[01:48] <charles> I put a micro sd card in and looking at it with Disks, it says Partition 1 is 32gb GB Fat.   Is that the right format to install Ubuntu onto using the Imager application?
[01:54] <rbox> charles: you should read the documentation
[02:19] <Eickmeyer> rbox: From !guidelines:  "Telling people to "RTFM" or to "just google it" is not very polite. Ideally, you should find them a link, or at least give them some directions to documentation they can use."
[02:30] <loswedseded> has do-release-upgrade been deprecated?
[02:58] <ruser> Good evening, everyone, I did get my system installed and booted, and even snapshotted in zfs.  I did a release-upgrade and now i'm stuck in the rescue mode.  Two questions. First. Is there a way to to launch ssh server?  any attempt to do so drops me right back into maintnenace mode and no daemon.  2. mount reports invalid boot record signagure, failed to read boot sector, and failed to recognize exfat
[02:59] <ruser> type. finally wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdv1, missing codepage or helper program or other error.   Prior to do-release-update it worked fine.  What should i try to figure out next?
[02:59] <ruser> whops, i just borked the partition
[03:00] <ruser> i'm going to reinstall but i have a feeling i'll end up here
[03:00] <ruser> or rather i have the old info so i'll return the system to the prior state
[03:03] <ruser> nvm, i didn't do anyting
[03:03] <ruser> My prior two questions stand
[05:21] <jStefan> join #apache-ws
[05:21] <jStefan> oops
[05:21] <jStefan> sry
[05:22] <jStefan> ... in the wrong net too :(
[09:53] <gordonjcp> this is a bit more generic than Ubuntu-specific but is there a decent parametric EQ that'll work inline with PulseAudio?
[09:53] <gordonjcp> there's pulseaudio-equalizer but that's a graphic EQ
[10:32] <cbreak> isn't ubuntu going away from pulse?
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> cbreak: i think its still in between worlds, some versions still on pulse, newer going to pipewire
[12:21] <lorenzo> lorenzo
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:28] <centHOGG> kk
[13:47] <DocMors> is there a way to, preferably automatically, repair a nackered snap installation?
[13:47] <DocMors> or do I better do a full reinstall?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> use a non-snap version if available
[13:51] <DocMors> yes but without it 5 or apps are no longer available, I think I finally jump and find a distro without snaps. I was with Ubuntu for more than 15 years but this I don't want to fight
[13:52] <centHOGG> i use(d) both snap & crossover. Wine capability primarily
[13:54] <BluesKaj> which ubuntu release are you running DocMors ?
[13:54] <DocMors> 22.04
[13:54] <ravage> what error do you get?
[13:55] <DocMors> sudo snap refresh firefox
[13:55] <DocMors> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[13:55] <DocMors> - Run post-refresh hook of "firefox" snap if present (run hook "post-refresh": cannot locate base snap core22: No such file or directory)
[13:56] <ravage> sudo snap install core22
[13:56] <DocMors> I think the issue is not with firefox but with this core22
[13:56] <DocMors> and gues what that was the first I tried
[13:56] <DocMors> sudo snap install core22
[13:56] <DocMors> snap "core22" is already installed, see 'snap help refresh'
[13:57] <ravage> well. we are not psychic. we dont know what you tried
[13:57] <DocMors> sudo snap remove core22
[13:57] <DocMors> error: cannot remove "core22": snap "core22" is not removable: snap is being used by snaps
[13:57] <DocMors>        cameractrls, cups, gnome-42-2204 and telegram-desktop.
[13:58] <DocMors> same with purge, I tried to apt purge snapd too
[13:58] <ravage> do other snaps work?
[13:58] <ravage> telegram for example?
[13:58] <DocMors> all with reinstall and reboot but totally no joy. I don't find anything that shows me how to manage broken snaps either
[13:58] <DocMors> nope all dead snaps are dead
[13:59] <DocMors> it's this core22 thing and like said I don't find anything how to fix that
[13:59] <ravage> ok so get a list from "snap list"
[13:59] <DocMors> need to calm down
[13:59] <ravage> remove the snaps. it will greate snapshots on remove
[13:59] <ravage> so your data are still there
[14:00] <DocMors> so remove all blovking snaps and then remove / reinstall core22 ?
[14:00] <ravage> i would even remove snapd with --purge
[14:00] <ravage> then install snapd again
[14:00] <ravage> before you reinstall check if /var/lib/snapd/snaps is also empty
[14:00] <ravage> if not remove all files in there too
[14:01] <ravage> you dont have to remove snaps like the core snaps
[14:01] <ravage> only real applications
[14:01] <DocMors> now that core snap is the culprit methinks
[14:03] <ravage> and remove with purge i mean by apt
[14:04] <DocMors> let see whether we get this running again
[14:04] <DocMors> and thka
[14:04] <DocMors> thanks
[14:15]  * DocMors hands a huge cookie to ravage
[14:15] <DocMors> thank god no reinstall
[14:15] <ravage> \o/ nom nom
[14:17] <DocMors> if I wasn't so riled I'd even write up how to get this fixed, there isn't much about it on the web.
[14:17] <DocMors> maybe tomorrow
[15:29] <Ecko> When i apt install php-common, it automatically select php8.2-common. Is this some sort of symlink?
[15:32] <ioria> the ondrej ppa, probably
[16:25] <noent> hey. I'm having some issues with the keyboard settings in Ubuntu 22.04. During installation I set "de (neo2)" as keyboard language, but in a lot of applications it jumps back to normal German keyboard e.g. when pressing ctrl. So I have to press different keys for e.g. ^c which is quite annoying. Iirc there was a bug with Xorg that caused this behavior for all layouts with XkbVariant and there was a work around, but I can't seem to find it right now
[16:25] <sem> Is this page still current? (Bug with fonts blocking the 23.10 upgrade path) https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mantic-minotaur-23-10-release-status-tracking/37887
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> sem: Yes.
[16:32] <sem> Thanks
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> sem: Reason being is that 24.04 hasn't yet opened for development, the blocking bug requires it be opened.
[16:33] <sem> I wasn't sure if there was a meeting on monday that was going to address that. Are they going to wait to completely clear the bug before opening the taps
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> sem: Yes.
[16:34] <Eickmeyer> As stated in the bug, the verification of the bug must be completed by verifying with nn (24.04).
[16:38] <sem> I'm just curious, why do they need to make sure it works from mantic -> nn in order to allow lunar -> mantic ?
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> sem: ubuntu-release-upgrader works by downloading from the release being upgraded to and then running within the release being upgraded from. Therefore, they want to make sure it's not broken going nn -> mantic first.
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> sem: All development within Ubuntu works by working in the development release first and then backporting fixes to the next highest release.
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> s/highest release/highest supported release
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> sem: Also, to add to that, there is a planning sprint going on right now, so you really need patience.
[16:43] <Eickmeyer> sem: The developers in charge of ubuntu-release-upgrader are stretched pretty thin.
[16:44] <sem> That makes sense to me to do development that way. The part that is confusing I guess is if it has already been tested and works for lunar -> mantic, why block the upgrade path? Will it introduce problems later if the fix doesn't work for mantic -> nn?
[16:46] <Eickmeyer> sem: The problem is the last test for lunar -> mantic didn't work, and as stated before, the "Fix Released" change happens automatically in the bug tracker and can be a misnomer. This fix requires manual verification to know for certain and *must* be verified by the developer that did the fix using the process they use.
[16:47] <sem> ah ok. There's a comment saying that the fixed packages were in -upgrades and people were unsubscribing from the bug, so I thought it was done
[16:48] <Eickmeyer> sem: That is an automatic comment, believe it or not.
[16:48] <Eickmeyer> sem: Or, rather, semi-automated.
[16:48] <sem> Ah, ok, I thought that was someone signing off on the fix :p
[16:48] <Eickmeyer> Nope.
[16:48] <Eickmeyer> It's a semi-automated part of the SRU process.
[16:49] <sem> I appreciate your patience explaining all of this process. I was hoping that 23.10 would fix some bugs on my system, but I will keep waiting patiently
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> The rest of the verification has yet to be completed. When that's completed (as stated in the comment in the bug report), the block will be lifted and upgrades will be enabled.
[16:50] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome. It's a very, very careful process and doesn't usually take this long, but a lot of things went awry close to release this time.
[17:24] <robson-fa> I'm having a problem with OpenVPN, on my Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop. When I connect, using a configured connection to my company, I can access my internal network, but only by IP address, I can't access using the name of my resource. I can see that the IP of my internal DNS is put into the file /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf, but it's not working. The
[17:24] <robson-fa> file /etc/resolv.conf is a symbolic link to the file /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf, which is not updated with the IP Address of my internal DNS. I changed the symbolic link of /etc/resolv.conf to /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf and everything start to work. I'd like to know if is there way to do it works without this change of symbolic
[17:24] <robson-fa> link?
[17:34] <ioria> robson-fa, you might try with openvpn-systemd-resolved
[17:55] <[twisti]> im trying to understand how firewall works on ubuntu (lts 22), and all guides i read refer to ufw, and the first step is usually enabling ufw. does that mean that by default, ubuntu has no firewall activated ?
[17:56] <leftyfb> [twisti]: correct
[17:56] <[twisti]> alright, thanks. i am debugging being unable to access a port, so the firewall config is then probably not something i should be looking at right now
[17:57] <leftyfb> also correct
[17:57] <[twisti]> i just spooled up a blank server install, and ufw status reports inactive, i just wanted to make sure it didnt default to another firewall solution
[18:04] <jStefan> [twisti], did you try something like "ss -tlnp"? and are you trying to reach the port via the internet or local network ?
[18:05] <[twisti]> jStefan: thanks, i solved it already, just when you open a port and cant connect to it from a remote machine, FW was my first go-to to check. turned out kubectl port-forwarding binds to <IP_ADDRESS> only by default
[18:37] <Dex2x> Hi all, I have samba instance running and my shares are working except for one, I don't see the [share] config in my /etc/samba/smb.conf , I do have a /var/lib/samba/usershares/series file, but this folder doesn't seem to be exposed?
[18:48] <Fishermango> hey guys , I'm using Android 12 and my wifi connection keeps switching between 2. or ghz and 5ghz, breaking downloads and streams. I can't figure out how to set a specific band on Android settings, and i cant modify the router.
[18:49] <ruser> This is an #ubuntu channel?
[18:49] <Fishermango> Great, i can't join android
[18:49] <oerheks> you might need to regeister with libera for #android
[18:50] <Fishermango> i can't
[18:50] <oerheks> !register
[20:29] <kai> Evening folks
[20:31] <kai> I can't seem to access the internet from my 22.04 laptop after installing updates earlier today, and I'm a bit stumped how to debug this
[20:32] <kai> I'm connected to WiFi, DNS lookups seem to work, but nothing else
[20:32] <leftyfb> kai: can you ping your router?
[20:32] <kai> Yes, but nothing on the outside
[20:33] <leftyfb> can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[20:33] <kai> Tried on multiple networks,  so it's not the router
[20:34] <leftyfb> kai: "ip route" does that show the ip of your router?
[20:35] <kai> Leftyfb: yup
[20:35] <kai> The ping to <IP_ADDRESS> fails, btw
[20:36] <kai> I'm currently connected to my phone's hotspot, so I'm sure the network connection should work
[20:36] <leftyfb> kai: is this a laptop? Desktop? Server? virtual machine? docker container? other?
[20:37] <kai> A laptop
[20:37] <leftyfb> I would recommend testing being hardwired to your router, wifi if you can't hardwire
[20:37] <kai> And as I said, DNS seems to work
[20:37] <jStefan> the laptop can connect to the internet via the phone's hotspot, but not your wiif?
[20:37] <jStefan> wifi*
[20:38] <kai> No, no matter what wifi network I'm on, no connection
[20:38] <leftyfb> kai: host ubuntu.com <IP_ADDRESS>    # what does this give you?
[20:39] <kai> That times out, but without specifying the Google DNS I get a result
[20:39] <kai> But I assume that's because that's coming in via the router
[20:40] <leftyfb> kai: ok, so DNS is only "working" because your router is probably doing resolutions for you. You can't actually communicate with the internet
[20:41] <kai> That's my assumption, too.  Make sure you're not using a profile that is set with static network settings. You should be using DHCP for everything
[20:42] <kai> Yeah, I'm on dhcp, otherwise I wouldn't get the right ip,  route,  and DNS settings
[20:42] <jStefan> if it can get dns from the router and nothing else, maybe it's missing a routing rule? and just generating unreachables?? just a guess
[20:43] <kai> ip route shows a default route, though
[20:44] <kai> And if I connect to a different WiFi network, that route updates as expected
[20:45] <jStefan> could another route be interfering with the default route?
[20:47] <kai> No, not that I'd see, no custom routes
[20:49] <oerheks> with weird connection issues; reboot the router?
[20:50] <kai> Not my router,  but I have the same symptoms on four different networks already
[20:50] <leftyfb> kai: sudo iptables -L -n # got any firewall rules ?
[20:51] <kai> I also checked that, no rules
[20:53] <kai> I don't have wireshark installed,  unfortunately
[20:54] <leftyfb> I didn't ask to run wireshark
[20:55] <kai> Yeah, just saying that I'd love to see what kind of traffic I can see on the interface
[20:56] <kai> iptables lists no rules set with the default policy of accept
[21:01] <kai> Hm, I just realised I have an ubuntu desktop iso image  and a USB driv
[21:01] <leftyfb> kai: are you able to try hardwired? Or a different wireless adapter(USB)?
[21:01] <kai> I'll give that a spin to see if it's a config issue
[21:02] <kai> No, no ethernet ports here, and I don't carry a spare adapter
[21:22] <kai> Anyway, thanks for the debugging help, I need to go offline for tonight
[21:43] <kai> Ok, couldn't leave it alone. Wifi works from the live image, so it's a software problem for sure
[22:42] <SeanMatula> Hello everyone!
[22:42] <redlegion> howdy
[22:43] <SeanMatula> I'm having trouble with a MicroOVN install. Anyone know if it works with arm64? It appears the openvswitch service isn't starting after the "snap install", and I think that has to due with loading kernel module.
[22:54] <carpatu> my cpu fan makes a small noise for 5 min when cool at boot time
[22:54] <carpatu> replace?
[22:55] <leftyfb> carpatu: you should ask in #hardware. Ubuntu doesn't make cpu fans
[22:55] <carpatu> thats a good channel thanks


[09:21] <rmg51> Morning
[12:04] <KyleYankan>  /act all
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[01:38] <Resistance> anyone here know how to get a wordpress blog onto planet.ubuntu.com?
[01:39] <Resistance> thought i'd ask whilst i hunt down people on the regional board who approved my membership
[01:44] <micahg> Resistance: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[01:44] <Resistance> micahg:  yeah, but i have some questions ;P
[01:44] <Resistance> specifically...
[01:45] <Resistance> whats a 'hackergotchi', and is there any special config i have to do within wordpress to make it work?
[01:45]  * micahg is unfamiliar with the reference
[01:46] <lifeless> avatar
[01:46] <lifeless> photo
[01:46] <lifeless> image
[01:46] <lifeless> picture
[01:46] <lifeless> mugshot
[01:46] <Resistance> ah
[01:46] <Resistance> can it be changed at a later date once uploaded?
[01:46] <lifeless> presumably
[01:46] <Resistance> (i.e. if i change my image, so to speak)
[01:46]  * micahg should probably set up a blog after 2 yrs :)
[01:46] <Resistance> micahg:  lo
[01:46] <Resistance> lol*
[01:50] <psusi> is there a bzr version of git rebase?
[01:51] <lifeless> bzr-rebase?
[01:52] <psusi> there some special package you have to install to get that?
[01:53] <lifeless> I believe its in 'bzr-rewrite
[01:53] <lifeless> '
[01:53] <psusi> ahh, there we go
[02:42] <Resistance> lifeless:  could i just use a smaller version of the launchpad avatar/image I iuse?
[02:42] <Resistance> use*
[02:42] <Resistance> for the hackergotchi
[03:04] <broder> tumbleweed: git repository should show up at git://git.debian.org/~ebroder-guest/freeimage.git some time within the next 6 hours
[03:24] <thedude_> Hi
[03:24] <thedude_> Just out of curiousity
[03:25] <thedude_> is there a formal way of suggesting my launchpad packages to be added to universe?
[03:36] <broder> thedude_: if your packages aren't specific to ubuntu, we really, really prefer that new packages come to universe through debian
[03:36] <broder> http://mentors.debian.net/ is a good place to start
[03:38] <thedude_> ah that makes sense
[05:34] <JackyAlcine> Hey, I'm writing a debian/control file, is there a way for an app's dependencies to be automatically loaded into the Builds-Depends field?
[05:34] <JackyAlcine> I'm using CMake for building.
[05:37] <broder> JackyAlcine: you could probably do it, but that sort of thing is really strongly discouraged, because it creates the possibility of build-dependencies changing without explicit action changing them
[05:37] <broder> (which can affect otherwise unchanged rebuilds or security builds or any other type of builds)
[05:37] <JackyAlcine> I'll stick to standards then, and I see why that'd be discouraged.
[05:37] <JackyAlcine> Thanks, broder
[05:37] <broder> the debian ftpmasters will automatically reject any package whose build-deps are dynamically generated
[05:37] <broder> np :)
[05:38] <broder> (the second item in the table at http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html - it's talking about a misguided option in cdbs specifically, but is more generally applicable)
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:53] <ApOgEE> hi, I'm having problem with devel package. if I want to install devel package from source, which file should I copy to where?
[12:48] <tumbleweed> broder: knew it'd be rejected. I'll add an override
[15:26] <broder> tumbleweed: thanks - i didn't realize embedded-library was on the autoreject list. looks like it's built on everything, so i'll go ahead and sync it
[15:26] <broder> (once lp picks it up)
[15:29] <tumbleweed> broder: did you see the bug requesting a patch for the next libpng? :)
[15:29] <broder> the lp bug?
[15:29] <tumbleweed> debian
[15:30] <broder> oh, no. i thought i only saw one debian bug
[15:30] <tumbleweed> oh, also, your tags were the wrong type. Turned them into annotated tags
[15:30] <broder> that was what git-import-dsc created
[15:31] <broder> (i thought it was weird too)
[15:31] <broder> anyway, getting that update pulled together was scarring enough that i really, really have no interest in adopting the package :-P
[15:53]  * Laney receives a terrifying email from lp-udd
[15:53] <Laney> seems the librarian is broken ...
[15:56] <tumbleweed> yup
[15:56] <tumbleweed> soren was making noises about it in #launchpad
[15:56] <Laney> so i saw
[15:56] <tumbleweed> and I'm also getting rude e-mails from scripts
[15:57] <tumbleweed> Laney: it didn't bump the stamp, did it?
[15:57] <Laney> yeah but i rolled it back
[15:57] <Laney> it also managed to get a few uploads
[15:57] <tumbleweed> ok, we should make it not do that
[15:57] <Laney> more than n fails -> abort
[15:58] <Laney> ?
[15:58] <tumbleweed> probably better go for a window
[15:58] <tumbleweed> more than n fails from m entries
[15:58] <Laney> n%
[15:58] <Laney> sounds ok
[16:59] <psusi> quilt mail says it needs you to install "formail" but I can find no such package.  what do I need to be able to mail quilt patches?
[17:00] <Laney> formail is in the procmail package
[17:00] <Laney> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=formail&mode=exactfilename&suite=oneiric&arch=any
[17:01] <psusi> ahh... apt-cache search wasn't turning that up...
[17:05] <cjwatson> psusi: for looking for files, you need apt-file rather than apt-cache
[17:05] <cjwatson> or you can just run the command and let command-not-found tell you :-)
[18:10] <psusi> so quilt mail doesn't seem to understand DEP-3 headers... it puls the subject line and discards the rest.  Any workaround for that?
[18:10] <jtaylor> put the tags below the subject
[18:11] <psusi> jtaylor: eh?  they are
[18:12] <jtaylor> with a empty line between tags and subject
[18:12] <psusi> then that's not DEP-3 ;)
[18:13] <psusi> sigh... but I guess I'll just have to manually go add the blank lines to all of these patches then
[18:13] <jtaylor> its the best possible currently
[18:14] <jtaylor> how many patches have you got oo
[18:21] <psusi> 17
[18:21] <psusi> got it done already, wasn't that bad
[22:03] <ockham_> i'm currently trying to switch unity-lens-bliss from autotools to distutils.
[22:04] <ockham_> i'm not exactly a distutils guru, so i was wondering what's the proper way to substitute vars (as is otherwise done by autotools)
[22:05] <ockham_> can someone give me a hint on how to do that?
[22:10] <ockham_> tumbleweed: ^^
[22:11] <ockham_> ( see lp:~ockham-razor/unity-lens-bliss/distutils )
[22:15] <tumbleweed> ockham_: it doesn't have a concept of substitude vars
[22:15] <tumbleweed> ockham_: however it's python, so you can do anything you want
[22:15] <ockham_> tumbleweed: i found distutils.util.subst_vars
[22:15] <ockham_> tumbleweed: could be useful
[22:16] <tumbleweed> why do you need them?
[22:18] <ockham_> tumbleweed: isn't that for, well, variable substitution? -- upstream's currently doing that --via autotools
[22:20] <tumbleweed> ockham_: those are very simple substutions, you can easily do them yourself (if distutils.util.subst_vars doesn't do what you want, haven't heard of it or looked at it)
[22:30] <oxullo> Greetings, everybody. Got a noob launchpad question. I just fixed the issues described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libavg/+bug/899183 and I'm wondering if I simply have to upload again the files (logs, debian.tar.gz, dsc, source.changes) or there is another custom in such cases (like bumping ubuntu revision leaving the previous as UNRELEASED). Thanks in advance
[22:33] <broder> oxullo: you definitely don't bump the version number - you don't need to do that until after that version has been uploaded to the ubuntu archive
[22:33] <broder> oxullo: and you shouldn't need to upload all of those files - at most, the .dsc and .debian.tar.gz
[22:34] <broder> and .dsc isn't all that important, really
[22:34] <oxullo> broder: pdebuild session log for convenience? so I basically overwrite the old ones
[22:34] <broder> oxullo: i wouldn't bother. anybody sponsoring will test the build themselves before uploading
[22:35] <oxullo> broder: alright. Thank you!
[22:37] <oxullo> broder: one last question, if I may.. Should I change anything on the state of the bug or just upload and brief comment? the potential sponsor is subscribed..
[22:39] <broder> oxullo: make sure ubuntu-sponsors is subscribed (i usually unsubscribe them when i don't think something is ready to be sponsored, but andrew didn't), and change the status to something other than incomplete - probably confirmed
[22:41] <oxullo> broder: I subscribed ubuntu-sponsors when I uploaded the first set of files, it's still there. Ok, thank you very much again!
[23:45] <pcpratts> hi, I am making my own .deb;  installation works fine with dpkg -i but now I am trying to use apt-get
[23:46] <pcpratts> it seems that when I update reprepro it is using a cached copy of the deb
[23:46] <pcpratts> for my development I need to be able to quickly update the apt repository with the same package version number
[23:47] <tumbleweed> pcpratts: you don't need to, or want to, use the same version number. You only think so.
[23:48] <pcpratts> tumbleweed.  but this package isn't being released
[23:48] <pcpratts> tumbleweed: I am working on releasing the package.  I am debugging the installer
[23:48] <tumbleweed> so, put a .1 and the end and increment it continuously
[23:48] <tumbleweed> or stop using reprepro
[23:49] <pcpratts> tumbleweed: okay so I guess you are saying I will be fighting alot if I do it my way.  okay.  I will increment the number. thanks
[23:50] <EvilResistance> anyone got any idea when lp's librarian is going to be back up and running?
[23:50] <broder> EvilResistance: i'd pay attention to #launchpad
[23:50] <EvilResistance> until then the package publishers are down :/
[23:50] <tumbleweed> if you want an easy archive that doesn't require you to increment versions, just use dpkg-scanpackages
[23:50] <EvilResistance> broder:  was curious if the motu's knew anything that #launchpad wasnt telling normal users :P
[23:50] <tumbleweed> but for debugging, you shouldn't need ot be usin gapt
[23:51] <tumbleweed> EvilResistance: naah, there's no secret channel
[23:51] <broder> EvilResistance: MOTUs basically never know anything about LP that #launchpad doesn't tell us
[23:51] <EvilResistance> hmm
[23:51] <ockham_> tumbleweed: would you mind taking a look at lp:~ockham-razor/unity-lens-bliss/distutils ?
[23:51] <EvilResistance> i take it, though, with the publisher offline, its screwing up things for the alphas?
[23:51] <EvilResistance> precise alphas*
[23:51] <tumbleweed> broder: although, we can see crash bugs, which non-ubuntu-devs can't
[23:51] <broder> what do you mean? alpha 1 has already been released. the next alpha isn't for a while
[23:51] <tumbleweed> that's about it
[23:52] <EvilResistance> meh
[23:52] <EvilResistance> broder:  they said that with the publisher(s) down that it affects the Ubuntu repos for new packages, so i was curious and asked :P
[23:53] <pcpratts> tumbleweed: my package works perfectly with dpkg.  but now I am debugging upgrading packages with apt
[23:53] <tumbleweed> pcpratts: what are you doing that makes it not work with apt?
[23:53] <cjwatson> EvilResistance: shouldn't be desperately long, I wouldn't worry about it
[23:53] <pcpratts> tumbleweed: eh, not sure yet.  :)
[23:53] <cjwatson> hours not days
[23:53] <tumbleweed> pcpratts: dpkg-scanpackages makes an archive that apt can use (it's flat, doesn't have pools)
[23:54] <EvilResistance> cjwatson:  since my pbuilder environment decided to explode, i'm kind of impatient ;P
[23:54] <EvilResistance> cjwatson:  okay, so, say, before midnight (approx 5 hours)?
[23:54] <pcpratts> tumbleweed: okay, I'll look into that
[23:54] <cjwatson> EvilResistance: dunno, I'm guessing based on what sysadmins are saying, I wouldn't like to give a deadline for fear I'd be holding them to it
[23:55] <EvilResistance> hm.
[23:55] <EvilResistance> okay then.
[23:55]  * EvilResistance impatiently waits for LP to fix the problem
[23:55] <cjwatson> I don't particularly want to hassle them since it's clearly been a pretty stressful day in sysadmin land
[23:55] <EvilResistance> heh
[23:56] <tumbleweed> ockham_: there is'nt a debian directory
[23:56] <cjwatson> the publisher is down to avoid causing further havoc, basically
[23:56] <EvilResistance> cjwatson:  what about the builders?
[23:56] <EvilResistance> a few hours ago all the amd64 virtual builders showed as disabled
[23:56] <cjwatson> builders are still running
[23:56] <ockham_> tumbleweed: um, yeah. i was asking about my autotools -> distutils conversion for now...
[23:56] <EvilResistance> as did the un-used i386 builders
[23:56] <cjwatson> that's something different
[23:56] <EvilResistance> cjwatson:  they're the PPA builders
[23:56] <EvilResistance> that's the issue :/
[23:56] <cjwatson> yes I know
[23:57] <tumbleweed> ockham_: you probably don't want to install the python bits as data_files, but as a module
[23:57] <cjwatson> not sure what that's about; I suppose it could be connected to librarian breakage, as that takes out a very large swathe of Launchpad
[23:57] <cjwatson> lots of builders being down does tend to trigger alerts, so it won't be forgotten
[23:57] <ockham_> tumbleweed: yeah, i basically copied from other lenses. is there a more elegant way for /etc stuff, btw?
[23:57] <tumbleweed> ockham_: in fact, I wouldn't try to put stuff into /etc wit hthe setup.py either
[23:57] <cjwatson> tomorrow should be a better day :-)
[23:58] <tumbleweed> some things are more cleanly done with dh_install
[23:58] <tumbleweed> (you'd expect setup.py install to do something sane in a virtualenv)
[23:59] <ockham_> tumbleweed: i was meaning to keep setup.py usable for upstream, so i figured i needed to take care of /etc stuff
[23:59] <tumbleweed> ockham_: oh, and import * is very poor style