[02:54] <MarcWeber> How to handle this automount case? If /auto is active and you stop autofs then autofs just prints "Can't shutdown, /auto still active"..
[02:55] <MarcWeber> However when you release /auto (by cding away) it still doesn't stop. Either upstart should resend some signals or automount should recall that it should shutdown when /auto can be released..
[02:55] <Keybuk> there probably is no event for a filesystem being in use or not
[02:56] <MarcWeber> Keybuk: Maube automount should umount -l /auto and exit?
[02:56] <MarcWeber> I don't know which party to patch.
[02:58] <Keybuk> filesystems are hard
[02:58] <Keybuk> they're pretty integral to the "upness" of a system
[02:58] <Keybuk> bringing them up and tearing them down has proven quite the tough cookie
[02:59] <MarcWeber> What is the default signal being send to the job to make it quit?
[02:59] <Keybuk> TERM usually ;)
[03:04] <MarcWeber> Maybe I should start this on stopping : "set -e; while :; do pkill -TERM automount; sleep 1; done
[03:04] <Keybuk> or have automount "stop on starting OTHERJOB"
[03:05] <MarcWeber> What is OTHERJOB?
[03:05] <MarcWeber> When I say stop that job I want it to stop.
[03:06] <Keybuk> what you were thinking of putting that code into
[03:06] <Keybuk> ie.
[03:06] <Keybuk> if you have
[03:06] <MarcWeber> The problem is that automount get's the signal but ignores it.
[03:06] <Keybuk> /etc/init/umount.conf
[03:06] <Keybuk>   exec umount -a
[03:06] <Keybuk> and you need automount stopped first
[03:06] <Keybuk> then
[03:06] <MarcWeber> The script keeps resending the TERM signal. Upstart sends it only once
[03:06] <Keybuk> /etc/init/automount.conf
[03:06] <Keybuk>   stop on starting umount
[03:06] <Keybuk> sure
[03:06] <Keybuk> Upstart sends it once
[03:06] <Keybuk> waits for automount to get its act in gear
[03:07] <Keybuk> if it doesn't follows up with SIGKILL
[03:07] <MarcWeber> IF SIGKILL is sent /auto keeps mounted. I guess this is a autostart bug.
[03:07] <MarcWeber> It should umount -l then..
[03:07] <Keybuk> yes
[03:07] <Keybuk> automount shouldn't ignore SIGTERM
[03:08] <Keybuk> how do you tell automount to stop normally?
[03:08] <MarcWeber> It doesn't. But it neither unmounts its filesystems.
[03:08] <MarcWeber> You send TERM ?
[03:08] <Keybuk> you said it ignored TERM :p
[03:08] <MarcWeber> IT does if you cd into the /auto directory..
[03:09] <MarcWeber> if you don't it will exit.
[03:09] <Keybuk> how does it know?
[03:10] <MarcWeber> Don't ask me. Probably it tries umount /auto and notices that that command fails
[03:10] <Keybuk> oh
[03:10] <Keybuk> right
[03:10] <Keybuk> so don't do that then ;)
[03:10] <MarcWeber> That's not an option.
[03:10] <MarcWeber> I'm a human.  It restarts the job whenever the configuration changes. So maybe I should write an exception for that job as well ..
[03:11] <Keybuk> possibly
[03:11] <MarcWeber> hehe. How do you run halt then?
[03:11] <Keybuk> after the filesystems are unmounted
[03:11] <Keybuk> (you remount root read/only rather than unmounting)
[03:11] <MarcWeber> Then the command may be gone..
[03:11] <Keybuk> halt is on the root
[03:12] <MarcWeber> So you umount everything but root
[03:12] <Keybuk> yes
[03:27] <MarcWeber> How long will upstart wait until it sends SIGKILL (if there is no on stopping script running?)
[22:40] <ion> keybuk: Gotta beam off some poop. Start running around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HMCCspbUE


[16:49] <Ahmuck> afternoon kwadroke
[16:50] <kwadroke> afternoon, Ahmuck
[16:52] <kwadroke> what's up?
[16:53] <Ahmuck> not much, just getting packed for AR
[16:53] <Ahmuck> working on resume
[16:53] <kwadroke> cool
[16:56] <kwadroke> I'm just workin
[16:57] <kwadroke> about to play with some Slitaz while eating


[21:13] <Agwatic> hello , need some help please :)
[21:14] <Agwatic> my laptop "lenovo ideapad z560" unable to connect to a projector or an external monitor
[21:14] <Agwatic> my VGA is nvidia
[21:24] <Agwatic> hello :D
[21:31] <Agwatic> ChanServ: hello :D
[21:47] <elacheche_anis> hey Agwatic
[21:47] <elacheche_anis> sorry for the late :)
[21:48] <Agwatic> never mind , i just solved my problem , thank you :)
[21:48] <elacheche_anis> X)
[21:48] <elacheche_anis> ok.. what was the problem?? a driver?
[21:49] <elacheche_anis> Agwatic, next time if you find no one try to ping /me :)
[21:49] <Agwatic> ok , thanks :)
[21:49] <elacheche_anis> Agwatic,  what was the problem?? a driver?
[21:50] <Agwatic> I was unable to detect my monitor
[22:05] <elacheche_anis> :)
[22:07] <cobra-the-joker> elacheche_anis: kan feeh session embare7 ?
[22:07] <elacheche_anis> what session?


[01:23] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: no quantal in winehq? :(
[01:23] <Sarvatt> finally updated
[01:27] <Sarvatt> jeeze having a DE up in 3 seconds is nuts, sata3 ssd's are really worth it
[01:28] <bjsnider> it takes me about 8 secs in precise, is quantal faster?
[01:28] <Sarvatt> maybe its quantal, not sure
[01:28] <bjsnider> i've got an intel 520 here, very fast
[01:28] <Sarvatt> upgraded from a sandybridge macbook air to a thinkpad x1 carbon with a 2x faster ssd and now its 3 instead of 7
[01:30] <bjsnider> home is mounted on the ssd too?
[01:30] <Sarvatt> one big drive yeah
[01:30] <bjsnider> ok, maybe that's it, because i've only got root on the ssd here
[01:31] <bjsnider> maybe i should mount more of home on the ssd
[01:31] <Sarvatt> just going by [     3.063] X.Org X Server 1.13.0 and wifi being ready 5 seconds into the boot in dmesg, takes me way longer to type a password to actually log in
[01:31] <Sarvatt> X is up 7 seconds in in the macbook air
[01:34] <Sarvatt> other laptop has a crappy broadcom that needs the proprietary driver to work that takes way longer to associate, might have something to do with it seeming more laggy
[01:51] <bjsnider> crappy broadcom, but you repeat yourself
[03:57] <tjaalton> ha, darktama closed the nvd9 dp bug after i sub'd to it, saying it's supported. need to file a new bug then
[04:00] <RAOF> Heh
[04:00] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: supported on 3.7 after the rewrite?
[04:01] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: no, 3.5
[04:02] <tjaalton> it almost works, just claims there's no edid
[04:03] <tjaalton> but testing with just the discrete I got it hung with 3.6rc and then it confused the monitor so bad that I had to pull the power plug
[04:07] <RAOF> Awesome!
[04:10] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: sounds like typical DP fare
[04:11] <tjaalton> with debug output I could see the modes, but in the end nouveau would just throw in the towel
[04:11] <Sarvatt> i've had to pull the battery and hold power for 2 minutes to drain the backup on every eDP system at some point :P
[05:58] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: erm the quantal package for wine is the same as precise, so just set it to precise
[05:58] <mlankhorst> I just didn't want to upload twice
[05:58] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: but but its compiled with gcc-4.6, thats blasphemy for phoronix
[06:00] <RAOF> What? Not compiled with clang?!?!?!!1111
[06:01]  * ricotz is pushing nvidia 304.48 to xedgers
[06:01] <Sarvatt> no -ffruit-loops by default from 4.7 :(
[06:01] <Sarvatt> yeah its no big deal, thats how the wine ppa has always worked, quantal doesnt go in till after it releases :P
[06:01] <mlankhorst> oh it's mostly laziness really
[06:01] <mlankhorst> I cba to do the extra work
[06:02] <ricotz> mlankhorst, hi, there is no extra work though
[06:02] <ricotz> ;)
[06:02] <ricotz> just a dch and debuild -S -sd
[06:02] <mlankhorst> ^extra work
[06:02] <Sarvatt> there was when ia32-libs was a thing
[06:04] <Sarvatt> ricotz: i'm almost thinking no xserver 1.13 in edgers for precise, what do you think?
[06:04] <Sarvatt> not much point when it will be in the backport ppa
[06:05] <mlankhorst> just alter the scripts to rename *ducks*
[06:05] <Sarvatt> and 12.04.2 come jan
[06:06] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hmm, i see, updating the 1.12 package might be useful then
[06:06] <mlankhorst> xorg-server-crack-edgers
[06:07] <Sarvatt> thats easier, just reuse the old debian/ from the current one once a month or something :)
[06:08] <mlankhorst> oops, need to copy the prime xxv's over
[06:09] <Sarvatt> i woulda said noone would notice if you just left it but yeah people thought we were on mesa 8.x in quantal because of that ppa
[06:09] <mlankhorst> there, now qbp has prime, assuming we get xrandr updated in time and/or the autobind server patch
[06:09] <mlankhorst> yeah I'll update it
[06:10] <Sarvatt> i dont know how you're updating it so hesitant to
[06:10] <mlankhorst> ...?
[06:10] <Sarvatt> dont want to screw it up :)
[06:10] <mlankhorst> I don't understand what you mean there
[06:11] <Sarvatt> oh you already updated it all, was just wanting to update it last week when things changed a lot in quantal but didnt want to step on any toes
[06:12] <mlankhorst> yeah don't worry about that, I do need to push the changed scripts though :)
[06:13] <mlankhorst> -extraversion="~precise1~ppa3"
[06:13] <mlankhorst> +extraversion="~precise1~ppa4"
[06:13] <Sarvatt> which scripts?
[06:13] <Sarvatt> ah in xorg-pkg-tools, how did i miss that
[06:14] <mlankhorst> you didn't think I would do it by hand did you? :p
[06:15] <mlankhorst> only xorg and xorg-lts-quantal, but I need to update those still
[06:16] <Sarvatt> blob naming might be a PITA
[06:16] <ricotz> i dont think blob needs to be renamed
[06:16] <Sarvatt> need to somehow move people from nvidia-current-updates onto nvidia-current-updates-quantal
[06:17] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: no, we just make nvidia-current-updates work for both..
[06:17] <Sarvatt> true
[06:17] <mlankhorst> iirc that was a bit harder for fglrx though
[06:18] <Sarvatt> artifical abi restrictions are a thing of the past all the sudden, where tseliot made them provide multiple ones
[06:18] <mlankhorst> but hey if that plan fails it's going into the rename bin
[06:18] <Sarvatt> not sure he made 304.xx provide xserver 1.13's abi in -updates in the precise-proposed one though
[06:19] <Sarvatt> but still people would need to be moved from nvidia-current to nvidia-current-updates
[06:19] <mlankhorst> yeah nvidia-current-updates might need provides: nvidia conflicts nvidia to join the rest
[06:20] <Sarvatt> would be nice if the transition from nvidia-current to nvidia-current-updates was automatic somehow, needs to be
[06:21] <mlankhorst> add those conflicts and provides, and it will be..
[06:22] <mlankhorst> or at least probably, not 100% sure
[06:22] <Sarvatt> post release, upload another nvidia-current moving people over to -updates? good idea
[06:22] <Sarvatt> except some people want to stay with a working driver
[06:22] <mlankhorst> I don't think it will be impossible
[06:23] <mlankhorst> don't forget, the rest of the stack already works in a similar way
[06:23] <Sarvatt> best we can do is keep people on a long term support branch, its silly to stay on one driver forever imo
[06:24] <mlankhorst> yeah I plan on just making the old one the default, so if people update they just have to update to newer nvidia driver first, or afterwards
[06:26] <Sarvatt> its really crappy the first lts backport wont even be useful :(
[06:26] <Sarvatt> being done for haswell, but quantal wont work
[06:27] <Sarvatt> limited to the kernel though, we'll have to ship 3.7 or 3.8 even with quantal userspace
[06:34] <mlankhorst> you say that as if it's a bad thing
[06:35] <mlankhorst> would rather test while it's less useful than when it's really a must have
[06:36] <Sarvatt> it was a must have weeks ago, we have a bunch of OEM haswells people are freaking out about :)
[06:36] <mlankhorst> so do what we always do, backport drm into current kernel?
[06:36] <mlankhorst> :D
[06:37] <Sarvatt> oems dont pay for that to happen, everything has to be SRUed :P
[06:38] <mlankhorst> business as usual then :-)
[06:38] <Sarvatt> yep
[06:40] <Sarvatt> every tock is a problem apparently
[06:40] <RAOF> That's been the general case, yes.
[06:40] <RAOF> Although I don't think the GPU side is actually following the tick/tock cadence the same way.
[06:40] <mlankhorst> it's tocktock
[06:40] <RAOF> Probably because the GPU world moves faster.
[06:40] <Sarvatt> sandybridge we shipped with no acceleration at all in 10.10
[06:41] <RAOF> But it did support KMS! That's a pretty neat feature :)
[06:41] <mlankhorst> well with llvmpipe fallback I don't know how useful it is to only support kms
[06:41] <RAOF> Actually, kms + llvmpipe on haswell will probably be reasonably useable :)
[06:42] <mlankhorst> oh I mean that last time I tried llvmpipe glitched quite badly
[06:42] <RAOF> Ah. I think unity's fixed that.
[06:42] <RAOF> If not, they know *exactly* what they need to do to fix it.
[06:44] <Sarvatt> yeah pretty sure i saw them mention a ccsm change that fixed llvmpipe compiz a few weeks ago
[06:45] <Sarvatt> in the cirrus kvm bug
[06:45] <mlankhorst> ah :-)
[06:45] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1021104
[06:57] <tjaalton> unity is better, but compiz still crashes quite easily with llvmpipe
[06:58] <Sarvatt> tseliot: have you given any thought to the q-lts-backports ubuntu-x-swat ppa that is going to go into q after release? -updates drivers you upload to precise need to provide newer abis if they support it for that i think
[07:00] <tseliot> Sarvatt: nvidia-current-updates is already in proposed (same version as the one in quantal), as for the rest, we don't have drivers which support the new ABI yet
[07:01] <Sarvatt> nvidia-current-updates in proposed does, does the precise-proposed one provide the xserver 1.13 abi too?
[07:01] <Sarvatt> somehow blobs are going to need to work with all of that, its going to be a headache
[07:01] <tjaalton> new abi support can be added as soon as the driver (properly) supports it, despite the release it's targeted at
[07:02] <tjaalton> hope that was engrish
[07:03] <tseliot> Sarvatt: we have 304.43-0ubuntu0.1 in precise-proposed but I'll have to hardcode the ABI there too
[07:05] <tjaalton> you have to hardcode the supported abi's in every release since it started :)
[07:06] <tjaalton> *since the package started to hardcode the abi
[07:08] <Sarvatt> going to be extra weird with nvidia-304 starting next release
[07:09] <tjaalton> how so?
[07:09] <Sarvatt> they're already at 306.xx on the windows side after dropping 6xxx and 7xxx
[07:10] <tseliot> also the 304.xx is gonna be a legacy driver...
[07:11] <Sarvatt> somehow transitioning people on 6 and 7xxx using nvidia-current to the new nvidia-304 package, don't even see how thats possible
[07:11] <tseliot> shall I call it nvidia-304?
[07:12] <tseliot> it would make sense
[07:12] <Sarvatt> well you already set that precident with 96 and 173
[07:12] <tseliot> right
[07:12] <tseliot> but no, transitioning won't be easy unless we add some code in Update manager (as we did in the past)
[07:16] <mlankhorst> :(
[07:33] <RAOF> tseliot: We should really have a debian/supported_abis file for the nvidia/fglrx drivers and generate the Depends from that :)
[07:34]  * ogra_ thought you can do that with a var like ${slib:depends}
[07:34] <ogra_> *shlib
[07:35] <tseliot> RAOF: that's a good idea. Are there any other packages that do this already or would I have to write new code for it?
[07:35] <RAOF> tseliot: You'd need to write new code for it, I think.
[07:35] <tseliot> ok
[07:35] <mlankhorst> I don't see how updating some other file instead of control would help matters?
[07:36] <RAOF> tseliot: I don't suppose there's an easy way to *automatically* discover what ABIs are supported?
[07:36] <tseliot> mlankhorst: right now we update the debian rules which, in turn, uses debian/control.in to generate debian/control
[07:37] <mlankhorst> can't you just use a simple .vars file?
[07:37] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:37] <RAOF> Well, ish.
[07:37] <ogra_> what about ${xviddriver:Depends}, couldnt that just include the abi ?
[07:37] <RAOF> ogra_: It does; but the binary drivers support more than one ABI.
[07:37] <tseliot> RAOF: I'm not sure, maybe I should see if there's something we can extract from their README file
[07:37] <ogra_> RAOF, well, they will only support one in one distro release :)
[07:38] <RAOF> So we want to Depends: xorg-video-11 | xorg-video-10 | xorg-video-13 | ...
[07:38] <ogra_> why ?
[07:38] <ogra_> your xorg will only provide one ABI anyway
[07:38] <tjaalton> tseliot: you can't automate that part..
[07:39] <RAOF> Partially because it's a more accurate description of their dependencies. Partially because I don't think we particularly want to rename+backport the nvidia packages, so having them be forward-compatible is pretty nice.
[07:39] <tjaalton> tseliot: knowing what happened last time
[07:40] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, it's better if we are in control
[07:40] <tjaalton> xserver has debian/serverminver, similar plumbing would work with the blobs
[07:41] <tjaalton> so debian/control has ${blob:Provides} and debian/rules then replaces that with some string
[07:41] <tseliot> tjaalton: that's just for one ABI though
[07:41] <ogra_> RAOF, apart from the fact that nvidia rarely even keeps up (or is ahead) with the ABi i would agree :)
[07:41] <tseliot> the serverminver
[07:41] <tjaalton> tseliot: I meant the mechanism
[07:41]  * ogra_ is still waiting for a tegra release that supports more than ABI 12
[07:41] <tjaalton> have a file with the abi's, then rules replaces a string in control
[07:42] <tseliot> tjaalton: right, I'll see how that works and  see if I can reuse the code
[07:42] <RAOF> tjaalton, tseliot: Have a file with the abis, and then a rules fragment that dumps them in .substvars.
[07:43] <RAOF> That's more idiomatic; that's how ${shlibs:Depends} et al are done.
[07:43] <tjaalton> hmm right the xserver example was something else :)
[07:43] <tseliot> either way it's fine by me
[07:44] <tjaalton> use what RAOF suggested
[07:44] <RAOF> gen-abi-substvars: cat substvars >> nvidia-current.substvars ☺
[07:44] <tseliot> ok then
[07:45] <ogra_> RAOF, that would brak on the smiley :P
[07:45] <ogra_> *break
[07:46] <RAOF> Lies! dash is perfectly capable of writing to utf-8 filenames!
[07:46] <tseliot> :D
[08:26] <mlankhorst> ugh guess i better work on my presentation
[08:30] <tjaalton> about?
[08:30] <mlankhorst> optimus
[08:31] <tjaalton> of course..
[08:31] <mlankhorst> and all the kerne lcrap I've been working on I suppose
[09:49] <mlankhorst> ok the xorg-server patch for autobinding seems to work on my laptop
[09:50] <mlankhorst> can someone push out a new xorg-server version?
[10:00] <tjaalton> what's there?
[10:01] <tjaalton> oh that
[10:01] <tjaalton> forgot the udev patch, but I have it here..
[10:02] <tjaalton> need to run though
[10:02] <tjaalton> next week is soon enough :)
[10:02] <mlankhorst> hehe sure


[07:43] <jarnos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10213730
[13:57] <AlexZion> hi everyone, I'm trying to install Lubuntu pona old pentium 3 machine , and it's quite impossible .....
[13:58] <AlexZion> to boot uo with live , needs 30 min and even more ...., is it normal !?! :O
[13:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> nope
[13:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> I prefer you to get some Older LTS versions as the newer versions needs some good processor speed and RAM
[14:05] <phillw> AlexZion: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[14:07] <AlexZion> noway man , at moment I'm trying it on a P4 3.2 Ghz is the same , so......, I think Lubuntu is not ready yet !?!
[14:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> any recent *buntu versions needs at least 1 GB RAM
[14:08] <IAmNotThatGuy> AlexZion, ^
[14:10] <AlexZion> that'swhy I was thinking to Lubuntu , they said something like "can boot on a machine very old...",I'm trying on P4 3.2 Ghz CPU with 2 gb of ram  and a 6600 nvidia with 256 ram , and to boot the live system more than 30 minut ......
[14:12] <phillw> AlexZion: the 256 RAM will be shared for graphics, so you may find yourself struggling with the live cd version. on older systems the dpkg step can take upto an hour.. People have it running quite happily on P3 with 256 MB ram.
[14:13] <phillw> AlexZion: have you run the self test on the CD yet?
[14:14] <AlexZion> I already tried everythink , seems to be ok , but nothing , the live or the installation  is impossible ........
[14:15] <AlexZion> I mean I'm trying it on a pc that runs very well Kubuntu 10.10 with everything ......
[14:16] <AlexZion> anyway, I'll leave for today ... is better .... I'll try tomorrow , maybe with something else ......
[14:16] <AlexZion> thanks anyway ......
[14:29] <lubuntu> Hi all
[14:31] <newbie> new to Lubunto I'm trying to figure out how to browse my network and share files and folders with Win machines...
[14:32] <bioterror> newbie, open terminal and type: sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[14:32] <bioterror> put your password and press enter
[14:32] <bioterror> then after installation start file browser again and you can search windows shares
[14:36] <newbie> I could see the windows files already (not sure how I got there but i could see the other machines) I can't share the files on my machine though
[14:38] <bioterror> !samba | newbie
[14:40] <phillw> newbie: if you are confident with the terminal, you can also use http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=96
[14:41] <newbie> thanks ubot5 unfortunately I'm not confident with anything at all at the time :)
[14:42] <bioterror> charlesa just made a samba guide
[14:42] <IAmNotThatGuy> newbie, ubot5 is a script (bot and not a human) =]
[14:42] <IAmNotThatGuy> instead, thank bioterror :D
[14:42] <newbie> I tried installing it with the Synaptic package manager but it does not seem to pop up anywhere
[14:43] <bioterror> newbie, http://charlesa.net/tutorials/samba.php
[14:43] <newbie> I thought so but sure is a smart bot . Thanks bioterror
[14:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> newbie, added the appropriate archives to download?
[14:44] <newbie> I think so, I flagged a bunch of stuff with Samba in the name... (not all of it though)
[15:06] <newbie> :( would you believe I have a hard time simply changing the file... I can't seem to be able to save any changes in leafpad and don't know how to open the file with nano
[15:27] <bioterror> newbie, alt+f2 gksudo leafpad /etc/samba/smb.conf or whatever it was
[15:39] <leszek> hi
[16:39] <roger_12345> Iam installing lubuntu in a flash card (intel classmate PC) and the screen freeze in a point. Any help?
[16:40] <roger_12345> The install is from a pendrive (unebooting)
[16:40] <mark76> I don't know anything about that
[19:37] <kaemo> any way to change default lxterminal starting size??
[19:38] <bioterror> yes
[19:39] <kaemo> how? :>
[19:39] <bioterror> telling openbox to open the window with desired dimensions
[19:40] <kaemo> and how can i do that?
[19:40] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[19:40] <kaemo> hi
[19:40] <bioterror> sorry
[19:40] <kosaidpo> my /etc/hosts file get generetad every boot and i keep losing that vhost site anynoe can help
[19:41] <bioterror> you can only define position
[19:41] <kosaidpo> kaemo: howdy
[19:41] <bioterror> so I suggest to use .Xdefaults
[19:41] <bioterror> XTerm*geometry: 90x28
[19:44] <kosaidpo> guys my hosts file get generated every boot
[19:44] <kosaidpo> and i have to re-add to it things fo vhost
[19:44] <bioterror> kosaidpo, that's becouse dhcpd server offers you that
[19:45] <kosaidpo> bioterror: and how ican efuse this offer ?? :D
[19:45] <bioterror> or well
[19:45] <bioterror> atleast I get stuff from my dhcp server and NetworkManager likes to generate that hosts file
[19:46] <bioterror> kosaidpo, dont use networkmanager
[19:46] <bioterror> i think it's the root of all iiivyl in your case?
[19:46] <kosaidpo> uhm then how ican get on internet i have a 3G modem handdled by it
[19:47] <bioterror> :D
[19:47] <bioterror> use the terminal :D
[19:47] <bioterror> pon and poff
[19:47] <kosaidpo> uhm idk how :P
[19:48] <kaemo> bioterror: thanks, do i need to restart X to make this work?
[19:48] <kosaidpo> bioterror: teach me : )
[19:48] <bioterror> kaemo, if you added stuff to .Xdefaults then you can start a terminal
[19:48] <bioterror> and it should take affect
[19:48] <kaemo> it odes not
[19:48] <kaemo> does*
[19:50] <bioterror> sowwy
[19:50] <bioterror> xrdb -merge Xdefaults
[19:50] <bioterror> I really cant remember all
[19:50] <bioterror> :D
[19:50] <bioterror> .Xdefaults
[19:52] <kaemo> meh
[19:52] <kaemo> it still won't work
[19:52] <kaemo> :D
[19:53] <bioterror> works with XTerm
[19:54] <bioterror> and with UXTerm
[19:54] <bioterror> so
[19:54] <kaemo> i tried also lxterminal*geometry but meh
[19:55] <bioterror> lxterminal is a "gui" to lxterm which is a blaa blaa for the uxterm
[19:55] <kaemo> ahh
[19:55] <kaemo> hmm
[19:55] <kaemo> then i don't know
[19:55] <kaemo> :<
[19:56] <bioterror> use UXTerm*geometry
[19:56] <bioterror> :D
[19:58] <kaemo> and the result is...
[19:58] <kaemo> meh
[19:58] <bioterror> works for me
[19:58] <bioterror> you just need to say xrdb -merge .Xdefaults
[19:59] <kaemo> i did it
[20:00] <kaemo> maybe my 128x36 geometry is the case ^_^
[20:00] <bioterror> UXTerm*geometry: 140x24
[20:00] <bioterror> works without a problem
[20:01] <kosaidpo> bioterror: can you please teach me how to get conected via terminal ?
[20:05] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup this one has some information that regards pon and poff
[20:06] <bioterror> check your loco
[20:06] <bioterror> our loco has guides
[20:06] <bioterror> and I'm off now
[20:06] <kosaidpo> and is it possible to make all those cmmd thati have to type in a file n that file get loaded when i plug the modem ?
[20:08] <bioterror> yes
[20:13] <kosaidpo> okies bioterror thanks ill ask you next time abt wichi comment that listen if sumthin is plugged o not
[20:27] <bioterror> :D
[20:28] <bioterror> kosaidpo, your loco has nothing?
[20:28] <kosaidpo> bioterror: you mean what by loco (whee i live )
[20:29] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[20:30] <kosaidpo> ahh if you mean my loco teams its not that active
[20:31] <kosaidpo> ill find in the oom only one person :P if not then 4 peson but mostly away
[22:10] <francisco> hello
[22:10] <francisco> skype doesn't work in my lubuntu
[22:11] <francisco> especially the sound setup
[22:13] <phillw> francisco: you're not being ignored, if there is some one about with Skype knowledge they will reply. I do not use it. One other possible channel to try on is #ubuntu-beginners as we all use the same core system.
[22:13] <francisco> thank you phills
[22:13] <francisco> thank you phillw
[22:18] <phillw> hyperair: oops, I lost the offtopic channel when I updated for the Hug a Bug Day
[22:18] <hyperair> eh?
[22:18] <hyperair> phillw: what do you mean lost the offtopic channel? O_o
[22:19] <AndrewMC> hyperair: in the /topic
[22:19] <phillw> hyperair: The topic for #lubuntu is: Lubuntu 10.10 has been released || Please use the Bit-Torrent to download at http://j.mp/lu-10-10 || Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu || There is a Hug a Bug day, all day on 10th December for Lubuntu, bring along your bugs :)
[22:20] <hyperair> AndrewMC: ah.
[22:21] <hyperair> hmm
[22:21] <hyperair> so what did it say previously?
[22:21] <AndrewMC> hyperair: what phillw posted
[22:22] <hyperair> AndrewMC: what? i thought you said he lost the offtopic channel in the topic?
[22:22] <hyperair> it looks exactly the same as the current one, so what's wrong?
[22:22] <AndrewMC> hyperair: what phillw just posted was what was there before /topic is what is there now
[22:22] <phillw> hyperair: I had ....
[22:23] <hyperair> er
[22:23]  * hyperair is thoroughly confused
[22:23] <francisco> i think i need a sound controler
[22:23] <phillw>  hyperair: The topic for #lubuntu is: Lubuntu 10.10 has been released || Please use the Bit-Torrent to download at http://j.mp/lu-10-10 || Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu || There is a Hug a Bug day, all day on 10th December for Lubuntu, bring along your bugs :)
[22:23] <AndrewMC> now its.... Lubuntu 10.10 has been released || Please use the Bit-Torrent to download at http://j.mp/lu-10-10 || Off-topic discussion in #lubuntu-offtopic || Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu || There is a Hug a Bug day, all day on 10th December for Lubuntu, bring along your bugs :)
[22:23] <phillw> is the old topic, where I had managed to delete the reference to lubuntu-offtopic.
[22:24] <hyperair> ah
[22:24] <hyperair> phillw: you could use past tenses, you know. you had me very thoroughly confused
[22:24] <hyperair> "the topic was.."
[22:24] <phillw> lost is the past tense of loose?
[22:24] <hyperair> lose
[22:25] <hyperair> loose means that something doesn't fit properly
[22:25] <hyperair> i.e. my pants is loose so it keeps slipping off
[22:25] <hyperair> you probably didn't want to know that, and it's not true anyway, but it's a good example of a sentence
[22:25] <phillw> hyperair: now you know why have a 15 year lad from Brazil check my grammar :P
[22:25] <hyperair> lol
[22:26] <hyperair> phillw: well mixing up loose and lose is not as confusing as mixing up "is" and "was"
[22:26] <hyperair> "the topic currently is"
[22:26] <hyperair> "the topic was .... in the past"
[22:27] <hyperair> now, if you drop the extras and replace was with is.. you pretty much get the meaning completely wrong, and it's not easily auto-correctable on the reader's end either. =p
[22:27] <phillw> I just pasted up what the topic was upon entry, as it was current until you altered it; "is" was correct.
[22:27] <hyperair> i altered it?
[22:27] <hyperair> i didn't alter the topic. O_o
[22:27] <hyperair> 06:27:35 -!- Topic set by AndrewMC [] [Thu Dec  9 06:15:24 2010]
[22:28] <phillw> hyperair: ChanServ has changed the topic to is all I saw, I assumed it was you :P
[22:29] <hyperair> phillw: it looks like AndrewMC set the topic though, not ChanServ.
[22:29] <hyperair> and i think i didn't get teh topic change message, since i had just joined.
[22:30] <phillw> AndrewMC: is empowered to do so. The other reason I thought it was you is that you joined immediately after the change
[22:30] <hyperair> ah
[22:31] <hyperair> good timing huh >_>
[22:31] <phillw> but AndrewMC also prefers to use Canserv
[22:31] <phillw> *chansev*
[22:31] <hyperair> mwahaha, i can mess with chanserv and blame it on AndrewMC then! >=D
[22:42] <phillw> lol


[11:44] <KBar> Confirmed bug #1950075 potentially of medium to high importance.
[11:45] <KBar> Easily reproducible. Steps are included. Logs and a short screencast attached.


 Thank you
 Ah yes mparillo still some work in progress on this. In essence Kubuntu has it's own Space, and within the space 3 Rooms. @tsimonq2 helped me set it up. There is a discussion point for the Kubuntu Council which should help us to shape policy on this.
 https://invent.kde.org/teams/distribution-kubuntu/2024-25-strategic-plan/-/wikis/KC-Q1-meeting-dd-mm-yyyy
 And updated documentation for the website.
 https://invent.kde.org/teams/distribution-kubuntu/2024-25-strategic-plan/-/issues/14
[18:04] <mmikowski> sgmoore: I am so sorry to hear this. Best wishes to you.
 Thank you. I am devastated and heartbroken 💔. I am getting ready for church to go be with God as my son would have wanted.
[20:22] <mmikowski> Bless you Scarlett. Dana also sends her prayers.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> sgmoore: Praying here as well! So sorry to hear you're going through this.
 Thank you to all of you. All the support will get me through this difficult time.
[20:28] <mmikowski> You're welcome Scarlett. Again, best wishes.
[20:59] <valorie> sgmoore: call me if you need anything or just want to cry or talk
[20:59] <valorie> whatever & whenever
 I adore you valorie, you care for us all so much, and I love you for that {{{hugs}}} ❣
[21:37] <valorie> <3
[21:37] <valorie> @Rick_Timmis SAME!
[21:37] <valorie> sorry for my cranky email last night
 Thank you Valerie <3 heading to church now, but will call you in the next day or two. Much love
[21:38] <valorie> perfect
 Not Cranky valorie, it was legit frustration, I went to edit that issue and was like Uh? How is that not possible. However, we've an unspoken requirement to maintain the bridge between KDE and Ubuntu, and I am very keen to persist with kde.invent because it's the perfect place to make everything Kubuntu is doing visible in both camps. I relish the day when you and I get to meet, because it'll be the best {{hug}} ever. Thank you.
 You can't edit it? (re @Rick_Timmis: Not Cranky valorie, it was legit frustration, I went to edit that issue and was like Uh? How is that not possible. However, we've an unspoken requirement to maintain the bridge between KDE and Ubuntu, and I am very keen to persist with kde.invent because it's the perfect place to make everything Kubuntu is doing visible in both camps. I relish the day when you and I get to meet, because it'll be t
 Ah you had same troubles too, hmm that's a UI issue
 I can edit fine (re @Rick_Timmis: Ah you had same troubles too, hmm that's a UI issue)
 Yes, select the drop down 'Issue' at the top, and it has an edit button
 Which is so out of context because in edit or create mode that drop down has only Issue, or Incident
 Like Who knew!!!
 My edit button is not in the menu, but beside it
 Hmmm.. maybe it's a mobile rendering issue then, as I was doing it on my phone
 Ah, that is likely why
 In a reasonable size browser window it  is there and obvious
 It took me ages to find it, and frankly I was getting pretty miffed aboutit
 But, of course it's all pretty new, once I get the hang of it..
 It'll be great
 I really like GitLab great platform
 I agree


[18:32] <MajB> Good morning folks.  I am a member of the AZLoCo and am looking for a POC in your organization to discuss the possibility of pooling our resources to host future events.  Any assistance will be appreciated.
[20:53] <ianorlin> hmm should I do a google+ post about alpha1 of flavors of 15.10 being released of ubuntu-california


 Hello, does someone here uses kubuntu with hybrid nvidia? it works fine? the video changes automatcally to GPU as in Ubuntu Gnome?
 LB88
[16:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:57] <ls> hi hi
[18:55] <petersaints> any chance of getting KDE Frameworks 5.89.0 on the Kubuntu Backports PPA? I noticed that it is already present on the Kubuntu Staging Frameworks PPA so, unless there are any glaring issues, it should be mostly ready to be moved to the "main" PPA.
[18:56] <petersaints> Meanwhile, Merry Xmas for the whole community 🎄🎅
 "any chance of getting KDE..." <- The same goes for the KDE Application 21.12.0 on the "Kubuntu Staging KDE Applications" PPA.