[00:28] <xubuntu998> hi
[00:32] <ChristopherNG> yes?
[00:33] <Unit193> He already did the disco...
[00:40] <charlie-tca> Usually, when they are on the web service, it means they finished reading the slideshow, clicked, and then the install finished.
[00:42] <Unit193> I thought about maybe pointing it to offtopic, but figured it was better as it is
[03:35] <xubuntu987> hey
[03:44] <philipballew> hey, when i upgraded to 11.04 access to my desktop via ssh cut off
[05:33] <raevol> so it's only 2 months until oeneric and thunar still has the first-launch-after-boot issue
[05:33] <raevol> is this the level of quality we should expect from xubuntu?
[05:34] <well_laid_lawn> you only get disappointed if you expect things
[05:35] <Sysi> not new thunar version out yet
[05:35] <raevol> is it still not fixed in xfce?
[05:36] <Sysi> nope
[05:36] <raevol> oh, i'm really sorry then, i'm complaining in the wrong place :(
[05:36] <Sysi> you can try some other filemanager
[05:36] <raevol> many apologies, off to #xfce
[05:42] <raevol> #xfce is telling me there's a newer thunar
[05:42] <raevol> Sysi: you lied to me :P
[05:48] <Sysi> didn't know.. :/
[05:49] <raevol> well i didn't either
[05:49] <raevol> so i can't blame you :P
[07:10] <philipballew> hey! i updated to 11.04 today and now i cant seem to ssh into my desktop. what might be causing that?
[09:53] <tsunamiuser> hello!
[09:54] <tsunamiuser> i came here because on xubuntu.org/help is said that I may get some help here
[09:54] <tsunamiuser> is that correct?
[09:55] <Sysi> pop a question and you may get an ansver
[09:55] <tsunamiuser> cheers :)
[09:55] <tsunamiuser> I have xubun
[09:55] <tsunamiuser> to installed with a ubuntu 11 version
[09:56] <tsunamiuser> how can I know which version is installed? xubuntu version
[09:57] <knome> lsb_release -a'
[09:57] <knome> erm
[09:57] <knome> 'lsb_release -a' in terminal without the quotes
[09:59] <tsunamiuser> 11.04 but that is ubuntu version... so does this means that xubunto version is the same as ubunto version?
[09:59] <tsunamiuser> ubuntu
[09:59] <knome> yes
[10:00] <Sysi> same package repositories = same version and basically same OS, with different default packages(apps)
[10:01] <tsunamiuser> hum... I don't think I like this version, the scroll bar on the left side is a bit slow... do you have any suggestions on that? is it a question of configuration?
[10:01] <tsunamiuser> and thank you knome and Sysi
[10:04] <knome> "scroll bar on the left side" sounds like something that isn't in xubuntu 11.04 by default.
[10:05] <tsunamiuser> hum... it came when I upgraded from 10
[10:05] <tsunamiuser> didn't had that before
[10:05] <tsunamiuser> though is much better now...
[10:07] <tsunamiuser> is there a way to be sure I have the right installation? or the right packages? or to reinstall it again?...
[10:16] <knome> tsunamiuser, if you have a reason to avoid a fresh install, you can take a screenshot of the actual problem and we can try to help with it
[10:28] <tsunamiuser> thank you knome
[10:29] <tsunamiuser> errrr... hum... sorry, but how can I send the screenshot?
[10:40] <tsunamiuser> knome, I am sending you a screenshot
[10:46] <knome> tsunamiuser, please don't use dcc, use imagebin
[10:46] <knome> !imagebin
[10:49] <tsunamiuser> ubottu, thank you I'm uploading now
[10:49] <tsunamiuser> http://imagebin.org/168348
[10:50] <tsunamiuser> quite a nice bot you are ubottu :)
[10:51] <knome> tsunamiuser, doesn't look like you are in a xubuntu session
[10:51] <tsunamiuser> wt...!?
[10:51] <knome> do you use autologin?
[10:53] <knome> tsunamiuser, xubuntu 1104 is supposed to look like: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TbqXvD4wEDI/AAAAAAAAENU/dv_zS0XwUCM/xubuntu-11.04_2.png
[10:56] <tsunamiuser> I guess so... just have to enter my password
[10:56] <tsunamiuser> when it starts up it sais xubuntu
[10:56] <tsunamiuser> says
[10:56] <knome> tsunamiuser, is there a dropdown box to select the *session*
[10:56] <tsunamiuser> no
[10:57] <knome> if you manually log out, do you then have the dropdown box?
[10:57] <Sysi> "panel" at the bottom of screen
[10:57] <tsunamiuser> no, no panel at the bottom
[10:58] <tsunamiuser> I will logout now to see
[12:07] <tsunamiuser> knome and Sysi thank you for your help
[12:08] <tsunamiuser> only now I could connect bak
[12:08] <tsunamiuser> back
[12:08] <tsunamiuser> my signl is very weak, I'm at sea now
[12:58] <ChristopherNG> Hello fellow Xubuntu users!
[13:18] <ChristopherNG>  where is everyone? :)
[13:19] <ChristopherNG> !china
[13:19] <ChristopherNG> !korea
[13:19] <Pici> !msgthebot
[13:19] <ChristopherNG> Pici: whats wrong? everything has been so dead in here all week
[13:19] <Sysi> everyone's xubuntus are just working
[13:19] <ChristopherNG> Its a miracle! lol
[13:20] <Pici> There are other Ubuntu support channels if you want to help out elsewhere.
[13:21] <ChristopherNG> I like this ubuntu channel the most, you have fewer people but the quality of the responses is better even though it might take longer to get a response.
[13:21] <ChristopherNG> I need a new project to work on..
[13:22] <Sysi> setting up archlinux took me almost entire day
[13:22] <Sysi> little server could be fun too
[13:28] <ChristopherNG> why did it take all day?
[13:30] <Sysi> a lot to set up, packages to install
[13:31] <ChristopherNG> Ah..
[13:31] <ChristopherNG> Never used that distrobution myself before
[14:07] <ablomen> hmm i noticed that firefox 6 crashes on computers with nvdia optimus video cards (because of hardware acceleration being enabled by default) what would be the best place to report this so other people with the same problem can find the solution?
[14:08] <ablomen> this is down to the lack of nvidia support for optimus on linux btw, not firefox and it also is not (x)ubuntu specific, so i'm not sure where to report it
[14:09] <GridCube> i would report it to nvidia driver
[14:09] <GridCube> ubuntu-bug nvidia(whatever the package name is)
[14:12] <ablomen> hmm well the problem with that is that nvidia already know's it does not work (and said they won't support it *shakes fist*) and it only happens with firefox (which the package maintainers can't do anything about eiter, i'm guessing)
[14:14] <ablomen> ah well, ill throw a message to both nvidia and firefox anyway, thanks GridCube
[14:14] <GridCube> indeed fill a bug to firefox trackers so they know
[15:39] <h0ller> Hello, has anyone else experienced difficulties with XFCE since yesterday's updates? I seem to have lost the top bar and borders to all windows, along with the minimize/maximize/close buttons. Bookmarks menus in Firefox disappear as soon as the mouse comes into contact with the menu. Have lost transparency in my bottom panel where my application links reside. Not sure what broke. Any ideas?
[15:40] <Sysi> alt+F2 "xfwm4"
[15:40] <h0ller> When I tail /var/log/syslog, I can see the following: WARNING: Could not launch application 'metacity.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "metacity" (No such file or directory)
[15:41] <Sysi> xfwm4 --replace possibly
[15:42] <h0ller> Sysi: removing && installing now...
[15:43] <h0ller> Sysi: will reboot and see if it worked. Thank you.
[15:45] <h0ller> Sysi: no luck.
[15:45] <Sysi> err I told you to run xfwm4
[15:46] <h0ller> Sysi: oh, sorry. I misunderstood.  Will try now.
[15:48] <h0ller> Sysi: ok, wow, that seemed to work!  I have been on hiatus from XFCE for many years and have just come back to it recently. I don't recall what that command does. What just happened when I executed xfwm4? Does that just restart XFCE, or does it reset things back to default, or something else?
[15:49] <Sysi> it's the windowmanager, takes care of many things
[15:49] <Sysi> you should propably 'rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions' and then save session on logout
[15:50] <h0ller> Sysi: Got it, thanks! That would explain why "Window Manager" was not available in my Settings menu. It must also be tied into Metacity and somehow restarts it when that command is executed. Found more info here: http://www.xfce.org/projects/xfwm4/  Thanks much for your help! Very appreciative!
[15:51] <Sysi> np
[16:03] <ChristopherNG> Does anyone know if the youtube-dl program from the repos still works?
[16:04] <ChristopherNG> Im trying to use it doesnt seem so
[16:04] <GridCube> dunno
[16:04] <GridCube> never used that
[16:04] <Sysi> try some firefox addition, downloadhelper or minitube or something
[16:04] <GridCube> i use the downloadhelper for firefox to do that
[16:07] <ChristopherNG> thanks download helper works
[16:08] <ChristopherNG> wait...
[16:08] <ChristopherNG> where does it download to, the home directory?
[16:10] <ChristopherNG> i got it now
[16:13] <ChristopherNG> my n00b question for the day, ubuntu in general comes with a bourne shell because of $ as opposed to a c shell which uses % ?
[16:13] <ChristopherNG> or have i got that back to fornt
[16:16] <Sysi> bash is used in most distributions by default, I guess promt has nothing to do with it (you can set it to be anything anyway)
[16:18] <charlie-tca> right, as far as I know, bash is one of those things that became more or less standard for linux
[16:25] <Sysi> s shell is csh? it's propably not GPL, zsh would be real alternative but not really reason to change
[16:25] <Sysi> c shell*
[16:44] <Pici> ChristopherNG: I've been using clive (or cclive) to download things from youtube lately.
[20:29] <Viva_Nero> Panel disapeared on my karmic install, and the entry for it in settings manager won't bring anything up
[20:29] <Viva_Nero> I made a new account, and panel shows up on it
[20:30] <Sysi> !panels
[20:31] <Viva_Nero> okay, let me change accounts and see if it works
[20:55] <ChristopherNG> hey
[21:15] <MrPopinjay> Sup ChristopherNG
[21:16] <ChristopherNG> Not much yourself?
[21:18] <ubuntu__> hey guys, I'm testing Xubuntu from a live usb
[21:19] <ChristopherNG> yes and?
[21:20] <ubuntu__> well I have been trying many different distro's on my CR-48 laptop
[21:21] <ubuntu__> and only some distro's based solely from ubuntu seem to work well with the mutli-touch track pad
[21:21] <ubuntu__> but Unity is still way too slow for my tastes, even on a powerful machine, so I wanted to try Xubuntu
[21:22] <ubuntu__> I heard you can get the Gnome-globalmenu to work in XFCE but
[21:22] <Unit193> What do you think so far?
[21:22] <ubuntu__> I like how fast it is :)
[21:22] <ubuntu__> for some odd reason firefox won't open at all
[21:23] <ubuntu__> idk if thats just cause that particular package is broken some how or what, but I'm using Midori to test it so all's good at the moment
[21:24] <ChristopherNG> Basically i like Xubuntu and i really cant see myself going back top regular ubuntu.
[21:24] <ubuntu__> but would you guys know how to get the Gnome-globalmenu to work in XFCE?
[21:24] <ubuntu__> oh no? why not?
[21:24] <Sysi> install and add to panel, or compile from source and add to panel
[21:24] <Unit193> Arora is also a good little browser
[21:24] <ubuntu__> oh I'll check Arora then :)
[21:25] <Sysi> quite the same as midori but qt
[21:25] <ubuntu__> ooh qt is generally faster than GTK2 isn't it?
[21:25] <Unit193> I have Aurora and Arora in internet options :P  Arora seems to render better than Midori though
[21:26] <ubuntu__> does it work with any extentions or plugins? I have grown quite attatched to Lastpass :-P
[21:26] <Sysi> ubuntu__: how would you compare speed of appearance libs
[21:34] <ubuntu__> maybe this is not quite the right channel
[21:36] <ubuntu__> but I have tried installing a couple different distros on a few machines, and a couple that are based on Ubuntu 11.04 get an error just before the installation is finished, then rebooting just gives a black screen with a blinking underscore
[21:37] <ubuntu__> and this has been on 2 different machines and I have tried getting ISO's from a couple different networks than my own. So I know its none of those things. Any ideas as to why some 11.04 distro's do that and others don't?
[21:43] <ubuntu__> hmmm I think you guys got busy or its late where you are lol, well I'll come back another time, thanks for being so friendly :)
[21:43] <Unit193> Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:43:10 -0400
[21:43] <Unit193> Not late yet, just eating kinda
[22:21] <ubuntu__> Unit193: ah mkay :)
[22:21] <ubuntu__> I'm just playing around with Cairo dock and seeing how I like it and other apps before I install
[22:23] <ubuntu__> by the way, I tried installing the Gnome global menu from the terminal,  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8,   sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install gnome-globalmenu
[22:23] <ubuntu__> but it didn't find the package :(
[22:24] <feyd> can anyone help me with gvfs-mount and an ntfs drive?
[22:28] <feyd> nevermind, just needed -d flag, thanks anyway
[22:34] <ChristopherNG> Hello does anyone know of any software that can change your voice and do different effects like the sound recorder?
[23:44] <ChristopherNG> Hello anyone there?
[23:44] <ChristopherNG> !help
[23:45] <ChristopherNG> Anyone know where I can get Jack to work with mixxx?
[23:51] <Unit193> Hmmm... Wouldn't this be better to ask in #mixx OR #jack ?
[23:51] <Pici> Or perhaps #ubuntustudio
[23:52] <Unit193> ^^ Might be best (Or even #opensourcemusicians :P )


[15:42] <frogggy> hello
[15:42] <frogggy> is there macedonian language pack in the standard ubuntu cd?
[15:46] <frogggy> is there anyone here?
[15:47] <HedgeMage> frogggy: it's pretty dead here on the weekends
[15:47] <frogggy> oh
[15:47] <frogggy> can you answer my question
[15:47] <frogggy> i want to install edubuntu
[15:47] <frogggy> should i first install ubuntu?
[15:47] <HedgeMage> frogggy: Yes, the edubuntu CD is now distributed as an add-on to ubuntu.
[15:48] <HedgeMage> frogggy: It always was an ubuntu install with extra edu packages, so making the CD just an addon saves space we can use to add more cool stuff :)
[15:49] <HedgeMage> I'm not sure about macedonian language on the CD, but I'm pretty sure you can download it if it's not.
[15:49] <HedgeMage> bbiab, my little one needs me
[15:49]  * HedgeMage waves


[23:05] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: Did you update sources and stuff, that is a sudo thing.
[23:05] <SnowyCheetah750> Vigo: How do I do that?
[23:05] <Obituary> how can you enter to firefox in blackbox please?
[23:05] <SnowyCheetah750> Vigo: can you walk me through it?
[23:06] <kbp> I installed gnome desktop on sever and I accidently press ctrl+alt+f1 to go to tty1, does anyone know how to switch back to that X screen?
[23:06] <Caforinga> vigo I want to uninstall Windows and Ubuntu the 2 operating systems, and when my hd has nothing empty I install ubuntu 9.04 with first 40gb in 1 ext2 partition, leaving 1GB linux-swap, 30gb FAT32 and finally install Windows with the rest of the hd would be my 80gb hd is 160gb
[23:06] <burf> fck it - still no change - thx for your hlp anyway guys
[23:06] <Inf_lappy_> sin360, some googling found this. the source code is available and needs 'mono-devel' to compile http://sathyasays.com/2008/11/11/mounting-and-burning-iso-mdf-nrgnero-files-and-cd-images-in-linux-in-1-click/
[23:07] <alexnet> how do i change my pw?
[23:07] <sin360> ok thanks
[23:07] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: In Terminal sudo update , sudo updgrade , let me pull the link up for that so that you can print it out.
[23:07] <Obituary> caforinga, i did more simple. I installed 2 partitions, one windowx xp, and once i enter windows i used wubi to install ubuntu in the other partition
[23:07] <Obituary> as simple as that
[23:07] <richde> hi
[23:08] <dennda> ok, by magic at least the wireless keyboard works now. no idea why though
[23:08] <Obituary> do you know about wubi?
[23:08] <richde> dennda: tu me lis ?
[23:08] <Obituary> its a linux windows installer
[23:08] <Obituary> oui,xd
[23:08] <Aison> is there some apt overlay for latest nvidia drivers?
[23:09] <cmp_> Gnea,  i need to set up my Evaluation mail on ubuntu and i dont know how - can you guide me please.?
[23:09] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: This is one way, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114247
[23:10] <SnowyCheetah750> Thanks vigo
[23:11] <SnowyCheetah750> Vigo: After I do that I should be able to upgrade to Jaunty without any problems, right?
[23:12] <richde> #ubuntu-fr
[23:13] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: That is the start process, the full info is coming,,,
[23:13] <SnowyCheetah750> ok
[23:14] <sheffne> I have radeon 9600 and I am running ubuntu.  Right before I see the desktop after a sucessful boot, the screen becomes a mish mash of colors and shapes rendering the comp unusable. Can someone help?
[23:14] <cmp_> Gnea,  i need to set up my Evaluation mail on ubuntu and i dont know how - can you guide me please.?
[23:15] <Adam> Hello.  When I upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu via update-manager -d, will all my files, programs, documents, settings, etc. be kept?
[23:16] <sheffne> is anyone here?
[23:16] <cmp_> any one , can guide me how to setting up my Evaluation mail program on my ubuntu ?
[23:16] <silare> cmp_: Do you mean Evolution?
[23:17] <sheffne> I have radeon 9600 and I am running ubuntu.  Right before I see the desktop after a sucessful boot, the screen becomes a mish mash of colors and shapes rendering the comp unusable. Can som
[23:17] <cmp_> yes iam sorry,  silare?
[23:17] <p1und3r> anyone in here good with virtualbox that could help me get it connected to the internet
[23:17] <p1und3r> host ubuntu 9.04 guest win xp :D
[23:17] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: This is a rather long one, still looking for the printable page from Canonical: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Jaunty
[23:17] <SnowyCheetah750> ok
[23:17] <Adam> Can anyone answer my question?
[23:18] <cmp_> silare, my email on hotmail and i want only to setup my email details correctly , to send and receive
[23:18] <silare> cmp_: Oh, no problem. Uh... What kind of e-mail is it?
[23:18] <sheffne> I have radeon 9600 and I am running ubuntu.  Right before I see the desktop after a sucessful boot, the screen becomes a mish mash of colors and shapes rendering the comp unusable. Can som
[23:18] <silare> cmp_: Ohh, alright.
[23:18] <silare> cmp_: Have you set anything else up in Evolution yet?
[23:18] <Adam> cmp_, you can't use a hotmail email address on anything but the online email client.
[23:18] <cmp_> yes silare
[23:18] <cmp_> but its not working silare,
[23:19] <andrewzz> ok how do i turn the popups on the top right off? SO annoying
[23:19] <Adam> cmp_:You can't use Hotmail with evolution.
[23:19] <kansan> my freshly installed ubuntu jaunty release has just frozen (and i just installed it from scratch).  prior to installing; it did this as well;  is there any way to figure out WHY?  and how to fix it?
[23:19] <cmp_> why not adam?
[23:19] <andrewzz> cmp_: i think they make u pay for imap/pop could b wrong tho
[23:19] <Adam> Microsoft just don't allow it
[23:19] <silare> o_O You can't? I thought it used to be used for POP/IMAP.
[23:19] <Adam> They don't provide a pop server or anything
[23:20] <proq> does anyone know a tool to count the number of pdf pages?  pdftk and pdfinfo is close but gives the wrong number
[23:20] <sheffne> Can someone help me with my boot problem?
[23:20] <silare> They must have changed it... I know I used to be able to use it...
[23:20] <Adam> Nope
[23:20] <silare> =/
[23:20] <Adam> Yeah
[23:20] <Adam> They used to
[23:20] <Adam> Not any more
[23:20] <silare> Oh, that's lame. D:
[23:20] <Adam> I know
[23:20] <Adam> I use gmail now.
[23:20] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: From which to what? this is the 9.04 to 9.10, but 9.10 is still not released. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1222591&highlight=upgrade+version
[23:20] <cmp_> i was using this on outlook long time ago guys , and its not payed even ,     adam, andrewzz,
[23:20] <ubuntu> Anyone around willing to help with my GRUB problem? Boot info script at hand
[23:20] <Gnea> Adam, cmp_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200408
[23:20] <Adam> You CAN use it on Outlook
[23:21] <Adam> But nothing else
[23:21] <Gnea> Adam: wrong.
[23:21] <Adam> Outlook and Hotmail are both Microsoft products, see.
[23:21] <Adam> Oh, am I?
[23:21] <Gnea> see the link I just pasted
[23:21] <Adam> I looked into it for ages (wanted to do the same).  Will have a look at that link.
[23:22] <SnowyCheetah750> vigo: I was looking to upgrade to 9.04 from 8.10
[23:22] <person> Nautilus is telling me that the atime of all the files in a directory on my USB stick is the time of the last time I mounted it. Why?
[23:22] <Adam> Oh yeah, I do remember trying that.  Could never get it to work, but I didn't have this good-looking walkthrough.
[23:22] <Gnea> it doesn't seem to work directly, there are certain steps that need to be taken, but yes, it is possible
[23:22] <sheffne> Hello. Anyone here that can solve a graphics problem?
[23:22] <Adam> sheffne:Go on
[23:22] <andrewzz> what are the upper right notifications called so i can google how to rm them
[23:23] <sheffne> I have Radeon 9600 and before I get to desktop it just becomes a bunch of colors
[23:23] <losher> Adam: in general, an upgrade is supposed to keep all your stuff, but upgrades can, and occasionally do go wrong, so there's no substitute for having a backup that you can revert to in case it all goes horribly wrong. Does that answer your question?
[23:23] <ledbettj> @andrewzz: notify-osd
[23:23] <andrewzz> sheffne: tried turning desktops effects off?
[23:23] <andrewzz> ledbettj: thanks
[23:23] <Adam> Ooooohh, thanks losher.
[23:23] <FoolishOwl> Where can I find a network staffer? I want to request an "unaffiliated" cloak.
[23:23] <Adam> Thanks.
[23:23] <Gnea> sheffne: does it do this right after you install or after you enable the radeon driver?
[23:23] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: Ok, is basically the same routine as that, just change the versions around, and yes, 8.10 to 9.04 is the correct path. look at the Update Manager, I think there is a button/clicky there to do that easy.
[23:24] <andrewzz> ledbettj: apt-get remove that n done?
[23:24] <sheffne> gnea: it did this after I restarted basically
[23:24] <kazorin> Hey is this a place I can ask for some help? I have a sound issue.
[23:24] <Gnea> FoolishOwl: in #freenode
[23:24] <bienadicto16> hola
[23:24] <FoolishOwl> Gnea: thanks.
[23:24] <Adam> sheffne:Yes, turn desktop effects off, or, if that's impossible due to un-seeableness, use a different version of ubuntu which will probably have different drivers for your card.
[23:24] <person> kazorin: yes
[23:24] <burf> i tried adding some sources to my source list and got this error - what does it mean: W: GPG error: http://www.winischhofer.net ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2  thx
[23:24] <bienadicto16> speak spanish???
[23:24] <vigo> !es
[23:24] <Adam> sheffne:sounds like a driver issue.
[23:24] <losher> !es | bienadicto16
[23:24] <ledbettj> @andrewzz:that will get rid of those notifications, yup
[23:24] <andrewzz> great!!
[23:24] <Gnea> sheffne: restarted from what, exactly? I mean, was this a fresh install or did you install the driver from the menu and THEN restarted?
[23:24] <andrewzz> thx
[23:24] <cmp_> i dont know why there is always this message to me when i go with it on terminal to setup something ,   its telling me ( E:couldnt find the package )    so what i have to do Gnea, ?
[23:24] <bienadicto16> what?
[23:24] <SnowyCheetah750> vigo: there is. but last time i clicked that button, the installation failed after it had mostly installed itself. i performed the sudo upgrade and update things. should that make it work this time?
[23:25] <Gnea> cmp_: apt-cache search <whatever>  to get the correct packagename
[23:25] <caseyd> is there a way to add wine applications to package manager?
[23:25] <kazorin> person: Thanks. I only have a C-Media USB adapter for headsets, a fairly new one, and I get no sound. Even though I hear the clicking and stuff when my comp comes on.
[23:25] <sheffne> gnea: I installed the system and it worked fine.  Then I turned off the comp and after a while came back to it and it have me that
[23:25] <Adam> caseyd:Not really, no.
[23:25] <bienadicto16> I dont speak spanish
[23:25] <caseyd> Adam: thanks, just wondering.
[23:25] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: Yes, I had that error and the Update/Upgrade was the solution before running that.
[23:25] <Gnea> sheffne: I see. what are you using to type with now?
[23:25] <cmp_> Gnea, give me easy way to explain . not harder way
[23:26] <sheffne> Gnea: my macbook
[23:26] <SnowyCheetah750> vigo: Ok. I'll try it now. Thanks!
[23:26] <Gnea> cmp_: apt-cache search evolution   (typing it correctly is required)
[23:26] <Adam> caseyd:Anything you have installed with wine, though, will be in the ~./wine folder
[23:26] <cmp_> simply i want to setup my evolution Gnea.
[23:26] <Adam> So you could remove them from there.
[23:26] <Orpheus> is there any good game engines on ubuntu?
[23:26] <Adam> Orpheus:What do you mean by game engines?
[23:26] <Gnea> cmp_: the first time you run evolution, it will ask you to set up an account. just answer the questions.
[23:27] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: It should work, but always make a backup before doing system wide changes like that, make a backup becuase it is tuesday or 3pm. just make a backup.
[23:27] <bienadicto16> 	 who speaks English?
[23:27] <Orpheus> im learning videogame programming on windows
[23:27] <Adam> I speak English.
[23:27] <Sp0tter> everytime i boot my netbook in Ubuntu NBR , it makes me type in the pw for the wireless beacuse the kyering is locked,  how do i give the wireless access to the keyring perminantly?
[23:27] <Gnea> bienadicto16: we all do.
[23:27] <sheffne> Gnea: do you think reinstalling will help?
[23:27] <person> kazorin: I can't really help; have you got volume unmuted and turned up? Have you tried other output devices e.g. hDA Intel, AC/97 with different things like ALSA, Pulseaudio, etc? Apart from that, I can't really help.
[23:27] <Sp0tter> "Network Marnager Applet"
[23:27] <person> kazorin: Ask the channel, not me :P
[23:27] <bienadicto16> 	 who speaks English?
[23:28] <Tony[linux]> I do
[23:28] <SnowyCheetah750> vigo: is there a way to backup all of my installed programs and settings, or am i limited to just documents, pictures, etc.?
[23:28] <Gnea> sheffne: doubt it, does it start to screw up before or after the login screen?
[23:28] <kazorin> person: I just got off Windows 7. >.> Thanks.
[23:28] <sheffne> Gnea: before
[23:28] <person> Nautilus is telling me that the atime of all the files in a directory on my USB stick is the time of the last time I mounted it. How can I view the real atimes?
[23:28] <Adam> Orpheus:I do not have much experience with game engines, but Blender (the 3D modeller) has a built in game engine.  I have played games made with it and it works pretty well.
[23:28] <burf> i have teh latest version of ubuntu - is that kernal 2.6?
[23:28] <person> kazorin: s'okay
[23:28] <Orpheus> thanks
[23:28] <bienadicto16> mmmmmm
[23:28] <kazorin> Does anyone here know how to make a C-Media USB headset adapter work in Jaunty?
[23:28] <Orpheus> i will try blender
[23:29] <person> kazorin: I'm assuming you right-clicked and said 'open volume control' ?
[23:29] <Adam> Orpheus:Glad I helped a bit :)
[23:29] <burf> Copy all .c and .h files EXCEPT "sisfb.h" over the existing ones in the kernel source tree ([kernel-tree]/drivers/video/sis/). - where is the kernal tree does this mean the directory above the home folder?
[23:29] <vigo> SnowyCheetah750: All you really need to backup is Home and whatever documents and add ons that you did, look at !backups
[23:29] <Gnea> !english | bienadicto16
[23:29] <Gnea> lag.
[23:29] <bienadicto16> 	 I have a question for ubun?
[23:29] <person> kazorin: On the sound applet, that is?
[23:29] <Adam> bienadicto16: GO!
[23:29] <vigo> !backup
[23:29] <kazorin> person: Yeah, I opened volume control. Tried editing System>Properties>Sound too. OSS gives me a steady beep under testing but other then that, no sound.
[23:29] <Orpheus> yeah i switch to ubuntu like 3 months ago and trying this out now
[23:29] <bienadicto16> 	 I have a question for ubuntu 9.04?
[23:30] <Adam> bienadicto16:Go ahead.
[23:30] <cmp_> Gnea, what is the type of the server.    POP ??
[23:30] <person> kazorin: Have you used different applications to test sound?
[23:30] <kazorin> person: I have no sound to test. I did just install flash on FF, maybe I'll give a youtube video a try, one second.
[23:30] <bienadicto16> the problem is that I do not speak English
[23:31] <Myrtti> bienadicto16: what language do you speak
[23:31] <Orpheus> try to open volume control click mutu and unmute irt work for me
[23:31] <person> kazorin: Yeah, I dunno maybe it's the audio playback engine thingy
[23:31] <bienadicto16> and nose how to explain
[23:31] <bienadicto16> ADAM
[23:31] <person> Or whatever you call it, things like gstreamer, xine, etc
[23:31] <Adam> bienadicto16:There are lots of other unofficial ubuntu channels that speak other languages, go and try one of those.  This is supposed to be for English speakers.  Oooh, that sounds a bit aggressive.  Didn't mean it like that.
[23:31] <kazorin> person: English...? XD And, nope, no playback on firefox either.
[23:31] <Orpheus> open volume control mute and unmute
[23:32] <Orpheus> u should have sound
[23:32] <GuidMorrow> where do I get a virus scanner for ubuntu
[23:32] <person> kazorin: Are Master and PCM turned up?
[23:32] <Adam> GuidMorrow:avast! Antivirus is available for Ubuntu.
[23:32] <Adam> And it's really good.  Go get it.
[23:32] <burf> anyone know a good tutorial on the linux filesystem - structure - its about time i looked into it i think
[23:32] <kazorin> person: Yeah I have everything up. This OS was just installed today, everything's standard. Tried one fix in the alsa-base but that didn't work so I reverted it.
[23:33] <bienadicto16> 	 Ubuntu some other chat in Spanish who gives me the link?
[23:33] <person> kazorin: Ask somebody more skilled than me :P
[23:33] <Adam> GuidMorrow:I don't know why you want a virus scanner though, there are hardly any viruses for Ubuntu.
[23:33] <Myrtti> !es > bienadicto16
[23:33] <cmp_> Gnea,  i have choosed POP. now i have got more questions like  :    SERVER      , what should i type there ?
[23:33] <kazorin> person: Thanks anyways :D
[23:33] <vigo> !antivirus GuidMorrow
[23:33] <person> okay kazorin
[23:33] <Orpheus> kazorin open volume control mute an d unmute  i had the same prolblem too
[23:33] <kazorin> orpheus: I just did that and still have no sound.
[23:33] <adub_> does anyone in here have at&t internet service
[23:33] <losher> Myrtti: we've already been through this once with bienadicto16. I'm starting to think he's a troll..
[23:34] <vigo> GuiodMorrow: ClamAV and a bunch of others are available in the repositories.
[23:34] <Gnea> cmp_: you're supposed to have this information from your provider already
[23:34] <Myrtti> losher: benefit of doubt
[23:34] <Orpheus> sorry
[23:34] <vigo> !virus
[23:34] <losher> Myrtti: as you wish...
[23:34] <person> Is this sane? sudo mount -o relatime <device> <mountpoint>
[23:34] <cmp_> Gnea , what i should type?????
[23:35] <Gnea> cmp_: if it's hotmail, you need to look on hotmail's help website to get that info
[23:35] <joshua1982> @help hamachi
[23:36] <bienadicto16> Could you give me the link of another chat in Spanish Ubuntu ?
[23:36] <vigo> GuidMorrow: While Linux is almost untouched by Viri, it is nice to scan stuff that is received and sent over the Internet to thwart the kooks that write thos nasty things.
[23:36] <Gnea> !es | bienadicto16
[23:37] <Myrtti> bienadicto16: you were given it.
[23:37] <bienadicto16> tanks UBOTTU
[23:37] <felipeantonio> y como se accesa a ellos?
[23:37] <bienadicto16> si como
[23:37] <Myrtti> !english
[23:37] <GuidMorrow> where is avast for linux
[23:37] <zopiac> ok why the heck was Quake4 running twice, taking up a gig of RAM? when i DIDNT EVEN OPEN IT?!?
[23:37] <bienadicto16> 	 as access to them
[23:37] <Gnea> zopiac: I didn't do it.
[23:38] <Gnea> :)
[23:38] <zopiac> lol
[23:38] <vigo> !virus | GuidMorrow
[23:38] <Myrtti> bienadicto16: /join #ubuntu-es
[23:38] <XIX> (f)
[23:38] <bienadicto16> tanks
[23:38] <felipeantonio> Excuse me!!! Where can I acces the spanish room
[23:38] <bienadicto16> felipe antonio
[23:38] <bienadicto16> ya tengo el lick
[23:38] <bienadicto16> vamox para ay jajaja
[23:38] <Gnea> !es | Filbert-
[23:38] <Gnea> ...
[23:38] <felipeantonio> yaay
[23:39] <Gnea> felipeantonio: /join #ubuntu-es please
[23:39] <bienadicto16> aya perdon
[23:39] <Gnea> por favor
[23:39] <paxton00> I am having an issues running the sudo command. It never asks me for a password and displays Sorry, try again "three" time and finally says sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts.
[23:39] <Stunts> hi
[23:39] <vigo> GuidMorrow: Open Synaptic, search anti virus, the packages that work on Ubuntu will be listed.
[23:39] <Stunts>  anyone know the grub command to change the diplay refresh rate before kernel loads?
[23:40] <Gnea> Stunts: there is none.
[23:40] <XPelargos> hi all
[23:40] <XPelargos> newbie here
[23:40] <Stunts> great...
[23:40] <GuidMorrow> WTH i386 PACKAGE
[23:40] <binarymutant> how do I change my $SHELL to zsh? I tried with chsh but it didn't work :/
[23:40] <Gnea> Stunts: your monitor should be able to do that
[23:40] <Stunts> my laptop doesnt like the refresh rate that it tried to use when kernel loads
[23:40] <Myrtti> binarymutant: chsh
[23:41] <Gnea> binarymutant: is it listed in /etc/shells?
[23:41] <Stunts> ?
[23:41] <XPelargos> Can I run a live CD of linux on my mac without installing/overwriting anything?
[23:41]  * Myrtti reads the question again
[23:41] <Linux-IRC> !ubuntu
[23:41] <binarymutant> Gnea, yes
[23:41] <Linux-IRC> !kde
[23:41] <Gnea> !laptop | Stunts (look your laptop up on these sites, they should have some suggestions for what you should set your verticle and horizontal rates to)
[23:41] <joshua1982> !hamachi
[23:41] <binarymutant> Myrtti, tried that, it changed my login shell but my $SHELL remained at bash
[23:42] <joshua1982> quit
[23:42] <Gnea> binarymutant: okay, when you type chsh, you're giving it the whole path, right?
[23:42] <binarymutant> Gnea, yes
[23:42] <Stunts> k, its an acient compaq armada 3500, not enuf ram for ubuntu but no1 is talking in the kubuntu so i came here
[23:43] <Gnea> binarymutant: does it give you an error message when you try?
[23:43] <untermensch> does anyone know where the synergc conf file is located?
[23:43] <paxton00> Can anybody tell me how to authenticate users to the original installation?
[23:43] <vigo> Stunts: Are you using Xubuntu or XFCE, there are also some that are designed for older hardware.
[23:44] <binarymutant> Gnea, no, it changes my login shell but when I restart a terminal and echo $SHELL it still says /bin/bash
[23:44] <Stunts> xubuntu
[23:44] <suman> why is the apache web service callled apache2 instead of httpd, in ubuntu??
[23:44] <Gnea> binarymutant: what does it say for Shell: when you finger your username?  like:  finger gnea
[23:44] <binarymutant> gnome, Shell: /bin/zsh :/
[23:45] <untermensch> suman: that's the way apache wants it
[23:45] <vigo> Stunts: Xubuntu is about the lightest there is, but there is also one lighter. let me find it.
[23:45] <Stunts> crunchbang
[23:45] <Gnea> binarymutant: okay, have you logged out, then logged in again?
[23:45] <burf> huys does linux have something similar to API in windows for developing?
[23:45] <binarymutant> Gnea, log all the way out, not just restart the terminal/
[23:45] <burf> ie calling  fucntions that ubuntu uses itself
[23:45] <Gnea> binarymutant: exactly
[23:45] <binarymutant> will try thank you Gnea :)
[23:45] <kazorin> Does anyone know how to fix usb sound not working? I found a workaround to set the USB sound module to 0 instead of 1, but it won't work still.
[23:45] <Lint> burf, no just a bunch of incompatible libraries
[23:46] <Gnea> binarymutant: let me know if that works please :)
[23:46] <Gnea> kazorin: which usb soundcard?
[23:46] <mezquitale> kazorin, are you using jaunty?
[23:46] <kazorin> Gnea: All I have is a C-Media or some such.
[23:46] <binarymutant> Gnea, ty :D
[23:46] <Bravewolf> is there someone with experiences with trust wb-1400t webcam? I found very different opinions about it....
[23:46] <Gnea> kazorin: need the exact make & model, please
[23:46] <vigo> Stunts: Here it is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[23:46] <kazorin> mezquitale: Jaunty...9.04? yeah. Sorry, i'm new to linux :P
[23:47] <kazorin> Gnea: One second.
[23:47] <burf> lint - so you cant use them?
[23:47] <Lint> burf, you can, but it's API changes often
[23:47] <paxton00> Can someone tell me how to undo active directory authentication?
[23:47] <XIX> quake live
[23:48] <kazorin> Gnea: How would I find that information, again? x.x
[23:48] <Gnea> paxton00: how did you do it?
[23:48] <Gnea> kazorin: look on the soundcard itself
[23:48] <r3l1c> Hi everyone. I am getting this error while trying to update after updating failed with this same error - E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[23:48] <r3l1c> anyone know a fix?
[23:48] <kazorin> Gnea: It only says Koss Stereophones on it. It's a usb adapter for my plantronics headset.
[23:48] <Guest35919> heya, can anyone help with a XDMCP problem? for some reason i can only remote login once ive already loged in on the host localy, is it possible to remote login without the host running anything except gdm?
[23:48] <burf> ah i see - ok thx
[23:48] <Gnea> r3l1c: hrm, try this:  sudo apt-get -f install
[23:48] <mezquitale> kazorin, that's OK, go to "system->preferences->sound" in there you can configure which sound card to use.  I have music and movies configured to my USB card that is hooked up to my stereo, everything like firefox plays on my headphones
[23:48] <burf> anyone here use python?
[23:49] <Gnea> kazorin: sec
[23:49] <r3l1c> Gnea:  Here is the error from the -f install option E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:50] <r3l1c> Gnea:  sorry 1 moment please
[23:50] <burf> ive been writing sofwtare in VB for years but obviously the jump into linux means i cant write VB sofwtare - even with an emulator its pointless due to the file structure and the fact theres no registry - is it worth learning python or somthing else - i dont wanna jump into C or C++
[23:50] <paxton00> Gena, I used the Ubuntu Active Directory how to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[23:50] <Gouda> !xine | gouda
[23:50] <r3l1c> Gnea:  I get a segment fault on tzdata and the update fails with the same error
[23:50] <Gouda> Anyone here familiar with xine engine and how to get it installed?
[23:51] <caseyd> anyone have  time to teach a linux newby how to install the .tgz file from this site, http://www.phunland.com/wiki/Download
[23:51] <r3l1c> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[23:51] <Guest35919> anyone know anything bout XDMCP?
[23:51] <paxton00> Gena, I used the Ubuntu Active Directory how to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto. I believe it uses Kerberos
[23:52] <r3l1c> paxton00:  on desktop or server?
[23:52] <paxton00> server
[23:52] <Gnea> r3l1c: some other process is trying to update?
[23:52] <vigo> burf: Try Python or anything, use VIM,Emacs,Nano or whatever editor you like.
[23:53] <r3l1c> Gnea:  Yes, but I fixed it and re-ran the command. no luck same error
[23:53] <burf> python is a line based language tho right (like dos/basic )
[23:53] <r3l1c> paxton00:  I remember seeing a way to do that from cli in the likewise-open documentation.
[23:53] <burf> it has no GUI?
[23:54] <Guest35919> no one ever use XDMCP? remote login?
[23:54] <cmp_> ok guys i admit iam stupid in this ubuntu system .. i dont know and i dont see and i cant understand any of this **** system . if any one got help here before in his life - it would be kind to give it back to some body else like me who need it . if no one is willing to help, said it clearly - so i can delete this **** system at all .
[23:54] <r3l1c> <----uses ssh -X
[23:54] <vigo> burf: That is where the editor you choose comes in, and the language, I like Ruby.
[23:55] <burf> i thought ruby was to do with php (on rails)
[23:55] <Bluey> cmp what is your problem?
[23:55] <Lint> cmp_, if your time is valuable, just migrate to Windows
[23:55] <theatro> cmp_, there are many guides and howtos on the site and a helpful forum, it is all there for you
[23:56] <vigo> burf: Ruby can be just about anything, go Rails or go Dirt Road,,(I do not think Mattz released a dirt road version) but that is what I call the clean one.
[23:56] <cmp_> theatro, then why you all people are here if every thing available on the forums. ?
[23:56] <jikuty> is there a way to convert a normal ubuntu installation to an ubuntu minimal installation? or, better yet, does anyone know where i can find the package list for the ubuntu minimal cd?
[23:56] <burf> im gonan look up a tutorial on python anyway and chec it out - i want a program i can build a desktop app with tho - forms, buttons etc..
[23:56] <Gnea> kazorin: check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21576
[23:56] <Gnea> !pm | paxton00
[23:56] <theatro> cmp_, better pay
[23:56] <cmp_> bluey, my problem is simply i want some one to tell me how to setup my mail with evolution program
[23:57] <burf> but ruby is scripting style language right - like php?
[23:57] <paxton00> Sorry, new to this.
[23:57] <Bluey> cmp I don't use evolution but I might be able to help -- private mssage ok?
[23:57] <r3l1c> Gnea:  I made an attempt to install kslpice but the installer failed because of the tzdata script
[23:57] <cmp_> wow theatro,  this is how you can help in such room ,. and you consider your self her to support ?
[23:57] <Jason86> can someone confirm if Opera 9.64 was removed from the "Synaptic Package Manager"?
[23:58] <Guest35919> anyone ever used XDMP?
[23:58] <danbhfyvito> cmp_: what's the problem?
[23:58] <vigo> burf: we are getting a little off-topic here, please /join #ubuntu-offtopic and we can continue.
[23:58] <kazorin> Gnea: Rebooting to try, thanks.
[23:58] <IdleOne> danbhfyvito: it is a language barrier. I don't think he got theatro's joke about better pay
[23:58] <cmp_> danbhfyvito. again - i want to setup my email with evolution ,
[23:58] <Gnea> paxton00: sorry, didn't see your response above. you said Gena, it's Gnea.
[23:58] <Gnea> paxton00: just change configuration in your smb.conf and restart samba
[23:58] <Bluey> cmp has a problem setting up evolution, I offered help, but he didn't ack private message...
[23:59] <paxton00> Gnea: I uninstalled all of the packages and configurations, now I get an error trying to sudo. It never asks me for a password but acts like I put a password in three times.
[23:59] <Gnea> r3l1c: I'm a bit lost - you said that another process has the lockfile locked?
[23:59] <Lint> cmp_, you're trying to connect to Exchange server?
[23:59] <Supersaiyan_IV> Jason86, no trace of opera
[23:59] <Jason86> ok
[23:59] <cmp_> bluey, i asked you about it to continue with me - but you didnt respond - iam here waiting if you want to help
[23:59] <r3l1c> Gnea:  no other process but it still failed


[02:37] <centaur5> Does anybody have any ideas on why Intrepid doesn't find the HTTP location for the CD to install from or load the user information from a preseed file?
[03:11] <lukehasnoname_> What does it mean to "Manage system with Landscape" in the Ibex server? I can't find any documentation on that.
[03:57] <blunder> ok guys
[03:58] <blunder> is there a command to disable services
[04:00] <blunder> nevermind.... I thought my server was running sendmail/postfix or whatever
[04:17] <blunder> ok guys see you later
[08:00] <lukehasnoname> anyone?
[08:05] <henkjan> !ask
[08:05] <lukehasnoname> I asked hours ago
[08:05] <kraut> moin
[08:06] <lukehasnoname> I asked what benefit I would get as a non-paying customer to select "Manage system with Landscape" in the server install. There is no documentation in the server guide about what this option actually entails.
[08:14] <nijaba> lukehasnoname: the option only makes sense if you pay for Landscape, as it will register your server with Landscape and install the full client.
[08:16] <lukehasnoname> That's what I was thinking, but I didn't know if there was any "free" part of Landscape, or something I didn't know about, since it's not mentioned in the install.
[08:16] <lukehasnoname> and the automatic updates just install security updates every so often?
[08:22] <nijaba> lukehasnoname: the free part of Landscape is now installed by default.  You'll notice it when you login via a text console
[08:23] <nijaba> lukehasnoname: automatic update installs unattended-upgrades which installs updates once a day
[08:33] <lukehasnoname> thanks
[09:33] <lukehasnoname> The virtualization part of the Server Guide should, in my opinion, be changed to reflect the use of the "virt-host task" method of virtual host setup
[11:08] <Gargoyle> Greeting from the other side of the firewall - why didn't I think of using an ssh tunnel as a socks proxy sooner!? :D
[11:19] <mvo> is there someone particularly attached to ucf? the three-way merge feature seems to cause a log of grief during upgrades (e.g. bug #293539)
[11:25]  * soren thinks ucf's three way merge is sexy
[11:26] <soren> mvo: For Samba, blame slangasek :)
[12:04]  * soren hates bugs
[12:08] <domas> huh, mysql bugs are the most common, it seems
[13:54] <dou213> hey u guys, got a problem with my ubuntu server: bought today another NIC for my server so that it has 2 in order to set it up as gateway and firewall for my network. i connected one NIC to the DSL-Modem and the other to the switch, where the clients are connected also. What settings do i have to take care of now?
[13:57] <mathiaz> dou213: you need to setup a gateway with masquerading enabled. See https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html for more information on how to do that with 8.04
[14:00] <dou213> mathiaz: thx in advance, i'm really tired now, i'll look it up later, can i come b 2 u with questions later on if i have problems with it?
[14:01] <mathiaz> dou213: sure. Come back to this channel and ask your questions here. Many other people here will probably be able to help you out too.
[14:01] <dou213> thx cya later.
[14:21] <mathiaz> !serverguide
[14:21] <mathiaz> !inetd
[14:22] <mathiaz> !openssl
[14:22] <mathiaz> !msa
[14:22] <mathiaz> !mra
[14:24] <mathiaz> kirkland: are you still making improvement to the manpage repository?
[14:24] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm currently cleaning the server team roadmap
[14:56] <frontmill1> hey
[14:56] <frontmill1> I have a question, hope someone can help me :p
[14:57] <ScottK> !ask | frontmill1
[14:57] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes, i am
[14:57] <kirkland> mathiaz: i have a set of changes that are awaiting audit by kees
[14:58] <frontmill1> I have an old computer with 500mhz and 192mb memory, do you think it would be recommenable to install ubuntu-server on it? Or is the pc too crappy and would you reccommend installing another linux OS?
[14:59] <ScottK> frontmill1: What CPU?
[15:00] <frontmill1> AMD k6 500 mhz
[15:03] <matthewi> frontmill1: it should run, but it really depends on what you intend to use it for whether the performance will be adequate
[15:03] <matthewi> what services do you intend to run?
[15:04] <frontmill1> matthewi: I will mainly be using it as webdevelopment environment, I want to host 1 or several repositories and I might use it as printserver too
[15:04] <frontmill1> 1 or several SVN reop's*
[15:04] <frontmill1> repo's
[15:05] <matthewi> i think it will work fine; I've run a similar setup in the past
[15:05] <matthewi> if your using mysql or another database it could be a little sluggish
[15:05] <matthewi> but it should work for a dev environment
[15:05] <frontmill1> okay, thank you bery much
[15:06] <frontmill1> I guess using the alternate cd would be reccommendable?
[15:09] <thefish> can sysklogd send logs from diffent machines to different files? I have another machine sending its logs, this works fine if I use *.* /logile, (remote is sending *.* @thishost), but is there a filter i can use for just that machine, so i can have a log per machine?
[15:10] <thefish> eg machine1.* /var/log/machine1
[15:16] <matthewi> frontmill1:  i've uses the text-based install on the alternate cd in the past
[15:16] <matthewi> but i think current releases have their own server cd you could use
[15:43] <FrozenIRSSI> I'm having a slight issue with our new ubuntu-server 8.04 - it's a very isolated issue, but we're not entirely sure where to look yet
[15:43] <FrozenIRSSI> when visiting one particular page on our site, SOME users (like... 3 that we know of) are getting a Network Error (tcp_error) A communication error occured: '''' The web server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests.  YOu may wish to try again at a later time.
[15:44] <FrozenIRSSI> It's 3 separate users, we can't replicate the issue internally, and didn't happen on our old novell server we just swapped from
[15:44] <FrozenIRSSI> same code, similar php versions, same apache2 version
[15:57] <kees> kirkland: oh, which changes need my audit?
[16:02] <nijaba> server meeting currently starting in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:33] <Karamon> Hello, I'm looking for the default envvars.conf file for apache on a default server environment.  I deleted it like an idiot..
[16:34] <Karamon> Does anyone know where I can find this?
[16:34] <ivoks> apt-get --reinstall install <name of the package>
[16:34] <Karamon> ivoks - If I do that, will it overwrite custom config files that I have set up already?
[16:34] <ivoks> it will ask you
[16:35] <Karamon> Cool
[16:35] <Karamon> Thanks!
[16:35] <ivoks> if you changed apache2.conf or something
[16:35] <FrozenIRSSI> i figured out my issue.  The customer has a proxy server that apparently doesn't like the fact that we switched servers. Thanks anyways for the help.
[16:36] <ivoks> Karamon: that's apache2.2-common package
[16:38] <ivoks> soren: congrats on becoming the D-person :)
[16:38] <Karamon> ivoks: I ran the install, but it didn't prompt me to overwrite anything and the file still didn't appear.
[16:39] <ivoks> oh
[16:40] <ivoks> Karamon: that's envvars
[16:40] <Karamon> Thanks :)
[16:40] <ivoks> without the .conf
[16:41] <ivoks> bbl
[16:42] <soren> ivoks: "D-person"?
[16:44]  * ogra wonders if thats the driver of the d-bus :)
[16:56] <domas> damn, jfs deadlocks on other server
[17:12] <kab> I want to setup a dns server, I used this HowTo https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto, but I get    * Starting domain name service... bind9                                                                                named: chroot(): Permission denied
[17:12] <kab> I google the problem and the more common response is to remove apparmor, but I want to run with apparmor
[17:20] <kraut> might be offtopic but i'll get anyhwere else an answer. i just upgraded from hardy to intrepid and my workstation with mdraids will boot now with degraded arrays. with the old kernel everything works fine.
[17:20] <kraut> does anybody know, why this happens?
[17:25] <kraut>        0     254        4        0      active sync   /dev/block/254:4
[17:25] <kraut> what the hack is that for a device?
[17:26] <domas> kraut: cat /proc/devices, check the 'block' section
[17:29] <kraut> domas: http://pastebin.com/m6db7c463
[17:29] <domas> then thats your LVM volume ;-)
[17:29] <kraut> and where are sda und sdb?
[17:29] <kraut> i'm not using lvm
[17:29] <domas> sda/sdb are under 'sd'
[17:29] <domas> you are using LVM
[17:30] <domas> at least it is loaded and visible by kernel
[17:30] <kraut> i'm not using lvm!
[17:31] <kraut> domas: http://pastebin.com/m185e87db
[17:31] <domas> lsmod :))
[17:32] <kraut> domas: http://pastebin.com/mb6b3d48
[17:33] <kraut> do you believe me now? :)
[17:33] <kraut> is that a problem with fakeraid?
[17:33] <domas> what are these dm_ modules doing there? :)
[17:33] <kraut> no idea
[17:34] <domas> these are all 'device mapper'
[17:34] <kraut> i installed that raid by using the alternate installer
[17:34] <domas> so yes, thats your software raid
[17:34] <kraut> but it's degraded
[17:34] <kraut> http://pastebin.com/m59d8183b
[17:34] <kraut> domas: ^
[17:35] <kraut> and with mdadm --detail the second device is missing
[17:35] <kraut> md1 is totally missing
[17:41] <KingOfDos> Can someone help me with a strange problem, after a server update from Ubuntu 8.04 (server) to Ubuntu 8.10 (server)?
[17:41] <KingOfDos> http://dev.kingofdos.com/tmp/ubuntu810-serverproblem.jpg
[17:42] <KingOfDos> that's the only thing that I can get from the server (by using a normal boot).
[17:43] <mvo> KingOfDos: have you tried the recovery boot option? does that work?
[17:45] <KingOfDos> the server is not completing it's boot. when i press ctrl+alt+del at that point after a while (30 seconds or something) I can login to the tty. when i take a look at the mounted disks it "looks" that i'm missing the /home and i've got no /var/log
[17:46] <KingOfDos> mvo: no, didn't try that. the update was completed at 17:45, the reboot at 17:50.
[17:47] <KingOfDos> after that i'd take a quick look at the server. tomorrow from 08:00 i'm working on that device again.
[17:48] <KingOfDos> so far I can see there is no harddisk broken, and my scsi card seems to work fine (according to HP iLO)
[17:53] <KingOfDos> anyhow, the first thing i'll try is the recovery boot from the bootcd
[17:56] <KingOfDos> perhaps that i'm first copying the complete /etc to another server, so my settings will be saved (specially the firewall and the openvpn setup). after that the recovery boot option.
[17:59] <kraut> domas?
[18:13] <ivoks> take care guys
[18:21] <Lns> I upgraded to the latest -server kernel the other week (well, the mix of 'em) and ever since, I've been having major dhcpd issues. Is there any information on this or should I describe further?
[18:24] <josh_> how do i connect my ubuntu desktop to my macbook without ethernet?
[18:25] <Lns> josh_: I think this is the wrong chan for that..try #ubuntu
[18:25] <josh_> tried there first. no one is there
[18:26] <Lns> no one there? I'd try again... ;) There's probably more people in #ubuntu than anywhere else on freenode
[18:27] <josh_> ok, there are people there but no one has answered
[18:30] <jgjones> josh_, a suggestion - you could try #ubuntu-(country code) - ie for UK there's #ubuntu-uk and so on - smaller number of folks and perhaps more likely to respond - try searching for it in channel list.
[18:30] <josh_> thanks
[18:30] <Lns> Can anyone comment on this thread? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=48CE65D600038BC2%40mail-h3g-1.mail.tiscali.sys&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
[18:35] <Lns> Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? :p
[18:45] <baversjo> Hello! I am using ubuntu server and I have a problem regarding PAM limits. The group I would like to limit is the group "ssh", only one session of each user in the ssh group should be able to be logged in at the same time. I'm able to do this in the file limits.conf but the problem is that I want to disconnect the old user session if a new user session was started with the same username. Now, when a user is fo
[18:47] <baversjo> Do I have to make my own code or is this feature allready included in Ubuntu server?
[18:49] <grout> im trying to start mediatomb on my server so i run sudo mediatomb but as soon as i log off the ssh session it shuts down, how can i keep it running?
[18:52] <baversjo> Anyone? :=)
[18:53] <josh_> I am installing ubuntu server to run a website for a friend and work as a home server. Which sever software packages do i need to download?
[18:56] <KingOfDos> apache2 :)
[18:56] <KingOfDos> do you need a database, php, perl, other languages, etc?
[18:57] <josh_> i was asking about the installing options that come on the disk.  I just chose to install all of them
[18:58] <baversjo> josh_: Just install LAMP and Samba and you are good to go ^^^
[19:00] <josh_> i already started installing all of them.  so what are LAMP and Samba
[19:01] <baversjo> LAMP is Linux Apache Mysql PHP. That is everything you need to host a website on your server. Samba is windows file and printer sharing so you can share files and printers with windows systems in your network.
[19:03] <josh_> ok
[19:04] <baversjo> I am using ubuntu server and I have a problem regarding PAM limits. The group I would like to limit is the group "ssh", only one session of each user in the ssh group should be able to be logged in at the same time. I'm able to do this in the file limits.conf but the problem is that I want to disconnect the old user session if a new user session was started with the same username. Now, when a user is for examp
[19:11] <grout> What can i use on my ubuntu server to share files.  Theres no windows machines on the network so nfs should work.  Is there an easier option besides nfs?
[19:11] <grout> like webdav maybe?
[19:14] <andol> grout: Well, if you have an sshd running I guess you could use sshfs from your other computers.
[19:14] <grout> im just saying whats the best option?
[19:14] <grout> whats the most common option samaba?
[19:14] <grout> samba?
[19:16] <andol> grout: best option? Depends on what you want to accomplish.
[19:18] <Deeps> cifs and nfs both have their own strenghs and weaknesses, for simple generic filesharing without much complication, there's not much between them
[19:30] <josh_> is it a CLI?
[19:30] <dou213> i installed yesterday a SSH-server on my ubuntu server, now i restarted the server and i can't connect from a client anymore?
[19:30] <josh_> is it all CLI?
[19:30] <dou213> i restarted the ssh on the server
[19:30] <dou213> still can't connect
[19:32] <KiNnaZ> domas netsat -an | grep 22
[19:32] <KiNnaZ> aww
[19:32] <KiNnaZ> dou213 netsat -an | grep 22
[19:32] <dou213> what should i point out?
[19:33] <KiNnaZ> tcp 0 0 <IP_ADDRESS>:22 <IP_ADDRESS>:* LISTEN
[19:33] <KiNnaZ> should have smt like that
[19:33] <dou213> yes
[19:33] <dou213> it has
[19:33] <KiNnaZ> then it must be your firewall
[19:34] <dou213> i installed some new packages 2day, dnsmasq and ipmasq
[19:34] <dou213> wanted to try to make it gateway
[19:34] <dou213> but i deinstalled them both when i saw i can't :)
[19:35] <KiNnaZ> dou213 offtopic but i would suggest using iptables nat for gateway functions
[19:35] <josh_> is ubuntu server just run as a server or can it run as a home computer also?  is it all CLI?
[19:35] <KiNnaZ> dou213 you could try to see if you have any iptables rules in place iptables-save > somefile
[19:35] <dou213> josh_: yes it's only CLI
[19:36] <dou213> josh_: nevertheless u can install a GUI
[19:36] <dou213> josh_: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:37] <MatBoy> do I always need to copy all dirs and files to make a jail for a user ?
[19:37] <dou213> KiNnaZ: i'm a big newcomer in this, can u be more explicit, what are the commands to do this?
[19:37] <KiNnaZ> dou213 iptables-save > somefile
[19:37] <MatBoy> I would like to use something like AMD that you have on FreeBSD
[19:37] <KiNnaZ> dou213 after that check the contense of that file
[19:38] <KiNnaZ> dou213 or you could try /etc/init.d/iptables stop
[19:38] <KiNnaZ> dou213 if you havent changed ssh configuration it must be somekind of problem with firewall
[19:38] <KiNnaZ> dou213 can you connect to other services okey ?
[19:39] <dou213> KiNnaZ: let
[19:39] <dou213> s take it one after the other :)
[19:39] <dou213> i did that with somefile
[19:39] <dou213> then i sudo cat somefile
[19:39] <dou213> what should i look after?
[19:40] <KiNnaZ> dou213 deny or smt
[19:40] <KiNnaZ> dou213 did you build the firewall ?
[19:40] <KiNnaZ> i quess not
[19:40] <KiNnaZ> dou213 did you use somekind of firewall rules generator to create the firewall ?
[19:40] <TrioTorus> setting up a file and webserver. Got 1TB available, what's a good plan for swap partition size?
[19:40] <dou213> all entries in this file are from fail2ban... a program i installed for the ssh-server so that it is more fiable against attacks
[19:41] <KiNnaZ> dou213 that fail2ban is whats hurting you for sure
[19:41] <TrioTorus> 2GB of ram available
[19:41] <dou213> KiNnaZ: no deny in the somefile-list
[19:41] <KiNnaZ> dou213 you should revise it's configuration
[19:41] <dou213> KiNnaZ: how come? yesterday it went all good
[19:41] <dou213> KiNnaZ: i could connect to it
[19:41] <KiNnaZ> i have really no knowledge of that fail2ban
[19:42] <dou213> KiNnaZ: hmm, ok i'll go through the config files again
[19:42] <dou213> brb
[19:42] <Deeps> TrioTorus: double your ram, is the general rule
[19:43] <TrioTorus> Deeps:  thx
[19:44] <TrioTorus> can my swap use lvm2?
[19:51] <TrioTorus> is /boot on lvm supported now in 8.10?
[19:51] <dou213> KiNnaZ: i tried to `sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop`, it says   no such file or directory
[19:52] <KiNnaZ> dou213 one option could be to flush the iptables, thou ALL settings will be removed from there iptables-flush for that
[19:53] <KiNnaZ> dou213 iptables --FLUSH
[19:53] <KiNnaZ> even
[19:53] <KiNnaZ> dou213 thou can use iptables-save > file and iptables-restore < file
[19:53] <KiNnaZ> to save and restore it aswell
[19:56] <KiNnaZ> dou213 ah and the line to look for from the iptables-save should be REJECT not DENY
[19:56] <KiNnaZ> sorry for giving out misleading information
[19:57] <dou213> KiNnaZ: np, wasn't that misleading at all ;)
[19:59] <dou213> KiNnaZ: i tried to ping the host from the client, can't see him... so there i definetely a firewall in the way... but i can't say what it is, this is the link which i followed today: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Router
[19:59] <dou213> KiNnaZ: look only at the commands, the rest is another language
[20:00] <dou213> KiNnaZ: hopefully u can figure out what i did and maybe some solution do undo it...
[20:00] <dou213> *to
[20:00] <KiNnaZ> dou213 could you paste that output from iptables-save to somewhere
[20:00] <dou213> no, i've flushed iptables, now there is nothing in it
[20:00] <KiNnaZ> dou213 thou theoreticaly iptables --flush should remove all rules from firewall
[20:01] <KiNnaZ> dou213 and still no connection to ssh ?
[20:01] <dou213> nope :(
[20:01] <KiNnaZ> dou213 check /etc/hosts.deny
[20:02] <dou213> KiNnaZ: every line in /etc/hosts.deny is commented: with # in front
[20:03] <KiNnaZ> dou213 is the box in internet ?
[20:03] <dou213> KiNnaZ: no
[20:03] <dou213> KiNnaZ: did u have a look on the link i sent u
[20:03] <KiNnaZ> dou213 yeah nothing there that could hurt imho
[20:03] <dou213> KiNnaZ: the commands listed there are those which i played today
[20:04] <dou213> KiNnaZ: i could put the box online
[20:04] <dou213> KiNnaZ: but what would it help?
[20:04] <KiNnaZ> was just wondering would have tried to nmap it or smt
[20:04] <KiNnaZ> then could be sure that smt is blocking just your ip
[20:06] <dou213> KiNnaZ: gotta reconnect to the net here in order to put the server online
[20:06] <KiNnaZ> dou213 dunno if it helps but you could try to stop the fail2ban
[20:06] <dou213> KiNnaZ: ok trying that first
[20:06] <KiNnaZ> dou213 and check fail2ban log files for any bans or smt
[20:07] <dou213> stop fail2ban with: `sudo /etc/init.d/fail2ban stop` ?
[20:07] <KiNnaZ> quess so
[20:07] <KingOfDos> offtopic: is fail2ban supporting ipv6?
[20:07] <KiNnaZ> KingOfDos if it uses iptables, in theory it could
[20:07] <dou213> y i've read about it
[20:08] <KingOfDos> ah nice, then i'll try to find something usefull soon.
[20:08] <KingOfDos> in about 2 months i've got native ipv6 at the datacenter. so i'm preparing for that.
[20:08] <KiNnaZ> ipv6 for the win :)
[20:09] <dou213> KiNnaZ: tried stopping fail2ban, won't work either...
[20:09] <KiNnaZ> dou213 check the log files then, see if it has banned anything so far
[20:10] <dou213> KiNnaZ: already checked them... `sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE` this command, couldn't it be cuz of this?
[20:10] <KiNnaZ> dou213 it justs enables of NAT
[20:11] <dou213> KiNnaZ: how do i disable it?
[20:11] <dou213> or reverse the command
[20:11] <dou213> to make it as it was before..
[20:11] <KiNnaZ> you already have by flushing the tables
[20:12] <KiNnaZ> only thing still changed from the howto you were using is net ipv4 forwarding
[20:12] <KiNnaZ> thou it cant be whats causing the problem you have at the moment
[20:12] <KiNnaZ> because it just basicaly makes box gateway
[20:13] <dou213> well let's disable that also, make it as it was before all that, maybe it will work practically, if theoretically it is nonsense
[20:13] <dou213> so... `sudo sysctl -w net/ipv4/ip_forward=0` ?
[20:13] <KiNnaZ> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[20:14] <KiNnaZ> echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[20:14] <KiNnaZ> result should be the same
[20:14] <KiNnaZ> as your line
[20:14] <KiNnaZ> thou that still isnt whats causing the problem with your ssh
[20:15] <dou213> KiNnaZ: permission denied, although i did sudo before it
[20:15] <KiNnaZ> make it your way then if my way wont work
[20:15] <KiNnaZ> i'm using debian maybe that could have some effect
[20:15] <KiNnaZ> thou anyways after the reboot it will be set to 0 again
[20:15] <KiNnaZ> so dont worry about it
[20:16] <dou213> KiNnaZ: permission denied...
[20:16] <KiNnaZ> anyways try to find fail2ban log file or smt
[20:16] <KiNnaZ> and see if has smt about banning your ip
[20:16] <dou213> w8, maybe i run some other commands today... looking on the tuts
[20:17] <Pangea> Hello Ubuntu users!
[20:17] <dou213> how can i check if a program is running?
[20:18] <Pangea> I have installed a Ubuntu Intrepid on a HP Proliant server with 32G of RAM and run:  sudo vmbuilder kvm ubuntu --suite hardy --flavour server --arch amd64 -o --libvirt qemu:///system --user usuario --name Usuario --pass password666 --mirror http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu --dest hardy01 --hostname guesthardy0
[20:18] <Pangea> but...  How to boot my new VM after vmbuild finishes ?
[20:18] <dou213> ahhh i know now the problem :)))
[20:19] <Pangea> I see a virtual disk at: hardy01/disk0.qcow2 but I don't know how to boot it!
[20:19] <Pangea> with KVM.. of course...
[20:19] <Pangea> My server is a x86_64
[20:19] <KiNnaZ> dou213 ps -ax |grep progname
[20:20] <KiNnaZ> dou213 ps -ax | grep progname
[20:20] <incidence> In Ubuntu 8.04.1, How do I add a new serial terminal for iLO2?
[20:20] <dou213> KiNnaZ: thx for ur help mate, it was the client with the problem... i use a windows client, and i've made some changes in the LAN-settings, thus it isn't in the same subnet anymore :) no wonder it didn't work :)
[20:20] <KiNnaZ> lol
[20:20] <KiNnaZ> okey :P
[20:20] <Pangea> When I use virsh to connect to KVM, the "list" command don't show any virtual machine there...
[20:20] <incidence> Do I have to create rc.serial to /etc/event.d/ or something=
[20:24] <dou213> KiNnaZ: but i can check it also within `top` or not? if it is listed there then it is up and running
[20:24] <KiNnaZ> dou213 yeah you can use top, top just doesnot show all proccesses
[20:24] <KiNnaZ> dou213 ps -ax gives you everything running
[20:24] <KiNnaZ> dou213 and its wise to grep to get just what you need
[20:24] <dou213> KiNnaZ: k thx ;)
[20:24] <KiNnaZ> np
[20:26] <cod3r3d> hey all...is it possible to have a matrix-like raid setup in linux.  I want to take 3 drives and create a 6 partitions total.  3 small ones for raid 1 mapped to the /boot partition and 3 large partitions for a raid 5 mapped to the / partition
[20:28] <Deeps> yep
[20:28] <cod3r3d> and part 2 of that question is would it hinder the raid 5 performance to do this? btw they would all be software raids
[20:28] <Deeps> mdadm will let you do that
[20:28] <cod3r3d> thanks Deeps
[20:29] <cod3r3d> will the raid 5 suffer performance from this or not because the /boot partition is mostly inactive after booting?
[20:30] <cod3r3d> if having 2 different types of raid on the same physical disks will kill the performance of my raid 5 then its worth it to but seperate /boot disks
[20:30] <cod3r3d> but = buy*
[20:31] <cod3r3d> basically Im trying to make a cheap reliable storage server...and i dont want a hardware raid
[20:33] <dou213> i bought today a second NIC, i put it on my server box. if i connect through it to the network, i also can't see the server... can somebody tell me how to troubleshoot this?
[20:34] <dou213> the card is supported
[20:34] <dou213> chipset 8139
[20:34] <dou213> when i `lspci | grep Ethernet` then it shows them both
[20:35] <TrioTorus> hm I got to the point where I have to choose where to copy lilo: /dev/md1 or another path. /dev/md1 is a physical volume of a volume group named myraid. On the vg myraid, I made a logical volume named boot, but trying to install lilo to /dev/myraid-root fails. What am I doing wrong?
[20:36] <TrioTorus> sorry: trying to install to /dev/myraid-boot fails
[20:48] <tonyyarusso> dou213: Could you define "see the server" and "connect through it" please?
[20:50] <dou213> tonyyarusso: see the server: i can't ping it from the client, and connect through it: it is that NIC which is connected to the switch
[20:51] <tonyyarusso> dou213: gotcha.  Could you pastebin 'ifconfig -a' then?
[20:51] <KiNnaZ> can you ping client from server ?
[20:52] <dou213> tonyyarusso: just did ifconfig -a, guess i just needed to set a static ip on the second NIC :)
[20:52] <Cosmos-moo> hi
[20:53] <tonyyarusso> dou213: nice :)
[20:53] <Cosmos-moo> question  about ho server speeds, on a ubuntu machine -- disregarding, the internet.
[20:53] <Cosmos-moo> how to i make the connections to my server (out of network ones) less laggy
[20:53] <Cosmos-moo> ;)
[20:53] <Cosmos-moo> ;)
[20:54] <Cosmos-moo> ok
[20:55] <Cosmos-moo> @uvirt
[20:55] <Cosmos-moo> !uv
[20:55] <Cosmos-moo> !w
[20:55] <Deeps> Cosmos-moo: get a less laggy connection
[20:55] <Cosmos-moo> !shutdown
[20:55] <Cosmos-moo> it isn't laggy. maybe i could upgrade or kill some processes?
[20:55] <Cosmos-moo> whatever
[20:55] <Deeps> ping the ip
[20:56] <KiNnaZ> dunno my shells are out of lag :P
[20:56] <Deeps> or just quit
[20:56] <KiNnaZ> yeah save some bw for that putty :P
[20:56] <KiNnaZ> obviously that was the weak spot
[20:57] <Deeps> lol, his connection's terrible
[20:58] <Deeps> 136ms to the last hop before him
[20:58] <Deeps> 3000ms to him
[20:58] <KiNnaZ> try me
[20:59] <KiNnaZ> out of curiousity
[20:59] <Deeps> 42ms from my server in london
[20:59] <KiNnaZ> :)
[21:00] <Deeps> and you are actually in .ee
[21:00] <Deeps> nice
[21:02] <cod3r3d> is there an irc channel i can go to for raid 5 on linux questions?
[21:16] <freaky_t> hi all i got a problem while upgrading to intrepid from hardy: http://main.freakyy.de/errors.txt
[21:16] <freaky_t> can you please help me?
[21:36] <tjaalton> does anyone know if likewise-open works on non-AD setups? (caching in particular..)
[21:48] <lukehasnoname> Server guide needs to be moved from doc.ubuntu.com, and updated for Intrepid, especially w.r.t. the virtualization guide. the updated tasksel method of virtual host setup, the new meta packages for virt-management, all need to be covered.
[21:49] <lukehasnoname> I will continue to bug you guys about it! I know a bug is filed about the draft guide needing moved, but not about the virtualization updates needed.
[23:07] <mario> Hi, where can i find documentation about ubuntu-vm-builder in 8.10?
[23:57] <zoredache> does anyone have suggestions on a good/easy RIP implementation?
[23:59] <mathiaz> zoredache: quagga


[07:10] <Saviq> yay it only took 24hrs to migrate unity8...
[07:13] <seb128> Saviq, just in time to line a new landing then! :-)
[07:14] <Saviq> seb128, yeah, we need some housekeeping first (we just resynced trunk with overlay)
[07:14] <Saviq> but will have another request soon
[07:27] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so overlay is officially not in use anymore?
[07:27] <tsdgeos> awnt me to retarget my MRs?
[07:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, doing that right now
[07:28] <tsdgeos> ok, it's always a bit ackward when my MRs are submitted by someoene else
[07:28] <tsdgeos> UI-wise in launchpad
[07:28] <Saviq> meh :)
[07:28] <Saviq> at least now you don't need to copy the commit message
[07:28] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[07:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: .po files are different, do we care?
[07:29] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that will get fixed with the next translations import
[07:29] <Saviq> tsdgeos, would've had to overwrite otherwise
[07:29] <tsdgeos> ok, so we do not care
[07:48] <Saviq> ok, unity-api and qtmir are trunk-only again, too
[07:48] <Saviq> @unity, pstolowski ↑
[07:49] <mzanetti_> nice
[07:50] <Saviq> all should have wily and vivid testing enabled
[07:56] <pstolowski> Saviq, ok, cool, i'm one step closer to have unity-scopes-shell ready for that too
[08:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you did not top-approve MRs that were top-approved on overlay
[08:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, missed that, didn't notice there were any
[08:03] <tsdgeos> is there a way we can tell anymore?
[08:03] <tsdgeos> i'd say https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/keepPreviewStackAround/+merge/270944 was
[08:03] <tsdgeos> but maybe not
[08:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mail history
[08:06] <Saviq> biab, dr's appt
[09:00] <tsdgeos> greyback: qtmir uses fontconfig?
[09:01] <greyback> tsdgeos: barely, I think the QPA plugin needs to link against it
[09:01] <tsdgeos> weird
[09:32] <Saviq> whoa, touch support in gtk in wily
[09:33] <tsdgeos> greyback: so it's not mir leaking the fd
[09:33] <tsdgeos> since http://paste.ubuntu.com/12447270/ also gives me the extra fd
[09:33] <tsdgeos> i'm thinking it may not even be a leak
[09:34] <tsdgeos> just the image cache
[09:34] <Saviq> woot, many jenkins results
[09:35] <greyback> tsdgeos: hmm, the image cache is a fixed size (in MB) right? So I guess after a while, those FDs would stop being created
[09:35] <greyback> or at least, old ones would be closed when new ones opened
[09:36] <tsdgeos> yeah
[09:36] <tsdgeos> so far i've only tried with the first one
[09:37] <tsdgeos> need to see if past some range more fds are created
[09:37] <tsdgeos> kevin said he saw like 70
[09:37] <tsdgeos> which seems a bit too many
[09:37] <greyback> the cache isn't watching each file in case it changes, surely?
[09:37] <greyback> dnotify/inotify style
[09:37] <tsdgeos> nah since it's not even a file
[09:38] <tsdgeos> it's memory stuff
[09:38] <greyback> ah
[10:31] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[10:31] <tsdgeos> this fakesensor tests are weird to be failing https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3454/#showFailuresLink
[10:32] <tsdgeos> and we have a qmluitests regression in master :S
[10:32] <tsdgeos> my fault :D
[10:33] <tsdgeos> we were so close to having a green qmluitests
[10:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we might do another small silo today still, so let's get a fix for that
[10:40] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fixTestDashFallback/+merge/271630
[10:40] <tsdgeos> that == qmluitests
[10:41] <tsdgeos> or the sensors?
[10:41] <Saviq> ack
[10:41] <tsdgeos> the sensors stuff needs more investigation on why regressed
[10:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, see phone ML, likely image broke
[10:41] <Saviq> qtubuntu-sensors fell off the image
[10:41] <tsdgeos> ah yes
[10:41] <tsdgeos> it's not required by anything anymore
[10:42] <tsdgeos> those runtime deps are always hard for .deb :D
[10:47] <kgunn> tsdgeos: i was thinking since you and i both verified that tedg's mp corrected at least one part of the fd leak prob, he/we should land that
[10:48]  * tsdgeos has a dejavu :D
[10:48] <tsdgeos> kgunn: yes we should
[10:48]  * kgunn has dejavu too actually
[10:48] <kgunn> but failed to find it in scrollback :)
[10:52] <tsdgeos> greyback_: how do i enable qtmir debugging?
[10:53] <greyback_> tsdgeos: QT_LOGGING_RULES="qtmir.*=true"
[10:54] <greyback_> it's noisy, so can adjust to filter more stuff
[10:54] <tsdgeos> gmmm
[10:54] <tsdgeos> we've lost vibration on the phone too?
[10:54] <tsdgeos> maybe the same sensors problem
[10:54] <greyback_> qtubuntu-sensors fell off the image
[10:55] <greyback_> there's a ML topic about it, fix in next image
[10:57] <Saviq> kgunn, you'll be happy to hear unity8, qtmir and unity-api are single-trunk again, with CI running both wily and vivid testing for them
[10:58] <Saviq> we've dropped the overlay branches/serie there
[11:06] <tsdgeos> Saviq: regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1497155 do we tell the news scope to not send us &8226; ?
[11:07] <tsdgeos> has anyone run unity8 with valgrind on the phone recently?
[11:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, good question, on one hand I'd say we don't know what's coming from the data source, so we'd rather have plain UTF-8 coming to us, on the other I think we'll need to enable some rich text facilities, which might mean we need to support entities in any case
[11:11] <tsdgeos> QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different thread.
[11:11] <tsdgeos> (Parent is DashCommunicator(0x134736e0), parent's thread is QThread(0x7364f80), current thread is DashCommunicator(0x134736e0)
[11:11] <tsdgeos> woot
[11:15] <ltinkl> Saviq, we might want to whitelist some of the most frequently used entities
[11:16] <kgunn> Saviq: does our unity8 ci has real phone hw backing any of the tests?
[11:16] <ltinkl> Saviq, the Text QML element support only a very few
[11:16] <Saviq> kgunn, yup, autopilot ones
[11:16] <kgunn> Saviq: so do we run AP on both wily and viivd ?
[11:17] <Saviq> kgunn, yes
[11:17] <kgunn> wow...awesome
[11:17] <Saviq> ltinkl, and what to do with the rest? I'd say we need to either support all entities, or none, and only allow a subset of tags, stripping out the rest
[11:18] <Saviq> kgunn, an example report back from jenkins https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/autopkgtests/+merge/271609/comments/684368
[11:19] <Saviq> although that one's a bit pessimistic
[11:19] <kgunn> :)
[11:19] <Saviq> some device issues
[11:19] <Saviq> this one's a lil' better https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/clazy_run/+merge/271612/comments/684356
[11:19] <Saviq> just unstable, not failed
[11:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos has a branch to fix qml tests, autopilot will be better once qtubuntu-sensors comes back on the image
[11:20] <Saviq> so we're getting where we want to be
[11:20] <kgunn> all good
[12:26] <Saviq> greyback_, yay, a successful qtmir CI run for both wily and vivid :)
[12:27] <greyback_> Saviq: great stuff
[12:41] <tsdgeos> kgunn: tedg: so how do we go about landing that branch?
[12:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's not a unity8 branch is it? I just added a silo with your fix
[12:51] <tsdgeos> Saviq: no it's ual
[12:51] <Guest76074> hi, i'm on wily/unity8 and the terminal app fails to install (download or install fail)
[12:52] <Guest76074> the good thing is that it's working again with nvidia
[12:52] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/lp1495871-unref-context/+merge/271322 or https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/lp1495871-unref-context-15.04/+merge/271373 or both
[12:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑
[12:57] <Guest76074> oh and i get pages of QGridLayoutEngine::addItem: Cell (0, 0) already taken in unity8-dash.log while searching in ubuntu store
[13:02] <Saviq> brb
[13:04] <tedg> tsdgeos: I think just throw it in the same silo with other fixes
[13:04] <tedg> tsdgeos: Already got a code review from charles_
[13:05] <tsdgeos> cool
[13:23] <kgunn> tedg: so i should abandon that one silo i had for fd leak fix ?
[13:24] <kgunn> sounds like you have another going with "other stuff" in it
[13:24] <tedg> I don't, but I assumed that tsdgeos did
[13:24] <tsdgeos> i did?
[13:24] <kgunn> :)
[13:24] <tsdgeos> i don't have any silo
[13:24] <kgunn> tedg: tsdgeos let's just land it in isolation then
[13:24] <tedg> WFM
[13:25] <tsdgeos> ok
[13:25] <tedg> tsdgeos: I thought you had one with other fixes.
[13:25] <kgunn> it's in silo 60
[13:25] <tedg> NP, glad kgunn asked :-)
[13:25] <tsdgeos> yeah misunderstanding from my side
[13:25] <tsdgeos> sorry
[13:25] <tsdgeos> tedg: i'm investigating another leak, i'm close to knowing where the error is
[13:25] <tsdgeos> but still meh
[13:25] <kgunn> tedg: tsdgeos i beat the shit out of it for app launch/close/phone calls etc....any other testing needed?
[13:30] <tedg> kgunn: I think that's probably more than the test plan.
[13:30] <tedg> kgunn: Did you make sure to do a legacy app and a click app?
[13:30] <tedg> kgunn: System settings is a good legacy app.
[13:35] <kgunn> tedg: yes, did all of them
[13:35] <kgunn> pretty much every app on the device
[13:35] <tedg> Cool
[13:35]  * tedg is now worried that kgunn has beat his Sudoku score
[13:37] <kgunn> :)
[13:42] <Guest30724> so... can you guys install apps from ubuntu store on wily/desktop?
[13:43] <kgunn> i know we're not outta the woods yet, but thanks alf tsdgeos & tedg for all the fd leak work
[13:44] <kgunn> Guest30724: what exactly do you mean? are you asking about ubuntu touch apps ?
[13:44] <Guest30724> kgunn: i want to install the terminal app (the click has the x86 version)
[13:45] <Guest30724> kgunn: ubuntu store apparently downloads the click but then fails to install
[13:45] <Guest30724> i can't find the click anywhere ;> i can complile the terminal app and make a .desktop file but that is silly
[13:47] <Guest30724> i'm on a desktop using wily daily build + unity8
[13:49] <Guest30724> kgunn: yes :D so yes, terminal-app (qml) not gnome terminal
[13:54] <dandrader> woohoo silo 27 landed
[13:54] <kgunn> Guest30724: how are you "using" unity8 on wily daily build? meaning that you are running the unity8-desktop-session-mir ?
[13:55] <Guest30724> kgunn: yep
[13:55] <kgunn> hmmm, so good question...
[13:55] <Guest30724> it worked before
[13:56] <kgunn> bregma: Saviq so if someones running unity8-desktop-session-mir how come apps can't be downloaded via store ?
[13:56] <kgunn> oh...maybe it's just busted
[13:57] <Guest30724> most probably :D maybe the next update will fix it
[14:00] <Saviq> kgunn, there's not a lot of apps in arch other than armhf
[14:01] <kgunn> Saviq: yeah, but guest wanted terminal app which has a x86 version
[14:02] <kgunn> and said it used to work...so my guess is it broke
[14:02] <Saviq> kgunn, would have to check, hey ChrisTownsend did you manage to try unity8 in lxc?
[14:03] <Guest30724> thanks all :>
[14:04] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: Well, I looked at it a bit, but it's gonna take some work to get it resurrected.  And I've been off working on the Libertine/Purtitine stuff.
[14:05] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, got it
[14:05] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: What I'd like to get working is to use the standard Wily LXC download template, install unity8-desktop-session-mir and modify the config to work as a LightDM login.
[14:06] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: However, it seems Trevinho has had success getting Unity 8 to run in a Wily LXC on a Mir-on-X session.
[14:07] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: So he may be a faster source of getting something up and running.
[14:08] <Trevinho> ChrisTownsend: yeah, I've not booted the full stuff, as I've just tested the basics, but it seems to do what it should :)
[14:08] <mzanetti> Guest30724, no, it never worked :)
[14:08] <mzanetti> Saviq, actually there's quite some multiarch apps now
[14:08] <Trevinho> however mir-on-x needs some work in the kb/mouse handling (i.e. it should grab, or you can mess with your host)
[14:08] <ChrisTownsend> Trevinho: Really cool:)
[14:08] <mzanetti> Saviq, popey publishes everything in multiarch now (aka all core apps)
[14:09] <popey> some things, not everything :)
[14:09] <ltinkl> and the multiarch click fails to install here on unity8/desktop as well :/
[14:10] <popey> yeah, i couldn't get that working either, i think there's apparmor bits missing maybe?
[14:10] <Guest30724> mzanetti: it worked before on a desktop next image
[14:10] <mzanetti> no
[14:10] <mzanetti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1396611
[14:10] <Guest30724> yes
[14:11] <Guest30724> i had 2 terminals installed once, 2 diff versions
[14:11] <mzanetti> well, you can install it manually, but not from the store
[14:11] <Guest30724> one from ubuntu store and one from ppa
[14:11] <Guest30724> i know i can compile it :P
[14:11] <Guest30724> but i used to install it from the store
[14:11] <mzanetti> also the click can be installed manually
[14:11] <mzanetti> having a hard time to believe that
[14:12] <mzanetti> the very first window I painted on unity8 windowed mode was the store and I tried to install something
[14:12] <mzanetti> it failed, I reported that bug
[14:12] <mzanetti> and that bug is still open
[14:12] <Guest30724> i've installed all the apps from ubuntu store
[14:18] <Guest30724> mzanetti: what is the diff between willy desktop next and willy + unity8-desktop-session-mir
[14:18] <Guest30724> wily
[14:18] <mzanetti> hmm... don't know tbh
[14:19] <Guest30724> maybe there is something diff but i 101% remember beeing able to install apps from ubuntu store
[14:19] <Guest30724> maybe 102%
[14:19] <Guest30724> mines terminal-app zbird etc
[14:21] <Guest30724> on ubuntu next image
[14:26] <Saviq> pstolowski, you can ask fginther for dual-release testing in ci
[14:27] <Saviq> pstolowski, we already have it enabled for unity8, unity-api and qtmir
[14:27] <Saviq> and it's working well
[14:30] <Guest30724> mzanetti: kgunn found the clicks in ~/.local/share/ubuntu-download-manager/Downloads
[14:31] <Guest30724> and some erros in syslog
[14:31] <Guest30724> interesting
[14:31] <Guest30724> thanks for help
[14:44] <pstolowski> Saviq, ack
[14:52] <dandrader> josharenson, when I run unity8 on my desktop, via that lightdm unity8-mir session, unity8 seems to run in full-greeter mode. so I get the unity7 lightdm greeter followed by the built-in greeter inside unity8. what's the fix for having unit8 run in the correct mode in this situation?
[14:53] <josharenson> dandrader: there is a bug filed for that and it will be resolved when the latest (and huge) slim greeter branch is merged
[14:53] <josharenson> dandrader: essentially, greeter mode isn't implemented yet (outside of the branch I just mentioned) and once it is, you can just install the unity8-greeter package and it should "just work"
[14:53] <dandrader> josharenson, this one https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity8/slim_greeter_real_lightdm/+merge/271614 ?
[14:54] <josharenson> dandrader: yeah, and there is a "stable" version of that in ppa:josharenson/unity8-greeter
[14:54] <dandrader> josharenson, but will unit8 work with the unity 7 greeter?
[14:54] <dandrader> josharenson, or there's no point in supporting such a combination?
[14:55] <josharenson> dandrader: humm, it should work fine, but since the shell is starting in full-greeter mode (by default) you will still see both the unity7 and unity8 greeters
[14:56] <josharenson> dandrader: if you modify the right config files so that unity8 starts in "shell" mode, you should only see the unity7 greeter, but I haven't tested that
[14:56] <josharenson> dandrader: but it technically should work
[14:59] <dandrader> josharenson, so you have replaced the stock greeter with the unity8 one in your laptop?
[14:59] <josharenson> dandrader: yes
[14:59] <dandrader> josharenson, but then how do you select the session you want to log in. eg: unity 7, unity 8, gnome
[15:01] <josharenson> dandrader: I haven't tried that yet. I think it should work, and its currently a bug that it doesnt
[15:09] <dandrader> josharenson, but does the QML Greeter has UI code to allow selecting those different session types?
[15:11] <josharenson> dandrader: humm good question, i thought I remembered seeing it on an ubuntu daily build a while back... but it could have just been the unity7 greeter, and I don't think I've seen it in the code... I assume, if its not there, that its something I'd have to get from design?
[15:12] <dandrader> josharenson, yeah, I think so
[15:12] <Saviq> josharenson, sounds like it indeed, I don't think it was ever thought about in that regard
[15:13] <josharenson> dandrader: I'll try to look into that today so that we can give design as much time as possible
[15:13] <dandrader> cool
[15:18] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ping
[15:18] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: hi
[15:19] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hey, re your fix for preview leak - can you land unity8 part of the fix first, independent of shell plugin
[15:19] <pstolowski> ?
[15:19] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: yes
[15:20] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, cool, then please go ahead
[15:20] <tsdgeos> i mean "yes it can be landed"
[15:20] <tsdgeos> not as "yes i will land it" :D
[15:20] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, but i cannot land shell plugin fix before unity8 part of it lands?
[15:20] <tsdgeos> correct
[15:20] <pstolowski> oki
[15:21] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can we land the leak-fix-prerequisite in that mini silo you're doing?
[15:21] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, i see some unity8 silos, can you use one of them to land it?
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, I was almost asking that, but somehow didn't
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's not unity8 is it?
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it's not the fd leak, but a leak we're fixing in previews for the dash
[15:22] <tsdgeos> previewstacks and models where never deleted :D
[15:22] <tsdgeos> now we need to keep a pointer to them
[15:22] <Saviq> oups
[15:22] <tsdgeos> since otherwise they'll be deleted too soon
[15:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, which branch/
[15:22] <Saviq> ?
[15:23] <pstolowski> it's qt's fault ;)
[15:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/keepPreviewStackAround
[15:23] <Saviq> ack
[15:24] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, i'll land plugin part of the fix next week, after i land silo 24 (a new feature)
[15:57] <dandrader> Saviq, so lp:unity-api/trunk-15.04 is not being used anymore
[15:57] <dandrader> ?
[15:58] <Saviq> dandrader, no, we've single trunks for unity8, qtmir and unity-api, dual landed into wily and vivid/overlay
[16:07] <dandrader> Saviq, but we no longer target MPs at lp:unity-api/trunk-15.0 or lp:unity8/overlay
[16:07] <dandrader> ?
[16:07] <Saviq> dandrader, single trunks == lp:unity8, lp:unity-api
[16:07] <Saviq> dandrader, just forget about the overlay branches
[16:07] <Saviq> they're evil
[16:08] <dandrader> ah, ok. I misread your "no"
[16:08] <Saviq> the dual negation...
[16:10]  * greyback_ out
[16:46] <kgunn> Saviq: i've never landed with bileto, once approved by QA..."publish" then "merge & clean" ?
[16:47] <kgunn> camako: ^ ?
[16:48] <camako> kgunn, me neither.. not sure
[16:48] <camako> AlbertA ^
[16:53] <AlbertA> kgunn: looks like it...
[16:53] <kgunn> AlbertA: camako i just asked in ci-eng actually landers take it from there
[16:54] <kgunn> they do publish (we don't have perms) and merge/clean is automagic
[16:55] <Saviq> kgunn, yup
[16:55] <camako> good to kno
[16:55] <Saviq> you can m&c in case things fail, or to abandon a silo
[17:22] <josharenson> kgunn: is the compositor whats holding us back from "frosted glass"? Or is it more of a design issue?
[17:31] <mhall119> mzanetti: still going to post to the unity blog today?
[18:00] <kgunn> josharenson: we don't have any hard designs atm i think...and no one has done the work on the compositor to boot, so a little of both
[18:00] <josharenson> kgunn: ack
[18:27] <mzanetti> mhall119, don't think so. but better ask josharenson, he's writing it
[18:28] <mzanetti> now that jenkins runs for vivid and wily, if something's wrong the jenkins comments look really depressing http://paste.ubuntu.com/12452366/
[18:28] <josharenson> mhall119: I'm working on final revisions and I'd like to post a video with it as well (there is a bit of a long story as to why the video isn't done, mostly related to my totally bricked nexus 10)
[18:29] <josharenson> mhall119: so if it can wait until EOD monday, that would be best, but I could probably post it today w/o the video if necessary
[18:45] <kgunn> josharenson: no rush, i prefer video
[18:53] <mhall119> josharenson: not problem, post it when it's ready
[18:53] <josharenson> mhall119: cool, will do
[19:54] <josharenson> mterry: so the greeter is failing the qmltests because it seems to be loading parts of the lightdm (the integrated lightdm) and parts of the mock lightdm... It can successfully set the mock mode to "full", but then shows my real username instead of the mock usernames... I know that is super confusing, so hopefully this output helps clear up what I just said http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12454487/
[19:55] <josharenson> mterry: I've triple checked all the cmake stuff and it looks ok to me...
[19:56] <mterry> josharenson, hrm
[19:56] <mterry> josharenson, I can give it a look
[19:57] <josharenson> mterry:  pushing most current changes to lp:~josharenson/unity8/slim_greeter_real_lightdm/ and I can send you built debs if you want as well
[19:57] <josharenson> pushed*
[19:58] <josharenson> mterry: its very odd, and im sure its something simple... when I run the tests on trunk/overlay, they pass just fine so its not an env issue
[20:21] <mterry> josharenson, gosh, my internet
[20:21] <mterry> josharenson, you still there?
[20:21] <josharenson> mterry: yup
[20:21] <mterry> josharenson, I'm seeing an error "ASSERT: "uri == QLatin1String("PLUGIN_CLASSNAME")" in file /home/mike/Work/code/unity8/slim_greeter_real_lightdm/plugins/LightDM/plugin.cpp, line 62"
[20:21] <mterry> josharenson, PLUGIN_CLASSNAME shouldn't be in quotes if it's a symbol
[20:22] <mterry> josharenson, I also saw a warning "file:///home/mike/Work/code/unity8/slim_greeter_real_lightdm/tests/qmltests/Greeter/tst_Greeter.qml:403:9: QML Connections: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onLauncherOffsetChanged""
[20:22] <josharenson> mterry: yeah I see that same warning in trunk
[20:22]  * josharenson recompiles w/ symbol changed
[20:24] <josharenson> no dice
[20:27] <mterry> josharenson, did you see the assert before?
[20:27] <josharenson> mterry: I didn't but that doesn't mean it wasn't there
[20:27] <mterry> josharenson, with the change, you get a compile error because PLUGIN_CLASSNAME isn't be defined
[20:27] <josharenson> ..... wondering why it built
[20:27] <josharenson> trying a clean build
[20:30] <josharenson> mterry: for the record, i know the rest of the tests are broken, im just trying to get make testGreeter working first
[20:32] <mterry> josharenson, sure.  I haven't tried others yet  :)
[20:34] <mterry> josharenson, If you don't see the same assert after a clean build...  one of our environments is affecting the test
[20:35] <josharenson> mterry: yeah I removed the quotes, did a clean build, and I see no errors
[20:36] <mterry> Humph...  I'll try a clean build without the quotes...
[20:36] <mterry> josharenson, you also didn't see the assert without the change?
[20:36] <josharenson> mterry: I don't think so...
[20:36] <mterry> josharenson, your top commit is 1915?
[20:37] <josharenson> mterry: yes
[20:38] <josharenson> mterry: just for sanity http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12455825/
[20:38] <mterry> josharenson, yup
[20:39] <mterry> josharenson, and I see:
[20:39] <mterry> /home/mike/Work/code/unity8/slim_greeter_real_lightdm/plugins/LightDM/plugin.cpp: In member function ‘virtual void IntegratedLightDMPlugin::registerTypes(const char*)’:
[20:39] <mterry> /home/mike/Work/code/unity8/slim_greeter_real_lightdm/plugins/LightDM/plugin.cpp:62:24: error: expected primary-expression before ‘(’ token
[20:39] <mterry>      Q_ASSERT(uri == QLatin1String(PLUGIN_CLASSNAME));
[20:39] <mterry>                         ^
[20:39] <mterry> /home/mike/Work/code/unity8/slim_greeter_real_lightdm/plugins/LightDM/plugin.cpp:62:48: error: expected primary-expression before ‘)’ token
[20:39] <mterry>      Q_ASSERT(uri == QLatin1String(PLUGIN_CLASSNAME));
[20:39] <mterry>                                                 ^
[20:39] <mterry> plugins/LightDM/FullLightDM/CMakeFiles/FullLightDM-qml.dir/build.make:146: recipe for target 'plugins/LightDM/FullLightDM/CMakeFiles/FullLightDM-qml.dir/__/plugin.cpp.o' failed
[20:40] <mterry> josharenson, I'm compiling on wily...  but I doubt that would affect the compilation
[20:40] <josharenson> mterry: ill go make some horrible syntax error and see if it fails
[20:40] <josharenson> im on overlay
[20:41] <josharenson> mterry: yeah I broke it
[20:41] <josharenson> weird
[20:42] <mterry> guh
[20:42] <mterry> let me try on my overlay machine
[20:43] <josharenson> mterry: I'm sure this doesn't matter, but I'm using gcc
[20:43] <josharenson> (I use clang sometimes)
[20:46] <mterry> me too
[20:47] <josharenson> mterry: really weird... if I, for example, remove the ";" at the end of the line, compilation fails... if I change PLUGIN_CLASSNAME to some nonsense, it builds just fine
[20:48] <mterry> ...  that's not right
[20:52] <josharenson> mterry: for the sake of completeness, it builds just fine w/ clang too
[20:52] <josharenson> i love when I can't get things to break when the are supposed to
[20:59] <josharenson> mterry: I wonder if I, somehow, don't have QT_NO_DEBUG set
[20:59] <josharenson> rather, unset
[21:00] <mterry> josharenson, I keep losing irc
[21:00] <mterry> last thing I said:
 josharenson, same problem on overlay
[21:00] <mterry>  assert, then fix, then compile error
[21:00] <josharenson> 01:59:38 PM) josharenson: mterry: I wonder if I, somehow, don't have QT_NO_DEBUG set
[21:00] <josharenson> (01:59:44 PM) josharenson: rather, unset
[21:00] <mterry> josharenson, it's crazy to me that you can change PLUGIN_CLASSNAME to gibberish and it compiles?
[21:01] <josharenson> mterry: yes, which is why I think that line might not be getting compiled
[21:01] <mterry> ah right...
[21:01] <josharenson> looking into QT_NO_DEBUG, but I might have to leave for a bit
[21:01] <josharenson> apparently I've been at panera for too long
[21:01] <mterry> :)
[21:02] <mterry> Nothing beats Starbucks for remote work.  Haven't found anyone as accomidating
[21:02] <josharenson> mterry: duly noted... I know a million good coffee shops in seattle, but I'm in San Diego right now, so kind of foreign territory
[21:03] <josharenson> anyway, back in a bit
[21:03] <josharenson> thanks for the help


[09:16] <deodar> hi, any survivors here?
[09:17] <deodar> I want my app reviewed by someone. if there is a chance to get published into the repo
[09:20] <deodar> I must go to airport now, but if anyone can check my app in meantime or share some guide or thought I will appreciate
[09:20] <deodar> https://github.com/exebook/deodar


[08:53] <cheche> how to I reset the state of all windows on an user desktop?
[08:53] <cheche> I have onle window, that I am unable to resize
[09:11] <TheSchaf> select the window and press alt+space? does that work?
[09:14] <cheche> TheSchaf: it does, I can minimize,maximized and other options
[09:14] <cheche> but it looks like it is resize to the mimimun and I am not able to open the window.
[09:17] <cheche> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6lfxz0la7dnydeb/screenshot.png?dl=0
[15:46] <greg4860> hi
[15:47] <greg4860> lubuntu 15.04 is a LTS version ?
[15:47] <Unit193> No, 15.04 is not an LTS for any flavor.
[15:48] <greg4860> ok thanks
[16:17] <jirido> Hi. It is the askwise me again
[16:19] <jirido> I installed lubuntu and choose to encrypt my partition. afterwards i was offered the key to my disk if i ever needed to access it from outside. i thought i take that a little later.. That is now . So how do i get the  key from whithin my lubuntu?
[16:20] <jirido> holstein, Hi. hope you are well and enyoing the summer :) Could u help me?
[16:23] <jirido> Also as i ticked of using syncro for the whatch now it sets it randomly to dates within 2016 2028 and 2037 And also refuses to be set trough the clock applet!!
[19:22] <Remoboth_> Anyone here use Linux Lite?
[19:27] <holstein> Remoboth_: maybe a general linux channel would have someone who uses it..
[19:28] <Remoboth_> Aye.