[07:42] <knudsen_> Hello. Some days ago I installed Ubunto (the new preview), and I installed totem-xine without any problems. Now I have made a freash installation, and if I want to install totem-xine, I have to uninstall ubuntu-desktop. Afterwards totem will not start ... does anybody know what to do?
[07:43] <da_root> do you use synaptic?
[07:43] <knudsen_> yes
[07:43] <Xappe> apt-get totem-xine maybe?
[07:43] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, don't worry about ubuntu-desktop, try running totem-xine from a command line and see what error it pops up with.
[07:43] <jason> what is in ubuntu-desktop?
[07:44] <Xappe> ah, sorry. I misread
[07:44] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: believe it or not: It lacks libnautilus-cdburn.so.0 (or something like that)
[07:44] <da_root> perhaps restart totem with synaptic?!?
[07:44] <knudsen_> restart totem?!
[07:44] <kotatsu> jason: meta package that depends on all the important desktop stuff
[07:44] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, wtf
[07:44] <vaijr2002> any ideas with my prob Xappe?
[07:44] <kasper> i think ill be deleting suse 9.1 totally now
[07:44] <ruben> eum does anyone of you play ET in linux?
[07:44] <jason> kotatsu: thanks :)
[07:44] <kotatsu> kasper: in favor of ubuntu?
[07:44] <kasper> i feel as if im cheating on my partner dual booting kubuntu and suse
[07:45] <vaijr2002> lol
[07:45] <Xappe> vaijr2002, nope, I have no need to run a dc hub. I just use the clients...
[07:45] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: it sounds strange ... especially since nautilus-cdburn IS installed...
[07:45] <Burgaway> jason: generally, once you have a stable system, you don't need ubuntu-desktop
[07:45] <vaijr2002> lol ok Xappe
[07:45] <DavidH86> kasper:thats funny
[07:45] <kasper> kubuntu needs a medal!
[07:45] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, try updatedb as root
[07:45] <kasper> trophy!
[07:45] <da_root> does anyone can help me, with automaticly startup a programm at startup!
[07:45] <Burgaway> jason: however, until hoary releases, I would keep it
[07:45] <kotatsu> yay, another ubuntu convert ^^
[07:45] <Burgaway> da_root: session manager
[07:45] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: hmmm ... doesn't that just "update" locate?
[07:45] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, that probably won't matter but...
[07:45] <kasper> more  than convert,,, total linux user rewrite!
[07:46] <kasper> you fucking whores
[07:46] <kasper> lol
[07:46] <Burgaway> da_root: system-->prefs-->sessions
[07:46] <da_root> and this will also start when i don't start kde?
[07:46] <Burgaway> da_root: that is gnome, userspace stuff
[07:46] <kotatsu> I'm very much a fan of ubuntu... used debian before warty but it's really nice not to have to worry about keeping track of all the necessary stuff to have a coherent desktop
[07:46] <Burgaway> da_root: do you want start a program before you login?
[07:47] <ruben> I also have a prob with ET I can play it fine for about 15 minutes and then the console just shuts down and says there was a segmentation error
[07:47] <da_root> jep before login like nic startup!
[07:47] <kasper> i want to open  up a #ubuntu channel on my ircd
[07:47] <vaijr2002> crrrappers
[07:47] <vaijr2002> hmm
[07:47] <kasper> ne australian ununtu users here?
[07:47] <_d4vid> hi all
[07:47] <vaijr2002> ok well gonna go look for some more help ttyl everyone
[07:47] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, fire up synaptic and see if totem-xine has any conflicts besides ubuntu-desktop
[07:47] <Burgaway> da_root: you need to add a script to /etc/init.d with it symlinked to the right runlevel
[07:48] <ruben> by
[07:48] <Burgaway> linuxboy: it doesn
[07:48] <Burgaway> LinuxJones: it doesn't
[07:48] <kasper> LinuxJones, use kaffein instead of totem for kubuntu
[07:48] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: it has to uinstall totem, totem-gstreamer, and ubuntu-desktop
[07:48] <keffo> hm
[07:48] <keffo> where do i put them splashscreens?
[07:49] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, I use gxine and avoid totem as it isn't really in great shape yet :)
[07:49] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: what's wrong with totem?
[07:49] <Spooks> Anyone got an opinion on best HD make?
[07:49] <sevas_26> hi all
[07:49] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: your problems might be with totem-gstreamer, not totem itself
[07:50] <LinuxJones> kotatsu, it's a pain
[07:50] <keffo> where do i put them splashscreens?
[07:50] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: I also thougt of that, but I would like totem to create thumbnails for my video files ...
[07:50] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: gstreamer is a kickass idea, but not quite the best backend for media playback yet >_<
[07:50] <Armando> Greetings! Wanted to know if Ubuntu supports xfree86?
[07:50] <kotatsu> hard to beat gstreamer for media conversion though... was playing with it the other day
[07:50] <Armando> Also does it support DRM (Direct Rendering Manager).
[07:50] <apokryphos> Armando: it's the default in Warty
[07:50] <knudsen_> kotatsu: I cannot even play an mpeg-file with totem ...
[07:51] <kotatsu> knudsen_: do you have totem-xine installed?
[07:51] <apokryphos> Armando: in hoary, it is supported but not the default.
[07:51] <maximaus> apt-get install totem-xine solves a lot of headaches.
[07:51] <LinuxJones> kotatsu, it's coming along and I will move to it when things get a little more settled down with it
[07:51] <knudsen_> kotatsu: If I install totem-xine, totem wont start ...
[07:51] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: what's coming along, exactly?
[07:51] <Armando> apokryphos: does the default installation give you hoary?
[07:51] <maximaus> I like how totem makes installing new codecs a snap. :)
[07:51] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: no problem with using gxine, I'm just curious what needs work in totem
[07:51] <kotatsu> it's a quick and dirty way to play media using a xine backend
[07:52] <kotatsu> I don't use it for watching dvds and stuff but for media clips I find totem quite easy
[07:52] <sevas_26> guy's, can I install ubuntu ontop suse, whitout erasing /home
[07:52] <apokryphos> Armando: Ubuntu Warty is currently the Stable Version. Hoary is technically in developement, but the vast majority of users are using it already. Preview came out recently.
[07:52] <gfxstyler> hi
[07:52] <LinuxJones> kotatsu, totem
[07:52] <knudsen_> kotatsu: I wonder why it worked when I made an installation some days ago ...
[07:52] <gfxstyler> is there a way to make the ubuntu fonts smaller
[07:52] <Vjaz_> sevas_26: there's a good reason to have a separate home partition :-/
[07:52] <gfxstyler> (i already tried the fontmanager but it has no effect)
[07:52] <apokryphos> Armando: I recommend hoary if you want all the new apps etc. Switching to xfree on hoary is trivial.
[07:52] <kotatsu> knudsen_: not sure - try running it on a command line and see if you get error messages
[07:52] <sevas_26> mm
[07:52] <knudsen_> kotatsu: believe it or not: It lacks libnautilus-cdburn.so.0 (or something like that)
[07:53] <keffo> anyone knows where i change splashscreen?
[07:53] <Armando> apokryphos: Ok, thanx. I'll install the source when I get better at linux. Long time Windows user and not a programer so its gonna take a while :-) But finaly I found that my ATI Radeon 345M Card is 3D Hardware supported.
[07:53] <sevas_26> [gfx]  need to make  another partit. n' puto all my /home there ?
[07:53] <farruinn> gfxstyler: in preferences>fonts you can change the dpi
[07:53] <Echylo> lovely
[07:53] <Echylo> apt-get moo
[07:53] <kotatsu> knudsen_: uh... for burning CDs in totem? I don't follow
[07:53] <apokryphos> Armando: Switching to Linux was the best computer decision I ever made. :)
[07:53] <farruinn> gfxstyler: it's 92 by default, you can lower it to make the fonts smaller
[07:53] <knudsen_> kotastsu: I don't understand it either ... it's strange!
[07:53] <mellum> Hi. Can anybody say something about the completeness of the German translation in 5.04? Would I be better off with 4.10?
[07:53] <gfxstyler> farruinn: yes but somehow since i installed kde they are bigger
[07:54] <knudsen_> kotastu: and nautilus-cdburn *is* installed ...
[07:54] <kotatsu> knudsen_: if you can get the output from totem I might be able to help you track down the problem
[07:54] <farruinn> gfxstyler: in gnome or just kde?
[07:54] <gfxstyler> in gnome
[07:54] <gfxstyler> farruinn: i have to set the dpi to 80 to make it look like before
[07:54] <apokryphos> Armando: if you should need any help, just come and ask in here. :) Takes some time to get used to, but once you do, it's great.
[07:55] <selphish> how do i get ubuntu warty to load enlightment instead of gnome?
[07:55] <knudsen_> kotatsu: It simply says "cannot find shared library libnautilus-burncd.so.0" (or cdburn, I do not remember)
[07:55] <gfxstyler> selphish: in gdm u can select enlightement and if you load it it should ask you to make it default
[07:55] <kotatsu> selphish: I think you're looking for /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current in gconf
[07:55] <LinuxJones> selphish, it should appear un sessions in the GDM login screen
[07:55] <farruinn> selphish: what I did was install fluxbox so I could get an understandable xsessions/*.desktop file to convert for e
[07:56] <farruinn> selphish: I can /msg you mine if you want
[07:56] <kotatsu> knudsen_: does that file exist on your system?
[07:56] <Armando> apokryphos: Yup :) Installed it last night but couldnt get my wirless card to work.  But since then Ive been working on learning the system so should be able to configure it adequately by the weekend :)
[07:56] <knudsen_> kotatsu: I'll take a look ... to sec
[07:56] <Hedley> It's Frank! From Frank's Factory Flooring!~!~!~!~!
[07:56] <apokryphos> Armando: nice :)
[07:57] <Armando> apokryphos: hehe yup.  Ok, be back later then Bye!
[07:57] <popeye> Anyone knows how to see what modules are possible to install in my kernel
[07:57] <knudsen_> kotatsu: The right message is: "totem: error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus-burn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:57] <knudsen_> ", and the file does not exist ...
[07:57] <LinuxJones> popey, modprobe -l
[07:58] <popeye> thanks
[07:58] <^thehatsrule^> oh, are nvidia drivers included on cd?
[07:58] <gfxstyler> @all: is there a way to fake dropshadows in gnome like kde does?
[07:58] <LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, no
[07:58] <^thehatsrule^> oh dang
[07:58] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: you can apt for them
[07:58] <LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, it's only a few meg download
[07:59] <aman> hi all
[07:59] <^thehatsrule^> is it possible to set up while livecd?
[07:59] <^thehatsrule^> editing on ramdisk i guess
[08:00] <kotatsu> knudsen_: does /usr/lib/libnautilus-burn.so.0 exist on your system?
[08:00] <Jesterace> wow hoary upgrades aplenty
[08:01] <knudsen_> kotatsu: there are files called blablabla.1 and blablabla.1.0.0 but not blablabla.0
[08:01] <kotatsu> knudsen_: using hoary?
[08:01] <knudsen_> kotatsu: I am using 5.04
[08:01] <loren> anyone tried Kubuntu?
[08:02] <DXT> anyone knows of a freeware app to convert .ape to .mp3?
[08:02] <apokryphos> loren: many people, yes :). If you want, see #kubuntu
[08:02] <loren> awsome :)
[08:02] <kotatsu> knudsen_: totem shouldn't be looking for .0 then.... try $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall totem-xine libnautilus-burn1
[08:03] <stianh> Hello
[08:03] <kotatsu> hi
[08:03] <knudsen_> kotatsu: it's still the same. ..
[08:03] <gfxstyler> hi
[08:03] <stianh> dumb question: what would happen if I change the repos from warty ones to hoary ones
[08:03] <stianh> ?
[08:03] <stianh> and try to install stuff
[08:03] <kotatsu> knudsen_: hmmm, not sure... if you make a symlink of the correct name does it work?
[08:03] <farruinn> stianh: you would be running hoary =)
[08:04] <kotatsu> stianh: probably upgrade you without any problems
[08:04] <Jesterace> stianh, well it would likely turn into hoary :P
[08:04] <kotatsu> stianh: *probably* =P
[08:04] <stianh> hehe, neat :)
[08:04] <kotatsu> I had to fight with the deps a little bit, but I dist-upgraded mid-hoary
[08:05] <Snecklifter> what version of mysql, php and apache does hoary come with?
[08:05] <stianh> Oh what the heck, I'm bored, so if things break I'll have something to do :D
[08:05] <knudsen_> kotatsu: It get's even more strange: totem: relocation error: totem: undefined symbol: bacon_cd_selection_new
[08:05] <Po|^20> Buenas tardes
[08:05] <Snecklifter> buenos noches
[08:05] <stianh> thanks guys
[08:06] <Po|^20> (es ms fcil q el Ubuntu se connecte al IRC q el Windows, para muestra: un botn)
[08:06] <kotatsu> Snecklifter: apache 1.3.33 and 2.0.53
[08:06] <stianh> buenos nachos? :P
[08:06] <pinS> that is just cool
[08:06] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[08:06] <kotatsu> Snecklifter: php4.3.10
[08:06] <Snecklifter> ah cheers kotatsu
[08:06] <Snecklifter> drat
[08:06] <kotatsu> Snecklifter: mysql 4.0.23
[08:06] <Snecklifter> right, thanks muchly
[08:06] <Po|^20> Pregunta: estoy en Ubuntua ahora mismo, pero con un problema, no consigo que reproduzca mp3, puede alguien ayudarme ?
[08:06] <kotatsu> welcome
[08:07] <Snecklifter> needing 5 and 4.1 of the latter
[08:07] <kotatsu> Snecklifter: why the drat? php?
[08:07] <gfxstyler> muahahaa ubuntu is just perfect :
[08:07] <Snecklifter> I'm having an awful problem with a LAMP solution I'm working in
[08:07] <Snecklifter> but it uses mysqli
[08:08] <Snecklifter> so I really would like to be using php5 and mysql 4.1
[08:08] <kotatsu> ah, so you need the newest versions to fix a bug?
[08:08] <Snecklifter> well, not sure
[08:08] <kotatsu> didn't even know PHP was on version 5 =P
[08:08] <Snecklifter> yeah, its not production yet but getting there
[08:08] <kotatsu> ah, ok
[08:08] <^thehatsrule^> Po|^20: puede jugar cualquier cosa ?
[08:08] <Snecklifter> even php coders are starting to call themselves programmers!
[08:09] <kotatsu> hehe
[08:09] <kotatsu> <-- 0 experience in php!
[08:09] <Snecklifter> becuase its got some basic OO stuff in there
[08:09] <kotatsu> I don't really like coding much, actually
[08:09] <Snecklifter> well ive got about 2/100
[08:09] <Snecklifter> but the learning curve is steep
[08:09] <gfxstyler> is there a special reason why "iwconfig wlan0 essid acer" doesnt work?
[08:10] <kotatsu> I know enough java to be passable and I can write asp/vbscript if forced
[08:10] <kotatsu> but what I'm really coming to love is shell scripting... it's so easy to do so much quickly compared to programming heh
[08:10] <Snecklifter> i'll pretend i didnt hear the latter bit....
[08:10] <popeye> how do i see wich modules are on in the kernel
[08:10] <Snecklifter> yeah, shell is good
[08:10] <kotatsu> I'd like to get into python as some point
[08:10] <kotatsu> but time is always at a premium
[08:10] <selphish> jh
[08:10] <Snecklifter> check out bashpodder for a good but effective shell script
[08:11] <Snecklifter> and jono bacon at lugradio has done some good experimental stuff with python
[08:11] <kasper> wheres ubuntu kde3 installed?
[08:11] <kotatsu> isn't showing up in apt - is there a website for bashpodder?
[08:11] <kasper> its not in /opt/kde3
[08:11] <Snecklifter> yeah, just google it
[08:12] <kotatsu> another neat one is beanshell
[08:12] <kotatsu> played with that for a day or two, although I don't really have a use for it beyond curiousity
[08:12] <Snecklifter> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/tllts/
[08:12] <kotatsu> http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/
[08:12] <kotatsu> hahaha
[08:12] <kotatsu> love the logo
[08:12] <Snecklifter> thats the one
[08:12] <pinS> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:12] <pinS> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
[08:12] <Po|^20> ^thehatsrule^:  que si puedo jugar ?
[08:12] <pinS> ^^ ??
[08:13] <Snecklifter> check out the show too, really chilled out but good chaps on the mic
[08:13] <Snecklifter> okay, thanks for the quick info on LAMP kotatsu
[08:14] <Snecklifter> gotta run
[08:14] <^thehatsrule^> Po|^20 s, usted hace el sonido instalar y trabaja?
[08:14] <pinS> anyone?
[08:14] <elTigre> help! my computer fucked up...
[08:14] <kotatsu> bye, good luck
[08:14] <^thehatsrule^> btw, Po|^20 : http://babelfish.altavista.com
[08:14] <elTigre> I can't install a kernel that works -.-
[08:14] <Po|^20> para ?
[08:14] <elTigre> I always get this "can't mount root filesystem"
[08:15] <^thehatsrule^> Po|^20: xmms?
[08:15] <elTigre> my root fs is a reiserfs.... one of my kernel works, 2.6.11-1-i686 ... but when I run gnome-session the computer hangs and I can't install any nvidia driver
[08:15] <elTigre> any idea?
[08:15] <tritium> elTigre, 2.6.11 isn't supported yet
[08:15] <^thehatsrule^> lol i just use ext3
[08:16] <tritium> only up to 2.6.10 has linux-restricted-modules, which provides nvidia support
[08:16] <elTigre> yep but 2.6.10 won't boot
[08:16] <^thehatsrule^> like, whats the advantage of all those new fs? :/
[08:16] <chickenman> i am back people !! :D
[08:16] <tritium> elTigre, why?  What's the problem?
[08:17] <beowuff> is there a command to kick a user off a pts? I had ssh tme out and it shows I have 3 pty's open...
[08:17] <tritium> elTigre, you should try the latest update to 2.6.10.  It should work
[08:17] <kaouete> even with reiserfs ?
[08:17] <^thehatsrule^> is it a process? cant you just kill it then
[08:17] <pinS> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:17] <pinS> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
[08:18] <elTigre> well, I will try and delete all kernels now -.-
[08:18] <elTigre> and then try to install something with the ubuntu logo
[08:18] <kaouete> :)
[08:18] <GeP> kuku
[08:19] <elTigre> which package should I use to install a kernel?
[08:19] <tritium> elTigre, save yourself a working kernel just in case you have problems
[08:20] <tritium> elTigre, linux-image-2.6.10
[08:20] <tritium> -<your architecture>
[08:21] <pinS> no one here knows about my error with ndiswrapper?
[08:22] <tritium> elTigre, just sudo apt-get install linux-image-686, for example
[08:22] <elTigre> ok...
[08:22] <mips1> pinS, is the file actually there ?
[08:22] <tritium> elTigre, what architecture do you have?
[08:23] <elTigre> athlon xp
[08:23] <elTigre> i386
[08:23] <billytwowilly> anyone else running an ati graphics card and getting really funky messed up colors? it was fine until the last update and reboot.
[08:23] <LordGrunt> heya, anyone else had some performance problems with mplayer?
[08:24] <Xappe> billytwowilly, do not lick the stamps with smileys
[08:24] <elTigre> well I will try and reboot now....
[08:25] <billytwowilly> Xappe,  that's actually what it is kind of like;) I'm trying to take a screen shot to show you guys.
[08:25] <arek> where is the list of things finnished and things still to be done for hoarty?
[08:25] <Xappe> billytwowilly, now i'm afraid to reboot
[08:26] <billytwowilly> Xappe, wait a minute and I should have a screen up.
[08:27] <farruinn> everyone smile
[08:27] <billytwowilly> Xappe, http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/snapshot1.png
[08:28] <billytwowilly> those gigantic purple circle things are not supposed to be there.. or the graininess of the icons.
[08:28] <LinuxJones> pinS, did you read the howto on the Ubuntu website ?
[08:28] <pinS> ya
[08:28] <pinS> that error pop up
[08:28] <pinS> im gonna reformat to start all over
[08:28] <pinS> bbl
[08:29] <GeP> 'tenda
[08:29] <pinS> seems like something i screwed up
[08:29] <pinS> will the file be there after the reformat
[08:30] <Xappe> billytwowilly, haha, you fool. that screenshot looks perfectly fine to us, since don't have your graphics problem :)
[08:30] <odie5533> Is ubuntu slow for anyone else?
[08:30] <odie5533> It seems slower than windows xp =/
[08:31] <Spooks> Not for me
[08:31] <Spooks> And my system is poo
[08:31] <billytwowilly> Xappe, that's weird. I looked at it in firefox and it looked weird.
[08:31] <Spooks> Poo  I say
[08:31] <odie5533> I have 512mb DDR PC2700 and a 2.6gHz
[08:31] <Xappe> billytwowilly, but if you take a screenshot with a digital camera :)
[08:31] <billytwowilly> Xappe, looked the same weird as the desktop
[08:32] <Xappe> billytwowilly, hmm
[08:32] <phxguy> hi...
[08:32] <phxguy> can someone help me out with a mounting issue?
[08:32] <odie5533> Is there any form filler and password saver like AI Roboform for Linux?
[08:32] <Xappe> billytwowilly, how screwed up should it be?
[08:33] <pinS> why does ubuntu install 386 files while my lappy is 2.66ghz pentium
[08:33] <billytwowilly> two pink purple circles with the bottom right corner as the center.
[08:33] <billytwowilly> Plus grainy icons.
[08:33] <billytwowilly> I'm going to reboot again and pray that the windows solution fixes it;)
[08:33] <LinuxJones> Anybody using Yahoo Mail with Evolution ?
[08:33] <phxguy> ubuntu is not seeing Windows Drive (hda)
[08:33] <thenuke> pinS: because only kernel is compiled for different archtitectures
[08:34] <Xappe> billytwowilly, it looks perfectly fine here
[08:34] <billytwowilly> ok. bbiab
[08:34] <phxguy> ANybidy???
[08:34] <phxguy> Anybody?
[08:35] <libpng> phxguy, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[08:35] <phxguy> do i do that in a terminal window?
[08:35] <libpng> sure
[08:35] <ren0> I was able to solve my Xorg problem with hoary by using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...
[08:35] <libpng> it ll give the partition list
[08:35] <treke> I've got a question about security updates for universe in ubuntu. The source.list file indicates that no security updates are done to packages in the universe section of ubuntu, while the wiki indicates that the Ubuntu Security Team maintains security updates on the universe repository. Which of these statements is actually accurate?
[08:36] <ren0> ..Then I followed the destructions.
[08:36] <rvirani> I have hoary
[08:36] <rvirani> how do I install kubuntu-desktop
[08:36] <apokryphos> rvirani: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:36] <phxguy> ok libpng it shows it there how do i get it to mount??
[08:36] <rvirani> apokryphos,  you wish it was that easy
[08:36] <rvirani> duh
[08:36] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <rvirani> lol
[08:37] <LinuxJones> rvirani, have you done apt-get update first ?
[08:37] <apokryphos> rvirani: it is. :) Enable the repositories
[08:37] <DarthFrog> rvirani: It is that easy.
[08:37] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: KDE is in main now.
[08:37] <rvirani> nope
[08:37] <Loevborg> this is really annoyning - ripping with cdparanoia is painfully slow on by hoary install with a nec dvd writer.
[08:37] <rvirani> cant find it
[08:37] <rvirani> so its not that easy
[08:37] <apokryphos> DarthFrog: Good point (which I forgot); though, some packages still in Universe.
[08:37] <LinuxJones> rvirani, apt-get update first
[08:37] <rvirani> so where do I get the repositories from?
[08:37] <apokryphos> DarthFrog: all stuff necessary for k-desktop is in main though, I think.
[08:38] <Xappe> Loevborg, have you tried to turn on dma?
[08:38] <libpng> phxguy, which partition do u wanna mount ? and what is its type nyfs or fat32 ?
[08:38] <rvirani> same thing
[08:38] <Loevborg> Xappe, yes, it doesn't chang a thing.
[08:38] <rvirani> not working
[08:38] <odyssey> Loevborg dma enabled? that might speed things up
[08:38] <apokryphos> rvirani: don't worry about that; just apt-get update; then the command above
[08:38] <DarthFrog> rvirani: Use synaptic to add repositories.  It will ask you about universe and multiverse.
[08:38] <rvirani> I did
[08:38] <apokryphos> rvirani: what's the error message?
[08:38] <Loevborg> Xappe, it used to be disabled though, which is weird.
[08:38] <rvirani> I added all the repos
[08:38] <rvirani> E" Couldnt find package kubuntu-desktop
[08:38] <Loevborg> Xappe, maybe that means that ide controller interaction is bad...
[08:38] <LinuxJones> rvirani, output the /etc/apt/sources.lst file to www.pastebin.ca then post the link here
[08:38] <phxguy> linpng; there is only one partitoin on the Disk. I would like to mount the whole thing. It is NTFS.. So i know it will be read only which is fine with me....
[08:38] <Xappe> Loevborg, i know. I got sluggish dvd playback on my ibook until I turned dma on
[08:39] <thoreauputic> rvirani: you reloaded ?
[08:39] <DarthFrog> rvirani: Use synaptice to enable the repositories, update package lists and then install kubuntu-desktop.  All from synaptic.  You don't have to use apt-get, synaptic will do it all for you.
[08:39] <phxguy> I have Ubuntu installed on a different physical disk (hdb1)
[08:39] <libpng> phxguy, paste the output (sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda)
[08:39] <ali> i got a problem: my fresh hoary install freezes after 2-3hours. i have nvidia drivers
[08:39] <phxguy> /dev/hda1   *           1       14592   117210208+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[08:40] <rvirani> http://pastebin.ca/7712
[08:40] <LinuxJones> ali, sounds like a hardware problem is you system running hot ?
[08:40] <libpng> phxguy, sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs
[08:40] <DarthFrog> rvirani: Synaptic has a search function, you can use it to find kubuntu-desktop.
[08:40] <ali> nope..
[08:40] <apokryphos> rvirani: you commented out the repos you need
[08:40] <Loevborg> /dev/hdc: using_dma    =  1 (on)  -- hope that actually means that enabling dma worked.
[08:40] <ali> LinuxJones, nope
[08:40] <rvirani> I know what synaptic is you tool
[08:40] <libpng> phxguy, sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs /mnt/ntfs -o ro,umask=000
[08:40] <apokryphos> rvirani: and you have warty repos there
[08:40] <rvirani> apokryphonaptics, must be a bug, I checked all of them in sy
[08:40] <libpng> phxguy, cd /mnt/ntfs && ls -l
[08:40] <rvirani> I checked all I saw
[08:40] <NetwrkMonkey> in gnome how do i make keycode 174 turn up the volume and keycode 176 turn it down?
[08:41] <rvirani> let me go and manually do it
[08:41] <rvirani> Im running hoary
[08:41] <DarthFrog> rvirani: You're running Warty.
[08:41] <apokryphos> rvirani: hold on, let me send you my repositories.
[08:41] <pinPoint> im reformating my lappy
[08:41] <apokryphos> rvirani: what does cat /etc/issue give?
[08:41] <DarthFrog> rvirani: Well, your sources.list say warty.
[08:41] <ali> LinuxJones, it worked in warty, but in hoary..it freezes
[08:41] <LinuxJones> rvirani, you should uncomment the line >> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted    as well
[08:41] <LinuxJones> ali, mmm
[08:41] <rvirani> exec -o cat /etc/issue
[08:41] <rvirani> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[08:41] <phxguy> libpng... Its is mounted.... How do I get it to AutoMount on Startup... I did not see it listed in my fstab
[08:42] <apokryphos> rvirani: ok, hold on, I'll send you my sources.list
[08:42] <libpng> phxguy, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[08:42] <apokryphos> rvirani: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/sources.list
[08:42] <rvirani> updating
[08:43] <ali> LinuxJones, it happends after 3-2 hours..can i mail you my xlog, and my xconfig so you find if anythunf is wrong
[08:43] <rvirani> I uncommented all the hoary stuff
[08:43] <apokryphos> rvirani: replace that file with your current onen, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <phxguy> ok  libpng i have fstab opened....
[08:43] <rvirani> dont know why it was commented in the first place
[08:43] <ali> anything*
[08:43] <rvirani> perhaps I should submit a bug
[08:43] <libpng> phxguy, and add this line "/dev/hda1    /mnt/ntfs   ntfs   users,umask=0,ro   0   0"
[08:43] <apokryphos> rvirani: you still have warty stuff there... and other problems. Replace it with the one above and you'll be fine.
[08:43] <rvirani> I commented all the warty stuff
[08:43] <pinPoint> is there a way to have your own sources run at your own server
[08:44] <phxguy> ok libpng That is done. Should I save it now???
[08:44] <treke> looks like universe does get some kind of security releases
[08:44] <libpng> phxguy, sure
[08:44] <LinuxJones> ali, it could be a hundred things :(
[08:44] <phxguy> kewl. thanks... I have one More.... I have a External Maxtor USB Drive.... Which I would like to add to fstab also
[08:45] <ali> LinuxJones, hmmm...
[08:45] <rvirani> apokryphos, thanx
[08:45] <arek> ali search your logs not only xfree logs but others also see what dmesg says
[08:45] <apokryphos> rvirani: np :)
[08:45] <pinPoint> hey its installing kernel linux-386
[08:45] <rvirani> they should fix the sources.list in hoary I guess
[08:45] <pinPoint> why why why!!!
[08:45] <pinPoint> my system is 686
[08:45] <ali> arek, ok
[08:45] <apokryphos> rvirani: the sources.list by default are just fine. ;-)
[08:45] <libpng> phxguy, when u plugged it look "dmesg | tail" what it says?
[08:46] <rvirani> apokryphos, mine didnt work
[08:46] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, covers more ground
[08:46] <phxguy> I already have a folder for it /media/MAXTOR120
[08:46] <pinPoint> what?
[08:46] <rvirani> not for kubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <rvirani> kubuntu says just do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <rvirani> but it doesnt work by default
[08:46] <pinPoint> LinuxJones: then i have to get rid of it to install ndiswrapper...
[08:46] <pinPoint> double work for nothing
[08:46] <apokryphos> rvirani: it does, if your repositories were alright
[08:46] <libpng> phxguy, what is its type ? fat or ntfs ?
[08:47] <Cred_> Hi ho. I was wondering if someone here has a USB device called "Wireless PC Lock". A USB key and a keyring that locks computer automaticly if appart more than 2meters.. :)
[08:47] <phxguy> it is also NTFS
[08:47] <Riddell> rvirani: what doesn't work?
[08:47] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, the 386 kernel is default because it will work with all those intel/amd processors
[08:47] <chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ??
[08:47] <pinPoint> so i can keep it and still have ndiswrapper work
[08:47] <pinPoint> without problems
[08:47] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, you can always install the 686 kernel image after
[08:47] <pinPoint> no no too much work
[08:47] <phxguy> linpng... when i typed that command I get a bunch of error msgs
[08:47] <chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ??
[08:48] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, you don't have high speed Internet ?
[08:48] <pinPoint> i do
[08:48] <pinPoint> install then boot into it
[08:48] <pinPoint> then uninstall 386
[08:48] <pinPoint> double work
[08:48] <chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ?? please help!!
[08:48] <pinPoint> it could have just done 686
[08:48] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, ok all you have to do is apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-686
[08:48] <pinPoint> with sudo
[08:49] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, it takes like 2 minutes :D
[08:49] <thoreauputic> pinPoint: you don't have to uninstall a thing
[08:49] <pinPoint> alright
[08:49] <pinPoint> will do that
[08:49] <chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ?? Some one help me i don't have all night to wait
[08:49] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, it's best to have the 386 as a backup that works incase soemthing get's borked like nvidia drivers
[08:49] <pinPoint> using ati
[08:50] <thoreauputic> chickenman: then don't wait :)
[08:50] <chickenman> i come in here for help and no one helps me !
[08:50] <farruinn> chickenman: how did you compile the source?
[08:50] <apokryphos> chickenman: your attitude is hardly helping you there
[08:50] <LinuxJones> chickenman, your almost demanding that someone help you :P
[08:51] <chickenman> i've been trying for 2 days to get the damn thing to work now i don't know where the files are stored
[08:51] <netmonk> chickenman, i would have helped you, but I don't have a clue, may be the ones that can are busy. wait for a whle ;)
[08:51] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: Almost? :-)
[08:51] <ali> I have another question, is there any rep for hoary for the non free rar ?
[08:51] <LinuxJones> chickenman, updatedb and locate filename
[08:51] <tritium> chickenman, that doesn't mean you should be rude
[08:51] <chickenman> i am not being rude
[08:51] <chickenman> :|
[08:51] <thoreauputic> ali, multiverse
[08:51] <LinuxJones> chickenman, what are you compiling ?
[08:51] <chickenman> as small C++ program .cpp
[08:51] <apokryphos> chickenman: "Some one help me i don't have all night to wait" -- is hardly the friendliest tone.
[08:52] <chickenman> well i don't have all night
[08:52] <tritium> chickenman, g++ puts the compiled file in the directory you call it from
[08:52] <tritium> chickenman, be polite, or don't get help
[08:52] <Xenguy> Hi - is anyone else getting occasional/regular unsolicited /msg's from some turkey (pun intended) who always just says "Hi" ?
[08:52] <chickenman> that would be my desktop but i don't see any think new
[08:52] <thoreauputic> chickenman: people here are volunteers
[08:52] <tritium> chickenman, this is rude: <chickenman> well i don't have all night
[08:52] <chickenman> :|
[08:52] <pacorro> hi
[08:53] <LinuxJones> hi pacorro
[08:53] <DarthFrog> chickenman: As LinuxJones pointed out, updatedb and locate are the two commands you need.
[08:53] <apokryphos> chickenman: what are you installing?
[08:53] <rvirani> its going :D
[08:53] <ali> thoreauputic, could you give me the hole link, (so that i can paset in my source list=
[08:53] <chickenman> locate ill give it a try
[08:53] <chickenman> and what do compiled .cpp files end up as ?
[08:54] <pacorro> who know which repository i can find f-spot
[08:54] <thoreauputic> ali, you just add the word multiverse after universe , with a space
[08:54] <apokryphos> chickenman: whereis <packagename> will likely help, too; produce less results than locate...
[08:54] <DarthFrog> chickenman: They don't end in anything in particular.
[08:54] <chickenman> ok
[08:54] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, I think it's something he has written himself
[08:54] <apokryphos> oh
[08:54] <tritium> chickenman, man g++
[08:54] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, like helloworld
[08:54] <goodoldunclemike> ? where do I edit Or where can i find doc's on mounting fat32
[08:55] <chickenman> i go take a look see if i can find it brb
[08:57] <ali> E: Malformed line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[08:57] <ali> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[08:57] <ali> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ali, Ok you got it wrong :)
[08:57] <ali> hmmm....
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ali, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:58] <thoreauputic> ali, the repositories are listed there
[08:58] <thoreauputic> including multiverse
[08:58] <ali> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:59] <odie5533> Is there a good java IDE for linux?
[09:00] <Vjaz> Eclipse
[09:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> netbeans
[09:00] <Loevborg> odie5533, eclipse of course!
[09:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> & eclipse
[09:00] <odie5533> I hated netbeans on windows... =/
[09:00] <odie5533> checking eclipse atm
[09:01] <chickenman> i've found it thanks :D
[09:02] <Den-Dens> Hi
[09:03] <Den-Dens> I have a problem running gDesklets on UBUNTU
[09:03] <Den-Dens> i get this as error /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[09:03] <Den-Dens>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[09:03] <Nermal> with what sensor / display ?
[09:04] <Den-Dens> it gives this error when i just type gdesklets in terminal
[09:04] <Den-Dens> and i tryed it with multiCPU display
[09:04] <Nermal> o
[09:05] <Den-Dens> i get a small bar but when i try to place it it just gives this error again
[09:05] <Den-Dens> any ideas
[09:05] <Den-Dens> i have tryed upgrading phyton but no change
[09:05] <chickenman> i got the compiled C++ file but i can't run it what file type do i change it to run in the terminal ?
[09:06] <malte> "[warn]  Init: (localhost.localdomain:443) You configured HTTP(80) on the standard HTTPS(443) port!" <- i get this even though i've "SSLEngine on" in my virtual host config, and list the certificate and rsa key file. is there anything else to it?
[09:07] <ali> I have innstallled the non free unrar, but when i right klikk on it and klikk on extract to, then i get the massege archive type not supported ..
[09:07] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, make sure it's chmod'ed to be executable. (e.g. chmod +x)
[09:07] <chickenman> ok
[09:07] <malte> http://obbel.se/~malte/virt_hos <- this is my virtual host config
[09:08] <Den-Dens> does anyone have an idea of how to fix the prob
[09:08] <DarthFrog> malte: For one thing, you have: SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl.key/obbel.se.csr
[09:08] <DarthFrog> That should be a CRT file, not your CSR.
[09:09] <malte> DarthFrog, oh. i'm not sure what the difference is though
[09:09] <malte> i followed a guide to generate a cert and a private key
[09:09] <DarthFrog> malte: One is the Certificate Signing Request that you submit to a signing authority.  The other is the certificate you get back from said signing authority.
[09:10] <malte> oh :)
[09:10] <chickenman> i just get a load of error lines even though i checked it all a number of times my self is there any other GUI C++ compiler i can use ?
[09:10] <malte> i suppose it's possible to generate one's own certificate which isn't signed?
[09:10] <DarthFrog> malte: Yes.
[09:10] <Xappe> woo, i'm buying a 300 GB hdd tomorrow, http://www.maxtor.com/portal/site/Maxtor/menuitem.ba88f6d7cf664718376049b291346068/?channelpath=/en_us/Products/ATA%20Hard%20Drives/Desktop/DiamondMax%2010
[09:11] <Xappe> going to rebuild my ubuntu system
[09:11] <sirukin> hmm
[09:11] <MobyTurbo> Xappe, what do you need 300G for, multimedia files?
[09:11] <Xappe> mhm
[09:11] <malte> DarthFrog, ok, i'm googling right now. do you think that's why ssl won't work btw? apache doesn't give any error messages at all
[09:11] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: What does need have to do with it? :-)
[09:11] <Den-Dens> ok Cu all then i' will try solving it on my own then
[09:11] <chickenman> i need a GUI C++ compiler other than G++ any one know where i can get one ?
[09:11] <LinuxJones> Xappe, I am thinking of getting a 128 meg usb key
[09:12] <Xappe> LinuxJones, :)
[09:12] <LinuxJones> whohhhhooooo
[09:12] <LinuxJones> :)
[09:12] <Juz_pass-n-thru> what is the command to remount a hd so you can remount it rw (running the live ubuntu cd to try to rescue an install for a friend
[09:12] <DarthFrog> malte: It might be.  You had better read your log files.  And you must have a Listen 443 statement in there somewhere.
[09:12] <LinuxJones> Juz_pass-n-thru, remount
[09:12] <DarthFrog> malte: I don't know Apache 2 at all.
[09:12] <Xappe> need space for both windows gaming, multimedia and cedega/linux gaming
[09:12] <Juz_pass-n-thru> that just made it ro again
[09:13] <phxguy> libpng... still there???
[09:13] <malte> DarthFrog, i have a Listen 443 elsewhere though
[09:13] <libpng> yes phxguy
[09:13] <malte> DarthFrog, ok, thanks anyway
[09:13] <phxguy> ok
[09:13] <MobyTurbo> Xappe, how good does cedega work?
[09:13] <DarthFrog> Juz_pass-n-thru: mount -n  -o remount,rw (drive) (mount point)
[09:13] <chickenman> can some one help please i need a C++ compiler other than G++
[09:13] <phxguy> i have restarted and my Windows Drive mounted ok but
[09:13] <Xappe> MobyTurbo, can't really tell, cause I have no room for new installs
[09:13] <phxguy> my External Drive did not mount
[09:13] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, what is wrong with g++?
[09:14] <phxguy> i got an error during bootup
[09:14] <libpng> what was it? phxguy
[09:14] <phxguy> mount: device special /mnt/sde1 device does not exist
[09:14] <chickenman> i compiled an run the file it made in terminal and it gave me a load of errors although the .cpp is fine
[09:15] <phxguy> then when i did that tail command i didn't see it listed as before
[09:15] <tritium> chickenman, the problem is not likely to be g++
[09:15] <DarthFrog> chickenman: If it gave you a load of errors, then something is wrong.
[09:15] <chickenman> well i know C++ and it's only 10 lines of code and i've checked it over and over again
[09:16] <chickenman> ill have one more check :S
[09:16] <DarthFrog> And it isn't likely to be g++.
[09:16] <tritium> why don't you paste the program on pastebin.org and we'll check it out for you
[09:16] <chickenman> :|  ehh
[09:16] <libpng> phxguy, i think it is using a module. and not loaded at boot. first u must find it. but i dont know which module it is using. ask here. may be someonehelp.
[09:17] <phxguy> libpng, So I Unplugged the usb cable and plugged it back in and this time nothing happened
[09:17] <phxguy> ok...
[09:17] <chickenman> you don't mind if i paste it on here do you it's only 9 lines ?
[09:17] <phxguy> also my Bluetooth Keybd stopped working... sure its amodule  or library or something
[09:18] <libpng> phxguy, take care at "dmesg | tail" when u unplugging and plugging it. and keep asking here:)
[09:18] <chickenman> #include <iostream>
[09:18] <chickenman> using namespace std;
[09:18] <chickenman> int main()
[09:18] <chickenman> {
[09:18] <chickenman>   cout<<"hello\n";
[09:18] <chickenman>   cin.get();
[09:18] <chickenman> }
[09:18] <chickenman> see any think wrong ?
[09:18] <phxguy> ok will do
[09:18] <Vjaz> chickenman: you need to return an int value
[09:18] <Vjaz> chickenman: not that it mostly makes a difference
[09:19] <ompaul> return 0; is good :)
[09:19] <chickenman> still it should work?
[09:19] <Vjaz> yeah
[09:19] <phxguy> does anyone here know about the maxtor onetouch usb drive???
[09:19] <phxguy> .
[09:19] <Nobuyuki`> well dudes, I'd like to thank you all with all the linux help, and teaching me how to do simple stuff like reconfigure xorg, thanks to you all I had figured out enough to try and configure my monitor settings manually
[09:19] <Nobuyuki`> which I managed to by guessing the hsync and vsync rates from a windows driver
[09:20] <chickenman> ill recompile with the return 0;
[09:20] <Vjaz> chickenman: how are you compiling it?
[09:21] <chickenman> /usr/bin/i386-linux-g++ /root/Desktop/test.cpp like that
[09:21] <tritium> chickenman, compiles fine
[09:21] <tritium> runs fine
[09:21] <chickenman> :|
[09:21] <phxguy> I am having troubles getting my Ext USB drive to Mount
[09:21] <tritium> chickenman, make sure you have build-essential installed
[09:22] <ompaul> chickenman, and now what are you going to do with at that nice cin.get?>
[09:22] <Vjaz> chickenman: why do you have a path like that for g++?
[09:22] <chickenman> it's in the /bin folder
[09:22] <tritium> it should be in your $PATH
[09:22] <ompaul> chickenman, why are you doing that as root for?
[09:22] <ompaul> ignore the for
[09:22] <Jesterace> my pretty desktop
[09:22] <Jesterace> http://jester.bluefire.org/images/ubuntu2.png
[09:22] <chickenman> i do a lot of things as root
[09:23] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, you shouldn't run X as root
[09:23] <ompaul> chickenman, you will learn
[09:23] <chickenman> i know that
[09:23] <ompaul> one day
[09:23] <Vjaz> chickenman: it's probably a good idea to use -o with g++ like: g++ foo.cpp -o foo
[09:23] <chickenman> what do you run it in i use gnome terminal ?
[09:23] <Vjaz> chickenman: I'm not sure, but isn't the a.out binary format different from elf?
[09:23] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, if you just don't want to type in passwords visudo sudo to not require them. At least you won't be breaking your system
[09:23] <Juz_pass-n-thru> where does ubuntu keep it's file that tells the box what window manager to boot, I think the guy has changes this one to kde and now it crashes on him
[09:24] <phxguy> I am having troubles getting my Ext USB drive to Mount. can somebody help me out???
[09:24] <farruinn> at least he doesn't use irc as root...
[09:24] <Vjaz> Juz_pass-n-thru: you can change it in the login screen
[09:24] <Jesterace> phxguy, it doesn't automount?
[09:24] <MobyTurbo> Vjaz, that's irrelevant, the "a.out" name of the executable is historical.
[09:24] <Vjaz> Juz_pass-n-thru: there's something like "Session" in the bottom of the screen
[09:24] <nmoore> once libdvdcss is installed, is there any more configuration to do?
[09:24] <Vjaz> MobyTurbo: hm, ok
[09:24] <nmoore> before i can play dvds
[09:24] <phxguy> Jesterace,  nope it doesn't...dont know why
[09:25] <Jesterace> any particular file system on it?
[09:25] <phxguy> ntfs
[09:25] <Jesterace> that's likely why
[09:25] <Jesterace> mines fat
[09:25] <chickenman> ill try run the new compile
[09:25] <phxguy> it Did automount earlier but then I added it to my fstab so it would automount on bootup
[09:25] <Jesterace> perhaps it's something in the fstab file
[09:25] <phxguy> now it wont mount Jesterace
[09:26] <phxguy> and my bluetooth keyboard isnt working
[09:26] <Vjaz> chickenman: btw, what processor does your system have?
[09:27] <chickenman> it get output to /usr/share/man/man1/test.1.gz is that right
[09:27] <chickenman> ehhh
[09:27] <chickenman> AMD-K6-2
[09:27] <chickenman> 550mhz
[09:27] <Vjaz> Hm, ok.
[09:27] <Juz_pass-n-thru> Vjaz: there ain't no loggin screen he's fubarred by last update he said
[09:27] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, "test" is already a program on your system.
[09:27] <chickenman> :O
[09:27] <chickenman> i change name
[09:28] <farruinn> Jesterace: you need to get yourself a Human themed xmms! ;)
[09:28] <phxguy> Jesterace, i think i am going to remove it from the fstab file
[09:28] <Vjaz> farruinn: wouldn't that look ugly given that the rest of the system is not human?
[09:29] <odo> is it just my imagination or are Ubuntu mirrors abit slow?
[09:29] <farruinn> Vjaz: is that not human gtk? (I haven't used gnome is a while)
[09:29] <Juz_pass-n-thru> what is the command line editor ubuntu has? there is no vi  no edit  ......
[09:29] <farruinn> I guess that is just default clearlooks...
[09:29] <chickenman> odo, unless your on 56k there fast
[09:29] <DarthFrog> Juz_pass-n-thru: try nano
[09:29] <Juz_pass-n-thru> tu
[09:29] <Vjaz> farruinn: no... human is very simple and brown
[09:30] <phxguy> well wish me luck gonna try to restart and see what happens
[09:30] <odo> chickenman: I'm on 10Mbit line an getting about 200kB/s, way slower than usual
[09:31] <MobyTurbo> odo, I'm on a 56K line. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you. ;-)
[09:31] <chickenman> :O im on 300K and it goes at 35/ks (my normal)
[09:31] <chickenman> 200kb/s is very fast :O
[09:32] <MobyTurbo> at 10MBPS things should go so fast that you get the file before you ask for it. ;)
[09:33] <odo> chickenman: it is slow compared to "normal"...few weeks back I got 900kB/s+ every time from Ubuntu's download servers...
[09:33] <chickenman> odo, i would be happy to swap any day ;)
[09:34] <tsume> question
[09:34] <odo> chickenman: :)
[09:34] <tsume> what is the root password to the default system?
[09:34] <chickenman> odo, how much does that cost ?
[09:35] <farruinn> tsume: there is none, it's disabled, you use sudo instead
[09:35] <tsume> farruinn: ...
[09:35] <farruinn> tsume: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo, it has all your answers =)
[09:35] <cocol> with userpaswd when aksed
[09:35] <odo> chickenman: 0 euros/month currently but real price is about 64 euros per month
[09:35] <tsume> farruinn: theres nothing wrong with root, Theo tgold me so ;)
[09:35] <chickenman> :P
[09:37] <chickenman> i tryed to whereis my program i compiled and it diden't come up with any think ?
[09:37] <tsume> umm
[09:37] <GeP> fuck windows
[09:37] <borgista> umm....ok GeP
[09:37] <tsume> the points they make on that page are moot
[09:37] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, root's $PATH doesn't include ./ by default
[09:38] <tsume> root is a plus
[09:38] <GeP> fuck mandrake too , viva ubuntu
[09:38] <borgista> ok...someone's angry
[09:38] <tsume> if at all
[09:38] <MobyTurbo> tsume, if I need su to root I just run sudo -s
[09:38] <tsume> sudo is a security hazard
[09:38] <chickenman> :( i just typed find at / :(
[09:38] <farruinn> tsume: then don't use sudo
[09:38] <tsume> MobyTurbo: I'll just reenable root
[09:39] <tsume> its more secure
[09:39] <MobyTurbo> tsume, sudo records to log files every command you run as root. su does not.
[09:39] <tsume> MobyTurbo: send patches
[09:39] <MobyTurbo> tsume, sudo is widely considered more secure.
[09:40] <tsume> MobyTurbo: by linux people
[09:40] <MobyTurbo> tsume, that's funny, BSD has sudo available too.
[09:40] <tsume> MobyTurbo: not by default
[09:40] <mikep> Gep: It appears you have a limited vocabulary.
[09:40] <MobyTurbo> tsume, it's the default on OS X
[09:40] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: there's no reason to argue over it, everyone has their own choice
[09:41] <tsume> MobyTurbo: MacOSX is bsd based, its not BSD
[09:41] <tsume> it uses the Mach + BSD kernel code
[09:41] <GeP> mikep yes
[09:41] <tsume> userlanf is freebsd5
[09:41] <farruinn> If the reasons for using sudo on the wiki aren't good enough for him it's not a big deal
[09:41] <MobyTurbo> tsume, many NetBSD boxes are configured to use sudo with pkgsrc
[09:41] <tsume> fbsd5 doesn't have sudo in the userland by default
[09:41] <GeP> i'm very limited in terms of vocabulary because of my small intelligence
[09:41] <DarthFrog> What's the big deal about sudo?
[09:42] <tsume> I'm tempted to add some comments to the wiki
[09:42] <DarthFrog> GeP: You're a bear of very little brain, eh? :-)
[09:42] <Funraiser> tsume u made ubuntuguide.org?
[09:42] <GeP> it's because of go, it destroyed all my neurons
[09:42] <tsume> stupid users don't need to worry about setting the root password if they aren't going to try remembering it
[09:43] <GeP> lol
[09:43] <farruinn> tsume: as you can see there is a section called "possible issues with this model", you could easily tack something onto that
[09:43] <tsume> farruinn: is there a gui for lilo, or do I need to modify the lilo config file?
[09:44] <tsume> farruinn: I wish there was a gui for everythihng ;)
[09:44] <farruinn> I have no idea, I've never used lilo in my life
[09:44] <tsume> well
[09:44] <tsume> I take that back
[09:44] <farruinn> there's a gui for grub I think...
[09:44] <tsume> I wish there was a User friendly gui just to make simple changes
[09:44] <tsume> farruinn: GRUB wouldn't work with my laptop
[09:44] <farruinn> I see
[09:44] <tsume> farruinn: would hang at boot
[09:44] <tsume> GRUB
[09:44] <tsume> and thats it
[09:45] <MobyTurbo> I kind of like lilo's menuless mode better than grub, it really is invisable then. On the other hand lilo is easier to break (assuming of course both work on your system)
[09:50] <tsume> MobyTurbo: lilo has a graphical mode
[09:50] <Marble2> How do I get my mouse working so I can use mouse3,4, and 5 like in windows?
[09:51] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  Edit /etc/X/xorg.conf and put the following line in:
[09:51] <DarthFrog> ZAxisMapping "4 5"
[09:52] <MobyTurbo> tsume, yes, if that's what you want. Since I don't have a windows partition I like the booter to stay out of my face except when I need it.
[09:53] <Marble2> DarthFrog: there is no x folder
[09:53] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  It's case sensitive.
[09:53] <Marble2> root@Greg:/etc # cd X
[09:53] <Marble2> bash: cd: X: No such file or directory
[09:53] <DarthFrog> Try X11
[09:53] <Marble2> there
[09:54] <Marble2> there is no xorg.conf though
[09:54] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Are you running Warty?  If so, it'll be called XFree86-4
[09:54] <Marble2> no, hoary
[09:54] <stuNNed> Marble2: install xserver-xorg
[09:55] <Marble2> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main xserver-xorg 6.8.2-2
[09:55] <Marble2>   404 Not Found
[09:55] <Marble2> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xserver-xorg_6.8.2-2_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[09:55] <Marble2> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[09:55] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  Do "apt-get update" first.
[09:55] <Marble2> k
[09:56] <PaO_sk8r> WOW 404 cool =)
[09:56] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, is there an XF86Config-4 there?
[09:56] <stuNNed> PaO_sk8r: 404?
[09:56] <DarthFrog> Marble2: And then you might want to consider doing "apt-get dist-upgrade".
[09:56] <Marble2> MobyTurbo: yes
[09:56] <Marble2> DarthFrog: what would that do?
[09:56] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, then you're running Warty?
[09:56] <Marble2> no
[09:56] <Marble2> hoary
[09:57] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, Hoary at present has xorg
[09:57] <DarthFrog> Marble2: That would upgrade your installation to the latest & greatest.  And, perhaps, break something temporarily.
[09:57] <Marble2> I installed xserver-xorg
[09:57] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Don't worry about breakage, though.  Just do it. :-)
[09:57] <Marble2> there is xorg.conf now
[09:57] <MobyTurbo> I only run warty though because I'm on dial-up
[09:57] <DarthFrog> So now restart X.
[09:58] <MobyTurbo> too much time to upgrade
[09:58] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Where are you located?
[09:58] <MobyTurbo> Brooklyn, NY
[09:59] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Across the continent from me, too bad.  :-)  If you were local, I'd say c'mon over and I'll burn a CD for you.
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> :-)
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> I've already used shipit.ubuntu.com to order my Hoary CD when it's released.
[09:59] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Unless you want to visit Vancouver, BC.  :-)
[09:59] <Marble2> DarthFrog: how do I restart x
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> DarthFrog, I have a friend who lives in Canada, central Canada though.
[10:00] <MobyTurbo> Ubuntu's CD shipping rocks
[10:00] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Logout, then hit CTL-ALT-Backspace.
[10:00] <Marble2> logout of what
[10:00] <Marble2> ubuntu?
[10:00] <Xappe> gnome
[10:00] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Yes.
[10:01] <DarthFrog> Or just hit CTL-ALT-Backspace, which will "reboot" the X server.
[10:02] <Marble2> done
[10:02] <Marble2> now what
[10:04] <clackki> need a little help here..
[10:04] <Marble2> DarthFrog: what do I do now
[10:04] <DarthFrog> Is it working?
[10:04] <clackki> Just can't remember how to install a deb packet :| need to install gtoaster..
[10:05] <Marble2> I didn't add the line yet...
[10:05] <Marble2> Was I supposed to do that before?
[10:05] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  Try it.  It probably works now.
[10:05] <Marble2> no
[10:06] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Check xorg.conf for "ZAxis Mapping "4 5""
[10:06] <Marble2> not found
[10:07] <vaijr2002> anyone in here run verlihub?
[10:07] <burbuja> hellos everyone
[10:07] <DarthFrog> Marble2: In the section Section "InputDevice", there should be a line, Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[10:07] <drspin> quick question about USB filesystem support
[10:08] <markybob> the torrent for hoary preview install amd64 listed in http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/  isnt working.  anyone know of a working torrent?
[10:08] <Marble2> DarthFrog: I do have         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "6 7"
[10:08] <Marble2> in there
[10:08] <Marble2> do I add that in addition
[10:09] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Ah, I don't know.  I've never had such a fancy mouse. :-)
[10:09] <DarthFrog> Marble2: I shouldn't think so.
[10:09] <Marble2> It's an MX500
[10:09] <Marble2> The buttons don't work the way I want
[10:10] <Marble2> you know how in windows when you're browsing the web you can have it so mouse3 brings up the little thing so you can just move your mouse to scroll?
[10:10] <Marble2> How do I make mine do that
[10:10] <Marble2> and how do I make mouse 4 and mouse 5 back and forward
[10:10] <DarthFrog> No, I don't know, sorry.
[10:10] <drspin> can I resize the NTFS filesystm on my USB?
[10:10] <drspin> safely?
[10:11] <pinPoint> ok i have the os up
[10:11] <spades> Marble2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:11] <farruinn> drspin: the second question I can anser: no =)
[10:11] <drspin> bummer :(
[10:11] <MobyTurbo> drspin, parted can resize NTFS. I don't know how you define safely though.
[10:11] <farruinn> or I could answer it...
[10:11] <drspin> no data loss
[10:11] <Marble2> spades: thanks, will that work for an MX500 though?
[10:11] <drspin> no data loss == safe
[10:12] <spades> Marble2: it works for me on my ge generic 5 button mouse
[10:12] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Parted can do NTFS?  I didn't know that.
[10:12] <MobyTurbo> drspin, resizing a partition is always risky.
[10:12] <chickenman> can some one tell me where the hell my compiled C++ files go im using /usr/bin/i386-linux-g++ then /root/Desktop/program123.cpp
[10:12] <spades> Marble2: backup the config file toreplace it if it doesnt just incase
[10:13] <Marble2> ok
[10:13] <kotatsu> /root/Desktop
[10:13] <kotatsu> awesome
[10:13] <MobyTurbo> DarthFrog, I believe so. I haven't tried it, as the last time I resized an NTFS partition I did it with partition magic before I knew of parted
[10:13] <treke> chickenman:it'll be in a file called a.out in the current directoryi
[10:13] <runedude> hi y'all.
[10:14] <runedude> runedude@deadram:~ $ su
[10:14] <runedude> Password:
[10:14] <runedude> su: Authentication failure
[10:14] <runedude> Sorry.
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> kotatsu, there's nothing awesome about running X as root. It's a Bad IDea
[10:14] <runedude> Whenever I try to su
[10:14] <runedude> I get that
[10:14] <da_root> when i want mount a network drive with fs type smbfs i got the error that the fs type is wrong! what i have to install to use this fstype? i'm sure that the fs type is the right one!
[10:14] <kotatsu> MobyTurbo: I guess my sarcasm was missed =(
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> runedude, use sudo
[10:14] <runedude> And I know I'm typing the pass correctly.
[10:14] <pinPoint> runedude: use your default pass
[10:14] <pinPoint> regular users
[10:14] <farruinn> chickenman: I think what you want to do is g++ file.cpp -o programname
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> kotatsu, SDNWOTN
[10:14] <runedude> my passworrd for "runedude" ?
[10:14] <pinPoint> or do passwd on Root Terminal to change pass
[10:14] <_Demian_> I'm upgrading to hoary
[10:14] <_Demian_> should I upgrade bash as well?
[10:14] <kotatsu> wow, there's an acronym =P what's it mean?
[10:14] <farruinn> chickenman: then you can execute it by running './programname'
[10:14] <runedude> i can login to "root" easily, by ssh
[10:14] <da_root> do i have to install smb?
[10:14] <runedude> but it doesnt like when I ssh
[10:14] <_Demian_> it's asking me
[10:14] <kotatsu> oh wait
[10:15] <kotatsu> sarcasm doesn't work over the net
[10:15] <kotatsu> ?
[10:15] <MobyTurbo> kotatsu, you got it
[10:15] <kotatsu> damn I'm good
[10:15] <runedude> what's the correct usage of sudo?
[10:15] <treke> sudo commandtorun
[10:15] <kotatsu> I was hoping my statement was obvious enough to bypass that rule though =D
[10:15] <runedude> i dont want to "run a command"
[10:15] <MobyTurbo> or sudo -s for a shell
[10:15] <DarthFrog> runedude: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:15] <runedude> I want to login and have a bash shell as root
[10:15] <runedude> :|
[10:15] <MobyTurbo> runedude, sudo -s
[10:15] <farruinn> runedude: have you set a root password?
[10:15] <runedude> farruinn, yes
[10:16] <da_root> can someone help me?
[10:16] <runedude> infact
[10:16] <runedude> it stopped working, su, as soon as I installed cPanel Layer1
[10:16] <inc> sup channel
[10:17] <DarthFrog> farruinn: http://www.tuxcards.de/
[10:17] <inc> any have experience with tape drives?
[10:18] <DarthFrog> inc: Yes
[10:18] <DarthFrog> inc: Only SCSI drives, though.
[10:18] <inc> this one is an ide, i'm confused if i need to mount it
[10:18] <MobyTurbo> inc, no, but I remember when tape was the choice method of shipping distros
[10:18] <inc> if so what file system
[10:18] <farruinn> runedude: is that what you installed, tuxcards? apt-cache show cpanel is something very differenent... :)
[10:18] <DarthFrog> inc: You don't mount it.
[10:19] <motuline> Can anyone tell me why I have no sound in Mplayer.. :o
[10:19] <runedude> farruinn, I did wget http://layer1.cpanel.net/latest and did sh latest and let it run overnight
[10:19] <runedude> It installed cPanel, then su wont work.
[10:19] <inc> thought so... i run tar cvf /dev/hdd /home/  and get this tar: /dev/hdd: Wrote only 8192 of 10240 bytes
[10:19] <runedude> btw, what should "su" be chmodded to? 755?
[10:19] <pinPoint> mwwahahaha
[10:20] <Echylo> gnight
[10:20] <pinPoint> got ndiswrapper working
[10:20] <kotatsu> inc: wrong command
[10:20] <linuxg0d> muhahahahhaa
[10:20] <motuline> sounds work with xine but they wont work with mplayer
[10:20] <inc> kotatsu: ok
[10:20] <kotatsu> tar cvf (filename).tar /path/to/files
[10:20] <MobyTurbo> runedude, it needs to be suid root
[10:20] <inc> kotatsu: i'm trying to tar to tape not a file
[10:20] <kotatsu> oh
[10:20] <kotatsu> hdd is a tape drive? hrm
[10:21] <runedude> ok
[10:21] <inc> that's what dmesg shows
[10:21] <inc> fstep calles it /media/cdrom1
[10:21] <inc> fstab^
[10:23] <inc> MobyTurbo: so you remember anything from your tape drive days
[10:23] <inc> hah
[10:23] <chickenman> i tryed g++ /root/Desktop/program123.cpp -o prog123 and i search root and desktop but there was no hidden file or other file where should the file go if i compiled it from /root/Desktop ??
[10:23] <MobyTurbo> inc, I remember seeing Slackware and thinking "that sure looks bloated"
[10:23] <treke> a.out in the current direcoty
[10:23] <farruinn> chickenman: are you using hoary?
[10:23] <chickenman> no warty :P
[10:23] <treke> er prog123 in the current directory
[10:23] <Marble2> how do I make ubuntu stop opening the stuff I had open before I rebooted/logged out when I log back in
[10:23] <Marble2> ?
[10:24] <inc> MobyTurbo, now everything is like 4 cds
[10:24] <motuline> [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy <- I Don't have any programs on that blocks sound card :o
[10:24] <Marble2> motuline: what application are you running?
[10:24] <MobyTurbo> inc, except Ubuntu. :-)
[10:24] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Configure Gnome to not save the current session upon logout.
[10:24] <markybob> the torrent for hoary preview install amd64 listed in http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/  isnt working.  anyone know of a working torrent?
[10:24] <Marble2> how do I do that DarthFrog?
[10:24] <farruinn> chickenman: 'g++ source.cpp -o prog123 ; ./prog123'
[10:24] <inc> Marble2: i think that's when you shutdown when it asks you to save the settings
[10:24] <DarthFrog> Marble2: I don't know.  I don't run Gnome.
[10:24] <spades> Marble2: uncheck the save session on logout
[10:24] <motuline> Marble2: I'm trying to get Mplayer play sounds
[10:25] <chickenman> i've serch root and Desktop no hidden file like that
[10:25] <treke> then it isn't building
[10:25] <Marble2> motuline: configure it to use esd
[10:25] <Marble2> spades: it's not checked
[10:25] <treke> it will be in your current directory if it compiled
[10:25] <treke> check for compiler errors
[10:25] <chickenman> no errors
[10:25] <Marble2> someone told me to do ctrl+alt+backspace at the uh login screen for gnome
[10:25] <Marble2> what does that do>
[10:26] <markybob> Marble2, ctrl+alt+backspace shuts X down
[10:26] <treke> chickenman: then it will be in your current directory. There really isn't any other place for it to go
[10:26] <Marble2> oh ok
[10:26] <pinPoint> dude
[10:26] <spades> Marble2: computer>desktop prefs> session
[10:26] <pinPoint> i just changed my nic to static and it cant ping my other desktop
[10:26] <spades> uncheck it here
[10:26] <spades> there*
[10:27] <farruinn> chickenman: I just built what you posted earlier and it worked fine: 'g++ source.cpp -o prog ; ./prog'
[10:27] <chickenman> :| hmmm
[10:27] <Marble2> where's this at spades?
[10:27] <Marble2> I can't find it
[10:27] <Mitario> hi guys
[10:27] <spades> Marble2: go to run application and type gnome-session-properties
[10:28] <Marble2> never mind
[10:28] <Mitario> anyone have an idea in which package the macro AC_DEFINE_DIR is located?
[10:28] <Marble2> thankst
[10:28] <Marble2> spades: I don't see a checkbox for that
[10:28] <pinPoint> im getting No Route to Host
[10:29] <pinPoint> ftp>open <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:29] <farruinn> Mitario: what are you trying to build?
[10:29] <chickenman> so if i compile from /root/Desktop/program123 i will find it in /root/desktop/.<outputname> ?
[10:29] <Mitario> farruinn, gnome-applets
[10:29] <inc> so anyone got a url with good info on tape drives?
[10:30] <farruinn> Mitario: sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-applets
[10:30] <spades> Marble2: if it isnt the 3rd checkbox then i dont know where to set it, try a normal logout and dont save the session and see if it defaults it
[10:30] <Marble2> ok
[10:30] <chickenman> ??
[10:30] <Mitario> farruinn, good one :-)
[10:30] <treke> chickenman: no
[10:30] <chickenman> :|
[10:30] <treke> it will be in /oot/desktop
[10:30] <erik> anyone who is familiar with the make command
[10:31] <Marble2> ugh
[10:31] <Marble2> still brought my stuff back spades
[10:31] <chickenman> this is messing up!
[10:31] <chickenman> there
[10:32] <Mitario> bah still getting the error, also after installing the build-deps for gnome-applets
[10:32] <spades> Marble2: i dont know then, sorry
[10:32] <chickenman> ahhhh i've found an a.out in / :D
[10:32] <zion> hola, just installed ubuntu and I need to get the hpoj package (for a usb printer)
[10:33] <Marble2> thanks anyway
[10:33] <zion> its in debian, but not ubuntu
[10:33] <farruinn> erik: what's up?
[10:33] <farruinn> zion: have you checked to make sure it's not a different name?
[10:33] <treke> if you specified -o, it will use that fileanem and not a.out
[10:33] <drspin> why can't I view my USB drive except as root?
[10:33] <zion> farruinn: if its a diff name, what would it be?
[10:34] <chickenman> it's worked thanks a lot treke and farruinn :D
[10:34] <treke> enjoy
[10:34] <zion> farruinn: all docs on the wiki say 'hpoj' ...
[10:34] <markblaine> I keep getting an error with amixer.  It says Invalid Card number.  Can this be fixed?
[10:34] <farruinn> zion: it's in the universe repository
[10:35] <zion> farruinn: ok... any docs on how to use that?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> zion: it's in universe (warty)
[10:35] <farruinn> zion: go to synaptic and make sure all the repositories are enabled
[10:35] <motuline> Marble2: I have no esd in mplayers -ao list
[10:35] <farruinn> zion: then be sure to hit the reload button if you're in warty
[10:35] <thoreauputic> zion: apt-cache policy hpoj
[10:35] <thoreauputic>  500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[10:35] <motuline> Available audio output drivers:
[10:36] <motuline>         mpegpes DVB audio output
[10:36] <motuline>         oss     OSS/ioctl audio output
[10:36] <motuline>         null    Null audio output
[10:36] <motuline>         pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output
[10:36] <motuline>         plugin  Plugin audio output
[10:36] <motuline> there is only those drivers
[10:36] <motuline> :o
[10:37] <erik> farruinn: i tried to get my modem to work according a guideline, now i have to "make" source code
[10:38] <Marble2> Anyone know how I can make gnome not remember my applications and restart them after a reboot/logout? I am not checking the box when I go to logout
[10:38] <chickenman> erik, you using 56k ?
[10:38] <farruinn> Marble2: make sure they're not set in the Session preferences
[10:38] <Marble2> I don't see an option in session prefs
[10:38] <erik> no, adsl etech v2 usb modem under windows now, i like to step over to ubuntu
[10:38] <Marble2> except for startup programs, but that is blank
[10:39] <chickenman> erik, can it run on ethernet ?
[10:39] <erik> no, i run it now on win98 and internetsharing to my laptop
[10:40] <chickenman> erik, does it have another port for ethernet on the back ?
[10:40] <erik> noop
[10:41] <chickenman> erik, to bad USB modem just do not work with linux i've tryed you will need ethernet
[10:42] <erik> yeah, it's just the sport. I found http://accessrunner.sourceforge.net/index.shtml and that should work
[10:42] <erik> now i have to use make. only i don't know how
[10:42] <farruinn> erik: you'll need to apt-get install build-essential at the very least
[10:43] <chickenman> your best bet though is go out and buy an ethernet modem and a nic card if you don't have one
[10:43] <farruinn> look in the source, there should be files like INSTALL and README, you'll want to read them =)
[10:43] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[10:43] <Marble2> can anyone help me with my problem in gnome?
[10:43] <erik> chickenman: i know, but i just wanted to give it a try
[10:44] <ells> tritium: got a question. how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
[10:44] <dabi> emn.. where can i change root's psw?
[10:44] <CarlK_> just did the first half of hoary install from CD, ejected, reboot, it wants the CD, and has some "typos" or something - is there a way I can capture the tty1 console screen from tty2? - otherwise Ihave to do this http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/e/p1010002.jpg - which is just silly
[10:44] <chickenman> there is a number of ways to get past it but no one has got off there as and programed some think good to run USB modems
[10:45] <chickenman> ass*
[10:46] <tullinga> any reason to why this command "make-kpkg clean " would not work correct on version 5.04 PPC?
[10:46] <Marble2> Why is gnome remembering my applications even after I logout/reboot?
[10:46] <ells> anyone know how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
[10:46] <chickenman> a ethernet modem should cost around 35 and a nic card 5
[10:47] <erik> you're right, but anyway i like to know how to use the make
[10:47] <DARKHalf__> can someone help me? i installed packages, but cannot see them in my menus
[10:47] <zion> cool that universal thing worked... thnx
[10:47] <CarlK_> erik- type make and hit enter
[10:47] <chickenman> erik, go download the full ubuntu warty CD (512MB)
[10:47] <chickenman> thats what i did :)
[10:48] <CarlK_> erik - that is how you "use" it.  doesn't mean you have it and all of it's depandancies installed, or how to write make files, which is a different Q
[10:48] <LinuxJones> DARKHalf__, you running warty or hoary ?
[10:49] <ells> anyone know how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
[10:49] <erik> CarlK_: i tried and it runs but i get CC [M]   /home/erik/usbatm/usbatm.o
[10:49] <erik> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
[10:49] <erik> make[2] : *** [/home/erik/usbatm/usbatm.o]  Fout 127
[10:49] <erik> make[1] : *** [_module_/home/erik/usbatm]  Fout 2
[10:49] <erik> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-3-k7'
[10:49] <pinPoint> WHT
[10:49] <DARKHalf__> i'm running warty
[10:49] <farruinn> erik: have you installed build-essential?
[10:49] <pinPoint> i just installed my wireless nic
[10:49] <dabi> i have philips mp3 key006, xp detects it as an mass storage, how can i use it on ubuntu?
[10:49] <erik> searching for it
[10:49] <pinPoint> rebooted an there is nothing in networking anymore
[10:49] <farruinn> DARKHalf__: in some cases you need to log out then log back into gnome
[10:50] <LinuxJones> DARKHalf__,  open nautilus and type applications:/// (I think)
[10:50] <farruinn> DARKHalf__: in other cases you may have to add the menu item from the applications:/// place
[10:50] <chickenman> pinPoint, eww wireless why diden't you get a plug it one much cheaper
[10:50] <tullinga> any reason to why this command "make-kpkg clean " would not work correct on version 5.04 PPC?
[10:51] <pinPoint> ???
[10:51] <dabi> how can i install usb mass storage/mp3? it uses fat16
[10:51] <gfxstyler> hey
[10:51] <pinPoint> nic is active
[10:51] <tullinga> I am trying to compile the kernel
[10:51] <pinPoint> but it wont dhcp
[10:51] <gfxstyler> is there a way to edit the gnome menu ? i want to add gxine
[10:51] <pinPoint> shit shit shit
[10:51] <farruinn> DARKHalf__: fyi, last time I tried in warty, the launcher wouldn't necessarily show up once you've added it to the right place in applications:///, again a logout-login fixed
[10:51] <pinPoint> how do i bring it up
[10:52] <farruinn> gfxstyler: in hoary?
[10:52] <pinPoint> ifup wlan0
[10:52] <gfxstyler> farruinn: yes
[10:52] <pinPoint> says its already configured
[10:52] <DARKHalf__> ok, i'll try relogin
[10:52] <pinPoint> nothing but false hope
[10:52] <dabi> how can i install usb mass storage/mp3?
[10:53] <farruinn> gfxstyler: the menu system has changed and as of yet there isn't a way to modify menus from within gnome
[10:53] <gfxstyler> dabi: if you plug it in it should be on the destkop (at least its for me) otherwise have a look at /dev/sda
[10:53] <gfxstyler> farruinn: oh, thats sad, but thanks for the info :)
[10:53] <farruinn> gfxstyler: some people have made some python/gtk apps that do the job though, use at your own risk of course
[10:54] <LinuxJones> dabi, you will have to load the fat driver I suspect as well
[10:54] <dabi> gfxstyler: not in desktop and there is no /dev/sda
[10:54] <dabi> hmm how?
[10:54] <LinuxJones> sudo modprobe fat
[10:54] <gfxstyler> dabi: if i plug in my mp3 player or usb stick it appears on the desktop and i can access it via /dev/sda
[10:54] <tritium> ells, hey, sorry.  I was away.
[10:55] <dabi> gfxstyler: rare.. mine doesnts.. did on mdk..
[11:01] <BigIslandVegan> hi everybody
[11:02] <dabi> hi mr BigIslandVegan ;)
[11:02] <BigIslandVegan> :-p
[11:03] <munki> anybody knows a nice dvd-ripper, that rip's a dvd file to avi or mpg ?
[11:03] <munki> maybe divX or svcd?
[11:03] <LinuxJones> munki, dvdrip
[11:03] <munki> dvdrip
[11:03] <munki> heh..
[11:03] <LinuxJones> :)
[11:03] <munki> okay :)
[11:04] <dabi> munki: try www.afterdawn.com theres many
[11:04] <munki> Why didn't I guess that ?
[11:04] <LinuxJones> munki, I think it's in the mirillat repository
[11:04] <munki> ok thank LinuxJones
[11:04] <phxguy> does anyone know how to get my trashcan onto m y desktop?
[11:04] <motuline> Can I configure cedega to use esd sounds?
[11:05] <Marble2> oh my god
[11:05] <Marble2> how do I just reset all the gnome sessions to default
[11:05] <Marble2> like they were on install
[11:05] <armando> Anyone able to tell me how to install hoarty (or whatever its name is?)... total linux newb :)
[11:05] <Marble2> I messed something up
[11:05] <Marble2> my mouse doesn't work at the splash screen, it's saving my damn applications, ugh
[11:06] <LinuxJones> armando, there are problems with Hoary sometimes
[11:06] <LinuxJones> armando, best to wait a few weeks till it is released as stable
[11:06] <armando> linuxjones: But I need to install xfree86 to get the drivers I need for my ATI Radeon 345M Mobility card.
[11:07] <LinuxJones> armando, ok, I will tell you if you really want
[11:07] <armando> linuxjones thanx :)
[11:07] <phxguy> I would like to have my trashcan on my desktop... can someone help?
[11:07] <LinuxJones> armando, in console type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[11:08] <Marble2> how do I just reset all the gnome sessions to default
[11:08] <Marble2> like they were on install?
[11:09] <munki> LinuxJones: got some error, when trying to install transcode for dvdrip
[11:09] <munki> Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[11:09] <munki> and same for libvorbis0
[11:09] <armando> linuxjoines gives me an error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[11:10] <LinuxJones> phxguy, change the line that has warty in it to this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[11:10] <LinuxJones> philly, sorry that was for you armando
[11:11] <LinuxJones> god phxguy :(
[11:11] <phxguy> where do I change that Line @
[11:11] <phxguy> hmmm
[11:11] <LinuxJones> phxguy, sorry that was for someone else
[11:11] <phxguy> ok thought it might be
[11:11] <Marble2> how do I reset all the gnome session bs to default, anyone know?
[11:11] <LinuxJones> phxguy, you can add it to the panel ?
[11:11] <armando> linuxjones gives me a blank text file
[11:11] <calavera> i'm guessing that if i use the 2.6.11-1-686 kernel (hoary) and i get a lot of "schedulingn while atomic" in the kernel log right before X crashes the system, then i need to compile my own version of the kernel without preempt (at least on the big lock). or am i completely off track on this one?
[11:12] <BigIslandVegan> anybody have experience or knowledge regarding with internet access through their bluetooth phone. I can do it when I start up into Mac OS X but I don't know yet how to work with the bluez and utils that I installed via synaptic yesterday
[11:12] <phxguy> LinuxJones, right now it is showing in the bottom right corner where the 'windoze systray" would be
[11:12] <phxguy> but i would like to have a nice big icon on my desktop
[11:12] <Marble2> anyone?
[11:12] <Sander__> calavera, I tried the k7 version and I had the same problem. 2.6.10-3 has been very good to me, but I wanted to see if suspend to ram was working.
[11:13] <LinuxJones> armando, it's case sensitive, do sudo /etc/apt/sour(tab)  {the tab will fill in the blanks}
[11:13] <calavera> Sander__: unfortunately i can not use the ubuntu patched kernel. something in the ide driver does not like my machine
[11:13] <vaijr2002> eeek
[11:13] <BigIslandVegan> sorry, "regarding accessing the internet..."
[11:13] <vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager:
[11:13] <vaijr2002>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[11:14] <vaijr2002> what did i dooooooo?
[11:14] <vaijr2002> i cant install stuff lol
[11:14] <LinuxJones> vaijr2002, use synaptic that's only for updates
[11:14] <th3cl3aner> is there a list of wireless card supported for laptops
[11:16] <Marble2> how do I reset all the gnome session bs to default, anyone know?
[11:16] <calavera> is there a binary package for an unpatched 2.6.10 somewhere? i don't particularly feel like rolling my own kernel tonight
[11:16] <LinuxJones> Marble2, you have a bunch of applications opening up when Gnome starts ?
[11:17] <memcmeme> Well I have been using Ubuntu for a day, I am life long MS and apple user
[11:17] <memcmeme> and I can honestly say Ubuntu is superior
[11:17] <LinuxJones> memcmeme, :)
[11:17] <Terrasque> memcmeme: welcome to the club :-)
[11:17] <memcmeme> The Linux version of Celestia is a LOT more advanced than the windows version
[11:18] <phxguy> so how do i get an icon onto my desktop of the trash can
[11:19] <memcmeme> well I got to run to class
[11:19] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody with Bluetooth experience? :-)
[11:19] <memcmeme> later
[11:19] <Marble2> LinuxJones: yes
[11:19] <Marble2> and my mouse won't work at the splash screen
[11:19] <Marble2> where i login
[11:19] <phxguy> I have a bluetooth keyboard that worked at first but isn't working anymore......
[11:19] <djst> what's wrong with the update manager? every day there are like 50 new updates...
[11:19] <djst> is that really for real??
[11:19] <Marble2> djst: yes
[11:20] <djst> whoa.. i'm glad i'm not on a modem then
[11:20] <_Demian_> I've got a problem
[11:20] <BigIslandVegan> phxguy, maybe it's one of those things that is in flux while they are coming up with a stable version
[11:20] <_Demian_> my resolution is 640x480
[11:20] <_Demian_> and that's it
[11:20] <_Demian_> I can't change it :(
[11:20] <BigIslandVegan> i wish to get online through my motorola v600 using bluetooth, since ubuntu doesn't yet support airport extreme
[11:20] <munki> f~LinuxJones, you got the source-line for merillat you can paste for me ? :)
[11:20] <phxguy> maybe.... but ive tried other distro and it worked fine once i was logged in.... well we will have to wait and see i suppose
[11:20] <Ubuntu-Taliban> hello
[11:21] <Marble2> LinuxJones: the mouse not working at login is the biggest thing though
[11:21] <Marble2> do you know how to fix it?
[11:21] <phxguy> BigIslandVegan,  let me know how that goes... i have the same phone
[11:21] <armando> linuxjones ok got it :)
[11:22] <BigIslandVegan> hmm, certainly, you using ppc or x86?
[11:22] <BigIslandVegan> it may not matter, just wondering
[11:22] <phxguy> x86
[11:22] <_Demian_> can anyone advise?
[11:22] <_Demian_> plz
[11:22] <_Demian_> this sucks :)
[11:23] <BigIslandVegan> ok
[11:23] <munki> okay, anybody that would be nice to me, paste the merillat-line from the source-list to me
[11:23] <munki> please :)
[11:23] <BigIslandVegan> what service provider?
[11:23] <phxguy> so does anyone know how to get the trashcan onto the desktop
[11:23] <armando> linuxjones ok, thats done, now what?
[11:23] <phxguy> Legacy AT&T
[11:23] <Jesterace> heh my update monitor tells me there is one update availible then it keeps telling me i'm up to date
[11:24] <djst> anyone here good at solving problems with the nvidia driver? i'm having a major problem since about the day i installed ubuntu (hoary preview release)...
[11:24] <BigIslandVegan> hmm, you looked into t-mobile? much cheaper
[11:24] <BigIslandVegan> for internet access through the phone
[11:24] <munki> Jesterace: run apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:24] <phxguy> thier servcice here sucks
[11:24] <LinuxJones> armando, sudo synaptic
[11:24] <lprofil_> try it the manual with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:24] <phxguy> very patchy
[11:24] <BigIslandVegan> bummer
[11:24] <BigIslandVegan> seems to work well on this island
[11:24] <Jesterace> says thing to iinstall
[11:24] <djst> my problem is it just won't start anymore. it worked the first day i installed, then after the package manager had updated packages a couple of hundred times ( ;) ) it just stopped working
[11:24] <phxguy> besides i still have time on my contract
[11:25] <LinuxJones> armando, you have to save the file first
[11:25] <JDigital> Hey ssh-experts. Can anyone help me with my problem: Here it is: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20
[11:25] <JDigital> It's some kind of thing that my ssh doesn't work
[11:25] <djst> anyway has any clue whatsoever about the nvidia driver not starting?
[11:25] <JDigital> (ssh)
[11:25] <BigIslandVegan> yeah, i waited mine out too, long time
[11:25] <BigIslandVegan> well, actually, i was well into my month to month when i changed
[11:25] <BigIslandVegan> over a year i think :-)
[11:25] <djst> i'll write a review about ubuntu hoary soon and this is about the only negative part of my install actually
[11:26] <phxguy> i still have about 6 mos left
[11:26] <Jesterace> djst, how did you install the drivers?
[11:26] <Jesterace> apt-get ?
[11:26] <NeoGeo64> hi how do i find and change my root password
[11:26] <NeoGeo64> i just installed ubuntu 4.10
[11:26] <BigIslandVegan> well, you'll have new options soon :-)
[11:26] <djst> Jesterace:  i think the nvidia driver was included with the install actually... the thing i did was changing from "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[11:26] <LinuxJones> djst, in Hoary you mean ?
[11:26] <Jesterace> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:27] <Jesterace> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:27] <djst> LinuxJones:  yes, in hoary preview.. and the nvidia driver has worked, but only for one day.. after a reboot it just stopped
[11:27] <Jesterace> sudo apt-get nvidia-settings
[11:27] <Jesterace> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:27] <NeoGeo64> does anyone know
[11:27] <Jesterace> that's what i did to get my nvidia drivers working
[11:27] <LinuxJones> djst, unless you manually installed the nvidia driver you were probably using the open source nv driver
[11:27] <armando> linuxjones understood
[11:27] <JDigital> change it back to nv then
[11:27] <NeoGeo64> someone please help
[11:28] <LinuxJones> armando, so you have synaptic up ?
[11:28] <djst> Jesterace:  can i instruct it not to install it from the cd, but from the net?
[11:28] <Jesterace> NeoGeo64, your root password should be the same one as your user password
[11:28] <armando> linuxjones yup, but gave me an error that it couldnt find it.
[11:28] <phxguy> so can someone help me please
[11:28] <Jesterace> djst, that's the only place you'll find it
[11:28] <armando> linuxjones gonna see if I enetered the info correctly.
[11:28] <LinuxJones> armando, ok let's do it this way
[11:28] <mirak> hi
[11:28] <armando> linuxjones ok :)
[11:29] <Jesterace> there's two repositories that need enabling usually
[11:29] <mirak> does someone ever used the calbe select option on the hard drives ?
[11:29] <djst> Jesterace:  oh.. darn it then.. i'll have to find it on one of my 5 unlabelled cd-rw discs then..
[11:29] <LinuxJones> armando, in synaptic click Settings>>Repositories
[11:29] <Terrasque> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308 | what a lol article
[11:29] <LinuxJones> armando, that will open a new window
[11:29] <NeoGeo64> Jesterace:  It's not.
[11:29] <vaijr2002> i am still lost
[11:29] <Jesterace> djst, did you check out http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:29] <Jesterace> ?
[11:29] <djst> LinuxJones:  no, i changed from "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf, and that made the Nvidia splash screen appear and it started to work
[11:30] <Jesterace> NeoGeo64, that's wierd
[11:30] <vaijr2002> when i try to add remove programs. i get this....
[11:30] <Jesterace> so your sudo doesn't work
[11:30] <NeoGeo64> how would i retreve it
[11:30] <djst> Jesterace:  i'm on it, just trying to find that cd with the driver
[11:30] <JDigital> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20 <--- nearly a month and nobody has been able to solves this problem
[11:30] <armando> linuxjones ok, got it up.
[11:30] <vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install:
[11:30] <vaijr2002>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[11:30] <vaijr2002> right after i type my pw
[11:30] <Jesterace> it should be in the hoary universe
[11:30] <NeoGeo64> Yes, sudo works but su does not.
[11:30] <LinuxJones> djst, ok I also had problem with the latest 2.6??-5 kernel release + nvidia try installing the 2.6.?-4 kernel it worked for me.
[11:31] <Jesterace> my su doesn't work either
[11:31] <Jesterace> i just use sudo
[11:31] <NeoGeo64> Where is my XFree config file?  I want to change the default resoulution to 1280x1024.
[11:31] <Jesterace> or you can launch a root terminal
[11:31] <NeoGeo64> I miss su :(
[11:31] <Jesterace> NeoGeo64, /etc/X11/
[11:31] <LinuxJones> armando, ok go down to the entries that has a checkbox marked.
[11:31] <NeoGeo64> I'll devote more time to fixing su later.
[11:31] <vaijr2002> lol
[11:31] <vaijr2002>  help help
[11:31] <djst> LinuxJones, Jesterace:  so the nvidia driver doesn't work with the latest kernel?
[11:32] <LinuxJones> djst, for me no :(
[11:32] <vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install:
[11:32] <vaijr2002> vaijr2002  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[11:32] <vaijr2002> vaijr2002 right after i type my pw
[11:32] <djst> that would explain stuff...
[11:32] <Jesterace> djst, hrmm
[11:32] <LinuxJones> armando, look for the entry that looks like >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[11:32] <Jesterace> what's the latest kernel?
[11:32] <NeoGeo64> Where in the file do I specify my default resolution?
[11:32] <djst> Jesterace: what's that nvidia-common package?
[11:32] <DarthFrog> Jesterace: 2.6.11
[11:32] <Jesterace> i'm running 2.6.10-5-k7
[11:32] <armando> linuxjones ok, its downloading some update files.
[11:32] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:33] <Jesterace> djst, not sure
[11:33] <LinuxJones> armando, change the part that says warty with hoary and click ok
[11:33] <NeoGeo64> Where in the XFree86 config file do I specify my default resolution?
[11:33] <LinuxJones> armando, did you click reload ?
[11:33] <djst> Jesterace:  i'll have to reburn the cd again because i overwrote it already :(
[11:33] <Jesterace> ahh
[11:33] <xiglet> I'm getting some dependency problems after installing hoary array-7, did not have theese problems this the preview version. (with i.e the multiverse repository)
[11:33] <djst> Jesterace:  why isn't the package available, not even in the world repository?
[11:33] <Jesterace> djst, which ubuntu are you using?
[11:33] <Jesterace> warty or hoary?
[11:33] <djst> Jesterace:  hoary preview
[11:33] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:33] <armando> linux nope, it said that the list had change and if I wanted to update or something of like.
[11:34] <djst> Jesterace:  and nvidia is there in the repository, and i have the module
[11:34] <Jesterace> i'm running hoary and the nvidia driver installed fine
[11:34] <Jesterace> did you run
[11:34] <Jesterace> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:34] <djst> Jesterace:  it's just that it won't start, it tells me that i don'thave a working screen
[11:34] <Jesterace> and see if that does something
[11:34] <djst> Jesterace:  yes, i've tried that.. that's what nvidia-glx package told me to do in order to enable glx, but it has nothing to do with using the nvidia driver from what i can tell
[11:35] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:35] <LinuxJones> djst, I have a 32 meg GF2MX card and it doesn't work on that kernel release, for me anyways.
[11:35] <djst> Jesterace:  in order to use the nvidia driver, you should just have to change "nv" to "nvidia", which i did.. and which worked... until all of a sudden it stopped working :(
[11:35] <Jesterace> was there a kernel change?
[11:35] <conner> djst: what kernel are you using?
[11:35] <djst> LinuxJones:  that's exactly what i have.. almost.. 64 mb i think i have
[11:35] <Jesterace> i have a 256mb FX5500
[11:35] <Jesterace> kind of wasted in linux :P
[11:36] <Jesterace> works well with windows and games
[11:36] <calavera> Sander__: did you try rebuilding the 2.6.11-1 without the preemt on the big kernel lock?
[11:36] <djst> conner:  10-5-386
[11:36] <Jesterace> my other box has a 128mb radeon
[11:36] <armando> linuxjones ok it opens a list of repositories but doesnt show any checkboxes.
[11:36] <Sander__> calavera, no. I just use the regular binary kernels. I don't build unless I really have to.
[11:36] <djst> Jesterace:  i just don't get why it stopped working in the first place.. if i never had gotten it to work, i wouldn't feel as frustrated
[11:36] <Jesterace> true
[11:37] <LinuxJones> djst, maybe it's card specific, I can tell you that 2.6.10-4-k7 + nvidia work perfectly. You can easily download apt-get install linux-image
[11:37] <Jesterace> then again hoary isn't listed "stable" yet
[11:37] <Jesterace> there will be strange breakages
[11:37] <Jesterace> however mine was fine untill the update notifier
[11:37] <Jesterace> that won't go away now
[11:37] <djst> LinuxJones:  i will try.. i'm surprised it hasn't been downloaded already because I download like 50+ updates every day
[11:37] <calavera> Sander__: yeah. me too. but since neither of the kernels in hoary works for me, i think i have too try this now
[11:37] <Sander__> Is your machine a laptop or PC?
[11:38] <LinuxJones> djst, I mean downgrade your kernel-image so it works with nvidia
[11:38] <f00fbug> hmm... is there anyway to upgrade to hoary via apt?
[11:39] <LinuxJones> armando, this is killing me :D
[11:39] <xenonite> hi, what would you recommend for a windows switcher: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:39] <djst> LinuxJones:  ah i understand.. although i'm not very excited about downgrading the kernel... :(
[11:39] <armando> linuxjones its ok :) I better leave to catch a plane anyway :)
[11:39] <f00fbug> xenonite, kubuntu
[11:39] <armando> But your help has been most appreciated linuxjones :D
[11:39] <f00fbug> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:40] <xenonite> okay, anyone else?
[11:40] <calavera> xenonite: i think it depends on what kind of a user you are setting this up for. i think technically less inclined people might be a little more comfortable with gentoo
[11:40] <calavera> oops. i mean gnome
[11:40] <f00fbug> any1{
[11:40] <f00fbug> *?
[11:40] <LinuxJones> armando, sorry I havn't had any beer yet  :P >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[11:41] <xenonite> hm not any? f00fbug? some1?
[11:41] <xenonite> calavera: no not gentoo for that user please
[11:41] <calavera> xenonite: i meant to write gnome.
[11:41] <LinuxJones> djst, you won't be downgrading just installing the last kernel release, what kernel are you running now (uname -r) ?
[11:42] <mike998> calvera: you nearly had me with that gentoo remark
[11:42] <armando> linuxjones: lol have fun ;)
[11:42] <djst> LinuxJones: 10-5-386
[11:42] <LinuxJones> armando, :)
[11:42] <hawke_> xenonite: I'd recommend KDE, so I guess kubuntu.
[11:42] <garret_> questions about gpg key. Trying to add source from a debian source, keep getting the key error, any help?
[11:43] <calavera> mike998: yeah i don't know where that came from. gentoo is definitely not for technically less inclined users
[11:43] <f00fbug> ok
[11:43] <djst> LinuxJones:  but there are newer kernel versions out there.. so your suggestion would still be a downgrade, right?
[11:43] <garret_> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free
[11:43] <hawke_> xenonite: Though, gnome tends to be simpler, so that might be a plus.
[11:43] <LinuxJones> djst, ok sudo -s (password) apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[11:43] <f00fbug> i changed all the dists to hoary.. now if this is as good as debian is apt-get dist-upgrade should just work :D
[11:44] <calavera> xenonite: exactly. for your basic every-day tasks gnome is just simpler and less intimidating than kde
[11:44] <xenonite> yes gnome might be simpler, but she is a windows user now...
[11:44] <mike998> calvera: yeah, the thought of taking days just to get X up and running scares me
[11:44] <djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: you are right both of you.. installing nvidia-glx wants me to insert the cd, and it also wants me to install the old 2.6.10-4 kernel
[11:44] <Jesterace> really
[11:44] <LinuxJones> djst, argh sorry make that -4
[11:44] <f00fbug> KDE is more appealing to a win user imo
[11:44] <Jesterace> it's working fine with my -5  kernel
[11:44] <djst> Jesterace:  yes, appearantly it doesn't like new kernels
[11:45] <xenonite> f00fbug thats what i thought
[11:45] <Jesterace> with slackware i was able to install the nvidia driver with <IP_ADDRESS> kernel no issues
[11:45] <hawke_> xenonite: Simply the fact that it is different might help though...Some people adjust better when it's a lot different than when it's almost the same but not quite.
[11:45] <calavera> mike998: i was a gentoo user once. the compile-times weren't so bad for the most part. but after compiling kde for the umpteenth time i got fed up
[11:45] <djst> Jesterace:  although i have to try it, and the first step now is burning the cd and then do what the system tells me to.. then boot with the old kernel and make it work, then choose the new kernel and see if it stops working.. if it does, ..well at least i know more about it
[11:45] <djst> off to burn cd now, wish me good luck :)
[11:46] <xenonite> hawke_ that is a point
[11:46] <LinuxJones> gl :)
[11:46] <NeoGeo64> Help, how do I get the runlevel to 3 so I can install my nvidia drivers?  I tried sudo'ing init 3 but it doesn't do anything.
[11:46] <treke> Is there any good way to predict in what order ubuntu is going to load network devices?
[11:46] <will> NeoGeo64: jsut use the drivers from apt-get
[11:47] <xenonite> hm but if that user dont want to learn that much to get used to gnome
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> That doesn't satisfy me.
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> I want to learn.
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> :)
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> hehe
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> but thanks
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> lol
[11:47] <pipeline> The only thing you'll learn from the nvidia installer is the meaning of pain.
[11:47] <pipeline> Use apt-get or don't do it at all.
[11:47] <xenonite> kde has a better learning curve i thought
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> really?
[11:47] <pipeline> The installer thinks you're using redhat and craps all over your /usr filesystem.
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> ubuntu sucks.  i cant do anything manually.
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> im used to slackware
[11:47] <pipeline> Then use gentoo.  No skin off my back.
[11:47] <djst> hmm.. have to install k3b which includes 100 mb of required packages.. :( once again, glad i'mnot on a modem :)
[11:48] <will> NeoGeo64: its relatively easy to do - just build your own module as described in the install!
[11:48] <NeoGeo64> pipeline:  Fine.  I just might.
[11:48] <xenonite> NeoGeo64, swith runlevels via "init <NR>"
[11:48] <will> i did it no problems about 4 months ago on warty
[11:48] <NeoGeo64> I tried that, but it doesn't do anything.
[11:48] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:48] <will> try again!
[11:48] <hawke_> xenonite: depends on the user...presumably you know her better than me/us.  My general suggestion would be to go with KDE.
[11:48] <will> READ everything :)
[11:48] <pablo921> Is Ubuntu a plug and play OS? When I changed soundcards no sound until I reloaded ubuntu?
[11:49] <NeoGeo64> ubuntu reminds of me windows xp starter edition
[11:49] <xenonite> okay thank you
[11:49] <NeoGeo64> How do I apt-get the nvidia driver
[11:49] <f00fbug> pablo921, it should detect & load the prorer modules
[11:49] <xenonite> i thing i will present her both: a knoppix-kde and a ubuntu-live-cd
[11:49] <xenonite> and let her choose then
[11:50] <phxguy_> did this room die or was it just my connection?
[11:50] <f00fbug> xenonite, no
[11:50] <hawke_> xenonite: that makes sense to me.
[11:50] <f00fbug> a hoary live cd
[11:50] <pipeline> phxguy: It's all you, bud.
[11:50] <phxguy_> seems like it
[11:50] <pipeline> NeoGeo64: You'll have to use Debian Unstable packages.
[11:50] <f00fbug> iirc knoppix still uses 3.3
[11:50] <phxguy_> So can someone help me here
[11:50] <pablo921> Well I've got sound on that box now, but just front channels.
[11:50] <pipeline> NeoGeo64: I'd check the wiki if I were you.
[11:50] <f00fbug> and 3.4 is better :D
[11:50] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:50] <treke> xenonite: Why use knoppix over the kubuntu livecd?
[11:51] <NeoGeo64> time to COMPILE xmms from SOURCE
[11:51] <NeoGeo64> since ubuntu doesnt come with it
[11:51] <LinuxJones> phxguy, just slowed down I guess
[11:51] <xenonite> treke, i didnt knowe there is one
[11:51] <treke> NeoGeo64: it's in universe
[11:51] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, ubuntu comes with xmms
[11:51] <NeoGeo64> xmms: command not found.
[11:51] <phxguy_> think i got moofed or something
[11:51] <xenonite> treke, is kubuntu already sort of mature as in, say suse?
[11:51] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you have to install it dude
[11:52] <phxguy_> i downloaded xmms through synamptic thing
[11:52] <treke> actually it's in main and not universe
[11:52] <xenonite> f00fbug, of course hoary ;-)
[11:52] <treke> xenonite: Having not used suse, I wouldnt really know
[11:53] <f00fbug> xenonite, its not broken ;)
[11:53] <phxguy_> So how can I get my trashcan onto my desktop LinuxJones
[11:53] <xenonite> *g*
[11:53] <LinuxJones> phxguy_, you can right click your desktop then add a link to the /home/.trash folder
[11:53] <phxguy_> ok now i can fix my nick
[11:53] <xenonite> look, i used yoper linux once, and kde was very annoying there
[11:53] <xenonite> suse is better with kde
[11:53] <NeoGeo64> How do I get a list of packages
[11:53] <f00fbug> thats not fair :)
[11:53] <NeoGeo64> with apt-get
[11:54] <treke> apt-cache search xmms
[11:54] <bside>  /part
[11:54] <xenonite> (than yoper)
[11:54] <phxguy> LinuxJones, when i right click I dont get an option to create a link
[11:55] <f00fbug> ummmmmm
[11:55] <NeoGeo64> apt-search xmms returns the locations of a few shared libs
[11:55] <xenonite> f00fbug, u use kubuntu?
[11:55] <LinuxJones> phxguy_, create laucher
[11:55] <f00fbug> apt-get dist upgrade is gonna install xorg right?
[11:55] <LinuxJones> phxguy_,  under Type click link
[11:55] <xenonite> NeoGeo64, do a apt-cache search xmms
[11:55] <xenonite> but dont forget the sudo
[11:55] <f00fbug> xenonite, nah i use gentoo :) but i did use the live cd
[11:56] <xenonite> hm
[11:56] <conner> phxguy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#showdesktopicons
[11:56] <f00fbug> and it seemed pretty together
[11:56] <NeoGeo64> root@box:/home/tony # apt-cache search xmms
[11:56] <NeoGeo64> libflac4 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library
[11:56] <NeoGeo64> liboggflac1 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library (ogg)
[11:56] <NeoGeo64> libsmpeg0 - SDL MPEG Player Library - shared libraries
[11:56] <JDigital> Hey ssh-experts. Can anyone help me with my problem: Here it is: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20
[11:56] <LinuxJones> phxguy_,  on the command type /home/$USER/.Trash
[11:56] <tsume> hoary has the latest softaware, yhes?
[11:56] <xenonite> f00fbug, hehe from a gentoo-user's pov anything seems pretty stable ;)
[11:57] <tsume> where can I get kernel <IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:57] <f00fbug> debian stable should be changed from woody to relic ;)
[11:57] <f00fbug> xenonite, lol
[11:57] <phxguy> thanks LinuxJones and conner
[11:57] <davix> how do i install an rpm on ubuntu?
[11:57] <LinuxJones> conner, that was alot easier :)
[11:58] <thenuke> davix: with some tool named alien something
[11:58] <calavera> @find calavera
[11:58] <LinuxJones> davix, alien whatever.rpm
[11:58] <xenonite> davix, use alien
[11:58] <davix> tnx dudes
[11:59] <LinuxJones> davix, then dpkg -i whatever.deb
[11:59] <xenonite> hehe pretty fast here
[12:00] <phxguy> that worked!!! yeah =)