[13:21] <DynamiteDan> Greetings. Is it possible to install the low latency kernels on a regular ubuntu distro?
[13:32] <tomreyn> DynamiteDan: what do you mean (and what do you not mean) by "regular ubuntu distro"
[13:32] <tomreyn> ?
[13:34] <tomreyn> if you're asking whether it is (A) possible or (B) supported to install low latecy kernels on other Ubuntu flavours then I'm pretty sure the answer is 'yes' to both.
[13:34] <oerheks> sure, in regular ubuntu you can install  linux-lowlatency-hwe-18.04
 linux-lowlatency-hwe-18.04 (source: linux-meta-hwe-5.4): Complete lowlatency Linux kernel. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.64~18.04.53 (bionic), package size 1 kB, installed size 13 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; armhf; arm64; ppc64el; s390x)
[13:35] <oerheks> or focal 20.04;  linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04 (source: linux-meta): Complete lowlatency Linux kernel. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.61 (focal), package size 1 kB, installed size 18 kB
[13:37] <DynamiteDan> thank you tomreyn and oerheks for your help
[13:50] <tomreyn> you're welcome


[09:49] <dexta> morning
[12:17] <shafox> I have accidentally deleted some of my file system folders including bin,boot . how can i recover all those without reinstalling again ? i am on lubuntu 12.04
[12:20] <zleap> how did the vUDS go ?
[12:20] <zleap> erm
[12:20] <zleap> can you copy over from a live cd
[12:20] <zleap> if you did this in te gui try looking in the rubbish bin
[12:21] <shafox> zleap: i did in the terminal using sudo i forced removed /* by the time i realize , bin and boot folder are gone now i am in live cd
[12:25] <Unit193> shafox: I'm going to say have fun re-installing.
[12:26] <shafox> Unit193: yeah that was my first clue
[12:26] <shafox> sad though
[12:28] <Unit193> Why'd you do that?
[12:32] <zleap> i am not 100 percent sure then sorry
[12:32] <Unit193> In theory bin just has what the system needs, and boot has kernels and such.  If you copy over, you could run debsums and make sure that's really all it deleted.
[12:40] <shafox> Unit193: how to do that ??
[13:23] <ABoudhar> I want to know if an old computer with 500Mhz processor and 128 Mb RAM with 10 Gb of hard-disk would run lubuntu with a music player and a text editor(vim or emacs or even minimalistic ones). Please if you get this on the log leave me your answer on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. Thanks.
[13:23] <ABoudhar> Hey tyn.
[14:13] <novato> hello everyone
[14:14] <novato> i have problems with flash drive in ltsp lubuntu 12.04
[14:14] <novato> any 1 can help me
[14:15] <SonikkuAmerica> It won't mount?
[14:16] <novato> yes
[14:16] <novato> that is the problem
[14:16] <novato> in client i mean
[14:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Client? What client?
[14:17] <novato> thin client
[14:18] <novato> I installed lubuntu 12.04 ltsp in a proxmox as server for thin client
[14:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Lubuntu 12.04 isn't an LTS btw
[14:18] <novato> but clients do not mount flash drives
[14:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Does it see that a flash drive is there? (Check in the /dev folder from PCManFM)
[14:20] <novato> let me check
[14:21] <SonikkuAmerica> If anything, [ lsusb ] might see something is there, but first... there's always the /dev folder.
[14:42] <novato> ok
[14:42] <novato> I installed autofs
[14:43] <novato> now i see the flash drive in /media/username/
[14:43] <novato> but nothing in desktop
[14:43] <novato> i don't now if autofs was the problem
[14:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Anything on the flash drive should be inside /media/username/whateverthenextfolderiscalled.
[14:45] <novato> but i want to see the flash drive in desktop
[14:45] <novato> how can i get this
[14:45] <novato> ??
[14:48] <SonikkuAmerica> You'll have to create a .desktop file that shows this folder.
[14:50] <novato> but if i do that whenever i put another flash i will not get the same effect
[14:51] <novato> when i installed ubuntu I got the flash drive icon in desktop every time
[14:52] <SonikkuAmerica> novato: Ubuntu with Unity?
[14:52] <novato> i want to do the same in lubuntu
[14:52] <SonikkuAmerica> novato: It doesn't work that way in LXDE unfortunately.
[14:52] <novato> oh ok
[14:53] <novato> but i don't want to change to ubuntu, lubuntu is better
[14:55] <SonikkuAmerica> novato: There's Xubuntu (which uses XFCE and is almost equally as lightweight), but I don't want to sell another flavor here.
[14:55] <novato> well I will create the . desktop to the folder username then i will tell user to look for flash drive there
[14:55] <SonikkuAmerica> novato: Hang on, gotta restart
[14:56] <novato> thanks for the knoledge
[14:59] <SonikkuAmerica> novato: I'm back
[15:00] <novato> oh okok
[15:00] <novato> thans man
[15:01] <novato> well what is unity
[15:01] <novato> i mean ubuntu and xubuntu use it
[15:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Xubuntu doesn't
[15:01] <SonikkuAmerica> !untiy
[15:01] <SonikkuAmerica> !unity Lemme try again
[15:01] <SonikkuAmerica> !unity | Lemme try again
[15:02] <SonikkuAmerica> !xfce | Xubuntu uses this
[15:02] <SonikkuAmerica> About 30% of LXDE is XFCE
[16:00] <n-iCe> hello
[16:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello!
[16:10] <n-iCe> llo
[21:38] <pmatulis_> hello
[21:38] <phillw> hi pmatulis_
[21:47] <zleap> hi
[21:48] <zleap> what do i click on in bugs.launchpad.net to actually report a new bug
[21:53] <Unit193> Generally more helpful to run  ubuntu-bug application-here  from the terminal.
[21:54] <Unit193> !bugs
[22:02] <zleap> hi
[22:03] <zleap> what is the website link for reporting bugs ?
[22:10] <phillw> zleap: the instructions are above ^^ You cannot just report 'this does not work'. The people who want to solve the issue need technical information, which Unit193 has provided you the link for.
[22:10] <zleap> ok thanks
[22:35] <MonkWitDaFunk> Hi #lubuntu, i have a 2012 hardwared laptop with windows 8 installed on memory. I would like to boot lubuntu from a usb memory. I have all my bios settings the way i want them to be and i tried out the boot options
[22:37] <MonkWitDaFunk> Lubuntu will not boot. I can boot it on another as well.
[22:39] <MonkWitDaFunk> Boot attached to another computer
[23:31] <slaptman> hello does anyone know if there is a way to install cheat engine (used for flashgames:Nothing illegal)
[23:43] <Unit193> !info gameconqueror


[01:36] <jpds> 01:32:17 < Psi-Jack> !ops WitBier and Hopsa == Known troll.
[01:36] <jpds> -server
[01:37] <jpds> Flannel: IT isn't that strange actually.
[06:45] <bazhang> !idle | kron|k
[09:02] <ikonia> !ops | kron|k again idle in the channel without being active
[09:03] <ikonia> I'll look for whatever is forwarding him here and turn it to a straight ban
[09:06] <IdleOne> ikonia: I changed it to a straight ban
[09:06] <ikonia> thank you
[09:06] <ikonia> was there a forward that got removed ?
[09:07] <IdleOne> Can someone please remove kron|k until he is ready to be return and discuss his ban
[09:07] <IdleOne> ikonia: yes I removed the forward
[09:07] <ikonia> cool
[09:16] <Mamarok> he is apparently idling since 16+ hours
[09:17] <persia> But has only been here for ~10 hours: there was some cycle that caused the forward to redirect here.
[09:19] <Mamarok> still way too long IMHO
[09:20] <Mamarok> wow, 17 minutes since ops call...
[09:20] <ikonia> please remove him
[09:20] <ikonia> persia: do you see Seeker`'s point from yesterday 17 minutes since an op call
[09:21] <Mamarok> apparently no ops active, and all teh active ones aren't ops here
[09:21] <persia> I'd be more convinced if we had any supplicants needing handling in the meantime.
[09:21] <ikonia> persia: really ?
[09:21] <ikonia> so if a user is doing
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <persia> But as I said yesterday, I'm not opposed to more ops here, if there is a need for more coverage.
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <Mamarok> ikonia: you will get banned :)
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <IdleOne> doesn't look like it
[09:22] <ikonia> aa
[09:22] <ikonia> as often happens
[09:22] <ikonia> I won't
[09:22] <ikonia> no-one is here
[09:22] <Mamarok> 20 minutes since op call...
[09:22] <ikonia> it's not urgent as the guy is doing no harm, however it does highlight Seeker`'s point
[09:22] <Mamarok> yep
[09:23] <persia> But since we don't have any misbehaving users (except ikonia who is failing to provoke me, and on-topic with the pointless traffic, amusingly), and we don't have any business with which we'd prefer not to be interrupted, I'm just not sure how it matters.
[09:23] <ikonia> persia: I'm not trying to provoke you
[09:23] <persia> I agree that we've exposed a lack of coverage.  I'm just not sure that it doesn't happen to be OK this time.
[09:24] <ikonia> it's not an issue at this time
[09:24] <Mamarok> no, I don't see why there is no op reaction after a call, that's the point
[09:24] <ikonia> there is no issue
[09:24] <Mamarok> urgent or not
[09:24] <persia> Oh.  I thought you wanted me to interrupt your
[09:24] <persia> a
[09:24] <persia> a
[09:24] <persia> a
[09:24] <ikonia> however I called the ops and no-one responded to it
[09:24] <persia> ...
[09:24] <ikonia> if that HAD have been an issue, it would still be going on
[09:24] <persia> Agreed.
[09:24] <Mamarok> likely
[09:24] <Mamarok> 22 minutes...
[09:25] <ikonia> I think we get the point, I'll stop the clock
[09:25] <IdleOne> there is an issue, the issue is there is a no idling policy in this channel if we let this user idle then we may as well let everybody.
[09:25] <persia> can't.  We all have logs of the op call.
[09:25] <Mamarok> IdleOne: +1
[09:25] <ikonia> IdleOne: agreed, however it's actually causing an "issue"
[09:26] <persia> 23 minutes is perhaps slow, but not extremely so, given regular levels of noise in the channel.
[09:26] <Mamarok> topyli: thank you :)
[09:26] <IdleOne> thanks topyli
[09:31] <NuclearStr1der> I've been banned on #ubuntu , but I have no idea why. I haven't even used FreeNode before today.
[09:34] <Mamarok> @login
[09:34] <Mamarok> @btlogin
[09:38] <Mamarok> I don't see any bans, are you sure?
[09:38] <IdleOne> Mamarok: 27482
[09:38] <Mamarok> hm
[09:38] <IdleOne> the ban seems to be a little to wide
[09:39] <ikonia> time to remove that probably
[09:39] <ikonia> it's quite old
[09:39] <Mamarok> apparently yes
[09:39] <IdleOne> yeah
[09:39] <IdleOne> you got it?
[09:39] <ikonia> however there are ISP's that are used for serious issues/attacks
[09:39] <ikonia> maybe worth checking it's not one of them
[09:39] <IdleOne> or shall I
[09:39] <ikonia> just doing a little research first
[09:39] <IdleOne> k
[09:42] <persia> I'm not sure that NuclearStr1der ever understood that the query was being investigated
[09:43] <IdleOne> ikonia: search padza in BT
[09:43] <IdleOne> also padxa
[09:43] <IdleOne> many many ban evasions
[09:52] <bazhang> the link dilberto posted is quite offensive
[09:52] <elky> persia, someone will contact him when a resolution is made
[09:52] <bazhang> also his quit message
[09:58] <persia> Ah cool.  I'm glad procedure covers that.
[09:59] <bazhang> this is the gnaa troll quit message: Haiti=Mierda
[10:00] <elky> bazhang, dilberto?
[10:00] <bazhang> elky, yes
[10:01] <topyli> i have it in pm, he claims he doesn't know how to set a quit message
[10:01] <bazhang> guess we have to wait til he quits again to ban forward here
[10:02] <topyli> makes you wonder how he set it in the first place
[10:02] <bazhang> he's lying
[10:03] <topyli> of course
[10:06] <MichealH> Hello?
[10:06] <bazhang> MichealH, hi
[10:07] <bazhang> MichealH, something you needed help with?
[10:09] <MichealH> There was something last night
[10:10] <MichealH> I came in here
[10:10] <bazhang> MichealH, right, -youth?
[10:10] <MichealH> Yes
[10:10] <bazhang> MichealH, wrong channel. try #ubuntu-irc
[10:10] <MichealH> kay
[10:11] <MichealH> Thanks fro the help
[10:11] <bazhang> MichealH, welcome
[10:13] <bazhang> * [ramnepal] (~prabinmet@<IP_ADDRESS>): prabinmetals  how can he get past that ban every time?
[10:14] <bazhang> *prabinmet*!*@*
[10:21] <elky> because you're puting "prabinmet" in the wrong place?
[10:23] <bazhang> *!*prabinmet@*  and *prabinmet!* are two other examples I see in the ban list
[10:26] <elky> find a staffer then I guess
[10:26] <bazhang> well both seem to be in use, just experiment I guess
[13:40]  * marienz isn't sure what to make of seekalana
[13:41] <Seeker`> no idea
[13:41] <Seeker`> as far as I can work out, they were silent for ages, then just went pop
[14:28] <ikonia> hello MichealH
[14:28] <MichealH> Hi
[14:28] <ikonia> how can we help you ?
[14:28] <MichealH> I am not too sure about asking in IRC personally
[14:29] <ikonia> asking what ?
[14:29] <bazhang> MichealH, about -youth?
[14:29] <MichealH> here are people who were involved last night in there and I dont want them to know
[14:29] <MichealH> *there
[14:29] <MichealH> bazhang: Yes
[14:29] <ikonia> am I missing something ?
[14:29] <bazhang> MichealH, its #ubuntu-irc not here.
[14:29] <bazhang> ikonia, he has the wrong channel
[14:29] <ikonia> you told him that earlier though didn't you ?
[14:30] <bazhang> MichealH, I told you this earlier. this channel has nothing to do with that
[14:30] <MichealH> Its just there are people in there who I dont want to know
[14:30] <bazhang> MichealH, #ubuntu-irc please, not here
[14:30] <MichealH> Can it be done via PM in there?
[14:30] <bazhang> MichealH, up to you.
[14:30] <Seeker`> MichealH: who do you not wish to talk to?
[14:30] <ikonia> MichealH: talk in the channel, once an operator responds, ask them to talk in a pm
[14:30] <MichealH> Okay Thanks
[14:31] <MichealH> Seeker`: The people involved... I dont want them to see
[14:31] <Seeker`> Well, they are the ops of -youth?
[14:31] <MichealH> Yes
[14:31] <bazhang> ikonia, yes, he's been told 3 times now
[14:31] <MichealH> I will be going now
[14:31] <Seeker`> they kinda have to be involved if you are looking towards being unbanned
[14:31] <MichealH> Thanks anyway
[14:32] <Seeker`> how does he think he will be unbanned without the -youth ops knowing?
[14:32] <bazhang> no idea
[14:32] <bazhang> -irc is where things are worked out though, not here.
[14:43] <ikonia> oooo jungli ?
[14:56] <bazhang> ikonia, looked like it was jungli
[14:56] <ikonia> it did to me
[14:57] <marienz> oh dear
[14:57] <marienz> where?
[14:57] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[14:57] <ikonia> but not %100
[14:57] <marienz> nick?
[14:57] <jussi> marienz: could I have a momant of your time?
[14:57] <ikonia> oooo
[14:57] <elky> wait, the guy who started -youth is now banned from it?
[14:57] <ikonia> that doesn't make sense
[14:58] <marienz> jussi: sure
[14:58] <bazhang> seems tyrannical but not our issue
[14:58] <jussi> I thought lhavelund started -youth...
[14:58] <ikonia> this looks a tricky situation
[14:58] <ikonia> jussi: acctually, you're right,
[14:59] <jussi> michealh isnt a bad guy, just a youngun. (12 or so last time I remember him saying)
[14:59] <ikonia> I don't think (from what I'm reading) anyone is saying he's a bad guy, but he won't follow instruction
[15:00] <ikonia> which no matter what his age is, if it causes a disruption to the channel will end in tears
[15:01] <Seeker`> sounds like someone from #kubuntu
[15:02] <Seeker`> cant remember the name though
[15:03] <bazhang> don't think its our issue
[15:03] <Seeker`> no, but will contiunute with bickering until it is sorted
[15:13] <ikonia> that's not good when an op is swearing at people
[15:13] <bazhang> indeed not
[15:14] <Seeker`> I wonder what the average age of op in -youth is
[15:15] <ikonia> not enough  I'm guessing
[15:16] <Seeker`> could probably do with some weighting towards the right side of 12
[15:18] <Seeker`> anyone else want to lend some thoughts in -irc?
[15:19] <bazhang> no
[15:19] <ikonia> Seeker`: just pondering
[15:19] <ikonia> I don't think the banning op is in a position to be able to ban people
[15:20] <ikonia> but clearly don't want to say that
[15:20] <Seeker`> I dont think he deserved a ban for what he did
[15:20] <Seeker`> sounds like he has been irritiating, but not actually done anything to warrant a ban
[15:21] <Seeker`> I reckon lift the ban in 48 hours, on the condition that michealH realises that he may not get assigned all of the projects he wants
[15:22] <bazhang> seems like their issue to resolve as none of us are ops in there
[15:22] <Seeker`> bazhang: yes, it is
[15:22] <Seeker`> but they are kids, and will just go on bickering from here to eternity
[15:22] <Seeker`> we are trying to guide them in a sensible direction
[15:30] <ikonia> if members are leaving due to this guy being in the channel, there is clearly more than meets the eye
[15:34] <Seeker`> -14:32:38- Seeker`: I haven't seen any examples of behaviour that would warrent people leaving the project
[15:35] <Seeker`> -14:32:55- zkriesse: Ok first ever meeting of the team.
[15:35] <Seeker`> -14:33:26- zkriesse: Micheal got mad as people were discussing his attitude and he starting kick banning people
[15:35] <ikonia> he's an op ???
[15:35] <Seeker`> he was, apparently
[15:35] <Seeker`> not for a while Ithink
[15:35] <bazhang> any reason to post that here?
[15:35] <ikonia> we where discussing it
[15:36] <Seeker`> so ikonia could see it, and any other op that may be interested
[15:36] <bazhang> didn't know that -youth was a core channel
[15:36] <ikonia> it's not, we are just discussing it
[15:36] <Seeker`> a) It isn't interrupting any ongoing discussion b) They are clearly struggling, some of us here have quite a lot of experience as ops, and want to try and help them
[15:37] <Tm_T> it's our duty to help them IMO
[15:37] <bazhang> sure. in -irc
[15:40] <bazhang> xzil0 wants instructions to break his machine?
[15:42] <Seeker`> buffre overflow isn't really "breaking"
[15:56] <bazhang>  Invalid target: ^^MoYzY^^  strange error when trying to remove that nick
[16:19] <ikonia> hi Gerry__
[16:22] <Gerry__> hi ikonia
[16:22] <ikonia> how can we help you
[16:22] <Gerry__> i just came in to thank you guys
[16:22] <ikonia> for what ?
[16:22] <Gerry__> for changing my life
[16:23] <bazhang> ?
[16:23] <ikonia> what are you talking about ?
[16:23] <Gerry__> i used to be a well known troll
[16:23] <Gerry__> but now i am a valued member of the dutch ubuntu community
[16:23] <ikonia> yes, we know fujisan
[16:23] <ikonia> do you need anything form us ?
[16:23] <ikonia> you are well known
[16:23] <ikonia> from
[16:23] <Gerry__> nope
[16:23] <Gerry__> may i leave no
[16:23] <Gerry__> w
[16:23] <Gerry__> :)
[16:23] <bazhang> yes
[16:23] <Gerry__> and have a nice day
[16:23] <Gerry__> bu bye :)
[17:30] <elky> O.... Kay...
[18:05] <Mamarok> hm, I have some difficulties to believe Gerry...
[18:05] <ikonia> no-one does
[18:06] <Mamarok> he has been trolling as Fujisan not so long ago in the KDE channels
[18:06] <Mamarok> and apparently is ban-evading, unless somebody lifted the ban on his presence in Freenode
[18:07] <ikonia> he was klined go knows how many times
[18:07] <Mamarok> yep
[18:07] <ikonia> he's got a perm ban in the ubuntu channels
[18:07] <Mamarok> ditto for the KDE ones AFAIK
[18:07] <ikonia> and he's certainly not a part of ubuntu-nl
[18:07] <Mamarok> and of course in #amarok, where he was stalking
[18:36] <Seeker`> Nece228: hi, how can we help you?
[18:37] <Nece228> Hi i want to talk with funkyHat, but as i see he's away
[18:45] <lhavelund> jussi: I did.
[18:51] <IdleOne> !idle | Nece228
[18:58] <Nece228> IdleOne: thats why i am here. Ill be back, now i need to make some apple juice
[19:39] <Nece228> Hi funkyHat, can i be unbanned?
[19:57] <ikonia> where are you banned ?
[19:58] <Nece228> ubuntu-offtopic
[19:58] <ikonia> I see lots of bans/kicks in the logs
[19:58] <ikonia> why are you constantly getting banned/kicked ?
[19:59] <ikonia> do you understand why you are getting kicked/banned all the time ?
[20:01] <ikonia> Nece228: hello ?
[20:01] <Nece228> yes i do
[20:01] <ikonia> ok - so why do you keep doing it ?
[20:01] <Nece228> i got two or three kicks in total, and one ban
[20:01] <ikonia> you have more kicks
[20:01] <ikonia> and it's not about the numbers - more the intent
[20:01] <Nece228> really?
[20:01] <ikonia> why do you keep doing it ?
[20:02] <Nece228> i was joking
[20:02] <ikonia> but you keep getting kicked for it and told to stop
[20:02] <ikonia> why do you keep "joking"
[20:02] <Nece228> but people accept my jokes as trolling
[20:02] <Nece228> its partially true
[20:02] <ikonia> ok - so why do you keep doing it
[20:03] <Nece228> ah, i actually never thought that those jokes can lead to ban, i mean i thinked i wont get ban because this message wont be very bad
[20:03] <ikonia> you've been kicked/warned enough time
[20:03] <ikonia> did that not give you a clue you're not welcome with those "jokes"
[20:04] <Nece228> you see, it was hard to understand all the kicks, because sometimes i even had no serious clue why i was kicked
[20:04] <ikonia> yet you've just told me you know/understand why you get kicked
[20:04] <ikonia> that's a direct contradiction
[20:04] <Nece228> now i understand
[20:04] <Nece228> in past i didnt
[20:04] <ikonia> after what
[20:05] <ikonia> what made you understand ?
[20:06] <Nece228> while ubuntu-offtopic is offtopic channel, but i still need to have all the rules in my mind
[20:06] <ikonia> this may seem a pointless discussion but I'm reading through the logs of your behaviour and I see nothing positive in it at all
[20:06] <ikonia> I see you adding no value to the channel or discussions, just making stupid comments to try to provoke people then getting kicked
[20:06] <ikonia> I don't see a reason to allow you to participate in that channel
[20:07] <Nece228> yes i understand that my comments were stupid and kinda provoked a kick
[20:07] <Nece228> and i apologise for that
[20:07] <ikonia> I'll leave the ban to funkyhat, but I see no reason to allow you back into the channel as you have a history of these comments, and I don't see a reason to waste the channels time with more of the same
[20:08] <Nece228> listen we all do foults until some serious problems happen, but after that lots of people are good
[20:08] <ikonia> yes, however you do a lot of these issues
[20:10] <Nece228> but i do regret
[20:10] <Nece228> come on :(
[20:10] <ikonia> you should have regretted a lot sooner
[20:11] <ikonia> I'll leave the ban to funkyHat - if it was more straight forward or more an obvious minor issue I'd remove it,
[20:11] <Nece228> when someone gets a ban, its definitely not a minor issue
[20:11] <ikonia> however as you have a history of persistantly being an issue in that channel and my view of the log is that you ad no value and just troll the channel with stupid comments, I won't act while funkyHat's not here
[20:12] <Nece228> ok
[20:12] <Nece228> funkyhat said he might unban me in this week ending
[20:12] <ikonia> yes, I've read the comment
[20:13] <Nece228> you read private messages?
[20:13] <ikonia> no, there is a note in our ban system saying the same thing
[20:14] <Nece228> oh
[20:14] <Nece228> funkyhat is still away :/
[20:15] <ikonia> yes, it looks that way
[20:36] <ikonia> Nece228: I suggest you come back later when funkyHat is available
[20:36] <Nece228> yeah i know
[20:36] <IdleOne> well if you know, please part
[20:39] <Nece228> oh, so i cant be in this channel without reason?
[20:40] <IdleOne> correct
[20:40] <Nece228> then sorry
[20:40] <Nece228> bye
[22:07] <topyli> hrm. bantracker items for the sailor above is depressing reading
[22:42] <veryhappy> can you please help me?
[22:43] <veryhappy> im sorry
[22:49] <jrib> what are you bots talking about...
[22:49] <Flannel> jrib: probably the m m m m m mm m m m m
[22:50] <jrib> yeah but he quieted and blocked unidentified users for that :/
[22:50] <Flannel> Just letting us know so we can look into it incase it was part of something larger I imagine
[22:54] <jrib> Flannel: just seemed weird that the floodbot didn't just quiet the guy until he shutup


[17:30] <chubbard> Having an issue with the Happ DCR2650, does anyone have experience with these tuners?
[17:43] <qwebirc83687> tgm4883
[17:45] <qwebirc83687> tgm4883
[17:46] <qwebirc83687> tgm4883
[17:47] <qwebirc83687> mythbuntu
[17:47] <tgm4883> nice
[17:48] <chubbard> grin
[17:54] <qwebirc83687> tgm4883
[17:54] <qwebirc83687> tgm4883
[18:39] <qwebirc54110> I need help getting an HVR-1950 recognized under Mythbuntu 12.04.1 with a 3.2 kernel. Has anyone gotten this to work? I have got it to work with an old kernel (2.6) but am having ZERO luck with the newer kernel
[20:21] <qwebirc30788> just upgraded from 10.10 to 12.04. Going smoothly for the most part but having trouble getting recordings to schedule. In the upcoming recordings section, there is nothing scheduled. It shows a long list of upcoming airings that were previously recorded, but anything airing that was not previously recorded is not shown and not scheduled to record. In the listings, I can see a show scheduled to air tomorrow night. It is a
[20:21] <qwebirc30788> That show is listed in my recording schedules as record at all times on all channels. Yet it does not show up as scheduled to record.
[20:30] <qwebirc30788> update- if I check the "deactivated" box it shows up. I can then "activate" it so it forces a recording of that single instance. So how do I reactivate all instances of all shows?
[20:37] <bonelifer> Using MyhthBuntu 11.10.  The main backend will shutdown the Slave BE, if it isn't required which was working great. Now when doing the shutdown it hangs and just sits there.  If I push the power button and hold till it shutdown, I can then turn the computer back on and it boots fine.  I've also ran the same shutdown command via the terminal with the same result.  This was a fresh install and this didn't happen till the last update a
[20:37] <bonelifer>  few days ago.
[21:15] <qwebirc30788> believe my problem is fixed. I deleted all recording devices and channel lineups and readded all from scratch. Appears to be working correctly now.


[12:58] <okaratas> i prepared a deb packet for ubuntu which is not in the archives. how can i send this to archives? what should i do?,
[12:58] <pochu> okaratas: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-motu ;)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> okaratas: we're in a freeze, which means we're not accepting any new stuff, for the rest of feisty.  for more info, see !feisty.  Also, feisty uses sources, not binaries into the archive.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> okaratas: you'll find lots more information in the topic in #ubuntu-motu including https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation
[12:59] <okaratas> thank you very much Hobbsee and pochu
[12:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:00] <pochu> np
[02:15] <cypherbios> someone knows what is the sintax parsed by Udate Manager to create a link to an bug in the change log viewer embed on update-manager? i.e: LP:#89325 links to https://launchpad.net/bugs/89325
[02:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89325 in aptoncd "returns to the beggining if the user hasn't enough rights to save the folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:17] <cypherbios> I just need to put on changelog '* closes LP:#89325' and update manager will show an link to the corresponding bug automatically ?
[02:20] <pochu> Seveas: ping?
[02:20] <Seveas> pochu, ?
[02:20] <pochu> Seveas: I've read you are the irc cloak man, aren't you? :)
[02:21] <Seveas> pochu, please use #ubuntu-devel only for development issues
[02:21] <pochu> ups
[02:21] <pochu> I tought I was on -locoteams :)
[02:21] <pochu> sorry
[09:26] <jdub> Mar  4 19:25:30 localhost named[2603] : rdata.c:799: REQUIRE(source != ((void *)0)) failed
[09:26] <jdub> awesome
[09:30] <jdub> whoa
[09:30] <jdub> only does it on waugh.id.au
[09:31] <jdub> and other waugh.id.au A records
[09:31] <jdub> but not other domains on that nameserver
[09:32] <_ion> Interesting. :-)
[09:32] <jdub> it is bizaarely reliable
[09:32] <jdub> in both ways ;)
[09:52] <lucas> is there an svn repository or something for apt ? I'd like to browse the history to track down a bug
[09:52] <Mithrandir> it's in bzr, iirc
[09:53] <lucas> do you have the branch url ?
[09:55] <Mithrandir> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apt/ubuntu, it seems
[09:55] <lucas> thank you
[09:55] <Mithrandir> there's one on people.debian.org/~mvo/apt too, if you want the debian one.
[09:55] <Mithrandir> I believe they're quite close
[09:56] <lucas> the change I'm looking for is quite old, so it shouldn't matter
[01:00] <g0su> one question please, what is the diference between /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale for LANG and LANGUAJE variable?
[01:07] <geser> afaik is /e/d/l the new location but not all programs use it already
[01:47] <mojo> Does anyone know why public_html does not work with apache2 on Feisty Fawn Herd 5? I received 404 Not Found Error when typing http://localhost/~<username>
[01:49] <elkbuntu> mojo, this channel is for development, not troubleshooting. try in #ubuntu+1
[01:49] <mojo> okay, those ppl in #ubuntu ask me to ask it here
[02:06] <geser> tepsipakki: are you around?
[02:11] <tepsipakki> geser: not for long
[02:11] <tepsipakki> what's up?
[02:13] <g0su> i think than this question is more for develops XP
[02:13] <g0su> why two files(/etc/default/locale /etc/environment) change the same variable(LANG and LANGUAGE)? or Why /etc/event.d/rc-default search(in elif) /etc/inittab if inittab not exist?
[02:15] <geser> tepsipakki: can you fix the dependency in xserver-xorg to depend on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 as the new video drivers provide now xserver-xorg-video-1.0?
[02:15] <tepsipakki> ah that
[02:15] <tepsipakki> we forgot to do that :)
[02:15] <geser> currently you can only install the video-all meta package because of this
[02:15] <tepsipakki> right
[02:16] <geser> thanks
[02:16] <tepsipakki> we'll make it xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video
[02:17] <tepsipakki> maybe that makes upgrades a bit smoother
[02:17] <tepsipakki> kylem: ^^
[02:17] <g0su> One question, you need to install xerver-xorg-video-all for have xserver-xorg?
[02:17] <tepsipakki> I have to go now ->
[02:17] <g0su> in herd 4 i think no
[02:18] <geser> g0su: xserver-xorg-video-all is only preferred
[02:19] <geser> but currently the dependency is broken and can only be fulfilled with the video-all package
[02:19] <g0su> root@DarkTemplar:~# aptitude show xserver-xorg | grep Estado
[02:19] <g0su> Estado: instalado
[02:19] <g0su> root@DarkTemplar:~# aptitude show  xserver-xorg-video-all | grep Estado
[02:19] <g0su> Estado: sin instalar
[02:20] <g0su> sin instalar = not install & instalar = install :) geser this is now in herd 5?
[02:23] <geser> g0su: you can also only keep the needed video-drivers and deinstall video-all and the other not needed video-drivers
[02:24] <geser> xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video and the later is provided by the individual video-drivers
[02:24] <g0su> yes i understand this
[02:25] <Lathiat> wow http://www.addonics.com/support/faqs/faq-pmsupport.asp
[02:25] <Lathiat> shipping ubuntu 6.06 lts drivers for their port multipliers
[02:25] <Lathiat> first time ive seen !redhat drivers shipped by a vendor
[02:26] <g0su> jajajaj
[02:27] <Lathiat> hrm custom compile instructions tho, good thign is that its in patch form and not binary
[02:28] <g0su> Ei have any explain me why i have 2 files with the same variables x) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8579/ i dont understand why i cant choose my locales :X
[02:29] <Lathiat> g0su: it doesnt matter what locales are generated its largely irrelevant as long as the ones you want are in there
[02:35] <g0su> Lathiat, yes but the locale en_EN dont create it. Sorry for take your time. I am searching but i dont fount the information.
[02:38] <geser> what should en_EN be?
[02:39] <g0su> i wont to delete all es_X exp es_ES.UTF-8 and create en_EN.UTF-8
[02:41] <g0su> i want to delete all es_X except es_ES.UTF-8 and create en_EN.UTF-8. Sorry for my english X(
[03:23] <geser> g0su: I don't know if such a locale (en_EN) exists
[03:23] <g0su> en_EN.UTF-8
[03:23] <g0su> english_ENGLISH :D
[03:25] <cliebow_> anyone else having trouble using 2.6.20-x in sony laptop..initramfs stops after discovering memory stick applinace..
[04:18] <Seveas> g0su, the EN in en_EN does not exist, there is no country called ENGLISH
[04:23] <Keybuk> en_GB is British English
[04:23] <Keybuk> en_US is American
[04:23] <_ion> And en_FI is what I speak.
[04:24] <kylem> en_US.redneck
[04:25] <cliebow_> redneck??
[04:26] <kylem> cliebow_, what kind of memory stick?
[04:30] <geser> kylem: did you catch the discussion about the wrong dependency in xserver-xorg?
[04:31] <kylem> geser, er... i think it was occuring as i woke up.
[04:31] <kylem> so i probably saw it, but didn't grok it. :)
[04:33] <geser> xserver-xorg depends on  xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video but the new video drivers provide now xserver-xorg-video-1.0
[04:33] <geser> tepsipakki suggested to change the dependency to xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video
[04:34] <kylem> ok.
[04:34] <kylem> tepsipakki, any objection to renaming the i810 package to -intel for clarity?
[04:34] <geser> can you do a fixed upload?
[04:35] <geser> wasn't there once an -intel package?
[04:35] <cliebow_> well there is no stick in it..it finds the slot..msc...lemme boot it
[04:35] <kylem> -intel-modesetting is in universe.
[04:35] <kylem> cliebow_, if it's tifm7xxx or something, just add it to modprobe.d/blacklist and file a bug plz.
[04:36] <kylem> geser, sure.
[04:38] <geser> -intel is in edgy and was replaced with -i810-modesetting in feisty
[04:39] <cliebow_> scsi 0:0:0:0 direct access Sony MSC-U03 2.00 PQ ANSI:0 CSS
[04:39] <cliebow_> scsi generic sg0 type 0
[04:39] <kylem> mjg59, you've got a bug. :)
[04:40] <cliebow_> wil do
[04:49] <bddebian> doko: You aboot?
[04:52] <kylem> geser, is there a bug # for this?
[04:55] <Keybuk> kylem: I'm completely confused about which is the current intel/i810/modesetting drier too :p
[04:55] <geser> for the dependency problem?
[04:55] <kylem> Keybuk, yes, this is what i'm trying to solve.
[04:55] <kylem> geser, yeah.
[04:55] <mjg59> -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with i810.
[04:56] <mjg59> i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to date, but can't be installed in parallel
[04:56] <geser> kylem: not that I know of (I didn't file one yet)
[04:56] <Keybuk> mjg59: -intel replaces both i810 and i810-modesetting?
[04:56] <doko> bddebian: ?
[04:56] <kylem> ok.
[04:56] <mjg59> Keybuk: ?
[04:56] <Keybuk> mjg59: I have i810-modesetting installed atm, do I need to change that to a different driver? :p
[04:56] <bddebian> doko: I was going to ask you about mpichpython but I found it.  Though I still don't understand the error I'm getting.
[04:56] <mjg59> I don't know. What are you trying to do?
[04:56] <Keybuk> mjg59: use X.
[04:57] <Keybuk> mjg59: I just want to know what the "correct" driver out of the maze of different ones is
[04:57] <mjg59> There doesn't seem to be any context to this discussion.
[04:57] <mjg59> The "correct" driver is i810.
[04:57] <geser> how many intel/i810 dirvers do we have currently? 2 or 3?
[04:57] <mjg59> -modesetting and -intel are two different packagings of the modesetting branch of the i810 driver.
[04:58] <Keybuk> ok, why the renaming?
[04:58] <mjg59> 15:55 < mjg59> -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with  i810.
[04:58] <mjg59> 15:56 < mjg59> i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to  date, but can't be installed in parallel
[04:58] <Keybuk> but why rename it?
[04:59] <Keybuk> why not just update the i810-modesetting package to be parallel installable without downgrading it? :p
[04:59] <mjg59> When we're talking about three different packages, "it" doesn't bind usefully
[04:59] <geser> mjg59: is -intel back now?
[04:59] <tepsipakki> upstream is going to rename -i810 to -intel
[04:59] <tepsipakki> some time
[05:00] <Keybuk> hmm
[05:00] <Keybuk> I think he exploded
[05:02] <geser> tepsipakki: are there any plans to update the -i810-modesetting driver?
[05:03] <tepsipakki> geser: sure
[05:03] <Keybuk> so, is the -i810-modesetting driver more up to date than the -intel driver, or the other way around?
[05:04] <tepsipakki> Keybuk: the other way around atm
[05:04] <tepsipakki> oh, and it's still -i810 not -intel
[05:04] <Keybuk> err, what?
[05:05] <geser> Keybuk: see bug #75480
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75480 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Please remove the xserver-xorg-video-intel source and binary packages from Ubuntu Feisty universe (superceded by xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75480
[05:06] <tepsipakki> oh, so there was -intel already
[05:06] <Keybuk> yes
[05:06] <bddebian> Is "1.*Numeric.arrange(10)" valid Python?
[05:06] <Keybuk> there's -intel, -i810 and -i810-modesetting, all of wildly different versions
[05:06] <tepsipakki> then maybe it's best to rename only when the modesetting-branch is merged in
[05:06] <Keybuk> and, unless I'm totally confused, mjg59 has made a new -intel again
[05:07] <rpereira> Does someone know if the instability with Firefox and Flash (nonfree) was resolved on Edgy? Or on Feisty?
[05:08] <tepsipakki> Keybuk: hmm, can't find it so maybe not uploaded yet
 -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with i810.
 i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to date, but can't be installed in parallel
[05:10] <tepsipakki> doesn't say when :)
[05:11] <geser> he uploaded -intel to edgy, perhaps he is referring to that upload
[05:11] <tepsipakki> yes
[05:15] <tepsipakki> fedora already renames -i810 as -intel
[05:17] <_ion> tepsipakki: Does your nick mean something, btw? :-)
[05:17] <tepsipakki> _ion: you should know ;)
[05:17] <_ion> tepsipakki: Well, it looks like Finnish, but i have no idea what a "tepsi" is. :-P
[05:18] <tepsipakki> in that case you don't like sports much ;)
[05:18] <_ion> (Or how a box is related to one.)
[05:18] <_ion> Good observation. :-)
[05:19] <tepsipakki> tepsi=TPS, pakki=defenseman (in ice-hockey)
[05:19] <_ion> Ah, ok. :-)
[05:20] <tepsipakki> why I got it is left as an exercise (no, it's not pretty)
[05:27] <kylem> Subject: Accepted xorg 1:7.2-0ubuntu2 (source)
[05:28] <geser> kylem: thanks
[05:28] <tepsipakki> thanks
[05:30] <kylem> ok
[07:36] <lfittl> iwj, zul told me you could probably help me with some strange xen + lvm problem (details at bug #89133)
[07:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89133 in xen-source "Problem with blktap and LVM (device numbers)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89133
[07:42] <sladen> woo, 48hours of network-manager before I needed to kill it
[07:43] <_ion> Months of network-manager since i last needed to kill it. :-)
[07:46] <jdong> *URG*
[07:46] <jdong> Bad Prank Of The Day: set shell to /usr/bin/wine cmd.exe
[07:46] <_ion> Haha
[07:48] <jdong> grr how do I start a real shell
[07:48] <jdong> yes!
[07:48] <jdong> z:\bin\bash
[07:49] <jdong> is this how Windows users feel when I give them cygwin prompts?
[07:50] <_ion> They get the "OMG, it's full of stars!" feeling after only having used the CLI equivalent of poking a pile of dog poo before.
[07:50] <jdong> :)
[07:50] <bhale> if you can call it a CLI
[07:52] <jdong> meh at least Vista can have a GNU environment...
[07:52] <jdong> it's a slight improvement
[07:52] <bhale> hm?
[07:52] <jdong> Vista SUA
[07:52] <jdong> you can run most of the GNU userland
[07:53] <jdong> (though by default they install SVR5 and BSD... pfft)
[07:53] <jdong> it seems to perform pretty natively too
[07:53] <jdong> as opposed to Cygwin
[07:53] <bhale> most of the win32 network tools are BSD
[07:53] <jdong> should I torture myself and use Vista for the day?
[08:17] <frafu> hello,
[08:17] <frafu> I would like the drag&drop in Ubuntu to behave a bit differently: I think the best is if I give an example:
[08:18] <frafu> Let us assume we have to nautilus windows on the desktop: let's call them wina and winb. The windows are placed so that winb is partly covered by wina. In other words, wina is the front window.
[08:18] <frafu> Now I want to drag and drop an item from winb to wina. Now comes what I don't like:
[08:18] <frafu> When I click on the item in winb to drag it to wina, winb comes to the front. This is what I don't like and what I am not used to on my mac: a drag&drop should not change the order of the windows.
[08:19] <frafu> Now my question: who is responsible for the drag and dtop? Gnome? Should I file my request directly in gnomes bugzilla?
[08:19] <mjg59> It's nothing to do with drag and drop behaviour
[08:19] <mjg59> That's handled by the window manager
[08:19] <frafu> ok, metacity
[08:20] <mjg59> But yes. It's the sort of change that we'd probably want upstream to consider
[08:20] <mjg59> So feel free to file an enhancement bug in launchpad, but the best bet is probably to discuss it with the upstream developers
[08:20] <mjg59> I'm pretty sure that it's metacity that's responsible, anyway...
[08:20] <frafu> so I should go directly to the devs of metacity
[08:21] <mjg59> Yeah. I think the easiest way of fixing it would be to require button release before raising the window
[08:21] <mjg59> Though I haven't looked into the problem closely. I may be misinterpreting it.
[08:22] <frafu> I will try to find the devs of metacity. Thank you.
[08:24] <frafu> Isn't metacity being replaced by a composite window manager?
[08:24] <frafu> in the next release?
[08:27] <pochu> frafu: it's installed by default, though it isn't enabled by default
[08:28] <frafu> does anybody know the drag and drop behaviour of the new window manager?
[08:29] <frafu> There might be no point in asking for a change in metacity when Ubuntu is going to use another window manager
[08:30] <frafu> !?
[08:31] <pochu> frafu: if you think that is better, ask in the two places :)
[08:33] <frafu> could you give me the name of the new window manager? Or has the decision not been taken yet (there were two possible candidates as far as I know)
[08:36] <alex-weej> frafu: Compiz
[08:37] <frafu> Indeed, I think that it is better when the windows do not change order, because the user sees before he starts the drag&drop if the starting point and the endpoint of the drag&drop are within reach.
[08:37] <frafu> Does compiz behave like metacity or like a mac?
[08:40] <frafu> If the drag&drop in compiz behaves like the macscdrag&drop, there is no need for me to contact them.
[08:40] <frafu> Anyway, many thanks to all.
[08:41] <_ion> frafu: There's some usability work going on re: copypasting and drag&drop: http://images.mandriva.com/metisse/copy-paste-simple.avi
[08:47] <frafu> _ion: in the demo, the windows don't change their order, but it is not clear how the system distinguishes between a simple click and the paste
[08:48] <frafu> On the other hand, the demo shows that the order of the windows does not change when doing a selection
[09:04] <frafu> This is an old issue:
[09:04] <frafu> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80984
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 80984 in EWMH specification "Develop specification for not raising drag source windows during the drag." [Enhancement,New]
[09:06] <frafu> And for what I could understand, the usual behaviour of a window manager is to not raise the window from which the drag&drop starts
[09:07] <frafu> So chances are that compiz does not do it and behaves the way I want it.
[09:26] <supervillain> Hi, can I ask about Ubuntu SoC 2007 related topics here?
[09:28] <pochu> supervillain: soc?
[09:28] <supervillain> yes, I like to know what are the qualifications of a mentor for SoC 2007?
[09:29] <pochu> supervillain: I don't know, but maybe you can take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2007
[09:30] <pochu> supervillain: and this: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html
[09:35] <supervillain> Is it possible to recommend someone to be a mentor for an Ubuntu project?
[09:43] <Amaranth> supervillain: no, someone can volunteer though
[10:08] <supervillain> Is it possible to join several projects at the same time?
[10:09] <supervillain> for SoC
[10:12] <shiyee> supervillain: you can apply for multiple projects, but you only get accepted for one
[10:45] <illovae> yo
[11:38] <pascal> In what way are the entries in the hardware database http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ used? I'm not able to access even my own
[12:18] <snoogie> evening
[12:19] <snoogie> y aurait il un franais :D ?
[12:19] <snoogie> hello I want to ask a sutpid question maybe
[12:19] <snoogie> :D
[12:19] <snoogie> so please forgive me if it is one :)
[12:20] <snoogie> Suppose I found a soft that feisty need and that I want to write
[12:20] <snoogie> I want to start a soft who is a bit similar :)
[12:21] <snoogie> So my question is 1) If I start write it in C++/wxWidgets because I know this language and this toolkit but on launchpad I see they want pyGTK and Glade
[12:22] <snoogie> will it be rejected if I submit a beta version ?


[01:11] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: hpidcock: i need food so will ping you guys in a bit
[01:12] <kelvinliu> yep
[01:12] <wallyworld> hpidcock: forgot to mention - that podspec set commit fix should also land in 2.6
[01:13] <hpidcock> ok
[01:40] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: hpidcock: is now ok for hangout?
[01:40] <hpidcock> give me a sec
[01:41] <wallyworld> np just ping when ready
[01:41] <kelvinliu> im ok, we will wait hpidcock
[01:43] <hpidcock> wallyworld kelvinliu
[02:27] <timClicks> babbageclunk, wallyworld: vSAN PR be good; once you're happy there is some unit test churn to fix then I'll rebase
[02:28] <wallyworld> awesome, i'll let babbageclunk +1 it
[02:28] <timClicks> ok
[02:29] <timClicks> *should be good
[02:29] <babbageclunk> timClicks: looking now
[02:58] <hpidcock> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10488 not sure if this is how you would backport or if I should give the PR the same description as the one that landed in develop.
[03:00] <babbageclunk> timClicks: reviewed - the scoping thing's a bit hard to explain, let me know if you want more detail
[03:10] <timClicks> babbageclunk: could you please take a look to see if I've fixed that?
[03:11] <babbageclunk> yup yup
[03:15] <babbageclunk> timClicks: you don't need to assign to err on line 253 - just the normal return will set err for the deferred func
[03:16] <babbageclunk> but other than that yes that'll fix it
[03:18] <timClicks> babbageclunk: should be fixed
[03:20] <wallyworld> hpidcock: we can go either way. sometimes a copy of the description is useful
[03:24] <hpidcock> ok cool, thank-you
[03:42] <timClicks> babbageclunk: could you please click resolve convo if you're happy with that error scoping fix
[03:44] <babbageclunk> wilco
[03:47] <babbageclunk> timClicks: sorry, otp but will straight after
[03:47] <timClicks> np
[04:17] <babbageclunk> timClicks: approved
[04:18] <timClicks> whaaaat
[05:23] <hpidcock> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10492 merge 2.6 into develop, no changes, just forward-porting a merge commit that makes merging confusing for the next person.
[05:45] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: there's a few things to look at in the actions PR. could you go through the comments from me and harry and fix those you agree with and we can talk about the rest
[05:46] <kelvinliu> sure
[05:46] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: now?
[05:48] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: we can chat now if you want - have a read of the comments and ping me?
[05:55] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: i think we can go through now if you r free
[05:55] <wallyworld> ok
[05:55] <kelvinliu> and hpidcock
[07:00] <hpidcock> oops sorry, was in the zone
[07:02] <hpidcock> wallyworld: the juju.io/cloud node annotations used for detecting substrate, it appears compileK8sCloudCheckers() doesn't have rules to match openstack
[07:06] <wallyworld> hpidcock: yeah, i can believe that. i can't recall offhand what the solution is there. i think we'll need to check the charm source code to see what it sets up
[07:07] <hpidcock> already on it
[07:09] <wallyworld> hpidcock: i think there may even be something in CDK kube-master charm which when related does something
[07:09] <wallyworld> i can check with cory tomorrow
[07:18] <hpidcock> Looks like it's done inside the kubernetes-worker charm and only for gce, ec2 and azure
[07:21] <wallyworld> it was on the todo list
[07:21] <wallyworld> i'll follow up
[07:25] <hpidcock> thank-you
[09:54] <stickupkid> anyone around for a CR https://github.com/juju/jsonschema-gen/pull/3
[10:00] <achilleasa> stickupkid: looking ^^^
[10:02] <achilleasa> stickupkid: done
[10:35] <stickupkid> achilleasa, whilst you're at it https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10471
[10:36] <achilleasa> stickupkid: sure. will look in 10min if that's OK with you
[10:36] <stickupkid> achilleasa, fine with me
[10:48] <stickupkid> achilleasa, manadart approved the now closed develop version https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10467 if that helps
[11:28] <achilleasa> stickupkid: done. sorry for the delay
[11:28] <stickupkid> achilleasa, nps, ty
[12:17] <stickupkid> CR for merging 2.6 into develop https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10493
[12:20] <achilleasa> stickupkid: I 've noticed that hpidcock also has a forward merge PR (https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10492) for his changes (which are included in your PR as well).
[12:23] <rick_h> achilleasa:  with john and joe out can you please give thumper some time on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10491
[12:25] <achilleasa> rick_h: sure thing
[12:58] <stickupkid> rick_h, ah, i'll merge his and then redo mine
[14:10] <stickupkid> achilleasa, correct 2.6 into develop after hpidcock was merged https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10495
[14:11] <achilleasa> stickupkid: approved
[14:12] <stickupkid> achilleasa, ta
[14:16] <rick_h> stickupkid:  ok'd the one, started to look at the other but it needs updating based on the first so going to hold off then if that's cool
[14:16] <stickupkid> rick_h, yes of course
[15:34] <pmatulis> is there a bug whereby a model cannot be removed if CMR is in use?
[15:35] <rick_h> pmatulis:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1768682 I think
[15:35] <mup> Bug #1768682: cross model breakage <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1768682>
[15:36] <pmatulis> rick_h, thank you
[15:57] <pmatulis> rick_h, in the help for remove-relation there is the example 'juju remove-relation 4' . where is the ID of '4' exposed/visible?
[16:06] <rick_h> pmatulis:  hmm, good question. So there's a relation id that's used in hooks/etc. I'd have to poke around to see if that's exposed in the normal UX in any way
[16:33] <pmatulis> rick_h, alright. i'm having quite a hard time recovering from trying to remove this model. looks like i have to wipe out the controller


[17:04] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: wb
[20:02] <wrst> hello jfenn2199
[20:02] <jfenn2199> hey how goes wrst
[20:02] <wrst> going well you doing ok?
[20:03] <jfenn2199> I'm alright


[02:15] <pleia2> tsimonq2: thanks :)
[02:16] <pleia2> publishing now
[02:26] <pleia2> ugh, wiki being slow
[02:37] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 476 for the week July 25 - 31, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue476
[02:43] <pleia2> and updated the issue template to remove 15.10 updates in the list, woo


 My command center in west
 Fpl and bso also setup call centers at this resort
 The things they call lifehacks these days upsets me.
 @RazPi, Agreed
 I just watched a guy glue a usb to three AA's
 That's just addition. :(
 It's also not safe.
 USB is REGULATED 5v.  3AA batteries is 4.5v unregulated.  You could blow up your phone.
 Maybe in a pinch, if you accept the risks.. but def not a life hack.
 And it really makes no sense. If you have a lot of extra parts laying round
 They should've at least added an inline regulator or something
 @RazPi, But then it would not be a life hack... It would just make sense
 Yes, then you'd be a maker instead of a lifehacker
 It is almost as bad as that life hack telling people to make an indoor air conditioner and fill it with dry ice
 HNNNNNGH
 https://youtu.be/YIgV2Q8Leh0
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw
 130mph
 @RazPi I saw that video years ago and it was awesome
 @RazPi https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/boltiot/the-worlds-first-9-iot-platform?ref=2grc5t
 AT&T Free Msg: Hurricane Irma Efforts - As Hurricane Irma continues to make its way toward Florida we'd like to help out during this difficult time. You won't be charged for any talk, text, and data overages from 9/8-9/17. Go to att.com/hurricaneirma for more info.
 Wow, thanks.  I'm on an unlimited everything plan
 AT&T Free Msg: Hurricane Irma Efforts - As Hurricane Irma continues to make its way toward Florida we'd like to help out during this difficult time. You won't be charged for any talk, text, and data overages from 9/8-9/17. Go to att.com/hurricaneirma for more info.
 http://wsvn.com/news/local/curfews-announced-for-south-florida-cities-in-response-to-irma/
 @kmyers @AdamOutler With IoT becoming more rampant, should I be looking more closely into IPv6?
 Ipv6 is great if for some reason you wanted to put a device directly on the internet.
 However, it makes a lot more sense to stick with ipv4 as it's far easier to manage.
 That first instance seems interesting, if I want to scatter IoT devices around my house, maybe even one in my car, and access all of them
 There are better ways to do it.  When you make a device public, you expose a huge attack surface
 Hm I see
 Turn off everything keep a lone port open for VPN?
 Or have the device report to another server and check in once in a while.
 Ooh I see, reduces the access point to a single place
 For an example, a thermometer might report it's temperature once in a while, then even more seldom, pull new settings over HTTPS.
 My mood about IPv4 is that with addresses in visibly finite supply, seems a waste to put an IoT device on a 32-bit address
 UNIQUE addresses.
 You can use virtual private IP addresses all day long.
 Oh! Got it
 Thank you
 <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS> (65,536 IP addresses) … <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS> (1,048,576 IP addresses) … <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS> (16,777,216 IP addresses)
 Just wait until I get smart dust.
 Each with their own ipv4
 then maybe I'll fill half of those
 Smart dust?  Count me in.
 Honestly the biggest issue driving the lack of IPv4 is some companies are hoarding them. Xerox for example has a ton
 Tf has a ton as well
 Stopped by Hollywood Beach. … https://imgur.com/a/Qr9kW
 We just had our first power flicker
 Same earlier
 I'm putting linux on my laptop while there's power, what was the usb tool again?
 UNetBootin is out fashion now isn't it
 Etcher
 I've been flipflopping but I think I made a final decision on desktop. The requirements were, "Best out of box experience." Because I don't have time to configure
 Default Unity. It gets developed alongside ubuntu, so has the best chance of working with everything. If I had more time, I would set up fluxbox or something like it, docky, conker, etc., though. Maybe LxQt
 @AdamOutler did you see the rfc  for ipv10?
 No
 I'll link you
 OMG. I have to look now.
 They just published an rfc for ipv10
 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-omar-ipv10-06
 RFC 2549 - IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service … https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
 We can use this after the hurricane
 Lmao that's amazing
 Ipv10 appears to be an ipv4 to 6 and 6 to 4 gateway.
 I'm not sure how that is entirely useful.
 That already exists.
 How about packet mood https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5841
 RFC 5841
 A solid installation page on Qt5 would be nice :(
 apt install qt5
 That sets up for dev?
 I had to download a 1.0gb package and then run and install it to /opt
 Powertop and tlp
 Damn
 I wish they still made these laptops
 I'd buy another
 What laptop?
 Thinkpad X220
 Based on Keith's review of his pixel though, battery life on that is probably the best I've seen in a laptop so far
 The thinkpad is as anti-apple as it gets though https://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_nbc2/800x600_03.jpg
 The Pixel C is a tablet no?
 I think Keith uses it like a computer
 I mean as long as it has a terminal
 It does indeed
 Yea pretty much
 For your laptop?
 DexTop
 Hehe
 How is everyone fairing the storm?
 nothing bad yet
 We have tornados
 yea we do
 Less than 5 miles from my house
 Tornado warning have pretty much been issued for all of South Florida
 https://m.twitch.tv/zidonuke/?desktop-redirect=true
 I just got my first tornado warning about 10 minutes ago


[07:32] <coz> see if this is an ok splash http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2447&original=1&c=5


[07:05] <pitti> Good morning
[07:06] <sarnold> hey pitti :)
[07:06] <pitti> hey sarnold, wie gehts?
[07:06] <sarnold> pitti: sehr gut danke, und dir?
[07:06] <pitti> prima, danke! had a nice and relaxing weekend with some gardening and long walks, yay spring weather
[07:07] <sarnold> sehr schoen :D
[08:22] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:56] <willcooke> hi gang
[09:01] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Sweet5hark
[09:01] <willcooke> morning didrocks, how are you doing?
[09:02] <lan3y> supsupsupsupsuspuspu
[09:02] <lan3y> why
[09:02] <lan3y> WHY
[09:02] <willcooke> :) mornnig Laney
[09:02] <willcooke> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:03] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney Sweet5hark
[09:03] <willcooke> My computer is very slow this morning.  Just worked out my backup is running.
[09:03] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:03] <Sweet5hark> hey, everyone!
[09:05]  * Sweet5hark had a good weekend: Shyly singing "ode to joy" with some 400 other people at the #pulseforeurope in my city on Sunday was a nice experience.
[09:08] <davmor2> Laney: why did you go from sup to sus to spu?
[09:09] <Laney> evolution
[09:09] <Laney> hi willcooke hi seb128 hi Sweet5hark hi davmor
[09:09] <Laney> 2
[09:09] <Laney> HA
[09:10] <didrocks> willcooke: really really busy and lack of sleep, but good! Yourself?
[09:10] <didrocks> morning Laney, davmor2, re seb128
[09:11] <davmor2> Laney: man seriously you couldn't hit tab to complete my nick ;)
[09:11] <Laney> we had some late night pub times on friday, some friends got engaged
[09:11] <Laney> there were shots
[09:12] <Laney> and a one armed press up contest for some reason
[09:12] <Laney> blergggg
[09:12] <Laney> davmor2: you should be happy about the promotion to davmor1
[09:13] <davmor2> Laney: davmor1 was in use when I installed SuSE Linux 6.3 waaaaaay back or I would of been from then on in davmor2 kinda stuck :)  it was SuSE that gave me the nick :D
[09:14] <pitti> hey gang, much more life here than this morning!
[09:14] <didrocks> good morning pitti!
[09:15] <davmor2> Laney: their manual said to use the first 3 letters of your firstname, the first 3 letters of your surname and a number and davmor1 was already taken :)
[09:15] <Laney> sounds like some company's username policy ended up in their manual
[09:15] <Laney> hey didrocks, ahoy pitti
[09:15] <pitti> sounds very close to "didroc[ks]" :)
[09:16] <desrt> happy monday!
[09:16] <davmor2> Laney: it was more a suggestion of a good username I assume more than a directive :)
[09:17] <Laney> take surname, add a y
[09:17] <Laney> if that sounds weird, try an i instead
[09:17] <Laney> if *that* sounds weird, you're on your own
[09:19] <seb128> hey desrt, pitti, happy monday
[09:19] <pitti> Laney: "pitti" doesn't sound too bad indeed! :)
[09:19] <desrt> morning seb128
[09:19] <pitti> bonjour seb128, hereux lundi à toi aussi !
[09:19] <seb128> 'ci!
[09:19] <desrt> hihi pitti, Laney, didrocks
[09:20] <desrt> larsu says "hi"
[09:20] <Laney> hi coworking space
[09:20] <desrt> Laney: good job
[09:21] <Laney> good weekend?
[09:21] <desrt> Quite good yes :)
[09:22] <desrt> + you?  what went down?
[09:25] <Laney> apart from the aforementioned drinks: went to the library, went climbing, went to a film screening / meal about food sustainability at the 'small food bakery' down the road
[09:26] <desrt> small food?
[09:26] <desrt> like, tiny little croissants?
[09:27] <Laney> i think it's more like local suppliers
[09:28] <Laney> or possibly 'small' refers to the number of companies in the chain
[09:28] <desrt> or the size of the batches?
[09:28] <Laney> but also the actual size of the place too :-)
[09:29] <Laney> http://www.smallfoodbakery.com/shorten-the-food-chain/
[09:29] <desrt> uh
[09:29] <desrt> shortening the food chain would involve the place being vegan :p
[09:32] <desrt> they are curiously selective about which products they list the origins of
[09:33] <Laney> not really my project to have a debate on
[09:33] <Laney> you can probably find her contact details on the website
[09:33] <desrt> not really interested in raining on her parade :p
[09:34] <didrocks> morning desrt, say "hi" back to larsu
[09:34] <desrt> it's bad enough when vegans go around telling other people about why they should be vegan... much worse when a non-vegan is doing this :p
[09:34] <desrt> didrocks: hey.  getting used to your new life well?
[09:35] <didrocks> desrt: depends, feel we got some regressions with the new features from lastdays :)
[09:35] <didrocks> so, still in stabilization period
[09:35] <desrt> "features"
[09:35] <desrt> upgrades suck.  pin that shit :p
[09:35] <didrocks> yeah, everyday he grows some
[09:35] <didrocks> ahah
[09:35] <didrocks> not sure we want to
[09:35] <desrt> ya.. that would be pretty weird i guess
[09:35] <desrt> sounds like you enjoy the adventure, in any case :)
[09:36] <didrocks> indeed :-) and the term is well used!
[13:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: In "Security & Privacy" in u-c-c two tabs (Security and Search) are missing. Is that intentionally?
[13:33] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, what ubuntu version?
[13:33] <seb128> but no, if tabs were present and are not anymore it's a bug
[13:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: Updated zesty
[13:33] <seb128> GunnarHj, btw xenial langpacks update finally worked
[13:34] <seb128> I was just looking at it
[13:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hey, great! :)
[13:34] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm not using zesty, check with Laney if we can confirm maybe
[13:34] <seb128> open a bug on launchpad in any case
[13:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, I'll open a bug.
[13:35] <seb128> thanks
[13:35] <seb128> it's on a activily-log-manager I think
[13:35] <seb128> that's what provide that panel iirc
[13:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ack.
[13:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: But not the Security part, right? Password at suspend etc.
[13:37] <seb128> you mean? the panel "security & privacy" or whatever it's called in english
[13:37] <seb128> it's one set
[13:38] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes. Ok, so the whole thing is provided by the package you mentioned. Got it.
[13:38] <Laney> I know about it
[13:38] <Laney> You don't need to file a bug
[13:39] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thanks for stopping me. :) Is it going to be fixed? (It was a docs team member who asked.)
[13:39] <Laney> Sure
[13:39] <GunnarHj> Ack.
[13:40] <Laney> Thanks for reporting though!
[13:45] <seb128> GunnarHj, seems like the ppa cronjob only updated "en", I need to look at that it feels buggy
[13:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: I see. Btw, langpack creation seems to still be disabled for zesty. Related?
[13:46] <seb128> no
[13:47] <GunnarHj> ok
[13:47] <seb128> wgrant said he would enable it today
[13:47] <seb128> export should happen tomorrow
[13:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks for letting me know.
[13:47] <seb128> it was the free slot in https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule
[13:47] <seb128> yw!
[13:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: That schedule looks confusing to me. Waiting til you have sorted it out.
[13:50] <seb128> GunnarHj, what is confusing you? (out of the fact that it's missing zesty)?
[13:51] <GunnarHj> seb128: Well, after having looked at it again: Nothing.
[13:51] <seb128> :-)
[13:54] <Laney> GunnarHj: Well, you moved my brain state, so I just uploaded a fix for that bug. :P
[13:55] <GunnarHj> Laney: Great, thanks for letting me know. :)
[14:06]  * Laney updates face state
[14:06] <Laney> ...that means I'm getting food
[14:09] <didrocks> enjoy!
[14:58] <davmor2> yay for having spare machines that reproduce kvm issues so devs can poke at is to their hearts content \o/
[14:59] <davmor2> s/is/it
[15:00] <davmor2> seb128, Laney: xps13 reproduced the no apps listed issue and Trevinho is poking at it now \o/
[15:00] <seb128> good
[15:00] <seb128> where did you discuss it?
[15:00] <seb128> if there was a discussion between you and Trevinho on the topic I would have expected it to be on this channel
[15:01] <davmor2> seb128: could give out access details on a public channel otherwise I would of :)
[15:02] <seb128> you can discuss the issue on a public channel and send the cred on the side in a query you know? ;-
[15:02] <seb128> ;-)
[15:02] <davmor2> seb128: which is what I just did :P
[15:02] <seb128> cool
[15:05] <davmor2> seb128, Laney, Trevinho: I ran the cd checker on the usb pendrive that came back clean and I ran the md5sums on my image to make sure that matched both came back matched, so the image and install should be good
[15:29] <davmor2> Trevinho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1666495 this was the original bug I filed so we just need to spread the love around to zeitgeist then right?
[15:29] <Trevinho> davmor2: yeah...
[15:30] <Trevinho> davmor2: someone asked to review that zeitgeist change some time ago, but... I don't remember who mhmhm
[15:31] <davmor2> I'm just glad you could tinker and find the fault :)
[15:32] <Laney> Trevinho: which change?
[15:32] <Laney> the systemd thing?
[15:33] <Trevinho> Laney: yep
[15:33] <Trevinho> Laney: that pre-start script fails on first run
[15:34] <Trevinho> Laney: because of
[15:34] <Trevinho> m.vala:38: Impossible to open database `/home/tester/.local/share/zeitgeist/activity.sqlite': unable to open database file
[15:34] <Laney> ok
[15:34] <Trevinho> so... this causes the lenses not to work
[15:34] <Laney> so just make it exit 0 in that case
[15:34] <Trevinho> Laney: yep
[15:34] <Trevinho> Laney: that's enough in fact
[15:34] <Laney> that's what I would expect in the 'nothing to vaccum' scenario
[15:34] <Trevinho> who did that upload so that can fix it quickly?
[15:34] <Laney> dunno, just post a patch on the bug and I'll review it
[15:35] <Trevinho> Laney: actually I'd create also the stamp file, so that the first time it shows up there's no vacuum to do, maybe
[15:35] <davmor2> Laney: see I find all the funniest bugs
[15:35] <FJKong> Laney: I have modify diff of pygtk and open-vm-tools
[15:35] <Laney> FJKong: thx
[15:35] <Laney> Trevinho: what stamp file?
[15:36] <davmor2> Laney: we also discovered one for scaling in vnc desktop sharing too :D
[15:36] <Trevinho> Laney: it creates a stamp file not to do the vacuum all the times
[15:36] <Laney> in the wrapper
[15:36] <Trevinho> which... works after restarting I think, but not all the times
[15:37] <Laney> I would have expected a fix in the program itself
[15:37] <Laney> then the wrapper will make the stamp file anyway
[15:38] <davmor2> Trevinho: if you want a fresh install to double check things just let me know and I can set everything back up to the broken state and ping you back
[15:50] <Trevinho> davmor2, Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/1666495/comments/6
[15:50] <Laney> urgh
[15:50] <Laney> what happened to checking if the file exists?
[15:51] <davmor2> Trevinho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1668309
[15:51] <Trevinho> Laney: well the path is actually something that could change and in general we can't rely on that... Failing is fine for that tool. We've just to care the problem
[15:51] <Trevinho> not* to care ...
[15:52] <Laney> ?!?!?!
[15:52] <Laney> it calls an internal function to get the path
[15:52] <Laney> if that's returning the wrong thing something is quite off
[15:53] <finexbeer> hi
[16:03] <Trevinho> Laney: the tool is returning the right stuff, but it's fine to fail if the file isn't there I think...
[16:04] <Trevinho> ok, we control both the script and the tool, but imho the tool should fail if called and there's no DB (if you consider it as a standalone thing that you also might run manually)
[16:07] <Laney> well, that's a difference then, I would expect it to succeed personally (maybe while printing a message)
[16:07] <Laney> you should be able to write a script "#!/bin/sh\nset -e\nzeitgeist-vaccum\nzeitgeist" and have that work on first run
[16:08] <Trevinho> mh, if you prefer so... but in general, if you call a tool that has to do something in a file... And that file isn't there, is quite normal that it fails, unless you don't pass to it a flag to force on failure
[16:09] <Laney> depends how you expect it to be used
[16:09] <jbicha> Trevinho: did you see my ping about bug 1665902 ? since it seems loosely related to the current topic
[16:09] <Laney> if you think calling it before the first run is normal then it's fine to treat that as a normal code path
[16:12] <Trevinho> jbicha: ah, right... I actually saw it, but I wasn't able to find it again in the backlog
[16:12] <jbicha> I only pinged by subscribing you to the bug
[16:14] <Laney> Trevinho: jbicha: You can move the script into the packaging (make it call zeitgeist --vacuum instead of zeitgeist-vacuum) and then the patch is just modifying the dbus service file and systemd unit
[16:14] <Trevinho> Laney: so I think merging jbicha change is better, then we should just update the script to call that command; using "-" in exec is still needed thogh
[16:15] <pitti> jbicha, Laney, seb128: hm, I must say, not a fan of enabling tracker by default; it's a ridiculously heavy hammer for typeahead serach
[16:15] <Laney> tracker?
[16:15] <Trevinho> jbicha: can you take care of that?
[16:15] <pitti> how expensive can it be to readdir() a single dir for typeahead search?
[16:15] <Laney> Trevinho: If you don't care for my input then do what you want
[16:15] <pitti> Laney: on -desktop@ (22.02.17 14:45 Jeremy Bicha      Nautilus 3.24 and dropping type-ahead search, adding tracker)
[16:15] <Laney> pitti: We have a patch for that currently and it broke
[16:15] <Laney> so... either someone updates it or we do without
[16:16] <Trevinho> Laney: I do care... But if you see the "--vacuum" option is still returning non-zero if fails, so...
[16:16] <seb128> pitti, hey, right same here
[16:16] <Laney> and in the latter case then either we have tracker or we don't
[16:16] <pitti> seb128, Laney: right, I was mostly curious whether you actually plan to enable tracker by default or not
[16:16] <seb128> Laney, right, which is what pitti votes -1 for
[16:16] <Laney> ok
[16:16] <Laney> I understand that
[16:16] <seb128> if I understand what he said correctly
[16:16] <Laney> I'm just explaining
[16:16] <pitti> not that I care personally still (pcmanfm works quite nicely), but IMHO this is absurd
[16:17] <Laney> It's not a case of readdir being expensive, more a maintenance issue with the patch
[16:17] <Laney> in Ubuntu's case anyway
[16:17] <pitti> Laney: right, I'm mostly blaming upstream's design here
[16:17] <seb128> Laney, what are you discussing?
[16:17] <Laney> can't speak for upstream
[16:17] <pitti> I do appreciate that maintaining this patch is too expensive
[16:18] <pitti> AFAICS, the choice is mostly between "enable tracker by default" and "disable typeahead search by default"
[16:18] <seb128> unsure what we are debating over
[16:18] <jbicha> seb128: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-February/004849.html
[16:18] <seb128> how typeahead is working or not?
[16:18] <finexbeer> what makes ubuntu so special than adear linux distribution??
[16:18] <seb128> jbicha, thanks that I knew
[16:18] <seb128> but pitti point seemed mostly about tracker
[16:18] <pitti> seb128: well, "debating", I was curious whether you plan to enable tracker by default or not
[16:18] <seb128> not about typeahead
[16:18] <seb128> right
[16:18] <seb128> but Laney started explained the status of the typeahead patch
[16:18] <seb128> so I was wondering
[16:18] <pitti> yeah, and that's related
[16:19] <Laney> I thought it was relevant?
[16:19] <Laney> not trying to start any trollish debate or anything if that's what you thought
[16:19] <pitti> jbicha's mail sounds like "if we drop the patch (understandable) and not enable tracker,then there's no typeahead search any more"?
[16:20] <pitti> I could have misunderstood it; jbicha?
[16:20] <pitti> i. e. I'm not trying to tell you "maintain that patch, d***it", but more like into an upstream direction of "what were you thinking!?" :/
[16:21] <jbicha> csoriano told me that search in nautilus is slow without tracker so he recommended that tracker be enabled
[16:21] <pitti> well, slow is okay
[16:21] <seb128> Laney, no, I'm just not sure where you were trying to get at, it looked like you explained things that people here don't need explained so it felt weird
[16:21] <pitti> everything is slow with tracker, so at least penalize the operation that actually needs it :)
[16:21] <pitti> I was a bit afraid you were saying "it doesn't work at all any more"
[16:21] <Laney> seb128: right, well this side discussion is derailing the main one so I'll step out now
[16:22] <seb128> Laney, k, I should so the same
[16:22] <Laney> bad 20 minutes for me, my zeitgeist idea was rejected and now this one
[16:22]  * Laney goes back to polishing up a patch
[16:22] <pitti> ok, sorry, seems I asked at a bad time
[16:22] <seb128> Laney, did I reject anything? :-(
[16:22] <pitti> (just saw jbicha's mail)
[16:22] <seb128> it's just that we have 2 issues there
[16:22] <seb128> - the typeahead patch needs ported or dropped
[16:22] <Laney> pitti: nope, just my attempt to be helpful wasn't in fact so I step out now
[16:22] <seb128> then jbicha proposal to enable tracker by default
[16:23] <seb128> we could enable indexing while still having typeahead afaik
[16:23] <pitti> this still sounds completely wrong
[16:23] <seb128> yeah
[16:23] <seb128> I'm against enabling tracker by default
[16:23] <seb128> it's a complex piece of code to maintain and has performances impact
[16:24] <pitti> how can a single readdir() be worse than even asking tracker for filtering on a single dir (not even considering the irresponsible overhead of tracker in the first place)
[16:24] <seb128> pitti, I think the issue is not readdir(), it's that nautilus search is recursive
[16:24] <seb128> so if you enter "deb" in your userdir it crawls through subdirs
[16:24] <jbicha> teh tracker maintainer claims that tracker's performance impact is less of a problem now according to his comments on bug 1666676
[16:24] <pitti> uh
[16:25] <pitti> seb128: well, an one-level typeahead search sounds quite enough? but oh well, I figure there's little point in trying to swim against the stream here..
[16:25] <seb128> pitti, well, I think the stream agree with you
[16:25] <davmor2> Trevinho: I take it you have finished with the xps13 so I can take down the open port right?
[16:25] <seb128> or at least I do and previous user feedback in launchpad suggests we are not alone
[16:25] <Trevinho> davmor2: yeah
[16:26] <jbicha> there's a checkbox in zesty's nautilus to turn off "search in subfolders" but I'm not sure that turning it off by default is better for users
[16:26] <davmor2> no worries thanks
[16:26] <seb128> jbicha, it still reads everything on disk to index
[16:26] <pitti> yeah, there's a principal lower boundary of how efficient it can be
[16:26] <seb128> jbicha, if we turn it off then there is probably no need of tracker, as pitti said a readdir() should not be slow
[16:26] <Trevinho> jbicha: I'm trying to use your debdiff, but then quilt doesn't apply patches to me :o
[16:28] <Trevinho> anyway if you can re-enable the script to call zeitgeist --vacuum instead and set the prestart script to that...
[16:28] <Trevinho> it would be fine to me
[16:31] <pitti> seb128, jbicha: yeah, and who would expect a fully recursive search with typeahead? normally typeahead searches in the things that are actually displayed, and that's just the dir itself
[16:31] <pitti> fully recursive is still the "find" (Ctrl+Alt+F or so?) thing, and that's okay to be slow, isn't it?
[16:31] <pitti> so mabye I just misunderstood the email
[16:32] <seb128> pitti, upstream argument is that the full search is sorting results and so you don't need typeahead anymore since validating the first result of the search is an equivalent in their mind
[16:32] <seb128> which I don't agree with
[16:33] <seb128> I should probably give it another try, but last time I did it was not working quite as well as typeahead, especially the screen layour/content keeps changing as you type which is disturbing
[16:36] <jbicha> the gnome3-staging zesty nautilus package has the broken type-ahead patch disabled but it still has the tracker patch
[16:37] <jbicha> so you could compare with XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME nautilus
[16:37] <jbicha> be sure to do 'pkill nautilus' or similar since nautilus like to keep running in the background
[16:39] <seb128> k, I'm going to give a try to current zesty this week and play with that as well while I'm at it
[16:39] <seb128> but I needs to step out for an hour or so now
[16:39] <seb128> bbl
[16:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: The langpack build seems to have worked for all the languages for touch.
[18:42] <willcooke> night all
[19:17] <davmor2> hey guys how can I figure out whay is triggering systemd-udevd to 100% all the time and why are the 22 of them running
[19:26] <Kinu> Hi
[19:26] <Kinu> can some one helo me out
[19:26] <Kinu> help
[19:27] <Kinu> I am facing some problem with the Bruetoth
[19:27] <Kinu> bluetooth
[19:28] <Kinu> I have installed lubuntu 16.04.2 yesterday


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[21:10] <k1l_> bumblebee is deprecated since some time on ubuntu since ubuntu supports the original nvidia-prime


[00:37] <StevenK> Bleh, I do not get why setting date_* on creation means two tests fail
[02:03] <StevenK> wgrant: So the issue is the validator for the date_* properties
[02:04] <StevenK> If they don't call validate_conjoined_attribute, the tests don't fail
[02:04] <StevenK> wgrant: Is the @block_implicit_flushes decorator to blame?
[02:09] <wgrant> StevenK: it could be.
[02:10] <StevenK> Blah, using PassthroughValue(bugtask.datecreated) doesn't cause the tests to pass
[02:10] <StevenK> Well, it does if I set the attributes directly, but not if I call _setStatusDateProperties
[02:56] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6286668/
[02:57] <wgrant> StevenK: I guess that works.
[02:57] <wgrant> Does it works?
[02:59] <StevenK> wgrant: The test I added in the previous branch and all of the failures from buildbot pass.
[02:59] <wgrant> Sounds sane
[04:20] <StevenK> wgrant: Hmm, Also affects project doesn't allow you to set the status on creation
[04:26] <wgrant> StevenK: Correct.
[04:28] <StevenK> wgrant: But then I can't check that the properties are set correctly for createManyTasks?
[04:29] <wgrant> StevenK: Probably only for filing a new one, correct.
[04:29] <wgrant> But even that uses createManyTasks
[04:29] <wgrant> s/one/bug/
[04:30] <StevenK> Well, date_triaged works, at least.
[04:32] <StevenK> wgrant: Hm, so postgres will expand * to every column, but not date* ?
[04:32] <StevenK> Or is * actually special and not expanded?
[04:36] <wgrant> StevenK: * is special.
[04:50] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6287016/ pleases you?
[04:53] <wgrant> StevenK: And you've tested that all other ways to create tasks don't crash?
[04:53] <StevenK> wgrant: Also affects product does not crash
[04:53] <StevenK> I'm trying to recall others
[04:54] <wgrant> Targetting, distro tasks
[04:55] <StevenK> wgrant: Targetting 1206155 to Staging works fine
[04:56] <StevenK> And added an eglibc task onto 1206154 fine
[04:56] <StevenK> wgrant: I can't file a new bug that will have conjoined tasks on it?
[05:02] <wgrant> StevenK: Not unless you can file it directly on a distroseries or productseries.
[05:08] <StevenK> wgrant: Doesn't look like it
[05:38] <StevenK> wgrant: Looking at bug 1234497, I've created a product and a series, created a proprietary bug on the product, created another bug targetted to the series, and then removed the product task. I can then set the product to proprietary, but it should fail, right?
[05:38] <_mup_> Bug #1234497: Project series bug tasks on proprietary project can target non-proprietary bugs <oem-services> <oops> <privacy> <private-projects> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234497>
[05:38] <wgrant> StevenK: Right.
[05:38] <wgrant> The check only looks directly for product tasks.
[05:40] <StevenK> Right, and milestones are always going to be targetted at a series, so all bugs for the product and its series should be fine.
[05:40] <StevenK> milestoned bugs, that is
[05:40] <wgrant> A milestone isn't a bug target.
[15:39] <harishnavnit> hi
[15:45] <harishnavnit> i'm facing an error when facing an error when i run "make schema" in the devel directory
[15:45] <harishnavnit> here's the output log http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6289662/
[15:49] <harishnavnit> and when i run the utilities/link-external-sourcecode , i get the error stating "Parent branch not specified and hence could not be discovered."
[15:49] <harishnavnit> can anyone please help me resolving this ? Thanks


[14:35] <p7f> hi: anyone knows how to create empty files in ubuntu budgie? There is no Templates folder in home...
[14:36] <p7f> i mean, create them from file manager instead of creating it from terminal


[00:03] <poufate> hi, i am new in ubunut some recomeds?
[01:35] <bornagainpenguin> I'm trying to run down a problem but I'm having a hard time finding the words to describe it. Hoping that others here either recognize the issue or can give me the keywords so I can run it down myself.
[01:36] <bornagainpenguin> Basically when I scroll through a directory in Caja it's not refreshing properly and leaving visual artifacts in the file manager window.
[01:36] <bornagainpenguin> (Doesn't affect Firefox so I don't think it's driver related.)
[01:36] <bornagainpenguin> If it matters (and it probably does) I'm using compiz-reloaded.
[01:37] <bornagainpenguin> I'm running this on a HP G62 notebook with Ubuntu-Mate 16.04.3 LTS.
[01:42] <bornagainpenguin> Did any of my previous message get through? Using the browser version of IRC and I had to enable scripts.
[02:30] <bornagainpenguin> YES! Now I'm here with Hexchat. The only question is if there's anyone else in here with me that's active...
[02:34] <bornagainpenguin> Hello?
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[02:42] <bornagainpenguin> Yes?
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[02:42] <bornagainpenguin> Thanks.
[02:46] <swift110> hey bornagainpenguin
[02:52] <bornagainpenguin> Well crud. I think I found the answer to my question; it's just not an answer I was hoping for.
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