[15:36] <spiderfire> sudo displayconfig-gtk
[15:37] <klaxian> frequently throughout the day, my hard drive usage spikes for about a minute but CPU usage remains low.  the computer is unresponsive but I can't determine what process is causing it
[15:37] <Helvasca> trackerd?
[15:37] <spiderfire> i uninstalled that
[15:37] <klaxian> Helvasca: that was my first thought but i don't have trackerd installed
[15:38] <pepie34> now it is a problem with libfglrx_gamma.so.1
[15:38] <pepie34> :(
[15:38] <Helvasca> I honestly have no idea
[15:38] <Helvasca> At the moment Im trying to get my laptop fan workign !
[15:38] <Helvasca> I really dont like it running hot!
[15:38] <mmarker> which laptop?
[15:39] <Helvasca> Dell D600
[15:41] <Helvasca> mmarker: why?
[15:41] <spiderfire> 1600x1200
[15:41] <spiderfire> nm that\
[15:42] <ravalox> I'm using a geforce 8800
[15:42] <mmarker> Getting the fan working depends on the hardware. Firing up a fan on a Dell is different than, say, a Macbook
[15:43] <Helvasca> mmarker: I've heard there might be a kernel issue with it.. I've looked at my /proc/acpi and there doesn't seem to be any thresholds etc
[15:44] <mmarker> Yea. What I've just seen via Google concerns me. This laptop is pretty old, right?
[15:45] <Helvasca> 4 years Id think
[15:45] <Helvasca> its got a Pentium M 1.6 in it
[15:45] <kaminix> A web page CSS says this: #cardholder #card #kanjibig p { margin:0; padding:0; font:100pt 'Hiragino Mincho Pro','ヒラギノ明朝 Pro W3','ＭＳ 明朝','ＭＳ Ｐ明朝', serif; }             ## Yet still the font in question renders with Times New Roman or something like that, not any of the suggested fonts anyway (of which I only have MS Mincho / MS 明朝 and I guess 'serif')
[15:45] <shane2peru> hey has anyone successfully gotten the 8.04 server 64bit rc installed?
[15:46] <Helvasca> mmarker: and it looks like a scary problem
[15:47] <shane2peru> I think I ran into a bug, once I ran into the selection of packages and install, it failed on that part, no packages could be installed.
[15:47] <shane2peru> Did anyone else have any problems with it?
[15:47] <shane2peru> I checked my md5sums and the disk, both are fine.
[15:49] <kaminix> Okay. Now I have a site where Firefox renders a font correctly, but Konqueror doesn't. Konqueror used to do it right until I upgraded to 8.04RC. Any takers?
[15:49] <shane2peru> nada, nothing, no one else is trying out the server 64bit RC?
[15:49] <kaminix> Same problem as above with more information by the way.
[15:49] <IsotropicSpin> hey
[15:49] <IsotropicSpin> does anyone know why it asks me for the installation cd everytime I want to install anything?
[15:49] <IsotropicSpin> its very annoying given it won't accept my installation cd as the correct one
[15:50] <Helvasca> IsotropicSpin: just remove it from your sources
[15:50] <shane2peru> it is because it is in your sources IsotropicSpin
[15:50] <jbroome> IsotropicSpin: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cd
[15:50] <shane2peru> Helvasca, too fast for me. :)
[15:50] <IsotropicSpin> what does that mean?
[15:50] <IsotropicSpin> haha!
[15:50] <IsotropicSpin> ahh cheers!
[15:50] <Helvasca> # i scommenting out
[15:50] <mmarker> that it does. There's supposedly a dellfand for those older modules. No clue if anyone packages it. And it is a hack, but it looks like the D600 is from the days of borked ACPI BIOSes.
[15:51] <shane2peru> IsotropicSpin, or there is a graphical way too, if you prefer. :)
[15:51] <Helvasca> mmarker: yeah but the thing is it used to work under fiesty/gutsy
[15:51] <jbroome> sorry, i'm ear deep in cli today. :)
[15:51] <IsotropicSpin> shane2peru
[15:51] <IsotropicSpin> just fixed
[15:52] <IsotropicSpin> thanks!
[15:52] <shane2peru> IsotropicSpin, System -> Administrator -> Software Sources uncheck CDROM :)
[15:52] <shane2peru> is this the HardyHeron/RC channel?
[15:52] <IsotropicSpin> i think so
[15:52] <Helvasca> shane2peru: yup
[15:53] <jbroome> shane2peru: /topic
[15:53] <shane2peru> has anyone installed the 64bit server?
[15:53] <shane2peru> mine refused to install packages, didn't matter what I selected.
[15:53] <shane2peru> LAMP, Postgre sql, DNS server
[15:53] <jbroome> shane2peru: i haven't done the server, but desktop installed fine
[15:53] <mmarker> Now that's important to know...and no clue how to debug. Only item I'd try first is make sure the thermal zone modules for ACPI are loaded...
[15:54] <IsotropicSpin> well HH hasn't crashed yet, which is good cause GG was doing it all the time for me, which is why i was tempted to download the RC
[15:54] <Lamego> shane2peru, what error did you get ?
[15:54] <Helvasca> how do I check loaded modules mmarker
[15:54] <shane2peru> Lamego, just said it failed to install the packages, it let me install the grub fine after that, but no packages.
[15:54] <shane2peru> Lamego, I also reported a bug on launpad, but wanted to see if anyone else had run into this.
[15:55] <Lamego> shane2peru, it must have displayed something more descriptive than that, like failed to download, etc etc
[15:55] <abli> do I have to install something to get the 'Restricted Drivers Manager'? (I don't see it under the Admin menu) or do I have to do something else to install the binary nvidia driver?
[15:55] <mmarker> lsmod. I think the module you're looking for is called thermal. Warning, you're gonna get a lot of output.
[15:55] <shane2peru> Lamego, hmm, I don't remember seeing anything more descriptive, it was pretty vague, just package selection failed.
[15:55] <jbroome> lsmod | grep thermal
[15:56] <Helvasca> ill grep
[15:56] <Helvasca> thermal                16796  70
[15:56] <Helvasca> processor              36872  2 thermal
[15:56] <mmarker> Ok, good start.
[15:56] <shane2peru> Lamego, do you have it installed? via the RC installation?
[15:57] <shane2peru> Lamego, I can give it another shot and see, but it didn't give me anything specific.
[15:58] <Helvasca> Hmm I really shouldn't be doing this now its 0058 and I have to be up at 0600
[15:59] <Lamego> shane2peru, I did an sudo apt-get install mysql-server, it's running without problems
[15:59] <Lamego> I do have the RC, 64 bits
[15:59] <shane2peru> yeah, I probably could do that, I just was concerned about the media installation not working correctly.
[16:00] <shane2peru> Lamego, ^^^
[16:00] <Lamego> well, i am using the internetl repositories, not the CD
[16:00] <Lamego> internet
[16:00] <shane2peru> Lamego, right, but I was doing a new install with the RC and it didn't work.
[16:01] <Lamego> with the server cd ?
[16:01] <shane2peru> Lamego, correct, I checked the md5sums and the cd for defects and they are both fine.
[16:01] <shane2peru> Lamego, which leads me to believe there is a problem with the installation process.
[16:02] <abli> ah. I see it got renamed to 'hardware drivers'
[16:02] <Lamego> ok
[16:02] <shane2peru> Lamego, how would I get LAMP via apt?  is there a LAMP sym package?
[16:02] <Lamego> shane2peru, sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php5 (= LAMP)
[16:03] <shane2peru> Lamego, ok, will it set it up the same as if I choose it off the CD?
[16:03] <Lamego> yes
[16:03] <shane2peru> Lamego, great, thanks!
[16:04] <shane2peru> Lamego, I filed a bug on it, is there anything else I should do to get the problem of the installation fixed that you know of?
[16:04] <shane2peru> Lamego, I like Ubuntu, and want to do my part of helping. :) though little it may be.
[16:05] <StealthCP> See when Ubuntu 8.04 is properly released in two days time, there's no need to change repos set up in Ubuntu for the beta/rc or anything, it all goes automatically doesn't it?
[16:05] <Lamego> shane2peru, a bug preventing the A M P from being installed will be fixed for sure
[16:06] <daekdroom> StealthCP: Make sure to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in case a new package is added or a package is removed.
[16:06] <shane2peru> Lamego, right, it wasn't just the LAMP, I tried selecting any package, and nothing worked for the package selection.
[16:06] <daekdroom> but the repos won't change.
[16:07] <StealthCP> That's ok, however I've been using aptitude full-upgrade for a while now, same thing I guess
[16:07] <StealthCP> I suppose release notes will be the only thing really changed?
[16:07] <daekdroom> StealthCP: aptitude seems to be more safe.
[16:07] <StealthCP> Ok.
[16:07] <daekdroom> I don't know. I think they'll change the documentation packages a few days or hours before the release.
[16:08] <daekdroom> but I noticed they were upgraded by today.
[16:10] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey how how well is pulse audio integrated with hardy, when I look at my volume control it says alsa
[16:13] <nickthorley> hi all - does anyone know if there are any options to encrypt a filesystem in 8.04?
[16:17] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey how how well is pulse audio integrated with hardy, when I look at my volume control it says alsa
[16:18] <Pici> Pulse audio does not replace Alsa.
[16:18] <qzio> hm, is acpid broken? (acpid_1.0.4-5ubuntu8) ?
[16:20] <abli> Any idea what should I check if the 'unlock' button is greyed out in the 'network settings' dialog even though I am and admin user?
[16:20] <tzd> need help with my filesystems that seems messed up please? My usual auto mounts doesn't mount anymore due to occupied mount points?
[16:21] <StealthCP> KDE4 support seems to be at a very early stage though - I've been testing it, and the unthemed GTK and the many crashes I'm not sure is due to beta Ubuntu or KDE4 itself
[16:21] <StealthCP> A terrible thing is audio
[16:21] <vbabiy-laptop> Pici: what does it due then?
[16:21] <daekdroom> Ubuntu Hardy comes with libsdl-alsa by default.
[16:22] <StealthCP> I really wish they used .16 alsa in Ubuntu 8.04, it has less problems with my sound card than .15
[16:22] <daekdroom> I had to replace it for pulseaudio myself to listen to Mp3 and play games at the same time :p
[16:22] <Pici> vbabiy-laptop: One sits atop the other to provide a layer of management.
[16:22] <Pici> I dont know the specifics
[16:22] <vbabiy-laptop> o okay
[16:22] <StealthCP> I can't get pulse audio wirking either - I was loking forward to that :P
[16:22] <daekdroom> Too bad kernel 2.6.25 came too late.
[16:22] <daekdroom> 2.6.24 isn't good at all.
[16:23] <StealthCP> Two sound cards, an X-Fi xtrememusic on which the alsa 32-bit drivers won't build for, only OSS will work, and I'm not mesing up Hardy with OSS at this stage :P
[16:23] <StealthCP> And an external Edirol UA-25, which I'm using currently
[16:24] <StealthCP> right brb, just installed ubuntu-desktop and gonna give KDE4 a rest for a few days at least
[16:24] <StealthCP> ;)
[16:27] <Laptop765> my Thinkpad doesn't seem to be generating acpi events for buttons...could somebody assist me?  I'm a former Gentoo user.  When I initially switched to Ubuntu (7.10) everything was fine and my volume buttons worked perfectly fine (yay!) and then I'm guessing an update blew them out one day and I haven't been able to figure out why...  I'm now running 8.04RC
[16:34] <beex> is there a usb install guide for hardy? everything I see talks about gutsy.
[16:34] <Khamael> beex: have you checked if the procedure is the same?
[16:35] <kona> Hi, Is the Final release of Hardy Heron still slated for this Thursday 4/24?
[16:35] <bazhang> yes kona
[16:36] <kona> bazhang: Would you know what time it would be available at California - Pacific - Timezone?
[16:36] <bazhang> kona join the release party ;]
[16:37] <kona> bazhang: Ok - How do I go about that?
[16:37] <daekdroom> How can we have a release party if there isn't a certain hour? Or is there?
[16:37] <bazhang> !hardy
[16:37] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[16:37] <beex> Khamael, I have tried the automated instructions in this guide
[16:37] <beex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[16:37] <daekdroom> What's the fun of that? :p
[16:38] <daekdroom> Will we keep pressing F5 at ubuntu's website?
[16:38] <beex> Khamael, but I suppose there's some variance in the paths
[16:38] <bazhang> you can say you were there--the moment that linux toppled MS
[16:38] <Lamego> if RC was delayed 1 day, shouldn't the final be also delayed to keep the "testing" interval ?
[16:38] <daekdroom> Nah. That's something too huge for a buggy release of Ubuntu.
[16:41] <ratpoison> hello! hardy user. My ntfs partitions don't mount automatically with every login, yet they appear under the "Places" menu
[16:41] <ratpoison> how do I make them mount automatically with every login?
[16:42] <Lamego> ratpoison, add them to /etc/fstab
[16:43] <ratpoison> I also want to be able to share them via samba. What mask should I use?
[16:44] <lumm> encrypted lvm2 roots also seems not to mount after boot
[16:44] <lumm> :S
[16:46] <TopoMorto> i'm searching jigdo file for i386 desktop cd, it seems missing from http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/, is only aviable in this format the alternate version:(((
[16:47] <W8TAH> hi folks - -im installing the kde-desktop metapackage on hardy RC1 its taken like almost 2 hours so far -- to do the downloads -- is this normal or is there a problem out there?
[16:48] <daekdroom> It's like 100Mb+ of download.
[16:48] <daekdroom> The problem out there is either the mirror you're using or your connection.
[16:48] <Khamael> TopoMorto: hardy isn`t officially released yet. the newest is rc, I think
[16:49] <Khamael> TopoMorto: nm. saw the link
[16:49] <shane2peru> does anyone know anything about gnome-desktop-environment being broken in the server edition?
[16:49] <Pici> shane2peru: What do you mean? The server install has no GUI.
[16:49] <daekdroom> o.o
[16:49] <shane2peru> Pici, correct
[16:49] <W8TAH> daekdroom: ok - thanks
[16:50] <Pici> shane2peru: Is there a question there?
[16:50] <TopoMorto> Khamael, you are right :)) i know Hardy is relase candidate :)
[16:50] <shane2peru> Pici, or seems that way, how can I get gnome-desktop installed?
[16:50] <Khamael> TopoMorto: ok. just making sure :P
[16:50] <W8TAH> shane2peru: in my mind you really dont want a gui on a server
[16:51] <daekdroom> hehehehe.
[16:51] <daekdroom> Not even openbox.
[16:51] <shane2peru> W8TAH, I know, but my server is my desktop too. :)
[16:51] <Pici> shane2peru: What issue are you having?
[16:51] <_max_> i dono if this is a problem with only 8.04 or with 7.10 aswell, but i FINALLY got ubuntu to install onto a GPT partition table.
[16:51] <W8TAH> shane2peru: ouch
[16:51] <_max_> parted says the partition is 5000gb
[16:51] <_max_> but when i mount it it says its only 540gb now (said 5000 before)
[16:51] <shane2peru> Pici, here it is:  http://pastebin.com/d108d4425
[16:51] <_max_> i can't run resize_reiserfs to grow it cause it says its already the maximum size.
[16:51] <_max_> anyone got any idea what the hell is wrong?
[16:52] <shane2peru> W8TAH, it isn't so bad, I just really tinker with the server side, it is mostly a desktop. :)
[16:52] <daekdroom> shane2peru: That's somewhat a problem. Server's kernel is slower than desktop, but more stable.
[16:52] <shane2peru> daekdroom, I have noticed the stability, and actually like it, haven't noticed the slowness running 64bit
[16:52] <daekdroom> It's because server kernel is 100hz. It takes longer to a program take over all CPU power.
[16:53] <jbroome> wtf
[16:53] <kona> Anyone know best URL to visit for the final release of HH? Will use torrent to download.
[16:53] <TopoMorto> Khamael, did you know why jigdo file of i386 standard desktop (and the amd64 version, too) is missing?
[16:54] <daekdroom> kona: mostly like every URL will be overloaded.
[16:54] <jbroome> kona: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/  when it's released
[16:54] <shane2peru> kona, it isn't for another 2 days.
[16:54] <Jimmey> Can someone please help me with my bcm43xx card on hardy? I have used the instructions to get the card's firmware installed in the correct directory, and it's now recognising WLANs, but I can't seem to connect to any of them, specifically the one in my house - Protected by a WPA password. It asks for the password, but then can't connect, for some reason.
[16:54] <shane2peru> Pici, therefore can't install desktop. :)
[16:55] <Khamael> TopoMorto: no idea. personally, I`m waiting for the official release
[16:55] <shane2peru> Pici, seems to be conflicting packages, fam and gnome-desktop-environment
[16:56] <shane2peru> Pici, if you want the whole thing, I can paste that. :) if it will help.
[16:56] <TopoMorto> Jimmey, look in your dmesg :)
[16:57] <Jimmey> TopoMorto, okay. It's saying authenticate with AP (MAC address here)
[16:57] <Jimmey> Then "authentication with AP MAC_ADDRESS timed out
[16:57] <Pici> shane2peru: I see bug 216756 logged for this right now
[16:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216756 in meta-gnome2 "Impossible install Gnome starting from ubuntu netboot installation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216756
[16:58] <shane2peru> ok, I will check that out, thanks.
[16:58] <TopoMorto> Jimmey, give me a moment i'will chek my bcm4xx notebook :))
[16:58] <TopoMorto> *checkù
[16:58] <shane2peru> Pici, ^^^
[16:58] <TopoMorto> *check
[16:58] <Pici> Yep
[16:58] <kona> jbroone: Thanks was over at the #ubuntu-release-party channel as well - they suggested coming there on the 24th for most updated info download. THanks for URL also.
[16:58] <Jimmey> TopoMorto, thankyou
[17:01]  * TopoMorto answer the phone
[17:01] <shane2peru> bug 216756
[17:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216756 in meta-gnome2 "Impossible install Gnome starting from ubuntu netboot installation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216756
[17:01]  * shane2peru thinks that is cool
[17:01] <kona> Is there a way to have XChat start with more than one channel open?
[17:02] <pistache-ubuntu> Yes
[17:02] <pistache-ubuntu> It's in the Options of your channel
[17:03] <akk> kona: In Network List, check "connect at startup" for each network you want to autojoin
[17:03] <kona> pistache-ubuntu: Will look in there and see if I can figure it out - Thanks much.
[17:04] <kona> akk: I tried that but didn't do something right - maybe not listing them correctly?
[17:04] <dethstar> so how's the latest RC of 8.04?
[17:04] <bazhang> the final nail
[17:05] <akk> kona: If you have a network set up there and you can connect by clicking Connect, then checking "Auto connect to this network at startup" should also work
[17:05] <akk> kona: does it work clicking connect, but not automatically?
[17:05] <pistache-ubuntu> In each network you can set up the channels to autoconnect
[17:06] <pistache-ubuntu> Hardy Heron rocks, I love the graphics and I hope that there will be more support for Compiz Fusion, like new version of XGL, because it's a bit a mess on Gutsy.
[17:06] <kona> akk: yep - If I select join another channel it will do it and the other will stay running as well.
[17:06] <akk> Anybody know what changed in /etc/event.d from gutsy to hardy? I'm finding that /etc/event.d/tty1 doesn't work the way it did before
[17:07] <akk> Or is that system documented anywhere? (It's ubuntu specific)
[17:07] <AaronMT> Hi, does anyone know how to change b43-fwcutter's speed to the correct MBPS? It's displaying 1MBPS, where it should read 22
[17:07] <orvokki> Does it really matter?
[17:07] <AaronMT> Yes, it's 20MBPS slower than normal.
[17:07] <akk> kona: The question is more whether it works to connect ... joining another channel is a different operation.
[17:08] <Jimmey> AaronMT, do you reckon you could help me get connected? Are you using b43 driver with the firmware?
[17:08] <orvokki> AaronMT: Oh, you mean actual connection speed instead of fwcutter's cutting speed?
[17:08] <AaronMT> Yes, I just installed hardy and used the firmware it asked to install
[17:09] <Jimmey> Oh, were you connected when you did it?
[17:09] <AaronMT> Bit Rate in iwconfig lists 1 Mb/s
[17:09] <geu> hi someone told me, that you can actually install  a linux iso from within the gnome desktop on another attached HDD is that true?
[17:10] <AaronMT> Wireless works, it's just rediculously slow using b43-fwcutter
[17:10] <kona> akk: I have it set to join #unbuntu+1 - When I start XChat - and it does that - if that's what you need to know - sorry new at this - not sure if that's what your asking?
[17:10] <guja_nebeska> Need help in setting iSight camera to Macbook Intel based 64-bit with Hardy on it! Thank you!
[17:10] <guja_nebeska> Need help in setting iSight camera to Macbook Intel based 64-bit with Hardy on it! Thank you!
[17:10] <akk> kona: What about the other network you want it to join?
[17:10] <xx0xx> hi
[17:11] <xx0xx> can anyone help me with proftpd?
[17:11] <xx0xx> IPv6 getaddrinfo 'AmaderBanglaChat.com' error: No address associated with hostname
[17:11] <xx0xx> AmaderBanglaChat.com - SocketBindTight in effect, ignoring DefaultServer
[17:12] <guja_nebeska> Need help in setting iSight camera to Macbook Intel based 64-bit with Hardy on it! Thank you!
[17:12] <akk> kona: Oh, I'm sorry, I just realized you were asking about channels on the same server, and I've been answering for different servers
[17:12] <kona> akk: If I goto "Server/Join Channel" then input other channel that one will run as well - if that is what you are asking?
[17:13] <Slart> Hello everyone, just a quick question. Can I switch the default soundcard in hardy and somehow make it effective without restarting X or reboot?
[17:13] <akk> kona: you should be able to give a comma-separated list of channels, e.g. #ubuntu+1,#ubuntu,#ubuntu-whatever
[17:13] <Rainarrow> Hello guys, anyone running hardy on ATi X300? I can't get the restricted driver to work
[17:13] <akk> kona: If there are any spaces, it won't go past the space, so use commas to separate the channels you want
[17:13] <guja_nebeska> Need help in setting iSight camera to Macbook Intel based 64-bit with Hardy on it! Thank you!
[17:13] <CrazyRat> i have x1450, it works fine
[17:13] <Rainarrow> now it shows a mark under "Enabled", but the status is still "Not in use"
[17:14] <Rainarrow> I checked xorg.conf and it seems alright
[17:14] <Pici> !releat | guja_nebeska
[17:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about releat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:14] <Pici> !repeat | guja_nebeska
[17:14] <ubotu> guja_nebeska: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[17:14] <AaronMT> !patience | guja_nebeska
[17:14] <ubotu> guja_nebeska: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:14] <Rainarrow> I also tried aticonfig --initial
[17:14] <guja_nebeska> !blabla AaronMT
[17:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blabla aaronmt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:14] <guja_nebeska> :D
[17:14] <Pici> guja_nebeska: Don't do that.
[17:14] <Rainarrow> !blabla
[17:14] <kona> akk: ok ok - so I will use "CTRL+S" and just add other channel with a comma - correct?
[17:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blabla - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:14] <guja_nebeska> Okay Pici.
[17:14] <phillipsjk> I fonud a bug in gcalctool 5.22.0 I get a "malformed expression" error when trying to use Scientic Notation (in the scientific mode). I Even tried entering the example in the documentation.
[17:14] <akk> kona: Correct
[17:15] <Pici> !bug | phillipsjk
[17:15] <ubotu> phillipsjk: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:15] <xx0xx> WHO CAN HELP ME WITH PROFTPD?
[17:15] <kona> akk: Ok - I can do that - Will I need a space after comma or anything?
[17:15] <AaronMT> !caps xx0xx
[17:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about caps xx0xx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:15] <akk> kona: No, no spaces
[17:16] <Pici> xx0xx: Please be patient, if perhaps try asking in #proftpd
[17:16] <akk> !upstart
[17:16] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[17:16] <xx0xx> Pici: they are dead xd
[17:16] <Rainarrow> and glxinfo |grep render says OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[17:16] <Lynoure> xx0xx: looks like you don't have ipv6 ip for that hostname
[17:16] <kona> akk: Cool - Cool - Boy that wore me out - how about you <grin> - Thanks much!
[17:16] <Slart> xx0xx: try asking a specific question instead of the general "help me with..."
[17:16] <akk> kona: Yay! you're welcome
[17:17] <xx0xx> Lynoure: how do i add ipv6?
[17:17] <Lynoure> xx0xx: not a proftpd problem as such, a dns problem
[17:17] <xx0xx> ok
[17:18] <kona> akk: what a poain this all is sometimes - but sometimes there is a light at the end of the tunnel that makes it all worthwhile !  :o)
[17:18] <kona> p;ain
[17:18] <kona> pain
[17:18] <xx0xx> Lynoure:  i guss dns is ok
[17:21] <kona> akk: Got both channels I need running now - much appreciate the help.....
[17:22] <Lynoure> xx0xx: Depends on what host that is, you can either just add an entry in /etc/hosts or as the dns admin to set up dns for ipv6
[17:23] <Lynoure> xx0xx: or you can add DefaultAddress with the ipv4 ip to the proftpd config, if you don't need ipv6 yet
[17:23] <xx0xx> i dont know how to setup dns for ipv6
[17:23] <xx0xx> ok
[17:23] <Zambezi> xx0xx: Maybe ask in regular #ubuntu ?
[17:24] <xx0xx> Zambezi: they are not much help.
[17:24] <xx0xx> xD
[17:24] <judgen> hardy is released in a few days, and they have not yet fixed the xorg bugs... a little worrysome
[17:24] <Zambezi> xx0xx: But this is a channel about Hardy. Not proftpd.
[17:24] <Pici> judgen: Which bugs?
[17:25] <xx0xx> ummm i am using hardy ;p
[17:25] <Zambezi> xx0xx: So? It's not a Hardyissue.
[17:25] <judgen> Pici: doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" produces a worthless xorg.conf file...
[17:25] <Pici> judgen: Thats not a bug
[17:26] <judgen> Pici: I know how to write my own, but sometimes im too lazy
[17:26] <Pici> judgen: Xorg no longer needs xorg.conf to be populated with anything to work
[17:26] <judgen> Pici: who come it does not work then?
[17:27] <judgen> Pici: also the bug with nvidia drivers newer than *.9x series that makes laptops screens all black.
[17:27] <Pici> judgen: Are there bug numbers for these issues?
[17:27] <Zambezi> judgen: That's not a bug? That's more like unsupported?
[17:27] <judgen> Pici: dont know...
[17:28] <Zambezi> judgen: Can you check Launchpad?
[17:28] <akk> It doesn't need anything ... as long as it can figure out the right defaults
[17:28] <judgen> it works if connected an external screen though
[17:28] <topyli> judgen: perhaps you should file them, or add info to existing bugs if needed
[17:28] <akk> but for some monitors/cards it probably does need a config file
[17:29] <topyli> judgen: bigger chance of anything getting fixed if it's known
[17:29] <gregorah> Why did my hard drives change from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* when I upgraded to Hardy? I've got it fixed, just curious.
[17:29] <Slart> gregorah: what did you upgrade from ? dapper?
[17:29] <gregorah> from 7.10
[17:29] <Zambezi> gregorah: It changed from Dapper to Edgy I believe.
[17:30] <Slart> gregorah: all hard drives use the scsi interface now.
[17:30] <judgen> topyli: the bug exists in other distros too, but not with the 1(0-5)x series of drivers only the 16X series, but with ubuntu the problem persists.
[17:30] <MrBill> good day, I have the Beta of Hardy installed on a PC at home, am i correct in understanding that once the official release is made public my beta will become "official" without me having to download and reinstall?
[17:30] <Pici> !final | MrBill yep
[17:30] <ubotu> MrBill yep: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[17:30] <Slart> MrBill: there might an update or two.. but sure.. it'll be final after that
[17:30] <MrBill> I have been applying my updates, so I think I'm good to go
[17:31] <afallenhope> hey can someone help me lol, I accidentally hit WINKEY + R and now everything is magnified
[17:31] <gregorah> ok, thanks. Slart and Zambezi
[17:31] <afallenhope> how do I get out of it? I tried hitting it again... didn't do anything
[17:31] <judgen> Pici: another interesting thing is that my net connection on a RTL8111b stops working after a little while unless i set aliases in modprobe to disable ipv6
[17:31] <MrBill> There's still updates in Gutsy (which is a good thing of course) so seeing updates in Hardy will of course be expected =)
[17:31] <Slart> afallenhope: aww.. man.. I had to try.. how do I turn it off??? =)
[17:31] <judgen> is hardy the next LTS?
[17:31] <afallenhope> Slart: I don't know that what I'm trying to figure out
[17:32] <Pici> judgen: Again, if there are no bugs logged for these issues, how are the developers supposed to know that things are not working?
[17:32] <Lamego> judgen, yes, hardy is LTS
[17:32] <judgen> Pici: ive filed quite a few reports on the realtec site.
[17:32] <MrBill> If I have a Gutsy install up and running as well (seperate machine) and I want to upgrade it to Hardy (without loosing my settings and installed apps and all that), is the process pretty involved, or pretty straightforward?
[17:32] <afallenhope> Anyone know how to stop it?
[17:33] <Pici> judgen: That doesnt really help Ubuntu though.
[17:33]  * DanaG wishes DST would die.
[17:33] <DanaG> Daylight Savings Time.... and Use More Heating time.
[17:33] <DanaG> ... because you get up earlier, when it's colder.
[17:34] <judgen> Pici: Also, is there a decent opensource nvidia driver with accelerated 3d that i have missed?
[17:34] <topyli> judgen: as long as a bug doesn't exist in the bug tracking system, it doesn't exist :)
[17:34] <HorizonXP> hey is it just me, or does evolution suck with IMAP
[17:34] <Zambezi> afallenhope: I'm not sure. Ask in #ubuntu where it's more people.
[17:34] <topyli> judgen: so you better make sure it does
[17:34] <Jessicatz> I installed sox here in hardy, and it only supoports two formats, m3u and pls
[17:34] <Slart> afallenhope: seems it's a compiz feature
[17:34] <judgen> topyli: true
[17:34] <Fade>   HorizonXP -- evolution is awful with very large imap hierarchies.
[17:34] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Installed codecs?
[17:34] <Wobbo> Where did the samba config ui go?
[17:34] <aoupi> has hfs+ support been changed for hardy?
[17:35] <Slart> afallenhope: I disabled the "enchanced desktop zoom" plugin and reenabled it.. that fixed it
[17:35] <aoupi> weird permission problem going on. Mounted an external firewire drive (HFS+). mount says: "/dev/sdc2 on /media/Macintosh HD type hfsplus  (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)" but when I do something like `touch "/media/Macintosh HD/abc` I get: "touch: cannot touch `abc': Read-only  file system". What might be the problem?
[17:35] <Wobbo> The default shared folder config ui under the system menu
[17:35] <Fade> HorizonXP: if you have large imap hierarchies, use thunderbird.
[17:35] <aoupi> it worked before, I think "before" was before I installed hardy
[17:35] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I updated from feisty with working codecs, libmad etc are all here
[17:35] <_Lucretia_> still flickering :(
[17:35] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: also I'm listening right now to mp3s
[17:35] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: so I figure they are there
[17:36] <judgen> btw does linux has alot better port of googleearth than osx or windows? it just seems to be smoother.
[17:36] <Fade> aoupi: is it a journaled HFS+ volume?
[17:36] <aoupi> Fade: yea
[17:36] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: I think the packagename is restricted-formats something. See if that's installed.  I just switched away from Thunderbird, and I have everything set up nicely in Evolution too
[17:37] <HorizonXP> Fade: I'm using GMail IMAP
[17:37] <Fade> HorizonXP: your other option is to decrease the size of the folders in imap.
[17:37] <Wobbo> judgen:  i think googleearth is exactly the windows version, built in wine by google for us linux users
[17:37] <Fade> download them to local disk as you 'expire' them.
[17:37] <aoupi> Fade: darn! you might actually be right :O, I just copied the home folder before
[17:38] <Wobbo> judgen: so you might say that wine does a better job then windows =D
[17:38] <aoupi> do you have any tips on how I might get everything back? :(
[17:38] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: (x)ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[17:38] <judgen> Wobbo: ok, maybe. But i have many games running better in wine than windows. UT2k4 and quake3 is good examples
[17:38] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: I think it's that. I can check.
[17:38] <akk> Wobbo: google earth for linux is a native app, kde based, unless they've changed it from the first release
[17:38] <HorizonXP> Fade: It's Gmail though, so downloading them to disk won't delete them
[17:38] <Fade> well, you can read a journaled HFS system.
[17:38] <Fade> so copy the data into a volume you can write to.
[17:39] <Wobbo> akk: ok
[17:39] <aoupi> Fade: I have the data I want here,it's a backup. the mac has been reinstalled and I kinda want to put the files back on it :)
[17:39] <Fade> HorizonXP: well, I guess you'd have to put them in the trash.
[17:39] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Correct.
[17:39] <judgen> hehe i did a apt-get install * =)
[17:39] <Fade> aoupi: if you have a running mac, what's the problem?
[17:39] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I installed (X)ubuntu ones, without kubuntu one
[17:39] <Wobbo> don't ut and quake have linux native builds
[17:39] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: still no change :/
[17:39] <HorizonXP> Fade: with over 7000 emails spread across all my folders, not really a good option right now
[17:40] <HorizonXP> just gonna have to live with it I guess
[17:40] <aoupi> Fade: true, maybe ethernet over firewire will be good enough
[17:40] <shane2peru> configure mysql-server  --  should one set a root password?  if not would the password be setup as the user password, kind of like the security of no root password?
[17:40] <Wobbo> Can anyone tell me where the config panel go for network sharing?
[17:40] <Fade> HorizonXP: use thunderbird in that case. evolution just shits itself in such situations.
[17:40] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Which DE do you use?
[17:40] <Fade> aoupi: huh? can't you just plug the disk into the firewire port on the mac?
[17:40] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: DE?
[17:40] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Desktop enviroment.
[17:40] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: xfce
[17:40] <judgen> aoupi: you could just mount the disk and copy over the data from linux. But if its journaled HFS+ it can be troublesome, but possible. Just make sure tu unmount before you reboot
[17:41] <aoupi> Fade: nah, internal disk, plus hte disk here is reiserfs and osx doesn't have good filesystem support for anything non-mac or win
[17:41] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Then it's xubuntu-restricted-formats
[17:41] <Rainarrow> Hello, my fglrx won't load on X300, /var/log/Xorg.0.log says fglrx(0): could not detect X server version (query_status=-3)
[17:41] <aoupi> judgen: is there write support for HFS+ that I can install?
[17:41] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: no such package :/
[17:41] <Fade> well, you can reinstall the mac system in plain HFS and journal it later.
[17:41] <Rainarrow> Someone gimme a clue?
[17:41] <Fade> then you could write to the disk.
[17:41] <judgen> aoupi: yes
[17:41] <aoupi> judgen: oh great
[17:42] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Sure? I have a look after apt-get is done. It's working now.
[17:42] <shane2peru> any advice on setting a mysql-server password, should it be left blank?
[17:42] <Fade> good luck with that. lol
[17:42] <judgen> aoupi: start synaptic and look in "other plattforms" section or what ever its called in english
[17:42] <Lamego> shane2peru, no, that is not safe
[17:42] <shane2peru> from a security perspective?
[17:42] <shane2peru> Lamego, ok, that is what I needed to know, thanks
[17:42] <Zambezi> shane2peru: Ask in #mysql but blank is really stupid in my opinion.
[17:43] <shane2peru> Zambezi, I just didn't know if it was kind of like the sudo, with no root password
[17:43] <shane2peru> I'm not very server savvy. :)
[17:43] <aoupi> judgen: I'll try the hfsplus package
[17:43] <shane2peru> thanks Lamego Zambezi
[17:43] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: xubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:45] <Zambezi> shane2peru: It's like leaving your door unlocked. So use a good one or write it on a note if you unsure. That at least better than blank.
[17:46] <aoupi> judgen, Fade, seems like you can disable the journal temporarily, thanks' for your help
[17:46] <Fade> n'p
[17:46] <Fade> let me know if that works.
[17:46] <Fade> I wasn't aware of the option on the mac.
[17:46] <shane2peru> Zambezi, right, thanks
[17:47] <Zambezi> shane2peru: Your welcome.
[17:49] <DanaG> diskutil does have a disablejournaling option.
[17:52] <Zambezi> 378 users online. I bet it wasn't that many three-four weeks ago when Hardy still was alpha. :-P
[17:54] <W8TAH> Zambezi: not sure why you would expect ther to be lots more then -- at alpha stage its not useable
[17:54] <ravalox> Hey, I've got myself a graphical pickle; I installed Ubuntu 8.04 and everything works well; EXCEPT it won't let me select a resolution higher than 800 by 600
[17:54] <ravalox> I used xrandr to add a new modeline
[17:54] <ravalox> But the new modeline (1024) doesn't work.
[17:54] <ravalox> I'm using a geforce 8800
[17:54] <jbroome> !resolution | ravalox
[17:54] <ubotu> ravalox: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[17:55] <judgen> aoupi: no problems.
[17:55] <W8TAH> ravalox: make sure (if there is one) that you are using the restricted driver for that as well
[17:55] <W8TAH> that solved my problem
[17:55] <judgen> im off to play some kobo. PM if you want anything
[17:55] <Zambezi> W8TAH: I just meant it's cool people trying it.
[17:56] <ravalox> I have, I have the nvidia driver running.
[17:56] <ravalox> It plays Quake Wars great on a different monitor.
[17:57] <xngear> what is usual time to respond to bug report? is it comman that bug reports are ignored?
[17:57] <phillipsjk> Hmm. Reproducing my calculator bug setp-by-step, I find the severity is now a "feature enhancement". (It works as documented, but not as I expect)
[17:57] <ravalox> This is something fundamental about the new Ubuntu; I can't play with xorg like I used t o.
[17:58] <pascalFR> hi,  anyone to confirm bug #217181  ?
[17:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217181 in kdebase "[hardy] numlock light does not work as expected on kde3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217181
[18:00] <joumetal> xngear: Time to get response depends on bug. Could you give bug number?
[18:00] <AzaTht> can't kill wvdial :(
[18:00] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I installed xubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:00] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: no change regarding sox
[18:00] <xngear> joumetal bug 219743
[18:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219743 in linux "4 GiB of RAM installed, ~3.8 GiB reported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219743
[18:01] <AzaTht> anyone around "accidentally" using an Huawei modem?
[18:01] <jbroome> that's gotta be a 32 bit os
[18:01] <xngear> jbroome: dont assume and jump to conclusions
[18:01] <jbroome> but i have my jumping to conclusions mat right here!
[18:03] <AzaTht> * #ubuntu :You can't join that many channels
[18:03] <AzaTht> WTF
[18:03] <jbroome> AzaTht: there's a chan limit on freenode
[18:03] <Pici> AzaTht: Are you in 20 channels already?
[18:03] <AzaTht> yea ツ
[18:03] <Pici> There you go
[18:03] <AzaTht> chan-limit, gah
[18:03] <Jessicatz> misusing katakana as misley
[18:03] <Jessicatz> smiley
[18:03] <Jessicatz> it burns
[18:03] <AzaTht> hehe
[18:03] <Pici> Jessicatz: This is a support channel, do you have a question?
[18:04] <Jessicatz> just kidding
[18:04]  * Pici scratches his head
[18:04] <Jessicatz> Pici: yes, I asked already
[18:04] <DaemonLee> Are there any major bugs left in the Hardy Heron RC?
[18:04] <Jessicatz> Pici: and I'm waiting for my conversation partner to answer, thank you
[18:04] <Pici> Jessicatz: ah
[18:04] <jbroome> xngear: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13582405/C%3A\untitled folder\free.log  shows 4gb ram
[18:05] <Pici> jbroome: 4036592 is actually 3.84 gb
[18:06] <aoupi> Fade: disabling journal worked like a charm :)
[18:08] <DaemonLee> Are there any major bugs left in the Hardy Heron RC?
[18:09] <Pici> DaemonLee: Some people in here seem to think so
[18:09] <DaemonLee> Pici, could you describe any?
[18:10] <DaemonLee> I'm trying to think if I should do the RC or do the 2-days-till-upgrade-one. :-D
[18:11] <aquo> hi
[18:11] <DanaG> I wish they'd fix the **** scheduler.
[18:11] <bluefoxx> ok, i was told before that the hard disk drivers were switched to the scsi drivers as they were more stable but now my hdd shows up as hda again...this being after one of my actual scsi drives clicked out last night and i had to screw around for a hour in fstab to get it going again[the computer, not the drive] after it failed and i rebooted it was mounting my main[boot] hard disk in the place of the failed[and removed] scsi driv
[18:11] <bluefoxx> e!.
[18:11] <aquo> i tried the release candidate with qemu (boot from cd), but it didn't work ...
[18:12] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I installed a newer sox from the debian repos, it has all the format supports
[18:12] <aquo> when i boot, i got lost with some initramfs busybox shell.
[18:12] <bluefoxx> and is it possible for usb disks to show up as something other than /dev/sd*? cause otehrwise my sata, scsi and usb disks all get mounted to the wrong places -. -
[18:12] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Never install Debianpacks on Ubuntu.
[18:13] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: sorry, it works
[18:13] <Jessicatz> :P
[18:13] <DanaG> /dev/disk/by-id/
[18:13] <DanaG> makes it easier.
[18:13] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I'm aware that it voids my warranty
[18:13] <bluefoxx> /dev/ed* or /dev/ud* perhaphs? for "external disk" or "usb disk"?
[18:13] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade and se if it complains.
[18:13] <akk> bluefoxx: My disks are all showing up as /dev/hd*, but that might be because I'm running my own kernel.
[18:13] <DanaG> Creating Properties window.
[18:13] <DanaG> You can stop this operation by clicking cancel.
[18:13] <Pici> !uuid | bluefoxx
[18:13] <ubotu> bluefoxx: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[18:13] <DanaG> WTF?
[18:14] <DanaG> vol_id -u works too.
[18:14] <akk> bluefoxx: but you can hack your udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d to have specific names for each usb disk
[18:14] <Kirrus> !wtf > DanaG
[18:14] <bluefoxx> akk: well my generic kernel fried and "rt" works again. this after last updates installed two older kernels and toasted my "rt" kernel
[18:14] <DanaG> WTF isn't offensive... it's common language.
[18:14] <bluefoxx> akk: that sounds good :)
[18:15] <DanaG> Spelling it out is a different matter.
[18:15] <akk> DanaG: don't look at me, look at Kirrus
[18:15] <akk> oh, you didn't, sorry
[18:15] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: You can break you entire installation if you packages for another OS cause it depends on other versions.
[18:15] <Kirrus> its in ubotu for a reason... I won't discuss this on a public channel :)
[18:15] <DanaG> Oh, and for some reason, pidgin ignores "preferred applications"
[18:16] <Kirrus> if you want to, message me
[18:16] <DanaG> Whatever.
[18:16] <pen> is there a app to display detail information about a mp3 file ?
[18:16] <strtok> good morning, has anyone gotten the proprietary ATI drivers to work with a Radeon HD 2400? My system goes black on boot and then reboots itself. This breaks in 7.10 and 8.04
[18:16] <DanaG> Or perhaps I'll use "WT*"
[18:16] <DanaG> or WT-
[18:16] <jiphex> Hi I've got a problem with the Hardy RC installer, when i boot off the livecd I get an error when gnome starts "Failed to start HAL", and the installer won't start
[18:17] <bluefoxx> akk: which file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ do i edit?
[18:17] <Jessicatz> jiphex: I tihnk I had the same problem
[18:17] <Jessicatz> jiphex: the installation wasnt finished
[18:17] <Jessicatz> jiphex: did it reboot at some point?
[18:17] <jiphex> this is on the livecd
[18:18] <akk> bluefoxx: Probably 60-persistent-storage.rules though I don't know what 61-persistent-storage-edd.rules is
[18:18] <Jessicatz> jiphex: h
[18:18] <Jessicatz> jiphex: no clue hten
[18:18] <DanaG> "Creating properties window" -- fine, just show me the window!
[18:18] <DanaG> I just want to set what application opens that file type!
[18:18] <DanaG> ARGH!
[18:18] <bluefoxx> hmm...connection to archive.ubuntu.ca and archive.ubuntu.com failed...wtf?
[18:19] <akk> bluefoxx: If you get it working, write it up and put it on the web ... there's not enough clear udev documentation available
[18:19] <Lamego> bluefoxx, change your mirror
[18:19] <bluefoxx> akk: will do
[18:19] <jiphex> I thought it might be a dodgy cd but this is the second i've burnt and the md5 is correct
[18:19] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: it didn't complain
[18:19] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: does that mean sometihng?
[18:19] <maxb> I've seen 3 machines today fail a do-release-upgrade because ubuntu-desktop was marked for removal by apt. Does anyone know off hand if there's a launchpad bug about this already?
[18:19] <bluefoxx> akk: i think ill test is out on my other machine once i get a pata disk to boot from though :\
[18:20] <bluefoxx> Lamego: what mirror should i use?
[18:20] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Depends. Hard to say.
[18:20] <Lamego> bluefoxx, us.
[18:20] <bluefoxx> Lamego: i allready switched from the ca one to global one :/
[18:20] <bluefoxx> Lamego: kk
[18:20] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: ok I lied, sox appearently doesn't support all formats
[18:20] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: it supports many, but not mp3
[18:20] <aquo> did somebody test the ubuntu release candidates with Qemu?
[18:21] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: I have no such problems.
[18:21] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: :(
[18:21] <BlakeSmith> Anyone have some insight into why I cannot change desktop icons?  I've deleted everything in /home and have seen no change.
[18:21] <bluefoxx> O.o, it suddenly connected :0
[18:21] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: what icons are you talking about?
[18:22] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: icons of documents/folders that were in your home folder?
[18:22] <BlakeSmith> Jessicatz, icons for folders everywhere
[18:22] <BlakeSmith> and icons in my menus
[18:22] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: wait, you went into /home and deleted the folder with your username as title?
[18:22] <BlakeSmith> no
[18:22] <BlakeSmith> all of the hidden settings files
[18:22] <Jessicatz> okay, and why?
[18:23] <Jessicatz> what did you try to accomplish
[18:23] <BlakeSmith> because i've had this problem for weeks
[18:23] <BlakeSmith> because i am not able to change my icons or themes
[18:23] <Jessicatz> it works fine for me in xfce
[18:23] <BlakeSmith> so i figured a settings file was corrupted
[18:23] <Jessicatz> are you using gnome?
[18:23] <BlakeSmith> in gnome
[18:24] <IamReck> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me out.  I am getting the error message "Unable to enable desktop effects at this time" When I try to go from None Visual Effects to Normal.
[18:24] <tawt> Can someone help me please?  I can boot hardy with kernal 2.6.22-14, but not with the new kernal 2.6.24-16.  Can anyone help me boot into the new kernal?
[18:24] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: so if you change the icon theme in the theme manager, no icons are changing, right?
[18:24] <DanaG> .... STILL hasn't shown the properties window!
[18:24] <DanaG> Aaargh!
[18:24] <BlakeSmith> Jessicatz, yea
[18:24] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[18:25] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: well that puts me straight out of ideas :/
[18:25] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: I have some themes that don't change every icon, only some
[18:25] <BlakeSmith> i've tried every icon theme installed, no change
[18:25] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: did you restart X after deleting the .folders?
[18:25] <BlakeSmith> yes
[18:25] <akk> tawt: where is it stopping?
[18:25] <DanaG> Oh, it's waiting on gnome-video-thumbnailer.
[18:26] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: sorry :<
[18:26] <tawt> akk:  it just goes to a black screen and stays there
[18:26] <BlakeSmith> i've also ran gnome-appearance-properties in term and watched for some errors, nothing
[18:26] <DanaG> I don't need no stinkin' thumbnails.
[18:27] <tawt> akk:  i usually let it load for about 5 minutes, but it never takes that long on the old kernal
[18:27] <Jessicatz> yea, it doesn't have a "dont thumbnail files over X mb"
[18:27] <akk> tawt: okay, so probably some sort of X problem. You could try disabling gdm so you just boot to a console, then try running X by hand
[18:27] <Jessicatz> DanaG: you could propose that as feature :)
[18:27] <tawt> akk:  how would i do this?
[18:27] <zylche> Question: Are we going to have variable volume control system-wide before the final release?
[18:27] <akk> tawt: or you could try making random changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf (turning off DRI helps on some machines)
[18:28] <zylche> Jessicatz: having that option on is dangerous, I have a 700mb image on here
[18:28] <jiphex> Can someone have a quick look at my dmesg output and see if they can diagnose why HAL won't start? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64015/
[18:29] <akk> tawt: One easy way ... you could rename the gdm program (probably something like /usr/bin/gdm) and then whatever's starting it won't be able to find it
[18:29] <Jessicatz> zylche: yea I said it doenst have that option
[18:30] <Jessicatz> zylche: which I think is necessary
[18:30] <Jessicatz> zylche: oh wait, I'm talking about thunar
[18:30] <zylche> I know, just adding comment to your feature request
[18:30] <tawt> akk:  ok, thanks
[18:30] <Jessicatz> zylche: yea, I would set it to 2mb or so
[18:31] <zylche> Mind you the M-81 spiral galaxy has never looked sharper on a photo.
[18:31] <DanaG> ... it STILL hasn't shown the Properties window.
[18:31] <DanaG> Argh!
[18:31] <DanaG> And I even did 'chmod -x /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer/'
[18:31] <DanaG> What gives?
[18:32] <DanaG> Haven't they heard of error checking?
[18:32] <akk> jiphex: maybe it's unhappy with your sound card for some reason
[18:32] <Jessicatz> DanaG: did you kill that process?
[18:32] <DanaG> I killed it and it came back.
[18:33] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I found out the reason, it was because apt didn't install any of the libsox-fmt-* packages
[18:35] <DanaG> Oh heck, I even linked it to /bin/true... and STILL it didn't show it.
[18:36] <DanaG> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!
[18:36] <DanaG> HULK SMASH!
[18:37] <sahak> hello
[18:38] <bluefoxx> ok, i made the change to /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules but cant test it yet, i am converting a video for my sansa so i will test it after. but if anyone is interested i will pastbin the change
[18:39] <bluefoxx> this is regarding making usb and firewire disks show up in /etc/ differently from scsi disks, useful if you use sata/scsi disks in your system and forget to unplug a usb drive on bootup[otehrwise it could get mounted to the wrong space by fstab :\]
[18:41] <bluefoxx> akk: heres my modification http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64018/
[18:43] <strtok> anyone know what fglrx driver heron installs if you ask it to install proprietary drivers?
[18:43] <rbrunhuber> the hardy setup offers encrypted lvm for a complete partition can i get this manually to?
[18:43] <rbrunhuber> out of the setup?
[18:44] <DanaG> Why does pidgin ignore my default browser setting?
[18:45] <dethstar> hows an 8800GTS do with 8.04?
[18:45] <ravalox> It does great
[18:45] <ravalox> I have an 8800
[18:45] <dethstar> alrighty
[18:45] <dethstar> cool
[18:45] <dethstar> I'm about to install with one
[18:45] <sahak> if I upgrade to hardy from 7.10, do I have to do anything after the general release of Hardy  on April 24th?
[18:45] <ravalox> Nvidia drivers get my stamp of quality so long as they aren't a geforce 5xxx
[18:45] <Pici> !final | sahak
[18:45] <ubotu> sahak: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[18:45] <aquo> did anybody try the release image with qemu?
[18:46] <aquo> i didn't work for me.
[18:46] <dethstar> am I going to have to go out and grab some drivers or anything?
[18:46] <aquo> it would be really sucking, if the release images wouldn't work with qemu.
[18:47] <sahak> I am upgrading to Hardy Heron now
[18:48] <Prez00>  what's the scoop on Hardy RC?  compared to 7.10?
[18:49] <Pici> Its a new version
[18:49] <Pici> Prez00: see release notes in topic
[18:49] <Prez00> I mean, stablewise, mostly
[18:49] <Prez00> ?
[18:49] <aquo> does anybody care about my problems with the RC and qemu?
[18:49] <aquo> it is nothing that can be fixed with package-updates later on.
[18:50] <sahak> i have to close xchat, because I am upgrading to hardy. bye
[18:53] <aquo> can anybody read this?
[18:53] <bluefoxx> ok, so my change didnt work...
[18:53] <DaemonLee> Yep.
[18:53] <aquo> i am feeling like talking to a wall.
[18:54] <zylche> not really, aquo.
[18:54] <zylche> There's a window as well.
[18:55] <crimsun> aquo: more specifically, please?
[18:55] <proq> aquo: did you try the ubuntu server version and qemu? (I didn't see your post, just joined)
[18:55] <bluefoxx> need to do more research into this subject then. i would truely love to see my usb/firewire drives show up as /dev/ed* instead of mingling with my internal scsi drives[which i have fstab mount on bootup] i think sata would be good as /dev/fd*[fast or high speed drive] as well...
[18:56] <aquo> crimsun: ok, i tried ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso with qemu 0.9.0 as it is available in gutsy
[18:56] <aquo> i checked md5sum
[18:56] <akk> bluefoxx: It certainly can be done ... might just take some more experimenting
[18:57] <bluefoxx> akk: indeed...
[18:57] <aquo> i tried to use same setup of qemu that i used for an gutsy image ... nothing special.
[18:57] <bluefoxx> ./brb
[18:57] <aquo> i am able to boot, and usplash starts ...
[18:57] <proq> aquo: maybe you should try it
[18:58] <aquo> at some point booting stops and i get a busybox bootprompt for initramfs
[18:59] <aquo> proq: try what?
[18:59] <DB42> should both APM and ACPI daemons be running at the same time on my laptop ?
[19:00] <proq> aquo: the server version
[19:00] <bluefoxx> ./back
[19:00] <gomoran2> Hello, I'm just ugrading a kubuntu gutsy to hardy. Now all Fonts look ugly (blured and colored), even setting lcd_filter to lcdfilterlegacy does not help (any more). How do I get decent glyphrendering back?
[19:00] <aquo> proq: why?
[19:00] <uberpsyx> hey guys, just installed the hardy beta and 90% of programs i try and run dont load and i get a program crash thing in the system tray and firefox wont load any page other that the router setup even though pidgin works fine. Any ideas?
[19:01] <proq> aquo: because it has a good chance of working, and you could then install the window manager packages you need
[19:02] <StealthCP> Can anyone tell me how to completely remove KDE4?  I have ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and kbuntu-kde4-desktop installed.
[19:02] <spidla> hi ... Is anyone here, who has working configuration of ATI fglrx driver with dual-head and composite extension ... with running compiz ? :)
[19:02] <StealthCP> I would like to remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop, but keep the other two.
[19:02] <DB42> can anybody check in X in system->administration->services if both APM and ACPI are running ???
[19:02] <StealthCP> spidla, yes :D
[19:02] <spidla> wow :D
[19:03] <proq> aquo: this has worked for me on two different machines that wouldn't boot the desktop version
[19:03] <spidla> I cant get it working
[19:03] <StealthCP> What card are you using?
[19:03] <spidla> RADEON 9600 Pro
[19:03] <StealthCP> ah, hehe, good card, but not sure dual-head WITH compiz is considered not pushing it a bit :P
[19:03] <ConstyXIV> has anyone else had a wubi install suddenly start dropping to busybox on boot?
[19:03] <StealthCP> Although compiz isn't heavy
[19:03] <aquo> proq: yes, but this means it would be impossible to use the live-system inside the virtual machine. i don't want to install anything.
[19:03] <StealthCP> I don't think it can accelerate video to both screens at the same time.
[19:04] <DB42> can anybody check in X in system->administration->services if both APM and ACPI are running ??? (this can't be hard)
[19:04] <DanaG> Is there any easy way to install without a CD?
[19:04] <DanaG> Like Wubi, but to a partition.
[19:04] <spidla> the situation is this ... I have got fglrx driver working .. Xorg is working well with dual-head and Xinerama but I cant enable Composite extension needed for compiz
[19:04] <uberpsyx> anyone got an answer to my question? im kinda desperate, got an english essay in for tomorrow >_<
[19:04] <ravalox> Hey, I've got myself a graphical pickle; I installed Ubuntu 8.04 and everything works well; EXCEPT it won't let me select a resolution higher than 800 by 600
[19:05] <ravalox> I used xrandr to add a new modeline
[19:05] <ravalox> But the new modeline (1024) doesn't work.
[19:05] <ravalox> I have an 8800
[19:05] <spidla> any ideas ? :)
[19:05] <katakaio> ravalox: Have you tried editing your xorg.conf file?
[19:05] <ravalox> I have the nvidia driver running.
[19:05] <ravalox> That was my first idea
[19:05] <uberpsyx> ravalox, i had that problem, to sort, go synaptic and install envy, then uninstall the nvidia drivers
[19:05] <ravalox> but the new xorg for 8.04 isn't wise to that notion.
[19:05] <ravalox> It doesn't have resolutions.
[19:05] <bluefoxx> ravalox: i had a 8500
[19:05] <katakaio> ravalox: You can add a resolution line
[19:06] <ravalox> What is envy?
[19:06] <uberpsyx> ravalox, then when you boot back up install the drivers again
[19:06] <bluefoxx> ravalox: are you using nvidia-glx-new?
[19:06] <Ronald> Does anybody have a clue how to get java and other plugins to work on FF2?
[19:06] <proq> aquo: hmm.. you probably should have mentioned that in the first place
[19:06] <ravalox> Yes I am
[19:06] <katakaio> It comes with little or no configuration, but you can add a res line just like the old days
[19:06] <ds187_> hello there. i have hardy installed and i'm using the latest nvidia driver via the envyng gui. now i've heard that it is better to stick to the binary-drivers within the repository, because newer driver doesn't mean better drivers..........how do i do this, because i can't find the restricted-drivers-icon in the system menu
[19:06] <uberpsyx> ravalox, a program to install/uninstall nvidia and ATi drivers
[19:06] <ravalox> aaaah, I may just try that then
[19:06] <bluefoxx> ravalox: well thats all i could suggest...
[19:07] <katakaio> ravalox: I would look at an xorg file from a previous version for the template
[19:07] <uberpsyx> so i guess noone can solve my problems :'(
[19:07] <ravalox> I have just such a file I can refer to.
[19:07] <bluefoxx> surprisingly, the 512mb 8500gt pcie was not noticibly better than my 256 pci 6200OC :/
[19:07] <ravalox> That was a helpful idea
[19:07] <katakaio> Perfect - I hope it works! (It worked for me . . . )
[19:08] <aquo> proq: i think the main problem is the amount of memory i relocated for the virtual machine ...
[19:08] <uberpsyx> can someone atleast tell me why all my apps keep crashing?
[19:08] <aquo> proq: i didn't expect the system to stop working correctly without announcement. 256 mb memory seems to be not enough. it is a shame.
[19:09] <aquo> it should annouce "not enough memory for running" ...
[19:09] <aquo> +n
[19:09] <proq> aquo: well if that doesn't work your best bet is to wait for someone to release an image of hardy for qemu
[19:11] <uberpsyx> please?!? anyone!?!? *cries of desperation*
[19:11] <Pici> uberpsyx: Do you get errors?
[19:11] <aquo> proq: i think the main problem is, that it is very complicated to install systems manually the same why like the installer does (starts with localization things and ends with different daemon-configs) ...
[19:11] <Arby> crimsun: fire away, what do you need me to try
[19:11] <crimsun> Arby: ok, so according to that output, the daemon's already running.  Please pastebin the output from `paplay -v /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[19:12] <uberpsyx> pici, yer, refering to .so files
[19:12] <Pici> uberpsyx: Is this an upgrade/
[19:12] <uberpsyx> pici, different depending on the app im opening
[19:12] <uberpsyx> pici, yer
[19:12] <aquo> proq: normally i install with debootstrap ... but if you install with debootstap and aptitude install ubuntu-desktop you don't get the same configuration as with installing with the live-cd
[19:12] <MTecknology> How hard is it to upgrade to 8.04 from cli?
[19:12] <proq> aquo: you mean, building ubuntu from scratch?
[19:12] <MTecknology> X always seems to freeze on me
[19:13] <mnemo> today I got an update of the "update-manager-core" itself but when I try to install this update it starts with the installation but then aborts saying that I actually don't have any updates after all? does anyone have this problem?
[19:13] <Pici> MTecknology: Should be easy, just by using sudo do-release-upgrade (or at least thats how it was from feisty to gutsy)
[19:13] <aquo> proq: not building, just intalling. debootstrap, than install ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-desktop ...
[19:13] <proq> aquo: that's true it does take a bit of work
[19:13] <MTecknology> Pici, ty
[19:13] <Pici> aquo: Perhaps there are jeos images available for Hardy?
[19:13] <aquo> but the result is not the same like installing with the live system.
[19:13] <proq> aquo: on the other hand the experience can save you from a jam later
[19:13] <DanaG> OOh, 73 updates.
[19:13] <DanaG> Will have to read changelogs later.
[19:14] <Pici> uberpsyx: Did you by chance use Automatix on your previous install?
[19:14] <Arby> crimsun: http://paste.stgraber.org/2703
[19:14] <uberpsyx> pici, nope
[19:14] <DanaG> I don't install updates until I've read the changelogs.
[19:14] <axion> btw ubuntu do-release-upgrad took a whole day
[19:14] <Pici> uberpsyx: Can you pastebin your sources.list file?
[19:14] <uberpsyx> pici, sure
[19:14] <axion> for me at least a whole day
[19:14] <aquo> axion: fetching the binarys or installing?
[19:14] <axion> both..
[19:15] <axion> it was like other os..
[19:15] <Ronald> So i take nobody cares about firefox-2 working properly with plugins ?
[19:15] <axion> upgrading and re-upgrading
[19:15] <aquo> axion: it is no problem to first fetch all the binaries and then update faster.
[19:15] <crimsun> Ronald: what's the issue?
[19:16] <crimsun> Arby: `pgrep -x pulseaudio'
[19:16] <Ronald> ff-2 doesn't use any plugins. flash is mentiond as the only one in about:plugins, and even that doesn't work
[19:16] <uberpsyx> pici, ah, for some reason firefox wont connect to any web pages ¬_¬
[19:16] <axion> it did several upgrades of the same package
[19:16] <crimsun> Ronald: what do you mean "it doesn't work"?
[19:16] <crimsun> Ronald: inaudible audio?  jerky video?  [..]
[19:16] <Ronald> not listen, not enabled
[19:17] <Ronald> ff2 keeps popping plugin not installed prompts
[19:17] <Ronald> tries to install it trough the nifty interface. which obviously fails cus the packages are installed
[19:17] <crimsun> Ronald: what path is used for the Flash plugin according to about:plugins?
[19:17] <Pici> uberpsyx: Does apt complain about poorly configured packages or anything?
[19:17] <Arby> crimsun: two results 7718 and 8030
[19:18] <uberpsyx> pici, no, nothing, its really random
[19:18] <crimsun> Arby: pastebin `ps auxw|grep pulseaudio'
[19:18] <uberpsyx> pici, im more worried about the fact firefox isnt getting any web pages other than the router im connected to :9
[19:18] <axion> the integrated upgrade attachment of ff 3.0b5 won't work when installing java
[19:19] <Arby> aargh, where's the pipe on a us keyboard
[19:19] <axion> I mean the ubuntu installer that firefox uses doesn't work correctly.. whe installing sun-java-6
[19:19] <Arby> liveCD has gone to a us keyboard
[19:19] <DanaG> Pipe is on backslash.
[19:19] <axion> Arby, do you have a large or a small backspace key ?
[19:20] <Arby> large
[19:20] <Arby> shift +\ gives me >
[19:20] <DanaG> Odd.
[19:20] <Arby> yes
[19:20] <Arby> very
[19:20] <axion> with small backspace to the left of the backspace, with large backspace, underneath the backspace key
[19:20] <DanaG> I've only ever used US and US International.
[19:21] <DanaG> ... and Sun Type6, which is a beast of its own, simply in key locations, not in software layout.
[19:21] <user0423> i did all the kde icons for the gnome menus... is there some way i can save the menu file so i dont have to ever do it again? or maybe i could send it to somebody... it took like 3 hours
[19:21] <Arby> found it shift + #
[19:22] <crimsun> Arby: well, the output is just needed for confirmation, but you can `pkill pulseaudio'
[19:22] <crimsun> Arby: next, pastebin `pulseaudio -vv'
[19:23] <DanaG> # is a separate key?  Odd.
[19:23] <axion> and with a large backspace key the us layout id in between the enter and the backspace key..
[19:24] <Arby> crimsun: http://paste.stgraber.org/2706 and http://paste.stgraber.org/2708
[19:24] <axion> the # key is non capitalised on certain international keyboard
[19:24] <Ronald> crimsun: flash started to work, but i don't need flash for my dayjob ;P Java is the clue... compare http://www.hummelink.net/Screenshot-About%20Plug-ins%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png and http://www.hummelink.net/Screenshot-About%20Plugins%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox%203%20Beta%205.png
[19:24] <Arby> actually it's to the left of enter on this laptop, however I digress
[19:25] <axion> depends on the shape of the enter key..
[19:25] <axion> if you have a l-shaped enter key and a small backspace key, it's next to the backspace key..
[19:25] <Baby_Shambl3s> Is my  SiS  661/741/760 PCI/VGA card compatible with compiz/beryl if not what other options are available to me "excl. buying new card"?
[19:26] <_ZeuZ_> Guys is there any performance drop after installing Qemu?
[19:27] <axion> if you have a horizontal barshaped with a long enter and backspace key.. in between the two..
[19:27] <axion> if you have a vertical elongated enterkey..  next to it
[19:27] <crimsun> Arby: you'll need to kill 8031 8030 7719 7718
[19:28] <axion> have to go to the movies..
[19:28] <axion> laters/
[19:29] <Arby> crimsun: all killed
[19:29] <mrtimdog> When connecting (with Nautilus) to other machines via sftp (which is used when you enter a location prefixed with ssh:), is there any way of hiding all of the vfs mount points from both the Nautilus browser and the desktop?
[19:29] <crimsun> Arby: now, as the ubuntu (live cd) user - NOT as root - pulseaudio -vv
[19:29] <_ZeuZ_> Guys is there any performance drop after installing Qemu?
[19:30] <Flare183> _ZeuZ_: There isn't supposed to be any.
[19:30] <Baby_Shambl3s> Is my  SiS  661/741/760 PCI/VGA card compatible with compiz/beryl if not what other options are available to me "excl. buying new card"?
[19:30] <Arby> crimsun: http://paste.stgraber.org/2711
[19:31] <_ZeuZ_> Flare183, well, I'll try... there isnt any glitch with AMD64 nor with x86_64 right?
[19:31] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: you can always disable desktop effects and thereby not use compiz at all
[19:31] <Flare183> _ZeuZ_: Not that I know of, but I would ask or google it before you try it.
[19:32] <crimsun> Arby: it's due to hal not exposing any ALSA or OSS devices, because it couldn't find any
[19:33] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: thats not the point at the moment i cnat use desktop effects, i want to know if the card is compatible if so how would i make it work if not what other options do i have?
[19:33] <crimsun> Arby: `lspci -nv|grep -A 040[13]'
[19:34] <Arby> crimsun: grep invalid context length argument
[19:34] <crimsun> sorry, -A1
[19:34] <crimsun> Arby: ^
[19:35] <Arby> crimsun: no output
[19:35] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: if you disable desktop effects compiz is not started at all (at I think that's how it works)
[19:35] <crimsun> Arby: and which type of sound card is available to the vm?
[19:36] <Arby> crimsun: this lappy has 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[19:36] <hwilde> on boot it says   * Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.loca)   [fail]                    how can I find out why?
[19:36] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: I cnat use desktop effects and dont know why thats why im aksing about my card if i turn it on nothing happens it just turns itself off
[19:36] <crimsun> Arby: right, that info is not exposed to the vm at all.
[19:37] <crimsun> Arby: is the vm configured to make an audio device(s) available?
[19:37]  * Arby checks
[19:37] <crimsun> Arby: that is, the host's audio device
[19:37] <Arby> apparently not, but I don't know why
[19:37] <Arby> I'd expect that to be on by default
[19:37] <Arby> and I didn't turn it off
[19:37] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: everytime i try desktop effects i get "Desktop effects could not be turned on" no other explanation so could you help me
[19:38] <crimsun> ok, well, that's the root of the bug you reported in -testing
[19:38] <crimsun> Arby: ^
[19:38] <Arby> yes I realise that
[19:38] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: i had a problem where my gfx card was blacklisted by compiz for a while because the driver wasnt mature yet... is that case I got similar symptoms... for that case if was an if statement in the shell script /usr/bin/compiz which automatically exit:ed if a certain PCI ID was found
[19:38] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: maybe you can try to figure out how much of that shell script actually runs in your case
[19:38] <Arby> crimsun: I have had trouble getting sound on this laptop (Thinkpad R61i), are you aware of any known problems
[19:39] <crimsun> Arby: yeah, there are lots.  What's the host running?
[19:39] <Arby> kubuntu hardy
[19:39] <crimsun> Arby: does audio work in the host?
[19:39] <Arby> no I never could get it to work
[19:39] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: if i knew how or where to start figuring it out I wouldnt be asking here :(, what i need is soemone to point me in the right direction as i dont know why I cnat use desktop effects
[19:40] <Arby> crimsun: if I play something in amarok it appears to play but I can't here anything
[19:40] <crimsun> Arby: download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and run it using bash.
[19:40] <Arby> I've dug into alsa as far as I'm able
[19:40] <Arby> oh I'll try that
[19:40] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: if you run "ps x | grep compiz" do you see a line printed containing "compiz.real" ??
[19:42] <Arby> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/993571
[19:43] <Arby> wish I knew about that script before
[19:43] <Arby> still know idea what's up
[19:43] <Arby> I've checked for muted channels and all the obvious things
[19:43] <Arby> s/know/no
[19:43] <Arby> alsa is black magic to me
[19:44] <crimsun> ah
[19:44] <crimsun> well, that's a shame.
[19:44] <joan_> what need I to do i order to get icons in the Desktop in Hardy?
[19:45] <afallenhope> is there a reason why my system jacks up after going on standy?
[19:45] <crimsun> Arby: sec, I need to look at hardy's lum source
[19:45] <Arby> ok
[19:45] <Pici> joan_: What icons?
[19:45] <Ronald> crimsun: more quite descriptive screenshots: http://www.hummelink.net/Screenshot.png http://www.hummelink.net/Screenshot-Plugin%20Finder%20Service.png (repeat)
[19:45] <Arand> anybody what the status is with Bug #192888, is the "proper" fix gonna make it into hardy?
[19:45] <dystopianray> afallenhope: what do you mean by 'jacks up'?
[19:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[19:45] <joan_> all, Pici
[19:45] <crimsun> Arand: it will not make it into the image released this week, no.
[19:45] <joan_> I can't see any icons of the stuff in Desktop, Pici
[19:46] <crimsun> Arand: i.e., get more people to test my bzr fix.
[19:46] <Pici> joan_: Running Gnome?
[19:46] <crimsun> Arand: then we possibly have a chance of getting it into the point release 3 months from now
[19:46] <joan_> Only the blue wallpaper. No, it's Kubuntu, Pici
[19:46] <Pici> joan_: Ah, KDE... I'm not sure, sorry.
[19:46] <Guthix> if i download and install the hardy rc can i update that through update manager when the actually official one comes out?
[19:46] <joan_> ok, thanx anyway
[19:46] <Pici> !final > Guthix (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[19:47] <Guthix> thx :-D
[19:47] <dystopianray> joan_: what icons do you want? home and trash and what not?
[19:47] <afallenhope> dystopianray: after in goes to "sleep" I can't recover the state
[19:47] <afallenhope> I have to press + hold the power button
[19:48] <Pici> joan_: You may be able to find someone to help in #kubuntu-kde4 though
[19:48] <joan_> dystopianray, I want icons for every thing in the Desktop folder, as usual
[19:48] <crimsun> Arby: please enable the modem in the bios.
[19:48] <dystopianray> joan_: i know how to do it but i've forgotten, give me a second
[19:48] <Arby> crimsun: hmm, I'll try. biab
[19:49] <dystopianray> joan_: cp /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/* ~/Desktop/
[19:50] <minimec> afallenhope: Try to google for "hibernate ubntu <your video card" maybe you find something
[19:50] <Arand> crimsun: Okay. What was that "bzr fix"" you were talking about?
[19:50] <thatGuy_> Pici: how long is the ban for?
[19:50] <HelloWorld1> hello, did anyone use remastersys before?
[19:51] <Pici> thatGuy_: Its a forward.
[19:51] <thatGuy_> it's a ban.  how long is it for?
[19:51] <Pici> thatGuy_: We can talk about it in #ubuntu-ops
[19:51] <thatGuy_> Jack_sparrow banned me
[19:51] <thatGuy_> ok
[19:51] <joan_> dystopianray, nothing happened. Zero icons in Desktop :(
[19:51] <mnemo> crimsun: if two computers have the exact same PCI ID for their audio devices does that mean they have the exact same soundcards then (I mean does it mean they have same hda chipset even etc)?
[19:52] <dystopianray> joan_: go to system settings -> desktop -> behaviour
[19:52] <dystopianray> joan_: make sure 'show icons on the desktop' is set
[19:52] <crimsun> mnemo: PCI IDs are useless, unless you mean the SSIDs.  Always use the SSIDs for PCI devs.
[19:53] <mnemo> crimsum: the SSID is the "1234:1234" numbers printed by "lspci -n" ?
[19:54] <rutter> hey, I'm using 8.04 and I'm having audio mixing problems
[19:55] <mnemo> rutter: describe your problem? what's not working?
[19:55] <Arby> crimsun: the modem is already enabled
[19:55]  * Arby <- confused
[19:55] <rutter> I can't run an application like banshee and then run a game or flash video and get audio
[19:56] <rutter> its always the first application which seems to get priority
[19:56] <Arand> Does the "recently closed tabs" in FF3 work for anybody else?
[19:56] <rutter> once I quit that application the audio is open for other applications to us
[19:56] <rutter> use*
[19:56] <rutter> its like I'm using OSS or something :P
[19:57] <pkunk> rutter: That's intentional for flash...
[19:57] <rutter> pkunk: ?
[19:57] <dystopianray> but flash uses alsa
[19:58] <aquo> which version of firefox is in the release candidate for hardy?
[19:58] <dystopianray> aquo: firefox 3 beta 5
[19:58] <rutter> aquo: beta 5
[19:58] <pkunk> rutter: you need libflashsupport for simutanious sounds because pulseaudio
[19:59] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: runnign command ps x | grep compiz gives me  6158 pts/4    S+     0:00 grep compiz
[19:59] <rutter> well what about other applications
[19:59] <aquo> ah, ok. nice, seems to be update ;)
[19:59] <rutter> pkunk: well what about other applications
[19:59] <pkunk> rutter: should be fine if they use pulse instead of alsa
[19:59] <rutter> pkunk: for example, there is a game that I play called Spring that has the same problem
[20:00] <v0lksman> hey all!  I can't seem to get a network printer setup.  Right at the end of the process (using Printers -> Add new from Admin menu) I get asked for a user/pass..I provide my own creds but it just keeps asking...is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?
[20:00] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: that means that compiz isnt even running so probably your system tries to start the shell script "/usr/bin/compiz" but for some reason this shell script exists before it ever gets to the point where it's suppose to start the ELF binary compiz.real (which is the actual compiz program)
[20:00] <rutter> pkunk: so I need to find out what they use
[20:00] <aquo> what is the minimal RAM requirement for hardy RC desktop live cd?
[20:00] <Arby> crimsun: modem already enabled and still no sound
[20:00] <rutter> pkunk: has pulse not been fully implemented yet or something?
[20:01] <crimsun> Arby: sec, I'm discussing an audio issue ATM
[20:01] <pkunk> rutter: yep. I don't know if hardy has pulse enable sdl availlable
[20:01] <Arby> ok sorry
[20:01] <daekdroom> pkunk: you need to install libsdl-pulseaudio to enable
[20:01] <rutter> pkunk: seems a bit late, its a RC not an alpha
[20:01] <rutter> pkunk: this should be final product standard
[20:01] <daekdroom> it'll uninstall libsdl-alsa and you'll be able to play games and listen to music XD
[20:01] <rutter> pkunk: :S
[20:02] <daekdroom> and really.
[20:02] <pkunk> rutter: mee too...
[20:02] <ether_c> I think there's also something like "libsdl-all"
[20:02] <ether_c> that worked for me
[20:02] <aquo> does the brainwash, aehm brainstorm site have it's own irc-channel?
[20:03] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: ive been looking around it seems the card wont run with compiz why no one knows but there must be a way to get at least some basic effets with it, still if you cna suggest something than i'll try it
[20:03] <minimec> rutter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio You could check, if pulseaudio is installed and configured correctly
[20:03] <maxb> What's the difference between do-release-upgrade and update-manager, other than one being GUI and the other console?
[20:03] <rutter> minimec: thanks
[20:03] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: what video card do you have?
[20:03] <maxb> Because do-release-upgrade aborts for me after calculating the upgrade, but update-manager seems happy to proceed
[20:04] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray:  [SiS] 661/741/760
[20:05] <mvo> maxb: do-release-upgrade runs in server mode by default (can be changed with --mode) - this means that it will e.g. not install missing meta-packages again for you
[20:05] <Ergo^> evenin
[20:05] <Ergo^> am i right you are tlking about messed upgrade ? :D
[20:05] <mvo> Ergo^: what happend?
[20:06] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: does this print anything? glxinfo | grep GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[20:06] <Ergo^> mvo - it seems 2 packages are missing synaptic gets 404 on them
[20:07] <Ergo^> apt_0.7.9ubuntu17_i386.deb, apt-utils_0.7.9ubuntu17_i386.deb
[20:07] <mnemo> maxB: update-manager showed updates for me this morning but when I click "Install" it aborted and refused to install anything... when I ran "sudo apt-get upgrade" which also tried to install the same available package (which was in fact a update-manager-core package) but that also didn't work because "apt-get upgrade" would just say that this package was "being kept" back... then I ran "sudo apt-get distr-upgrade" and everything worked fine... i think
[20:07] <mvo> Ergo^: have you tried to click reload and then upgrad eagain?
[20:07] <v0lksman> frig...user privleges...how do you make a second user that is as privileged as the user created during setup?
[20:07] <Ergo^> to be precise
[20:07] <Ergo^> mvo:  yes ive tried many times, and on 2 pc's
[20:07] <mvo> Ergo^: what mirror do you use?
[20:07] <dystopianray> v0lksman: make sure they are in all the same groups as the initial user
[20:08] <Ergo^> tp://pl.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:08] <v0lksman> so there is no script to do it?   just manually compare?
[20:08] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray:  http://pastebin.ca/993613
[20:08] <mvo> mnemo: that was most likely a transient issue when a new update-manager was released there was a time window when the archive was not in sync
[20:08] <maxb> mvo: But....     parser.add_option("--mode", dest="mode",default="desktop",
[20:08] <mvo> maxb: for do-releases-upgrade?
[20:08] <dystopianray> v0lksman: /etc/adduser.conf
[20:09] <maxb> mvo: That's from the hardy.tar.gz that do-release-upgrade downloaded for me
[20:09] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: i'm only seeing a blank white page off that site
[20:09] <aquo> when i install with debootstrap, ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-desktop, is there some way to add a user in the same way like the desktop-installer does?
[20:09] <JDahl> I am trying to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 using "update-manager -d" as outlined in the topic,  but I keep getting the error "current dist not found in meta-release file". Any alternative upgrade methods?
[20:09] <mvo> maxb: right, please check /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade, it has "  parser.add_option ("-m", "--mode", default="server","
[20:09] <aquo> and also do the same configuration like the installer?
[20:10] <v0lksman> dystopianray:  thanks!
[20:10] <mvo> JDahl: what does ~/.update-manager-core/meta-release-development look like for you?
[20:10] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone know how I would install the binary 'java' on hardy?
[20:10] <Ergo^> UnNaturalHigh: by synaptic ?
[20:11] <Ergo^> sun-java6-bin ?
[20:11] <JDahl> mvo, that file does not exist,  I only have meta-release
[20:11] <strtok> can someone take a look at this dpkg output? I'm not quite sure how to diagnose my problem -- i'm trying to install the fglrx drivers: http://rafb.net/p/TJU3Zl42.html
[20:11] <UnNaturalHigh> hmmm....it is installed
[20:11] <UnNaturalHigh> strange
[20:11] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray: o_0 huh? http://pastebin.ca/993613 there it is again
[20:11] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: it doesn't work, i only see a white page
[20:11] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: try a different pastebin
[20:12] <mvo> JDahl: hm, and you run update-manager -d without sudo (if you use sudo the file is in /var/lib/update-manager IIRC)
[20:12] <JDahl> mvo, actually I do use sudo
[20:13] <mvo> JDahl: could you please check if it works better without?
[20:13] <Arand> Does the "recently closed tabs" in FF3 work for anybody else?
[20:13] <daekdroom> yes
[20:14] <Ergo^> Arand: i dunno - but firebug started to function :D
[20:14] <mnemo> jdahl: I had a similar problem this morning, my regular pre-release hardy updates refuses to install... it fixed itself after I wrote "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the terminal though
[20:14] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray: well this should work  http://pastebin.com/d72db4f60
[20:15] <Arand> daekdroom: alright, then that's another bug to add to my pot...
[20:15] <JDahl> mvo, now it works, but I did two things.  I purged update-manager-core and reinstalled it,  and then I ran update-manager without sudo
[20:15] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: ok, so that's good
[20:15] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: it seems to have what is needed for compiz
[20:15] <mvo> JDahl: ok, I think the "without sudo" was the bit that fixed it (also it should work with sudo too :/
[20:16] <mvo> JDahl: please let us know how the upgrade goes
[20:17] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray: yup but it dont work why i have no clue, ts not working :/ stupid card it has everything so why wont it work and its not blacklisted
[20:17] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: probably has some flaw that prevents compiz from working
[20:18] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray: hmmm...? im about to give up unless you cna suggest something im going to revise
[20:18] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s: is this a mobile ati one?
[20:18] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: i'd suggest giving up, compiz is not worth it
[20:19] <daekdroom> It was a pain to me to get compiz working. It's not worth!
[20:19] <rutter> hey again, I installed pulseaudio as suggested and rebooted my PC as as per the instructions provided. It fixed most of my issues, but there is still a problem with a game of mine, however, now it doesn't get any audio
[20:20] <jiphex> Hi, just installed Hardy but I get "Failed to initialise HAL" when i boot, inside gnome.
[20:20] <daekdroom> jiphex: I've that same bug.
[20:20] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s:  have you tried "echo SKIP_CHECKS=yes > ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager" already?
[20:20] <daekdroom> Do you have a TV/Capture card?
[20:20] <osteenbergen> Does anyone also have a not working battery indicator (panel + acpi)? Mine reports empty battery but its must be atleast 50% full
[20:20] <jiphex> daekdroom: me?
[20:20] <daekdroom> yes.
[20:20] <jiphex> yeah I do
[20:21] <jiphex> compiz videomate thing
[20:21] <daekdroom> Hm. run lsmod | grep saa7134
[20:21] <daekdroom> just tell me if something shows up
[20:21] <jiphex> yes
[20:21] <jiphex> stuff
[20:21] <daekdroom> saa7134 module doesn't like kernel -16
[20:21] <jiphex> ah ok
[20:21] <daekdroom> That's a bug that was reported for a while.
[20:21] <jiphex> i'll remove the card then
[20:21] <Ktron> I was running Xgl with 7.10 to get Compiz-Fusion working, and after the upgrade its much choppier; do I still need to be running Xgl?
[20:21] <jiphex> since i don't use it
[20:22] <daekdroom> jiphex: unload the module if you do.
[20:22] <Ktron> I remember there was talk about Xorg eventually incorporating everything Xgl was necessary for
[20:22] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: nope havent tried that what does it do?
[20:22] <dystopianray> Ktron: what video card?
[20:22] <jiphex> how would one do that?
[20:22] <daekdroom> HAL control stuff like printing system too.
[20:22] <daekdroom> hm.. rmmod saa7134
[20:22] <daekdroom> saa7134-alsa too.
[20:22] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: that isnt a terminal command where do i use that?
[20:22] <jiphex> kk
[20:22] <jiphex> brb
[20:23] <Ktron> dystopianray, I want to say Radeon x1400? I can check for certain, but I'm using fglrx at the moment
[20:23] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s: overwrites all blacklist/whitelist settings and force it to try to start - if your card is not supported it will crash then (so be careful with it)
[20:23] <dystopianray> Ktron: xgl is faster than aiglx with fglrx
[20:23] <UnNaturalHigh> anyone here know how to get the java binary installed?
[20:23] <Prez00> For people in the know, what do you make of this guy's comments, I went to look at the bugs and they all seem pretty serious for average users to figure out: http://lwn.net/Articles/279111/#Comments
[20:24] <dystopianray> UnNaturalHigh: do you need a particular version of java?
[20:24] <Ktron> dystopianray, then what might have changed my performance? Is the new Xorg just slower with Xgl than the old one?
[20:24] <Prez00> I can pretty much "fix" them following instructions, but most people will not..
[20:24] <dethstar> why is it that one minute my screen resolution will be 1280x1024, and then the next it'll be 1024x768?
[20:24] <UnNaturalHigh> dystopianray, well we are supposed to use the latest from Sun
[20:25] <dethstar> now it's 1024x768 and it won't let me change it in the menu
[20:25] <UnNaturalHigh> dystopianray, I've install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk but still no java binary
[20:25] <Ktron> dystopianray, and should I go look at the ATI binary drivers again? do they work better with aiglx (or xgl for that matter) now?
[20:25] <zniavre> +9.
[20:25] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: nope that dont work i guess my card is just not supported #compiz channel just said so :(
[20:25] <dystopianray> Ktron: fglrx is the ati binary drivers
[20:25] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s: sorry for that :/
[20:25] <Ktron> dystopianray, sorry, my bad
[20:26] <dystopianray> UnNaturalHigh: try: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[20:26] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: np wasted too much time on this going to revise for finance exam :/
[20:26] <UnNaturalHigh> dystopianray, thank you!
[20:27] <dystopianray> UnNaturalHigh: do you just need to run java programs or are you programming in java as well?
[20:28] <jiphex> daekdroom: Fixed now I removed the card thanks
[20:28] <daekdroom> Np
[20:29] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s: good luck with that
[20:30] <Andycass1> If i install 8.04 RC, do i have to reinstall once the full comes out?
[20:30] <Pici> !final | Andycass1
[20:30] <Andycass1> mm?
[20:30] <daubers> hey all, I can't seem to access my virtual terminals (ctrl-alt-fX)
[20:30] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: thanx will need it
[20:31] <daubers> Can anyone shed any light on this (it's in hardy, but I don't know where to start looking)
[20:31] <Pici> Andycass1: Ack, just do your regular check for updates process and you'll be running the most current version
[20:31] <Andycass1> aah, thanks :)
[20:31] <ubotu> Andycass1: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[20:34] <dethstar> why is it now that I've installed the nvidia drivers... my screen resolution wont go above 1024x768?
[20:35] <dethstar> it went up to 1280x1024 before.
[20:36] <magnetron> !fixres | dethstar
[20:36] <ubotu> dethstar: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[20:36] <dethstar> I've restarted X.
[20:37] <ether_c> has anyone gotten mac spoofing to work with iwl3945 in hardy?   For some strange reason, I can change my mac address but the card just refuses to "work" after that. It doesn't do anything
[20:37] <ether_c> http://pastebin.com/f6160513
[20:38] <dystopianray> ether_c: i seem to recall that it is a known issue with the card
[20:39] <ether_c> dystopianray: ah, I thought it was a little weird..
[20:39] <dystopianray> ether_c: maybe try a less radical mac change, such as incrementing the last number
[20:39] <ether_c> hmm.. ok
[20:39] <ether_c> back in a bit
[20:45] <ether_c> dystopianray: I'm back
[20:45] <ether_c> you were right
[20:45] <ether_c> I changed it just a little
[20:45] <ether_c> and it worked this time
[20:46] <ether_c> but the connection is really messed up
[20:46] <dystopianray> macchanger has options to make smaller changes to the mac address
[20:46] <dystopianray> experiment with them a bit
[20:46] <dystopianray> ether_c: messed up in what way?
[20:46] <ether_c> "connected to <wireless network> at 6~
[20:46] <ether_c> and that ~ number keeps changing
[20:46] <ether_c> at least that's what it shows in wicd
[20:47] <rutter> hey, I'm trying to set up pulseaudio for work with my openal games. However, it doesn't seem to be working. I've created a ~/.openalrc and pasted (define devices '(sdl)), but it doesn't work.
[20:47] <ether_c> also, the router gave me a very different ip in comparison to the ones it normally gives
[20:47] <ether_c> but hey, at least it works
[20:47] <dystopianray> ether_c: how different of an ip?
[20:48] <ether_c> dystopianray: 1.111 when I normally get 1.101 or 1.102
[20:48] <ether_c> no big deal
[20:48] <ether_c> I'm gonna go play with it some more
[20:48] <ether_c> thanks for the help
[20:49] <dystopianray> ether_c: maybe you've got leases on those addresses from playing around with mac addresses
[20:49] <ether_c> dystopianray: probably
[20:53] <py3k-er> 2 days to go! ;)
[20:54] <dystopianray> 1 day according to ubuntu.com
[20:54] <py3k-er> Ubuntu 8.04.1 is planned for July 3rd
[20:54] <py3k-er> how do they know an update would be necessary?
[20:55] <dystopianray> if somehow there are no updates needed them i'm sure they'll delay it
[20:55] <gluer> py3k-er: coz its not ready in time
[20:55] <py3k-er> ready?
[20:56] <py3k-er> so this release is going to be unstable?
[20:56] <py3k-er> and would need an update some time in the summer
[20:56] <py3k-er> suspicious
[20:56] <py3k-er> i thought LTS includes the fact that this release is going to be very stable
[20:57] <darthanubis> lol
[20:57] <py3k-er> :)
[20:57] <darthanubis> nowhere is that even implied
[20:57] <dystopianray> LTS just means that it's going to be supported for longer than other releases
[20:57] <dystopianray> not that it is more stable
[20:57] <bbernie> anyone here successfully get the juniper networks vpn client working under 8.04
[20:57] <darthanubis> basically
[20:58] <darthanubis> !vpn
[20:58] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[20:58] <py3k-er> i think i dug a text saying that LTS releases are very stable
[20:58] <gluer> py3k-er: I just had this image in my mind of all these coders locked in a basement! sweating, biting nails, furiously trying to get everything ready by the 24th LOL
[20:58] <bbernie> its a shared library issue
[20:58] <py3k-er> not sure where exactly was i foolin' around :)
[20:58] <darthanubis> !sense | py3k-er
[20:58] <ubotu> py3k-er: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[20:58] <stefg> I've got a brand new box, and set up my video partition as soft-raid0 on xfs. hdparm -Tt tells me ~120 MB/s , but if i copy a file from another disk i just get around 14 MB/s :(  . (core2 duo e 8200, gigabyte motherboard, latest hardy kernel) Anyone can tell me where to look to track down the issue ?
[20:59] <py3k-er> gluer lol
[20:59] <py3k-er> howdy partner ;)
[20:59] <PedanticSteve> is there a way I can find out the version of the "atl1" Ethernet driver included in teh Hardy kernel?
[21:00] <PedanticSteve> (without downloading Hardy to find out)
[21:00] <gluer> py3k-er: stuck in a pressure cooker
[21:01] <gluer> lol
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> PedanticSteve: it will be the one shipped with the 2.6.24 kernel
[21:02] <dystopianray> stefg: is the other disk connected to the same controller?
[21:02] <dystopianray> stefg: what does hdparm say about the other drive's speed?
[21:02] <PedanticSteve> nosrednaekim: ok, let me ask another way then... how can I find out what version of a drive is shipped with the 2.6.24 kernel
[21:02] <rutter> hey I'm having trouble getting my openal applications to work with pulse audio
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> PedanticSteve: excellent question....and... I don't know :) maybe ask in #linux
[21:03] <PedanticSteve> thanks
[21:04] <stefg> dystopianray: the other drive is my old pata drive, now in a quick-change tray on the IDE port of the board. i know it can do 60 MB/s
[21:04] <stefg> but lemme check ...
[21:05] <stefg> yup ... hdparm tells me 60 MB/s for the pata drive
[21:09] <dystopianray> stefg: what if you copy from the pata drive to itself? and from the soft-raid filesystem to itself?
[21:09] <stefg> let's see
[21:10] <fevel> I have a very bad sound after upgrading to beta
[21:10] <fevel> anyone else have sound issues?
[21:10] <darthanubis> !sound
[21:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[21:12] <stefg> dystopianray: 50 MB/s on copy xfs-soft-raid0 to itself (give all the head movement necessary that seems reasonable)
[21:14] <dystopianray> stefg: and the pata drive?
[21:14] <dystopianray> stefg: also try copying from the raid to the pata drive
[21:15] <stefg> dystopianray: ahh.... the pata is the bottleneck .. copying some iso to itself it just does 11 MB..
[21:15] <dystopianray> stefg: what filesystem is it?
[21:15] <stefg> dystopianray: the old pata had ext3 (untuned), while the new raid0 is xfs (as said)
[21:17] <fevel> sound is noisy and corrupt
[21:17] <dystopianray> stefg: is dma enabled for the pata drive?
[21:17] <Pelo> good afternoon folks
[21:18] <stefg> dystopianray: libata used... so no hdparm -d1 possible. but i think i got a starting point now, thanks for the input. i know where to look now
[21:19] <Pelo> If I'd like to do my bit by seeding the torrent for the official i381 hardy dvd  , would I have to wait for the official release on thursday or do would I get it ahead of time ? anyone knows
[21:19] <ryancr> I am attempting to install the hardy heron RC, but its telling me I have 'no devices' to install it to, I even tryed gparted on the live cd, same thing.
[21:19] <Pelo> ryancr, sata hdd ?
[21:19] <ryancr> I know I have a device to install to as I have a working version of gutsy on it
[21:19] <ryancr> yes
[21:20] <Pelo> ryancr, check in the forum some sata drives seem to be difficult altho i have never experienced it myself
[21:20] <Pelo> !sata
[21:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:20] <ryancr> Pelo, ok I had the same problem with the beta, was hoping the rc would fix it ;)
[21:21] <Pelo> ryancr, did you also have the same issue with previous releases ?
[21:21] <Pelo> you should have
[21:21] <starscalling> RAWR
[21:22]  * Pelo throws some raw meat at starscalling
[21:22] <ryancr> Pelo, no, I install gutsy on this machine without problems
[21:22] <Pelo> that's a bit odd
[21:22] <ryancr> it sure is
[21:22] <fevel> does anyone have a choppy sound?
[21:24]  * Pelo taps on his portable mp3 player
[21:24] <Pelo> fevel, nah, it's ok here
[21:24] <stefg> fevel: killall pulseaudio, set the players to use alsa directly. pilseaudio is a source of constant annoyance in the state it is in yet
[21:24] <fevel> I am using alsa
[21:24] <ryancr> Pelo, I see in dmesg>>  end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[21:25] <ryancr> I don't have a floppy drive though
[21:25] <stefg> pulseaudo makes flash crash, makes sound choppy and tends to hang....
[21:25] <ryancr> Pelo, and I can't find anyting about sda,sdb in dmesg
[21:25] <Pelo> ryancr, I'm not the one to tell about this, I'm useless with hardware issues
[21:25] <fevel> how can i check if using pulse audio?
[21:25] <ryancr> Pelo, ok, I'll just talk out loud here and see if anyone answers... ;)
[21:26] <fevel> it says (alsa mixer) on volume ontrol
[21:26] <Pelo> ryancr, wasn'T there something in the forum about going in the bios and turning off dma during the installation ?
[21:26] <Pelo> fevel, menu > system > prefs < sound
[21:26] <ryancr> Pelo, hmm haven't found that one yet, but ill look into it, thanks
[21:27] <Pelo>  later folks
[21:28] <iMatter> Uhm DHCP doesnt work
[21:28] <iMatter> and because of that i cannot connect to internet
[21:28] <iMatter> dhclient dhcpd nor dhclient-script work...
[21:28] <iMatter> so i cant manually do it either..
[21:28] <iMatter> oh icanhas that patch didnt fix problem
[21:28] <iMatter> its me not getting an IP thats the problem
[21:29] <ichat> question- if i wanted to use hardy to set up a network,  equivalent to say a novel netware env or ms active dir.  -   what should i be looking for,
[21:31] <ichat> if i try to google it,  i realy only find a lot about  setting it up with samba - but i dont really desire a non- native network structure -  as if i wanted a ms active dir.  i wouldn't have atempting to switch to linux
[21:32] <gluer> ichat: i'm replacing my netware servers with ubuntu end of this year
[21:33] <whiteeagle> is there a way to update to hardy rc using the command line
[21:33] <whiteeagle> not using the update-manager, because that dialogue window just got freezed
[21:34] <whiteeagle> its white, and it cannot be close
[21:34] <whiteeagle> I closed it with force quit
[21:34] <whiteeagle> !upgrade
[21:34] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:35] <Mimi> xD it's released Thursday (right?) might as well wait for the real thing :D
[21:35] <ichat> gluer - could you explain a bit what to look for...
[21:35] <whiteeagle> opera warns me that this site https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes uses an outdated encryption method which is no longer classified as secure.
[21:36] <whiteeagle> I must continue with accept
[21:36] <jbroome> omg hax
[21:37] <whiteeagle> so, how to upgrade to rc with the command line
[21:37] <whiteeagle> *not* with the update-manager
[21:37] <dethstar> how about some flash for hardy?
[21:38] <dethstar> could someone point me inthe right direction?
[21:38] <Anon178> For Intrepid (or even Hardy), I reckon it would be a good idea if the forums were linked to in the Firefox bookmarks toolbar. When I first used Linux, I used to search on Google for "Linux acer aspire" or "Linux Nvidia drivers" and you'd be presented with messages from a mailing list archive with instructions for Red Hat 6.2. I think it would be great if users were pointed directly to the forums.
[21:38] <Anon178> dethstar: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:39] <dethstar> ty
[21:39] <whiteeagle> anyone???
[21:39] <Anon178> whiteeagle: there is one, i'll just have to find it
[21:39] <Odd-rationale> does hardy have a new gdm theme?
[21:39] <ichat> Anon178:  -  meaning as a search plugin or what
[21:40] <Mimi> Yes it does Odd
[21:40] <Odd-rationale> Mimi: cool?
[21:40] <Anon178> whiteeagle: enable the "dapper-proposed" repository   install the new "update-manager-core" package - dependencies include python-apt, python-gnupginterface and python2.4-apt.   run "do-release-upgrade -d" in a terminal window   follow the steps on the terminal window
[21:40] <Anon178> whiteeagle: those were from the release notes for the Hardy Heron Beta
[21:41] <whiteeagle> dapper-proposed??
[21:41] <Anon178> echat: Just a link in the bookmarks toolbar - alongside "Getting Started" and "Latest Headlines".
[21:41]  * Lifeisfunny wanders over to the greeters table, grabs a name tag and with magic-marker in hand, writes his name in .......... "there!"
[21:41] <whiteeagle> I am upgrading from gutsy
[21:41]  * Mimi draws kitteh face on funny's tag
[21:41] <whiteeagle> oh
[21:41] <whiteeagle> ok
[21:41] <Anon178> sorry - wrong section
[21:41] <whiteeagle> ok ok
[21:41] <Anon178> you need to do sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[21:42] <whiteeagle> ???
[21:42] <Lifeisfunny> NOW, WHERE"S THE HORS DUERVES  :)
[21:42] <Odd-rationale> since tranmission replaces gnome-bt-download, will an upgrade remove gnome-bt-download?
[21:43] <Anon178> go to Applications > Accessories > Terminal. Enter "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" (without the quotation marks) and press [Enter].
[21:43] <Anon178> All updates will be downloaded and installed.
[21:43] <strtok> Â/w 3
[21:43] <whiteeagle> that doesn't work Anon178
[21:43] <ichat> Anon178:  - why not a custom start page - something like custom google with some  search the forums and all links in there...
[21:44] <whiteeagle> I just copied an pasted
[21:44] <jbroome> sudo do isn't a command
[21:44] <whiteeagle> and it doesn't work
[21:44] <ichat> caurse if you want that you can allways set it up urself
[21:44] <whiteeagle> I am unable to get exclusive lock
[21:44] <jbroome> sudo update-manager -d
[21:44] <whiteeagle> and nothing is running in the background
[21:44] <jbroome> also !update
[21:44] <whiteeagle> jbroome: I don't want that, I already told you that
[21:44] <whiteeagle> I want it via the command line
[21:45] <_ZeuZ_> I need rt73 module, but I can't find it through Hardy repos... any solution that comes through your mind guys?
[21:45] <whiteeagle> because the dialogue frezees
[21:45] <Anon178> when it copied and pasted, did it copy the hyphens between the words. Try just running "sudo do-release-upgrade".
[21:45] <strtok> hello, anyone running hardy with a geforce 6600 LE? I'm wondering if anyone has had success with it
[21:45] <Anon178> it should then say no later release available.
[21:45] <Anon178> strtok: Have you tried installing the Nvidia drivers?
[21:45] <ichat> ZeuZ_ its a fairly easy autoconfig   - just downloade the lastest from  the  RTxx website
[21:45] <whiteeagle> ok
[21:46] <whiteeagle> it works now
[21:46] <whiteeagle> thanks Anon178
[21:46] <whiteeagle> sorry for being a noob
[21:46] <_ZeuZ_> ichat: I need the official (privative one) not the free one..
[21:46] <Anon178> no problem ;) - i've asked much more stupid questions in my time
[21:46] <whiteeagle> bye
[21:46] <whiteeagle> I'll let you know
[21:46] <whiteeagle> when i'll update
[21:47] <ichat> hmmm - never used thate here so i dont really familiarwith it :srry
[21:47] <Anon178> _ZeuZ_: I'm also unfamiliar with the hardware, but a Google search gave me these instructions: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RT73_Wireless
[21:50] <_ZeuZ_> Tried those allready
[21:52] <ichat> ZeuZ_ why do you 'need' the privated on (wpa2 ?)
[21:52] <talavis> kubuntu alternate rc and today's daily alternate just shows a blank screen after choosing check cd or install, any ideas what to do?
[21:53] <_ZeuZ_> ichat: That, and that the free one is unstable here... dunno why, but tried on my debian box, with those, and worked perfectly fine.
[21:55] <_ZeuZ_> is there any way to download a precompiled one?
[21:55] <happytiger> Any chance the iwl3945 and wpa2 enterprise will start to work any time soon?
[21:55] <ichat> hmm, hard to say what that couldn't cuze that machine is the only one i havn't switcht yet... but dont Ralink  offer  autogen packages anymore
[21:56] <ichat> zuez - not sure hav'nt seen ubuntu packages for it either (yet) - but im quite sure that they'll get here soon enouth... -
[21:57] <lord_alan> I have found a problem installing Hardy beta (and previous Alphas) on a Clevo M670SU
[21:57] <ichat> still afraid that you might need to  do it manually  f t t b
[21:58] <llama_> Hi
[21:58] <llama_> Does anyone know how I add my MP3 player/phone to linux so I can add songs
[21:58] <llama_> I am running 8.04 Rc..
[21:59] <_ZeuZ_> llama_ depends on the phone
[21:59] <llama_> its a sony
[21:59] <_ZeuZ_> that does not bring too much info to the table xD
[22:00] <kahrytan> Why did they remove custom Visual Effects from Appearance applet?
[22:00] <_ZeuZ_> llama_ you could try cobex, gammu
[22:00] <zboy417> hi everyone...i have Ubuntu 8.04 and am wondering if the update in update manager for the GeForce2 MX/MX 400 fixed the bug
[22:00] <zboy417> the bug that won't let it go above 800x600
[22:01] <jbroome> !resolution | zboy417
[22:01] <ubotu> zboy417: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[22:02] <mojo> My keyboard's number pad is not working in X on hardy RC, amd64.  Works fine in a VT but not an x term.  No math or numpad-enter keys either.  How do I change the kbd settings for X, and where can I find a good way to pick the right one (my kbd is HP SK-2505)
[22:02] <zboy417> my friend contacted Ubuntu and they said that my Video card had a driver bug on 8.04
[22:02] <redwhitewaldo> how do i get skype on 8.04?
[22:02] <redwhitewaldo> please advise soon
[22:03] <Gnine> jockey-gtk wasnt displaying/allowing restricted drivers. updating grub to use latest kernel version fixed it. grub still is not auto-updating here.
[22:03] <_ZeuZ_> apt-get install skype
[22:03] <_ZeuZ_> Gnine: update-grub
[22:03] <redwhitewaldo> _ZeuZ_: it's not there
[22:03] <redwhitewaldo> _ZeuZ_: oh, it is
[22:03] <redwhitewaldo> thanks
[22:04] <_ZeuZ_> lol, no problem ^^
[22:04] <zboy417> thanks...i tried update-grub and the update
[22:04] <zboy417> and am now going to reboot
[22:04] <mojo> !resolution | mojo
[22:04] <cyclonut> anyone else amazed at how frequently flash video crashes firefox?
[22:05] <cyclonut> cause I am
[22:05] <Gnine> thanks for suggestion, _ZeuZ_
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... I'm using Flock for my flash
[22:05] <acidBURN> is evolution improved in 8.04 ? (much!)
[22:05] <cyclonut> nosrednaekim: flock eh? have not heard of it... how oes it work?
[22:05] <stefg> cyclonut: chances are that it's a pulseaudio issue... try 'killall pulseaudio' before starting firefox and check if you still get crashes
[22:06] <cyclonut> stefg: will try.
[22:06] <jbroome> acidBURN: i check it every time i update distros and haven't been impressed yet.  Thunderbird works great for me
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> cyclonut: its based on firefox 2, so very very well
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> cyclonut: its really justa  bunch of plugins on top of firefox 2
[22:06] <acidBURN> great, but can you remove evolution with out breaking gnome
[22:06] <cyclonut> ah, I see
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> Hey uh..
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> I plugged in my phone
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> and it crashed
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> linux
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> everything froze..
[22:07] <kahrytan> Linux didnt crash
[22:07] <mojo> cyclonut::  seems better to me since upgrading, but i got the latest flash relase and the 3.0b5 not too far apart so i can't say which has helped
[22:07] <zboy417> ok...that update didn't work
[22:07] <Jaymac> i installed network-manager 0.7 a while back - what is the easiest way to downgrade? plug in with ethernet and remove network manager completely? then remove the ppa repo and reinstall it?
[22:07] <zboy417> its still 800x600
[22:08] <Gnine> evolution is acting slow but havent had any crashes.
[22:08] <iMatter> Ive traced my problem...
[22:08] <iMatter> its all around dhcp3-server
[22:08] <cyclonut> stefg: wow, 5 videos later and no crashes after killing pulseaudio!
[22:08] <iMatter> it fails to start
[22:08] <cyclonut> stefg: I still get sound too, which seems weird to me
[22:08] <iMatter> i even tried purging dhcp3-server
[22:08] <zboy417> why would my video card not be working correctly?
[22:08] <iMatter> when it tried stopping it it failed...
[22:08] <iMatter> then afterwards re-installed a backup i cpied before i purged
[22:09] <kahrytan> cyclonut-> thats cuz it wasnt default last release and you probably reverted back
[22:09] <iMatter> and it still failed to start/stop
[22:09] <Gnine> pulseaudio has not given me any problems. you might have hardware/driver issues
[22:09] <iMatter> HELLO?
[22:09] <mojo> zboy417::  did you search ubuntu forums about it or the launchpad to find the bug you're talking about?  if the bug was fixed, it should be marked as such
[22:09] <cyclonut> interesting...
[22:09] <kahrytan> Gnine->  upgrade or clean install?
[22:10] <zboy417> ok...i'll look
[22:10] <Gnine> clean
[22:10] <zboy417> what's the code for looking up system hardware?
[22:10] <zboy417> in terminal
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> zboy417: lshw
[22:10] <zboy417> thanks
[22:10] <kahrytan> cyclonut->  did you upgrade or clean?
[22:10] <cyclonut> kahrytan: clean.
[22:10] <Auctionedllama> Hey uh.. anyone know how I can lower the volume of linux sounds..? Because anything on a website is really low but all the linux sounds are super loud so its really hard to do much online with videos if you get what I mean..
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> Auctionedllama: probably some pulseaudio setting
[22:11] <Gnine> zboy417: you should try running the 'fix xorg' option via recovery mode menu...
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> install the pulse audio mixer
[22:11] <stefg> cyclonut: pulseaudio is just a sond-/server/ that means it does mixing and routing for several applications. *My* fix is to sudo apt-get instal aoss and set FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" in /etc/firefox-3.0/firefoxrc
[22:11] <kahrytan> cyclonut, Gnine  that blows me theory out the water. Pulseaudio still seems to give most trouble with upgraders then clean
[22:12] <Gnine> perhaps.. i actually have had no issues even on upgraded systems
[22:12] <cyclonut> kahrytan: upgrading has always been futile for me
[22:12] <cyclonut> stefg: neat, I'll do that
[22:12] <kahrytan> cyclonut->  hence why i do clean..
[22:12] <Gnine> but i'll second your observation, kahrytan
[22:13] <iMatter> Could anyone help me...
[22:13] <Auctionedllama> nosrednaekm, where can I edit those?
[22:13] <kahrytan> in general, people do tend have the most trouble upgrading then with clean installs.
[22:14] <cyclonut> stefg: got a more accurate package name for aoss?
[22:14] <stefg> !info aoss
[22:14] <ubotu> Package aoss does not exist in hardy
[22:14] <kahrytan> stefg->  You changed sound server that firefox uses didn't you?
[22:14] <stefg> !info alsa-oss
[22:14] <ubotu> alsa-oss (source: alsa-oss): ALSA wrapper for OSS applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.15-1 (hardy), package size 51 kB, installed size 216 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc)
[22:14] <Gnine> zing
[22:14] <Zambezi> iMatter: Patient is a must if you're going to run Hardy.
[22:14] <cyclonut> stefg: nm, aoss
[22:14] <cyclonut> stefg: err, alsa-oss
[22:15] <iMatter> Zambezi, Well i know but i havent had internet for about 3-4 days thats alot of money lost
[22:15] <cyclonut> iMatter: you seem to have it now! :)
[22:15] <cyclonut> so congrats
[22:15] <iMatter> Zambezi, when an OS is your main operating system with everything and the kitchen sink in it
[22:15] <iMatter> and then something stops working..
[22:15] <iMatter> cyclonut, im not in Ubuntu..
[22:16] <acidBURN> Q. is the new version 8.04 using less memory than 7.10 or more ?
[22:16] <Gnine> new kernel is more effective imho
[22:16] <Zambezi> iMatter: But then you shouldn't run Hardy. It's not for production.
[22:16] <stefg> kahrytan: considering that flash is still tailored towards OSS i tell firefox to use OSS, and install alsa's oss compatibility layer. somewhat ugly, but a temporary workaround until the bug is fixed
[22:16] <iMatter> Zambezi, Internet Apps
[22:16] <cyclonut> acidBURN: more
[22:16] <iMatter> Zambezi, thats all i really do internet related thing...
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> acidBURN: well, the KDE4 version will use less
[22:17] <Auctionedllama> wowzers.. how come when I rebooted it said I had 63 new updates to get.. but right before I checked and I had none.
[22:17] <kahrytan> stefg->  Sounds like a potential patch work around you got there.
[22:17] <acidBURN> yeah, but kde4 is still ways out
[22:17] <cyclonut> Auctionedllama: it probably was going on old updates when you checked, and actually hit the ser vers this thime
[22:17] <cyclonut> time*
[22:17] <cyclonut> (sorry, fingers fell asleep)
[22:17] <iMatter> Zambezi, well ive taken the time in ubuntu to trace my entire problem down to dhcp3-server not being able to start or stop
[22:17] <Gnine> then you did the wrong business decision.. why jeopardize that with beta software..
[22:17] <Auctionedllama> ok
[22:17] <Zambezi> iMatter: Stick to Gutsy or get used to Hardy.
[22:18] <Gnine> bleh
[22:18] <iMatter> Zambezi, i am all i need now is internet
[22:18] <GhotiPhud> okay, probably a dumb question, but weren't Broadcom 4306 chipsets supposed to be supported OTB in Hardy?
[22:18] <iMatter> i love hardy ;)
[22:18] <cyclonut> GhotiPhud: yes, they are not.
[22:18] <kahrytan> stefg-> you submitted the idea to community until fix is done?
[22:18] <GhotiPhud> darn
[22:18] <GhotiPhud> I just plugged one in and it sees it, but it isn't working
[22:18] <cyclonut> GhotiPhud: there is actually implementation for them, in  the form of ssb, unfortunately, ssb sucks.
[22:18] <GhotiPhud> do I still need to do the ndiswrapper thing?
[22:19] <cyclonut> GhotiPhud: thats what I use
[22:19] <cyclonut> GhotiPhud: ssb is nothing but trouble for me - granted, I havent tried it lately.
[22:19] <Gnine> if you turned on your puter and it didnt connect.. most likely you do, GhotiPhud
[22:19] <cyclonut> I'll be wiping & starting fresh when final comes out
[22:19] <GhotiPhud> how would you go about using ssb?
[22:20] <stefg> kahrytan: i remember having seen some threads on the forums already. google is your friend :-)
[22:20] <GhotiPhud> or is that just the default
[22:20] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhud, you need the b43fwcutter
[22:20] <GhotiPhud> ah
[22:20] <Gnine> !wireless
[22:20] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:20] <kahrytan> stefg->  yeah but does the bug report show it
[22:20] <GhotiPhud> didn't show up in restricted drivers this time
[22:20] <stefg> kahrytan: i got that idea from launchpad iirc
[22:21] <kahrytan> stefg->  oh cool
[22:21] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhud, just install it.. It will take care of everything
[22:21] <Gnine> sounds logical enuff, stefg
[22:21] <kahrytan> stefg->  but they will make it real patch
[22:21] <_ZeuZ_> if you did compile your kernel with it built-in, then you-ll have to restart..
[22:21] <GhotiPhud> okay
[22:21] <GhotiPhud> I'll try it out
[22:21] <GhotiPhud> thanks
[22:21] <_ZeuZ_> No problem
[22:21] <_ZeuZ_> Once you have installed it, do modprobe b43
[22:22] <stefg> kahrytan: depends on wether pulseaudio or flashplugin-nonfree is to blame. pulse can be fixed, flash cannot (at least not by ubuntu, just by adobe)
[22:22] <_ZeuZ_> and then iwconfig to see if it's allready up, if not, try ifconfig wlanX up
[22:22] <_ZeuZ_> Talking about Flash, when is it going to be a native 64bits version out there? :(
[22:23] <kahrytan> stefg-> fat chance adobe will do it anytime soon
[22:23] <Zambezi> _ZeuZ_: How much memory do you got?
[22:23] <_ZeuZ_> 1gb
[22:23] <jimmygoon> !forum
[22:23] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[22:23] <stefg> _ZeuZ_: write to adobe and complain ... flashplugin- *nonfree* ...
[22:23] <Zambezi> _ZeuZ_: Then I don't see why you should use 64 bit.
[22:23] <jimmygoon> :(
[22:23] <_ZeuZ_> though, I hate the performance loose on size modifications, and on full ledged window size
[22:24] <Gnine> #ubuntuforums.. right..
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> Zambezi, because of performance?
[22:24] <acidBURN> have they fix flash in firefox?
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> packages not adapted, are not indicator
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> and I compile all with apt-build
[22:24] <Zambezi> _ZeuZ_: Compare to few packages?
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> compare to all, I built my whole KDE, Xchat, and pretty much all I use myself
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> with 03 (agressive) enhacement
[22:25] <Auctionedllama> Hey, where can I get a converter that converts videos into 3gp?
[22:25] <kahrytan> stefg->  does ff2 carry the problem?
[22:25] <Auctionedllama> ?
[22:25] <_ZeuZ_> Auctionedllama, Try theora
[22:26] <_ZeuZ_> of fffdshow
[22:26] <_ZeuZ_> theora should work lovely
[22:26] <jbroome> try google
[22:26] <Auctionedllama> ok
[22:26] <Auctionedllama> uhm is theora in add/remove?
[22:26] <_ZeuZ_> you mean in the repos? I dunno, I use Debian, and they are on debianmultimedia xD
[22:27] <_ZeuZ_> I was testing Hardy, and thought I might be able to help..
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> Auctionedllama: should be installed by default
[22:27] <Auctionedllama> ya, I'm not seeing that
[22:27] <Ergo^> does anyone have problem with flash and no sound ?
[22:29] <_ZeuZ_> I repeat, browse for it in debianmultimedia
[22:29] <mojo> I am still stuck with my keboard problem... none of the GNOME kbd layout settings make any difference, evne though it was set for my keyboard (HP SK-2505 Internet Keyboard).  My NUM PAD works fine in a virtual terminal, but NOT in XWindows.  Eek!
[22:29] <_ZeuZ_> packages for Ubuntu/Kubuntu/*Insert whatever here*Ubuntu are all based on Debian
[22:29] <stefg> kahrytan: don't know. but since the main actors are flash and pulseaudio my guess would be that FF2 will crashh, too
[22:29] <Auctionedllama> ok
[22:30] <kahrytan> stefg->  let me test it ... i dont use ff3 due to google
[22:30] <_ZeuZ_> lol @ due to google
[22:30] <_ZeuZ_> I'm having a bad time with SQL Inject ME
[22:30] <_ZeuZ_> talking about that
[22:30] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_ so google debianmultimedia?
[22:30] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_-> But its true. I dont use ff3 because of google.
[22:30] <_ZeuZ_> Why's that?
[22:31] <_ZeuZ_> Last beta is pretty much stable even with Hotmail AJAX web apps
[22:31] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_->  Google extension support or lack there of.
[22:31] <GhotiPhu1> did the b43-fwcutter, but now I'm getting 1Mb/s
[22:31]  * stefg is soooo glad to get rid of gutsy
[22:31] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, it's and advice
[22:31] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, it's and advance
[22:31] <GhotiPhu1> ??
[22:31] <Ergo^> does anyone else have problem with flash and no sound at all with flash movies ?
[22:31] <_ZeuZ_> now check and paste here the output of iwconfig
[22:31] <Auctionedllama> ??
[22:31] <mojo> Okay, the num pad ALSO works in GDM (tried switch-user), so it's some GNOME thing then???
[22:31] <kahrytan> stefg->  Using Gutsy just proved you were gutsy enough to use Hardy.
[22:32] <GhotiPhu1>  Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=27 dBm
[22:32] <_ZeuZ_> paste all the output
[22:32] <mojo> _ZeuZ_::  use pastebin!
[22:32] <stefg> kahrytan: even hardy alpha 5 was already better than that dud round that gutsy represented
[22:32] <_ZeuZ_> He should allready know that
[22:33] <_ZeuZ_> mojo: He should allready know that
[22:33] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_-> ->  Google Sync isnt avail for FF3. And I use it to keep bookmarks insync between dual boots. p.s I will only google based syncs.
[22:33] <mojo> gotcha _ZeuZ_
[22:33] <GhotiPhu1> haha, I knew that
[22:33] <XceII> After using sound for 10 mins, it breaks till i re-boot, is there a work around?
[22:33] <GhotiPhu1> that's why I didn't want to paste it al
[22:33] <Gnine> !pastebin
[22:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:33] <_ZeuZ_> if you don't we wont be able to make sure why is it that way, example: bad signal, high signal noise, low signal strenght
[22:34] <_ZeuZ_> kahrytan, well, thingys to be corrected ;)
[22:34] <GhotiPhu1> http://pastebin.com/m25718c78
[22:34] <_ZeuZ_> though you can hack the xpi files to be into it
[22:34] <_ZeuZ_> I mean, to work around
[22:34] <mojo> some pastebin integration plugin for xchat would be nice :P
[22:34] <_ZeuZ_> mojo, there's allready one
[22:35] <mojo> re-he-ally?  that's flippin cool!
[22:35] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_ ok I downloaded debian multimedia, and instaleld.. now what?
[22:35] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_->  Just when will google developers fix it..
[22:35] <mojo> know it's name off hand?
[22:35] <_ZeuZ_> Auctionedllama, now update the repos, and you'll find it there
[22:35] <_ZeuZ_> not really mojo, but I've seen it
[22:35] <_ZeuZ_> my fellows on debian-es use it
[22:35] <mojo> i'll dig around for it later... first, my number pad must work or die
[22:35] <Auctionedllama> how do I update the repos lol?
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> kahrytan, meh, lazzy boy ;)
[22:36] <kahrytan> Im  running off flash videos on youtube on clean install and pulseaudio
[22:36] <mojo> (and it's playin dead pretty well)
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> sudo apt-get update
[22:36] <GhotiPhu1> does it look good ZueZ?
[22:36] <Auctionedllama> thanks mate
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, for a minut I forgot about you xD
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> well, the tx rate will not be higher because of not enough transmission in air at time
[22:36] <mojo> kahrytan::  me too, ONLY prob was clean install picked my mobo sound card, had to change pulse and gnome to the audigy
[22:37] <_ZeuZ_> try if you can browse confortably, and then we'll messure it
[22:37] <_ZeuZ_> ALSA FTL!
[22:37] <GhotiPhu1> it was moving alright when going to pastebin
[22:37] <seamus7> Hi .. after upgrading .. not sure it's the culprit .. but after upgrading, links I click in other programs don't automatically open firefox .. they do nothing ... any help?
[22:37]  * Gnine uses alsa, no issues
[22:37] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, then, there's no apparent problem
[22:37]  * _ZeuZ_ Loves ALSA... He's been using it since Red Hat 6
[22:38] <_ZeuZ_> Once again, TX/RX rate means virtually nothing, it's just a way to messure the link quality against signal strenght, and will reflect the maximum ammount of transmited data
[22:38] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_ i am looking in add/remove and can't find theora
[22:38] <_ZeuZ_> since this value is automatic
[22:38] <_ZeuZ_> it will change
[22:38] <mojo> am i correct that pulse still needs something like alsa for the actual output (other than net sinks)?
[22:38] <_ZeuZ_> mojo< I've read that too
[22:38] <kahrytan> mojo->  4th video .. still good.
[22:39] <mojo> pulse is way cool though as compared to esd
[22:39] <_ZeuZ_> Auctionedllama, problem there is that it's not recognizing you're distro, hence it's discargind it...
[22:39] <_ZeuZ_> Letme handle a DEB to you
[22:39] <mojo> bbiaf
[22:39] <Auctionedllama> ok
[22:39] <_ZeuZ_> still alsa is the most stable one
[22:39]  * mojo is away: Away
[22:39] <_ZeuZ_> not counting developed
[22:39] <jbroome> !away > mojo
[22:39] <Gnine> !theora
[22:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about theora - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:39] <Gnine> tough
[22:40] <kahrytan> Truth Happens .. i like the music in it
[22:40] <_ZeuZ_> ffmpeg2theora is the package you should look for, Auctionedllama
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> on google?
[22:40] <_ZeuZ_> nop, in your system repos
[22:40] <Gnine> and try !synaptic instead of add/remove
[22:41] <_ZeuZ_> (through synaptic or whatever)
[22:41] <Auctionedllama> k thanks mate
[22:41] <kahrytan> I'm on my fifth youtube video ..
[22:42] <_ZeuZ_> kahrytan, what are you testing? ;)
[22:42] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_->  see if firefox 2 crashes
[22:43] <GhotiPhu1> everything seems to work perfect with wireless now.  Thanks!
[22:43] <GhotiPhu1> much better than in Gutsy
[22:43] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, no problem, visit us regularily to keep up to dat
[22:43] <GhotiPhu1> except that in Gutsy it prompted you to install
[22:43] <_ZeuZ_> Well, that might have been a problem with jockey..
[22:43] <GhotiPhu1> are they going to add that back in with the release?
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> But, I do not know much about *ubuntus architecture for firmware so, I won't talk ;)
[22:44] <GhotiPhu1> ha, understood
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, they should I guess
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> and since this channel is logged, I think they'll read it
[22:45] <GhotiPhu1> hope so
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_, kay I got it, how do I convert vids now
[22:45] <GhotiPhu1> maybe I'll just come in every once in a while and suggest it
[22:45] <GhotiPhu1> with different names
[22:45] <GhotiPhu1> lol
[22:45] <_ZeuZ_> ffmpeg input.format output.new_format
[22:45] <jbroome> Auctionedllama: seriously?  You're not even going to poke at it first to check it out?
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> jbroome, I am on a tight schedule, and I can't even find it in apps
[22:46] <afallenhope> hey is there a way of just reinstalling ubuntu?
[22:46] <_ZeuZ_> Auctionedllama, Allready wrote you how to do that ;)
[22:46] <NW2190> Hi, I'm trying to install a program called memaid in Hardy and I get an error that, according to the bug report, is fixed by using a .debdiff file. How to use the .debfile though?
[22:46] <_ZeuZ_> patch it
[22:47] <_ZeuZ_> patch -p1 patchfile
[22:47] <Heston> hello, i was attempting a fresh install with a custom partition layout when I was told the install might fail because my root partition wasnt 2 gigs. Does this mean ubuntu will try to install everything in root, even if i created a seperate swap, /tmp, /var, /usr, and /home?