[09:48] <knome> wut? :P
[13:00] <kwwii> w00t! internet connectivity
[13:00] <knome> ;)
[15:02] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Breathe_Icon_Set-20090524.tar.gz
[15:28] <shadeslayer> i just wanted you guys to see this http://francois.vogelweith.com/
[15:28] <shadeslayer> there are 9 awesome themes there along with ppa repos , i was thinking if the artwork team could make something along those lines
[15:29] <_MMA_> shadeslayer: Currently there is a lack of technical ability and time for the "team" to maintain a repo.
[15:30] <shadeslayer> _MMA_: i just meant that i found those themes pretty good and maybe ubuntu should incorporate them in the next release
[15:30] <shadeslayer> or something which looks like them
[15:31] <_MMA_> shadeslayer: This artwork team has just about 0 to do with what Canonical puts in Ubuntu. (unfortunately)
[15:32]  * _MMA_ points to topic and notes the word "community".
[15:32] <shadeslayer> _MMA_: ah... i thought that there would be devels here :(
[15:32] <knome> well, there is possibilities to get some artwork *packages* in ubuntu
[15:32] <macvr> _MMA_: i checked out the breathe icons , but looks like there isnt nm signal icons yet , are they breathe team accepting icons?
[15:33] <_MMA_> macvr: Read my reply to you on the list.
[15:33] <shadeslayer> _MMA_: also the breathe icon set is kinda too orange imo :)
[15:33] <_MMA_> knome: You have to be careful to also say "repos". Because just using "Ubuntu" sounds like at install time.
[15:34] <knome> _MMA_, right. :P when i say packages, i mean something that is possible to install :P
[15:34] <knome> not what is installed by default
[15:34] <_MMA_> Sure. noobs don't often see the difference.
[15:34] <macvr> _MMA_: oh, just now checked it... ok.. i do understand that any missing icons will be inherited... so breathe is not stressing on separate icons for nm-signal?
[15:35] <_MMA_> macvr: At the moment, no.
[15:37] <macvr> _MMA_: ok... but i have a few ideas , if u are interested for  later i could improve upon them...?
[15:39] <_MMA_> macvr: It's wide open. Just post to the list. Having examples on the "Submissions" page will help people understand your ideas. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
[15:40] <_MMA_> macvr: Also make sure to add: [Breathe] at the start of the email when it's about the set.
[15:40] <macvr> _MMA_: oh... ok... since this was my first time being involved , needed directions... will post on the list and submissions too.. :)
[15:41] <_MMA_> macvr: Do you have examples of previous work?
[15:41] <SiDi> hi people
[15:41]  * _MMA_ waves
[15:42] <SiDi> shadeslayer, what you could do though is ask françois volgeweith to try to get his theme packages directly in ubuntu repositories. They're pretty popular indeed (even ifthey're way to gnome-centric imo)
[15:42] <_MMA_> dashua[A90]: Why the "[A90]"? Different connection?
[15:42] <SiDi> he got a new netbook
[15:42] <SiDi> an A90 :D
[15:42] <_MMA_> Ahh... :)
[15:43] <macvr> _MMA_: i actually have them as pngs , but created not much experience with inkscape, but using the templates i have created 4 svgs, but its just a rough replica of the pngs i have
[15:43] <shadeslayer> SiDi: hehe...well ill see if i can contact him
[15:43] <macvr> _MMA_: i'll send it via the list , u could check it out
[15:44] <_MMA_> macvr: Links to anything you have now would be appreciated. (just something to look at)
[15:44] <shadeslayer> SiDi: just a note though...why is it that every icon theme is see on ubuntu artwork wiki has orange everywhere...isnt orange too bold??
[15:44] <_MMA_> macvr: Also, if you're having trouble with Inkscape, just ask. I'm sure someone can help. or maybe even convert your PNGs to SVG.
[15:44] <shadeslayer> *i see
[15:45] <SiDi> shadeslayer, its cause it looks nice with brown, and brown is the default colors of the current releases (hardy/jaunty)
[15:45] <SiDi> shadeslayer, the icon theme in xubuntu is blue :D
[15:46] <shadeslayer> SiDi: ubuntu really needs a facelift :P something like light yellow for folders etc
[15:46] <_MMA_> shadeslayer: Why?
[15:46] <SiDi> shadeslayer, check out breathe's folder icon
[15:46] <SiDi> it isnt flashy orange afaik
[15:46] <shadeslayer> _MMA_: as i said orange is too bold...hurts my eyes...looks horrible on dark back grounds
[15:47] <_MMA_> IYO. ;)
[15:47] <SiDi> i disagree :D
[15:47] <shadeslayer> SiDi: i am talking about the breathe icon theme :)
[15:47] <macvr> _MMA_: i have published any work , mostly i created for personal use, its basically like a hobby :) ... inkscape i'v been using for a couple of hrs and got a bit of hang of it... but help  conversion from png to svg would be nice?
[15:47] <_MMA_> Change, for the sake of it, without direction is folly.
[15:47] <macvr> ^HAVENT
[15:47] <shadeslayer> SiDi: everyone has their opinions :)
[15:47] <_MMA_> macvr: Gotcha.
[15:49] <_MMA_> macvr: In any event, throw something up and link in here.
[15:58] <SiDi> _MMA_, i found the missing symlinks for suspend/reboot
[15:58] <SiDi> hibernate / reboot actually
[15:58] <SiDi> its in actions : system-reboot.svg/png is missing
[15:58] <_MMA_> SiDi: Cool. Post them to the bug and I'll add them.
[15:58] <SiDi> and system-hibernate too
[15:59]  * _MMA_ looks
[15:59] <SiDi> shall i put that on the ML ? i didnt fill a bug report on LP
[15:59] <_MMA_> Oh. i thought I saw one like that. Gimmie a sec. Ill look here.
[15:59] <SiDi> okies
[16:01] <_MMA_> SiDi: And these links fix what exactly? Something in XFCE?
[16:01] <macvr> _MMA_: just sent the icons to the list, i still havent got the  lightings right , also for now i have used the icon from wireless network as the antenna,
[16:01] <_MMA_> k
[16:02] <_MMA_> Gah. Another one that doesn't use caps. What's with that? :)
[16:03] <macvr> _MMA_: ? was that for me? caps?
[16:03] <_MMA_> Yep :)
[16:03] <macvr> i dont understand caps?
[16:04] <_MMA_> macvr: You don't use capitol letters where needed.
[16:04] <kn100> Hi
[16:04] <macvr> _MMA_: oh :) ... just lazy i guess! my bad , !
[16:05] <macvr> _MMA_: i thought that caps meant something with the art!
[16:05] <kn100> Has canonical released colour specifications for Karmic yet?
[16:05] <_MMA_> macvr: Not a /big/ deal. Just looks odd. Just my personal nit-pick. Just hits me as childish. Or, its sometimes a language issue.
[16:05] <_MMA_> kn100: No. No new news on that front other then Julian Hubbard leaving.
[16:06] <macvr> _MMA_: i think that its more because of texting, !
[16:06] <_MMA_> Gotcha
[16:06] <kn100> _MMA_ thanks,
[16:06] <kn100> i am working on wallpapers for jaunty
[16:06] <kn100> karmix
[16:06] <kn100> argh i hate spelling on a hangover
[16:06] <_MMA_> kn100: Cool. Post 'em to the list.
[16:07] <kn100> want to see my first prototype for one?
[16:07] <_MMA_> sure
[16:08] <kn100> sorry about the banding, i cant seem to get rid of it without having a 6mb jpeg
[16:09] <kn100> http://i44.tinypic.com/16jlu9y.jpg
[16:09] <_MMA_> macvr: Icons look good at 1st look. But are they better than the Human ones or fit with Breathe, we'll see. WIP I understand. Hopefully we can get something going. Sebastien's icons have set the tone for the set lately.
[16:10] <_MMA_> kn100: Honest critique?
[16:10] <kn100> go for it
[16:10] <kn100> it sucks i know
[16:10] <SiDi> _MMA_, a quit dialog in XFCE, yeh
[16:10] <_MMA_> Too brand heavy
[16:10] <SiDi> the session quit dialog with the hibernate/suspend/quit buttons
[16:10] <_MMA_> SiDi: Gotcha. Ill fix in a min.
[16:10] <SiDi> thanks
[16:10] <_MMA_> np
[16:10] <kn100> _MMA_ i will bear that in mind, i was just working for something simple
[16:11] <kn100> the ubuntu logo is just so cool
[16:11] <_MMA_> kn100: Sure. Let me back-track and ask a question. What's the point? What are you going for here?
[16:12] <kn100> _MMA_ i just want to find some way to participate in ubuntu's development
[16:12] <SiDi> kn100, its recommanded not to use the logo at all in artwork
[16:12] <macvr> _MMA_: thanx for the comment , was wondering if they were too bad to even comment upon since u hadnt replied in a long time... but yeah Its WIP... at fist was thinking of converting png to svg but after working with inkscape i think if i do it fresh it would turn out better... ur thoughts?
[16:12] <_MMA_> kn100: I got that. :) Apply my above question to the aesthetics of you pic.
[16:13] <kn100> _MMA_ i was trying to get something that looked elegant yet simple
[16:13] <SiDi> its not bad at all, kn100, but you shouldn't use branding. its very boring for users to have a big logo in the face continuously.
[16:14] <_MMA_> macvr: From scratch will always be better. Ask on the list for help with techniques and defiantly look through the SVGs in the set for ideas/inspiration.
[16:14] <kn100> SiDi and _MMA_ thanks for the critique, i will work towards what you said. I am guessing ubuntu is staying orange/brown
[16:15] <_MMA_> kn100: Elegant and simple to what end? Like, what are you trying to say? And mind you, "because it looks cool" is an acceptable answer. ;) Also, branding isn't bad altogether. Just has to be used correctly.
[16:16] <macvr> _MMA_: will do with svg itself , will there be any problems with using the antenna from the wireless icon? i thought using that antenna would be better for continuity?
[16:16] <kn100> i was never good at describing art in school, so i think the because it looks cool answer is the best i can give :)
[16:16] <_MMA_> kn100: I'm just seeing if your thinking about more than "it looks cool". If your going for a particular audience and all.
[16:17] <kn100> oh right, i was trying to appeal to the widest audience possible, I wanted to create something that was as stylish as a mac but as sophisticated as a windows vista wallpaper
[16:17] <_MMA_> kn100: If you stay with the branding (though with less of a central focus) I would use a sharper logo over the blurred one you have.
[16:18] <macvr> guys i thought that karmic was going to move away from brown?
[16:18] <kn100> macvr canonical hasnt said anything about moving from brown yet
[16:19]  * kn100 is listening to queen :)
[16:19] <_MMA_> kn100: Well, IMO (and others around here) Going for the widest audiance will often result in watered-down, direction-less pieces. Try to appeal to a age group maybe. Don't be afraid to turn some people off.
[16:19] <macvr> kn100: i read some article where Mark said "brown has served well so long" but might be looking for a new color
[16:20] <kn100> _MMA_ good advice, Do you think its a good idea to work on something that isnt brown?
[16:20]  * _MMA_ notes the "might". (if the quote is correct)
[16:20] <SiDi> kn100, it is a good idea to do what you feel at ease with
[16:20] <kn100> macvr but yeah might. Since there is a lack of people developing the new theme, we may have to wait for the next LTS
[16:20] <_MMA_> kn100: That's up to you and your vision of what you wanna communicate.
[16:21] <SiDi> dont try to do something that goes against your feeling just to "do as you're told"
[16:21] <SiDi> express your creativity, instead ;)
[16:21] <kn100> SiDi great. How is the new human theme development going?
[16:22] <macvr> kn100: yeah , 10.4 probably will have more appealing looks :)
[16:22] <SiDi> you just have to check that it doesnt look incoherent with the default theme (and/or some of the community themes)
[16:22] <a_n_d_r_e_w> i hate human theme
[16:22] <SiDi> kn100, i'll let you know about the human theme as soon as Canonical hires me ;)
[16:22] <_MMA_> kn100: Though, if you're looking for general guidelines in hopes of generally being in line with what Ubuntu will do next, Orange/Brown is a safe bet for now. We have no other info past that.
[16:22] <a_n_d_r_e_w> http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090524/975766470K_perny_k_p_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png
[16:22] <kn100> Man they keep us in the dark dont they
[16:23] <_MMA_> UDS is going on now so I expect kwwii to have some notes in the next week or 2.
[16:23] <SiDi> Dont tell me you prefer Mandriva's default theme, please :D
[16:23] <SiDi> knome, still not coming UDS btw ? :P
[16:24] <kn100> hehe the trial part of macromedia fireworks doesnt work, its allways 30 days :)
[16:24] <kn100> (in wine)
[16:24] <_MMA_> SiDi: You building Breathe from BZR?
[16:25] <SiDi> _MMA_, usually im waiting for dashua to send me the latest deb XD
[16:25] <_MMA_> SiDi: I'll send you one. Preferred email?
[16:25] <SiDi> i'll get it from bzr if you want _MMA_
[16:25] <SiDi> sidnioulz at gmail dot com is good
[16:26] <_MMA_> Ok. I'm doing the fixes now. I wanna see if it fixes the issue for you.
[16:26] <SiDi> its lp:breathe-icon-theme ?
[16:26] <SiDi> no, its not :/
[16:26] <SiDi> hm
[16:26] <_MMA_> https://code.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/debian-packaging
[16:26] <_MMA_> So: bzr branch lp:~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/debian-packaging
[16:27] <_MMA_> Then, cd in and "bzr-buildpackage --native"
[16:27] <SiDi> there is such a command ? :O
[16:27] <SiDi> Damn. Ill have to try it on my own code, cause making deb packages is painful
[16:28] <_MMA_> yep.  It will build. You just cant sign the .deb. Still works.
[16:34] <SiDi> bzr: ERROR: The build failed.
[16:34] <_MMA_> Is there still a .deb?
[16:34] <SiDi> no :)
[16:34] <_MMA_> Maybe 1 folder up?
[16:35] <SiDi> i got almost all the files, though
[16:35] <_MMA_> Look for a folder called "build-area"
[16:35] <SiDi> ok, i see stuff here
[16:36] <SiDi> I got a deb, giving it to gdebig :)
[16:36] <SiDi> -g
[16:37] <_MMA_> SiDi: You gotta grab rev.42. Gimmie a sec.
[16:37] <_MMA_> *uploaded
[16:38] <_MMA_> (might take a sec)
[16:38] <kn100> i hate using macromedia fireworks in wine, its so slow
[16:38] <_MMA_> SiDi: Should be up now.
[16:39] <SiDi> Okey
[16:42] <zniavre> hello
[16:43] <SiDi> heya
[16:43] <kn100> does anyone know a good site with royalty free textures? im looking for a realistic mud/soil texture
[16:43] <zniavre> any chance to get globalmenu included in artwork team ,?
[16:43] <SiDi> _MMA_, the reboot one is fixed
[16:43] <SiDi> theres the hibernate one too
[16:44] <SiDi> the name is system-hibernate according to xfce folks
[16:45] <_MMA_> SiDi: Well IMO they need to be in line with FreeDesktop.
[16:45] <_MMA_> Maybe someone should file a bug. ;)
[16:45]  * SiDi has the feeling he's the someone you're mentioning
[16:46] <_MMA_> :P
[16:48] <_MMA_> SiDi: Actually, looks like they might not have support for them.
[16:48] <SiDi> _MMA_, i'll send the bug later on xfce's bugzilla with a patch
[16:48] <_MMA_> I think KDE/Oxygen went with "restart" and not "reboot". Might be good to at least line up with each other.
[16:49] <SiDi> ill add a note about that, but when i locate system-reboot i get matches from other icon themes :p
[16:49] <SiDi> and i got xfsm-hibernate too, which is used as backup for when theres no system-hibernate
[16:49] <_MMA_> Breathe went with "system-restart" and "system-suspend-hibernate" as per the Oxygen set.
[16:49] <SiDi> anyways i'll post on their bugzilla with a short patch
[16:51] <SiDi> by the meanwhile, if we could have the symlink, it'd be great.. :D
[16:51] <_MMA_> Ok. In the mean time, its fixed in the set. Though, I'm odd about creating fixes where standards should be followed/enacted or there's bugs in apps.
[16:51] <SiDi> they dont have a big team, hard for them to watch such details on their own ;)
[16:51] <SiDi> thanks tho
[16:51] <_MMA_> np. So you see it fixed on your end right?
[16:53] <knome> SiDi, nope, not coming to uds this time :(
[16:54] <_MMA_> SiDi: ^^^
[16:54] <knome> i'll keep the xubuntu HQ up ;)
[16:57] <kn100> well ive lost my inspiration for wallpapers :)
[16:57] <knome> kn100, already? ;)
[16:57] <kn100> hey, who designs the CD covers for the releases?
[16:57] <kn100> im really good with layouts
[16:57] <SiDi> _MMA_, the reboot is fixed indeed :)
[16:57] <_MMA_> kn100: No clue.
[16:57] <thorwil> kn100, someone at canonical
[16:57] <SiDi> the other name i gave you should be  the good one
[16:57] <_MMA_> SiDi: Killer. For reference: http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[16:58] <kn100> the one job i could have done well
[16:58] <SiDi> im about to have to leave home, will be back in ~1 hour
[16:58] <kn100> lol
[16:58] <SiDi> cheers _MMA_
[16:58] <kn100> buy SiDi
[16:58] <SiDi> i'll bug the xfce guys and write the code for them
[16:58] <SiDi> but it probably wont land before 4.8 in a good year
[16:58] <knome> lol
[16:58] <SiDi> knome, :D
[16:58] <SiDi> is it too optimistic ?:)
[16:58] <_MMA_> SiDi: np. I dont think the names will make the spec but at least being inline with KDE will be good.
[16:58] <knome> 4.8 will maybe be released on 2015
[16:58] <knome> ;)
[16:59] <SiDi> knome, leaves us time to write the xfce doc then :D :D
[16:59] <knome> yes.
[16:59] <knome> (and 2015 was optimistic)
[17:00] <SiDi> come on
[17:00] <SiDi> troll :d
[17:01] <_MMA_> :P
[17:01] <knome> not a troll, just being realistic
[17:01] <knome> ;)
[17:01] <savvas> sur-realistic :P
[17:01] <knome> nah
[17:01] <SiDi> ok, logging out
[17:01] <knome> the xfce folks plan their releases well :P
[17:01] <knome> see you SiDi
[17:01] <SiDi> see you asap people
[17:01] <SiDi> plan well -> thats a troll :D
[17:02] <knome> that's teasing
[17:02] <knome> to get them work faster
[17:02] <_MMA_> hahah. Because we all get paid so well. :P
[17:03] <knome> totally.
[17:03] <knome> well one of them soon might get paid well :P
[17:04]  * _MMA_ shoves his piles of money and hookers aside and goes to make a pizza.
[17:04]  * knome steals all of _MMA_'s money
[17:05] <_MMA_> As long as I have my pizza.
[17:06] <knome> sure.
[17:06] <knome> i can leave you money for a few more
[17:06] <SiDi>  :D
[17:06] <_MMA_> Yeah. Hookers gotta eat to.
[17:06] <SiDi> knome, hire myself as a pizza maker for _MMA_ then
[17:06] <knome> haha
[17:07] <knome> SiDi, didn't you go already? :P
[17:08] <SiDi> :D
[17:08] <SiDi> my driver's late :D
[17:08] <knome> haha
[17:08] <SiDi> alright
[17:08] <SiDi> see you soon
[17:08] <knome> ;)
[17:08] <knome> bye
[17:08] <_MMA_> bbl
[18:29] <dashua[A90]> _MMA_: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/14971/screenshot_1Y7En3.png
[18:29] <dashua[A90]> Tweaked UNR a bit, netbook-launcher and compiz are not playing well together
[18:30] <_MMA_> Still, fun. :)
[18:30] <dashua[A90]> This thing is great
[18:31] <dashua[A90]> All of my kids want one now =/
[18:31] <_MMA_> :D
[18:32]  * _MMA_ will be getting them a Wii soon. Though I'm building them a new basic box from the guts of a Dell Optiplex.
[18:32] <dashua[A90]> Battery lasts about 10 hours
[18:32] <dashua[A90]> Ooh nice
[18:32] <_MMA_> very nice
[18:33] <knome> dashua[A90], how much is "all of my kids"
[18:33] <dashua[A90]> How much is it going to cost or how many kids?
[18:34] <knome> the latter
[18:34] <knome> i hope it's not that "a 90"
[18:34] <knome> ;))
[18:34] <dashua[A90]> 3 girls 15,10, and 8
[18:34] <knome> yay
[18:34] <knome> congrats ;)
[18:34] <dashua[A90]> Thx
[18:35] <dashua[A90]> I'm going to need it.
[18:35] <knome> of course
[18:36] <knome> kids are so... nice. especially girls.
[18:36] <knome> especially at their teen age.
[18:36] <knome> (and pre-teen age)
[18:36] <dashua[A90]> Yeah, they're fun now and all of them use Linux, which is cool
[18:37] <dashua[A90]> They really don't have much of a choice in the house though
[18:37]  * _MMA_ hugs his fiber connection. Downloading ISO images @2.7MB/sec. :P
[18:37] <knome> hehe
[18:37] <knome> still haven't got my wife using linux
[18:37] <knome> ;<
[18:38] <_MMA_> knome: Don't give her the choice. "twas what I did. ;)
[18:39] <dashua[A90]> _MMA_: Same here, they acclimate quite fast.
[18:39] <knome> :D
[18:39] <knome> lol
[18:39] <knome> have to go, guests
[18:39] <knome> see you!
[18:39] <dashua[A90]> Pz
[18:39] <_MMA_> later
[18:40] <dashua[A90]> Breathe look exceptionally sexxy on this little beast too :)
[18:40] <dashua[A90]> looks*
[18:40] <_MMA_> Nice ;)
[18:41] <dashua[A90]> I have'n't used another icon set since last May or so when development began
[18:41] <_MMA_> Just keep testing and file bugs where needed.
[18:42] <dashua[A90]> I have'n't used another icon set since last May or so when development began I strongly disagree.  The contrast is quite nice.
[18:42] <dashua[A90]> Oh and whoever said Breathe does not look good on dark themes,
[18:43] <dashua[A90]> Sorry, getting used to these smaller keys =/
[18:43] <_MMA_> It's about all I use it on. Dust and DarkRoom.
[18:43] <dashua[A90]> _MMA_: Will do on the bugs for sure
[18:44] <dashua[A90]> I think it actually looks better on darker themes
[18:44] <dashua[A90]> Just my opinion
[18:44] <_MMA_> Been using them almost exclusively during Jaunty. More than my beloved Studio theme. ;)
[18:44] <dashua[A90]> Oh wow, that is big ;)
[18:45] <_MMA_> :P
[21:58] <geek_ubuntu> hi
[21:58] <geek_ubuntu> hello
[21:59] <geek_ubuntu> I was wondering who to speak to about contributing graphics for ubuntu
[21:59] <kn100> hey
[21:59] <kn100> depends what your contributing
[21:59] <kn100> and http://www.noob.us/miscellaneous/geek-squad-fails-computer-repair-test/
[21:59] <kn100> oops wrong link
[21:59] <kn100> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/artwork/
[22:00] <geek_ubuntu> nothing there
[22:01] <kn100> oh sorry its case sensetive
[22:01] <geek_ubuntu> oh yeh there is
[22:01] <kn100> the real link is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[22:02] <geek_ubuntu> found some artwork examples https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkJmakProposals?action=edit&template=ArizonaTeam/MeetingTemplate
[22:02] <geek_ubuntu> i would like to contribute by making icons wallpapers login background and startup splash logo
[22:04] <kn100> add them to the wiki
[22:04] <kn100> i am new to this too
[22:07] <_MMA_> geek_ubuntu: kn100 is correct. Joining the mailing list and putting items on the wiki is the way to go.
[22:09] <kn100> yay face
[22:24] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/14984/screenshot_7WLM53.png
[22:24] <dashua> Few tweaks to Alvaro
[22:24] <kn100> looks nice
[22:25] <dashua> Thx
[22:26] <dashua> This theme is fairly customizable from what I can tell as far as color schemes go.
[22:26] <kn100> i use standard ubuntu theme
[22:26] <kn100> mainly because ive never been able to figure out how to get other themes
[22:28] <dashua> Oh, just add them to /home/user name/.themes
[22:28] <dashua> Or drag and drop to gnome-appearance-preferences if packaged in tar.gz
[22:29] <_MMA_> dashua: You test the latest Breathe?
[22:29] <dashua> Yeah, just commented on that Rhythmbox report
[22:30]  * _MMA_ looks
[22:31] <kn100> how can i test this new breathe?
[22:31] <dashua> I thought when I originally reported that is was inherited Human not realizing it was a hi-color icon
[22:32] <dashua> Download the tar.gz and drop it in your themes tab
[22:32] <_MMA_> dashua: Cool. Player controls will look odd 'till Oliver gives me the last few control icons but they should be done for release. I also think Sebastien wants to make a custom icon at some point.
[22:32] <kn100> dashua where from?
[22:32] <dashua> kn100: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Breathe_Icon_Set-20090524.tar.gz
[22:32] <kn100> thanks
[22:33] <dashua> _MMA_: A custom icon would be sweet being that the Breathe Rhythmbox icon is so good
[22:33] <_MMA_> Note that that is missing the specific fix we're talking about but is still pretty much up-to-date.
[22:34] <dashua> Cool, this is much better than the hi-color icon or minimally more consistent
[22:35] <kn100> what do i do with this tar.gz
[22:35] <kn100> ?
[22:35] <dashua> This wood background from saleel is really good for Karmic
[22:36] <dashua> kn100: Right click Desktop > Change background > Drop that file into your themes
[22:37] <kn100> ok
[22:37] <kn100> fantastic
[22:37] <kn100> thanks#
[22:37] <dashua> :)
[22:37] <_MMA_> dashua: Which wall?
[22:37]  * _MMA_ cant remember
[22:38] <dashua> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=eucawood.jpg
[22:38] <_MMA_> dashua: I like it as a texture but I think its a bit much as-is.
[22:39] <dashua> Yeah, it's a very good start
[22:39] <kn100> WOW
[22:39] <kn100> breathe is amazing
[22:40] <ubuntu_geek>
[22:41] <kn100> what format do you request the icons to be in and where can i submit a try for an icon?
[22:41] <kn100> one icon that needs changing is the one that comes up with exe files
[22:41] <_MMA_> dashua: Ive been using DarkRoom, Breathe and the "simple" wallpaper for a long while.
[22:41] <kn100> breathe is beyond sexy
[22:41] <_MMA_> kn100: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[22:41] <dashua> _MMA_: Yeah, that background is better than the default
[22:42] <_MMA_> kn100: Note that where the set is missing icons it inherits Human than gnome. So, we simply might not have the icon yet.
[22:43] <kn100> but breathe OMG it is so sexy
[22:44] <kn100> do you have to use svg's?
[22:44] <kn100> i make svg's
[22:45] <kn100> i cant make svg's
[22:45] <kn100> i mean
[22:46] <_MMA_> Yes. The source files are all SVG.
[22:46] <kn100> oh man
[22:46] <kn100> you cant convert high resolution png's to svg's right?
[22:47] <_MMA_> ?
[22:47] <_MMA_> s/can't/can?
[22:48] <kn100> can you convert high resolution pngs (like 2000x2000) to svg's?
[22:48] <_MMA_> Yes but it's *very* messy.
[22:48] <_MMA_> And as a submission, I wouldn't accept them for Breathe.
[22:49] <kn100> nevermind
[22:49] <kn100> you guys seem to have it covered
[22:49] <_MMA_> kn100: Try to make the jump from raster to vector. Takes a bit of thought but you'll never go back.
[22:49] <_MMA_> Except for photos.
[22:50] <knome> ;>
[22:50] <knome> or gf's
[22:50] <kn100> _mma_ whats the best oss vector prog?
[22:50] <knome> *oops* :P
[22:50] <knome> kn100, inkscape.
[22:50] <kn100> is that what you guys are using for the icons
[22:50] <_MMA_> Yes
[22:50] <kn100> ok i will try and learn that
[22:51] <_MMA_> You won't regret it.
[22:51]  * _MMA_ still has to dig into Blender. (one of these years)
[22:52] <kn100> know any good tutorial sites?
[22:53] <_MMA_> kn100: On thing about Inkscape, *lots* or resources. Honestly, I would /join #inkscape and chat with them.
[22:53] <kn100> ok
[22:53] <kn100> will google it
[22:57] <_MMA_> DeviantArt has lots of HOWTOs. (just search) And a great manual done last year: http://en.flossmanuals.net/Inkscape/FM_Inkscape_18Oct08.pdf
[22:57] <_MMA_> http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com
[22:58] <_MMA_> http://screencasters.heathenx.org
[23:02] <kn100> the breath skin is EPIC WIN!
[23:02] <kn100> i LOVE IT
[23:02] <kn100> include it in 9.10
[23:03] <_MMA_> kn100: Maybe. But not default. It will at least be in the repos.
[23:03] <kn100> i love the new wine icon
[23:04] <kn100> sound and video icon needs a new one
[23:04] <_MMA_> Like I said, WIP.
[23:04] <kn100> yeah
[23:04] <kn100> great so far though
[23:04] <kn100> amazing how good quality you guys aim for
[23:04] <kn100> considering you do it for free
[23:06] <_MMA_> If you can't do it right, don't do it at all. (even for free)
[23:07] <kn100> hehe
[23:07] <kn100> massive props though
[23:07] <psyke83> hey
[23:08] <dashua> psyke83: Heya, wb. :)
[23:08] <_MMA_> +1
[23:08] <psyke83> hey guys and gals ;)
[23:08] <kn100> hey psyke
[23:08] <_MMA_> psyke83: I need you to fix this theme, and that theme. Oh, and this other one! Get to work!!!
[23:09] <psyke83> _MMA_, f**k you :P... oh wait, I mean yessir
[23:09] <psyke83> ;)
[23:09] <_MMA_> hahahahhahahahaa
[23:09] <psyke83> take a look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1168984
[23:09]  * _MMA_ clicks
[23:10] <psyke83> the visual changes I like, but that doesn't matter. The gtkrc code is a lot cleaner now
[23:10] <psyke83> smaller, too
[23:10] <_MMA_> Nice.
[23:11]  * _MMA_ has stepped down from Studio and hopes they find someone to take over the art.
[23:12] <psyke83> keep looking, a-hole ;). I may help fix up the ubuntustudio theme, but that's the extent of my charity :)
[23:12] <psyke83> I have to get a real job too :P
[23:12] <_MMA_> I got one. Though, I had to go 307miles to do it.
[23:12]  * _MMA_ is currently working in another state. Away from his family.
[23:12] <psyke83> wow, what was it? I recall you saying something about welding?
[23:13] <psyke83> *is it
[23:13] <_MMA_> psyke83: Yeah. Back as a contract worker at my old job in my home state. maybe 3 months work. Maybe longer. Should net 10k take-home.
[23:13] <_MMA_> Working 60hrs a week.
[23:14] <_MMA_> I see the fam every couple of weeks.
[23:14] <psyke83> well not seeing your family sucks, but at least you're working... there are lots of layoffs there, and here too
[23:15] <_MMA_> Yeah. The $ will help alot. Paying some bills. Buying a fence and some toys.
[23:16]  * _MMA_ is totally getting a triple monitor setup and a Wii. (the latter mostly for the fam)
[23:16] <kn100> lucky you
[23:16] <kn100> a triple monitor setup
[23:16] <kn100> what size?
[23:17] <_MMA_> 20"/24"/20"
[23:17] <kn100> nice
[23:17]  * _MMA_ has this now though: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4030/dscf5024resizedxf1.jpg
[23:18] <psyke83> I have the same dell keyboard right now
[23:19] <psyke83> ;)
[23:19] <kn100> whats with the mouse?
[23:19] <_MMA_> I got 2 given to me. I liked the shape.
[23:19] <_MMA_> Older Logitech trackball.
[23:20] <kn100> you use trackballs?
[23:20] <_MMA_> And a Wacom.
[23:20] <_MMA_> (sitting behind the LCDs on the right)
[23:21] <kn100> i really need a bigger monitor
[23:21] <kn100> currently working on a 15"
[23:21] <geek_ubuntu> 17 crt
[23:21] <geek_ubuntu> and i have an Nvidia 8800 GTS
[23:21] <_MMA_> 23/24s are getting damn cheap.
[23:22] <kn100> 19" are really cheap
[23:22] <kn100> i can get decent 19" for like 50
[23:25] <knome> kn100, varies what people find "decent"
[23:26] <kn100> they are really good
[23:26] <kn100> hanns-g ones
[23:26] <knome> never heard.
[23:26] <kn100> theres no bleed and colour reproduction is good
[23:27] <knome> i'm running 2x24" widescreens
[23:28] <_MMA_> knome: I did 2 for years but that middle bezel finally drove me nuts.
[23:28] <knome> _MMA_, hehe. :) i can see.
[23:28] <knome> i just ignore it
[23:28] <knome> and notice working on one monitor a lot
[23:29] <knome> and then changing for the other to do something else
[23:29] <kn100> lucky people
[23:29] <knome> but that works relatively well
[23:29] <kn100> this 15 incher is driving me mad
[23:29] <_MMA_> Games get the worst. The tri-setup I think is gonna be sweet. Im gettin' 2 refurbed 20"s that match my 24".
[23:29] <knome> hihi
[23:30] <kn100> how much for?
[23:30] <_MMA_> Though, there are some hacks/tricks to get Compix working over 2 cards.
[23:31] <_MMA_> kn100: $340
[23:32] <kn100> wow thats bad price
[23:32] <kn100> are they like top quality or something?
[23:33] <_MMA_> *Very* specific monitors. Lots of features. Guaranteed no dead pixels.
[23:33] <kn100> these are guarenteed no dead pixels for an extra £30
[23:33] <kn100> http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/20%22+Belinea+Widescreen+LCD+TFT+Monitor+?productId=35245
[23:33] <_MMA_> Like my 24" Dell, I can plug damn-near any feed into it.
[23:34] <kn100> fair enough
[23:35] <_MMA_> Oh. $325. Free shipping. http://tiny.cc/Sw8D0
[23:36] <kn100> very nice
[23:36] <kn100> YAY!
[23:36] <kn100> I got itunes in ubuntu
[23:38] <kn100> (not that i use itunes, i just took it as a personal challenge
[23:40] <Viper550> I noticed the new Air plasma theme on 4.3 has a somewhat ugly fallback
[23:45]  * _MMA_ wished more Kubuntu folks were active here but Kubuntu mostly uses upstream KDE.
[23:45] <Viper550> yeah...
[23:45] <kn100> eww kde
[23:45] <kn100> lol
[23:47] <kn100> hey with wine is there any way to change the icon a wine program displays in the notification bar?
[23:48]  * _MMA_ is unsure
[23:49] <psyke83> kn100, you'd have to hack the exe with a windows reshacker
[23:49] <psyke83> (and insert the new icon)
[23:49] <kn100> will try that
[23:49] <kn100> resource hacker should do it i ugess
[23:49] <kn100> i guess
[23:50] <kn100> thank the good lord for wine
[23:51] <kn100> this file has a nonstandard resourse layout
[23:51] <kn100> lol
[23:52] <kn100> any other ideas
[23:52] <_MMA_> Ok. I'll comment. Can't help it. (take with a grain of salt) ;) There's nothing I can't do in linux that I once did in windows. WINE is only good for things you *want* to use.
[23:52] <kn100> i love wine
[23:52] <psyke83> kn100: just grab the source, patch and recom... oh sorry, my bad :P
[23:52] <kn100> it runs so many things so well
[23:52] <kn100> i know
[23:52] <kn100> thats the sad thing :)
[23:53] <kn100> the reason i want to change is because...
[23:53] <kn100> getting screeny
[23:53] <kn100> http://i44.tinypic.com/23uzsr6.png
[23:54] <kn100> look at the spotify icon in the notification bar
[23:54] <kn100> compared to my other icons its patheti
[23:55] <psyke83> kn100: is it due to the panel size, perhaps? Maybe it's all jagged because it can't display the native size
[23:55] <kn100> my panel size is the smallest it to go
[23:55] <kn100> making it larger doesnt change it
[23:55] <kn100> its because windows sucks lol
[23:56] <_MMA_> Right tool for the job. Whatever the OS.
[23:56] <kn100> what?
[23:57] <kn100> the format tool in windows?
[23:57] <_MMA_> It was a comment on your "windows sux" line.
[23:58] <kn100> hehe
[23:58] <kn100> the one thing windows got right was gaming support
[23:58] <kn100> its just so epicly good
[23:59] <_MMA_> Not really. It's the dominant OS. Development will go there because it's the biggest user share.
[23:59] <kn100> yeah
[23:59] <kn100> but directx vs opengl
[23:59] <kn100> directx is so well done


[01:52] <callmepk> good morning
[02:17] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[02:17] <kenvandine> good morning callmepk and duflu
[02:17] <kenvandine> and jamesh
[02:17] <duflu> Hi kenvandine.  Going OK. You?
[06:58] <seb128> I'm alright thanks!
[06:58] <didrocks> hey seb128, ça va, et toi ?
[06:59] <seb128> trying to understand why the new installer snap is segfaulting in swrast_dri.so :/
[07:00] <seb128> didrocks, ça va :)
[07:00] <seb128> it works when using GALLIUM_DRIVER=softpipe
[07:01] <seb128> something wrong with the driver in the classic snap env :/
[07:02] <duflu> seb128, sounds like a VM? That driver shouldn't be used on real hardware
[07:04] <seb128> duflu, the snap forces LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 , unsure why Ken did that but I assume it was to workaround driver issues in the snap env
[07:04] <duflu> :(
[07:04] <seb128> duflu, it's not the issue though, if I unset that it segfault in iris_dri.so
[07:05] <seb128> it's staging those from a deb and copying the deb files over fixes the segfault
[07:05] <duflu> seb128, kind of good. If you can get a stack trace with symbols (or without) I can try and triage the crash
[07:05] <seb128> so it's something snapcraft is doing
[07:05] <seb128> it's setting an rpath
[07:05] <seb128> which I think is creating the issue
[07:05] <duflu> Although if it's just snap-mixing-versions-of-mesa then it's not a Mesa bug
[07:05] <seb128> but if I patchelf --remove-rpath it's not enough to resolve the issue
[07:06] <seb128> duflu, well, at this point I'm puzzled
[07:06] <seb128> it's not a bug in the code otherwise the deb .so copied over would segfault the same way
[07:06] <seb128> it's something snapcraft is doing to it
[07:06] <duflu> seb128, anything like a crash file or oops link?
[07:06] <seb128> I wonder if setting the rpath could lead to a bug in some way
[07:07] <seb128> duflu, no, that's inside a classic snap :/
[07:07] <seb128> rogram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[07:07] <seb128> 0x00007ffff69af93d in ?? ()
[07:07] <seb128>    from /snap/ubuntu-desktop-installer/x1/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iris_dri.so
[07:07] <seb128> (that's trying to start glxinfo)
[07:08] <seb128> I rebuilt the deb witgh nostrip to get the debug info
[07:08] <duflu> Ideally that file should not exist because we want the OS to only have a single set of Mesa drivers. Otherwise they will crash each other
[07:08] <seb128> which is how I discovered that the deb build doesn't segfault...
[07:08] <jibel> Good morning
[07:08] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:08] <seb128> jibel, hey
[07:08] <seb128> duflu, what do you mean 'crash each other'?
[07:08] <seb128> maybe that's the issue there
[07:09] <duflu> seb128, I mean the slightest version difference means ABI changes and crashes
[07:09] <seb128> though than seeing from the snap the idea I think is that only the snap ones are seen
[07:09] <seb128> duflu, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mJGDPctxy2/
[07:09] <duflu> But good news: The libGL ABI is super stable for decades. You shouldn't need to ship your own
[07:11] <seb128> it's a bit weird that ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 is used from the system though, unsure if that could lead to this issue...
[07:12] <duflu> seb128, that's the dynamic loader. I would expect you don't get the option of replacing that one
[07:12] <seb128> k, so not my issue
[07:13] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:13] <seb128> marcustomlinson, hey, how are you?
[07:13] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:14] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:14] <marcustomlinson> seb128: hey, tired but alright thanks
[07:14] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks and duflu
[07:15] <jibel> hi duflu seb128 didrocks marcustomlinson
[07:15] <seb128> marcustomlinson, :-(
[07:16] <marcustomlinson> hey jibel
[07:22] <seb128> duflu, ah, I did success with debug symbols by copying over the ddebs files to the snap env
[07:22] <seb128> duflu, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WpJYNqwFwC/
[07:23] <duflu> seb128, good? But if there's any version mismatch with the system then the stack would still be bogus. So make sure it's an identical Mesa build
[07:23] <seb128> duflu, they are, the snap just prime the focal deb which is the same build as the ddeb
[07:24] <seb128> duflu, the only difference is that snapcraft sets an rpath on the binaries due to how classic snaps work (so it loads libraries from the snap env and not the system ones)
[07:24] <duflu> Hmm duplicate static variables could still be a problem there but unlikely
[07:25] <seb128> how would that happen?
[07:25] <seb128> I wonder if patchelf could damage the binary in some way :/
[07:26] <seb128> $ objdump -x /tmp/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri//swrast_dri.so |grep RPATH
[07:26] <seb128>   RPATH                $ORIGIN/..:/snap/core20/current/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[07:26] <duflu> Yeah patchelf sounds like it's designed to break things in a controlled way
[07:29] <seb128> ok, so I think it's it and I'm not the first one to hit that
[07:29] <seb128> https://github.com/MirServer/egmde-snap/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L117
[07:29] <seb128> '      - no-patchelf # Otherwise snapcraft may strip the build ID and cause the driver to crash'
[07:29] <seb128> for whatever reason remove that build ID which snapcraft is doing is making the driver crash
[07:31] <duflu> seb128, ah yes. "build_id" in the function names of the crash
[07:32] <seb128> just spent a day to get there, tricky problem to get at the bottom of
[07:32] <seb128> marcustomlinson, ^ finally found the real issue
[07:35] <seb128> and https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/caveats-for-no-patchelf-in-a-classic-snap/ has the details
[07:36] <seb128> 'As part of the shuffling, in some scenarios, patchelf may end up shuffling the GNU build id note section, that normally will live in the “note” segment (i.e. PT_NOTE) into another segment (not PT_NOTE). This may cause issues for applications that assume they are in the note segment, such as mesa (https://github.com/intel/external-mesa/blob/master/src/util/build_id.c#L75)'
[07:41] <seb128> duflu, ^ so that was it, thanks for proposing to help :)
[07:57] <duflu> seb128, GL APIs and ABIs are very stable long term. Maybe the most stable ones around. So those libraries ideally shouldn't be needed in any snaps
[07:58] <duflu> Pretty much what worked in the 1990s still does now
[07:59] <duflu> I mean shouldn't be duplicated from the system ones
[08:00] <seb128> duflu, thanks for the hint, I will check if we can do without those
[08:04] <Laney> moin
[08:13] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz, seb128, marcustomlinson, jibel, Laney
[08:13] <oSoMoN> seb128, well done on getting that snap to work, it was a nasty issue
[08:14] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:15] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks! and indeed, I feel better now, spent most of the day yesterday on it and I kept me busy thinking in the evening/night on what it could be
[08:15] <seb128> I'm glad I figured it out now, feeling better!
[08:15] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:16] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:16] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[08:25] <Laney> hey oSoMoN seb128 duflu didrocks jibel
[08:25] <Laney> doing good, was out this morning potting up some sunflowers and peas
[08:25] <Laney> more to do later
[08:25] <Laney> seb128: well done on getting to the end of that investigation
[08:26]  * duflu high fives Laney after fertilising some flowers at lunch
[08:28] <Laney> \o\
[08:33] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN and Laney
[08:34] <Laney> duflu: I guess there's a decent amount of interesting things that will grow for you in winter
[08:34] <Laney> yo marcustomlinson
[08:35] <duflu> Laney, I usually only try to stop the tropicals from dying. They don't like anything near freezing, despite that being rare
[08:36] <Laney> nod
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, thanks :-)
[09:10] <seb128> wifi router went unhappy for some reason, hangout was still working but most of the other things timeout in the back
[09:10] <seb128> I reconnected and it's all working, weird
[09:25] <jibel> Good morning Laney
[10:00] <Laney> \o
[10:00] <Laney> seb128: https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions/stats/current/ looks a bit odd, those subdirs
[10:02] <seb128> Laney, what did I do this time :p
[10:03] <Laney> touched a computer, that was your first mistake
[10:03] <seb128> that's right!
[10:13] <seb128> Laney, fixed, thanks for reporting! I was basically doing 'ln -sf $(date) current', works fine the first time but when 'current' exists it consider it as a the target dir, needed to add 'n' to the arguments
[10:17] <Laney> nice one!
[10:17] <seb128> thanks for the reviews!
[10:17] <seb128> I will check the grafana side later :)
[13:06] <seb128> jibel, I would appreciate a review on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/+git/ubuntu-qa-tools/+merge/402641 before the long weekend, I think we are still not getting daily current iso due to that one
[13:07] <seb128> jibel, also the dl-ubuntu-test-iso snap needs a rebuild to pick an updated distro-info-data
[13:07] <seb128> it's a bit annoying how distro-info just errors out after new ubuntu series are created
[14:01] <jibel> seb128, okay, I'll have a look
[14:02] <jibel> sil2100, Laney would you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/402585 ?
[14:05] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[14:21] <Laney> jibel: sure, that looks fine™ to me, what could possibly go wrong?
[14:26] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:27] <Laney> wait a second
[14:27] <Laney> jibel: have you checked this in a ppa?
[14:27] <Laney> hey hellsworth
[14:29] <jibel> Laney, no, I just ran the germinate command to see if it generated the expected seed. I am not sure if there could be some side effects on other flavours or images actually
[14:29] <seb128> hey heather, how are you?
[14:29] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth
[14:30] <hellsworth> hi folks
[14:30] <hellsworth> i'm good thanks, how are you seb?
[14:33] <Laney> jibel: I think your problem is not this, but the lack of Task: headers in the archive, the package is in the live seed so it should get Task: ubuntu-live, which add_task() is meant to pick up
[14:33] <Laney> laney@nightingale> GET http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz | xzcat | grep-dctrl -sPackage,Version,Task -FPackage -X realmd
[14:33] <Laney> Package: realmd
[14:33] <Laney> Version: 0.16.3-3
[14:33] <Laney> laney@nightingale>                                                                                ~
[14:37] <seb128> Laney, do you remember when the current +1 rotation started?
[14:37] <seb128> hellsworth, I'm alright thanks!
[14:37] <Laney> around start of cycle or a week before
[14:37] <Laney> ish
[14:38] <seb128> hellsworth, btw you did one week but have another to do in theory which I think we didn't plan, unsure when the current rotation is ending though
[14:38] <hellsworth> i would love to!!!
[14:38] <seb128> you could do one next week or the week after?
[14:38] <seb128> unsure how busy you are with other things
[14:38] <hellsworth> next week i move and my life will be kind of crazy. but the following week would be good
[14:39] <Laney> I need to put another one in too
[14:39] <seb128> k, let me check with Matthieu if that's still in this rotation period
[14:39] <seb128> I never know where to check, if there is a place
[14:39] <Laney> there's a calendar but it doesn't actually list the rotation periods
[14:39] <Laney> would be a good suggestion to add those as events on there
[14:40] <hellsworth> seb: next week is bad, the week after is good, the week after is bad, any future weeks are good
[14:40] <seb128> k, let's try for the week after next
[14:40] <seb128> thanks!
[14:40] <hellsworth> awesome!
[14:42] <seb128> oh also, waht's the status of the glimpse-editor snap build fixes? ;)
[14:42] <seb128> that's still having a backlog on the trello USN rebuilds!
[14:42] <seb128> and the cherrytree one is also on there
[14:42] <jibel> Laney, when you look at the build log, it's ignored because it is not in the germinated seed
[14:44] <jibel> Laney, updates is not considered by germinate and for germinate the package doesn't exist
[14:45] <hellsworth> seb128: the glimpse-editor fixes requires some back and forth with upstream but one of my 3 PRs to fix the builds were merged yesterday. I expect the others to be merged today or soon
[14:45] <hellsworth> cherrytree is building so I'll go look at why it's still there
[14:47] <Laney> jibel: I see it, but I don't think this germinate output is used for seeding debs, that is using apt-cache inside the chroot looking at the indexes that it got from the Ubuntu archive
[14:47] <Laney> we can try a test build to be sure if you want
[14:50] <jibel> sure, how do we do that?
[14:52] <jibel> isn't the live task generated from the list of germinated packages?
[14:52] <Laney> yes, but that's done at the archive level by lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[14:52] <Laney> and then expressed as a Task header in the Packages file
[14:53] <Laney> testing> I'll upload to a PPA, that's the first step
[14:53] <Laney> then I have to remember how to use the API to make livefs builds
[14:55] <seb128> hellsworth, thanks! cherrytree seems it's arm64 being outdated, so either that fails to build and needs fixing or the binaries on that arch need to be deleted from the store
[14:55] <hellsworth> i will look at that today!
[14:55] <seb128> hellsworth, oh, and i386 but those should probably be deleted
[14:55] <seb128> thx
[14:56] <seb128> it would clear a stack for trello cards
[14:56] <hellsworth> oh i know what happened. fixing it real quick
[14:56] <seb128> great!
[15:01] <Laney> jibel: it is building in https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/ubuntu/livefs
[15:02] <Laney> once I re-figure out how to make the livefs build I will share the knowledge with you
[15:35] <jibel> Laney, thanks!
[16:25] <hellsworth> seb the cherrytree snaps in the store are updated now (no more i386 either). and those trello cards will automatically close, right?
[16:26] <hellsworth> seb128: ^
[16:27] <seb128> hellsworth, lol, I was about to write that that my script listed them to close and that it's done now, thanks for fixing!
[16:28] <hellsworth> ha great!
[16:29] <seb128> we still have a few that didn't build for a while but we are getting there
[16:34] <hellsworth> indeed!
[16:51] <Laney> jibel: https://launchpad.net/~laney/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu/+build/275004 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9BZ9JPsJPw/
[16:52] <Laney> (whoops, ignore 8)
[17:06] <jibel> seb128, your MP has been merged and built https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa-jenkins/+archive/ubuntu/canonical-platform-qa-jenkins-prod/+build/21539931
[17:06] <jibel> seb128, I'll deploy it on the server as soon as it's published
[17:27] <jibel> seb128, and done
[17:52] <seb128> jibel, thanks!


[00:03] <kgunn> we have some packages...if you wanna test on an n4, n7, n10...just flash the latest image from --channel=devel-proposed
[00:03] <kgunn> then make the image writable (adb shell, then #touch /userdata/.writable_image)
[00:03] <kgunn> don't forget to connect to wifi (phablet-network)
[00:04] <kgunn> then adb shell...logon as phablet user, # sudo -u phablet -i
[00:04] <kgunn> then sudo apt-add-respository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-008
[00:04] <kgunn> then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install
[00:05] <kgunn> libmirclient7 libmirclientplatform-android libmirplatform libmirplatformgraphics-android libmirprotobuf0
[00:05] <kgunn> libmirserver20 mir-utils libplatform-api1-hybris libplatform-hardware-api1-hybris libubuntu-application-api-mirclient1 libubuntu-application-api-mirserver1
[00:05] <kgunn> libubuntu-application-api1 libubuntu-platform-hardware-api1 qthybris qtubuntu-android libunity-mir1 unity-system-compositor
[00:05] <kgunn> ...reboot the device
[00:06] <kgunn> do some exploratory testing, note...go back to fresh image if you think you found an issue to double check
[00:06] <kgunn> also, you can test on desktop as well...almost the same process, except for picking mesa instead of android for the lib install
[00:07] <kgunn> if you wanna test, but not sure what to do on the devices...just follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlans/Mir
[00:07] <kgunn> thanks!
[00:08] <kgunn> any oddities...ping me or camako or any of the other mir guys here (kdub, anpok, AlbertA etc)
[00:08] <AlbertA> in pastebin format:
[00:08] <AlbertA> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7583845/
[00:08] <kgunn> thanks AlbertA
[00:09] <kgunn> note: it'll be a short window...assuming all is good, we'll land tomorrow
[01:08] <josharenson> Anyone tested on nex7
[01:08] <josharenson> I'm having bad issues
[01:09] <kgunn> josharenson: what kind ?
[01:09] <josharenson> I added the ppa, did a dist upgrade (which failed). I resolved the failure, and the screen won't turn on. Tried the exact same method w/ a clean flash and got same results.
[01:10] <josharenson> kgunn, let me look at logs/dmesg
[01:10] <kgunn> josharenson: did you try just a clean flash first...to make sure n7 isn't having issues clean ?
[01:10] <josharenson> kgunn, well thats what I tried second
[01:11] <josharenson> saw same thing.. device is responsive via cli, but screen won't turn on
[01:11] <kgunn> josharenson: oh, that's what you meant "clean flash"
[01:11] <kgunn> josharenson: lemme flash real quick here
[01:12] <AlbertA> what does /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log say?
[01:13] <kgunn> josharenson: curious also, did you do ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed --bootstrap ?
[01:13] <kgunn> or something else ?
[01:13] <josharenson> alberta http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7584119/
[01:14] <josharenson> kgunn, just devel
[01:14] <josharenson> kgunn, I can try w/ proposed
[01:14] <kgunn> josharenson: mos def
[01:14] <kgunn> the last 3 were nasty
[01:15] <josharenson> only other remarkable thing was '# phablet-network' never returned correctly... had to set up wifi manually... could be my wifi situation though on my host machine
[01:15] <kgunn> well..i guess, devel should be an ok image...
[01:15] <AlbertA> umm closing session-0...
[01:15] <AlbertA> that's shouldn't happen
[01:15] <kgunn> yeah...that log looks not so great
[01:16] <josharenson> flashing devel-proposed... gotta download it so stay tuned
[01:16] <josharenson> brb in 5
[01:18] <AlbertA> it looks like terminal is acting wonky, I'm not getting copy/paste things
[01:19] <AlbertA> with clean image
[01:20] <AlbertA> phablet-screenshot is broken
[01:20] <kgunn> AlbertA: copy/paste has been broken for last few images...
[01:21] <kgunn> i filed a handful of bugs
[01:22] <kgunn> the latest was the worst... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1321034
[01:22] <AlbertA> is the phablet-screenshot broken filed? or where would I file that?
[01:23] <kgunn> AlbertA: unsure if phalet-screenshot already broken...wonder if split greeter might have broke it ?
[01:23] <AlbertA> kgunn: it must have been broken since 0.1.9
[01:23] <AlbertA> since we changed the default tmp file name
[01:23] <AlbertA> for screencasting
[01:23] <kgunn> AlbertA: or...didn't chris move the endpoint from /tmp/mir_socket to run/mir_socket
[01:23] <kgunn> if that may effect it
[01:24] <AlbertA> it seems to be file name only currently
[01:24] <RAOF> If lightdm had landed, sure?
[01:24] <RAOF> I didn't change the defaults, only what lightdm was specifying, so there shouldn't be any transition issues; lightdm will both ask for /run/mir_socket and tell unity8 to use /run/mir_socket at the same time.
[01:25] <AlbertA> kgunn: vis "remote object '/tmp/mir_screencast_768x1280.rgba' does not exist"
[01:25] <AlbertA> kgunn: this is on a clean image
[01:25] <kgunn> AlbertA: oh, then yeah...its busted :)
[01:25] <kgunn> already
[01:25] <kgunn> unsure if there's a bug
[01:27] <kgunn> josharenson: my clean N7 flash coming up ok here...
[01:28] <josharenson> with devel or devel-proposed
[01:28] <josharenson> ?
[01:28] <kgunn> josharenson: devel-proposed
[01:30] <kgunn> running unity8 AP test, gonna step away for a bit...back in a while
[01:31] <josharenson> ill let you know what happens, download just finished. I'm about to leave for dinner though.
[01:32] <kgunn> josharenson: no worries, its not a mandate
[01:32]  * kgunn makes note to fire josharenson
[01:33] <josharenson> lol ok
[01:38] <AlbertA> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1326191 for phablet tools...
[01:44] <josharenson> kgunn, alberta. Didn't get any errors w/ the dist-upgrade this time. UI comes up after a reboot, all looks well.
[01:44] <camako> that's good news..
[01:55] <camako> AlbertA, on N4 windows carousel (I think that's what it's called -- when you have windows stacked at an angle), is the background supposed to be solid black?
[04:12] <RAOF> Heh. Mir's support for external touchscreens isn't currently great, but then again neither is X's :)
[05:23] <anpok> RAOF: hi!
[05:24] <RAOF> anpok: Yo!
[05:25] <RAOF> What can I do you for?
[06:36] <anpok> RAOF: i followed the code path of gbm initialization, and now I am back where I started looking..
[06:37] <anpok> which is the pipe-loader module
[06:37] <anpok> I now try to add swrast as a fallback if no vendor id matches..
[06:44] <anpok> no problems so far .. just distractions, that should be gone today
[06:48] <RAOF> anpok: Sweet
[11:14] <alan_g> alf_: @std::this_thread::yield() - interesting. It tempts me to try to root cause the bug.
[11:38] <alan_g> dandrader: Are you picking up https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/trusted_sessions/+merge/221191/comments/531459?
[11:42] <dandrader> alan_g, I know close to nothing about trusted sessions
[11:43] <alan_g> dandrader: ack. Finger trouble. Sorry
[11:45]  * alan_g wonders where dednick is today
[11:46] <dandrader> alan_g, enjoying holidays in Malta :)
[11:47] <dandrader> alan_g, I think Saviq might have taken over his work...
[11:51] <Saviq> alan_g, yeah, he's off, back on Monday, I was meaning to ping you - I built all the packages for trusted sessions, but it seems something moved and u-s-c crashes on startup, was just getting some symbols
[11:53] <alan_g> Saviq: OK. I'll deal with the trivial coding stuff on trust sessions - but there are "why" questions I can't answer.
[11:54] <Saviq> alan_g, sure
[13:09] <AlbertA> camako: yes I see a black background on a clean image
[13:09] <AlbertA> camako: on the carousel thingy
[14:01] <racarr__> Morning
[14:03] <anpok> hi
[14:07] <camako> I'm compiling the test results for the 0.2.0 release. If anyone wants to share their results, let me know... Thank you.
[14:42] <racarr__> Does anyone have a good solution for syncing working directories + some extra files (i.e. .bashrc) etc between computers
[14:43] <racarr__> Trying to get laptop/desktop more seamless.
[14:43] <racarr__> actually I guess technically im piddling around while android source tree builds :p
[14:44] <alan_g> racarr__: I just use rsync.
[14:45] <racarr__> alan_g: Mm...something transparent would be nice though
[14:46] <alan_g> chron?
[14:46] <alan_g> *cron
[14:46] <racarr__> haha no like some magic combination of file watches and rsync
[14:47] <racarr__> i.e. I am editing a file on my desktop then I come back from making tea and start editing on my laptop because who remembers what they were doing 5 minutes ago
[14:47] <racarr__> and its already there
[14:47] <alan_g> Ah! NFS
[14:47]  * alan_g ducks
[14:48] <racarr__> hahaha
[14:48] <racarr__> closer...
[14:48] <racarr__> I need a better offline degredation story though
[14:49] <racarr__> I guess its just a distributed file system
[14:49] <racarr__> clearly a job for hadoop
[14:49] <anpok> git?
[14:49] <racarr__> in the cloud
[14:49] <racarr__> anpok: Yeah I think git is the answer lol. but I want a series of scripts to like configure certain directories to be watched
[14:50] <racarr__> and handle the merging and perhaps even pop things up in my face if there are conflicts, etc
[14:52] <AlbertA> racarr__: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[14:56] <racarr__> AlbertA: Hey that sounds like it! Thanks
[14:57] <racarr__> imma try it out this evening....
[15:00] <racarr__> standup?
[15:03] <racarr__> anpok: Standup ?
[15:09] <anpok> racarr__: had to fiddle with usb cables of nexus 10 didnt want to stop the test
[15:27] <camako> anpok: my N10 won't boot... Do you think you can run the unity8 AP test on N10 from a clean reboot?
[15:28] <anpok> yup
[15:28] <camako> thanks
[15:29] <camako> AlbertA, would you mind running the unity8 AP test on N7 from a clean reboot?
[15:38] <AlbertA> camako: sure, what's the command?
[15:38] <camako> AlbertA, (on the host) phablet-test-run -n -p unity8-autopilot unity8
[15:40] <camako> anpok, AlbertA (in the spirit of "a good deed never goes unpunished"   :-)  ) could you also run the browser test (also from clean reboot)?
[15:40] <camako> phablet-test-run -p webbrowser-app-autopilot webbrowser_app
[15:41] <AlbertA> ok
[15:43] <anpok> ok
[15:43] <anpok> the unity test is still running
[15:44] <anpok> (had to restart because i touched the cable [again])
[16:19] <anpok> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7588537/
[16:19] <anpok> it looked like the unity8 instance was hanging.
[16:21] <anpok> camako: ^ ... now runnig webbrowser tests
[16:23] <camako> anpok, thanks... doesn't seem to happen on N4.. strange.
[16:24] <camako> anpok, oh... and does this happen without mir 0.2.0?
[16:52] <kdub_> alf_, with https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/unify-db-optimizations/+merge/221965/comments/531585
[16:52] <kdub_> did you mean the logic in bypass.cpp or mgm::DisplayBuffer::post_renderables_if_optimizable() ?
[17:01] <racarr__> lol...deadlock on cursor spike phase 4 was brackets around lock scope
[17:01] <racarr__> being deleted in merge
[17:15] <camako> racarr__,  yikes!
[17:26] <alf_> kdub_: both I guess, it seems the code is less straightforward than it could for what it needs to do
[17:26] <alf_> kdub_: (but that's only a note, not meant to be blocking)
[17:27] <kdub_> alf_, sure, and I agree it still has scars from the old scene interface it was implemented around first
[17:54] <anpok> camako: webbrowser tests on n10 ran OK
[17:54] <camako> anpok... sounds good. Thanks for your help.
[17:54] <anpok> hm can I simply downgrade

[18:12] <anpok> k trying 0.1.9
[18:27] <anpok> hm 6 failures o_O
[18:56] <anpok> camako: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7589540/ this is from 0.1.9
[18:57] <anpok> there also the same one that fails on 0.2.0 fails
[18:59] <camako> anpok, wow.. I guess we're in good shape with 0.2.0 then :-)
[18:59] <camako> thanks for your help
[21:12] <kgunn> hey, has anyone updated from utopic and had weird cursor-jumping-around issues?
[21:12] <kgunn> i'm not running xmir
[21:12] <kgunn> something definitely weird
[21:34] <kgunn> camako: forgot to mention, also, after we release mir0.2.0, and jenkins puts new info in the changelog on trunk...you'll need to remerge trunk back onto devel to pick that up....
[21:34] <kgunn> just keep a watchful eye to make sure that's the only thing coming back onto devel (e.g. the 2 reverts shouldn't obviously)
[21:34] <camako> kgunn, ack
[21:36] <camako> kgunn, no need to merge it back to 0.2 branch, is there?
[21:39] <kgunn> camako: nope
[21:48] <camako> Thanks for everyone helping with the testing. Testing is now complete and the release is ready to be merged.
[22:20] <kgunn> i'm gonna run this smemstat on my phone for the next 5 hours....lets see what happens
[23:48] <racarr__>  no meeting today either?
[23:55] <RAOF> racarr__: I've got a notification for one at 11?
[23:55] <RAOF> racarr__: ...on next Tuesday :)
[23:55] <RAOF> racarr__: So, as you were :)


[10:59] <pavlushka> Nahiyan: been there? in the parade?
[11:00] <pavlushka> Hello everyone & Kilos :)
[15:06] <pavlushka> welcome zaki
[15:16] <zaki> hi pavlushka


[03:38] <bjsnider> i'm trying to submit updated scripts so gecko-mediaplayer will build in raring, but i can't find the lp branch
[03:38] <bjsnider> assuming there is one. otherwise i don't know what the procedure would be
[03:40] <bjsnider> it will not build now due to changes in the gecko sdk
[04:04] <trism> bjsnider: lp:ubuntu/gecko-mediaplayer , seems to still build though
[04:04] <bjsnider> where's the buildlog?
[04:10] <bjsnider> i think it was just copied over from an early quantal build
[04:11] <trism> bjsnider: yeah it was, I just rebuilt it locally, if you mean the build failure from quantal, that was fixed in 1.0.6-1ubuntu2
[04:14] <bjsnider> wait
[04:14] <bjsnider>  i just checked the changelog
[04:15] <bjsnider> someone already implemented the changes i was going to propose
[04:15] <bjsnider> that's good
[04:23] <bjsnider> i knew about the problem and the fix weeks before the build failure happened and the bug and fix were submitted. it seems like it would have been good if i had been notified of the build failure when it happened
[04:25] <bjsnider> well, about one week anyway
[04:48] <persia> bjsnider: You might look at the FTBFS page source for some code that does polling of build failures, and then run something similar that drives some notification system for the packages about which you wish to be notified.
[04:49] <persia> That said, most folk who have such knowledge post fixes to the upstream VCS or bug tracker (depending), which fixes are often cherrypicked by those Ubuntu developers working on FTBFS who prefer research to rediscovery.
[05:05] <mah454> I Compiled new kernel and switch to this , but consoles [tty1-6] (Ctrl+Alt+F[123456]) not work !
[05:05] <mah454> How can find problem and fix it ?
[05:05] <mah454> all options on drivers -> character devices enabled ...
[06:59] <TomFlint> hello
[14:31] <queency> hello all : can you tell me where is the logs of start-stop-daemon ?
[14:38] <infinity> queency: It doesn't log, its callers are responsible for logging, if appropriate.
[14:41] <queency> How can i direct the output to my open terminal ?
[15:00] <lfaraone> queency: this quesiton may be better answered in #ubuntu
[15:00] <lfaraone> "/script exec $ENV{'TZ'}='<nameofyourtimezone>';"
[17:02] <micahg> stgraber: https://code.launchpad.net/~vericalcroft/ubuntu/quantal/classmate-initramfs/added-misc-depends/+merge/125442 to WIP/rejected please
[17:26] <stgraber> micahg: done
[17:26] <micahg> stgraber: thanks
[21:44] <DNS> hi.. how to add an entry to the ubuntu software center, or in other words how to make it visible? is this info stored in a .desktop file?
[21:50] <DNS> should i rephrase? not sure if my question was clear
[21:52] <jtaylor> I think the info is in the desktop file
[21:53] <DNS> hm
[22:00] <DNS> do the icons in usc need to have min size?
[22:00] <DNS> probably
[22:00] <DNS> anyone knows which size exactly?
[22:01] <cjwatson> BenC: Looking at your linux-ppc package - since this is to be the primary set of kernels for powerpc, shouldn't it generate linux-libc-dev, not linux-ppc-libc-dev?  Otherwise libc won't actually end up depending on it, and will probably become uninstallable when we try to drop the NBS binaries from linux
[22:01] <DNS> or max size
[22:01] <cjwatson> BenC: Also, there's some debian/*/DEBIAN cruft
[22:01] <BenC> cjwatson: It's not going to generate that package at all
[22:01] <cjwatson> Indeed some general unclean-source-type stuff
[22:01] <cjwatson> BenC: Not going to generate which package?
[22:01] <BenC> cjwatson: the master linux package is still building linux-libc-dev
[22:02] <cjwatson> For all architectures, really?
[22:02] <jtaylor> DNS: the smallest size in share/icons is 16x16 I guess thats the minimum
[22:02] <cjwatson> I thought it wasn't going to build on powerpc at all any more
[22:02] <BenC> cjwatson: linux-ppc-libc-dev may show in the control file, but the rules have it forced to not build (in linux-ppc)
[22:02] <cjwatson> Oh, what do you know, it's still there.  OK
[22:02] <BenC> cjwatson: I talked with apw and rtg and we decided it was best to have it still built from linux.master
[22:02]  * cjwatson peers at linux
[22:03] <cjwatson> OK, gotcha.  5-minute linux build on powerpc, that's gotta be a first
[22:03] <psusi> it fail to build? ;)
[22:03] <BenC> Yeah, very tame :)
[22:05] <cjwatson> psusi: successful, but building only headers
[22:06] <cjwatson> BenC: Do you think you could fix up base-installer at some point to know about the new kernel names and conditions for using them?
[22:06] <cjwatson> It has a test suite and everything these days ;-)
[22:06] <BenC> cjwatson: Yeah, definitely
[22:07] <BenC> cjwatson: Is does base-installer cover livecd and alternate installer?
[22:08] <cjwatson> Latter yes, former sort of mostly
[22:08] <cjwatson> Probably simplest if I advise once I see the base-installer diff
[22:09] <cjwatson> Are the new kernel flavours for actual different subarchitectures (i.e. the existing powerpc-smp and powerpc64-smp won't boot), or are they optimised?
[22:09] <BenC> cjwatson: Also, I'll be working on grub-kexec starting tomorrow, since the e500* kernels depend on this missing package
[22:10] <cjwatson> OK
[22:10] <cjwatson> Hm, so that will block this from getting into raring which will in turn block the master kernels ...
[22:10] <cjwatson> I might end up forcing that for now
[22:10] <cjwatson> (NEWed, anyway, so it can build overnight)
[22:10] <BenC> Actual different sub-architectures. The regular kernels won't boot on e500* and the e500* kernels only work on those systems
[22:11] <BenC> Thanks
[22:11] <cjwatson> OK, so you end up with a ginormous live CD if you want that to boot on everything
[22:11] <cjwatson> I guess
[22:11] <BenC> Recommends: grub-kexec
[22:11] <cjwatson> Oh, that's OK then
[22:11] <BenC> Might be ok, since it isn't depends?
[22:11] <cjwatson> We're still waiting for linux-lowlatency to be updated anyway
[22:12] <BenC> cjwatson: yeah, and I'm unsure if we should just create a new CD for e500* or not
[22:12] <cjwatson> Can they handle DVDs?
[22:12] <cjwatson> Or USB?
[22:13] <BenC> USB, DVD if you have a USB capable external (our system doesn't have any CD/DVD media built-in)
[22:13] <cjwatson> If so I'd be inclined to suggest just bloating the image, as otherwise you're going to end up increasing the test matrix for any Ubuntu flavour including powerpc
[22:13] <BenC> I'm all for that
[22:13] <BenC> bloating the image, that is
[22:13] <cjwatson> anyway, gotta run
[22:14] <BenC> cjwatson: Thanks for processing the packages
[22:14] <cjwatson> np


 I am slowely making the transition. it's gradual
[08:11] <BlockNick> For moments i love ubuntu, and then it does something to piss me off so I boot windows.
[08:14] <BlockNick> I just sold my Accounting firm for $7 mill (nz) am looking for new business options
[08:14] <Burgundavia> interesting
[08:15] <BlockNick> Was hoping to talk to Mark.
[08:15] <Burgundavia> you can email him
[08:15] <BlockNick> address?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/people/sabdfl
[08:16] <BlockNick> What do you do ?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> sales and biz dev for Userful
[08:17] <BlockNick> I did a poo.
[08:17] <Burgundavia> hmm, that was interesting
[08:27] <j-a-meinel> Burgundavia: yeah. I'm pretty sure it was just a troll.  I can't register releases for our distribution - when I go to http://launchpad.net/distros/baltix/+addrelease I get an error message :(
[09:23] <mantiena> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[09:24] <kiko-fud> mantiena, yeah, that's something that we need to sort out; it's not yet possible.
[09:29] <mantiena> kiko-fud, We have this problem more than 8 months :(
[09:30] <kiko-fud> mantiena, it's something that hasn't been dealt with yet; there are some tricky issues with it
[10:32] <mpt_> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[12:09] <zwnj> hi kiko-zzz


[00:58] <c_smith> question: has gnome-software landed in 16,04 of this flavor? I know it's not in mainline 16.04 (outside of a ppa last time I checked)
[07:30] <vermithius> Hi, I need help installing ubuntu gnome on my desktop computer. I start the install and it pops up with a window saying Ubuntu has encountered an unrecoverable error; the whole error seems to be due to a graphics driver problem. I'm using an Nvidia GTX 660.
[09:14] <lindol> hi all
[11:13] <darkduke> hi
[16:24] <jrseliga> Anyone use XDMCP on 15.10?
[20:12] <craysiii> does umake not have an update command?
[22:14] <new123> can gnome 3.18 run on ubuntu?
[22:14] <new123> does it run well?
[23:05] <new123> any plans to remove titlebar from firefox? This option available on Win/OS X would be perfect on Gnome too..


[04:52] <prologic> Can anyone help me debug why cloud-init isn't working here correctly? It only seems to do half of it's job on the creation of a new instance. But if I rm -rf /var/lib/cloud and reboot it does everything
[04:53] <prologic> Problem I have is I already nuked the cloud-init state in my package template before pushing the image and initially creating an instance from it
[04:53] <prologic> this is really baffling me
[05:12] <prologic> Hmm 🤔 I don't get it
[06:58] <meena> prologic: maybe if you post the log from that first run, we could see what's up and help
[06:59] <prologic> umm sure okay, I've pretty much given up for the day with no luck
[06:59] <prologic> I've been scouring through it quite a bit myself
[06:59] <prologic> what would I have been looking for specifically?
[06:59] <prologic> Why does cloud-init clean && reboot work? But an initial boot not?
[07:00] <prologic> I feel like I'm missing something incredibly stupid here :/
[07:11] <prologic> meena here it is https://transfer.mills.io/8hwr8/cloud-init.log
[08:17] <meena> prologic:  did you run cloud-init clean before finishing the package?
[08:23] <prologic> yes
[08:23] <prologic> it's part of the last step in the packer build
[14:19] <Odd_Bloke> prologic: Thanks for the log!  I don't see anything immediately wrong, though a couple of notes: 19.4 is fairly old and Photon support isn't upstream, so this may either be already resolved or an issue for whoever has produced your package.  That said, when you say "It only seems to do half of it's job on the creation of a new instance", what do you mean?  Which parts does it do and which parts does it
[14:19] <Odd_Bloke> not?
[14:20] <prologic> For example it runs the final_message
[14:20] <prologic> I see that in the journal logs
[14:20] <prologic> But none of the write_files get run
[14:20] <prologic> I _believe_ run_cmd(s) run and some other stuff
[14:21] <prologic> it's really weird
[14:21] <Odd_Bloke> prologic: Oh, actually, looking even further, this is also using a datasource that isn't upstream, so we may not be able to get very far in supporting you.  Where is this cloud-init being installed from?
[14:22] <prologic> well cloud-init is a package Photon are installing obviously
[14:22] <prologic> it's part of their ISO from the installer
[14:22] <prologic> I'm just doing a packer build and adding a few bits/pieces we need
[14:22] <prologic> But you are right, the data source is coming from VMGuestInfo from vSphere
[14:23] <prologic> But
[14:23] <prologic> When cloud-init runs on boot I _do_ see the full user-data I expect to see in /var/lib/cloud/instances/.../user-data.txt
[14:23] <Odd_Bloke> Well, I don't really know what Photon is: they haven't engaged with us upstream to my knowledge. :)
[14:23] <prologic> i.e: there is nothing missing form the data source
[14:23] <prologic> https://github.com/vmware/photon
[14:24] <prologic> My understanding is, it's just a repackaged/rebranded CentOS distribution optimized for running containers (although that's quite questionable IHMO)
[14:32] <Odd_Bloke> prologic: I see the 'init' stage running twice in that log: do you know why that's happening?
[14:33] <prologic> unfortuantely no
[14:35] <Odd_Bloke> OK, I'd suggest looking into systemd units to see if you can figure that out: that's not how we ship cloud-init upstream so it could be leading to strange behaviour.  If Photon are doing that, then I'm afraid you'll have to take it up with them.
[14:35] <prologic> How is cloud-init normally run btw?
[14:35] <prologic> With or without SystemD's help?
[14:36]  * prologic grumbles about how much he loathes SystemD
[14:37] <prologic> And also; (if you can help explain this, or maybe it might give you a clue?) If run cloud-init clean && reboot
[14:37] <prologic> The vm comes back with all the things in the user-data correctly run
[14:38] <prologic> it's just on the first boot it doesn't (i.e: terraform apply -> vsphere create vm blah)
[14:38] <prologic> this is the behaviour I really don't get at all
[14:38] <Odd_Bloke> cloud-init runs in 5 stages (the first of which is optional and only supported by systemd), you can read more at https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/boot.html
[14:40] <Odd_Bloke> So your init system needs to be invoking cloud-init in the right order and at the right points in boot: if Photon's packaging hasn't hooked that up as upstream expects, then it's not surprising that we would see strange behaviour.
[14:41] <Odd_Bloke> As for why a `clean` fixes it: I'm not sure, but I think the root cause of why the first boot doesn't work is likely related to the multiple runs of `init` so I think investigating that is the best place to start.
[14:42] <prologic> Ok.
[14:42] <prologic> Thanks very much for this insight.
[14:43] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[14:43] <Odd_Bloke> Let us know how you get on!
[14:45] <prologic> Sure will do
[14:46] <prologic> But at this point if I try Photon v4 that that exhibits the same behaviour, I'm a bit unwilling to go debug this for VMWare :/
[14:46] <prologic> I might have to decide whether running Photon as our base os for docker is really a good cohice
[15:07] <Krikke> how is one supposed to use the network config? does it also require a magic comment at the top of the file?
[15:08] <Krikke> https://pastebin.com/rQXm7eMY
[15:13] <Krikke> lol just realized you can mount the iso :)
[15:13] <Krikke> seems at least network-config exists there
[15:14] <Krikke> netplan is also installed I think, it's an archlinux openstack image
[15:14] <Krikke> if it's not an dependecy for something I'm installing
[15:15] <Krikke> required by: cloud-init
[15:15] <Krikke> and I'm not installing that explicitly
[15:23] <Krikke> ah, removing the networking: from the start did the trick
[16:55] <jas02> Hello guys, I am having problem with cloud-init and ssh public key. What am I doing wrong? https://gist.github.com/jas02/868ab330e05b126e909934238e587607
[17:06] <jas02> Figured it out, it woks now
[17:35] <dwigton> In ubuntu 20.04 server, if I add some settings in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d chould they automatically run on reboot or is that a seperate setting? Asking because it didn't take effect until I did "cloud-init clean" "cloud-init init" That seemed a bit overkill.
[17:36] <dwigton> I don't particularly want new server keys everytime I make a change.
[21:54] <blackboxsw> falcojr: and Odd_Bloke I finally came out of a tunnel/hole on integration tests for Azure handling case-insensitive product UUID across kernel upgrades. I *think* I've got my ducks in a row on this. but wanted some feedback on better debugging what's going on here
[21:55] <blackboxsw> just pushed ba8e07159b748228eb2bbf5d807cbc2956e535f5 to https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/798
[21:58] <blackboxsw> oops n/m the help debugging. I didn't realize that there is repeated information exposing and reporting the user_data that I provided to the test case.
[21:58] <blackboxsw> I just hadn't scrolled up far enough to see a real traceback
[22:00] <falcojr> glad I could help ;)
[22:12] <Odd_Bloke> Good work falcojr.
[23:54] <Krikke> wait cloud-init is canonical's?