[00:01] <apachelogger>     // FIXME: This code seems to be nonfunctional - it needs to be fixed somewhere (is it Qt BUG?)
[00:01] <apachelogger>     QDBusConnection::systemBus().connect(service, path, interface, name,
[00:01] <apachelogger>                                          q, SLOT(dbusFilter(const QDBusMessage &)));
[00:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:05]  * apachelogger sighs
[00:06]  * apachelogger cries
[00:08] <BarkingFish> morning guys :)  Just a quick check - is it ok for me to add untrusted ppa's into kubuntu while I'm beta testing?  The last thing I want to do is break stuff or wind up losing my install.
[00:11] <apachelogger> ppas are always a risk
[00:14] <BarkingFish> yeah, that's what I thought.  I'm looking to try hexchat as an irc client, since its url to browser capability isn't broken, like xchat's - but we don't have hexchat prepackaged.
[00:14] <BarkingFish> hexchat.org has it as a ppa though
[00:16] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: use konversatin
[00:16] <apachelogger> konversation
[00:16] <apachelogger> it has the best ever written url parser
[00:16] <BarkingFish> does konversation support sasl authentication?
[00:17] <BarkingFish> until april, I have to connect to IRC using Tor/Sasl, so whatever client I use needs to be able to handle sasl or i'm stuck
[00:17] <apachelogger> konversation can do all and everything
[00:18] <apachelogger> http://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Configuring_SASL_authentication
[00:18] <apachelogger> they even have nice documentation
[00:18] <BarkingFish> right, that's definitely worth looking at then.
[00:18] <BarkingFish> If it beats the hell out of xchat or quassel, I am sold :)
[01:44] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1131166] package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131166 (by kmkale)
[06:53] <soee> any idea why notifications or panel have no shadows ?
[09:11] <agateau> ScottK: apachelogger: just commented on bug 1092910
[09:12] <agateau> ScottK: the MI plasma does not have any maintainer right now, unfortunately
[10:14] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1131647] Python version mismatches causes "Could not create script engine" errors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131647 (by Cole Mickens)
[10:15] <Riddell> yay webkit compiled on arm
[10:15] <yofel_> c++ headers are missing though
[10:15] <shadeslayer> huzzah
[10:16] <yofel_>  /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.1/stage/part/ui/KPrHtmlExportDialog.h:26:29: fatal error: QtWebKit/QWebPage: No such file or directory
[10:16] <Riddell> yofel_: still?
[10:16] <yofel_> http://paste.kde.org/678212
[10:17] <yofel_> that's 2.3-0ubuntu2
[10:18] <Riddell> yofel: you mean it's missing QWebPage vs qwebpage.h?
[10:19] <yofel> yes
[10:20] <yofel> it's missing those capitalized c++-style headers
[10:21] <Riddell> yeah, let me try again
[11:43] <Quintasan> Hi
[13:17] <yofel> JontheEchidna: when muon-updater needs to install/remove packages, is it intentional that the packages to be installed are listed above those that are to be removed?
[13:18] <yofel> maybe I'm just making our users look stupid, but maybe switching that would make people more aware of what's happening
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Hiya all
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Hello
[14:11] <mikhas> Riddell, perhaps you should tell them it's Kubuntu, not QUbuntu: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtubuntu/trunk/view/head:/src/platforms/ubuntulegacy/window.cc
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Bah Riddell can you fix powerpc for qtwebkit-source? It's killing the calligra build (i386) for one day already and I don't want it to fail until 2.6.2 gets released:P
[14:27]  * smartboyhw is really wondering why is packaging an application like calligra so difficult:P
[14:38] <yofel> smartboyhw: the calligra failure has nothing to do with powerpc
[14:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, than what?
[14:38] <yofel> the -dev package is still missing files
[14:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, missing what files?
[14:38]  * smartboyhw opens the buildlog
[14:38] <yofel>  /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.1/stage/part/ui/KPrHtmlExportDialog.h:26:29: fatal error: QtWebKit/QWebPage: No such file or directory
[14:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, anyway to fix?
[14:39] <yofel> yeah, fix qtwebkit-source. Riddell was looking at it though I think
[14:39]  * smartboyhw waits for eternity
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer apachelogger yofel what devices do you want to port to Ubuntu Touch?
[14:40] <yofel> what's ubuntu touch? (the only touch device I have is a nexus 7)
[14:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, well Ubuntu for phones + tablets
[14:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, and it works for Nexus 7 now:P
[14:41] <yofel> ah, well, we do want to have a plasma-active image at least for the nexus7
[14:41] <yofel> unity on the nexus7 didn't really work out in quantal here ^^
[14:41] <smartboyhw> yofel, of course:P
[14:41] <smartboyhw> yofel, try Ubuntu Touch yo see if it works
[15:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: about?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, about?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> !?
[15:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: "are you about?"
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[15:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I have a qtwebkit build with the headers fixed
[15:31] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libqtwebkit-dev_2.3-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[15:31]  * smartboyhw finds that simplified version extremely weird
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, great
[15:31] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libqtwebkit4_2.3-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[15:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but rekonq still doesn't compile
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, rekonq!?
[15:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: first thing I thought of that used qtwebkit
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh
[15:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: want to see if I'm missing anything?
[15:34] <Riddell> I'm installing those packages
[15:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[15:34] <Riddell> then dpkg --install the old libqtwebkit-dev
[15:34] <Riddell> rekonq cmake works fine
[15:35] <Riddell> and replacing each part of libqtwebkit-dev with the new files from libqtwebkit-dev_2.3
[15:35] <Riddell> but I can't track it down
[15:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: want to try something similar to see if you have any luck?
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, problem: I am about to sleep soon
[15:36] <Riddell> ach it's the weekend :)
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, not that problem
[15:37] <smartboyhw> It's 11:37 PM here:P
[15:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hoorah, I got it
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how about powerpc?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> We don't care about it
[15:46] <smartboyhw> But it's good to have it build too
[15:46] <Riddell> don't know, don't really care
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[15:47] <Riddell> there's ment to be a powerpc team for people who want to care about powerpc
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I saw in one of your blueprints you want powerpc builds
[15:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:47] <Riddell> you can try trcking them down
[15:47] <Riddell> not I, I've been for dropping them since my mac died
[15:47] <Riddell> others take the view of "if they work and get tested we might as well release them"
[15:48]  * smartboyhw doesn't care about powerpc either
[15:56]  * Riddell just had a random phone call from someone who sounds like a hillbilly american wanting to know if he should use kubuntu
[15:56] <Riddell> I said yes
[15:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[15:57] <Riddell> he said companies in the US were so greedy
[15:58] <Riddell> maybe he was a socialist hillbilly
[16:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Riddell, did he speak with colloquialisms or decent English with a hillbilly accent? ...sometimes the accent fools ppl .
[16:24] <Riddell> BluesKaj: just the accent I think
[16:25] <BluesKaj> Riddell, right ..he .knows enough to look for advice in the right place :)
[16:27] <Riddell> well, to look for my phone number to call me, not quite the right place :)
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Riddell, inconvenient for you but not for him , he got the right answer :)
[16:39] <yofel> grrrrrrrr
[16:39] <yofel> Riddell: can you re-upload qtwebkit please? i386 failed without log and launchpad crashes when I try to retry it
[16:41] <Riddell> yofel: ug
[16:41] <Riddell> yofel: yeah go ahead
[16:42] <Riddell> yofel: oh wait
[16:42] <Riddell> I see my problem
[16:42] <Riddell> another stupid mistake
[16:43] <yofel> ah, *now* the log is there
[16:43] <Riddell> I'll upload a fix, sigh
[17:09] <BluesKaj> BBl
[17:27] <murthy> hello everyone
[17:34] <murthy> http://paste.kde.org/678524/ This is the debian/rules for libdlna. From viewing this can you determine the source format and debhelper version ?
[17:34] <yofel> no, source format is 1.0 unless debian/source/format says otherwise, debhelper compat level is set in debian/compat
[17:36] <murthy> yofel: If i want to convert the source format from 1.0 to 3.0 what should i do?
[17:36] <yofel> 3.0 quilt I guess?
[17:36] <yofel> mkdir debian/source/; echo "3.0 (quilt)" > debian/source/format
[17:37] <murthy> yofel: done that
[17:37] <murthy> yofel: i removed the cdbs from builddeps and also put debhelper >=7 in control
[17:38] <yofel> then make sure the compat level is actually 7, remove all cdbs references from rules and make sure your package still works
[17:38] <yofel> dh7 packaging actually needs debhelper >= 7.0.51 or so, not sure about the exact version
[17:38] <yofel> lintian will tell you ^^
[17:39] <agateau> Riddell: new Ubiquity review for you!
[17:40] <murthy> yofel: i removed everything from the rules files except the default first line and put this "%:  dh $@"
[17:40] <murthy> yofel:  i am getting errors
[17:40] <murthy> yofel: during the build process, it reports about an unknown option for the auto configure
[17:40] <yofel> I would assume so, you'll have to pretty much rewrite rules
[17:41] <murthy> yofel: its something like x86_64_linux_gnu
[17:41] <murthy> yofel: its something like "--build=x86_64_linux_gnu"
[17:42] <yofel> dunno
[17:42] <yofel> (at least not without context)
[17:42] <murthy> yofel: i will give you the link
[17:43] <murthy> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdlna/+bug/1129977
[17:43] <murthy> yofel: read the last comment
[17:43] <yofel> ok, but you could still use cdbs with source format 3
[17:44] <murthy> yofel: in that case i have to remove only this line ? "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk"
[17:45] <murthy> yofel: from here http://paste.kde.org/678524/
[17:45] <yofel> that and add a series file so quilt uses the patches
[17:45] <murthy> yofel: thats is done already
[17:45] <yofel> should work then
[17:45] <murthy> yofel: so the control file should contain the cdbs deps right?
[17:46] <yofel> right
[17:46] <murthy> yofel: also what about the debhelper version requirement?
[17:46] <yofel> hm.....
[17:46] <yofel> 7 will work, that much I can say
[17:47] <yofel> what's compat set to now?
[17:47] <murthy> yofel: the previous default was debhelper (>= 5)
[17:47] <murthy> yofel: 5
[17:47] <yofel> read the debhelper manpage, that shows the changes in the versions
[17:47] <murthy> yofel: ok
[17:50] <murthy> brb
[17:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:40] <murthy> yofel:  libdlna successfully build. http://paste.kde.org/678590/ . I have to go thought the log one more to confirm it. this is the new rules file http://paste.kde.org/678596/
[18:42] <murthy> yofel: so is the new debian/rules ok?
[18:43] <yofel> looking
[18:43] <yofel> you should be able to drop DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIXS too
[18:43] <yofel> "./configure" should be "dh_auto_configure --"
[18:45] <murthy> yofel: but the source contains a .configure
[18:45] <yofel> you still don't call that directly
[18:45] <yofel> dh_auto_configure will do that
[18:46] <yofel> all you need here is pass some options to it
[18:46] <murthy> yofel: i need dh_auto_configure not to use the --build option how can i do that
[18:47] <yofel> murthy: what's the problem with it?
[18:47] <yofel> murthy: if it's actually breaking something you can call .configure
[18:47] <murthy> yofel: its reports --build="x86-64_linux_gnu" as an unknown option
[18:48] <yofel> ah, probably non-standard configure script
[18:48] <murthy> yofel: ya
[18:48] <yofel> then call configure the normal way, just make sure that dh_auto_clean really removes all build flies
[18:48] <yofel> *files
[18:49] <yofel> hm
[18:49] <murthy> yofel: how can i do that?
[18:50] <yofel> calling make distclean in dh_clean it seems?
[18:50] <murthy> yofel: i mean how can i check if auto_clean removes all the build files?
[18:50] <yofel> if I understand "DEB_MAKE_CLEAN_TARGET    := distclean" right
[18:50] <murthy> yofel: ya
[18:50] <murthy> yofel: should i override dh_clean?
[18:51] <yofel> can someone familiar with cdbs answer that? ^
[18:51] <murthy> apachelogger: ^
[18:52] <yofel> murthy: but a different question: *why* are you using a dh7 rules file?
[18:52] <murthy> yofel: to upgrade when ever possible
[18:53] <yofel> it's not like cdbs will vanish anytime soon
[18:53] <murthy> yofel: it was once a mandate which was dropped, if i am not wrong
[18:53] <yofel> sure, but what *breaks* by sticking to cdbs?
[18:53] <murthy> yofel: nothing, but i like to take this forward
[18:54] <murthy> yofel: why not try to update?
[18:54]  * yofel leaves this to someone else then
[18:54] <murthy> yofel: anything wrong>
[18:54] <yofel> murthy: I wouldn't do it since I'm not familiar with cdbs to be confident that I won't introduce bugs in the process
[18:54] <murthy> yofel: ok
[18:55] <yofel> but someone of the folks that have been around longer than me should be able to help you
[18:56] <murthy> yofel: i have the legend for help the apachelogger
[18:56] <murthy> apachelogger: help?
[18:57] <murthy> yofel: are you laughing?
[18:58] <yofel> no, why?
[18:59] <murthy> yofel: I doubt that apachelogger will , after i got him piss off the other day
[18:59] <murthy> yofel: I doubt that apachelogger will *help , after i got him piss off the other day
[19:00] <yofel> this is apachelogger we're talking about, he'll forgive you eventually
[19:00] <murthy> yofel: that would be very nice
[19:01] <apachelogger> my quassel is all orange
[19:01] <apachelogger> why is my quassel all orange?
[19:01] <apachelogger> what's with all the orange
[19:02] <murthy> apachelogger: hi
[19:02] <apachelogger> helos
[19:02] <murthy> apachelogger: how are you today?
[19:03] <murthy> apachelogger: yofel has some doubts :)
[19:03] <apachelogger> I  bought me some guinness today \o/
[19:03] <apachelogger> <- happy lion
[19:03] <murthy> apachelogger: nice
[19:04] <murthy> apachelogger: I am like a ginne myself, except i try programming
[19:04] <apachelogger> so what's with the highlights?
[19:05] <murthy> yofel: ^
[19:06]  * apachelogger informs yofel that http://paste.kde.org/678596/ is not using cdbs :P
[19:06] <murthy> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdlna/+bug/1129977
[19:06] <murthy> apachelogger: I am asked to convert to 3.0
[19:07] <apachelogger> jolly pointless
[19:07] <murthy> apachelogger: and also i like to update it to 7+
[19:07] <apachelogger> yeah well
[19:07] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc && dpkg-buildpackage -S
[19:08] <apachelogger> if it fails or creates a patch that was not intended your clean target is not complete
[19:08] <yofel> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/678596/ is his port of http://paste.kde.org/678524/
[19:08] <apachelogger> if not then the rules look fine
[19:08] <apachelogger> yofel: dh7 probably calls distclean anyway
[19:08] <yofel> oh, right, one can do that...
[19:08] <apachelogger> e.g. autotools stuff often requires distclean
[19:09] <yofel> yeah
[19:10] <murthy> apachelogger: when using the default dh_auto_configure , i get an error message about an unknow option --build="x86_64_linux_gnu" how can i disable that option
[19:11] <apachelogger> you simply don't call dh_auto_configure?
[19:11] <yofel> use ./configure as you did at first
[19:11] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:11] <apachelogger> also you should probably send a mail to upstream
[19:11] <apachelogger> if --build is not recognized they either broke something or their autogen is like ancient
[19:12] <murthy> apachelogger: ok
[19:13] <murthy> apachelogger: so for now the new debian/rules that i created is ok?
[19:13] <murthy> apachelogger: here is the build log http://paste.kde.org/678590/
[19:14] <apachelogger> if the clean target is complete
[19:15] <murthy> apachelogger: i have to check that
[19:17] <murthy> apachelogger: how can i check if the clean target is complete?
[19:17] <murthy> apachelogger: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc && dpkg-buildpackage -S ?
[19:18] <apachelogger> yes
[19:19] <murthy> apachelogger: building with builder doesn't do that?
[19:19] <murthy> apachelogger: building with pbuilder doesn't do that?
[19:20] <apachelogger> no
[19:20] <murthy> apachelogger: ok i will try that now
[19:25] <murthy> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/678668/ there are no patches in debian/patches
[19:27] <murthy> apachelogger: so is the clean target complete?
[19:34] <yofel> murthy: I don't see the patches mentioned *anywhere* though, can you "export DH_VERBOSE=1" and run it again please?
[19:34] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:36] <murthy> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/678680/
[19:37] <murthy> yofel: there is no series file in /debian/patches
[19:37] <yofel> murthy: different question: are there any patches left?
[19:38] <yofel> murthy: and you said earlier that you created a series file
[19:38] <murthy> yofel: all the patches were applied upstream and so i removed them
[19:39] <murthy> yofel: previously since it was using simple patch there was no series file
[19:39] <yofel> ah ok, then it's fine
[19:39] <murthy> yofel: so the clean target is complete?
[19:39] <yofel> yeah, but I got confused as you said that you created a series file but there were no patches
[19:40] <yofel> murthy: looks like you're fine with the defaults
[19:40] <murthy> yofel: ??
[19:40] <apachelogger> yofel: http://media.moddb.com/images/downloads/1/34/33809/patches.png there you go
[19:41] <apachelogger> where's the shady slayer when you need him -.-
[19:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: P-I-N-G
[19:41] <yofel> apachelogger: stamp that on launchpad :P
[19:41] <yofel> murthy: dh_clean already does everything you need to do, so you don't need to do anything
[19:41] <apachelogger> luuuunchpats
[19:42] <murthy> yofel: nice
[19:42] <apachelogger> oho
[19:42] <apachelogger> launchpatch
[19:42] <apachelogger> trolololo
[19:42]  * apachelogger  goes back to building qt5
[19:42] <murthy> yofel: one last doubt about debian/rules
[19:43] <murthy> yofel: is it ok if i use "./configure $(DEB_CONFIGURE_NORMAL_ARGS) $(DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIXS)" instead of "[ -f config.mak ] || ./configure $(DEB_CONFIGURE_NORMAL_ARGS) $(DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIXS)"
[19:44] <yofel> depends on what config.mak is supposed to be
[19:44] <yofel> if you can imply that it's there, yes
[19:47] <murthy> yofel: since the previous debian/rules http://paste.kde.org/678524/     used this     can i use the same in the new one?
[19:49] <yofel> should work
[19:50] <yofel> I wonder why config.mak would even be there though
[19:52] <murthy> yofel: because of this ? line 65 in here http://paste.kde.org/678680/
[19:52] <murthy> yofel: also line 364
[19:53] <yofel> yeah, that's what I mean - the file should never be there. But maybe it was in some older version.
[19:53] <yofel> just use the same command and it'll work
[19:54] <yofel> murthy: do you have a config.mak after your dpkg-buildpackage -S run?
[19:54] <yofel> (I assume not)
[19:55] <murthy> yofel: no, no such file present
[19:57] <murthy> yofel: should i put something like this to reflect the dh change "switch to dh > "?
[19:57] <murthy> yofel: in the changelog
[19:58] <murthy> yofel: "switch to dh > 7 "
[19:58] <yofel> yes, but a bit more verbose
[19:59] <murthy> yofel: "switch to debhelper version grater than 7" ?
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> yofel: no reason in particular, that's just how they happened to be listed. It does make sense to put removals first though
[20:01] <yofel> murthy: you can use that as a general changelog item, but then please document the individual changes you did
[20:01] <yofel> i.e. changing compat level, build-dep, rules changing, dropping cdbs, ...
[20:02] <murthy> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/678716/
[20:02] <murthy> yofel: thats the changelog now, i will update it now
[20:03] <murthy> will be back after dinner
[20:03] <yofel> JontheEchidna: want a bug report?
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> yofel: it'd be for the best, yeah
[20:04] <yofel> k
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> I'd probably forget otherwise ;-)
[20:04] <yofel> ^^
[20:52]  * yofel retries calligra again
[20:52] <Quintasan_> Now
[20:53] <Quintasan_> that I'm trying to install Kubuntu on my laptop
[20:53] <Quintasan_> I wonder how does one use LVM when not using the entire disk, is it even possible?
[20:53] <yofel> Quintasan: more like: why would you want to do that?
[20:54] <yofel> you usually create partitions *inside* LVM
[20:54] <Quintasan> yofel: Thanks for letting me know about downtime, I have been wondering if it wouldn't be too hard on my iMX53 to run a core
[20:54] <Quintasan> yofel: Oh, well, that's true
[20:54] <Quintasan> the main problem is
[20:54] <Quintasan> Can I install windows then?
[20:54] <yofel> haven't tried it on my raspi. I can tell you that an old Pentium1 166MHz was too slow for quassel ^^ (just barely though)
[20:55] <yofel> hm, good question
[20:55] <yofel> after my last issues with grub2 and windows I never install linux and windows onto the same HDD
[20:56] <Quintasan> wow
[20:56] <Quintasan> Kubuntu discovered the system recovery partition from Lenovo and marked it as Windows 7 installation
[20:59] <Quintasan> hmm I wonder if I can get rid of that
[21:00] <yofel> do that after you order an installation media from lenovo
[21:00] <yofel> unless you can get a windows license key from Uni
[21:00] <Quintasan> I have a win key sticker under my battery
[21:01] <Quintasan> it has a cd key on it
[21:01] <yofel> yeah, but you'll need the CD for it (I think)
[21:01] <yofel> which you don't have
[21:01] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:02] <yofel> I personally have linux on a different HDD and put my windows HDD into my thinkpad baydrive HDD adapter when I need it - that ofc. requires a spare HDD
[21:03] <Quintasan> yofel: Any idea how can I order such a disk? I don't see anything like that on lenovo.com
[21:03] <yofel> Quintasan: the recovery partition should only be like 2% of the whole disk though
[21:03] <Quintasan> oh well
[21:04] <Quintasan> I could try renaming the grub entry before I install windows 7
[21:05] <yofel> there is http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-4M7HWZ
[21:05] <yofel> but I don't know more than that
[21:08] <Quintasan> hmmm
[21:08] <Quintasan> yeah
[21:08] <Quintasan> you can order one
[21:08] <Quintasan> and I would rather do that
[21:08] <Quintasan> I wonder what the CD you create at the boot does then
[21:16]  * Quintasan tries upgrading KDE
[21:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: P-O-N-G
[21:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: how's the trip so far?
[21:23] <murthy> yofel: the author of the libdlna has aked to send bug reports to his mail id. He hasn't mentioned any bug management system. http://libdlna.geexbox.org/ . So what to do?
[21:23] <yofel> send him a mail?
[21:24] <murthy> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/678776/
[21:24] <murthy> yofel: ^ the changelog for libdlna
[21:25] <murthy> yofel: does the MOTO team maintain upstream bugs?
[21:29] <yofel> murthy: line 10-11 belong to the part below, and "Switch to Debhelper version greater than 7", should be something like "Switch to dh7 style buildsystem" or so
[21:29] <murthy> yofel: ok
[21:30] <yofel> s/dh > 7 incompatable/dh_auto_configure incompatible
[21:30] <yofel> dh_auto_configure existed before 7
[21:30] <Quintasan> it did?
[21:30] <yofel> I thought it did
[21:30] <Quintasan> I think the whole auto stuff was introduced in dh7
[21:30] <yofel> oh
[21:30] <Quintasan> but I may be wrong
[21:30] <yofel> good point
[21:31] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1131926] package libqt4-qt3support 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.3 failed to install/upgrade: libqt4-qt3support:... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131926 (by Håvard Korsvoll)
[21:31] <yofel> it would be still incompatible with dh_auto_configure though
[21:31] <Quintasan> but generally  yeah, say we switched to dh7 build system
[21:32] <murthy> yofel: so i should mention"Override dh_auto_configure with custom command to workaround dh_auto_configure incompatable upstream configure script." ?
[21:33] <yofel> yeah, that's fine
[21:33] <murthy> yofel: isn't cdbs part of patch system so shouldn't be mention under the format change section?
[21:34] <yofel> cdbs is *not* a patch system, simple-patchsys which is part of cdbs is a patch system
[21:34] <murthy> yofel: ok
[21:34] <Riddell> evening
[21:34] <yofel> cdbs stands for "Common Debian Build System"
[21:36] <yofel> murthy: I think you can remove "    -Create debian/source/format with value "3.0 (quilt)"" - switching to 3.0 (quilt) implies that
[21:36] <murthy> yofel: thats what i thought
[21:38] <murthy> yofel: i read about cdbs for sometime yesterday as part the homework you assigned to me :)
[21:41] <Riddell> cdbs is complex as anything
[21:41] <Riddell> I'm not sorry to see it go out of fashion
[21:42] <murthy> ya
[21:42] <murthy> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/678788/
[21:42] <murthy> Riddell: also i like quilt very much
[21:42] <murthy> Riddell: 3.0
[21:44] <murthy> Riddell: i will try to upgrade the packages to dh7, format 3.0 and to the latest standards
[21:45] <yofel> murthy: one thing about style, you should write it like this: http://paste.kde.org/678212
[21:45] <yofel> erm http://paste.kde.org/678794
[21:48] <murthy> yofel: i saw some package changelogs for examples and i found most containing the one i am using, so i followed it. I will change it now. But i feel grouping by the major change would be more helpfull
[21:49] <yofel> uh, it's still grouped by major change (*), but grouping changes by file is also common
[21:49] <murthy> yofel: i am on it
[21:49] <yofel> or rather you don't write the file you change on every line if you have more then one change in a file
[21:53] <Quintasan> murthy: Usually when you do changes in .install files you don't really want to mention every single change, I usually write "Refreshed install files"
[21:53] <murthy> yofel: done http://paste.kde.org/678800/
[21:53] <Quintasan> that was an example of course
[21:53] <murthy> Quintasan: ok
[21:54] <yofel> hm... ship it
[21:54] <Quintasan> :DDDD
[21:56] <murthy> yofel: nice
[21:57] <yofel> murthy: from what i've seen now at least, would need to test build to verify that everything's right. The logs look ok though so I'll leave that to the sponsor
[21:57] <Quintasan> LOL
[21:57] <Quintasan> yofel: there is a small rectrangular button right below the display
[21:57] <Quintasan> I have no idea what it is suppoed to do
[21:57] <Quintasan> the manual says
[21:58] <Quintasan> it's BLACK BUTTON
[21:58] <Quintasan> BRILLIANT
[21:58] <yofel> what o.O?
[21:58] <Quintasan> nothing else
[21:58] <Quintasan> number 7 - black button
[21:58] <Quintasan> xD
[21:58] <murthy> i will do a test build now
[22:00] <Quintasan> yofel: well
[22:00] <Quintasan> apparently it is supposed to boot the system into recovery
[22:00] <Quintasan> so it's useless in windows
[22:00] <Quintasan> but I can bind it to something in Linux :DDD
[22:00] <yofel> why do you need a *button* for that o.O
[22:01] <yofel> the thinkvantage button was meant for stuff like hat
[22:01] <yofel> *that
[22:01] <Quintasan> i think that is the thinkvantage button
[22:01] <Quintasan> but it's not blue
[22:01] <Quintasan> and on windows it did noting
[22:02] <yofel> does it send key events? the thinkvantage button doesn't according to xev
[22:03] <yofel> hm... which reminds me that I don't use those folder switching buttons for anything
[22:03] <Quintasan> it does
[22:04] <Quintasan> XF61Launch1
[22:04] <Quintasan> bleh
[22:04] <Quintasan> XF86Launch1
[22:04] <yofel> heh
[22:04] <Quintasan> BUT
[22:04] <Quintasan> the microphone mute button doesn't work
[22:04] <yofel> yeah
[22:05] <murthy> yofel: test build log http://paste.kde.org/678806/
[22:05] <Quintasan> yofel: do you know if it's possible to turn off the touchpad with a command of sorts?
[22:05] <Quintasan> I would bind that thinkvantage button to this
[22:06] <yofel> synclient TouchpadOff=1
[22:07] <Quintasan> synclient TouchpadOn would turn this on, right ?
[22:07] <yofel> no, =0 will
[22:07]  * Quintasan writes a shell script to enable/disable
[22:09] <yofel> eeeeeerk
[22:09] <yofel> I tried to install 4.10 in a fresh precise VM, failed due to an overwrite error from kmahjongg
[22:09]  * yofel goes fixing
[22:12] <yofel> murthy: looks fine
[22:13] <murthy> yofel: ok, prepared the debdiff, going to attach it and subscribe to the sponsors team
[22:14] <yofel> grrrr
[22:14] <yofel> shadeslayer does not backport fixes
[22:15] <Quintasan> >shadeslayer
[22:15] <Quintasan> >fixing
[22:15] <Quintasan> pick one :P
[22:15] <Quintasan> he is our general leader when it comes to breaking stuff
[22:15] <Quintasan> :P
[22:15] <yofel> >qa :P
[22:15] <yofel> the qa page look fits pretty well actually :D
[22:19] <Quintasan> why the heck the script doesnt get invoked
[22:19] <Quintasan> wtf
[22:24] <Quintasan>   ffffff
[22:25] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.6.1-0ubuntu5/+build/4317151 \o/
[22:25] <Riddell> awooga
[22:26]  * yofel goes trying what do-release-upgrade does when you try to upgrade 12.04+4.10  to 12.10
[22:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: How do we handle restricted extras?
[22:40] <Quintasan> There is a problem with flash now I believe
[22:41] <Quintasan> if you enable the partner repo there is adobe-flashplugin
[22:41] <Quintasan> and adobe-flash-properities-kde
[22:41] <Quintasan> the latter package is particulary intertesting for us I presume and even after I install that, restricted extras installer keeps bugging me
[22:42] <Quintasan> the bad thing is that the flash player kcm is under lost and found
[22:43] <yofel> no, the bad thing is that our extension installer patches don't to alternate deps. if you have adobe-flashplugin installed rekonq will constantly tell you to install flashplugin-installer
[22:44] <apachelogger> pf
[22:44] <apachelogger> put it on some todo for 14.04
[22:46] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact
[22:46] <apachelogger> we should rethink the entire wanna-install-stuff solution we have in place
[22:46] <apachelogger> perhaps come up with something more integrated
[22:47] <apachelogger> e.g. rekonq triggering a workspace notification is somewhat strange as installing flash is in fact a highly contextual feature
[22:47] <yofel> well, true
[22:48] <yofel> rekonq has that password storage dialogue - maybe put it in the same place
[22:48] <apachelogger> needs investigation
[22:48] <apachelogger> i.e. why I dont want to discuss it now but put a task somewhere to look into at uds or something
[22:49] <yofel> true
[22:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Could you write that down or you want me to do that?
[22:50]  * Quintasan notes he is not the best person to take care of that
[22:51] <Riddell> Quintasan: cor what does adobe-flash-properities-kde do?
[22:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: mail -devel when in doubt
[22:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: kcm to configure flash
[22:52] <Riddell> what needs configuring?
[22:53] <Quintasan> what logger said
[22:53] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/678794
[22:53] <yofel> erm
[22:53] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/flash_properties.png
[22:53] <Quintasan> yeah
[22:53] <yofel> today's paste fail day
[22:53] <Quintasan> was to describe that
[22:53] <apachelogger> yofel: at least it wasnt prn :P
[22:53] <yofel> ^^
[22:54] <Riddell> oh that's very nice of it actually
[22:54] <murthy> yofel: thats because i was spamming you will all those pastes
[22:54] <Riddell> flash cookies are a sneaky way to spy on people
[22:55] <Quintasan> That's why I actually bothered to install that
[22:55] <Quintasan> and it turns out restricted installer still bugged me about missing flash
[22:56] <yofel> I wonder if it would make sense to request that adobe-flashplugin provies flashplugin-installer
[22:57] <yofel> *provides
[22:57] <murthy> yofel: isn't adobe had already dropped support ?
[22:57] <yofel> it already has "Provides: flashplugin-nonfree"
[22:57] <yofel> murthy: not for the current one
[23:03] <yofel> hm. so. upgrading 12.04+kde4.10 to quantal ends up being 12.10+kde4.10(from 12.04) - which so far works fine...
[23:05] <Quintasan> well yeah
[23:06] <yofel> except that digikam crashes - but that's the lcms issue I should be debugging
[23:06] <Quintasan> upgrade to kde 4.10 on 12.10 works fine as well


[14:41] <kami> Hello
[14:42] <kami> I have a ppa where I uploaded a source package (as I always do). This time, the build fails with 'GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/... cosmic InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 05E0EFC340760A4F
[14:43] <kami> I don't remember having changed anything on my side
[14:48] <kami> What am I missing?
[15:06] <cjwatson> Likely a transient error that will go away if you retry
[15:06] <cjwatson> The keyservers have been somewhat unreliable lately
[15:16] <kami> cjwatson: Thank you, will retry.
[15:36] <kami> cjwatson: it works, thanks.
[15:36] <kami> Bye.
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> I have a build upload stuck between a recipe and my PPA. Not sure if that's a build farm issue or what.
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> Disregard. It just literally took 15 minutes. :


[08:09] <square1> How do I report a bug?
[08:09] <square1> oh. I see.
[08:15] <square1> What package do I select for an installer bug?


[12:54] <nixternal> I am here now, just a tad bit late though :)
[04:09] <GreySim> Does anyone here know how to set up Edubuntu's automatic swap server under normal Ubuntu Feisty?
[04:43] <GreySim> Anyone know how to get nbdswapd without actually installing ltsp-server? I'm actually using Ubuntu Feisty, but figured the people in here would be more intimately familiar with LTSP and probably nbdswapd.
[04:44] <Burgundavia> I have no idea
[04:51] <ace_suares> GreySim: maybe #ltsp
[05:20] <Armagon> Greetings.
[05:21] <Armagon> I'm trying to get an edubuntu server/client setup working, and am having problems.
[05:21] <Armagon> I finally got the DHCP server working tonight.
[05:22] <Armagon> Having done that, I tried doing a Network boot with two separate computers, but it hasn't worked.
[05:23] <Armagon> Tailing /var/log/syslog, I see that the ethernet link goes up and down (I'm using a direct link between two computers -- the cable goes right between them, and, as the server (a MacBook) automatically detects how the signal works, I don't need a crossover cable (which I don't have)).  The link goes up and down, but no DHCP request is issued during the time that the other PC tried to boot over the network.
[05:26] <Armagon> Wait.  Aha.  Network boot was disabled in the BIOS on the second computer I'm trying this with ...
[05:27] <Armagon> Hmm...  It did a DHCP request, and got an address, but ended up with "PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout."
[06:22] <moquist> Burgundavia: It's working out to get whiprush to present. Thanks a million for prompting me to contact him.
[06:22] <Burgundavia> no worries
[06:26] <jsgotangco> whiprush coming back? cool
[08:08] <moquist> highvoltage: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[09:08] <bibstha> hi everybody
[09:09] <LaserJock> hi bibstha
[09:10] <bibstha> LaserJock: Any idea how to install edubuntu on top of ubuntu??
[09:10] <LaserJock> sure
[09:10] <bibstha> LaserJock: through CD??
[09:10] <LaserJock> you can install edubuntu-desktop
[09:10] <bibstha> LaserJock: coz no high speed net here
[09:11] <LaserJock> and then if you grab the Edubuntu Classroom Server Addon CD you can install the educational apps from CD
[09:11] <RichEd> hi willvdl & LaserJock ... sorry I missed the meeting last night ... was ill in bed with some sort of flu and gastric ...
[09:12] <bibstha> LaserJock: oh, that means, now that i have ubuntu installed, just the server addon cd will be enough? apt-cdrom add??
[09:12] <RichEd> was not a happy chappie ... but sort of better today
[09:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: hi, working on a email for you now
[09:12] <RichEd> LaserJock: thanks ...
[09:12] <LaserJock> bibstha: that will have the educational software, you should just pop it in
[09:13] <bibstha> LaserJock: thanks i should download that then
[09:13] <LaserJock> bibstha: for installing edubuntu-desktop I'm not sure if those packages are on the Ubuntu CD
[09:13] <LaserJock> I'm guessing not
[09:13] <LaserJock> but I don't think it should a big download
[09:16] <bibstha> LaserJock: hey man thanks
[09:17] <bibstha> LaserJock: the desktop cd is for live booting, the server cd is for installing, whats the actual difference with regard to the programs inside?
[09:18] <LaserJock> ah
[09:18] <LaserJock> well right now for Feisty the Desktop CD is good for demos
[09:18] <LaserJock> and have a look around
[09:18] <LaserJock> but if you want to install and LTSP server
[09:18] <LaserJock> or do a regular install (we call it workstation)
[09:18] <LaserJock> the Server CD is the way to go
[09:19] <LaserJock> it's basically got Ubuntu plus some additional stuff
[09:19] <LaserJock> and then the Server Addon CD has a lot more educational apps and a few misc. programs
[09:19] <bibstha> LaserJock: ohh, so to just install gcompris and other games then server addon,
[09:20] <bibstha> LaserJock: thanks again
[09:21] <LaserJock> bibstha: gcompris, KDE Edu, and others are on the Server Addon
[09:40] <Tom47> would edubuntu be a good choice as the basis for a small business ltsp or are there better choices to be considered
[09:40] <LaserJock> I personally think it's a good choice
[09:40] <LaserJock> Edubuntu's LTSP implementation is pretty solid
[09:40] <Tom47> i was thinking that
[09:41] <RichEd> Tom47: you can also install ubuntu server, and then LTSP package, and then the ubuntu-desktop package
[09:41] <LaserJock> and with Feisty it's much less "kiddy" oriented if you install from the Classroom Server CD
[09:41] <LaserJock> I personally would go with Edubuntu Classroom Server install then install ubuntu-artwork
[09:42] <LaserJock> then you get the automated LTSP setup from Edubuntu
[09:42] <Tom47> RichEd: that would put a lot of function on the client or not?
[09:42] <LaserJock> and an artwork tweak from Ubuntu
[09:42] <Tom47> LaserJock: yes sounds along the lines we were thinking
[09:43] <LaserJock> either way is going to be fairly easy
[09:43] <Tom47> RichEd: what factors would sway things in yr suggestion?
[09:43] <RichEd> Tom47: not sure exactly what your comment asks ... but the server is the base, the LTSP is the thin client "support" and then the desktop is needed on the server to give the thin clients a desktop ... with all of the standard ubuntu desktop applications
[09:44] <RichEd> Tom47: check out this link as well http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=161

[09:44] <RichEd>  	Catalog of Free and Open Source Software for Small-Medium Enterprises
[09:44] <RichEd> 	Open Source Victoria has prepared this catalog of open source software for small-medium enterprises. Within it, we have researched and provided a synopsis on a range of software which we believe will be beneficial to many businesses and small public-sector organisations.
[09:44] <Tom47> RichEd: prob reflects my ignoranace on just exactly what the desktop is

[09:44] <jsgotangco> nice link!
[09:45] <RichEd> Tom47: the server install would just give the "network resource engine" ... the desktop I refer to is the GUI and user applications
[09:46] <Tom47> ok
[09:46] <RichEd> jsgotangco: and this one http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=155
[09:46] <RichEd> jsgotangco: same for education ... nice doc ... lots of apps tested & reviewed
[09:46] <LaserJock> RichEd: on the other hand, Edubuntu LTSP server install is all of that, automated
[09:47] <LaserJock> it just needs a artwork tweak to make it more business looking
[09:47] <RichEd> LaserJock: is the artwork tweak documented ?
[09:47] <LaserJock> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:47] <LaserJock> ^^ documented ;-)
[09:48] <RichEd> there is a push for a small business server strategy and support ... so this sort of question will come up more frequently
[09:48] <LaserJock> actually, you really only need:
[09:48] <jsgotangco> RichEd: too bad its not my field anymore
[09:48] <RichEd> and thanks for the answer :)
[09:48] <LaserJock> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-artwork
[09:49] <RichEd> jsgotangco: so noted ... just getting the info up in the conversation for completion ... this is the edu channel no ? ;)
[09:49] <Tom47> it just seemed to us that starting off with ltsp and building would be reinventing many wheels
[09:49] <jsgotangco> RichEd: :P
[09:50] <RichEd> Tom47: LaserJock suggests the easier route ... Edubuntu off CD and then artwork change
[09:50] <Tom47> RichEd: ok ty ....
[09:50] <RichEd> we also recommend for a LTSP newbie to install (the easier) edubuntu LTSP to get a grip, and then to try the ubuntu route if they need to or want to
[09:50] <LaserJock> gimme a sec and I'll tell you what you'll get
[09:51] <RichEd> * not only will you get a leading LTSP environment but also, if you install now, you'll get:
[09:51] <RichEd> (take it away LaserJock :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> hurry up
[09:58] <Tom47> i am about to hit the dinner gong here
[09:58] <jsgotangco> well you can just remove up all the edu stuff anyways
[09:58] <Tom47> thanks for info
[09:58] <jsgotangco> its only one system you are pretty much fixing
[09:58] <LaserJock> ok, installing ubuntu-desktop
[09:58] <Tom47> i will leave this running
[09:58] <LaserJock> gives you some mono libs
[09:58] <LaserJock> and artwork
[09:58] <Tom47> and back in half an hour
[09:58] <jsgotangco> yeah tomboy is in default
[09:59] <LaserJock> I've gotta run to bed
[09:59] <LaserJock> cya all
[09:59] <Tom47> LaserJock: thanks for advice
[10:00] <jsgotangco> great twitter is out again *sigh*
[11:36] <schizmatik> hello
[11:47] <ludoRA> Bonjour
[11:47] <ludoRA> Hello
[11:48] <RichEd> hi ludoRA
[01:51] <aze> hi all
[01:51] <aze> any french edubuntu users here ? :p
[02:20] <aze> salutr ludoRA
[02:20] <aze> ludoRA: tu s francophone ?
[02:20] <ludoRA> oui oui
[02:20] <ludoRA> bonjour aze
[02:21] <aze> tu utilises edubuntu pour tes enfants ou pour des ecoles ?
[02:23] <aze> ludoRA: je l'ai installe dans une ecole
[02:23] <aze> ludoRA: un journal voudrait faire un article sur cette initiative
[02:24] <ludoRA> j'ai utilis edubuntu pour permettre  des parents de laisser des enfants devant leur pc sans risque pour leurs donnes ni pour le contenu de ce qu'ils manipulent
[02:24] <ludoRA> je connais mal edubuntu en ralit
[02:24] <ludoRA> mais trs bien ubuntu
[02:24] <ludoRA> (sorry for this french dialog)
[02:25] <ludoRA> ;-)
[02:25] <aze> ludoRA: je cherche en fait deux ou trois themes pour l'article
[02:25] <aze> ludoRA: +1 :p
[02:25] <aze> il y a tellement de chose a mettre en avant sur ubuntu et edubuntu que je ne voudrais pas passer a cote de quelque chose
[02:28] <aze> ludoRA: a propos d'ubuntu tu l'utilises dans ton travail ?
[05:41] <Stream_Space> hello
[06:49] <willvdl> I've cleaned up the wiki a bit
[06:49] <willvdl> we now have spaces for website devel, doc devel and wiki devel
[06:51] <willvdl> want to drop the refence to "Devel" in wiki since the wiki is all about development
[08:16] <LaserJock> morning Edu Land
[08:16] <LaserJock> ogra: so did Tribe 1 work out?
[08:59] <Luke802>  Hello I am trying to install edubuntu 6.06 but after it gets to the part of the installation "Building LTSP Chroot" it hangs at 50% complete for a while then goes to black screen with 2 small white rectangles and just fails...
[09:00] <Luke802>  has anyone else had this problem?
[09:10] <Luke802>  Hello I am having a problem with Edubuntu 6 install
[09:10] <Luke802>  IT just seems to hang after 50% of "building LTSP chroot"
[09:10] <Luke802>  anyone have had this problem?
[09:15] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:15] <LaserJock> I haven't
[09:15] <LaserJock> but that seems vaguely familiar
[09:17] <Luke802>  hrmmm
[09:17] <Luke802>  Anyone have a good md5SUm checker for windows?
[09:17] <Luke802>  i'll try and check the iso i downloaded
[09:20] <stgraber> Luke802: md5sum exists for Windows
[09:20] <stgraber> it works the same way as on Linux (you have to call it from cmd.exe)
[09:27] <bluekuja> ogra: you there?
[10:36] <energymedia> Hi All :o)
[10:57] <energymedia> Does anyone have experience using Edubuntu server (ltsp)?  Im struggling to get thin client desktop units connecting to the server, are there any obvious things I should check.  I have checked and rechecked everything - the only thing I have noticed is that the step by step guide on the web did not match with what I was doing, have there been any changes to the software that are not shown on...
[10:57] <energymedia> ...the website?
[10:58] <LaserJock> ogra: cjwatson showed me where the app-install stuff comes from
[10:58] <ogra> LaserJock, ah, cool
[10:59] <LaserJock> energymedia: what Edubuntu release are you using, and where on the website are you looking?
[10:59] <energymedia> laserjock - we just downloaded 7.04
[10:59] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm not exactly sure how to plug in our changes to it
[10:59] <LaserJock> ogra: but for the applications.menu it does a simple cp
[11:00] <energymedia> laserjock - I followed the steps at http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[11:00] <ogra> LaserJock, lets look at that tomoroow, i'm on mz waz to the bathtub :)
[11:00] <ogra> gah
[11:00] <LaserJock> ogra: heh, no problem
[11:00] <ogra> s/z/y
[11:01] <LaserJock> energymedia: you might try looking at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[11:02] <energymedia> LaserJock - I went in their too but directly in at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/server.html
[11:04] <energymedia> the part that I *think* is an issue is that I need to check and verify that the correct services are active
[11:05] <energymedia> the other part is... Can I use "Remote desktop protocol (RDP)" or do I need to use X windows?
[11:06] <LaserJock> I'm not great with LTSP setups
[11:06] <LaserJock> but for your last question, using them for what?
[11:07] <energymedia> What I want to do is have one server - 10 thin clients (neoware c50's).
[11:07] <LaserJock> ok
[11:07] <energymedia> Im determined NOT to have to use any MS Windows boxes to get my solution working! :o)
[11:08] <LaserJock> heh
[11:10] <energymedia> We took the big jump one week and everyone that was just using a desktop pc with office, ie and outlook ended up coming in on the following monday to find Ubuntu 7.04 with Firefox, thunderbird, and Ooo
[11:10] <energymedia> they all accepted it and it was the best thing we could have done.  Now we are bring all the 'various' systems inline to Ub.
[11:11] <LaserJock> cool
[11:12] <energymedia> its just we want to centralize everything and use thin clients as I have seen how good they can work


[16:15] <jelly> pa koliko sistemaca trebaju ti pornjavatori https://weworkremotely.com/remote-jobs/hulkshare-limited-senior-linux-systems-administrator-telecommute-from-europe
[16:36] <jelly> > Experience with dockers
[16:38] <jelly> > NOT a nine to five mentality. # you had me but you lost me
[16:38] <sillyslux> lol
[16:40] <sillyslux> pa moze ako je 7 figures placa
[16:40] <sillyslux> ili bar srjidno 6
[16:41] <sillyslux> ili besplatan lifetime membership n svim platformama
[16:42] <jelly> pitaj Mmiketa dal zeli ikad vise vidit ikoju pornjavu
[16:42] <sillyslux> hmhm... MmikeM reci :)
[16:47] <sillyslux> https://youtu.be/f37Qf2LkMas?t=60
[16:47] <datase> ^ YouTube :: Fox & Friends host Slips: Trump’s North Korea summit is a ‘Historic Meeting Between Two DICTATORS’ @ 01:00 :: Duration: 01:49 :: Views: 24,800 uploaded by aDDmoreJuice :: 371 likes :: 32 dislikes :: 0 favorites
[16:48] <sillyslux> https://twitter.com/jenzhuscott/status/1005821493782212608
[16:49] <sillyslux> haha my daily dose of trampizam


[09:34] <rmg51> Morning
[10:05] <JonathanS> Morning.
[10:35] <rmg51> what happened to your D?
[10:58] <JonathanD> rmg51: splits.
[11:06] <rmg51> that's better
[11:10] <JonathanD> It is snowing.
[11:10] <JonathanD> Quite a bit.
[11:28] <rmg51> time for me to go out into it :P
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:10] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:19] <adom> whoa is this thing still on?
[14:20] <adom> just brought my screen session back up, cant believe its still running!
[14:21] <adom> 10:21 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 152d 11h 41m 39s
[14:22] <adom> well anyway, for those few of you that remember me, i have bad news. i recently moved to VA. so I'll be looking for an Ubuntu users group here. still love you guys though.
[14:23] <adom> ok, so there might not be any...but im in high hopes
[14:24] <JonathanD> start one :P
[14:25] <adom> i guess i could...
[14:25] <adom> just seems like a bunch of idling and minimal interaction :/
[15:34] <ChinnoBunny> I turned into a bunny
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> adom: where in VA?
[15:36] <adom> Woodbridge. about a half hour South of Washington D.C.
[15:36] <adom> its really close actually, but traffic down here is hurrendous
[15:36] <adom> actually, arent you guys all near Philly? i guess you know bad traffic as well...haha
[15:37] <adom> there are days when my gf drives home from her new job in Springfield which is like 18 miles away and it takes her over an hour.
[15:38] <adom> although now she's learned some different routes to shave off minutes here and there.
[15:39] <ChinnoDog> You live near IKEA
[15:40] <adom> yeah, been there like 4 times already. in love.
[15:40] <adom> ChinnoDog: do you know the area?
[15:42] <ChinnoDog> adom: I live in Merrifield, about 25 minutes away.
[15:42] <ChinnoDog> I mean, in good traffic. You know how that goes.
[15:43] <adom> that's not far at all! i had an interview for a tier 1 network engineer position in Tyson's Corner last week. wow small world!
[15:43] <adom> ChinnoDog: so wait, if you live here in VA like me, how'd you end up in #ubuntu-us-pa?
[15:44] <ChinnoDog> I moved here. lol
[15:44] <ChinnoDog> I've been here almost 2 years now
[15:44] <ChinnoDog> Where in Tysons?
[15:44] <adom> cool!
[15:44] <adom> um...
[15:44] <adom> thinking of business name...
[15:44] <adom> i forget let me check email...
[15:45] <adom> ChinnoDog: NTConnections http://www.ntconnections.net/PublicPages/Home.aspx
[15:45] <adom> i turned it down in favor of a better offer
[15:46] <adom> i actually got two great job offers in the same day and was pretty amazed
[15:47] <adom> ChinnoDog: i cant believe we live so close! we should plan an awkward meet-up sometime!
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> I asked where in Tysons because my office is there.
[15:49] <adom> jesus. small world.
[15:49] <adom> for all we know i couldve drove past you or something on that day.
[15:49] <ChinnoDog> I don't see much Ubuntu activity here. I've been idling in #ubuntu-us-dc since I go here and it is pretty dead
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> probably not. I work from home most days.
[15:50] <adom> ahh
[15:50] <adom> still cool tho
[15:51] <ChinnoDog> When did you get here?
[15:53] <adom> VA? about 2 months ago. gf got a great job offer in Springfield, so we quit our jobs (we had 4 between the two of us), packed the apartment, threw the dog in the cab of a uhaul and headed down.
[15:53] <adom> big move for us, both of us have big "farm-families" back in PA and NY.
[15:55] <adom> i see JonathanD in #ubuntu-us-dc as well...did he move down here too?
[15:56] <ChinnoDog> Ephrata is not very amazing in terms of job market. lol
[15:56] <JonathanD> adom: I run events so I hang out in all the reasonably local channels.
[15:56] <JonathanD> But I'm near Philadelphia, myself.
[15:56] <adom> JonathanD: cool cool cool
[15:57] <JonathanD> Speaking of events...
[15:57] <JonathanD> I'd like to do at least 2 geeknics this year.
[15:57] <JonathanD> One to the Philly zoo, and one at a park (typical picnic with grills and frisbee and trails.)
[15:57] <JonathanD> This summer, I mean.
[16:00] <JonathanD> Any interest? :)
[16:03] <ChinnoDog> That is a long way to go for a picnic
[16:28] <InHisName> adom: Where in VA ?  Near DC ?  Ought to be plenty around there.
[16:29] <InHisName> Ah Woodbridge, I used to live in Annandale years ago.
[16:29] <adom> yeah talking to ChinnoDog and found out about #ubuntu-us-dc (even if it is a ghosttown apparently >.<)
[16:33] <InHisName> Not so ghosty anymore with two of you there.
[16:34] <InHisName> Isn't there a MAJOR hackerspace in DC ?
[16:34] <adom> hmm, dunno. seems likely though.
[16:35] <adom> yeah
[16:35] <adom> http://www.hacdc.org/
[17:07] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: too long?
[17:09] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: maybe
[17:09] <ChinnoDog> I was going to frequent HacDC but it is too far away
[17:09] <ChinnoDog> There are a couple in Virginia near Dulles though
[17:21] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: oh, too far.
[17:21] <JonathanD> Yeah, the park especially.
[17:21] <JonathanD> The zoo at least is in the city.
[17:21] <JonathanD> The park is probably in the burbs.
[17:23] <adom> HacDC membership dues are $50/month. seems steep just for being a member of the community. :/
[17:43] <jedijf>  i think that's pretty much the average
[18:00] <adom> rly?
[18:01] <adom> im making a lot more here than i did in Erie, but that still might be a bit too expensive for my tastes. ill just keep to tinkering in our spare bedroom where i keep my PC parts.


[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:45] <Riddell> ScottK: fancy a new task? https://blogs.kde.org/2015/03/29/pykde-future-seeking-new-maintainer
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Good Day folks
[11:30] <Riddell> sitter: you udpated the breeze packaging? will you upload to vivid or should I?
[11:30] <sitter> I did so already
[11:30] <Riddell> lovely
[12:09] <ScottK> Riddell: I already wrote him.
[12:09] <ScottK> Not sure how much I'll be able to do, but I'll try and help.
[12:41] <Riddell> classy new sweaters https://www.hellotux.com/kubuntu_sweater_black
[12:43] <Sho_> t-shirt looks like it has a decent cut
[12:44]  * Riddell adds https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-sweaters-added-hellotux-shop
[12:45] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-sweaters-added-hellotux-shop
[13:14] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: does the new website have any translations?
[14:16] <owlman> Riddell (or anyone): mind if I ask a question about the graphics stack here?
[14:20] <Riddell> you can try, we may not know
[14:21] <owlman> thanks, actually about future plans. Mainly wondering if I should be concentrating on libinput to solve some of my problems ;)
[14:22] <owlman> Is the plan still to move from Xorg to a wayland/weston(?) stack?
[14:24] <Riddell> yep, mgraesslin is working hard on porting stuff to wayland, no deadline when it'll be ready but it won't be this year
[14:24] <Riddell> and I believe libinput is the best library for that stuff but don't take my word for it
[14:25] <mgraesslin> libinput for what?
[14:26] <owlman> New toy. Thinkpad Helix tablet/ultrabook. Has 4 pointing devices: touchscreen, wacom digitiser, touchpad and trackpoint
[14:27] <mgraesslin> owlman: yes, libinput as at least Fedora starts to use it for X11 as well
[14:27] <owlman> so some sort of unified handling for those seems like a good idea
[14:27] <mgraesslin> and as upstream dev in interested area: I would love seeing (K)Ubuntu to follow
[14:29] <owlman> OK. Looks like a first step would be to package xf86-input-libinput
[14:30] <owlman> Haven't done any packaging before, but I'll give it a go
[14:31] <Riddell> owlman: we have a libinput-dev package, isn't that it?
[14:37] <owlman> Riddell: according to http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libinput/ it looks like a seperate package. will investigate further
[14:38] <owlman> Riddell: I've also been investigating/breaking virtual keyboards
[14:39] <mgraesslin> Riddell: libinput-dev is the libinput library, xf86-input-libinput is an xinput "driver" using libinput
[14:41] <owlman> Riddell: It looks maliit framework currently has a dependency on Gsettings, possibly as an interim solution by the ubuntu phablet team to get things working
[14:41] <owlman> does anyone know if qt/kde has a mechanism to read xdg configs?
[14:42] <Riddell> xdg configs?
[14:42] <owlman> i.e. /etc/xdg/*
[14:43] <Riddell> that's just normal kconfig in kf5 land I think
[14:43] <owlman> thanks. more reading :(
[15:26] <_Groo_> hi guys
[15:27] <_Groo_> quick question, what dictionary format does kf5 uses? aspell or myspell?
[15:27] <_Groo_> or ispell? :P
[15:28] <_Groo_> i want to add a dictionary to kde, but im unsure which format kf5 uses
[15:30] <_Groo_> nvm,i just went through my installed dictionaries, it uses aspell
[15:30] <BluesKaj> looks like myspell and aspell will work , they show up in muon on 15.04
[15:31] <_Groo_> for sure
[15:32] <_Groo_> GHNS in kubuntu to download dictionaries would be a nice touch
[15:32] <_Groo_> does GHNS work with packages?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> what's GHNS ?
[15:35] <jjesse> get hot new stuff
[15:35] <Riddell> anyone want to test this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-config-systemd_1.1.0+git20150330_amd64.deb
[15:36] <Riddell> _Groo_: language packs should bring in dictionaries
[15:36] <Riddell> and kcm locale should be fixed to bring in language packages, I have a gsoc project for that
[15:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah but for ex, i use english language but im in brazil, so pt-br locales and i just want both dictionaries
[15:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: but yeah , its just an apt-get away... no biggie
[15:38] <Riddell> I still think kcm locale (or the normal muon install) would be sufficient
[15:40] <_Groo_> did anyone tested kde telepathy in utopic? with 2-way authentication? it was supposed to open a browser, but it just sits there. i needed to go back to unity/empathy, create my account and get back to kf5
[15:45] <tuv0k> I have a cpu load of 100% on one core. Looks like it may be plasmashell
[15:46] <tuv0k> system monitor does not show the load as such in the process table, but does in the system load graph, and I can see it via htop
[15:49] <tuv0k> wasn't plasmashell
[15:49] <tuv0k> killed plasmashell and now two cores are at 100%
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/pending/vivid-core-armhf.tar.gz
[16:25] <_Groo_> Riddell: any news on calligra 2.9.1?
[16:26] <Riddell> _Groo_: still todo
[16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: k
[17:11] <sitter> Riddell: until further notice KCI is not integrating as I need to transition away from lxc as it ended up horribly broken due to the systemd switch
[18:49] <ghostcube> hmmm its an april joke isnt it?
[18:49] <ghostcube> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community
[18:51]  * ahoneybun wonders who would use it
[18:57] <mparillo> ghostcube: Based on this, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ivan%20Gotyaovich&t=qupzilla I assume it is an early April's Fools joke.
[18:57] <ghostcube> ok
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I dont follow your email :P
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Do we need to poke cjwatson?
[20:05] <ahoneybun> could someone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1434857 ?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> Riddell: where we the khelpcenter files at in KF5?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> *are
[20:13] <ahoneybun> pretty sure this is not english " Hvordan man installerer Kubuntu"
[20:14] <yofel> ahoneybun: more accurate would  be that "some" docs are missing. For some reasons there are help categories without handbooks
[20:15] <yofel> e.g. if you click through the system settings modules, about half of them are missing (or well, inexistent)
[20:15] <ahoneybun> yofel: there is a en and en_US dirs in the khelpcenter
[20:15] <ahoneybun> en has some other lang in it
[20:15] <ahoneybun> en_US is empty
[20:16] <ahoneybun> makes me think that if I switch langs it would show up
[20:20] <ahoneybun> brb
[20:24] <ahoneybun> that did not work
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the translation support is not there yet
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> I got the email from Weiller
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> I'm looking into using a translation platform for the translations
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> like transifex or pootle
[20:45] <yofel> ahoneybun: wrong directory name
[20:45] <yofel> stat("/usr/share/doc/HTML/en//kubuntu/index.html", 0x7ffce09b3aa0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[20:45] <yofel> stat("/usr/share/doc/HTML/en//kubuntu/index.docbook", 0x7ffce09b3aa0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[20:45] <yofel> it looks for kubuntu, not kubuntu-docs
[20:54] <ahoneybun> oh wow
[20:55] <ahoneybun> where did you get that yofel
[20:56] <ahoneybun> I want to know how to fix it
[20:56] <debfx> is anyone using quassel on vivid?
[20:56] <ahoneybun> not I
[20:56] <yofel> debfx: me, works fine except for an occasional crash
[20:57] <yofel> ahoneybun: that's from 'strace khelpcenter', but I don't know to fix that. Shouldn't that be set somewhere in the docs packaging?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'll look
[20:57] <debfx> yofel: do you get notifications?
[20:57] <yofel> hm...
[20:57] <yofel> debfx: ping me
[20:57] <debfx> yofel: ping
[20:58] <debfx> the notifications settings page is completely empty for me
[20:58] <yofel> no -.-
[20:58] <yofel> somehow never noticed that o.O...
[21:01] <debfx> dh_install: usr/share/knotifications5/quassel.notifyrc exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[21:03]  * debfx quickly changes that to --fail-missing
[21:05] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ping
[21:17] <ahoneybun> yofel: I can't find it
[21:21] <yofel> ahoneybun: I think setting "X-DocPath=help:/kubuntu-docs/index.html" in khelpcenter-plugin/kubuntu-docs.desktop should fix it?
[21:21] <yofel> seems to fix it at least if I edit /usr/share/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu-docs.desktop
[21:22] <yofel> ahoneybun: okay... now I see what you meant with language..
[21:22] <debfx> yofel: could you ping me
[21:22] <yofel> debfx: ping
[21:23] <debfx> thanks, works fine now
[21:23] <yofel> \o/
[21:25] <ahoneybun> yofel: makes sense
[21:25] <ahoneybun> let me see
[21:25] <yofel> wtf? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10709227/
[21:25] <ahoneybun> yofel: but that desktop is a link
[21:26] <ahoneybun> I dont have af
[21:27] <ahoneybun> lang af yofel
[21:27] <yofel> define link? It's not one here
[21:27] <yofel> ahoneybun: me neither as that trace shows
[21:27] <ahoneybun> yofel: that should be on the desktop no?
[21:27] <yofel> but that looks like it tries to open the (alphabetically) first language it finds
[21:28] <yofel> which is... nonsense?
[21:28] <ahoneybun> yofel: is that even a lang on the system
[21:28] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:28] <yofel> ahoneybun: desktop files are really just application metadata, they're not only used for links
[21:28] <ahoneybun> yofel: oh ok
[21:29] <yofel> or well, it is a "link to the kubuntu docs inside khelpcenter"
[21:29] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[21:30] <ahoneybun> yofel: to try out these changes I would have to uninstall kubuntu-docs from the repos, build my local copy and install it?
[21:30] <yofel> ahoneybun: it is "a" valid language, and we don't have language specific doc packages
[21:30] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:31] <yofel> ahoneybun: building a local copy would certainly be a better test
[21:31] <ahoneybun> before uploading anyway
[21:31] <yofel> I only edited the file manually here for a quick test
[21:32] <ahoneybun> I edited the kubuntu-docs.desktop file and will build loca
[21:32] <ahoneybun> *local
[21:32] <ahoneybun> oh crap
[21:32] <ahoneybun> my system lang in konsole is not english
[21:32] <ahoneybun> oh spanish
[21:33] <yofel> how did that happen? ^^
[21:33] <yofel> oh, I also have a nice setting...
[21:33] <yofel> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
[21:33] <yofel> LANGUAGE=en_US
[21:34] <ahoneybun> I was messing with something in system settings
[21:34] <ahoneybun> yofel: how would one build this?
[21:34] <ahoneybun> og
[21:34] <ahoneybun> got it
[21:34] <yofel> k
[21:38] <ahoneybun> yofel:
[21:38] <ahoneybun> yofel: No signature on /home/ahoneybun/Documents/Kubuntu/Docs/kubuntu-docs_15.04ubuntu2_source.changes.
[21:39] <ahoneybun> but if I use dput mykey.asc it tells me to use the source.changes file first
[21:39] <ahoneybun> endless circle
[21:39] <yofel> wait
[21:40] <yofel> the correct procedure is: edit package, debuild -S (which runs debsign for signing), dput <target> <pkg>_source.changes
[21:41] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:41] <ahoneybun> did not see it for some reason
[21:41] <ahoneybun> let me try again
[21:41] <ahoneybun> I have no key on this system
[21:42] <yofel> I don't think you're kubuntu-dev, so you can't upload it anyway
[21:42] <ahoneybun> my PPA
[21:42] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-packages
[21:42] <yofel> then the version should have a ~ppa1 suffix or so
[21:42] <yofel> (not required, but good practice)
[21:43] <ahoneybun> running debsign failed
[21:43] <yofel> anyway, you'll need a PGP key that's registered on launchpad to upload the package
[21:44] <ahoneybun> I have 2
[21:44] <ahoneybun> none on this system
[21:45] <ahoneybun> gpg --list-key is empty
[21:45] <yofel> right, you'll need one of the private keys on your system
[21:46] <ahoneybun> how do I get it on here?
[21:46] <ahoneybun> I can't keep making them
[21:46] <yofel> either you just copy your ~/.gnupg folder from the other system, or you could export the secret key. In any case, be careful to not leave them lying around somewhere public
[21:47] <ahoneybun> yofel: I have no other system
[21:47] <ahoneybun> so exporting or making a new one are the only options
[21:47] <yofel> uh... if you don't have backups of the old keys you need to make a new one
[21:47] <ahoneybun> damn
[21:47] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:48] <yofel> and maybe make a secret key export and store it in a safe this time :P
[21:49] <ahoneybun> will do this time
[21:49] <ahoneybun> sudo gpg --output keyFile --armor --export 041DA354  ?
[21:49] <ahoneybun> sample key
[21:51] <ahoneybun> yofel: ^
[21:52] <yofel> that's the public key, you'll need that too. The secret one would be 'gpg --export-secret-key --armor 041DA354 > out.key'
[21:52] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:58] <ahoneybun> yofel: backuped
[22:11] <darthanubis> The latest mesa dri updates stops corruption upon login. But now calling any new window to screen the whole screen flickers
[22:12] <darthanubis> I'm using two monitors with OSS amd video drivers
[22:13] <yofel> darthanubis: not our field of expertise I fear, #ubuntu-x might know more
[22:14] <frecel> hi
[22:14] <frecel> does anyone have source for gtk-qt-engine packages for 15.04?
[22:14] <darthanubis> field of expertise, it ws updates to kubuntu 15.04, is that not a concern for this channel?
[22:15] <ahoneybun> yofel: it says I have no secret key
[22:15] <ahoneybun> oh wait
[22:16] <yofel> it might not look for the right key, is the email right?
[22:16] <ahoneybun> yofel: it was set to my hostname
[22:17] <yofel> aaah, seems like some setup is missing. make sure you set DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME in your .bashrc
[22:17] <yofel> that's what'll appear in the changelog
[22:17] <ahoneybun> uploading
[22:18] <yofel> darthanubis: well, yes. But I'm not sure how much we can help with mesa
[22:18] <yofel> but maybe someone will know something
[22:19] <ahoneybun> yofel: is that ok DEBFULLNAME = "Aaron Honeycutt"
[22:19] <yofel> yes
[22:20] <ahoneybun> ok I put that at the end of my .bashrc file
[22:20] <ahoneybun> as well as the email one too
[22:20] <yofel> it should match with the data you set in the gpg key, otherwise you can force a key by setting DEBSIGN_KEYID=... in ~/.devscripts
[22:21] <ahoneybun> its the same
[22:23]  * ahoneybun laughs that he has spanish in his konsole and he is going to spain in 4 months
[22:30] <frecel> does anyone know of a gtk2-breeze engine?
[22:33] <Sho_> There is none
[22:33] <Sho_> Upstream isn't very motivated because GTK+ 3 removed the theming engine API
[22:40] <ahoneybun> yofel: other then the wrong lang that fixed it
[22:43] <frecel> Well, all I wanted was a Firefox window that matches the theme
[22:43] <ahoneybun> frecel: looks good to me
[22:48] <ahoneybun> looks like it is danish : https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=da
[22:49] <ahoneybun> might be system wise
[22:55] <ahoneybun> it is a bug
[22:58] <ahoneybun> very weird yofel it is in danish
[23:25] <ahoneybun> darn you ppa
[23:28] <ahoneybun> keeps installing the old version
[23:28] <ahoneybun> got it


[22:45] <Oniz> i'll do!
[22:45] <brian__> CdmaJedi: What's your favourite episode?
[22:45] <shaneo1> Yes I have seen the IT crowdm and the Big Band is better I think
[22:46] <Oniz> Guys i dunno why but "phablet-dev-bootstrap" ever echo this error and stop fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[22:46] <brian__> Oniz: Run it again
[22:46] <Oniz> i turn off and on the pc too!
[22:47] <Oniz> :-P
[22:47] <mattviator> is the web app installation framework broken/non existant?
[22:47] <shaneo1> yeah reflash has fixed my telephony-app issue.
[22:48] <shaneo1> grrr now I have to re-add my contacts lol
[22:48] <shaneo1> cant wait for apt-get install --reinstall 'mybrokenapp'
[22:49] <mattviator> on some webpages i get to add this as a web app tap on arrow add to home screen but theres no arrow lol
[22:49] <TToivanen> My build failed to boot. Is there any way of debugging while the device is booting?
[22:50] <shaneo1> I will give anyone £1 if they can find the ',' comma on the keyboard, the comma is a blooming '/' forward slash
[22:51] <brian__> This is presumably closed-source? I'd love to improve the keyboard
[22:53] <mattviator> no i have a comma
[22:53] <mattviator> its to the left of the spacebar
[22:53] <shaneo1> press it what you get
[22:53] <Oniz> ,
[22:54] <mattviator> ahh lol
[22:54] <mattviator> hehe
[22:54] <mattviator> its mapped wrong
[22:54] <shaneo1> no shit
[22:54] <shaneo1> lol
[22:54] <mattviator> copy and paste a comma from somewhere :P
[22:55] <mattviator> thats one thing that needs to be fixed the copy and past function
[22:55] <mattviator> not working well
[22:55] <shaneo1> hmm so tell me how to copy paste when using the sms function... there is none
[22:57] <Wiesel> shaneo1, i don't have a commandlist on that screen to crop an image or something, did you set up something somewhere?
[22:57] <shaneo1> the functions are in the gallery
[22:58] <shaneo1> if they are there in the app then you should be able to call them
[22:58] <shaneo1> no its just the stock image I flashed to the phone
[23:01] <Wiesel> ah, tried it again, now they are there
[23:01] <mattviator> i havent even tseen the sms app
[23:01] <shaneo1> :-)
[23:02] <shaneo1> sms app has a lot of work to be done to it, need to open up the typing window too small
[23:03] <mattviator> ya and the only thing i can copy and paste to/from is the browser
[23:04] <mattviator> i was able to copy a comma from a webpage but cant paste into anything native
[23:04] <mattviator> lol
[23:04] <Wiesel> btw. what browser is it? the user agent is from iphone 5 :)
[23:05] <dank101> yo
[23:07] <Oniz> Guys, i'm seen this episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=_lWD4OG5sZM
[23:07] <Oniz> i'm Italian and having so laugh!
[23:08] <CdmaJedi> lol i did that with a french girl i dated. when we texted, i would google translate everything
[23:08] <CdmaJedi> eventually she found out that i didnt speak french
[23:09] <Oniz> Lol
[23:09] <Oniz> nice try
[23:09] <dantalizing> anyone else getting errors syncing?
[23:09] <Oniz> me
[23:09] <CdmaJedi> everyone
[23:09] <CdmaJedi> servers are slammed
[23:09] <Oniz> D:
[23:09] <CdmaJedi> no mirrors
[23:10] <Oniz> no party
[23:10] <dantalizing> kk ... i figured as much
[23:10] <Oniz> i don't think that canonical expect so many people starts porting UbuntuOS
[23:11] <dantalizing> would be cool if there was some scalable cloud solution for something like this
[23:11] <dantalizing> wait wut?
[23:11] <oneadvent> any cdma ports yet?
[23:12] <dantalizing> oneadvent: thats what i was hoping to work on
[23:12] <oneadvent> dantalizing: i bought the nexus galaxy just for this :(
[23:12] <dantalizing> oneadvent: a cdma one?
[23:12] <dank101> yes
[23:12] <doomlord> i have one too but from what i'veread i resist installing this
[23:12] <oneadvent> yea dantalizing i bought it like a month ago
[23:12] <dank101> there are CDMA ports
[23:13] <doomlord> i was after desktop convergance, so i really need an n7 + ubuntu-arm-desktop
[23:13] <dank101> toro or toroplus?
[23:13] <doomlord> +dualboot
[23:13] <oneadvent> dank101: toro
[23:13] <mattviator> theyre getting ports wether they like them or not
[23:13] <Cskater55> there is a bootable .zip for galaxy nexus toroplus on xda
[23:13] <lnorbiato> hello guys, someone can tell me if the phone runs on ubuntu motorola droid 3?
[23:13] <Cskater55> but i dont think its an actual port
[23:13] <oneadvent> Cskater55: none for just toro?
[23:13] <dantalizing> toro ports with actual workign radios?
[23:13] <dank101> oneadvent, flash this in TWRP/CWMR: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38294870
[23:13] <Cskater55> there is one for toro as well
[23:14] <dank101> Toro version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38294870
[23:14] <oneadvent> i saw one to make it boot but no calls
[23:14] <xlentee> so has there been any progress in regards to the UI? I heard its laggy
[23:14] <oneadvent> i played with it for a min, was def only for devs :P
[23:14] <Cskater55> it goes in and out from what I saw you just cant be doing too much at once
[23:15] <lnorbiato> hello guys, someone can tell me if the ubuntu-phone runs on motorola droid 3?
[23:15] <CdmaJedi> inor- it's in the motd
[23:16] <CdmaJedi> if there is cm10.1 support for your phone, it will be portable. check cm's site for official/unofficial 10.1 morts
[23:16] <Cskater55> this may be a dumb question but i'm working on an actual port for the toroplus but i'm having issues with the git repository it says fatal:could not read from remote repository anyone know how i could fix that?
[23:16] <CdmaJedi> ports*
[23:16] <CdmaJedi> the repo is getting slammed
[23:16] <CdmaJedi> no mirrors
[23:16] <CdmaJedi> i need to bind that to a key
[23:17] <Cskater55> i figured as much
[23:17] <dantalizing> lol
[23:17] <dantalizing> again ...
[23:17] <Cskater55> i got to like 75% downloaded then it cut out
[23:17] <dantalizing> would be cool if there was some scalable cloud solution for something like this
[23:17] <Cskater55> i agree
[23:17] <dantalizing> that was sarcasm
[23:18] <Oniz> i was on 107/136
[23:18] <Oniz> and kicked me off
[23:19] <Oniz> dled all dependecies but can't sync repo :-(
[23:19] <mattviator> problem is people are thinking this is beta
[23:19] <mattviator> when its pre-alpha
[23:19] <mattviator> :/
[23:19] <ali1234> mattviator: whut
[23:20] <Oniz> i like to develop somethig
[23:20] <ali1234> it's a developer preview
[23:20] <ali1234> developers like to look at source code
[23:20] <ali1234> that's the problem
[23:20] <ali1234> well, the problem is source code is 16GB
[23:20] <mattviator> alot of "regular" users are downloading
[23:20] <CdmaJedi> ^
[23:21] <CdmaJedi> hell, someone make a torrent
[23:21] <Oniz> ali1234: have u ever downloaded a CM repo?
[23:21] <Oniz> like 15G of files
[23:22] <ali1234> i would upload it to someone's mirror but i only have 20kb up
[23:22] <onlychevys> UMM, nevermind I'm not the only one that can't sync anything lol
[23:22] <CdmaJedi> i wish there was an irc grep command
[23:23] <CdmaJedi> i have 500, but it would still take forever
[23:23] <Oniz> i have 1Mbit
[23:23] <Oniz> can help u
[23:23] <Oniz> can't
[23:23] <CdmaJedi> no i mean i have 2mbit
[23:23] <Oniz> maybe at work
[23:23] <CdmaJedi> 500KB
[23:24] <Oniz> 24Mbit Up/Dk
[23:24] <Oniz> Dl
[23:24] <CdmaJedi> actually, that math doesnt add up
[23:24] <CdmaJedi> nice
[23:24] <Oniz> but i'll go work on monday
[23:24] <CdmaJedi> i want to move to KC for google fiber
[23:25] <Oniz> here in Italy only companies can get fiber... costs too much
[23:25] <onlychevys> I got first initial sync that tool 22 hrs. now I just want to pull my device files but keep getting: fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer
[23:26] <dorgan> hello all
[23:26] <CdmaJedi> google deployed gigabit fiber in one city as a test
[23:26] <Oniz> :-Q_
[23:26] <CdmaJedi> but it's frigging kansas city
[23:26] <mattviator> 2 cities
[23:26] <CdmaJedi> i have 50 down/20 up, bout would rather 1000/1000
[23:27] <dorgan> i have 60 down and 5 up
[23:27] <CdmaJedi> are you counting KC as 2 cities?
[23:27] <mattviator> kansas city kansas and kansas city missouri
[23:27] <dantalizing> morning dorgan
[23:27] <CdmaJedi> or is there really another city?
[23:27] <Wiesel> 50/2.5 and 100/100 on my server
[23:27] <CdmaJedi> LOL
[23:27] <CdmaJedi> called it
[23:27] <mattviator> :p
[23:28] <dorgan> hey dantalizing, how goes it
[23:28] <dorgan> dantalizing: morning??
[23:28] <dantalizing> meh
[23:28] <Oniz> guys where are u from'
[23:28] <Oniz> ?
[23:28] <dantalizing> fl
[23:28] <CdmaJedi> fl
[23:28] <Oniz> fl?
[23:28] <CdmaJedi> florida
[23:29] <dantalizing> as in fl-orida
[23:29] <CdmaJedi> orlando, fl
[23:29] <mattviator> dont you get a "free" 5 mbit connection
[23:29] <Oniz> oh
[23:29] <mattviator> $300 install
[23:29] <mattviator> free forever after that?
[23:29] <CdmaJedi> i think it's a data cap of 5gb/mo
[23:29] <CdmaJedi> full speeds though
[23:30] <dank101> CdmaJedi, yo
[23:30] <dorgan> florida
[23:30] <dank101> anyone with a AT&T galaxy SIII
[23:30] <CdmaJedi> sup dank
[23:30] <CdmaJedi> i might have one available
[23:30] <dank101> nm
[23:30] <CdmaJedi> well, my coworker has one
[23:31] <dank101> Oh, don'y
[23:31] <dank101> *don't
[23:31] <dank101> it's for testing
[23:31] <CdmaJedi> is wary of me flashing a developer preview to it
[23:31] <dank101> i possibly has a workin alpha for d2att
[23:34] <Oniz> when ppl can finish to dl repos
[23:35] <Oniz> i think that ppl can port on other devices
[23:35]  * xIndirect gets to work on porting
[23:35] <ali1234> hmm
[23:36] <dorgan> i'm backup up my nexus7 right now using adb then I am going to install the alpha
[23:36] <ali1234> looks like the repo manifest is set up to use 4 parallel sync jobs. that probably isnt helping
[23:37] <Oniz> only 4?
[23:37] <Oniz> i don't think so
[23:38] <ali1234> <default revision="refs/heads/phablet-10.1"           remote="phablet"           sync-c="true"           sync-j="4" />
[23:39] <Oniz> oh
[23:39] <Oniz> really nice
[23:39] <mastermi1d> wazaaa
[23:39] <mastermi1d> Im installing tuch preview in my nexus 7 right now
[23:39] <mastermi1d> Any warnings or advice?
[23:39] <dorgan> I just doing a backup and i will be doing the same
[23:39] <dorgan> :)
[23:40] <ali1234> http://code.google.com/p/gittorrent/ hmm...
[23:41] <Oniz> ali1234: nice idea
[23:42] <ali1234> unfortunately, not usable yet it seems
[23:42] <Oniz> ye, damm
[23:42] <CdmaJedi> damn
[23:42] <CdmaJedi> or
[23:43] <CdmaJedi> torrent the thing, host it locally, and change the git address to <IP_ADDRESS> in your /etc/hosts file?
[23:43] <catrielmuller_> Hello guys.
[23:43] <CdmaJedi> wait
[23:43] <CdmaJedi> you wouldnt need to download it again after you... nevermind
[23:43] <ali1234> yeah i would make a torrent... but i only have 20kb upload...
[23:43] <catrielmuller_> i have this error http://pastebin.com/MLNLWhaR
[23:44] <ali1234> catrielmuller_: everyone has that error
[23:44] <ali1234> the server is on fire
[23:44] <catrielmuller_> Thanks
[23:44] <catrielmuller_> :P
[23:44] <Oniz> and probably thinks a DDOS attack!
[23:44] <dorgan> ali1234: why is it not usable yet?
[23:44] <mastermi1d> What is not usable?
[23:45] <ali1234> gittorrent
[23:45] <Tigrouzen> need i7 core to use it
[23:45] <dorgan> ali1234: or should i say how is it not usable?
[23:45] <ali1234> dorgan: read what i linked
[23:46] <CdmaJedi> anyone flash cdma phones?
[23:46] <dorgan> oh i thought you meant the tablet preview wasnt usable
[23:46] <ali1234> well that's a different story
[23:47] <Oniz> guys I go playing a little, i stay online. C u later
[23:47] <mastermi1d> I thought so also
[23:50] <pigeonor> any verizon galaxy nexus update?
[23:50] <catrielmuller_> Is not there a torrent available?
[23:50] <CdmaJedi> nope
[23:50] <CdmaJedi> git
[23:51] <pigeonor> is it usable yet?
[23:51] <ali1234> how do i actually make torrent?
[23:51] <pigeonor> like make calls?
[23:51] <ali1234> pigeonor: on some phones yes
[23:51] <CdmaJedi> you can make one through most torrent clients
[23:51] <ali1234> CdmaJedi: i don't know how to use torrent client
[23:51] <pigeonor> ali1234: some? just not the verizon galaxy nexus?
[23:52] <ali1234> pigeonor: no idea on specifics
[23:52] <CdmaJedi> you've never used a torrent client?
[23:52] <pigeonor> ok
[23:52] <ali1234> CdmaJedi: i click on torrent, i get file... this is all i know :)
[23:52] <CdmaJedi> lol
[23:52] <CdmaJedi> ok
[23:52] <pigeonor> lol
[23:52] <catrielmuller_> someone can upload a zip of your mirror?
[23:52] <CdmaJedi> what programs loads when you clock on a torrent
[23:52] <ali1234> transmission
[23:52] <CdmaJedi> ohhhh
[23:52] <CdmaJedi> youre in ubuntu?
[23:52] <ali1234> yes
[23:53] <pigeonor> ali1234: click on the plus sign
[23:53] <CdmaJedi>  was going to suggest utorrent
[23:53] <pigeonor> it will make one
[23:53] <bmwracer0> catrielmuller_: also having trouble cloning?
[23:53] <CdmaJedi> k, handing this off to pigeonor
[23:54] <pigeonor> ali1234: you click the + sign, click the file
[23:54] <pigeonor> then boom, done
[23:54] <catrielmuller_> bmwracer0: yes...
[23:54] <ali1234> pigeonor: i don't see any + but file -> new appears to work
[23:54] <pigeonor> ok
[23:54] <pigeonor> yeah
[23:54] <ali1234> pigeonor: but, after i make torrent, then what?
[23:54] <pigeonor> then you can share that torrent file
[23:54] <pigeonor> or upload it to a torrent site
[23:55] <pigeonor> i use mac transmission
[23:55] <ali1234> don't i need a tracker or something?
[23:55] <pigeonor> no, not reALLY
[23:55] <mainerror> o/
[23:55] <ali1234> ok let me first clean up my repo
[23:55] <pigeonor> if you send me the torrent file, i should be able to dl it
[23:56] <catrielmuller_> i wanna that torrent file...
[23:56] <mainerror> Is it just me or is the Qt5 API reference a bit confusing?
[23:56] <pigeonor> i really want wait to get a working version on my verizon galaxy nexus
[23:57] <ali1234> hmm
[23:57] <mattviator> no its confusing
[23:57] <ali1234> i've got idea...
[23:58] <pigeonor> ?
[23:58] <ali1234> i can clone cyanogen onto my server
[23:58] <ali1234> then pull from my workstation using cyanogen as reference
[23:59] <pigeonor> ok
[23:59] <ali1234> then i avoid 20kb
[23:59] <ali1234> then i'll have it mirrored on fast server :)
[23:59] <ali1234> then i can make torrent
[23:59] <pigeonor> cool
[23:59] <mrgoodcat> are you going to post torrent here?
[23:59] <catrielmuller_> Really Cool
[23:59] <ali1234> sure, if i can pull this off
[23:59] <pigeonor> what is the torrent for?


[08:19] <oSoMoN> jibel, hey, can silo 3 be marked ready for QA validation? the automated tests signoff is marked failed because of https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-003/excuses.html , but that’s harmless and a false warning really, given that the version of oxide-qt in xenial-security hasn’t been copied over to the overlay PPA
[08:27] <dbarth> sil2100: one thing i worry though is that enabling arm64 builds in a ppa will not be specific to a release
[08:27] <dbarth> ie, we will have build failures when we upload releases for vivid and below
[08:29] <jibel> oSoMoN, done
[08:30] <oSoMoN> jibel, thanks!
[09:23] <bzoltan> sil2100:  would you be able to merge that silo under the  https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1485 ?
[09:26] <sil2100> bzoltan: let me take a look
[09:26] <sil2100> bzoltan: do you know why that one autopkgtest is failing?
[09:27] <sil2100> bzoltan: is that some temporary failure? Maybe a retry will help? Or is it a known regression somewhere else?
[09:28] <bzoltan> sil2100: I do not see any regressing autopkg test.
[09:28] <bzoltan> sil2100:  do I miss something?
[09:29] <sil2100> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[09:29] <sil2100> Regression in ubuntuone-credentials
[09:29] <sil2100> I could re-run that if you suspect it's a transient issue
[09:32] <bzoltan> sil2100:  must be a flaky test because here it did pass - https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/yakkety/landing-047/excuses.html
[09:32] <bzoltan> sil2100:  a restart would be nice, yes, please
[09:33] <bzoltan> sil2100: you are doing what Timo used to do for me :)
[09:33] <sil2100> bzoltan: ok, let's wait and see if it passes, if it does it should migrate and auto-merge in a bit
[09:34] <sil2100> If not we can dive in and then manually merge it
[10:24] <sil2100> bzoltan: autopkgtest passed now, let's see if it migrates soon :)
[10:26] <bzoltan> sil2100: \o/
[15:53] <ChrisTownsend> trainguards: Hey, I set https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1506 to Lander Approved over 30 minutes ago and it's not running (yet).  How can I check to see if its queued to run?
[15:55] <robru> ChrisTownsend: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/tickets?active_only&lander_signoff=Approved
[15:56] <robru> ChrisTownsend: britney is quite slow, usually an hour iterate over all silos, so usually an hour before it notices a new one
[15:56] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Ok, but can I tell if it's actually queued for britney to run or what the status of that job is from there?
[15:56] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Ok, so another case of me being impatient again:)
[15:58] <robru> ChrisTownsend: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/bileto/view/head:/britney/iterate.py#L39 here's the actual api endpoint uses to iterate over so as long as your ticket matches that, it'll go
[15:58] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Ok, thanks
[15:59] <robru> ChrisTownsend: you're welcome
[16:29] <oSoMoN> plars, hey, the arale-02 slave of the system-apps jenkins instance is down (has been for quite a few days apparently), is it known?
[16:30] <plars> oSoMoN: looking
[16:32] <plars> oSoMoN: looks like it was continually trying to connect and failing for a while there, so it gives up after too many retries. Possibly IS had brought it down for an upgrade or something?
[16:32] <plars> oSoMoN: should be up now
[16:32] <oSoMoN> plars, awesome, thanks!
[16:48] <dobey> robru: maybe change the UI so that it says "Queueing" or something, when there's no other status yet. or ideally changing the lander signoff would immediately trigger a britney run on that silo.
[16:49] <robru> dobey: no can do. When i implemented the britney support initially goal was to run it in parallel but it OOMs with just a couple running, so it has to be limited just one run at a time
[16:50] <robru> dobey: marking it Approved IS queueing it so I'm not sure why that needs extra status
[16:50] <dobey> robru: because the autopkgtests status being totally blank for an hour or more is obviously confusing
[16:51] <dobey> robru: which is why everyone always comes in here and asks what the status is, and you have to reply with the same answer over and over again :)
[16:51] <robru> dobey: people just need to learn
[16:52] <robru> dobey: fine I'll make it say queued.
[16:52] <dobey> robru: i'll remember that the next time design tells me to change some UI :)
[17:29] <robru> dobey: hey can you access the train? looks to me like train (prod + staging) and canonical irc have gone offlien
[17:29] <dobey> robru: irc went down for me too
[17:29] <robru> dobey: I can ssh into wendigo but I can't juju status
[17:29] <dobey> and train seems down as well
[17:30] <robru> dobey: should we ping somebody about this or just assume they've noticed...?
[17:31] <dobey> robru: not sure, but i would presume IS might notice that everyone disconnected from IRC, assuming they are still connected
[17:31] <robru> dobey: this is because I rolled out that 'queued' feature you wanted, took down the whole network! I blame you!
[17:31] <dobey> but given the hour, i'd expect the people on this side of the pond to have noticed it died :)
[17:32] <dobey> robru: hah. i was only suggesting the change, to help you spend less time answering the same requestion repeatedly :)
[17:32] <dobey> although maybe now it will just be "why is my silo 'queued' for an hour?!"
[17:32] <robru> dobey: yup, looking forward to that one
[17:33] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Why is my silo queued for over an hour now?;-)
[17:33]  * robru tears hair out
[17:34] <robru> #is-outage: 09:59:54 <deej> Rolling out CUD r7435, once more with feeling
[17:34] <robru> 10:14:16 Connection closed unexpectedly
[17:34] <robru> heh
[17:34] <ChrisTownsend> robru: But I think having some sort of feedback in that line is better than nothing, so I appreciate the change.
[17:34] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Day3oxR9Efk
[17:35] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: lol
[17:36] <robru> heh
[18:03] <pmcgowan> dobey, is xenial using qt 5.6
[18:04] <dobey> probably
[18:05] <dobey> pmcgowan: 5.5.1 still it seems
[18:06] <pmcgowan> hmm
[18:06] <pmcgowan> thanks dobey
[18:16] <robru> Ugh, no queuebot
[19:37] <ChrisTownsend> trainguards: I think the xenial i386 britney run is not really running or queued: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-051/excuses.html
[19:38] <robru> ChrisTownsend: indeed
[19:39] <robru> ChrisTownsend: pitti is the only person i know that can fixit
[19:40] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Ugh, and he's not around.
[19:40] <robru> ChrisTownsend: yeah sorry.
[19:41] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Not your fault.  Thanks.
[19:41] <robru> ChrisTownsend: you're welcome
[20:13] <ChrisTownsend> Wow, no silos are available: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/793/console
[20:17] <tvoss> robru, o/
[20:17] <robru> tvoss: ahoy
[20:17] <robru> ChrisTownsend: fun times, I'll try to free a couple up
[20:17] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Ok, thanks
[20:17] <tvoss> robru, hey, could copy the packages from https://launchpad.net/~turbo-private/+archive/ubuntu/ppa to silo 41?
[20:17] <robru> tvoss: sure
[20:17] <tvoss> robru, thx
[20:18] <robru> tvoss: that URL 404s tho
[20:18] <tvoss> robru, try again
[20:20] <robru> tvoss: I don't seem to have permission to copy packages from there
[20:20] <tvoss> robru, just gave you access, please try again
[20:21] <robru> tvoss: https://launchpad.net/~turbo-private/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages "not allowed here"
[20:21] <robru> tvoss: considering that I'm about to copy the packages into a public PPA, maybe just make the PPA public temporarily?
[20:28] <robru> ChrisTownsend: ok I freed one try assigning now
[20:28] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Ok, that worked.  Thanks!
[20:29] <robru> ChrisTownsend: you're welcome
[20:34] <dobey> robru: converting a PPA from private to public (or reverse) is not trivial i think.
[20:35] <dobey> seems like people who are asking to copy packages from a private ppa though, should first just copy said packages to a public PPA somewhere, and then ask to copy from the public PPA. or something
[20:51] <robru> dobey: meh, that would trigger an unnecessary rebuild
[20:53] <dobey> robru: why? binary copy is binary copy
[20:53] <robru> dobey: true.
[20:54] <robru> ChrisTownsend: turns out you can get somebody from #ubuntu-release to retry those autopkgtests for you, just link them to the relevant excuses page.
[20:54] <ChrisTownsend> robru: Ah, that's good to know.  I'm glad not just one person holds the keys to that:)
[20:54] <robru> ChrisTownsend: yeah for a while now I thought it was just pitti, so I learned something today ;-)
[20:56] <ChrisTownsend> robru: I sent a general message in there, so hopefully someone is around.  Thanks for pointing that out.
[20:57] <robru> ChrisTownsend: you're welcome
[21:33] <dobey> robru: what the heck. trying to rebuild a silo, and when i click the big build button it just shows me the log of the previous build, and doesn't actually do anything :-/
[21:33] <robru> dobey: try reloading?
[21:34] <dobey> i did
[21:34] <robru> dobey: what ticket?
[21:34] <dobey> robru: 1461
[21:36] <robru> dobey: hmm one sec
[21:37] <robru> dobey: ok I pushed a fix, try again in 5 minutes.
[21:38] <dobey> ok
[21:42] <robru> dobey: any luck?
[21:43] <dobey> robru: seems to be doing stuff now
[21:46] <dobey> robru: thanks
[21:47] <robru> dobey: yay, sorry about that