[09:34] <czajkowski> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11824565/Fire-breaks-out-in-hangar-at-Dublin-Airport.html
[09:34] <czajkowski> wow
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully no one hurt, i have a gamer mate who works in dublin airport so will probably hear all about it on saturday
[09:39] <czajkowski> nods


[17:34] <vish> bad hyperair ;p
[17:35] <vish> hyperair: look what you did >  http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Nachrichten/Heisst-Ubuntu-10.10-Meandering-Marmot
[17:36] <hyperair> ...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
[17:36] <hyperair> can someone translate that into english?
[17:36] <hyperair> =p
[17:37] <tgpraveen12> u knw what the first time i saw it i thought that was the new name too
[17:38] <tgpraveen12> though from tedg 's later comments it was clear it wasnt iirc
[17:41] <hyperair> hehehe
[17:41] <hyperair> oh come on, you must know it's a tradition to make fun of the potential next name of ubuntu already =p


[14:24] <Sarvatt> well at least there's a pretty consistant performance increase in -intel and mesa lately - http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=robert-11148-16739-5615


[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[11:39] <mainerror> Does anyone know if there is something in the makings for http://packages.ubuntu.com in terms of design?
[11:39] <mainerror> I'd like to create some mock-ups and propose them.
[11:54] <mmiicc> mainerror: this maybe? https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/
[12:13] <mainerror> Looks good but it is not quite the same.
[12:13] <mainerror> I guess that one is more for consumers than for contributors.
[12:14] <mainerror> It doesn't list dependencies and so on.
[21:32] <tauran> Hello Ubuntu Design Team, what's the designated way to  make suggestions for unity?


[00:23] <bigjools> caribou: proxy settings are not fully implementing in precise-updates, you need raring+
[00:23] <bigjools> implemented*
[08:08] <caribou> bigjools: so you mean that, in Precise, the field is there, the value is kept but not used, correct ?
[21:45] <Guest12707> Evening
[22:21] <CyberJacob> Anybody here?
[22:40] <AskUbuntu> MAAS nodes stuck on "maas-enlisting-node" | http://askubuntu.com/q/315647
[23:38] <bigjools> !ask|CyberJacob


[01:07] <Cimi> bratsche: what do I need to do for murrine+rgba?
[08:40] <Cimi_> bratsche: ping
[09:04] <Cimi_> davidbarth: ping
[09:27] <davidbarth> Cimi: png
[09:27] <davidbarth> Cimi: hey, what is creating issues in the PPA? gtk itself or the connman or zeitgeist packages?
[09:33] <Cimi> gtk
[09:33] <Cimi> my maverick installation is totally destroyed
[09:33] <Cimi> I have just a terminal :)
[09:36] <Cimi> argh I hate that
[09:40] <Cimi> safuck
[09:41] <davidbarth> let me check
[09:42] <Cimi> I guess I'll need to reinstall everything
[09:48] <Cimi> davidbarth: help me :(
[09:53] <davidbarth> Cimi: you may have to
[09:54] <davidbarth> Cimi: do you have a lucid machine somewhere for the other changes
[09:54] <davidbarth> Cimi: i can work with you on the dbusmenu changes for example
[09:54] <Cimi> davidbarth: I have a lucid installation
[09:54] <davidbarth> while you re-install your maverick system
[09:54] <davidbarth> ok cool
[09:54] <Cimi> no
[09:54] <Cimi> it's in my netbook :(
[09:55] <Cimi> maverick or lucid
[09:55] <Cimi> for the dbusmenu change, I've tried patching genericmenuitem_Set_icon
[09:55] <davidbarth> oh dual boot
[09:55] <davidbarth> ok
[09:55] <Cimi> with gtk_menu_item_set_image ...
[09:55] <Cimi> (something like that)
[09:56]  * davidbarth looks into the code
[09:56] <Cimi> but it doesn't display anythink
[09:57] <davidbarth> hmm
[09:58] <davidbarth> it should be similar to the one ted added for the messaging menu
[09:58] <Cimi> restarting to lucid
[09:59] <davidbarth> there is this get_hpadding helper
[09:59] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, see you in a minute
[10:01] <Cimi> in lucid ;)
[10:42] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, checked the package; the dependencies are broken or something
[10:43] <davidbarth> Cimi: let's put that argb on hold until bratsche and kenvandine are back
[10:43] <davidbarth> Cimi: on dbusmenu, did you see the get_hpadding funciton?
[10:44] <Cimi> davidbarth: it's not padding the main issue
[10:44] <Cimi> if we don't have the icons
[11:04] <davidbarth> Cimi: so what's the thing to fix to match the mockups? icon positioning
[11:04] <davidbarth> Cimi: or the hbox container itself?
[11:05] <davidbarth> (looking at your msg-menu patch in the meantime)
[11:10] <davidbarth> Cimi: i don't have the part of the patch where you adjusted the layout, just the triangle
[11:11] <davidbarth> Cimi: but actually the triangle could go directly into the genericmenuitem part
[11:17] <Cimi> davidbarth: sorry I detached the irc sreen session :)
[11:17] <Cimi> so
[11:17] <klattimer> davidbarth: can you make sure you assign the gsd bug to me asap
[11:17] <davidbarth> klattimer: hi
[11:17] <Cimi> davidbarth: basically, the previous layour in the indicator-mexxage was
[11:17] <davidbarth> klattimer: gsd bug? you mean the porting task?
[11:17] <klattimer> yeah
[11:18] <Cimi> | triangle (in the space assigned to the menuitem icon) | HBOX with icon and label
[11:18] <Cimi> with my patch is
[11:18] <Cimi> | icon | label |
[11:19] <Cimi> and triangle is drawn in the meuitem expose event
[11:19] <Cimi> I thought that if we wanted to align dbusmenuitem on the left we need to move set the menuitem icon to the application icon
[11:19] <Cimi> and remove the hbox
[11:21] <davidbarth> klattimer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu/+bug/599844 is all yours now
[11:22] <klattimer> cool
[11:22] <klattimer> :)
[11:24] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok
[11:27] <davidbarth> Cimi: so. in genericmenuitem terms
[11:27] <Cimi> yes
[11:27] <davidbarth> the hbox would be suppressed
[11:28] <davidbarth> but that sounds wrong to me
[11:28] <Cimi> not suppressed
[11:28] <Cimi> just remove the icon from the hbox
[11:28] <Cimi> if you remove the icon from the hbox, the hbox will continue to work and be available
[11:30] <davidbarth> Cimi: can you send me back the msg-menu mockup btw? it is still not clear whether we cover all cases in this case
[11:31] <davidbarth> Cimi: because the left column is only supposed to contain checkboxes or radioboxes, but not generic menuitem icons
[11:32] <Cimi> in fact
[11:32] <davidbarth> Cimi: but still, the msg menu design calls for having a small triangle very close to the Broadcast icon for example, and that would take the place of the checkboxes for axample
[11:32] <Cimi> that's why I thought to overriding dbusmenu in indicator-messages
[11:33] <Cimi> davidbarth: email sent
[11:35] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, thanks
[11:35] <davidbarth> Cimi: so the mockup is wrong, or doesn't match mpt's definition
[11:36] <davidbarth> Cimi: let's try to secure the rounded counter then, because that can go independently of the rest
[11:36] <davidbarth> Cimi: can you make a branch with just this change first
[11:37] <davidbarth> Cimi: upload the branch, and propose it for merging into indicator-messages
[11:37] <Cimi> ok
[11:37] <Cimi> so
[11:37] <Cimi> triangle on the left
[11:37] <davidbarth> Cimi: i'm calling otto to try to re-clarify that with him
[11:37] <Cimi> plus rounded counter?
[11:37] <davidbarth> Cimi: not even the triangle, just the nice rounded corner you added
[11:37] <Cimi> will do but just reading the code
[11:37] <davidbarth> Cimi: the rounded counter is on an expose handler, right?
[11:38] <Cimi> I can't test it because of no maverick installation working
[11:38] <davidbarth> so to land the triangle rendering, it's just a question of adding more to the handler that will already be in trunk
[11:38] <Cimi> I'll do in lucid
[11:38] <davidbarth> Cimi: i'll test it when doing the code review anyway
[11:38] <davidbarth> cool
[11:39] <davidbarth> Cimi: do you have mpt's wireframe paper with you btw? could you make a snapshot with your phone and send that to me as well?
[11:39] <Cimi> it's in the haydn room I guess :D
[11:57] <Cimi> davidbarth: done
[12:04] <Cimi> davidbarth: another idea
[12:04] <Cimi> instead using cairo to draw the triangle
[12:04] <Cimi> I could use cairo+expose event to place the icon on the left
[12:05] <Cimi> so that the icon can be fully themed with the icon theme
[12:22] <davidbarth> Cimi: can you ping me to test the menu rendering please?
[12:23] <Cimi> davidbarth: ?
[12:24] <davidbarth> i didn't get your name rendered next to the rounded counter
[12:25] <Cimi> mmm
[12:25] <Cimi> did you restarted the panel?
[12:25] <Cimi> davidbarth:
[12:26] <davidbarth> Cimi: i did
[12:27] <Cimi> something may be wrong in my patch then
[12:27] <davidbarth> Cimi: and that new ping was rendered without your name on the line, just the counter, left aligned btw
[12:27] <Cimi> sshot?
[12:27] <davidbarth> Cimi: doing that now
[12:29] <Cimi> looks like I removed the label :)
[12:30] <davidbarth> Cimi: yeah, gtk_label_new
[12:31] <Cimi> davidbarth: pushed :)
[12:31] <davidbarth> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/indicator-messages/right-rounded-numbers/+merge/31262
[12:31] <davidbarth> see comments on argument checks to add too
[12:32] <Cimi> it's the first time I write callbacks so I'm completely new on them
[12:33] <davidbarth> Cimi: great, now it works
[12:33] <Cimi> davidbarth: if you could patch and push the right version I can learn ;)
[12:34] <davidbarth> well, they will be evaled at run time only, so don't use g_return_if_fail, but rather simple checks like if (x == NULL) return
[12:34] <davidbarth> or better, do some typechecking on gobjects, so that even a dirty pointer can be controled a bit more thoroughly
[12:34] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, i'll give that a try
[12:37] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, i commented on the code review page with a patch you can add and push
[12:38] <davidbarth> Cimi: i can't push to this branch directly
[12:39] <Cimi> ok
[12:41] <Cimi> davidbarth: pushed
[12:41] <davidbarth> Cimi: great
[12:55]  * Cimi eating
[13:24]  * Cimi food finished :D
[13:52] <davidbarth> Cimi: i should have a call with otto at 3pm (CET) to clarify what we can already land for a3
[13:53] <Cimi> nice
[13:53] <Cimi> davidbarth: do you want to setup a conference?
[13:57] <davidbarth> Cimi: once the time is set, yes, to have you on the call as well
[13:58] <Cimi> davidbarth: 3pm is in 2 minutes?
[14:01] <davidbarth> Cimi: it's postponed for a bit, i'll ping you back on that in particular
[14:16] <davidbarth> Cimi: hey can you take a look at the updated drawing (on the right)?
[14:17] <davidbarth> Cimi: the triangle code you have should already do exactly that
[14:17] <Cimi> davidbarth: what do you mean?
[14:17] <Cimi> kind of
[14:17] <davidbarth> Cimi: maybe the triangle should be enlarged a bit
[14:17] <davidbarth> but mostly, that would work
[14:18] <Cimi> as I said, we could have two different solutions
[14:18] <davidbarth> and not require further re-alignment of either the msg-menu items or dbusmenu at the same time
[14:18] <Cimi> 1) drawing with cairo
[14:18] <Cimi> 2) using cairo to place the icon on the left
[14:18] <Cimi> with icon I mean the current triangle icon
[14:19] <davidbarth> how would option 2) work?
[14:19] <davidbarth> you move the current "cursor"
[14:19] <davidbarth> and let the icon drawing code render from here?
[14:20] <Cimi> I draw using cairo
[14:20] <Cimi> but
[14:20] <Cimi> instead drawing with the vectorial api
[14:20] <Cimi> I will get the pixbuf and place it on a surface
[14:21] <Cimi> the advantage is that it is themeable
[14:21] <Cimi> the downside is that you might have problems with different colors in themes
[14:22] <Cimi> another downside is that it won't scale maybe with different font dimensions (or yes, it could scale but not like a pure vectorial code)
[14:22] <davidbarth> Cimi: the version you have implements option #1 right?
[14:23] <Cimi> y
[14:23] <davidbarth> Cimi: to make it more themeable, you could also retrieve some properties (if you don't already) to at least use some theme colors
[14:24] <davidbarth> for the rest i'm not sure i see which benefits option #2 would bring wrt to themability
[14:24] <Cimi> davidbarth: I'm already checking he colors
[14:24] <davidbarth> Cimi: then that sounds fine to me
[14:24] <Cimi> ok I'll open a new branch
[14:24] <Cimi> just for the triangle
[14:24] <davidbarth> Cimi: i think the last step is to get some signoff from design on that rendering
[14:24] <davidbarth> Cimi: right
[14:25] <davidbarth> Cimi: maybe that'll require some adjustment for the size of the triangle, but apart from that, that should be fine for landing today too
[14:32] <davidbarth> Cimi: one note: there should be a way to have the triangle have either a normal (gray) color, or an active/highlighted color (green, to go with the green envelope)
[14:32] <davidbarth> Cimi: are there style properties you'd recommend to use to have that stylable in a way consistent with the rest of the style property hiearchy?
[14:35] <Cimi> mmm
[14:35] <Cimi> (davidbarth pushed anyway the first version)
[14:35] <Cimi> davidbarth: maybe not, I don't know
[14:36] <Cimi> we can't use selected color
[14:36] <Cimi> because it is already used for the selected menuitem
[14:36] <Cimi> please test the branch, can't test here
[14:36] <Cimi> and tell me if the dimension is ok
[14:36] <Cimi> otto liked it
[14:43] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, doing that now
[14:51] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok it renders the triangle
[14:51] <davidbarth> Cimi: the returns must return a FALSE or the compiler cries
[14:52] <davidbarth> Cimi: the other icon is still thre
[14:52] <davidbarth> Cimi: and so utlimately it means we need to de-construct what ted did with the hboxes and so on
[14:52] <davidbarth> Cimi: because they would not be needed anymore, as the triangle is an overlay
[14:53] <davidbarth> Cimi: let me try the removal of the hbox code, that is tied to the specific menu item
[15:00] <Cimi> davidbarth: yeah that's true
[15:00] <Cimi> I forgot it
[15:03] <Cimi> davidbarth: which return must return fals?
[15:12] <Cimi> davidbarth: and what about the conference call
[15:12] <Cimi> ?
[15:17] <davidbarth> Cimi: no ping yet on the call
[15:17] <davidbarth> Cimi: i have fiddled a bit with the icon size to bring that closer to otto's design
[15:17] <Cimi> davidbarth: ok
[15:17] <davidbarth> Cimi: no ping yet on the call
[15:17] <davidbarth> Cimi: i have fiddled a bit with the icon size to bring that closer to otto's design
[15:17] <Cimi> i received it
[15:18] <davidbarth> (in case that didn't pass, ah good)
[15:18] <davidbarth> Cimi: the horizontal-padding property that is used for the icon + label layout
[15:18] <davidbarth> Cimi: is that something that can be adjusted as well?
[15:19] <davidbarth> Cimi: ie, if we were to not add padding to the left side of the icon, that would bring it closer to the left border (and the triangle)
[15:19] <davidbarth> and still align with entries with only text or?
[15:20] <Cimi> one sec
[15:20] <Cimi> I'm tired, need to re-read it :)
[15:21] <Cimi> I did not understand
[15:21] <Cimi> mainly because I don't have the app running so I can't know what's wrong
[15:22] <davidbarth> Cimi: hmm, sory, not that's not a good idea
[15:22] <davidbarth> Cimi: we need to add the same padding to both text or icon + text entries, or that won't align of course
[15:23] <Cimi> davidbarth: sshot?
[15:25]  * Cimi needs to sleep 10 mins or his mind will blow up
[15:29] <davidbarth> Cimi: hang on, coming back in ~20min after an internal meeting
[15:29] <davidbarth> Cimi: (not on design)
[16:08] <Cimi> davidbarth: updates?
[16:13] <Cimi> davidbarth: received
[16:29] <davidbarth> Cimi: kenvandine updated the gtk package if you want to try again
[16:29] <davidbarth> Cimi: see the steps with ken if you want to recover from the past change maybe
[16:30] <kenvandine> i think just install ubuntu-desktop should do it
[16:30] <davidbarth> Cimi: chaotic is saying the changes are ok to go in, i'm adjusting a variable with him and will push the changes bakc for you to resubmit
[16:30] <kenvandine> but i think njpatel found installing fresh was easier
[16:37] <Cimi> will do tomorrow
[16:37] <Cimi> davidbarth: ok, i'm here
[16:37] <Cimi> what about the conference call?
[16:38] <Cimi> not needed anymore?
[16:43] <Cimi> davidbarth: lol, you don't read me just because you need the nice rounded counter on the right :P
[16:43] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok sweet, chaotic is happy with the triangle, we adjusted that a bit to accomodate for the gap between them and the icon
[16:43] <davidbarth> Cimi: sort of yes ;)
[16:43] <Cimi> lol
[16:43] <davidbarth> Cimi: on the rounded counters
[16:44] <Cimi> yep
[16:44] <davidbarth> Cimi: could you try to have the font 1 or 2 points smaller?
[16:44] <davidbarth> i guess it takes a few gtk calls to adjust that
[16:44] <Cimi> it should
[16:44] <Cimi> but i did not reach it
[16:44] <davidbarth> would you know where to hit in the right spot?
[16:45] <Cimi> davidbarth: read lines 567-569
[16:45] <davidbarth> Cimi: i'm there
[16:45] <Cimi> sorry 567-568
[16:45] <Cimi> it didn't work
[16:45] <davidbarth> just trying to find out where to attack
[16:45] <davidbarth> oh, sorry the pango calls
[16:50] <davidbarth> Cimi: what about something like gtk_widget_modify_style?
[16:50] <Cimi> for what?
[16:50] <Cimi> the only idea I have in my mind is using cairo_scale
[16:51] <Cimi> and try to see if it will work
[16:53] <davidbarth> Cimi: can you ping me again, please?
[16:55] <Cimi> davidbarth: no :P
[16:57] <davidbarth> thanks
[16:58] <Cimi> davidbarth: does cairo_scale work?
[16:58] <davidbarth> Cimi: dunno, where?
[16:58] <Cimi> in numbers_draw_cb
[16:59] <Cimi> before drawing everything
[16:59] <Cimi> you should try a transformation
[16:59] <davidbarth> Cimi: oh i see
[17:00] <Cimi> davidbarth: like cairo_scale (cr, 0.8, 0.8);
[17:01] <Cimi> not sure if we need 1.2 or 0.8 :)
[17:01] <davidbarth> Cimi: well, i'd rather stabilize the code for the release today and note the optimizations for later next week
[17:01] <davidbarth> Cimi: during your sprint in London
[17:02] <davidbarth> Cimi: atm i'm just trying to see if there is an easy way to get the font size different, but that may take a while, so i'll just push back my branch and please re-submit it once received
[17:02] <davidbarth> Cimi: then i'll roll a few tarballs for the desktop folks to get something better into A3 for now
[17:02] <Cimi> ok
[17:05] <davidbarth> Cimi: lp:~dbarth/indicator-messages/style-rehash-for-cimi
[17:06] <davidbarth> Cimi: just merge back in your existing branch and i'll finish validating the merge proposal
[17:10] <Cimi> davidbarth: pushed
[17:21] <davidbarth> Cimi: merged in, thanks
[17:31] <Cimi> chaotic: did you take the latest theme?
[17:31] <Cimi> I have seen you removed the snapshot of the 28 from the shared folder
[17:35] <chaotic> I've been looking at it today - it's getting there :)
[17:36] <Cimi> chaotic: why you removed it?
[17:36] <chaotic> hmmm weird - didn't mean to remove it - one second
[17:38] <chaotic> it's back - I thought I'd copied it, but I had moved it by accident, sorry
[17:41] <Cimi> chaotic: is the theme ok?
[17:42] <chaotic> cimi: it's looking good and I'm looking forward to refining it further next week
[17:44] <Cimi> chaotic: will it go in alpha3?
[17:44] <chaotic> Cimi: no
[17:44] <chaotic> Cimi: we need to do a bit more to it plus we still need to create the radiance equivalent
[17:44] <Cimi> ok
[17:44] <chaotic> Cimi: shouldn't take long though
[17:45] <Cimi> no
[17:45] <Cimi> we must refine the window borders for example
[17:45] <Cimi> for me they look out of place
[17:46] <chaotic> Cimi: they may change slightly but not much
[17:46] <chaotic> Cimi: not sure if we should go more with the newer idea I had
[17:48] <chaotic> Cimi: have to go to a team meeting and I am on holiday tomorrow but I look forward to seeing you next week
[18:01] <Cimi> chaotic: see you on monday for lunch
[18:01] <Cimi> chaotic: get food for me :)
[18:01] <Cimi> I will arrive at 12:30-13 of monday
[18:54] <davidbarth> Cimi: going out, but let me know if you managed to get the argb package running, we'll continue tomorrow
[18:54] <davidbarth> cheers


[03:43] <bjsnider> gord, how much faster is the general usage with sna?
[19:54] <LLStarks> saarvatt, check the experimental gallium package. it doesn't automatically overwrite the 915 .so file upon installation anymore.
[19:54] <LLStarks> ack sarvatt
[19:56] <Sarvatt> LLStarks: it never did, it installs it to /usr/lib/dri-alternates/i915_dri.so which is in the dri searchpath before /usr/lib/dri and empty unless libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental is installed
[19:57] <LLStarks> i swear it did at one point
[19:57] <LLStarks> whatever
[19:57] <LLStarks> thanks
[20:28] <Sarvatt> lool: hey I missed your message until now. I can't upload it (the other was sponsored), please do upload it :)
[20:29] <Sarvatt> it does look like a good idea to me
[22:58] <ksni> is this a support or development channel?
[22:58] <ksni> the topic doesn't tell much
[22:59] <ksni> ping.
[23:00] <highvoltage> ksni: don't you think it will just be more efficient to ask your question rather than just make a contentless ping?
[23:01] <bryceh> ksni, development
[23:01] <ksni> not really, if the question is complex enough
[23:08] <ksni> anyway, my Ubuntu installation on a hard drive, which I recently migrated to a desktop PC, thinks it's still in my laptop and shows the laptop monitor in the configuration screen. how do I get it to move on?
[23:09] <ksni> along witht the currently connected monitor
[23:11] <bryce> rm ~/.config/monitors.xml
[23:11] <bryce> ksni, and that's not a development question
[23:13] <ksni> I know, but I didn't get any response from #ubuntu until I asked "is anyone here?" after 10 minutes of typing long questions
[23:16] <bryce> ksni, your penance can be answering 3 other people's question on #ubuntu then ;-)
[23:17] <ksni> okay
[23:17] <ksni> but this case first
[23:18] <bryce> ksni, did you rm ~/.config/monitors.xml ?
[23:18] <ksni> yes, where should I see change?
[23:19] <ksni> GNOME display configuration box still "detects" the ghost laptop screen
[23:21] <bryce> you may have to restart the tool
[23:21] <ksni> I'm using the graphics thing integrated in a Intel D510MO motherboard
[23:21] <bryce> ksni, beyond this I need to see Xorg.0.log from you
[23:23] <ksni> http://paste.servut.us/plain/iyg5
[23:26] <bryce> ah, one of those laptop mboards upsized to desktop
[23:28] <bryce> ksni, yeah, common issue for this type of motherboard.  you can try fixing it in X via this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Quirks#Ignore%20LVDS%20Output%20Quirk, however it's really a kernel bug
[23:28] <bryce> so for a real fix this is needed:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Quirks#Intel%20Phantom%20LVDS%20Quirks:%20i915/intel_lvds.c
[23:28] <ksni> okay, thanks for this
[23:29] <bryce> the former may only work with KMS turned off, which you can't do anymore with -intel, so YMMV.  That'd be the easiest workaround.
[23:31] <bryce> ksni, regardless of whether the config option works or not, what you need to do is file a bug against the kernel (ubuntu-bug linux) requesting that LVDS be quirked off for your motherboard.  Point to the second link I gave you.  Contact apw who is one of the kernel developers that hacks on graphics stuff.
[23:32] <bryce> if the config option works, you can use that as a workaround.  Another possible workaround is to turn it off using the 'xrandr' command line tool
[23:32] <bryce> xrandr --output LVDS1 --off (see man xrandr for more info)
[23:33] <bryce> however I think that's pretty much the same as the gui tool so YMMV there.
[23:35] <ksni> sure, but...
[23:38] <ksni> Ubuntu uses udev for auto-detecting graphics units and HIDs, does it not? do I lose the automatic detection of changes in hardware by creating /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[23:45] <ksni> anyway, thanks for your time


[02:25] <Hilikus> i'm trying to configure the mythbuntu 0.27 repo via mythbuntu control centre but when i check the checkbox and click apply i get "No changes found."
[02:25] <Hilikus> any way to fix this?
[02:26] <tgm4883> odd
[02:27] <tgm4883> Hilikus: I can't really troubleshoot that right now. What I can do is give you the command to ensure the repo is active
[02:28] <Hilikus> ok, that works too. thank you tgm4883
[02:29] <tgm4883> Hilikus: you should be able to add it by doing 'sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.27'
[02:29] <tgm4883> then just update as normal
[02:32] <Hilikus> tgm4883: let me ask you one more thing. in that repo, is there some kind of stability or it really is just a nightly snapshot of whatever the developers committed?
[02:33] <tgm4883> Hilikus: so what it is, is upstream has multiple branches. They have a master branch and branches for each release of mythtv
[02:33] <tgm4883> fixes go into master, then after some testing they get backported into the 0.27 branch
[02:33] <Hilikus> ah ok, if it's not master then it's ok for me
[02:34] <tgm4883> that repo contains nightly builds of whatever is in the 0.27 branch. So while it is automated builds of a branch, it does have some testing in that the fixes are tested in master first
[02:35] <tgm4883> The 0.28 repo does contain nightly builds from master, only because 0.28 isn't released yet. When 0.28 gets closer to release, an upstream branch for it will be made, we'll move where we're pulling the builds for the 0.28 repo to that new branch, and we'll make a 0.29 repo that points at master
[02:35] <tgm4883> We recommend running the latest released version repo
[02:36] <Hilikus> great. that's what we do at work as well


[00:00] <YoKeSeh> The refresh rate is present in the games
[00:00] <YoKeSeh> stable and limited to 60
[00:01] <pragmaticenigma> YoKeSeh: Did you install the correct driver for your graphics card?
[00:02] <OerHeks> vsync is gone indeed, there are other tricks to try, options nvidia-drm modeset=1
[00:03] <OerHeks> tons of posts like this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2374405
[00:04] <YoKeSeh> pragmaticenigma: recomended for system v390
[00:04] <YoKeSeh> OerHeks:  i go to try it
[00:04] <YoKeSeh> thnks
[00:20] <YoKeSeh> solvent
[00:20] <YoKeSeh> __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0
[00:20] <YoKeSeh> ;)
[01:03] <mducharme> hello.. having a problem
[01:03] <mducharme> networking changes are not taking any effect even after rebooting
[01:04] <mducharme> I get the errors "/sbin/ifup: waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.ens160;" "RTNETLINK answers: File exists"
[01:16] <int3l> hello ppl, does anyone use kmodsign and if so, can you confirm if it works?
[01:17] <int3l> because I wanted to sign the vmware modules vmmon/vmnet and it doesn't work
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> int3l: You'll need to find a different channel for vmware support. The focus here is on Ubuntu and it's distributed software applications
[01:19] <int3l> I guess I should report it as a bug in lpad, since the perl script sign-file
[01:19] <int3l> works
[01:19] <int3l> pragmaticenigma, the sign function doesn't work
[01:19] <int3l> it doesnt have anything to do with the 3rd party module itself
[01:20] <int3l> this is simple signing
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> int3l: You might want to try #ubuntu-kernel ... they're more focused on kernel topics and may prove to be a better resource
[01:23] <OerHeks> kernel-headers etc installed?
[01:27] <ArchDebian> 10 Open Source Stickers for only $1  https://www.stickermule.com/unixstickers  (this is NOT an advertise, this a hint)
[01:27] <lotuspsychje> not here ArchDebian please
[01:27] <xamithan> Can you quit spamming every channel on freenode Arch
[01:27] <leftyfb> ArchDebian: This is a support channel
[01:27] <ArchDebian> lotuspsychje: leftyfb  OK, sorry
[01:28] <OerHeks> try #freenode stickers
[01:28] <ArchDebian> OK
[01:47] <int3l> OerHeks, yes I double checked that the headers are installed
[01:47] <int3l> pragmaticenigma, thanks, I will ask there
[03:27] <YoKeSeh> Hello, I have disabled pulseaudio as it says here:
[03:27] <YoKeSeh> https://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio/HOW-TO:_Disable_PulseAudio_and_use_ALSA_(without_removing_PulseAudio)_for_Ubuntu
[03:27] <YoKeSeh> It is supposed that now I should have sound working with ALSA but it is not like that. How do I activate ALSA? Thank you
[04:52] <LinuxNoob115v> hello
[04:53] <NorthwestVegan> hi
[04:53] <LinuxNoob115v> I need some help
[04:55] <LinuxNoob115v> I'm trying to get a preseed working similar to my configurations in centos for partitioning
[04:55] <LinuxNoob115v> but I can't find any information on how to do it without using lvm and or RAID
[04:57] <NorthwestVegan> hmm not sure
[05:01] <sandwitch> Your using preseed on centos no kickstart?
[05:02] <LinuxNoob115v> Using PXE server to preseed
[05:03] <sandwitch> preseed is an debian/ubuntu tool redhat/centos uses kickstart imho
[05:03] <LinuxNoob115v> Trying to atuomate Ubuntu Install
[05:03] <sandwitch> so no centos
[05:03] <LinuxNoob115v> Yes no centos, was just saying I have a kickstart on the PXE that is similar sorry for the confusion
[05:03] <sandwitch> okay np
[05:05] <sandwitch> and what kin of partitioning do you need?
[05:05] <LinuxNoob115v> Basically I want /boot 500mb on /dev/sda  ,  swap recommended size  and / as rest
[05:05] <sandwitch> s/kin/kind/
[05:05] <LinuxNoob115v> ext4 or xfs
[05:05] <sandwitch> moment
[05:06] <SwedeMike> I tend to use ext4 for /boot and also /, but use xfs for larger data volumes
[05:06] <SwedeMike> so /home is typically xfs
[05:06] <SwedeMike> major downside to xfs is that it can't be shrunk
[05:10] <sandwitch> I think all you need is  "d-i     partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda"
[05:10] <sandwitch> or wherever your disk is
[05:11] <LinuxNoob115v> Well how would I specify the rest?
[05:11] <sandwitch> I think you dont
[05:12] <sandwitch> the installer runsript on the auto script on disk '/dev/sda'
[05:12] <LinuxNoob115v> that kind of sucks
[05:12] <sandwitch> That is a strange sentence sorry
[05:12] <sandwitch> why?
[05:13] <LinuxNoob115v> What if you want a specific setting
[05:17] <sandwitch> Then you need to define that
[05:17] <sandwitch> That is all in the manual
[05:17] <LinuxNoob115v> Which manual are you looking at?
[05:20] <sandwitch> Here are some examples 'https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/example-preseed.txt'
[05:21] <sandwitch> this might be helpfull also 'https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apb.html'
[05:23] <LinuxNoob115v> I looked at those both before asking :\
[05:24] <sandwitch> All the answers are there
[05:24] <LinuxNoob115v> I'll try to re-read it but the examples are for LVM and RAID from what  I saw
[05:26] <sandwitch> search for theis in the latter file 'If not, you can put an entire recipe into the preconfiguration'
[05:27] <sandwitch> ans read it carefully, you can test on a lvm image
[06:02] <mnathani> How would I go about making a deb package for an application like imapsync?
[06:02] <mnathani> It is annoying having to install all its dependencies manually and compile from source each time I want to use it on a new machine
[07:10] <_KaszpiR_> LinuxNoob115v from my experience it's better to have 1GB for boot
[07:19] <_KaszpiR_> LinuxNoob115v you could try something like https://www.tylerlesmann.com/read/fun-preseed
[07:20] <_KaszpiR_> or just use early_command to point to the bash script to execute and add partitioing commands there
[07:22] <samba35> how to convert .app folder to usb bootable pen drive in ubuntu any idea ?
[08:54] <bryanroderyck> hello ubuntu im having problem with XORG or video hw it freezes the screen and restart on grub
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> bryanroderyck: ubuntu version? graphics card chipset & driver version please?
[08:56] <bryanroderyck> its 18.04 bionic beaver ... how to get the info or my graphc card and driver please
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> bryanroderyck: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a && ubuntu-drivers list
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> in a pastebin please bryanroderyck tnx
[09:02] <bryanroderyck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PKZkBr6B4k/
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> your system is not up to date bryanroderyck
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | bryanroderyck please try
[09:27] <nikolam> I see snap for Ubuntu Skype is not updated yet, even it advertise update is available. (Also have Desktop Skype installed). Should I just wait for updated Skype snap to land for Ubuntu?
[09:29] <nikolam> I am on 18.10 , I can't move to 19.04 because I have audio cracking every few minutes (initializing i suppose) Bug in 18.04 that makes 19.04 unusable for audio on my Intel ICH7 motherboard
[09:29] <nikolam> Bug in 19.04, sorry
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: snap issues are reported to the snap maintainer
[09:30] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, snaps for Ubuntu are maintained by Ubuntu or not?
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: you can check that with: snap info snapname
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: the contact: section
[09:31] <nikolam> it says, contact:   https://www.skype.com/ .
[09:32] <nikolam> So it goes for all the snaps. They are compiled and created by external people
[09:32] <rory> those snaps are provided by Microsoft themselves
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: some snaps are maintained by canonical
[09:33] <nikolam> How to differentiate before install?
[09:33] <rory> even if the snap was maintained by Canonical, the update process for snaps is not tied to the normal packages
[09:33] <rory> so you would still have to wait
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: you are the admin of your system, you decide what you install and what not right
[09:34] <rory> so yes, you can wait for the snap to update. Or you can install Skype from the official repository (Scroll down on this page) https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-skype-ubuntu-18-04-lts-desktop
[09:35] <rory> i'm npot sure if the version in that repo has even been updated to the latest upstream Skype version.
[09:36] <nikolam> I have seen on their snap page that there is newer version but I think it is not considered stable, that is why it tells there is newer.
[09:36] <nikolam> There's some drop-down menu to show it on their site.
[09:36] <rory> did you actually try to run snap refresh skype
[09:36] <rory> and see if it installs an update?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> snaps already auto refresh
[09:36] <rory> oh sorry
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> you can see that in syslog from time to time
[09:37] <nikolam> what do you mean autorefresh? they update themselves , by themselves?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> yes
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> thats why your snap icons update themselfs at random times
[09:38] <rory> that sounds potentially bad but tbh i've never used snaps
[09:38] <nikolam> Sounds like hard to maintain such systems.
[09:38] <rory> i definitely wouldn't a long-running service being upgraded at an unpredictable time
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> lets move this to #ubuntu-discuss please
[09:38] <rory> but anyway. maybe there's an option in snap to upgrade to a non-stable version of skype?
[09:39] <nikolam> rory, yes, one can click on their on-site drop-down menu to get newer one, but is not stable. As said.  #ubuntu-discuss
[09:40] <nikolam> Other then that, I can confirm my ICH7 audio cracks with reinitializing all the time when on 19.04 , that is why I am still on 18.10
[09:49] <easyOnMe> hello everyone
[09:49] <easyOnMe> can some help me with this problem:https://pastebin.com/3zU2hQtD
[09:53] <bryanroderyck> sorry lotuspschje im updating but i my laptop was overheating and switching off
[09:54] <bryanroderyck> lotuspsychje
[10:00] <blackflow> easyOnMe: please pastebin  journalctl -eu apache2.service
[10:09] <easyOnMe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z6c89FpHzX/
[10:09] <easyOnMe> blackflow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z6c89FpHzX/
[10:10] <thsnr> easyOnMe: you already have some other program listening on port 80
[10:12] <easyOnMe> thsnr: how do I know that program and how do I disable it
[10:15] <thsnr> easyOnMe: sudo lsof -i :80
[10:16] <easyOnMe> thsnr: ok I got it already
[10:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:50] <nonix4> how do I convince whoopsie that I'm online, besides the usual first step of uninstalling NetworkManager? whoopsie[1555]: [13:45:44] Not online; processing later (/var/crash/_usr_bin_gnome-control-center.1000.crash).
[10:53] <BluesKaj> nonix4, you can try disabling network-manager if you don't use it
[10:56] <nonix4> BluesKaj: yes, mostly using netplan with "renderer: networkd" on Ubuntu these days, but just wondering how to actually report all those bugs that keep me away from NetworkManager when they tend to be hiding behind the "Not online" mentioned above?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> nonix4, I don't use either NM or netplan (renderer is commented) , using ifupdown and the dhcp settings in the interfaces file with no notificarions
[10:59] <bryanroderyck> hi im still having te problem laptop switching off on start up and then start on grub ..also system errror when desktop start
[10:59] <bryanroderyck> already done update
[11:05] <nonix4> BluesKaj: Yup, ifupdown is mature unlike those the more recent alternatives. Just wondering how things like whoopsie and "Software Updater" end up thinking networking is offline when it isn't.
[11:07] <BluesKaj> nonix4, maybe it looks at the interfaces file, do you have it set up?
[11:07] <bryanroderyck> did someone get my question?
[11:12] <nonix4> BluesKaj: if so, then that'd be a reportable bug :) That one contains only localhost on anything utilizing netplan I guess.
[11:12] <nonix4> *loopback
[11:14] <BluesKaj> nonix4, check pm
[11:31]  * BluesKaj shrugs, i guess netplan it is then
[12:51] <GH0sta> which is the best VPN service?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> !polls | GH0sta
[13:00] <GH0sta> ?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> GH0sta, no polling here, if you have an ubuntu question then ask it
[13:17] <OerHeks> !info openvpn
[13:19] <ChunkzZ> what does Tertiary DNS mean?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> ChunkzZ, your 3rd DNS choice
[13:20] <ChunkzZ> I only have one dns set but my ISP is setting another BluesKaj can I change it through NM?
[13:21] <ChunkzZ> I only want one DNS active.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> ISP DNS setting is probly in your router
[13:21] <ChunkzZ> yeah it's not. :/
[13:22] <OerHeks> same as in Debian, ChunkzZ
[13:22] <ChunkzZ> oh well, as long as I can use <IP_ADDRESS> I'm good. just wanted to know what teraity meant. lol
[13:22] <ChunkzZ> thank you BluesKaj and OerHeks :)
[13:24] <BluesKaj> ChunkzZ, the idea is to ahve backup DNSA choices in case the first one fails
[13:24] <BluesKaj> err DNS
[13:26] <bryanroderyck> why in ubuntu 18.04 there no toolbar for "file etc"?
[13:27] <OerHeks> bryanroderyck, there is, if your mouse is focussed on filemanager, there is a menu on the top panel
[13:27] <OerHeks> and a menu next to min/max/close
[13:28] <bryanroderyck> but its different from ubuntu 16
[13:28] <bryanroderyck> when i use firefox there is no bar at the top
[13:28] <OerHeks> that is the beauty of gnome3
[13:29] <bryanroderyck> can i change the gnome setting please...
[13:29] <OerHeks> firefox has its own menu, at the same place
[13:29] <bryanroderyck> how to remove these setting
[13:30] <OerHeks> i guess you can not.
[13:30] <bryanroderyck> ahhhhhhhhhh i hit my head on the wall
[13:31] <bryanroderyck> there no setting in ubuntu 18.04 for gnome ?
[13:32] <bryanroderyck> can i revert to ubuntu 16.04?
[13:33] <OerHeks> revert would be reinstall
[13:33] <BluesKaj> bryanroderyck, rightclick at the top in nautilus choose toolbar settings
[13:33] <bryanroderyck> ahhhh
[13:35] <bryanroderyck> there no toolbar option!
[13:36] <BluesKaj> dumb gnome....
[13:36] <bryanroderyck> there must be a solution
[13:37] <OerHeks> the toolbar /menu is there, on the to panel, get used to it, or install something else, kde, mate, xubuntu..
[13:37] <OerHeks> !flavors
[13:40] <bryanroderyck> thanks
[14:51] <bongfrog> hum seem to be having a mate boot issue this AM   Begin: Waiting fro root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-block ... done.   done.    thedn    Gave up waiting for root file system device ...       ALERT!   /dev/mapper/ubuntu--mate--vg-root  does not exist
[14:51] <bongfrog> anyone have any ideas?    I am able to mount when booting to a live instance and the drive looks fine...
[14:51] <bongfrog> seems liek the LVM lv is not able to be read by the kernel?
[15:01] <L0g4nAd4ms> Is there a way to install a specific version of snap, that means an older version from stable not a version from a different channel?
[15:02] <OerHeks> L0g4nAd4ms, check the snapcraft page for available versions
[15:02] <OerHeks> nobody can tell without the snap name
[15:03] <L0g4nAd4ms> i need a specific version of chromium, 65
[15:04] <OerHeks> oh, those old versions are deleted long time ago
[15:05] <OerHeks> maybe you can find the source on launchpad, but building that, you are on your own https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/65.0.3325.181-0ubuntu1
[15:21] <bryanroderyck> hi im having a message saying "system program problem detected" from icon update-notifier ...also i have this startup problem that start on grub..can someone help me please
[15:27] <bryanroderyck> Walex
[15:34] <bryanroderyck> hello
[15:36] <tomreyn> hi bryanroderyck. which ubuntu version is this?
[15:37] <bryanroderyck> hi there im running 18.04 with lot of problem
[15:37] <bryanroderyck> its has problem when it start with the graphic card i presume
[15:38] <tomreyn> "system program problem detected" is a mechanism which enables you to reposrt critical issues with your ubuntu installation so they can be examined and (hopefully) fixed.
[15:38] <tomreyn> are you able to reach the graphical desktop at this time?
[15:39] <bryanroderyck> yes i am on ubuntu graphic now
[15:40] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: okay, let's go over things one by one. first, you said "i have this startup problem that start on grub". what is the grub issue exactly?
[15:41] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: are you busy right now, would you prefer working on this later?
[15:41] <bryanroderyck> it doesnt start automatically it does some eerorr\
[15:42] <bryanroderyck> sorry im here no worry
[15:42] <tomreyn> reboot, and note down the error message, or take a screen shot with your mobile phone and upload it.
[15:42] <bryanroderyck> the screen freezes there no error message when freeze
[15:43] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: but you were still able to boot fine?
[15:44] <tomreyn> or do you have to reboot when this happens, and properly booting to the graphical desktop only works sometimes?
[15:44] <bryanroderyck> yes it take ages to start now and when i am on ubuntu i have error message
[15:44] <tomreyn> "i have error message" unfortunately does not help in diagnosing issues. we'll need to see the very error message, or have you describe the error conditions precisely.
[15:45] <bryanroderyck> it nly says error doesnt describe it
[15:46] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: ok, what we can try instead now is to generally look into your system's health. would you like to do so?
[15:46] <bryanroderyck> yes please sir
[15:47] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: no need to call me "sir". ;-)  please run this and report the output:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[15:47] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: then this:  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[15:48] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: and finally this:  journalctl -b -p4 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:49] <bryanroderyck> https://termbin.com/btxc
[15:50] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: thanks, this one looks fine, now let's see the other two.
[15:51] <bryanroderyck> https://termbin.com/nu09
[15:52] <bryanroderyck> https://termbin.com/o068
[15:52] <bryanroderyck> its graphic card that do this error on the start
[15:54] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: what does rhis report?   dpkg --print-architecture; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[15:54] <tomreyn> *this
[15:55] <bryanroderyck> i386
[15:56] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: you run an i386 (32-bit) user space although your cpu is apparently x86_64 (64-bit) compatible. is this intentional?
[15:56] <bryanroderyck> yes its 32bit
[15:56] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: why?
[15:57] <bryanroderyck> cause on 64 bit it overheat and doesnt run
[15:57] <bryanroderyck> i dont knnow why
[15:58] <tomreyn> if it overheats, you may need to install software to manage the temperature, but i'd normally recommend 64-bit on 64-bit capabler hardware.
[15:58] <bryanroderyck> it doesnt work at all
[15:59] <bryanroderyck> i have tried ubuntu 64 bit it doesnt work
[15:59] <blackflow> there's no reason 64-bit mode would overheat like that and 32-bit wouldn't, unless the cpu die is faulty.
[15:59] <blackflow> (which would also explain the other issues)
[16:00] <bryanroderyck> what is the cpu die?
[16:00] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: this is too imprecise for me to comment on, i'm afraid. can you post the output of this as well?    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:00] <bryanroderyck> https://termbin.com/p13b
[16:01] <tomreyn> this is a Dell Inc. Inspiron N5010/0WXY9J, BIOS A15 07/19/2011 - have you checked for firmware updates?
[16:02] <bryanroderyck> no is there something for it
[16:02] <bryanroderyck> :)
[16:04] <tomreyn> you should try tro find out, since the system log suggestes so
[16:04] <bryanroderyck> i google it nothing yet
[16:05] <bryanroderyck> how to udate this firmware
[16:06] <tomreyn> looks like you have the latest
[16:06] <OerHeks> Inspiron N5010 + bios gives https://www.dell.com/support/home/nl/nl/nlbsdt1/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r309292
[16:06] <OerHeks> and the howto
[16:06] <bryanroderyck> oops
[16:06] <tomreyn> though this puzzles me:  Release date: 24 Jul 2011, Last Updated: 05 Mar 2014
[16:07] <Chaekyung> tomreyn: sometimes that's an update to the page it's on
[16:08] <tomreyn> yes, probably (hopefully)
[16:09] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: have you tried the !HWE kernel?
[16:09] <tomreyn> !hwe | bryanroderyck
[16:09] <bryanroderyck> no
[16:09] <tomreyn> give it a try, maybe it'll work better
[16:09] <bryanroderyck> im new to these term
[16:10] <tomreyn> that's why there's a link to the wiki there, explaining it
[16:10] <OerHeks> HWE is for 64 bit only?
[16:10] <tomreyn> is it? oh
[16:10] <OerHeks> .. not sure. .
[16:10] <bryanroderyck> 16.04 is 32 bit
[16:11] <bryanroderyck> can i revert to 16.04 without installing
[16:11] <tomreyn> you run ubuntu 18.04.2 i386
[16:12] <bryanroderyck> yes im running 18.04 in 32 bit
[16:12] <tomreyn> well see if you can install hwe kernel + x, and whether it helps.
[16:13] <bryanroderyck> its not dangerous?
[16:13] <tomreyn> no, you can always switch back to the current kernel (which will remain installed) on the advanced grub menu
[16:14] <tomreyn> you now run a 4.15 kernel, HWE would get you a 4.18 kernel.
[16:15] <bryanroderyck> ok then ...thanks very much ..see ya
[16:16] <tomreyn> 18.04 is the last ubuntu LTS release to support 32-bit, so you should really consider trying to make amd64 work, though.
[16:18] <michael-kohlhaas> 32bit is definitly eol
[16:21] <leftyfb> michael-kohlhaas: 32bit is not EOL
[16:21] <truexfan81> i'm on ubuntu 19.04 nvidia-settings running as root is for some reason unable to write to the x config file, how do i fix this?
[16:21] <leftyfb> tomreyn: there is still 32bit support for every release of Ubuntu. There just isn't full desktop and server iso's for them
[16:22] <michael-kohlhaas> it is! it's deprecated and nearly all major distros will phase out the ix86 support
[16:22] <truexfan81> "Unable to open x config file '/etc/x11/xorg.conf' for writing."
[16:23] <tomreyn> leftyfb: did you spot this "WARNING!" though? https://termbin.com/o068
[16:23] <leftyfb> michael-kohlhaas: again, every release of ubuntu, including the latest, has support for 32bit
[16:23] <truexfan81> i launched nvidia-settings from terminal using sudo nvidia-settings, so it should be able to open the file and write to it
[16:24] <leftyfb> tomreyn: sure, that's probably been there for a long time, and rightly so. Why run a 32bit OS on hardware that supports 64bit?
[16:24] <tomreyn> leftyfb: that's exactly what i said. i also did not say anything other than what you stated about 32-bit support
[16:24] <michael-kohlhaas> leftyfb: it's the support of a dead one.
[16:27] <kk4ewt> michael-kohlhaas; show me the phase out the ix86 support
[16:29] <kk4ewt> x86_32 yes but x86 includes x86_64
[16:29] <michael-kohlhaas> i_X_86
[16:29] <michael-kohlhaas> you can add a 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 in it
[16:29] <michael-kohlhaas> for the x
[16:34] <michael-kohlhaas> redhat already dropped it, suse already dropped it. (you shouldn't use it anymore)
[16:35] <michael-kohlhaas> leftyfb: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/disco/release/  <- no i386
[16:35] <bryanroderyck> dont use 18.04 32 bit?
[16:40] <michael-kohlhaas> bryanroderyck: if you have a 64bit processor - you should use a 64bit system.
[16:42] <bryanroderyck> yes i would like to..hope this HWE works ..
[16:43] <bryanroderyck> so i just need to restart to see if doesnt crash the screen?
[16:44] <michael-kohlhaas> do you really need the hwe-kernel?
[16:44] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: your system also seem to be affected by this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/1767968 - see those   "systemd-udevd: Process 'hid2hci --method=dell --devpath=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.6/2-1.6.2/2-1.6.2:1.0' failed with exit code 1."  messages in your log: https://termbin.com/o068
[16:48] <bryanroderyck> the HWE is over ...can i restart now?
[16:49] <michael-kohlhaas> bryanroderyck: dare you
[16:50] <bryanroderyck> ok i go for ti now
[16:54] <b1ack0p> hi
[16:55] <b1ack0p> is there free vpn for ubuntu?
[16:55] <michael-kohlhaas> openvpn is in universe (afairr)
[16:56] <Netwolf> b1ack0p: https://github.com/hwdsl2/setup-ipsec-vpn
[16:56] <Netwolf> best option imo
[16:56] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: do you mean free vpn software, or a free "anonymizing" vpn service?
[16:57] <b1ack0p> tomreyn: vpn service
[16:57] <b1ack0p> free secure to use browsing
[16:57] <b1ack0p> and not logging
[16:57] <michael-kohlhaas> tor
[16:57] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: ubuntu does not provide such services.
[16:57] <Netwolf> tomreyn: yes it does
[16:57] <b1ack0p> any 3rd party?
[16:57] <Netwolf> b1ack0p: https://github.com/hwdsl2/setup-ipsec-vpn
[16:57] <b1ack0p> Netwolf: yea is it good and safe?
[16:58] <tomreyn> !ot | Netwolf, b1ack0p
[16:59] <Netwolf> tomreyn: ubuntu is distro.Ques about running a vpn are absolutely relavent
[16:59] <Netwolf> perhaps you should read these
[16:59] <tomreyn> Netwolf: b1ack0p is not inquiring about running a vpn server. the github page you pointed to provides software for setting up a vpn server.
[16:59] <b1ack0p> tomreyn: i guess my CapsLock request is ignored :/
[17:00] <Netwolf> 09:55 <b1ack0p> is there free vpn for ubuntu?
[17:00] <Netwolf> that was the quest i replied to
[17:01] <Netwolf> clearly he is not technically competant perhaps to discuss openvpn vs ipsec/l2tp but i thought it was an okay reply :)
[17:01] <tomreyn> Netwolf: okay. but as b1ack0p explained later, they are looking for a service, provided by ubuntu, for ip address anonimyzation. ubuntu does not provide such services.
[17:02] <Netwolf> oh i apologize then
[17:02] <bryanroderyck> tomreyn : it switch off several time with message cpu treshold
[17:02] <b1ack0p> yes i need service to hide my real ip
[17:02] <Netwolf> i saw the question and thought it pertained to him wanting a vpn serer
[17:02] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: not here
[17:02] <b1ack0p> ok
[17:03] <tomreyn> !alis | b1ack0p
[17:03] <Netwolf> i dont understand why you cant run a vpn server to provide ip anonymzation
[17:04] <truexfan81> does 19.04 have a package for MonoDevelop? i can't find it
[17:05] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: see the bug report i pointed you to
[17:05] <tomreyn> it discusses possible couinter measures
[17:05] <tomreyn> (those may or may not work for you without further modifications)
[17:06] <tomreyn> truexfan81: i think monodevelop packages were removed off ubuntu a while ago.
[17:07] <tomreyn> xenial (16.04) still has one, but i think it's broken.
[17:07] <bryanroderyck> i cant find it which one is it?
[17:07] <truexfan81> can't build the hexchat theme manager without it, so that sux
[17:08] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: are you talking to me? if so, which what is what?
[17:09] <tomreyn> truexfan81: building mono software should still be possible, monodevelop is just an IDE, isn't it?
[17:10] <tomreyn> also, you could try finding a !PPA or third party (maybe the developers provide one?) !APT repository or !snap
[17:11] <bryanroderyck> tomreyn ;im reading the launchpad but i not a developper..im newbie
[17:12] <bryanroderyck> can you help me with this firmware problem?
[17:13] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: which one? there's no newer "bios" available for your computer.
[17:14] <bryanroderyck> ok what can be done to prevent it overheating if possible
[17:16] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: see "for those looing for a quick fix" on comment 7 of this bug report.
[17:16] <bryanroderyck> im reading this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/1767968
[17:16] <OerHeks> bryanroderyck, so did you update the bios?
[17:16] <tomreyn> bryanroderyck: i need to leave for now.
[17:17] <bryanroderyck> no i didnt do it myself ..i dont know if someone else before me did
[17:17] <bryanroderyck> thanks tomreyn
[17:18] <bryanroderyck> i did the HWE
[17:18] <OerHeks> without bios update, i gave you the url, any errors could be bios related, as your first posts give
 the instruction are not in english
[17:21] <bryanroderyck> https://www.dell.com/support/home/nl/nl/nlbsdt1/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r309292
[17:22] <OerHeks> https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r309292
[17:23] <OerHeks> dell site language changes on base of location, silly site
[17:25] <bryanroderyck> im from mauritius you must be from netherland
[17:27] <bryanroderyck> i have usb but im not sure if it DOS bootable?

[17:30] <OerHeks> format that usb in fat32, will do
[17:32] <bryanroderyck> sorry ubuntu doest detect the usb
[17:46] <bryanroderyck> how to format a usb in fat 32 on ubuntu?
[17:48] <OerHeks> open disks, any usb device should be shown there
[17:49] <bryanroderyck> i dont have open disk
[17:50] <mia> Hello channel
[17:50] <mia> anyone using Adobe CC 2019 on wine?
[17:50] <OerHeks> disks utility, in your menu
[17:50] <mia> I'm trying to install and getting a "minimum reuired os is windows 7" error
[17:51] <OerHeks> mia, support for wine in #winehq please
[17:51] <OerHeks> !wine
[17:51] <mattfly> hi, im using the nvidia proprietary drivers and i get all sort of weird rendering issues when resuming, both from hibernation and suspend. https://ibb.co/znrz1FT https://ibb.co/jzqwpBp
[17:51] <mattfly> sometimes changing the screens size works, but not for blender at all.
[17:52] <mia> OerHeks, I see --- maybe a wineless solution?
[17:53] <OerHeks> really, wineless solution for windows prop software?
[17:53] <mia> mhm
[17:55] <OerHeks> their database says 'gold'... https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=37541
[17:55] <OerHeks> dunno
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> mia: The only options for running a Windows based program in linux is to use Wine or install a virtual machine environment that runs Windows to which you can install your program. The limitation of the programs ability to run in a Linux environment is not the fault of Linux or Ubuntu, but the developer of the software and their choice to not support the platform. When you downloaded/purchased the software you were informed of
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> what computing platforms were supported and that is all that the application officially supports. Without tools to provide the same operating environment to the application, it simply will not run on an Operating System it was not designed for. If you have further concerns, then you should be contacting the company that sold you the software for additional support.
[18:26] <elias_a> mia: Install the required windows on a virtual machine.
[19:07] <kappa1> hi! I want to format the whole drive of a computer I have with ubuntu live CD, should I use command wipe or just perform slow format ?
[19:09] <compdoc> slect the option during the installer to format the drive
[19:09] <kappa1> compdoc, but I want to make sure my date isn't recoverable
[19:09] <compdoc> use the whole disk
[19:09] <kappa1> and I do not want to install ubuntu, just perform the format
[19:09] <compdoc> its a hard dive?
[19:09] <kappa1> yes
[19:10] <kappa1> 1TB hard drive
[19:10] <compdoc> there are programs to run to zero the drive, if you need all traces removed
[19:10] <ioria> kappa1, sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX bs=4K    (and take a vacation )
[19:10] <kappa1> compdoc, that's what full format should do right ?
[19:11] <compdoc> no
[19:11] <kappa1> compdoc, what do you mean? slow format should zero the blocks
[19:13] <compdoc> the secure erase programs tend to triple erase and write to all sectors, etc.
[19:13] <kappa1> the command "wipe" should  do that right ?
[19:13] <kappa1> WIPE(1)                                                       User Commands                                                      WIPE(1)
[19:13] <kappa1> NAME
[19:13] <kappa1>        wipe - securely erase files from magnetic media
[19:13] <kk4ewt> because there was a theory that media retained a memory
[19:13] <compdoc> possible - I dont know it. but if you say it does, then cool
[19:14] <kk4ewt> never been proved
[19:14] <kk4ewt> most of those programs just dd  to dev/zero and /dev/urandon
[19:14] <kk4ewt> most of those programs just dd  to dev/zero and /dev/urandom
[19:16] <sappheiros> multiple IRC clients in muon package manager say 'canonical does not provide updates': is there an IRC client canonical provides updates for?
[19:16] <kappa1> was reading this on google: " The problem with using OS level commands such sa DD is that they will only erase blocks seen by the OS. Any spare blocks (especial"
[19:17] <ioria> kappa1, provide that source, please
[19:17] <kappa1> https://askubuntu.com/questions/359540/securely-erase-hard-drive-using-the-disk-utility
[19:18] <tomreyn> kappa1: you can do this in addition to using wipe / shred: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase - note the warnings.
[19:21] <kappa1> tomreyn, that shoudn't be necessary after a wipe
[19:21] <ioria> kappa1, the command i posted above will take 3 days to complete ... i'am still inclined to trust it
[19:21] <tomreyn> kappa1: you just pointed to an article which explains why it can be
[19:23] <tomreyn> kappa1: for the future, consider using full disk encryption if you'd prefer not having to handle such delicate situations in the future.
[19:24] <kappa1> 3 days to complete?
[19:24] <ioria> almost
[19:24] <kappa1> I though 12 hours should be enough for a 1 TB disk
[19:24] <kappa1> tomreyn, my disk is encrypted
[19:24] <tomreyn> kappa1: how?
[19:24] <kappa1> it's encryptfs
[19:24] <kappa1> of the home folder
[19:25] <kappa1> where my data is
[19:25] <tomreyn> hmm, well, it's a lot better than nothing already.
[19:25] <kk4ewt> i use a live iso with scrub  -fp dod /dev/sda
[19:26] <kappa1> tomreyn, slow format should be enough then right ?
[19:26] <tomreyn> what is a "slow format"?
[19:26] <ioria> gdisk option
[19:27] <tomreyn> i have no idea what this does.
[19:27] <kappa1> tomreyn, when you install ubuntu you have option to do a format
[19:28] <kappa1> ioria, people are saying it takes about 10 hours for 1 TB drive with DD
[19:28] <tomreyn> the term "format" nowadays usually refers to initializing a file system.
[19:28] <ioria> kappa1, dd ... what ? zero or urandom ?
[19:28] <tomreyn> depending on the file system, this may not delete any data at all.
[19:29] <kappa1> with sth like this: $sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda count=1
[19:29] <ioria> kappa1, it's not the same....
[19:29] <OerHeks> bs=4M would speed up
[19:30] <ioria> kappa1, ok, let's try it
[19:30] <kappa1> ok, rebooting to live CD
[19:30] <tomreyn> using urandom for overwriting a storage is over-the-top IMO.
[19:30] <kappa1> thanks for your assistance
[19:30] <OerHeks> but wiping an encrypted thingy, just zero the first GB
[19:30] <kappa1> I agree
[19:30] <kappa1> yes it's a waste the dd command to wipe encrypted thing
[19:30] <tomreyn> overwrite with a pattern, once or twice. and, more importantly, do ata secure erase (if you can risk a faulty firmware implementation breaking the storage)
[19:31] <OerHeks> make coffee
[19:32] <ioria> kappa1, what's your cpu ?
[19:32] <kappa1> 3.0 GHz
[19:32] <kappa1> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7600  @ 3.06GHz
[19:33] <kappa1> rebooting... I am gonna start the wipe. Thanks guys
[19:33] <ioria> kappa1, good luck
[19:33] <rkta> My default app for pdfs seems to be chrome, where can I find this setting and change it? Running a server install with i3.
[19:34] <OerHeks> choose open with; choose application, select evince ( standard on gnome3)
[19:35] <OerHeks> oh, i3 ..
[19:35] <rkta> I'd prefer a solution for console :)
[19:36] <ioria> rkta, i usually cp /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache   in ~/.local/shatre/applications    and edit it
[19:38] <Jonta> rkta: Does this work for you? 2nd answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/61641/how-to-change-the-default-program-for-pdf-only-for-current-user
[19:39] <rkta> ioria: Good to know, thx. Unfortunately in this file chrome is not bound to pdf, gotta look somewhere else. Thanks anyway
[19:40] <rkta> Jonta: Already found that, but wanted to know where the setting is set, not just override it
[19:43] <rkta> Is .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list only read during log in? Or everytime I open a file?
[19:44] <ioria> rkta, when you're logged in
[19:44] <rkta> Can I force a reread?
[19:45] <ioria> rkta, log/out - in
[19:46] <rkta> Feels windowish :)
[19:46] <ioria> rkta, restart wm /de
[19:48] <rkta> I'll wait till I have to, thanks, keep it up
[19:49] <NewToLubuntu> does anyone know if there is a way to non-collapse multiple instances of firefox on the bottom?
[19:50] <NewToLubuntu> when I split my tabs into different windows I wish I could more easily click between them using the option but it always displays "(2) Firefox") and requires 2-step clicking
[19:57] <tomreyn> NewToLubuntu: try to /join #lubuntu
[19:57] <Worm_> Hello, I've just purchased a new laptop that comes with no OS and so I decided to go with Ubuntu. But I'm at my wits end. After the installation, I can't get into the OS, I'm stuck at /dev/... clean etc.
[19:58] <Worm_> I've done my best to trouble shoot but nothing seems to be working. The laptop is an ASUS TUF FX505 with AMD specs. Most things I've read pointed at a graphics card issue. can anyone offer any insight?
[20:00] <YoKeSeh> Hi all, someone been able to make FL Studio 20 fully functional in Ubuntu? Thnks
[20:01] <OerHeks> YoKeSeh, apple prop software ? https://www.image-line.com/flstudio/
[20:03] <YoKeSeh> no apple
[20:04] <OerHeks> oh, there is windows version too.. try wine and get support in #winehq
[20:05] <OerHeks> !wine
[20:07] <YoKeSeh> Okay, I was also waiting for a channel user to have it installed
[20:07] <YoKeSeh> but thks
[20:12] <Bashing-om> Worm_: Have you done the basic checks - verify the ISO integrity and the copy to the install meddium ?. These verified we can move on to next steps in a procedure.
[20:14] <Worm_> Bashing-om, yes, I have
[20:15] <TJ-> Worm_: have you edited the kernel command-line from the GRUB bootloader menu, and tried the Advanced > Recovery option?
[20:16] <TJ-> Worm_: s/and/or/
[20:16] <Worm_> I've managed to boot in by adding the modeset to 0
[20:16] <TJ-> Worm_: Your description suggests the systemd-init is stuck waiting for a device to be ready
[20:17] <Worm_> Yes, from what I've mananged to gather from looking online, it seems to be a GPU issue
[20:18] <TJ-> Worm_: if you're in, can you do "pastebinit <( journalctl -b -1 -p warning )"
[20:18] <Worm_> Unfortunatly, I'm using another computer to use the IRC
[20:20] <TJ-> Worm_: can you SSH into the other PC ?
[20:20] <Worm_> I cannot
[20:25] <Worm_> TJ-_: the jounal command returned /dev/fd/63
[20:27] <kristenbb> hi, how do i update flash from chrome? it's saying it's out of date...
[20:31] <OerHeks> kristenbb, do not believe that site.
[20:32] <OerHeks> and please do *NOT* paste the url here :-P
[20:32] <mead> kristenbb:  chrome updates its itself to have the last version of flash
[20:33] <OerHeks> the message 'not installed' can be valid, clicking that gives an message box: enable flash ... but not up2date .. no
[20:46] <kristenbb> mead: this is not the case though, i am 2 versions behing
[20:46] <kristenbb> behind
[20:47] <kristenbb> OerHeks: what do you mean, i'm not talking about any site, it's a chrome message: my flash plugin is just not up to date
[20:49] <OerHeks> flash plugin installer in restricted extras is up2date.
[20:49] <OerHeks> so, make a screenshot please
[20:50] <kristenbb> my flash player is 30.0.... whereas the latest is 32.0
[20:50] <kristenbb> a screenshot of what? the warning message from Chrome?
[20:51] <OerHeks> oh, what ubuntu version is thius?
[20:51] <kristenbb> 1804
[20:52] <OerHeks> all supported ubuntu versions are @ <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:52] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/
[20:52] <kristenbb> so what does that mean, how do i fix my problem?
[20:52] <OerHeks> run full-upgrade, zillions updates pending i guess
[20:52] <kristenbb> none
[20:52] <OerHeks> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:53] <kristenbb> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:53] <OerHeks> remove with purge and reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[20:54] <kristenbb> remove what
[20:54] <OerHeks> but flash not up2date, that warning i do not trust in chrome
[20:54] <kristenbb> well it is true, since my version is 30.0 whereas latest is 32.0
[20:55] <kristenbb> so what should i do, and how?
[20:55] <OerHeks> remove with purge and reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[20:55] <kristenbb> how
[20:56] <OerHeks> softwarecenter perhaps?
[20:56] <OerHeks> synaptic
[20:56] <kristenbb> what to remove though?
[21:04] <kristenbb> Can someone please help me?
[21:04] <m_ad[m]> kristenbb: read properly what OerHeks suggested you to do
[21:05] <m_ad[m]> is it really that hard to understand?
[21:05] <kristenbb> m_ad[m] I didn't get what I am to remove
[21:05] <kristenbb> m_ad[m] you don't have to be mean :(. I'm just here trying to get support
[21:05] <kristenbb> not everyone is tech savvy
[21:05] <m_ad[m]> i'm not mean it's just how you read it
[21:06] <kristenbb> can you please help me? what am I to remove? I still didn't get it
[21:06] <OerHeks> flashplugin-nonfree .. and i posted the url earlier..
[21:06] <m_ad[m]> sudo apt purge flashplugin-nonfree
[21:06] <rypervenche> kristenbb: purge means "apt purge flashplugin-nonfree" and then install it again, "apt install flashplugin-nonfree".
[21:06] <OerHeks> and restart your browser after removal,ofcourse
[21:06] <rypervenche> sudo in front of course for both commands.
[21:07] <m_ad[m]> and you do that in the terminal of course
[21:08] <kristenbb> so I just wrote sudo apt purge flashplugin-nonfree
[21:08] <kristenbb> it said (amongst other things): Note, selecting 'flashplugin-installer' instead of 'flashplugin-nonfree'
[21:08] <kristenbb> however I still have flash working on chrome after that
[21:08] <OerHeks> ...really?
[21:09] <kristenbb> yes
[21:09] <EriC^^> isnt flash built in to chrome?
[21:09] <OerHeks> quit chrome session..
[21:09] <EriC^^> and chromium is the one without flash by default?
[21:10] <kristenbb> well i wouldn't know for sure the difference between chrome and chromium, but it's one of those
[21:11] <OerHeks> i dunno EriC^^, chrome never complaints about not up2date flash, just forces html5
[21:11] <EriC^^> chrome has a built in flash, you dont usually install any packages for flash with it
[21:11] <kristenbb> I also still have flash on firefox, and it's 32.0 as opposed to 30.0 on chrome. It seems there are multiple versions installed, and also seems that apt purge didn't remove any of them
[21:12] <jeremy31> kristenbb: If you have chrome, flash is disabled by default, if you see "not secure" to the left of the URL, click on "not secure" and enable flash
[21:12] <kristenbb> jeremy31: i can enable it, that's not the issue. The issue is it's out of date
[21:13] <jeremy31> kristenbb: I doubt it is out of date
[21:13] <kristenbb> jeremy31: it certainly is, it's 30.0 instead of 32.0. And I have a warning about just that
[21:14] <promille> Hi. Theres no way for Virtualbox (with guest additions and extension pack running Ubuntu 19.04) to "capture" an PCI-based Wireless adapter, as it can with USB Wireless Adapters? Host is Windows. Thanks!
[21:15] <EriC^^> kristenbb: well, see if there's a newer version of google-chrome-stable available, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install google-chrome-stable
[21:15] <EriC^^> kristenbb: since it's built-in to chrome, downloader the latest chrome package should include whatever latest flash they are offering
[21:15] <EriC^^> *downloading
[21:16] <OerHeks> i like a screenshot please
[21:16] <kristenbb> OerHeks: a screenshot of what?
[21:16] <kristenbb> EriC^^: i think i have chromium, not chrome
[21:16] <OerHeks> of chrome/chromium saying flash v30
[21:17] <EriC^^> kristenbb: type "dpkg -l | grep chrom | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link here
[21:19] <kristenbb> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/hFEC1nUs
[21:21] <EriC^^> kristenbb: fwiw, it says for me google chrome's flash is out of date as well, mine says version 31
[21:22] <EriC^^> in this site https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html
[21:22] <kristenbb> EriC^^  well and isn't that a problem, since the latest version is 32.0, and in firefox, i have 32.0 ?
[21:22] <EriC^^> kristenbb: yeah you're running chromium not chrome
[21:22] <EriC^^> kristenbb: yeah im just letting you know
[21:23] <kristenbb> so please fix it for yourself, if you know how to investigate those things, and tell me how u did it :)
[21:23] <EriC^^> kristenbb: type "sudo apt-get update"
[21:23] <kristenbb> EriC^^: i'm up to date
[21:25] <EriC^^> kristenbb: what does "dpkg -l adobe-flashplugin" give?
[21:27] <EriC^^> kristenbb: apparently this is the package responsible for getting flash on chromium flashplugin-nonfree
[21:28] <EriC^^> kristenbb: what does 'apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree' give for the installed version?
[21:31] <EriC^^> * flashplugin-installer
[21:31] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: "dpkg -l adobe-flashplugin >> un  adobe-flashplu <none>       <none>" .
[21:32] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: yeah it seems flashplugin-installer
[21:33] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Just do not recall that much about flash in chromium. Never had an issue in this install.
[21:33] <EriC^^> yeah i dont use flash myself nor chromium/chrome
[21:33] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[21:35] <kristenbb> EriC^^: here is what apt-cache policy answers: https://pastebin.com/sQWgPYAQ
[21:36] <kristenbb> did any of you guys wanted me to do anything else?
[21:38] <EriC^^> kristenbb: ok, so looks like flash 32 is installed
[21:38] <kristenbb> EriC^^: so then why is chromium not picking it ?
[21:38] <EriC^^> kristenbb: try to close chromium fully with "pkill chromium" in a terminal or something, then start it and see if it has the right version
[21:39] <EriC^^> which site are you using for the version info?
[21:39] <EriC^^> https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html ?
[21:40] <tomreyn> kristenbb: does chrome://version/ (type this into the web browser) confirm that you're using "73.0.3683.86 (Official Build) Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 18.04 (64-bit)"?
[21:40] <EriC^^> kristenbb: i think it's just malfunctioning, i just tried with chrome again, now it says my version is 32.0..... it was 31 a min ago
[21:40] <kristenbb> tomreyn: yes
[21:40] <tomreyn> kristenbb: and what does it say for "Flash:" there?
[21:41] <kristenbb> 30.0
[21:41] <kristenbb> tomreyn: it says Flash <IP_ADDRESS> /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so
[21:41] <EriC^^> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[21:42] <EriC^^> kristenbb: which ubuntu? 16.04?
[21:42] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash
[21:42] <EriC^^> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree xenial
[21:42] <kristenbb> eric^^: no, 1804
[21:42] <EriC^^> kristenbb: aha, well that's interesting cause that package doesnt exist in 18.04 according to above, so maybe that's why
[21:42] <EriC^^> did you upgrade from 16.04?
[21:43] <kristenbb> yes
[21:43] <tomreyn> also https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-install-flash.html.en
[21:43] <EriC^^> ok, makes sense
[21:43] <OerHeks> it exists https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[21:43] <EriC^^> kristenbb: type "apt-cache search pepperflash | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:43] <EriC^^> hmm i guess ubottu is broke then
[21:43] <EriC^^> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[21:43] <kristenbb> browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash - PPAPI-host NPAPI-plugin adapter for pepperflash
[21:43] <kristenbb> pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
[21:43] <tomreyn> so the right package to install is "adobe-flashplugin" according to both pages i linkes
[21:43] <tomreyn> *linkD
[21:44] <EriC^^> kristenbb: ok, what does "apt-cache policy pepperflashplugin-nonfree" give for the installed version info?
[21:45] <kristenbb> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/2pqW4fFB
[21:45] <kristenbb> so do I understand it right that I have to apt-get purge pepperflashplugin-nonfree ?
[21:46] <tomreyn> yes, purge "pepperflashplugin-nonfree", install "adobe-flashplugin" from canonical-partner
[21:47] <EriC^^> kristenbb: canonical partner is a repo, you have to enable it if it's not already
[21:47] <kristenbb> so how to do all that?
[21:48] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[21:48] <AssociateX> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, I can switch to a VT and log in after X is up, but I can't switch to any other VT or back to X after that. What is the fix for this? I did search for a while before asking here, and I only found others with similar problems, but no solution.
[21:48] <kristenbb> wasn't the package supposed to be flashplugin-nonfree, instead of adobe-flashpplugin?
[21:48] <tomreyn> only if things changed since this documentation was written
[21:50] <tomreyn> AssociateX: what happens when you try to switch VTs then?
[21:50] <tomreyn> is there a bug report you found on this?
[21:52] <AssociateX> tomreyn, I can switch to a VT and log in after X is up, but I can't switch to any other VT or back to X after that. So, meaning that I just have a VT and no way back to X.
[21:53] <kristenbb> tomreyn, EriC^^: I'm a bit lost. I have purged pepperflashplugin-nonfree, and I indeed no longer have flash on chromium. However I still do have flash on firefox, and the package flashplugin-installer is still there. So why is it that it's not working on chromium now, and which package should I install: flashplugin-nonfree, as you guys mentioned initially, or adobe-flashplugin ?
[21:54] <tomreyn> AssociateX: i understood, thanks for clarifying, though. so when, after switching to a text TTY, you press, e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F1 to switch back to the login daemon or desktop, nothing happens at all?
[21:54] <tomreyn> AssociateX: that's also after you released all keys and pressed them again?
[21:55] <AssociateX> Correct
[21:55] <tomreyn> kristenbb: read the wiki page i pointed you to and the confusion will be gone.
[21:56] <promille> kristenbb: The adobe-flashplugin seems to be supported by canonical. Not as up-to-date, but more stable. flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-installer downloads the plugin from adobe itself it seems.
[21:56] <tomreyn> the proper link for 18.04 would have been this (i previously posted the 19.04 one): https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/net-install-flash.html.en
[21:56] <kristenbb> tomreyn: I have read it (it mostly contains screenshots), but I still don't get why it works on firefox and not on chrome.
[21:56] <promille> kristenbb: https://askubuntu.com/questions/15408/flashplugin-installer-vs-flashplugin-nonfree-vs-adobe-flashplugin/15409#15409
[21:57] <EriC^^> kristenbb: firefox is using the flashplugin-installer one, chrome isnt using that one
[21:57] <tomreyn> kristenbb: the one with the screenshots is just to enable the canonical-partner repository, please read the documentation page instead
[21:57] <EriC^^> *chromium
[21:58] <tomreyn> too many cooks ;)
[21:58] <Ev1L_Ric0> I can see some ircops sitting here in channel
[21:59] <OerHeks> Ev1L_Ric0, try #ubuntu-ops
[21:59] <Ev1L_Ric0> I have no need for an op
[21:59] <OerHeks> other ops in #Freenode
[21:59] <OerHeks> oh, why mentioning it?
[22:00] <Ev1L_Ric0> tomreyn was being facitious in saying there were too many cooks.
[22:00] <Ev1L_Ric0> Ie. Not enough ops.
[22:01] <OerHeks> Oh, he can remove me anytime, but an ongoing issue gives too many questions .. and multi solutions
[22:01] <OerHeks> still the official docu is leading, tomreyn  is right
[22:02] <Ev1L_Ric0> You have totally lost me OerHeks
[22:02] <EriC^^> nobody was deterring anything, simply answering a question/curiosity
[22:04] <tomreyn> AssociateX: sorry, i miussed your reply. since you said you searched the web, did you spot a related ubuntu bug report?
[22:04] <kristenbb> ok it works, thx to everyone
[22:05] <AssociateX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1758512
[22:05] <tomreyn> AssociateX: also, which graphics / video hardware do you have there? this should tell:   lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:05] <tomreyn> kristenbb: how did you do it in the end?
[22:05] <kristenbb> tomreyn: installing adobe-flashplugin
[22:05] <tomreyn> kristenbb: okay, it's good to know the documentation is still correct.
[22:06] <tomreyn> glad you worked it out.
[22:07] <AssociateX> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA
[22:07] <AssociateX> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:3e9b]
[22:07] <AssociateX>         Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0870]
[22:07] <AssociateX>         Kernel driver in use: i915
[22:07] <AssociateX>         Kernel modules: i915
[22:08] <tomreyn> !paste | AssociateX
[22:08] <tomreyn> (no need to paste there again, this is just for next time)
[22:12] <tomreyn> AssociateX: so from looking at this bug report, there is no solution, yet. you could subscribe to it to get notified when workarounds are discussed and a solution is provided.
[22:14] <tomreyn> AssociateX: possible workarounds you could try: switching to !HWE kernel + X, setting WaylandEnable=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[22:15] <tomreyn> if you'll try those, please try them one by one, and revert them if they turn out not to help.
[22:38] <ahi2> why is my kernel at 4.15.50 when synaptic shows kernel 4.18.x? why doesn't it update?
[22:39] <OerHeks> bionic + hwe gives 4.18
[22:40] <ahi2> do i need hwe?
[22:40] <OerHeks> does synaptic show 4.18 installed?
[22:41] <ahi2> no
[22:41] <OerHeks> !hwe
[22:41] <ahi2> available though
[22:42] <ahi2> i would figure it would update to 4.18.x if it is available
[22:42] <OerHeks> and -edge gives 5.00 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-edge
[22:43] <OerHeks> but you must have a reason for that
[22:44] <ahi2> does hwe make ubuntu more secure?
[22:45] <conr> is launchpad.net down? trying to add a ppa and its just stuck.
[22:46] <tomreyn> ahi2: no
[22:46] <ahi2> why doesnt it update to 4.18.x?
[22:47] <tomreyn> ahi2: because it doesn't need to. the 4.15 kernel is fine unless you have special needs.
[22:47] <tomreyn> !latest
[22:48] <ahi2> so 18.04 probable wont get 5.0 ever?
[22:48] <Bashing-om> ahi2: If you installed 18.04/01 you must ecplicitly opt in for HWE to take effect, Many of us desire to reamin on the 4.15 kernel serieis :)
[22:48] <ahi2> ok
[22:49] <conr> `error: retrieving gpg key timed out.`
[22:52] <tomreyn> ahi2: the GA (general availavbility, original release) kernel version remains the same for the lifetime of a release (4.15 for ubuntu 18.04), but HWE kernel versions can increase over time. also later point releases ubuntu installers (such as 18.04.2 - .2 is the point release) may install the HWE kernel by default in some variants (notably desktops).
[22:53] <tomreyn> ahi2: much of this is also explained on the wiki page that ubottu told you about earlier.
[22:53] <tomreyn> conr: /join #launchpad
[22:53] <conr> k
[22:53] <ahi2> tomreyn, i see thanks
[23:01] <AssociateX> tomreyn, I applied those and am about to reboot and then try. If you don't see back from me it didn't work.
[23:19] <ericsysmin> is there a way to change the audio sample rate on ubuntu?
[23:54] <AssociateX> tomreyn, that did not work.