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 http://vineetkumar.me/2013/10/installing-ubuntu-touch-on-your-rooted-nexus-7/
 Found this for grouper owners...
 There might be something useful in here
[06:14] <tgBot> FlorianMueckl was added by: FlorianMueckl
 IIRC there were alot of issues with mir using the tegra3 drivers on grouper. Was probably one of the main reasons canonical dropped it as a reference device and went with the 2013 nexus 7's at the beginning of 2014
 I remember that day clearly as my grouper had arrived a few days before canonical dropped it. 🙈
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-aims-to-bring-its-ubuntu-snappy-technologies-to-android-devices-517677.shtml
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> good news
 @DanChapman, Good to know, maybe I should stop trying to port HTC One X with tegra3 cipset 😆
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 @lotuspsychje, how does this help or hinder Ubports? would this mean changing android components could happen live from UT?
 I think the author just misinterpreted something...
 as is common with that author
 @Flohack, Not saying it's not possible 😊. THis was back in the early days of mir (0.1.x). But even back then I think they was having to find workarounds for tegra3 as it flickered like hell. I think even surfaceflinger had workarounds for that chipset. so...
 @neothethird, can you explain (without writing a book :P )?
 did someone know if I can install yunit on ubuntu gnome 17.04?
 @ProsOne, Probably a question for the yunit forum or mailing list
 unless @jsalatas is around?
 @ProsOne, I believe it's possible. You can certainly do it in 16.04, but I think it may also work in 17.04.
 now I see how to do it..thank you very much
 @ProsOne, I don't think the ppa has that distro. Would unity8-desktop-session meet your needs? It is almost the same code.
 @alan_griffiths, the terminal found unity8-sess... but, being on gnome, needs to many many additional packages..maybe I'll try it on ubuntu 16.04...thank you friend
 @UniversalSuperBox IRC still works in Halium chat, you were concerned about it
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[13:16] <tgBot> Kazord was added by: Kazord
 Hi
 Hello!
[13:23] <Mappack> Hi
 I want to know if there is change on scope (and how they are handle in ubports), and if any, if i can test on my MX4 while porting rssreader from ubuntu store to openstore
 no changes have been made to scopes so far
 Cool for porting (sad as they need some)
 Scopes probably won't be touched in the 15.04 / "legacy" software track.
 Don't expect them to be the same when 16.04 comes out.
 Ah, is there a thread somewhere on what change are expected for 16.04 ? … And also how packages will be handle between those 2 branches ?
 Not yet so far, that i'm aware about.
[14:50] <nfsprodriver[m]> Oh man, the new oxide 1.21 from @mariogrip gives such an extremely speedup!!!
 Hi
 Aloha
[14:54] <nfsprodriver[m]> Hello!
 Buen vide
 @nfsprodriver[m], Yeah, definitely!
 I noticed a problem with the Meizu pro5 and the RC version of Ubports …   I tried several ways to run this version, but it does not work
 @UniversalSuperBox, what is the profile of the person who uses IRC?  I mean... why is IRC used?  Is there a link that will help me understand in a few words why this is being used and why I should bother?
 @wayneoutthere, IRC is used by people who have been using IRC for a very long time
 (Photo, 1280x540) https://irc.ubports.com/225j4hwE/file_482.jpg
 Including many hardcore developers in the open source community
 @Sconio, If you don't want to deal with the terminal, try this: github.com/ubports/ubports-installer
 @Sconio, If you do want to deal with it on the terminal and want some fun troubleshooting experience, could you try removing `--bootstrap`?
 Could also be said to be very low tech indeed so accessible to all. Though less so now that smartphones are standard everywhere
 @UniversalSuperBox, so are they using it because of incredible advantages or 'just because they always have'?
 I also use ubports install and I have the same result
 just rc
 devel it's ok stable its ok
 @wayneoutthere, We're going to start a holy war if we aren't careful... … But in general I don't see any advantage when it comes to public chatrooms... except maybe that IRC doesn't require a phone number
 ok, no problem. conversation over. i get it
 3 people are typing... we started the war.
 75000 in Turkey arrested mainly because they used an encrypted app
 i tried it once and i was like 'WTH is this and why wuld I ever use this when things like Telegram are secure and working"
 @wayneoutthere, For *you* there's no advantage. But if you know regular expressions, it can be handy
 i see.
 so it's useful for coders for their job?
 i might just have to #audiocast this haha
 @Sconio, Ok, thanks for reporting. If devel is in fact ok, I guess whatever issue there was is resolved. I'll ping you once the new rc is here, then you can check again
 @wayneoutthere, If they have it set up the way they like, it is. But for many there's no immediate benefit
 ok, cool thanks
[15:22] <tgBot> libremax was added by: libremax
 welcome :)
 Hey, I know some of the ubuntu documentation jhas been copied elsewhere. Has this?  … https://developer.ubuntu.com/web/ubuntu-webapps-guide
 Oh, a quick google turned this up: https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/web/ubuntu-webapps-guide … please ignore previous message
 If anyone is interested in a refurbished Fairphone 2, try this: http://fairphone.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=95cc5eadcf0cd460ae347f6f8&id=aab5f199ba&e=655a8096d1
 @padraic7a, Most things are automatically archived at archive.org
 @JBBgameich, Cheers
 Sirs. I have recently moved from Ubuntu Touch to Ports and everything was succesfully (congratulations and thanks to all that make it possible)
 However, trying to copy some sound to the media folder inside /system, I was warned that system is read only
 with UbTouch I could mount the system rootfile as rw but I m unable with Ports!
 Is it normal?
 how can I custom notification sounds?
 thank you :) remounting rw should still work. what's your device?
 @Marcos, it's currently only possible to add custom ringtones, not custom notification sounds. There's a bugreport for that here: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/202
 Trying to flash MX4 with MDT, device in fastboot mode, MDT stuck on Detecting Devices
 Any clue?
 Is it running android? then you need to enable usb debugging and bootloader unlocking in the settings. If that's already done or you're running ubuntu touch already,you could try it with a different cable or a different usb slot on your pc.
 Was ubuntu official
 There is a group for MDT. Try a different cable and different PC. Depressing either or both volume keys and/or tapping volume key very briefly can held device recognition
 If using MDT device must be OFF not fastboot
 @wayneoutthere, There is another thing, IRC is completly anonymous, you can use it also from TOR network probably, so you can do fancy stuff with it ;)
 Sorry. Ignore that last
 Fastboot is correct for MDT
 @neothethird, I m using E5
 @Marcos, If you want, you can use ut tweak tool to make the system writable: https://openstore.ubports.com/app/ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi
 I tried tweak tools but not sucess!
 also mount / -o remount,rw did not work!
 @Marcos, that needs sudo
 Keypress did the job,  checked with lsusb before MDT
[16:40] <tgBot> Hmminfo was added by: Hmminfo
 @Flohack, IRC is the opposite of anonimity. If you aren't cloaked your can be viewed by everyone by /whoising him. the only thing is as you said to use tor
 Welcome @Hmminfo !
 Hey everyone. New here
 hi
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks
 Hey
 Hey, you made it!
 Welcome
 @UniversalSuperBox, Finally
 Thanks. Hope to learn new things from you all
 By the way you can all check my bio i have great books in my channel
 Damn MDT, everything got 'failed (protocol error)'
 @Flohack, This is actually pretty accurate: If you can do fancy stuff with it, you can do fancy stuff with it. If not, it's completely useless
 @hawk_is_here, How's that kernel going?
 @neothethird, 🤣🤣
 @Kazord, Jan. I did use sudo and as root too but same result
 Sorry I replied the wrong message!
 I will try to remount later again!
 @Hmminfo, Going snail speed... trying to carve dedicated time...
 @hawk_is_here, Keep up good work 👍
[17:14] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/E3Fksz7e/file_484.jpg
 I've a question
 Can we install Ubuntu in deviant?
 *Debian
 @hawk_is_here, You can install ubuntu touch using most operating systems: github.com/ubports/ubports-installer
 Thanks, ui found that my password missed
 @Marcos, that's a high five!
 @Flohack, fair enough.  but i'm guessin that matrix and wire and such are basically invisible and anonymous as well (if you set it up that way).  thanks for sharing
 @DeadSquirreI01, then i retract. haha
 @neothethird, I meant Ubuntu SDK
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[21:04] <tgBot> valx7 was added by: valx7
[21:04] <tgBot> matiasmasca was added by: valx7
 Hello to the both o'yah
 Hi everyone!
 Is LG K4 LTE model in plans to be supported?
 @valx7, No.
 Every phone has different hardware that takes months to investigate.
 Only a few phones can be supported
 Even Lineage has not all phones...
 Even android
 Wouldn't it be possible to use some of drivers from lineage to speed investigations?
 Sure. That's exactly what we do. Still takes a month or two to get a device to a slightly usable stage.
 Very few developers and they are volunteers. They have to prioritise
 For example, right now I'm banging my head against the wall on a device. For documentation.
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: # ping <IP_ADDRESS> … socket: Permission denied
 I... just... HOW.
[21:50] <knightDX> is anyone available that could help with info on porting this to a huawei device?
 If I had more time and experience I'd be working on porting it to my old Galaxy Nexuses
[21:56] <knightDX> i'm honestly just wanting to learn how to port a rom in general. i like linux, what i am confused about is, is porting a aosp rom to a non google phone
[21:56] <knightDX> like do i just add the vendor blobs and device tree to the nexus aosp files or what? lol
 Nooooooo.... There's thousands of lines of code you'll have alter, not to mention probably write your own bootloader and figure out a way to bypass security on the device you're porting too...
 Ave that's just too get to the point where you can see logcat when the bootup inveriably fails, assuming you get enough right to init the adb bridge and have proper USB from go
 Luckily Halium solves that part by giving you ssh access in the test rootfs... THE BUILD FAILED AGAIN.
[22:01] <knightDX> i just cant find any info for it. i had wanted to port lineage is to it, but again no info. ive got adb and fastboot done. i did try a build using a build for cm 14.1 but it failed halfway through
 What would be great is a link taking people to a video guide to how difficult the tasks are, when they ask about a phone model. I had no idea at first how complicated it is. People think 'USB boot'. Not unreasonably. But wrongly
 I'll just link them to the Halium docs when they are nice.
 I've been working on this device since 12:00PM today and it's 5:00PM. I had a build that booted when I started. Now the Wi-Fi radio works. But not the networking stack. That'd be too easy.
 Will newbies like me understand them? Probably as much as hieroglyphs
 I should do that
 Just screencap the terminal windows and weird errors and myself shouting expletives.
 Post that when people ask "Can you port to [x]?'
 Exactly. They would get some insight then. Brain surgery from scratch. Kudos 👍
 Also, I don't know if people understand the computer required to do this in an amount of time that isn't frustrating. I built rig around the Ryzen 7 1700 for the purpose. It takes 15 minutes to compile the hardware stuff. My old FX-6300 took about 30 minutes to compile it.
 Scratch that. 40.
 100 iterations?  300?
 let me check my notes
 I'm probably at about 20 right now
 I mean to 'complete'
 Right
 Okay, got it installed again. Let's see if I can ping stuff
 Donations needed for a Doctor Who screwdriver
 holds breath and waits for ssh to connect
 Oh, yes! Wi-Fi came up.
 nice
 Didn't break anything. Now, can I ping...?
 YES!
 oh my goooooooood
 at one of us is having a good dev day
 never before has `apt update` felt so good
 lol
 nice
 congrats man!
 🍓🍓🍓
 now send some of that luck my way!!
 Now, the reason for doing that was so I could use apt to install different binaries so I could test the graphics.
 Let's try that, shall we?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Woo, ryzen bros
 @UniversalSuperBox, whoa, that's gonna be cool!
 @Stereofont, you can always feel good knowing that no matter how little you understand - Wayne Out There understands LESS!
 ```# EGL_PLATFORM=hwcomposer test_hwcomposer … library "libtinyxml.so" not found … width: 1080 height: 1920 … OpenGL ES 2.0 (OpenGL ES 3.2<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(GIT@I15255e4b4a)) … Segmentation fault```
 it... it never ends
 @UniversalSuperBox, we should turn this into a dramatic section of the next #audiocast hey @exar_kun - loggit!
 (Photo, 560x586) https://irc.ubports.com/8V7rFjC1/file_486.jpg
 I assume that phone designers 'borrow' a lot rather than do everything from scratch? The lazier they are the better …
 Maybe, but every board is different
 Hey, I was listening to a podcast about that today. apparently, that's going to change going forward...
 Enigma
 Yeah, Treble might make things better. I don't have much hope.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah, that's it.
 Maybe I've been abused by too many Android devices.
 lol
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/OBjwxpBV/file_487.mp4
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/25517440/
 I'm beginning to sense a theme here
 Oh, yeah. Graphics tests always segfault when you start trying.
 always
 and it's impossible to track down the error unless you really know Android AND libhybris source code. Which I do not.
 I don't know ANY code and here I am trying to do stuff and things
 I last coded in 1980
 2 kilobytes of RAM
 yeah I learned to "code" with an Apple ][ back in the 80's. I was successful in creating a clown face
 Tennis was possible
 If you remember what I'm talking about, you're old
 Very
 lol
 Well, Plasma Mobile just released a rootfs that supports devices like mine. Let's see if that does anything but crash.
 has doubts
 (Video, 4s)https://irc.ubports.com/zl1q9dEW/file_488.mp4 Testing with gifs as Dashbackground.
 Hm, the record seems to be broken, but it works :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, what device?
 N5
 ok, thanks
 A simpler gift would yield more information?
 Gif *
 The problem is lightdm needs to be restarted to see the gif animated.
 What I was thinking is that a monochrome square moving would produce an intelligible breakup
 @enriconia, The rootfs gets combined with the hardware adaptation stuff to make a running system.
 So the rootfs is for all devices
 If you have hardware adaptation that supports it
 ok, thanks :)
 @enriconia, Oh, I thought you meant me, but the answer is the same I think 😂
 it's ok :)
 Actually, I tried porting ubports, but I failed and I don't know why. The strange thing is that I managed to boot sailfish OS... so now I am waiting for some halium development
 Oh great.
 Wi-Fi stopped working
 @wayneoutthere, Can't wait until I can  apt update #audiocast


[17:18] <cerealguy> i have an idea for an app
[17:18] <cerealguy> no clue how to get started
[17:19] <cerealguy> went to developer.ubuntu.com i am not sure that's what i'm looking for


[02:53] <BillGHero> Hello. I am here because I have been trying to troubleshoot a scanning  (sane) problem on my Ubuntu 16.04 install
[02:54] <BillGHero> I tried the sane channel, but not a single user out of the other 24 so much as hiccuped for over an hour. :-S
[02:58] <sarnold> that's irc for ya
[02:58] <sarnold> people tend to reply only on specific questions
[02:58] <BillGHero> Yes, but not on the sane channel tonight.
[02:58] <BillGHero> I have a brother MFC that has always worked with the vendor drivers for scanning over the network in older versions of ubuntu, but cannot get it working with 16.04. Printing works ok.
[03:01] <BillGHero> Anybody know how best to proceed to troubleshot this on Ubuntu 16.04? Because all the standard answers I found do not help.
[03:01] <BillGHero> Or, if someone knows where they posted the desing docs for Ubuntu 16.04, that would work too...
[03:02] <BillGHero> * "design docs"
[03:02] <sarnold> do you get any error messages when you try to use it? does anything show up in the logs? dmesg output?
[03:04] <BillGHero> Not sure how to get the dmesg output.
[03:05] <BillGHero> Scanner utilities cannot see the scanner, even though the brother utility does.
[03:06] <sarnold> dmesg gives you dmesg output :)
[03:07] <BillGHero> Ok, ran "sudo dmesg -wH" and then ran xsane. No messages showed up, xsane just complained that it couldn't find any scanners.
[03:07] <BillGHero> Clarification: There is output from the dmesg, jsut nothing new for the xsane program.
[03:08] <sarnold> if you unplug and replug the scanner do you get anything?
[03:09] <BillGHero> Unplug? My scanner is on my network.
[03:09] <sarnold> aha
[03:09] <sarnold> can you ping it?
[03:09] <sarnold> does it have a web interface? (some networked devices have simple web servers)
[03:09] <BillGHero> I can print to it. Let me  make sure it will ping tho...
[03:10] <BillGHero> Yep, 0 packet loss.
[03:11] <sarnold> alright good news there; if you stick the IP in a browser do you get a web interface of some sort?
[03:12] <BillGHero> Nope, but I would never get one anyways. This printer does not provide such.
[03:14] <sarnold> bummer :/ maybe nmap it and hope they stuffed one on another port?
[03:15] <BillGHero> It worked fine for scanning with the Brother .deb packages on Ubuntu 14, so I am damn near 100% sure that it is an issue with Ubuntu 16.04.
[03:16] <BillGHero> I am using same network, same computer, same multifunction printer/scanner. Just newer Ubuntu.
[03:18] <BillGHero> The brother .deb package provides the sane backend.
[03:19] <BillGHero> I THINK the sane daemon is running, based on the previous two hours of troubleshooting. But, I do not know for sure if it is configured corectly.
[03:21] <sarnold> hrm the brscan4 package at least does different things based on install order. that's a bit confusing.
[03:21] <sarnold> try uninstalling and reinstalling the brscan package
[03:22] <BillGHero> It's brscan3 for this case, just in case it matters.
[03:22] <sarnold> aha i'll give that a look too
[03:22] <sarnold> give the uninstall/reinstall a shot while I download and unpack it
[03:22] <BillGHero> Mine's a Brother MFC-6490CW
[03:25] <sarnold> same style of operation that only does things at install time if a file exists.
[03:26] <BillGHero> True, but also has a step for each package to check to see if the isntall command worked.
[03:28] <BillGHero> Ok, removed and re-installed. Checked and bothe the 'driver' and the brsaneconfig-uration shows good.
[03:29] <BillGHero> xsane still doesn't see the scanner. Only error is something about an invalid string constant "task-buttons"
[03:29] <BillGHero> Probably un-related.
[03:29] <sarnold> the postinst script looks for /usr/lib/sane before performing a bunch of operations; that might have existed in earlier releases, might not, but I don't see it in 16.04 LTS.
[03:30] <sarnold> so lets just try running those operations by hand :)
[03:30] <BillGHero> You mean running xsane from the command line?
[03:31] <sarnold> here's the commands the package's postinst script runs if that directory exists; try running these commands (as root) and then try again http://paste.ubuntu.com/24930210/
[03:36] <BillGHero> Aha, I think you are on to something
[03:37] <BillGHero> there is no /usr/lib/sane/
[03:38] <BillGHero> And no error message from the instalation either..
[03:41] <BillGHero> It worked!
[03:41] <BillGHero> Thank you so much!
[03:42] <sarnold> sweet :)
[03:42] <BillGHero> But, how did you know that those links were not there?
[03:43] <sarnold> I'm not even sure the links need to be created by hand like that. It's been years since I've really done library things by hand but I thoguht ldconfig was supposed to create those, and I thought dpkg just did that these days.
[03:44] <sarnold> so the links may or may not have been related
[03:44] <sarnold> it might have been running the /usr/local/Brother/sane/setupSaneScan3 -i command which unlocked it. I'm not sure which :)
[03:46] <BillGHero> Still, thanks :)
[03:46] <sarnold> you're welcome, I'm glad it works :)
[05:56] <didrocks> good morning
[05:57] <flocculant> morning didrocks :)
[06:02] <didrocks> hey flocculant!
[06:04] <flocculant> how's things?
[06:07] <didrocks> good, thanks, but really warm here. Still a couple of days before it gets bearable :)
[06:07] <didrocks> you?
[06:16] <flocculant> yea all good here thanks - I think we've likely had our summer now :p
[06:28] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:28] <duflu> Good afternoon oSoMoN
[06:36] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:57] <willcooke> morning all
[07:58] <didrocks> happy Friday willcooke (and soon Laney ;))
[07:58] <willcooke> \o/
[07:58] <willcooke> didrocks, any cooler today?
[08:00] <Laney> HEY!
[08:03] <didrocks> willcooke: already 28°C inside… should be 2° degrees less (like 34 outside)
[08:03] <willcooke> ooof
[08:09] <duflu> Excellent. I mistook "clearvideo" for "clear video"
[08:09] <duflu> They are unrelated technologies
[08:09] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney duflu
[08:09] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[08:09] <willcooke> morning seb128
[08:10] <duflu> Hey seb128, willcooke, Laney, didrocks
[08:11] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:14] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:18] <didrocks> gnome-session removed isn't on the iso as planned, great :)
[08:19]  * seb128 downloads the daily for a test install
[08:19] <seb128> going to dual boot my laptop xenial i386/artful amd64
[08:20] <Laney> hey seb128 hey duflu hey didrocks
[08:20] <Laney> OMG
[08:20] <Laney> seb128 running amd64?????
[08:20] <duflu> Party like it's 1999
[08:23] <Laney> I think Etch was the first Debian release to get amd64
[08:23] <seb128> Laney, right, wth?
[08:23]  * Laney wonders if Ubuntu had it first
[08:24] <Laney> looks like even warty did http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/
[08:29] <didrocks> the live was only i386 though, interesting :)
[08:31] <Laney> sounds from the text at the top like most systems were x86 back then
[08:31] <Laney> maybe almost no desktops were amd64 or something
[08:32] <didrocks> I surely had a x86 laptop at the time
[08:50] <oSoMoN> seb128, hey, I updated my LO 5.3.3 snap at http://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice_<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.snap , in case you haven't tried it yet
[08:51] <seb128> oSoMoN, I didn't, thanks
[08:54] <jibel> seb128, if you do a test installation can you confirm bug 1700030?
[08:54] <ubot5`> bug 1700030 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity still installed after installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700030
[08:54] <seb128> sure
[08:59] <didrocks> I confirmed
[08:59] <didrocks> and opened it some days ago
[09:00] <didrocks> bug #1698752
[09:00] <ubot5`> bug 1698752 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity is still installed after standard desktop 17.10 installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1698752
[09:00] <jibel> thanks
[09:43] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, seen my comments about chromium yesterday? I filed https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=735947 upstream, and I think the packages in ppa:canonical-chromium-builds/stage should be good to go, for when you have some time to review them
[10:12] <willcooke> Laney, looks like the changes to the filtering on the mailing list are working
[10:15] <Laney> phat
[10:15] <Laney> good work
[10:16] <immu> hmm
[10:38] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[10:38] <willcooke> hi flexiondotorg
[10:38] <oSoMoN> hey flexiondotorg
[10:40] <flexiondotorg> didrocks Any chance you can take a look at LP: #1699333 and LP: #1699334 please?
[10:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1699333 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] vala-panel" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699333
[10:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1699334 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] vala-panel-appmenu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699334
[10:55] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: I can't sorry dude, need to prepare for other things (going to a client). So Wednesday at best now.
[10:55] <didrocks> you can still ask other AA to get you sponsored/unblocked
[11:14] <jibel> didrocks, it seems that ubiquity removal broke with the release of livecd-rootfs you did on the 6th
[11:18] <didrocks> jibel: could be the logic changed then. cyphermox is looking at it AFAIK.
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> didrocks OK. I'll see if I can get someone else to assist.
[13:37] <cyphermox> didrocks: jibel: right; didrocks' change looks correct to me, somehow live-build disagrees and does the wrong thing
[15:45]  * oSoMoN takes off for today, have a good week-end everyone!
[15:47] <willcooke> night oSoMoN
[15:49]  * didrocks does the same, will travel on Sunday, see you next week guys! (Will be on and off from Germany for this client event)
[17:00] <seb128> have a good w.e desktopers!
[17:01] <Laney> night seb128
[17:12]  * willcooke is off to the ball
[17:12] <willcooke> night all
[17:12] <willcooke> not around next week much cos I'm in London
[17:53] <Laney> exciting, NM knows I'm on mobile broadband somehow
[18:02] <Laney> ANDROID_METERED
[18:02] <Laney> nice
[18:10] <cyphermox> everyone in the team left already?
[18:10] <cyphermox> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1698752
[18:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1698752 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity is still installed after standard desktop 17.10 installation" [High,Triaged]
[18:11] <cyphermox> just fyi, didrocks is assigned, but if you want to fix it "sooner", you might already know whether indicators are required in the gnome-shell world
[18:14] <Laney> cyphermox: they can be removed, unless they are required for some ubiquity usecase
[18:14] <Laney> I'm on a too crappy connection to do that (see my previous lines)
[18:14] <Laney> so go for it
[18:15] <cyphermox> Laney: tbf, I'm eager to put this aside and move on to other thigns I need to do before I'm on vacation next week
[18:15] <cyphermox> Laney: I don't think one more day is a big deal, didrocks or someone else can do the changes monday
[18:15] <Laney> he's away
[18:15] <Laney> but ok... feels like it would be easy to do for someone who already figured it out
[18:15] <Laney> as you wish
[18:16] <cyphermox> it's not hard to do for anyone, sicne I already mentioned the details on the bug
[18:16] <Laney> it requires someone to sit down and get to it
[18:18] <cyphermox> to decide whether the indicators are needed and unseed or MIR
[18:19] <Laney> no
[18:19] <Laney> they are not needed
[18:19] <Laney> train is moving now, probably going to drop off
[18:20] <Laney> orite, unity-greeter
[18:20] <Laney> I think they will drop off automatically once that's gone
[18:20] <Laney> it's not a direct seed
[18:21]  * Laney replied
[18:22] <Laney> cyphermox: thanks for the analysis!
[19:36] <immu> what is the level of Optimus technology support in ubuntu? for dual graphics
[21:09] <cyphermox> Laney: ok, circled back to this now, I can fix it
[21:11] <cyphermox> oh, but this is lightdm vs. gdm3 stuff
[21:15] <jbicha> yes, it's unity-greeter
[21:17] <cyphermox> yes, that's what I was saying


[15:12] <kimus> hello all. what's happening to the ubuntu-eu.org sites?
[15:17] <kimus> ping jalrnc juliux
[18:59] <kimus1> anyone?
[19:12] <kimus> ping zed
[19:12] <kimus> ping jalrnc
[19:13] <kimus> ping EnTeQuAk
[19:13] <kimus> anyone? :-)


[01:29] <toe_> hey whats up
[01:30] <toe_> can i  open my existing projectsfrom cubase with ardour
[01:30] <holstein> hey toe_
[01:30] <holstein> there is a converter app
[01:31] <holstein> i forget what its called
[01:31] <holstein> and i have not used it
[01:31] <holstein> the way i do it...
[01:31] <holstein> i export the wav files from cubase
[01:31] <holstein> without effects or automaion
[01:31] <holstein> and import them into ardour
[01:32] <toe_> oh i forgot the wav files are atomatically save to the folder
[01:33] <toe_> only problem is a couple of them i recorded over the tracks so theres ex  bass.wav to bass13.wav
[01:34] <toe_> but obviously the one with bigger size is the correct one
[01:35] <toe_> how would i have each individual port  designated to a certain track
[01:36] <toe_> in ardour
[01:36] <holstein> port?
[01:36] <holstein> SAY
[01:36] <holstein> you have a project
[01:36] <holstein> in cubase
[01:36] <holstein> with 4 tracks
[01:36] <holstein> just export them seperately
[01:36] <holstein> OR
[01:36] <holstein> fish around for the wavs like your talking about
[01:37] <toe_> remote controller id maybe
[01:37] <holstein> and just import them into ardour
[01:37] <holstein> one at a time
[01:37] <holstein> as separate tracks
[01:37] <toe_> no i mean if im starting a new project sorry
[01:37] <holstein> just like they were in cubase
[01:37] <holstein> toe_: AH
[01:37] <holstein> you use JACK
[01:37] <holstein> you can do it in ardour too
[01:38] <holstein> in JACK
[01:38] <holstein> the 'connections'
[01:38] <holstein> area
[01:38] <holstein> you'll see your sound cards ins and outs
[01:38] <holstein> and if ardour is running
[01:38] <holstein> you'll see ardours channels/tracks ins and outs
[01:38] <holstein> you just route them however you want
[01:38] <holstein> in/out
[01:38] <holstein> to external effects
[01:39] <holstein> or other hardware
[01:39] <holstein> other JACK aware software
[01:39] <holstein> where ever you want
[01:42] <toe_> i dont get what you mean. in cubase you assign each track . i dont see connections as well
[01:43] <holstein> OK
[01:43] <holstein> in cubase
[01:43] <holstein> you only use cubase
[01:43] <holstein> with JACK
[01:43] <holstein> you can interconnect all kinds of apps
[01:43] <holstein> not just ardour
[01:44] <holstein> say i have my guitar plugged into the firepod
[01:44] <holstein> into channel 4
[01:44] <holstein> i can route channel 4 over into rakarrack
[01:44] <holstein> and add an effect in realtime
[01:45] <holstein> route that effected signal to track 1 in ardour
[01:45] <holstein> and route the dry guitar signal to another track in ardour
[01:45] <holstein> maybe track 2
[01:45] <holstein> then, say i got a drum machine programmed
[01:45] <holstein> in hydrogen
[01:45] <holstein> mabye snare kick and hihat
[01:46] <holstein> i can route those to separate tracks in ardour
[01:46] <holstein> maybe 3 4 and 5
[01:46] <holstein> JACK is like a patchbay
[01:47] <holstein> THEN
[01:47] <holstein> lets say i want to use something like darkice
[01:47] <holstein> to stream that to the internet while im recording
[01:47] <holstein> i can route the main out or ardour to darkice's input
[01:47] <holstein> in JACK's connections window
[01:47] <holstein> toe_: there are little plus signs
[01:47] <holstein> +
[01:48] <holstein> in connections
[01:48] <holstein> if you expand those
[01:48] <holstein> you should see all 8 ins
[01:48] <holstein> and the outs on the right side
[01:48] <holstein> there is a simple way to assign these from inside ardour too
[01:48] <holstein> in the mixer somewhere
[01:49] <toe_> give me a second my computers having a meltdown. i tried running rakarak and it said error cannt run jack because of jackd
[01:51] <toe_> so now my computer is acting like a peice of crap and rakarak is maybe loading im not sure i might just take the easy route and hit the wer button
[01:51] <holstein> what are the specs?
[01:52] <holstein> if you dont have a realtime kernel
[01:52] <holstein> and the latency set really low
[01:52] <holstein> no reason to run rakarrack
[01:52] <holstein> i have several different JACK profiles
[01:52] <toe_> be right back im hitting the power . i was going to see what effects i can do
[01:52] <holstein> one for mixing which is quite relaxed
[01:52] <holstein> maybe 40 ms latency
[01:53] <holstein> BUT i have one for doing realtime effects and tracking things like that
[01:53] <holstein> synths.. whatever
[01:53] <holstein> that is set at like 1.2 ms
[02:06] <toe_> ok so i got jack up and going and adour . so do i hit connect then that bring up a window i assmue for selecting programs to associate with
[02:07] <holstein> pretty much
[02:07] <holstein> you get JACK going first
[02:07] <holstein> like you have
[02:07] <holstein> then
[02:07] <holstein> open whatever else you want to use
[02:07] <holstein> then
[02:07] <holstein> go back to the JACK window
[02:07] <holstein> and click 'connect'
[02:08] <holstein> thats where you'll see the connections that are possible
[02:08] <toe_> only thing i dont see is channel 8 which i use for guitar
[02:08] <holstein> you'll be interested in the ones under the audio tabe
[02:08] <holstein> tab*
[02:08] <holstein> toe_: hmmm
[02:09] <holstein> they used to be labeled 1 through 8
[02:09] <holstein> the packages im using now
[02:09] <holstein> they are labled 1L 2R 3L 4R
[02:09] <holstein> like that
[02:09] <holstein> 8 should be there
[02:10] <toe_> no audio 5/out 1 audio 5/out 2
[02:10] <toe_> audio 1- 7 all the same
[02:10] <holstein> hmmm
[02:10] <holstein> not sure what you mean
[02:11] <toe_> audio 1/out 1
[02:11] <toe_> audio 1/out 2
[02:11] <holstein> AH
[02:11] <holstein> thats ardour channels
[02:11] <holstein> tracks
[02:11] <toe_> like that threw audio 7 id assume that 7 is port 7
[02:12] <holstein> out 1 is left out 2 is right
[02:12] <holstein> i think your in the ardour seciton
[02:12] <holstein> and not the one for your presonus
[02:12] <holstein> this is the learning curve
[02:12] <holstein> BUT there really is nothing like it
[02:13] <holstein> so much like a patchbay
[02:13] <holstein> there are graphical frontends for it
[02:13] <toe_> oh yea i am
[02:13] <holstein> http://ladish.org/wiki/screenshots
[02:14] <holstein> http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/download/jp1/index.html
[02:14] <holstein> there's always options with linux
[02:14] <holstein> if a certain workflow doesnt work for you
[02:15] <holstein> i just like to introduce this as the first choice
[11:20] <lasconic> hi there
[11:20] <lasconic> I'm one of the dev of MuseScore
[11:21] <lasconic> MuseScore is in the meta packages of ubuntustudio
[11:21] <lasconic> but it's often named mscore
[11:21] <lasconic> this package is deprecated now
[11:21] <lasconic> the new package name is musescore
[11:22] <lasconic> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/musescore
[11:22] <lasconic> can it be changed in the software list ?
[11:25] <lasconic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment
[13:32] <persia> lasconic, We kept the name "mscore" to ensure that users who had it installed before the name change would automatically get "musecore" installed.
[13:33] <persia> Checking now, it looks like we can safely remove the "mscore" dummy package, so we'll do so for natty.
[13:34] <persia> We can't change it in the software list for things already released, but the description for the "mscore" package is "The package `mscore` has been renamed to `musescore`", and the "mscore" package contains *only* machine-readable instructions to install musescore.
[13:41] <persia> Ah, we can't actually remove it yet: because it would break upgrades for Debian users.  We'll remove it as soon as Debian Squeeze releases.
[14:21] <lasconic> persia: thanks
[14:21] <lasconic> it's just easier for us to follow discussions with musescore
[14:22] <lasconic> I find out totally by chance that MuseScore could be included by default in ubuntu studio
[14:22] <persia> lasconic, Sorry it takes so long to migrate: you'll probably still find traces of the transition packages laying around for the next 5 years, but we did move the real package name around the time you did: just takes us this long to do things.
[14:22] <lasconic> no problem !
[14:22] <persia> Yeah.  It's really nice, and getting better along the way.
[14:23] <lasconic> yes! working on new nice things like guitar tabs support :)
[14:24] <lasconic> the community will love to hear that next ubuntu stuidio will include musescore by default
[14:26] <persia> It will likely be a while before there is a final decision.  My understanding is that there is an intent to try using musescore for score editing by default for Alpha 1, and if that is received well, staying with it.
[14:26] <lasconic> great
[14:27] <lasconic> if I can help with something regarding musescore don't hesitate
[14:27] <lasconic> devs are on #musescore
[14:27] <persia> Thanks!  Where's the best place to find you?
[14:27] <persia> Oh, cool.
[14:27] <lasconic> or my nickname
[14:27] <persia> I'll definitely point folk there if we encounter specific issues.
[14:27] <lasconic> gmail.com
[14:27] <persia> We tend to be IRC-focused, but thanks also for the email, just in case.
[14:28] <lasconic> IRC is fine
[14:28] <persia> ScottL, ^^^
[14:33] <nemptor> hello everybody. i need help with my problem with gtick, anyone?
[14:34] <persia> What is the problem?
[14:35] <nemptor> in the sound device is /usr/bin/jackd and when i start gtick in terminal i got /usr/bin/jackd permission denied
[14:36] <persia> Hrm.  I think you need someone who uses gtick (wait a bit, and someone may appear).  /usr/bin/jackd is a program, rather than a sound device, although it may be that the gtick UI glosses over that.
[14:37] <holstein> nemptor: are you running JACK?
[14:37] <nemptor> thanks persia
[14:37] <nemptor> hello holstein yes im using jack
[14:37] <nemptor> holstein: but i don't start jack control when i use gtick
[14:38] <holstein> do you start JACK?
[14:38] <nemptor> holstein: i having the same problem with gtick eventhough i dont start jack
[14:38] <holstein> right
[14:38] <holstein> gtick will be looking for JACK
[14:39] <holstein> get jack started
[14:39] <nemptor> holstein: its the same problem too eventhough jack is started
[14:39] <holstein> AH
[14:39] <holstein> well, i think thats one of te apps getting pulled from the metapackage
[14:39] <nemptor> holstein: sorry can't explain it properly here :)
[14:39] <holstein> the apps*
[14:39] <holstein> nemptor: your doing fine :)
[14:39] <holstein> nemptor: there is a metronome in ardour
[14:40] <holstein> other apps have them built in as well
[14:40] <holstein> its easy to throw a little drum pattern in hydrogen as well
[14:40] <nemptor> hmm. i know :) but i would just like to use other metronome program
[14:41] <nemptor> ok i think i'll use ardour for metronome
[14:41] <holstein> AFAIK, gtick is not being developed anymore
[14:41] <nemptor> oh ok thanks for that info
[14:42] <nemptor> thanks for all the help :)
[14:42] <nemptor> can i ask another question?
[14:43] <holstein> you can always ask whatever you want
[14:43] <nemptor> how can i use hydrogen in ardour?
[14:44] <holstein> depends on how you want to 'use' it
[14:44] <holstein> anything can be routed to anything in JACK
[14:44] <holstein> say you have 3 drum sounds
[14:44] <holstein> snare kick and hihat
[14:45] <holstein> you can tell hydrogen to use seperate outputs per sound
[14:45] <holstein> instead of stereo
[14:45] <holstein> SO you go make 3 tracks in ardour
[14:45] <nemptor> ok
[14:45] <holstein> route the outputs of hydrogen in 'connect' in JACK
[14:45] <nemptor> so thru jack ardour will hear hydrogen?
[14:46] <nemptor> ok
[14:46] <nemptor> ill try that now
[14:46] <holstein> JACK is just like a patchbay
[14:46] <holstein> alright... i gotta run to a session... laterx
[14:46] <holstein> good luck nemptor
[14:46] <nemptor> ok
[14:46] <nemptor> thanks again
[14:46] <holstein> good to see you persia :)
[14:47] <nemptor> see yah
[14:47] <holstein> lasconic: musescore rocks .. w00t!
[14:48] <lasconic> holstein: thanks
[14:48] <nemptor> can you give me a link for a tutorial of jack, also for ardour and hydrogen?
[14:56] <nemptor> bye for now thanks for the help
[18:05] <ryanpg> hi all, I seem to be missing most plugins and effects in audacity
[18:06] <ryanpg> I have a ton of ladspa plugins installed, but most (maybe all) aren't showing up, neither are the built-in ones like "normalize"
[18:06] <ryanpg> any thoughts?
[18:06] <ryanpg> this is running maverick


[00:22] <RjG> loaded question... is there an updated guide for 23.10 or a tool to convert an existing swap part on a secondary drive to an encrypted swap that will automount on system boot?
[00:27] <Voidwarper> Why kernels are used by 23.10, and 22.04
[00:31] <RjG> 23.10 uses 6.5.0-17 atm
[00:32] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic jammy
[00:34] <RjG> I believe that there is a PPA that can be used to move the Jammy kernel up to the current release version.
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> !info linux-image-generic-hwe
[00:35] <EriC^^> Voidwarper: 5.15.0 for 22.04 but with the hwe it runs 6.5.0-18
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> !info linux-image-generic-hwe jammy
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> meh, wrong order
[00:36]  * Eickmeyer goes back to the darkness
[02:30] <jakobe> hi yall
[06:10] <darwin> i got error message 'Package seamonkey is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:10] <darwin> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source' but couldn't find which package supposedly refers to it (apparently no seamonkey command is existent)
[06:10] <darwin> didn't mean to do new line there (error message continued)
[06:10] <dogebutbanana> sa
[06:11] <dogebutbanana> tuca donka tuca donka
[06:11] <biilki> as
[06:11] <bilal> a
[06:11] <mandem0110> !english | dogebutbanana
[06:11] <bilal> ananı
[06:11] <dogebutbanana> lan kufur etme burda
[06:11] <sarpeyc> a
[06:12] <mandem0110> darwin: think you need to build SeaMonkey from source :(
[06:12] <darwin> no, you don't--there's a PPA
[06:13] <mandem0110> PPA's aren't supported here...
[06:13] <darwin> i see
[06:14] <darwin> i'm not 100% sure it's a PPA
[06:14] <alpin> Is there any particular reason PPA's aren't supported here, besides the fact the code is not in the Ubuntu respository?
[06:14] <darwin> since it didn't appear in /etc/apt/sources.list.d even on a PC that didn't have this error
[06:15] <darwin> it's bad grammar to use apostrophes on things that aren't possessive ('PPAs')
[06:15] <mandem0110> Grammar police....
[06:15] <alpin> darwin: I'm not here for your grammar lessons.  Now be polite, or I won't talk to you
[06:16] <darwin> instructions I followed are www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/ubuntuzilla?dist=all
[06:16] <mandem0110> Yeah that's *not* supported. Like I said, build from source.
[06:17] <darwin> source is where the source code comes from.  You build from source code
[06:17] <alpin> It's bad manners to call people out on minute grammar errors, that you think are wrong.  Concider all help from me to you ceased.
[06:17] <mandem0110> alpin: me too. :)
[06:17] <darwin> it's good manners to help people with grammar
[06:18] <darwin> some people are grateful, and others don't want to follow it, but that's their decision either way
[06:18]  * mandem0110 yawns
[06:18] <alpin> mandem0110: This guy doesn't know when to stop!
[06:19] <darwin> to call someone out normally refers to using their (nick)name (which I didn't do, but you did)
[06:20] <alpin> darwin: STOP being an annoying jerk, just because you can.  I didn't speak to you to berate you like you've berated me. Now SHUT IT and STOP talking to me, NOW!
[06:20] <mandem0110> darwin: can we help you with anything else? you got your answer about your unsupported PPA...
[06:21] <darwin> please be polite: don't insult people.  I didn't berate you
[06:21] <alpin> Thank God, the ungrateful jerk
[06:21] <mandem0110> alpin: welcome to IRC! :)
[06:22] <alpin> mandem0110, I'm not new to IRC, I just get tired of the BS
[06:22] <alpin> mandem0110, I thought the rules of netiquette were stronger in here
[06:22] <mandem0110> Well, you're breaking rules too. So.....
[06:23]  * mandem0110 that's enough from me now (:
[06:23] <alpin> mandem0110:  Which rules?  Or would we rather let this drop?
[06:44] <r1911> i can't believe this is not #linux!
[06:44] <mandem0110> Well, you better believe it. :)
[06:45] <r1911> there's some weird chanops there
[06:49] <mandem0110> !offtopic | r1911
[07:36] <r1911> no, thank you
[07:36] <r1911> i salvaged an old laptop with ubuntu
[07:36]  * enyc meows r1911
[07:37] <mandem0110> r1911: can we help you with a support question?
[07:37] <r1911> mandem0110: no
[07:37] <mandem0110> Then /join #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[07:37] <r1911> mandem0110: no
[09:33] <masber> why the CEO of canonical praised appimage but then ubuntu uses snapcraft?
[09:35] <oerheks> appimage was initiated in 2004, so long ago
[09:39] <masber> old does not mean it does not work
[09:39] <masber> in some cases is a good thing
[09:39] <masber> more mature
[09:39] <masber> are you saying snap has more features?
[09:40] <oerheks> snaps certainly give more control, yes. why these questions?
[09:41] <masber> because I would like to explore these technologies and adopt them
[09:41] <masber> instead of containers
[09:41] <masber> to encapsulate my apps and distribute them
[09:42] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/docs
[09:42] <oerheks> and there is #snappy for support
[09:43] <masber> ok, I will explore snap as well, thank you
[09:43] <masber> :)
[09:43] <oerheks> have fun!
[11:56] <dumbledoor> Whenever some system package that I installed by apt breaks on my system, should my first step be to check the logs through journalctl?
[11:58] <oerheks> apt install -f # fixes many dependencie errors dumbledoor
[11:59] <oerheks> but your initial question in #fedora .. ??
[12:01] <dumbledoor> Oh you noticed. well I just want to know more about journalctl works. It's on Ubuntu as well right.
[12:01] <dumbledoor> How can I check the logs for a particular package using journalctl?
[12:04] <oerheks> Why? ask in your distro channel please
[12:05] <dumbledoor> Yeah, you are right. Sorry.
[12:09] <oerheks> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/viewing-logs/
[12:59] <AITroll> Hi, I have a ubuntu problem, please
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> !ask | AITroll
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:15] <masterkorp> Hello, has any of you get got a dual screen foldable usb display working on linux ?
[14:18] <oerheks> care to share on what ubuntu? and what 'dual screen foldable usb display '?
[14:19] <masterkorp> Latest
[14:19] <masterkorp> The screen is a Uperfect delta foldable screen
[14:19] <masterkorp> displaylink
[14:20] <masterkorp> I have displaylink working on a usb dock with 2 screens
[14:20] <leftyfb> masterkorp: ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; lsusb ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:21] <masterkorp> nifty command, port 9999 is blocked here, but I will paste you those
[14:22] <oerheks> " Single cable doesn't seem to work and cant seem to power it with certain devices." https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1594796391/uperfect-delta-folding-portable-monitor/comments
[14:23] <oerheks> cable issue..
[14:23] <masterkorp> oerheks, I think i have tried
[14:25] <oerheks> for windows they provide an update.. i find no linux users yet.
[14:47] <masterkorp> But I use upstream displaylink
[14:52] <leftyfb> masterkorp: sudo apt install pastebinit && ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; lsusb ) | pastebinit dpaste.com
[14:53] <leftyfb> sorry
[14:53] <leftyfb> masterkorp: sudo apt install pastebinit && ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; lsusb ) | pastebinit -b dpaste.com
[14:53] <masterkorp> No worries, I know how to pastebin, thank you
[14:54] <masterkorp> the device is  345f:9132 YC USB Video
[14:54] <leftyfb> masterkorp: please paste the pastebin URL from the output of the entire command
[14:55] <oerheks> only usb-c can do it? anyway, no posts to find from linux users that fixed the 2nd screen.
[14:55] <oerheks> good luck!
[14:57] <leftyfb> masterkorp: if you just copy and paste the command I gave you into your terminal, it should give you a URL that you just paste here. No need to type anything manually
[14:57] <oerheks> avoiding to show he is not running ubuntu?
[15:01] <masterkorp> what is most annoying is that if I use both hdmi and usb display then I get the 3 displays in the system
[15:02] <masterkorp> but the top screen keeps dark
[15:02] <masterkorp> I have to switch the sources
[15:03] <leftyfb> masterkorp: let us know when you get that pastebin URL to post here and we'll be glad to help you
[15:04] <dtomato1> ah, hardware troubles ... gotta love those ... I would know... I just got a new printer! :-D
[15:04] <Idrogeno> Morning, friends.  My "Super" key has stopped working for showing the activities pane after some recent updates, known?
[15:08] <oerheks> Idrogeno, on what hardware?
[15:09] <Idrogeno> x86_64/amd ryzen
[15:10] <oerheks> try the first 2 tricks.. https://devicetests.com/fixing-super-key-issue-ubuntu
[15:10] <dtomato> funnily enough, printer works fantastic, but setting up was a right pain in the ass on *one* machine, where for some reason `ippfind` fails to work correctly :(  on another machine (both up to date and all) it works flawlessly ... I tried compiling latest version of cups and `ippfind` from there works just fine ... I can't seem to debug the issue
[15:10] <dtomato> :-/
[15:11] <Idrogeno> Theres no fn key.  I've already tried that google result :)
[15:12] <masterkorp> leftyfb https://bpa.st/TBFN4
[15:12] <leftyfb> !next | masterkorp
[15:13] <leftyfb> masterkorp: you're running an unreleased and unsupported release of ubuntu. Please go to #ubuntu-next to help report bugs
[15:13] <masterkorp> Man, so much for no help
[15:13] <masterkorp> thank you for your effort still
[15:13] <masterkorp> !beer
[15:14] <Idrogeno> I'm using xorg and not wayland, so maybe theres something "broken" there?
[15:14] <leftyfb> masterkorp: you're running a release that is still under development. The only reason you should be running it is to find and report bugs. There is no expectation of anything properly working
[15:17] <Idrogeno> @oerheks thanks for the direction.. This keyboard has a "gaming mode" button I've never touched or seen, and apparently it disabled my winkey.  Just happened to push the button around a restart.
[15:18] <oerheks> Idrogeno, nice spot!
[15:19] <dtomato> Idrogeno: hah! I had a keyboard like that once, and I've had on occasion run into the case where I forgot to re-enabled that key :D
[15:20] <Idrogeno> I finally found the "keyboard input test" in ubuntu settings and saw it wasn't being registered at all, but the lack of an Fn key threw me off
[15:20] <dtomato> what kind of obscure key combination do you have to do to turn it on and off then if it doesn't have Fn key or some form of dedicated switch?
[15:21] <Idrogeno> It has a "G" button in the top left
[15:22] <Idrogeno> thats apparently a "gaming mode"
[15:24] <dtomato> heh, well yeah, you don't want to tab out of the game and messing those headshots!
[16:56] <Guest95> hello everyone
[16:57] <oerheks> :-)
[17:02] <iconoclast_hero> is there any sort of official guidance on how to add a new btrfs OS to the existing GRUB?
[17:02] <iconoclast_hero> for whatever reason, grub-update doesn't want to add anything including the windows partition that was originally there.
[17:02] <iconoclast_hero> which is annoying, but i can't get it to see the OS i just put on a btrfs part.
[17:02] <iconoclast_hero> and the advice out there sucks.
[17:04] <oerheks> that would be the OS-prober blocking
[17:05] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[17:05] <oerheks> blocked due to security reasons.
[17:06] <oerheks> no experience with btrfs, but this guide should work https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/102bjk7/a_great_howto_for_setting_up_timeshift_and/
[17:07] <iconoclast_hero> oh.
[17:07] <iconoclast_hero> mother f-cker.
[17:08] <iconoclast_hero> that was a simple fix.
[17:08] <iconoclast_hero> thank you
[17:08] <iconoclast_hero> it's great that canonical put that information in the grub-update script they're using.
[17:08] <oerheks> have fun!
[17:08] <iconoclast_hero> so that end users don't waste hours upon hours trying to figure out what the f-ck is going on.
[17:08] <iconoclast_hero> there's a better way for the btrfs though
[17:09] <oerheks> oh good to know, thanks.
[17:10] <iconoclast_hero> i can't find it
[17:10] <iconoclast_hero> sorry
[17:11] <iconoclast_hero> so basically, i nvme0n1p10 is the new btrfs part...
[17:11] <iconoclast_hero> $ cd /media/; mkdir ./10; sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p10 ./10; cd 10; ln -s @/boot /boot; ln -s @/etc /etc
[17:11] <iconoclast_hero> then sudo os-prober to make sure it will find it
[17:12] <iconoclast_hero> then you can sudo update-grub
[17:12] <iconoclast_hero> its also anoying that I can't export that grub variable so i can enable the os-prober temporarily
[17:13] <iconoclast_hero> https://askubuntu.com/questions/967172/grub2-does-not-detect-btrfs-partition/1032354#1032354
[17:13] <iconoclast_hero> ^^
[17:13] <iconoclast_hero> that except that it doesn't work for the current OS which is probably moot.  once one bootsinto the other os, it would behoove one to also do it on the root of that brtrfs part as well.
[17:15] <iconoclast_hero> ok, time to see if it worked.
[17:35] <sem> i am trying a usb live image for lubuntu, so far it doesn't work after grub... trying to figure out if it is a me problem, or a bios/hardware problem
[17:37] <sem> it boots from USB into grub, but then when I select a bootline from grub, it hangs after "booting a command list"
[17:37] <diogeness> sem: how did you write the ISO to the USB drive?
[17:37] <sem> etcher
[17:37] <sem> on windows
[17:38] <diogeness> ok as soon as you reach grub menu hit 'e'.
[17:38] <sem> i found this which blames bios https://askubuntu.com/questions/1307514/live-usb-hangs-after-selecting-grub-menu-entry-new-pc
[17:38] <sem> already did diogeness
[17:38] <sem> now I am getting "error: unknown filesystem" underneath 'booting a command list' so that's progress
[17:39] <diogeness> on the linux line remove quiet splash and replace it with noapic
[17:39] <diogeness> then hit ctrl+x and see if you get any output.
[17:40] <sem> thanks I'll try noapic. Maybe I should try another USB drive also
[17:40] <sem> what is the diffrence between noapic and no1apic
[17:41] <sem> diogeness, now I get "error: attempt to read outside hd00, load the kernel first" or something like that -- it went back to grub
[17:42] <diogeness> yeah pretty much could be a BIOS issue.
[17:43] <sem> ok... maybe i can install windows and upgrade bios
[17:44] <diogeness> good idea ^^^
[17:50] <iconoclast_hero> hey so yeah, that got it to grub.
[17:50] <iconoclast_hero> it won't boot up, but i assume that if i get to a kernel panic that's not the fault of grub.
[18:04] <sem> looks like it IS installing now with a different USB drive -- it is just extremely slow
[18:04] <sem> e.g. took a long time for any messages to show up on screen
[18:05] <sem> s/installing/booting/
[18:18] <chico_> To get to activities menu try double tapping the windows key
[18:35] <dave> hi everyone wasin a linux irc last night am was told to check out ubunto studioas i was getting stuck in other distros soits now on my laptop look nice clean works well no dout i wil be in and out of here when i get stuck bye for now
[18:36] <oerheks> there is #ubuntustudio too, here on #libera
[18:37] <oerheks> have fun!
[18:38] <dave> this is ubunto studio 22.4 i think had a good review
[18:39] <chico_> dave: This is ubuntu support
[18:40] <dave> sorry all new to me
[18:40] <dave> wont bother anyone
[18:40] <chico_> Are you using HexChat?
[18:40] <oerheks> chico_, that is oke, but for specific apps questions they are the 1st desk
[18:40] <oerheks> we do any ubuntu flavor..
[18:40] <dave> thank you
[19:21] <Taylor46> Hello, I've got a problem with installing the linux on a Ubuntu 23.04 system. I've added the required links to my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ddebs/list https://dpaste.com/3BDDTQ3R9, but when I run sudo apt-get update, I get the following output https://dpaste.com/GZDAPUQGU. If anyone has any suggestions as to what the problem could be, that would be
[19:21] <Taylor46> great.
[19:22] <Taylor46> Hello, I've got a problem with installing the linux kernel with debug symbols on a Ubuntu 23.04 system. I've added the required links to my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ddebs/list https://dpaste.com/3BDDTQ3R9, but when I run sudo apt-get update, I get the following output https://dpaste.com/GZDAPUQGU. If anyone has any suggestions as to what the problem
[19:22] <Taylor46> could be, that would be great.
[19:22] <Taylor46> Whoops, didn't mean to double post. Apologies
[19:23] <ravage> install 23.10
[19:24] <leftyfb> Taylor46: Ubuntu 23.04 is End of Life and no longer supported
[19:24] <ravage> or the latest LTS release: 22.04
[19:25] <leftyfb> that's always my preferred suggestion
[19:25] <oerheks> for nerds who want to help testing, #next LTS will be released in april
[19:25] <oerheks> !next
[19:27] <Taylor46> I don't think I'm able to update the system, since it's a managed PC. If there's an alternate solution that would be preferable
[19:28] <leftyfb> Taylor46: tell whoever manages it to update it
[19:29] <Voidwarper> I installed 22.04.2 LTS and if run the 6.5 kernel
[19:29] <Voidwarper> I want the 5.15 kernel, can I get 22.04
[19:30] <Voidwarper> Also what is the hwe kernel
[19:30] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: yes, from ubuntu.com
[19:30] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/22.04/release/
[19:31] <Voidwarper> How can I see which kernel this runs
[19:31] <oerheks> oops, wrong
[19:31] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: uname -a
[19:31] <Voidwarper> I mean before downloading it
[19:32] <Voidwarper> Also does the net installer have support for wifi firmware? I want to get this as it's smaller
[19:32] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: why do you need a specific kernel?
[19:32] <Voidwarper> I have issues with newer kernels
[19:32] <Voidwarper> With Intel iris igpu
[19:33] <chico_> uname -r
[19:33] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: there is no "net installer"
[19:34] <Voidwarper> I saw a net installer at alternate downloads
[19:34] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: are you saying 6.5 does or doesn't work with your GPU?
[19:34] <Voidwarper> It causes artifacts like screen blanking for a sec
[19:35] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: which kernel on which distro did you try where you got there?
[19:35] <leftyfb> that*
[19:35] <Voidwarper> I tried Ubuntu and others
[19:36] <Voidwarper> The 6.1 LTS performed the best
[19:36] <Voidwarper> But I want to try the 5.15 line
[19:36] <chico_> if the 5.15 kernel is installed you can boot into it thru the grub menu
[19:36] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: so you tried Ubuntu 22.04 with the latest 6.5 kernel that was just released last night?
[19:37] <Voidwarper> I am on 22.04.02 now with 6.5
[19:37] <chico_> this is the output of uname -a on my system
[19:37] <chico_> Linux EVC141-6bk 6.5.0-18-generic #18~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed Feb  7 11:40:03 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:37] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: then you are wildly out of date
[19:37] <Voidwarper> What do you mean
[19:38] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:38] <leftyfb> run that and reboot, then come back here
[19:38] <Voidwarper> This won't help me, I tried the latest stable kernel as well
[19:38] <Voidwarper> As the mainline
[19:38] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04
[19:38] <leftyfb> run that and reboot, then come back here
[19:39] <Voidwarper> What version is the generic hwe
[19:39] <Voidwarper> 6.75?
[19:39] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: please run the commands
[19:39] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: reboot then come back here
[19:40] <Voidwarper> I am on 22.04.2 iso
[19:40] <Voidwarper> Which I just got
[19:40] <Voidwarper> It's up to date
[19:40] <leftyfb> it's not
[19:40] <leftyfb> ok, install ubuntu, update all the packages, reboot and come back here
[19:41] <oerheks> if you updated, you would be on 22.04.5 now, with that 6.5 kernel?
[19:42] <leftyfb> 22.04.4
[19:42] <leftyfb> which was released less than 24 hours ago
[19:43] <oerheks> lsb_release -a   .. oh right
[19:44] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: also, booting from the live iso is not a definitive method to test hardware
[19:45] <Voidwarper> I am on 22.04.4
[19:46] <Voidwarper> Just installed
[19:46] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: please run the following:   ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; lspci | grep -i vga ; lsblk ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:47] <leftyfb> then paste the resulting URL here
[19:47] <Voidwarper> Ok
[19:51] <Voidwarper> https://termbin.com/n8fu
[19:52] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: are you still getting artifacts?
[19:52] <Voidwarper> Yes
[19:52] <Voidwarper> https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1220223
[19:52] <Voidwarper> This is the issue
[19:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.opensuse.org bug 1220223 in openSUSE Tumbleweed "Screen flashing before and after GDM login on Iris Xe Graphics" [Normal, New]
[19:53] <Voidwarper> I had a video recorded on opensuse, the same happens on Ubuntu
[19:53] <Voidwarper> It was slightly better on Debian which runs the 6.1 kernel, but still not perfect
[19:53] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: sudo apt install linux-image-generic &&  sudo apt remove linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04
[19:53] <Voidwarper> Oo
[19:54] <leftyfb> you could also try the oem kernel
[19:54] <leftyfb> sudo apt-get install linux-oem-22.04d
[19:55] <Voidwarper> I will try the generic you said and report
[19:55] <leftyfb> I would pick one or the other
[19:56] <Voidwarper> I did install the Linux image generic and remove the hwe
[19:57] <Voidwarper> Uname -r says 6.5.0-21-generic after reboot
[19:57] <leftyfb> you'll need to reboot into the 5.15 kernel
[19:57] <Voidwarper> Also grub menu doesn't appear
[19:58] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: apt list installed linux-image* | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:59] <Voidwarper> termbin.com/z1pe
[20:00] <leftyfb> oh, sorry
[20:00] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: apt list --installed linux-image* | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:01] <Voidwarper> termbin.com/2qeq
[20:01] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: sudo apt remove linux-image-6.5.0-18-generic linux-image-6.5.0-21-generic
[20:03] <phchu> hi
[20:04] <Voidwarper> The problem persists on 5.15
[20:04] <Voidwarper> I suspect the Intel microcode
[20:04] <Voidwarper> Can I remove it?
[20:05] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: the oem kernel is 6.1
[20:05] <Voidwarper> Ok will try the oem
[20:05] <leftyfb> and is typically for cutting edge hardware
[20:06] <leftyfb> you'll need to remove the 5.15 kernel after you install the oem kernel
[20:13] <Voidwarper> Problem persists, how can I remove Intel microcode without removing the kernel
[20:13] <Voidwarper> I think Debian worked better because of older Intel microcode
[20:14] <Voidwarper> Because I tried the same kernel 6.1 here too and it didn't behave well
[20:14] <Voidwarper> I want to remove or rollback the firmware for i915
[20:17] <leftyfb> Voidwarper: try: sudo apt install linux-firmware
[20:17] <Voidwarper> It's installed
[20:17] <Voidwarper> I found a thread where a similar issue was fixed by downgrading Intel ucode
[20:18] <Voidwarper> Intel microcode basically
[20:18] <Voidwarper> Does Ubuntu keep an archieve?
[20:19] <Voidwarper> I have version 3. 2023 11 14
[20:19] <Voidwarper> I want one from 2022
[20:20] <oerheks> sure they are to be found on launchpad
[20:21] <oerheks> but i think such action might wreck your install? it is not just the microcode, also kernel patches..;
[20:22] <Voidwarper> I am on oem kernel, I found a thread using iucode-tool to downgrade to an older Intel microcode
[20:22] <sarnold> Voidwarper: there's a snapshot service that might be helpful https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-snapshots-on-azure-ensuring-predictability-and-consistency-in-cloud-deployments
[20:23] <sarnold> (don't worry about all the azure stuff all over that blogpost)
[20:23] <Voidwarper> That's nice. Just have to figure the timestamp
[20:24] <sarnold> yeah
[20:24] <sarnold> hopefully that's only a few reboots ;)
[20:24] <oerheks> you might better try GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=“quiet splash i915.enable_psr=0”
[20:25] <oerheks> from https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404771/screen-flicker-after-fresh-install-of-ubuntu-22-04  and   confirmed at https://forum.manjaro.org/t/what-going-on-with-intels-iris-xe-graphics/113171/9
[21:49] <jcdutton> Has anyone else had problems install ubuntu from the 22.04 iso, booting from USB stick?   If I select custom partitions the installer just crashes with a long error log.   Has anyone actually tested the customer partitions option.
[21:49] <jcdutton> s/customer/custom
[21:52] <oerheks> on what type of hardware? UEFI or legacy mbr?
[21:52] <oerheks> other OS installed? like windows with their hybernate/fstboot?
[21:52] <oerheks> c/fastboot
[21:58] <jcdutton> oerheks, it is on UEFI.  If it helps, debian minimal installer installs fine.
[21:58] <oerheks> do you use the 1st 24.04 iso, or recent 24.04.4 ?
[21:59] <jcdutton> oerheks, it was this image: ubuntu-22.04.3-live-server-amd64.iso
[21:59] <leftyfb> oerheks: %s/24/22/g
[21:59] <oerheks> oops, typo
[22:03] <jcdutton> oerheks, my custom partition is quite simple. 256MB for fat32 EFI, 1G for /BOOT ext2, and the rest of the disk encrypted with a btrfs filesystems
[22:04] <jcdutton> oerheks, exactly the same partition table installs fine with debian. debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
[22:09] <oerheks> i find this post, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2488588&p=14150479#post14150479
[22:12] <jcdutton> oerheks, ok, so the ubuntu installer basically fails if you try btrfs ?
[22:13] <oerheks> not sure that statement is true, 1st line ".. but it does not have installer template scripts like the Desktop Edition. "
[22:13] <oerheks> leftyfb, ^^ ??
[22:14] <jcdutton> oerheks, what is the template bit do?  I am doing a customer partition, so why is a template needed?
[22:15] <jcdutton> It would be ok if it came back and said something like "not a supported partition combination, letting me adjust it until it is happy, but it instead crashes the installer.
[22:17] <oerheks> you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server
[22:17] <oerheks> i have no clue there
[22:26] <jcdutton> oerheks, I have looked at another forum thread: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2491181       Ubuntu staff who respond seem to have a really bad attitude
[22:29] <sarnold> forums tend to foster that, even worse than irc
[22:30] <jeremy31> jcdutton: staff emeritus are retired staff members
[22:46] <bray90820> What does this error meanusb 1-5 device descriptor read 64 error 110
[22:46] <bray90820> usb 1-5 device descriptor read 64 error 110
[22:47] <jeremy31> bray90820: It could be a power issue on USB bus
[22:47] <bray90820> Even when nothing is plugged into said USB ports?
[22:49] <bray90820> jeremy31:
[22:49] <jeremy31> bray90820: Might be a faulty device?
[22:49] <bray90820> I hope not
[22:49] <jeremy31> bray90820: some webcams and most bluetooth devices use the USB bus
[22:49] <JanC> hope it's not the internal USB hub that is broken...
[22:50] <JanC> it could in theory also be a driver issue, but that's quite uncommon with USB nowadays
[22:50] <bray90820> This error happens even when nothing is plugged into the USB ports
[22:50] <bray90820> It happened after I replaced one of my fans
[22:50] <JanC> oh
[22:51] <JanC> hope you didn't break anything then
[22:51] <jeremy31> bray90820: Post URL from terminal for>  lsusb|nc termbin.com 9999
[22:51] <bray90820> There are currently USB devices plugged in just FYI
[22:52] <jcdutton> bray90820, USB messages like that can be caused by radio interference.
[22:52] <bray90820> Can you send the code again without pinging me
[22:52] <jeremy31> lsusb|nc termbin.com 9999
[22:53] <bray90820> https://termbin.com/fj56
[22:54] <bray90820> jeremy31: You got that?
[22:54] <jeremy31> bray90820: that shows a USB video device, a couple mice and an Asus AURA LED controller, and an ethernet device on USB
[22:55] <bray90820> Well I have a video card 1 mouse 1 keyboard and an ethernet port built into the motherboard
[22:56] <bray90820> I also have a scanner connected
[22:56] <bray90820> Oh I also have a USB3 hub and a USB3 KVM
[22:57] <JanC> if this error is on the internal USB hub (the one on the motherboard) then maybe also check if the wires that go to the USB sockets in various places in the computer case are properly connected?
[22:57] <jeremy31> Can you switch what port the KVM is on?
[22:57] <JanC> maybe you touched one of them while changing the fan...
[22:57] <bray90820> You mean like front USB ports?
[22:58] <jeremy31> bray90820: Maybe
[22:58] <JanC> yeah, for example (depends on the case where they are)
[22:58] <bray90820> Well I actually have the front USB ports disconnected currently
[22:58] <jeremy31> A lot of devices are on bus 001
[22:58] <bray90820> Nothing is connected to those headders
[22:58] <rhombus> I am using ufw and it does not appear to be working at all. As in, I have a default DENY policy, and I've added one rule for ssh (port 22), ufw status shows that rule and that it is active, and connections to ports other than 22 are getting through.
[22:59] <JanC> okay, that probably rules that out then
[22:59] <bray90820> So it's probablly the back USB ports?
[23:00] <JanC> those ports are usually directly on the motherboard, so it can't be a loose wire
[23:00] <bray90820> It happens even when no USB devices are connected
[23:01] <JanC> that's why I was thinking it's with (one of) the USB hub(s) on the motherboard
[23:02] <bray90820> Here is an image of the grub errors if you wanna have a look
[23:02] <bray90820> https://imgur.com/a/0jl5Pab
[23:03] <JanC> that's not a grub error  :)
[23:03] <JanC> and it says an USB device is connected
[23:04] <bray90820> I didn't mean it was a grub error i meant the errors show up after grub
[23:04] <bray90820> Should I disconenct every USB device and get  a new image?
[23:04] <JanC> there might be an internal device connected to USB
[23:04] <jeremy31> It almost has to be an issue with an internal hub
[23:04] <bray90820> So the board is bad?
[23:05] <JanC> you can try without anything connected to it
[23:05] <jeremy31> bray90820: URL for>  sudo dmesg|grep -i usb|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:05] <rhombus> I am also using lxd, which is known to "manage"/interfere with firewalls, in case that's relevant.
[23:06] <bray90820> jeremy31: https://termbin.com/rrse
[23:09] <jeremy31> I have no idea what the AURA LED Controller is, but it could be the problem
[23:10] <JanC> you might want to check visibly if all physical USB ports look okay (nothing damaged/broken or jammed in one of them that could cause a short for example :) )
[23:11] <bray90820> Actually It could very well be the LD
[23:12] <bray90820> I'm gonna try something I'll be right back
[23:12] <JanC> also, unplug/replug all devices 1 by 1 while watching "journalctl -f" could be useful to identify what device is "1-5"
[23:16] <JanC> rhombus: you should be able to use nft or iptables to see what firewall rules are actually loaded into the kernel
[23:19] <JanC> IIRC some stuff like routing/forwarding happens before the "normal" firewall rules that ufw sets?
[23:22] <JanC> maybe this is useful... https://documentation.ubuntu.com/lxd/en/latest/howto/network_bridge_firewalld/ ?
[23:29] <bray90820> So I umplugged every USB device and the LED and this is what I get
[23:29] <bray90820> https://imgur.com/a/cQH8eLY
[23:36] <oerheks> sounds like a hw issue, check for a bios update?
[23:37] <bray90820> oerheks: Talking to me?
[23:37] <oerheks> yes?
[23:38] <bray90820> Ok
[23:48] <rhombus> JanC, I discovered that a recent upgrade of lxd mangled the rules in iptables and basically ufw wasn't having any effect anymore.
[23:49] <rhombus> JanC, I've resolved the problem by disabling the firewall in lxd according to the instructions here https://documentation.ubuntu.com/lxd/en/latest/howto/network_bridge_firewalld/
[23:50] <rhombus> JanC, ha, I just saw that you linked that too :)
[23:50] <rhombus> JanC, I didn't consider this because it had been working without needing to explicitly disable it in lxd, but the upgrade did something to change that.
[23:51] <rhombus> Thanks for the tip all the same!
[23:56] <jcdutton> bray90820, it looks more like a RAM chip problem.  Those MCE errors are probably more the cause


[12:04] <mpool> hm i thought so
[12:04] <mpool> echo
[12:04] <lifeless> ohce
[12:04] <spiv> Hello.
[12:05] <lifeless> I believe ddaa is on leave today, can anyone confirm ?
[12:06] <mpool> lifeless: ah it's true
[12:06] <spiv> His StaffCalendar entry appears to be neglected.
[12:06] <mpool> he said "coming back monday evening", but it is not monday evening yet
[12:06] <mpool> slacker
[12:07] <mpool> well shall we proceed for a brief meeting without him?
[12:07] <lifeless> https://launchpad.canonical.com/BazaarMeetingAgenda
[12:07] <lifeless> has the agenda
[12:07] <lifeless> if someone would care to run the meet ?
[12:07] <lifeless> also, I'd like to add dyson status to the agenda
[12:08] <mpool> i will
[12:08] <mpool> == Agenda ==
[12:08] <mpool> Usual introduction
[12:08] <mpool> * roll call * production status
[12:08] <mpool> Current focus
[12:08] <mpool> * SFTP advertising * vcs-import knits * cscvs/bzr-native * supermirror branch browser * private branches * cscvs/svn-symlinks
[12:08] <mpool> Usual end
[12:08] <mpool> * other meeting actions * critical bugs * pending sysadmin tasks * any other business
[12:08] <mpool> hm, odd
[12:09] <mpool> oh well
[12:09] <lifeless> using irssi ?
[12:09] <mpool> #1- roll call
[12:09] <mpool> (yes)
[12:09] <mpool> mbp: here
[12:09] <SteveA> hello
[12:09] <lifeless> paste_join_multiline=no;
[12:09] <lifeless> put that in your config file
[12:10] <spiv> here
[12:12] <mpool> * production status - any comments?
[12:12] <mpool> going once...
[12:12] <mpool> ok, i think the next item not related to ddaa would be "supermiror branch brower"
[12:13] <mpool> for spiv/stevea? on which i was happy to see some mail this week...
[12:13] <lifeless> for spiv
[12:13] <lifeless> spiv: ?
[12:13] <spiv> Yeah, I'm working on that.
[12:13] <spiv> So, the hgweb bzr plugin has moderately ugly code.
[12:14] <spiv> But it doesn't look totally horrible to get it to do what we want.
[12:14] <mpool> ok
[12:14] <spiv> And we can feed improvements we make to it back upstream, of course.
[12:14] <mpool> well
[12:14] <mpool> i think it's up to you whether it's easier to reuse that or do something yourself
[12:15] <spiv> (It does some gratuitously dumb things, like assign to sys.stdout.  Ugh.)
[12:15] <mpool> likely because the hg code is cardcoded to stdout
[12:15] <spiv> I think what I'll do is refactor; perhaps, eventually, we'll replace all the pieces, but no need to throw it all out at once.
[12:16] <spiv> Hmm, I don't think so, it's just this code is being a bit too happy with abusing global state.  But anyway, that's fixable.
[12:16] <mpool> ok
[12:16] <mpool> that sounds like a good approach
[12:16] <mpool> any other comments?
[12:17] <spiv> Not yet.
[12:17] <mpool> ok, so
[12:17] <mpool> * private branches
[12:17] <mpool> whose is this?
[12:17] <lifeless> mine I guess
[12:17] <lifeless> I have not replied to ddaas questions yet, but I scanned them
[12:18] <lifeless> I think they are reasonable requests for more info, but there is no actions to take from them.
[12:19] <mpool> so what is the next action - you need to give ddaa design review feedback?
[12:19] <lifeless> I guess
[12:20] <mpool> cool
[12:20] <mpool> i assume "cscvs" issues rest with david
[12:20] <mpool> * any critical bugs?
[12:20] <jamesh> this was a branch I was working on
[12:20] <jamesh> the svn-symlinks one
[12:20] <mpool> oh, ok
[12:21] <jamesh> it is merged now, so we should be able to import SVN branches that use symlinks correctly when the code gets rolled out
[12:21] <mpool> great
[12:21] <mpool> any other news on it?
[12:21] <jamesh> nope.
[12:21] <mpool> ok, then: any critical bugs or sysadmin requests?
[12:22] <jamesh> the "branch scanner not working" bug should get fixed with tuesday's rollout
[12:23] <mpool> any more?
[12:23] <mpool> * any other business?
[12:23] <lifeless> dyson
[12:23] <lifeless> jamesh: whats news ?
[12:25] <jamesh> lifeless: still working on it.  I've got some basic error handling, but this part of the code does not have much in the way of tests
[12:25] <lifeless> jamesh: Is there an ETA ?
[12:25] <lifeless> for having it deployable, as opposed to perfected.
[12:26] <lifeless> (where the balance is I trust you to decide)
[12:27] <jamesh> lifeless: I can put it up for review and merge tomorrow.  It shouldn't work any less well than before ...
[12:27] <jamesh> s/and merge//
[12:27] <jamesh> will merge when reviewed
[12:27] <lifeless> and thats able to work with the proxy in the dc ?
[12:27] <jamesh> yep.
[12:28] <lifeless> awesome
[12:28] <jamesh> if $ftp_proxy is set, it will use the HTTP implementation of the Walker class too
[12:28] <lifeless> great work
[12:31] <mpool> ok, any other business?
[12:31] <lifeless> noot from I
[12:32] <SteveA> nope
[12:32] <spiv> Nope.
[12:32] <mpool> ok, thanks - a short meeting is a good meeting
[12:32] <mpool> 3
[12:32] <mpool> 2
[12:32] <mpool> ...
[12:32] <mpool> 1
[12:32] <mpool> ...
[12:33] <mpool> sold!
[12:33] <mpool> i'll post a summary to the wiki
[12:33] <lifeless> also mail launchpad@ please