[02:59] <phillw> anyone still about ?
[03:00] <phillw> nhandler >>> poke, about the !language warning
[03:00] <nhandler> What about it phillw ?
[03:02] <phillw> as we have no OP's on #lubuntu that are ever there, if someone has a troll, bad mouther etc., is there a way of reporting them to ask for help?


[03:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF opened [pull request #2851](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2851): Drop redundant eglmesaext.h include
[03:11] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF edited [pull request #2851](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2851): Drop redundant eglmesaext.h include
 "Saviq:..." <- Well, mine, which else? Please feel free to re-sign - we never signed with the bot's key?
[10:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2851](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2851): Drop redundant eglmesaext.h include
[16:56] <Saviq> And good night o\
[22:48] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww opened [pull request #2852](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2852): Use wayland::Weak in place of raw pointers in XDG surfaces
[22:48] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[22:48] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > While poking around in WLCS I noticed that we have some potential for use-after-free in XDG surfaces. This clears those issues up.
 "Well, mine, which else? Please..." <- We should probably work out a signing solution the team has access to 😀
[23:29] <Saviq> I think so far whoever uploaded the tarball signed it, no? :)
[23:29] <Saviq> But yes, we want CI to do it. It's even planned out somewhere


[01:19] <RenatoSilva> do you guys intend to incorporate the changes from git repo of emerald which makes it work with natty's compiz?
[01:19] <RenatoSilva> i.e. are you planning to update emerald package from upstream
[01:20] <RenatoSilva> I'm desperately trying to find a way to enable emerald in natty. I can't find any deb package tough, only manual steps for installing from git source
[01:21] <spiv> RenatoSilva: I think you may be asking the wrong channel
[01:21] <spiv> This sounds like an Ubuntu issue, not a Launchpad one.
[01:21] <RenatoSilva> hmm, which #ubuntu-* then?
[01:22] <RenatoSilva> #ubuntu-desktop?
[01:24] <spiv> Perhaps just start with #ubuntu, I expect they'll redirect you if appropriate.  In general though natty has already been released, so I doubt any large changes will be made at this point.
[01:24] <spiv> Perhaps there might be a backport or PPA you could enable.
[01:30] <RenatoSilva> bug 733393
[01:31] <RenatoSilva> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+bug/733393/comments/25
[01:32] <RenatoSilva> the incovenience is that in the update manager, I need to manually uncheck all the other stuff :(
[01:32] <RenatoSilva> hmmm right click does magic
[01:41] <RenatoSilva> thanks anyway will try the proposed update right now
[01:45] <RenatoSilva> seems to not work immediately
[02:44] <jacob> hey, is there a way to cancel a PPA deletion? I fatfingered and nuked the wrong one. it's jpeddicord/jobs if possible
[02:47] <jacob> if that's not possible, could the "jobs" name be released so that I can re-create it there?
[10:18] <Merwin> Hi.  would like to know I could create a mirror of a github repository on launchpad?
[15:44] <RenatoSilva> still no import: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/purple-plugin-pack/trunk
[15:46] <RenatoSilva> see linked bug 670870. shouldn't be fixed already in launchpad?
[16:01] <RenatoSilva> another question: is the patch presence in a bug used in any way?
[16:03] <RenatoSilva> because there's a bug whose patch I moved to upstream. Now I wonder if if made the bug have less priority on the queue
[16:14] <dpm> hi, we've opened Oneiric translations and we're trying to set the translation focus for Ubuntu to Oneiric at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+configure-translations, but we're getting oopses such as OOPS-1997G36
[16:14] <dpm> could someone help us to change the translation focus?
[16:18] <henninge> dpm: I get the same error. Can you please file a bug about it?
[16:18] <henninge> it's a timeout btw.
[16:20] <dpm> henninge, sure, bug 799785
[16:21] <henninge> dpm:  thanks
[16:21] <dpm> np :)
[18:24] <yunosh> is project searching broken atm?
[18:32] <benji> yunosh: not that I'm aware of; I just did a search and got good results
[18:32] <yunosh> hm, in only get a huge tag cloud with all projects that have branches
[18:35] <Abhijit> hi
[18:35] <Abhijit> i need to host open source project on launchapd
[18:35] <Abhijit> so i want to know if laucnhapd is foss ?
[18:35] <Abhijit> where can i get its terms of use and other legal ters of use?
[18:35] <Abhijit> please help
[18:36] <Ursinha> Abhijit: just a moment, let me find you a link
[18:36] <Abhijit> ok
[18:36] <Ursinha> Abhijit: I believe you can have it here: https://help.launchpad.net/
[18:36] <yunosh> :)
[18:37] <Abhijit> Ursinha, on that page where is info for the fact that under which license launchpad is released?
[18:38] <Ursinha> Abhijit: I believe so, if you scroll down the page you have: "Please also take a look at our terms of use, privacy policy and other legal information."
[18:38] <Ursinha> with links
[18:38] <Abhijit> okay
[18:38] <Abhijit> now on those pages
[18:38] <Abhijit> thanks.
[18:39] <Ursinha> Abhijit: to be honest, you can see this in launchpad itself
[18:39] <Ursinha> https://launchpad.net/launchpad
[18:39] <Ursinha> Launchpad is affero gpl v3
[18:40] <Abhijit> okay
[18:40] <Ursinha> hope this helps
[18:42] <Abhijit> sure.
[18:50] <poolie> ScottK: my fault for reawakening the project?
[18:50] <poolie> of dkim
[18:50] <ScottK> poolie: Yes.
[18:50] <poolie> i was so happy to see other people not only file but also fix bugs
[18:51] <ScottK> New version is in oneiric.
[18:51] <ScottK> I wonder if the original developer will notice.
[18:51] <ScottK> He certainly didn't appear to notice emails to him.
[20:38] <ricotz> hello, are there going to be more ppa builders soon again?
[22:48] <jacob> yesterday I accidentally deleted the wrong PPA. I realize it probably cannot be restored, so could the PPA named jpeddicord/jobs be completely deleted/renamed so that I can re-upload there?
[23:07] <maxb> jacob: Unfortunately there is no way to resurrect a deleted ppa name at present
[23:07] <jacob> maxb: argh. that's a bit of a pain.
[23:07] <maxb> yes :-/
[23:08] <jacob> I can re-create under a different name, I suppose. but on that note, why allow a permanent deletion (especially so easily) if it locks out the name?
[23:10] <maxb> People wanted a deletion method for a long time to be able to unblock renaming a user account
[23:10] <maxb> The current implementation allows that much, at least.
[23:15] <tumbleweed> someone (who can't connect to freenode right now) is hitting OOPS-1997DQ72 while resubmitting a merge proposal


[00:05] <tsimonq2> Dan Simmons: I'm getting Reddit
[00:06] <tsimonq2> teward: If you give me a container I can set up Synapse (or even Dendrite)
[00:07] <tsimonq2> teward: I'd really like to just have a Lubuntu space so I can only tell the people interested in Comms that the Comms thing was done, for example
[00:07] <kc2bez[m]> 🥡
[00:07] <kc2bez[m]> :P
[00:08] <teward> i can happily set up a container for Synapse
[00:08] <teward> but... tomorrow
[00:08] <teward> finishing the 501c3 paperwork for Lubuntu Association right now
[00:08] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:08] <tsimonq2> ok
[00:08] <tsimonq2> very nice
[00:14] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Have a few minutes? I'm online
[00:14]  * tsimonq2 backports qps as-is from Kinetic and lets arraybolt3 make further changes
[00:17] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ssh-ppa:lubuntu-dev/backports-staging ../qps_2.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1_source.changes`
[00:17] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm here.
[00:18] <tsimonq2> Sup.
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> I've got lxqt-archiver done and added to the list so far.
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, we need to make sure the actual source code in the backports is uploaded to GiTea or GitHub or both.
[00:19] <tsimonq2> ok so I'm reviewing and uploading libfm-qt now
[00:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: As soon as this all settles down we'll be completely migrating to GiTea
[00:19] <arraybolt3[m]> qtxdg-tools on Salsa is broken, I dunno what went wrong with Git, but even a force-push isn't working, so I'mma have to delete the repo and try again.
[00:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Can you give me 15 minutes before we get really started again? I've got some things to attend to in $PERSONAL_LIFE.
[00:21] <tsimonq2> Unfortunately I have about 15 minutes before I have to leave.
[00:21] <tsimonq2> Apologies, we'll get in-sync at some point
[00:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK. I'll be back and knock out some more packages hopefully. Lemme know when you're about to be ready again so we can get back to it co-op mode again.
[00:23] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: So about GiTea... We should chat at some point. I think I have everything mirrored from GitHub currently. I think I can slap an Uno reverse on that and make it go the other way when we are ready. I will probably need to get with you to make that happen though.
[02:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Hey, if you're around, I'm back.
[02:26] <arraybolt3[m]> (That took me WAY longer than 15 minutes, but FWIW, I did some more work on Debian in there.)
[02:32] <tsimonq2> Sounds good, not back yet
[02:32] <arraybolt3[m]> K.
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I think I've finally hit a spot that's worthy of an Ubuntu delta. lxqt-config has configuration in debian/rules related to the GNU/Hurd and kfreebsd kernels (no, not a joke). But this configuration is only in Debian - Ubuntu doesn't have this configuration in its debian/rules. I think the stuff about GNU/Hurd and kfreebsd ought to stay in Debian, where it makes sense, and be omitted from Ubuntu, where it looks more like a
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> practical joke. Thoughts?
[02:48] <tsimonq2> +1, show me the delta diff
[02:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Pastebin incoming...
[02:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://pastebin.com/txVMin6L
[02:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Some of the stuff in Ubuntu probably should come into Debian, I think.
[02:50] <arraybolt3[m]> One important consideration is that finagling this particular file will take extra work, if the extra kernel stuff is benign, we may want to just let it tag along anyway.
[02:50] <tsimonq2> Well, also think about it like this... will those flags do any harm on Ubuntu?
[02:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Exactly.
[02:50] <tsimonq2> Right, so why keep a delta if it's just more work and won't hurt anything? :)
[02:51] <arraybolt3[m]> So we can just do one careful merge into Debian and be done, or we can be perfectionists and do extra work that the end user won't ever see and that will take up minimal space.
[02:51] <tsimonq2> Also, what about Ubuntu derivatives that use that kernel? Why are we being unfair to them?
[02:52] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL well I guess when someone makes an April Fool's joke in the future it'll come in handy, but I'd think anyone who really wanted to make a GNU/Hurd derivative would just go with Debian. But still, if they're harmless, may as well keep them.
[02:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, would just base it off of Debian.)
[18:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, I should mention, Andrew wrote me back about libfm-qt, we're clear to merge our changes in.
[19:23] <tsimonq2> qtermwidget_1.1.0-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into experimental, experimental
 "Hey, I should mention, Andrew..." <- Sweet!
[19:23] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋
[19:26] <tsimonq2> Heya!
[19:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, sorry, I'm back.
[19:41] <arraybolt3[m]> How's it going?
[20:11] <tsimonq2> Not too bad. Just waiting on my boss for $dayjob to start a meeting. Yourself?
[20:12] <arraybolt3[m]> OK I guess. Working on lxqt-globalkeys, also getting involved in way too many conversations at once.
[20:12] <tsimonq2> I get that feeling lol
[20:27] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: libfm-qt> Could you please make sure you have the lxqt-team remote added in Salsa, fetch that to a separate local branch, and perhaps cherry-pick your changes over? I want any new changes to be built on top of his. That includes reverting his symbols removal, etc. Just please be mindful to *build on top of Andrew's recent changes*.
[20:27] <tsimonq2> Does that make sense?
[20:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes, but I'd better move to my desktop since this is gonna be tricky doing it over Remmina.
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> I think I should finish hammering out lxqt-globalkeys first or I'm gonna get confused.
[20:29] <tsimonq2> I'm seeing Stage IV commits done too, are those going to be okay to straight merge in or will I have to carefully review and three-way merge in again?
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm almost done.
[20:29] <tsimonq2> (Meaning, did you merge in `debian/sid` *prior* to making your changes or will I have to do that retroactively?)
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): I'd check them, I've switched to the good workflow with merging in Sid, but the early Stage IV ones *might* be a problem. Just gitk to see if I did it right.
[20:29] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: No problem, just let me know how I can help. I should be around for a little bit longer, my boss gave me a deadline of Monday afternoon to fix some stuff so I guess between now and then I'll have to take the time.
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (I don't remember whether I did all of Stage IV right or was doing it wrong at the start :P)
[20:30] <tsimonq2> My car just went kaput so there goes $sidejob for now.
[20:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh for the love of mercy. That's awful.
[20:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Dawns on me, I can gitk and check the Stage IV stuff.
 "(I don't remember whether I..." <- I would like to please ask you to fix the uploads I haven't reviewed yet. Here was my entire process:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2ccbea3e90efb58a806f4c0e36d2577567006837)
 "Oh for the love of mercy. That's..." <- Yeah, it was just the serpentine belt but it's in the shop right now. The downside to using a reputable mechanic is that they have a line out to the road always for people who need their car fixed.
[20:36] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Looks like there's only two packages that are wonky (lximage-qt and lxqt-about)
[20:36] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Okay. I'm going to take a break, clear my head, organize what I need to get done over the next several days given the conversation with my boss, and then touch base when I can start reviewing stuff.
[20:36] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> I would like to please ask you to fix the uploads I haven't reviewed yet. Here was my entire process:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/94c8dafd33047817e7415ece744c45b03d8aba64)
[20:37] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yep, or remember, you can use `git cherry-pick` and separate branches if your git-fu is strong.
[20:38] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. That makes sense, sadly my git-fu isn't quite that strong, so the quickest route would be a full rebuild.
[20:38] <tsimonq2> Go for it. I'd say clear the entries in the doc that you need to redo so I don't get confused.
[20:38] <tsimonq2> Either way, please review all of the diffs that I'm about to review carefully.
[20:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Put big red X symbols rather than checkmarks and needs review.
[20:38] <tsimonq2> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> I would like to please ask you to fix the uploads I haven't reviewed yet. Here was my entire process:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8facba1a26e8e1c85d828fb1a35b1e7ab5df350e)
[20:39] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Also, feel free to send me a pastebin with syncpackage lines I should run.
[20:39] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Sounds like a plan!
[20:39] <tsimonq2> Cool, talk in a few :)
[20:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Don't touch the spreadsheet for a quick minute.
[20:50] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[20:51] <arraybolt3[m]> One moment, afk
[20:56] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, back
[21:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Safe to edit the spreadsheet again?
[21:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt-globalkeys done, lxqt-admin done
[21:18] <tsimonq2> Very cool, very cool.
[21:27] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Not against it, but in lxqt-admin, why?
[21:27] <tsimonq2> ```
[21:27] <tsimonq2> +               libsystemd-dev,
[21:27] <tsimonq2> ```
[21:27] <tsimonq2>  * arraybolt3: Not against it, but in lxqt-admin, why?
[21:27] <tsimonq2> ```
[21:27] <tsimonq2> +               libsystemd-dev,
[21:27] <tsimonq2> ```
[21:28] <tsimonq2> Otherwise nice job. Progress.
[21:30] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-admin_1.1.0-1_source.changes`
[21:35] <tsimonq2> lxqt-globalkeys looks good, but please don't remove all the shorttext
[21:35] <tsimonq2> e.g.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/645a08a17ca7cb368201f4906b918c7910efb7f0)
[21:35] <tsimonq2> s/]//
[21:36] <tsimonq2> I'm going to have to poke #debian-ftp about lxqt-globalkeys then too,
[21:42] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-globalkeys_1.1.0-1_amd64.changes`
[21:45] <tsimonq2> ok into the patches we go
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> arraybolt3: Not against it, but in lxqt-admin, why?... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/38ae9781affedaa919b1d582dfca9c0a2eac45de)
[21:52] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: All goof
[21:52] <tsimonq2> > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> Tagged along from Ubuntu, didn't notice it in the diff. I'll pay more attention next time.
[21:52] <tsimonq2>  * All good
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (Though auditing the build deps seems a tad overkill to me.)
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> All goof, indeed.
[21:53] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> e.g.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a9bcdc6560d54cefa5e91720f3bb677a0ed74534)
[22:01] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: debconf is happening right now and they're having an LXQt BoF later this week/next week
[22:01] <tsimonq2> They're in Europe somewhere but it should be right up our alley to join remotely.
[22:01] <tsimonq2> I'll ask if it's a video call (if we both need to verify that kind of setup) or not
 "`$ dput ftp-master lxqt-admin_1...." <- `lxqt-admin_1.1.0-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
[22:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Sadly, I'm not able to do a video call (my house is a wreck and I have to get up from what I'm doing every 30 seconds sometimes, so I'd end up disrupting the whole thing).
[22:02] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'd be interested in getting package sync requests from you from Debian to Ubuntu and then to Backports.
[22:02] <arraybolt3[m]> "OK, back. Oh, hold on one moment... OK, here I am. Actually, wait one sec..."
 Is that more important that the Debian packaging rn?
[22:03] <tsimonq2> Equally as important. I'd say get Ubuntu and Backports caught up once you're stuck on dinstall
[22:03] <tsimonq2> I'd at least like to get the archives caught up, I can merge in Git repos later
[22:04] <arraybolt3[m]> How will I know if I'm stuck on dinstall or not?
[22:04] <arraybolt3[m]> (I can't run the command myself and have it work, will it tell me anyway?)
[22:04] <tsimonq2> When you're waiting on one of the packages we just uploaded to publish in the archive
[22:04] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yeah there's a page somewhere
[22:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, because Debian has an archive too. Right.
[22:05] <arraybolt3[m]> And I can check that on tracker.debian.<something>, right?
[22:05] <arraybolt3[m]> tracker.debian.org
[22:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (sometimes the URL ends in .net, sometimes .org, you never can tell unless you've memorized it)
[22:05] <tsimonq2> `dinstall @ 0152,0752,1352,1952 UTC`
[22:06] <tsimonq2> dinstall must happen before a package source can be synced from Debian into Ubuntu
[22:06] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, so the last sync was...
[22:06]  * arraybolt3[m] starts fighting with time
[22:06] <tsimonq2> We're UTC-5 and you can get the current UTC time with `date -u` if you're lazy
[22:06] <tsimonq2> `Wed Jul 13 10:06:47 PM UTC 2022`
[22:07] <tsimonq2> Okay, so the next run will be at 0152
[22:07] <arraybolt3[m]> So anything uploaded today isn't synced yet.
[22:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, I keep getting Debian emails about failed pipeline builds, I see some of the commits made by the real devs get those too, are those of any consequence?
[22:08] <tsimonq2> Some of the earlier stuff may be
[22:08] <arraybolt3[m]> (They're from Debian Salsa.)
[22:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: bah doesn't matter
[22:08] <tsimonq2> `lxqt-globalkeys_1.1.0-1_amd64.changes is NEW`
[22:08] <arraybolt3[m]> The only two things done today so far are the ones you just uploaded.
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Ah, okay
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Well, I'm going to go off and do a few other little things here
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Keep pinging me when you have changes ready
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Trying to build the syncpackage lines...
[22:09] <tsimonq2> And if you want me to jump in just let me know, or I can let you get the practice
[22:10] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Here's an example of one I just wrote: `syncpackage -f -s arraybolt3 -d experimental libqtxdg`
[22:10] <tsimonq2> You only need -f if you're syncing over an Ubuntu delta
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. My trouble is, I dunno what's been synced yet or not.
[22:10] <tsimonq2> And usually, autosync is turned on so if there is no Ubuntu delta, as long as it's uploaded to Debian it will sync down
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> I think this is the list:
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> `syncpackage -d experimental -s arraybolt3 lxqt-qtplugin`
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> `syncpackage -d experimental -s arraybolt3 obconf-qt`
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> `syncpackage -d experimental -s arraybolt3 pavucontrol-qt`
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> `syncpackage -d experimental -s arraybolt3 qtermwidget`
[22:11] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: `!upkg PKG` in duckduckgo.com
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, nice!
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (Forgot about that trick.)
[22:11] <tsimonq2> $ syncpackage -d experimental -s arraybolt3 lxqt-qtplugin
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Source lxqt-qtplugin -> kinetic/Proposed: current version 1.1.0-0ubuntu1, new version 1.1.0-1
[22:11] <tsimonq2> --force is required to discard Ubuntu changes.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> All of those probably need -f
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. OK, because they don't need Ubuntu deltas anymore.
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> (I thought the -f preserved them, /me needs to read man pages)
[22:13] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: `rmadison PACKAGENAME` Can tell you what version is where too.
[22:14] <tsimonq2> `The source package 'qtermwidget' status Superseded not in (Pending,Published) in experimental for pockets Release, Security, Updates, Proposed with status in Pending, Published`
[22:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Does that mean "wait until next dinstall"?
[22:15] <tsimonq2> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 19:00:10 +0000
[22:15] <tsimonq2> bah so not in time
[22:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: yeah unfortunately in this case it does
[22:15] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍, will keep it around for later.
[22:15] <tsimonq2> here's an example...
[22:15] <tsimonq2> the other packages should be okay
[22:16] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-qtplugin/1.1.0-1/+publishinghistory
[22:16] <tsimonq2> \Copied from debian experimental in Primary Archive for Debian GNU/Linux by Aaron Rainbolt (sponsored by Simon Quigley)
[22:16]  * tsimonq2 goes afk for dinner
[22:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt-archiver double-checked and ready for review
[22:20] <tsimonq2> FWIW I've been doing `git diff debian/VERSION_IN_SID debian/experimental`
[22:21] <tsimonq2> And you can even specify the debian dir to only get those changes
[22:21] <tsimonq2> Just make sure there's no garbage please :)
[22:21] <arraybolt3[m]> That's what I did with that last package! Worked great.
[22:25] <tsimonq2> Dinner at a Chinese buffet... because my mom wants fried chicken... (working at her house today)
[22:25] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL only in America.
[22:27] <tsimonq2> Dan Simmons: Any luck with the installer btw?
[22:27] <kc2bez[m]> The sign at ours says "All kind food."
[22:27] <kc2bez[m]> Haven't poked at it yet.
[22:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Mine was "great food at great price!"
[22:27] <tsimonq2> also lol on r/Ubuntu they said too little too late, downvoted to oblivion but like who tf cares 🤣
[22:28] <kc2bez[m]> Totes
[22:28] <tsimonq2> If I was just starting out contributing I'd be a lot more pressed
[22:28] <tsimonq2> I honestly don't care now lol
[22:29] <kc2bez[m]> I feel bad but only a little.
[22:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Reddit is just mean. I've had to learn to not care what the mean people think.
[22:29] <kc2bez[m]> I don't know where time went is all I've got.
[22:29] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Bingo
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Better late than never, just be happy we got to it when we did
[22:30] <kc2bez[m]> I agree
[22:30] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: Your praises will be sung in the announcement announcement :)
[22:30] <arraybolt3[m]> What post are you guys talking about?
[22:31] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Backports
[22:31] <tsimonq2> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/vxou9e/lubuntu_devs_announce_the_lubuntu_backports_ppa/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
[22:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy. Man, we worked night and day on that thing and we get told "You're too slow"?! How much work do you expect a team of... crud, I lost count... people to do?
[22:34] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: I'm too slow, not you. They were complaining because they thought it should have been in the release.
[22:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Do we know of any GNOME settings that lxqt-config needs to handle?
[22:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (Fighting with an install dep change, not sure whether to keep the old version or go with the new.)
[22:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think it's go with the new.)
[22:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt-config done and ready for review, there's a note about the package in CodiMD that's important.
[23:31] <tsimonq2> Rober: https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/commit/266e2478c60ac7c51e2a796218975b131be2d47a what do you think about this?
[23:31] <tsimonq2> Rober: If you think the fix looks important enough we can include it, asking for input first.
[23:31] <tsimonq2> Also, hi
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt..." <- ack
[23:31] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋
[23:31]  * tsimonq2 reviews Aaron'
[23:32]  * tsimonq2  * reviews Aaron's pending work
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> btw, feel free to take packages, I think I've practiced enough to get the technique down, so now we just care about speed.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> That's what I like to hear. Let'
[23:32] <tsimonq2> * hear. Let's do it.
[23:33] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, remoted into my desktop, ready for action.
[23:36] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: lxqt-config> Is that a build dep or a runtime dep?
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> I think runtime.
[23:37] <tsimonq2> Was it removed in Debian or did we just add it at some point?
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Hold on, solving mystery (suddenly can't find the line!)
[23:38] <tsimonq2> Sounds good. :)
[23:38] <tsimonq2> In the meantime, I'll review lxqt-archiver and claim another one.
[23:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Looks like it was added in 0.13.0 and then just got... lost?
[23:40]  * arraybolt3[m] looks at commit history
[23:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, I found it. It was missing in Ubuntu, and so when I merged in Ubuntu's changes, it got clobbered.
[23:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Thus why I asked if it was important, turns out it was! Adding and pushing...
[23:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, something I'm only noticing now that I'm looking at the diff in gitk and not in a text file - ubuntu has qt5-style-plugins in Suggests, while Debian originally had them in Recommends. Thoughts?
[23:47] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-archiver_0.6.0-1_source.changes`
[23:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Thank you!
[23:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Hmm, promote to Recommends and let's see what happens. I like chaos.
[23:48] <tsimonq2> Sup with lxqt-about again?
[23:48] <tsimonq2> oh
[23:49] <tsimonq2> wait no different package, what is up with that?
[23:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Still not redone that yet, gonna do it after lximage-qt.
[23:49] <tsimonq2> Cool. I'll take a package here.
[23:49] <arraybolt3[m]> That's why it's a big X rather than a checkmark or a tractor.
[23:49] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Running a quick gbp buildpackage to make sure I didn't break anything horribly before pushing.
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Slightly delayed, build failed due to missing comma...


[00:42] <eddieftw> hey jjesse
[00:43] <jjesse> hello eddieftw
[00:45] <eddieftw> jjesse: i made membership :P
[00:48] <jjesse> eddieftw: congrats :)
[00:52] <eddieftw> thanks.
[00:55] <eddieftw> now i need to do some work with docs...
[00:55] <eddieftw> now that the freeze is over
[01:10] <jjesse> good luck
[22:40] <ubotu> New bug: #195590 in ubuntu-docs (main) "home page has blurry font" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195590
[23:13] <visualdeception> ok so I am looking through some of the current bugs to do some triaging. and I see bug #185962 {https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/185962}
[23:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185962 in ubuntu-docs ""The partition" is unspecified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185962
[23:15] <visualdeception> but I'm not really sure where to go from here, just add a comment that more information is needed?? or just assign it to the documentation team??
[23:16] <visualdeception> or maybe the bugs i'm just over my head *shrugs*


[02:48] <davef> Wow, this BA pilot got it wrong on landing, tail strike.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9JCE4Kqfg
[07:51] <knightwise> morning everyone
[14:51] <diddledani> *sigh* https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/02/ubuntu-core-space-station-art-iss-nasa
[16:33]  * zxmpi ponders that something more stupid than nfts will eventually come along to replace nfts but can't imagine anything dumber than nfts
[16:35] <davef> Ugh, NTFs?
[16:36] <davef> I'm hoping NFTs will die at some point.
[19:52] <davef> This is pretty much a wrong room sort of question, but is there any decent open-source Git GUI app for Windows?
[22:07] <zxmpi> only times i have ever tried git, even on linux is from command line. i wonder if there is a gui client that works on mac/linux/winders
[22:08] <zxmpi> when i used gui irc client and the 3 oses. i used quassel on all 3 so that there was 1 app to learn
[22:09] <zxmpi> https://git-scm.com/download/gui/linux so a few that seem to work on all oses
[22:09] <zxmpi> https://git-scm.com/download/gui/linux
[22:34] <davef> GitKraken keeps cropping up. I did like the free version, but it doesn't work with privately hosted repos anymore. I might see if I can swing a license for it at work.


[05:35] <pitti> Good morning
[05:35] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[06:35] <pitti> chrisccoulson: as the original reporter, would you mind testing language-selector in -proposed for bug 771176? would be much appreciated
[06:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 771176 in language-selector "langauge-selector non-functional in natty due to missing gnome-user-guide-xx packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771176
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti. sure, i can do that in a bit
[07:48] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, good morning
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> good morning :)
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> pitti - language-selector verified now. i could have commented earlier really, i've been using language-selector to test some other stuff already ;)
[08:50] <pitti> chrisccoulson: awesome, thanks
[08:51] <chrisccoulson> pitti - if we ship firefox translations in separate packages in the future, do we need to update language-selector to pull in the firefox translations when firefox is installed?
[08:51] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> pitti - is there any way to trigger language-selector to install the correct language packs if someone installs firefox after install? (eg, someone using KDE perhaps)
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> or does that only happen manually?
[08:53] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right now it happens manually; it's a rather long-standing TODO item to integrate this into software-center
[08:54] <pitti> e. g. if you install a KDE package under Ubuntu, it should pull in l-p-kde-*
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it might be worth discussing that at UDS then. perhaps we should have a separate session for translations after all
[08:55] <pitti> that's not a ffox specific problem, though
[08:55] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we could add it to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-clean-up-language-support
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> pitti - sure, that sounds good
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> and i'm coming to that one anyway ;)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> perhaps we should invite mvo to that one too then
[08:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: updated description, please feel free to sub
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[08:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: sub'ed mvo
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[09:40] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:42] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[09:43] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[09:52] <seb128> hey pitti rodrigo_
[09:53] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:56] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[09:56] <pitti> seb128: how's the sprint?
[09:56] <rodrigo_> sorry, hi seb128
[09:56] <rodrigo_> already said hi to pitti :)
[09:56] <seb128> pitti, less busy today with half of the people at somehand
[09:56] <seb128> but nice otherwise
[09:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, how's the weather in budapest, btw?
[10:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, sorry got sidetracked, weather is nice
[10:54] <seb128> over 20°c during the day, nice enough to have a tshirt
[10:54] <seb128> but better to have a jacket for the evenings
[10:55] <rodrigo_> ok, cool
[10:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, so after rebasing from debian, we can keep doing our own changes to the gnome3 packages, right? like updating to a new upstream version, right?
[10:56] <seb128> sure
[10:56] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:56] <seb128> you can do it in the same update
[10:56] <seb128> just bump the changelog version
[10:57] <seb128> no need of a new changelog entry
[10:57] <seb128> just update the one you are using to summarize the changes to the current version
[10:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, well, I already uploaded the package, so need a proper update
[10:59] <seb128> right
[11:15] <jbicha> what's the scope of the gnome3 PPA? is it going to be a copy of everything gnome3 from oneiric?
[11:16] <jbicha> for instance, gnome-panel 3 won't play nice with Natty's indicators so it wouldn't be as useful to have that
[11:16] <jbicha> in the PPA, right?
[11:17] <rodrigo_> jbicha, ideally, we should keep the ppa to have 3.0.x updates, at least for what we have right now
[11:17] <rodrigo_> jbicha, for the panel, once it's available in oneiric, we can just backport it to the PPA
[11:18] <rodrigo_> jbicha, but remember we 1st need e-d-s 3.0
[11:18] <rodrigo_> that's why I didn't even try to package it
[11:18] <jbicha> you mean evolution?
[11:18] <rodrigo_> yes, evolution-data-server
[11:18] <jbicha> that's required for gnome-panel?
[11:18] <rodrigo_> yes, for the clock applet afaik
[11:19] <rodrigo_> we can build without it though
[11:20] <jbicha> but is gnome-panel 3 a good idea for Natty users?
[11:20] <rodrigo_> jbicha, are you going to UDS?
[11:20] <rodrigo_> jbicha, well, see the thread in ubuntu-devel-discuss, it seems it is for some
[11:20] <jbicha> no, I don't have the money & didn't apply for sponsorship, I'm going to try to get sponsored for Orlando though
[11:22] <jbicha> is this guy's Evolution good? https://launchpad.net/~danilo/+archive/evolution
[11:22] <rodrigo_> yes, that's danilo, so yeah!
[11:23] <jbicha> ok, I don't know him :-) but I'm relatively new to the Desktop team
[11:24] <rodrigo_> he told me about his epiphany packages, but not these ones, so cool that we have them
[11:25] <jbicha> I found it through reading through some of the forums today, the forums are a scary place
[11:25] <rodrigo_> yes, they are :)
[11:25] <rodrigo_> but I see you can find useful info sometimes :)
[11:26] <jbicha> gksudo apt-get dist-upgrade appears to break .ICEauthority permissions not that I've ever tried that
[11:27] <jbicha> I wish we could nuke the ill-advised recommendations there
[11:31] <rodrigo_> in the forums? isn't there a forum administrator/reviewer?
[11:34] <jbicha> oh, I haven't tried the report post feature, let me see if that works
[11:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, the issue is that we can't port the gnome-panel to gtk3 without applets and indicators and if indicators then unity
[11:47] <seb128> jbicha, ^
[11:49] <jbicha> seb128: so are you saying you don't want gnome-panel 3 in even Oneiric yet?
[11:49] <seb128> correct
[11:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, right, we need to port everything
[11:49] <seb128> we should start with components we can get in without breaking our default desktop and then think about transitions for the remaining bits
[11:49] <seb128> same for gdm
[11:49] <rodrigo_> yes
[12:03] <JanC> hmpf, my compose key doesn't work anymore?
[14:24] <nivardus> does the gnome3-team ppa have gnome-tweaks or is there another simple way to change icon themes?
[14:27] <xclaesse> nivardus, it has gnome-tweak-tool
[14:29] <nivardus> oop, thanks :)
[15:46] <fagan> Hmmm I wanted to catch jono or rick but they must be at the canonical summit :/
[15:46] <cassidy> seb128, are you still having users reporting this crash https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/750118 ?
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 750118 in empathy "empathy-auth-client crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invalidate() (dup-of: 726842)" [Undecided,New]
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 726842 in telepathy-glib "empathy-auth-client crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invalidate()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:47] <seb128> cassidy, not recently
[15:47] <seb128> we turn off apport by default in stable but we didn't get recent duplicates before doing either it seems
[15:48] <cassidy> seb128, neither of us is experiencing is any more so I'm wondering if it may have been fixed as a side effect of another change
[15:48] <seb128> could be
[15:48] <seb128> you can close it if you think it's fixed, we will reopen if needed
[15:54] <cyphermox> seb128: I'm looking at the policykit-1-gnome merge, running into a small issue -- would it be better to follow upstream, which drops status icons for temporary authz and also drop out indicator patch, or keep the indicator patch and increase it with the partial revert of the commit which drops status-icon support?
[15:54] <cassidy> seb128, ok, please let me know if more dups are reported
[15:55] <cyphermox> oops
[16:15] <seb128> re
[16:15] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry got sidetracked
[16:15] <seb128> cyphermox, do you know why they dropped it? you should check with mpt what design think about it
[16:16] <cyphermox> sure
[16:16] <cyphermox> it got dropped mostly because gnome-sheel doesn't have status icons ;)
[16:16] <mpt> \o/
[16:16] <seb128> well GNOME3 stopped using it iirc
[16:16] <cyphermox> ok
[16:17] <seb128> well they don't integrated the authentification agent in the shell, or at least the ui
[16:17] <seb128> -don't
[16:18] <seb128> mpt, \o/ means we don't need to bother about having an icon indicating that the password is unlocked?
[16:18] <rodrigo_> status icons are deprecated in gnome3, notifications are used instead
[16:19] <seb128> rodrigo_, well notifications are not great at telling you the status of something
[16:19] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: yeah, the problem is what to do with the indicator patch that more or less depends on it ;)
[16:19] <seb128> they are nice to tell you what changed
[16:19] <cyphermox> fwiw, I don't feel strongly about that particular indicator
[16:19] <rodrigo_> seb128, there's a bar at the bottom in the shell, with icons for the notifications
[16:20] <cyphermox> all it would allow you to do would be drop the privs; you can still wait for it to timeout, or lock screen which should eventually drop them
[16:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, it can be used for status notifications
[16:20] <seb128> well it also tell you that the authentification is granted
[16:20] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, which indicator patch?
[16:20] <pitti> good night everyone!
[16:20] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: the one for policykit-1-gnome
[16:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, right, so it's not totally deprecated
[16:20] <cyphermox> night pitti
[16:20] <seb128> pitti, have fun
[16:21] <rodrigo_> seb128, no, what is deprecated, or being deprecated, is GtkStatusIcon
[16:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, they still display those in the messaging area though?
[16:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, in the bottom bar of gnome-shell, which is hidden all the time until you hover the mouse to the bottom right corner
[16:22] <seb128> right
[16:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, the icons in the top bar are, afaik, gnome-shell extensions
[16:22] <rodrigo_> although there is the network manager icon, so I guess it has a systray also
[16:22] <seb128> well it's bit orthogonal to the question to know if we need a visual clue that authentification are granted and a way to revoke the active token
[16:23] <seb128> which was the question there
[16:23] <rodrigo_> yeah, sorry, joined the discussion in the middle :)
[16:23] <mpt> seb128, sorry, was in a meeting
[16:24] <seb128> mpt, no worry
[16:25] <mpt> seb128, yes, if the icon is gone, there's a bug reported about that that is now fixed
[16:25] <mpt> about the icon not being understandable
[16:25] <seb128> ok great
[16:25] <mpt> bug 550502
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 550502 in policykit-1-gnome ""Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550502
[16:26] <cyphermox> great
[16:26] <seb128> should we indicate in some other way that they is an active privilege token?
[16:26] <seb128> let me read the bug ;-)
[16:28] <seb128> well there is still an usecase it solved, but I guess if people have issues they will file a bug and we can handle it as a wishlist for better priviledge handling
[16:28] <mpt> seb128, right. One example might be a checkbox in the initial PolicyKit dialog.
[16:29] <mpt> (Though that still wouldn't let you clear it after the fact.)
[16:30] <seb128> let's do the obvious and easy fix for now and follow upstream on dropping the icon
[16:32] <cyphermox> ok.
[16:33] <cyphermox> as for dropping privs, it was in the upstream bug about this being dropped (or the commit), that eventually screensaver should call for polkit to drop privs, which may cover one such use case
[16:33] <mpt> yeah, I was just thinking about dropping them when you choose Lock Screen
[16:37] <cyphermox> we need to rework screensaver stuff this cycle no? this should probably be added to the blueprint
[17:53] <cyphermox> someone wants to review my merge for policykit-1-gnome? --> https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/policykit-1-gnome/merge-debian-0.101-2/+merge/60099
[23:49] <bdrung_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-units-policy/
[23:52] <TheMuso> bdrung_: Good idea.
[23:53] <bdrung_> TheMuso: i hope that enough desktop and gnome people attend.
[23:53] <TheMuso> Has it bee scheduled yet?
[23:54] <bdrung_> TheMuso: no. i just created it.
[23:54] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[23:54] <TheMuso> You'll have to wait till the powers that be get to it then.
[23:54]  * bdrung_ is a little bit late with creating blueprints.
[23:54] <TheMuso> Thats alright, you can probably squeeze it in there somewhere, and it is rather important, at least IMO.


[16:56] <codi> hi
[16:56] <codi> my drive not able to open
[16:56] <codi> what to do?
[16:59] <codi> please help someone linux guru here
[16:59] <codi> pd09041999[m], pavlushka lubotu2 Hobbes`
[17:27] <pavlushka> codi: yeah, lubotu2 can help you
[17:28] <pavlushka> codi: join #ubuntu and ask the same question
[17:28] <codi> whats this channel for?


[01:17] <white_magic> can someone help me figure out how to remove tearing? I'm running latest Lubuntu (so Ubuntu with the Lxqt DE) and I have compton installed. I have tried running it with various launch params, e.g. "compton --backend glx --vsync opengl-swc" but tearing persists in a firefox webpage that I'm using as a test. I have an Nvidia GPU with the latest proprietary drivers installed. Please advise.
[01:18] <tsimonq2> Did you install Lubuntu or LXQt on top of Ubuntu?
[01:18] <tsimonq2> There's a difference.
[01:18] <tsimonq2> (We aren't Ubuntu LXQt for a reason. :)
[01:19] <white_magic> tsimonq2: to be honest.. i cannot recall.. is there a away to check if i started with lubuntu or installed lxde on top of it?
[01:19] <white_magic> and installed lxqt on top of ubuntu is what i meant to say
[01:19] <tsimonq2> Ahh, hmm. I'm not sure then, sorry.
[01:25] <white_magic> rats
[01:25] <white_magic> is there an lxqt chan?
[01:25] <tsimonq2> #lxqt on OFTC
[01:25] <tsimonq2> But please be patient when you get there, it's not super active.
[01:27] <white_magic> yea i figured haha
[01:27] <white_magic> what is oftc?
[01:29] <tsimonq2> The IRC network.
[01:30] <white_magic> ahh i havent heard of that one.. wonder why they arent on freenode
[01:31] <tsimonq2> Because the Debian LXQt maintainer, a core LXQt developer, created the channel.
[12:13] <johnhmalu> where I can find the source code of lubuntu? I mean if I can git clone the repo
[12:16] <hateball> !source
 Hi! Cant install Lubuntu 18.10... everytime freezes here...
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/CQdnfvv.jpg
[23:46] <wxl> @JyotiGomes are you sure that you checked the integrity of the install media?
 I downloaded the iso file from Lubuntu.me
[23:46] <wxl> that's not what i asked
 The usb stick is working fine and i burned the iso using mkusb for linux
[23:48] <wxl> still not what i asked
[23:49] <wxl> you would need to (a) verify the checksum of the iso and (b) select "check disc for defects" at the boot screen. if both of those tests succeed, then you can be sure there are no download or copy errors. one bit of difference can result in very strange errors.
 Sorry, i do not know very much about the terminology. How may i check the integrity of the install media
 ?
[23:50] <wxl> !hashes
[23:50] <wxl> ^ that deals with (a)
 Ok. I will see. Thanks
[23:50] <wxl> (b) is one of the selections when you come to the initial boot screen where "start lubuntu" is an option
[23:51] <wxl> if you still have problems after confirming that, i would suggest getting xubuntu and see if you also have the same problem with it. if you do, then there is some sort of issue with the kernel and your computer.
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[10:05] <uniq> niceguy24_: run 'md5sum downloadedfile.iso' that will give you a output like '3ee9eb2611ea57767110b2d984c76357' if that is the same as the md5sum from the trusted location, it's all good :)
[10:05] <NiceGuy24_> uniq: thanks man.
[10:07] <smoosh> hi, someones use kaudiocreator
[10:07] <smoosh> ?
[10:07] <GameOVer69> hey question how come i can edit DRIconf from the konsole using xstart, but when i normally log into kde, and then use the terminal it wont let me?
[10:10] <Otherland> hi there... can anyone help me with some NIS problems ?
[10:10] <smoosh> i can't extract at max speed with kaudiocreator...
[10:11] <Otherland> I've setup an ubuntu server, running ubuntu 5.10..everything seems to work
[10:11] <robotgeek> Otherland: hmm, i wonder if there is #ubuntu-server
[10:12] <Otherland> brb..
[10:12] <samuel> I've got a "burning" question involving how Kubuntu manages to not overheat while another distro does.  Anyone up for duscussing ACPI?
[10:13] <robotgeek> samuel: might want to try mailing list, actually
[10:14] <samuel> Thanks, RobotGeek, but I've actually been RTFMing for at least 7 hours over this issue and would prefer to chat with another person ;-)
[10:15] <robotgeek> samuel: would have loved to, but no idea abou ACPI issues
[10:21] <smoosh> anyones can extract cd audio tracks at max speed in kubuntu?
[10:24] <troy> smoosh: what version of kubuntu?
[10:24] <smoosh> troy: breezy
[10:25] <Menno>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY fiets
[10:25] <troy> breezy and older have DMA mode turned off by default for optical drives which slows it the hell down
[10:25] <frank23> Menno: now we all know your password ;)
[10:26] <troy> smoosh: one second, there's an easy fix, but I'll see if I can find a website for it
[10:26] <smoosh> troy: the dma is on with hdparm...
[10:26] <Menno> well it not fiets!!
[10:26] <smoosh> troy: ok
[10:26] <troy> smoosh: are you using kaudiocreator or audiocd:/
[10:27] <smoosh> troy: kaudiocreator...
[10:27] <troy> does it seem to stall when ripping?
[10:27] <Menno> do i have contact anyway?
[10:27] <NiceGuy24_> uniq: I did that and they came different. does it mean I have to download it again to make sure it will work fine?
[10:27] <smoosh> troy: it rip at slow speed...
[10:28] <Menno> can someone see this message please?
[10:28] <troy> Menno: I can
[10:29] <Menno> thanks Troy so it working
[10:31] <troy> smoosh: if you type in the konsole "hdparm /dev/hd?" - does it say "using_dma = 1" for your cd drive?
[10:33] <smoosh> troy: yes dma=1
[10:33] <GameOVer69> !q
[10:33] <ubotu> GameOVer69: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:33] <ahmeni> Anyone have any idea why my aterm's TERM is being overridden with TERM=rxvtXcursor.theme: kubuntu?
[10:33] <troy> hrmm, since that is not the problem, I'll bet it's a setting in cdparanoia that can be changed...
[10:34] <GameOVer69> anyone here familiar with DRIconf?
[10:34] <troy> but I don't know how to do that :/
[10:34] <smoosh> troy: the strange thing is if i use cdda2wav, it rip at max speed...
[10:34] <ahmeni> my .Xdefaults is fine, can't even find a reference to Xcursor in any of my bash scripts..
[10:34] <smoosh> troy: ...and then also kaudiocreator go at max speed...
[10:35] <troy> smoosh: file a bug
[10:35] <smoosh> troy: do you have breezy?
[10:35] <troy> smoosh: I did until yesterday :/
[10:36] <troy> worked quick enough for me that I didn't think there was a problem
[10:36] <smoosh> troy: but your kaudiocreator rip at max speed?
[10:37] <Menno> something completely different: how can i change my password?
[10:37] <Menno> in Xchat i mean
[10:37] <troy> smoosh: you know, I'm not sure - it ripped fast enough to keep up with the encoding process so I never through anything was unusual
[10:38] <troy> s/through/thought
[10:39] <smoosh> troy: oh, ok...
[10:39] <troy> I could quickly try it on dapper here and see what it does
[10:39] <uniq> niceguy24_: that basically means the files are not identical. incomplete download or something.
[10:40] <troy> smoosh: the cd sounds like it's spinning a hell of a lot faster than it did in breezy
[10:41] <troy> like 20 seconds to rip the first track
[10:41] <Seantater> That's usually not a bad thing
[10:41] <Seantater> Are you using kaudiocreator
[10:41] <troy> yeah
[10:41] <smoosh> troy: maybe it's a breezy bug...
[10:41] <troy> smoosh: dapper also has new hdparm defaults which may help
[10:42] <smoosh> troy: can you tell me?
[10:42] <NiceGuy24_> uniq: does it happen frequently? I just downloaded the file, should I try to download it again? For example you, when you download files and check them, they come out all good?
[10:51] <Otherland> is there a way to change a users uid ?
[10:54] <uniq> otherland: 'usermod -u newuid username' - 'man usermod' for more info.
[10:55] <ubuntu> First of all, I admit that I did a very stupid thing with a beta product, now, having got that out of the way, the Kubuntu 6.06 live installer deleted my partition tables without finishing the installation.
[10:56] <uniq> niceguy24_: matches. as an example 95833fc045a9a17e7f25e22d31863306  kubuntu-6.06-beta-live-powerpc.iso
[10:56] <Otherland> uniq: thanks :-)
[10:56] <uniq> niceguy24_: matches the md5sum from http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06/MD5SUMS
[10:56] <ubuntu> Any recomendations for data recovery?
[10:57] <uniq> gnite.
[10:58] <ubuntu> If I use QT Parted and set up my partitions exactly how they were before, telling it not to reformat, will I be able to access my data again?
[10:59] <andre_> after a recent update all my fonts appear very small anyone have an idea why?
[10:59] <andre_> i'm using dapper.
[10:59] <uniq> ubuntu: if the partitions were re-formatted by the installer you're probably out of luck. if they were not formatted there is still hope.
[10:59] <ubuntu> uniq - I don't think they were reformatted, if they were, it was with the quick options since I the end of the installer was so fast and abrupt...
[10:59] <uniq> ubuntu: if only the partition table were changes that could work.
[11:00] <uniq> ubuntu: try, if the partition were re-formatted you're probably out of luck. Hope you have backups. :[
[11:01] <uniq> !wajig
[11:01] <ubuntu> uniq: (-8  Thanks.  I have some backups.
[11:01] <ubuntu> Feature Request: Partition setup in the graphical installer.  (-8
[11:01] <uniq> i have to goto bed, gnite all.
[11:02] <frank23> ubuntu there isn't any? I never tried the graphical installer. You're talking about expresso right?
[11:03] <troy> last I tried espresso (the beta livecd for kubuntu), it crashed on the parition handler - so I know it's there at least :P
[11:06] <m5m> how do I enable the konqueror sidebar?  I just installed a plugin for it, but I can't find the sidebar anwyhere :-P
[11:12] <paulvolk> Was anyone in here before when that guy was complaining about Ubuntu being "unusable"?
[11:13] <ubuntu> m5m: You mean the F9 sidebar?
[11:14] <ubuntu> m5m: You
[11:14] <frank23> Riddell: please check out https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/38530   It leaves a new install of kubuntu unusable because you can't setup networking.
[11:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38530 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings crashes when you try to configure a network interface on a fresh install" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[11:14] <ubuntu> m5m: You're probably talking about something different since the F9 sidebar comes as part of Konqueror.
[11:14] <Riddell> frank23: it's on my todo list
[11:14] <frank23> Riddell: ok. great ;)
[11:19] <m5m> nope ubuntu that was it!  the F9 sidebar :-P thanks a bunch.  I dl'ed a delicious bookmarking feature that fits into that sidebar... funny I couldn't find the sidebar in the menus
[11:23] <ahmeni> ffjjjfff
[11:24] <frank23> ahmeni: that's like the first thing you learn when you learn to type ;)
[11:24] <robotgeek> m5m: btw, bookmarkelets go into minitools in konq
[11:24] <ahmeni> heh, my screen session is acting up.. i still remember doing fff jjj on old Amigas
[11:25] <bixter> any1 know when mesa is going to be updated to 6.5.1?
[11:29] <mkulke> hello, i've been using breezy for quite a while. today i tried a dapper kubuntu livecd and it kind of broke my wlan pcmcia card :/
[11:29] <mkulke> on breezy i used the ndiswrapper driver w/o problems
[11:30] <mkulke> dapper obviously uses the mrv8k driver
[11:30] <mkulke> which writes a firmware to the card on every module load
[11:30] <grendel> is there a spanish user here? i need some help ;)
[11:30] <mkulke> dmesg says there is a firmware file missing
[11:31] <mkulke> i extracted the firmware file using the tools on the mrv8k driver website
[11:31] <mkulke> but there is null information on where to put those firmware files
[11:32] <robotgeek> mkulke: usually /usr/lib/firmware
[11:34] <grendel> (well, if someone can help me: i get "unknown host" when ping to any url [it only happens some times). dns are right. i friend of mine tell me that it's a kubuntu problem)
[11:35] <frank23> !es
[11:35] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:35] <grendel> thanks ;)
[11:36] <mkulke> robotgeek: i placed the mrv8k-b.fw here, but dmesg still says: "mrv8k: Firmware 'mrv8k-b.fw' not available or load failed."
[11:36] <mkulke> i had to create /usr/lib/firmware btw
[11:36] <robotgeek> mkulke: maybe u have to extract the firmware from that file, not sure
[11:37] <ryanakca> is there a utility for dealing with .sea files (mac self extractors)?
[11:37] <mkulke> no, according to several forum entries it's the correct file
[11:38] <robotgeek> mkulke: hmm, no idea, sorry
[11:40] <puckman> anyone still awake?
[11:40] <robotgeek> puckman: depends on your question :P
[11:41] <mkulke> robotgeek: it's /lib/firmware/
[11:42] <robotgeek> mkulke: ah, okay :)
[11:42] <mkulke> robotgeek: thanks it's working now
[11:42] <mkulke> at least i hope so
[11:42] <mkulke> i have to reboot into breezy
[11:42] <robotgeek> mkulke: could you please wikify the instructions for your card
[11:42] <robotgeek> mkulke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs
[11:42] <mkulke> i think i should trigger a bugreport aswell
[11:43] <mkulke> because trying a livecd shouldn't kill your wlan card
[11:49] <mkulke> damn
[11:49] <mkulke> that did not help
[11:49] <mkulke> seems my wlan card is gone for good :P
[11:49] <mkulke> at least with ndiswrapper
[11:54] <Zaire> I have a question for installing the manufacturer driver for and Nvidia fx5200 whats the apt-get command for aquiring the kernel sources, gcc and make files?
[11:54] <robotgeek> Zaire, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:54] <robotgeek> !nvidia
[11:54] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[11:55] <Zaire> so that command will show me the stuff I need?
[11:55] <robotgeek> Zaire: i'm not familiar with the nvidia stuff, you might want to read that link
[11:56] <Zaire> k the reason Im asking is I thought it would be imperitive to before I format and install kubuntu
[11:56] <Zaire> lol
[11:56] <robotgeek> Zaire: heh
[11:57] <satempler> Zaire: well you will get 2D graphics
[11:57] <satempler> on default
[11:57] <satempler> that link tells you how to get 3D graphics working
[11:58] <Zaire> any working graphics without a crash would be nice lol
[11:58] <satempler> Zaire: ya it should work have you tried the live cd
[11:58] <Zaire> Ive found Nvidia to be an unstable card to run with certain distros of linux
[11:58] <Zaire> nope
[11:58] <satempler> the live cd will tell you if it can be done without formating
[11:59] <satempler> Zaire: i have found quite the oppisite but that was back in the Geforce 4 days
[11:59] <Zaire> the 2 copies I have are breezy badger i386 and the AMD64 versions
[12:00] <satempler> Zaire: can you download the Live CD
[12:00] <Zaire> possibly how big is it?
[12:00] <satempler> in other words do you have broadband
[12:00] <slow-motion> n8
[12:00] <satempler> its 650MB or so
[12:00] <Zaire> yes lol I like to call it dialup on speed
[12:01] <satempler> ha
[12:01] <Zaire> 256k d/l speed 128k up lol
[12:01] <satempler> wow
[12:01] <satempler> I have 9Mbps down and 1Mbps up


[04:12] <codepython777> anyone running cassandra here?
[04:33] <azbyin> hi all.. i've got an issue where my apt-cache is not being updated
[04:33] <azbyin> i.e. i see some packages that are newer than the ones it tries to download and fails
[04:48] <azbyin> ok, now that i have found out that maverick is essentially dead. How would I possibly perform an upgrade to precise?
[04:49] <bradm> azbyin: you'd have to upgrade to oneiric, then to precise
[04:50] <azbyin> bradm, ok. how do I perform this upgrade: maverick -> oneiric -> precise
[04:51] <bradm> azbyin: just a normal upgrade - using do-release-upgrade, or whatever you use normally
[04:51] <azbyin> if I log into the syste remotely, it says: New release 'natty' available.
[04:51] <azbyin> Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it.
[04:51] <azbyin> so i'm not sure if i want to run do-release-upgrade
[04:52] <bradm> oh, yeah, you'll have to hit natty -> oneiric -> precise
[04:52] <azbyin> omg!
[04:52] <bradm> you can only upgrade from one release to the next, you can't jump any
[04:52] <azbyin> and i need to do this remotely..
[04:52] <azbyin> you reckon it will go smoothly?
[04:52] <bradm> if you stay with LTS, ie you were on lucid, you could have gone to precise directly
[04:53] <bradm> usually the upgrades are pretty good, but its not impossible for things to go wrong, depending on hardware etc
[04:54] <azbyin> hardware should be bog standard. i don;t care about X at the moment. that can be fixed later. as long as it will leave the sshd running after the upgrade and reboot, i'll be set
[04:54] <azbyin> and ofcourse the net config
[04:56] <bradm> I've done lts upgrades in the past remotely, but never without some sort of fallback if things go horribly wrong
[04:56] <azbyin> yeah, the fallback is a linux user sitting on the machine, heh
[04:57] <azbyin> so i'll have to guide him like talking to a baby!
[04:57] <bradm> its all about risk management - how bad is it if something goes wrong - there's never a 100% guarantee with these upgrades, since its impossible to know all the variables on the machine
[04:58] <bradm> but you'd be best off most likely getting it to natty, then rebooting and making sure everything works, and then again with oneiric, then to precise
[04:58] <bradm> its hard to say how a precise userspace would react with a maverick kernel
[04:59] <azbyin> eh? precise userspace with maverick kernel?
[04:59] <azbyin> i'm going to upgrade everything
[04:59] <bradm> right, but I'm saying I'd reboot at the end of each upgrade
[04:59] <azbyin> oh, you mean the do-release-upgrade will not update the kernel?
[04:59] <bradm> it'l upgrade it on disk, you need to reboot for it to be running
[04:59] <azbyin> as long as it sets up a new kernel and newer udev, etc. it should be fine with a reboot
[04:59] <azbyin> ofcourse
[05:00] <bradm> iirc it doesn't force a reboot
[05:00] <azbyin> yeah, i'll perform a reboot. i'll killall daemons except for sshd and then perform the upgrade
[05:01] <azbyin> but i'll have to complete backups which need to be done by the guy at the other end
[05:01] <bradm> definately
[05:01] <bradm> assuming that things might go bad is the best way to be ready for it
[05:04] <azbyin> so i'm assuming only the lts releases and current supported releases are kept on archive.ubuntu.com ?
[05:05] <bradm> right
[05:05] <azbyin> i ask because for some reason au.archive.ubuntu.com (our local mirror, running on mirror.aarnet.edu.au) still has *almost* all the packages
[05:05] <bradm> you can get the older releases at old-release.ubuntu.com
[05:05] <bradm> ah, old-releases.ubuntu.com, I mean.
[05:06] <azbyin> so wait, if i want a few packages installed, i can point my sources list at this server right?
[05:06] <azbyin> the only thing to change will be the server name itself in the urls
[05:07] <bradm> sure, perhaps change the file path in the urls
[05:07] <bradm> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades has some details, bit old
[05:07] <codepython777> does anyone know if this is safe/good to add: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ferramroberto/java ?
[05:08] <solitude88> anyone on ie?
[05:12] <azbyin> bradm, is there an equivalent for extras.ubuntu.com as well?  i.e. archive.ubuntu.com -> old-releases.ubuntu.com    extras.ubuntu.com -> old-extras.ubuntu.com  or something similar?
[05:13] <bradm> azbyin: nothing official, I think
[05:13] <azbyin> umm.. ok
[05:13] <azbyin> thanks for mentioning old-releases.u.c
[05:14] <azbyin> i didn;t know about it. i'm going to install a few packages from there and hopefully the users aren't going to pester me for an "upgrade asap"
[05:14] <azbyin> rather have it wait till I actually get physically to the machine
[05:15] <bradm> azbyin: good idea, its always nice to be able to plan these things rather than rush into it
[05:15] <bradm> azbyin: and of course, once you've done all the planning etal, it'll all go flawlessly on the day. :)
[05:15] <azbyin> yeah, i really want be physically present for the upgrade (or rather clean setup process)
[05:15] <azbyin> given that maverick is "ancient"
[05:15] <bradm> it really is
[05:15] <bradm> sticking with LTS is a good idea for servers
[05:16] <bradm> otherwise you're upgrading every 6 months, or pushing multiple upgrades though.
[05:17] <blkperl> or your still running jaunty in production and hating the guy before you for ever using it
[05:17] <azbyin> lol blkperl
[05:17] <blkperl> :)
[05:38] <azbyin> bradm, would you happen to know if kubuntu has a similar old-  server with their packages?
[05:41] <bradm> azbyin: can't say I do, sorry.  I don't use kubuntu myself
[05:41] <azbyin> no worries.. thanks for the help
[06:41] <blackjack> hy I use ubuntuserver as tporxy, I use 2 nic, nic nic leads to a second proxy, this is a picture, but I'm still confused http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=3doJcpmFIQ
[06:42] <blackjack> i use mikrotik to , any body can help my ?
[09:04] <joshuafcole> Hey there. I've got a bit of a quandary. I was running a mass of updates on my server when I stopped home this weekend. It turns out, at least one of them required user-interaction. I don't have retty installed, and my old VNC program Guacamole is failing to actually VNC anymore. Any way to steal the process so I can finish the update, or failing that, safely halt it to resume in a new TTY?
[09:08] <blkperl> joshuafcole: apt is pretty smart about failing to update, you should be able to kill the process and resume
[09:10] <joshuafcole> blkperl: I suppose I'll go that route. I was hoping there was some wizardry I had missed along the way to avoid even a slight risk.
[09:11] <joshuafcole> blkperl: Everything seems to have worked beautifully though. Thank goodness for super cow powers.
[11:39] <Sendoushi> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12956435/screen.png which layout should i use for altgr? i can't get [ ] nor { }
[12:23] <zul> Daviey: hey can you check pecan?
[12:32] <Daviey> zul: my pecan is fine, how is yours?
[12:32] <zul> Daviey:  a little stale (python-pecan is the one im talking about ;)
[12:32] <cfhowlett> !info pecan
[12:33] <Daviey> zul: ah. :)
[12:35] <jamespage> hallyn: updates to qemu-kvm look good re ISO image size - i386/amd64 now back undersize
[13:14] <yolanda> jamespage, zul, i'm trying to check ceilometer api. It shows an access denied when i pass the keystone credentials. But for example "keystone catalog" with same credentials, works
[13:14] <yolanda> any idea about what the problem can be?
[13:21] <Daviey> zul: please push your changelog changes back to debian.. ktnx
[13:34] <eagles0513875_> hey all
[13:34] <eagles0513875_> how is everyone
[13:35] <cfhowlett> eagles0513875_, greetings
[13:35] <eagles0513875_> hows it going cfhowlett
[13:35] <cfhowlett> no complaints.  what's your ubuntu query?
[13:36] <X-Scorpion> Hello
[13:36] <cfhowlett> X-Scorpion, greetings.  post your query.  pretty sure someone here has an answer
[13:36] <X-Scorpion> I am having a problem when i join to windows domain saying "The server domain and kerberos realm must match the domain you are trying"
[13:37] <caribou> jamespage: ping
[13:38] <X-Scorpion> can anyone tell me how to join AD domain
[13:39] <caribou> well, I suppose that someone else can answer : I've just SRUed bug #967410
[13:39] <caribou> do you prefer a debdiff or a merge proposal for the fix ?
[13:40] <eagles0513875_> any postfix experts in here as I am up a creek with this my email setup as I recieve emails incoming on my business domain with postfix but cannot send out emails from outlook
[13:40] <eagles0513875_> anyone have any ideas. and if so i am more then willing to pastbin my postfix conf
[13:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: #postfix
[13:44] <eagles0513875_> ok
[13:52] <jamespage> caribou: pong
[13:52] <caribou> jamespage: howdy
[13:52] <jamespage> yolanda: that would indicate that your client->keystone auth is OK - but you ceilometer configuration for keystone auth is not
[13:53] <caribou> jamespage: I've just SRUed bug #967410
[13:53] <caribou> jamespage: do you still maintain the samba suite (saw your Id in the changelog) ?
[13:53] <yolanda> jamespage, now i have it working, the ceilometer.conf file wasn't right
[13:53] <yolanda> now i have a working api, but that reports nothing
[13:53] <yolanda> step by step :)
[13:54] <jamespage> caribou: well I'm in the team that maintains it - and I've done the last few merges from Debian
[13:54] <caribou> jamespage: just wanted to know if you preferred a debdiff or a merge proposal for the SRU
[13:55] <smoser> kirkland, utlemming, just making a guess on the issue you saw on friday. a.) "out of inodes" could have caused that (i think). b.) the only other thing i can guess is block device write errors (ie thorugh the hypervisor on a dying node).  however, i would have expected dmesg comments to that effect.
[13:55] <jamespage> caribou: ah - so you would like a sponsor ;-)
[13:56] <jamespage> merge proposal please
[13:56] <caribou> jamespage: well, I suppose that the SRU will  come your way, right ? (you or the team)
[13:56] <jamespage> caribou: well it would probably end up in the sponsorship queue
[13:57] <jamespage> caribou: (but a ping to me is acceptable :-))
[13:58] <caribou> jamespage: well, I prefer to ask the receiving end what they prefer to receive :-)
[13:58] <jamespage> caribou: ta
[13:58] <jamespage> caribou: mp is good for me
[13:58] <jamespage> but I can deal with either....
[13:59] <caribou> jamespage: ok, I'll work on the MP. I already got the fix tested & packaged but I haven't done MP in a while.
[13:59] <caribou> jamespage: it'll refresh my memory
[13:59] <jamespage> caribou: ack
[13:59] <hallyn> jamespage: cool
[14:00] <caribou> jamespage: the fix is already in quantal & raring, so I suppose that I'll to the MP against the precise-propose branch
[14:00] <mercsniper> is the server based oemconfig working in 12.04.1?
[14:00] <jamespage> caribou: precise-updates
[14:00] <caribou> jamespage: ah, ok
[14:03] <zul> yolanda: pecan made it into the archive
[14:11] <zul> jamespage: so the plan for eventlet is run the tempest locally before i install it locally and after
[14:12] <jamespage> zul: coolio - I'd be tempted to throw it in the lab archive as well and test rebuild everything and run a deployment
[14:12] <zul> jamespage: that works as well
[14:13] <hazmat> jodh, does the upstart socket bridge support things like buffering connections if the underlying service providing the socket is restarted/upgraded?
[14:15] <yolanda> zul, great!
[14:15] <yolanda> any plans for wsme?
[14:15] <zul> yolanda: will look at it again today
[14:16] <yolanda> ok
[14:29] <Guest87983> Hi! I am trying to install ubuntu 12.04.1 on IBM System X3100 M4 Server and would like to configure RAID1 with 2 x 500 gb sata hdd
[14:30] <ikonia> Guest87983: they have a hardware raid controller in as I recall
[14:32] <Guest87983> they have a fake raid in it but when I configure it and boot into ubuntu server installation it does not show up.
[14:33] <Guest87983> does this have to do something with EFI?
[14:36] <Guest87983> any help in this regards would be very much appreciated, i had already spent about 3 days without much progress.
[14:37] <Guest87983> ikonia: any clue?
[14:37] <ikonia> Guest87983: proably just doesn't have linux support for that card built in
[14:38] <Guest87983> ok, but what about with software raid?
[14:38] <ikonia> what about it ?
[14:38] <Guest87983>  I am not able to set the physical raid  to bootable
[14:38] <ikonia> ?
[14:38] <ikonia> what has that got to do with software raid
[14:39] <Guest87983> this is what I was trying to do. in the pratition setup I created a 500 mb for /boot and the rest for /
[14:40] <Guest87983> I set it as physical partion for Raid
[14:40] <caribou> jamespage: should I subscribe ubuntu-sponsor as well as sru-team for the Samba SRU ?
[14:40] <ikonia> physical partition for raid ?
[14:40] <ikonia> Guest87983: I'm sorry I'm not understanding what you are saying
[14:41] <Guest87983> When I set the partition type to Raid and try to set it to bootable, the flag would not change
[14:43] <Guest87983> ikonia: I guess I confused you using the wrong terminology, but what I meant was I am not able to set the raid partition to bootable
[14:43] <Guest87983> so when the installation is done, i am not able to boot into the server
[14:43] <ikonia> Guest87983: probably because it's fake raid
[14:44] <ikonia> the fake raid needs the OS in place to assemble the disk
[14:45] <Guest87983> ikonia: I did not enable the RAID option in the bios and am trying to install using the software raid option available in the ubuntu server installation
[14:45] <ikonia> Guest87983: right so what's the problem ?
[14:46] <Guest87983> When I try to set the partition to bootable the flag does not change to bootable and hence I am not able to boot after the installation is complete.
[14:51] <nibbler_> Guest87983: just go to a console and use fdisk to set the flat
[14:51] <nibbler_> flag
[14:52] <Guest87983> nibbler_: When I restart the server after the installation, the server would not just boot into the OS, I would is acting as if nothing was installed.
[14:53] <Guest87983> basically it is not able to find the boot partition or the mbr
[14:54] <nibbler_> Guest87983: you made that perfectly clear. i failed doing so it seems. while in installation, or after booting some rescue system, flag the partitions of the disks (not the raid) as bootable
[14:57] <yolanda> hi, i'm having this problem with keystone: keystone Authorization Failed: No connection adapters were found
[14:57] <yolanda> any idea about that?
[15:00] <Guest87983> nibbler_: I shall try that and get back if I have any problems
[15:24] <koolhead17> hi zul
[15:24] <zul> koolhead17: hi
[15:25] <koolhead17> zul: how have you been sir?
[15:25] <zul> koolhead17: good you?
[15:26] <jamespage> hazmat: do you have time to help me debug that zookeeper test failure I mentioned last week?
[15:27] <koolhead17> zul: am good. kind of trying to dig bit inside the filter scheduler and docs corresponding to it
[15:27] <zul> koolhead17: ok
[15:27] <koolhead17> zul: wassup with you? too much of packaging :)
[15:27]  * koolhead17 bows to jamespage
[15:28] <zul> koolhead17: too much of everything
[15:28] <koolhead17> zul: ** BEER **
[15:28] <jamespage> koolhead17: hey!
[15:29] <koolhead17> jamespage: i been lucky to understand bit about quantum finally :)
[15:29] <jamespage> koolhead17: **\o/**
[15:30] <jamespage> koolhead17: do you remember I was saying you could run maas virtually?
[15:30] <koolhead17> jamespage: yes. i have maas/juju for next month in my plate
[15:30] <koolhead17> jamespage: but i doubt you can run VLAN mode with it?
[15:31] <koolhead17> tunnel will work fine
[15:32] <jamespage> koolhead17: actually that might be possible
[15:33] <koolhead17> jamespage: with some external SDN
[15:33] <koolhead17> plugin?
[15:33] <jamespage> koolhead17: I've been using openvswitch on the virtual host hosting maas (if that makes any sense)
[15:33] <jamespage> and that can support VLAN etc.etc.
[15:33] <jamespage> so its possible
[15:34] <jamespage> koolhead17: https://code.launchpad.net/~virtual-maasers/charms/precise/virtual-maas/trunk
[15:35] <koolhead17> jamespage: nice. now that means installing quantum is much much easier :D
[15:37] <koolhead17> jamespage: once Grizzly comes in how many days it will take us to update our Juju Repo? Would love to blog with all install steps once Grizzlly relases
[15:41] <jamespage> koolhead17: charms are already being updated
[15:43] <koolhead17> awesome!!
[15:53] <hallyn> sarnold: jdstrand: thanks for the vde2 input.
[15:54] <jdstrand> np (for my part). sarnold did all the heavy lifting
[16:30] <Hexi> anyone know if this openssl vulnerability has or will be addressed for 12.04 LTS?  http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20130205.txt
[16:30] <jdstrand> Hexi: yes, it is actively being worked on
[16:31] <Hexi> jdstrand: great thanks!
[16:31] <jdstrand> eg: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2013/CVE-2013-0169.html
[17:14] <vila_> utlemming: ping, hallyn told me to tell you my story,
[17:14] <utlemming> vila_: uh oh....
[17:15] <vila_> I'm setting up a kvm from a cloud-image and it hangs at [     0.0000] Console [tty1] enabled until I 'virsh console <guest>' and hit return on my physical kbd
[17:15] <vila_> once booted if I remove ttyS0 from "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty1 console=ttyS0" it don't hang anymore at boot
[17:15] <utlemming> vila_: where did you fetch the image from?
[17:16] <vila_> utlemming: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/{vm.release}/current/
[17:16] <vila_> for raring
[17:16] <vila_> {vm.release}-server-cloudimg-{vm.cpu_model}-disk1.img
[17:16] <vila_> for raring and amd64
[17:17] <utlemming> vila_: can you write up a bug report for that?
[17:17] <vila_> utlemming: sure
[17:17] <vila_> utlemming: against which project ?
[17:18] <vila_> utlemming: err, wait, I think there is one already, let me check
[17:19] <vila_> utlemming: ha no, I also hit bug #1103881 but that's different
[17:20] <Techdude1011> blackberry + wpad - is it possible?
[17:20] <vila_> utlemming: so, which project ? qemu ?
[17:21] <utlemming> vila_: ubuntu for now
[17:21] <utlemming> vila_: we need to dig on where the bug is
[17:33] <vila_> utlemming: bug #1122245
[17:34] <vila_> utlemming: let me know if you need more info or help (this is part of a test setup I'm working so I have some automated tests that reproduce it (and are a pain so far as I couldn't find a way to automate that "return from the physical keyboard" part so far ;)
[17:42] <smoser> zul, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1122146
[17:42] <zul> smoser: fixed in bzr ill probably upload something today
[17:44] <smoser> vila_, it would seem this is likely regressed from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1122146
[17:44] <smoser> zul, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1122146
[17:44] <vila_> smoser: wrong bug # ?
[17:45] <vila_> smoser: or just wrong people ? ;-D
[17:45] <smoser> vila_, well, yrou bug is fallout of that change. i would suspect.
[17:45] <Nahita> Hey guys
[17:46] <vila_> smoser: keystone involved in a bare cloud image ??
[17:46] <smoser> vila_, unrelated.
[17:46] <smoser> sorry.
[17:46] <vila_> smoser: pfew
[17:46] <Nahita> I was gone set up a IDS with pfsense and snort. Any recomendation on how much ram I would need on this machine? gone push 30MB/s
[17:47] <smoser> ugh. villa, sorry... i meant to paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1016695 to you.
[17:47] <smoser> vila_,
[17:47] <smoser> and python-keystone to ul
[17:47] <smoser> ziul
[17:47] <smoser> wow
[17:47] <smoser> i cannot type
[17:47] <vila_> smoser: ha, better, indeed, I saw that one a couple of days ago but wasn't sure how they relate, thanks, will mention it in my bug
[17:48] <vila_> smoser: wow, you beat me to it ;)
[17:48] <smoser> where does virt-install come from ?
[17:50] <smoser> ah. virtinst. i'd never seen that. i like the cmdline syntax.
[17:57] <vila_> smoser: sry, was afk, yeah virtinst
[17:58] <chrish1> good morning
[17:58] <chrish1> i have a virtual server with two defined nics
[17:59] <chrish1> nic1 is used for management network and for PXE booting
[17:59] <chrish1> nic2 is supposed to connect to the internet to provide packages from repos
[18:00] <chrish1> i need both interfaces configured during install, nic1 static, nic2 dhcp
[18:00] <chrish1> how can I make preseed configure both interfaces?
[18:03] <genii-around> chrish1: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1713845.html looks promising
[18:04] <chrish1> genii-around: I am going to try this, thanks!
[18:08] <chrish1> that doesnt really solve my problem though, as far as I understand it this is about which interface gets selected during preseed, not about configuring more than one interface
[18:21] <paco1> hello all!
[18:21] <paco1> i have a question: how to convert "cpu user time" to "real time"? thanks in advance!
[18:22] <smoser> paco1, not really possible
[18:23] <smoser> where do you see "cpu user time" ?
[18:23] <paco1> for example
[18:23] <paco1> i use sa command
[18:23] <sarnold> probably as opposed to cpu system time..
[18:24] <sarnold> or nice time
[18:24] <paco1> sa -u | grep paco | egrep "soffice.bin" > paco       3.02 cpu    49728k mem      0 io soffice.bin
[18:25] <ztane> paco1: what do you mean by cpu user time, cpu user time is in cpuseconds
[18:26] <ztane> *i mean what do you mean by converting?
[18:26] <ztane> :D
[18:26] <ztane> cpu user time is exactly that, the real amount of time that one cpu has worked for the process during its lifetime
[18:27] <paco1> that's seems to be a strange time
[18:30] <ztane> you just do not make sense, how do you convert seconds to seconds
[18:31] <sarnold> paco1: what about those times don't make sense?
[18:31] <zul> smoser/adam_g: im going to upload a new python-keystoneclient in the next couple of minutes to fix the requests stuff
[18:31] <shauno> probably best if you ask what you're actually trying to achieve.  cpu time is a red herring.  eg, "ps -eo pid,cmd,etime" will give you elapsed time (etime)
[18:31] <sarnold> paco1: did you expect openoffice to consume far more cpu? or far less?
[18:32] <paco1> no, i would like to know the time i use my programs
[18:33] <paco1> and what hour i open them and what hour i close them
[18:33] <sarnold> aha! :)
[18:33] <paco1> ;)
[18:34] <paco1> if you have a solution....
[18:34] <jacobw> hamster
[18:35] <paco1> its for that i searched with sa, acct and ac command
[18:35] <jacobw> http://projecthamster.wordpress.com/
[18:36] <sarnold> paco1: ps -e -o pid,start_time
[18:37] <sarnold> paco1: that of course only shows you the start time of currently executing programs
[18:37] <shauno> if you're doing process accounting, the trick missing from your list is 'lastcomm'.  which will show you the last time a process was invoked, and how long it lasted
[18:37] <sarnold> paco1: if you ran a similar command every few minutes, you could build a datastructure that knows when programs were running
[18:38] <sarnold> shauno: awesome. :)
[18:39] <shauno> ah, that uses cpu time too :/  I can only find etime for a running process.  awkward.
[18:41] <sarnold> aww.
[18:41] <paco1> etime?
[18:41] <ztane> paco1: if you are talking about desktop usage, there is a program already in ubuntu...
[18:41] <ztane> can track your active window too
[18:41] <ztane> cant remember
[18:41] <ztane> which one though
[18:41] <RoyK> shauno: if it's about execution time, ps or top will help out
[18:41] <shauno> lastcomm --debug has it, the 5th value is elapsed in hundredths of a second.  but that seems more accidental than intuitive
[18:41] <shauno> ps has it while the process is running, not afterwards
[18:42] <RoyK> well, yeah
[18:42] <shauno> if he wants a start time & a finish time, it has to be post-mortem
[18:42] <RoyK> use "time somecmd"
[18:42] <sarnold> RoyK: he wants the system to collect the times of day that programs are run
[18:43] <RoyK> oh
[18:43] <RoyK> is there something like process accounting in ubuntu (or on linux?)
[18:43] <paco1> sarnold: exactly
[18:44] <sarnold> RoyK: there is, but it only knows about processes _after_ they die, and doesn't record the start time and stop time, iirc
[18:44] <paco1> ztane: if you remember the name.... ;)
[18:46] <shauno> I think you're going the right direction with acct, it's just not a very intuitive tool
[18:47] <sarnold> the downside to acct is that it only knows about processes once they have died :)
[18:47] <paco1> shauno: "it's just not a very intuitive tool"....yes, i see it...  :/
[18:47] <sarnold> you just can't win. hehe.
[18:47] <RoyK> I guess process accounting and perhaps using ulimit for some users may be good?
[18:48]  * RoyK tried to use ipf for firewalling on openindiana and found iptables *very* nice and intuitive in comparison
[18:49] <sarnold> RoyK: hehe, after my initial ipfwadm experience, I really _learned_ firewalling on ipf and pf. I never got the hang of iptables afterwards :(
[18:50] <shauno> lastcomm shows it in the debug record, so the info is there /somewhere/ .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1637201/
[18:50] <RoyK> sarnold: hehe
[18:51] <sarnold> shauno: nice :D
[18:53] <shauno> 1000/1000 look like uid/guid, no idea what 3284 is, 17812 & 16334 look like the pid and the parent.  it's all there, just very terse
[18:56] <RoyK> shauno: what's happening? a lost process eating cpu?
[18:57] <shauno> paco1's query, I'm just looking to see if gnu acct has the answers he seeks
[18:58] <paco1> shauno: thanks
[18:58] <RoyK> paco1: what's happening? a lost process eating cpu?
[18:59] <RoyK> paco1: sometimes a server is rooted and a rootkit is installed - it's not fun, but it happens...
[18:59] <sarnold> RoyK: < paco1> no, i would like to know the time i use my programs < paco1> and what hour i open them and what hour i close them
[18:59] <paco1> RoyK: no no, all is good. it's just for me
[19:00] <RoyK> ok
[19:00] <paco1> sarnold: yeah
[19:03] <paco1> RoyK: i'm looking for ac, sa and like shauno said lastcomm
[19:04] <zul> smoser: looks like we need a newer boto http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1637239/
[19:09] <zul> yolanda: ping where is wsme again?
[19:09] <zul> yolanda: doh never mind
[19:15] <paco1> lastcomm read the /var/log/account/pacct file?
[19:17] <param__> Unable to connect internet by wifi in ubuntu server ?
[19:22] <smoser> zul, what is test_api.py ?
[19:22] <zul> smoser:  tests the ec2 api
[19:22] <param__> Unable to connect internet by wifi in ubuntu server ?
[19:23] <paco1> i did a test with soffice > 2.44 secs??
[19:23] <paco1> with lastcomm command
[19:24] <paco1> 2.44 secs > how to read that?
[19:26] <smoser> zul, i dont think we need a new boto
[19:26] <smoser> i think that commit just sucked
[19:26] <zul> smoser:  could be
[19:28] <smoser> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19987/
[19:28] <smoser> thats what did it
[19:28] <smoser> specifically https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19987/6/nova/tests/test_api.py
[19:28] <smoser> and it seems simply broken
[19:31] <paco1> how can i interpret that result: 2.44 secs?
[19:32] <sarnold> paco1: that's probably the CPU time taken
[19:34] <sweettea> anyone familiar with this kvm error kvm: 1824: cpu0 unhandled rdmsr: 0xc0010001
[19:35] <sweettea> the guests seem to be running fine
[19:35] <yolanda> zul, do you still need me? sorry i disconnected for a while
[19:35] <sweettea> but its still uneasy
[19:35] <zul> yolanda: nope
[19:35] <paco1> sarnold: ok
[19:39] <sweettea> also, anyone use(d) sys_basher to test computer stability ?
[19:45] <tasslehoff> I followed a howto and got Time Machine backups to my Ubuntu 12.04.1 server working (avahi + netatalk). Now "something" has happened so my mac can no longer see any afp-shares. I have no idea how to figure out where the problem lies. Anyone here that do?
[19:48] <sarnold> tasslehoff: nothing beyond wondering if there are any informative error messages in logs on client or server :)
[19:52] <tasslehoff> sarnold: nay, all seems normal. but, I managed to connect from osx to afp://<server-ip>, so I suspect the issue is on the mac-side.
[19:53] <sarnold> I'm actually a little stunned that apple still supports the afp-style networking.
[19:54] <tasslehoff> sarnold: I don't know much about it, but since Time Machine is so ... accesible I decided to try setting it up.
[19:55] <tasslehoff> But, it won't take much trouble to make me use Crashplan or something else instead..
[19:56] <sarnold> tasslehoff: well, they do different things :) crashplan for the fire, time machine for the dead hard drive.. hehe
[19:56] <smoser> zul, can you easily test http://paste.ubuntu.com/1637380/
[19:56] <smoser> i suspect that will fix it.
[19:57] <zul> smoer: sure
[20:05] <tasslehoff> sarnold: yup, except I only use crashplan locally, since transatlantic transfer speeds are abysmal
[20:10] <zapotah> hi. is there a repo or such from which one could install the os from like in ie centos (http://mirror.academica.fi/CentOS/6.3/os/x86_64/)
[20:10] <zapotah> tried scouring the repo but didnt find it there, tried finding references from docs too
[20:14] <tonyyarusso> zapotah: you mean you're just trying to do a netinstall?
[20:15] <zapotah> got firmware that can boot http
[20:15] <zapotah> and i dont want to setup a local http boot server at this time
[20:16] <zapotah> with centos its as easy as booting that dir from the firmware
[20:18] <zapotah> just wondering if ubuntu repos or such have the same kind of thing somewhere
[20:20] <jcastro> utlemming: if you've got time, let's talk juju on the vagrant images
[20:22] <jcastro> zapotah: you're looking for the netboot directory? http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[20:22] <jcastro> substitute release or arch of course
[20:27] <zul> smoser: nope it doesnt
[20:29] <smoser> zul, it surely can't fail the same way.
[20:41] <zapotah> jcastro: that dir only contains the stuff to create your own boot server
[20:41] <sarnold> zapotah: are you looking for the mini net-install disc?
[20:42] <zapotah> no a http bootable repo dir or such, which im beginning to think does not exist for ubuntu
[20:42] <zapotah> centos has such a dir on their repo mirrors
[20:42] <zapotah> ie: http://mirror.academica.fi/CentOS/6.3/os/x86_64/
[20:42] <zapotah> you can boot an install straight from that
[20:42] <sarnold> zapotah: oh, they run a tftp node for you or something?
[20:43] <patdk-lap> easy, ipxe and netboot
[20:43] <patdk-lap> ipxe can easily boot from http
[20:43] <zapotah> what patdk-lap said
[20:43] <patdk-lap> still requires tftp or usb or something to load ipxe
[20:43] <zapotah> ipxe is in the rom
[20:44] <sarnold> patdk-lap++ :D
[20:44] <patdk-lap> zapotah, not fun to do, but maybe doable :)
[20:44] <zapotah> i think ill just jumpstart a httpd on the workstation next to me and extract the netinstall iso there....
[20:46] <zapotah> kinda weird ubuntu doesnt have http boot on their repos, or im looking in the wrong place...
[20:46] <jcastro> I am pretty sure I have done this before
[20:46] <jcastro> I think we're in the wrong place
[20:47] <zapotah> well im trying to find a ubuntu-server repo install dir so... :)
[20:48] <zapotah> i know very well how to make my own http boot server (theres not much to do there though...) but wondering if there was an option
[21:03] <zapotah> apparently such a convenient way to install does not exist for ubuntu... shame
[21:11] <tyhicks> hallyn: Hey - Are there any known libvirt issues when upgrading from quantal to raring?
[21:12] <tyhicks> hallyn: libvirt forgot about most (but not all) of my domains. The XML and images were still around so I was able to virsh define them again.
[21:14] <tyhicks> hallyn: Additionally, I'm seeing some brokenness around the dnsmasq instances spawned by libvirt
[21:14] <tyhicks> hallyn: I'm still debugging that, so I can't yet explain the problems very well
[21:18] <hallyn> tyhicks: that should not have happened
[21:18] <hallyn> tyhicks: is this fully uptodate raring?
[21:18] <tyhicks> hallyn: yes, used update-manager to do the upgrade from quantal to raring last night
[21:18] <hallyn> there was a network-manager bug which caused virbr0 to not get an ip address, but that's different
[21:19] <hallyn> tyhicks: please file bugs, afaik those are not known
[21:19] <hallyn> zul: ^ ring a bell?
[21:19] <esuave> anyone know how i can get crontab -e to execute a commit to svn on :wq?
[21:19] <tyhicks> hallyn: ok
[21:19] <zul> hallyn: nope
[21:20] <sweettea> here is a dumb question, how can i use apt-get to search for packages for me
[21:20] <sweettea> on rhel
[21:20] <sweettea> its yum list http*
[21:22] <RoyK> apt-cache search ...
[21:22] <hallyn> zul: also bug 1121917 sounds like a fun libvirt-lxc one
[21:23] <sweettea> wow how did I miss that on the man page
[21:23] <sweettea> ty
[21:23] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ did you mean to still have that assigned to you as it pertains to ifenslave?  or did you want to punt that altogether?
[21:23] <zul> hallyn:  then dont do that :)
[21:24] <sweettea> RoyK: is it me, or is that not on the man page
[21:24] <RoyK> sweettea: I don't think the apt-get manpage lists apt-cache other than under "SEE ALSO"
[21:25] <RoyK> no, it doesn't
[21:25] <sweettea> Invalid operation search
[21:25] <RoyK> apt-cache, not apt-get
[21:25] <sweettea> ohh, my fault
[21:25] <sweettea> thank you
[21:26] <RoyK> np
[21:26] <hallyn> zul: dont' do which, use libvirt-lxc?
[21:26] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, I should have unassigned when I moved it to libvirt
[21:27] <zul> hallyn:  kind of :)
[21:27] <RoyK> sweettea: to install apache, apt-get install apache2
[21:27] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, wasn't sure if you were goin gto keep looking
[21:27] <hallyn> thx
[21:27] <RoyK> sweettea: perhaps some more if you want php and related libs
[21:29] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm pretty sure I'm not doing anything obviously wrong in ifenslave-2.6 and in theory a container shouldn't be able to access the list of bond interfaces nor mess with its members. One case where that'd happen is if sysfs is mounted before the change of netns but we'd have seen other bugs if that was the case
[21:29] <hallyn> stgraber: yeah i have no idea
[21:29] <hallyn> will have to look later - i'd believe they're doing some new in libvirt
[21:29] <hallyn> new being a codeword
[21:30] <stgraber> #define new WRONG
[21:30] <hallyn> i didn't say THAT
[21:50] <ffunenga> hello, can somebody help me? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/64468/how-do-i-install-libgtk-3-dev-in-elementaryos
[21:52] <sarnold> ffunenga: try "apt-cache policy libgtk-3-dev
[21:53] <sarnold> ffunenga: .. and the same command for the other packages mentioned there
[21:53] <sarnold> ffunenga: perhaps you'll be able to spot something with the output that helps you solve the situation
[21:53] <ffunenga> sarnold, ok! I'll try it now
[22:05] <sweettea> RoyK: thanks, I was more wondering on what I do when I forget the package name
[22:07] <RoyK> sweettea: the search thing in yum sucks rather badly - apt-cache takes regex and works far better
[22:07] <RoyK> and faster
[22:07] <RoyK> using a local index instead of updating from the net on every search
[22:07] <sweettea> like eix on gentoo
[22:07] <sweettea> understood
[22:07] <sweettea> ty
[22:08] <sweettea> im migrating off rhel and its a learning process
[22:08] <RoyK> I know
[22:08] <RoyK> I've been forced to use more rhel/centos lately, and it's a learning process that too
[22:16] <ffunenga> sarnold, this is what I get
[22:16] <ffunenga> https://gist.github.com/ffunenga/4758116
[22:16] <ffunenga> what does the code "500" means?
[22:22] <sarnold> ffunenga: are you missing a 'precise-updates' line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[22:24] <ffunenga> sarnold, "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep precise-updates" does not return anything
[22:27] <sarnold> ffunenga: take a look at the "Repositories" section here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Repositories
[22:28] <sarnold> ffunenga: you'll probably want to add -updates or -security or both to your apt sources.list -- and you'll want to make sure that you pick the ones that match whichever componenents you want (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) ...
[22:29] <sarnold> ffunenga: .. (there may be better descriptions of the pockets and components -- you certainly don't need to understand everything in that section!)
[22:31] <paco1> ztane: If one day you find the name of the soft (like you said: "if you are talking about desktop usage, there is a program already in ubuntu..."), advise me, please. thank you very much! ;)
[22:31] <paco1> ....and thank you all for your help :D
[22:31] <sarnold> paco1: bye :)
[22:32] <paco1> sarnold: not yet for me ;)
[22:32] <paco1> Just to thank you for your help
[22:33] <sarnold> paco1: oh! okay :) hehe
[22:37] <ffunenga> sarnold, omg! lol I had only security updates enabled...
[22:38] <sarnold> ffunenga: woo :)
[22:39] <ffunenga> I've enabled precise-updates, and now its finally working! lol I am noob, no doubt about it.
[22:39] <sarnold> ffunenga: excellent :)
[22:58] <paco1> sarnold: what do you think about dump-acct?
[23:00] <paco1> dump-acct /var/log/account/pacct | awk -F'|' '{ print $1 $2 $3 $4 "|" $5 "|" $6 "|" $7 "|" $8 "|" $9 "|" $10 "|" $11 "|" $12 "|" $13}' | egrep "firefox|soffice"
[23:01] <paco1> arrff....give me tambien cpu time.... :/
[23:03] <sarnold> paco1: try this: dump-acct /var/log/account/pacct | awk -F'|' '{print $1 $11 "\t" $5/100 " seconds"}'
[23:11] <sweettea> how does one save the current iptables rules so they will work upon reboot?
[23:11] <paco1> sarnold: $5 > it's the "cpu time" you divide?
[23:20] <sarnold> paco1: I dont think it is CPU time, but elapsed time
[23:20] <sarnold> paco1: or, at least, shauno pointed it out as execution time, and a "sleep 5" shows "500" there...
[23:21] <shauno> and if sleep(1) is using cpu time, we have bigger issues
[23:30] <paco1> shauno: yep
[23:35] <sarnold> shauno: hehe, yeah :D
[23:43] <paco1> man dump-aact > --ahz  Use specified units of time to display data from other kernel versions and architectures.
[23:43] <paco1> i don't understand that option....
[23:44] <sarnold> paco1: the acct files record time in units of hz
[23:44] <sarnold> paco1: some machines had 100 hz (ticks per second)
[23:44] <sarnold> paco1: some had 60, some had 200, some had 256, some had 1000 ...
[23:45] <paco1> ok! thanks!
[23:45] <sarnold> paco1: so if you were reading an acct file on a different machine than the one that generated it, you might need to tell the tools what Hz had been in use on that system (yes, really!)
[23:50] <paco1> ok!


[01:13] <cmaloney> I currently use NVidia, but I use the alternate drivers
[01:13] <cmaloney> user2 ^^
[01:13] <cmaloney> but I also have a machine from 2012
[01:44] <user2> you use the open source drivers?
[01:48] <cmaloney> I use the proprietary drivers on one machine
[01:49] <cmaloney> and the Noveau drivers on my laptop
[01:50] <cmaloney> The noveau drivers are decent for non-gaming tasks
[01:50] <cmaloney> and the proprietary stuff works for gaming and what-not
[02:05] <user2> I would be happy with nouveau but it wont fit my screen properly
[02:06] <user2> system settings gives me 'unknown display'
[02:07] <user2> it wont let me set a custom display over something like 600x800 either
[02:12] <user2> i guess its time to read into nouveau stuff
[02:13] <cmaloney> Yeah, I didn't have nearlt this much trouble.
[06:16] <greg-g> remember when this was all we ever talked about? :)
[13:07] <cmaloney> heh
[13:07] <cmaloney> yes
[17:07] <cmaloney> Afternoon
[17:07] <cmaloney> Reminder: meeting tomorrow at 9pm
[17:40] <cmaloney> https://www.reddit.com/r/Detroit/comments/5g5wl4/elf_for_hire/