[00:06] <jcole> ripps: its probably building open office
[00:06]  * jcole ducks
[00:07] <ripps> jcole: actually, it looks like a bunch of xulrunner and gcc
[01:30] <thewrath> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/364387\
[02:30] <jamesh> thewrath: that feature uses the <canvas> element which is not supported by Internet Explorer, and IE compatible equivalent is available.
[02:30] <thewrath> ok
[02:31] <thewrath> was not aware of that
[02:31] <jamesh> it is being drawn on the client side
[02:31] <thewrath> ah
[02:31] <thewrath> any way taht could be changed?
[02:33] <wgrant> IE moving into this century.
[02:34] <jamesh> thewrath: given that the graph isn't required for use of Launchpad, and the proportion of visitors using IE is not too high, I don't know when we'll get round to addressing it.
[02:35] <jamesh> That said, the source code will be released in a few months, so if someone else is interested in fixing it they can submit a patch.
[02:35] <cody-somerville> and given how useless the graph generally is...
[02:35] <cody-somerville> : P
[02:36] <wgrant> It should be useless.
[02:36] <wgrant> It should be black with a tiny sliver of other colours.
[02:37] <cody-somerville> I prefer my bugs fixed, not triaged :P
[02:37] <wgrant> Closed bugs don't show up.
[02:37] <jamesh> fix committed bugs do.
[02:37] <wgrant> True.
[04:32] <renpytom> Hello.
[04:32] <renpytom> Does anyone know if there's a way to close all bugs associated with a milestone. (Flag them as fix released?)
[04:34] <rockstar> renpytom, I use a script to do it.
[04:34] <renpytom> is the script available anywhere?
[04:35] <rockstar> renpytom, I'll paste it for you.  I'm currently working on making it part of a release script.
[04:39] <rockstar> renpytom, http://rafb.net/p/mFhupU90.html
[04:40] <renpytom> Thanks.
[04:40] <rockstar> renpytom, just change PROJECT and MILESTONE to be the project and milestone you want to close.
[04:46] <renpytom> rockstar, thanks.
[04:46] <renpytom> it worked well, and saved me a lot of boring work.
[04:50] <rockstar> renpytom, yeah, that's why I wrote it.  I closed ~300 bugs with it about two weeks ago.
[04:55] <renpytom> well, thanks again.
[05:33] <savvas> wow, estimated time 12 hours :P https://edge.launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive/experimental/+build/955579 https://edge.launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive/experimental/+build/955580
[05:37] <wgrant> I guess somebody took back three quarters of the builders for release.
[05:38] <wgrant> It looks like i386 could do with one of the lpia builders reassigned.
[05:38] <wgrant> And maybe even bring one of the others back.
[05:38] <wgrant> But that should do it.
[05:38] <savvas> oh yeah! I forgot about that heh. I think I'll cancel it though, the lpia build failed: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25802962/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.packagekit-gnome_0.3.13-0ubuntu2~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:39] <wgrant> You can't cancel it.
[05:39] <savvas> so if I delete the sources, the queue will still go?
[05:40] <wgrant> Good question.
[05:40] <wgrant> It might end up as 'Build for superseded Source', but I'm not sure if that's only for Superseded rather than Deleted.
[05:40] <savvas> I tried that before, I didn't get any errors from launchpad in that case about a missing source :)
[05:41] <wgrant> It's possible it would fail to upload.
[05:41] <wgrant> But I don't remember.
[05:41] <savvas> ok thanks!
[05:42] <savvas> I'll let it flow, it's not super-time sensitive, I'm testing a fix for bug 349572
[05:46] <joey> wgrant, Happy Birthday :-)
[05:47] <wgrant> joey: Thanks!
[05:47] <wgrant> Am I to blame Facebook for this?
[05:47] <savvas> happy birthday!!
[05:48] <spm> mneptok: interesting post ref sun/mysql! we do live in "Interesting Times!" :-)
[05:48] <joey> wgrant, :-)
[05:48] <spm> wgrant: happy birthday!!
[05:48] <wgrant> spm, savvas: Thanks.
[05:49] <wgrant> I suppose I'm going to be un-Australian by not getting my license today.
[05:51] <spm> wgrant: depends. L or P? if L? yes and you will be cast out of Australia into Tasmania. If P, shrug. care factor. :-D
[05:52] <wgrant> spm: Well, I should probably have got my Ls at some point in the last two years... but I am yet to.
[05:52]  * wgrant heads for Bass Strait.
[05:54] <jamesh> if you do get cast into Tasmania, you'll get access to the NBN early
[05:54] <wgrant> jamesh: Good point, good point.
[05:55] <wgrant> Which means we can exceed obscenely small download quotas in even fewer minutes.
[05:55] <jamesh> or realise that 100Mbps to the home doesn't increase the capacity of the underwater cables
[05:56] <jamesh> or magically reduce the latency
[05:56] <wgrant> The capacity is being fixed.
[05:56] <wgrant> Latency... blah.
[05:57] <jamesh> I've used 512kbps connections in the US that felt faster than 1.5Mbps links over here
[05:57] <lifeless> writing high latency network code is hard
[05:58] <lifeless> and web browsers only soso insulate you - as you know jamesh :)
[05:58] <mwhudson> lifeless: "writing high latency network code is hard" could be misinterpreted :)
[05:58] <spm> jamesh: all we need are warp gates for the fibre pairs. exceed the speed of light, latency problem goes away. easy! I have faith in our federal government to produce these and other miracles on demand.
[05:58] <lifeless> mwhudson: anything can be
[05:59] <mwhudson> spm: is the speed of light thing really relevant?
[05:59] <wgrant> mwhudson: Yes, it gets relevant at that sort of distance.
[05:59] <mwhudson> light can get quite a lot further than london and back in .3s
[05:59] <jamesh> spm: I think tunnels through the centre of the earth might be the answer.  The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, after all
[05:59] <wgrant> Sure, it doesn't account for *all* of it.
[06:00] <mwhudson> oh, hm, not all that much more
[06:00] <jamesh> none of this great circle nonsense
[06:00] <mwhudson> jamesh: :)
[06:00] <spm> mwhudson: highly relevant! http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
[06:01] <lifeless> mwhudson: the earth is big
[06:03] <mwhudson> spm: wow
[06:03] <wgrant> spm: Nice, nice.
[06:04] <spm> mwhudson: and you thought sysadmin was only restarting busted web services... :-P
[06:04] <mwhudson> spm: nah
[06:04] <mwhudson> spm: i'm sure installing packages comes into it somewhere too
[06:05]  * spm waits to finish lol'ing before trying to respond to that....
[06:08] <jamesh> spm: why didn't the sysadmin use a packaged version of the MTA?
[06:08] <jamesh> that way the OS upgrade shouldn't have nuked it
[06:08] <Peng_> You know those buggy stacked branches? Could that happen when LP automatically stacks a mirrored branch?
[06:09] <spm> jamesh: solaris/sunos patchsets always clobber sendmail-isms. .. or were till at least Sol8. used to clobber my postfix setup on firewalls. very ARGHish.
[06:09] <wgrant> That's Solaris for you.
[06:09] <jamesh> spm: sounds like a good reason not to use Solaris
[06:09] <spm> jamesh: and sendmail 5 vs sendmail8 or postfix? yuk. just *yuk.
[06:11] <spm> if memory serves. sendmail was part of the core OS. rightly or not (ie not). one of those horrible backward compatibile nonsense rules. Made sense, but was also a real trap.
[06:18] <savvas> are the launchpad PPA build logs deleted after some time?
[06:18] <wgrant> savvas: Only retried builds, IIRC.
[06:19] <savvas> bug 249104 - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16047515/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-sparc.packagekit-gnome_0.2.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz says 404 error :\
[06:20] <wgrant> savvas: Chances are the build was retried.
[06:20] <wgrant> And that obliterates the old log.
[06:21] <wgrant> (well, not directly, but it removes the reference to it, so the file gets GCed eventually)
[06:21] <savvas> ok thanks :)
[06:21] <wgrant> spm: It really looks like you need an extra i386 virt builder.
[06:41] <HammerHead66> how is everyone today?
[06:50] <toobaz3> Hello. https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/pyclutter/+bug/267478 should track a remote bug, but it didn't notice the remote bug was fixed, and if I go in changing details, I see  "Launchpad couldn't import bug #494242 from Debian Bug tracker." However, the Debian bug page is absolutely OK... should I file a bug about launchpad?
[07:51] <MTecknology> hurray, 2am and I finally got my assignment done. :)
[07:51] <mneptok> spm: :)
[07:51] <MTecknology> 20+hr worth of work :)
[07:51] <MTecknology> and this is the wrong channel
[07:51] <noodles775> Congrats anyway MTecknology :)
[07:52] <MTecknology> thanks
[07:53] <MTecknology> wish I could sleep w/ all this noise - I hate dorms
[10:18]  * mpt reads https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/363584/comments/2
[10:19] <mpt> The frustrating mystery of bug 88818 continues
[10:20] <noodles775> lol... wonder if there's an easy way to check... "Are you really sure this is a launchpad bug??" without being annoying...
[10:21]  * noodles775 reads the bug
[10:21] <maxb> It could check whether you're a member of the ~yes-i-understand-what-launchpad-actually-is team :-)
[10:22] <maxb> and refuse to let you file otherwise
[10:37] <rowinggolfer> whoever is responsible for the howtos on becoming an ubutero.. very clear. thanks
[14:46] <cumulus007> Hi, are there plas to speed up launchpad? It's freaking slow to me
[14:46] <beuno> cumulus007, yes
[14:46] <cumulus007> *plans. For example, it takes about 15 seconds to load a page with translations
[14:46] <beuno> we're actively working to making it much faster
[14:47] <beuno> cumulus007, which URL specifically?
[14:47] <cumulus007> okay, great :) Can you tell me when this will be applied?
[14:47] <beuno> cumulus007, it's an on going task
[14:47] <beuno> we do performance weeks once a month
[14:47] <cumulus007> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/nl/+index?start=0&batch=75
[14:47] <cumulus007> okay
[14:47] <beuno> danilo_, ^
[14:48] <cumulus007> I hev been here before, with the same issue
[14:48] <cumulus007> *have.
[14:51] <danilo_> cumulus007: if we promised to support batch sizes of 75, we would have made it the default :) unfortunately, if you can use a hacked batch size, you need to use the default of 10
[14:51] <danilo_> s/can use/can't use/
[14:51] <danilo_> cumulus007: why do you need to see so many messages?
[14:52] <cumulus007> danilo_: since it's really hard to find a translation package in launchpad. The most important packages are listed first, so with a high batch number I can see all important packages at once
[14:53] <danilo_> cumulus007: ah, sorry, misread the link
[14:53] <kiko> danilo: DRL
[14:53] <danilo_> cumulus007: that one is being worked on, it should be fixed soon
[14:53] <danilo_> kiko: right
[14:54] <cumulus007> danilo_: okay, that would be great, and would spare a lot of time to me :)
[14:55] <danilo_> cumulus007: I am sorry you are seeing this, we are going to fix it asap
[14:56] <cumulus007> danilo_: np :)
[15:33] <MagicFab> Hi all
[15:33] <MagicFab> I can't seem to file bugs from here:
[15:33] <MagicFab> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[15:34] <MagicFab> I always get Timeout error when I press continue, it's been the case for a few *days* now, no matter where I am
[15:34] <kiko> MagicFab, OOPSID?
[15:34] <MagicFab> Last one was  (Error ID: OOPS-1207EB187)
[15:35] <ripps> For some reason, I'm having trouble building a gmpc package for lpia. I finishes building, but I get an uploading error. I've never gotten this before. https://edge.launchpad.net/~gmpc-trunk/+archive/ppa/+build/955999
[15:35]  * MagicFab suspects the description field is where th eproblem originates
[15:36] <cprov> ripps: the binaries are already there, ignore the error.
[15:36] <MagicFab> kiko, my original description for the bug was:
[15:36] <MagicFab> Small USB mouse [09da:0006] is not recgnized, "can't set config #1, error -32" error, works with PS/2 adapter
[15:36] <MagicFab> Making it shorter works
[15:37] <noodles775> ripps, cprov: the upload log says:
[15:37] <noodles775> 2009-04-21 14:31:23 ERROR   Exception while accepting:
[15:37] <noodles775>  duplicate key value violates unique constraint "binarypackagerelease_binarypackagename_key"
[15:37] <noodles775>  -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25826463/ngSDHt6QPwkjwZYXs45yw1Q8BS4.txt (duplicate key value violates unique constraint "binarypackagerelease_binarypackagename_key"
[15:37] <noodles775> )
[15:37] <ripps> noodles775: What exactly does that mean?
[15:38] <cprov> ripps: your build got dispatched twice due to a problem in our system.
[15:38] <noodles775> Ah, thanks cprov (I wanted to know too!)
[15:59] <kiko> MagicFab, let me show this to BjornT
[16:12] <MagicFab> kiko, sure thing, I've file the bug otherwise, but that subject was giving "timeout" - I guess the message should have also been "too long" or "invalid characters" etc
[16:12] <MagicFab> tx
[16:16] <kiko> MagicFab, it's weird, there's something wrong there
[16:16] <kiko> MagicFab, always timing out on that
[17:38] <poolie> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jspashett/bzr/bug_84659_allow_writes/revision/3942 seems to be failing... (jml)
[17:40] <jml> poolie: EdwinGrubbs's the help contact :)
[17:44] <poolie> it's ok now
[17:46] <jml> poolie: perhaps more helpfully, the code browsing service is known to be unreliable.
[17:46] <jml> poolie: and we're working very hard to make it better
[18:08] <jcole> hi guys
[18:08] <jcole> how do i go about getting my password removed from an apport bug report stacktrace
[18:16] <KIAaze> hi, I  just got the following rejection message from my PPA: The source netgen - 4.9.7-0ubuntu1 is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload.
[18:16] <KIAaze> however the version in the repositories is 4.4
[18:16] <bigjools> you're trying to upload to Ubuntu, not your PPA
[18:17] <KIAaze> no, I put my PPA in the dput command
[18:17] <bigjools> ah sorry I misread
[18:17] <bigjools> end-of-day-tired-eyes
[18:17] <cprov> KIAaze: what's your PPA url ?
[18:17] <cprov> KIAaze: did that version ever existed in your PPA ?
[18:17] <KIAaze> https://launchpad.net/~zohn-joidberg/+archive/engrid
[18:18] <KIAaze> yes
[18:18] <KIAaze> but I deleted it.
[18:18] <bigjools> you can't upload the same version again, even if you delete it
[18:18] <KIAaze> :(
[18:18] <bigjools> it's to prevent problems with apt clients
[18:19] <bigjools> if it sees the same version again with different checksums, it will fail
[18:19] <Edgar1> I'm kind of new in this, can someone explain me what the PPA is all about?
[18:20] <KIAaze> it's a personal repository
[18:20] <KIAaze> you can build your own .debs on it and make them available for others
[18:22] <KIAaze> Do I have to change the version number everywhere or only in debian/changelog?
[18:22] <KIAaze> I'd like to keep the 4.9.7 since it's the version of the .tar.gz
[18:24] <EdwinGrubbs> KIAaze: I believe you can just change the -0ubuntu1 part of the version and leave the 4.9.7 part the same.
[18:24] <KIAaze> thx
[18:24] <KIAaze> I used dch which automaticcally created an entry with 0ubuntu2
[18:25] <KIAaze> testing with pbuilder now
[18:33] <maxb> KIAaze: In general you should never upload things to PPAs with version numbers which look like they could be used in Ubuntu itself, because that gets confusing
[18:33] <maxb> You could call it 4.9.7-0ubuntu1ppa1 for example
[18:34] <KIAaze> well, what's the best way to make the ubuntu/debian maintainers upgrade their version? :)
[18:36] <maxb> Produce an updated package yourself, and submit it for sponsored upload to ubuntu. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[18:41] <KIAaze> ok, so I almost finished the first part. :)
[18:43] <KIAaze> Isn't it better to submit updated packages to Debian first?
[18:44] <maxb> ideally, yes
[18:58] <KIAaze> hey, why did my PPA only build for i386? :(
[18:59] <KIAaze> is Architecture: All different from Architecture: Any?
[19:01] <cody-somerville> Yes
[19:01] <cody-somerville> KIAaze, does your package *need* to be built on all the different architectures?
[19:01] <KIAaze> I think so
[19:01] <KIAaze> not sure
[19:02] <KIAaze> it's C++
[19:02] <cody-somerville> KIAaze, Yea, I'd say so. :)
[19:03] <KIAaze> actually it didn't build any .debs
[19:04] <KIAaze> it just says bvuilds: i386 but ther's no .deb to download
[19:04] <KIAaze> oops, no, just a missing page refresh
[19:12] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: All is for architecture independent packages, they will be built only once.
[19:12] <KIAaze> ok, thx
[19:13] <KIAaze> I put that in because before it didn't build for lpia and that was the solution I found somewhere on the net.
[19:13] <KIAaze> the original package had a list of archs
[19:14] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: that might be valid, not all packages can actually be built for all archs
[19:42] <vadi2> hi. it seems its impossible to open https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/218515 - it redirects to https://bugs.launchpad.net/acton/+bug/218515 which is wrong
[19:43] <vadi2> well, worked for the bot for some reason.
[19:47] <EdwinGrubbs> vadi2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/218515 will always redirect you to the url which specifies the project name that the bug belongs to. Are you not able to view the bug after you are redirected?
[19:48] <vadi2> no
[19:48] <KIAaze> now I can't see the package on my PPA in synaptic. :(
[19:48] <vadi2> I get to https://bugs.launchpad.net/acton/+bug/218515
[19:48] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: is it published yet?
[19:48] <vadi2> which is a "lost something"? page
[19:49] <KIAaze> yes
[19:49] <KIAaze> https://launchpad.net/~zohn-joidberg/+archive/engrid
[19:49] <KIAaze> Could it have something to do with it having   a version nb ending in 0ubuntu3 instead of 0ubuntu1?
[19:49] <vadi2> EdwinGrubbs: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/12805/screenshot_39_eDhxCJ.png
[19:49] <KIAaze> I even deactivated all official repositories, to leave only the PPA
[19:49] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: try `apt-cache policy <package-name>`
[19:49] <cprov> KIAaze: which source are you missing ?
[19:50] <KIAaze> netgen
[19:50] <KIAaze> I can see togl in synaptic without problems
[19:51] <cprov> KIAaze: https://edge.launchpad.net/~zohn-joidberg/+archive/engrid/+build/956186
[19:51] <cprov> KIAaze: says it was *built* 7 minutes ago
[19:51] <cprov> KIAaze: it missed the publishing run on :40 and will be published in the next one (:00)
[19:51] <KIAaze> ah ok :)
[20:04] <EdwinGrubbs> vadi2:It appears that you cannot see that bug anymore because it is marked as a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/matchbox-keyboard/+bug/205871
[20:04] <EdwinGrubbs> vadi2: I'm trying to determine if this is an error or if it is intended that only admins can see the duplicate bug.
[20:05] <vadi2> are you sure
[20:05] <vadi2> I'm interested in the gtk+ bug
[20:05] <vadi2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/218515
[20:05] <vadi2> see, it gives two... I'd like the first one
[20:06] <vadi2> not the ppa issue. It looks like something is confused here.
[20:06] <vadi2> Ahh my apoligies.
[20:06] <vadi2> didn't see that it said duplicate. didn't realize someone would mark it as such too :)
[20:26] <EdwinGrubbs> vadi2: I figured it out. You couldn't view that bug since the acton project has been deactivated.
[20:28] <vadi2> Ahh.
[20:28] <vadi2> Guess that makes sense, but I guess LP should say that, yeah?
[21:24] <cgregan> joey: ping
[21:34] <thewrath> how do you proposa to merge towo branches together?
[21:38] <rockstar> thewrath, cd $first_branch; bzr merge $second_branch
[21:38] <thewrath> so like bzr merge lp:~michaelbrown2009/mikesats/mikesats1
[21:41] <thewrath> $ bzr send -o mycode.patch what about that command
[21:41] <LarstiQ> thewrath: if you have write rights to the branch you want to merge into, then do what rockstar said
[21:41] <LarstiQ> thewrath: launchpad has some ui to propose doing it, is that what you meant?
[21:41] <thewrath> ui?
[21:41] <thewrath> I have two branches. I want to move branch2 into branch1
[21:41] <rockstar> thewrath, what are the two branches you need merged, and which one is the focus?
[21:42] <rockstar> thewrath, do you have branch1 and branch2 on your machine?
[21:42] <LarstiQ> thewrath: then just do it :)
[21:42] <thewrath> branch 2 not branch1
[21:42] <thewrath> should i go and download branch1?
[21:42] <LarstiQ> thewrath: yes
[21:42] <thewrath> ok
[21:43] <thewrath> then to merge branch 2 with branch 1 do what
[21:43] <thewrath> cd into branch 2 and then  bzr mergebranch 1
[21:44] <LarstiQ> thewrath: Presuming branch2 is the branc you want to merge _into_, yes
[21:44] <LarstiQ> otherwise, change the cd and the merge commands
[21:45] <LarstiQ> thewrath: after the merge, review it (bzr status, bzr diff, conflicts, whatever gives you enough confidence the merge is done right) and the commit it
[21:45] <thewrath> okay
[21:45] <thewrath> i have mikesats and mikesats1
[21:45] <thewrath> i want to merge everything into mikesats
[21:46] <rockstar> thewrath, cd mikesats; bzr merge mikesats1; bzr commit -m "Merge from mikesats1"
[21:46]  * LarstiQ nods
[21:47] <thewrath> I get nothing to do
[21:47] <rockstar> thewrath, that will merge mikesats1 into mikesats with a commit message of "Merge from mikesats1"
[21:47] <rockstar> thewrath, that means that you don't need to merge the two branches.
[21:47] <thewrath> why i know there is a file missing in mikesats
[21:47] <LarstiQ> thewrath: does `bzr missing` think mikesats1 has no extra revisions?
[21:48] <thewrath> when i run bzr merge mikesats1 all i get is nothing to do
[21:49] <LarstiQ> thewrath: bzr merge ../mikesats1?
[21:50] <LarstiQ> thewrath: unfortunately merge doesn't give the clearest message if you point it at a non-existing branch
[21:50] <thewrath> ok
[21:50] <thewrath> hold on i think i have it figured out
[21:50] <LarstiQ> thewrath: so make sure you give merge the path to your mikesats1 branch
[21:52] <thewrath> Branches have no common ancester, and no merge base revision was specififed
[21:52] <thewrath> when i do bzr merge ../launchpad
[21:52] <thewrath> i haev all my stuff in C:\xampp\htdocs\Launchpad Branches
[21:52] <LarstiQ> thewrath: ah, you seperately `bzr init`ed the two branches?
[21:52] <thewrath> the two in that directory is mikesats (first directory) and Launchpad (second branch)
[21:52] <thewrath> yes i did
[21:53] <LarstiQ> thewrath: right, that would give you this then
[21:53] <thewrath> i want to move everything in launchpad to mikesats
[21:53] <LarstiQ> thewrath: are their contents vastly different, or do they represent similar content?
[21:54] <thewrath> same except one fiel
[21:54] <LarstiQ> thewrath: do you want to keep the history of the mikesats1 branch?
[21:54] <thewrath> no
[21:54] <LarstiQ> ok
[21:54]  * LarstiQ tries something out
[21:59]  * thewrath thanks LarstiQ a head of time
[22:00] <magcius> Would it be considered a bug that when you create a branch in Launchpad it doesn't make a .bzr directory?
[22:00] <thewrath> no
[22:00] <LarstiQ> magcius: create it how?
[22:01] <thewrath> i dont th ink so bc that happens to me all the time i have brought it up and just been told to use the --use-ext-directory or what ever it is
[22:01] <thewrath> LarstiQ: create it right on Launchpad
[22:01] <magcius> It seems kind of awkward to use --use-existing-directory
[22:01] <magcius> LarstiQ, use the Register a Branch feature.
[22:01]  * LarstiQ creates branches by pushing them
[22:01] <magcius> LarstiQ, you can do that?
[22:01] <LarstiQ> magcius: yes, that is much more natural to me than registering a branch on the web
[22:02] <magcius> LarstiQ, if I knew you could do that I would have done it.
[22:02] <magcius> So bzr push ~username/+junk/mybranchname?
[22:02] <magcius> err
[22:02] <magcius> bzr push lp:~username/+junk/mybranchname?
[22:02] <thewrath> soudnds right
[22:02] <LarstiQ> magcius: lp:~username/project/branch, yes
[22:02] <LarstiQ> magcius: there is also the `bzr register-branch` command
[22:03] <thewrath> LarstiQ: let me know when you think you got something betw
[22:03] <thewrath> *btw
[22:03] <LarstiQ> magcius: but that's more for remote branches I think
[22:03] <LarstiQ> thewrath: I will
[22:03] <thewrath> thanks!
[22:06] <LarstiQ> thewrath: it's not really usual in bzr to have branches without a common ancestor representing the same branch, so I need to experiment a bit
[22:06] <thewrath> ok
[22:06] <thewrath> yea i understand
[22:14] <LarstiQ> thewrath: hmm, I might not get something sensible before my bedtime
[22:15] <thewrath> ok
[22:15] <thewrath> lol
[22:15] <thewrath> i can just remove the one
[22:16] <LarstiQ> thewrath: if you remember to `bzr branch` instead of `bzr init`, this would be easier ;)
[22:16] <LarstiQ> alternatively, I could just forget about coming up with a recipe and do the merge for you
[22:16] <LarstiQ> with handwork of unix tools and vim
[22:17] <thewrath> whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
[22:18] <LarstiQ> thewrath: I'm guessing it will take me less time to apply a hammer and do everything by hand, then come up with something you could repeat
[22:18] <thewrath> ok
[22:18] <thewrath> how do i remove a branch?
[22:18] <LarstiQ> thewrath: from your local disk, just remove the directory
[22:18] <thewrath> i mean on launchpad
[22:18]  * LarstiQ would say `rm -rf` but you're on windows
[22:19] <LarstiQ> thewrath: there is a delete branch button I think
[22:19] <savvas> rmdir -q if I remember well :)
[22:19] <savvas> anyway, good night :)
[22:19] <LarstiQ> thewrath: do you see such a button on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michaelbrown2009/mikesats/mikesats1 ?
[22:21] <thewrath> no i dont
[22:23] <thewrath> i got it
[22:25] <LarstiQ> thewrath: ok, good night then
[22:25] <thewrath> have fun
[22:25]  * LarstiQ falls asleep
[22:26] <thewrath> a question for a person who is still here what does a blue plus sign mean on a file instead of a green circle with a checkmark
[22:27] <thewrath> found out
[22:49] <KIAaze> hi again, I keep getting warnings like this when running "debuild -S -sa": dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/togl.default.ex
[22:49] <KIAaze> how do I get rid of them?
[22:50] <KIAaze> and especially rid of the files i deleted
[23:07] <Ampelbein> hi! is there a problem with updating remote bugwatches that use mantis? see bug 316590 - lp complains the issue was non-existent but it's there.
[23:20] <KIAaze> do built packages only appear on the web page after :00 or :40?
[23:25] <wgrant> KIAaze: :00, :20 and :40.
[23:25] <KIAaze> ok, thx
[23:25] <KIAaze> so it's not only the synaptic repository for which I have to wait
[23:29] <wgrant> KIAaze: It's a bit inconsistent - sources will appear on Launchpad every 5 minutes, when the FTP server is checked. They will only appear in your repository every 20 minutes. Binaries only appear on the web page every 20 minutes, but I believe there's working ongoing to make that more obvious.


[19:46] <Kilos> hi guys, another week starting soon
[19:58] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos o/
[19:59] <pavlushka> Kilos: it takes only one weekend to start every other week, isn't that soon enough? :p
[19:59] <pavlushka> and night night every one
[20:09] <Cryterion> hmmm, monday, another week of bug searching starts :(
[20:09] <Kilos> life
[20:10] <Cryterion> is bugs
[20:10] <Kilos> lol yip pav
[20:10] <Cryterion> well atm anyway
[20:10] <Kilos> you learning all the time
[20:10] <Cryterion> yep
[20:10] <Kilos> bug fixing isnt easy'
[20:11] <Kilos> but teaches you things others never see
[20:11] <Cryterion> 99 little bug in the code, patch one out, fix it about, 103 little bugs in the code
[20:12] <Kilos> inetpro_: whats with the tail
[20:12] <Cryterion> that's how it goes
[20:12] <Kilos> ouch
[20:13] <Kilos> i must sleep guys. keep well and be good
[20:13] <Cryterion> ok, gnight


[00:37] <unascribed> kdialog appears to be gone in Wily, are there any good replacements for it (that also use Qt)?
[00:39] <keithzg> unascribed: I don't think it's gone, just tried from a Wily install in the building and it's indeed there.
[00:39] <unascribed> well, after doing the upgrade kdialog is missing and the package doesn't exist
[00:39] <unascribed> I'll check again
[00:40] <keithzg> unascribed: It isn't a separate package, appears to be provided by kde-baseapps-bin
[00:42] <keithzg> unascribed: Looks like krdc and konsole depend on that package, and those are both in turn dependencies of the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, so perhaps that metapackage got removed during your upgrade?
[00:42] <unascribed> no idea, but installing kde-baseapps-bin did fix it
[00:42] <unascribed> I just installed the package from Konsole, so no idea
[00:43] <unascribed> double no idea :P
[00:43] <keithzg> unascribed: You can check if it's installed (and what version and such) via the terminal with "apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop"
[00:44] <unascribed> oh, so there is a better way than just listing all installed packages via dpkg and grepping it
[00:44] <unascribed> it isn't installed. huh.
[00:44] <keithzg> hahaha yup (although I uhhh did that myself for many years before realizing)
[00:45] <keithzg> Yeah I bet that the root of the problem, then. Probably worth reinstalling it in case there are other surprise absences lurking!
[00:45] <unascribed> ohh, I think I know why it's missing
[00:45] <keithzg> Removed baloo?
[00:45] <unascribed> I installed MariaDB a while ago since I was testing applications, and Akonadi *requires* MySQL
[00:45] <unascribed> so I had to nuke Akonadi
[00:45] <keithzg> Ah
[00:45] <unascribed> though removing baloo sounds like a good idea too
[00:46] <unascribed> ...that would require removing dolphin and plasma
[00:46] <unascribed> how about no :P
[00:46] <keithzg> Haha
[00:47] <keithzg> Well it was still possible with 14.04, which is what I'm writing from right now. It's easy enough to disable if you dislike it, though, and on *most* of my systems it isn't a problem, just this one (which happens to have millions of files in a few folders...)
[00:47] <unascribed> yeah, pretty sure I have it disabled
[00:47] <keithzg> Hmm interesting that Akonadi depends on mysql.
[00:48] <unascribed> I'm running on a (degraded D:) RAID5 array, so my disk bandwidth is in short supply
[00:48] <unascribed> yeah, I found it weird too
[00:48] <unascribed> especially since it has an alternate SQLite backend
[00:48] <keithzg> And postgresql too
[00:49] <keithzg> Yeah you'd think it would just depend on something that could in turn be *provided* by MariaDB.
[00:49] <unascribed> yeah
[00:49] <unascribed> I assumed it depended on a virtual akonadi-backend package
[00:49] <unascribed> which in turn was supplied by mysql and sqlite
[00:49] <unascribed> apparently not
[00:50] <unascribed> maybe they fixed that in the Wily packaging, I haven't checked
[00:50] <keithzg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746651
[00:50] <unascribed> oh, cool
[00:51] <keithzg> And yeah indeed, looking at the package on Wily it seems like one option for the dependency is virtual-mysql-server-core, so MariaDB should be fine now
[00:51] <unascribed> cool
[00:51] <unascribed> I don't use Akonadi, but nice to know they fixed it
[00:51] <keithzg> Yeah, definitely.
[00:51] <keithzg> Always nice when things get better over time rather than worse :)
[00:52]  * keithzg avoids making a quip about Gnome, kindof fails ;)
[00:53] <bprompt> unascribed:     akonadi is used by PIM apps, like kontact or kmail or knode or korganizer
[00:53] <unascribed> yeah, I found that out when trying to decide if it was safe to remove :P
[00:53] <bprompt> heheh
[00:53] <keithzg> bprompt: Yeah, that's what I use it for (wait, is knode still around?). KMail remains my favourite desktop email client.
[00:55] <bprompt> keithzg:    IIRC knode hit the can in 15.04, or kde 5.x
[00:57] <keithzg> bprompt: Yeah, I remembered it got dropped fairly recently.
[01:43] <gabe_> hello
[01:43] <gabe_> i want to ask
[01:44] <gabe_> i am using Kubuntu 15.10
[01:44] <gabe_> when i tried to connect on wifi Kubuntu said "IP configuration was unavailable"
[01:45] <gabe_> but when i use other OS, i could connect to same SSID
[01:45] <gabe_> how can i solve this ?
[01:55] <Guest29310> Hola
[02:17] <manuel> Hola
[02:18] <Guest29310> Hey
[02:18] <raul> Puto
[02:18] <manuel> :D
[02:37] <BinaryC011010110> Hello all I was wondering what the best software for photo editing and design are? Also, is there a way to check for Malware? I am new to Linux.
[02:45] <BinaryC011010110> Um so yeah
[02:45] <BinaryC011010110> Help?
[05:30] <Jason____> Hi I'm new to linux. can I run kubuntu as live persitence to try it before I put it on my hard drive?
[05:35] <mozg> yes,you can
[05:48] <ChronoToss> Hey, noob here; I got a question... I'm experancing a bit of a problem, with my NIC. Can someone help me? Or atleast point me in the direction of some reading source that can assist?
[07:14] <parveen> hello
[07:16] <parveen> i can't install apps from muon software center. every time i click on the install button it shows installing but nothing is installing at all. can anyone help me on this
[07:16] <parveen> i am using kubuntu 15.10
[07:17] <valorie> parveen: did you enter your user password?
[07:17] <valorie> nothing can install until you do that
[07:17] <valorie> i'm on 15.10 as well
[07:22] <parveen> yes
[07:25] <hateball> parveen: can you run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" in a terminal? Reboot if prompted, then try Muon again
[10:05] <denza242> lordievader: so I think Kubuntu-CI is breaking my upgrade to wily
[10:05] <lordievader> denza242: So ppa-purge?
[10:05] <denza242> :x
[10:05] <denza242> but that would purge my entire desktop + some qt stuff
[10:06] <lordievader> No, it downgrades. It only removes if it ain't available in the 'normal' repos.
[10:06] <denza242> ah
[10:07] <denza242> hmm, so I should do that then, then upgrade, and then re-enable -ci?
[10:08] <lordievader> Or that and not re-enable ci.
[10:09] <denza242> :P
[10:10] <denza242> lordievader: it won't blow up Konversation while it downgrades, right?
[10:12] <lordievader> No idea.
[10:12] <excalibr> fresh install is always fun
[10:12] <lordievader> I have no experience with ppa purging Kubuntu-CI.
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:01] <Chris______> hi. can anyone here help me with a fresh kubuntu install that never wakes from sleep? everything else seems fine. thanks
[13:16] <Chris______> I can maybe make it more interesting by telling you I need to unplug it and remove the battery to get it to boot again?
[13:17] <hateball> Chris______: It is usually quite idle here, so dont feel ignored
[13:18] <hateball> And I do not know much about using suspend/hibernate
[13:18] <Chris______> Thanks. Is there usually a chance of someone chiming in, or I should go look elsewhere?
[13:20] <Kwaadpepper> I think, for your problem to be solved, you would need to get specific info for logs likely
[13:20] <prof7bit> What is the correct place to report bugs against the german localisation of the upcoming Kubuntu 16.04?
[13:21] <Chris______> I've been trying todo that, problem is I can't identify the log... /var/logs/pm-suspend.log is missing for me. Any other useful logs?
[13:21] <Kwaadpepper> journalctl
[13:21] <Kwaadpepper> i guess
[13:21] <hateball> prof7bit: check with #ubuntu+1
[13:23] <Chris______> if it's supposed to be in /var/log, then no, don't have it
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Chris______,  did you get ris of the UEFI boot and gpt partiton table ?
[13:23] <Kwaadpepper> Chris______: journalctl is a program
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ris=rid
[13:24] <Chris______> BlueKaj, I don't know what gpt is. I installed manually, had to create the EFI partition then copied an .efi file from the live cd to a boot file. then i could boot.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Chris______, are you sure the OS i in sleep mode?
[13:26] <Chris______> I can click sleep, it seems to go there (flashing led on power button), but never wakes up. fan spins up, screen is black
[13:27] <Chris______> Ctrl+Alt+F1/F6 does nothing
[13:27] <BluesKaj> f7
[13:27] <Chris______> ok
[13:27] <BluesKaj> for a desktop
[13:27] <Chris______> it's a lenovo ideapad s205 laptop
[13:28] <BluesKaj> F1 to F6 are VT/TTYs
[13:28] <fier> mozg: you should create a csetting model
[13:29] <Kwaadpepper> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lenovo_ideapad_s205
[13:29] <Kwaadpepper> could use google translate
[13:29] <Chris______> either way, they don't do anything. doesn't look like the hdd does anything. strange thing is, if i forceit to power off, I need to take out the battery to get it to start up again
[13:31] <Chris______> tried changing the video drivers (selecting between the three options I have in "Driver Manger")
[13:32] <BluesKaj> I have the same problem with my lenovo G500, but I don't put the laptop to sleep , it just won't show grub. I have to either remove the baterry for few mins or use usb stick to boot grub. My HDD is no longer using the Windows GPT partitioning , it's DOS since I wiped the disk of all UEFI boot etc and use legacy mode...which i do not recommend.
[13:34] <Chris______> never seen grub myself. ever. shift doesn't work
[13:35] <Chris______> dont' need any other os, i don't plan to dual boot
[13:35] <BluesKaj> you probly have no timeout in grub
[13:36] <Chris______> how would i force that?
[13:36] <lordievader> Chris______: Just hold shift after the bios screen. Grub checks if shift is pressed.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> do you have autologin ?
[13:37] <Chris______> shift does nothing. no autologin
[13:38] <BluesKaj> left shift
[13:38] <lordievader> What version of Kubuntu do you run?
[13:38] <Chris______> really? let me try
[13:38] <Chris______> latest kubuntu, just got it
[13:39] <Chris______> no, no shift works
[13:39] <lordievader> Chris______: Right, so systemd is responsible for standby (unless Kubuntu does that differently). What happens when you invoke sleep through 'sudo systemctl' can it awake from that?
[13:40] <Chris______> hold on
[13:40] <lordievader> Chris______: 'sudo systemctl standby' to be precise.
[13:41] <Chris______> a ton of output happens. let me try again with standby
[13:41] <Chris______> unknown operation standby. am i missing a dash or somehting?
[13:43] <lordievader> Hmm, no I guess Kubuntu doesn't use that (yet). Run 'sudo pm-suspend' and see if it can awake from that.
[13:44] <Chris______> ha! yes, it can
[13:45] <Chris______> i also have a pm-suspend.log for the first time
[13:45] <lordievader> Interesting...
[13:45] <Chris______> and all the stuff in there seems to include "success", i see no errors
[13:46] <Chris______> I usually try to sleep it by App-Launcher -> Leave -> Sleep (suspend to RAM)
[13:47] <lordievader> Chris______: What happens when you run 'qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/kde/Solid/PowerManagement/Actions/SuspendSession org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement.Actions.SuspendSession.suspendToRam'?
[13:47] <Chris______> Wow, it started working
[13:47] <Chris______> could that have been some sort of permissions error about the log file?
[13:48] <Chris______> should I still try the command above?
[13:48] <lordievader> Chris______: Yes.
[13:50] <Chris______> ok, let me figure that out, i'm on a different computer, copy/paste won't work :)
[13:51] <Chris______> ok, it sleeps and wake up normally from the qdbus thing
[13:52] <lordievader> That is strange...
[13:52] <Chris______> what's strange? it seems to work now? i wanna try a reboot to see if this still works after
[13:52] <lordievader> Hitting the sleep button in the menu does pretty much the same thing..
[13:53] <Chris______> i understand. the menu button works too now. gimme a minute to reboot
[13:53] <lordievader> Wierd stuff!
[13:56] <Chris______> ok, still weird. it only when the laptop is not plugged in to power
[13:57] <Chris______> if it's plugged in it doesn't work. i just never thought to check that way
[13:58] <Chris______> i've rebooted and am testing it again on battery power just to make sure
[13:59] <Chris______> yeah, it works fine, can sleep and wake up when on battery power, but not if plugged in
[14:00] <lordievader> Does the 'sudo pm-suspend' still work on battery?
[14:00] <Chris______> yes, when on battery everyting is fine
[14:01] <Chris______> so, pm-suspend, qdbus and menu button all work on battery.
[14:02] <Chris______> just tested pm-suspend while on power. it's stuck...
[14:03] <Chris______> in power management i have identical settings for battery and AC power
[14:11] <lordievader> Oh, I interpreted that wrong. I thought it didn't work on battery. Hmm. How odd that standby doesn't work when powered.
[14:16] <Chris______> i have no usb stuff atached to it, by the way
[15:05] <Doyle> Replaced the AMD gpu with an NVIDIA and the world is immediately a better place. I can lock the system without it freezing for 5 minutes now.  ^_^
[17:22] <ntkubuntu> hi there, I've just installed kubuntu. Now I'm facing the problem that if I remove an usb stick then the complete system seems to freeze
[17:23] <ntkubuntu> can anybody help me with that?
[17:26] <ntkubuntu> If I apply the usb stick everything works fine. I can read any data stored on that stick. But if I release/remove the usb stick ... everything seems to crash
[18:36] <denza242> well I seem to be in a pickle
[18:37] <denza242> my upgrade to wily was interrupted and the only thing that changed was that my sources were bumped to wily
[18:40] <BluesKaj> denza242, you set the sources.list to any OS repos with sed,  "example" sudo sed -i 's/saucy/trusty/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:40] <BluesKaj> then apt update it  and try again
[18:41] <denza242> so I downgrade it first, then update it?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> that would probly be best, yes
[18:42] <BluesKaj> you can't skip OS releases, thatwill surely break your install
[18:43] <BluesKaj> like vivid to xenial for example
[18:43] <denza242> nah, just vivid -> wily
[18:43] <BluesKaj> ok good
[18:44] <denza242> BluesKaj: if some packages have already been updated, would it be best to manually "upgrade" it to Wily
[18:45] <BluesKaj> denza242, yes, sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:47] <BluesKaj> if you get a message saying , already upgraded , then run, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[18:48] <BluesKaj> that should finish upgrading any missing packages
[19:45] <ted586947> using 15.10 sound output has died recently and fixes are not working - how can i reset the sound settings to their default values again?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> ted586947, which audio chip?
[19:48] <ted586947> BluesKaj: not sure -its a  dell latitude e6410 laptop
[19:50] <BluesKaj> ted586947, type alsamixer in the terminal , the audio chip will show in th ewupper left. Also if scroll across to audiomute, make sure it's disabled by using down arrow key
[19:50] <denza242> um is this normal
[19:50] <denza242> Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version
[19:51] <denza242> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[19:51] <BluesKaj> denza242, yes
[19:51] <denza242> bah, forgot to remove newlines
[19:51] <denza242> BluesKaj: even if I have a 64 bit CPU?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> denza242, you can opt out if you want and keep your perwsent config
[19:52] <BluesKaj> present/current
[19:52] <ted586947> BluesKaj: HDA Intel MID - IDT 92HD81B1C5 - audiomute is not enabled
[19:54] <BluesKaj> ted586947, ok in the terminal do: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[19:55] <BluesKaj> ted586947, after certain upgrades to alsa or pulseaudio the intel audio driver fails to load
[19:56] <denza242> BluesKaj: er, I already accepted...
[19:56] <denza242> ...it'll work though still, right?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> you'll need to reboot
[19:57] <ted586947> BluesKaj: I did that  sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel - hit return - no output in the shell
[19:57] <BluesKaj> there is no output from the modprobe command if the driver loads properly
[19:58] <BluesKaj> good no errors, ted586947
[19:59] <ted586947> BluesKaj: OK if I start VLC and play a video there is no sound but - now if I got to Audio Device and select one for my chip as above it starts working but
[20:00] <BluesKaj> ted586947, vlc has it's own settings oprions in audio and tools
[20:01] <ted586947> there is another device default HDA NVIDIA HDMI 0
[20:01] <ted586947> BluesKaj: yes I've tried resetting all VLC prefs to default but there was no impact
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ted586947, well, what kind of sound system are you connecting to the pc?
[20:05] <ted586947> nothing - btw if i open System settingsdouble click on multimedia it crashes - tried it several times - not good
[20:06] <ted586947> but its been a fairly stable system usually and audio worked out of the box so i expect some sort of reset would work
[20:07] <BluesKaj> ted586947, make sure your packages are up to date, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[20:07] <ted586947> BluesKaj: done that just now - all up to date
[20:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu Podcast link: http://youtu.be/eZH6b6hJi2o It's live right now
[20:09] <ted586947> i have something called Cadence installed that I think manages JACK could that be connected - clutching at straws here
[20:10] <BluesKaj> use the analog audio choces in pulseaudio/pavucontrol if you pavu installed
[20:12] <ted586947> BluesKaj: installing now - sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[20:13] <ted586947> BluesKaj: $ pavucontrol produces "Fatal Error unable to connect to PulseAudio OK"
[20:13] <BluesKaj> perhaps you don't have pulseaudio installed
[20:14] <BluesKaj> you don't really need it with intel audio unless you want simultaneous audio sources playing
[20:16] <keithzg> Hmm, any particular reason why in Wily kstart is installed by kde-runtime while kstart5 is installed by kde-cli-tools? What's the difference?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> but if you have jack installed it could be redirecting the signal to the wrong output
[20:17] <BluesKaj> ted586947,^
[20:18] <keithzg> Oh, huh, kde-runtime is still Qt/KDE 4 based even on Wily? I guess a lot of stuff isn't ported yet, so fair enough.
[20:18] <ted586947> BluesKaj: ahh - i think that could be it - would you suggest uninstalling JACK ? Willing to try anything really
[20:19] <BluesKaj> ted586947, jack is mostly used for pro audio or recording
[20:20] <BluesKaj> from mixers etc
[20:22] <ted586947> yeah i installed a package of audio progs - i think it came with hydrogen and cadence - but i havent use them much
[20:22] <BluesKaj> ted586947, i use both analog and digital/spdif outputs on my intel chip soundcard ..no pulseaudio or jack
[20:24] <ted586947> BluesKaj: ok im going to try uninstalling JACK and whatever goes with it via synaptic - i can always reinstall later
[20:25] <BluesKaj> both spdif digital and analog go to my audio receiver, but the analog could run a powered speaker system if needed
[20:25] <BluesKaj> ted586947, yes good idea
[20:28] <BluesKaj> !hydrogen
[20:28] <BluesKaj> !info hydrogen
[20:28] <BluesKaj> !info cadence
[20:29] <ted586947> BluesKaj:  kxstudio meta packages going with removal of JACK - i must have got them in a PPA
[20:30] <ted586947> right thats all done - quite a lot gone - should it need a reboot
[20:31] <BluesKaj> do you have pulseaudio installed ?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> ted586947,^
[20:32] <ted586947> BluesKaj: how would I know?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> just type it in the terminal or search in the package manager
[20:33] <ted586947> yes pulseaudio is installed according to synaptic
[20:35] <BluesKaj> it's your choice , it can help in some cases, don't let my prejudices affect your choices :-)
[20:36] <BluesKaj> but if you decide to uninstall it use purge
[20:36] <ted586947> bit bizzare - reset vlc prefs to default - launched it on a video - audio played - the VLC preferences popped up i clicked on and they disappearted - the audio stopped
[20:36] <ted586947> im happy to purge pulseaudio
[20:37] <BluesKaj> ted586947, check audio devices
[20:37] <BluesKaj> on vlc
[20:37] <BluesKaj> ok purge pulse then reboot
[20:38] <ted586947> in vlc theres a list of about 30 audio devices - most of them duplicates
[20:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, just choose the first analog
[20:40] <BluesKaj> and in the tools/audio choose alsa output in the drop down
[20:40] <ted586947> BluesKaj: that works - it always resets to the notworking one
[20:42] <ted586947> purging pulseaudio now then rebooting - hope to see you on the other side, tx for the guidance so far
[20:43] <BluesKaj> once the tools/audio settings are saved then go back to audio devices and choose one analog , it could be your choice in system settings multimedia needs to be changed to alsa
[20:47] <BluesKaj> once the tools/audio settings are saved then go back to audio devices and choose one analog , it could be your choice in system settings multimedia needs to be changed to alsa
[20:47] <BluesKaj> ted586947,^
[20:53] <BluesKaj> ted586947, just ignore the pulse option...it still shows up due to the bluetooth libs I think
[20:53] <ted586947> rebooted with progress -  now - youtube audio working fine - dragon player audio working fine - System Settings Audio the tests play fine - vlc still no audio until I select the correct audio device
[20:54] <BluesKaj> yeah that's a problem with vlc, my setup requires the same reset
[20:55] <BluesKaj> if i want to listen thru my wireless headphones I use the analog setting in vlc audio devices
[20:56] <ted586947> BluesKaj: its so odd - its still defaults to the not working NVIDIA device despite resetting
[20:57] <ted586947> just vlc - the rest seems to be working fine - odd cos VLC has been such a reliable prog for me for years
[20:57] <BluesKaj> ted586947, are you saving the setting in vlc/tools/audio?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> make sure alsa is the default at the top of the list in systemsettings>multimedia>devicepreference>music
[21:00] <ted586947> i jusdt did that - restarted vlc - launched a file in vlc got 1 second of audio then silence - like my just set vlc prefs got overridden somehow just after launch
[21:01] <ted586947> i only have one now in systemsettings>multimedia>devicepreference>music just "Default" - but the test on it plays audio fine
[21:03] <ted586947> purging vlc then reinstalling just to check if that makes a difference
[21:04] <finetundra> ted586947: have you already tried deleting your config data for, it's vlc right?
[21:05] <ted586947> yep tried that a few times unfortunately
[21:05] <finetundra> Ok
[21:07] <ted586947> somewhere VLCs prefs are getting overridden - so even if i save the correct ones  a second after launch they are reset back to the broken option - well getting all my audio bar vlc working is good progress :)
[21:09] <BluesKaj> ted586947, http://imgur.com/MqyYXYm and  http://imgur.com/4jtjEdh
[21:13] <ted586947> BluesKaj: first pic (VLC) is the same as mine - second pic SystemSettings all I got is "Default" - no "alsa" or "pulseaudio" options
[21:15] <BluesKaj> ted586947, just ignore the pulse audio when it appears, alsa should show up after a reboot
[21:16] <ted586947> i could purge reinstall alsa ?
[21:16] <BluesKaj> no need
[21:17] <BluesKaj> make sure you have alsa and alsa-utils installed
[21:17] <BluesKaj> alsa-base
[21:17] <BluesKaj> too
[21:18] <ted586947> yes all three are there
[21:18] <BluesKaj> oops no more alsa base, I forgot
[21:18] <BluesKaj> ok I
[21:19] <BluesKaj> I'm on a dev OS so things have changed here
[21:19] <ted586947> thanks for your help mate
[21:19] <ted586947> BluesKaj: ^^^
[21:20] <BluesKaj> it's been a long day, think i'm done
[21:20] <BluesKaj> np ted586947 , hope it works out
[21:20] <ted586947> been quite a journey :) but all of it is now working so
[21:21] <ted586947> its just a minor glitch in vlc left but
[21:21] <ted586947> i needed to clear out a lot of the cruft that was in there anyway to narrow it down
[21:22] <ted586947> and you helped a lot so cheers and have a good night ;)
[21:24] <somebodyunimport> test
[21:24] <somebodyunimport> ok cool
[21:26] <Chris______> hi again. back trying to get some help with my kubuntu problem: once my laptop goes to sleep, it never wakes up. and that only happens when it's plugged into ac power. reinstalled everything once more a couple of hours ago. same behavior on the live cd. once it freezes, i have to take out the battery, otherwise it's stuck and won't boot anything, can't even get into bios. i'm on the latest kubuntu on a lenovo ideapad s205
[21:28] <Chris______> i got some help earlier today from someone who helped me figure out it only happend on ac power. but i'm still stuck
[21:31] <Chris______> anyone have any ideas? already tried different video drivers
[21:31] <Chris______> ctrl+alt+f1/f7 does nothing when it's frozen, no hdd activity or anything
[21:47] <Chris______> i'm not feeling ignored, i know it's pretty idle here
[22:55] <regedit> what causes Kubuntu's Dolphin view to refresh when file actions are taken (like create/move file etc) ?
[22:55] <Benny_> Hallo i've got a big problem. I startet sudo apt-get remove java* Now many system files are gone and i dont knoe how to repair.
[22:55] <regedit> i'm not seeing that happen in KDE on other distros, it seems to be an open bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244163
[22:55] <regedit> how come it seems to work on Kubuntu?
[22:57] <Benny_> Nobody with an idea?
[22:57] <regedit> sudo apt-get -f install ?
[22:57] <regedit> not sure how much that helps
[22:58] <Benny_> I can not start kubuntu any more
[22:58] <Benny_> i'm hier with live cd
[22:58] <regedit> did you really literally type "sudo apt-get remove java*" ? or did you type it a little different
[22:59] <regedit> ah well then recovery measures need to be taken, bit out of my area of knowledge
[22:59] <Benny_> exactly sudo apt-get remove java*
[23:00] <Benny_> i think it was a very bad idea :(
[23:01] <Benny_> if i do a reinstallation, all my installed programes are away?
[23:04] <regedit> unless your various installation directories ( /usr /opt etc) were on a separate partition, yup
[23:05] <regedit> and even if they are - i barely know what i'm talking about
[23:06] <regedit> if there are specific startup messages/errors feel free to ask/research about them
[23:06] <regedit> it could be an easily remediable issue, could be not
[23:06] <regedit> the more info you dig up & share the better chances someone actually bothering to help :)
[23:08] <Benny_> Dolphin, ocular had been deletet. but widows of both applications were still running. after a reboot. im am able to get access trough network. but there ist just a x for my mouse and nothing else
[23:09] <Benny_> i need to get access to network during recovery mode. nut teher it failed
[23:11] <Benny__> i will rebbot my other pc now for detailed info
[23:13] <Benny__> Would it be helpfull if i save all data from / into /home which is on a seperate partition
[23:19] <Benny__> error: unable to launch "/usr/bin/startkde" X session --- "/usr/bin/startkde" not found; falling back to default session
[23:21] <Benny__> does anybody know how to get a terminal?
[23:22] <regedit> ctrl+alt+F1?
[23:22] <Benny__> yes...thank you very much
[23:23] <regedit> does apt-get have a history/log of installs/uninstalls? maybe you can see the list of packages that may have gotten uninstalled and simply apt-get install them
[23:23] <regedit> in openSUSE YaST2 has a nice history log of every update/install/uninstall action that happens, whether automatically or from command line
[23:24] <Benny__> Thats a very good idea.
[23:24] <regedit> (or is it zypper)
[23:24] <regedit> not sure if such concepts exist in the *buntus with apt-get tho
[23:25] <Benny__> im trying to do apt-get update but ist doesnt work
[23:28] <regedit> Benny__: "it doesnt work" is never helpful, always gather and report much more information than that
[23:29] <regedit> if your system sounds horribly broken it might indeed be time to copy away your important data and reformat
[23:29] <Benny__> :(
[23:30] <valorie> in a console, please try `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[23:31] <regedit> again - unless you can roll up your sleeves & get down 'n dirty doing a lot of googling, trying things, and researching error message output
[23:31] <valorie> Benny__: ^^^
[23:31] <valorie> that should restore you to a working system
[23:31] <valorie> and then you can fix further from there
[23:31] <Benny__> My problem: there are nor error messages
[23:32] <regedit> please describe what *does* happen then
[23:33] <Benny__> now i've got accsess to terminal and network
[23:33] <Benny__> only gui ist broken
[23:33] <regedit> the less you keep us guessing the less patience we lose :)
[23:33] <Benny__> it says 10 packages can bee updated
[23:33] <valorie> then paste or type exactly what I put between the tick marks, Benny__
[23:34] <valorie> of course don't put in the ticks `
[23:34] <Benny__> ok
[23:34] <valorie> regedit: I've been where Benny__ is, and it's sort of scary
[23:35] <regedit> i remember that too, that's when i started keeping data safely separate from OS installations, and don't get very attached to OS installations anymore
[23:35] <regedit> i reformat regularly now
[23:36] <Benny__> My Data ist safe. but i have to install everything again and that takes lots of time
[23:36] <Benny__> So, what should i type in valorie?
[23:40] <Benny__> i think i'll try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:40] <valorie> `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[23:40] <valorie> that entire thing, you can copy/paste or just copy if you are on a different computer
[23:41] <bprompt> Benny__:    when you removed java, how many files it listed it was going to remove?   like 20 or 75?
[23:41] <bprompt> also.. why did you remove java? :/
[23:41] <Benny__> very much
[23:42] <Benny__> i wantet to install version 8
[23:42] <Benny__> and remove 7
[23:42] <bprompt> Benny__:     you mean, it was like 100 files to remove?
[23:42] <Benny__> ja
[23:42] <Benny__> yes
[23:42] <bprompt> hmmm I see.... hmmm
[23:43] <bprompt> likely apt-get, removed a bunch of dependencies that weren't java specific, but system, usually
[23:43] <Benny__> yes i thik so too
[23:44] <bprompt> yes, I've seen it doing that, I think is some flaw in apt-get when removing packages, it hoses unspecific ones
[23:44] <bprompt> Benny__:    well, that means.. you hosed kubuntu pretty much :/
[23:45] <Benny__> yes i did
[23:45] <bprompt> Benny__:    hmmm you could just do a reinstall.... as far as installing everything... what does that mean? how many packages? do you even keep a list of what packages you ever installed?
[23:45] <Benny__> but im looking hopefully on valories tips
[23:46] <Benny__> no i dont have such a list. but there is a log file somewhere
[23:46] <bprompt> well, I'd think a dist-upgrade, will simply do, over a network, what you can do with the usb installation, only difference is, that the usb will do it 25times faster
[23:47] <Benny__> it's back again. Thank you very much
[23:48] <bprompt> Benny__:     what you can salvage is your $HOME directory, that one keeps all your configurations, which are a hassle to redo, font settings, session settings, workspace, themes, caches, aliases and such, so... you'd want to back that up before a reinstall
[23:48] <Benny__> No reinstall nessecary. ist works fone again
[23:49] <bprompt> alrite, all's well that ends well :)
[23:50] <bprompt> Benny__:    now as far as java, just install on top of older version, it'll get updated in place
[23:51] <bprompt> Benny__:     btw, you'd want to make an image of the system, and keep it around, so you can put it back when something happens
[23:51] <bprompt> with something like Clonezilla
[23:52] <Benny__> i'll do this soon. now i have to work. :(
[23:52] <bprompt> k


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