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[10:55] <jelkner> Kudos to kjcole and company for a great job a the Takoma Park Folk Festival yesterday!
[10:55] <jelkner> Everytime I walked by the booth, it was the busiest one I saw.
[10:56] <jelkner> Our LoCo has established a real presence there, with folks returning year after year to see us.


[05:03] <BotLobsta> does anyone know what the gdk-pixbuf.loaders file does
[05:03] <BotLobsta> and how to obtain said file?
[06:30] <vlowther> woo 3 second S3 resume times! (and 2 of that is reloading my network modules)
[07:04] <monk> any fixes available for authentication against WPA2 APs failing?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> monk: killall NetworkManager && NetworkManager
[07:07] <monk> ok. i will try that. (and yes i am aware it will kill my irc connection as well ;) )
[07:48] <LinuxProbie> Can anyone help me with samba? It's forgotten how to see my windows network
[07:55] <homerhome1> anyone install gutsy in virtualbox?
[07:56] <homerhome1> it stalls on me, I looked on there webpage and it a known bug, but has anyone got around this?
[08:13] <nixternal> homerhome1: when it stalls, from the vbox filemenu, have you tried to do reset? that worked for me
[08:13] <nixternal> i.e. make it attempt to load twice in one session if you catch what I am saying
[08:15] <homerhome1> okay i'll give it a shot
[08:15] <homerhome1> thanks
[08:16] <nixternal> I think it is 'File -> Reset'
[08:46] <AnAnt> Hello, I got an HP Pavilion dv6391 laptop with AMD Turion X2 on it, I installed Feisty (x86 version) on it, the problem is that it randomly crashes when I issue commands on the terminal (or console), especially when a beep occurs, anyone knows a solution for this ?
[08:48] <DanaG> WTF?  For some reason, my DVD playing keeps freezing at chapter marks.
[08:48] <DanaG> It says "Error reading NAV packet".
[08:49] <Xemanth> AnAnt: how does it crash ? freeze
[08:49] <AnAnt> Xemanth: yup, and if the last thing happening was a beep, it keeps beeping
[08:54] <AnAnt> Xemanth: hello ?
[08:54] <Xemanth> AnAnt: you have Kubuntu Feisty? Try disabling sound manager
[08:55] <AnAnt> Xemanth: I don't use Kubuntu
[08:55] <AnAnt> Xemanth: I tried Feisty (i386) and Gutsy (AMD64)
[08:55] <jdt> hi, is this also the channel for Kubuntu 7.10?
[08:55] <AnAnt> Gutsy has another problem though
[08:56] <AnAnt> actually it is AMD64 versions that have another problem
[08:56] <AnAnt> Xemanth: what is equivalent to sound manager in Ubuntu ?
[08:57] <Xemanth> hmm
[08:57] <Xemanth> AnAnt: i don't remember atm :D
[09:01] <unimatrix9> AntAnt alsa mixer?
[09:02] <DanaG> AaaaAAaAgh, and now Kaffeine just CRASHED again!
[09:02] <DanaG> Argh.
[09:03] <AnAnt> unimatrix9: that is just a volume controller
[09:04] <unimatrix9> oh i see what you mean..
[09:04] <unimatrix9> system / preferences / multimediasystems then ?
[09:05] <unimatrix9> that only lets you choose sound systems, like for example alsa , or oss
[09:05] <DanaG> What the hell?
[09:05] <DanaG> It just froze again!
[09:05] <DanaG> And when it crashes, it forgets all my settings changes.
[09:06] <Xemanth> DanaG: use smplayer
[09:06] <Xemanth> :)
[09:06] <Xemanth> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsmplayer.sourceforge.net%2Flinux%2F&ei=6UeoRumLN5TknAOHk9mnCg&usg=AFQjCNH-_HFM4kKAYt1QBa4GjfrjljBY_g&sig2=fhdX_fk9qYTV49HKdwHE6w
[09:06] <Xemanth> shit wrong url
[09:06] <Xemanth> http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/linux/
[09:07] <Xemanth> DanaG: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/smplayer/smplayer_0.5.21_i386.deb
[09:11] <DanaG> Can mplayer do AC3 decoding, and good deinterlacing without devouring my CPU?
[09:13] <DanaG> Oh heck, smplayer is already in the repos.
[09:19] <DanaG> Argh, smplayer doesn't give me a GUI to select which sound card to use.
[09:21] <djkorn_> w0w..
[09:22] <djkorn_> wuzup!?
[09:22] <djkorn_> so... gutsy is faster now?
[09:22] <djkorn_> i mean.. rendering cube 3D with reflection?
[10:03] <Lunks> I can't get Avant Window Navigator to run on gutsy
[10:04] <Lunks> compiling it myself gives me a "segmentation fault" error
[10:04] <Lunks> trying to find a deb gives me that libwnck18 that everyone must already heard of. :P
[10:06] <RAOF> Lunks: Don't use feisty repositories with Gutsy :)
[10:07] <Lunks> i don't normally use, but I couldn't compile it so I gave it a try =p
[10:09] <Lunks> RAOF: it's weird i can't find a single deb file for gutsy, why?
[10:11] <RAOF> Lunks: Because no one uses gutsy :)
[10:11] <RAOF> Also, because it's going to be in Debian (and hence Ubuntu) moderately soon
[10:12] <Lunks> so, should I just wait then?
[10:12] <Lunks>  =P
[10:13] <Lunks> isn't there something i can do to work around this libwnck18 dependency?
[10:44] <Zapek> recently evolution starts eating a lot of cpu while apparently doing nothing. it seems related to notification-daemon
[11:48] <leperkhanz> I still can't get Gutsy to boot after the last updates (File corruption problem).  Is anyone else having this trouble?
[11:49] <leperkhanz> Should I reinstall Tribe 3, or is there a better work around.  (I already tried fsck /dev/sdc6
[12:07] <Nick_Hill> A question to people who fix bugs in Ubuntu, from a bug reporter!.. When filing hardware bugs, I try to provide as much information about hardware as I can. However, there is always likely more information the bug fixer will want about my system. Is there a program which can gather, in a consistent way, all driver, hardware interface, I/O, interrupt, DMA data a hardware developer can need in one operation?
[12:08] <Nick_Hill> I am thinking of a program which can output a highly structured, possibly machine readable hardware interface profile.
[12:11] <jussi01> Nick_Hill: yes there is
[12:11] <Amaranth> Nick_Hill: easier to just be a responsive bug reporter and supply extra info as needed
[12:11] <jussi01> are you on gnome?
[12:11] <Amaranth> jussi01: and the hardware database stuff is worthless for this
[12:11] <Nick_Hill> jussi01, Yes
[12:11] <jussi01> Amaranth: why?
[12:12] <Nick_Hill> I am thinking such information woudl be useful not just for bug reporting, but to build up a database of which machines have which hardware (particularly laptops) which can help with recommending those likely to work well with GNU/Linux
[12:12] <Amaranth> jussi01: because that's submitted anonymously to a separate thing
[12:13] <Infecto> Nick_Hill: but, its not laptopproblme
[12:13] <Infecto> only its components
[12:13] <Infecto> like ati cards
[12:13] <rjek> Nick_Hill: That's already been done with the hardware reporting stuff, but that's not useful for bug reports.
[12:13] <jussi01> Amaranth: but can you not quote your hardware database code in the bug report?
[12:13] <Infecto> finger print readers
[12:13] <rjek> The problem is, the things somebody might need past your usual lspci and dmesg could be almost anything, depending on the package.
[12:15] <Nick_Hill> The information often does extend beyond lspci. For instance, which graphics driver is loaded, which modules loaded. The interrupts, DMA, etc
[12:15] <rjek> dmesg often has clues to that information.  You could always just dump the contents of /proc into a text file.  But I still think that the data needed by a specific bug/package combination is so wide, that such a tool would have limited use.
[12:16] <Nick_Hill> I thought that if pretty much everything about the hardware was captured, in a machine readable form, then compressed, bufg fixers would have less down time getting back to the bug reporter.
[12:17] <Nick_Hill> A compressed audit of all machine hardware data would probably take only a few tens of K and be worth a simple command to attach it to a bug
[12:22] <Nick_Hill> Such an effort could focus minds on how can we capture even more hardware data, perhaps leading to exploring innovative methods of profiling a hardware-software interface. Bug fixers might then find innovative ways of using the data available.
[12:22] <rjek> Feel free to write a script to do it.
[12:23] <Nick_Hill> rjek, I am trying to see how far imagination for such an idea can stretch, and determine if there is a consensus on the possible benefits.
[12:31] <Ind[y] > What was the last LTS Ubuntu, and what will be the next?
[12:32] <rsk> Ind[y] : 6.06 and every two years
[12:32] <Ind[y] > rsk: So, the next will be 8.10?
[12:32] <rsk> Ind[y] : right now 8.xx will be the next lts
[12:32] <rsk> Ind[y] : why are you asking?
[12:33] <Ind[y] > where xx is what?
[12:33] <Ind[y] > 04 06 or 10?
[12:33] <rjek> Well, 6.06 plus two years is 8.06
[12:33] <Ind[y] > ok
[12:33] <Ind[y] > thanks
[12:33] <rsk> ?
[12:51] <Ind[y] > Update Notifier does not work at all. It does not update, thus, it does not notify me.
[12:56] <Ind[y] > So?
[12:57] <rsk> i dont get it
[12:59] <Nick_Hill> 6.06 was delayed for two months. It was supposed to have been released in April but needed more debugging.
[01:13] <Ind[y] > rsk: Update Notifier does not work at all. It does not update, thus, it does not notify me.
[01:13] <rsk> Ind[y] : try via the commandline sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:20] <Pici> oh that reminds me...
[02:10] <eagles0513875> sup every1
[02:10] <rsk> hey
[02:12] <eagles0513875> sweet jacks workign now
[02:33] <Ind[y] > rsk: Why?
[02:33] <Ind[y] > rsk: I CAN update.
[02:33] <Ind[y] > And all that stuff.
[02:34] <Ind[y] > It just doesn't get done automatically. Neither Update Notifier tells me that there are updates available.
[02:34] <Ind[y] > Pici: Did you find anything?
[02:34] <Pici> Ind[y] : To be honest, it reminded me of another issue I had to look at.
[02:34] <Ind[y] > Pici: lol
[02:35] <Pici> But let me see in a few if the gui update notifier works for me
[02:35] <rsk> Ind[y] : in gusty?
[02:35] <Ind[y] > rsk: Yes. (I had it in Feisty, too)
[02:36] <Ind[y] > Is Michael Vogt here?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Ind[y] : mvo
[02:36] <Ind[y] > (the developer that tries to fix the bug)
[02:36] <Ind[y] > Hobbsee: sorry?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Ind[y] : his irc nick is mvo
[02:36] <asisak> Ind[y] : nickserv says "Last Seen: 1 hour 53 minutes 32 seconds ago"
[02:36] <Ind[y] > ok
[02:37] <Ind[y] > thanks
[02:41] <Ind[y] > Another issue tha I had with every Ubuntu version, (in gutsy, as well) is that if you set a domain name for your pc, through network-admin, the computer name of your pc, gets discarded from /etc/hosts, and a very strange thing happens. Application such as terminal, and open home folder, get launched after a while, when you start them.
[02:41] <Ind[y] > s/tha/that
[02:41] <Ind[y] > s/Application/Applications
[02:42] <Ind[y] > Delay to start.
[02:42] <SeveredCross> You're supposed to log out and log back in when you do that, aren't you?
[02:42] <Ind[y] > SeveredCross: That does not fix the problem.
[02:42] <SeveredCross> Odd.
[02:43] <Ind[y] > But when you go to /etc/hosts and add your computer name to <IP_ADDRESS> again, then everything is normal.
[02:44] <SeveredCross> Very odd.
[02:44] <SeveredCross> Never had the issue myself.
[02:48] <Ind[y] > SeveredCross: Remove for a while your computer name (host name) from /etc/hosts and try.
[02:48] <Ind[y] > *and see
[02:49] <SeveredCross> Oh, I know what it would do full well, just it's odd that it would not get readded if you change the hostname.
[02:49] <SeveredCross> Filed a bug against network-admin?
[02:50] <Ind[y] > No. I will.
[02:50] <Ind[y] > The fact is that I have filed some bugs, but the most got ignored.
[02:50] <Ind[y] > So I find it pointless.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Ind[y] : i suggest you help out with bug triage, so it isnt so worthless, then.
[03:01] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hey how r ya ur up rather late
[03:02] <Hobbsee> bu totherwise good
[03:02] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee:may i ask what this ban is:(
[03:03] <Hobbsee> a guy being a jerk in #Kubuntu, which someone else removed.
[03:03] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[03:04] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: forsome reason in kubuntu testers i get a 404 when i type something then hit enter it says cant send to channel
[03:04] <Hobbsee> that's probably because you were distracting it, and stopping others from getting work done...
[03:04] <Hobbsee> so you got muted in all the development channels
[03:05] <eagles0513875> :( how can i get unmuted
[03:09] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: removed.  please learn to stay on topic.
[03:09] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ty Hobbsee btw ive isolated the bug to the latest version of lib xine 1.1.7
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hooray.  so you said in the bug report
[03:10] <eagles0513875> :)
[03:10] <eagles0513875> no i just dont know how to fix it
[03:10] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: its so hard to find someone else whose running the 64bit version to confirm the bug
[03:11] <rjek> I'd try, but I'm not about to install in-development software on either my desktop or laptop, which are my only two AMD64 machines.
[03:12] <eagles0513875> rjek: i have it installed on my laptop i would like someone to confirm this bug or its just me who did something stupid and some how broke something
[03:13] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: lol u referring to me somehow
[03:14] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: at the first?  yes.
[03:14] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: from what ive seen it doesnt seem like anybody has worked on my bug besides myself would that change now that ive isolated what the cause is
[03:14] <Hobbsee> maybe.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> then again, how many bugs are in launchpad again?
[03:15] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i know what ur saying
[03:15] <Hobbsee> have you filed it with the xine guys?
[03:15] <eagles0513875> no i have not i have with the kde guys
[03:15] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: was in the channel the other day and they guys in there were rather jerks
[03:16] <Hobbsee> you isolated the problem to xine, so you filed it with kde...rigth then.
[03:16] <eagles0513875> ya
[03:16] <eagles0513875> will file it now with xine if i can find the link to report any bugs on their pg
[03:16] <rjek> Hobbsee: Are you expecting logic from users? :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> rjek: absolutely.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> rjek: you are in #ubuntu+1
[03:17] <asisak> rjek: "this is not #ubuntu" as the #debian topic says :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> rjek: you are *supposed* to know various things in the linux world, including how to file bugs, and hwo not to be a moron.
[03:17] <unimatrix9> hllo LL
[03:17] <Hobbsee> rjek: see the /topic about all the warnings.
[03:17] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i need to start developing that logic  especially if im going into the IT field and programming part
[03:17] <unimatrix9> is there an irc channel for the livecd?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> unimatrix9: i dont think so.  for gutsy, it's here
[03:18] <asisak> unimatrix9: development / testing / user support?
[03:18] <rjek> Hobbsee: I completely agree.  It does appear that most people who come in here to ask questions are just version junkies with a fetish for bling, and not actually interested in helping.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> rjek: they must be from the forums :P
[03:18] <eagles0513875> i love helping
[03:18] <Hobbsee> rjek: incidently, that's why they get ignored a lot
[03:18] <unimatrix9> or a list of options to give the live startup : i am trying to find a way to disable floppy seek at bootup of gutsy
[03:18] <eagles0513875> unimatrix9: have u checked in ur bios
[03:19] <Hobbsee> unimatrix9: er...isnt that a bios thing?
[03:19] <unimatrix9> alas no such option in bios
[03:19] <rjek> unimatrix9: Does the seek happen before the CD boots?  If so, you've not got many options.
[03:19] <eagles0513875> unimatrix9: do u need the floppy drive cuz if u dont just go into the bios and disable it
[03:20] <eagles0513875> unimatrix9: as well as take it out of the boot sequence
[03:20] <unimatrix9> i seeks after loading the splash screen , its an know bug, feisty had the same thing
[03:20] <unimatrix9> so i am stuck with 6.10
[03:20] <unimatrix9> :P
[03:20] <Hobbsee> unimatrix9: bug #?
[03:20] <eagles0513875> unimatrix9: just go into the bios take it out of the boot sequence and disable the drive or u could always unplug it lol
[03:20] <rjek> Does the floppy seek cause something catastrophic to happen?
[03:21] <rjek> Perhaps one option is to prevent the floppy module from being loaded.
[03:21] <unimatrix9> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/97306
[03:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97306 in casper "[feisty]  installer reports I/O error dev fd0" [Undecided,New]
[03:22] <rjek> I seem to recall there's a way of blacklisting modules from the kernel command line, but I forget what it is.
[03:22] <unimatrix9> i dont have an floppy drive, but it seeks it any way
[03:22] <unimatrix9> hehe
[03:22] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: logic is something you want to develop in conjunction with when learning to speak, and not to speak, and when you're being annoying to others, and/or not following the rules
[03:22] <eagles0513875> ok
[03:23] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ill be quiet now
[03:23] <unimatrix9> hmm, what about loading it in txt mode and then going from there...
[03:23] <rjek> unimatrix9: One assumes the BIOS isn't configured to suggest there is a floppy drive installed?  My only suggestion past getting the bug fixed is to blacklist the floppy module.
[03:23] <rjek> Removing "quiet splash" from the kernel command line will certainly let you see what's going on.
[03:24] <unimatrix9> good tip
[03:26] <eagles0513875> rjek: how did u do that
[03:26] <rjek> eagles0513875: If you can't be bothered to type "you", I can't be bothered to answer.
[03:26] <unimatrix9> i remember that knoppix has an list of cheatcodes that you can use to give the live cd , maybe there is some need for such a list for the ubuntu live startup..for trouble shooting, there are already some things listed afcause...
[03:27] <eagles0513875> rjek: sry bad habit of mine from instant messaging
[03:27] <eagles0513875> rjek: how did you manage to do that i agree with you that is more useful than seeing the kubuntu name and loading bar
[03:28] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i filed the report with xine
[03:28] <rjek> eagles0513875: You can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst.  Find the line that starts #defoptions=, and remove the "quiet" and "splash" options.  Save, run update-grub.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: great.  now wait.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> or fix it
[03:28] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i am waiting lol and if i do try to fix it what file woudl i look it lol
[03:28] <rjek> eagles0513875: Do not uncomment that line, btw.  Otherwise update-grub won't work.
[03:29] <eagles0513875> rjek: would it be a good idea to make a back up of the menu.lst
[03:29] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: you were told where to start fixing last time, in #ubuntu-motu.  you acted like a brick wall.  there's no need to tell you again - you can look at your own logs.
[03:29] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ok
[03:29] <rjek> eagles0513875: If you're scared of breaking it, then yeah, sure, make a backup.
[03:29] <rjek> I don't bother.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: people may as well spend time helping people who want to learn, and are willing to do a bit of research on their own, not wasting their times with brick walls.
[03:30] <eagles0513875> rjek: ive broken the x a number of times in the past just trying to get my open gl to work lol now thank god for a wiki i can do it but i still make a back up just in case
[03:30] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ill figure it out on my own
[03:30] <Hobbsee> good.
[03:30] <rjek> Fortunately, I'm careful with what hardware I buy, so stuff like GL just works out of the box.
[03:31] <eagles0513875> rjek: i hate ati
[03:31] <rjek> I don't hate them.  But I'd always favour NVIDIA or Intel graphics over ATI.
[03:31] <eagles0513875> rjek: same
[03:31] <eagles0513875> jussi01: what model ati u got
[03:32] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ??
[03:32] <jussi01> 9200
[03:32] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: im saying i like nvidia or intel ovr ati
[03:32] <eagles0513875> jussi01: no wonder lol u dont have as much of a headache as i do
[03:33] <Hobbsee> oh right, i missed a line.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> that still doesnt stop the fact that you're acting like a brick wall
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !u | eagles0513875
[03:33] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[03:37] <rjek> eagles0513875: Search for "defoptions"
[03:38] <eagles0513875> ok ty
[03:38] <eagles0513875> i was typing in some extra stuff
[03:39] <eagles0513875> woot
[03:39] <eagles0513875> rjek: brb goign to try it out
[03:42] <eagles0513875> rjek: that kicks *** lol sensoring myself here and its rather interesting it loads alot faster then with the splash screen
[03:43] <eagles0513875> rjek: what else did u do to ur system
[03:43] <rjek> I doubt it's noticably faster at all.
[03:43] <rjek> It's just more stuff looks like it's happening, so it looks faster.
[03:43] <eagles0513875> rjek: what else have you done with ur system
[03:44] <rjek> I don't customise much.  All I've done is patch acpi-support such that thinkpad-keys doesn't eat 10% of CPU, and fix a backlight-related problem in the intel X driver.
[03:44] <rjek> It's less effort and cheaper to buy a faster computer than it is to faff about squeezing the last drop of performance out of what I've got.
[03:44] <eagles0513875> rjek: thats kool i have an amd athlon 64 which im loving right now with probably one of the greatest 64bit os
[03:44] <Hobbsee> rjek: i'd be interested in that acpi-support patch, and how many people it works for
[03:44] <Hobbsee> and the backlight related problem, come to think of it
[03:45] <eagles0513875> rjek: lol well im going try and start on a project and create a rather interesting linux distro but that is going off topic
[03:45] <rjek> Hobbsee: The issue is that thinkpad-keys checks the NVRAM every 50ms.  I just changed it to check once every half second (one #define changed).  I can live with that latency.
[03:46] <rjek> Hobbsee: I forget where I got the patch for the intel driver, but it's already in gusty IIRC.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> rjek: have you filed a bug with a patch about that thinkpad-keys?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ah, great.
[03:46] <rjek> Hobbsee: I did, yes.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> rjek: did it get implemented?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> rjek: and if not, what's the bug #?
[03:47] <rjek> Hobbsee: Although apparently newer acpi-supports etc don't even require thinkpad-keys
[03:47] <rjek> Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/126655
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126655 in hotkey-setup "thinkpad-keys polls too frequently and is a major culprit of CPU wakes" [Undecided,New]
[03:47] <rjek> Hobbsee: I believe the ibm-acpi guys implemented it all as real acpi events in their driver, so the need for a userland-daemon vanished.
[03:48] <rjek> I've also spoken to thinkpad-keys' author (Paul Sladen) as I see him quite frequently in #debian-uk
[03:49] <Hobbsee> rjek: right.  ie, is this something that should still be fixed in ubuntu, or is it fixed in another wya now?
[03:50] <rjek> Hobbsee: I'm told by the thinkpad people that it should be solved in the kernel by the time gutsy ships.
[03:50] <rjek> But I've had no concrete answer.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> rjek: right
[03:52] <rjek> He has his fingers in many pies.
[03:53] <eagles0513875> lol
[03:53] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: is there anything u would like me to test out for ya
[03:53] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: not currently
[03:54] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ok let me know if i can test out any debugged stuff for ya
[03:54] <Trewas> it's somehow ironic that gnome-power-manager and thinkpad-keys are the worst cpu-wasters on my thinkpad x41, after all they both are programs that are mainly useful on laptops where not wasting cpu would be nice
[03:54] <Trewas> both use way more cpu than x or firefox for example
[03:55] <unimatrix9> how much cpu time does beryl use? or dont you use it?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> unimatrix9: beryl isnt in gutsy
[03:57] <rjek> Trewas: Snap.  gnome-power-manager is almost completely useless on my X61.
[03:57] <rjek> Powertop is a great little tool, btw.
[03:57] <unimatrix9> ah, its called desktop effects ...
[03:58] <unimatrix9> or desktops looks...
[03:58] <Trewas> unimatrix9: I tried compiz briefly but didn't saw any point using it as it doesn't respect workspace switcher preferences etc
[03:59] <rjek> Workspace switching and different keyboard shortcut semantics are the reasons I don't use it.
[03:59] <Pici> PriceChild: For some reason restricted manager is... well... in the restricted repos.
[03:59] <PriceChild> restricted repos?
[03:59] <unimatrix9> yes you are right, but some people really go for desktop effects.
[03:59] <Pici> mc44 had the same issue.
[04:00] <PriceChild> Pici, restricted repos?
[04:00] <rjek> unimatrix9: I am one for fuctionality rather than bling.  I'm interested in Compiz Fusion, as some of its plugins actually look useful.
[04:01] <unimatrix9> its true that the restricted manager does not load by default on gutsy, you have to install it if you want it, but maybe that will be changed on the final release
[04:01] <Pici> PriceChild: you know.  universe,multiverse,main, restricted
[04:01] <PriceChild> oh sorry yeah
[04:01] <PriceChild> so its not installed by default anymore?
[04:01] <unimatrix9> see above
[04:02] <unimatrix9> :)
[04:02] <PriceChild> i also notice desktop effects has been consolidated into system > preferences > appearance :)
[04:02] <unimatrix9> yes true, hard to find if you are used to some other place to look...:)
[04:03] <unimatrix9> even for us change can be hard eh? ;)
[04:03] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: im glad at least i can listen to music in another audio player
[04:04] <Hobbsee> yay!
[04:05] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: honestly im rather flustered with xine source but ill figure it out lol
[04:06] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:06] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:08] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6182 what out of everything do i download here
[04:10] <Pici> eagles0513875: Is that the link you meant to paste?
[04:11] <eagles0513875> Pici: i know its to a program but what of those files would i download to install and help test it out
[04:11] <eagles0513875> Pici: do i just download the tar.gz
[04:11] <Hobbsee> you download all of it...
[04:12] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: then you compile them like normal
[04:12] <Hobbsee> then you run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc, then compile, yes
[04:12] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ty hobbs
[04:22] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: feisty came with xinelib 1.1.6 is that right
[04:22] <Hobbsee> dont remember, look it up
[04:23] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ok
[04:24] <asisak> !info xinelib feisty
[04:24] <ubotu> Package xinelib does not exist in feisty
[04:26] <eagles0513875> asisak: then what did amarok use in feisty
[04:26] <asisak> !info libxine1 feisty
[04:26] <ubotu> libxine1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 2414 kB, installed size 5372 kB
[04:26] <asisak> I was dumb not figuring out the real package name first :)
[04:26] <eagles0513875> asisak: ty lol maybe i can isolate the problem that i have with my bug even further than i already have
[04:27] <asisak> yw eagles0513875
[04:27] <asisak> good luck :)
[04:27] <eagles0513875> asisak: ty lol i have to say xine is rather flustering when u dont know one bit of programmign language lol
[04:32] <eagles0513875> asisak: do u have a machine that has feisty on it or is the machine ur on the only one that has kubuntu on it
[04:32] <asisak> !u | eagles0513875
[04:32] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[04:33] <asisak> I have neither Kubuntu nor Feisty machines, sorry.
[04:33] <eagles0513875> asisak: its ok
[04:33] <eagles0513875> asisak: ur ubuntu user
[04:36] <asisak> sudo apt-get remove libxine.*
[04:37] <asisak> removes all xine stuff
[04:37] <eagles0513875> asisak: even if its compiled from source
[04:37] <asisak> every binary is compiled from source :D
[04:37] <eagles0513875> k
[04:37] <asisak> but no, if you have not installed it via a package manager...
[04:39] <eagles0513875> shit
[04:39] <eagles0513875> i think i broke something
[04:39] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[04:39] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:41] <eagles0513875> asisak: i broke apt:(
[04:42] <eagles0513875> nm i fixed it i think
[04:42] <asisak> eagles0513875: what do you mean by 'breaking apt'?
[04:42] <eagles0513875> asisak: i somehow uninstalled adept manager and a shared folder when i purged xine from my system
[04:43] <eagles0513875> asisak: just had to reinstall adept manager
[04:44] <eagles0513875> !extract
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about extract - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <eagles0513875> asisak: just removing xine removed alot of programs i use like ark for instance
[04:46] <phalax> I have problems with error code 139 from dpkg.. Is this a known issue??
[04:47] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: should i report a bug when purging xine from system it installs essential programs if the bug has not already been reported
[04:48] <phalax> I think its from the latest apt upgrade..
[04:49] <eagles0513875> what changed in the latest apt upgrade
[04:50] <eagles0513875> can anyone explaine to me y the xine pkg for amarok is named aspell sl
[04:50] <Pici> Huh?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: what?  if you uninstall xine, it installs other stuff?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: very unlikely.  if you're talking about autoremoves.
[04:51] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i was purging it from my system then it uninstalled ark and adept manager
[04:51] <asisak> eagles0513875: it is sure that the xine package  is not named aspell
[04:51] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: on gutsy, you're expected to actually look at things, and not blindly hit "yes"
[04:52] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: so if you file it, i'll just mark it as user error.
[04:52] <asisak> phalax: what is this 139-code issue?
[04:52] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i was in adept when i purged it
[04:52] <eagles0513875> and it happened
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ...and?
[04:52] <phalax> Stller in apt (0.7.4ubuntu1) ...
[04:52] <phalax> Segmentation fault
[04:52] <phalax> dpkg: fel vid hantering av apt (--configure):
[04:52] <phalax>  underprocess post-installation script gav felkod 139
[04:52] <phalax> Fel uppstod vid hantering:
[04:52] <phalax>  apt
[04:52] <eagles0513875> it uninstalled adept manager and ark
[04:52] <phalax> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:52] <Pici> !paste  | phalax
[04:52] <ubotu> phalax: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:53] <eagles0513875> !adept fix | phalax
[04:53] <ubotu> phalax: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:54] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: you would have uninstalled kubuntu-desktop with uninstalling xine, whcih probably set a whole lot of stuff to auto-remove.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> then if you hit full-upgrade withotu looking, yes you would have screwed up yoru system.  this si where you actually have to look and think, and not blindly hit yes.
[04:54] <eagles0513875> is that a bug worth reporting or would be just user error
[04:54] <Hobbsee> it's not worth reporting a bug over, as it's your fault.
[04:54] <eagles0513875> ok
[04:54] <eagles0513875> well i fixed it
[04:56] <Dekkard> ... so i take it that the latest (61) gaggle of updates is ok?
[04:56] <Pici> Why would they not be?
[04:56] <Dekkard> heh
[04:57] <Dekkard> i remember on feisty.. one bunch caused systems to become unbootable
[04:57] <zefyrus> I've just upgraded to gutsy and my Turion 64 X2 have the second core disabled !!!
[04:57] <zefyrus> the 7.04 kernel worked fine
[04:57] <jussi01> !bug | zefyrus
[04:57] <ubotu> zefyrus: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:57] <Dekkard> zefyrus,  do you still have the other kernel in your boot dialogue?
[04:58] <eagles0513875> asisak: now this is an interesting turn of events in regards to my bug
[04:58] <zefyrus> sure,
[04:58] <zefyrus> but i'll have to recompile the nvida package
[04:58] <zefyrus> again
[04:58] <zefyrus> ;@
[04:58] <zefyrus> :@
[04:59] <Dekkard> try doing it on an athlon 900...
[04:59] <Dekkard> if you think it sucks on a turion
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Dekkard: does your apt always segfault?
[04:59] <Dekkard> no
[04:59] <Dekkard> lots of crash reports though
[05:00] <Dekkard> update mine
[05:00] <Dekkard> mime
[05:00] <Dekkard> opera
[05:00] <Dekkard> notification applet
[05:00] <Dekkard> tomboy
[05:00] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: my bug #126598 has been updated
[05:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126598 in amarok "Audio cuts out in and out in amarok and kde 3.5.7" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126598
[05:01] <Dekkard> ive hade pypanel crash a bunch when i use pekwm
[05:01] <Dekkard> so i dont know if maybe theyr is a python problem..
[05:01] <eagles0513875> Dekkard: report ur bugs dude if they have not been reported already
[05:02] <Dekkard> ya think?
[05:02] <eagles0513875> yep
[05:04] <jussi01> .amarok?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> likely wise
[05:05] <asisak> maybe something in .kde
[05:05] <eagles0513875> asisak: didnt see anything in there
[05:06] <asisak> .kde/share/config/amarok* maybe
[05:06] <asisak> But how to find config files is quite basic knowledge in my opinion from someone running the development version :)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> locate .amarok*
[05:06] <Hobbsee> locate amarok*
[05:06] <Hobbsee> but yes, you should actually know what you're doing
[05:07] <jussi01> bingo!!
[05:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[05:08] <tatters> !vm-server
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vm-server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:08] <tatters> vmware-server
[05:09] <asisak> tatters: I guess we only have vmware-player packages
[05:09] <tatters> yup :(
[05:09] <eagles0513875> tatters: u wanting to run it on a 32bit machine
[05:09] <tatters> yes
[05:10] <eagles0513875> i dont know how to do it but i know once u instlal it u have to then patch it
[05:10] <eagles0513875> that is all i know
[05:11] <tatters> ok thnx  will it be become available in future or have they dropped it?
[05:12] <eagles0513875> tatters: im not sure
[05:12] <asisak> tatters: I am almost sure vmware server have never been included in Ubuntu. I am not sure if there is a possibility to include it
[05:12] <Hobbsee> vmware-server has never been in ubuntu, this is correct
[05:12] <tatters> it was available in fiesty I only just reformatted and installed gutsy
[05:13] <asisak> That must have been some 3rd party repository...
[05:13] <Hobbsee> vmware-player was.  server never was.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[05:13] <Hobbsee> yes, that's correct
[05:14] <Pici> vmware-server-kernel-modules is in feisty, but not gutsy.
[05:14] <tatters> cannot remeber sure it w
[05:14] <tatters> yah thought I was going mad for mo
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Pici: suspect it got removed
[05:15] <tatters> lol,only want it so my partner can play Bingo ,,,game requires IE
[05:15] <asisak> tatters: you might use ie4linux
[05:16] <Pici> !ies4linux | tatters
[05:16] <ubotu> tatters: ies4linux is a script that quickly and effortlessly helps you install 3 versions of IE in Wine. Information can be found at http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page including instructions specifically for Ubuntu. ies4linux is aimed at web designers and ie-only sites, so please, dont use any of the IEs to navigate! Use Firefox!
[05:16] <tatters> yah just looking into that now,thnx
[05:17] <eagles0513875> guys im going to take a break from thsi and relax before i head out to a concert soon
[05:18] <jussi01> no
[05:18] <jussi01> not at all
[05:21] <tatters> is there a gutsy repo available for ie4linux
[05:22] <asisak> tatters: I am afraid there is none
[05:22] <tatters> So my only option is to compile or ?
[05:23] <Dekkard> roll a .deb?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> which involves compiling, yes.
[05:24] <lemo> isn't ie4linux just a script?
[05:24] <lemo> and i guess you won't need any deb for it, just download and run
[05:25] <tatters> doesnt the script have to be distro specific still though?
[05:25] <tatters> btw complete noob here
[05:26] <lemo> i guess you only need wine from repos to run the script
[05:30] <tatters> yeh it seems most of the instruction is for wine so ill give the script a try after installing wine
[05:31] <asisak> tatters: if you are a complete noob you should not use gutsy.
[05:32] <tatters> oh I dont know I am doing ok,just need a little help now n then
[05:33] <tatters> I new to linux 5 months been messin with comps for 25 yrs so I have no fear of the unknown
[05:34] <tatters> I remeber using 8 bit wide paper tape :))
[05:34] <rsk> tatters: dont forget to run latest wine from the winehq repo
[05:45] <asisak> tatters: okay, no offense meant :)
[06:02] <tatters> asisak  no worries, I was not offended I understand Y u said it,and thnx all for help IE4slinux up  n runnin, and seems to have solved the problem :)
[06:04] <Toma-> !info audacity
[06:04] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2321 kB, installed size 6832 kB
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> Is it just me or is openoffice broken in gutsy? It won't get past the splash screen for me, stops at 100% and consumes 100% cpu.
[07:53] <jussi01> LeeJunFan: sounds like it. file a bug ;)
[08:06] <loufoque> I just upgraded to gutsy and one of my hard disks is constantly making noise
[08:06] <skyfalcon866> is there a way to install the 2.6.22 kernel on a fiesty install
[08:06] <loufoque> plus for some reason I can't even mount the single partition that's on it
[08:06] <skyfalcon866> from the gutsy disk
[08:11] <asisak> loufoque: do you use UUID-s?
[08:11] <asisak> or you have another problem
[08:12] <loufoque> asisak: the disk isn't even mounted
[08:12] <loufoque> when I try to mount it, I get mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/test busy
[08:13] <loufoque> and when I try to umount it, I get umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted
[08:13] <loufoque> /media/test is obviously not busy, I just created the directory
[08:13] <loufoque> the biggest problem though, is the constant noise
[08:13] <loufoque> it's extremely annoying
[08:13] <mrsno> loufoque check with 'sudo mount' to see what is mounted
[08:14] <mrsno> and where
[08:14] <DanaG> Argh, I've been having issues with CD reading.
[08:14] <loufoque> it is not mounted
[08:14] <mrsno> i would be worried about the hd making noises though :o
[08:14] <DanaG> I thought my laptop CD drive was broken, because trying to 'dd' from it would give an error immediately.
[08:14] <DanaG> But I booted Windows and it works.
[08:14] <DanaG> !info smartctl
[08:14] <loufoque> I guess I'll just have to plug it out
[08:14] <ubotu> Package smartctl does not exist in gutsy
[08:15] <DanaG> !smartmontools
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smartmontools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <DanaG> !info smartmontools
[08:15] <ubotu> smartmontools: control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Version 5.37-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 280 kB, installed size 684 kB
[08:15] <DanaG> aah.  Third time's the charm.
[08:16] <loufoque> my dmesg is full of
[08:16] <loufoque> [ 1025.686579]  device-mapper: table: 254:4: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[08:16] <loufoque> [ 1025.686957]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[08:17] <slimz> hey, i just saw the digg of atlantis/screensaver, how do i get this for gutsy? it says compiz-fusion-plugins-extra is already newest, but i dont see it
[08:18] <loufoque> stopping udev stops the annoying sound
[08:18] <loufoque> looks like I found the bug
[08:18] <loufoque> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[08:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress]
[08:18] <Pici> slimz: Sounds like Gutsy's package isnt synced with the latest c-f svn/git
[08:23] <slimz> Pici, how would i go about gettingit?
[08:24] <Pici> slimz: You'd have to download it from the opencompositing.org git and compile it yourself.
[08:24] <slimz> ahh ok,thanks!
[08:26] <slimz> Pici, maybe i should just wait :)
[08:27] <DanaG> Oh, if you don't use evms, you can / may remove it.
[08:28] <slimz> Pici, i thought you can get just the plugin to compile,but you have to compile the whole thing
[08:44] <fwefe> Hi! Is it only me that cant install themefiles in new gutsy?
[08:53] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[08:54] <jussi01> hello MacSlow
[09:13] <lsproc> I am unable to install Gutsy with update-manager in Feisty, the Update text never shows
[09:17] <lsproc> what should i do?
[10:00] <colourtux> Has anyone here been using Gibbon?
[10:00] <asisak> I guess most people here use Gutsy (as well)
[10:02] <colourtux> I have not have time to upgrade from KDapper. Feisty didnt like my graphics card so...
[10:10] <Pici> hmm. Did the update-manager notify icon get bigger or is it just my imagination?
[10:11] <asisak> Pici: it got bigger
[10:11] <Pici> Neat.
[10:19] <lsproc> The update manager will not see Gutsy even if i run with -d. How shall I get it to see it/upgrade
[10:23] <johnnybuoy> hi
[10:23] <johnnybuoy> I am creating a .deb package at the moment
[10:24] <johnnybuoy> and I'm wondering what the way is to change the PATH of the system...
[10:28] <johnnybuoy> the PATH environment variable, to be exact
[10:28] <johnnybuoy> I know it is not usually recommended to do so, but this is a special case
[10:51] <Enselic> Are virtual consoles disabled in gutsy?
[10:51] <Enselic> (as in C-A-F1)
[11:04] <xorl> Ok, so I am trying to get down to this probably in the launchpad, issue with firefox/thunderbird/Flock, if they pop up a window they instantly lock up.
[11:04] <xorl> Or segfault down to term
[11:08] <xorl> ah ha
[11:10] <xorl> Fixed.
[11:11] <xorl> GTK theme was incompatible
[11:29] <xorl> ah hah
[11:29] <xorl> yeah
[11:29] <xorl> current GTK platform is not compatible with themes from previous gutsy 7.04
[11:30] <xorl> tested with 3 other themes, they lock up mozilla based products
[12:09] <scotth> is anyone else seeing that notification popups are behaving weirdly
[12:10] <asisak> scotth: what do you mean?
[12:10] <scotth> like I hover over the gnome-power-manager notification applet and I get nothing, but if I move away I get info about my battery that doesn't go away until I mouse over
[12:10] <scotth> same thing happens to the music-applet and tomboy
[12:11] <scotth> its pretty annoying and I'm unsure where to look for a related bug report, much less where to file it


[03:26] <rexbron> hey everyone
[04:44] <ScottL> doh, that's the second time i missed rexbron before he left again
[04:48] <persia> MemoServ was designed to address that specific concern :)
[06:26] <astraljava> ScottL: I'm not e[c]static over g-n-a being fixed, as I can't use it myself. :) 3G connection requires NM. :)
[06:27] <astraljava> ScottL: But yeah, I haven't had time to put into US this cycle muchly, what with the house, the puppy, now univ. studies and work overtime. I would expect things to get better for the next one.
[06:27] <astraljava> ScottL: Might even get DSL for that, w00t! :)
[09:38] <quadrispro> ScottL, swh-lv2 seems working fine
[09:38] <quadrispro> ScottL, I'm about to upload it to Debian NEW
[09:39] <persia> Woohoo!
[10:55]  * abogani waves
[11:03] <quadrispro> ciao abogani
[11:07] <astraljava> Hiya guys. :)
[11:14] <abogani> quadrispro: Ciao!
[13:23] <scott-work> good morning everyone :)
[13:23] <scott-work> astraljava: thanks for the email to the list :)
[13:24] <scott-work> perhaps i should have been much more succinct and explained that networking should work out of the box
[13:24] <scott-work> i tend to try to explain too much
[13:38] <scott-work> getting swh-lv2 packages is awesome :)
[13:39] <scott-work> will there be any reason to ship swh-plugins (ladspa) with studio if we have swh-lv2 ?
[16:11] <astraljava> scott-work: By out of the box, do you mean also 3G connections?
[17:40] <scott-work> astraljava: actually, probably not for 3g
[17:41] <scott-work> but previously, unless you were connecting the computer directly to a router (with dhcp) via a network cable then you probably didn't have network since you couldn't configure your connection
[17:41] <scott-work> at least now those with wireless (i.e. a lot of users with laptops) should be able to configure their settings to connect :)
[18:13] <scott-work> holstein: when would a meeting work for you?
[18:13] <scott-work> holstein: and i remember us talking about making a wiki page for apps that are not included in studio, was there another one we were discussing as well ?
[18:39] <falktx> hey guys
[18:39] <holstein> falktx: hey
[18:39] <falktx> i already spoke about this some time ago
[18:39] <holstein> scott-work: should it be evening?
[18:40] <falktx> I'm about to make an ubuntustudio live dvd, for testing
[18:40] <holstein> falktx: nice
[18:40] <falktx> should it be lucid or maverick?
[18:40] <holstein> im going to get some help from a friend on chroot
[18:41] <holstein> i say lucid
[18:41] <scott-work> maverick has a gnome-network-admin that works though :)
[18:41] <scott-work> and maverick has jack2
[18:41] <holstein> true
[18:41]  * holstein changes mind
[18:41] <falktx> yep, I think maverick is the one that needs testing
[18:42] <scott-work> holstein: i don't expect too many people in the meeting, if you intend to attend the meeting then i say we work around your schedule ;)
[18:42] <falktx> guys on the forums are asking about a maverick PPA
[18:42] <scott-work> i'll make it at almost any time
[18:42] <scott-work> falktx: for which applications ?
[18:42] <falktx> would you guys consider a team PPA?
[18:43] <falktx> scott-work: mostly US ones
[18:43] <scott-work> falktx: for applications that are already in studio ?  i'm not sure i'm understanding the purpose of the ppa then
[18:44] <falktx> scott-work: for updates
[18:44] <falktx> scott-work: oh, of course, for apps not in the official repos too
[18:45] <holstein> scott-work: wednesdays are usually good
[18:46] <astraljava> scott-work: Looks like I won't be able to test today; this 3G is just too unreliable and slow...
[18:46] <holstein> scott-work: not the next few though
[18:46] <holstein> astraljava: :/
[18:47] <scott-work> falktx:  i think that is an idea we should explore
[18:48] <scott-work> holstein: you want to try in about three weeks ?
[18:48] <scott-work> astraljava: that's okay, sorry you are having problems though
[18:49] <falktx> scott-work: my biggest problem is that I dont have easy acess to the internet (no net at home)
[18:49] <falktx> scott-work: I wont be able to maintain a maverick PPA
[18:49] <falktx> scott-work: even for my lucid one, it's a very big task already...
[18:49] <falktx> so I suggest a team PPA
[18:50] <falktx> users will appreciatte it
[18:52] <scott-work> falktx: i agree, users will agree with a unified ppa for studio applications
[18:52] <scott-work> arghh, 2nd "agree" should be "appreciate"
[18:52] <astraljava> +1
[18:52] <falktx> scott-work: we should talk to AutoStatic too
[18:53] <scott-work> and possible philip5 as well
[18:54] <scott-work> i have a concern about trying to indicate that this is an "official" ubuntu studio ppa however if we are including applications that are not in the archives due to licensing issues
[18:54] <scott-work> i would also like to push updates back into debian so that they get into the archives as well
[18:56] <falktx> scott-work: there should be no licensing issues on the PPA, launchpad/canonical does not allow that
[18:56] <falktx> scott-work: btw, I have an external non-free repository...
[18:56] <falktx> (top secret!)
[18:57] <scott-work> falktx: lol, this channel logged by the way ;)
[18:57] <falktx> scott-work: it's ok
[18:57] <falktx> scott-work: the devs game me permission to put them on kxstudio
[18:57] <falktx> scott-work: and that means put them online on a repo...
[18:57] <falktx> hehehe
[18:58] <scott-work> i feel very strongly about providing a ubuntu studio ppa , even for an official repo, if nothing else as for updates/backports
[18:58]  * holstein got busy for a minute
[18:58] <holstein> scott-work: you want to go for the 29th?
[18:59] <scott-work> phone call, be right back
[18:59] <falktx> have to go, bye guys!
[18:59] <holstein> falktx: laterx
[18:59] <falktx> oh, and holstein, I have a deb in my PPA with mumble+jack output
[19:00] <falktx> holstein: there's a patch in debian/patches
[19:04] <scott-work> back, trying to refinance our house
[19:04] <scott-work> rate is going from 5.96% to 4.625% :)
[19:04] <scott-work> holstein: 29th sounds great
[19:04] <scott-work> hmm falktx is gone already
[19:04] <holstein> w00t
[19:05] <holstein> yeah, we got 4.6 something fixed on ours
[19:05] <holstein> we were stoked
[19:05] <scott-work> i was going to tell falktx that nothing is stopping him, phillip5, autostatic and anyone else from making a an unofficial ubuntu studio team ppa
[19:05] <scott-work> they can all work together and even include things that are not in the archives
[19:06] <holstein> that would be handy
[19:06] <scott-work> holstein: yeah, hoping to save $100-200 a month on mortgage, that would be pretty sweet over 30 years :P
[19:06] <holstein> totally :)


[00:02] <Laney> motu-release folks: How do you determine whether a library has new features?
[00:03] <Laney> http://gitorious.org/projects/git-python/repos/mainline/blobs/master/CHANGES <- we currently have 0.14.1
[00:05] <ScottK> Laney: It's got features.
[00:05] <Laney> ScottK: That's what I thought
[00:05] <Laney> thanks
[00:05] <ScottK> Does it have rdepends?
[00:06] <Laney> dunno, just looking at the u-u-s queue
[00:06] <Laney> no
[00:06] <ScottK> Might be worth doing.  Dunno.  It looked like mostly fixing.
[00:07] <Laney> andersk: ^^ (about bug 337460)
[00:12] <Laney> jpds: apologies for not uploading u-d-t myself
[00:12] <Laney> :(
[00:20]  * Laney is using bzr builddeb for the first time
[00:21] <james_w> \o/
[00:22]  * porthose thinks bzr builddeb rocks
[00:22]  * directhex wonders what's wrong with good ol' cvs
[00:24] <Laney> wait
[00:24] <Laney> guh, it didn't work
[00:27] <james_w> what went wrong?
[00:28] <Laney> I guess the branch is borked somehow
[00:28] <slangasek> directhex: there are copious blogs and case studies on the Internet that answer that question; perhaps you'd like to troll the author of one of those, instead of trolling here :P
[00:28] <Laney> http://dpaste.com/19307/
[00:29] <Laney> maybe it's not set up for builddebbing or something
[00:29] <Laney> looks like it checked out the wrong version
[00:29]  * Laney fails
[00:29]  * Laney should read docs before trying things
[00:34] <Laney> hah
[00:34] <Laney> broken get-orig-source and watchfile
[00:35] <Laney> nice(!)
[00:41] <Laney> much better
[01:53] <leonel> scottK what means the  X in the packages in the tables in  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Clamav
[01:53] <ScottK> leonel: It means they don't exist in that release.
[01:53] <leonel> scottK Ok ..
[02:35] <ripps> Does anybody know why automake would freeze and consume large amounts of ram in a build environment, but not in normal desktop environment?
[03:58] <fabrice_sp> Hi. bug Bug #277926 still happens in Jaunty, and is fixed in debian Unstable's version. Is it better to apply the fix to actual jaunty's version or request a sync for synfigstudio? (as we are in Beta Freeze)
[04:02] <dtchen> fabrice_sp: the fix linked from comment 20 would be the way to go
[04:03] <dtchen> fabrice_sp: i.e., apply it to jaunty's existing source package
[04:04] <fabrice_sp> dtchen, ok. That's what I thought. This way, I can fill a SRU for intrepid after. By the way, this package FTBFS (Bug #336583). Should I update the debdiff in that bug report to add this patch?
[04:05] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: Yes.  Combine the changes into one debdiff.
[04:06] <fabrice_sp> will do. Thanks!
[05:58] <dholbach> good morning
[06:02] <fabrice_sp> Hey dholbach
[06:02] <fabrice_sp> how are you this morning ;-)
[06:02] <dholbach> hi fabrice_sp - very good, thanks
[06:02] <dholbach> how 'bout you?
[06:03] <fabrice_sp> good too :-)
[06:04] <fabrice_sp> could you please have a quick look at bug #348160?  Someone else put a debdiff, and we 'disagree' on using quilt or not ;-)
[06:04] <fabrice_sp> just to be sure I'm not totally wrong
[06:05] <iulian> Heya dholbach, fabrice_sp.
[06:05] <fabrice_sp> Hey iulian ! :-)
[06:05] <dholbach> hiya iulian
[06:06] <dholbach> fabrice_sp: autotrace clearly just patches the source directly
[06:07] <fabrice_sp> dholbach, that's exactly what I saw :-) I'll wait his answer then. Thanks ;-)
[06:07]  * fabrice_sp hugs dholbach
[06:08] <dholbach> fabrice_sp: I generally feel that if you're not maintaining the package yourself, it's not worth adding a patch system
[06:09] <fabrice_sp> dholbach, ohh. ok. Anyway, I'll also ask him to report the fix to debian, so that next time, we can just sync
[06:09] <dholbach> sounds good
[06:09]  * dholbach hugs fabrice_sp back
[06:10] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[06:54] <didrocks> good morning o/
[06:59] <a|wen> morning didrocks
[07:05] <didrocks> hey a|wen
[07:22] <DanMcGoo> hi
[07:23] <RAOF> Someone's quite likely to want to help you here :)
[07:26] <RAOF> You need some packaging help?  What with, and have you already read the packaging guide?
[07:26] <DanMcGoo> Actually I am trying to build my first debian package
[07:27] <DanMcGoo> I am quite advanced and I almost finished it
[07:27] <DanMcGoo> but I have one problem
[07:27] <DanMcGoo> /usr/bin/install -c -D -m 755 .libs/libOpenDRIMCommon.so /home/guillaume/DEB/test/libopendrim-common-1.0.3/debian/tmp/usr/lib/
[07:28] <DanMcGoo> this line make one error because the usr/lib directory does not exist under debian/tmp
[07:29] <RAOF> Have you written that?  What is trying to execute that?
[07:30] <DanMcGoo> actually it is trying to execute it
[07:32] <ttx> DanMcGoo: it's your "make install" that executes that ?
[07:32] <DanMcGoo> yes
[07:32] <DanMcGoo> actually the install section have been entierly rewritten by my predecessor
[07:32] <ttx> DanMcGoo: then it means make install doesn't create directories on targetdir if they are missing
[07:32] <RAOF> So, you'll need to fix the makefile.
[07:32] <DanMcGoo> yes correct
[07:33] <ttx> you can workaround that by adding usr/lib in a "debian/dirs" file
[07:33] <DanMcGoo> so i should do an "install -d DIRECTORY" right ?
[07:33] <DanMcGoo> really ?
[07:33] <DanMcGoo> it will create it automatically ?
[07:33] <ttx> well, it depends on what your rules file looks like
[07:33] <ttx> if its CDBS it will
[07:34] <DanMcGoo> autogenerated by dh_make
[07:34] <ttx> if its debhelper then you'll need dh_installdirs in there (should be there)
[07:34] <DanMcGoo> it's there
[07:35] <ttx> so the dirs trick should do it. Though you should rather fix your makefile, since you control both sides :)
[07:35] <ttx> DanMcGoo: otherwise it will fail on anyone deploying in something else than /
[07:36] <DanMcGoo> but I read this from the Ubuntu Packaging guide: "You only need to use dh_installdirs if your package needs to ship empty nonstandard directories"
[07:36] <ttx> yes, that's why it's a workaround. Proper fix is to patch the makefile
[07:37] <DanMcGoo> ok I c
[07:37] <DanMcGoo> thanks for the help ^^
[07:37] <ttx> np
[07:39] <DanMcGoo> so actually I have another question
[07:39] <DanMcGoo> I added install -d /usr/lib
[07:39] <DanMcGoo> what will happen if I do a ./configure --prefix=/usr ?
[07:39] <DanMcGoo> it will create a /usr/usr/lib directory ?
[07:45] <ttx> DanMcGoo: it obviously depends on what your configure/makefile make of it... but I thnink the make install DESTDIR will be overridden correctly
[08:21] <gnunezr> Hello... Any MOTU around for a (I hope) quick question :)?
[08:23] <ttx> gnunezr: just ask and you may be answered.
[08:23] <gnunezr> Ok... I have a debdiff for a bug in launchpad, but I'm not sure how to proceed...
[08:24] <gnunezr> Not even sure if this is the right place for such a question
[08:24] <gaspa> gnunezr: did you already upload the debdiff on LP?
[08:24] <gnunezr> Uh... Nope
[08:24] <ttx> gnunezr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue might help
[08:25] <gaspa> ttx: embarassed? :D
[08:25] <ttx> uh.
[08:25] <gaspa> ttx: am I so scary?
[08:25] <ttx> I knew it might help, but so quick, I'm impressed.
[08:26] <gonzalo_> oops... sorry ttx... xchat just died on me
[08:32] <Toadstool> good morning
[08:35] <gonzalo_> ttx, gaspa: Uh... I don't see the bug listed in the Sponsors Queue. The bug in question is LP #107668, in the 'gnome-mount' package.
[08:37] <gaspa> gnunezr: so, when you think you tested enough your patch, (1) attach it to the bug report,(2) set it as confirmed, and (3) subscribe ubuntu-{main,universe}-sponsors to the bug.
[08:37] <ttx> gnunezr: there is already a developer assigned to it
[08:38] <gaspa> uh, right
[08:38] <gaspa> gnunezr: talk with pitti, then. :P
[08:39] <gnunezr> ttx, gaspa: Ok... So, I just add a comment in the bug report addressed to him?
[08:39] <ttx> gnunezr: sounds good.
[08:40] <gnunezr> ttx: Ok, cool... Thanks both ttx and gaspa :) G'nite/G'day (depending on where in the world are you ;) )
[08:41] <gaspa> ...and in which part of the day we use to sleep...
[08:42] <gnunezr> lol... Indeed!
[08:43] <gnunezr> thanks! l8r
[09:02] <binarymutant> dholbach, did you mean the copyright was wrong?
[09:03] <dholbach> binarymutant: no, you said that the last patch was "reversed"
[09:04] <dholbach> binarymutant: I don't think that's true
[09:04] <binarymutant> dholbach, the first one I had posted was
[09:04] <dholbach> binarymutant: the copyright stuff the new patch wants to change for example is in the patch already
[09:06] <dholbach> binarymutant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/138086/
[09:06] <dholbach> whatever the new patch is supposed to do, it fails to apply
[09:06] <dholbach> and the old patch applied cleanly (and I did not have to use "-R")
[09:09] <binarymutant> dholbach, this bug needs to be closed, this debdiff was already applied from bug #347346 and I think thats why its reversed
[09:11] <dholbach> binarymutant: ok, just close it then :)
[09:12] <binarymutant> sorry about that, how do I close it? change status to fix released?
[09:13] <dholbach> or invalid, yep
[09:13] <dholbach> no worries
[09:13] <binarymutant> ty ty
[10:16] <a|wen> what is the procedure for security-updates in universe?
[10:18] <a|wen> as a MOTU do i still subscribe motu-swat / ubuntu-security? and what status should i use (can't seem to find that info)
[10:20] <siretart`> kees: -^^
[10:51] <a|wen> i've gone with triaged now and subscribed motu-swat ... please let me know, if i can/should do someting more myself
[12:10] <dholbach> who of you would like to give a 15 minute demo of something to do with packaging some time in the next month? something like "updating a gnome package" or "what dh_install --list-missing can do for you" or "not going nuts with quilt"
[12:10] <dholbach> it's for the packaging training sessions we're planning
[12:24] <maxb> not going nuts?
[12:25] <dholbach> maxb: or "avoiding pain with quilt" or something - whatever :)
[12:25] <maxb> ah, right :-)
[13:11] <a|wen> mdeslaur: ping
[13:15] <ScottK> a|wen: There's a wiki page (don't recall exactly which) that tells you what to do with bug status and such to make sure they pick it up.
[13:16] <mdeslaur> a|wen: yes
[13:17] <a|wen> mdeslaur: also about the patch tagging; when they are applied inline, should the ubuntu-applied-patches be inside or outside the debian dir?
[13:18] <mdeslaur> a|wen: when they are applied inline, just include the urls and bugs in the changelog as you've been doing
[13:19] <mdeslaur> a|wen: I've never done the "ubuntu-applied-patches" directory
[13:19] <mdeslaur> of course, if there is one already, than put your patches in it
[13:21] <a|wen> mdeslaur: so generally making a specific link to the patch if that is possible ... i'm working on the fix for the last two squirrelmail CVE's as you mentioned
[13:22] <mdeslaur> a|wen: yeah...if we discover a bug in a patch, it'll be easier to figure out where we got it from. It's also easier to review if there's a link.
[13:22] <mdeslaur> a|wen: cool!
[13:23] <a|wen> mdeslaur: makes sense ... this time around it is upstream svn revisions, so they should be easy to locate
[13:26] <a|wen> ScottK: i've found the wiki page about it ... but it doesn't mention anything about statuses
[13:26] <mdeslaur> a|wen: did you see my comment about the odd line in the hardy mediawiki debdiff?
[13:26] <ScottK> a|wen: I think they have to be In Progress to show up on their filter, but mdeslaur would know better.
[13:27] <mdeslaur> yes, our script pulls bugs that have "In Progress" and a patch attached
[13:27] <mdeslaur> you also need to check "This attachment is a patch" when you attach a debdiff
[13:27] <ScottK> a|wen: If you've got a wiki page that doesn't say that, please edit.
[13:27] <a|wen> mdeslaur: ahh, thanks! that was the info i needed
[13:27] <mdeslaur> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures
[13:28] <mdeslaur> step 7 of "Preparing an update"
[13:29] <a|wen> got it... some other places were referencing the standard sponsorship procedures, and that is somewhat different
[13:31] <a|wen> mdeslaur: just looked at your comment to the patch... it should be good enough
[13:31] <mdeslaur> a|wen: ok, I'll push it out as-is then
[13:32] <mdeslaur> thanks for looking :)
[13:32] <a|wen> mdeslaur: i need to add to the end of the file, but as it doesn't have a newline the diff needs to contain a removal of the last line and a re-insert
[13:32] <a|wen> agreed, it does make things look kind of strange :)
[13:33] <mdeslaur> oh! that line is diff-generated?
[13:34] <mdeslaur> Curiously, I've never seen that before :)
[13:34] <a|wen> mdeslaur: exactly, the "\no newline" is diff-generated
[13:35]  * mdeslaur learns something new today :)
[13:35]  * a|wen did that as well :)
[14:45] <a|wen> mdeslaur: do you want to include the two other security fixes in the squirrelmail dapper ... or is it so far in the process, that is should wait till it is done and then make a new update?
[16:21] <directhex> motu-release, i choose you!
[17:13] <Turl> hi, can you guide me on patching with cdbs?
[17:17] <jpds> Turl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems#CDBS%20with%20Simple%20Patchsys
[17:17] <Turl> thanks jpds
[17:18] <jpds> Turl: Life is a lot easier with simple-patchsys.
[17:53] <Turl> I'm having a problem with sbuild
[17:53] <Turl> it doesn't build my package because it says 'amd64' is not in 'all'. but all means all!
[17:54] <slytherin> need some help from licensing experts. the luatex package does not contain a 'COPYING' file. Instead COPYING is a symlink and the target does not exist. What should I do about it?
[17:55] <slytherin> Turl: can you paste your debian/control file in pastebin?
[17:56] <Turl> slytherin: it's untouched from the original package in the repos, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/109742/
[17:57] <slytherin> Turl: looks fine to me. it's weird that you are getting that error.
[17:57] <slytherin> Turl: I am not much familiar with sbuild, so can't help much. :-(
[17:57] <Turl> slytherin: postr_0.12.3-1ubuntu2.dsc: amd64 not in arch list: all -- skipping
[17:57] <Turl> np
[17:57] <Turl> I'll see if PPAs build it
[17:58] <slytherin> Turl: have you tried with pbuilder?
[17:58] <Turl> nope slytherin
[17:58] <sistpoty|work> slytherin: as luatex is (mainly) GPL, repack the orig.tar.gz and add a copy of the GPL (and inform upstream, seems to have been a mistake)
[17:59] <slytherin> sistpoty|work: that looks like a lot of work to me as of now. I was just trying to rebuild it against latest libpoppler.
[18:00] <sistpoty|work> slytherin: then you shouldn't have asked what you should do about it :P
[18:01] <slytherin> sistpoty|work: I was expecting something like "file a bug in debian". :-D
[18:03] <slytherin> sistpoty|work: by the way, the debian/copyright is a bit complicated. So it doesn't look like it is mostly GPL.
[18:07] <Turl> any motu in here?
[18:09] <slytherin> Turl: quite a few
[18:10] <sistpoty|work> slytherin: but the missing link seems to be the GPL, as (from a quick glimpse) only the GPL is missing in the tarball
[18:11] <sistpoty|work> slytherin: e.g. LGPL is in some subdirectory
[18:11] <slytherin> sistpoty|work: I will take a look after I finish working on other packages.
[19:18] <ScottK> The joys of upgrading.
[19:18] <ScottK> I upgraded my test server to Jaunty today and mail didn't work.
[19:18] <ScottK> It turns out that a Python module update I did a month ago I forgot to upload.
[19:21] <hyperair> lol
[19:23] <ScottK> Fortunately it didn't take me long to find an archive admin to accept it.
[19:24] <hyperair> how nice
[19:25] <ScottK> Normally one doesn't approve their own uploads, but since Universe stuff isn't be scrutinized, just waved through it was easy.
[19:27] <directhex> oh. erm... looks like the security team need to work on sun-java
[19:27] <hyperair> what's wrong with it?
[19:27] <kees> debdiffs welcome.  :)
[19:28] <directhex> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-66-254571-1
[19:28] <directhex> Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities in the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) with Processing Image Files and Fonts may Allow Privileges to be Escalated
[19:28] <slytherin> hggdh: do you plan to package Anjal for intrepid as well?
[19:28] <directhex> just got a critical mail from the university security team about it
[19:28] <kees> directhex: switch to openjdk-6 instead?
[19:28] <kees> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6
[19:29] <directhex> kees, well, yes, but the packages in the archive as-is are vulnerable
[19:29] <kees> not openjdk-6.
[19:29] <directhex> kees, true
[19:29] <kees> (but yeah, sun-java needs an update)
[19:29] <directhex> poor doko
[19:30] <jdstrand> sun-java is multiverse, community supplied debdiffs are most welcome
[19:30] <hggdh> slytherin, I am not sure yet
[19:30] <directhex> i'm not a java packager, and it doesn't affect me. i was just mentioning it. let me check if there's an open bug
[19:30] <slytherin> jdstrand: how is anyone supposed to provide debdiff for binary only packages?
[19:31] <hggdh> slytherin, srag and I are considering it, but we will need to rebase the Evo/EDS patches to Evo/EDS 2.24
[19:31] <directhex> nope. i'll file a bug. it's a start
[19:31] <slytherin> hggdh: Ok. May be I can provide packages in my PPA.
[19:32] <hggdh> slytherin, or, perhaps, we could ask for an "anjal" PPA -- it would make things easier, all in one place
[19:33]  * hggdh is not sure how to proceed on having a team PPA
[19:33] <jdstrand> slytherin: one needs a relationship with sun IIRC. it's their licensing that keeps it from being officially supported, which is why kees recommended openjdk
[19:33] <slytherin> hggdh: or since it is targeted at small screens, ask mobile-team to provide the packages in their PPA.
[19:33] <hggdh> slytherin, indeed
[19:34] <directhex> okay, Bug #349135 filed
[19:34] <directhex> relevant people can determine which releases need fixing
[19:34] <kees> directhex: please "public" it :)
[19:34] <slytherin> jdstrand: I know. My question was reply to your quote "community supplied debdifs are welcome". It is not possible to patch sun-java packages.
[19:34] <jdstrand> if a community member were so inclined to provide updated packages (version bump and all), they could be uploaded and reviewed
[19:35] <jdstrand> slytherin: s/debdiffs/updated packages/
[19:35] <slytherin> directhex: only java 6 packages are affected.
[19:35] <slytherin> :-)
[19:35] <slytherin> no, wait. I misread. even java5 is affected.
[19:35] <directhex> yeah
[19:36] <directhex> slytherin, i should re-file against sun-java5
[19:36] <directhex> there
[19:36] <slytherin> directhex: yup, a separate bug is better.
[19:38] <directhex> oh, is it? bugger :(
[19:38] <directhex> i made the bug multi-package
[19:39] <slytherin> directhex: I was talking from tracking point of view. And also java5 is affected by only one issue. java6 is affected by both.
[19:40] <directhex> bah, i suck
[20:04] <slytherin> can anyone please confirm bug 349146?
[20:07] <hggdh> slytherin, I am sending an email to the mobile team asking about using their PPA
[20:08] <slytherin> hggdh: you will have to be team member
[20:08] <hggdh> slytherin, yes, I understand that. I hope, at least, you are... but I am asking anyway. At least I tried ;-)
[20:09] <hggdh> I personally doubt I would be accepted, since I have no track record on mobile thingies
[20:10] <slytherin> hggdh: i am not a team member
[20:12] <slytherin> hggdh: you can try asking in #ubuntu-mobile
[20:12] <hggdh> slytherin, heh. This may make it a bit more difficult
[20:12] <hggdh> and yes, good idea. Getting there now
[20:15] <c_korn> slytherin: the icon for logout is different than the one for shutdown
[20:15] <slytherin> c_korn: are you using human icon theme?
[20:16] <c_korn> slytherin: yes, but I use an updated fusa
[20:16] <c_korn> slytherin: https://launchpad.net/~getdeb.packages/+archive/ppa
[20:17] <c_korn> this one is proposed for jaunty
[20:17] <slytherin> c_korn: it is not just fusa, if you remove it from panel, the logout option in the system menu also has icon that looks like shutdown.
[20:18] <c_korn> slytherin: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/11599/screenshot_001_pyR6I0.png
[20:18] <c_korn> shutdown has a different icon
[20:18] <c_korn> but it is still confusing, you are right
[20:19] <slytherin> that is why I said the icon is 'similar' to shutdown icon. :-)
[20:19] <c_korn> slytherin: is this a human-icon-theme bug or fusa bug?
[20:20] <slytherin> c_korn: human-icon-theme. because the icon itself is wrong in the theme. so if a user is not using fusa, he will have problem even in system menu.
[20:20] <c_korn> ok
[20:22] <c_korn> slytherin: confirmed
[20:22] <slytherin> c_korn: thanks
[20:51] <datag> in a few days i'm releasing a Qt4 based game. altough i'm trying to provide a linux-generic package (including libs) i would like to provide an ubuntu package as well. i'm uncertain if i should build a package on my own or if a package maintainer could have a look at it. some advice?
[20:54] <directhex> datag, you'd need to get enough interest out of a packager if you expect them to do the work for you
[20:55] <datag> directhex: i guessed that :) which is the right way to do this? ask here in irc or should i create kinda ticket (tracker) for package-request?
[20:58] <slytherin> datag: at this point a new package will not enter ubuntu. So it will be hard to convince people here to work on the package. You can try building the package on your own and add it to your PPA if you have launchpad account.
[20:59] <slytherin> datag: what would be even better is package it for Debian and get someone sponsor it. Ubuntu syncs all the packages in Debian at the start of new development cycle.
[21:00] <datag> slytherin: ah, thank you for that advice. i think i'll first try to build a deb package on my own and provide it to a debian maintainer
[21:03] <datag> another thing, might be a bit offtopic: building generic binary packages is a hell. i've tried to use ubuntu as a base copying shared libs into my archive. i guess this isn't a good idea? ;)  (a better method might be to build stripped dependencies (libs) on my own and provide these)
[21:08] <slytherin> datag: what do you mean by generic binary package?
[21:09] <datag> slytherin: a package which does not depend on a specific distribution by providing most needed shared libs (sdl, qt4) and running the app with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=my_libs
[21:10] <slytherin> datag: then why not provide a statically compiled binary?
[21:11] <datag> slytherin: yep, that's another way i'm currently thinking of... maybe this would be the best solution.
[21:17] <datag> slytherin: thank you so far. hope i get my Cmake-hell working with static linking qt4 and sdl.. oh, he is gone
[21:27] <directhex> be very careful about licensing when using static compilation tho
[21:28] <datag> directhex: my app is open source (GPLv3) and libSDL and Qt4 do not have any restrictions for this case AFAIK
[21:28] <datag> i hope so
[21:28] <maco> qt4 which version?
[21:28] <datag> 4.5
[21:29] <datag> was there a change in policy recently?
[21:29] <maco> 4.5 is LGPL
[21:29] <maco> up to 4.4 was GPL or commercial only
[21:30] <datag> maco: anyhow, if i provide the sources it doesn't really matter, doesn't it?
[21:30] <maco> dont think so
[21:30] <maco> no idea on libsdl's licensing
[21:30] <directhex> if sdl is 2-only, you have an issue
[21:30] <maco> exactly
[21:31] <datag> oh dear
[21:31] <directhex> 2-only is not compatible with 3+
[21:31] <directhex> 2+ is
[21:32] <datag> SDL is distributed under GNU LGPL version 2
[21:33] <datag> so my option of statically linking is gone :/
[21:34] <directhex> LGPL2 or 2.1?
[21:34] <directhex> and 2 or 2+?
[21:35] <directhex> "The Simple DirectMedia Layer library is currently available under the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL)  version 2.1 or newer. "
[21:35] <directhex> that's okay then
[21:36] <datag> directhex: god bless :) thanks
[21:36] <directhex> you have the option when using l2.1+ to license the whole thing as 2+
[21:37] <directhex> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#GPL_Compatibility_Matrix is a reasonable matrix
[21:38] <datag> good resource
[22:05] <RainCT> btw, I'll be away next week (going to Italy :))
[22:09] <directhex> but italy's full of italians :'(
[22:09] <directhex> oh, hi hanska!
[22:16] <RainCT> directhex: yeah...
[22:17] <RainCT> people like norsetto :/
[22:17] <RainCT> bah, he isn't online :P
[22:17] <directhex> i know :(
[22:20] <dtchen> directhex: rsync instead of scp
[22:20] <directhex> dtchen, ECHAN
[22:21] <dtchen> directhex: intentionally ECHAN. it's not Ubuntu development-related.
[22:21] <dtchen> as in: my recommendation is not Ubuntu development-related.
[22:22] <directhex> bug confirmed, btw
[22:25] <directhex> damn, i'm unoriginal. already filed as Bug #218741
[22:31] <ripps> Can someone lead me to some resources on how to make virtual packages.
[22:33] <dtchen> meaning equivs or real virtuals?
[22:34] <ripps> dtchen: Not sure, I'm trying to create a package that will pull in a bunch of plugins automatically.
[22:35] <azeem> ripps: that's not virtual
[22:35] <azeem> that's meta
[22:35] <cjwatson> ripps: your problem may be that you're searching for a term that means something else in our world. The term we use for what you want is "metapackages"
[22:35] <ripps> azeem, cjwatson: thanks, that might be my problem
[22:36] <azeem> ripps: usually, you would just add that binary package to debian/control of the source package building all thos plugins
[22:37] <ripps> azeem: I have a package that builds ~20 seperate packages. I like it like this, but I also want a metapackage to pull them all in simultaneously
[22:38] <azeem> see my above line then
[22:44] <ripps> azeem: Do I have to manually add all the binary packages to it's Depends line, or can I just leave it blank?
[22:54] <azeem> ripps: if you want a package which depends on those plugins (i.e. a meta-package), you will have to add those plugins, yes
[22:54] <azeem> ...to the Depends


[10:00] <Oni_Shadow> G'day, I am runnig ubuntu-devel since it's availibilyty and have a quite nasty package dependency I do not know how to solve... my unity8 session was uninstalled by last upgrade whilst I did not pay attention and now, everything qt related cannot be installer because of unmet dependency. However, my package system is not broken so I am not sure where to start ...
[11:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:48] <ikonia> Oni_Shadow: look at what packages it depends on
[11:48] <ikonia> do those packages exist ?
[12:23] <Oni_Shadow> @ikonica for instance
[12:23] <Oni_Shadow> qtbase-abi-5-5-1
[12:29] <Oni_Shadow> that is a a virtual package provided by:   libqt5core5a 5.5.1+dfsg-17ubuntu2~2 [Not candidate version]