[01:05] <debfx> rgreening_: kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff shouldn't be removed from kdebase-workspace, it hasn't been applied upstream
[02:06] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks for the use of the powerpc box.  I'm done for a while now.  I was able to upload an SRU for Bug #574906 as a result.
[04:16] <rgreening_> debfx: hmmm... I'll have to recheck that. thanks
[09:46] <Riddell> how's 4.4.3?
[09:48] <Riddell> still in ninjas
[09:48] <Riddell> I'll copy over
[09:49] <jussi> ooh, I should add PPA's to this machine. we have Lucid PPA's already?
[09:49] <Tm_T> it will land on lucid-backports or ppa-backports ?
[09:57] <Riddell> depends if I can get launchpad to do what I tell it without it breaking
[09:58] <Tm_T> ah, lovely
[09:58]  * Tm_T tries to learn the secrets of bugzilla in the meantime
[09:59] <debfx> the brightness patch is still missing in kdebase-workspace
[10:01] <Quintasan> hmm, have anyone compiled KDE trunk on Kubuntu? I'm getting errors on wrong Phonon version :/
[10:02] <Riddell> debfx: it's gone in 4.4.3 because it's upstream
[10:02] <Tm_T> Quintasan: you have to build phonon from git, you cannot use the one in Qt
[10:02] <Quintasan> Tm_T: oh, awesome
[10:03] <Tm_T> Quintasan: but you have to build Qt with phonon ...
[10:03] <debfx> Riddell: it's upstream in a bugfix release?
[10:03] <Tm_T> and then make sure that you have only the upstream phonon
[10:03] <Riddell> debfx: seems so yes
[10:03] <Quintasan> Tm_T: wait, so I'm building Qt with Phonon, right?
[10:04] <apachelogger> phonon needs to go out of Qt :P
[10:04] <apachelogger> or stop existing outside Qt :P
[10:05] <debfx> Riddell: no it isn't
[10:06] <Tm_T> Quintasan: well, if you build Qt yourself
[10:06] <Tm_T> Quintasan: if not, then ignore that bit, you just have to build Phonon from git
[10:06] <Tm_T> ...and make sure it's the phonon your build sees and uses
[10:08] <Tm_T> Quintasan: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Prerequisites#Phonon
[10:11] <Riddell> debfx: hmm, you're right
[10:11] <Riddell> rgreening: how come kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff was removed when it still applies?
[10:21] <Quintasan> Tm_T: okay, since trunk needs Qt 4.7 I'll have to build it myself anyways
[10:21] <Tm_T> Quintasan: no it doesn't
[10:22] <Quintasan> woah
[10:22] <Quintasan> that's nice
[10:22] <Tm_T> 4.6.2 should be just fine
[10:22] <Quintasan> awesome
[10:22] <Tm_T> only some parts, like kdepim mobile version needs that
[10:23] <Quintasan> then I'm leaving it and going to mow my lawn
[10:23] <Tm_T> (:
[10:23] <Quintasan> better than wasting time looking at the compilation :P
[10:42] <Quintasan> Tm_T: hmm, I have compiled it and installed but cmake still finds 4.3.1 Phonon
[10:42] <Tm_T> Quintasan: because it looks from where Qt is
[10:43] <Quintasan> Tm_T: so how do I make it to look for the new phonon?
[10:43] <Tm_T> that's the tricky part, did the last techbase link I gave you explain of it?
[10:44] <Quintasan> ah, in the same dir at Qts Phonon
[10:44] <Quintasan> :S
[10:45] <Tm_T> Quintasan: I wonder if you could do some fooling for it, so you don't have to break your already installed phonon
[10:47] <Quintasan> Tm_T: the Qt dir is set as /home/kde-devel/qt4 :P
[10:47] <Quintasan> let's try this
[10:52] <Quintasan> hmm
[10:52] <Quintasan> still looks in /usr/include/qt4
[11:09] <Riddell> debfx: uploading 4.4.3 with that patch readded
[11:09] <Riddell> also uploading kdelibs rebuilt
[11:09] <Riddell> upstream rebuilt tar
[11:15] <Riddell> ** testers needed for 4.4.3 https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[11:17] <Riddell> Trouble: ^^
[11:21] <ghostcube> ehlo peoples :)
[11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldnt we have tested before moving it there? ^^
[11:47] <Trouble> Okie dokie Riddell!
[11:50] <Tm_T> Riddell: not all packages built yet?
[11:51] <apachelogger> Tm_T: what makes you think that?
[11:51] <Trouble> I hope they are, because I'm about to update on two machines :-p
[11:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: launchpad page
[11:53] <apachelogger> launchpad--
[11:53] <Tm_T> oh, amd64
[11:53] <Tm_T> bah
[11:54] <apachelogger> amd--
[11:54] <Tm_T> and language packs still missing, but that's not a problem at all
[11:55] <Trouble> OK, I won't update my amd64 machine, just the netbook
[11:55] <Tm_T> Trouble: you can update both I think, it'll tell you if there's something missing for real
[11:56] <Trouble> Will do Tm_T, cheers :)
[11:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: they were tested before but they should also be tested after the move to be certain
[12:00] <apachelogger> true
[12:00]  * apachelogger just crashed plasma :(
[12:01] <apachelogger> hm
[12:02] <apachelogger> opendesktop needs a downloadability check fraemwork
[12:02]  * apachelogger hates it when wallpaper downloas fail :S
[12:07] <ghostcube> and icon themes -.-
[12:07] <ghostcube> you cant pull crystal icons into the kde settings
[12:07] <ghostcube> cause it sems not to be hosted on kde-look
[12:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: all installs fine, will launch session now
[12:07] <ghostcube> and some kdm themes too
[12:08] <JontheEchidna> Last final exam today, then I'll be free!
[12:09] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[12:12] <Tm_T> seems to work too
[12:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you get anywhere with increasing the akonadi timeout?
[12:34] <apachelogger> I have a feeling your issue might be realted to akonadi not terminating properly at session end
[12:34]  * apachelogger can mostly reproduce this when he has session restoring turned on
[12:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: increased timeout doesn't seem to work
[12:56] <Riddell> no change here
[12:58] <Quintasan> testing?!
[12:58] <Quintasan> count me in
[12:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: please do
[13:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: urgh. conflicts
[13:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: kdebase-workspace-data is not available yet (at least here)
[13:07] <Tm_T> Quintasan: amd64?
[13:07] <Quintasan> Tm_T: yup
[13:07] <Tm_T> ah then
[13:07] <Quintasan> oh crap it's Trouble
[13:07] <Quintasan> hide!
[13:07]  * Tm_T hides
[13:07]  * Quintasan goes into his bunker
[13:08] <Trouble> After updating my amd64 machine to 4.4.3 kdm isn't starting properly... just looking why
[13:08] <Trouble> The update was fine on i386
[13:08] <Tm_T> Trouble: possibly not all packages updated yet?
[13:08] <Quintasan> Trouble: kdebase-workspace-data is not available on amd64 yet
[13:08] <Trouble> OK, a second reboot and kdm has started fine! \o/
[13:08] <Tm_T> (weird if dependencies doesn't catch those things though)
[13:08] <Trouble> I wasn't warned that any packages were missing
[13:09] <Tm_T> Trouble: because the packages are installed, just wrong version (:
[13:10] <Tm_T> though usually bugfix release shoudln't be picky I guess
[13:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: :/
[13:10]  * apachelogger can build plasma google gadget support \\o/
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh?
[13:11] <Trouble> Although I can now enter my credentials in to KDM, KDE doesn't start :-p
[13:11] <Trouble> But I just noticed I got kdelibs and libplasma3 held back :)
[13:11]  * Trouble waits
[13:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: need to apply some changes to svn, after that we can grab the dir and build away
[13:12] <apachelogger> dir = only the source of the ggadget engine
[13:12] <apachelogger> but right now I am incredibly late for lecture ^^
[13:16] <Trouble> kdelibs-bin has a dependancy on kdelibs5 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1, but 4.4.3a is installed!
[13:17] <Trouble> Oh no wait. Forget I said that! :-s
[13:17] <Trouble> lol
[13:20] <debfx> Riddell: the brightness patch fix from 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu14 is missing in 4.4.3
[13:20] <debfx> this one: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/45101390/kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.4.2-0ubuntu13_4%3A4.4.2-0ubuntu14.diff.gz
[13:21] <Riddell> debfx: yes I added it back this morning
[13:21] <Riddell> it probably hasn't compiled yet
[13:23] <Trouble> All 4.4.3 amd64 packages have finished compiling right? I can't see any that haven't.
[13:24] <debfx> Riddell: I'm talking about a bugfix of the patch, please click on the link :)
[13:38] <Riddell> hmm, let me look
[13:50] <apachelogger> cool, todays network lecture is CCNA sem 1 and 2 ^^
[13:51] <apachelogger> what a waste of time
[14:08] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/fpM-L8.html
[14:08]  * apachelogger notes that the gg scriptengine appears to be $broken
[14:08] <apachelogger> it creates a config.txt which really should be metadata.desktop
[14:09] <jussi> you know, I think Ive said this before, but its true, the "details" button on kpackagekit is utterly useless....
[14:10] <ScottK> It is.
[14:10] <apachelogger> but fun
[14:11] <apachelogger> the amount of detail is mind warping
[14:29] <Trouble> Gah, why on my amd64 machine does the installation of kdelibs5 does it have a dependancy on 4.4.3a, but is trying to install 4.4.3? :-s
[14:53] <Quintasan> jussi: KPK was never useful in the first place
[14:53] <Quintasan> :)
[14:54] <Quintasan> Trouble: I think they have already compiled but are not published yet.
[14:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Oh, while I still have not forgotten. What do you think I can do after going through Qt's tutorials? Reading docs seems like a good idea but I'm lacking any ideas how to put my new knowledge to use.
[14:56] <Trouble> Quintasan: Do you know who's publishing them? Because I have a broken desktop machine at the moment :)
[14:57] <Quintasan> Trouble: Launchpad does that. I don't know why but it takes some time now and then
[14:58] <Trouble> Is it normal when installing something like kdelibs5-data for apt-get to say it's installing from kdelibs5-data_4%3a4.4.3-0ubuntu~ppa1_all.deb, (notice the *a* in the package name) but when settnig up the package it refers to it as 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1 (notice it's not 4.4.3a)?
[14:59] <Trouble> Perhaps that why kdelibs5 was rebuilt?
[15:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: Not that I like adding to your work but I think we need a new ToDo list :P
[15:10] <Riddell> Quintasan: that's what UDS is for
[15:11]  * Quintasan didn't get sponsorship :<
[15:11] <Trouble> OK, think I fixed my 4.4.3 problem
[15:12] <Riddell> you can still take part remotely
[15:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: Sure I will but being there means being more productive than normal (no temptation to play games or watch movies etc.) :P
[15:13] <persia> I tend to find that if I'm remote, and actually listening to sessions and interacting on IRC, I don't have *time* to play games or watch movies, etc.
[15:14] <Quintasan> persia: I think it's called procastrination.   Also, UDS isn't just limited to those who receive sponsorship.  If you can get to the venue, and find a place to stay, anyone is more than welcome.
[15:16] <Quintasan> persia: Well, the cash is the problem in my current state. Too young to work and go anywhere on my own :p
[15:16]  * genii waits for an UDS to happen near enough to Toronto to take a bus there
[15:18] <persia> Quintasan: Heh.  I understand.  I missed a number of UDSs for a wide variety of reasons.  Remote attendance can work well, if your timezone matches in a way compatible with your lifestyle.
[15:19] <Quintasan> persia: Well. Recently I've noticed that I have too much energy. Timezones are not important now ;)
[15:19] <persia> That's a good lifestyle then :)
[15:21] <persia> Is Qt 4.7 expected for maverick?
[15:21] <Riddell> persia: probably, Qt guys are coming to UDS so we can confirm then
[15:22] <Quintasan> Besides the one that does (I think) the most work on Qt packages is Lex
[15:22] <persia> OK.  Just bumped into a patch against 4.6.2 during Patch Day (bug #568402), and wasn't sure if it was worth trying to push it in, or wait for 4.7.
[15:23] <ScottK> persia: Probably most important to see if it's upstream.
[15:23] <persia> ScottK: It is: it's a backport of an upstream fix.
[15:23] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:23] <Quintasan> Hmm
[15:23] <Quintasan> I can't see it
[15:23] <ScottK> That makes it easier then
[15:24] <persia> Yeah.  The question is mostly whether it's worth making a debdiff out of the patch :)
[15:24] <ScottK> persia: We have Qt packaging in bzr, so getting it into bzr for a potential later upload is possibly even better.
[15:25] <persia> ScottK: You think it's worth fixing in 4.6.2 now, and then dropping if 4.7 lands then?
[15:25] <Quintasan> Anyone using Monospace?
[15:26] <Quintasan> It looks normal here. ゆきゅうの翼
[15:26] <Riddell> persia: if it's easy enough to put it into bzr then go ahead
[15:28] <persia> Quintasan: I see those as full-width: are they supposed to be half-width?
[15:28] <Quintasan> hmm Droid font's look very good in KDE
[15:28] <Quintasan> persia: all of them are full width?
[15:28] <ScottK> persia: I've no idea how significant this fix is.
[15:29] <Quintasan> ScottK: It can confuse Japanese users
[15:29] <persia> Quintasan: Compare "hello" and "ｈｅｌｌｏ"
[15:29] <ScottK> Riddell: When you are scheduling things for UDS, would you please put https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-maverick-next-lts-goals early in the week as I think it may affect some of the other discussions.
[15:30] <persia> ScottK: I think not very: it's just a visual appearance thing (see above sample).
[15:30] <Quintasan> urgh let me explain though I have been learing Japanese for only one month :P
[15:30] <shtylman> ScottK: should make that blueprint page point to the wiki
[15:30] <Quintasan> persia: some character must be half-width since they affect the reading
[15:30] <persia> Which ones?
[15:31] <Quintasan> ゆ　-  by itself is read as "yu
[15:31]  * persia sees random mixes of 全角 and 半角 daily
[15:31] <jjesse> is there a wiki page that goes w/ the blueprint?
[15:31] <Quintasan> but when you add it after き(ki)
[15:31] <Quintasan> it changes to kyuu
[15:31] <ScottK> shtylman: I didn't write a wiki page on that.  Did someone lese?
[15:32] <shtylman> ScottK: the wiki we had of brainstorming ideas?
[15:32] <Quintasan> persia: and the "yu" thingy should be half-width then :P
[15:32] <persia> Quintasan: That's not 全角/半角 : that's the difference between ゆ and ゅ
[15:32] <ScottK> shtylman: No.  This is meant to be a higher level discussion.
[15:32] <persia> It's about height, not width.
[15:32] <Quintasan> @_@
[15:32] <shtylman> ScottK: I see
[15:32] <ScottK> Who is our target market and what big chunks of feature do we need to get there.
[15:33] <Quintasan> uhm
[15:33] <Quintasan> persia: I thought we are talking about width -_-
[15:33]  * Quintasan is silly
[15:33] <shtylman> where is that brainstorming page anyway
[15:34] <persia> Quintasan: Not silly: just starting to learn kana.  It's confusing at first :)
[15:34] <Quintasan> persia: well, kana itself is not really hard :P
[15:34] <persia> Anyway.  Offtopic :)
[15:35] <Riddell> ScottK: do you think I can include the 10.04 review as part of that session?
[15:36] <ScottK> Riddell: I think that should probably get it's own session and come even earlier.
[15:36] <ScottK> It's a great idea.
[15:36] <ScottK> I'd like to see both those on the first day.
[15:37]  * Quintasan joins #ubuntu-jp as a reading practice
[15:37] <Quintasan> :O
[15:45] <ScottK> nixternal: Would you please turn the powerpc box back on?
[15:48] <nixternal> ScottK: powering up now
[15:48] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks.
[16:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: fixing bugs
[16:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: or make your own application
[16:05] <apachelogger> big or small
[16:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: fixing bugs, hmm, easier said than done but I'll try
[16:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ask in kde-devel if someone knows low hanging fruit
[16:06] <apachelogger> englishbreakfastnetwork also is a great resource for that kind of stuff
[16:08] <Riddell> debfx: uploading kdebase-workspace_4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4 with fixed patch, well spotted
[16:09] <debfx> thanks
[16:09]  * Tm_T huggles debfx
[16:11]  * debfx hugs Tm_T back :)
[16:20] <Quintasan> oh my god, no please, no!
[16:20] <Quintasan> johonunu: ! Ubuntu !Quickly is soooo cool :) It is so easy to make ! python apps now :)
[16:20] <Quintasan> >python apps
[16:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hehe... he will eat you alive :P
[16:23] <shadeslayer> its a frenzy in #ubuntu-classroom-chat :P
[16:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: sabdfl is going to love this session :P
[16:26]  * Quintasan is impressed by people increasing his log file size in such a small ammount of time
[16:26] <Quintasan> :P
[16:27] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[16:27] <shadeslayer> 4.4.3 is out :D
[16:32]  * apachelogger loves how amarok likes to break constantly
[16:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: you want kubuntu-maverick-patch-policy scheduled for UDS?
[16:33] <apachelogger> talking about overengineering ... I think U1 client will not be attached to a kded module but get dbusadaptors with associated marshal magic
[16:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: probably good to have this discussed
[16:33] <apachelogger> I'll try to bring up an initial proposal soonish
[16:34] <Tm_T> kdesvn r1123201
[16:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: git version?
[16:35] <apachelogger> git version?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: git version of amarok?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> you said that amarok breaks frequently... the git copy of amarok?
[16:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: see, those are the poor souls who never used KDE for programming ;)
[16:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if only
[16:36] <apachelogger> mine is labelled stable
[16:36] <apachelogger> not much stability here
[16:36] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[16:37] <apachelogger> maybe one has to send cookies somewhere to get a key to unlock the stability
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: upgrades for me!
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu.com/428373/
[16:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are all the KDE updates through?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> like.. are there breakages? or can we update
[16:39]  * apachelogger aint had no brekages
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[16:45] <shadeslayer> best thing about the upgrade : After this operation, 129MB disk space will be freed.
[16:46] <Sput> wow, that's about one album
[16:46] <debfx> I never had this before with aptitude: No solution found within the allotted time.  Try harder? [Y/n]
[16:48] <debfx> should use safe-upgrade instead of full-upgrade I guess
[16:48] <ScottK> That or just use apt.
[16:48] <ScottK> IME the cases where aptitude can find a solution and apt can't, it's not one I want.
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Sput: yep!
[16:52] <debfx> can you install and remove another package at the same time with apt-get?
[16:52] <ScottK> Probably not, but in the cases apt-get can't solve it, I generally prefer to figure it out myself over aptitude removing half my system.
[16:54] <apachelogger> that googlegadet stuff is quite buggy alright
[16:54] <apachelogger> even manages to bring down plasma :(
[16:56] <debfx> yeah aptitude's full-upgrade is crazy sometimes, it wants to remove 91 packages instead of just holding a few upgrades back
[16:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger:   Unknown CMake command "kde4_add_ui_files". <--- do you remember how to solve this? I'm trying to testbuild Inspektor from svn but it complains
[16:59] <Tm_T> debfx: ye, nuts
[17:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: find_package(KDE4)
[17:00] <apachelogger> include(KDE4Defaults)
[17:00] <apachelogger> maybe you also need to include MacroLibrary, but I dont think that is necessary for kde4_add_ui_files()
[17:01]  * Quintasan just received wall of text
[17:02] <sabdfl> Quintasan: i did :-)
[17:02] <Tm_T> sabdfl: well done session, thanks (:
[17:02] <sabdfl> thanks Tm_T. phew. need to rest my fingers :-)
[17:03] <Tm_T> I can imagine (:
[17:03] <apachelogger> oh, music in the video
[17:03]  * apachelogger can make videos with music \\o/
[17:03] <Quintasan> sabdfl: nice one :)
[17:03] <sabdfl> it was fun. great questions.
[17:04] <apachelogger> did the question of all questions come up? or is nixternal not allowed to ask questions anymore ^^
[17:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: elementText.replace(QRegExp("\n$"), "");   ->> policy says I should use QString::remove(). I would be elementText.remove(
[17:06] <Quintasan> argh
[17:06] <apachelogger> !!! http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/plasma-with-gg.ogv !!!
[17:06] <Quintasan> elementText.remove('\n$')?
[17:06]  * Quintasan pats apachelogger
[17:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: I need ot add 3 lines and we can have googlegadget support
[17:07] <apachelogger> s/ot/to
[17:07] <apachelogger> but quite frankly it seems rather broken
[17:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: awooga
[17:07] <nixternal> apachelogger: don't start none, there won't be none. don't wanna get caught up in that stuff again, still facing consequences to this day over it
[17:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger:  1615 mails?
[17:08] <Quintasan> lol
[17:08] <apachelogger> I read ~300 yesterday :P
[17:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: btw. how do you record with music from amarok? :D
[17:09]  * apachelogger has no idea
[17:09] <apachelogger> screencasting always was a bit beyond the scope of my interest ^^
[17:09] <apachelogger> anyhow
[17:09] <Quintasan> that music is not from amarok?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bah.. who uses google gadgets>
[17:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what policy where you talking about
[17:10] <apachelogger> also that replace indeed looks dirty
[17:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/krazy/reports/extragear/pim/ksig/index.html
[17:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: point 6
[17:10] <Quintasan> :P
[17:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I suppose you still need ot make it a QRegExp object
[17:11] <apachelogger> i.e. .remove(QRegExp(blahblah));
[17:11] <Quintasan> elementText.remove(QRegExp("\n$"));
[17:11] <Quintasan> awsum
[17:11] <apachelogger> right
[17:11] <Quintasan> I hope it will kompike
[17:11] <Quintasan> kompile*
[17:11] <Quintasan> blargh
[17:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: just QA that it works as expected at runtime ^^
[17:11] <shadeslayer> oh btw i need a mentor... i want to learn Qt in 6 weeks :P
[17:11] <shadeslayer> anyone free? :D
[17:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: impossible
[17:11] <Quintasan> seriously
[17:11] <Quintasan> :P
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what about basics?
[17:12]  * apachelogger is 200/hour
[17:12] <apachelogger> far from free that is
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i have a bit of experience in C++
[17:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: basics? http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/
[17:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Tutorials :P
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i hate that site...
[17:12] <shadeslayer> gives me nothing but headaches :P
[17:12] <apachelogger> oh my, next week is a workshop on android programming
[17:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: because
[17:13] <Quintasan> its TROLLtech
[17:13] <Quintasan> :P
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: is there a book?
[17:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should get a bit more of experience in C++ if Qt doc gives you a headache :S
[17:13] <shadeslayer> (to learn Qt)
[17:14] <apachelogger> you do not really learn Qt, you apply it
[17:14] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[17:14] <apachelogger> the only things to learn is layouts and how to mess with signal/slots
[17:14] <shadeslayer> what i basically know right now is that Qt is a set of libraries which can be used with C++
[17:14] <nixternal> apachelogger: that is so true about Qt
[17:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ain't that easy?
[17:14] <Quintasan> messing with slots is not so hard as it looks
[17:15] <nixternal> you can question me right now on something, and I may not know the answer, but give me a few minutes, I will apply it to my answer :)
[17:15] <apachelogger> right
[17:15] <apachelogger> right**2
[17:15] <nixternal> i think i have finally mastered layouts, except for the spacer widgets
[17:15] <nixternal> those still take some playing around with, so i try not to use those if i don't have to
[17:15] <txwikinger> right**2 [17:17] <shadeslayer> well lets see what can be done then :)
[17:17] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:17]  * ScottK makes a note of "<Quintasan> messing with slots is not so hard as it looks" for later.
[17:17] <apachelogger> what is so difficult about spacers?
[17:17] <Quintasan> lol
[17:17] <apachelogger> imagine you have a panel and want to have stuff on the left and stuff on the right, but nothing in the middle -> youd use a space
[17:17] <apachelogger> qt spacers are just like that
[17:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: variable [17:18] <apachelogger> you all need to learn ruby :P
[17:18] <Quintasan> %s/ruby/python
[17:18] <Quintasan> :3
[17:18]  * apachelogger must forgive them mortals for not seeing the beauty
[17:18] <Quintasan> 1. Use python if you want a crashy app
[17:19] <Quintasan> 2. Use Ruby if you want it even slower
[17:19] <Quintasan> :P
[17:19] <Quintasan> I wonder what would happen if you have used both
[17:19] <Quintasan> Ultimate Weapon of Massive Headache?
[17:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, my "patch" compiles successfully :P
[17:20] <Quintasan> time to test that
[17:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hmm how the hell I should determine when that function takes place when I'm running the app?
[17:22] <Quintasan> http://lxr.kde.org/source/extragear/pim/ksig/siglistviewitem.cpp#84
[17:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ruby is only slow because the maintainers refuse to drop supid and ugly tk/tcl
[17:23] <apachelogger> s/ruby/ruby1.8
[17:23] <Quintasan> hmm I think I get it
[17:23] <apachelogger> no one is using 1.8 ^^
[17:23] <Quintasan> It is supposed to replace all newlines so new Signatures will be able to fit in one line
[17:23] <Quintasan> and I must say it works!
[17:23] <apachelogger> hm
[17:23] <apachelogger> you coudl port that Q3ListView while you are at it ^^
[17:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: don't tell me I'm wrong T_T
[17:24] <apachelogger> i.e. get rid of all the q3 shiz
[17:24] <Quintasan> @_@
[17:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sounds like a small nice project to me :P
[17:24] <Quintasan> yeah
[17:24] <Quintasan> not many bugs and porting might be easy
[17:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: K3ListViewItem(parent)
[17:27] <Quintasan> what about this?
[17:28] <apachelogger> where?
[17:28] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:28] <Quintasan> wait a second
[17:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://lxr.kde.org/source/extragear/pim/ksig/siglistviewitem.cpp#77
[17:29] <Quintasan> strange
[17:29] <Quintasan> omg tons of apps use it
[17:29] <apachelogger> well
[17:30] <apachelogger> http://lxr.kde.org/source/extragear/pim/ksig/siglistview.h
[17:30] <apachelogger> it would appear that it implementsa K3ListView ;)
[17:32] <Trouble> So are we still missing some packages such as kdelibs5-data 4.4.3a in the Kubuntu PPA?
[17:33] <Trouble> I'm updating my desktop from ninjas just to get it up and running again
[17:41] <Quintasan> Riddell, Trouble: kdebase-workspace FTBFS
[17:42] <Trouble> :-s Thanks Quintasan. I'm up and running again with 4.4.3 on my amd64 desktop now I've updated from ninjas
[17:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: archive skew, needs to wait for kdelibs to compile on i386
[17:55] <Quintasan> oh
[18:06] <neversfelde> 4.4.3 released
[18:16] <shtylman> it is upon us
[18:16] <shtylman> backports?
[18:18] <Riddell> shtylman: updates
[18:18] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you pass?
[18:18] <neversfelde> shtylman: i386 seems not to be ready
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> Yes, I am almost certain I did. I won't know for sure for a little bit though
[18:19] <Riddell> almost certain congratulations
[18:19] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: what did you almost certain pass?
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> Physics 1, English Composition
[18:21]  * JontheEchidna wishes maverick would open up so that #ubuntu+1 would no longer redirect him to #ubuntu
[18:22] <neversfelde> congratulations before knowing the result bring ill luck, so I'll wait a bit :)
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: For the 30 euro allowance, is that done as reimbursements?
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> Just trying to figure out how many euros I need to get
[18:27] <Trouble> Has anyone updated to 4.4.3 amd64 successfully in updates?
[18:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Reimbursement after the fact.
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: k, thanks.
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> How is taxi sharing traditionally scheduled?
[18:29] <ScottK> I understand there is a bus this time.
[18:29] <ScottK> (see email from jcastro)
[18:29] <ScottK> Usually look up on the wiki page and ping someone arriving with you.
[18:30] <nixternal> if they don't except pesos, I don't wanna go!
[18:30] <shtylman> Trouble: I don't think it has hit the repos yet
[18:31] <imbrandon> happy cinco de mayo
[18:32] <Trouble> Well I updated my amd64 to 4.4.3 via updates and it got b0rked :-s
[18:32] <Trouble> Until I enabled ninjas and updated to 4.4.3 from there
[18:33] <yuriy_work> wow kubuntu.org announcement before kde.org
[18:33] <Trouble> I was just worried because 4.4.3 packages have been announced on the web site
[18:33] <imbrandon> Trouble: archive skew, some bits are still building
[18:34] <maco> perhaps remove announcement til the buildd's are done?
[18:34] <Trouble> Aha
[18:35] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes you claim it afterwards, no receipt required
[18:35] <Trouble> My updates may have borked because I updated from updates earlier in the day, which worked fine, then after it finished and before rebooting I checked and found new updates, which I applied, again with no dependancy problems. Then when I rebooted all hell broke loose, with conflicts between kdelibs 4.4.3 and 4.4.3a
[18:36] <maco> JontheEchidna: for barcelona i went to travelex and did the "if you get $250-worth then when you change the leftovers back we dont charge you a fee" thing. that worked well, though i didnt bother changing the leftovers back, figuring i'll be in the EU again some day
[18:43] <Riddell> s/EU/Eurozone/
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> maco: sounds like good advice
[18:44] <maco> Riddell: ?
[18:47] <Riddell> maco: there are parts of the EU which are yet to adopt the Euro
[18:47] <maco> Riddell: like england?
[18:47] <Riddell> yes, backwards countries like that
[18:47] <maco> is your country backwards?
[18:48] <Riddell> no, mearly under the colonial rule of a backwards country
[18:48] <maco> merely
[18:48] <Riddell> merely until tomorrow, when the SNP will win the election and freedom will be ours!
[18:50] <apachelogger> thing is, the election is probably based on the use of unfree software...
[18:50]  * apachelogger never finds the spec template -.-
[18:50] <maco> Riddell: do they really take office the day of the election? AND get an entire referendum through that day? if so, your country is much more efficient than mine
[18:52] <Riddell> the referendum is already going through http://www.scotland.gov.uk/About/programme-for-government/2009-10/summary-of-bills/referendum-bill
[18:53] <Riddell> UK governement takes its place once Betty asks someone to form it
[18:54] <maco> betty?
[18:54] <maco> does that mean liz2?
[18:54] <ScottK> Yes
[18:55] <Riddell> she's only the first liz here, post boxes have been blown up over that matter
[18:56] <maco> umm i need to go relearn that tudor / stewart stuff
[18:57] <maco> were elizabeth and mary sisters or cousins?
[18:57] <ScottK> Mary doesn't narrow it down much.
[18:57] <maco> heh
[18:57]  * JontheEchidna is waiting for liz10
[18:58] <maco> ok for that matter... is "bloody mary" the same as mary-queen-of-scots?
[18:58]  * maco ^5 JontheEchidna
[18:58] <maco> JontheEchidna: but a 300yr reign of the same queen...
[18:58] <maco> though im sure Riddell was happy to hear scotland wanted their own ship
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> Bloody Mary was Mary Tudor
[18:59] <Riddell> we're preparing it now
[18:59] <maco> (though i do wonder whether they *got* their own ship, what with the issue being nothing to build with and there only being one star whale doing the rescuing..)
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> heh, true
[19:00] <maco> (that episode has aired in the US now, right? pretty sure it has. thus im declaring this *not* spoilers)
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> plus there was a certain suspension of disbelief to believe in an outer space whale
[19:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Speaking from a country that got away from said colonial rule, good luck.
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> *necessary to believe
[19:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That would be different how?
[19:00] <maco> ScottK: they signed over their independence fewer than 70 years before we asked for ours
[19:01] <maco> JontheEchidna: suspension of disbelief to get through a scifi show? NO!
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> moreso than usual
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> fwiw I liked the episode
[19:01] <maco> JontheEchidna: i wonder if thats what torchwood found in that warehouse in season 2
[19:01] <maco> though hmm i dont recall pincers on the warehouse creature
[19:02] <maco> i think we need a #kubuntu-doctorwho
[19:02] <ScottK> maco: I think "signed over" might infer rather more willingness than the historical record suggests would be appropriate.
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> I've not had the time to watch Torchwood yet :(
[19:02] <maco> ScottK: apparently it took a lot less bribery than the crown expected though
[19:02] <maco> their budget for the bribes was *huge*
[19:04] <ScottK> maco: Are you coming to UDS this time?
[19:04] <maco> ScottK: no im taking a physics exam instad
[19:04] <maco> *instead
[19:04] <ScottK> OK, then I guess JontheEchidna's confession about Torchwood is less risky than I had imagined.
[19:05] <maco> i *still* havent gotten torchwood to play on my laptop
[19:05] <maco> using crimsun's external DVD drive it worked though
[19:05] <maco> so it seems my dvd drive is just finicky
[19:06] <jjesse> my wife watches desperate housewifes and the actor who plays jack harness is one of the bad guys this year on that show, kinda threw me for aloop the first time he was on
[19:08] <maco> jjesse: did you shout "JACK!" when you saw him?
[19:09] <maco> i notice that if a character is named "captain jack" they will be made attractive. ex: jack sparrow, jack harkness
[19:09] <maco> also! the other day i met someone whose last name was harkness. i asked "captain jack?" and she gave me a confused look
[19:10]  * apachelogger reads captaion jack and smiles
[19:10] <apachelogger> typos \o/
[19:11] <apachelogger> maco: she mustnt have been up to date with the who is who of dr who ^^
[19:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pinggggg
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ponggggg
[19:11] <apachelogger> see, how I made that ping look more important by using more g's ;)
[19:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/MaverickPatchPolicy did I forget to mention crappy aspects of patches in the rationale
[19:12] <apachelogger> ?
[19:12] <apachelogger> hm
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> looks pretty complete to me
[19:12] <apachelogger> everything seems to be over time today ^^
[19:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kthx
[19:54] <rgreening> ScottK: is kubuntu-netbook locked down or am I just locked out?
[19:55] <ScottK> rgreening: We did away with the channle now that it's a regular part of the Kubuntu family.
[19:55] <rgreening> ah
[19:55] <rgreening> missed that
[20:06]  * ryanakca sighs that UDS-M will still be using the old gobby version. Which means no Kobby, yet again.
[20:10] <rgreening> Riddell: you may want to poke the Kubuntu UDS attendees to subscribe to some of the blueprints... Also, we need to get them updated and approved no? In order to get them scheduled?
[20:10]  * apachelogger thinks he is getting carried away at writing the patch policy
[20:11] <rbelem> hey rgreening
[20:11] <rgreening> hey rbelem
[20:11] <ScottK> rgreening: Riddell can schedule them.
[20:12] <ScottK> rgreening: Are you coming?
[20:12] <rbelem> rgreening, i'm working on the +spec/kubuntu-lucid-file-sharing
[20:12] <rbelem> rgreening, a already have a patch, but it is not final yet
[20:12] <rgreening> rbelem: ah, good stuff. I was a bad boy last cycle :( But Im glad someone picked up the pieces.
[20:12] <rgreening> ScottK: yep
[20:13] <ScottK> rgreening: You should have mail on the schedule then.
[20:13] <rbelem> ScottK, i'm going to uds too
[20:13] <ScottK> rbelem: Excellent.
[20:13] <rgreening> I was looking over the blueprints for UDS and there are like 300+ already. Impressive
[20:14] <rgreening> seems a lot of stuff people wish to do
[20:14] <rbelem> i would like to be in the kubuntu sessions and blueprints too :-)
[20:14] <rgreening> the blueprints encompass all *buntu
[20:14] <rgreening> ScottK: will check...
[20:15] <rgreening> rbelem: so you have the basics working? cool stuff
[20:16] <rbelem> rgreening, i'm first making some changes to kio/ksambashare
[20:17] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/MaverickPatchPolicy
[20:17] <rgreening> rbelem: as long as we can do true user lever file share, Im tickled pink
[20:17] <apachelogger> that became a quite long implementaiton description
[20:17]  * apachelogger yet remains with a feeling of having forgotten something important
[20:17] <rbelem> :-)
[20:18] <rbelem> after that i will update the other codes
[20:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: You probably need some client side decorations in your design.
[20:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: pardon?
[20:23] <ScottK> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/follow-up-on-client-side-decorations/
[20:23] <ScottK> There was some sarcasm involved.
[20:23] <apachelogger> dude, I am 1000 blog posts behind or so ;)
[20:24]  * apachelogger is wondering what client side decorations are
[20:24] <apachelogger> oh my oh my
[20:24]  * rgreening gigles at the prospect of Riddell chasing down a wild boar in a Kilt, sporan flowing in the wind
[20:27] <Mamarok> apachelogger: it is something inventend by various people and supported by the self-appointed-new-designer-in-chief in his blog, but you should read what mgraesslin has to say about
[20:28] <Mamarok> various e.g. Google for Chrome
[20:29] <apachelogger> just did
[20:29]  * apachelogger is with mgraesslin a 100%
[20:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: Patches adding more than 200 source lines of code, or more than 4 functions, or requiring public API changes must be done upstream, unless they are 100% necessary for Kubuntu, and would cause malfunction or bugs if not applied (language-pack integration would be such a case). Even then upstream needs to be made aware and at least approve the patch's existence.
[20:34] <apachelogger> there you have your client side decorations :P
[20:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: No problem.  Lots of little patches then.
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> s/Patches adding/Patchset adding
[20:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is a best pratcise violation regarding quilt since you ought not have 2 patches depend on each other
[20:59] <apachelogger> ...having a whole chain of deps...
[20:59]  * apachelogger stops right there
[20:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Being able to have patches on patches is the primary use case for quilt.
[21:00] <apachelogger> not in the packaging scope
[21:00] <apachelogger> because you can do it, does not mean you should do it ;)
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> I could make a file semicolon.h and include it at the end of each line
[21:01] <apachelogger> anyhow
[21:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: small patches still need to be run by upstream, so that is not getting anywhere if they are crap either
[21:01] <ScottK> Certainly.
[21:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that would actually be handy ;)
[21:10] <maco> apachelogger: unless youre using python
[21:10] <maco> then you need indent.h
[21:10] <maco> er... .py
[21:20] <Quintasan> lol python
[21:20] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I like that idea :P
[21:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: echo ";" > semicolon.h; sed -i 's/;/\n#include "semicolon.h"/p' *
[21:20] <apachelogger> ?
[21:20] <apachelogger> lolpython is like lolcode
[21:20] <apachelogger> <3 lolcode
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: tbh it was my dad. He did an entire hello world in C using .h files for everything but the string :P
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> *my dad's
[21:22] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: omfg, give me the tarball
[21:22] <Quintasan> :P
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> if I could find it... :( Maybe I'll ask if he still has it
[21:23]  * JontheEchidna sets off a search in kfind and leaves for a bit
[21:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: lolcode > lolpython
[21:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it's your fault!
[21:35] <Quintasan> clearly, someone must be blamed for it
[21:35] <Quintasan> :S
[21:36] <apachelogger> clearly
[21:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: like that http://paste.ubuntu.com/428524/
[21:37]  * apachelogger would prefer the string to be a C "constant" though ^^
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that looks familiar
[21:37] <Quintasan> oh lol
[21:38] <apachelogger> let me improve that a bit
[21:38] <ScottK> Riddell: You might want to mention to whoever maintains http://kde.org/info/4.4.3.php#binary that Lucid isn't our development version anymore.
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: that's supposed to be us. I accidentally just uncommented what was already there
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> crtl + r
[21:39] <ScottK> OK
[21:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/428528/
[21:43] <apachelogger> better IMHO
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> agreed
[21:44] <apachelogger> hm
[21:44] <apachelogger> although
[21:50] <tsdgeos__> lo
[21:51] <tsdgeos__> 4.4.3 packages are borken
[21:51] <tsdgeos__> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:51] <tsdgeos__>   ark: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.4.3) but 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[21:51] <tsdgeos__>        Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.4.3) but 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[21:51] <tsdgeos__>        Depends: libkonq5 (>= 4:4.4.3) but 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[21:51] <tsdgeos__> E: Broken packages
[21:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/428532/ best option
[21:54] <apachelogger> tsdgeos__: is that on amd64?
[21:54] <tsdgeos__> apachelogger: yup
[21:55] <apachelogger> odd
[21:55] <apachelogger> Tm_T: did you have that issue ^
[21:56]  * tsdgeos hands ↑ to apachelogger :D
[21:56]  * apachelogger had to zoom in trice to see what that chracter is ^^
[21:57] <apachelogger> hm
[21:57] <tsdgeos> ←↓↑→
[21:57] <tsdgeos> :D
[21:57] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: might very well be intermediate breakage since there are new build scheduled
[21:57] <Trouble_> apachelogger, tsdgeos: I didn't have that dependency problem on my amd64 machine. (I had a different problem between kdelibs 4.4.3 and 4.4.3a which was resolved) ;-)
[21:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: pinggggggggg
[21:58]  * apachelogger notes that he did it again... and made a ping more important by using the powers of g ^^
[21:58] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: ok, i wait
[21:58] <Mamarok> apachelogger: here it wants to remove 135 packages
[21:58] <apachelogger> Trouble_: I am not sure that is really resolved ;)
[21:59] <apachelogger> thing is arch: all packages (such as packages containing desktop files etc.) are only built on i386, currently there is a kdelibs 4.4.3a from amd64 but no appropriate -data package for it since i386 is not built
[21:59] <Trouble_> apachelogger: Well I resolved it in a personal sense by updating from ninjas :-p
[21:59] <apachelogger> a bit of a confusing and a bit of an akward situation
[22:00] <Trouble_> I had to use a 9" netbook most of the day at work while my desktop was KDE-less lol
[22:01] <apachelogger> sounds like fun ^^
[22:02] <Trouble_> apachelogger: I should have just installed Gnone :-p
[22:02] <Trouble_> s/n/m
[22:03] <Quintasan> ehh
[22:03] <Quintasan> this is stupid
[22:03] <Quintasan> trolltech docs are trolling users
[22:05] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: I'd say no fix in less than 4 hours, considering I cant find anyone to push the appropriate package builds along
[22:05]  * apachelogger also mumbles something about people not equiping him with appropriate powers to do that -.-
[22:06] <tsdgeos> meh
[22:06] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: hack them!
[22:06] <tsdgeos> :D
[22:06]  * Trouble_ passes apachelogger some Kryptonite
[22:07]  * apachelogger throws the kryptonite after tsdgeos and starts hacking Trouble_'s Gnone machine :P
[22:07] <Trouble_> LOL
[22:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, btw, hello.h and world.h of course include h.h, e.h, l.h, o.h...
[22:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Pong
[22:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: can you increase build scores of ppa builds?
[22:14] <apachelogger> or do you happen to know someone who can and might be around?
[22:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  I'm not a buildd admin.  You need NCommander for that.
[22:14] <apachelogger> 4.4.3 is sorta broken amd64 because there aint is no appropriate -data package of kdelibs-data
[22:15] <apachelogger> NCommander: pinggggg
[22:15] <ScottK> Good thing we went ahead and announced we had packages available then.
[22:15] <Trouble_> Lol
[22:15] <Trouble_> (shouldn
[22:15] <Trouble_> 't laugh) :-p
[22:15] <Mamarok> oh well, not the first time we announce and have to retract
[22:16]  * ScottK thought we had learned our lesson.
[22:16] <apachelogger> you know who's fault it is?
[22:16] <apachelogger> launchpad's
[22:16] <apachelogger> I completely and entirely blame launchpad
[22:17] <Mamarok> apparently not... we've been in that situation often enought though
[22:17] <apachelogger> not because it is written in python, but because it is launchpad :P
[22:17]  * Trouble_ advises people to install Gnone
[22:17] <apachelogger> lubuntu with lxde
[22:17] <Mamarok> Trouble_: I prefer gmone
[22:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hey, can I somehow embbed a picture in my main widget?
[22:18] <Trouble_> Mamarok: Gnome is rubbish :-p
[22:18] <Mamarok> or because it is launchpad and it is written in python?
[22:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: like a verrrry nice big trollface.png?
[22:18] <Mamarok> Trouble_: that's why I said gmone, read the difference
[22:18] <Trouble_> I meant anything is better than Gnome!
[22:18] <Trouble_> Gnone is slightly favoured over Gmone tho' :-p
[22:19] <Mamarok> but what do you expect from a launchpad? Remember how many start cancelling NASA had in the last years?
[22:19] <Mamarok> we should use something Russian instead, at least they fly
[22:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: main widget? as in QWidget?
[22:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://wklej.org/id/328913/
[22:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I want to put a big nice trollface.jpg over there
[22:22] <Quintasan> just to annoy certain someone :P
[22:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: over as in front of the widget or as background for the whole window?
[22:23] <apachelogger> background can be done via a stylesheet
[22:23] <Quintasan> in front of the widget
[22:23] <Quintasan> :P
[22:23] <apachelogger> place another widget ontop of it :P
[22:23] <Quintasan> lol
[22:23] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:24] <Quintasan> I'd better make that "Problem, officer?" into a QPushButton and then make another widget show up
[22:24] <Quintasan> that is a nice application
[22:24] <Quintasan> :D
[22:24] <apachelogger> lol
[22:24] <Quintasan> still, how the hell to put image inside?
[22:25] <apachelogger> use an appropriate widget :P
[22:25] <apachelogger> QWidget is not meant to display a graphic
[22:25] <apachelogger> there are special widgets for that :P
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> Why didn't we push to -staging before publishing?
[22:28] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[22:28] <apachelogger> jr said it was tested
[22:28] <apachelogger> not enough it seems
[22:29]  * ScottK would suggest asking Riddell.
[22:33] <Quintasan> urgh this is a bit hard
[22:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: problemButton->connect(problemButton, SIGNAL(clicked()), this, )
[22:33] <Quintasan> how the hell do I connect a button to show a new widget?
[22:34] <apachelogger> you need to create a slot
[22:34] <apachelogger> then have that slot show the new widget (and maybe remove the old stuff)
[22:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hmm I've done that before but I created a whole new class. Is there a way without making a class?
[22:39]  * ScottK recalls "<Quintasan> messing with slots is not so hard as it looks"
[22:40] <Quintasan> it seems that creating new widgets via click is hard :P
[22:40] <Quintasan> connecting is not a problem :P
[22:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, no, see, cpp is an object oriented programming language so you should create a class anyway :P
[22:41] <Quintasan> oh well
[22:41] <Quintasan> I'll just start from scratch then
[22:43] <ScottK> Can we have a spec on "Nepomuk shouldn't eat all my CPU"?
[22:43] <imbrandon> lol
[22:53] <Sput> isn't QLabel for displaying graphics?
[22:56] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:56] <Quintasan> Sput: lol?
[22:56] <Quintasan> Sput: I can display image with QLabel?
[22:57] <Sput> yes, that's what QLabel::setPicture() is for :P
[22:57] <Sput> it can even display movies
[22:57] <Quintasan> omfg
[22:57] <Quintasan> I was using QImage
[22:57] <Quintasan> but well
[22:57] <Quintasan> I didn't test it yet
[22:57] <Sput> "QLabel is used for displaying text or an image. No user interaction functionality is provided."
[22:57] <Sput> QImage isn't a widget
[22:59] <Sput> it's just a data structure holding image data
[22:59] <Sput> (like QPixmap)
[22:59] <Sput> you'd probably create a QPicture, load your QImage or whatever into it, and set it on the QLabel.
[23:01] <apachelogger> QLabel is the alround widget for displaying non-interactive data sort of
[23:01] <apachelogger> ah, well, what Sput quoted ^^
[23:04] <Quintasan> argh
[23:04] <Quintasan> I can't figure it out how to load the image to QLabel
[23:07] <tsdgeos> void	setPixmap ( const QPixmap & )
[23:14] <imbrandon> self.label = QtGui.QLabel(self) self.label.setPixmap(QtGui.QPixmap('mute.png'))
[23:17]  * apachelogger notes that kolab should grow itself symantics support ^^
[23:18] <apachelogger> err
[23:18] <apachelogger> semantics even ^^
[23:19] <imbrandon> Sput: QLabel can display movies ?
[23:19] <imbrandon> wow
[23:19] <Sput> imbrandon: for the Qt definition of "movie", i.e. QMovie
[23:19] <imbrandon> i figured u'd need a phonon video widget for it
[23:20] <imbrandon> ahh
[23:20] <imbrandon> ok
[23:20] <Sput> QMovie is just a set of images basically
[23:20] <imbrandon> yup
[23:20] <Sput> enough for a little animation
[23:21] <imbrandon> right , i thought you ment like full mp4 avi's and such
[23:21] <imbrandon> i was like ummm
[23:26] <Quintasan> fffuuuu-
[23:26] <Quintasan> I get incorrect header
[23:31] <NCommander> apachelogger: pooooooooong?
[23:32] <apachelogger> NCommander: can you please bump the build scores of kde4libs in https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all?
[23:32] <apachelogger> 4.4.3 on amd64 is the broken because there is no -data package right now
[23:32] <apachelogger> also in case you are around, once kde4libs is built I suppose workspace could also use a bump ;)
[23:33] <Quintasan> Sput: http://wklej.org/id/328941/
[23:33] <Quintasan> I'm doing it wrong somewhere but I can't say where :S
[23:33] <NCommander> apachelogger: done
[23:33] <apachelogger> NCommander: thanks
[23:34] <NCommander> apachelogger: hrm, oops.  :P)
[23:34] <NCommander> apachelogger: you going to be at Akademy?
[23:34] <Quintasan> Sput: well, not really :P
[23:35]  * apachelogger is wondering why the image is stacked but the label is heaped
[23:35] <Sput> this is C++ - you need to care about things you heap with new()
[23:35] <apachelogger> NCommander: nope, but at the KDE multimedia sprint, if that helps :)
[23:35] <Quintasan> @_@
[23:35] <Quintasan> wtf I'm doung
[23:35] <Sput> (or tell Qt that it's a child object, then Qt will care about it)
[23:35] <NCommander> apachelogger: pity :-/. UDS?
[23:36] <apachelogger> nope
[23:36] <NCommander> apachelogger: double pity
[23:36] <Quintasan> Sput: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/tutorials-addressbook-part2-addressbook-cpp.html <-- they don't do any parenting here or I'm retarded and can't read cpp (the latter is very likely :P)
[23:36] <apachelogger> those dates are inredibly unfortunate colliding with exam season :(
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> one week earlier and I would have missed UDS due to exams too
[23:38]  * NCommander notes he would have missed it if he was still in college
[23:38] <NCommander> :-/
[23:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: besided, if I put the image on heap, how the hell I'm supposed to provide const QPicture &? :P
[23:38] <NCommander> Maybe my memory gone faulty, but we seem to be having UDS really early this year
[23:38] <Quintasan> oh wait
[23:38] <Quintasan> what the hell
[23:39]  * Quintasan facepalms
[23:39] <Quintasan> okay, now it still doesn't works
[23:39] <Quintasan> :S
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't dereferencing your qimage pointer provide const QPicture&?
[23:39] <Quintasan> QPicturePaintEngine::checkFormat: Incorrect header
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> *qpicture pointer
[23:39] <Quintasan> I get this before error
[23:40] <Quintasan> I though creating stupid apps is easy >_<
[23:40] <apachelogger> hm
[23:40] <apachelogger> well, it is probably all the same anyway
[23:41] <Quintasan> the troll.png is mentioned in files.qrc and it should be there
[23:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that example you refernece does not look very good memory managementwise
[23:41] <Quintasan> but it throws a SEGV :S
[23:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it is from TROLLtech docs
[23:41] <Quintasan> :P
[23:41] <apachelogger> that does not mean it is perfect in every aspect :P
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> insert trollface
[23:42] <Quintasan> Is there a proper way to parentize the widgets in the class constructor?
[23:42] <Quintasan> http://wklej.org/id/328944/
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> that example is an epic troll on trolltech's part
[23:42] <Quintasan> currently it looks like this
[23:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: besides, if this app eats some memory won't it count as a troll on the user? :P
[23:43] <apachelogger> ohm
[23:43] <apachelogger> jefferai: ping
[23:43] <Quintasan> that means I'm trolling myself but who cares
[23:44] <apachelogger> anyhow
[23:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qlabel.html#QLabel
[23:44] <apachelogger> second arg is parent
[23:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have some small qapp lying around
[23:45] <jefferai> apachelogger: pong
[23:45] <apachelogger> hello world or something?
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[23:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yeah, but, what should I put as a parent when the declaration is inside a constructor?
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> there's the Qt4 template from kapptemplates
[23:46] <apachelogger> jefferai: http://paste.ubuntu.com/428594/
[23:46] <apachelogger> could this be related to the bug from earlier?
[23:46] <jefferai> hrm, maybe
[23:46] <jefferai> where'd that come from?
[23:46] <apachelogger> valgrind of examples/tutorials/addressbook/part1 from Qt
[23:46] <jefferai> haha
[23:47] <Quintasan> lol
[23:47] <apachelogger> a lot of loss is going on
[23:47] <Quintasan> :D
[23:47] <apachelogger> and a lot of that mentiones the evendispatcherglib
[23:47] <apachelogger> makes me suspicoius
[23:48] <Quintasan> hngh
[23:48] <jefferai> *nod*
[23:48] <jefferai> it'll help if they can isolate it to a particular file
[23:49] <apachelogger> only patch mentioning the dispatcher is the monster phonon patch
[23:50] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/428595/
[23:50] <apachelogger> nothing heapish it seems
[23:50] <apachelogger> so maybe glib is leaking
[23:50] <jefferai> *nod*
[23:51] <jefferai> it's either a *buntu patch, or it's something that ubuntu is using that is so new that no one else is really seeing it yet
[23:51] <Quintasan> that proves qt docs are useful :P
[23:53] <apachelogger> lol


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[00:00] <Unit193> We've already managed to hit 32F.
[00:04] <wrst> We have at night had a couple of good  frost
[22:41] <aedend> Ive got an old android phone I don't use anymore. Any ideas of something cool I could use it for?