[07:01] <mattcen> Hi all. When I netboot an Ubuntu Lucid install, there's a huge (5 minute) delay before the "download installer components" prompt, and a tcpdump shows the installer talks to orobas.canonical.com at that point. Could that be the reason for the delay, and why is it communicating with that host even though I have my own mirror etc.?
[07:03] <infinity> mattcen: That's an archive.ubuntu.com machine, so I'd assume you might have misconfigured your local mirror setup if that's a preseed...
[07:04] <mattcen> Inspecting the packets closer, I see it's trying to get the Security package list from there. I can't imagine why that'd induce a 5 minute delay though.
[07:40] <mattcen> infinity: Thanks, I'll keep digging. I've already determined that I wasn't explicitly specifying to use my local mirror for security, so I've done that, and it looks like that's stopped some or all of the communication with canonical.com, but hasn't removed the delay. Still hunting
[09:34] <mpt> Why are announcements of new kernels posted to ubuntu-installer@?
[11:01] <ogra_> mpt, because the installer needs a manual version bump for the kernel it depends on
[11:05] <mpt> ah, ok
[13:05] <maxb> Is there an official answer for people who want to install desktop workstations with software RAID and are feeling upset at the current lack of installation media supporting that in Q and R ?
[14:03] <mpt> maxb, here's the design if anyone is interested in implementing it. http://goo.gl/fI6Ze
[14:05]  * mpt wonders if bug 220961 requires any extra UI
[14:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 220961 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] ubiquity crashes instead of notifying the user of not enough disk space" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220961


[00:17] <foot> Hello, I am having problems using my soundblaster on intrepid, if i test alsa ( speaker-test  -Dplug:front -c2 -D1) I get an error ALSA lib pcm.c:2196:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM 1
[00:18] <foot> The soundcard works good with ubuntu jaunty on another computer...
[00:29] <foot> I finf this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-remove-pulse-audio-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html/comment-page-1
[00:29] <foot> it says how to remove pulseaudio, but i have no Go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions in xubuntu
[01:47] <GSF1200S> anyone here running on dual screens?
[02:21] <craigbass1976> I want to fire up the terminal without using the menu.  xterm is NOT the terminal I want, but the one in the menu.  What's it called?
[04:26] <craigbass1976> I want to fire up the terminal without using the menu.  xterm is NOT the terminal I want, but the one in the menu.  What's it called?
[04:41] <craigbass1976> forget it, it was xfce4-terminal
[05:28] <Besogon> hello. I fond out Alacarte source yesterday. I'm complete noob in programming and in spite of this I think that Alacarte has written with Python. It programm consists of three small source file. See alacarte at http://alacarte.sourcearchive.com/
[05:28] <Besogon> Don't somebody know this language to resolve problem wih menu?
[06:15] <Balsaq> _Techie_i think i accidentally invented a new wireless hack
[06:17] <Balsaq> prolly not new...
[06:18] <Balsaq> if i have a password protected wirelss network and i set up a computer and get on without the password is that a hack?
[06:22] <nic1> hey i like to see the list of packages for my architecture, on de.debian.org, how can i see the list?
[06:23] <psycho_oreos> Balsaq, no
[06:23] <Balsaq> whew i hope not, that means others can do what i did
[06:24] <Balsaq> but why did it let me on without by dalgarned pword...
[06:24] <psycho_oreos> you must either have saved the password somewhere or you didn't apply the security setup
[06:25] <Balsaq> saved password? not to my knowledge...and didn't see the chance to do a security set up-did the original install with verizon and have a password is all i know
[06:26] <Balsaq> and it shows online as secure
[06:26] <Balsaq> when my wife comes home she has to use the password every time on the lapper
[06:27] <Balsaq> you see, i did not feel like running to my basement to get the numbers so i fiddles around and BANG i was on
[06:28] <Balsaq> w/o the ssn or the password or anything
[06:29] <Balsaq> they told me wep is toast in the wireless chat channel
[07:04] <nic1>  have Makefile.am and Makefile.in in my package, not able to run make or make clean without errors
[07:26] <preston> lovin karmic xubuntu on my eee 900hd
[07:28] <preston> cody-somerville, your doing a hell of a job man
[07:28] <Balsaq> brb...
[07:29] <preston> i tried ubuntu on my eee as well and liked the look and feel of xubunu better to be hones
[07:29] <preston> t
[07:36] <preston> chatty cathy
[08:32] <Balsaq> knome are you in here?
[08:44] <ioka> guys what is the command to start terminal
[08:47] <Sysi> xfce4-terminal
[08:47] <ioka> 10x
[09:08] <[BadStart]> Hello to everyone
[09:12] <[BadStart]> I'm a Debian user and yesterday I saw XUbuntu and I decided to try it but I encoutered a very strange boot situation. First: The CD boots but when I wish to try or install, the boot process hungs; Trying again I disabled the splash screen and the quiet mode and I saw a lot of error just before drivers were loaded (a lot of "tainted")
[09:13] <[BadStart]> Unluckily I've not the detailed log now but any suggestions will be appreciated
[09:15] <Balsaq> wow it slid right in for me....no clue....what kind of computer-specs
[09:16] <[BadStart]> Compaq Armada M700 256Mb RAM
[09:16] <Balsaq> oldie but a goodie huh
[09:16] <Balsaq> maybe a bad disc?
[09:16] <[BadStart]> yes, it's old but... Debian works :)
[09:16] <Balsaq> did you make it or order it?(the xubu disc)
[09:17] <[BadStart]> I did it but it works well booted on a VirtualBox of my office PC
[09:17] <Balsaq> hmmm...so it aint the puter and it aint the cd
[09:17] <[BadStart]> It seems something hardware related
[09:18] <Balsaq> but debian works on it you say
[09:18] <[BadStart]> yes
[09:18] <[BadStart]> I have the latest stable (lenny)
[09:19] <Balsaq> did you attempt a clean install
[09:19] <[BadStart]> But surely it works with an older kernel
[09:19] <[BadStart]> What do you mean with "clean install"?
[09:20] <[BadStart]> I tried to boot in "live mode" but it hungs anyway... :(
[09:20] <Balsaq> so it didnt even get to that option
[09:21] <Balsaq> hmmm..over my head i guess
[09:21] <[BadStart]> In very first time, I saw errors about ACPI driver (tainted) so I tried "acpi=off"...
[09:22] <[BadStart]> But similar erros appeared on comm and many other drivers :(
[09:22] <Balsaq> did you try the xubu disc in any other machine
[09:23] <[BadStart]> today evening I will try again... there is a way to save what the console shows?
[09:23] <Balsaq> dont know
[09:24] <Balsaq> if all is well with debian and you dont get errors id try that disc in another computer and see what happens
[09:25] <[BadStart]> thank you Balsaq, I will try later...
[09:25] <[BadStart]> But I've checked the MD5 sums when I did it
[09:25] <[BadStart]> but I will try on my VirtualBox
[09:25] <Balsaq> wish i could help i did mine off a cd that i ordered...ididnt burn it myself and it was easier to install than XP
[09:26] <Balsaq> did you create the cd yourself?
[09:26] <[BadStart]> I downloaded the iso
[09:26] <[BadStart]> and burned it
[09:26] <[BadStart]> yes
[09:27] <Balsaq> i have only tried off a pro made cd so that is why i asked and it really went in fast and easy
[09:27] <[BadStart]> the iso certainly works (I tried under my VirtualBox)
[09:27] <Balsaq> ok
[09:27] <[BadStart]> I will try the cd later
[09:27] <[BadStart]> thank you
[09:27] <Balsaq> try puuting it in a flsah drive and install from there and see if the puter likes that
[09:28] <Balsaq> flash*
[09:28] <Balsaq> wild idea...
[09:28] <Balsaq> but they do it
[09:28] <Balsaq> maybe the compaq and that cd dont get along
[09:31] <Balsaq> http://ubuntu.com/community/installation/FromUSBStick
[10:02] <jarnos> I have two Xfce sessions in the list in GDM in 9.10.
[10:11] <[BadStart]> Ok... I just tried the CD on a VirtualBox and it works... so... why the boot hangs on my laptop?! :s
[10:14] <XamDM> is ther a plugin for xfce that allows to choose the govenor for the cpu ???
[10:15] <bpb> badstart, where does it hang? after the install on the first boot? or when it tries to load X?
[10:16] <XamDM>  ialso noticed that xfmedia segfaults (im on amd64) anyoneelse the same problem ??
[10:17] <bpb> xamdm, did u even look on google?
[10:18] <bpb> first thing on the list when u type xfmedia is "seg fault on ubuntu"
[10:21] <XamDM> is ther a channel for xubuntu 9.10 beta ???
[10:22] <bpb> i dunno but thats what im running right now
[10:22] <bpb> yeah 1.40 super fast
[10:22] <bpb> haha
[10:23] <bpb> ubuntu is slow, but xubuntu runs quite nicely for me
[10:23] <XamDM> it realy rusn fast, im just searching for a usable xine-frontend on xubuntu (totem has no xine-backend anymore)
[10:25] <bpb> good luck ill be back tomorrow
[10:28] <[BadStart]> damn :s
[10:28] <[BadStart]> too late :)
[10:28] <ioka> if i remove the gnome desktop environment will i get rid of and free my memory.I have 512Mb ram and it is always 85 % is in use.
[10:28] <ioka> *of the lag
[10:29] <ioka> I installed XFCE4 and I do not see much impeovement
[10:33] <XamDM> ioka, im running xfce4 at the moment an have 356MB of the memory used
[10:35] <ioka> first I installed ubuntu.then I decided to see if I get the xubuntu environmental the performance will increase.So I did not uninstall the gnome.I just loged in using xfce4 .Are there any processes from gnome that might be also running?
[10:36] <XamDM> ioka, xfce launches some gnomestuff
[10:37] <XamDM> can bi disabled under xfce4-settings,session,advanced (hope so (il have to transalte[im german])
[10:37] <XamDM> ioka, i have the gnomestuff enabled so that might not be the problem (did you reboot after installing xfce ???)
[10:37] <ioka> no
[10:38] <ioka> just logged out
[10:38] <XamDM> ioka, maybe some deamons still running from gnome ??, i don't know just an idea
[10:39] <XamDM> i am running 64bit i dont know if this uses less memory
[10:39] <ioka> will uninstalling gnome help getting better speed?Mine is also 64bit
[10:40] <XamDM> ioka, i dont belive that but i don't know, i just did a fresh xubuntu-install
[10:40] <XamDM> but xubuntu uses much gnome-tools
[10:41] <ioka> java proccess is taking all of my cpu
[10:41] <ioka> I killed it it came up again
[10:42] <XamDM> openoffice running ?ß, ther had been an error some time ago
[10:42] <XamDM> i don't see a java process on my system
[10:42] <XamDM> i have to look after my child ....
[10:44] <XamDM> sun-java ore openjava ???
[10:47] <[BadStart]> Ok... XUbuntu hangs just before kernel modules installation... I don't know why... I just saw many (tainted) modules error dumps :(
[10:57] <ioka> sun java
[10:57] <ioka> I think I'll reboot to see if there will be any difference
[10:58] <ioka> btw i have 512 Mb ram but xubuntu reports only 493.6
[11:05] <XamDM> ioka, maybe shared with VGA ???
[11:08] <ioka> yes 64 MB is shared
[11:16] <ioka> is there a search option in the gui file browser xubuntu use?I can not find it
[11:17] <XamDM> rightclick on a folder
[11:17] <ioka> is there a way to search not only in the folder I click on it but also in the subfolders?
[11:21] <XamDM> it searches subfolders by default
[13:29] <[BadStart]> Hi again :)
[13:30] <[BadStart]> I'm still facing installation problem with xubuntu, if someone wish to help me I will appreciate it :)
[13:54] <XamDM> [BadStart], ok, what problems do you have, what kind of hardware do you use ??
[13:56] <[BadStart]> just a moment please
[13:58] <[BadStart]> Ok
[13:59] <[BadStart]> I'm trying to install XUbuntu 9.04 on a Compaq Armada M700 equiped with 256MB of RAM
[13:59] <[BadStart]> Searching on google I just found many other users facing off my problem that is: the boot process hung
[14:00] <[BadStart]> Maybe it's a kernel incompatibility matter :(
[14:01] <XamDM> did you try xubuntu 9.10 beta ??
[14:01] <[BadStart]> No
[14:01] <XamDM> its using a newer kernel (2.6.31)
[14:02] <XamDM> official release is 29.10. so its ok to install it
[14:03] <[BadStart]> Ok, I will download the iso
[14:03] <Sysi> [BadStart]: it don't boot to installation or after that?
[14:03] <XamDM> did you try to boot with noapic and noalsa (alsa=off not shure) ?
[14:03] <XamDM> its a livecd you can just checkout if it fits your needs
[14:03] <XamDM> look for the daily-livecd
[14:03] <[BadStart]> Ok, follows what I did yesterday:
[14:04] <[BadStart]> The XUbuntu "main menu" boots but I'm not able to install or try it in live mode
[14:04] <XamDM> [BadStart], sorry ill have to leave, my wife waits at work ..., il be bak in a few hors
[14:05] <[BadStart]> don't worry, thank you and have a nice day :)
[14:05] <XamDM> maybe it works with 9.10, otherwise pres f6 and disable apic and acpi
[14:05] <[BadStart]> I tried
[14:09] <ioka> woudl anyone be so kind please to tell me the command to move directories?
[14:09] <mccracken> !terminal
[14:13] <ioka> what is the name for default file manager in xubuntu and how can I start it as a root?
[14:14] <mccracken> "sudo thunar"
[14:14] <mccracken> !thunar
[14:17] <ioka> thanks
[14:33] <Shurik2k5> guys, i can't see panels in xfce4  after reboot
[14:33] <Shurik2k5> only desktop folder
[14:34] <likemindead> What version of Xubuntu?
[14:34] <Shurik2k5> 9.04
[14:34] <Sysi> al + f2 "xfce4-panel"
[14:34] <Sysi> *alt
[14:34] <Shurik2k5> in linux mint -> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[14:35] <Shurik2k5> it work, but panels not standart
[14:35] <Shurik2k5> only one panel in bottom
[14:35] <Sysi> make them as you like :)
[14:35] <Shurik2k5> i customize my panels long time
[14:35] <Shurik2k5> after reboot i can't see it
[14:36] <Shurik2k5> after startx xfce4-panels i see standart panel
[14:36] <Sysi> have you saved session?
[14:36] <Shurik2k5> ooooops
[14:36] <Shurik2k5> no
[14:37] <Shurik2k5> i think panels save automated
[14:37] <Sysi> well, that may solve it
[14:37] <Shurik2k5> a'm i right?
[14:37] <Sysi> i think they should save otherly also
[14:39] <Shurik2k5> by the way xubuntu work stable compared with gnome version
[14:42] <Shurik2k5> where can i find some tips to work with xubuntu?
[14:43] <Shurik2k5> optimization/perfomance etc.
[14:45] <Shurik2k5> Sysi thanks a lot!
[16:35] <Besogon> Hello. I have found alacarte source. It seems that alacarte has written with python and consists from 3 small files. http://alacarte.sourcearchive.com/ (There shouldn't be much different between Gnome menu and Xfce menu). May be someone can change situation in xfce with menu editor. I'm completely noob in programming.
[17:50] <Carlis10> Hi
[17:52] <dreewill_> hi
[17:55] <likemindead> !hi
[18:07] <dreewill_> does anyone know a link where i can see the changes made to xfce for xubuntu?
[18:10] <TheSheep> dreewill_: there are diffs on launchpad for every project
[18:14] <jarnos> I lost ability to suspend by closing lid in Karmic maybe due to partial upgrade. Which packages control this?
[18:14] <dreewill_> @TheSheep thx
[18:16] <chang-li> hi, i don't see xfce4-autostart-editor.
[18:24] <trkemist> anyone here can help me with a quick xwindows question using ATI config?
[18:26] <trkemist> I can't move widnows between screenns, but I can move my mouse?
[18:32] <chang-li> trkemist: are the windows max or resizable?
[20:37] <slow-motion> hi
[20:38] <likemindead> !hi
[20:55] <RiSkOo> hola
[20:55] <RiSkOo> alguien habla español?
[20:57] <craigbass1976> Is there a way to make a launcher for a jsp file up on my top bar?
[21:58] <slow-motion> n8
[22:30] <niros> hello
[22:30] <nikolam> hi
[22:31] <niros> did anyone occured issus with connecting Evolution to MS Exhcnage?
[22:31] <niros> evloution just crashes ... :)
[22:42] <nikolam> mmm I dont use evolution.. nor ms * anything
[22:42] <nikolam> anyone else to help niros ?
[22:44] <niros> nikolam: i'm working in an organization , i mostly need it for Appointments and those corparte bullsh1t :)
[22:45] <nikolam> I use thunderbird with lightning add-on for calendar
[22:45] <nikolam> i have my calendar published on .ics file on server
[22:46] <nikolam> and I import calendars from other sources
[22:46] <nikolam> but if your infastructure is based on that, then oh, i suppose
[22:46] <nikolam> niros, did you try different version of evolution?
[22:47] <nikolam> what version of xubuntu you use?
[22:49] <niros> how can i know that , i Can print you `uname` output
[22:49] <niros> ..
[22:53] <niros> i'm downloading the latest version ... :)
[23:03] <nikolam> niros use latest stable