[05:33] <Guest7196> Hi all, can someone help me with installing a driver for my wireless adaptor?
[05:34] <PaperSpeaker> Hi
[05:34] <PaperSpeaker> When I first install ubuntu, what should I download?
[05:34] <andrew_46> PaperSpeaker: What are your interests?
[05:35] <PaperSpeaker> The basics, like a load of drivers
[05:35] <PaperSpeaker> It's a package i remember downloading
[05:36] <andrew_46> PaperSpeaker: Multimedia stuff?
[05:36] <PaperSpeaker> Possibly
[05:37] <andrew_46> Many people install ubuntu-restricted-extras for better media playback?
[05:37] <PaperSpeaker> there
[05:37] <PaperSpeaker> restricted extras
[05:37] <andrew_46> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:38] <PaperSpeaker> My interests are PDF Creators off websites
[05:38] <PaperSpeaker> I was using PDF Creater for sites using Windows
[05:39] <PaperSpeaker> Web Surfing, PDF Creating off websites
[05:39] <andrew_46> PaperSpeaker: If you are using Firefox it will print to pdf but not very well sometimes :)
[05:39] <PaperSpeaker> right.
[05:40] <PaperSpeaker> I'm using PDf Creator now off windows but am not cool with Windows since it won't let me chat worth shit
[05:40] <andrew_46> PaperSpeaker: What are you using to chat with now?
[05:41] <PaperSpeaker> Pidgin IRC
[05:41] <andrew_46> Purple irc?
[05:41] <PaperSpeaker> Pidgin IRC
[05:41] <andrew_46> Odd, it calls itself 'Purple' !
[05:41] <PaperSpeaker> Purple Pidgin
[05:41] <andrew_46> oic
[05:42]  * andrew_46 is a huge irssi fan...
[05:43] <andrew_46> But windows has chat applications? I used mIRC in the old days
[05:43] <bioterror> becouse of libpurple
[05:43] <bioterror> IRCn for mIRC ;)
[05:44] <andrew_46> bioterror: Mind you irssi runs n windows as well
[05:50] <Unit193> So does Xchat
[05:52] <PaperSpeaker> Thanks andrew_46
[15:11] <ebbolicious> hi all, ive installed ubuntu for the first time today. I need to install some drivers and guides on the inet keep telling me to go to
[15:12] <ebbolicious> system > administration
[15:12] <ebbolicious> its supposed to be on the menu bar
[15:12] <ebbolicious> but cant find it
[15:12] <ebbolicious> looked everywhere heh
[15:12] <ebbolicious> must be missing something really obvious
[15:20] <coalwater> do u have a left bar?
[15:20] <coalwater> ebbolicious:
[15:20] <coalwater> which ubuntu did u install
[15:21] <ebbolicious> you mean the "taskbar"
[15:21] <ebbolicious> yes
[15:21] <ebbolicious> latest, from ubuntu
[15:21] <coalwater> then u are on unity
[15:21] <coalwater> press the ubuntu logo then write drivers
[15:21] <coalwater> for vga drivers
[15:22] <ebbolicious> yea, got the vga drivers working
[15:22] <coalwater> and you can use the update manager
[15:22] <coalwater> write update
[15:22] <coalwater> ull get update manager
[15:22] <coalwater> then do the check and install updates
[15:22] <ebbolicious> ok, cool, thanks
[15:23] <ebbolicious> so there is no system>admin on unity?
[15:23] <coalwater> the shutdown button > system settings
[15:25] <ebbolicious> found that already too heh, but i extended my display through hdmi to my television (cloned it)
[15:25] <ebbolicious> and now i want the sounds to play on the television
[15:25] <ebbolicious> instead of my laptop
[15:26] <ebbolicious> ive already looked in the output device in audio settings
[15:26] <ebbolicious> but i cant add any other devices
[15:26] <holstein> ebbolicious: try using pavucontrol, you can add that in the software center or whatever package manager you've been using
[15:27] <holstein> if its HDMI you are trying to use, i think that can be hit and miss, support wise
[15:27] <ebbolicious> yea, usin hdmi, ill have a look, thanks
[21:35] <iceman31ad> any one here live
[21:39] <philipballew> i do!
[21:39] <iceman31ad> lol
[21:41] <philipballew> whats up iceman31ad
[21:44] <philipballew> your wanting to upgrade?
[21:45] <iceman31ad> yes but im getting a error that basicly says i either have a pined file something else
[21:45] <iceman31ad> give me a min for the error message
[21:45] <philipballew> whats the error
[21:45] <philipballew> okay :)
[21:46] <iceman31ad> a little monster closed the window on me
[21:48] <iceman31ad>  good lord it taking a while
[21:51] <iceman31ad>  http://pastie.org/2982780
[21:51] <philipballew> whats the option c for there again?
[21:53] <iceman31ad> no clue at this time it was there on the wiki
[21:56] <iceman31ad> http://pastie.org/2982799
[21:56] <iceman31ad> ok  thats all the error messages
[21:57] <holstein> iceman31ad: just try the GUI method
[21:57] <iceman31ad> in process now
[21:58] <philipballew> yeah, that was what i was gonna say. the d is for if the release is still in beta or earlier
[22:02] <iceman31ad> ok that time it said i had help packages
[22:02] <iceman31ad> held excuse  me
[22:04] <iceman31ad> ( and the c option shows the changes window)
[22:07] <philipballew> hows it goin iceman31ad
[22:08] <iceman31ad> same error
[22:09] <iceman31ad> whats the cli command for fixing broken packages or unmet dependancys
[22:14] <zkriesse> wazzup everyone/ bodhi_zazen
[22:17] <iceman31ad> hi zkr
[22:17] <zkriesse> lol hi iceman31ad
[22:22] <iceman31ad> well this is starting to look like a fresh install


[23:45] <jose> pleia2: hey, is there any criteria for using -meeting-2 when -meeting is available?
[23:45] <jose> as far as I understood it was for schedule conflicts


[09:05] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[09:13] <nteodosio> Hey seb128, good morning and welcome back! (:
[09:16] <seb128> nteodosio, hey Nathan, thanks! How are you?
[09:17] <nteodosio> Great, thank you. And you, seb128?
[09:18] <seb128> I'm alright thanks, I had nice holidays and managed to stay away from work topics, which is nice but now I've quite some catching up to do :p
[09:21] <nteodosio> Haha I bet!
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[00:42] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning, do you have time today to look at sponsoring bug 1588913 or bug 1588938 ?
[01:15] <robert_ancell> jbicha, LGTM
[01:29] <robert_ancell> jbicha, uploaded
[01:39] <jbicha> robert_ancell: thanks! I think people have been pretty busy lately because the sponsoring queue had been filling up
[01:40] <robert_ancell> jbicha, always :) But always willing to respond to a direct request
[05:19] <hikiko> hi
[05:22] <TheMuso> Hey hikiko.
[05:23] <hikiko> Hi TheMuso
[05:23] <hikiko> How are you ?
[05:38] <TheMuso> hikiko: Not too bad thanks. Yourself?
[05:39] <hikiko> I'm fine, thanks
[06:17] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:22] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:23] <hikiko> hi seb128 pitti
[06:27] <qengho_> Hi.
[06:27] <hikiko> hi qengho_
[06:27] <hikiko> 02:27 am?
[06:28] <seb128> hey pitti hikiko qengho
[06:28] <qengho> I'm out-of-phase a bit. :)
[06:29] <seb128> pitti, still enjoying Greece?
[06:29] <hikiko> are you in greece pitti ?
[06:29] <hikiko> where?
[06:29] <pitti> yes, kernel/foundations/security sprint in Athens
[06:29] <pitti> I'm enjoying the sun during the morning run and on the roof terrace in the evening
[06:29] <hikiko> oh, I thought you came for holidays...
[06:29] <pitti> otherwise, haven't seen much yet
[06:30] <pitti> but I have the Saturday for some tourism
[06:30] <hikiko> :D
[08:03] <Laney>  ahoy
[08:04] <Laney> I was like "yay it's friday"
[08:04] <Laney> but then the inconvenient truth came along
[08:04] <didrocks> #fail :)
[08:04] <Laney> and slapped me upside the head
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney!
[08:04]  * Laney holds didrocks
[08:04] <Laney> we're going to be okay
[08:04] <Laney> hi seb128!
[08:05] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:05] <seb128> good!
[08:06] <Laney> So Wet
[08:06] <seb128> weather turned good yesterday evening, had fun at tennis it was quite sunny from 7pm to 8:30pm
[08:06] <seb128> too much sun at some point, couldn't see the ball well, but I'm not going to complain!
[08:06] <Laney> haha
[08:06] <Laney> lucky
[08:07] <seb128> it's still ok this morning but they forecast rain again from this afternoon/evening until sunday :-/
[08:07] <Laney> there was some flooding down the road from here yesterday
[08:08] <seb128> urg
[08:21] <Laney> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13475027_10154318709373750_1714004059012618914_o.jpg
[08:22] <sarnold> wow :/
[08:24] <Laney> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUAaLheUI-I&feature=youtu.be
[08:24] <Laney> that's the way I go to get to the climbing centre
[08:24] <Laney> good job yesterday was a day off :-)
[08:26] <Laney> looks like someone fixed tkamppeter's problem for him https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265683650/krb5_1.14.2+dfsg-1_1.14.2+dfsg-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[08:37] <seb128> thanks Steve!
[08:39] <willcooke> Laney, seb128 - further to the email I just sent, I've put a meeting in the calendar for tomorrow on spec. Let me know if it doesnt work
[08:39] <seb128> willcooke, I was just going to reply, I can make it work, I usually meet people for lunch from 12 to 13 but I can skip tomorrow
[08:41] <willcooke> seb128, we can probably get it finished by 12 if that helps?
[08:41] <willcooke> I have a thing at my kids school until 11 (your time) - so we could start at say 11:15 for 30 mins?
[08:41] <seb128> wfm
[08:42] <seb128> I can be a bit late to lunch
[08:42] <seb128> I mean if we go over the half an hour
[08:42] <seb128> it's not a strong commitement
[08:42] <seb128> but yeah, starting a bit earlier is nicer
[08:42] <seb128> deal for 9:15utc?
[08:43] <Laney> k, what evssssssssssssssssssss, i'm easy
[09:02] <hikiko> seb128, ping :) I have another ppa problem... when I upload my packages to my ppa unity fails to build for amd64 and compiz fails for both i386 and amd64 and I don't understand the problem from the buildlog... would you like to get a look when you have a moment?
[09:02] <seb128> hikiko, sorry, what ppa/can you share the logs url?
[09:03] <hikiko> https://launchpad.net/~hikiko/+archive/ubuntu/lowgfx?field.series_filter=xenial
[09:03] <hikiko> the ppa
[09:03] <hikiko> and the logs:
[09:03] <hikiko> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265701977/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.unity_7.5.0+16.10.20160606.1-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz unity on amd64
[09:03] <hikiko> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265713158/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.compiz_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>+16.10.20160606.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz compiz on amd64
[09:04] <hikiko> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265713412/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.compiz_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>+16.10.20160606.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz compiz on i386
[09:04] <hikiko> it's that ppa I am trying to create...
[09:04] <hikiko> also here are the steps I followed:
[09:05] <hikiko> https://ufuntu.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/creating-an-ubuntu-desktop-ppa/
[09:06] <Trevinho> morning
[09:06] <seb128> hikiko, seems like bugs in the package for compiz
[09:06] <seb128> and in tests (maybe flacky/needs retries?) for unity
[09:06] <seb128> Trevinho might know better/be able to help you
[09:06] <seb128> Trevinho, hey!
[09:07] <hikiko> hi Trevinho
[09:22] <Trevinho> hi hikiko
[09:22] <hikiko> Trevinho,
[09:22] <Trevinho> seb128, hikiko: there should a branch from muktupavels who fixed some tests
[09:23] <Trevinho> it has not merged though since it wasn't running in some archs
[09:23] <hikiko> I might disable all the tests for that ppa then
[09:24] <hikiko> since it's not official
[09:28] <seb128> Sweet5hark, if you don't touch anything, just go to prime,strip there and then "snapcraft prime" you should get a new snap without having to rebuild
[09:30] <Sweet5hark> seb128: backing up /snap right now.
[09:43] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k, let me know how that goes/if it works
[09:45] <Sweet5hark> seb128: still running, but looking good: usr/local/lib/libreoffice/program did shrink to 1/4th pre-squashing.
[09:45] <seb128> woot
[09:48] <Trevinho> hikiko: yeah, just use cmake flags properly in that case
[09:52] <muktupavels> Trevinho: I did not fix tests...
[09:52] <muktupavels> do you have time to review my merge proposals?
[09:52] <hikiko> i did fix a test
[09:52] <hikiko> but that was merged
[09:55] <Sweet5hark> seb128, willcooke: -rw-r--r-- 1 bjoern bjoern  287M Jun 16 11:50 libreoffice_<IP_ADDRESS>.beta2_amd64.snap
[10:28] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, is that the final size?
[10:28] <willcooke> like, it's done building
[10:29] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: yes, final size.
[10:29] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, O_o
[10:29] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, nicely done sir!
[10:30] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: note for a real release we still need l10n. So with that we will end up at ~500MB without symbols.
[10:30] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, ack
[10:30]  * Sweet5hark currently writes blogpost.
[10:30] <dpm_> Sweet5hark, good work!
[10:30] <dpm_> Sweet5hark, quick question: do translations work, though?
[10:30] <dpm_> I know they don't work in other snaps, but the LO one might be different
[10:31] <dpm_> so if they do not work, it might be worth leaving them out until we get snaps to support them
[10:43] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/a-third-of-a-libreoffice-snap/ <- blogpost with details, will show up on libreoffice.org/planet.documentfoundation.org soon.
[10:45] <dpm_> nice work Sweet5hark
[10:45] <willcooke> thank you Sweet5hark
[11:11] <Sweet5hark> dpm_: in general translations should work. Currently the build with l10n loops in snapcraft -- weird, dunno why. So no l10n included for now.
[11:11] <Sweet5hark> dpm_: expect 100 l10ns to add around 200MBs still.
[11:12] <Sweet5hark> dpm_: or half to double that.
[11:13] <dpm_> gotcha, thanks!
[11:39] <seb128> Sweet5hark, well done
[12:23] <mhall119> willcooke: ping, I've dug a bit more into the LO snap and there is something strange going on
[12:24] <willcooke> mhall119, the new one or the old one?
[12:24] <tsdgeos> is there anyone we can tell at google about google-talkplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb checksum being broken?
[12:24] <mhall119> willcooke: libreoffice_<IP_ADDRESS>.beta1-hotfix1_amd64.snap
[12:24] <mhall119> is there a newer one?
[12:25] <willcooke> mhall119, https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/libreoffice-5-2-0-beta2-as-a-snap-package/
[12:26] <mhall119> downloading now
[12:26] <willcooke> tsdgeos, I don't know anyone.  Maybe qengho?
[12:26] <mhall119> well that's much smaller, isn'tit
[12:26] <willcooke> :)
[12:27] <mhall119> debug symbols, is that why it had 600MB+ .so files?
[12:28] <willcooke> mhall119, ya
[12:42] <mhall119> willcooke: it looks like the snap include LibreOffice SDK, is that working?
[12:51] <mhall119> willcooke: the snap still contains ./home/bjoern/ which looks to have some recursion going on, not sure if there's more fat to trim off there or just cleanup
[12:51] <willcooke> mhall119 -> Sweet5hark
[12:55] <mhall119> it looks to contain a copy of usr/ in there
[12:56] <mhall119> some of it anyway
[12:56] <mhall119> du -sh ./home
[12:56] <mhall119> 297M	./home
[12:56] <Sweet5hark> mhall119: the sdk is included, not tested (its a pain to test it)
[12:58] <Sweet5hark> mhall119: urgh, ./home. yeah. thats https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/+bug/1592873 for you
[12:59] <Sweet5hark> I manually deleted the added paths each time so far, but not after rerunning snapcraft after stripping.
[12:59] <Sweet5hark> urgh.
[13:01] <Sweet5hark> mhall119: note though, while it is ugly, its likely not using extra space as the files there are duplicates of the ones in ./usr/local and squashfs should thus compress them down to ~nothing.
[13:01] <mhall119> Sweet5hark: ack
[13:02] <mhall119> Sweet5hark: were you able to fix the problem with the window menu not appearing on other distros?
[13:04] <Sweet5hark> mhall119: not aware of that.
[13:05] <Sweet5hark> mhall119: And if I fixed it, I would still wait 6 hours for the rebuild.
[13:06] <Sweet5hark> mhall119: speaking of menus though, it sounds like it might be a gmenumodel/dbus/unity thing? IOW we build with support for exporting menus via dbus in snapcraft, but other distros are ... different.
[13:08] <mhall119> Sweet5hark: but it should only do that on Unity, not other DEs, even on Ubuntu
[13:08] <mhall119> it appears to be trying to do it regardless of DE (at least from the comments I've seen about it)
[13:10] <Sweet5hark> mhall119: well, reminder we are running a _beta_ using an _experimental_ gtk3 backend right now. speaking of which, Im surprised that the dbus-menus work in gtk3 at all.
[13:11] <mhall119> Sweet5hark: I understand that, which is why I'm asking about bugs rather than comlaining :)
[13:57] <Laney> attente: "This example is not really production quality" ????
[14:00] <seb128> Laney, what example?
[14:37] <attente> Laney: that's the description that comes back from snapd, ev already knows about it
[14:37] <Laney> I know
[14:37] <Laney> are you sure you want to upload with this as a featured app?
[14:37] <Laney> is it going to be fixed soon?
[14:40] <attente> let's wait to see what he says
[14:41] <attente> snapd also isn't giving us the correct icons for those featured snaps either
[14:41] <Laney> can if you want
[14:41] <Laney> but it doesn't look very great
[14:41] <Laney> indeed
[14:41] <seb128> yeah
[14:41] <seb128> it's down to on much we are asked to get that change in
[14:41] <seb128> willcooke, ^ do you know?
[14:42] <willcooke> I don't, that requirement passed me by.  I'll find out though
[14:42] <seb128> thanks
[15:39] <Laney> attente: this gs_plugin_add_popular looks shady
[15:39] <Laney> in snappy
[15:39] <Laney> what is it doing?
[15:40] <attente> manually adding those curated snaps, but since there are fewer than 7, populating the last three or so with other apps from the other backends
[15:40] <attente> otherwise the randomization will most likely not show those few curated snaps
[15:41] <attente> at some point for the next sru we have to read the list from an xml file online
[15:42] <Laney> you're supposed to just add to the list and let g-s choose which ones to show
[15:42] <Laney> is it some kind of requirement to promote the snaps?
[15:43] <Laney> most of them come from actual popular apps according to ubuntu reviews
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, yes, I think there was requirement to promote snaps
[15:45] <Laney> this is weird though
[15:46] <seb128> weird like?
[15:46] <Laney> in order to promote 4 snaps we remove every single popular app from the archive
[15:46] <Laney> other than 3 random ones
[15:46] <seb128> we for sure don't remove anything from the archive
[15:46] <Laney> no
[15:46] <Laney> parse it differently
[15:46] <seb128> rigtht, just making it clear for people lurking here
[15:46] <seb128> I didn't look at the actual patch
[15:47] <seb128> I would expect the 3 other picks to still be in the most popular ones
[15:47] <Laney> currently the picks are things that ubuntu reviews has at ≥ 4 stars
[15:47] <seb128> but I guess that's not what the code does?
[15:47] <Laney> the remaining 3 will still be popular by that definition
[15:47] <seb128> k
[15:47] <Laney> but it will always only be 3 things
[15:47] <seb128> well, that's what we have been asked to do
[15:47] <Laney> and the other 4 will *always* be the same 4 snaps
[15:47] <seb128> also it's temporary until there are most snaps a xml we can consume
[15:48] <seb128> then things are going to not always be the same
[15:48] <seb128> but yeah, it's basically what I was pinging willcooke about
[15:48] <seb128> knowing how much that change is a strong requirement
[15:48] <Laney> I think it's a buggy requirement
[15:48] <seb128> e.g if we can delay it to next round
[15:49] <seb128> right, I agree with that
[15:49] <Laney> even if the XML exists
[15:49] <Laney> promoting something just because it is delivered in a particular way is weird
[15:50] <Laney> same with the big banner featured app too
[15:50] <Laney> the code deletes all the other ones so it's always going to be this shout thing
[15:50] <seb128> how is the big banner decided?
[15:52] <seb128> I'm a bit less sure than you on the "it's wrong to promote new things"
[15:52] <Laney> you can put them in the list
[15:52] <Laney> so they get the same chance as everything else
[15:52] <seb128> depends on how much you want to promote them :p
[15:54] <Laney> It's not that interesting to users how it gets delivered
[15:55] <Laney> the exception being if you have the same thing delivered in two different ways
[15:55] <Laney> then you might want to show the one you think is best
[15:58] <Laney> I have to go to a vote remain debate(!!!!)
[15:58]  * Laney stayed late yesterday to go early
[15:58] <Laney> but I pushed gnome-software to bzr, so if you think it's good
[15:58] <Laney> then upload
[15:58] <Laney> the description and icons can be fixed on the server as far as I know so if those are the only problems then they don't require any more code changes
[15:59] <Laney> I would upload to y and then add a backport entry for the SRU with ~ubuntu16.04.1 or something
[15:59] <Laney> the package will be the same
[16:00] <seb128> Laney, enjoy the debate
[16:00] <seb128> I read in the news that some remain campain woman got shoot
[16:00] <seb128> and that they suspended the campain?
[16:01] <Laney> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/vote-in-another-europe-is-possible-nottingham-event-tickets-25924580117
[16:01] <Laney> yeah i heard something about that
[16:01] <Laney> grim
[16:01] <Laney> byeee
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, let's see what willcooke says about the snaps recommends, but I agree on principle that it's wrong to promote them if they don't bring value, but you could argue than if confined the snap env brings value (more secure)
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, bye
[16:02] <jbicha> snaps are kinda experimental right now to be promoting them heavily to LTS users
[16:03] <seb128> jbicha, what makes you think they are experimental?
[16:03] <seb128> snapd was released as part of the LTS on the iso
[16:03] <seb128> with a proper stable version
[16:07] <jbicha> they are under heavry development, look at the changelog for snapd alone since 16.04 was final
[16:07] <seb128> right
[16:08] <seb128> doesn't mean they are experimental or unstable
[16:08] <seb128> they just lack features
[16:08] <jbicha> ...compared to the .debs also available in the Software app
[16:09] <seb128> right, nobody is removing the debs
[16:10] <seb128> but yeah I agree it's a bit early to promote them to LTS users
[16:10] <seb128> well at least for desktop apps
[16:11] <seb128> but they picked only things that work well
[16:11] <seb128> so why not
[16:13] <jbicha> ok, I haven't looked at snaps much to have any more specific issues to report, I was just piggybacking off Laney's skepticism
[16:14] <jbicha> and obviously snaps will continue improving
[16:16] <jbicha> thanks
[16:16] <seb128> thank you for the feedback :-)
[16:31] <jbicha> I guess it does say "Editor's Picks"
[16:32] <jbicha> here's a specific issue: the Cassandra database is featured but I don't believe it has a .desktop file
[16:32] <jbicha> and thus isn't something the Software app is designed to show
[16:34] <seb128> you mean?
[16:34] <seb128> the snap backend should be able to display the info page for any snap
[16:34] <seb128> that just looks poor atm
[16:34] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/262901733/krita_ubuntu_software.png
[16:34] <jbicha> the Software app intentionally excludes things that aren't "apps"
[16:35] <seb128> backends decide what are apps though
[16:35] <seb128> like the snap backend could flag any snap as one?
[16:35] <jbicha> same thing for Jenkins
[16:38] <jbicha> I mean you've got bugs like bug 1553211 which are closed more or less as WONTFIX where users are complaining that
[16:38] <jbicha> Software only allows installing or uninstalling a portion of Ubuntu's packages
[16:39] <jbicha> so it's inconsistent that snaps aren't being filtered the same way
[16:40] <seb128> right
[16:41] <jbicha> I'll just file a bug then :)
[16:41] <seb128> thanks
[16:44] <jbicha> oh wow, I'm still on snapd 2.0.2 since newer versions are stuck in y-proposed
[17:12] <seb128> attente, Laney, let's roll the snap picks/featured changes out of that SRU while it's still be discussed, ok?
[17:13] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[17:13] <attente> seb128: ok
[17:14] <attente> willcooke: should we also roll back the snap name/summary change for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1555569
[17:14] <willcooke> *I* think so
[17:14] <willcooke> I think "Jenkins" vs "Jenkins automation ser.." is better
[17:15] <willcooke> and I think we should pause that until the store guys have their fix in
[17:16] <attente> for one-word snaps like jenkins, sure, but for something like the calculator snap, you'd get "ubuntu-calculator-app"
[17:16] <attente> still would rather roll that back though
[17:22] <willcooke> +1
[18:00] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers
[18:06] <willcooke> cheers seb128
[18:44] <davidcalle> willcooke: so, do you take work items here instead? :)
[18:44] <willcooke> damn it davidcalle, I told you not to call me at work
[18:44] <davidcalle> lol
[18:47] <seb128> those frenchies, no manners
[18:48] <willcooke> I thought you'd finished for the day seb128!?!
[18:48] <willcooke> wooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[18:48] <willcooke> my snap works!
[18:48] <seb128> yeah, just hanging around watching the news with the laptop, waiting for dinner to be ready
[18:48] <seb128> which it just is
[18:49] <seb128> :-)
[18:49] <willcooke> enjo
[18:49] <willcooke> y
[18:49] <seb128> thanks
[18:49] <seb128> well done for the snap
[18:49] <seb128> bbl
[18:49] <willcooke> l8r
[20:05] <willcooke> night all