[12:58] <looksaus> I'm a bit curious about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/login-service and https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/1169
[12:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1169 in launchpad "Launchpad should support OpenID" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:59] <looksaus> is there any information relevant to this that is appropriate for the public eye?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> is ther ea way to remove a bzr dir of mine so i can start over? i made it for planet ubuntu but its not letting me change my hackergotchi for planet?
[02:00] <lifeless> gnomefreak: why do you want to remove the bzrdir ?
[02:01] <gnomefreak> oh didnt think of that :)
[02:01] <gnomefreak> and than just run all commands again?
[02:02] <lifeless> I am desynced and confused.
[02:02] <lifeless> I just asked a small question, I dont know what commands you are talking of, nor what you have done
[02:02] <lifeless> I'm happy to help, but you'll need to explain more fully
[02:03] <gnomefreak> lifeless: i went to add a new hackergotchi to my bzr account for planet ubutnu and it kept erroring out on me and wouldnt update finally i was able to get it to update but still couldnt commit
[02:04] <gnomefreak> so now i would like to start over and reset my account for planet from scratch
[02:18] <gnomefreak> ok heres the command im running to set it back up bzr checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>planet-ubuntu "it tells me planet-ubuntu exsits how can i remove it?
[02:20] <_thumper_> ping jamesh
[02:21] <_thumper_> jamesh: do you have a few minutes to help clear up some confusion on vocabs...
[02:22] <jamesh> _thumper_: sure.  Go ahead
[02:24] <_thumper_> jamesh: thanks
[02:25] <_thumper_> I have created another vocab
[02:25] <_thumper_> and registered it
[02:25] <_thumper_> and I have a view that I want to expose a choice through
[02:25] <_thumper_> but I'm not sure how to marry the two
[02:25] <jamesh> so you are writing a form?
[02:25] <_thumper_> it is just a UI selector
[02:25] <_thumper_> editing one
[02:26] <jamesh> Okay.  To use the form machinery, you need a schema that describes the input you want
[02:26] <_thumper_> person-branches.pt
[02:27] <jamesh> a schema is just an interface
[02:27] <_thumper_> ok
[02:27] <jamesh> so you define an interface with a Choice() field that uses your vocabulary
[02:27] <_thumper_> and have the view implement it?
[02:27] <jamesh> and create a LaunchpadFormView subclass for your view
[02:27] <jamesh> not quite.
[02:28] <_thumper_> the one that I have inherits from LaunchpadView
[02:28] <jamesh> have a look at lib/canonical/launchpad/doc/launchpadform.txt for some details on defining a form class
[02:29] <jamesh> I'd point you at the answer tracker or bug search/listing pages, but they are a bit complicated
[02:33] <jamesh> Okay.  here is a quick sketch of what the view class should look like:
[02:33] <jamesh> (1) it should be a LaunchpadFormView subclass
[02:33] <jamesh> (2) set its schema attribute to the interface you defined.
[02:34] <thumper> what's the difference between a LaunchpadView and LaunchpadFormView
[02:34] <jamesh> (3) don't use the launchpad_form/form macro in your page template
[02:35] <jamesh> instead just define the <form> element yourself with action="get", and instantiate the widget with <div tal:replace="structure view/widgets/fieldname"/>
[02:35] <jamesh> LaunchpadView is a base class we use for view classes
[02:36] <jamesh> LaunchpadFormView subclasses LaunchpadView, and integrates zope's formlib
[02:37] <jamesh> (4) in the view class, you can do something like:
[02:37] <thumper> ok, ta
[02:37] <thumper> I'll go with that
[02:37] <jamesh>   widget = self.widgets['fieldname']
[02:37] <jamesh>   if widget.hasValidInput():
[02:37] <jamesh>     status = widget.getInputValue()
[02:37] <jamesh>   else:
[02:37] <jamesh>     status = DEFAULT_STATUS
[02:37] <jamesh> and use that to pick the branches to display
[02:38] <thumper> more complex than what I was doing :)
[02:38] <jamesh> it isn't quite straight forward, since we're ignoring most of the form handling code here.
[02:39] <thumper> for the class that inherits from the LaunchpadFormView, do I need to create a member variable?
[02:39] <thumper> or is that handled through the schema?
[02:39] <jamesh> yeah.  you need to set schema to the schema used by the form.
[02:41] <lifeless> gnomefreak: you can just cd into that directory, no need to checkout again
[02:41] <lifeless> gnomefreak: the thing is that you need to be in the planet-ubuntu team to commit. Are you in that team ?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> its throwing errors about no dir /gnomefreak/planetubuntu
[02:42] <lifeless> gnomefreak: hmm. perhaps you can hop on to #bzr for help with this ?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> yes i thought i was since i was on the planet blog
[02:42] <gnomefreak> k
[02:42] <lifeless> I'm not in a good position to do detailed support right now.
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74741 in malone "RFE: Canned responses" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74741
[04:07] <thumper> jamesh: sorry to bug you again, but what do I need to do to initialise the widgets?
[04:07] <thumper> been going around in circles for the last while trying to figure it out
[04:08] <jamesh> thumper: the widgets get initialised by the LaunchpadFormView.initialise() method
[04:08] <thumper> hmm... something seems to be missing then
[04:08] <thumper> ah
[04:08] <thumper> I know
[04:08] <jamesh> more specifically, the setUpFields() and setUpWidgets() methods, which get called by initialize()
[04:08] <thumper> a call to the base method
[04:08] <thumper> what's the coding standard for super methods?
[04:09] <thumper> call directly or use super?
[04:09] <jamesh> usually just call them directly for simple cases
[04:09] <thumper> ok
[04:10] <jamesh> super() is used in a few places for class hierarchies with exotic inheritance :)
[04:11] <thumper> yay, it works now
[04:11] <thumper> a bit convoluted
[04:11] <thumper> but ok(ish)
[04:12] <jamesh> if you want another set of eyes to look at it, put the branch on pending-reviews as a work-in-progress branch
[04:12] <thumper> yeah, will do
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74748 in malone ""Select a Person or Team" should use default term" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74748
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74749 in malone ""Select a Person or Team" needs to be themed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74749
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74750 in malone "No way to search by specific field" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74750
[04:53] <thumper> jamesh: I hope your locations.conf entries work for me
[04:54] <thumper> nope
[04:54] <thumper> I think I'm missing something
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74753 in rosetta "Edgy blurb out-of-date on Rosetta index webpage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74753
[09:09] <thumper> ddaa: did you get my email?
[09:16] <twb> thumper: magic
[09:27] <jordi> SteveA: ping
[09:44] <SteveA> jordi: good morning
[09:51] <twb> When I file a bug via email, I put ` affects /distros/ubuntu/PACKAGE', where PACKAGE is the name of the package?
[09:55] <twb> nm, #ubuntu-devel answered already.
[09:56] <BjornT> twb: yes. and to be more specific, where PACKAGE is the name of the source package.
[09:56] <BjornT> oh :)
[09:56] <twb> Ah.
[09:56] <twb> Is there a way to report in which version of the package the bug was found?
[09:58] <BjornT> twb: no, not formally. there has been some discussion about that, but so far the decision was that the version information should be included in the bug description. we'll evaluate this again, maybe we'll add some version field to a bug.
[09:59] <twb> That must make it hard to programmatically extract information.
[09:59] <twb> e.g. `give me all the unresolved bugs relating to the version of FOO currently in edgy'
[10:01] <BjornT> yeah, it's not easy to extract it programmatically. is this something you want to do often? why do you need such a query?
[10:01] <twb> So that you don't have to troll through ALL the open bugs to find ones that you want.
[10:01] <BjornT> (in the discussions it was mentioned that version info is mostly useful when triaging a bug, not for finding all bugs for a specific version)
[10:02] <twb> I guess it seems silly to me to question whether programmability is needed.  Programmability is ALWAYS needed, you just don't always know it.
[10:02] <twb> But I have found it useful under Debian to know whether upgrading to version N can be expected to fix specific bugs.
[10:05] <BjornT> twb: that's true. however, adding new fields makes the bug tracking system more comples. sure, a version field might not be too bad to add, but if you add field foo, why not add field bar, etc. that's why we are very hesitant when adding new fields.
[10:06] <BjornT> twb: for the use case of finding out which bugs are fixed in a certain version, i think we can do it better by allowing bugs to be closed in changelogs, and track that information.
[10:07] <twb> Well, that is certainly a feature I'd like to see in Ubuntu.
[10:11] <ddaa> Morning
[10:13] <thumper> Morning ddaa
[10:13] <twb> BjornT: if I email a new bug, do attachments get included?
[10:13] <ddaa> thumper: checking inbox
[10:13] <twb> I want to include a transcript of the apt-get install session.
[10:14] <thumper> ddaa: for a while I thought my mail server wasn't sending all email, but it seems to
[10:14] <ddaa> got it
[10:14] <kiko-zzz> zzz
[10:15] <kiko-zzz> twb, not yet
[10:15] <kiko-zzz> but soon
[10:15] <kiko-zzz> twb, about versions, one problem with that is that a bug is rarely present /only/ in one version
[10:15] <ddaa> thumper: you're at home now?
[10:15] <kiko-zzz> so the version information is often misleading
[10:15] <twb> So I have to include the transcript inline?
[10:16] <thumper> ddaa, yep, should I grab the phone?
[10:16] <ddaa> nah
[10:16] <kiko-zzz> see bugzilla.mozilla.org for examples of bugs where the version data is mostly irrelevant
[10:16] <ddaa> Ewa still snoring in the bedroom end of the office
[10:16] <kiko-zzz> twb, yes, for now, use the description
[10:16] <thumper> ddaa, office is your bedroom?
[10:17] <ddaa> housing is expensive in paris
[10:17] <ddaa> and demand stupidly high, housing agency ask that one's revenue is 3x the rent
[10:18] <ddaa> And Ewa is still a student -> no steady income
[10:18] <Fanch> ddaa: it is slowly changing
[10:19] <Fanch> (price are to high and are beginning to drop)
[10:19] <ddaa> Fanch: whatever, the increase rate of prices (second derivative) is decreasing
[10:19] <Fanch> ddaa: then it drecreased enough to be negative... :-)
[10:19] <ddaa> not really something worth celebrating about
[10:20] <ddaa> that still means that prices are increasing, albeit more slowly
[10:21] <Fanch> ddaa: you are talking about shown/requested prices or negotiated prices ?
[10:22] <ddaa> Fanch: admittedly, I'm not looking to closely, and I'm not interested in buying soon anyway
[10:23] <ddaa> I do not really have the time to spare, and I'm lacking the capital and the stability to take a loan on 30 years
[10:23] <twb> What kind of delay can I expect between hitting `send' in mutt and seeing the bug show up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sun-java5/+bugs ?
[10:23] <Fanch> ddaa: that's why I am waiting for 3 to 4 years to buy... (but I bought an flat 30 months ago)
[10:24] <twb> Ah, a couple of minutes.
[10:27] <ddaa> Fanch: 30 months ago I was out of a job with a student loan to repay. Not the best time to buy :)
[10:41] <thumper> ping SteveA
[11:02] <danilos> SteveA: ping
[11:21] <cprov> morning, guys
[11:24] <stub> Just the person :-)
[11:24] <stub> cprov: Does https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filex1OszE.html make any sense to you?
[11:25] <cprov> stub: yes, new apt-ftparchive in edgy
[11:25] <stub> ok. So I can expect gina.txt, soyuz-upload.txt, test_ftparchive to fail under edgy?
[11:26] <cprov> stub: PQM still using dapper version
[11:26] <stub> If so, my branch is actually working and ready for review :)
[11:26] <cprov> stub: afaik, only soyuz-upload.txt
[11:27] <cprov> stub: btw, did you check my DB patch (new fields in SourcePackageRelease) ?
[11:28] <stub> briefly but not properly. I'll check it now.
[11:29] <cprov> stub: thanks
[11:37] <SteveA> thumper: hi
[11:37] <SteveA> ddaa: hi
[11:37] <SteveA> danilos: hello
[11:37] <danilos> hi SteveA
[11:37] <ddaa> SteveA: hello
[11:37] <SteveA> thumper, ddaa: have you guys talked recently?
[11:37] <ddaa> SteveA: yes, yesterday night
[11:37] <SteveA> how did it go?
[11:38] <ddaa> planned to have a call this morning, but Ewa is sleeping right now
[11:38] <ddaa> SteveA: good, discussed about the evolution of Branth.lifecycle_status and a potential sprint in April
[11:39] <thumper> hi SteveA
[11:39] <ddaa> Apparently poolie is asking for a status "Retired" or "Vintage", but I'm resisting adding additional values.
[11:40] <ddaa> thumper is working on branch status filtering for branch listing pages
[11:41] <thumper> that's coming along nicely, but it doesn't look pretty yet
[11:41] <thumper> I'm trying to figure out how to submit the form when the user changes the value in the drop down list
[11:41] <ddaa> I'd like to have feedback on the email-notification spec, but I agree that it's probably better to do some hacking on branch filtering now
[11:41] <thumper> normally a little javascript on the select is enough
[11:42] <thumper> but not sure how to add this on a widget
[11:42] <ddaa> thumper: I suggest you do not do this now
[11:42] <thumper> I am intending to give feedback on the email spec
[11:42] <ddaa> nothing in launchpad has this sort of behaviour at the moment, although "select dropdown, then click to post" is cumbersome, fixing this sort of wart is post-1.0
[11:43] <thumper> hmm...
[11:43] <thumper> just not slick
[11:43] <ddaa> yes, it sucks
[11:43] <thumper> I guess it is not essential just yet
[11:43] <thumper> but I would like to know how to do it
[11:43] <ddaa> yup
[11:43] <thumper> do you need to do a javascript block to attach a handler to the event after it?
[11:44] <SteveA> mochikit
[11:44] <thumper> SteveA, docs for that anywhere?
[11:44] <SteveA> loads.  google
[11:45] <SteveA> (still on phone)
[11:45] <thumper> :)
[11:45] <ddaa> Mochikit looks slick
[11:45] <thumper> ddaa, how do you stop all the cruft getting added around the widgets?
[11:45] <thumper> like the extra divs et al
[11:45] <ddaa> thumper: you should ask something who know something about zope, like BjornT
[11:46] <SteveA> thumper: I'll talk with you about the UI in 15 mins
[11:46] <thumper> ok
[11:46] <BjornT> thumper: you can use LaunchpadDropDown widget, it doesn't add any <div> around itself
[11:46] <ddaa> I really have no clue, I'm just happy to use the easy tools that the infrastructure guys give me
[11:46] <thumper> BjornT, I'm just using the default widget for a Choice
[11:47] <thumper> not sure what that is
[11:47] <BjornT> thumper: it's DropDownWidget. we probably should do LaunchpadDropDownWidget the default, though, but I haven't gotten around it yet.
[11:48] <thumper> BjornT: ah, that might explain it
[11:48] <BjornT> thumper: for now, you can use custom_widget('your_field', LaunchpadDropDownWidget) in your view class
[12:13] <_thumper_> BjornT, thanks, that looks much better now
[12:13] <_thumper_> Although it is Dropdown :)
[12:27] <looksaus> may I be curious and ask about plans to support authenticating against launchpad using openid? I've seen https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/1169 and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/login-service
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1169 in launchpad "Launchpad should support OpenID" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:32] <ddaa> Oracle developers have a sense of humour
[12:32] <ddaa> david@marvin:~ % svn ls http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/src/trunk
[12:33] <ddaa> dude_wheres_my_ocfs2
[12:33] <snail> ddaa: are you working with oracle?
[12:33] <ddaa> just going over some old vcs-import requests
[12:33] <ddaa> it's a public repo
[12:33] <snail> ddaa: http://connect.educause.edu/blog/stuartyeates/oracle_unbreakable_linux_mortal_after_all/13890
[12:36] <ddaa> *shrug*
[12:36] <ddaa> Anyway, if you need to use Oracle, you are already in trouble.
[12:38] <snail> ddaa: true
[12:39] <SteveA> _thumper_: ping
[12:43] <SteveA> matsubara: ping
[12:44] <matsubara> SteveA: pong
[12:44] <SteveA> matsubara: mpt is on vacation today.  would you prepare the bug report for today's meeting?
[12:44] <matsubara> SteveA: yes, sure.
[12:45] <SteveA> thanks matsubara !
[12:45] <SteveA> .win 28
[12:45] <twb> If a bug's status has been changed to "Rejected", and I add a comment, does the developer still see the new comment?
[12:46] <twb> (In malone)
[12:46] <BjornT> twb: yes. email notifications are always sent, no matter what the status of the bug is.
[12:46] <twb> OK.
[12:51] <matthewrevell> 46982
[12:51] <matthewrevell> sorry
[12:58] <SteveA> matthewrevell: have you been to a launchpad developers meeting before?
[12:58] <matthewrevell> SteveA: I've observed
[01:00] <ddaa> matthewrevell: just prepare your three sentences bingo in advance
[01:00] <stub> here
[01:00] <matthewrevell> ddaa: Damn, three sentences you say? I've practically filled a page :)
[01:00] <jordi> meeting now?
[01:00] <ddaa> stub: too early
[01:00] <SteveA> Launchpad developers' meeting!
[01:00] <SteveA> who is here today?
[01:00] <stub> still here
[01:00] <matthewrevell> me
[01:00] <malcc> me
[01:00] <jordi> me!
[01:00] <cprov> me
[01:00] <SteveA> mpt is on vacation
[01:00] <flacoste> me
[01:00] <salgado> me
[01:00] <ddaa> me
[01:00] <BjornT> me
[01:00] <SteveA> tim (thumper) sends apologies -- flaky internet connection this evening
[01:00] <twb> I'm not here.
[01:01] <SteveA> spiv is at a conference
[01:01] <matsubara> me
[01:01] <danilos> me
[01:01] <jamesh> me
[01:01] <SteveA> kiko-zzz: ?
[01:02] <salgado> SteveA, kiko's comming in soon
[01:02] <danilos> he was out riding a bike
[01:02] <SteveA> ok, thanks
[01:02] <kiko-zzz> yes
[01:02] <SteveA> danilos: like, duh!  ;-)
[01:02] <danilos> ;)
[01:02] <jordi> aha! he didn't crash this time
[01:02] <SteveA> welcome to matthewrevell
[01:02] <matthewrevell> SteveA: Thank you
[01:03] <SteveA> matthewrevell has joined the launchpad team
[01:03] <jordi> hey matthew, again welcome :)
[01:03] <SteveA> what will you be doing matthew?
[01:03] <matthewrevell> jordi: thanks
[01:03] <danilos> matthewrevell: enjoy the first meeting, didn't welcome you properly before :)
[01:03] <twb> Are you guys having a meeting, right now, in here?
[01:03] <matthewrevell> danilos: :0
[01:03] <SteveA> twb: yes
[01:03] <twb> OK.  I'll keep quiet
[01:03] <SteveA> twb: 12:00 < SteveA> Launchpad developers' meeting!
[01:03] <kiko> welcome m
[01:03] <kiko> r
[01:04] <matthewrevell> thanks all, very pleased to be here
[01:05] <SteveA> this will also be jordi's last launchpad meeting as a member of the launchpad team.
[01:05] <jordi> :(
[01:05] <SteveA> thanks for all your work on helping the rosetta community, jordi
[01:05] <SteveA> we'll miss you
[01:05] <jordi> it's been a fun ride!
[01:05] <jamesh> good luck in the future
[01:05] <kiko> we will have a lot of work to do the job as well as you did jordi; thanks.
[01:05] <jordi> I'll be around the house, I need to keep close eye on danilo :)
[01:06] <danilos> jordi: yeah, you probably enjoyed riding me all the time :)
[01:06] <jordi> see? :)
[01:06] <danilos> :)
[01:06] <kiko> ai ai
[01:06] <SteveA> this would be tim (thumper)'s first launchpad meeting as a member of the launchpad team.
[01:06] <SteveA> but tim can't be here today -- flaky internet
[01:06] <jordi> jamesh: interesting times ahead: not only I leave Canonical, but my other job too
[01:06] <SteveA> tim will be working with ddaa on the bzr-launchpad integration
[01:06] <jordi> When 2007 starts, many things will have changed
[01:06] <kiko> jordi, sounds like time for an adventure! why don't you come down and stay with us in .br for a while?
[01:06] <jamesh> jordi: professional triathlete? :)
[01:07] <kiko> there is free lodging and internet
[01:07] <jordi> jamesh: heh, I wish :)
[01:07] <kiko> and the food is cheap
[01:07] <kiko> and plentiful
[01:07] <jordi> and bikes :)
[01:07] <kiko> as are women
[01:07] <jordi> ok, let's get on with the meeting :)
[01:07] <jordi> *lol*
[01:07] <danilos> kiko: jordi needs no food ;)
[01:07] <SteveA> kiko: cheap and plentiful?
[01:07] <kiko> there is something for everybody in brazil
[01:08] <SteveA> ok...
[01:08] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Bug report report (mpt)
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[01:08] <SteveA> ----
[01:08] <SteveA>  * Reorganising dbschema (Steve)
[01:08] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[01:08] <SteveA> ----
[01:09] <SteveA>  * Keep, Bag, Change
[01:09] <SteveA>  * Three sentences
[01:09] <SteveA>
[01:09] <SteveA> next meeting -- same time next week!
[01:09] <SteveA> 14 december
[01:09] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[01:09] <SteveA> I am so not up to date :-/
[01:09] <kiko> I am!
[01:09] <ddaa> up to date
[01:09] <danilos> up to date (restarting with last week)
[01:09] <SteveA> and 2 hr conf calls don't help :-/ :-/
[01:09] <stub> up to date
[01:09] <flacoste> up to date
[01:09] <cprov> up to date
[01:09] <BjornT> up to date
[01:09] <matsubara> I'm not up to date
[01:09] <SteveA> yay, everyone shows me up!  well done team
[01:09] <jordi> I sent a batch last week, am writing last weeks now, so pretty good
[01:09] <malcc> not up to date
[01:09] <jamesh> not up to date
[01:09] <matthewrevell> up to date (if we're talking about why i think we are)
[01:10] <matthewrevell> s/why/what
[01:10] <kiko> yeah matthewrevell, you're up to date
[01:10] <kiko> cprov just sent out a batch, so he is too
[01:10] <jordi> matthewrevell: those pesky emails to activity@ :)
[01:10] <SteveA> matsubara, malcc, jamesh: please send a summary during the meeting
[01:10] <kiko> matsubara has been busy growing his todo list
[01:10] <salgado> I'm not up to date either. will send a summary
[01:10] <SteveA> thanks salgado
[01:10] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[01:11] <SteveA> the only action is for spiv, who is away at a conference
[01:11] <SteveA> so we can defer that until next week when he will be back
[01:11] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[01:11] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bug 74437
[01:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74437 in rosetta "OOPS translating string with format specification." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74437
[01:11] <matsubara> danilos, can you take that one?.
[01:12] <kiko> matsubara, is that the one we debugged?
[01:12] <kiko> did you manage to get a test in?
[01:12] <matsubara> danilos: I can write the test if you help me out with some sample data fiddling
[01:12] <danilos> matsubara: isn't that related to another bug about format stuff?
[01:12] <matsubara> kiko: yes, it's that one. And no, I couldn't write the test yet.
[01:12] <matsubara> danilos: it's similar but it's not the same issue
[01:12] <danilos> matsubara: sure, I can help
[01:12] <kiko> danilos, it's a weird oops that we'll get you a test to demonstrate.
[01:12] <matsubara> danilos: this one OOPSes
[01:13] <danilos> ok
[01:13] <kiko> matsubara, hold off assigning to him until we have a test, or else he'll be a bit lost
[01:13] <matsubara> kiko: ok
[01:13] <danilos> matsubara, kiko: ok, thanks
[01:13] <kiko> cool.
[01:13] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done with oops report.
[01:13] <kiko> matsubara, and of course, get the test done :-) call me in if you are stuck.
[01:13] <matsubara> I'll move on to the Bug report
[01:14] <SteveA> twb: the meeting will finish at 12:45 UTC, btw
[01:14] <matsubara> kiko: all right.
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug report report:
[01:14] <twb> SteveA: thanks.
[01:14] <SteveA> matsubara has agreed to do the bug report, as mpt is on vacation
[01:14] <matsubara> We have 9 critical open bugs.
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug 30602 assigned to kiko.
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug 44214 assigned to carlos.
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug 46982 assigned to danilos.
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug 68014 assigned to carlos.
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug 71283 assigned to carlos.
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30602
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug 73509 assigned to carlos.
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44214 in rosetta "We need to add code to prevent POFiles being in the same path" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44214
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug 66383 assigned to ddaa. Bug 59443 assigned to cprov.
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46982
[01:14] <matsubara> Bug 73761 assigned to malcc.
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68014 in rosetta "Rosetta reverts translation fixes to old faulty values" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68014
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71283 in rosetta "Allow non-authenticated rendering of +translate pages" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71283
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73509 in rosetta ".po file export doesn't update cached files" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73509
[01:14] <malcc> 73761 is with pqm
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Bug 66383 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/66383 is private
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59443 in soyuz "Soyuz should send announce messages for backports to different list" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59443
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73761 in soyuz "Missing support for any-i386 and linux-i386" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73761
[01:14] <matsubara> great news malcc! thanks
[01:15] <matsubara> kiko: how's the +translate one going?
[01:15] <matsubara> danilos, can you make a status report on the ones related to rosetta?
[01:15] <kiko> matsubara, it's not but I can work on it now. I was thinking of blocking myself on carlos, but f*** that
[01:15] <danilos> I can go on with quick bug fix for 46982, it's still blocked on ff stuff landing first
[01:15] <ddaa> matsubara: 66383 was merged last week. Code has been in production for a while. Closing the bug.
[01:15] <danilos> I know 68014 has been in the review queue, should be almost ready to land
[01:16] <matsubara> cprov?
[01:16] <danilos> I am not sure of the state of the others
[01:16] <cprov> matsubara: I'll try to find some time to work on it today, I've sorted a plan with kiko.
[01:16] <kiko> oh, indeed
[01:16] <kiko> why is that critical?
[01:16] <danilos> 68014 is blocked on carlos getting back from vacation, 73509 is related
[01:16] <cprov> kiko: yes, might be demoted to high, IMO.
[01:17] <matsubara> ddaa: thanks.
[01:17] <cprov> kiko: do you agree ?
[01:17] <kiko> yes.
[01:18] <matsubara> danilos: any ETA on the FF stuff?
[01:18] <cprov> done
[01:18] <danilos> matsubara: ask kiko
[01:18] <danilos> ETA is a forbidden word for me
[01:18] <matsubara> he just looked at you :)
[01:18] <kiko> that's why I looked at him
[01:18] <danilos> I can talk about progress and what's left to do, but no ETAs :)
[01:18] <kiko> matsubara, danilos needs to fill me in on what he is stuck on, but we're hoping 1 week.
[01:19] <jordi> what about the Iceweasel? :)
[01:20] <matsubara> matthewrevell: btw, bug 68014 is one of those bugs that draws lots of user attention. You might be interested.
[01:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68014 in rosetta "Rosetta reverts translation fixes to old faulty values" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68014
[01:20] <matthewrevell> matsubara: thanks
[01:20] <kiko> matsubara, and the KDE plural forms one.
[01:21] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done here. thanks. Thank you everyone!
[01:21] <SteveA> one thing about bug 68014
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68014 in rosetta "Rosetta reverts translation fixes to old faulty values" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68014
[01:21] <SteveA> I believe it is fixed in production, in that Rosetta no longer does this bad thing.
[01:21] <SteveA> But, we have disabled some rosetta functionality, while that functionality is being fixed
[01:21] <SteveA> I think the current description and status of the bug is misleading
[01:21] <danilos> right, PO imports are disabled
[01:22] <SteveA> the current bug is, PO imports are disabled
[01:22] <danilos> and they are even disabled for rosetta admins
[01:22] <SteveA> not that we're reverting translations
[01:22] <salgado> but it's still possible to get that, if somebody gets a stale page or something like that
[01:22] <danilos> so only launchpad admins can upload PO files
[01:22] <SteveA> salgado: I don't know about stale pages
[01:23] <salgado> carlos had a fix for this on a branch that I reviewed
[01:23] <SteveA> salgado:  I think that would be another issue
[01:23] <danilos> well, if a page sits loaded in someone's browser for a long time
[01:23] <matsubara> danilos: aha! Now I think I know how to write that test! I'll ping you after the meeting
[01:23] <salgado> but the branch wasn't approved before he went on leave
[01:23] <SteveA> when does he get back?
[01:23] <salgado> carlos/launchpad/bug-68014-step3
[01:23] <danilos> matsubara: ok, thanks :)
[01:23] <kiko> SteveA, note that we are not sure that we /did/ fix the issue. i think there are a number of things that /could/ revert translations and uploads are just one of them.
[01:23] <kiko> SteveA, on monday.
[01:23] <SteveA> ok, that's not far off
[01:23] <SteveA> but carlos should land that on monday
[01:24] <SteveA> and we should consider it for rolling out
[01:24] <SteveA> thank you for doing the oops and bug reports, matsubara
[01:24] <danilos> he had a review by BjornT, can he chip in with status?
[01:24] <matsubara> you're welcome SteveA
[01:24] <SteveA> thanks danilos.  BjornT ?
[01:25] <BjornT> danilos: i review a branch that added copy buttons. is that related?
[01:25] <danilos> BjornT: no, I guess I am mistaken then, sorry
[01:25] <danilos> that's probably the one blocking kiko then
[01:26] <BjornT> yea
[01:26] <BjornT> h
[01:26] <danilos> ok, sorry for the confusion
[01:26] <SteveA> danilos: please arrange a meeting monday with carlos + kiko to get the status of these things sorted out
[01:26] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[01:26] <danilos> SteveA: sure
[01:27] <stub> Nothing unusual happening on production or staging. Business as usual. There is a pending cherry pick that I will push out tomorrow (4286) along with kikos checkwatches pick request if it is still needed.
[01:28] <stub> (thats all folks)
[01:28] <kiko> (stub, if you want to fix checkwatches for issuezilla I have the patch that does that -- but it's your calll as this has been broken forever)
[01:28] <SteveA> stub: I have a branch to get beta-ized
[01:28] <jordi> matthewrevell: hm, I'm figuring I can add small section for you in my "leaving gracefully" document, so you know what are the current issues with the Rosetta community, etc. Danilo is quite up to date on that too, though
[01:28] <SteveA> will talk with you about that after meeting
[01:28] <matthewrevell> jordi: That would be very helpful, thanks.
[01:28] <stub> ok
[01:28] <danilos> matthewrevell: watch out for https://launchpad.canonical.com/RosettaJordiTransition ;)
[01:29] <kiko> jordi, be sure to have a ImportQueueHowto be part of that
[01:29] <SteveA> stub: what was the issue on staging where it was giving proxy errors for a while?
[01:29] <jordi> kiko: that's mostly done
[01:29] <matthewrevell> danilos: thanks
[01:29] <stub> The one on the mailing list? Needed some apache rules added that I thought already had been.
[01:29] <SteveA> ok
[01:30] <SteveA> thanks stub
[01:30] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[01:30] <ddaa> supermirror-smart-server: did not hear about it this week, spiv being away. Infrastructure for http support (for anonymous access) is there in bzr 0.12, but I do not think the launchpad integration has progressed significantly.
[01:30] <salgado> Random Things 1.0
[01:30] <salgado> -------------------------------
[01:30] <salgado> - SearchingProjects: ready to land, waiting for pillar-names to land first
[01:30] <salgado> - PillarGotchis:  started. will require more work than I was expecting
[01:30] <BjornT> Malone 1.0:
[01:30] <BjornT> upstream-forwarding-workflow: No news, merged to RF, but not in production yet.
[01:31] <flacoste> Support^W Answer Tracker 1.0 Status Report
[01:31] <flacoste> [01:31] <flacoste> SupportTrackerViews: Previously missing 'Needs Attention' report now in review.
[01:31] <flacoste> SupportTrackerHelp: 75% completed. Missing Highlights, help on language support and polish.
[01:31] <flacoste> LocalizedSupportRequests: Ready to be merged.
[01:31] <BjornT> series-and-distrorelease-mgmt: All branches have been reviewed, will do
[01:31] <flacoste> SupportTrackerRenaming: spec being reviewed by kiko
[01:31] <BjornT> some manual testing before merging them into RF.
[01:31] <BjornT> guided-filebug-form: Has been merge into RF.
[01:31] <BjornT> removing-duplicate-comments: No news, still implemented.
[01:31] <BjornT> malone-essential-docs: No progress since last time, it's started though.
[01:31] <danilos> Rosetta 1.0  weekly report:
[01:31] <danilos> - opening edgy for translation: DONE
[01:31] <danilos> - firefox import/export: ff-import still working, more of ff-export done
[01:31] <danilos> - oo import/export: no progress this week (tests, import implemented, export in progress)
[01:31] <danilos> - translation review: (last weeks status: pending to answer the review, need some UI changes after talk with kiko (todo after merge current tree in rocketfuel). Also needs the reviewer specific UI.)
[01:31] <BjornT> simple-bug-keywords: No news, still implemented.
[01:31] <danilos> - essential docs: no progress this week
[01:31] <danilos> - search: no progress this week, DB schema changes discussed at UDS
[01:31] <danilos> - checks not to upload wrong language PO file using "too many changes" check: not started
[01:31] <danilos> - translation page for projects: bug 73875 (new task, not started)
[01:31] <Ubugtu> Bug 73875 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/73875 is private
[01:31] <danilos> - ui fixes: DONE
[01:31] <kiko> ddaa, there's at least a spec for deploying the SM -- is it blocked on anything?
[01:31] <stub> salgado: pillar names is in the review queue. Feel free to review it if you want to unblock :)
[01:31] <kiko> danilos, about search, we are doing browsing as a substitute
[01:31] <cprov> = Soyuz-1.0 Report =
[01:31] <cprov>
[01:31] <cprov>  * Archive Rework: pending review (cprov, r=kiko)
[01:31] <cprov>  * PPA: ppa-build-support & ppa-poppy & ppa-publish & ppa-upload-support
[01:31] <cprov>        (cprov, w-i-p)
[01:31] <cprov>  * NoMoreAptFtparchive: pending review DB patch (cprov, r=stub)
[01:31] <cprov>  * SyncSourceFixes: pending review (cprov, r=kiko)
[01:31] <cprov>  * Code quality:
[01:31] <cprov>    * NascentUpload first refactoring (kiko, under development)
[01:31] <cprov>  * Bug Fix:
[01:31] <cprov>    * #74803 (MissingDSCSigningKey): pending review (cprov, r=?)
[01:31] <cprov>    * #73836 (PackageCacheFix): pending review (cprov, r=bjorn, stub)
[01:31] <cprov>    * #73761 (support for any-i386 and linux-i386): review ok (malcc, r=jamesh)
[01:32] <salgado> stub, I was planning to do that, but then I noticed that it has 18kloc
[01:32] <danilos> kiko: even with our postgres 8.1 can do partial indexes eureka?
[01:32] <stub> salgado: mostly trivial changes to tests
[01:32] <kiko> danilos, yeah -- your stack is already high enough.
[01:32] <ddaa> kiko: what spec are you thinking of?
[01:32] <kiko> ddaa, the supermirror deployment spec?
[01:32] <danilos> kiko: ok, sure, rearranging the status report for next week
[01:33] <ddaa> kiko: cannot find it from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+spec/supermirror-smart-server
[01:33] <kiko> SteveA, what's the name of the SM deplyment spec?
[01:33] <jamesh> stub: I can take a look at it tomorrow -- just took a quick look through it and saw a few issues
[01:34] <SteveA> kiko: right now, it's a web page that needs discussion with spiv.  something to catch up with next week
[01:35] <kiko> SteveA, do you have a URL to share with ddaa?
[01:35] <SteveA> kiko: https://launchpad.canonical.com/SupermirrorSmartServerPlan  ddaa
[01:35] <SteveA> kiko: we ready to move on?
[01:35] <SteveA> thanks ddaa
[01:35] <kiko> yes please
[01:36] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[01:36] <SteveA> 7
[01:36] <SteveA> 6
[01:36] <SteveA> 5
[01:36] <SteveA> 4
[01:36] <SteveA> matthewrevell: do you have a devpad account yet?
[01:36] <kiko> all mine are being handled -- thanks Znarl, Ng, Spads and elmo
[01:36] <SteveA> 3
[01:36] <SteveA> 2
[01:36] <matthewrevell> SteveA: N ot yet
[01:36] <SteveA> matthewrevell: ok.  I increased its priority in RT and noted that you need one.
[01:36] <SteveA> 1
[01:36] <SteveA> done
[01:36] <matthewrevell> SteveA: Thanks
[01:37] <SteveA>  * Reorganising dbschema (Steve)
[01:37] <SteveA> I sent an email to the launchpad list about improving the organisation of our dbschema enum classes
[01:37] <SteveA> I have received a number of good comments about this.  Next week, I'll be writing this up as a spec, and making a decision about what we'll do.
[01:37] <SteveA> If you haven't read it yet, please read it and send me any comments.
[01:38] <SteveA>  * Keep, Bag, Change
[01:38] <SteveA> 5
[01:38] <SteveA> 4
[01:38] <SteveA> 3
[01:38] <jamesh> looked pretty good
[01:38] <SteveA> 2
[01:38] <SteveA> 1
[01:38] <SteveA> ok
[01:38] <SteveA> thanks jamesh
[01:38] <SteveA>  * Three sentences
[01:38] <ddaa> DONE: imports herding, help text, branch-email-notification speccing, cscvs release preparation
[01:38] <ddaa> TODO: imports herding, help text, release cscvs, more speccing, review reply backlog
[01:38] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <matsubara> DONE: some triage, oops report analysis, lots of IRC, fixed #47769, debugged #74437
[01:38] <matsubara> TODO: bug triage, write tests, fix bugs, oops report analysis, tweak oops report tool to show number of page loads.
[01:38] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <flacoste> DONE: merge most pending branches, bug fixes, implemented 'Needs attention' report, reviews.
[01:38] <flacoste> TODO: SupportTrackerRenaming, documentation, bug fixes
[01:38] <flacoste> BLOCKED: waiting on kiko's review of SupportTrackerRenaming
[01:38] <stub> DONE: Pillar name URLs
[01:38] <stub> TODO: Interviews, test suite bug fix
[01:38] <stub> BLOCKED: No
[01:38] <jamesh> DONE: code review, clean up url-utils branch for review, bug-import
[01:38] <jamesh> TODO: code review, bug-import, launchpad-bazaar tasks
[01:38] <jamesh> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <salgado> DONE: Lots of code review, finished SearchingProjects, planned what to do for PillarGotchis and started cooking a widget for images and cooked sql scripts to do mass inserts of archive/release mirrors in launchpad.
[01:38] <salgado> TODO: Finish PillarGotchis (including the image widget), more code review and high prio bug fixes
[01:38] <salgado> BLOCKED: No
[01:38] <BjornT> DONE: landed malone-guided-filebug, got malone-release-management approved. reviews. addressed review comments in a bunch of branches.
[01:38] <danilos> DONE: ff-export fixes, translation licensing stuff (lots of emailing
[01:38] <danilos> back and forth, discussion with GRASS project members), bug management, user support
[01:38] <danilos> TODO: communicate, communicate, import queue starting next week, ff, OOo export, bug fixing
[01:38] <danilos> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <BjornT> TODO: test malone-release-management and land it. fix bugs from mpt related to Bugs 1.0 UI. reviews.
[01:39] <BjornT> BLOCKED: no
[01:39] <jordi> DONE: preparing departure
[01:39] <malcc> DONE: Bug 73761 (with PQM), admin stuff
[01:39] <malcc> TODO: Raise some bugs from UDS specs, finish landing 73761, finish up.
[01:39] <malcc> BLOCKED: No.
[01:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73761 in soyuz "Missing support for any-i386 and linux-i386" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73761
[01:39] <cprov> DONE: finishing ppa-publish, general bug fixing (#73836, #74803), ppa-upload-support, p\
[01:39] <cprov> pa branch reorganisation.
[01:39] <cprov> TODO: review archive-rework
[01:39] <cprov> BLOCKED: no
[01:39] <SteveA> DONE: recruitment, management, bzr merging/resolving for beta.lp.net
[01:39] <SteveA> TODO: recruitment, management, more work on beta
[01:39] <SteveA> BLOCKED: no
[01:39] <jordi> TODO: import queue, email answering, more talk with Danilo
[01:39] <jordi> BLOCKED: no
[01:39] <kiko> DONE: let's see now. a lot of catching up with people. reviewing some UIs. discussing open issues. helping danilos, matt revell and co out.  Launchpad monthly report. Interviews. Fix issuezilla wa
[01:39] <kiko> tches and prune dead watches.
[01:39] <kiko> TODO: deployment report, interviews, rosetta management.
[01:39] <kiko> BLOCKED: rosetta landings and progress, but that's partially on me
[01:40] <jordi> And, for keep, bag, change... BAG: realise you need to go to the toilet just 5 mins after the meeting starts. I'm about to wet my pants :)
[01:40] <SteveA> TMI
[01:40] <SteveA> they have special BAGs for that, you know?
[01:40] <jordi> haha
[01:41] <SteveA> I've seen various template help-text landing recently
[01:41] <SteveA> thank you
[01:41] <kiko> can we keep the potty talk on SSL please
[01:41] <jamesh> jordi: at least you've realised that you're about to wet your pants
[01:41] <kiko> I don't want to have to share it
[01:41] <SteveA> jamesh: that'll be a need to CHANGE
[01:41] <flacoste> kiko: did you take a look at SupportTrackerRenaming?
[01:41] <SteveA> we have 3 minutes more
[01:41] <kiko> flacoste, I did not! thanks for reminding me and please keep doing it
[01:41] <SteveA> any other items?
[01:41] <SteveA> 7
[01:41] <SteveA> 6
[01:41] <SteveA> 5
[01:42] <SteveA> 4
[01:42] <SteveA> 3
[01:42] <SteveA> 2
[01:42] <SteveA> 1
[01:42] <kiko> SteveA, you know
[01:42] <SteveA> 0
[01:42] <flacoste> salgado: i would need your help with a test failure after the meeting
[01:42] <SteveA> ok
[01:42] <SteveA> kiko: I do?
[01:42] <salgado> flacoste, sure, just ping me
[01:42] <SteveA> End of meeting.  Thanks for being here, and being attentive everyone!
[01:42] <kiko> what if we just moved wiki.launchpad.canonical.com out of the way, and put a redirect from launchpad.canonical.com to wiki.launchpad.canonical.com
[01:42] <ddaa> SteveA: Well done.
[01:42] <niemeyer> jamesh: Are we settled for Feb 5th?
[01:43] <jamesh> niemeyer: yeah.  I should book the tickets
[01:43] <SteveA> kiko: yes, that's an option, but I want the information I mentioned in the email first
[01:43] <niemeyer> jamesh: Cool.. I'll be ready for it then
[01:43] <danilos> jordi: you're leaving a trail behind you... a wet trail... ;)
[01:43] <kiko> SteveA, the robots stuff
[01:43] <niemeyer> I'm looking forward to be able to nag kiko live
[01:44] <kiko> I am a great subject for nagging
[01:44] <SteveA> jamesh, niemeyer; did you get that trip arranged?
[01:44] <niemeyer> jamesh: I'll try to prepare the layer we need before getting there
[01:44] <SteveA> dates fixed?
[01:44] <SteveA> please mail the launchpad list with the dates for this
[01:45] <kiko> yes please
[01:45] <kiko> ASAP
[01:45] <niemeyer> SteveA: Yep, we were just talking about it
[01:45] <niemeyer> 5TH, FEB!
[01:45] <niemeyer> Done, anything else?
[01:45] <niemeyer> Kidding.. :)
[01:45] <kiko> book tickets and hotels
[01:45] <jordi> much better now :)
[01:45] <niemeyer> kiko: Hmm.. hotel.. :)
[01:46] <flacoste> salgado: i got a failure in xx-person-editlanguages.txt related
[01:46] <flacoste> to the +editmylanguages change
[01:46] <niemeyer> kiko: Can you give them a call, or hand me the phone number?
[01:46] <twb> The dependency graph at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/replacement-initscripts is too small to read
[01:47] <kiko> niemeyer, taci@#async can handle everything for you, just ping her when you have dates and people and she will book
[01:47] <matsubara> twb: bug 66344
[01:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66344 in blueprint "Dependency chart becomes unreadable with >12 dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66344
[01:47] <salgado> flacoste, can you paste the error?
[01:48] <twb> Good-o.
[01:48] <niemeyer> kiko: Awesme! Thanks
[01:48] <niemeyer> jamesh: Are we settled then? Can I move on?
[01:49] <kiko> most welcome niemeyer
[01:50] <flacoste> salgado: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filehCI3lL.html
[01:50] <flacoste> salgado: actually, this is not the original error
[01:52] <flacoste> what I added originally was: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filehTWZgK.html
[01:57] <kiko> malcc, ping
[01:57] <malcc> kiko: pong
[01:58] <salgado> flacoste, maybe that's because something went wrong when we splitted my localized-requests branch
[01:58] <kiko> malcc, can you send me an email with a plan for your next (last) week, even if it is a skeleton for me to flesh out with you?
[01:58] <flacoste> salgado: that's what I suspect
[01:58] <malcc> kiko: Sure
[01:58] <flacoste> some leftovers that you change in your branch but that I somehow reverted when merging
[01:58] <flacoste> flacoste: i'm investigating
[01:58] <flacoste> salgado: i'm investigating
[01:58] <salgado> exactly. do you have a complete diff of your tt-localized-requests branch?
[01:59] <kiko> malcc, thanks. try to pick off small but important bugs, and help cprov's overload
[01:59] <flacoste> yeah, I can have that
[01:59] <salgado> then I can help you investigate
[02:00] <cprov> kiko: malcc: ohh, thanks ;)
[02:01] <flacoste> salgado: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~flacoste/tt-localized-requests.diff
[02:05] <flacoste> salgado: the changes to xx-person-editlanguages.txt in that file should be ignored
[02:05] <flacoste> salgado: but I have two redirect tests added to lib/canonical/launchpad/pagetests/basics/notfound-traversals.txt
[02:05] <flacoste> i'm not sure that should be there
[02:05] <salgado> https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filek9Eurx.html
[02:05] <salgado> this should be removed too
[02:06] <flacoste> salgado: yeah, just saw that. I remove that and the check_redirect added to notfound-traversals?
[02:06] <salgado> the redirect tests added to lib/canonical/launchpad/pagetests/basics/notfound-traversals.txt should be reverted too
[02:06] <salgado> both of them, yes
[02:07] <flacoste> and what about the one on IRosettaApplication?
[02:08] <flacoste> salgado: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileWzkDJR.html
[02:08] <salgado> which one?
[02:08] <flacoste> should that be nuked also?
[02:08] <salgado> I don't think so. let me check
[02:09] <salgado> ah, right
[02:09] <salgado> that's the problem
[02:09] <salgado> yeah, remove that and your test will pass
[02:10] <flacoste> so I should remove those three chunks: person.zcml, rosetta.zcml and notfound-traversals.txt since you took care of that differently the branch you merged?
[02:10] <salgado> yeah
[02:10] <flacoste> ok, thanks a lot for helping sort this out!
[02:10] <salgado> you're welcome
[02:11] <flacoste> tt-localized-requests will now land
[02:11] <kiko> good job flacoste
[02:12] <flacoste> thx
[02:29] <kiko> either I've overloaded everybody else
[02:29] <kiko> or
[02:29] <kiko> shit, jordi.
[02:30] <jordi> !
[02:47] <matthewrevell> Would it be worth me checking the moderation queue on rosetta-users when you leave jordi?
[02:47] <jordi> matthewrevell: danilo was added to the moderators list this morning
[02:47] <matthewrevell> jordi: okay, cool
[02:47] <jordi> so it should be covered now, but talk to him about it
[02:47] <danilos> matthewrevell: and I see no problem in adding matthew there as well ;)
[02:48] <matthewrevell> :)
[02:48] <jordi> I could figure that :)
[02:49] <kiko> jordi, can we have matsubara and matthewrevell on that list as well?
[02:50] <danilos> kiko: don't be shy, you can moderate it as well :P
[02:50] <jordi> totally. the spam, when widely distributed, is best :)
[02:50] <kiko> I am kinda fucked for time lately :-(
[02:52] <jordi> danilos: do you know why there's many pending distro files in the import queue?
[02:53] <danilos> jordi: feisty stuff
[02:53] <jordi> danilos: some bug, bad packages?
[02:53] <danilos> jordi: not feisty?
[02:53] <jordi> oh, so they are being queued?
[02:53] <jordi> dunno
[02:53] <danilos> they looked all feisty to me, last I checked :)
[02:54] <jordi> there's edgy stuff in the first page
[02:54] <jordi> debian/iso-codes/pl.po in choose-mirror in Ubuntu Edgy
[02:54] <jordi> of course, this choose-mirror stuff should be on the ignore list.
[02:54] <danilos> btw, is there a something like 'cvs tag' (without '-b') in bzr?
[02:54] <jordi> z/build/lib.linux-sparc-2.4/zope/i18n/tests/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/zope-i18n.po in zope3 in Ubuntu Edgy
[02:55] <jordi> this is a "bug" in Rosetta, not knowing how to handle these layouts
[02:55] <danilos> yeah, they're completely standard
[02:55] <jordi> danilos: okay, so I see no feisty, I see mostly edgy here
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74816 in launchpad "Launchpad should return a 404 HTTP error instead of 500 for non-existant domains" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74816
[02:55] <danilos> jordi: hum, then probably most of it is real packages being uploaded in the meantime
[02:55] <jordi> oh I see feisty now
[02:56] <jordi> so there's stuff
[02:56] <jordi> there's *old* stuff there too :)
[02:56] <danilos> let me check on staging
[02:57] <danilos> oh, I don't have those privs, I forgot ;)
[03:06] <kiko> matthewrevell, ping?
[03:06] <matthewrevell> kiko: pong
[03:06] <kiko> matthewrevell, can you get your PGP key uploaded somewhere where I can find it?
[03:07] <matthewrevell> oh yes.
[03:07] <matthewrevell> Just a moment.
[03:07] <kiko> I'm asking because mutt drives me crazy when delaying to open your emails
[03:08] <matthewrevell> Ah
[03:08] <matthewrevell> I thought it was on the Ubuntu keyserver.
[03:08] <matthewrevell> Is that no good?
[03:08] <kiko> it's not up there
[03:08] <matthewrevell> hmm
[03:09] <kiko> kiko@beetle:~$ gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key D7FE03EA
[03:09] <kiko> gpg: requesting key D7FE03EA from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[03:09] <kiko> gpgkeys: key D7FE03EA not found on keyserver
[03:09] <kiko> matthewrevell, or I think you're signing your messages with the wrong key, then
[03:09] <kiko> (did you get my email on this subject?)
[03:09] <LarstiQ> is that why my key is on the ubuntu keyserver?
[03:10] <kiko> LarstiQ, it's linked in to the keyserver network afaik
[03:12] <LarstiQ> kiko: last I heard it wasn't, but I'm not too sure.
[03:14] <snail> where do i find out what changes were made in the two updates of gpg that happened recently in dapper?
[03:14] <kiko> snail, launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnupg
[03:14] <kiko> or something like that
[03:15] <matthewrevell> kiko: Yes, got your email. Right, I think I've re-sent my keys
[03:15] <kiko> cool
[03:15] <matthewrevell> I used gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys
[03:15] <matthewrevell> It didn't give me any feedback though
[03:16] <kiko> nope
[03:16] <kiko> use --send-key D7FE03EA
[03:16] <kiko> explicitly
[03:17] <kiko> matthewrevell, and try sending it to mit.edu as well
[03:20] <Gwaihir> I was browsing through translation of a user to cehck them...
[03:20] <Gwaihir> I would like to know onr thing:
[03:20] <matthewrevell> kiko: That seems to be doing something now. Thanks
[03:20] <Gwaihir> is a user is not a member of the translation team...
[03:20] <Gwaihir> how are marked her tanslations?
[03:20] <kiko> matthewrevell, yay
[03:21] <matthewrevell> Although, mit.edu refused my connection, but keyserver.ubuntu.com worked. Thanks for your help
[03:21] <kiko> well, not mit.edu directly
[03:21] <kiko> but they have a keyserver somewhere
[03:21] <salgado> pgp.mit.edu. IIRC
[03:22] <matthewrevell> done, thanks salgado
[03:24] <danilos> Gwaihir: they're just suggestions then
[03:24] <danilos> Gwaihir: there is no special marking other then them appearing among the suggestions, and not inside any of the 'used elsewhere' categories
[03:24] <Gwaihir> but are them being marked as suggestionS?
[03:27] <kiko> Gwaihir, yes, they are marked as suggestions. good to see you around Milo
[03:29] <Gwaihir> ;)
[03:29] <Gwaihir> thanks...
[03:29] <Gwaihir> but one thing...
[03:30] <Gwaihir> I see the translation of a non member inside the translation box...
[03:30] <Gwaihir> and not being a suggested...
[03:35] <BjornT> ddaa: ping
[03:35] <ddaa> BjornT: pong
[03:36] <twb> I thought it was pgp.ai.mit.edu
[03:36] <twb> Some subnode of CSAIL, anyway.
[03:36] <BjornT> ddaa: re cscvs/svn-peg-revision. will you ever finish that branch, or should it be removed from PendingReviews?
[03:37] <ddaa> ...
[03:37] <ddaa> I have not quite made my mind up...
[03:37] <ddaa> the actual bug was fixed by upgrading libsvn, no by my patch.
[03:38] <ddaa> Maybe I should still write a test case...
[03:39] <BjornT> ddaa: ok. so how about if i move it work-in-progress then?
[03:39] <ddaa> fine
[03:39] <BjornT> cool
[03:41] <Gwaihir> ... looks I was watching the wrong user...
[03:41] <Gwaihir> :o
[03:42] <kiko> Gwaihir, okay, point me to a URL if you see something that looks wrong.
[03:43] <Gwaihir> kiko: sure! ;)
[03:43] <Gwaihir> how are things with 68014?
[03:46] <kiko> Gwaihir, waiting for carlos to come back :-(
[03:47] <Gwaihir> ah ok! ;)
[03:57] <SteveA> thunderbold and lightning
[03:58] <SteveA> very very frightning
[03:58] <SteveA> me
[03:58] <kiko> what a sissy
[03:59] <SteveA> that's not right... it's "galileo" next I think
[04:00] <kiko> mmmmmmmmmm
[04:07] <Gwaihir> bohemian rhapsody...
[04:11] <jamesh> kiko: if I'm going to Brazil, is there any other stuff that'd be worth doing in person while I'm there?
[04:11] <kiko> jamesh, you mean, office-safe right?
[04:12] <kiko> seriously, work-related or not?
[04:12] <jamesh> kiko: the only thing I can think of at the moment would be some work on the OOPS reporting system with matsubara -- maybe work on the error reporting for scripts stuff
[04:12] <jamesh> work related.
[04:12] <kiko> jamesh, whew, I have a ton of stuff I'd like to work with you on
[04:12] <kiko> a lot of the little boring infrastructural issues that we need
[04:13] <kiko> you could even help doing the rosetta DB refactoring if you want to spend the time
[04:13] <kiko> how much in a hurry are you to get back to WA?
[04:14] <jamesh> given the length of time it takes to get to Brazil, staying two weeks wouldn't be too bad.
[04:14] <jamesh> I mentioned the error reporting for scripts stuff because we'll probably be merging the two database adapters when moving to the new ORM
[04:14] <kiko> danilos, feel like visiting brazil in february?
[04:14] <kiko> jamesh, that does sound like a good plan.
[04:15] <danilos> kiko: sure, sounds warm :)
[04:15] <jamesh> so we'd be able to collect all the database related stats for non-webapp OOPS's
[04:15] <danilos> kiko: but be sure to let me know of such plan beforehand, since visa takes time for some countries
[04:17] <kiko> danilo-brb, go apply, you are booked.
[04:17] <kiko> danilo-brb, 1-2 weeks in february
[04:17] <jamesh> kiko: so, I'll book the flight tomorrow to stay for an extra week.
[04:17] <kiko> jamesh, sounds good.
[04:17] <kiko> jamesh, not 3 weeks? :-)
[04:21] <jamesh> kiko: don't know.  Is there that much stuff to do? :)
[04:22] <kiko> jamesh, yeah, there is
[04:22] <kiko> so if you want to stay please do
[04:23] <jamesh> okay.  I'll book for three weeks then.
[04:24] <kiko> will be good to have you around
[04:27] <jamesh> from memory, it is better to get an afternoon return flight due to the bus trip from sao carlos, right?
[04:33] <kiko-fud> jamesh, exactly.
[04:33] <kiko-fud> very good
[04:34] <jamesh> kiko-fud: looks like awstats classes bzr as an unknown browser :)
[04:50] <sabdfl> SteveA: the dropdown menu on the UI branch appears to be b0rked
[04:50] <sabdfl> how's the connection of beta to production db going?
[04:52] <SteveA> sabdfl: scheduled to be hooked up tomomrrow
[04:52] <SteveA> the UI branch isn't up to date.  I'm resolving some pagetest issues integrating it.
[04:52] <SteveA> take a look on the beta server EOD tomorrow
[04:53] <SteveA> (when I say scheduled, looks like it's going to be moving to a new box, so stub has arranged with admins time to get that sorted)
[04:55] <sabdfl> cool, thanks
[04:55] <sabdfl> dropdown menus?
[04:55] <sabdfl> don't seem to be... dropping
[04:59] <jamesh> sabdfl: mpt started the beta stylesheet from scratch, so it is probably just a case of it missing the rules needed for the lpmenu.js stuff.
[05:00] <sabdfl> thanks jamesh. will mail mpt.
[05:00] <SteveA> mpt is on vac
[05:00] <SteveA> sabdfl: mail me.  I'll look next week, once we've got beta going
[05:00] <SteveA> for this week, I'm kinda focused on getting beta working, and recruitment issues
[05:01] <sabdfl> i've filed a bug on mpt
[05:01] <sabdfl> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/74839
[05:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74839 in launchpad "Dropdown menus in 1.0 UI do not drop down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:02] <SteveA> thanks
[05:02] <SteveA> sabdfl: were you looking at the rocketfuel/launchpad/ui-one-zero branch?
[05:03] <sabdfl> SteveA: looking at beta.launchpad.net
[05:04] <SteveA> thanks
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74839 in launchpad "Dropdown menus in 1.0 UI do not drop down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74839
[05:11] <matthewrevell> Does 1.0 see the Rosetta, Malone, etc names disappear completely?
[05:11] <SteveA> matthewrevell: sort of
[05:11] <SteveA> we have translations, bugs, blueprints, code, answers
[05:12] <matthewrevell> So, on the translations overview page we wouldn't mention the name Rosetta.
[05:12] <SteveA> it needn't, but should if it will avoid confusion
[05:12] <SteveA> what do you think about it?
[05:12] <matthewrevell> I prefer the new descriptive names.
[05:13] <matthewrevell> However
[05:13] <matthewrevell> perhaps we should have some reference to the previous names to avoid confusion
[05:13] <matthewrevell> I can't imagine too many people would be confused, though. They're all "does what it says on the tin" names, after all.
[05:14] <SteveA> sure.  let me get you access to the new UI, and you can see if you can improve things...
[05:14] <matthewrevell> I'm writing text for the 1.0 marketing pages, atm
[05:14] <matthewrevell> cool, thanks
[05:49] <matthewrevell> Is there a way to find out roughly how many people have used Rosetta?
[05:54] <SteveA> yes
[09:18] <Gwaihir> hi...
[09:18] <Gwaihir> one thing...
[09:18] <Gwaihir> inside a translation, in the overview box, there are two links
[09:19] <Gwaihir> one to "Switching language" and the other one to "View template"...
[09:19] <Gwaihir> but they are the same
[09:24] <matsubara> Gwaihir: indeed.
[09:24] <matsubara> Gwaihir: could you please file a bug?
[09:24] <Gwaihir> sure!
[09:25] <matsubara> Gwaihir: give me the bug number as soon as you file it, please.
[09:26] <Gwaihir> ok... i'm on a dial-up...
[09:28] <Gwaihir> while I wait the page to load...
[09:28] <Gwaihir> isn't the "All translator" box a little "unuseful"?
[09:29] <Gwaihir> I mean... when I'm inside a translation I only need the "Contributors" box...
[09:29] <Gwaihir> maybe a link to the team page would be useful
[09:31] <matsubara> Gwaihir: that will definitely change in the new UI
[09:31] <Gwaihir> that's great! ;)
[09:31] <Gwaihir> matsubara: bug is #74871
[09:32] <matsubara> thanks Gwaihir
[09:32] <Gwaihir> you're welcome!
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74871 in rosetta "Links in overview box are the same" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74871
[10:25] <dthacker> Does Canonical sell Launchpad?
[10:27] <thumper> dthacker: no
[10:28] <thumper> not in the general case
[10:42] <kiko> dthacker, no for most practical uses. use and enjoy.
[10:52] <thumper> jamesh: can you ping me when you are around?


[06:11] <vinny> hey all
[06:11] <vinny> I would like to join #java
[06:11] <vinny> to ask about java webservices
[06:11] <vinny> but it is invite only
[06:11] <vinny> any one knows how to get this invite?


[00:47] <Sqweegel> Hello. I'm sure other people already asked this but, is there any way I can see when LXQT 1.1.0 (or 1.0.0) will be available for Lubuntu 22.04 LTS on the official repositories?
[01:01] <kryten> !latest | Sqweegel
[01:02] <kryten> So I think the answer to that question is "never"
[01:31] <Sqweegel> :o
[01:31] <Sqweegel> !backports
[01:47] <guiverc> Sqweegel, someone has packaged it via a PPA, and I've heard that people did test it.. but as to quality (test grade? production grate?) you'd have to decide for yourself
[02:05] <Sqweegel> !ppa
[02:05] <Sqweegel> guiverc, yeah, I saw someone from the LXQT team made a ppa
[02:22] <Sqweegel> !sru
[02:26] <Sqweegel> kryten, guiverc, thank you for your help :)
[10:20] <jailbreak> Why wasn't LXQt 1.0 used? instead an old version? makes no sense...
 It’ll come ;) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <jailbreak> Why wasn't LXQt 1.0 used? instead an old version? makes no sense...)
[10:21] <jailbreak> When? it should have been shipped with it!!
 Use Arch if you want the latest Lxqt DE
[10:21] <jailbreak> nah.
[10:23] <jailbreak> oh well, won't be using it. bye. :-D
[12:51] <Guest6900> Hi, thank you for the new release of Lubuntu. Unfortunately, I couldn't install. The installation program stopped with an error message, see screenshot. Could someone help me? I have a HP Compaq 6910p, and Lubuntu 18.04 worked well.
[13:02] <guiverc> I don't see any link to a screenshot Guest6900
[13:03] <Guest6900> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6c035a423dd1007e8a1cb6a99debd52c/screen.jpg
[13:03] <Guest6900> I'm sorry, it was still in the queueu for upload...
[13:06] <guiverc> did the media verification report as completed successfully?  Guest6900
 It looks much like system media is kaputt
 I mean the media you're tring to install system from
[13:11] <Guest6900> ok, I will try another USB stick. Thank's for the answer.
[13:15] <ebr> hi
[15:14] <terrence> test
[19:18] <ILOVEROCKANDROLL> hildfe
[19:18] <ILOVEROCKANDROLL> hilfe
 What happened? Emergency? Should we call police/fire? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <ILOVEROCKANDROLL> hilfe)


[00:25] <BenC> slangasek: in saucy, linux-libc-dev:i386 and linux-libc-dev:powerpc cannot be installed at the same time :/
[00:26] <slangasek> hmm, really?  they're at the same version
[00:26] <slangasek> so they ought to be
[00:27] <slangasek> BenC: pastebin me some apt output?
[00:51] <BenC> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6423974/
[01:01] <BenC> slangasek: so a version mismatch of 3.11.0-12.19(ppc) and <IP_ADDRESS>.20(i386) will make it uninstallable?
[01:01] <BenC> Seems so...I can install it now
[01:01] <BenC> SRU mismatch
[01:11] <BenC> slangasek: libc6-dev conflicts now (installing :powerpc removes :i386)
[01:11] <BenC> slangasek: how I can get apt-get to show how it's depsolving this?
[01:11] <BenC> It's the same version, too
[01:12] <slangasek> apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes  ?
[01:14] <BenC> slangasek: And sorry, it's libc6-dev:amd64 it is conflicting with
[01:14] <slangasek> still shouldn't conflict - but they do have to be at the same version
[01:16] <BenC> They are the same version.
[01:16] <slangasek> hmm
[01:16] <slangasek> what does 'apt-get install libc6-dev:amd64 libc6-dev:powerpc' say?
[01:16] <BenC> It appears part of the problem has to do with libc6-dev-powerpc-cross
[01:16] <slangasek> ah, hmm
[01:17] <BenC> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6424041/
[01:21] <slangasek> ok, that's odd
[01:21] <slangasek> and an 'apt-get -f install' doesn't fall over, or something?
[01:27] <BenC> slangasek: tries to upgrade linux-libc-dev:amd64, but that's all
[01:27] <slangasek> ah, so you probably need that upgrade to happen first
[01:27] <slangasek> and then the rest of the conflicts should just go away
[01:28] <BenC> If I upgrade that, it removes linux-libc-dev:powerpc
[01:28] <BenC> Because then it doesn't match versions
[01:28] <slangasek> hum
[01:28] <slangasek> well, you need them to be matched
[01:29] <BenC> linux-libc-dev:(amd64|powerpc) are matched on the system right now
[01:29] <BenC> And everything is satisfied
[01:29] <slangasek> but 'apt-get -f install' wants to upgrade it?
[01:29] <slangasek> that's strange
[01:29] <BenC> You're right, that is strange, but it gave me no problems on downgrade
[01:29] <slangasek> this is amd64?
[01:29] <slangasek> (the main architecture)
[01:30] <BenC> $ dpkg --print-architecture
[01:30] <BenC> amd64
[01:30] <slangasek> why can you not upgrade both :amd64 and :powerpc?
[01:31] <BenC> Oh, wait!
[01:31] <BenC> Maybe I should add powerpc updates and security :/
[01:31] <slangasek> aha
[01:31] <slangasek> yes :)
[01:34] <BenC> Damnit...that fixes the linux-libc-dev problem, but still won't let me install libc6-dev:powerpc
[01:35] <BenC> slangasek: apt-get -f install
[01:35] <BenC> Now shows nothing
[01:35] <BenC> No upgrades available
[01:46] <BenC> slangasek: I've purged all the powerpc packages...starting from scratch...what's the main package to install to get this rolling?
[01:54] <BenC> slangasek: So the main thing is I can install a cross build environment without problems, base build...but to install libncurses5-dev:powerpc requires linux-libc-dev:powerpc (as opposed to linux-libc-dev-cross-powerpc)
[01:55] <BenC> There is no complimentary libncurses5-dev-cross-powerpc :/
[03:38] <BenC> slangasek: so "apt-get install libc6-dev:powerpc" wanted to remove gcc, but "apt-get install libc6-dev:powerpc gcc" allowed it to install without issue
[03:38] <BenC> slangasek: Sounds like a problem in apt-get's dep solver relating to Multi-Arch
[04:12] <linuxtech> I have an old laptop that I upgraded to saucy and it will only boot the earlier 3.8 kernel.  The 3.11, including the proposed, hangs on "Platform eisa.0: Probing EISA bus 0"  I also tried the 3.12.0-999 kernel at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2013-11-07-saucy/ Any suggestions?
[14:11] <apw> linuxtech, you should file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug linux' and let us know the number, note in the description that the version you are reporting on works, and which versios you have tried which do not.  we can then suggest some versions to try to identify where the issue was introduced
[19:06] <jovando> hello everybody, i need help for my other pc, because i cant boot anymore after kernel-test-phase
[19:09] <jovando> this is the mail after i have reported to launchpad: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6376813/
[19:10] <jovando> please help!!
[19:14] <jovando> The main problem is because of the fail load of fallback graphics devices
[19:14] <jovando> any idea?
[19:15] <melodie> what is your gpu?
[19:15] <JanC> jovando: selecting another kernel in the boot menu doesn't work?
[19:16] <jovando> yes it doesn+
[19:16] <jovando> t
[19:17] <JanC> wait, you're using Netrunner, not Ubuntu?
[19:18] <jovando> before testing a new kernel (according to kernel team or launchpad) the last kernel i could use was the kernel "Netrunner, with Linux 3.2.0-52-generic-pae"
[19:19] <jovando> after installing the test kernel i was able to boot one time to KDE but after a recommended restart -> no kernel work any more because of the fallback graphic devices *fail*
[19:20] <JanC> "VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G96M [GeForce 9600M GT] [10de:0649] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])"
[19:20] <jovando> yes and they forwarded me to ubuntu-kernel forum, because this is a kernel-issue
[19:21] <jovando> yes this is my graphic card
[19:22] <jovando> does anyone have any idea to prevent the fail of fallback graphic devices?
[19:22] <JanC> jovando: I'm not sure if Netrunner has different kernels from Ubuntu's?
[19:24] <melodie> JanC do you have the non free driver for nvidia installed?
[19:25] <melodie> and I am assuming nouveau would be installed in your system
[19:25] <jovando> i am also not very good at linux issues, because i use linux since 2 years (just for information)
[19:25] <melodie> I started in 2005
[19:25] <jovando> i dont know if there are different kernels - the next is that i use a pae kernel version
[19:25] <melodie> and I am not yet good at all issues although I used several families of distributions over time
[19:26] <jovando> at "additional drivers" i have installed the recommended driver
[19:26] <jovando> i think version 347
[19:26] <JanC> jovando: one problem is that you seem to use Netrunner, not Ubuntu, and this is a channel for Ubuntu; maybe there is a channel for Netrunner somewhere?
[19:26] <melodie> jovando do you have nvidia non free blob or not? If you do, you could start a live, chroot and remove the nvidia (apt-get autoremove --purge -y nvidia)
[19:26] <jovando> i dont know if this was a non-free driver....
[19:27] <melodie> jovando what does the error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[19:27] <JanC> if Netrunner is enough like Ubuntu, that might work...
[19:27] <jovando> what is nouveau?
[19:27] <melodie> jovando try this command:
[19:27] <melodie> nouveau is the free driver
[19:27] <melodie> and it works (now)
[19:28] <melodie> so your system might meet with a conflict between drivers, so for the testing purposes at least you should remove nvidia driver
[19:28] <melodie> if you have it installed
[19:28] <jovando> netrunner is very similar a kubuntu version
[19:29] <melodie> you should look from within a live cd or live usb if you find the error messages related to "Driver" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:29] <melodie> jovando just do that, boot to live and have a look, then if you have nvidia installed, just remove it
[19:29] <melodie> you know how to chroot probably?
[19:29] <jovando> ok, the problem is i cant boot - how can i look and report the "Driver" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:30] <melodie> and mount and or bind /dev to dev/ and such?
[19:30] <melodie> jovando with a LIVE CD
[19:30] <melodie> I just told you
[19:30] <jovando> sry, what does chroot means?
[19:31] <jovando> jep, sry one moment i will try
[19:32] <melodie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[19:32] <melodie> chroot means you change the root
[19:32] <melodie> when the partition / is mounted, to /media for example
[19:32] <melodie> then you cd to /media
[19:32] <jovando> ok, cd boot now ...
[19:32] <melodie> then the command "sudo chroot ." will get the / of the distro which is in the hdd at the level of the / of the live
[19:33] <melodie> from within the console of course
[19:33] <melodie> you have to mount a few more things first so that what you will do in the chroot is well registered in the system
[19:33] <melodie> I think this is appropriate:
[19:33] <melodie> mount none -t proc /proc
[19:33] <melodie> mount none -t sysfs /sys
[19:33] <melodie> mount none -t devpts /dev/pts
[19:33] <jovando> ok, it needs a little bit time - still booting
[19:34] <melodie> once the / of the hdd mounted to /media of course
[19:34] <melodie> jovando take note
[19:34] <jovando> thanks in advance for advise
[19:34] <melodie> of the two following links:
[19:34] <melodie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[19:34] <melodie> I don't know the mount and bind relevant commands by heart so I go to that page to find them again when in need:
[19:34] <melodie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[19:35] <melodie> if you meet with error messages about other directories not mounted when you will be in the chroot just leave the chroot by typing "exit" in the console, and add the missing mount point, then again chroot
[19:36] <melodie> just pay attention : /dev is not the same thing as dev/ : according to where in the system you are located from within the console
[19:36] <melodie> once chrooted, you can seek for nvidia in the chrooted system, ie with a command such as "dpkg -S nvidia"
[19:36] <melodie> if you see a long list then it means it is installed
[19:37] <jovando> ok, i try the point: Update Failure
[19:37] <melodie> if you just type "apt-get autoremove --purge -y nvidia" and it does remove nvidia and packages it is as good
[19:37] <melodie> I am hurrying because it's almost time for dinner her
[19:37] <melodie> here
[19:37] <melodie> I don't know what is "Update Failure" ?
[19:38] <jovando> under you first link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[19:41] <melodie> jovando this first link is just to tell you how to use a live cd, all the rest may not refer to your present case
[19:42] <melodie> while I'm here I have a general question, does someone know how long the SRU process can be before a patch committed by someone hits the newer kernel coming in the repos?
[19:42] <melodie> I have a concern about the 3.2.0 serie for Precise because I can't use zram-config with it
[19:43] <jovando> what does SRU process mean?
[19:44] <melodie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:44] <melodie> thanks google "SRU Ubuntu" ;-)
[19:47] <jovando> i can just say that approx. every 2 weeks i have to update my kernel over the repos, but you mean something different, don't you?
[19:53] <jovando> ok, i have studied the links
[19:54] <jovando> now you recommend to purge via: apt-get autoremove --purge -y nvidia?
[19:57] <jovando> have a good snack first, melodie :-)
[20:01] <jovando> ok, so first i have to change root before i can purge?
[20:04] <jovando> can anyone give me advise what to do next?
[20:07] <jovando> or can somebody give me advise to chroot?
[20:10] <jovando> Do i need the packages "Casper" and "debootstrap"?
[20:16] <jovando> i found another way to purge, but the console says: E: Unable to locate package nvidia
[20:16] <jovando> what can i use instead of: apt-get autoremove --purge -y nvidia?
[20:19] <melodie> jovando reread what I told you:
[20:19] <melodie> mount the system partition, do the necessary bindings, then chroot to be *inside* the system
[20:19] <melodie> then type your remove command line
[20:20] <jovando> i try but i am also not so good in english
[20:20] <melodie> jovando if you don't talk English of French I can't help more :)
[20:20] <melodie> being good in English will come with practice, don't worry about that
[20:20] <jovando> i try my best
[20:21] <jovando> ok, i am booting now the live cd again
[20:22] <jovando> so i am at gui of live cd
[20:22] <jovando> the link says i need casper for chroot,,? it's a little bit difficult for me to know what i need to solve the problem
[20:24] <jovando> ok, now i have also internet on live cd
[20:26] <jovando> i think i have mounted the hard-disks now
[20:28] <jovando> i think i have chroot with sudo, the only problem is that the nvidia package is unable to locate
[20:28] <jovando> do you know what to do in this case?
[20:33] <linuxtech> apw: bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251816  Boot failure with saucy kernel 3.11 probing eisa
[20:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1251816 in linux (Ubuntu) "Boot failure with saucy kernel 3.11 probing eisa" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:39] <melodie> jovando you don't need casper to chroot /o\
[20:40] <melodie> jovando if you chrooted then do this command now:
[20:40] <melodie> grep Driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log and paste the result to http://pastebin.com
[20:40] <melodie> then bring back the url
[20:41] <melodie> grep will filter and seek the word Driver in the Xorg.0.log file which is under /var/log and we will see what it says
[20:41] <melodie> or you could as well copy the whole file Xorg.0.log to pastebin and I will look
[20:42] <jovando> ok, om
[20:43] <melodie> jovando ping me once done, I'll be talking on other chans too
[20:45] <jovando> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428411
[20:47] <melodie> ok
[20:48] <melodie> jovando from lines 14 to 26 it shows you have the nouveau driver in action. so do just the reverse that I told you: install the non free driver nvidia and remove nouveau driver and nouveau firmware
[20:48] <melodie> then reboot once or twice
[20:48] <melodie> the package name you will find with "dpkg -S nouveau"
[20:48] <melodie> package names*
[20:48] <melodie> install nvidia first
[20:49] <melodie> I think the nvidia current version should do, perhaps checking this detail at geforce website would help ensure it is correct
[20:50] <jovando> this is the hole file of Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428428
[20:51] <melodie> jovando ok so don't do what I just said
[20:51] <melodie> look at lines 107 to 110
[20:51] <melodie> and then I'll explain what I think
[20:53] <k1l_> make sure you got the kernel headers
[20:53] <jovando> ok, so the module does not exist
[20:53] <melodie> no no
[20:53] <melodie> not just that
[20:53] <jovando> ok, just one information in advance: i am still in live boot - is this ok?
[20:53] <melodie> the last file is not complete
[20:54] <melodie> you might want to install pastebinit and do "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[20:54] <melodie> yes, you need to be in the live boot in chroot in a console to be inside the system which is on the hard drive
[20:55] <melodie> in the chroot type "apt-get install pastebinit
[20:55] <melodie> "
[20:55] <melodie> without the quotes of course
[20:55] <melodie> tell me if you can install it?
[20:55] <jovando> ok, so i already used chroot and i wasnt aware of that?
[20:55] <melodie> aware of what?
[20:56] <jovando> that i chroot
[20:56] <jovando> i didnt installed anything of that what was in your link - i just used sudo
[20:56] <melodie> well when you are in a swimming pool under the water with a diving equipment you are aware where you are, right?
[20:57] <melodie> when you are in a chroot you are root
[20:57] <melodie> so you don't need sudo
[20:57] <melodie> when you are in a chrooted system in a console you have the # at the end of the prompt
[20:57] <melodie> and when you type "ls" you see all the directories which are inside / in your hard drive. Is that ok ?
[20:58] <melodie> in the normal live system when you open a console you are in /home/ubuntu : is that ok so far?
[20:58] <jovando> the # isnt here, but i can see all in the system with ls - this is how i reported the xorg.0.log file
[20:59] <melodie> the # must be there
[20:59] <melodie> if you report the wrong file system it is meaningless
[20:59] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428428/
[20:59] <melodie> your prompt does not show
[21:00] <melodie> I'll chroot one of my own systems and paste the result to show you
[21:00] <jovando> at this here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428411/
[21:00] <melodie> I will chroot this one:
[21:00] <melodie> /dev/sdb3: LABEL="MiniBuntu" UUID="2faa1046-6563-4f33-b82c-ce316f35664a" TYPE="ext4" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="000c3e38-03"
[21:01] <melodie> there: is "netrunner@netrunner:~$"
[21:01] <melodie> not good
[21:01] <melodie> you are user in the live system
[21:01] <jovando> what do you do to know so much about that?
[21:01] <melodie> we need to be root inside the system
[21:02] <jovando> ok, i hope it is not complicated to chroot
[21:02] <melodie> I have been using and learning since 2004 without stopping one day, you don't want to know all about the file system and all tips and tricks just in two years, do you?
[21:02] <jovando> how can i do that?
[21:02] <melodie> it is not once you will have understood the principle, just look at the example I will provide now and you might get it instantly
 I will chroot this one:
 /dev/sdb3: LABEL="MiniBuntu" UUID="2faa1046-6563-4f33-b82c-ce316f35664a" TYPE="ext4" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="000c3e38-03"
[21:03] <melodie> [joyce@squirrel:~]$ sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
[21:03] <jovando> i learnt much, but the terminal commands are not so easy for me...
[21:03] <melodie> [joyce@squirrel:~]$
[21:03] <melodie> just read please, for now and stay focused
[21:03] <melodie> now my mini buntu is mounted to the /mnt directory
[21:04] <melodie> $ cd /mnt
[21:04] <melodie> $
[21:04] <melodie> $ls
[21:04] <melodie> bin   dev  home        lib         media  opt   root  sbin     srv  tmp  var
[21:04] <melodie> boot  etc  initrd.img  lost+found  mnt    proc  run   selinux  sys  usr  vmlinuz
[21:05] <melodie> let's say I have done the mount and bind necessary to have the /dev partition under /mnt populated
[21:05] <melodie> or not: I will do the mount commands
[21:05] <melodie> $ sudo mount -o bind  /dev dev/
[21:05] <jovando> i can i find out which disk to mount?
[21:05] <melodie> $
[21:06] <melodie> with "sudo blkid" you will get information about all partitions available, be they mounted or not mounted
[21:06] <melodie> $ sudo mount -o bind /sys/ sys/
[21:06] <melodie> $
[21:07] <melodie> $ sudo mount -o bind /dev/pts dev/pts/
[21:07] <melodie> $
[21:07] <melodie> next is just typing:
[21:07] <melodie> $ sudo chroot .
[21:07] <melodie> the . means "here"
[21:07] <melodie> now my prompt is this : root@squirrel:/#
[21:08] <melodie> the # pwd command tells me where I am:
[21:08] <melodie> root@squirrel:/# pwd
[21:08] <melodie> root@squirrel:/#
[21:08] <jovando> ok, but first i have to do the sudo mount -o bind ...
[21:08] <jovando> ?
[21:08] <melodie> I have "CHanged Root"
[21:08] <melodie> chroot
[21:09] <jovando> ok, so easy :-)
[21:09] <jovando> i am root now
[21:09] <jovando> with the #
[21:09] <melodie> yes, because it will allow populating the /dev partition of your system in hdd and it will allow for some logs to be updated when you will install or uninstall some components
[21:09] <melodie> jovando you see? A good example is better than a long explanation
[21:09] <jovando> jep :-)
[21:10] <melodie> check if you are having the network connection, do a ping to google.com for instance (in the chroot)
[21:10] <jovando> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428531
[21:11] <melodie> I am not sure I provided all the mount commands necessary but if you see a message error later it will be easy to correct and add a missing mount (by exiting the chroot, adding the missing mount point and chrooting again)
[21:11] <jovando> yes i have ping of approx. 200
[21:12] <melodie> something is wrong in your pastebin
[21:12] <melodie> very wrong
[21:12] <melodie> I will comment line by line
[21:12] <melodie> netrunner@netrunner:/$ sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
[21:13] <melodie> you have assumed that your /dev/sdb3 is the same as mine. Huge error, in your partition it is a Windows install or other Windows partition
[21:13] <melodie> as says the sentence:
[21:13] <melodie> "Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.
[21:13] <melodie> The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which
[21:13] <melodie> could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command."
[21:14] <melodie> (I should get paid for a full course)
[21:14] <melodie> jovando you were already in the / of the live:
[21:14] <melodie> netrunner@netrunner:/$ sudo blkid
[21:14] <melodie> see ?
[21:14] <melodie> netrunner@netrunner:/$
[21:14] <jovando> yes you should get paid :-)
[21:15] <melodie> and from there you have just chrooted !
[21:15] <jovando> i can send you via ... anything
[21:15] <melodie> you didn't even read the warning !
[21:16] <melodie> here is not the good chan for a full course, come to #linuxvillage and I might point to a Free software actor where you can send a little donation if you are willing to
[21:18] <k1l_> jovando: i dont think that this fits into the kernel channel. its very low level support asked from you: see this german ubuntu chroot howto http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chroot/Live-CD
[21:18] <jovando> i think i know what you mean
[21:18] <k1l_> and again: no guarantee that this works with netrunner OS. i would suggest to talk to their support
[21:18] <jovando> i should mount the right partition first - then i go in with chroot
[21:18] <jovando> right?
[21:19] <jovando> should we go an in the other channel now?
[21:34] <melodie> k1l_ it's ok I take it from here with jovando on my chan dedicated to all topics


[22:05] <bdx> hey, just checking out the status beta at staging.jujucharms.com - looks awesome, nice work!