[16:56] <KBme> hi
[16:56] <KBme> anyone here know how to change language settings from the terminal?
[16:56] <KBme> on natty
[17:02] <EgyParadox> layout?
[17:04] <KBme> well, more the locales, not the keyboard layout
[17:04] <KBme> on debian it's apt-get install locales-all or dpkg-reconfigure locales
[17:04] <KBme> on ubuntu not


[06:36] <TJ-> What's the best way to effectively disable IPv4 as comprehensively as possible given there's no generic CONFIG_IPV4=n or /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/disable_ipv4 ?
[13:00] <cascardo> iptables comes to mind
[13:00] <cascardo> enyc: look at /usr/share/doc/linux-modules-5.4.0-53-generic/changelog.Debian.gz
[13:08] <enyc> cascardo: OOOOOoOOOOOOO thankyou for pointer!
[15:47] <LordDoskias> is ubuntu 20l.04 supposed to support amd ibs ? support for it landed many years ago
[15:48] <LordDoskias> but still when i run: perf record -e cpu-cycles i get an EINVAL error when passing the :p modifier ?
[15:49] <LordDoskias> i also get the following in dmesg: [чт ное 12 17:11:52 2020] perf: AMD IBS detected (0x000003ff)
[15:49] <LordDoskias>
[15:49] <LordDoskias> so it seems support should be there yet it doesn't work
[18:18] <cascardo> LordDoskias: try it with --count=1000
[18:19] <LordDoskias> sudo perf record -c 1000 -g -e cpu-cycles:pp doesn't work
[18:19] <LordDoskias> but this one does: sudo perf record -c 100001 -e ibs_op/cnt_ctl=1/pp -a -C 0 taskset -c 0
[18:19] <LordDoskias> ...
[18:24] <LordDoskias> amd'\s perf guy gave me this command line, apparently IBS is b0rked ...
[18:33] <cascardo> LordDoskias: what about with -F and -c ? looking at the IBS code here
[18:36] <LordDoskias> with just -c1000 still doesn't work
[18:36] <LordDoskias> i think the even is different
[18:37] <LordDoskias> i.e cpu-cycle:pp is not doing what's supposed
[18:37] <LordDoskias> only -e ibs_op/cntl_ctl=1 does ...
[18:50] <cascardo> what about -e r076:p ?


[07:57] <slangasek> mhall119: hey, so I finally got test cases working for https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/summit/social-media-configurable/+merge/217674
[13:32] <mhall119> slangasek: approved, thanks


[11:54] <jelmer> cjwatson , jugmac00 : what version of Breezy is Launchpad on nowadays? We're going to drop support for 3.2 early since the CI environment we were using is going away.
[12:10] <cjwatson> jelmer: https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/requirements/launchpad.txt → 3.2.0
[12:11] <cjwatson> jelmer: We can't upgrade past that yet since we're still on Python 3.5, unfortunately
[12:21] <jelmer> Ah :(
[12:21] <jelmer> (3.2.3 is out FWIW, although I don't recall any specific improvements since 3.2.0 that would be relevant to Launchpad)
[12:28] <cjwatson> jelmer: 3.2.1 accidentally dropped support for 3.5 though
[12:28] <cjwatson> (stray uses of variable annotations IIRC)
[12:40] <jelmer> Ah, that was unintended
[12:41] <jelmer> unfortunately that's kind of connected - our CI story isn't great today
[12:58] <cjwatson> jelmer: I think in practice this means it doesn't very much matter if you drop support for 3.2 early since for our purposes you inadvertently already did


[04:50] <guiverc_t> i read thru & edited summaries; 1 in planet I wrote alternative for; so one in planet will need mine or original deleted  (text very different) ..  // reminder @ start is there to remind..


[17:03] <smoser> larsks, around ?
[17:03] <smoser> on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1657130
[17:03] <larsks> smoser: Around!
[17:04] <smoser> bah. never mind. was wondering why you didn't use 'retries' in the wait_for_metadata_service call to wait_for_url
[17:04] <smoser> but retries is kind of builtin there
[17:04] <smoser> so never mind.
[17:04] <smoser> i was just looking at logs. you did good.
[17:04] <larsks> Phew!
[17:59] <rharper> smoser: bug for attempting to rename a bond:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1669860


[06:07] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:31] <Tm_T> moin
[06:35] <MooDoo> :D
[12:30] <popey> we have two bots in #ubuntu-touch, can we remove one?
[12:30] <popey> I mean, I love them box equally..
[12:42] <MooDoo> but it's like which is your faveorite child ;)
[12:43]  * popey pokes jussi
[12:44] <IdleOne> ubottu: part #ubuntu-touch
[12:45] <IdleOne> good girl
[12:45] <Fuchs> ubottu: join #ubuntu-touch!
[12:45] <Fuchs> aww :(
[12:45] <IdleOne> Fuchs: if it makes you feel better she wouldn't join if I asked her either
[12:46] <Fuchs> yes, thank you, that helps a lot
[12:46] <IdleOne> hehe
[17:17] <balloons> afternoon everyone. I was hoping you might be able to help me get a channel logged. I'm am unsure of exactly who setup #ubuntu-autopilot, but it's been brought to my attention it is not logged. The channel is used for official support for autopilot
[17:22] <Pici> balloons: the best method is to put in an rt ticket requesting that ubuntulog be added to that channel.
[17:33] <balloons> Pici, thank you I will do so
[19:25] <NikTh> Hello everyone. May I ask, what actions we have to do in order to log our channel (#ubuntu-gr) in irclogs.ubuntu.com. Thanks
[19:26] <Fuchs> the best method is to put in an rt ticket requesting that ubuntulog be added to that channel,  apparently
[19:30] <NikTh> Fuchs: You mean here ? https://rt.ubuntu.com or by e-mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[19:31] <Unit193> Right.
[19:31] <NikTh> Do I have to be the creator of the channel, or anyone can send such request ?
[19:31] <Fuchs> my guess would be that both does the same, but I don't know ubuntus RT system
[19:31] <Fuchs> my guess would be that it needs to be a / the founder, or at least a senior op
[19:32] <Unit193> Fuchs: Emailing that address will put it on rt.ubuntu.com.
[19:32] <NikTh> Ok. Thanks for the info Fuchs , Unit193  :)
[19:32] <Fuchs> because according to freenode guidelines, channels are not publically logged unless decided by the channel owners, which then also has to be communicated to the users by either topic or entrymessage
[19:34] <Unit193> Ubuntu standard has entrymessage.
[19:35] <NikTh> Unit193: I think the channel op or the owner (or anyone with the rights) must set this entrymessage about the logs.
[19:38] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels Not all of this applies, but it has an example message.
[19:42] <NikTh> Ok. Thanks for any info. I'm on the way to translating this first (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService) , then we will take the appropriate actions. Thanks again.
[19:51] <jose> NikTh: do !lococouncil in #ubuntu-locoteams if you don't get a response within a week and we'll get it sorted
[19:52] <NikTh> jose: Thanks :-)
[19:53] <jose> np :)


[02:08] <frank_> hi
[02:10] <frank_> I want to install ubuntu server 12.04 LTS on a VM. The homedir should be encrypted for every user, but the server should be able to boot without any interveniance (since it's a VM, vmware, ha, etc). What do I select in the installer?
[02:11] <frank_> Encrypt the first user and add the second one from cli via adduser? How do I get the homedir of the second user to be encrypted?
[02:11] <sarnold> frank_: probably "encrypted user home directories" -- that sets up ecryptfs to mount the user home directories with a stacked encrypted filesystem when users log in. it does complicate user crontabs, but it does boot without intervention
[02:11] <frank_> I guess the installer doesn't provide support to create n user accounts during installation where the homedir is encrypted
[02:12] <ScottK> No
[02:12] <tyhicks> frank_: I'm not sure if the installer provides that
[02:12] <tyhicks> frank_: but see the --encrypt-home option of adduser
[02:13] <frank_> tyhicks: nice, thanks
[02:13] <frank_> sarnold: what do i select during installation? Use entire vmdk and set up lvm?
[02:14] <sarnold> frank_: I believe that would allow you to grow the image / filesystem later if you wish.
[02:15] <frank_> sarnold: done
[02:18] <frank_> my provider promised me only level 3 filtering, configuring apt tages ages but eventually will finish. On TTy3 I see failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/...
[02:18] <frank_> i guess he's lying, isn't he?
[02:19] <frank_> i guess during install I haven't got a links to verify
[02:20] <sarnold> try also w3m, curl, wget, links, elinks, might be something..
[02:20] <sarnold> or if all else fails, maybe bash's /dev/tcp
[02:22] <frank_> last time I was behind a watchguard, which was pretty funny when I did am echo of seq(1,100) in a .txt and then wget'ted it. First got lines 51-100. Then 1 - 50
[03:30] <centaur5> I have a NFS share that mounts and even though I specified rw in fstab whenever I try to write to the mount point it says read only. Any ideas?
[04:15] <hallyn> stgraber: all right no worries, i see what's going wrong with nested lxc in ppa.  i *could* wokr around it in the mountcgroups script but am going to spend some time doing what i think is the right thing when creating containers
[04:16] <hallyn> (which is keep curcgroup per cgroup mount, and check tasks file to figure out what cgroup we are in relative to the mounted one, not to the host's / cgroup)
[04:57] <avis_> quite the large room, hello everyone
[04:58] <avis_> I'm having a slight dependency problem when installing libapache2-mod-python: I recieve the following error: http://pxl.uni.cx/irc
[04:59] <avis_> basically says I have have unmet dependencies
[04:59] <avis_> Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.3-0ubuntu2.2 is to be installed
[05:00] <avis_> however this is my phython version output - Python 2.7.3 (default, Aug  9 2013, 22:08:36)
[05:00] <avis_> sudo aptitude provides too many regressive dependencies to warrant going that route
[05:00] <avis_> Any ideas?
[11:38] <samba35> i have strange problem ,on my home system i am not able to boot with harddisk of vmware esxi 5.1 when i try to boot with harddisk  booting process goes in loop but if i boot with dvd and select boot from hardisk then system boot properly
[11:41] <samba35> sorry
[12:03] <samba35> is it possible to add other then ubunut iso image to create startup disk /using startup  disk creator
[15:13] <progre55> Hi guys. Is logrotate's delaycompress option needed for apache2, if I have set postrotate to reload apache? It's just, I rotate the logs weekly, and the access-forward logs can be really huge uncompressed.
[15:51] <andygraybeal> how do i transfer a KVM with an that lives in an LVM container to another machine?
[15:51] <andygraybeal> LVM container/partition ... i don't know the words.
[16:34] <yeats> andygraybeal: the fact that it's on LVM shouldn't matter - you should be able to move it
[16:35] <yeats> at the userspace level, the details of the storage medium shouldn't matter
[16:42] <andygraybeal> yeats, okay
[16:42] <andygraybeal> i have no experience with this, so i'm not sure ;)
[16:44] <andygraybeal> so... the over view is.. to copy the data out of the LVM partition into another LVM partion and then load up the KVM definition into libvirt?  is that basically what i need to accomplish?
[16:57] <yeats> andygraybeal: I believe so, yes
[16:57] <andygraybeal> okay thank you yeahpla
[16:57] <andygraybeal> errrr yeats
[16:58] <andygraybeal> i've never done snapshotting of LVM yet
[16:58] <yeats> andygraybeal: the main point is, at the OS level, you can think of this as "directories" rather than worrying about which type of storage medium it is
[16:58] <yeats> andygraybeal: very simple
[16:58] <yeats> 'virsh snapshot-create <vmname>'
[16:59] <andygraybeal> hmm.. with virsh?  it deals with LVM ?
[16:59] <andygraybeal> i was thinking that i would need to do LVM snapshot of the partition
[17:00] <andygraybeal> or.. i'm listening, i'm full of confusion :)
[17:00] <yeats> oh LVM?
[17:00] <andygraybeal> yes, i got a libvirt box on lvm
[17:00] <andygraybeal> not a image file
[17:01] <yeats> is your end goal that you want a snapshot of your VM?
[17:01] <andygraybeal> well.. the goal is to move a virtual machine from one physical machine to another physical machine.
[17:01] <yeats> andygraybeal: oh - I see - "snapshot" has a specific meaning in KVM, so I thought you meant that ;-)
[17:02] <andygraybeal> yes, sorry, i meant LVM snapshot, i forgot it meant something in the KVM world for two seconds
[17:05] <progre55> Hi guys. Is logrotate's delaycompress option needed for apache2, if I have set postrotate to reload apache? It's just, I rotate the logs weekly, and the access-forward logs can be really huge uncompressed.
[18:28] <axisys> why does one precise server showing linux 3.2 and the other precise server showing linux 3.5
[18:28] <axisys> ?
[18:39] <sl8_slick> I'm having an issue with my ovh server, I just added an IP block and everything went fine, but it broke one of my ubuntu VMs. It refuses to connect to the internet or ping the gateway, and when I type ifconfig all the information is correct
[18:49] <RoyK> axisys: probably because those that say 3.5 were installed with 12.04.2, which uses 3.5 by default. earlier 12.04 releases uses/used 3.2. you can install 3.5 on the older ones if you need to, but 3.2 will work as well. default kernel was changed to 3.5 to allow for better support for newer hardware
[19:09] <axisys> RoyK: oh ok..
[19:09] <axisys> I will just upgrade the kernel since these two servers will be failover for each other.
[19:09] <axisys> RoyK: thanks
[19:10] <RoyK> axisys: np
[19:21] <ddsss> fresh ubuntu server 13.04 install. installed from usb key. doesn't boot.
[19:21] <ddsss> simply flies thorugh intial output and then monitor says no signal.
[19:22] <ddsss> I can't even see what erro is there - so fast it goes.
[19:48] <axisys> ddsss: you get anything with shift-alt-F1 or F2 or F3 .. F7 ?
[19:49] <ddsss> axisys, yes - bios works just fine.
[19:49] <ddsss> axisys, then - ubuntu installs just fine.
[19:49] <axisys> huh?
[19:50] <axisys> shift-alt-F1 gives you anything?
[19:50] <ddsss> axisys, ahh - no.
[19:50] <axisys> its one of the vtys
[19:50] <axisys> how about F2 .. to .. F7
[19:50] <ddsss> axisys, Its a headless server install. so i didn't install gui.
[19:51] <axisys> 15:21:46 < ddsss> simply flies thorugh intial output and then monitor says no  signal.
[19:51] <ddsss> axisys, exactly!
[19:51] <axisys> if it is headless why expecting something in the monitor?
[19:51] <ddsss> axisys, I mean - server without gui.
[19:52] <axisys> can you ssh to it?
[19:52] <ddsss> axisys, but yes - there is  a monitor attached via vga cable.
[19:52] <axisys> tty0 is vga and ttyS0 is console
[19:52] <axisys> where are you redirecting the display in grub?
[19:53] <ddsss> axisys, mmm. it was an automatica installl. how would I check?
[19:53] <ddsss> e in grub menu?
[19:53] <axisys> automatic install usually points to tty0.. but yes check in the grub
[19:54] <ddsss> i'll start it again. hang on:)
[19:54] <axisys> it should be something like console=tty0 and/or console=ttyS0,9600n8 or like
[19:54] <axisys> i would remove the quiet after --
[19:54] <axisys> and also remove the splash..
[19:55] <axisys> for server you really dont want to use those crap
[19:57] <ddsss> hmm. pressing e on ubuntu entry gives me some short script or a config or what not.
[19:57] <ddsss> setparams 'Ubuntu '
[19:57] <ddsss> recordfailt
[19:57] <ddsss> etc
[19:58] <ddsss> imhonestly not sure which one is video
[19:58] <ddsss> it does ave load_video though
[19:58] <ddsss> it does have load_video though
[20:02] <ddsss> ahhh! GPU power managament timed out - what does that mean?
[20:03] <ddsss> axisys, I've got the actual error  - I've had to record the whole thing on camera and then select the last part:)
[20:04] <ddsss> gma500 GPU: power managament timed out.
[20:09] <ddsss> axisys, ahh. it seems the new mobo I got for a nas has some completely unsupported graphics which require adding additional repos during install: gma500 on Launchpad.
[20:17] <ddsss> axisys, ha. I was just been able to ssh in. SO I guess it worked ll along  - just video driver wasn't present.
[20:56] <bananapie> Are hardware interrupts related to kernel frequency?
[21:13] <failmaster> i have a problem with switching passphrase luks auth on boot to key file based, extra details: http://askubuntu.com/questions/330660/what-is-the-correct-way-to-use-key-file-luks-authorization anyone?
[21:27] <RoyK> bananapie: no
[21:29] <bananapie> how can I tell if I have a bottleneck from my IRQ interrupts?
[21:31] <RoyK> can you pastebin /proc/interrupts?
[21:31] <RoyK> or perhaps how much hi is reported from top?
[21:31] <bananapie> http://pastebin.com/kWP0Vt9q
[21:31] <RoyK> also - what sort of server is this?
[21:32] <bananapie> HP Proliant I think.
[21:32] <bananapie> DL360 or something like that I bought back in 2010
[21:32] <RoyK> a router?
[21:33] <bananapie> Nope. It has 4 networks cards bonded into bond0 and bond1. It has a Sangoma A108DE card that receives PRIs from my telco and I convert the calls into SIP/RTP on the server.
[21:34]  * RoyK smells asterisk
[21:34] <bananapie> Nope :P I stopped using asterisk, I am running freeswitch.
[21:34] <bananapie> But close ;)
[21:35] <RoyK> goodie
[21:35] <bananapie> I can't tell if that is sarcastic
[21:35] <RoyK> I guess the NICs don't support much buffering or may be need to get their buffers increased
[21:35] <RoyK> no, it was not ;)
[21:35] <bananapie> What makes you believe that I have buffer problems?
[21:36] <RoyK> with higher buffers, you get lower interrupt rates
[21:36] <bananapie> ok
[21:36] <RoyK> check the module settings for the NIC driver(s)
[21:37] <RoyK> no idea if those MSI NICs support much buffering, though
[21:37] <RoyK> Intel cards are usually my best bet for such use
[21:37] <bananapie> I'll check. Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet
[21:37] <RoyK> ouch
[21:37] <RoyK> those aren't too good
[21:37] <RoyK> but may be tunable for something better
[21:38] <bananapie> I like that the first page I found on google starts with "These cards are flawed".
[21:38] <RoyK> I mean - the NIC may be good, but Broadcom doesn't release much info about their hardware so much of the driver development is about reverse engineering
[21:38] <RoyK> hehe
[21:39] <bananapie> could the badness of these ethernet card impact the performance of my sangoma card?
[21:40] <RoyK> hardly, unless it's PCI
[21:40] <RoyK> you should have enough CPU cores to handle it
[21:40] <bananapie> the 4 ethernet cards are built into the motherboard and the sangoma is PCI express
[21:41] <bananapie> ok.
[21:41] <RoyK> then it should work well
[21:41] <RoyK> on which interrupt is the sangoma?
[21:41] <bananapie> 30
[21:42] <RoyK> rather a few interrupts from that one as well :P
[21:43] <bananapie> 916 million interrupts in 5 days, is that a lot?
[21:43] <RoyK> bananapie: this says a bit about what I think about asterisk :P http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk-installation.wav
[21:44] <bananapie> That was brilliant!
[21:44] <RoyK> or http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk_architecture.jpg
[21:47] <bananapie> Would it be a bad idea to allow 4 CPUs to the sangoma card?
[21:49] <bananapie> I really need to learn more about Interrupts. Do you have any documents that you especially like that gives good info about interrupts in Linux?
[21:50] <bananapie> what's odd about the card is the smp affinity was 00200020 instead of ffffffffff like I found in /proc/irq/default_snmp_affinity
[21:51] <Patrickdk> how about we stop all this *guessing*
[21:51] <Patrickdk> what is the *problem*?
[21:51] <bananapie> I randomly get talk-off on my PRI and some faxes fail. I thought it was a sangoma/freeswitch problem, but yesterday
[21:52] <RoyK> Patrickdk++
[21:52] <RoyK> bananapie: talk-off?
[21:52] <bananapie> I installed a Zabbix machine on the network to monitor my servers, all the servers generate  beautiful graphs.
[21:52]  * RoyK doesn't quite understand
[21:52] <bananapie> But for some reason, Zabbix can't get more than about 5% of the data it requests from the machine with the Sangoma in it.
[21:52] <RoyK> bananapie: t.38 is always hard to work with, though
[21:52] <bananapie> But I ping the machine and it responds fine.
[21:53] <bananapie> So, I don't know what is going on, so I suspect there may be an evil spirit living in my PCIE bus.
[21:53] <Patrickdk> seriously unlikely
[21:53] <Patrickdk> a bad driver, sure
[21:53] <RoyK> bananapie: have you tried to talk to coppice about the spandsp issues?
[21:53] <bananapie> The Evil Spirit of Sys-admin-know-nothing-about-his-IRQs
[21:54] <bananapie> Yes. I spoke with coppice, we talked about echo cancellation and stuff.
[21:54] <Patrickdk> bananapie, how many pri's?
[21:54] <bananapie> 8
[21:54] <bananapie> but, I disconnected 2 to see what would happen
[21:54] <bananapie> so the only 6 have been connected for the past few weeks
[21:54] <bananapie> Because of the funky behaviour from Zabbix that is isolated to this machine, I think something else is going on on the server.
[21:55] <Patrickdk> well, that should max you out around 17mbit
[21:55] <bananapie> But only 2 of the PRIs see any serious use, it is rare that the other PRIs use more than 3-4 channels a tthe same time.
[21:56] <Patrickdk> how did you monitor this, only 5% data?
[21:56] <bananapie> the graphs on Zabbix have a few dots instead of full lines like all the other servers that have the exact same hardware and Ubuntu version ( excluding the sangoma card )
[21:58] <Patrickdk> it is a pcie sangoma card?
[21:58] <bananapie> Yes.
[21:58] <Patrickdk> not the pci version?
[21:59] <bananapie> PCIE
[21:59] <bananapie> A108DE
[21:59] <bananapie> d = hardware DTMF and E = PCI Express.
[22:08] <bananapie> less -S makes /proc/interrupts readable on my screen :D
[22:50] <bananapie> hello?
[22:51] <failmaster> i have a problem with switching passphrase luks auth on boot to key file based, extra details: http://askubuntu.com/questions/330660/what-is-the-correct-way-to-use-key-file-luks-authorization anyone?


[22:08] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: ping?
[22:12] <Megabyte> Hello
[22:12] <Megabyte> Guys, I have a little problem here
[22:13] <Megabyte> I was reading Ubuntu's User Guide
[22:13] <Megabyte> and I ran into this little fragment
[22:13] <Megabyte> "The early GUIs were difficult to configure, clunky, and generally only
[22:13] <Megabyte> used by seasoned computer programmers. In the past decade, however,
[22:13] <Megabyte> graphical user interfaces have grown in usability, reliability, and appearance.
[22:13] <Megabyte> Ubuntu is just one of many different Linux distributions."
[22:13] <pleia2> Megabyte: which documentation is this? shipped on your system?
[22:14] <pleia2> and which version :)
[22:14] <Megabyte> What does "Ubuntu is just one of many different [...]" has to do with "the early GUIs?"
[22:14] <Megabyte> pleia, this is "Getting Started With Ubuntu 13.10"
[22:14] <Megabyte> Most current version
[22:14] <pleia2> Megabyte: from ubuntu-manual.org ?
[22:14] <GunnarHj> pleia2: The manual, in other words.
[22:14] <Megabyte> pleia2, precisely so
[22:14] <pleia2> Megabyte: ok, you want #ubuntu-manual
[22:15] <pleia2> there are a couple manual people here, but that's the channel were more of them hang out :)
[22:15] <knome> o hai pleia2
[22:15]  * pleia2 hides
[22:15] <Megabyte> pleia2, I think this content needs some more love
[22:15] <Megabyte> pleia2, Some of the information is inaccurate, too
[22:16] <pleia2> Megabyte: right, we don't work on the manual, you want to chat with the manual folks, you can also submit bugs here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[22:16] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: All the various docs need more love. Much more...
[22:16] <pleia2> we work on help.ubuntu.com documentation
[22:16] <Megabyte> pleia2, I'm not sure that is a "bug..."
[22:16] <Megabyte> In the sense that it doesn't make things crash
[22:16] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, I strongly believe that
[22:17] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: It's a perfectly fine docs bug.
[22:17] <pleia2> it's documentation, it doesn't need things to crash for it to be a bug
[22:17] <Megabyte> pleia2, I think it's overstretching to call these "bugs"
[22:17] <Megabyte> It also slows down the process of fixing them
[22:17] <Megabyte> *it / the info
[22:18] <pleia2> Megabyte: even so, please join #ubuntu-manual to chat with them about it, we're a different project
[22:18] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: That's the term which is used on Launchpad. And it doesn't slow things down at all. On the contrary, it helps tracking the issues.
[22:18] <Megabyte> pleia2, I'm already there, but no dice
[22:18] <pleia2> ok
[22:18] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, I'm trying to translate and update the info from the manual
[22:19] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: Aha, great!
[22:19] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, one person alone could do it... the problem is that the Ubuntu Manual is "assembled" in Launchpad, and automated with LaTeX
[22:19] <Megabyte> In a complicated makefile way
[22:20] <knome> pleia2, heh, not asking for anything.. this time.. yet
[22:20] <Megabyte> This makes it hard to actually focus on writing and improving docs
[22:20] <Megabyte> And adds extra layers of complexity
[22:20] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, I'm using LibreOffice with document styles and looking at the PDF side-by-side
[22:21] <belkinsa> GunnarHj, pong.
[22:21] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: Are you a member of ubuntu-manual?
[22:22] <GunnarHj> Hi belkinsa!
[22:22] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, nope. I can't even talk to them, mostly
[22:22] <Megabyte> (No one is there)
[22:22] <belkinsa> What's up?  I was thinking of hosting the Hangout.
[22:23] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: I'd suggest you join the team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual
[22:23] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, That I've already done
[22:23] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, Joining through Launchpad
[22:23] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, But using Launchpad to translate this is overkill
[22:23] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: One person who you should try to reach is godbyk (Kevin Godby)
[22:23] <belkinsa> Then you can e-mail the mailing-list.
[22:23] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, That's my whole point, actually
[22:24] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, Ubuntu also lacks tools that would make localizing much more consisteny, like a multilingual glossary
[22:24] <Megabyte> *consistent
[22:24] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: Well, it's the way it's done currently. Once you get used to it it's not very complicated.
[22:25] <Megabyte> GunnarHj, I understand it's the way Ubuntu does it, but I disagree with the process
[22:26] <GunnarHj> Megabyte: It's ok to disagree. But this room isn't the right place to achieve any changes.
[22:27] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: I will be there on the docs roundtable on Wednesday. But I can't log in to the summit site.
[22:28] <belkinsa> That should go Mike Hall. at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:28] <belkinsa> Because you can't log in and he might help you.
[22:29] <knome> i guess ultimately this might be a good channel to discuss change, but the change won't happen overnight
[22:29] <belkinsa> Oh, wait mhall119  is here in this channel
[22:29] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Thanks for the tip. Did you have that problem before?
[22:29] <belkinsa> I never had it
[22:30] <GunnarHj> This is what I get:
[22:30] <GunnarHj> "The username (gunnarhj) with which you tried to log in is already in use for a different account."
[22:30] <belkinsa> knome, I agree and maybe this item could be brought up at the roundtable?
[22:30] <belkinsa> GunnarHj, I never seen that.
[22:30] <belkinsa> Have you cleared the chace?
[22:30] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Only if people who know anything about the manual participate.
[22:31] <knome> well i don't know if it's that much about the medium
[22:31] <belkinsa> GunnarHj, oh, then never mind.
[22:31] <knome> it's more about the suggest-making person first doing things, getting involved, getting to know people and only then even start discussing about a change
[22:32] <belkinsa> Megabyte, I would suggest that you e-mail the Manual mailing-list for help, someone might reply.
[22:32] <knome> changing the backend because a new contributor around thinks it's a good is too risky.
[22:32] <knome> *a good idea
[22:33] <knome> not to take anything off from the suggestion or say it's a bad idea.
[22:35] <Megabyte> knome, the multilingual glossary is a zero-risk idea, though
[22:35] <Megabyte> It's basically a table with original language, comments, target language, comments
[22:36] <Megabyte> knome, sorry to bring up this example, but it's really one of the best when it comes to an online technical glossary:
[22:36] <Megabyte> http://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-US/Default.aspx
[22:37] <Megabyte> An example of it in action
[22:37] <Megabyte> http://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-US/Search.aspx?sString=desktop&langID=pt-br
[22:55] <knome> who's going to take the time and effort to build it?
[22:56] <knome> who'll make sure the data is inserted?
[22:56] <knome> who'll maintain it?


[05:39] <klitzs> is this the xbox help or just pc help?
[05:45] <moetunes> this is the pc one - do you mean #xbmc ?
[05:46] <moetunes> !xubuntu
[05:48] <klitzs> ah ok
[05:48] <klitzs> i went here and got this http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Download
[05:50] <klitzs> and downloadedthe ubunto one and it said to go here for problemss
[05:50] <klitzs> since it was a pc/xbox dual boot cd
[05:51] <klitzs> but i guess you cant help but thanks anyway ;)
[05:51] <moetunes> I didn't know you could do that on the xbox - heh
[05:52] <moetunes> if you have a prob you can try in here
[05:52] <moetunes> afaik
[06:08] <goanUbuntu> anyone with a method to reset root pw for ubuntu server?  latest ver
[06:09] <goanUbuntu> i can get to the GRUB menu bt pressing esc after inital boot
[08:03] <wodz> Hello, I have strange problem. After upgrading 8.04 -> 10.04 all my removable devices are listed twice (I mean two icons on Desktop and need to double umount). Anyone have a clue whats wrong?
[08:05] <moetunes> do you have a seperate partition for home?
[08:05] <wodz> yes
[08:06] <moetunes> sounds like it has doubled up on some configs - kept the old and added some new
[08:07] <moetunes> try picking a xfce session at login instead of just booting into the last one
[08:07] <moetunes> wodz: ^^
[08:07] <wodz> what You mean by picking xfce session?
[08:08] <moetunes> at gdm there is a button called session yes - click that and select a new session
[08:09] <goanUbuntu> anyone with a method to reset root pw for ubuntu server?  latest ver.     i can get to the GRUB menu bt pressing esc after inital boot
[08:09] <wodz> ok I will try that
[08:09] <moetunes> goanUbuntu: it shouldn't have a root password by default
[08:10] <wodz> and second issue - is there easy way to force gdm ask for username instead of list of existing users?
[08:10] <goanUbuntu> sorry not clear
[08:11] <moetunes> !root | goanUbuntu
[08:11] <goanUbuntu> i was just wondering if there is a way to reset the root password
[08:11] <goanUbuntu> ty for the URL ref
[08:11] <goanUbuntu> i will chk it
[08:12] <moetunes> wodz: there used to be a choice for that - check out the login settings under system in the menu
[08:15] <MalkavianManiac> goanUbuntu, sudo passwd
[08:16] <goanUbuntu> TY
[08:16] <wodz> moetunes: trick with session doesn't work I still have my pendrive listed twice
[08:17] <goanUbuntu> will sudo passwd reuire a paswword?
[08:17] <goanUbuntu> MalkavianManiac, will sudo passwd reuire a paswword?
[08:17] <moetunes> goanUbuntu: it will want your users password
[08:17] <MalkavianManiac> !sudo
[08:18] <goanUbuntu> moetunes: which user's password will it ask me for plz?
[08:19] <moetunes> wodz: afaik there is something doubled up in ~/.config - what i wouldn't know
[08:19] <MalkavianManiac> goanUbuntu, the user who executes the sudo command
[08:19] <moetunes> goanUbuntu: the user you are logged in as mate :]
[08:19] <goanUbuntu> nice
[08:19] <goanUbuntu> k
[08:19] <goanUbuntu> will try.   many thnaks
[08:19] <moetunes> np :]
[08:20] <wodz> moetunes: will ~/.config be recreated in default state if I rename it?
[08:20] <moetunes> wodz: if you log in to a new session afaik yes
[08:21] <wodz> I don't have option to create new session - in gdm I can choose between xterm, ~/.xsession, xfce and Xubuntu session
[08:22] <MalkavianManiac> wodz,  moetunes means when you log in
[08:22] <MalkavianManiac> so log in with an Xubuntu session
[08:22] <moetunes> wodz: in gdm select Xubuntu session
[08:23] <wodz> ok time for test than thx
[08:23] <moetunes> luck
[08:25] <wodz> this doesn't solve problem
[08:26] <wodz> I have all my settings reseted (theme and so on) but removable drives still shows twice
[08:26] <wodz> It even auto opens two thunar windows now on insert
[08:27] <moetunes> and you renamed .config?
[08:28] <wodz> yes and quited with save session unmarked
[08:28] <moetunes> did you select a new xubuntu session?
[08:29] <wodz> If You mean Xubuntu session in GDM - yes
[08:29] <moetunes> k :]
[08:32] <moetunes> my google-fu is failing - I can't a relevant post to your issue wodz  - seems to a unique issue
[08:32] <wodz> I was googling for few days before
[08:33] <MalkavianManiac> hrmm
[08:33] <MalkavianManiac> insert a device and paste the output of the mount command
[08:36] <wodz> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)
[08:36] <wodz> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[08:36] <wodz> none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[08:36] <wodz> /dev/sda2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime)
[08:36] <wodz> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[08:36] <wodz> /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,umask=0077,shortname=winnt,utf8)
[08:36] <wodz> /dev/sdc1 on /media/disk-1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,umask=0077,shortname=winnt,utf8)
[08:37] <MalkavianManiac> hrmm
[08:37] <MalkavianManiac> the problem isnt Xfce
[08:37] <wodz> lovely
[08:37] <MalkavianManiac> its to do with your device manager
[08:38] <MalkavianManiac> which means you could probably ask in #ubuntu aswell
[08:38] <moetunes> dmesg | tail   with the stick removed and insert stick and again   dmesg | tail
[08:38] <MalkavianManiac> your device manager is assigning the device to 2 locations /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc
[08:39] <MalkavianManiac> also
[08:39] <MalkavianManiac> !paste
[08:39] <owen1_> new 9.10 install. keyboard shortcuts not working. (alt+f2 for example, not opening xfrun4). any ideas?
[08:39] <moetunes> owen1: wrong keyboard selected?
[08:43] <wodz> what packages should be installed? udev, hal, libhal-storage1, udisks?
[08:44] <moetunes> it is udev that is used now - but some apps still use hal
[08:45] <moetunes> wodz: do   dmesg | tail   with the stick removed and insert stick and again   dmesg | tail
[08:45] <Gamarok___> !nvidia
[08:45] <Gamarok___> !multiple gpu
[08:46] <MalkavianManiac> !sli
[08:46] <MalkavianManiac> !crossfire
[08:46] <moetunes> !bot
[08:46] <moetunes> !messagethebot
[08:47] <wodz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/438210/ stick removed
[08:47] <Gamarok___> hey guys i am running on xubuntu and whenever i install a restricted driver and reboot i my display turns off and i can't see anything how can i fix this
[08:48] <Gamarok___> the card is a nvida g210m with multiple gpu's
[08:48] <wodz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/438212/ stick inserted (hmm output is extermaly strange - this stick is perfectly working one)
[08:49] <moetunes> I don't use the restricted drivers... - in a few hours there will be more people in #ubuntu Gamarok___ that might know - tho it is sunday
[08:49] <MalkavianManiac> wodz, can we get a bit more output on the second dmesg
[08:50] <wodz> yes - I am looking now where relevant part starts
[08:50] <Gamarok___> moetunes alrite man thanks anyways
[08:50] <moetunes> k
[08:50] <Gamarok___>  :)
[08:50] <moetunes> dmesg | tail -n 20
[08:51] <wodz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/438214/
[08:53] <moetunes> wodz: does it mention sdb earlier since it is mounting twice?
[08:53] <wodz> no - this is complete dmesg part after inserting stick
[08:54] <wodz> but mount lists this stick both as sdb1 and sdc1 still
[08:55] <wodz> but /media/disk is empty and /media/disk-1 has pendrive content
[08:55] <moetunes> wodz: try in terminal   sudo umount -v /dev/sdb1 && sudo umount -v /dev/sdc1   then unplug the stick and replug it and check dmesg again pls
[08:59] <wodz> moetunes: now I have only sdb referenced in dmesg without errors, mount lists only sdb1 (no duplicated entry) but thunar pops up two windows and I have two icons on Desktop
[09:00] <moetunes> wodz: well it is an improvement of sorts but not a solution
[09:01] <moetunes> wodz: do both icons open in the same place?
[09:01] <wodz> yes /media/disk
[09:02] <moetunes> k
[09:03] <wodz> now I recall that few days ago I had similar errors in dmesg when dealing with CF card in reader but I thought that it was card fault as it is a bit old
[09:05] <moetunes> what's a cf cad?
[09:05] <moetunes> card*
[09:05] <wodz> CompactFlash
[09:06] <moetunes> MalkavianManiac> its to do with your device manager - seems to be the prob but I know nothing about it
[09:07] <MalkavianManiac> moetunes, umm its wodz that has the problem
[09:07] <moetunes> sorry MalkavianManiac it was a quote to wodz
[09:08] <moetunes> you said it earlier...
[09:08] <wodz> MalkavianManiac: what packages are installed by default and deals with disk management? Maybe some package from old install interfere with current scheme?
[09:28] <ferrandu> hi to all
[09:28] <ferrandu> goodmorning
[09:28] <knome> !hi | ferrandu
[10:13] <ferrandu> hi to all
[10:13] <ferrandu> I'm 2 very similars problems
[10:13] <ferrandu> 1 - I'm using Evolutin and Chromium. When I click on a link Evolution goes to execute firefox (Im in XFCE control panel has Chromium browser)
[10:13] <ferrandu> 2- I'm using Docky. When I click on the trash, docky goes to execute nautilus
[10:15] <moetunes> ferrandu: you have to check in those apps for what they use for net and trash - it is something you need to set up
[10:22] <ferrandu> hi moetunes no exists site in these apps to configure helper apps
[10:22] <ferrandu> in xfce control panel im selected chormium and thunar
[10:22] <ferrandu> .. is only with these apps
[10:22] <moetunes> ferrandu: are there hidden files/folders with the config for those apps?
[10:23] <moetunes> ferrandu: ctrl+h in thunar to show them
[10:24] <ferrandu> yes im watch these files
[10:24] <ferrandu> and i change the config in (gconf) ((configuration for gnome [im doesn't have gnome installed))
[10:25] <moetunes> ferrandu: next is to check the homepage for those apps for a howto - i don't use them here sorry
[10:37] <ferrandu> bye, thx
[13:06] <Tesssa> help i use xubuntu 10.4.installed "wine" then "corel printhouse magic" it worked perfect in 9.10 but not in 10.4 get as far as the drawing window it opens then shuts down any ideas why.not the puter shuts down just the application
[13:08] <moetunes> might be best to ask in #winehq Tesssa
[13:09] <Tesssa> ok thanks
[13:58] <xubuntu100> hi there guys this is my first use ! Fuck windwows... mine just crashd for the 4th time so im ova it
[13:58] <bazhang> watch the language please
[13:59] <xubuntu100> soorz dude
[13:59] <xubuntu100> my bad
[13:59] <xubuntu100> so yeah umbuntu
[13:59] <xubuntu100> what do u guys thnk as an altrntv to windows XP ?
[14:57] <masterslakk> hey, how do i see my network in xubuntu
[15:59] <pramod> Hi all
[16:00] <pramod> i am trying to get dual monitors working on my xubuntu machine
[16:00] <pramod> it just gives me cloned output on both my monitors..
[16:01] <pramod> can anyone help me get the display across both monitors
[16:02] <TheSheep> !dualhead
[16:03] <TheSheep> !xrandr
[16:03] <pramod> thanks TheSheep, ill check those out
[17:34] <edakiri> can packages of 4.6.2 be had from somewhere?
[18:19] <FotherMucker> Hello
[18:20] <FotherMucker> Hellloooo?
[18:20] <FotherMucker> ECHO Echo echo eco co o
[18:21] <ikonia> FotherMucker: stop that now
[18:21] <FotherMucker> ikonia: Yes mum
[18:21] <ikonia> stop now
[18:21] <FotherMucker> I was just checking if there were people here
[18:21] <FotherMucker> Not much activity on this channel, is there?
[18:22] <knome> FotherMucker, this is not a random chatter channel, this channel is for support
[18:22] <FotherMucker> The off-topic channel is dead v_v
[18:22] <knome> sorry.
[18:23] <ikonia> it's active, this channel is for xubuntu support only, please keep to that topic or use the offtopic channel
[18:23] <FotherMucker> Okay, I'm sorry.
[18:23] <FotherMucker> Goodbye.
[19:17] <edakiri> where are XFCE package repositories?  are backports somewhere?
[19:18] <mr_pouit> of Xfce 4.6.2? no
[19:19] <mr_pouit> (xfce 4.6.1 packages in lucid already contain most of the patches from xfce 4.6.2)
[19:34] <knome> i want to listen what comes in from a line-in in my external audigy 2 box. how can i do that in lucid?
[19:34] <knome> mr_pouit, ^
[19:39] <mr_pouit> mmh, no idea knome (I'm not the correct person to ask about sound problems :p)
[19:40] <knome> this was working in karmic when i turned analog mix to 100%
[19:40] <knome> but in lucid, not a single pff
[19:51] <masterslakk> lucid my baby...
[19:53] <slow-motion> hi
[20:02] <MalkavianManiac> !hi | slow-motion
[20:05] <slow-motion> is it forbidden to greet?
[20:05] <MalkavianManiac> no
[20:45]  * masterslakk love candy
[21:00] <egle_> Hello, xubuntu karmic resets settings everytime computer goes to sleep mode. Please help
[22:22] <roygbiv> i just installed 10.04 but for some reason gnome-keyring isn't loading my ssh keys. any ideas why this is?


[15:52] <msbrown> Hey, have an oddball situation. I've taken a server installed via maas (d-i install), and moved it off of maas to be a stand-alone server. What's the best way to disable the cloud-init boot sequence?
[16:14] <smoser> msbrown, you can probably
[16:14] <smoser> dpkg-reconfigure cloud-init
[16:14] <smoser> and just seleect the None datasource
[16:14] <msbrown> thx
[16:15] <smoser> if that doesn't work, then i'd just put some data in /var/lib/cloud/nocloud/seed
[16:15] <smoser> so that it would think it found *that* datasource all the time.
[16:15] <msbrown> I'll try the first method
[16:17] <msbrown> well, that makes the boot faster, you get some ugly messaging but as long as you know to ignore it....
[16:21] <msbrown> (whatever you do, *don't* just delete all the cloud* entries from /etc/init :-)
[16:41] <SpamapS> smoser: question
[16:41] <SpamapS> smoser: oh and HI
[16:41] <SpamapS> smoser: so, cloud-config sets the hostname right?
[16:41] <SpamapS> smoser: I'm considering that we need to delay runlevel 2 until after cloud-config finishes
[16:42] <SpamapS> smoser: thoughts on that?
[16:42] <SpamapS> smoser: we're having problems where things don't always get the same hostname on reboot because they start faster the second time for whatever reason.. just before cc_set_hostname runs
[16:57] <smoser> ubuntu ?
[16:58] <smoser> SpamapS, ?
[17:00] <SpamapS> smoser: yeah
[17:02] <SpamapS> smoser: this is with baremetal hardware, but using EC2 metadata.. so.. yeah.. we're on crack a bit. :)
[17:03] <smoser> cloud_init_modules should set hostname per default config
[17:03] <smoser> which should execute
[17:03] <smoser> start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/ and stopped cloud-init-nonet
[17:04] <smoser> which almost certainly should block the starting of runlevel 2
[17:06] <SpamapS> smoser: so cloud-config doesn't run the cc_* modules?
[17:11] <smoser> see cloud.cfg, SpamapS
[17:11] <smoser> they run at different stages per that config
[17:11] <SpamapS> smoser: AH
[17:11] <SpamapS> misunderstanding resolved
[17:12] <SpamapS> smoser: ok.. so hm.. why are we seeing our hostname different on two successive boots.. argh
[17:12] <SpamapS> first boot we get no .novalocal
[17:12] <SpamapS> or we do, then second we don't get it.. I can't remember now
[17:13] <smoser> SpamapS, based on very little info, i guess its related to
[17:14] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/cloudinit/sources/__init__.py#L169
[17:18] <SpamapS> smoser: we do have local-hostname
[17:19] <SpamapS> smoser: but good thinking :)
[19:01] <harlowja> SpamapS who are u, lol
[19:01] <harlowja> no cloudinit for u
[19:01] <harlowja> lol
[20:09] <SpamapS> harlowja: i can haz hostname plzzzzz
[20:45] <harlowja> SpamapS ha
[20:47] <harlowja> SpamapS let me know if u figured it out, can help if u don't
[20:48] <SpamapS> harlowja: I don't think our problem is cloud-init
[20:48] <SpamapS> something else subtle going on
[20:48] <harlowja> k
[20:49] <harlowja> stop doing those bad things then
[20:49] <harlowja> lol
[20:49] <SpamapS> am I the only one that thinks lol looks like a ghost raising its arms and chasing somebody from right to left?
[20:49] <SpamapS> lol==---...
[20:49] <harlowja> :)
[20:49] <harlowja> run away!
[20:50] <SpamapS> ..---[20:50] <harlowja> ha
[20:50] <SpamapS> well now it looks like bennie hill
[20:50] <harlowja> SpamapS do u know if anyone from HP is going to http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/172017412/ ?
[20:50] <SpamapS> just need doors and gratuitous un-garmenting
[20:50] <harlowja> "OpenStack at Mega-scale"  (whatever that means)
[20:51] <SpamapS> harlowja: I hope so
[20:51] <harlowja> ya, i'm not sure i want to go yet, lol
[20:51] <SpamapS> harlowja: but most of our actual dev/ops who would be able to contribute are in "not bay area"
[20:51] <harlowja> megascale sounds to much like marketing blah blah
[20:51] <SpamapS> gigascale would be better
[20:51] <SpamapS> terascale
[20:52] <SpamapS> Have a competing meetup next door. "OpenStack at petascale"
[20:52] <harlowja> :)
[20:52] <harlowja> +2
[20:52] <harlowja> mine bigger than yours meetup
[20:52] <harlowja> *maybe shouldn't call it that*
[20:53] <SpamapS> might attract the wrong crowd
[20:53] <harlowja> :)
[20:53] <SpamapS> lol[20:53] <harlowja> ha
[20:53] <harlowja> ..---[20:53] <harlowja> ha
[20:54] <SpamapS> o/` [ kazoo music ] o/`
[20:55] <harlowja> ^ did the ghost just pass threw a kazoo?
[20:55] <harlowja> cause ghosts can do that afik
[20:55] <harlowja> *afaik
[21:33] <lipinski> How do I get a VMs instance id via cloud init?  e.g., the one that is in openstack meta-data.json?
[21:39] <harlowja> cat /var/lib/cloud/data/instance-id
[21:39] <harlowja> *thats one way
[21:45] <lipinski> harlowja: that's not the instance ID I need.  I think that's the EC2 one?  I need the one that is available via Openstack metadata
[21:45] <lipinski> e.g., curl <IP_ADDRESS>/openstack/latest/meta_data.json (uuid)
[21:45] <harlowja> ah, which cloud-init are u using
[21:46] <lipinski> My problem is that using the <IP_ADDRESS> ties me to the network-based metadata service.  I would like to use Cloud-init so that I am abstracted from metadata via network vs cloud-drive
[21:46] <lipinski> one sec
[21:46] <harlowja> yup, the newest cloud-init has that abstraction
[21:46] <lipinski> 0.7.2-2.el6.noarch
[21:46] <harlowja> ya, that one only knows how to fetch from the EC2 metadata/userdata from 169
[21:47] <harlowja> which is why u see the ec2 id
[21:47] <lipinski> Is there a newer Cloud-Init that would give me what I need?
[21:47] <lipinski> (hopefully in a RHEL6 RPM form.. :) )
[21:48] <harlowja> ya, 0.7.5 would have what u need, although u'll need to build your own rpm afaik
[21:48] <harlowja> which isn't that hard to do since the cloud-init code has that
[21:48] <harlowja> i don't think rhel has published that version yet
[21:49] <lipinski> harlowja: thanks a bunch.  So, the UUID/VMID that I'm looking for would then be accessible via /var/lib/cloud/data/instance-id ?  Or somewhere else?
[21:49] <harlowja> that'd be the place
[21:54] <lipinski> fantastic.  thanks again.
[21:58] <lipinski> harlowja: sorry to bother again.  0.7.4-2 have what I need, or do I need 0.7.5?
[22:05] <harlowja> i think 0.7.5
[22:05] <harlowja> which was just released afaik
[22:09] <harlowja> the other option is u can just add a script into user-data that fetches that information lipinski (basically running `curl <IP_ADDRESS>/openstack/latest/meta_data.json`)
[22:11] <lipinski> harlowja: thanks.  Yes - I may do that as a stop-gap measure until we can get to 0.75.
[22:11] <harlowja> right
[22:11] <harlowja> shouldn't be to bad, could even do something simple in python to get it
[22:12] <harlowja> although u should be able to checkout cloud-init and run 'make rpm' and a rpm should pop out
[22:12] <lipinski> I didn't want to get into the "business" of interfacing with metadata services.  Prefer Cloud-Init do the lifting for me and that way I get cloud-drive+metadata support without any change on my side :)
[22:12] <harlowja> yup
[22:13] <lipinski> I've never downloaded cloud-init before (since we get RPMs).
[22:13] <lipinski> Thanks again.
[22:14] <harlowja> np


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[00:06] <Pendulum> evenin
[00:07] <IdleOne> evening Pendulum :)
[07:39] <AlanBell> 27/564 = 4.8%
[07:42] <pleia2> so close :)
[07:46] <AlanBell> an all time high
[07:46] <pleia2> \o/
[07:48] <valorie> nice!
[07:52] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/members.ods if you want to have a play with the data
[07:56] <pleia2> AlanBell: post to the list as a followup to highvoltage's email re: 5%?
[07:57]  * AlanBell goes to read his email
[08:04] <pleia2> :)
[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:51] <highvoltage> AlanBell: nice, almost there
[08:55]  * switchgirl sent http://paste.ubuntu.com/387481/ to a cathlic adoption agency that is geting the law changed so they can reject gay couples
[08:58] <valorie> switchgirl: can we take this into the other U-W channel please?
[09:13] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/387488/ why wont grub upgrade
[09:13] <switchgirl> ?
[09:13] <switchgirl> :(
[09:19] <AlanBell> try without the ipod plugged in
[09:24] <switchgirl> AlanBell, i unplugged it
[09:27] <AlanBell> not sure that is the issue, just I see it trying to install to all partitions and one of them is the ipod. You will probably find more awake people in -uk at this time.
[15:30] <akgraner> hey all  - I finish the email to the list in just a few - I don't think I mentioned it to many people but my mom is undergoing radiation treatments for breast cancer and she is now having some pretty painful side effects so after the meeting yesterday, I spent some time with her as it was not an easy evening for her...  just wanted you all to know
[15:33] <czajkowski> akgraner: *hugs*
[15:33] <czajkowski> akgraner: if you wanna skype later on you know where I am
[15:34] <akgraner> czajkowski, thanks  - I appreciate that :-)
[15:35] <Mamarok> akgraner: *hugs*, all my wishes
[15:37] <akgraner> Mamarok, thanks!
[15:37] <akgraner> I just didn't want you all to think I was slacking...  :-)
[15:37] <Mamarok> akgraner: no problem :)
[15:38] <czajkowski> akgraner: hardly, this is you! chill :)
[22:42] <pleia2> started team report stuffs for feb here: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage
[22:42] <pleia2> as always, add things I forgot :)
[22:42] <pleia2> I'll post them to the main team reports page on saturdayish
[22:43] <czajkowski> just poked my loco
[22:43] <czajkowski> :)
[22:43] <czajkowski> we've a member who has taken on the role
[22:43] <pleia2> nhandler's reminder emails ftw
[22:43] <czajkowski> :)
[22:44] <nhandler> :)
[22:44] <nhandler> I'm thinking about setting up an automated reminder system for stuff like team reports and meetings. I think it could come in handy
[22:44] <rww> nhandler sends out reminder emails?
[22:44] <rww> I want reminder emails!
[22:44] <pleia2> rww: yeah, to the loco contacts list
[22:45] <czajkowski> nhandler: you rock
[22:45] <rww> ah. I should probably get on that. I'm not a LoCo contact, but I'm informally in charge of poking LoCo people about team reports...
[22:45] <pleia2> yeah, I've never been a loco contact either
[22:45] <pleia2> probably a poorly named list tbh :)
[22:46] <nhandler> rww: The list is pretty low volume, but it has lots of useful info sent to it


[00:01] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[00:01] <Daekdroom> Rhythmbox refuses to place some songs in the library.
[00:01] <Daekdroom> As if they didn't exist as files.
[00:09] <cjohnston> is anyone else experiencing a problem similar to bug #725352
[00:12] <Daekdroom> cjohnston, I have the impression that pretty much everyone is facing that.
[00:13] <Daekdroom> and that bug report is probably going to be marked as a duplicated
[00:13] <Daekdroom> Well.
[00:14] <Daekdroom> As I've seen that happen, it still worked sometimes, and then the windowmanager crashed
[00:18] <cjohnston> I'm still also only being offered a partial upgrade :-(
[04:14] <leftyfb> I just installed alpha2 and did all the updates within a Virtualbox. I have 3d acceleration enabled and guest additions installed. How do I enable the Unity interface?
[05:25] <DanaG> Say, is magic trackpad supposed to still not do scrolling out-of-the-box?
[05:31] <DanaG> And how do I get somebody to actually look at this bug, that is NOT a duplicate of the bug it's marked a duplicate of?
[05:31] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/546697
[05:31] <DanaG> Notice the difference in topic.
[05:31] <DanaG> er, subject.
[05:31] <DanaG> er, meant to ask some of that in #ubuntu-x
[05:41] <coz_> ooo is nvidia fixed now?
[06:03] <DanaG> well, that was weird... somehow, I ended up with gdk-pixbuf missing.
[06:03] <DanaG> And then all sorts of stuff broke.
[06:03] <DanaG> (gtk-update-icon-cache:3398): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[07:28] <Machtin> sweet.. nvidia's working.
[08:51] <Goldhamster> ist einer da der mir auf deutsch antworten kann weil mein engl. ist ...
[08:52] <Goldhamster> meine frage ich bekomme natty nicht inst. ich weiss es ist alpha
[09:12] <Goldhamster> dvd sagt mir kernelmodul kann nicht geladen werden usw
[09:13] <Goldhamster> die cd läuft bis sie die den partition manager laden will da hängt sie sich auf
[09:31] <bazhang> !de | Goldhamster
[09:33] <Goldhamster> da bin ich immer und da habe ich den #.... bekommen
[09:33] <Goldhamster> es hätte ja sein können
[09:42] <Goldhamster> I am able natty not instalieren
[09:42] <Goldhamster> with dvd he says to me cannot find kernelmodul
[09:42] <Goldhamster> with alternate cd he hangs himself with partion
[11:38] <coz_> hey guys
[11:59] <zfe> hello
[11:59] <bazhang> its alpha2
[12:00] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha2
[12:36] <kenta> hey. I'm having a issue with networking after dist-upgrade.
[12:36] <kenta> eth0 looks completely dead.
[12:37] <kenta> on both my test machines running 11.04
[12:40] <zniavre> questions about unity-2d must posted in #ayatana or here is a good place ?
[13:17] <marti> Hi there, I thought I've had an issue with Wayland, yet according to the operator of #ubuntu-nl Xorg is still used in the daily build of Natty 02/23/11
[13:18] <marti> I made a photo using my cellphone and I wonder if that photo is usable information.
[13:22] <marti> This is what my screen looks like: http://img11.imageshack.us/i/foto0005kh.jpg/
[13:22] <bazhang> !find wayland
[13:22] <bazhang> !info wayland
[13:24] <marti> The GPU is a Nvidia 7000M and I have the idea that the proprietary Nvidia driver is loaded.
[13:30] <yofel> bazhang: wayland is in the archive, but we don't actually use it
[13:31] <yofel> marti: did you install the proprietary driver?
[13:32] <bazhang> yofel, yep, just curious if it was in repos I should have /msg'd ubottu
[13:32] <yofel> ^^
[13:33] <zniavre> do we hav to add Driver "wayland" to xorg.conf to try wayland xserver?
[13:34] <rumpe1> zniavre, don't think that wayland needs xorg.conf...
[13:34] <yofel> zniavre: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032578.html - I don't know more than that
[13:36] <zniavre> ho thank you
[13:37] <zniavre> rumpe1, that s true ...   ^^
[13:40] <zniavre> failed to create display:connection refused ...  no luck with wayland
[14:18] <ginn> hi
[14:18] <ginn> any one here?
[14:19] <bazhang> yes
[14:21] <ginn> some times the title bar is not drawn right. The windows have a blue title bar but some times it is drawn partially blue and I see a few white lines in the title bar.
[14:21] <marti> Yofel: I booted Natty (daily build 02/23/11) from a USB thumb drive. Did not install *anything* manually
[14:21] <ginn> is this a a driver problem?
[14:22] <bazhang> ginn, with your ppa kernel? are you running natty even?
[14:22] <ginn> or in xchat, pieces of text messages are not readable. I can only see parts of a message. If I hight light the message, the whole message appears
[14:22] <ginn> bazhang, 10.10 with ppa kernel
[14:23] <ginn> bazhang, I think I have seen this problem before even with the original kernel
[14:23] <bazhang> ginn, support for ubuntu natty is here, your ppa kernel is your own issue
[14:23] <ginn> I am using an i3 cpu with Intel HD gfx
[14:23] <ginn> bazhang, isn't my kernel part of Natty?
[14:23] <bazhang> ginn, the ppa one? no
[14:23] <ginn> bazhang, but in general, what could be the cause?
[14:24] <bazhang> ginn, contact the maintainers of the ppa I suppose
[14:26] <ginn> isn't Natty even in beta state yet?
[14:27] <bazhang> alpha2
[14:29] <ginn> is it possible to upgrade to Natty without installing the unity interface?
[14:29] <ginn> oh wait, I like the new gnome idea :(
[14:29] <ginn> I won't be upgrading
[14:31] <ginn> it is so 90's
[14:44] <ginn> is it possible to use gnome 2.x with natty?
[14:51] <ginn> !upgrade
[15:00] <ginn> gnome 3 is still in alpha state
[15:00] <ginn> why does it come with natty?
[15:01] <arand> ginn: you can always login with a different manager
[15:02] <ginn> arand, how well does gnome3 run in Natty?
[15:02] <arand> ginn: dunno, reasonably I guess, it isn't the default...
[15:19] <bjsnider> ginn, natty is also in an alpha state
[15:20] <ginn> bjsnider, problem is gnome 3 will be released in April. will there be enough time to test gnome 3 on natty before the stable release date of Natty?
[15:20] <bjsnider> natty will also be released in april
[15:34] <Daekdroom> ginn, as far as I know natty isn't using gnome 3
[15:34] <Daekdroom> You have to install a PPA for it
[15:39] <alex_mayorga> Anyone familiar with the Banshee news?
[15:41] <dmb_> kenta: i am having same issues
[15:41] <dmb_> had to bring up my network manually
[15:41] <dmb_> repos are in bad shape right now
[15:41] <dmb_> it seems
[15:41] <dmb_> my ubuntu-desktop + unity + couple other things got removed in dist-upgrade
[16:21] <kenta> anyone else loose eth0 after dist-update?
[16:22] <kenta> lost it on both my test machines
[16:22] <yofel> kenta: which version of isc-dhcp-client do you have installed?
[16:22] <kenta> let me check
[16:27] <kenta> 4.1.1-p1
[16:29] <yofel> should be 4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu5
[16:29] <kenta> i got *15ubuntu4
[16:30] <yofel> yeah, that's broken, you'll notice that /sbin/dhclient is missing. Either update by copying the .deb from a working system after downloading it, or set up the network without DHCP to update
[16:31] <kenta> thanks. I'll try that
[16:32] <yofel> if you decide to download it, you'll need both -client and -commont ubuntu4
[16:32] <yofel> errr... ubuntu5
[16:32] <yofel> *-common, not -commont
[16:33] <kenta> I'll try to setup eth0 manually again then apt-get update
[16:33] <yofel> that'll be faster, true
[16:33] <kenta> I'll go test. brb i hope.
[16:36] <ginn> hi
[16:36] <ginn> I am trying to install gnome3-session but got this
[16:36] <ginn> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:36] <ginn>  gnome3-session : Depends: gnome-shell but it is not going to be installed
[16:37] <ginn> it seems the package gir1.2-upowerglib-1.0 is missing
[16:37] <dmb_> kenta: yes, i did, read above :)
[16:43] <yofel> ginn: iirc the gnome3 bits in the archive aren't installable, there's a PPA with updated gnome3 packages
[16:43] <ginn> yofel, what is the name of the ppa?
[16:44] <yofel> should be https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 I think
[16:46] <ginn> yofel, that is the repo I am using
[16:48] <yofel> ah, then contact the maintainers and get them to fix it
[16:56] <kenta> thanks guys. worked like a charm.
[16:56] <kenta> :)
[17:00] <dmb_> yes, it seems the mirror I use (ubuntu.mit) seems to have outdated packages
[17:00] <dmb_> the other US mirror is too slow :/
[17:01] <dmb_> anyone know of a fast US mirror?
[17:01] <dmb_> that is up to date with the prerelease stuff?
[17:03] <Q-FUNK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572710/
[17:03] <Q-FUNK> I seem to be having a really weird issue (see pastebin above) but I'm not sure what causes it and therefore which package gets the bug report.  Any idea?
[17:03] <dmb_> is that french?
[17:04] <yofel> dmb_: choose one https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[17:05] <dmb_> yofel: ah, thanks, very useful
[17:05] <dmb_> mit is only a day behind
[17:05] <dmb_> feels a lot longer because everything is broken :)
[17:13] <kenta> hi again
[17:13] <kenta> isc-dhcp-client is still 4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu4
[17:14] <kenta> do i need to install it manually?
[17:14] <kenta> 4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu5
[18:10] <high-rez> Should btrfs still be terribly slow in natty ?
[18:14] <coz_> hey guys
[18:22] <ChogyDan> anyone know how to tell then 2.6.38 of linux will be released?
[18:24] <high-rez> Checking kernel.org ?
[18:24] <ChogyDan> oops, I meant when not then
[18:25] <ChogyDan> high-rez: so it says it isn't out yet, but I don't see much in the way of a schedule
[18:28] <penguin42> I don't think there is a schedule as such; but it's upto about rc6 so far and if you look at the stats the average time between kernel releases is relatively constant
[18:55] <charlie-tca> high-rez: bug 601299
[18:56] <high-rez> I thought it had been fixed in .37 :/
[18:59] <Crashbit> mm oh! I have a bug 723482
[19:50] <penguin42> does anyone have kpackagekit ever do upgrades and work?
[19:52]  * yofel never tried - or do you mean simple package updates?
[19:52] <yofel> there was a bug with packagekit and postint scripts failing randomly, but that was fixed
[19:53] <penguin42> hmm this is a postinst failure during an upgrade - I haven't upgraded since last weekend and it hung on a postinst trying to write to stderr
[19:54] <penguin42> yofel: I try it every few weeks and almost invariably end up with an apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:55] <yofel> I seriously never tried it, only GUI I use if ever is Muon
[19:55] <penguin42> yofel: The gnome update-manager works fine >99% of the time, for all the 'oh there are updates - do it'
[19:56] <yofel> yeah, I did use kpackagekit once in maverick, but that was long after release, never on an alpha
[20:46] <mnaines> When is Ubuntu 11.04 due out?  April?
[20:46] <yofel> mnaines: see schedule in the topic
[21:08] <magicianlord> what is the color theme for 11
[21:08] <ikonia> magicianlord: have a look at the development pages for info on things like themes
[21:08] <ikonia> there are also some good threads on forum
[21:08] <magicianlord> that's hard to find
[21:09] <Machtin> might it be that the now working nvidia-driver kinda blows?
[21:10] <magicianlord> the free one?
[21:10] <Machtin> nope, nvidia-current
[21:10] <yofel> works fine here
[21:10] <magicianlord> why would it blow
[21:11] <magicianlord> are you using a high end card
[21:11] <Machtin> well, it does work.. just seems to be slower and more glitchy than nouveau
[21:11] <magicianlord> you should only use basic cards
[21:11] <Machtin> GTX260, wouldn't call it high end
[21:11] <magicianlord> anything above 7x series is high end with ubuntu
[21:11] <magicianlord> i'd stick with 6x or 7x
[21:11] <Machtin> i see.
[21:11] <yofel> it does feel a bit slower than nouveau here - but it's always been like that I think
[21:12] <Machtin> okay, odd
[21:12] <magicianlord> i dont know man. i mean i just dont see the point of a high end gpu with linux
[21:12] <magicianlord> suit yourself
[21:12] <Machtin> magicianlord: dual boot system :)
[21:12] <Machtin> i play stuff from time to time.
[21:12] <yofel> magicianlord: 6x and 7x are barely even supported anymore - and there are playable linux games too, but dual boot would be the Nr.1 reason I guess
[21:12] <magicianlord> do you have a psp?
[21:13] <yofel> *supported by nvidia-current
[21:13] <magicianlord> yofel: i use it on integrated 6100
[21:13] <magicianlord> no problems there
[21:13] <Machtin> magicianlord: psp aka playstation portable?
[21:13] <Machtin> if yes: no
[21:14] <magicianlord> 3yes
[21:15] <yofel> my cards work fine too, it's just that nvidias driver always feels a tad slower than nouveau - nouveau can't compare when it comes to the supported features though
[21:15] <magicianlord> i am starting an rpg ocllection for it, with xseeds bringing falcom gameso ver to the us
[21:15] <magicianlord> and i noticed that hte construction on the 3000 psp model is cheaper than the 1000
[21:15] <magicianlord> so i cried, but then. i keep using 1000 :)
[21:24] <high-rez> *blink* more glitchy than nouveau?  huh?
[21:25] <magicianlord> nouveau flickers with integrated gpu
[21:25] <magicianlord> i noticed this
[21:27] <high-rez> nouveau doesn't even work with my card.  just corrupted display, locked machine, etc.  i hace to blacklist it just to install.  I think its a poor decision to make it default this early in its development.
[21:28] <yofel> nouveau works for me - but I get frequent GPU lockups on my notbook, known issue
[21:28] <yofel> *notebook
[21:28] <high-rez> geforce gt 240 here.
[21:29] <yofel> my geforce 250GTS works fine, my quadro NVS 3100M does not
[21:30] <yofel> they should at least disable hardware acceleration in nouveau, that's what gives me the GPU lockups
[21:31] <magicianlord> yofel: is nouveau acceleration default in 11.04 now?
[21:32] <magicianlord> are you related to yuffie bunny?
[21:32] <yofel> it's on by default for some cards, you can install another package which gives it support for more cards
[21:32] <yofel> no
[21:33] <magicianlord> so it will be on for geforc 6100 or 7300?
[21:33] <yofel> I don't know that
[21:33]  * magicianlord cries
[23:23] <ginn> "The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer. Please contact the person or organisation who provided this package file and include the details beneath."
[23:23] <ginn> what is this? got that error when trying to install Dropbox
[23:23] <ginn> bazhang, do you know anything about it?
[23:24] <yofel> what are the details included beneath?
[23:24] <ginn> Lintian check results for /tmp/nautilus-dropbox_0.6.7_i386.deb:
[23:24] <ginn> E: nautilus-dropbox: copyright-contains-dh_make-todo-boilerplate
[23:24] <ginn> W: nautilus-dropbox: killall-is-dangerous postinst:139
[23:24] <ginn> W: nautilus-dropbox: maintainer-script-ignores-errors postrm
[23:24] <ginn> E: nautilus-dropbox: pkg-has-shlibs-control-file-but-no-actual-shared-libs
[23:24] <ginn> W: nautilus-dropbox: postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig
[23:24] <ginn> W: nautilus-dropbox: postrm-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig
[23:25] <yofel> huh? they made it do lintian checks at install time?
[23:25] <ginn> yofel, so it seems
[23:26] <ginn> ay way to override it
[23:26] <ginn> ?
[23:26] <joaopinto> I hope that is just for alpha
[23:26] <yofel> well, the first 2 Ws should probably be fixed, the E errors are packaging internal and go against the policy I think but shouldn't break anything, and the other 2 Ws are probably harmless
[23:27] <yofel> ginn: what application fails?
[23:28] <ginn> yofel, one. I was trying to install it
[23:28] <ginn> none*
[23:29] <yofel> ginn: install it using what app?
[23:29] <yofel> dpkg, gdebi, SC, ...?
[23:29] <ginn> yofel, Ubuntu Software Center
[23:30] <yofel> I'm clueless then, use dpkg -i /tmp/nautilus-dropbox_0.6.7_i386.deb in a terminal as workaround I guess
[23:30] <ginn> yofel, install successful using dpkg
[23:31] <charlie-tca> file a bug using ubuntu-bug software-center
[23:31] <ginn> charlie-tca, how do I file a bug? what website?
[23:32] <ginn> I have never done it before
[23:32] <charlie-tca> you open a terminal and type "ubuntu-bug software-center" without the quotes
[23:32] <joaopinto> there is a bug already for that
[23:32] <joaopinto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/712377
[23:33] <charlie-tca> never mind, then
[23:33] <joaopinto> the question is wether it's a real bug, or an intended feature
[23:33] <charlie-tca> You can install the same apps without software center, that is bug
[23:34] <ginn> there should be a override button
[23:35] <joaopinto> The ""The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed." does not seem a bug to me
[23:35] <joaopinto> someone added lintian support to software center for this :)
[23:35] <yofel> can someone add the software center version this happens in to the bug please?
[23:36] <ginn> I don't have an account
[23:36] <ginn> is it free to create one?
[23:36] <joaopinto> yes


[14:47] <YamakasY1> hi guys
[14:48] <YamakasY1> anyone a solution for this line being removed after a ubuntu preseed ? /bin/sed -i '1isource /etc/network/interfaces.d/*.conf\n' /etc/network/interfaces


[12:22] <JRSS> hello! I recently installed 12.04 on my chromebook and I could use some help.
[12:22] <JRSS> I am having a couple of issues, it seems as if it didn't install fully.
[12:23] <k1l_> there is something like chrubuntu for the chromebooks.
[12:25] <JRSS> can try it... seems pretty empty.


[07:21] <chromebittin> morning
[07:57] <tjaalton> could someone explain to me how the gnome packages regenerate d/control from control.in? I'm too blind to see where it's created :)
[07:58] <tjaalton> I need something similar for mesa, and am searching for examples
[10:17] <tjaalton> nevermind, resolved now
[13:07] <jbicha> tjaalton: I run dh_gnome_clean
[13:08] <jbicha> I'm skeptical whether the GNOME team's debian/control.in is worth the complexity. It introduces bugs occasionally when it's forgotten to update the correct files. And it's one extra thing for newcomers to learn & remember
[13:17] <tjaalton> ahh, okay
[13:24] <ricotz> tjaalton, probably a bit complex https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/tree/rules#n1830


[00:43] <swidowski> can anyone suggest a good tutorial for how to start looking into bugs any specific struction they use?
[00:43] <swidowski> *structure
[00:45] <IntuitiveNipple> It depends on the type of bug, what kind of code it is in, and so on.
[00:45] <IntuitiveNipple> debugging shell scripts is totally different to debugging C applications, or the kernel, or an interpreted language
[00:48] <joumetal> maybe wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[00:50] <swidowski> for example on that page it talks about ensuring that new bugs have all necessary information.  How would I deal with a task like that.
[00:51] <swidowski> what info should a bug report include.  If the bug report doesn't include it then what would i do
[01:00] <joumetal> it depends on package. for example xorg related bugs need /var/log/Xorg.conf and lspci -nn |grep VGA.
[01:03] <joumetal> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090205 has instructions for update-manager.
[01:04] <joumetal> if you have some specific bug in mind you can ask.
[01:11] <charlie-tca> Don't forget DebuggingProcedures. They normally tell which logs the developer wants for that issue.
[01:17] <swidowski> thanks
[03:13] <cwill747> I believe the bug 326431 should be set to 'wishlist' as it is a suggestion for a ubuntu feature and not a problem. thanks
[05:10] <saivann> asac : Any news about bug 324635?
[05:23] <saivann> bdmurray : ping
[14:32] <cwill747> window shrink
[14:32] <cwill747> oop, sorry
[22:04] <afflux> hacktick: arrr you converted the error 17 bug like 10 seconds faster than me ;)
[22:09] <hacktick> afflux: okay. that happened once to me too, and the other guys response was nicer than mine, so I was a bit ashamed :D
[22:10] <hacktick> afflux: I youst hope he doesnt answer, those types of questions are extremely complicated to solve :)
[22:11] <afflux> hacktick: indeed. Though I've never seen reporters like this one responding after converting their bugs to questions.
[22:12] <afflux> hacktick: I was lucky, LP prevented me from embarassing by telling me that the bug was already converted.
[22:15] <hacktick> okay, bye
[22:33] <andresmujica> bug #325688
[22:34] <andresmujica> just a test.. we're holding a pre GBJ session at ubuntu-co


[14:37] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +10126 cases (now 1.4 million), +215 deaths (now 23613) since a day ago


[10:57] <estan> hi all. i'm building custom kernels following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild#Kernel_Build_and_Installation since i'm bisecting to debug a problem we're having. i was just wondering, how can i make `make deb-pkg` produce a linux-modules-*.deb as well?
[10:57] <estan> currently it produces only linux-image-*.deb and linux-headers-*.deb
[10:57] <estan> i.e. i'd like to end up with the same set of debs like the mainline builds at https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[11:18] <tomreyn> estan: looking at https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.3.13/ (one of the kernel versions you told us in #ubuntu is a target for bisecting), there is 0001-base-packaging.patch (first link), which separates modules into the separate package (amongst many other things).
[11:26] <estan> tomreyn: oh i see. thanks.
[11:32] <estan> can also confirm that the linux-image-*.deb package i got has the modules. so all good.


[02:51] <matt___> how much space is required for lubuntu
[03:28] <AcerLaptopUser> hello
[09:20] <lowriter> libreoffice writer crashes with Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:23:18: not a number
[09:26] <leszek> lowriter: tried choosing a different gtk theme?
[09:26] <leszek> does it fix the crash. If not then the "warning" is not the cause for the crash
[09:34] <Lucky__> hi
[09:34] <Lucky__> hi
[09:36] <lowriter> leszek: i changed the theme and it still crashes. I'm using Lubuntu
[09:36] <lucky-rahat> hi
[09:37] <lucky-rahat> i want to install server lubuntu
[09:37] <lucky-rahat> lubuntu on server machine hardware
[09:38] <lucky-rahat> exit
[09:38] <lowriter> leszek: the not so funny thing is everything works(Calc, draw, math) except for writer
[09:49] <leszek> uff then even more I doubt that it is a theming issue. So the warning has nothing to do with it
[09:49] <leszek> lowriter: have you checked the live system already? Does it work there?
[09:50] <lowriter> leszek: it does not come with the live system. the live system had abiword only and even that was flickering when it opens
[09:50] <lowriter> https://askubuntu.com/questions/808850/why-are-abiword-documents-flickering-since-the-upgrade-to-lubuntu-16
[09:51] <leszek> you know you can install lo on the live system aswell to see. You can also try removing all lo settings from your home folder to see if it works
[09:52] <lowriter> i'll try removing all lo settings in the home folder and see what happens
[10:04] <lowriter> leszek: writer is still crashing after removing the lo config in the home folder
[10:10] <lowriter> Adwaita theme keeps showing up in google searches.
[10:47] <leszek> lowriter: then like I said change the theme
[10:55] <lowriter> leszek: i changed the icon theme but no dice. I have the adwaita-icon-theme but that is not full . I'll install adwaita-icon-theme-full and see if it helps
[10:55] <leszek> hmm... good idea
[10:57] <lowriter> hmm, synaptic wants to remove lubuntu;-core, -default-sessions, -desktop...
[11:09] <leszek> not good
[11:25] <lowriter> leszek: LO->tools->Option->Advanced  disable 'use a java runtime environment' worked
[12:01] <leszek> oh interesting
[12:01] <leszek> so java is the culprit
[16:39] <murii_> Where do I have to put my alias in order to have it saved for the next session?
[17:06] <agaida> murii_: it depends on your used shell and your knowledge
[17:06] <murii_> agaida, bash.rc did the job
[17:07] <agaida> not the best of all ideas - in bashrc should be the lines:
[17:07] <agaida> if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then
[17:07] <agaida> . ~/.bash_aliases
[17:07] <agaida> fi
[17:07] <agaida> so i would suggest to place aliases in .bash_aliases
[18:26] <qswz> when is 17.10 coming out?
[18:27] <wxl> !artful | qswz
[18:27] <wxl> also:
[18:27] <wxl> !release
[18:28] <wxl> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule the official date is the 19th
[18:40] <qswz> wxl: thanks
[18:40] <wxl> np
[20:36] <pmatulis> i would like to swap my Esc and CapsLock keys. this is purported to work but does not: `setxkbmap -option caps:swapescape` . any idea? i'm on Xenial