[00:12] <mrand> hipitihop: interesting.  "It is a kernel bug unless I am missing some rule about sysfs timing."
[00:16] <hipitihop> mrand, that's my interpretation. I played around with a rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d and if I run "sudo udevadm test /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/usb3/3-4/3-4:1.0/input/input4" which happens to be my device, then it claims "sudo udevadm test /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/usb3/3-4/3-4:1.0/input/input4"
[00:16] <hipitihop> sorry, claims "udev_event_execute_rules: device event will be ignored"
[00:17] <mrand> kinda hard to use when it is being ignored ;-)
[00:17] <hipitihop> but when the machine reboots, then "sudo cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" still shows it using usbhid driver
[00:18] <hipitihop> aah, am I missreading the result of the test ?
[00:21] <hipitihop> mrand, I thought that was the point of the exercise to get udev to ignroe the device and not load usbhid as driver.
[00:23] <mrand> hipitihop: I assume that is the point as well.
[00:29] <unimaginative> I upgraded my mythbuntu install to 9.10, and now the 'lirc_mceusb2" module is misisng from the new kernel...
[00:51] <hipitihop> mrand, do you know if /etc/modprobe.d/usbhid mentioned in step 3 http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/getting-imon-0038-lcd-working-with-lirc.html is correct for ubuntu/karmic ? as all other files in /etc/mdprobe.d are *.conf
[01:37] <hipitihop>  When I do "/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid$ sudo echo -n 3-4:1.0 >unbind" I get "-bash: unbind: Permission denied" anyone help ?
[02:05] <mrand> hipitihop: at least on 9.04, it looks like that was still a valid thing to do.  My wild guess would be 9.10 hasn't changed.  Unless it has :-)   http://www.ivankuznetsov.com/2009/10/upgrading-iphone-firmware-using-vmware-and-ubuntu-9-04.html
[02:07] <mrand> hipitihop: or maybe it has changed to /etc/modprobe.d/usbhid.conf (http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?p=402888)
[02:44] <darkfrog> hey guys, just upgraded to 9.10 and I need the 6200ch binary to change channels via firewire, but it's expecting libraw1394-8 and Karmic has libraw1394-11, is there a known solution or an updated version?
[02:46] <darkfrog> well, on the help.ubuntu.com wiki it says: "NOTE: The 6200.ch changer is included in the Ubuntu MythTV packages and is no longer needed for the Motorola 62xx STBs." but how do I configure Myth to change the channel then?
[02:49] <rhpot1991> darkfrog: I'm using that to change channels, whats the issue?
[02:49] <rhpot1991> IIRC I unpacked it and it just worked
[02:50] <darkfrog> rhpot1991: I downloaded it from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_External_Channel_Changer a long time ago and that's what it references in the "external channel changer" in mythtv-setup...how do I rely on what's built-into mythtv now?
[02:50] <darkfrog> rhpot1991: are you running Karmic?
[02:55] <mishehu> wonder how long it will be before my hvr-2250 is in vanilla kernel tree :-/
[02:57] <hipitihop> mrand, ok sudo sh -c 'echo -n 3-4:1.0 > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid/unbind' and sudo sh -c 'echo -n 3-4:1.1 > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid/unbind' has managed to et usbhid to let go
[03:01] <hipitihop> mrand: driver finally listed as (none) see http://paste.ubuntu.com/312942/ ... I guess now the next step is, how to get it to bind lirc_imon
[03:18] <rhpot1991> darkfrog: yep its in contrib, you should be using it from there
[03:19] <rhpot1991> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/
[03:24]  * hipitihop wonders why so many amphibians here hipitihop, darkfrog, toad
[03:26] <mrand> hipitihop: Can you keeping track of this stuff so a wiki page or some documentation can be done up once it is all figured out?
[03:26] <hipitihop> mrand, doing my best, as I sure don't want some other poor bugger to go through thi
[03:27] <mrand> hehehe.
[03:29] <hipitihop> I have now removed both the fdi an dudev rules, rebooted and simply done sudo sh -c 'echo -n 3-4:1.0 > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid/unbind' and sudo sh -c 'echo -n 3-4:1.1 > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid/unbind' and still listed s no driver
[03:32] <hipitihop> do you know what the -n arg does on the above ?
[03:33] <mrand>        -n     do not output the trailing newline
[03:34] <mrand> (from man echo)
[03:34] <rhpot1991> anyone else seem to have random recordings that aren't flagging in .22?
[03:35] <hipitihop> so I'm contemplating reverse to lirc_imon e.g. sudo sh -c 'echo -n 3-4:1.1 > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/lirc_imon/bind'
[03:37]  * hipitihop runs off to see if irw responds now
[03:45] <hipitihop> mrand, that's it !!! I did sudo sh -c 'echo -n 3-4:1.0 > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/lirc_imon/bind' and sudo sh -c 'echo -n 3-4:1.1 > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/lirc_imon/bind' and now sudo cat /proc/bus/usb/devices lists both using lirc_imon as the drive... irw finally responds in terminal and responds to all buttons on the remote
[03:45] <mrand> awesome!
[03:45] <mrand> you got the 3-4:10 from doing ls /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid ?
[03:46] <hipitihop> obviously that is a manual solution so won't survive beyond a reboot, but I will work toward actually getting the rest of lirc config correct for all the keys so I can finally use mythtv with it and worry about automating all this after that
[03:47] <hipitihop> mrand, I guess that is one way but there can be other divices depending on what is plugged in... holdon going through notes
[03:52] <hipitihop> ok "dmesg | grep 15c2" in my case shows input: HID 15c2:0043 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/usb3/3-4/3-4:1.0/input/input4"
[03:53] <Shred00> there doesn't seem to have been weeklybuilds updates since may.  is that expected?
[03:53] <Shred00> also, will there be a myth 0.22 release for hardy from mythbuntu?
[03:53] <mrand> hipitihop:  and so maybe you want to do the following?   udevinfo -a -p /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/usb3/3-4/3-4:1.0/input/input4
[03:54] <mrand> to find the modalias.... kinda like what I'd outlined here:http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Gyration-based_MCE_Remotes#udev_method
[03:54] <mrand> Shred00: sorry, no 0.22 for hardy.
[03:55] <Shred00> damn.  some people really do buy into the whole LTS thing and not want to run around upgrading whole oses every six months.  :-(  i understand your position too though.
[03:55] <Zinn> Shred00: Please watch your language.
[03:55] <mrand> 0.21 was updated not too long ago I think... may doesn't seem right.   Oh, you said weekly builds.  they may have transitioned to "auto-builds" instead.
[03:55] <Shred00> auto-builds?
[03:55] <Shred00> Zinn: language?
[03:56] <mrand> Shred00: yeah, I understand it kinds stinks, but actually the LTS thing is really for the software released around that time.  0.22 is coming 18 months later... almost in time for 10.04 LTS!
[03:56] <hipitihop> mrand, that doesn't work, but you are correct, you can then do "udevadm info -a -p /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/usb3/3-4/3-4:1.0/"
[03:56] <Shred00> is auto-builds something i should have transitioned to from weeklybuilds?
[03:57] <ipwnu> hello, I just installed 9.10 today and everything was working fine until i tried to tweak my display using the
[03:57] <ipwnu> hello, I just installed 9.10 today and everything was working fine until i tried to tweak my display using the
[03:57] <mrand> Shred00: yes.... check out http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[03:58] <tgm4883> well weekly builds and auto-builds are the same thing
[03:58] <Shred00> mrand: indeed, so google led me to
[03:58] <ipwnu> hello, I just installed 9.10 today and everything was working fine until i tried to tweak my display using the screen setup wizard / appearance
[03:58] <mrand> tgm4883: he said he hasn't gotten an update since May.  doesn't seem quite right.
[03:58] <ipwnu> gui width
[03:58] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:59] <ipwnu> now I can't get rid of the panel along the top of the screen...
[03:59] <tgm4883> mrand, check the repo line?
[03:59] <Shred00> hrm.  maybe it's just the uk mirror that's out of date.  unfortunately the main mirror is not browsable
[04:00] <tgm4883> Shred00, there are 4 mirrors now
[04:01] <tgm4883> I would download and install the new mythbuntu-repos package
[04:01] <hipitihop> mrand, are you trying to get me to go the next step and use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Gyration-based_MCE_Remotes#udev_method for my modealias so that it is automated ?
[04:01] <Shred00> weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org has 0.21.0+fixes21768-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1 which is the same as uk.weekly... which shows in a Packages file that has not been modified since May
[04:01] <tgm4883> also, it's worth noting that yes, LTS is Long Term Support, but that doesn't mean you get new releases backported to it
[04:02] <Shred00> yeah, i'm examining that package now
[04:02] <mrand> hipitihop: I'm no expert, but yes, I was wondering if that would be your next step (if that even works on 9.10)
[04:02] <mrand> 21768 is current
[04:02] <hipitihop> mrand, isn't taht assuming though that the udev rules approach works ?
[04:03] <hipitihop> mrand, I thought that kernel bug was causing some of those attributes to not be available at the time of processing the rules
[04:04] <mrand> hipitihop: yeah, sorry... guess I was jumping around too much.
[04:05] <hipitihop> mrand, np, I also basically have no idea what I'm doing in this area so just checking :-)
[04:05] <mrand> Like I said, I'm no expert on it either.  I was hoping to hack on my gyration remote today, but didn't get to it.
[04:06] <hipitihop> mrand, are you having a similar problem ?
[04:06] <mrand> I don't know, haven't tried it in a long time.  I'm guessing that I will.
[04:07] <Shred00> ahhh.  there we go.  us.autobuilds.mythbuntu.org looks much fresher
[04:07] <mrand> BTW, [21768] is current for 0.21 though.  It's only a few months old (Sept)
[04:11] <Shred00> are final 0.22 packages (i.e. Nov. 6 release) available or just the 21-oct-2009 packages in http://us.autobuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/trunk-0.22/?
[04:12] <JT|work> hey guys, is there a way to keep a certain directory tree cached in memory?
[04:13] <carpenike> hi all, trying to get a user job to convert recordings to iPhone format per this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone
[04:13] <JT|work> the large files that mythtv records trashes my filesystem cache
[04:13] <mrand> Shred00: We're tracking 0.22-fixes branch nightly if you use auto-builds.
[04:13] <carpenike> Using the latest RC candidate for 9.10
[04:13] <carpenike> But the job doesn't appear to start ffmpeg
[04:13] <carpenike> I can run it by hand manually.
[04:13] <carpenike> But when running it from the UI the ffmpeg process doesn't appear to ever start.
[04:14] <mrand> carpenike: I don't know how much experience people here have with transcoding... searching the mythtv-users mailing list archive or asking on #mythtv-users may get more responses.
[04:14] <carpenike> ok thx.
[04:14] <Shred00> carpenike: yeah, that's probably better than the actual GA release anyway.
[04:15] <carpenike> Shred00: serious?
[04:16] <Shred00> carpenike: 0.22-fixes better than 0.22.0 release?  sure.  why wouldn't it be?
[04:18] <carpenike> Hmm.. You know, not sure which one I installed now. might actually be the GA. Is there an easy way to check?
[04:19] <Shred00> is 0.22-fixes being tracked in http://us.autobuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/trunk-0.22/ or somewhere else?
[04:20] <mrand> Shred00: sorry, yes... that is what is tracking it.
[04:20] <mrand> ignore the trunk in the path.
[04:20] <Shred00> hrm.  the Packages file in there for Karmic says 22-Oct-2009
[04:20] <Shred00> 0.22.0~trunk22228-0ubuntu0~mythbuntu3
[04:21] <mrand> carpenike:  what does apt-cache policy mythtv-frontend give you?
[04:22] <mrand> Shred00: That date sounds like the 9.10 .iso release.
[04:22] <carpenike> mrand: Installed: 0.22.0~zrc1-0ubuntu1
[04:22] <Shred00> mrand: indeed
[04:23] <mrand> Shred00: https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/trunk-0.22  shows 22766
[04:24] <Shred00> so maybe that autobuilds location is not tracking the 0.22 fixes branch.  i will take a look at the ppa
[04:25] <Shred00> myth's svn/track shows 22772, 44 minutes ago, so pretty close
[04:25] <mrand> carpenike: that is indeed an rc.  I would expect an update would get you newer one.  I would personally suggest enabling the auto-builds ppa to keep up with the latest bug fixes: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[04:25] <mrand> Shred00: yes, the ppa got built an hour ago or so.
[04:26] <Shred00> well, i guess i'm doing a hardy->karmic upgrade tomorrow.  but certainly not before i do some lvm snapshots.  :-)
[04:27] <mrand> Shred00: I believe Ubuntu upgrades require you to go through the intermediate steps (8.10 and 9.04)
[04:28] <Shred00> anyone gotten any impressions on whether 0.22 is any heavier on video playback?  my BE/FE is just fast enough to playback currently.  don't want to have to beef it up if i don't need to.  using nvidia 5200 in it.
[04:29] <Shred00> mrand: naw.  i do apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades anyway, and every interim release is supposed to be able to update the previous LTS as the interim releases are making their way to the next LTS.  i saw specific commits in Karmic regarding smother hardy upgrades.
[04:30] <Shred00> in any case, i am an able hacker so i can fix any breakage that might ensue.
[04:30] <Shred00> and with the safety of a snapshot prior to upgrade, the whole thing can go to hell in a handbasket and i simply have to reboot on the snapshot i took and i am back to square one.
[04:30] <Zinn> Shred00: Please watch your language.
[04:30] <mrand> Shred00: interesting (re: upgrades).   Cool -that's good to hear.   Some of the new themes are kinda heavy, I think I heard the fallback is not
[04:31] <mrand> Shred00: yeah, that's the way to do it if you can!
[04:31] <Shred00> Zinn: what language are you objecting to exactly?
[04:31] <mrand> Zinn is a bot.  I think he triggers on any four letter word.
[04:32] <Shred00> oh jeez.
[04:32] <Shred00> h - e - double-hockey-sticks is a 4 letter word?
[04:33] <mrand> *shrug*  I didn't program him :-)
[04:33] <mrand> I gotta run.  have fun everyone.
[04:33] <Shred00> me too.  bed awaits.
[05:03] <CyberKnet> Do I need to upgrade to 9.10 to get 0.22? (I'm currently on 9.04)
[05:04] <hads> The official upgrade is either through every release or LTS to LTS, so 8.04 -> 10.04, or 8.04 -> 8.10 -> 9.04 -> 9.10
[05:04] <hads> CyberKnet: I believe there is a PPA for 0.22 on 9.04
[05:04] <CyberKnet> Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term PPA, would you be able to explain it to me please?
[05:06] <hads> Sure, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[05:06] <CyberKnet> thanks hads
[05:07] <hads> Try this I think; https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/trunk-0.22
[05:07] <CyberKnet> I'll check it out
[05:07] <CyberKnet> aah, a personal package archive.
[05:08] <hads> Yeah, they aren't really personal as such though :) SOme of them are by official teams such as the mythbuntu guys
[05:08] <CyberKnet> Oh bother. There's already a FAQ entry on Mythbuntu.org about how to do this.
[05:08] <CyberKnet> drat. Sorry :|
[05:10] <hads> heh no worries, I haven't read it :)
[05:13] <CyberKnet> I should have.
[05:13]  * CyberKnet is really looking forward to Terra
[05:17] <CyberKnet> hmmm... many mythtv packages are being held back by apt-get
[05:17] <CyberKnet> aptitude time
[05:23] <superm1> CyberKnet, you dont need to use aptitude
[05:23] <superm1> just apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:23] <superm1> i'm not a fan of aptitude because it makes bad decisions sometiems
[05:23] <superm1> and if someone isn't paying attention they might miss it's bad decisions as they are made
[05:25] <hads> Yeah, it's useful sometimes if you pay attention.
[05:40] <kschreyack> Hi Guys, I have a Hauppauge WinTV Radio pci card and I can't see the IR hardware via lspci -v.  I'm not too sure how to troubleshoot this.  Any advice?
[05:57] <CyberKnet> superm1: Yeah, I actually just noticed that. Luckily update manager was able to fix things
[05:58] <CyberKnet> but ... now mythfrontend won't start
[05:58] <CyberKnet> it says Metallurgy is missing mainwindow.xml and is broken, tries to fall back to Terra, and sais it can't load mainmenu from menu-ui.xml
[05:58] <CyberKnet> then mythfrontend exits
[05:59]  * CyberKnet bites the bullet and does a 9.04 -> 9.10
[06:00] <CyberKnet> already hosed my database up once today and had to restore from the backup that mythbackend wisely made.
[06:03] <kschreyack> bummer CyberKnet
[06:04] <CyberKnet> kschreyack: At least there was a backup - I was grateful for that.
[06:04] <CyberKnet> kschreyack: Though why mythfrontend won't start ... *shrug*
[06:04] <CyberKnet> kschreyack: I can only hope that the 9.04 -> 9.10 upgrade does some magic there.
[06:04] <kschreyack> hmm, my issue exists under 9.10
[06:05] <CyberKnet> kschreyack: Sorry, I have no idea :|
[06:05] <kschreyack> however we have some different issues going on.  I've got nothing going on with the DB or watch tv
[06:06] <kschreyack> so you have a WinTV card?
[06:06] <CyberKnet> No, I have two other Hauppauge cards though
[06:06] <CyberKnet> PVR-500 and HVR-2250
[06:07] <kschreyack> how do you like the HD card?
[06:07] <CyberKnet>  Very much. I get out of it exactly what I expected.
[06:08] <kschreyack> excellent, good to hear
[06:08] <CyberKnet> I use it via QAM from Cox Cable
[06:08] <CyberKnet> very happy with the video quality.
[06:08] <CyberKnet> but then again ... I'm not exactly a videophile :)
[06:08] <kschreyack> you doing 720 or 1080?
[06:09] <kschreyack> I've got 720 on a 37" LG
[06:14] <CyberKnet> 1080i
[06:14] <CyberKnet> on a hitachi 50" plasma
[06:19] <kschreyack> very nice ;)
[06:39] <SteveG> I filed a bug against mythweb on 0.22 with a clean load of 9.10.  Can anone else who has a clean build (and did not restore the favorites table - not in the new schema) confirm this for me.  http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7479
[07:20] <CyberKnet> Yep. Update to 9.10 fixed it
[07:20] <CyberKnet> weird.
[07:31] <Scooby> Hi, I'm having some serious problems booting into the live CD. I select English Language and boot it from the menu then it loads a buch of stuff and the screen will start blinking and it dumps me at the command prompt (ubuntu@ubuntu:#) with it still flashing. What's the problem?
[07:39] <macdingo> Anyone out there who has mastered lirc-alsa for IR remote?
[10:04] <hipitihop> amazing grib by usbhid... even adding usbhid.quirks=0x15c2:0x0043:0x4 to kernel parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't stop it.
[10:16] <hipitihop> now that I have lirc_imon driver being used correctly and I have confirmed via IRW that all keys on my remote generate a code, what else do I need to do to get lirc correctly  configured and integrated with mythfronend ?
[10:27] <sebrock> I'm having real trouble setting up jamu in 9.10, it keeps complaining about missing folders although it is set
[11:25] <TFyre> aloa :) im running mythbunto 9.10/karmic and have a porblem with my audio
[11:25] <TFyre> analogue audo 5.1 (3 stereo jacks)
[11:25] <TFyre> VLC plays 100% fine
[11:25] <TFyre> the myth internal player doesnt want to play the sound...
[11:25] <TFyre> the video part is 100% fine
[11:25] <TFyre> any ideas?
[11:25] <TFyre> audio output: ALSA:default
[11:25] <TFyre> channels: 5.1
[11:25] <TFyre> speaker-test also works fine on all channels
[15:16] <bobbies> I just did a fresh install of mythbuntu 9.10 and it cann't read my videos Directory which is located on a second drive. I've set the permissions as my Pictures dir is on the same drive and it works fine (the permissions are the same). I think I've gotten everything setup correctly in myth setup, unless there is a new spto to set that wasn't in mythbuntu 8.0.4
[15:22] <darkfrog> I've got the HD-PVR and now that I've upgraded to .22 and 9.10 I'd like to set it up...is there anything I need to install or should it just work?  I currently have the PVR-250 working
[15:32] <Shred00> ~sigh~  "DB charset pre-conversion test failed. Your database seems to be partially corrupted."
[15:32] <Shred00> but my /etc/mysql/my.cnf doesn't seem to contain anything at all about character sets per http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding
[15:33] <Shred00> given that I still have a copy of the old database intact what's the easiest way through this quagmire?
[15:57] <mrand> Shred00: I think there is a thread that might help... hold on.
[16:00] <mrand> Shred00: check out http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406111  and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406477
[16:02] <Shred00> is every mythbuntu user running into this problem?
[16:02] <Shred00> what a mess
[16:02] <mrand> nope.
[16:03] <mrand> Actually haven't heard of any.
[16:03] <Shred00> prior to that error i got:
[16:03] <Shred00> 2009-11-08 10:13:58.177 DB Error (Index creation failed.):
[16:03] <Shred00> Query was:
[16:03] <Shred00> Driver error was [1/-1]:
[16:03] <Shred00> Driver not loaded
[16:03] <Shred00> Database error was:
[16:03] <Shred00> Driver not loaded
[16:03] <Shred00> i wonder if this is a mis-reporting of a different error or something
[16:06] <mrand> I think that second link may cover the "driver not loaded" thing
[16:09] <Shred00> i *hate* screwing around with mysql
[16:09] <mrand> yeah, it shouldn't be necessary in all but the most rare cases.
[16:10] <Shred00> totally
[16:10] <mrand> And in case of bugs, or bugs in the past.
[16:10] <Shred00> even bugs in the past, if known, should be dealt with in upgrades
[16:12] <mrand> That I've seen, the devs try very hard to deal with stuff properly (seemless upgrades).  But from the above threads, it seems that there are a few bugs they aren't yet comfortable dealing with in an automated fashion.
[16:24] <Shred00> i don't seem to have the latin1/utf8 mix-match that http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding describes as bad
[16:24] <Shred00> i in fact only have:
[16:24] <Shred00> Client characterset:    latin1
[16:24] <Shred00> Server characterset:    latin1
[16:25] <Shred00> i don't have the other two characterset settings
[16:40] <Shred00> why does the backend need OpenGL?
[16:41] <Shred00> why is it linked with *any* GUI libraries at all?
[17:12] <RobfrHalifax> Hi all.  I've installed the latest version of Mythbuntu and it's almost functional.  I'm currently on the Database Configuration screen (page 1 of 2) and it tells me that "Myth could not connect to the database"  Can anyone provide information on how to fix the issue?
[17:13] <RobfrHalifax> (hostname is localhost, user is mythtbv, password is random 8 digit string)
[17:26] <RobHalifax> Sorry - client crashed
[17:29] <RobHalifax> Question regarded the initial database configuration screen under the latest version of mythbuntu.  Wondering how to work around the "myth could not connect to the database" message that appears.
[17:35] <Josh__> Is there a way to switch back from mythbuntu to ubuntu-desktop?
[17:37] <superm1> yes
[17:38] <superm1> just turn off auto login and pick change seession at the login screen
[17:38] <Josh__> And remove all the myth* packages from the system?
[17:39] <superm1> if you dont want myth sure
[17:39] <superm1> i thought you just wanted to change the desktop
[17:48] <Josh__> superm1, I'm running mythtv trunk on a mythbuntu system. When I upgraded mythbuntu it reinstalled all the binaries from 0.22-fixes
[17:49] <superm1> Josh__, just re-enable the trunk ppa
[17:49] <superm1> using mythbuntu-repos
[17:49] <superm1> and it will load the trunk packages
[19:22] <LR78> are there configuration files/settings for mythvideo/mythgallery/mythmusic ?  I'm trying to configure my diskless frontend image as much as I can such that I don't have to edit too many settings on each frontend.
[19:22] <sebrock> I'm having real trouble setting up jamu in 9.10, it keeps complaining about missing folders although it is set
[19:22] <LR78> specifically a way to set the directories
[19:28] <tgm4883> LR78, iirc, that would all be database stuff
[19:29] <`ph8> hi all, we're just trying to setup our first myth box ever (msi media live) - we've got the latest (9.10) install disk but when we click the 'install myth' icon from the disk (we're using it in a live environment right now) nothing happens, we see a crash report but we can't view it's contents - sound familiar?
[19:29] <`ph8>  (so this is when ubiquity's starting)?
[19:35] <govatent> how can i change mythweb to port 8484 from 80? using ubuntu and mythweb is already running fine on 80
[19:48] <RobfrHalifax> What's the default user/pass for the mythconverg database?
[19:49] <mrand> RobfrHalifax: see /etc/mythtv/config.xml
[19:53] <Seeker`> is it possible to disable pulseaudio?
[19:53] <`ph8> sorry guys - got d/ced! So we're trying to setup myth on our new msi media live - got the 9.10 mythbuntu cd - no matter which install option we choose we always seem to end up in what i'd term to be a 'live' environment
[19:54] <`ph8> and then when we try to 'install mythbuntu' - nothing happens - i've tried running it from the command line
[19:54] <`ph8> (with no errors)
[19:54] <`ph8> does this sound like a common problem? I thought the media live was like the best device ever
[19:55] <`ph8> do you think maybe i should ditch 64 bit?
[19:55] <`ph8> could that be it?
[19:55] <mrand> `ph8: certain not a common problem.  Never heard of it, actually.  Did you check the disk (at the first menu when you boot)?   When you boot to the live environment, is there an icon for "install mythbuntu"?  Certainly give non 64-bit a try, but that shouldn't be it.
[19:55] <`ph8> or if anyone knows where ubiquity stores its logs that might be nice
[19:55] <`ph8> ok
[19:56] <`ph8> yep there's an icon, that's what's not working
[19:56] <mrand> `ph8: that's beyond strange.
[19:56] <mrand> Seeker`: yes, there are ways.  I've never done it, so I hesitate to recommend it.
[19:56] <mrand> Cause I don't know the exact steps
[19:57] <mrand> !pulse
[19:57] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about pulse
[19:57] <mrand> !pluseaudio
[19:57] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about pluseaudio
[19:57] <mrand> ugg
[19:57] <mrand> !pulse%
[19:57] <Zinn> Pulse Audio, aka kitten killer.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio for more information.  Pulse Audio seems to cause problems with MythTV.  If you are having trouble, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460579 for potential work arounds
[19:59] <Seeker`> my sound has stopped working since an upgrade to 9.10
[19:59] <Seeker`> I am using HDMI out
[19:59] <`ph8> thanks mrand, will try 32 bit and get back - will also check cd for defects as haven't done that
[20:00] <mrand> `ph8: you're welcome.
[20:00] <mrand> Seeker`: sorry, don't know anything about HDMI out, but I can imagine it is different even still
[20:11] <LR78> tgm4883, you remembered correctly, all in the settings table, thanks
[20:15] <RobfrHalifax> mrand - I cat'ed the config.xml file as per your suggestion and carefully noted the password and username.  I inserted those into the database config screen of the mythsetup and they were rejected.  Any other suggestions?
[20:16] <tgm4883> RobfrHalifax, separate frontend/backend?
[20:17] <RobfrHalifax> I've asked that they both run on the same machine (as I had with my previous install on my fc6 box)
[20:18] <RobfrHalifax> (which worked like a charm until the hd blew up yesterday :'-(
[20:29] <mrand> RobfrHalifax: the values in that file should match /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, and the contents of the stuff in ~/.mythtv - but if you're having trouble, see if any of those disagree.
[20:30] <RobfrHalifax> I'll check
[20:30] <mrand> If you find one that is different, try it.  that's my only idea.
[20:34] <RobfrHalifax> I did the install from scratch, so I'm not sure what's going on.  Could it be a permissions problem?
[20:35] <RobfrHalifax> (The password entries are all the same)
[20:36] <mrand> I thought that the setup stuff typically handled all that.  As I recall, you don't have to enter anything.  Only time I recall seeing it ask is when the backend or sql database are messed up.
[20:38] <BlueCamel> Hello. Any plans for nvidia-1.90 in the mythbuntu repos soonish?
[20:38] <tgm4883> superm1, ^
[20:39] <superm1> that's a difficult problem
[20:39] <superm1> because we dont have the open source library libvdpau in place
[20:39] <BlueCamel> I used the nvidia 1.90 driver from jya's repos prior to doing a mythbuntu 9.10 install and found it to be quite stable over the 1.85
[20:39] <tgm4883> could we put both on -testing?
[20:40] <RobfrHalifax> Is installing mythtv manually on the latest ubuntu disrto difficult to do?
[20:40] <tgm4883> !exist%
[20:40] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about exist%
[20:40] <superm1> tgm4883, needs some testing
[20:41] <superm1> and it needs to actually live in the PPA itself unfortunately
[20:41] <tgm4883> sad times
[20:42] <tgm4883> !existing - RobfrHalifax
[20:42] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about existing - RobfrHalifax
[20:42] <tgm4883> !existing | RobfrHalifax
[20:42] <Zinn> RobfrHalifax: http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[20:42] <superm1> tgm4883, i'll try to do an experiment with it on my personal ppa and see how things turn out
[20:47] <RobfrHalifax> @zinn - cool - I'll try that
[20:47] <RobfrHalifax> Dinner (and thanks for the advice guys)
[21:06] <Shred00> anyone recall the mythtv irc channel off-hand?
[21:07] <tgm4883> Shred00, mythtv-users
[21:07] <tgm4883> Shred00, #mythtv-users
[21:34] <`ph8> hi all
[21:34] <Shred00> where is mythconverg_restore.pl?
[21:34] <`ph8> just finished installing our msi media live box
[21:34] <`ph8> but we've setup the remote wrong!
[21:35] <`ph8> anyone with an msi media live know what the remote type should be?
[21:35] <`ph8> I setup the only msi one in the list, which appears to be incorrect?
[21:37] <hads> Shred00: It's in the 'mythtv' package.
[21:37] <hads> Which may not be installed on some systems.
[21:37] <hads> It's kind of a bug I guess.
[21:39] <Shred00> indeed, not installed here.  and wow, installing it brings in quite a few dependencies
[21:45] <`ph8> anyone know what the type of control is that comes with the media live? I thought it was pretty popular
[21:45] <superm1> hads, yeah that's fixed in the latest -fixes packages, but not in the package that made it in 9.10
[21:56] <`ph8> anyone? please? any idea what the control that comes with the msi media live is?
[22:02] <hads> superm1: Cool
[22:05] <`ph8> for future reference it's a windows media remote (hence the large windows button i guess)
[22:05] <`ph8> don't suppose anyone knows how to get the lcd working on the same?
[22:07] <Seeker`> upgraded to 9.10
[22:07] <Seeker`> autologin doesn't work any more
[22:07] <Seeker`> try to log in to "mythtv session", screen goes white then dumps me back at login again
[22:09] <Seeker`> any ideas?
[22:13] <Seeker`> help?
[22:25] <Shred00> mythconverg_restore.pl is in the mythtv package
[22:36] <Shred00> ahhh. seems it's in /usr/share/mythtv and in the mythtv-database package
[22:36] <Shred00> which seems a reasonable package to put it in
[22:37] <hads> Humm, depends what repository you're using I gess.
[22:37] <hads> guess
[22:38] <Shred00> i'm using the ppa
[22:39] <hads> Yeah, as superm1 said above he fixed it.
[23:23] <hipitihop> can someone link me to this channels archive... I posted a link to a kernel bug related to udev rules not firing and now lost the link
[23:28] <hipitihop> never mind found it @ http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[23:34] <Seeker`> anyone having problems with nova-t 500 remotes not working properly after an upgrade to 9.10
[23:40] <pepinito> Hi! I m having a strange problem. Chanel Up and Channel Down works ok, but when change channel by number mythtv fails. Any ideas?
[23:41] <pepinito> Btw, this is my log error:
[23:41] <pepinito> 2009-11-08 20:36:28.889 MythSocket(251e7a0:38): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms.
[23:41] <pepinito> 2009-11-08 20:36:28.889 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.
[23:41] <pepinito> 2009-11-08 20:36:28.896 LiveTVChain(live-merlin-2009-11-08T20:36:14): SwitchTo() not switching to current
[23:41] <pepinito> 2009-11-08 20:36:28.917 TV: Attempting to change from Watching WatchingLiveTV to None
[23:42] <pepinito> And I m running backend and frontend in the same machine.


[17:49] <theShirbiny> philipballew, o/
[17:49] <philipballew> theShirbiny, whats up?
[17:50] <theShirbiny> all good here, you?


[00:00] <Astro-nut> Hi.  In Xubuntu 12.04,  is it possible to run several log-in screens, each on its own VT?
[00:01] <Astro-nut> Anyone???
[00:05] <GridCube> Astro-nut, yup
[00:05] <GridCube> the same way that with any linux
[00:07] <Astro-nut> I tried but couldn't.  In the past I used this HOWTO: http://hex1a4.net/xubuntu/howto/03/ but now Xubuntu doesn't use GDM
[00:09] <Astro-nut> Is there a HOWTO on how to do it.  My Google-fu must not be so good because I couldn't find anything.
[00:10] <Unit193> Lightdm is what Xubuntu is using.
[00:10] <GridCube> !xinit
[00:10] <ochosi> Astro-nut: the key would be to start multiple X11 sessions, you don't need to do that with the desktop-manager (like gdm)
[00:10] <GridCube> asterismo, use xinit
[00:10] <ochosi> Astro-nut: what might also help your google-fu: xubuntu now uses lightdm (like ubuntu)
[00:10] <GridCube> xinit -- :1
[00:12] <Astro-nut> I should mention that I need three X displays on VTs 5-7 and that they should load on boot.  Is this possible with xinit?
[00:14] <GridCube> ok, was startx
[00:14] <GridCube> :P
[00:16] <GridCube> ok, but that launches
[00:16] <GridCube> root
[02:32] <linuxjones> hello all, im using synergy to connect to a computer connected to my tv, and i have it all set up so that it starts when i log in, the only problem is i would like to be able to use it to log in! or maybe not have to log in at all since its being used as a media server of sorts, but i cant find a "automatically log in as _____ user " in options anywhere, any help?
[02:33] <Unit193> Yep, just edit /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf
[02:33] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[03:20] <vrkalak> o/
[03:20] <Unit193> !hi
[03:24] <vrkalak> Unit193: they let just anyone in here
[03:25] <vrkalak> :-D
[04:43] <linuxshine> what is the default sound driver used in xubuntu is it alsa?
[04:44] <Unit193> Pulse.
[04:56] <linuxshine> is there anything that normalizes audio system wide?
[04:59] <Unit193> You can install pavaucontrol to set sound.
[05:58] <linuxshine> what is the default Volume Control in xubuntu I see no about buttons
[05:59] <hobgoblin> indicator-sound is probably what you are looking at
[06:00] <linuxshine> thanks
[06:08] <linuxshine> Is indicator-sound capable of handling ladspa plugins
[06:52] <ochosi> linuxshine: indicator-sound is (as the name suggests) only an indicator for your volume and sound
[06:53] <ochosi> linuxshine: the question you should be asking is: http://askubuntu.com/questions/43950/how-can-i-apply-a-ladspa-plugin-to-a-pulseaudio-stream
[06:55] <linuxshine> it was pavucontrol :) thanks
[06:56] <linuxshine> and thanks for that link ochosi
[06:57] <ochosi> np
[08:38] <qwentin> I need help with compiz, I do not have decoration and that kind of sucks because I would like to have a close minimize and fullscreen button, any help?
[08:44] <qwentin> oh mouse died, I'll ask again tomorrow after my batteries charge.
[08:59] <xubuntu081> I just installed Xubuntu 12.04 and I am running 2 monitors.  I can not figure out a way to get a window to move to the other monitor.
[09:03] <knome> xubuntu081, drag it
[09:03] <hobgoblin> I'd suspect you need to set it up as 'one' monitor
[09:03] <knome> xubuntu081, note that the layout might be not what the physical layout is; eg. the monitor physically on the left might be virtually on the right
[09:03] <knome> xubuntu081, (in that case you need to configure more, but dragging should work)
[09:09] <xubuntu081> I can't just drag the windows... my mouse cursor will change just fine, but when i drag a window with it the window gets stuck as if there were no other monitor
[09:10] <hobgoblin> xubuntu081: I 'think' you can set them up in Settings - Settings Manager - Display
[09:10] <hobgoblin> but I installed arandr and used that
[09:11] <xubuntu081> arandr will only show me one monitor as well
[09:11] <xubuntu081> and display settings will not open
[09:11] <xubuntu081> the only place i can actually make any changes is in nvidia
[09:12] <hobgoblin> ok - well make them there then - I did the same after I'd installed the nvidia driver
[09:13] <xubuntu081> i think i need the "twin view" setting working, but I can't get it to work
[09:13] <xubuntu081> everytime i save the change and reset x it goes back to the settings i have now
[09:15] <hobgoblin> is it saving the changes to xorg.conf?
[09:16] <xubuntu081> I tell it to
[09:16] <hobgoblin> you don't need to reset ... make the changes - save to X Conf file, then quit and reboot or logout
[09:16] <xubuntu081> k, i'll give that try, thanks
[09:20] <xubuntu599> hobgoblin - I got the nvidia to save the twin view.  It is not botting up my panels right now, is there a way to force that or do i need to reboot?
[09:25] <hobgoblin> xubuntu599: try Alt+F2 xfce4-panel
[09:26] <Jonne_> so this morning i booted xubuntu and found the wallpaper isn't rendering, compiz now uses whatever was on the screen before as a wallpaper (like when you finished a game of patience in windows)
[09:26] <Jonne_> anyone else had this issue yet?
[09:27] <xubuntu599> it tells me that the panel is running already
[09:29] <hobgoblin> xubuntu599: are your screens both the same resolution - mine aren't and I lost one with twin view - had to fiddle to get it back
[09:29] <hobgoblin> Jonne_: not using compiz
[09:30] <Jonne_> http://i.imgur.com/gZHPB.png
[09:30] <Jonne_> screenshot
[09:30] <xubuntu599> i just figured it out in panel settings, they were still set to a screen that no longer exists
[09:30] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:31] <xubuntu599> everything is working well now, thank you so much!
[09:31] <xubuntu599> windows are dragging and everything
[09:31] <hobgoblin> cool
[09:31] <xubuntu599> thanks again!
[09:32] <hobgoblin> welcome xubuntu599
[09:33] <Jonne_> guess i should ask this in #compiz
[09:34] <hobgoblin> I'd not know sorry - not used compiz for years
[09:34] <hobgoblin> I just know it's not default in xubuntu
[09:34] <Jonne_> yeah
[09:35] <Jonne_> but it worked fine last week
[09:35] <Jonne_> so i guess an update must've screwed something up
[09:35] <hobgoblin> I'd assume so
[09:36] <Jonne_> nothing related to xfce or compiz got updated
[09:36] <Jonne_> just some virtualbox stuff, apt stuff
[09:36] <Jonne_> nautilus
[09:37] <Jonne_> gir1.2
[09:37] <Jonne_> i'll try rebooting again
[09:37] <hobgoblin> so a bunch of stuff not in a default xubuntu got updated and don't work now
[09:38] <hobgoblin> oh - gone
[09:54] <Jonne_> don't have this issue with gnome fallback + compiz
[09:54] <Jonne_> although it still loads the xfce panels
[09:54]  * Jonne_ tries gnome3
[10:06] <Jonne_> seems like none of my desktops work properly now
[10:07] <Jonne_> gnome-fallback works but looks a bit weird
[10:07] <hobgoblin> that's not much fun :(
[10:11] <Jonne_> yeah, i guess you sort of have to pick one desktop and make sure to not install others
[10:11] <Jonne_> mixing always gets a bit weird
[10:11] <hobgoblin> to be honest I stopped doing that a long time ago - either real partitions or vbox here now when I want to look
[10:12] <Jonne_> well, the reason i'm on xubuntu is because gnome3 won't play nice with dual screen and my radeon drivers
[10:13] <Jonne_> at least xubuntu still wants to be a real desktop without trying to cater for touch
[10:13] <hobgoblin> :)
[10:13] <hobgoblin> no need for compiz here though ;)
[10:14] <Jonne_> yeah, might just turn off compiz
[10:15] <Jonne_> for some reason netbeans has huge fonts everywhere in gnome
[10:15] <Jonne_> can't work like that
[10:20] <Jonne_> edited xfce4-session.xml so it would load xfwm4 by default, and this magically fixed everything
[10:20] <Jonne_> i even still have compiz
[10:21] <Jonne_> and notifications are properly rendered again
[10:22] <Jonne_> so i guess compiz was running twice for some reason
[10:34] <DG_Firleigh> Is it possible to permanently mount MS Windows Shares in Xubuntu?
[10:34] <Jonne_> in /etc/fstab, yeah
[10:35] <DG_Firleigh> Are there any prerquisites? I presume I will at least need to have installed sambafs.
[10:35] <Jonne_> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/configure-a-system-to-automount-a-samba-share-with-etcfstab/ something like this
[10:35] <Jonne_> there are many guides, just google cifs and fstab
[10:36] <DG_Firleigh> I'll get on the case and give it a go. Thanks!
[10:36] <astraljava> Jonne_: Thanks for helping out! You started out great, but then regressed a bit. :) We try not to give 'google it' as a support answer. Direct links to instructions are better, OTOH.
[10:39] <DG_Firleigh> Looked at the link - looks straightforward but pride comes before a fall!
[11:02] <Jonne_> astraljava, it's just that i couldn't find the guide i used, so i gave him some keywords to use in case that one failed him
[11:03] <astraljava> Jonne_: I understand. Of course it's better than nothing. And anyway, you gave a direct link in the first place, so a job well done nonetheless. :)
[11:04] <Jonne_> i agree that "just google it" isn't a great answer, but sometimes the right keywords are what someone needs
[11:09] <astraljava> Yeah, but there's the chance of finding the not-so-great tutorials, resulting in even greater problems. :)
[11:09] <Jonne_> the problem with the one i linked is that the password is in /etc/fstab
[11:09] <Jonne_> the better guides use a seperate file to store the password
[11:10] <astraljava> Yeah ok.
[11:10] <Jonne_> i wish there was a better way of doing this in general, because if your smb server goes down, you'll get all sorts of weirdness and sometimes you can only recover from it by rebooting
[11:17] <Sysi> put mount to crontab with @reboot ?
[11:18] <Sysi> or maybe gvfs-command in user's autostart
[11:19] <Sysi> I don't know if those prevent problems, I can't get windows shares to work with two windows boxes
[11:38] <Tegal> Hi folks, complete Xubuntu newbie here, but looking forward to getting to grips with it.  I just bought a new mobo & CPU (Asus M5A78L-M LX V2, AMD Athlon II X3 460, 8GB RAM) and I've installed Xubuntu Desktop x64.  On the system I also have a DeLock IDE PCI card, but Xubuntu doesn't seem to be picking up drivers for this hardware.  Any suggestions what I can do?  The mobo only has SATA connections and I was hoping that the DeLock woul
[11:39] <Tegal> Apart from that Xubuntu seems to run very nicely
[11:40] <Sysi> Tegal: you can't see disks connected to that pci-card even with gparted?
[11:42] <Tegal> correct, i think i need drivers
[11:43] <Sysi> probably
[11:43] <Tegal> i was hoping that the IDE card would allow me to access DVD drives even in the BIOS, but no such luck.  had to create a bootable USB key with xubuntu and got the OS installed that way
[11:44] <Tegal> this is the hardware http://www.delock.de/produkte/G_70098/merkmale.html
[11:46] <Sysi> what's the name for that device in the output of "lspci"?
[11:47] <Tegal> hmm, unfortunately I
[11:47] <Tegal> I'm at work right now and not on the system
[11:48] <Tegal> was hoping for some general instructions I could try at home tonight
[11:50] <Tegal> but maybe I should log on from the machine this evening
[11:51] <Sysi> basic instruction is to google with "<device name> ubuntu" but I couldn't find any info
[11:52] <xubuntu004> Hi. I want to know if I can install xubuntu with a athlon xp 1700 +, and 256 MB memory PC133?
[11:53] <Sysi> xubuntu004: that RAM is quite little, if you want to use webbrowser or something
[11:53] <Sysi> if you wanna try, lubuntu would be better
[11:53] <xubuntu004> may it run with 256 MB Ram ?
[11:54] <Sysi> should run, can't say how well
[11:55] <xubuntu004> I´m using a lite XP and its toooooooooooooo slow.
[11:56] <xubuntu004> I´ll try it out
[12:00] <Tegal> thanks sysi, maybe I'll log on again tonight when i can access info on the system itself
[12:00] <Sysi> that would be better
[12:11] <Ayazen> good evening
[14:06] <SandJ> xubuntu004, I installed Xubuntu 11.04 on a 400MHz PC with 256 MB RAM.  Yes, it loaded, but I couldn't do anything useful with it.
[14:07] <SandJ> (Oops, NOW I spot their 'quit' notice)
[14:41] <qwentin> can I get help with compiz, I do not have decorations and Im pretty sure that I need that in order to have minimize fullscreen and close buttons on my windows, to can I somehow get these?
[14:42] <holstein> qwentin: check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/8270/how-do-i-install-compiz-in-xubuntu ...especially the "do you really want compiz in xubuntu" ;)
[16:28] <martinphone> HELP!! very urgent
[16:29] <martinphone> I need to take a screenshot of a whole webpage, but I cannot use the screenshot app because I need the whole page, not just the part I see in the screen
[16:29] <martinphone> if offtopic, please write an appropiate channel
[16:29] <oui> on windows, there's snagit :s
[16:30] <pleia2> martinphone: the "print screen" button takes a screenshot of the whole screen for me
[16:30] <martinphone> pleia2, is that a ff app?
[16:30] <pleia2> you can also try using gimp, which has more fine-tuned options (including delay)
[16:30] <oui> think he means +scroll
[16:30] <pleia2> martinphone: ff?
[16:31] <martinphone> firefox
[16:31] <pleia2> no, it's the screenshot app
[16:31] <hobgoblin> pleia2: I think he means the WHOLE page - not just what you can see
[16:31] <pleia2> oh
[16:31] <martinphone> yes, the whole thing
[16:31] <pleia2> no idea then
[16:32] <oui> :)
[16:32] <martinphone> screw it, deadline in 12 hours
[16:33] <oui> martinphone: what's the page, I'll do it from windows for you - since im so clueless on here
[16:34] <martinphone> oui, wait...
[16:34] <martinphone> http://hihihi100.wikispaces.com/Espa%C3%B1a+durante+el+franquismo+%281939-1975%29
[16:34] <oui> or if you have icq, msn we can also talk there (since im dual booting); or i'll come back
[16:35] <oui> just that page?
[16:35] <martinphone> just that page
[16:35] <pleia2> this is quite off-topic now ;) can you guys take this private or elsewhere?
[16:35] <oui> sorry, ok gimme 5 min
[16:35] <martinphone> i disabled prvt messages due to spam I believe
[16:36] <hobgoblin> then -offtopic :)
[16:36] <oui> martinphone: come to ##333 or #defocus let's say
[16:36] <oui> brb
[16:36] <martinphone> 333...
[16:36] <martinphone> im in 333
[16:37] <oui> ##333 double hash
[17:24] <martinphone> HELP AGAIN!! If I install Gnome web photo to use shutter, will i destabilize my xubuntu 12.04?
[17:24] <martinphone> appreciated
[17:26] <SDX> I can't imagine any software from the Precise repositories breaking anything in 12.04.
[17:26] <SDX> You should be fine if you install Shutter through the Software Center.
[17:27] <martinphone> noob question
[18:11] <xubuntu556> Does anybody know if there is a way to get my caculator keyboard shortcut to work in xubuntu?
[18:11] <GridCube> keytouch editor
[18:11] <GridCube> it should simply work btw
[18:12] <GridCube> or maybe not, in any case keytouch editor xubuntu556
[18:12] <xubuntu556> ok, yeah it doesn't work now, but i'm installing keytouch
[18:12] <xubuntu556> thanks!
[18:46] <jrmy> how should I go about learning about how to properly use any linux distro, more so to further my knowledge?
[18:47] <jrmy> learning commands to use with the console would be appealing firstly
[18:47] <jrmy> but I just have no idea how to teach myself anything useful
[18:48] <jrmy> I'm starting to wonder why I care to use linux anymore
[18:48] <Abhijit> hi. whats the keyboard shortcut to invoke the application menu?
[18:48] <Abhijit> like alt f1 in gnome?
[18:48] <jrmy> alt f2
[18:48] <Abhijit> no its not
[18:48] <Abhijit> it brings the run dialog
[18:49] <jrmy> ah, guess I don't know what you're talking about.. I'm a noob myself
[18:49] <jrmy> sorry
[19:25] <f3e> Good evening
[20:34] <Arpad2> hi
[20:36] <Arpad2> xubuntu doesn't see the cd in the odd, after ejecting it and putting it back
[20:38] <Daemonicc> How do I disable X from starting on boot? I want to boot to CLI. I have googled and googled and nothing works
[21:09] <SandJ> Daemonicc, you need to... oh.  (S)he's gone.
[23:54] <tsalagi1> Hey, I'm installing Xubuntu now. And I was trying to use a keyboard in another language
[23:54] <tsalagi1> But on the next area it asks for my info and it comes out in another language, and so won't accept the input


[08:32] <ochosi> micahg: yeah, the git-snapshot is stable, that's what i've been packaging/using/testing for my ppa over the last weeks and months
[13:49] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:57] <ochosi> micahg: the thing with what happened since 1.1.6 is that it's bugfix and ui-improvements
[15:58] <micahg> ochosi: right, is there a specific version I should pull until?
[15:59] <ochosi> micahg: no real features were added apart from soundmenu-support
[15:59] <ochosi> and soundmenu support is really important for natty
[15:59] <ochosi> it's almost a bugfix imo ;)
[16:00] <micahg> ochosi: the sound menu integration won't break Debian, right?
[16:00] <ochosi> micahg: no, it's a plugin
[16:00] <ochosi> micahg: do you want to build again for debian as well?
[16:00] <micahg> ochosi: yeah, I'd like to maintain this in Debian if we can
[16:00] <ochosi> hm okay
[16:01] <ochosi> micahg: well i thought that the easiest thing might be to just use my patched version for ubuntu
[16:01] <ochosi> because it's so easy (you can just pull it from my ppa)
[16:01] <ochosi> and then build 1.1.7 for debian when it's ready
[16:01] <ochosi> and supersede ubuntu's middle-version or something
[16:01] <charlie-tca> still getting that icon error from the ppa
[16:02] <ochosi> charlie-tca: did you try to reinstall or reload the sources?
[16:02] <ochosi> charlie-tca: and hi btw :)
[16:02] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:02] <ochosi> very strange, i can't reproduce that problem (yet)
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I reload sources couple times a day
[16:02] <ochosi> usually the buildbot would complain with an issue like this
[16:03] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i'll take an in-depth look at your issue today
[16:03] <ochosi> charlie-tca: could you please repost the whole output?
[16:03] <charlie-tca> please do. I would not want to pull from a ppa for the users to use it, just to have them getting errors
[16:03] <ochosi> sure
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Processing triggers for menu ...
[16:04] <charlie-tca> In file "/usr/share/menu/gmusicbrowser", at (or in the definition that ends at) line 7:
[16:04] <charlie-tca> icon="gmusicbrowser.png"
[16:04] <charlie-tca>                        ^
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Unexpected end of line.
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Skipping file because of errors...
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Is that the .desktop file or a different menu file?
[16:05] <ochosi> guess that's the desktop-file, i'll quickly see whether changing that fixes the issue
[16:11] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i'm uploading the supposed fix now to a different ppa, i'll send you a link for testing as soon as it's built
[16:11] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:16] <mr_pouit>  "/usr/share/menu/gmusicbrowser"
[16:16] <mr_pouit> that's not a desktop file
[16:16] <mr_pouit> that's a debian menu file
[16:16] <mr_pouit> (\o)
[16:24] <ochosi> mr_pouit: heyo
[16:24] <ochosi> mr_pouit: yeah, it's in debian/gmusicbrowser.menu
[16:24] <ochosi> but i still don't quite get the error
[16:25] <mr_pouit> ochosi: there's an empty line, try to remove it
[16:25] <mr_pouit> or either add a \ at the end
[16:29] <ochosi> yep that's what i did and hoped that it'd fix the issue
[16:29] <ochosi> strange thing is that in maverick there's no problem
[16:34] <charlie-tca> heh, I test because I have the ability to make things break good
[16:44] <ochosi> charlie-tca: https://launchpad.net/~simon-steinbeiss/+archive/gmb-git
[16:44] <charlie-tca> put it where?
[16:45] <ochosi> add that ppa instead of the shimmer-ppa
[16:45] <ochosi> and then update the package
[16:45] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:47] <ochosi> charlie-tca: and then let me know whether it works :)
[16:54] <charlie-tca> installing
[16:54] <charlie-tca> same error
[16:55] <charlie-tca> now got gmusicbrowser (1.1.6ppa12)
[16:56] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I show a space in the file after line 5
[16:56] <charlie-tca> command="/usr/bin/gmusicbrowser" \
[16:56] <charlie-tca> and then a blank line
[16:57] <charlie-tca> then the icon= line
[17:00] <charlie-tca> should I delete the file and then install again?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> ochosi: should I do a remove and reinstall, maybe? Could that be a leftover from the earlier file?
[17:06] <ochosi> charlie-tca: hm, you can try to purge and re-install, not sure it'll make a diff though...
[17:06] <ochosi> i'll try to install that version in natty myself now
[17:13] <charlie-tca> purged and reinstalled; made sure /usr/share/menu/gmusicbrowser went away
[17:13] <charlie-tca> reinstalled but still show a blank line 6 in the file
[17:16] <ochosi> and the install-error persisted?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> I don't know yet, I am running updates again now
[17:16] <ochosi> ah ok
[17:17] <ochosi> right, line 6 is empty :(
[17:18] <ochosi> sry, i'll quickly fix that
[17:18] <charlie-tca> removing the empty line fixes it here
[17:18] <ochosi> yeah, i don't know how that ended up there
[17:18] <ochosi> there was a day when commits crossed each other with another contributor, so maybe it wasn't even me, who knows
[17:19] <ochosi> anyhow, i'll fix this now and build new packages for the shimmer-ppa as well
[17:19] <charlie-tca> could be, but at least we got it now
[17:19] <ochosi> thanks charlie-tca, good catch
[17:20] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:11] <ochosi> micahg: i'm talking to the gmusicbrowser dev again atm and he said: "in case 1.1.7 is not released in time for xubuntu, yes the best thing is to take the current git, it's the  most stable version
[18:11] <ochosi> cherry-picking commits at this point would be stupid, it would result in an largely untested new version"
[18:36] <ochosi> micahg_: hmm, you're connection seems to have dropped before, did you get what i sent you?
[18:36] <ochosi> or: read what i said
[18:39] <cody-somerville> ochosi, there are some risks/cons to taking git snapshot too; is there anything that can be done to help gmusicbrowser get the release out in time?
[18:41] <ochosi> cody-somerville: i'm doing pretty much all i can to help the release. what risks/cons are there wrt using a git-snapshot?
[18:44] <cody-somerville> ochosi, besides the technical things like might not get the normal QAing upstream would do for a release and that we'd have to create the snapshot and put it into tarball (there might be complicated/undocumented release procedures or something), appearing like version 1.1.7 but not actually being 1.1.7 can be confusing - especially for someone say for example in the gmusicbrowser IRC channel trying to provide support to someo
[18:44] <cody-somerville> ne using the git snapshot shipped with Xubuntu, lol.
[18:45] <ochosi> cody-somerville: well, as the dev said himself (there's only one) this is in fact the most tested version, since 1.1.6 it's been bugfix only, also: he knows that we'd do that so he can still give support
[18:46] <ochosi> cody-somerville: in fact i'm hanging out there too (#gmusicbrowser) giving support, so i think that side should be ok
[18:46] <ochosi> cody-somerville: also: it shouldn't appear as 1.1.7 but as 1.1.6git$date (or whatever)
[18:46] <cody-somerville> ochosi, we've shipped unreleased code for xfce4 before and upstream xfce4 was not happy about it - users would report bugs already fixed or ask for help in #xfce for things already fixed or things that were later changed.
[18:46]  * cody-somerville nods.
[18:47] <ochosi> yeah, sure, it *can* be annyoing for upstream, but in this case he's completely with us
[18:47] <ochosi> and i told him before that if gmb would be the default player in xubuntu people might start rants in his chan, so i guess he's in the picture ;)
[18:47]  * cody-somerville grins.
[18:48] <ochosi> btw, i've been maintaining a fork of that player myself for at least a year now, it's really rock-solid
[18:48] <ochosi> quentin (the dev) has a debian mentality wrt release-policy
[18:49] <ochosi> and since ubuntu is based on debian's "unstable" i guess we can use gmusicbrowser "unstable"
[18:49] <ochosi> (hopefully including a few of the UI improvements i made over the years)
[18:50] <ochosi> cody-somerville: guess that was all a bit verbose now, but i really thought a lot about all this beforehands ;)
[18:51] <cody-somerville> ochosi, much appreciated then :)
[18:53] <ochosi> cody-somerville: alrighty :)
[18:54] <mr_pouit> When unreleased xfce code was shipped in xubuntu, upstream wasn't asked nor notified
[18:54] <mr_pouit> so that's a bit different here
[18:55] <cody-somerville> Absolutely.
[18:55] <micahg> ochosi, we aim to provide stable versions (unstable just means less testing)
[18:56] <micahg> ochosi, so, I should pull the latest git snapshot or do you have a specific revision that I should pull up to
[18:56] <micahg> mr_pouit, are you ok with me uploading a snapshot straight to Ubuntu?
[18:57]  * micahg doesn't think Debian multimedia will go for it
[18:57]  * micahg will ask them first though
[18:59] <mr_pouit> micahg: yep, no problem
[19:02] <charlie-tca> We need a pretty solid release this cycle. I hear a lot of unhappiness with unity, and just as much about gnome3
[19:04]  * micahg just replaced pidgin with Empathy(AIM+xmpp) and Xchat (IRC) due to freenode failing with E_TOOMANYCHANNELS, even with 2 apps now, I have a smaller memory footprint
[19:05]  * micahg wishes pidgin could be fixed
[19:05] <charlie-tca> isn't empathy a pidgin fork?
[19:06] <micahg> well, they're using the telepathy libs from fd.o
[19:06]  * micahg just needs gwibber now for identi,ca and then it'll be all right :)
[19:07] <micahg> empathy sucks for most stuff, for those services I just need to be logged in case someone pings me
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I use the browser for identi.ca
[19:13] <ochosi> sry, was afk
[19:14] <ochosi> micahg: i don't think it's worth it to package the git-version for debian, debian can wait for 1.1.7
[19:14] <ochosi> micahg: we can always supersede the snapshot that we'll get for ubuntu now with 1.1.7
[19:14] <micahg> ochosi, when do you estimate 1.1.7 happening?
[19:15]  * micahg joins gmusicbrowser
[19:15] <ochosi> micahg: i talked to squentin (quentin sculo) a couple of times lately, he's not sure... :/ that's why i talked about the git-snapshot today
[19:15] <ochosi> micahg: so that we at least have *something* for xubuntu
[19:16] <ochosi> micahg: a more stable version than 1.1.6 at least
[19:16] <micahg> ochosi, if we're talking 2 weeks, then I agree with you, if it's 2 months, I'd rather have a broader testing base and include Debian
[19:16]  * charlie-tca likes things that work for the final release :-)
[19:17] <ochosi> micahg: he was considering releasing it last week, so it's around the corner
[19:17] <ochosi> micahg: but each day makes it a bit more difficult to get the ack from ubuntu as mr_pouit told me, so i guess i was getting nervous
[19:18] <micahg> ochosi, well, depending on what's changed, we might not need an ACK, I'll have to look through the changelog later tonight
[19:18] <ochosi> micahg: ok :) as i said, it's only bugfix and ui-fixes/improvements (apart from the mpris2 plugin)
[19:19] <micahg> yeah, mpris2 will need an ACK if it's new, you can file the request if you like, once we get the ACK, I'll package it
[19:20] <ochosi> it's part of the core as a plugin, so it would make things easier for you to get the ack first
[19:20] <ochosi> hm, never filed a request for ack before, how does it work?
[19:20] <micahg> ochosi, so, file a bug against gmusicbrowser requesting an update, explain why the snapshot is stable and what the new features are that need to be ACKd, I'm already subscribed to gmusicbrowsr bugs, then subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug
[19:21] <micahg> ochosi, inlcude the piece of the upstream changelog if it exists as well that's newer and a link to the upstream repo
[19:21] <ochosi> i'm not part of the bugsquad, so i can't assign bugs to anyone
[19:21] <micahg> ochosi, I didn't say assign :)
[19:21] <ochosi> oh, ok :)
[19:21] <ochosi> micahg: so i can subscribe other people but not assign then :)
[19:21] <micahg> ochosi, right
[19:21] <ochosi> i assumed i could either do both or neither
[19:22] <ochosi> and a separate request for mpris?
[19:22] <ochosi> or can that go in the same bugreport?
[19:22] <mr_pouit> mpris2.pm is already in 1.1.6 afaik
[19:22] <ochosi> ah ok, wasn't sure anymore
[19:22] <ochosi> then this makes things a lot easier
[19:22] <micahg> oh, hmm, I remember ochosi saying 1.1.6 didn't have it
[19:23] <micahg> ochosi, one request, mention all the new features
[19:23] <ochosi> let me check again
[19:23] <micahg> or rather my 1.1.6 doesn't ;)
[19:24] <micahg> I think I said it after I checked the current verion
[19:24] <micahg> version
[19:24] <ochosi> no, 1.1.6 doesn't have it
[19:24] <ochosi> mpris2 was released 24th of feb while 1.1.6 is from last year
[19:24] <micahg> mr_pouit, BTW, I still had the gmusicbrowser launcher even if I removed gmusicbrowser from the system
[19:25] <ochosi> micahg: you mean in the panel or in the soundmenu?
[19:26] <micahg> ochosi, panel
[19:26] <mr_pouit> ah, indeed, I've download the plugin manually
[19:26] <mr_pouit> micahg: yep, because the panel does a copy of the desktop file and put it in ~/.config/xfcfe4/panel/launcher-XXXX
[19:26] <mr_pouit> *xfce4
[19:31] <ochosi> micahg: ok, i'll do the request later tonight after i talked with squentin again
[19:33] <ochosi> k, bbl
[22:26] <ochosi> charlie-tca: the shimmer-ppa is updated and hopefully that version works now as expected
[22:26] <ochosi> charlie-tca: if you could give it a try that would be great
[22:27] <charlie-tca> okay
[22:27] <ochosi> it has the same version number as the one from the other ppa i gave you today
[22:27] <ochosi> so you might have to remove it before you re-install it
[22:31] <charlie-tca> installing
[22:33] <charlie-tca> ochosi: fixed! Yay!
[22:34] <ochosi> charlie-tca: :)
[22:34] <ochosi> yes, that's what i needed to hear tonight
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:34] <ochosi> micahg: you might have read it in #gmusicbrowser today anyway, but squentin said he'll release 1.1.7 tomorrow night
[22:34] <ochosi> it's all good news today it seems
[23:28] <micahg> ochosi, great, but you might as well file the paperwork anyways :)
[23:28] <ochosi> micahg: yes, but i only want to do it once :)
[23:29] <ochosi> micahg: or do you think i should file it even though 1.1.7 hasn't been released yet?
[23:30] <micahg> well, maybe we should wait so I can just request the sync with the FFe
[23:30] <ochosi> FFe?
[23:31] <ochosi> micahg: one more thing: i really need to apply a few UI-only patches to gmusicbrowser for xubuntu, can you help me with that?
[23:34] <micahg> ochosi, Feature freeze exception
[23:34] <micahg> ochosi, why can't they be merged upstream?
[23:39] <ochosi> micahg: too little time
[23:39] <ochosi> micahg: *most* of my changes are upstream now, but the review process really takes some time
[23:40] <ochosi> micahg: it's mostly not about whether it works or is a clean implementation but about what layouts to include etc.
[23:40] <micahg> ochosi, are they Ubuntu specific?
[23:40] <ochosi> micahg: what do you mean?
[23:41] <ochosi> micahg: the UI changes would affect every distro using that version
[23:41] <micahg> ochosi, could they go in Debian and are they submittted in a bugtracker upstream?
[23:41] <ochosi> micahg: there is no bugtracker upstream
[23:41] <ochosi> micahg: they could go in debian, but i would want to discuss that first with upstream
[23:42] <ochosi> micahg: and that would bring us back to square1 about the inclusion of my patches upstream
[23:42] <micahg> heh
[23:43] <ochosi> would you mind me showing you the difference between the non-patched version and the patched version?
[23:43] <ochosi> maybe you can then understand what this is about
[23:43] <micahg> ochosi, no, but I'm about to run out again
[23:43] <ochosi> ok, just one sec
[23:43] <ochosi> micahg: approx current default layout in gmb: http://gmusicbrowser.org/screenshots/QueueLibraryContext.png
[23:44] <ochosi> micahg: my layout: http://imagebin.org/143448
[23:45] <ochosi> feel free also to compare the icons and other stuff
[23:46] <micahg> I'm confused, the first one is what 1.1.7 will look like?
[23:46] <ochosi> no, well...
[23:47] <ochosi> UI-wise gmusicbrowser hasn't changed much since ages
[23:47] <ochosi> at least not the default
[23:47] <ochosi> that's why it has never been adopted by any distro as default player
[23:47] <ochosi> that's why i worked so hard in my fork to improve the UI, because the underlying functions and framework are unique
[23:48] <ochosi> i did a few layouts, the "desktop"-version you see in the screener, a netbook-layout, a party-mode and a traytip (in case someone uses the trayicon in natty)
[23:49] <ochosi> micahg: have you ever tried gmusicbrowser
[23:49] <ochosi> ?
[23:49] <micahg> I launched it to make sure it runs before committed to the VCS for Debian
[23:49] <ochosi> :)
[23:49] <ochosi> ok, please give the original 1.1.6 version a quick spin and then try the version from my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa
[23:50] <ochosi> the changes are trivial on the code-level but the looks and usability are a lot better (imho)
[23:51] <ochosi> when deciding about gmb becoming the default player using the layout of the fork was an essential point
[23:54] <ochosi> micahg: ok, g2g now, good night and talk to you in friday (will be off tomorrow the whole day)
[23:54] <ochosi> micahg: let's keep our fingers crossed that everything will work out in time...
[23:55] <micahg> ochosi, ok, we can get this sorted out over the weekend if you're available
[23:57] <ochosi> micahg: hopefully, i have a few friends visiting, so we'll see
[23:57] <micahg> ok, monday's fine, beta freeze is next thursday, so we need to get it in before then


[02:00] <bkerensa> nathwill: I'm going to have to be out here tomorrow to meet my landlord because he needs to check a hole in the wall of our kitchen that I found behind fridge and look at some other things.... I'm going to try and reschedule tomorrows thing with blkperl
[02:01] <c_smith> bkerensa, did you get my Email?
[02:01] <bkerensa> c_smith: sorry no I have not had a chance I have been busy with other things and will respond when I can
[02:01] <c_smith> ok, do it at your convenience.
[02:02] <c_smith> also waiting on JVLB to see the same Email.
[02:02] <c_smith> hmmm. a hole in the wall behind your fridge? that doesn't sound good.
[02:03] <c_smith> and why does that remind me of a Pink Floyd song?
[02:04]  * c_smith goes back to customizing Kubuntu
[02:12] <bkerensa> c_smith: just responded to you both with the info
[02:14] <c_smith> bkerensa, thanks, I just saw it in the midst of setting up Cairo Dock.
[02:16] <c_smith> bkerensa, are we good to go to use the Linbit logo?
[02:16] <c_smith> *Linbit font
[02:18] <bkerensa> c_smith: Yes for the purpose of the sponsorship of course
[02:18] <bkerensa> and per my reply just now.... We do not need to seek any permission to use any of the Ubuntu Logo or Wordmark
[02:18] <c_smith> cool
[02:19] <bkerensa> this should never be a problem or need consent if you are using it to advocate
[02:19] <c_smith> yeah. cool
[02:20] <bkerensa> Permitted use
[02:20] <bkerensa> Certain usages of the Trademarks are fine and no specific permission from us is needed.
[02:20] <bkerensa> Community advocacy. Ubuntu is built by, and largely for, its community. We share access to the Trademarks with the entire community for the purposes of discussion, development and advocacy. We recognise that most of the open source discussion and development areas are for non-commercial purposes and will allow the use of the trademarks in this context, provided:
[02:20] <Guest16781> bkerensa, ping!
[02:21] <bkerensa> hello albrigha
[02:21] <c_smith> bkerensa, I'm looking at sizes of the banners, there's 3 sizes.
[02:22] <c_smith> 24"x48", 26"x72", and 26"x120"
[02:22] <c_smith> which is the size you are aiming for?
[02:24] <bkerensa> c_smith: 24x48
[02:24] <c_smith> kk
[02:25] <c_smith> hmmmm, they have an online editor.
[02:26] <c_smith> bkerensa, also, one last question: do you want all 3 logos in there?
[02:26] <bkerensa> c_smith: just the Ubuntu Oregon one
[02:27] <c_smith> ok, I'll end up having to use the online editor, as there seems to be no way to upload an ready made banner image made with Gimp.
[02:27] <c_smith> or should I start looking at other sites?
[02:30] <bkerensa> why dont you check for other sites
[02:30] <bkerensa> and see if there are some ones that allow upload and are not to expensive
[02:36] <c_smith> ok
[02:40] <c_smith> bkerensa, I've already found one for a few buck cheaper, now to find out if they have guidelines and allow uploading of images, or only have an online editor.
[02:42] <c_smith> bkerensa, they do allow it, it's Officemax, and they charge $29.99, $3 cheaper.
[02:48] <c_smith> ok, well, I have an idea of how the have it set up, we make the image, and upload it to the editor as an image.
[02:50] <c_smith> ofc, the Ubuntu Oregon logo is going to be distorted...... might have to make one from scratch.
[02:52] <bkerensa> c_smith: yeah if you want to make one from scratch that is great the old one need improvement
[02:52] <c_smith> cool.
[02:53] <c_smith> nothing to start with for the Ubuntu Logo......
[02:57] <bkerensa> c_smith: we also now have a few branches which you can push any ideas or final work to
[02:57] <bkerensa> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-or
[02:57] <bkerensa> c_smith: What do you mean nothing to start with?
[02:58] <c_smith> 0_0 didn't know about that.
[02:59] <bkerensa> c_smith: I just made it.... It will be helpful in keeping track of all our stuffs
[03:02] <c_smith> lol, nice. I was saying an Ubuntu logo to start with, I'm good at image manipulation, not actual creation. :(
[03:03] <bkerensa> c_smith: ask JVLB for help and if you guys cant get it I can try and find some time this weekend :P
[03:03] <c_smith> cool
[03:55] <bkerensa> slangasek: What is a good time threshold for a non-responded bug in BTS before one might consider a NMU?
[04:11] <bkerensa> c_smith: if you want you could blog about your global jam experience on your personal blog?
[04:11] <bkerensa> it might be good and I can have it in our team report
[04:55] <blkperl> adam_g: so can i schedule you for friday @ 4pm next week for an openstack talk (30mins - 1hr)? :)
[17:11] <slangasek> bkerensa: hmm, the Debian developers-reference has the guidelines for recommended NMU wait times
[17:30] <adam_g> blkperl: fri the 16th @ 4pm? that should work
[18:10] <blkperl> adam_g: yes
[18:12] <blkperl> adam_g: although im asking if next week is a good idea since its "deadweek"
[18:12] <blkperl> it might be better to schedule this for the first week of next term
[18:28] <adam_g> blkperl: yeah, thats cool. when would that be? ill be out of town for a week in april and again in may
[18:29] <blkperl> adam_g: April 6th?
[18:34] <adam_g> blkperl: ill be here, sounds good
[18:34] <blkperl> adam_g: alright i just need to check to see if the room is availible
[19:21] <bkerensa> Good Morning of Sorts
[19:21] <bkerensa> :D
[19:40] <blkperl> bkerensa: status of today?
[19:41] <bkerensa> blkperl: I'm stuck here :( waiting on landlord and his maintenance guy to come look at this hole in my kitchen
[19:41] <bkerensa> blkperl: nathwill should be back on in a few I did ping him yesterday so I hope to see if he can swing in and cover for me
[20:24] <nathwill> hey what're you folks using as a calendar application on Precise? doesn't seem like there's anything with good integration besides evolution
[20:40] <blkperl> nathwill: are you coming at 4pm?
[20:40] <blkperl> bkerensa can't make it
[20:51] <bkerensa> nathwill: not sure if you just got my pm since my system crashed
[20:51] <bkerensa> :(
[21:22] <bdmurray> bkerensa: ubuntu-meta is a virutal package has no binaries so bug 947247 shouldn't have been opened
[21:23] <bkerensa> bdmurray: ok
[21:51] <bkerensa> blkperl: Looks like nathwill has become unavailable too.... We will make it up to you
[21:52] <blkperl> bkerensa: ok
[22:00] <nathwill> blkperl: i'm really sorry. when i told bkerensa last week that i was able to come today, i had forgotten that my work schedule had changed
[22:00] <nathwill> if you're interested, i'm off at 6 and we can do an impromptu Ubuntu Hour at BackSpace at 730 tonite
[22:01] <nathwill> or on campus if it's preferable and there's a space
[22:16] <blkperl> nathwill: no worries, im busy from 6 -10
[22:16] <blkperl> so at some future point is good
[22:17] <nathwill> ok. sorry tonite didn't work out, let us know when a good time would be.
[22:22] <blkperl> k
[22:29] <bkerensa> nathwill: Im not taking a plane to UDS
[22:29] <bkerensa> :D
[22:30] <bkerensa> their travel agency is putting me on a train at my request
[22:34] <tgm4883> bkerensa, have you taken the train before?
[22:35] <tgm4883> It's much longer, but you get to move from car to car which is nice
[22:35] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I have not taken it quite the distance of Portland to Oakland but I have taking the Amtrak from SF to Davis and also the Caltain from SF to Silicon Valley all the time
[22:35] <bkerensa> :)
[22:36] <bkerensa> I dont mind the extra hours so long as I dont run into the issue we discussed :)
[22:36] <tgm4883> I took it from Klamath Falls to LA during christmas one year, it was a pretty long ride
[22:36] <bkerensa> plus they have a food car
[22:36] <bkerensa> and booze car?
[22:36] <bkerensa> :D
[22:36] <tgm4883> yea, riding the train is pretty fun
[22:36] <bkerensa> tgm4883: yeah the agency indicated I would leave at night and be in Oakland by morning so I could sleep
[22:37] <tgm4883> nice
[22:37] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I took Greyhound from Portland to Sacramento last year and it was epic horrible but I have dealt with worse
[22:37] <bkerensa> :D
[22:37] <bkerensa> I once took Greyhound from Iowa to Sacramento
[22:37] <bkerensa> :D
[22:37] <tgm4883> yea on my trip down to LA i switched from train to bus back to train
[22:37] <tgm4883> that wasn't fun
[22:37] <tgm4883> busses are no fun :(
[22:38] <bkerensa> that is perhaps the worst because you do not have any opportunity to shower for like 2 days
[22:38] <bkerensa> :(
[22:38] <tgm4883> it was about a 24 hour total trip down
[22:38] <bkerensa> yeah thats not so bad but cross country sucks
[22:39] <bkerensa> tgm4883: And plus apparently due to the lower cost of train versus plain... The agency can get me uhh a cabin bed or something
[22:39] <bkerensa> :D
[22:39] <bkerensa> plane*
[22:39] <tgm4883> sweet
[22:40] <nathwill> trains are fantastic
[22:40] <nathwill> :)
[22:41] <nathwill> but greyhound is the pits
[22:41] <bkerensa> nathwill: So long as they have a booze car and wifi
[22:41] <bkerensa> :D
[22:41] <nathwill> haha
[22:57] <bkerensa> tgm4883: what was lodging like for Orlando? I hear they twin the rooms? so was it a two room kind of deal or two beds in one room
[22:57] <bkerensa> ?
[22:57] <tgm4883> two queens in 1 room
[22:58] <tgm4883> i'd imagine a similar setup in oakland
[23:01] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Cool stuff :)
[23:02] <bkerensa> tgm4883: who did you bunk with?
[23:02] <bkerensa> :D
[23:23] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I was paired with Scott Richie, the Wine guy
[23:24] <bkerensa> oh cool
[23:24] <bkerensa> :D
[23:24] <bkerensa> tgm4883: They gave me the option I guess of requesting a pair with someone so perhaps I might choose someone
[23:24] <bkerensa> "D
[23:25] <tgm4883> yea they give you that option. Not sure if both sides have to do it or not. I just opted to have them pair me with someone
[23:35] <bkerensa> Hi Budget
[23:37] <Budget> Hello


[02:59] <codeman> I installed lubuntu 20.04, but it doesn't seem to source my ~/.profile file which used to get sourced automatically in 18.04. Does LXQT not source ~/.profile? I should right?
[03:07] <codeman> is anyone active?
[03:07] <guiverc> codeman, check if you have a ~/.bash_profile?, ~/.bash_login? (as if you do, then ~/.profile is ignored unless started by one of those; eg. .bash_profile may run it) for any system as they have higher priority for interactive
[03:08] <guiverc> LXQt makes no changes to the execution of those
[03:10] <codeman> @guiverc i don't have ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login . I use zsh and it also doesn't have any similar _profile or _login files.
[03:14] <guiverc> i have limited experience with zsh sorry; the change you mean is related to release (ie. same occurs with ubuntu, xubuntu etc) and unrelated to lxqt/lubuntu I believe
[03:21] <codeman> guiverc that is strange. LXQt should be sourcing the ~/.profile regardless IMHO. LXDE seemed to have no problems with this.
[03:26] <guiverc> i get the same repsonse with lxterminal as qterminal on my system
[03:30] <guiverc> identical response on konsole running on kubuntu 20.04 (ie. KDE)
[03:35] <guiverc> fyi: i recall the change hitting my box long ago (many cycles back; I'm on development; impish currently), but I forget why (what package changed caused it) as was busy on other things & didn't explore further & don't remember why the change
[03:43] <codeman> I found https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/448 It seems the issue is with sddm. It doesn't source .profile
[03:43] <codeman> thanks ubottu i was reading the same
[03:44] <codeman> oh ubottu is a bot i guess. :D
[03:44] <guiverc> good find; kubuntu uses sddm; and I use `sddm` on my ubuntu, xubuntu too as I've grown to like it.. it may have influenced by ubuntu/xubuntu answer
[03:50] <codeman> guiverc `.xsessionrc` seems to work... thanks for your help.
[03:50] <guiverc> you're most welcome, but very glad you worked out a solution, well done!
[03:51] <codeman> I mean `~/.xsessionrc` works instead of `~/.profile` for sddm in lubuntu 20.04.02
[03:53] <guiverc> understood that, but thanks :)
 ⭕ نقص بزرگ در قابلیت جدید و جذاب واتس‌اپ🔸واتس‌اپ به تازگی ویژگی جدیدی به نام "View Once" را معرفی کرده که به کاربران اجازه می‌دهد تصاویر و ویدئوهایی را در چت ارسال می‌کنند فقط یک بار قابل مشاهده باشد و پس از آن ناپدید شوند و قابل ارسال، ذخیره
[09:17] <TJ-> can I still find a link to the original lubuntu-desktop_amd64.iso? Can't find it via cdimage, qa test tracker. Need it to try to reproduce environment for an issue I'm working on
[09:19] <apt-ghetto> What do you mean with "original" iso?
[09:22] <TJ-> the version published in april 2018
[09:23] <Mekaneck> since it's EOL maybe it's on old release
[09:24] <apt-ghetto> Strange: All the releases are pointing to the newest point release on https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/
[09:24] <TJ-> of course! duh
[09:25] <apt-ghetto> I would say it is an error or an "security feature"
[09:25] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: yeah, that is why I asked. Links to the orginal from QA tracker are 404 now
[09:27] <apt-ghetto> There is also http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/lubuntu/releases/ but 18.04 is not there
[09:27] <TJ-> nope, only 19.04
[09:29] <Mekaneck> TJ-:  https://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=446fd69f5a0979b09de48dfe161270667292b9e4
[09:31] <TJ-> Mekaneck: broken site; publishes an IPv6 link-local address in DNS!!
[09:31] <apt-ghetto> https://soft.lafibre.info/
[09:32] <Mekaneck> TJ-: so you can't download the torrent?
[09:33] <Mekaneck> weird the sit shows you it's broken but works on my end
[09:33] <Mekaneck> sit/site
[09:34] <Mekaneck> https://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=446fd69f5a0979b09de48dfe161270667292b9e4&f=lubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.torrent&key=6c2d037a
[09:34] <Mekaneck> maybe that works for you
[09:34] <Mekaneck> if not then you're out of luck
[09:36] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: thanks, the lafibre link works
[09:39] <TJ-> Mekaneck: this is the brokenness: "echo  $(dig +short -t AAAA linuxtracker.org)" => "fe80::4261:86ff:febe:8586"
[09:49] <Mekaneck> TJ-: too technical for me
[17:10] <adminPorty78> Sup everyone
[17:10] <adminPorty78> ?


[02:16] <cyberanger> aedend: the ubuntulog logs are nearly real time, yes
[02:29] <Unit193> cyberanger: One hour lag, actually.
[02:52] <cyberanger> Any chance it posts on the hour or something, I've seen it better than that
[02:53] <Unit193> Pretty sure it's on the dot, yeah.
[02:53] <cyberanger> Ah, that'd do it
[02:54] <cyberanger> so not really on the hour, just hourly, at the top of the hour
[02:54]  * cyberanger guesses bot records, sends a cronjob'd rsync to the webserver as an extra precaution that the bot doesn't get taken down
[02:55] <Unit193> Standard irssi.
[02:56] <cyberanger> ok, used bot a litte loosely I guess, but the main part holds
[13:11] <aedend> I know rsync is used to sync files etc. can I use it to copy a file to my server from my home computer so that any changes made to the file will update in both locations?


[12:36] <cjwatson> Hm, the oops linked from https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1429358 isn't making sense to me; that stuff *is* preloaded.  I wonder if we're running up against the Storm cache size?
[12:36] <mup> Bug #1429358: Bugs with large numbers of linked branches time out <bug-branch-links> <oops> <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1429358>
[12:57] <wgrant> cjwatson: That's not implausible. And even if we weren't we'd hit serious CPU time rendering all those branches.
[12:58] <wgrant> cjwatson: btw, that's possibly a dupe of bug #724025
[12:58] <mup> Bug #724025: BugTask:+index timeout due to high cpu time rendering many bug tasks in bug 230350 <qa-ok> <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/724025>
[12:58] <wgrant> May be worth closing 724025 in favour of it.
[12:59] <wgrant> cjwatson: I think all we can reasonably do it truncate the list of branches.
[13:00] <wgrant> It's not as if a page that listed 700 branches would be particularly usable anyway.
[13:09] <cjwatson> is it in fact that many?
[13:09] <cjwatson> launchpad_dogfood=# select count(*) from bugbranch where bug=230350;
[13:09] <cjwatson>  count
[13:09] <cjwatson> -------
[13:09] <cjwatson>     84
[13:09] <cjwatson> (1 row)
[13:10] <wgrant> Oh, now that's a bit odd...
[13:10] <wgrant> cjwatson: Can you test with a larger cache size on DF?
[13:11] <wgrant> Ah ahhahahahujfewuifweuohjiwfeuihjo
[13:11] <wgrant> cjwatson: It's the stacking security checker.
[13:12] <wgrant> With the pathological stacking behaviour of branch-distro.py, which creates a chain a dozen branches long for these.
[13:12] <wgrant> cjwatson: Feel like writing a recursive CTE?
[13:18] <cjwatson> Yeah, bumping the storm cache size to 100000 on DF doesn't appear to change the query count.
[13:19] <cjwatson> Possibly I should finish my ref scanner first :-)
[13:19] <wgrant> The tracebacks confirm my diagnosis:
[13:19] <wgrant>   File "/srv/launchpad.net/production/launchpad-rev-17374/lib/lp/code/model/branch.py", line 1408, in visibleByUser
[13:19] <wgrant>     user, checked_branches)
[13:19] <wgrant>   File "/srv/launchpad.net/production/launchpad-rev-17374/lib/lp/code/model/branch.py", line 1408, in visibleByUser
[13:19] <wgrant>     user, checked_branches)
[13:19] <cjwatson> I've been experimenting with a rhythm of misc maintenance in the morning, git development in the afternoon
[13:19] <wgrant>   File "/srv/launchpad.net/production/launchpad-rev-17374/lib/lp/code/model/branch.py", line 1408, in visibleByUser
[13:19] <wgrant>     user, checked_branches)
[13:19] <wgrant> etc
[13:20] <wgrant> Oh yeah, it's your afternoon. I should probably sleep.
[13:20] <cjwatson> But don't want to get distracted by inflating morning tasks
[13:20] <wgrant> Indeed.
[13:21] <cjwatson> See you at the meeting then.  I should be on time - we had to cancel our guest-for-dinner due to Kirsten being ill
[13:21] <wgrant> Ugh, that's unfortunate. See you then.
[13:23] <wgrant> cjwatson: btw, https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/sca-api/+merge/252420 fixes one of the OLS issues, if you could look at that today.
[21:09] <blr> cjwatson: when running the tests, hosting_path appears to be an integer?
[21:10] <blr> feel like I'm missing something fundamental that may require more coffee.
[21:14] <cjwatson> blr: It's a stringified integer
[21:14] <cjwatson> We'll need something more sophisticated at some point, this was a "make it work" measure, we just stringify the id to get the hosting path
[21:14] <cjwatson>     def getInternalPath(self):
[21:14] <cjwatson>         """See `IGitRepository`."""
[21:14] <cjwatson>         # This may need to change later to improve support for sharding.
[21:14] <cjwatson>         return str(self.id)
[21:14] <cjwatson> (comment is an understatement)
[21:15] <cjwatson> wgrant: argh I missed your comment from earlier
[21:15]  * cjwatson looks
[21:15] <blr> cjwatson: I see, thanks
[21:36] <cjwatson> wgrant: r=me, just minor things that looked a bit odd
[21:47] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thanks.


 Another iso build failure today @kc2bez
 "[telegram] <Leokolb> Another iso..." <- I think it is an infrastructure issue. I know IS has been working on it.
 where did it break?
 because curious
 also wheres my coffee kc2bez :P
 i know you took it
[22:18]  * genii slinks off
 I didn't look today but it breaks near the end during the germinate part.
 I sent you coffee, you didn't get it?
 genii you made it look like dan took my coffee!  you little sneak*  *hunts*
[22:19] <genii> hehe
[22:20]  * genii slides a fresh mug in teward's direction
[22:20] <teward> good timing i was coming your way with the bat xD
[22:21]  * teward slurps the coffee
 https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PdjRGQf3x3/
 ah yeah thats it barfing up at the IS level
 They have been working in it. It has been happening on a semi-regular
[22:42] <Eickmeyer> cjwatson assures me it's an open ticket and there's nothing more the Launchpad team can do about it. Not sure why IS has taken so long on a critical piece of infra.
[22:42] <Eickmeyer> Same thing happened with the Studio iso today too, I just triggered a rebuild and it was fine.


[14:06] <jcastro> rick_h_, was going to demo the new pages
[14:06] <jcastro> but like
[14:06] <jcastro> https://jujucharms.com/u/bigdata-charmers/data-analytics-with-pig-latin/
[14:07] <jcastro> "add to demo" seems busted there?
[16:05] <rick_h_> jcastro: :(
[16:07] <hatch> ola
[16:09] <rick_h_> jcastro: the naming of the bundle causes problems for the new stuff to find it in the gui
[16:09] <jcastro> I was able to demo around it, just wanted to point it out
[16:09] <rick_h_> hatch: https://pastebin.canonical.com/123888/
[16:10] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, if it was pushed to a different branch name it would work
[16:10] <rick_h_> jcastro: hatch can help point to what it would need to be and maybe correct me since we recently started using the new api if we can update this all together actually
[16:10] <hatch> ok looking
[16:11] <hatch> I'm pretty sure that's because it's trying to find the 'old' url
[16:12] <rick_h_> hatch: right, and it can't
[16:12] <rick_h_> hatch: so what branch path would it find and can we update to use the new urls?
[16:12] <rick_h_> jcastro: when is said demo?
[16:12] <hatch> yeah I think that we still need that old url to be able to deploy using the deployer no?
[16:12] <hatch> unless using old yaml
[16:13] <jcastro> this morning on ubuntu-on-air
[16:13] <jcastro> I already showed it
[16:13] <rick_h_> hatch: ah right, we've not updated the deployer yet
[16:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: oh, ok. Sorry then
[16:13] <jcastro> but in an odd bit of unusualness I checked before the broadcast
[16:13] <jcastro> so I was able to just not do it without embarrassing us
[16:13] <hatch> :)
[16:13] <hatch> good work :)
[16:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: right, yes, it's not 'busted' just a function of the transition from api v3 to api v4
[16:14] <rick_h_> jcastro: and we're not done updating all the things yet
[16:14] <hatch> yeah - so looks like we can't fix it quite yet
[16:14] <hatch> :(
[16:14] <jcastro> yeah I get that
[16:14] <jcastro> I would still call that busted though. :p
[16:14] <rick_h_> when you hover it tells you why you can't do it :)
[16:14] <rick_h_> busted with a nice 'sorry' message :P
[16:14] <hatch> indeed it does  :)


[00:03] <JanC> hm, but arm64 packages aren't on many (most?) mirrors, nor are they on e.g. security.ubuntu.com, just only on ports.ubuntu.com, why is that?
[00:04] <JanC> I remember 32-bit arm (armhf?) used to be on all the mirrors?
[00:10] <JanC> (I've seen there is also Ubuntu Pro for arm64, so the support should be okay, I guess :) )
[00:13] <amurray> hmm that is a good point re security.u.c - I wonder if we should consider having all the archs published there... I'll bring it up internally
[00:21] <JanC> I was also wondering about the availability of local mirrors (but maybe that's not a security question, except when the ports repos are not available for some reason?)
[00:24] <blahdeblah> It is a kind of weird look having official architectures only showing up on ports.u.c
[00:25] <JanC> yeah, it also used to be that architectures there didn't have full (LTS) support or the same priorities   :)
[00:38] <JanC> blahdeblah: especially as ports isn't mirrored on any mirror site I checked (both big local mirrors & hosting company mirrors)
[02:18] <blahdeblah> JanC: Yep, exactly


[00:41] <car> newbie question ..... can you download a milestone of a series?
[02:32] <dobey> car: what do you mean "download a milestone" ?
[02:33] <car> As an example, lp:juju has a milestone called "florence"
[02:33] <car> How do I download the source tree "as of" florence
[02:34] <car> Or does bazaar/launchpad not work that way?
[02:34] <lifeless> lp:juju/florence/<charm>
[02:34] <lifeless> IIRC
[02:34] <car> okay, will try that, thanks
[02:37] <maxb> There is no guaranteed / programmatic link between milestones and Bazaar revisions
[02:38] <maxb> And the tags in lp:juju don't look milestone-related
[02:47] <car> thanks maxb .. makes sense ... was curious if there was some relationship
[02:56] <dobey> ooh, sorry. no, no direct relationship. a milestone is turned into a release usually when it's completed, and you can grab a tarball of that release usually if it's uploaded to launchpad on the milestone as the release. and when that happens, there should be a tag on the branch for the series as well. but there isn't a guarantee that there ever will be
[02:57] <car> ACK
[09:02] <jonathanj> hey guys, why are Launchpad pages almost 100% wider than they need to be? (i.e. i can scroll to the right a whole bunch)
[09:03] <jpds> jonathanj: Do you have a small screen? I've never had that problem.
[09:06] <jonathanj> it's reasonably small, i guess
[09:07] <jonathanj> actually, it only happens on some pages, like a merge proposal/bug/branch page
[09:07] <jonathanj> and it happens on my desktop too (which has around 1920 of horizontal resolution)
[09:08] <jonathanj> 1920px*
[09:09] <jonathanj> and it doesn't seem to happen in Chrome
[09:11] <jonathanj> it has something to do with the lazr form overlay elements, they have CSS styles that set visibility:hidden (which doesn't actually remove the element from the flow, it just makes it not visible), if you set display:none on the yui3-lazr-formoverlay-hidden style, then all the overlays stop contributing to layout and i don't get a huge scrollbar in Firefox anymore
[09:18] <jonathanj> would i file a bug like this against launchpad.net/launchpad? or is there some sub-project i should file it against?
[09:24] <wgrant> jonathanj: launchpad is the correct project.
[09:25] <wgrant> jonathanj: Which version of Firefox are you using?
[09:25] <jonathanj> Aurora and Nightly
[09:25] <jonathanj> so 14 and 15
[09:26] <wgrant> Ah, indeed.
[09:26] <wgrant> So, we made some changes here a couple of days ago.
[09:26] <wgrant> To unbreak some stuff in IE9
[09:27] <jonathanj> wgrant: it's been like this for quite a while
[09:27] <jonathanj> (i notice it most on my macbook, since it's very easy to accidentally scroll horizontally on the trackpad)
[09:28] <jonathanj> it just keeps slipping my mind before i manage to report it
[09:28] <wgrant> Looks like it was deployed on Monday.
[09:28] <wgrant> If you file a bug I'll point the relevant dev at it.
[09:28] <jonathanj> okay, will do
[09:29] <wgrant> Thanks.
[09:38] <jonathanj> wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1001181
[09:39] <jonathanj> oh there
[09:40] <wgrant> jonathanj: Thanks.
[09:47] <adeuring> wallyworld_: still around?
[11:15] <yofel> hi, with the new blueprint page. Where is one supposed to put work items? There is the whiteboard which has a work item editor. Below that is a window for Work Items. Shouldn't the work item editor be used for that? Where is one supposed to put the work items now? Whiteboard or Work Items?
[12:11] <wallyworld_> adeuring: hi, thanks for reviewing my branch. i can't reproduce the error you found
[12:12] <adeuring> wallyworld_: odd...
[12:12] <wallyworld_> i open launchpad.dev/ubuntu and can log in an no-one or mark or name12
[12:12] <wallyworld_> and in each case the fields either render readonly or editable as required
[12:13] <adeuring> wallyworld_: let me try again, after another rf-get run
[12:13] <wallyworld_> adeuring: remind me the email adress for foobar
[12:13] <adeuring> wallyworld_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:14]  * wallyworld_ tries that
[12:14] <wallyworld_> all seems to work
[12:15] <adeuring> wallyworld_: ...and I still get the error :(
[12:15] <wallyworld_> wtf
[12:15] <wallyworld_> is it a python zope error?
[12:16] <wallyworld_> can you pastebin the traceback?
[12:16] <adeuring> wallyworld_: no, just JS pop-up
[12:16] <wallyworld_> hmmm.
[12:17] <adeuring> wallyworld_: the only server-side stuff I see is POST /api/devel/ubuntu HTTP/1.1" 400 465 15 0.0297849178314 251 62 "161" "Distribution:EntryResource" "https://launchpad.dev/ubuntu" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0
[12:17] <wallyworld_> the eror occurs when the page renders or when you attempt to click a yellow edit icon?
[12:17] <adeuring> wallyworld_: no related OOPS report...
[12:18] <adeuring> wallyworld_: I click the yellow icon, the picker is displayed, then I click "Pick me" or select a team
[12:18] <adeuring> wallyworld_: and the related request results in a 400 error
[12:18] <wallyworld_> adeuring: found it yes. one field is mis configured. good catch!
[12:19] <wallyworld_> will fix. thank you
[12:19] <adeuring> wallyworld_: cool!
[12:19] <wallyworld_> much appreciated
[12:26] <wallyworld_> adeuring: the distribution members field is not exported to the web service like the others are. there may be a reason for this so i will check first before i export it to make this branch work
[12:26] <adeuring> wallyworld_: ok
[16:35] <xnox> What is the correct tag for bugs about blueprints functionality in lp.net?
[17:01] <joey> matsubara: hi, do you know when teams scheduled for deletion are actually deleted? I've had two in there for days now
[17:01] <joey> matsubara: they aren't going away
[17:02] <matsubara> joey, hi, don't know. let me try to find out
[22:08] <kendfinger> I have a Code import of the Chromium Git repo. it failed last time, and I am trying again as I see nothing wrong. I tried the SVN repo, but It imported , but I could not branch or browse the code! Anybody else have a problem like this?


[19:15] <locodir-user> hello
[19:15] <locodir-user> any one can tell if there a loco team in Kuwait ?