[15:01] <GrueMaster> To all that were planning on attending the Mobile/Arm team meeting today at 15:00 UTC; the meeting has been canceled do to key players' otehr commitments and holiday schedules.  Thank you.
[19:00]  * charlie-tca waves
[19:01] <mr_pouit> \o
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Well, let's get this started, huh?
[19:02] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:02. The chair is charlie-tca.
[19:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:02]  * micahg forgot the meeting was in here :-/
[19:02] <charlie-tca> heh, and I did send a reminder, too
[19:03] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <cody-somerville> Hi
[19:03] <charlie-tca> I don't plan on copying all of it right now
[19:03] <charlie-tca> hello, cody-somerville
[19:03] <charlie-tca> I see Book_em_Dano too, back there
[19:03] <Book_em_Dano> wassup
[19:04] <beardygnome> hi guys, sorry i'm a bit late
[19:04] <charlie-tca> For those who don't know it yet, Book_em_Dano is working on updating the documentation for Xubunt!
[19:04] <Book_em_Dano> trying to do the best I can
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Hello, beardygnome. You're right on time
[19:05] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old business
[19:05] <charlie-tca> I did email the developer of LightDM, and got a nice response.
[19:05] <charlie-tca> He believes it should be ready in time for Natty release, but we have no dates yet on when we can actually try it
[19:06] <charlie-tca> One note on that, it worked when GDM failed the last 24 hours
[19:06] <charlie-tca> any questions on LightDM?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates - Team Leads
[19:07] <knome> (hey all! i'm not really actively here, but trying to follow)
[19:07] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Packaging & Development - mr_pouit
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Packaging & Development - mr_pouit
[19:07] <charlie-tca> Go ahead, sir
[19:07] <mr_pouit> eh, ok
[19:08] <mr_pouit> so, the usual link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Natty/Xfce4.8
[19:08] <mr_pouit> and for 4.8, the progress this week:
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * legacy: Uploaded thunar-vfs 1.1.1.
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * core: Uploaded remaining packages from 4.8~pre1, and all packages from 4.8~pre2.
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * panel-plugins: ~25 rebuilt, ~17 to go.
[19:09] <mr_pouit> dailies are still broken because all panel plugins are not rebuilt yet.
[19:09] <mr_pouit> No other breaking news. :P
[19:09] <charlie-tca> w00t! gaining rapidly on Natty...
[19:09] <micahg> mr_pouit: would it help if I grabbed a few of those panel plugins and rebuilt this weekend?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> GDM was fixed today by the Ubuntu team. logins are working again for Natty
[19:10] <mr_pouit> micahg: yep, sure (although I said incorrectly "rebuild", because the remaining ones need more work)
[19:10] <micahg> oh, hmm
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Any questions for on Packaging and Development ?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> micahg: don't let that stop you!
[19:11] <charlie-tca> you can do it
[19:11] <micahg> mr_pouit: can I just grab and fix then?  Do I need to coordinate w/Debian?
[19:12] <micahg> I guess we can chat about this after the meeting
[19:12] <mr_pouit> micahg: yep, let's discuss about that after, so the meeting doesn't last too long :p
[19:12] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Triage & Testing
[19:13] <charlie-tca> We are going to invalidate a bunch of bugs with Xfce4.7/8 coming in. Since almost all of the panel code was re-written, those bugs will that still exist will need to be filed as new bugs
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Stack traces will need to be supplied, and in natty, apport will not work for us, last I heard. Which is okay, since we usually have to run gdb backtraces anyway
[19:16] <mr_pouit> mmh, apport won't work?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> I still do not have any powerpc testers. I did send out an email to the users mailing list asking for some.
[19:16] <charlie-tca> correct, mr_pouit. it's up in the air right now as to whether or not we will be able to use it
[19:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: just a note that bugs should be checked as to whether or not they are SRUable before invalidating
[19:16] <charlie-tca> It has been ported to gtk3
[19:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: I think the decision was not to port major infrastructure to gtk3
[19:17] <charlie-tca> micahg: they will be, but most of xfce4.7 will not be backported due to the dependencies
[19:17] <charlie-tca> apport already been done
[19:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, I understand that, but we should be careful to make sure that any bug that's SRU worthy not be closed as the other releases are still supported
[19:18] <charlie-tca> we will check that as part of the process.
[19:18] <micahg> charlie-tca: also, re: apport, they might be reversing that soon
[19:18] <charlie-tca> That's why I said "up in the air" at this point.
[19:19] <charlie-tca> anything else on bugs and testing?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website & Marketing
[19:20] <charlie-tca> ochosi has done a lot of work on greybird  and faenza-xfce icons
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Please take a look at them if you have time, and give some feedback.
[19:21] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty
[19:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty
[19:21] <charlie-tca> has the how to do it information at this time
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I am running Natty with greybird and the faenza-xfce icons, and it great!
[19:22] <charlie-tca> the wallpaper specs are at
[19:22] <charlie-tca> [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper
[19:22] <MootBot> LINK received: [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper
[19:22] <pleia2> I said a while back that I'd try to touch base with current website folks to get that rolling, but I never made time for that, apologies
[19:23] <charlie-tca> pleia2: ???
[19:23] <pleia2> charlie-tca: xubuntu.org is still using our old logo and everything, I had offered to try to get the site changed but haven't yet
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Oh! Thank you very much
[19:25] <charlie-tca> For those wanting to find the logo and icons, they are now on
[19:25] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork
[19:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork
[19:25] <charlie-tca> so you don't have to dig for them. knome did a great job sprucing them up, too
[19:26] <charlie-tca> artwork - the team wants to know if March 17 is a good cutoff date for submissions. The freeze is March 24
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Will that give us enough time to select wallpaper, have it fixed as we want, and get in into packaging?
[19:28] <beardygnome> who will be making the selection?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> That's a good question.
[19:29] <charlie-tca> I would hope those who are contributing to Xubuntu. We can vote in the meeting here.
[19:29] <beardygnome> then maybe we need a little longer?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Okay, anyone have an idea how long we need here?
[19:31] <beardygnome> march 17 and 24 are both thursdays, so we would need a separate meeting to vote on the submissions
[19:31] <charlie-tca> We will have a meeting on the 10th and 17th with this schedule
[19:32] <charlie-tca> or, we can do the voting through the mailing list...
[19:32] <beardygnome> how about we set the cuttoff at march 14 or 15, then vote on march 17?
[19:32] <beardygnome> at the meeting
[19:33] <charlie-tca> I like that idea.
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Anyone else?
[19:33] <mr_pouit> +1
[19:33] <beardygnome> that gives the contributor almost a week to fix it before the freeze, if it needs fixing
[19:34] <charlie-tca> [VOTE] wallpaper  should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote
[19:34] <MootBot> Please vote on:  wallpaper  should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote.
[19:34] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[19:34] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[19:34] <charlie-tca> +1
[19:34] <MootBot> +1 received from charlie-tca. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[19:34] <beardygnome> +1
[19:34] <MootBot> +1 received from beardygnome. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[19:34] <micahg> who has a vote?
[19:34] <charlie-tca> All in attendance
[19:34] <micahg> +1
[19:34] <MootBot> +1 received from micahg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[19:34] <mr_pouit> +1
[19:34] <MootBot> +1 received from mr_pouit. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Any other votes? closing soon
[19:35] <charlie-tca> [ENDVOTE]
[19:35] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[19:36] <charlie-tca> With 4 votes, I will notify the artwork group that we need to set the date March 14 to close submissions
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Any other discussion on Artwork?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Documentation
[19:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I will let Book_em_Dano update us on this one, please
[19:37] <cody-somerville> :-)
[19:37]  * charlie-tca struggled with it long enough in the dark, now
[19:37] <Book_em_Dano> Well, I've been making updates to the Natty branch and most of those changes can be applied to maverick
[19:38] <Book_em_Dano> I'm also reviewing the docs for lucid so that updated docs are available for updates soon
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Great! Are we really going to be up-to-date for Natty, then?
[19:39] <Book_em_Dano> I'm very confident that we will
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Thank you for doing that work! It will be really great to have that done
[19:39] <Book_em_Dano> I'd appreciate some extra eyes to look over the changes I've made
[19:39] <Book_em_Dano> whenever possible
[19:40] <charlie-tca> How do we do that?
[19:40]  * charlie-tca looked in Natty, but of course, the changes are not there yet
[19:40] <Book_em_Dano> pull down the latest branch from bzr
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Okay, and do we let you know directly what we find?
[19:41] <Book_em_Dano> yeah just file a bug or send me an email
[19:42] <beardygnome> Book_em_Dano: I'm new to this, so is there somewhere that details how to "pull down the latest branch from bzr"?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr
[19:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr
[19:42] <Book_em_Dano> just a moment
[19:43] <Book_em_Dano> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository
[19:43] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository
[19:44] <Book_em_Dano> lp:xubuntu-docs is the lastest branch of the documentation
[19:44] <beardygnome> thanks Book_em_Dano
[19:44] <Book_em_Dano> any other ?'s
[19:44] <beardygnome> not about the docs, but where can i get a natty iso?
[19:45] <beardygnome> i'd like to get a vm running it
[19:45] <Book_em_Dano> [LINK]  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[19:45] <MootBot> LINK received:   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[19:46] <beardygnome> brilliant, thanks
[19:46] <charlie-tca> We do not have any daily iso right now, but the alpha1 image is good
[19:46] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/
[19:46] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/
[19:46] <charlie-tca> Until we get the panel plugins updated, we won't get a new image
[19:46] <beardygnome> ok charlie-tca, thanks
[19:47] <Book_em_Dano> I guess that's all for docs now
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much, Book_em_Dano. It's great to know we have you
[19:47] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty
[19:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty
[19:48] <charlie-tca> My thought right now is to discontinue the PS3 port completely, since the manufacturer doesn't want the os changed anymore
[19:48] <charlie-tca> any comments on it?
[19:48] <mr_pouit> I agree
[19:48] <beardygnome> +1.  was it very popular anyway?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> at different times it was
[19:49] <charlie-tca> As for the PowerPC port, unless we get testers for it, we will not be producing the release milestones, thus it will not release as 11.04
[19:50] <charlie-tca> I am willing to allow the dailies until next month, when we should discuss continuing this too.
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Any questions or comments on this?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2
[19:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Since we have many updates to 10.04 when it is installed, I want to publish the .2 image
[19:52] <charlie-tca> This will allow us to get the changes in and save those installing it some bandwidth.
[19:52] <charlie-tca> We know not all places have the fastest thing going, and unlimited downloads available.
[19:53] <beardygnome> that seems like a good idea
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe we can even get the docs in it updated before the release?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we need to SRU the documentation?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: : do we need to SRU the documentation?
[19:54] <micahg> Major Mozilla updates are Firefox 3.6 has Out of process plugins for flash now and Thunderbird will be 3.1.x
[19:55] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Are people still working on 10.04 documentation?
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Book_em_Dano: is trying to update it
[19:55] <charlie-tca> It will be around for another 2 years +
[19:56] <cody-somerville> Is the 10.04 documentation translated?
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I don't believe so, since it is still 9.10 docs
[19:58] <Book_em_Dano> when is the cutoff date to allow updates to be available for 10.04.2?
[19:59] <micahg> Book_em_Dano: probably the beginning of February
[19:59] <charlie-tca> the release is scheduled for February 17, so probably February 10
[20:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, they should be in a week before so they can have proper verification before the images are made
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Yeah? So plan for the 1st of February?
[20:01] <Book_em_Dano> I should be able to revise the docs for lucid by that time
[20:01] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^
[20:01] <micahg> Feb 7 would probably be the last day to sanely get something in, but that's really last minute
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:02] <Book_em_Dano> alright
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Moving on, then, since we need to wrap up,
[20:03] <micahg> BTW, that date is uploaded, not verified :)
[20:03] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Governance
[20:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Governance
[20:03] <charlie-tca> micahg: can you find out for us?
[20:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: find out what?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> what the actual cutoff date is on getting things in for .2?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Not necessarily today, but ...
[20:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: sure, but I would imagine CDs start spinning the Tuesday before release, so you want to have everything uploaded by the Monday before that to give 1 week in -proposed
[20:05] <charlie-tca> that makes sense.
[20:05] <micahg> that's why I said last sane date to upload is Feb 7
[20:06] <charlie-tca> As far as governance, nominations for Project Lead are due by  Dec 15. Please send nominations in to the Community Council
[20:06] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html
[20:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html
[20:06] <micahg> charlie-tca: sorry, I will do that tomorrow
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Done
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I was nominated by j1mc for Project Lead, and will accept that nomination.
[20:07] <micahg> charlie-tca: oh, so I don't have to nominate?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> micahg: correct
[20:08]  * micahg will thanks j1mc later :)
[20:08] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Any other comments/questions on governance3?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[20:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Open floor
[20:09] <charlie-tca> going...
[20:09] <micahg> Thunderbird will be moving to 3.1.x very soon
[20:09] <charlie-tca> going....
[20:09] <micahg> in Lucid
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[20:10] <charlie-tca> We need anyone that can to test the latest thunderbird, too, right?
[20:10] <micahg> so, if anyone wants to test, it's staged in the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA
[20:10] <cody-somerville> Speaking of Project Governance
[20:10] <micahg> but that will probably get pushed out today or tomorrow
[20:10] <beardygnome> test it on lucid or test it full stop?
[20:10] <micahg> beardygnome: just lucid, we shipped maverick with it
[20:10] <jdstrand> micahg: please keep me posted on tbird testing. I am doing it myself as we speak
[20:11] <cody-somerville> I thought charlie-tca was affirmed as the project leader - not just as an interim - already. Am I mistaken?
[20:11] <beardygnome> micahg: ok, thanks
[20:11] <micahg> jdstrand: ok, no new news, release date is supposed to be today for 3.1.7
[20:11] <charlie-tca> I hadn't seen that.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: we never got a vote setup, did we?
[20:12]  * charlie-tca steps back so others can discuss this
[20:13] <cody-somerville> I'm pretty sure we affirmed you, charlie-tca, as the project leader in a community meeting.
[20:13] <cody-somerville> So unless its been three release cycles since then, which I don't think it has been, then I think you're good to go.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> hm, anyone else got anything on that one?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> It's been one cycle, but I did not think it was confirmed
[20:14] <beardygnome> i think you're doing a great job charlie-tca, i was going to vote for you anyway :-)
[20:14] <charlie-tca> thus the call for nominations
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I think we press on with the nominations and CC involvement now
[20:16] <charlie-tca> I really do appreciate the support, though.
[20:16] <charlie-tca> any more comments?
[20:17] <charlie-tca> We will meet again in one week, December 16, here, at 19:00 UTC
[20:17] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[20:17] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:17.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for being here!
[20:17] <beardygnome> i can't make next week's meeting charlie-tca
[20:18] <beardygnome> will there be one on dec 23?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Okay, we will keep good notes.
[20:18] <Book_em_Dano> Are these meetings archived anywhere?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I don't think we will, with Christmas so close. Let's go for the 30th, though
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Book_em_Dano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[20:19] <charlie-tca> archives at the bottom
[20:19] <beardygnome> ok - i'll have my vm running alpha1 then and hopefully will have gone through some of the documentation too
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Great!
[20:20] <charlie-tca> i just hope these serve more purpose than me just blabbering...
[20:21] <beardygnome> yeah, they do. sounds like we're progressing well with natty
[20:22] <charlie-tca> the intent was to try and keep us all informed.
[20:22] <beardygnome> one question for you charlie-tca - what does SRU stand for? :-)
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Stable Release Update
[20:22] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[20:23] <beardygnome> ty
[20:28] <boinkboink1>  /part


[00:01] <hamitron> I remember the cpu did get hot when run at full speed
[00:01] <DeathSling1> i'm trying to figure out how to get vmbuilder to work. I have it working on another machine but this just errors
[00:01] <hamitron> but it is one of them AthlonXP-m chips, so can get it to stay at 800mhz
[00:01] <hamitron> :\
[00:03] <DeathSling1> ?
[00:03] <DeathSling1> ah yeah, sorry. Brain is fading  ;)
[00:03] <kirrus> http://www.osnews.com/story/24700/_PSN_Ran_Outdated_Unpatched_Apache_without_Firewall_
[00:03] <kirrus> Just... no...
[00:04] <hamitron> so nothing clever, just lazy
[00:05] <hamitron> :/
[00:06]  * brobostigon sets up gwibbers dual panes, to show election reuslts, seperatly.
[00:08] <hamitron> :)
[00:08] <hamitron> when are AV results in?
[00:16] <exobuzz> tomorrows
[00:16] <reaper4334> Hi
[06:37] <dragonkeeper> how do i get a .sh script to call a different .sh script in a different terminal ?
[06:39] <dragonkeeper> i tried to call the script sudo ./scriptname.sh   but it runs in that terminal ;/
[06:40] <ging> dragonkeeper: can't you just run it in the background or do you specifically want it to pop up into another terminal?
[06:41] <dragonkeeper> ging: i want it to pop up another terminal and that new terminal to open a file
[06:42] <AlanBell> I guess it could run the gnome-terminal command
[06:42] <AlanBell> but this is a pretty odd thing to want to do
[06:42] <dragonkeeper> i tried gnome-terminal scriptname.sh   but it just opened a terminal like normal
[06:44] <AlanBell> gnome-terminal -e find / &
[06:45] <AlanBell> that will launch a terminal in the background, and list all files on your system in it, then close
[06:45] <AlanBell> I did find / because a short command like ls means the terminal barely opens before it closes again
[06:46] <dragonkeeper> so if i do  gnome-terminal -e " then put a command here"  ?
[06:46] <AlanBell> yeah
[06:46] <AlanBell> but like I said, this is an odd request
[06:47] <AlanBell> what if you want to run the command whilst not running X?
[06:48] <dragonkeeper> i just like alot of stuff to open at same time and some are scripts so wanted to make one script to boot it all up at same time
[06:52] <dragonkeeper> that works perfectly
[06:53] <dragonkeeper> now only if was a way to give script root privileges with out having type a pass
[06:55] <AlanBell> there is
[06:55] <AlanBell> setuid
[06:55] <AlanBell> I have no idea how to use it, I never have
[06:55] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid
[06:57] <dragonkeeper> ahh ok ty
[07:11] <HazRPG> \o
[07:11] <HazRPG> morning all
[07:48] <popey> morning
[07:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning peeps
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Got a meeting on your manor this morning popey
[07:54]  * popey raises the drawbridge
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[07:54] <popey> :)
[07:57] <pipa> Help! How do you create a list of packages that everything else depends on?
[07:57] <czajkowski> Aloha
[07:58]  * popey waits for 9am to phone virgin to get his internet back on
[07:59] <popey> er 8am
[08:00] <czajkowski> what happened?
[08:02] <popey> got a new hub
[08:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2092166_election_local_council_results "In Waverley, all opposition [to the Tories] has been virtually wiped out. "
[08:04] <Pendulum> morning
[08:04] <czajkowski> yes oddly enough whe I wen to vote yesterday
[08:04] <czajkowski> there was a local election
[08:04] <czajkowski> I'd not heard anything of
[08:04] <czajkowski> back home I'd go 1 2  3
[08:05] <czajkowski> over here I can only Go X
[08:05] <czajkowski> very odd
[08:05] <czajkowski> and I voted on the AV bring ye more in line with common sense voting
[08:06] <pipa> I'd of voted Schulze method
[08:12] <popey> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1283756073.png  MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH!
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: New internet connection in your Evil Underground Lair?
[08:13] <popey> Yes!
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> too bad about the upload though
[08:13] <popey> that upload is just perfect for me :)
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'm getting 100/100
[08:13] <popey> nice!
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey - that's fast.
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: speaking of upload :)
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shame I live nowhere near a cable service
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> I wonder how they're going to connect the fibre to my appartment
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> (I'm on the 7th floor)
[08:24] <popey> dangle a cable from a helicopter
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: unlikely
[08:55] <gord> morning all
[08:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://blog.canonical.com/?p=566
[09:00] <gord> ooh what did we say this time
[09:00] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:02] <hoover> moning all
[09:02] <MooDoo> :)
[09:02] <popey> zoiks
[09:03] <MooDoo> popey: ?
[09:04] <popey> see the link TheOpenSourcerer posted
[09:04] <gord> oh right its matt zimmerman leaving. sad days
[09:05] <czajkowski> :(
[09:05] <czajkowski> so true
[09:05] <czajkowski> the man is a great guy and so approachable
[09:05] <MooDoo> blimey
[09:05] <popey> wonder if he's off to Google :)
[09:05] <MooDoo> hehe
[09:06] <bigcalm> Morning peeps, good or otherwise
[09:06] <popey> lo bigcalm
[09:06] <MooDoo> sometimes it's just time to move on.
[09:06] <czajkowski> MooDoo: true
[09:07] <bigcalm> popey: what will you be doing with your new found bandwidth?
[09:07] <Myrtti> mdz news makes me sad
[09:07] <Myrtti> moin all
[09:07]  * bigcalm hugs Myrtti happy
[09:07] <awilkins> Hmmph. Either it's a compression effect or my ISP has upgraded my bandwidth without asking. Bastards.
[09:07] <czajkowski> I met him in barcelona when I wne to my first uds and sat talking to him, not exactly realising who he actually was.he was very helpful listened and has always been helpful when I asked him to speak at events.
[09:08] <AlanBell> hello pipa and pippa
[09:08] <AlanBell> pipa: you mean packages on your system?
[09:08] <MooDoo> czajkowski: sounds a pleasant chappy.....
[09:08] <czajkowski> he is
[09:09] <Myrtti> I love the articles he shares in greader
[09:09] <popey> bigcalm: right now, I am using debmirror :)
[09:10] <czajkowski> ohh Bones
[09:10] <czajkowski> and Big bang theory
[09:10] <czajkowski> time for some beans on toast, and tea
[09:10] <czajkowski> :D
[09:10] <MooDoo> bones.....ftw!
[09:11] <dwatkins> yeah, Bones rocks, as does Fringe
[09:11] <MooDoo> yay fringe
[09:11] <MooDoo> and smallville and eureka
[09:11] <MooDoo> and ncis
[09:11] <czajkowski> NCIS LA was damn good yesterday
[09:11] <czajkowski> there is a mole in NCIS
[09:12] <czajkowski> wonder wll the director go
[09:12] <MooDoo> only watched the first few of those, think i need to catch up
[09:12] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i thought it was jimmy at first but now i'm not so sure
[09:12] <dwatkins> I used to watch Smallville, it got a bit wierd. Quite like Eureka though.
[09:12] <czajkowski> noooo has to be someone on the new team
[09:12] <gord> mmm beans on toast, could go for some of that
[09:12] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i dunno, they are there only as part of their introduction coz they are the new spin off
[09:13] <czajkowski> bah
[09:13] <czajkowski> really
[09:13] <czajkowski> gibbs really hates them
[09:13] <MooDoo> czajkowski: well i'm only guessing, but it was mentioned they were showing the new spin off team
[09:13] <czajkowski> hmm
[09:13] <czajkowski> no likey
[09:13] <czajkowski> the blonde is annoying
[09:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski: better not be abi :D
[09:14] <czajkowski> one of the team is from Numb3rs
[09:14] <MooDoo> really?
[09:14] <czajkowski> ducky!
[09:14] <MooDoo> oh yeah
[09:14] <MooDoo> no not ducky
[09:14] <MooDoo> i'm thinking a minor char
[09:15] <czajkowski> denoza nope not after last nights ep, not jimmy, he wuldnt have the balls to do it, no abi as well,... no... not gibs, so it has to be ducky or his assistant, or the director is out for gibbs
[09:15] <MooDoo> jimmy is duckys assistant
[09:16] <czajkowski> oh thinking of ...
[09:16] <czajkowski> bah
[09:16] <czajkowski> names..
[09:16] <MooDoo> czajkowski: glad i'm able to download them from the states :D
[09:17] <MooDoo> ooo bones ep 21 :D
[09:17] <czajkowski> TIm McGee
[09:17] <bigcalm> popey: have VM asked you to max out the connection for hours on end? ;)
[09:17] <MooDoo> nah
[09:17] <MooDoo> supernatuaral is another good one.
[09:18] <wintellect> MOrnin
[09:18] <MooDoo> o/
[09:20] <popey> bigcalm: :)
[09:20] <popey> bigcalm: I have downloaded ~50GB in the last 24 hours or so
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - shiny. 480core ARM Server: http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/calxeda-to-offer-480-core-arm-server-20110314/
[09:21] <bigcalm> popey: Balls to the fair useage policy!
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Laterz all.
[09:21] <czajkowski> popey: please tell me thats not all natty updates :p
[09:21] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: toodles
[09:22] <popey> czajkowski: thats a copy of the entire natty repo, i386 and amd64
[09:22] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: ttfn
[09:22] <czajkowski> popey: what odd testing are you doing
[09:23] <popey> wel.
[09:23] <popey> imagine having a USB stick that boots to either (optionally) the i386 or AMD64 ISO
[09:24] <popey> you do the install, then point your apt at the usb stick and install anything you want from the repo
[09:24] <popey> so you can do fully offline installs
[09:24] <czajkowski> actually funny thing, I've not one USB in the house
[09:24]  * AlanBell has a USB belonging to czajkowski
[09:24] <popey> heh
[09:25] <czajkowski> you do
[09:25] <czajkowski> ducky
[09:25] <AlanBell> quack
[09:26] <oimon> i have 3 usb sticks in my pocket at all times
[09:28] <AlanBell> is that a USB stick in your pocket or are you just . . . never mind
[09:28]  * MooDoo shakes head :D
[09:28] <bigcalm> Just realised the folly of Radio 4 recording the Friday Night News Quiz on Thursday. As with them speculating over the wedding last week, it'll be speculation over the voting results today
[09:29]  * Myrtti is watching a show about ospreys in UK, interesting
[09:29] <oimon> there's been an election?
[09:29] <oimon> ;)
[09:30] <bigcalm> Not really that bothered about the local elections, it's the AV result I want to know
[09:30] <oimon> i can tell you that already
[09:30] <MooDoo> oimon: ah that explains the extra traffic
[09:30] <MooDoo> bigcalm: 8pm tonight
[09:30] <bigcalm> MooDoo: indeed!
[09:30] <czajkowski> Myrtti: the rugby team ?
[09:30] <MooDoo> but we all know the answer already :)
[09:30] <Myrtti> czajkowski: no, the bird
[09:30] <oimon> i have a new theory. the election result is always NOT what the masses on twitter are proclaiming
[09:30] <czajkowski> Myrtti: oh right yes
[09:31] <Myrtti> czajkowski: it's the official bird of these parts of Finland, the town I was born started out as a mill village of the parish called "osprey hill" in English
[09:32] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ah ok, I just associate it with one of the rugy teams we play
[09:33] <Myrtti> http://www.natureit.net/kamera/saaksisaatio
[09:34] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you really are a rugby fan aren't you :D
[09:35] <czajkowski> again I'm going to point out I'm from Limerick, which is in Munster the home of Irish rugby
[09:35] <czajkowski> you either follow rugby or GAA
[09:35] <czajkowski> it's as simple as that
[09:36] <popey> bbc live news seems screwed today
[09:36] <danfish> morning - my rugby highlight just pinged
[09:36] <czajkowski> danfish: go pick another date YOU:RE free so we can go watch a rugby match again
[09:38] <danfish> czajkowski: world cup soon so plenty of choice :)
[09:39] <danfish> early matches though, so beer for breakfast
[09:39] <danfish> BEEEEEEEEEEEEER :D
[09:39] <MooDoo> :D
[09:41]  * popey hugs ali1234
[09:41]  * popey is riding ali1234's train track
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: Minecraft?
[09:42] <czajkowski> danfish: tons of time to find a ub we cna reserve a space !
[09:42] <popey> ya
[09:42] <czajkowski> last pub was grand and all but space would be idea
[09:42] <czajkowski> l
[09:46] <danfish> czajkowski: plenty on time for theopensourcerer to get a licence to serve booze and set up a pub in his back garden ;)
[09:47] <gord> gmail takes longer to load than evolution!
[09:47] <bigcalm> gmail crashes less than evolution!
[09:47] <gord> and makes firefox throw up an unresponsive script thing. why must all email clients suck? :(
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> a lot less
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> gord: It's rule #1 of the internet
[09:48] <czajkowski> :F
[09:48] <czajkowski> :D
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> gord: (from the same list as #34)
[09:48] <gord> haven't seen evolution crash in a long time
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> gord: going catatonic == crash
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> It might not technically be a crash if it stays running in an infinite loop/wait
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> But it's dead to me :)
[09:50] <gord> use imap+
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> gord: Sorry, employer uses Exchange
[09:57] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[09:59] <brobostigon> for everyone who wanted to try gnome3, from the gnome3-teams ppa, gnome-session 3.0.1, is inthere, and is fixed, to start other things from gdm, than only gnome-shell.
[10:02] <popey> still breaks unity though, doesn't it?
[10:02] <bigcalm> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2237#comic
[10:02] <brobostigon> nope, unity started fine.
[10:05] <JamesTait> Hi hi, happy Friday! :)
[10:06] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait :)
[10:37] <brobostigon> vps suggestions?
[10:37] <popey> bitfolk
[10:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i use memset, people use linode or bitfolk
[10:37]  * gord sings the i hate google docs song
[10:37] <brobostigon> thank you chaps,
[10:37] <gord> its the worst thing in the world
[10:38] <dogmatic69> gord: it could be worse, you could be singing the i hate m$ office song
[10:39] <gord> eh at least ms office sort of works, google docs just plain sucks
[10:40] <brobostigon> bitfolk do debian sid on their vps's as an option, interesting choice.
[10:40] <popey> brobostigon: they have an irc channel, #bitfolk on irc.lug.org.uk
[10:41] <Myrtti> the best advice I can give you is "don't use anything free as in gratis"
[10:41] <popey> drop by and say hi to grifferz
[10:41] <popey> he can answer your questions
[10:41] <brobostigon> popey: ah, intersting, will do, thank you.
[10:41] <Myrtti> my problems with any hosting provider has always started when I've not paid for the service
[10:41] <Myrtti> and thus can't expect any service
[10:43] <bigcalm> Yesterday I prompted a client to have 10.04 LTS installed on their new VM with Bytemark. #doingMyBit
[10:45] <bigcalm> Remind me how to change the default editor for the CLI?
[10:51] <brobostigon> bitfolk looks like it will will do the job. good price aswell.
[10:52] <popey> :)
[10:52] <MooDoo> brobostigon: they are very good, i just wanted cpanel on my box
[10:52] <brobostigon> MooDoo: ah, ok.
[10:52] <popey> if you mention my name if/when you sign up, then i get a bonus, which I donate to debian
[10:52] <brobostigon> ah, thats ok.
[10:53] <gord> much of a bonus?
[10:53] <popey> well, I've referred a bunch of people, and the DPL dropped me a mail to say thanks :)
[10:53] <popey> so probably not huge amounts, but a bit
[10:54] <brobostigon> and ipv6.
[10:58] <gord> ah, thats nice
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod hello
[11:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: pokes
[11:04] <davmor2> Yay! hugs czajkowski
[11:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you better enough to be poked again?
[11:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: only on good days
[11:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah!
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: you need to watch her twitter feed to find out which it is :)
[11:14]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[11:14] <czajkowski> davmor2: thanks :)
[11:14] <MooDoo> heh
[11:14] <MooDoo> ok
[11:14] <davmor2> no probs
[11:30] <JamesTait> Can anyone remember what the query parameter is to tell URL shortening sites to display a "preview" page telling you what URL you're about to visit?
[11:34] <czajkowski> ivanka: thanks for replying to my mails so fast! clears up my inbox swiftly! :)
[11:37] <bigcalm> JamesTait: offten adding a + to the end of the url will do that
[11:37] <bigcalm> I should add that feature to my own URL shortener at some point :S
[11:37] <JamesTait> bigcalm: That's the one - I just found it on Google, thanks. :)
[11:39] <bigcalm> Ok
[11:45] <oimon> at what point did memory management by linux applications become so bad that 4gb isn't enough RAM for some basic apps like email/internet/office?
[11:46] <dogmatic69> oimon: my machine never makes it past ~2gigs
[11:46] <oimon> dogmatic69: how often do you reboot?
[11:47] <dogmatic69> 10:46:31 up 7 days, 22:52,  3 users,  load average: 0.37, 0.33, 0.32
[11:47] <davmor2> oimon: it is here but then I shut down each night
[11:47] <dogmatic69> chrome + ff ~50 tabs xchat, netbeans, ~10 terminals connected to 6 servers
[11:48] <oimon> i have memory probs on most of my apps
[11:48] <dogmatic69> skype dropbox music etc
[11:48] <oimon> i'm on lucid
[11:48] <dogmatic69> 10.10 32bit for me
[11:49] <oimon> thunderbird/chromium/pidgin/hotot/openoffice/evince - killing my machine - each morning i have a 2gb swap in use and 60-80% RAM used
[11:51] <davmor2> oimon: thunderbird in lucid had a memory leak, pidgin also iirc,  open office if left open uses more ram as it keeps saving automagically .
[11:51] <oimon> also hotot and chromium eat RAM
[11:51] <oimon> it didn't used to be like this
[11:52] <davmor2> oimon: Banshee is my biggest memory killer
[11:53] <oimon> i get that too, although disabling useless plugins helps
[12:15] <reaper4334> Hi
[12:15] <brobostigon> afternoonings reaper4334
[12:15] <reaper4334> how is everyone?
[12:16] <MooDoo> good here
[12:16] <brobostigon> **** really, not so hot.
[12:17] <Adriannom> hm...  what would my BASE_SERVER_VHOST be? :s
[12:18] <Adriannom> the full hostname of the vps maybe?
[12:23] <czajkowski> ok something is up with vlc
[12:23] <czajkowski> it plays most of my movies
[12:23] <czajkowski> the stops
[12:23] <czajkowski> but continues juming but no sound
[12:23] <czajkowski> *jumping
[12:23] <czajkowski> so have to hard reboot then as all machine locks up
[12:24] <oimon> i had a similar problem 2 days ago on my desktop pc - machine hard froze during vlc playback, needed to give it the finger
[12:29] <oimon> http://www.talktalk.co.uk/ << LOL
[12:33] <wintellect> Anyone tried the new nVidia driver which was released on 20/4 ? (270.x.x)
[12:33] <popey> !info nvidia-current
[12:33] <popey> ooo
[12:33] <popey> wintellect: I haven't, is it any good?
[12:37] <popey> wintellect: seems I'm using it on natty
[12:37] <popey> its rubbish
[12:48] <wintellect> popey: lubotu3 reported the 260.x.x version
[12:49] <wintellect> the latest is 270.x.x - released about 15 days ago or so
[12:49] <popey> i have 270 here
[12:54] <davmor2> wintellect: 270.41.06-0ubuntu1
[12:55] <davmor2> popey: so how is your 30 meg connection and do you get limited to 5 meg if you download more iso in peak hours?
[12:56] <DeathSling> anyone here work with vmbuilder?
[12:57] <popey> davmor2: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1284032579.png
[12:57] <kazade> envy
[12:57] <kazade> I'm on ADSL about a million miles from an exchange :/
[12:57] <popey> heh
[12:57] <kazade> carrier pigeon is probably quicker
[12:59]  * popey ponders slapping a 3rd 2TB disk in his server and migrate from RAID1 to RAID5
[13:00]  * kazade ponders piggybacking popey's wifi
[13:00] <kazade> heh, not worth the travel though :p
[13:01] <kazade> right, off to see the Colonel about some fried chicken
[13:01] <oimon> mmmmmm
[13:01] <dogmatic69> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1284037138.png
[13:02] <dogmatic69> not bad :)
[13:03] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: gimme a few minutes ;)
[13:03] <dogmatic69> lol
[13:04] <davmor2> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1284039857.png
[13:04] <bigcalm> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1284040221.png
[13:04] <AlanBell> gah, I have to install flash on this server to beat you
[13:05] <popey> haha
[13:05] <dogmatic69> popey's in front, im 2nd :P
[13:05] <popey> oh, it's like that is it
[13:05] <davmor2> meh I can't wait till june 6 at 3pm when my reliability issue disappear supposedly
[13:05] <dogmatic69> davmor2: bigcalm: your 19.99 is no match for my supreme 20.05
[13:05] <reaper4334> my download speed's depressing compared to most of those http://www.speedtest.net/result/1284041377.png
[13:06] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:06] <davmor2> dogmatic69: that's a good speed for me I'll do it again this afernoon and watch it drop into the pits of hell
[13:06] <dogmatic69> hehe
[13:07] <Apacheuk> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1283793563.png he he :)
[13:07] <dogmatic69> davmor2: mine will go up when every stops leaching it with work stuff
[13:07] <bigcalm> Yep, VirginMedia do that to us
[13:07] <bigcalm> Apacheuk: in a datacentre?
[13:08] <dogmatic69> Apacheuk: bt? why so fast
[13:08] <Apacheuk> nope, at home.... btinfinity
[13:08] <reaper4334> wow!
[13:08] <dogmatic69> :/
[13:08]  * dogmatic69 wants bt  ∞
[13:08] <bigcalm> BT Infinity won't be coming here as it's already a cabeled area
[13:08] <Apacheuk> love the upload, makes backing up a lot quicker
[13:09] <AlanBell> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1284044303.png
[13:09] <dogmatic69> bah
[13:09]  * bigcalm kippers AlanBell
[13:09] <popey> heh
[13:09] <exobuzz> there is bt infinity here, but when they launched they had 300gb/month ,limits combined upstream/down which wouldnt be enough. however i believe they just removed that
[13:09] <exobuzz> was going to wait to see what the 100mbit virgin offer looked like
[13:09] <Apacheuk> AlanBell: I think you win!
[13:09] <exobuzz> (mostly concerned about decent upstream)
[13:10] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: where you get that?
[13:10] <bigcalm> Denmark by the looks of it
[13:10] <AlanBell> one of our servers
[13:10] <AlanBell> germany
[13:10]  * dogmatic69 wants 70Mb/s upload
[13:10] <dogmatic69> oh
[13:10] <dogmatic69> :|
[13:10] <bigcalm> Doh, I always forget .de isn't denmark
[13:11] <exobuzz> 100mbit would suit me fine
[13:11] <AlanBell> it is a core i7 980 extreme running KVM, that is one of the VMs running Natty
[13:11] <exobuzz> both ways
[13:11] <AlanBell> it is in fact mumble.libertus.co.uk
[13:12] <dogmatic69> 404
[13:12] <AlanBell> yeah, not much of a web server there
[13:12] <dogmatic69> ah
[13:12] <AlanBell> not a 404 though, no web server on port 80
[13:13] <dogmatic69> chrome complaining ~= 404 :P
[13:13] <AlanBell> (there is interesting stuff on port 3000 and port 59125 for the curious)
[13:14] <andylockran> heya all
[13:15] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[13:15] <reaper4334> AlanBell: that speech synthesis client is pretty cool
[13:15] <AlanBell> reaper4334: yeah, and I got it working with speech dispatcher so you can integrate it with the desktop
[13:15] <AlanBell> works with orca
[13:16] <andylockran> popey: you well?
[13:16] <bigcalm> AlanBell: that screams for a minecraft server
[13:16] <AlanBell> I want to pop something together that listens on dbus for libnotify stuff and throws it at speech dispatcher
[13:16] <AlanBell> so all the little notify popups get read out loud
[13:16] <reaper4334> that'd be pretty cool
[13:16] <reaper4334> useful too
[13:17] <popey> yup yup
[13:17] <andylockran> that makes me happy :)
[13:19] <X3N> AlanBell: doesn't that happen already?
[13:19] <X3N> with the accessibility stuff
[13:23] <AlanBell> X3N: if you are running orca it can read notifications
[13:23] <AlanBell> but that needs at-spi on by default which it isn't
[13:24] <AlanBell> and lots of people would not want to run orca all the time
[13:24] <X3N> oh right, this isn't for accessibility reasons?
[13:24] <AlanBell> not directly
[13:25] <AlanBell> but I have a general objective of getting accessibility tools in more mainstream use
[13:25] <AlanBell> to get more eyeballs on them and more developers
[13:25] <X3N> it should be pretty quick to write anyway :)
[13:25] <AlanBell> yes
[13:25] <X3N> you could even do it in a bash script heh
[13:25] <AlanBell> really?
[13:26] <AlanBell> how would you listen for notifications via a script?
[13:26] <AlanBell> speaking is easy, just spd-say "hello world"
[13:26] <exobuzz> some accessibility tools are incredibly useful. like simulate second click - for example on touchscreens
[13:27] <AlanBell> yup
[13:27] <AlanBell> and an on screen keyboard with a touch screen
[13:28] <X3N> something like, dbus-monitor "type='signal',sender='org.freedesktop.Notifications',interface='org.freedesktop.Notification'"
[13:28] <AlanBell> ooooh
[13:28] <X3N> though, i'm not sure if there is actually a signal for notifications
[13:28] <exobuzz> AlanBell, the best onscreenkeyboard ive used so far is "florence"
[13:28] <X3N> you can use d-feet to inspect what you have in dbus
[13:28] <exobuzz> certainly its way more usable than the ubuntu default
[13:28] <exobuzz> not tried the new meego one though
[13:29] <AlanBell> there is this https://launchpad.net/libnotify-speech-dispatcher
[13:29] <AlanBell> but a simpler bash or python based thing would be cool
[13:29] <X3N> yeah
[13:30] <AlanBell> exobuzz: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[13:30] <AlanBell> I did some themeing of onboard which should get into natty at some point
[13:31] <exobuzz> the theming looks much better. but the keyboard doesnt type as well as florence. in terms of responsiveness and speed
[13:31] <popey> AlanBell: that guide needs updating
[13:31] <popey> there is a new version of the virtualbox extensions, the ones in the repo are outdated
[13:32] <X3N> hmm that's not very nice, the libnotify-speech-dispatcher has to eves drop on messages going to the notify daemon
[13:32] <exobuzz> AlanBell, http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/images/ubuntulinux3.png try florence out . would be nice to have it as the default in ubuntu
[13:32] <popey> yeah, i like florence
[13:33] <oimon> what's the smiley key?
[13:33] <exobuzz> windows key i guess
[13:33] <popey> 'super' key
[13:33] <oimon> sorry but it looks naff
[13:33] <exobuzz> yeh sorry super key
[13:33] <popey> what does?
[13:33] <exobuzz> its skinnable/themable..
[13:33] <exobuzz> this is a simple transparent look
[13:33] <oimon> the smiley key..the rest is good
[13:34] <popey> hah
[13:34] <popey> you might want to actually consider using it
[13:34] <exobuzz> yeh
[13:34] <exobuzz> heh
[13:34] <popey> which is far more important than the look of one single key
[13:34] <exobuzz> it's packaged for natty so easy to install now
[13:35] <popey> oh nice
[13:35] <bigcalm> Wah!
[13:36] <oimon> i'm not suggesting i wouldn't not use it because of the naff smiley key
[13:36] <X3N> did anyone see media-explorer released? would be interested in any comments/feedback
[13:36] <oimon> how many negatives in that sentence?
[13:36] <bigcalm> Absolute80s player cut off half way through David Bowie's Lets Dance :(
[13:36] <oimon> too many :P the smiley key wouldn't stop me using it
[13:37] <oimon> i wonder how much truth there is in the story that apple might soon start moving to ARM laptops?
[13:37] <exobuzz> oimon, better for you ? http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=217749&ssid=77232
[13:38] <exobuzz> :)
[13:46] <bigcalm> Selecting in the source view of FireFox 4 is broken on Windows. Is this also true to Linux users? (I don't have a linux desktop to hand)
[13:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: I can view source if that is what you mean
[13:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: can you select anything though?
[13:49] <bigcalm> With ctal +a
[13:49] <bigcalm> Or the edit menu
[13:49] <bigcalm> Using the mouse still works for me
[13:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yeap
[13:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: with mouse and ctrl+a
[13:50] <Azelphur> yay, my inspiron duo came naked no OS :D
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> hmm naked computers
[13:52] <bigcalm> davmor2: Good, just my machine or windows then :)
[13:58] <oimon> Azelphur: and no windows tax paid?
[13:58] <Azelphur> oimon: yep.
[13:58] <oimon> nice
[13:58] <Azelphur> he just knows to send me osless machines now haha
[13:58] <oimon> i'm about to buy 35 PCs and will save > £1k in win tax
[13:58] <Azelphur> he knows I'm a linux nut and that it's entirely pointless :D
[13:59] <Azelphur> haha
[13:59] <oimon> i have to jump through hoops tho
[14:01] <Azelphur> oimon: me and my brother always buy from this one place up in London, they hook us up with cheap prices and do things for us out of the way :D
[14:01] <oimon> not dell direct?
[14:02] <Azelphur> oimon: nah, he's a dell outlet guy
[14:02] <Azelphur> he gets all the refurbs in and fixes em up
[14:04] <oimon> ok - i have bought direct from dell outlet for home PCs before
[14:05] <oimon> you get great deals..surprised to see a duo already in there!
[14:05] <Azelphur> omg downloading ubuntu natty iso at 1.3MB/sec :D
[14:05] <Azelphur> fastest by far my internets ever gone
[14:05] <Azelphur> oimon: yea, he went out of the way to get some for me :p
[14:06] <Azelphur> me, my brother and his girlfriend combined have probably spent 10k+ there over the years though
[14:06] <Azelphur> so we get special treatment xD
[14:08] <oimon> i'd be interested to hear your experiences on the duo
[14:08] <oimon> about to buy a thinkpad tablet for a user, but cost 3x greater
[14:10] <Azelphur> oimon: will do :p
[14:19]  * awilkins is supposed to get 10Mb/s but it tends to tail off at peak times now... fricking 'torrenters  *slap*
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Don't blame torrenters, blame buffer bloat:
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bufferbloat.net
[14:22] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Bufferbloat affects latency, no? Don't see how any amount of extra ping time cuts my bandwidth down to a fifth of what it should be.
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: bandwidth != speed
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: bandwidth = speed * latency
[14:28]  * awilkins is reading the "parking lot" metaphor
[14:41] <andylockran> ;)
[14:47] <X3N> arguing for patches upstream is more work than writing the actual code :\
[14:47]  * awilkins can relate to that
[14:47] <Laney> do enough non-controversial changes
[14:47] <Laney> get commit access
[14:48] <Laney> commit your dubious patch
[14:48] <Laney> win!
[14:48] <X3N> haha
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> unless Linus merges
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> then you get a flamewar
[14:48] <awilkins> Sounds like a great arcade game
[14:48] <awilkins> "Linus Merges! FIGHT!"
[14:49] <X3N> haha, then you have to fight using git commands
[14:50] <awilkins> "Linus rewrites your history! You cease to exist!"
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> "You rebase. Linus gets angry."
[14:52] <Azelphur> "Linus firewalls you, it's super effective!"
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: killfiles
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> mailing lists don't care about firewalls :)
[14:52] <Azelphur> :p
[14:53] <awilkins> <Scary boss music>   Microsoft files a patent suit!
[14:53] <Azelphur> oh noes!
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> Google countersues
[14:53] <Azelphur> FSF Lawyer, I CHOOSE YOU!
[15:09] <Azelphur> oimon: I'm starting to think Ubuntu on the inspiron duo is gonna be fun :)
[15:09] <Azelphur> Ubuntu natty beta I had downloaded, compiz crashes and the installer doesn't load
[15:09] <oimon> that's normal though Azelphur
[15:09] <Azelphur> Downloaded alternate and it bleets about the installer encountering an error when I try and install ubuntu desktop \o/
[15:10] <oimon> compiz was unstable until about beta2
[15:10] <Azelphur> fair enough :p
[15:15] <Azelphur> managed to get through the alternate install :p
[15:16] <Azelphur> I don't seem to be getting a lot in the way of...anything though
[15:16] <gord> google docs is the only office software i have ever used where i have to take breaks from typing to let the text catch up...
[15:16] <Azelphur> yea, black screen lol
[15:17] <gord> kinda weird typing on my netbook from a table. feel like i need to be laying out on my bed with my netbook in some weird position
[15:17] <oimon> gord: microsoft office 365 is bound to be worse
[15:18] <awilkins> gord, Yeah, even my old Epson PX-8 could keep up with my typing (Z80 processor)
[15:19] <awilkins> It incidentally had the nicest laptop keyboard I've ever used. A shame the Nicad battery pack developed seriously heavy memory.
[15:20] <awilkins> I used to connect it to my Amiga 500 via a null modem cable and type on it rather than use the Amiga keyboard
[15:20] <Azelphur> attempt 2 on the install, I'll let it have networking this time and make sure to get openssh installed :p
[15:20] <oimon> using the release version this time?
[15:21] <Azelphur> oimon: I used a release version last time and got black screen
[15:21] <Azelphur> \o/
[15:21] <Azelphur> and failed to install ubuntu-desktop
[15:21] <awilkins> You could make a zsync up-to-date version of the alternate CD with all the patches in
[15:21] <Azelphur> if I can just get it installed and get ssh I can run an upgrade
[15:21] <awilkins> Or jidgo or whatever works
[15:21] <Azelphur> hopefully that'll make everything work
[15:22] <awilkins> Yes, I always like that about Gentoo - always had ssh on by default
[15:22] <Azelphur> I have the alternate install so I can install it by default
[15:38] <oimon> thunderbird is becoming like outlook...fortunately we don't run it as root like windows users: http://lwn.net/Articles/441650/
[15:39]  * popey gives AlanBell a http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/mark/errord/050611/bitterremarks.JPG
[15:39] <AlanBell> heh
[15:39] <AlanBell> that would be a thread 31 entries deep I think
[15:42] <oimon> "Prince Harry 'warned off Pippa Middleton' "  ..because that wouldn't be at all weird..not at all...
[15:43] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:43] <pippa> he's not my type anyway ;o)
[15:44] <popey> lol
[15:44] <oimon> you mean he's a windows user?
[15:44] <popey> he looks more like a xbox user
[15:46] <AlanBell> does that mean someone warned him off, or he warned Pippa off?
[15:46] <Azelphur> oimon: yay, got ssh on the black screen :D
[15:47] <Azelphur> installing ubuntu-desktop now xD
[15:47] <oimon> a friend of friend of a facebook friend of an acquaintance said something to a newspaper so they could print pictures of the bridesmaids bum
[15:47] <oimon> btw how can i explain this? we had 2 power cuts this morning affecting the whole area. one of the user's mac mini's still has a 25 day uptime :S
[15:47] <oimon> no UPS
[15:48] <Azelphur> how long was the cuts?
[15:50] <oimon> quick
[15:50] <oimon> but all our machines went down
[15:50] <oimon> the non UPS'd ones
[15:52] <Azelphur> oimon: sometimes some stuff can go off but some stuff can survive through it
[15:52] <oimon> 200-odd machines, all went down except for 4 mac mini's
[15:52] <Azelphur> I remember once I had a power cut and all my monitors went off but my PC went off
[15:52] <Azelphur> sorry my PC stayed on*
[15:53] <X3N> oimon: maybe there is enough residual power in the mac mini's power block to keep it running
[15:53] <oimon> seems to be the case
[15:53] <X3N> oimon: where abouts were the power cuts?
[15:53] <oimon> ah, it has a laptop type power block?
[15:53] <oimon> E1
[15:53] <X3N> yeah
[15:54] <oimon> i was beginning to suspect voodo
[15:54] <oimon> o
[15:56] <brobostigon> how much data would everyone say, would be used, running just irssi, on something like a vps, monthly?
[15:56] <X3N> oimon: not far from me, i'm just outside aldgate :)
[15:56] <popey> very little
[15:56] <popey> less than any package you could buy
[15:56] <oimon> x3n..only 1/2 to 1 mile away then
[15:57] <brobostigon> popey: umm, little  vague, but a good anwser, thank you.
[15:58] <X3N> no power cuts here anyway
[15:58] <popey> brobostigon: its text, it takes next to no bandwidth at all
[15:58] <gord> brobostigon, look at how big your log files are :)
[15:58] <brobostigon> popey: very true, yes.
[15:58] <brobostigon> gord: good thinking, :)
[16:02] <brobostigon> 4.1 MB, inthree days. roughly, soyes,not much.
[16:04] <popey> indeed
[16:29] <Azelphur> hmm
[16:30] <Azelphur> The disc drive for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 is not ready yet or not present
[16:30] <Azelphur> oh, now that error disappeared and it booted \o/
[16:31] <Azelphur> woa, black screen of death
[16:31]  * MartijnVdS pokes at unity2d some more
[16:31] <oimon> my desktop PC isn't showing usb sticks that aren't inserted at boot :(
[16:31] <Azelphur> I just got a real, legit BSoD
[16:31] <Azelphur> that never happens :o
[16:32] <Azelphur> with a kernel backtrace and everything
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> Mine shows ISO images I've made USB sticks out of
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> and they're unremoveable
[16:32] <oimon> Azelphur: nvidia drivers?
[16:32] <Azelphur> oimon: nope, on my netbook
[16:33] <Azelphur> and first boot with GUI so stock everything
[16:33] <oimon> is it a nvidia card tho?
[16:33] <Azelphur> no, intel
[16:33] <oimon> hmmm comments never get to the bottom of my problem http://tips4linux.com/usb-devices-not-mounting-in-lucid-heres-a-fix/
[16:34] <Azelphur> got it booted into a GUI though, getting on wifi and doing an upgrade :P
[16:34] <Azelphur> touch pad is insanely sensative
[16:34] <Azelphur> I like it :)
[16:36] <Azelphur> touch screen doesn't work ootb
[16:36] <oimon> yeah i was expecting that
[16:38] <oimon> Azelphur: there's info at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1658635 relating to meerkat
[16:39] <Azelphur> fun fun xD
[16:39] <Azelphur> aww, no multi touch
[16:45] <oimon> http://plippo.de/touchscreen-tools might be helpful for you
[16:46] <Azelphur> oimon: fun
[16:46] <Azelphur> the fix on that thread doesn't seem to work in 11.04 :(
[16:46] <oimon> the pain of being an early adopter means no multi touch yet
[16:47] <Azelphur> indeed
[16:47] <Azelphur> early adopting is fun though
[16:57] <oimon> Azelphur: you become the guy that writes the help wiki then :P
[16:58] <Azelphur> knowing my luck :p
[17:12] <X3N> that's a bit sexist
[17:12] <X3N> s/a bit//
[17:38] <Azelphur> epic win, plugging or unplugging my inspiron duo on natty = kernel panic
[17:39] <Azelphur> how do I get debug info for a kernel panic so I can file a bug ?
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: best way? Serial line
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: or a screenshot (camera?)
[17:40] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: the data goes off the top of the screen
[17:40] <Azelphur> but I can take a photo I guess
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: even if you set a very huge resolution?
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (assuming you have a KMS-capable graphics chip)
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you could try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole
[17:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I've never seen a kernel panic before, but I assume this is one? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110506_173809.jpg
[17:45] <Azelphur> as soon as I unplug or replug X dies and that appears
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that might be enough, but you might need more
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> also.. turn off camera flash :)
[17:47] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: funny enough, the one with camera flash came out better than the other 4 photos I took of it
[17:47] <Azelphur> the no flash ones came out blurry
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> tripod \o/
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> (or open a curtain)
[17:48] <Azelphur> opening a curtain gets reflections
[17:48] <Azelphur> lol
[17:50]  * Azelphur works on netconsole
[17:51] <popey> blurry is because you're too close or not still
[17:51] <popey> pull back until its not blurry then zoom in
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> not still, I guess -- less light = longer shutter time
[17:52] <Azelphur> popey: I think the camera has autofocus, it just can't autofocus in the dark
[17:52] <Azelphur> but yea I can do netconsole in theory so that'll get me better info
[17:52] <popey> so make it not dark?
[17:52] <popey> its 17:52 not 01:00
[17:52] <popey> :)
[17:53] <Azelphur> pfft
[17:56] <andylockran> :)
[18:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK - Bye all - Off to cricket with the kids then pub.
[18:02] <brobostigon> bye TheOpenSourcerer o/
[18:13] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: FATAL: Error inserting netconsole (/lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/net/netconsole.ko): Unknown error 524
[18:13] <Azelphur> yay.
[18:14] <DJones> I wonder whether this will change the direction of Canonical/Ubuntu in any way http://blog.canonical.com/?p=566
[18:34] <popey> Azelphur: http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2009/08/05/using-the-linux-netconsole-service-to-send-console-messages-to-remote-hosts/
[18:49] <Azelphur> popey: I noticed that, however I also noticed that my ethernet card doesn't support polling :(
[18:49] <popey> set the kernel boot option to have a very high res kernel terminal resolution, and take a pic ture of it?
[18:50] <Azelphur> popey: good idea, how do I increase the terminal resolution?
[18:51] <Azelphur> I assume it's a grub command line option
[18:51] <popey> does the kernel barf even if you're in recovery mode?
[18:51] <popey> i.e. with no gui running
[18:51] <popey> single user mode
[18:51] <davmor2> gord: you need to fix unity so the interface shows up in share my desktop via empathy, ie remote desktop viewer can see it ;)
[18:51] <Azelphur> popey: I can try it, it probably will though, it happens when I change power states
[18:51] <popey> davmor2: thats almost certainly a compiz issue
[18:51] <popey> Azelphur: I'd be interested to know
[18:51] <Azelphur> it's completely reproducable
[18:51] <Azelphur> ok :)
[18:51] <popey> anyway, boot to recovery mode
[18:51] <davmor2> popey: hence gord needs to fix it :D
[18:51] <popey> and there's an option VGA=ask
[18:52] <popey> it prompts with a list of resolutions
[18:52] <popey> maybe :)
[18:53] <Azelphur> firing up in recovery mode now :p
[18:54] <Azelphur> popey: yes, still panics in recovery
[18:54] <popey> ok, good
[18:54] <Azelphur> also, I noticed the text scrolling, there's quite a large chunk of it
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> "good"
[18:54] <Azelphur> I'm not sure if increasing resolution will help, but I'll try :p
[18:54] <popey> well that means it's not something like gnome-power-manager triggering it
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: higher resolution = more fits on screen (= maybe entire panic)
[18:54] <popey> exactly :)
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> it looks like it's either a buggy acpi table, or a bug in the acpi handler in the kernel
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: are you on the latest BIOS for your hardware?
[18:55] <popey> hehe, bet you have to install windows to install BIOS :)
[18:55] <popey> Azelphur: what exact device model number is this?
[18:55] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: it's a new laptop, dunno if it's the latest
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: My BIOS can read new BIOS images from USB sticks itself :)
[18:55] <popey> check their website?
[18:55] <popey> yeah, my desktop can too
[18:56] <popey> really nice feature
[18:56] <Azelphur> popey: I believe there's only one model of inspiron duo, lemme check the underside :p
[18:56] <popey> also, you could use upstream kernel
[18:56] <popey> see if its an ubuntu patch causing it
[18:57] <Azelphur> yea, just says inspiron duo on the bottom
[18:57] <Azelphur> VGA=ask didn't prompt me
[18:57] <Azelphur> popey: could do, but first I need to get it into a bug report :)
[18:58] <popey> uhm, no, you dont
[18:58] <Azelphur> why not? if it's a bug it needs to be reported/fixed?
[18:58] <Azelphur> Ubuntu doesn't update the kernels so it'd need to be cherry picked
[18:58] <Azelphur> either that or everyone can have crashing duo's till october :p
[18:59] <popey> I'm suggesting using upstream kernel
[18:59] <popey> to see if that works
[18:59] <popey> if it does then thats an ubuntu issue
[18:59] <popey> if it doesn't work then its a kernel issue
[18:59] <Azelphur> oh, the same kernel version?
[18:59] <popey> yes
[18:59] <Azelphur> I see
[18:59] <popey> the kernel ppa has packages for it
[18:59] <Azelphur> could do, but I still wanna get the bug report up
[18:59] <Azelphur> because which ever it is it's beyond me to fix :p
[18:59] <popey> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[19:00] <popey> yeah, I'm trying to help you get the best bug report
[19:00] <Azelphur> just add that ppa and upgrade?
[19:00] <popey> and file it in the right place
[19:00] <popey> no
[19:00] <popey> get the debs and manually install them
[19:00] <jacobw> this could well be a stupid question..
[19:00] <Azelphur> ok ty :D
[19:00] <popey> what kernel are you on now?
[19:00] <jacobw> but can i use a modem in a laptop to hold an adsl connection?
[19:00] <popey> i.e. what does uname -a return?
[19:00] <popey> jacobw: no
[19:01] <jacobw> i thought not :)
[19:01] <popey> jacobw: well, you can buy an internal adsl modem
[19:01] <Azelphur> just booting it up again :p
[19:01] <popey> jacobw: but not a traditional modem
[19:01] <popey> Azelphur: grub menu is sufficient
[19:01] <bigcalm> I'm not sure my dell laptop has a rj11 port at all
[19:02] <popey> my mbp has no modem
[19:02] <Azelphur> popey: 2.6.38-8-generic
[19:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: my hp doesn't
[19:02] <popey> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v<IP_ADDRESS>-natty/
[19:02] <popey> Azelphur: is it 64-bit or 32 bit?
[19:02] <Azelphur> 64
[19:02] <popey> so grab the two amd64 debs and the middle "all" one
[19:02] <bigcalm> Hayley's dell laptop has one though
[19:03] <Azelphur> popey: ok
[19:03] <popey> put them all in a folder and 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb'
[19:05] <bigcalm> I think it might be time to reconfigure my office this weekend. It's sad that I'm excited by this
[19:06] <popey> :)
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "Life, don't talk to me about life"
[19:06] <bigcalm> Heh
[19:06] <bigcalm> Might dial 150
[19:07]  * bigcalm ponders
[19:07] <Azelphur> popey: done, reboot and unplug? :p
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Customer support?
[19:07] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: indeed. I want 30mb cable
[19:08]  * bigcalm wants what popey has
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Now available at popey's
[19:08]  * bigcalm throws a wee tantrum
[19:08] <X3N> it's pub o'clock
[19:08] <Azelphur> My ADSL was doing 1.3MB/sec today
[19:08] <Azelphur> at peak time :)
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> I'm getting 1.6 steady here
[19:09] <Azelphur> popey: yep, still happens on mainline
[19:10] <popey> ok, cool
[19:10] <popey> upstream kernel bug then
[19:11]  * bigcalm eyes VM
[19:11] <bigcalm> You're in a Virgin Media fibre optic cable area, so you can enjoy:
[19:11] <bigcalm> Broadband: Superfast, reliable broadband up to 100Mb
[19:11] <Azelphur> popey: fun, what next?
[19:11] <bigcalm> Do I dare?
[19:11] <bigcalm> 35 quid a month
[19:11] <popey> heh
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: How many pints is that?
[19:12] <popey> Azelphur: get the screen res higher and take photos
[19:12] <Azelphur> popey: how do I get the res higher?
[19:12] <popey> Azelphur: dunno, i would end up googling
[19:13] <popey> Azelphur: what video card does it contain?
[19:13] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: if I were to have something enjoyable, 35 pints http://www.goodfoodoutlet.com/shepherd-neame-spitfire-premium-kentish-ale-500ml-cheapest-in-sainsbury-39-s-today-on-offer-p77204
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> It's probably as high as it gets
[19:13] <Azelphur> I have a feeling that increasing the res won't catch the whole thing anyway, It scrolls a bit when showing it and it's already at a pretty decent res
[19:14] <popey> sure
[19:14] <popey> but more is better
[19:14] <Azelphur> popey: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[19:14] <bigcalm> popey: by going to 30mb, have you restarted your 12 month rolling contract?
[19:14] <popey> no
[19:14] <bigcalm> Good to know
[19:14] <bigcalm> Not that we want to move
[19:14] <popey> Azelphur: I would start building up some debug info about the hardware
[19:15] <popey> to package it up ready to send to the kernel devs
[19:15] <popey> Azelphur: did you give me the model number?
[19:15] <Azelphur> lspci -vnnn ? :p
[19:15] <Azelphur> popey: there's no visible model number, it's just an inspiron duo
[19:15] <popey> ah ok
[19:15] <Azelphur> http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-duo/pd?ST=inspiron%20duo&dgc=ST&cid=41141&lid=1069630&acd=1240474352205656
[19:15] <Azelphur> this thing :p
[19:15] <popey> ta
[19:16] <Azelphur> only I didn't pay anywhere near that for it xD
[19:17] <bigcalm> Oh, that thing
[19:17] <bigcalm> Looks nice. How heavy does the tablet feel?
[19:17] <Azelphur> bigcalm: it's ok :)
[19:17] <davmor2> Azelphur: that's cause the one you had, had a broken touch screen :P
[19:18] <Azelphur> davmor2: lol, that would be funny :P
[19:18] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/40792/whats-the-best-way-to-report-a-kernel-panic-bug
[19:18] <popey> lets see if that works :)
[19:19]  * Azelphur upvotes
[19:20] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild#Reporting Bugs Upstream
[19:20] <popey> there you go
[19:20] <popey> thats some information
[19:20] <popey> i dont think you should file in launchpad, but upstream in kernel bug tracker
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> still link it on launchpad though
[19:21] <bigcalm> Oo, Discovery and Alibi are both in the M tv package. Now I'm not so worried about losing Mates Rates
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> as it's present in Ubuntu, and you want it fixed for oneiric
[19:21] <bigcalm> Lets see what's offered on FreeSat
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> (maybe even in natty)
[19:21] <Azelphur> popey: agree'd :)
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Freesat has lots :)
[19:21]  * MartijnVdS loves your freesat ;)
[19:23] <bigcalm> Hehe
[19:23] <bigcalm> Alibi isn't on freesat :(
[19:24] <DJones> bigcalm: What is broadcast on Alibi? I've heard of it & flicked past it, but never watched it
[19:25] <bigcalm> Castle
[19:25] <bigcalm> That's the only show we watch on Alibi
[19:25] <DJones> Can't say I've heard of that, just looking it up
[19:26] <DJones> Looks interesting
[19:27] <davmor2> Castle, Murdock Mystries, Murder She Wrote, Diagnosis Murder and others
[19:28] <bigcalm> Ah crap, I was looking in the wrong column. Alibi is not in the M tv package. That starts in L
[19:28] <bigcalm> But Discovery is in M
[19:28]  * bigcalm ho-hums
[19:28] <Azelphur> popey: uhh, it just stopped happening lol
[19:28] <bigcalm> We have all of these channels and watch 3 or 4 of them :( http://shop.virginmedia.com/digital-tv/channels.html
[19:28] <Azelphur> I now can't reproduce it
[19:28] <popey> hah
[19:29] <Azelphur> crazyness
[19:29] <popey> fun too
[19:29] <popey> what did the laptop come pre-installed with?
[19:29] <bigcalm> Azelphur: fresh re-install of natty
[19:29] <Azelphur> all I did was change the resolution in grub, I wonder what happens if I change it back xD
[19:32] <popey> is the battery full?
[19:32] <popey> maybe thats why its not triggering any more
[19:32] <Azelphur> nope, it's not, maybe.
[19:32] <Azelphur> triggered it again without the grub resolution change
[19:32] <popey> there are some odd bugs that only occur when the battery is in certain conditions
[19:33] <Azelphur> lemme just test this a few times to make sure I'm not going insane re changing the grub resolution makes it not happen xD
[19:33] <Azelphur> I'll let it charge all the way up too
[20:14] <Hazmaster> \o
[20:15] <popey> lo Hazmaster
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> Hazmaster: playing around with multiple clients again? :)
[20:15] <Hazmaster> MartijnVdS: heh, sort of :)
[20:16] <Hazmaster> popey: lo :)
[20:16] <Hazmaster> MartijnVdS: I'm currently running gnome3 LiveCD
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Hazmaster: and? like it?
[20:16] <Hazmaster> MartijnVdS: I'm not sure... :S
[20:16] <Cepheus> Hazmaster: how is GNOME shell compared to Unity?
[20:17] <brobostigon> evening Hazmaster :)
[20:17] <Hazmaster> Cepheus: Well personally gnome3 has done a lot better than Unity, but there's some things I think Unity just gets right that gnome3 doesn't - its quite frustrating actually :(
[20:17] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: evening :)
[20:18] <Cepheus> I like the minimality of unity, but the mac os x style context menus are an annoyance... as is the complete lack of customisation
[20:19] <popey> Cepheus: that will come
[20:19] <popey> its a first release really
[20:20] <Hazmaster> Cepheus: that's just it, that's one thing that frustrates me about both... and I think Gnome3 is worse for that, its almost impossible to theme it your way
[20:20] <Hazmaster> I do however love the interactive notifications! Fantastic idea!! (Gnome3)
[20:20] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: you can use standard gtk themes, to theme gnome3/gnome-shell.
[20:21] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: oh?
[20:21] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: I've tried looking for something similar to "Change theme" though, and couldn't find one
[20:21] <Cepheus> popey: that's the thing, it feels a little rushed out
[20:21] <Cepheus> like they were under pressure to divulge from the linux distro crown
[20:21] <Cepheus> *crowd
[20:22] <Hazmaster> Cepheus: I wouldn't say that, Gnome3 wasn't frozen yet when 11.04 was in development... so it would have been hard for them to stick with Gnome in all fairness
[20:22] <popey> 11.10 will rock, no doubt
[20:22] <popey> especially as it will have the nice consistency of having Unity 3D and Unity 2D on the CD
[20:23] <Hazmaster> popey: I have no doubt about that, but I really hope that they take the best ideas currently in use, and scrap away the useless stuff
[20:23] <Cepheus> I ran into  the desktop cube bug with unity while messing around with cssm
[20:23] <Cepheus> *ccsm
[20:23] <Cepheus> that'll teach me =p
[20:23] <popey> heh
[20:23] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: let me find it, it is a special tool.
[20:23] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: ah cool
[20:24] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: I might have to install gnome-shell to my 11.04 install, I feel the gnome3 distro (which is technically fedora?) is missing a lot of things
[20:24] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeTweakTool
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> Hazmaster: like apt?
[20:25] <Hazmaster> MartijnVdS: exactly ;)
[20:25] <Hazmaster> MartijnVdS: prefer apt to yum
[20:25] <Cepheus> I've heard rumours that Attachemate layed off the mono team?
[20:25] <Hazmaster> Cepheus: I wonder why :S
[20:25] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: thanks :)
[20:26] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: you're welcome, :)
[20:26] <Cepheus> Hazmaster: I imagine Mono is not very profitable.
[20:26] <Hazmaster> now the question is... how hard is it going to be to install gnome3 to natty
[20:26] <popey> !gnome3
[20:26] <AlanBell> I wouldn't
[20:26] <popey> neither would I
[20:26] <brobostigon> :)
[20:26] <AlanBell> wait a month and install oneiric
[20:26] <brobostigon> i have it working successfully here, without issue now.
[20:27] <popey> and unity 3d?
[20:27] <Hazmaster> AlanBell: You mean oneiric alpha?
[20:27] <brobostigon> last problemwas the gnome-session issue,whichwasixed this morning.
[20:27] <brobostigon> popey: yes.
[20:27] <AlanBell> or pre-alpha
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> oneiric-development
[20:28] <brobostigon> popey: as i said earlier, i tried it, and unity 3d started without complaint.
[20:28] <Hazmaster> i thought you could have multiple desktop environments loaded with much conflict :s shows how much i know
[20:28] <popey> Hazmaster: you can usually
[20:28] <AlanBell> yeah, but gnome3 isn't just a shell
[20:28] <popey> Hazmaster: but this is a ppa with gnome 3 libraries in it, which conflicted with the gnome 2 libs that unity is built on
[20:29] <Cepheus> I imagine GNOME 3 messes with a lot of GNOME 2/Unity stuff like GConf?
[20:29] <popey> brobostigon: if you run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^  does it want to install lots of new stuff?
[20:29] <Hazmaster> s/with/without/*
[20:29] <AlanBell> gnome3 is not the same thing as gnome shell
[20:29] <brobostigon> popey:  iwill try it, i have food coming, let me try after,
[20:30] <Hazmaster> AlanBell: Isn't gnome-shell just the bit that goes on top of gnome3?
[20:31] <Hazmaster> or can gnome-shell just be placed on top of anything?
[20:32] <Cepheus> oh yeah, biggest pet peeve with unity: no application categories
[20:32] <Hazmaster> anyone get chance to check out my first stop-motion video of minecraft btw :)
[20:32] <Cepheus> that is all.
[20:32] <brobostigon> popey:   branding-ubuntu libreoffice-style-human linux-headers-2.6.38-9-generic linux-headers-generic
[20:32] <Hazmaster> I plan to do more if people are interested in seeing more
[20:32] <brobostigon> popey: those are the new packages it tried to install.
[20:33] <Hazmaster> Cepheus: my biggest pet peeve with both is the fact that its more of a chore to access your own folders >_<
[20:33] <popey> Cepheus: yes there are
[20:34] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: dont you just open nautilus like normal ?
[20:34] <popey> Cepheus: right click applications in the launcher
[20:34] <Hazmaster> i always click "Places->Home" is how i normally start it
[20:34] <popey> Super+f
[20:34] <popey> :)
[20:35] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: i have just stuck nautilus in the launcher, seemed simplest.
[20:35] <popey> its already in the launcher
[20:35] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: I guess ^_^
[20:35] <popey> its the first thing, so Super+1
[20:35] <Cepheus> popey: oh zing
[20:35] <brobostigon> popey: it wasnt there as standard, i had to add it.
[20:35] <popey> it is
[20:35] <Cepheus> not very intuitive though
[20:35] <popey> it might not have been if you upgraded from alpha/beta times
[20:36] <brobostigon> popey: this is in gnome-shell, it wasnt there, when i first started it.
[20:36] <popey> ah, sorry, thought you were talking about unity
[20:36] <brobostigon> popey: i upgraded at last alpha.
[20:36] <popey> I haven't even tried gnome 3
[20:36] <Hazmaster> popey: ah that might make more sense, but if you think about it - most people will probably be upgrading then installing from fresh
[20:36] <brobostigon> no worries.
[20:36] <popey> probably wont bother
[20:37] <brobostigon> popey: it isnt for everyone, and if it isnt for you, that is ok.
[20:37] <popey> its not that
[20:37] <Hazmaster> popey: I'd recommend at least trying the LiveCD of Gnome3 :)
[20:37] <popey> i just have no need to use another desktop
[20:37] <popey> i already run 4 different desktop environments, one more wont benefit me much
[20:38] <brobostigon> popey: i had no choice, unity just simply didnt work for me, day to day, so this was simply one of the only  other options.
[20:40] <brobostigon> popey: 4 other ones, may i askwhich ?please.
[20:41] <popey> windows xp, osx, gnome classic, unity
[20:41] <popey> well, five then
[20:41] <popey> windows xp, osx, gnome classic, unity 3d, unity 2d
[20:41] <brobostigon> wow. all on one singlemachine?
[20:41] <brobostigon> gnome2 ?
[20:42] <brobostigon> umm,
[20:42] <brobostigon> scrub that.
[20:43] <Hazmaster> oooooo interactive alt+tab!
[20:43] <Hazmaster> like it!
[20:43] <brobostigon> on thatone, i have haiku-os, and then ubuntu with gnome3 + gnome-shell unity-3d and unity-2d
[20:43] <popey> no, not one single machine
[20:43] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: hve you noticed how the alt-tab sorts by workspace.
[20:44] <brobostigon> ok.
[20:44] <popey> there are four machines on my desk
[20:44] <brobostigon> :)
[20:44] <popey> laptop running unity 3d, laptop running xp, laptop running osx, desktop running 10.04 LTS so gnome 2
[20:44] <brobostigon> wow.
[20:45] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: I did!
[20:45] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: it makes alot sense, especially as i sort by workspace,
[20:45] <Hazmaster> it does
[20:46] <Hazmaster> i was meaning the interactive alt+tab in the sense that it groups things and you can use the arrow keys, I reall like that :)
[20:46] <Hazmaster> really*
[20:47] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: like when an app has more thanone window, and being able to choose the different windows from within the alt-tab.
[20:47] <Hazmaster> the only thing i find wierd is the fact that you can't minizise things
[20:47] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: yeah that :)
[20:47] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: thats pretty cool
[20:47] <Hazmaster> :3
[20:48] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: as i have said before, why have a minmise, when you order your windows properly, and you have nothing to minimise to?
[20:49] <Hazmaster> although, i keep expecting my laptop to make random pop noises when I press alt+tab though - I think its just because it looks very similar to the shape and colours of that of OSX
[20:49] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: this is true
[20:49] <brobostigon> ok, i havent tried mac os x in years, so i cant compare.
[20:49] <Hazmaster> brobostigon: didn't understand what you meant when you were talking about it a few months back
[20:49] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: it makes  sense when you think about it.
[20:49] <Hazmaster> well yeah :)
[20:50] <jacobw> i like gnome2, its stable :|
[20:50] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: but i think, as you said, you need to try it, for it to make more sense.
[20:50] <Hazmaster> I wonder if you can force each application to open up in its own workspace... that would be pretty neat if you could :)
[20:50] <brobostigon> jacobw: i have gnome3 very stable and welltested up to now.
[20:51] <brobostigon> Hazmaster: no idea, interesting idea. yes.
[20:51] <Hazmaster> i must say, i'm so glad someone has finally realise that the desktop needs be nothing more than a pretty picture though
[20:51] <brobostigon> i have found*
[20:59] <SimonDBull> Hi
[21:00] <Seeker`> hi
[21:01] <sdh> hello
[21:01] <SimonDBull> the software sources could not be located from the upgrade (using upgrade manager) to Ubuntu 11.04...could you help please, i know it's a tad vauge
[21:01] <sdh> on natty, my /var/log/messages is empty - is this normal?
[21:03] <sdh> it seems to be the case
[21:03] <sdh> but would be nice to confirm
[21:03] <Azelphur> popey: the askubuntu question got an answer :)
[21:04] <sdh> got it
[21:04] <Hazmaster> :( something broke Kega :(
[21:04] <Hazmaster> its running hellish :(
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> Kega?
[21:05] <Hazmaster> MartijnVdS: yeah, its a multi-sega emu
[21:06] <Hazmaster> (doesn't want to go out and drag out the megadrive, easier just to emulate it)
[21:06] <jacobw> SimonDBull: pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:06] <jacobw> !paste
[21:06] <Azelphur> popey: also it does happen at full charge, however I am starting to notice it's intermittent, sometimes it'll be ok, the majory of times it won't be.
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> woo acpi
[21:07] <Cepheus> I can't find my mega drive anymore
[21:08] <Cepheus> i think it was disposed of
[21:10] <SimonDBull> jacobw: Thanks very much - i shall do that :)
[21:17] <Hazmaster> Cepheus: that sucks
[21:17] <Hazmaster> i wonder what broke kega to be so slow :/
[21:17] <Cepheus> Hazmaster: I know. it makes me sad :(
[21:17] <Hazmaster> and QtSixA is being even funnier to connect my controller up :/
[21:24] <Cepheus> i haven't used bluetooth on linux since the days of KDE 3.5, what's it like these days? pretty much the same?
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> bluetooth on ubuntu works out of the box
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> bluetooth audio works great
[21:27] <AlanBell> anyone like pulseaudio issues? http://paste.ubuntu.com/604222/
[21:28] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Bluetooth still seems a bit flakey, Mine is only enabled whenever I do a warm reboot and so far, I've not been able to pair any device to my laptop
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Mine toggles on/off with the switch on my laptop
[21:37] <DJones> MartijnVdS: I don't seem to be able to detect any bl;uetooth devices and other devices don't find the laptop
[21:43] <Hazmaster> DJones: how odd, I've used bluetooth on both my laptop (built-in) and on my desktop (via usb dongle) and both seem to work great - most of the time. The PS3 controller seems to be a bit flakey, but i think thats more to do with the fact that it uses its own stacking methods to do the handshakes and stuff.
[21:45] <DJones> happening
[21:45] <DJones> Hazmaster: It works via Win 7, but can't get anything in Natty, service bluetooth status says "bluetooth is running" just trying to troubleshoot/identify whats happening
[22:12] <Hazmaster> right, think I've messed around in this LiveCD enough for tonight :)
[22:13] <Hazmaster> back to my main machine!
[22:13] <brobostigon> :)
[22:14] <HazRPG> hmm, why do I get the option to suspend, but not shutdown...
[22:14] <brobostigon> HazRPG: hit alt- ,it was one of those weird design decisions.
[22:14] <shauno> try holding alt
[22:15] <HazRPG> yeah, I was trying shift and ctrl... didn't think to try alt
[22:17] <shauno> I've a funny feeling that's another macism badly copied :p
[22:17] <HazRPG> heh
[22:17] <HazRPG> why what does the mac do?
[22:17] <HazRPG> personally I think it's a windows vista thing they've copied there sadly
[22:17] <HazRPG> default install of windows vista had the power icon do a suspect instead of a shutdown
[22:18] <HazRPG> however, at least vista had an arrow you could click on to pull up other options
[22:18] <HazRPG> and change the setting altogether
[22:18] <hamitron> !radeon
[22:19] <shauno> osx will change menu items slightly based on modifier keys.  that's the only place I'd seen it done previously
[22:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: You know that "Treble Spankers - 'Araban'" video you linked me to... the arabic on the cover found on that video says "Smirah" which is odd, I originally thought it said "Samirah" which is a girls name... however it wouldn't surprise me if smirah is a girls name too
[22:23] <j0nr> hey folks
[22:23] <j0nr> have a quick problem (hopefully)
[22:24] <j0nr> I just installed LAMP server... went to localhost and got the default It Works! page... but when I put a php file in there and try to access it, my browser just tries to download the file rather the running it...
[22:25] <shauno> you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed?
[22:25] <czajkowski> cannot beleieve AV vote was rejected
[22:26] <shauno> czajkowski: common sense has never won against FUD.  mud slinging is far too effective in british politics
[22:26] <j0nr> shauno: yup
[22:26] <gord> the snickers in my mini bar mocks me.
[22:27] <shauno> j0nr: try a2enmod php5 - it'll either activate the module, or tell you if it already is
[22:27] <j0nr> tells me it is already activated shauno
[22:27] <shauno> (should require sudo I think; I leave that bit to common sense :)
[22:28] <shauno> well, there go the easy answers :/
[22:29] <j0nr> thats what I thought :)
[22:30] <HazRPG> czajkowski: well that's just ruined my night, bah
[22:30] <HazRPG> czajkowski: really had hopes up that it would get passed through :(
[22:31] <Cepheus> HazRPG: it was patently obvious it wouldn't go through, really
[22:31] <shauno> common sense never does.  ironically, the local elect in ramsbottom was decided by pulling straws.  because there's nothing wrong with the existing system or anything :)
[22:33] <shauno> j0nr: are you using the php from userdirs?  (eg, localhost/~bob/)
[22:33] <popey> shauno: dont you have to restart apache?
[22:33] <popey> after installing that
[22:33] <HazRPG> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart :)
[22:34] <shauno> can't hurt; never sure what a2enmod actually does over symlinking it yourself
[22:36] <j0nr> shauno: sorted now thanks to http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload
[22:37] <shauno> hm .. a2enmod should take care of that, it's already in the .conf.  can't argue with results tho :)
[22:47] <gord> so i have to get a new laptop, mine is a little screwed. anyone have any recommendations for laptops with long battery life's + okayish cpus?
[22:48] <popey> think pad x series
[22:48] <hamitron> I'd prob go for one of the new generation core-i cpu laptops
[22:50] <hamitron> do radeon cards with hypermemory work ok?
[22:50]  * hamitron 's last ATI card had 4Mb memory
[22:51] <hamitron> so kinda lost with ATI ;)
[22:51] <gord> i refuse to use ati on linux :)
[22:51] <hamitron> it won't be for gaming
[22:51] <hamitron> and nvidia have annoyed me
[22:51] <ali1234> you should get one of those new "3D" CPUs
[22:52] <ali1234> they are supposed to be a whole 38% more efficient
[22:52] <gord> i didn't think those were released
[22:53] <ali1234> they're not
[22:53] <hamitron> what about this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/199415
[22:53] <ali1234> and 38% is still rubbish anyway
[22:56] <hamitron> only uses 40W
[22:56] <hamitron> :)
[22:56] <HazRPG> well that's just messed up
[22:58] <HazRPG> "sudo /etc/init.d/sixad status"; * sixad is not running; "sudo /etc/init.d/sixad start"; * Starting sixad; sixad started, press the PS button now;
[22:58] <HazRPG> but it is now sat running in the terminal, surely this should just run as a service :S
[22:59] <gord> ThinkPad X220 looks good
[22:59] <gord> 14 hours battery life
[22:59] <ali1234> why do you need a daemon to connect to a user input device?
[23:00] <gord> wonder how cheep i can get it
[23:00] <ali1234> X220
[23:00] <ali1234> is a nice computer
[23:01] <ali1234> like a netbook except it's got a real CPU
[23:01] <gord> eh its a little big to be a netbook
[23:16] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well, everyone..
[23:27] <HazRPG> ooo, has there been an icon update for maverick?
[23:27] <HazRPG> (just noticed the icon during update has changed)
[23:41] <damian> evening all!
[23:42] <damian> anyone experience problems with Flash on x64 ubuntu?  display just overlaps, doesn't draw properly etc
[23:43] <AlanBell> evening
[23:44] <AlanBell> I have not seen such issues running flash on 64bit in a VM
[23:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Evening earthlings
[23:44] <AlanBell> I am about to nuke my 32bit laptop and install Natty 64bit
[23:44] <AlanBell> evening TheOpenSourcerer
[23:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - scary stuff AlanBell
[23:45] <damian> AlanBell: always messes up with blogtv when I'm broadcasting and ustream watching the bottom just doesn't render correctly.
[23:45] <AlanBell> doing a 175GB backup first
[23:45]  * TheOpenSourcerer is just back from a tour of local public hostelries.
[23:45] <damian> I <3 my backup drive :)
[23:46] <HazRPG> hmm, seems I have a lot to learn still
[23:47] <HazRPG> trying to work out why sixad won't run as a proper daemon
[23:48] <HazRPG> thought it might be in the /etc/init.d/sixad or /usr/bin/sixad scripts
[23:48] <HazRPG> but the bash code seems fine
[23:49] <HazRPG> seems the problem must be in the actual daemon itself /usr/sbin/sixad-bin
[23:49] <damian> or maybe a permission?
[23:55] <HazRPG> nah, the whole thing runs fine and dandy, the thing that annoys me about it is the fact that once you issue "sudo /etc/init.d/sixad start" and it starts up... it sits and waits for a controller to be connected... and once it does, it doesn't just run off in the background, it sits and waits there (controller runs fine, until you CTRL+C though)
[23:55] <ali1234> i've been having a lot of problems with flash since upgrading to natty
[23:56] <HazRPG> which to me is a badly constructed daemon
[23:56] <HazRPG> ali1234: sup?
[23:56] <ali1234> well i get white rectangles instead of what flash was supposed to render
[23:56] <ali1234> not like it's not rendering anything at all though
[23:56] <ali1234> it's just small bits
[23:57] <ali1234> also it never happens on youtube
[23:57] <ali1234> which is the only flash i haven't blocked
[23:57] <HazRPG> random :S
[23:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> How cool is this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2011/05/a_15_computer_to_inspire_young.html
[23:58] <ali1234> yeah your problem with sixad is because it isn't coded properly
[23:58] <ali1234> it doesn't even need to wait until the controller connects it should fork into background immediately
[23:58] <HazRPG> well yeah exactly that's my point, its odd
[23:58] <ali1234> you would be surprised how many programmers have no idea at all what they are doing
[23:58] <ali1234> actually maybe you wouldn't


[18:03] <dsmythies> Does anybody here have sufficient rights to change a bug report from private to public? I want bug 478097 changed back to public. It must have been in error that it was made private.
[18:20] <teward> dsmythies: might be a case of it being duped to something else
[18:21] <teward> dsmythies: it also depends on whether it's a bug against the Ubuntu project or an individual other project
[18:24] <dsmythies> teward: The bug was against the ubuntu-docs project. But it was also marked as invalid against ubuntu-website. All I know is that I got this (which is wrong):
[18:24] <dsmythies> ** Changed in: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu)
[18:24] <dsmythies> Status: Confirmed => In Progress
[18:25] <dsmythies> ** Changed in: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu)
[18:25] <dsmythies> Status: In Progress => Fix Committed
[18:25] <teward> dsmythies: those are individual projects, though.  because they're individual projects you have to contact people there in those projects' bug supervisors groups to have the bug worked on
[18:25] <dsmythies> ** Information type changed from Public to Private
[18:25] <teward> ubuntu-docs is its own project outside the purview of the Bug Squad and standard Ubuntu triage
[18:26] <dsmythies> I am an ubuntu-docs highest level person, and that bug report is not accessable to me.
[18:27] <teward> the bug supervisors group is the committers group
[18:27] <teward> not the project team
[18:28] <teward> if you're on that, then you should be able to see it, but... hmm
[18:28] <dsmythies> teward: Yes. I am a doc committer. Anyway thanks for your help.
[18:28] <teward> i'd ask #launchpad they maintain the full bug system


[01:13] <mup> PR snapd#11220 opened: gadget/gadget.go: add AllDiskVolumeDeviceTraits <Needs Samuele review> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11220>
[10:20] <mup> PR snapd#11221 opened: Threat XDG_DATA_DIRS like PATH for fish <Created by jduchateau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11221>