[07:04] <BuffaloSoldier> what's the future plan for default MTA? Is it will still be Postfix? Any plans to change to Exim or etc?
[07:05] <henkjan> i've not seen any discussion about the default MTA in ubuntu
[07:06] <henkjan> but both postfix and exim are in main, so fully supported
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> There hasn't been any mention of a change on the mailing list at least.
[08:46] <BuffaloSoldier> thanks henkjan and tonyyarusso for the info :)
[08:50] <highvoltage> soren: howdy
[08:51] <soren> highvoltage: Hey :)
[08:52] <henkjan> http://capslockday.com/
[08:53] <henkjan> ALL IN CAPS TODAY
[08:53] <highvoltage> soren: I hope it's ok for me to ask you directly, but I assumed that pretty much any core 2 duo supports the virtualisation required to use KVM, was that a bad assumption?
[08:53] <hads> Not all
[08:54] <highvoltage> ah, I just found out that my specific one isn't supported :'(
[08:54]  * highvoltage crawls into fetal position and cries
[08:54] <henkjan> highvoltage: bad luck
[08:55] <henkjan> highvoltage: its not only your mobo that has VM extensions disabled?
[08:57] <highvoltage> henkjan: a friend just let me know that the T5750 (which I happen to have) is one of the few cpu's that don't support it. I guess it's just bad luck. next time I'll check that carefully before buying new hardware.
[08:58] <henkjan> highvoltage: ah, i found a list with core 2 duo's without VT at http://www.chiplist.com/ChipList2/chiplist_display_section.php?id=2205&page_number=&chiplist_version_major=&chiplist_version_minor=&chiplist_version_revision=&chiplist_version_extension=&chiplist_version_release_date=&chapter_number=19&section_number=2&subsection_number=0&paragraph_number=0&view_mode=tree2a&expansion=2
[08:58] <henkjan> highvoltage: realy bad luck for you
[08:59] <soren> highvoltage: Yeah, I'm afraid there's a few that don't. I never quite understood why :/
[08:59] <Koon> henkjan: also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#Intel_Virtualization_Technology_.28Intel_VT.29
[08:59] <Koon> "Core 2 Duo all except E8190, E7xxx, E4xxx, T5200-T5550, T5750"
[09:00] <hads> And some older ones
[09:00] <henkjan> highvoltage: any change to return your proc to the shop for a VT enabled one?
[09:02] <highvoltage> henkjan: that's a good idea. I'll call them today
[09:03] <Koon> highvoltage: if you tell them you want a T7xxx they will probably be happy to sell you a extra $$
[09:04] <kraut> moin
[09:04]  * Koon grumbles for having missed bug 287126
[09:05] <highvoltage> Koon: *nod*
[10:49] <Helder_Geocrete> Here's the thing... My company need's to assemble a new server, and i'm thinking on a VPN solution for the job, using the Ubuntu Server Edition. The idea is to remotely share folders and maybe printers (dunow if it is possible), authenticate using the server dhcp and work as if they were working on the LAN. Plus, I'm may need to remotely administrate the server, so if anyone has any...
[10:49] <Helder_Geocrete> ...sugestion on tools or suggestions that I can use for the job, I'd be thankfull (sorry for my english, I'm portuguese :))
[10:50] <Helder_Geocrete> BTW - I've searched the web and came up with the openVPN and openSSH solutions, dunow if they will do the trick :)
[10:50] <hylje> hmph, box doesn't like booting from the cd
[10:51] <Helder_Geocrete> (forgot to mention that the client machines will be using windows XP professional)
[10:51] <hylje> (it's a ibm eseries xseries 335 from circa 2003-2004)
[10:52] <hylje> with no ability to produce floppies i'm leaning towards network setup; would that be feasible at all?
[10:53] <hylje> Helder_Geocrete: look up samba and what it can do for you. it doesn't however do VPN, that's for sure
[10:54] <Koon> Helder_Geocrete: by "remotely" you mean "over an untrusted network" ?
[10:54] <Koon> Helder_Geocrete: if this is the case, there are two different issues in your project : secure remote access and print/fail sharing
[10:55] <Helder_Geocrete> yep
[10:55] <Helder_Geocrete> that's the thing i'm after
[10:55] <Koon> openVPN can handle the first part in a Windows-firendly way
[10:55] <Koon> samba is your best bet for the second part
[10:56] <Helder_Geocrete> :)
[10:56] <Helder_Geocrete> so I don't need openSSH, right?
[10:56] <Koon> well you could do the VPN tunnel with openssh too
[10:57] <Helder_Geocrete> but openVPN is more windows Friendly, right?
[10:57] <Koon> but I would advise using openVPN as it is better integrated with Windows
[10:57] <Helder_Geocrete> yep...a must in this project...
[10:57] <Helder_Geocrete> thanks for the tips
[10:58] <Koon> Helder_Geocrete: np, I hope you'll succeed ;)
[10:58] <Helder_Geocrete> btw hylje, don't you need to boot from cd in order to access the network setup?
[10:58] <Helder_Geocrete> or does the PC boots itself from the network?
[10:58] <Helder_Geocrete> thanks ;)
[11:17] <Koon> mathiaz: about bug 287126, I prepared a debdiff on that bug, should I subscribe ubuntu-release now or just look for sponsoring first ?
[11:24] <mathiaz> Koon: I've subscribed ubuntu-release and will sponsor it once we've got the ack.
[11:24] <mathiaz> Koon: it's not RC critical, so that will have to wait until RC is released.
[11:48] <Omahn> Hello server people. I noticed in the recent server team minutes that you are looking for testing on ESX. I have access to a ESX cluster and would be more than happy to assist as we're currently evaluating Ubuntu server to run on it anyway, sounds like a nice win win to me..
[11:49] <[Solars]> can a server have multiple identd running with different idents
[11:50] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall#JeOS%20Install%20on%20ESX
[11:51] <mathiaz> Omahn: ^^
[11:51] <mathiaz> Omahn: that seems like a good plan - please have a look at the url above
[11:51] <mathiaz> Omahn: we're currently testing the isos for 8.10 RC
[11:52] <mathiaz> Omahn: let me know if you have other questions.
[11:52] <Omahn> mathiaz: I'll check it out, thanks.
[11:53] <mathiaz> Omahn: if you could register at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[11:53] <mathiaz> Omahn: this is where we track the results
[11:53] <mathiaz> Omahn: for the -server cds, there is a test case for JeOS on ESX
[11:53] <mathiaz> Omahn: this is the test you could help with and report whether it succeeded or not
[11:54] <mathiaz> Omahn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures <- gives an overview of the ISO testing procedure
[11:55] <Omahn> Copied that too, thanks.
[11:57] <Omahn> I'm at a Linux expo tomorrow but hopefully I'll have some results on Friday.
[11:58] <mathiaz> Omahn: ok - by then 8.10 RC should be out
[11:58] <mathiaz> Omahn: so you could test that one.
[11:58] <Omahn> No problem.
[11:59] <Helder_Geocrete> hey... is it advisable to have a minimal graphical support (Xserver, for instance) in a Ubuntu Server for remote administration?
[12:01] <mathiaz> Helder_Geocrete: remote administration is mainly done via ssh and the command line
[12:01] <Helder_Geocrete> is webadmin a good tool?
[12:02] <mathiaz> Helder_Geocrete: if you still wanna have a gui on the server, you may wanna check the servergui page
[12:02] <mathiaz> !servergui | Helder_Geocrete
[12:02] <Helder_Geocrete> thanks for the tip :)
[13:27] <Deeps> W8TAH W8TAH THERES A FLY IN MY SOUP
[13:27] <Deeps> *ahem*
[13:27] <Omahn> Am I right in thinking that Ubuntu JEOS is just an option from the Ubuntu Server ISO now?
[13:27] <W8TAH> excuse me?
[13:27] <Deeps> W8TAH: sorry, bad joke.
[13:27] <mathiaz> Omahn: correct
[13:27] <Omahn> mathiaz: Thanks.
[13:27] <mathiaz> Omahn: the JeOS iso hasn't been merged into the -server iso
[13:28] <W8TAH> ahh -- W8TAH != waiter   W8TAH = whisky eight tango alpha hotel -- my amateur radio call sign
[13:28] <Omahn> mathiaz: I'm guessing it was just a different seed anyway?
[13:28] <mathiaz> Omahn: you can choose it by pressing F4 at boot
[13:28] <Deeps> hehe
[13:28] <Omahn> ah, ok. Is it a different kernel too?
[13:28] <mathiaz> Omahn: correct - a different seed is selected.
[13:28] <mathiaz> Omahn: the -virtual kernel is used and only ubuntu-minimal is installed.
[13:29] <mathiaz> Omahn: technically the -virtual kernel is just the -server kernel
[13:29] <Omahn> Ok.
[13:29] <mathiaz> Omahn: the difference is in the modules that are shipped.
[13:29] <Omahn> Just trying a test ESX install now..
[13:29] <mathiaz> Omahn: the -virtual kernel doesn't have *all* of the -server kernel modules
[13:30] <mathiaz> Omahn: -virtual has around 30M of modules while -server has more than 100M of modules
[13:31] <Omahn> That makes sense. Is it tuned to any particular hypervisor or just enough modules to cover kvm/esx?
[13:32] <Omahn> Oh dear. Caused a panic in the VCPU.
[13:32] <mathiaz> Omahn: hm - good question. soren or zul may have a better answer for that one
[13:33] <Omahn> Oct 22 13:31:36.999: vcpu-0| [msg.log.monpanic] *** VMware ESX Server internal monitor error ***
[13:33] <Omahn> Oct 22 13:31:36.999: vcpu-0| vcpu-0:NOT_IMPLEMENTED devices/lsilogic/lsilogic_monitor.c:1033 bugNr=45420
[13:33] <Omahn> That's not good.
[13:33] <soren> Omahn: It's meant to cover any known hypervisor.
[13:33] <zul> afaik its not optimized for one hypervisor over another
[13:33] <Omahn> np.
[13:34] <zul> Omahn: what if you use an IDE drive?
[13:34] <Omahn> zul: IDE is not supported on ESX.
[13:35] <zul> really? that sucks
[13:35] <Omahn> Hmm.
[13:35] <soren> zul: IDE? Yeah, tell me about it.
[13:35] <Omahn> Just trying again with a BusLogic SCSI adapter instead of LSI.
[13:36] <soren> The LSI one ought to work, though. Hm..
[13:37] <Omahn> LSI one in 8.04 works
[13:38] <soren> Oh, shite.
[13:38] <soren> Omahn: Could you please try with the server kernel?
[13:39] <Omahn> soren: This is the server iso.
[13:39] <Omahn> generic kernel by the looks of it though.
[13:39] <soren> O_o
[13:39] <soren> Oh, this is still in the installer, of course.
[13:39] <Omahn> True.
[13:40] <Omahn> ESX panic'd in the installer as soon as the modules loaded.
[13:40] <soren> Yes, the installer always uses the generic kernel, but might install a different one.
[13:42] <Omahn> Ok, installs fine with BusLogic adapter.
[13:42] <Omahn> *installs and boots
[13:43] <Omahn> Hasn't installed linux-virtual though.
[13:43] <Omahn> Has anyone else tested this on ESX yet?
[13:45] <Omahn> Guess not. I'll file a report.
[13:46] <soren> Don't know.
[13:48] <nijaba> Omahn: I think mathiaz was trying to test virtual on ESX but had some connectivity issues
[13:48] <mathiaz> Omahn: nope
[13:49] <mathiaz> Omahn: how did you check if linux-virtual was installed?
[13:49] <Omahn> dpkg -l linux-virtual
[13:50] <Omahn> I'm more concerned about the ESX panic. Just reporting it as a bug now.
[13:50] <mathiaz> Omahn: right - that's more important
[13:50] <mathiaz> Omahn: is ubuntu-standard installed?
[13:51] <Omahn> mathiaz: Yes.
[13:51] <Omahn> mathiaz: What logic are you using to determine the platform?
[13:51] <mathiaz> Omahn: hm - what do you mean?
[13:51] <mathiaz> Omahn: you have to manually select to install a minimal virtual machine at the boot?
[13:52] <Omahn> Ok. I just wondered if some auto detection was going on.
[13:52] <Omahn> Just trying again with LSI.
[13:52] <mathiaz> Omahn: no. soren has some plans to figure out if the machine is running as a guest. But that's not for intrepid.
[13:52] <mathiaz> Omahn: Boot CD, select your language and press F4, pick "Install a minimal virtual machine"
[13:53] <mathiaz> Omahn: ^^ that's what you have to manually do to install the -virtual flavor.
[13:53] <Omahn> np.
[13:55] <soren> Omahn: It was meant to happen, but I never got around to it. I've got detection code for several different hypervisors already. It just needs to get implemented in the installer.
[13:55] <Omahn> F4 gives 'Install a minimal system', is that the same as install a minimal VM?
[13:55] <soren> Yes.
[13:55] <Omahn> Cool. Trying amd64 this time.
[13:55] <mathiaz> Omahn: no
[13:56] <mathiaz> Omahn: you should get an 'Install minimal vm guest'
[13:56] <mathiaz> Omahn: there should be three options when you press F4.
[13:56] <Omahn> mathiaz: Afraid not. I get 'Install a minimal system', and only two options.
[13:56] <mathiaz> Omahn: which iso are you using?
[13:56] <mathiaz> Omahn: which version?
[13:57] <Omahn> both x86 and amd64, server-beta. md5s to follow:
[13:57] <mathiaz> Omahn: hm - I don't think the beta have the third option.
[13:57] <mathiaz> Omahn: could you try the latest iso?
[13:57] <mathiaz> Omahn: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20081022/
[13:58] <Omahn> Yeah, no problem, downloading now..
[13:58] <mathiaz> Omahn: the LSI bug may also be fixed
[13:58] <Omahn> Coool.
[14:01] <Omahn> And now we have three options :-)
[14:02] <yann2> nijaba > "iscsi support for interpid
[14:02] <yann2> kirkland looked into fixing existing bugs but it was decided that it was too late in the cycle to try fixing them. Work on iscsi has been deferred to the next cycle."
[14:02] <yann2> you got me worried - I thought iscsi was perfectly supported in hardy?
[14:03] <Omahn> It's looking good...
[14:03] <mathiaz> yann2: the state of iscsi in intrepid is the *same* as the one in hardy
[14:03] <mathiaz> yann2: there are a couple of issues with iscsi that were alredy present in hardy
[14:03] <yann2> yeah that's what I understood - does it mean it is perfectly usable for mission critical usage?
[14:04] <mathiaz> yann2: these haven't been fixed in intrepid
[14:04] <yann2> I'll have a look at launchpad...
[14:06] <yann2> mathiaz > is there any "serious" bug that should be considered in iscsi deployment?
[14:08] <mathiaz> yann2: hm - I'm trying to find the bug kirkland had been working on
[14:08] <Omahn> That daily server iso works *perfectly*
[14:08] <mathiaz> yann2: but I don't find it anymore. There are issues with the init script order IIRC
[14:08] <mathiaz> yann2: that's what kirkland was working on.
[14:08] <yann2> ok
[14:08] <mathiaz> yann2: you'll get more detail once he is online
[14:09] <yann2> thanks :)
[14:17] <mathiaz> Omahn: great!
[14:17] <mathiaz> Omahn: both amd64 and i386?
[14:20] <nijaba> yann2: iscsi issues we wanted to but did not fix are: booting from iscsi and iscsi boot order when publishing NFS from it.
[14:20] <Omahn> mathiaz: Just tested amd64 and that works too. Cool.
[14:20] <Omahn> I've updated the iso tracker with successes.
[14:21] <mathiaz> Omahn: are you pre500 on the iso tracker?
[14:21] <Omahn> mathiaz: Correct.
[14:22] <mathiaz> Omahn: are you subscribed to the ESX test cases?
[14:22] <Omahn> Just trying to work out how to :-)
[14:22] <Omahn> aha, I see.
[14:23] <Omahn> Done.
[14:24] <mathiaz> Omahn: awsome!
[14:24] <nijaba> Omahn: thanks a lot for your involvement here :)
[14:24] <mathiaz> Omahn: you'll get notified whenever there is a new build ready for testing
[14:24] <Omahn> Phew! I was getting worried with ESX panic'd with that beta ISO.
[14:25] <Omahn> nijaba: No problem. I've got access to a couple of large ESX clusters so I'll lend a hand whenever I can. Plus I'm hoping to move a lot of our systems to Solaris. It's a win win. :-)
[14:26] <nijaba> Omahn: great to hear.  Let us know if you think there is something we should improve in this area
[14:27] <Omahn> nijaba: Will do. I'm going to try and get more involved with the server stuff, time (and 7 month old baby!) permitting.
[14:34] <eagles0513875> i got a question related to dns granted im running it on kubuntu but if i experience sluggish internet load times for webpgs is that a sine that somehow my dns cache has become poisoned
[14:34] <eagles0513875> cuz i ran dns-clean script and things are back to normal
[14:34] <eagles0513875> does the dns cache need to be flushed once in a while
[14:36] <eagles0513875> can anyone enlighten me
[14:37] <ScottK> No and No.
[14:39] <eagles0513875> ScottK: ok and ok
[14:43] <nxvl> mathiaz: should say JauntyJackalope here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool
[14:45] <mathiaz> nxvl: fixed. thanks :)
[14:46]  * nxvl HUGS mathiaz
[14:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: thanks for fixing the raid installation.
[14:48] <mathiaz> kirkland: could you confirm that a manual installation of raid0 and raid5 works on amd64?
[14:48]  * eagles0513875 :(
[14:52] <\sh> what? frozen bubble should be removed? WAR !
[15:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: sure, no problem
[15:08] <sergevn> daturan: i fixed the problem with my tcp daemons, it was NFS, stopped it and now my servers keeps working perfect. :)
[15:27] <Eeyore-Jr> hi.  will ubuntu-ltsp clients work over a wireless connection?  well?
[15:32] <Eeyore-Jr> is it possible to use stand alone clients (those that do not connect to LTSP) and still have network login, home, and storage directories?
[15:35] <Eeyore-Jr> can i use ubuntu-ltsp server to serve e17?
[15:40] <espacious> hi which packets should i install on my server to just access cacti over a browser?
[15:40] <espacious> cacti - Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services
[15:40] <espacious> cacti-cactid - Multi-Threading poller for cacti
[15:40] <espacious> libpam-blue - PAM module for local authenticaction with bluetooth devices
[15:41] <espacious> ups sorry for the dumb paste
[15:47] <jcastro> mathiaz: it's that time of the year! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[15:54] <nijaba> jcastro: I think a more accurate statement would be it is that time of the *semester*
[16:01] <mathiaz> jcastro: hm - should I put up a session about the server team?
[16:01] <jcastro> mathiaz: sure, or multiple ones. :D
[16:02] <jcastro> mathiaz: something I think would be neat would be an overview of new server features
[16:03] <mathiaz> jcastro: hm - that could be interesting indeed.
[16:03] <mathiaz> jcastro: I've added an Ubuntu Server Team slot
[16:03] <mathiaz> jcastro: I could run the same introduction to the server team
[16:04] <mathiaz> jcastro: I'll think about it
[16:04] <jcastro> cool
[16:04] <mathiaz> jcastro: that's the week after release right?
[16:06] <jcastro> mathiaz: yep
[16:24] <akuma55> hello ppl has anybody tryed to install ird-hybrid
[16:29] <hylje> if i'm to install a server using netboot through a crossover cable to another computer, i do to put up services for 1) providing internet to the netbootee 2) providing the ftp for the boot image 3) provide a dhcp instructing the netbootee
[16:36] <hylje> did i forget anything before i commit into it?
[17:56] <Chipzz> hylje: yes. you don't use *FTP* for the boot image, you use *T*FTP*
[17:56] <Chipzz> not the same thing
[17:58] <Chipzz> hylje: I've recently set up a lot of debian servers with netinstall, and I used 1) dhcp server 2) tftp server 3) some apt cache thing
[17:58] <Chipzz> you can replace 3) with internet access oc if you only need it for one server
[17:59] <Chipzz> and 4) nameserver
[17:59] <Chipzz> which you don't need oc if you give it internet access
[18:01] <Eeyore-Jr> is this a dev only channel?
[18:01] <ScottK> Eeyore-Jr: No.
[18:02] <ScottK> Eeyore-Jr: Please read /topic
[18:03] <Eeyore-Jr> what is the landscape tool?
[18:05] <mathiaz_> Eeyore-Jr: http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape
[18:08] <Eeyore-Jr> thx.  landscape is for canocial customers only i see
[18:09] <Eeyore-Jr> upon installation of ubuntu server there is no ltsp option.  is that now a pay only option ?
[18:10] <sommer> Eeyore-Jr: you probably want edubunt
[18:11] <Eeyore-Jr> edubuntu comes with a lot of educational software and ubuntu iirc.  i was considering e17 instead of the ubuntu desktop
[18:11] <Eeyore-Jr> but i'm unsure
[18:11] <sommer> you can always install whatever desktop you'd like then switch to it, or set it as the default
[18:14] <Eeyore-Jr> k
[18:26] <hylje> Chipzz: thanks
[18:52] <hylje> the notion of setting up a (minimal) repository instead seems more ideal and less risky
[18:52] <spiritssight1> can I get help with geting my server working again
[18:53] <hylje> what problem(s) do you have?
[18:53] <Chipzz> hylje: I wasn't suggesting that; there's software like apt-cacher and apt-proxy that can do the same
[18:53] <spiritssight1> when I type the address (URL) it says it can not connect
[18:53] <Chipzz> but if you're only installing one machine and are planning on getting it right the first time, that probably isn't necessary
[18:54] <hylje> well there's a lot to be said in setting up the network
[18:55] <spiritssight1> How can I tell if the server is running correct apachie and php stuff
[18:55] <spiritssight1> I am using 8.10 of ubuntu desktop with lamp installed
[18:55] <hylje> what's the exact error message?
[18:56] <hylje> can you ping the machine?
[18:57] <spiritssight1> go to http://cpe-eagle.homedns.org/\
[18:57] <spiritssight1> I don't know much about this stuff, so how would I try to ping
[18:57] <Chipzz> uhm
[18:57]  * Chipzz frowns
[18:57] <Chipzz> anyway
[18:58] <Chipzz> who is working on landscape here?
[18:59] <Chipzz> hylje: apt-cacher and apt-proxy all work to a different degree (they all have their problems iirc)
[18:59] <Chipzz> don't remember which one I used for that setup though
[19:00] <Chipzz> apt-proxy apparently
[19:00] <Chipzz> hylje: using a tool like apt-proxy will save you the trouble of doing the mirroring etc
[19:00] <hylje> yes
[19:02] <Chipzz> wrt landscape: I administer a number of debian machines, and was planning on creating my own system based on apticron + an MTA + procmail/something similar to parse the mails apticron sends
[19:03] <spiritssight1> hylje: how do I ping and how do I check to see if apachie and the php stuff is running
[19:03] <Chipzz> anyway just wondering how far landscape is, and if contributions would be accepted
[19:03] <spiritssight1> I just looked in the sesion area and don't see any thing in there
[19:03] <Chipzz> spiritssight1: echo '<?php phpinfo() ?>' > phpinfo.php
[19:03] <Chipzz> in a directory that's accessible through apache
[19:03] <Chipzz> and then access the phpinfo.php file through your browser
[19:04] <Chipzz> "session area"?
[19:04] <Chipzz> anyway bbl
[19:07] <spiritssight1> ok I have done that now what would I type to access it in the FF localhost://phpinfo.php or different
[19:11] <spiritssight1> Ok I can access my website using http://localhost but its not working for the public
[19:15] <spiritssight1> any one able to help I can not access my server from a brower but I can if I type localhost
[19:25] <hylje> hmh
[19:25] <indigo23> Is there a free Cpanel Interface out there for hosting multiple websites? I need something where i can create user accounts so that my webdesigners can create sites and test them.
[19:29] <hylje> great, dnsmasq works
[19:29] <hylje> now to figure out how to NAT the net
[19:32] <indigo23> anyone here familiar with VHCS Pro 2.2
[19:39] <J_P> people, in my server on http area show this line: "Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.3 with Suhosin-Patch mod_wsgi/1.3 Python/2.5.2 Server at <IP_ADDRESS> Port 80" How I do for change that value, for example hide the name Ubuntu and so one ?
[19:41] <indigo23> what is the command to verify you have a certain package installed
[19:43] <J_P> indigo23: apt-get insatll package
[19:43] <nijaba> indigo23: dpkg -l | grep pkgname
[19:45] <indigo23> thanks
[19:49] <[Solars]> whats the chmod number for the typical read/write/move
[19:50] <[Solars]> this are media files and some docs
[19:51] <hibana> [Solars]: depends
[19:51] <hibana> what you mean with move?
[19:52]  * hibana only knows about read/write/execute
[19:52] <[Solars]> i guess allow users to move the files, read the files, delete the files, etc
[19:53] <[Solars]> so i guess just metn r/w
[19:53] <hibana> read (4), write (2), and execute (1)
[19:53] <hylje> yaaaay the contraption network-wise works
[19:54] <[Solars]> hibana so what magic number ? 766?
[19:54] <hibana> then there is the matter of user / group / others
[19:54] <hibana> and also file vs folder
[19:55] <[Solars]> right right
[19:56] <hibana> chmod 764 would give a use all rights, the group read and write and all others just read
[19:56] <hibana> s/a use/a user/
[19:57] <hibana> a folder with chmod 750 would give a user all rights, the group list and chdir rights and all others no rights
[19:59] <hibana> to be allowed to delete you need write rights
[20:01] <[Solars]> i thnk 764 is what i wanted
[20:01] <[Solars]> now i have 4 folders that I don't want to be deleted
[20:01] <[Solars]> but the contents within can be manipulated
[20:02] <hibana> [Solars]: manipulated using what?
[20:21] <ScottK> leonel: How's clamav patching going?
[20:21] <ScottK> leonel: 0.94.1 releases 3 Nov, so expect likely more then.
[20:53] <ClaesBas> Why does "do-release-upgrade -d" want  88.1M free space on /boot????
[20:59] <sommer> ClaesBas: the kernel, the initramfs, and such
[20:59] <leonel> ScottK: the patch is ready, but I really didn't saw a critical one as you can see on launchpad, and sorry  it got down on the Todo list ...
[21:00] <leonel> ScottK: let's roll for 0.94.1   ... will it be ported  to hardy ??  what can  I do ?
[21:01] <ScottK> leonel: The first step is going to be getting it tested on Intrepid as I hope to get permission for a post-release update there.
[21:01] <ScottK> Then backports should be fairly straightforward.
[21:01] <ScottK> leonel: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2008/10/clamav_plans_in_ubuntu.html
[21:02] <ClaesBas> sommer: You can't mean that Ubuntu needs 88M on /boot for a upgrade!?
[21:02] <ClaesBas> I think this is a bug!
[21:05] <ClaesBas> I have 12M on my /boot now (before my try to upgrade and 79M free)
[21:07] <ClaesBas> Let me see, if it's not a bug, then 8.10 needs more then 7 times the space then 8.04...
[21:14] <leonel> ScottK: great !
[21:17] <sommer> ClaesBas: it may be a bug, you'll probably get a better answer #ubuntu-installer
[21:21] <ClaesBas> sommer: Thanks, I try that channel...
[21:21] <ClaesBas> Why does "do-release-upgrade -d" want  88.1M free space on /boot ?
[21:22] <ClaesBas> I only have 12M on my /boot now (8.04)!
[21:22] <ClaesBas> Sorry....
[21:22] <ClaesBas> I have to go there also.....


[00:03] <guest-1> command s/remove is not working.
[00:03] <LuMint> teward: have some :)
[00:03] <LuMint> i'll have some tea
[00:04] <LuMint> guest-1: it's not a bash command.
[00:04] <LuMint> guest-1: dpkg -l linux
[00:04] <guest-1> sudo s/remove ?
[00:04] <LuMint> sorry, dpkg -l linux*
[00:05] <guest-1> I see now it is the disk space. I need to free more space.
[00:05] <LuMint> u do
[00:05] <LuMint> delete old kernels and kernel headers and stuff you don't use anymore.
[00:05] <LuMint> but not all kernels, leave at least two working kernels
[00:06] <LuMint> kernels have linux-image in their names.
[00:06] <guest-1> So i type in this in terminal ?  dpkg -l linux*
[00:07] <teward> guest-1: yes
[00:07] <guest-1> Something happens.. much text rolling up.
[00:09] <guest-1> what now, look for updates again ? run the updates ? It is also say i have a broken package.
[00:10] <LuMint> you sure you ran "dpkg -l linux*"?
[00:11] <guest-1> yes, but i am not sure it works properly.
[00:11] <LuMint> guest-1: now you delete the kernels you don't need anymore. then you solve your dependency issue with aptitude
[00:11] <LuMint> guest-1: okay, then dpkg -l linux* | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:13] <guest-1> I write all this in terminal  ?   dpkg -l linux* | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:14] <guest-1> I have done it.
[00:14] <LuMint> link please
[00:15] <guest-1> http://termbin.com/q8sw
[00:16] <guest-1> Reinstall required ?
[00:24] <guest-1> Maybe on this computer i shud install and loder version of lubuntu where it is no updates anymore. that way i dont get any problem with the disk space.
[00:24] <guest-1> *older
[00:30] <guest-1> anyone here ?
[00:35] <guest-1> Lumint: what is the link tells you about my installation ?
[00:36] <LuMint> guest-1: where does it say you have broken packages?
[00:36] <LuMint> OMG
[00:37] <LuMint> guest-1: leave two kernels delete the rest
[00:38] <guest-1> I try to run the package manager and fix broken packages. Then when i applay it tells me about broken package(s).
[00:38] <LuMint> that is "sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-4.2.0-36-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-36"
[00:38] <LuMint> you should change TWO WORKING KERNELS THAT WORK FOR YOU
[00:38] <LuMint> and PURGE THE REST
[00:39] <guest-1> Why is it chnage kernel anyway in the updates ? it is needed to renew the kernel all the time ?
[00:41] <LuMint> because there are kernel updates. yes it is.
[00:41] <LuMint> but you don't keep them all
[00:42] <guest-1> What if i instal for example lubuntu 13.10 ? I will keep my disk space because there is no updates.
[00:42] <guest-1> Will i get a new firfox when i install the first time ?
[00:45] <guest-1> this is to complicated. I had a simular problem last year.
[00:46] <teward> guest-1: 13.10 is ancient and unsupported
[00:46] <teward> by anyone
[00:46] <teward> you won't get a "new" firefox.
[00:47] <guest-1> Some versions have a new firefox i remember. and then no updates.
[00:48] <guest-1> I think 8GB will be full with time. after many updates i will get this problem over and over again.
[00:49] <LuMint> what did I say you should do?
[00:51] <guest-1> remove old kernels.
[00:52] <guest-1> How can i past in terminal ?
[00:52] <guest-1> paste
[00:52] <LuMint> ctrl+insert
[00:53] <LuMint> do that with other old kernels YOU DONT USE
[00:53] <LuMint> not just with -36
[00:54] <guest-1> nothing happens with ctrl+insert
[00:54] <guest-1> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-4.2.0-36-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-36
[00:54] <guest-1> I try to insert this.
[00:56] <guest-1> the terminal is frozen.
[00:58] <LuMint> guest-1: after you're done do the  uname -a and see what kernel ur using. Purge the rest. Hope you'll figure it out.
[00:58] <LuMint> feel free to leave some two random kernels just in fucking case
[00:59] <LuMint> e.g. in case you change your hardware
[01:00] <guest-1> my name and -a ? it is not working.
[01:01] <guest-1> But the menu say 4.4.0-51
[01:02] <guest-1> the system information
[01:03] <guest-1> my name and -a .. coomand not found.
[01:09] <fishcooker> for some reason i can't access the NetworkManager ... even i do restart it won't work eg: scan the wifi... even i lost the NetworkManager
[01:13] <guest-1> I am back.
[01:15] <guest-1> the package system is broken.
[03:38] <fishcooker> how to force show lxpanel?
[04:17] <lapion> lynorian, I solved my problem by reinstalling network-manager dpkg -P --force-all (et-al)
[18:17] <JesseH2> So, I just used my lubuntu 16.04 usb to upgrade to 16.04 from 15.10, and my second monitor keeps flashing to a black screen and then coming back, sometimes when I start typing on it or moving the cursor. I have no idea what details to provide to give you guys a better sense of the issue, however. Where can I start.
[18:17] <JesseH2> -.+?
[19:42] <LuMint> teward: hi
[19:43] <LuMint> teward: how did the yesterday's story of guest-1 end? :)


[00:04] <fazer> Does anybody know what Vatika Harlaka's nickname is?
[00:05] <knome> not everybody is on IRC
[00:15] <fazer> I guess... Even the mentors?
[00:16] <knome> even them/us :)
[00:26] <fazer> I claimed this task and its not very specific: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5207178558308352/?sp-page=1 . It says make 5 code refactors but it doesn
[00:26] <fazer> 't specify which repo/project to make the changes to.
[15:45] <knome> jose, ping! please publish https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/4874591692390400/ :)
[15:45] <jose> knome: hello! let me check
[15:46] <jose> knome: should be all set now :)
[15:46]  * knome bows
[15:48] <knome> jose, now that you are there, we can publish this task too (i don't know why it wasn't already): https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/4514565299634176/
[15:49] <jose> sure, let me check
[15:51] <jose> and published as well
[15:53] <knome> thanks again
[16:05] <MatthewAllen> knome, on http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/ the links for the PDF's both A4 and US Letter are dead links
[16:30] <knome> MatthewAllen, right.. just dismiss that for now :)
[16:31] <knome> (unless you want to read it in pdf, in which case you should be able to build the documentation with those files as long as you are not running xenial)
[16:35] <tsimonq2> MatthewAllen: you should be good to go
[16:35] <tsimonq2> :)
[16:35] <MatthewAllen> tsimonq2, thanks! :)
[19:23] <wxl> darnit can someone unapprove this please? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6609275128381440/
[20:58] <fazer> ahayzen, isn't what you want me to do the same as this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-weather-dev/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntu_weather_app/tests/test_locations_page.py#L69
[20:59] <ahayzen> fazer, just commented, it is similar
[21:00] <ahayzen> fazer, but the test is to use the swiping left/right rather than through the button edge
[21:00] <ahayzen> so you'll be able to use the same assert on the self.home_page.get_selected_location_index() ..but instead of going to the location page... you simple swipe across
[21:00] <ahayzen> *simply
[21:01] <fazer> ahayzen, ok. That shouldn't be too hard.
[21:01] <ahayzen> yup :-)
[21:01] <ahayzen> just add a swipe method to the Home page helper class
[21:01] <ahayzen> then it'll be a very similar test
[21:02] <fazer> and this test goes in the test_home_page right? not locations.
[21:02] <ahayzen> it'll go in the test_home file yes
[21:22] <fazer> ahayzen, the default orientation is the next tab on the right, right? So I have to wipe to the left to get to it?
[21:24] <ahayzen> fazer, yup
[21:24] <fazer> ok cool.
[21:25] <fazer> so my swipe can just be swiping to the left? I don't need to have a parameter for the direction?
[21:48] <ahayzen> fazer, you could make it generic
[21:49] <fazer> ok.
[21:50] <ahayzen> fazer, as the method names are clear, maybe a swipe_left and swipe_right method on the home class and then a generic method outside of the class
[21:52] <fazer> ahayzen, by outside you mean in BAseTestCaseWithPatchedHome()?
[21:53] <ahayzen> fazer, just straight into the helper file the __init__.py not the tests/__init__.py IIRC
[21:54] <fazer> ok.


[09:12] <Millox> will later versions of upstart be able to handle several daemons to monitor for one service?
[09:17] <ion_> Well, i already supports instances.
[09:17] <ion_> it
[09:42] <Millox> yep, got that part
[09:42] <Millox> but what I currently need is a way to oversee several daemons at once, preferably with only one job definition file to keep clutter to a minimum
[09:43] <Millox> i.e. nfsd starts i believe 4 different daemons to handle authentication, mounting, locking and uid translation
[09:44] <Millox> it would have been nice to have just one job description file for these daemons since they logically is only one service
[09:44] <Millox> ah, well maybe later