[18:56] <Rinchen> hello MootBot!
[18:57] <statik> is mootbot back?
[18:57] <Rinchen> it is
[18:58] <Rinchen> it was working yesterday
[18:58] <Rinchen> so we shall see today
[18:58] <statik> very cool
[18:58] <Rinchen> the re-write from eggdrop to ubottu hasn't happened yet but it planned
[18:58] <statik> mwhudson_: I'm loving the new import system, I get email notifications as new revisions come in!
[18:59] <kiko-fud> meee
[18:59] <Rinchen> yep, his ntp server is fixed
[19:00]  * Rinchen crosses his fingers
[19:00] <Rinchen> #startmeeting
[19:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:01.  Apologies from statik
[19:04] <MootBot> AGREED received:  same time next week. Apologies from statik
[19:04] <Rinchen> [TOPIC]  Actions from last meeting
[19:04] <MootBot> New Topic:   Actions from last meeting
[19:05] <Rinchen> one, and it was completed
[19:05] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Oops report (Matsubara)
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oops report (Matsubara)
[19:05] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 236425, 228307
[19:05] <matsubara> sinzui, how's #236425 fix coming?
[19:05] <matsubara> schwuk, any news about 228307?
[19:05] <sinzui> matsubara: it is in PQM
[19:06] <matsubara> flacost, I've seen a couple of CyclicalTeamMembershipError. isn't that one fixed?
[19:06] <schwuk> matsubara: not yet
[19:06] <matsubara> cool. thanks sinzui
[19:06] <sinzui> matsubara: about 18 hours form landing :(
[19:06] <schwuk> matsubara: but the hwdb oops are continuing
[19:07] <Rinchen> it must be coming from New Zealand
[19:07] <salgado> matsubara, CyclicalTeamMembershipError? where did you see them?
[19:07] <matsubara> schwuk: yeah, I wonder if the UploadFailed errors are related
[19:07] <matsubara> salgado: https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/oops.cgi/2008-05-31/F1254
[19:07] <salgado> oh, when reassigning?
[19:07] <schwuk> matsubara: most likely
[19:08] <matsubara> schwuk: hmm I'll add those errors to the timeout report then. thanks
[19:08] <salgado> matsubara, hadn't seen that one, but I was expecting them to show up
[19:08] <matsubara> salgado: +editproposedmember, I'll follow up with you after the meeting then
[19:09] <matsubara> Rinchen: I'm done. Thanks
[19:09] <salgado> ok
[19:09] <matsubara> thanks everyone
[19:09] <Rinchen> thanks matsubara
[19:09] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[19:09] <Rinchen> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/237086
[19:09] <Rinchen> Stale PID - mars, how are you coming with this?
[19:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/237086
[19:09] <mars> Rinchen, the fix should be running right now
[19:09] <Rinchen> excellente
[19:09] <Rinchen> thanks
[19:09] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Bug tags
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug tags
[19:10] <Rinchen> we have no new requests
[19:10] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[19:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[19:10] <herb> Friday (2008-05-30) we did the re-roll. Since then, we've had one CP for r6407 on Monday (2008-06-02). We have one CP, r6410, waiting for approval.
[19:10] <herb> A branch with configs for the restricted librarian is in the queue at the moment. The directory has been set up on the server. We're just waiting for the branch to land.
[19:10] <herb> We've started work on the Debian import machine.
[19:10] <herb> We had an issue occur Tuesday (2008-06-02). A spike in load on the production DB server caused performance problems with LP. The site became so slow it was virtually unresponsive. Seems similar to the bug filed back in April: Bug #224623.
[19:10] <Rinchen> [LINK] http://launchpad.net/bugs/224623
[19:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://launchpad.net/bugs/224623
[19:11] <herb> that's it from Tom and me unless there are questions.
[19:12] <Rinchen> herb, was there any more data from Tuesday that can be added to the bug report?
[19:12] <Rinchen> herb, without more definition I don't think stub can narrow it down
[19:12] <herb> Rinchen: there are the debug logs that we typically get.  I can throw them in there.
[19:13] <Rinchen> herb, ok, please do. stub can evaluate if it need further detail after he views them
[19:13] <herb> I'm happy to try to collect more info if the problem occurs again.  Just would need some direction as to what would be helpful.
[19:13] <Rinchen> btw, herb and mthaddon, I really like the format you use for your report.
[19:13] <Rinchen> stub, any words of wisdom here?
[19:13] <stub> No - I haven't found where the debug logs are yet.
[19:14] <Rinchen> ok.  thanks
[19:14] <cprov> herb: thanks for start working on the gina-machine.
[19:14] <herb> stub: I'll attach it to the bug above.
[19:14] <mthaddon> stub, on hackberry in ~postgres/logs
[19:14] <Rinchen> Any questions for herb and mthaddon?
[19:14] <herb> cprov: thank mthaddon, he's been heading that up.
[19:14] <Rinchen> thanks herb
[19:14] <cprov> mthaddon: thanks ;)
[19:14] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] DBA report (stub)
[19:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  DBA report (stub)
[19:14] <cprov> what about the restricted librarian ?
[19:14] <mthaddon> cprov, see above
[19:15] <cprov> mthaddon: duh, sorry, I missed that.
[19:15] <mthaddon> :)
[19:15] <stub> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slony1/+bug/236749 is blocking me testing a low downtime PG 8.3 upgrade procedure. If we can't get a package built, we either need to do a manual install (with the crappy workarounds for hardy mentioned in the bug report) or take the downtime hit.
[19:15] <stub> Both Abel and Danilo are having similar Unicode issues at the moment, where the DB is running in the C locale so lower() doesn't always give correct results.
[19:15] <Rinchen> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slony1/+bug/236749
[19:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slony1/+bug/236749
[19:16] <stub> I need to investigate if there are still functional index bugs in PostgreSQL that will stop us using them as the solution to their problems.
[19:16] <kiko> stub, why don't we use slony on 8.3?
[19:16] <stub> Because that doesn't help us migrating from 8.2 -> 8.3.
[19:17] <kiko> stub, how much time is the upgrade going to take if we do it cold turkey?
[19:17] <stub> PG 8.2 needs stored procedures built and installed for it, and so does PG 8.3 to do the migration between versions
[19:17] <stub> 3 or 4 hours
[19:17] <stub> But we will have the same issue next major release too probably, and by then we will have high availability systems.
[19:18] <kiko> stub, sure, but we /will/ have slony for 8.3 right?
[19:19] <stub> I suppose.
[19:19] <kiko> stub, I will talk to pitti and doko and see if either of them can help. if not, we should just take the downtime.
[19:19] <kiko> it's no use waiting for too long on this.
[19:19] <stub> I'm thinking for the 8.3->8.4 migration. We need slony for two versions of PG installed to do the migration.
[19:19] <kiko> sure
[19:19] <kiko> once you have 8.3 running, you can install slony for it
[19:20] <stub> Yes - it isn't blocking the migration. Just blocking being able to do it without much downtime.
[19:20] <kiko> stub, if we do decide to upgrade postgresql without slony, why don't we do it at the same time mthaddon and herb schedule the upgrade of our systems to hardy?
[19:20] <stub> We already have PG 8.3 with slony installed.
[19:20] <kiko> cool
[19:20] <mthaddon> kiko, that's a lot of moving parts, but a possibility...
[19:20] <kiko> mthaddon, herb: any news on the hardy updates, btw? that just rang a bell!
[19:20] <stub> That timing would be fine. The main DB server is already running hardy.
[19:20] <mthaddon> kiko, we're working through the low impact ones, and once we're ready to move ahead with the others will get a schedule together
[19:21] <kiko> mthaddon, well, yes, but moving parts that are pretty distinct -- i.e. no LP code will change, just the DB and the frontends
[19:21] <mthaddon> true
[19:21] <stub> Just more to debug if it all falls in a heap ;)
[19:21] <kiko> that is true
[19:21] <stub> But that would never happen
[19:21] <Rinchen> anything else for stub?
[19:21] <kiko> mthaddon, so, any ETA at all for that downtime?
[19:21] <kiko> stub, yes!
[19:21] <kiko> person-auth-split, for 1.2.6, yes/no?
[19:22] <mthaddon> kiko, not yet - I'll try and get you something by the end of the week (a time scheduled, I mean)
[19:22] <stub> gone through review and ready to land. yes.
[19:22] <kiko> stub, I'm asking you because I think you're not aware of our likely post-1.2.6-rollout process
[19:22] <kiko> neither is anyone else outside of people on yesterday's call of course
[19:22] <stub> Its only the first section though - the whole thing has huge scope. But the data model will all be in place.
[19:22] <kiko> but we're unlikely to do any DB patches for 1.2.7
[19:22] <kiko> that's cool and what I was hoping for
[19:22] <kiko> thanks stub
[19:23] <Rinchen> anything else for stub?
[19:23] <kiko> mthaddon, thanks. it needs to be within the next 3 weekends I guess
[19:23] <Rinchen> popular guy today
[19:23] <kiko> mthaddon, or then only in august
[19:23] <mthaddon> kiko, yep
[19:23] <kiko> nah
[19:23] <kiko> toda
[19:23] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:23] <Rinchen> Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent?
[19:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:24] <kiko> Rinchen, I reminded RT of one to remove some old bazaar repos still public
[19:24] <kiko> it's an old one poolie asked for
[19:24] <kiko> thumper, will we need any RTs for upgrading bzr?
[19:25] <thumper> kiko: I think it is just a normal rollout for LP, or are you referring to other machines?
[19:25] <Rinchen> I saw the thread. If you get no reply to it soon I'll go make myself more visible to IS
[19:25] <cprov> both soyuz-related requests are in-progress (restricted-librarian and gina), thank you.
[19:25] <Rinchen> we have 1 RT for the bzr-beta already
[19:25] <kiko> thumper, both
[19:26] <thumper> kiko: as Rinchen says, there is one for bzr-beta already, and I don't think we'll need one for LP
[19:26] <kiko> okay, thanks.
[19:26] <Rinchen> nifty.  Anything else for this topic?
[19:26] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] New packages required (salgado)
[19:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  New packages required (salgado)
[19:26] <salgado> anything to add this week?
[19:27] <kiko> salgado, maybe something to remove. do we currently depend on bzrtools?
[19:27] <salgado> isn't shelf in bzrtools?
[19:27] <Rinchen> kiko, thumper submitted an rt to remove that
[19:27] <Rinchen> iirc
[19:27] <thumper> I don't think we do depend on it
[19:27] <thumper> but many have it installed
[19:27] <salgado> there's no launchpad-d* packages which depend on it, btw
[19:27] <Rinchen> (remove from source that is)
[19:28] <mpt> I have launchpad-developer-dependencies but not bzrtools
[19:28] <kiko> salgado, yes, it can be part of -developer-dependencies, but not of -dependencies, because it has a bug in the shelf test suite
[19:28] <stub> PG8.3 has been done now, which is good.
[19:28] <kiko> okay, cool
[19:28] <kiko> thumper, is there a bug filed for the bzrtools bug, btw? would be nice to get that fixed for intrepid..
[19:28] <thumper> kiko: abentley is aware, but not sure if there is a bug filed
[19:29] <Rinchen> anything else for salgado?
[19:29] <abentley> kiko: A fix has already been committed to trunk.
[19:30] <statik> abentley, like the rest of the bzr team, fixes things almost before we notice them!
[19:30] <kiko> heh
[19:30] <kiko> Rinchen, no, thanks
[19:30] <Rinchen> ok, I think it's time for us to kick off the Matt Revell show....staring... mrevell
[19:30] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[19:30] <mrevell> heh :)
[19:30] <mrevell> On Sunday, there was an issue with Bazaar branch hosting for branches using the knit format.
[19:30] <mrevell> This led to a discussion about the best way to communicate service-affecting issues to people who use and rely on Launchpad.
[19:30] <mrevell> The outcome is that we have set up a launchpad-announce list. This will be very low volume - service-affecting issues and release announcements only. All mail to the list is held for moderation and only appropriate messages will get through.
[19:31] <mrevell> I shall be announcing the, err, announcements list shortly.
[19:31] <jtv> launchpad-meta-announce?
[19:31] <mrevell> If you have something that must be announced to our users please ping me or, in my absence, RInchen
[19:31] <kiko> mrevell, we should make it so /everybody technical/ at canonical subscribes
[19:31] <kiko> mrevell, I'll talk to mdz about this
[19:31] <mrevell> kiko: Okay, thanks.
[19:32] <Rinchen> a bit taboo but we could subscribe the distro-team list :-)
[19:32] <mrevell> Rinchen: You'd wanna get some flame-retardent gear on first :)
[19:32] <kiko> eww
[19:32] <mrevell> Rinchen: Unless anybody has a comment on that, or the Bazaar hosting outage itself, that's that for me.
[19:32] <Rinchen> thanks mrevell
[19:32] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Doc Team report (mrevell)
[19:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Doc Team report (mrevell)
[19:32] <mrevell> And the limelight calls again
[19:32] <mrevell> I'm pleased to say that community contributions to the doc team and growing slowly in number. We have a couple of community members who are now actively filing bugs for things they find in the help wiki and who are diving right in and making changes themselves.
[19:33] <mrevell> s/and growing/are growing
[19:33] <mrevell> Other docs news: tour is progressing and I have another meeting with Mark and the designers next week. I have mailed team leads to ask for confirmation of the items I've selected for 1.2.6 what's new and release announcement. Thanks to those who've already responded.
[19:33] <mrevell> Thanks Rinchen
[19:33] <kiko> awesome
[19:33] <kiko> woo!
[19:33] <Rinchen> good stuff, thanks mrevell
[19:33] <mpt> When is the tour due to land?
[19:34] <mrevell> mpt: it might be easier to answer that after my meeting with SEM and Mark on Wednesday
[19:34] <mpt> ok
[19:34] <Rinchen> we have a recent addition to the agenda....
[19:34] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Storm Integration
[19:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Storm Integration
[19:34] <Rinchen> kiko!
[19:34] <kiko> heh
[19:35] <kiko> first, I want to thank BjornT for knocking off 100 minutes from PQM test run times
[19:35] <mpt> (otherwise known as "the gathering storm")
[19:35] <kiko> (nothing to do with storm of course)
[19:35]  * Rinchen cheers.
[19:35] <kiko> err
[19:35] <kiko> extra zero there, and then some
[19:35] <thumper> 100?
[19:35] <kiko> but YKWIM
[19:35] <kiko> a lot
[19:35] <kiko> https://devpad.canonical.com/~mthaddon/pqm-durations.png
[19:35] <kiko> etc
[19:35] <jtv> Hurray for BjornT!
[19:35] <Rinchen> Yeah, it now takes PQM -20 minutes to run.
[19:36] <mthaddon> nice drop off :)
[19:36] <kiko> thumper, funny you speak up, because I wanted to ask you if you are getting rid of buildbot anytime soon -- it currently is tested against launchpad because it adds lib/ to its path
[19:36] <thumper> kiko: yes we are
[19:36] <kiko> thumper, alternatively, do you know if we can avoid running buildbot tests when LP lands?
[19:36] <flacoste> BjornT: what happened, you turned off all bugs tests?
[19:37] <flacoste> oh
[19:37] <flacoste> the sourcecode dependancy...
[19:37] <flacoste> that took 20mins, amazing...
[19:37] <Rinchen> 10 mins...
[19:37] <Rinchen> my joke missed the audience
[19:38] <thumper> Rinchen: I got it
[19:38] <kiko> thumper, well, ok. when you remove that we'll knock a few minutes off, so that's great to hear.
[19:38] <kiko> flacoste didn't :)
[19:38] <kiko> okay
[19:38] <kiko> now for the real storm topic
[19:38] <kiko> thumper, flacoste, jtv, statik: did you guys ack that list I sent out?
[19:38] <flacoste> kiko: seems sane to me
[19:38] <jtv> kiko: didn't ack it yet, will do when I wake up
[19:38] <thumper> already knocked quite a few off
[19:38] <kiko> I haven't seen any email back on that topic so I want to make sure something  is happening
[19:38] <kiko> thumper, you are the man
[19:38] <stub> There where some pillarname ones I would have thought I would have, but if statik wants them he is welcome to them :)
[19:39] <statik> kiko: yep, edwin started looking at it already. funny, i get a lot more tests failing locally than in the report, but we're diggin ito it
[19:39] <thumper> there is a test dependancy issue thought
[19:39] <kiko> jtv, please have a call with jamesh when you get up to sort yours out, I'm unhappy you didn't start on that today
[19:39] <statik> stub: we might send you mail later :)
[19:39] <thumper> many run fine by themselves
[19:39] <kiko> statik, very cool, thanks so much
[19:39] <thumper> but fail when run with everything
[19:39] <thumper> something is stomping on the db configs
[19:39] <kiko> thumper, yeah, need to isolate which one is fscking us over!
[19:39]  * thumper looks at sinzui for some strange reason
[19:39] <flacoste> hey, sinzui isn't responsible for all the config problems
[19:39] <flacoste> just the API
[19:39] <sinzui> thumper: et al. mutating the config is bad for testing
[19:40] <kiko> thumper, the problem is tests that write to the configs don't reset them
[19:40] <thumper> yeah, I know
[19:40] <stub> We have an API for config problems?
[19:40] <kiko> heh
[19:40] <flacoste> we have APIs for everything
[19:40] <kiko> okay
[19:40] <kiko> jtv, ack?
[19:40] <sinzui> I think we need to switch to the push() and pop() form of the config and raise an error when someone tries to create a new attribute on the conifg.
[19:40] <jtv> kiko: sure
[19:40] <stub> pickle the config in the layer testSetUp, pickle it in the layer testTearDown and compare.
[19:40] <kiko> thanks vm
[19:41] <flacoste> sinzui: i think that's a little drastic change for our schedule
[19:41] <flacoste> i say only plug the hole, not redo the whole plumbing
[19:41]  * sinzui checks the weekend schedule.
[19:41] <flacoste> lol
[19:41] <kiko> what flacoste says, sinzui -- don't get carried away!! :)
[19:41] <kiko> okay, that was all
[19:41] <kiko> Rinchen, take over before it's too late!
[19:41] <Rinchen> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Developer Meeting.
[19:42] <flacoste> sinzui: did they open that crystal meth lab in you 'hood lately?
[19:42] <Rinchen> #endmeeting
[19:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:43.
[19:42] <thumper> thanks Rinchen
[19:42] <kiko> the crystal
[19:42] <gmb> thanks Rinchen
[19:42] <abentley> tx Rinchen
[19:42] <Rinchen> hehe
[19:42] <sinzui> flacoste: It went up in smoke when the try knocked out the power lines on my street yeterday
[19:42] <flacoste> Rinchen: thank for another one on time
[19:42] <Rinchen> now i Just need to find out where mootbot put the logs :-)
[19:42] <sinzui> I am relying on an infant to keep me awake
[19:43] <flacoste> sinzui, that's probably a little healthier
[21:32] <mwhudson_> statik: oh good :)


 I have my hacking tools up and ready to go..
[04:09] <EpicDuck> WE are anonymous. WE are legion.
[04:09] <IdleOne> staff will be glad to hear that you plan on breaking network rules also
[04:09] <EpicDuck> we do not forget. We do not forgive. Ubuntu webchat expect us
[04:10] <holstein> great...
[05:36] <Tm_T> holstein: hi and welcome
[05:49] <jussi> Tm_T: you here?
[05:50] <Tm_T> jussi: kyl?
[13:14] <Pici> LjL: is the source for http://ubottu.com/ljl/apt/ available?
[13:15] <LjL> Pici: yes, there is a Download button at the bottom of the page :P
[13:15] <Pici> LjL: oh, misunderstood what that did. /clicks
[13:15] <LjL> Pici: are you going to fix the thing whereby the recent releases don't work? *hint hint*
[13:15] <Pici> LjL: Thinking of porting it to python/flask
[13:16] <Pici> plus maybe making it easier/automagically configurable
[13:17] <LjL> Pici: it would be nice not to have to manually download the packages file each time there's a release
[15:47] <tonyyarusso> "porting it to python/flask" sounds like "start porting it to python, then give up and resort to drinking".
[16:09] <Pici> tonyyarusso: yeah, I started looking at python-apt and got angry
[18:31] <Myrtti> that's not helpful
[18:31] <Myrtti> Epicduckreturns: did you need help with something?
[18:39] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: Over here. :-)
[18:40] <Corey> There we go.
[18:40] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: Now, can we help you with something?
[18:42] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: I've removed the quiet in here.
[18:42] <Corey> 11:42:43 -!- Irssi: There does not appear to be anything preventing Epicduckreturns from joining/talking in #ubuntu-ops
[18:42] <Epicduckreturns> Corey on ubuntu i have tried to say something and it says on the ubuntu channel i see others talking like guests but [14:41] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[18:42] <Corey> There we go.
[18:42] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: Right, you've been quieted in there.
[18:43] <Epicduckreturns> why? :|
[18:43] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: A quick lastlog shows you threatening ddos, so it's not hard to see why that was set.
[18:44] <Epicduckreturns> Corey well I'm taking offensive to the quieted...
[18:44] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: Let's see... you were using improper language, asked to knock it off, went off on a tangent about "freedom of speech" which doesn't apply here, then threatened ddos.
[18:44] <Corey> I guess I'm failing to see what value you bring to the channel at this point?
[18:45] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: I mean, if I have any of this wrong, please say so.
[18:45] <Epicduckreturns> Corey.. You know what i will just unban/unquiet myself.. :| Vpn up and ready to go..
[18:45] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: Yes, but if you continue to behave in such a manner, you'll just wind up quieted again.
[18:46] <Corey> Seems to me it'd make more sense to just behave in a matter compatible with the channel guidelines, no?
[18:46] <Epicduckreturns> Corey there are ways to force myself to be unbannable or unquitable.. ;)
[18:46] <Epicduckreturns> just a few irc glitch tools
[18:46] <Corey> Epicduckreturns: *sigh*  I'm not interested in turning this into an arms race.
[18:47] <Epicduckreturns> Corey do y'all hate me because i am a southern dixie man?
[18:47] <Corey> Over 1800 people are in #ubuntu and using the channel constructively; why can't you?
[18:48] <Epicduckreturns> shush up with your hate crimes.. :|
[18:48] <Corey> *sigh*  This has ceased to be constructive; the quiet will remain in place.
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> and i will hack the channel get channel-op and find a way to delete the channel
[18:49] <Corey> *sigh*  Goodbye.
[18:49] <Corey> That could have gone better.
[18:49] <ikonia> that was comical
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> .
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> .
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> d
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> d
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> a
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> f
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> adf
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> asd
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> gsf
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> dfsf
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> asdf
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> ads
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> f
[18:49] <Epicduckreturns> asd
[18:50] <Corey> Really?
[18:50] <Corey> I don't expect that'll need to stick if he tries that in #freenode.
[18:50] <ikonia> Corey: that could not have gone better
[18:50] <DJones> Corey: That was plain and simple threats of ban evasion etc
[18:51] <Corey> Right.  My point is that could have gone a lot better.
[18:51] <ikonia> Corey: genuinly I don't see how,
[18:51] <Corey> He could have not been an ass?
[18:51] <ikonia> ahhhh
[18:51] <Corey> I'm not saying I screwed up any. :-)
[18:51] <ikonia> sorry, I thought you meant "could have worked better to get him to play nice"
[18:52] <ikonia> good good
[19:04] <Corey> He's gone now, may as well pull those ops bans.
[19:04] <ikonia> nah, they can stay
[19:04] <ikonia> he doesn't change IP
[19:04] <ikonia> so he'll be back for another rant
[19:05] <Corey> This, ikonia.  This is how the ban list fills up. :-)
[19:06] <Unit193> Just have ubottu remove in a month or two.
[19:06] <ikonia> Corey: I'm not talking about leaving it there until the end of time
[19:06] <ikonia> just a week or so until he stops trying
[19:06] <Corey> No, that's just what ends up happening. :-)
[19:06] <DJones> or freenode kline the ip if it doesn't change
[19:07] <Corey> DJones: Yeah, that's the next logical step here.
[19:07]  * DJones points to the staff cloak
[19:07] <Corey> That was a bit redundant.


[12:02] <gary_poster> stepping away; back soon
[12:06] <bac> morning
[12:09] <gary_poster> morning :-)
[12:09] <gary_poster> (and I'm back)
[12:21] <bac> gary_poster: i just bombarded you with canonicaladmin stuff
[12:21] <gary_poster> eek!
[12:21]  * gary_poster goes to llok
[12:21] <gary_poster> s/llok/look/
[12:23] <gary_poster> benji, btw, I approved yours last week sometime
[12:23] <benji> thanks
[12:25] <gary_poster> gmb, I approved 02/09/2011.  For Dec 28-30, am I right in assuming that UK gives you the rest of the needed days off for the company holiday?
[12:27] <gary_poster> Right, boxing day
[12:28] <gary_poster> gmb, ok accepted that one too.
[12:31] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb, call now-ish
[12:31] <danilos> gmb, do you have a kick-boxing day as well?
[12:31] <gmb> danilos: No, that's only for UK-resident Tasmanians. e.g. Jono./
[12:31] <gary_poster> heh
[12:31] <danilos> gmb, heh, a shame, a shame
[12:49] <bac> send-bug-notifications is still running.  this qa may take a long time...
[12:55] <danilos> bac, perhaps you can actually ask for them to be cleared on the qastaging DB with SQL first?
[12:56] <bac> danilos: that's a good idea
[12:57] <gary_poster> bac, benji, danilos, gmb, we have some house-cleaning tasks we need to share with the orange squad.  I'll try to arrange something with deryck, which ones we should do, but if you want to claim one, please feel free to take advantage of the fact that we are initiating this :-) .  Here's what I see.
[12:57] <gary_poster> - staging has not been updated since last Monday.  I sent an email last week with the end of the traceback.  We need to run this to ground and either establish that it is OK, or fix it.
[12:58] <gary_poster> - /var/lock/launchpad_mirror_prober.lock is not locking, according to our launchpad error reports.  Presumably this is the same problem, reported separate;y: "The script 'distributionmirror-prober' didn't run on 'loganberry' between 2011-08-22 06:07:05 and 2011-08-22 12:07:05 (last seen 2011-08-19 20:03:21.034263)"
[12:58] <gary_poster>  I'll take one when I talk to deryck if no one else has.
[13:00] <gary_poster> Another one:
[13:01] <gary_poster> - "test `bzr revno /srv/bazaar.staging.launchpad.net/staging/launchpad` -ne `bzr revno /srv/code/db-stable/launchpad` && make -C /srv/bazaar.staging.launchpad.net/staging" ends with
[13:01] <gary_poster> Output:
[13:01] <gary_poster> rsync: change_dir "/00/00/3b/53" (in mirrors) failed: No such file or directory (2)
[13:01] <gary_poster> rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1526) [Receiver=3.0.7]
[13:01] <gary_poster> make: *** [rebuild] Error 1
[13:02] <gary_poster> - The script 'oops-prune' didn't run on 'galapagos' between 2011-08-21 00:05:07 and 2011-08-22 00:05:07 (last seen 2011-08-20 12:18:02.879853)
[13:04] <gary_poster> I think that is all of them, bac benji danilos gmb.  So, four issues.  I think it is reasonable to start out with 2 for us and two for orange, and rejigger later if we discover that some of them are way easier than others.
[13:04] <gmb> ok
[13:04] <gary_poster> As I said, I'll take one, but I'd like one of you all to claim one too.
[13:04] <gary_poster> and wouldn't mind if both of ours were not claimed by me :-)
[13:05] <gary_poster> if you don't have an active bug, this would be a great thing to try.
[13:06] <gary_poster> Maybe this is staging issue?
[13:06] <gary_poster> Sun Aug 21 17:52:49 UTC 2011 Bouncing replication daemons
[13:06] <gary_poster> Running full-update.py
[13:06] <gary_poster> 2011-08-21 17:53:06 INFO    Logging INFO and higher messages to /srv/staging.launchpad.net/staging-logs/dbupgrade.log
[13:06] <gary_poster> sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
[13:06] <gary_poster> 2011-08-21 17:53:06 ERROR   pgbouncer 'status' failed [1]
[13:07] <gary_poster> not sure
[13:07] <gary_poster> some of these may be herding cats.  stub-like ones, perhaps.
[13:17] <danilos> gary_poster, I think I have plenty of things in progress atm so I'd rather not take on a new one
[13:17] <gary_poster> np danilos
[13:18] <gary_poster> ok danilos. :-( take it easy, take a sick day if you need
[13:51] <bac> gary_poster: it looks like the duplicate bug nofitication stuff is working: https://pastebin.canonical.com/51512/
[13:51] <bac> marking qa-ok.
[13:54] <gary_poster> bac, yay!
[16:25] <danilo_> hum, can anyone please try pushing a branch to staging code hosting (i.e. something like "bzr init /tmp/boo && bzr push -d /tmp/boo lp://staging/~<user>/+junk/boo")?
[16:26] <danilo_> or, even better: "bzr init /tmp/boo && bzr push -d /tmp/boo lp://staging/~launchpad/+junk/boo" (so you can directly copy-paste)
[16:29]  * bac -> lunch
[17:09] <gary_poster> danilo_, do you still need that?
[17:09] <danilo_> gary_poster, please
[17:09] <gary_poster> ack, on it danilo_
[17:10] <danilo_> gary_poster, thanks
[17:11] <gary_poster> danilo_, error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/672556/
[17:11] <danilo_> gary_poster, right, I get the same thing, the RT I filed is still unresolved, thanks
[17:11] <gary_poster> ok danilo_, cool, welcome
[17:15]  * gmb leaves for the evening
[17:16] <gary_poster> bye
[17:18]  * gary_poster lunches
[19:21] <gary_poster> Uh...
[19:21] <gary_poster> CHR!
[19:22] <gary_poster> he said triumphantly.
[20:13] <gary_poster> bac, /me stops CHR.
[20:14] <gary_poster> I mean, feel free to start yours :-)
[20:19]  * gary_poster heading out about 10 min early.  Will do a bit more later. :-)
[20:34] <bac> gary_poster: ok, i chr's now
[21:01] <bac> yay, me -- i just approved the OMG! Ubuntu Android App project
[21:39] <bac> wow, that took longer than i expected </chr>


[00:03] <junebug> I tried doing: sudo ip link set wlo1 up but the result is: RTNETLINK answers: Input/output error
[00:12] <matsaman> mmm
[00:12] <matsaman> junebug: what's the wireless device?
[00:13] <junebug> matsaman, how do I find that?
[00:13] <Maik> maybe try booting from a previous kernel and see if the wifi works there?
[00:14] <junebug> Maik, can you walk me through that?
[00:15] <matsaman> junebug: mmmm, lspci -k | grep -i wirel -A 4
[00:16] <junebug> matsaman, nothing comes back
[00:18] <matsaman> junebug: hrmmm, and with lspci -Mk?
[00:18] <junebug> matsaman, a bunch of "Cant open /sys/bus/pci/...
[00:19] <matsaman> might have to sudo it
[00:19] <matsaman> junebug: this a laptop?
[00:19] <junebug> matsaman, yes
[00:19] <junebug> hp
[00:19] <matsaman> you haven't like, toggled the hardware wifi disable button/switch?
[00:20] <junebug> Intel driver
[00:20] <junebug> I tried disabling and enabling that but no luck
[00:20] <matsaman> junebug: so, going back to Maik's suggestion
[00:20] <junebug> matsaman, yes. How do I revert?
[00:21] <matsaman> junebug: if you look in /boot/ you'll probably see your old kernel in there
[00:21] <junebug> matsaman, I see a bunch of files there
[00:22] <junebug> https://gist.github.com/lodenrogue/3525a917779276eb77d86dc34373b72d
[00:22] <Maik> junebug: you don't need to revert but just boot from a older kernel if installed
[00:22] <Maik> junebug: Holding down the shift key while booting, will display the Grub menu. You can now select an older kernel version.
[00:22] <junebug> Ah ok
[00:23] <junebug> brb let me try that
[00:23] <matsaman> if it works with old kernel, then it's simply a kernel issue you can probably fix fairly straightforwardly
[00:23] <matsaman> or put off, etc.
[00:23] <junebug> ok
[00:23] <Maik> good luck because i'm off to bed
[00:23] <matsaman> lawk
[00:27] <CoolerX> Hi
[00:28] <CoolerX> I am getting an error with a missing shared object file
[00:28] <CoolerX> ruby/2.7.0/gems/ffi-1.15.5/lib/ffi_c.so
[00:29] <tomreyn> hi CoolerX. which ubuntu release are you on? Which command are you running and what's its output?
[00:32] <lotharn> anyone wanna help me with a simple awk problem? how do i get awk to recognize a field seperator that is , but one of the fields has a "" string with , in it?
[00:33] <junebug> I tried left shift but nothing came up. I used ESC and I could see the startup menu with BIOS as an option. Nothing about grub though
[00:33] <junebug> I went through the startup menus and didn't see anything about another kernel
[00:33] <leftyfb> lotharn: try #bash
[00:34] <junebug> Maik, matsaman ^
[00:35] <tomreyn> junebug: do you know whether you're booting in uefi or (legacy) bios mode?
[00:35] <junebug> tomreyn, no idea
[00:35] <junebug> I saw something about EFI in the menu
[00:36] <tomreyn> junebug: so it should be set to uefi booting, then pressing escape is correct, but you seem to have done so a tid bit too early, bringing up the uefi's boot menu, not having loaded grub, yet
[00:37] <junebug> So I should wait for the Ubuntu logo to show up
[00:37] <junebug> Ok let me try that
[00:37] <tomreyn> it should be right before that
[00:37] <matsaman> if that doesn't work out, you can actually tell GRUB to not hide itself, too
[00:38] <junebug> matsaman, how can I do that?
[00:40] <jambs> hi guis
[00:41] <matsaman> junebug: https://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[00:41] <matsaman> junebug: see the bit about /etc/default/grub, & update-grub
[00:41] <junebug> Coo. I'll try that brb
[00:47] <juno__> Ok now it's working. I had to revert 2 versions back
[00:47] <matsaman> juno__: coool
[00:48] <juno__> matsaman, I saw only 3 versions in that menu. How do I keep this version around in case this happens again?
[00:48] <matsaman> juno__: I doubt it will go anywhere, but you can back it up by copying it from /boot/ to elsewhere if you want
[00:48] <juno__> Ok
[00:48] <matsaman> should be relatively small files
[00:49] <matsaman> what I would probably do next, if I were you, if I had the time right now is
[00:49] <matsaman> try a newer kernel version than the one you ended up on that didn't work
[00:49] <matsaman> sometimes regressions just get fixed
[00:49] <juno__> Would I need to download and install the kernel?
[00:49] <matsaman> if that doesn't work, you might have to compare the kernels and see what changed
[00:50] <matsaman> in some manner, yes
[00:50] <matsaman> unless there is an Ubuntu-specific archive for a more recent version of Ubuntu you could use
[00:50] <matsaman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[00:50] <juno__> I'll look into that thank you
[00:50] <matsaman> it's not usually a big deal, building a kernel
[00:51] <juno__> Thank you as well tomreyn and Maik
[00:51] <matsaman> it does take a certain amount of time usually on the order of 5-20 minutes to compile, depending on how many things you enable
[00:51] <matsaman> juno__: does 'zcat /proc/config.gz | head' produce output?
[00:52] <matsaman> juno__: if so you can use 'zcat /proc/config.gz | tee some/file.txt' to backup the current kernel's config
[00:52] <matsaman> the configs are probably also still in /boot/
[00:52] <matsaman> so you can diff them pretty easily most likely
[00:52] <juno__> gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory
[00:53] <juno__> I just copied every file that had the kernel version from the /boot directory to my home folder
[00:53] <juno__> It's like 4 files
[00:53] <juno__> config, System.map, initrd, and vmlinuz
[00:54] <juno__> I'm assuming that's all I need?
[00:54] <Lacti> Hello
[00:55] <tomreyn> juno__: do you know which chipset this wireless is?
[00:55] <juno__> tomreyn, Intel
[00:55] <tomreyn> that's a company
[00:55] <juno__> tomreyn, sorry. How do I look that up?
[00:56] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:56] <tomreyn> usually this would work if you have internet access
[00:56] <tomreyn> if you dont, remove the last pipe | character and anything following it
[00:57] <tomreyn> is this an internal wireless or one connected via usb?
[00:58] <juno__> Internal
[00:59] <tomreyn> and does this return a http address?
[00:59] <matsaman> juno__: just the files in /boot/ yeah
[00:59] <juno__> https://termbin.com/xm1f
[00:59] <juno__> matsaman, thanks
[01:00] <tomreyn> juno__: and which ubuntu version are you on there? nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline})
[01:02] <juno__> Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS
[01:02] <matsaman> juno__: dmesg | grep -i intel
[01:02] <tomreyn> juno__: the above command would also have returned your current kernel version
[01:03] <tomreyn> which is?
[01:03] <juno__> https://termbin.com/euao
[01:03] <juno__> This is the kernal that works
[01:03] <juno__> kernel*
[01:04] <tomreyn> and the one which doesn't work is also a 5.11?
[01:05] <juno__> 5.13.0-27-generic
[01:05] <matsaman> juno__: dmesg | grep -i intel
[01:06] <juno__> matsaman, which line? Lots of output
[01:06] <matsaman> juno__: dmesg | grep -i intel | grep -i 'rev='
[01:06] <juno__> [    3.120351] iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: Detected Intel(R) Wireless-AC 9461, REV=0x354
[01:08] <tomreyn> juno__: can you check whether you have pending updates?
[01:08] <juno__> tomreyn, nothing in apt update and apt upgrade
[01:09] <tomreyn> what about    sudo apt full-upgrade
[01:09] <juno__> Nothing as well
[01:10] <tomreyn> you could share the output of matsaman's command
[01:10] <juno__> tomreyn, [    3.120351] iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: Detected Intel(R) Wireless-AC 9461, REV=0x354
[01:10] <matsaman> juno__: maybe this business: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205695
[01:11] <matsaman> various workarounds & patches mentioned
[01:12] <juno__> I'm glad it got resolved. Thanks again guys
[01:16] <tomreyn> AX2xx seems to have a firmware issue with this linux version upgrade, but i can't find anything recent on AC 9461 there
[01:28] <DOSfan> question : I changed my swap partition location and now on boot it's taking allot longer ..  "a start job is running for udev-" and it says 1.5 minutes to complete .. why is it doing this?
[01:29] <sarnold> DOSfan: did you fix up your /etc/fstab to match the new swap configuration?
[01:30] <sarnold> DOSfan: did you run mkswap on the devices or files after doing whatever you did?
[01:30] <DOSfan> sarnold: hmmm no ... is it a file I edit?
[01:30] <DOSfan> I used gparted ... everthing went ok, I made the boot partition smaller as well
[01:33] <DOSfan> sarnold: okI have the fstab file open .. I do see on the boot part this ... errors=remount-ro ... is that the problem?
[01:33] <sarnold> no, that's usual
[01:34] <sarnold> what did you do to your swap?
[01:35] <DOSfan> sarnold: I wanted the boot and swap partiton to be together (not a unused space gap), so I deleted the Extened part (which also had a seperate swap inside it)
[01:36] <DOSfan> sarnold: so now I just have a single swap partition on sda2 (originally the swap was under an extened partition under sda5).
[01:36] <Bashing-om> DOSfan: ' sudo blkid | grep swap ' and make sure the UUID matchs in the /etc/fstab file.
[01:37] <DOSfan> ya and under 'mount point' it says 'none'
[01:37] <DOSfan> Bashing-om: ok i'll try that
[01:38] <Bashing-om> DOSfan: Change a partition also changes the UUID.
[01:39] <DOSfan> Bashing-om: yes the UID has changed .. so just copy that ID into the fstab file?
[01:40] <Bashing-om> Disconsented: Yeah - then to verify/propagate run terminal command: sudo mount -a .
[01:41] <Disconsented> wat
[01:41] <Bashing-om> Disconsented: Sorry - not paying attention to my tab complete :(
[01:41] <Bashing-om> DOSfan: ^^ .
[01:46] <DOSfan> Bashing-om: thanks buddy ... yup that was the issue. I would have thought that fstab file would have been updated by gparted with the new UID but I guess not.
[01:47] <DOSfan> back in a bit
[02:20] <fabricio> hi guys
[02:20] <sarnold> hello
[02:20] <fabricio> someone from Brazil?
[02:23] <leftyfb> !br | fabricio
[02:52] <DOSfan> does anyone here use tint2 for a program launcher? ... got a simple question but the #tint2 channel is kinda quiet
[02:53] <leftyfb> DOSfan: you should upgrade your EOL release of Ubuntu
[02:54] <DOSfan> leftyfb: it's ok now .. i resized the boot and swap partitions ... I removed wine ;)
[02:55] <leftyfb> DOSfan: it's still an EOL release that isn't supported here
[03:23] <pycurious> how do i mount an ubuntu directory on my mac OS drive?
[03:26] <leftyfb> pycurious: what do you mean exactly? Do you have a MAC drive plugged into an Ubuntu machine or an Ubuntu(ext4) drive plugged into a Mac?
[03:27] <pycurious> leftyfb: trying to install fuse + sshfs now - brb
[03:28] <leftyfb> :/
[04:15] <connectmc> hi
[04:15] <connectmc> hihihihih
[05:29] <canurabus> Is there any way to upgrade an EOL version of Ubuntu (non LTS?). I have groovy and would like to avoid reinstalling everything. It doesn't seem to work with `do-release-upgrade`. How do offline upgrades work? I'm trying to find a way to go from groovy -> hirsute -> impish. If I boot with a hirsute ISO will I be able to upgrade my existing install?
[05:30] <Bashing-om> !eol | canurabus
[05:30] <Bashing-om> canurabus: ^ short answer - yes.
[05:31] <JackFrost> But don't skip versions in the meantime, the upgrade path can be painful.
[05:32] <canurabus> Will give it a shot, thanks.
[07:11] <gombara> hello. I have been trying to automate install of Ubuntu 21.10 desktop. All the information I could found online points to modifying grub.cfg to provide command line options to kernel. but for some reason I could not get it working. after the boot it lands in live session desktop instead of starting the install. any ideas?
[07:17] <alkisg> Hello! I have two NICs; one gets a proper IP and the other one doesn't, on purpose. My problem is that `NetworkManager-wait-online.service` is in failed state.
[07:17] <alkisg> Can I somehow tell network-manager that one connection to the Internet is enough, and that it doesn't need all connections to start before I'm "online"?
[07:18] <alkisg> This in turn is causing other issues, like systemctl status saying "degraded state", openssh-server delaying its start etc
[07:24] <alkisg> Hmm, it appears that removing `-s` from `ExecStart=/usr/bin/nm-online -s -q` from /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager-wait-online.service does the trick. I wonder if this has any bad side effects or if should actually be sent as a bug report
[07:29] <ravage> alkisg: maybe setting ipv4.may-fail for that interface helps?
[07:31] <alkisg> @ravage thanks; unfortunately that would mean that I'd have to create a connection for all interfaces in all my servers that are e.g. connected by mistake to a vlan and don't receive an IP from that interface
[07:31] <alkisg> I.e. I'd prefer some solution where I wouldn't have to list any interfaces
[07:31] <ravage> and what do you need the service for? i dont use it on any of my servers
[07:32] <alkisg> Some services depend on nm-online state; so e.g. openssh-server just starts later, and I think some may even not get started at all because of this
[07:32] <alkisg> Depending on if they declared 'After' or 'Requires'...
[07:33] <ravage> you could just change ExecStart to /bin/true then ;)
[07:34] <alkisg> That would make services start before an IP/DNS exist; so they might do the wrong thing
[07:35] <ravage> depends on the services of course yes
[07:35] <alkisg> Omitting the -s works fine, but I'm worried why it's not the default...
[07:35] <alkisg> In Jammy I see they added a new line: Environment=NM_ONLINE_TIMEOUT=60
[07:35] <alkisg> This doesn't help in my case, but it shows that someone else was bitten by a similar issue
[07:38] <alkisg> Specifically, my best workaround so far is: systemctl edit NetworkManager-wait-online
[07:38] <alkisg> And to put this in the override: "[Service]\nExecStart=\nExecStart=/usr/bin/nm-online\n"
[08:06] <ahc> I'm installing 20.04 onto a desktop. Can I format/partion my SSB hda with recommended defaults automatically?
[08:06] <ahc> SSD
[08:07] <ahc> partition  .. sorry
[08:10] <ahc> I can see my 120GB SSD there as hda, and a 1TB there as hdb. It has Disks running from 18.04 booted from a usb.
[08:10] <ahc> Maybe the Ubuntu installation page goes into this.
[08:14] <ahc> It seems there's a Debian installer, am looking for a Ubuntu 20.04 installer. I'll keep reading.
[08:18] <Kilos> ahc  when I install 18.04 and other releases I use the manual option in the installer program and make 35 gig as / root and the rest as /home
[08:21] <ahc> Thanks Kilos With 18.04 on my boot USB, I might just connect to the 'net and click install. Upgrade to 20.04 soon thereafter. I'll watch for / root space.
[08:21] <Kilos> and a swap file not a swap partition
[08:21] <Kilos> ahc  if you let it upgrade as it installs it takes long
[08:22] <ahc> Wow. First I've heard for the Swap file not partition. Hmm. OK. May re-do tomorrow, see how we go tonight.
[08:22] <Kilos> good luck
[08:23] <Kilos> a swap partition wears out the ssd much quicker than swapfile
[08:24] <ahc> Its a new 2nd-hand unit. So I must format / erase / partition the 2 drives I have. They've got all sorts on at present.
[08:24] <ahc> Just want an automatic install, default partition sizes, to start with.
[08:25] <Kilos> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-18-04
[08:25] <ahc> OK Thanks
[08:26] <Kilos> first install 18.04 on the ssd then connect the other drives
[08:27] <Kilos> I used to get mixed up with all the drives so do my installs directly to the ssd first
[08:27] <ahc> Got it. Thanks. Back laters.
[08:27] <Kilos> good luck
[08:33] <alkisg> "a swap partition wears out the ssd much quicker than swapfile" ==> why is that? They both use static disk sectors...
[08:41] <Kilos> alkisg  https://askubuntu.com/questions/652337/why-are-swap-partitions-discouraged-on-ssd-drives-are-they-harmful
[08:43] <aiky> hello. i have an issue with sound. it's working fine for a little while before i just hear i loud siren-like noise, which continues till i stop what i was listening to. any idea what the cause might be? it's an old atom processor laptop. i first experiences this in linux mint, and now in lubuntu
[08:44] <ogra> Kilos, and why would  swapfile be better ? alkisg's claim stands, they both d the same thing and sit at the same location for their lifetime ... it would only help if you re-created the swapfile at each boot ...
[08:45] <ogra> else they are effectively the same
[08:45] <Kilos> ogra  I just follow what the clever people say
[08:46] <Kilos> there is a difference I am sure. my ssd is now 3 years old and still working fine
[08:47] <Kilos> and it was a second hand windows drive that crashed to bad to repair
[08:47] <ogra> even with a swap partiton yur controller has wear levelling and will try o compensate ... it is true that swap shortens the lifetime ... but thats rather something like from 10y to 9y with modern SSDs... you will likely not hit the threshold before you switch to a new disk
[08:49] <ogra> the only actually safe way would be to create a new swapfile at each boot (and keep the old one around until the new one is actually physically created, that way other blocks would be used)
[08:49] <Kilos> actually when you install from 18.04 and later and let the installer do everything , as in not making your own partitions, it adds a swapfile automagically iirc
[08:49] <ogra> but that would slow down your boot
[08:50] <ogra> yeah but that is for different reasons (there was a long discussion on the ubuntu-devel mailing list before that switch)
[08:51] <ogra> (mainly fr more flexibility ... its ia a lot easier to resize a file on top of your rootfs than having to re-partition)
[08:51] <Kilos> what did they say, I am old and cant keep up with everything, tech is advancing faster than I can read lol
[08:51] <Kilos> even here when it gets busy I run away
[08:52] <ogra> heh
[08:52] <Kilos> the answer of course is to have many gigs of ram
[08:53] <Kilos> then no swaps are needed
[08:53] <ogra> well ... yu still want some swap ... the kernel actully takes differnt code paths in memory management without swap ... so your system might behave differently with and without it
[08:54] <Kilos> aha ty for that
[08:55] <ogra> (you wont hit actual issues if you have a lot of ram, these differences are actually only hitting when you operate at the edge ... but we learned the difference the hard way with the ubuntu phone back in the days)
[08:55] <Kilos> oh my
[08:56] <Kilos> I learned how important swap is and how it speeds up your system on and old dual core machine with 4g ram
[08:57] <Kilos> used to use free mem to monitor
[08:59] <ogra> if you are really struggling with memory, zram and zswap are very helpful BTW ... they create a swap file in ram and then use compression for it ... that way you get the advantage of swap but not the drawback of slowdowns a physical disk introduces
[08:59]  * ogra needs to go AFK now ...
[08:59] <Kilos> thank you
[10:22] <Intelo> Hi,
[10:23] <Intelo> Is there an app that "just" sends alerts (desktop / phone etc)? There are many chat apps or meeting apps like discord or zoom but what if only an alert app is needed. In which everyone sees a list of people in a room and can simply send them alert. That alert should popup on desktop or mobile.
[10:25] <lyr> Hi there. I'm searching how to disable Ubuntu 21.10 shortcut Ctrl-Alt-D, can't find where it's defined since there are no search in the UI and it doesn't seems to be in dconf, someone can give me an hint ?
[10:35] <lyr> I'm good, the keyboard shortcut search do work for the key combination but is case sensitive
[11:01] <konoha> hi
[11:02] <konoha> anyone
[11:02] <konoha> ??
[11:02] <konoha> i have a doubt?
[11:02] <konoha> anyone
[11:02] <konoha> ???
[11:02] <weq> don't have doubts. That is tedious.
[11:02] <EriC^^> !ask | konoha
[11:03] <konoha> iam a rookie
[11:04] <konoha> so where i have to start this?
[11:04] <konoha> i mean hacking
[11:04] <konoha> anyone?
[11:04] <weq> https://www.eccouncil.org/programs/certified-ethical-hacker-ceh/ take a class.
[11:05] <konoha> can i beleive this
[11:05] <weq> not when you have doubts.
[11:05] <konoha> ok
[11:06] <konoha> its not like anyone use ngrok so i should be careful
[11:07] <konoha> i will be leaving now
[12:59] <webchat90> I have a recently purchased alienware notebook that came with a usb ethernet adapter that is getting recognized as a wwan0 device on ubuntu focal 20.04.   I can see the usb network interface with ifconfig and I can configure by running dhclient, but network manager doesn't seem to recognize it as a valid device.   The device is " ID 413c:b097
[12:59] <webchat90> Dell Computer Corp. USB 10/100/1G/2.5G LAN".   The device name assigned to it is wwx0c3796......, wwx + the mac address.  I have tried the oem and hwe kernels.  linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04-edge/focal-updates,focal-security,now <IP_ADDRESS>.29~20.04.13 amd64 [installed] and linux-image-oem-20.04d/focal-updates,focal-security,now <IP_ADDRESS>0.17
[12:59] <webchat90> amd64 [installed] don't seem to recognize it as an ethernet device.     Mostly what I care about is getting NetworkManager to work with it.  When I run "nmcli device show" it is not in the list of devices.
[13:25] <iomari891> greetings, is there any way to completely remove all logical volumes in one go? None are for the OS
[13:54] <Guest59> hey how do I update nodejs
[13:54] <liveacoustic> Hello, if I want to install Ubuntu on a brand new laptop that came with Windows, do I have to complete the Windows installation first or can I just install Ubuntu now from the USB drive?
[13:54] <Guest59> and npm
[13:54] <Guest59> on ubuntu 21.10
[13:54] <Guest59> ?
[13:55] <Guest59> no idea liveacoustic , You might want to start windows once
[13:59] <liveacoustic> @guest59 did you install them via apt?
[14:00] <Guest59> sudo n stable
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:03] <Guest59> if anything dash to dock breakes nautilus on 21.10
[15:04] <Guest59> I upgraded because people weren't supporting 21.04
[15:05] <Liblx> Hello, how can I get the versio
[15:05] <Liblx> newest version of digikam? whats the easiest way, please?
[15:06] <leftyfb> !latest | Liblx
[15:06] <leftyfb> Liblx: that said, version 7.5.0 is available as a snap:   sudo snap install digikam
[15:06] <Liblx> leftyfb: thank you very much!
[15:08] <Liblx> leftyfb: how can i check the version before installing?
[15:08] <leftyfb> Liblx: well, I did tell you, but : snap search digikam
[15:09] <Liblx> thx
[15:09] <Liblx> i meant for other installations
[15:11] <leftyfb> other installations?
[15:11] <leftyfb> Liblx: if you mean for other releases of ubuntu, snaps are all the same regardless of the version of ubuntu
[15:31] <peacifer> hy
[15:38] <Alslinet> How do you automatically connect to the home drive specified in a users active directory user object when logging into ubuntu using kerberos authentication?
[15:39] <leftyfb> Alslinet: which commercial application are you using on ubuntu to authenticate to AD?
[15:53] <Minvera> i'm really hating Gnome where it's extremely unorganized and too hard for me to read the title bars for all the open browser windows or terminal windows i have
[15:54] <Minvera> anyone here use i3 with their ubuntu? does it mess with the DE a lot?
[15:54] <Minvera> what WM do you guys use if you switched away from Gnome?
[15:54] <Guest59> gnome was good on 21.04
[15:54] <Guest59> I did not want to upgrade
[15:55] <Minvera> you don't find it too hard to keep track of everything?
[15:55] <Minvera> i can't see the difference between all the open windows and the title bars are extremely tiny
[15:57] <woenx> Hi. The other day I noticed that youtube stuttered while playing 60fps videos, depite the statistics saying that there were very few dropped frames, which do not add app
[15:58] <woenx> today I checked with glxgears, and the stuttering is very visible, despite showing constant 60fps. Apparently it affects the whole desktop environment
[15:58] <woenx> I use a laptop with dual GPU (Intel graphics and Nvidia MX150). I tried switching the graphics card, and even using the newest nvidia graphics, but the stuttering remains in all ocassions
[15:58] <zaggynl> I've been happy with KDE for a while now
[15:58] <zaggynl> but have switched to opensuse for desktop a while ago
[15:58] <woenx> Any ideas what could be causing it?
[16:08] <Alexthek1d> Hi
[16:09] <Alexthek1d>  Is a command with "nohup" not saved in the bash history? I can't find my last command
[16:10] <woenx> Found it, it was the System Monitor extension for gnome. If I close it, the desktop is smooth again
[16:47] <iomari891> greetings, anyone know any good console contact managers?
[16:49] <leftyfb> iomari891: vim
[16:49] <genii> heh
[16:51] <leftyfb> iomari891: apt-cache search address|grep book
[16:56] <genii> !info rolo
[16:57] <jhutchins> Woet: That sounds worthy of a bug report.
[16:58] <nomercy> i've been trying to set up a flarum for 3 hours. i'm going crazy.
[17:00] <leftyfb> nomercy: https://discuss.flarum.org/t/support <~~~  this is where you go for support with flarum
[17:01] <jhutchins> nomercy: I see several posts on installing it,not much on setting it up.
[17:02] <jhutchins> Do we have a bot like judd that will list current package versions?
[17:03] <leftyfb> jhutchins: genii just did that above for the "rolo" package
[17:03] <Guest59> hey gnome on 21.10 does not have transparent menu without effects
[17:03] <Guest59> dash to panel extension breakes some applications like nautilus
[17:04] <Guest59> and without that, I can't find how to not group apps
[17:06] <jhutchins> Ah, use the info function, thanks.
[17:07] <jhutchins> !info flarum
[17:07] <leftyfb> jhutchins: it's not a package in ubuntu
[17:07] <leftyfb> apt or snap, in any version
[17:07] <jhutchins> leftyfb: Yes, I see that.
[17:07] <badupgradedev> hello
[17:09] <KBar> !ask | badupgradedev
[17:26] <DOSfan> question : web tells me that try here for Krusader help ... I cannot get it to launch in root-mode, I have read a bit on google and reinstalled krusader but same issue.  Do I berhaps ned to install kdesu or some additional packages like libkf5su-bin?
[17:27] <leftyfb> DOSfan: upgrade your Ubuntu to one that is not End Of Life. Please stop asking for help with it
[17:28] <DOSfan> leftyfb: wrong this time .. newer OS .. same issue
[17:28] <leftyfb> DOSfan: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:29] <DOSfan> leftyfb: allot of people have had this issue, regardless of the os version, check the web and look how many have had this issue.  This did work once so it's fixable
[17:29] <leftyfb> DOSfan: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:29] <Maik> DOSfan: just do as asked by leftyfb
[17:33] <leftyfb> DOSfan: it should be instant for you to run that and post the URL here
[17:33] <Maik> looks like they don't want to
[17:36] <leftyfb> wonder why that is
[17:37] <Maik> dunno, maybe they still run a EOL version?
[17:37] <Maik> it's a waste of time this way imho
[17:39] <jhutchins> So the current relase of krusader is completely different from older releases, and common problems don't exist and aren't solvable...
[17:40] <Maik> why even continue if they aren't willing to cooperate
[17:40] <jhutchins> I wonder if the changelogs show what has beenfixed, and if those patches could be backported.
[17:42] <jhutchins> DOSfan: I suppose you could do a temporary dual-boot or VM install of the current version of Ubuntu, and see if the problems persist.  Then you would know if the assumption that simply upgraded to a supported version would fix it is true or just superstition.
[17:42] <leftyfb> jhutchins: they're running on i386
[17:42] <leftyfb> they could upgrade to 18.04 but they refuse
[17:43] <Maik> leftyfb: i thought he was using 18.04?
[17:43] <leftyfb> nope, 16.04. 18.04 is still supported for another year
[17:43] <jhutchins> leftyfb: Upgrades aren't the panacea you seem to think they are.
[17:43] <jhutchins> They come with their own problems.
[17:43] <leftyfb> jhutchins: irrelevant. EOL isn't supported here
[17:44] <jhutchins> Heh.  Maybe we need an "ubuntu-heretage" channel.
[17:44] <Maik> yeah that version is EOL and if DOSfan is too stubborn to listen and not willing to upgrade, support ends here.
[17:47] <DOSfan> Maik: hate to break it to ya ... but no one has helped me yet once.
[17:47] <leftyfb> DOSfan: because you're not running a supported version of ubuntu
[17:47] <DOSfan> anyway it's ver 18.04 ... also I read that Mint people also have this issue (newer versions).
[17:48] <Maik> DOSfan: and you are not even willing to do that what's asked
[17:48] <DOSfan> READ
[17:48] <DOSfan> gzzzzzzz
[17:48] <Maik> no you
[17:48] <leftyfb> DOSfan: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:48] <Maik> do that ^
[17:48] <DOSfan> fine
[17:49] <leftyfb> DOSfan: if you do that, within the next few seconds here, and you aren't lying, then people will be willing to help you
[17:49] <DOSfan> EVEN if I do that ... do you even have a solution ... allot of ubuntu versions have this issue as wll ... it does mention that it connot connect to a D-B
[17:49] <Maik> just DO it
[17:50] <Maik> DOSfan: and if not then please stop wasting our time and move on
[17:51] <Maik> ok then not, your loss
[17:51] <leftyfb> DOSfan: spending time googling for the output of those on google are we?
[17:53] <DOSfan> not gonna paste info to some web site ... here what is in the os-release file ... PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS"
[17:53] <leftyfb> nope, not what we asked for
[17:54] <DOSfan> oh well ... I'll just keep reading the web ... perhaps installing kdesu might help. thanks
[17:54] <jhutchins> DOSfan: https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-distros-with-32-bit-support/
[17:55] <DOSfan> leftyfbno you asked to have information about a computer to paste to some external web site (terbin.com) , firewall prevents that sorry
[17:55] <leftyfb> no it doesn't
[17:55] <jhutchins> DOSfan: I would expect that mint and debian are closest to ubuntu.
[17:55] <DOSfan> anyway .. thanks again for the help
[17:55] <Maik> firewall prevents that... sure... lol
[17:56] <leftyfb> DOSfan: so you're on some network you don't control running a 32bit machine and that network just happens to block a very benign pastebin site that gets used quite a bit here?
[18:07] <DOSfan> Maik : yes blocked ... why would I want any traffic over port 9999 ... anyway I did answer your question regarding that os-release file.  Oh well, PCMANFM runs fine as root so all it well.
[18:09] <Maik> do as you please but stop bothering us if you refuse to cooperate
[18:10] <DOSfan> Maik: nice reply.
[18:11] <Maik> ignore it is
[18:14] <DOSfan> Maik: actually I just ran root mode successfully from the Krusader menu, so it does work, good enuf.
[18:25] <tomreyn> webchat90: i'm guessing that (network-manager not listing the device) is due to the device name, which is non-standard. you will see such non-standard device names when a proprietary / vendor driver is installed and grabs the device.
[18:27] <tomreyn> Guest59: if you need a newer nodejs / npm version than Ubuntu 21.10 provides, you'll probably need to use the vendor / upstream apt repository (not supported here)
[18:35] <jhutchins> https://makezine.com/projects/diy-atlas-of-space/
[18:36] <Maik> jhutchins: wrong channel
[18:38] <jhutchins> Yeah, I know, actually DOING something with Ubuntu is off-topic here.  I considered posting an "oops" to also be off-topic, and noise as well, so I didn't bother.  Thanks for making more of it than it needed to be.
[18:40]  * Maik shrugs
[18:41] <tomreyn> jhutchins: i know you've helped others here, which is appreciated, but this is the second off-topic link youposted here in two days out of nothing. so please don't.
[18:42] <tomreyn> let's use -offtopic for this.
[18:51] <tesseract> hello. i learnt that red hat has 19K employee. how many employee does canonical have?
[18:52] <tomreyn> tesseract: the topic of this channel is ubuntu support (Q&A) for the listed ubuntu releases. your question might be suitable for #ubuntu-offtopic (but i would not expect an official reply)
[18:53] <tesseract> how many employee is ready to help me in professional support then?
[18:54] <Maik> tesseract: do you actually have a Ubuntu support question?
[18:54] <tesseract> it is a support question
[18:54] <Maik> it's not
[18:54] <tesseract> yes it is
[18:54] <tesseract> and you guys are boring
[19:20] <axsuul> Anyone know what version systemd will be for Ubuntu 22.04?
[19:21] <Maik> axsuul: join #ubuntu-next for questions about 22.04
[19:21] <axsuul> Maik: thank you
[19:23] <Guest49> Hi, I have a 2021 mac book air and I am trying to create an ubuntu flash drive. I followed the directions on the official website but now whenever I plug my drive in it says it's not readable
[19:24] <sarnold> "it says it's not readable" -- what is "it"?
[19:24] <Guest49> a notification pops up
[19:24] <Guest49> i am not sure what you mean
[19:25] <Guest49> ok so now I am not getting the error message but i am very confused by disk utility
[19:25] <Heston> hey guys, is there any reason why an ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> Livecd would modifiy ./boot/grub/efi.img?
[19:26] <Heston> it's now failing the md5 checksum
[19:26] <Guest49> how do i make a bootable drive??
[19:26] <Guest49> help
[19:26] <Guest49> i have been struggling for hours
[19:26] <tomreyn> Guest49: the easiest is using balena etcher
[19:26] <Guest49> i did that
[19:27] <Guest49> it wont read the drive
[19:27] <Guest49> so i erased it
[19:27] <Guest49> same deal
[19:27] <tomreyn> Guest49: maybe that drive is broken?
[19:27] <Guest49> no it's brand new from STAPLEs and opens fine on my friends computer
[19:28] <tomreyn> what kind of drive is this, and whats the name of the ubuntu ISO file you are writing to it?
[19:29] <tomreyn> does balena etcher report just "not readable"? i bet it says more than this.
[19:29] <Guest49> Lexar USB flash drive media, ubuntu20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:29] <Guest49> balena etcher seems fine
[19:29] <Guest49> it said that the flash was successful
[19:30] <Guest49> upon subsequently attempting to read the usb, my operating system says its not readable
[19:30] <tomreyn> Heston: you probably mean Ubuntu 18.04.1 ? which "./boot/grub/efi.img" do you mean,t hough? the one on the live iso itself?
[19:30] <tomreyn> Heston: have you verified the authenticity of the live iso?
[19:31] <tomreyn> Guest49: i assume you're not already running linux now, right? is this mac os?
[19:31] <Guest49> yes this is mac os
[19:31] <Guest49> im trying to make a bootable drive with ubuntu so i can use it
[19:32] <tomreyn> i bet there will be a mac os channel here, were you can get help with writing the isp to the usb stick
[19:32] <rdr> have you tried booting from it?
[19:32] <rdr> It may be the case that mac is unable to read the filesystem?
[19:33] <Guest49> well when I go into the terminal to see what might be wrong it says "Unable to repair this whole disk: A GUID Partition Table (GPT) partitioning scheme is required (-69773)
[19:33] <Guest49> "
[19:33] <Heston> tomreyn, right yes 18.04.1 . The one on the livecd. It's only now failing after having used it a few times. Makes me wonder if it was compromised somehow. The checksum of the iso itself that I used to dd it over checks out
[19:33] <tomreyn> well, if the flash failed then testing it further is probably not very useful
[19:33] <Guest49> no the flash was fine
[19:33] <Guest49> etcher said the flash was successful
[19:33] <Heston> tomreyn, i mean, the one on the usb flash drive
[19:34] <Guest49> I think i tried to erase what was on the drive, now it's reading it but it looks really confusing
[19:35] <rdr> i think you should redo it, and if it says successful just leave it, and then try and boot from it
[19:35] <rdr> it may be the case that it is unreadable from macOS
[19:35] <Guest49> Lexar USB flash drive media looks full, even after I erased it. There is a subcategory under Lexar USB flash drive media called "untitled" which appears to be emoty
[19:35] <rdr> I know Windows 10 will try to format boot drives sometimes
[19:35] <rdr> after i make them
[19:36] <rdr> "You have to format Ubuntu_20.04.3 before you can use it, do so now?"
[19:36] <liveacoustic> Question: My Dell laptop comes with an image of 20.4.3 LTS, should I use that image or the official image to install Ubuntu? Is the Dell image optimized more for the hardware?
[19:36] <Guest49> how do i do that?
[19:37] <Guest49> rdr how do i do that?
[19:37] <rdr> Guest49: if you do format it, it's no longer a boot drive
[19:37] <tomreyn> Heston: well if the iso file itself has a correct checksum matching the sha512sum on the releases mirror, you should be fine for this download (you could optionally verify ithe gpg signature over those checksums). and then it seems less likely that the iso file was compromised by the image writer, unless your system is compromized.
[19:37] <rdr> as long as Ubuntu is on the drive, it is usually unreadable by Windows for example
[19:38] <rdr> liveacoustic: Dell pushes a lot of hardware drivers to the main Ubuntu.  I would see no problem using the original image unless you wanted to use something different, say 21.10 instead, or some other configuration, like disk encryption
[19:38] <Heston> tomreyn, im sure it wasn't the image writer. It had to happen while it was booted and on the internet. I wonder if that file makes sense as an attack point
[19:39] <tomreyn> Guest49: i think you really need to get os x specific support with writing an iso to this device on os x.
[19:39] <tomreyn> !alis | Guest49
[19:40] <rdr> Guest49: you could try using this tutorial as well, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-macos#1-overview
[19:40] <Guest49> I followed the tutorial thats why im so confused
[19:40] <Guest49> wait what how do i find the mac support form?
[19:40] <tomreyn> Heston: what is the proof you have that this file (again: where exactly is that located?) was modified by this live system?
[19:41] <Guest49> i dont understand what you told me to do
[19:42] <rdr> I don't think there is a specific mac channel
[19:42] <rdr> Guest49: did you try booting from the stick after flashing with Etcher?
[19:42] <Guest49> I just saw that it wouldnt read and assumed something was wrong
[19:42] <Guest49> so i tried erasing it
[19:42] <tomreyn> Guest49: type this: /join #MacOSX
[19:43] <rdr> i would try flashing again, and then try booting.  it not being read in macOS is usually not an issue
[19:43] <Heston> tomreyn, it's located on a usb flash drive at /Xubuntu 18.04.1 LTS amd64/boot/grub/efi.img  it fails to pass the md5sum which is provided at /Xubuntu 18.04.1 LTS amd64/md5sum.txt
[19:44] <Guest49> I did but it's not letting me send messages
[19:44] <Heston> the original file within the iso matches the proper checksum
[19:44] <WaV> Should we be expecting a new LTS this April?
[19:45] <tomreyn> Heston: i don't think this file is actually writable, since the data from the installer iso is untouchable and only overlayed by another file system which may seem to make files writable (but this will not persist a reboot)
[19:45] <tomreyn> WaV: yes, more info on that topic in #ubuntu-next
[19:45] <Heston> in either case it was modified
[19:45] <Heston> im going to try diffing the 2
[19:45] <tomreyn> !register | Heston
[19:46] <tomreyn> ^ may be needed to join that os x channel
[19:46] <Guest49> I joined the osx channel
[19:46] <Guest49> its not letting me send messages
[19:46] <tomreyn> Heston: you should really be using a current 18.04 installer iso, though, or better a newer release, since 18.04 only has another year of free support.
[19:47] <Heston> uhm. my nick is register
[19:47] <Heston> ed
[19:47] <tomreyn> Heston: sorry, the nick registration message was meant to go to Guest49
[19:47] <tomreyn> !register | Guest49
[19:47] <Guest49> wait what is a nick??
[19:47] <Guest49> i have literally never used this form or LINUX before im so lost
[19:48] <tomreyn> then read, or type   /join #libera     and ask for help there
[19:50] <Heston> tomreyn, i realise it's old. It was more a matter of determining if it had been rooted/compromised or just data corruption
[19:52] <tomreyn> i see
[19:54] <morganu> question: what desktop environments are "real ubuntu" so I can get support here? I looked on the web and didnt find it (bad search terms maybe) so I ask. Mate? Cinnamon?  -- are there problems in 21.10? Am I pretty safe installing that? What are the advantages?. (2 questions in one)
[19:55] <tomreyn> !flavors | morganu
[19:55] <morganu> great thanks
[19:57] <rdr> specifically, I don't think the Cinnamon flavour is officially recognized as of yet, MATE definitely is (Ubuntu MATE)
[19:57] <tomreyn> there are certainly open bug reports and *some* issues in every release, nothing is perfect, or nothing is perceived as perfect by everybody. generally, LTS releases tend to get more developer love and polish than 9 month support life releases such as 21.10.
[19:57] <Maik> rdr: it indeed isn't
[19:59] <tomreyn> morganu: Newer Ubuntu releases come with newer software, but that newer software may also be available as backports or third parties on the latest LTS release. But you shouldn't expect non-LTS releases to actively harm your computer.
[19:59] <StupidLikeAFox> So, I'm on xubunutu 20.04lts, and I can only seem to open new windows that aren't from a thing already running
[19:59] <StupidLikeAFox> "Maximum number of clients reachedUnable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[19:59] <StupidLikeAFox> Failed to initialize GTK.
[20:00] <StupidLikeAFox> " Is the error I get trying to open a window from a terminal
[20:00] <tomreyn> sounds like something went really wrong with Xorg there. logout + login or reboot, and optionally review logs.
[20:01]  * tomreyn bbl
[20:05] <morganu> Thanks tomreyn This is a good page I found. https://linuxconfig.org/the-8-best-ubuntu-desktop-environments-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[20:07] <morganu> ... but that page includes cinnamon desktop as downloadable over ubuntu
[20:10] <Sunrise> morganu: check the date on the article maybe?
[20:11] <Sunrise> Who decides what gets included in the Ubuntu live issues?
[20:12] <rdr> i think that was the author's opinion on the "best" desktops, not necssarily those that are official flavours
[20:12] <morganu> 2 april 2020. so they dropped some since 20.04 came out? I noticed 20.04 in the title Sunrise
[20:14] <rdr> Cinnamon is a new project, while it has been installable for a while the flavour hasn't been official as of yet
[20:14] <rdr> er
[20:14] <rdr> cinnamon itself is an older project from Linux Mint, but the Ubuntu version is "new"
[20:16] <Sunrise> rdr: that makes sense. i remember cinnamon from way back sometime
[20:21] <Maik> if you do not have a support question and would like to continue with the desktop conversation would you mind to take it to #ubuntu-discuss or -offtopic please?
[20:43] <spaceangel> hello.. i need help :-) how to add icon to systray from (bash) script?
[20:44] <spaceangel> i founnd yad, but.. i want just add icon, and remove when sciprt ends
[20:47] <ioria> spaceangel, in general, when you name desktop's object (like systray), you should state your DE; infact the deafult gnome-shell does not have a systray
[20:49] <StupidLikeAFox> Hmm, can I restart xorg without killing the stuff I have running in screen?
[20:50] <StupidLikeAFox> Ah, It seems to be working now- I think I killed what was making the system be unstable
[20:54] <noarb> what is the difference between the reported CPU temperature when loggin in via SSH and the something like `cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/temp`? 47.0 C via ssh vs cat'ing the file: 27800 29800 39000 31000
[21:08] <Guest59> I am back to unity
[21:08] <Guest59> on ubuntu 21.10
[21:08] <Guest59> since upgrade broke gnome looks
[21:08] <Guest59> but unity great
[21:09] <leftyfb> Guest59: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:09] <Guest59> how to change unity's menu to fullscreen
[21:09] <Guest59> again
[21:12] <Maik> Guest59: unity, though still in the repo's, is not a official desktop anymore. So giving support for it is difficult and out of it's place here i guess
[21:13] <Maik> anyway, if you want the dash to become fullscreen just click the maximize button at the top left when it's open
[21:14] <Maik> it's depends on your screenresolution though if it works or not iirc
[21:20] <jhutchins> !info unity
[21:21] <jhutchins> Since there isn't a dedicated channel, and this is the generic fallback for Ubuntu as a whole, this would appear to be the channel for support.
[21:24] <Maik> jay-m126: please fix your connection.... again
[21:28] <Maik> jhutchins: there isn't? #ubuntu-unity
[21:28] <Maik> not much people there though but still, the channel exsist
[21:32] <Maik> Guest59: by the way, i upgraded from 20.04 al the way to 21.10 once and didn't experience any issues
[21:33] <genii> The current system I'm on has been continuously upgraded LTS to LTS since 8.04 and is now on 20.04
[22:11] <Guest59> ffmpeg -f x11grab -video_size 1920x1080 -framerate 60 -i 60:1 -v verbose -f pulse -i default -vf format=yuv420p output.mp4
[22:11] <Guest59> ffmpeg -f x11grab -video_size 1920x1080 -framerate 60 -i 1:1 -v verbose -f pulse -i default -vf format=yuv420p output.mp4
[22:11] <Guest59> this does not seem to work
[22:15] <jhutchins> Guest59: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[22:23] <Guest89> hi all
[22:27] <Guest59> ffmpeg -f x11grab -video_size 1920x1080 -framerate 60 -i :0 -v verbose -f pulse -i default -vf format=yuv420p output.mp4
[22:27] <Guest59> can't grab screen
[22:27] <Guest59> can't save file
[22:27] <Guest59> also dash to dock is broken on gnome on 21.10
[22:27] <Guest59> again
[22:27] <Guest59> I did not want to upgrade
[22:28] <Guest59> but these people support whatever
[22:28] <sarnold> Guest59: Tue 25 22:15:14 < jhutchins> Guest59: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[22:28] <Guest59> dude I did not expect anything to change
[22:28] <sarnold> Guest59: I'm not too surprised dash to dock is broken, I think Ihear that name as "broken" often
[22:28] <Guest59> after upgrade from 21.04
[22:28] <Guest59> it worked
[22:28] <Guest59> nautilus is broken on it
[22:29] <Guest59> besides
[22:29] <Guest59> window menu is broken too
[22:29] <Guest59> it does had transparancy
[22:29] <leftyfb> Guest59: you were told that Unity isn't officially supported
[22:30] <Guest59> I am not on unity
[22:30] <Guest59> I installed that to check it it would be better
[22:30] <Guest59> also
[22:30] <leftyfb> no?
[22:30] <leftyfb> 2022 Jan 25 16:08:22 <Guest59>	I am back to unity
[22:31] <Guest59> for a 10 minutes
[22:31] <Guest59> then I realised it's not working as well
[22:33] <Maik> probably a PEBCAK because everything is working as should at my end
[22:33] <leftyfb> doesn't 21.10 default to wayland?
[22:33] <Maik> yes
[22:33] <sarnold> what do upgrades do?
[22:33] <leftyfb> which would render x11grab broken
[23:04] <whirlofnew> hi
[23:14] <kdfj> list
[23:15] <leftyfb> kdfj: can we help you with something?
[23:24] <Intelo> Is there an app that "just" sends alerts (desktop / phone etc)? There are many chat apps or meeting apps like discord or zoom but what if only an alert app is needed. In which everyone sees a list of people in a room and can simply send them alert. That alert should popup on desktop or mobile.
[23:25] <Guest59> anyway
[23:25] <Guest59> dash to dock is broken with nautilus/ report that
[23:26] <Guest59> cause gnome is not beautiful by default
[23:28] <sarnold> Intelo: so.. I haven't seen anything packaged up, or sitting on github, to do alerts to phones. I think most (all?) phone alert things wind up going through either apple servers or google servers or something similar
[23:29] <leftyfb> Guest59: feel free to reach out to the dash to dock developer for support with their gnome extension
[23:29] <Guest59> dash to panel *
[23:29] <sarnold> Intelo: I'm 70% sure I've seen amazon offer an sdk to do phone alerts. I don't know how it works, what it costs, etc, or if there's any pre-made clients to use it on the phones
[23:30] <Intelo> sarnold need for desktop for now at least
[23:30] <rdr> Intelo: you could look into KDEConnect on KDE/Phone (GSConnect for GNOME) and turn off the extra functionality, also, there was another one in the store for ubuntu but i forget the name... something qt
[23:30] <leftyfb> Intelo: I use pushover to send alerts to my desktop(from local script or browser) and phone
[23:31] <leftyfb> Intelo: mind you this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[23:31] <Guest59> https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel/issues/1437
[23:31] <Intelo> leftyfb "pushover'?
[23:31] <leftyfb> Intelo: pushover.net
[23:32] <sarnold> leftyfb: cool
[23:32] <Intelo> thanks
[23:33] <Intelo> wanted my own free app though
[23:33] <leftyfb> Intelo: pushover is free
[23:33] <rdr> GSConnect is open source and free too
[23:33] <rdr> but only works when connected to the same network (wifi/wired)
[23:35] <leftyfb> sarnold: I use it daily for getting alerts when deployments are finished or failed and for my 3d printer
[23:36] <sarnold> leftyfb: awesome stuff -- I've thought before it'd be neat to have something like that and figured that telegram bot might be the easiest way to get there
[23:38] <Guest59> I upgraded and it is fixed
[23:38] <leftyfb> Guest59: you upgraded what?
[23:38] <Guest59> dash for panel
[23:38] <Guest59> but menu is still black and not transparent
[23:39] <leftyfb> Guest59: you do understand that it's a 3rd party extension written by some guy right?
[23:42] <leftyfb> until the next time they have an issue with a 3rd party tool. I give it 1 hour
[23:43] <sarnold> that long?
[23:47] <jdmark> what do i need to edit in ubuntu live to make the persistent usb updateable in ubuntu 21?
[23:48] <morganu> 20.04  i DONT HAVE SCREEN DISPLAY UNER SETTINGS (Settings --> Screen Display --> Night Light) AND ACTIVITIES DOESNT UNDERSTAND "NIGHTLIGHT) oops So how do I get to nightlight?
[23:50] <Aarch64debian> !info redshift
[23:53] <leftyfb> morganu: https://imgur.com/a/fUzjPex
[23:54] <sarnold> leftyfb: 100% I wouldn't see that :)
[23:55] <leftyfb> I'm not saying it's a good design decision. But it is there


[04:29] <ablest1980> hello
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: hi mate
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Playing-Windows-Games-on-Linux-Is-Easier-with-PlayOnLinux-4-2-7-480393.shtml
[04:31] <ablest1980> Last failed attempt from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on May 06 23:48:50 2015.
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> whats that
[04:33] <ablest1980> i seen that when i identify my nick
[04:33] <ablest1980> someone tried my nick
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> maybe ask in ##freenode
[04:34] <ablest1980> done
 i got Last failed attempt from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on May 06 23:48:50 2015. when identifying my nick
 a lot of people do ablest1980
 thecholbs has been trying to hijack accounts it seems
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> :o
[04:38] <ablest1980> lol
[04:46] <ablest1980> bbl
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> kk
[05:05] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: hello mate :p
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> how are you
[05:05] <EriC^^> great you?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> early support :p
[05:06] <EriC^^> :D
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: did you see those machines? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/new-ubuntu-laptops-available-from-ebuyer-2-2
[05:07] <EriC^^> nice
[05:07] <EriC^^> pretty cheap too
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah, not the greatest hardware, but still cheap :p
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> its a good thing to make ubuntu boxes cheaper then windows ones
[05:08] <EriC^^> yeah true
[05:09] <EriC^^> needs a smaller ssd instead of the 1tb hdd and it would be almost perfect
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> i also thought so, samsung pro 850 and those boxes would rocknroll!
[05:09] <EriC^^> :D
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> i find it real weird, so many manufacturers still use mechanical hd's
[05:10] <EriC^^> yeah
[06:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:30] <daftykins> o/
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:14] <daftykins> o/
[23:10] <daftykins> adsjlkdk is a known troll, FYI
[23:11] <OerHeks> i remember that ip thanks
[23:11] <daftykins> :)