[01:08] <maxolasersquad> Any drupal experts kicking around?
[04:44] <munz> where do trayed apps go in unity...like xchat
[14:27] <jck77> good morning
[14:37] <bleeber> Good mornin


[04:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: snapd-glib [i386] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.47-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[09:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: progress-linux-metapackages (disco-proposed/primary) [20190225-3]
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[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xdg-desktop-portal [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.3-0ubuntu0.2]
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[15:09] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, reasons for ruby-gnome2 failures? also the current package in -release FTBFS in the same way... I suspect some cairo gtk3 changes, but after 4 days of debug... nothing
[15:13] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... gtk3 bumped version
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[15:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tomcat8 [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [8.5.39-1ubuntu1~18.04]
[15:32] <bdmurray> coreycb: Could you improve the regression potential in bug 1818614?
[15:32] <ubot5`> bug 1818614 in neutron (Ubuntu Cosmic) "[SRU] Various L3HA functional tests fails often" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1818614
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unattended-upgrades [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.5ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
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[16:01] <coreycb> bdmurray: yep, done
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[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (bionic-proposed) [2:12.0.5-0ubuntu2]
[17:02] <jdstrand> hey, I asked about this yesterday, but some time ago I issue a FFe for apparmor 2.13. I thought I followed the process, but no one looked at it yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1817799
[17:02] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1817799 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "[FFe] apparmor 2.13" [Undecided,New]
[17:03] <jdstrand> can someone take a look?
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[17:07] <jdstrand> infinity: can you confirm that ^ is even on the list of things to review?
[17:07] <jdstrand> infinity: hi btw :)
[17:09] <jdstrand> ah, it does sho up in https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+subscribedbugs
[17:09] <jdstrand> show even
[17:09] <infinity> jdstrand: The obvious question is, if it's been in progress in Debian for so long, why did we wait until post-FF to get it in Ubuntu? :)
[17:11] <jdstrand> infinity: resource constraints and honestly, bug fixing there. I wanted to do it before the freeze, but there was a particular bug around profile loads that I didn't want to introduce. it was fixed after FF
[17:12] <infinity> jdstrand: Ahh, and the snapd you needed didn't land until just recently, I see.
[17:12] <jdstrand> infinity: I mean, it can technically wait til e opens
[17:12] <jdstrand> infinity: yes, that too
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libunistring [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.9.9-0ubuntu2]
[17:13] <infinity> jdstrand: If your confidence level is very high, and your commitment to fixing it when it turns out you're wrong is even higher, then I'm fine with it.
[17:13] <jdstrand> infinity: but wanted to get this batch of changes in for less disruption. if it is too late now, that isn't the worst thing
[17:13] <jdstrand> infinity: it is and it is
[17:13] <infinity> jdstrand: Just take into account the snappy team's turnaround time too, if you discover that half the bugs are theirs.
[17:14] <jdstrand> heh, those could changes were pretty small. I'm confident and will work with them as needed
[17:14] <jdstrand> code*
[17:14] <jdstrand> jeez, type much?
[17:14] <infinity> jdstrand: Is that ugly snap-confie parser error thing also fixed in newer snapd, or will everyone see that scary on upgrade?
[17:16] <jdstrand> infinity: that should normally be created. I can verify in disco and file a bug and get it on their radar
[17:17] <infinity> Also:
[17:17] <infinity> dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/apparmor.d/cache': Directory not empty
[17:17] <infinity> Do you need some extra magic to migrate or remove old cache contents so we're not leaving cruft around?
[17:17] <cascardo> bdmurray: hey, I have just updated the last bug on the list for makedumpfile bionic SRU, could you get it looked at again, please?
[17:17] <jdstrand> infinity: I saw that and something later cleans it and its gone
[17:18]  * jdstrand looks to see what that is
[17:19] <jdstrand> infinity: postint rm -rf's it
[17:19] <jdstrand> (which is fine, the new parser recreates everything in /var/cache/apparmor
[17:19] <jdstrand> )
[17:20] <infinity> Would probably make more sense for preinst to rm cachedir/* but okay.
[17:20] <jdstrand> I can adjust that
[17:21] <infinity> Not super picky.  I just like clean upgrades, and I'm sure 3 or 4 people still watch the dpkg output. :)
[17:22] <infinity> (Though depending on how and when caches are used, it might make more sense for in general to whack cachedir/* in preinst ANYWAY, so you don't have new binary and old cache before postinst generates new cache?)
[17:22] <infinity> But then you'd want oldcachedir (if upgrade from << foo) AND newcachedir.
[17:24] <jdstrand> the parser will ignore those and put them in /var/cache/apparmor so there isn't an issue if I see what you are getting at, but I'm already testing a fix
[17:25] <infinity> jdstrand: Sure, the new parser will ignore them cause it doesn't read there, but what happens when /var/cache/apparmor contains cache that a new binary doesn't love?
[17:25] <infinity> jdstrand: That was my "in general, maybe wiping it is smart anyway".
[17:26] <infinity> jdstrand: And then, if that general code is there, adding a special case for "oh, and get the old cache dir too, on upgrade from old versions" has a home.
[17:26] <jdstrand> infinity: we don't do that unconditionally on upgrades since the parser is smart enough to know when to invalidate
[17:26] <infinity> Fair enough.
[17:26] <jdstrand> and when not to
[17:35] <bdmurray> cpaelzer__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/numactl/+bug/1817258/comments/20 that'd be highly unusual. Could you explain more why you think we should release it anyway?
[17:35] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1817258 in numactl (Ubuntu Cosmic) ""numastat" doesn't display correct information for the guest." [High,Fix committed]
[17:50] <jdstrand> infinity: so the ugly message/snapd issue is not seen. I think that was a local issue (I recall now I was working with a particularly minimal vm and was purging --force-breaksing and the like and likely removed snapd but didn't purge, so that dir was gone but the profile was on the system)
[17:51] <infinity> jdstrand: Ahh, good.
[17:53] <jdstrand> I'll have the preinst adjusted in a sec (missed a hidden file in my first test :)
[17:53] <jdstrand> infinity: the process says you'd put it at triaged. are you still reviewing?
[17:54]  * jdstrand is happy to wait, just want to upload at the right time :)
[17:56] <infinity> jdstrand: Bug updated.
[17:57] <jdstrand> infinity: thanks for the review :)
[17:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.11]
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apparmor (disco-proposed/main) [2.12-4ubuntu10 => 2.13.2-9ubuntu2] (core)
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[19:43] <ginggs> infinity: o/ if you are handing out FFes, please LP: #1821792
[19:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1821792 in nvidia-cuda-toolkit (Ubuntu) "FFe: Sync nvidia-cuda-toolkit 10.1.105-1 (multiverse) from Debian experimental (non-free) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821792
[20:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python3.7 (disco-proposed/main) [3.7.3-1 => 3.7.3-1ubuntu1] (core)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python3.7 [source] (disco-proposed) [3.7.3-1ubuntu1]
[20:18] <tumbleweed> ginggs: approved
[20:18] <ginggs> tumbleweed: thanks!
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted backports.functools-lru-cache [sync] (disco-proposed) [1.5-3]
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[21:48] <bdmurray> infinity: How should I evaluate the snapd-glib stuff in the cosmic new queue?
[21:50] <infinity> bdmurray: Ask an AA, cause you can't do anything about it?
[21:51] <infinity> bdmurray: (I'll look in a bit)
[21:52] <bdmurray> infinity: thanks
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[22:23] <bdmurray> cascardo: This makedumpfile update looks like a new upstream microrelease in which case https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases should be followed.
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[04:43] <bduk> More almal
[05:40] <Trixar_za> I'll just leave this here: http://www.xkcd.com/
[06:35] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:39] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:47] <stickyboy> Morning, d00ds and d00dettes.
[06:47] <stickyboy> Raise your hand if you've been to Rwanda.
[06:54] <bduk> Does google earth count stickyboy
[07:06] <nuvolari> lol
[07:06]  * nuvolari does'nt think it does
[07:06] <bduk> dem
[07:06] <nuvolari> waar is oom kilos vanoggend? :-/
[07:07] <bduk> ook al gewonder hoop hy is ok
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[07:56] <Kilos> morning superfly  inetpro  rudi-is-me  ThatGraemeGuy  and others
[07:56] <rudi-is-me> Hi Kilos
[07:56] <superfly> ohi
[07:58] <bduk> Hi Kilos  jy darem besluit om op te staan gedag daar is fout
[07:59] <Kilos> hi bduk
[07:59] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[08:00] <Kilos> bduk  skape is al uit, kerrie kook lekker,  en baie dubbeltjies al uit gegrow
[08:01] <bduk> Klink lekker maar jy moet eerste kom groet anders worry ons
[08:01] <Kilos> skuus man
[08:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[08:09] <inetpro> you don't greet your friends from up north? :-)
[08:09] <Kilos> ai!
[08:09] <Kilos> hi stickyboy
[08:10] <Kilos> hi zipper
[08:11] <zipper> Kilos: Hey :)
[08:11] <Kilos> i must learn to start using smileys i spose
[08:15] <zipper> Kilos: lol only if the wanting to know comes from within you :)
[08:15] <Kilos> lol
[08:16] <Kilos> i like pidgin because i can see the pics, here i must remember the code for them
[08:16] <Kilos> irc on pidgin is hard work with other im services too
[08:24] <stickyboy> Kilos: Hola
[08:24] <stickyboy> irssi 4 lyfe
[08:25] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <rudi-is-me> hi
[08:37] <Kilos> inetpro  please give an explanation of what trello kan do for us
[08:37] <Kilos> s/kan/can
[08:38] <Kilos> will help getting others to join ons they can see your plan
[08:38] <Kilos> s/ons/us
[08:38] <Kilos> sjoe geeting my tales mixed up today
[08:40] <Kilos> getting
[08:51] <rudi-is-me> don't worry, it's still early :)
[08:52] <Kilos> lol
[08:57] <inetpro> Kilos: Trello can help us to get organised so we can be more effective
[08:59] <inetpro> you will notice that I have moved lists around to be more logical
[08:59] <inetpro> we now have different lists for: New Ideas, To Do, Current Activities and Done
[08:59] <Kilos> yes i see that
[09:00] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows ya?
[09:00] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe you can help us by taking some of the suggestions made at the meeting and add them as cards under "New ideas"
[09:01] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi oom Kilos
[09:01] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  ek wag vir jou
[09:01] <Kilos> jy moet trello kry
[09:01] <nuvolari> ek't vir oom ge-hangout
[09:02] <Kilos> https://trello.com/
[09:02] <nuvolari> ek het dit oom
[09:02] <nuvolari> ek is @johanmynhardt
[09:02] <Kilos> lol ok dankie ek sien dit op pidgin gewoonlik'
[09:02] <Kilos> watter naam het jy gegee? Johan?
[09:03] <nuvolari> gegee waarvoor?
[09:03] <Kilos> lol
[09:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:04] <Kilos> wel , dit wys n niek of naam wat jy daar insit
[09:04] <inetpro> Kilos: I added him now
[09:04] <Kilos> i see him ty inetpro
[09:05] <Kilos> nuvolari  https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco-basics
[09:05] <Kilos> oi
[09:05]  * stickyboy starts a rival Arch Linux LoCo
[09:06] <Kilos> do they even have locos?
[09:06] <inetpro> stickyboy: go for it
[09:06] <stickyboy> :D
[09:07] <stickyboy> I'm into LUGs, not LoCos.  He asked me if there was another option re the expensive lic fees for the workstations and server. I told him about Ubuntu and he sounded really interested, especially after I told him that it's way more stable.  The one client I have with linux never phones me anymore :(
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:24] <zipper> Kilos: What is a loco?
[09:25] <Kilos> local community i think
[09:25] <Kilos> its a small word with a big meaning
[09:28] <inetpro> 03/02 11:07:34 <Kilos> our loco has lug inside as well
[09:28] <inetpro> ^^
[09:29] <Kilos> lugs
[09:29]  * inetpro very confused with that
[09:29] <Kilos> we get dbnlug peeps here and the glug guys used to be here
[09:29] <Kilos> glug seems to have just about perished
[09:30] <inetpro> ah, now I understand better
[09:30] <Kilos> sorry for not doing it right
[09:30] <inetpro> glug is still alive, just not so much on IRC
[09:30] <Kilos> whats happened to glug
[09:31] <Kilos> #glug Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
[09:31] <Kilos> who did that
[09:31] <inetpro> Kilos: #glug.za man
[09:31] <Kilos> oh ya
[09:31] <Kilos> whew
[09:32] <inetpro> Kilos: join the mailing list if you want to talk with glug peeps
[09:32] <Kilos> na im fine with you guys
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7USLndZn
[09:43]  * ThatGraemeGuy cries
[09:45] <Kilos> oh my ThatGraemeGuy  is that an ssd
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1 of my external drives
[09:45] <Kilos> oh my
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> slightly more than a year old, this might be the fastest a drive has flaked out on me ever
[09:46] <Kilos> try sudo fsck -f /dev/drive
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm running ntfsfix, that's when all the errors started
[09:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> filesystem checking tools don't fix physical errors unfortunately
[09:47] <Kilos> ai! and still kinda new
[09:47] <Kilos> ok lets try
[09:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:47] <Kilos> run badblocks
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> I suspect you don't understand what an unrecovered read error is
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> who's running specials on external drives these days?
[09:48] <Kilos> i have had drives that give i/o errors  and with all the tools made them work longer
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[10:11] <rudi-is-me> ThatGraemeGuy: where are you based?
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> cape town
[10:12] <rudi-is-me> aha, maybe try somewhere like Esquire?
[10:12] <Eujean> Hi, does anyone know if the mirror is down or something? Seems to work fine with main server?
[10:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm don't you need a dealer account with esquire? o_O
[10:12] <Kilos> hi Eujean
[10:13] <rudi-is-me> I think you can get a daily pass or something like that
[10:13] <rudi-is-me> I know they have something like that here in GP
[10:14] <Kilos> Eujean  just give me the link for our mirrior and the bot can check
[10:14] <Kilos> its actually supposed to be using the kenya server
[10:15] <rudi-is-me> otherwise you can check this ThatGraemeGuy http://www.makro.co.za/computing-and-mobile/hard-drives-EBC?sort=3&display=64
[10:15] <rudi-is-me> btw what make was that drive?
[10:16] <Eujean> I was referring to http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:17] <Kilos> Maaz  is http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ down
[10:18] <Kilos> oh my
[10:18] <rudi-is-me> it gives error 404 forbidden
[10:18] <Eujean> I also get 403 forbidden. But with http://archive.ubuntu.co/ubuntu/ it seems to work
[10:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> rudi-is-me: seagate
 Yes, http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is down (403 Forbidden)
[10:19] <rudi-is-me> ThatGraemeGuy: I've read that their drives aren't as hot as they used to be, but I have no idea which ones are good these days. anyone here have an idea?
[10:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, all drives fail, if you ask enough people you will come to the conclusion that every single manufacturer must be avoided like the plague
[10:21] <Kilos> lol
[10:22] <Kilos> Eujean  i think main is also pointed to Symmetria  s server
[10:23] <Kilos> Symmetria  which 2 are pointed to you?
[10:24] <rudi-is-me> that was based on a survey and of all drives tested seagate had the highest fail rate of all, so it wasn't hear say
[10:25] <rudi-is-me> but I get what you're saying about opinions
[10:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> surveys are pointless
[10:26] <rudi-is-me> ok the, I have no point then
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry, i'm just a grumpy old fart, you get used to it, ask Kilos
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[10:26] <Kilos> lol
[10:27] <rudi-is-me> I would also be grumpy if my drive gave the ghost :)
[10:27] <inetpro> Eujean: use http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu/
[10:27] <rudi-is-me> and we all have those days, me, I have them all too often
[10:28] <Kilos> he even gets grumpy when my things give probs
[10:28] <Kilos> hehe
[10:28] <rudi-is-me> lol
[10:28] <Kilos> old age does strange things to peeps
[10:31] <Eujean> thanks inetpro will try now
[10:33] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  what size external are you looking for
[10:41] <Eujean> worked perfectly, thanks inetpro :)
[10:44] <zipper> Ha! I am trying to listen to Nirvana and read at the same time. I end up just drumming on the desk most of the time.
[10:44] <zipper> s/Ha!/haha/
[10:44] <Kilos> hehe
[10:45] <zipper> Their album "From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah" is sweet \o/
[10:56] <inetpro> Eujean: you're welcome
[11:08] <Kilos> oh my is that me
[11:08] <qwebirc11563> ya
[11:35] <magespawn> good afternoon
[11:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[11:54] <magespawn> i using one of the first programs iused to chat with mirc
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:57] <Kilos> when you were still a win peep
[12:03] <magespawn> on that today
[12:06] <magespawn> that was back in the day, 1993-94. somewhere there
[12:06] <Kilos> lol
[12:07] <Kilos> i go try nap a while and see if it helps to stay up later
[13:56] <Kilos-> hi nl
[13:57] <Kilos-> nlsthzn    also as well too
[13:57] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos
[13:57] <Kilos> you been gone long hey?
[13:59] <Kilos> you at work or home nlsthzn  ??
[13:59] <Kilos> https://trello.com/
[13:59] <nlsthzn> currently at home uncle Kilos ... just been busy with this and that...
[13:59] <Kilos> here is a new this and that to do
[13:59] <nlsthzn> wife is very pregnant now and we are in the last few days / weeks ;)
[13:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:00] <nlsthzn> ugh another site that I need to sign up for :(
[14:00]  * nlsthzn can't see it happening :p
[14:00] <Kilos> register at trello then give email addy
[14:01] <Kilos> then pro will add you in somewhere
[14:01] <Kilos> its a tool to arrange and sort out your life
[14:01] <nlsthzn> but why?
[14:01] <Kilos> will help with baby stuffs
[14:01] <Kilos> heehee
[14:02] <nlsthzn> like all those fitness machines it is pointless having any of them if you don't use them :p
[14:02] <Kilos> reminds you when to change nappies etc
[14:02] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:02] <nlsthzn> I am pretty sure I will be reminded :p
[14:02] <Kilos> anyway if you wanna be stubborn today thats fine
[14:03] <Kilos> we still waiting for your suggestions on the new website
[14:03] <Kilos> didnt you read the flys mail??
[14:04] <Kilos> he needs ideas on what needs to go into the new site
[14:04] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/index.html
[14:05] <Kilos> his mail said something about writing stuffs then sending to him and he will use it
[14:05] <Kilos> so nou, jou beurt is jou beurt
[14:05] <nlsthzn> did see... like I was saying about pregnant wife, impending baby etc. etc. :p
[14:05] <nlsthzn> I will try soon
[14:06] <nlsthzn> just the next month or three may be a tad hectic
[14:06] <Kilos> all you can do atm is hold her hand and carry food and things to her
[14:07] <Kilos> dont forget anything or you will pay later
[14:17] <Kilos> haha another new neelsie coming
[14:19] <nlsthzn> :) yup
[14:25] <Kilos> one of these days i want to see a photo with you all in your turbans i think they call them
[14:25] <Kilos> and dresses and veils
[14:25] <Kilos> hehe
[14:27] <nlsthzn> do have some when we went to the grand mosque
[14:27] <nlsthzn> who needs my trello user name?
[14:30] <nlsthzn> posted to G+
[14:30] <Kilos> the pro
[14:30] <Kilos> or me
[14:31] <inetpro> nlsthzn: you can post here also
[14:31] <Kilos> he adds peeps quick so i dont enter you 4 times like with mage
[14:31] <inetpro> or PM me
[14:31]  * Kilos ducks
[14:32] <inetpro> nlsthzn: addded
[14:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:33] <Kilos> maybe a small welcoming card
[14:33] <Kilos> nlsthzn  https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco-basics
[14:33] <nlsthzn> thanks inetpro
[14:34] <nlsthzn> I saw the notifications on the site
[14:34] <inetpro> nlsthzn: yw
[14:34] <Kilos> welcome to trellos ubuntu za
[14:35] <nlsthzn> I will play with the site a bit tomorrow, we are just about to leave for some food...
[14:35] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn  enjoy
[14:35] <inetpro> enjoy!
[14:35] <Kilos> dates and camel milk
[14:35] <nlsthzn> almost :p
[14:35] <Kilos> cant be good for the figure methinks
[14:35] <Kilos> hee hee
[14:36] <nlsthzn> dunno, I am getting rather shapely (and with that I mean round) :p
[14:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:38] <Kilos> thats what i mean
[14:38] <inetpro> Kilos: don't forget to congratulate magespawn, it's his birthday today
[14:38] <Kilos> not good means carrying extra weigh to wear out the feet
[14:38] <Kilos> oh ty inetpro
[14:38] <Kilos> Maaz  tell magespawn Happy birthday our friend
[14:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[14:44] <Kilos> i used to get warnings about birthdays, i wonder what i did to lose that
[14:52] <Kilos> haha inetpro  i moved the done card to the right is that ok?
[14:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I noticed, you got me lekker confused again
[14:54] <Kilos> well logically isnt the done stuff at the end?
[14:55] <inetpro> please don't have sleepless nights about it :-)
[14:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:55] <Kilos> you so cheeky
[14:55] <inetpro> the other stuff actually doesn't fit in there at all
[14:55] <Kilos> 2 days and some hours left
[14:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:56] <inetpro> I added that stuff before I realised how it should be done
[14:56] <Kilos> ya it gets too wide. we need to find a way to put cards under each other as well
[14:56] <Kilos> oh i see you also blunder along at times
[14:57] <Kilos> pity its not an ubuntu package them i could say man trello
[14:57] <inetpro> don't want too many lists on a board, we can always create more boards
[14:57] <Kilos> oh those are lists not cards
[14:58] <inetpro> yebo yes
[15:00] <Kilos> so where the cards went?
[15:01] <Kilos> see if to was under new ideas it would help
[15:01] <Kilos> to do
[15:04] <inetpro> Kilos: did you not go through the "Welcome Board" tips?
[15:05] <Kilos> i think so but forgot everything
[15:05] <Kilos> im a greeter bot not a programmer or web designer
[15:07] <inetpro> Scroll horizontally by dragging the background of a board
[15:07] <Kilos> it said make as many lists as you need
[15:07] <inetpro> sorry, that one is listed under https://trello.com/resources
[15:08] <inetpro> under Tips
[15:08] <Kilos> sjoe you killing my opera
[15:08] <Kilos> tabs go way off the end of the page
[15:09] <Kilos> sjoe so many tips
[15:13] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[15:13] <Kilos> time you got trello
[15:13] <Kilos> https://trello.com/
[15:14] <Kilos> register and give us your name or mail addy
[15:14] <Kilos> then you can see the ubuntu za page
[15:15] <Kilos> Squirm  what about you lad?
[15:17] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[15:17] <Trixar_za> Hello Kilos
[15:18] <Kilos> are you joining us on trello?
[15:18] <Kilos> you need a new toy methinks
[15:20] <Trixar_za> Oh that. No - it's pretty broken.
[15:20] <Kilos> ai!
[15:20] <Kilos> tell the pro
[15:20] <Kilos> fix it
[15:21] <Trixar_za> I already registered, but I couldn't really get it work. Also no usable mobile interface.
[15:21] <Trixar_za> to*
[15:21] <Trixar_za> It's more pain that it's worth imho
[15:21] <Kilos> just give us your mail addy then you can see our page
[15:21] <Kilos> the pro is working there lots
[15:22] <Kilos> the main thing atm i think is to help the fly rebuild our website
[15:23] <Kilos> if everyone jumps in it will be done sooner
[15:23] <Kilos> oh Trixar_za  did they accept your sakis3g
[15:24] <inetpro> Trixar_za: yes, the mobile client seems to be very basic
[15:24] <inetpro> you have a better alternative?
[15:25] <inetpro> looks like many peeps are using Trello despite its weaknesses
[15:26] <Trixar_za> Kilos: No, they didn't.
[15:26] <Kilos> ai! whats their prob?
[15:26] <Trixar_za> And the last time somebody tried to invite me using my email - both of them - they couldn't. So my impression of Trello isn't very good.
[15:26] <Kilos> call your trix3g
[15:27] <Kilos> i think we done invite to our page we just add you
[15:27] <Kilos> dont invite
[15:27] <Trixar_za> I'm not sure there is a replacement for Trello - which would explain why people use it. You don't need to be the best if you're the only player in the game :P
[15:30] <Trixar_za> I prefer open systems that allow you to add yourself rather than make you or others jump through hoops to do so. Having specialized join request page and authentication by a group admin/moderator would be enough to keep unwanted people out of the group.
[15:30] <Kilos> well then the best way is to help them make it better
[15:31] <Trixar_za> Good luck with that
[15:31] <Kilos> lol that was meant for you man
[15:34] <Trixar_za> The sarcasm implies that I've already tried that.
[15:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:34] <Trixar_za> It was like reporting on a feature with mozilla
[15:34] <Trixar_za> And asking the ANC who's fault something is
[15:35] <Kilos> lol
[15:35] <Kilos> our page is coming along fine i think
[15:35] <Kilos> pro working hard there
[15:36] <inetpro> Kilos: uh
[15:36] <inetpro> Trixar_za: you asking me to make our page publicly accessible?
[15:37] <inetpro> or visible
[15:37] <Kilos> ohi TinuvaMac
[15:38] <Kilos> how well you know them mac things
[15:38] <inetpro> guess we have nothing to hide
[15:38] <Kilos> that could make it easier hey inetpro  ?
[15:38] <Trixar_za> Have they atleast removed the stupid restriction of company domains only for registrations to an 'organization'?
[15:41] <inetpro> Trixar_za: I changed it to public now, can you see it at https://trello.com/ubuntuza ?
[15:42]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed
[15:48] <Kilos> inetpro  http://azloco.org
[15:49] <Kilos> is that what you want our login page to resemble
[15:49] <inetpro> Kilos: ask superfly
[15:49] <Kilos> i thought our old one was cool
[15:49] <Kilos> fly not herew
[15:49] <Kilos> here either
[15:50] <inetpro> Kilos: the look and feel is done already man
[15:50] <inetpro> a least the basic look and feel
[15:50] <Kilos> i dont see it
[15:50] <inetpro> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[15:50] <Kilos> ai!
[15:51] <Kilos> the hello world one?
[15:52] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I still don't like Trello even if they improved it since I last tried it. Like now, even after having had to recreate my account, there is NO way I can request to join your board or whatever it's called.
[15:52] <Kilos> cant you search for ubuntuza?
[15:52] <Trixar_za> Oh and it did not tell me that it sent an authentication email. Just grayed out the button.  If this was worth anything, it would have given me an option. Expecting any organisation to first communicate using an external service just so they can join a page on your software means it's not well implemented.
[15:58] <Kilos> ai!
[15:58] <inetpro> Trixar_za: I think I can agree with that but this is not really like joining an organisation, it's just a tool to help us get organised better
[15:59] <Trixar_za> By complicating things for people wanting to simplify and organise themselves?
[15:59] <inetpro> btw, I have now made the board public as well
[15:59] <Trixar_za> I know. I'm looking at it right now. It just doesn't give me any option to join.
[16:00] <inetpro> first time I do this, wasn't sure about all the options
[16:04] <Trixar_za> I'm just going to close this tab. It's like listening to Bok Radio's DJs talk - the idoicy just exasperate me.
[16:04] <Trixar_za> Bad design just feel like a personal insult :|
[16:06] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:21] <Kilos> bbl
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:14] <magespawn> hey hey
[17:14] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn Happy birthday our friend" 2 hours, 35 minutes and 31 seconds ago
[17:16] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[17:16] <Private_User> just sat down here now
[17:17] <Private_User> what is this trello about?
[17:18] <magespawn> hi Private_User
[17:18] <Private_User> hi magespawn
[17:18] <Private_User> is it really your birthday magespawn?
[17:19] <magespawn> unfortunately
[17:19] <Private_User> Happy Birthday!!!
[17:19] <magespawn> ty
[17:19] <Kilos> hi my magespawn   happy happy lad
[17:19] <Kilos> how old now?
[17:19] <Kilos> how young also
[17:19] <magespawn> thanks Kilos
[17:20] <magespawn> 39
[17:20] <Kilos> sjoe ballie time close
[17:20] <magespawn> just around the corner
[17:20] <Kilos> Private_User  its a tool for organising stuff i think
[17:21] <magespawn> workflow collaboration tool
[17:21] <Kilos> read what the pro said about it
[17:21] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[17:21] <Kilos> you need to put a photo there
[17:22] <magespawn> i'll get around to it at some point
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:23] <Kilos> evening superfly
[17:23] <Private_User> ok thanks Kilos
[17:23] <Private_User> thanks magespawn
[17:23] <magespawn> np
[17:46] <superfly> magespawn: happy birthday!
[17:46] <superfly> magespawn: 21 again?
[17:47] <inetpro> Happy Birthday magespawn
[17:53] <Kilos> hehe inetpro  see if they can add a join button for those that find things difficult
[18:05]  * inetpro still not exactly sure why Trixar_za is so unhappy about the joining part
[18:06] <Kilos> maybe hes having a bad mood day
[18:07] <inetpro> btw, I changed the main ubuntuza org page back to private but the LoCo board is public
[18:08] <inetpro> for now
[18:08] <inetpro> superfly: that ok with you?
[18:08] <Kilos> i dont mind
[18:08] <superfly> inetpro: whatevs
[18:09] <inetpro> didn't look cool to display all members there with permission status
[18:11] <inetpro> ok, so let's get cracking
[18:11] <inetpro> how about we tackle the new site's About page today?
[18:12] <inetpro> that would be http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/about.html
[18:13] <inetpro> what content would you like people to see when they land on this page?
[18:14] <Kilos> diverse group of people
[18:14] <Kilos> otherwise its good imo
[18:15] <Kilos> isnt set of peeps kinda wrong
[18:19] <superfly> inetpro: do we really need an about us page? is the jumbotron on the front page not enough?
[18:19] <inetpro> superfly: I was wondering about exactly that now
[18:20] <inetpro> at least I don't think we need the About page as well as the Contact page
[18:20] <Kilos> whats a jumbotron
[18:21] <inetpro> superfly: I say we keep either Contact or About
[18:21] <Kilos> those headings?
[18:21] <Kilos> they need to be in english
[18:21] <superfly> Kilos: the jumbotron is the big block on the front page with a big button in it
[18:21] <superfly> inetpro: https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/mailing-list/+merge/248432
[18:22] <Kilos> oh the hello world block
[18:23] <superfly> yes
[18:24] <Kilos> ya thats cool because that leads to everywhere else right?
[18:24] <superfly> inetpro: should we rename "contact us" to "get involved" ?
[18:24] <superfly> Kilos: that's the idea, yes
[18:24] <inetpro> superfly: good idea
[18:25] <Kilos> so going that route makes a site that open fast
[18:26] <Kilos> which is important in todays world
[18:27] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:27] <inetpro> superfly: should I wait before I review?
[18:27] <inetpro> actually trying to find my notes from last time
[18:28] <superfly> inetpro: not at all. take a look, approve if you think my changes look good, and then I'll merge
[18:28] <superfly> unless you want to merge.
[18:28] <Kilos> we have 2 days to get something working there because the council will want to see something with flys application i think
[18:28]  * inetpro approved
[18:30] <superfly> inetpro: do you want to merge, or do you want me to?
[18:30] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_
[18:30] <Tonberry_> hi
[18:30] <inetpro> superfly: can you give me the steps again... maybe good if I do it
[18:31] <superfly> inetpro: go to your trunk directory
[18:31] <superfly> $ bzr up
[18:31] <superfly> $ bzr merge <remote branch>
[18:31] <superfly> $ bzr commit -m "<message>"
[18:32] <superfly> actually, $ bzr commit -m "<message>" --author="Author Name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:32] <inetpro> go to trunk would start with '$ cd ~/Projects/ubuntu-za/trunk' ?
[18:32] <superfly> ya
[18:33] <superfly> inetpro: so your merge command will look like this: $ bzr merge lp:~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/mailing-list
[18:33] <inetpro> ah
[18:33] <inetpro> ty
[18:35] <superfly> inetpro: the merge proposal page actually tells you the command to run
[18:36] <inetpro> done
[18:36] <superfly> woo!
[18:36] <superfly> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za-dev/ubuntu-za/website
[18:36] <superfly> see? it has my commit
[18:37] <inetpro> cool, now you need to do the Nikola thing
[18:38] <inetpro> before Kilos can see the latest change
[18:38] <superfly> will do, in a few
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <superfly> baby...
[18:38] <inetpro> haha
[18:38] <Kilos> im always in it even when im out of it
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: it's a slow and clumsy process but we'll get there
[18:39] <Kilos> i am patient
[18:39] <Kilos> to a fault
[18:40] <Kilos> dont know what that actually means but it always sounded good
[18:41] <inetpro> superfly: what about captine's changes the other day?
[18:42] <inetpro> status is still Pending
[18:43] <superfly> inetpro: review them, but he probably needs to merge trunk into his branch, and then push up again
[18:45] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[18:45] <kulelu88> hi hi
[18:45] <inetpro> superfly: done
[18:45] <superfly> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/contact.html
[18:45] <kulelu88> how much are .info domains?
[18:46] <inetpro> superfly: nice!
[18:46]  * inetpro likes the subscribe box sommer inside our site
[18:47] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[18:47] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: do you see the change?
[18:48] <Kilos> nope
[18:48] <magespawn> ty
[18:48] <inetpro> refresh
[18:48] <superfly> Ctrl+F5
[18:48] <superfly> inetpro: https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/bzr-tutorial/+merge/248434
[18:49] <inetpro> approved
[18:50] <inetpro> superfly: shall I do the merge again?
[18:50] <superfly> inetpro: if you want to
[18:51] <superfly> let me know when you're done
[18:52] <inetpro> ok
[18:52] <inetpro> how do I add multiple lines in the message?
[18:52] <inetpro>  -m "...\n..." ?
[18:53] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[18:53] <superfly> inetpro: uh, I think that might work. I usually use "qcommit" and type it in the GUI
[18:53] <inetpro> qcommit?
[18:53] <inetpro> that's something new
[18:53] <superfly> comes with qbzr
[18:54] <inetpro> interesting
[18:54] <superfly> sudo apt-get install qbzr
[18:54] <superfly> gives you gui dialogs
[18:54] <superfly> qlog
[18:55] <inetpro> Need to get 42,9 MB of archives
[18:55] <inetpro> getting there
[18:57] <inetpro> superfly: so what would the whole commit command look like?
[18:57] <inetpro> 85%
[18:59] <superfly> inetpro: $ bzr qcommit
[18:59] <inetpro> damn!
[19:00] <inetpro> superfly: I'm running in a VM :-(
[19:00] <superfly> yoish
[19:00] <inetpro> that was not very clever
[19:00] <inetpro> hang on two secs
[19:00]  * superfly looks for something to grab
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:08] <inetpro> superfly: Committed revision 10.
[19:08] <superfly> ah, finally!
[19:08] <inetpro> sorry for the delay
[19:08] <inetpro> \n didn't do it
[19:09] <inetpro> will find out about that
[19:09] <superfly> inetpro: that's why you just press <enter> in qcommit
[19:09] <inetpro> other option would be just to use vim as the editor
[19:10]  * inetpro is rusted
[19:10] <Kilos> hehe
[19:10] <magespawn> sudo aptitude install qbzr
[19:11] <inetpro> magespawn: I'm running the branch on a server in a VM
[19:11] <magespawn> cool beans
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: yep, don't specify an -m and it'll open up $EDITOR
[19:12] <magespawn> does get a bit confusing when working with more than one pc/windows etc
[19:12] <inetpro> we'll get there
[19:14] <magespawn> one question, why work in restructured text then convert it into html, why not just work in in html?
[19:14] <superfly> inetpro: captine's changed merged
[19:14] <superfly> magespawn: html, ugh. life's too short
[19:14] <superfly> magespawn: have you ever tried editing a technical document in HTML?
[19:15] <superfly> this is *WAY* more maintainable. AND non-technical people can also contribute.
[19:16] <magespawn> nope, what would qualify as a technical document?
[19:16] <inetpro> superfly: wow, we're on the roll today
[19:16] <superfly> inetpro: just stuff I've been doing here and there.
[19:16] <superfly> magespawn: have you seen the Python documentation?
[19:17] <magespawn> yes, i see
[19:18] <inetpro> superfly: let us know when you've updated with Nikola
[19:18] <superfly> OK, then I need to go after that.
[19:18] <magespawn> how do i check the installed nikola version again?
[19:20] <superfly> Maaz: tell captine http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/getting-involved.html
[19:20] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell captine on freenode
[19:20] <inetpro> superfly: I can confirm that the subscription form works
[19:20]  * inetpro just tested
[19:20] <superfly> inetpro: I know ;-)
[19:20] <superfly> magespawn: nikola --version
[19:20] <magespawn> ty
[19:21] <magespawn> which one do we need?
[19:21] <superfly> 7.1
[19:21] <superfly> or, at least 7
[19:22] <superfly> inetpro: I added a link to the forum in the "Social Media" list
[19:22] <inetpro> superfly: nice! Thanks
[19:22] <inetpro> now we can even give the forums a go again
[19:23] <magespawn> okay, cool beans, 7.0.1
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: you not jumping up and down yet, what's wrong?
[19:23] <Kilos> lol im looking
[19:24] <Kilos> the learn more button still does go anywhere
[19:24] <Kilos> doesnt
[19:25] <inetpro> learn more button?
[19:25] <inetpro> oh, on the home page
[19:25] <Kilos> ya that jumbo thing
[19:26] <inetpro> ya man relax, we updated everything else except the home page
[19:29] <magespawn> i forget the link
[19:29] <inetpro> magespawn: https://trello.com/
[19:30] <magespawn> not that one, the one where the temp site is
[19:30] <inetpro> lol
[19:31] <Kilos> its in there i think
[19:31] <inetpro> magespawn: http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[19:31] <magespawn> ty
[19:31] <Kilos> so where is captines stuff?
[19:32] <Kilos> Maaz  seen captine
[19:32] <Maaz> Kilos: captine was last seen 1 day, 16 hours, 49 minutes and 52 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-02-01 18:42:19 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-02-01 20:49:08 PST
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/getting-involved.html
[19:32] <Kilos> ty
[19:33] <Kilos> oh thats cool
[19:33] <Kilos> methunk fly dunnit
[19:33] <inetpro> clever hey?
[19:34] <Kilos> ya
[19:35] <magespawn> looking good
[19:37] <Kilos> nice and fast too
[19:38] <magespawn> another question, if you create a site with nikola, can you edit the html afterwards?
[19:39] <magespawn> a bit pointless i know, just curious
[19:41] <magespawn> if i can learn how to work this properly i will be redoing all the company websites with it
[19:41] <Kilos> sjoe you too old to learn all this new stuffs
[19:41] <magespawn> joomla is too much, and the security of the sites is a nightmare
[19:41] <magespawn> never too old to learn Kilos
[19:41] <Kilos> oh only after next year
[19:42] <Kilos> hehe
[19:42] <magespawn> just sometimes takes longer
[19:43] <Kilos> you need to save everything them 2 talk about
[19:43] <magespawn> and dedicate some time to learning it
[19:43] <magespawn> but right now it is bedtime
[19:43] <magespawn> good night all
[19:44] <Kilos> lol night magespawn  sleep tight
[19:44] <kulelu88> Maaz seen spinza
[19:44] <Maaz> kulelu88: spinza was last seen 24 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes and 12 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-10 06:17:18 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2015-02-03 09:17:13 PST
[19:44] <kulelu88> Maaz seen cocooncrash
[19:44] <Maaz> kulelu88: cocooncrash was last seen 6 months, 26 days, 2 hours, 1 minute and 22 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-07-12 10:43:21 PDT], and has been online on atrum since 2015-01-28 13:13:20 PST
[19:44] <kulelu88> :-/
[19:45] <Kilos> the crash kid doesnt have time anymore
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: now you can even see superfly's tutorial here: http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/bazaar-tutorial.html
[19:45] <Kilos> just manages to fix maaz when it breaks
[19:45] <inetpro> no need to save everything we say here
[19:45] <Kilos> didnt i tell maaz to remember that
[19:46] <inetpro> it has never been online like this
[19:47] <inetpro> superfly: now we just need your nikola tutorial as well :-)
[19:47] <Kilos> hehe
[19:47] <inetpro> I really like this man
[19:47] <inetpro> very cool
[19:48] <Kilos> Maaz  fly.bazaar
[19:48] <Maaz> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/bazaar-tutorial.html
[19:49] <Kilos> now we need fly.nikola
[19:49] <inetpro> oh, ok
[19:49] <inetpro> never too old to learn something new
[19:50] <inetpro> eish!
[19:50] <Kilos> wat nou?
[19:50] <Kilos> what did you break
[19:50]  * inetpro being doff again... obviously it was there, I even posted the link on trello
[19:51] <Kilos> oh we can share the addy again, im not doing stupid things atm
[19:51] <inetpro> getting confused because it was not merged into the bzr project yet
[19:51] <Kilos> so its just the home page now?
[19:52] <inetpro> well, and anything else you want to change
[19:52] <Kilos> not me i follow the leaders
[19:52] <Kilos> maybe a link to blogs will be good
[19:52] <inetpro> I think we need a tutorials page
[19:52] <Kilos> we can all start new blogs
[19:53] <Kilos> ya that too
[19:53] <Kilos> poor fly got so much work
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: the way he has done it is exactly meant to save him time
[19:55] <Kilos> haha there is a good add on the idiot box
[19:55] <Kilos> laatie does lots of his moms work for her so she can have time to attend his play
[19:59] <inetpro> :-)
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos: look at this one: http://www.ubuntu.org.zw/node/7
[20:02] <Kilos> inetpro  i tried to contact them, i think they are dead
[20:02] <inetpro> ah
[20:04] <Kilos> even mails cant be delivered
[20:08] <Kilos> oh inetpro  you can put rep of congo in the networking list too
[20:08] <Kilos> arnaud is there
[20:08] <inetpro> uh, you are welcome to do it sir
[20:08] <Kilos> lol
[20:08] <Kilos> ok lemme try
[20:08] <Kilos> at least i have you to fix it
[20:09] <inetpro> right there where I added: "add more here"
[20:09] <inetpro> did that for you
[20:10] <Kilos> ty sir
[20:10] <Kilos> did it work?
[20:10] <inetpro> yep, as easy as that
[20:10] <Kilos> cool beans
[20:10] <inetpro> have you linked them yet?
[20:10] <Kilos> who always says that
[20:11] <Kilos> well isnt them agreeing to be linked to us linking them
[20:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:12] <inetpro> so you had a conversation?
[20:12] <Kilos> of course
[20:13] <Kilos> arnaud said we can help him setup a loco as soon as they have all got launchpad goodies
[20:13] <inetpro> ahh
[20:14] <Kilos> i think he has some peeps more raw than i am
[20:14] <inetpro> now go add more of them on the list who you still want to connect with
[20:14] <inetpro> gotta set some goals here sir
[20:14] <Kilos> the fly said dont rush
[20:15] <Kilos> 2 is enough for starters
[20:15] <inetpro> of course, no rush needed, but you can list them so long, unless you want to forget again
[20:15] <Kilos> the end goal is to link the whole of africa
[20:16] <Kilos> and sticky is going to give me more info after he has been to some neighbouring countries on work
[20:16] <inetpro> well there's a list of African LoCos at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[20:17] <Kilos> hi octoquad
[20:17] <Kilos> ty for that
[20:18] <inetpro> we just need to try get them all Verified again
[20:19] <kulelu88> start with namibia, bots, kenya
[20:19] <inetpro> or at least some of them
[20:19] <Kilos> ill contact them over time and see what can be done
[20:19] <Kilos> namibia has 6 members and they dont answer queries even when directed to their admin guys
[20:20] <Kilos> remember i said you should approach them in german
[20:20] <Kilos> ill try joining them next and using afrikaans
[20:21] <Kilos> one aunty has some nice blogs
[20:21] <Kilos> mainly about farming
[20:21] <Kilos> veggies
[20:28] <Kilos> inetpro  how does on reverify locos?
[20:28] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:28] <Kilos> that was hard work
[20:29] <Kilos> maybe better to go with verified locos first
[20:29] <Kilos> anyway. night all. sleep tight
[20:30] <inetpro> that should not be your biggest worry, just try to get contacts first and let them worry about the verification
[20:30] <inetpro> all they need is a little bit of motivation
[20:37] <octoquad> hey Kilos :)
[20:46] <inetpro> hmm... he lost connectivity?
[20:46] <inetpro> oh no, he actually said good night
[20:46] <inetpro> that was too quick
[21:09] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for telling us about qbzr
[21:09] <inetpro> qlog is brilliant
[21:10] <superfly> yw


[00:51] <cmaloney> greg-g: WEll that sounds like fun
[01:03] <cmaloney> EVening
[01:03] <cmaloney> Apparently I hang on the shift key a lot. :)
[02:15] <cmaloney> https://archive.org/details/openmetalcast
[02:56] <cmaloney> http://www.anandtech.com/show/7245/ergodox-review-an-ergonomic-mechanical-keyboard-via-massdrop
[04:03] <derekv> http://echo.rsmw.net/n00bfaq.html#the-indentation-thing so i guess, haskell is whitespace sensitive.  sometimes.  if you want.
[04:10] <rick_h_> widox: greg-g 0.1a8 released https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bookie/
[14:01] <cmaloney> good morning
[14:01] <rick_h_> morning
[14:03] <brousch> kill me now
[14:03] <rick_h_> umm, wasn't planning on it, but I guess
[14:04] <brousch> Sinus  infection has had me up at 3:30-4AM every day this week
[14:04] <brousch> Couldn't get back to sleep this morning
[14:15] <cmaloney> Ugh
[14:24] <jrwren> ugh
[14:25] <jrwren> greg-g: have you tried the socratic method?
[14:32] <cmaloney> jrwren: Having a debate with your servers to stimulate critical thinking?
[14:36] <jrwren> cmaloney: i haven't needed to, yet.
[14:45] <cmaloney> Ah, thought that was how you were using the socratic method.
[14:45] <cmaloney> ;)
[14:46] <brousch> Has anyone heard of a good use for a 1U rack tray containing approximately 19 Raspberry Pis (and power for them)?
[14:47] <rick_h_> raising your electrical bill? taking up that last empty 1U space in your rack?
[14:48] <brousch> Someone local designed such a thing for a specific purpose, but is looking for ideas on other uses
[15:00] <devinheitmueller> Wall of televisions?
[15:04] <brousch> devinheitmueller: That's all I could come up with too. Someplace that needed to stream a lot of videos to different locations
[15:04] <devinheitmueller> If the Pi had better transcoding support, it would make a nice transcoder.
[15:04] <devinheitmueller> There are comparable BCM components with transcoding cores, but I don't believe the Pi has one.
[15:05] <brousch> They were talking about Beagle Bone Blacks instead of Pis at some point
[15:05] <devinheitmueller> I don't think the BeagleBone Black has an H.264 encode core.
[15:06] <devinheitmueller> If I recall, it only has a decoder.
[15:06] <devinheitmueller> The BeagleBone Black is a nice piece of kit though.
[15:19] <devinheitmueller> brousch: here you go:  http://hackaday.com/2013/11/20/raspis-and-arduinos-for-fm-broadcast-streaming/
[15:21] <brousch> That's interesting
[15:37] <cmaloney> It might be useful for multi-machine parallel processing experiments that don't require a lot of CPU
[15:38] <cmaloney> outside of that I'm not sure what you'd get out of such an experiment other than street-cred.
[15:38] <cmaloney> and dubious street-cred at that.
[15:42] <brousch> Well there is apparently one legit use for it, but I don't know what that was
[16:17] <greg-g> jrwren: I doubt it'll work, it'll come off as condescending
[16:55] <jrwren> greg-g: don't condescend.
[16:56] <jrwren> brousch: openstack on ARM
[16:56] <jrwren> 19 compute nodes :p
[16:57] <brousch> Maybe an openstack training tool?
[17:00] <greg-g> jrwren: so hard not to! ;)
[17:44] <jrwren> greg-g: change comes from within
[17:51] <greg-g> jrwren: yes master.
[19:07] <rick_h_> ok, this is cool http://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?ux=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbmark.us&tab=mobile
[19:08] <rick_h_> waf: back when we were hacking on the tag widget for bookie didn't you have one you were using that was native JS?
[19:37] <waf> rick_h_: yeah, i have this one that sits on top of the jquery autocomplete widget: http://files.fuqua.io/misc/wondrous/
[19:37] <waf> from forever ago. jquery 1.6
[19:45] <rick_h_> waf: ah, nvm then. Yea, I want to do a tag widget for the FF plugin and debating on trying to port my YUI one over to pure modern-js or not
[19:51] <waf> yeah, probably too much baggage
[19:51] <waf> modern js could be fun. maybe some datalist love
[20:00] <rick_h_> hmm, interesting
[20:00] <rick_h_> yea, I've been having fun going pure JS, just things you take for granted like delegate events and such
[20:04] <waf> yeah, the introduction of querySelector[All] made it fun
[20:05] <waf> what do you mean delegate events? just like listening on a top level element for child element events?
[20:06] <rick_h_> yea, well in YUI it returns an event object you can use to check if the event is already bound, etc. I ran into issues with that and getting dupe events, getting issues in node.value vs node.setAttribute, etc
[20:06] <rick_h_> little things that just are enough different that with the way the extension works (long living, open/close/etc) made for some fun getting things working last night
[20:07] <rick_h_> YUI delete takes an additional param on what selector to watch for so you can delegate on one node, for all a, in raw js that's all manual
[20:08] <waf> ah, gotcha
[20:08]  * rick_h_ is spoiled by modern JS tools
[20:08] <waf> oh, btw! how did chc go?
[20:09] <rick_h_> meh, we had 5 people and had two tables not connected. Worked well enough I think.
[20:09] <rick_h_> bandwidth is nice on the mifi there, coffee was ok, but not that good, busier than I had hoped, and we couldn't take over the back area
[20:09] <rick_h_> so we'll keep going and see how it goes
[20:09] <rick_h_> but we should split up and grab two tables to start with probably and make sure we've got room for at least 8
[20:10] <rick_h_> got derekv's bookie android app updates on my phone :)
[20:27] <cmaloney> Yeah, I think it went well
[20:27] <cmaloney> and I think rick_h_ got the wrong coffee. ;)
[20:28] <rick_h_> hah
[20:28] <rick_h_> it was a bit watery
[20:28] <cmaloney> Might be the soy milk they use
[20:29] <cmaloney> You might want to try the french vietnamese coffee
[20:29] <cmaloney> I <3 lattees but that is some gooooood shit.
[20:30] <rick_h_> ok, I'll experiment next week
[20:30] <cmaloney> I'll get you a small one so if you don't like it no worries. :)
[20:31] <rick_h_> yea, all good
[20:31] <rick_h_> but yea, I mean we had CHC, we had room for more than 4, and we got some work done. So I'll call it a success
[20:31] <cmaloney> ++
[20:31] <rick_h_> and I liked the walking around down town, kind of cool
[20:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's nice down there.
[20:32] <cmaloney> Not so nice when it's' 5 below but you take the good / bd.
[20:32] <cmaloney> bad
[20:32] <rick_h_> heh, I don't mind a little brisk walk
[20:32] <rick_h_> hope they shovel it up a bit in the snow
[20:32] <cmaloney> Let's just say that brick looks nice when it's not snowing
[20:33] <rick_h_> and cmaloney can get rides now so we can get him wasted since I have to pass his house to get there/back
[20:33] <cmaloney> and it's a real bitch when it is
[20:33] <cmaloney> woo woo!
[20:33] <rick_h_> hah
[20:33] <cmaloney> "Shhhuuure JoSheee. I hasssn't been dinkin' tonighsshsssht."


[04:30] <TheMuso> stgraber: Ok, re bug 939450, its a GTK bug, and the bug is specific to the GtkTreeviewColumn code. I've found the last version of GTK3 where this works properly, so now its just a matter of bisecting and finding the commit which introduced the bug. Certainly won't have a fix by beta, but hope to have a fix by the end of the week with upstrea's help.
[04:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 939450 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable in ubi-partman.py" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939450
[04:46] <stgraber> TheMuso: cool, that's good news. thanks
[04:46] <TheMuso> stgraber: np
[17:43] <stgraber> and now digging into dbfilter ... apparently something doesn't always trigger, causing the keyboard issue ...
[17:44] <stgraber> well, I guess I better go grab some food first as that'll likely take a while


[00:16] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I can sponsor it for you
[00:20] <robert_ancell> jbicha, what's the best way to send you the patch?
[00:23] <jbicha> push to git@salsa.debian.org:debian-ayatana-team/snapd-glib.git
[00:30] <robert_ancell> jbicha, argh, I can't work it out. What do you name the local branch for salsa/master and what command to push it to salsa?
[00:41] <jbicha> git clone git@salsa.debian.org:debian-ayatana-team/snapd-glib.git
[00:41] <jbicha> make your changes and then git push :)
[00:41] <jbicha> sunweaver doesn't really use pristine-tar and all the other fancy gbp stuff
[00:43] <jbicha> I personally still use gbp to build so I have to something like --no-pristine-tar --git-tarball-dir=.. (or wherever you keep your tarball)
[00:57] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I was trying to do it with a second remote in my standard snapd-glib branch but it didn't want to work. Did a separate checkout for salsa and worked. *shrug* git
[05:20] <tjaalton> duflu: hey, do you think we should aim to get libinput 1.12 in cosmic?
[05:20] <tjaalton> I could put it in the staging ppa
[07:37] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:43] <jibel> Good morning seb128
[07:43] <seb128> lut jibel, en forme ?
[07:50] <duflu> tjaalton, I don't know what's worth waiting for in 1.12. It's not like it's an LTS we're aiming for. I do have some libinput fixes in mind but those don't exist in 1.12 or anywhere yet
[07:50] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:50] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:51] <duflu> seb128, good. Dinner became lunch so all done now. How are you?
[07:51] <seb128> I hope the lunch was nice :)
[07:51] <seb128> I'm good!
[07:51] <seb128> going to try to get n-m updated today since it's ff day
[07:53] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:54] <oSoMoN> seb128, sorry I forgot to move the LO 6.1 card to in progress, I had only updated the bug status
[07:54] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm testing a build in a VM, I'm on track for uploading to cosmic later today
[07:54] <oSoMoN> need to check with the release team when exactly FF will be in effect
[07:55] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, salut! en forme ?
[07:56] <duflu> Today is one of those days when you update your system. And then there are more updates pending
[07:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, 9pm today according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseSchedule
[07:56] <oSoMoN> perfect, that gives me plenty of time then
[07:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, I updated poppler, I hope that's not going to create an issue for libreoffice
[07:57] <seb128> (the changes there seem rather non disruptive but you never knows)
[07:57] <seb128> oSoMoN, if you don't get it in today it should be easy to get a ffe tomorrow or early next week so don't overstress over it
[07:59] <oSoMoN> re- poppler my VM has your update so I'll know very soon if it causes issues
[08:00] <seb128> good :)
[08:00] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm not working tomorrow, so I'd rather get it in properly today, but it's good to know that there's the ffe backup option early next week just in case
[08:00] <seb128> right
[08:02] <jibel> seb128, en forme et toi?
[08:02] <seb128> ça va bien!
[08:08] <tjaalton> duflu: thinkpad nipple acceleration fixes
[08:08] <duflu> tjaalton, yes worth it then if they work
[08:09] <duflu> Also if the whole redesign in 1.12 works
[08:09] <tjaalton> I haven't tried 1.12~ yet but the current version is useless OOTB
[08:10] <duflu> I know roughly what's left that I want to fix in libinput but don't know when I will get to it
[08:17] <tjaalton> ok
[08:49] <seb128> duflu, if you don't like those "Update to <version>" titles we should fix the versions' script to add the source name or something, because otherwise it's going to keep bothering you
[08:56] <duflu> seb128, I ignore most of them, but in some listings the lack of context is confusing. A mild "yes" to fixing the script
[08:56] <seb128> do you have an example of those "listing"?
[08:56] <seb128> launchpad bug lists have the source package info
[08:56] <duflu> seb128, any search of distro "Ubuntu" bugs
[08:57] <seb128> the result line should have the source listed no?
[08:57] <duflu> Yeah, different line though
[08:57] <seb128> k, fair enough
[08:57] <duflu> I prefer the ease of communication
[08:57] <seb128> thx for the feedback
[08:57] <duflu> seb128, it did not bother me enough to ask anyone to fix it
[08:58] <seb128> right, I just saw you title edit in my bugs emails box :)
[08:59] <duflu> seb128, although you may wish to keep the terse titles and reuse the same bug for multiple packages. Might be helpful to view multiple Gnome packages needing updating
[09:00] <seb128> we don't do that, and I usually dislike tracking "similar request but on different components" in one bug
[09:00] <seb128> since the status are not linked for the different parts
[09:00] <seb128> and everyone gets emailed
[09:00] <seb128> even those interested by component that have been fixed
[09:01] <seb128> when their side of the work is done
[13:56] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[13:57] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are oyu?
[13:57] <ricotz> seb128, hi, do you see any problems with uploading vala 0.41.92 to cosmic now?
[13:57] <kenvandine> hey ricotz
[13:58] <ricotz> seb128, I am good, I was hoping for some more time for libreoffice backports ;), but this will have to wait until next week
[13:58] <ricotz> kenvandine, hi
[13:58] <seb128> ricotz, well, it's not ff yet so it's ok according to the rules, I didn't look at the changes/impact/build issues it creates though
[13:58] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[13:59] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:59] <ricotz> seb128, jbicha have looked at the direct dependencies of libvala https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/vala42/+packages -- and there was a wider rebuild done here https://launchpad.net/%7Ericotz/+archive/ubuntu/cosmic-vala-42/+packages?start=0&memo=0&batch=200
[14:01] <ricotz> seb128, so this looks fine, upcoming gnome 3.30 rc releases will fix more of those failures
[14:01] <seb128> ricotz, if you/jbicha want to land it feel free
[14:03] <ricotz> seb128, thanks
[14:34] <Trevinho> seb128: hey have you seen https://csorianognome.wordpress.com/2018/08/22/desktop-icons-goes-beta/ ? :)
[14:35] <seb128> Trevinho, yes, I commented on the draft on #nautilus before he posted, also I updated the trello card earlier this week if you saw :)
[14:35] <Trevinho> No I didn't get the notification on the card, but yeah.. .looks lovely
[14:36] <Trevinho> seb128: guess that on 19.04 we're updating nautilus then..
[14:36] <seb128> could be
[14:36] <seb128> if the tracker MIR is approved :p
[14:39] <Trevinho> cool :)
[15:37] <om26er> I haven't tried (yet) Cosmic but wanted to know how far along are we with https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/05/18/desktop-plans-for-18-10 -- Is there a place to track that ?
[15:38] <om26er> snap start-up time and fingerprint unlock are the two things I am more interested in and ofcourse HiDPI scaling (a must).
[15:39] <jbicha> a lot of that is tracked on https://trello.com/b/3VYBPFaR/ubuntu-desktop-1810-cycle
[15:57] <om26er> thanks, I went through that (and their comments) didn't see items for what I was looking for.
[16:09] <jbicha> I believe the fractional scaling work is still awaiting review and won't make it in to GNOME 3.30
[16:52] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ can comment on the state of that work
[16:53] <Trevinho> yep, exactly... I talked with upstream but they didn't want to land it before 3.30 as they had other priorities, so still delayed there
[16:57] <seb128> :(
[17:14] <jbicha> seb128: do you want to handle the guile-2.2 main promotion or should we ask another AA?
[17:40] <oSoMoN> seb128, just a heads-up on the LO upload, I'm seeing and looking into autopkgtest failures so it looks unlikely that I'll make the feature freeze :/
[18:35] <oSoMoN> oh I think I know what's causing the LO autopkgtest failures, hopefully all of them
[18:57] <seb128> oSoMoN, k, if it misses it and we need to upload next week it's fine, don't overstress with it and enjoy your w.e rather
[19:08] <oSoMoN> autopkgtests re-running with my tentative fix, let's see…


[12:15] <elacheche> o/
[16:00] <zul> i guess im running the meeting right?
[16:00] <arosales> Hello
[16:00]  * arosales looks @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:01] <arges> o/
[16:01] <kickinz1> o/
[16:01] <arosales> zul, and looks like I am up next
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:01] <coreycb> o./
[16:01] <zul> ugh
[16:01] <zul> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun  9 16:01:30 2015 UTC.  The chair is zul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <zul> #topic  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <zul> whoot it works
[16:02] <zul> nothing in the agenda
[16:02] <zul> #topic W Development
[16:02] <zul> smoser are you heere?
[16:03] <smoser> here.
[16:03] <smoser> hm..
[16:03] <zul> do you want to take this one?
[16:03] <smoser> surel
[16:03] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[16:03] <smoser> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:03] <smoser> it appears that we are actually nearing Alpha-1.
[16:04] <smoser> please take a gander at blueprints. / get  blueprints in shape
[16:04] <smoser> and please be using wily.
[16:04] <zul> yeah maybe i should be upgrading
[16:04] <smoser> expect that it works. file bugs if it does not, throw tomatos in zul's direction
[16:04] <rharper> \o
[16:04] <zul> no...melons better
[16:05] <zul> smoser: anything else?
[16:05] <smoser> lets move on.
[16:05] <zul> favorite words
[16:06] <zul> #topic: Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:06] <zul> caribou around?
[16:06] <caribou> zul: nothing on my side for this week
[16:06] <zul> beisner: any bugs to raise?
[16:06] <zul> any questions for caribou?
[16:06] <zul> ...
[16:07] <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:07] <zul> hi matsubara any updates?
[16:07] <matsubara> Hey there, I followed up with fginther on #ci about some of the trusty smoke tests failing
[16:08] <matsubara> He's going to check that and have it fixed
[16:08] <matsubara> I'll keep on it until that's fixed. That's all from me.
[16:08] <matsubara> thanks zul
[16:08] <zul> ok cool...any questions for matsubara
[16:09] <zul> ...
[16:09] <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:09] <zul> smb around?
[16:09] <smb> An additional note for smoser on bug 1462530. So I cannot really
[16:09] <smb> make out anything going wrong at the time of boot for which you
[16:09] <smb> had the console log. There is a fs corruption but that may exist
[16:09] <smb> from the provisioning run. Would it be possible to go back to a
[16:09] <smb> log from that if you encounter the boot hang?
[16:10] <zul> smoser: ^^^
[16:10] <smb> We could move on and just leave it in the records
[16:10] <zul> any questions for smb?
[16:11] <zul> ...
[16:11] <zul> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:11] <zul> linuxcon and plumbers in august
[16:11] <zul> anything else on the horizon?
[16:11] <zul> #topic Open Discussion
[16:12] <zul> floor is yours for discussion
[16:12] <zul> anything to bring up?
[16:13] <zul> ok then..
[16:13] <zul> same time next week
[16:13] <zul> #endmeeting
[16:13] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun  9 16:13:13 2015 UTC.
[16:13] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-06-09-16.01.moin.txt
[16:13] <kickinz1> Thanks Zul!
[16:13] <matsubara> Thanks zul
[16:13] <caribou> thanks zul
[16:13] <rbasak> Thank you zul!
[16:18] <arosales> thanks zul for chairing
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun  9 17:00:11 2015 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Wily
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <smb> o\
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Wily Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> We have rebased wily to 4.0.5 and have uploaded to the archive.  We are
[17:01] <ogasawara> investigating a build failure for ppc64el, but the other arch's appear
[17:01] <ogasawara> to be building cleanly.  Please test and let us know your results.  We
[17:01] <ogasawara> will move to start tracking 4.1 on our master-next branch.
[17:01] <ogasawara> -----
[17:01] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs June 25 - Alpha 1 (~2 weeks away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs July 30 - Alpha 2 (~7 weeks away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:02] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-cves.html
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Trusty/Utopic/Vivid (bjf)
[17:02] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:02] <bjf>   * Precise - Verification & Testing
[17:02] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Verification & Testing
[17:02] <bjf>   *  Utopic - Verification & Testing
[17:02] <bjf>   *  Vivid  - Verification & Testing
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:02] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:02] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:02] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> cycle: 23-May through 13-Jun
[17:02] <bjf> [17:02] <bjf>          22-May   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:02] <bjf> 24-May - 30-May   Kernel prep week.
[17:02] <bjf> 31-May - 13-Jun   Bug verification; Regression testing; Release
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:03] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun  9 17:03:20 2015 UTC.
[17:03] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-06-09-17.00.moin.txt
[17:03] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury
[17:03] <cking> ditto