same :-)
[06:52] <MTecknology> well, I'm trashing them anyway :P
[06:52] <MTecknology> on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal-releases/+milestone/6.3.2, theres "" at the end of the title..
[06:52] <MTecknology> Is that my fault?
[06:53] <wgrant> MTecknology: That was a bug a couple of weeks ago.
[06:53] <wgrant> The codename in the AJAX milestone creation dialog put in an empty string.
[06:53] <wgrant> Try editing and saving the milestone without changing it.
[06:53] <MTecknology> ok
[06:54] <wgrant> Maybe the bug was also in the normal form, as that milestone is oldish..
[06:54] <MTecknology> all better :)
[06:54] <MTecknology> thanks
[06:55] <wgrant> Excellent.
[06:55] <MTecknology> well, my annoying rubbery ducks is done for the night :)
[06:55] <MTecknology> how've you guys been?
[09:19] <robin> Hey,Bug 382795 is fixed?
[11:23] <DeSian> hi
[11:23] <DeSian> https://translations.launchpad.net/wordpress/2.8
[11:24] <DeSian> we need Approve
[11:24] <DeSian> https://translations.launchpad.net/wordpress/2.8/+imports
[11:38] <jml> leonardr, hello
[11:38] <leonardr> jml, hi
[11:39] <jml> leonardr, I wrote a thing: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpadlib/cred-cache/+merge/7608
[11:39] <leonardr> jml: thanks, let me see what i can do with it
[11:39] <jml> leonardr, thanks.
[11:40] <jml> leonardr, sorry for the crappy cover letter -- please feel free to ask me questions to make up for the lack of info
[11:51] <leonardr> jml: it looks pretty good but i need to put it on the back burner for a bit. due to pending build process improvements i can't do any launchpadlib work for a while, probably until sometime next week
[11:51] <leonardr> can i get back to you?
[11:52] <jml> leonardr, yep, that's fine.
[11:52] <jml> leonardr, it's definitely not urgent and would much rather a better build process :)
[12:01] <clem> Hi, I'd like to get a translation template renamed, can I ask here or shall I go to the Launchpad questions?
[12:11] <leonardr> jml: remind me if it seems i forgot about it
[12:11] <jml> leonardr, will do :)
[12:11] <jml> thanks.
[12:11] <leonardr> np
[12:30] <henninge> clem: yes, please file a questions about that so we know you are the owner.
[12:36] <clem> henninge: ok, thanks
[13:14] <wolfred> hi, adding bugs does not work
[13:15] <wolfred> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug      I enter data and press Continue and nothing happens at all
[13:16] <wolfred> anyone want to look into that?
[13:18] <salgado> intellectronica, didn't you look at a problem on the +filebug page a couple days ago?  maybe it's the same problem that wolfred is experiencing?
[13:18] <wolfred> if I do not enter any field, then I get the error message that I must enter data
[13:19] <wolfred> if I enter any data then NOTHING happens, not even a data form is submited - nor AJAX request, just nothing
[13:19] <wolfred> perhaps JS to verify code on client side is messed up
[13:19] <wolfred> firefox on linux
[13:21] <intellectronica> wolfred: are you using edge or the normal servers?
[13:22] <intellectronica> wolfred: also, what project are you trying to report a bug on? did you try the project's +filebug page?
[13:23] <intellectronica> wolfred: finally, it seems to work for me. can you please give more detailed instructions on how to reproduce what you're experiencing?
[13:43] <wolfred> intellectronica:
[13:43] <wolfred> 1. open https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[13:43] <wolfred> 2.  set field package to:   pidgin
[13:43] <wolfred> 3. set field Summary to:  test
[13:43] <wolfred> 4. press Continue submit button
[13:43] <wolfred> and nOTHING happens (no HTTP request, no AJAX request, nothing)
[13:46] <intellectronica> wolfred: works fine for me on both edge and production
[13:47] <intellectronica> wolfred: can you complete this by using the pidgin package filebug page?
[13:48] <intellectronica> wolfred: also, as an aside, you shouldn't file bugs on ubuntu packages like this, and in fact we're going to disable this shortly. use the menu in the program itself
[13:50] <wolfred> why so??
[13:50] <wolfred> this is so retarded
[13:50]  * wolfred swings his clue bat
[13:51] <wolfred> how to use the menu if in program itself, when the errors is that the program doesn't start at all
[13:51] <intellectronica> wolfred: please refrain from using this type of language here
[13:52] <intellectronica> the reason is that the ubuntu qa team feel that bugs without the extra debug information are not very useful, and hard to work with
[13:52] <intellectronica> if you can't use the program itself to file the bug, you can still use the ubuntu-bug program
[13:52] <wolfred> yeah, and when the bug is that the program does not start?
[13:52] <wolfred> last time I checked this program it failed
[13:53] <intellectronica> wolfred: check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for the full story
[13:53] <intellectronica> wolfred: anyway, i'd like to find out why this isn't working for you. i can't reproduce the problem with filing bugs you are reporting
[13:54] <wolfred> ok I tried that, and the bug reporting page executed via ubuntu-bug  does not work in the exact same way - I enter Continue and nothing happens
[13:54] <wolfred> it says also "Extra debug information will be added to the bug report automatically."
[13:55] <wolfred> but
[13:55] <wolfred> if I leave the Summary field empty, then the HTTP request happens, and I get the error message as expected
[13:55] <intellectronica> wolfred: that is very strange. i really can't reproduce it. could you please try using a different browser, to make sure that this isn't some kind of problem with your installation?
[13:56] <intellectronica> oh, interesting
[13:56] <wolfred> also, the logout button is not working
[13:56] <wolfred> clicking logout took me to URL https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+filebug/+logout
[13:56] <wolfred> If this is blocking your work, let us know by sending an message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Include the error ID  OOPS-1265G879  in your message.
[13:56] <intellectronica> wolfred: this oops will be available in a few minutes, so i'll have a look
[13:57] <intellectronica> this is all very strange and surprising
[13:57] <wolfred> cool, opening the link above to devpad.cannoical crashed my firefox
[13:57] <wolfred> perhaps my hardware is broken, what the...
[13:57] <intellectronica> wolfred: can you try with a different browser, to see if you get the same problems?
[13:58] <wolfred> btw I have 100% filled home dir. perhaps this is causing all this crazy things
[13:58] <intellectronica> wolfred: that's quite possible
[13:59]  * wolfred delets some pr0n
[13:59] <intellectronica> wolfred: so, please try to stabilise your system, and also try using a different browser, and if the problems persist, let me know. i'll also check the oops as soon as it's available, maybe that will give us a clue
[14:01] <wolfred> oh cool my firefox profiles got nuked.  Im so happy I backuped yesterday
[14:01] <wolfred> probably because of hard drive.  I will check again later then after cleaning uo
[14:01] <wolfred> up
[15:20] <tseliot> hi, does anybody know how I can set my email address as the contact address of a team?
[15:21] <tseliot> launchpad complains that my email address is already registered in Launchpad and is associated with me
[15:21] <tseliot> cprov: ^^
[15:25] <cprov> tseliot: Uhm, I think you can't set one of your email addresses as a team contact address
[15:25] <cprov> tseliot: it has to be an address that is not registered in LP (i.e not owned by any existing user)
[15:26] <tseliot> cprov: ok, so there's no option to contact only the owner of the team, right?
[15:27] <cprov> tseliot: no, unless you set a new address that  goes to your inbox, but is not registered in LP
[15:29] <tseliot> cprov: ok, I would like not to spam the members of ubuntu-core-dev. This is why I asked
[15:29] <cprov> tseliot: let me check for a relevant bug in this area
[15:29] <tseliot> thanks
[16:22] <stas> Hi guys, can somebody help me with this question?
[16:22] <stas> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/74540
[16:32] <danilos> bigjools, cprov: ^
[16:33] <bigjools> got it
[16:33]  * bigjools answers it
[16:40] <geser> if a package is copied from jaunty to karmic (both main archive) should it get a new build record for karmic?
[17:01] <bigjools> geser: no
[17:06] <geser> bigjools: so there is no way to rebuild a package it karmic which failed to build in jaunty except an upload to karmic?
[17:07] <bigjools> geser: I'm pretty sure that's the case, yes.  Is it likely to build in karmic anyway, if it failed in jaunty?
[17:07] <bigjools> which package is it?
[17:07] <geser> in that specific case not, but I wanted to know once I resolved it
[17:07] <geser> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/doxia-sitetools/+builds
[17:13] <geser> bigjools: this has the slight disadvantage that it doesn't appear on the FTBFS list for karmic as it doesn't have a build record for karmic
[17:15] <bigjools> hmmm right
[17:16] <bigjools> cprov, do you have any suggestions?
[17:17] <bigjools> geser: what you could do is also check for no build records and flag those separately
[17:19] <geser> will probably do it: I guess I need to scan all source packages, but as it only needs to be done once at the beginning of each new distro it should be a problem if it takes some time
[17:46] <tdn>  (Error ID: OOPS-1265H1260)
[17:46] <tdn> I get Timeout Error every  time I try to report a specific bug.
[17:50] <tdn> I write this in summary: WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.28/net/core/dev.c:1536 skb_gso_segment+0x143/0x1f0()
[17:50] <tdn> I have tried *many* times now.
[18:58] <mthaddon> tdn: maybe report it with a different title and then change the title later?
[19:12] <tdn> mthaddon, but isnt this a bug in launchpad, if this title triggers a timeout?
[19:13] <mthaddon> tdn: it is, and the OOPSes will be seen by QA people
[19:13] <mthaddon> Ursinha: ^
[19:13] <Ursinha> me
[19:14] <Ursinha> let's read all backlog
[19:15] <tdn> mthaddon, ok.
[19:19] <Ursinha> tdn, so, you enter the filebug page, and it loads, right?
[19:19] <Ursinha> tdn, "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.28/net/core/dev.c:1536 skb_gso_segment+0x143/0x1f0()" is the title of the bug?
[19:20] <tdn> Ursinha, yes.
[19:20] <tdn> Ursinha, yes.
[19:24] <Ursinha> it's timing out consistently for me, I'll investigate that tdn
[19:24] <Ursinha> thanks for letting us know
[20:37] <AlexC_> g'morning Earthlets
[20:37] <AlexC_> a while back I uploaded some translations for my project, since then - some langauge strings have been deleted/edited/added, and I am wondering how to merge the new .pot files we have, with the ones on Launchpad
[21:04] <eagle00789> in my app i'm using language files wich are built like this:
[21:04] <eagle00789> [AboutBox]
[21:04] <eagle00789> 00000001=Over...
[21:04] <eagle00789> 00000002=Toolbar Uninstaller
[21:04] <eagle00789> 00000004=© 2007 Decomputeur.nl
[21:04] <eagle00789> 00000005=Bedankt aan:\nTwistedMetal voor de icoontjes en veel van de toolbars in
[21:04] <eagle00789> how can i use launchpad translation for that??
[21:07] <AlexC_> eagle00789: you can't, you need to use Gettext
[21:15] <eagle00789> i now that.that's why i
[21:16] <eagle00789> that's why i'm asking
[21:16] <AlexC_> and hence my reply of "you can't"
[21:17] <AlexC_> unless you were to convert that into pot format, translate - convert back to your own format. Which will still ended up using Gettext, at least - it's formats
[21:17] <eagle00789> i'll refraise my question. what changes do i need to make to this layout to get it working with launchpad's translation part
[21:18] <eagle00789> when i search for pot with gnugettext on google i always get stuff related to powerpoint as pot is powerpoint template file
[21:18] <AlexC_> eagle00789: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettext has example pot format
[21:18] <AlexC_> as does Launchpad really - just click the link to download the .pot/po/mo files
[21:20] <eagle00789> this would invlovle so much work to get it translated and back to my own format, that it isn't really worth doing...
[21:22] <eagle00789> maybe not: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/ini2po
[21:44] <kolby> I forgot my gpg passphrase.  How can I retrieve it?
[21:45] <jpds> kolby: You can't.
[21:45] <kolby> jpds: should I just make a neew key?
[21:45] <jpds> Yep, that's the way to do it.
[21:45] <kolby> jpds: thank you.
[22:42] <bdmurray> Is the +participation page for people not having images intentional / deliberate?
[22:47] <beuno> bdmurray, link?
[22:47] <beuno> I've done a massive change to Launchpad
[22:47] <beuno> and some icons are broken
[22:47] <beuno> fixing them as I find them
[22:48] <bdmurray> https://edge.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/+participation
[22:48] <bdmurray> on not edge the icons show up
[22:48] <beuno> bdmurray, could you file a bug and assign it to me?
[22:48] <beuno> I'll fix it today
[22:48] <bdmurray> beuno: also bug attachment names overlap the green download icon
[22:49] <bdmurray> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/389116
[22:49] <bdmurray> beuno: sure! thanks
[22:49] <beuno> ah
[22:49] <beuno> ok
[22:49] <beuno> bdmurray, so 2 bugs  :)
[22:49] <bdmurray> beuno: alright then! ;)
[22:50] <beuno> bdmurray, thanks
[22:50] <beuno> (fixing the one where packages on bugtasks don't show icons right now)
[23:10]  * wgrant is slightly concerned about the removal of the magic date.
[23:10] <beuno> wgrant, magic date?
[23:10] <wgrant> beuno: July 21st
[23:10] <beuno> wgrant, removal?
[23:10] <wgrant> beuno: The wiki was altered to be more vague about it.
[23:11] <beuno> wgrant, no idea why, but, don't worry, it will be opened by or before that
[23:11] <wgrant> beuno: OK.
[23:13] <eagle00789> how long does it usually take for a new translation template to be approved
[23:40] <eagle00789> anyone??
[23:43] <beuno> eagle00789, 48-72hs usually
[23:43] <eagle00789> ok. thx
[23:45] <wgrant> beuno: Do you know about the spec subscriber icon breakage? I haven't seen a bug about that one.
[23:46] <beuno> wgrant, linkify me!
[23:46] <wgrant> There's a strange display: block on the link text.
[23:46] <wgrant> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-lts-debian-release-coordination
[23:46] <wgrant> Oh.
[23:47] <wgrant> That's not strange, it's just that the img is usually in the a.
[23:48] <beuno> wgrant, ah. No, can you file a bug and assign it to me, etc?
[23:49] <wgrant> beuno: Sure.
[23:49] <beuno> thanks wgrant
[23:51] <wgrant> Bug #389247
[23:51] <wgrant> beuno: ^^
[23:52] <beuno> wgrant, thanks!
[23:52] <eagle00789> you guys know that the first two bug links link to mozilla?? they do not link to launchpad
[23:53] <wgrant> eagle00789: What do you mean?
[23:53] <eagle00789> look at the links above. there are 3 of them.
[23:53] <eagle00789> [00:51]	<wgrant>	Bug #389247
[23:53] <eagle00789> [00:51]	<ubottu>	Launchpad bug 389247 in blueprint "Blueprint subscriber icons broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389247
[23:54] <wgrant> Huh?
[23:54] <eagle00789> bug 389247 links to mozilla
[23:54] <wgrant> eagle00789: That's your IRC client being stupid.
[23:54] <wgrant> They are not links.
[23:54] <eagle00789> ok. thx
[23:54] <eagle00789> sorry for mentioning then