[08:47] <yossarianuk> hi - the zoom client deb package is not able to be installed on 23.10
[08:47] <yossarianuk> he following packages have unmet dependencies.
[08:47] <yossarianuk>  zoom : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not installable
[08:47] <yossarianuk>         Depends: libegl1-mesa but it is not installable
[09:11] <RikMills> yossarianuk: zoom need to fix their deb package then. those have been transitional dummy packages for about the last 6 years. zoom should depend on the real ones
[10:18] <ynkz> hi
[10:30] <lolek_papuga> does any maintanter from kubuntu taking care since yesterday fucking kubuntu.org isnt updated with new release?
[10:31] <lolek_papuga> Valorie ZIMMERMAN
[10:31] <lolek_papuga> IRC valorie
[10:31] <lolek_papuga> Blog Linux Grandma
[10:31] <lolek_papuga> Rick TIMMIS
[10:31] <lolek_papuga> any of you?
[10:31] <lolek_papuga> i need kernel 6.5 since AMDGPU has few updates like fucking keyboard does boot up from suspend
[10:32] <lolek_papuga> -4000 years behind windows
[10:40] <skramer> lolek_papuga: Maybe you could step in and help to reduce that "-4000 years" gap? :)
[10:52] <guiverc> lolek_papuga, you can download it; all images are on cdimage.ubuntu.com so navigate to what you want; eg. https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/23.10/release/
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:03] <Roberalz> hi @BluesKaj
[13:05] <BluesKaj> hi Roberalz
[13:06] <BluesKaj> no need for the @
[13:07] <Roberalz> ok! thanks BluesKaj
[13:07] <BluesKaj> yw
[23:05] <rabbitnightmare> hello I am trying to install nvidia 395 drivers on Kubuntu 23.10, but I cant seem to figure it out
[23:06] <rabbitnightmare> I need them because the audio was working via hdmi and all of a sudden its not
[23:07] <rabbitnightmare> why does Kubuntu always get treated like a 3rd world citizen ffs
[23:53] <gunterx9-78vqz> #onyt


[10:27] <ion_> keybuk: Oh, btw, i finally got around to subscribing to LWN a few days ago. :-)
[10:27] <Keybuk> ion_: \o/
[18:43] <Blanchy> if I would like to have fewer virtual terminals on my xubuntu 9.04 box, do I just need to remove (or rename??) /etc/event.d/ttyX files?
[18:44] <sadmac2> Blanchy: remove
[18:45] <Blanchy> is there a config file somewhere that I need to update when I add/remove ttyX files?
[18:46] <Blanchy> similar to inittab
[18:46] <sadmac2> Blanchy: nope
[18:46] <Blanchy> thanks
[21:29] <ion_> keybuk: Any interesting decisions at UDS so far? :-)
[21:33] <Keybuk> ion_: nothing on upstart
[21:33] <Keybuk> other than "will do more of it"
[21:33] <Keybuk> the new branch has a name now though
[21:33] <Keybuk> "upstart-nl"
[21:33] <ion_> Ok
[21:34] <ion_> Next... lactation?
[21:34] <Keybuk> it's better than "ng" :p
[21:35] <JamesB192> nederlands? j/k 'next locus' right?
[21:36] <sadmac2> Nice and Luscious
[22:00] <viric> Hello
[22:00] <viric> I have some problems with an old upstart...
[22:00] <viric> Anyone willing to help a poor user with an old version?
[22:06] <viric> Soo I'm dealing with the halt sequence


[00:26] <SamB> is BZR_PROGRESS_BAR=none working for anyone else ?
[00:26] <SamB> it isn't working for me ...
[00:56] <jml> SamB: I've never tried it.
[00:58] <SamB> well, progress bars look really unsightly in emacs buffers :-(
[01:29]  * SamB wonders if he reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/339380 against the correct thing ...
[01:30] <SamB> um, that's not an ubuntu bug is it ?
[01:30] <SamB> it wasn't supposed to be ...
[01:32] <SamB> where did everybody go?
[01:32] <SamB> to bed ?
[01:32] <SamB> (because of the DST change?)
[01:33] <jelmer> still here
[01:33] <jelmer> SamB, #launchpad is more appropriate for launchpad bugs though
[01:33] <SamB> well, I can't really tell where the bug is ;-)
[01:44] <jelmer> lifeless, ping
[02:03]  * SamB wonders if he should report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517770 on launchpad, Debian isn't responding and he has no reason to believe this is a Debian problem ...
[02:03] <SamB> huh, that thing is neat
[02:12] <LaserJock> SamB: it nows eeeeverything :-)
[02:14] <Peng_> mwhudson: If I break the build, you have only yourself to blame. :P
[02:17] <jelmer> SamB, I'm pretty sure it's not debian specific
[02:17] <jelmer> SamB, just haven't had time to forward it to lp yet
[02:18] <SamB> oh, okay, I guess I'll do it then
[02:20] <james_w> SamB: I've just done it
[02:20] <james_w> bug 339385
[02:21] <SamB> ah, okay, subscribed myself to that
[02:25] <SamB> would it be innapropriate to flag this bug as affecting an emacs-lisp package that runs bzr and expects it to honor that environment variable ?
[02:26] <SamB> the launchpad documentation doesn't seem to be very clear on the intended meaning of "also affects" ...
[02:26] <LaserJock> SamB: it would be I think if something had to be fixed in the emacs package in order for it to work
[02:27] <SamB> oh, no
[02:27] <LaserJock> so I would think in this case it wouldn't be appropriate
[02:29] <SamB> but if the package had users, wouldn't it be nice to be able to somehow indicate that this bug would affect that package, so that they wouldn't file a bug against it?
[02:29] <SamB> but I guess that's more of a launchpad question ...
[02:29] <LaserJock> well, it might yes, but it would sort of depend on if that's likely
[02:30] <LaserJock> like take a bug in grep. you're not going to add an "Also affects" to every program that uses grep
[02:30] <SamB> well, no ;-)
[02:31] <SamB> but it's very likely that this particular bug will affect anyone using this emacs package on its own code ...
[02:32]  * SamB wonders when the bug occured
[02:34] <SamB> (that's how I found it; I initially reported it against the elisp package only to discover that it *was* setting the env var but that wasn't working)
[02:36] <LaserJock> then what you'd normally do is mark the elisp package task as "Invalid" and do "Also affects" for bzr
[02:36]  * SamB decides to update http://bazaar-vcs.org/GitStyleBranches with how it's working for him
[02:37] <SamB> that wasn't necessary because the elisp package wasn't yet using a bug tracker
[02:39]  * SamB wonders why in the world MoinMoin has markup for <h1> ...
[02:40] <ronny> hu?
[02:40] <ronny> its a wiki
[02:40] <SamB> yes, but the H1 should come from the page title
[02:41] <ronny> hmm
[02:42] <ronny> im sure there is some obscure use case that is/was necessary
[03:33] <SamB> I've tried to explain the procedure in detail: http://bazaar-vcs.org/GitStyleBranches -- criticism welcome
[08:22] <lifeless> jelmer: pong
[10:37] <Spaz> does bzr have a way to copy files?
[10:46] <luks> hm, bzr+ssh (push) is doing something stupid. progress bar is on "Transferring:Walking content. 900/995" and it's doing tons of tiny append requests (~300 bytes on average)
[10:46] <luks> Spaz: it doesn't
[10:46] <Spaz> :(
[10:55] <LarstiQ> luks: -Dhpss?
[10:55] <LarstiQ> luks: this sounds a bit familiar, just a sec
[10:55] <luks> LarstiQ: how do you know I knew about the append requests? :)
[10:55] <luks> s/know/think/
[10:56] <luks> and sftp fails with PathError: Generic path error: '51i9iwdq4q7i7h37s2ub.fetch': Failure: unable to rename to '../packs/1735d9ebad85f138adac0df322fbfaf0.pack')
[10:56] <LarstiQ> luks: so that is how you knew ;)
[10:56] <luks> so it's not possible to push this branch to a remote server
[10:56] <LarstiQ> luks: bug 331823?
[10:56] <luks> there is no stacking involved
[10:57] <LarstiQ> luks: the title might not be describing the actual problem correctly
[10:57] <luks> well, unless recent bzr is doing something automagically
[10:57] <LarstiQ> luks: the bug in question is not in 1.12, but was in bzr.dev
[10:57] <LarstiQ> fwiw
[10:58] <LarstiQ> if that doesn't work, it is unfortunately something else
[10:58] <luks> frankly, that sftp fails worries me a little more
[10:58] <luks> I never had good luck with bzr+ssh
[10:59] <luks> the pack code still hides the actual error, so without hacking bzr I can't even know why it's failing
[11:00] <MarcWeber> Which is the bzr command to find a diff adding or removing a string?
[11:01] <luks> bzr doesn't have such a command built-in
[11:01] <MarcWeber> luks ? I'd like to know wether there has been a test case containing "stop on never"
[11:02] <MarcWeber> So can't I just export a long list of diffs or such?
[11:03] <luks> there is bzr log -p, but that's probably not released yet
[11:07] <MarcWeber> I don't mind installing an experimental bazaar version..
[11:07] <MarcWeber> Thank you!
[11:09] <LarstiQ> MarcWeber: you can also use the bzr-bisect plugin
[11:09] <LarstiQ> MarcWeber: which is a bit more general than what you asked, but can get it done.
[11:10] <MarcWeber> :-) bzr -> git would do as well.
[11:10] <luks> LarstiQ: I wonder how, you need to check manually whether the string is there or not
[11:11] <LarstiQ> luks: as the test for yes/no you run 'grep string'
[11:11] <luks> LarstiQ: that's O(log N) vs O(1) operation :)
[11:11] <luks> (for human work)
[11:18] <LarstiQ> luks: oh, I use the 'automatic' branch of bisect, where you write the test once
[11:19] <LarstiQ> Odd_Bloke: merge it allready ;P (I don't suppose you have since recalled what the problem was?)
[11:21] <harobed> in bazaar online document, at 5.2.2   Starting a central branch, are there one error in "Here is an example of the second way:" ?
[11:21] <harobed> I think last line bzr push sftp://centralhost/srv/bzr/project/trunk isn't useful because second example use checkout
[11:21] <luks> link?
[11:21] <harobed> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#publishing-a-branch
[11:22] <harobed> at  5.2.2
[11:22] <luks> yep, that's wrong
[11:23] <luks> commit will automatically push in this case
[11:23] <harobed> Ì happy, I well understand :)
[11:23] <harobed> luks: can you fix it ?
[11:24] <luks> maybe, it's been some time since I last sent a bzr patch :)
[11:24] <luks> I think the example should use branch, not checkout
[11:24] <luks> because checkouts are explained later
[11:25] <luks> hm, or not
[11:25] <luks> "Note that committing inside a working tree created using the checkout command implicitly commits the content to the central location as well as locally."
[11:25] <harobed> yes
[11:25] <harobed> I think we must delete push line
[11:25] <luks> yep
[11:29] <harobed> luks: you send the patch ?
[11:29] <harobed> or I do ?
[11:30] <luks> already sending it
[11:30] <harobed> great ;)
[11:30] <luks> or do you want to? :)
[11:39] <harobed> no, I'm continuing Bazaar user guide reading...
[11:39] <lifeless> right, BB mail-bombed:)
[12:42] <Odd_Bloke> LarstiQ: I haven't, and I don't really have time to check whether it's a major issue or not.
[16:46] <awilkins> jelmer: Ping?
[16:47] <jelmer> awilkins, pong
[16:47] <awilkins> jelmer: Are you interested in public SVN repos that cause tracebacks in bzr-svn?
[16:47] <jelmer> awilkins, yes, very much so
[16:48] <awilkins> jelmer: The MythTV SVN causes an AssertionError on both a branch and the trunk
[16:48] <jelmer> awilkins, URL ? :-)
[16:48] <awilkins> jelmer: I can pack up the repo I have for you to save you some time if you want
[16:48] <awilkins> http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes
[16:48] <awilkins> It's a /trunk , /tags , /branches  layout
[16:50] <awilkins> Traceback at  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/128387/
[16:51] <awilkins> ls
[16:52] <jelmer> awilkins, when does it break exactly?
[16:52] <jelmer> during the copying phase?
[16:53] <awilkins> Copying revisions
[16:53] <awilkins> Hmm, don't need "obsolete packs" do we
[16:54] <jelmer> awilkins, around which revision?
[16:54] <jelmer> I'm at 800 now
[16:55] <awilkins> Around 15000
[16:55] <awilkins> I was bandwidth bound here, but I don't know which end
[16:55] <awilkins> I suspect mine though, only 2mbit
[16:56] <awilkins> Using 1.9-rich-root
[16:59] <awilkins> As I recall it identifies about 20,000 revisions to copy, and when you try again after it breaks, it has about 4,000 left
[17:00] <awilkins> Uploading my repo (178MB in an archive) would probably take longer than you downloading at your end :-)
[17:02] <jelmer> awilkins, I don't get impressive results here either, it seems mainly restricted by the CPU in the server and the latency
[17:02] <jelmer> hi weigon
[17:03] <weigon> hi
[17:03] <rocky> heyo jelmer
[17:03] <jelmer> hey rocky
[17:04] <rocky> jelmer: don't suppose you've had a chance to try out my branch? (no idea if you intend on eventually upgrading your tracbzr instnaces)
[17:04] <jelmer> awilkins, I think I get ~75k
[17:04] <jelmer> rocky, I don't actually have any tracbzr instances running
[17:04] <jelmer> rocky, we have one at bugs.bitlbee.org, but I don't have any access to the admin side of things
[17:04] <rocky> ahhh, gotcha
[17:05] <jelmer> rocky, If it fixes any actual bugs (the _get_weave one, right?) and you're confident it works well I'd be happy to review it though
[17:07] <rocky> jelmer: well before my changes i couldn't actually browse the repo, got several problems... not sure what you mean regarding _get_weave tho
[17:07] <rocky> this is with bzr 1.12
[17:08] <rocky> jelmer: i wouldn't care about officially branching off to have a branch to release from that only cares about trac 0.11 and bzr > 1.12 support
[17:08] <rocky> could probably get rid of some gunk that way
[17:11] <rocky> jelmer: btw, is there anyway to delete a branch from launchpad? i'd like to get rid of my sandbox branch
[17:12] <jelmer> rocky, Hmm, what in particular broke with 1.12 ?
[17:13] <jelmer> rocky, I think it's possible to remove a branch from lp, not sure how exactly
[17:13] <rocky> jelmer: let me switch my branch back to find the original problems
[17:15] <gnomefreak> in Hardy i'm getting an error when running bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder=...... its telling me Unable to load plugin 'builddeb' is there a way around this?
[17:16] <rocky> jelmer: the _get_weave bug you described... that's because of bzr 1.12
[17:16] <gnomefreak> bzr: ERROR: unknown command "bd" is also there
[17:16] <rocky> jelmer: which means viewing the revision log for a file broke
[17:17] <jelmer> rocky, right
[17:17] <jelmer> rocky, Please request a merge of your branch into trunk
[17:18] <rocky> jelmer: hm... looks like that bug was reported back with bzr 1.6 ... bug #263300
[17:19] <jelmer> yeah, it's pretty old
[17:19] <rocky> wow, which is a duplicate of a bug referencing bzr 1.5
[17:20] <rocky> jelmer: i think i'll do some more research and such before i request a merge
[17:21] <jelmer> rocky, more research why ? Because you're not confident your code is right?
[17:22] <rocky> because i just found out some more info on the bug regarding what the code was just trying to accomlish, it's possible i missed something
[17:22] <rocky> plus, my branch does more than just fix that
[17:22] <rocky> it fixes 1 other thing as i recall and cleans up backend.py for pep8
[17:30] <jelmer> rocky, generally, please keep separate bug fixes in separate branches
[17:30] <jelmer> so they can be merged independently
[17:40] <rocky> well, the branch started out as "sandbox" because i didn't know what i was fixing :)
[19:05] <mwhudson> Peng: hi
[19:05] <mwhudson> Peng: "However, if I truncate builtins.py, it can't figure it out." -- if you disable the filename guessing, right?
[19:08] <Peng_> mwhudson: Right.
[19:09] <Peng_> mwhudson: I'm not sure if I tested it with filename guessing enabled.
[19:11] <Peng_> mwhudson: Yeah, with filename guessing, it works.
[19:18] <stefanlsd> How would i revert some changes I did in revision 2.  I am now on rev 13, but just want to drop the rev 2 changes?
[19:18] <LarstiQ> stefanlsd: obliterate? (harder) or apply a reverse diff? (easy)
[19:19] <LarstiQ> stefanlsd: bzr merge . -r 2..1
[19:19] <LarstiQ> for the latter
[19:23] <mwhudson> Peng_: ok
[19:24] <mwhudson> Peng_: land it :)
[19:25] <Peng_> mwhudson: Alright. Thanks. :)
[19:25] <mwhudson> thanks for the fix
[19:27] <Peng_> :)
[19:27] <stefanlsd> LarstiQ: thanks. the reverse diff worked great.
[19:30] <Peng_> Done.
[19:32] <lifeless> mwhudson: moin
[19:33] <mwhudson> lifeless: hi
[20:05] <thumper> morning
[20:11] <jelmer> 'morning lifeless, mwhudson, thumper
[20:22] <lifeless> jelmer: what tz are *you* in :P
[20:27] <lifeless> jml: https://edge.launchpad.net/testscenarios
[20:36] <lifeless> jelmer: you might like current subunit - all the merge requests that were outstanding have been landed :)
[20:38] <awilkins> jelmer: Did your branch from the SVN at mythtv.org reproduce that AssertionError
[20:39] <lifeless> radix: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~radix/subunit/report-errors-better/revision/50 ?
[20:39] <lifeless> radix: no test for it ? :P
[21:02] <jfroy> jelmer: ping
[21:08] <LarstiQ> lifeless: I have vague notion in my head that you've done something with testing and resources, is that correct?
[21:08] <lifeless> LarstiQ: :P
[21:08]  * LarstiQ wonders how to interpret that :P
[21:10] <LarstiQ> lifeless: the problem I have is that some tests need different/largish datasets, I'd like the loading of them work irregardless of where you run the test from
[21:10] <lifeless> LarstiQ: lp:testresources may match your needs
[21:10] <LarstiQ> lifeless: kiitos
[21:11] <lifeless> LarstiQ: its specifically designed though, for resources that multiple tests need
[21:11] <lifeless> LarstiQ: e.g. 'a mysql db' or 'a configured django server' etc
[21:11] <LarstiQ> lifeless: not too far from what I'm going through
[21:11] <lifeless> LarstiQ: there is another project, 'testscenarios' which is closer to regular dependency injection, which is 'run this one test in N different scenarios'
[21:12] <lifeless> LarstiQ: high up my TODO list is making these two projects play really well together
[21:12] <LarstiQ> lifeless: also useful, but not what I'm looking for right now
[21:12]  * LarstiQ had briefly looked at some things on pypi
[21:12] <lifeless> LarstiQ: just ping me for any info you want on testresources
[21:13] <lifeless> the api needs a little love at the moment
[21:13] <LarstiQ> lifeless: will do
[21:57] <mwhudson>   File "/home/mwh/canonical/repos/bzr/brisbane-core/bzrlib/plugins/groupcompress/groupcompress.py", line 753, in get_record_stream
[21:57] <mwhudson>     yield FulltextContentFactory(key, parents, sha1, bytes)
[21:57] <mwhudson> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'bytes' referenced before assignment
[21:57] <mwhudson> um, guys?
[21:58] <lifeless> mwhudson: that wouldn't seem to work :P
[21:59] <mwhudson> this was bzr pull ../bzr.dev into an empty --gc-chk255 branch
[22:01] <lifeless> mwhudson: intent that line 4
[22:01] <lifeless> and at the end of the if at line 742 yield a chunked one appropriately
[22:01] <lifeless> indent
[22:03] <mwhudson> lifeless: i have no idea what "yield a chunked one appropriately" means
[22:04] <lifeless> yield ChunkedContentFactory(key, parents, sha1, bytes)
[22:04] <lifeless> erm
[22:04] <lifeless> s/bytes/chunks
[22:04] <lifeless> mwhudson: probably want to drop into pdb once, and check the type of chunks
[22:04] <lifeless> if it is a bytestring, just change the variable names
[22:05] <mwhudson> lifeless: seems to be progressing now
[22:05] <lifeless> if it is a list, ^^ chunked factory type
[22:07] <mwhudson> well, to a point, then i got
[22:07] <mwhudson> bzr: ERROR: Revision {('selftest-20050621060616-bb8b5b36e3c950c8', 'robertc@robertcollins.net-20050919060519-f582f62146b0b458')} not present in "<bzrlib.plugins.groupcompress.groupcompress.GroupCompressVersionedFiles object at 0x21d9b50>".
[22:15] <lifeless> mwhudson: I suspect you have a very old bzr.dev repo
[22:15] <lifeless> that looks like the issues I was repairing in mine
[22:15] <mwhudson> there's something about bzr.dev -r 1512 that confuses it
[22:15] <mwhudson> it's fairly old i guess
[22:15] <mwhudson> reconcile time?
[22:15] <lifeless> grab a copy from http://bazaar-vcs.org to /tmp
[22:15] <lifeless> reconcile isn't a big enough hammer
[22:15] <mwhudson> or that
[22:16] <mwhudson> ok
[22:20] <lifeless> brekfasty things
[22:23]  * mwhudson stabs his isp
[22:24] <mwhudson> lifeless: (when you get back) is lp:bzr repaired sufficiently?
[22:30] <Kobaz> aww
[22:31] <Kobaz> bzr diff doesn't take multiple files for arguments
[22:40] <thrope> hi - I'm having some trouble, runninng 1.12 and bzr-svn 0.5.2 - dont use it much, bt just tried to check the log of NEWS in loggerhead branch, got an error about subvertpy
[22:40] <thrope> so I installed subvertpy with easy_install
[22:40] <thrope> and now I just get a segmentation
[22:41] <thrope> I was hoping bazaar would be getting more stable with the frequent releases after all the trouble i had when starting out with it
[22:41] <thrope> but it seems not!
[22:41] <thrope> what can I do to debug a segmentation fault
[22:41] <thrope> when i try to do log on a file
[22:50] <bob2> Kobaz: eh, yes it does
[22:51] <thrope> removing bzr-svn seemed to fix it - strange that it completely breaks bzr, even on plain bzr branches that having nothing to do with svn
[22:52] <lifeless> mwhudson: lp:bzr - dunno
[22:52] <lifeless> mwhudson: I'd hope so cause the format change recently was done after repair
[22:53] <lifeless> thrope: so bzr-svn sefaulting - please do file a bug on bzr-svn
[22:53] <mwhudson> should be then
[22:54] <lifeless> thrope: as for it affecting to many bzr commands, I've filed a bug on that just recently :), and the next version is somewhat better. It does hook in at a very basic level though which means that early-faults inbzr-svn will show up
[22:55] <thrope> lifeless: i will reinsall and see if I can reproduce it, but I reading a bit I think it doesn't support python 2.4 which I am on, so perhaps it was that
[22:56] <mwhudson> lifeless: same result with lp:bzr :(
[22:59] <lifeless> mwhudson: hmm
[23:00] <lifeless> mwhudson: as a hack, set the format._fetch_order = 'topological' in groupcompress
[23:00] <lifeless> mwhudson: see if that helps
[23:01] <mwhudson> lifeless: i need more clues than that
[23:01] <mwhudson> ah, repofmt.py
[23:05] <mwhudson> lifeless: no difference
[23:05] <lifeless> testing myself
[23:06] <lifeless> mwhudson: wherein does it fail?
[23:06] <lifeless> like, revno ?
[23:07] <mwhudson> lifeless: https://pastebin.canonical.com/14704/
[23:08] <mwhudson> it's r1512 that seems to be the problem
[23:08] <mwhudson> i can pull -r 1511
[23:08] <lifeless> Pull phase:Transferring revisions 2200/22421
[23:08] <mwhudson> and then pull -r 1512 fails
[23:08] <mwhudson> lifeless: it fails soon for me then :)
[23:08] <lifeless> ok
[23:09] <mwhudson> repository has 2600 revisions
[23:12] <lifeless> mwhudson: so, ('selftest-20050621060616-bb8b5b36e3c950c8'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is in the source
[23:12] <lifeless> mwhudson: and not in the target
[23:13] <lifeless> ('selftest-20050621060616-bb8b5b36e3c950c8'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:13] <lifeless> is the text to insert
[23:13] <lifeless> I suspect I'll end up hacking deeply on this today :(
[23:15] <lifeless> mwhudson: ah
[23:15] <lifeless> (Pdb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:15] <lifeless> True
[23:15] <lifeless> (Pdb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:15] <lifeless> True
[23:15] <lifeless> I remember this
[23:16] <lifeless> mwhudson: for now, use what you've got to play with :)
[23:16] <jml> lifeless: thanks.
[23:24] <mwhudson> lifeless: yeah, makes senss i guess
[23:25] <lifeless> mwhudson: I've pushed the groupcompress initial bugfix
[23:27] <lifeless> mwhudson: wipe out your chk repo
[23:27] <lifeless> mwhudson: and apply this:
[23:28] <lifeless> --- bzrlib/repository.py        2009-03-07 06:42:07 +0000
[23:28] <lifeless> +++ bzrlib/repository.py        2009-03-08 23:28:00 +0000
[23:28] <lifeless> @@ -3381,10 +3381,7 @@
[23:28] <lifeless>                          # We don't copy the text for the root node unless the
[23:28] <lifeless>                          # target supports_rich_root.
[23:28] <lifeless>                          continue
[23:28] <lifeless> -                    # TODO: Do we need:
[23:28] <lifeless> -                    #       "if entry.revision == current_revision_id" ?
[23:28] <lifeless> -                    if entry.revision == current_revision_id:
[23:28] <lifeless> -                        text_keys.add((file_id, entry.revision))
[23:28] <lifeless> +                    text_keys.add((file_id, entry.revision))
[23:28] <lifeless>              revision = self.source.get_revision(current_revision_id)
[23:28] <lifeless>              pending_deltas.append((basis_id, delta,
[23:28] <lifeless>                  current_revision_id, revision.parent_ids))
[23:29]  * mwhudson tries that
[23:31] <mwhudson> lifeless: it's getting further, at least
[23:33] <lifeless> mwhudson: we still have a root bug, I'm not landing that patch as it will potentially make fetches a lot longer, but it will work :)
[23:38] <mwhudson> lifeless: i then got
[23:38] <mwhudson> bzr: ERROR: Revision {('NEWS-20050323055033-4e00b5db738777ff', 'john@arbash-meinel.com-20060920223617-ee51f416037ec263')} not present in "<bzrlib.plugins.groupcompress.groupcompress.GroupCompressVersionedFiles object at 0x1c2dc90>".
[23:39] <mwhudson> 7600 revs in :(
[23:41] <lifeless> mwhudson: grah, I'll run with the change I had you made; but again - use what you have :P
[23:46] <Kobaz> bob2: no it doesn't
[23:48] <Kobaz> budder {~/projects/basePBX/postgres/t} kobaz$ bzr diff *
[23:48] <Kobaz> bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: postgres/t/v_cos_includes.pl postgres/t/v_extensions.pl postgres/t/v_trunks.pl postgres/t/v_cos.pl postgres/t/generatePolycomConfig.pl postgres/t/l4p_tests.conf "postgres/t/#v_cos.pl#" postgres/t/v_trunk_groups.pl "postgres/t/#v_extensions.pl#"
[23:48] <Kobaz> those files are in the repo... and if i do bzr diff v_cos_includes.pl, it works fine
[23:48] <Kobaz> and even the help says it takes one file
[23:49] <Kobaz> Usage:   bzr diff [FILE...]
[23:49] <Kobaz> hmm
[23:49] <bob2> Kobaz: because you used *, which your SHELL expands to every random file in that dir
[23:50] <lifeless> Kobaz: what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:50] <bob2> Kobaz: if you did bzr diff onefileinthebranch.pl twofileinthebranch.pl etc it would work
[23:50] <Kobaz> actually, if i do bzr diff file1 file2, that actually works
[23:50] <Kobaz> lifeless: do a diff of all the files in the dir
[23:50] <Kobaz> okay, so it does take multiple files... but it doesn't handle wildcards properly
[23:50] <lifeless> Kobaz: 'bzr diff .'
[23:50] <Kobaz> ah, that works
[23:51] <bob2> Kobaz: your shell handles the wildcards
[23:51] <SamB> heh
[23:51] <Kobaz> well
[23:51] <bob2> "'bzr diff legitfile.pl somefilethatisn'tinthebranch.pl" should file, imo
[23:51] <Kobaz> apparently there's some difference between bzr diff *, and bzr diff everyfileinthedirectory
[23:52] <mwhudson> lifeless: bzr.dev 2238 seems to be the problem this time
[23:52] <Kobaz> because if i take all the files... and make a list, and send it to bzr diff.. it works fine
[23:52] <bob2> Kobaz: you missed a file
[23:52] <bob2> Kobaz: e.g. the # backup files
[23:52] <Kobaz> but bzr diff * (which in theory is the same thing)... doesn't work
[23:52] <Kobaz> that doesn't throw an error
[23:53] <Kobaz> bzr diff #v_cos.pl#  #v_extensions.pl#  generatePolycomConfig.pl  l4p_tests.conf  v_cos.pl  v_cos_includes.pl  v_extensions.pl  v_trunk_groups.pl  v_trunks.pl
[23:53] <Kobaz> that works fine
[23:53] <Kobaz> $ echo *                                                                                #v_cos.pl# #v_extensions.pl# generatePolycomConfig.pl l4p_tests.conf v_cos.pl v_cos_includes.pl v_extensions.pl v_trunk_groups.pl v_trunks.pl
[23:54] <Kobaz> that's the shell expansion
[23:54] <Kobaz> so... something wiggity is going on
[23:58] <Kobaz> ooooooh
[23:58] <Kobaz> i see what's going on
[23:58] <Kobaz> the error message is wrong
[23:58] <Kobaz> bzr diff \#v_cos.pl# generatePolycomConfig.pl
[23:58] <Kobaz> bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: postgres/t/generatePolycomConfig.pl "postgres/t/#v_cos.pl#"
[23:58] <Kobaz> it should say : bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: "postgres/t/#v_cos.pl#"
[23:59] <Kobaz> because the perl script is versioned
[23:59] <mwhudson> lifeless: so using the gc-chk255 format, loggerhead works but is ~twice as slow on most pages


[00:02] <Mez> nalioth, if you're still around, could you add me on the ops list for #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[00:23] <gouki> Well, I'm about to go live with the thing. If anyone wants to check the list of channels: ubuntuircstats.org/list.txt
[00:23] <gouki> I'll be back in a few!
[00:43] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu (AlgorthmicContro dangerous command)
[00:45] <elkbuntu> he's doing other channels now too
[00:46] <elkbuntu> he hit up u-w
[01:46] <PriceChild> We should organise a Council meeting sometime.
[01:46] <PriceChild> Night
[01:49] <LjL> better later than sooner
[01:52] <somerville32> lol @ LjL
[03:31] <ubotu> fignew called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[03:34] <nalioth> nixternal: klined
[03:34] <nixternal> thanks
[03:34] <nixternal> he was doing the same garbage last night
[03:34] <nalioth> he's been doing the same thing for weeks
[03:34] <nalioth> different nick
[04:34] <ubotu> kahrytan called the ops in #ubuntu (skyfalcon866)
[04:34] <ubotu> skyfalcon866 called the ops in #ubuntu (kahrytan)
[04:35] <ardchoille> hehehe
[04:35] <ardchoille> erm, sorry, ut that's a bit humerous
[04:36] <ubotu> skyfalcon866 called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (pici)
[04:38] <ubotu> skyfalcon866 called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (ubotu)
[04:38] <nixternal> fark!#@#
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> hrm?
[04:38] <nixternal> what happened to ops in +1
[04:38] <Pici> I dont have access there.
[04:38] <nixternal> someone ban that idiot
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: who / why ?
[04:38] <nixternal> akyfalcon866
[04:39] <nixternal> why: because he is an idiot
[04:39] <Pici> I just removed them from #ubuntu
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> quick log summary perhaps?
[04:39] <nixternal> bah
[04:39] <Pici> 23:31:58 <skyfalcon866> ubuntu is a fresh pile of monkey poop
[04:39] <Pici> 23:32:15 <Dr_willis> skyfalcon866,  demand a refund then.
[04:39] <Pici> 23:33:10 <skyfalcon866> ubuntu is a fresh pile of monkey poop
[04:39] <Pici> 23:33:46 <skyfalcon866> Ubuntu is one of them simple distros
[04:39] <Pici> 23:33:56 <kahrytan> !op | skyfalcon866
[04:39] <Pici> Then he !opsed at kahrytan, at which point I banned him.
[04:40] <vorian> lol
[04:41] <nixternal> wtfucklafjde084308432
[04:41] <nixternal> don't sit there and stair at the f'n troll
[04:41] <vorian> one of them simple ones
[04:41] <nixternal> stare too
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: Sorry - fresh install - had to go find the op script :S
[04:41] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:41] <nixternal> I used to, or thought I used to, have ops in there
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> Which incidentally is still on the backup on the external hard drive
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> I don't know why you wouldn't...
[04:42] <nixternal> lol... /abk
[04:42] <ardchoille> tonyyarusso: There's an ops script?
[04:42] <nixternal> /abk
[04:42] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:42] <nixternal> irssi screaming - YOU DON"T HAVE ABK!!!
[04:42] <Pici> I use a bunch of irssi aliases
[04:42] <ardchoille> Oh, auto_bleh.pl
[04:42] <nixternal> ya
[04:42] <ardchoille> love that script
[04:42] <nixternal> it is the easiest
[04:42] <vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams/Ircops for xchat....
[04:43] <ardchoille> thank you nixternal (wrt #kubuntu)
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> ardchoille: yeah, a slightly customized version of bleh is what I use.
[04:43] <nixternal> I knew he would be doing that
[04:43] <Pici> atopance (sp) posted a bunch of aliases on his blog, from which I slightly modified for myself on irssi.
[04:43] <nixternal> and then he messages me with "I'm done"
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> Pici: pon
[04:44] <ardchoille> tonyyarusso: I got my version from tomaw.net
[04:44] <no0tic> Pici, url please :)
[04:44] <ardchoille> nixternal: Yes, he *is* done, lol
[04:44] <nixternal> exactly what I told him :)
[04:44] <ardchoille> hehe
[04:44] <nixternal> I said "yes you are, have a nice day"
[04:44] <vorian> ah, atoponce wrote it based off seveas' chanserv.py script
[04:45] <Pici> no0tic:  http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/11/irssi-chanserv-and-nickserv-helper-aliases/
[04:45] <ardchoille> Pici: Thanks
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> ardchoille: I got mine from Seveas, who had gotten it from someone else and added some bits, and then I added some bits.
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> methinks auto_bleh should have some bzr repositories
[04:46] <ardchoille> I agree
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> I made it add anyone I removed/banned to my hilight list by hostmask.  Can be pretty handy in recognizing people.
[04:47] <nixternal> totally, and it needs to be updated so it doesn't spit all of that info out at you
[04:47] <ardchoille> Nice
[04:47] <nixternal> it floods a screen when you ban/kick someone
[04:50] <tonyyarusso> true
[04:50] <tonyyarusso> I'd imagine that's as simple as commenting out some print statements
[04:51] <nixternal> ya, but looking at perl is like looking at myself in the mirror..one huge mess :)
[04:55] <crdlb> lovely bit of spam from LCh in #ubuntu ...
[04:55] <no0tic> where can I find auto_bleh.pl?
[04:56] <nalioth> no0tic: Uncle Google will show you
[04:58] <no0tic> nalioth, I found this http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/auto_bleh.pl_   didn't find the "official" page if exists
[04:58] <no0tic> nalioth, alsa found a tomaw page on this
[04:58] <ardchoille> no0tic: I use tomaw's version
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> no0tic: no idea - I've only seen it transferred by DCC and the like :P
[04:59] <no0tic> and there's no google for dcc transfers :)
[05:00] <no0tic> ah, http://ircarc.com/network/freenode/   <--- another logging bots site..
[05:02] <crdlb> k-lined long ago :)
[05:03] <no0tic> fine :)
[05:20] <no0tic> lol a little bit of doc or comments in the script would help :)
[05:22] <nalioth> no0tic: are you busy?
[05:23] <no0tic> nalioth, no, I'm trying to understand every command of auto_bleh.pl
[05:23] <no0tic> nalioth, ok, then I will document it..
[05:24] <nalioth> no0tic: the server sent you a message
[05:24] <no0tic> 16/12 06:21:43 [freenode] -!- you: No such nick/channel
[05:25] <no0tic> that?
[06:16] <spr0k3t> test please
[06:18] <nalioth> have you followed the instructions, spr0k3t ?
[06:22] <spr0k3t> I went back to my own network... I had to use a neighbors for a while.
[06:22] <spr0k3t> I know my router/network is good.
[06:22] <nalioth> ok
[06:23] <nalioth> ok, you can rejoin #ubuntu now (and welcome back home)   :D
[06:24] <spr0k3t> yeah, no kidding... power is back on.  thank god the battery backup I have lasted me for longer than a day.
[06:24] <spr0k3t> waveroos
[09:18] <ubotu> In ubotu, four-o-four said: This is an autoreply: I am not currently available, please leave your message.I'll get back at you as soon as possible.
[09:18] <jpatrick> hmm..
[09:19] <Gary> thats what my ansaphone says
[10:07] <ubotu> soldats called the ops in #ubuntu ([MxPm]Synz-Nein)
[10:08] <ubotu> soldats called the ops in #ubuntu ([MxPm]Synz-Nein)
[10:09] <Gary> damnit, we need more ops in #ubuntu
[10:09] <no0tic> lol :)
[10:11] <Gary> whats the ubuntu koren support channel?
[10:12] <ubotu> Arelis called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[10:13] <Gary> thanks tomaw
[10:13] <tomaw> np
[10:14] <tomaw> Do you have a korean support channel at all?
[10:15] <Gary> that was not korean, afaik
[10:15] <tomaw> He's said it is to me and some other staff
[10:15] <Gary> but yeah, #ubuntu-ko
[10:16] <ubotu> In ubotu, four-o-fou1 said: This is an autoreply: I am not currently available, please leave your message.I'll get back at you as soon as possible.
[10:16] <jpatrick> again?
[10:16] <no0tic> tomaw, I saw you use auto_bleh.pl, does it ban other stuff other than hostname?
[10:17] <tomaw> nope, it only does hostnames currently
[10:18] <no0tic> afyk is there anything like that for weechat?
[10:18] <no0tic> *afayk
[10:22] <tomaw> I've not really looked at weechat too much
[10:22] <tomaw> It has lots of scripting support though, so it would hopefully not be too difficult to create
[10:24] <no0tic> I'm trying to spread the use of auto_bleh to the others -it ops, but few use irssi..
[10:24] <tomaw> Ah :)
[10:24] <tomaw> You could ask in #weechat, they seem quite friendly people
[10:24] <Gary> chanserv.py works well for xchat
[10:25] <no0tic> tomaw, thanks :)
[10:26] <ubotu> In ubotu, four-o-fou1 said: This is an autoreply: I am not currently available, please leave your message.I'll get back at you as soon as possible.
[10:27] <no0tic> 3
[10:28] <Gary> wow, so much idle chatter in #ubuntu this morning
[10:34] <wols> is anyone awak?
[10:35] <wols> snmpee is trolling in #ubuntu
[10:35] <wols> tomaw: are you awake still maybe?
[10:35] <tomaw> I am
[10:37] <wols> can you again police ubuntu and rid them of aegis and snmpee?
[10:37] <wols> very much a rules digression there
[10:38] <tomaw> I can take a look, certainly
[10:40] <tomaw> pesky nick completion
[10:44]  * Dave2 hands tomaw a mind-reading tab key
[10:45] <tomaw> :D
[10:45] <Dave2> I'm sure it'll come in handy.
[10:45] <no0tic> wrong knockout? :)
[10:47] <tomaw> I only used +q, so it didn't really matter too much
[10:55] <ardchoille> If more help is needed in #ubuntu, I'll gladly help out if someone adds me to the access list for that channel.
[10:57]  * Hobbsee joins it, to watch
[10:58] <tomaw> I banned [MxPm]Synz-Nein and removed him from the channel
[10:59] <tomaw> He's not exactly being polite to me in private and I can believe that he's sending users crap when they talk
[10:59] <tomaw> Anyway, that's me gone for a bit.  Enjoy :)
[11:00] <Gary> thanks tomaw
[11:00] <jussi01> hiya all
[11:00] <ardchoille> hi jussi01
[11:00] <jussi01> hiya ardchoille
[11:01] <jussi01> who are the bot gurus among us?
[11:01] <Hobbsee> mmmm
[11:03] <Hobbsee> depends on the def'n of a bot guru
[11:03] <jussi01> just my bot is being naughty... keeps deciding to join #ubuntu and #kubuntu if I start her. sigh... dunno how to fix it and Im sure nobody wants it in there... :(
[11:04] <Hobbsee> jussi01: what bot?
[11:05] <jussi01> Hobbsee: just a private one of my own. I used it once as a backup for ubotu and now it wont not join. (bot name she_said)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> jussi01: yeah, but what is it/
[11:05] <Hobbsee> what type of bot?
[11:05] <jussi01> supybot
[11:06] <jussi01> ubotu clone basically.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> it should be in the .conf file that you specified, then
[11:06] <stdin> in "supybot.networks.[NetworkName].channels: ..."
[11:06] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yeah, I played with that, but it didnt seem to do anything.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> while the bot is not running (where it will hose your changes if it is), remove the cahnnels from the autojoin
[11:06]  * jussi01 goes to look
[11:07] <jussi01> see, i have: supybot.networks: freenode
[11:07] <jussi01> thats it
[11:08] <Hobbsee> yup
[11:08] <Hobbsee> which is correct
[11:08] <Hobbsee> but it's got channels listed there
[11:08] <Hobbsee> did you have the bot running while you were playing?
[11:08] <jussi01> ahhh, found it now.
[11:08] <stdin> you can edit it with "@config supybot.networks.freenode.channels: #channels #you #want" if it's running (where '@' is the character it responds to)
[11:09] <jussi01> ok, all sorted! :)
[11:09] <jussi01> thanks Hobbsee stdin
[11:14] <Hobbsee> you're welcome
[11:16] <jussi01> :)
[16:06] <PriceChild>  Bandwidth Down/Up(kbps) 	 2356 / 144
[16:06] <PriceChild> That's madness
[16:18] <somerville32> PriceChild, how so?
[16:19] <wols> somerville32: so low, you go mad over it?
[16:20] <somerville32> I'm downgrading to 1mbs/128kbs
[16:20] <somerville32> Is it that horrible?
[16:20] <somerville32> I currently have 7mbs down/256kb up
[16:21] <kbrooks> somerville32, wow, that's ~7 seconds for a 1GB file
[16:21] <kbrooks> but thats a estimate
[16:22] <somerville32> You mean for a 100mb file?
[16:22] <kbrooks> somerville32, yes, thats right, i was wrong ;-)
[16:22] <Myrtti> I've got 512/ something
[16:22] <Myrtti> I'm happy as can be
[16:22] <Myrtti> mobile Internet <3
[16:23] <jussi01> i have 5/3 atm, until I get my sorry butt down to the place and order my 10/10
[16:23]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti - spring is good!!
[16:24] <Myrtti> you mean the theme?
[16:24] <Myrtti> just emailed them a new version
[16:24] <jussi01> Myrtti: yep!
[16:24] <Myrtti> and a fresh new screenshot
[16:24] <jussi01> Myrtti: Im off to check it out.. :)
[16:24] <Myrtti> and a brand new theme too
[16:24] <Myrtti> I wonder how long it'll take them to actually update it to the site ;-)
[16:26] <jussi01> Myrtti: any chance of an email with it coming my way?
[16:29] <Myrtti> take a catch, trying to send it as dcc
[16:29] <Myrtti> :-P
[16:31] <jussi01> hmmm, how do i accept that in irssi...??
[16:32] <Myrtti> /dcc get <nick>
[16:32] <jussi01> :)
[16:33] <Myrtti> another one coming
[16:33] <jussi01> thanks!
[16:37] <Myrtti> basically the new one is like the old, but it acts more nicely if you have a dark background color
[16:37] <jussi01> ahhh, nice
[16:37] <Myrtti> I think I also have tweaked the hilights someway
[16:37] <jussi01> highlight me?
[16:37] <Myrtti> jussi01: are you positive?
[16:38] <jussi01> yes!! I like it!
[16:38] <Myrtti> /me doesn't like hilighting people in vain
[16:38] <Myrtti> /me doesn't like hilighting people in vain, jussi01
[16:38] <Myrtti> the hilight with not b0rked /me is broken still
[16:38] <Myrtti> I should have a look at that
[16:39] <jussi01> hmmm, when you higlight like the second time, it comes up with: RedMyrtti
[16:39] <jussi01> ??
[16:39] <Myrtti> it does?
[16:39] <Myrtti> wow
[16:39] <Myrtti> which one?
[16:40] <jussi01> yeah...
 /me doesn't like hilighting people in vain, jussi01
[16:40] <Myrtti> spring or dark_winter?
[16:40] <jussi01> spring
[16:40] <Myrtti> funny, doesn't do that with me
[16:40] <Myrtti> /me pokes it more
[16:41] <jussi01> hmmm, maybe its my konsole doing funny stuff..
[16:41] <jussi01> Ill try xterm... brb
[16:45] <jussi01> gah, that was horrible
[17:31] <Myrtti> is the flashplugin still b0rken?
[17:34] <LjL> people complain about it
[17:34] <LjL> but it's been removed from the topic
[17:35] <LjL> i suppose whoever removed it had their reasons
[17:38] <jussi01> it should be fixed
[17:38] <jussi01> where is ikonia ?
[17:39] <LjL> hi assilva, can we help you?
[17:40] <assilva> LjL, pla
[17:40] <assilva> LjL, nao thanks
[17:40] <LjL> assilva, uhm, then may i know why you joined?
[17:40] <assilva> LjL, obrigado eu so entrei para conhecer
[17:41] <jussi01> wha??
[17:42] <no0tic> thanks, I joined to know
[17:42] <LjL> jussi01: he said thanks i just joined out of curiosity
[17:42] <jussi01> ahhh, thank you :)
[17:49] <PriceChild> somerville32, because I spend about 40 weeks of the year on 18/2.5 M
[17:50] <somerville32> : O
[17:50]  * somerville32 dies.
[17:50]  * PriceChild grins
[17:51]  * jussi01 steals PriceChild's bandwidth...
[17:52] <Myrtti> PriceChild: with all due respect and from the bottom of my heart with all my love: shuddup.
[17:52] <Myrtti> <3
[17:52] <PriceChild> I betcha wanna kill the dong hey?
[17:53] <jussi01> the dongs connection is very enviable.... Lynch him!!!
[17:54]  * PriceChild runs off whilst you're all distracted
[17:54] <somerville32> what does jdong have?
[17:55] <PriceChild> somerville32, he's at MIT ;)
[17:55] <PriceChild> well not now, tis back for hols
[17:55] <PriceChild> Myrtti, flashpluggin is fixed in -proposed I think.
[17:55] <PriceChild> *plugin
[17:56] <somerville32> PriceChild, Unless you use konq
[17:57] <somerville32> It kills konq
[18:05] <tonyyarusso> What happened to it btw?
[18:06] <somerville32> md5sum mismatch
[18:06] <somerville32> (ie. new version of Flash)
[18:12] <Jack_Sparrow> lokito is insulting us
[18:14] <somerville32> Jack_Sparrow, where?
[18:14] <Jack_Sparrow> in ubuntu
[18:14] <Jack_Sparrow> in spanish
[18:17] <jdong> tonyyarusso: macromedia has a single install_flash_9.tar.gz type file that may change versions, hence md5sums, as Adobe puts out new versions
[18:17] <jdong> tonyyarusso: and the "archived" versions are in a 60MB tarball with every version released in the past decade
[18:17] <jdong> retarded upstream syndrome, in other words :)
[18:17] <tonyyarusso> jdong: aaah
[19:06] <PriceChild> Grr I guess that was a server death? None of my other connections reset so hoping its not just me
[19:06] <LjL> PriceChild: it's just you
[19:06] <PriceChild> Grrr what's going on with me then :/
[19:07] <Gary> you is br0ken
[19:29] <nalioth> hi sysdef
[19:29] <sysdef> hi nalioth
[19:30] <sysdef> i need to test the performance of a servicebot for #ubuntu-de* and i need a hightraffic channel. so i want to ask for permission to join #ubuntu and i want a quiet for it. is there a way?
[19:31] <nalioth> sysdef: we can quiet it alright, we just want to know that it's not gonna be otw disruptive
[19:32] <ompaul> sysdef, what are its names?
[19:32] <sysdef> the bot will just join, stay there for a while for masurement and part. not spamming or public loggin of course
[19:32] <sysdef> ompaul: xbot
[19:32] <sysdef> measure*
[19:32] <ompaul> nalioth, you want to do it
[19:33] <nalioth> ompaul: i just wanted everyone to know about it
[19:33] <ompaul> as they should ;-)
[19:33] <sysdef> ompaul: i actually do a rewrite for shetlandpony, the servicebot of #ubuntu-de*
[19:33] <ompaul> its is bonned
[19:34] <ompaul> muted even
[19:34] <nalioth> ahh, ok
[19:34] <nalioth> ompaul: it's not always gonna be identified
[19:34] <ompaul> nalioth, true but atm it will be
[19:34] <sysdef> thanks a lot. i'll tell when the tests are over 8)
[19:34] <ompaul> nalioth, if I see it not ided then I'll give it a lash
[19:35] <nalioth> ompaul: look at #ubuntu scrollback
[19:36] <ompaul> nalioth, to be sure to be sure :)
[19:37] <LjL> ban the ident
[19:37] <LjL> (mute that is)
[19:37] <ompaul> LjL, it is now
[19:47] <sysdef> first test was nice. old engine need about 2 sec. to proceed 50 channel user. the new one need >4 sec. for 1270 user
[19:48] <tonyyarusso> sysdef: engine of what now?
[19:48] <tonyyarusso> oh, nvm  /me reads scrollback
[19:48] <sysdef> 0)
[19:49] <sysdef> i'll stay in #ubuntu-irc and poke when the test over 8)
[19:50] <ompaul> Mez, got connection problems?
[19:50] <ompaul> heads up
[19:50] <ompaul>
[19:51] <PriceChild> Who gave him fish?!
[19:51] <ompaul> I just ban forwarded this nick: Sinobeus aka Sinobeus aka Dmitrys aka W0lD  to name but a few
[19:51] <PriceChild> That's mine :(
[19:51] <ompaul> nickspam was the reason
[19:53] <ompaul> can't comment it yet
[19:54] <Mez> ompaul, bip proxy sucks
[19:54] <ompaul> Mez, suggest direct connection
[19:55] <Mez> ompaul, it just sucks
[19:55]  * tonyyarusso wonders whether other Ubunteros one too many mailing lists would find the results of his e-mail reorg. helpful
[19:56] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, mail is a pain if you can help document and get some quite opinions and then consider
[19:57] <Mez> for F***K sake
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: sure.    Can procmail do that?  (IMAP, btw)
[20:00] <ompaul> procmail could help you
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> cool
[20:01] <ompaul> could but your scripting will be smarter
[20:01] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, that is interesting how do you follow threads then
[20:02] <kbrooks> um, ompaul
[20:02] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: I already know that it's from the marketing mailing list from the Reply-To line - I don't need redundant information.
[20:02] <kbrooks> ompaul, utty is asking "anyone know a key gen for hsfmodem to enable full speed"
[20:02] <kbrooks> ompaul, in #ubuntu
[20:03] <tonyyarusso> bah
[20:03] <ompaul> kbrooks,  no idea
[20:03]  * tonyyarusso will take that one.
[20:03] <ompaul> is that a piracy issue
[20:03] <ompaul> or something
[20:03] <kbrooks> ompaul, "key gen"... illegal
[20:03] <kbrooks> yes a piracy issue it seems
[20:03] <ompaul> thanks
[20:04] <kbrooks> ompaul, np
[20:05] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: It is, yes.
[20:05]  * tonyyarusso has an hsfmodem as well, and a purchased key
[20:06] <tonyyarusso> They offer a trial version so people can check that they've actually found the right driver for their modem, but if it works, it's limited to 11 kbps instead of 53.  For $19.99 you get an enabling code to up it to full speed.
[20:06] <kbrooks> tonyyarusso, well, i marked that question as offtopic :)
[20:07] <tonyyarusso> Aside from asking other people to share their keys, you should also be aware that their are instructions floating through the tubes for doing it without a key by modifying a bit in a hex editor, which I haven't tried, but from what I've seen has like a 50/50 success (probably depending on version differences)
[20:10] <kbrooks> tonyyarusso, Thank you for that.
[20:10] <tonyyarusso> np
[20:10] <tonyyarusso> At least I can put that week of my life I lost learning about winmodems to some good use...
[20:11] <kbrooks> tonyyarusso, hehe :-)
[20:38] <PriceChild> nalioth, elkbuntu, LjL, Thoughts on ubuntu/bot cloak for ubuntustats?
[20:38] <PriceChild> ( http://ubuntuircstats.org )
[20:38] <nalioth> do we want it being 'official' ?
[20:40] <PriceChild> I'm not sure........? :)
[20:40] <tonyyarusso> It would be nice for it to gain that status, but I'm not sure about it at the moment, as I haven't followed recent developments on that front.
[20:40]  * tonyyarusso used to talk to the guy running it regularly, hasn't in months.
[20:40] <nalioth> he's been away for months
[20:41] <ompaul> http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/589010.html
[20:41] <ompaul> currently on my player
[20:43] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: Where would I find that song?
[20:45] <LjL> PriceChild: i'd like to see a link to the source code used on the web page
[20:46] <PriceChild> gouki, ^
[20:46] <gouki> Sure
[20:46] <gouki> And BTW, hi tonyyarusso :)
[20:46] <gouki> LjL: The .html pages you see with the statistics are created by a .c script, called irssistats.
[20:47] <LjL> gouki: yes, i knew that was the case, but i think it would be nice if it were stated, at least as a tribute to the developers of irssistats
[20:47] <tonyyarusso> oh hey gouki
[20:48] <gouki> LjL: It is stated. On the page of every channel statistics
[20:49] <gouki> (scroll to the bottom of the page)
[20:50] <tonyyarusso> what is the URL these days?  (And why can't I find it out easily?)
[20:50] <LjL> uhm ok, still wouldn't mind a mention on the main page, but i guess it's ok anyway
[20:51] <LjL> PriceChild: i'm fine with a cloak
[20:51] <gouki> tonyyarusso: It has a second-level domain now (ubuntuircstats.org)
[20:51] <gouki> I still haven't blogged or told anyone about it, besides talking about it on this channel
[20:51] <tonyyarusso> Would you mind if we did?
[20:52] <gouki> tonyyarusso: No, not at all
[20:52] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[20:52] <LjL> gouki also, can you please give the bot a more meaningful ident than "bot"... "ubuntustats" probably doesn't fit, but "ustats" or something
[20:53] <tonyyarusso> !ircstats is <reply> Fun statistics about some Ubuntu IRC channels are available at http://www.ubuntuircstats.org/.  LoCo team leaders can also request to have their channel stats collected.
[20:53] <ubotu> I'll remember that, tonyyarusso
[20:54] <tonyyarusso> gouki: do you list the LoCo ones elsewhere, or has noone asked?
[20:54] <LjL> !logs
[20:54] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[20:55] <LjL> !no logs is <reply> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[20:55] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[20:55] <LjL> !no ircstats is <reply> Fun statistics about some Ubuntu IRC channels are available at http://www.ubuntuircstats.org/ - LoCo team leaders can also request to have their channel stats collected.
[20:55] <LjL> tonyyarusso: better to avoid periods after URLs
[20:55] <tonyyarusso> (Note: !stats is taken by an internal Supybot function.)
[20:56] <LjL> (or any punctuation without a space ftm)
[20:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[20:56] <tonyyarusso> LjL: True.
[20:56] <LjL> tonyyarusso, it should work anyway
[20:56] <LjL> !stats is <alias> ircstats
[20:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[20:56] <LjL> !stats
[20:56] <ubotu> Fun statistics about some Ubuntu IRC channels are available at http://www.ubuntuircstats.org/ - LoCo team leaders can also request to have their channel stats collected.
[20:56] <tonyyarusso> LjL: I wasn't going to without checking with Sev* about whether he actually wanted that information available.
[20:57] <gouki> LjL: Working on it. tonyyarusso, no one asked
[20:57] <LjL> tonyyarusso: uh... what information?
[20:57] <tonyyarusso> gouki: Intriguing.  Care to make #ubuntu-us-mn the first then, just for giggles?  Not sure how much that impacts your system resources, so if it's a problem don't, but it could be cool.
[20:58] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, it is from the 50s
[20:58] <tonyyarusso> LjL: 14:48 <ubotu> I have 55 registered users with 30 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 2 admins.
[20:58] <gouki> tonyyarusso: Sure. I'm thinking about going with the first LoCo request. After a few I'll have to start ignoring request, cause otherwise, the VPS just won't be able to take it.
[20:58] <somerville32> Is the bot in #xubuntu, -devel, and -ofttopic ?
[20:59] <LjL> !forget stats
[20:59] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[20:59] <gouki> somerville32: Not on -offtopic
[20:59] <LjL> somerville32: it is
[20:59] <LjL> ah well not on x-offtopic no
[21:00] <tonyyarusso> gouki: where we you running the bot before btw?  Just a home machine?  I'd love to, but I can't seem to find someone easily that will allow IRC bots.  (Would prefer if I could make the shell account part free, since I am paying for web hosting now.)
[21:00] <gouki> tonyyarusso: VPSLink.com
[21:00] <LjL> tonyyarusso: free shell account allowing bots? hardly.
[21:00] <tonyyarusso> gouki: probably should add that one too, since the other two offtopics are included
[21:01] <gouki> tonyyarusso: Done
[21:02] <gouki> tonyyarusso: VPSLink.com is not expensive, and it's kinda cool for this kind of stuff
[21:03] <somerville32> How often do the pages get updated?
[21:03] <gouki> somerville32: I'm going to configure cron to run irssistats every 5 minutes
[21:03] <somerville32> Can you run it now? :D
[21:03] <gouki> Generating all the .html from the different channels
[21:03] <gouki> somerville32: Heheh. Sure
[21:03] <ompaul> gouki, given the sheer numbers 10 mins is more like sane
[21:04] <ompaul> gouki, so it gets to rest
[21:04] <ompaul> :)
[21:04] <gouki> somerville32: Done
[21:04] <gouki> ompaul: yeah, probably not a bad idea :)
[21:04] <tonyyarusso> gouki: what timezone is the server in?
[21:04] <gouki> tonyyarusso: Don't know. I configured it to UTC
[21:05] <tonyyarusso> gouki: ah, that's what I really meant anyway
[21:06] <gouki> :)
[21:07] <gouki> guys, just so I can organize irssistats conf file, do you think all the main ubuntu channels are there?
[21:07]  * tonyyarusso goes to look in his logs directory
[21:11] <tonyyarusso> gouki: +1 and -locoteams are the other potentially interesting ones I can think of.
[21:13] <gouki> tonyyarusso: Good idea! I'll take care of it.
[21:14] <Jack_Sparrow> ck omar..
[21:16] <gouki> GTG. I'll come back after dinner and hopefully finish everything up.
[22:02] <PriceChild> Pelo has been removed from #ubuntu access by his request.
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> Okay.
[22:03] <somerville32> PriceChild, Do you need to update the factoid?
[22:03] <PriceChild> somerville32, no.
[22:09] <PriceChild> !no ops-#ubuntu-us is <reply> Help! nixternal. pleia2. atoponce. etank. Zelut or jono!
[22:09] <ubotu> I'll remember that PriceChild
[22:10] <LjL> uhm i knew that they used . rather than , for *decimal numbers* in the US
[22:10] <LjL> but i didn't think that applied to lists of ops as well
[22:12] <ompaul> hahahaha
[22:12]  * ompaul buys LjL a nice tea
[22:13] <ikonia> s/nice/ice
[22:13] <ikonia> that is the usa style tea
[22:13] <PriceChild> LjL, whoops... my right hand too far right
[22:13] <PriceChild> !no ops-#ubuntu-us is <reply> Help! nixternal, pleia2, atoponce, etank, Zelut or jono!
[22:13] <ubotu> I'll remember that PriceChild
[22:14] <ompaul> some data standards would say that there should be no commas in the list
[22:14] <ompaul> others would want one for each
[22:15] <LjL> no thanks, i'd rather have nice but not ice
[22:15] <LjL> it's already cold enough
[22:15] <LjL> drop table ompaul;
[22:16] <ompaul> haha
[22:16] <ompaul> oooch my toe
[22:16] <tonyyarusso> Regardless, I really hate having commas between the rest, but not after Zelut.
[22:17] <LjL> tonyyarusso: heretic.
[22:17] <tonyyarusso> LjL: It introduces grouping ambiguity in multi-word list elements that include joining words.
[22:17] <PriceChild> well you're American :P
[22:17] <PriceChild> We english has proper grammer.
[22:18] <PriceChild> and spelling
[22:19] <PriceChild> #ubuntu is looking odd..
[22:20] <LjL> tonyyarusso: (to (really remove) ambiguity) ((you would (have to)) use (a ((much more) sophisticated) (parenthesizing system)))
[22:20] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Agreed.
[22:20]  * tonyyarusso sometimes actually does that
[22:20] <LjL> PriceChild: thank you for telling us everything's normal
[22:20] <LjL> mc44 does that too
[22:20] <PriceChild> Well <AcidBurn>, then <linuxfree> and a few other joins...
[22:21] <tonyyarusso> LjL: But that's no excuse for unnecessarily adding a layer of confusion that has no other reason to be there than that you felt like it.
[22:22] <LjL> tonyyarusso: and perhaps the fact that "," is a separator and "or" is also a separator, so redundant separators don't make much sense. also the somewhat vestigial, but still not negligible, fact that a comma is/was used to indicate a pause in speech, pause which is not pronounced (at least by me) between the last two elements of a list separated by "and" or "or".
[22:24] <tonyyarusso> LjL: really?  I totally put a pause there.
[22:25] <LjL> tonyyarusso: well perhaps that might explain why americans tend to like the comma there.
[22:27] <somerville32> It is optional but I generally put it
[22:28] <somerville32> One, two, three, and four.
[22:42] <PriceChild> kbrooks, wols, can I help you?
[22:43] <nalioth> upgrading to gutsy, brb
[22:55] <ompaul> mneptok, I see RMS and TDR are having fistycuffs on a mailing list near openbsd
[23:14] <tomaw> ompaul: oh?
[23:14] <PriceChild> kbrooks, wols, can I help you?
[23:14] <ompaul> mneptok,  tomaw, it is painful: http://www.nabble.com/Real-men-don%27t-attack-straw-men-tt14256924r0.html
[23:15] <kbrooks> PriceChild, if you dont want me here i'll go
[23:16] <kbrooks> PriceChild?
[23:18] <ardchoille> Back in a bit. Time to image my partitions.


[00:37] <Guest14> is it possible to upgrade from kubuntu 21 to 22 from the OS?
 3A5X
 Mnst
 Hello guys. This is my first time using KDE and i really like it. So how can i backup my panels configuration?
[04:54] <user|95> What's the problem in my partition on dual boot, installation is succeded but grub don't find L'EFI
[05:03] <skramer_> mmikowski: Local login on that machine does work...
[05:04] <mmikowski> skramer_: hmmm, that is odd. So I certainly have seen that issue before, typically when NFS is having difficulty mounting drives because of a network connection or similar.
[05:06] <mmikowski> skramer_: is the remote connection using a different user? The fact you can see processes but not list the file system certainly implies there is some sort of FS hang involved. If there are network drives, you might want to disable them and see if the behavior is the same.
[05:08] <mmikowski> (of course, testing with the same user would be critical too). If you do have network drives there, it could be the remote connection is interfering with the network drive protocol somehow.
[05:10] <mmikowski> or - could be remote connection limitations like ssh rules associated with permissions. Definitely you will want to tail syslog or similar to see what kind of errors pop up during connection. That would be my first step honestly; then I'd try to use the remote connection and see what happens.
 Hello there guys, i wanted some help regarding partitions in my Kubuntu
 um i cant send screenshots until 10pm something, how can i state my problem then?
[05:37] <skramer_> mmikowski: remote is using the same user as local, but you are right: I should tail syslog first (didn't think about it yet, shame on me)
[07:03] <mmikowski> cool skramer_. Best of luck. I must call it a night!
[08:02] <weedmic> I have some *.md documents which I try to open in firefox, file open index.md, but it always opens in okular.  how do I fix that?
[08:16] <mparillo> Have you tried System Settings > Applications > File Associations > text > markdown
[08:17] <weedmic> I shall atm
[08:18] <weedmic> okular was listed twice, no firefox, testing - ty
[08:19] <weedmic> om - it opens about 30 tabs a second - must be okular on purpose :o
[08:22] <weedmic> needs an extension, unsure which - putting okular back and figuring out later.
[10:57] <x__> rc.freenode.net
 @endo_kenji you have Asus Motherboard I presume?
 Asus board? (re @endo_kenji: 0.201849] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object [\ADBG], AE ALREADY EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
 0.2018611 ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog (202203 31/psobject-220)
 [ 0.212726] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve symbol [SB.PC00.I2C1.T PL11, AE NOT FOUND (20220331/dswload2-162) 0.212730] ACPI Error: AE_NOT_FOUND, During name lookup/catalog (20220331/ps
 object-220)
 [ 1.851278] pcieport 0000:00:1c.0: pciehp: Cannot get irq -1 for the hotplug
 controller
 Gigabyte (re @ksenchy: @endo_kenji you have Asus Motherboard I presume?)
[14:54] <user|48> Hi, I have software updates that are not updating.  Once I hit update all, it asked permission to remove packages for the update, then is asks for a restart to finish the update.  Upon reboot the updates are not installed.
[14:56] <alkisg> user|48: sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade --yes
[14:56] <alkisg> If that fails, send us the output
[14:56] <user|48> this is the message I get when I reboot,....new ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings package post-removal script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[15:05] <user|48> after trying, this is the output I received
[15:06] <alkisg> user|48: put ALL of the terminal output in a pastebin, and send us the link
[15:06] <alkisg> !paste
[15:06] <alkisg> (or better yet, paste.debian.net)
[15:12] <user|48> I dont know how to send it to you
[15:13] <user|48> paste.debian.net/1283627
[15:15] <alkisg> user|48: output of this? apt policy libpam-modules libpam-modules-bin | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:20] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283631
[15:23] <alkisg> user|48: ok, now run: sudo apt --fix-broken install
[15:23] <alkisg> Pastebin what it says, BEFORE pressing "yes" to continue
[15:27] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283633
[15:29] <alkisg> user|48: OK, press y; if it fails, pastebin the whole terminal output once more
[15:31] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283635
[15:33] <alkisg> user|48: what's the output of this command?
[15:33] <alkisg> for f in /etc/grub.d/* /etc/default/grub /etc/default/grub.d/*; do test -f "$f" && sh -n "$f"; done
[15:38] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283637
[15:38] <alkisg> user|48: try this: sudo rm /etc/grub.d/README.dpkg-new
[15:39] <alkisg> Then again: sudo apt --fix-broken install
[15:40] <user|48> ok
[15:41] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283640
[15:42] <user|48> Y to continue? correct?
[15:42] <alkisg> Press y there
[15:42] <alkisg> Yes
[15:44] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283641
[15:46] <alkisg> user|48: there's a syntax error in one of your configuration files but we can't locate which one
[15:47] <alkisg> Would you like help for this over terminal sharing, to finish it sooner?
[15:47] <user|48> sure if that's easier
[15:48] <alkisg> Yeah it'll save a lot o ftime
[15:48] <user|48> ok, let's do it
[15:48] <alkisg> Run this: sudo apt install -y epoptes-client
[15:48] <alkisg> AFAIK this will install the necessary program, even though in the end it'll report failure due to the apt issues you already have
[15:48] <alkisg> So after it's installed, run:   /usr/share/epoptes-client/share-terminal <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:49] <alkisg> That will share your terminal with me; you'll be seeing what I'll be typing
[15:49] <user|48> ok
[15:50] <user|48> did that work?
[15:50] <alkisg> No
[15:50] <alkisg> Can you pastebin the whole terminal output once more?
 Ok, I think this needs to be fixed by manufacturer, gigabyte in your case. You could probably fix it, but it's dangerous 🙄 (re @endo_kenji: Gigabyte)
 https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/amd-600-series/strix-x670e-f-gaming-wifi-acpi-bios-error/m-p/934353/emcs_t/S2h8ZW1haWx8ZGlnZXN0X25vdGlmaWNhdGlvbnxMSVpZVlpPTzVGSUw4RHwtMXxPVEhFUlN8aEs#M3354
[15:52] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283642
[15:52] <alkisg> user|48: meh, you can't install any packages until the problem is resolved
[15:52] <alkisg> user|48: do you have a kubuntu live usb stick?
[15:53] <user|48> no
[15:54] <alkisg> user|48: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio* | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:54] <alkisg> Type that, it'll show a URL, paste the URL here. It's a quicker way to pastebin stuff
 Just went and switched to fedora :') (re @ksenchy: Ok, I think this needs to be fixed by manufacturer, gigabyte in your case. You could probably fix it, but it's dangerous 🙄)
 Problem solved? 😂
[15:58] <user|48> so we are not able to go further?
 I lost my nerves trying to get cuda working in fedora 😩
[15:59] <alkisg> user|48: yes we are able, see my last instruction above
[16:00] <alkisg> user|48:   ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio* | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:00] <user|48> is that a website or do I type that in?
[16:01] <alkisg> user|48: you type all of that in your terminal and you tell us the output
[16:01] <user|48> owner@owner-Satellite-L75-C:~$ ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio* | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:01] <user|48> https://termbin.com/0v2c
[16:01] <user|48> owner@owner-Satellite-L75-C:~$
[16:02] <alkisg> user|48: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings.postinst | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:05] <alkisg> user|48: that's the next command that we need ^
[16:06] <user|48> owner@owner-Satellite-L75-C:~$ cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings.postinst | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:06] <user|48> https://termbin.com/rnhl
[16:06] <user|48> owner@owner-Satellite-L75-C:~$
[16:07] <alkisg> OK, final one, copy/paste it or type it correctly:
[16:07] <alkisg> sudo sed 's/set -e/exit 0/' -i /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings.postinst
[16:07] <alkisg> Then do this and it should now work: sudo apt --fix-broken install
[16:12] <user|48> It asked me for my password but then it didnt do anything.
[16:12] <alkisg> user|48: it did something but it didn't show anything on the terminal. That's fine.
[16:12] <user|48> oh wait, I forgot the last command
[16:13] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283645
[16:16] <alkisg> user|48: the new package installed a new broken file :D
[16:16] <alkisg> Try the last two commands one more time
[16:16] <alkisg> sudo sed 's/set -e/exit 0/' -i /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings.postinst
[16:16] <alkisg> sudo apt --fix-broken install
[16:19] <alkisg> The terminal sharing program should have been preinstalled in Ubuntu, to help technicians quickly solve such problems :D
[16:20] <user|48> That would have been very good for sure.
[16:20] <user|48> I got one more error
[16:20] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283646
[16:24] <alkisg> user|48: ls -l /etc/grub.d | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:25] <user|48> owner@owner-Satellite-L75-C:~$ ls -l /etc/grub.d | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:25] <user|48> https://termbin.com/ssrp
[16:25] <user|48> owner@owner-Satellite-L75-C:~$
[16:26] <alkisg> user|48: careful while typing these ones:
[16:26] <alkisg> sudo rm /etc/grub.d/*.dpkg-new
[16:26] <alkisg> sudo rm /etc/grub.d/*.lowlatency
[16:27] <alkisg> And then re-try: sudo apt --fix-broken install
[16:29] <user|48> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:29] <user|48>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings_<IP_ADDRESS>_all.deb
[16:29] <user|48> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:29] <user|48> owner@owner-Satellite-L75-C:~$
[16:29] <user|48> I can send the whole output if you would like but thats the end of it
[16:35] <alkisg> Is it the same error, "syntax error"?
[16:36] <user|48> Syntax error at line 163
[16:36] <user|48> Syntax errors are detected in generated GRUB config file.
[16:37] <user|48> yes looks like that was the same one
[16:37] <alkisg> Eh. Let's try something else :)
[16:37] <alkisg> wget https://download.anydesk.com/linux/anydesk_6.2.1-1_amd64.deb
[16:37] <alkisg> sudo dpkg -i ./anydesk*.deb
[16:38] <alkisg> If this gets you a running anydesk, we'll solve it over anydesk :)
[16:38] <user|48> ok
[16:40] <user|48> That is not working ...
[16:41] <alkisg> Pastebin the whole output
[16:41] <user|48> from the last command we tried?
[16:41] <alkisg> From wget and below
[16:43] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283648
[16:43] <alkisg> You missed a command
[16:43] <alkisg> wget https://download.anydesk.com/linux/anydesk_6.2.1-1_amd64.deb
[16:43] <alkisg> sudo dpkg -i ./anydesk*.deb
[16:46] <user|48> https://paste.debian.net/1283649
[16:47] <alkisg> wget http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gtkglext/libgtkglext1_1.2.0-11_amd64.deb
[16:47] <alkisg> sudo dpkg -i ./lib*.deb
[16:48] <user|48> I think that worked
[16:48] <alkisg> OK now do again:
[16:48] <alkisg> sudo dpkg -i ./anydesk*.deb
[16:48] <alkisg> Then you should be able to run anydesk
[16:49] <user|48> Yes, I have it open!
[16:50] <alkisg> OK give me the number
[16:50] <user|48> 1 948 406 559
[16:55] <alkisg> user|48: do not reboot before we fix it, as we had to move aside update-grub to get past the issue
[16:55] <user|48> ok
[17:05] <alkisg> user|48: so, the problem is that the /etc/grub.d/09-lowlatency script, shipped by ubuntu studio, is causing a grub.cfg syntax error AFTER the cfg gets generated
[17:05] <alkisg> To work around the issue I move that file to /root. So now your system will work fine but you won't see the lowlatency kernels
[17:05] <alkisg> But that's OK since you're not using them anyway; you're using the -oem kernel
[17:06] <user|48> ok
[17:06] <user|48> thank you so much!!
[17:06] <alkisg> You're welcome. I also issued the updates, you've a lot of updates in your queue :)
[17:06] <alkisg> (closed anydesk)
[17:06] <user|48> Great, so I should be all set then?
[17:06] <alkisg> Yes
[17:07] <user|48> I can't thank you enough.  I really appreciate all your time and your patience!!
[17:07] <alkisg> And you have both anydesk and epoptes-client in case you need remote support ever again :D
[17:07] <user|48> Thats Awesome!!
[17:07] <alkisg> I was writing some scripts in the meantime, np ;)
[17:07] <user|48> I appreciate it very much
[17:08] <user|48> All because I was trying to update today. I am happy I found your help.
[17:29] <lucidblu> Hello
[20:10] <mparillo> I use System Settings > Display Configuration and set scale to 150%
[21:56] <mmikowski> Use 100% display scale. Force font dpi to 96. Logout and back in. Works great here :)


[07:07] <popey> Morning
[07:08] <vibhav> morning
[07:11] <Azelphur> pfft morning, havn't slept yet.
[07:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:21]  * popey is at his mums house, waiting for some pikeys to come and tarmac the drive, so I can tell them to get lost
[07:29] <Azelphur> popey: haha, did your mum get half scammed?
[07:30] <mattt> morning
[07:32] <popey> yes
[07:33] <Azelphur> poor mum :(
[08:33] <bigcalm> popey: don't upgrade your mum's machine while you're there
[08:33] <popey> ☺
[08:33] <popey> tempted ☺
[08:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:35] <bigcalm> I'm still unsure what to do with my parents' viglen
[08:36] <bigcalm> Replace it with a revo maybe
[08:36] <daubers> Morning
[08:36] <bittin> Morning
[08:37] <bittin> updating my PC to 11.10
[08:38] <popey> retro
[08:38] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:39] <bittin> need to find a good way of using Gnome instead of Unity when done
[08:39] <bigcalm> Anybody would think that you wanted to use a stable OS
[08:39] <bittin> and hope bugs with my network card is fixed
[08:39] <bittin> so i don't have modprobe cool commands to get the wlan to work :D
[08:52] <christel> morning
[08:53] <bittin> morning christel
[08:58] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:59] <bigcalm> Hullo
[09:02] <czajkowski> morning
[09:04] <bittin> morning czajkowski
[09:06] <bigcalm> Hello awakening peeps
[09:10]  * mattt just had full english, and now needs nap
[09:12] <popey> hehe
[09:12] <popey> egg and bacon sarnie here
[09:12] <bigcalm> That's what you get for visiting your mum?
[09:13] <bigcalm> I should visit my parents more frequently
[09:17] <popey> yup
[09:18] <daubers> What is it with the channel and making people want bacon?
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning someone mention bacon?
[09:18] <daubers> #ubuntu-uk - Bacon a prerequisite
[09:22] <JamesTait> Happy Friday - wait, what, again? Already? ;)
[09:24] <bigcalm> Happy poptarts and cuppa tea
[09:25] <bittin> now my computer is installing that tirrible Unity
[09:25] <bittin> thinking of trying out gnome 3
[09:25] <bittin> instead
[09:27] <gordonjcp> I found gnome 3 a lot harder to use than unity
[09:29] <bittin> or maybe i should set it up as my old PC and stick with old shiny Openbox
[09:52] <bittin> :)
[09:52] <bittin> now iam on 11.10
[09:54] <popey> slightly less retro \o/
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> must. stop. listening. to. 80s music. on. youtube...
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Found myself tripping over Psychadelic Furs, Echo & The Bunnymen, Killing Joke, Talking Heads...
[09:57] <bittin> seems i can use it without being sad with Gnome 3
[10:03] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: nice
[10:04] <BigRedS> We were having a '90s day earlier, but I think that's been vetoed since
[10:06] <bittin> now i got Gnome 3 and gfx drivers aswell :)
[10:06] <bittin> and a proper irc client
[10:10] <czajkowski> irssi++
[10:10] <directhex> 80s? you youngsters. i'm listening to 30's
[10:14]  * imexil is currently upgrading to beta ... why on earth ETA 3 hours when a fresh install takes 15 min
[10:15] <imexil> and it's not the download speed that's in the way: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1822877267.png :-D
[10:16] <directhex> imexil, because a fresh install works by copying the cd's disk image to a hard drive, which is a relatively cheap operation computationally, whereas an upgrade needs to call dpkg on 2500 or so packages, where each operation is io and cpu intensive
[10:16] <directhex> a debian-installer based "alternative" fresh install is similarly slow
[10:16] <imexil> :-/
[10:17] <directhex> you asked, i answered!
[10:17] <directhex> TEAMWORK!¬
[10:19] <daubers> \o/
[10:19]  * BigRedS still doesn't understand why apt can't download while dpkg is installing
[10:20] <BigRedS> Well, no, I can see why it works like that because I've written things like that. I just wish it started installing the first package while it downloaded the second
[10:20] <popey> what if the internet connection breaks?
[10:20] <popey> you are left with half upgraded system
[10:21] <daubers> popey: btrfs to the rescue \o/
[10:21] <BigRedS> I was more thinking when you do apt-get install <loads of things>, but yeah. I suppose slow enough that things stay sane would be good, but a fair whack of work to do
[10:22] <BigRedS> Oh, no, this is definitely still '90s :)
[10:23] <daubers> BigRedS: Hit the B*witched yet?
[10:24] <BigRedS> daubers: that's on the standard office playlist
[10:24] <BigRedS> unless it's been taken off again...
[10:24] <daubers> heh
[10:24] <BigRedS> we've a shared spotify playlist which I keep throwing 90s pop at
[10:24] <BigRedS> and it keeps getting removed
[10:28] <popey> ☹  spotify
[10:28] <s-fox> Heil
[10:28] <s-fox> :)
[10:28] <popey> Greetings.
[10:29]  * gord grumbles at spotify for not working yet everyone else saying its sooo good
[10:29] <s-fox> Hey popey , how is the  upgrade going?
[10:29] <popey> just started
[10:29] <popey> 15 mins to download 2346 packages
[10:29] <s-fox> What is she running at the minute?
[10:30] <popey> Acer Aspire Revo, Atom CPU, nVidia ION GPU, 2GB RAM, 160GB hard disk
[10:31] <gord> don't run the open source drivers on that ion chip, nasty texture leak will bite you
[10:32] <gord> although maybe its been fixed in 12.04, i doubt it
[10:33] <popey> yeah, nvidia binary all the way
[10:34] <directhex> FREEDOM HATERS
[10:35] <popey> Yes?
[10:35] <popey> But it's okay now, nVidia are joining the Linux Foundation, so that's fine.
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[10:39] <bigcalm> Freedom confusers!
[10:39]  * MartijnVdS bought a Sempron 145 + Asus barebone this week.. with integrated "Radeon 3000", which supports Unity 3d \o/
[10:40]  * popey steals MartijnVdS eyes
[10:40] <popey> ಠ_ಠ
[10:40] <popey> \o/
[10:40] <popey> set it so  O _ O does ಠ_ಠ
[10:40]  * MartijnVdS has /lod for that
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> ʘ‿ʘ
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> ๏_๏
[10:43] <popey> ooo you bugger
[10:44] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[10:44] <popey> \o/
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[10:44] <bittin> o_O
[10:44] <seeker> X_x
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> ๏_ʘ
[10:45] <jpds> -.-
[10:45] <bigcalm> A Clockwork Orange
[10:45] <bittin> *_*
[10:45] <seeker> T_T
[10:45] <bittin> bigcalm: downloaded that and watched with a friend like 2-3weeks ago
[10:45] <czajkowski> popey: http://www.businessandleadership.com/fs/img/news/200907/rs-426x288/odlums.jpg
[10:46] <popey> hah
[10:47] <gord> _
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> gord: are those Ubuntu logos?
[10:47] <popey> hah, they are
[10:47] <gord> looks better in a non monospace ubuntu font ;)
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> ♥‿♥
[10:48] <bittin> :D
[10:48]  * czajkowski stabs popey
[10:48] <bittin> this is why i like this channel
[10:48] <directhex> rock 'n' roll! \m/(^_^)\m/
[10:49] <bittin> backing up my phone to change rom
[10:49] <directhex> i hate freedom so now i run windows phone 7
[10:50] <Pheetard> hi all
[10:51] <Pheetard> i've been meaning to start spending time on irc when i DON'T have a tech support issue...but today is not that day.
[10:52] <DJones> Morning all
[10:52] <bittin> Hello Pheetard and DJones
[10:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:55] <s-fox> Hello
[10:55] <brobostigon> hello s-fox
[10:56] <s-fox> How're you doing?
[10:57] <brobostigon> s-fox: not bad, sniffly nose, otherwise fine, and you?
[10:57] <Pheetard> so as far as i can figure out, via google and bugtrackers, i seem to have a laptop (specifically the GPU, although a LONG conversation on bugtracker seemed to say it was a BIOS or kernel issue)that just doesn't get along with oneiric
[10:57] <s-fox> I am glad it is friday brobostigon , it has been a long week :)
[10:57] <popey> Pheetard: what gpu?
[10:57] <brobostigon> s-fox: :)
[10:59] <Pheetard> it's an emachines d620, the GPU is a radeon X1250 (which i think makes it an r600 or r690, i've been banging my head against this for so long now that strings of numbers are starting to lose their meaning)
[11:01] <Pheetard> i read over a thing on bugtracker about this exact issue, and they figured it out (through some sort of magic involving bisecting kernel builds) to be an issue with the laptop's BIOS and irq's
[11:01] <Pheetard> which has been fixed upstream in kernel 3.2
[11:03] <s-fox> My basement cat is probably the laziest thing ever - http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6150/4f59e36cec8d83059200000.jpg
[11:04] <popey> awwwww
[11:04] <popey> cute
[11:04] <Pheetard> so i got the 3.2 kernel, and installed the latest gallium3d drivers from the xorg-edgers ppa (i now realise that being right on the bleeding edge of graphics driver software is not how you get gaming performance out of wine, and i'm in the process of un-doing all the ppa faffing about i've done)
[11:04] <s-fox> popey,  I got to sleep in too this morning, the boss allowed it :)
[11:05] <popey> ☺
[11:05] <s-fox> lol
[11:05] <s-fox> Or rather wasn't up at 6am to wake me up. haha
[11:11] <Pheetard> basically, i've had two issues with playing games since switching back to ubuntu. firstly, i generally get really terrible DRI performance, natively (which the gallium ppa drivers (or atleast SOME ppa gallium drivers, it might not have been the xorg-edgers ones) had actually solved until i got cocky and grabbed the very latest updates that came out this morning) and secondly, wine seems to have some sort of problem with mouse cursors in di
[11:11] <Pheetard> rectX applications
[11:14] <Pheetard> firstly, to get me back to "clean" oneiric, what i need to do is remove all the PPA lines from /etc/apt/sources.list, then install and run ppa-purge, is that right?
[11:20] <popey> no Pheetard
[11:21] <Pheetard> oh, i see, i need the ppa enabled to purge its packages. my mistake.
[11:21] <popey> do ppa-purge first
[11:21] <Pheetard> ppa-purge xorg-edgers running now
[11:28] <Pheetard> i think what really freaks me out about oneiric (having been away using windows since win7 went public beta, around Maverick or Natty)  is how little use anything i remember is. synaptic's not installed by default, nor is aptitude, and i was always encouraged, back when i flitted between debian and ubuntu from week to week, to always prefer aptitude over apt-get (for reasons that were never made clear, just the grown-ups in #ubuntu and #de
[11:28] <Pheetard> bian insisted t was better somehow.
[11:29] <directhex> aptitude has a better dependency resolver, and tracks orphans
[11:29] <Pheetard> i see
[11:30] <BigRedS> where, IME, "better" = "drunk"
[11:31] <Pheetard> but yeah, my point is, not to sound like a slackware user or anything, it sort of worries me that you don't need to learn any linux to run linux anymore.
[11:33] <BigRedS> No, but you still *can*
[11:33] <BigRedS> which is enough of a compromise for me :)
[11:34] <Pheetard> yeah, i don't really mind it being made easier, i just need to remember not to take any 2-3 year breaks, because apparently everything gets replaced by much easier ways of doing things while i'm not looking.
[11:34] <BigRedS> haha
[11:35] <BigRedS> except grub2
[11:35] <BigRedS> that was invented to confuse you
[11:38] <Pheetard> i remember spending 3 days trawling  man pages and package repos trying to figure out how to mount an iso as a virtual drive, only to have my little brother come along and google "linux equivalent of daemon-tools" and find a simple explanation and GTK gui for loopback mounting. i feel like new users will miss out on the frustrating learning curve.
[11:40] <Pheetard> the only reason i tried linux in the first place was because my hard drive died, and i still wanted to have a computer while i saved up my pocket money for a new one.
[11:43] <Pheetard> ubuntu didn't have a liveCD at the time, this was 2003, i think. the closest thing was Knoppix, which was cool and all, but i couldn't make it do anything exciting, so i switched to Dyne:Bolic, not realising that a from-the-ground-up distro with no discernable package manager or release schedule was basically choosing 'hard mode'
[11:45] <directhex> ubuntu didn't exist in 2003
[11:45] <directhex> first release was 4.10
[11:47] <Pheetard> aw, pish. "ppa-purge xorg-edgers" has killed my virtualbox modules for 3.2 =( oh, well, i guess i won't be playing with backtrack or testing windows 8 for the next couple of weeks.
[11:48] <Laney> does aptitude know about multiarch yet?
[11:49] <gord> would be so cool if i could throttle applications network usage in a similar fashion to controlling the volume of applications in pulse
[11:49] <gord> someone go make that ;)
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> gord: android can do that already I think
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> tc + iptables/mark would do the job
[11:50] <gord> i really don't care on android
[11:55] <bigcalm> Just booked the w/c 16th July as holiday! Means we can relax after the RAT :)
[11:57] <BigRedS> the whole week?
[11:58] <bigcalm> The whole week
[11:58] <bigcalm> Doesn't mean that we'll be on the RAT for the whole week
[12:02] <Laney> means the hangover will last so
[12:04] <bigcalm> I should book my RAT tickets
[12:04] <bigcalm> Where's my credit card?
[12:04] <directhex> who's an apple user in here, and wants to buy an itunes £15 credit card we are never going to use?
[12:08] <Pheetard> it just occurred to me that ppa-purge won't have gotten rid of the drm kernel modules i built from git a couple of hours ago.
[12:08] <Pheetard> i hope it wasn't them that killed my rendering performance
[12:17] <andylockran> hey all
[12:20]  * TheOpenSourcerer has also booked his ticket for the RAT.
[12:23] <popey> yay
[12:25]  * TheOpenSourcerer has had an expensive morning booking stuff on-line...
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Posh Hotel in Stratford. Tickets to the RSC, Real Ale Train :-)
[12:26]  * popey has had a morning of telling pikeys to gtfo our drive
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: more than once?!
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - there was a tweet the other day about a dodgy van and pikeys.
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Tarmac your drive love?"
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> Whoa:
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> > Spoke to Element14 re RaspberryPi order. They are expecting stock mid June/July. LOL. APAC region has 55,000 backorders.
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> https://twitter.com/#!/rhoaste/status/178094751613071360
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> and that's just apac
[12:37] <popey> and thats just farnell
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> And that, yes
[13:57] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS, 55,000...whoah, nice work
[14:00] <mungojerry> they could have avoided the mistakes if they had manufactured in the UK..
[14:01] <bigcalm> Not at the price they wanted
[14:03] <mungojerry> wasn't it a combination of price+size of order+speed?
[14:03] <mungojerry> and tax issues
[14:03] <bigcalm> Money
[14:03] <mungojerry> but now delays have been introduced.
[14:03] <bigcalm>  :)
[14:10] <gord> its easy to play captain hindsight ;)
[14:16] <bigcalm> In hindsight, I shouldn't have stayed so late at the LUG meeting on Wednesday. Yesterday evening I slept from 8.30pm
[15:32] <s-fox> I just got an abiword file emailed to me from someone who is a microsoft windows xp  user :-)
[15:32] <gordonjcp> s-fox: heh
[15:33] <gordonjcp> that's, uhm
[15:33] <gordonjcp> entertainingly baroque ;-)
[15:33] <s-fox> Okay, now I am concerned... it is a cv. Nothing like making it easy for employers...
[15:34] <s-fox> *shrug*
[15:39] <imexil> So now I'm fresh on 12.04 I wonder if one can switch off the sticky behaviour on a multi screen setup when moving from one screen to the next one.
[15:50] <mattt> wewt, friday!@
[15:59] <ali1234> imexil: you can turn it right down to zero
[15:59] <ali1234> with CCSM
[16:00]  * imexil looks
[16:00] <imexil> in which of the plugins would I find the setting?
[16:00] <ali1234> unity
[16:00] <ali1234> experimental tab
[16:01] <ali1234> launcher reveal edge responsiveness 5
[16:01] <ali1234> launcher reveal pressure 1
[16:01] <ali1234> launcher edge stop overcome pressure 3
[16:01] <ali1234> pressure decay rate 1
[16:01] <ali1234> edge stop velocity 10
[16:01] <ali1234> then it won't be anywhere near as annoying
[16:02] <imexil> thanks ali1234
[16:02] <imexil> \o/
[16:02] <ali1234> while you;re there, you can also turn of hud
[16:02] <ali1234> key to show hud -> disabled
[16:03] <ali1234> that's on behaviour tab
[16:03] <ali1234> you can also disable windows key from doing anything as well
[16:03]  * imexil wonders what a hud is
[16:03] <popey> tap alt
[16:03] <popey> its that
[16:03] <ali1234> it's that horrible thing where you use drop down menus by doing a global text search
[16:04]  * popey covers gords ears
[16:04] <popey> er, eyes
[16:04] <ali1234> so i recommend also "key to show launcher" -> disabled
[16:04] <imexil> ali1234: I get the feeling you like to deactivate almost everything of unity ;)
[16:04] <ali1234> then go into desktop wall plugin, bindings, and set the workspace switcher back to ctrl-alt
[16:05] <imexil> already done that
[16:05] <ali1234> then go into ezoom plugin and reenable the zoom in/zoom out on windows-button 4/5
[16:05]  * imexil is confused that suddenly there is a <primary> key
[16:05] <ali1234> dunno what that means
[16:06] <imexil> well instead of <control><alt>Left it now says <control><primary><alt>Left
[16:07] <ali1234> never seen that before
[16:07] <ali1234> after last update it got set to shift-windows or something
[16:08] <imexil> unfortunately the alt+ctrl+KP4 or 6 windows resizing by toggeling 1/3 1/2 2/3 bug of 11.10 is still present :(
[16:09] <imexil> i.e., it does only 1/2 and no toggeling
[16:09] <ali1234> another thing i don't user
[16:09] <imexil> Well any way, I'm much less annoyed now by unity thanks to you
[16:16] <popey> the <primary> thing is a GNOME 3 thingf
[16:16] <popey> they renamed the control key
[16:17] <imexil> so how come it got into the unity setup?
[16:17] <imexil> bug?
[16:17] <popey> because unity is based on GNOME 3
[16:17] <popey> so we inherit what they did
[16:17] <popey> good and bad ☺
[16:17] <imexil> of course
[16:19] <imexil> but still this looks very strange: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/151762/Screenshot%20from%202012-03-09%2017%3A18%3A53.png
[16:20] <popey> yup
[16:20] <popey> welcome to the unfinished 12.04
[16:22] <zleap> how do you export impress files as flash, i can't find anything in the help system
[16:22] <bigcalm> popey: so you've pushed your mum onto 12.04?
[16:22] <popey> ya
[16:22] <bigcalm> popey: does she a) know? b) know it isn't stable yet?
[16:23] <popey> meh
[16:24] <bigcalm> Heh, bit of fun :)
[16:26] <imexil> popey: I can live with that :) Was just wondering
[16:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> er zleap on OOo I have an option under export that says "Macromedia Flash (swf)".
[16:44] <zleap> yeah found that
[16:45] <zleap> sorry i asked and was looking at the same time
[16:46]  * gord would join in to #ShowYourDesktopFriday  but it would just reveal how big a nerd he is
[16:47] <bigcalm> Humm
[16:56] <s-fox> I am going for a run. See you all later :)
[17:11]  * bigcalm bandwagon jumps
[17:34]  * daubers passes scorn at O2 UK
[18:58] <jacobw> evening
[18:59] <brobostigon> evenuing jacobw
[18:59] <jacobw> hey :)
[18:59] <jacobw> how's going?
[19:01] <brobostigon> jacobw: not bad, various aches and pains, otherwise not bad. and you?
[19:02] <jacobw> i'm tired today, too much to do, not enough time
[19:02] <brobostigon> :(
[19:17] <apacheuk> evening everyone
[19:22] <jacobw> hey apacheuk
[19:24] <apacheuk> jacobw: hows it going
[19:25] <jacobw> ok
[19:25] <jacobw> you?
[19:25] <apacheuk> not bad trying new irc client for android, its quite in here tonight
[19:26] <jacobw> yeah, it's quiet
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> Quiescent
[19:29] <jacobw> that's barely a word
[19:51] <Laney> mmm naps
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/JVeS4.jpg
[20:00] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: :-)
[20:03] <jacobw> lol
[21:01] <jacobw> beep
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> beep?
[21:01] <brobostigon> meep
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> woop
[21:01] <brobostigon> weep
[21:02] <jacobw> beep, beep, beep, beeeeeep
[21:02] <jacobw> bbc pips ftw
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: should we call an ambulance?
[21:02] <jacobw> i'd rather you didn't
[21:06] <Laney> mmm carbonara
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> carabinieri?
[21:14] <popey> meep
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/scientifically-yours.html
[21:43] <popey> nice
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> Speaking of "meep" :)
[21:46] <Myrtti> oh my gawd I want a tea mug with a biscuit pocket!
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: You mean biscuit pockets you can hang off the side of a mug?
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> I gave those to my sister for her birthday
[21:51] <AlanBell> http://www.gadgets.co.uk/item/DUNKMUG/Dunk-Mug-with-Biscuit-Holder.html
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ooh
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell, Myrtti: http://www.holycool.net/2011/05/lilli-mini-bag-for-mugs.html
[21:56] <bigcalm> Myrtti: http://sweet-station.com/blog/2011/06/lilli-mini-bags-for-mugs/
[21:56] <bigcalm> Hah, trying to find the right search terms is a pain
[21:57] <bigcalm> Close, but not quite what I was looking for (my mum has something similar put much more plain, and possibly from Lakeland)
[21:57] <bigcalm> But, how about this, Myrtti: http://www.google.com/imgres?start=172&um=1&hl=en&client=ubuntu&sa=N&channel=fs&gl=uk&biw=1293&bih=725&tbm=isch&tbnid=TdKqMf41JPg8LM:&imgrefurl=http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/01/20/24-modern-mugs-and-creative-mug-designs/&docid=XsQrXj61CVhDdM&imgurl=http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/creativemugs09.jpg&w=450&h=392&ei=RHxaT9mDJcSp8QPq3-yTDw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=294&sig=103062356307769766
[21:57] <bigcalm> 535&page=9&tbnh=161&tbnw=185&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:172&tx=131&ty=48
[21:57] <bigcalm> Oh, ffs
[21:57] <bigcalm> http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/01/20/24-modern-mugs-and-creative-mug-designs/, 4th image on the page
[22:00] <Myrtti> ooh ooh, aran cables knitting mug
[22:00] <Myrtti> oh dear.
[22:01] <Myrtti> I want all of them.
[22:12] <Myrtti> is it only me or is the beeb30 page horrible?
[22:12] <Myrtti> with £78 a pop one would have expected a bit better quality tickets
[22:12] <Myrtti> I mean, webpages
[22:16] <dwatkins> toxel is a great site, bigcalm :)