[19:20] <Village> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras - E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-restricted-extras what's can be wrong?
[19:21] <Blueking> high risk to take ?
[19:21] <cap> *GParted*  (not BParted)
[19:21] <badbodh> cap, i love bparted. also martin scorses' dparted.
[19:22] <badbodh> Blueking, you are messing with /boot and / partitions. high risk comes with territory. make backups.
[19:22] <cap> badbodh: BParted was a typo.  Sorry for the mistake.
[19:22] <Village> Guys, how i can install ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[19:22] <cap> (Not an accurate typer)
[19:22] <Blueking> ok, since it's my router pc I might skip it.. not so much hassle using autoremove
[19:22] <badbodh> Village, "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[19:23] <cap> Village: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras (providing you have Ubuntu installed)
[19:23] <baldr> BluesKaj, http://justpaste.it/oeaq here are the listings cleaned
[19:23] <badbodh> else kubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu/boombuntu-restricted-extras wherever applicable
[19:23] <Village> badbodh, cap, i got error E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:24] <Village> what's can be?
[19:24] <badbodh> Village, run in terminal "sudo apt-get update|pastebinit"
[19:25] <opsman> village; "apt search restricted | grep extra" in terminal..
[19:25] <badbodh> if you don;t have pastebinit installed, do install it
[19:25] <cap> Village: lsb_release -i  (What does that say?)
[19:25] <badbodh> response is rather overwhelming :)
[19:25] <opsman> village: returned a list with ubuntu-restricted on my machine
[19:26] <Village> cap, Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[19:26] <AlinaM> how to clone bios settings and specs of machine on boot with ubuntu? is it possible?
[19:26] <ioria> wonderworld, var=var1    echo ${#var}
[19:27] <cap> Village: Then is should work.  Tell us the exact error.  (As badbodh suggests, use pastebinit)
[19:27] <baldr> BluesKaj, Here is a screenshot of the qJackCtl settings I had set: http://justpaste.it/oeaq   the FCA610 is listed under interface but when it's selected and I hit start, it does not appear in the pulse audio listings as it used to
[19:27] <Village> opsman, texlive-latex-extra/trusty 2013.20140215-2 all
[19:27] <Village> only found
[19:27] <badbodh> opsman, cap i bet his repo needs to be refreshed. maybe change mirror and apt-get update
[19:28] <Village> i was try update
[19:28] <Blueking> I see problem with rezise of /boot partition are it must be free space in same area of hdd for /boot partition and usually there aren't
[19:28] <cap> Village: You might first try:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:28] <opsman> village: ahh..yes i am on vivid...not trusty.
[19:28] <badbodh> ...and ? finish your sentence Village , don;t leave us hanging
[19:28] <Blueking> "You can re-size boot if you had contiguous space but i'm guess you don't since root file system was probably directly after boot."
[19:28] <Village> cap, http://pastebin.com/Dmhkvxzn
[19:29] <Blueking> guess it doesn't matter if it's hdd or ssd
[19:30] <cap> Village: lsb_release -r   (Tell us what that says.)
[19:30] <x00e> hello guys. did an upgrade yesterday from 14.10 to 15.04 and having some issues. more exactly, my keyboard shortcuts do not work anymore. that includes normal shortcuts, like Super+some_key and the ones assigned to media keys. any hints from here i could start ?
[19:30] <Village> cap, i try sudo apt-get upgrade then i will try normaly
[19:31] <badbodh> Village, update, not upgrade. that's for maybe later. we need to know  if your mirror is running.
[19:31] <Village> i try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:31] <badbodh> upgrade is optional. fix your problem first.
[19:32] <Village> need wait, maybe this is and is problem
[19:32] <Village> error same:/
[19:32] <badbodh> run "sudo apt-get update" and share output on pastebin
[19:32] <Village> Release:        14.04
[19:33] <Village> badbodh, it;s to much info
[19:33] <Village> cap, version is 14.04
[19:33] <cap> badbodh: You should tell him to share output only if it errors out.
[19:33] <Bashing-om> Village: "Filename: pool/multiverse/u/ubuntu-restricted-extras/ubuntu-restricted-extras_60_amd64.deb " After update is run, make sure the 'multiverse' repo is enabled in software sources .
[19:33] <cap> Village: Ok.  So how does this work for you?:  sudo apt-get update
[19:34] <badbodh> cap, how will he know if it errors out. he sees "too much info"
[19:34] <cap> Village: (Any errors?)
[19:34] <Village> cap no i think so it's updating much information
[19:34] <badbodh> give it some time
[19:35] <badbodh> cap, piping the whole thing into pastebinit or gist-paste helps to pinpoint which repo is failing.
[19:35] <cap> badbodh: You are correct.
[19:35] <Village> http://pastebin.com/k9W3rxPS it's update
[19:36] <Village> cap
[19:36] <cap> Village: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:36] <Village> i paste update
[19:36] <BluesKaj> baldr, do you really need pulseaudio with this mixer ?
[19:36] <badbodh> cap, whoa. NO
[19:36] <cap> Village: Yes, and there appears to be no errors.,
[19:37] <badbodh> he wants codecs not a new version
[19:37] <badbodh> Village, nope. don't dist-upgrade
[19:38] <Village> cap, i done with dist-upgrade
[19:38] <BluesKaj> badbodh, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade to new OS
[19:38] <badbodh> BluesKaj, it don;t? ok then
[19:38] <cap> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will not upgrade to a new Ubuntu release. It will just install available updates for the Ubuntu release you already have installed.
[19:38] <baldr> BluesKaj, I dont need pulse specifically if I can replace it with another.  My biggest requirement is simply being able to use it as my primary audio interface since it's what connects my speakers (TRS connections, cant plug them into my computer 3.5 jacks directly)
[19:39] <BluesKaj> badbodh, sudo do-release-upgrade will tho
[19:39] <cap> Village: Ok, then try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras again.
[19:39] <badbodh> noted
[19:40] <cap> badbodh: (Things have changed....:)
[19:40] <Village> cap, same error
[19:40] <Village> :/
[19:40] <Village> E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:40] <cap> Village: Pastebin the exact error
[19:40] <Village> i was
[19:40] <Village> http://pastebin.com/Dmhkvxzn
[19:42] <cap> Village: apt-cache policy ubuntu-restricted-extras |pastebinit
[19:42] <BluesKaj> baldr, actaully IMO alsa should be your primary audio interface , pulse is just a sound server for users who want simultaneous multiple audio sources playing, and some flash audio websites that some audio chips need because their drivers rely on pulse for webaudio support, intel audio is the exception
[19:42] <baldr> BluesKaj, so how would I swap, not familiar
[19:42] <Bashing-om> cap: Village Check 'etc/apt/sources.list' that the multiverse repo is enabled .
[19:43] <baldr> BluesKaj, actually let me look it up first i'll get back to you if i have issues
[19:43] <BluesKaj> no swap baldr , pulse rides on top of alsa, it's not a replacement for it
[19:43] <badbodh> Bashing-om, it isn't, only security multiverse is enabled
[19:44] <baldr> BluesKaj, so probably removing pulse altogether would be close to enough
[19:44] <Village> Bashing-om, let's try, thank you
[19:44] <BluesKaj> yup, purging is best
[19:44] <BluesKaj> baldr,^
[19:44] <baldr> saw it, thanks
[19:44] <cap> Bashing-om: Yea, that must be it.
[19:45]  * badbodh and cap feel stupid :(
[19:45] <BluesKaj> baldr, purge both pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils
[19:45] <Bashing-om> cap: Only 1 possibility of many . but easiest to check .
[19:45] <Village> cap, how i need know or repo enabled?
[19:46] <baldr> BluesKaj, then i'd assume an alsa force-reload command
[19:46] <cap> Village: sudo apt-add-repository multiverse && apt-get update
[19:46] <cap> Village: sudo apt-add-repository multiverse && sudo apt-get update
[19:46] <Village> sudo: apt-add-repository: command not found
[19:46] <BluesKaj> baldr, I always reboot
[19:47] <baldr> alright brgb
[19:47] <badbodh> Village, in control center> software sources/properties/some-other-name > first tab. tick the boxes.
[19:47] <baldr> brb
[19:47] <Village> badbodh, it's vps
[19:48] <badbodh> what's vps? no gui? server stuff ?
[19:48] <Village> cap, how i know or multiverse repo is enabled?
[19:48] <cap> Village: The graphical way to enable/disable repositories is to Open Software center, navigate to the "Ubuntu software" tab at the top, select (check off) multiverse.
[19:48] <Village> badbodh, yes no gui
[19:48] <badbodh> go to /etc/apt folder, check sources.list file and sources.list.d folder, multiverse entry will be #-ed
[19:48] <badbodh> remove #
[19:49] <x00e> guys, does anyone know how i can reset the keyboards shortcuts in gnome 3.14.4? or what`s the config file for them ?
[19:50] <Bashing-om> Village: cap badbodh Let's remove the guessing ( new user) and see what is ' cat /etc/apt/sources.list  | pastebinit ' .
[19:51] <cap> Village: pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:51] <Village> badbodh, there no multiverse entry i think so
[19:51] <cap> Village: Show us resulting link
[19:51] <badbodh> Village, run the above ^
[19:52] <Village> http://pastebin.com/hfDZKXp9
[19:52] <cap> Village: Did you try the command?: "sudo apt-add-repository multiverse && sudo apt-get update"
[19:52] <Village> One not original entry, i entered my self, maybe it's error?
[19:52] <badbodh> Bashing-om, that's where you come in. i don;t ubuntu, so can't pinpoint exact files :)
[19:53] <Village> cap, yes: sudo: apt-add-repository: command not found
[19:53] <skyjumper> should i be getting 404s from the ubuntu repos? http://pastie.org/pastes/10491418/text?key=ynghgyitlselel12a1uhw
[19:53] <badbodh> Village, in each line add "multiverse" at the end. and remove that $ sign, it's irksome
[19:53] <baldr> BluesKaj, don't see a change.  using the alsa mixer to look,  not seeing it in the list
[19:54] <badbodh> Village, your first line will become "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main restricted universe multiverse" follow the same trend in trusty-updates and trusty-security
[19:55] <MikeRL> Well, I'm back with another question. Once again, thanks to anyone whome helps ahead of time.
[19:55] <badbodh> Village, no need to add multiverse in pasrtner and acestream entries
[19:55] <MikeRL> I noticed that there is a proposed update for flash player, but I don't see it yet, even though I have proposed updates checked off under Software Sources.
[19:55] <MikeRL> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/1:20151016.2-0vivid1
[19:56] <BluesKaj> baldr, does it show with F6 in alsamixer
[19:56] <badbodh> Village, share that on pastebin after you save it
[19:56] <MikeRL> I thought ticking off proposed updates meant that I'd get them.
[19:56] <cap> Village: sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ thirsty universe multiverse"
[19:57] <badbodh> cap, not needed. he better edit text file directly. needs to remove that pesky $ sign too
[19:57] <baldr> BluesKaj, negative
[19:58] <badbodh> lol, add-apt and apt-add. minute differences are annoying
[19:58] <cap> Has add-apt-repository been deprecated?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> baldr, well I guess you need to reinstall pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils ..I'm out of ideas
[19:58] <Bashing-om> badbodh: Getting a nadle on it Village's problem.
[19:58] <baldr> BluesKaj, yea i'll keep lookin.  thanks for the help
[19:59] <Village> now badbodh, http://pastebin.com/SHxiCJUk good?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> yw , i guess, good luck with your search, baldr
[19:59] <Village> cap, i try add that line
[19:59] <badbodh> Village, all clear. now apt-get update and upgrade again
[20:00] <BluesKaj> think I'll call it a day
[20:00] <badbodh> then install restricted thingy
[20:00] <Village> badbodh, wait i tell what's happenings
[20:00] <MikeRL> I downloaded and installed the update manually, but why doesn't ticking off proposed updates under software sources enable me to get that proposed update?
[20:00] <oyl> sooooo
[20:00] <oyl> Tht was fun!
[20:00] <oyl> I ended up installing Ubuntu 15 from USB finally!
[20:01] <oyl> I downloaded the ISO to my phone using a program called Drive Droid, installed from that
[20:01] <max11> help, please ... somehow my /music/artists folder (with all my music) just got deleted. I didn't rm and was just using the caja window manager. The folder is still being played by the mocp mp3 player but the folder is missing and Trash is empty
[20:01] <badbodh> Bashing-om, "nadle" ? needle? handle?
[20:01] <cap> Village: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12851017/
[20:01] <badbodh> oyl, yay! enjoy!
[20:01] <skyjumper> anyone know why apt-get update would get a 404 on the ubuntu repos? http://pastie.org/pastes/10491432/text?key=qwhdoqssw1nlcdgndhwgoa
[20:02] <badbodh> cap, you kidding ?
[20:02] <Bashing-om> badbodh: Yeah, handle * cat in lap .. wants to larn to type . I am a fine one to give lessons :)
[20:02] <oyl> ok quetion, how do i find out what windows manager i am using? its default on ubuntu.  I want themes
[20:03] <oyl> and widgets and stuff
[20:03] <k1l> skyjumper: try to change servers, maybe that is a routing issue with your ISP
[20:03] <Village> cap, it's happening with badbodh idea
[20:03] <badbodh> oyl, main edition has unity DE, compiz wm.
[20:03] <k1l> oyl: if its ubuntu it would be unity
[20:03] <oyl> can i get some cool themes?
[20:03] <guest_85383> sudo apt-get hello!
[20:04] <k1l> oyl: well, search for unity themes and pick some you like :)
[20:04] <badbodh> oyl, yes. search for gtk3 themes, window manager doesn;t use a separate theme in unity.
[20:04] <cap> Village: Good.
[20:04] <Bashing-om> oyl: To know the Destop run terminal command ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ' .
[20:04] <badbodh> kinda linked.
[20:04] <oyl> so just to be straight i am using UNITY?
[20:04] <skyjumper> could apt-get be trying to get "Packages" when only "Packages.gz" is available?
[20:04] <Village> cap, badbodh, thanks it's works install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:05] <MikeRL> I wonder if whatever server it's using from the US is somehow messed up or something.
[20:05] <skyjumper> hmm works fine on an identical machine
[20:05] <badbodh> !cookie| Village
[20:05] <cap> skyjumper: Try and access http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ from your browser.
[20:05] <skyjumper> cap: yeah it's fine from there
[20:05] <badbodh> !cookie | Village
[20:05] <guest_85383> http://www.instructables.com/files/orig/FVS/K9UA/I7ELE5OW/FVSK9UAI7ELE5OW.png
[20:05] <badbodh> cookie don;t work ?
[20:05] <Village> what's means this command?
[20:06] <badbodh> !help | badbodh
[20:06] <skyjumper> changed mirrors and it works
[20:06] <badbodh> Village, nothing. it's a bot thingy
[20:06] <badbodh> does fun stuff
[20:06] <guest_85383> http://rlv.zcache.com/sudo_apt_get_install_girlfriend_tshirt-r552c5b9866594e9e99098c160b6882fd_va6lr_324.jpg
[20:06] <Village> now i can install somehow? vlc-plugins-pulse
[20:06] <k1l> guest_85383: please keep this channel for support only. we have #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[20:06] <skyjumper> guest_85383: that's definitely how you get the ladies
[20:07] <badbodh> Village, vlc should have pulse output inbuilt, no separate plugin
[20:07] <guest_85383> OK
[20:07] <badbodh> open preferences > audio > output > choose pulse audio server
[20:07] <Village> badbodh, it's no gui
[20:07] <Village> let me try run what i try
[20:07] <badbodh> Village, arghhh. i forget.
[20:07] <cap> skyjumper: pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:08] <OerHeks> Village, so you want to stream a movie to a VPN, that has no gui .. how would you want to watch that?
[20:08] <cap> skyjumper: Let's have a look.
[20:08] <skyjumper> cap: it was just a plain us.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:08] <k1l> skyjumper: again: it could be a routing issue. just change the mirror or wait some time
[20:09] <Village> OerHeks, it's different, i want run aceproxy and watch at windows per vps..
[20:09] <skyjumper> yeah, changing mirrors did it
[20:09] <badbodh> Village, ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc add this line "aout=pulse"
[20:10] <cap> skyjumper: should have /ubuntu on the end of it.
[20:10] <skyjumper> cap: yep
[20:10] <Village> badbodh, i can't find ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc
[20:11] <Village> where it's should be?
[20:11] <cap> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[20:11] <skyjumper> yes, again, it's fine
[20:11] <skyjumper> was a bone stock sources.list
[20:11] <badbodh> Village, look in your home directory '.config'
[20:12] <badbodh> if file isn't there just create one with nano/vim and write aout=pulse , save and exit
[20:12] <Village> badbodh, not are
[20:12] <cap> Village: apt-cache policy vlc
[20:13] <Village> wait little bit i still try
[20:13] <oyl> hey guys i added a repository for themes and downloaded one and sudo apt-get installed it succefully,  where do i go about loading it? in the section where it has themes it just has 3 of the default themes, doesnt show the one i just downloaded
[20:13] <oyl> how do i load it?
[20:13] <k1l> oyl: ask the one who runs that repo?
[20:13] <badbodh> oyl, for third party themes, install unity-tweak-tool. it's a handy app, but use it with caution. don;t enable/disable something you don;t understand.
[20:14] <MikeRL> Well, I see proposed updates under synaptic, but this is under partner, not main or multiverse, etc.
[20:14] <MikeRL> Maybe thay
[20:14] <MikeRL> *that is the issue.
[20:14] <oyl> badbodh, lol i don't understand anything on linux really lol
[20:14] <badbodh> extract themes in either ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes folder. tweak tool will pick it up
[20:14] <oyl> thank
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> oyl  learn linux like you learned windows or mac: by using it
[20:15] <badbodh> oyl, follow instructions and read documentations. you don;t have to understand the meaning of life and string theory for using ubuntu.
[20:15] <cap> oyl: It's worth it....
[20:16] <Kozuch> hello, what are the chances that a Lenovo IdeaPad G50-80 laptop (Intel Core i3-4005U and AMD Radeon R5 M330) will just work fine with Ubuntu? It has an exchangeable mini-PCI wifi but what chances are that Ethernet and touchpad will work ok?
[20:16] <Kozuch> it is this laptop: http://www.czc.cz/lenovo-ideapad-g50-80-cervena_4/175475/produkt
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> Kozuch  create a live dvd or usb, so you can try it first
[20:17] <Bashing-om> !hcl | Kozuch
[20:17] <badbodh> Village, vlc specific issues can be better supported in #videolan channel
[20:17] <Village> badbodh, thanks, i got error  ts demux error: MPEG-4 descriptor not found
[20:18] <badbodh> join ^ that channel an ask if you get vlc errors. for ubuntu errors you can ask here.
[20:18] <Village> ok, thanks again guys
[20:18] <badbodh> Bashing-om, i think ubottu dies
[20:18] <badbodh> *died
[20:19] <Kozuch> MonkeyDust, I want to order it online (no physicall access before buying)
[20:20] <Kozuch> Bashing-om, ?
[20:20] <MonkeyDust> Kozuch  is this useful http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/
[20:22] <Kozuch> MonkeyDust, I know this site but it does not list this Lenovo. Well, my main concern is Ethernet - I guess there is like 99.999% chance it will work because most chipsets are supported?
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> Kozuch  yes, ethernet is "normal" and needs no configuration, as opposed to wifi
[20:23] <Bashing-om> Kozuch: See'n as how our bot is not responding .. see: if 'http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/' answers your question .
[20:23] <MikeRL> And it seems proposed doesn't include partner updates. Can anyone confirm this?
[20:23] <MikeRL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[20:24] <MikeRL> But I can see them on the Launchpad website.
[20:27] <badbodh> Bashing-om, who handles the bot ?
[20:27] <Bashing-om> MikeRL: "proposed" and "partner" repos are separate entities, they may or may not be related, depending on what is being fetched or updated .
[20:28] <cap> Village: Most of us do not use vlc.  It is usually not needed.
[20:28] <cap> Village: There are other players
[20:28] <Bashing-om> badbodh: The bots are the responsibility of the channel ops . I bet they are aware and working on it . In the past they have been quick to take action .
[20:29] <badbodh> ok
[20:29] <Village> cap, i need vlc only for that i can watch multiple channels via aceproxy..
[20:30] <MikeRL> Bashing-om, I figured it out using my head.
[20:30] <MikeRL> I manually added this URL: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-proposed/partner/
[20:30] <badbodh> Village, folks on #videolan may be able to answer that better. but since you are trying something really geeky, you may have to figure it out yourself.
[20:31] <MikeRL> And now at least Flash will get updated quicker.
[20:31] <badbodh> ask your question and wait for a few hours. usually someone or the other comes by
[20:31] <MikeRL> Well, I had proposed updates and partner repos ticked off, but for some reason, that didn't enable proposed partner repos.
[20:31] <MikeRL> Is that intended, or is it a bug?
[20:32] <coffeeguy> hi what's the chown syntax for making a second harddrive the users?
[20:32] <coffeeguy> read write*
[20:33] <coffeeguy> chown -R /drive?
[20:33] <badbodh> coffeeguy, search "chown" in wikipedia, or just run "man chown"
[20:33] <coffeeguy> kk
[20:33] <cap> coffeeguy: You don't chown hard drives, you chown files
[20:35] <cap> coffeeguy: And read write permissions are a different process, see man chmod
[20:35] <MikeRL> Bashing-om, Do you think I stumbled across a bug?
[20:35] <cap> coffeeguy: ownership vs permissions
[20:35] <badbodh> coffeeguy, ^ check out both chown and chmod. and ask here before you run them. wrong/typo is bad here.
[20:37] <MikeRL> I mean, you'd think if the user ticked off both proposed updates and partner updates, proposed partner updates would apply as well.
[20:38] <MikeRL> I've been transferring a PPA backup I made across Ubuntu installs, and maybe something got messed up, even though I edit it when switching versions.
[20:38] <MikeRL> I should use a Live CD and try enabling the proposed and partner repos and see if that repo is added.
[20:39] <MikeRL> If it isn't I should ask someone if it's intentional behavior.
[20:39] <k1l> MikeRL: partner repo doesnt have proposed
[20:39] <MikeRL> Does too.
[20:39] <Bashing-om> MikeRL: Like you I had assumed separate proposed and partner to have worked . Look'n at proposed/partner I see no reason to fault . Maybe I too am in a learning mode here .
[20:39] <MikeRL> At least I found a way to add it.
[20:39] <k1l> MikeRL: that is not the standard then
[20:40] <MikeRL> Is it supposed to be in there when both proposed and partner are enabled?
[20:40] <k1l> MikeRL: proposed might be just for the automated tests then. like it is on the development releases main repos
[20:40] <MikeRL> Well, I got my flash updated by adding it.
[20:41] <MikeRL> I just wonder if when the user has both proposed and partner enabled, why proposed doesn't apply to partner repos.
[20:41] <MikeRL> Should I talk to someone who would know this?
[20:41] <MikeRL> It may logically make sense.
[20:41] <k1l> MikeRL: where did you get that you need to enable parter proposed?
[20:41] <k1l> *partner
[20:42]  * nuno_nunes boa noite a todos
[20:42] <popey> Pretty sure partner proposed is not intended to be used by end users at all
[20:42] <MikeRL> I felt the need to because I use the adobe-flash-properties-gtk package and another package that had not yet been updated for that flash hole that was recently found.
[20:43] <MikeRL> I searched Launchpad, and came across the update, but it was a proposed update in the partner repository.
[20:43] <k1l> popey: that is why i recall, yes
[20:43] <popey> Being in partner proposed typically means it's under test and not ready for release
[20:43] <MikeRL> So, I downloaded and installed it, and then went forth to include the repo under Software Sources because I wanted the flash update.
[20:43] <popey> but putting it there makes it easy for QA people to obtain
[20:44] <MKCoin> Question: if the harddrive were to become completely full from root use, would linux utilize an external HD to continue operation?
[20:44] <MikeRL> And flash player was patched in the main repos. But just the installer. Not the GTK applet and full package.
[20:44] <MikeRL> So, using this repo ensures it is updated quicker.
[20:44] <popey> MKCoin: not by default
[20:44] <popey> MKCoin: things in partner proposed will move to partner once QA approved
[20:44] <MikeRL> And, logically speaking, enabling both proposed and partner should enable proposed partner updates.
[20:45] <MikeRL> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-proposed/partner/
[20:45] <MikeRL> And they do exist.
[20:45] <MKCoin> thanks
[20:45] <k1l> MikeRL: do you know what proposed is used for?
[20:45] <MikeRL> Testing.
[20:45] <MikeRL> I don't mind it - haven't had any issues over the years.
[20:45] <MikeRL> I wanted that security update, so I went ahead.
[20:45] <k1l> MikeRL: so what is the issue now?
[20:46] <MikeRL> The issue now is that I don't know why enabling both proposed updates and partner repos does not enable these sources I found.
[20:46] <MikeRL> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-proposed/partner/
[20:46] <k1l> you wanted a package before its aproved and put into the main/partner repos. you got it by fiddeling with proposed.
[20:46] <MikeRL> You'd think enabling both would include proposed partner updates, wouldn't you?
[20:47] <k1l> MikeRL: because that is not meant to be done
[20:47] <popey> what do you mean "partner updates"?
[20:47] <MikeRL> Canonical has a partner repo.
[20:47] <MikeRL> And proposed repos.
[20:47] <popey> I know, I work for them :)
[20:47] <MikeRL> So, I went to enable both of them. I don't mind an extra bug or two.
[20:47] <popey> No, they're sections of a repo
[20:47] <popey> not separate repos
[20:47] <popey> Yes, you've told us you've enabled them and why
[20:48] <MikeRL> But I particularly wanted the Flash Player security update.
[20:48] <popey> What's your technical support question?
[20:48] <MikeRL> And is there some reason why when a user enables both proposed and partner, that proposed partner updates aren't inlcuded?
[20:48] <MikeRL> Only when both are checked off.
[20:48] <popey> Because that's not how the partner repo is structured
[20:48] <popey> there is no updates section to the partner repo
[20:49] <popey> It's not architected in the same way as the main ubuntu archive
[20:49] <MikeRL> So, only the latest version?
[20:49] <popey> the main archive is frozen at release, updates go into the -updates pocket
[20:49] <MikeRL> But this isn't exactly related to that.
[20:49] <popey> but the Canonical partner repo has no such freeze, so no need for the updates pocket
[20:49] <popey> yes, it is
[20:50] <MikeRL> Maybe I used the word updates incorrectly.
[20:50] <popey> No, you didn't
[20:50] <MikeRL> I meant proposed updates not as in a repo. Bad word choice on my part.
[20:50] <MikeRL> Typing too fast.
[20:50] <MikeRL> Let me clarify.
[20:50] <popey> You don't need to!
[20:50] <popey> I understand your question fully.
[20:50] <budRich> yahoo
[20:51] <popey> I have explained the answer - there _is_ not updates pocket on the partner archive, because it doesn't freeze like the standard archive.
[20:52] <MikeRL> But is there some reason why enabling both the partner repo AND the proposed repo only enabled proposed updates for most other sections (main, universe, etc.) but not proposed partner?
[20:52] <k1l> MikeRL: yes because partner proposed is not meant to be used
[20:52] <popey> Because there is _no_ updates section for the proposed archive.
[20:52] <popey> As I have explained twice.
[20:52] <MikeRL> Well, they're not updates technically.
[20:52] <MikeRL> So, give me a minute.
[20:53] <popey> Updates for partner packages go to proposed (or directly to partner) as soon as they're ready / tested
[20:53] <MikeRL> So, you're saying it's hidden, even for users that want prerelease updates?
[20:53] <popey> I didn't say that.
[20:54] <MikeRL> But checking off proposed enables all other proposed repos but partner.
[20:54] <MikeRL> Hmm.
[20:54] <popey> It could be a bug somewhere that adds incorrect lines to a sources.list - I don't know how you're doing that or what's in yours.
[20:54] <k1l> MikeRL: there is just no "one time click" solution. since its not intended for general usage
[20:54] <Bashing-om> MikeRL: As reference see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed .
[20:54] <popey> We don't recommend using proposed generally.
[20:54] <MikeRL> I will check a live cd and see if the issue is there.
[20:55] <MikeRL> But then why can we enable proposed for everything but that one section? I read that page.
[20:55] <popey> Because we don't recommend you do that.
[20:55] <MikeRL> Is it that you don't want the general public testing that stuff, even testers?
[20:55] <popey> In short, yes.
[20:56] <popey> Because if it's broken they come here or other support channels complaining
[20:56] <popey> (about stuff which hasn't been released)
[20:56] <MikeRL> Well, thanks.
[20:56] <MikeRL> And that stuff is likely harder to communicate on since it's likely closed.
[20:56] <MikeRL> And it wastes even more time.
[20:56] <popey> Indeed
[20:56] <MikeRL> But I guess I'll use it. Just for that flash update.
[20:57] <MikeRL> Which reminds me, I wish someone would push that from proposed to something stable.
[20:57] <MikeRL> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+package/adobe-flash-properties-gtk
[20:58] <OneM_Industries> Hey, anyone know if it is possible to read Kindle book on Ubuntu? And if so, how?
[20:58] <MikeRL> Here's a better URL.
[20:58] <MikeRL> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin
[20:58] <MikeRL> One of the flash packages was updated.
[20:58] <k1l> MikeRL: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:49:16 +0100  it was a weekend. urgency is medium.
[20:58] <MikeRL> But another two have updates, but they're still only proposed.
[20:58] <MikeRL> Well, I guess that's fine.
[20:59] <MikeRL> I just tend to freak out over flash holes.
[20:59] <MikeRL> I have a tinfoil hat.
[20:59] <k1l> well, dont use flash if you dont like security issues. flash is unsafe by setup
[20:59] <MikeRL> I set it to click to play and think before I enable the thing.
[21:00] <MikeRL> Maybe it's good that Adobe abandoned Linux development for a lot of their stuff.
[21:00] <MikeRL> That means less gaping security holes.
[21:01] <k1l> that doesnt change the hillarious issues with their back compatibility back to the first flash versions. so even if you do everything right its still a unsafe flash.
[21:01]  * popey thinks this discussion might be better elsewhere :)
[21:01] <k1l> yep
[21:03] <cluelessperson> hey guys, I'm trying out ubuntu desktop, however, I'm running into several issues.  I'm not sure my graphics chpi (5500 in the intel 5th 5600 cpu) is being used.   And my battery life is showing MUCH lower than what i'd expect for it.
[21:04] <popey> cluelessperson: is it a dual-gpu machine?
[21:04] <cluelessperson> popey, no.
[21:04] <cluelessperson> an twok while installing steam (although likely not ubuntu's fault) the OS crashed.
[21:05] <popey> cluelessperson: if you see something on the screen then your GPU is in use.
[21:05] <popey> cluelessperson: sadly I'm not surprised at poorer battery life
[21:05] <cluelessperson> popey, not really.  there's a difference between the default generic standard, and advanced features a gpu driver might support
[21:06] <cluelessperson> I can't use this if it's going to reduce my 10 hour battery life to 2 hours.
[21:06] <popey> cluelessperson: not really on intel GPUs
[21:07] <cluelessperson> ah
[21:09] <k1l> cluelessperson: make sure you have the intel-microcode checked on the prop.driver tab in the system settings > software and updates
[21:11] <cluelessperson> k1l, no prop drivers are showing
[21:13] <hyde> hi all
[21:15] <cluelessperson> this is always my experience with linux desktop.  it doesn't work
[21:17] <skyjumper> if you need it to 'just work' there is another OS for that
[21:17] <popey> cluelessperson: What specifically doesn't work today?
[21:18] <OerHeks> I am sure there is intel microcode available ..
[21:18] <cluelessperson> popey, Battery life down to 2 from 10 hours.  Steam install through ubuntu package gui crashed the OS, flickering screen and all.
[21:18] <cluelessperson> OerHeks, fantastic, and how much work is it going to take to get it?
[21:18] <k1l> cluelessperson: so what cpu is that exactly? is it a i5? what ubuntu is it exactly?
[21:18] <popey> cluelessperson: the battery life isn't an easy one to fix unfortunately
[21:18] <OerHeks> cluelessperson, it is in the same driver menu
[21:18] <daftykins> already stated 5th gen, so it's a broadwell.
[21:19] <cluelessperson> k1l, Yes.  Intel 5600 i7 3.2ghz with 5500 hd broadwell graphics.
[21:19] <k1l> well, my thinkpad x230 works like a charm :/
[21:19] <daftykins> and which ubuntu version?
[21:19] <cluelessperson> maybe the linux community is being sabotaged
[21:19] <cluelessperson> k1l, Thinkpad Carbon X1 3rd gen here.
[21:20] <daftykins> ah i've worked with one of those.
[21:20] <cluelessperson> my work pc is 450
[21:20] <popey> We have a few people who have X1 Carbons at Canonical.
[21:20] <daftykins> i don't see what relevance another system has
[21:21] <cluelessperson> daftykins, 15 I believe.
[21:21] <daftykins> cluelessperson: confirm with "cat /etc/issue"
[21:21] <daftykins> and '15' is not a version
[21:22] <daguito81> hello all!  Just installed Ubuntu.. new to this linux world
[21:22] <daftykins> daguito81: ok, support questions only in here - #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[21:26] <cluelessperson> daftykins, 14.04.3
[21:26] <daftykins> cluelessperson: "uname -r" ?
[21:27] <cluelessperson> dag, sup
[21:27] <cluelessperson> daftykins, 3.19.0-25-generic
[21:27] <daftykins> ok, so you already have the vivid HWE stack
[21:28] <daftykins> cluelessperson: that's an older kernel though, so i'd dist-upgrade if i were you
[21:28] <daftykins> cluelessperson: i figure you have two choices, you could try installing the wily mainline kernel (which is v4.2 i believe) or you can wait for 15.10 to release and upgrade to that.
[21:29] <daftykins> !mainline
[21:29] <daftykins> hmm nice work ubottu - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[21:33] <magua> hello can you help me with ubuntu mate 15.04 and netflix
[21:35] <daftykins> magua: install chrome/chromium and pepperflash, then you should be able to give it a try.
[21:36] <magua> I tried chrome but it seems to buffer always
[21:36] <daftykins> perhaps your connection is rubbish?
[21:36] <wonderworld> magua: i think netflix uses drm functions in adobe flash. you need firefox and a special version of flash for ff.
[21:36] <BitNova> hi\
[21:36] <BitNova> hi
[21:37] <OerHeks> magua, the only browser that works OOTB with netflix is chrome, AFAIK
[21:37] <magua> ????what causes the slow buffering
[21:37] <wonderworld> magua: sorry, OerHeks is right.... i was talking about Amazon Instant Video
[21:38] <BitNova> can someone tell me why in xfce4 whenever i try to mount an internal drive via nautilus it asks for the root password, yet when i log on to unity the default desktop, it doesnt ask for a password. bearing in mind i log in with the same user account.
[21:39] <daftykins> BitNova: what about with xfce's default file manager?
[21:39] <daftykins> kinda defeats the purpose using xfce then running nautilus
[21:39] <TJ-> BitNova: probably, because the Gnome/Unity GUI uses udisks to mount devices under /media/$USER/ whereas the XFCE nautilus tries to do it directly, which requires UID 0 privileges
[21:39] <BitNova> sorry, i meant xfce4's file manager..
[21:40] <daftykins> why wouldn't you just have an internal disk mounted via fstab, BitNova ?
[21:40] <BitNova> TJ-, so how can i include udisks to use xfce4 ?
[21:41] <magua> how can i increase buffering
[21:41] <daftykins> magua: possibly a poor connection, is this a laptop?
[21:41] <BitNova> even if i click on mount options in the disks2 utility in xfce4, and i manually put in the parameters.. it still wont let me mount without a password
[21:41] <BitNova> daftykins,
[21:42] <daftykins> BitNova: but why mount manually at all, why not set it in /etc/fstab for every boot, as is standard?
[21:42] <TJ-> BitNova: I'm not sure; A long time since I used XFCE in anger
[21:42] <wonderworld> BitNova: do you want the disk to be available every time you but or just sometimes on demand?
[21:42] <daftykins> this is how it's commonly done.
[21:42] <magua> no its a dell 2400 demension with 1.5 mem and P4 2.40 cpu
[21:42] <daftykins> magua: and your connection to the internet is over a cable to a router, or?
[21:42] <BitNova> everytime wonderworld,
[21:42] <magua> cable
[21:42] <daftykins> magua: probably just too old and rubbish to play netflix then.
[21:43] <daftykins> BitNova: yes then you should have this disk mounted via /etc/fstab and not done manually every boot.
[21:43] <wonderworld> BitNova: as daftykins say, add it to /etc/fstab and it will be mounted automatically while booting.
[21:43] <OerHeks> magua, youtube needs a duo core, no wonder..
[21:43] <BitNova> the other issue is that when it automounts, it mounts as root and group root, and when i put my uid=username, it makes OTHERS  also access everything.
[21:44] <daftykins> BitNova: yes this would also be solved by mounting properly via the fstab file.
[21:44] <BitNova> daftykins, by mounting via the fstab file, can i just put in the paramters in mount options under the disks2 utility?
[21:44] <BitNova> isnt it the same thing
[21:45] <daftykins> no, fstab is the proper way.
[21:45] <daftykins> BitNova: so install pastebinit, then share a "sudo parted -l | pastebinit" and a "pastebinit /etc/fstab"
[21:45] <BitNova> but daftykins howcome i dont have this issue when i log into unity with my username?
[21:46] <daftykins> because it has some automagic user friendly disk mounting options
[21:46] <BitNova> this is only happening with xfce4
[21:46] <daftykins> xfce is a lot less automagic as default
[21:46] <BitNova> i see
[21:46] <daftykins> so you have two choices, do as i am suggesting - or carry on as you are.
[21:47] <BitNova> so using the fstab file will sort out both xfce4 and unity mounting as the same?
[21:47] <TJ-> BitNova: you can also use the 'udisksctl' tool in a terminal to do what the Gnome/Unity GUI apps do in the background :)
[21:47] <BitNova> hey daftykins ?
[21:47] <daftykins> if it were me i'd go the fstab route since the disk would always be there, no further manual intervention
[21:47] <BitNova> okay
[21:48] <daftykins> BitNova: i wouldn't be suggesting it if it didn't...
[21:48] <TJ-> BitNova: e.g. "udisksctl mount --block-device /dev/sdc1" (see "man udisksctl")
[21:48] <BitNova> thanks TJ- il have a look at that too..
[21:56] <BitNova> daftykins, if i put the entries in fstab, will the udisks utility be ignored even if it is set on automatic on mount options?
[21:57] <daftykins> you won't need it, the disk will just be *there* at the chosen mount point
[21:57] <daftykins> there will no longer be all this drama to get to it, it'll just be there :)
[21:57] <BitNova> okay thanx
[22:18] <owen1> i noticed apache is running on boot (ubuntu 15.04). how to not start it on boot?
[22:19] <daftykins> systemctl disable apache2 ?
[22:19] <daftykins> with sudo most likely
[22:19] <owen1> daftykins: thanks! is this the same idea for mongodb?
[22:19] <daftykins> if i'm honest i don't have a clue with systemd yet, so i just got that from - http://www.dynacont.net/documentation/linux/Useful_SystemD_commands/
[22:19] <owen1> ahhah. thanks1
[22:19] <daftykins> but yeah just substitute service name :)
[22:20] <TJ-> owen1: "systemctl disable <service>" is similar to the Upstart " echo manual > /etc/init/<service>.override" and sysv-init "update-rc.d disable <service>"
[22:28] <owen1> i don't see apache or mongo in this list - systemctl list-unit-files --state=enabled        maybe that's not the correct command?
[22:28] <reisio> what makes you think a mongodb service is running?
[22:29] <TJ-> owen1: some services may not have systemd unit files, and be started via its Upstart/Sysv-init compatibility layer. Check for the service files under "/etc/init/" (Upstart) and "/etc/init.d/" (SysV-init)
[22:29] <owen1> reisio: but i see them in 'service --status-all' !  does it mean they are controlled by system init v?
[22:30] <owen1> TJ-: i think you are correct and they are part of system init v.
[22:31] <owen1> so ubuntu 15.04 uses both systemd and system init v....
[22:31] <reisio> TJ- said it was a compatibility layer
[22:31] <Mion> owen1: not at once
[22:31] <reisio> although one could obviously argue that's just as silly
[22:32] <owen1> so in order to stop them i should use this command, right? update-rc.d <service> disable
[22:32] <reisio> I'd guess not
[22:32] <reisio> but I don't know systemd, and don't plan on knowing it :D
[22:32] <Mion> owen1: systemctl stop whatever
[22:32] <Mion> owen1: if you have systemd as pid1
[22:33] <Mion> update-rc.d disable is not the same as stop eithe
[22:33] <owen1> Mion: ps aux will tell me that? (if i have systemd as pid1)
[22:33] <TJ-> owen1: systemd uses 'generators' to create compatible units at run-time. See them in "/lib/systemd/system-generators/"
[22:33] <daftykins> owen1 wants to stop at boot, not just stop once
[22:33] <owen1> i want to stop but also never start them at boot
[22:33] <Mion> </proc/1/comm
[22:34] <Mion> owen1: systemctl disable whatever then
[22:34] <owen1> cat /proc/1/comm => systemd
[22:34] <Mion> or mask, depending on need
[22:34] <Mion> no cat needed
[22:34] <Mion> < takes the fd and spits the content out on stdout
[22:35] <owen1> </proc/1/comm shows nothing
[22:39] <owen1> ok. i disabled it. where does it say that it will not start on boot? (looking at the output of 'status')
[22:44] <owen1> also, why do i still see a + sign next to mongod when i run 'service --status-all' ?
[22:45] <owen1> basicaly i would like to know what services are going to start at boot, to make sure the 'systemctl disable mongod' actualy worked.
[22:46] <reisio> I think someone mentioned that stopping a service and setting it to not start at boot are two separate things
[22:46] <owen1> i run both commands: stop and disable
[22:47] <reisio> owen1: + just means it successfully checked status
[22:47] <creep> anyone knows a good site with linux commands?
[22:48] <reisio> owen1: or maybe it means started, I've now read conflicting information :p
[22:48] <Ben64> creep: command for...?
[22:48] <reisio> Ben64: for linux :p
[22:48] <Ben64> reisio: :|
[22:48] <daftykins> creep: you want to learn CLI i take it?
[22:49] <Mion> creep: https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-linux-linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-2
[22:49] <Mion> creep: also it is not "linux commands", linux is just a kernel, it doesn't have a userland
[22:49] <daftykins> yep that's the course i'd have linked to :)
[22:49] <OerHeks> owen1, from the url you have been handed earlier: systemctl disable foobar.service	Turn the service off for the next reboot, or any other trigger.  ( so you are fine)
[22:50] <Mion> creep: http://www.funtoo.org/Linux_Fundamentals,_Part_1
[22:50] <Mion> creep: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
[22:51] <owen1> OerHeks: ok. what does foobar means? i just run 'systemctl disable mongod'
[22:51] <Ben64> Mion: don't do the linux gnu thing here, its never productive
[22:51] <OerHeks> foo/foobar > fill in what service you like
[22:52] <Mion> Ben64: avoids ambiguity and misconceptions
[22:52] <OerHeks> to be accurate: 'systemctl disable mongod.service'
[22:52] <Mion> but who cares about that anyway
[22:52] <reisio> Mion: :)
[22:52] <owen1> OerHeks: oh! i didn't know i have to add .service !
[22:52] <owen1> thanks!
[22:52] <TJ-> owen1: to list all enabled (load-at-boot-time) services:  "sudo systemctl --state=enabled  list-unit-files"
[22:53] <Mion> owen1: you don't have to
[22:53] <Mion> owen1: .service is the default
[22:53] <owen1> oh
[22:53] <owen1> thansk
[22:53] <OerHeks> it is good to learn it the right way, i guess
[22:53] <creep> tim a begginer
[22:54] <creep> I wntoi am
[22:54] <creep> Ĩ am a begginer
[22:54] <owen1> TJ-: but list-unit-files|grep mongo   shows me nothing
[22:54] <creep> need to know commands
[22:54] <owen1> so i don't 'trust' that command
[22:55] <creep> i installed linux and now i am like... now what?
[22:55] <Mion> creep: install steam and play "long live the queen"?
[22:55] <Ben64> creep: depends what you want to do
[22:55] <metin> test
[22:56] <OerHeks> creep, good start http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Trusty and choose your subject you like to know more about
[22:56] <creep> thanks
[22:57] <TJ-> owen1: as I said earlier, some packages don't provide systemd unit files, so you'll need to look elsewere. for "apt-file list mongodb-server" it shows a SysV-init "/etc/init.d/mongodb", Upstart "/etc/init/mongodb.conf" and SystemD "/lib/systemd/system/mongodb.service" (in Ubuntu 15.10)
[22:57] <creep> I dont know what I want to do yet... first I would like to know what tools exist!
[22:57] <Mion> creep: see the links I gave you
[22:57] <reisio> all the tools
[22:58] <owen1> TJ-: never heard of 'apt-file' !
[22:58] <creep> ok
[22:58] <creep> many thanks
[22:59] <creep> got them on my favoutites
[22:59] <creep> thanks
[22:59] <creep> also Steam is an app or a OS?
[23:00] <creep> *an OS
[23:00] <ShinyLinoone> Steam is both
[23:00] <creep> Really?
[23:00] <ShinyLinoone> Most people just use the program
[23:00] <creep> OH... for windows right=??
[23:00] <ShinyLinoone> But it has an OS built off of a Linux kernel
[23:00] <creep> vut theres a linux version
[23:01] <ShinyLinoone> The program is available for Windows, Linux and Mac
[23:01] <creep> the linux version is an app or an OX?
[23:01] <imthenachoman> hi guys. would this be the right way to find all files modified in the last 24 hours excluding specific directories? http://pastebin.com/umd7QH2W
[23:01] <creep> *OS
[23:01] <OerHeks> creep, so you know the answer already :-D
[23:01] <creep> ok
[23:01] <creep> thanks
[23:02] <ShinyLinoone> However, thif your main concern with your PC is gaming, I highly recommend you get Windows
[23:02] <JesseH> Hi, I just installed some new ram, and for some strange reason, games keep "freezing". Then I do ctrl-alt-f1 or something, then change back, and the graphics show the cursor change for example, but are stuck at that point.
[23:02] <ShinyLinoone> Although you can get the Steam program for all OSes, specific games have different levels of compatibility.
[23:02] <JesseH> No idea how to fix this.
[23:03] <ShinyLinoone> When you say "installed RAM", you mean you broke open your computer and put a new RAM card in, right?
[23:04] <JesseH> I bought 8gb of vengeance ram, and put it in.
[23:04] <JesseH> Replacing the old ram. I haven't tried putting the old back in and seeing if that fixes it.
[23:04] <ShinyLinoone> Alright.
[23:04] <ShinyLinoone> I would suggest putting the old in and trying again before taking any further steps.
[23:05] <ShinyLinoone> The problem could be unrelated to the old RAM for all we know.
[23:05] <ShinyLinoone> *new RAM
[23:05] <JesseH> I'm trying to figure out how to debug this.
[23:05] <JesseH> Haven't had an issue like this before.
[23:05] <daftykins> JesseH: memtest.
[23:05] <daftykins> the above suggestion of trying the old stuff is a big fat waste of time
[23:06] <JesseH> Okay daftykins.
[23:06] <daftykins> minimum 2 passes i'd say
[23:06] <OerHeks> JesseH, what does 'mem' say in terminal? does it show 8 gb ?
[23:06] <cknox> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 15.04 server onto my computer, but it keeps locking up at the load debconf preconfiguration files. When I tail the syslog file I see it querying for floppy drive fd0. This computer doesn't have a floppy drive, but it is available as a boot option from the bios and I can't find a way to disable it. Is it possible to disable floppy disk check during install?
[23:06] <TJ-> JesseH: is the motherboard overclocked? if so, timings/voltages for the RAM modules may cause issues
[23:06] <JesseH> I don't have mem. 'free' tells me i have 8 gigs
[23:07] <daftykins> cknox: you sure you want non-LTS for a server? usually unwise
[23:07] <JesseH> TJ-, I'm not sure. One moment.
[23:07] <OerHeks> cknox, you should be able to disable floppyinterface in your bios. loof for that interface
[23:07] <cknox> daftykins: it's going to be a file server at my house
[23:07] <reisio> JesseH: mayb ethe ram is bad
[23:07] <reisio> maybe_the
[23:07] <OerHeks> loof-look
[23:08] <daftykins> cknox: yeah, not having to upgrade in January is still preferable...
[23:08] <daftykins> all the cool kids run servers on LTS :)
[23:08] <wileee> heh
[23:08] <skyjumper> the really cool kids run debian unstable, of couerse
[23:08] <skyjumper> course
[23:09] <daftykins> skyjumper: are those the ones that grow up to be arch/gentoo ricers?
[23:09] <daftykins> :)
[23:09] <cknox> daftykins: I'm kind of at a point where I can't switch. Apparently I can't burn the iso to CD-RW (which I have a dozen of), and the system won't boot from USB for some unknown reason. I might have another blank dvd, but that would require me to boot my other desktop
[23:09] <skyjumper> dunno but they probably spend a lot of time fixing things
[23:09] <daftykins> cknox: but you haven't even gotten it installed =|
[23:09] <dell> Hola
[23:09] <daftykins> trust me, go LTS now or you'll be regretting it come January 31st
[23:09] <dell> vv
[23:09] <cknox> but I don't know that I have any other blank disks
[23:10] <daftykins> i'm sure someone here can help you with any of your mentioned issues if you just give us a chance
[23:10] <cknox> I mean, I could install ubuntu 7.04 desktop cause I have a CD of that and it's booting
[23:10] <daftykins> for example, burning the plop ISO onto a CD-RW could chainload a flash drive i'm sure
[23:10] <daftykins> no that's a horrible idea
[23:10] <daftykins> you'll have to upgrade many, many times to get to current.
[23:10] <cknox> plop
[23:10] <OerHeks> cknox, i have to set booting from usb in 2 PLACES .. 1st boot priority, and 2nd hdd priority
[23:11] <cknox> I've used that in virtualbox before, never thought of it here
[23:11] <cknox> I can get it to try booting from USB, but it's a miracle when it actually boots. Usually it just goes to a flashing cursor
[23:11] <cknox> although it looks like the ones that boot are when I use dd to make the usb from iso
[23:12] <OerHeks> oh, that is an other issue than not been able to boot from ..
[23:12] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[23:12]  * OerHeks still uses the same USB from the 1st install 9.04 and reused it al these years
[23:13] <daftykins> OerHeks: :D
[23:13] <OerHeks> if it fails, i put it in plexi and put it in my cabinet
[23:14] <wileee> name? gotta name it
[23:14] <OerHeks> imation, 2 gb
[23:14] <OerHeks> red
[23:15] <cknox> OMG
[23:15] <cknox> if all it took was deleting /dev/fd0...
[23:15] <daftykins> deleting o0
[23:15] <cknox> and to think the only reason I want this server is cause it can house my 2x1TB drives
[23:16] <daftykins> those aren't even large or numerous ;)
[23:16] <cknox> it's not the size...
[23:16] <cknox> it's how you use it ;)
[23:17] <daftykins> that's a really daft comment.
[23:17] <cknox> it's mostly going to act as a file server, and perhaps a DNS server, although that might go on it's own VM on the ESXi server
[23:26] <Kurobyte> I need help with a derived ubuntu... distribution?
[23:26] <Kurobyte> I think that's the word at least
[23:26] <daftykins> as in you want to make your own spin?
[23:26] <Kurobyte> No, more like
[23:27] <Kurobyte> I'm having problems with one
[23:27] <daftykins> so it's not ubuntu but one based on ubuntu?
[23:27] <Kurobyte> Well, it's mostly Ubuntu 14.04 with preinstalled programs
[23:27] <Kurobyte> Ubuntu Studio
[23:27] <daftykins> oh that's covered here fine.
[23:27] <daftykins> just ask away then
[23:27] <Kurobyte> Cool
[23:28] <Kurobyte> Well, for some reason, youtube playback stopped working
[23:28] <Kurobyte> It's rather odd, to me at least
[23:28] <Kurobyte> it still loads fine, but it doesn't want to play properly
[23:29] <Kurobyte> So yeah, I'm trying to find what might be the cause of this
[23:31] <Kurobyte> Main reason why I decided to ask here was because at the same time, firefox had trouble loading pages
[23:31] <Kurobyte> But I restarted it, and now it can load them no problem
[23:31] <Kurobyte> Still having trouble with youtube though
[23:32] <cluelessperson> cknox, why have a dns server?
[23:33] <cknox> cluelessperson: so I can remember where I'm putting all these servers...
[23:38] <Sukai> ...
[23:44] <northarrow> Hello, I am running the latest version of Kubuntu and every time I log in I can only see a bar and the mouse. any help? ;(
[23:45] <reisio> what more do you want to see
[23:46] <northarrow> reisio: ha ha. Well the bar is not the kde one with the k button, the desktop is black. In essence, KDE seems not to work.
[23:46] <northarrow> or plasma
[23:46] <reisio> what do you get if you right click?
[23:46] <northarrow> reisio: nothing
[23:49] <northarrow> reisio: mmm i just discovered something. If I press ctrl alt del, go back to the log in screen, select failsafe and try to log in, it bounces me back to the log in
[23:50] <Sukai> Uhm...
[23:50] <Sukai> I have an issue too
[23:51] <Loshki> northarrow: is there a guest login. if so, does it work?
[23:51] <northarrow> Go ahead Sukai, you don't need to ask to ask :)
[23:52] <northarrow> Loshki: Hi, unfortunately not. Just my user
[23:52] <Sukai> Well
[23:53] <Sukai> I actually asked it 20 minutes earlier and got no answer
[23:53] <Sukai> But yeah, for some reason, Youtube playback stopped working
[23:53] <northarrow> Sukai: Well, try again, maybe somebody who just logged in knows
[23:54] <northarrow> Sukai: Playback as in generally playing any video
[23:54] <northarrow> ?
[23:54] <Loshki> northarrow: might wanna ask in #kubuntu also
[23:54] <Sukai> Well, playback as in the video loads properly, but doesn't play
[23:54] <ahi2> anyone know how to get rid of NO_PUBKEY ...
[23:55] <Sukai> I haven't tried with other internet video sharing platforms yet
[23:55] <Sukai> should do that actually
[23:55] <northarrow> Loshki: Ha ha, did not know they had a channel. Gonna asj at the same time.
[23:55] <BuzzardBuzz> have you tried going to the local pub and getting a key?
[23:55] <northarrow> Sukai: Try vimeo and see what happens
[23:56] <Sukai> Huh
[23:56] <Sukai> Seems like Dailymotion and vimeo videos have a similar problem
[23:57] <Sukai> It doesn't seem to be limited to one browser either
[23:57] <northarrow> Sukai: Try typing vimeo on google, and play any video. I don't think I am allowed to post links in here
[23:57] <Sukai> That's exactly what I did
[23:57] <Sukai> Everything loads fine, even the visionning applet, or whatever it's actually called. Not the video
[23:58] <northarrow> Oh sorry. Ok. In the box of where the video should be, what do you see? Gray, missing plug in, any other error?
[23:58] <Sukai> Nope
[23:58] <Sukai> I see the ordinary ui
[23:58] <Sukai> in vimeo, the bar below has that "loading" animation
[23:58] <Sukai> at least I think it is
[23:59] <northarrow> Sukai: Wait, so you can see play, pause, etc?
[23:59] <Sukai> Yes
[23:59] <Sukai> I can interact with the buttons
[23:59] <northarrow> Sukai: What ubuntu version and flavour do you have?


[01:53] <vorian> anyone speak bulgarian? (that's awake?)
[09:24] <Amaranth> wth
[09:25] <Amaranth> oh, i thought ompaul was sending me here :P
[09:25] <ompaul> Amaranth, na - my typo
[15:04] <erUSUL> Pici: cc__ has returned
[15:04] <Pici> I see, thanks erUSUL
[15:04] <erUSUL> np
[15:56] <jdavies> PriceChild: you may wish to watch over (dechiper) the stuff in -ru, the ones that were trolling in -ca and chating in there
[15:57] <jdavies> hey, you're already popular...
[16:04] <PriceChild> jdavies: have you been using a translation tool?
[16:05] <jdavies> PriceChild: nop
[16:10] <jdavies> PriceChild: I wonder what UTFeR is doing in -ca
[16:14] <jdavies> PriceChild: russians in #kubuntu-offtopic now
[16:45] <erUSUL> faggots is not nice in english is it?
[16:46] <bazhang> indeed not
[16:46] <erUSUL> bazhang: bossanac on #ubuntu
[16:46] <bazhang> erUSUL, I saw he posted and quit; now is banned
[16:47] <bazhang> oops not yet
[16:48] <no0tic> hi all, I left the ubuntu-it irc team and passed all contacts to jester-, he is now the new point of reference for the italian group. Unfortunately he doesn't speak english
[16:49] <Myrtti> no0tic: would you mind asking him to search for a co-admin who would?
[16:50] <Myrtti> or even a single op
[16:50] <Myrtti> doesn't have to be the admin of the channel
[16:51] <no0tic> Myrtti, yes, there's twilight (an ubuntu-it loco councillor) that is a co-admin and the alternate contact for the main channel
[16:51] <Myrtti> great
[16:51] <no0tic> s/that/who/
[16:52] <Myrtti> excellent
[16:53] <no0tic> Myrtti, could you tell this change to the irc-council?
[16:54] <Myrtti> consider it done
[16:56] <no0tic> thanks a lot
[16:56] <no0tic> bye :)
[16:56] <Myrtti> bye :-)
[20:16] <fetova> hi
[20:16] <fetova> i wanna ask for LoCobot...
[20:17] <fetova> someone knows how to contact with the manager?


[00:00]  * enyc meows
[00:00] <jeremy31> enyc: wrong channel
[00:01] <enyc> I wonder if ubuntu have release-critical-bugs style thing like debian has graph of ...
[00:51] <mega> hi i may have made a small mistake with my os can someone help me fix/repair someting?
[00:52] <rbox> you would have to tell us the problem first...
[00:53] <mega> sure thing, so i may have deleted my networkmanager.conf file trying to get my wifi adapter working on ubuntu
[00:53] <mega> and im not so sure on how to reconfigure it, i am currently using an ethernet cable.
[00:54] <rbox> what networkmanager.conf did you delete
[00:55] <rbox> and how do you "may" have deleted a file
[00:55] <rbox> you either deleted it or you didnt
[00:55] <mega> oh boy did i delete it
[00:56] <mega> and i wish i didnt
[00:56] <ravage> there is not much in that file really
[00:56] <mega> etc/NetworkManager
[00:57] <sarnold> mega: try: apt download network-manager ; sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss ./network-manager*deb
[00:57] <rbox> mine is all commented out
[00:57] <mega> when i reboot i have to unplug and replug my ethernet for it to activate
[00:58] <mega> maybe i am having another issue well anyway thanks for informing me that the file may not be the culprate
[00:58] <mega> thanks sarnold i will give that a shot
[01:03] <mega> hey thank you so much sarnold that resolved my problem the .conf file has been restored
[01:05] <sarnold> mega: any luck with fixing your actual problem?
[01:05] <mega> i will reboot and let u know shortly
[01:08] <mega> working thank you.
[01:08] <sarnold> yay :D
[01:11] <mega> my real problem is i have been spending all day trying to get my wif adapter to work. do you have any insight on how to get drivers for Broadcom BCM4364 internal wifi adapter?
[01:11] <Zed`> p
[01:14] <mybalzitch> looks like it works under arch
[01:15] <mybalzitch> https://wiki.t2linux.org/guides/wifi-bluetooth/
[01:15] <mega> oh i see
[01:16] <sarnold> heh, when step one is "boot macos and then run this script" :(
[01:16] <sarnold> I had an airport card that was similar, it didn't work at all in linux, I had to boot os x and use it there and *then* it could work in linux
[01:16] <mega> i tried that step but on my mac it is apfs file system and it says it failed to mount
[01:17] <mega> i have full functionality just no wifi. touch bar even working
[01:18] <Bashing-om> !BCM | mega
[01:19] <mega> my mac os has several partitioned drives because of the OS do u know the correct one? is it the storage hdd that i should attempt to mout it to? maybe if i download an old mac os  iso and try it in a a non apfs file system it could run the adapter script
[01:19] <mega> thank u for the link i have not came across this one yet
[01:21] <sarnold> oh dude Bashing-om's got a link for everything :)
[01:21] <sarnold> nice nice
[01:23] <Bashing-om> mega: BCM is proprietary - so we have to make a sacrificial offering :(
[01:25] <mega> yeah my right intex finger and my first born i would give that up to find this driver >:(
[01:25] <mega> index*
[01:26] <mega> proprietary meaning its not redistributed anywhere?
[01:27] <Bashing-om> mega: Been a while since I read the ^ docs - but yeah got to get the driver - at least the doc tells how :D
[01:28] <mega> yeah im looking into the windows ndiswrapper now but im not sure if any other windows laptops have ever used this adapter before
[01:30] <Bashing-om> mega: IIRC we are told that the ndiswrapper work-a-round is highly depreciated.
[01:35]  * oerheks reading https://github.com/reynaldliu/macbook16-1-wifi-bcm4364-binary
[01:35] <mega> you are a legend let me give this a go
[01:36] <oerheks> no, it is ugly
[01:37] <mega> it doesnt look simple but it seems feasable
[01:38] <oerheks> that t2 url should work
[01:38] <islam> helo
[01:38] <mega> i tried the t2 but with my version of mac os the script it tells me to run doesnt work with my file type, I have trued unencryping it same result
[01:39] <mega> pardon my typos
[01:40] <mcmlxxxi> whats up?
[08:40] <serverprotonico> hello ubuntuers
[08:40] <serverprotonico> i am a ubuntu users
[08:41] <serverprotonico> anyone here?
[09:15] <alcor> I've noticed that "apt download"'ing a package for which an ESM update is available fails with an "Unauthorized" error. It seems that "apt download" does not send the authorization token when attempting to download from the ESM repository.
[09:38] <ogra_> alcor, you should report that as a bug
[09:41] <alcor> Yeah, probably is a bug. Not a very critical one, but still a minor issue. FWIW "apt install" and "apt (dist)-upgrade" aren't affected.
[09:41] <alcor> I'm just not exactly sure against which package it should be reported
[09:42] <alcor> But I'm kind of leaning towards `ubuntu-advantage-tools' since that's where all the ESM management machinery is provided
[10:07] <ogra_> alcor, i'D start with apt ... apt maintainer and advantage-tools maintainer can then make it out among them 😉
[12:25] <oerheks> libssl update
[12:54] <pickanick> I would like to attempt to troubleshoot an 2015 Apple Macbook Pro SSD drive. It's attached to what I read is a proprietary PCIe socket. Booting Ubuntu from USB I do not see the drive mentioned in dmesg output.  A repair place said that when they ask for drive ID the drive signals BUSY. Are there utilities I can use to see more status than dmesg provides? Or even to issue low-level commands? Seems I cannot use smartctl because it is not assigned a device.
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> pickanick: for hd's try disk-tools or bonnie++
[13:01] <pickanick> lotuspsychje: thanks I'll explore those.
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> pickanick: but if smartctl doesnt see device, you might not have luck with other tools neither
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> pickanick: sudo lshw -C storage, might be handy
[13:22] <JanC> pickanick: if it's a SCSI/SATA/SAS drive then some of the tools in 'lsscsi' & 'scsitools' might be able to get more info; in case of an NVME drive there is 'nvme'; I'm sure there are also ways to talk to PCIE directly (in the 'pcitools' package maybe?)
[13:22] <JanC> but be careful with low-level tools: they can make things worse...
[13:23] <JanC> maybe the first thing to try is to remove the drive & put it back in (if that's possible)
[13:23] <JanC> if you're lucky it was just the connector that came a bit loose or something...
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:31] <pickanick> lotuspsychje: yes, it seems that bonnie++ is a higher level tool looking at file IO.
[13:37] <pickanick> JanC : yes sometimes that works. In this case, cleaning the contacts did not help, and a new drive is detected.  I've read that in some cases, powering on the drive without accessing data gives it the chance to sort itself out.  So looking for some way to do that in situ, under an Ubuntu or other linux boot.
[13:38] <pickanick> lotuspsychje: in U 22.04.4, 'apt search disk' does not find disk-tools , do you know where I can find it?
[13:38] <JanC> even the firmware (UEFI) would access data...
[13:38] <JanC> so there is little Ubuntu can do to prevent it
[13:40] <JanC> unless the firmware has an option to disable the drive or remove it from the boot order maybe
[13:42] <JanC> in linux you'd need a distro that doesn't do any hotplugging (so no udev or similar)
[13:43] <pickanick> ooh thats good to know.  I don't know what Mac firmware can do, and what options they have besides choosing a boot partition.
[13:44] <JanC> I'm sure the drive gets powered on by just booting into the firmware
[13:44] <ogra_> pickanick, gnome-disk-utility ... it is pre-installed on ubuntu-desktop (and you can open it by typink "disk" in the dresktop search)
[13:46] <JanC> ogra_: when it's not mentioned in dmesg logs that would not really help, right?
[13:48] <JanC> pickanick: what did you look for in dmesg?
[13:50] <ogra_> JanC, i was only reacting to the "apt search disk" ...
[13:51] <pickanick> JanC: I booted a Ubuntu live USB with the old SSD, "dmesg > old.out"; then replaced with a new blank drive, and booted again, "dmesg > new.out";  and found that the second log contained references to a nvme drive. These lines did not appear in old.out.
[13:52] <pickanick> consequently the new drive would appear in the standard disk tools, but the old drive would not.
[13:54] <pickanick> apparently on SATA drives one can attach the power cable without attaching the data cables; I don't know of a way to do that with PCIe interface.
[13:55]  * pickanick looks for the dmesg outputs
[13:55] <JanC> yeah, you'd have to look up the PCIe lanes & only connect the power lines or something
[13:56] <JanC> and then hope that that proprietary connector has them in the same order...
[13:58] <pickanick> sounds like I'd have to have a fake card that fits into the motherboard slot and then connections running (or not running) to a new slot.   Or do the same thing to an external adapter
[13:59] <pickanick> But I was hoping for something a little more off the shelf.
[13:59] <JanC> if you know the connectors, you might be able to power it on without a motherboard too...
[14:00] <pickanick> oh right, its just the power connection
[14:01] <JanC> although I don't know how PCIE works and if it needs some sort of confirmation on a data lane to stay powered on or increase the power or whatever  :)
[14:01] <JanC> or voltage negotiations like USB has...
[14:02] <JanC> probably betetr ask someone more experienced with hardware for that  :)
[14:13] <pickanick> dmesg with the new blank drive has 7 extra lines (here are the four most obvious:)  nvme nvme0: pci function 0000:01:00.0  //  nvme nvme0: allocated 64 MiB host memory buffer. // nvme nvme0: 8/0/0 default/read/poll queues // nvme nvme0: Ignoring bogus Namespace Identifiers
[14:19] <JanC> my guess is that the drive is dead
[14:24] <pickanick> a repair shop says that it signals READY and when asked for drive ID it says BUSY. So its not completely dead. There's several months of work not backed up on it, so I'm hoping for the best and fearing the worst
[14:27] <pickanick> This Samsung drive MZ-JPV512S/0A4 : S4LN058A01-8030 is sadly not supported by what seems to be a popular drive recovery system.
[15:23] <jongsta> is there a way to extract 7zip files on ubuntu?
[15:23] <jongsta> i see old versions of p7zip but nothing newer than 2016
[15:24] <oerheks> !find 7zip
[15:25] <oerheks> jammy 22.04 gives 21.07, next lts 23.01
[15:26] <oerheks> it comes from universe repo, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/7zip/23.01+dfsg-8
[15:27] <jongsta> hmm, machine in question is running 20.0.4
[15:27] <oerheks> !find 7zip focal
[15:27] <oerheks> !info 7zip focal
[15:28] <oerheks> oh
[15:28] <oerheks> !info p7zip focal
[15:29] <jongsta> yah, that's the version i'm currently running and i'm getting errors when trying to extract a .7 file
[15:30] <jongsta> ERROR: Unsupported Method :
[15:31] <jongsta> not sure how to figure out what the actual problem is other than an outdated tool
[15:32] <oerheks> or damaged archive?
[15:32] <jongsta> it extracts fine on a windows machine
[15:32] <Walex> jongsta: try 'backports' archive
[15:33] <jongsta> what's that
[15:33] <oerheks> and why would it be outdated? https://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzip/files/7-Zip/
[15:33] <Walex> jongsta: or 'p7zip-rar'
[15:33] <JanC> jongsta: do you mean a .7z file?
[15:33] <oerheks> some rar archives are not compatible, AFAIK
[15:33] <JanC> .7 ≠ .7z
[15:34] <Walex> jongsta: it is unlikely newer versions of '7-Zip' have newer compression format. It is more likely it the archive has some RAR files.
[15:34] <JanC> .7z ≠ .rar either  :)
[15:34] <Walex> using RAR compression with 7-Zip is not a good idea
[15:35] <JanC> AFAIK that wouldn't be a legal 7zip file
[15:36] <JanC> one with .7z extension
[15:37] <Walex> jongsta: https://www.7-zip.org/history.txt check here
[15:38] <Walex> ULTS 20.04 has 16.02
[15:42] <Walex> from 16.,02 to 23.01 there are no new compression formats, 24.01 adds RAR and ZSTD
[15:43]  * Walex is amazed that 7z can extract also from UDF and NTFS and many other formats.
[15:44]  * oerheks tends to avoid .rar
[15:44] <JanC> Walex: it can extract some on its own and uses external tools for other formats
[15:45] <JanC> or plugins
[15:45] <Walex> I avoid RAR compression too, dubious status and ZSTD and LZ4 are in different ways very good anyhow.
[15:47] <oerheks> indeed, impressive
[15:47] <JanC> also, p7zip ≠ 7zip (they are different packages)
[15:48] <JanC> I guess focal didn't have 7zip yet
[15:48] <oerheks> " P7zip is an unmaintained fork of 7z"
[15:48] <oerheks> indeed
[15:50] <JanC> jongsta: it doesn't say anything else about the "unsupported method"?
[15:50] <alcor> So we should the "7zip" package instead of p7zip?
[15:51] <alcor> `file-roller' still suggests p7zip-full though :/
[15:52] <JanC> I'm not sure it matters for 7z format (except maybe for speed?)
[15:53] <alcor> It matters for things that depend on it though
[15:53] <JanC> and maybe compression ratio in some cases
[15:53] <Walex> 'apt-cache search 7zip' on ULTS 20 shows only 'p7zip'
[15:54] <JanC> I was looking over the changelog & haven't seen anything about compatibility-changes yet (but I'm not at the end yet)
[15:54] <alcor> 7zip provides /usr/bin/7zz whereas p7zip provides /usr/bin/7zr
[15:54] <alcor> + /usr/bin/7z
[15:55] <alcor> So it matters for GUI frontends like file-roller and anything that expects /usr/bin/7zr or /usr/bin/7z to exist
[15:56] <JanC> right
[15:57] <JanC> maybe it's just the package dependencies though
[15:57] <JanC> that are outdated, I mean
[15:58] <alcor> I'm not sure, the program names are clearly different. file-roller and all the dependencies need to be changed to use /usr/bin/7zz
[15:58] <alcor> Or the 7zip package should provide compatibility symlinks
[15:59] <JanC> alcor: you checked that fileroller actually doesn't know about 7zz?
[15:59] <alcor> JanC: I didn't check the code, just the package dependencies on 22.04
[16:00] <JanC> dependencies can be outdated  :)
[16:00] <JanC> package dependencies
[16:01] <alcor> file-roller >= 43 seems to support 7zz (aka official 7zip) according to the NEWS entry https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/blob/master/NEWS#L118
[16:02] <oerheks> yes, when installed
[16:02] <alcor> Jammy's file-roller is v42 though
[16:03] <JanC> so it's "only" a packaging bug
[16:03] <JanC> ah
[16:03] <JanC> right
[16:03] <alcor> It's a packaging bug starting from lunar
[16:03] <JanC> if that version has the same dependencies
[16:04] <alcor> The dependency only made sense up to jammy. Starting from lunar, file-roller knows about 7zz and a 7zip package is available
[16:05] <alcor> Anyway it's just a "Suggests"-Dependency, it makes no sense but won't actively break anything
[16:06] <JanC> I wonder if the increase in maximum dictionary size in 7zip at some point can cause trouble for older versions to decompress...
[16:07] <JanC> and whether filters are needed when decompressing too?
[18:00] <root> p
[18:00] <root> nmap
[18:00] <root> nmap
[18:03] <fathomstory> Hi, I have about 60gb on my root drive and for some reason have only 14gb free. I do not know what is eating my root drive
[18:04] <kawal> try baobab or another disk space analyser,
[18:05] <kawal> probably cache thumbnails, /var stuff
[18:06] <fathomstory> This is a problem unique to Ubuntu. On Debian, I have a lot of space on the root drive.
[18:06] <fathomstory> I removed snap and hoped that would free up space
[18:06] <fathomstory> not really
[18:07] <oerheks> probably your swapfile
[18:07] <fathomstory> When I am down to 10 gb of free space, I guess I will just re-install debian
[18:07] <oerheks> ls -l /
[18:08] <fathomstory> oerheks, https://pastebin.com/9Sm9m5WJ
[18:19] <fathomstory> Anyway, 60gb ought to be plenty for a root drive. This is an ongoing issue with Ubuntu OS, for whatever reason and it sucks.
[18:20] <bind> https://live.novoeradio.by:444/live/narodnoeradio_aac128/icecast.audio Народное Радио
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> not here please bind
[18:23] <leftyfb> fathomstory: sudo apt install ncdu ; sudo ncdu /
[18:23] <leftyfb> fathomstory: use that to determine what is using space
[18:27] <fathomstory> leftyfb, it shows /home drive, but not really what is eating root
[18:27] <leftyfb> fathomstory: it shows a lot more than /home
[18:31] <fathomstory> leftyfb, I think it's an Ubuntu thing, some runaway process is just eating things up. Maybe a log file that keeps growing...
[18:31] <leftyfb> fathomstory: This is a support channel. Do you want support?
[18:31] <fathomstory> Debian has other issues, like it breaks easily
[18:32] <fathomstory> leftyfb, I want Canonical to fix their OS
[18:32] <fathomstory> : - )
[18:32] <leftyfb> fathomstory: let us know when you'd like community support
[18:33] <fathomstory> leftyfb, You don't have to answer. If anyone has similar issues where the root is being gobbled up and what done to resolve, please share.
[18:34] <leftyfb> fathomstory: I tried to help you. Run: sudo ncdu /      that will tell you exactly how much space everything on your system is taking, sorted by what's taking the most space
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> fathomstory: you already get advice to findout here, did you try them?
[18:34] <elSmith-> ncdu is solid
[18:35] <fathomstory> lotuspsychje, yeah, nothing really comes up
[18:35] <leftyfb> false
[18:36] <leftyfb> fathomstory: Run: sudo ncdu /
[18:37] <fathomstory> 128.3 TiB means terrabytes?
[18:37] <esra> what else
[18:37] <fathomstory> Yeah, this thing is borked
[18:38] <plastikman> never heard of ncdu i always us du -ah / --max-depth=1
[18:39] <plastikman> but im an old man that yells at clouds
[18:39] <fathomstory> plastikman, Love your handle
[18:39] <fathomstory> spastik
[18:39] <plastikman> :)
[18:40] <leftyfb> fathomstory: ok, so what did ncdu tell you?
[18:40] <plastikman> I prefer sheet one, but to each their own
[18:40] <fathomstory> plastikman, Well, the fuse project i dig
[18:40] <fathomstory> the old stuff is my fave
[18:40] <leftyfb> !ot
[18:40] <fathomstory> hallwaymonitor
[18:40] <leftyfb> fathomstory: what did ncdu tell you?
[18:41] <plastikman> yes yes tgat is why i hesitated to reply :)
[18:41] <fathomstory> leftyfb, I cannot pastebin it
[18:41] <fathomstory> How do I paste it to you?
[18:41] <plastikman> https://termbin.com/
[18:41] <leftyfb> fathomstory: you don't need to. It should tell you exactly how much space each directory is taking starting at root
[18:41] <leftyfb> ncdu is not meant for pasting
[18:42] <leftyfb> fathomstory: it should be pretty easy for you to determine what's taking space by starting at the top of the ncdu results and then navigate down into the directory structure if needed
[18:42] <fathomstory> Yeah, the top shows /home
[18:43] <leftyfb> and how much space is it taking?
[18:46] <Bogdar> Hello! I'm expirincing Wayland crashes on 22.04 while sharing screen in Google Meet with Firefox. Should I just follow 'report bug' guidelines or there something specific for Wayland I can add to the issue?
[18:47] <fathomstory> leftyfb, 212.1 gb
[18:47] <leftyfb> fathomstory: you said you have a 60GB drive
[18:47] <fathomstory> leftyfb, a root drive is different from home drive
[18:47] <fathomstory> .
[18:48] <leftyfb> fathomstory: Run: sudo ncdu -x /
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> Bogdar: you can check if a crash exists in your /var/crash dir
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> Bogdar: you can also browse existing wayland bugs; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xwayland/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[18:50] <leftyfb> Bogdar: have you tested with xorg?
[18:53] <fathomstory> cuda takes 5 g /lib takes 8g  share takes 3g
[18:53] <fathomstory> so what is taking everythinfg else????
[18:54] <fathomstory> i am going to smash this machine.
[18:54] <leftyfb> fathomstory: ncdu should be telling you that
[18:54] <Bogdar> leftyfb, Just have a call over 40 minutes with sharing on Xorg, no problems so far. Maybe first time for last 2 years I'm running xorg session. No problem with Wayland without screen capture in Firefox. Zoom's screen sharing works very well. I'm on latest firmware for HP 865 G9 (Ryzen 6800) and recent 6.5.0-21 kernel.
[18:54] <leftyfb> fathomstory: also, did you happen to mount your /home drive on top of /home before deleting everything in the original /home?
[18:55] <Bogdar> Bt it is just Wayland crushes, I can change vt to plain text console and gather some information ad-hoc, but I don't even know what to look for except dmesg :/
[18:56] <leftyfb> Bogdar: it could verywell be the fact that firefox is a snap and lacks permissions. Did you try another browser and/or the apt version of Firefox?
[19:00] <DarkenedGentlema> After using hostnamectl set-hostname host.domain.com is the only way to see the update to logout/in or to run bash?
[19:00] <leftyfb> DarkenedGentlema: correct
[19:00] <plastikman> fathomstory: just do du -ah /home --max-depth=1
[19:00] <Bogdar> leftyfb, if fact it is sharing of the another window of firefox. And sharing works well, but Waylay dies suddenly in few minutes, usually no more then 15. So from functional perspective sharing works, but after a while Wayland dies and I see black screen with ~20-40 random symbols
[19:00] <leftyfb> plastikman: /home is a separate drive
[19:00] <plastikman> so?
[19:01] <plastikman> he wants to know what is taking up all his space on /home
[19:01] <plastikman> or did i read taht wrong
[19:01] <DarkenedGentlema> leftyfb: thanks, it looks like the hostname is set permenately too?
[19:01] <leftyfb> plastikman: so du and ncdu should not be run on /home as it's only going to show space being taken up by the non-root drive, which isn't what they're trying to address
[19:01] <leftyfb> DarkenedGentlema: until the next time you change it
[19:02] <plastikman> then i read that incorrectly.  I assumed that he wanted to know waht was taking up /home
[19:02] <leftyfb> plastikman: They do not want to know what's taking up space on /home. They want to know what's taking up space on their root drive, which is separate from home
[19:04] <plastikman> ah, so then i would jsut use du to keep searching.  although to be fair i would assume that someone that knows how to split up partitions would know how to find this
[19:04] <leftyfb> ncdu
[19:04] <plastikman> fathomstory: did you migrate data from home to this new drive then never delete what used to be there
[19:04] <leftyfb> plastikman: I already asked that
[19:05] <plastikman> k then ill stfu
[19:10] <fathomstory> plastikman, I wipe the root partition when I install, always check that box.
[19:11] <fathomstory> plastikman, It is a glitch, something to do with maybe the graphics drivers or the programs i use don't mesh with Ubuntu that well. On Debian it is a non-issue, but Ubuntu, something goes off...
[19:11] <leftyfb> fathomstory: lets not
[19:12] <plastikman> that is not real
[19:12] <plastikman> its nothign to do with ubuntu in *that way*
[19:13] <leftyfb> fathomstory: there is clearly an issue, one of which you have not yet learned the origin of. Lets not speculate, especially when you're trying to blame the entire OS
[19:13] <fathomstory> That's why I went to debian, because I ran out of space in root with Ubuntu. Debains was fine until I installed a library that broke the system and I tried Ubuntu and had the same problem with /root
[19:13] <leftyfb> fathomstory: stop
[19:13] <plastikman> lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:13] <leftyfb> fathomstory: would you like further help troubleshooting?
[19:13] <fathomstory> https://termbin.com/mv23
[19:14] <leftyfb> fathomstory: you have a LOT going on there that you failed to mention
[19:14] <fathomstory> leftyfb, I also blame some of it on Nvidea
[19:14] <leftyfb> also, you have TB's of space and only gave 60GB to your OS?
[19:15] <fathomstory> leftyfb, Wow, your info is actually wrong
[19:15] <leftyfb> fathomstory: what info is that exactly?
[19:15] <fathomstory> I have 500gb approx for Ubuntu, 60gb for root drive
[19:15] <fathomstory> some space for swap and the rest for /home
[19:16] <fathomstory> If that is the info you got...then it is wrong
[19:16] <plastikman> I would bet its likely snaps related
[19:16] <leftyfb> your nvme drive is 1.8TB
[19:16] <fathomstory> yes, and 500gb is for ubuntu
[19:16] <fathomstory> 60gb for /root
[19:17] <leftyfb> fathomstory: boot an ubuntu live usb, mount your root partition, run ncdu on it
[19:51] <younder> I have a problem booting ubuntu. When trying to boot I errors and everything stops booting. When I boot in secure mode I need to run start with networking and then resume. Then everything works fine. It seems boot with networking detects and fixes some missing file by restoring a default configuration. Any Idea what this is?
[19:56] <plastikman> need to be more specific on where is stops
[19:56] <bprompt> younder: or what kind of errors
[19:57] <bprompt> younder: if you have a log of the boot errors, that may help
[21:08] <Idrogeno> Hello again friends.  How can I disable the "update notifier" that tells me about all the glorious things I can get if I subscribe to ubuntu pro?  Not looking to start a big discussion about it, just don't want to get a notification of updates that I'm not going to be installing.
[21:08] <Idrogeno> There doesn't appear to be any checkbox in settings
[21:12] <leftyfb> Idrogeno: I don't think there is a way currently
[21:12] <Idrogeno> That seems like a... giant oversight :)
[21:13] <plastikman> not for canonical
[21:13] <leftyfb> plastikman: lets not
[21:13] <Idrogeno> Okay, looks like I can just disable software-updater application entirely and I'll be good
[21:14] <plastikman> that was a joke
[21:14] <plastikman> jeez
[21:29] <daydrinking> I haven't gotten any of those notifications. Is one of your apt sources pro or something? And yeah disabling software-updater seems like a good choice for me as well. I always use shell to do updates.
[21:34] <Idrogeno> I don't know what changed to make them start appearing.  using 22.04 LTS, they just started showing up relatively recently.  I would receive a "software update" notification for all the things I could update, and then a second one with the pro updates
[21:40] <daydrinking> I would check your apt sources, but I'm not on LTS though
[21:41] <plastikman> I also dont get that, not on my kubuntu desktop, or any of my rpi devices, or my VM's
[21:41] <plastikman> maybe i just ignored it?
[21:42] <bprompt> plastikman: what version of kubuntu?
[21:43] <plastikman> 23.10 (Mantic Minotaur)
[21:43] <bprompt> ohh ok
[21:44] <bprompt> I never got it, or get it either
[21:51] <Idrogeno> those are all for "apt" related information, not update manager, as far as I can tell from that AI generated website
[21:52] <Idrogeno> maybe disabling ubuntu advantage will work..
[23:31] <oerheks> lots of updates today, just saying ..
[23:32] <oerheks> libssl3 and more
[23:33] <PeGaSuS> hello guys.. so, I've used clonezilla to clone one disk to another but I'm unable to boot from it. here's what I see on GParted: https://imgur.com/oeuZApt.png
[23:33] <PeGaSuS> any help is greatly appreciated
[23:36] <leftyfb> !boot-repair | PeGaSuS
[23:36] <leftyfb> !bootrepair | PeGaSuS
[23:36] <PeGaSuS> it doesn't work
[23:37] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: Does the source drive work?
[23:37] <leftyfb> PeGaSuS: define doesn't work. Where is it failing? what error message(s) are you seeing? Can you mount the drive? Is it EFI or MBR? Is this PC different from before?
[23:39] <oerheks> copieingto a new disk, changes UUID
[23:39] <oerheks> *HINT*
[23:39] <PeGaSuS> if  I try to boot fro the cloned disk, I go into the grub command line, directly. I don't seem to be able to mount the drive, no. the source disk works. I think it's EFI? the PC is different but same brand and almost same specs
[23:40] <oerheks> no, not efi, you can tell if you used efi
[23:40] <oerheks> update frub with the real UUID's
[23:40] <PeGaSuS> I definitely used GPT, that's a fact
[23:40] <oerheks> or grub
[23:41] <PeGaSuS> sorry, but I don't know how to do that
[23:42] <oerheks> 'ubuntu show uuid update grub'


[02:58] <mcarter> hello
[02:58] <mcarter> in an upstart job, how can I specify the user to run the job as?
[08:40] <keesj> don't know
[10:51] <plundra> mcarter: I don't think there is a built in way.
[10:51] <plundra> mcarter: I'm using 'sudo -u user cmd'
[10:52] <plundra> "chdir /some/where", "exec sudo -u foo ./app"
[10:53] <plundra> Anyway, I came here with a question! :-D What's the best way to restart stuff? Make a script that is invoked by emitting something fancy?
[10:54] <plundra> Or using ... stop ... ; ... start ... manually.
[10:55] <Keybuk> there's a restart command?
[10:58] <plundra> Not with initctl in 0.3.9 (I'm using the latest Ubuntu LTS release)
[10:59] <plundra> So I guess it was added in 0.4.x or 0.5.0, darn it :-D
[10:59] <Keybuk> ah, no there's no restart there
[11:00] <Keybuk> stop && start is as close as you can get
[11:00] <Keybuk> though that's not entirely atomic, it's close enough
[11:00] <plundra> Yeah, but it will do. Thanks anyway :)
[11:07] <keesj> when I do "stop on starting service_xxx"  in service_yyy and I start service_xxx. the service_xxx is not waiting for the service_yyy to stop
[11:07] <keesj> is there a wait around this?
[11:07] <keesj> to be stopped
[11:09] <Keybuk> err, it should
[11:11] <keesj> I am not sure what is indened. the reverse "start on starting an_other_service" does wait
[11:12] <Keybuk> which version of Upstart
[11:12] <keesj> so if (a = start on starting b) and I start B b will only reach started once a i staterd
[11:12] <keesj> 0.3.9
[11:14] <keesj> Ok at leat I now know what is indened. I only discovered this recently because the stop script wat taking very long
[11:15] <Keybuk> WFM here
[11:16] <Keybuk> quest event.d# cat test-stopper
[11:16] <Keybuk> stop on starting test-starter
[11:16] <Keybuk> service
[11:16] <Keybuk> post-stop script
[11:16] <Keybuk>    sleep 5
[11:16] <Keybuk> end script
[11:17] <Keybuk> quest event.d# cat test-starter
[11:17] <Keybuk> service
[11:17] <Keybuk> --
[11:17] <Keybuk> quest event.d# status test-stopper
[11:17] <Keybuk> test-stopper (start) running
[11:17] <Keybuk> --
[11:17] <Keybuk> quest event.d# start test-starter | ts
[11:18] <Keybuk> Jan 09 11:16:54 test-starter (start) waiting
[11:18] <Keybuk> Jan 09 11:16:54 test-starter (start) starting
[11:18] <Keybuk> Jan 09 11:16:59 test-starter (start) pre-start
[11:18] <Keybuk> Jan 09 11:17:00 test-starter (start) spawned
[11:18] <Keybuk> Jan 09 11:17:00 test-starter (start) post-start
[11:18] <Keybuk> Jan 09 11:17:00 test-starter (start) running
[11:18] <Keybuk> note the 5s delay
[11:19] <keesj> yes, the problem is probably a little more complex , I just wrote about the same test and it "works"
[11:21] <keesj> what is ts?
[11:30] <Keybuk> timestamps its input?
[12:12] <keesj> I see
[12:13] <keesj> while read i ; date -n ; echo $i ; done
[12:14] <keesj> somethine like that :p
[12:14] <Keybuk> indeed
[12:14] <keesj> something like that , sorry for the spam
[12:15] <Keybuk> it's in moreutils in Debian/Ubuntu
[12:16] <keesj> 113 lines of perl :p
[12:19] <ion_> Well, its sloccount is 62. :-)
[16:17] <sadmac2> notting: so what do we do about 450488?
[16:17] <sadmac2> I vote kill telinit u support
[16:18] <notting> 1) fix it to translate job state
[16:18] <notting> 2) fix it so it ignores 'u'
[16:18] <notting> (*accepts the argument, but ignores it)
[16:18] <sadmac2> 1 isn't productive because the damn code isn't sitting still long enough
[16:20] <Keybuk> telinit u?
[16:20]  * Keybuk tries to remember his sysvinit
[16:20] <Keybuk> that's "reload configuration *and make changes to running state*" isn't it?
[16:21] <Keybuk> oh, no
[16:21] <Keybuk> telinit u is reexec
[16:21] <Keybuk> I thought you implemented that one?
[16:21] <Keybuk> I remember seeing some very very amusing code that had initctl send a special message to upstart, had upstart receive and process that message; and then just send itself SIGTERM
[16:22] <notting> it loses track of job state
[16:22] <Keybuk> oh
[16:23] <Keybuk> that's just a general "not yet 1.0" bug ;)
[16:23] <Keybuk> I fully intend to have state passing working before 1.0
[16:28] <notting> sadmac2: so, yeah. make it a no-op for now
[16:29] <sadmac2> notting: agreed
[16:29] <sadmac2> I'll do that when I get home
[16:29] <sadmac2> Keybuk: could you please weigh in on the new waitfd thread on lkml?
[16:30] <sadmac2> they're asking for why/wherefore stuff, and that's not my strong suit :)


[14:52] <maco> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2011-June/msg00001.html  (via didrocks who just joined)
[16:17] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/106717946845088683921/posts/TpZdvT1p69m


[06:33] <Inumedia> Anyone know of any settings in X that changes how fast a touchpad will move the mouse?  Not the overall speed but horizontal vs vertical speed.
[07:18] <bryceh> LLStarks, probably kernel issue; downgrade your kernel until it works, then do git bisect to find what changeset did it


[16:36] <Riddell> cjwatson: I'm going to remove you block on massif-visualizer because I just removed it from trusty
[16:36] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[19:29] <arges> Hi. Can an AA remove this package from proposed? bug 1186273, Precise: network-manager/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4.4, Quantal: network-manager/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7.1 . This will never be verified and its blocking other SRUs. Thanks
[19:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1186273 in network-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) "DUN via bluetooth with a password fails" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1186273
[19:33] <infinity> arges: How is it blocking other SRUs?
[19:34] <arges> infinity: at least it was at some point. maybe those are unblocked now
[19:34] <infinity> arges: (Happy to remove it anyway, but if the intent is to upload a new SRU, the current one isn't blocking that)
[19:34] <arges> infinity: Yup, looks like those other ones went away. Regardless this will never be verified and could block future updates.
[19:36] <infinity> arges: The blocking part is the part I'm arguing with. :)
[19:36] <infinity> arges: If a new SRU needs to be done urgently, that's the best time to discuss tossing the changes.
[19:37] <infinity> Bit annoyed that it got verified on raring but not precise, though.  Oh well.
[19:38] <arges> infinity: ok. well any way to mark that bug in such a way that when a new SRU comes down the pipe it doesn't block things?
[19:39] <infinity> arges: Not really, no.  But if you're positive no one's likely to pop up to verify it, I can delete it.  It's trivial, actually, to copy it right back in, binaries and all, if that situation changes before the version is superseded.
[19:40] <arges> infinity: this was the other SRU bug 1254028 , but looks like it was resolved alrady
[19:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1254028 in network-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "[precise] network manager set incorrect /64 prefix from dhcpv6 client" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254028
[19:41] <infinity> arges: Not in precise, it wasn't.
[19:41] <arges> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/network-manager/+bug/1254028/comments/12 looks like mdeslaur marked it fixed released
[19:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1254028 in network-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "[precise] network manager set incorrect /64 prefix from dhcpv6 client" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:42] <infinity> arges: Read more closely...
[19:42] <infinity> arges: It's confirmed in precise, and pending the resolution of this other SRU.
[19:42] <arges> confirmed
[19:42] <infinity> So, yeah.  I'll remove this one to kill the ambiguity about its status.
[19:42] <arges> infinity: thanks.
[19:48] <infinity> arges: Done and done.
[19:49] <arges> infinity: cool sorry about the disorganization with the request.
[19:53] <highvoltage> dh: unable to load addon python2: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/python2.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::python2 module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.18.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.18.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.18 /usr/share/perl/5.18 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 13) line 2.
[19:53] <highvoltage> (sorry wrong channel)
[19:55] <knome> highvoltage, boo!
[19:56] <highvoltage> knome: but I'll be happy to discuss any other topic with you if the channel has become lonely
[19:57]  * knome huggles highvoltage :)


[02:48] <tgm4883> Rob_Z, there is a tool you can use called the mythvideo bulk updater (or maybe it is imdb bulk updater)
[02:48] <tgm4883> it's written by ryan pisani
[02:49] <tim-> i cant get the mythtv user on 9.10 to have access to a nfs volume. the user shows up in the nis database and has rights to the share.. anyone have any pointers?
[02:49] <tim-> not sure if it has something to do with the fact that mythtv cannot login via ssh either
[03:04]  * ahughes airs his frustration. Everyone says myth is the bomb.... but I can't find any doco or how to connect the frontend to a remove upnp av server. The ps3, xbox and various other media boxes do this with ease!!!! Such as Western Digital's HD live or the ASUS One. But myth it a complete mystery.
[03:04] <ahughes> remove == remote
[03:07] <rhpot1991> ahughes: I'm pretty sure mythbackend acts as a upnp server, don't know that the frontend can connect to just any upnp server
[03:07] <rhpot1991> ahughes: if you head over to #mythtv-users and ask there you might get a better answer, I don't use upnp
[03:10] <ahughes> rhpot1991, w00t thanks for that advice :D
[06:28] <live> hi, i've built my set top box and i have this intermittent hang problem
[06:29] <live> basically, the screen just turns completely gray
[06:29] <live> no cursor
[06:35] <live> i tried pressing "Ctrl+Alt+F1" to go to console but nothing happens
[06:36] <live> so it seems that X is completely hosed
[06:36] <live> i'm using a asus motherboard with nvidia 8300 (non-discrete)
[06:37] <live> i'm using nvidia 190.x driver (latest)
[06:37] <live> my question is: how do i figure out if this is a hardware problem or software issue
[06:38] <live> any tips or ideas?
[06:41] <live> anyone?
[06:45] <bogus-> did you enable ssh?
[06:45] <live> myth enables sshd ... hmm, didn't try logging in from another computer
[06:45] <live> that's a good idea ... could try that
[06:46] <live> ok, its getting late
[06:46] <live> i'll give that a try and will be back tomorrow
[06:47] <live> any other ideas before I quit?
[10:55] <jku_> how is possible to share videos and pictures from backend server also to remote frontends? Is only way to do that to use for example smb network or can it be done same way as the recordings are shared to frontend machines?
[10:57] <jku_> I have already configured frontend/backend machine and now I want to add remote frontend also to system, and at the moment I can only stream tv and recordings to remote machines
[16:21] <rhpot1991> jku_: use nfs
[20:10] <tgm4883> kees, just saw your post on having an apparmor profile for hulu desktop. Do you see adverse sideeffects of that?
[20:17] <kees> tgm4883: nope
[20:17] <tgm4883> kees, everything still works good?
[20:17]  * tgm4883 has great english skills
[20:18] <kees> tgm4883: yeah, totally.  it wouldn't be very useful if it didn't.  :)
[20:18] <kees> maybe I've missed something, but it would show up in the logs
[20:18] <tgm4883> kees, sounds good. Mind if I add that to the mythbuntu hulu desktop wiki?
[20:18] <kees> but I can watch stuff and browse etc
[20:18] <kees> go for it
[20:18] <tgm4883> ok, thanks
[20:18] <kees> :)
[20:22] <superm1> what's the app aprmor profile preventing hulu from doing?
[20:23] <Daviey> bad stuff.
[20:23] <tgm4883> superm1, eating babies
[20:24] <tgm4883> kees, ^
[20:24] <Daviey> tgm4883: we are such a helpful bunch.
[20:24] <tgm4883> Daviey, well, we can only do so much
[20:24] <superm1> well if those babies were gonna grow up to be bad people, then that could be argued as good
[20:24] <kees> superm1: anything I don't want it doing, like sending all my files to Hulu
[20:24] <tgm4883> I guess we could have said
[20:24] <tgm4883> !google | superm1
[20:24] <Zinn> superm1: This seems like a question that you probably could have solved by looking the first few results from a Google search.  Try to make sure to do the appropriate research before asking a question ( http://www.google.com/ )
[20:25] <tgm4883> we should probably take that stance with any binary that we give access to
[20:25] <tgm4883> kees, did you copy that apparmor profile into some file, or do I need to use aa-genprof in the wiki?
[20:26] <superm1> kees, Hmm. so this being said, is it maybe worthwhile shipping a set of app armor profiles like this even for apps that aren't installed to keep people more secure by default, or is that not appropriate?
[20:26] <tgm4883> superm1, there is a repo I think for that sort of thing
[20:26] <tgm4883> I'm just going off of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[20:26] <Zinn> [help.ubuntu.com] AppArmor - Community Ubuntu Documentation
[20:27] <tgm4883> superm1, we could get the profile added to that package, then just install that package
[20:28] <kees> tgm4883: it goes into /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.huludesktop
[20:28] <kees> tgm4883: then, sudo service apparmor reload
[20:28] <tgm4883> kees, sweet, i'll get it added
[20:28] <kees> cool
[20:29] <kees> tgm4883: note that for the profile to work, the execstack -c needs to have been run too.
[20:29] <tgm4883> kees, maybe this should be in apparmor-profiles?
[20:39] <kees> tgm4883: it should be in mythtv-plugins maybe.
[20:42] <superm1> kees, i think he's meaning for the greater good of everyone who is loading huludesktop.deb on their machines to include it in the apparmor profiles that ship on all ubuntu (not just mythbuntu users)
[20:45] <tgm4883> the greater good
[20:51] <kees> hrm, well, since it requires execstack -c, I don't think it's generally useful.  it would just block people from using it at all.
[20:53] <darthanubis> using daily autobuilds, it appears my backend has disappeared suddenly
[20:54] <darthanubis> sudo: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend: command not found
[20:55] <darthanubis> /etc/init.d$ sudo restart mythtv-backend nvrmnd