[00:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175419 in ubuntu "URGENCIA EN DUDA!!!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175419
[00:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175420 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree md5sum mismatch error on Ubuntu Gutsy AMD64 (dup-of: 173890)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175420
[00:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175423 in hardinfo (universe) "Hardinfo crash on change menu (gutsy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175423
[00:16] <ubotu> New bug: #175424 in kiwi (universe) "Please sponsor kiwi-1.9.19-2 into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175424
[00:17] <ubotu> New bug: #175413 in miro (universe) "Port to xulrunner-1.9" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175413
[00:21] <ubotu> New bug: #175425 in libnet (universe) "guessnet requires root privileges when it shouldn't" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175425
[00:41] <ubotu> New bug: #175426 in gengameng (universe) "[Hardy] Remove from the archive, it has been replaced by flatzebra" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175426
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175432 in ubuntu "blue band in vidéo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175432
[01:11] <jcape>  How does one re-target a bug in launchpad? And/or is there a better channel to ask this on? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/132106
[01:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132106 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy] keyspan serial adapter not detected" [Low,Triaged]
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175435 in ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon Crashes unexpectedily " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175435
[01:12] <jcape> Essentially, the standard linux modules package(s) don't include the keyspan serial adapter driver because it requires non-free firmware.
[01:12] <jcape> But the modules aren't in the restricted modules either.
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #175436 in ubuntu "Heron LiveCD fails to identify nVidia 8400 GS on Sony Vaio SZ" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175436
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175438 in ubuntu "large menue/title bar on all apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175438
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175440 in typo3-src (universe) "wrong source version prevents installation process" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175440
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175442 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "crying hard disk on reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175442
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #175444 in ubuntu "screen going black " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175444
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175445 in ubuntu "linux-generic fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175445
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175446 in evolution (main) "Calendar starting date wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175446
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175449 in eog (main) "Eye of Gnome print fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175449
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #175453 in php-db (universe) "many php pear packages don't show up in "pear list"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175453
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175454 in gnome-panel (main) "Icons overlay each other" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175454
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #175455 in gnome-panel (main) "Can't add workplaces. It's only 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175455
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #175456 in dhcp3 (main) "Eth0 lost (wired connection)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175456
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #175457 in ubuntu "No sound after initial install of Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175457
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175458 in gimp-help (main) "gimp-help-common 2.4.0: images all marked executable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175458
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #175459 in ekiga (main) "RGB/BGR Bug with Intel Easy PC Camera in V4L1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175459
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #175461 in ubuntu "Several times dialogs get freezed in Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175461
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #175462 in tuxtype (main) "tuxtype exits on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175462
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #175463 in xournal (universe) "xournal, cursor doesn't show where actual markup will occur" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175463
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175474 in ubuntu "system hungs then using compiz,pidgin and firefox rapidly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175474
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175475 in ubuntu "Framebuffer graphics mode spontaneously changes, X resolution limited incorrectly (Intel 945GM)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175475
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175476 in network-manager-applet (main) "nm-applet does not allow typing all letters in Dial Prefix" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175476
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175483 in conky (universe) "Conky loadavg is flawed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175483
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175484 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "snd-hda-intel broken in generic_2.6.22-14.38_amd64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175484
[07:23] <warp10> Hi all!
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175486 in evolution-exchange (main) "? in calender name causes freeze" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175486
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #175488 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org Chart -cannot edit chart title" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175488
[09:14] <ubotu> New bug: #175495 in gnome-terminal (main) "The console window gets corrupt " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175495
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #175493 in ubuntu "Network disconnects and reconnects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175493
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #175494 in ktorrent (main) "Ktorrent spawns unstoppable mplayer process which uses all cpu resources" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175494
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175496 in ubuntu "Compiz fusion won't display the contents of the window " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175496
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175497 in startupmanager (universe) "root on (hdx,10) is bad reported in menu.lst for splashimage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175497
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175498 in ubuntu "minimised windows dissappear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175498
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #175502 in samba (main) "[samba] [CVE-2007-6015] remote buffer overflow vulnerability" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175502
[09:47] <ubotu> New bug: #175503 in ntfs-3g (main) "User-friendly automounting of ntfs partitions with an unclean logfile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175503
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #175506 in command-not-found (main) "Crash if a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d is unreadable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175506
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175505 in tomcat5 (universe) "[tomcat5] multiple vulnerabilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175505
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175507 in firefox (main) "firefox freezes. firefox bin is very active" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175507
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175508 in reportbug-ng (universe) "reportbug-ng reports bugs to Debian instead of Ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175508
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175509 in gnome-panel (main) "Cannot add workspaces [Hardy]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175509
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175510 in vnc4 (main) "VNC connections doesn't work wtih SLES10.3: Unknown server message type" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175510
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175512 in debian-installer (main) "cannot boot with xp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175512
[10:44] <ubotu> New bug: #175515 in evolution (main) "evolution crashes when selecting calendar view" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175515
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175518 in picard (universe) "Picard repeatedly performs DNS lookups" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175518
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175519 in tora (universe) "Please sync tora 1.3.22-4  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175519
[10:58] <Fanch> hello
[10:59] <Fanch> I have a problem with mremap on ubuntu 64 and I do not really know which package is concerned (kernel, libc ?)
[11:00] <Fanch> (mmap gives me a pointer, I mremap it and I have the same pointer but with the highest 32 bits set to 1, watching /proc/[pid]/maps say the pointer is unchanged)
[11:02] <persia> Fanch: You've found a hard problem, likely not well understood on IRC :)  You might file a bug with a test program.  I'd file it against glibc to start, and it can get pushed to the kernel if it's really a kernel problem.
[11:03] <Fanch> persia: OK, I do a wordaround (using munmap/mmap) but I will write a short test program
[11:04] <persia> The point of the test program is mostly that C is a easier language to express the problem that English.
[11:06] <Fanch> persia: printf("%llx\n", addr) -><PHONE_NUMBER>234567
[11:07] <Fanch> persia: mremap(addr, old, new, 1)
[11:07] <Fanch> persia: printf("%llx\n", addr) -> ffffffff01234567
[11:07] <persia> Fanch: I've no idea why that might happen, but that seems a sensible way to demonstrate the issue.
[11:08] <Fanch> (but /proc/[pid]/maps still show a mapping of the file at<PHONE_NUMBER>234567)
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175525 in hal (main) "hal fails to install" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175525
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #175526 in ubuntu "Additions to dictionary in Abiword aren't saved" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175526
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #175527 in samba (main) "umount.cifs doesn't remove entry from /etc/mtab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175527
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175481 in evolution (main) "evolution-alarm-notify crashed with signal 7" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175481
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175491 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in nautilus_module_extension_list_free()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175491
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175501 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slist_remove()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175501
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175521 in gnome-games (main) "iagno crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175521
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175528 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice is slow openening documents with formulas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175528
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175529 in gnome-orca (main) "gnome-orca 2.21.3-0ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries on powerpc - blocking live cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175529
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175430 in gnome-system-tools (main) "users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175430
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175530 in ubuntu "Evolution crashes on startup in calendar_component_init" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175530
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174133 in rsync (main) "[CVE-2007-6199 and CVE-2007-6200] rsync is vulnerable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174133
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #175531 in ubuntu "Neither amd64 nor i386 server CDs will boot on IBM x3200" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175531
[12:06] <Fanch> persia: it is possible to attach a file or should I cut&copy it ?
[12:07] <persia> Fanch: You can attach (which is preferred), but only in a comment once you've opened the bug.  Also, it's best to ask generally: I try to answer everything, but I'm neither the most knowledgeable, nor often the fastest.
[12:10]  * Fanch is a noob : he can see a line "Add a comment/attachment" but he can not find the link...
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175532 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "NFS v3 file accesses return 'permission denied' after 15 minutes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175532
[12:11] <seb128> what link?
[12:11] <seb128> just click on the line
[12:11] <Fanch> OK, I have found it (the link to add a comment)
[12:11] <seb128> there is a link in the sidebar and one at the bottom of the page too
[12:13] <Fanch> the link on the sidebar works (but I have no link on "Add a comment/attachment" at the bottom of the page)
[12:15] <Fanch> bug filled, lunch time...
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #175533 in ubuntu "mremap returns a bogus pointer in 64 bits (feisty)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175533
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #175534 in ubuntu "icons unexpectly disappears from desktop in gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175534
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #175536 in audacious (universe) "Not work fine with pulseaudio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175536
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #175537 in evolution-data-server (main) "e-book-backend-db-cache.h includes non-existing header file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175537
[12:33] <dooglus> where should I file a report when it's about a corrupted repository rather than a bug in a particular package?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> dooglus: which repository?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> dooglus: if it's for a mirror, you need to report it to the admins of the mirror in question
[12:38] <persia> Isn't there an ubuntu-mirrors project to report those?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> sure, but i'm not sure that anyone actually pays attention to them
[12:41] <Hobbsee> and iirc, they're a team
[12:45] <persia> Hobbsee: I think team + project, but you may be right about the reports.
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #175539 in transcode (multiverse) "Transcode doesn't find export_mpeg library but it is there with different name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175539
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #175541 in ubuntu "Battery monitor fails to start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175541
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #175542 in ubuntu "libclass-inspector-perl_1.16-1_all.deb package is corrupted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175542
[12:57] <dooglus> Hobbsee: when I try applying the updates that the update-manager keeps telling me I should apply, I see:
[12:57] <dooglus> Failed to fetch http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcairo/libcairo2-dev_1.4.10-1ubuntu4.2_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[12:58] <seb128> dooglus: looks like the mirror is still syncing or something
[12:58] <seb128> dooglus: did you run sudo apt-get update?
[12:58] <dooglus> seb128: do they sync the Contents file before syncing the contents themselves?
[12:58] <seb128> no idea
[12:58] <seb128> but this version is deprecated in hardy
[12:58] <seb128> current is 1ubuntu6
[12:58] <dooglus> seb128: I did after, yes, but it made no difference.  I believe something like that runs automatically (or else I would never be notified about updates)
[12:59] <seb128> the automatic update runs daily
[12:59] <dooglus> right.  it seems strange to update the Contents file before the packages themselves are available - users will be seeing the 404 error that I saw
[12:59] <seb128> maybe they don't but ran out of disk space or something
[13:00] <dooglus> I've not tried switching to other mirrors, but I would hope all the mirrors use the same script to sync
[13:00] <dooglus> so should I report this?  and if so, where?
[13:01] <dooglus> I first saw the problem about 3.5 hours ago, and it's still a problem, so it's not that I caught them just at the wrong second
[13:04] <persia> dooglus: You might try again in either 8.5 hours or 20.5 hours, as it might have been a sync corruption to the master.  Checking another mirror would be a good way to determine if the problem is systemic or just with your mirror.
[13:16] <ubotu> New bug: #175544 in e2fsprogs (main) "Please sync e2fsprogs (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175544
[13:18] <dooglus> switching to a different .cz repository fixed the problem
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175546 in synaptic (main) "readpst_0.5.2-1 not in repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175546
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175547 in xen-3.1 (main) "arp reply from xenbr0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175547
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175548 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin crashes when using font decorations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175548
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #173702 in dbus (main) "dbus crashes gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173702
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #173838 in firefox (main) "Canvas.drawImage not working" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173838
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175550 in metacity (main) "Alt-tab crashed metacity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175550
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174747 in debian-installer (main) "installer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174747
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174807 in ubuntu "Possible Major Security Bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174807
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174857 in gnome-power-manager (main) "started automatically in X or gnome startup when you start a new session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174857
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174861 in openoffice.org (main) "HP laserjet1010 print in smoler size as needed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174861
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #174927 in nautilus (main) "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174927
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #175552 in nginx (universe) "Please sync nginx 0.5.33-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175552
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #175553 in ubuntu "Suspend and Hibernate does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175553
[14:39] <ubotu> New bug: #150828 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer crashed when I wasn't even aware it was running" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150828
[14:39] <ubotu> New bug: #175557 in qgo (universe) "qgo crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_str_overflow()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175557
[14:39] <ubotu> New bug: #175558 in pinentry (main) "Please merge pinentry (0.7.4-1) from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175558
[14:39] <ubotu> New bug: #175559 in transmission (universe) "ubuntu hangs when downloading torrents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175559
[14:39] <ubotu> New bug: #175560 in transmission (universe) "ubuntu hangs when downloading torrents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175560
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #148835 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer crashed with signal 5 in FT_Done_Library() (dup-of: 147501)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148835
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #159909 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer crashed with SIGSEGV in dbus_g_proxy_call()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159909
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174997 in ddns3-client (universe) "World-readable config file is insecure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174997
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #175514 in debian-installer (main) "slax" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175514
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #175555 in acpi-support (main) "Log out process stuck" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175555
[14:41] <ubotu> New bug: #175562 in human-icon-theme (main) "Floppy disk icons should not be used anymore for 'save' and 'save as...'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175562
[14:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175561 in update-manager (main) "could not conmit changes - Adept updater" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175561
[14:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175563 in kompozer (universe) "Can't open files with extension php" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175563
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175549 in evolution-exchange (main) "evolution-exchange-storage crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175549
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175564 in libpcap-ruby (universe) "Please sync libpcap-ruby 0.6-7  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175564
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175565 in gnome-utils (main) "gnome-search-tool: "fast search" is crashing after results are found" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175565
[15:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175571 in gfontview (universe) "gfontview crashes on launch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175571
[15:29] <RainCT> seb128: hi! is desktop-file-utils installed by default?
[15:32] <persia> RainCT: No.
[15:33] <seb128> RainCT: yes
[15:35] <seb128> persia: "No"?
[15:36] <persia> seb128: Hmm..  Wasn't for me, and I encounter lots of new packagers who don't have it.  Thanks for the correction.
[15:38] <persia> Ah.  Missing for Kubuntu only (or at least I'm not finding the rdepends chain).
[15:39] <RainCT> seb128: uhm.. is there a way how this file could be provided, but disabled by default?
[15:39] <RainCT> /me thinks the bash completion approach is pretty broken.. :P
[15:39] <RainCT> persia: what do you think about bug 175000?
[15:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175000 in desktop-file-utils "Bash completion for desktop-file-validate" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175000
[15:40]  * persia tries to find a way to get there...
[15:40] <RainCT> ah, you ignore our friend.. lol
[15:40] <RainCT> https://launchpad.net/bugs/175000, persia
[15:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175000 in desktop-file-utils "Bash completion for desktop-file-validate" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[15:41] <persia> RainCT: No, I just haven't sorted my local issue with dbus & epiphany yet.
[15:41] <RainCT> ah ok xDD
[15:41] <RainCT> w3m? :P
[15:41] <persia> RainCT: prism for now (but LP works badly in prism: not recommended)
[15:42] <RainCT> persia: that's that gnome live desktop thing?
[15:42] <seb128> persia: you are using kubuntu?
[15:43] <persia> RainCT: I think I agree with seb128 that it's not worth slowing down 8 million users for the 1000 that would use it.  Putting that in /usr/share/doc/desktop-file-utils/examples/ might be useful.
[15:43] <RainCT> seb128: hm.. perhaps it would make more sense to put it into ubuntu-dev-tools instead?
[15:43] <persia> seb128: No, but my system started as Woody, so there's a few bits odd.
[15:43]  * RainCT planned to add bash completion to some of the scripts there, too
[15:43] <seb128> RainCT: not sure, might be worth asking on the mailing list
[15:43] <seb128> persia: ah ok, because ubuntu-desktop Depends on it
[15:44] <persia> seb128: Right, and mythbuntu & Xubuntu get it from thunar.
[15:44] <jeromeg> seb128: hello, do you mind if rhythmbox 0.11.3 gets backported into gutsy ?
[15:44] <persia> My initial impression was based on the number of new packagers that reported that desktop-file-validate wasn't a command.
[15:45] <seb128> jeromeg: hi, no, but I'm not the guy to ask about backport, there is an independent team doing those ;-)
[15:45] <jeromeg> seb128: yep I know, but as you maintain...
[15:45] <persia> !backports
[15:45] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[15:45] <ubotu> New bug: #175577 in f-spot (main) "f-spot freeze whene deleting 5000 photos from catalogue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175577
[15:45] <jeromeg> seb128: I wanted to know if it as ok for you
[15:45] <jeromeg> seb128: *was
[15:45] <persia> jeromeg: There's some process documentation there.
[15:45] <seb128> jeromeg: I think that's a good idea if it works fine on gutsy, I didn't try though
[15:46] <jeromeg> persia: I know about it :)
[15:46] <jeromeg> seb128: ok i'm building it at the moment
[15:46] <seb128> good
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175566 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175566
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175573 in libcairo (main) "libcairo2_1.4.10-1ubuntu4.2 is still broken - some text is not rendered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175573
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175574 in ubuntu "Gutsy Alternate - Language Issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175574
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175575 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox (dup-of: 147884)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175575
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175576 in python-mysqldb (main) "Please sync python-mysqldb (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175576
[15:47] <jeromeg> seb128: people won't have to go to getdeb :)
[15:48]  * RainCT asks jeromeg if there's any great improvement in the new version
[15:49] <bddebian> Boo
[15:49] <jeromeg> RainCT: http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/news.html first item
[15:50] <RainCT> jeromeg: thanks
[15:50] <jeromeg> RainCT: np
[15:50] <jeromeg> are you all alos expiriencing very slow ubuntu servers ?
[15:50] <jeromeg> *also
[15:51]  * RainCT hasn't tried Ubuntu server (yet --will build one for shool soon :))
[15:51] <jeromeg> RainCT: I mean, when you download a package with apt-get/whatever, is it normal ?
[15:52] <jeromeg> i get a 30k/s speed, instead of 250 usually
[15:53] <RainCT> ahh ok. well.. I've 15kB/s here, but thats normal with my crap connection :P
[15:53] <jeromeg> RainCT: :)
[15:53] <RainCT> uh.. how do you get lyrics with rythmbox?
[15:54] <jeromeg> RainCT: CTRL + L
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #175580 in pidgin (main) "file-transfer dialog does not resize when turning "details" off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175580
[15:55] <RainCT> ah, it's an extension
[15:55] <jeromeg> RainCT: it's also in the menu on the right of Edit (I don't know the name in english)
[15:55] <jeromeg> RainCT: yep
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175581 in apache2 (main) "root process tries to kill child, but fails." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175581
[15:57] <RainCT> thx :)
[15:58] <RainCT> seb128: what do you think about the other change (manpage), is it worth getting that in if the completion went to ubuntu-dev-tools?
[15:59] <seb128> RainCT: yes
[15:59] <seb128> RainCT: and I don't think that adding the completion to ubuntu-dev-tools makes sense
[16:00] <seb128> RainCT: I'm not really convinced that this program need intelligent completion, usually you run it in /usr/share/applications and there is only desktop files there
[16:00]  * RainCT always runs it in package's source folders
[16:01] <seb128> lintian does that for you
[16:01] <seb128> when building a package
[16:02] <RainCT> yes, but I prefer to check before building.. well.. will put it into the example folder then, as persia suggested
[16:02] <persia> seb128: lintian checks against a slightly different set of rules, although the intent is similar.
[16:03] <seb128> RainCT: let's install it, that will not make a real speed difference, but I'm not convinced it's used by a lot of people
[16:03] <seb128> persia: well, lintian should use desktop-file-validate
[16:04] <persia> seb128: Check the changelog for .41: there are annoying reasons for the variation (and I agree with you)
[16:04] <seb128> persia: that was discussed on the bts but the maintainer had the impression that desktop-file-validate was not updated correctly which is not correct
[16:04] <persia> seb128: Do you think we should revert to the .40 behaviour which more closely matched desktop-file-validate?
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #175584 in tomboy (main) "UNMETDEPS: tomboy 0.9.1-0ubuntu1; missing dependency: libmono-addins0.2-cil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175584
[16:06] <seb128> persia: they didn't change that much and that's worth arguing, do you know if the debian maintainer does IRC?
[16:07] <persia> I don't know if he does, and I'm not that concerned, as we don't tend to be agressive about variations from Debian for .desktop files, and I insist on new packages having compliant .desktop files anyway (which is likely part of why RainCT wants to add bash-completion)
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175586 in epiphany-browser (main) "Epiphany/Liferea no longer honours "Document Font" setting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175586
[16:19] <jeromeg> seb128: where can i get /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/check-dist.mk
[16:19] <jeromeg> ?
[16:20] <jeromeg> it's not in gnome-pkg-tools in feisty
[16:20] <seb128> jeromeg: gnome-pkg-tools >= 0.10
[16:21] <jeromeg> seb128: arg!
[16:21] <seb128> jeromeg: I can upload a rhythmbox not using it to hardy if you want, that is of no use in Ubuntu
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #175588 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Occasional cursor corruption" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175588
[16:21] <seb128> if that makes possible a backport
[16:22] <jeromeg> seb128: well I justed wanted to add a ~ppa1 to upload it to my ppa so that oher users can test the backport
[16:22] <jeromeg> jeromeg: but I can't debuild :)
[16:22] <jeromeg> oups
[16:23] <jeromeg> seb128: if we can drop one dep why not :)
[16:23] <seb128> jeromeg: remove the debian/rules line, it's useless in Ubuntu as written
[16:23] <jeromeg> seb128: ok
[16:23] <jeromeg> seb128: thanks
[16:23] <seb128> jeromeg: if that's blocking an official backport let me know and I'll do an hardy upload to drop it there
[16:25] <jeromeg> seb128: I might have blocked a feisty backport, anyway glib is not enough up to date in feisty
[16:25] <seb128> ok
[16:28] <pochu> seb128: it's easier to backport gnome-pkg-tools than to drop the dependency in all the desktop packages, isn't it? :)
[16:28] <seb128> pochu: right, but can backport depends on other packages in backport?
[16:29] <pochu> woops, good question :)
[16:29] <pochu> I don't really know.
[16:30] <jeromeg> seb128, pochu: yes they can, we sometimes backport some libs before backporting
[16:30] <pochu> But the ogre-model says it should AFAIK.
[16:30] <pochu> jeromeg: thanks
[16:30] <jeromeg> np
[16:30] <jeromeg> pochu: sorry again for wesnoth ;)
[16:30] <ubotu> New bug: #172428 in openoffice.org2 "[gutsy] Mem leak? Viewing a presentation with Impress for a few hours slows down openoffice very much! " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172428
[16:30] <pochu> jeromeg: then backport the hardy archive :P
[16:31] <jeromeg> pochu: I'll try
[16:31] <pochu> jeromeg: you are really welcome. And thanks for looking into it and testing it.
[16:31] <pochu> jeromeg: (just kidding about backporting hardy ;)
[16:31] <jeromeg> pochu: oh i thought you wanted me to backport gnome-pkg-tools
[16:32] <pochu> jeromeg: well I don't use backports at all so I don't want it ;)
[16:32] <jeromeg> pochu: ok
[16:33] <pochu> jeromeg: It was in case you need to backport some gnome packages, since most of them use gnome-pkg-tools, it might be easier to backport it first than to drop the dependency from all of the packages.
[16:33] <jeromeg> pochu: yep
[16:34] <jeromeg> i'll wait until jdong confirm my ~20 backport requests
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175591 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Drag and Drop attachments lock Thunderbird WINDOWS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175591
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175592 in nfs-utils (main) "filesystem access hang on a nfs-exported encrypted partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175592
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175593 in ubuntu "No boot graphic or status bar when booting with nVidia 8400M GS on Sony Vaio SZ650N" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175593
[16:36] <jeromeg> got to go
[16:36] <jeromeg> bye all
[16:37] <RainCT> seb128: so will you upload it or should I upload a new debdiff installing it in the examples dir?
[16:37] <RainCT> bye jeromeg
[16:37] <jeromeg> ciao RainCT
[16:37] <seb128> RainCT: I'll upload
[16:40] <RainCT> ok, thanks
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #175597 in meta-kde (main) "Errors after Hardy update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175597
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175599 in evolution (main) "Nonsensical error message - "Server unexpectedly disconnected: Success"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175599
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175600 in totem (main) "Session shuts when double clic to get out of full screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175600
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175601 in ubuntu "[wishlist][hardy] Bring Ruby on Rails 2.0 into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175601
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175603 in gnome-panel (main) "GNOME Compiz Alt+Tab+Shift won't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175603
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175604 in gnome-panel (main) "Kdevelop crashes randomly on a 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175604
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #164683 in ubuntu "linux file system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164683
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175605 in procps (main) "procps apps that involve a username have a memory leak" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175605
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175606 in rp-pppoe (universe) "Router configuration page!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175606
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #175590 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany-gecko crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175590
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #175607 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175607
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #175609 in gstreamer "[hardy] pidgin crashing with GStreamer-CRITICAL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175609
[17:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175640 in schism (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync schism 2:0+20071208-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175640
[17:40] <ubotu> New bug: #175641 in mc (universe) "Please merge mc 4.6.1-8 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175641
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175642 in dvorak7min (universe) "[Sync request] Sync dvorak7min (1.6.1-9) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175642
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175643 in ubuntu "Heavy samba usage causes kernel OOPs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175643
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #175645 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox makes DVD drive unresponsive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175645
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #175646 in notification-daemon (main) "Notification summaries should not be parsed as markup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175646
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175647 in ubuntu "Compiz-fusion with seperate x screen doenst work properly, gtk menus slos" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175647
[18:03] <ubotu> New bug: #174644 in ivtv "[Xps 420] Driver Request: TV Tuner (Hauppage)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174644
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #175652 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "No sound from headphones on Sony Vaio SZ650N" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175652
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #175654 in mono-addins (universe) "MIR: Please include mono-addins in hardy main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175654
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175644 in context (universe) "gutsy: URW Garamond TeX tfm file installs, but font cannot be used" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175644
[18:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175666 in firefox (main) "Firefox is unable to play flash movie" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175666
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #162614 in evolution (main) "Fehlerhafte Ordnerzuordnung" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162614
[18:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172956 in mc (universe) "mc crashed with signal 7" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172956
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #175674 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "Internal microphone not working on Sony Vaio SZ650N in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175674
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #175675 in ubuntu "Unwanted Gtk theme switch during shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175675
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #175678 in jabref (multiverse) "jabref does not render when compiz is enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175678
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #159258 in firefox (main) "Helper applications launched by Firefox inherit ALL file descriptors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159258
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #154074 in update-manager (main) "after a fresh install of gutsy adept notify me to install 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154074
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #154196 in mozilla-firefox "Browser Inititation Bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154196
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #175680 in kernel-image-2.6.7-i386 "TI SD reader 0x104c 0x803c does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175680
[19:21] <ubotu> New bug: #152341 in compiz (main) "[kubuntu]When start compiz pager doubles" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152341
[19:21] <ubotu> New bug: #152744 in firestarter (universe) "Firestarter fails to start at bootup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152744
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175682 in gdm (main) "GNOME rarely starts from GDM in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175682
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175683 in ubuntu "system freezes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175683
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #151081 in apport (main) "Apport adds possible sensitive personal information into launchpad bug reports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151081
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #151142 in totem (main) "i have no sound when i open any typo of video or music" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151142
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175686 in ubuntu "Incorrect spelling in man pam_cracklib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175686
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175687 in phpix (universe) "Please sync phpix 2.0.2-7  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175687
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175689 in samba (main) ""Share Folder" in right-click menu does not share ntfs drive folders" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175689
[19:47] <ubotu> New bug: #139636 in ubuntu "(Gusty Security) The default computer name security bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139636
[19:47] <ubotu> New bug: #145080 in deluge-torrent (universe) "deluge crashed with KeyError in disable_plugin()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145080
[19:47] <ubotu> New bug: #146544 in debconf (main) "frontend crashed with SIGSEGV in abort()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146544
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #149452 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "spam message refuses to delete, year shown is 1969. Filters are ignored." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149452
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #175684 in dolphin (main) "dolphin does not keep selected file on dir list update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175684
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #175685 in xorg-server (main) "VT switching broken in Xorg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175685
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #139290 in suphp (universe) "major security hole in default configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139290
[19:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135900 in ubiquity (main) "problem in migration-assistant on ubuntu gutsy tribe 5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135900
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #132112 in ubuntu "Ubuntu crashes during SFTP transfer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132112
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #134459 in mozilla-firefox "Firefox Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134459
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135176 in startup-notification (main) "Invalid startup message will trigger segfault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135176
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135479 in ubuntu "No low battery warning on Samsung X11-T5500 notebook" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135479
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135577 in adept (main) "adept cannot open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135577
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135732 in ubuntu "ubuntu installer deletes partitions?!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135732
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #128334 in vino (main) "vino password accepted even if extra chars after correct pw" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128334
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175504 in fusion-icon (universe) "fusion-icon crashed with AttributeError in set()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175504
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175691 in command-not-found (main) "libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6.so.4.5: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175691
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175692 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus locked after playing a mp3 file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175692
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #149893 in gdebi (main) "gdebi-kde crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in 'UTF-8')()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149893
[20:15] <ubotu> New bug: #175693 in fusion-icon (universe) "Candidate for version 0.0.0+git20071028-0ubuntu2" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175693
[20:17] <ubotu> New bug: #136457 in kbd-chooser (universe) "keyboard b4 login an password remains after the same as per ubuntu installation a language and keyboard chnage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136457
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #175694 in virtualbox-ose (universe) "vboxmanage does not properly parse file paths" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175694
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #175696 in smc (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync smc 1.2-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175696
[20:30] <ubotu> New bug: #175698 in usplash (main) "Usplash corrupts the display when it drops to text-mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175698
[20:31] <harrisony> yay, its bug day! :D (well at least for me it is now)
[20:36] <harrisony> bdmurray: are you around?
[20:37] <bdmurray> harrisony: yeah, I'm back now.
[20:39] <harrisony> bdmurray: can i be added to the bug control team for bug day (which is today for me)
[20:40] <bdmurray> harrisony: what is your launchpad user id?  Have you done much triaging work?
[20:42] <harrisony> https://edge.launchpad.net/~harrisony i have done triaging work around edgy and feisty days and thought bug day would be a good day to get me back involved in bugs
[20:56] <ubotu> New bug: #147887 in pommed (universe) "pommed crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147887
[20:57] <bdmurray> harrisony: I'll check it out shortly
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175700 in pommed (universe) "Please sync pommed 1.13~dfsg-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175700
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175701 in phpldapadmin (universe) "Please merge phpldapadmin (<IP_ADDRESS>-2) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175701
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175703 in ubuntu "Korean font "Guseul" print Hangul instead of Chinese Character" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175703
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175704 in geda-gschem (universe) "Missing desktop integration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175704
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175705 in aufs (universe) "Please merge aufs 0+20071211-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175705
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175706 in apport (main) "Make apport-retrace work on running processes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175706
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175710 in f-spot (main) "F-spot is extremely chatty on stderr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175710
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175709 in ubuntu "GStreamer doesn't play any audio from my 3GPP files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175709
[21:20] <alex-weej> can someone please help me figure this out? can someone *please* help
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175711 in ubuntu "Northern Micro P5Q35-AS network controller not detected on Feisty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175711
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175712 in qemu (universe) "[hardy] Recent qemu updates yields unusable qemu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175712
[21:20] <alex-weej> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/162461
[21:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162461 in ubuntu "Wireless networking does not work on bootup (without NetworkManager)" [Undecided,New]
[21:24] <bdmurray> harrisony: Could you send me the completed bug control application?
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175713 in gnucash (universe) "gnucash is uninstallable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175713
[21:27] <harrisony> bdmurray: does it matter how old the bugs are (its just that i havent done bug work for a while and I was using this to come back in)
[21:28] <bdmurray> harrisony: no, not really
[21:34] <muuluu> hi
[21:35] <muuluu> someon pls help me with desktop freezing thing
[21:35] <harrisony> !support | muuluu
[21:35] <ubotu> muuluu: the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[21:36] <muuluu> hnm every channel same
[21:36] <muuluu> i tried almost everything but no answer at all
[21:36] <harrisony> the people in the support channel will be able to help you with your problem
[21:37] <muuluu> i asked them but no answer
[21:37] <muuluu> i don't know y
[21:37] <muuluu> may they don't know the bug
[21:38] <muuluu> there is lots of people asked staff like this but no answer at all
[21:38] <harrisony> its best when you explain the problem completly to them and then if someone knows they will help you insted of asking if someone will help. :)
[21:38] <muuluu> ok thanks anyway
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #175714 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Project Pier" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175714
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #175715 in ubuntu "Mythbuntu Install failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175715
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #175716 in totem (main) "Why "automatically" resize window when a new video is loaded?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175716
[22:00] <ubotu> New bug: #175720 in memtest86+ (main) "ELF image not installed anywhere, would be useful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175720
[22:00] <harrisony> bdmurray: ive emailed you
[22:01] <bdmurray> harrisony: great, thanks
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #175722 in powermanagement-interface (main) "(AMD) PC fails to power down, completely." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175722
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175725 in regina-normal (universe) "Please sync regina-normal (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175725
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #175728 in ubuntu-dev-tools (universe) "Add bash completion for pbuilder-dist" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175728
[23:11] <ubotu> New bug: #175730 in sensors-applet (universe) "Please sponsor sensors-applet_2.0.1 into Hardy " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175730
[23:22] <ubotu> New bug: #175731 in postfix-policyd (universe) "postfix-policyd hangs at "connecting to mysql database:"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175731
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #175735 in gaby (universe) "Please sync gaby 2.0.2-9  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175735
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #175736 in firefox (main) "Firefox unable to save bookmark" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175736
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #175733 in postfix-policyd (universe) "postfix-policyd does not need to run as root" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175733
[23:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175738 in gnome-system-tools (main) "(hardy) network-admin can't load due to missing /usr/share/gnome-system-tools/ui/network.ui" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175738
[23:40] <ubotu> New bug: #175740 in bash (main) "Foreground ('fg') fails to resume stopped processes intermittently" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175740
[23:40] <ubotu> New bug: #175741 in ubuntu "When I add the ppa repository for KDE 4 RC 2, it tries to upgrade my KDE 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175741
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #175743 in kdebluetooth (main) "Bluetooth Mouse looses connection after some time of inactivity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175743
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #175744 in compiz (main) "Hardy freezes when using compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175744
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #175745 in ubuntu "Full installation of updates not possible... partial installation of updates is suggested" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175745
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175742 in devede (multiverse) "Please sponsor devede_3.6 into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175742
[23:51] <ubotu> New bug: #175747 in sendmail (universe) "cyrusv2 MAILER macro socket path regression" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175747
[23:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175748 in metacity (main) "Metacity enters text in the 'quick search' field instead of 'Name' when running 'Save As...'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175748


  Had the filesystem slice for such attachments exceeded its limit?  There is a cap per post but there is an overall cap for Drupal attachments
[04:46] <jacob> no, i upgraded the machine to 12.04 yesterday, and i believe that reset the max upload setting for php.
[04:47] <skellat> I crammed the audio quality down HARD and can't even upload an MP3 under 2 MB
[04:50] <jacob> skellat: give it a try again, bumped up the limits back to where they should be
[04:51] <skellat> Oh the joys of Drupal.  What version are we actually running?  6?  7?
[04:51] <jacob> 6.26
[04:52] <skellat> Ah.  I know Blake tried to move LISNews to 7 and things just kept breaking.  ibiblio is hosting LISNews again but they're a bit opaque for us as to stats reporting
[04:52] <jacob> yeah, the theme would need some editing for 7 compatability
[04:52] <jacob> i haven't checked if there's a newer template available
[04:53] <skellat> And I think we're up: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/node/127
[04:53] <jacob> awesome :) sorry about that
[04:53] <skellat> Could you and Cheri703 see if the files aren't too borked?
[04:53] <skellat> Running time is under 3 minutes
[04:54] <Cheri703> mp3 starts ok for me at least
[04:54] <skellat> Excellent!
[04:54] <jacob> mp3 seems good, chrome is being whiny about that ogg but that's chrome
[04:54] <skellat> Whereas FF plays Ogg inside the browser by itself
[04:55] <skellat> Thank you jacob.  Thank you Cheri703.
[04:55] <Cheri703> yep :)
[04:55] <jacob> yeah, ogg works in VLC. oddly enough windows media player tried to open it
[04:55] <jacob> no problem skellat
[04:56] <skellat> Any big agenda items at the meeting Cheri703?
[04:56] <Cheri703> uhm....
[04:56] <Cheri703> off the top of my head at midnight on sunday....no, but probably something
[04:57] <skellat> I hope the LoCo Council told you something
[04:57] <skellat> 'Cuz we made a report for November in the big reports-at-a-glance
[04:57] <Cheri703> not yet. going to try a few other avenues to reach out
[04:57] <skellat> They didn't :-)
[04:58] <skellat> Oh well, I need to wander off to bed.
[04:59] <skellat> Unemployment sucks especially after 18 weeks of it and being told "no" quite a bit
[04:59] <skellat> See y'all at the meeting...
[04:59]  * skellat wanders off
[18:27] <jrgifford> paultag: so, lets run our own mail server. fight the power, decentralize the googletubes! ;)
[18:27] <paultag> :)
[18:27] <paultag> I did for a while
[18:27] <paultag> they're a pain to maintain and keep spamfree
[18:28] <jrgifford> i'll probably run one for my defiant.home domain (personal internal home server)
[18:28] <paultag> it'll get rejected if it's got no rDNS entry
[18:28] <paultag> just btw
[18:29] <jrgifford> we run our own dns. between my three laptops, i should be able to run a sandboxed, small scale "internet"
[18:29] <paultag> cute :)
[18:29] <jrgifford> not cute, fun. ;)
[18:30] <paultag> :)
[18:31] <jrgifford> so, what defines "internet"? DNS, mail, a block of DHCP addresses, and a wikipedia mirror. or something like that.
[18:31] <jrgifford> oh, and a git server. can't forget the git server!!!
[18:31] <paultag> not DHCP :)
[18:32] <paultag> ah, your local thing
[18:32] <paultag> why not use zeroconf? :)
[18:32] <paultag> screw the DNS
[18:32] <jrgifford> i've never gotten zeroconf to work.
[18:32] <paultag> awww.
[18:32] <paultag> it's so nice.
[18:32] <paultag> ssh pi.local # totally great
[18:32] <jrgifford> i know. we have a hacked version right now for the .home tld, but it's still... well, finicky.
[18:33] <paultag> avahi is super easy
[18:33] <paultag> it rocks
[18:33] <jrgifford> so i just install avahi and i'm "done"?
[18:33] <paultag> depends on what you mean by done
[18:33] <paultag> you register a service wit hit
[18:33] <paultag> with it
[18:33] <paultag> so you'd advertise you have ssh by adding the ssh service file
[18:34] <paultag> and then other machines with it installed can ssh in
[18:34] <paultag> or register one for smtp
[18:34] <paultag> or whatever
[18:34] <paultag> then don't bother with DNS
[18:34] <paultag> which is what I do locally
[18:34] <paultag> helps
[18:34] <jrgifford> hm. ok
[22:19] <Cheri703> as reference, I'm planning to attend this meeting and try to bring up our "large-ish area, small-ish number of people" issue: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/10/community-team-meetings-and-loco-teams/
[22:27]  * dniMretsaM will probably log that meeting


[01:24] <ubuntu595> xubuntu 16.10 system completely freezes when i leave it running overnight - i have to do a hard reboot; any suggestions?
[01:28] <basedmars> Hey so I've decided to google a bit about it. How about this solution on http://askubuntu.com/a/796484 ubuntu595
[01:29] <basedmars> I use ubuntu 16.04 btw. Never have freezes before
[01:30] <ubuntu595> i switched from LTS bc of an issue with file manager... when i'd copy a folder with the same name it'd make a new folder (2), not a prompt to merge
[01:30] <ubuntu595> and i don't think it's a memory issue though the terminal says somethign wonky atm...
[01:31] <ubuntu595> i have 16gb... it reads 15gb, which i understand, but it says used 2.9gb but only 262M is free with a 12g buff/cach and 12gb available
[01:31] <ubuntu595> no swap, bc i don't think swap is necessary with my usage
[01:39] <basedmars> From what I know, the disk will start to swap on long uptime.
[01:40] <ubuntu595> hrmmmmmm
[01:40] <ubuntu595> so should i turn on swap anyway?
[01:40] <basedmars> This could be a full ram issue. So I googled about those and I found this http://askubuntu.com/a/45009
[01:40] <basedmars> Yeah I think so
[01:41] <ubuntu595> i checked ram usage from when my system froze on the system monitor
[01:41] <ubuntu595> they weren't higher than normal
[01:41] <basedmars> That solution basically saying that only swapping when the system desperately need swapping. And if they do, don't keep it in swap too much, more in memory
[01:42] <ubuntu595> mmm alright i'll give that a shot then
[01:42] <ubuntu595> not sure it'd work but i'm running out of ideas at this point
[01:42] <ubuntu595> thanks basedmars
[01:44] <basedmars> Yeah you're welcome. The first answer could help too by putting intel_idle.max_cstate=1 in grub. Also, update the kernel to the latest one.
[01:46] <ubuntu595> i think everything is updated as far as kernels go
[01:48] <ubuntu595> aight i'm gonna try some stuff out... might be back in a few days.
[02:13] <xubuntu15d> help me configure ubuntu
[02:14] <xubuntu15d> i have tried a bunch of configurations but failing miserably
[02:15] <xubuntu15d> there are probablt 6 distros on my cromebook
[02:15] <xubuntu15d> i have already had kali-linux up and running but i want something with a graphical interface
[02:18] <knome> xubuntu15d, you'll have to tell people what kind of help in customizing you want for them to be able to help
[02:25] <flisiq> hello
[02:25] <flisiq> why i cant download anything with chrome on xubuntu?
[07:20] <xubuntu72i> ircchat while installing. awesome
[10:18] <newbie> hi
[10:19] <newbie> i need some help
[10:19] <newbie> i installed Xubuntu on old netbook and need to get chrome
[10:19] <newbie> but cannot find a way to do it
[10:21] <bazhang> chrome from google?
[10:22] <bazhang> they have their own repos I suppose
[10:22] <bazhang> !info chromium-browser
[10:23] <dkessel> newbie, i guess the old netbook is an i386 machine, not 64 bit? chrome is no longer supported by google in i386 machines. your only option will be chromium.
[10:24] <dkessel> (or just use firefox or opera or....)
[10:25] <dkessel> ok, forget about opera - not longer supported either
[10:25] <newbie> ineed chrome for work
[10:26] <newbie> my computer is dead then i hoped to use old netbook while waiting for new desctop to arrive
[10:26] <newbie> yes it is 32 bit
[10:27] <newbie> I found a 32 bit version of chrome bt cannot install it on my xubuntu
[10:27] <bazhang> why not
[10:27] <dkessel> newbie, have you tried chromium-browser? it is very very similar to chrome and should work the same for the most purposes
[10:28] <dkessel> i would not advise anybody to install an unsupported browser version, for security reasons...
[10:28] <newbie> I told use chrome only, not sure about chromium
[10:28] <newbie> I see :(
[10:29] <newbie> im very new to linux , completely windows user  till today
[10:29] <bazhang> why can you not install chrome
[10:29] <newbie> how can i get chromium- with terminal ?
[10:30] <dkessel> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[10:30] <bazhang> sudo apt install chromium-browser
[10:30] <newbie> just copy it to terminal?
[10:30] <bazhang> yes
[10:30] <newbie> I will try right now
[10:31] <newbie> it said cannot install chromium
[10:32] <newbie> or not mentioned in sources
[10:32] <bazhang> did you first sudo apt update
[10:32] <bazhang> then sudo apt upgrade
[10:32] <newbie> no, just copied sugo get
[10:32] <newbie> and sudo install
[10:32] <bazhang> do those first
[10:33] <newbie> first sudo update?
[10:33] <bazhang> sudo apt update
[10:33] <bazhang> sudo apt upgrade
[10:33] <bazhang> use apt in there
[10:34] <newbie> updated
[10:34] <bazhang> now upgrade
[10:34] <newbie> upgrade?
[10:34] <bazhang> sudo apt upgrade
[10:35] <newbie> doing
[10:35] <bazhang> once that is finished, then sudo apt install chromium-browser
[10:36] <newbie> 83% now
[10:36] <bazhang> let it finish
[10:36] <newbie> aha waiting
[10:37] <newbie> it is generating something
[10:37] <newbie> it written
[10:38] <bazhang> yeah let it completely finish that
[10:39] <newbie> :) how great to meet so helpful person
[10:39] <newbie> i was completely frustrated
[10:39] <bazhang> thats what irc is, on a FOSS network
[10:40] <newbie> still it doing something
[10:40] <newbie> :)
[10:40] <bazhang> we can wait
[10:40] <newbie> Thank you
[10:41] <bazhang> these things take time, on the first install etc
[10:42] <newbie> I tried ubuntu yesterday but it was not responding almost to anything
[10:42] <bazhang> the channel?
[10:42] <newbie> found xubuntu can work on older hardware and installed it
[10:43] <newbie> no, OS
[10:43] <newbie> i guess netbook too old
[10:43] <bazhang> how old
[10:43] <newbie> 2009 with atom processor
[10:43] <newbie> 1gb ram
[10:44] <newbie> 1600 processor
[10:44] <newbie> it had genuinely windows vista
[10:44] <newbie> but even new didnt fit to it
[10:44] <newbie> was slow
[10:44] <bazhang> if xubuntu proves too slow, you can install lubuntu-desktop and then select that from the login window
[10:45] <newbie> I will keep it in mind.
[10:45] <newbie> as i found xubuntu is good. and more windowslike
[10:45] <bazhang> lets try to get chromium-browser on that first
[10:45] <newbie> yes
[10:46] <newbie> how long time are you llinux user? if you dont mind a question
[10:47] <bazhang> did the upgrade finish yet
[10:47] <newbie> it said i have to restart firefox for updates
[10:47] <newbie> will you be here some more?
[10:47] <newbie> no
[10:47] <newbie> still upgrades
[10:48] <newbie> strange it wants to restart browser then
[10:48] <bazhang> not really
[10:48] <newbie> can ignore it?
[10:48] <bazhang> firefox gets security updates all the time
[10:49] <bazhang> just note down how to install chromium
[10:49] <bazhang> sudo apt install chromium-browser
[10:50] <bazhang> If I am not here, others can surely finish up with that
[10:50] <newbie> after updates write sudo install?
[10:51] <bazhang> sudo apt install chromium-browser
[10:51] <bazhang> you need 'apt' in there
[10:52] <newbie> sudo apt install chromium-browser
[10:52] <newbie> after updates
[10:52] <bazhang> yes
[10:52] <newbie> something else?
[10:52] <bazhang> for that package, no
[10:52] <newbie> thank you very much Bazhang
[10:53] <bazhang> no problrm
[10:53] <bazhang> and problem
[10:53] <newbie> :) it means a lot for me, support of experienced user
[11:03] <newbie> will restart ff
[11:16] <newbie> chromium installing!
[12:59] <Ziberius> hello
[13:00] <Ziberius> I have a problem with my wifi, I am no longer able to connect to a wifi, it seems like it's disabled and iwconfig shows no wifi adapter
[13:01] <Ziberius> any tips on how to "debug" this
[13:01] <cfhowlett> !wifi | Ziberius
[13:27] <knome> andyfied, hello, having connection problems?
[16:00] <flisiq> hello
[16:00] <flisiq> why cant i run unetbootin 494?
[16:03] <genii> !info unetbootin
[16:03] <genii> Why 494 instead of 608 ?
[16:04] <flisiq> only 494 detects nfs partitions
[16:05] <flisiq> so i need that one
[16:05] <flisiq> cos i want to install win7
[16:06] <genii> Do you mean ntfs and not nfs?
[16:08] <flisiq> yes
[16:08] <flisiq> thanks :)
[16:08] <flisiq> i execute the file and nothing happens
[16:09] <flisiq> when i run the file through terminal, i get a missing library error (which i have installed) and "no such file or directory"
[19:42] <xubuntu46w> my issue: I installed manjaro xfce, but would now like to install xubuntu again since I don't like it as much. However, thunar isn't recognizing my usb devices so I can't make a bootable iso with unetbootin
[19:46] <xubuntu46w> I don't have a CD drive so I can't burn an CD image
[20:58] <Lyka> i'm planning on installing xubuntu on a 2in1 netbook fresh. do i use 16.04.1 or 16.10?
[21:02] <Lyka> for example, does 16.10 have driver support that 16.04.1 doesn't have, does the LTS thing make 16.04.1 more desireable than 16.10?
[21:04] <knome> it depends on the use case, but usually you'll want the LTS
[21:04] <knome> hardware support will be available for LTS's with HWE (hardware enablement), though most often it's not essential to have that
[21:05] <knome> it you have a very new machine, then it might be more essential
[21:06] <Lyka> asus t100ha
[21:07] <knome> nope, that's not "very new"
[21:07] <knome> you can always use the live DVD to see if the hardware works as expected
[21:11] <Lyka> i hope the repair shop knows what they are doing, i'd hate to have to do more than wipe the ssd...
[21:12] <Lyka> it had a damaged charge port when it went in
[21:13] <Lyka> (and had been pre-wiped by me with the default win10)
[21:15]  * Lyka wonders if the repair guy is reading this...
[21:22] <knome> heh
[21:22] <knome> not me :)
[22:37] <xubuntu13w> Hi everyone. I'm in need of help with my 16.10  installation. Everything works fine until I receive the error message "grub-efi-amd64-signed failed to install into /target/"
[22:37] <xubuntu13w> Then the installer fails and I have to reboot into the live session (which I'm currently using to seek help).
[22:41] <xubuntu13w> One solution I found online was to modify the filename "grub-efi-amd64-signed_1.9~ubuntu12.04.4+1.99-21ubuntu3.10_amd.deb" by adding "64" at the end before .deb
[22:41] <knome> xubuntu13w, sounds weird, try asking #ubuntu as this is not a xubuntu-specific problem and there are more people there who can help
[22:42] <xubuntu13w> thanks
[22:42] <xubuntu13w> how can I join #ubuntu from this room?
[22:42] <knome> /join #ubuntu
[22:42] <xubuntu13w> thanks
[22:42] <knome> np, hope you'll find an answer soon


[10:59] <digitalmouse> brr!!!  cold in here.... must be the Fridge!  greetings programs!
[01:21] <markit86> @schedule london
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 19 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 20:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 21:00: Technical Board
[05:05] <stefg> @schedule berlin
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[05:17] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[05:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[08:41] <highvoltage> @schedule Johannesburg
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[09:43] <coachJ> when does the mtg start?
[09:44] <ompaul> ~15 minutes
[09:46] <coachJ> k
[09:58] <ogra> good idea
[09:59] <coachJ> too late in the afternoon foe coffee here
[10:00] <highvoltage> for all of us? ;)
[10:00] <ogra> meep
[10:00] <LaserJock>  here
[10:00] <cbx33> oooh thanky Hawkwind
[10:00] <cbx33> whoops
[10:00] <cbx33> HedgeMage,
[10:00] <RichEd> greetz
[10:01] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:01] <coachJ> lol
[10:01] <cbx33> get out of bed :p
[10:01] <RichEd> laptop ... some kind of euphemism ?
[10:01] <highvoltage> ouch
[10:01] <HedgeMage> rofl
[10:01] <coachJ> mtg be good for highvoltage's sake
[10:01] <cbx33> eeeewwww
[10:01] <highvoltage> RichEd: luckily not
[10:02] <ogra> ok, lets go :)
[10:03] <cbx33> oh you mean the meeting....
[10:03] <ogra> not much on the tech side as usual :)
[10:03] <ogra> we have a knot 1 milestone CD
[10:03] <highvoltage> the first knot is tied, right?
[10:03] <cbx33> w00t
[10:03] <highvoltage> :)
[10:03] <ogra> which in fact took me since friday to get everything right
[10:03] <highvoltage> anyone install it yet?
[10:03] <cbx33> not yet
[10:04] <ogra> but now we have something we can break
[10:04] <ogra> muhahaha
[10:04] <highvoltage> mhuhaha
[10:04] <Mithrandir> knot-1 is all but released, yet.  That is, I'll release it tomorrow morning, since I've drunk something closer to a bottle of wine now and I don't think I should futz around with cd images then. :-P
[10:04] <Mithrandir> s/yet/yes/
[10:04] <ogra> Mithrandir, well, it wont change anymore :)
[10:04] <ogra> enjoy your wine :)
[10:05] <cbx33> and the hangover
[10:05] <Mithrandir> ogra: true. :-)
[10:05] <ogra> highvoltage, keep the iso around so you can try cbx33's gui sync tool ;)
[10:05] <cbx33> I was gonna mention that
[10:05] <cbx33> if anyone is interested in beta testing grasynco
[10:05] <rodarvus> hi
[10:05] <rodarvus> sorry
[10:05] <cbx33> it's on REVU at the moment
[10:06] <ogra> soo ... apart from that there is not much n the tech side ...
[10:06] <rodarvus> I was concentrated updating libx11
[10:06] <cbx33> and also on LP
[10:06] <highvoltage> ogra: i intend to do that!
[10:06] <cbx33> may I ask you all to keep a backup of the isos....just in case
[10:06] <ogra> the ltsp tarball builder script is nearly done ...
[10:06] <cbx33> :D
[10:06] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:06] <cbx33> unless you don;t mind downloading again
[10:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: just beware, I'm quite crazy with feature requests, just ask ogra :)
[10:06] <ogra> the first try can be seen on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/
[10:07] <cbx33> highvoltage, that's cool
[10:07] <cbx33> I'll try to accomodate
[10:07] <ogra> highvoltage, heh, yes, you are (sometimes :) )
[10:07] <LaserJock> where are we with specs?
[10:07] <highvoltage> ogra: have ltsp upsream made any announcement yet?
[10:07] <ogra> LaserJock, SCP is still lacking some love, i'll jump on that tomorrow ...
[10:08] <ogra> highvoltage, nope, the system needs to run automatically
[10:08] <cbx33> but I'll wait till ogra has finished
[10:08] <cbx33> otherwise people may talk :p
[10:08] <LaserJock> ogra: LTSP specs are looking good?
[10:08] <ogra> what you see on the url is the first test run
[10:08] <highvoltage> ogra: what would be the difference between those tarballs ans a standard Edubuntu ltsp chroot?
[10:08] <ogra> LaserJock, well, the udeb is ready now to add the dhcp stuff ... SCP isnt approved yet but i had no time to fix stuff, mdz is notified
[10:08] <highvoltage> ogra: are they mostly the same so far?
[10:09] <ogra> ltspfs stuff isnt started yet
[10:09] <LaserJock> k
[10:09] <ogra> highvoltage, they are 100% the same
[10:09] <HedgeMage> If anyone's interested, we are planning a meeting for Edubuntu Handbook (formerly Cookbook) Friday at 21:30 (just scheduled, so may not be on fridge yet, I'll post to the mailing lists momentarily)
[10:09] <ogra> but we'll have arch specific ones ;)
[10:09] <highvoltage> ok. so no need to download then.
[10:09] <ogra> HedgeMage, docs are next
[10:10] <HedgeMage> ogra: oops, sorry
[10:10] <ogra> highvoltage, nope, but if you ever want powerpc clients you can just grab the tarball ;)
[10:10] <highvoltage> ogra: i'll keep that in mind!
[10:10] <ogra> no need for fiddling around with nfs exports
[10:10] <ogra> i'll probably make an installer package that downloads and unpacks it
[10:11] <highvoltage> with a cbx33 front-end?
[10:11] <ogra> so you can install ltsp-multiarch-powerpc
[10:11] <highvoltage> *g*
[10:11] <ogra> heh
[10:11] <cbx33> highvoltage, if you really really want it :p
[10:11] <ogra> or ltsp-multiarch-sparc ;)
[10:11] <highvoltage> cbx33: of course :)
[10:11] <cbx33> dang it :p
[10:11] <ogra> highvoltage, well, that should be an extra tab in ltsp-manager rather :)
[10:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: the LTSP people would love that
[10:12] <ogra> soo ...
[10:12] <cbx33> highvoltage, wanna mail me a brief outline
[10:12] <ogra> thats all from the tech side for this week ... i have noting t addd
[10:12] <cbx33> sometime and I'll see what I can dig up
[10:12] <ogra> documentation ?
[10:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: sure, we can chat about it tomorrow on #edubuntu, then send to the mailing list and get some larger input
[10:12] <cbx33> sure
[10:13] <cbx33> we can build it onto ogras ltsp manager
[10:13] <ogra> HedgeMage, the CookBook was renamed ?
[10:13] <highvoltage> cool.
[10:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: yep, at our last meeting.
[10:13] <ogra> HedgeMage, tell us about it, since not everyone was there :)
[10:13] <mhz> please
[10:14] <HedgeMage> ogra: Since it's not quite a cookbook format any more, we decided to vote for a new title... people posted suggestions to the wiki and our last meeting was a vote
[10:14] <HedgeMage> it's now the "Edubuntu Handbook"
[10:14] <ogra> great
[10:14] <cbx33> :D
[10:14] <HedgeMage> Same fun stuff, new title :)
[10:14] <mhz> EHB
[10:15] <highvoltage> i think it's a good idea, merely because it will eliminate confusion about all the previous cookbook attempts :)
[10:15] <cbx33> I agree
[10:15] <ogra> yup
[10:15] <mhz> yup
[10:15] <HedgeMage> That's the icing on the cake :)
[10:15] <rodarvus> heh
[10:15] <highvoltage> lol
[10:15] <mhz> and it will be more 'handy' :D
[10:16] <HedgeMage> Anyhow, we have a meeting on Friday, wiki info is at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook
[10:16] <ogra> btw LaserJock was praised in http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1990777,00.asp :)
[10:16] <highvoltage> also on documentation, does anyone know what the best way is, and whether we should, get the edubuntu docs on http://help.ubuntu.com?
[10:16] <HedgeMage> I haven't updated the meeting page yet since this was scheduled literally 5 minutes ago :)
[10:16] <cbx33> highvoltage, I talked with mdke about that a while ago
[10:16] <ogra> highvoltage, all wiki docs are there already
[10:16] <highvoltage> all the other official ubuntu distros docs are there, I think Edubuntu should be there too, since people would ask.
[10:16] <cbx33> you need permissions to create new pages
[10:17] <highvoltage> ogra: it's not listed on the front page: http://help.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <ogra> oh
[10:17] <ogra> but they imported all our pages ... i have a painful slow redirect for nearly every wikipage
[10:17] <cbx33> is anything going to be done about the ssl certificate on the wiki?
[10:17] <ogra> i dont think so
[10:18] <cbx33> grrr
[10:18] <ogra> i could raise it agan ... but paied certs are not the best topic to dicuss with mark somehow :)
[10:18] <highvoltage> yes, I think I'll ping mdke this weekend and ask if he could add an Edubuntu section on the frontpage of help.
[10:18] <mhz> it is not wiki's fault (not moin)
[10:18] <cbx33> ok
[10:18] <cbx33> mhz, I know
[10:18] <cbx33> ogra, ok cool
[10:18] <ogra> mhz, we have bought one afaik, but thats limited to ubuntu.com
[10:18] <cbx33> highvoltage, yes good idea
[10:19] <mhz> grr!
[10:19] <mhz> :)
[10:19] <highvoltage> that's ironic.
[10:19] <cbx33> I'll do the same, as I'm owed a creatoin account on help.ubuntu.com i think :p
[10:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: we would have to ship something to put it in help.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <mhz> but, isn't markie related to Certificates?
[10:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: does it need to be in a certain format?
[10:19] <ogra> Riddell, do you know anything about the certs ? i know you asked about them
[10:19] <peterretief> highvoltage: hi
[10:20] <LaserJock> highvoltage: those docs are created from the doc team svn repo
[10:20] <highvoltage> mhz: it's how he made his money :)
[10:20] <highvoltage> hi peterretief
[10:20] <mhz> yeah, hence my point
[10:20] <Riddell> ogra: filed an rt request, not heard anything back, feel free to poke harder
[10:20] <ogra> mhz, quote: "i've seen enough certs in my life"
[10:20] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:21] <rodarvus> :)
[10:21] <ogra> Riddell, rt # ?
[10:21] <mhz> lol
[10:21] <Riddell> ogra: no idea, it was ages ago
[10:21] <highvoltage> LaserJock: we could probably get someone from docteam to help us out? there should be some people who are common in edubuntu-doc and ubuntu-doc that I'm sure would assist.
[10:21] <ogra> Riddell, lol, ok
[10:21] <LaserJock> highvoltage: umm, jerome and I are happy to help
[10:21] <cbx33> highvoltage, what about jerome
[10:22] <highvoltage> LaserJock: excellent :)
[10:22] <LaserJock> highvoltage: edubuntu school advocacy is already on doc.ubuntu.com
[10:22] <cbx33> is it ?
[10:22] <cbx33> crikey
[10:22] <LaserJock> highvoltage: mdke made an Edubuntu css
[10:22] <mhz> is it???
[10:22] <ogra> wasnt that renamed ?
[10:22] <highvoltage> great. so it just needs a link from the home page.
[10:22] <LaserJock> yes, I had them make an Edubuntu section
[10:22] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com
[10:23] <LaserJock> on the right there is an Edubuntu section
[10:23] <highvoltage> doc.ubuntu.com is meant for work in progress, right?
[10:23] <cbx33> I see
[10:23] <LaserJock> yes
[10:23] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com represents our svn repo
[10:23] <highvoltage> ESA is completed, isn't it?
[10:23] <cbx33> is there the possibility of ESA making it onto help.ubuntu.com?
[10:24] <cbx33> or is that not the place for it?
[10:24] <mhz> lovely http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html
[10:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: thinking the same thing here :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com has what has been shipped
[10:24] <ogra> wow, esa is impressive
[10:24] <highvoltage> i think ESA should be on help.ubuntu.com as well.
[10:24] <LaserJock> we have a doc team meeting on Friday
[10:24] <cbx33> we try ogra :p
[10:24] <LaserJock> I can ask
[10:24] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock
[10:25] <LaserJock> so far we have only put the docs that were shipped on CD on help.ubuntu.com
[10:25] <ogra> highvoltage, it is
[10:25] <Burgwork> I have a half finished case study, using some of the stuff from esa
[10:25] <cbx33> the ESA gets everywhere
[10:25] <highvoltage> ogra: i can't find it
[10:26] <ogra> wow ... your doc work is massively impressive guys :)
[10:26] <ogra> highvoltage, the link mhz pasted
[10:26] <cbx33> yes please
[10:26] <LaserJock> so from the doc team's perspective I think we are ready to go, we just need content
[10:26] <mhz> highvoltage: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html
[10:26] <highvoltage> ogra: that's on doc.ubuntu.com, not on help.ubuntu.com
[10:26] <cbx33> I passed the esa to RichEd to pass onto the canonical marketting dept
[10:26] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah, good point
[10:26] <ogra> highvoltage, aww, now i understand
[10:26] <ogra> cbx33, good !
[10:26] <RichEd> yep ... got it open .. will review & coment
[10:26] <mhz> please, not redirections this time
[10:27] <mhz> ;)
[10:27] <cbx33> RichEd, if you want my page mockups feel free to take those
[10:27] <RichEd> okay
[10:27] <cbx33> they were a mock of what the pamphlet could look like
[10:27] <cbx33> hang on I'll grab a link
[10:28] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[10:28] <cbx33> ignore everything on the page
[10:28] <cbx33> apart from the 4 images at the bottom
[10:28] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:28] <ogra> heh
[10:28] <RichEd> tx
[10:28] <cbx33> I'll delete it I think
[10:28] <mhz> cbx33: where's the mockup?
[10:28] <cbx33> down the very bottom
[10:29] <mhz> oh, still downloading
[10:29] <mhz> thx
[10:29] <cbx33> sorry
[10:29] <cbx33> that was our wip page
[10:29] <mhz> cbx33: nice mockup idea
[10:29] <cbx33> ESA started like that before any text was written really :p
[10:30] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:30] <LaserJock> anyway, if anybody wants docs to go on doc.ubuntu.com (and eventually help.ubuntu.com) please let the doc team or at least jerome or I know
[10:30] <mhz> cbx33: I am working on one for Chile (with Chilean colors)
[10:30] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok
[10:30] <highvoltage> sounds like doc discussion is quieting down?
[10:30] <ogra> well, then lets move on
[10:31] <ogra> aaaaaaartwork
[10:31] <ogra> whoops
[10:31] <mhz> that KBD!
[10:31] <mhz> ;)
[10:31] <highvoltage> i think you missed an 'a' there
[10:31] <AliasVegas> Hi everyone
[10:31] <ogra> heh, i'm not 100% used to it yet :)
[10:31] <mhz> AliasVegas: hi
[10:31] <highvoltage> hi AliasVegas. just in time :)
[10:31] <ogra> hey AliasVegas nice to see you !
[10:31] <HedgeMage> hi AliasVegas
[10:31] <AliasVegas> I'm really glad that so many people like the edubuntu wallpaper that I did, and I think it's crucial to build on the success of that in the edgy release.
[10:32] <ogra> yay
[10:32] <mhz> HedgeMage: I can propose something
[10:32] <AliasVegas> Yeah, I'll see what I can do if you want
[10:32] <highvoltage> AliasVegas: I've set you as administrator on the artwork team, sorry, should have done that earlier :)
[10:32] <AliasVegas> What I thought we could do, to make a quick start is just ask for a single line from everyone on what they dislike about the dapper theme (if anything), but to be precise.  Not just, I don't like the chalkboard, but why don't you like the chalkboard, too commercial etc?
[10:33] <ogra> AliasVegas, great idea !
[10:33] <mhz> AliasVegas: yeah
[10:33] <AliasVegas> Then just another single line about what you would like to see in edgy?
[10:33] <HedgeMage> good idea, AliasVegas :)
[10:33] <ogra> yup
[10:33] <highvoltage> AliasVegas: I didn't like the orange hilight in the gtk theme.
[10:33] <AliasVegas> I was going to then work from these to collate a plan on how we should proceed with the new themes and artwork.  I have some initial ideas, but I don't want to develop them if there are elements which are not going to work or be to peoples liking.
[10:33] <cbx33> I'll start noting these down
[10:33] <ogra> highvoltage, by mail :)
[10:33] <cbx33> heheh
[10:33] <AliasVegas> thanks
[10:34] <cbx33> mail would be better
[10:34] <highvoltage> oh yes, of course :)
[10:34] <HedgeMage> Don't like: The green chalkboard thing clashes with our red gtk-theme, lacking theme-coordinating icons for some apps I like
[10:34] <AliasVegas> ok
[10:34] <highvoltage> to edubuntu-devel? or to AliasVegas?
[10:34] <ogra> so could anyone who wants to participate say +1 so i know whom i have to nag ? ;)
[10:34] <ogra> +1
[10:34] <rodarvus> edubuntu-users wouild be best I think
[10:34] <highvoltage> +1
[10:34] <rodarvus> AliasVegas: nice idea, btw
[10:34] <cbx33> um, could we have edubuntu-artwork ?
[10:34] <rodarvus> +1
[10:35] <cbx33> mailing list ?
[10:35] <peterretief> +1
[10:35] <mhz> +1
[10:35] <cbx33> would that be useful?
[10:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: i've thought about it before, I think it's at the stage where it's ready for it
[10:35] <ogra> cbx33, how many people would we have on there ?
[10:35] <cbx33> anyone with an interest in artwork I'm presuming right AliasVegas ?
[10:35] <rodarvus> not sure if edubuntu-artwork mailinig list would have critical mass
[10:35] <LaserJock> I would think -devel and -users would be sufficent
[10:35] <highvoltage> there are 20 people in launchpad who have volunteered to contribute to artwork
[10:35] <ogra> cbx33, i want a number :)
[10:35] <rodarvus> in other words, would probably become a semi-dead mailing list
[10:35] <highvoltage> they would all be added to the new list
[10:35] <highvoltage> that's already a good start.
[10:36] <AliasVegas> yeah
[10:36] <cbx33> Hmm....
[10:36] <highvoltage> those who do not wish to be part can then be de-activated from the team.
[10:36] <mhz> yeah
[10:36] <highvoltage> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-artwork/+members
[10:36] <cbx33> I just wonder that in order to get the artowrk team off the ground, they should have their own ML?
[10:36] <cbx33> just my 2 cents
[10:36] <mhz> or.. keep using -devel but adding [ART]
[10:36] <mhz> on subject
[10:36] <mhz> just my 2 cents
[10:37] <mhz> eek, we have 4 cents!
[10:37] <ogra> cbx33, i will need to give an estimated number of initial subscribers ... its not useful to have a list for 10 people ...
[10:37] <highvoltage> i wonder if everyone on the launchapd team would be willing to subscribe to edubuntu-devel, we could probably try and ask them
[10:38] <cbx33> I get so much spam from that channel?
[10:38] <highvoltage> ogra: we already have at least 20 people! :)
[10:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: no you don't
[10:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: you get admin requests ;)
[10:38] <cbx33> i get spam too
[10:38] <mhz> cbx33: BTW, I have no logs regarding pwd for ML admin tasks, could you PM it to me, please?
[10:38] <cbx33> sure
[10:39] <ogra> highvoltage, well, i havent seen much new artwork during dapper, that was more widespread in breezy
[10:39] <ogra> the quality raised immensely though :)
[10:39] <mhz> ogra: AliasVegas is in town now ;)
[10:39] <ogra> yeah ! :)
[10:39] <AliasVegas> I want to setup an edubuntu-artwork meeting, for anyone who has any interest in artwork/themes to come along to, so we can really start to brainstorm and get the process moving.  If anyone has some suggestions about times that would be great ;)
[10:39] <highvoltage> ogra: i think the announcement that canonical would use a paid-for company for artwork killed things a bit, imho :/
[10:40] <ogra> but still ... she will surely need support ...
[10:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, I agree
[10:40] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[10:40] <mhz> AliasVegas: i have a couple of suggestions but based on my UTC
[10:40] <ogra> highvoltage, but it was like that before as well ...
[10:40] <mhz> (my TZ)
[10:40] <ogra> just that nobody announced it before :)
[10:40] <cbx33> does this kinda time suit mhz ?
[10:41] <mhz> cbx33: nope
[10:41] <cbx33> 12 UTC?
[10:41] <mhz> 11 UTC
[10:41] <highvoltage> ogra: i beg to differ, if you go to art.ubuntu.com, you'll see quite a few wallpapers that were made for breezy, some of them not too bad
[10:41] <mhz> so I can be before leaving house
[10:41] <mhz> cbx33: or 23 UTC
[10:41] <mhz> :D
[10:41] <ogra> highvoltage, http://art.ubuntu.com/
[10:41] <ogra> its down
[10:41] <cbx33> 23 UTC....
[10:42] <cbx33> AliasVegas, will be in bed then
[10:42] <cbx33> :p
[10:42] <AliasVegas> lol
[10:42] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah, like the darkones I did because I prefer black for kids :D
[10:42] <cbx33> we can discuss times later
[10:42] <highvoltage> ogra: click on "Edubuntu" on the right. it still works
[10:42] <ogra> oh no its redesigned :P
[10:42] <highvoltage> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/
[10:42] <ogra> yep
[10:42] <AliasVegas> I'm also going to post a notice to the ubuntu-artwork mailing list explaining where we are at this stage and ask for volunteers to help edubuntu in this release.
[10:42] <mhz> cbx33: then , we could rotate ;)
[10:42] <ogra> i know them, i added most of them there
[10:42] <cbx33> sure mhz
[10:42] <cbx33> I'm sure AliasVegas would be ok with that
[10:43] <mhz> cbx33: if meetings are weekly, 3 or 4 diff UTCs is good
[10:43] <AliasVegas> 2 sounds good
[10:43] <AliasVegas> like edubuntu
[10:43] <mhz> cbx33: the thing is I am looking for a job now, so most likely is I wont have time for IRC during working hours ;(
[10:43] <AliasVegas> ogra, can I ask, how much are we at liberty to change in this release, just wallpapers/splashes, or icons, theme colours too?  cbx33 was talking to me about the work he was doing on his new ubrander project, and I wondered how much gtk-rc editing had been done in the past?
[10:43] <highvoltage> ogra: all of those wallpapers in art.ubuntu.com came from the breezy release cycle
[10:44] <AliasVegas> fair enough :)
[10:44] <ogra> AliasVegas, i'm sure it must be done in communication with the artteam ...
[10:44] <ogra> so that we have a recognizable ubuntu look for all distros ...
[10:45] <mhz> .oO(hmmm, the *buntu look)
[10:45] <AliasVegas> ok that sounds cool
[10:45] <ogra> a kind of CI
[10:45] <AliasVegas> Not much more to say really, I'm conscious of the time factors involved and have just finished some of my paid freelance work, so I should have some more time to devote to getting the ball rolling here.
[10:45] <ogra> but we'll surely have freedom about colors, icons splash screens gdm login theme bootsplash etc
[10:45] <AliasVegas> ok :)
[10:46] <ogra> there is only some small gtkrc editing been doneby me
[10:46] <ogra> mostly adjusting colors
[10:47] <ogra> (based on a completely different orange wallpaper btw)
[10:47] <AliasVegas> right
[10:47] <mhz> AliasVegas: i am VERY interested in creating 'artwork' for Stands (posters, stuff to hang -no idea about english name for it , stand look, etc)
[10:47] <cbx33> mhz, cool
[10:48] <mhz> and all related to merchandising
[10:48] <mhz> Edubuntu based, of course
[10:48] <cbx33> I'd need that if BETT2007 went ahead
[10:48] <HedgeMage> that's awesome, mhz
[10:48] <AliasVegas> Posters sounds like a cool idea
[10:48] <ogra> mhz, ++
[10:48] <mhz> yeah, Teachers loved the idea of having Edubuntu T-Shirts for Labs
[10:48] <cbx33> then getting nicked by the rozzers :p
[10:48] <HedgeMage> hehe cbx33
[10:49] <mhz> and then I thought about Posters for Edubuntu Labs (with messages for the users)
[10:49] <AliasVegas> I love the idea of t-shirts
[10:49] <ogra> yep
[10:49] <cbx33> mhz, heheh.... "Got root....no...cos if you did you'd break things"
[10:49] <mhz> lol
[10:49] <cbx33> I think I just found my new tagline :p
[10:49] <ogra> but posters at least for booths would be grreat
[10:49] <highvoltage> cbx33: they can have root on the ro local filesystem :)
[10:50] <cbx33> hahaha
[10:50] <cbx33> give them the illusion
[10:50] <ogra> heh
[10:50] <mhz> yeah, we need promo material so people (human beings) know Edubuntu is not just an OS, it is meant for "YOU"
[10:50] <cbx33> awww
[10:50] <ogra> ogra, time is almost up ...
[10:50] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:50] <ogra> err
[10:50] <cbx33> what about some fluffy Eft soft toys
[10:50] <ogra> i wrote ok ...
[10:50] <highvoltage> flint said that we have done a good job at keeping edubuntu secret.
[10:50] <ogra> stupid autocompletion
[10:50] <mhz> www.openpuppets.com
[10:51] <highvoltage> so getting edubuntu out there is perhaps something everyone should work on.
[10:51] <ogra> highvoltage, bah, flint said also that k12 doesnt like us :)
[10:51] <cbx33> we need someone to streak a major sporting event wearing nothing but ubuntu logos :p
[10:51] <cbx33> get us on the TV
[10:51] <highvoltage> ogra: point taken :)
[10:51] <RichEd> i'm willing to take marketing suggestions forward<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:51] <cbx33> highvoltage, I totally agree....hence my initial creation of ESA
[10:51] <mhz> and a couple of magazines too
[10:51] <ogra> right
[10:52] <ogra> next topic management :)
[10:52] <ogra> since you are already at promotion
[10:52] <RichEd> especially those that take it out of the "hobbyist" space into mainstream
[10:53] <RichEd> well perhaps an intro from me ?
[10:53] <LaserJock> that would be nice :-)
[10:53] <ogra> if you like :)
[10:53] <highvoltage> RichEd: sounds like no one is objecting ;)
[10:53] <RichEd> Mark has just appointed me as "Education Programme Manager" last week ... to be client & relationship facing
[10:53] <ogra> i also have something ... for the management side later
[10:54] <HedgeMage> RichEd: welcome :)
[10:54] <RichEd> The way I see it is that you guys are building a great eductional vehicle ...
[10:54] <cbx33> :)
[10:54] <mhz> RichEd: oh, you are the one!!
[10:54] <highvoltage> RichEd: yes, welcome again
[10:54] <RichEd> and my job is to get as many people adopting it a possible.
[10:54] <RichEd> I've been in the Education space with HP for 3 years
[10:54] <RichEd> Schools, education departments etc.
[10:54] <cbx33> give me an external scsi hdd and I'll have an ltsp server running at the school :p
[10:55] <RichEd> And seen lots of the "soft factors" that hamper adoption
[10:55] <RichEd> "we don't have budget to train in MS and Linux"
[10:55] <mhz> hehehe
[10:55] <LaserJock> Universities!!
[10:55] <RichEd> "we don't have enough tech support"
[10:55] <highvoltage> RichEd: this would be internationally, right?
[10:56] <RichEd> so we need to build a compelling case for "overcoming the human hurdles"
[10:56] <RichEd> yep ... international ...
[10:56] <RichEd> So I am here to help ... not interfere ;)
[10:57] <mhz> RichEd: thx, then I have lots of stuff tu bug you with
[10:57] <ogra> RichEd, we'll gain some ground in germany soon it seems ... :)
[10:57] <LaserJock> awesome, thanks. I should be fun
[10:57] <RichEd> And will try to take ideas from the community ..., as well as requests from "the clients"
[10:57] <LaserJock> s/I/It/ shesh
[10:57] <RichEd> And put them in front of the people who can make it happen.
[10:57] <ogra> i had another call from the guy that is affiliated with the minisrty of education and arts of bayern ...
[10:57] <highvoltage> we're going to cover *lots* of ground in .za from Inkululeku
[10:57] <RichEd> ogra: great
[10:58] <highvoltage> it's probably no 'edubuntu' stricktly, because we currently use Xfce
[10:58] <ogra> looks like he has arranged stuff like TV interviews etc
[10:58] <mhz> highvoltage: me too! :D
[10:58] <ogra> in september ...
[10:58] <highvoltage> but we're going to sign up as official ubuntu partner, so i guess it would count as official.
[10:58] <ogra> we'll need to talk since he wants me to represent
[10:58] <RichEd> brb 15 secs
[10:58] <cbx33> highvoltage, what does that entail?>
[10:58] <cbx33> the partner thing?
[10:58] <mhz> RichEd: well, we have a very agressive insertion plan this year for Chile, so I'd  better sum it up and email it to you
[10:59] <RichEd> mhz: please yes
[10:59] <highvoltage> cbx33: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become
[10:59] <RichEd> jsgotangco also has some exciting stuff happenng in Philipines
[10:59] <cbx33> RichEd, is there the possibility of coming up with a "pack" to send to educational iministers etc
[10:59] <RichEd> (apart from an active volcano close to his house spewing lava)
[10:59] <cbx33> about edubuntu>
[10:59] <mhz> lol
[11:00] <RichEd> cbx33: Mark has asked me to get "a directed education message" set up ...
[11:00] <RichEd> web site & pdf
[11:00] <RichEd> for exactly that purpose
[11:00] <cbx33> cool
[11:00] <cbx33> esa could be useful there Lp
[11:00] <cbx33> :p
[11:01] <RichEd> We also have a reporter in India who is pushing for Ubuntu / 6Eubuntu as a C development teaching platform in 60 schools
[11:01] <ogra> nice !
[11:01] <RichEd> With a route into showing the local govt. how to do it ... and avoid the MS win & sql licence fees
[11:02] <mhz> yeah, this is the Year of Edubuntu
[11:02] <cbx33> RichEd, yeh see this is what we nned
[11:02] <cbx33> mhz, I agree
[11:02] <RichEd> And he has a Post Grad student in Florida who is a sidebar assistant
[11:02] <RichEd> So lots of opportunity to mine.
[11:03] <ogra> sounds very cool
[11:03] <cbx33> RichEd, that pack would be useful :p
[11:03] <mhz> cbx33: ESA has lots of the arguments we'd need
[11:03] <cbx33> yes
[11:03] <RichEd> Note also that I hope to use my relationship with HP Education Country managers (Europe & ZA & Africa) to try to push Edubuntu
[11:03] <cbx33> excellent
[11:04] <cbx33> RichEd, how viable do you think BETT2007 is?
[11:04] <RichEd> (in their solution deals) as well as for Student OEM offerings
[11:04] <highvoltage> RichEd: would be nice if you could round them all up again ;)
[11:04] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Any notes/news about the US?
[11:04] <RichEd> As I said earlier cbx33 : we have some routes of least resistance ... like india etc. so not sure if the "money people" will be keen on "ad spend"
[11:04] <RichEd> Versus applied project spend
[11:05] <mhz> RichEd: in Chile and other countries we're getting together to form the Institute of Free Software for Latinamerica. Edubuntu is the king in such realms
[11:05] <cbx33> if we're going to shower the auths with details they must see us ..... in the field like everyone else
[11:05] <cbx33> RichEd, I understand
[11:05] <cbx33> on a side note, did that spreadsheet seem ok?
[11:05] <RichEd> But will table all suggestions when I have to present a plan to Mark in week 1 Aug in London
[11:06] <RichEd> I'll try to cover all bases in suggestions ... but he will probably direct resource & money priorities
[11:06] <cbx33> sure
[11:06] <RichEd> cbx33: looks good on first pass ... will revise & comment
[11:06] <cbx33> ok cool
[11:07] <RichEd> cbx33 and I will set up a template for "conference funding requests" so the foramt is consistent when we ask for $
[11:07] <cbx33> yes
[11:07] <RichEd> that's all from me for now.
[11:07] <highvoltage> ogra
[11:07] <cbx33> we at time up aren't we?
[11:08] <highvoltage> ogra said he had something to say
[11:08] <RichEd> mhz: please send details re South America :)
[11:08] <AliasVegas> remember everyone... email me you artwork comments! :)
[11:08] <ogra> highvoltage, i already did
[11:08] <highvoltage> oh ok :)
[11:08] <ogra> highvoltage, we'll probably get in german TV
[11:08] <highvoltage> aah
[11:08] <mhz> sure, RichEd. In fact, I sent about 5 emails to Mark telling what is going on, and that we needed help...no response.
[11:09] <ogra> with some additional advantage of a bunch of schools in byern switching to edubuntu :)
[11:09] <ogra> *bayern
[11:09] <mhz> RichEd: politically it is the time for being agressive in LAm, so is the time for market
[11:09] <RichEd> mhz: i think i'm supposed to help him with this ... filter & digest & consolidate ... preserve bandwidth
[11:09] <RichEd> and i wil respond :)
[11:09] <mhz> RichEd: sure, I undersand
[11:09] <RichEd> will <- will
[11:10] <mhz> RichEd: and I will pke if not :D
[11:10] <mhz> poke
[11:10] <mhz> hehehe
[11:10] <HedgeMage> lol
[11:10] <ogra> heh
[11:10] <highvoltage> RichEd: i just set up a filter for mhz
[11:10] <cbx33> mhz, use a tazer :p
[11:10] <mhz> lol
[11:11] <mhz> not yet, let's see him in action firts
[11:11] <HedgeMage> cbx33: that's just evil... I like it ;)
[11:11] <mhz> cbx33: remember he may fight back ;)
[11:11] <HedgeMage> RichEd: lol freudian slip?
[11:11] <ogra> heh
[11:11] <RichEd> nope .. that one was quite intentional ;)
[11:11] <cbx33> hadn't thought of that
[11:11] <mhz> cbx33: but I can throw him a WinXP CD and license
[11:11] <mhz> ;)
[11:11] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: so go to sleep :P
[11:11] <ogra> highvoltage, thast the danger if you sit in bed while meeting :)
[11:12] <RichEd> is your "laptop" calling highvoltage ?
[11:12] <ogra> hahaha
[11:12] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm actually lying, probably more dangerous :)
[11:12] <cbx33> ooooh
[11:12] <cbx33> lying.....
[11:12] <RichEd> remember some virus protection please
[11:12] <ogra> i think we're also 12 mins over time ....
[11:13] <ogra> so we should probably close here and move over to ur own room :)
[11:13] <ogra> LaserJock, tell us :)
[11:13] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hey! i've seen you in bed with your wife's laptop too!
[11:13] <ogra> haha
[11:13] <LaserJock> shush
[11:13] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:14] <ogra> ok, any other stuff ?
[11:14] <ogra> going once
[11:14] <AliasVegas> remember everyone... email me you artwork comments! :)
[11:14] <highvoltage> this has been a nice buzzy meeting
[11:14] <ogra> going twice
[11:14] <ogra> AliasVegas, i'll nag them ;)
[11:14] <cbx33> test grasynco
[11:14] <mhz> AliasVegas: yeah, but URL?
[11:14] <ogra> yeah, test the milestone CDs !
[11:15] <highvoltage> mhz: that's comments of previous releae
[11:15] <ogra> report BUGS !!
[11:15] <ogra> meeting ....
[11:15] <highvoltage> may the force be with you.
[11:15] <ogra> .... adjourned
[11:15] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:15] <ogra> thanks everyone !
[11:15] <cbx33> phew
[11:15] <ogra> :)
[11:15] <mhz> THX all!
[11:15] <RichEd> thanks all ... nice to meet you and great to be on board
[11:15] <ogra> lol
[11:15] <AliasVegas> :)
[11:15] <ogra> cbx33, we had worse ones :)
[11:16] <cbx33> hehe
[11:16] <ogra> actually i found that one very productive :)
[11:16] <ogra> in all areas ...
[11:16] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:21] <AliasVegas> night guys!  :)
[11:22] <teolemon> good night