[03:58] <apb1963> ubuntu 12.04.3  3.2.0-57-generic-pae #87-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 21:57:43 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux   CRASH.  FREEZE....reboot.... FREEZE....reboot... FREEZE....reboot.... FREEZE
[04:01] <apb1963> :(
[04:02] <apb1963> I get about 30 minutes of uptime now... then it freezes.
[04:03] <apb1963> I don't see anything exciting in the logs.... but then I don't know what to look for.
[04:04] <apb1963> started happening yesterday
[04:05] <apb1963> or perhaps this morning... something came down in an update, I don't know what.
[04:06] <apb1963> AFAIK everything is current.
[05:23] <apb1963> And we have another freeze... and reboot.
[06:56] <apb1963> And another freeze.... and reboot
[09:01] <apw> apb1963, if this is sudden, then you want to try and oldre kernel and see if it does it there
[09:03] <smb> apw, Or gfx, whatever or whichever he got
[09:03] <apw> moin
[09:03] <smb> apw, moin
[09:04] <cking> yawn
[09:04] <smb> fwiw I was running that kernel for a bit but now moved on as I got proposed enabled
[09:13] <apb1963> apw Would the update manager have downloaded and installed a new kernel?
[09:14] <apb1963> The date here....3.2.0-57-generic-pae #87-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 21:57:43 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386  isn't that the date the kernel was compiled?
[09:15] <smb> yes that is the compile date, but also yes update manager also does download and install kernel packages just like any other
[09:16] <apb1963> ok, so .... did something force a download within the last 24 hours?  Wouldn't I have gotten that kernel 3 weeks ago?
[09:16] <apw> you can tell what has ben downloaded in the last 24 hours in your apt logs
[09:16] <apb1963> cool.  let me check that.
[09:18] <smb> Even longer in /var/log/apt/history.log*
[09:20] <apb1963> yeah that's what I was looking at... not a lot in there.  However, notice the time of my last comment before you guys woke up.
[09:20] <apb1963> it's been over 2 hours
[09:22] <apb1963> The only thing that really happened in that time is I updated sflphone - an application I use.  A softphone.  I went into that channel several hours ago... and noticed that the developer mentioned to me he thought he had fixed a bug I reported.  I told him of this freeze problem - he didn't respond, but another updated came down shortly after... I installed that and now it's been 2 hours since the last freeze.
[09:23] <apb1963> That's the same app that was tickling a DBUS bug I reported not too long ago.
[09:23] <apb1963> It was crashing my system... so he changed his code... to accommodate.
[09:24] <apb1963> So many changes going on it's hard to know what's causing what.
[09:24]  * apw nods
[09:25] <apb1963> And... as best as I can remember...  I thought I updated to the -57 version a few weeks ago... but i'm not 100% sure... hell, it could have been -56
[09:26] <apb1963> I can post the apt log if you wouldn't mind having a look.  I'm sure you're more familiar with the various things than I am.
[09:26] <smb> apb1963, Usually you have at least 2 (usually even more if you don't manually delete them) of the previous kernels
[09:26] <apb1963> I haven't deleted anything
[09:27] <apb1963> although I'm not sure where to look for them
[09:27] <smb> If you hit left shift during boot (or modify grub to always show up for a few seconds) you can select them
[09:27] <smb> ls /boot
[09:28] <apb1963> Yeah....  I tried hitting both left & right shift... it just ignores it.
[09:28] <smb> The timing is... trick
[09:28] <smb> tricky
[09:28] <apb1963> I held it down for the entire boot sequence... it ignored me
[09:28] <smb> I prefer to modify /etc/default/grub to comment out the two *HIDDEN* lines
[09:29] <smb> set the other timeout to 10 and run "sudo update-grub"
[09:29] <apb1963> heh.  I've got the last 10 kernels.
[09:29] <apb1963> I wlil do that
[09:30] <apb1963> so... this one...#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[09:31] <smb> right and there is another one
[09:31] <smb> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[09:31] <smb> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[09:31] <smb> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[09:31] <apb1963> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[09:31] <apb1963> so that was already uncommented
[09:32] <smb> apb1963, They have to be like I posted above
[09:32] <smb> Both HIDDEN commented out and the GRUB_TIMEOUT set to whatever wait time you want
[09:34] <smb> If hidden timeout is true, the hidden timeout value is used (which is 0 by default), which gives you no delay and you have to press shift exactly at the right time between BIOS screen after keyboard is active and before grub starts.
[09:35] <smb> Not really much time
[09:35] <apb1963> go it
[09:36] <apb1963> got it
[09:37] <apb1963> Yeah, I've been experiencing all kinds of weird stuff
[09:37] <apb1963> My network takes like 2 minutes to come up
[09:38] <apb1963> the network manager can't even see my network - not that I use network manager but still
[09:38] <apb1963> I have an approximate 7 second delay on SIP calls.  Nobody has a clue what that's all about.
[09:39] <apb1963> Stuff crashes randomly
[09:39] <apb1963> Various applications
[09:39] <apb1963> I get loads over 7 for no apparent reason
[09:39] <apb1963> Normal operation is like less than .5
[09:40] <apb1963> I've been reporting bugs left & right in various apps.
[09:40] <apb1963> I'm frustrated :/
[09:40] <apb1963> well, at least my machine stopped freezing up for now.
[09:41] <apw> you should try running development where that kind of experience is the norm
[09:43] <apb1963> Yeah well...... this is my "production" machine.  And I only have the one.
[09:45] <apb1963> This machine was supposed to an asterisk server.... then my only other machine died of hardware failure... and I was forced to install a desktop on this one...
[09:45] <apb1963> So I'm waiting for a hand-me-down from my brother for 3 weeks now, and I don't konw if he's ever going to send it.
[09:46] <apb1963> In the meantime, I'm trying to get by on just this one machine running everything...
[09:47] <apb1963> Don't ever be poor if you can avoid it.
[09:49] <apb1963> I can't decide if I should start some of the stuff I had running earlier to see if it triggers the freeze
[09:49] <apb1963> About 35 chrome windows, libreoffice with a half dozen or so files open, skype, Kontact, firefox....
[09:50] <smb> Well doing one at a time and wait some time in between at least would give some hints
[09:50] <apb1963> yeah
[09:50] <apb1963> I have a strong suspicion it was sflphone
[09:51] <apb1963> how an app could cause a kernel freeze though.... I don't know.
[09:51] <smb> Is it really a kernel freeze? Sometimes X locking up hard just looks the same
[09:51] <apb1963> I was afraid it might be bad RAM... is there a way to test RAM while the machine is booted?
[09:51] <apb1963> I couldn't switch to a VT
[09:52] <apb1963> When X locks up I can generally switch to a VT
[09:52] <smb> I had those too in the past. if X takes all the keypresses and ignores them. Hard to say then
[09:53] <apb1963> I mean my system gets a  high load and brings it to a crawl... but eventually I can get a terminal and run top... shows me a rediculous load I start killing a few chrome windows and it bounces back.
[09:53] <apb1963> I think flash is causing the load
[09:53] <apb1963> but this was different
[09:53] <smb> Only chance would be a second computer on the network and trying to ping or ssh... If you get top running, I think 'c' sorts by cpu usage, so you would see which process is doing that
[09:54] <apb1963> Oh and the very first time this happend I got some kernel messages
[09:54] <apb1963> yeah
[09:54] <apb1963> I got like a "cut here" message
[09:54] <apb1963> I couldn't find it in the log
[09:54] <apb1963> but it was a definite kernel crash
[09:54] <apw> photos are you main plan when that happens in case it isn't in the log
[09:54] <apb1963> after the crash it just kept freezing
[09:55] <apb1963> photos?
[09:55] <apw> if you can see it, so can your camera
[09:55] <apb1963> oh.  yeah well...  let me use the "poor" key word again
[09:55] <apb1963> sucks to be me
[09:56] <apb1963> oh well :)
[09:56] <smb> Pen and paper? Yeah it is tedious. ;)
[09:56] <apb1963> well...  I just assumed it would be in the log
[09:56] <apb1963> so I didn't even consider that
[09:57] <smb> Yeah, problem with crashes is that the kernel grinds to a halt. So is the part that writes to disk.
[09:58] <apb1963> I don't know why, but I figured if it had time to write to the screen it had time to write to disk.  What can I say, I wasn't thinking.
[09:59] <apb1963> ok i'll startup skype
[09:59] <apb1963> hmmm... might have already been running.... came up too fast
[09:59] <apb1963> and now we call libreoffice to the stand....
[10:01] <smb> apb1963, If you can afford the time it would be good to wait about those 30m it took to freeze between additional applications
[10:02] <smb> ok skype was running for that I suppose
[10:03] <apb1963> well, I can afford the time - but only because it's 2am and I need sleep
[10:04] <apb1963> so if it crashes or freezes, so be it.
[10:04] <apb1963> But lets say it does... then what do I do?
[10:09] <smb> If you see crash messages on the screen, write them down. Then probably repeat with just the last app started
[10:10] <smb> if you find a suspect, you could slowly go back to older kernel versions to see whether they are the same
[10:12] <smb> If it looks to be the kernel start filing a bug by running "ubuntu-bug linux" from that machine.
[10:14] <smb> If it keeps crashing even with older kernels and you find its a certain application started, you probably have to make the bug report manually. Hm, well try to replace linux with the appname. Not sure this works though
[10:15] <apb1963> hmm
[10:17] <apb1963> there's also the further complication that I'm using 6 different virtual desktops
[10:18] <apb1963> so who knows if that's interacting
[10:18] <apb1963> earlier I was sorting my apps into VD's... this last time I didn't bother.
[10:18] <apb1963> Would be nice if apps returned to their assigned VD's, but that's another story.
[10:20] <smb> I could not guarantee that but which VD an app is should not matter for crashing. And no, we cannot help you with that placement problem here. ;)
[10:20] <apb1963> k
[10:20] <apb1963> KDE thing I guess
[10:22] <apb1963> well, thank you for the  help!  I'm gonna hit the hay before my head hits the keyboard :)
[10:22] <apb1963> 'night
[10:23] <smb> That may help a lot. Good night. :)
[13:46] <rtg> henrix, hmm, v3.12.3 broke e1000e. have you heard anything about that ? I'll check that it really works on 3.12.2 first
[13:55] <henrix> rtg: no, i haven't found any e1000e patch but usually network patches aren't tagged for stable
[13:55] <henrix> rtg: davem queues them and sends them in a batch
[13:55] <henrix> rtg: let me check his queue...
[13:57] <henrix> rtg: a quick look here http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/bundle/davem/stable/?state=* doesn't show anything
[13:58] <henrix> and there's nothing obvious on 3.12.3 that would break this driver
[13:58] <bjf> rtg, how does the issue manifest itself? does it just not recognize the nic or does it spew chunks?
[14:01] <rtg> bjf, henrix: actually, this looks like AA denying dhclient. 3.12 kernel in a precise user space
[14:02] <rtg> I'll try booting with it disabled.
[14:06] <rtg> that was it.
[14:07] <rtg> jjohansen1, can you think of a reason that a 3.12 kernel wouldn't work with a precise apparmor ? its blocking dhclient.
[14:09] <smb> Its a bit weird my VM guest was ok with dhcp and a ... oh 3.11 kernel ...
[14:10] <rtg> smb, try a mailine 3.12.3
[14:10] <rtg> mainline
[14:11] <apw> that sounds familiar, it blocking dhclient i mean
[14:11] <smb> rtg, Yeah maybe later. Right now I use that for fiddling with some lts-s dkms
[14:11] <apw> wasn't that the error we had on the phones when part of apparmor3 was missing ?
[14:11] <rtg> apw, maybe
[14:11] <apw> or if userspace was out of sync with kernel, something like that
[14:12] <apw> smb, test the 3.13 kernel if that works we can hide from it perhaps
[14:12] <rtg> apw,  a newer kernel should always work on an older user space
[14:13] <smb> apw, can do in a bit. but I suspect I might be too late then
[14:17] <apw> rtg, oh of course it should, i mean when the aa3 bits went in there was an order that was bad, i think kernel had to hit before userspace
[14:17] <apw> so we could have lost something in the kernel and break outselves with newer userspace
[14:17] <rtg> apw, that shouldn't be the case for precise, right ?
[14:18] <apw> oohhhh, this is lts-backport, erm, it just might, as in the new kernel is enforcing something which was specified but broken in older kernels
[14:19] <apw> so lets think... i thnk we had to have updated user profiles _first_ then the new kernel bits for aa3, which might explain this
[14:19] <rtg> apw, well, its not rally the LTS, its just the trusty kernel (though it shouldn't make a difference)
[14:19] <apw> but ... we need jjohansen1 rather than my rather unreliable memeory
[14:19] <apw> right, this is the kernel with aa3 on precise ie old profiles, that might be an issue
[14:20] <apw> we might have to update the profiles, which will work same on older kernels.  but jj would be the one to confirm for sure
[14:20] <rtg> apw, so I'm running a 3.13 kernel on a precise server
[14:20] <apw> and it works or does not work
[14:21] <rtg> works fine
[14:21] <apw> using dhcp or static network config
[14:21] <apw> i think it was dbus mediation which was the issue
[14:22] <rtg> apw, uses dhcp. lemme go get the bit of log where AA was denying the socket request.
[14:22] <apw> ie nothing wrong with networking, just unable to request networking
[14:22] <apw> something odd like that, so ehternet might work, and wireless not or ... something
[14:23] <rtg> Dec  5 23:58:24 gbyte kernel: [  644.311454] type=1400 audit(1386251904.862:93): apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" parent=2101 profile="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action" name="/run/dbus/system_bus_socket" pid=2103 comm="nm-dhcp-client." requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[14:23] <rtg> De
[14:23] <rtg> apw, yep, the network driver seems fine
[14:24] <apw> yeah that'd be my memory of the issue, that the dbus bits get mediated and prevented
[14:25] <apw> because the profiles specifity it wrongly, but the older kernles don't implement it either
[14:25] <rtg> apw, yeah, its also denying cupsd
[14:25] <apw> so it all works, and then we fix the kernel and it applies them and crunch
[14:25] <apw> so i think we will need a profile update for precise before this can work, but as i say
[14:25] <apw> jjohansen1, is the man to confirm my madness
[14:25] <apw> or we might decide to switch that bit off for the backport only
[14:29] <rtg> apw, just pushed Ubuntu-3.12.0-6.14 which we should smoke test just to be ure
[14:29] <apw> ack
[14:31] <apw> rtg, i take it you didn't tag it
[14:31] <apw> (as yet)
[14:31] <rtg> nope, not until I'm done making changes
[14:31] <rtg> I generally tag things just before uploading
[14:34] <apw> makes sense, jsut confriming i'd not gotten an old one
[14:40] <apw> rtg, i've just responded to your linux-tools thing, i don't think its quite there ...
[14:40] <rtg> apw, good, I wondered if I missed anything. I had a splitting headache whilst I was doing that
[16:37] <apw> rtg, you know, i wonder if we should be offering them the linux-tools-version[-flavour] and also offering them something based on the linux-image- meta package they have installed perhaps
[16:38] <rtg> apw, well, the meta package naming isn't totally consistent. I think this at least will give folks an idea that they might have to hunt down the _right_ meta package.
[16:40] <apw> yeah, i think we should get the -flavour bit right, shall i have a poke and see if i can improve
[16:40] <rtg> apw, have at it. Frankly, my attitude is that if someone is installing tools, then they likely know what they are doing (given a little nudging)
[16:52] <apw> rtg, it would be nice to not need that to have versions in there, i wonder if we could fix that somehow
[16:52] <rtg> apw, do you mean you wish perf was not ABI specific ?
[16:54] <apw> rtg, hey i also wish that.  i meant i wish i could incant at like dpkg to get the list of versions and packages
[16:54] <apw> so it would work on all releases for ever
[16:55] <rtg> apw, well, we've only got to worry about one more LTS kernel for 12.04
[16:55] <rtg> and we can probably predict the meta package name
[16:59] <apw> yeah
[18:39]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:52] <hallyn> apw: could you kick off a new build of the trusty -unstable kernel in ppa?
[19:06] <jjohansen1> apw, rtg: nothing new in 3.12 over 3.11 that I am aware of, however the aa3 bits in both of those do require some policy updates or dhclient etc will break
[19:06] <rtg> jjohansen1, which is exactly what is happening
[19:07] <jjohansen1> yep
[19:07] <jjohansen1> sorry just working through the backscroll
[20:29] <bjf> cking, i see this every once and a while in testing: "Timed out after 30 seconds doing mkdir() - possible eCryptfs hang" but if i just retry the test it doesn't happen again. do you want to see these?
[20:31] <tyhicks> bjf: looking at the test, that may be caused by a race condition which would explain why you don't always see it
[20:32] <bjf> tyhicks, do you want to look at the system when it gets into that state?
[20:32] <tyhicks> bjf: yeah, that would be helpful
[20:33] <bjf> tyhicks, ok, next time it happens and your around i'll let you know. do you have your QA lab vpn creds?
[20:33] <tyhicks> bjf: I think so, but it has been a while so I'm not 100% sure
[20:33] <bjf> tyhicks, ack
[20:33] <tyhicks> bjf: yep, I see it in my network manager menus
[20:34] <tyhicks> and it connects, so I should be ready when it happens again
[20:35] <tyhicks> bjf: what kernel version is this happening on? do you know what lower filesystem ecryptfs is mounted on when it happens?
[21:15]  * rtg -> EOD


[05:04] <inetpro> good morning
[05:17] <Private_User> morning inetpro
[05:52] <Private_User> hey anybody know what you call an application or software where you can connect to many messaging services/servers i.e. IRC, Google Talk, Twitter, Facebook chat, etc?
[06:04]  * Squirm looks around
[06:05] <Private_User> sup Squirm
[06:06] <Kilos> morning Squirm superfly and others
[06:09] <magespawn> good morning
[06:10] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:11] <Squirm> so I bought my S3 from an online store called GMart. They offered a 12 month warranty. My phone died, so I sent it back. Now the tell me they need to replace the motherboard because of water damage
[06:11] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:11] <magespawn> hi Squirm
[06:11] <Squirm> I know for a fact that there was no liquid anywhere near that phone at the time
[06:12] <Squirm> or any time actually
[06:12] <Squirm> hey magespawn
[06:12] <magespawn> ahh well then you  have to wonder
[06:12] <Squirm> "There is liquid damage on the phone, the Whole motherboard need to be replace, It will cost R0200 ex. Delivery fee "
[06:13] <Squirm> so I just sent off an email saying that I don't believe them but I would like to accept their quotation of R200.00
[06:13] <magespawn> how long have you had the phone?
[06:13] <Squirm> it was about 6 months
[06:13] <Kilos> ouch
[06:14] <Squirm> I'm thoroughly annoyed
[06:14] <Squirm> I can believe you may need to replace the board, but come on, not because of liquid damage
[06:14] <Kilos> that your new fancy fone Squirm
[06:15] <Squirm> indeed it is Kilos
[06:15] <Kilos> eish
[06:15] <Kilos> dont play on fone in hot bath or shower
[06:15] <Kilos> hehe
[06:15] <Kilos> joking
[06:15] <Squirm> hmm, we had Friday and Monday off, but my boss and colleague aren't here yet. I'm so tempted to just go home :P
[06:15] <Squirm> Kilos: yeah, it's not really funny
[06:16] <Squirm> my car is also in for repairs
[06:16] <Kilos> eish
[06:16] <Squirm> so the phone, because of the typo, is probably going to cost R2k, I got a quote for my car at R2.5k yesterday
[06:17] <Kilos> eina
[06:18]  * Squirm opens a "Save the Squirm" fund
[06:18] <Squirm> donation link to follow
[06:18] <Kilos> hehe
[06:28] <nlsthzn> o7
[06:28] <Kilos> hi there nlsthzn
[06:28] <nlsthzn> how are you today uncle Kilos?
[06:29] <Kilos> good ty nlsthzn and you?
[06:29] <Kilos> im looking forward to tonights meeting
[06:30]  * nlsthzn will be in bed by then 10:30pm is to late when I have to get up at 5 again
[06:45] <nuvolari> Oh afriho<silence>, oh afriho<drops a pin>
[06:45] <nuvolari> :-/
[06:45] <nuvolari> really, Server Admin support takes > 4 hours to respond on escalated tickets
[06:45] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[06:45] <Kilos> reg vir vanaand?
[06:46] <nuvolari> nog nie oom
[07:22] <Kilos> hi HiMaX
[07:22] <Kilos> hehe
[07:22] <Kilos> lo HiMaX too
[07:23] <Kilos> Private_User1 yuou here from pidgin too now?
[07:24] <HiMaX> Kilos- why make fun my handle
[07:24] <Kilos> well its funny to say hi to a nick that starts with hi
[07:25] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:26] <HiMaX> - hi so is high
[07:28] <Private_User1> yes Kilos here from Pidgin. Gonna have to take some getting used to
[07:28] <Kilos> you on windows or ubuntu?
[07:28] <Private_User1> I have added so many IM accounts they are all confusing me cause for some accounts I have the same contacts now there are duplicate names
[07:29] <Private_User1> this is the win machine the ubuntu machine still in pieces
[07:29] <Kilos> lol thats why i use xchat for irc
[07:29] <Kilos> or use mirc
[07:29] <HiMaX> Private_User1- use in mirc
[07:30] <Private_User1> yeah on the ubuntu thats what I use for now I doing this temporarily until I can put the machine back together again
[07:30] <Kilos> i think they charge though dont they?
[07:30] <Private_User1> HiMaX: mirc is not free or open source. I am trying to only use free and open source
[07:30] <Kilos> i dunno how you peeps can use windows with everything minimised. i get lost
[07:31] <HiMaX> Private_User1- i see now
[07:31] <Kilos> there was an xchat for windows
[07:31] <Kilos> Maaz google free xchat for windows
[07:31] <Maaz> Kilos: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://xchat.org/ :: "XChat for Windows" http://xchat.org/windows/ :: "Download - X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/download/ :: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.info/ :: "HexChat: Home" http://hexchat.github.io/ :: "XChat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat ::
[07:31] <Maaz> "X-Chat | Free Communications software downloads at SourceForge ..." http://sourceforge.net/p…
[07:32] <Private_User1> used that 1st remember Kilos then it said trial ended
[07:32] <HiMaX> Kilos- no is good is got menu popup choose program to maximise
[07:32] <Kilos> Private_User1 look at them links. if xchat aint free anymore go hexchat
[07:33] <Kilos> did you try the silverex one Private_User1
[07:33] <HiMaX> Icechat good too , many features
[07:39] <Kilos> HiMaX how did you find us here?
[07:40] <Kilos> or isnt this your first time
[07:42] <HiMaX> - not really why ask
[07:43] <Kilos> i try remember everyone that visits
[07:43] <Kilos> so i dont welcome them again the next time
[07:43] <Kilos> hehe
[07:44] <HiMaX> - i see no im not here next time
[07:44] <Kilos> and i try convince the windows users to change to ubuntu
[07:45] <Kilos> and we try help peeps with linux problems
[07:48] <Private_User> ok see you now now gonna log off here
[07:48] <HiMaX> - was that not perpose of room ?
[07:49] <Kilos> yip to help peeps
[07:53] <HiMaX> - windows got lots games make ports in linux why not ?
[07:53] <Kilos> steam is busy building up games database i think
[07:54] <Kilos> linux has left gaming for last
[07:56] <Kilos> or you can play them in wine and playonlinux
[07:57] <HiMaX> - playonlinux resource intensive . The convert to .deb better it is
[07:58] <Kilos> i use my windows machine to play games
[07:58] <Kilos> play freecell and mahjong on ubuntu
[08:01] <HiMaX> - those is bored of games
[08:01] <Kilos> yeah
[08:01] <HiMaX> - tell linux get 3d world right please
[08:03] <Kilos> what distro are you using?
[08:04] <HiMaX> - 13.10
[08:05] <Kilos> and your 3d isnt good?
[08:06] <HiMaX> - is good no games for 3d 13.10  all in windows
[08:06] <Kilos> oh ya
[08:07] <Kilos> look at steam
[08:07] <Kilos> Maaz google steam for ubuntu
[08:07] <Maaz> Kilos: "Valve - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve :: "Steam, The Ultimate Online Game Platform" http://store.steampowered.com/about/ :: "Featured Linux Games - Steam" http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/ :: "News - Steam for Linux Now Available" http://store.steampowered.com/news/9943/ :: "How to install the Steam gaming client on Ubuntu (Gallery) |
[08:07] <Maaz> ZDNet" http://www.zdnet.com/how-to-install-the-steam-gaming-client-on-ubuntu-gallery-70…
[08:08] <HiMaX> - ok
[08:14] <nlsthzn> Steam ftw
[08:16] <superfly> yes
[08:16] <superfly> steam FTW
[08:18] <HiMaX> - python 3d also games in steam
[08:18] <nlsthzn> can now even stream non linux steam games via In-House Streaming... even non steam native games :)
[08:19] <HiMaX> nlsthzn- what you talk of In-House Streaming ?
[08:19] <nlsthzn> google steam in-house streaming
[08:20] <nlsthzn> easier to read than for me to type it all out :p
[08:20] <HiMaX> nlsthzn- do google own steam too
[08:21] <nlsthzn> no, use google and search for steam in-house streaming >.<
[08:22] <HiMaX> nlsthzn- now i see thanks
[08:23] <nlsthzn> it is very cool
[08:24] <nlsthzn> but it does need to PC's
[08:24] <nlsthzn> *two
[08:34] <magespawn> just found a working 30GB iPod
[08:38] <Kilos> thats lekker magespawn
[08:38] <Kilos> you just finding lotsa stuff
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello peoples
[08:38] <Kilos> scratching in storerooms?
[08:38] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:38] <magespawn> yup and yup Kilos
[08:38] <Kilos> haha
[08:39] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy nlsthzn superfly
[08:39] <nlsthzn> alo
[08:39] <Kilos> hi Professional
[08:39] <Professional> hi guys
[08:40] <Professional> anyone testing out Ubuntu Mobile OS?
[08:40] <Kilos> cocooncrash thanks for fixing maaz
[08:40] <HiMaX> nlsthzn- steam In-House Streaming i not liking
[08:42] <nlsthzn> it is pretty awesome how well it works but it has niche uses
[08:43] <nlsthzn> like playing almost any game on the coach in front of the TV, or even on the TV
[08:43] <nlsthzn> if they can remove the need for the host PC to continuously show the running game and it can be used for other applications it would be awesome
[08:44] <HiMaX> nlsthzn- maybe true
[08:49] <HiMaX> - why give wrong date in ubuntu-za twitter is Tuesday, 26 February at 20:30 ?
[08:50] <Kilos> who gave the wrong date there
[08:50] <Kilos> lol
[08:50] <Kilos> its supposed to be the 25th
[08:51] <HiMaX> :)
[08:51] <Kilos> must be the old man
[08:51] <Kilos> forgive him he struggles a bit
[08:52] <HiMaX> - understand life fast one make mistakes
[08:56] <Kilos> oh so do you follow @ubuntuza on twitter too?
[08:57] <HiMaX> - sometimes just views it
[09:02] <Kilos> ah we only do notifications of meeting and stuff related to this channel there
[09:04] <Kilos> wb bduk
[09:09] <Kilos> HiMaX where are you?
[09:13] <HiMaX> - busy work and you
[09:13] <Kilos> im at home
[09:14] <Kilos> where in the world i meant
[09:14] <Kilos> hehe
[09:14] <Kilos> im outside pretoria
[09:17] <HiMaX> - portugal western cape now
[09:18] <Kilos> aha
[09:26] <Kilos> nlsthzn we getting peeps from all over hey?
[09:35] <Private_User> man I really need to remember that the X means close unlike some apps it means minimize to task bar but this case it means close...LOL
[09:36] <Vince-0> !
[09:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[09:39] <Kilos> lol
[09:44] <Private_User> brb
[09:57] <nlsthzn> it is awesome uncle Kilos
[10:31] <Vince-0> Haai
[10:40] <Private_User> have you guys seen this link, picked it up from one of the other ubuntu channels or was it their offtopic channels can't remember now has anybody tried this?
[10:40] <Private_User> https://whispersystems.org/
[11:19] <jabberwocky93> hi Kilos!
[11:49] <charl_> good afternoon
[11:49] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:49]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:50] <charl_> ah i see cocooncrash repaired him
[11:53] <Kilos> hi charl_ yeah we lucky
[11:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:53] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[11:53] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[11:54] <Kilos> oh my
[11:54] <Kilos> hi jabberwocky93 long time no see
[11:55] <Kilos> charl_ you use  Ubuntu Mobile OS?
[11:55] <Kilos> new visitor wants to know
[11:56] <jabberwocky93> yeah, good to be back in #ubuntu-za :-)
[12:00] <Kilos> meeting tonight at 20.30
[12:00] <jabberwocky93> o_o
[12:00]  * jabberwocky93 didn't check the topic
[12:01] <Kilos> we have changed to last tuesday of the month
[12:01] <Kilos> too many peeps had other things happening on mondays
[12:02] <jabberwocky93> murphy you son of a ...
[12:02] <Kilos> haha
[12:02] <jabberwocky93> the only day in the week
[12:02] <Kilos> oh no
[12:03] <Kilos> what do you do tuesdays?
[12:03] <Spekko> rofl
[12:03] <jabberwocky93> studies 19:00 to 21:30
[12:03] <jabberwocky93> *group studies
[12:03] <Kilos> for how long still?
[12:04] <jabberwocky93> indefenitly, started middle of last year so it's been going on a while now.
[12:05] <Kilos> well record it for that one night in the month then study on your own
[12:09] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[12:10] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[12:16] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[12:16] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[12:16] <charl_> Kilos: afaik it isn't "production ready" yet but it looks very promising
[12:17] <Kilos> hi gwood
[12:17] <charl_> Kilos: when it becomes production ready i might consider it, depending on the price of the hardware, but i'm not a big mobile phone user
[12:17] <Kilos> ah
[12:18] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[12:19] <Kilos> look at all the peeps here and meeting still hours away
[12:20] <charl_> hi magespawn
[12:20] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edge
[12:20] <charl_> The Ubuntu Edge was a proposed "high concept" smartphone announced by Canonical Ltd. on 22 July 2013. Canonical was seeking to crowdfund a production run of around 40,000 units through Indiegogo. It had the highest target of any crowdfunded project to date, $32,000,000 over a one-month campaign. The Edge was not intended to go into mass production after the initial run, but rather to serve as a demonstration for new technologies for
[12:20] <charl_> The Edge was designed as a hybrid device, which would function as a high-end smartphone (with both Ubuntu Touch and Android), or—when used with a monitor, keyboard and mouse—be able to operate as a conventional desktop PC running Ubuntu.[2] The Ubuntu Edge was also designed to support dual boot, and was to run along with Android.[3]
[12:21] <Golynx> hi charl_
[12:21] <charl_> that is where they went wrong
[12:21] <charl_> hi Golynx
[12:21] <charl_> you can read the rest of the page but it basically comes down to canonical wanting to do total overkill instead of aiming to provide a good usable phone
[12:21] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[12:21] <charl_> and for a reasonable price
[12:22] <Golynx> hi gwood
[12:22] <charl_> imho if they aimed a little lower and tried to create just a plain old good mobile telephone they would have made a killing
[12:22] <gwood> hi everyone
[12:22] <Kilos> Professional ^^
[12:22] <charl_> because just the ability to raise 12 mil is really amazing imho
[12:23] <charl_> hi gwood
[12:23] <Golynx> i agree charl_
[12:24] <charl_> look at how many huawei ideos they sold in kenya... if they made an all-round good phone with low cost it could be huge
[12:24] <Golynx> i will maybe just make an html5 app for it, hav'nt tried Qt yet
[12:26] <charl_> Golynx: what are you looking to do exactly? sorry i think i missed half of the conversation ...
[12:26] <Golynx> focusing at the mid to low end should be ubuntu phones playground
[12:26] <charl_> yeah and then you can move up to produce some high end phones too eventually
[12:26] <charl_> because there is a high end market, in particular a business market
[12:27] <charl_> a lot of people have company phones
 anyone testing out Ubuntu Mobile OS?
[12:27] <charl_> eh on which device ???
[12:28] <magespawn> hi there guys
[12:29] <magespawn> gotta go out for a bit, chat later
[12:30] <Professional> I saw the new tech partners that were announced and they make decent hardware http://en.meizu.com/
[12:31] <Professional> the processing power on the device is more than capable of running the
[12:32] <Golynx> hi Professional
[12:32] <Professional> Hi
[12:33] <Kilos> hmm... storm coming here fast
[12:34] <charl_> Professional: that's interesting, those meizu phones look nice
[12:35] <charl_> but once again it seems like canonical is aiming at the high-end market
[12:35] <charl_> imho that is a mistake
[12:35] <Kilos> they gotta make up for all the free stuff
[12:35] <Kilos> like millions of shipped cds
[12:36] <charl_> the high end market will end up in apple's hands mostly, if you go head-on with apple you better know what you are doing
[12:36] <charl_> the benefit is apple is pricing themselves out of the market to some extent, that's why i'm saying, aim for the below-apple market
[12:36] <charl_> whow he got k-lined?! what was he doing
[12:37] <Golynx> something not too opensource about that, just a little bit , and the word "Ubuntu" aswell
[12:37] <Trixar_za> Oo
[12:37] <Trixar_za> Oh hai guys
[12:38] <Golynx> hi Trixar_za
[12:38] <Professional> the smart phone market is a tricky place you can be here today gone tomorrow.
[12:38] <Trixar_za> Actually Ubuntu is pretty much the heart of the open source (and in some way the Anarchy) movements
[12:38] <Kilos> windows
[12:38] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[12:39] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[12:40] <charl_> Trixar_za: i would beg to differ... ubuntu and canonical have made themselves pretty controversial of late
[12:41] <Kilos> hi Spekko welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:41] <Kilos> or you just using another nick?
[12:42] <Spekko> Kilos nope, I'm new here :) ... and thanks
[12:42] <Golynx> hi Spekko
[12:43] <Kilos> cool Spekko if you need linux help just ask
[12:43] <charl_> hi Spekko :)
[12:44] <Golynx> but i guess ubuntu/canonical have to find ways to be profitable though. But its good for them if they can find a balance with that
[12:44] <Spekko> Thanks :D much appreciated, I'm still VERRY noob, so you must excuse me if I ask really retarded stuff. I'm a friend of jabberwocky93
[12:45] <Spekko>  And hello everyone :)
[12:46] <Kilos> np Spekko the guys will help where they can
[12:46] <Kilos> we were all noob at some time
[12:47] <Kilos> i can now at least turn my pc on by myself
[12:47] <Professional> lol
[12:47] <Spekko> rofl!
[12:47] <Golynx> lol
[12:47] <charl_> Spekko: that is no problem, please feel welcome, and ask away if you have any questions
[12:47] <charl_> Spekko: just remember to always google first :)
[12:48] <Kilos> i even had to be taught how to google
[12:50] <Spekko> yeah :/ .. jabberwocky keeps spamming me with lmgtfy links
[12:50] <Golynx> one still need to think hard while structuring your google query
[12:51] <Golynx> aspecially when it comes to programming
[12:51] <jabberwocky93> lmgtfy :-)
[12:51] <Kilos> yeah getting to know what to google for is an art
[12:52] <charl_> that is the problem yes
[12:52] <charl_> the point i was trying to make is that, if you type whatever you typed into irc into google and the first result is the answer, you don't have an excuse
[12:52] <Spekko> Companies should have positions open for people who specialise in writing Google Queries.
[12:52] <Kilos> spekko you can pm maaz and practise googling with him
[12:52] <Kilos> as in
[12:53] <Kilos> Maaz google lost
[12:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Watch Lost | ABC TV Show - ABC.com" http://abc.go.com/shows/lost :: "Lost (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(TV_series) :: "Lost (TV Series 2004–2010) - IMDb" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/ :: "Lost - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia - Wikia" http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lost :: "Lostpedia - The
[12:53] <Maaz> Lost Encyclopedia" https://lostpedia.wikia.com/ :: "'Lost' Finale Explained: Answering the…
[12:53] <Spekko> Maaz google Bottie
[12:53] <Maaz> Spekko: "Urban Dictionary: bottie" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bottie :: "Urban Dictionary: Hottie Bottie" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hottie%20Bottie :: "Urban Dictionary: Bottie cough" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bottie%20cough :: "Bottie - definition of Bottie by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ..."
[12:53] <Maaz> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bottie :: "Yana and Britt bottie got swag - YouTube" ht…
[12:53] <Spekko> Cool Bot :)
[12:53] <Spekko> Will do taht in PM, sorry for spamming in chat
[12:54] <Kilos> np noobs are forgiven
[12:54] <Spekko> :D/-<
[12:55] <Kilos> whew thyats a heavy smiley
[12:55] <Kilos> thats
[12:56] <Golynx> charl_ yes many things people ask in irc channels are actually fit for google. It will give them way faster results than having to wait long for an experts reply
[12:57] <Kilos> i go pump water before power goes
[12:57] <Golynx> Spekko is that gangnam style lol
[12:59] <charl_> Golynx: yes that and it lightens the load on the experts :)
[13:00] <Spekko> Well, it was just a bro dancing, but potato tomato
[13:02] <Trixar_za> Well, it lightens the load on the experts that haven't been jaded by the lazy
[13:04] <Golynx> charl_ exactly.
[13:09] <charl_> ok gotta finish some work off
[13:09] <charl_> see you all tonight
[13:58] <kstan_> meeting done?
[13:59] <Kilos> hi kstan_
[13:59] <Kilos> tonight at 20.30
[13:59] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntui-za
[13:59] <kstan_> hi. first time here
[13:59] <Kilos> welcome
[14:00] <kstan_> from malaysia saw today have a irc meeting so come to see. am I come to wrong channel?
[14:00] <Kilos> nope we have one tonight
[14:00] <Kilos> are you an ubuntu user?
[14:01] <Kilos> or planning to become one
[14:01] <kstan_> yes.
[14:01] <Kilos> cool
[14:01] <kstan_> im use it for many years.
[14:02] <kstan_> but now use it lesser in desktop level. due to job required mac osx
[14:03] <kstan_> but server still using ubuntu
[14:03] <Kilos> yeah that happens everywhere
[14:04] <kstan_> just curious in your country is it ubuntu is primary os?
[14:04] <Kilos> with some of us yes, but most have to use windows at work
[14:06] <kstan_> ic. seems microsoft marketing really good in everywhere.
[14:06] <Kilos> yeah
[14:10] <kstan> use yes
[14:10] <kstan> yes
[14:11] <Kilos> yes
[14:11] <Kilos> hehe
[14:13] <kstan> i'm recommend one software from china, i think very cool for u o
[14:13] <kstan> it can't run in mac, but windows and ubuntu ok
[14:13] <Kilos> what is it for?
[14:13] <kstan> http://wps-community.org/
[14:14] <kstan> office application, it is commercial but free for linux user at this moment.
[14:14] <Kilos> we have libreoffice as default
[14:15] <kstan> i'm waiting 14.04, then will dual boot it in my macbook. then will try this.
[14:15] <Kilos> but im sure some guys will go look at it
[14:15] <kstan> to be honest, libreoffice is very not stable under heavy duty environment
[14:15] <kstan> my whole company using ubuntu and Mac
[14:16] <kstan> so far the only challenge we face now is office application not hit enterprise requirement
[14:16] <kstan> else ubuntu team good job.
[14:17] <kstan> WPS seems close the gaps.
[14:20] <kstan> ?
[14:20] <Kilos> im not an office user so dont know
[14:21] <kstan> well, it crash, memory leak, hang
[14:21] <kstan> function limited is something acceptable, but when it slow down computer then trouble.
[14:27] <Kilos> oh my
[14:46] <Kilos> wbb
[14:50] <Kilos-> hmm... where are the clever peeps. private-user has been banned and he doesnt know why
[14:51] <Golynx> hmm thats strange
[14:51] <Kilos-> yeah he just mailed me and asked for help
[14:51] <Golynx> maybe the ip his using thats banned
[14:52] <Kilos-> but why
[14:52] <Kilos-> we were chatting
[14:53] <Golynx> if he can get into freenode , he can visit #freenode to get help
[14:53] <Kilos-> he cant get on at all
[14:53] <Golynx> Then its his ip probably
[14:53] <Kilos-> This Private_User, I have been trying to log onto irc.freenode.net but I get the following message "Disconnected. ERROR :Closing Link: <IP_ADDRESS> (*** Banned )"
[14:54] <Golynx> he should try connecting other ip's
[14:54] <Golynx> tell him not to use  irc.freenode.net
[14:55] <Golynx> rather chat.freenode.net  or roddenberry.freenode.net
[14:55] <Kilos-> i just mailed him to try chat.freenode.net
[14:55] <Kilos-> also told him to try another nick
[14:56] <Kilos-> further back charl made a comment about him being klined
[14:57] <Golynx> oh , ya freenode staff still fixing things after the DDOS
[14:57] <Golynx> so maybe thats why
[14:58] <Kilos-> maybe i can ask them to unbann him
[14:58] <Golynx> you could try
[15:03] <Kilos-> whew
 Kilos-: he'll need to stop the cryptocoin client he's running
 Kilos-: and ask whoever develops it not to use us for bootstrapping
[15:04] <Golynx> lol
[15:04] <Golynx> well that explains it
[15:07] <Kilos-> i dunno what all that means but i hope he understands
[15:12] <Kilos-> what is bootstrapping
[15:15] <Golynx> Maaz google bootstrapping
[15:15] <Maaz> Golynx: "Bootstrapping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping :: "Bootstrapping (statistics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_(statistics) :: "Bootstrap Definition | Investopedia" http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bootstrap.asp :: "Bootstrapping | Inc.com"
[15:15] <Maaz> http://www.inc.com/bootstrapping :: "Bootstrap: A Statistical Method" http://www.stat.rutgers.edu/~mxie/rcpape…
[15:17] <Golynx> freenode dont like the automatic process part of it
[15:17] <Kilos-> hi Akiva-Mobile
[15:17] <Akiva-Mobile> Hiya
[15:17] <Akiva-Mobile> need help.
[15:17] <Golynx> hi Akiva-Mobile
[15:17] <Kilos-> tell us what the prob is
[15:18] <Akiva-Mobile> Problem: Old man has old program for his old electric accupuncture machine
[15:18] <Akiva-Mobile> old program... requires the devil
[15:18] <Akiva-Mobile> aka
[15:18] <Akiva-Mobile> activex
[15:18] <Akiva-Mobile> i tried playonlinux, but im not having much luck.
[15:19] <Kilos-> tell me more about the machine
[15:19] <Akiva-Mobile> Program is not rendering properly, or it is hardblocking.
[15:19] <Akiva-Mobile> the machine... hmmm
[15:19] <Kilos-> does it run from the pc?
[15:20] <Akiva-Mobile> no
[15:20] <Akiva-Mobile> it takes manual input
[15:20] <Akiva-Mobile> the program is probably just algorythm based.
[15:21] <Akiva-Mobile> akudiast 1
[15:21] <Golynx> ai
[15:22] <Kilos-> whew
[15:23] <Kilos-> Akiva-Mobile do you need to run it connected to a pc all the time or just to set it up
[15:25] <nuvolari> I'm out
[15:25] <nuvolari> see you at the meeting
[15:25] <Kilos-> ok nuvolari
[15:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: welcome
[15:25] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[15:25] <nuvolari> lol
[15:25] <nuvolari> oh dear
[15:26] <Kilos-> lol
[15:26] <nuvolari> not yet
[15:26] <Kilos-> gaan huis toe man
[15:26] <Akiva-Mobile> really I am just looking for the best implimentation or emulation of internet explorer on linux as possible.
[15:26] <Akiva-Mobile> i don't care what version
[15:26] <Akiva-Mobile> its already installed
[15:26] <Akiva-Mobile> its some stupid browser application
[15:26] <Akiva-Mobile> think of it as a htm based calculator
[15:26] <Akiva-Mobile> that requires freaking active x
[15:27] <Kilos-> have you tried wine
[15:27] <Kilos-> or even another browser like firefox
[15:28] <Akiva-Mobile> firefox doesnt have active x
[15:28] <Akiva-Mobile> so it refuses to run
[15:28] <Akiva-Mobile> like, its programmed not to run if it doesnt have active x
[15:29] <Kilos-> have you tried running it in wine
[15:29] <Akiva-Mobile> not direct wine, only playonlinux
[15:29] <Kilos-> you can install directx stuff there
[15:29] <Akiva-Mobile> 5, 5.5, 6, and 7
[15:29] <Akiva-Mobile> i can't get it to work on any without crashes.
[15:29] <Kilos-> how often are you gonna need it?
[15:29] <Akiva-Mobile> i have not played around with wine settings
[15:30] <Akiva-Mobile> its gonna be his business
[15:30] <Akiva-Mobile> old man massage incoroperated.
[15:30] <Kilos-> from ubuntu
[15:30] <Akiva-Mobile> yah, he needs it every time he does accupuncture.
[15:30] <Akiva-Mobile> so often
[15:30] <Akiva-Mobile> daily lets say
[15:30] <Kilos-> whew
[15:31] <Kilos-> might even be easier to run a windows pc then
[15:31] <Akiva-Mobile> ;_;
[15:31] <Akiva-Mobile> actually I guess a vm might work
[15:31] <Kilos-> yeah sad i know
[15:31] <Akiva-Mobile> all things considered, thats prob the best way to go forward.
[15:31] <Kilos-> oh ya and try it in virtualbox
[15:32] <Akiva-Mobile> yah
[15:32] <Akiva-Mobile> should be easy enough for him to learn.
[15:32] <Kilos-> otherwise windows with antivirus and firewalls
[15:33] <Kilos-> sad
[15:33] <Kilos-> contact the program owners and ask for a linux version
[15:34] <Akiva-Mobile> i think it was created by a greasy cheque guy in like 2003 or something.
[15:35] <Akiva-Mobile> czech*
[15:35] <Akiva-Mobile> ~cheque
[15:36] <Akiva-Mobile> anyways im about to collapse, so tired
[15:36] <Akiva-Mobile> night
[15:36] <Kilos-> hi Kirill_Rus
[15:36] <Kilos-> night Akiva-Mobile sorry we didnt help you
[15:36] <Akiva-Mobile> nah, you did
[15:37] <Akiva-Mobile> virtual machine
[15:37] <Kilos-> in ubuntu there is virtualbox
[15:37] <Akiva-Mobile> later ... zambians? Zimbabwe people?? I dunno
[15:37] <Kilos-> in the repos
[15:37] <Kilos-> south africans
[15:37] <Akiva-Mobile> I hear botswana is awesome these days :)
[15:37] <Kilos-> ?
[15:37] <Akiva-Mobile> I hear south africa is the pits lately
[15:37] <Akiva-Mobile> :(
[15:38] <Kilos-> not too hot at the moment no
[15:38] <Kilos-> heavy cost of living
[15:38] <Akiva-Mobile> botswana, lots of economic freedom. second most in all of africa.
[15:38] <Kilos-> so they say yes
[15:38] <Akiva-Mobile> yah, socialist regime.
[15:38] <Akiva-Mobile> I mean I guess apartheid had to end, but it was replaced by rubbish.
[15:39] <Kilos-> lol
[15:40] <Akiva-Mobile> what do you think?
[15:40] <Akiva-Mobile> I'm not south african, but that is the perspective I generally get here
[15:40] <Kilos-> i think that over time it will sort itself out
[15:40] <Akiva-Mobile> Kilos-: Same to be said about zimbabwe ?
[15:40] <Kilos-> maybe many years but who knbows
[15:40] <Kilos-> yip
[15:40] <Akiva-Mobile> :P
[15:48] <magespawn> good evening
[15:49] <magespawn> bit early i know but why not
[15:51] <Kilos-> hi magespawn
[16:32] <magespawn> back again, router now set up
[16:33] <Kilos> that cisco?
[16:33] <magespawn> no, this is a buffalo airstation running dd-wrt
[16:34] <Kilos> ah and no luck with the cisco yet?
[16:34] <Kilos> that sucks
[16:34] <magespawn> i logged into it the other night and reset it to factory defaults but have not tried again since then
[16:35] <Kilos> ah
[16:36] <Kilos> try find kerbero he is quite good with routers from cli
[16:36] <magespawn> this one i have setup as a temporary measure so that i can get all my equipment online
[16:36] <Kilos> cool
[16:49] <magespawn> being eaten alive by mozzies, be right back
[16:50] <Kilos> haha get the sig-gen and chase them with the frequency
[16:58] <Kilos> hi Rynomster you coming to the meeting tonight?
[16:58] <magespawn> taking a more traditional approach, spray on mozzie repellent
[17:01] <Golynx> Kilos how is the insect deat ray coming along
[17:01] <Golynx> s/death
[17:03] <Golynx> wb Rynofear
[17:04] <inetpro> good evening
[17:05] <Golynx> hi inetpro
[17:23] <charl_> good evenig
[17:23] <charl_> *evening
[17:25] <Kilos> hi inetpro charl_
[17:25] <charl_> hi Kilos
[17:25] <Kilos> ive been too busy fighting modems Golynx
[17:26] <Kilos> its like vmclite is embedded in them
[17:26] <Kilos> but show as read only files
[17:27] <Kilos> even flashing dont remove them
[17:27] <Golynx> ah, then its a good winter project Kilos.  My first time here
[18:16] <nuvolari> I don't believe you :P
[18:16] <kbmonkey> I was what the military would call awol or mia
[18:16] <nuvolari> welcome chaser__
[18:16] <chaser__> wont be able to contribute much...  I pulled new version of i3 window manager and ond build it failed as it uses newer libraries than I have - whoops
[18:17] <Kilos> chicks
[18:18] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, you tried bspwm?
[18:18] <Kilos> what happened your crash bang thing
[18:18] <kbmonkey> Kilos, no that is not the case
[18:18] <kbmonkey> same one Kilos
[18:19] <theblazehen> mining on middlecoin
[18:19] <Kilos> then get a proper browser for meets man
[18:19] <theblazehen> wrong chat
[18:19] <Kilos> haha
[18:19] <kbmonkey> no theblazehen I have not used bspwm
[18:19] <Kilos> beware them coin things get you banned on freenode
[18:19] <theblazehen> Kilos, oh?
[18:20] <theblazehen> #bitcoin seems to still be here
[18:20] <Kilos> private_user was banned today
[18:20] <theblazehen> Kilos, what'd he say?
[18:20] <Kilos> Golynx what was the prob
[18:20] <nuvolari> good gried , I'm cooking
[18:20] <nuvolari> *grief
[18:20] <Kilos> he was chatting to me
[18:20] <kbmonkey> I may have openbox on here somewhere
[18:20] <Kilos> they said it does something on freenode
[18:21] <Kilos> he's running some sort of *coin client as well, which is trying to use IRC as a bootstrap method
[18:22] <Golynx> Kilos its his client , freenode have issues with such clients that bootstrap their servers
[18:22] <Kilos> ja but he was here on pidgin
[18:22] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:22] <nuvolari> I'm of the opinion that XFCE has the best balance across lightness, function, aesthetics and general awesomeness
[18:22] <nuvolari> oh hi smile
[18:22] <theblazehen> Kilos, thought that was deprecated?
[18:22] <Kilos> whats that theblazehen
[18:23] <theblazehen> no longer used
[18:23] <theblazehen> IRC bootstrap
[18:23] <Kilos> i went to freenode and asked them why they banned him
[18:23] <Golynx> nuvolari: true :)
[18:23] <Golynx> i like Xfce its awesome
[18:23] <smile> hi :p
[18:23] <smile> you're all so fast :o
[18:23] <Golynx> hi smile
[18:23] <smile> Golynx: so it is :)
[18:23] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[18:23] <smile> whisker menu! :D
[18:24] <theblazehen> hey Golynx
[18:24] <theblazehen> hey smile
[18:25] <smile> hi theblazehen, Kilos, nuvolari and Golynx
[18:25] <Kilos> smile dont forget the pro
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: haha
[18:25] <inetpro> hi smile
[18:25] <Kilos> hehe
[18:26] <Kilos> are you ready nuvolari
[18:26] <nuvolari> inetpro: want to set up the event for next month?
[18:26] <Kilos> are you here superfly ?
[18:26] <nuvolari> @ inetpro: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/
[18:27] <nuvolari> DON'T use the 743 agenda for tonight, it's for next month
[18:27] <nuvolari> just a note of caution
[18:27] <inetpro> nuvolari: oh wow
[18:27] <inetpro> you are organised!
[18:28] <inetpro> np
[18:28] <inetpro> and thanks
[18:28] <nuvolari> heh, not really, just trying to win some time :P
[18:28] <Kilos> quick cuppa before meet starts
[18:28] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[18:28]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:28] <charl_> Maaz: coffee please
[18:28] <Maaz> charl_: Done
[18:28] <nuvolari> eek! going to put on the kettle and kick out my shoes
[18:28] <nuvolari> brb
[18:28] <charl_> at least we get freshly ground coffee
[18:28] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[18:28] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz large
[18:29] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[18:29] <charl_> Kilos: you gonna drink that coffee like a litre of oktoberfest beer?
[18:30] <inetpro> charl_: welcome to #ubuntu-za, hope you'll be back on a regular basis
[18:30] <inetpro> oops
[18:30] <Kilos> i drink tea all day inna beer mug
[18:30] <inetpro> chaser___: welcome to #ubuntu-za, hope you'll be back on a regular basis
[18:30] <charl_> inetpro: thanks you are too kind but i am already here on a regular basis :)
[18:30] <inetpro> sorry chaser___
[18:30] <inetpro> and charl_
[18:30] <charl_> lol
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <charl_> i assume you meant chanserv ?
[18:30] <Kilos> twits
[18:30] <inetpro> you guys make it difficult for us now
[18:30] <charl_> lol
[18:31] <charl_> Maaz: large
[18:31] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you charl_
[18:31] <Kilos> no charl_ welcome our new guy
[18:31] <inetpro> tab completion fail
[18:31] <nuvolari> brb
[18:31] <Kilos> nuvolari ping
[18:31] <Kilos> time man
[18:31] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:31] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:31] <chaser___> thanks, will be marking the next one my calendar
[18:32] <smile> hi inetpro :p
[18:32] <smile> it's busy here :o
[18:32] <charl_> hi chaser___ :)
[18:32] <charl_> hi smile
[18:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, charl_ and inetpro!
[18:32] <charl_> Maaz: danke
[18:32] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting February 2014
[18:32]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:32] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[18:32] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:32] <inetpro> chaser___: you don't have to wait for the meeting
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:32] <Maaz> nuvolari: Yessir
[18:32] <Kilos> Maaz I am Miles Sharpe
[18:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:32] <nuvolari> oh hi bytjie :)
[18:32] <inetpro> people are here every day
[18:32] <charl_> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:32] <Maaz> charl_: Okay
[18:32] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[18:32] <maiatoday> hi nuvolari
[18:32] <Kilos> wb
[18:32] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[18:32] <Maaz> maiatoday: Yessir
[18:32] <charl_> hi maiatoday
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:33] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[18:33] <kbmonkey> thank you nuvolari
[18:33] <chaser___> does this chat run daily?
[18:33] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:33] <Maaz> superfly: Yessir
[18:33] <maiatoday> hi charl_
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[18:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:33] <Kilos> yes chaser___
[18:33] <Kilos> all day every day
[18:33] <nuvolari> Agenda for today's meeting: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/
[18:33] <superfly> chaser___: it's IRC, it never stops
[18:33] <nuvolari> Welcome to tonight's meeting everyone
[18:33] <nuvolari> welcome to all the new people!
[18:33] <Kilos> ty mr. chair
[18:34] <theblazehen> Maaz: I am Jeandre Henderson
[18:34] <Maaz> theblazehen: Okay
[18:34] <chaser___> ;) i feel like i am back in 2001
[18:34] <nuvolari> We hope you feel welcome and please tell us when you need some help
[18:35]  * nuvolari drops a pin
[18:35] <chaser___> my chat window is not always auto scrolling... any ideas?
[18:35] <charl_> chaser___: which client are you using?
[18:35] <Kilos> what client?
[18:35] <Kilos> lopl
[18:35] <Kilos> lol too
[18:35] <nuvolari> chaser___: get weechat :P
[18:35] <chaser___> chrome
[18:36] <charl_> hmmm sorry not familiar with that client, i use irssi
[18:36] <Kilos> chaser___ what os?
[18:36] <nuvolari> irssi is for masochists
[18:36] <nuvolari> :P
[18:36] <inetpro> charl_: he's on live chat in the browser
[18:36] <charl_> oh ! now i get it, the freenode web client
[18:36] <charl_> never used that either :/
[18:37] <charl_> nuvolari: irssi is for people who know how to use the keyboard :P
[18:37] <inetpro> charl_: http://ubuntu-za.org/irc-live-chat
[18:37] <Kilos> irssi is for peeps that can only see black and white text
[18:37] <chaser___> I am in a chrome browser, on windowss atm
[18:37] <nuvolari> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients
[18:37] <superfly> yo Vince-0
[18:37] <nuvolari> hello and welcome Vince-0
[18:37] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[18:37] <Maaz> Vince-0: Yessir
[18:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[18:38] <nuvolari> ok, moving on?
[18:38] <charl_> inetpro: oh qwebirc... ok
[18:38] <charl_> running inside of chrome
[18:38] <theblazehen> hey Vince-0
[18:39] <inetpro> very useful to introduce new users to our channel
[18:39] <charl_> yeah web based is good for new users
[18:39] <Kilos> ai!
[18:39] <Kilos> only on windows
[18:40] <inetpro> obviously you would want to use a decent client very quickly
[18:40] <charl_> not necessarily, there is https://www.irccloud.com/ which some people use as their primary client
[18:40] <Kilos> chaser___ you can get pidgin for windows and use that for irc and other im goodies
[18:41] <theblazehen> Kilos, or xchat for windows
[18:41] <charl_> but afaik that is not an open source client but a subscription service
[18:41] <Kilos> some say you gotta pay now
[18:41] <charl_> theblazehen: i think you would use hexchat for windows instead... ?
[18:41] <Kilos> hexchat
[18:41]  * nuvolari checks out qwebirc and irccloud
[18:41] <theblazehen> charl_, yeah, might be better
[18:42] <charl_> bah xchat for windows is shareware ?!
[18:42] <theblazehen> Using hexchat on linux atm
[18:42] <charl_> theblazehen: on which distro? i tried to install it today on ubuntu 13.10 but failed
[18:42] <theblazehen> charl_, arch
[18:42] <theblazehen> hey magespawn
[18:42] <inetpro> nuvolari: the floor is yours, you still here?
[18:42] <charl_> theblazehen: i was using the ppa but after adding it and running apt-get update it said the repo is invalid
[18:43] <magespawn> back again
[18:43]  * nuvolari feels ignored
[18:43] <nuvolari> *cough*
[18:43] <nuvolari> :P
[18:43] <nuvolari> ok, moving on!
[18:43] <Kilos> haha
[18:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes
[18:43] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes
[18:43] <theblazehen> charl_, ah, thats sucks.. You advice there, sorry
[18:43] <Kilos> link nuvolari
[18:43] <maiatoday> I had an action on the previous meeting
[18:43] <nuvolari> right, I think the most interesting part from the last meeting was superfly's questionaire
[18:44] <nuvolari> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-01-28-18-31-37.txt
[18:44] <nuvolari> link ^^
[18:44] <superfly> "pointed discussion" :-P
[18:44] <nuvolari> fair enough
[18:44] <maiatoday> I had to check when we have to do a loco health check again.
[18:44] <maiatoday> We received an email about this and I answered the questions and passed the email onto the mailing list
[18:44] <nuvolari> I'm sure that raised some interest in the matter on local grounds
[18:44] <Kilos> oh yes maiatoday
[18:45] <maiatoday> I haven't heard anything from the loco after I answered the mail and also I didn't get any response on the email list so I am expecting we are good for now
[18:45]  * nuvolari holds breath
[18:45] <maiatoday> I'll keep an eye out on the email but I don't think we have to do anything at the moment
[18:45] <Kilos> yay
[18:46] <Kilos> ty
[18:46] <nuvolari> we have to thank oom Kilos and the others that join him during the day for keeping our logs hot
[18:46] <nuvolari> :D
[18:46] <inetpro> maiatoday: thanks for the efforts
[18:47] <maiatoday> pleasure, I'll keep everyone posted if the situation changes
[18:47] <Kilos> wb chaser1
[18:48] <chaser1> ty, dont know what happened there..
[18:48]  * inetpro votes +1 to approve the minutes
[18:48] <nuvolari> Anytihng else from the minutes?
[18:48] <chaser1> what client should i download for windows?
[18:48] <theblazehen> chaser1, hexchat
[18:49] <inetpro> chaser1: you could even use pidgin as well
[18:49] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:49] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Administrativia & Announcements
[18:49] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements
[18:50] <nuvolari> Anyone?
[18:50] <nuvolari> we'll get to your point just now oom Kilos
[18:50] <inetpro> everything rolling smoothly
[18:50] <Kilos> np
[18:50] <inetpro> I see the website is back in operation
[18:50] <nuvolari> I am not aware of any announcements or admin issues
[18:51] <inetpro> thanks to superfly?
[18:51]  * nuvolari checks out the site
[18:51] <superfly> I did nothing, I must confess
[18:51] <inetpro> hmm... fixed itself?
[18:51] <superfly> you'd have to ask tumbleweed
[18:51] <magespawn> are we not identifying?
[18:52]  * nuvolari blames social media for the burden of updating websites
[18:52] <Kilos> we did magespawn
[18:52] <inetpro> magespawn: we're almost halfway through the meeting
[18:52] <nuvolari> it used to be quick, now social media make updating sites feel like taking forever
[18:52] <magespawn> wow
[18:53] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:53] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[18:53] <Kilos> haha
[18:53] <magespawn> seriously i did not even see one id
[18:53] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Administrativia & Announcements - Nicks (miles.sharpe)
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements - Nicks (miles.sharpe)
[18:53] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, the floor is yours
[18:54] <Kilos> you on windows magespawn
[18:54] <Kilos> no man not me
[18:54] <magespawn> nope just a bit of a dodgy connection
[18:54] <Kilos> oh ya that thing
[18:54]  * nuvolari tiptoes away to get coffee
[18:54] <Kilos> it was the pros idea
[18:55] <Kilos> right peeps the proposal is to allow only registered nicks in here
[18:55] <Kilos> but switchable
[18:55] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:55] <inetpro> even though I mentioned the option when I noticed other channels like #centos doing it I don't think it is worthwile for us to do it
[18:56] <Kilos> i think its a good idea if left off until needed
[18:56] <maiatoday> what is the frequency of weird non code of conduct behaviour at the moment
[18:56] <maiatoday> why do we want only registered people in here?
[18:56] <Kilos> fine atm maiatoday
[18:56] <inetpro> just thought it was interesting that they use it
[18:56] <Kilos> we just has one bad day and night
[18:57] <maiatoday> if we are having lots of incidents with weird behaviour we can make it nick registered and see if it helps
[18:57] <maiatoday> if not I propose we don't
[18:57] <nuvolari> I support maiatoday
[18:57] <maiatoday> unless there was another reason for switching it on
[18:57] <charl_> what incident was this, when? i never saw any big problem in here
[18:57] <charl_> but then i don't always idle here either, only on and off
[18:57] <maiatoday> we don't want barriers to stop people joining in
[18:58] <charl_> i don't even have a registered nick
[18:58] <kbmonkey> I agree with maiatoday you will get problems from people using the webchat
[18:58] <superfly> there was just one particularly disruptive person about 2 months ago, but we got it all sorted
[18:58] <nuvolari> off with his head!
[18:58] <Kilos> i agree maiatoday but if its switchable and left off then its easy to switch on
[18:58]  * nuvolari didn't say that
[18:58] <Kilos> ask the fly about the prob
[18:58]  * inetpro was hoping that highvoltage would be here this evening to express his opinion on the matter as the founder of this channel
[18:58] <maiatoday> ok that's cool too
[18:58] <charl_> one two months ago... that is hardly any cause of concern
[18:59] <kbmonkey> as alternative I propose we give Kilos ops to kick trouble makers
[18:59] <Kilos> no
[18:59] <nuvolari> +1
[18:59] <charl_> kbmonkey: i second that
[18:59] <nuvolari> yes
[18:59] <Kilos> the fly spent all day and night kicking the oke
[18:59] <nuvolari> you're our guardian oom Kilos
[18:59] <Kilos> and he will be back
[18:59] <maiatoday> I was just going to ask do we have enough ops around to kick
[18:59] <nuvolari> we're not around to do all of that
[19:00] <Kilos> much easier to just turn on a switch for registered nicks only
[19:00] <nuvolari> banning people will only result in them comping back for revenge
[19:00] <kbmonkey> true Kilos nothing stops them from coming back
[19:00] <maiatoday> so maybe we should just make sure there are enough ops that are pingable and I think Kilos is a good candidate to get ops since he is around a lot
[19:00] <maiatoday> ok then both, a switch and more ops
[19:00] <Kilos> superfly tell them'
[19:01] <charl_> why the switch... efnet, ircnet etc don't even have services
[19:01] <charl_> and they also work fine
[19:01] <Kilos> he was an expert irc user and gave fly and pro lotsa grief
[19:01] <charl_> i agree with more ops but disagree with the switch
[19:01] <nuvolari> or we can all go oback to mailing lists only :P
[19:01] <superfly> Kilos: he was hardly an expert IRC user
[19:01] <superfly> I don't think we need to worry about registered nicks
[19:02] <Kilos> ok
[19:02] <Kilos> was your time wasted
[19:02] <superfly> maybe one more op, but I think that even that is probably overkill
[19:02] <kbmonkey> in the end: do not feed the trolls. they get bored quicker that way.
[19:03] <charl_> i don't think it's a bad idea to make some of the regulars here like Kilos ops
[19:03] <charl_> kbmonkey: exactly
[19:03] <inetpro> we have 9 ops at the moment, though not all of them active
[19:03] <charl_> inetpro: that's the problem, most of them aren't
[19:03] <charl_> *most of you
[19:03] <charl_> but i have honestly never witnessed a single incident here
[19:04] <maiatoday> ok maybe we refresh the ops list a bit, and add some people who are around
[19:04] <charl_> os it's not like it's a big problem
[19:04] <Kilos> superfly you remember the date
[19:04] <Golynx> just dont entertain such people who looks for attention that way
[19:04] <Kilos> let charl_  go look
[19:04] <superfly> Kilos: quite frankly, I don't care. I'm happy to just move on.
[19:04] <Kilos> ok
[19:05] <maiatoday> I can't remember if I am on the list, but if I am, I've forgotten how to use the commands :( but if you need to ping me Kilos I am happy to help if I can
[19:05] <superfly> I think we're making a mountain out of a mole hill and spending more effort discussing it than it is actually worth
[19:05] <inetpro> I think we should be fine for now
[19:05] <nuvolari> +1
[19:05] <Kilos> ok im easy move on nuvolari
[19:05] <charl_> +1
[19:06] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed nick registration not a requirement for the time being
[19:06] <Maaz> Agreed: nick registration not a requirement for the time being
[19:06] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[19:06] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:06] <nuvolari> hmm, I missed the first DLUG meeting :(
[19:06] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: did you go?
[19:07] <nuvolari> hello spinza
[19:07] <kbmonkey> Missed it as well nuvolari
[19:07] <nuvolari> meh. Next time
[19:07] <nuvolari> anyone having events to share?
[19:08] <nuvolari> this seems like a dead spot this month
[19:08] <maiatoday> We can start thinking about a release party, Trusty is an LTS so maybe it would be fun to have another party. The release date is 17 April.
[19:08] <maiatoday> Also there was a presentation at Monash, I saw on the mailing list.
[19:08] <inetpro> looking further ahead, we've had talks today of ideas to arrange SFD at the Gautrain station in Pretoria this year
[19:08] <nuvolari> ooh, not too far away!
[19:09] <maiatoday> look here for upcoming possible events http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[19:10] <inetpro> SFD happens on the 20th September 2014
[19:11] <inetpro> for those of you who might want to be part of that planning, please talk to Karl Fisher
[19:13] <nuvolari> ok, nothing more on events?
[19:13] <kbmonkey> no nothing from this side
[19:14] <nuvolari> ok, moving along
[19:14] <nuvolari> seems like people are drifting off
[19:14] <superfly> nothing that I know (or can think) of
[19:14] <inetpro> oh there is of course also HFD
[19:14] <kbmonkey> yes sorry, this fever is making me dozie
[19:14] <nuvolari> HFD?
[19:15] <inetpro> Hardware Freedom Day on 15 March
[19:15] <inetpro> never seen this before but it could be interesting
[19:16] <charl_> haven't heard of it but this is a good topic right now post-nsa
[19:16] <nuvolari> there's been some active house4hack posts on G+
[19:16] <charl_> particularly when it comes to firmware
[19:16] <nuvolari> loooks interesting!
[19:17] <inetpro> that happens even before our next meeting
[19:17] <Kilos> Maaz google hardware freedom day
[19:17] <Maaz> Kilos: "Hardware Freedom Day - Home" http://www.hfday.org/ :: "Hardware Freedom Day - About HFD" http://www.hfday.org/hfd :: "Hardware Freedom Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_Freedom_Day :: "Hardware Freedom Day" http://www.hardwarefreedomday.org/ :: "Hardware Freedom Day (hardwarefreedom) on Twitter"
[19:17] <Maaz> https://twitter.com/hardwarefreedom :: "Digital Freedom Foundation - Announcing Hardware Freedom Day ..." …
[19:18] <nuvolari> ok, I'm going to skip the next 2 topics. Is everyone OK with that? Unless there is something someone wants to discuss around them (The Current state of Interent in South Africa - Continued, and Ways to help the Ubuntu Community)
[19:18] <nuvolari> the latter was requested by eyesonly, who is not around
[19:18]  * inetpro has nothing to add for now
[19:18] <maiatoday> I am ok with that
[19:18] <Kilos> he hasnt been back since suggesting that nuvolari
[19:18] <Kilos> write it off
[19:18] <nuvolari> hmm
[19:18] <nuvolari> ok
[19:19] <nuvolari> :-/ we need to keep people here
[19:19] <superfly> yep, you can skip
[19:19] <nuvolari> maybe we should ask new people what they want to see in here
[19:19] <kbmonkey> it will be interesting to find out what laptops are available with free firmwares
[19:19] <Kilos> i dont know what happened to him
[19:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:19] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:20] <nuvolari> Anything from anyone?
[19:20] <nuvolari> random topic
[19:20] <nuvolari> for laughs
[19:21] <nuvolari> http://xkcd.com/178/
[19:22] <Kilos> kbmonkey why you been so scarce
[19:22] <maiatoday> ubuntu 6.10 no less :)
[19:23] <kbmonkey> Kilos, because I am like a desert flower?
[19:23] <inetpro> ai!
[19:23] <Kilos> grrrr
[19:23] <nuvolari> lol... "I have found the perfect phrase for condescendingly dismissing anything: 'Have you seen the new Ubuntu release?', 'Nah, I'm not really into Pokémon'" :P
[19:24] <nuvolari> ok, nearing the end
[19:24] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:24] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:24] <kbmonkey> ubuntu 14.04 pika pickachu?
[19:24] <nuvolari> lol!
[19:24] <nuvolari> +1 kbmonkey
[19:24] <charl_> let's face it any name is better than saucy salamander
[19:25] <Kilos> inetpro Maaz needs updating with ubuntu releases
[19:25] <charl_> when i saw the name of the current ubuntu release i got grossed out immediately
[19:25] <kbmonkey> I'd tell a linux joke but my brain is on low gear.
[19:25] <nuvolari> Something fishy?
[19:25] <nuvolari> wb magespawn
[19:25] <charl_> wb magespawn
[19:25] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[19:25] <Kilos> hehe
[19:25] <nuvolari> I'm around for the next meeting
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:26] <magespawn> fastest meeting i have ever had
[19:26] <nuvolari> so... if you're still happy with me, I'm up for it :)
[19:26] <magespawn> was like 10 minutes
[19:26] <magespawn> +1
[19:26] <maiatoday> you are doing a good job nuvolari I vote for you
[19:26] <inetpro> +1 for nuvolari
[19:26] <Kilos> no man inetpro maaz needs the info
[19:26] <nuvolari> okies
[19:27] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, I be on standby for chair
[19:27] <Kilos> ty nuvolari
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Chair for next meeting: ~johanmynhardt
[19:27] <Maaz> Agreed: Chair for next meeting: ~johanmynhardt
[19:27] <Golynx> +1 cent
[19:27] <kbmonkey> +1 tiekkie
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Chair standby: ~kbmonkey
[19:27] <Maaz> Agreed: Chair standby: ~kbmonkey
[19:28] <inetpro> after next meeting kbmonkey or any other brave soul can take the hot seat
[19:28] <kbmonkey> thank you nuvolari
[19:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next meeting: Tuesday, March 25, 2014
[19:28] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting: Tuesday, March 25, 2014
[19:29] <Kilos> kbmonkey start warming up then
[19:29] <nuvolari> maaz: agreed next meeting agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/
[19:29] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/
[19:29] <kbmonkey> Kilos, Im going to warm up with some med lemon right now
[19:29] <Kilos> the job belongs to you two
[19:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[19:29] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[19:29] <kbmonkey> sir yes sir
[19:29] <nuvolari> Thank you for coming along everyone
[19:29] <Kilos> hope you get well soon kbmonkey
[19:29] <maiatoday> hope you feel better kbmonkey
[19:30] <maiatoday> thanks for chairing nuvolari
[19:30] <nuvolari> your attendance is valued highly
[19:30] <inetpro> nuvolari: thanks for another well organised meeting
[19:30] <Kilos> ty for being here maiatoday
[19:30] <nuvolari> The community needs people to participate
[19:30] <nuvolari> we can't do it always and all the time, but every little bit helps
[19:30] <maiatoday> np thanks everyone else for being here
[19:30] <Kilos> we miss you you know
[19:30] <nuvolari> So thank you all for your time and help!
[19:31] <nuvolari> You're welcome inetpro, and maiatoday :)
[19:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:31] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:31] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-02-25-18-32-23.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-02-25-18-32-23.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-02-25-18-32-23.html
[19:31] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you must put a shock collar on me to get me on irc more often hey?
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:31] <Kilos> ill keep mailing you
[19:32]  * kbmonkey thumbs up
[19:33] <charl_> night all
[19:33] <kbmonkey> thanks nuvolari and maiatoday
[19:33] <nuvolari> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/ updated with minutes
[19:33] <superfly> thanks nuvolari
[19:33] <superfly> and maiatoday
[19:34] <nuvolari> next meeting: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/
[19:34] <nuvolari> you're welcome kbmonkey  and superfly
[19:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: next.meeting
[19:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[19:34] <Kilos> ai!
[19:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.next
[19:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/
[19:34] <Kilos> sorry
[19:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget meeting.next
[19:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[19:34] <kbmonkey> wb Kilos
[19:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/
[19:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[19:34] <Kilos> ty
[19:35] <magespawn> superfly i forget, spaces are better right, and 4 is the correct number?
[19:35] <kbmonkey> all the devs but me left work, a lot of workload & cant take sick days. Im off to get some rest, thanks all for a great meeting!
[19:36] <superfly> magespawn: that is correct
[19:36] <Kilos> night kbmonkey
[19:36] <Kilos> ty for attending
[19:36] <magespawn> cool beans
[19:36] <magespawn> good night Kilos
[19:36] <magespawn> woops
[19:36] <Kilos> night magespawn you also crashing?
[19:36] <magespawn> good night kbmonkey
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <magespawn> no
[19:37] <kbmonkey> thanks :]
[19:37] <Golynx> when last was Jonathan Carter here ? google is alive with the guy lol
[19:37] <superfly> Golynx: he's around at times.
[19:38] <Kilos> is that the spark superfly
[19:38] <Golynx> superfly: ok
[19:38] <superfly> Kilos: yes
[19:38] <magespawn> busy doing cs50 on edex
[19:39] <Kilos> ah
[19:39] <superfly> Golynx: anything in particular?
[19:39] <Golynx> superfly: someone mentioned highvoltage as the creator of the channel, so i googled him a bit
[19:40] <superfly> ah, OK
[19:40] <superfly> he's come a long way...
[19:40] <Golynx> cool guy, loves the free software world
[19:41] <inetpro> nuvolari: that meeting agenda's date is incorrect
[19:41] <nuvolari> :O which one inetpro ?
[19:42] <inetpro> Maaz: meeting.next
[19:42] <Maaz> inetpro: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/
[19:42] <inetpro> nuvolari: that ^^ one
[19:42] <Kilos> lol
[19:42] <nuvolari> yikes!
[19:42] <nuvolari> I see
[19:42] <inetpro> surely 24 Feb was yesterday?
[19:43] <inetpro> like going forward to the past
[19:43] <maiatoday> thanks all, g'night all
[19:43] <Kilos> night maia
[19:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:44] <nuvolari> there, I fixed it
[19:44] <inetpro> ty
[19:45] <Kilos> i think we had a lekker meeting hey guys?
[19:46] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[19:46] <nuvolari> definitief oom Kilos
[19:47] <nuvolari> net my interwebbe wat haakerig is
[19:47] <nuvolari> ek tik nou al die 3de lyn en die eerste een het nog nie mooi gestuur nie
[19:47] <Kilos> dankie vir die goeie stoel werk seun
[19:47] <Kilos> ai!
[20:06] <chaser2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9b2-mchamg
[20:15] <magespawn> i am also off for now, good night all
[20:40] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:44] <chaser2> gn
[20:44] <Kilos> see you tomorrow chaser2
[20:45] <chaser2> not tom but some time soon
[20:45] <Kilos> cool


[22:35] <mdke> newz2000: the image on the front page is very blurred on my screen (Windows + Firefox) - is it the same for you?
[22:35] <newz2000> let me check, but it wasn't blurry when I uploaded it
[22:36] <newz2000> my browser seems to have gone unresponsive :-(
[22:36] <newz2000> not blurry for me
[22:37] <newz2000> Are you using some service that speeds up your internet by compressing images?
[22:38] <mdke> newz2000: I'm connecting through a vodafone dongle, but I don't know if it does that or not
[22:38] <newz2000> some ISPs do this
[22:38] <mdke> hmm, some of the other images on the site are a bit blurry too, maybe it is just my isp
[22:38] <mdke> newz2000: ok, I had no idea about that. Fair enough
[22:39] <newz2000> The solution is for me to use smaller images of course. :-)
[22:39] <newz2000> So the ISPs don't compress them
[22:39] <mdke> i'm happy to blame the ISP for this one :)
[22:40] <mdke> thanks for the help


[01:46] <OerHeks> why .. does a chicken cross the internet .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dst_ra-AgH0
[02:13] <wileee> funny fozziebear, heh, saw it before loosing conection
[04:39] <wileee> geez moron user espousing garbage
[06:58] <wafflejock> wileee, http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3133/113128-163181-bart-simpson.jpg good thing no one has invented an RPC strangulation bot
[06:59] <wileee> heh
[07:00] <cfhowlett> http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/ce/ce/bdceceb6d7d73fa9af35f72556961920.jpg
[07:02] <wileee> lol
[07:02] <wafflejock> hah nice
[07:02] <cfhowlett> working of the Force Choke bot now ...
[07:33] <tintedwindows> dos anyone play Illarion here?
[07:33] <tintedwindows> or quake 2?
[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:04] <tintedwindows> blah
[08:06] <ObrienDave> blah blah blah
[10:07] <EriC^^> hey TJ-
[10:07] <EriC^^> i just installed win10
[10:07] <EriC^^> it's running super hot though fan is on full speed
[10:07] <TJ-> Was it a joy ?
[10:07] <EriC^^> well not really, it is supposed to pick up the key from the bios, it asked for it during the install and it wouldn't accept it
[10:08] <EriC^^> it looks decent enough though, but i can't use it, the fan turns on all the way and temps are 90+
[10:08] <TJ-> Does the PC use non-standard interfaces to the thermal monitor and fan control? If so, the OS likely requires system/mobo specific driver intelligence
[10:08] <EriC^^> i think it was actually heating up
[10:09] <EriC^^> not just the fan, cause i got into ubuntu and the temps were 90+ then it started coolign down and fans turned off
[10:09] <TJ-> That sounds like an ACPI issue, with the CPU not being put into temporary sleep C3 mode when idle
[10:09] <EriC^^> cpu usage is normal though in task manager, but it said the disk usage was 99% even though there wasn't much below
[10:10] <TJ-> I was about about to say run powertop on it... silly me, it's Windows :D
[10:10] <EriC^^> :D
[10:10] <TJ-> I'd think the requirement is for the mobo/system specific drivers... maybe there are some for Win 8.x or even win 7 that might work
[10:11] <TJ-> I know AMD used to provide their own chipset specific packages too, that's another possibility
[10:11] <EriC^^> i see
[10:12] <wileee> upgraded to W10 couple of days ago runs cool and well.
[10:12] <TJ-> It certainly sounds like the CPU isn't going into C3 sleep when idle
[10:12] <EriC^^> hp site says it should upgrade to win10 fine *shrug*
[10:12] <TJ-> It could also be that it isn't frequency-scaling too
[10:14] <EriC^^> it started during the install TJ- , in case that matters
[10:14] <EriC^^> half way through the install the fan went bazerk and stayed that way
[10:14] <wileee> time for water cooling, heh
[10:15] <EriC^^> lol
[10:15] <EriC^^> it's an i7 btw
[10:15] <TJ-> EriC^^: According to superuser.com the system might have this tool: "powercfg -energy"
[10:15] <EriC^^> bought in 2014
[10:15] <wileee> I read earlier that setting up a water cooler is half way between running linux and speaking klingon
[10:16] <TJ-> See https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc748940%28v=ws.10%29.aspx
[10:16] <TJ-> Water coolers are fine if there are no leaks... I'd rather use mineral oil in it though
[10:17] <wileee> I was just curious how it's done, to much slack time here
[10:17] <EriC^^> :D
[10:17] <EriC^^> ill brb
[10:23] <TJ-> wileee: coolers are great in principle but the problem is often the bulkiness of the fittings and pipework. For many mobos and cases there isn't a lot of room to begin with and the radius of turns of the pipes makes for difficulties in finding a comfortable fit
[10:43] <EriC^^_> hey TJ-
[10:43] <EriC^^_> i was setting up the tethering thing for the internet
[10:49] <EriC^^> hi TJ- i had to boot into ubuntu, temps were reaching 102'c
[10:50] <TJ-> ouch
[10:52] <EriC^^> TJ-: http://explosive.bshellz.net/energy-report.html
[10:52] <EriC^^> that's the report the command gave
[10:52] <EriC^^> it mentions some acpi and driver errors
[10:55] <EriC^^> i really like win10, this sucks
[10:56] <EriC^^> could it be i need to download the amd graphics driver?
[20:34] <EriC^^> hey daftykins
[20:34] <daftykins> o/
[20:34] <daftykins> greetings
[20:35] <EriC^^> o/
[20:35] <EriC^^> did you get win10 activated?
[20:35] <daftykins> yeah it was fine when i powered on on the 30th, their activation servers were just getting hammered on release day :D
[20:36] <EriC^^> oh ok cool
[20:36] <EriC^^> i installed it, but it didn't accept my key
[20:36] <wileee> mine was a couple days later with no key issues
[20:36] <daftykins> EriC^^: which key was that?
[20:36] <EriC^^> i read that you have to upgrade for it to work
[20:36] <daftykins> you have to do an upgrade atop 7 or 8 to convert your existing sadly
[20:36] <EriC^^> the key i pulled out from the bios for win8
[20:37] <daftykins> ah yes that won't go in, you'll have to install 8 then upgrade
[20:37] <EriC^^> there's a rumor that if you upgrade you can then fresh install, dunno though
[20:37] <daftykins> yep i did clean installs immediately after
[20:37] <EriC^^> anyways it was overheating like crazy, temps at 100'c
[20:37] <daftykins> works a treat :) just skip the key entry pages and it works out fine
[20:38] <daftykins> o0 CPU?
[20:38] <wileee> you can with a double install and the correct key, looks like an upgrade, or in W7 and 8 you could do a config tweak
[20:38] <OerHeks> like this EriC^^ ? http://imgur.com/gallery/PbiZ6ok
[20:38] <OerHeks> :-D
[20:38] <EriC^^> lol
[20:40] <EriC^^> i tried setting the amd driver to battery saving, it lowered the temps to 80-90
[20:41] <EriC^^>  TJ- had me run a command for energy it gave this report http://explosive.bshellz.net/energy-report.html
[20:41] <EriC^^> most of them went away after upgrading drivers except for the last 3 or so
[20:41] <wileee> EriC^^, just as a reference,  http://winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/clean-install-windows-7-with-upgrade-media-128512
[20:42] <EriC^^> anyways i reinstalled win8 cause you can't customize it without activating it and stuff so i'll try upgrading this time
[20:42] <TJ-> EriC^^: Impressive! "Average Utilization (%) 	4572646.00"
[20:43] <EriC^^> lol
[20:44] <wileee> I did use a W10 iso for my upgrade, had to do some cleanup to get there, downloaded it while scrubbing the os
[20:44] <TJ-> I found out today from Nvidia engineers that the typical operating temperature at idle for the Quadro NVS420 is 45C ... it's been running at 70C+ for a while and needing manual fan-control intervention.
[20:44] <EriC^^> learned some dos commands today :>
[20:45] <daftykins> not just bad TIM or blocked fans?
[20:46] <TJ-> So the workbench now has the RasPi+LCD+RF signal detector, laptop + mini-PCIe SSD testbed, the PCBs out of the failed CDU, the NVS420 with heatsink stripped off ... anyone want to take on some of my projects!?
[20:47] <TJ-> daftykins: No... I'd previously replaced the thermal pastes with no improvement. The problem I had was Nvidia didn't publish the typical/max operating temps so I had to chase them down with their engineers
[20:50] <TJ-> I've got some copper shims arriving tomorrow, which should help. The heatsinks don't have great mating with the heat sources, especially for the RAM ICs
[21:43] <OerHeks> pom pom pom