[05:50] <j1mc> hi all
[05:52] <Captainkrtek> hey j1
[05:52] <Captainkrtek> j1mc, ^
[05:53] <Captainkrtek> tab autocomplete fail
[05:53] <j1mc> hi Captainkrtek
[05:53] <Captainkrtek> hola
[05:53] <j1mc> howdy
[05:53] <Captainkrtek> working on anythin?
[05:54] <j1mc> it's almost midnight here, so not rightnow
[05:54] <j1mc> i did some work today, though. nothing too big
[05:57] <Captainkrtek> on what project?
[05:59] <j1mc> docs - i reviewed some pages and reviewed some bugs. there's an email on the list about it.
[05:59] <j1mc> mdke is going to propose a stable release update (SRU) to get some fixes out, and now we're in a 'hard freeze' on the natty branch.
[05:59] <j1mc> that means we're all systems go on the oneiric branch. :)
[06:05] <Captainkrtek> very cool
[06:05] <j1mc> Captainkrtek: where are you from, if you don't mind me asking
[06:05] <Captainkrtek> so the last changes we all made to natty are going to be in an update soon? :)
[06:05] <Captainkrtek> Seattle, WA, USA
[06:06] <j1mc> ah, cool. i have a friend who lives in Ballard (?) I think that's the neighborhood
[06:06] <j1mc> are you in school or working or ...
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> school and working
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> Im a device testing project lead for samsung
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> and a systems administrator
[06:06] <j1mc> ah, ok - cool
[06:06] <Captainkrtek> sys admin part time
[06:07] <Captainkrtek> hope to see my name soon in the changelog :)
[06:10] <j1mc> :)
[06:10] <Captainkrtek> j1mc, where are you located if I may ask?
[06:11] <j1mc> I'm in Chicago
[06:11] <Captainkrtek> ahh cool :)
[08:00] <coalwater> hello
[08:02] <mdke> hi coalwater
[08:02] <coalwater> i need to ask a small something, u guys mentain the wikis right?
[08:03] <mdke> the help wiki, but we might be able to help - go ahead
[08:04] <coalwater> i know it's gonna be silly ,but i wanted to fix a link on an immutable page
[08:04] <coalwater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoinMoin
[08:05] <mdke> ah, we can't change those pages either. They come with the upstream software
[08:06] <coalwater> see, apparently all the links that are linking to moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de were moved to moinmo.in
[08:06] <coalwater> and ok o well lol
[08:06] <coalwater> guess it needs to be changed from the core then right ? lol nvm then
[08:06] <mdke> we would need to upgrade the wiki in order to fix that
[08:06] <mdke> I believe an upgrade is planned though
[08:07] <coalwater> so there isn't any like super wiki user huh :D
[08:07] <mdke> not for these pages, I don't think
[08:07] <mdke> only someone with administrative access to the server could touch them
[08:08] <coalwater> ok, thanks
[21:10] <mdke> evening all
[21:16] <UndiFineD> hello mdke
[21:16] <Rocket2DMn> good afternoon folks
[21:17] <mdke> hey Rocket2DMn
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> hey mdke , did you get my question a couple weeks ago about XSL changes to the docbook builds?
[21:18] <UndiFineD> is there an official full lamp guide ?
[21:18] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I think so but you weren't around when I saw it. What was it again?
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> UndiFineD, there is some stuff in the serverguide, not sure if it covers everything though - https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/lamp-applications.html
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i have some changes to clean up the docbook html build, i wasnt sure if you wanted to have it committed though
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> i have all the validation errors cleaned up except one
[21:19] <UndiFineD> as I tried to get something going: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs/SoD2011
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> ahh summer of documentation :)
[21:20] <Rocket2DMn> yours truly started that
[21:20] <Rocket2DMn> glad to see its still going
[21:20] <UndiFineD> thanks :)
[21:20] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: what are the reasons against committing it?
[21:20] <Rocket2DMn> not much really, i'd like it tested first though
[21:21] <Rocket2DMn> the biggest concern i have was a change to the CSS realting to the search in the header
[21:21] <mdke> ok. I'm not that knowledgeable about html validity issues
[21:21] <Rocket2DMn> we have a <script> and a <noscript> copy of the search stuff - they had the same ID which was an error, so i gave one a new ID
[21:21] <mdke> oh right
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> i just wanted to make sure it worked correcty
[21:22] <UndiFineD> I really like: achecker.ca
[21:22] <mdke> i'm happy for you to commit if it improves things; although if there are xsl changes, then possibly they should also be resolved upstream unless the changes are with our specific code
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> the only error remaining relates to that as well, it complains that <form> element is not allowed there
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, the XSL changes are just for ubuntu-docs wrapper around the docbook-xsl, no upstream changes
[21:23] <mdke> ok, cool
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i can commit it in a few minutes if you want to test it out.  i think i saw that you are planning on pushing a SRU soon
[21:23] <mdke> commit it to oneiric if you think it needs a bit of testing
[21:23] <mdke> I sent a SRU this morning for gnome-user-docs in natty, if that's the same one you are thinking of
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, oneiric is different, that has a completely different build script
[21:24] <mdke> oh, I thought that was the one you were working on
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> im talking ubuntu-docs (g-u-d isnt docbook), and its for natty and earlier
[21:24] <mdke> so it's the docbook stuff you are working on?
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> oneiric has the mallard transformations
[21:24] <mdke> right, also gnome-user-docs in natty
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> yes, docbook only, i can send you the patch to apply to your own checkout if you want to test it befor ei commit
[21:24] <mdke> I'm happy for you to go ahead
[21:25] <Rocket2DMn> ok, standby ill double check the work now and commit it
[21:25] <mdke> what do we do with help.u.com? can we fix the html with sed or should we look at rebuilding?
[21:26] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, you mean the static pages at the top level?
[21:26] <mdke> I mean everything
[21:27] <Rocket2DMn> that's what this is for, so we would be better off pushing a new build once the changes are in the correct stable branches
[21:27] <Rocket2DMn> trying to use sed on that would be way too much work i think
[21:28] <Rocket2DMn> probably unreliable too
[21:28] <mdke> ok, that's what I figured but I wasn't sure how bad things were ;)
[21:29] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, the XSL is run on every page, so the problem affects all of them
[21:30] <Rocket2DMn> the top level index page is not correct either, it may be easier to copy over the actual content of the page into an index.html that was correctly generated
[21:30] <mdke> sure, but it depends on the type of problem. But I've got the idea
[21:30] <Rocket2DMn> (there are a couple of other static pages at the top level too i think)
[21:30] <j1mc> hi all
[21:30] <mdke> hey Jim
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> hey j1mc
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i just committed the 90% fix
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> grab the update and do a HTML build
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> it should only get 1 validation error now (natty)
[21:33] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: it sounds like you're talking about the html build of the server guide
[21:33] <j1mc> is that right?
[21:33] <j1mc> docbook -> xslt -> html ?
[21:33] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, not just the serverguide, all html builds
[21:33] <j1mc> ah, ok
[21:33] <Rocket2DMn> docbook generated ones that is
[21:33] <j1mc> oh, you mean the 'maverick and earlier' desktop help, too, then?
[21:34] <Rocket2DMn> mallard in oneiric is another story, i pushed a fix for that a few weeks ago.  it's a workaround until upstream generates a HTML5 doctype themselves
[21:34] <j1mc> ok
[21:35] <j1mc> that is a good idea to work on with upstream, i think. html5 builds for the yelp-xsl builds. at least something to consider.
[21:36] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, it literally just inserts the header into the html files after the build is done
[21:36] <Rocket2DMn> i tried having it done during the XSL build from mallard->html5 but it failed miserably
[21:36] <j1mc> ah
[21:36] <j1mc> i am just learning xslt... going through a big xslt book. i figure it was time for me to learn it.
[21:37] <j1mc> s/figure/figured
[21:37] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, either the XSLT version just doesn't understand what the HTML5 header is, or the parser doesnt know and it screwd stuff up
[21:37]  * j1mc nods
[21:37] <Rocket2DMn> and i could inject it statically into the XSLT either
[21:37] <j1mc> thanks for that, Rocket2DMn
[21:37] <Rocket2DMn> couldnt*
[21:37] <Rocket2DMn> np, i have some experience with XSLT, it can take awhile to grasp of how it actually behaves
[21:38] <Rocket2DMn> it actually reminded me of a programming language i dabbled with briefly in college which treated inputs in a templated fashion, i dont recall what language it was though
[21:39] <mdke> thanks Rocket2DMn
[21:39] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: some of those things you have changed I think are still used in gnome-user-docs/natty and ubuntu-docs/oneiric
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> it might have been LISP, but i'm not sure
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, yes, oneiric ubuntu-docs is up to date though
[21:39] <mdke> particularly the ones to do with the Google search I think
[21:40] <j1mc> mdke: should we do any cleanup on the ubuntu-doc-committers list? there is at least one guy, george lesica, who contributed to xubuntu docs, but it was years ago.
[21:40] <Rocket2DMn> i actually came up with the docbook fixes first but never committed them, then did the oneiric stuff and committed that b/c i got it all working properly
[21:40] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: oh I see, in revision 7
[21:40] <j1mc> i'm still in touch w/him. he's in illinois.
[21:41] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/revision/7
[21:41] <mdke> does the css also need to change there?
[21:41] <j1mc> i guess it's a low priority
[21:41] <mdke> j1mc: it's not a bad idea, I've sometimes thought about that myself. Should we write to people to ask, do you think?
[21:42] <mdke> or maybe set an expiry on the team so that people can renew themselves every 6 months or so
[21:42] <j1mc> i think an initial note would be nice. an inquiry of sorts.
[21:43] <j1mc> there are people like nixternal (richard johnson) who are on that list but aren't contributing now, but ... richard could come back.
[21:43] <j1mc> i wouldn't want to remove him.
[21:43] <mdke> yes, he should stay, it's more like those who haven't contributed for many years
[21:43] <j1mc> right
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i dont recall seeing any css errors in the oneiric branch, let me check the output
[21:44] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I was just thinking that you changed the Google search css in the docbook builds, and I think that I just copied those over for the mallard build
[21:44] <mdke> (before you changed it)
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, is there a CSS file in oneiric?
[21:47] <mdke> it's all in ubuntu.xsl
[21:47] <Rocket2DMn> ah i see
[21:48] <Rocket2DMn> i thought i had the errors fixed in oneiric, but now i'm seeing some
[21:48] <Rocket2DMn> not relating to namespaces though
[21:49] <mdke> I think any errors in oneiric will also be in gnome-user-docs/natty
[21:49] <mdke> including the errors you've fixed already
[21:49] <mdke> if you don't mind poking around, that's much appreciated
[21:52] <Rocket2DMn> yeah i
[21:52] <Rocket2DMn> ill look around, havent done work in the gnome-user-docs branches yet for this i dont think
[21:53] <Rocket2DMn> i think w3 may have updated their html5 checker, b/c i asnt getting these errors before (complains about img elements not having an alt attribute)
[21:55] <mdke> thanks dude
[21:55]  * mdke -> signing off for the evening
[21:56] <j1mc> later, mdke
[21:56] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: i noticed that i couldn't switch a bug from being assigned to ubuntu-docs to the server guide
[21:56] <j1mc> have you noticed that?
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, ubuntu-docs is an ubuntu package, serverguide is an upstream project
[21:58] <j1mc> is there a reason for that?
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> (we also have ubuntu-docs as an upstream project but we dont track bugs there anymore)
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> serverguide is not an ubuntu package anymore
[21:58] <j1mc> ah, ok
[21:59] <j1mc> do you know what we should do when someone files a bug against the ubuntu-docs package but the bug actually applies to the server guide?
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> looks like ubuntu-serverguide was last a package in lucid
[21:59]  * j1mc nods
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, open the task against the serverguide project.  unless you think its something we'll do a SRU for, close the task against ubuntu-docs
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> we still have a half dozen or so serverguide bugs i left open that we might SRU, but the rest are closed
[22:01] <j1mc> ah, cool.
[22:01] <j1mc> i see how mdke did it with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/785389
[22:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 785389 in ubuntu-docs "Bug in dovecot-postfix configuration documentation" [Undecided,Invalid]
[22:01] <j1mc> that's what i needed to know
[22:02]  * j1mc feels sleepy. i don't know why i have felt sleepy somewhere between 2-4pm all week.
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> yeah j1mc  that's the correct approach
[22:07] <j1mc> ok - i'm going to take off for a bit. thanks for your help, Rocket2DMn
[23:19] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i see you did a community interview, very cool


[09:12] <ohmy> Hello everybody
[09:13] <ohmy> Yesterday i was discovering oxide and the JS API call from QML was straighforward, i'm trying to understand how call the reverse work (calling QML from JS using oxide is possible ?)
[16:16] <mike00> appdevs: I updated the sdk, and now I have to re-create the kits. when I go under "devices" and I press the button "autocreate" under my phone I get this message "There is no compatible target available on your system, do you want to create it now?" and I have to choose between two images. they are different only for the description: the first is "ubuntu vivid x86_64 ..." and the second is "ubuntu vivid i686".
[16:16] <mike00> which one do I have to select?
[16:16] <mike00> I have a Bq Aquaris E4.5
[16:26] <mike00> appdevs, which is the difference between the 2 images?
[16:36] <mike00> appdevs: I've choosen the first, "ubuntu vivid x86_64..."
[16:39] <mike00> but I got some errors, I'm trying with the second
[16:51] <mike00> appdevs: i received errors with both the images... what shall i do?
[16:54] <mike00> can an appdevs help me creating a new kit, please?


[12:28] <scott-work> astraljava: i am ready with some backporting stuff if you are still interested
[18:11] <astraljava> scott-work: Oh I am, but I'm still at work (12h now, and counting) so can we get back to it, like, tomorrow?
[18:13] <scott-work> sure, now problem, i'll send an email just to make sure i don't keep retarding any progress
[18:13] <astraljava> That's a good idea. :)
[18:21] <scott-work> astraljava: can you send me your ubuntu email address, i didn't find it in launchpad
[18:26] <scott-work> i follow up with my comments from yesterday:
[18:27] <scott-work> i believe i am available from 13:00 UTC to 03:00 UTC the next day (which should be 08:00 CST to 22:00 CST)
[18:27] <scott-work> and i can only decide on the top three priorities at this point
[18:27] <scott-work> #1 xfce transition
[18:27] <scott-work> #2 lowlatency kernel
[18:27] <scott-work> #3 documentation
[18:28] <scott-work> although I will add a fourht right now
[18:28] <scott-work> #4  create a wiki page for people who want to contribute
[18:29] <scott-work> this would like what needs to be done and how they can help
[18:51] <holstein> scott-work: can you broad-stoke documentation?
[18:51] <holstein> like, whats new in the new release kind of thing?
[18:51] <holstein> how-tos?
[18:51] <holstein> is it updating an old wiki?
[18:52] <scott-work> i consider "documentation" as updating all the documentation on the help.ubuntu.com pages
[18:52] <holstein> ok
[18:52] <holstein> wikis though right?
[18:52] <scott-work> aye
[18:52] <holstein> i mean, i can just update them?
[18:52] <holstein> cool...
[18:52] <scott-work> absolutely!
[18:53] <scott-work> i think we should probably agree on some pages first
[18:53] <scott-work> i mean that while i agree a page should be devoted to setting up jack using qjackctl...
[18:53] <scott-work> there are other pages that might try to explain jack or setting up midi or something that might change topic drastically
[18:54] <scott-work> because we might decide to break it up into several pages and possible incorporate them with other topics
[18:54] <holstein> is there just on over veiw?
[18:54] <holstein> a tree or something?
[18:54] <holstein> a TOC?
[18:54] <scott-work> my mantra has been that once we (whoever wants to be involved) agree on a framework then we can start hacking away
[18:54] <holstein> i think some of them could just be cleaned up
[18:54] <holstein> consolidated
[18:55] <scott-work> holstein: this is what i have developed:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
[18:55] <scott-work> ailo says he is working on something as well
[18:55] <holstein> yeah, thats nice scott-work
[18:56] <scott-work> thanks :)
[18:56] <holstein> you got wiki-fu
[18:56] <holstein> i like the graphics
[18:56] <scott-work> lols
[18:56] <scott-work> graphics are all ricardo l
[18:56] <scott-work> rlameiro
[18:56] <holstein> well... you got fu too
[18:57] <scott-work> i'm just anxious to establish a logical heirarchy so we can move forward


[00:16] <Gilli> any one listening?
[00:17] <LjL> yes
[00:17] <Gilli> could someone briefly answer me, how do you make your own irc channel?
[00:17] <Gilli> i have made a webpage before
[00:17] <Gilli> with apache
[00:17] <LjL>  /msg chanserv help
[00:17] <Gilli> but is irc about the same?
[00:17] <LjL> uhm, no
[00:18] <LjL> type /msg chanserv help, specifically look at the REGISTER command
[00:18] <LjL> see also freenode guidelines at http://freenode.net
[00:18] <LjL> you may want to join #freenode for more detailed information
[00:18] <Gilli> kk
[00:18] <Gilli> thxs
[06:57] <neville_> Just tried to join #ubuntu but it said I'm banned.
[06:57] <neville_> -> ?
[10:26] <jpatrick> morgen juliux
[10:28] <juliux> hi jpatrick
[19:08] <emgent> hello, if it`s possible please join ubot in #ubuntu-hardened Thanks
[19:15] <Nafallo> ubot?
[19:16] <LjL> Seveas, ping the above. (i had ubotwo in there, but ubotwo is broken and i can't fix it)
[19:55] <Seveas> LjL, no
[19:56] <Seveas> LjL, #ubuntu-hardened has their own bot (emgent's one), which interferes
[20:31] <LjL> Seveas: well can't you put it on ignore
[20:32] <Seveas> no, they have some identical commands
[20:33] <LjL> Seveas: change the channel prefixchar in encyclopedia then


[00:12] <N1X0N> easiest way I found Kevin` was to point your web browser to http://yourlocalip/phpmyadmin login with the password you set up when you installed and create the database
[00:23] <Kevin`> after I asked I found that dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database will do it, apparently
[00:24] <N1X0N> cool, sounds much easier than the way I did it
[03:13] <donavan_> can anyone in here help me? I have been trying to get my TV card to work but it just doesn't seem to want to scan for the channels I have tried it in myth, kaffeine, tvtime, and dvbscan and nothing I try seems to work the card is a wintv-hvr-1800 as far as I can tell the drivers are installed and updated I am running on ubuntu 8.10 but no matter what program I use it doesnt seem to complete the scan. ... I have checked and t
[03:13] <donavan_> he card is supposed to be supported by  just about everything but I am missing something
[04:04] <mobodo> I think I screwed up my mythbuntu install and I don't know how to revert to the default settings - anyone has an idea?
[10:43] <cann> do i need to build ffmpeg from source to get mp3 / xvid support on mythbuntu ?
[10:44] <laga> no, medibuntu or multiverse should have good packages
[10:44] <cann> alright cool , thanks for the quick answer =)
[12:15] <antebe> Does anyone see my question? No ideas?
[13:14] <laga> wait a second
[13:15] <laga> antebe: this bug might give some insight: bhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/204960
[13:56] <antebe> laga: thanks i will look at it right now! Sorry, was doing something else for a while...
[14:11] <antebe> laga: I read through it, but I do not immediately see if there IS a workaround I can try, or not? In case there is, could you please point me to which response (time) I should be looking at? Sorry, I am not really into this, installed my first Linux ever about a week ago when I started to get my new HTPC working. But I worked with Unix over 10 years ago, so I am comfortable running commands, as long as I know which ones to run...
[14:36] <olterman> Got a problem with my fresh install on intrepid Ibex, for some reason the frontend cannot connect to the server ip or port. The backend is running the IP and port are set in mythtv-setup and the database info is correct the firewall is an iptables that have policy accept on output and allows tcp input on the mythtv port and mysql port
[14:36] <olterman> oh and it worked on my previous box (hardy) with the same settings and firewall script
[14:40] <olterman> I simply do not know where to start troubleshooting on this one
[15:48] <antebe> laga! (or whoever...) Thank you so much! Now irw gives me the right inputs for all my remote buttons. BUT: the mythbuntu auto generated config files (I mean those in  $home/.lirc/*) do not work at all! and the names I get after KEY_ in the irw output are not the same as in my /etc/lirc/lircd.conf? Where are the names coming from, and more important: what should I put in the mythtv config file, for example?
[16:01] <antebe> fyi, on my card, the hal string I had to use in the .fdi file was "HVR 1110", so it had nothing to do with saa7134. My event was /dev/input/event7, but I guess that is trivial. I guess you don't mind if I update the forum thread I mentioned in my first posting here, as it might help some others? Once I get the remote to be understood in mythtv, that is... still get no response inside mythtv now...
[16:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Is the project still looking for new devs?
[16:28] <MythbuntuGuest01> I have set up mythweb and I can acess it locally at <IP_ADDRESS>/mythweb however I can not access it remotely. What port is it on?  I tried to do a netstat and type in random portnoumters to try remotely but no sucess. Any suggestions?
[16:31] <IntuitiveNipple> If that;s the URL, then it's the default HTTP port - 80
[16:33] <MythbuntuGuest01> yes but my router uses that port
[16:34] <IntuitiveNipple> If it is only listening on *localhost* no remote access will be possible
[16:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Can you access it using the PC's hostname as well? e.g. http://hostname/mythweb
[16:35] <MythbuntuGuest01> when i type http://externalip/mythweb it gives a blank page
[16:36] <IntuitiveNipple> It isn't running on the router though. First ensure mythweb is available via the ethernet port (not just localhost), then in the router you could set up port-forwarding to route an external public port that isn't used to the internal PC, port 80
[16:36] <MythbuntuGuest01> yes on the same box ican use http://hostname/mythweb
[16:37] <IntuitiveNipple> If http://hostname/mythweb works then you just need the port-forwarding rule I just described setting in the router
[16:38] <MythbuntuGuest01> so on my router I can just make up a port and forward it to 80 on my mythbox?
[16:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Provided the port you choose isn't in use by anything else, yes
[16:39] <MythbuntuGuest01> cool i'll try now
[16:39] <IntuitiveNipple> then, from external PCs, you'd access it using http://external.hostname:port/mythweb
[16:39] <IntuitiveNipple> note the :port to specify the custom port number (because it isn't the default port 80)
[16:41] <MythbuntuGuest01> so i did it and it takes me to default apache "it works"
[16:43] <MythbuntuGuest01> ok i just got it
[16:44] <MythbuntuGuest01> i looked in /var/www
[16:44] <MythbuntuGuest01> and there was a mythweb directorys so i appened that to the address
[16:44] <MythbuntuGuest01> and it worked
[16:47] <MythbuntuGuest01> thanks
[16:50] <MythbuntuGuest01> Is there an interface to add a password or do i need to modify .htaccess?
[16:53] <stingerr> I have been having issues playing DVD's.  I have installed the latest packages and updates for playing them but it seems Disney DVD's and a few other new releases seem to lock up the system instead of play them at the root  menu or upon selecting play.
[16:54] <MythbuntuGuest01> have enough ram?
[16:54] <stingerr> 2 gig
[16:55] <MythbuntuGuest01> oh
[16:55] <MythbuntuGuest01> ok
[16:55] <MythbuntuGuest01> thats all i got
[16:55] <MythbuntuGuest01> lol
[16:57] <stingerr> System Specs : Athlon 64 X2 - 2 Gig Ram - 500 GB Hard Drive - Nvidia 6100 on motherboard running Mythbuntu x64 8.04.  This should be more than enough to accomplish anything but I'm also having similiar issues on another system Athlon 3200 - 1 GB RAM - 250 GB Hard Drive - Nvidia 5800 AGP card.
[16:57] <stingerr> The Second system is running Mythbuntu i386 8.04
[16:58] <tgm4883_laptop_> MythbuntuGuest01, you can password protect mythweb from MCC
[17:01] <MythbuntuGuest01> i see thankx
[17:01] <IntuitiveNipple> Is the project still looking for new devs?
[17:15] <heyheyhey> anyone use comcast digtal cable?
[17:17] <antebe> I am still having problems with my remote, would appreciate very much if someone could help me. If I run irw I get outputs like for example "69 0 KEY_LEFT event7". In my /etc/lircd.conf I have a corresponding line "Left  0x0069". In .lirc/mythtv I have a group with "remote=Hvr1110" (the same as the name in /etc/lircd.conf), prog=mythtv, button=Left, config=left. Still, when I press the button in mythtv nothing happens! Same for AL
[17:19] <tgm4883_laptop_> IntuitiveNipple, always ;)
[17:20] <IntuitiveNipple> tgm4883_laptop_, What areas are needy?
[17:20] <tgm4883_laptop_> We aren't picky
[17:20] <tgm4883_laptop_> documentation, artwork, coding
[17:20] <tgm4883_laptop_> theres always room for one more
[17:21] <IntuitiveNipple> I've just added dbus support for gnome-screensaver (to fix the laggy performance when pressing remote buttons problem), and backported the native pulseaudio patches to 0.21+fixes (for Ubuntu Intrepid).
[17:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Coding is my interest
[17:21] <tgm4883_laptop> IntuitiveNipple, join us in #ubuntu-mythtv-dev
[17:22] <IntuitiveNipple> *another* channel!? :O
[17:22] <tgm4883_laptop> well this channel is for support
[17:22] <tgm4883_laptop> we try not to clog it with dev talk
[17:22] <IntuitiveNipple> aha
[18:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> heyheyhey: yes
[19:17] <wolf> hey im using myhtbuntu, the backend is over the network on a different machine, unfortunately the local ip keeps changing. anyone know how to make it static? Im using a netgearwgt624
[19:24] <henrik_> how is weekly comming along?
[19:24] <henrik_> can't seem to find any new updates on either uk nor us.
[19:25] <laga> they'll be there when they're done :)
[19:25] <laga> i'll push new ones this weekend i guess
[19:25] <henrik_> wound gr8 it will then be premier for updates for interpid right!
[19:26] <henrik_> have you got any news on when mpeg4 encoding will be done with graphiccard in mythtv?
[19:26] <henrik_> I'm looking for hd material in mythbuntu
[19:27] <laga> no, there have been weekly builds for intrepid in the past AFAIR
[19:27] <laga> henrik_: when 0.22 is released, probably
[19:28] <henrik_> sound perfect! I'm waiting on upgrading my htpc untill I get more news on witch graphiccards will be supported...
[19:29] <henrik_> it would almost be possible to run a backend on a atom processor with the right graphic card??!!
[19:29] <antebe> can't someone give me an idea on what might be wrong when irw works, but the remote is completely dead inside mythtv? (or any other app, like mplayer)? This is driving me crazy. in all threads I have been reading, it says that if irw runs, then the remote should work!?
[19:30] <laga> antebe: your .lircrc is not correct
[19:30] <henrik_> look in /home/user/.lirc/mythtv
[19:32] <antebe> i think it is, i am using the auto generated ones. And a strange thing: if I kill the lirc process, and then run "sudo lircd -d /dev/input/event7" then the remote does start to work - but only some buttons. And there is no correlation between what changes I make in the lircrc file...
[19:32] <antebe> i mean the remote starts to work in mythtv...
[19:35] <RealNitro> I'm having an issue with my tuner card
[19:36] <antebe> yes, my .lircrc just contain include lines with for example ./.lirc/mythtv. in that file i have exactly the same inputs as in the /etc/lircd.conf... i posted more details at 6.17.05 above... i have been having so much trouble with this, but laga's help earlier today at least put me a step forward (or - did it?) ;-)
[19:36] <RealNitro> when I boot my machine, it almost always outputs green/yellow noise
[19:37] <RealNitro> I have to manually go through several "rmmod tuner && modprobe tuner" attempts to get good tv output
[19:38] <RealNitro> http://pastebin.com/m22d4796d
[19:39] <antebe> henrik, laga: another strange thing that might help you bright guys: when irw works, irrecord does not. When I kill the lirc process and start with sudo lircd... as above, then irrecord does work. hmmm???
[19:39] <RealNitro> (the last part seems to be the important part)
[19:40] <laga> antebe: have you tried posting on the forums?
[19:41] <antebe> not after you helped me earlier today... i could now if you think it a good idea. What I am struggling to understand, is what difference there is between running irw and running mythtv?
[19:43] <antebe> for example, I am not sure my hardware.conf file is correct, as there are so many different ideas at different forums. If irw runs, then is that "proof" that the hardware.conf is correct?
[20:26] <antebe> I posted in the forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6445618#post6445618
[20:55] <simon_b> hi all! could someone halp me with usb-uirt?
[21:42] <cowbud> is there a live cd that does both front and backend?
[21:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> cowbud: nope
[21:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> frontend only, until you install
[21:53] <cowbud> ok thanks
[21:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> heyheyhey: did you get your comcast question answered?
[22:02] <KjetilK> does anyone have an answer to this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=917649 ?
[22:02] <KjetilK> it is not my post, but I have the same problem
[22:03] <KjetilK> an alternative solution, I guess, would be to use the internal player for watching videos, is that possible?
[22:14]  * KjetilK tries
[22:16] <KjetilK> yup, it worked
[22:47] <heyheyhey>  i went to best buy they gave me a smartpath ire-1.0 single ir emitter is that right one?
[23:16] <heyheyhey> i am confused how i hook up digtal cable to mythtv


[00:35] <dvheumen> Hi, just a quick question, is there and if so what is the difference between having a branch and doing a commit and having a checkout and doing a local commit?
[00:37] <cody-somerville> If you do a checkout and do a local commit, it doesn't push to the server.
[00:38] <dvheumen> true, but if you branch from a server and do a commit then it also doesn't push to the server
[00:38] <dvheumen> so that behavior doesn't seem so different (except from the default action)
[00:39] <cody-somerville> dvheumen, yup.
[00:41] <dvheumen> so the choice depends mostly on what you would like to do most of the time? If you'd like to work mostly centralized (for example at the office) then you'd do a checkout and when you're on the plane temporarily commit locally. And if you would like to work decentralized you'd branch and commit (locally) and only push once the piece is done
[00:44] <cody-somerville> yup
[00:44] <cody-somerville> There is a guide on the wiki for more info.
[00:45] <dvheumen> Yeah I know, the problem is that the small differences between a branch, a checkout and a repository aren't that clearly described
[00:45] <dvheumen> ow wait... on the wiki you say... I'm actually talking about the documentation on the website
[00:46] <dvheumen> the reference guide and such
[00:47] <dvheumen> ah, the website is a wiki, so now we're talking about the same thing again :P
[00:49] <dvheumen> anyways, thanks again, that was all I needed to know :P
[01:31] <Mecha25> anybody know why my bazaar.launchpad.net page has gotten my committed revisions and my code.launchpad.net page hasn't?  it's been over an hour since I pushed it
[01:34] <Mecha25> hello?
[01:37] <Mecha25> 113 people everywhere and not a voice is heard
[01:44] <Mecha25> anybody out there?
[01:49] <Odd_Bloke> ubottu: weekend
[01:49] <Odd_Bloke> Mecha25: ^
[01:49] <Mecha25> hey, finally somebody
[01:49] <Mecha25> cool
[01:49] <Odd_Bloke> Mecha25: I don't know, #launchpad is a better bet.
[01:49] <Mecha25> thanks
[03:35] <jelmer> kiorky, pong
[04:03] <jelmer> hmm
[08:18] <kiorky> jelmer: yep
[08:35]  * Yurim nods.
[10:09] <kiorky> with shared repository, do  the branches isinde the repo have .bzr directories?
[10:09] <kiorky> I have understood the contrary with http://bazaar-vcs.org/SharedRepositoryTutorial
[10:11] <lifeless> Keltia: they have .bzr directories, but the .bzr for each branch only has 'branch' not 'branch and repository'
[10:11] <kiorky> ok
[10:12] <kiorky> lifeless: do you know the status of nested trees support
[10:12] <kiorky> i didnt find much doc on it
[10:12] <kiorky> it seems to be implemented since .15rc1
[10:12] <lifeless> I believe it is beta quality in larsiq's branch
[10:12] <lifeless> core capabilities are done in the code base but not the UI
[10:12] <kiorky> not in bzr.dev or one of the 1.6 beta's ?
[10:13] <lifeless> no changes have been made to nesting uspport recently :(
[10:13] <lifeless> I must go - breakfast awaits
[10:13] <kiorky> have fun :)
[12:44] <scippio> hello
[12:45] <scippio> I have a problem with bazaar via webdav
[12:45] <scippio> bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:46] <scippio> :-/
[12:55] <Odd_Bloke> scippio: Are you trying to use the webdav plugin?
[12:55] <pygi> isn't webdav plugin a bit broken atm?
[12:55] <scippio> Odd_Bloke: yes .. i have this plugin
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> pygi: vila's fixed it up recently.
[12:56] <pygi> while I have no idea who that is, good news
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> scippio: What version of bzr are you using?
[12:57] <scippio> Odd_Bloke: 1.5
[12:57] <Odd_Bloke> scippio: Ah, the webdav plugin requires 1.6.
[12:58] <Odd_Bloke> That said, the only reason for that is that vila hasn't tested it with 1.5 enough.
[12:58] <scippio> Odd_Bloke: hmm ... ok I  trying it... thanks
[12:59] <Odd_Bloke> scippio: You could try just editing the requirements in the plugin and see if it'll work with 1.5.
[13:02]  * Odd_Bloke --> breakfast
[13:08] <scippio> Odd_Bloke: hmm and where is the version in webdav plugin?
[13:28] <scippio> Odd_Bloke: hmm still unsupported protocol on 1.6b3
[13:28] <bob2> bzr selftest bzrlib.plugins.webdav
[13:29] <bob2> maybe just 'bzr plugins' will show if it is installed or not
[13:29] <scippio> webdav plugin is installed ok
[13:30] <scippio> [scippio@jerry bzr]$ bzr plugins
[13:30] <scippio> launchpad  Launchpad.net integration plugin for Bazaar.
[13:30] <scippio> webdav  Implementation of WebDAV for http transports.
[13:34] <scippio> hmm ... webdav plugin is unusable :(    i must use ftp :/
[14:18] <Odd_Bloke> scippio: Did you try running 'bzr selftest bzrlib.plugins.webdav'?
[14:18] <scippio> yes
[14:18] <Odd_Bloke> What was the outcome?
[14:18] <scippio> [scippio@jerry bzr]$ bzr selftest bzrlib.plugins.webdav
[14:18] <scippio> testing: /usr/bin/bzr /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib (1.6b3 python2.5.2)
[14:18] <scippio> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[14:18] <scippio> Ran 0 tests in 0.001s
[14:18] <scippio> OK
[14:19] <scippio> tests passed
[14:20] <Odd_Bloke> OK, that suggests you don't have the plugin installed correctly, as I get 11 tests running.
[14:20] <scippio> hmm
[14:21] <Odd_Bloke> Wait, when and from where did you get the webdav plugin?
[14:22] <scippio> from launchpad ..
[14:22] <scippio> but maybe i install bad ....
[14:22] <scippio> its my first plugin ..
[14:22] <Odd_Bloke> OK, I get a different string in 'bzr plugins'.
[14:22] <scippio> first: bzr branch lp:bzr.webdav
[14:23] <scippio> second: i copy webdav.py to .bazaar/plugins/
[14:23] <Odd_Bloke> scippio: Ah, no, you want the entire directory in ~/.bazaar/plugins/.
[14:23] <Odd_Bloke> So 'bzr branch lp:bzr.webdav ~/.bazaar/plugins/webdav'.
[14:23] <scippio> i mean ~/.bazaar/plugins/
[14:24] <scippio>  ~/.bazaar/plugins/webdav.py
[14:25] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, you want the entire directory which it branches in there.
[14:25] <scippio> i have it in
[14:26] <Odd_Bloke> OK, try running 'bzr selftest webdav'.
[14:26] <scippio> [scippio@jerry plugins]$ bzr selftest webdav
[14:26] <scippio> testing: /usr/bin/bzr /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib (1.6b3 python2.5.2)
[14:26] <scippio> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[14:26] <scippio> Ran 0 tests in 0.001s
[14:26] <scippio> OK
[14:26] <scippio> tests passed
[14:26] <scippio> [scippio@jerry plugins]$ ls /home/scippio/.bazaar/plugins/
[14:26] <scippio> webdav.py  webdav.pyc
[14:27] <Odd_Bloke> OK, remove both of those files.
[14:27] <Odd_Bloke> And run 'bzr branch lp:bzr.webdav ~/.bazaar/plugins/webdav'.
[14:29] <scippio> [scippio@jerry plugins]$ ls ~/.bazaar/plugins/webdav
[14:29] <scippio> __init__.py  NOTES  setup.py  tests  TODO  webdav.py
[14:30] <Odd_Bloke> OK, now try running 'bzr selftest webdav'.
[14:30] <scippio> yes
[14:30] <scippio> [scippio@jerry plugins]$ bzr selftest webdav
[14:30] <scippio> testing: /usr/bin/bzr /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib (1.6b3 python2.5.2)
[14:30] <scippio> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[14:30] <scippio> Ran 11 tests in 0.074s
[14:30] <scippio> OK
[14:30] <scippio> tests passed
[14:30] <Odd_Bloke> OK, now try using it for whatever you were trying to use it for before.
[14:31] <scippio> excellent!
[14:31] <scippio> Odd_Bloke: thank you!
[14:32] <scippio> :)
[14:32] <Odd_Bloke> scippio: Glad I could help. :)
[16:08] <kiorky> uhm, in bzr world, what's the tip or head equivalent to designate the most up to date revision ? last:1 , isnt it ?
[16:09] <Odd_Bloke> kiorky: In what context?
[16:10] <kiorky> Odd_Bloke: i want to get the head 'explicitly' from a bzr repo, so -r last:1 seems nice
[16:12] <Odd_Bloke> kiorky: -r-1 also works.
[16:13] <kiorky> ok
[16:22] <Peng_> -N is exactly equivalent to last:N, right?
[16:22] <luks> yes
[18:09] <kiorky> jelmer: so finnaly, i got it working, nice work !
[18:10] <kiorky> jelmer: i may submit you a patch for compilation stuff when you didnt install your things in standart locations
[18:11] <kiorky> jelmer: i would be interrested to know more on the problems with server side subversion server < 1.5 and the properties that bzr sets up. I ve read somewhere that it can be problematic. Because on our production server, the svn is pretty old (1.3 i think, the one on debian stable)
[18:12] <kiorky> jelmer: uhm 1.4, but with have some repo on a sarge server, so it's 1.1 :p
[18:52] <j1mc> hi all - just a quick question.  will 'bzr uncommit -r 3686' revert the branch to version 3686, or will it revert 3686 revisions?  i would prefer the former.
[18:52] <nevans> upgrading to bzr 1.6beta3... what's the safest branch of bzr-svn to use?
[18:53] <nevans> j1mc,  bzr revert -r 3686 will do what you want, IIRC
[18:53] <j1mc> nevans: thanks
[18:53] <nevans> actually...
[18:53] <nevans> uncommit might also do it...
[18:55] <Peng_> uncommit doesn't revert the working tree.
[18:55] <Peng_> j1mc: Bazaar's -r arguments always do the same thing.
[18:56] <nevans> Peng, thanks... I knew there was an important distinction
[18:57] <j1mc> Peng_: what would i want to use then if i wanted to revert the working tree?
[18:57] <Peng_> j1mc: Um, what do you want to do? Remove revisions from your history or revert the working tree?
[18:57] <radix> j1mc: if you want to actually delete the history from the branch, then do "bzr uncommit -r X; bzr revert". If you just want to bring the working tree to the state that it was at a particular revision, use "bzr revert -r X".
[18:57] <j1mc> basically, i pushed a small change up to LP, but had an error in it, and just want to revert the change up on LP to the prior revision.
[18:58] <radix> j1mc: the difference is whether you want to delete it from history, or add a new revision which brings it back to the old state.
[18:58] <j1mc> delete it from the history
[18:58] <radix> then use uncommit
[18:58] <j1mc> thanks
[18:59] <Peng_> j1mc: You should just fix it and make a new commit.
[20:05] <techII> i want to use bzr with a huge svn repository, but i don't want to wait for the history to download, any suggestions?
[20:06] <Peng_> Time machine?
[20:07] <Peng_> BTW, be careful. Unless you're using a dev version of bzr-svn and/or svn 1.5, it'll probably leak massive amounts of RAM.
[20:31] <uws> techII: checkout perhaps?
[20:31] <uws> techII: or wait ;)  (my webkit conversion took ~2 days)
[20:42] <techII> ok, i need something between a lightweight and regular checkout/branch, that only has a partial history of a project, but can be branched from without going over the network
[20:47] <uws> techII: Yeah, I would like that as well
[20:47] <uws> techII: e.g. lightweigh checkout that caches all history ever requested from te master branch
[20:48] <Peng_> That'll be a large portion of the history...
[20:49] <uws> Peng_: Well, just the diffs you requested, and subsequent updates after the initial branching
[21:00] <lifeless> uws: have you tried the new rebase ?
[21:00] <uws> lifeless: I tried your branch from the bug report but it requires bzr > 1.5
[21:03] <Odd_Bloke> techII: Stacked branches are on their way, which allow you to only download the history you need.
[21:03] <Odd_Bloke> techII: I'm not sure of their exact status though.
[21:05] <Peng_> "Merged into bzr.dev"?
[21:05] <Peng_> They require the development1 format though.
[21:05] <Odd_Bloke> Most of it is, but I don't know if everything is there.
[21:06] <Peng_> Main thing, policies, docs. That's definitely most of it, but I don't know if it's all either.
[21:06] <Odd_Bloke> techII: Basically, that use case should be fully supported in 1.7 (I think).
[21:07] <uws> btw, is bzr's on disk format roughly the same size as git's on disk format?
[21:07] <uws> (with rich root pack)
[21:07] <Peng_> uws: No.
[21:07] <Peng_> There's currently work on making indexes much smaller, and I'm sure there will be other stuff next.
[21:08] <Peng_> Repo size benchmarks are complicated. Git, hg and bzr are all good enough, IMO.
[21:14] <lifeless> uws: yes it does
[21:15] <lifeless> uws: by default bzr is smaller than git, but common wisdom amongst git users is to run a 'repack' with large window and depth, and that makes it smaller than bzr
[21:15] <lifeless> uws: like Peng_ says though, we have a better compressor on the way
[21:15] <uws> lifeless: does it have impact on read performance?
[21:16] <lifeless> the new compressor? untuned its about the same
[21:16] <uws> lifeless: no, the repacking and window size
[21:17] <lifeless> its complex :) - depends on the operation etc.
[21:17] <uws> diff and log lookups are the most common methinks
[21:17] <lifeless> however, git is gast either way (speed is not a problem of git) (well, except http pulls perhaps but that doesn't affect most users)
[21:18] <Peng_> lifeless: What do you think of xdelta?
[21:19] <lifeless> uws: could you try rebase with 1.6b3 ? I'd like to know that I've fixed the bug and I don't have enough info to be completely sure...
[21:19] <lifeless> Peng_: good, I may end up using it for groupcompress, if I can. But I suspect i can't
[21:19] <Peng_> Why can't you?
[21:20] <lifeless> for performance I need to preserve compressor state as additional documents are added
[21:20] <lifeless> its a streaming compressor like e.g. gzip
[21:21] <lifeless> xdelta is a binary compressor - 2 in, one out
[21:21] <uws> lifeless: will do, but not now. will have to wait for a bunch of commits on webkit.trunk first
[21:21] <lifeless> uws: no worries
[21:22] <lifeless> uws: let me know if its not snappy and I'll look at it more. I'll need another callgrind naturally.
[21:22] <Peng_> lifeless: Oh.
[21:23] <lifeless> Peng_: so if xdelta's interface is suitable I will be able to essentially [ab]use it, but if its not I'd need a custom version
[21:24] <uws> lifeless: sure
[21:27] <lifeless> uws: thanks
[21:29] <Peng_> lifeless: Well, good luck. :)
[21:30] <uws> lifeless: are you the bzr marketeer these days? ;)
[21:30] <lifeless> uws: I think igc has a much better marketing feel than I :)
[21:31] <lifeless> uws: I'm happiest doing deep hacking or understanding user issues :)
[21:31] <uws> lifeless: your conversations sound like salesmen buzzword technobabble, in which everything is possible
[21:31] <lifeless> uws: LOL
[21:31] <uws> but in your case most things are actually real
[21:31] <Jc2k> lifeless: i have a technical question :-)
[21:31] <lifeless> Jc2k: shoot
[21:31] <lifeless> Jc2k: also, are you still hung over ? :)
[21:31] <uws> like "what does gnome need?"  [xyz]  "ok, will fix it"
[21:32] <Jc2k> lifeless: there was no drinking for me, i came home after my talk
[21:32] <Jc2k> :(
[21:32] <lifeless> uws: well zeenix had some that were trickier - largely about the fact we use python AFAICT
[21:32] <lifeless> Jc2k: shame; I would have bought you a beer or something :)
[21:32] <Jc2k> lifeless: hehe
[21:32] <Jc2k> how much longer are you in the UK?
[21:33] <Jc2k> anyway, nzjrs (conduit dev) has been trying to get started with the playground
[21:33] <Jc2k> he has a branch in jstowers/conduit/devel
[21:33] <lifeless> Jc2k: I fly out tomorrow
[21:33] <lifeless> ok
[21:33] <Jc2k> he's trying to merge in http://johnstowers.co.nz/bzr/conduit-gio/
[21:34] <Jc2k> he encounters fail
[21:34] <Jc2k> about things been missing
[21:34] <lifeless> pastebin ?
[21:35] <Jc2k> one sec while i recreate :p
[21:35] <Jc2k> http://pastebin.com/d38d71f4d
[21:36] <Jc2k> he tried to create a bundle, but that seems to refer to a local branch so its useless to me
[21:36] <lifeless> ah
[21:36] <lifeless> so two tings
[21:36] <lifeless> the send ui seems to confuse people
[21:36] <lifeless> jam and I are discussing with abentley how to tackel that
[21:36] <lifeless> basically you want to bundle against trunk always, then it refers to a branch people have in common
[21:37] <Jc2k> i suspected his bundle was just fail, aye
[21:37] <Jc2k> but im not sure why the merge is fail
[21:38] <lifeless> that looks like he is missing data?!
[21:38] <lifeless> bzr check <URL> going now
[21:40] <lifeless> deifnitely
[21:40] <lifeless> robertc@lifeless-64:/tmp$ bzr branch http://johnstowers.co.nz/bzr/conduit-gio/
[21:40] <lifeless> bzr: ERROR: Revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not present in "1252@1811c9d2-c306-0410-a128-ae57aa55c946:trunk:conduit%2Fmodules%2FGoogleModule%2Fgdata%2Fmedia".
[21:40] <lifeless> I'd like to know his bash history, did he rsync things around, that sort of thing
[21:41] <lifeless> basically, its 'missing ref'
[21:41] <Jc2k> he's in NZ so when you are synced back to local time correctly you'll be better set to talk to him :)
[21:42] <lifeless> its 8:40am for him
[21:42] <lifeless> but yes
[21:42] <Jc2k> he has no online presence right now :)
[21:42] <Jc2k> but i'll tell him to get his butt in here with his bash history
[21:43] <lifeless> k
[21:43] <Jc2k> i know that he's encountered stuff like this before and his solution is to bundle and merge it into a fresh branch
[21:50] <nekohayo> hey there, could someone try using http://ecchi.ca:8000/spec-merge/specto-ULTIMATEMERGE/ as a base, and bzr replay http://ecchi.ca:8000/spec-merge/specto-woutcR2/ from revision 2?
[21:50] <nekohayo> it does not seem to work on my end
[21:50] <nekohayo> even though the contents are strictly equal
[21:59] <lifeless> nekohayo: hi
[21:59] <nekohayo> hoy lifeless
[21:59] <lifeless> nekohayo: what you say doesn't work, what do you mean?
[21:59] <nekohayo> hmm lemme try
[22:00] <nekohayo> lifeless: 16 conflicts encountered.
[22:00] <nekohayo> but I shouldn't have any conflicts, the contents are exactly equal, no?
[22:02] <lifeless> well, replay applies patches
[22:02] <lifeless> so you can have conflicts yes
[22:02] <lifeless> but I'm pulling it now
[22:05] <nekohayo> lifeless: because the goal is simply to stitch the history of those two branches together
[22:06] <lifeless> nekohayo: es, I assumed so
[22:06] <nekohayo> lifeless: oops, I think the specto-woutcR2 branch is the wrong one though
[22:06] <lifeless> nekohayo: they have no common history at all
[22:07] <nekohayo> wait a sec
[22:07] <lifeless> heh, not even same repository type :)
[22:08] <nekohayo> lifeless: http://ecchi.ca:8000/spec-merge/specto-woutc/ is the one, not specto-woutcR2
[22:12] <nekohayo> lifeless: so if I try to replay from -r2.. , I get 16 conflicts. If I try from -r3.. , I get 28 conflicts!
[22:13] <lifeless> nekohayo:  bzr merge ../specto-ULTIMATEMERGE/
[22:13] <lifeless> bzr: ERROR: Repository KnitRepository('file:///tmp/specto-woutc/.bzr/repository/') is not compatible with repository KnitPackRepository('file:///tmp/specto-ULTIMATEMERGE/.bzr/repository/')
[22:13] <nekohayo> lifeless: are you using bzr 1.5?
[22:13] <nekohayo> but I'm not using "merge" here, but "replay"
[22:14] <lifeless> nekohayo: 1.6b3  :) Point is you have apparently disconnected branches
[22:14] <lifeless> nekohayo: one is from svn
[22:14] <lifeless> nekohayo: one is from a local import
[22:14] <nekohayo> yeah they are. that's why I'm trying to use replay?
[22:14] <nekohayo> yeah
[22:14] <lifeless> nekohayo: replay works on file ids - the inode abstraction
[22:14] <nekohayo> but the code is the same, darnit
[22:15] <lifeless> nekohayo: the conflicts you are getting is because bzr *thinks* the files are different files with conflicting file names
[22:15] <nekohayo> so what if I replay, bzr resolve, and then.. uh what would happen?
[22:15] <nekohayo> and should the replay be done starting at revision 2, or 3?
[22:16] <lifeless> if you replay, resolve, commit, replay the next one etc; when you are done you should be able to continue forward
[22:16] <nekohayo> the contents from "ultimatemerge" last revision [22:16] <lifeless> then you would start from 3
[22:16] <lifeless> but I have a suggestion for you
[22:16] <nekohayo> ... I need to do that for ~80 revisions?!
[22:16] <nekohayo> o_o
[22:16] <lifeless> replay it a bit more by hand :(
[22:16] <lifeless> bzr branch ULTIMEATEMERGE working
[22:16] <lifeless> cd working
[22:17] <lifeless> bzr diff ../specto-woutc -r 2..3 | bzr patch
[22:17] <lifeless> bzr commit
[22:17] <lifeless> (and copy log message)
[22:17] <nekohayo> x_x
[22:18] <lifeless> its a bug that we don't have a good conflict resolver for file-path conflicts; it makes the particular pattern of use that you have made frustrating
[22:18] <lifeless> you could try http://spacepants.org/src/bzrgraft/
[22:18] <lifeless> but AIUI its not up to date with current bzr
[22:18] <nekohayo> well yeah, it kind of depresses me that bazaar is claimed to be smarter with merges or even stitching history
[22:19] <nekohayo> when in the end it comes down to manually committing everything o_o
[22:19] <lifeless> nekohayo: why did you start a new branch ?
[22:19] <nekohayo> it wasn't me :(
[22:19] <lifeless> (as in from-scratch, rather than branching from svn in the first place ?)
[22:19] <lifeless> oh
[22:22] <nekohayo> aw shoot, it's a shame graft is unmaintained
[23:01] <kiorky> yo
[23:01] <kiorky> when doing bzr branch foo bar
[23:01] <kiorky> i think i dont understand something
[23:01] <kiorky> when i do local changes/commits, then i want to push back my things
[23:02] <kiorky> why do i need to precise the "from location" again the first time and bzr do not remember it ?
[23:05] <Odd_Bloke> kiorky: Because it's fairly rare that a user will want to push back to the location from which they branched.
[23:05] <mwhudson> kiorky: it does, or at least should, remember
[23:05] <lifeless> gnight all
[23:05] <bob2> 'night
[23:05] <kiorky> mwhudson: the first time, i need to precise agi the from location, after that it remembers
[23:05] <bob2> perhaps push should default to the parent if a push location isn't set
[23:06] <kiorky> bob2: 'xactl
[23:06] <kiorky> bob2: 'xactly
[23:06] <kiorky> this behaviours seems natural for me
[23:09] <Odd_Bloke> Again, often it's not what people intend to do.  If you've branched from a trunk which you can push to, you don't necessarily want to push to it when you forget that you haven't specified the correct location yet.
[23:11] <Odd_Bloke> For example, I do "bzr branch pqm.dev foo", *HACK*, 'bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so people can access my changes.  I wouldn't want my changes pushed to pqm.dev by accident, because that will affect other people (theoretically).
[23:19] <kiorky> Odd_Bloke: thats the default on many dvcs :p, just an habit
[23:22] <MatthewWilkes> Hey, is there a record for longest time spent trying to install bzr-svn?  Just wondering how much longer I have to take before I get my certificate
[23:33] <Odd_Bloke> MatthewWilkes: What problems are you having?
[23:33] <thumper> MatthewWilkes: :)
[23:40] <MatthewWilkes> Odd_Bloke: Using OSX, svn 1.4.5 managed with macports.  Trying to get to a version that bzr-svn supports is proving very difficult, I don't care enough about wanting to try bzr to replace my system python, subversion and py-svn, then patch setup tools as macports wants me to, so trying to muddle though doing part of it
[23:41] <mwhudson> oh os x
[23:41] <mwhudson> install ubuntu in parallels, use that
[23:41] <mwhudson> (only about half joking)
[23:42] <MatthewWilkes> mwhudson: I have ubuntu in a vm, and I could play there, but then that would be all I ever did with bzr
[23:43] <mwhudson> MatthewWilkes: you could just do the bzr-svn requiring stuff in the vm
[23:43] <Ng> 139
[23:43] <kiorky> jelmer: why does svn+http://s cache my credentials but https:// does not ?
[23:43] <Ng> bah
[23:43] <kiorky> jelmer: i mean the svn credentials
[23:43] <mwhudson> if you push from the vm to your os x install, you can use that there without bzr-svn, then push back to the vm so you can push back to bzr-svn
[23:43] <mwhudson> MatthewWilkes: not ideal, obviously
[23:43] <mwhudson> are there svn 1.5 os x binaries yet?
[23:44] <MatthewWilkes> mwhudson: Everything would require it, I'm in a company infrastructure that only supports svn, and it will only ever support svn unless it becomes easy
[23:44] <mwhudson> Ng: hi :)
[23:44] <Verterok> MatthewWilkes: Hi, I'm using bzr-svn on OS X (10.4), tell me if I can give you a hand to get it working :)
[23:44] <kiorky> MatthewWilkes:  show bundlebuggy to your workmates
[23:44] <Ng> mwhudson: hey :)
[23:45] <MatthewWilkes> Verterok: Thanks, how are you managing svn?
[23:46] <Verterok> MatthewWilkes: I'm using the DMG from collabnet, but I think the macports version should be fine
[23:47] <MatthewWilkes> kiorky: If the features were all that mattered, no problem, but if it doesn't work, it's useless
[23:47] <Peng_> You only have to convert everyone from svn once. Then it won't be an issue anymore! :D

[23:48] <pygi> MatthewWilkes, you mean unless hosting bzr branches becomes easy? :p
[23:49] <Verterok> MatthewWilkes: and bzr-svn trunk (0.4.11)
[23:49] <MatthewWilkes> pygi: No, I mean working with all the other repositories people have to deal with ;)
[23:49] <pygi> MatthewWilkes, aha, ok, sorry :P
[23:49]  * pygi just plugged himself in, so :)
[23:49]  * MatthewWilkes knows of 1 bzr formatted repository that houses code relevant to his work


[19:48] <treitter> does anyone know the names of the ubuntu-online-accounts packages? Is it just gnome-control-center-signon?


[01:19] <Bomboz819> hey salut les amis
[01:19] <Bomboz819> Ankman té tu la
[01:20] <Bomboz819> are you there
[01:20] <Ankman> yes
[01:20] <Bomboz819> i need help around with putty installating teamvierwer
[01:20] <Bomboz819> i not go to install it
[01:20] <Bomboz819> can you help me
[01:21] <Ankman> putty is not installed. it's just an exe file which runs as it is
[01:21] <Ankman> buuuuuut, i never tried X with putty
[01:21] <Bomboz819> we need puttty to connect to server interface
[01:21] <Bomboz819> how do you connect to dedicated server interface desktop
[01:21] <Ankman> have you started ssh on the server?
[01:22] <Bomboz819> ssh no
[01:22] <Bomboz819> i use putty like ssh
[01:22] <Ankman> if you want putty you need to start ssh
[01:22] <Ankman> oh, you mean vnc?
[01:23] <Bomboz819> quand you expland me how do you install shh if you only have user name and password of your linux server
[01:23] <Ankman> you mean ssh or vnc?
[01:23] <Ankman> with ssh you have the same password as if you would login directly
[01:24] <Bomboz819> i need to inistall teamviewer service on my linux server
[01:24] <Ankman> oh, teamviewer i never used
[01:24] <Bomboz819> to connec to it with my windows machine to connect to linunc desktop icons
[01:24] <Ankman> then you better use tightvnc
[01:24] <Bomboz819> ok how do ye install toghtvnc
[01:24] <Bomboz819> can you show me
[01:25] <Bomboz819> please
[01:25] <Ankman> install the vnc server on linux via the package manager first
[01:25] <Bomboz819> hehe i have only command line
[01:26] <Ankman> try to start (as root)
[01:26] <Ankman> aptitude
[01:26] <Bomboz819> first of all when you have dedicated server how do you type in command
[01:26] <Ankman> you are admin there, right?
[01:26] <Bomboz819> you dont have interface that why we use putty
[01:26] <Bomboz819> yess am admin of the server
[01:26] <Ankman> ok, aptitude then
[01:27] <Ankman> start it as root
[01:27] <Bomboz819> ok
[01:27] <Ankman> when it loaded all and displays the list, hit "u"
[01:27] <Ankman> then it updates the list
[01:28] <Bomboz819> ok am on root now
[01:28] <Ankman> type "aptitude" on the shell
[01:28] <Ankman> no ""
[01:28] <Bomboz819> cool
[01:28] <Bomboz819> after
[01:28] <Ankman> hit "u" when it finished reading the list
[01:29] <Bomboz819> ok all list have scrolll down and green
[01:29] <Ankman> hit "/"
[01:30] <Ankman> type there "tightvncserver" (witout "" always)
[01:31] <Bomboz819> am still in dialog bleue windows
[01:32] <Ankman> after you hit "u" it should update the list
[01:32] <Bomboz819> its say not install pacxkages virtual package and task
[01:32] <Bomboz819> yeah i have type u
[01:32] <Ankman> ok
[01:32] <Bomboz819> its do nothing
[01:32] <Ankman> type ENTER
[01:33] <Bomboz819> that go on the sub menu vertical list
[01:33] <Ankman> then again "/", start typing "tightvnc
[01:33] <Ankman> when it finds the first and it is not "tightvncserver" hit "n" until it highlights it
[01:34] <Bomboz819> you have teamviewer
[01:34] <Ankman> no
[01:35] <Bomboz819> awwwwwwwwwwww
[01:35] <Ankman> why do you need this?
[01:35] <Bomboz819> to see my screen pc if i do this good
[01:36] <Ankman> vnc does
[01:37] <Ankman> teamviewer i think is you want to allow more than one to access the desktop
[01:37] <Bomboz819> what do you use to see remote people pc
[01:37] <Bomboz819> i will install it
[01:37] <Bomboz819> on my pc
[01:37] <Ankman> install tightvncserver on linux. if you cannot find it in aptitude, search (with "/") for "vncserver"
[01:37] <Ankman> i use tightvncclient
[01:38] <Bomboz819> oh
[01:38] <Bomboz819> do i need to quit the aptitude
[01:38] <Ankman> but you don't see your desktop. you see a new desktop
[01:38] <Ankman> install vnc first before quitting it
[01:38] <Bomboz819> ok
[01:38] <Ankman> you quit with "q"
[01:39] <Ankman> hit "ESC" several times if it doesn't want to quit
[01:39] <Bomboz819> i conot go forward because i have like windows that show up te packages
[01:40] <Ankman> hit ESC
[01:41] <Bomboz819> ok
[01:41] <Bomboz819> let go
[01:41] <Bomboz819> am ready
[01:42] <Ankman> ah, ESC doesn't wor, ENTER does
[01:42] <Ankman> anyway, found vncserver?
[01:42] <Ankman> may be ubuntu doesn't have tightvncserver. i have debian here so cannot tell


[18:36] <Eickmeyer> We have a new release! https://ubuntustudio.org/2020/10/ubuntu-studio-20-10-released/
[21:07]  * OvenWerks sees a problem :(
[21:07] <OvenWerks> /lib/systemd/system/ondemand* no longer exists
[21:11] <OvenWerks> well the subdirectory does, but the service does not... so the sub dirrectory is not worth anything
[21:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: If that's the case, then maybe we need to use the systemd service file I made?
[21:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> The one that got it working in Fedora.
[21:15] <OvenWerks> could be thats where ubuntu got it
[21:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> And, to be fair, ondemand was an Ubuntu-only thing that replaced something from upstart.
[21:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, it was a hack at best.
[21:15] <OvenWerks> I was thinking of moving studio to multi-user
[21:16] <OvenWerks> I think it was an unneeded hack as the cpu comes up in powersave anyway
[21:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, maybe it was removed for that very reason.
[21:17] <OvenWerks> anyway the service would still work it is just not being run
[21:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, I don't see it as an issue, since everything works regardless.
[21:19] <OvenWerks> system always comes up in powersave regardless of setting
[21:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, I see.
[21:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I'm sure there's a way, and that way would be distro-agnostic and might solve the same problem in Fedora.
[21:23] <OvenWerks> I am not at the right computer right now, but it looks like just moving the /lib/systemd/system/ondemandservice.wants/studio.* file to /lib/systemd/system/multi-user*/should work
[21:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, cool.
[21:26] <OvenWerks> nope, have to remake the file first but they are all short anyway.
[21:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, systemd service files are pretty easy once you do a few.
[21:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Is this true in both Focal and Groovy?
[21:38] <krytarik> Eickmeyer[m]: Just skimming over the release post, the "ardour" at the link to their website needs capitalized. >_<
[21:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> krytarik: Fixed
[21:52] <krytarik> Eickmeyer[m]: Also found a "cowdfunded" >_<
[21:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> krytarik: That's correct. It can be either crowd-funded or crowdfunded.
[21:53] <krytarik> Well, it's missing an 'r' in the crowd though!
[21:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ohhhh I didn't see that.
[21:54] <krytarik> "We are still hammering-out what those benefits might be, and we would love to hear some feedback about what those benefits might be." - and I think the repetition could be folded here.
[21:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> krytarik: "We are still hammering-out the benefits to patrons, and we would love to hear some feedback about what those benefits might be." is that better?
[22:04] <krytarik> I think in context to the preceding sentence, the original beginning was right and I was thinking of just shortening the second part of the sentence to like "and we would love to hear some feedback regarding that."
[22:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, repetition or not, I'm not changing it again.
[23:58] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: just groovy, focal is fine.
[23:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok, that is going to make backporting future versions of studio-controls very difficult then.
[23:59] <OvenWerks> maybe not, the new way should work with both.
[23:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, we'll go with that hypothesis then.
[23:59] <OvenWerks> I may need to put a delay in though


[12:49] <czajkowski> ebel: you seen http://www.workrave.org/
[12:50] <ebel> czajkowski: yep. I use it every day :)
[12:51] <czajkowski> ah cool
[12:51] <ebel> :)
[21:34] <ronin> good evening, hows the craic?
[21:34] <czajkowski> howdy
[21:35] <ronin> no news with you?
[21:35] <czajkowski> just been following the Ubuntu talet all day
[21:35] <ronin> is the ubuntu hour still on will you tell me..
[21:35] <ronin> talet whats that?
[21:35] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet
[21:36] <ronin> oh right cool beans!!
[21:37] <ronin> Is this hype now or is it something tangable...
[21:38] <czajkowski> tangable
[21:38] <czajkowski> it's on the main site
[21:38] <czajkowski> seen the video of Mark
[21:39] <ronin> I'm getting sick of this auld stuff now with their ubuntu phone and their tablets and stuff.
[21:40] <czajkowski> why sick of ?
[21:40] <czajkowski> it's all rather new
[21:40] <czajkowski> bit hard to be sick of someting in less than 2 months
[21:40] <czajkowski> but ok
[21:41] <ronin> sorry I'm in web 1.0 land for the moment so no vids..
[21:42] <czajkowski> ack
[21:42] <czajkowski> worth watching when you can though
[21:43] <ronin> They made a couple of announcements there a while ago. Its all hype and stuff. It would be ok if they got hardware vendors on board. Then I'd listen..
[21:44] <czajkowski> have to start somwhere
[21:44] <czajkowski> it's only been 6 weeks ago since the phone annoucmeent
[21:44] <czajkowski> and it went down well at CES
[21:44] <czajkowski> Mobile world next week
[21:45] <ronin> The people I'm watching at the moment are the nokia people that quit and made the meego port.. at least they have hardware vendors and carriers on board.
[21:45] <ronin> *quit nokia..
[21:46] <czajkowski> hmm
[21:46] <czajkowski> a good chunk of the QT devs work for canonical now
[21:46] <ronin> enough ranting and raving...
[21:46] <czajkowski> on you know
[21:46] <czajkowski> the phone :)
[21:46] <czajkowski> who's ever going to buy into Nokia
[21:47] <czajkowski> it never got the smart phone down
[21:47] <ronin> I know the evil ones took over the company (Microsoft)..
[21:47] <ronin> In 2010..
[21:47] <ronin> Pricks...
[21:48] <ronin> Did you read why nokia is going to go of business?
[21:51] <ronin> http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/07/the-sun-tzu-of-nokisoftian-microkia-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-whose-the-baddest-of-them-all-waterloo.html
[21:53] <ronin> :czajkowski could I ask you if the ubuntu hour is still going on in limerick?
[21:53] <ronin> or are you out of the country?
[21:54] <czajkowski> I live in the UK now
[21:54] <czajkowski> but one of the guys in UL has one for later this month I think in limerick
[21:55] <ronin> oo good I might pop down...
[21:56] <ronin> thats a shame I would have liked to meet you in person!!
[21:56] <ronin> :-(
[21:56] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ie/2243/detail/
[21:57] <ronin> grand job thanks ill bookmark that..
[21:59] <ronin> I went to meet rms there in dublin had a good time..
[22:00] <czajkowski> I think felimwhiteley went there also
[22:00] <ronin> cool beans
[22:02] <czajkowski> ronin: where are you based?
[22:03] <ronin> Clare.
[22:04] <czajkowski> ah nice
[22:04] <ronin> Its grand... live on a farm.
[22:05] <ronin> Near enough too ennis...
[22:07] <czajkowski> mate used to live ther
[22:07] <czajkowski> spent from the age of 16 in lahinch
[22:07] <czajkowski> love it down there
[22:08] <czajkowski> really the only thing I miss living over here tbh
[22:08] <ronin> I don't know how lucky I am!!
[22:09] <ronin> summer is lovely here alright.. winter is a different story.. floods and bad weather and lots of muck..
[22:10] <czajkowski> nods
[22:10] <czajkowski> same as anywhere in winter
[22:10] <czajkowski> miserable
[22:10] <ronin> ya I have a few good pictures there if you want a look..
[22:12] <ronin> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109026913213312946145/albums/5818467736857944833?authkey=CJPuqczq2vuqxQE
[22:13] <ronin> I don't know will that work now..
[22:16] <czajkowski> yup
[22:16] <czajkowski> looks lovely