[09:28] <mzanetti> greyback: good morning. I addressed all your comments in the qtmir merge.
[09:28] <greyback> mzanetti: cool thanks
[09:29] <greyback> mzanetti: ah sorry I didn't realize there was a unity8 branch to go with it
[09:30] <mzanetti> greyback: no worries
[09:30] <mzanetti> greyback: if you want to test, it should be enough to copy Shell.qml from that unity8 branch to the device
[09:30] <mzanetti> no need to build a package
[09:30] <greyback> mzanetti: yep
[09:37] <mzanetti> huh... why does "df -h" not show my partitions any more?
[09:38] <mzanetti> only virtual file systems in there
[11:10] <facundobatista> Hola
[11:12] <mzanetti> Saviq: hey, want to have a look at those so we can get it approved before you're away: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/two_see_more_bugfix/+merge/234340/comments/572776
[11:12] <mzanetti> its really minor things
[12:44] <greyback> mzanetti: lifecycle fixes approved
[13:07] <MacSlow> Saviq, can you have a quick look at https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-notifications/synchronous-notification/+merge/229060
[13:08] <MacSlow> Saviq, I'm confused about that "automatic" merge that just happened
[13:09] <Saviq> MacSlow, you pushed to trunk
[13:09] <Saviq> MacSlow, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity-notifications/trunk
[13:09] <MacSlow> How?
[13:09] <MacSlow> Crap!
[13:11] <Saviq> MacSlow, will you resolve or shall I?
[13:11] <MacSlow> just doing that
[13:29] <MacSlow> Saviq, hm... kind of stuck with fixing the accidental merge...
[13:30] <Saviq> MacSlow, can I overwrite trunk?
[13:30] <Saviq> MacSlow, ugh, you overwrote?
[13:31] <Saviq> MacSlow, https://code.launchpad.net/~ps-jenkins/unity-notifications/ubuntu-utopic-proposed should be the good thing
[13:31] <MacSlow> Saviq, correct
[13:32] <Saviq> MacSlow, so yeah, take that branch and overwrite trunk
[13:32] <Saviq> MacSlow, and fix your bash history and push locations ;)
[13:33] <MacSlow> Saviq, yeah... hell knows how that happened... I always explicitly do "bzr push lp:~macslow/bla..."
[13:40] <MacSlow> Saviq, hm... fixed... but lp:unity-notifications on launchpad did not yet update
[13:43] <Saviq> MacSlow, indeed, it will catch up
[13:45] <MacSlow> phew... lp also updated now
[13:48] <mzanetti> greyback: thanks!
[14:10] <greyback> Saviq: we need an opinion:        void fn(int var) { Q_UNUSED(var); }            OR           void fn(int) {}
[14:12] <dandrader> Saviq, is that part of our word-of-mouth coding guidelines/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/8327396/
[14:12] <dandrader> ?
[14:13] <Saviq> dandrader, greyback, Q_UNUSED generally leads to Q_UNUSED being left around when it is, in fact, used
[14:14] <Saviq> I don't have a strong opinion but was leaning towards /**/
[14:14] <dandrader> Saviq, you mean later someone actually starts using a parameter but forgets to remove the corresponding Q_UNUSED() line?
[14:14] <Saviq> dandrader, yes
[14:15] <dandrader> Saviq, greyback, hmm, makes sense
[14:20] <mterry> mzanetti, do you know how to anchor an element of the shell to the OSK?  Normally you can ask for that behavior if you have a MainView, but we don't
[14:20] <Saviq> dandrader, greyback, I'm not even sure we need the /* */, after all you're only an F4 away from the header
[14:21] <mzanetti> mterry: Qt.inputMethod.rect or something like this
[14:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, not in shell
[14:21] <mzanetti> yeah, works in apps too
[14:21] <Saviq> unless it's back with qtmir?
[14:21] <mzanetti> oh... in the shell
[14:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, Qt.inputMethod didn't work before qtmir, does it work again now?
[14:21] <dandrader> Saviq, "F4", are you talking Qt-Creator?
[14:21] <mzanetti> Saviq: mterry: there is an InputMethod item in Shell.qml
[14:21] <mzanetti> you can probably anchor to that
[14:21] <Saviq> dandrader, yes, but $your_ide's_shortcut works, too ;)
[14:22]  * dandrader is old school and doesn't use such niceties
[14:22] <mterry> mzanetti, interesting, will try thanks!
[14:22] <dandrader> mostly because vim doesn't do it reliably :D
[14:23] <mterry> Saviq, aren't you supposed to be on holiday?
[14:23] <Saviq> mterry, starting tomorrow
[14:23] <mterry> Saviq, hrm...  OK then, carry on  ;)
[14:32] <mzanetti> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/two_see_more_bugfix/+merge/234340/comments/572865
[14:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, saw that, will have a look
[14:33] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok... I see (re sync MP)
[14:33] <mzanetti> Saviq: is silo 11 about to land?
[14:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, you tell me ;)
[14:34] <mzanetti> ah ok
[14:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, but no
[14:34] <mzanetti> I thought you'll land that still today
[14:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's a bunch of unapproved branches
[14:34] <mzanetti> ack
[14:48] <dednick> mzanetti, satorisany idea how to catch individual role changes for model data in qml?
[14:48] <dednick> Saviq: ^
[14:48] <dednick> * any idea
[14:48] <mzanetti> dednick: ?
[14:49] <mzanetti> emit dataChanged(index, index, QVector<int> roles)
[14:49] <dednick> mzanetti: doesnt seem to work with Connections { target: modelData; onXXXChanged: {} }
[14:49] <mzanetti> ah
[14:49] <mzanetti> no. that won't do
[14:49] <mzanetti> hmm
[14:49] <mzanetti> dednick: you can do this:
[14:49] <dednick> or onModelDataChanged
[14:49] <mzanetti> property var foobar: model.barbaz
[14:49] <mzanetti> onFooBarChanged
[14:49] <dednick> mzanetti: yeah. though so
[14:49] <mzanetti> not totally elegant though
[14:49] <dednick> mzanetti: ok, thanks
[14:53] <Saviq> MacSlow, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/notifications-audio-no-play-empty/+merge/234486
[14:54] <MacSlow> Saviq, on it...
[14:56] <Saviq> MacSlow, no worries, not pressing
[14:56] <Saviq> @unity ↑ important to note; bool("") [14:56] <Saviq> I'd say a QTBUG really
[14:57] <kgunn> wtf...
[14:57] <mzanetti> I think QUrl("") actually only sets the path
[14:58] <mzanetti> so there might be a valid authority or protocol string somewhere
[15:01] <Saviq> dandrader|afk, mterry, paulliu http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8327743/
[15:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, think it defaults to file:// ?
[15:01] <MacSlow> Saviq, it is a bit odd
[15:01] <MacSlow> Saviq, I mean the need for this kind of fix
[15:02] <mterry> Saviq, sigh... fixed
[15:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: likely, but I didn't verify
[15:02] <Saviq> MacSlow, well, that's a different thing, our media components didn't deal well with playing an empty string (to be fixed)
[15:02] <Saviq> MacSlow, but still we shouldn't even call play() on it
[15:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: actually file:/// to be precise :D
[15:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, you're kidding?
[15:03] <mzanetti> ah no... "" might be 2 / only
[15:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, that would be your slash
[15:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, meaning your root directory
[15:03] <mzanetti> :D
[15:04] <MacSlow> Saviq, btw... approved
[15:04] <Saviq> MacSlow, t
[15:04] <Saviq> x
[15:04] <MacSlow> Saviq, jenkis will take a while I guess
[15:04] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeah
[15:05] <MacSlow> Saviq, but since your branch is so fresh it should cleanly merge
[15:05] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeah well, let's see if something in silo 11 conflicts
[15:11] <greyback> dandrader|afk: FYI https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity-api/splash/+merge/233288 fails on CI
[15:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: hey, do we actually have the gesture cancellation in place yet?
[15:16] <mzanetti> we don't, right?
[15:16] <paulliu> Saviq: ok. removed tags. Thanks.
[15:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: IMO bugs like these are are misleading because they aren't so much of an issue any more when that is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1368702
[15:17] <greyback> mzanetti: we don't have gesture cancellation
[15:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, no
[15:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, we don't have it I mean, and correct, that bug would be less important if we had it
[15:21] <mzanetti> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1368702/comments/1
[15:22] <Saviq> dandrader, do you have the new python version of the strip tags script?
[15:22] <Saviq> dandrader, 'cause you seem to have the most of the two bad tags that are still travelling around
[15:22] <dandrader> Saviq, I'lll download it again
[15:23] <Saviq> dandrader, http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-u8-tags.py
[15:23] <Saviq> dandrader, and remember you need to strip both local and remote, as tag deletion doesn't travel with commits
[15:24] <Saviq> josharenson, please strip tags on lp:~josharenson/unity8/fix_panel_minute_count and any local checkouts you might have
[15:24] <Saviq> josharenson, http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-u8-tags.py
[15:24] <josharenson> saviq, ack...
[15:24] <josharenson> has that script been updated recently?
[15:25] <dandrader> Saviq, could you name a branch that has bad tags?
[15:25] <dandrader> Saviq, I'm running it and it's not printing anything
[15:26] <dandrader> Saviq, ah, finally got some tags in lp:~dandrader/unity8/real_header_splashscreen
[15:26] <dandrader> s/got/found
[15:29] <dandrader> Saviq, ahhhh! strip-u8-tags.py  doesn't run on the current dir by default. you have to specify "strip-u8-tags.py  ."
[15:29] <Saviq> dandrader, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8327743/
[15:29] <dandrader> Saviq, now it's explained why I wans't finding anything locally
[15:29] <Saviq> dandrader, oops, sorry, should probably make it work like that :)
[15:31] <dandrader> Saviq, or print out an error like "please specify a directory"
[15:31] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, you know... that script was only supposed to live for a week or so :P
[15:31] <Saviq> then it got rewritten in py, and was supposed to only live another week...
[15:32] <dandrader> Saviq, all my branches should be clean now
[15:33] <Saviq> dandrader, thanks
[15:33] <josharenson> greyback, ready when you are
[15:34] <greyback> josharenson: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/gerry
[15:34] <Saviq> josharenson, no, as long as you had the .py version
[15:40] <dandrader> greyback, oh, right. should be fixed now (let's see what jenkins says next)
[15:49] <mterry> greyback, how do I find out where the OSK is on screen (from the shell code) -- we used to have OSKController, now we have InputMethod, but it doesn't seem to give info on where on the screen is actually being drawn
[15:59] <greyback> dandrader: thanks
[16:00] <greyback> mterry: hmm. OSK is actually a maximized surface like any other (non-fullscreen) app surface, with lots of transparency. Shell doesn't know from that how big the OSK is
[16:01] <Saviq> greyback, that's why we have the keyboard communicator socket?
[16:01] <greyback> mterry: if InputMethod doesn't tell you, I'm not sure there's any other place to get that info right now
[16:01] <Saviq> or... had...
[16:01] <greyback> Saviq: yep
[16:01] <mterry> greyback, I looked into how anchorToKeyboard works and it's doing "Qt.inputMethod.visible ? Qt.inputMethod.keyboardRectangle.height : 0"
[16:01] <Saviq> greyback, do we have access to ↑ now?
[16:01] <mterry> greyback, does that seem likely to work?
[16:01] <mterry> Didn't in my quick test, but I'm probably doing something wrong, since that's what the SDK uses
[16:02] <greyback> mterry: yeah that works for apps. I don't see any reason why it would not work for unity8 too, there may be somethinkg missing in the QPA for it
[16:02] <Saviq> greyback, it didn't work before qtmir because shell was never focused
[16:02] <greyback> mterry: if it's what the SDK uses, I'm sure we can make it work for shell
[16:02] <Saviq> and it *did* work before that because Qt didn't care
[16:02] <Saviq> and then it started caring
[16:03] <greyback> Saviq: now the unity8 "Window" should be focused, or at least we can persuade Qt that it is
[16:03] <mterry> greyback, so you're saying there may be qtmir work for this?
[16:03] <Saviq> greyback, yeah, that'd be grand
[16:03] <greyback> mterry: a little yeah
[16:04] <mterry> greyback, OK.  I think I'll go with a workaround for now, then file a qtmir bug about it for proper solution
[16:05] <greyback> mterry: thanks
[19:32] <mterry> greyback, btw that Qt.inputMethod.keyboardRectangle.height trick did work after all -- forgot to get back to you on that
[19:32] <greyback> mterry: it works? Oh great
[19:32]  * greyback draws satisfying line through task in his TODO list
[20:22] <dandrader> greyback, what would be the best way to refer to an image in /usr/lib/$ARCH/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Themes/Ambiance/artwork/
[20:23] <dandrader> greyback, ^^^ that's about your comment https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/real_header_splashscreen/+merge/233286/comments/571898
[20:24] <dandrader> from unity8
[20:37] <greyback> dandrader: nothing easy springs to mind. But it's late here, so I'm not thinking hard right now
[20:38] <dandrader> greyback, I think the only way would be to have a wrapper component there in Ubuntu/Components/Themes/Ambiance so unity8 could import it
[20:38] <dandrader> like just an Image with a preset source
[20:39] <dandrader> greyback, so easier to copy over like Florian did
[20:39] <greyback> dandrader: could this be a component in the SDK, instead of copying all this stuff over? A kinda private component
[20:41] <dandrader> greyback, are you talking about PageHeadStyle and MainViewStyle?
[20:41] <greyback> yep
[20:41] <dandrader> greyback, they are :D
[20:41] <dandrader> greyback, but for the splash screen we needed modified versions of them
[20:41] <dandrader> greyback, so they were copied over and modified
[20:42] <dandrader> greyback, I believe mainly so that it's not tied to the theme of the qml scene but to a hardcoded one
[20:42] <dandrader> greyback, florian left some todo's there about how it should be ideally in the future
[20:43] <dandrader> greyback, but the way the sdk is implemented at the moment does not support such flexibility
[20:43] <dandrader> greyback, thus the copy-over-and-modify approach
[20:44] <greyback> dandrader: is a pity. I just forsee design changes in SDK happening that break this trick
[20:44] <dandrader> greyback, error prone as it will have to be updated every time their sdk counterparts change, but it-just-works(Tm)
[20:44] <dandrader> greyback, ditto
[20:54] <greyback> dandrader: I'm not going to block this. I just dislike copying the images, so would like to explore all options before just copying


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[15:10] <xnox> horum?
[15:10] <bdmurray> xnox: hello
[15:11] <cyphermox> xnox: you mean oh-hum?
[15:11] <Laney> hohoho
[15:11] <xnox> !dmb-ping
[15:11] <xnox> are we all OK with the Community Council randevouz date?
[15:11]  * stgraber waves
[15:11] <ScottK> \o
[15:11] <xnox> *rendezvous
[15:11] <ScottK> No idea, really.
[15:12] <cyphermox> June 4th, 17:30 UTC
[15:12] <xnox> ah, thanks. One of my calendars had it, but couldn't find it.
[15:12] <stgraber> well, hopefully someone from the DMB will be online at the time
[15:12] <Laney> 4th June 17:30
[15:13] <Laney> I've done the last few of those meetings so please someone else volunteer
[15:13] <xnox> I have volleyball trainings starting at 18:00 UTC so I'll be for about half an hour... Hopefully not driving.
[15:13] <cyphermox> that's a thursday apparently
[15:13] <micahg> I'll add it to my calendar
[15:13] <xnox> althought being on IRC whilst in London traffic is not actually dangerous.
[15:14] <xnox> anyway, i don't have anything else to ponder about. I guess we can go back to attending usual things.
[15:14] <Laney> um
[15:14] <Laney> we probably owe N_oskcaj feedback
[15:15] <cyphermox> xnox: think about all the danger you could avoid with a Google Glass, Ubuntu phone, and speech-to-text. :)
[15:15] <micahg> Laney: yes, been working on that
[15:15] <Laney> if those of you that voted +0/-1 could please set up a pad to write a document
[15:15] <Laney> it would be helpful to him
[16:37] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:37] <tyhicks> hello
[16:37] <jjohansen> \o
[16:38] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:38] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:38] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May 11 16:38:08 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:38] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:38] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:38] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:38] <tyhicks> Thanks to Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) and Felix Geyer (debfx) for help on security updates for the community supported quassel (LP: #1448911) last week. Another thanks to Felix for unrar-nonfree (LP: 1451260). Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:38] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:38] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:39] <jdstrand> this week I'm going to work with tyhicks on identifying and prioritizing our work backlog
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> hi
[16:39] <jdstrand> I'm also continuing to work on the review tools wrt snappy
[16:40] <jdstrand> and prodding the seccomp SRU along. related to that, will be discussing snappy stable updates with other teams
[16:40] <jdstrand> if I have time, I'll pick up the seccomp policy updates and mechanism for applying them on upgrades
[16:41] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:41] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:41] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:41] <mdeslaur> and I'm working on some updates
[16:41] <mdeslaur> I just released libtasn1 and icu updates
[16:41] <mdeslaur> I also have an embargoed issue to work on
[16:41] <mdeslaur> that's it from me, sbeattie?
[16:42] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:42] <sbeattie> I need to finish my wily apparmor upload after syncing up some changes from the debian packaging.
[16:42] <sbeattie> I also need to push my trusty apparmor SRU
[16:43] <sbeattie> (just need to do the SRU paperwork there)
[16:43] <tyhicks> great!
[16:43] <sbeattie> still need to push on gcc-pie stuff
[16:44] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for this week
[16:45] <tyhicks> sbeattie: you mentioned an rsyslog SRU in last week's meeting - is that still needed?
[16:45] <mdeslaur> the rsyslog SRU is done
[16:45] <sbeattie> It's been accepted, just needs verification. If one of the reporters doesn't do it, I'll knock it out.
[16:46] <mdeslaur> it's verified
[16:46] <sbeattie> oh, I missed that email.
[16:46] <mdeslaur> it's just waiting the required waiting period
[16:46] <tyhicks> good
[16:46] <tyhicks> I'm in the community role this week
[16:47] <tyhicks> I'm still catching up on email and IRC from my vacation last week
[16:47] <sarnold> good luck :)
[16:47] <tyhicks> :)
[16:47] <mdeslaur> ctrl-a, del
[16:47] <tyhicks> I'll be working with jdstrand to get our backlog in order for the W cycle
[16:48] <mdeslaur> heck, that's what I do, and I didn't go on vacation
[16:48] <tyhicks> I want to revive my patch updates
[16:48] <tyhicks> I'll be adding support to apparmor_parser for kernel keyring mediation
[16:49] <tyhicks> I think that's it for me
[16:49] <tyhicks> jjohansen: your turn
[16:50] <jjohansen> I have to spend a few minutes preparing for the apparmor meeting tomorrow
[16:50] <jjohansen> and I have to sit down with the kt and verify the 4.1-RC3 port and make sure we are ready for that new kernel to drop in W
[16:51] <jjohansen> other than that its planning and back to apparmor cleanups for upstreaming
[16:51] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I see that we're are 4.1-rc3 - will you be able to push any patches up for 4.2?
[16:51] <tyhicks> s/are/at/
[16:52] <jjohansen> tyhicks: yes, sorry that is the other thing todo. /me will make it top priority this week to get a pull request together and get it out
[16:52] <tyhicks> jjohansen: that's great to hear :)
[16:52] <jjohansen> its not going to be huge but 8 or 10 patches can go up
[16:53] <tyhicks> that's a start
[16:53] <jjohansen> that is it for me sarnold you are up
[16:53] <sarnold> I'm on bug triage this week; I have a reproducer working for horizon's cve, at least on trusty, so I am feeling much closer to releasing an update; the quick way to do the update is just for trusty and probably newer, since that's what's charmed up and working.. precise might still require the testingopenstack VM image.
[16:54] <mdeslaur> sarnold: trusty and higher just got brand spanking new horizon packages
[16:54] <mdeslaur> sarnold: are you sure they still need the CVE fix?
[16:55] <sarnold> mdeslaur: dunno if that's encouragement to drink or sob or ...
[16:55] <mdeslaur> oh maybe not trusty
[16:55] <sarnold> mdeslaur: they may; how recent? friday afternoon I reproduced the problem
[16:55] <mdeslaur> utopic and vivid have a new package in -proposed that got uploaded last week. Sorry, trusty still has an old package
[16:56] <sarnold> aha
[16:56] <mdeslaur> might be worth checking to make sure it's not getting an update soon though
[16:56] <sarnold> thanks mdeslaur
[16:56] <tyhicks> sarnold: please be sure to document the serverstack deployment and testing process
[16:56] <tyhicks> (otherwise, you'll become the openstack testing guy :)
[16:57] <sarnold> tyhicks: heh, did you bring along "how to motivate employees" on your vacation? :)
[16:57] <tyhicks> hehe
[16:57] <mdeslaur> lol
[16:58] <sarnold> tyhicks: just a note for the backlog review, it may not show up easily, but there's some omre work oustanding for the ppc64-diag MIR, there's some more dependant packages that we ignored in favor of other packages in the last cycle...
[16:58] <tyhicks> sarnold: thanks for the headsup - I noticed the comment in the MIR bug while reading email this morning
[16:58] <sarnold> tyhicks: 1417608
[16:59] <sarnold> oh cool! an update for ppc64-diag :) nice.
[17:00] <sarnold> anyway, I suppose that doesn't have to happenh right away, but they'll want it SRUd to 14.04 LTS
[17:00] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> It's Mozilla update this week, so I'll be handling that
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> I've also got an embargoed update
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> other than that, I'm just about to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/oxide/media-permissions and then I'll be working on bug 1428754 again
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> I'll also be continuing to work through code reviews. I got some done last week, but the list is still growing
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> I think that's me done
[17:02] <tyhicks> thanks
[17:03] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:03] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:03] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pyrad.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ircd-hybrid.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ibm-3270.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/hostapd.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gcc-4.8-powerpc-cross.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:05] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[17:05] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon May 11 17:05:47 2015 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-05-11-16.38.moin.txt
[17:06] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[17:06] <sarnold> thanjks tyhicks
[17:07] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!


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[02:19] <ankankita> can anyone help me with something... i'm using windows... i can't make kubuntu plasma 5 bootable in usb...
[02:34] <valorie> !usb
[02:35] <valorie> pfff, ask and leave
[04:46] <lamogo> Howdy. New to the Kubuntu and KDE community, like what I see so far! I have a question, in what way does the KDE desktop intergrate with Facebook? I had tried GNOME3 a few days ago and liked how it intergrated with FB, not sure if KDE/Plasma has something similar.
[05:15] <valorie> integrated?
[05:15] <valorie> it's a website
[05:30] <lamogo> Well that chat client isn't and FB has an API that many other desktop environments use.
[06:29] <funkyjive> how can I disable dead keys?   whenever I press " I have to press a space before I get the quotes.  and if I press another key I get an accented leader.  I like to get back to standard US keyboard setup.  I don´t know how I got here.
[06:30] <funkyjive> 14.04
[06:31] <funkyjive> ok found it.  whew.
[07:06] <soee> good morning
[09:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:32] <jimjim> i t's six p.m in where i live haha
[09:32] <Graf_Westerholt> jimjim :)
[09:32] <jimjim> hey
[09:33] <Graf_Westerholt> It is 1033 UTC+1 here.
[09:33] <jimjim> you are in eourpe ?
[09:34] <Graf_Westerholt> jimjim, right.
[09:34] <jimjim>  what?
[09:35] <Graf_Westerholt> jimjim, correct, I am in Europe.
[09:38] <jimjim>  not that plooltion hum?
[09:38] <jimjim> much
[09:38] <jimjim> sorry
[09:38] <jimjim> pollioution
[09:39] <Graf_Westerholt> pollution? :D
[09:39] <jimjim> i'm not drunk
[09:39] <jimjim> :D
[09:39] <Graf_Westerholt> I hear that a lot from drunken guys. :P
[09:40] <jimjim> Graf_Westerholt: i'm really not drunk! :D
[09:40] <Graf_Westerholt> Can you proof it? ;)
[09:40] <jimjim> my teacher is teaching me how to use irc
[09:40] <Graf_Westerholt> How old are you, jimjim?
[09:41] <jimjim> 14
[09:41] <jimjim> no,13
[09:41] <lordievader> jimjim, Graf_Westerholt: Can this conversation move to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[09:41] <jimjim> ok
[09:41] <lordievader> Thank you.
[09:41] <Graf_Westerholt> np
[11:20] <Mehrad_> hi! i have a problem and this is that i cant "log in"! i entered my Password in login page, than there is just a white page! what i must do?
[11:21] <Mehrad_> GPU: AMD Readeon 3000
[11:21] <Mehrad_> RAM: 4GB
[11:23] <soee> Mehrad_: what Kubuntu version ?
[11:26] <Mehrad_> soee it's 14.04
[11:30] <Gotolei> is it possible to run the 14.10 tech preview in virtualbox?
[11:30] <Gotolei> because if so I'm apparently doing something horribly wrong http://i.imgur.com/ATqgVrH.png
[11:30] <soee> Mehrad_: strange i never heard os fuch problem before
[11:31] <soee> Gotolei: disable 3d or acceleration, i cant remember how its called in VB
[11:31] <Gotolei> mk, testing
[11:32] <Mehrad_> so can I Re install Kubuntu without any change in my setting?
[11:32] <Gotolei> it's doing the same thing
[11:33] <soee> Gotolei: related http://www.maketecheasier.com/installing-ubuntu-14-10-in-virtualbox/ ?
[11:34] <soee> Mehrad_: change in settings ?
[11:34] <Gotolei> got it to work, nested paging was the issue
[11:35] <soee> Gotolei: also what 14.10 tech preview?
[11:35] <soee> newset is 15.04 Alpha 2
[11:35] <Gotolei> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu the one with plasma 5
[11:35] <soee> Gotolei: i suggest trying Vivid alpha 2
[11:36] <soee> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[11:36] <Gotolei> i just want to play around with plasma 5 a bit, see what it's developed into
[11:36] <Mehrad_> soee_: my mean is repairing kubuntu.
[11:37] <soee> Mehrad_: hard to say if we don't know what the issue is, if you want to reinstall system all your settings will stay f you have separate home partition
[11:38] <Mehrad_> soee : thank you anyway! i will try it.
[11:43] <Gotolei> ok now it seems to be running, and i get a cursor that moves
[11:43] <Gotolei> but it's just a black screen
[11:44] <Gotolei> does the liveboot take a while to startup or something?
[11:44] <soee> Gotolei: 14.10 or 15.04 ?
[11:45] <Gotolei> 14.10
[11:45] <Gotolei> unless you honestly think a daily build is going to work better than a download from the official site.. :P
[11:46] <Gotolei> went through login, the splash screen did its thing and faded out
[11:46] <Gotolei> and now it just sits
[11:46] <soee> for me it is :) im using 15.04 on PC and laptop :)
[11:46] <soee> Gotolei: try
[11:46] <soee> ALT + F2
[11:46] <soee> krunner shows up ?
[11:47] <Gotolei> nope
[11:47] <Gotolei> 1.2gb is like a 1hr download for me, but guess i'll give it a shot
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:53] <Gotolei> fwiw clicking makes the cursor movement lag for a good ten-something seconds :p
[11:53] <Gotolei> but yeah it's going nowhere
[11:54] <soee> well im not to familiar with VB :) my testing env is my laptop :)
[11:55] <Gotolei> only 19m remaining on the download, surprisingly
[11:55] <soee> you see how maginc Kubuntu is ? :-)
[11:56] <Gotolei> http://i.imgur.com/HI4Uo5U.png very magic, such wonder
[12:01] <Gotolei> wait am i supposed to be downloading the daily build or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/alpha-2/
[12:02] <soee> Gotolei: its probably 99% the same
[12:02] <Gotolei> mmk
[12:17] <Gotolei> ok the daily build doesn't even get to the login screen apparently
[12:18] <soee> Gotolei: this must be some issue with your VB configuration i hink
[12:18] <Gotolei> @soee
[12:18] <Gotolei> i haven't changed anything since installing it, only custom thing is nested paging disabled
[12:19] <Gotolei> heck i've had this laptop for less than a month
[12:40] <Gotolei> vervet alpha 2 almost done downloading..
[12:43] <Gotolei> this one seems to be stuck on the splash screen
[12:44] <Gotolei> bluh, guess it just doesn't work in vb
[12:47] <Gotolei> w/e i'll just try it as a live boot sometime tomorrow or something
[12:47] <Gotolei> thanks for the help, anyways
[15:11] <alberto_> list
[15:12] <soee> !warez
[16:29] <baizon> hi guys, i have a problem with firefox + youtube + html5 :(
[16:29] <baizon> the video stutters the whole time, only in fullscreen its working fine
[16:30] <baizon> any ideas how to fix that?
[17:21] <maliboy> how to add a volume mixer in the panel ?
[17:21] <maliboy> mine is missing
[18:20] <decast> Greetings everyone, sorry to bother with a noob question: is it ok to have files (in /var/log) with timestamps (by ls -l) prior to the install date? Thank you.
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> decast: Probably better for ##Linux , but they're just debug log files, shouldn't be any harm
[18:28] <genii> decast: So long as they are not from the future it won't cause any problems
[18:30] <decast> Thanks for the tip SonikkuAmerica and genii.  It looks kind of strange to me, to have installed the system on December and some logfile getting a timestam from Jully. Could it be related to dates the time the Kubuntu ISO image was created?
[18:31] <genii> No, that wouldn't matter
[18:33] <SonikkuAmerica> genii: (Lol, from the future)
[18:33] <genii> SonikkuAmerica: It happens.
[18:34] <genii> ( usually due to timezone reset)
[18:34]  * SonikkuAmerica gets a lot of "Superblock last mount time is in the future." messages
[18:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah
[18:36] <decast> ok, that one from the future was a cute one indeed, thank you gents.
[18:53] <lucidguy> OMG I can't freaking print PDFs in black&white or grayscale...  Always comes out in color
[18:54] <lucidguy> I've got a Xerox 6655.. installed the printer via their PPD.. and tried using their very own PrinterManager app.  Still colour.
[20:38] <arch-kubu> vivid  kglobalaccel stops plasma-workspace update
[20:40] <bprompt> ?
[20:43] <arch-kubu> Unpacking plasma-workspace (4:5.1.95-0ubuntu2) over (4:5.1.2+git20150113.0114+15.04-0ubuntu0) ...
[20:43] <arch-kubu> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-workspace_4%3a5.1.95-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[20:43] <arch-kubu>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.kde.kglobalaccel.service', which is also in package libkf5globalaccel-data 5.6.0+git20150112.0047+15.04-0ubuntu0
[22:20] <Bischoop> Hi all
[22:21] <bprompt> allo
[22:22] <Bischoop> Hi bprompt


[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[08:15] <zbenjamin> popey: who would know about the dialer app?
[08:16] <zbenjamin> popey: i try to get it to work with the applauncherd... so far no luck i only get the header and a ActivityIndicator
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wonderful Weirdos Day! 😝
[08:48] <popey> zbenjamin: bfiller
[09:24] <zbenjamin> popey: thanks
[10:22] <NymeriaFr> Hello guys
[10:22] <NymeriaFr> I have to deal with traduction in my application
[10:22] <NymeriaFr> Have you some tutorial, because I have some trouble to translate my application
[10:23] <NymeriaFr> The .po files should have a special name ?
[10:44] <DanChapman> NymeriaFr: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/internationalizing-your-app/ should get you going
[12:14] <johangm90> hi guys
[12:15] <johangm90> i need help for keep alive an app in the background on ubuntu touch
[12:22] <pmcgowan> popey, any update for me?
[12:26] <popey> pmcgowan: yeah, had a chat to DanChapman, we should have something to demo soon.
[12:27] <popey> pmcgowan: will probably host a prototype notification server as a demo, and then look to move to hosting internally once proven
[12:27] <mcphail> Is there some way we can configure our own servers to send notifications?
[12:28] <popey> for what app?
[12:28] <mcphail> dekko
[12:29] <popey> potentially
[12:29] <mcphail> interesante...
[12:31] <pmcgowan> popey, I expected it to be part of the polling plugins
[12:31] <pmcgowan> I thought we didnt like hosting proxies for notifications
[12:40] <popey> pmcgowan: is anyone assigned to work on ms2? we had another dupe of bug 1372000 reported. Be nice to get that fixed as it makes music app look way better when all the artwork actually loads, makes for good demo videos :)
[12:40] <popey> (also user experience) :)
[12:43] <pmcgowan> popey, seems that one got lost, alecu ^^
[14:04] <NymeriaFr> Hello guys
[14:05] <NymeriaFr> have you some tutorials for set translation in an application ?


[00:00] <tremolux> I think I can just suppress the error message
[00:00] <patrickmw> tremolux, yes
[00:00] <tremolux> actually, if it's just a warning, would that still cause trouble?
[00:00] <tremolux> or do you think that this might actually be something else that causes the issue with Mago?
[00:00] <patrickmw> tremolux, I'm really not sure if that's the root cause of my actual ptoblem
[00:01] <patrickmw> tremolux, sorry for the confusing on that bug, its misplaced
[00:14] <davmor2> kenvandine: I've just noticed a scripting issue on FB like under natty's gwibber {u'count': 1, u'data': [{u'name': u'Rebecca Firstenfeld', u'id': u'1707592767'}]} users liked this it's on jono's lastest post here
[00:16] <kenvandine> davmor2, fixed in 2.91.93 released a couple hours ago
[00:16] <kenvandine> facebook changed their json output...
[00:17] <davmor2> kenvandine: sounds about right :D
[00:27] <davmor2> kenvandine: also typing in facebook or twitter on the main lens (hit the ubuntu icon) does show up gwibber as a suggestion FB shows empathy for chat.
[00:52] <GunnarHj> kenvandine: Hi Ken, available for an urgent problem?
[02:20] <kenvandine> GunnarHj, what's up?
[02:34] <GunnarHj> kenvandine: Hello! It's about a gdm security update in lucid and maverick leading to the backports binaries no longer being the latest versions. I wanted to ask if there is some shortcut available for dealing with the issue. What I'm about to do is making new backports branches that include the update.
[02:36] <micahg> GunnarHj: you just need to open a backports bug with a new version rebased on top of the security update
[02:41] <GunnarHj> micahg: Yes, that's what I thought. (There already are two bugs from people who were surprised... That's why I said to kenvandine that it's urgent.) Thanks!
[02:41] <kenvandine> GunnarHj, cool... i actually don't know much about backports
[02:41] <kenvandine> glad micahg was here :)
[02:43] <GunnarHj> kenvandine, micahg: Yep. Good to know that I'm on the right track.
[02:46] <micahg> GunnarHj: I'd suggest next time just asking the question rather than pinging someone if it's general
[02:48]  * micahg hugs kenvandine
[02:49] <GunnarHj> micahg: Right. Point taken. :)
[02:49]  * micahg almost tried for ubuntu-backporters
[06:29] <RAOF> chrisccoulson_: Hey, do you still frequently see bug #740126 ?
[06:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740126 in compiz "compiz hangs randomly several times per day" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740126
[06:40] <TheMuso> RAOF: Hrm seems I have a blank screen with nouveau on powerpc, KMS enabled, latest natty kernel. Does this dmesg show you anything in particular as to what may be going on?
[06:40] <TheMuso> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/588125/
[06:41] <RAOF> Mmmmm, TV out :)\
[06:41] <RAOF> I take it that you're not actually trying to do display over the TV output?
[06:42] <TheMuso> No, the card doesn't have one.
[06:42] <TheMuso> The card has a DVI port, and an ADC port (ADC is DVI + power for Apple monitors). I am using teh DVI port with a DVI -> VGA adapter.
[06:43] <RAOF> I presume this worked at one point?
[06:43] <TheMuso> Yeah I think so, I'd need to go back and test prior versions to be sure.
[06:44] <RAOF> Given how awkward radeon support is for macs it wouldn't surprise me that the card doesn't actually have a connector table in there and requires a hand-built table in the driver.
[06:44] <TheMuso> Fnny you should mention radeon for powerpc, with KMS enabled it throws an oops.
[06:44] <TheMuso> I have every intension of filing a bug upstream with the oops to get it addressed.
[06:45] <RAOF> So, nouveau thinks you've got a VGA output, a TMDS output (which would be some form of digital output), and a TV output.
[06:45] <TheMuso> heh right.
[06:45] <TheMuso> Actually the ADC port may do VGA, I am not entirely sure.
[06:45] <RAOF> Furthermore, it's detecting that there's something connected to the TV output :)
[06:46] <TheMuso> haha well that their aint. Let me double check the card, but I am sure there is no TV out on it.
[06:46] <TheMuso> Ok no there isn't.
[06:47] <TheMuso> I'll file a bug upstream about this too.
[06:48] <RAOF> That'd be a winner.
[06:48] <TheMuso> So does the FDO bug tracker deal with dri kernel bugs?
[06:48] <RAOF> Although if there's a kernel that works correctly they're likely to ask you to bisect; I don't think many nouveau developers have a mac for testing.
[06:49] <TheMuso> Right, I need to backtrack to an earlier kernel.
[06:49] <TheMuso> to see what I can find out.
[06:50] <RAOF> I'd file it under xorg/drivers/nouveau; intel and radeon have DRI/drm/intel and DRI/drm/radeon respectively, but nouveau isn't there.
[06:50] <TheMuso> ok
[06:51] <bryceh> TheMuso, yes bugs@fdo handles dri kernel bugs
[06:51] <TheMuso> Will get to all of that on the weekend hopefully.
[06:51] <TheMuso> bryceh, RAOF, thanks.
[06:51] <bryceh> TheMuso, I've a tool you can use to help with the bug forwarding - http://www.bryceharrington.org/cgi-bin/send_upstream.cgi
[06:52] <TheMuso> bryceh: Thanks. I don't think there are any LP bugs for this, I plan to file upstream directly.
[06:52] <bryceh> alrighty
[07:04] <RAOF> The problem with the 1st of April is that you can neven be sure whether the delay of GNOME 3.0 to September is a joke or not…
[07:04] <bryceh> heh
[07:05] <bryceh> RAOF, btw wanted to ask if you'd given thought to any UDS sessions we might want to hold?
[07:05] <RAOF> I've given some thought, but haven't really come up with anything.
[07:05] <bryceh> yeah same
[07:06] <RAOF> I'd like to work out whether we can ship libdxtn, but that's hardly a session.
[07:06] <bryceh> yeah there's some toolish things I'm interested in but dunno that it's of very widespread interest
[07:07] <RAOF> There are probably enough Xers now to justify having a session.
[07:07] <RAOF> Oh!
[07:07] <RAOF> Yes.  Session: what drivers to drop from -all.
[07:08] <bryceh> mmm
[07:08] <jcastro> RAOF: I was thinking the exact same thing wrt. the gnome thing
[07:08] <bryceh> reminds me with beta out I can cleanup the arm drivers list
[07:09] <RAOF> jcastro: It looks plausible, but how soon is GTK4, really?
[07:09] <bryceh> RAOF, yeah we should probably have a general X meeting like normal, and maybe another canonical-x internal one
[07:10] <didrocks> good morning
[07:10] <bryceh> hi didrocks
[07:10] <didrocks> hey bryceh!
[07:10] <bryceh> wow, we didn't even use the word 'blueprint' and jcastro showed up :-)
[07:10] <bryceh> didrocks, how're things?  X working better for you?
[07:11] <RAOF> bryceh: And possibly another stakeholders meeting; again, I'd like a venue for our internal consumers of X to say ‘we'd like it to be able to do $THING’.
[07:11] <bryceh> RAOF, the 8xx'ers have been piling on the bug tracker a lot the last few days.  :-/  I feel really bad continually telling them "no support for you!"
[07:11] <jcastro> bryceh: I am watching for outliers to the naming convention.
[07:12] <didrocks> bryceh: you mean the "magnetic" issue? It's even worst! so, loicm has it as well. Surprinsingly, I don't get it at all with multimonior and twinview, just on single monitor with twinview deactivated
[07:12] <didrocks> bryceh: apart from that, in a rush, but everything's generally fine, thanks ;)
[07:12] <didrocks> and you?
[07:12] <bryceh> didrocks, that's the one
[07:12] <bryceh> didrocks, yep doing good.
[07:13] <RAOF> bryceh: I keep seeing a handful of ‘855 is special, don't step on its toes’ commits floating past.  It's somewhat surprising that it *ever* worked *at all* :)
[07:13] <bryceh> my 1.5 yr old son likes to hang out in the garage with me, so today I made him a little workbench.  He likes to bang nails into the wood and explore my parts drawers
[07:14] <bryceh> and he's learned how to climb the ladder out there...  :-+
[07:15] <bryceh> RAOF, so far most of the 8xx bugs have resembled other bugs we're seeing on 9xx so maybe they're just general issues
[07:19] <GunnarHj> Good morning! Anybody with gdm upload rights who can sponsor me with bug 746694? Think it should be considered an urgent matter...
[07:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746694 in maverick-backports "GDM_LANG overrides my locales" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746694
[07:24] <pitti> Good morning
[07:25] <didrocks> hey pitti
[07:26] <micahg> GunnarHj: backports don't work like that, I believe you need approval before it can be uploaded
[07:26] <micahg> GunnarHj: can we move to -devel?
[07:26] <GunnarHj> micahg: Ok.
[07:27] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ca va?
[07:28] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fine thanks :) you?
[07:46] <pitti> didrocks: aaah, intltool!
[07:46] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it was the little guilty guy! ;)
[08:07]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: ... but it says "There is no easter-egg!"!!!11!!one!
[08:07]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[08:08] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: but is telling not having one is already having one? :-)
[08:08] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, how are you?
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: was a cheap and the less full-bug way to get it! :-)
[08:08] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark
[08:09] <pitti> didrocks: I think this question brings this prank to an unduly high philosophical level
[08:09] <desrt> pranks?
[08:09] <didrocks> pitti: exactly, like "you have 4 hours" :)
[08:09] <desrt> where?  i love pranks
[08:09] <Sweetshark> pitti: a bit stressed by the deadlines (there is one every week -- today: 3.4 branchoff) but otherwise fine ;)
[08:09] <pitti> <jedi wave>There is no prank; I'm all 100% serious about this
[08:10] <Sweetshark> didrocks: is that bug I mailed you fitting?
[08:10] <bryceh> heya guys good mornings
[08:10] <pitti> hey bryceh
[08:10] <didrocks> Sweetshark: I think it does, right
[08:13] <Sweetshark> Anyone already having a "best of" of this years april fools already? Something like slashdots OMG Ponys or http://blog.thebehrens.net/2009/04/01/how-openofficeorg-will-switch-to-a-dscm/
[08:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: still a bit early in the day, isn't it?
[08:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: well, yeah. so its even more important not to be caught halfawake of some shocking news that is really just a joke. I remember my hyperventilating as pretty badly as a gentoo zealot back then, when I read this:http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030401-newsletter.xml#doc_chap1_sect2
[08:25] <pitti> Sweetshark: heh, I remember that one
[08:34] <vish> FISHWARE!!!
[08:35] <micahg> vishware?
[08:35] <vish> Bug #747014
[08:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747014 in unity "Major Natty regression: No fish!" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747014
[08:37] <Sweetshark> I think the gentoo folks started to get careful after some people said "thats a great idea!" after reading about geNToo (gentoo on windows) ...
[08:44] <didrocks> wooowwww first ABI stable nux update!
[08:46] <RAOF> didrocks: I thought that was technically impossible for C++ ABIs :P
[08:47] <didrocks> RAOF: Neil made a list minute commit to change just a slightely issue with nux trunk and it fixes the ABI break issue for this release (at least ;))
[08:47] <didrocks> RAOF: so, zomg, that means that you can push C++ code and not breaking the ABI!
[08:47]  * didrocks is *shocked*
[09:01] <mvo> didrocks: dude, we do it all the time with libapt ;) its a PAIN though. does he know about the abichecker script that we use in libapt?
[09:02] <didrocks> mvo: oh no!
[09:02] <didrocks> mvo: link link link? ;-)
[09:02]  * didrocks will add that to his release script
[09:03] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:04] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[09:04] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks
[09:05] <mvo> didrocks: http://ispras.linux-foundation.org/index.php/ABI_compliance_checker , check lp:apt and there abicheck/run_abi_test for a example of the usage, works really well for us
[09:05] <mvo> I even bloged about it a good while ago (shocking!) http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/goodbye-accidental-abi-breaks/
[09:05] <mvo> its really cool stuff
[09:07] <mvo> whoever did "revert button layout" in the appearence properties is my hero-of-the-hour
[09:08] <didrocks> mvo: when you change the theme with a custom layout?
[09:08] <mvo> yeah
[09:08] <mvo> well, I have [x] title [min][max] since about forever
[09:09] <didrocks> mvo: I did that in lucid dude! time to ugprade! ;)
[09:09] <mvo> and a theme change used to just kill that, now I can just revert
[09:09] <mvo> hm? first time I see it, it usually just killed my custom window manager layout settings
[09:10] <mvo> anyway, /me hugs did'hero-of-the-hour'rocks
[09:14] <didrocks> mvo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:2.30.0-0ubuntu2 (if (previoustheme->button_layout && (strcmp (previoustheme->button_layout, tmpbutton_layout) != 0)))
[09:14] <didrocks> mvo: from the first implementation ;)
[09:15] <didrocks> mvo: seems that ken touched it again in February, pretty sure it worked on lucid, but didn't test it since (seems that themes can be saved in a file now, so maybe it impacted it)
[09:16] <mvo> odd really, but I don't complain that it works now for me :)
[09:18] <huats> mornin
[09:37] <seb128> one cycle later and update-manager still trigger apport if you close the password dialog by error :-(
[09:44] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, it also says lots of apps have crashed, when they haven't, as in last cycle, iirc
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, what? apport?
[09:44] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, well it catches python exceptions
[09:44] <rodrigo_> hi seb128 btw :)
[09:44] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[09:44] <seb128> uncaught exceptions rather
[09:44] <seb128> well the apport dialog is ok
[09:44] <rodrigo_> yes, it indeed happens in python apps, like accerciser
[09:45] <seb128> what is annoying is that update-manager hangs for 5 minutes then
[09:45] <seb128> like it goes waiting for a timeout
[09:45] <seb128> with the ui blocked while it does that
[09:45] <mvo> seb128: let me look at this
[09:45] <seb128> mvo, hey
[09:45] <seb128> mvo, sorry to keep ranting about your softwares, I still love you ;-)
[09:47] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:48] <chrisccoulson_> good morning everyone
[09:52] <seb128> lol
[09:52] <seb128> GNOME3 delayed to septembre then
[09:52] <seb128> we are on track for it ;-)
[09:53] <seb128> http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2011-04-gnome-3.0-rescheduled.html
[09:53] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson_
[09:53] <chrisccoulson_> hi seb128, how are you?
[09:54] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[09:54] <chrisccoulson_> yeah, i just saw the announcement too
[09:54] <chrisccoulson_> perhaps we should delay natty until then? ;)
[09:54]  * chrisccoulson_ runs
[09:54]  * desrt shakes his head
[09:54] <chrisccoulson_> hi desrt!
[09:55] <desrt> hey :)
[09:55] <desrt> i don't think it really makes sense for you guys to delay natty
[09:55] <desrt> gnome is merely one of your upstreams
[09:56] <seb128> desrt, I think that was a joke ;-)
[09:56] <desrt> they did the 6 month delay so that gnome3 will sync up with your next release
[09:56] <desrt> seb128: ah.  of course.
[09:56] <chrisccoulson_> desrt - so, gtk 4 coming soon too? (according to the announcement). you don't happen to know how soon do you?
[09:56] <desrt> i'm in a bit of an annoyed mood today because of the announcement
[09:56] <seb128> desrt, why? seems an ok decision
[09:56] <desrt> chrisccoulson_: we were saying on the order of 1 year, but i think it may be more like 1.5-2
[09:57] <chrisccoulson_> desrt, ok, that's not too bad :)
[09:57] <desrt> so i'm not sure that delaying for gtk4 is really a good idea
[09:57] <seb128> desrt, it feels border line ready, could be shipped as a bit shacky but a 6 month delay will make it great
[09:57] <chrisccoulson_> one of the redhat firefox maintainers is currently porting to gtk3, but i had a thought there that gtk4 might come along before it's reviewed and landed ;)
[09:57] <desrt> does that mean you guys will switch to it in 6 months? :)
[09:58] <seb128> desrt, btw seems people realize at least now that using firefox non public stable bits can bite
[09:58] <desrt> seb128: i realised this a long time ago and tried to get them to change to seed
[09:58] <desrt> but i understand why they feel that 'yield' is really essential
[09:58] <desrt> it's a bit of a difficult problem, really :/
[09:58] <seb128> yeah...
[09:58] <desrt> i think they may try to do a private library now
[09:59] <chrisccoulson_> it's not too much of a problem now, as we have a proper spidermonkey lib in ubuntu ;)
[09:59] <seb128> desrt, "will switch to it", it being GNOME3 I was going to say "yes for sure"
[09:59] <seb128> but that gtk4 point you raise makes me nervous
[09:59] <desrt> seb128: shell :)
[09:59] <seb128> like we don't want to do another GTK transition before the next lts
[09:59] <desrt> gtk4 is at least a year out
[09:59] <seb128> ok great
[10:00] <desrt> maybe 2
[10:04] <rodrigo_> vuntz, hey, what's the april fools joke, the delay of 3.0 or the tarballs due on Monday?
[10:06] <seb128> doh, I didn't even check what day we are
[10:06] <rodrigo_> seb128, :)
[10:08] <desrt> rodrigo_: bad boy
[10:08] <rodrigo_> desrt, well, I'm confused, since he sent the 2 mails at the same time
[10:09] <rodrigo_> desrt, ah, you were trying to confuse seb128? :)
[10:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, I would assume the real email is tarball due
[10:09] <rodrigo_> seb128, :)
[10:09] <chrisccoulson_> lol
[10:10] <desrt> we'll never tell!
[10:10] <desrt> ....until tomorrow
[10:10] <rodrigo_> :D
[10:10] <seb128> let's say I don't find official joke announces as fun jokes
[10:11] <seb128> that's why I tend to don't read news on that day if they don't come via email in my inbox ;-)
[10:12] <desrt> seb128: i think you do have a point though
[10:12] <desrt> gnome3 is certainly not a kde4
[10:12] <desrt> but it's also not 100%
[10:12] <seb128> the delay would be credible if the goal was to have something high quality
[10:13] <seb128> it's also fine to ship it as it this cycle
[10:13] <desrt> 3.2 will obviously be a better release
[10:13] <desrt> seb128: the code is actually pretty high quality right now
[10:13] <seb128> was gtk4 in the next year or two also an april joke?
[10:13] <desrt> just a few rough edges, like everyone else
[10:13] <desrt> no
[10:13] <seb128> ok ;-)
[10:13] <desrt> we've been planning that for a while
[10:13] <desrt> we're planning our next hackfest in september
[10:14] <desrt> maybe somewhere nice in france :)
[10:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, yeah, don't trust desrt today
[10:14] <desrt> hey!  don't blame me!
[10:14] <pitti> seb128: how sure are you that bug 740765 really started with 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu9?
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740765
[10:15] <desrt> so omgubuntu seemed quite convinced...
[10:15] <pitti> seb128: I can't see how http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=9142d259dcaa6b011604cbd560b94ce31d314b88 can possibly cause this..
[10:15] <seb128> pitti, I just matched the day we started receiving bugs about that and the uploads
[10:15]  * pitti scratching head
[10:15] <seb128> pitti, well of course it could be a side effect of some other lib change
[10:17] <pitti> hm, omgubuntu -> wasn't that xkcd a couple of years back?
[10:19] <seb128> pitti, it doesn't make to me either that this commit would create the bug...
[10:19] <vish> well, i guess desrt nailed the coffin with his support ;p
[10:19] <desrt> vish: ?
[10:19] <vish> desrt: "I support release team"
[10:20] <vish> desrt: ha! just checked the tags on that OMG post, it says "fooled you"
[10:21] <vish> but still people are wildly debating there :p
[10:21] <desrt> dbarth_: ping
[10:27] <dbarth_> desrt: hi
[10:28]  * Sweetshark wonders if we should join the Canterbury project ...
[10:31] <pitti> Sweetshark: I heard it's great!
[10:35] <Sweetshark> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35859
[10:35] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 35859 in Localisation "Missing string in french translation" [Normal,New]
[10:36] <Sweetshark> ^- that one is esp. for our french zealots here ...
[10:36] <seb128> got to go for some errands, be back in one hour
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: hah, I know
[10:42] <rickspencer3> seb128, pitti, vish, desrt ... beta 1 is out, whats the work on the street?
[10:42] <pitti> rickspencer3: you mean "how's the whale in the Thames?"
[10:42] <rickspencer3> pitti,  uuh
[10:43] <rickspencer3> I am not familiar with that particular vernacular, but sure!
[10:43] <pitti> rickspencer3: can you please look out of the window and confirm what google maps shows?
[10:43] <vish> s/whale/narwhal
[10:43] <rickspencer3> how's the whale in the Tames?
[10:43] <rickspencer3> lol
[10:43] <rickspencer3> let me see
[10:43] <pitti> if it's still there, please wave to him for me, would you?
[10:43] <rickspencer3> yes, there is a whale
[10:43] <rickspencer3> well, there's already a crowd
[10:45] <rickspencer3> it is a narhwal, actually, I think
[10:45] <rickspencer3> and it appears to be yellow
[10:45] <rickspencer3> anywhoooo, whales aside, any response to beta 1 so far?
[10:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: didn't hear much yet
[10:46] <rickspencer3> hmmmm
[10:46] <rickspencer3> I guess that's good from a quality POV, but not so good from a popularity pov ;)
[11:02] <GunnarHj> pitti: Have you read the comments on bug 742857? Because of them, I'm about to convert the proposed document to a help document belonging to language-selector. Thought I'd ask for your general view first, to not reach another deadlock.
[11:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742857 in ubuntu-docs "i18n matters ought to be properly documented" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742857
[11:04] <pitti> GunnarHj: hm, this is more developer oriented, isn't it? I wonder if it would be better suited in the wiki
[11:06] <GunnarHj> pitti: My intention was to write a document for users. What makes you think it's developer oriented?
[11:07] <pitti> GunnarHj: the other bug comments so far (haven't looked at the actual document yet, was too busy with beta-1 release)
[11:12] <GunnarHj> pitti: I see. It is a little more than "click this, select X from that, ...", but aiming for users.
[11:12] <pitti> GunnarHj: ah, ok; language-selector help sounds great then
[11:13] <GunnarHj> pitti: Then I'll make a try.
[11:18] <chrisccoulson_> finally, i've figured out how to write a working mochitest for firefox \o/
[11:18] <pitti> mochitest?
[11:19] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mochitest
[11:19] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: hey, did you have the time to add a static quicklist to firefox (see
[11:19] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/747128
[11:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747128 in unity "open new firefox window" [Undecided,New]
[11:19] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - i need to write a test for making sure that scrolling works when you select text in a scrolled area
[11:19] <didrocks> (well, it needs to fiddling with dpm about the .desktop translation)
[11:20] <chrisccoulson_> which means synthesizing fake mouse events and stuff like that ;)
[11:20] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, i uploaded it yesterday ;)
[11:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: awesome \o/
[11:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: how did you dealt with i18n?
[11:21] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-March/010406.html
[11:21] <chrisccoulson_> for translations, we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/FirefoxDesktop
[11:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: oh, a brand new automated process? ;)
[11:21] <chrisccoulson_> lol
[11:21] <chrisccoulson_> we need to make it automated ;)
[11:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: nice work, thanks for tackling that :)
[11:22] <didrocks> now, I can just stare at Sweetshark for quicklist and openoffice!
[11:22] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, well, it was cdbs who modified the desktop file ;)
[11:22] <chrisccoulson_> (i just added the extra translations before i uploaded yesterday)
[11:23] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: oh, that's already nice then ;)
[11:23] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: is open a tab before open a window?
[11:23] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, i haven't added the open tab item yet
[11:23] <didrocks> ok ;)
[11:23] <didrocks> I was wondering how it would behave with:
[11:23] <cdbs> didrocks, chrisccoulson_: hi
[11:24] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, we kept the translations on the wiki to give us the option of adding it later on if we wanted to
[11:24] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[11:24] <chrisccoulson_> but i want to save some space for other quicklist items really ;)
[11:24] <didrocks> hey cdbs
[11:24] <pitti> GunnarHj: took a look at the document; this looks great, thanks!
[11:24]  * pitti follows up to the bug
[11:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: agreed, opened a new tab should be more a dynamic QL I think
[11:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: and the good news is that I just wired up the latest pieces!
[11:25] <chrisccoulson_> nice!
[11:25] <GunnarHj> pitti: Good to know, thanks!
[11:27] <pitti> GunnarHj: followed up
[11:27] <pitti> GunnarHj: so in short, I think it'll live well in language-selector itself
[11:28] <pitti> impressive unity changelog again
[11:30] <didrocks> (and a lot of spam \o/)
[11:34] <chrisccoulson_> yeah, i think i migth go and grab a coffee before i read the unity changelog!
[11:34] <chrisccoulson_> **might
[11:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: double dose will be better )
[11:34] <didrocks> :)
[11:34] <chrisccoulson_> heh :)
[11:48] <TheMuso> pitti: So the desktop powerpc image is currently oversized, and I have been looking through the seeds trying to work out what could be dropped. Just about everything that is included could be considered as needed. Thoughts?
[11:48] <TheMuso> pitti: I was thinking of possibly dropping some or all of the games packages, as they take up a fair amount of disk space.
[11:49] <pitti> TheMuso: gnome-games sounds like a good "first against the wall" indeed
[11:49] <pitti> TheMuso: you could win a lot by dropping tomboy and banshee and adding rhythmbox instead, but that would deviate quite a lot
[11:49] <pitti> TheMuso: do we still ship two different kernels there, or why are these so big?
[11:49] <TheMuso> pitti: Yeah I would really rather only cut things that aren't absolutely necessary.
[11:50] <pitti> TheMuso: I believe we also ship some toolchain bits
[11:50] <TheMuso> pitti: 2 different kernels for 32-bit and 64-bit powerpc. These kernels could do with a lot of fat being removed, but not enough time this cycle.
[11:50] <pitti> TheMuso: like kernel headers, gcc, etc.; dropping those will also win a lot
[11:50] <TheMuso> pitti: Kernel headers have been dropped, I could also drop gcc.
[11:51] <TheMuso> The interesting thing is with the current desktop seeds, the alternate disk is fine size wise.
[11:51] <pitti> TheMuso: we have a lot of bz2/lzma compressed packages, which certainly help a lot
[11:51] <TheMuso> Ok, I'll drop gnome-games and gcc et al, and we'll see where that leads us.
[11:51] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[12:11] <seb128> re
[12:11] <seb128> pitti, oh, apport abort -> nice catch!
[12:12] <seb128> pitti, it tells us that it was right to do as well since that one seems to hit quite some users and didn't get reported before
[12:12] <pitti> seb128: right; I just wonder why it failed to extract the message there; it's a normal g_assert..
[12:13] <seb128> pitti, the stacktrace has "<value optimized out>" for the message
[12:14] <pitti> but it should still be in the global variable in the core dumpl.
[12:14] <pitti> ..
[12:15] <seb128> pitti, yeah, not sure, but that also explain why we started getting so indicator sigabrt crashes
[12:15] <seb128> nice that we catch extra bugs
[12:15] <seb128> but I will try to investigate if I ran into one of those locally
[12:17] <pitti> wohooo! non-crashing unity! live is soo good
[12:18]  * pitti hugs the DX team
[12:20] <seb128> ;-)
[12:20] <seb128> mpt, could you not play close reopen close games on bugs please? it's wasting effort for everybody that could be used in a better way
[12:21] <didrocks> so, upload on Friday can make people happy ;)
[12:21] <mpt> seb128, sorry, I don't know what you mean
[12:22] <seb128> mpt, you just reopened a bug that was set invalid because it was not closed with a reference to the other bug
[12:23] <mpt> oh, I thought I marked that one as a duplicate, sorry
[12:24] <seb128> mpt, ok, sorry for assuming that it was because you disagree with the way the bug was closed (there is a recurrent argument about whether those bugs should be closed or let open until somebody will triage the bug properly)
[13:26] <pgraner> Has anyone seen probs with gdm/X after todays updates on Intel? Everytime at the gdm login prompt that I touch the touchpad X crashes and restarts.
[13:27] <seb128> hey pgraner
[13:27] <seb128> mpt is discussing a similar issue on #ubuntu-x at the moment if you want to join that channel
[13:31] <pgraner> seb128, thx
[13:39] <mvo> new nux stopped my unity from crashing when I press alt-f2 \o/
[13:40] <pitti> yeah, and I'm running unity again, too
[13:40] <pitti> it was impossible to stabilize in the last week
[13:40] <mvo> yeah, same here
[13:40] <seb128> it's working great there for a while
[13:40] <mvo> works well so far on my two machines
[13:40] <seb128> you guys probably did something to upset didrocks
[13:40] <mvo> I had loads and loads of crashes lsat week on my nvidia box
[13:40] <pitti> my wife hasn't complained yet, though, and she's still running last weekend's version
[13:40] <seb128> but it seems he got over it and stop hating you ;-)
[13:41] <mvo> seb128: yeah, USER==mvo ;)
[13:41] <seb128> it's like mvo hating me with update-manager
[13:41] <seb128> ;-)
[13:41] <mvo> seb128: dude!
[13:41] <seb128> mvo, alter!
[13:41] <mvo> seb128: I looked at this problem but got confused by all the defer magic and put it on hold :(
[13:41] <seb128> mvo, it's a non issue nowadays since polkit stopped crashing every second use
[13:42] <seb128> I just ran into it today by accident
[13:42] <seb128> it was driving me crazy when polkit was crashing ;-)
[13:42] <mvo> its still something that needs to get fixed
[13:42] <mvo> I hope that glatzor can give me some idea
[13:51] <didrocks> mvo: seb128 asked me to make it crashing for your computer :)
[13:52] <seb128> heh
[13:52] <mvo> didrocks: you french …
[13:52] <didrocks> "I eat you", isn't it? :p
[13:52] <mvo> lol
[13:52] <mvo> I ate you
[13:54] <didrocks> oh right, better with this accent ;)
[13:56] <cyphermox> seb128, was there something wrong about my evolution-mapi merge? I see it has been uploaded but the merge request has not changed (still Needs Review)
[13:56] <seb128> hi
[13:56] <seb128> no, I just though the autoimporter would close it
[13:57] <seb128> since it's using the standard location
[13:57] <cyphermox> ah, ok :)
[13:58] <rickspencer3> didrocks, bryceh, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/747205
[13:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747205 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x7a005502)" [Undecided,New]
[13:58] <seb128> rickspencer3, it's being handled
[13:59] <rickspencer3> seb128, thanks
[13:59] <rickspencer3> seb128, note I updated teh bug report
[13:59] <seb128> rickspencer3, well it was discussed on the next channel and forwarded upstream, tjaalton is on it
[13:59] <didrocks> email sent :)
[13:59] <rickspencer3> with no external monitor, it works fine
[13:59] <seb128> tjaalton, ^
[14:00] <tjaalton> oh, that's good info, I guess
[14:01] <rickspencer3> tjaalton, I'll be here for another few hours, if you want me to try anything
[14:02] <tjaalton> rickspencer3: well, I need to run in a minute, but ping Sarvatt / bryceh to continue from here :)
[14:03] <rickspencer3> k
[14:03] <rickspencer3> thanks tjaalton
[14:03] <tjaalton> once they're available
[14:03] <tjaalton> and when ickle has something to share (on the upstream bug
[14:03] <tjaalton> )
[14:05] <rickspencer3> didrocks, when can I test if the fix for bug #738864 worked for me?
[14:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 738864 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738864
[14:06] <didrocks> rickspencer3: should be published by now
[14:07] <didrocks> rickspencer3: I think this fix was in unity itself, not compiz, let me checkc
[14:08] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah it is, so you should be able to test with the new unity
[14:08] <didrocks> (3.8.2)
[14:14]  * pitti grabbed the .debs from LP the minute it was built :)
[14:16] <didrocks> seb128: see, pitti lives on edge as well ;)
[14:17] <seb128> didrocks, I got it from the mirror now ;-)
[14:17] <didrocks> :)
[14:17] <seb128> didrocks, the alt-f2 is still screwed :-(
[14:17] <didrocks> ok tell me how it goes, I'll upload if it works
[14:17] <didrocks> oh wait! ;-)
[14:17] <didrocks> update*
[14:17] <didrocks> seb128: how screwed?
[14:17] <ari-tczew> mterry: you're not yet core-dev? I thought so :)
[14:17] <seb128> if you are hitting enter before the model update it doesn't run the command
[14:18] <seb128> didrocks, you hate people who type faster than you right? ;-)
[14:18]  * didrocks slaps seb128 ;)
[14:18] <seb128> ;-)
[14:18] <didrocks> seb128: that's because gord's merge wasn't merged it seems
[14:18] <mterry> ari-tczew, I like to take things slow  :)
[14:18] <didrocks> and I think nobody thought to revert the "fix committed" status
[14:19] <ari-tczew> mterry: good luck on meeting then
[14:19] <didrocks> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/unity-31-03-11-places-fixes/+merge/55765
[14:19] <mterry> ari-tczew, thanks!
[14:19] <didrocks> oh no, the bugs are still opened, all is good
[14:20] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[14:20]  * mterry HATES April 1st on the Internet
[14:21] <ari-tczew> mterry: my wishes weren't prima aprillis :>
[14:21] <mterry> ari-tczew, I know.  Unrelated  :)
[14:21] <ari-tczew> okok
[14:27] <chrisccoulson_> mterry - "I like to take things slow" - perhaps not as slow as me though ;)
[14:27] <chrisccoulson_> i've been meaning to apply for over a year now ;)
[14:28] <mterry> chrisccoulson_, :)  no time like the present
[14:29] <mvo> seb128: ha! I get constantly hit by this bug as well, *t<pause>y<pause>p<pause>e* ssssssllllloooowwwwllllly
[14:38] <bcurtiswx> good morn all
[15:08] <Q-FUNK> seb128: it could be a good idea to read bug reports, before pasting a boilerplate reply. :)
[15:10] <seb128> Q-FUNK, well I didn't read the bug description but I can't do a lot without a crash report
[15:10] <seb128> Q-FUNK, what stop you to switch to a vt to copy the .crash to an usb disk or something?
[15:10] <seb128> Q-FUNK, or to startx from a vt rather than use gdm
[15:10] <Q-FUNK> seb128: appart enabled, but crash not found.
[15:11] <Q-FUNK> öö.. apport.
[15:11] <seb128> Q-FUNK, can check Xorg.0.log
[15:11] <seb128> can you
[15:11] <seb128> or /var/log/gdm/...
[15:11] <bcurtiswx> woah, my computers a timebomb
[15:11] <Q-FUNK> did that
[15:11] <seb128> there is no stacktrace in the logs?
[15:11] <Q-FUNK> non
[15:12] <Q-FUNK> none whatsoever
[15:12] <seb128> very weird
[15:12] <seb128> so it's crashing but without dumping a crash or triggering apport
[15:12] <Q-FUNK> and gdm only reported x :0 being temporariliy unavailable
[15:12] <Q-FUNK> yup
[15:12] <seb128> nothing useful in the /var/log/gdm logs?
[15:12] <Q-FUNK> this beingn said, the new synaptics apparently restored basic X operation
[15:12] <seb128> there was a trackpad crash there
[15:13] <Q-FUNK> nope.  that's the first place I checked
[15:13] <seb128> but yours seems different
[15:13] <seb128> can you figured which of the 2 updates broke for you?
[15:13] <Q-FUNK> looking at my /var/crash content, I currently have kernel oopses and python-rsvg crashes.  nothing else.
[15:15] <Q-FUNK> well, even though I had my mouse plugged-in and was using that, synaptics apparently was the cause nonetheless.
[15:15] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - you can probably sponsor packagekit from bug 740815 now btw
[15:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-1.9.2 "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740815
[15:16] <chrisccoulson_> that should work now
[15:16] <Q-FUNK> as soon as I went and installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu10 directly from LP's build cache and rebooted, the issue was gone.
[15:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: oh, nice
[15:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: currently working on something else, will do ASAP, though
[15:17] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - thanks
[15:17] <seb128> Q-FUNK, so your issues are fixed now?
[15:19] <Q-FUNK> seb128: basic X operation is back.   notification area icons are not. :)
[15:19] <seb128> ok, that's "normal" then ;-)
[15:19] <Q-FUNK> heh ;)
[15:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, mterry, tedg: bug #743404 seems to happen on compiz crashes if that's useful info
[15:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 743404 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in menu_entry_realized()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743404
[15:20] <seb128> crashes or restarts
[15:20] <seb128> if someone of you want to claim it
[15:20] <seb128> oh, it's assigned to ted already
[15:22] <tjaalton> rickspencer3: jane's bug is fixed by libdrm 2.4.24. guess we'll need to get that in natty :)
[15:22]  * tjaalton gone again
[15:22] <rickspencer3> cool tjaalton
[15:32] <seb128> tedg, hey
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #649809 an user say he still get it...is there any debug info printf we could had that would be useful?
[15:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649809 in gdm "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, like is there any way to get the pid which own the xsetting?
[15:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, via xprop, but I see there is no argument to
[15:53] <rodrigo_> hmm
[16:05] <ricotz> seb128, hi
[16:05] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[16:05] <ricotz> seb128, fine, thanks
[16:05] <ricotz> seb128, i am looking at rhythmbox 2.91 and noticed that you disabled all patches with the last 0.13 update
[16:06] <seb128> the one yesterday?
[16:06] <ricotz> yes
[16:06] <ricotz> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/67826042/rhythmbox_0.13.3-0ubuntu3_0.13.3-0ubuntu4.diff.gz
[16:07] <seb128> urg
[16:07] <seb128> ricotz, thanks for noticing!
[16:07] <seb128> I did a ls new_name > series
[16:07] <ricotz> seb128, np ;)
[16:08] <seb128> rather than >>
[16:09] <seb128> didrocks, hey, can you do a quick upload for me?
[16:09] <didrocks> seb128: sure
[16:10] <seb128> didrocks, debcheckout rhythmbox, ls *.patches > series and upload, thanks to ricotz who noticed
[16:10] <seb128> didrocks, I did a ls new_patch > series rather than >> series yesterday
[16:10] <didrocks> seb128: sure, doing ;)
[16:10] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, I'm the middle of some debugging now and can't really build or upload
[16:11] <didrocks> no worry!
[16:15] <Laney> gudev-sharp-1.0 was demoted for some reason
[16:15] <Laney> and now banshee is depwait
[16:17] <bcurtiswx> whew, what a ride.
[16:17] <davmor2> Guys sorry to interrupt after the latest updates if I touch the trackpad my system system restarts to gdm.  If I hit enter on gdm then type in my password so I get to unity and then touch the trackpad it restarts to gdm again.  is this known?
[16:17] <pitti> Laney: hm, has it ever been in main? It's not on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt either
[16:17] <Laney> pitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gudev-sharp-1.0/+publishinghistory
[16:18] <seb128> davmor2, upgrade again, there has been an upload to fix that today
[16:18] <pitti> Laney: ah, in bug 607291
[16:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 607291 in taglib-sharp "[MIR] banshee" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607291
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> seb128, that fix disables the two finger scroll (in case that wasn't warranted)
[16:18] <pitti> Laney: was banshee just uploaded? c-m should have it otherwise
[16:19] <seb128> bcurtiswx, ?
[16:19] <pitti> Laney: promoted to main
[16:19] <seb128> bcurtiswx, dunno, ask on #ubuntu-x, I just know the crash is fixed
[16:19] <Laney> pitti: 21 hours ago. I don't know how often it's generated, but if daily then that is fair enough
[16:19] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK
[16:19] <Laney> thanks for fixing
[16:19] <pitti> Laney: hourly actually
[16:22] <davmor2> seb128: Confirmed the fix works :)
[16:32] <pitti> seb128, didrocks: did you see a major influx of bug reports today?
[16:32] <didrocks> pitti: not really, why?
[16:32] <pitti> didrocks: just curious
[16:32] <didrocks> no, suprinsgly quiet (quiet the unity way of course ;))
[16:32] <seb128> pitti, no but usually the inbox issue happens on monday after betas
[16:32] <seb128> not on friday
[16:32] <pitti> *nod*
[16:32] <seb128> quite some users wait on the weekend it seems
[16:32] <pitti> thanks
[16:33] <seb128> np
[16:50] <rodrigo_> can someone please merge this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/couchdb-glib/0_7_2_release/+merge/55956 (already uploaded)
[16:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, doing
[16:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, thanks
[16:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, that makes me think about e-d-s btw
[16:53] <seb128> seems we get quite some e-d-s-adressbook crash bugs
[16:54] <rodrigo_> seb128, with u1 addressbooks?
[16:54] <cyphermox> rodrigo_, afaik not only u1... google has some issues too, and I've had trouble with LDAP recently
[16:55] <rodrigo_> hmm, the evo-.couchdb branch I've got coming fixes a nasty issue with dbus in threads, maybe it's the same for other backends?
[16:55] <cyphermox> rodrigo_, depends what bugs seb128 is referring to
[16:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, the accompanying evo-couchdb branch -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/evolution-couchdb/0_5_3_release/+merge/55957 (already uploaded also)
[16:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, right, I was just checking your commit in git
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> oh, my bfb just changed colour!
[16:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531
[16:57] <ubot2> seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found
[16:58] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/738552
[16:58] <ubot2> seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 738552 not found
[16:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, I fixed it with an ugly hack, so don't look much at that commit :)
[16:58] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/740181
[16:58] <ubot2> seb128: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 740181 not found
[16:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, looking
[16:58] <seb128> thanks
[16:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, well the init is not enough
[16:59] <seb128> libdbus is just not safe to use in threads
[16:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, with the _init call it seems so
[16:59] <seb128> it's creating issues in gvfs with libgnome-keyring as well
[16:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 is a duplicate of the bug I was fixing with my 2 branches
[16:59] <ubot2> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found
[16:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you please close it as duplicate?
[16:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, yeah, gnome-keyring was the cause for the evo-couchdb bug
[16:59] <seb128> thanks
[16:59] <rodrigo_> yes
[17:01] <rodrigo_> hmm, 727370 is already a duplicate of this one
[17:01] <rodrigo_> ah, no
[17:01] <rodrigo_> but lp doesn't let me do it
[17:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, can you try?
[17:02]  * rodrigo_ looks at the other bugs
[17:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, try to dup which one from which one?
[17:03] <rodrigo_> trying to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/720531 as dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb/+bug/727370
[17:03] <ubot2> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 720531 not found
[17:04] <rodrigo_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/738552 is another issue
[17:04] <ubot2> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 738552 not found
[17:04] <rodrigo_> and so is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/740181
[17:04] <ubot2> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 740181 not found
[17:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, done, it didn't like the duplicates from the bug you tried to duplicate
[17:09] <rodrigo_> ah ok, thanks!
[17:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, worked after changing the duplicate number for a few of those and retrying
[17:09] <seb128> it was hitting a timeout in launchpad before
[17:10]  * didrocks waves goodbye
[17:10] <rodrigo_> bye didrocks
[17:10] <didrocks> bye rodrigo_ :)
[17:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw bug #724640
[17:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 724640 in evolution-couchdb "Missing dependency from evolution-couchdb to avahi-daemon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724640
[17:10] <seb128> didrocks, bye
[17:10] <didrocks> seb128: bon week-end!
[17:11] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, why would it need to depend on that?
[17:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, dunno, read the bug comment
[17:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting
[17:12] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, ok, moving to desktopcouch
[17:12] <seb128> "Verify that you have Avahi running: #506601 Pairing and replication does not work if Avahi is down. "
[17:13] <seb128> rodrigo_, oh right, it's a couchdb thing, not an evo-couchdb one
[17:13] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[17:13] <rodrigo_> yeah, moving it now
[17:43] <rodrigo_> ok, going out for some (hot) air, so have a good weekend all!
[17:50] <kklimonda> rodrigo_:  hot air? lucky you :)
[17:51] <kklimonda> it's got really cold today in Warsaw :/
[18:02] <ricotz> kklimonda_, hi :)
[18:03] <kklimonda_> ricotz: hey, thanks for your gtkmm 3.0 packaging - I'll try to work on it this weekend
[18:03] <ricotz> kklimonda_, your welcome, perhaps this can get an FFe
[18:07] <kklimonda_> ricotz: we'll see :)
[18:07] <kklimonda_> that would be great though
[18:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, blue bfb is the new claim for attention animation thing ;-)
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it's confusing, because it makes me think i should click on it (which just opens the dash, and doesn't actually help)
[18:14] <ricotz> seb128, are you ok with these two packages going in the gnome3 ppa? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+packages
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> so, if the messaing icon goes blue, i need to click on it. but, if the bfb goes blue, i need to just hover the mouse over it ;)
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> that's strange
[18:15] <seb128> re
[18:15] <seb128> how did I close that tab?
[18:15] <seb128> ricotz, I was checking on your ppa
[18:15] <seb128> ricotz, seems fine yes
[18:15] <seb128> ricotz, we usually do merge summaries the other way around though, list the remaining ubuntu changes
[18:15] <seb128> but don't bother for a ppa upload ;-)
[18:16] <ricotz> seb128, ok, doing it this way was easier for now
[18:17] <seb128> ricotz, ok
[18:19] <ricotz> seb128, the gnome3 environment getting quite complete for my usage
[18:20] <seb128> nice
[18:21] <ricotz> seb128, there are some packages in the ppa that are worth to go into natty
[18:21] <seb128> which ones?
[18:21] <ricotz> like totem-pl-parser
[18:21] <ricotz> mutter, avahi
[18:24] <seb128> ricotz, it's a bit broken that things like totem-pl-parser went in the ppa to start with
[18:26] <ricotz> seb128, totem depends on this specific version and the freeze made it necessary
[18:28] <seb128> ricotz, well there should be a merge request or sponsoring upload going with such updates
[18:29] <ricotz> seb128, actually i made one for mutter 2.91.92
[18:29] <ricotz> which is obsolete by now
[18:30] <seb128> ricotz, well mutter doesn't interest me but I would have sponsoring  the totem-pl-parser update while I was doing sponsoring yesterday if there had been a request for it
[18:30]  * dobey hopes his freeze exception is granted soon
[18:30] <seb128> dobey, try pinging on #ubuntu-release
[18:31] <ricotz> seb128, i see, i was waiting for debian to catch up, so it could be synced
[18:38] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyone!
[18:39] <kenvandine> you too pitti
[18:43] <seb128> pitti, thanks, you as well
[18:43] <seb128> ricotz, right, that's the reason why it was not updated by somebody else in natty as well, we were waiting to sync ;-)
[18:44] <seb128> but from the moment someone do the update it should be trivial to do a merge request against the vcs
[19:34] <sweeze> using gnome3 ppa, looks like all gtk3 apps are displayed w/ raleigh theme... any way to change/debug this?
[19:37] <sweeze> also, network-manager icon is "not found" icon?
[19:41] <Ampelbein> hmm, are the amd64 retracers not working at the moment?


[02:02] <Maximalist> can you talk about 21.10 here?
[02:04] <Bashing-om> Maximalist: You were in fact miss-directed to this channel - 21.10 is currently supported in the main channel.
[10:25] <PaulW2U> Anyone with a two screens care to look at bug 1965505 ?
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> not me sorry PaulW2U
[10:25] <PaulW2U> Problems don't occur here with a single screen
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> maybe tarzeau got multiple?
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> PaulW2U: did you pull the recent updates?
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> i just fixed my orange dots bug installing updates
[10:28] <PaulW2U> Yes, I'm up-to-date
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> was also a left to bottom issue
[10:29] <PaulW2U> I had too many problems to worry about orange dots :)
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:30] <PaulW2U> Running two screens has always caused me problems while running development release but jammy worse then any of the others
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> PaulW2U: so if i hookup my tv to my laptop, changing dock to bottom would derange apps from workspaces?
[10:34] <PaulW2U> If you configure laptop to show different workspaces, yes.
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> i got 6 workspaces active with that indicator you showed me once
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> ok lets try
[10:37] <lotuspsychje_> PaulW2U: apps seem to keep in place here
[10:37] <PaulW2U> To be clear, you need the "multi-monitor" set-up and not for both screens to show the same workspace.
[10:38] <lotuspsychje_> ok lets c
[10:38] <PaulW2U> I have workspaces 1 to 4 on an external monitor and an additional workspace on the laptop monitor
[10:41] <lotuspsychje_> wich workspace are you on when testing?
[10:41] <PaulW2U> Workspace 1 on external monitor
[10:44] <lotuspsychje_> cant seem to reproduce on intel graphics PaulW2U
[10:45] <lotuspsychje_> showing dock on 2 screens and tested meft bottom right
[10:45] <PaulW2U> ok, hopefully someone else will read this later and will be able to reproduce. Thanks for trying anyway.
[10:52] <lotuspsychje_> np
[12:07] <noent> Heya. I have a question about a missing package: libengine-tpm2-tss-openssl. It was in Jammy a few weeks ago, but has now disappeared. Where can I find more information about this? I was very happy to see it in jammy which meant that I could stop installing it from bullseye-backports...
[12:07] <noent> I already found tpm2-openssl which seems to be a successor, but there isn't even a man page in that package
[14:30] <PaulW2U> noent: removal info for your package can be found on bug 1959414
[14:38] <noent> PaulW2U: thanks. When is the removal of libssl 1.1 happening/planned?
[14:39] <PaulW2U> No idea, I just searched Launchpad for some info re your package :)
[14:40] <noent> oh :P
[17:31] <oerheks> Found my first bug; jammy daily; while installing, choose 3rd party things.. "Some is Proprietary" > Some are Proprietary
[17:43] <oerheks> https://photos.app.goo.gl/TEPnBqGMxxBNLj5g9
[17:44] <oerheks> action photo :-)


[08:45] <hrw> morning
[13:13] <lag> robclark: Morning
[13:13] <robclark> gm lag
[13:13] <lag> Hey buddy, how are you?
[13:13] <robclark> still a bit bleary eyed..  but coffee is starting to do it's job ;-)
[13:14] <lag> Because it's Monday, or did you go out last night?
[13:14] <robclark> no.. just a bit early still.. sun is only just starting to come up
[13:15] <lag> Ah, okay
[13:15] <lag> robclark: You're in Texas aren't you?
[13:15] <robclark> yup
[13:15] <lag> Is Bryan there with you?
[13:16] <robclark> no one is here with me yet.. but I think some will be here later in the morning (although not sure who all)
[13:17] <lag> I'm assuming he'll have access to IRC when he arrives?
[13:18] <robclark> Hmm.. I assume we can work something out..
[13:20] <lag> Excellent :)
[13:23] <ogra_ac> lag, bryan is here already we'll meet in 40min for breakfast
[13:23] <robclark> gm ogra_ac
[13:23] <ogra_ac> hey rob :)
[13:23] <lag> ogra_ac: Good stuff
[13:23] <lag> Do you know the current state of the sound issue?
[13:23]  * ogra_ac is up since 3h ... damned jetlag
[13:23] <robclark> doh
[13:24] <lag> Yeah, I have jet-lag from Thailand
[13:24] <ogra_ac> lag, only that there was much progress on the kernel side and that we still need userspace fixes
[13:24] <robclark> lag: sound seems much better w/ audio patches from L24.10 backported
[13:24] <robclark> one small default.pa change.. since hdmi is now device 0,7 (IIRC)..
[13:24] <ogra_ac> and that time is getting short to get the userspace sorted (2 days left for uploads)
[13:24] <lag> Does the card now report itself to Sound Preferences?
[13:24] <ogra_ac> it does report itself to alsa
[13:25] <ogra_ac> i think PA still needs the devices in the config
[13:25] <lag> Excellent
[13:25] <lag> Is there anything I need to do?
[13:25] <ogra_ac> not sure, i'll ask bryan later
[13:25] <lag> Or is kernel sound done for the release
[13:25] <lag> That's what I'm waiting for ... :)
[13:25] <ogra_ac> mpoirier dod much of the testing, i think we need him around too
[13:25] <robclark> ogra_ac, lag:  is the kernel you are using already having the big stack of audio patches that are here: http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=integration/kernel-ubuntu.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/for-ubuntu-2.6.35
[13:27] <robclark> fyi, on another topic.. updated geexbox packages (enna, libnfo, libplayer, etc) are created for debian: http://www.geexbox.org/sympa/arc/devel/2010-10/msg00009.html
[13:27] <robclark> would be nice to get these in maverick
[13:28] <lag> It doesn't look like it, no
[13:28] <robclark> I've got a few more things to do in libplayer, but now it is starting to work well with hw accel codecs (and opengles)
[13:28] <lag> sebjan: --^
[13:31] <sebjan> lag: hi! the L24.10 audio patches are not pushed yet to the official kernel branch. They are still under test. cooloney did build an image for testing including these patches.
[13:32] <robclark> sebjan: after I figured out that the HDMI device changed, the L24.10 patches seemed a big improvement
[13:33] <lag> sebjan: Then I need to catch up with Bryan (after he's had his breakfast) :)
[13:33] <lag> ogra_ac: Is mpoirer there with you too?
[13:34] <ogra_ac> no
[13:34] <lag> k
[13:34] <ogra_ac> only bryan, tobin, ricardo and me
[13:36] <sebjan> lag: please have look at bug 637947
[13:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637947 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "no sound devices on current ES2.0 boards (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637947
[13:36] <lag> sebjan: I have - it's my bug :)
[13:36] <sebjan> lag: Bryan did provide the location of the image he built with audio, + some updates from berco
[13:37] <sebjan> lag: ok, :) These are the latest updates I have regarding audio. Berco did test it sucessfully and we are happy with these patches also.
[13:37] <lag> sebjan: They're no good to me - sound doesn't work on my board due to a hardware fault
[13:38] <lag> I'm interested to know if the card is reported to Sound Preferences without the script and configuration hacks?
[13:39] <sebjan> berco1: ^  (I think this is still the open issue right now, even with these updates)
[13:43] <lag> Userspace?
[14:15] <dmart> ogra_ac: hey there... do I guess correctly from your nick that you got http://ac100.gudinna.com/ working?  Any good?
[14:20] <ogra_ac> dmart, fsvo good, it runs
[14:20] <ogra_ac> dmart, http://forums.computers.toshiba-europe.com/forums//thread.jspa?threadID=56355&start=75&tstart=0
[14:20] <ogra_ac> seems it generated some interest at toshiba at least
[14:24] <dmart> ogra_ac: if would be great if toshiba could be persuaded to help with the effort :)
[14:24]  * dmart still tempted
[14:25] <ogra_ac> dmart, well, they seem to look for community support
[14:25] <ogra_ac> and that post above sounds like they are willing to help to some extend
[14:27] <dmart> sounds positive, overall
[14:27] <dmart> can I have a look @ UDS?
[14:28] <ogra_ac> sure
[14:28] <dmart> thanks :)
[14:28] <ogra_ac> seems someone just made alsa work :D
[14:29]  * ogra_ac just got a tarball with modules
[14:36] <dmart> $ aplay fanfare.raw
[14:39] <ogra_ac> dmart, well, not that far yet
[14:39] <ogra_ac> ogra@ac100:/lib/modules/2.6.29-arm2-svn1996/kernel/drivers$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[14:39] <ogra_ac>  0 [tegra          ]: tegra-generic-cotegra - tegra
[14:39] <ogra_ac>                       tegra (tegra-generic-codec)
[14:39] <ogra_ac> even the string is mangled
[14:39] <ogra_ac> but the modules load
[14:40] <dmart> hmmm, well it sounds like progress anyhow
[14:40] <ogra_ac> ogra@ac100:/lib/modules/2.6.29-arm2-svn1996/kernel/drivers$ ls /dev/snd/
[14:40] <ogra_ac> controlC0  pcmC0D0c   pcmC0D0p   timer
[14:40] <ogra_ac> no mixer though
[14:40] <ogra_ac> will still need hacking
[14:40] <dmart> Does aplay "work" (even if no sound output)
[14:41] <ogra_ac> no
[14:41] <ogra_ac> it will need tinkering
[14:41] <ogra_ac> i guess as long as the mixer isnt there alsa will fail
[14:41] <dmart> I don't believe aplay touches the mixer (?)
[14:42] <ogra_ac> but it needs to know what the card is
[14:42] <dmart> Does something like aplay -Dhw:0,0 not work?
[14:43] <ogra_ac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/505743/
[14:43] <ogra_ac> seems android blocks access to the socket
[14:44] <dmart> No socket is used for alsa audio, but aplay tries to route via pulseaudio which may be what's happening.  strace might be informative there
[14:45] <ogra_ac> ha !
[14:45] <dmart> I did write a hack to play audio through a device node directly, bypassing the alsa userspace stuff... but with no mixer node, I guess you may not be able to unmute anyway...
[14:45] <ogra_ac> there is a special android daemon i have to run
[14:46] <ogra_ac> works now
[14:46] <dmart> ugh
[14:46] <ogra_ac> binary nvidia stuff :(
[14:46] <ogra_ac> no sources
[14:47] <dmart> maybe this is down to the android-ised nature of the drivers
[14:47] <ogra_ac> sadly that toool also enables userspace cpufreq
[14:47] <ogra_ac> which makes the whole system really slow
[14:47] <dmart> hmmm, that ought to affect android too, not just ubuntu?
[14:48] <rsalveti> morning
[14:48] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: hey, didn't sleep?
[14:48] <rsalveti> :-)
[14:48] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, got up at 5:30 :(
[14:48] <rsalveti> lag: we'll try to follow up the audio issues today, will keep you posted in case you can help us :-)
[14:48] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, we're sitting downstairs
[14:49] <rsalveti> basically we have 2 issues now, one is that alsa is not loading the mixer settings file, and the other is that pulse is not getting the correct default routing
[14:49] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: cool, had your breakfast already?
[14:49]  * rsalveti going down in a minute
[14:49] <ogra_ac> dmart, no, it dynamically en/disables the second cpu based on load ... not a biggie in android wheer you dont really have multitasking
[14:49] <ogra_ac> but noticeable in ubuntu
[14:49] <dmart> ah
[14:49] <ogra_ac> shitty userspace power management
[14:50] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: ouch, would be even harder for brian I'd say
[14:50] <dmart> can running the same magic daemon enable that to work, or is it more tricky than that?
[14:51] <ogra_ac> i run it on ubuntu atm
[14:51] <ogra_ac> prob is that it has all the paths of the helper apps hardcoded
[14:51] <ogra_ac> so i need to do weird stuff to my filesystem
[14:51] <dmart> meh
[14:52] <ogra_ac> (cteating /system/bin and fiddling with LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
[14:52]  * ogra_ac reboots
[15:26] <mpoirier> GrueMaster: good morning
[17:05] <lag> sebjan: Does the OTG port work on the Panda?
[17:09] <hrw> lag: wasn't it working on ES1 versions as only usb port?
[17:09] <lag> It was
[17:09] <lag> How about ES2.0/1
[17:10] <hrw> no idea - waiting for hw
[19:25] <rsalveti> yeeh, we're back on-line
[19:25] <rsalveti> sharing a 3g connection :-)
[19:29] <rsalveti> cooloney: ogra_ac: hey!
[19:29] <rsalveti> it seems to work!
[19:29] <cooloney> rsalveti: good, man, thx
[19:29] <rsalveti> np :-)
[19:29] <ogra_ac> yay
[19:29] <ogra_ac> my lag meter goes mad in xchat though
[19:50] <cooloney> mpoirier: hey, man.
[19:50] <mpoirier> cooloney: hello bryan,
[19:50] <cooloney> mpoirier: i've rebased the audio fix patches here
[19:50] <cooloney> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=roc/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ti-omap4
[19:51] <cooloney> and kernel http://people.canonical.com/~roc/kernel/audio/
[19:51] <mpoirier> cool, just haven't seen any confirmation - was wondering if you had time.
[19:52] <cooloney> mpoirier: we are working on that, wanna make the sound work.
[19:52] <mpoirier> ya... are you working with Irg and friends ?
[19:54] <mpoirier> in any case, I'm available for testing
[19:55] <mpoirier> if you want me to investigate something that you don't have time with, just poke me.
[20:00] <cooloney> mpoirier: great, man. i'm working with ogra, rsalveti and GrueMaster here
[20:01] <cooloney> lag: did you get any progress on the sound issue of es2.0?
[20:03] <mpoirier> cooloney: have you ever built the linaro tree ?
[20:08] <cooloney> mpoirier: oh, no, never tried that
[20:40] <directhex> I swear I'm not smoking crack here... does Firefox on ARM really define its plugin ABI as Linux_unknownABI?