[00:27] <z35> it has been a while since update mythbuntu, i updated it, and it no longer works, it says it holds back libmyth, which depends on liblame0, which is replaced by libmp3lame0 (which is installed)
[00:28] <trunkisjunk> yup
[00:28] <trunkisjunk> the devs are having fun with us
[00:29] <trunkisjunk> ubuntu is like windows, if it works dont mess with it
[00:30] <z35> any magic command to get it working?
[00:31] <trunkisjunk> I cant remember what I did when that happened. maybe a dist-upgrade
[00:31] <trunkisjunk> apt-get rolldice
[00:31] <trunkisjunk> lol
[00:31] <z35> haha
[00:32] <trunkisjunk> I have learned that unbuntu does not upgrade, it breaks
[00:32] <trunkisjunk> happened multiple times to me
[00:33] <z35> this is the first major one for me, usually i just wait a couple days and it is resolved, but it has never really broke...
[00:33] <z35> un-usable wise...
[00:34] <z35> and I have been happy with ubuntu...
[00:34] <trunkisjunk> there is a thread about liblame in the forums, I remember having to deal with that a few months ago
[00:34] <trunkisjunk> so it is still a problem I guess
[00:39] <trunkisjunk> I am trying to remember what I had to do, I have had to fix somany things on my dvr all the time I have a bit to dig through z35. but I will come up with it I think
[00:40] <z35> did it have to do with the /var/lib/apt/extended_states file?
[00:40] <trunkisjunk> my destop is a tank, I never have to do anything but update it and continue using it, but it is gentoo
[00:40] <trunkisjunk> no, I dont renmember touching that , but let me look
[00:40] <z35> same with my desktops/server
[00:43] <trunkisjunk> no never touched that file
[00:44] <trunkisjunk> what repos are you using?
[00:44] <trunkisjunk> and were you upgrading 8.04 to 8.10?
[00:45] <z35> archive.buntu intrepid main->multiverse free non-free restriced and i enabled proposed to see if that resolved it
[00:45] <z35> always 8.10
[00:45] <trunkisjunk> ok
[00:49] <trunkisjunk> did your upgrade remove anything or just upgrade and install?
[00:50] <trunkisjunk> I am trying to shake my memory lose, sorry if I ask you any inane questions z35. it is being one of those days
[00:50] <z35> just upgrade from the pretty simple little gui saying it could only do a partial
[00:50] <trunkisjunk> ok
[00:50] <z35> which i did, restarted, did another partial, and now this
[00:51] <trunkisjunk> aha
[00:51] <trunkisjunk> just came loose
[00:51] <trunkisjunk> you need to select the unstripped libs
[00:51] <trunkisjunk> that is what I did
[00:52] <trunkisjunk> I think this is what I read at that time http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1084538&highlight=libmp3lame
[00:55] <trunkisjunk> I definitely remember installing the unstripped libs after one of the many updates that broke stuff
[01:03] <asphere> Re: my earlier question on getting mythtv-backend to WAIT until the network
[01:03] <asphere> Re: my earlier question on getting mythtv-backend to WAIT until the network
[01:03] <asphere> is up before continuing... I've added a few lines of code to the top
[01:03] <asphere> of /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/f76a67b69
[01:03] <asphere> Very nice for making sure my HDHomerun tuners are found every time
[01:04] <asphere> the PC boots up. Side effect is that the backend script will hang
[01:04] <asphere> unless the network is visible. Probably not good for most, but fine
[01:04] <asphere> for me because unless I can see the HDHR on the network, my backend is useless.
[01:09] <z35> installing all the ffmpeg unstripped libs (6 of them) nothing changed...
[01:10] <trunkisjunk> z35 dang it, sorry . i will look and see what I have installed, one sec
[01:12] <z35> alright, thx
[01:13] <trunkisjunk> I have libmp3lame0, libmp3lame-dev  3.98-0.0
[01:14] <trunkisjunk> libmyth-0.22   I am using trunk (dont laugh, pitty me)
[01:15] <trunkisjunk> what ever you do, dont add the trunk repo
[01:15] <z35> i have 0.21.0+fixes18722-0ubuntu1
[01:16] <trunkisjunk> ok
[01:20] <trunkisjunk> after reading this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1033277&highlight=liblame0+libmp3lame0 I wonder if I deleted all repos and re-added the current ones to fix it. I remember doing that, but dont recall if it was for libmp3lame0
[01:20] <trunkisjunk> z3566
[01:20] <trunkisjunk> z35^^
[01:20] <z35> lookin
[01:21] <trunkisjunk> I misstyped, didnt mean to dbl up on pinging you
[01:22] <z35> it din't ping me at all...
[01:22] <trunkisjunk> oh ok, cool
[01:33] <z35> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d7cf030e2
[01:33] <z35> different problem
[01:36] <trunkisjunk> lookin
[01:38] <trunkisjunk> what if you apt-get mythtv-backend speciffically?
[01:38] <trunkisjunk> not just generic mythtv
[01:39] <z35> i need to upgrade mythtv-common
[01:39] <trunkisjunk> ok does that complete?
[01:40] <z35> fails
[01:41] <trunkisjunk> there is an old mythtv filke hanging around. I have had to uninstall any mythtv package and reinstall them to straighten out deps before too
[01:42] <z35> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m152ddb42
[01:44] <trunkisjunk> ah yes we are drilling down to the hidden error now. what mythtv* pkgs are installed currently
[01:45] <z35> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m7b94dde0
[01:51] <trunkisjunk> remove mythtv-backend,frontend, and themes then reinstall
[01:52] <trunkisjunk> that wont remove your db, just the bins.
[01:54] <trunkisjunk> and also stop myth-backend during upgrades, there is something about upgrade scripts in some of the mythtv stuff not running if the backend is
[02:07] <trunkisjunk> any luck z35?
[02:09] <z35> installing
[02:09] <trunkisjunk> right on
[02:09] <z35> seems to work
[02:09] <trunkisjunk> my toes are crossed
[02:09] <z35> hehe
[02:10] <trunkisjunk> you think I am joking....
[02:10] <trunkisjunk> put on the wrong shoes this morning
[02:10] <trunkisjunk> lol
[02:10] <trunkisjunk> ok I was joking
[02:11] <z35> awesome!!! it works
[02:11] <trunkisjunk> nice, glad I finally remembered what I did
[02:12] <trunkisjunk> and trunk had a big update today, lets see what happens after my upgrade
[02:12] <z35> thank you trunkisjunk
[02:12] <trunkisjunk> you are very welcome
[02:29] <z35> the configure ubuntu application is no longer installed (select plugins, themes, etc)
[02:29] <trunkisjunk> it will reinstall
[02:29] <trunkisjunk> mythbuntu-control-centre
[02:30] <trunkisjunk> that is normal
[02:30] <trunkisjunk> it pulls out when you pull out themes
[02:30] <trunkisjunk> but you have to reinstall it on its own, it leaves with themes, but does not return with them
[02:31] <z35> alright, thank you
[02:32] <trunkisjunk> np
[02:32] <trunkisjunk> my bad for not mentioning it. I forgot
[02:33] <z35> it is alright
[02:33] <z35> you have been an excellent help
[02:34] <trunkisjunk> if anything is missing it will reinstall happily now z35
[02:40] <z35> alright, everything is back to normal now :)
[02:41] <trunkisjunk> good, i did something right today. yay!!!
[02:41]  * trunkisjunk gets a cookie
[02:52] <trunkisjunk> if I wanted to compile mytharchive, where would I get source to match the pkgs I have installed from the current trunk?
[02:52] <trunkisjunk> trunk repo that is
[03:11] <bobbob1016> tgm4883, I'm using your PPA repo for mythvodka, but I can't seem to find mythvodka in your repo.  I'm following this forum post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1006069&highlight=tgm4883&page=14
[03:12] <rhpot1991> !%testing%
[03:12] <Zinn> to enable the mythbuntu-testing PPA, please go to http://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-testing/+archive/ppa and add the sources.list entries for your distro version (gutsy, hardy, intrepid) to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:12] <rhpot1991> use that bobbob1016
[03:12] <LegoMan> So, I just set up mythbuntu from the cd iso, refreshed sources, upgraded anything that was able to be upgraded, set up the nvidia drivers, and went to work on setting up the mythtv stuff.  Unfortunately, the MySQL server doesn't seem to have a mythtv user or a mythconverg database, so I can't get any farther.
[03:13] <LegoMan> any ideas?
[03:13] <bobbob1016> rhpot1991, Which one is mythvodka, nettv?
[03:14] <trunkisjunk> rhpot1991 should I use that instead of http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu ? or am I stuck with it
[03:14] <trunkisjunk> rhpot1991 I meant this one http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/ubuntu
[03:15] <trunkisjunk> is there a more complete source for 22 since I have made the jump and cant jump back
[03:22] <bobbob1016> rhpot1991, Mythvodka isn't in there
[03:25] <hads> !database
[03:25] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about database
[03:25] <hads> !mysql
[03:25] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[03:26] <hads> LegoMan ^^
[03:26] <rhpot1991> sorry I was thinking mythnettv not mythvodka
[03:28] <bobbob1016> Back to tgm4883 when you get back, could you let me know how to get mythvodka from your ppa?  PM me if you can.
[03:29] <LegoMan> thanks
[03:31] <bobbob1016> rhpot1991, Think you can help with the actual getting mythvodka to compile?  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythStreams It says to do qmake, then make.  Qmake doesn't complain, but make says http://pastebin.ca/1368747 I've installed qt3 dev and things, still no luck.
[03:33] <LegoMan> sweet.  worked perfectly.
[03:33] <hads> Cool
[03:44] <LegoMan> now of to trying to hack the capture card to work.
[03:44] <LegoMan> a/of/off/
[04:11] <trunkisjunk> since the trunk repo for intrepid does not have mytharchive and doesnot look like it ever will, is it even possible to compile just mytharchive from svn, or will I need to compile all of mythtv?
[04:12] <superm1> trunkisjunk, there was a build bug on trunk for the plugins
[04:12] <superm1> trunkisjunk, the next upload should have it resolved
[04:12] <trunkisjunk> I mean do the pkgs that are provided everything needed to compile mytharchive? or will I need to make mythtv too for headers or such
[04:13] <superm1> everything that's needed to compile mytharchive is available, it was just a patch that didn't apply on the mytharchive build process
[04:14] <superm1> trunkisjunk, if you want to do it yourself, i'd recommend you grab the mythplugins source package from the PPA and re-run it yourself.  it's a small problem with one of the patches
[04:14] <superm1> otherwise it will be handled with an upload during this week
[04:14] <trunkisjunk> ok if mytharchive is in the pipe I will wait for the deb, I dont want to mix non deb stuff in if I dont have to
[04:15] <trunkisjunk> thanks alot for the news superm1 I will await the update in a few days
[04:15] <superm1> trunkisjunk, yeah all the plugins that upstream supports we'll be supporting on the trunk builds too, just a lot of stuff in flux caused the builds to continuously be failing
[04:16] <trunkisjunk> I understand, mythtv is no a small project
[05:36] <kaele1> is there something special I need to do if I want every client to automount an nfs share on startup? I put it in the fstab in the image that I built, but its not working, any ideas?
[05:36] <kaele1> I can do it manually on each client, and it works, I just didn't want to have to do it to each one.
[20:29] <wolf_> Hello I am trying to disable gnome-screensaver whenever myth launches, I need to do this because is suffer from a bug that makes gnome-screensaver lag the pc for a moment everytime a lirc button is pressed. Does anyone know how to do this? It should also be reenabled when myth is closed
[20:47] <administrator__> hi, what do would you estimate for 0.22 to be released?
[20:50] <hads> When it's finished.
[20:59] <administrator__> well, I think that was easier than a reasonable answer
[21:08] <superm1> administrator__, upstream doesn't have a timeline defined.  they had thought they were looking at a release earlier this year, but fell behind, so it's not easy to predict
[21:08] <stork> hey guys i'm trying to install mythbuntu on my media centre but the picture isn't coming out right (x server is all messed up, terminal windows work fine though); the computer is hooked up to a TV via s-video from a 6600GT, what should I do?
[21:09] <rhpot1991> administrator__: as much as you don't like it, thats the right answer, they don't set a timeline so your guess is as good as anyones
[21:11] <administrator__> I thought some developers visit this channel from time to time and their guess should be more accurate, than mine
[21:12] <stork> halp?
[21:12] <administrator__> stork did you try the driver from nvidia?
[21:13] <stork> hmm no i'll try that
[21:16] <administrator__> the proprietary ones
[21:45] <administrator__> there is a "commit changes" button in mythbuntu-control-centre->diskless server do I need to push it, whenever I changed something on the diskless client?


[10:45] <bittin-> Getting my Ubuntu Swag i ordered from ubuntu-fr today its on a postal van in Stockholm now
[12:11] <bittin-> got it now


[00:58] <BUGabundo> bedtime
[00:58] <BUGabundo> ** e [[]]
[02:00] <joetheodd> Is there a schedule for when the repositories get updated with new packages?
[02:00] <joetheodd> Or is it just at random?
[13:55] <maxb> Does anyone have working usplash in karmic?
[13:57] <rski> nup
[14:03] <ikonia> maxb: is there even a usplash package forr karmick yet ?
[14:04] <maxb> It's not changed since Jaunty, but that doesn't mean it's not in the archive.
[14:04] <tgpraveen> ikonia: maybe they are moving to plymouth already
[14:09] <ienorand> maxb: my usplash seems to be working fine, but presumably I'm still on the old one from jaunty
[14:09] <ikonia> maxb: so why test a jaunty package ?
[14:09] <maxb> But you've upgraded to karmic?
[14:10] <maxb> ikonia: Just because a package has not yet been updated since the start of the karmic cycle does not make it "not a karmic package"
[14:10] <maxb> The karmic archive is seeded with all the packages from jaunty
[14:10] <ikonia> maxb: yes but what's the point of testing it until it's packaged for karmick
[14:11] <maxb> It *is* packaged for Karmic
[14:11] <Pici> I don't remember usplash ever being active when I installed pre-releases.
[14:11] <Pici> I don't remember whether that was something I did or not though :/
[14:11] <maxb> Just because a new release cycle is opened doesn't magically make all the old packages invalid
[14:12] <ikonia> no it doesn't but it is probably it will be rebuilt
[14:13] <maxb> Unless you have a concrete reason for believing that a rebuild will fix the problem, that's entirely irrelevant
[14:14] <ikonia> I didn't say "fix the problem", I said I didn't see the point of it being tested as it would probably be rebuilt
[14:18] <maxb> ikonia: I find what you are saying to be very weird. That's like saying "I've found a bug, but I won't bother reporting it yet in case the next version fixes it."
[14:19] <ikonia> maxb: no, not quite what I was saying
[16:08] <G__81> hi everyone
[16:10] <rski> helo
[16:13] <G__81> has the 9.10 process started coz i would like to be part of it and installing 9.04 in vbox and going to upgrade it to 9.10
[16:13] <rski> yes
[16:15] <G__81> should i download an other 700 MB again after installing 9.04 or is it gonna be less?
[16:15] <gnomefreak> there are no ISO's yet
[16:15] <G__81> yes
[16:15] <G__81> true i am gonna do update-manager -d
[16:16] <ondisk> i'm pretty sure there's daily ISOs
[16:17] <ienorand> G__81: there is dailys atm
[16:17] <G__81> so if i do update-manager -d should i download 700 MB again ? :(
[16:18] <ienorand> G__81: I think that will only download ~400 :/
[17:38] <G__81> my 9.10 is upgrade is almost done but its trying to get the 522nd package for a very long time but the progress bar is almost complete
[17:38] <G__81> but its not hung
[17:38] <G__81> its not getting completed
[18:27] <G__81> the 9.10 is not booting in Vbox VM
[18:27] <G__81> it just waits in starting HALD
[19:24] <wilus-> ppl, does this install JauntyJackalope, have ext4 in install?
[19:25] <lamalex> wilus-: yeah
[19:25] <wilus-> lamalex: i can add it in install cd?
[19:25] <lamalex> what do you mean add it
[19:25] <lamalex> select it?
[19:25] <wilus-> select yea!
[19:26] <lamalex> yeah, desktop or alt
[19:26] <lamalex> both have it
[19:26] <wilus-> alt!
[19:26] <wilus-> ok i'll burn the alt cd now, dunno aboaut desktop ? what diff?
[19:38] <wilus-> ppl, does this install Jaunty UbuntuStudio, have ext4 in install?
[19:39] <Pici> wilus-: This is the Karmic Koala channel. Juanty support in #ubuntu and #ubuntustudio
[19:40] <wilus-> well sorry was meaning karmic !
[20:39] <taavikko> exit
[20:40] <taavikko> ups, sorry, :) trying to kill screen...
[20:45] <maxb> Hmm, I think I have my first broken Karmic system, with a non-starting hald :-)
[20:45] <ienorand> maxb: yay! \o/ :P
[20:46] <ienorand> maxb: any particular upgrade that might be guilty?
[20:46] <maxb> I'm guessing hal itself or dbus
[20:49] <ienorand> Yea, there was a recent upgrade of hal... wonder if i dare restart the computer now...
[20:49] <maxb> Well, if it helps any, hal wouldn't restart after the upgrade, so if it did for you, you're probably safe
[20:50] <ienorand> Ah ok, phewie.
[20:50]  * maxb boots into jaunty and invokes the power of chroot
[21:16] <LordKow> yay finally some breakage, things are back to normality
[21:27] <kklimonda> :}
[21:27] <maxb> Hmm. So, my hald is still refusing to start up. Any idea where it might send any debug output?
[21:28] <kklimonda> maxb: launchpad maybe?
[21:28] <maxb> !?!?!
[21:28] <ikonia> maxb: doesn't it log to the syslog ?
[21:28] <kklimonda> try ubuntu-bug hal
[21:28] <maxb> Erm, no.
[21:28] <kklimonda> oh god.. I'm blind :D
[21:28] <ikonia> kklimonda: ?? he's asking where the applicatoin logs
[21:29] <kklimonda> ikonia: i know, i know - sorry.. I was just reading too many bugs and obviously lost my sight ;)
[21:29] <ikonia> maxb: I can see some logging for hal interaction in xorg's logs and some debug info in the syslog
[21:30] <kklimonda> maxb: you can run it with --daemon=no --verbose=true and it will dump all info to terminal
[21:32] <kklimonda> maxb: you could also add --use-syslog --verbose=yes to /etc/default/hal and it should report everything to syslog..
[21:32] <ikonia> thats handy to know
[21:32] <maxb> Thanks!  hmm, this is annoying. If X actually starts up, then because HAL is missing, X has no input devices, so you can't even change VT!
[21:33] <ienorand> btw, is all of openoffice held back for you to? Seems to want to remove it if I do dist-upgrade, so I'm kinda sceptical on that...
[21:34] <kklimonda> ienorand: probably not all packages needed by new OOo were upgraded or uploaded to mirrors..
[21:35] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[21:35] <ienorand> hello there :)
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ola ienorand
[21:42] <GatoLoko> maxb maybe hal is being replaced with devicekit
[21:47] <LLStarks> ugh. anyone else having hal woes?
[21:48] <kklimonda> maxb
[21:49] <BUGabundo> hal woes??
[21:49] <maxb> hal blocking at bootup
[21:49] <LLStarks> latest 2 hal updates are killing karmic boxes
[21:52] <maxb> whoops, didn't spot there had been two today
[21:55] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: guess I shouldn't update then
[21:56] <ienorand> I updated hal and had no issues, I haven't tried the reboot yet though, but it seems to break before that if ever.
[21:57] <maxb> How do I make Ubuntu do everything *except* start gdm ?
[21:58] <LordKow> if you watch what's going on in ubuntu-dev the problem is known.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> old bug: any one noticing low transfer speed but much IO when coping files from one USB device to another?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> maxb: start on init2?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I think for a LONG time we don't have that!
[22:00] <maxb> Whoops I'm an idiot, I tried to roll back dbus but only rolled back dbus* not including libdbus*
[22:01] <LordKow> curse myself for accidentally deleting the jaunty livecd earlier
[22:01] <LordKow> maybe that was the jinx ;)
[22:04] <maxb> heh
[22:04] <maxb> yes, it's unwise to run karmic without alternative bootable media just in case :-)
[22:05] <maxb> Huh, new icon theme, interesting
[22:13] <BUGabundo> brb
[22:13] <BUGabundo> reboot
[22:13] <BUGabundo> bad resume from hibernate.... killing laptop with IO
[22:47] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: ping
[22:47] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: they are now active
[22:57]  * ienorand : Hmm, dbus upgrades...
[22:59] <BUGabundo1> humm
[23:00] <kklimonda> heh ;)
[23:00] <ienorand> and a big sucker as well, kinda hesitating on this one, maybe one should do a backup...
[23:03] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: what happened to you ?
[23:03] <BUGabundo1> hey ingenius
[23:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo1: i went to a store to buy something to drink ;D
[23:03] <BUGabundo1> empty fridge?
[23:04] <kklimonda> exactly :)
[23:07] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: that's a waste of electricy
[23:10] <kklimonda> BUGabundo1: i know, i know ;)
[23:55] <pace_t_zulu> anyone else having HALD problems today?
[23:55] <pace_t_zulu> with karmic
[23:56] <DanielRM> pace_t_zulu: yes, quite major.
[23:57] <pace_t_zulu> DanielRM: my install got nuked this morning
[23:57] <BUGabundo1> pace_t_zulu: HAL
[23:57] <DanielRM> pace_t_zulu: it's made X unusable following a reboot.
[23:57] <BUGabundo1> and yes, some users reporting it too, like maxb
[23:57] <DanielRM> And I can't remember how to set up mouse and keyboard manually in xorg.conf
[23:57] <maxb> The fix is well-known and being worked on right now
[23:57]  * BUGabundo1 is so glad to have made todays updates... can wait for a reboot... NOT
[23:57] <DanielRM> maxb: is it something users can apply manually until then?
[23:58] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo1: how do you go straight to cli at boot time?
[23:58] <DanielRM> BUGabundo1: what annoys me is that I *just* got back from the shower.
[23:58] <maxb> Meanwhile, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*dbus*_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_*.deb
[23:58] <DanielRM> pace_t_zulu: just use SysRq and R to get keyboard in raw mode; then you can drop from X.
[23:58] <maxb> Assuming you haven't cleaned your apt cache
[23:58] <BUGabundo1> pace_t_zulu: choose recovery console on GRUB
[23:58] <DanielRM> maxb: problem there. I always clean. :(
[23:58] <maxb> Unwise
[23:58] <DanielRM> I know.
[23:59] <DanielRM> But so's running out of space.
[23:59] <DanielRM> Although at least I'm not at risk from the main problem there since I started having /home on a separate partition.


[01:40] <Burgundavia> can someone take a look at bug 878 please?
[01:40] <Burgundavia> it is listed twice
[01:42] <mdke> Burgundavia, yo, i have forgotten to follow up on that bug that you asked me to, sorry
[01:44] <Burgundavia> I have forgotten to, so it must not be heart-stopping
[01:44] <mdke> no i don't think it is
[01:58] <Luciph3r> hola
[03:20] <mvo> bradb: is search not working right now in malone?
[03:22] <mvo> bradb: is it planed that one can use the mail adress when a bug is assigned? I wanted to assign a bug to myself and tried my mail adress first (out of bugzilla habit)
[03:24] <bradb> i've got a fix pending upload for that, yeah
[03:24] <mvo> bradb: and now that I have assigned the task to fix a bug (#1007) to myself it does not show up in my to-do list or in my assigned bugs?
[03:24] <bradb> mvo: searching appears to work for me
[03:24] <mvo> bradb: nice, thanks (about the search)
[03:25] <mvo> bradb: I used the bug-id (1007) as search term
[03:25] <mvo> searching for test seems to work
[03:26] <bradb> mvo: ah, bug id search broke, yeah. it wasn't well tested. i plan to fix that in the very near future (like todayish :)
[03:26] <mvo> bradb: ah, thanks. is there a seperate page about my open tasks? I wonder where my assigned tasks show :)
[03:28] <bradb> looking at that problem now. i expected the todo list link to work.
[03:29] <mvo> bradb: I just tried to mark one bug as a duplicate of another and I got a "constraint not satisfied" error (847->845)
[03:30] <bradb> 845 is a dup of 847 already.
[03:30] <bradb> we need to improve our error messages though. "constraint not satisified" doesn't tell you much. ;)
[03:30] <mvo> bradb: yes :)
[03:31] <mvo> bradb: about the to-do list, this works now, it looks like I have two accounts in launchpad (looks like one got added automatically)
[03:31] <mvo> bradb: so all is fine on the to-do list page now
[03:33] <bradb> mvo: that was my concern too (the dup accounts thing). good that things are sorted out.
[11:48] <wm_eddie_> What does Lanchpad run on?
[11:48] <wm_eddie_> Zope?


[15:40] <pleia2> astraljava: meeting in 20 minutes?
[15:44] <pleia2> 1,011 FOLLOWERS
[15:44] <pleia2> :D
[15:44] <pleia2> ^^ twitter
[16:04] <pleia2> ok, well I did have a couple items for the meeting, but not full meeting if I'm the only one here ;)
[16:05] <pleia2> 1. Now that we've reviewed /Short and /Long we should probably move them over to the QA wiki
[16:06] <pleia2> 2. People doing ISO testing for Xubuntu via the broader Ubuntu QA team still don't have a way to find /Short and /Long, can we talk to the Ubuntu QA team about adding links to the bottom of a couple of the tests saying "Next, if testing Xubuntu you do..." or just link them in the testcases on the tracker itself?
[16:07] <pleia2> I think that's all, I'll be around for the next couple hours
[16:33] <pleia2> so, shirt from zazzle: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/7575566200/sizes/o/
[16:33] <pleia2> :\
[16:33] <pleia2> I gave their support folks a nudge to see if this is what we should expect on their darker shirts
[16:34] <pleia2> (they're pretty expensive too!)
[16:35] <knome> pleia2, huh
[17:18] <hobgoblin> http://www.explosm.net/comics/2862/
[17:19] <hobgoblin> whoops :)
[17:19] <hobgoblin> channel fail lol
[17:20] <knome> no, user fail
[17:20] <knome> the channel didn't fail
[17:20] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:53] <pleia2> knome: where are we with the docs rewrite?
[18:32] <knome> we now have the groups of people...
[18:33]  * pleia2 nods
[18:33] <hobgoblin> anything else?
[18:37] <knome> nope.
[18:37] <knome> we should proceed with stuff, but i've been somewhat busy lately
[18:38] <knome> somebody want to grab and continue?


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[02:46] <cc> hello,does usb-type c-hdmi can be used on ubuntu touch?
 @cc [hello,does usb-type c-hdmi can be used on ubuntu touch?], only on devices that have hardware support for it. meizu pro 5 does not
[02:51] <cc> er....
[02:52] <cc> bad news
[02:59] <cc> i try to display to connect to my windows 10 noetbook,but it not success
[02:59] <cc> it told me,cant connect to my pc-name
 @cc [i try to display to connect to my windows 10 noetbook,but it not success], You csn connect to an external display wirelessly with a Meizu Pro 5 connectong to a Microsoft Wireless Display Adaptor.
 @cc [i try to display to connect to my windows 10 noetbook,but it not success], [Edit] You csn connect to an external display wirelessly with a Meizu Pro 5 by using a Microsoft Wireless Display Adaptor plugged into your external display.
 @cc [i try to display to connect to my windows 10 noetbook,but it not success], [Edit] You can connect to an external display wirelessly with a Meizu Pro 5 by using a Microsoft Wireless Display Adaptor plugged into your external display.
 @TotalSonic [You can connect to an external display wirelessly with a Meizu Pro 5 by using a …], do any kind of miracast-compatible dongle can do the similar job?
[03:12] <cc> ...
[03:13] <cc> you mean meizu pro5 can not connect to pc,but can connect display
[03:14] <cc> but the display must support wireless
 @cc [you mean meizu pro5 can not connect to pc,but can connect display], wireless display support is not well tested with adapters other than the Microsoft Wireless Display Adapter
 @PM5544 [do any kind of miracast-compatible dongle can do the similar job?], I do not know - I have only tested the Microsoft one
[03:19] <cc> is that>
[03:19] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/b4/be37a2357b458caf46f5d7b05240cf40c9246e.png
[03:20] <cc> it looks like usb-hdmi
[03:22] <cc> but it also need a  usb-tpye-c ,correct?
[03:23] <cc> ubtouch+usb-tpyec+usb-hdmi+display
[04:12] <ubptgbot> Abdalrohman97 was added by: Abdalrohman97
 @cc [it looks like usb-hdmi], The Microsoft Wirrless Display Adaptor needs to plug into both an HDMI input on the external display, as well as into a USB-A input on the display in order to power the adaptor.
 @cc [it looks like usb-hdmi], [Edit] The Microsoft Wireless Display Adaptor needs to plug into both an HDMI input on the external display, as well as into a USB-A input on the display in order to power the adaptor.
 @cc [it looks like usb-hdmi], [Edit] The Microsoft Wireless Display Adapter needs to plug into both an HDMI input on the external display, as well as into a USB-A input on the display in order to power the adapter.
[04:25] <cc> okey，thanks
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 @onezen5 [Thanks heaps! its for my digital clock....], There is also a RaspPi group here for UT
[08:36] <cc> guys,i use the command "chomd +R 777 /etc/ssh/“，i see someone use this to solve some question for sshd,then i do the same
[08:36] <cc> and now ,er....something goes wrong~
 @cc [guys,i use the command "chomd +R 777 /etc/ssh/“，i see someone use this to solve …], That (if spelt correctly) was a BAD IDEA.
[08:39] <cc> yes,i cant get root already~
 Update to Stable
[08:45] <cc> update to stable?
[08:45] <cc> what is stable?
 If you messed up your phone with Ubuntu Touch installed, switch to Stable channel in Settings:Updates, to get you back to a safe place
 If you were on Stable already, maybe switch to rc channel to get an update
 Or use the installer to start all over again :)
[09:09] <cc> i'm in
[09:09] <cc> Initial release
[09:10] <cc> this channel
[09:10] <cc> should i choose stable?
[09:10] <cc> er ,it's name is
[09:10] <cc> Release candidate ?
[09:11] <cc> i dont know how to translate in english
[09:12] <cc> 1.Developer release;2.edge;3.
[09:12] <cc> Release candidate;4.stable version
[09:23] <ubptgbot> <Laurel McAshes> @Stereofont [If you messed up your phone with Ubuntu Touch installed, switch to Stable channe …], I recently added some faulty script to rc.local and suddenly my phone began a reboot loop with a minor latency. Barely made it to move the script with the included terminal, so I could continue messing up with the phone. ;-)
 cc if you installed using the installer in a supported device, choose rc or stable from the menu. Whichever one updates for you. If this is a build for a ported device, start again fresh
[12:04] <ubptgbot> <duggal karan> https://t.me/IND_Assassin
 spam
 @NotKit delete this
[12:05] <ubptgbot> <duggal karan> no
 context?
 I have no power in this group
 only Porting/Halium
 aw
 @duggal karan [no], your trash ❤
[12:06] <ubptgbot> <duggal karan> i am linux lover
 that doesn't allow you to post the links to another groups tho,
[12:06] <ubptgbot> <duggal karan> okkk
[12:07] <ubptgbot> <duggal karan> i guide linux in hindi
 remove the link pls
 ty
 @NotKit [I have no power in this group], What did you want to do?
 he just pinged me about spam, but with both messages removed context is lost
 Ah okay 👍
 Guys, tell me, has anyone come across such an answer? "make: aarch64-linux-android-gcc: Command not found" … Installed everything that is possible and necessary and not necessary, but the error still falls out when trying to do "make clean" or something like that
 I'm really shocked to try to compile the kernel for turbo, as I recently uncovered (from guys in rus chanel), anbox can plays video (albeit with slight brakes) and sound. Apparently the turbo has a problem in the kernel
 I think this belongs in Halium group, not here?
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[16:07] <ubptgbot> Veri Hendrian was added by: Veri Hendrian
[16:12] <ubptgbot> <Veri Hendrian> can i install ubuntu touch emulator on my pc.my os is pop os based ubuntu 20.04
 @Veri Hendrian [can i install ubuntu touch emulator on my pc.my os is pop os based ubuntu 20.04], please don't cross-post questions. thanks
[16:13] <ubptgbot> <Veri Hendrian> why
[16:13] <ubptgbot> <Veri Hendrian> i interest ubuntu touch
 @Veri Hendrian [why], cause you're spamming
[16:13] <ubptgbot> <Veri Hendrian> iam want to try u touch in my pc
 yes and you were answered in the other group where you asked :)
 i'm sure you don't want to have multiple parallel discussions on the same topic across multiple groups simultaneously, and neither does pretty much anyone else. it's best to ask in one place and then either you will get an answer or be redirected to a better place to ask, usually
 not to mention most of us are in all of the ubports groups
 how many ubports groups there are?
 i'm on 5
 About 20 but many are language based
 Im on Halium, Ubports, Ubports porting, and UBports Overflow, theres aso the food one Im on, but that typically has 0 ubports discussion on there
 The food group is just one that I ran after Simon Quigley pressured me into making it lol. But I prefer the join link not be posted in public. For some reason the word "cooking" makes the spambots more aggressive toward it.
 yeah, but the cooking one hasnt had much spam activity, except for the canned meat lol
 Not any more. There was a time that it was really bad. We lost half our members :(
 ahh, well since Ive joined that group like 1.5 years ago, I think Ive only seen 1 spammer in there
 was it last month?
 probably i also seen this guy
 [Edit] probably i also saw this guy
 @Shakendo [yeah, but the cooking one hasnt had much spam activity, except for the canned me …], hey, there's nothing wrong with the canned meat!
 @PiecerEdd [hey, there's nothing wrong with the canned meat!], technically no, but its very much not healthy
 Take it to the cooking group lol
 😆
 wait... theres a ubports cooking group? is this separate to the cooking of ubuntu group?
 nope
 ahh good
[16:48] <ubptgbot> <Veri Hendrian> please make port ubuntu touch for huawei mate 10 pro
 someone who owns the device would have to do the port
 @Veri Hendrian [please make port ubuntu touch for huawei mate 10 pro], Can you even unlock the boot loader on those?
 @TotalSonic [Can you even unlock the boot loader on those?], if you pay I think
 @hacker12455 [if you pay I think], Seems there are some unlocked ones on the marketplace - and looks to be Halium 7 - so it might be possible if one owned one.
 yeah that too
[17:32] <ubptgbot> jleeblanch was added by: jleeblanch
 @hacker12455 [if you pay I think], [Edit] Seems there are some unlocked ones on the marketplace - and looks to be Halium 8 - so it might be possible if one owned one.
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[19:07] <ubptgbot> <Silas Santana> @dohbee [someone who owns the device would have to do the port], Redmi note 8
[19:07] <ubptgbot> <Silas Santana> Can u port for me?
[19:07] <ubptgbot> <Silas Santana> Or help me
 @Silas Santana [Can u port for me?], how would he port for you if he does not have this device
 @Silas Santana [Or help me], Info is here - http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <Silas Santana> @TotalSonic [Info is here - http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … htt …], Okay thanks
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 Hi all guys!
 hey
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[00:02] <robru> blam
[01:54] <popey> robru, whoever runs that bot might want to remove the colon after the url, some irc clients treat it as part of the url, so when you click it, it 404s
[02:02] <robru> popey: buggy irc client!
[05:52] <robru> popey: ^^ ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?! :-P
[05:56] <robru> Incredible, translation updates push to trunk, invalidates all the silos. It's beautiful <3
[08:37] <mardy> trainguards, can we just force https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/591 to land somehow? The failures are intermittent, and apparently related to CI infra
[08:40] <robru> mardy: that's actually landed and would merge right now but there seems to be a train problem, I'm looking into it
[08:40] <mardy> robru: cool, thanks! :-)
[08:41] <Mirv> mardy: yes, it's now really landed.
[08:41] <Mirv> robru: not really a problem maybe, migrated 36 minutes ago, maybe just not updated yet?
[08:41] <Mirv> mardy: you can see it's now in release pocket https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/online-accounts-api
[08:41] <robru> Mirv: no there's a crazy traceback in the migration script: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/check-publication-migration/27122/console
[08:41] <mardy> Mirv, robru: but trunk is not updated, is it?
[08:43] <mardy> (the MP doesn't appear to be merged)
[08:45] <robru> mardy: no the train is broken, I'm working on it.
[08:46] <mardy> robru: good luck :-)
[08:47] <Mirv> mardy: yes, it'd be normally right after it migrates, and the ticket would show "Landed"
[08:48] <Mirv> mardy: we could force it now that there are no proposed migration problems, but I assume robru is wanting to fix it for real so let's wait a bit
[08:48] <robru> mardy: thanks, this one is weird.
[08:48] <robru> mardy: yeah are you blocked on this? we can force merge if you're in a hurry but I'd like to fix it proper and see it be fixed before I go to bed
[08:49] <mardy> robru, Mirv: no hurry, better fix it once and for all, if possible :-)
[08:49] <jibel> robru, can you remove the 'request autopkgtest' button from bileto until it is functional?
[08:49] <jibel> it is just confusing and link to the build artifacts are lost
[08:49] <robru> jibel: can people not be trusted not to click it? :-/
[08:50] <jibel> robru, no they don't
[08:51] <jibel> sil2100, is the changes bot running?
[08:51] <sil2100> Not if the instance went down again... let me check
[08:52] <sil2100> eh, can't log in as chinstrap is still down, need VPN, one moment
[08:55] <robru> mardy: Mirv: ok fix in trunk, will hit production in ~20 and then we can try this again
[08:56] <robru> jibel: seems nobody clicked it since the last time I cleared it out...
[08:58] <robru> sil2100: Mirv: btw if somebody clicks that 'request autopkgtest' button and then they want to give up on it (stop watching for results) you can do that by: rm -vrf ~/silos/*/*/*_autopkgtest
[09:07] <sil2100> robru: ACK
[09:07] <sil2100> jibel: ok, looks like it works
[09:07] <sil2100> jibel: the job runs every 30 minutes so maybe it had a delay or something
[09:11] <Mirv> robru: thanks!
[09:12] <robru> well technically what I said would clear it for *all* silos but there aren't any silos that are using this currently so it's a minor difference.
[09:13] <Mirv> robru: wasn't the force merge supposed to still be there for trainguards? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-042-3-merge-clean/build?delay=0sec
[09:14] <robru> Mirv: it's always forced now, because only trainguards can run it, and the non-force was completely redundant
[09:15] <Mirv> robru: makes sense, then there's another problem with that since it failed, maybe because I just removed one MP from there
[09:15] <robru> Mirv: (the failure you got is the same one that bit mardy, fix will hit production in 2 minutes)
[09:17] <Mirv> robru: ah... great
[09:17] <robru> Mirv: why are you merging 42? one of the packages isn't at dest...
[09:18] <robru> mardy: https://code.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/online-accounts-api/trunk done
[09:18] <robru> sorry for the hassle
[09:19] <robru> Mirv: it'll work now anyway, confirmed ^^
[09:19] <mardy> robru: my hero! Thanks!! :-)
[09:19] <Mirv> robru: because unity-lens-music will go to another landing
[09:19] <Mirv> robru: it was added after it was published
[09:19] <robru> mardy: you're welcome
[09:19] <robru> Mirv: weird, ok
[09:20] <Mirv> robru: mzanetti and me can't find anything that has new commits in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/621
[09:20] <Mirv> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/ubuntuanimations/+merge/276511 has one commit on the day of the build, but that's also in the sources
[09:20] <Mirv> mzanetti: maybe someone uncommitted again something and push --overwrite:d?
[09:21] <robru> Mirv: mzanetti: the new commit is on trunk. you can discover this by clicking 'status' and scrolling down to the part where it checks your silo, it will list the URL that has new commits.
[09:21] <mzanetti> on trunk... dafuq...
[09:21]  * mzanetti looks
[09:21] <Mirv> robru: Status is a link!!! :D sorry...
[09:22] <robru> Mirv: everything orange is clickable.
[09:22] <Mirv> yeah, I know, I just had skipped that somehow
[09:22] <Mirv> robru: ah, many trunks get translation updates all the time
[09:22] <robru> Mirv: it's a bit  unfortunate in this case as the migration script has one log for all silos, so you have to scroll literally to the bottom to find silo 60
[09:23] <Mirv> robru: that's alright
[09:23] <robru> Mirv: yeah this is a bit iffy. I added this check for the case when a conflicting silo finally merges, so you know to rebuild to incorporate the conflict. translations throws a wrench in that though
[09:25] <robru> Mirv: I suppose I'll have to work out a way so that it only sets the status if the new commits are not translation commits, but that seems a bit hard & slow (so in addition to iterating over every MP in every silo I'd also have to iterate on every commit in every branch in every silo to make sure the new ones are only translations).
[09:25] <Mirv> that's slow yes
[09:25] <robru> sigh, I need to file some bugs
[09:31] <mzanetti> robru, can it be that it complains about the launchpad translation commits?
[09:31] <robru> mzanetti: yes
[09:31] <Mirv> mzanetti: that's what we just discussed
[09:31] <Mirv> mzanetti: I'll publish the silo manually copying, since they're all universe packages
[09:31] <mzanetti> oh, sorry
[09:32] <mzanetti> Mirv, I guess we can revert the translation commit, lp should redo it tonight then...
[09:32] <robru> Mirv: try publish job? I think it should work
[09:32] <mzanetti> Mirv, whatever you think it's easier
[09:32] <Mirv> robru: bad state https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-060-2-publish/8/console
[09:32] <robru> ah
[09:34] <Mirv> mzanetti: ah damn, unity-api is actually in main :(
[09:34] <Mirv> mzanetti: just means I need that one copied by someone else
[09:35] <mzanetti> please stop scaring the sh*t out of me :D
[09:35] <sil2100> Mirv: sorry! I MIRed it recently ;p
[09:36] <Mirv> sil2100: damn you! :)
[09:37] <Mirv> mzanetti: 060 is already published to vivid overlay now :) just waiting for a core-dev to copy unity-api to xenial, I copied the other two
[09:39] <mzanetti> thanks a bunch Mirv
[09:42] <Mirv> mzanetti: ok seb128 helped us, let's keep the silo until we see that proposed migration happens in xenial. but it's now there too.
[09:44] <mzanetti> Mirv, and again, tanks a lot :)
[09:45] <robru> Mirv: migration script starts in a minute, will take 20 minutes to update the status for silo 60 tho
[09:45] <seb128> jibel, I think that comment saying that indicator-datetime is not translated is probably the uitk template/timestamps strings not being translated
[09:50] <Trevinho> Mirv: added new silo, but generated changelog is so wrong.... https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-042/+packages :-(
[09:53] <robru> Trevinho: what's wrong with it? looks actually reasonable to me
[09:53] <Trevinho> robru: oh, i maybe see the reason... It uses https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-music/saucy as base
[09:53] <Trevinho> robru: it's wrong since he only change should be the icon change
[09:54] <Trevinho> this is suspicious -Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-music/trunk
[09:54] <Trevinho> +Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-music/saucy
[09:54] <robru> Trevinho: yup, pointing your MP at saucy would cause a goofy changelog
[09:54] <Trevinho> yeah.... it was proposed to the wrong branch ./
[09:55] <robru> Trevinho: no big deal then, repropose and rebuild
[09:57] <mzanetti> Mirv, should it have merged the code by now?
[09:58] <robru> mzanetti: no, it *just* published. it's so new the train hasn't even noticed it's published yet
[09:58] <mzanetti> heh, ok
[09:58] <robru> mzanetti: it'll sit in proposed for a bit, the ticket status will show 'Proposed pocket' for a while, then it'll merge some hours later
[09:58] <mzanetti> right
[10:00] <xavigarcia> rvr: Hi there
[10:00] <xavigarcia> rvr: silo 51 is again ready to QA... I've fixed the issues you found on the warning dialog and I've also updated the test plan
[10:01] <rvr> xavigarcia: Yeah, I saw it, thanks
[10:01] <xavigarcia> rvr: np
[10:04] <Mirv> mzanetti: proposed migration
[10:05] <Mirv> mzanetti: hours at minimum, then check http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8 if it's stuck for real
[10:05] <Mirv> mzanetti: it's not wanted that stuff gets thrown to xenial and forgotten, therefore we wait for the migration tests
[10:12] <Trevinho> robru: it's still wrong... :(
[10:15] <robru> Trevinho: look at thebranches, they're different.
[10:15] <Trevinho> mh
[10:15]  * Trevinho should rebase...
[10:15] <robru> Trevinho: I duno what branch you started with but it doesn't look like the trusty branch
[10:15] <Trevinho> yeah, it wasn't a my branch... So you're right
[10:16] <robru> Trevinho: hm they match at commit 148, so 149 is this anomalous commit, not sure where that came from 2 years ago
[10:17] <robru> Trevinho: also double-check the bzr tags. that's how the train generates the changelog. it looks for the most recent bzr tag on the branch and includes everything after that in the changelog, so find the most recent release commit and tag it with the version number of that release, should stop the train from including anything older than that in the log
[10:18] <Trevinho> ok
[10:21] <robru> Mirv: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/060 crap, it won't auto-merge as long as that 'needs rebuild' is in there.
[10:22] <robru> Mirv: might have to merge it manually... or delete the translation commit ;-)
[10:33] <Mirv> robru: ah right. well I'll merge it manually once migration is done
[10:34] <robru> Mirv: sorry about that, as usual corner cases ruin a brilliant plan
[10:38] <Mirv> robru: :) heh, but eventually that brilliant plan works! like these auto-updating statuses and everything that is now there.
[10:39] <robru> Mirv: yeah that's slick. it's about to get slicker, too. I'm parallelizing it so a) it's way faster and b) when you click Status you only see the log for the request you clicked on, don't have to search through all silo.
[11:19] <rvr> pstolowski: ping
[11:21] <pstolowski> rvr, pong
[11:22] <rvr> pstolowski: I think silo 60 already landed
[11:22] <pstolowski> rvr, great, that means i can rebuild the other one
[11:23] <pstolowski> rvr, nope, not merged yet
[11:24] <rvr> Oh
[11:40] <jibel> xavigarcia, about silo 51 when the phone rings it's a bit weird to see the volume notification with label 'headphone' then the notification again with the label 'speaker' when the call ends. Is it really the expected behaviour?
[11:40] <jibel> rvr, ^ did you see that too last time you tested this silo?
[11:43] <xavigarcia> jibel: not sure about that... I should ask design.. But it looks a bit weird... yeah
[11:46] <Mirv> pstolowski: rvr: unity8 is still in xenial-proposed, so no merging
[11:58] <rvr> jibel: Nope, I do not remember that problem
[12:01] <jibel> rvr, xavigarcia ok, silo blocked until you have a confirmation
[12:04] <xavigarcia> jibel: ack
[12:08] <popey> The twitter scope, is it in the store or only on the image?
[12:08] <popey> asking for a friend :)
[12:08] <jibel> xavigarcia, about silo 6 indicator-location when is the indicator supposed to be removed from the panel? currently it is removed when the user turns GPS off, it should be when location is switched off, or like the spec says after 5 min without an access to the location service.
[12:09] <jibel> ?
[12:10] <xavigarcia> jibel: Following the specs stated in the bug it should not appear
[12:10] <xavigarcia> jibel: And GPS is controlled from the settings
[12:10] <xavigarcia> jibel: that's what I understood
[12:11] <jibel> xavigarcia, okay, I double check and confirm in a minute
[12:12] <xavigarcia> jibel: https://docs.google.com/document/edit?hgd=1&id=1810KDpFl2Mxsn1z3wehPU9pkbS6R6o-j1-pmYpkYb7A#
[12:12] <bzoltan_> jibel: Mirv: the silo10 has the corrected UITK translation  files. No code changes
[12:16] <Mirv> bzoltan_: looks correct
[12:16] <Mirv> both .pot + .po:s
[12:19] <jibel> xavigarcia_lunch, actually both location detection and gps must be switched off to remove the icon from the panel. Given that there is only one switch left in the indicator, switching it off should be enough to remove the icon, isn't it?
[12:20] <jibel> bzoltan_, thanks, I trust you checked every single string for invalid characters? :)
[12:20] <xavigarcia_lunch> jibel: mmm, I guess so... and it's not doing it, right?
[12:20] <jibel> xavigarcia_lunch, nope
[12:21] <jibel> xavigarcia_lunch, you must disable location detection and gps from system settings
[12:21] <xavigarcia_lunch> jibel: ok.... will fix it then. Thanks for finding out
[12:21] <pete-woods> trainguards: hi guys. got a silo for indicator-network that switches out our vendored menu harness for the newly packaged gmenuharness
[12:21] <pete-woods> needs a packaging ack: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-038-2-publish/18/artifact/indicator-network_content.diff
[12:21] <pete-woods> thanks to anyone with spare cycles to have a look
[12:21] <jibel> xavigarcia_lunch, yw, design should also clarified the spec on this specific point.
[12:21] <xavigarcia_lunch> jibel: yeah
[12:22] <pete-woods> whoops, better diff (https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-038-2-publish/18/artifact/indicator-network_packaging_changes.diff)
[12:22] <xavigarcia_lunch> jibel: I wil ping them before pushing anything, to confirn
[12:22] <jibel> xavigarcia_lunch, thanks
[12:22] <xavigarcia_lunch> jibel: np
[12:26] <bzoltan_> jibel:  No I did not. I would lie if I would say that I have checked 5594 strings. but I have checked those what were messed up yesterday
[12:27] <Mirv> pete-woods: how switching libraries would not require QA, or is that the same identical code now separated to own package?
[12:29] <jibel> bzoltan_, np :) approved
[12:30] <bzoltan_> jibel:  thanks.. it was a lame bug. I will never trust chromium browser again... vi rules
[12:31] <jibel> bzoltan_, heh, sorry we missed it too
[12:31] <jibel> or found too late
[12:32] <abeato> Mirv, I need to upload http://people.canonical.com/~abeato/qtmultimedia-opensource-src/ to silo 9 :)
[12:38] <pete-woods> Mirv: the lib is only used in the test suite, the indicator doesn't get affected at all
[12:38] <pete-woods> it's a library a bit like autopilot
[12:38] <pete-woods> but for gmenus
[12:39] <pete-woods> we just want to use the same lib across all the indicators, rather than copying
[12:39] <Mirv> abeato: ok
[12:39] <Mirv> pete-woods: ok
[12:39] <Mirv> ok ok
[12:40] <abeato> Mirv, ok thanks
[12:40] <Mirv> abeato: how's the upstreaming faring with Jim + Yoann? you should probably divide the upstreaming work between you two and offload as much as possible to Yoann
[12:41] <abeato> Mirv, I think Jim already synced with upstream, this upload is for something wrong we noticed, I'll sync back with jhodapp once he is around
[12:42] <Mirv> abeato: no, there is zero upstreaming work done: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/q/project:qt/qtmultimedia,n,z so far
[12:43] <Mirv> abeato: the current qtmultimedia that is shipping in our overlay is diverged from the July upstream commit and has new features that are not in upstream, so the plan is 1. you get it working, 2. you upstream all new features, 3. you drop the current qtmultimedia API you have and replace with what is in upstream.
[12:43] <abeato> Mirv, ok, didn't really know the status, as is Jim the one handling this
[12:43] <Mirv> abeato: bug #1514344 is to follow it. ok. I just occasionally ask since we're basically walking on a thin line by shipping something that is actually rejected by upstream, and just hoping no-one starts to use the API in our stable release since it will be dropped.
[12:44] <Mirv> abeato: anyway, uploaded to the PPA since we've agreed this is the situation currently
[12:44] <abeato> Mirv, understood, I agree with the plan too
[12:46] <anpok_> cihelp: there seems to be a problem with unity-system-compositor-cir -> unity-system-compositor-xenial-amd-ci has problems with pbuilder
[12:46] <anpok_> http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-system-compositor-xenial-amd64-ci/5/console
[12:48] <pete-woods> Mirv: thanks! :)
[12:52] <Mirv> pete-woods: yw!
[12:54] <bzoltan_> jibel: it would be fun to make a simple script to test if the strings are sensible.
[12:55] <jibel> bzoltan_, sure, if you find a definition of 'sensible string'
[12:55] <jibel> it can be anything
[12:56] <bzoltan_> jibel: I will think about it.. I have an idea
[13:02] <jibel> kenvandine, there are at least 2 problems with the custom ringtones silos: 1. custom sound is removed from the list when user selects another sound, 2. The custom sound is also available in message notifications
[13:02] <jibel> kenvandine, also I noticed that 'Alarm Clock' is the first ringtone, is it expected?
[13:03] <jibel> note that this last point has nothing to do with the silo
[13:03] <kenvandine> it's alphabetical
[13:03] <jibel> kenvandine, yeah, but is it expect to have alarm clock as a ringtone ?
[13:03] <kenvandine> also, the design calls for the custom ringtone to be removed
[13:04] <kenvandine> jibel: i don't know if anyone thought about that, but it's in the directory with all the ringtones
[13:05] <kenvandine> jibel: good point on the ringtone showing up under messages
[13:05] <kenvandine> i'll fix that
[13:07] <jibel> kenvandine, it's a really annoying to remove it. custom background are not removed when the user picks another one
[13:07] <kenvandine> yeah, we don't have a design for managing them
[13:07] <kenvandine> the design is quite simplistic
[13:07] <kenvandine> it'll evolve though
[13:08] <kenvandine> we'll eventually add a loop selector, so you can select a clip from a song to repeat
[13:08] <jibel> kenvandine, we could keep one at least and replace it when the user selects a different custom sound
[13:08] <kenvandine> when we work on that i'll push design to do something about managing custom ringtones
[13:08] <kenvandine> jibel: we could, but that would require a lot of refactoring of the panel
[13:09] <kenvandine> not UI
[13:09] <kenvandine> just implementation
[13:09] <kenvandine> and the way we maintain the list
[13:09] <kenvandine> jibel: which we'll need to do when we add the loop stuff
[13:13] <kenvandine> jibel: i just pushed a fix for the ringtone showing up in the messages lists, rebuilding silo now
[13:15] <seb128> jibel, kenvandine, I think the alarm clock one is there because we don't have a directory specific for the clock/reminder
[13:16] <seb128> we only have ringtones and messages
[13:18] <rvr> Mirv: ping
[13:19] <jibel> seb128, okay, it's just a bit odd.
[13:20] <seb128> jibel, agree, we would need to a separate set of sounds for alarm&reminders
[13:20] <seb128> seems like a valid request for design
[13:20] <jibel> seb128, I'll file a bug
[13:20] <seb128> thanks
[13:42] <pstolowski> rvr, silo 14 rebuilt and looks good, ready for qa
[13:45] <jibel> pstolowski, thanks, unblocked
[13:53] <jhodapp> Mirv, zero is definitely not true, most of it is upstreamed
[13:54] <jhodapp> Mirv, we've backported our qdeclarativeplaylist API to the 5.7 dev API upstream...so now there's just a tiny bit that needs upstreaming that's not part of an API
[13:55] <tvoss> sil2100, around?
[14:25] <davmor2> sil2100, jibel, morphis: Finally the bluez5 silos are ready to land sil2100 can you spin up an image once they do please
[14:26] <abeato> davmor2, morphis \o/
[14:27] <abeato> morphis, well done :)
[14:27] <davmor2> sil2100: can you give me a ping once the image builds then please then I need to test across all four devices
[14:27] <morphis> YEAH!!!!
[14:32] <jibel> davmor2, great, lets celebrate \o/
[14:35] <pmcgowan> oh my
[14:39] <davmor2> pmcgowan: it's only taken a week of debugging and morphis patiently fixing to get it landed \o/
[14:39] <pmcgowan> well done morphis and davmor2
[14:39] <morphis> pmcgowan: thanks
[14:39] <morphis> pmcgowan: but be prepared... the suspend issue you discovered will be still there on arale :)
[14:41] <pmcgowan> morphis, oh thats not good
[14:41] <pmcgowan> enjoying my current battery life
[14:42] <morphis> pmcgowan: we need to land this big thing first
[14:42] <morphis> but investigation on the suspend issue is ongoing
[14:44] <Mirv> jhodapp: abeato: I meant that there are no commits in upstream since August. thanks for adapting to the Source -> Items though, that's a big win! but also addItems and moveItem are in API and not in upstream. plus then any bugfixes of course.
[14:44] <jhodapp> Mirv, yep, I'll be working on the last bits of that today
[14:44] <jhodapp> Mirv, upstreaming
[14:47] <morphis> sil2100: when there are any problems merging all three silos please ping me
[14:49] <jhodapp> sil2100, hey I heard you maintain ubuntu-touch-meta? It has a media-hub dependency on version 3 and silo 9 is going to land version 4, so its dependency needs updating
[14:51]  * popey joins the queue for sil2100
[14:51] <popey> sil2100, is there a plan to have a mid-way fix between OTA-8 and OTA-9?
[14:51] <popey> or am I dreaming?
[14:52] <popey> pmcgowan, ^ maybe you know actually
[14:52] <Mirv> jhodapp: excellent, the silo 009 is a result of long hard work but OTA-9 will basically resolve then ~everything
[14:53] <Mirv> morphis: davmor2: 2/3 silos published, 043 needs core dev
[14:53] <pmcgowan> popey, we are considering it yes
[14:53] <jhodapp> Mirv, yes indeed, and thanks!
[14:53] <popey> k
[14:53] <popey> 25/12/2015? :)
[14:53] <pmcgowan> popey, for special fixes
[14:53] <pmcgowan> yeah
[14:53] <popey> oh, not for general landings?
[14:54] <pmcgowan> no
[14:54] <pmcgowan> just cherry icks
[14:54] <pmcgowan> picks
[14:54] <popey> okay. ahayzen jhodapp ^
[14:54] <popey> we were wondering about the media stuff
[14:54] <ahayzen> popey, no we were saying will there be a framework bump for OTA9
[14:54] <jhodapp> popey, I'm fine with it going out with OTA9
[14:54] <popey> oh
[14:55] <ahayzen> popey, or are you asking multiple questions? ;-)
[14:55] <popey> i misunderstood, fair enough
[14:55] <popey> maybe, yes, that
[14:55] <popey> ahem
[14:56] <ahayzen> otherwise we'll end up with the usual situation of people on OTA8 trying to run a music-app that won't run due to media-hub/mediascanner2 changes in OTA9 etc
[14:58] <morphis> Mirv: wow
[14:58] <morphis> Mirv: anyone we can ping to get this done now?
[14:58] <Mirv> morphis: on #ubuntu-devel, I'll ask
[14:59] <morphis> Mirv: thanks
[15:02] <sil2100> jhodapp: on it! Sorry, I had some visitors ;)
[15:02] <jhodapp> sil2100, awesome thank you!
[15:02] <jhodapp> sil2100, you can put that into silo 9 with our changes if desired
[15:09] <dobey> kenvandine: hey, can i bug you for a packaging ack? :)
[15:09] <davmor2> sil2100: what kinda excuse is that???
[15:11] <sil2100> davmor2: a good one!
[15:12] <davmor2> sil2100: who would you normally pick on core dev wise for landing like 43?
[15:15] <kenvandine> dobey, in a few :)
[15:17] <sil2100> hmmm
[15:17] <sil2100> cyphermox, kenvandine: hey guys! I would need someone to publish the bluez silo (silo 43)
[15:23] <cyphermox> sil2100: ok
[15:23] <sil2100> jhodapp: hey, I'll prepare the seed change locally and upload once you release the package - reason is that we're about to land the bluez silo which already has ubuntu-touch-meta
[15:23] <jhodapp> sil2100, let me know when you've pushed the change to ubuntu-touch-meta and I'll make sure that media-hub*3 can be removed without breaking things
[15:23] <sil2100> So we'll have to re-build
[15:24] <jhodapp> sil2100, lol good timing :)
[15:24] <sil2100> jhodapp: yeah ;) Well, I could upload, but that would be pointless as we'll have to rebuild anyway
[15:24] <jhodapp> sil2100, so is that an issue, because like I said we'll have media-hub 3 and 4 installed then
[15:24] <sil2100> jhodapp: well, once you land it, I can publish the seed change before the new media-hub gets into an image
[15:25] <jhodapp> ah perfect, ok
[15:25] <jhodapp> that's a good plan then
[15:25] <kenvandine> dobey, link for the packaging ack?
[15:26] <dobey> kenvandine: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/668 is the silo
[15:26] <dobey> the request
[15:29] <davmor2> cyphermox: \o/ thanks dude
[15:33] <tvoss> sil2100, hey there :) could you cancel the outstanding builds for powerpc for https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-021/+packages
[15:33] <tvoss> sil2100, they will fail and I'm tired of waiting
[15:33] <sil2100> tvoss: sure, ok
[15:34] <sil2100> tvoss: cancelled ;)
[15:34] <tvoss> sil2100, thank you
[15:35] <jhodapp> jibel, background playlists are ready for testing, it should show up in the QA Trello board shortly (silo 9)
[15:35] <jhodapp> jibel, let me or abeato know if there's any questions
[15:36] <kenvandine> dobey, good to go, should i publish?
[15:38] <dobey> kenvandine: yes please. thanks!
[15:40] <cjwatson> tvoss: I'm sorry about the wait.  Somebody (*glares at suspect*) put all the builders on manual without telling us about it or explaining why.
[15:40] <tvoss> cjwatson, no worries :)
[15:54] <tvoss> sil2100, I would appreciate a review here: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/enable-dual-landing/+merge/278143
[15:56] <sil2100> tvoss: looking after the meeting :)
[16:23] <morphis> robru, sil2100, Mirv: you saw the discussion around version numbers in #ubuntu-devel?
[16:26] <xavigarcia> jibel: Hi there, I've already talked to design and we agreed that when switching off the Location switch it will make hide the location icon
[16:26] <xavigarcia> jibel: silo 6 shoud be again ready with that change
[16:27] <xavigarcia> jibel: there is a 5 minute delay showing the icon that is not clear yet, they already added a note to the specs stating that
[17:03] <jdstrand> sil2100, pmcgowan: when did we start shipping 15.10 frameworks on the device? I see the folloing on mako:
[17:03] <jdstrand> $ ls -1 /usr/share/click/frameworks/*15.10*
[17:03] <jdstrand> /usr/share/click/frameworks/ubuntu-sdk-15.10-dev1.framework
[17:03] <jdstrand> /usr/share/click/frameworks/ubuntu-sdk-15.10-html-dev1.framework
[17:03] <jdstrand> /usr/share/click/frameworks/ubuntu-sdk-15.10-papi-dev1.framework
[17:03] <jdstrand> /usr/share/click/frameworks/ubuntu-sdk-15.10-qml-dev1.framework
[17:04] <jdstrand> I find this very confusing. how can a 15.04 stable system have 15.10 frameworks?
[17:04] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, it shouldnt we should have removed that
[17:04] <jdstrand> (not to mention, click-apparmor in the overlay doesn't know what to do with them, so if an app targeted it, it would blow up)
[17:04] <jdstrand> ok, good
[17:04] <jdstrand> well, for some definition of good
[17:05] <pmcgowan> sil2100, we were supposed to take thse out when we went to 15.04.1
[17:05] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: shall I file a bug?
[17:05] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, yes please
[17:07] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/+bug/1518393
[17:40] <sil2100> pmcgowan: will remove those as well, yeah...
[17:41] <robru> morphis: I saw mention of version numbers but I didn't follow what the problem was our what the desired behavior was. Please file a bug against lp:cupstream2distro explaining it in detail
[17:42] <davmor2> sil2100:  if all the bluez5 stuff landed are you able to spin up a new image please, not sure if you got my earlier request
[17:46] <pmcgowan> sil2100, they are ok on xenial but not on vivid overlay
[17:54] <sil2100> davmor2: looks landed indeed, checking if everything is published and I'll kick an image now
[17:54] <sil2100> pmcgowan: yeah, not sure how those ended up in our vivid seeds, maybe I copied them over by accident
[17:55] <davmor2> sil2100: blame the Spanish inquisition nobody will expect that ;)d
[17:56] <sil2100> It's building now :)
[17:59] <davmor2> sil2100: \o/
[18:31] <robru> hmmmmm
[18:33] <robru> kenvandine: do you know what's going on with https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/54 ? seems an old landing, not sure what happened there...
[18:34] <kenvandine> robru, oh... that wasn't supposed to be merged
[18:34] <kenvandine> it was an experimental silo
[18:34] <robru> kenvandine: yeah I don't know why the train is trying to merge it, since it's not landed.
[18:34] <robru> unless the version numbers match or something...
[18:34] <kenvandine> robru, can i edit the silo then kick a rebuild?
[18:35] <kenvandine> it's still useful for us
[18:35] <robru> kenvandine: yeah
[18:37] <robru> kenvandine: oh, haha, false alarm. it wasn't trying to merge it, there's just a bug causing the error to *say* merge&clean.
[18:38] <kenvandine> robru, good
[18:39] <robru> kenvandine: side effect of sloppy imports. the 'X failed:' prefix for exception messages is set at import time rather than runtime and the merging code gets *imported* in that script so it uses that prefix on exceptions
[18:43] <robru> kenvandine: you can force build to overcome that ^
[18:51] <kenvandine> robru, thx
[18:52] <robru> kenvandine: you're welcome
[18:57] <fginther> anpok, I'm looking at the unity-system-compositor problem you reported. If I find the fix, I'll rebuild that MP
[18:59] <anpok> thx!
[19:11] <fginther> anpok, it looks like this build was triggered from a manual rebuild. Is that correct?
[19:16] <anpok> yes
[19:28] <fginther> anpok, thanks for confirming. The build parameters appeared to have been set from when the job was configured to build for wily and it caused problems when building under xenial.  I've retriggered a new build with 'local_archive_pocket' set to xenial.  That should work, but will monitor it to make sure.
[19:28] <anpok> oh
[19:28] <anpok> ah.. right the build failure back then was still with a wily setup..
[19:29] <anpok> thx
[19:30] <fginther> anpok, you're welcome, sorry that this detail handled more intuitively
[19:30] <fginther> *isn't* handled more intuitively
[19:57] <boiko> rvr: hi, I just need to rebuild telepathy-ofono on silo 25 to include the fixes that just got merged from silo 52
[19:58] <boiko> rvr: as it is only bluetooth device names, shouldn't interfere with the tests already done
[20:22] <dobey> trainguards: can someone retry a few builds for me?
[20:22] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015/+build/8324821
[20:23] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015/+build/8271658
[20:23] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015/+build/8271661
[20:23] <dobey> thanks
[20:23] <robru> dobey: on it
[20:31] <rvr> boiko: ok
[20:54] <popey> ToyKeeper, thanks for testing music - seems I made a mistake and gave you the wrong click, have updated the citrain and trello card accordingly!
[20:54] <popey> (this fixes the issue you identiied)
[20:54] <popey> *identified


[11:20] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:09]  * BluesKaj wonders when ffmpeg dependencies will be fixed  ?
[13:18] <ikonia> BluesKaj: sure you've not got a PPA conflict ?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ikonia, I haven't added any ppas , reinstalled the alpha into / , and i have no ppas in /etc/apt/sources.d
[13:25] <BluesKaj> ikonia, I also had to reconfigure the terminal prompt to open to ~/ , it kept opening to ~/Documents , strange behaviour :)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> all these depnds need fixing http://paste.ubuntu.com/1040765/
[13:34] <ikonia> sounds pretty bad
[13:48] <BluesKaj> odd thing is that all movies play ok , I guess the embedded ffmpeg plugins aren't affected
[13:49] <BluesKaj> using VLC mostly
[18:15] <mumbler> Has anyone here hit python3 problems when upgrading to Quantal?  As seen in new bug 1012707 .   A lot of package install hooks call print statments, that fail.  (Is a full hyperlink to the bug more convenient, or just clutter?)  It leaves python3 and many important packages unconfigured. Thanks.
[18:16] <mumbler> Ah, well, the bot answered my question about hyperlinking the bug.  :)
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[21:05] <mumbler> Updating on python3 problems: the bug has now been duped to bug 1013171 .  (Looks like leet-speak.)  A box that I'm upgrading to Quantal, today, has thrown lots of python 3 errors: print statements in apport hooks, at python rtupdate files.
[21:06] <mumbler> The box that I upgraded to Quantal weeks ago did not have these problems, then, or now as I keep it up to date.  I'll check back later.  Thanks.
[21:19] <mumbler> Well, I see my issue has been discussed earlier in #ubuntu-devel : http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/14/%23ubuntu-devel.html
[21:19] <mumbler> There's a lot more there than there is at the bug report, so far.
[21:53] <BluesKaj> BBL
[21:53] <FernandoMiguel> bye
[23:57] <WilsonBradley> I reinstalled 12.10 because I had problems with 12.04, now it doesn't return completly from standby (suspend), the screen is black but it looks like it came back except LCD screen or external monitor. Asus 1015Pem , N550, GMU 3150 graphics


[03:02] <Squarism> A bit offtopic maybe. Im using ubuntu since 2011. Im curious why distros like MX Linux, Manjaro and Linux mint win over ubuntu in popularity contests. I get the impression the mentioned dists are managed by small groups of enthusiasts whereas Ubuntu is backed by Canonical and should have better resources to make a better thing?!
[03:14] <guiverc> Squarism, you are off-topic here, use #ubuntu-offtopic please
[03:15] <Squarism> ok
[04:12] <Maik> #ubuntu-discuss would be even better since the offtopic channel is full off none buntu related chatter
[16:35] <howarth> Is there some trick for getting broadcom-sta-dkms to load wl.ko? I am seeing it in red in the lsmod output and an syslog message about a kernel signature verification failure which makes me think that blocks its loading.


[05:57] <nhaines> dpm: sorry I missed the call today.  I misunderstood your change that pushed the start time an hour later.
[05:57] <nhaines> And also to January.
[05:59] <dpm> nhaines, no worries. I had fixed it, but probably too late
[05:59] <dpm> we can continue the conversation over e-mail this week
[05:59] <nhaines> I never got the fix, and it was removed from my calendar.
[06:00] <nhaines> I'd been talking to pleia2 and thought the time change was deliberate.  In any case, maybe we can switch to Fridays to include her.  Will discuss over email.
[06:00] <dpm> oh, weird. Is it not in your calendar now?
[06:00] <nhaines> It is, but only one day on January 26th, 2016.
[06:00] <dpm> yeah, I had added pleia2 to the calls too
[06:01] <nhaines> Richard and I will have a call on Monday or Tuesday to nail down more of the community side of things, so we'll make up some time for the next call.  :)
[06:01] <dpm> awesome
[06:01] <dpm> hm, I can see you on the invite for the recurring calls now. Can you double-check if it's on your calendar for next Thursday?
[06:02] <nhaines> It's not.  :)
[06:02] <pleia2> fridays would be lovely, but I'm only in town for two more before I do the flying thing for a month
[06:03] <dpm> hey, evening pleia2
[06:03] <pleia2> morning, dpm :)
[06:03] <nhaines> They don't show up until the 21st of January.
[06:03] <nhaines> Good morning, pleia2.  :)
[06:04] <dpm> hrm, let me move the next two to Friday, to see if now they show up
[06:04] <dpm> moving forward, would something like Wednesday work? I can make it nevertheless, but I'd rather not stay in on a Friday night :)
[06:05] <nhaines> Oh right, work.  :)  Wednesday works for me.
[06:06] <pleia2> wednesday is fine by me too
[06:06] <pleia2> thursdays and tuesdays are just ESOMANYMEETINGS
[06:06] <dpm> lol
[06:06] <dpm> ok, cool, will move to Wednesdays
[06:07] <dpm> I think I know what happened with the invite: I had fixed it in the calendar after seeing it was no longer in, and decided not to send notification in order not to spam everyone, but I think that meant it didn't re-appear in everyone's calendar
[06:08] <nhaines> Aha!
[06:08] <pleia2> DST will make this interesting soon too
[06:08] <pleia2> but I'm usually pingable on irc, when I'm home
[06:08] <nhaines> Yeah, I mean, the calendar entry isn't critical.  The main thing is that I thought the time had actually changed.  :)
[06:08] <nhaines> (Since the email didn't mention any dates.)
[06:09] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks to Google Calendar all times and dates are localized.
[06:09] <dpm> argh, sorry about that. The only change I intended to do was to make it recurring so that we don't need to reschedule after each call. Obviously, that backfired
[06:10] <pleia2> doh, sent to my @ubuntu.com address (no google account)
[06:10] <dpm> did you guys get the invite for next Wednesday, at the right time? (17:00 UTC)
[06:10] <pleia2> imagine I said yes :)
[06:10] <dpm> hehe
[06:10] <nhaines> dpm: yup, it's looking right.
[06:11] <nhaines> pleia2: I had to add my @ubuntu.com address to my google account.  Then change the settings to be able to accept invites to my non-primary accounts.
[06:11] <pleia2> nhaines: yeah, that works for drive/docs, but the calendar is being horrible
[06:11] <nhaines> NOW I get invites to my @ubuntu.com account at my Google account anyway.
[06:12] <svij> morning all o/
[06:12] <nhaines> svij: good morning!
[06:12] <dpm> morgen svij :)
[06:14] <pleia2> ok, too many mornings, I should get to bed
[06:14] <pleia2> night :)
[06:14] <svij> while you both are here… I want to discuss a few things about ubucon websites (and social media stuff) … is there any news about that except those things you discussed a few days ago, nhaines ? (ubucon.org etc.)
[06:14] <svij> good night pleia2 ;)
[06:14] <nhaines> pleia2: good night!
[06:15] <nhaines> svij: no news, but I hope to start working on a Django-based solution in October.
[06:15] <svij> oh
[06:15] <svij> what are you planning? :)
[06:15]  * svij needs something for ubucon.eu
[06:15] <nhaines> Basically to reimplement the current site, except with a CMS.  :)
[06:15] <dpm> oh, actually, I was going to talk about that
[06:16] <dpm> nhaines, perhaps I've got something that will make your life easier
[06:16] <nhaines> Probably Django/Symposion. I need to deploy it first.
[06:16] <nhaines> dpm: that would make me happy!
[06:16] <svij> dpm: tell us more ;)
[06:16] <nhaines> I talked to Richard today and he said that mhall119 could have the front page of ubucon.org for a bit, so I'll need to chat with him about htat.
[06:17] <dpm> Let me send an e-mail to all of you right now, but the tl;dr is that I spent some time on a generic ubuntu-site build in Django-CMS, based on the style of developer.ubuntu.com
[06:17] <dpm> that would give us:
[06:17] <svij> Drupal 6 on ubucon.de "works" but it's a bit ugly on mobile phones nowadays…
[06:17] <dpm> - A ready-made Ubuntu style site
[06:17] <dpm> - Internationalization
[06:17] <dpm> - A mobile theme
[06:18] <dpm> - A possibility to build upon Django to add more apps if needed
[06:19] <svij> nice
[06:20] <nhaines> Sounds good to me.  :)
[06:20] <svij> also self-hostable, I think? (I heard that summit.u.c isn't really because of hard-coded urls or similar stuff)
[06:20] <nhaines> I'm wondering if Bootstrap isn't the answer for this kind of thing.
[06:22] <dpm> I think rather http://design.ubuntu.com/web-style-guide, which is framework-agnostic. They can be integrated with Bootstrap, Django, and any other, I guess. It's just CSS + JS
[06:23] <dpm> But then again, I'm not a web design expert :)
[06:24] <svij> just send us the email and I'll have a look ;)
[06:24] <dpm> hehe, on it
[06:25] <svij> and we need to discuss how we organize the social media accounts… the @ubucon on twitter and "ubucon" on facebook (~1000 likes) could be better used for international ubucon-announcements
[06:26] <svij> so we could have ubuconDe accounts for the German Ubucon and just "ubucon" for all the ubucons
[06:26] <nhaines> Sure.  I don't think I own either of those.  :)
[06:27] <nhaines> I suppose if @ubucon just retweets all of the child account tweets...
[06:27] <svij> yeah sth like that
[06:28]  * svij is the self-announced Social-Media-Expert for Ubucon ;)
[06:29] <svij> funny thing is that the facebook page has ~1000 like and only ~200 of them are germans… even though, it was always about the german ubucon…
[06:30] <nhaines> haha
[06:30] <svij> twitter and g+ are both under 100 followers
[06:32] <nhaines> svij: über Geschmack kann man nicht streiten.  :)
[06:33] <svij> hehe
[06:34] <dpm> :-)
[06:35]  * svij will probably announce the date and place of the ubucon.eu in the next month. :)
[06:35] <nhaines> Is it Maui?  Because I hear the weather's great there.
[06:35] <svij> :D
[06:35] <svij> check ubucon.eu and you know the city ;)
[06:36] <nhaines> I'm excited to announce the Ubucon SCALE keynote speaker, but that has to remain a secret for a bit longer.  :)
[06:36] <nhaines> svij: ooh, I've never been there.  :)  I'll have to consider it!  :)
[06:36] <svij> nhaines: :)
[06:37] <nhaines> As long as you can get Döner Kebab!
[06:37] <svij> sure :D
[06:37] <nhaines> Although I wouldn't mind a Currywurst either.
[06:37] <svij> you can sleep at my house, but then you get indian/srilankan food. :P
[06:38] <nhaines> That is okay because I love Indian food too!  Well, actually, I love British Indian food.
[06:38] <svij> :D
[06:38] <nhaines> I've never had Sri Lankan food.  But I consider this a personal failing.
[06:38] <svij> well, pretty similar
[06:41] <nhaines> I don't like every food, but I try almost every food.  :)
[06:42] <dpm> svij, nhaines, ok, sent the e-mail to the global ubucon organizers
[06:42]  * svij is reading
[06:44] <nhaines> Okay, I got that.
[06:46] <svij> dpm: does it also include formulars for attendee-registration and applications of talks?
[06:46] <nhaines> No, but Symposion does.
[06:47] <svij> this? https://github.com/pinax/symposion
[06:47] <nhaines> That's the one.
[06:47] <svij> do you have a site which uses that?
[06:47] <svij> or do you know a site…
[06:48] <dpm> svij, it does not include it, but forms can easily be added to django
[06:48] <nhaines> svij: pycon.org uses it.
[06:50] <svij> there are many pycons listed there ;)
[06:51] <nhaines> Yes, so it seems to work.  :)
[06:51] <svij> the pycon website all looks great…
[07:21] <dholbach> good morning
[09:13] <Kilos> morning everyone
[09:17] <svij> hey Kilos
[09:18] <svij> nhaines: I didn't know that I'm in the jury of the FCS :D
[09:49] <nhaines> svij: yes, surprise.  :D
[09:50]  * svij loves suprises. :P
[09:50] <nhaines> Don't worry, neither did pleia2.  But we needed some good Ubuntu community representatives.
[16:23] <pleia2> nhaines: thanks for including us :)