[00:00] <clarkk> ravage, thanks for your reply. I just ran "bluetoothctl info" (no mac address), and it showed the device as trusted (maybe because it was connected at the time?). I switched the device off and on, and the problem stopped, after all evening of it not working. I'm sure it will stop working at some point, but has "bluetoothctl info" solved this for now?
[00:01] <ravage> i dont think that command solves anything. but if it works thats great :)
[00:39] <tannera> Am I meant to have linux-generic-hwe-20.04 and 22.04? https://i.imgur.com/i6N8MXs_d.webp
[00:43] <konrados> Hey, I have a stupid question (as always:)). btw, hmmm tannera - it's hardly readable (the screenshot)
[00:44] <konrados> Anyway, I've just installed ufw on my server. In theory, if it is *not* configured to allow port 22, and I will logout, then I will never ever be able to ssh again?
[00:45] <ravage> yes you can lock yourself out with a firewall
[00:45] <ravage> i wouldnt say "never ever" but it can be painful
[00:47] <konrados> ravage, wow, that was just my thought a second before hitting 'enter' :) Now I first allowed and then 'ufw enable'. Do you remember if port 22 is enabled by default, just upon installation?
[00:47] <oerheks> sudo ufw allow ssh 22
[00:48] <konrados> oerheks, yeah, did just that, so if I first enabled the firewall, that would be "painful" :)
[00:48] <konrados> good to know :)
[00:48] <oerheks> sudo ufw app list
[00:49] <oerheks> ehm, existing connections are dropped then?
[00:50] <konrados> oerheks, well, after installing I wanted to  `sudo ufw enable`, but I got 'Command may disrupt existing ssh connections. Proceed with operation (y|n)?' and then I thought - hey, what if this blocks 22? :)
[00:52] <deego> i've never seen ufw disrupt an /existing/ connection. icbw
[00:53] <oerheks> me neither, but that warning is new to me too
[00:53] <konrados> And this one indeed did not. Was just scaring me :)
[00:54] <deego> yeah :)
[02:39] <jhutchins> It's not too hard to set up a job that will run at reboot and if not manually stopped, will revert the latest changes to a firewall.
[02:40] <jhutchins> Make your change, engage the job, reboot.    If it's not, the job reverts the changes and you can log in again.
[03:56] <proxy> why is everything open but no switch boards found
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> proxy: is your question related to ubuntu?
[04:12] <opuntia> i'm running off a usb and I want to reset the time zone. How do I do that. It thinkis it is 4:11 July 12
[04:14] <opuntia> Hey there is a search in settings. How cool. Got it done.
[04:20] <proxy> yes, i have accessed a door way that i dont think many others would have the necessary background to formulate the possibilities of what im speaking on, of,  right now, the entire planet is saturated in these switches and only a few hats know where to acknowledge, now ubuntu is seed to sender for clarification of one port that needs to be basic native like a mirror and key blogger, then kali will take it up to the ether to switch
[04:20] <proxy> the possibilities from AI to QAI, these is the synthetics we are all witnessing with the cloning and doubling going on, so i just give them and anyone watching a show to watch sorry to blast the ears however clever they( the simulation/system) gets it lacks in on personality is why unique individual key nodes breaks the codeX all and every time
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> proxy: thats not related to ubuntu, please choose another channel for this discussion
[04:22] <descent> you lost me at ubuntu is a seed
[07:40] <vikram> hi
[07:41] <vikram> is this a help channel?
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> !support | vikram yes
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> TheAppleFox: stop fooling around with nick changes please
[07:44] <TheAppleFox> lotuspsychje: sorry, I forgot I should have parted before messing with NickServ
[08:33] <clarkk> I'm still having big problems with my ubuntu 20.04 system and a bluetooth headset (or just the bluetooth subsystem generally). Currently if I run systemctl status bluetooth.service, it shows numerous errors "bluetoothd[nnnnnn]: Can't accept connection: Too many open files". If I run cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max, it returns<PHONE_NUMBER>854775807
[08:33] <clarkk> Does anyone have any suggestions at all? How do I see what files are open, and close them?
[08:40] <Fravialis> Hi all. Did anybody notice ssh connections being dropped and subsequently a host becoming unavailable/unresponsive after a dist-upgrade involving, among others, systemd?
[08:41] <Fravialis> I was in the middle of a d-u over ssh and suddenly I was kicked off, and couldn't ssh in again. I had to forcibly reboot the VM. Running Jammy.
[08:41] <Fravialis> It happened right after systemd was configuring.
[10:20] <Guest56> hi
[10:20] <Guest56> I hv added DRI_PRIME=1 to /etc/environment file.  Is it enough to use discrete graphics card on laptop or do I need to set setprovideroffloadsink also?
[10:21] <Guest56> My laptop have intel and amd graphics card
[10:32] <arkanoid> I was running qgis launched from gnome terminal emuator inside a tmux session. Suddenly, qgis closed, gnome-terminal-emulator closed and also tmux session is gone. I had another gnome-terminal-emulator window running and that survived. Who's responsible for the event? qgis? tmux? gnome-terminal-emulator?
[10:35] <clarkk> Is there a way to know when a certain package was last updated, and from what to what version?
[12:13] <clarkk> To troubleshoot an issue I've got with bluetooth, to see if it occurred in a previous kernel version, I installed <IP_ADDRESS>.  When I booted into it, the system ran very slow. I don't think the network was working. I could see windows painting.  Does anyone know why?
[12:13] <clarkk> According to the apt log, I was using this kernel in June, so why doesn't it work properly now?
[12:19] <gverrilla> Hello guys! Is there a quicker way to swap between output or input audio on ubuntu, instead of clicking sound > settings > scrolling down > changing from dropdown menu???
[12:26] <leftyfb> gverrilla: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/751/audio-output-switcher/
[12:50] <gverrilla> leftyfb: thanks mate will take a look at it!
[13:10] <Fxmuhrwawz> hi
[13:12] <Jojo> an henlo
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:38] <clarkk> I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 with Gnome 3.36.8. To troubleshoot an issue I've got with bluetooth that has started in the last few weeks out of nowhere, to see if it occurred in a previous kernel version, I installed <IP_ADDRESS>.  When I booted into it, the system ran very slow. I don't think the network was working. I could see windows painting. According to the apt log, I was using this kernel in June, so why doesn't it work
[14:38] <clarkk> properly now?
[14:51] <ioria> clarkk, how did you install <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[14:51] <clarkk> ioria, using aptitude
[14:51] <clarkk> sorry, not aptitude - synnaptic
[14:52] <ioria> clarkk, are  modules and modules-extra  installed ?
[14:52] <ioria> for 48, i mean
[14:52] <clarkk> ioria, no, only linux-image-5.13.0-48-generic and linux-modules-5.13.0-48-generic
[14:53] <ioria> clarkk, install extra
[14:53] <clarkk> ok, thanks
[14:54] <clarkk> ioria, if an update caused my problem with connecting a bluetooth headset, that has worked fine for about 2 years, what packages do you think could have caused it?  the kernel, the nvidia drivers, bluez, or is there something else?
[14:54] <clarkk> Like, what should I be trying to resolve my issue?
[14:55] <clarkk> spent 2 days on this, and have not moved forward :/
[14:56] <ioria> clarkk, i'd start with a livecd
[14:56] <clarkk> ioria, ok, but could you just suggest the packages that would be involved?
[14:57] <mguy> in 20.04 why does wget complain about self-signed certs but curl does not? accessing a company intranet site with a wildcard cert
[14:57] <ioria> clarkk, i don't want to mislead you... no idea, really
[14:57] <clarkk> ioria, could you explain the approach with the livecd?
[15:02] <ioria> clarkk, have you checked the logs about bluetooth ?
[15:03] <clarkk> ioria, there are no files with the name '*blue*' in /var/log. Do you mean syslog?
[15:04] <ioria> clarkk, better journalctl
[15:05] <clarkk> ioria, I notice "Starting SDP server". What's that?
[15:06] <ioria> clarkk, i suggest to check journalctl -r -u bluetooth
[15:14] <moha> Hey there
[15:16] <Jojo> hey here
[15:17] <clarkk> ioria, I've noticed that the nvidia drivers are out of date. If I install them for the latest kernel, will I have to install them again after I boot to the older kernel?
[15:18] <moha> I have installed microstack within a VM (nested feature enabled) with the IP of <IP_ADDRESS> and I can access the openstack console on this IP from outside of the VM; When I create a machine in openstack, it generate an IP in the range of 10.20.x.x for this machine. How can I access to this machine (ex: <IP_ADDRESS>) from outside of the VM (=<IP_ADDRESS>)? I was thinking of having a router within the VM alongside the microstack,
[15:18] <moha> right?
[15:19] <ravage> moha, would you tell us where in that process Ubuntu is involved?
[15:20] <moha> I looking for solution to route traffic in Ubuntu
[15:21] <BluesKaj> what kind of traffic?
[15:21] <ravage> that would be iptables or nftables in general
[15:21] <ravage> if you mean more than a simmple "route" of course
[15:21] <moha> I want to see the <IP_ADDRESS> outside of <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:22] <ravage> clarkk, that depends on how you install that older kernel. if you use the debian package it should build the nvidia driver automatically
[15:23] <clarkk> ravage, I used synaptic
[15:23] <ravage> clarkk, find /lib/modules/*/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko
[15:24] <ravage> will show you all modules available
[15:24] <clarkk> ravage, ok, thanks.   Anyone know if this is a bug of some sort?
[15:54] <ravage> never heard of that
[15:55] <afterThought> Yeah, it's so strange, the only way around it is to create yet another user....with a completely different name.
[15:56] <ravage> but you can login with that user?
[15:56] <ravage> the first one created i mean
[15:56] <leftyfb> afterThought: mayber you have some sort of OEM iso?
[15:59] <ravage> if you can login and its just the setup screen that annoys you: "sudo apt-get remove gnome-initial-setup"
[15:59] <ravage> but it really sounds like some custom ISO
[16:05] <Guest2242> sdfsdfsfsdfsdf
[16:10] <sKep> hi
[16:11] <sKep> how to find public ip from terminal?
[16:11] <leftyfb> curl checkip.amazonaws.com
[16:12] <leftyfb> there's about a dozen other endpoints you can hit as well
[16:13] <ravage> that specific one only supports legacy IP. but there are others as leftyfb said :)
[16:14] <sKep> how?
[16:14] <sKep> any ubuntu weblink?
[16:14] <leftyfb> sKep: how what?
[16:15] <ravage> sKep, sure. here is your weblink: https://p.haxxors.com/4u086zml.txt
[16:15] <sKep> i am using lynx ;)
[16:19] <sKep> sorry I am not trolling
[16:19] <sKep> after changing private dns
[16:19] <sKep> in android
[16:20] <sKep> only proot is working
[16:20] <leftyfb> sKep: what does this have to do with ubuntu?
[16:20] <sKep> i think i have to ask this question in #termux
[16:20] <sKep> leftyfb: thanks for your support
[16:49] <mybalzitch> anyone know how I broke my spotify snap? claims I was in offline mode, now "content unavailable" I uninstalled it then installed it, refresh says no updates
[16:49] <mybalzitch> <IP_ADDRESS>6.gc5f8b819
[16:50] <mybalzitch> spotify support is of no help
[16:56] <jhutchins> mybalzitch: I'm guessing it's not an Ubuntu snap.
[16:58] <mguy> What certificate stores does wget use compared to curl? Getting self-signed cert errors on wget but not with curl
[16:58] <ravage> there are no ubuntu snaps really. and from the snap store the publisher of the snap is Spotify. so the only way to get support for their snap is from them
[17:00] <ravage> mguy, curl -v will show the CA bundle used. curl -v https://google.com
[17:02] <ravage> and from strace wget looks in /usr/lib/ssl/certs. you can set that path in yout wgetrc file
[17:11] <mguy> Curl shows *   CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
[17:11] <mguy>   CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
[17:11] <mguy> and /usr/lib/ssl/certs is a symlink to /etc/ssl/certs
[17:12] <mguy> I've added our intranet wildcard and curl works but wget does not
[17:12] <mguy> same CA works on the other linux machines we have (not ubuntu 20)
[17:17] <jhutchins> mguy: Is the certificate self issued/
[17:17] <jhutchins> ?
[17:39] <afterThought> ravage, leftyfb, nope, just the standard ISO from the ubuntu site.
[17:41] <jhutchins> If Ubuntu is distributing the snaps, they have some responsibility to make sure they actually work.
[17:41] <jhutchins> ... unless they slap disclaimers all over the repo sites and the packages.
[17:42] <jhutchins> "This snap has not been tested by Ubuntu.  Click here to acknowledge."
[17:42] <jhutchins> The whole point of snaps though is that the distro staff doesn't have to expend effort testing them.
[17:44] <leftyfb> there are several advantages to snaps, distro's not testing them isn't at the top of the list
[17:45] <leftyfb> one of the biggest advantages is for developers/vendors to create and support a single package format that is supported cross-platform (distro's)
[17:46] <leftyfb> mybalzitch: sudo snap remove --purge spotify # then reinstall it
[17:56] <afterThought> removing gnome-initial-setup worked for anyone that needs help with this.
[18:01] <Guest12> Is it possible on Ubuntu to switch from Google emojis to Samsung emojis?
[18:26] <mguy> jhutchins: yes it is self issued. But that's the point of installing this into the local store
[18:26] <mguy> If I do openssl -CAfile mycert.pem it works just fine
[18:27] <mguy> But doing the copy to /usr/share/ca-certificates and running update-ca-certificates doesn't help openssl/wget, only the other apps on the system like curl or lynx
[19:25] <Mister_X> hello guys, I'm using 22.04 server, and I notice that when doing an upgrade, when it sees services affected by libraries updated, it asks if I want to restart them
[19:25] <Mister_X> (and which ones)
[19:25] <Mister_X> I'm using unattended-upgrades, and I was wondering if there is an option to do that automatically
[19:26] <Guest87> Hey, i tried to install ubuntu for dual boot, booted into live mode and my mouse & ethernet are not working there
[19:26] <Mister_X> I've searched and I couldn't find any documentation about it, as it seems to be a new feature in 22.04 (I don't remember seeing it in 20.04, and I haven't used non-LTS for servers)
[19:26] <leftyfb> Mister_X: it has nothing to do with 22.04
[19:26] <leftyfb> Mister_X: -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold"
[19:27] <leftyfb> oh wait, to restart services, hold on
[19:27] <Mister_X> I don't want to hold, I want it to automatically restart
[19:27] <Mister_X> basically, saying yes to restarting
[19:27] <Mister_X> Guest87: you might be missing firmwares, check journalctl
[19:27] <leftyfb> Mister_X: try NEEDRESTART_SUSPEND=1
[19:29] <Guest87> Mister_X I'm not really familiar with ubuntu at all and just wanted to give it a try as dual boot OS, i don't really know what i'm supposed to do, my previous attempt with xubuntu worked fine
[19:29] <Mister_X> it isn't the option I need. It seems to be NEEDRESTART_MODE "a"
[19:29] <Guest87> Both my mouse & ethernet worked there
[19:29] <leftyfb> Mister_X: did you try it?
[19:30] <Mister_X> Guest87: open a terminal and run journalctl
[19:30] <Mister_X> not yet, I just read about it
[19:30] <leftyfb> Mister_X: also DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
[19:30] <Mister_X> Guest87: use page down/up to scroll, and see if missing firmware
[19:31] <leftyfb> Mister_X: also https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/146340
[19:32] <Mister_X> leftyfb: in which config file do I put this?
[19:32] <leftyfb> you don't, you run debconf-set-selections before you install packages
[19:33] <Mister_X> I have unattended-upgrade
[19:33] <Mister_X> and I want unattended-upgrades to automatically say yes
[19:33] <Mister_X> without me being present or logged it
[19:33] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure unattended-upgrades won't prompt for anything
[19:42] <Mister_X> is there any documentation that explains it?
[19:46] <leftyfb> Mister_X: that explains what?
[19:47] <Mister_X> that unattended upgrade automatically does restart these services
[19:49] <ioria> Mister_X, is needrestart installed ?
[19:49] <genii> Mister_X: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades is pretty comprehensive
[19:49] <Mister_X> iora, I see a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d that seem to say so
[19:50] <ioria> Mister_X, dpkg -l | grep  needrestart
[19:50] <tomreyn> i think it's important to clarify which prompt you're seeing, because there are different ones. there is the debconf generated prompt which asks about services to be restarted, where you can choose which ones to restart. there is, if installed, output (i don't think a prompt there) generated by package needrestart, which will list runnng processes depending on libraries which were updated.
[19:51] <Mister_X> I manually checked for updates and installed them, which prompted me to restart services
[19:52] <Mister_X> however, I do have unattended-upgrades running, so I shouldn't have found upgrades
[19:52] <tomreyn> your description seems to suggest you're seeing the debconf first prompt + menu. and want to ensure this will be overridden in unattended upgrades
[19:52] <Mister_X> which makes me think unattended-upgrade may not restart services or skip some of them
[19:53] <leftyfb> Mister_X: you do know that unattended-upgrades doesn't upgrade all packages or even install all updates right?
[19:53] <Mister_X> could you elaborate?
[19:53] <leftyfb> Mister_X: unattended-upgrades only updates packages when the updates have security implications
[19:54] <Mister_X> that depends on the configuration, right?
[19:54] <leftyfb> not all packages will be updates and not all updates will be installed
[19:54] <tomreyn> it depends on the configuration, yes
[19:55] <tomreyn> leftyfb is referring to the default configuration
[19:55] <Mister_X> what I'm wondering, now that leftyfb mentioned "needrestart", where I can put environment variables for unattended-upgrade when it does upgrade
[19:55] <ioria> Mister_X, after you install that pkg, try this : https://termbin.com/ihcf , it should work
[19:56] <leftyfb> Mister_X: did you configure unattended-upgrade to upgrade all packages? If so, why?
[19:57] <Mister_X> it has worked well for me in the past
[19:58] <Mister_X> and it's a server I don't want to login to every day to apply updates
[19:58] <leftyfb> even more reason why you shouldn't just install all updates unattended
[19:59] <Mister_X> I respectfully disagree
[20:00] <tomreyn> you should probably combine this with automatic reboots, then i can see how it makes sense in some scenarios.
[20:00] <Mister_X> I do
[20:01] <Mister_X> but on other systems, because this had FDE, it wouldn't fully reboot unless I type the passphrase
[20:01] <tomreyn> alright, just wanted to make sure you're aware of this option. :)
[20:01] <Mister_X> I also have livepatch in case you're wondering
[20:02] <Mister_X> ioria: I'm not sure to understand the purpose of the last line
[20:03] <Mister_X> I actually do dist-upgrade, not an upgrade
[20:03] <Mister_X> (I'm referring to the dpkg options)
[20:04] <ioria> https://askubuntu.com/questions/104899/make-apt-get-or-aptitude-run-with-y-but-not-prompt-for-replacement-of-configu
[20:04] <ioria> ^ Mister_X
[20:04] <Mister_X> config file replacement is not important in this case
[20:04] <Mister_X> and I run unattended-upgrades
[20:04] <ioria> are you sure ?
[20:04] <ioria> it will stop
[20:05] <Mister_X> I haven't had config file updates in the manual updates I've done
[20:06] <Mister_X> so, my question is, where do I add an environment variable for 'needrestart' in unattended-upgrades config files
[20:10] <tomreyn> you want to export those environment variables in the shell which the unattended-upgrade process starts in.
[20:13] <Mister_X> so I need to modify the cronjob?
[20:22] <tomreyn> if it's a cronjob and you want to change the environment that its processes run from, yes
[21:36] <wantom> i
[21:36] <wantom> hi
[21:37] <matsaman> hi
[21:37] <matsaman> bye
[21:39] <groovetherapy> hello
[21:39] <matsaman> hi
[21:41] <groovetherapy> im having a silly issue. feels like this should be easy but i cant figure it out. im trying to use `dconf watch` and run a bash script everytime a value changes
[21:41] <groovetherapy> but i cant seem to write a bash script to execute something everytime a value changes
[21:42] <matsaman> can you write a bash script that runs "'date' >> path/to/log" everytime a value changes?
[21:42] <matsaman> well
[21:42] <matsaman> "'date' >> /path/to/log" let's say
[21:42] <groovetherapy> heres an example: https://pastebin.com/raw/0rAaBBKe
[21:44] <matsaman> mmm, I wonder if you'd want dconf watch /whatever | grep foo | while IFS='' read -r line; do echo "$line"; done
[21:48] <groovetherapy> matsaman: hmmm that doesnt seem to work :/
[21:49] <groovetherapy> im not sure what im missing
[21:50] <groovetherapy> once dconf watch begins, nothing seems to come out of it in the context of a bash script
[21:50] <matsaman> if you just do the 'dconf watch path' part, stuff comes out?
[21:50] <matsaman> sorry I don't have dconf handy myself or I'd just figure it out for you =P
[21:50] <groovetherapy> matsaman: yep thats right
[21:51] <matsaman> groovetherapy: okay, and does 'dconf watch path | grep whatevs' work?
[21:51] <groovetherapy> matsaman: yep
[21:51] <groovetherapy> oh huh, i thought dconf was standard on ubuntu
[21:51] <matsaman> mmm, weird
[21:51] <matsaman> I'm not on Ubuntu, or any GNU/Linux, I'm on some horrible work install right now
[21:51] <groovetherapy> ohhh i see
[21:52] <matsaman> well there's probably a better way, and you might start with the --help/-h or man page for dconf/dconf watch, but
[21:52] <matsaman> probably you could wrap it in a 'timeout' and that would just make it fsckin' work
[21:55] <groovetherapy> hmmm the docs for it are pretty sparse
[21:55] <groovetherapy> it is almost as if watch prints to the screen instead of stdout....
[21:56] <arraybolt3[m]> groovetherapy: Change it to `dconf watch path |& grep whatevs`.
[21:56] <arraybolt3[m]> groovetherapy: It's printing to STDERR rather than STDOUT almost certainly, and the `|&` will make everything go through the pipe rather than just STDOUT.
[21:56] <arraybolt3[m]> (This is a Bash-specific trick, there's a different trick if you're using a different shell, but I don't remember it...)
[22:02] <tomreyn> the other would be:  dconf watch path 2>&1 | grep whatevs
[22:51] <master_latch> I would really love some help with an issue I'm having with apt
[22:51] <master_latch> I am trying to sudo apt install python3.8-venv and I get "Failed to fetch" error
[22:54] <oerheks> master_latch, on what ubuntu version?
[22:55] <oerheks> current 22.04 LTS gives 3.10
[22:55] <master_latch> 20.04
[22:55] <ravage> did you try an apt update first?
[22:56] <master_latch> I did
[22:56] <ravage> can you give is the full output of that and your install command on a pastebin?
[22:57] <oerheks> !info python3.8-venv focal
[22:58] <ravage> cat /etc/apt/sources.list|nc termbin.com 9999
[22:58] <ravage> may also be helpful
[22:59] <master_latch> https://pastebin.com/DV5xNGK4
[22:59] <master_latch> that one is the output from sudo apt-get update
[23:00] <master_latch> https://pastebin.com/vTgcxKG0
[23:00] <master_latch> and that's sources.lst
[23:00] <oerheks>  riscv64
[23:01] <master_latch> yeah, I installed the riscv toolchain a while back and I guess that package(s) is having an issue, but is that relevant?
[23:01] <master_latch> I think I did it following these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V#Cross_compilation
[23:01] <oerheks> well, those are the only updates you get, now.
[23:02] <master_latch> Oh
[23:02] <master_latch> is there a way to fix that?
[23:03] <oerheks> well, There is /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list which is in all the proper format.
[23:03] <oerheks> only universe is not enabled default
[23:04] <oerheks> but that would leave you with some riscv64 cruft
[23:05] <oerheks>  apt remove architecture if you no longer planning to use it
[23:06] <master_latch> okay, yeah, I don't really need it
[23:06] <oerheks> sudo dpkg --force-architecture --remove-architecture riscv64
[23:07] <master_latch> ohhh... is it trying to install packages for that architecture??
[23:08] <oerheks> yes, solely
[23:08] <master_latch> Jesus, I just wanted a cross compiler, I didn't want to change which architecture all my packages are for!
[23:08] <oerheks> i have never seen this messed up config. but it can be reversed, i hope
  apt remove architecture if you no longer planning to use it
[23:09] <master_latch> okay, I just did that and ran update and it seems much better
[23:09] <master_latch> and my install command works now :)
[23:09] <master_latch> thank you SO MUCH
[23:10] <master_latch> I was trying to figure this out from googling and reading SO and forums and none of it was addressing my problem
[23:10] <master_latch> since I obviously did something very weird lol
[23:11] <master_latch> I guess back when I installed this toolchain, it was this command that maybe messed things up for me: sudo dpkg --add-architecture riscv64
[23:12] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:15] <Kevin`> how can I show the boot failure that required spawning a root shell instead of booting? is that logged anywhere other than the console?
[23:16] <cbreak> tried journalctl?
[23:17] <Kevin`> yeah, it shows sylog messages but it doesn't look like the "reason" is printed to syslog
[23:17] <Kevin`> alternately, is there a way to ignore the failure and try to boot normally?
[23:39] <Kevin`> found a problem that was problematic enough in syslog to probably cause it


[01:16] <coNP> @now
[01:16] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 02 2007, 11:16:53 - Next meeting: Desktop Team in 1 hour 43 minutes
[03:00] <seb128> dholbach: hey ;)
[03:01] <dholbach> hiya seb128
[03:01] <Hobbsee> lonely meeting :P
[03:01] <seb128> anybody here for the desktop team meeting? ;)
[03:01] <man-di> @now
[03:01] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 02 2007, 13:01:43 - Current meeting: Desktop Team
[03:01] <seb128> hey Hobbsee
[03:01] <dholbach> welcome everybody for a desktop team meeting - who do we have here?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:02] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting is our meeting agenda
[03:02] <dholbach> and it's very short today
[03:03] <dholbach> we want to figure out what's on our todo lists for the next two weeks
[03:03] <dholbach> there'll be 2.19.5 next week
[03:03] <seb128> indeed
[03:03] <coNP> hey everyone
[03:03] <dholbach> anything else on anybody's todo list which we should highlight?
[03:04] <dholbach> hey coNP
[03:04] <dholbach> welcome coNP everybody - Aron's been doing amazing work on the team in the last weeks
[03:04] <seb128> we can also discuss things we can change in the team organisation if you have some suggestions
[03:04] <dholbach> looks like he got the lion share of gnome 2.19.4 done :-)
[03:04] <seb128> coNP: good work!
[03:05] <coNP> thanks dholbach, seb128 :)
[03:06] <seb128> do we have anybody who would be interested to take special care of a package?
[03:06] <seb128> like being the "maintainer" or one member of a team of people looking after it?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> i'm slightly worried about why you're discussing plans for edgy on that agenda...
[03:06] <dholbach> Hobbsee: 'Old Agendas'
[03:07] <dholbach> siti has been taking care of ekiga and friends in the last time, which has worked out really really well
[03:07] <Hobbsee> oh, point
[03:07] <dholbach> siti: is there any new ekiga release planned anytime soon?
[03:07] <siti> I think 3.0 is meant to be released in time for the next gnome
[03:07] <seb128> nice
[03:07] <dholbach> woah - great
[03:07] <siti> it's UI is much better1
[03:07] <siti> !*
[03:07] <seb128> siti: is ekiga uptodate in gutsy at the moment ?
[03:08] <siti> it's the latest stable
[03:08] <dholbach> that'll give us some time to get it tested properly for gutsy release
[03:08] <seb128> good :)
[03:08] <seb128> siti: thanks for working on it!
[03:09] <Hobbsee> seb128: if you're having maintainers on the gnome side, who is a volunteer, what does that mean about other people being able to upload to it, if the maintainer is inactive?
[03:09] <seb128> there is a bunch of untriaged bugs on launchpad for ekiga apparently
[03:09] <siti> yeah, most of the bugs are due to the old ekiga, so I've been lazy...
[03:10] <siti> almost everyone fixes there problems by updating to 2.0.9
[03:10] <seb128> Hobbsee: yeah, we don't have any lock, that's just it's easier to know that some people are looking after a package
[03:10] <dholbach> so setting to needsinfo and asking for confirmation with gutsy would help most of them?
[03:10] <siti> I think so
[03:11] <seb128> good
[03:11] <Hobbsee> seb128: so you dotn have a policy for what happens if someone was doing the regular releases, and then drops off the face of the planet?
[03:11] <dholbach> ok, maybe we should add that as a 'todo task' to our page
[03:11] <seb128> should we clean this list on wednesday for the bug day?
[03:11] <seb128> that seems a reasonable goal
[03:11] <dholbach> yeah, it sounds like a very good idea
[03:11] <seb128> Hobbsee: no, we have a wiki page where we list work to be done and claim things we are working on
[03:11] <Hobbsee> seb128: fair enough
[03:12] <seb128> we usually update if there is no reaction from the usual maintainer in the next days after a new version
[03:12] <Hobbsee> interesting, thanks for letting me butt in :)
[03:12] <seb128> np :)
[03:13] <seb128> siti: would you be interested to hand on #ubuntu-bugs on wednesday for the bug day and help cleaning the ekiga list?
[03:14] <siti> I don't know what I am doing on wednesday, but I can start going through the bugs soon
[03:15] <seb128> k, so let's note this list on the weekly TODO
[03:15] <dholbach> rock and roll
[03:15] <seb128> we will try to give an hand and get it cleaned ;)
[03:15] <dholbach> is the TODO page working OK for everybody?
[03:15] <siti> thanks
[03:15] <seb128> another small goal somebody would like to add?
[03:16] <seb128> so we have
[03:16] <seb128> - update GNOME to 2.19.5
[03:16] <seb128> - clean the ekiga list of bugs
[03:16] <dholbach> - update remaining tarballs
[03:17] <dholbach> should we add 'regular bug tasks' like "reviewing all bugs wit patches" or "cleaning old needsinfo bugs" or other bug lists on DesktopTeam/Bugs?
[03:18] <dholbach> of course add:
[03:18] <dholbach> - get exciting new stuff packaged
[03:18] <dholbach> ;-)
[03:18] <seb128> I think we should have a short list of goals for between now and the next meeting
[03:18] <seb128> and a regular TODO for tasks like cleaning needsinfo, etc
[03:19] <dholbach> ok, I'll add a "regular tasks" section to the page
[03:19] <dholbach> maybe we should do the "weekly goals" thing as a wiki include
[03:19] <dholbach> that way we could have it on the frontpage and on todo
[03:19] <dholbach> and in other places, where like to plug it
[03:19] <seb128> looks good
[03:20] <seb128> you are the wiki master, if you know how to do it ... :)
[03:20] <dholbach> alrighty, I'll do that
[03:20] <seb128> thanks
[03:20] <dholbach> cheers
[03:20] <seb128> anybody else with ideas for a better organisation, things you would like to work on, things you thing that should be done for gutsy?
[03:20] <dholbach> hiya fernando
[03:20] <seb128> hey fernando
[03:21] <fernando> hey dholbach
[03:21] <fernando> hey seb128
[03:23] <seb128> coNP: there is a new GNOME unstable every 2 weeks usually
[03:23] <seb128> we merge with Debian on start of the new cycle usually and then only when there is changes we want
[03:24] <seb128> right now we are mostly done with merges for gutsy
[03:26] <seb128> anything else?
[03:26] <seb128> anybody with some cools idea or things he wants to work on? ;)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: replace gnome with kde!  :P
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ahem.
[03:27] <seb128> Hobbsee: you are already working on that, aren't you? :p
[03:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: erm...cant confirm or deny, on the basis that it may incriminate me.
[03:27] <seb128> doesn't seem to be working though ;)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: you just wait for KDE 4....
[03:27] <seb128> you just wait for GNOME 3 :p
[03:28] <fernando> fight
[03:28] <Hobbsee> now that has no ETA at all :P
[03:28] <seb128> ;)
[03:28] <seb128> k, look like not a lot of other things to add
[03:28] <seb128> dholbach: ?
[03:28] <seb128> the meeting was short but we didn't have one for some time
[03:29] <dholbach> no, not from me - I'd just like us to make an effort to get all the gnome-ish stuff reviewed
[03:29] <seb128> we have some goals for the coming weeks and we will try to have a better list for next one
[03:29] <dholbach> I know that REVU is not perfect, but it's what's used mostly these days
[03:29] <seb128> would be nice if people could add easy goals, or make list of bugs which can be tackled in a bug day like the ekiga one
[03:29] <seb128> so we can keep going with easy tasks weekly
[03:30] <seb128> and show that things are done
[03:30] <seb128> dholbach: right
[03:30] <dholbach> I can make a list of those and add it to the weekly todo, if you like
[03:30] <dholbach> link them from there
[03:30] <dholbach> also for this weeks goals, I'll add all the remaining tarballs, if you don't mind
[03:31] <seb128> dholbach: no problem
[03:31] <dholbach> ok super
[03:31] <coNP> and s/June/July/ :)
[03:31] <seb128> should we have a page where tasks for the week stay
[03:31] <dholbach> I'll let you know once it's done
[03:31] <seb128> and get a green line when they are done
[03:31] <dholbach> yes, I'll make that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/WeeklyTODO
[03:31] <dholbach> working on it now
[03:32] <seb128> cool
[03:32] <dholbach> should we try to agree on a time and date for next week?
[03:32] <dholbach> erm
[03:32] <dholbach> next meeting
[03:33] <dholbach> what about same time in two weeks?
[03:33] <dholbach> does that work well for everybody?
[03:35] <seb128> dholbach: not sure it's ideal, that's during GUADEC ;)
[03:35] <dholbach> hehe :)
[03:35] <dholbach> ah right
[03:35] <seb128> 3 weeks?
[03:35] <dholbach> fine with me, although I'll probably be at ubuntulive
[03:35] <seb128> dholbach: will you be there in 2 weeks?
[03:36] <dholbach> no, the week after guadec
[03:36] <seb128> no, I mean available for a meeting
[03:36] <seb128> in which case let's do it in 2 weeks
[03:36] <seb128> you will be around since you don't go to GUADEC
[03:36] <dholbach> yes, that's fine with me
[03:36] <seb128> and I'll be around for the next one when you are on holidays
[03:37] <seb128> I mean be able to join from GUADEC also
[03:37] <seb128> I expect they will have wireless there ;)
[03:38] <dholbach> yeah, I should think so :)
[03:38] <dholbach> ok, let's go with 2 weeks from now, same time
[03:39] <dholbach> everybody ok with that?
[03:41] <seb128> yes
[03:42] <dholbach> super
[03:42] <dholbach> anything to add? any problems you see at the moment? anything we should make sure to get done soon? anything you'd like to let the team know?
[03:45] <dholbach> ok, probably not
[03:45] <dholbach> let's adjourn then
[03:45] <dholbach> thanks everybody for turning up
[03:46] <dholbach> let's bring up everything else on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then
[03:46] <dholbach> have a nice day
[03:50] <seb128> thanks dholbach


[05:06] <Kilos> gmornig all
[05:07] <Kilos> gmorning too
[05:22] <Kilos> hi bduk
[05:57] <Squirm> hi
[05:59] <Kilos> morning Squirm
[07:07] <Kilos> i go feed sheep
[07:39] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:39] <Vince-0> hi!
[08:02] <Kilos> inetpro, het jy met die taak gewen?
[08:02] <Kilos> more
[08:04] <theblazehen> More Kilos
[08:05] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[08:13] <nuvolari> o/ more oom Kilos
[08:13] <nuvolari> hi theblazehen
[08:13] <nuvolari> and tonberryE352
[08:13] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[08:13] <nuvolari> LTNS
[08:13] <nuvolari> hi Vince-0
[08:13] <theblazehen> hi nuvolari
[08:22] <Kilos> sigh where must i click to see this answer please
[08:22] <Kilos> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14571932/python-typeerror-nonetype-object-has-no-attribute-getitem
[08:25] <Vince-0> haai
[08:34] <Kilos> sorry peeps.
[08:44] <charl> good morning
[08:44] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:44]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:44] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:45] <charl> Kilos: what are you busy with the pythons there
[08:45] <charl> and hi :)
[08:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:48] <Kilos> struggling my bot charl
[08:49] <Kilos> get that error when she gotta google stuff
[08:49] <Kilos> TypeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '__getitem__'
[08:55] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:55] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[08:56] <charl> do you have a file and line number?
[08:56] <charl> which exact line of code is producing this
[08:56] <charl> according to my understanding this is python's equivalent to a java nullpointerexception
[08:56] <Kilos> lemme try get it
[08:56] <charl> one of the most infamous java errors :)
[09:00] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2ix9h4bne
[09:02] <Kilos> what file and line number you looking for
[09:05] <charl> there you go
[09:06] <charl> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ibid/plugins/google.py", line 55, in search
[09:06] <charl> now you know the file and you know the line number
[09:06] <charl> it's the topmost item in the stack trace
[09:07] <charl> for item in items["responseData"]["results"]:
[09:07] <charl> that's the line of code that is producing the error
[09:07] <charl> what is happening here is that either items is None or items["responseData"] is None
[09:08] <Kilos> yeah i saw that on stackoverflow too but have no idea how to fix it
[09:09] <Kilos> they show the question but i cant find the answers and if i did they wouldnt most likely explain for ordinary peeps
[09:10] <Kilos> so must i nano that
[09:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[09:12] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:12] <Kilos> last day hey
[09:12] <Kilos> enjoy it
[09:12] <Kilos> they cant make you slave today
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> they never could anyway
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice farewell lunch with my team to distract me from work even more :)
[09:14] <Kilos> haha
[09:14] <Kilos> enjoy.
[09:20] <Kilos> how does one copy a whole file in nano
[09:20] <Kilos> it dont auto scroll
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> cp file nameofcopy
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> in a terminal
[09:27] <Kilos> oh before its open in nano?
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[09:28] <Kilos> ty
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> or you mean that you want to copy text to the clipboard?
[09:29] <Kilos> i want to copy /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ibid/plugins/google.py so i can pastebin it
[09:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> oooh
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> open it in a graphical editor, will be far easier
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> gedit or leafpad or kate or whatever you have
[09:33] <Kilos> what does debian 7 use
[09:33] <Kilos> i dont want to install extra stuff on a host
[09:34] <Kilos> gedit want to install 29m
[09:35] <Kilos> nano is already there
[10:01] <Kilos> ah ThatGraemeGuy cat worked kiff
[10:01] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21sa80laW
[10:01] <Kilos> charl, ^^
[10:03] <Kilos> is it line 99?
[10:03] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[10:03] <Cantide> hello :)
[10:18] <Kilos> haha Dear google We promise we dont bite
[10:26] <Kilos> or is it line 30
[10:26] <Kilos> dont see many none around
[11:00] <Kilos> hi maiatoday
[11:01] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[11:49] <charl> ok back
[11:49] <charl> hi Kilos  looking now
[11:52] <Kilos> one needs to understand python to understand all of that
[11:52] <charl> the script is making use of this api https://developers.google.com/web-search/docs/
[11:52] <charl> however, i immediately notice something
[11:52] <charl> in the python code it is making use of http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web
[11:52] <charl> but in the example code it uses https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web
[11:53] <charl> note the difference - http vs https
[11:53] <Kilos> yeah
[11:53] <charl> just tested it on curl but it seems like both work for me
[11:55] <Kilos> i dont understand the prob because im using the exact ibid release and georgl as well and ours have no probe
[11:55] <Kilos> probs
[11:55] <charl> are you behind an http proxy?
[11:55] <Kilos> maybe something related to the install
[11:55] <charl> you can test the example here from your machine: curl -e http://www.my-ajax-site.com 'http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web?v=1.0&q=Paris%20Hilton'
[11:55] <charl> that's without the https
[11:55] <Kilos> i use no proxy i think
[11:57] <Kilos> lotsa stuff there
[11:57] <Kilos> thats by me
[11:57] <Kilos> i check on host and see
[11:57] <Kilos> same
[11:59] <charl> i have absolutely no idea
[11:59] <charl> did you specify an api key ?
[11:59] <charl> or a country?
[12:00] <charl> sounds to me like a bug in ibid - you should report it to the developers
[12:02] <Kilos> nope nothing specified i think
[12:03] <Kilos> first wanna fix it then will tell tumbles what we did
[12:03] <Kilos> he too busy to fix bugs
[12:08] <charl> no idea, i would need to fiddle with it by sitting down with it to figure this out
[12:08] <charl> i would need to dump some stuff out to the console
[12:08] <charl> but most likely google changed something and now ibid is kapot
[12:14] <charl> whow, you're running a server in japan?
[12:14] <charl> just looked at the pricing on linode.com but it looks really expensive
[12:15] <Kilos> not me
[12:15] <Kilos> i been given an account on it for the bot
[12:16] <charl> how's the latency on that
[12:16] <charl> i pinged the host and it had like a 250ms latency
[12:16] <Kilos> very fast
[12:16] <charl> really? that's very strange
[12:16] <Kilos> quicker than maaz i think
[12:16] <charl> what is your definition of fast though
[12:16] <Kilos> QA, hi
[12:16] <QA> hi
[12:17] <charl> what's the ping from your side?
[12:17] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[12:17] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[12:17] <Kilos> ping what link?
[12:17] <charl> $ ping li618-159.members.linode.com
[12:17] <charl> for me it's consistently 259ms exactly
[12:18] <Squirm> If I ping freenode from the account
[12:18] <Squirm> 64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_req=9 ttl=40 time=300 ms
[12:18] <Squirm> 64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_req=10 ttl=40 time=300 ms
[12:18] <Squirm> 64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_req=11 ttl=40 time=300 ms
[12:18] <Squirm> 64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_req=12 ttl=40 time=300 ms
[12:23] <charl> yeah but that's to the irc server i was asking to that linode host
[12:24] <charl> wow sendak is in lithuania
[13:13] <georgl> i have tried both http and https options, and both work fine
[13:13] <Kilos> lol
[13:13] <georgl> however https takes a little longer to return result
[13:13] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[13:14] <psyatw> hi georgl
[13:14] <georgl> hi psyatw
[13:14] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[13:14] <charl> hi psyatw
[13:14] <psyatw> why is that the case according to you, georgl?
[13:14] <psyatw> hi charl
[13:14] <Kilos> Maaz, seen georgelappies
[13:14] <Maaz> Kilos: georgelappies was last seen 2 months, 1 day, 18 hours, 32 minutes and 55 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-07-19 20:41:42 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-07-28 19:39:20 SAST
[13:14] <Kilos> wow so long
[13:15] <Kilos> charl, if there was a bug in the ibid package it would surely affect other installs on other pcs too?
[13:16] <charl> yes
[13:17] <georgl> is charl the host owner?
[13:18]  * psyatw remembers certain SPARC and MIPS processors have have hardware acceleration for SSL, so there wouldn´t really be a difference in processing speed between http and https
[13:18] <georgl> my test was on a cloud server.
[13:19] <georgl> not sure what the backend is
[13:19] <charl> psyatw: how many millennia ago did that make a difference? :P
[13:19] <psyatw> charl, I´m wondering because of of what georgl said above :P
[13:20] <charl> sorry got behind, reading
[13:20] <charl> oh i see, no that probably has nothing to do with it
[13:20] <charl> what is most likely the case is you first need to perform a tls transaction
[13:21] <charl> and the latency takes time
[13:21] <georgl> yup
[13:21] <charl> for me it makes no real difference
[13:21] <Kilos> nope Squirm
[13:22] <charl> apparently it does make a difference - between 0m0.023s and 0m0.039s here
[13:23] <charl> that is a significant difference, it's almost twice as long
[13:23] <charl> except i don't really feel the 0.02s difference
[13:24] <Kilos> you okes are splitting hairs
[13:30] <Kilos> hi roochy
[13:31] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:31] <roochy> thanks for that useless information
[13:32] <Kilos> lol
[13:32] <charl> :S
[13:33] <Kilos> if you need ubuntu or linux help youve come to the right place
[13:33] <Kilos> is that more helpfull ?
[13:35] <charl> oh my goodness i started laughing here and now i can't stop
[13:35] <Kilos> hehe
[13:38] <charl> ok lemme try to regain myself and carry on working
[13:38] <Trixar_za> roochy: No problem. Useless information is our forte. Please stand by for more of it.
[13:39] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za hehe
[13:39] <roochy> sweet like a lemon
[13:39] <Kilos> sharp like a minora
[13:41] <Trixar_za> blunt like a razor
[13:42] <Kilos> hows the kernel doing Trixar_za ?
[13:47] <Trixar_za> Always comes up with the same error
[13:48] <Kilos> eish
[13:48] <charl> whow the new spring website is looking awesome
[13:48] <charl> http://spring.io/
[14:07] <Kilos> oh my just noticed the package i gave to install to the  debian host is the package for precise
[14:08] <Kilos> maybe they os selective
[14:08] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:08] <Kilos> os specific
[14:08] <Kilos> daai ding
[15:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok time to wipe the laptop, bye now
[15:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> actually bye for a while, until i get another laptop sometime :-)
[15:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> or tab
[15:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> kbye!
[16:09] <Kilos> aw
[17:56] <magespawn> Good evening
[17:56] <Vince-0> !
[17:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:57] <Kilos> i see eames left sometime
[17:58] <Kilos> i think my ibid prob is we installed a precise package into debian7
[17:58] <magespawn> Yup yup, that the alternate nick on the laptop
[17:58] <magespawn> Oops
[17:59] <Kilos> oh not the work nick?
[17:59] <Kilos> i cant find one for debian
[17:59]  * Kilos cries
[17:59] <charl> whahahah http://25.media.tumblr.com/df1b923978568eef4357ffd018756567/tumblr_msqke1i2001shiiezo1_1280.jpg
[17:59] <charl> hi magespawn, Vince-0, Kilos
[18:00] <Kilos> hi charl
[18:01] <charl> what problem is this?
[18:01] <charl> with the ibid
[18:01] <magespawn> Hey charl  Vince-0
[18:01] <Kilos> ya
[18:01] <charl> are you still on about the google problem?
[18:01] <Kilos> but everything works except for intermittent google burps
[18:01] <Kilos> well duh!
[18:01] <charl> intermittent?
[18:02] <Kilos> thats a major problem
[18:02] <charl> so most of the time it works well?
[18:02] <Kilos> QA, google lost
[18:02] <QA> Kilos: I'm not feeling too well
[18:02] <Kilos> other times it works
[18:02] <charl> sounds like something else to me
[18:02] <magespawn> QA google trees
[18:02] <QA> magespawn: "Tree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree :: "Trees" http://treesdallas.com/ :: "Trees at arborday.org - Arbor Day Foundation" http://www.arborday.org/trees/ :: "What Tree Is It? HOME - Ohio Public Library Information Network" http://www.oplin.org/tree/ :: "/r/trees - home of the ents - Reddit" http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/ :: "NC State University: Tree Information - Trees" http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/dep…
[18:02] <charl> google is known to be really reliable
[18:03] <charl> i don't think it has anything to do with debian
[18:03] <magespawn> QA google big cars
[18:03] <QA> magespawn: That didn't seem to agree with me
[18:03] <magespawn> QA google big cars
[18:03] <QA> magespawn: I'm not feeling too well
[18:03] <magespawn> QA google cars
[18:03] <QA> magespawn: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[18:03] <magespawn> Lol
[18:03] <charl> what happens when you do all of that with curl on the same server
[18:03] <charl> QA: google spring
[18:03] <QA> charl: That didn't seem to agree with me
[18:04] <charl> just repeatedly curl a bunch of stuff
[18:04] <Kilos> lemme try
[18:04] <Kilos> curl -e hey?
[18:04] <charl> yeah
[18:05] <Kilos> i gotta use links with that curl -e
[18:06] <Kilos> thats no good
[18:06] <charl> QA: google ubuntu
[18:06] <QA> charl: "Ubuntu: The world's most popular free OS" http://www.ubuntu.com/ :: "Download Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) :: "Ubuntu (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) :: "Ubunt…
[18:06] <charl> QA: google ubuntu
[18:06] <QA> charl: "Ubuntu: The world's most popular free OS" http://www.ubuntu.com/ :: "Download Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) :: "Ubuntu (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) :: "Ubunt…
[18:07] <charl> QA: google debian
[18:07] <QA> charl: "Debian -- The Universal Operating System" http://www.debian.org/ :: "Debian -- Getting Debian" http://www.debian.org/distrib/ :: "Downloading Debian CD/DVD images via HTTP/FTP" http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ :: "Debian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian :: "DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux" http://distrowatch.com/debian :: "The Debian Project (debian) on Twitter" https://twitter.com/debian :: "Deb…
[18:07] <Kilos> if one can curl -e trees ya
[18:07] <charl> QA: google random nonsense
[18:07] <QA> charl: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[18:07] <charl> QA: google railgun
[18:07] <QA> charl: "Railgun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun :: "Rail Gun Naval Test Shot - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54aLcC3G74 :: "HowStuffWorks "How Rail Guns Work"" http://science.howstuffworks.com/rail-gun.htm :: "The Military's Super Shipwrecking Railgun Just Got Really Real" http://gizmodo.com/5889004/the-militarys-shipwrecking-railgun-just-got-really-real :: "Electromagnetic Railgun - Office of N…
[18:07] <charl> QA: google free software
[18:07] <QA> charl: "Front Page — Free Software Foundation — working together for free ..." http://www.fsf.org/ :: "Free software - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software :: "CNET Download.com: Free software downloads and software reviews" http://download.cnet.com/ :: "Completely FREE Software - Windows & DOS freeware" http://www.completelyfreesoftware.com/ :: "What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foun…
[18:08] <charl> QA: google movies
[18:08] <QA> charl: That didn't seem to agree with me
[18:08] <charl> i am seeing a pattern here - when the search term is too generic it refuses to work
[18:08] <charl> QA: google quantum physics
[18:08] <QA> charl: I'm not feeling too well
[18:08] <charl> QA: google photons
[18:08] <QA> charl: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[18:08] <charl> QA: google gravitons
[18:08] <QA> charl: "Graviton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton :: "Graviton -- from Eric Weisstein's World of Physics - ScienceWorld" http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Graviton.html :: "Extra dimensions, gravitons, and tiny black holes | CERN" http://home.web.cern.ch/about/physics/extra-dimensions-gravitons-and-tiny-black-holes :: "Graviton" https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Graviton.html :: "…
[18:09] <charl> hmmm i dunno
[18:11] <Kilos> yeah frustrating
[18:11] <Kilos> QA, coffee on
[18:11]  * QA washes some mugs
[18:12] <Kilos> everything else works fine
[18:12] <Kilos> inetpro, koffie
[18:14] <Kilos> tumbleweed, point us in the right direction please
[18:15] <magespawn> QA coffee please
[18:15] <QA> magespawn: Alrighty
[18:15] <Kilos> she is so cute i gotta fix her by hook or by crook
[18:15] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos and magespawn!
[18:16] <Kilos> QA, danke
[18:16] <QA> Bitteschön
[18:17] <magespawn> Is there a module of the ibid that controls how the google works?
[18:17] <Kilos> google.py i think
[18:17] <Kilos> i pasted it somewhere
[18:18] <magespawn> Maybe there is a setting there to tweek
[18:18] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21sa80laW
[18:19] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21wvutsIf
[18:19] <Kilos> im trying to find the one in history
[18:20] <Kilos> maybe cause she dunno what country she is in
[18:20] <Kilos> now behaves like an arab
[18:30] <magespawn> Maybe
[18:31] <georgl> rofl
[18:31] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <magespawn> Just dozed of there for a sec, new job has me tired
[18:32] <Kilos> shame
[18:32] <Kilos> not used normal work hours
[18:32] <magespawn> Quiet lekker actuall6
[18:32] <Kilos> good
[18:33] <magespawn> And not used to getting the work piled on all at once
[18:33] <Kilos> i thought it was working
[18:33] <magespawn> Got to play with some nice wireless equipment today
[18:34] <magespawn> It is, but almost zero fault tolerance
[18:35] <Kilos> if its not broken dont fix it
[18:36] <Kilos> get the manual stuff all done first
[18:38] <magespawn> You mean asterisk or lpic?
[18:38] <Kilos> you said you gotta do cabling
[18:39] <Kilos> or fibre
[18:39] <Kilos> i forget
[18:39] <magespawn> Cabling
[18:39] <Kilos> to all the buildings
[18:39] <Kilos> ya while everything is working do that first
[18:39] <magespawn> Sorting a wireless link to the gm house tomorrow
[18:40] <Kilos> oh he no cable fan
[18:40] <magespawn> There are going to be some building changes as well, so trying to keep everything running and okay till then
[18:41] <Kilos> isnt wifi slow
[18:41] <magespawn> 300mbps
[18:41] <magespawn> Like I say some nice equipment
[18:41] <Kilos> thats slower than good 3g
[18:41] <magespawn> No good 3g
[18:42] <magespawn> And this is stable
[18:42] <Kilos> yeah for there but i mean wifi isnt that good
[18:43] <magespawn> Brb
[18:43] <Kilos> lol
[18:44] <magespawn> Right
[18:45] <Kilos> whats this
[18:45] <Kilos> (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish!)
[18:45] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <magespawn> a line from the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <Kilos> did you look at the slexy links magespawn ?
[18:47] <magespawn> On the other end of the wifi is a 4mbps uncapped adsl line
[18:47] <Kilos> look for tweaks
[18:47] <magespawn> Yes I did, did not understand it all
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Kilos> ibid be serious python
[18:48] <magespawn> Yes and most of that ie over my head at the moment
[18:48] <magespawn> S/ie/is
[18:49] <Kilos> thats part of why we wanted to study python
[18:50] <magespawn> Yes indeed, but you have to learn to walk before you run
[18:50] <Kilos> and the pro waylaid us
[18:50] <Kilos> grrr
[18:50] <magespawn> It is kind of the right way to do things
[18:50] <magespawn> Besides we can discuss it anyway
[18:50] <Kilos> dont take his part
[18:51] <Kilos> meeting here monday night hey
[18:51] <magespawn> Shame he needs some support now and then
[18:52] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:52] <Kilos> he is too cheeky most of the time
[18:52]  * Kilos waits for ai!
[18:52] <magespawn> Yes and this Friday on #linux-studies
[18:52] <Vince-0> http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/09/testing-ubuntu-touch-final-month-before.html
[18:52] <Vince-0> need one of those supported devices
[18:52] <Kilos> no one got past runlevels
[18:54] <Kilos> oh btw in unity you adduser and kde useradd
[18:56] <Kilos> when i upgraded to kde3 4.11 and had probs i battle to adduser but useradd worked
[18:57] <Kilos> only couldnt get one added with sudo power
[19:05] <magespawn> Do you not  have to use sudo to add a user anyway?
[19:06] <Kilos> ya sudo adduser nick sudo
[19:06] <Kilos> the it complains about sudo
[19:06] <Kilos> but worked without last sudo
[19:08] <Kilos> bedtime for ballies
[19:08] <magespawn> The last one does not make sense
[19:08] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:09] <magespawn> Good night
[19:09] <Kilos> thats supposed to tell it has admin power
[19:09] <Kilos> hope QA haunts peeps
[19:10] <Kilos> QA, night love
[19:10] <QA> Sleep tight Kilos See you tomorrow
[20:10] <magespawn> Good night all
[20:12] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:12] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[20:12] <charl> hi inetpro
[20:12] <inetpro> charl: how are you this evening?
[20:12] <charl> i'm great thanks, yourself?
[20:12] <inetpro> hot in Pretoria
[20:13] <charl> extremely rainy in the netherlands
[20:13] <charl> we have been raining out for about a month now
[20:13] <inetpro> this day just went way to quickly again
[20:13] <georgl> storming in cape town
[20:13] <charl> this whole week has flown by