[05:50] <DarkTrick> @dc_coder_84's suggestion: I plan on migrating HexChat to Gtk3. Though, it might take a couple of months, since I'm a little busy making a living, atm.
[05:51] <DarkTrick> **Q**: what is this "sponsoring" that unit and bluesabr_e talked about?
[05:53] <Unit193> https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/2047
[10:09] <DarkTrick> Unit193, thank you for the reference! I'll contact the dev directly.
[12:57] <Unit193> DarkTrick: I guess feel free to, but I sort of read his last comment as "It's not going to happen"
[12:57] <DarkTrick> yeh, me too actually. I just hope for the best
[12:58] <Unit193> Also re sponsoring: Sean was updating the packaging of catfish and menulibre in Debian, but can't directly upload them.  I'm a Debian Developer, so I uploaded the packages on his behalf.
[12:58] <Unit193> !info menulibre unstable
[12:58] <Unit193> !info menulibre impish
[13:03] <bluesabre> I need to push another package update for menulibre, found a bug and tagged another release yesterday… but that will be later :)
[14:21] <Unit193> bluesabre, ochosi: Curious, can you think of panel/thunar plugins that can be dropped from the archive?


[05:19] <mmikowski> Thanksa arraybolt3! I'll poke around :)
[05:21] <mmikowski> ok, poked :)
[05:22] <mmikowski> So it gets it into users' app list. Now I know this is normally frowned upon, but is there a way to get it onto people's desktops?
[05:29] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: I can provide tested code to do that if that is something others want.
[05:55] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: It sounds good, the problem is that doing stuff like this is (as far as I know) quite invasive.
[05:56] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: The xdg specs make it easy to get something in everyone's app lists. But there isn't an XDG way of getting something on everyone's desktop that I know of.
[05:56] <arraybolt3> Without a system-wide way of modifying user's desktops, an apt package would have to modify the desktops *of an individual user*.
[05:57] <arraybolt3> For obvious reasons, that requires scripting since there's no way to be sure what a user's home directory will be called, but it also introduces extra complexity and a ton of extra edge cases. For instance, what happens if a new user is created? Can a hook be made into the user creation process to get the shortcut on their desktop too? What happens if the user uses more than one DE?
[05:58] <arraybolt3> It's probably doable, but because of how invasive and difficult it is, I would be worried about it.
[05:59] <arraybolt3> As for whether a trick like that would be allowed in the Ubuntu package archives, that's a question for the Debian Policy Manual, which is what I'm checking now.
[06:02] <arraybolt3> Meh, taking time to find it, might have to check in later.
[06:12] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: One possible solution would be to put the manual shortcut in the right spot in /etc/skel and then use a script to put it in the directories of all existing users? The use of /etc/skel for this sort of thing is discouraged but *not* prohibited by policy. I don't know how kosher the script part would be.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:30] <ahoneybun[m]> Heyo BluesKaj and condor
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun[m]
[19:06] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: The problem with skel is its once-and-done. That is, if the skel change does not occur before the user is created, then the icon will never appear for that user.
[19:07] <arraybolt3> Thus the script to add it to existing users.
[19:07] <mmikowski> Depends on how ahoneybun[m] wants it done.
[19:07] <mmikowski> Right
[19:07] <arraybolt3> skel just makes it easy to cause new users to have it, at least that was my thinking.
[19:08] <mmikowski> There's also dragons when adjusting skel; you *really* don't want to mess with the defaults IME.
[19:08] <mmikowski> We do a /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local for kfocus additions.
[19:09] <mmikowski> That way any Ubuntu changes get propagated as they mandate, but then we add a bit of sugar on top (like a pro-level .vimrc).
[19:11] <mmikowski> Adding a single icon to users desktops once on install seems fine to me. We could even add a drop file so if that it doesn't keep adding it on every upgrade, which is certainly more friendly that constantly forcing the user to delete it if they don't want it.
[19:11] <mmikowski> However, just showing it to them once will notify them of the availability, which is probably a good thing.
[19:12] <mmikowski> One could install on all desktops, or possibly sniff for the installing user and only install there.
[19:13] <mmikowski> IMO, the first is probably the better option; it's already written too. So ahoneybun[m] wants to consider.
[19:16] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: about edge cases: One can put it into skel/Desktop (pretty safe) and into postinst.
[19:16] <arraybolt3> Yeah, that was my idea essentially.
[19:17] <arraybolt3> Something like "for i in `ls /home`; do cp /usr/share/applications/kubuntu-manual.desktop /home/$i/Desktop/; done"
[19:17] <mmikowski> Right. If ahoneybun[m] wants to try it out, I can dig out the code. We would want to add the drop file per user if it isn't already there.
[19:18] <mmikowski> btw, the cool part about the per-user drop file means ever user created after installation will always see the icon at least once before they delete it.
[19:18] <arraybolt3> That seems nice.
[19:18] <mmikowski> So if that is the mission, it will be accomplished for all.
[19:19] <mmikowski> And yes, the code is basically as above, just refined for edge cases etc.
[19:19] <mmikowski> IIRC; it's been quite a while since we used it.
[19:19] <mmikowski> Now our icons go into a theme, and they haven't changed in quite a while.
[19:20] <mmikowski> kk, bbiab. I'll dig it out, perhaps today.
[19:20] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: I mean, count on it today.
[19:20] <arraybolt3> +1
[19:21] <arraybolt3> I may be somewhat scarce today due to other stuff I'm having to do, so if I'm not available when you ping, that's probably why.
[19:49] <ahoneybun[m]> Which ever is better
[19:58] <mmikowski> ahoneybun[m]: My vote from a UX standpoint, is always show the icon to each user once.
[19:59] <mmikowski> That's the whole point of making the package available. Of course, if it gets upstreamed, the "automatically add to each user's desktop" function will no longer ever be called becasue the skel will include the drop file to signal to the code not to add the icon again.
[20:19] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: Do you want to test 5.27 on your kfocus system?
[20:22] <mmikowski> ahoneybun[m] It should also be improved for stock kubuntu too now since RikMills added some i386 packages which apparently were needed by steam (this is not 100% confirmed, btw). In any event, just sudo add-apt-repository:kubuntu-ppa/experimental if you want to try it out.
[20:22] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: you might benefit from test packages, but probably not worth it right now.
[20:38] <ahoneybun[m]> Sorry looking at a wedding venue.
[20:40] <mmikowski> hey ahoneybun[m], you gotta focus on what's important in life! You can get back to that wedding stuff later! ;)
[20:40] <mmikowski> Seriously though, if you're getting married, congrats@
 "arraybolt3: Do you want to test..." <- Yes, very much so.
[20:46] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll add it and try it out.
 "ahoneybun It should also be..." <- Once the packages are officially released, I'll be able to remove the PPA for safety, right?
[20:47] <mmikowski> arraybolt3[m]: Right.
[20:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice, I'll add it and reboot.
[20:47] <mmikowski> I have a list of open issues for the upgrade.
[20:47] <mmikowski> hold it hoss!
[20:47] <mmikowski> Just be careful!
[20:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, OK.
[20:48] <mmikowski> if you see the upgrade trying to remove anything but 4 replaced libraries, it *will* hose your system, and not in a nice way :P
[20:48] <arraybolt3[m]> lol, don't worry, I can unbreak things if they seriously shatter on me, but I'll hold it and wait.
[20:48] <arraybolt3[m]> K, got it.
[20:49] <mmikowski> Oh, no, I'm not saying you have to wait for anything, I was just suggesting you carefully review the update before squeezing the trigger.
[20:49] <mmikowski> :)
[20:49] <arraybolt3[m]> I probably would have noticed it about to blow up... but I shattered a Debian Sid VM once because I failed to check :P
[20:50] <mmikowski> Here's what should be REMOVED:
[20:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Worst case scenario I would have just reinstalled, and the setup system is fast enough that wouldn't have been too painful.
[20:50] <mmikowski> just 4 libs, looking them up right now.
[20:50] <mmikowski> oh of course!
[20:51] <mmikowski> I just wanted to help save you some trouble based on personal experience.
[20:51] <arraybolt3[m]> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[20:51] <arraybolt3[m]>   libkf5screen7 libkwineffects13 libkwinglutils13
[20:51] <arraybolt3[m]> End of list.
[20:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Looks fairly safe to me.
[20:51] <mmikowski> Right, thats it.
[20:51] <mmikowski> You should be golden!
[20:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
[20:51] <mmikowski> hahaha
[20:52] <mmikowski> Just one relog away after the install.
[20:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Looks like it's trucking along. I know from experience that Plasma updates can make things go a bit haywire, so I'm going to close up shop until I can reboot and then be back. If you don't hear from me until day after tomorrow... you'll know what happened :P
[20:53] <ahoneybun[m]> mmikowski: not yet but yes I am.
[20:53]  * ahoneybun[m] uploaded an image: (237KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/wQfsJxLEsXMGdOhJiXLMxYnQ/PXL_20230310_203737384.jpg >
[20:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (That experience mainly being from fighting with KDE nuclear_explosion... ER... neon, which had a tendency to go crazy during full recompiles.)
[20:54] <mmikowski> again, congrats! Getting married was one of the best decisions of my life.
[20:55] <mmikowski> If you don't expect too much, you will almost always be delightfully surprised, and I was.
[20:55] <mmikowski> ^ ahoneybun[m]
[20:56] <mmikowski> ahoneybun[m]: I'm not seeing elvis anywhere though ...
[20:57] <arraybolt3[m]> ahoneybun[m]: Wow, congratulations, and may all go well!
[20:58] <ahoneybun[m]> Elvis was at her first wedding lol
[20:58] <ahoneybun[m]> He's not invited this time.
[21:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, unpacking stage started, 👋
[21:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Still alive!
[21:07] <arraybolt3[m]> KDE Plasma version is 5.27.2, looks like it worked!
[21:40] <clivejo> arraybolt3[m]: on Lunar?
[21:40] <arraybolt3[m]> clivejo: Jammy.
[21:41] <clivejo> ah ok
[23:21] <valorie> @ahoneybun[m] - pretty! When are you thinking of tying the knot, and am I invited?
 "@ahoneybun[m] - pretty! When are..." <- 4/20/24 and yes but didn't know if you wanted to travel.
[23:34] <valorie> I've been trying to plan to visit y'all for three years
[23:36] <valorie> and I want to make Thomas take a bit of time off and drive around CO a bit with me
[23:36] <valorie> I've been to Manitou Springs as a teen and really nothing else except the Denver airport
[23:37] <valorie> oh, and driving the lonely road between Nebraska and Denver, which I really liked
[23:38] <valorie> a few hundred miles where the only sign a human had been there was the road, some fences and the occasional oil rig
[23:38] <valorie> everyone else thought it was boring; I loved the peacefulness
[23:59] <valorie> I also want to visit the grave of one of my second-great-grandfathers


[09:44] <burtontrail> hey guys out there
[09:44] <burtontrail> got a question
[09:45] <burtontrail> at turning up my pc sometimes there is a check of drives
[09:45] <burtontrail> any one knowes how to deactivate?
[09:47] <ikonia> burtontrail: hi there
[09:48] <burtontrail> hi
[09:48] <ikonia> burtontrail: your actually not in the #ubuntu support channel but the ubuntu operators channel, it looks like you've been forwarded here, if you can give me a minute I'll look into it
[09:49] <burtontrail> damn
[09:49] <burtontrail> ok which channel do i have to join?
[09:49] <burtontrail> can you look up for me?
[09:49] <ikonia> well #ubuntu is the correct channel, but I suspect you're on a forward.
[09:50] <ikonia> if you an hang on a minute I'm looking into it now
[09:50] <ikonia> interesting, I can't see any ban reference for you. Could you try to join #ubuntu channel please
[09:51] <burtontrail> yes
[09:52] <burtontrail> thank you
[09:52] <burtontrail> bb
[13:18] <Pici> augh, I almost feel like giving up trying to make #ubuntu orderly with all these splits distracting people.
[13:21] <ikonia> not good
[13:21] <ikonia> Pici: keep with it, soon be done
[13:51] <Pici> Does anyone have a template or a stock reply for people contacting them via launchpad via email for support?
[13:51] <gnomefreak> not me
[13:54] <elky> Pici, it's called /dev/null/
[13:55] <elky> er. s/null\//null/
[13:57] <elky> Pici,  mean, i know, but i'm totally not listed there as a free technical support service, so it's kind of unsolicited.
[14:30] <ikonia> these splits are getting stupid
[15:26] <Pici> Would anyone find a mass-unban tool handy if it was a bantracker feature? Like you could somehow select a bunch of old bans and it would give you the relevant /mode -bbbb $1 $2 $3 $4 /mode -bb $5 $6 code?
[15:29] <nalioth> Pici: some 'old bans' are 'good bans'
[15:29] <Kottizen> This is right place for me :D
[15:30] <nalioth> Pici: we just need folks to clean up after themselves (ban wise)
[15:30] <nalioth> Kottizen: what can we do for you today?
[15:30] <Kottizen> nalioth: oh nothing, i just looked inside here :D
[15:30] <Pici> nalioth: I mean just for cleaning things up, not automatic old-ban-removal.
[15:30] <nalioth> Kottizen: make sure you read our exciting /topic  :)
[15:31] <Pici> For example, I typically go through the bantracker, put all the masks of the bans I want to remove into a file and then run it through a script that gives me the /mode -bbb lines
[15:32]  * Pici thinks about it, also maybe some 'reminder' system for looking at bans that should be removed.
[15:35] <Kottizen> nalioth: ok
[15:40] <jussi01> !idle | Kottizen
[15:40] <ikonia> Pici: the script Myritti uses is goo
[15:40] <Kottizen> jussi01: ok
[15:41] <ikonia> good
[15:47] <jussi01> !ops | IRCC meeting Sunday 9th 0700 UTC! Be there or be square!
[15:48]  * ikonia notes utc
[15:49] <jussi01> ikonia: :)
[15:49] <jrib> yeah umm why so early...
[15:49] <jussi01> jrib: its a time when most of the iRCC members can make it.
[15:53] <jussi01> jrib: remembering we have members on most continents...
[15:59] <Pici> Its hip to be square
[16:00] <popey> didnt work too well last week :)
[16:00] <jussi01> popey: well there were unforseen circumstances. these things happen
[16:06] <popey> sure, point being no time guarantees everyone arriving
[16:06] <jussi01> zigactly
[16:45] <ikonia> king ?
[16:55] <Pici> Meeting time :/
[17:11] <popey> .n
[17:11] <popey> gah
[17:23] <mneptok> eeesh. midnight.
[17:23]  * mneptok will have to caffeinate, or pass.
[17:28] <nalioth> handled
[17:29] <Pici> nalioth: safe to remove the ban then?
[17:29] <nalioth> for that IP, i reckon
[17:36] <mneptok> !away > zargonovski
[18:36] <genii> Hm
[18:36] <Pici> No for factoid request #1
[18:37] <Pici> No reason to suggest to people to install stuff from source, especially if you only give them the svn url.
[19:12] <Amaranth> yay no disconnects for 17 hours, I'm officially fixed
[19:14]  * mneptok blinks
[19:14] <mneptok> errrr .... i hope you don't mean "fixed" in the "my cat is fixed" sense.
[19:14] <Pici> I don't think he would start that sentence with 'yay' if it did.
[19:20] <Flannel> Pici: Unless he didn't want to have any more kittens
[19:49]  * genii sips
[19:53]  * Gary giggles
[20:08] <jpds> @login
[20:08] <jpds> Someone really needs to fix ubottu so that that^^ works in /msg.
[20:15] <Slart> #ubuntu is getting weird.. you might want to make an appearance there
[20:15] <ikonia> looking
[20:16] <nalioth> opisafaggot, ikonia
[20:17] <ikonia> talking to him in pm
[20:17] <ikonia> I see him
[20:18] <ikonia> gone
[20:18] <ikonia> he never responded and is logged out
[20:18] <ikonia> ahh no, he's install-x
[20:18] <ikonia> I assume that was changed at your request
[20:18] <nalioth> not mine
[20:19]  * nalioth smells mutton
[20:19] <ikonia> oh, nickspoon in -ot
[20:19] <nickspoon> Tja.
[20:19] <ikonia> icarus appears to be the same person as opisafaggot
[20:20] <ikonia> now Guest66384
[20:20] <ikonia> I wonder if icarus=ikonia and opisafaggot is a hint ?
[20:20] <ikonia> (as they are the same person and there appears to be a message)
[20:21] <nalioth> he's nick-hopping, ikonia
[20:21] <ikonia> I've just put it together, sorry
[23:07] <rww> HarborMasta, who just joined #ubuntu-offtopic, has previously joined as Grenfell, who's banned under several other IP addresses as Grexo and was previously abusing Freenode's Java client and iirc banned for that, too.
[23:10] <rww> Oh, and it appears that Grenfell was using the ident "HarborMa" a few times, including when Pici kicked him for ban evasion recently.
[23:14]  * Pici sighs
[23:15] <Pricey> rww: Thanks, we'll watch the channel further.
[23:16] <rww> Alrighty. Thanks :)
[23:18] <Pici> Pricey: Have you made contact? If not I'm going to ask him to join here.
[23:18] <Pricey> Pici: I haven't yet, no. There was a little kerfuffle in #freenode earlier regarding him, he mentioned it in -ot infact.
[23:21] <HarborMasta> you added a ?
[23:21] <HarborMasta> whats up
[23:21] <Pici> Are you aware that you are evading a ban currently?
[23:21] <HarborMasta> what ban?
[23:22]  * Pici blinks
[23:22] <Pici> Well, I thought I'd be nice about it...
[23:25] <genii> Pici: Fast response time there


[05:53] <jdub> hi savs
[05:53] <savs> hi there
[05:53] <jdub> just got the email? :)
[05:53] <savs> yup ;)
[05:54] <jdub> you're the first to hit the channel ;)
[05:54] <savs> just cancelled the downloads of gentoo and sarge i was doing. you caught me on a distro day ;)
[05:54] <jdub> how timely :)
[05:54] <savs> (got novell's suse sampler a couple of days ago, been playing with that all weekend)
[05:56] <savs> hmm, need a faster connection ;)
[06:05] <savs> jdub: it's not clear from your emails etc. whether it's ok to talk in public about this?
[06:07] <daf> jdub: that looks like another candidate for the FAQ
[06:08] <jdub> yeah
[06:28] <jdub> savs: we'd kinda like to keep it quiet ;)
[06:28] <jdub> i've updated the FAQ page on the wiki
[06:33] <savs> jdub: no problem, i'll keep quiet except for bugging thom ;-)
[06:33] <jdub> that's what we do ;)
[06:33] <savs> heh
[06:34] <jdub> but you've got this channel, the wiki, the mailing list, bug tracker, etc., etc.
[07:14] <thom> AHR!
[07:15] <Keybuk> Ahoy! me 'earties! ya savvie?
[08:01] <savs> hi thom
[08:28] <mjg59> jdub: Can you sort me out a wiki account?
[09:40] <Keybuk> mjg59: you just click UserPreferences and create one ...
[09:45] <thom> heyhi
[09:51] <savs> hey
[09:51] <jdub> yo whiprush
[09:51] <savs> so - what sort of feedback do you guys want on the prerelease?
[09:52] <jdub> stuff you think is missing, stuff not working, etc. :-)
[09:52] <savs> k
[09:54] <thom> how much jdub sucks
[09:55] <savs> heh. and what a pita thom is? ;)
[09:55] <jdub> indeed :)
[09:57] <thom> and how silly jdub's beard is
[09:58] <savs> eh, so it doesn't support wireless networks properly ... no way to specify SSID and WEP key ?
[09:58] <mjg59> Keybuk: I can't access the wiki at all - it throws http auth at me
[09:58] <Keybuk> oh
[09:58] <Keybuk> sounders, oink
[09:58] <mjg59> Ah, got it
[10:11] <whiprush> jdub: hello
[10:11] <whiprush> just finishing up my first install
[10:11] <jdub> cool - pleased?
[10:12] <whiprush> yeah so far.
[10:12] <whiprush> still upgrading packages
[10:14] <dieman> hey all.
[10:15] <Keybuk> hey Scott
[10:15] <jdub> nice domain ;)
[10:16] <whiprush> so you guys want installation reports on the list or anything?
[10:17] <jdub> yes please
[10:17] <whiprush> k
[10:17] <jdub> though we have made some changes that are not yet built on cd
[10:18] <jdub> (you might want to rsync against the latest daily to try it)
[10:18] <whiprush> k
[10:18] <dieman> I'll probally not touch it until monday, is my guess -- might as well get paid to look at it ;)
[10:19] <dieman> but its excellent timing, i was about to start getting sarge stablized for deployment at work, this gives me something else to look at and figure out what to go with.
[10:19] <jdub> cool
[10:19] <Kamion> hey dieman, good to see you
[10:19] <dieman> Kamion: nice to see you too.
[10:20] <whiprush> hmmm, is an rsync source in sources.list possible or should I just sync by hand?
[10:21] <dieman> wow, tracking gnome 2.8
[10:21] <dieman> that might be good enough reason.
[10:22] <whiprush> cool, user account in the audio group by default. finally!
[10:24] <dieman> heh, we've been using a horribly insecure pam module to deal with permissions issues
[10:24] <dieman> afair, linux 2.6 has the feature to make that module secure
[10:24] <dieman> but i haven't looked into it
[10:25] <jdub> mmm, mdz was talking about that a couple of days ago
[10:25] <jdub> we might take advantage of that at some stage
[10:25] <whiprush> is this utopia out of the box?
[10:26] <jdub> it's largely utopia compliant, yeah :)
[10:26] <whiprush> ok
[10:26] <Kamion> apt does support rsync I believe, although I'm not sure it's really very useful over just using http
[10:26] <whiprush> it passes the "mount my usb key without configuring anything" test. way cool.
[10:26] <Kamion> where sources.list is concerned, that is
[10:26] <Kamion> obviously it rocks for cd images
[10:27] <dieman> hmm
[10:28] <dieman> im going to have to compare our packages list to the seeds.
[10:28] <dieman> and figure out whats left over
[10:28] <jdub> dieman: ooh, please post to the mailing list when you do
[10:28] <dieman> i can just about gaurantee its smaller than the list of stuff im maintaining as backports locally.
[10:28] <dieman> jdub: sure
[10:30] <jdub> dieman: just working out how we can make an easy to use list of all our supported packages for you to compare against -> easier than comparing with the seeds ;)
[10:30] <dieman> heh, i'm going to have to put another shout-out about nis. :)
[10:30] <dieman> i dont mind having to support nis locally, though
[10:31] <dieman> its a fairly self-standing package.
[10:32] <dieman>  discover1 # joey_h says we absolutely need this, hotplug isn't enough <-- woo!
[10:33] <dieman> i'll have to see after I install it how the hotplug/discover interactions work too :)
[10:33] <daf> Kamion: I don't believe APT does support rsync
[10:33] <jdub> dieman: we basically disable discover
[10:33] <dieman> jdub: ahh, ok
[10:33] <dieman> i'll have to do some looking into hotplug then.
[10:35] <dieman> well, cool, this is a ton of information to pour over.
[10:36] <Kamion> daf: I think I was thinking of ssh
[10:36] <Kamion> dieman: there's a pkg-diff tool ...
[10:37] <Kamion> (in germinate source)
[10:37] <Kamion> (which you probably don't have access to, hmm)
[10:44] <daf> there was some noise about it some time ago, I believe, but nothing came of it
[11:17] <whiprush> ok, I posted my installation report to the list.


[00:51] <Ludlow> Hola
[00:51] <Ludlow> anyone dere?
[00:52] <Ludlow> breathing?
[00:52] <Ludlow> alive?
[00:52] <Ludlow> !lubuntu
[00:53] <Unit193> !ask
[00:53] <Unit193> Howdy.
[00:55] <Ludlow> I just figured out how to remove a desk app icon from lxde menu.
[00:55] <Ludlow> Thanks anyways :)
[00:56] <Unit193> Heh, sure.  You can also try out menulibre, it's the menu editor that will be in the raring repos.
[00:56] <Ludlow> awsome.  For some reason dead icon dont want to remove themselves from lxde :(
[00:57] <Unit193> Are you talking about something being stuck in cache?
[00:57] <Ludlow> yeah I remmoved gunmeric and the icon is still stuck in the menu
[00:58] <Ludlow> I already removed the gnumeric.desktop, but its still in the menu
[00:59] <Unit193> .cache/menus/ may want to look in there.
[00:59] <Unit193> Ludlow: What file did you modify?
[01:00] <Ludlow> I removed the gnumeric.desktop from /usr/share/applications/
[01:01] <Ludlow> I cant find menulibre either
[01:06] <Ludlow> is this correct?  sudo apt-get ppa:menulibre-dev/devel?
[01:06] <Ludlow> is this correct?  sudo apt-get -repository ppa:menulibre-dev/devel?
[01:09] <Ludlow> nevermind I went the other way to install menulibre. thanks
[01:46] <okabi> Has anyone else had the problem with gpicview where you zoom in the image and you try to move it around but gpicview resets the position right back to the center?
[01:47] <Unit193> Yep.
[01:47] <Unit193> Try restritto?
[01:48] <Unit193> !info ristretto
[01:48] <okabi> Haha.
[01:48] <okabi> Thanks, I'mma try it.
[03:54] <PlastikSpork> Trying to get Google Chrome to open Deluge when clicking on Magnet Link... Right now it just opens up another Chrome Browser window.  So far I have tried this: http://tinyurl.com/8jc2us2 and http://tinyurl.com/d5odytc
[04:14] <holstein> PlastikSpork: you cant just grab the URL and dump it in manually?
[04:16] <holstein> PlastikSpork: are you sure the default browser is set properly? try setting it to chrome with the terminal command "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser"
[04:16] <Unit193> You can with deluge, but nicer to click I'd guess.  (I don't know chrome.)
[04:17] <holstein> im just not sure what the issue is.. im just seeing a screenshot of a few ask ubuntu pages
[05:09] <PlastikSpork> holstein, yes i can dump it manually but I would be nice to get it working.  It works fine with Firefox
[05:10] <holstein> PlastikSpork: and you set the default browser?
[05:11] <Unit193> PlastikSpork: And you followed both links?
[05:11] <PlastikSpork> holstein, doing that right now... 2 options for chrome... auto mode and manual
[05:12] <PlastikSpork> Unitl93, yes i followed both... Unless I'm missing something
[05:14] <Unit193> xdg-mime default deluge.desktop x-scheme-handler/magnet  too?
[05:14] <PlastikSpork> yup
[05:17] <Unit193> xdg-open "magnetlinkher"  does what for you?
[05:18] <PlastikSpork> what is magnetlinkher
[05:18] <Unit193> magnet link here
[05:19] <PlastikSpork> ahh hold on
[05:19] <Unit193> With quotes.
[05:20] <Unit193> That opens deluge for me, as it should.
[05:21] <PlastikSpork> LOL, it opens a new chrome window!
[05:22] <Unit193> You log out and back in since setting it to deluge?
[05:22] <PlastikSpork> yes
[05:23] <PlastikSpork> Ok since xdg-open is set to open up chrome... who do you change xdg-open?
[05:24] <PlastikSpork> with: xdg-mime default deluge.desktop x-scheme-handler/magnet   Is this what changes the xdg-open to use deluge?
[05:24] <Unit193> So I have MimeType=application/x-bittorrent;x-scheme-handler/magnet;  in /usr/share/applications/deluge.desktop too, and I have run update-desktop-database since.
[05:25] <PlastikSpork> Hold on I will check the deluge.desktop file.
[05:26] <Unit193> It's default.
[05:27] <PlastikSpork> yes I have that as well.. and I've run update-desktop-database as well... Hold on I have to go do something really quick for my job, ill be back in 10 min.
[05:34] <PlastikSpork> ok back.
[05:39] <Unit193> In deluge, I recommend you disable the appindicator option, but as far as chrome goes...  That line I pasted should just do it, and does for me.
[05:39] <Unit193> PlastikSpork: Could try a new user login, see if a clean slate helps.
[05:40] <PlastikSpork> the mimeapps.list had this entry....[Default Applications]
[05:40] <PlastikSpork> x-scheme-handler/magnet=deluge.desktop
[05:40] <Unit193> (Just tested it too.)
[05:42] <PlastikSpork> I will try new user later...
[05:42] <Unit193> Sorry I couldn't help.
[05:49] <PlastikSpork> It's all good.   After I gave up on Xubuntu, I wanted to try Lubuntu to fix up an old PC. When I boot up the installer, it simply blackscreens. The computer's GPU is a Silicon Integrated. Can anyone help?
[18:56] <Bus_08-10> I am having a problem installing Rigs of Rods. I can get everything installed except ogre library. Can anyone help me?
[20:20] <subman> How is the Lubuntu UEFI installation working out?  Does it work?
[20:21] <Unit193>  Quantal 64bit should work just fine with UEFI.
[20:21] <Unit193> !uefi
[20:23] <subman> Yeah, that didn't work out so will with Ubuntu
[20:24] <Unit193> Worked pretty well when I did it the once.
[20:24] <Myrtti> well it depends on what kind of uefi you're talking about, if I'm not mistaken
[20:25] <Myrtti> or rather, what mode it is in
[20:25] <Unit193> That is true, but secure should be fine as well.
[20:26] <Myrtti> if you can't get it to work with Ubuntu, it's unlikely it would with Lubuntu, as the base system is the same.
[20:33] <subman> This UEFI is a nightmare
[20:33] <subman> How is the average user supposed to do this?
[20:36] <subman> Sorry, I don't mean to rant here
[20:46] <zleap> subman, hmm contact the spanisj lug who are taking this issue to court,  at least to add weight to the cause
[20:48] <subman> I hope so.
[20:50] <zleap> not sure how they will get on
[20:50] <zleap> the sooner we are rid of microsoft the better,
[20:50] <Unit193> Though, this is getting a little offtopic.
[20:51] <zleap> yeah but it is an issue that is getting more serious
[20:52] <zleap> subman is there not some sort of option to turn off secure boot
[20:52] <zleap> oh hes gone
[23:30] <Vivekananda> hey there
[23:30] <Vivekananda> anyone here


[01:11] <rockets> What update manager does xubuntu come with
[01:11] <rockets> regular update-manager?
[01:12] <The-Kernel> yeah
[01:17] <rockets> cool
[01:21] <rockets> God damn it I don't need punjabi fonts.
[01:26] <Ben_Cs> is vmware best prog for virtualising or is there a better one?
[01:27] <Ben_Cs> oh vmware isn't free
[01:27] <Ben_Cs> what's free?
[01:31] <retardo> greetings,
[01:31] <malarame> hello
[01:32] <retardo> i have a little printer question
[01:33] <retardo> will my brother DCP-115 work with xubuntu ?
[01:37] <retardo> ??
[01:38] <malarame> have you looked at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=488016&highlight=dcp-115
[01:38] <malarame> i don't know if that'll work on xubuntu or not
[01:41] <retardo> i'll have a look.. thanks
[01:42] <brenton_> I'm using an Nividia riva 128 chip (very old) and it looks like my install is using software rendering (direct rendering is off). Would getting direct rendering on improve my performance when i'm in X?
[01:43] <spaz> hey
[01:43] <spaz> i'm trying to remove the top panel in xfce (I use gutsy)
[01:43] <spaz> but every time i try, it segfaults
[01:43] <malarame> brenton_: i'm not sure, but i'd say just try it and see
[01:43] <spaz> both panels disappear
[01:44] <spaz> and then i have to restart it by pressing alt-f2 and typing xfce4-panel
[01:44] <spaz> any ideas how to get rid of it another way then what i've been doing?
[01:44] <spaz> (basically the customize panel option in the menu you get from right clicking the panel)
[01:46] <brenton_> malarame, my main problem is i can't seem to find a driver for it. I tried the restricted drivers, but it doesn't detect. The card is from 1998, and the machine is 400mhz, so I was hoping i might get a bit better desktop performance, but getting a driver for the card on here looks like it's going to be a bit of work
[01:47] <brenton_> the only driver i can find that specifically mentions it is for suse linux
[01:47] <malarame> hmm
[01:47] <malarame> i don't know then
[01:47] <xork> spaz: i heard about that bug in gutsy, i don't think it's been resolved yet
[01:47] <spaz> :-(
[01:48] <xork> :(
[01:48] <malarame> someone who knows more than me will have to help you out
[01:50] <xork> spaz: try
[01:50] <spaz> xork, try what?
[01:50] <spaz> to help you?
[01:50] <spaz> my hardware isn't as aincent as yours, though it is quite old
[01:50] <xork> spaz: try looking in ~/.config/xfce4/panel/panels.xml
[01:50] <spaz> i haven't had graphics card problems though
[01:50] <spaz> oh
[01:50] <spaz> hmm
[01:52] <xork> i only have one panel listed there
[01:52] <xork> so if you have two, could try removing one
[01:52] <xork> backup first ;)
[01:53] <spaz> thanks xork :-)
[01:54] <xork> np
[01:54] <xork> it's the way to go ;)
[01:54] <spaz> indeed
[01:54] <spaz> KDE started getting too bloated for my tastes
[01:54] <spaz> my load averages were around 10 seconds :-s
[01:54] <malarame> i didn't like gnome or kde when i tried them
[01:55] <spaz> i liked KDE, but it seemed to look uglier over time (and of course, the aformentioned heaviness)
[01:55] <malarame> it is very ugly
[01:55] <Pumpernickel> brenton_: Older nVidia cards like the Rivas require the nvidia-glx-legacy driver.
[01:55] <spaz> you should see my old desktop :-s
[01:55] <spaz> i liked it at first, it got old fast though
[01:56] <malarame> and i khate khow kthey kname kthings
[01:56] <spaz> all those krappy k puns?
[01:56] <malarame> it kpisses me off
[01:56] <spaz> lol
[01:56] <brenton_> Pumpernickel, what does it take to install that? And would i get a performance bump in normal computing from it?
[01:56] <malarame> when you're scrolling through a list of programs to find one, i personally like to be able to sort things alphabetically
[01:57] <malarame> it sorta defeats the whole purpose to have everything start with one letter
[01:57] <Pumpernickel> Unlikely, for CPU bound things.  You may notice an increase in interface responsiveness.
[01:57] <brenton_> Yeah, the main thing that's killing me now is a sluggish interface
[01:57] <malarame> i have sluggish interface problems too, my xorg process takes up a ton of my processor whenever i do anything
[01:58] <spaz> O_o
[01:58] <spaz> ouch
[01:58] <malarame> especially moving or resizing windows or scrolling windows
[01:58] <malarame> seriously, xorg jumps to 100% cpu and everything slows to a crawl
[01:58] <brenton_> yeah, i'm pretty much looking for anything that can speed that up. xgears pukes on this thing, which  is sad
[02:00] <brenton_> Pumpernickel, do you know where i could download this driver?
[02:00] <Pumpernickel> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[02:00] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29 (feisty), package size 2992 kB, installed size 9780 kB
[02:00] <brenton_> thanks
[02:01] <xork> dumb q: how do you move out of a full-screen app? alt-tab works with full screen wine applications, but not native ones
[02:05] <spaz> lol
[02:05] <spaz> i can see why they call him retardo ;-)
[02:05] <spaz> j/k of course
[02:08] <brenton_> Pumpernickel, now that i've installed, and run  "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable", do I just restart to get it working?
[02:13] <brenton_> thanks everybody, i'm going to try a restart
[02:28] <alnokta> why when i delete an html file, the accompanying folder isn't deleted?
[02:33] <kalikiana_> Why when you delete an image, another image with a similar name isn't deleted?
[02:33] <kalikiana_> alnokta, You'Re asking weird questions.
[02:33] <kalikiana_> If you want a file to be removed, so do it.
[02:34] <alnokta> ;) .. when you save an html page with images and css and all..it creates a folder along with it..the logical thing is to get that folder deleted when the page is deleted
[02:36] <kalikiana_> This sounds logical in that case - provided you expect it to happen. I would not like that to happen personally.
[02:37] <kalikiana_> I don't consider my computer intelligent enough to read my mind.
[02:46] <Pumpernickel> If it were represented as a single archive, maybe.  Since it isn't, it would break consistency with how the rest of the filesystem is handled.
[02:49] <alnokta> okay, just something windows does and i considered as a convenience ..
[03:56] <spaz> heyloo
[03:56] <spaz> how do i lock xfce's session?
[03:57] <spaz> and please be quick, i have to use the bathroom and there are annoying kids who will mess with everything while i'm out :-x
[04:15] <cellofellow> darnit. Where is cheeseboy when you need him?
[04:18] <spaz> cellofellow, do you know how to lock Xfce's session?
[04:20] <cellofellow> spaz: use xscreensaver
[04:21] <spaz> hmm
[04:21] <cellofellow> I think ctrl+alt+del is bound to xflock4, which by default uses xscreensaver.
[04:22] <spaz> xflock4 is exactly what i was looking for
[04:22] <spaz> thanks
[04:22] <spaz> brb
[04:22] <cellofellow> spaz: add to the panel and Action Button, and in the Properties of that button, choose Lock instead of Quit. Put it next to the Quit button.
[04:31] <spaz> thanks cellofellow :-)
[04:31] <cellofellow> :D
[04:31] <cellofellow> No problemo.
[04:32] <spaz> you saved my session (and my underwear :-P)
[04:36] <erz-> hi all :)
[04:36] <erz-> i want to move to xfce, i have kubuntu edgy. fresh install. what i have to do ?
[04:37] <cellofellow> install xubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <cellofellow> and then, if you want to get rid of KDE, remove kubuntu-desktop and all its dependancies.
[04:40] <erz-> thx, with remove kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:44] <alnokta> is there a program that can save me from entering the password everytime?
[04:57] <rici> you can enable autologin
[04:57] <rici> system | login window
[04:58] <alnokta> no i mean when starting something like services, synaptic etc.
[05:01] <foxray> isn't there supposed to be transparency abilities on the xfce toolbars in xubuntu?
[05:07] <xork> you have to turn on compositing
[05:07] <foxray> ah
[05:07] <xork> settings/window manager tweaks
[05:07] <foxray> it takes some getting use to, i just migrated from fluxbox
[05:22] <xork> *nod*
[05:22] <xork> it's good stuff, though :)
[05:38] <erz-> lol i go in 1280x1024 and nothing apperas on the screen
[05:49] <cellofel1ow> hi
[05:53] <cellofel1ow> brb
[06:09] <Armadillio> HOLY CRAP GUYS I FUCKED UP MY STUFF
[06:09] <Armadillio> Anyone ever have panel problems before?
[06:17] <Armadillio> ...anyone?
[06:18] <Armadillio> My top panel won't autohide (I think because of Beryl) anymore, and I'm afraid if I turn off my box and back on my panels will freeze again and I won't be able to access anything.
[06:22] <Armadillio> sorry guys my client had to reset
[06:22] <Armadillio> any answers? I'm afraid
[06:31] <Armadillio> oh guys someone has to be here
[06:39] <Armadillio> :(
[06:40] <xork> you can always hit alt-f2
[06:41] <xork> and run xfce4-panel
[06:41] <xork> if you don't have any panels
[06:42] <xork> and panel config file is located at ~/.config/xfce4/panel/panels.xml
[06:47] <divra> just updated from dapper to edgy, I'm missing the "control bar" at the top of the screen.  Any Idea's?
[06:49] <Armadillio> control bar? could you explain that...? i've probably never used it, unless you mean the top panel.
[06:49] <divra> yeah
[06:50] <divra> with the application menu and the system menu
[06:50] <Armadillio> i'm not sure. i'm having panel troubles myself, but no one else apparently wants to talk
[06:50] <Armadillio> you should try going to the bottom panel and right clicking it and pressing "customize panel"
[06:51] <divra> I have no bottom panel either
[06:51] <divra> I have the four desktops with icons but no menus
[06:51] <Armadillio> ...how did you manage to get on an irc client then?
[06:51] <Armadillio> are they just blank bars?
[06:51] <divra> I'm on my windows machine
[06:52] <divra> No, there is nothing
[06:52] <Armadillio> so your not on Xubuntu?
[06:52] <Armadillio> alright, forget that.
[06:52] <xork> hit alt-f2
[06:52] <Armadillio> your best chance would be to just get a new edgy .iso and give it a fresh install with edgy, no upgrading through the net.
[06:52] <divra> ok, I have the four terminal screens, f1 ~ f4
[06:53] <xork> run xfce-panel
[06:53] <xork> if your panels are not configured right
[06:53] <xork> edit ~/.config/xfce4/panel/panels.xml
[06:53] <Armadillio> it told me there was no such document or program...
[06:53] <xork> er sorry run xfce4-panel
[06:54] <Armadillio> still failed
[06:54] <Armadillio> wait nvm
[06:54] <Armadillio> augh, it still won't autohide
[06:54] <xork> you can set autohide in panels.xml
[06:54] <xork> if you're running beryl i have noidea
[06:55] <xork> beryl screws with that stuff
[06:55] <xork> use xfce4's compositing instead ;)
[06:55] <divra> I get a bash no run found
[06:55] <divra> error
[06:56] <xork> don't type "run xfce4-panel:"
[06:56] <xork> just "xfce4-panel"
[06:56] <divra> oh, duh
[06:56] <Armadillio> thats what i did
[06:56] <divra> not found
[06:57] <xork> hm, should be
[06:57] <xork> you can always sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel, then try again ;)
[06:59] <Armadillio> it says i already have it...
[06:59] <xork> that's for divra
[06:59] <xork> you already have your panels running, right?
[06:59] <Armadillio> yes... but they've decided to stop autohiding
[06:59] <xork> but you're running beryl?
[07:00] <Armadillio> i was, but I can switch to the default if needed
[07:00] <xork> try that
[07:00] <Armadillio> ok, switched, here i go...
[07:00] <Armadillio> nope, it still does it
[07:02] <Armadillio> bleh. does xfce seem to break to often for other people as well?
[07:02] <xork> i've never had it breka
[07:02] <Armadillio> i'm afraid that if I shut down my box and turn it back on, my panels will disapeer and I won't remember the commands
[07:02] <Armadillio> likew last time
[07:07] <divra> ok
[07:07] <divra> This is what I got
[07:07] <divra> Gke-Warning Can't open displa
[07:07] <divra> display
[07:09] <Armadillio> we're screwed, lets face it
[07:09] <divra> no
[07:09] <divra> never screwed
[07:10] <divra> the machine is working great
[07:10] <xork> divra: i don't know what to tell you, never had xfce4-panel not start for me
[07:10] <divra> it's just missing the menu
[07:10] <xork> divra: #ubuntu is much more active if nobody else here is alive
[07:12] <divra> I'm just going to try going from edgy to feisty
[07:13] <divra> maybe something that got missed in the edgy install will get replaced with feisty
[07:13] <divra> ??
[07:13] <Armadillio> good luck, gods speed
[07:28] <divra> how do I remove xfce4-panel?
[07:29] <divra> most everything I'm doing now says Gtk-Warning
[09:14] <DuClare> is there an xfce application with which I can change UI settings for kde applications.. (font size)
[09:17] <alnokt0a> DuClare, there is User interface settings, but it will change globally
[09:17] <DuClare> I tried the UI settings, it seems like it worked for gnome apps
[09:17] <DuClare> but kde apps still have those blinding huge fonts
[09:18] <alnokt0a> yes i know how you feel :)
[09:18] <alnokt0a> i'm on  600x800 ;)
[09:18] <DuClare> I can't understand why the default fonts are so gigantic. :)
[09:18] <DuClare> it actually looks very messy
[09:18] <DuClare> when the text is too thick
[09:21] <alnokt0a> now i'm using dejavu sans .. 8 .. little hard to read .. but better
[09:21] <DuClare> sans 6 here
[09:21] <DuClare> 7 on the xubuntu machine I think
[09:22] <DuClare> (I installed xubuntu for my sister)
[09:22] <DuClare> the funny thing is, the font selector dialog doesn't have sizes below 8 in the list
[09:23] <DuClare> but you can just type in the number manually
[09:23] <DuClare> and it works just fine
[09:23] <DuClare> :)
[09:29] <alnokt0a> really .. nice
[09:40] <alnokt0a> when postfix receives messages..how can i read them?
[09:43] <TheSheep> DuClare: that's on purpose -- you are not supposed to be using fonts smaller than 9pt normally
[09:44] <TheSheep> DuClare: books normally use 12pt, pocket books -- 10pt
[09:45] <DuClare> for whatever reason, the fonts are just too big for me when it's 9 or so
[09:45] <TheSheep> DuClare: set your dpi correctly
[09:45] <TheSheep> DuClare: for example, set your monitor physical dimensions in xorg.conf
[10:58] <carl> Hi, I've got a majoro problemo over here.. A couple of days ago I decided to install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage from the repos, but after reboot gnome just throws a lot of errors about trying to change non-writable files, and I also get the same with gnome-based programs from xfce. Xfce works alright, but I just wanted to play a little with it, not get stuck with it :s Can anyone help me to get my system back on track again?
[11:02] <TheSheep> carl: I doubt it's because of the xubuntu-desktop package
[11:02] <TheSheep> carl: did you play with rights to your home directory?
[11:04] <carl> TheSheep: nope
[11:04] <carl> all I did was to install xubuntu-desktop and reboot
[11:04] <TheSheep> carl: can you type 'dmesg | grep remount' in the terminal?
[11:05] <carl> gives nought
[11:05] <TheSheep> carl: 'mount' ?
[11:06] <carl> [   28.087889]  EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[11:06] <carl> [   39.402825]  EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[11:07] <TheSheep> carl: no, 'mount | grep home'
[11:07] <carl> aha
[11:08] <carl> /dev/hdb2 on /home type ext3 (rw)
[11:08] <TheSheep> ok, 'ls -ld ~'?
[11:09] <carl> drwxr-xr-x 86 carl carl 16384 2007-09-02 10:49 /home/carl
[11:09] <TheSheep> carl: 'df | grep home'?
[11:10] <carl> /dev/hdb2            201913448  55334516 136322236  29% /home
[11:10] <TheSheep> carl: do you have any free space on the / ?
[11:11] <TheSheep> carl: check with df
[11:11] <carl> ?
[11:11] <TheSheep> carl: type 'df' in the terminal and see if it says '100%' next to /
[11:12] <carl> /dev/hdb1             36527156   5295028  29376624  16% /
[11:12] <carl> so, no
[11:12] <TheSheep> carl: does it say which files are non-writable?
[11:12] <carl> nope
[11:13] <carl> hang on, I'll send you a screenshot of one I got from xchat in xfce, it's the same kind of error
[11:15] <filthpig> TheSheep: did you get the request?
[11:16] <filthpig> gone thinking? :)
[11:17] <TheSheep> filthpig: DCC can't connect to <IP_ADDRESS> port 1026
[11:18] <filthpig> o0
[11:18] <filthpig> hmf
[11:18] <TheSheep> filthpig: just upload it on imageshack or something
[11:18] <filthpig> aight, 2 secs
[11:20] <filthpig> http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=error2hi4.jpg
[11:22] <TheSheep> filthpig: that's not about files, it's about gconf
[11:23] <filthpig> k
[11:23] <TheSheep> filthpig: unfotunately I'm not familiar with the permission system of gconf
[11:23] <TheSheep> filthpig: it's like windows registry, only xml :/
[11:23] <TheSheep> filthpig: gnome's invention
[11:23] <filthpig> yep
[11:24] <TheSheep> filthpig: you're on gutsy?
[11:24] <filthpig> feisty
[11:25] <filthpig> could fine the iso for gutsy, lol
[11:25] <filthpig> erh
[11:25] <filthpig> couldn't find*
[11:25] <TheSheep> filthpig: it's not released yet
[11:25] <filthpig> not some alpha/beta/rc either?
[11:26] <TheSheep> filthpig: yes, there is tribe5 iso, I believe, on the testing page
[11:27] <filthpig> ok, I'll check it out some time.. Got too much on my hands this week :/
[11:27] <filthpig> it'll be an october release, right?
[11:27] <TheSheep> filthpig: gconf shouldn't break after installing xubuntu :/
[11:27] <TheSheep> filthpig: yes
[11:28] <filthpig> TheSheep: I know
[11:28] <filthpig> hm
[11:28] <TheSheep> filthpig: it never happened to me, and I did it several times
[11:28] <filthpig> but I suddenly came to think of something
[11:28] <TheSheep> filthpig: in feisty too
[11:30] <filthpig> gconf didn't let me edit the button positions in the window decoartion (close, maximize, minimize), so some guy told me to try a command
[11:30] <filthpig> I'll see if I can access my log from xchat and see what it was
[11:30] <filthpig> I think I've rebooted after he gave me that command without any probs, but I've got to check it anyway
[11:37] <filthpig> can't find the log o0
[11:38] <filthpig> dang, xchat isn't logging by default
[11:39] <filthpig> so no log
[11:39] <filthpig> but from what I remember it was something with chmod ... 600
[11:40] <filthpig> it was supposed to give me writing permits for gconf
[11:40] <filthpig> TheSheep: might that have had anything to do with it?
[11:45] <TheSheep> filthpig: probably
[11:52] <filthpig> bbiab
[12:20] <carl> ahoy TheSheep, I found the command :) chmod -R 600 ~/.gconf/
[12:24] <Filthpig> TheSheep: here are all my errors in all their glory ;) http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gnomerror2pa8.jpg
[12:27] <TheSheep> Filthpig: chmod -R 700 ~/.gconf/
[12:28] <Filthpig> with or without sudo?
[12:29] <TheSheep> Filthpig: without
[12:29] <TheSheep> Filthpig: doesn't matter
[12:29] <Filthpig> okay
[12:29] <TheSheep> Filthpig: the file should be owned by you anyways
[12:29] <TheSheep> s
[12:29] <Filthpig> i'll try rebooting, then
[12:33] <carl> and re :)
[12:33] <filthpig> now in gnome :D
[12:33] <filthpig> thanks a million, TheSheep :D
[12:44] <filthpig> brb
[03:32] <DuClare> does anybody know how to fix this error (while trying to start opera): opera: Module initialization failure. (-2036) ...
[03:32] <DuClare> works fine if run as root :o
[03:58] <admin__> Hi
[03:58] <admin__> New to this all
[04:00] <admin__> Phoenix Bios 1999, How do I instal XUbuntu KUbuntu. Intall Crashes with (initramsfs) prompt.
[04:01] <admin__> My 1st Atempt to instal Linux ever..
[04:03] <grazie> DuClare: You have set up a root account? Did you install opera with the root account?
[04:04] <DuClare> grazie, nah, I mean as root with sudo
[04:04] <grazie> admin__: Describe you system a bit more. How much ram & hard disk size?
[04:04] <admin__> Tx. 256MB Ram + PII 20GB H/Disk
[04:04] <grazie> DuClare: Not had any problems with opera myself
[04:05] <grazie> admin__: that's fine...what do mean by Xubuntu Kubuntu? It's either Xubuntu or Kubuntu
[04:05] <DuClare> that probably isn't important
[04:05] <admin__> Sorry half asleep from spending hours last night trying to sort this.
[04:05] <admin__> XUBUNTU
[04:06] <admin__> 7.04 i386 to be exact
[04:06] <admin__> DEsktop
[04:07] <grazie> admin__: no idea...sorry
[04:08] <admin__> Tx 4 trying
[04:08] <predaeus> !install | admin__
[04:08] <ubotu> admin__: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:09] <admin__> Tx
[04:09] <predaeus> probably 256MB is not enough for the regular installer (but better check yourself, I forgot). There is an alternative text installer (with wizard).
[04:10] <admin__> Tx. But can it instal on a Pre 2000 Bios
[04:11] <predaeus> I don't know.
[04:11] <DuClare> admin__, check out this too, no clue if it has anything to do with the prob you have but.. http://www.ubuntux.org/ubuntu-7-problem
[04:11] <DuClare> did you get anything else but (initramfs) ?
[04:11] <admin__> Tx
[04:11] <DuClare> you might want to try the alternate installer anyway..
[04:12] <grazie> admin__: so long as the bios can boot a cd image I don't know of any other limited. Unless things have radically change very recently, 256M is plenty of ram for the Desktop installer. However, the alternate does generally give less problems.
[04:13] <grazie> ^^ limitation
[04:14] <admin__> Give Error: ACPI fails cutoff age. ACPI=force required
[04:14] <admin__> ...
[04:14] <admin__> Tx Grazie
[04:17] <admin__> Running CD Check Option now Display a nice XUBUNTU Logo and progress screen
[04:18] <admin__> Is it normal that Progress bar is not animated as taking a wike to check CD - but NumLock Still working
[04:22] <admin__> This CD check is taking for ever..Should it?
[04:32] <admin__> Its Still Checking CD! Any ideas if crashed?
[04:37] <admin__> Just to be sure CDRom ok would like to copy CD to Hard Disk. I formatted Hard Disk Lunt Ext?3
[04:47] <funbitz> hi, do you know some good virtual cd software for ubuntu?
[04:51] <ShaunWin> Hi,Managed to get my name back
[04:51] <ShaunWin> Trying to copy Xubuntu ISO to hard disk
[04:51] <ShaunWin> New to this all
[04:52] <ShaunWin> Can some pro please help
[04:52] <ShaunWin> This way can check if CD reader ok. Checked CD on another PC
[04:53] <Ramla> funbitz: you mean like daemon tools?
[04:53] <Ramla> ShaunWin: you mean to build an .iso or?
[04:53] <Ramla> hmm repetition..
[04:53] <ShaunWin> No Have the ISO
[04:54] <ShaunWin> But when installing it crashes
[04:54] <funbitz> Ramla: yes!
[04:54] <ShaunWin> Leaves me at a Prompt (initramfs)
[04:55] <Ramla> funbitz: well, it's basically built in, you can mount .iso files to a directory
[04:56] <funbitz> Ramla: how?  :) (don't mind my ignorance)
[04:56] <funbitz> i understand there are scripts for this or such...
[04:57] <Ramla> as i recall, it was simply mount /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint -o loop
[04:58] <Ramla> the thing is, last time i checked, there was no support for .ccd, .img, and other common-in-windows cd image formats
[04:58] <Ramla> if you have one of those, i recommend googling for format2iso, like mdf2iso
[04:59] <Ramla> and hmm, if you prefer a graphical interface, gisomount is one option (don't know if there are many others)
[04:59] <funbitz> hmm... i found something more like daemon tools   acetoneteam.org  ... but for some reason their server doesn't work
[04:59] <funbitz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3284756
[05:00] <funbitz> i found this thread about it
[05:00] <triptec> what bittorrent client does ppl prefer??
[05:05] <Ramla> rtorrent
[05:05] <Ramla> non-graphical though
[05:05] <Ramla> haven't found a graphical one i'd like
[05:11] <ShaunWin> Tx Guys, Will try
[05:13] <szachista> qbittorrent is cool
[05:18] <ShaunWin> Any idea how ot get name of ISO on CD
[05:18] <ShaunWin> Don't have  linux installed
[05:23] <cellofellow> can someome help me make a router? I need someone to bounce ideas off of mostly.
[05:30] <atarinox> is there anything i can do when xubuntu freezes besides a hard reboot? seems like it's been hanging a lot lately, and i hate to keep shutting down like that...
[05:31] <TheSheep> atarinox: when you say "xubuntu freezes", what do you exactly mean?
[05:32] <TheSheep> atarinox: if it's kernel panic, then yes, you can only reboot
[05:32] <TheSheep> atarinox: if it's some application getting unresponsive, then you can usually kill that application
[05:33] <TheSheep> atarinox: same if it's some application hogging all the memory or cpu
[05:33] <atarinox> well ill be using swiftfox or another app and suddenly my mouse cursor stops and i can't use keyboard or mouse
[05:34] <TheSheep> atarinox: are the leds on the keyboard lit?
[05:34] <TheSheep> atarinox: do they change when you press numlock or capslock?
[05:34] <atarinox> also happens quite a bit after my screensaver comes on...i won't be able to log back in
[05:34] <TheSheep> atarinox: is switching to a virtual console with alt+f1 possible
[05:35] <TheSheep> atarinox: anything interesting in logs after such a "freeze"?
[05:35] <atarinox> how would I check the logs?
[05:35] <atarinox> and not sure about the keyboard leds or virtual console...i'll have to wait til it hangs again, which prob won't be more than a few hours
[05:35] <cellofellow> sounds like it may be X freezing.
[05:36] <TheSheep> atarinox: you can find the logs in /var/log/
[05:37] <atarinox> yeah...i'm not sure what i should even begin to look for
[05:38] <atarinox> what would cause X to freeze?
[05:51] <TheSheep> atarinox: usually a bug in the graphics drivers
[06:05] <atarinox> TheSheep: sorry, but how do i find which driver i'm running for my card?
[06:05] <TheSheep> atarinox: check you xorg.conf
[06:06] <TheSheep> atarinox: look for the "Device" section
[06:06] <TheSheep> atarinox: and the "Driver" option
[06:25] <atarinox> TheSheep: ok, ive got a savage driver...next time my system freezes, is there a specific log file I should post in the forums which'd help? the xorg.0.log maybe?
[07:12] <cheeseboy> hi
[07:13] <cheeseboy> what package is update-grub under ?
[07:25] <gabkdlly> cheeseboy: grub
[07:26] <gabkdlly> according to dpkg -L grub
[07:26] <cheeseboy> gabkdlly: if i install ubuntu version of grub on another distro i will be able to use update-grub?
[07:29] <gabkdlly> cheeseboy: don't know, sorry
[08:08] <triptec> how do I turn off automatic logout after x minutes?
[08:17] <cheeseboy> how do i rescan usb devices>?
[08:19] <Filthpig> Hi, I have both xubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed, but it's quite annoying that they interfere with each other. I.e. I have avant installed for use in gnome, but it also shows up in xfce, which is not desirable. Beryl/Compiz also uses the same theme for the xfce session as the gnome session.. Can I fix this, so gnome and xfce work indepentently?
[08:37] <hellekin> how to avoid automounting a specific partition ?
[08:40] <PriceChild> hellekin, remove it from your /etc/fstab
[08:50] <Ramla> hellekin: add option noauto to not mount it at boot. however filemanagers will probably try to mount it
[09:05] <Filthpig> how can I make avant start in gnome but not xfce?
[09:34] <hyper__ch> test failed
[09:41] <hellekin> PriceChild, Ramla: this is an encrypted partition used as a user's home. Whenever the user logs in from SSH, the partition pops up on the local user's desktop and that sucks :)
[09:44] <Ramla> okay.. don't know what to say to that :p
[09:46] <hellekin> in fact, it's not in /etc/fstab at all. It's (u)mounted by a script.
[09:50] <atarinox> do i have to remount my network folder to refresh it?
[09:53] <hellekin> hmmmm... Is it normal that each gnome applet is taking more than 30 MB in RAM ? I thought those were *small* applications!
[09:54] <hellekin> deskbar-applet takes even more memory than firefox!
[09:55] <TheSheep> hellekin: they share that memory
[09:56] <TheSheep> hellekin: at least part of it
[09:57] <hellekin> TheSheep: if I have three users, do they share memory between users too or each have its own memory sink ? :)
[09:58] <hellekin> without the shared memory it looks like each is taking about 4MB.
[09:58] <hellekin> I'm so used to using small memory footprint apps, it's a little scary :)
[09:58] <TheSheep> hellekin: since X is started as root, at least part of the memory is shared
[09:58] <TheSheep> hellekin: but most of the userspace libs are not, unfortunately
[09:59] <TheSheep> hellekin: python is garbage-collected language, it still takes less memory than java ;)
[09:59] <hellekin> Java... Let's keep that an island :)
[10:00] <TheSheep> hellekin: desklets and many panel plugins are written in python
[10:00] <TheSheep> hellekin: that's not nat lightweight, but allows for fast development
[10:00] <hellekin> TheSheep: do you happen to know which one is popping up the mounted partitions?
[10:01] <TheSheep> hellekin: that'd be the places plugin
[10:01] <hellekin> TheSheep: Ruby would be greedier than python wouldn't it?
[10:01] <hellekin> TheSheep: thanks, I'm going to see how I can make it ignore my encrypted partition
[10:02] <TheSheep> hellekin: I think that ruby doesn't merge with C libraries so nicely, but I never really used it much
[10:02] <TheSheep> hellekin: if you can't report a bug, the developer is very open to feedback
[10:04] <hellekin> TheSheep: is it a bug? I'm not sure. But surely there must or should be a way to set some "ignorable" partitions
[10:04] <TheSheep> hellekin: make it a feature request :)
[10:04] <hellekin> TheSheep: now that's a bug ;o)
[10:05] <hellekin> argh... I'm importing a 14 pages PDF (converted to PS) into scribus... If the PC had a tongue and feet, it would walk on its tongue.
[10:07] <TheSheep> hellekin: converting pdf to ps is usually a bad idea
[10:08] <TheSheep> hellekin: they used to organize races of hdds in MIT :)
[10:09] <hellekin> arf... All I need to do actually is convert the paper size from US Letter to A4 so I can print on 2 pages / sheet
[10:09] <hellekin> I guess I didn't find the lightest solution :p
[10:10] <TheSheep> hellekin: you can edit the ps file by hand for that
[10:10] <hellekin> TheSheep: that sounds a much better idea
[10:10] <TheSheep> hellekin: unfortunately I don't know all the codes
[10:16] <c00i90wn> Hi, I just installed xubunut on my ubuntu gutsy with xubuntu-desktop package but I can't get compiz to work
[10:16] <c00i90wn> I tried compiz --replace &! and it didn't work
[10:17] <triptec> is it just me or is the sound quality better in windows?
[10:22] <c00i90wn> oh apparently compiz _is_ running I just don't have window decorations
[12:20] <gerro> hey everyone
[12:28] <gerro> anyone here use xubuntu with linuxbios?
[12:28] <gerro> I'd like to try that out but have a few questions
[12:30] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[12:30] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:30] <Pumpernickel> If they're linuxbios-specific, they have their own support channel.
[12:31] <Pumpernickel> (Which is, incidentally, #openbios.)
[12:40] <mikubuntu> i just downloaded google earth for linux, it's a bin file, have it on my desktop.  how do i install it?
[12:41] <c00i90wn> mikubuntu: ./<path_to_the_bin>
[12:42] <gerro> open up terminal then cd to where its at and chmod +x the file then do what he said ^
[12:42] <gerro> except its probably better to be in exact directory and do ./justthefilenothepath
[12:42] <c00i90wn> mikubuntu: but there is a better way, google now has ubuntu repositories
[12:43] <gerro> oooh that sounds nice
[12:43] <c00i90wn> mikubuntu: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ubuntu704.html
[12:43] <c00i90wn> gerro: ^^
[12:44] <gerro> now to figure out how to uninstall my old google earth
[12:45] <c00i90wn> gerro: rm -rf ~/bin or something like that
[12:47] <gerro> yeah I know
[12:47] <gerro> but just wish was easier way
[12:47] <gerro> I hope they fixed a few glitches in google earth, kept whining about fonts and graphics card etc before
[12:48] <gerro> c00i90wn: you try nasa world wind or whatever that project is called? does it have linux client?
[12:49] <c00i90wn> gerro: I only tried it on my win32 days, never liked it too much
[12:50] <gerro> yeah that's what I thought
[12:50] <gerro> and I mean they use same data don't they?
[12:51] <c00i90wn> gerro: don't think so...


[00:38] <RAOF> bryceh: Speaking of plymoth transitions, would you like to sponsor an xserver-xorg-video-nouveau upload with an -nr patch attached?
[00:41] <bryceh> RAOF, sure
[00:42] <RAOF> It's in pkg-xorg git, or I could attach a debdiff if you'd prefer.
[00:43] <bryceh> git's fine
[00:45] <bryceh> RAOF, looks good, upload sponsored
[00:46] <RAOF> Thanks.
[00:47] <bryceh> wow, nvidia.man is way out of date
[00:47] <bryceh> someday we should update that :-)
[01:22] <RAOF> Hm.  The intel gpu lockup event code looks like it'd be quite easy to port to nouveau :/
[05:12] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Do you have that upstream link for the plymouth bug?  I think it's time to actually tell launchpad about it!
[05:50] <vish> jcristau: hi. :) i had mentioned it to the cairo-dock team to contact you guys , since they had several OpenGL bugs and Sarvatt had mentioned that the mesa devs were not happy with how cairo-dock was doing its stuff.  [i forgot what Sarvatt mentioned exactly ]  hence it might have been a bit confusing to understand what they[fabounet/mattbe] were trying to get at.
[05:51] <vish> mostly they wanted to get in touch with the mesa devs who knew what the problem was and what the cairo-dock was doing wrong ;)
[05:53]  * vish hopes #dri-devel was the channel Sarvatt mentioned :)
[05:54] <vish> Sarvatt: anyone particular the cairo-dock team needs to get in touch with?
[06:58] <RAOF> Eep!  Random people filing crazy bugs with nouveau upstream :(.
[07:01] <bryceh> ?
[07:01] <RAOF> Oh, just one of our users testing nouveau & filing bugs simultaneously in launchpad and upstream with nouveau.
[07:02] <RAOF> Filing *bad* bugs simultaneously upstream and in launchpad; basically "my log contains (EE) AIGLX: can't load /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so".
[07:02] <bryceh> ah
[07:03] <RAOF> Also, I'm fixing the xorg apport hooks; there are a couple of problems in the recent upload.
[07:03] <bryceh> oh?
[07:04] <RAOF> Things like “lsb_release -c" returning "Codename:\tlucid" rather than "Codename:  lucid", so the hook crashes and doesn't attach the extra information.
[07:04] <RAOF> Just a couple of small things.
[07:05] <RAOF> A missing comma in a list.
[07:05] <bryceh> ahh
[07:06] <superm1> RAOF, lsb_release -sc instead
[07:07] <superm1> then you dont need to try to parse whitespace
[07:07] <RAOF> Ah, there was one substantial question I wanted to ask about that: how would you like people running “ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau” handled - reading the GDM logs requires root, and so it will currently (once it's fixed) ask whether to add logs it can't actually add.
[07:07] <RAOF> superm1: Thanks!  I'll use that instead.
[07:09] <RAOF> There doesn't seem to be a good way to escalate to root in the apport hook, so we can either (a) only ask that message when run as root, or (b) when not run as root, ask people to re-run ubuntu-bug with root privs.
[07:10] <bryceh> it can't add the gdm logs?
[07:10] <bryceh> I think I added in the right code to cause apport to prompt for gksudo, however I haven't tested it
[07:10] <RAOF> It can't read the logs unless it's run as root.  And people can (and I *did*) run ubuntu-bug as not-root.
[07:10] <bryceh> right, I *think* apport will prompt for that now.  worth testing
[07:11] <bryceh> also, regarding how to call ubuntu-bug, I've been recommending people just file them via 'ubuntu-bug xorg'
[07:11] <RAOF> Well, right now it won't, because the hook crashes a couple of times before getting there.  And when I've fixed that up, I don't think ui.yesno actually escalates to root?
[07:11] <bryceh> then I have a cronjob on my end that reviews the bug reports and reassigns them to the driver package as appropriate
[07:12] <RAOF> Ok.  I'll do that in future.  Easier to type :)
[07:13] <bryceh> yeah, and it turned out users got really confused
[07:14] <RAOF> There's a fair scope for users to get confused, yeah.
[07:14] <bryceh> some would file against xserver-xorg-driver-*, others would file driver bugs against xorg-server, or vice versa
[07:17] <bryceh> regarding reading gdm.log as root, I'll get that fixed up
[07:17] <tjaalton> bryceh: check bug 529583, the new apport code is probably a bit too effective :)
[07:18] <bryceh> tjaalton, heh
[07:18] <RAOF> bryceh: I'll push the other fixes up to pkg-xorg git.
[07:18] <bryceh> ok, let me know once they're merged
[07:20] <bryceh> tjaalton, yeah we'll have to decide how to handle these kinds of bugs.  It seems a bad idea to send them upstream if the user is clueless, but freezes are not things we're going to be able to fix ourselves.
[07:38] <bryceh> RAOF, ok I'll tackle the gdm.log root stuff tomorrow
[07:38] <RAOF> I've just managed to make it work.
[07:38] <bryceh> basically the commands just need switched over to use root_command_output()
[07:38] <RAOF> Yup.
[07:39] <RAOF> Just writing the commit message.
[07:39] <bryceh> great
[07:39] <RAOF> Pushed to pkg-xorg git.
[07:40] <RAOF> I guess I should write a debian/changelog entry, too, while I'm at it.
[07:41] <RAOF> There we go.
[07:54] <bryceh> yep looks good
[10:10] <RAOF> Well, at least *some* people are finding nouveau nice; here's a bug about gnome-shell not working on the second monitor plugged into the displayport on the macbook!
[10:20] <bryceh> heh
[11:00] <apw> bryceh, do i expect my keymaps to get flushed when i VT switch?
[11:00] <apw> (or indeed anyone)
[11:01] <apw> also is restoration of CAPS etc LED state on return to X a userspace thing or ?
[12:37] <radoe> Hello. May someone please have a look at bug 402260? I have a debdiff ready and attached and also an ack from ubuntu-sru for a SRU regarding this bug. How to proceed further with this? Thx.
[15:57] <superm1> apw, when a system is triggering the high temperature switch, does the kernel actually call into /sbin/shutdown, or does it arrange for a shutdown a different way?
[15:59] <apw> superm1, normally the bios takes the machine out without any indication or time to stop it
[16:00] <apw> there is a bug somewhere in lucid which is breaking the temp sensors on one of my dells, which stops the sensors and fans responding correctly after a suspend/resume ...
[16:00] <superm1> well the problem i'm looking at is actually in karmic
[16:00] <superm1> and i'm trying to figure out what is sending a SIGTERM and someother signal to all running apps during a factory install
[16:01] <superm1> given the machines are in burn racks, i'm starting to wonder if temperature was playing into the problem
[16:02] <superm1> so if the kernel was actually calling /sbin/shutdown or some other means to send signals like that to everything it sounds like its at least a possible venue for the problem
[16:02] <hyperair> i don't think the kernel calls /sbin/shutdown when overheating..
[16:02] <hyperair> it just hangs.
[16:30] <apw> superm1, right, i'd expect it to just stop dead and turn off, thats what mine does here
[16:30] <superm1> apw, dang.  back to the drawing board then :(
[16:31] <apw> well its worth asking cjwatson if there is anything else
[16:31] <apw> i'd expect that kind of thing if they ran out of battery for example
[17:32] <Ng> apw: superm1: fwiw, my laptop BIOS sends an ACPI event to linux and the machine shuts down gracefully. I had my laptop wake up for some reason once in my bag, hit 127 degrees C and then log that and shut down :/
[17:34] <hyperair> mine stopped dead while compiling kernels.
[17:35] <hyperair> and also compiling codelite
[17:35] <hyperair> kinda painful when doing testbuilds
[17:35] <hyperair> have to ^Z every 15 minutes
[17:35] <hyperair> wait for 15 minutes, then fg
[17:35] <hyperair> that was until i discovered PHC =D
[18:32] <superm1> Ng, yeah that's what i was hoping is possible; it definitely coo-berates with the symptoms of this problem
[19:06] <bryceh> apw, keymap flushing should not happen when VT switching.  However losing keymaps is a common problem when unplugging/replugging the keyboard so perhaps its related to that?
[19:19] <apw> bryceh, i definaly get reset to UK layout on switch in and out of X
[19:19] <bryceh> apw, is that a new behavior?
[19:20] <apw> bryceh, i do it so rarely that i doubt i'd have noticed, i only did it today to test what appears to be a bug in LED handling for capslock and numlock over the same VT switch
[19:20] <apw> and said i couldn't test caps as i delete the key, and found it had come back!
[19:20] <bryceh> hmm
[19:22] <bryceh> can you see any evidence of any devices enabling/disabling through that?
[19:39] <tjaalton> bryceh: hey, we should probably upload mesa and xserver from git?
[19:40] <apw> bryceh, the only dmesg i get in that switch and back is this:
[19:40] <apw> [39732.660911] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[19:40] <apw> [39732.821452] Skipping EDID probe due to cached edid
[19:42] <bryceh> tjaalton, sounds good
[19:42] <bryceh> tjaalton, now that a3 is out it's a good time to upload
[19:43] <bryceh> apw, that first one I think might be plymouth
[19:43] <bryceh> apw, the second is just a kernel info message (in fact that should probably be commented out in the kernel as I've seen some people's logs where it gets pretty spammy)
[19:44] <apw> yeah that secnd one comes out scarily often
[19:45] <tjaalton> bryceh: yeah
[19:46] <apw> bryceh, i get a bunch of this on switch and back in Xorg.log
[19:46] <apw> (II) "Power Button": Device reopened after 1 attempts.
[19:47] <apw> and so on for everything that is an input device
[19:47] <tjaalton> bryceh: I'll upload them later unless you want to do the honors :)
[19:47] <apw> bryceh, we
[19:47] <apw> bryceh, we get any feedback on the backport kernel?
[19:48] <apw> we have some positive noises from owners of some h/w
[19:50] <bryceh> tjaalton, go for it
[19:50] <bryceh> apw, jamie said it didn't fix the issue on his old radeon chip
[19:51] <apw> bryceh, hell, so no modeset for him then
[19:51] <bryceh> which is ironic since that's the issue that started us down this whole path, and that airlied said would be fixed if we went to .33
[19:51] <apw> .33 is much a pile of doings as anything else
[19:51] <bryceh> aside from that I've seen no negatives
[19:52] <apw> me either ... so i am angling to make any decision official
[19:52] <bryceh> great!
[19:52] <apw> i have an upload todo today, for everything before drm
[19:52] <apw> and then will push that in a couple of days, if you concur its a better place to be than .32
[19:53] <bryceh> btw, 'no modeset for him' -> have we a kms per-card blacklist set up?  I'd like to document the steps if so
[19:53] <apw> bryceh, nope, we don't
[19:53] <bryceh> yes I concur
[19:53] <apw> but we hoped to avod it by fixing him, but if it doesn't then a per id list will be needed
[19:53] <apw> which i will have to go add i suspect
[19:53] <bryceh> apw, ok well it's orthogonal to the .33 decision, but still would be worth having
[19:54] <apw> yep.  a generic list in drm is appropriate, as nomodeset is there it should be ok
[19:55] <apw> bryceh, will we have UMS still for i915 in lucid?
[19:56] <bryceh> apw, yes
[19:56] <apw> thats something at least, at least nomodeset will mean something across the board
[19:56] <bryceh> apw, I think we've more or less convinced ourselves to stick with 2.9.1 and retain UMS as an option on intel
[19:56] <bryceh> yeah
[19:56] <apw> bryceh, can i also confirm that to your knowledge there is no way to override the mode selected in KMS as it stands?
[19:57] <bryceh> someone mentioned some idea of lucid being "the last Ubuntu with UMS" so KMS by default with UMS as an option across the board feels quite right
[19:57] <bryceh> apw, that's correct to my knowledge - I dug around in the kernel code but didn't find anything
[19:58] <bryceh> nor have I run into online docs about this
[19:58] <bryceh> I definitely think it's something we're going to need
[19:58] <apw> it seems a major oversight that i cannot quite fathom how we have not noticed before
[19:58] <bryceh> having UMS as a fallback slightly reduces the severity of this issue, but it's not a good long term solution obviously, and is probably more hackery than most people would expect to need to do
[19:59] <bryceh> apw, other larger issues distracting us maybe?  ;-)
[20:01] <apw> bryceh, yeah i guess ... arrgllle
[20:15] <jcristau> setting the mode from the kernel command line doesn't work?
[20:16] <jcristau> fwiw it looks like debian will be going with the drm .33 backport
[20:17] <bryceh> jcristau, good to know


[14:47] <dpm> kelemengabor, nice picture you posted on the last bug report ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178271/+attachment/3671085/+files/onlineacc.png
[14:48] <kelemengabor> dpm: use your imagination! :P
[14:49] <dpm> kelemengabor, I do, I do. I see.... clouds :-)
[14:49] <dpm> either that, or Hungarian uses a new input method :)
[14:54] <kelemengabor> I don't know - maybe the ~3 people who were working on standardizing the old Hungarian script but eventually got mad at each other over technical disagreements and formed two (at least - after all they are Hungarians!) factions, managed to reach agreement. But I doubt that :).
[14:54] <dpm> hahaha
[16:24] <teolemon> we just would like to notify the italians out there that we're #1 again when it comes to the DDTP
[16:24] <teolemon> :-D
[16:24] <teolemon> sooorry  ^^
[20:13] <teolemon> hi all
[20:13] <teolemon> dpm just reminded me that uds is looming
[20:13] <teolemon> I'd very much like us to run sessions
[20:14] <teolemon> so I'm going to launch a brainstorm before our Friday meeting
[20:14] <teolemon> we discuss things on Friday, and get ready for UDS
[20:15] <teolemon> as a rehearsal, we'll be doing a hangout
[20:15] <teolemon> so that we can push our point of view, ideas, etc straight to the devs
[21:35] <teolemon> here's the translation roadmap google docs for Saucy
[21:35] <teolemon> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Xzp6depA75AZ7m5M8y29AJarrjWHi7GR0efF8xrBA4/edit#
[21:35] <teolemon> feel free to dump your dreams
[21:35] <teolemon> wishes
[21:35] <teolemon> etc
[21:35] <teolemon> about translations


[07:37] <YoBoY> good morning
[13:27] <locodir-user> hi
[15:59] <trinikrono> o/
[19:20] <gautam7373> can i get ubintu original disk?
[19:28] <nizarus> gautam7373, no, shipit is no more active
[19:28] <nizarus> but you still can download it for free
[19:29] <nizarus> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[19:41] <cprofitt> nizarus: one can still get CDs from their loco team
[19:41] <cprofitt> if their loco team is approved
[19:44] <nizarus> cprofitt, yep, but with only 250 we can't give to many people :)
[19:44]  * cprofitt nods
[19:44] <cprofitt> true
[19:44] <cprofitt> I gave out ~200 the day after I got them
[19:44] <cprofitt> one IT event