[00:13] <philipballew> is the ppc version of ubuntu gonna still be ok even though its not official?
[00:13] <holstein> philipballew: ok?
[00:14] <bioterror> yes
[00:14] <philipballew> like stable
[00:14] <bioterror> it's community supported
[00:14] <philipballew> i want to install a cli system on an old mac laptop
[00:14] <holstein> yeah... i wouldnt be scared :)
[00:14] <bioterror> philipballew, how old?
[00:14] <philipballew> 128 mb of ram
[00:14] <philipballew> i can up it to 6something
[00:14] <holstein> philipballew: i have a couple old G3's i plan on doing the same with
[00:15] <bioterror> better be new world mac
[00:15] <philipballew> 128 enough for a cli syste?m
[00:15] <bioterror> otherwise
[00:15] <pleia2> philipballew: if you're just using cli I'd recommend debian, their ppc version is officially supported
[00:15] <bioterror> philipballew, as long as you have swap
[00:16] <philipballew> pleia2, i was thinking that. is there a version of debian thats best to install for cli or would their be an option for not installing a gui?
[00:16] <collinp> You can easily install Debian without a GUI.
[00:16] <pleia2> philipballew: just do a regular install of debian, when you get to the section where you select package sets just make sure nothing is selected (it defaults to 'standard system' at least, maybe something else too)
[00:17] <pleia2> if you uncheck (er, un-asterisk :)) everything you'll get a super basic system
[00:17] <philipballew> alright. sounds good this is what im gonna do. the cd image http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
[00:19] <pleia2> I tend to use the netinstall http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst but I haven't done a ppc system in forever
[00:19] <pleia2> so the big disk you linked to may be better
[00:20] <philipballew> me either. but i got a laptop and am gonna set it up and use the webcam as a security camera. i didnt see a net install for ppc on the main page
[00:20] <philipballew> only 23 and 64
[00:21] <pleia2> debian has improved their download pages, but not enough, it's still terribly confusing
[00:21] <bioterror> how so?
[00:22] <pleia2> well, for one they still only link to basic images on their download page :)
[00:22] <philipballew> its true. there's like 5 torents to choose on the download page here. interesting http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/powerpc/bt-cd/
[00:23] <collinp> I've had minor issues with finding what I'm looking to download on the Debian website, but I always find what I'm looking for anyway.
[00:23] <pleia2> I always give direct iso link downloads to customers, otherwise they'll never download the right one
[00:23] <philipballew> i use torents myself. much faster.
[00:24] <philipballew> probably harder for customers
[00:25] <pleia2> torrents are impossible for customers
[00:25] <seidos> if you aren't used to them, yeah, they would probably be more challenging
[00:25] <seidos> pleia2: customers are you're job?
[00:25] <seidos> are=at
[00:25] <pleia2> seidos: yeah
[00:27] <seidos> cool
[06:53] <ubuntun00b> anyone hac a fix for ubuntu 10.10 with laptop touchpads
[06:58] <bioterror> take generic usb mouse ;)
[06:58] <bioterror> whats yourr problem
[06:58] <ubuntun00b> lol
[06:59] <ubuntun00b> ahh i installed ubuntu 10.10 on my main laptop
[06:59] <ubuntun00b> but the mouse pad won't right click or let me use multi-touch (so no draggin windows)
[07:00] <ubuntun00b> been reading a couple forums but have not found any formal fix
[07:01] <ubuntun00b> how's it going bio you at work? or just chillin at home
[07:05] <ubuntun00b> hmmm can i just downgrade to 10.04 or would i have to do  a fresh install
[07:11] <ubuntun00b> brb
[07:13] <ubuntun00b> ahh sweet found a fix
[07:36] <stlsaint> ubuntun00b: what was fix?
[07:37] <ubuntun00b> just a line of code let me see if i can get you the url
[07:39] <ubuntun00b> http://askubuntu.com/questions/6523/touchpad-not-working-on-hp-pavilion-dv6
[07:39] <ubuntun00b> its on that page
[07:51] <ubuntun00b> night all
[09:16] <udonnome> is it ok to ask here how to install a patch in ubuntu?
[09:38] <krusi> i guess this could be the right place, just ask and if someone knows, he will answer
[09:43] <udonnome> when i try to install/apply the patch it gives me this "Hunk #1 FAILED at 49."
[09:43] <udonnome> why is that and how i can fix it?
[09:49] <krusi> what patch are you trying to apply?
[09:57] <udonnome> aireplay-ng-add-an-option-to-ignore-channel-1-error.patch
[09:58] <udonnome> i am this close to smash my laptop,tryed everything and i get that error every time
[10:00] <udonnome> krusi, may i PM you?
[10:06] <krusi> well..i'm not that much in to aireplay, but we can try and see what's going on
[10:07] <udonnome> so may i? :) please
[10:08] <krusi> sure :)
[10:10] <udonnome> just one sec,need to quick run to the store to buy some beer,beer alweys helps fixing things :D
[10:10] <krusi> after you have beer,you can check if this is your problem and solution:) http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9985581&postcount=1
[11:09] <r4y> Hello, I have always wondered this. How do I get around the commercials at places like this video has: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/161-angry-video-game-nerd-rant
[11:11] <bioterror> by watching the commercials
[11:12] <r4y> O well.
[11:12] <r4y> It's a waste of time. I should stick to these 2 add-ons then: downloadhelper and downthemall
[11:13] <r4y> Take care and TY for responding.
[15:54] <InfiniteSet> Hello, I was trying ubuntu the other day, and the sound and graphics weren't the best, it seemed all fuzzy and low-quality. Is there a way to fix that?
[15:55] <holstein> InfiniteSet: hey
[15:56] <holstein> when you say 'trying', you mean with a live CD? 10.04? 11.04?
[15:56] <InfiniteSet> Oh well, I guess I should say, I installed ubuntu (using the windows installer) onto my old desktop computer. 11.04
[15:57] <holstein> ok... so you did a wubi install of ubuntu 11.04
[15:57] <holstein> when you say 'the other day', does that mean you still have it?, and you can try some things?
[15:58] <InfiniteSet> Yeah, I installed it, but of course it's on a different computer than what I am currently using
[15:59] <holstein> InfiniteSet: when you have some time, and you are in front of the machine, come back... theres all kinds of tweaks we can try
[15:59] <InfiniteSet> Oh okay well I'll probably be able to do it now/soon
[15:59] <InfiniteSet> Is there some things you can suggest to search/look up if I can't do it now
[15:59] <InfiniteSet> ?
[16:00] <holstein> sure, you can literally google 'computer model ubuntu 11.04'
[16:01] <holstein> or screen resolution
[16:01] <holstein> or sound
[16:01] <holstein> could be the screen resolution, could be the driver... hard to say unless you remember more about the machine specs
[16:04] <InfiniteSet> Hmm alright, since I'm here still when I installed it, it said something about switching to Unity or GNOME or something like that since my computer couldn't handle the graphics effects or something
[16:04] <InfiniteSet> What does that mean?
[16:06] <holstein> InfiniteSet: again, lets try and narrow down the scope... how about we take on 'what is unity'
[16:06] <holstein> unity is the new UI that ubuntu is shipping with, and is also developing
[16:07] <InfiniteSet> Okay I understand that part so far I think
[16:07] <holstein> without you being in front of it, i dont know which one you have, BUT, gnome is the UI that was used last verion and earlier
[16:08] <InfiniteSet> Oh I see
[16:09] <holstein> seems like someone was either assuming or had determined you were in unity, and had suggested gnome as a fix
[16:10] <InfiniteSet> Hmm, I think I'll come back using ubuntu in a few minutes or so
[16:10] <holstein> and thats easy enough to try... when you are loging in, where you choose or put in your username, *before* putting in your password
[16:10] <holstein> down at the bottom, you can choose the 'classic' session
[16:10] <holstein> ^^ that would be gnome
[16:11] <InfiniteSet> Oh okay
[16:11] <holstein> when that fails and looks the same, we can discuss other options
[16:11] <InfiniteSet> Thank you for the help so far :) I'll try it now
[16:19] <InfiniteSet> Back
[16:20] <InfiniteSet> So currently I am in Ubuntu Classic, and it looks the same as the first time I logged in, there are two panels, at the top and at the bottom
[16:21] <InfiniteSet> With Applications, Places, and System at the top  left corner
[16:23] <holstein> InfiniteSet: right, so its still 'fuzzy' or whatever?
[16:23] <holstein> this is a desktop machine? and its currently online?
[16:24] <InfiniteSet> Uh, yeah, to compensate that I made the fonts bigger (since I could not read it), but everything looks funny (like out of proportions). I wanted it to be like how it was in Windows
[16:24] <holstein> InfiniteSet: you'll want to look around and undo that font change
[16:24] <InfiniteSet> Yeah it's a desktop machine, and I am currently using Ubuntu
[16:24] <holstein> otherwise these tweaks will start to build on each other
[16:25] <InfiniteSet> Oh okay, hmm I just changed the font on chrome so I think I'll be able to change it to defaults
[16:25] <holstein> InfiniteSet: if you are online, go to the menu... system - administration - additional drivers
[16:25] <holstein> see if you see any drivers listed for your graphics hardware... and let me know
[16:25] <InfiniteSet> Wait, what does online mean? Does that mean currently using Ubuntu?
[16:26] <holstein> InfiniteSet: online = on the internet
[16:26] <InfiniteSet> Wait, why did you have to ask that then?
[16:27] <holstein> in web browsers, control+ and control- increases and decreases the font size
[16:27] <holstein> thats usually in any browser in any OS
[16:27] <holstein> InfiniteSet: if you are not online, then you might not see available drivers, since the OS will not be able to check online in the repositories
[16:28] <InfiniteSet> Oh, anyways, "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[16:28] <holstein> OK
[16:28] <holstein> the next thing i would try is setting the screen resolution
[16:29] <holstein> whatever screen resolution looks 'good' for you in windows is what i would try here
[16:29] <holstein> system - preferences - monitors
[16:30] <InfiniteSet> I tried 1024 x 768 (Im pretty sure thats what it was on Windows) and everything looks big and blurry
[16:31] <holstein> InfiniteSet: lets dont be 'pretty sure'... go and check and confirm what the resolution was not only in windows, but what the screen expects as default, and what the graphics card is capable of
[16:32] <InfiniteSet> how do I check whats the screen default? I have this old CRT monitor currently. How would I check what the graphics card is capable of?
[16:32] <holstein> ideally, you *should* be able to contact the vendor of that hardware, and ask for assistance using their hardware
[16:33] <holstein> i usually suggest putting an email together at least, so these vendors know and learn that you are trying to use the hardware in linux, and are having a hard time due to their level of support
[16:33] <holstein> InfiniteSet: i would literally google 'ati radeon 9600 resolution'
[16:33] <holstein> or 'whatever monitor native resolution'
[16:35] <InfiniteSet> Hmm I don't know what monitor I'm using. All I know is that it's an old CRT monitor, and theres the IBM logo on top.
[16:35] <holstein> also, i usually try several live CD's... i routinely use the latest ubuntu LTS (which is the last long term support release - 10.04) and the knoppix CD, and several other diagnostic tools
[16:35] <holstein> these linux distros run live from CD, which is useful and handy
[16:36] <holstein> IF knoppix looks good, and ubuntu doesnt, then you can look around and see what the resolution is, or what drivers are in use
[16:36] <holstein> live discs can run the OS in question from CD, *without* installing, and without changing or affecting the hard drive in any way
[16:37] <InfiniteSet> I don't think I understand
[16:38] <holstein> InfiniteSet: ??
[16:38] <holstein> InfiniteSet: if i were you, i would burn an ubuntu 10.04 live CD, and see what the screen res looks like, or i would just deal with the issue for a bit til you learn more about how to use and tweak the OS
[16:38] <InfiniteSet> But I already have Ubuntu 11.04 installed?
[16:39] <holstein> InfiniteSet: right, and im not suggesting that you remove, or downgrade that
[16:39] <holstein> im suggesting that you run 10.04 live
[16:39] <holstein> that will *not* effect your machine in any way
[16:40] <InfiniteSet> Hmm I tried running a CD with ubuntu on it, and it did not work. So I tried booting from a USB and it also did not work. So I just decided to install ubuntu
[16:40] <holstein> again, my other suggesting is to just deal with it for now
[16:41] <holstein> and learn more about the system, and how to tweak
[16:41] <holstein> that sounds like a machine that is not capable of USB booting
[16:41] <holstein> and in the bios, thats where you need to select the CD drive as the first boot
[16:41] <InfiniteSet> I tried booting from the CD drive
[16:41] <holstein> and that is bios to bios, so i cant really help you with it first hand
[16:42] <InfiniteSet> but then it took forever, then it said init was not found
[16:42] <InfiniteSet> and a command console was there
[16:42] <holstein> AH, well thats good.. it tried to boot
[16:42] <holstein> was that 11.04?
[16:43] <InfiniteSet> Yeah
[16:43] <holstein> could have been a bad CD
[16:43] <holstein> bad download image
[16:43] <holstein> i can only assure you that i boot CD's all the time, and again, that might be something you just need to get used to
[16:44] <InfiniteSet> Hmm, weird but it worked on my /other/ machine earlie
[16:44] <holstein> its quite different from the workflow of windows
[16:45] <holstein> InfiniteSet: that other machine is going to have totally different hardware
[16:45] <holstein> i personally would still be insterested in what a 10.04 live CD would do on this machine
[16:46] <InfiniteSet> So I should try to burn a 10.04 live CD, and boot that up?
[16:47] <holstein> InfiniteSet: you should do whatever you want to do... im only suggesting 10.04 live because i think it would be a good trouble shooting step
[16:47] <holstein> will it do anything? i dont know
[16:47] <holstein> will it do the same thing the other disc did? maybe
[16:48] <holstein> is it a waste of time? i like to have ubuntu LTS live CD's laying around, so i dont think so
[16:49] <InfiniteSet> LTS?
[16:49] <DarkwingDuck> !LTS
[16:49] <ubot2> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Hardy (Hardy Herron 8.04)
[17:26] <coalwater> hm isn't the current LTS lucid ?
[17:26] <coalwater> or what
[17:26] <coalwater> lol
[17:27] <coalwater> yea
[17:28] <coalwater> ubot u need to be updated :D
[17:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> coalwater, help him get updated by reporting to the right person =]
[17:33] <coalwater> and who's the right person
[17:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> goto #ubuntu-irc. you can find I believe
[17:35] <Unit193> I'm in there now if you want me to ask...
[17:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> just tell what has to be changed. someone will notice and will do it
[17:37] <IAmNotThatGuy> gilir can do that. but he is not available atm
[17:48] <coalwater> Unit193, yea, you could just mention that ubot2 doesn't know the latest LTS , that's all lol
[17:48] <coalwater> at least not correctly
[17:49] <Unit193> collinp: Already done so
[17:51] <Unit193> !lts | coalwater
[17:51] <ubot2> coalwater: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)
[17:52] <coalwater> ok good lol
[17:53]  * holstein high-fives coalwater & Unit193 :)
[17:54] <Unit193> Now we should PM all the bots to see if anymore think it's Hardy ;)
[17:55] <coalwater> hi holstein
[19:51] <philipballew> how can i install linux on an old computer without a cd drive?
[19:51] <philipballew> its a laptop
[19:56] <Unit193> philipballew: Does it support booting from flash? Or even netboot/PXE?
[19:57] <philipballew> not sure. i have an external cd drive. but not sure if it would be able to boot that. I found this article here http://jrv.oddones.org/solo.html
[19:58] <philipballew> Unit193, It appears he/she used the actual gateway external cd drive. mines usb powered
[19:59] <Unit193> !boot
[19:59] <ubot2> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[20:00] <philipballew> haha, whats that mean?
[20:00] <Unit193> I was trying to see if it would list all the things you can boot from :)
[20:01] <Unit193> Here we go: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Installation%20without%20a%20CD
[20:04] <philipballew> for sure. i am curuios if i can take out the hard drive. install linux onto it from another comp and put it back inside
[20:07] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5374435&postcount=4  Looks like it will mostly work
[20:08] <Unit193> The closer in hardware you have, the better it will be
[20:10] <philipballew> might be fun!
[20:12] <Unit193> Take a look at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=831299 too (Note that I have never done this :P )
[20:20] <philipballew> it seemes to me that i need to have a specific cd drive to boot from cd . i wonder if a network install is possible though
[20:40] <holstein> philipballew: i have had decent luck installing ubuntu on other machines, and moving the hard drive over
[21:05] <UBUNTUN00B> hey all
[23:43] <loopdigga_> woohoo finally made it
[23:44] <loopdigga_> can anyone give me some help?
[23:48] <loopdigga_> no one here?