[00:00] <OerHeks> oh, then install mint asap
[00:00] <Younder> but then I use salt stack as a provisioning tool to keep track of changes i make to the system. That way if I have to install from backup saltstack can help me restore all the packages the way I like them.
[00:01] <blackflow> Younder: ubuntu minimalistic and debian kitchen sink? you got it the wrong way around, son.
[00:01] <auctus> tried it on the TV too, doesnt work there either, so its like the laptop just doesnt see any HDMI anywhere, hmm
[00:06] <auctus> alright what in the actual fuck, rebooted (again), have not touched any config files, updated or installed anything today, reboot didnt fix it an hour ago, and yet now its fixed
[00:06] <auctus> so problem solved... i guess :p
[00:06] <tadaua> alright.. time to install this lubuntu, no more coffee in my cup and usb stick done.
[00:41] <spinningcat> is there a software to connect remote desktop of windows?
[00:42] <teward> spinningcat: any of a number of RDP clients (including Remmina)
[00:42] <teward> spinningcat: i assume yuo mean to connect *to* remote desktop sessions of Windows
[00:42] <teward> not connect *from* Windows to Ubuntu for remote desktop sessions of the Ubuntu system
[00:43] <spinningcat> teward,  yes
[00:43] <spinningcat> from ubuntu yes
[00:43] <spinningcat> remmina let me check that
[00:51] <Tin_man> Anydesk works both, from ubuntu, and from windows. So you can control from either.
[00:53] <fluvvell> has anyone successfully scaled two different PPI monitors in ubuntu ?
[00:54] <fluvvell> I have a 4k and a 1080p, and the window controls and fonts are... disparate!
[00:55] <fluvvell> running Ubuntu 18:04
[00:59] <fengshaun> Ubuntu lock screen keeps freezing after it locks from inactivity
[00:59] <fengshaun> and the sidebar (where the icons are on the left) shows up in lock screen
[00:59] <fengshaun> I have had to hard reset multiple times because of it
[00:59] <fengshaun> this is 18.10
[00:59] <fengshaun> no issue in 18.04
[01:00] <fengshaun> any solutions to this issue?
[01:00] <fengshaun> if not, how can I go about downgrading?
[01:00] <fengshaun> and how I restart the display manager? systemctl restart gdm3 doesn't do anything
[01:00] <fengshaun> I've lost work because of this issue
[01:01] <spinningcat> Tin_man,  with any desk someone have to need your connection
[01:03] <Tin_man> not mine
[01:03] <Tin_man> just dial in and control my ubuntu from my windows.. or vise versa
[01:04] <Tin_man> it has unattended access
[01:06] <spinningcat> snap instead of apt?
[01:07] <Tin_man> i just did sudo apt install anydesk
[01:07] <spinningcat> i did
[01:07] <spinningcat> sudo snap install remmina
[01:07] <Tin_man> i've not tried remmina. might sometime.
[01:08] <spinningcat> i have anydesk
[01:08] <spinningcat> ubuntu also have teamviewer
[01:08] <spinningcat> now remmina
[01:09] <Tin_man> yes I also like teamviewer, but they kinda pissed me off, so i went with anydesk.
[01:09] <teward> fengshaun: i've never heard of that being an issue, but as for downgrading there's no easy way to downgrade - mostly, you'd just do a clean install of the older version after backing up your data and then restore the data afterwards.
[01:09] <OerHeks> unlikely that anydesk the binairy blob is in our repos
[01:10] <OerHeks> btw would you trust such service through their servers?
[01:11] <Tin_man> all i use mine for is mudane chores, so not worried, I use it mostly to check on my dogs, through webcams.. when my wife and I are out.
[01:26] <databits> I'm having a problem.... when my lock screen pops up it is causing my audio to stop working. When I restart the audio works again. Any idea's ?
[01:32] <fengshaun> teward, *sigh* that's unfortunate
[01:51] <roracle> hey guys, what file manager lets me execute binary files and scripts from it?
[01:52] <roracle> i know thunar and nautilus don't let me, but is there any others that do?
[01:54] <OerHeks> maybe you need the nautilus-admin plugin
[01:54] <OerHeks> !info nautilus-admin
[01:54] <tgm4883> roracle: you can tell nautilus to run scripts in the preferences
[01:59] <roracle> OerHeks: this will allow executing binary files and .desktop/links/symlinks as well?  The issue is, I have a few pieces of software that only download in binary format (one easy example is ioQuake3) and it traditionally doesn't allow for it in the newer file managers (I'm not sure why, it's a rather basic function, and the explination from devs isn't convincing)
[02:01] <roracle> also tgm4883 see my above mention oerhek
[02:02] <tgm4883> roracle: it should, It would be easy enough to test
[02:03] <roracle> well i'm going between desktops testing things out, and i'm about to just do a fresh install because now i have too many config files and too many settings to too many things in my menus (and it's easier to just do a fresh install at this point) so i want to make sure i'll be able to install something that gets right to the point.
[02:04] <roracle> lol it feels like i'm back in the day running Mandrake with all these apps that do the same things lol
[02:04] <tgm4883> roracle: you shouldn't need to install anything to make that work
[02:04] <tgm4883> roracle: also, you shouldn't need to install, you could just make a new account
[02:04] <roracle> yeah, it just seemed to be complicated when i first started doing all this, that's the problem
[02:05] <roracle> so i'm at the point where i've backed things up and just ready for something fresh, no worries about all that really, i just want to make sure i install a distro that is going to have full capabilities of what i wanted to do here
[02:06] <roracle> but if nautilus can do this then there isn't an issue going to base ubuntu again, which seems to work best most of the time.  but i have yet another issue which is the global-menu (i really liked that feature from OSX and Unity, but now it seems like a pipe dream)
[03:53] <_Sym_> hi, I just installed 18.04 and I'm having an issue with livepatch-notif being defunct
[03:54] <_Sym_> is there a way to fix that?
[03:54] <_Sym_> fresh install
[04:30] <Net|> tinycorelinux is really neat stuff.
[04:46] <Net|> dcore is the ubuntu version but its minimal space requirements were still like 400 mb
[04:48] <Net|> i can fully load tinycore with dev packages and still be under 1gb
[04:48] <Net|> pcmanfm file manager
[04:50] <leftyfb> dcore is not the ubuntu version of tinycore
[04:50] <Net|> i used bionic packages for it
[04:51] <Net|> it uses sceload instead of tceload
[04:51] <leftyfb> It's not an official release and it's only affiliation is it uses the ubuntu repos for it's packages
[04:52] <leftyfb> The closest thing Ubuntu has is Ubuntu Core : https://www.ubuntu.com/core
[04:52] <Net|> it crappy part is the sce files need to be extracted each boot
[04:52] <Net|> its not like the tce squashfs packages
[04:55] <Net|> Ubuntu core 16 lts looks outdated
[05:09] <leftyfb> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/18/stable/current/
[05:22] <danst> hello
[05:22] <danst> how do you COMPLETELY disable video ouput
[05:22] <danst> i'm trying to passthrough intel integrated graphics
[05:23] <danst> and cannot do that because it vomits letters and changes mode when booting
[05:23] <danst> I want to see nothing while booting
[05:23] <danst> is that possible?
[05:23] <Net|> i was wondering how licences are suposed to be distributed in packages on the system ? /usr/local/licences/appname.licence ?
[05:24] <XATRIX> Hi, can you advice, i did upgrade from xenial -> bionic, and now it asks me to remove tons of packages...  I checked a random package for which release it belongs to, and it says it's from bionic...  Or are we really supposed to apt-file and then less it all?
[05:49] <Ouyes> is there any way that I can limit the buffer/cache used on ubuntu 14.04?  My os is using too much memory for cache/buffer, the application is running lack of memory, sometimes it failed to allocate memory.
[05:50] <epicmetal> Did the kernel package get renamed?
[05:50] <epicmetal> From linux-image-* to something else
[05:51] <Ouyes> epicmetal, ? what kernel package?
[05:52] <epicmetal> Ouyes: for example the package that owns /boot/vmlinuz* on 18.10
[05:52] <epicmetal> I don't have an installed system in front of me to check
[05:52] <Ouyes> epicmetal, how to check that? I get a ubuntu 14.04 amd64
[05:52] <epicmetal> Too old
[05:53] <epicmetal> Doesn't matter, I'll check later
[05:53] <epicmetal> Just trying to see if 18.10 is affected by this ext4 data loss bug
[05:54] <epicmetal> Seems like it's 4.18 but I'm not sure if an update bumps it
[06:03] <Ben64> Ouyes: buffer/cache doesn't stop applications from using memory
[06:04] <Ouyes> Ben64, it is ,  the free memory become really low, then there will be memory allocation failure
[06:05] <Ben64> Ouyes: that just means you ran out of memory, it's not because of cache
[06:56] <adamantium> Q: are LXD containers just hardened lxc, with seccomp and apparmor, etc, or do they use kvm in addition to that? I can't find a straight answer, I hear it called a "hypervisor" though, and I'm curious how this works.
[07:03] <ducasse> adamantium: they don't use kvm, ask in #lxcontainers for details
[07:04] <za1b1tsu> Anyone managet to install zathura mupdf plugin on ubuntu?
[07:07] <adamantium> ducasse: ty for that channel ..
[07:33] <pixel6692> Hello, you probably know it already or I want to report it, but archives are broken, they are recursively redirecting to the same folder.
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> pixel6692: wich archives
[07:55] <pixel6692> lotuspsychje: for example: http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  when i go to /ubuntu/, I get back to ubuntu ... or is it only for me?
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> pixel6692: yep, same issue on my side
[07:58] <pixel6692> same for de. sk. etc, etc.
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the report pixel6692 we will spread the word
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> pixel6692: the #ubuntu-mirrors guys say its normal behaviour, simlink to /
[08:04] <kreyren> One of my monitors (TV that i use as a monitor) keeps black screening randomly. Can you help me diagnose it and fix it?
[08:05] <SwedeMike> kreyren: as in flickering or it goes black parmanently and you have to do something?
[08:05] <kreyren> This issue seems to be triggered by running Artifact.
[08:05] <kreyren> SwedeMike: Goes black randomly and then it recovers.
[08:05] <SwedeMike> kreyren: how long is it black?
[08:06] <kreyren> SwedeMike: i would say up to 5 sec max.
[08:06] <adikwok> hello seniors, is there a way to sync android xiaomi, with ubuntu 18.04.1 without 3rd party cloud?  .. i need to sync my libreoffice, notes, calendar, gnome todo.
[08:06] <adikwok> thank you for advise
[08:07] <SwedeMike> kreyren: what resolution are you running? HDMI-cable? graphics hardware?
[08:07] <kreyren> SwedeMike: HDMI cable on 1080p 50/60Hz running AMD7870 on vulkan-mesa-drivers and AMDGPU.
[08:08] <SwedeMike> kreyren: how long is the HDMI cable?
[08:08] <kreyren> (radeon is blacklisted in /etc/default/grub)
[08:08] <kreyren> SwedeMike: 2m +-
[08:08] <kreyren> Note that it worked on Gentoo/Windows no issue before.
[08:09] <SwedeMike> kreyren: ok, that was interesting information.
[08:09] <SwedeMike> kreyren: if you would have mentioned that initially you would have saved both of us a lot of time.
[08:10] <kreyren> SwedeMike: meaning?
[08:10] <SwedeMike> kreyren: then I wouldn't have asked you any of the questions I asked you above.
[08:10] <kreyren> SwedeMike: i dont understand?
[08:11] <SwedeMike> kreyren: I tried to help you diagnose a potential hardware problem when there was none.
[08:11] <kreyren> SwedeMike: ?
[08:13] <SwedeMike> kreyren: most likely this is a driver problem. I have idea how to solve that. If you would have said before that it worked with a different operating system that would have ruled out a HW problem and I wouldn't even had to spend any time on it because I have no idea how to diagnose this driver problem.
[08:14] <Mathisen> http://xyproblem.info/
[08:14] <kreyren> SwedeMike: o.o
[08:15] <kreyren> SwedeMike: ok thanks for the info
[08:38] <Ouyes> do you guys have any quick input method for English, when you  are trying to key in long words, can the input method auto-generate when you typed the beginning 4 or 5 letters?
[08:59] <azi`> so I have a ubuntu installer on a USB, everytime I reformat the USB I always get booted by the installer prompt whne booting with the usb in
[08:59] <azi`> is there a way to wipe out the usb completely
[08:59] <azi`> I suspect there is a bootloader thing still present on the key
[09:01] <Mathisen> azi`, sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1k count=2048
[09:01] <Mathisen> change sdX to your usb
[09:02] <azi`> is this gonna get rid of the parition table as well?
[09:02] <Mathisen> everything yes
[09:02] <TJ-> Mathisen: and more if partition 1 starts at sector 34!
[09:03] <azi`> Mathisen: thanks
[09:03] <Mathisen> i kinda took it for granted that whatever was on sdX was ok to delete
[09:03] <Mathisen> TJ-, so it would not mather
[09:04] <TJ-> Mathisen: if the entire device is being (re)formatted then the boot-loader wouldn't survive. azi` Are you formatting the entire USB, or partitions on it?
[09:08] <azi`> TJ-: entire usb
[09:11] <TJ-> azi`: in which case doing e.g. "sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdZ" would wipe out any existing bootloader in sector 0.
[09:14] <azi`> TJ-: but doing what Mathisen suggested would not be a good idea?
[09:15] <TJ-> azi`: well, no, not if you've just written a file-system to the device!
[09:15] <Mathisen> not a bad idea, his idea may be more "sane"
[09:16] <TJ-> azi`: what Mathisen was recommending was wiping out any remains in the partitioning free space of a boot loader - that won't be there if the entire device is a file-system
[09:16] <TJ-> azi`: the problem is, the term "formatting it" is confusing since we can never be sure what the "it" is - the entire device, or a partition :)
[09:16] <azi`> i see, thank you guys
[09:17] <TJ-> azi`: and if by reformatting you mean writing another ISO image to it ... we'd expect it to boot :)
[09:18] <azi`> yeah i am making a bootable usb
[09:18] <azi`> since you guys seem to know this area
[09:18] <azi`> do you know if its possible to crete a bootable usb
[09:18] <azi`> that I can remove once ubuntu is loaded?
[09:18] <Mathisen> could have just dd whatever iso to your usb directly then
[09:19] <azi`> ie so that ubuntu is running completely from the ram
[09:19] <TJ-> azi`: sure, it's often done that way with full disk encryption
[09:19] <TJ-> azi`: Oh, hang on, that is something else entirely!
[09:20] <TJ-> azi`: when a Live ISO boots, it mounts a read-only squashfs and then makes a tmpfs overlay (tmpfs is RAM). It still needs the squashfs to be there on the USB itself though
[09:21] <TJ-> azi`: any *changes* get written only to RAM, but the PC still needs read-only access to the USB to load parts of the squashfs (which is the root file-system)
[09:21] <azi`> right
[09:21] <azi`> I wonder if there is a way to overcome that
[09:24] <TJ-> azi`: there is, but it would require some manual customisation. Assuming the PC has plenty of RAM (say at least 8GB) it would be possible to copy the squashfs into a RAM tmpfs using scripts in the initialramfs (initrd.img), and then pivot onto that rather than the USB. Once userspace starts the USB would be free to go
[09:25] <azi`> by manual you mean a script that would do that?
[09:25] <azi`> or system to system dependant customisation
[09:28] <TJ-> azi`: an additional custom script added into the ISO image
[09:58] <zoologist> I have a strange problem at home, maybe someone can help: I have a PC with a gtx760 and latest nvidia driver 415.xx, running ubuntu gnome
[09:59] <zoologist> xrandr sees my TV at 60 hz, nvidia-settings too, but in ubuntu settings the refresh rate can't go higher than 30hz
[09:59] <zoologist> and it's ofc rendering at 30hz
[09:59] <zoologist> seems like mutter can't catch the correct refresh rate
[09:59] <zoologist> any help is greatly appeciated
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> zoologist: i think ive seen a bug about mutter & refresh limit passby recently
[10:02] <zoologist> i've seen stuff like this on gitlab for various issues, but people are locked at 60hz because of hardcoded values, which is not my case
[10:03] <zoologist> also my gtx 760 is kinda old and i haven't tried 304 driver which seems to be the last to correctly support it
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> zoologist: can you check, if this suits your case? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1763892
[10:03] <zoologist> but i feel it's a mutter problem
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> zoologist: wich kernel are you on mate?
[10:04] <zoologist> last available as i upgraded yesterday
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> bionic?
[10:04] <zoologist> is 18.10 running wayland by default ?
[10:04] <zoologist> lotuspsychje: 18.10
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> zoologist: no, xorg is default
[10:04] <zoologist> the bug report is for wayland i think
[10:05] <zoologist> so it doesn't cover my case unfortunately
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> zoologist: a few ideas: test an LTS live to compare, try another kernel, try wayland login
[10:06] <zoologist> lotuspsychje: i'll try tonight, thank you
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> zoologist: i think, if there are known bugs about mutter not taking the correct rate, your case is something similar right
[10:20] <afx_> Hello everyone!
[10:20] <afx_> Can someone please help me with this : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2407182 ?
[10:25] <guiverc> afx_, a semi-recent ubuntu podcast talked about how you could re-program a second keyboard so that every key on it the second keyboard could be used as a programmable function key (ie. you can determine what each key does)...  I don't remember much about it, but it may be useful to your 'quest'..
[10:30] <afx_> guiverc, the strange thing is that the OS does not differentiate the keypress with NumLock enabled and disabled
[10:32] <guiverc> yes I'm not surprised with that (given the discussion, it was every key, or combination, eg. ctrl+1, shift+1 - but didn't allow for numlock on/off), but given it was programmable, I'd suspect you'd just have to toggle state on/off as to which function is called/performed...
[10:35] <zoologist> lotuspsychje: yes it seams to be. From what i understand about the issues tho is that they fallback on hardcoded values, which are missing their proper refresh rate
[10:36] <zoologist> mine doesn't seem to have hardcoded values, i get 30,03hz and a bunch of others close to 30
[10:36] <afx_> guiverc, this is the output of xev https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NJ5jzKtzy3/
[10:36] <afx_> guiverc, keycode is 90 but keysym is KP_Insert / KP_0
[10:38] <zoologist> lotuspsychje: and it the bug report it states wayland, i'm on Xorg
[10:39] <guiverc> afx_, i know nothing about it sorry, I just have two keyboards on my machine (my beloved model m, plus another with media keys) & liked the idea of using more than 5-7 keys on the second keyboard on my desk (plus my other desk..)
[10:40] <guiverc> (that's the main reason I took interest & remember some of the podcast talk..)
[10:40] <afx_> guiverc, so have you tried what this podcast was talking about ?
[10:40] <TJ-> afx_: usually there are 2 symbols associated with those keys. NumLock on should select the first, NumLock off the second
[10:40] <afx_> Not yet I suppose :)
[10:41] <guiverc> nope - i loved the idea, and would love to, but haven't tried (and doubt I would.. - it was interesting to me..)
[10:41] <afx_> TJ-, is there a way I can force that feature , cause atm I think there is only one symbol associated
[10:42] <afx_> guiverc, ok np
[10:46] <TJ-> afx_: in your forum post you said "However when I set the keyboard shortcut  ..." ... how/where are you setting the shortcut, because the symptom sounds like that tool is actually using the underlying key-code, not the key-symbol
[10:49] <afx_> TJ-, https://ibb.co/cbJkgrz
[10:50] <afx_> With NumLock ON/OFF same shortcut is triggered , i.e. Switch to workspace 1/2 , TJ-
[10:50] <TJ-> afx_: is the Gnome?
[10:50] <afx_> TJ-, yes
[10:51] <TJ-> afx_: I don't use that so not familiar with what it does under the hood, but if NumLock works in normal typing, the symtpoms you describe match the behaviour I suggested
[10:52] <afx_> TJ-,  "NumLock on should select the first, NumLock off the second " . This behaviour is what I need
[10:54] <afx_> in normal typing NumLock works correctly, when assigning to keyboard shortcuts same keysymbol is selected regardless of NumLock's state
[10:54] <TJ-> afx_: right, but it sounds like the shortcut is mapped to the underlying key-code, doesn't it? because the key has 1 key-code but the symbol is changed based on another key's state
[10:54] <TJ-> afx_: I gave up on Gnome years ago
[10:55] <afx_> TJ-, exactly . Would love to change this behaviour
[10:56] <afx_> perhaps with 3rd party software like xmodmap or xbindkeys?
[10:58] <Triffid_Hunter> afx_: you want your keyboard to send different keycodes based on whether the numlock light is illuminated?
[10:58] <Triffid_Hunter> I mean I guess it's possible to reprogram one to do that, but literally nothing expects that behaviour
[10:58] <afx_> Triffid_Hunter, this is my problem https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2407182
[11:00] <TJ-> Triffid_Hunter: no, it is expected to emit key symbols, but it apparently isn't doing that
[11:00] <afx_> and this is my settings in Gnome https://ibb.co/cbJkgrz
[11:01] <afx_> Insert (keypad) is somehow indicating that the shortcut will be trigged ONLY from keypad where Insert is typed when NumLock is OFF
[11:02] <TJ-> afx_: this might give you a clue to follow up https://askubuntu.com/questions/317448/keyboard-shortcuts-are-not-working-with-numlock-key-on
[11:02] <TJ-> afx_: e.g. "Mod2" key
[11:02] <TJ-> afx_: maybe there's another shortcut that is interfering?
[11:03] <afx_> let me check
[11:05] <afx_> Unfortunately no ! The only assignment to Insert is the one I made for move to workspace
[11:08] <TJ-> afx_: this sounds interesting: "With this option selected, using Shift with keys on the numerical pad when NumLock is off extends the current selection."
[11:09] <TJ-> afx_: this is apparently in the Keyboard preferences as "Shift with numpad keys works as in MS Windows."
[11:09] <TJ-> afx_: not clear how old that is though. Here's the page in case it helps: https://people.gnome.org/~bmsmith/build/prefs-keyboard.html
[11:12] <afx_> TJ-, ok with Shift and NumLock off , I get 0 when typing 0/Ins . It's like I have NumLock ON . this is confusing :)
[11:12] <afx_> sry will be back asap
[11:51] <Finalight> hello everyone. i'm thinking of buying an intel core2 laptop for the purpose of learning linux with the ubuntu distro. would a core2 be good enough as in decent/quick for even the display environment
[11:57] <alish> Hi, I have lubuntu 18.04. recently I had fresh install (i needed to use windows for a while then I return back). I'm using openconnect for vpn. after using it for several hours, everything (especially things that interact with terminal) get freeze. when I try to restart system, it show trying to stop "avahi" but it can't. I've searched but hadn't find anything useful.
[11:59] <Finalight> alish what is your error log say, if you have one. i dont know ubuntu but i know centos. well alittle but perhaps i can help
[12:00] <alish> I'm going to find it.
[12:10] <alish> Finalight, this is log before system freeze=> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xC4GhXGT9P/
[12:15] <Finalight> alish; hmm
[12:15] <Finalight> alish; did you read https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/271-i-can-ping-through-the-tunnel-but-any-real-work-causes-it-to-lock-up-is-this-an-mtu-problem
[12:16] <Finalight> alish; wait, openconnect
[12:16] <alish> i'm using openconnect from ubuntuu repos
[12:16] <Finalight> There is a channel #openconnect apparently.
[12:17] <Finalight> Maybe they can provide help as I cannot :(
[12:17] <Finalight> alish; i think people will be here if you can wait
[12:18] <alish> Finalight, thanks, I'm here (til next freeze :D )
[12:18] <alish> I paste my question there
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:24] <XATRIX> Hi , can you advice ? I'm just upgraded from xenial -> bionic
[12:24] <XATRIX> and trying to install teamaviewer
[12:24] <XATRIX> But got into trouble
[12:25] <XATRIX> https://pastebin.com/5c5zSXAb
[12:26] <alish> XATRIX, just use gdebi
[12:26] <XATRIX> alish: the same
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> XATRIX: teamviewer is not an official package of ubuntu, it adds external ppa's to your system that 'could' get you in trouble
[12:28] <XATRIX> lotuspsychje: sure, but it doesn't want to install neither from ppa, nor from the directly downloaded .deb
[12:29] <XATRIX> i think i have some problems with that libqt5gui5 lib
[12:29] <alish> xatrix, have  you checked that .deb file added any source to sourcelist?
[12:30] <XATRIX> no, it didn't
[12:32] <alish> xatrix, I was thinking about installing qt separately. although I'm not sure.
[12:32] <alish> it seems they built the app using qt5
[12:33] <XATRIX> ok, but can i do it via apt ?
[12:35] <alish> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qt5&searchon=names&suite=all
[12:35] <Rembo> hello, i have a .sh script who works, but when i try to execute from pam.d folder/sshd,some if functions doesn't work anymore : session optional pam_exec.so seteuid /etc/ssh/login-notify.sh , is this executed with a different interpretor or something?
[12:35] <alish> xatrix, or finding your version from qt => https://wiki.qt.io/Install_Qt_5_on_Ubuntu
[12:40] <Rembo> can anyone help?
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Rembo
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> XATRIX: unmet dependencies mostly result out of adding external ppa's to your system
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> XATRIX: maybe take a look in your sources.list?
[12:43] <afx_> guiverc, I think something like this would work https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/35649/second-keyboard-to-run-commands
[12:43] <XATRIX> lotuspsychje: ok, lets see
[12:43] <afx_> TJ-, check this ---^ too
[12:45] <guiverc> thanks afx_ :)
[13:35] <dingir_> hi
[13:35] <dingir_> im trying to unzip a file https://pastebin.com/A0QC03P6
[13:35] <dingir_> what does it mean?
[13:37] <TJ-> dingir_: what it says; there is a file where directory is expected
[13:37] <dingir_> but whats the matter
[13:37] <dingir_> on windows it works just as normal
[13:37] <dingir_> do i need to add extra options? i dont understand whats going on
[13:38] <dingir_> there is no file where directory is expected
[13:38] <dingir_> unzip *is expected to create it
[13:40] <TJ-> dingir_: it is possible the .zip file has been extended and contains both a file and directory of the same name; use "unzip -l ..." to check that
[13:41] <dingir_> hrmm
[13:41] <TJ-> dingir_: which ubuntu release are you using?
[13:41] <dingir_> why does it work on windows
[13:41] <dingir_> UnZip 6.00 of 20 April 2009
[13:45] <leftyfb> dingir_: Which version of ubuntu are you running? Also, the fact that "it" works on Windows is completely unrelated.
[13:45] <dingir_> no im on gentoo
[13:46] <leftyfb> !gentoo | dingir_
[13:47] <leftyfb> !mint | dingir_
[13:47] <dingir_> i see
[13:47] <leftyfb> dingir_: good luck. Feel free to try #gentoo
[13:47] <TJ-> looks like it's an incorrectly formatted ZIP file; directory paths SHOULD have a trailing / ... if not it is likely a zero-length file is created instead
[13:47] <dingir_> may the force be with me
[13:48] <dingir_> yea the file is bad im pretty sure about it
[13:48] <dingir_> what a bunch of morons its from tplink website itself
[13:48] <dingir_> never happened to not be able to unzip a file, wow!
[13:50] <sruli> in 18.04 my thunderbird icon does not show number of new messages, what am i missing?
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> sruli: the snap or the apt thunderbird?
[13:56] <sruli> lotuspsychje: apt thunderbird
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> sruli: do you mean email count inside thunderbird, or actually on the dock icon?
[13:57] <sruli> lotuspsychje: in the icon dock
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> sruli: in unity or gnome?
[13:58] <sruli> lotuspsychje: gnome, i have it installed on 3 machines works in 2 but not on my main one, google wasnt helpful
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> sruli: your 2 other computers are also gnome?
[14:00] <sruli> lotuspsychje: yes same apt thunderbird
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> sruli: is this what happens to you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/1726116
[14:02] <sruli> lotuspsychje: no, it just does not display a counter at all
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> sruli: could you launch thunderbird from terminal please, see if we can catch errors?
[14:04] <sruli> lotuspsychje: just tested it, it only shows the counter for the first new email time after launching it, after that no more counter
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> sruli: so it does work, for the first
[14:08] <sruli> lotuspsychje: yes only for the first, but i only realised it because i tried to restart it before for this normally it would run for weeks without restart
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> sruli: try sending an email to yourself with thunderbird closed, then launch
[14:08] <diskin> installed 8.04 and noticed that when battery power ends, it shuts down (instead of going to sleep or hibernate). where to check these settings please?
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> diskin: i hope you mean 18.04?
[14:09] <diskin> lotuspsychje, yes, sorry!
[14:10] <diskin> I had 8.04 too, but it was years ago..
[14:12] <sruli> lotuspsychje: now it works hasnt been for the past week, will monitor it and see what happens
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> !yay | sruli
[14:13] <sruli> lotuspsychje: i didnt do nada, some magic wand at work here, i dont like magic
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> sruli: alot of magic happens in #ubuntu
[14:13] <sruli> ;-)
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> diskin: you can check the gnome systemsettings energy
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> !info laptop-mode-tools | diskin ==>also handy
[14:15] <diskin> lotuspsychje, settings -> power say: automatic suspend, when on battery, delay: 20 min
[14:16] <diskin> thanks, installed laptop-mode-tools, will research and monitor
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> diskin: personally i disable hibernate, when computer not in use i shutdown
[14:19] <diskin> lotuspsychje, I'm normally on AC power, but sometimes I forgot to plug it in when come home. Decided to "train" my battery, but got pulled to something else and when returned, it was shut down
[14:24] <vincenzoml> Hi, I want to use midi-over-bluetooth on linux
[14:25] <vincenzoml> Everywhere they say it should work out of the box with the bluez stack. Apparently, the bluez stack is what ubuntu uses (can you confirm?). But I get no midi after pairing and connecting the controller.
[14:25] <vincenzoml> I tried to run "debian/rules binary" in the source directory after apt source bluez
[14:25] <vincenzoml> And it seems like "--enable-midi" is not ON in the configuration.
[14:25] <vincenzoml> Questions: 1) is debian/rules binary the right way to rebuild the package and 2) is editing the rules file the right way to change the way configure is invoked?
[14:27] <vincenzoml> and 3) how do I prevent future upgrades to override my choice? And 4) how can I create a ppa with my modified version and keep it up-to-date automatically?? And I stop for now and await your answer :)
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> diskin: perhaps set auto hibernate on battery 5min
[14:29] <diskin> lotuspsychje, I don't have this option, only suspend, and it did not work. but I will restart (after installing laptop-mode-tools) and check again
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> diskin: in power options you should have an automatic hibernate option
[14:30] <diskin> lotuspsychje, perhaps it depends on bios settings, or such. I don't have it.
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> diskin: https://i1.wp.com/websiteforstudents.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ubuntu_power_suspend.png?resize=640%2C460&ssl=1
[14:31] <blackflow> vincenzoml: 1) no, src debs are built with special tools like dpkg-buildpackage; 2) I think so, yes; 3) you can't, you have to manage it manually; 4) https://askubuntu.com/questions/71510/how-do-i-create-a-ppa
[14:34] <blackflow> vincenzoml: small correction to 3), I guess you can raise epoch and the upstream updates won't be considered as "newer". but you'll have to keep an eye on such updates and rebuild your own package accordingly
[14:34] <blackflow> vincenzoml: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version
[14:38] <vincenzoml> blackflow, thanks; using "manual" mode (debian/rules binary) produced "dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for) "usr/lib/*/libbluetooth.so.3"" at some point and it stopped, which comes as a surprise anyway
[14:38] <vincenzoml> I'll retry with dpkg-buildpackage
[14:39] <blackflow> vincenzoml: btw, you'll need all the building dependencies installed. Take a look at this: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial
[14:41] <vincenzoml> blackflow, I used to rebuild packages like ten years ago, so I did the basics, installed build-deps, figured out that with "--enable-midi" I also need libasound2-dev, and started the build, but it is surprising that it exits with error after such steps
[14:42] <vincenzoml> Now I'm following a guide suggesting to use "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" ... in the meantime perhaps I could locate the official ubuntu guide
[14:42]  * tarzeau switched to using debuild
[14:43] <vincenzoml> Perhaps I could follow this guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb but it uses debuild, as @tarzeau suggests
[14:44] <blackflow> vincenzoml: sure. it's been a while since I did it too so perhaps that's a better tool
[14:44] <vincenzoml> anyway, I just rebuilt the packages and reinstalled them. Do you know wheter it is sufficient to "service restart bluetooth"?
[14:46] <vincenzoml> YESSS...
[14:47] <vincenzoml> my sensel morph is now connected via bluetooth, good bless linux. So blackflow I suppose I only have to build the ppa... and submit a bug for enabling that option perhaps
[14:48] <blackflow> won't hurt.
[14:48] <sruli> i need a micr scanner, cannot find any which support linux, anyone know any?
[14:49] <vincenzoml> Now to the more serious support things. Even since when I didn't replace bluez with my own, I have this device that stays connected for a while, and then starts disconnecting and reconnecting. On the machine (vaio pro 13) bluetooth was never reliable, but how can I debug the specific issue?
[14:52] <blackflow> ever since when you didn't.... can you rephrase that pls? you just segfaulted my brain.
[14:52] <blackflow> (and BT on linux is a mess)
[14:53] <vincenzoml> blackflow, I meant: even with the original package
[14:54] <vincenzoml> "Even", not "ever", but sorry for messing up with english :)
[14:54] <vincenzoml> Yes bluetooth in linux is sometimes a mess
[14:57] <aruns> Hey guys, working on a client server running Ubuntu 18.04, trying to get wifi up and running but no luck so far.
[14:57] <aruns> 18.04 now uses Netplan it seems.
[14:58] <aruns> It is a backup server so not production.
[15:17] <MWM> I need a browser for a massively old machine.  Installed current lubuntu but the web browser constantly crashes.  Connection is otherwise fine, except for the browser.  a little digging shows that most modern browsers require SSE2 (which I do not have)
[15:18] <MWM> Ive tried a few but most everything crashes out of the box.  Firefox, chromium, maxthon, qupzilla, and palemoon.  Best was qupzilla, but only worked on 16.04 :(
[15:18] <ioria> MWM, what's your cpu ?
[15:19] <aruns> Figured out my issue, nvm.
[15:19] <MWM> athlon xp2600+ = cpu
[15:19] <Platonides> MWM: seems it was not build for a real x86
[15:19] <Platonides> Debian had that bug, too but then fixed it
[15:20] <MWM> I may cry if I have to install debian.  Ive already cycled through several different OS's before settling on lubuntu (which works in every other respect)
[15:20] <Younder> 10.600 EUR for a unigine designer llibrary.  OMG
[15:21] <ioria> MWM, can you paste /proc/cpuinfo ? i think that cpu supports sse
[15:21] <Younder> And.. I bought it ;)
[15:22] <Younder> One of these day's we have tot to do a FOSS ws. DUNS
[15:22] <MWM> I cant paste it.  Im using another machine for this chat.  I can look though.  SSE*2* though isnt listed in the specs for the cpu.  Ill check on the actual machine though....
[15:23] <ioria> MWM, never mind
[15:23] <MWM> SSE is listed under "flags" SSE2 is not though
[15:24] <ioria> MWM, yeah
[15:24] <Younder> SSE2 is supported on virtially all intel CPU's for the øast decade
[15:25] <blackflow> Athlon tho'
[15:25] <leftyfb> MWM's CPU was from June 2002
[15:25] <leftyfb> 16 years ago
[15:25] <leftyfb> time to upgrade
[15:26] <Younder> MMX was 1998..
[15:26] <rud0lf> BMX > MMX
[15:26] <ioria> MWM, FF ESR maybe
[15:26] <MWM> yeah I know, just trying to work some magic for someone else to have a browsing machine.   I tried most of the chromebook-style small footprint OS's first but lubuntu is still king in usability
[15:27] <leftyfb> MWM: $35 would get you a Raspberry Pi with a better user experience than that machine
[15:27] <MWM> FF ESR would have been an option earlier on but recently dropped support (version 48 IIRC)
[15:28] <Younder> I just got 10 PI 3 B's for 300 $
[15:28] <MWM> leftyfb: I know, just trying to do a solid for someone who only needs workd processing and light/general web browsing and doesnt want to spend on an upgrade
[15:28] <leftyfb> MWM: the pi would be an upgrade for that machine. You've already spent more time than the machine is worth.
[15:29] <Greyztar> Younder: where you bought them though?
[15:29] <Younder> Element 14
[15:29] <ioria> MWM, Pale Moon
[15:30] <leftyfb> I'm sure w3m would work great on that machine though
[15:30] <blackflow> on modern net? har har har har
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> !info links2 | MWM
[15:31] <leftyfb> It fits the performance of the machine
[15:31] <MWM> Palemoon supposedly has a version that doesnt require SSE2 but I couldnt find it in their repo.  following instructions from https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:stevenpusser&package=palemoon got me a version that crashed immediately
[15:33] <Younder> Greyztar, Remember though with a PI everything needs to be bought seperatly, Card, MicroSSD, Casing, HDMI cable, Eternet cable (it you don't use wireless, micro USB to USB cable, USB power sullpy.. And you need a keyboard, mouse and screen. THis adds price
[15:33] <MWM> Links2 is *perfect* Ty.
[15:34] <ioria> MWM, no vids on links
[15:34] <Greyztar> Younder: yes thanks for that,i already got one and have some spare stuff i could use with it,not for many but 1 or 2 perhaps,nifty small computers
[15:35] <Younder> Greyztar, Love em.. I have 25..
[15:36] <MWM> ioria: meh.  its fine for the purpose.  email, works, basic research can be done.  If they want better than thatm then they can upgrade or get a smartphone :P
[15:36] <Greyztar> Younder: haha maybe someday ill have my own cluster aswell ,for now though ill have to make due with my raspberry 2 got in present :)
[15:36] <Younder> Greyztar, Well the 1b's have been retired
[15:36] <MWM> Thanks everyone :)
[15:36] <ioria> ok
[15:37] <MWM> damn I think schools should give these to kids just to show them how awesome modern tech is :D
[15:38] <leftyfb> MWM: that is why the pi was invented
[15:38] <MWM> now to skin this puppy to look like WinXP!
[15:38] <leftyfb> :/
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> MWM: i know something better: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/08/windows-95-electron-app
[15:41] <sam_wong1> I am running Ubuntu 18.04 and getting connected to "freenode" by Thunderbird. Can anyone tell me why the names under the "Participants" column are all dimmed no matter which channels I joined? I posted my request for help through the channel "#thunderbird" but received no reply.
[15:43] <MWM> They can shove windows 95 into an electron app but I still cant run octoprint on my android.
[15:45] <sruli> how do i install package from 16.04 in 18.04? i dont like the new version of torcs i want the version from 16.04
[15:48] <nacc> sruli: that's not a recommended approch
[15:48] <nacc> *approach
[15:49] <leftyfb> ^
[15:49] <sruli> nacc: i know my other option is not not use it any more which is not an option i like ;-)
[15:49] <leftyfb> sruli: or just adapt to new versions of things. That's how technology works
[15:49] <nacc> sruli: well,  you can run it in a VM, as well. Or get used to the new version.
[15:49] <nacc> sruli: or pay canonical eventually and you can use 16.04 for a while :)
[15:50] <sruli> the dynamics of the game changed, does not work for what i used to do :-(
[15:50] <BluesKaj> sam_wong1, is your nick registered in freenode?
[15:51] <sam_wong1> blueskaj: I think so
[15:51] <nacc> sruli: 'dynamics'? is that a complain you should take up with upstream?
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> sruli: if you find a bug in a package, you can report it if you like
[15:52] <sruli> nacc: i dont use it the way it is intended so cant really complain
[15:52] <BluesKaj> sam_wong1 or there could be a viewer option in the thunderbird irc client that needs configuring
[15:53] <sam_wong1> I registered my nick by Hexchat last month but now I just want to group all activities into thunderbird for easy access
[15:54] <nacc> sruli: i see :)
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> sruli: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/torcs/+bugs
[15:59] <sam_wong1> I did search the Preferences for clues but could find any relevance tags for adjustment
[16:12] <BluesKaj> sam_wong1, recommend you use Hexchat instead of the T-bird chat client, think it's more secure .
[16:13] <forester> Hi. Some time ago I downloaded videos from youtube with Firefox with addons. Now I can't do it. Why?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> forester: every firefox version needs it specific addons versions
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> forester: maybe an update disabled your addon?
[16:14] <sam_wong1> blueskaj: I am trying to figure out what the problem is. Perhaps I have to resort to Hexchat if the problem remains unsolved.
[16:15] <forester> I suppose the reason is a new politics of youtube or not?
[16:17] <coconut> forester: might be that youtube updated something while the addon did not yet. I would use the youtube-dl from terminal until the addon gets an update.
[16:18] <forester> coconut: thank you
[16:20] <MJCD> hey
[16:20]  * vigilant slaps MJCD around a bit with a large trout
[16:21] <MJCD> is there some way to allow login to my ubuntu machine that I can manage using something similar to oauth2
[16:21] <MJCD> like signups via email address
[16:22] <MJCD> I suppose I can just make a thing run `adduser` on signup
[16:22] <MJCD> and set the password as their access token
[16:23] <MJCD> but realistically I just want to allow anyone to log in with oauth2
[16:23] <MJCD> even via CLI
[16:24] <BluesKaj> sam_wong1, think you'll like Hexchat more anyway :-)
[16:28] <sam_wong1> BluesKay: I used to work with Hexchat and it should be a problem to me.
[16:28] <sam_wong1> BluesKay: I used to work with Hexchat and it shouldn't be a problem to me.
[16:31] <sam_wong1> However, if I am able to group email, RSS, newsgroup and chatroom into one software, my life will become easier.
[16:35] <leftyfb> sam_wong1: I prefer to run software that is good at the task it was made for. As opposed to being semi-good or not good at all at multiple tasks that were thrown in as an afterthought
[16:36] <sam_wong1> leftyfb: you have a point there
[16:37] <sam_wong1> leftyfb: I appreciate your advice
[16:41] <nekoexmachina> hello there! I've used to configure my nvidia optimus setup using bumblebee, this time ubuntu has proposed to use nvidia videocard for all rendering. How is that achieved? Cant google relevant documentation.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> nekoexmachina: bumblebee is no longer valid, its nvidia-prime now
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> nekoexmachina: nvidia-prime gets installed togheter with the nvidia driver you choose
[16:43] <nekoexmachina> lotuspsychje: thanks for the name of the solution, will try to find docs.
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> nekoexmachina: ubuntu-drivers list to see the driver(s) for your system
[16:44] <nekoexmachina> yeah i noticed - it works automatically rn, the way i want it, too (this laptop doesn't depend much on its battery so i prefer stuff to be rendered through nvidia). was very curious on how does it work overall.
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> nekoexmachina: in nvidia-settings you can choose the performance mode or power saving mode
[17:29] <anupam> Hi all I am facing a strange problem in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. After I gave the shutdown command, the system shut down but the power is on. i have to press the physical key and then the power button off. May I know the reason1 and any solution for that https://pasteboard.co/HQ31cJD.jpg
[17:36] <TJ-> anupam: sounds like a firmware ACPI issue
[17:37] <anupam> any one please help me out
[17:37] <anupam> Hi all I am facing a strange problem in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. After I gave the shutdown command, the system shut down but the power is on. i have to press the physical key and then the power button off. May I know the reason and any solution for that, screenshot is attached here  https://pasteboard.co/HQ31cJD.jpg
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> anupam: we have seen your question the first time
[17:39] <anupam> lotuspsychje, ok,  sorry for repeating it.
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> anupam: maybe if you could pastebin your syslog/dmesg volunteers can take a look for you?
[17:39] <anupam> lotuspsychje, how to do that please help me
[17:43] <EquusGrevyi> Hi folks, it appears the latest kernel update (4.18.0-12) has disabled my wifi card (rtl8822be) but it is working fine with the previous kernel (4.18.0-11). How would I go about restoring this?
[17:44] <anupam> please find the dmesg here http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/mh_bjrDJ
[17:47] <anupam> and also the syslog information http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/bEObDT2o
[17:52] <TJ-> anupam: Lots of ACPI errors as I expected
[17:52] <anupam> TJ-, any solution
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> EquusGrevyi: realtek is very picky on kernel versions
[17:56] <TJ-> anupam: might be worth trying a very recent mainline kernel since that PC model appears to be quite new
[17:56] <TJ-> !mainline | anupam
[17:56] <EquusGrevyi> lotuspsychje: That's unfortunate but this was just a minor patch right? It's same root version 4.18.
[17:56] <TJ-> !hwe | anupam: another option is
[17:57] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: what do you mean by "disabling the wifi card" do you mean it no longer works with any kernel version?
[17:57] <anupam> TJ-, ok
[17:57] <NonSecwitter> does ubuntu keep a tcp connection log by default?
[17:57] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: No, 4.18.0-11 (and -10) worked fine. -12 doesn't. I can reboot into the old kernel and functionality is restored.
[17:58] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: ok, so the device isn't disabled, just that it doesn't work as expected.
[17:58] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: can you capture, from -12, "dmesg > $HOME/dmesg-12.log" and then pastebin that file ?
[17:59] <EquusGrevyi> Sure can
[18:06] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jdp2n66KdT/ There you go! Hope that's right.
[18:06] <ash_worksi> is it unwise to want to remove the listings of a particular program from showing up when you type `dpkg -l ...` even if it says 'un' or 'rc' ?
[18:06] <ash_worksi> (I think you can with like `apt-purge` or something)
[18:06] <roracle> how do I install Helvetica font?  I'm writing a book and there are standards, and I'd rather not have to go back later after 100 pages of text, but set things up properly as it currently stands
[18:07] <ash_worksi> it's just I have `un  ...  <none>  <none>  (no description available)` for many chromium programs
[18:08] <mutante> roracle: apt-cache search helvetica   (to see packages mentioning it)
[18:09] <ash_worksi> I don't remember how to do that really
[18:10] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: something wrong there; looks like something edited most of the info out!
[18:11] <EquusGrevyi> Holdup let me see if I can grab dmesg without scrollback
[18:13] <ash_worksi> should I _not_ be trying to get rid of `un  ...  <none>  <none>  (no description available)` from dpkg ?
[18:14] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: try this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VdvF9RG5gN/ That's raw dmesg out of console
[18:20] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: I see the device but not spotted the driver loading as yet
[18:21] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: ahhhh, that's better!! I can read that :)
[18:21] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Strange right? It's still recognised in lspci too
[18:22] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: I don't see the Ethernet driver loaded either
[18:22] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: I suspect you didn't install the modules package
[18:23] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: when booted to -12 does "modinfo r8812be" report the module ?
[18:24] <EquusGrevyi> It says it can't be found D:
[18:24] <ash_worksi> should I _not_ be trying to get rid of `un  ...  <none>  <none>  (no description available)` from dpkg ?
[18:24] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: but I did find the r8169 driver there, so it's not a general problem
[18:25] <roracle> mutante: i've installed various things at this point, but I don't see Helvetica as an option in LibreOffice
[18:25] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Yeah, it seems to literally just be the WiFi component that's not working. If I turn the bluetooth module on and leave it on that appears OK.
[18:26] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: try this: "ls -l /lib/modules/4.18.0-12-lowlatency/kernel/drivers/staging/rtlwifi/r8822be.ko "
[18:27] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: oh no, bet you're using the generic kernel, not lowlatency
[18:27] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: try this: "ls -l /lib/modules/4.18.0-12-generic/kernel/drivers/staging/rtlwifi/r8822be.ko "
[18:27] <tgm4883> ash_worksi: why would you need to get rid of that?
[18:27] <roracle> yeah, even in my system fonts, Helvetica isn't available at all
[18:29] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Shows it exists with root ownership etc.
[18:29] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: hmmm, try this: "grep -i '10ec.*b822' /lib/modules/4.18.0-12*/mod* "
[18:32] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: No such file or directory :/
[18:32] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: aha!
[18:32] <EquusGrevyi> I can grab a kmod list if that helps
[18:32] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: now do "sudo depmod" then re-run the grep
[18:32] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: oh, is it running -12 right now?
[18:32] <ash_worksi> tgm4883: I don't think I _need_ to really; but I want to completely reinstall chromium and somehow I doubt all those fields are legit empty with the official package, but when I do reinstall, they're still empty
[18:33] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Yeah, I cna grab the kmod list for -12 and -11 for you
[18:33] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: don't need it, just need to rebuild the module caches
[18:33] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: if it is running -12 now then you can do the "sudo depmod" and that should fix it
[18:34] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: if not, use "sudo depmod 4.18.0-12-generic"
[18:34] <roracle> guy, i really need to install the Helvetica font and none of the packages install it.  they all have it in the search function, but after installing all the packages, it doesn't show up.  not in system fonts, not in LibreOffice, nothing.
[18:34] <tgm4883> ash_worksi: Assuming you want to remove the user specific settings for that app, reinstalling is not the way to do it
[18:34] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: And then reboot?
[18:34] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: does the grep now show the module?
[18:35] <tgm4883> ash_worksi: those types of settings are kept in your home directory and uninstalling/removing/purging doesn't touch those files
[18:35] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: No :(
[18:35] <ash_worksi> tgm4883: hmm I see
[18:35] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: so there must be a problem with the modules
[18:36] <ash_worksi> tgm4883: whole some files in ~/.config/chromium affect the output of dpkg -l ?
[18:36] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: try this: "sudo apt --reinstall install linux-modules-4.18.0-12-generic"
[18:37] <ash_worksi> tgm4883: like, would removing those files and then reinstalling chromium show accurate fields for dpkg -l?
[18:38] <tgm4883> ash_worksi: I think you should probably just ignore the output of dpkg -l for this. It's listed as uninstalled.
[18:39] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: No improvement, WiFi is still not showing up
[18:40] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: try the grep command once more; the module will not load if it isn't in the alias lists
[18:41] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Still no such file or directory
[18:42] <ioria> TJ-, might be in linux-modules-extra-
[18:42] <EquusGrevyi> ioria: I'll give that package an install and see what happens
[18:43] <MikeRL> Anyone know what command to run when you want to uninstall a compiled program?
[18:43] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: does this report the module details? " modinfo /lib/modules/4.18.0-12-*/kernel/drivers/staging/rtlwifi/r8822be.ko"
[18:43] <tgm4883> MikeRL: rm <filename>
[18:43] <TJ-> ioria: no, it's installed, and in linux-modules-4.18.0-12-generic
[18:43] <ioria> ah, ok
[18:44] <ash_worksi> tgm4883: nonetheless... should i remove those files?
[18:44] <tgm4883> ash_worksi: the ones in ~/.config/chromium ? I'd move that directory and then try reinstalling before just deleting it
[18:44] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Yeeeees I get some information back from that
[18:44] <MikeRL> But I think git installed stuff to multiple locations. How do I know what to rm?
[18:44] <TJ-> ioria: based on what EquusGrevyi is reporting, the depmod isn't adding it to the modules.alias
[18:45] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: right, do you see an 'alias' line?
[18:45] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: and, does it look like this (exactly) "alias:          pci:v000010ECd0000B822sv*sd*bc*sc*i* "
[18:46] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Yup that matches
[18:47] <tgm4883> MikeRL: this is one of the downsides to compiling from source. If there's not a utility provided to uninstall and you didn't document what was installed then I think you're in a tough space
[18:47] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: so let's check the module.alias again, which should be generated by depmod
[18:47] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: does the PC have network connectivity ?
[18:47] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: when it's using -12 that is?
[18:48] <MikeRL> tgm4883, Can I just compile and install the new version of git on top of it?
[18:48] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Sadly not in -12, but in -11 yes.
[18:48] <tgm4883> MikeRL: Probably.
[18:48] <MikeRL> tgm4883, or will that cause issues?
[18:48] <MikeRL> There sadly is no make uninstall file.
[18:49] <MikeRL> err no makefile.
[18:49] <tgm4883> MikeRL: it could potentially cause issues, but I doubt it would
[18:49] <MikeRL> With the option to uninstall.
[18:49] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: R8822BE module disappears between -12 and -11 in kmod list, check mac80211 entries. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pwx5mKszVt/
[18:49] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: OK, so can you do this: "pastebinit <( ls -latr /lib/modules/4.18.0-12-*/ ; grep -i B822 /lib/moduiles/4.18.0-12-*/modules.alias )"
[18:49] <MikeRL> I compiled from source because I was trying to build on cosmic and the bundled git had issues.
[18:49] <kurra> Recently got introduced to KVM and passthrough. Host: Ubuntu 18.04 Guest: Windows 10 Pro. Why? to exclusively play AAA games on Windows steam/origin and others. Not sure why my friend would virtualize, passthrough 2nd video card and use windows. Is there a main advantage on this rather than natively use Windows? aside from linux being the host.
[18:50] <MikeRL> it was segfaulting.
[18:50] <ash_worksi> so, `dpkg -l chromium` lists it as 'u', unknown; and `apt-get install chromium` says there's no installation candidate... how did this even get on my computer? Accidentally adding a repo and updating chromium?
[18:51] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: I had a typo in the grep path; can you fix it? s/moduiles/modules/
[18:51] <Mathisen> kurra, nope, can just as good dualboot. but i guess it is nice to just fire a upp a VM when you need win
[18:51] <tgm4883> kurra: not really a support question, better for #ubuntu-discuss but to answer you question to prevent the need to reboot
[18:52] <kurra> @mathisen he is constantly using it.
[18:52] <kurra> the guest that is.
[18:52] <ash_worksi> also, is there a way to see what the package name is of software found on "ubuntu software"?
[18:54] <Mathisen> kurra, well does not mather anyway. can be done both ways win ans host or linux as host... you know the answer for the question to skip the need for switching OS with a reboot
[18:54] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5zcCbXyM5g/ There you are (also, neat trick for ubuntu pastes ;D )
[18:54] <ash_worksi> like https://snapcraft.io/chromium doesn't show me the package name, unless it's `chromium` then shouldn't it have an installation candidate under `apt-get` ?
[18:55] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: the grep is finding the module, so the aliases are OK
[18:55] <ash_worksi> s/under/for
[18:55] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: "lsmod | grep r8822be"
[18:55] <kurra> @mathisen, so what you are saying is he most do some more work natively on linux and brings up the VM to play games on Windows? I suppose he could do the reverse too. Host: Windows: Guest: Ubuntu 18.04
[18:56] <OerHeks> !info chromium-browser
[18:56] <strixdio> does ubuntu support nvme? I tried 18.04 but it doesn't see the drive :/
[18:56] <strixdio> maybe 18.10?
[18:56] <Mathisen> kurra, yes
[18:56] <kurra> strixdio, yes it does. I have two 970s
[18:56] <strixdio> kurra: live USB? Which version?
[18:57] <EquusGrevyi> ash_worksi: I don't know if apt shows snap packages yet, they're different.
[18:57] <ash_worksi> OerHeks: that doesn't answer my question though
[18:57] <ash_worksi> EquusGrevyi: okay, so, would installing the snap package and the apt package yeild two chromiums on my computer?
[18:57] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: No result, but it gives me three lines in -11 when I run it
[18:57] <kurra> strixdio, it's already installed. I haven't done the live CD in over a year.. just plain OS upgrades.
[18:58] <ash_worksi> yield*
[18:58] <EquusGrevyi> ash_worksi: Yep, it would do the same with Firefox too.
[18:58] <OerHeks> strixdio, in raid or ahci ? i have read your rant in ##linux earlier
[18:58] <ash_worksi> isn't that a bit confusing?
[18:58] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: right, so there must be something preventing the module loading. Try doing it manually in -12 with "sudo modprobe r8822be"
[18:59] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: "Could not insert 'r8822be': Operation not permitted"
[18:59] <senaps> this is my configs for `dante` socks5 proxy. im using it to pass iraninan filtering of websites like youtube or twitter. but it doesn't open any filtered website on some isp's, and works perfect on another isp. what have i done wrong?
[18:59] <senaps> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qH2MKksC75/
[18:59] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: wow!
[18:59] <strixdio> OerHeks: AHCI
[18:59] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Secure Boot problem maybe if signing hasn't passed over between patches?
[18:59] <strixdio> OerHeks: I don't feel like using gentoo on my work laptop tbh
[19:00] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: other modules have loaded
[19:00] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: anything shown by 'dmesg' after trying the modprobe?
[19:01] <ash_worksi> so is `chromium` listed on dpkg from the snap package?
[19:01] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: Nothing obvious
[19:01] <OerHeks> if the standarrd setup does not se that M2, use 'nvme_load=YES' at boottime https://www.dell.com/support/article/nl/nl/nlbsdt1/sln299303/loading-ubuntu-on-systems-using-pcie-m2-drives?lang=en
[19:02] <EquusGrevyi> ash_worksi: Are you wanting to install Chromium as a snap package? Or as a normal package?
[19:02] <Epx998> Is there a way to lock my crontab, so nothing can update it after I add my entries?
[19:02] <OerHeks> ash_worksi, no, chromium is the snap name, deb package chromium-browser
[19:03] <ash_worksi> EquusGrevyi: I guess a normal package
[19:04] <EquusGrevyi> ash_worksi: Then as OerHeks said, you'll want the chromium-browser package which is available through apt. sudo apt install chromium-browser should set you up :)
[19:05] <TJ-> EquusGrevyi: that module depends on 2 others (depends:        mac80211,cfg80211) so check if they are loaded. IF not, try manually modprobe-ing each in turn then r8822be... try to find out where the denial is stemming from
[19:05] <ash_worksi> EquusGrevyi: this all kicked off because for some reason I am unable to get the chromium (and iiuic, the hangouts extension) icons do not show in the system tray (like they have been doing in the past)
[19:07] <xamithan> Epx998: You can block on a per-user basis per /etc/cron.deny but you can't block root
[19:07] <EquusGrevyi> TJ-: So I ran modprobe for mac80211 and cfg80211, then r8822be and still get operation denied. Still nothing in dmesg I think.
[19:07] <ash_worksi> EquusGrevyi: which still seems to be the case despite my reinstall attempt
[19:07] <Epx998> xamithan: ah hmm
[19:08] <Epx998> it is the root cron that is getting overwriten
[19:08] <ash_worksi> is there anything else I can look into that would be preventing chrome from showing in the system tray?
[19:08] <Epx998> I wonder if creating an entry in /etc/cron.d would work
[19:08] <EquusGrevyi> ash_worksi: I'm really not sure on that one I'm afraid, I don't use Chromium or Hangouts ^^;
[19:08] <xamithan> Well root has full permissions otherwise he wouldn't be root =(
[19:09] <xamithan> That would work if you wanted to use the daily or other timed crons.  I'd probably try to figure out what is editing the spool file myself
[19:09] <ash_worksi> EquusGrevyi: is there an alternative you decided to use, or you don't use IMs at all?
[19:10] <EquusGrevyi> ash_worksi: I tend to use Discord and Firefox but there's many options out there these days :)
[19:10] <ash_worksi> yeah
[19:12] <OerHeks> ash_worksi, i found this 2014 answer, libappindicator1, which is not installed by default ?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/447739/system-tray-icons-not-showing
[19:13] <RonaldsMazitis> hello everyone
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> EquusGrevyi: on 16.04 i had realtek chip working for months, till some update broke it, then the HWE kernel fixxed it again= the pain of realtek
[19:14] <RonaldsMazitis> I just discovered that upgrade to Ubuntu 18.04 fixed two of my three USB ports that weren't working since 2013
[19:14] <EquusGrevyi> Amazing
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> !yay | RonaldsMazitis
[19:15] <ash_worksi> OerHeks: it's isntalled
[19:15] <ash_worksi> installed*
[19:15] <EquusGrevyi> lotuspsychje: I know right? It's very odd a basic patch has broken *just* the WiFi functionality without any obvious explanation why.
[19:15] <RonaldsMazitis> I had windows 7 for a while, then USB ports started to not work, then I had to repair hard drive and after I got my PC back with win 7 they weren't working for 6 years straight
[19:15] <RonaldsMazitis> I even checked last year
[19:16] <RonaldsMazitis> also, my mouse kinda works now (still testing) made bug report
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> EquusGrevyi: i dont know either why the devs dont take the working realtek part to the next kernel
[19:16] <RonaldsMazitis> magic
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> EquusGrevyi: i reccomend making a bug for it, just to inform the devs about it
[19:17] <ash_worksi> OerHeks: thanks though :()
[19:17] <ash_worksi> :) *
[19:18] <OerHeks> ash_worksi, last resort, clean your .config and .cache folders?
[19:18] <EquusGrevyi> lotuspsychje: Yeah, I'll need apport for that right? I'm going to be away from this machine for a while too :(
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> EquusGrevyi: ubuntu-bug affected-package
[19:18] <lolcat-007> someone here use moc the music player
[19:18] <lolcat-007> ?
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> lolcat-007: if its related to ubuntu, ask your question to the channel please
[19:19] <ash_worksi> yeah, so (1) I moved ~/.config/chromium to ~/chromium.settings.bak and when I did `dpkg -l chromium*` I got: dpkg-query: no packages found matching chromium.settings.bak -- so, dpkg followed my move around? o.O; secondly, what do _you_ mean exactly by clean?
[19:19] <ash_worksi> "clean"
[19:20] <lolcat-007> i have problem with the audio only when i use the moc player
[19:20] <OerHeks> deleting or moving gives the same result, a clean chomium
[19:21] <ash_worksi> OerHeks: okay.. so it's not concerning that dpkg looked in my `.bak` folder?
[19:21] <EquusGrevyi> lotuspsychje: Will do :) TJ- Thank you for the help even if we didn't find a solution!
[19:21] <OerHeks> nope, that will be ignored
[19:22] <tgm4883> ash_worksi: it's the wildcard you added
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> EquusGrevyi: no worries, it will find a way on updates
[19:22] <tgm4883> ash_worksi: you basically did 'dpkg -l chromium.settings.bak' because that file exists in the directory you were in
[19:23] <ash_worksi> OH
[19:23] <ash_worksi> I see
[19:23] <ash_worksi> tgm4883: thanks, I didn't realize I was passing a bash expansion
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> EquusGrevyi: perhaps ubuntu-bug linux, as its kernel related
[19:25] <ash_worksi> okay, I moved them, they were recreated, the issue persists
[19:27] <ash_worksi> :\
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: you have unmet dependencies?
[19:32] <strixdio> am I doing something wrong? my NVMe drive doesn't show up on ubuntu 18.10 even.
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> strixdio: single or dualboot?
[19:32] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: how should I go about checking that?
[19:32] <strixdio> lotuspsychje: it has a windows install on it currently.
[19:33] <strixdio> trying to get linux on a 2nd partition
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> strixdio: so setup doesnt recognize your ssd?
[19:33] <strixdio> well, nothing does. fdisk, lsblk...
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> strixdio: wrong uefi settings?
[19:34] <strixdio> eh?
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | strixdio doublecheck here please
[19:34] <strixdio> no, I know what uefi is
[19:34] <strixdio> but, idk nvme drive
[19:34] <strixdio> nor what setting in bios would have to do with NVMe. I'll look though.
[19:35] <strixdio> err, UEFI*
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> strixdio: to dualboot, you need your uefi setup correctly
[19:36] <strixdio> I've never had to do anything special with uefi before, interesting. I'll look into that, thanks.
[19:36] <strixdio> but for now, for some reason the SSD was already in RAID mode, not AHCI
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> strixdio: in the partitioning from setup you might wanna look in advanced mode too
[19:37] <strixdio> hmm, no change.
[19:38] <strixdio> lotuspsychje: the drive does not show up in fdisk, what does that have to do with partitioning?
[19:38] <strixdio> can't partition a disk that doesn't show up as a device
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> strixdio: here's an example of something similar: https://superuser.com/questions/1022849/m-2-samsung-sm951-nvme-ssd-not-recognized-on-linux
[19:39] <pedahzur> Where might I find a list of commands (or installed packages) available during a Debian/Ubuntu pre-seed? For example, I see in a pressed that `uname` is invoked. Would I be able to invoke something like `lsb_release` as well?  How would I figure that out? :)
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> strixdio: see also the ##hardware channel for your correct setup
[19:40] <OerHeks> if the standarrd setup does not se that M2, use 'nvme_load=YES' at boottime  ...
[19:40] <strixdio> ah, bios upgrade maybe
[19:41] <OerHeks> maybe more tips in the uefi manual
[19:41] <OerHeks> !uefi
[19:42] <OerHeks> disable fastboot and so on
[19:42] <strixdio> nvme_load=YES doesn't help.
[19:42] <strixdio> oh wait
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> pedahzur: can this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[19:43] <strixdio> know what, I think I know the issue.
[19:43] <strixdio> it doesn't list as /dev/sd{a..z}
[19:44] <strixdio> it's 'dev'nvme0n1p{1..4}
[19:44] <strixdio> /dev/*
[19:44] <strixdio> wow, that sucks.
[19:44] <OerHeks> oh good find
[19:44] <strixdio> I had no clue nvme drives list like that!
[19:44] <ash_worksi> sorry, network problems
[19:45] <strixdio> Thanks for the help everyone.
[19:46] <pedahzur> lotuspsychje: I see $(list-devices disk | head -n1) but no other command invocation.
[19:47] <mefistofeles> hello, I cannot make ubuntu to use the nvidia driver, even when nouveau is blacklisted it's still using it...
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: your ubuntu version, graphics card chipset and driver version please?
[19:47] <mefistofeles> I followed the steps to install CUDA as usual, which has worked in other machines with the same configuration without problems
[19:48] <mefistofeles> it's ubuntu 18.04 with Geforce gtx 1060 GPU
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: we have a lot of users, using the ubuntu graphics ppa on the GTX cards
[19:48] <mefistofeles> CUDA installed nvidia-410 driver packages
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: you could also try 396 perhaps
[19:49] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: I have used the exact same steps in another machine with same ubuntu version and works
[19:49] <mefistofeles> it's even the same hardware
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: try a driver switch, that can result in some magic sometimes
[19:50] <mefistofeles> the only different thing that happened with this one is that power got shut off when doing an upgrade, I run the usual --configure -a of dpkg afterwards
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: where did you get the 410 driver?
[19:50] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: thing is that it will get in the way of CUDA, which is the whole purpose, since the cuda package needs 410 driver
[19:50] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: from nvidia/cuda repos
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: what does your system reccomend please? ubuntu-drivers list
[19:53] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: nvidia-driver-390
[19:53] <mefistofeles> nvidia-driver-410
[19:53] <mefistofeles> that's the output in order
[19:53] <mefistofeles> the same hardware is also working flawlessly with NVIDIA drivers and CUDA in yet another machine with Archlinux
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: same kernels?
[19:54] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: I have 3 machines, 2 with ubuntu and 1 with arch, the ubuntu ones share the same kernel, but only one of them works
[19:55] <mefistofeles> the machines are exactly the same model/hardware
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: have you tryed a sudo apt purge nvidia* yet then reinstall?
[19:55] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: yeah, that was the last thing I tried
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: maybe there's a glitch somewhere
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: you sure cuda doesnt work on 396 for example?
[19:56] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: it could, but I would have to manually install it
[19:56] <mefistofeles> I could not use the nvidia cuda repos
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: how about you combine the 396 on graphics ppa, with the cuda packages from apt?
[19:57] <mefistofeles> but yeah, i guess that's the last thing to try
[19:57] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: the cuda packages requires 410, at least the nvidia ones
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: there's a 410 on the graphics ppa aswell
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: is this what you install from cuda? nvidia-cuda-toolkit
[19:59] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: yeah
[19:59] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: that's also in ppa?
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: its on apt
[19:59] <mefistofeles> I see
[19:59] <mefistofeles> the 9.1 version
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-cuda-toolkit bionic
[19:59] <mefistofeles> ok, I will try that
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> lists on my apt-cache
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> answer with 55: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028830/how-do-i-install-cuda-on-ubuntu-18-04 looks trusty
[20:05] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: will check, thanks
[20:05] <mefistofeles> still doesn't explain why it worked in the other machine, but whatever works :P
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: different machines are hard to compare, things can change so easy from all kind of sides
[20:07] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: yeah, but they are both the same machine with a newly ubuntu 18.04 install
[20:07] <mefistofeles> I guess the shutting off of the power did something nasty that ubuntu didn't recover
[20:07] <mefistofeles> that's the only difference between them
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: installed on same time with same iso too?
[20:07] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: yes
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: the iso can change, the updates can change,..
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> ppa's versions can change
[20:08] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: it's the same
[20:09] <mefistofeles> didn't apply updates, and same booting usb device
[20:09] <mefistofeles> but yeah, something weird happened, will try that answer you posted
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: there's always a reason somewhere
[20:10] <mefistofeles> yeah
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> mefistofeles: need to go mate, feel free to re-ask if you get in trouble
[20:15] <mefistofeles> lotuspsychje: thanks for the help, take care
[20:15] <lotuspsychje> np
[20:20] <AvidWolf43> any linux sysadmins here?
[20:20] <tgm4883> !ask | AvidWolf43
[20:23] <AvidWolf43> im trying to find out if this was a legitimate question or if it was an issue of $coworker testing who knows more. I asked for a linux server centos to run some stuff on. $coworker asked if i am comfortable with linux, and i said yes and listed all the times / use cases i make use of with linux then he asked me if i know about run levels and i asked in which context and he said run level 0 1 etc... i
[20:24] <AvidWolf43> said honestly no i never had to deal with that there was silence then a nod ... idk
[20:25] <ioria> AvidWolf43, and ?
[20:26] <sruli> AvidWolf43: did u try search engine for linux run level?
[20:26] <AvidWolf43> it was on the spot in a meeting
[20:26] <AvidWolf43> sruli:
[20:26] <ioria> AvidWolf43, ubuntu uses systemd btw
[20:26] <sruli> AvidWolf43: try now
[20:27] <AvidWolf43> when i got back to my desk i googled and immediately found what that is
[20:27] <nacc> AvidWolf43: what does any fo that have to do with ubuntu?
[20:27] <nacc> AvidWolf43: you may want #linux or #ubuntu-offtopic.
[20:27] <AvidWolf43> i guess im just curious as to why he would ask unless this was a case of "who knows more just to prove"
[20:27] <AvidWolf43> true apologies haven't vented on irc in a whiel
[20:27] <ioria> AvidWolf43, if you have a specific Q. ,please ask
[20:28] <AvidWolf43> its not specific to ubuntu, sorry, i will ask in #linux
[20:29] <nacc> AvidWolf43: np, thanks!
[20:32] <sruli> does anyone know of a MICR scanner that works on linux?
[20:32] <capella> maybe he needed help with a question, about run levels
[20:33] <nacc> sruli: you might ask that in a more appropriate channel, like #hardware or #linux
[20:34] <sruli> nacc: thanks
[20:34] <sruli> nacc: or maybe i should change my question to "micr scanner that works on ubuntu" ;-)
[20:34] <nacc> sruli: well, polls are sort of frowned upon in the channel.
[20:35] <sruli> nacc: polls?
[20:36] <nacc> sruli: polling questions like "does X work?" or "anyone know of a X that does Y?". That's not the purpose of the channel.
[20:36] <ioria> sruli, do you want to clone a bank check ? :þ
[20:36] <nacc> where X in both cases was hardware, to be clear :)
[20:37] <sruli> ioria: need to scan bank cheques, we have 2 win workstations in the office for years only for this and i really want to get rid of them
[20:37] <ioria> i see
[20:37] <_Sym_> I wanted to remove the libssl1.0-dev dependency from the control file for nodejs so I can compile for libssl1.1 without having to remove nodejs.  But, the debian source for nodejs does not pass all the tests and fails to build.
[20:37] <worstadmin> The linuxuprising ppa now longer has java10 (https://websiteforstudents.com/install-oracle-java-jdk-10-on-ubuntu-16-04-17-10-18-04-via-ppa/) --- where can I get java 10 from for apt installs?
[20:38] <_Sym_> err ubuntu source i mean
[20:38] <nacc> _Sym_: why do you care about libssl1.0 v. 1.1?
[20:38] <crmlt> Hi
[20:38] <OerHeks> worstadmin, java 10 is EOL, use 11 ? ( from that ppa)
[20:38] <crmlt> can I use: options nvidia NVreg_Mobile=1 NVreg_RegisterForACPIEvents=1 NVreg_EnableMSI=1 in modprobe.conf?
[20:38] <nacc> _Sym_: rebuilding archive packages from source with different dependencies is not really a support question, as it's not supported.
[20:39] <OerHeks> wostand i don't know about this ppa, i suggest use the webupd8 ppa
[20:39] <_Sym_> nacc, if I try to install libssl-dev, it removes nodejs because nodejs depends on libssl1.0-dev for some reason.
[20:39] <crmlt> Or do I need write each parameter on a new line?
[20:39] <m0rd3cai> a/exit
[20:39] <OerHeks> worstadmin, stand i don't know about this ppa, i suggest use the webupd8 ppa
[20:39] <OerHeks> !java
[20:39] <_Sym_> I dont see why nodejs should requre libssl1.0-dev
[20:39] <nacc> _Sym_: in what version of ubuntu?
[20:39] <_Sym_> 18.04
[20:40] <genii> OerHeks: Webupd8 recommends the linuxprising PPA for Oracle versions after 8
[20:40] <nacc> _Sym_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nodejs/+bug/1779863
[20:40] <_Sym_> its fine if nodejs needs it to build, but I dont see why it needs to keep it installed
[20:40] <OerHeks> oh, our page suggests https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/10/how-to-install-oracle-java-11-in-ubuntu.html
[20:40] <nacc> _Sym_: is why
[20:40] <OerHeks> genii, yes, just found out, thanks
[20:41] <nacc> _Sym_: nodejs doesn't require libssl1.0-dev, it requires libssl1.0.0
[20:42] <_Sym_> no, I just looked at the sources
[20:42] <nacc> _Sym_: sources are not binaries.
[20:42] <_Sym_> ?
[20:42] <nacc> _Sym_: src:nodejs needs libssl1.0-dev to build
[20:42] <_Sym_> right
[20:42] <nacc> _Sym_: did you read the bug?
[20:42] <_Sym_> yes, I understand why nodejs had to revert back to the older libssl
[20:43] <_Sym_> which is fine
[20:43] <_Sym_> but the control file for nodejs says it needs to keep libssl1.0-dev installed to work
[20:43] <nacc> _Sym_: no it doesn't.
[20:43] <_Sym_> I can show you the line
[20:44] <nacc> _Sym_: the control ffile for the nodejs binary has no explicit runtime dependencies, they are all generated by debhelper at runtime.
[20:46] <nacc> _Sym_: are you confusing the source and binary stanzas in the control file?
[20:46] <_Sym_> in debian/control, for Source: nodejs, libssl1.0-dev (>= 1.0.2),
[20:46] <mefistofeles> ok, doing ubuntu-drivers autoinstall didn't work :/ got me to no desktop/X
[20:46] <nacc> _Sym_: that's the source stanza. Has nothing to do with the resulting binary packge.
[20:46] <_Sym_> which means the deb for nodejs installs libssl1.0-dev
[20:47] <nacc> _Sym_: no.
[20:47] <nacc> _Sym_: the src package dependencies do not translate literally to binary package dependencies.
[20:48] <_Sym_> When I install nodejs, it installs libssl1.0-dev, and if I install libssl-dev, it removes libssl1.0-dev which in turn removes nodejs
[20:48] <nacc> _Sym_: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cHDHCmT3mZ/ is the current nodejs dependencies
[20:48] <nacc> _Sym_: pastebin `apt-cache policy nodejs; apt-cache show nodejs`
[20:52] <_Sym_> naac, what I'm actually installing is npm, which requires a bunch of nodejs stuff. Its one of the nodejs packages.  I went through the source and the only one that I could find that mentions libssl1.0-dev in the control file is nodejs binary
[20:52] <nacc> _Sym_: binaries don't have control files. Again.
[20:52] <nacc> _Sym_: ok, *which* nodejs package?
[20:53] <nacc> _Sym_: you have been saying 'nodejs' this whole time, so that's what I had to go off of.
[20:53] <_Sym_> nodejs_8.10.0~dfsg-2ubuntu0.4
[20:53] <nacc> _Sym_: as I just showed you tht, does not depend on libssl*-dev
[20:53] <_Sym_> I see that
[20:53] <_Sym_> but it does
[20:53] <nacc> _Sym_: use a pastebin and prove it.
[20:54] <nacc> _Sym_: are you sure you're not mistaking nodejs-dev for nodejs?
[20:55] <_Sym_> https://pastebin.com/938Ck1uk
[20:56] <nacc> _Sym_: i don't know what command that is reflecting
[20:56] <_Sym_> apt-get install npm
[20:56] <_Sym_> when I have libssl-dev installed already
[20:56] <nacc> _Sym_: that's from nodejs-dev, as I just pointed out.
[20:57] <_Sym_> ok, yes, but then nodejs depends on nodejs-dev
[20:57] <nacc> _Sym_: so maybe start over and next time say "I'm trying to install npm. It wants to remove libssl-dev and install libssl1.0-dev instead. Why?"
[20:57] <nacc> _Sym_: no, it does not.
[20:57] <nacc> _Sym_: npm depends on someting that depends on nodejs-dev.
[20:57] <_Sym_> ok
[20:57] <_Sym_> sorry i thought it had to do with the control
[20:58] <_Sym_> you are right
[20:58] <nacc> _Sym_: npm -> node-gyp -> nodejs-dev
[20:58] <OerHeks> depends on libssl1.0-dev (>= 1.0.2) https://packages.ubuntu.com/en/source/bionic-updates/nodejs
[20:58] <_Sym_> right
[20:58] <nacc> _Sym_: I would suggest not digging into control files without a reasonable reason.
[20:58] <nacc> OerHeks: that's the *source*.
[20:58] <nacc> Plese don't interject at this point :)
[20:58] <_Sym_> no not arguing ;-)
[20:59] <_Sym_> I would also like to ask about livepatch-notif becoming defunct on a new installation at every boot.
[21:01] <nacc> _Sym_: LP: #1780093
[21:02] <_Sym_> yes, thats exactly the issue ubottu
[21:02] <_Sym_> err sorry Im talking to the bot
[21:02] <nacc> _Sym_: subscribe to the bug, I suppose :)
[21:02] <_Sym_> yeah
[21:02] <_Sym_> im just confused because that looks like it says its fixed
[21:03] <nacc> _Sym_: no, it just says fix committed, although it's not obvious to me exactly
[21:03] <no_gravity> Hello! Does anybody know how to disable power management for a network card?
[21:03] <nacc> _Sym_: i'd put in a comment saying you are seeing it too and ask where the fix is
[21:03] <_Sym_> ok thanks for your help
[21:06] <DebianNoob> If I boot to a live USB ubuntu - can I access the subsystem to store files - the c: drive of a windows pc etc.
[21:06] <teward> DebianNoob: yes.
[21:07] <DebianNoob> Ok so basically going to File Explorer does not work, so where do I start?
[21:07] <OerHeks> no_gravity, we need more details, what network card maybe?
[21:07] <_Sym_> nacc, do you know why nodejs does not pass all the tests and fails to build?
[21:07] <no_gravity> OerHeks: I figured it out: iwconfig wlan0 power off
[21:07] <nacc> _Sym_: currently in the archive? Or after you changed it?
[21:07] <_Sym_> no changes, latest version
[21:07] <_Sym_> in 18.04
[21:08] <nacc> _Sym_: i don't know, there might be flaky tests
[21:08] <_Sym_> it fails several
[21:08] <_Sym_> I know thats not really specific though
[21:09] <qwebirc8644> hey guys, is it possible to install Ubuntu 18.10 on a MacBook Pro 2015? Or will it be extremely glitchy?
[21:10] <nacc> _Sym_: let me look, one sec
[21:10] <_Sym_> that would be great, thanks
[21:11] <nacc> _Sym_: says it passed here: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/nodejs/bionic/amd64
[21:11] <OerHeks> qwebirc why would it be glitchy?
[21:11] <nacc> _Sym_: it's not impossible for other stuff in the archive to have broken it, though
[21:12] <_Sym_> I suppose I'll have to come back with more info
[21:13] <_Sym_> I'll check again right after this kernel finishes
[21:27] <DebianNoob> If I boot to a live USB ubuntu - can I access the subsystem to store files - the c: drive of a windows pc etc.
[21:29] <OerHeks> noob, maybe, depends on the filesystem i guess
[21:29] <OerHeks> for exfat you would need to install 2 tools
[21:29] <DebianNoob> W10/ntfs
[21:30] <OerHeks> should work, have you tried?
[21:30] <DebianNoob> tried today - should it just show up in file explorer
[21:31] <OerHeks> nautilus > + other locations > the ntfs would show up
[21:38] <coconut> OerHeks: you think exfat is any better here than ntfs?
[21:38] <coconut> (for if it would be no c:\ partition)
[21:41] <OerHeks> it is just the newest microsoft filesystem, i have no clue how hardened it is
[21:41] <OerHeks> .. no c: partition?
[21:42] <coconut> hehe, no meant as storage partition...
[21:42] <coconut> and thanks :)
[21:54] <LunarDinosaur> what do folks use now days for monitoring processes (and restarting them when they crash etc)?
[21:55] <leftyfb> LunarDinosaur: systemd
[21:57] <LunarDinosaur> leftyfb: thanks. when i issue something like 'sudo service elasticsearch status', is that using systemd by chance?
[22:04] <viky600833> it depends on the version of ubuntu. old ubuntu uses sys V init will not forward service command to systemctl ... status
[22:08] <htaccess> hello, I am trying to find the modern version of the column command to install on 18.04, the version I have installed is very old and limited
[22:08] <htaccess> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/column.1.html vs http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/column.1.html
[22:08] <LunarDinosaur> viky600833: thanks
[22:09] <LunarDinosaur> sudo systemctl enable elasticsearch, just issued that and rebooted, and elasticsearch came up nicely. is there more i need to do for it to restarted it if it crashes?
[22:10] <htaccess> the new one seems to be part of util-linux but I don't see it in "dpkg -L util-linux | grep column", dpkg -S /usr/bin/column => bsdmainutils: /usr/bin/column
[22:11] <viky600833> if crashed, you can issue systemctl start elasticsearch to start it agian without reboot your system. you can eventually run systemctl  status ... to check starting log
[22:13] <viky600833> systemctl enable just make service to start on next reboot
[22:16] <jole> Hi.  Can someone point me to a viewable repo file online?  I'm looking specifically for latest-Ubuntu's OpenJDK 11's conf/security/java.policy
[22:25] <nacc> jole: looking, that's from src:openjdk-lts
[22:26] <jole> nacc: Not an Ubuntu-ite.  Do you have a link I can look at?
[22:27] <nacc> jole: one moment
[22:27] <jole> thx
[22:28] <nacc> jole: it's probably this: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-lts/tree/src/java.base/share/conf/security/java.policy
[22:28] <jole> nacc: good enuf for government work! cheers o/
[22:29] <the-noob> hi, I have some files that have a T at the end of permission details
[22:30] <nacc> jole: http://pad.lv/u/openjdk-lts -> code -> browse -> ubuntu/devel (or applied/ubuntu/devel) and looked around (actually i cloned it locally and ran `find`)
[22:30] <the-noob> like `d-wxr-xrwT`
[22:30] <jole> @nacc this looks exactly like what I need. apprecaited.
[22:31] <OerHeks> looks like sticky bit, to prevent an user to delete a file that might be in use by an other user
[22:31] <OerHeks> chmod o+t /path/to/file
[22:31] <nacc> jole: yw
[22:32] <nacc> jole: we should hve similar git repositories for all srcpkgs in main
[22:32] <OerHeks> chmod o-t /path/to/file to remove the -t
[22:32] <TJ-> the-noob: see "man chmod"
[22:33] <the-noob> cheers
[22:33] <the-noob> I was `man ls` :)
[22:55] <pikia> I dual booted my laptop with ubuntu, I've been using ubuntu as my main OS for over a year now, and barely touch windows. But now im running out of space on my ubuntu parition and want to expand it.
[22:55] <pikia> When I try and shrink my windows paritrion, even though there are 40 gigs left on it, it only shrinks it by ~5 gigs
[22:55] <pikia> Is there anyway i can shrink it as much as I want?
[22:57] <Bundestrojaner> good evening. Can anyone tell me how well nvidia optimus works with latest ubuntus?
[22:57] <Bundestrojaner> (It's pretty hard finding information on the internet which is not from ~2014)
[22:58] <OerHeks> pikia, looks like windows gives a safe limit to increase, howto override this, maybe a question for ##windows
[22:58] <pikia> Huh awesome, I'll ask over there. tyty
[22:58] <OerHeks> apt autoremove and autoclean can free some space too
[22:59] <pikia> Already did that :) only cleared up 1 gig though ahah
[23:23] <strixdio> ubuntu 18.x is using gnome, but is it using X, wayland, or something else?
[23:23] <Intelo> Is it ok to set/change priority of any app? like a database e.g postgres in ubuntu?
[23:23] <strixdio> not sure if it's just this new laptop but it feels and looks really nice.
[23:23] <Intelo> I see priority change option in task manager
[23:24] <joop_> strixdio: If I'm correct it allows you to choose on login.
[23:24] <strixdio> hmm, I didn't look yet lol, I'll check there thanks.
[23:24] <strixdio> It's so nice but there's no tiling
[23:24] <OerHeks> standard xorg, but wayland session is available at login
[23:24] <strixdio> I want a hybrid between gnome and i3 :/
[23:24] <joop_> Nope.  There are 'extensions' to handle that but imo that should be implemented by default
[23:25] <strixdio> yeah agreed. Not sure I can stick with gnome.
[23:25] <strixdio> Like I said it's really pretty, but just not functional enough.
[23:25] <joop_> Yeah, can't get used to i3 for some reason. The keybindings for navigating windows just don't seem natural enough.
[23:25] <strixdio> customize them
[23:26] <joop_> I use Gnome on a daily basis - I hide the entire UI, run dmenu to launch applications and bound everything to alt-[key] combinations
[23:26] <joop_> I have zero issues with it - alt-tab is something I cant do without for unknown reasons.
[23:27] <strixdio> because you're used to it :P
[23:27] <strixdio> Years of windows will do that to you
[23:27] <joop_> Yeah thats true. Windows fucked me up.
[23:28] <joop_> strixdio: what do you use on a daily basis?
[23:29] <strixdio> heh, trick question :P
[23:29] <strixdio> I'm a windows sysadmin, but personally I use gentoo mostly.
[23:29] <strixdio> I was thinking for this brand new work lappy, I'd use ubuntu so I don't have to worry so much- but it's not really looking like what I want it to be.
[23:30] <joop_> strixdio: Ive always wondered what life is like for a windows sysadmin.
[23:30] <strixdio> it sucks
[23:30] <strixdio> LOL
[23:30] <joop_> LOL
[23:30] <strixdio> I'm heading toward pentesting though, so hopefully I'll be in linux land for work in the future.
[23:30] <joop_> Oh probably.
[23:31] <joop_> I think I want to switch to arch - remove systemd, install sysv init and run i3wm
[23:31] <strixdio> why arch?
[23:31] <strixdio> inb4 "i use arch btw"
[23:32] <joop_> Ubuntu has served me well but it starts to feel bloated.
[23:32] <joop_> haha.
[23:32] <strixdio> that's why I'm not the biggest fan of ubuntu myself.
[23:32] <strixdio> but arch, the community is toxic, and it's always broken (yes, it is broken).
[23:32] <joop_> Arch seems to have a nice userbase. It's configurable - and of course, theres the user repositories
[23:32] <joop_> well
[23:33] <Mathisen> community is toxic = wrong ... always broken = wrong
[23:33] <strixdio> I have no problems with gentoo, other than the time it takes to compile on lesser systems.. but arch, just doesn't work.
[23:33] <stan_man_can> Hey all, just plugged in two new HD's to my system. There's no GUI, any tips on how I can format the drives and mount them?
[23:33] <Mathisen> strixdio, you not used it if you say that
[23:33] <joop_> Mathisen: Yeah, I feel the same way here.
[23:33] <strixdio> I've used arch, and derivatives
[23:33] <strixdio> though the best community so far has been blackarch.
[23:33] <hyperlumic> Arch doesn't work? If you don't do basic configuration, maybe.
[23:34] <strixdio> best arch community*
[23:34] <strixdio> yeah, there we go with the "basic config" stuff
[23:34] <Mathisen> arch works fine if you use it right
[23:34] <strixdio> again, I use gentoo with no problems. takes a lot more to use than arch.
[23:34] <hyperlumic> Then I don't understand how you had problems with Arch. Arch is simple as hell.
[23:34] <strixdio> exactly
[23:34] <strixdio> neither do i
[23:34] <strixdio> but hey, it's whatever. I'm happy with gentoo.
[23:35] <hyperlumic> lol k
[23:37] <strixdio> It has been a while since I've played with vanilla arch though.
[23:37] <stan_man_can> i think i know how to mount the drives, i'm just really needing help on how to format them as ext4
[23:37] <strixdio> and I know, derivatives "are not arch"
[23:38] <stan_man_can> googling it returns so many different methods i have no clue which one to follow
[23:38] <Mathisen> im pretty sure you could figure out if gnome uses wayland or x11 or for that mather if you use gentoo as a everyday dist... anway im off
[23:38] <joop_> stan_man_can: wait a minute
[23:38] <strixdio> yeah, was more for conversation tho
[23:38] <stan_man_can> joop_: alright
[23:38] <stan_man_can> the most basic one i can find is "mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb" but i have no clue
[23:39] <joop_> Check out Luke Smith - https://youtu.be/4PBqpX0_UOc - he does a complete Arch install with disk formatting.
[23:39] <joop_> mkfs.ext4 is indeed the correct command - just execute it on the correct disk.
[23:39] <strixdio> Yeah, mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb would be correct
[23:39] <stan_man_can> alright thanks
[23:40] <stan_man_can> mkfs.ext4 shows a Filesystem UUID, is that the same UUID i would want to use in /etc/fstab to mount?
[23:40] <xamithan> type "blkid" and find out
[23:42] <stan_man_can> xamithan: thanks!
[23:42] <joop_> Anyway, Im off
[23:42] <joop_> Gnight
[23:47] <Bundestrojaner> Can anyone tell me how well nvidia optimus works with latest ubuntus?
[23:50] <OerHeks> Bundestrojaner, depends on what hardware, it should work fine
[23:51] <xamithan> just don't try to use bumblebee
[23:51] <OerHeks> bumblebee is old, prime is current indeed
[23:51] <Bundestrojaner> OerHeks: I think about getting a Schenker P407 (i7-7700HQ, GTX1050Ti)
[23:52] <Bundestrojaner> i've read a lot about this topic now on the internet, most is outdated and from ~2014
[23:52] <Bundestrojaner> I wouldn't try to use Bumblebee, i've never read it worked for anyone
[23:54] <OerHeks> never heard of Schenker, which is actually Clevo P641HK1
[23:55] <Bundestrojaner> I think Schenker is a german reseller
[23:55] <xamithan> lots of companies rebrand the clevos because they have good ubuntu support
[23:57] <Bundestrojaner> I read after installing the proprietary nvidia driver, you can switch between IGP and nVidia GPU in the driver control panel - but there are some reports about this switch dissapeared in newer driver and/or OS-versions
[23:57] <xamithan> You just need to install nvidia-settings
[23:58] <Bundestrojaner> i don't need the dynamic switching Windows is able to do (and bumblebee tried to do). If i can switch between them I am totally satisfied (and even prefer this solution)
[23:58] <OerHeks> so you read *somewhere*, we don't do gossip
[23:58] <OerHeks> go try it yourself, again, it should work fine
[23:58] <OerHeks> !nvidia
[23:59] <Bundestrojaner> OerHeks: sry. i try to find it again, i spent hours on google
[23:59] <Epx998> What is wrong with nvidia card?


[05:24] <godbyk> sagaci: Yes, I'll create the quantal branch in the next couple days. I had intended to do that this weekend but got sidetracked. I'll email the list when it's ready.
[05:35] <sagaci> godbyk, righteo then
[05:36] <sagaci> should schedule a meeting for the onset of the quantal cycle


[00:30] <pleia2> bkerensa: thank you :)
[00:33]  * pleia2 aorplane 2
[00:33] <pleia2> airplane too!
[05:06] <scientes> MarkDude, yeah i really need those C books
[05:06] <scientes> running into some interesting code that is using c function pointers to do closures
[05:07] <MarkDude> scientes, was there an email sent to this list about the books?
[05:07] <scientes> yes
[05:07] <scientes><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:08] <scientes> no replies
[05:08] <MarkDude> Ok - cool
[05:08] <MarkDude> so we are going for Norcal at this time
[05:09] <MarkDude> everyone else add books for us
[05:09]  * MarkDude will send it Thurs
[05:28] <philipballew_> MarkDude, Do they just all come to you and we pick them up, or what?
[05:29] <MarkDude> not me
[05:33] <philipballew_> oh
[05:34]  * MarkDude will be doing that for BAMF's book request
[05:34] <MarkDude> You or scientes would be fine for 1st batch of books
[06:24] <philipballew_> pleia2, sf ubuntu hour wednesday?
[06:38] <scientes> philipballew_, yes?
[06:39] <philipballew_> scientes, I would assume so, just not sure as she might want to rest from her trip
[17:11] <scientes> MarkDude, http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
[17:11] <darthrobot> Title: [Relativistic Baseball]
[18:18] <scientes> MarkDude, http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
[18:18] <darthrobot> Title: [Relativistic Baseball]
[18:25] <bkerensa> MarkDude: its sooooo warm :) I hope you're ready
[18:33] <MarkDude> Yes
[18:33]  * MarkDude has new Fedora blue thong to wear - I will both look and feel cool
[18:34] <MarkDude> Will work well at the table also
[18:35] <bkerensa> =/
[18:36] <MarkDude> For the pic of me on your table
[18:36]  * MarkDude will need someone to hold his legs, and also his shoulders
[19:38] <philipballew_> Hello California!
[19:41] <pleia2> philipballew_: yes re: ubuntu hour tomorrow
[19:43] <philipballew_> Nice! Just registered
[19:45] <philipballew_> So your going to Portland maybe as well pleia2 ?
[19:48] <pleia2> philipballew_: yeah, probably just the last couple days
[19:50] <philipballew_> ah, sounds like a fun time!
[22:46] <MarkDude> scientes, the pizza thing will most likely be on Aug 4th
[23:00]  * scientes just realized that aug realy isn't that far away
[23:35] <greg-g> where did the summer go?
[23:35] <greg-g> .... oh right, moved to SF, there is no summer, just fog. :(
[23:35]  * akk looks around -- yep, there's still lots of summer here in SJ
[23:35] <pleia2> summer comes in September, it's winter now
[23:36] <greg-g> pleia2: yeah, it was werid having summer in MI and the road trip out west, getting to SF in Sept and getting the second summer that winter :)
[23:36]  * greg-g is in DC right now, so he's getting all the heat and humidity he wants
[23:37] <pleia2> yeah, I was in the northeast for several days (just got back last night)
[23:37] <pleia2> it's hot there
[23:37] <pleia2> even in Maine :\
[23:37] <pleia2> where there is no air conditioning anywhere
[23:38] <greg-g> hah, nice
[23:38] <greg-g> pleia2: you going to OSCON?
[23:39] <MarkDude> greg-g, she is
[23:39] <MarkDude> to accept an award
[23:39] <greg-g> sweet!!!
[23:39] <MarkDude> towards the end
[23:39] <greg-g> I didn't know about that!
[23:39] <greg-g> well, it'll be my first OSCON, so I hope to see others around
[23:39] <pleia2> just thursday and friday
[23:40] <pleia2> my first oscon too
[23:40] <greg-g> pleia2: cool, we should meet up or something. I'll try to find you. I'm rooming with Asheesh (or, he's in my room with me and my work doesn't know that, so he can save money ;) )
[23:40] <pleia2> hah, ok :)
[23:58] <bkerensa> greg-g: OSCON is fun
[23:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: you are going?
[23:58] <bkerensa> so my nomination got you a award? :P
[23:58] <bkerensa> huh
[23:58] <pleia2> bkerensa: just thursday and friday
[23:58] <pleia2> can't take more time off from work than that
[23:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: is it for the Open Source Awards?
[23:59] <pleia2> (even that is tough to be honest)
[23:59] <pleia2> yeah
[23:59] <bkerensa> NICE
[23:59] <bkerensa> I nominated you
[23:59] <bkerensa> and told Mark to do the same
[23:59] <bkerensa> :D
[23:59] <bkerensa> cool stuff
[23:59] <bkerensa> I cited your work with Ubuntu Women and CC
[23:59] <pleia2> much appreciated, it means a lot :)
[23:59] <bkerensa> and Partimus I think