[10:56] <jason> the package must have used another directory other than the mplayer default
[10:56] <Torched> !wmv
[10:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:56] <Jucato> jason: ah I thought you were talking about w32codecs
[10:56] <flaccid> that doesn't seem to be all of em
[10:56] <jason> yes
[10:56] <jason> i downloaded them
[10:57] <flaccid> does it log the service starts with [ok]
[10:57] <flaccid> which file is that
[10:57] <Jucato> jason: the w32codecs .deb file?
[10:57] <jason> no
[10:57] <jason> zip file
[10:57] <Jucato> ah that's a different thing.
[10:57] <jason> .deb?
[10:58] <jason> i have adept
[10:58] <dinosaur-rus> flaccid: look at the /var/logs/syslog, may be you'll find something there
[10:58] <jason> but i dont think the sources serve up w32codecs
[10:58] <flaccid> dinosaur-rus: yeah not there
[10:58] <zorglu_>  /usr/lib/codecs <- is where the .deb installed mine
[10:59] <jason> let me look
[10:59] <dinosaur-rus> flaccif: look other files in /var/logs
[10:59] <zorglu_> flaccid: as far as i know the [ok]  line are not logged
[10:59] <flaccid> dinosaur-rus: yeah can't seem to find it
[11:00] <jason> nosuch directory
[11:00] <dinosaur-rus> flaccid: may be /var/log? my brains are buggy a bit :))
[11:00] <flaccid> if i log into gnome and then logout, it hardcrashes
[11:01] <dinosaur-rus> flaccid: try #ubuntu channel
[11:02] <tomas_> hola
[11:02] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[11:03] <kay> how can i mount a nfts hd so that i can use it as user? when i am su i can look at it but not as user
[11:03] <zorglu_> !ntfs
[11:03] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:04] <dinosaur-rus> !mc
[11:04] <hsihh> Jucato - and what about video server? how is it in kubuntu and ubuntu?
[11:04] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2073 kB, installed size 5952 kB
[11:04] <zorglu_> kay: look at the page, especially the 'user' option in the /etc/fstab
[11:04] <kay> zorglu_: THX!
[11:04] <dinosaur-rus> yeah I like mc :P
[11:06] <flaccid> which file contains default window manager for user?
[11:06] <jason> heres an easy 1 whats the command for copy?
[11:07] <zorglu_> jason: cp sourcefile destfile
[11:07] <jason> ty
[11:07] <zorglu_> jason: replace the name obviously :)
[11:07] <zorglu_> flaccid: this one is not trivial. you tried to do it with the kdm menu ? likely much easier that using file
[11:08] <flaccid> zorglu_: doing some troubleshooting
[11:08] <kay> ok thx for help but i need to know how i can give the hda1 (nfts) to the users? i can mount it and look at it but only as superuser
[11:09] <zorglu_> else the option is buried in the x startup, somewhere in startx, ~/.xsessions and such, i dunno where exactly, flaccid
[11:09] <flaccid> ok i'll google
[11:09] <dinosaur-rus> kay: there're "nouser" and "umask" parameters
[11:09] <kay> dinosaur-rus: what does this mean?
[11:10] <dinosaur-rus> kay: look "man fstab" and "man mount" for details
[11:10] <kay> k
[11:10] <kay> thx
[11:11] <flaccid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81431
[11:11] <flaccid> ^^^ typical ubuntu situation
[11:12] <flaccid> there is a bug, solution is always to reconfugure instead of manually editing the required file
[11:12] <flaccid> seems quite common people doing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop on top of kubuntu and running into this
[11:20] <zorglu_> noted
[11:21] <zorglu_> flaccid: note the date of the thread tho, it it oct/2005 for 5.10
[11:22] <flaccid> zorglu_: thats even worse
[11:22] <flaccid> nothing done
[11:23] <zorglu_> or the same bug cames back to life
[11:23] <zorglu_> flaccid: is the fix working ?
[11:23] <flaccid> no
[11:24] <flaccid> i hate reconfigure fixes. why loose your existing config?
[11:24] <zorglu_> i understand your point
[11:25] <flaccid> its just things like this
[11:25] <flaccid> is why i swapped from fedora
[11:26] <flaccid> doesn't seem like many distros have the abstraction between x components set very stable
[11:26] <zorglu_> well X is complex and old. so we have to handle the compatibility
[11:27] <flaccid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81431
[11:27] <flaccid> i disagree
[11:27] <flaccid> its not really that complex at all
[11:27] <flaccid> in this case its conflict with what kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop do
[11:27] <zorglu_> i guess we have a very different view of complexity :)
[11:28] <zorglu_> ah ok, yes what you try to do should not break anything
[11:28] <flaccid> is the only way to install a working gnome by install ubuntu-desktop?
[11:28] <flaccid> but it does..
[11:28] <zorglu_> hence it is a bug :)
[11:29] <flaccid> not that its a solution. its an ignorant assumption.
[11:29] <flaccid> looks like lots of people reporting the problem but no one fixing it
[11:29] <flaccid> and because ubuntu is more desktop oriented, its hard to find out what the actual file where a config is stored
[11:30] <flaccid> intead you get a dpkg-reconfigure 'solution'
[11:30] <zorglu_> yep software are not perfect
[11:30] <flaccid> its coz like there are more desktop users in the community
[11:30] <flaccid> need more nitty gritty users to solve problems like this
[11:31] <flaccid> like i still can't find how kubuntu handles default window manager with xinitrc
[11:31] <zorglu_> yep always a tradeoff, either you are easy to use so hide the complexity from the users, or you dont
[11:31] <zorglu_> if the complexity is hidden, less people knows how to fix it
[11:32] <zorglu_> but you get a lot more users
[11:32] <flaccid> both can be done
[11:32] <flaccid> like more available documentation would help
[11:32] <zorglu_> to expose the complexity and remain easy to use is possible but require a large coherent community :)
[11:33] <flaccid> there would have to be some..
[11:33] <flaccid> i thought thats what this is
[11:34] <flaccid> i guess i'm looking for documentation on kubuntu's structure
[11:34] <flaccid> it would have to exist?
[11:35] <zorglu_> depend on what you are looking for
[11:36] <zorglu_> if i were you, i would look at the x startup documentation
[11:36] <flaccid> oh cool where is that
[11:36] <zorglu_> then parse the various/multiple config file
[11:36] <zorglu_> then fix
[11:36] <zorglu_> somewhere in the web :) and not easy to find would be my guess
[11:36] <zorglu_> or you could report the bug and talk to people who may know in kubuntu
[11:37] <flaccid> rightio, then how did you know it existed?
[11:37] <zorglu_> it would be faster and benefit to the whole community
[11:37] <zorglu_> it = ?/
[11:38] <flaccid> bbl
[11:50] <Lechero> someone has wath "it crowd" :) i am wathing it and is the best geek videos that i have never seen lol lol
[11:50] <sorush20> hi
[11:51] <promethevs_> hey, anyone know when a bug in amarok xine engine will be fixed?
[11:51] <sorush20> I keep getting a blue box like this on fgl_glxgears
[11:51] <sorush20> http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7507/pantallazopbufferglxgears6tk.png
[11:51] <sorush20> promethevs_: what bug?
[11:51] <promethevs_> it is almost a 2 months since amarok cant play flac files
[11:51] <Lechero> this bug have been reported?
[11:52] <Lechero> may to be license problems
[11:52] <promethevs_> i don't know
[11:52] <promethevs_> flac is open source
[11:52] <zorglu_> look in launchpad to find if it has been reported, else fill it
[11:53] <zorglu_> if it is reported you can follow the progression on the work made on it
[11:54] <promethevs_> ive find a workaround (downgrade libxine-main with 3rdparty patch) but update notifier notifies of newer (broken) version
[11:54] <Lechero> sorush20: are you spanish?
[11:55] <zorglu_> promethevs_: this is important information, be sure to include this in the bug report
[11:56] <thygrrr> Hi, what's this "Kernel Build Environment" that the ATI fglrx drivers need. Apparently the current version of the driver doesn't have a precompiled module for my current kernel.
[11:57] <Lechero> you could get the source of you linux-image with apt-get source linux-image-x.y.z-386 and then apply the path and then do a make modules_prepare and then compile the ati drivers
[11:57] <promethevs_> this problem is discussed here for at least four months http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210683
[11:57] <Flosoft> hey
[11:58] <Flosoft> does any use mutella?
[11:59] <hsihh> hi. who will get the kubuntu ico from cd,and post it on internet for me, in http://www.megaupload.com/ in example?
[12:00] <Lechero> why do you want to do that? kubuntu can be downloaded from kubuntu.org directly
[12:00] <hsihh> i`m downloading the iso, but need the ico now, and i can`t find it on google
[12:00] <trappist> wget http://kubuntu.org/favicon.ico
[12:01] <trappist> ico?
[12:01] <trappist> an ico file is just an icon
[12:01] <zorglu_> hsihh: what is this ico you are talking about
[12:01] <Lechero> ico = icon or you want to say iso?
[12:02] <promethevs_> where i can see/add a bug?
[12:02] <zorglu_> https://launchpad.net/malone <- promethevs_
[12:03] <trappist> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[12:03] <Lechero> promethevs_: if you enter on the amarok oficial web page there are a section for submit bugs
[12:03] <Ademan> what files do the power saving settings get installed to?
[12:04] <Ademan> saved to*
[12:04] <PiR> hello
[12:04] <Ademan> i guess i'm getting tired
[12:04] <Lechero> someone know if is truth the rumor that ubuntu edgy dont will be sent free to you home?
[12:04] <Ademan> don't will?
[12:04] <flaccid> yay windows key shortcuts no longer work form e
[12:05] <Lechero> or wont :) i dont speak english like i could to speak it
[12:05] <PiR> when i update with adept, it can't to update a macromedia flash package
[12:05] <promethevs_> thanx for link
[12:05] <Ademan> Lechero: I haven't heard that, Why would they stop sending them out?
[12:05] <PiR> how can i solve this problem ?
[12:05] <Ademan> They've done it for a long time now
[12:06] <hsihh> i`m searching for kubuntu version of this icon: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OWGGFHW2
[12:06] <Ademan> PiR: well for one don't use adept, its got tons of known problems
[12:06] <Lechero> Ademan: i have read that on dig at least 2 month ago
[12:06] <Ademan> either use the commadn line or Synaptic
[12:06] <hsihh> zorglu_ ^
[12:06] <promethevs_> this is xine related bug, and someone reported this already
[12:06] <Ademan> Lechero: anyone can submit any news about anything on digg :-)
[12:06] <PiR> ok Ademan
[12:06] <zorglu_> hsihh: this link just provide me a bunch of ads, but nothing else
[12:07] <zorglu_> !flash
[12:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:07] <zorglu_> PiR: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-c268ba69c6b38af1dc31ea09701c7d296cf971c3 in particular
[12:08] <Lechero> yes but is true that on the other version you could to submit cd request at least 1 month before the oficial realease, and there arent possibbly to submit cds of edgy yet
[12:08] <Ademan> where do KDE power saving settings get saved to?
[12:09] <zorglu_> http://everythingelse.wordpress.com/2006/09/20/shipit-will-not-take-orders-for-edgy-eft/ <- about shipit and edgy
[12:09] <Ademan> zorglu_: well... maybe thats because edgy isnt released yet?
[12:09] <zorglu_> Ademan: apparently it is more because edgy is a developement release
[12:10] <zorglu_> Ademan: dapper being the stable one
[12:10] <Ademan> ah
[12:10] <Ademan> interesting
[12:10] <Ademan> if there's any better hardware support in edgy though... that would be nice...
[12:11] <zorglu_> anything which is dimmed stable in edgy will be backported to dapper
[12:11] <Ademan> zorglu_: but what about people who can't even INSTALL dapper because of hardware issues? (i don't know if that happens, but in theory it could right?)
[12:12] <zorglu_> Ademan: if edgy is installable for them, they can either download edgy from the internet or wait to the change to be backported to dapper
[12:13] <zorglu_> i do understand the position of shipit on this, to spread a developement version to plain users is not a good idea
[12:13] <zorglu_> they may be mislead into thinking it is a stable one
[12:14] <Lechero> ubuntu may to have better suport for palms devices, now work but the sync is doing when kpilot want and not when you want :)
[12:15] <zorglu_> talk to kpilot dev about this
[12:15] <zorglu_> one of the hard part with open source is to find the one responsible for a task :)
[12:15] <zorglu_> there is a #kpilot channel :)
[12:16] <flaccid> i wish dapper was more stable :)
[12:17] <Lechero> the problem isnt from kpilot, it seem to be a kernel problem, or a system problem. Because the problem is that when you plug the first time the palm the system create /dev/pilot, but when you push the sync buton again it create another /dev/pilot-1 device, and then a /dev/pilot-2... etc... :)
[12:17] <thygrrr> How do I turn off password storing in Konqueror?
[12:17] <thygrrr> (e.g. for web site logins)
[12:17] <Lechero> and if you configure kpilot for use /dev/pilot only work the first time the you push sync button lol
[12:18] <hsihh> zorglu_ http://<IP_ADDRESS>/a753fd6dca17e7d90c3363be5a8276e8/other/ubuntu.ico kubuntu version of this
[12:19] <zorglu_> hsihh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork <- may be of interest
[12:20] <flaccid> another dismal bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/control-center/+bug/12153
[12:21] <Lechero> see you later
[12:21] <zorglu_> flaccid: like old thread hey :) i use the window key as modifier key on my box
[12:22] <flaccid> another old bug that has carried through the distro versions. read the last threads..
[12:23] <flaccid> i don't even know what a modifier key is
[12:23] <hsihh> zorglu_ thanks
[12:23] <zorglu_> flaccid: it is window key + some other key, in this case the window key is a modifier key
[12:24] <zorglu_> flaccid: because you add it to some other key
[12:24] <flaccid> usually for adding those symbols to chars
[12:24] <flaccid> i know what you mean
[12:24] <flaccid> doesn't help the bug however
[12:25] <flaccid> its like 2 major bugs in one day
[12:25] <flaccid> for me
[12:27] <thygrrr> Which kernel version would you suggest for ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version 8.29.6 ? During installation, it says it has no matching precompiled module, and I think I want to avoid compiling a new one (mostly because I have no damn clue what to get).
[12:29] <keelbill> hi any of you knows a how to for kbuntu edgy + nvidia beta drivers and beryl?
[12:30] <Lechero> hi again
[12:31] <thygrrr> Lechero: What did you mean earlier by "apply the path" with regard to the linux kernel sources.
[12:32] <Lechero> i meant to do a path -p1 ../file.diff for apply the differences that have the ubuntu kernel binaries
[12:32] <flaccid> who else has had problems with ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed?
[12:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry? if i am using dhclient as a daemon and i want to renew the lease, what do i have to do? since if i call again sudo dhclient eht1, the result is that another dhcpclient process is added to the process tree.... can you give me any suggestion? basically i'd like to have a refresh function, like the one that is used in MS windows
[12:34] <flaccid> lol another bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-autostart/+bug/49859
[12:34] <oheard> ``Replacing the venerable Gnopernicus is the new Orca, a scriptable screenreader for the GNOME desktop. Expect some great things from this in the coming months and years. Best of all, it is written in Ubuntu's favourite language, Python." <-= shouldn't that read ``Best of all, it is written in Mark Shuttleworth's favorite language, Python."? xD
[12:35] <Lechero> OpenBSD, one bug in 15 years, Ubuntu 1 bug per seconds :)
[12:35] <thygrrr> Lachero: oook. path... I guess you meant patch.
[12:35] <octan> hi all
[12:36] <Bazzi> Lechero: openbsd is not on crack like ubuntu though ;)
[12:36] <thygrrr> Lechero: apt said dpkg-source: applying ./linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-27.48.diff.gz , so I guess it applied it already.
[12:36] <oheard> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Beta <-= why is that all about Ubuntu? Where can I find info about Kubuntu Edgy? -_-
[12:36] <Lechero> thygrrr: sorry, maybe i fail on writting "path" but my english is really bad :)
[12:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !edgy
[12:36] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[12:36] <thygrrr> Lechero: No problem, thanks :D
[12:37] <jan_> i someone here familiar with Oracle?
[12:37] <Lechero> jan_ a lot of, i use it on my university :)
[12:38] <jan_> yeah, but can you tell me how to install it on Kubuntu? i'm quite new on this al
[12:38] <octan> how do i tell which order the modules are loaded? i have a pvr 500 card,, it has video0 and video1 and i have a webcam /dev/video2 however.. when i restart my pc my webcam comes on video0 i cant have it there,, how can i tell it to be video2, or tell it to be loaded after the ivtv module ? my webcam uses the spca5xx module
[12:39] <Lechero> now sorry i have never install Oracle :( But Oracle interfaces are java, it may to be similar that in Windows
[12:39] <tmdx120> identify 5percent
[12:39] <zorglu_> tmdx120: time to change your password, btw konversation make it easy to do that autoamtically and avoid this to happen in the future
[12:40] <tmdx120> zorglu_: how do I do that?
[12:40] <zorglu_> tmdx120: i think i alread seen your password on this channel :)
[12:40] <jan_> what is a "debian package "?
[12:40] <tmdx120> zorglu_: I have benn having a heck of a time!  LOL! how do I change it?
[12:40] <jan_> i mean
[12:40] <jan_> how do i install it
[12:41] <zorglu_> tmdx120: setting -> identity -> auto identify
[12:41] <jan_> i just cant figure out this linux-stuff :$
[12:41] <thygrrr> tmdx120, at least it's not 50cent
[12:41] <Lechero> jan_ a debian package is a program in a .deb file, and you can install it with dpkg -i file.deb
[12:41] <tmdx120> thygrrr: ROTFLOL
[12:41] <zorglu_> jan_: it is a package made for the debian distribution. aka not for the kubuntu one
[12:42] <CarD> I would like start install of windows xp on qemu.... What command for this?
[12:42] <zorglu_> !qemu
[12:42] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:42] <CarD> (sorry for my english)
[12:42] <CarD> roh :)
[12:42] <Lechero> CarD: your english is better that my english :)
[12:42] <zorglu_> CarD: i did it without success, fun to look at :)
[12:42] <zorglu_> without= WITH
[12:43] <zorglu_> i keep doing this kind of bad typo :(
[12:43] <CarD> tx :)
[12:44] <Lechero> i think that i may to read more books in english for write correctly here :)
[12:44] <CarD> roh :)
[12:44] <CarD> good boy qemu :)
[12:44] <Lechero> i learned english reading Harry Potter lol lol
[12:45] <tmdx120> zorglu_: Should I take it off autoidentify?
[12:45] <zorglu_> tmdx120: i dont understand what you mean
[12:45] <CarD> hum i would like media:/hda1 for my install... how can choice this partition?
[12:45] <tmdx120> zorglu_: right now it has my nick and password in the auto identify.
[12:46] <zorglu_> you put nickserv in the service and your password <- tmdx120
[12:46] <zorglu_> tmdx120: ah ok, nope the 'service' is nickserv
[12:46] <zorglu_> !identify
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about identify - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <zorglu_> !register
[12:46] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:46] <zorglu_> tmdx120: the above link explains it
[12:46] <hyper> !german
[12:46] <hyper> !de
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about german - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:47] <sorush20> Lechero: no I not spanish..
[12:47] <sorush20> Lechero: why do you ask?
[12:47] <Lechero> sorush20: i thought it because the name of the capture is *pantallazo* and "pantallazo" is spanish :)
[12:48] <Lechero> pantallazo in spanish is screenshot in english
[12:48] <zorglu_> my guess is indian :)
[12:48] <sorush20> Lechero: no I ont
[12:49] <sorush20> zorglu_: close.. iranian.. I just haveing some uranium for tea..
[12:49] <zorglu_> not that close :)
[12:49] <Lechero> i think that usa have more uranium that all the other countrys :)
[12:50] <pexi> someone knows why fglrx not run with kubuntu now??
[12:50] <sorush20> uranium is no less expensive than oil.. http://www.uxc.com/review/uxc_Prices.aspx
[12:51] <pexi> i don't know why but i have to type modprobe fglrx and reboot the X
[12:51] <Lechero> i'll bye uranium for my car this afternoon :)
[12:51] <CarD> aiglx on SIS graphic card...  In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.104-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 5 kB, installed size 60 kB
[12:55] <Lechero> jan_: if you havent it on your souces maybe you could to use www.apt-get.com for search new sources
[12:56] <octan> whrer does the modules get loaded from ? if it aint from /etc/modules  where else??   because it got more modules running than listed in that file
[12:56] <jan_> i have libaio1 and libaio-dec
[12:56] <jan_> dev*
[12:56] <jan_> both install?
[12:56] <zorglu_> jan_: 'sudo apt-get install libaio1'
[12:56] <harmental> hi everybody...is it safe to upgrade to edgy....how do i do it?
[12:57] <octan> dont do it
[12:57] <Lechero> octan: kubunt detect hardware on the init and load the modules that he need automatic
[12:57] <zorglu_> harmental: edgy is a develpement version, do it if you want to help testing it
[12:57] <tmdx120> zorglu_: did it show that time?
[12:57] <zorglu_> tmdx120: nope :)
[12:57] <zorglu_> tmdx120 is an identified user. <- and it worked :)
[12:58] <octan> Lechero oh? so how can i tell which order to load the modules ?
[12:58] <tmdx120> zorglu_: THANKS!!! :)
[12:58] <Lechero> octan: if you want to creat a order you must to add the modules in your orden on /etc/modules
[12:58] <octan> Lechero, like i want ivtv module loaded before spca5xx module
[12:58] <harmental> zorglu_: ok..Thx...
[12:59] <tmdx120> Im having trouble with Kontact, can anyone help?
[12:59] <zorglu_> octan: you may try to play with /etc/modprove.d and /etc/modules
[12:59] <Lechero> octan: add ivtv on the first line of /etc/modules antd spca5xx on the last line
[01:00] <octan> Lechero, i just did that
[01:00] <octan> rebooting to test
[01:01] <Lechero> it is 13:01
[01:01] <Lechero> :)
[01:02] <tmdx120> if I have  a reported bug in a piece of software (Kontact) where do I go?
[01:02] <heinkel_111> you mean if you want to report a bug?
[01:02] <zorglu_> tmdx120: http://launchpad.net/malone
[01:03] <zorglu_> tmdx120: or http://bugs.kde.org it is kde related
[01:04] <heinkel_111> Kontact: i guess is probably KDE related?
[01:04] <zorglu_> yep if the bug is in kontact
[01:04] <heinkel_111> :)
[01:05] <zorglu_> always fun to find the proper place to report :)
[01:05] <Lechero> i always prefer reports bugs in the oficial page of the project
[01:05] <jan_> i'm told to
[01:05] <zorglu_> ok going to work, have fun :)
[01:06] <jan_> ou must run '/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure' as the root user to configure the database.
[01:06] <jan_> how do i do this :s
[01:06] <Lechero> jan_: write /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure in a console :)
[01:07] <Lechero> with sudo of course
[01:07] <octan> Lechero,
[01:07] <octan> that didnt work
[01:08] <Lechero> octan: what message say console to you
[01:09] <octan> Lechero, something is weird
[01:09] <octan> Lechero, i put spca5xx at the bottom
[01:09] <octan> now when i do did cat /etc/modules to check
[01:10] <octan> it isnt there
[01:10] <octan> but
[01:10] <octan> if i open the file with a editor its ther
[01:10] <Lechero> if you check dmesg can you find any error with the load of this module?
[01:11] <octan> i dont have errors
[01:11] <octan> i need to get ivtv to load firsr
[01:11] <octan> not spca5xx
[01:11] <Lechero> is rare
[01:12] <freewill> i can't update/intstall/... pkgs because if i go into adept then it tells me there is something using the db but i can't find out what
[01:12] <oheard> My HDD is going AOT, does anyone know a free alternative to western digitals diagnostic software?
[01:13] <Lechero> another option is add ivtv to /etc/modules and add spca5xx to the blacklist of modprobe and then create a script for load spca5xx on the system init. But this solution is the worse option :)
[01:13] <freewill> nothings runing in a window and if i press ctrl+esc then i don't know what all that stuff is but its not telling me adept is runing there
[01:17] <tk> Hawkwind: you around?
[01:17] <octan> Lechero, :(
[01:18] <freewill> octan: have you thought fo triying maxor's software
[01:18] <octan> ok so i put ivtv before spca5xx in /etc/modules. but still spca5xx loads first
[01:19] <octan> freeflying, whats that?
[01:20] <freewill> octan: when my maxtor 40gb went i could revive it for about 2 weeks and then it went finaly (just enough time to back my stuff up)
[01:20] <freewill> octan: recovering app
[01:21] <Lechero> ?
[01:21] <freewill> octan: i can't remember its name though :p it was a few years back
[01:21] <octan> freeflying, ? what does that have to do with me?
[01:21] <octan> *freewill,
[01:22] <freewill> octan: i thought u want a app to help ur hdd live
[01:22] <octan> lol
[01:22] <octan> no
[01:22] <octan> thats not my case
[01:22] <freewill> octan: do you just want a app that tells u stuff of ur hdd?
[01:23] <octan> freewill, no i want help figuring out why spca5xx module loads before ivtv module
[01:23] <freewill> octan: dangy
[01:23] <Lechero> octan: you must play with the blacklist and with with /etc/modules, i had the same proble with the mouse driver and usbhid and finally i have usbhid on the blacklist of modprobe and the driver mouse on the top of /etc/modules and usbhid on the botton, and i get load the mouse driver before with this
[01:24] <freewill> octan: this looks like gentoo :P
[01:24] <octan> Lechero, ok i'll try add spca5xx to the blacklist
[01:25] <freewill> i can't update/intstall/... pkgs because if i go into adept then it tells me there is something using the db but i can't find out what
[01:25] <Lechero> freewill: reboot
[01:26] <freewill> i have ...
[01:26] <freewill> Lechero: but it still tells me the same thing
[01:26] <freewill> Lechero: nothings runing in a window and if i press ctrl+esc then i don't know what all that stuff is but its not telling me adept is runing there
[01:27] <Lechero> use aptitude in console
[01:27] <freewill> Lechero: k
[01:27] <Lechero> sudo aptitude-update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:27] <freewill> Lechero: lol nice app
[01:29] <Lechero> :)
[01:29] <Werzi2001> hi@ll
[01:29] <Lechero> i have never use adept yet :)
[01:30] <Werzi2001> i am afraid about the security of my kubuntu-system
[01:30] <freewill> Lechero: do you just use aptitude?
[01:30] <oheard> Werzi2001: why?
[01:30] <Lechero> freewill: yes, aptitude and apt
[01:30] <Werzi2001> i have installed pptpconfig (i need it for work)
[01:31] <Werzi2001> and this program starts (sometimes)... but i didnt start it
[01:31] <Werzi2001> in the kde process list it says:
[01:31] <Werzi2001> pptpconfig thomas /usr/lib/php-pcntl/bin/php
[01:31] <Werzi2001> this php-thing makes me afraid
[01:32] <Werzi2001> is it possible that anyone starts this program using a php-hole?
[01:32] <oheard> No idea. :-)
[01:32] <Werzi2001> :/
[01:33] <octan>  Lechero thank you.. putting the module in the blacklist did the trick :D
[01:33] <nuku> Werzi2001: pptpconfig is written in php :p
[01:33] <Lechero> octan: work now ok?
[01:33] <Werzi2001> nuku: ok that makes sense ;)
[01:33] <octan> yea
[01:34] <octan> thanks man
[01:34] <Lechero> np
[01:34] <Werzi2001> thx
[01:34] <nuku> Werzi2001: you may have a look at kvpnc ..
[01:34] <nuku> it can handle most types of vpn connections including pptp
[01:35] <octan> Lechero, i was starting to worrie i had to reconfigure mythtv,. thats alot of work :P
[01:36] <benjamin> Anyone knows how i rename the NFS-icons on the desktop?
[01:36] <Lechero> i dont like mythtv :) it is like windows media center :)
[01:37] <Werzi2001> nuku: thx... i ll have a look at it :)
[01:37] <Bocian> who's from poland? :P
[01:37] <octan> Lechero, mythtv was like 10 years before winblows media center
[01:37] <Lechero> i am from spain :)
[01:38] <Bocian> hello x]
[01:38] <freewill> i am form south AFRICA lol :P
[01:38] <Werzi2001> thx for your help... bye@ll
[01:38] <octan> im from the artic shit hole
[01:38] <octan> <-- norway :P
[01:38] <Lechero> freewill: south africa? you must to be the first in receive the ubuntu cds :)
[01:38] <Bocian> ;]
[01:39] <freewill> octan is it cold there?
[01:39] <freewill> Lechero: yeah ;)
[01:39] <octan> freewill, is that a trick question :P
[01:39] <Lechero> ubuntu are been created in south africa, arent it?
[01:39] <benjamin> Well, here in sweden it it cold today :/
[01:39] <freewill> octan lol
[01:39] <octan> freewill, not so could at the moment.. only -2 deg celcius
[01:39] <Bocian> anyone play in enemy territory? :D i search clan players :)
[01:40] <Lechero> no, i play armageton
[01:40] <flaccid> !backup > flaccid
[01:40] <freewill> Lechero: i am not entirely sure but i think mark suttleworh strated/ are supporting it allot and his form here
[01:40] <Lechero> and FretsOnFire too
[01:40] <Bocian> yeah me to :PPP
[01:41] <Bocian> booring  ;/
[01:41] <freewill> octan: my gfx-card needs a new fan because its so warm here it overheats
[01:41] <ubuntu_> Polska ?
[01:41] <Lechero> freewill: i always read that mark is from south africa, and from the space, but that he live in south africa :)
[01:41] <Bocian> jasne :D
[01:41] <octan> freewill, lol
[01:41] <Bocian> czesciowo :P
[01:42] <ubuntu_> hey
[01:42] <ubuntu_> co to jest? IRC
[01:42] <ubuntu_> ?
[01:42] <Bocian> yes it is :D
[01:42] <Lechero> english please
[01:42] <freewill> Lechero: yeah first south-african if not african in space
[01:42] <Bocian> right ubuntu :D
[01:43] <ubuntu_> odpalilem Ubuntu z plyty i wcisnelem konversation
[01:43] <ubuntu_> czy Ubyntu mozna zainstalowac na HDD ?
[01:43] <Bocian> pisz na priv jak piszesz po polsku :D
[01:43] <ubuntu_> sorry
[01:43] <freewill> its bad i'm getting 67 celius if i play a while
[01:43] <ubuntu_> ok
[01:44] <Lechero> The people say that Johan Esburgo is a european city on Africa
[01:44] <freewill> lol how does that work
[01:44] <Bocian> aah pirv not working before register.. omfg ;/
[01:45] <freewill> i'm just going to get me a zalman cooler my fiend that lives in my streat got the same gfx card as me but his got a zalman cooler and his is avraging @ 44c
[01:45] <freewill> *street
[01:46] <Bocian> what's the polish-kubuntu irc adress?
[01:46] <fdoving> !pl
[01:46] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:46] <Bocian> ahh thx :D
[01:47] <Bocian> i never use irc ;]
[01:47] <freewill> what are u using now??
[01:47] <Snake[Away] > Hey guys, can anyone link me to a good place to start learning how to build and distribute packages?
[01:48] <nuku> Snake[Away] :  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[01:48] <Bocian> now irc, my first time ;/
[01:48] <Snake[Away] > nuku: thanks
[01:48] <freewill> Bocian, what do you normaly use?
[01:49] <Bocian> c'ya all!
[01:49] <Arlington> wich is the best dvd/cd burning software for linux?
[01:49] <Bocian> normaly nothing :D
[01:49] <freewill> Bocian cheers
[01:49] <Bocian> c'ya
[01:49] <Snake[Away] > K3B is good alterato
[01:49] <Snake[Away] > oops
[01:49] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: K3B
[01:49] <Bocian> sorry a dont speak english :D
[01:50] <Arlington> nice. i saw that nero is availible for linux
[01:50] <Snake[Away] > its nothing like nero for windows
[01:50] <Snake[Away] > were rather....neglected
[01:50] <Arlington> ooo too bad... i'll try k3b then.
[01:51] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: !
[01:51] <Snake[Away] > :-D
[01:52] <Arlington> hmm is this  k3b embed in kubuntu or can i launch a window (like nero) i wanna make a bootable copy of a windush xp cd for a friend of mine...
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey Snake[Away] !
[01:52] <Snake[Away] > launch a window Arlington ?
[01:52] <Snake[Away] > Oh
[01:53] <nuku> Arlington: yes it is a "standalone" application if you mean that
[01:53] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: You just go to the start menu and run it, its its own app
[01:53] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: whatcha been up to?
[01:53] <Arlington> yes i meant that but can't find it in my start menu...
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : at work.  and you're clearly not away
[01:53] <Arlington> but adept says i have it installled...
[01:53] <nuku> Arlington: its under multimedia
[01:53] <Arlington> aaah. sorry didn't look hard enough.
[01:53] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: hehe I know, i'm getting ready to leave though, when I get home, im going to start learning how to build debs
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : yay :)  properly?
[01:54] <Snake[Away] > Think I could write down Ubuntu Member on a job application/college resume?
[01:54] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: yea, im trying for membership ;)
[01:54] <flaccid> looks like a lot of my problems may just be my hard  disk failing
[01:54] <Snake[Away] > so I gotta build up something
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : nice.  hehe, i fyou want
[01:54] <flaccid> which is bad, but at least ubuntu is not at fault
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : kubuntu or ubuntu membership?
[01:55] <Arlington> the cd i wan't to duplictae is bootable(windows install cd) how can i make sure the ne cd becomes bootable to?
[01:55] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: theres 2 now???
[01:55] <Snake[Away] > lol
[01:56] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: probly ubuntu, I havn't used KDE for a while thanks to XGL
[01:56] <Arlington> Snake[Away] : the cd i wan't to duplictae is bootable(windows install cd) how can i make sure the ne cd becomes bootable to?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : ahhh..
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : sure.  well, they're the same thing, decided by different people
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : there's also edubuntu membership
[01:58] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: sheesh lol
[01:59] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: I believe when you select the iso, it automatically makes it bootable, just give me a moment to check though
[01:59] <Snake[Away] > !iso
[01:59] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[01:59] <Snake[Away] > GOD DAMN YOU ubotu
[02:00] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto follow that
[02:00] <Snake[Away] > (scroll down to Kubuntu, obviously)
[02:00] <Arlington> thanx. everyone in here are so kind to a linuxneewbie like me :-D thanx kubuntu communitiers!
[02:01] <Snake[Away] > hehe
[02:02] <Arlington> Snake[Away] : at first i was really intimitaded to make the leap of changing to  linux but now (a week into my linux life) i'am just so happy :-)
[02:03] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: I hope it stays that way ;-) (I myself am nearing my one year anniversary of the leap next month)
[02:04] <Arlington> Snake[Away] :  the only thing taht is bad is that the drivers for my printer dosn't work but that is propably because i havn't tried har enough :-D
[02:04] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: ive noticed printers are rather difficult to set up, I didnt want to put up with it so I didnt go near that one
[02:05] <Arlington> a tip is the turboprint driver but it costs 30 $ but works with nearly all printers as well as mine :-D
[02:06] <Snake[Away] > yea thats what I keep hearing, I bet that program makes a killing
[02:06] <tk> dont need to worry about printers until I can get my wifi working under linux :P (not in a huge hurry but it owuld be nice to have wen I fly out Monday)
[02:06] <nuku> turboprint is really good
[02:06] <Arlington> think so. first i installed that then installed canon own driver and now none works so i guess i have to uninstall them in someway wich i havn't learned yet.
[02:07] <nuku> but it would be better if canon and so would just be so kind and release opensource drivers :)
[02:07] <Arlington> tk: what wifi card are you using or what is the problem. my wifi works perfect.
[02:07] <tk> Arlington: its a broadcomm internal, let me get the exact
[02:08] <tk> Arlington: eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"bungalo"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"
[02:08] <Arlington> because my usb stick is working perfectly
[02:09] <narasim_7> hi all
[02:09] <tk> Arlington: I havent really tried very hard to get it working... probably something stupidly simple, my stuff I needed for working from home kinda took precedence (I currently sit 1 ft away from my wifi router so... a cable sufficed :P)
[02:09] <Arlington> tk:  i expect that u have gone through the ubuntu wiki wifi
[02:09] <narasim_7> adept lacks some features of synaptic..
[02:10] <narasim_7> is there an equivalent program for kubuntu?
[02:10] <Arlington> hehe. have you checked the nertwork setting in the system menu?
[02:10] <Arlington> narasim_7:  synaptic is availible :-)
[02:10] <Arlington> tk:  i mean did kubuntu recognise your wifi card?
[02:11] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: broadcom chipsets cant work out of the box
[02:11] <Snake[Away] > unfortantly
[02:11] <narasim_7> Arlington: yes :D .... anyway thanks
[02:11] <tk> Arlington: I'm actually in the K'less version right now... but it sees my card
[02:12] <tk> just dont work :P
[02:12] <Arlington> and you have activated it?
[02:12] <tk> looking for hte wifi wiki now
[02:12] <Snake[Away] > alright im out
[02:12] <Snake[Away] > cya
[02:13] <Arlington> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
[02:13] <Arlington> there are more if you go here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryDocumentation
[02:14] <Arlington> the whole wiki list. oftenly you can get very good help by searching the forums.
[02:16] <tk> wow, someone should fix this...
[02:16] <tk> Where FEFEFEFEFE is the WEP key in hexadecimal. Hexadecimel uses 0-F rather than 0-9 (This is base 16 with A representing 10 all the way up to F = 15 and then 10 representing 16.). This is the way all keys are specified. You should then be able to browse the web/ping. Not entirely sure but it seems sometimes you have to wait a minute or so for it to start working.
[02:16] <tk> 10 represents 16 in hex? there is no 16 in hex....
[02:17] <Arlington> u can change it :-)
[02:17] <Lechero> yes there are 16 in hex but 16 in hex is 22 in dec :)
[02:19] <Arlington> tk:  any success?
[02:19] <tk> there are 16, but "16" is not "10"  there is no "16" in hex 0-15 =your 16 choices.... 10-15 being A-F....
[02:19] <Arlington> sucess?
[02:19] <tk> Arlington: havent gotten that far yet :P lookin at 2 pages, the first not so helpful
[02:19] <Kimisch> good luck! :)
[02:20] <Arlington> tk: really hope that it helps :-) too bad if a wifi  problem should halt your linux life ;-)
[02:21] <Lechero> 16d = 0x10 = 10000b = 0x2o
[02:21] <flaccid> its a bad analogy of the base16 number system
[02:22] <Arlington> this hex talk is way above a simple law student like me :-D
[02:22] <flaccid> easiest way is base2 (decimal) goes to 10
[02:22] <flaccid> base16 goes to 0-9,a-f
[02:22] <flaccid> binary is base2
[02:22] <flaccid> 0-1
[02:23] <kraut> moin
[02:23] <flaccid> heh why am i thinking aloud
[02:23] <tk> Arlington: doesnt stop it, just makes me use windows when needing inet (or using a jack) while travelling
[02:23] <flaccid> err decimal is base10
[02:23] <tk> flaccid: congrats :P
[02:23] <Arlington> tk: the goal must be to make the total transition :-D
[02:24] <tk> Arlington: slowly getting there :P atleast now I have my windows web dev and my linux web dev all using the same paths now so my work is seamless between the two :P
[02:24] <boguh> which window decoration does kunbuntu use by default?
[02:25] <Arlington> tk: nice easier for me because my comp. usage only reach as far as internet and office use.
[02:25] <tk> havent found a good programming environment in linux yet though... nothing as simple as notepad++ (which I guess I chould keep using it in linux.... )
[02:25] <Lechero> 0xA  10d = 10010110b :)
[02:25] <tk> Arlington: heh, if I setup VMware... I could probably ditch it... but, VMware can be troublesme at times
[02:26] <Arlington> tk: there must be good software for programming?! i mean linux eing opensource and all ?
[02:26] <Arlington> *being
[02:26] <tk> Lechero:  are you doing hexidecimal multiplications? :P
[02:26] <Lechero> tk: is a multiplication of a hexidecimal and a decimal, and the result in binary :)
[02:27] <tk> Lechero: ahhh, I just assumed the A d b were Hex chars :P
[02:27] <Arlington> tk: Lechero: stop this hexadecimal things or i start dropping the EU commitment law's in here :-D
[02:28] <Lechero> no no, the d and b caracter at the end of a numbers show the base, and 0x is used for say that the number is hex
[02:28] <tk> Arlington: just a matter of finding something Im comfortable with (until recently i used notepad and wordpad and vi :P) so... slowly advancing up to modern tools :P I even installed Firebug for Firefox *huge step* :P
[02:28] <Arlington> what is firebug?
[02:28] <tk> Lechero: yah I knew the 0x is hex... but d and b are also hex chars so it was just a bad assumption :P
[02:29] <tk> Arlington: a nice web dev tool, lets you view the dom, hilight dom nodes, modify the pages dom elements, see javascript errors.... it makes debugging javascript and CSS stuff fairly easy :)
[02:29] <Lechero> no, B is a hex number but b isn't it, b is used for indicate that the digit is binary
[02:30] <Arlington> tk: aaah okay nice!
[02:30] <Lechero> at least in my university the profesor use this system
[02:30] <Arlington> can someone tip me about good direct connect software for linux?
[02:32] <tk> Lechero: your math looks wrong though... shouldnt it be 1100100b?
[02:33] <Lechero> tk yes, is wrong :) sorry lol
[02:33] <tk> I started writing it down cause i thought I did it wrong in my head
[02:34] <Lechero> i did the menthal operacion asuming A like F :) my brain is ofusqued
[02:35] <tk> sadly, I used to be able to do binary math in my head, but that was damn near.... 10 years ago
[02:35] <tk> aint used it since then :(
[02:36] <Arlington> hex math guys: does anybody of you have the possibility to tip mea bout a direct connect client?
[02:37] <Lechero> what do you mean with direct connection?
[02:37] <tk> there is... a DC++ for linux... (direct connect++)
[02:38] <tk> automatix has an install option for it I believe
[02:38] <Arlington> tk:  thanks
[02:39] <tk> np, aint used DC++ in yers... it sucked back then
[02:39] <Lechero> i was thinking in direct lynk connection using the pararell port :)
[02:39] <Arlington> haha
[02:39] <tk> Lechero: hehe, at first I thought directWay type stuff (dish internet :P)
[02:39] <Arlington> tk:  really depends on hub. i know nice ones.
[02:39] <Lechero> lol
[02:40] <Arlington> have to restart x. brb
[02:40] <Lechero> see you i go to eat, it is 14:40 here :)
[02:40] <tk> cya
[02:41] <tk> ugh, wput is slow as ....
[02:41] <tk> maybe I should have installed an ftp client
[02:42] <tk> Arlington: hubs didnt matter, it was the fact that back then you couldnt resume off another person who had the same file... had to start/finish with same person
[02:43] <tk> and you couldnt download parts from multiple people ala, limewire/kazaa/etc
[02:43] <Arlington> tk:  i remember :-D
[02:44] <Arlington> is it possible to create some sort of shortcut to media drives because i can't share my media library.
[02:44] <tk> and I didnt like that to get to a decent server you had to have bookoo's of files to share....
[02:44] <tk> shortcut, ln -s /path/to/file/or/folder /path/to/shortcut/file/or/folder
[02:45] <tk> back then I had like a 3.2gig HD :P so... I was limited in where I could go just by that fact
[02:47] <Arlington> tk explain much more specifik (linux user for one week ) :-)
[02:47] <Arlington> that sentence was to include a please :-)
[02:49] <tk> to create a shortcut use "ln" like so "ln -s ~/IwantAshortCutToThisFile /and/this/is/where/IwantIt
[02:49] <tk> morning soulrider
[02:50] <Arlington> tk. :-S
[02:50] <tk> that help Arlington?
[02:51] <soulrider> hey there
[02:51] <tk> in the process of setting up Gallery2 :)
[02:51] <soulrider> sweet! ;)
[02:52] <Arlington> the thing is it's notpossible in valknut(the dc software) to share other than the etc3 discs. and i have all my medifiles on a fat32 partition.
[02:52] <Arlington> therefor i wondered if it was possible to link to the fat32 partitionin some way.
[02:52] <tk> Arlington: why not? should be able to read from your disks i they are mounted and readable...
[02:53] <Arlington> yes i play from them but there is now ay to navigate further back then ... /
[02:53] <soulrider> is there any place where we can request features for edgy ?
[02:54] <Arlington> it was nothing i'am not used to mounted drives being folders under .../ i'am still partly stuck in windows regarding filesystmes.
[02:54] <tk> Arlington: how do you mean under ../?
[02:54] <Arlington> i just remembered that all things are files i linux world:-D
[02:55] <tk> Arlington: your Fat drives should be under /media/something right?
[02:55] <Arlington> with / i mean root folder.
[02:55] <Arlington> tk: i found them there... i thought i would find them like i do in windows like drives if you understand what i mean :-) not like folders.
[02:55] <tk> ohh
[02:56] <tk> yah, no C drive and D drive in linux :P
[02:56] <tk> ok screw gallery2 for now, I'll upload it with GFTP after rtebooting
[02:59] <mikal_> i want to install the nvidia legacy drivers (geforce ti 200). but yesterday i got only a black window and had to restart my computer. how can i switch at boot time to a login prompt?
[02:59] <|mikael|> to prevent a new install :)
[03:02] <|mikael|> no one there?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> !info ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts edgy
[03:02] <ubotu> ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts: BPG Georgian fonts. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2 (edgy), package size 295 kB, installed size 652 kB
[03:04] <GnarusLeo> using open-ssh server ... how you do a "sudo" if i remote ssh from another machine .. it wont take my password
[03:04] <GnarusLeo> do I need to set some privelegies?
[03:05] <tk> just got Beryl working :)
[03:05] <llevaneus> anybody know about Jmeter?
[03:06] <octan> GnarusLeo, ssh $(user-on-sshd-pc)@IP then just sudo.
[03:06] <llevaneus> hi, can you hel me?
[03:06] <llevaneus> help
[03:07] <octan> also check if ther is a sudousers in /etc /on the host pc
[03:07] <GnarusLeo> ah! the user I am remoting with is not a super user
[03:08] <Arlington> tk: wifi working
[03:08] <Arlington> ?
[03:08] <tk> Arlington: nah, got sidetracked with GLX stuff :)
[03:09] <Arlington> :-)
[03:09] <octan> GnarusLeo, you should disallow root login with ssh
[03:09] <octan> its not a good idea
[03:09] <tk> the effects of BEryl are pretty damn awesome :)
[03:09] <octan> just log in as a user , then su root
[03:09] <Arlington> glx for what driver?
[03:09] <tk> Arlington: nvidia
[03:10] <tk> octan: I dont think you can su root either, I believe you have to sudo -s dont you?
[03:10] <llevaneus> hi, anybody can help me?
[03:10] <octan> tk, you can su root
[03:10] <llevaneus> i need information about jmeter
[03:10] <octan> if ther is a root account
[03:10] <octan> with password
[03:10] <GnarusLeo> ok
[03:10] <octan> tk, i do it all the time
[03:11] <GnarusLeo> over to something else :) How do I know wich wireless adapter I have?
[03:11] <octan> look at it
[03:11] <kutan> I wish flashplayer didn't suck so much on linux.
[03:11] <octan> GnarusLeo, it most likely says what bran it is
[03:12] <fly> Hi, I've set up my xorg conf on "Clone" with 2 screens : LCD and TV
[03:13] <fly> everything works except my tv frequence doesn't seems to work :/
[03:13] <tk> octan: ahh for some reason I remember that not working before...
[03:13] <fly> any ideas what frenquences I should you use for my tv ?
[03:14] <octan> fly, E1 or E2 or E3
[03:14] <fly> what is E1, E2 , E3 ?
[03:14] <octan> channels
[03:15] <fly> I have no idea
[03:15] <octan> sure... the scart plug
[03:15] <fly> 	Option          "TVOutFormat" "COMPOSITE"
[03:15] <fly> 	Option		"TVStandard" "PAL-N"
[03:15] <tk> ack, that was weiird
[03:15] <fly> that's not what you asked ?
[03:15] <octan> it uses E1 or E2 or E3
[03:16] <octan> on your tv
[03:16] <octan> S video
[03:16] <octan> input
[03:16] <fly> E1
[03:16] <octan> fly, thouse are predifined channels
[03:16] <octan> erm.. frequnses
[03:16] <fly> I only have to channels
[03:16] <fly> I have the image
[03:17] <fly> it' sin color
[03:17] <fly> hold on, i'll get my dictionnary and find the exact word -_- (need translating)
[03:18] <fly> twinkling ?
[03:18] <octan> cant you just scan all the frequenses?
[03:18] <fly> I don't think you understood my problem
[03:19] <fly> my computer on Kubuntu has 2 screens (clone) , one is my LCD screen and the other is my tv
[03:19] <fly> everything works except there'a twinkling on my tv screen
[03:20] <octan> try to finetune the freq
[03:21] <fly> so I just put random freq until it works ?
[03:22] <GnarusLeo> root@kimmern-laptop:/home/kimmern# ifconfig eth1 up
[03:22] <GnarusLeo> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Timer expired
[03:22] <GnarusLeo> anyone seen this before?
[03:23] <Arlington> !cedega
[03:23] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on wine, aimed at running windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[03:23] <octan> fdly is it a old tv ?
[03:23] <octan> *fly
[03:23] <|mikael|> how can i switch to a prompt at boot up? if i upate my nvdia drivers i get only a black screen
[03:24] <|mikael|> is there any key-combination?
[03:24] <octan> alt F1
[03:24] <fly> aound 5/6 years old
[03:24] <|mikael|> octan: at boot ?
[03:24] <|mikael|> because i get only a black screen
[03:24] <ken> anybody? im having a problem with my ekiga. i try to call the 300 and 500 echo accounts but it just hangs up after a few rings. is it a problem on my part or are these accounts offline?
[03:24] <|mikael|> i see kubuntu booting up but it doesn't switch over to kde
[03:25] <octan> fly, you should have a tuning function in your tv,, somewher in the manus
[03:25] <fly> I don't , already check that
[03:25] <ken> anyone with an ekiga account i can have a test call with? thanks.
[03:25] <fly> or at least couldn't find it
[03:25] <octan> [wait a while.. then press Alt F1
[03:25] <fly> bbs (testing my new xorg.conf
[03:25] <fly> )
[03:25] <fly> thx octan
[03:26] <|mikael|> thx octan
[03:26] <octan> hmm.. did it work ?
[03:26] <KRaevel> is it possible to write to NTFS disks?
[03:26] <octan> no
[03:26] <octan> yes
[03:26] <octan> in windows
[03:26] <octan> :p
[03:27] <KRaevel> :-(
[03:27] <KRaevel> can i convert to another fs without losing the data?
[03:27] <octan> yes
[03:27] <KRaevel> yay
[03:27] <octan> thes a basick rule for that..
[03:27] <octan> backup you data to a cd|dvd or another partiton. the format :P
[03:28] <bubu1uk> octan: like ur sense of humour
[03:28] <KRaevel> right, unfortunately it's 200GB
[03:28] <hsihh> hello
[03:28] <bubu1uk> :p
[03:28] <octan> :)
[03:28] <bubu1uk> KRaevel: backup on external hdd. :p
[03:29] <hsihh> i run kubuntu on vmware player. after the next virtual-install there is no sound in kubuntu (on normal livecd mode there is sound). i made the exactly the same file (www.easyvmx.com). what`s wrong?
[03:29] <GnarusLeo> Is there a command for checking wich wireless adapter I have?
[03:30] <tk> GnarusLeo: yah one sec
[03:31] <KRaevel> bubu1uk: yeah i might just do that
[03:31] <GnarusLeo> ok, thanks tk
[03:32] <tk> GnarusLeo: "iwconfig |grep name"
[03:32] <tk> that will filter out the adapters "Nickname"
[03:32] <GnarusLeo> thanks
[03:35] <hsihh> one question: why do you use kubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[03:35] <octan> because we like KD
[03:35] <octan> E
[03:35] <GnarusLeo> root@kimmern-laptop:/home/kimmern# ifconfig eth1 up
[03:35] <GnarusLeo> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Timer expired
[03:35] <GnarusLeo> hm, tk, what do you make of this?
[03:37] <tk> I have no idea, I dont have my wifi working :P
[03:41] <kumsy> gnomefreak: need help in changing the display resolution in kubuntu
[03:42] <octan> GnarusLeo, pherphaps kwifimanager can help you
[03:42] <kumsy> octan: need help in changing the display resolution in kubuntu
[03:42] <bubu1uk> kumsy: control panel >> display
[03:42] <GnarusLeo> octan, nah .. Im using shell (kwifimanager just uses the commands I use anyways)
[03:42] <octan> alright
[03:43] <octan> ndiswarpper ?
[03:43] <GnarusLeo> maybe
[03:43] <GnarusLeo> ill try
[03:46] <kumsy> bubu1k: thank u
[03:47] <bubu1uk> kumsy: np
[03:48] <kumsy> bubu1k: but i wanna reduce the refresh rate for my monitor. but theres only one refresh rate for it specified(85 hz)
[03:48] <bubu1uk> kumsy: it might not support it then
[03:48] <bubu1uk> kumsy: not sure
[03:49] <who_knows_who_i_> hi, which package has a version of qmake that's 4.x.x? i installed the qt4 dev packages but my qmake is staill at a version 3.3.4
[03:50] <kumsy> anyone: i wanna reduce the refresh rate for my monitor. is there any way?
[03:50] <bubu1uk> kumsy: does ur monitor support it?
[03:50] <Arlington> anyone cunning in cedega?!
[03:50] <bubu1uk> cuz i have those options there, so i can do it. but dont have for example 85
[03:50] <bubu1uk> have less
[03:51] <kumsy> bubu1K: yes my monitor and chipset models are correctly specified in the control panel
[03:51] <bubu1uk> kumsy: ur monitor probably doesnt support it then.
[03:51] <bubu1uk> it even dependes on screen resolution i think.
[03:52] <bubu1uk> try lower, might be able to change it
[03:56] <M4X1MUM> how do i change the owner of a harddisk?
[03:57] <nomadsoul> hi i need to install openvpn but if i do apt-cache search openvpn i get no results
[03:57] <nomadsoul> can someone help me?
[03:58] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: did u try to search thru adept?
[03:58] <nomadsoul> mmm
[03:58] <nomadsoul> nope
[03:58] <nomadsoul> i'm working on ubuntu-server :P
[03:58] <M4X1MUM> how do i change the owner of a harddisk? anyone?
[03:58] <bubu1uk> just command line? or gnome??
[03:58] <nomadsoul> i was wondering if someone has a repository that contains openvpn :P
[03:59] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: command line, of course :P
[03:59] <bubu1uk> M4X1MUM: chown command
[03:59] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: sec
[04:00] <M4X1MUM> ok thanks
[04:00] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: sec?
[04:01] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: did u try just to install it?
[04:01] <bubu1uk> package is called openvpn
[04:01] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: mmm i was looking for some repository
[04:01] <nomadsoul> i don't think i have it in mine
[04:01] <bubu1uk> try universe repos then
[04:02] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: how can i enable it?
[04:02] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: what repos u have allowed?
[04:02] <Arlington> how do i use a .deb file? i know it's some kind of package but how do i unpack and install?
[04:02] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: wait i'll paste them
[04:02] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: dpkg -i file.deb
[04:03] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: i think i've found universe :P
[04:03] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: you need sudo in front of it
[04:03] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: just uncomment those u want in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:04] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: yes, i've just seen that the source.list is well commented :P
[04:05] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: well, as default there are only main repos allowed i think
[04:05] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: now, by using command line, if i want the openvpn service started at boottime, what i have to look for?
[04:05] <M4X1MUM> !automatix
[04:05] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[04:06] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: ehm, not sure in ubuntu/kubuntu
[04:07] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: try documentation
[04:07] <LecheroAway> hahahaha i recomend "it crowd" for all the people here, hahahaha
[04:11] <root> how can i prevent kubuntu from booting in kde (automatically)?
[04:11] <root> i want to stop it because kde doesn't work (the screen keeps black)
[04:12] <root> so if i press alt-f1 i can see what it is doing at boot up
[04:12] <root> but it doesn't help me - i need a prompt
[04:12] <conhe> TibiaPlayerLinux: X Server has no OpenGL extensions
[04:12] <conhe> =\
[04:12] <Arlington> is it possible to create virtualdrives in kubuntu?
[04:12] <Arlington> how do i do it?
[04:12] <root> no one who can answer me
[04:13] <conhe> !kernel
[04:13] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:13] <octan> Arlington, yes its posseble
[04:13] <octan> Arlington, look up man dd and make a iso file with it then mount it :)
[04:14] <conhe> TibiaPlayerLinux: X Server has no OpenGL extensions
[04:14] <Arlington> what did u mean?
[04:14] <octan> Arlington, example... dd if=/dev/zero of=/your.iso bs=256 count=4 will make a iso file on 1 MB
[04:15] <octan> then you mount that file like.. mount -o loop  your.iso /path
[04:15] <octan> mkfs.ext3 /path/your.iso
[04:16] <Arlington> is there any software like deamontools for windows to mount .isos
[04:17] <octan> mount -o loop
[04:17] <octan> for godsake. this aint windows.. if you need a gui tool.. make it yourself :P or stick to command line
[04:18] <magical_trevsky> hi, I have an "Mobile AMD Athlon XP 2000+" processor, and am using the 386 kernel at the moment.. would i notice any reasonable advantages (or disadvantages) in switching to the k7 kernel?
[04:18] <M4X1MUM> hmm yeah how to mound cd/dvd image in linux?
[04:18] <GnarusLeo> Makefile.inc:113: *** KERNELPATH: /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/build does not exist.  Stop.
[04:18] <octan> i have said it like 3 times now
[04:19] <GnarusLeo> hm ... from where do I get the build
[04:19] <octan> mount -o loop  your.iso /path
[04:19] <octan> mount -o loop  your.iso /path
[04:19] <octan> mount -o loop  your.iso /path
[04:19] <M4X1MUM> thats it? no need special software or anything like that?
[04:19] <octan>  thats it
[04:19] <M4X1MUM> wow
[04:20] <M4X1MUM> im starting to like linux
[04:21] <M4X1MUM> but what about the cd protection stuff?
[04:22] <gyhu> hi. what ubuntu distro is better supported?
[04:22] <marcus> hi anybody happen to know the shell command for myphpadmin off hand?
[04:23] <conhe> X Server has no OpenGL extensions what it?
[04:24] <octan> gyhu, dapper
[04:25] <M4X1MUM> how do can i share with windows network?
[04:25] <Lechero> M4X1MUM: use samba
[04:26] <M4X1MUM> ok
[04:28] <casper_> Anyone having problems getting ATI (9600) drivers to work on the latest Edgy/ kernel?
[04:29] <octan>  pls go to #ubuntu+1 for edgy
[04:29] <casper_> join #kubuntu+1
[04:29] <timinphx1> quit
[04:31] <Arlington> how do i mount a .bin file?
[04:31] <octan> convert it to iso
[04:31] <octan> !mount iso
[04:31] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 149 kB, installed size 336 kB
[04:31] <octan> !iso
[04:31] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[04:31] <domibel> you can use bchunk
[04:32] <M4X1MUM> !cue
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <Lechero> that bot has a really big db
[04:32] <M4X1MUM> so you can't mount a bin/cue image?
[04:32] <conhe> !nvidia
[04:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <domibel> bchunk - Converts BIN/CUE images to ISO 9660 tracks
[04:33] <Lechero> there are a application for convert .cue into .iso but i dont remember the name
[04:33] <Lechero> domibel: you win :)
[04:33] <simp> hello i have a problem with wifi if i try to connect it hangs up at 28% and after a while tells me that knetworkmanager has been dissconnected... my wifi network is secured with wpa1 tkip
[04:33] <M4X1MUM> .iso do not store the protection files, different from bin/cue
[04:34] <Lechero> simp: for conect to a wifi network you must to have at leas 60% for to have a normal session without cuts
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Im not even sure that bin/cue stores much.. isent that why  the Achol120% guys came out with MDF files.
[04:35] <simp> Lechero: i can see the wifi connection here as 80% but while connecting it hangs up at 28%
[04:35] <M4X1MUM> downloading samba!! lets hope it works
[04:36] <Lechero> simp: i had problems with knetworkmanager too, try with wifi-radar
[04:36] <simp> Lechero: thanks i'l try that
[04:36] <kg21> hi folx
[04:36] <nuku> which linux software has got cds with copy-protection anyway?! :)
[04:36] <kg21> i got a question
[04:36] <kg21> where can i download wordweb for kubuntu?
[04:37] <Dr_willis> nuku,  none that i have seen.. then again.. with the  programs out now for windows.. cd copy protection seems to work for about a week.. then someone crakcs it
[04:37] <Dr_willis> !wordweb
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wordweb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <Dr_willis> kg21,  never heard of it.. wht is it.
[04:37] <simp> Dr_willis: it is usually less then a week but the harder ones take a week ;)
[04:38] <kg21> it's a english-english dictionary
[04:38] <Lechero> only 3 weeks for edgy... i feel really impacient
[04:38] <Hawkwind> tk: I am now, what's up ?
[04:39] <nuku> Dr_willis: sure copy protection is just to annoy honest customers anyway :)
[04:39] <Dr_willis> simp,  ive see the anti-copy protection hacks out befor the game is even released
[04:39] <Dr_willis> nuku,  i agree there - i basicially have given up on PC games
[04:39] <simp> thats true as well :)
[04:39] <Dr_willis> that and the prices are gone through the roof.. and otehr silly gimmics.
[04:39] <tk> Hawkwind: ahh nothing was setting up G2 :P but it dint go so well (slow uplink)
[04:39] <simp> Dr_willis: whats the point of buying them so :)
[04:40] <linuxbomb> is there a problem with kubuntu and blender? or is it python ? or is it that i'm a dumbass because when i run blender and use it there is some wierd behaviour going on
[04:40] <M4X1MUM> ooh yeah i forgot about that hahaha im only using linux for 3 days now
[04:40] <nuku> well the future lies in online games anyway.. so there is no need for low-level copy protection anymore :)
[04:40] <Dr_willis> nuku,  i saw yesterday if you Preordered the NeverWintersNight2 - you characters got a bonus weapon.. AND a discount at the Ingame merchants... But - thats.. basicially cheating. :)
[04:40] <simp> :D
[04:40] <Dr_willis> nuku,  too bad the MMORPGS online are so sad.
[04:41] <Lechero> you can play neverwinter on kubuntu?
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Second Life is Enteraining... and free... but then you realize the whole world is XXX/Porn/Stores Selling Ingame garbage.
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Lechero,  NWN has a Linux port - yes
[04:41] <tk> Hawkwind: and then my wife called, so I cant upload.... now just waiting on my phone to free up so I can upload with resume on to speed it along :)
[04:42] <Lechero> Dr_willis: but must to be original? or its possibly to play to the cracked version?
[04:42] <nuku> Dr_willis: true.. when its about money its about pr0n :/
[04:42] <Manyfold> i enable the nvidia module but glx is still slow with glxgears with framerates < 300
[04:43] <Manyfold> what cani do
[04:43] <Manyfold> ?
[04:43] <simp> Lechero: what is the wpa driver thingy what should i put there?
[04:43] <Lechero> i dont understand that
[04:44] <M4X1MUM> ok ive installed samba, now what?
[04:44] <M4X1MUM> how do i share and access windows network?
[04:44] <Lechero> M4X1MUM: now you must read a samba manual
[04:44] <linuxbomb> Lechero: good help
[04:45] <simp> Lechero: sorry i might be bad at explaining: if i go and edit/add a network... then there is this WPA tag... there is this place that says driver what should i put in there?
[04:45] <M4X1MUM> oooh wow it work, now i just need to find out how to share my directory....gaaaah my directory is ext3!!! not NTFS
[04:46] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,   you want to access shares on a windows machine? or have windows access your linux home shares?
[04:46] <Dr_willis> The filesystem of a share does NOT matter
[04:46] <Lechero> simp i am sorry but i dont use wpa :(
[04:46] <Dr_willis> You may want to read the "Using Samba Book" thats online  to get a handle on the fundamentals.
[04:46] <simp> ok then thanks anyway :)
[04:46] <M4X1MUM> windows access shared directory
[04:47] <Dr_willis> to get windows to access your home shares.. you need tomake a samba password for your linux user.
[04:48] <Dr_willis> sudo  smbpasswd -a USERNAMEHERE
[04:48] <ranio> test
[04:48] <M4X1MUM> my account username?
[04:48] <Dr_willis> You also may want to edit the  /etc/samba/smb.conf   to set the home shares to be writeable
[04:49] <M4X1MUM> oooh no i just want the shared folder to be read-only
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Your linux username/login/   that you wish to have home shared.
[04:49] <ranio> somebody help~ how can I run .wmv file?
[04:49] <Dr_willis> KDE has a samba confguration front end as well.. but i rarely use it
[04:49] <M4X1MUM> you can't set which directory you want to set?
[04:50] <M4X1MUM> want to share* i meant
[04:50] <Dr_willis> ranio,  install the w32codecs package, and be lucky,. try vlc/xine/mplayer
[04:50] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  this is linux.. of COURSE you can.
[04:50] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  but by default the users Homes are set up to be shared.
[04:50] <ranio> thanks, I wil try it
[04:50] <M4X1MUM> wooow thats bad
[04:50] <Dr_willis> control center -> internet -> samba
[04:50] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  no its not..
[04:50] <RawSewage> where is the php.ini I change
[04:51] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  they are not shared untill you just installed samba, and set up that password.
[04:51] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  and even then.. they re default read only
[04:51] <M4X1MUM> ooh
[04:51] <Dr_willis> and theres that KDE bugglet again in the samba control  center applet.
[04:51] <Dr_willis> resize the window to see all the buttons. :)
[04:52] <RawSewage> anyone know where I can find php.ini  .  I found 2, but those dont seem to be the rigth ones
[04:52] <RawSewage> I need to increase php memory from 8mb to 48mb
[04:52] <M4X1MUM> errr, control center is the same as system settings?
[04:52] <M4X1MUM> i dont see any samba there
[04:53] <Dr_willis> I may ofinstalled it.. i got one right there
[04:53] <Dr_willis> actually i use the quick icon in the taskbar called 'settings' :)
[04:53] <faz> u guys know how can i install my ATI graphic card drivers installed on Kubuntu?
[04:54] <Dr_willis> and the gui i am accessing is called 'control center' in the titlebar
[04:54] <Dr_willis> the other settings gui - may be a little diffeently laidout/tweaked
[04:54] <M4X1MUM> oooh man so different
[04:54] <M4X1MUM> im using kubuntu
[04:54] <Dr_willis> Right click panel -> add applet --> settings
[04:55] <Dr_willis> SO am i M4X1MUM
[04:55] <Dr_willis> theres just different ways to get to the different tools
[04:55] <Dr_willis> I perfer the Settings Applet on the taskbar
[04:55] <M4X1MUM> aaah i see samba in the setting icon
[04:56] <Dr_willis> 'system settings' is sort of a dumbed down interface compared to 'control center'
[04:56] <M4X1MUM> oooh
[04:56] <M4X1MUM> i always thought they are the same thing
[04:57] <Dr_willis> run ----->  kcontrol            then run  'system settings' icon
[04:57] <Dr_willis> and compare the 2
[04:57] <Dr_willis> they access the same tools.. but the layout is different
[04:57] <M4X1MUM> ok i've open the samba window and maximize it, shouldn't the window have a scroll bar if content is outside the viewport?
[04:57] <Dr_willis> kcontrol is the old way i think.. and system settings is a smarter way
[04:58] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  theres some buglets
[04:58] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  ya see a administrator mode button at the bottom?
[04:58] <M4X1MUM> yes
[04:58] <Dr_willis> then you are lucky :)
[04:58] <Dr_willis> depends on the screen res. the window gets resized where thats not seen on some machines
[04:59] <simp> hello i have a problem with wifi if i try to connect it hangs up at 28% and after a while tells me that knetworkmanager has been dissconnected... my wifi network is secured with wpa1 tkip
[04:59] <Dr_willis> the fix is to alt-click drat the window UP some.. then grab the bottom frame and expand the window down..
[04:59] <frankkm> Admiral_Chicago: I have installed ffmpeg, and I followed the link you send me, but when I did it, it told me that I missed a codec
[04:59] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: does that mean the devs installs a standard KDE system, then tinker with the menus?
[04:59] <M4X1MUM> well i only see the button partially though
[04:59] <Dr_willis> THEN it seems to figure out the res and does it right from then on
[05:00] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  allteh disrtos ive seen with KDE - tweak the kde stuff. BUT also the actual kde devs  are constantly twiddling with things.
[05:00] <Dr_willis> GENTOO i think is the only disrto ive seen that uses a Vanilla KDE layout
[05:00] <Dr_willis> but i could be wrong in some of this information
[05:00] <Dr_willis> I do belive the "trashcan on the panel" is a Kubuntu 'idea' which i much perfer.
[05:02] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: I have been trying to find out how you install a clutter-free KDE system on other distros, but no one seems to know, however one person did suggest everything was there, but that the menus had been suitable modified
[05:02] <M4X1MUM> alright in samba window, the security level is changed to shared, and windows still need to login to read the files?
[05:02] <M4X1MUM> windows user*
[05:02] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  as far as i know Gentoo uses the KDE default.. now wether that is Clutter-free is the next question. ;P
[05:02] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  yes.. that makes sence..
[05:03] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  also you may need to restart the samba services for the changes to take effect
[05:03] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: hmmm I got kororaa installed, let me see...
[05:03] <M4X1MUM> is it possible to allow the windows user to read the files without login?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  i looked at that once. :)
[05:04] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  you can make a public share.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  samba has so many features it would make your head explode
[05:05] <M4X1MUM> yeah its scary just looking at this samba setting screen so many stuff
[05:05] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: I trashed my gentoo system accidently & could not face going through all that stuff again, so I installed kororaa as a short cut :-)
[05:05] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  thats why a read of that Using Samba BOok is nice . to get you up to speed on what all is going on.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  ahh.. I rember kororaa now.. tried it.. lasted a day.. :P went back to Kubuntu
[05:06] <M4X1MUM> how do i set the file view to details instead of icons all the time?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> save it as the default profile.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Seen that asked befor. :)
[05:08] <Dr_willis> settings -> save view profile
[05:08] <Dr_willis> make up several if ya like. :)
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: actually it's not bad, not too far away from kubuntu, got the trash can in the taskbar, but slower to load than, goodness knows what arch are doing, but it's fast!!
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> slower than arch*
[05:09] <Dr_willis> i read up on arch.. and some of the things they are doing... just scare me away
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> like?
[05:10] <M4X1MUM> i still feels a bit weird, not used to the way files is stored in linux :(
[05:10] <Dr_willis> well ive only messed with the live cd of it.. but some of the rants i hear are... screwy init system. removal of docs to save space...
[05:10] <Dr_willis> and other tweaks because 'they wanted to'
[05:10] <Dr_willis> but ya would have read up on arch and get through all the 'we are cool' posts/docs they like to brag about. :)
[05:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:11] <Dr_willis> http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/gnu/gnuzilla/
[05:12] <MistaED> Dr_willis: how does packman compare with apt/deb?
[05:12] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: hmmm I just installed it to see what it was like, I like what I see apart from not being able to install KDE the way I want it :-(
[05:12] <Dr_willis> MistaED,  only used the live cd . so cant really tellya
[05:12] <MistaED> fair enough
[05:12] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  vmware to the rescue :)
[05:12] <Dr_willis> vmare lets me test out other disrtos now - safely :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> downloading some PCLinuxOS-gamers cd right now.
[05:13] <proog> Admiral_Chicago: My friend frankkm installed ffmpeg and we tryed to convert the flv file, but its said that there was a missing codec
[05:13] <Dr_willis> PCLinuxOS  - seems odd in some ways as well.
[05:14] <M4X1MUM> aaah the save view profile doesn't really work
[05:14] <tmdx120> Hello all. How can I get my palm to sync with Kontact?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> the PCLOS SuperGamer-1 system  http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/6136
[05:14] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  it worked for me.
[05:14] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: I have an old P3 test box, from some of the stuff I have heard edge might have to go on it before it makes it to my main box
[05:14] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  i just saved it as the  main profile and its the default on a new window opening
[05:14] <M4X1MUM> i want to have detailed view by default for all viewing of directory
[05:15] <Dr_willis> set up the file manager how ya like.. save the profile    'save view profile "kubuntu file manager" ' is what i did
[05:15] <Dr_willis> and its rembered as the default one now
[05:15] <proog> anyone knows something about ffmpeg and can help me?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> there used tobe a lot of example view profiles out you could install
[05:16] <M4X1MUM> aaarghh i need to load the profile all the time
[05:17] <Goffi> hi
[05:17] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  what name did you save the profile as?
[05:17] <simp> where is konqueror located?
[05:17] <Goop2> my sound dosent work, it used to, nothing changed, and its not muted
[05:18] <Goop2> its not plugged in either.. nevermind =P
[05:18] <Dr_willis> which konqueror
[05:18] <Dr_willis> /usr/bin/konqueror
[05:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:18] <M4X1MUM> Kubuntu File manager, dang i set shift+m minimize the window now i cannot type capital m lol
[05:18] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  i just used the save..and dident even enter a new name
[05:19] <Dr_willis> the menu item said  "save profile "Kubuntu File Manager"'  soi let it save it over the  original :)
[05:20] <M4X1MUM> ok
[05:22] <Dr_willis> If theres a hard way to do it... M4X1MUM  will find a harder way! :)
[05:24] <baldi> how can i deinstall the ati-driver?
[05:28] <M4X1MUM> aaaaaah it works
[05:28] <Jucato> excuse me, how would I know if the "box" given by my ISP is a modem or a router? (ADSL PPPoE)
[05:28] <fdoving> heh.. find the name and number and google it?
[05:28] <fdoving> ( #kubuntu-offtopic by the way )
[05:28] <Jucato> well, it's brand is the name of the ISP?
[05:29] <fdoving> no clue.
[05:29] <Jucato> fdoving: actually it will become ontopic in a few moments... (I have follow up questions...)
[05:29] <fdoving> ah. ok :)
[05:29] <Jucato> nvm then.. :(
[05:29] <ace> !kde
[05:29] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[05:30] <M4X1MUM> ok next problem! my ktorrent is telling me the directory is not accessible.....the directory owner is me, and why the heck is it still not accessible?
[05:31] <ace> ubotu, sudo
[05:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:31] <nuku> Jucato: you could try nmap -O ...
[05:31] <M4X1MUM> the error is actually "permission denied"
[05:31] <Jucato> nuku: thanks. I'll try that
[05:31] <M4X1MUM> should i just do chmod 777?
[05:31] <ace> M4X1MUM: I dont know alot about this but the same eror was gien to me by the test editor and i used sudo
[05:32] <fdoving> M4X1MUM: depends on what it is, and what you want, really.
[05:32] <Strahlung-Alpha> hi folks
[05:32] <octan> M4X1MUM, ls -ls /torrent dir
[05:32] <zorglu_> M4X1MUM: could you put your nick in lower caps please.
[05:32] <M4X1MUM> i want to allow ktorrent to be able to write onto the directory
[05:32] <octan> *ls -la
[05:33] <octan> m4x1mum, chown YOU:useres /torrent-dir && chmod 755 /torent-dir
[05:33] <octan> *YOU:users
[05:33] <m4x1mum> drwxr-xr-x 10 max adm  4096 2006-10-04 21:51 Files
[05:33] <zorglu_> m4x1mum: thanks
[05:34] <m4x1mum> thats the result
[05:34] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir && chmod 755 /torent-dir
[05:34] <octan> that should fix it
[05:35] <m4x1mum> literally "YOU" ?
[05:35] <octan> no
[05:35] <octan> your username
[05:35] <m4x1mum> aah ok
[05:35] <m4x1mum> how about the sub-dir?
[05:36] <octan> do like this
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*/
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*/*
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*/*/
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*/*//
[05:36] <octan> so on
[05:36] <m4x1mum> whooooaaa
[05:36] <zorglu_> or "chown -R YOU:users /torrent-dir" :)
[05:37] <octan> zorglu_, does that the subdirs?
[05:37] <zorglu_> btw -R works for chmod too
[05:37] <octan> --recursive :)
[05:37] <zorglu_> octan: yes it applies reccursively to all the subfiles/dir
[05:37] <octan> yes i saw..
[05:37] <octan> just looked it up in man
[05:37] <m4x1mum> i thought is small letter "r"
[05:38] <Jucato> how do I share internet connection between Linux and Windows? connection is ADSL PPPoE using a router...
[05:38] <octan> maquerade
[05:38] <octan> or forward
[05:39] <zorglu_> currently you got some admin tools doing it for you
[05:39] <fdoving> Jucato: guidedog
[05:39] <zorglu_> all the NAT+ip_forward stuff
[05:39] <octan> Jucato, can you loginto the router ?
[05:39] <nuku> Jucato: on easy way is to use something like "firestarter" ..you'll get a basic setup from it...
[05:40] <nuku> but on the otherhand its better to configure manually :)
[05:40] <fdoving> Jucato: that's if you want your linux box to be connected to the adsl-box, and your windows box to be connected to the linux box or share hub/switch with it.
[05:40] <Jucato> well basically they each can connect to the internet, but not at the same time. one has to be disconnected...
[05:40] <Jucato> fdoving: they're both connected directly to the router
[05:40] <fdoving> Jucato: can they connect to each other?
[05:40] <zorglu_> Jucato: the 'router' being the adsl box from your isp ?
[05:41] <Jucato> zorglu_: yes
[05:41] <Jucato> fdoving: err... I don't know.. :(
[05:41] <zorglu_> Jucato: your PC are connected to your adsl box via ethernet ?
[05:41] <fdoving> Jucato: do you get a private (192.168.x.x/10.x.x.x/172.x.x.x) ip or a public one?
[05:41] <Jucato> zorglu_: yes
[05:42] <octan> Jucato, way retarded way is to set you router to forward all traffic from the windows pc to the linux bc.. then on linux pc for all traffic fom the windows pc to the router
[05:42] <zorglu_> Jucato: usualy in those case, you got a web site on the adsl box, and some option already exists to share the connection
[05:42] <Jucato> fdoving: I think it's a public one
[05:42] <zorglu_> Jucato: words like 'share' / 'forwarding' / 'nat' somewhere
[05:43] <Jucato> zorglu_: ok I'll try searching...
[05:43] <fdoving> Jucato: i figure since you have to use pppoe the box itself doesn't do any routing. you have to connect a pc to dial and all. right?
[05:44] <CatSoup> how do i network my new kubuntu box onto my linksys router so that my other windows computer can see it?
[05:44] <nuku> well there a couple of hybrid boxes acting both as router or as a modem
[05:44] <Jucato> fdoving: I just enter the username and password that the ISP gave
[05:44] <zorglu_> yep, my adsl box does a lot
[05:45] <fdoving> Jucato: do you have to setup pppoe on each box?
[05:46] <mation> uff
[05:46] <Jucato> oh krap... they're saying it's not a router after all... :(
[05:46] <octan> lol
[05:47] <Jucato> a multi-port modem....??? :(
[05:47] <octan> Jucato, do you got 2 network cards in your pc?
[05:47] <octan> linux ppx
[05:47] <octan> *pc
[05:47] <Jucato> octan: no. :(
[05:48] <zorglu_> you dont need 2 cards
[05:48] <nuku> you can assign virtual devices
[05:48] <octan> :\ it would made your life easyer
[05:48] <nuku> like eth0:1
[05:48] <Jucato> one ethernet card on the PC, one on the lappy...
[05:49] <octan> nuku, thats not posseble with nat. i was thisking like .. Modem ---> eth0 Linuxbox eth1 ---> windows
[05:49] <nuku> octan: why wouldn't that be possible?  modem->eth0:0 eth:0:1->windows
[05:50] <octan> nuku, and where would you connect the 2nd tcp/ip cable?
[05:50] <nuku> into the hub
[05:50] <fdoving> octan: if the modem is multiport and act like a hub.. that would be possible.
[05:50] <octan> he dosent have that
[05:50] <zorglu_> no need to another cable
[05:50] <KrAmMeR> does anyone know how to extract rar files, the ones that are packaged where you would usually extract the first rar file in the folder and it does the rest?
[05:50] <octan> alright
[05:51] <Jucato> oh please explain that :)
[05:51] <nuku> !info unrar
[05:51] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[05:51] <KrAmMeR> yeh
[05:51] <KrAmMeR> i got this
[05:51] <KrAmMeR> http://download.gna.org/unrar/
[05:51] <octan> Jucato, make like this.. ifconfig eth0:1 IP up
[05:51] <zorglu_> the window connection the linux and the linux connect the adsl box, all happening with MAC address on a single ethernet linkx
[05:52] <KrAmMeR> installed it
[05:52] <KrAmMeR> but its not working or im just typing in the wrong command
[05:52] <zorglu_> the window must hook the linux as gateway
[05:52] <octan> then you do.. like iptables -t nat POSTROUTING -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
[05:52] <zorglu_> the linux must do ip forward + nat from the adsl to the window
[05:52] <octan> erm eth0:0
[05:52] <zorglu_> i already did it
[05:52] <Jucato> zorglu_: I only have one NIC card. is that possible?
[05:53] <nuku> KrAmMeR: use the one in the repositories not a manual installation..
[05:53] <KrAmMeR> where do i get that
[05:53] <fdoving> Jucato: if you have multiple ports on the modem it can be.
[05:53] <Jucato> octan: I will try this. so it's the ifconfig comman d first, then the iptables command? need to use sudo on both?
[05:53] <KrAmMeR> ?
[05:53] <nuku> !repository
[05:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: do you have a hub, something which would allow your window to talk to your linux and your linux to talk to your adsl box
[05:53] <KrAmMeR> ok thanks
[05:53] <nuku> enable multiverse and install "unrar"
[05:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: a hub or any kind of cable solution to do so
[05:53] <nuku> via adept or whatever you use as a package manager
[05:54] <KrAmMeR> k
[05:54] <octan> Jucato, well you need to setup a 2 ip on eth card.. and use eth0:1 's ip as the gateway on windows
[05:54] <Jucato> zorglu_: no... but it seems that the "router" is actually just a multi port modem... would that do?
[05:54] <zorglu_> Jucato: e.g. linux -> hub, adsl -> hub, window -> hub would have only 1 card per box
[05:54] <m4x1mum> whats a good torrent client? ktorrent seems too simple
[05:54] <nuku> m4x1mum: azureus
[05:55] <Jucato> octan: oh... any guide on how I could do this?
[05:55] <zorglu_> Jucato: no idea what is a 'multiport modem' :) if it is a hub, aka if the window can talk to the linux thru it, it is ok
[05:55] <m4x1mum> whoaa azureus is abit heavy weight kind
[05:55] <octan> nop.. use you head and draw a sheme.. it make it easyer
[05:55] <KrAmMeR> nuku: i cant find it
[05:55] <zorglu_> Jucato: but i find surprising that a adsl box able to receive multiple ehternet cable is not able to share the adsl between them
[05:55] <Jucato> zorglu_: same here.
[05:56] <nuku> KrAmMeR: have you enabled multiverse? and did and update?
[05:56] <zorglu_> Jucato: to provide multiple plug is more expensive and would be useless without ability to share the connection
[05:56] <nuku> (read the link above)
[05:56] <Jucato> ok probably a simpler question: how can I check if Linux and Windows can see each other through the box?
[05:56] <KrAmMeR> i typed that in adept and it doens't show up
[05:56] <octan> zorglu_, his ips is porbealy block him
[05:56] <octan> i mean the other pc
[05:56] <Jucato> KrAmMeR: you need to enable multiverse
[05:56] <octan> my modem works only on 1 mac
[05:56] <Jucato> !multiverse
[05:56] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:56] <nuku> Jucato: assign internal ip address on both and ping :)
[05:56] <Jucato> KrAmMeR:  ^^^
[05:57] <zorglu_> Jucato: depends, you can simply ping each other, or try to generate trafic on window and use tcpdump on the linux
[05:57] <KrAmMeR> <---newbie
[05:57] <KrAmMeR> ok i'll try agian
[05:57] <junti> i need help :0(
[05:57] <zorglu_> Jucato: are you 100% sure the adsl box is unable to do it ?
[05:58] <nomadsoul> gosh it's the 3rd time that the graphical installer crash.. is there any command-line installer or ncurses installer?
[05:58] <Jucato> zorglu_: well, I can't connect to the internet at the same time... if Linux is connected, Windows can't or vice-versa
[05:58] <rance> hey guys, I just installed kubuntu and got my system running, looks very nice, great job all
[05:58] <junti> i opened a mp3stream file in amarok, but I cant hear anything. I#m an absolutely rookie. Installed the system yesterday
[05:59] <nuku> Jucato: thats not the point.. check if dhclient obtains an ip address from the box
[05:59] <nuku> Jucato: not via pppoe
[05:59] <m4x1mum> aaaargh this crappy konquerer just keep crashing on me!!
[05:59] <nuku> Jucato: and then you might be able to use a browser to set it up
[05:59] <Jucato> nuku: er... how? (sorry, new at this...)
[05:59] <KrAmMeR> nuku: ok there enabled
[05:59] <zorglu_> Jucato: yep this mean your current configuration doesnt work, but the box may still be able to do it. i insist because im surprised about those multiple plug and because all the alternatives are not real nice (e.g. double traffic on the link and force to keep the linux ON to use window)
[05:59] <m4x1mum> junti: hei i got same problem too
[06:00] <nuku> Jucato: dhclient ethX .. and see if it gets an ip
[06:00] <junti> @m4x1mum: Did you solve the problem?
[06:00] <nuku> Jucato: if you get an ip than you can probably connect to x.x.x.1 with a browser...
[06:00] <m4x1mum> nope i have no idea whats wrong, i just installed kubuntu a few days ago
[06:00] <m4x1mum> still setting up the system :(
[06:00] <Jucato> nuku: I need sudo for that?
[06:01] <nuku> Jucato: sure..
[06:01] <m4x1mum> my torrent doesn't work, mp3 doesn;t work video doesn't work
[06:01] <zorglu_> m4x1mum: bad day hey :)
[06:01] <m4x1mum> my nividia driver installation is unsuccessful too
[06:01] <nuku> m4x1mum: what RIAA would think about it :p *scnr*
[06:02] <junti> m4x1mum: Thanks for the moral support ;o). I will read all the topics...there is still time until the soccer match starts..Greetiing friom germany
[06:02] <m4x1mum> lol
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> nuku: there enabled now, do i have to do anything else?
[06:03] <nuku> KrAmMeR: click on fetch updates and then you should find unrar
[06:03] <Jucato> nuku: I connect through PPPoE, not DHCP... will dhclient still work?
[06:03] <KrAmMeR> ok thanks
[06:03] <Arlington> is there a system requirement page to view for kubutntu?
[06:04] <KrAmMeR> maybe this is why my sound for video clips or mp3's doesn't work either
[06:04] <KrAmMeR> ...
[06:04] <m4x1mum> and its freakin midnight damn, so many things to do, so little time
[06:04] <nuku> Jucato: well it will break your connection probably :) most important is if you get an ip via dhcp or not .. best without pppoe
[06:04] <nuku> Jucato: and if you do so if you can connect to the box with a browser..
[06:05] <nuku> if not.. you most likely got a modem only box :p
[06:05] <nuku> KrAmMeR: yes.. you have to install libxine-extracodecs thats also not in the repositories enabled per default :)
[06:05] <KrAmMeR> : )
[06:06] <zorglu_> !codecs
[06:06] <sales> hi
[06:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:06] <nuku> blame frauenhofer and the whole software patent lobby for this :)
[06:06] <zorglu_> KrAmMeR: the first link will help for the audio/video problem :)
[06:06] <KrAmMeR> thats annoying they should change that lol
[06:07] <larson9999> i don't mind software patents but they are patenting things that should be patented.  ugh!
[06:07] <nuku> like mp3? ;)
[06:08] <m4x1mum> those patents dont last forever, they can expire i think
[06:08] <puttlick> r det ngon som lyckats installera XGL?
[06:08] <nuku> well like in 20 years :)
[06:08] <larson9999> nuku: i think the test is supposed to be something that wouldn't be 'obvious' to those in the field.
[06:09] <m4x1mum> unfortunaly so..lol
[06:09] <jonatan> puttlick: prova paa engelska, responsen blir nog baettre daa
[06:09] <zorglu_> !se
[06:09] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[06:09] <fdoving> Jucato: maybe this can help you somehow: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7EOCYI34.html
[06:09] <zorglu_> jonatan: did i guess right ? :)
[06:09] <KrAmMeR> universe sources is takin foreever
[06:09] <nuku> larson9999: sure thats a basic criteria in most patent laws anyway .. like "inventive step"
[06:09] <jonatan> zorglu_: yea
[06:09] <m4x1mum> ok im gonna sleep, im gonna start the battle with kubuntu tomorrow!!
[06:10] <m4x1mum> Linux Wars: Episode 2!! Coming Soon tomorrow
[06:10] <nuku> but this still leads to many restrictions on things that may get "standards"
[06:10] <jonatan> heck, I'm swedish and even I find it annoying when people use it in the english channels
[06:10] <Jucato> fdoving: thanks I'll try it
[06:10] <larson9999> nuku: yeah, but they want to patent everything the first time it's done.  that's what get's me.
[06:10] <KrAmMeR> what exactly are repositories?
[06:10] <jonatan> KrAmMeR: basically a small space on another server that holds a lot of packages in a database
[06:11] <KrAmMeR> k
[06:11] <zorglu_> !repo
[06:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:11] <nuku> larson9999: sure .. there are really alot of trivial patent but still there are other things that may be not THAT trivial but the patent claims come AFTER the thing is established (like mp3/gif/...)
[06:12] <nuku> but i guess we are getting offtopic :)
[06:12] <zorglu_> hehe :) just at the moment i were writing about about offtopi c:)
[06:12] <jonatan> you know, they could solve the entire patent debate by just making the patent duration reflect the speed of development in the field
[06:12] <jonatan> "software patent? Sure, you can have one. Our deluxe option expires in 2 months "
[06:14] <KrAmMeR> having trouble finding libxine-extracodecs
[06:15] <KrAmMeR> OoOO
[06:15] <KrAmMeR> wait a min
[06:15] <KrAmMeR> i have updated
[06:15] <KrAmMeR> updates
[06:15] <zorglu_> !info libxine-extracodecs
[06:15] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[06:15] <zorglu_> KrAmMeR: get multiverse
[06:16] <KrAmMeR> yeh i just did but i need to update it more
[06:16] <zorglu_> :) once is enougth :)
[06:17] <Jucato> make sure that you  added the correct multiverse repo
[06:17] <KrAmMeR> beats me i updated it once already and then it showed up again
[06:17] <KrAmMeR> so maybe it didn't go through
[06:17] <nuku> */5 * * * aptitude update :p
[06:17] <nuku> for the crontab fans around :p
[06:18] <Hawkwind> Might be a crontab fan, but not aptitude that's for sure
[06:19] <nuku> hehe :)
[06:19] <nuku> just kidding
[06:19] <nuku> we all demand the bleeding edge :)
[06:25] <ubuntu_> Hi! I am just testing the kubuntu edgy live cd. Can someone tell me, why OpenOffice is the default office suit, and not KOffice?
[06:29] <puttlick> Does anyone know if you could install compiz running KDE?
[06:30] <BatmanX> hi .. anyone know if there's an issue with Dapper and a fireGL2 video card? .. all I get is a hang on "Uncompressing kernel"
[06:30] <nuku> puttlick: yes you can .. it will just replace kwin ..
[06:31] <nuku> you will keep kicker and stuff..
[06:31] <puttlick> Nuku: okey, I was reading som guide saying I couldn't...
[06:32] <nuku> go for beryl anway its much easier to configure and such..
[06:32] <puttlick> Iwanna run XGL but everything just fucks up
[06:32] <jonatan> hmm
[06:32] <jonatan> some help required
[06:32] <KrAmMeR> nuku: im still gettin errors
[06:33] <KrAmMeR> do i need to restart?
[06:33] <nuku> .. #ubuntu-xgl is for this kind of questions :)
[06:33] <jonatan> I want to create a separate user account without administrator privileges
[06:33] <jonatan> do I just make sure not to add it to the admin group ?
[06:33] <puttlick> Nuku: thx didn't know it existed ;P
[06:33] <nuku> KrAmMeR: what errors?
[06:33] <BatmanX> jonatan: yes
[06:33] <jonatan> what about the adm group
[06:33] <jonatan> should I leave that as well
[06:34] <KrAmMeR> nuku: an error occured while trying to open the archive
[06:34] <Samuli^> hey gnomefreak, would you mind cancelling my ban on #ubuntu?
[06:34] <nuku> KrAmMeR: using unrar?! maybe your archive is broken :)
[06:34] <KrAmMeR> lemme try command line
[06:34] <KrAmMeR> i thought it would just work normally
[06:34] <GnarusLeo> Have anyone got ubuntu to work with Prism drivers (Network Adapter) ?? How do I do this?
[06:34] <KrAmMeR> ...i did install another unrar program manually
[06:35] <KrAmMeR> maybe thats messing withit
[06:35] <nuku> possibly..
[06:35] <KrAmMeR> how do i uninstall that one
[06:35] <nuku> but its just a single executeable so chances are very small
[06:35] <KrAmMeR> k
[06:35] <KrAmMeR> lemme try command line
[06:36] <KrAmMeR> nope
[06:36] <KrAmMeR> still doesn't work
[06:36] <nuku> unrar x ...rar ?
[06:36] <KrAmMeR> yeh
[06:36] <nuku> so..its likely your archive thats broken :/
[06:36] <KrAmMeR> unrar -x filename
[06:36] <puttlick> dpkg: efterfrgad operation krver superanvndarbehrighet wtf?
[06:37] <nuku> oh not -x just x
[06:37] <KrAmMeR> oh
[06:37] <GnarusLeo> puttlick, sudo unrar x file
[06:37] <KrAmMeR> im already root
[06:37] <GnarusLeo> puttlick, sorry :) sudo dpkg -i file
[06:37] <KrAmMeR> sudo -s
[06:38] <GnarusLeo> oh .. beats me
[06:38] <nuku> you dont need to be root.. more you should not be root when doing no administrative stuff :)
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> it says unrar: invalide archive
[06:38] <BatmanX> then its an invalid archive
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> it says unrar: invalide archive "x" bad address
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> damit
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> ok
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> that sucs
[06:39] <KrAmMeR> im gonna download something small
[06:39] <KrAmMeR> and see if it work
[06:39] <nuku> ?
[06:39] <KrAmMeR> to unrar
[06:41] <puttlick> ganarusleo: Thx ;)
[06:43] <KrAmMeR> alright so if this doens't work then i think it might be the other rar program that i installed
[06:43] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: unrar e file.rar
[06:44] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: That is the proper syntax to unrarring a .rar file with unrar
[06:44] <KrAmMeR> ok i'll try that
[06:44] <nomadsoul> does kubuntu have an ncurses installer? the graphical one crashes..
[06:44] <Hawkwind> nomadsoul: The alternate CD has ncurses, yes
[06:44] <GnarusLeo> Have anyone got ubuntu to work with Prism drivers (Network Adapter) ?? How do I do this?
[06:44] <nomadsoul> Hawkwind: i'm talking about the normal kubuntu cd
[06:44] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: nope got the same error
[06:45] <nomadsoul> 6.06 with LTS
[06:45] <Hawkwind> nomadsoul: What do you call 'normal' ??  There is the alternate CD, and then the 'desktop' CD which is the Live CD
[06:46] <nomadsoul> Hawkwind: the one that canonical ship you at home
[06:46] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Can you do an ls in that directory with the files and then run the command, and paste all of that into http://pastebin.ulteo.us so I can see it please
[06:46] <Hawkwind> nomadsoul: That would be the 'desktop' Live CD, which is graphical.  Use the alternate CD which is a full blown installer
[06:46] <KrAmMeR> sure just a sec
[06:46] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Make sure you paste the command(s) you do as well please
[06:48] <Samuli^> what was the command to get root access for infinite amount on that window?
[06:48] <Samuli^> something like su -sh?
[06:48] <nomadsoul> sudo su
[06:48] <Hawkwind> Samuli^: sudo -i or sudo su or you can even create a traditional root account real easily if you wanted
[06:49] <gnomefreak> Samuli^: are you done with the language that you used?
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: ok its pasted in
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> and posted
[06:49] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You need to paste us the resulting URL
[06:49] <Samuli^> gnomefreak, yeah, sorry about that. I was very tired :)
[06:49] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good afternoon!
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> lol
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> sorry
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/138
[06:50] <gnomefreak> Samuli^: give me a minute or 2
[06:50] <abattoir> hi Hawkwind :)
[06:51] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Hmmm, maybe you got a bad download and those aren't actually rar files.  Though seems unlikely
[06:51] <KrAmMeR> yeh they could be bad
[06:51] <KrAmMeR> im downloading something else right now
[06:51] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Have you run 'file lmg-tyfsmoking-dvdr.part045.rar'  to see if it tells you what kind of file it is ?
[06:51] <KrAmMeR> that will have to extract the same way
[06:51] <gnomefreak> done
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> well its a rar file
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> ...
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> .rar
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> right?
[06:52] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Does it tell you that when you run that command ?
[06:52] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Anyone could change the filename to a .rar and call it a rar file when originally could be something totally different
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> yes
[06:53] <KrAmMeR> it says its a RAR file
[06:53] <KrAmMeR> rar archive data
[06:53] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Hm strange.  You do have unrar installed I assume.  If you didn't it would tell you unrar isn't a command
[06:53] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: dpkg -l unrar
[06:53] <KrAmMeR> yeh i do
[06:53] <KrAmMeR> i installed it manually
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> when i was trying to get it to work before
[06:54] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, why ?
[06:54] <Hawkwind> You should just apt-get it
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> cuz i didn't know about he repositories
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> : /
[06:54] <Hawkwind> You should always use what's in the repos first and foremost
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> nothing was comin up when i typed unrar
[06:54] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Uninstall that one, add the right repos, and then sudo apt-get install unrar
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> so i had to get them
[06:54] <Hawkwind> !info unrar
[06:54] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> i have the right reposiories now
[06:54] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: It's in multiverse
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> but they must be conflicting
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> yeh i have that now
[06:55] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Uninstall the unrar you have now first
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> so run this command
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> dpkg -l unrar
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> ?
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> which one...
[06:55] <Hawkwind> I assume you compiled unrar ?
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> yea
[06:56] <Hawkwind> As in did a make sudo make install
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Then from within that directory you did all that, do a sudo make uninstall
[06:56] <KrAmMeR> na i download it from somewhere
[06:56] <KrAmMeR> then did ./configure
[06:56] <KrAmMeR> and the rest
[06:56] <Hawkwind> RIght
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Go to the directory that you did all that in, and type: sudo make uninstall
[06:57] <KrAmMeR> eek
[06:57] <KrAmMeR> i think i just ran it from the desktop
[06:57] <KrAmMeR> lol
[06:57] <KrAmMeR> but ok
[06:57] <Hawkwind> It'll error if you don't do it from within the directory of the source
[06:57] <abattoir> gnomefreak: hi, do you know if i can chroot from a 32-bit system into a 64-bit one?
[06:58] <KrAmMeR> k
[06:58] <KrAmMeR> not sure if it worked
[06:59] <KrAmMeR> nothing to be done for "uninstalled-am"
[06:59] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: sudo apt-get install unrar
[06:59] <KrAmMeR> k
[06:59] <puttlick> bash: cd: kwintv-0.8.5: tkomst nekas? Kubuntu is just bringing shit for me right now...
[07:00] <KrAmMeR> says its not there
[07:00] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unrar
[07:01] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: its workin now
[07:01] <KrAmMeR> im gonna copy that command down
[07:01] <KrAmMeR> : )
[07:01] <WAL> I need some help getting firefox and "make"
[07:01] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: So unrar installed now ?
[07:01] <Hawkwind> WAL: sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:02] <WAL> I get an error
[07:02] <Hawkwind> WAL: What's the error ?
[07:02] <WAL> I'm new to Kubuntu, I think I have issue with my repositories
[07:02] <Hawkwind> WAL: Have you added all the repositories already ?
[07:02] <WAL> Hawkwind: I've added some, not sure if I've done the right ones
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !repos > WAL
[07:03] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: yeh but then it failed to fetch when installed again
[07:03] <Hawkwind> WAL: Follow what the bot just told ya
[07:03] <KrAmMeR> "installing"
[07:03] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Paste the complete error to http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[07:03] <puttlick> why does it say tkomsn nekas when i'm using cd?
[07:04] <WAL> Hawkwind: should those be the only two?
[07:04] <USER020871> moldova
[07:04] <Hawkwind> WAL: You really want/need universe and multiverse.  Make sure you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list appropriately
[07:06] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/139
[07:07] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and make all instances of us.archive.ubuntu.com just simply:  archive.ubuntu.com  and then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unrar again
[07:07] <sarimano> hi
[07:08] <KrAmMeR> k
[07:09] <octan> Jucato i forgot to tell you.. you should also put ifconfig eth0:1 <IP_ADDRESS> in that script.-. before iptables
[07:09] <WAL> Hawkwind: different error now
[07:09] <WAL> should I paste in PM?
[07:09] <Hawkwind> WAL: Paste the command(s) you performed and the errors to http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[07:09] <Jucato> octan: lol I thought so :)
[07:10] <octan> sorry about that
[07:10] <WAL> Hawkwind: it's there
[07:10] <Hawkwind> WAL: You need to paste us the resulting URL please
[07:11] <WAL> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/140
[07:11] <Hawkwind> WAL: Then you don't have your repos setup accordingly
[07:11] <Hawkwind> WAL: Can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list file into http://pastebin.ulteo.us as well please
[07:12] <WAL> yep
[07:12] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: its not letting me save the file
[07:12] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You need to edit it as root.   Try: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:12] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You can of course replace kwrite with kate or whatever GUI editor you want
[07:12] <KrAmMeR> k
[07:13] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: If you prefer vi, then just do: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:13] <WAL> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/141
[07:13] <Hawkwind> WAL: There is your problem.  You only have universe and multiverse.  You need main and other repos as well
[07:13] <josh_> ok guys... i just did a fresh install of linux on my new drive... i dont remember half the programs i had though... what are some interesting programs out there? what is a good webcam/chat program (normally use yahoo but not compatible with linux)
[07:13] <josh_> vi is the sheeznit
[07:14] <josh_> :P
[07:14] <johey> Is there any v2.0 package for ktorrent available for Kubuntu?
[07:14] <WAL> Hawkwind: are those the commecial ones?
[07:14] <BonBonTheJon> josh_: kopete is good
[07:14] <Hawkwind> WAL: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/142
[07:14] <josh_> does it have cam abilities?
[07:14] <mioemi> hello people
[07:14] <Hawkwind> WAL: Those are mine.  Add those to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:15] <johey> josh_: At least with MSN. Don't know about Yahoo.
[07:15] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner on my system
[07:15] <josh_> hmm...
[07:15] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner on my system
[07:15] <Hawkwind> WAL: You'll want to do: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list    Replace kate with your favorite GUI editor of choice
[07:15] <andred-> josh_: it does yahoo webcam, too
[07:15] <josh_> what do i need to burn/watch dvd's?
[07:15] <josh_> kopete does?
[07:15] <WAL> Hawkwind: I just did it with Adept Manager, that works the same right?
[07:15] <andred-> josh_: kopete 0.12 series does
[07:15] <josh_> woot woot. im getting that sucker then
[07:16] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner on my system
[07:16] <mioemi> can any good guy help
[07:16] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/143
[07:16] <johey> john__: It is by far the most featured IM client available for KDE. Maybe the most featured multi protocol IM client available for any system?
[07:16] <Hawkwind> WAL: Sure.  Just make you enable main, updates, multiverse, universe at the very minimal
[07:16] <KrAmMeR> gettin that error
[07:16] <josh_> mioemi: whats ur problem?
[07:16] <josh_> ahh
[07:16] <mioemi> thanks josh
[07:16] <josh_> nevermind
[07:16] <josh_> cant help you
[07:16] <mioemi> ok
[07:16] <josh_> i dont have one of those yet
[07:16] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Try with kate.  You also do *not* need to be in the /etc/apt directory
[07:16] <josh_> im working on i though :P
[07:16] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner card on my system
[07:17] <silox> how do i twinview my desktop on my TV? (i use Nvidia 9625 BETA drivers)
[07:17] <johey> josh_: I meant you, not john__ ...
[07:17] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: still same thing
[07:17] <josh_> lemme see what i can google up
[07:17] <mioemi> are U there josh?
[07:17] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Are you familiar with vi at all ?
[07:17] <WAL> Hawkwind: if security a good idea?
[07:18] <KrAmMeR> not really but i'll try it
[07:18] <Hawkwind> WAL: Certainly
[07:18] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: I can help you with it if you need
[07:18] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:18] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Hit 'i' for insert mode, edit what you want/need.  Then when you're done hit the ESC key, then type    :wq
[07:18] <josh_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96631
[07:19] <KrAmMeR> k
[07:19] <johey> Would it be stupid to install ktorrent_2.0.2-1_i386_sarge.deb in Kubuntu (from Ktorrent's official web page)?
[07:19] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner card on my system
[07:19] <josh_> mioemi: what type of card is it?
[07:19] <silox> how do i put a command in "autostart" so it will start upp automatically when i start x?
[07:19] <Hawkwind> josh_: 2.0.2 is available for Dapper
[07:19] <mioemi> can any body help?
[07:19] <Hawkwind> johey: That was for you, sorry
[07:20] <johey> Hawkwind: It is?
[07:20] <Hawkwind> johey: Absolutely
[07:20] <WAL> Hawkwind: that looks like it's gonna do it, thanks for the help, all this apt stuff is new for a former slackware user like me :D
[07:20] <johey> Hawkwind: Where can I get that?
[07:20] <Hawkwind> johey: Probably in backports
[07:20] <Hawkwind> WAL: No problem.  If you have anymore questions don't hesitate to ask
[07:21] <WAL> Hawkwind: thanks, have a good day
[07:21] <Hawkwind> johey: 2.0.2 is definitely in backports
[07:22] <jamie> so.....
[07:23] <bnilsen> Can anyone here advise about bash programming?
[07:23] <Hawkwind> bnilsen: I can't, but you might ask the experts in #Bash
[07:23] <Hawkwind> bnilsen: Those guys know their stuff, very well in fact
[07:24] <bnilsen> Thanks Hawkwind I'll try there.
[07:25] <tribble> hi.. maybe someone knows the solution: i would like to reset the filebrowser behavior in kubuntu edgy from single klick to open a file to doubleclick but i cant find the option for this anywhere.. i know that if you install kde on a debian you get a configuration assistant who asks about this behaviour but i dont know how to start him manually.. any idea how to do this ?
[07:25] <bnilsen> #join bash
[07:25] <bnilsen> ahhh shucks!!!
[07:26] <Jucato> tribble: System Settings > Mouse
[07:26] <johey> Hawkwind: I see. Thanks! But that required me to add the backports repository to my sources list. Can I ensure all packages primarily will be downloaded from the main repository, and backports only on specific packages?
[07:26] <shriphani> how to let kde run super fast on 256 megs ram ?
[07:26] <Hawkwind> johey: Which ever is newest is what will get installed
[07:27] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Buy more RAM
[07:27] <tribble> ahhh i never looked there.. i was looking in konqueror settings or window behaviour.. thanks :)) i really have to look closer next time
[07:27] <shriphani> uh oh
[07:27] <Hawkwind> shriphani: It won't run 'super fast' on that little bit of RAM
[07:27] <shriphani> i have just 256 megs
[07:27] <shriphani> and i am running kubuntu
[07:27] <Hawkwind> tribble: It's also found in kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse
[07:27] <shriphani> kinda freakin me out
[07:28] <johey> Hawkwind: :(
[07:28] <Hawkwind> shriphani: You really need more RAM than 256
[07:28] <shriphani> Hawkwind: so ubuntu suits the best for 256 megs ram ?
[07:28] <zorglu_> or build super fast disk :)
[07:28] <tribble> hawkwind: thx fount it.. jucato mentioned the same.. i was looking in a completely wrong place for that option ;)
[07:28] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: why was the us.ubuntu interfering?
[07:28] <shriphani> or should i get xfce ?
[07:29] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: It's just a bogged down mirror
[07:29] <KrAmMeR> ok
[07:29] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Might give it a try.  You can sudo apt-get install xfce-desktop if you want to try Xfce
[07:29] <Momal> Does anyone know what the best screen capture program is to run under kde? (capturing the screen as video into an avi or mpeg doesn't matter I can change it later).. that wont lag to much when capturing at 1280x1024 (I have amdx2 4200, 2gbram, gf7800)... Or able to rec at that res then when it saves to smaller size
[07:29] <Hawkwind> Momal: Have you tried wink at all ?
[07:29] <KrAmMeR> its still updating
[07:29] <LjL> shriphani, you should get more ram IMHO. it's unfortunate that modern desktop need such an impressing amount of memory to run smoothly, but still, another 256meg chip is probably around 25 or less
[07:29] <Hawkwind> Momal: It's not a KDE app at all, and it doesn't come with any distro unfortunately
[07:30] <shriphani> Hawkwind: but how do i kick out kde then ?
[07:30] <Hawkwind> RAM is so horribly cheap.  I can buy the same 2x512(1GB w/ copper heat sinks) for $50 where as 15 months ago I paid $150
[07:30] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Click the logout button from the menu
[07:31] <shriphani> no like uninstall kde completely
[07:31] <Hawkwind> shriphani: No need to uninstall it
[07:31] <Momal> hawkwind: its not even linux for that matter is it lol?
[07:31] <Hawkwind> shriphani: You can have them both installed without issues
[07:31] <Hawkwind> Momal: Yes it is
[07:31] <Hawkwind> Momal: I use it all the time in fact
[07:31] <shriphani> Hawkwind: i had tried ubuntu + xfce
[07:32] <Momal> oo.. ok i'll check it out thanls
[07:32] <Momal> thanks*
[07:32] <LjL> Hawkwind: good for you, though here a gig of RAM is more like 100
[07:32] <shriphani> it ended up getting updates for gnome apps
[07:32] <shriphani> like open office and such
[07:32] <Hawkwind> shriphani: It always will as long as Gnome is installed.  That's the security in mind.  You don't just update what you use, but what's installed
[07:32] <Hawkwind> !wink
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <shriphani> so i cant uninstall it?
[07:33] <LjL> shriphani: you can probably remove libgnome. most of the stuff that relies on gnome will go away.
[07:33] <LjL> shriphani: or kdelibs4 in the case of kde
[07:33] <shriphani> oh
[07:33] <Hawkwind> shriphani: You could, but why would you want to ?
[07:34] <LjL> Hawkwind: well, if he doesn't use it...
[07:34] <Hawkwind> shriphani: You should always have 2 - 3 window managers installed.  That way if one is broken and you can't get into it, you have others to get into and fix the broken stuff
[07:34] <shriphani> Hawkwind: wanna have just one desktop manager memory issues
[07:34] <Hawkwind> LjL: ^^^^^^^^^^^
[07:34] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Bad idea IMO
[07:34] <shriphani> oh
[07:34] <Hawkwind> I don't use Gnome, KDE, Xfce, nor windowmaker, but I have them all installed
[07:34] <LjL> Hawkwind: well, if a window manager is broken, you can always boot plain unmanaged X. or fix the problem from the console for that matter.
[07:35] <Hawkwind> LjL: Most new users don't know CLI and are afraid of it
[07:35] <shriphani> so you say i put xfce and let kde stay ?
[07:35] <LjL> and gnome and kde aren't quite just "window managers" anyway.
[07:35] <Hawkwind> Point is...it hurts absolutely nothing to have them install.  Best to have a couple incase things go wrong with one
[07:35] <Hawkwind> LjL: Sheeesh, it was a 'general' statement
[07:35] <fdoving> shriphani: don't want to join thos one or a bunch window manager discussion, but if you really want to remove KDE the best way to remove everything kde-ish is to remove the package 'libartsc0'.
[07:35] <Hawkwind> I wasn't trying to be down right specific.  Was just trying to help the user who is in need of learning
[07:35] <LjL> Hawkwind: well, it hurts in that it takes up disk space, and download time for the updates. it may or may not matter, but it should be considered
[07:36] <zorglu_> not worth a war, for sure :)
[07:36] <Hawkwind> LjL: Diskspace isn't that much at all.  Seriously....it's best to have a couple installed
[07:36] <shriphani> umm i have dialup cant keep updating kde thins
[07:36] <Jucato> octan: thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:36] <fdoving> Hawkwind: it's best to have one that doesn't break. :)
[07:36] <LjL> Hawkwind: ok, but if you consider (say) Gaim a part of Gnome, then there's really no reason to have Gaim installed if you aren't using it. make the same example for all other programs that ship with Ubuntu's Gnome and KDE.
[07:36] <octan> Jucato, :) your welcome
[07:37] <Hawkwind> If you're about space, buy a new 300GB harddrive for $120 when you buy new RAM :)
[07:37] <shriphani> hey wait wont xfce put everything gtk-ishn the box ?
[07:37] <LjL> Hawkwind: you see, as long as you're only talking about the core Gnome/KDE libraries and their window managers, ok, i agree -- one can just keep them installed. but as concerns all the programs that come with them, well, they *do* take up a fair amount of space
[07:37] <Hawkwind> LjL: If a user is scared of or doesn't know X, and his KDE breaks....how is he going to fix it ?  Chances are a reinstall.  If there is another wm/de installed, he will log into that first and foremost
[07:37] <fdoving> Hawkwind: can't put that in my nice little ibook you know :)
[07:37] <fdoving> Hawkwind: livecd
[07:38] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Heh, buy a new laptop while you're buying ram then :P
[07:38] <zorglu_> hehe :) all solved now :)
[07:38] <Lechero> 4 8 15 16 23 42
[07:38] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Or a live CD.  But having only wm/de installed is IMO a bad idea.  I don't use any wm/de ya'll mention on a regular basis, yet I have them all installed, including KDE/Gnome
[07:38] <shriphani> hey what bout the gtk stuff xfce will bring ?
[07:38] <LjL> Hawkwind: ok, i'm not against having a redundant WM installed. i'm just against (well, not even really) having the *whole* of Gnome/KDE with the *whole* of the Gnome/KDE programs that come with Ubuntu installed, and not being used
[07:38] <Hawkwind> Lechero: Are those going to make me millions tonight :P
[07:39] <Samuli^> shriphani, what about it?
[07:39] <LjL> Hawkwind: shriphani talked about OpenOffice for install (though that's really neither a Gnome or a KDE app, but anyway)... why would you want to have it installed if you aren't using it?
[07:39] <Hawkwind> LjL: That's your opinion, and this was mine.  That's the great thing about Linux, choice
[07:39] <mioemi> R U there josh?
[07:39] <Hawkwind> LjL: I don't use it, and it's installed
[07:39] <shriphani> well i just something lightweight altho kde is smooth back here
[07:39] <Lechero> Hawkwind:  only each 128 minutes
[07:39] <Hawkwind> LjL: I'm also not a new user either, so that makes a world of different
[07:40] <fdoving> shriphani: xfce+gnome isn't as much bloat as gnome+kde as xfce uses much of the same stuff gnome does.
[07:40] <shriphani> hmm
[07:40] <mioemi> R U there josh?
[07:40] <LjL> !repeat
[07:40] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[07:40] <Hawkwind> mioemi: He left earlier
[07:40] <zorglu_> mioemi: /whois josh josh will give you information about idle and presence
[07:40] <abattoir> !seen josh
[07:40] <ubotu> josh is on IRC right now!
[07:40] <abattoir> :P
[07:41] <Hawkwind> He's just not in this channel :P
[07:41] <Momal> hawkwind: seems i just get segment fault after trying to run it :(
[07:41] <abattoir> mioemi: he's not in this channel
[07:41] <Hawkwind> Momal: You got everything installed that it needs ?
[07:41] <Hawkwind> Anyways, lunch time here.   Back in a bit
[07:41] <Momal> well I ran its installer script and it didn't say it needed anything
[07:42] <GnarusLeo>  Can anyone please help me? I have succesfully installed and probed my wireless adapter drivers with ndiswrapper (ndiwswrapper -l is ok),"modprobe ndiswrapper" is ok ... insmod is ok and "ndiswrapper "-m is ok. ... but when I wirte "iwconfig" no wlan0 shows up .. any ideas?
[07:44] <mioemi> which channel can I talk to him ?
[07:44] <Hawkwind> mioemi: /whois josh
[07:44] <Hawkwind> mioemi: If he's in a channel it will tell you
[07:44] <Hawkwind> Which he isn't in any
[07:44] <shriphani> Hawkwind: anythig lightweight and qt oriented ?
[07:44] <shriphani> i mean win managers or dm's
[07:45] <zorglu_> hmm bad bt, bad
[07:45] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Nope.  QT is all KDE
[07:45] <mani_> ola
[07:45] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Just use Xfce or fluxbox, or something like E17 or windowmaker
[07:46] <Blacken> Fluxbox is extremely nice if you have a liking for the traditional X sort of thing.
[07:46] <abattoir> Jucato: i remember seeing a stripped down version of kde
[07:46] <shriphani> i wod like traditional x
[07:46] <Jucato> KDE Light
[07:46] <shriphani> would ^
[07:46] <Jucato> but that's just a fork...
[07:46] <abattoir> Jucato: Mini-KDE, google says
[07:46] <Blacken> shriphani: Fluxbox is in the *buntu repositories. It does take a bit of configuration though.
[07:47] <Jucato> hm... still a fork probably? :)
[07:47] <Blacken> One package alone managed to sell me on KDE, though--yakuake.
[07:47] <Jucato> let me check that Mini-KDE... sounds new
[07:47] <abattoir> Jucato: not sure if its just conceptual, though
[07:47] <zorglu_> just under 'unmaintained experiment' section :)
[07:47] <Jucato> Blacken: well there's tilda which also works on GNOME afaik...
[07:48] <Blacken> Jucato: GNOME isn't worth the time of day.
[07:48] <shriphani> anything which will work outta the box and still be traditional x
[07:48] <Blacken> shriphani: No...those environments tend to be for people who are comfortable with configuring things.
[07:49] <Blacken> Hmm, guess that solved it for him. :p
[07:50] <niroxx_> how can i get the source of dpkg-reconfigure ?
[07:50] <Blacken> niroxx_: apt-get source it?
[07:51] <niroxx_> ohh sometimes its easier than i think
[07:51] <overlimit> I installed kubuntu in my laptop but every time I set the time property in reboot it's always 2 hours wrong...any ideas why?
[07:51] <zorglu_> overlimit: the hour in the bios should be UTC one, and the thus the local zone will be ok
[07:52] <zorglu_> overlimit: aka put 17:53 in the bios hour
[07:52] <Blacken> zorglu_: Doesn't that make Windows get annoyed, though?
[07:52] <shriphani_> ok so how do i get traitional x ?
[07:52] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: now says utility unrar is not in my path
[07:52] <zorglu_> Blacken: i dunno... i dont use it
[07:52] <shriphani_> tradional ^
[07:52] <KrAmMeR> seems like the update didn't work either
[07:52] <Blacken> shriphani_: Straight X is pretty painful. I'd look into Blackbox or Fluxbox.
[07:52] <zorglu_> overlimit: if it make window annoyed, set your local timezone as UTC
[07:53] <shriphani_> icewm is good ?
[07:53] <Blacken> shriphani_: I used to use it, it's okay.
[07:55] <KrAmMeR> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/144
[07:55] <shriphani_> does flxbox come with anything for n00bs like me ?
[07:55] <Jucato> Blacken: you're excused :)
[07:55] <LjL> shriphani_: anyway, if you expect to gain significant performance by changing window manager, i think that's a bit pointless. what's making your computer slow is the *programs* you're running, and if you keep running programs that use big libraries (such as the KDE or the Gnome libraries), any improvements from the WM will be marginal at best
[07:55] <JohnFlux_> !nvidia
[07:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:56] <Blacken> shriphani_: "n00bs" ought to stick to GNOME and KDE, because frankly the others are going to be pretty hard at first.
[07:56] <LjL> Blacken: yes, but it sounded like he thought that "straight X" was something that was/is originally intended for actual use -- which it, of course, never was
[07:56] <Blacken> LjL: True.
[07:56] <maryen> theres no x wm?
[07:56] <shriphani_> thx for the advice folks
[07:57] <shriphani_> goodbye
[07:57] <maryen> bye
[07:57] <LjL> maryen: no. X leaves window management to something else.
[07:57] <maryen> oh, x is the sound server right? :)
[07:57] <LjL> maryen: err, no.
[07:58] <LjL> maryen: X is a windowing system. it lets programs draw into "windows", which are boxes that X draws on the screen by talking to the graphics card
[07:58] <LjL> maryen: however, for X a window is *just* a box, with no close/maximise/minimize/resize/whatever buttons at all. that's what a window manager adds
[07:58] <maryen> so its a window manager because it manages windows
[07:58] <BatmanX> no .. it doesnt manage windows
[07:58] <LjL> maryen: no. X makes the windows. the window manager manages the windows that X creates.
[07:59] <BatmanX> window managers such as twn and fluxbox manage then
[07:59] <BatmanX> x simply draws them
[07:59] <maryen> plus i thought linux didnt use windows, why do linux people hate microsoft then?
[07:59] <LjL> ... scuse me?
[07:59] <BatmanX> twm/fluxbox/etc give you titlebars, ability to move, minimize, close, etc
[08:00] <BatmanX> ok  .. me thinks maryen is just being stupid now
[08:00] <LjL> maryen: you don't think the concept of a "window" in computing was invented by Microsoft, do you?
[08:00] <fdoving> maryen: they don't, they just don't care what microsoft does. unless they are server admins and have to cope with clients using it or something in that direction. :)
[08:00] <mhb> hey everyone
[08:00] <mhb> I have a really dumb question
[08:00] <maryen> windows is owned by microsoft
[08:00] <zorglu_> all that is very helpfull for support :)
[08:00] <LjL> maryen: the *program* called "Windows" (capital W) is a Microsoft product.
[08:00] <zorglu_> ok lets launch a language war
[08:00] <zorglu_> python is best
[08:00] <Samuli^> lol
[08:01] <maryen> that twm manages right?
[08:01] <Samuli^> maryen is just zinging with ou.
[08:01] <fdoving> let's get back on topic :)
[08:01] <linuxkid2> but windows are something invented by either apple or xerox. (which one?)
[08:01] <mhb> or maybe I don't
[08:01] <LjL> maryen: ok, i'm now also convinced that you're just trolling.
[08:01] <maryen> lol im no troll
[08:01] <fdoving> linuxkid2: not related to #kubuntu - please use #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support issues.
[08:02] <linuxkid2> I was just joining the conversation. :(
[08:02] <LjL> (linuxkid2: xeros)
[08:02] <LjL> x
[08:02] <maryen> mhb left
[08:02] <maryen> wonder why
[08:02] <fdoving> linuxkid2: sorry about that, but the whole conversation should take place in #kubuntu-offtopic. This was not to attack you.
[08:03] <linuxkid2> maryen: twm, evilwm and hackerbox are super-minimal window managers that give you nothing much more than window frames.
[08:04] <maryen> applets would be nice too
[08:04] <rance> can someone give me a hand with a problem, I want to configure cups on kubuntu to be a client of a cups server on another box, kubuntu doesnt come with a /etc/cups/client.conf file by default so I copied that file from that other box, and edited the "ServerName" variable to be what I wanted still kubuntu printer setup wants to load printers from localhost? what gives
[08:04] <maryen> but i guess thats just too fancy for twm
[08:04] <linuxkid2> maryen, then blackbox or fluxbox.
[08:06] <Mantits> does a black man used kubuntu?
[08:06] <maryen> mantis: huh?
[08:07] <Mantits> does a black man used kubuntu?
[08:07] <maryen> mantis: your mixing of past and present tense has blown my mind
[08:07] <Samuli^> lol
[08:07] <Mantits> sorry english is not my language
[08:07] <zorglu_> i heard vi is better that emacs, what do you think ?
[08:07] <maryen> nano rules all
[08:08] <linuxkid2> depends. vi is old anyways, vim is better
[08:08] <Mantits> is GNAA like GNU?
[08:08] <zorglu_> damn
[08:08] <linuxkid2> nano's nice
[08:08] <zorglu_> yep but vi is better than rubby too ?
[08:08] <linuxkid2> i've never used emacs myself
[08:08] <fdoving> rance: can't you just add the printer with 'system settings -> printers -> add' ?
[08:08] <zorglu_> because i heard emacs is better than python
[08:08] <zorglu_> so vi is better than rubby
[08:08] <simen> Hi, my systray dissapeared after upgrading to edfy eft, anyone have any ideas on how to get it back?
[08:09] <maryen> hur?
[08:09] <Samuli^> is nano better than gnome?
[08:09] <fdoving> rance: in the wizard you select 'remote cups server'