 :P increase to 5000 and it would be ok
[02:21] <ScottK> Can you override the configuration from kpackagekit?
[02:27] <ScottK> Quintasan and dantti|2: Binaries accepted too, so it's officially landed.  Should be on mirrors starting in ~80 minutes.
[02:40] <dantti|2> ScottK: nice, and no, kpk (apper) can't do that, what I can do is to read that value and launch several queries with 100 packages each one, but that starts to be a bit slow...
[02:47] <ScottK> OK.  Something for the next release then I guess.
[03:12] <dantti|2> ScottK: can't PK package be updated to reflect that? cause actually the default on that setting in Natty was also patched to 3000
[03:16] <ScottK> I guess it could.
[03:16] <ScottK> Someone would have to do the patch and upload it.
[03:16] <dantti|2> right I'll poke ximion since I believe he is the one responsible for that package now...
[08:29] <Riddell> morning
[08:29] <Riddell> how's the release going?
[08:48] <GirlyGirl> Riddell: I see pre-release images are up to final
[08:49] <Riddell> time for testing?
[09:05] <jussi> Riddell: who is responsible for jockey-kde do you know? currently you need to start it from the cli, because it has no privelidges. Kinda think that needs to be addressed before release
[09:07] <GirlyGirl> jussi: Confirmed here
[09:08] <GirlyGirl> jussi: Sorry no it lauched after a while
[09:08] <jussi> GirlyGirl: no, it launches, but try activate something
[09:08] <jussi> see bug 871469
[09:09] <GirlyGirl> jussi: I see but I can't test it I use no proprietary drivers on my oneric system
[09:18] <Riddell> jussi: it has no formal maintainer alas
[09:18] <jussi> :(
[09:18] <jussi> Riddell: do you have the same issue? (I did have someone else test it also)
[09:20] <Riddell> it successfully runs and tells me I have no proprietary drivers
[09:20] <jussi> heh
[09:20] <Riddell> I think running with root was removed because it should use policykit
[09:20] <jussi> right, but it doesnt, so either one or the other needs to be sorted
[09:21] <Riddell> haven't I seen other discussion about policykit on this channel?
[09:24] <Riddell> jussi: what did you do to get it to give you that error?
[09:24] <jussi> Riddell: I have drivers that need to be activated. clicked the driver, clicked activate.
[09:24] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder how to test it
[09:25] <jussi> Riddell: you can make a fake device for there, but I cant remember how to do it. Pitti showed me one uds.
[09:29] <Riddell> pitti pingefd
[09:32] <jussi> Riddell: and he answered :)
[09:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, ping
[09:40] <GirlyGirl> Hope you guys already made a replacement for this banner http://www.kubuntu.org/files/11.04-release/banner.png
[09:45] <Riddell> jussi: well the polkit permissions run good for me
[09:46] <Riddell> driver installs fine
[09:46] <jussi> Riddell: curious.
[09:46] <jussi> Riddell: could it be related to the fact I have unity installed also ?
[09:47] <jussi> Im not sure about pangolin/idleone, he had the same issue
[09:47] <Riddell> I also have unity installed, I can't see that affecting it
[09:47] <Riddell> jussi: do other polkit things work?
[09:47] <Riddell> e.g. setting kdm in systemsettings
[09:48] <jussi> Riddell: I cant check right now, its my home pc.
[09:48] <jussi> but Ill look when I get home
[09:50] <Riddell> GirlyGirl: how are your artistic skills?
[09:51] <GirlyGirl> Riddell: I'm quite good with gimp but slow
[09:51] <Riddell> GirlyGirl: well you have three days :)
[09:58] <Riddell> GirlyGirl: you can test jockey by downloading http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jockey-hackers/jockey/trunk/download/head:/local.modaliases-20100512100333-8wmdeercp8ej9r63-1/fake.modaliases
[09:58] <Riddell> copy that to /usr/share/jockey/modaliases/fake and sudo kill jockey-backend
[09:59] <GirlyGirl> Riddell: My oneric system has no proprietary drivers needed can't test
[09:59] <Riddell> GirlyGirl: so follow what I just said :)
[10:00] <Riddell> hmm, netbook panel is getting slightly more broken with each release
[10:00] <GirlyGirl> Riddell: In an hour or so my oneric laptop isn't with me now ... but I do have a natty system with 4.7.1
[10:01] <GirlyGirl> would that do?
[10:01] <Riddell> naw, natty is old school :)
[11:17] <Girly-Girl> Hi, "Riddell" asked me whether I could try and make a banner for 11.10 concerning kubuntu.org release banner ... this is what I've come up with http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4051/bannerdbb.png
[11:19] <mfraz74> For the next release could we have one similar to the ones here?
[11:19] <mfraz74> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
[12:43] <djszapi> apachelogger: Could you take a look at this phonon issue, please ? http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2011-October/008188.html Seens the FindPhonon.cmake has been written by you, and I am getting some errors over there. Not sure which channel would fit best to this question you are active in.
[13:03] <GirlyGirl> Hi if anyone is there ... I'm trying the kubuntu 11.10 final pre-release image right now and have noticed some things.... 1) When booting in hangs at the plymout splash once it shows a mouse .. swtiching to tty1 then to tty7 lets me proceed to the startup screen ... when I press "try kubuntu" same thing it hangs this time I have to switch to tty8 and I see plasma desktop. After this everything is fine and fast .. but deskto
[13:04] <GirlyGirl> Edit kwin effects working after "kwin --replace"
[13:06] <Quintasan> Hello
[13:07] <GirlyGirl> Quintasan: hi
[13:12] <rbelem> Quintasan, ping
[13:12] <Quintasan> rbelem: pong
[13:13] <rbelem> Quintasan, do you have some free time? :-)
[13:13] <Quintasan> rbelem: Depends
[13:15] <rbelem> Quintasan, to take a look at some changes in the plasma-mobile pkg
[13:15] <Quintasan> rbelem: What do you want me to do?
[13:15] <GirlyGirl> Should I send a bug report for the above?
[13:15] <Quintasan> Ah, sure stuff rbelem
[13:16] <Quintasan> GirlyGirl: I think you could look http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all first and see if they weren't reported already
[13:16] <rbelem> Quintasan, it is in the ~kubuntu-active ppa
[13:17] <rbelem> Quintasan, please just consider the new pkg split everything else is messed up :-)
[13:17] <Quintasan> rbelem: You'd want to rephrase the second sentence since I can't understand the second part :P
[13:19] <rbelem> Quintasan, the pkg is not ready, so just consider the changes that i made to split the plasma-mobile pkg into more pkgs
[13:19] <rbelem> :-)
[13:19] <Quintasan> Ah
[13:19] <Quintasan> I see
[13:21] <Quintasan> rbelem: Goddamn, sorry, I have to go
[13:21] <Quintasan> :/
[13:22] <Quintasan> rbelem: How do you do shopping so you don't have to go every two days?
[13:23]  * Quintasan has to go shopping once again
[13:24] <rbelem> Quintasan, hahaha
[13:24] <Quintasan> rbelem: bbl ~45minuets
[13:24] <Quintasan> minutes*
[13:24] <rbelem> Quintasan, shooping for food?
[13:24] <Quintasan> Apparently
[13:25] <Quintasan> Though I'm pretty sure we bought shitload of food two days ago
[13:25] <rbelem> Quintasan, hahaha i usually shop for food every week
[13:26] <rbelem> once in a week
[13:26] <Quintasan> Well, it turns out I devour everything I buy within two days
[13:26] <Quintasan> durr
[13:26] <Quintasan> Gotta go since generic reason for not shopping is not working
[13:26] <Quintasan> :/
[13:27]  * Quintasan == out
[13:27] <rbelem> Quintasan, i just have to buy more when i receive visits
[13:27] <rbelem> Quintasan, oki :-)
[13:29] <Riddell> I buy food in bulk from a wholesalers and have it delivered
[13:32] <rbelem> Riddell, I dont have this service in my city :'(
[13:33] <Riddell> I expect you do but they don't tend to advertise to consumers
[13:35] <rbelem> hum...
[13:35] <rbelem> i will ask the supermarket manager about that
[14:02] <ScottK> Riddell: I tested jockey-kde on Beta2 and installed wifi drivers so something must be working.
[14:03] <ScottK> (unless this is a recent regression)
[14:04] <jussi> strange, I wonder why its broken for me and others
[14:30] <dantti> is it known to have the network connections lost when you upgrade to oneiric?
[15:46] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:52] <ScottK> Note: Current images are true RC images.  They might be what we release, so please test ...
[15:53] <allee> digikam 2.2.0 was uploaded to philip5/extra  2.2.0-natty~ppa3 :( that's bigger than std rev used in kubuntu-ppa and archive.    What is the recommendation to use?   -0~whatever-user-wants or ...
[15:56] <ScottK> allee: That sounds reasonable.
[15:56] <allee> ScottK: ok,  I remind philip5 again
[15:56] <ScottK> It would be nice if people would spend more time helping get stuff in the distro and not just "It's in a PPA, whatever".
[15:57] <allee> ScottK: good suggestion.  I'll try to charter him
[16:03] <_Groo_> stupid question
[16:03] <_Groo_> anyone has active builds on armel for ub untu?
[16:04] <_Groo_> btw my calligra packages are ready for a test drive
[16:04] <_Groo_> anyone with a big mailbox that i could send the debian/?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: did you follow upstream debian packaging?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> iirc debian has calligra packaging as well
[16:07] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: nope
[16:08] <shadeslayer> uh ... well ... look at debian's packaging then
[16:08] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: when i started debian calligra was MIA
[16:08] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: you guys already synced from it?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> and i doubt if we can introduce a new package so late in the cycle
[16:08] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:10] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: isnt calligra multiverse material? ence open at any time?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> no
[16:37] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: It's universe material ( that should probably be promoted to main if we plan to move away from LibreOffice to a more KDE centric office suite )
[16:39] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i agree when it goes gold... its getting awesome :D
[16:39] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:14] <bambee> evening
[17:14] <ScottK> Live images will be respun, so please test alternates.
[17:14]  * ScottK waves to bambee
[17:16] <bambee> ScottK: you mean Kubuntu Alternate i386/amd64 ?
[17:17] <ScottK> bambee: Yes.
[17:17] <bambee> I will help with testing, but I need to fix a bug in language-selector-kde before (it crashes here)
[17:28] <ScottK> Is there a bug number?
[17:28] <ScottK> We're getting close to rolling images again, so I need a bug to point at if we should wait.
[17:28] <ScottK> bambee: ^^^
[17:30] <bambee> ScottK: no bug number yet, I will open a bug now.
[17:31] <ScottK> bambee: Thanks.  Is it crashes all the time or now and then?
[17:31] <bambee> it crashes on startup all the time
[17:32] <bambee> language-selector (0.54) oneiric
[17:32] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[17:32] <bambee> * LanguageSelector/LangCache.py [change not affecting KDE]: => wrong
[17:32] <bambee> it breaks language-selector-kde
[17:36] <debfx> same here, downgrading to 0.53 fixes the crash
[17:49] <_Groo_> anyone knows whats going on with chromium daily? it stopped making dailies a few weeks ago
[17:56] <_Groo_> anyone knows if there is a channel for chromium-daily ppa?
[17:56] <_Groo_> join #chromium-daily
[18:01] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: I think they should offer support in #chromium as well
[18:02] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: its for devs.. dont think they will listen
[18:14] <ScottK> bambee: Fix is in.  Thanks.
[18:19] <Peace-> it seems samba and kde is not well done on kubuntu
[18:19] <Peace-> i have tried to set samba = no luck
[18:19] <shadeslayer> rbelem: ^^
[18:20] <Peace-> even the module for language seems broken
[18:20] <Peace-> i mean kcm
[18:21] <shadeslayer> Peace-: i think that was just fixed
[18:22] <Peace-> shadeslayer:  kdesudo kcmshell4 fileshare ?
[18:22] <Peace-> or the language?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> language
[18:23] <Peace-> ah
[18:23] <Peace-> shadeslayer: but samba?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> no idea about samba, it worked fine in dolphin for me
[18:23] <shadeslayer> but that was just for connecting
[18:24] <Peace-> shadeslayer: have you samba right now?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> i haven't tried actually sharing from a machine that has KDE installed
[18:24] <rbelem> Peace-, what is the error that you are getting?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> Peace-: on my local server
[18:24] <Peace-> rbelem: kdesudo kcmshell4 fileshare
[18:24] <Peace-> try that on shell
[18:24] <Peace-> the module doesn't exist anymore
[18:25] <Peace-> i have knetwork-filesharing installed
[18:25] <rbelem> Peace-, it was removed from kde
[18:26] <Peace-> mmm ok so how to set samba then ?
[18:26] <rbelem> Peace-, and we are working to make a new one
[18:26] <Peace-> oh
[18:26] <rbelem> Peace-, do you want to share a folder?
[18:26] <rbelem> or to access?
[18:26] <Peace-> i know how to do with a conf file
[18:26] <Peace-> but it would be nice to get it with a gui
[18:26] <Peace-> like before
[18:27] <rbelem> Peace-, you can share a folder via dolphin
[18:27] <Peace-> mm so i guess there is  some trouble then
[18:27] <rbelem> Peace-, you right click on a folder
[18:27] <rbelem> Peace-, then properties
[18:27] <rbelem> and you you find a fileshare tab
[18:28] <Peace-> yes
[18:28] <Peace-> of couse then i reopen and it doesn't keep the settings
[18:28] <Peace-> :S
[18:28] <Peace-> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/10/plasma-desktopwx1501.jpg
[18:28] <rbelem> it should
[18:29] <rbelem> Peace-, let me check
[18:33] <rbelem> Peace-, could you paste the output of `net usershare info`?
[18:33] <rbelem> it is working for me
[18:34] <rbelem> but maybe there is a corner case that are not being handled
[18:34] <Peace-> rbelem: http://paste.kde.org/132217
[18:34] <rbelem> Peace-, it should be working
[18:35] <rbelem> Peace-, try access it from your other pc
[18:35] <Peace-> i am on xp and it doesn show up the thing
[18:37] <rbelem> Peace-, do you have samba installed properly?
[18:37] <Peace-> rbelem: of course
[18:38] <Peace-> http://paste.kde.org/132223
[18:38] <rbelem> Peace-, :-)
[18:39] <Peace-> dunno maybe is a problem of xp
[18:39]  * Peace- it would be nice
[18:39] <rbelem> Peace-, one more test on your machine, just a moment
[18:39] <rbelem> Peace-, do you have smbclient installet?
[18:39] <rbelem> *installed
[18:40] <Peace-> rbelem: http://paste.kde.org/132229
[18:40] <Peace-> xD
[18:41] <dantti> noob question: how do I upload a tar file to lp? apper is too big now to be hosted by kde-apps...
[18:41] <dantti> even with 7z it got 1.5mb :P
[18:41] <Peace-> dantti: mmm create a dropbox user ...
[18:42] <Peace-> then you have 1 gig of freespace
[18:42] <rbelem> Peace-, one minute
[18:42] <dantti> but afaik lp already has space for it, and it would also have a nicer page
[18:43] <Peace-> dantti: :) i did for vlc append (dolphin service menu)
[18:44] <rbelem> Peace-, try `smbclient -U guest //localhost/<your folder name>`
[18:44] <rbelem> Peace-, for the passwd just hit return
[18:44]  * Peace- was askin on linux then has seen the quote xD
[18:45] <Peace-> btw smbclient  :D
[18:45] <rbelem> :-)
[18:47] <rbelem> dantti, maybe you can find something in the pkg lptools
[18:48]  * Peace- hate windows
[18:49] <dantti> I think I'll do what Peace- said I'm a bit out of time and lp seems a bit complicated to do that now :P
[18:49] <rbelem> dantti, you can try ubuntu one too
[18:49] <rbelem> :-)
[18:50] <Peace-> or google code
[18:50] <dantti> rbelem: yes, I could but I'm really without time, and I already have a dropbox account :P
[18:50] <Peace-> dantti: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/07/12/google-code-create-a-project-with-kde-kdesvn-tutorial/
[18:50] <dantti> I have a dedicated server too, but I don't want to put this stuff there
[18:52] <Peace-> :) i guess dropbox is the easier
[18:53] <dantti> Peace-: the file is there and I shared the folder ppl need to create an account to access it?
[18:54] <Peace-> nope
[18:54] <Peace-> do you mean on dropbox right?
[18:54] <dantti> yes
[18:54] <Peace-> dantti: dive me the public link
[18:54] <Peace-> we will see now
[18:54] <Peace-> xD
[18:55] <dantti> and where is this link :Po
[18:55] <dantti> https://www.dropbox.com/home/Apper  ?
[18:55] <dantti> maybe this
[18:56] <Peace-> dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/10/plasma-desktopfH1501.jpg
[18:57] <dantti> Peace-: btw what is lprinter-qt?
[18:57] <Peace-> dantti: it's a service menu for dolphin and a little script to prin directly from dolphin
[18:57] <Peace-> without to open programs for pictures and text
[18:58] <Peace-> xD i am improving right now it because i want to print pdf with pages option too
[18:58] <dantti> Peace-: ak, k, nice, as I'm writting a printer stuff to, just wonder to know :P
[18:59] <Peace-> dantti: its this http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/111784-2.png
[19:00]  * Peace- reboot windows
[19:00] <dantti> apachelogger: ping
[19:02] <dantti> Peace-: nice btw (tho I think it would be nicer to simply have a 'print' option in actions submenu)
[19:02] <dantti> can you open? https://www.dropbox.com/home/Apper
[19:04] <Peace-> i can open that folder but...
[19:04] <Peace-> it's empty
[19:04] <dantti> I got the idea now http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37314029/apper-0.7.0.tar.bz2
[19:04] <Peace-> dantti: that ok but... what if you have 14 photos to print ? with the same options?
[19:04] <dantti> I just needed to put it on Public ..
[19:05] <dantti> Peace-: select all 14 photos right click and print?
[19:05] <dantti> I really think this is a nice addition but imo it has too many options..
[19:06] <Peace-> dantti: btw i can download your file
[19:06] <dantti> Peace-: thanks
[19:06] <Peace-> dantti: well there is landscape option and fitplot option
[19:07] <Peace-> number of copies
[19:07] <dantti> Peace-: can't you show a dialog previewing the print and ask that for each one?
[19:08] <Peace-> :) my skill is not so high
[19:09] <Peace-> i can do some bash script btw
[19:09] <Peace-> and of course i have not so much time
[19:11] <Peace-> now i have to go rbelem thank you very much but... xp seems to be , like always, fucked up
[19:11] <Peace-> i guess i will erase it and i will put some linux distro


[08:17] <dpm> good morning all!
[08:51] <j1mc> hola dpm
[08:58] <dpm> hey j1mc :)
[09:08]  * j1mc goes off to try and sleep. curses jetlag.
[09:09] <j1mc> later, dpm
[09:09] <dpm> night j1mc
[09:25] <rhce7320> goof2092: Hi Goof!
[09:28] <goof2092> hello
[09:29] <goof2092> hold, just having a small meeting
[09:30] <rhce7320> goof2092: OK, I just got home from work (1830hrs z) Dinner time.
[10:08] <gtriderxc> HI!
[10:08] <gtriderxc> may i ake You a while?
[10:08] <gtriderxc> *take
[10:08] <gtriderxc> http://www.marcus.org.pl/GTriderXC/annspc/bugs/146.jpg
[10:08] <gtriderxc> the photo is pretty weak
[10:08] <gtriderxc> but good enough
[10:09] <gtriderxc> the problem is that the last position on the list is not translated
[10:10] <gtriderxc> is it because of some package that wasn't translated in time or a bug perhaps?
[10:11] <gtriderxc> I mean that the last position on the list "system settings" is not translated and I've no idea why.
[10:11] <gtriderxc> do You?
[10:37] <TLE> gtriderxc: hey
[10:37] <gtriderxc> hi
[10:37] <TLE> That menu point is translated on my system, with the lang pack from release
[10:38] <TLE> so if it is a bug, it has to have been intriduced since
[10:38] <TLE> so I guess that it is package that is missing a translation
[10:38] <TLE> unfortunately I'm not sure which package that string comes from
[10:39] <gtriderxc> neitehr do I:/
[10:39] <gtriderxc> dpm?
[10:39] <TLE> gtriderxc: 2 sek
[10:39] <gtriderxc> k
[10:39] <dpm> gtriderxc, just a sec, I'm in the middle of something else
[10:40] <gtriderxc> ok no problem:)
[10:40] <TLE> candidates from search-translations are: app-install-data, gnome-control-center-2
[10:42] <TLE> but I'm not sure if that makes sense
[10:42] <TLE> ahh yeah, it is probably the gnome-control-center-2 one
[10:45] <TLE> gtriderxc: ^^
[10:45] <gtriderxc> app instal data is a sofware center
[10:46] <gtriderxc> found:) thanks
[10:46] <gtriderxc> but
[10:47] <gtriderxc> i have no idea how could I miss it before 30.04
[10:47] <gtriderxc> never mind
[10:47] <gtriderxc> thx
[10:48] <TLE> np, anyway the next lang pack update is not to far away
[10:48] <gtriderxc> yes I know
[10:48] <gtriderxc> tommorow as i remember
[10:49] <gtriderxc> i have to go now. cu and thanks a lot again
[10:49] <TLE> no I meant the next one
[10:49] <TLE> ok, see you
[10:49] <gtriderxc> for answering my stupid question:)
[11:49] <goof2092> dpm: Bemba Team Translation page update done. Please review again when you have the time.
[11:50] <dpm> goof2092, excellent, thanks, let me do it now to see if you can start translating straight away :)
[11:50] <goof2092> dpm: hehe would be great
[12:10] <dpm> goof2092, so you've been added to the Ubuntu Translators group. Welcome to the Ubuntu Translations community! :)
[12:11] <goof2092> dpm, many thanks for the speedy response, much appreciated. Will followup other items as advised. Thanks!!!
[12:11] <dpm> excellent :)
[12:16] <andrejz> hello people, i am promoting ubuntu here ar a stage in ljubljana and i ran out of ubuntu cd's in one hour :O)
[12:16] <andrejz> :)
[13:21] <goof2092> andrejz, how many did you have?
[13:24] <andrejz> about 20, but now i got some more. :)
[13:25] <goof2092> ah thats great!!!
[13:41] <rhce7320> goof2092: I emailed Lonsita with the bemba-team news.  Suggested that she try translating one of the little apps, then contact you guys for directions
[13:42] <rhce7320> ... time to turn in in Tassie.    'night all.


[13:22] <xnox> juliank:  i wonder if i am failing at docker
[13:22] <xnox> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vXZTpbbvzw/
[13:22] <xnox> or if something is broken.
[13:23] <xnox> how come it apt update does not work for me?
[13:24] <juliank> xnox: seccomp breakage
[13:25] <juliank> xnox: do you have the current runc version? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1916485
[13:25] <juliank> and libseccomp
[14:27] <xnox> juliank:  ah, probs not.
[14:27] <xnox> juliank:  let me purge the snap and use packages.
[14:28] <juliank> xnox: or use podman and avoid root docker ;)
[14:28] <juliank> unprivileged containers!
[15:41] <xnox> doko:  how does .note.gnu.build-id get calculated in the default behaviour?
[16:20] <doko> xnox: it's done by the linker
[16:23] <doko> and dh_strip re-calculates the build-id, with a seed consisting of the package name and version
[18:03] <dannf> waveform: hey - do you have any plans to backport flash-kernel to g/f? I've 2 fixes there I'd like to SRU back, but can hold off if a full backport is in the works
[18:25] <waveform> dannf, yes -- definitely planned but I need to be slightly careful about a couple of bits (in particular I need to check whether the raspi2 kernel flavour is still needed on focal)
[18:25] <dannf> waveform: ack - sounds good


[02:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: fun bug, I get a global menu in one window on Firefox and a regular menu in the second, filing a bug now :)
[03:03] <micahg> ugh, but it's not reproducible...
[07:48] <fta2> micahg, OOM on radon
[07:49] <fta2> seriously, that's the 6th, can't they just check the whole bunch?
[07:50] <micahg> fta2: I filed a ticket asking for just that, the others should be fixed, I'll mention this one by name
[07:51] <fta2> thanks
[07:51] <micahg> fta2: BTW, wgrant said your chromium channels branch should be fixed hopefully w/in a day
[07:52] <fta2> he said it now depends on a LOSA
[08:18] <fta2> damn, wireshark is broken
[08:19] <micahg> well, it's the .0 release :)
[08:20] <micahg> ok, I really need some sleep...
[08:21] <fta2> .0 ?
[08:21] <micahg> 1.6.0
[08:22] <fta2> hm, i have a mix of 1.4.6 and 1.6.0
[08:23] <micahg> ah, that could be the problem then, the libraries are properly SONAME versioned upstream now
[08:24] <micahg> I'll will rebuild the rdepends later if no one beats me to it and the old libraries should be dropped from the archive then
[08:24]  * micahg -> bed
[08:24] <fta2> i just get a dbus error
[08:25] <fta2> good night
[08:26] <micahg> :(
[08:28] <micahg> well, FYI, works for me, so idk, maybe it's using the wrong library if you have a mixture, I don't have any of the old ones installed, if something didn't upgrade right, please file a bug and feel free to subscribe me
[08:29]  * micahg is really going to bed now :)
[18:59] <fta> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2078881/ubuntu-ship-firefox-1204
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that's news to me
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> i honestly thought we would be switching to chromium, based on my feelings from UDS ;)
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> most people there were using it, and quite a lot of people seem to favour that too
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> we'd struggle with CD space though ;)
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> although, firefox is rapidly catching up with chromium on install size now
[19:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, there was an interview with sabdfl that came out yesterday that said Firefox until past the LTS
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i didn't see that
[19:05] <micahg> firefox is still 20MB slimmer
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> i was fully expecting to go to the next UDS and decide to switch to chromium ;)
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> micahg, it's catching up, fast
[19:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: they won't make that change in the LTS
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> well, 12.10 then ;)
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> the current firefox trunk nightlies are nearly 4MB bigger (unpacked) than the current beta
[19:06] <fta> i'm most concerned about the use of chrome vs chromium in this article
[19:06] <fta> -most+more
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> fta - i've not read the article, which is why i'm surprised that we're sticking with firefox for the LTS ;)
[19:08] <fta> if the post is correct, there's no point in maintaining chromium
[19:08] <fta> i can just do it for myself, and move it to less conservative grounds
[19:08] <Dimmuxx> any way to increase the time history is remembered in chromium yet?
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> fta - i wouldn't say that. the article makes it clear that the decision will be reviewed after the LTS ;)
[19:09] <micahg> fta: also, most of the references to Chrome are in comparison to Firefox in market share which is appropriate
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> and nearly everyone at UDS was using chromium (i peered over a lot of peoples shoulders) ;)
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> although, i guess that the UDS crowd is not really representative
[19:10] <Dimmuxx> I would consider switching if it was possible to store the history at least 6 months instead of just one month
[19:12] <micahg> Dimmuxx: I don't see an option in 12 yet, at least in preferences
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> 12? you run such outdated software ;)
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> next you will be telling me that you still have firefox 5!
[19:14] <micahg> I run current on my dev laptop, on my xubuntu oneiric, I have 14 and Firefox 7
[19:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I do on my dev natty laptop along with unity :)
[19:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I ran into bug 779905, but can't reliably reproduce
[19:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 779905 in firefox "when sessionmanager restors a session with more than one winow, only the first window gets a global menu" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/779905
[19:15] <chrisccoulson> i've never been able to reproduce that
[19:16] <fta> Dimmuxx, i see at least 90 days of history here
[19:16] <fta> Dimmuxx, M14
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> hmm, i've got history from september 2010
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> same version as fta ;)
[19:17] <Dimmuxx> fta: maybe they increased it then, it was about a month last I tried it
[19:17] <fta> maybe it depends on how you access your history
[19:17] <Dimmuxx> or maybe it depends on how much you use it, if you haven't used chromium in a couple of weeks it might be removed or something
[19:17] <fta> just did a search for "ubuntu" in mine, ~90 days
[19:19] <Dimmuxx> ah so maybe it stores it in ctrl+h
[19:19] <Dimmuxx> but it doesn't popup in the url bar like it does in firefox
[19:20] <Dimmuxx> because ctrl+h contains more than 1 year
[19:21] <Dimmuxx> maybe there is an extensions for this :P
[19:24] <fta> Dimmuxx, remember the history in chromium also contains the pages' contents, it's much more than just the url and title, so it grows very fast
[19:25] <fta> that may explain why i just have 90 days, i use it a lot
[19:25] <Dimmuxx> well that's no good then :/
[19:28] <fta> wow, liferea 1.7.* is way faster than our 1.6
[19:29]  * micahg wonders if that's due to gtk3 port/cleanup
[19:29] <fta> nope, sqlite
[19:30] <fta> http://liferea.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=liferea/liferea;a=blob_plain;f=ChangeLog;hb=master
[19:32] <micahg> ooh, I've forgotten about sqlite since I stopped tracking it since we stopped using it in Firefox
[19:33] <fta> really? what is ff using nowadays?
[19:34] <micahg> sqlite, but it's bundled
[19:34] <fta> oh, like chromium then
[19:34] <micahg> yeah, so I don't particularly care about system sqlite since xulrunner will be dead soon in Ubuntu
[19:35] <fta> ff just needs to move to webkit and it will be an exact copy ;)
[19:35] <micahg> heh, webkit is only a rendering engine, they'd need to replace the networking stuff as well
[19:53] <fta> pff https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-httplib2/+question/161415
[19:55] <micahg> fta: well, at least it's Critical :)
[19:56] <fta> if it was the only regression...
[19:56] <fta> another one: bug 797323
[19:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 797323 in ecb "package ecb 2.40+cvs20110608-1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797323
[19:57] <fta> another one is the nvidia-current /w kernel 3.0.0 dkms
[19:58] <fta> i'm not even mentioning all those caused by lightdm
[19:58] <fta> and the indicator abi breakage
[20:14] <micahg> fta: nvidia was just uploaded
[20:14] <micahg> lightdm 0.4.0 is coming
[20:14]  * micahg doesn't know about the indicators
[21:15] <fta> it's spreading: http://www.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20071079-92/chrome-may-become-ubuntus-browser/
[22:06] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:08] <BUGabundo> would you guys endure a small question: can you tell me how much storage you have at home / where you are?
[22:10] <fta> no enough
[22:10] <fta> not
[22:10] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:10] <BUGabundo> how much?
[22:14] <fta> about 1.5T
[22:15] <BUGabundo> really?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> I have that in only one drive
[22:15] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:15] <fta> that's why i said not enough
[22:15] <fta> that's 2 drives here
[22:20] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:20] <BUGabundo> so my new 4x2T NAS upsets you a bit right?
[22:29] <fta> not really, i'm looking for less h/w, less noise, less heat
[22:32] <BUGabundo> this are WD Green
[22:32] <BUGabundo> 5400RPM disks
[22:32] <BUGabundo> I barrely hear them out of the box next to me
[22:32] <BUGabundo> now set them to SMART 1 or 64
[22:32] <BUGabundo> and you are good to go
[22:32] <BUGabundo> on standby, this synology is set to use 13W
[22:33] <BUGabundo> 35W in usage
[22:33] <BUGabundo> and a max power of 200W
[22:42] <BUGabundo> and how many of you EVER upgraded a firmware of a single disk?


[12:02] <sistpoty> Opening audio decoder: [liba52]  AC3 decoding with liba52
[12:02] <sistpoty> AC3: 5.1 (3f+2r+lfe)  48000 Hz  384.0 kbit/s
[12:02] <sistpoty> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[12:02] <sistpoty> ^^ stripped output from mplayer
[12:02] <slomo> sistpoty: ok, i'll put it on top of my todo list... after mplayer
[12:02] <sistpoty> slomo: you're my hero ;)
[12:02] <tseng> bradb: cheers
[12:12] <lamont> slomo: bad build-depends
[12:13] <lamont> usr/include/X11/extensions/xf86dga.h  x11proto-xf86dga-dev
[12:13] <slomo> lamont: isn't this libxxf86dga-dev?
[12:13] <lamont> so what that means is that Xorg split up more between your prior and most-recent uploads
[12:13] <lamont> npoe
[12:13] <lamont> nope, even
[12:13] <lamont> it's x11proto-xf86dga-dev
[12:14] <slomo> uh ok... but why did it work in my pbuilder then? :/
[12:14] <slomo> so change libxxf86dga-dev to x11proto-xf86dga-dev and hope it works again?
[12:14] <lamont> libxxf86* would be from xfree86, dude
[12:14] <lamont> how clean is your pbuilder chroot, and how current are your sources?  and is it purely breezy deb lines in sources.list?
[12:15] <slomo> lamont: it's completely clean, nothing except the stuff debootstrap put into... and i updated it just before trying mplayer
[12:16] <lamont> that is, the short answer to "why did it work in pbuilder but not the buildd?" is one of the following:  (1) pbuilder chroot out of date, (2) pbuilder misconfigured, (3) differences between sbuild and pbuilder, and (4) (albeit rarely) someone uploaded a package that fails to remove correctly, and broke the sbuild chroot
[12:17] <lamont> the hint for (4) is that the log file claims that a package is already installed, and then later the build dies because a file _FROM_THAT_PACKAGE_ is missing
[12:17] <lamont> well, that's not so much a hint, as a smoking gun. :-)
[12:18] <slomo> lamont: ok thanks :) but i really believe that my pbuilder chroot is fine... well, i'll change that build-depend and try again :)
[12:19] <Nafallo> slomo: let me try it to ;-)
[12:19] <Nafallo> slomo: what should I do? :-)
[12:19] <slomo> Nafallo: lol... change libxxf86dga-dev to x11proto-xf86dga-dev in every control file and try it in your pbuilder ;)
[12:19] <Nafallo> gaah!
[12:19] <Nafallo> that's painful
[12:20] <slomo> sed is your friend :P
[12:20] <Nafallo> give me a debdiff? ;-)
[12:20] <slomo> sure... wait ;)
[12:20] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:21] <slomo> Nafallo: http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/mplayer_1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu3.debdiff
[12:22] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:24] <slomo> lol
[12:24] <slomo> do you want another upload with your name on it today? :P
[12:24] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:24] <Nafallo> ofcourse :-)
[12:25] <Nafallo> but the debdiff didn't apply ;-)
[12:25] <Nafallo> and it's not name, it's key :-)
[12:27] <slomo> sure but when you cut everything except the changelog it's also name :P
[12:27] <Nafallo> no
[12:27] <Nafallo> debian/control, not debian/control.* :-)
[12:28] <slomo> hmm... why did you cut debian/control? you need the control.amd64 file :P
[12:29] <Nafallo> cause you got another debian/control than I have? ;-)
[12:29] <slomo> why is that?
[12:29] <Nafallo> I'm on amd64 and you are on i386? :-)
[12:30] <slomo> the plain control file, without anything else is something we don't even use ;)
[12:30] <slomo> control.marillat for x86 and control.arch for every other arch
[12:30] <Nafallo> slomo: yea, check your debdiff mate ;-)
[12:31] <Nafallo> slomo: debian/control on yours expect the line  Package: mplayer-386
[12:31] <Nafallo> on my it's  Package: mplayer-amd64
[12:31] <Nafallo> so, that's a reject then :-P
[12:32] <slomo> oh ok... i hate this package ;)
[12:32] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[12:32] <slomo> btw... FTBFS... vo_3dfx.c:(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `XF86DGADirectVideo'
[12:32] <slomo> i really hate this package :P
[12:33] <Nafallo> I got http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1753 again :-)
[12:33] <slomo> hrm
[12:35] <slomo> Nafallo: can you try to fix it?
[12:36] <crimsun> slomo: apologies, I've had a high fever the past couple days. Will get to it tonight.
[12:36] <slomo> crimsun: not necessary anymore ;) Nafallo uploaded it already :)
[12:36] <crimsun> ok
[12:37] <Nafallo> slomo: yes, you didn't patch control.amd64 ;-)
[12:37] <slomo> Nafallo: lol... you're right... this really isn't my day ;)
[12:38] <Nafallo> slomo: ehm... I can't find that build-dep either ;-)
[12:38] <slomo> Nafallo: ok, that's why sed didn't work then ;) throw some stone in marillat's direction :P
[12:39] <Nafallo> slomo: I'll add som build-deps first and foremost ;-)
[12:59] <slomo> lamont: are you sure x11proto-xf86dga-dev is the right thing? it doesn't depend on anything which contains the dga library, only headers... so builds will fail
[01:02] <sistpoty> slomo: mplayer -vo help --> dga     DGA ( Direct Graphic Access V2.0 )... not sure if the lib comes with mplayer however ;)
[01:03] <slomo> sistpoty: no... it's something shipped by X itself ;)
[01:03] <sistpoty> ok... thought that mplayer would also ship libdga or s.th. like it imo does with liba52
[01:04] <crimsun> right, DGA is an X* extension
[01:04] <slomo> crimsun: do you know the correct build-depend for packages depending on it?
[01:05] <sistpoty> libxxf86dga-dev?
[01:05] <slomo> sistpoty:  lamont said this is deprecated by x11proto-xf86dga-dev... but this package doesn't pull the libs in (which are only in libxxf86dga1)
[01:06] <slomo> sistpoty: btw, is the a52dec problem only with mplayer or with our regular liba52?
[01:07] <crimsun> slomo: hmm, sounds like something might be missing in the b-d. Try asking daniels when he's around
[01:07] <sistpoty> slomo: imo the prob is with mplayer only... i took a look at it once, and iirc mplayer ships its own liba52
[01:07] <slomo> sistpoty: yes it ships it own... hm, can you try playing this video with gst-launch-ext-0.8 (after installing all gstreamer plugins ;) )
[01:08] <sistpoty> slomo: sure... need to install gstreamer however ;)
[01:18] <lamont> sistpoty: having mplayer ship header files that rightfully belong to other libs is purely wrong and unsupportable
[01:19] <ogra> sounds like nvu :)
[01:20] <slomo> lamont: they only ship their own version of a complete library... not some random headers of something else
[01:20] <lamont> and do they ultimately really wind up linked to that lib, or to the other one?
[01:22] <lamont> looks like it uses a static one...
[01:22] <lamont> although, doesn't liba52.so depend on kernel interfaces?
[01:23] <slomo> lamont: no idea... at least mplayer is ugly ;)
[01:23] <lamont> well, it's b0rken for me on hoary...
[01:23] <lamont> nothing but segv.
[01:24] <slomo> hehe... it worked on breezy for a week now... at least for me ;)
[01:24] <slomo> and now this stupid thing don't want to be rebuilt...
[01:24] <Nafallo> slomo++ ;-)
[01:24] <sistpoty> hm... it ldd's on quite some stuff... i'll retry with the "original marillat"-version
[01:25] <slomo> sistpoty: did you try gstreamer?
[01:25] <sistpoty> slomo: didn't get it fully installed yet :/
[01:25] <slomo> sistpoty: why? slow connection or something broken?
[01:26] <sistpoty> slomo: what do i need to install to get all plugins? gstreamer-plugins doesn't work
[01:27] <slomo> sistpoty: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg gstreamer0.8-pitfdll
[01:27] <slomo> sistpoty: then you have everything ;)
[01:27] <sistpoty> btw. mplayer-386 (1:1.0-pre7) on debian/sid(chroot) doesn't crash
[01:28] <sistpoty> *installing*
[01:29] <sistpoty> s/debian\/sid/debian\/unstable ;)
[01:29] <sistpoty> however not up to date ;)
[01:29] <ogra> compiled with gcc4 ?
[01:31] <Nafallo> slomo: pit what? :-)
[01:31] <slomo> Nafallo: pitfdll... windows dll loader plugin for gstreamer ;)
[01:31] <sistpoty> ogra: mplayer? dunno with what marillat compiled his debs
[01:31] <Nafallo> hehe, won't work on amd64 then :-P
[01:31] <Nafallo> siretart: computers probably :-)
[01:32] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:32] <pef> I leave, good night ! (1:32apm here)
[01:32] <Nafallo> pef: see you tomorrow :-)
[01:32] <pef> Nafallo: of course, I have something to upload ;)
[01:32] <sistpoty> gn8 pef
[01:33] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:33] <pef> :)
[01:35] <sistpoty> slomo: gst-launch-ext-0.8 is working fine...
[01:35] <slomo> sistpoty: fine... at least something :)
[01:35] <sistpoty> :)
[01:42] <slomo> sistpoty: did you try the latest version by marillat on debian?
[01:43] <sistpoty> slomo: dunno... mom i'll check
[01:45] <sistpoty> slomo: this is the latest binary-version on "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[01:45] <sistpoty> brb (smoking a cigarette)
[01:46] <slomo> sistpoty: 1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.2?
[01:55] <sistpoty> slomo: no, it's 1.0-pre7
[01:55] <slomo> sistpoty: uhm... no: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/m/mplayer/
[01:56] <ryanthiessen> slomo: was it you that was thinking of doing a thoggen package for breezy?
[01:56] <slomo> ryanthiessen: yes... or for breezy+1... why?
[01:58] <ryanthiessen> slomo: just got word from the developer, he's putting out a release and a new .deb next week, perhaps that could save some work
[01:59] <slomo> ryanthiessen: sure :) can you notify me when he released a new version?
[01:59] <ryanthiessen> slomo: will do
[02:00] <slomo> ryanthiessen: thanks :) but i think i'll package it myself and don't take his package
[02:03] <sistpoty> slomo: this is strange... i don't see a cvs...-0.2 binary there... there are mplayer-386_1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1_i386.deb and mplayer-386_1.0-pre7-0.2_i386.deb... which one to go? (i always get it wrong with versions *g*)
[02:03] <slomo> sistpoty: the 0.1 ;)
[02:06] <sistpoty> damn... to new for my unstable (either too new in general or i should upgrade about 150 packages...)
[02:07] <sistpoty> erm... 338 packages to update... I'll do this tomorrow and try again, ok?
[02:07] <slomo> ok, thanks :)
[02:07] <slomo> just notify me when you have some results
[02:07] <slomo> we should have a buildable mplayer package by then ;)
[02:08] <sistpoty> slomo: i will do, and good luck ;)
[02:09] <slomo> gn8
[02:32] <mbreit> good night
[02:33] <bddebian> gnight mbreit
[03:01] <bddebian> Damn, where is everyone?  Hard at work? :-)
[03:02] <Nafallo> bddebian: yep :_)
[03:02] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:03] <bddebian> Good man :-)
[03:04] <ajmitch> why would you hide from me, bddebian ?
[03:05] <Nafallo> lol
[03:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because I seem to frustrate you :-)
[03:05] <ajmitch> don't worry, I'll try to take it out on others ;)
[03:06] <bddebian> Well I wish I understood better how to be more helpful :-(
[03:08] <ajmitch> you're doing ok
[03:10] <bddebian> Yeah, I can tell :-)
[03:11] <ajmitch> I'm just the sort of person who's willing to critique others' work :)
[03:12] <ajmitch> it's the perfectionist in me that needs to be beaten down
[03:12] <bddebian> Nah, that's a good thing :-)
[03:14] <ajmitch> I haven't even look at half the ones you said just needed a rebuild
[03:14] <bddebian> That's OK, no one looks at my work.. ;-P
[03:15] <ajmitch> I'm noone now, am I?
[03:15] <bddebian> You just said... :-)
[03:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: Do you have your FTBFS list?
[03:18] <ajmitch> I havent' grabbed the build logs to see if they are really FTBFS
[03:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: If the package requires libmagick++6 but depends shlibs, it should resolve libmagick++6c2 on it's own right?
[03:20] <ajmitch> I guess
[03:20] <bddebian> You guess?
[03:20] <ajmitch> yes, I'm just guessing there
[03:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: btw, don't bother with k3d
[03:25] <ajmitch> I've got to upload the patched pkg from Lathiat
[03:26] <bddebian> I'm no where near the k's yet :-)
[03:28] <bddebian> OK, postgresql-plruby depends postgresql (< 7.5).  Should it depend postgresql-7.4 or be upgraded?
[03:28] <ajmitch> depends if it works with 8.0, and whether 7.4 or 8.0 is default
[03:28] <bddebian>  7.5.8 is default
[03:30] <ajmitch> well, I guess you have to check if it works nicely with that :)
[03:33] <bddebian> Bah I'll leave that for you MOTU types ;-P
[03:33] <chillywilly> yo
[03:33] <bddebian> chillywilly!!!!!!!
[03:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: aren't you supposed to be one?
[03:34] <bddebian> Uhm, polyxmass is an empty source package (meta package?)
[03:34] <chillywilly> bddebian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[03:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nope
[03:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: why not?
[03:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why not, what?
[03:35] <ajmitch> why aren't you a 'MOTU type'
[03:35] <bddebian> <-- Is not an MOTU :-)
[03:35] <bddebian> chillywilly: Nice
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: And isn't it obvious that I don't know much? :-)
[03:36] <chillywilly> yea, that's a weak argument bddebian
[03:36] <bddebian> chillywilly: What's a weak arguement?
[03:36] <chillywilly> are you watching the same channel as I am or are you just particularly dense tonight ;)
[03:38] <bddebian> chillywilly: What you been up to man?  I was in your neck of the woods last week
[03:38] <chillywilly> bah...
[03:38] <chillywilly> had a really busy weekend
[03:39] <chillywilly> practiced some more with the church band on friday night
[03:39] <bddebian> Cool
[03:39] <chillywilly> then went to a music festival and was there all day saturday
[03:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: Sick of what man?
[03:39] <chillywilly> then we had our church festival where we played live all day on Sunday
[03:40] <chillywilly> we rocked
[03:40] <bddebian> Coolio
[03:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: sick of the "I'm so thick, not worthy to be a MOTU" sort of argument :)
[03:40] <chillywilly> I have some video...should upload it
[03:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's not arguement, that's fact ;-P
[03:41] <Nafallo> gaah
[03:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: Anyway, shouldn't a source meta package include all the packages?
[03:41] <Nafallo> mplayer just has to be the worst source in the archive ;-)
[03:42] <Burgundavia> Nafallo, I don't understand why people like the application. It has a horrible interface and it sounds horrible to maintain
[03:43] <Nafallo> Burgundavia: it can play everything :-P
[03:44] <Nafallo> I'm rebuilding the package anyway ;-)
[03:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: depends, if it was merged into anoether
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well it looks wrong to me
[03:49] <chillywilly> people like mplayer because it is the swiss army knife of media players
[03:49] <chillywilly> imho
[03:50] <bddebian> I think it's because it kinda sounds like Windows Media Player
[03:50] <zyga> err
[03:50] <chillywilly> xine has to be a close second though and then for UIs totem with the xine backend rules my world
[03:50] <zyga> it's because it's startup time is better than everything else
[03:50] <zyga> without gui it's pretty usable
[03:51] <zyga> and it's the fastest as far as I can tell
[03:58] <bddebian> ajmitch: What do you think makes more sense.  Plow through the rest of these packages making notes, or trying to fix the FTBFSs I find?
[03:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: so I take it you're going to fix all those ones that you've noted, since they're under your name?
[04:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: I guess, though that wasn't necessarily my intention.  I wanted to get through the "low hanging fruit" first, then go back to FTBFSs and other more difficult issues
[04:00] <ajmitch> some of us have already done a run through compiling the whole list :)
[04:01] <bddebian> Then why am I doing this?
[04:02] <ajmitch> for fame & glory, and the love of it all
[04:07] <bddebian> I mean, manually going through the list?
[04:09] <ajmitch> for just that reason
[04:10] <bddebian> But if you folks have already made lists and I'm expected to fix all that I find, what is the point?
[04:14] <ajmitch> just because I've built everything & have build logs doesn't mean I've checked all the dependencies yet
[04:15] <bddebian> Well then I ask again, should I keep going through the list or fix what I have already found? :-)
[04:16] <ajmitch> fixing as you go tends to be a better way
[04:21] <bddebian> OK
[04:24] <jblack> Hello, hello, hello!
[04:25] <jblack> Hey ajmitch! What's up?
[04:25] <ajmitch> hi jblack
[04:25] <ajmitch> just doing some coding
[04:25] <ajmitch> watching irc, etc..
[04:26] <jblack> Sounds like a dreamlife. :)
[04:27] <ajmitch> oh sure
[04:28] <jblack> Anyways, I'd like to grab those projects that you think could use baz of one incarnation of another. :)
[04:28] <ajmitch> right..
[04:28] <ajmitch> let me try & think which ones could benefit
[04:30] <bddebian> Hello jblack
[04:31] <jblack> bddebian! What's up?
[04:32] <bddebian> Just making ajmitch's life more difficult. :-) You?
[04:32] <jblack> Just making ajmitch's life more difficult. :-)
[04:32] <ajmitch> the world is against me..
[04:33] <jblack> ajmitch: Nah, don't take it that way. If people are looking for you, that means you matter.
[04:33] <ajmitch> that's a novel way of looking at it :)
[04:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, we love you man :-)
[04:35] <ajmitch> jblack: the 2 projects that I have contact with as a packager _might_ find it helpful, although they're fairly quiet
[04:36] <jblack> Thats a good thing then. They're not in a huge rush. They won't start screaming "We'll die if you don't fix this problem THIS VERY SECOND"
[04:37] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:37] <ajmitch> one uses cvs on savannah, the other svn on its own server
[04:37] <ajmitch> where developers have ssh access (including me)
[04:38] <jblack> Those are good targets. We have the tools to migrate them without loosing history. What are the names of the projects, if I may ask?
[04:39] <ajmitch> dotgnu portable.net (uses cvs), and gnu enterprise
[04:39] <ajmitch> they have very minimal use of branching/tagging
[04:40] <jblack> Those sound like they'd be pretty big.
[04:41] <ajmitch> pnet is ~1 million LOC
[04:41] <ajmitch> gnu enterprise isn't as big, but is comprised of a number of tools
[04:47] <bddebian> Well the GCC4CommonProblems is a helpful page.. :-)
[04:50] <bddebian> What is "invalid use of void expression" error?
[04:52] <jblack> Ok. I'll talk to the enterprise guys. Do you have any friends their?
[04:52] <ajmitch> yeah, jamest, jcater, reinhard in #gnuenterprise, or there's the mailing list
[04:53] <ajmitch> I'd better get onto their packaging ASAP though :)
[04:53] <ajmitch> since I was using it for a bzr experiment
[04:53] <jblack> Grin. :)
[04:54] <jblack> I like the idea of getting them to bzr and you packaging them. You can track their code much more easily
[04:54] <ajmitch> well it's not too hard already with svn
[04:55] <ajmitch> since I have commit access there
[04:56] <jblack> I think it would be cool to have them in bzr, so that everybody in the world has commit access. :)
[04:59] <ajmitch> sure, but I think something like PQM for bzr will be an important part for most people
[05:01] <jblack> true. In the meantime, though, multiple people can commit to one place.
[05:03] <ajmitch> so is baz marketing part of your work now?
[05:03] <jblack> Lets just say that I'm invested in getthing baz out to the general public.
[05:04] <jblack> A lot of people have worked on bazaar. It doesn't do anybody any good if its hidden in a clost. :)
[05:04] <jblack> *closet
[05:07] <ajmitch> it's a hot topic at the moment, which SCM to use
[05:07] <bddebian> Visual Source Safe?
[05:08] <jblack> is it? Then lets jump on it.
[05:09] <jblack> If they're actively discussing this issue, then the mailing list is probably best.
[05:09] <ajmitch> not for gnue, but in general
[05:09] <ajmitch> eg on planet.debian.org, various lists
[07:42] <Whistler> hello
[07:42] <Whistler> why cant i write to ubuntu channel?
[07:43] <Whistler> i get * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[07:43] <rob^> you probably have been banned
[07:44] <rob^> yep you have been
[07:44] <Whistler> emm
[07:44] <Whistler> its probably of my dynamic ip
[07:45] <rob^> no
[07:45] <Whistler> ban is for my nick?
[07:45] <rob^> %Whistler!*@*
[07:45] <Whistler> oh
[07:46] <Whistler> i still dont get the reason of this
[07:46] <rob^> well either you, or someone using your nick was naughty in #ubuntu and got banned
[07:47] <rob^> talk to one of the ops to get the ban removed
[07:47] <Whistler> theres no ops online
[07:47] <Whistler> :D
[07:48] <Whistler> well thx
[07:48] <rob^> :)
[07:49] <StrikeForce_work> hey all
[07:53] <StrikeForce_work> cany anyone tell me what package deals with the qsqldatabase?
[07:55] <StrikeForce_work> can*
[08:20] <Whistler> anybody can recommend me vnc client?
[08:20] <Whistler> sorry for askin here but i have ban in ubuntu chan
[08:21] <StrikeForce_work> why do you have a ban?
[08:21] <StrikeForce_work> sudo apt-cache search vnc
[08:22] <Whistler> i dont know why
[08:22] <Whistler> :(
[08:28] <phlaegel> Whistler: is your nick registered?
[08:28] <Whistler> yep
[08:28] <phlaegel> never mind then :-)
[08:33] <StrikeForce_work> damn this mythmusic depends on a lot :(
[08:33] <StrikeForce_work> I may as well download every single binary :P
[08:34] <StrikeForce_work> btw anyone wanna REVU bittorrent and bittornado please :)
[08:42] <StrikeForce_work> Does predepends get installed prior to the installation of the main package?
[09:05] <rob^> we can't help you, see http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.eloan.com/&ei=uFYVQ9HFNJesYd6a6eAI
[09:06] <rob^> ;)
[09:11] <rob^> they can help you
[09:15] <StrikeForce_work> lol
[09:24] <sivang> ibook runs breezy ok now?
[09:25] <jtan325> i've never spammed, and I don't think this counts as spam, but I would like to advertise a little program that I work on the dev team for. Conky 1.3.0, released literally within the past hour, is out and about. find it at http://conky.sf.net . there's a debian package now too, made by yours truly, with the help of many kind folks in here. conky is a lightweight system monitor for X, based on the now-defunct torsmo program
[09:26] <Treenaks> thanks for the spam. Please use freshmeat.net
[09:26] <StrikeForce_work> lol
[09:26] <StrikeForce_work> so well put
[09:27] <jtan325> haha. we'll keep freshmeat in mind for 2.x
[09:27] <rob^> heh
[09:27] <StrikeForce_work> has anyone got mythmusic to compile in breezy?
[09:27] <rob^> will be fixed soon
[09:27] <jtan325> please check it out though, it's cool :-)
[09:27] <rob^> and you mean rhythmbox, right?
[09:27] <StrikeForce_work> you working on it rob^ ?
[09:27] <rob^> no, but the person who is said the fix should be done and uploaded within the hour
[09:27] <StrikeForce_work> no the package mythmusic thats got unmet deps?
[09:27] <StrikeForce_work> ahh k
[09:28] <StrikeForce_work> I'll have to take a look because I'm ready to use my computer as an anchor at the moment :(
[09:29] <rob^> why don't you try a mythtv based distro?
[09:29] <ivoks> morning
[09:30] <StrikeForce_work> rob^: why i don't want to use it I'm just helping with the unmet deps or trying to
[09:30] <StrikeForce_work> morning ivoks
[09:30] <rob^> ah
[09:30] <StrikeForce_work> the only errors I'm getting are mysql based ones?
[09:31] <StrikeForce_work> so hence I'm getting confused in it so when he/she uploads it I wanna have a look
[09:52] <ivoks> am...hm...
[09:52] <ivoks> security personal? :)
[10:12] <ajmitch> uh oh
[10:12] <ajmitch> what have you broken now? :)
[10:12] <ivoks> hi ajmitch
[10:13] <ivoks> i fixed sec. issue in openvpn (4 issues)
[10:13] <ajmitch> ooh
[10:13] <ivoks> needs upload
[10:14] <ajmitch> yep
[10:14] <ivoks> www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/openvpn-20050831.diff
[10:15] <ivoks> that's for hoary
[10:15] <ivoks> not breezy
[10:15] <ajmitch> 404
[10:15] <ivoks> breezy has newer version
[10:15] <ivoks> pl now
[10:16] <ivoks> reload :)
[10:16] <ajmitch> ok, finally..
[10:17] <ajmitch> so you patched the source directly?
[10:17] <ivoks> yes, dpatch confused...
[10:17] <ivoks> you can do it right, if you have time..
[10:18] <ivoks> http://openvpn.net/patch/2.0.1-security-patches/ - 2.0 patches could be applied on hoary's 1.9 version
[10:18] <ivoks> there is just failed hunk (inside a comment)
[10:19] <ivoks> i'm in a hury
[10:19] <ivoks> so... take care...
[10:20] <ajmitch> ok :)
[10:44] <pef> hello
[11:01] <jtan325> hey ajmitch. remember the little program i was trying to package and kept bugging you with questions for?
[11:01] <ajmitch> yes
[11:02] <jtan325> well thanks for the help. we finally released 1.3.0 a little over two hours ago, and it finally comes in a .deb package too :-)
[11:02] <ajmitch> great
[11:03] <jtan325> working with an debian dev to submit to debian repos for review, then siretart said i should ask him to ask for a sync
[11:04] <siretart> morning
[11:04] <siretart> jtan325: how is it called?
[11:04] <ajmitch> morning siretart
[11:04] <siretart> ajmitch! :)
[11:05] <ajmitch> siretart!!
[11:06] <jtan325> morning siretart. you mean package name? it is conky_1.3.0-1
[11:06] <jtan325> or where you asking something else?
[11:07] <siretart> I see an ITP from Bjarke Bolding dated Aug 2
[11:07] <siretart> do you know him?
[11:07] <jtan325> ah no
[11:07] <jtan325> i should email him huh
[11:07] <ajmitch> yes, certainly
[11:08] <ajmitch> as you should always have an ITP filed before working on a package :)
[11:08] <jtan325> haha
[11:08] <jtan325> well we wanted one available for this release
[11:08] <jtan325> because it is the last release in the 1.x branch
[11:08] <jtan325> we are overhauling the code for 2.x
[11:08] <ajmitch> what does it do?
[11:08] <siretart> he hasn't uploaded anything yet
[11:09] <jtan325> well, if you guys aren't busy being motus and can spare a few minutes... :-)
[11:09] <siretart> so you should really contact and coordinate with him to avoid further confusion
[11:09] <jtan325> http://conky.sf.net
[11:09] <jtan325> it's a lightweight system monitor for X
[11:09] <jtan325> descendant of the now-dead torsmo package
[11:09] <tseng> hah torsmo was elite
[11:10] <jtan325> tseng, then conky is 1337
[11:10] <tseng> rad
[11:10] <ajmitch> btw steps 2->4 for the debian install can be compressed to one
[11:10] <jtan325> haha i know, i know
[11:10] <ajmitch> zcat /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz > ~/.conkyrc
[11:10] <jtan325> lol yeah. just thought maybe the n00bs might learn something
[11:10] <jtan325> if i did it the long way :-)
[11:10] <ajmitch> hah
[11:11] <ajmitch> they don't learn, they cut & paste
[11:11] <tseng> if they are reading debian/rules
[11:11] <tseng> they should know zcat
[11:11] <jtan325> sure thing
[11:12] <jtan325> if you guys try conky out and run into problems and need help, let me know or try #conky, there's usually someone around
[11:13] <jtan325> oh yeah, one question: do you guys know what library Xdbe is in?
[11:13] <jtan325> because apparently my packaging has a deps problem, so the deb. dev and i are trying to figure out whre Xdbe is
[12:49] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ok duder
[12:49] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ross' debs are done
[12:49] <Lathiat> ajmitch: all up to date etc
[12:49] <ajmitch> sweet
[12:49] <Lathiat> ajmitch: http://www.burtonini.com/debian/breezy/
[12:50] <ajmitch> how much MOTUness you have at the moment? you went thru TB, right?
[12:50] <Lathiat> no
[12:50] <ajmitch> ah
[12:50] <Lathiat> i have to wait till next week to do that
[12:50] <Lathiat> i didnt know ic ould do it beforehand...
[12:52] <ajmitch> ok, should I try & get another MOTU to rubberstamp this?
[12:53] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:55] <ajmitch> mbreit: great
[12:56] <ajmitch> http://www.burtonini.com/debian/breezy/
[12:56] <ajmitch>  :)
[12:56] <tseng> im reading it
[12:56] <ajmitch> thanks tseng
[12:56] <mbreit> ajmitch: i am not in the universe keyring right now...
[12:56] <Nafallo> wow
[12:56] <ajmitch> mbreit: doesn't matter
[12:56] <Nafallo> my trashapplet is back :-)
[12:56] <tseng> it works for me, besides i thought we were at no NEW packages
[12:57] <tseng> +# postinst script for avai
[12:57] <tseng> theres a typo
[12:57] <ajmitch> tseng: ogra is letting this one through, I asked him
[12:57] <tseng> but who cares
[12:58] <tseng> not I
[12:58] <ogra> but elmo probably ;)
[12:58] <tseng> meh
[12:58] <tseng> its in the init script
[12:58] <tseng> he wotn even notice
[12:58] <mbreit> tseng: we are at "don't waste you time creating new packages, but finished packages can still be uploaded" iirc ;)
[12:58] <tseng> i see
[12:59] <tseng> monopod? :P
[12:59] <ajmitch> besides, avahi is good crack
[12:59] <ogra> tseng, you wont belive what elmo looks at if he checks... but lets test it :)
[12:59] <ajmitch> it's on REVU, we could beg ogra ;)
[12:59] <mbreit> tseng, ajmitch: i would review monopod but as you know, it does not work on amd64 :(
[01:00] <ajmitch> mbreit: no, I didn't know that
[01:00] <ajmitch> I had been using it
[01:00] <ogra> as long as no work has to go in, it should be fine for upload, but that doesnt look like
[01:00] <ajmitch> except it did want to download everything, every night
[01:00] <tseng> thats its job :)
[01:01] <ajmitch> I mean things that were already downloaded
[01:01] <ajmitch> and I'm on a 10GB data cap
[01:02] <StrikeForce> can I get someone to revu bittorrent and bittornado please :)
[01:05] <ajmitch> did bittornado really need changed?
[01:06] <Lathiat> yeh tis wxgtk dep is broken
[01:06] <ajmitch> I guess so, libwxgtk2.4-1python is installed on my box but no longer in the archive
[01:07] <Nafallo> StrikeForce: no ;-)
[01:07] <Nafallo> siretart: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO REVU? ;-)
[01:07] <ajmitch> they look ok..
[01:07] <StrikeForce> Nafallo: ok let me have a look as to why
[01:07] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: looks good, I'll upload
[01:08] <StrikeForce> Nafallo: ok why Nafallo ?
[01:08] <ajmitch> Nafallo: what's broken?
[01:08] <StrikeForce> Nafallo: I can't see anything
[01:08] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:08] <Nafallo> fixed
[01:08] <Nafallo> I got python errors for index.py
[01:08] <StrikeForce> Nafallo: I did initially as well just kept refreshing :P
[01:08] <Nafallo> siretart: forget that. dunno what happened :-P
[01:09] <Nafallo> StrikeForce: so it wasn't just me. *puuh*
[01:09] <ajmitch> gah, revu moved, so my password isn't remembered
[01:09] <tseng> oops
[01:09] <tseng> ill have the same problem someday soon
[01:11] <StrikeForce> I changed my password
[01:11] <ajmitch> siretart: your recover password util rocks, btw ;)
[01:13] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: forget that, I'll have to ask ogra to review & upload these :)
[01:13] <ajmitch> or someone else who can upload to main
[01:13] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: huh?
[01:14] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: does that mean I stuffed up?
[01:14] <ajmitch> it means that the packages are in main, not universe
[01:14] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[01:29] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[01:29] <ajmitch> so should I list all my uploads on my wiki page? ;)
[01:30] <Nafallo> ajmitch: yes :-)
[01:30] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:31] <\sh> hey guys
[01:31] <\sh> lunch break
[01:31] <Nafallo> \sh: morning :-)
[01:32] <sivang> ajmitch: when is TB ?
[01:33] <ajmitch> sivang: next week
[01:33] <ajmitch> 6 sep, 20:00 UTC
[01:33] <ajmitch> 8AM for me :)
[01:33] <ajmitch> ah, it's already on my calendar, good..
[01:35] <\sh> going agian...cu
[01:40] <slomo> good morning
[01:40] <slomo> Nafallo: ping?
[01:40] <ajmitch> morning slomo
[01:40] <Nafallo> slomo: pong :-)
[01:41] <slomo> Nafallo: did you polish the mplayer package already? ;)
[01:42] <Nafallo> slomo: tsss, I went to bed and then haven't woke up yet ;-)
[01:52] <siretart> ajmitch: recovering works again?
[01:53] <ajmitch> siretart: hm?
[01:53] <siretart> ajmitch: yesterday, mbreit told me it was broken
[01:53] <ajmitch> 'it'?
[01:54] <siretart> lostpw.py. aah now I understand
[01:54] <ajmitch> ah, right.. ;)
[01:54] <siretart> nothing is broken mbreit confused me, that all ;)
[01:54] <ajmitch> yes, it gave me the gpg output that I could decrypt
[01:54] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[01:54] <siretart> huhu slomo
[01:55] <siretart> ajmitch: well, in fact, I was too lazy to look up how I could send an email. I was interested in how popen works in python, anyway. thats the background of lostpw.py ;)
[01:56] <ajmitch> aha
[01:56] <ajmitch> sending email is very simple :)
[01:58] <siretart> I'm absolutly sure it is
[01:58] <siretart> popen is simple as well ;)
[01:59] <mbreit> siretart: it WAS broken yesterday....
[02:00] <siretart> mbreit: what did you use as email address?
[02:00] <siretart> mbreit: if you enter an email with no key associated then the output will be empty. that right
[02:01] <mbreit> siretart: the email adress was right
[02:01] <mbreit> siretart: it worked again yesterday evening
[02:01] <mbreit> siretart: with the same mail adress
[02:03] <siretart> mbreit: hmm.. then somethins weird is going on :)
[02:03] <siretart> something, even.
[02:03] <siretart> I hate this sun type 5 keyboards..
[02:04] <mbreit> siretart: i thought you fixed it....
[02:04] <siretart> I had a look at the scripts, but I didn't remember something suspicous..
[02:05] <siretart> well, lets concentrate rather on revu2. and of course on remaining transistions
[02:05] <siretart> and malone bugs
[02:05] <siretart> *sigh*
[02:06] <ajmitch> yay! :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> don't worry, we've just a frantic few weeks until release, and then the cycle can begin all over again!
[02:07] <siretart> btw, what happened to j^'s network-manager package? will we include it in universe?
[02:08] <Lathiat_> siretart: theres a big kaffufle over taht
[02:08] <Lathiat_> theres some new canonical person working on it also for breezy+1
[02:09] <ajmitch> who is working on it there?
[02:10] <Nafallo> ajmitch: Diziet
[02:11] <ajmitch> ok
[02:11] <ajmitch> ah, ian jackson, thought it would be him
[02:11] <siretart> Lathiat_: I thought diziet said, he had no objections in having nm in universe
[02:12] <Lathiat_> well im not sure what came of it
[02:12] <ajmitch> time for me to sleep, night all
[02:12] <Nafallo> ajmitch: night mate :-)
[02:13] <siretart> gn8 ajmitch
[02:23] <colin__> ogra: hi
[02:23] <colin__> (others, hi too)
[02:25] <ogra> hi colin__
[02:25] <ogra> :)
[02:26] <colin__> did your DSL problems get fixed? :)
[02:27] <ivoks> hi
[02:27] <colin__> I'm just dropping by to know what you thought about my mail (about sylpheed-claws)
[02:27] <ogra> half way.. i had a long outage tonight again
[02:27] <colin__> heh
[02:27] <colin__> that's painful :)
[02:28] <ivoks> ajmitch: did you import that fix or droped it?
[02:29] <ogra> colin__, i think it doesnt break anything, so its ok....
[02:29] <colin__> cool! good news :)
[02:29] <ivoks> ogra: there is security problem with openvpn in hoary
[02:29] <siretart> ogra! :)
[02:30] <colin__> ogra: so what should I do ?
[02:30] <siretart> does anyone happen to know what happened to opera? i think it used to be in multiverse, iirc
[02:30] <ogra> ivoks, so ping pitti about it, or the MOTUSecurity team
[02:30] <ivoks> i did a fix allready... :)
[02:30] <ogra> siretart, not that i'm aware of
[02:31] <ogra> ivoks, great, give it to pitti or the MOTUSecurity team ;)
[02:31] <siretart> ivoks: can you mail the fix to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:31] <Nafallo> ivoks: kewl. mail the debdiff to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then :-)
[02:31] <ivoks> Nafallo: www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/openvpn-20050831.diff
[02:32] <Nafallo> ivoks: I'm not a mailing-list ;-)
[02:32] <ivoks> but you are in sec team :)
[02:32] <Nafallo> hehe, oki. I'll look at it :-P
[02:32] <ivoks> :)
[02:34] <Nafallo> ivoks: that changelog needs more work. something like: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/k/kismet/kismet_2005.08.R1-1ubuntu1/changelog
[02:34] <Nafallo> but then again, more info is that would be even greater :-)
[02:35] <Nafallo> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/b/bugzilla/bugzilla_2.16.5-2ubuntu0.2/changelog
[02:35] <Nafallo> that's a good one :-)
[02:36] <ivoks> uh :)
[02:37] <ivoks> i don't have time right now...
[02:37] <ivoks> i have exam tomorrow..
[02:37] <slomo> ivoks: are these CAN fixed in 2.0?
[02:37] <ivoks> slomo: breezy has fixed version
[02:37] <slomo> ivoks: ok
[02:38] <slomo> ivoks: btw... did you hear something from mako or elmo?
[02:38] <ivoks> nope
[02:38] <ivoks> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324167
[02:38] <ivoks> 2.0.2-1 is fixed version
[02:38] <Nafallo> ivoks: looks good except the changelog ;-)
[02:39] <ivoks> damn... 2.0 is unfixed too
[02:39] <ivoks> Nafallo: feel free to change it, breezy's openvpn needs fixing too (sorry for misleading informations)
[02:39] <ivoks> or sync from debian
[02:40] <slomo> ivoks: yeah... sync from debian would be the best i think ;)
[02:40] <ivoks> well, i can't do that, so... :)
[02:40] <ivoks> slomo: it turns out that my PGP key is broken (?)
[02:41] <ivoks> slomo: GPG gurus are checking what's could be an issue...
[02:41] <slomo> ivoks: sure you can... just ping elmo to do a sync :) no need for upload rights
[02:41] <slomo> ivoks: uh... :(
[02:45] <slomo> ivoks: how did you notice that your key is broken?
[02:45] <ivoks> Severity: grave
[02:45] <ivoks> according to Debian :)
[02:46] <ivoks> slomo: i reported a bug to launchpad
[02:46] <ivoks> slomo: they had some issues and didn't know how to reproduce it
[02:46] <ivoks> slomo: it turns out, my fingerprint was creating that issues :)
[02:47] <ivoks> slomo: after debuging conclusion was that this is material for gpg gurus :)
[02:47] <ivoks> so... here I am :)
[02:50] <ivoks> ok, i'm out of here
[02:50] <ivoks> i hope elmo isn't ignoring me
[02:50] <ivoks> i just never get any feedback from him :/
[02:51] <slomo> dito... but normally he does syncs silently... when you write him a mail about the sync you'll get a "done" mail as reply ;)
[02:51] <ivoks> :)
[02:51] <slomo> but just wait for breezy-changes to list openvpn :)
[02:52] <ivoks> ok..
[02:52] <ivoks> got to go...
[02:52] <ivoks> bye
[02:58] <Mitario> hello hello
[02:59] <Treenaks> Mitario: hey
[02:59] <Treenaks> Mitario: you needed your key signed? :)
[03:00] <slomo> hi Mitario :)
[03:10] <Mitario> Treenaks, no, not anymore :) but thanks anyways, and.. I'll sign your key at some meeting or something :p
[03:10] <Mitario> slomo, any response from elmo yet? :)
[03:10] <slomo> no :(
[03:11] <Mitario> k
[03:11] <Mitario> btw, anyone knows a way to repartition and resize stuff?
[03:11] <Mitario> does gparted do that?
[03:12] <slomo> probably
[03:16] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:17] <Mitario> hi bddebian
[03:17] <bddebian> Hello Mitario
[03:24] <slomo> aaah... where is nafallo?! :(
[03:28] <Mitario> (behind you)
[03:29] <Mitario> hmm is there a 'universe/motu discussion' list?
[03:29] <Mitario> except -devel..
[03:30] <slomo> hmm... ogra? do we also sync automatically from 3rd party repositories like marillat's?
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[03:31] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[03:32] <ogra> slomo, not automatically
[03:34] <slomo> ogra: ok, thanks :) because we have 3 packages rewritten which shoudln't be synced from him
[03:35] <ogra> if they have ubuntuX versions that shouldnt be an issue anyway
[03:35] <slomo> oh... right... i haven't thought of that ;)
[03:37] <tseng> holy blog spam batman
[03:38] <slomo> ?
[03:38] <tseng> i just got 5 at once
[03:38] <slomo> spam comments in your blog? online casino and the like? ;)
[03:39] <tseng> holy crap
[03:39] <tseng> more than 5
[03:39] <tseng> yeah that stuff
[03:39] <slomo> hehe... these were the only comments i got so far ;)
[03:39] <tseng> "9 comments marked as spam"
[03:39] <tseng> slomo: oh i get a bunch
[03:39] <tseng> slomo: you need to be on planet
[03:41] <slomo> hm but i don't have many ubuntu or linux specific posts ;)
[03:42] <Treenaks> neither do I :P
[03:44] <slomo> tseng: btw... you need this wordpress audioscrobbler plugin :)
[03:44] <tseng> no i dont
[03:44] <tseng> i think its kind of crappy
[03:44] <slomo> lol... ok :) why?
[03:44] <tseng> do you have it on your site now?
[03:44] <tseng> i didnt like the output
[03:45] <slomo> yes... i have it almost since the beginning
[03:45] <tseng> lets see it
[03:47] <tseng> ogra: http://kerneltrap.org/node/5606
[03:53] <tseng> haha / activates Find in firefox
[03:53] <tseng> that rocks
[03:53] <tseng> much faster than control f
[03:53] <ogra> sine 1.0 :)
[03:53] <ogra> since even
[03:53] <tseng> no one told me!
[03:53] <Mitario> oh cool slang2 transition is complete too
[03:54] <ogra> wow, guys, you rock :)
[03:54] <Mitario> well the wiki page says so :)
[03:55] <ogra> as long as apt thinks the same, thats fine ;)
[04:21] <Mitario> hi ivoks
[04:25] <ivoks> hi
[04:30] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:32] <bddebian> If I change a build-dep for wxwin2.4-headers, do I need both wx2.4-headers and wx-common or just wx2.4-headers?
[04:33] <ivoks> ?
[04:34] <bddebian> xmule currently build-deps on wxwin2.4-headers which is replaced by wx2.4-headers, wx-common
[04:34] <Mitario> afaik just wx2.4headers
[04:36] <ivoks> hm...
[04:36] <ivoks> both
[04:36] <bddebian> Grr
[04:36] <Mitario> oh both?
[04:36] <Mitario> sorry :)
[04:36] <bddebian> :-)
[04:37] <ivoks> bddebian: check wich files you need for build
[04:37] <ivoks> maybe you don't need both
[04:37] <bddebian> ivoks: HOw do I do that?
[04:37] <ivoks> don't install any of those two
[04:38] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:38] <bddebian> OK
[04:38] <ivoks> try to compile
[04:39] <ivoks> and then every file it will miss search with apt-file search
[04:41] <pef> juste a little question in english, since I'm not very fluent, I've updated a debian/rules file by cutting down its size by 2, how should I tell that in changelog ?
[04:43] <ivoks> well... "cleaning up debhelper scripts"
[04:46] <pef> thank you !
[04:51] <Mitario> any motu's who can sponsor me?
[04:52] <ivoks> :)
[04:52] <xhaker> hello all
[04:52] <Mitario> hi xhaker
[04:56] <bddebian> Hello xhaker
[05:00] <ivoks> nice :)
[05:00] <ivoks> http://no-name-yet.com
[05:01] <ivoks> even better www.no-name-yet.com :)
[05:01] <ogra> oh, that still exists ?
[05:02] <ogra> i thought it was shut down long ago
[05:02] <ivoks> yep :)
[05:02] <highvoltage> i hope they keep it up, for historical purposes.
[05:02] <highvoltage> i remember the first time i heard that mark was going to release a linux distribution, it was very exciting.
[05:07] <Mitario> heh I didn't even know mark at that time
[05:09] <bddebian> I still don't "know" Mark :-)
[05:09] <Mitario> heh
[05:26] <pef> siretart: hi, I often have "TypeError: this constructor takes no arguments", is it a feature ? ;)
[05:27] <pef> siretart: on revu of course
[05:37] <pef> if a motu has some free time, please review this package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=522
[05:37] <pef> thanks !
[05:38] <bddebian> What should we do if there is a newer revision of something in Debian but it's on UniverseUnmetDeps?  In this case vipec.
[05:38] <Mitario> siretart, ping
[05:40] <Mitario> bddebian, are the unmetdeps being fixed with the debian merge?
[05:41] <bddebian> Mitario: Actually it has FTBFS problems with gcc4
[05:41] <Mitario> hmmmm i thought you could ask for a merge from elmo but i'm not totally sure :S
[05:41] <Mitario> ajmitch, ?
[05:41] <Mitario> ajmitch always knows these kind of things :)
[05:43] <bddebian> ajmitch is MOTUIC?
[05:45] <bddebian> No one else knows???
[05:46] <tseng> whats the question?
[05:46] <tseng> i see several
[05:47] <bddebian> What should we do if there is a newer revision of something in Debian but it's on UniverseUnmetDeps?  In this case vipec.
[05:47] <tseng> we arent syncing new revisions from debian
[05:47] <tseng> unless it does something to fix unmet deps/
[05:47] <tseng> whats the rationale
[05:47] <bddebian> Well you can't fix an unmet dep if you can't build it ;-)
[05:47] <tseng> oh
[05:47] <Lathiat_> bddebian: so it has gcc4 problems too?
[05:48] <bddebian> Lathiat_: Yes
[05:48] <Lathiat_> if so, it should probably be synced
[05:48] <Mitario> bddebian, you could apply a patch
[05:48] <Lathiat_> is it a nwe version?
[05:48] <Lathiat_> or just a new revision?
[05:48] <Mitario> (to fix the gcc4 errors)
[05:48] <bddebian> Mitario: Aye but if it's already fixed in Debian, why do it?
[05:48] <Lathiat_> Mitario: its nicer to sync, makes merging later easier...
[05:48] <bddebian> Lathiat_: -4 vs -3
[05:48] <Mitario> bddebian, UVFS :)
[05:48] <Lathiat_> bddebian: then thatd probably be ok, but i'd check with one of the other MOTUs first
[05:49] <siretart> Mitario: pong
[05:49] <Mitario> siretart, hey, can you add me to revu when I click 'send'? :)
[05:49] <bddebian> tseng: See, I try to help.. :'-(
[05:49] <siretart> send?
[05:49] <siretart> huh?
[05:49] <Mitario> siretart, (in evolution)
[05:49] <tseng> if its jsut a gcc fix
[05:49] <tseng> sync it
[05:49] <tseng> (after testing)
[05:50] <siretart> Mitario: ah, you want your key in the keyring?
[05:50] <bddebian> tseng: HOw do I get it synced?
[05:50] <tseng> mail elmo
[05:50] <Mitario> siretart, yes, and a reviewer account :)
[05:51] <Mitario> bddebian, ask elmo :)
[05:51] <Mitario> iirc
[05:51] <pef> where can I find a personn in the "strongset" for signing my key ?
[05:51] <tseng> pef: biglumber.com
[05:51] <slomo> pef: biglumber for example
[05:51] <bddebian> pef: In here or a DD or biglumber :-)
[05:52] <pef> this needs a physical contact, right ?
[05:52] <bddebian> pef: Help me what, kill myself
[05:52] <bddebian> :-)
[05:52] <slomo> Mitario: any answer from mako or elmo?
[05:52] <Mitario> slomo, not yet :(
[05:52] <pef> bddebian: yes, but mmm I'm too far :/
[05:52] <siretart> Mitario: done
[05:52] <Mitario> siretart, thanks :)
[05:53] <slomo> Mitario: maybe we should visit them ;)
[05:53] <siretart> Mitario: I added your key, please upload something to review to get a account created
[05:53] <Mitario> sladen, yeah you have a ticket to UK/australia? :D
[05:54] <siretart> err wait
[05:54] <siretart> I can do that by hand..
[05:54] <siretart> Mitario: try to recover your password
[05:54] <slomo> Mitario: not sladen :P
[05:54] <Mitario> pff indeed ;)
[05:54] <Mitario> siretart, allright
[05:55] <slomo> Mitario: but i don't have one... but afaik they're both in the USA?
[05:55] <Mitario> oooh
[05:55] <slomo> Mitario: but that doesn't make it easier ;)
[05:55] <Mitario> slomo, heh :)
[05:56] <Mitario> siretart, ehm 'Now paste the text below?'
[05:57] <siretart> Mitario: your login is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:57] <Mitario> yeah
[05:58] <Mitario> siretart, but at the 'recover' page I don't get an encrypted pass
[05:58] <bddebian> tseng: Do you know if he prefers e-mail or ping on IRC?
[05:58] <Mitario> just type this command: gpg -d <<EOT
[05:58] <Mitario> and then, paste the text below
[05:59] <siretart> indeed
[06:00] <Mitario> problem is, there's no text below ;)
[06:00] <Treenaks> Mitario: does gpg -d give you something?
[06:00] <Mitario> Treenaks, yeah, a stdin
[06:00] <Treenaks> Mitario: give it an encrypted message
[06:01] <Mitario> which encrypted message?
[06:01] <Treenaks> Mitario: that will (when decrypted) show the indicated text
[06:01] <Mitario> Treenaks, yes I know :)
[06:01] <Treenaks> Mitario: so what's the problem? :)
[06:01] <Mitario> Treenaks, the encrypted message didn't appear to recover my pass, but siretart now fixed it
[06:02] <siretart> it does now?
[06:02] <siretart> Mitario: does your pw work after all?
[06:03] <Mitario> hmm, gpg -d doesn't return a password at all
[06:03] <Mitario> it returns to stdout?
[06:04] <Mitario> ooooh
[06:04] <Mitario> wait, missed the missing \n
[06:04] <Mitario> siretart, allright works now :)
[06:05] <siretart> Mitario: these are the things I want to do better in revu2 ;)
[06:05] <Mitario> code it in ruby ;-)
[06:05] <siretart> Mitario: you are welcome to contribute: http://revu.tauware.de/trac
[06:07] <Mitario> btw what's the adv of using dput over dupload?
[06:07] <siretart> none.
[06:07] <siretart> I like the syntax of dput better
[06:07] <Mitario> ah
[06:11] <Mitario> hrm, how do I generate .changes from a source package
[06:13] <slomo> Mitario: dpkg-buildpackage or debuild
[06:14] <Mitario> yeah but that makes me compile the package :)
[06:14] <bddebian> How else would you have any changes? :-)
[06:14] <Mitario> oh changes is per binary package of course :)
[06:14] <Mitario> no it isn't :/
[06:15] <Mitario> well if you dpkg-buildpackage -S for instance, it doesn't generate changes
[06:15] <slomo> Mitario: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa for example
[06:15] <Mitario> aaah
[06:15] <Mitario> right
[06:15] <Mitario> danke :)
[06:15] <slomo> Mitario: this creates changes... (and -sd instead of -sa when you don't want the original tarball to be included)
[06:16] <Mitario> allright :)
[06:16] <slomo> Mitario: you can speak german? or just some words? ;)
[06:17] <Mitario> well, i speak more than 'some words', but i'm not native if that's what you mean :)
[06:18] <slomo> Mitario: ok, we better stay with english then ;)
[06:19] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:19] <Mitario> slomo, try me ;-)
[06:20] <Nafallo> food, sleep or leisure? ;-)
[06:20] <slomo> Nafallo: ah, there you are again :) let's finish mplayer today ;)
[06:20] <slomo> Nafallo: and i think the liba52 segfault is related to this cvs version... let's see whether it disappears with the try2
[06:22] <Nafallo> slomo: that's food and coffeine then ;-). brb.
[06:23] <pef> slomo: hi
[06:23] <slomo> Nafallo: ok =)
[06:23] <slomo> pef: hi :)
[06:25] <pef> slomo: can you have a look at coccinella on revu ? you already advocated it, it's a new upstream version(and debian/rules is twice smaller :]
[06:25] <slomo> pef: twice smaller? cdbs? ;)
[06:25] <slomo> pef: but sure... i'll do
[06:25] <pef> slomo: no, better usage of loops ;)
[06:26] <pef> and I've deleted configure stuff target, useless for scripts
[06:27] <slomo> pef: ok :)
[06:29] <slomo> oh no... galeon crashed :(
[06:30] <slomo> pef: and it's your fault ;P the debdiff was too big for the ram ;)
[06:33] <slomo> pef: hmm... 686... does it run on something lower?
[06:35] <pef> slomo: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), I think yes, but I will ask to people on forum (can't test at home)
[06:35] <pef> the .so files
[06:36] <slomo> pef: ok... i don't know whether we have some policies for such things ;)
[06:43] <bddebian> Damn, why do I even bother looking at fscking C++ code :'-(
[06:43] <slomo> bddebian: ?
[06:43] <bddebian> slomo: Looking at some of my FTBFS problems :-(
[06:44] <Mitario> bddebian, tried google? :)
[06:45] <Mitario> I just found a few FTBFS packages on google :)
[06:45] <Mitario> just by searching for one line of the error message
[06:45] <slomo> bddebian: or look debian bts or gentoo for fixes ;)
[06:45] <bddebian> BTS doesn't have anything
[06:48] <bddebian> Nor does google
[06:48] <slomo> what package?
[06:48] <bddebian> tyvis
[06:49] <slomo> bddebian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=tyvis
[06:50] <slomo> bddebian: http://packages.qa.debian.org is useful for such things :)
[06:50] <bddebian> slomo: That isn't the error I'm getting.  I knew about that one
[06:50] <slomo> bddebian: oh... sorry then :(
[06:50] <bddebian> NP :-)
[06:53] <slomo> bddebian: can you paste the error somewhere?
[06:55] <bddebian> bah, whats the damn pastebin url?
[06:55] <slomo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[06:55] <bddebian> Ah, I didn't have the linux part :-)
[06:55] <slomo> or paste.debian.net ;)
[06:57] <bddebian> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1770
[06:59] <slomo> ok, i'll take a look... but don't expect too much ;) i don't like c++
[06:59] <bddebian> Who does besides jbailey?? ;-P
[07:00] <slomo> hm, i thought he is a C guy ;)
[07:00] <bddebian> Jeff knows everything ;-)
[07:00] <slomo> bddebian: hmm... i have an other line 107 than you ;)
[07:03] <SloMo_> bddebian: hmm... i have an other line 107 than you ;)
[07:03] <bddebian> great
[07:04] <slomo> lol
[07:05] <slomo> what is this LONG thing?
[07:06] <bddebian> No freaking clue :-)
[07:08] <slomo> hrm
[07:08] <slomo> ok ;)
[07:12] <bddebian> I'm a dumbass remember :)
[07:16] <slomo> siretart: oh nice... our current non-marillat ffmpeg seems to be broken for ac3 decoding... marillat one's work... i hope mdz will answer my mail before breezy ;)
[07:27] <pef> bye !
[08:08] <ivoks> hi
[08:10] <ivoks> any motu around here?
[08:11] <Mitario> uploader? :p
[08:11] <ivoks> yep
[08:16] <ivoks> ok... issue around my key is solved
[08:17] <bddebian> ivoks: Cool
[08:17] <slomo> ivoks: how?
[08:17] <bddebian> ivoks: What was up with the launchpad thing?
[08:17] <ivoks> i turns out launchpad doesn't support sing-only keys
[08:17] <ivoks> those are keys without subkey
[08:17] <bddebian> Ahhh
[08:18] <ivoks> (you can't encrypt with it)
[08:18] <ivoks> that will be fixed, but i will have to wait for one more month :)
[08:20] <Mitario> ivoks email mako with the CoC? :)
[08:20] <ivoks> i allready did
[08:22] <ivoks> now, any uploader here?
[08:23] <ivoks> we have a security bugs in openvpn :/
[08:24] <ivoks> seriuos! :)
[08:24] <slomo> ivoks: was already uploaded by mdz
[08:24] <slomo> ivoks: warty and hoary pending
[08:24] <ivoks> slomo: for hoary and warty?
[08:24] <ivoks> ok
[08:31] <ivoks> great news
[08:32] <ivoks> imho, swf-player should Conflict with flashplugin-nonfree
[08:34] <ivoks> anyone to discuss this with me?
[08:35] <ivoks> no one? ok...
[08:35] <slomo> hehe... seems like everyone is dead today ;)
[08:35] <bddebian> I'm just st00pid and can't seem to fix anything.. :'-(
[08:37] <Mitario> hmm, revu, are packages beining uploaded automatically if it gets advocated twice?
[08:37] <slomo> Mitario: no :/
[08:37] <Mitario> oki :)
[08:42] <ivoks> ok, guys...
[08:42] <Mitario> yeah?
[08:42] <ivoks> anyone against making swf-player conflicts flashplugin-nonfree?
[08:42] <ivoks> bddebian: you mean couldn't? :)
[08:43] <bddebian> Bah :-)
[08:43] <Mitario> ivoks, are there file conflicts?
[08:43] <ivoks> Mitario: no, but there is an issue in firefox/mozilla
[08:43] <ivoks> nonfree is plugin that works
[08:43] <ivoks> while swf-player plugin doesn't work on all sites
[08:43] <Mitario> ah
[08:43] <ivoks> if you have both, mozilla will call swf-player
[08:43] <ivoks> not nonfree
[08:44] <Mitario> what happens if you install them both?
[08:44] <ivoks> just told you
[08:44] <ivoks> mozilla will call swf-player, not nonfree
[08:44] <Mitario> aah sorry
[08:44] <ivoks> and you wouldn't see some sites (americasarmy.com for example)
[08:45] <Mitario> but mozilla will work with nonfree?
[08:46] <ivoks> if swf-player is deinstalled, yes
[08:46] <Mitario> oki I think its fine then :)
[08:54] <Mitario> brb going to some pub
[08:54] <Mitario> bbiab
[10:34] <bddebian> Is there not a PendingUpload status on bugzilla anymore??
[10:42] <bddebian> Ack, where the hell is everyone? :-)
[10:42] <slomo> bddebian: fixing stuff ;)
[10:42] <Nafallo> bddebian: humans :-)
[10:44] <bddebian> So how do I get merged packages uploaded now?
[10:45] <slomo> ask someone to upload it for you... Nafallo maybe
[10:46] <Nafallo> bddebian: where are they? :-)
[10:47] <bddebian> Nafallo: The merged version of diacanvas2 should be able to go up now
[10:48] <Nafallo> bddebian: ehm, REVU?
[10:48] <Nafallo> or where? :-)
[10:48] <bddebian> bugzilla :-)
[10:48] <Nafallo> ah
[10:48] <Nafallo> bugnumber? :-)
[10:48] <bddebian> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12258
[10:53] <bddebian> Same for xcruise: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11957
[10:53] <Nafallo> bddebian: so just upload the stuff from http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/diacanvas2/ ?
[10:53] <bddebian> Nafallo: Yep.  I think you need to do a quick changelog entry???
[10:55] <Nafallo> bddebian: seems like it
[10:57] <Nafallo> bddebian: next time you should have the changelog in your patch to :-).
[10:57] <bddebian> Why, I can't upload anyway.. :-)
[10:58] <Nafallo> bddebian: no, but then you get the credit on breezy-changes ;-)
[10:58] <Nafallo> if it's my key isn't the point ;-)
[11:02] <bddebian> Nafallo: I need credit? :-)
[11:02] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:03] <bddebian> ajmitch!!
[11:06] <Nafallo> bddebian: yes :-)
[11:06] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hi there :-)
[11:06] <Nafallo> bddebian: I hate diacanvas2 :-P
[11:27] <Nafallo> bddebian: xcruise uploaded
[11:28] <ivoks> hi
[11:28] <Nafallo> ivoks: morning
[11:29] <ivoks> lol
[11:29] <ivoks> 'night
[11:40] <Nafallo> bddebian: diacanvas2 uploaded