[12:01] <zip_> so.. any ideas for "/dev/sequencer: File not found" error?
[12:03] <yuacht> zip_, no sequencer plugged it?
[12:03] <yuacht> in*
[12:04] <mwe> zip_, I get the /dev/sequencer no such device when I run frozen-bubble. it works anyway though
[12:05] <shamus> hey, i'm having problems with my ubuntu install. it installed and had me reboot but now it's saying xserver isnt configured
[12:05] <shamus> and i don't know what to do
[12:05] <tina_> someone knows how can i configure my ubuntu to play dvd?
[12:05] <shamus> also, it didn't have me setup a root acount, what is the default login?
[12:05] <nalioths_dog> tina_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:06] <tina_> i have alreadfy donwload the xine player but it gives me some errors
[12:06] <mwe> shamus, use sudo
[12:06] <tina_> ok
[12:06] <mwe> shamus, if you want a root password sudo passwd root
[12:07] <topyli> hrm. live 8 webcast no worky :(
[12:07] <shamus> so login is sudo password is root?
[12:07] <zip_> mwe: indeed, but then i get a segmentation fault and SDL parachute
[12:07] <mwe> shamus, login is your user login
[12:07] <mayco> somebody has an idea why libwnck hasn't entered the repository's yet, however the compile was succesfull and later packages are already added?
[12:07] <shamus> and pass is sudo?
[12:07] <shamus> and then i'll have root?
[12:07] <mwe> shamus, no
[12:08] <shamus> oh
[12:08] <shamus> it's root
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> shamus: sudo is a command
[12:08] <mwe> shamus, you made a user account during install, right
[12:08] <shamus> correct
[12:08] <nalioths_dog> shamus: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> shamus: you put sudo before another command to give root permissions to a command
[12:08] <dabi> where can i manually edit the list of programs what starts with gnome? not with gnome-session-properities
[12:08] <topyli> what the hell is aol using for their webcasting?
[12:08] <shamus> thanks guys
[12:08] <mwe> shamus, login as that user and use the sudo command
[12:09] <mwe> shamus, sudo passwd root to create a root password
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> dabi: you mean not using system -> prefs -> sessions ?
[12:09] <shamus> and to configure xserver, a friend said that, apt-get install gdm then rc-update add gdm default should fix it
[12:09] <shamus> will that work?
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> shamus: on ubuntu, xorg and gdm should already be installed by default
[12:10] <dabi> tiglionabbit: yes but manually... ive got a script there what logs out... (my friend had fun with it......)
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> dabi: o
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> =p
[12:10] <Nova-A001> Is it possible to create shortcuts to folders on the desktop?
[12:10] <dabi> tiglionabbit: i mean edit the list manually
[12:10] <rcec52> I've got Gnome 64 bit on my other system but also want to put KDE 64 bit  on the same system. . . .Seems that in order to get KDE to work properly I've got to install Gnome first then get KDE installed
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: yes
[12:10] <nalioth> Nova-A001: yes
[12:10] <Nova-A001> Pray tell?
[12:11] <shamus> tiglionabbit: what do i need to do to configure xserver then?
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: right-click on a folder, and click on "make link"
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: then drag it where you want it
[12:11] <dabi> tiglionabbit: anyway or am i doomed..? :P
[12:11] <Nova-A001> tis grayed out.
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> dabi: no, you just ned someone with more knowledge
[12:11] <Nova-A001> its in /mnt
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: you probably shouldn't link to things that are mounted but not in fstab.  Is it in fstab?
[12:11] <Nova-A001> Yep.
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: also, that is a quirk of gnome...  you can create a symlink though
[12:12] <Nova-A001> Automounted at startup.
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> is it ntfs?
[12:12] <dabi> tiglionabbit: emn.. how can you know my knowledge? :P eh just kidding... doesnt it save it on any file?
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> dabi: you should probably look in /etc/X11
[12:12] <flugh_> ever brainfart and type 'pseudo' instead of 'sudo'?
[12:12] <Nova-A001> Yes, readonly. Also a fat32 partiton as vfat readwrite.
[12:12] <rcec52> KDE has a bug that causes the wifi settings and network setting to lock up and not allow the user to enter the administrator password to set up the settings properly. . . thus you've got install Gnome and then download and install KDE using Synatpit.
[12:12] <dabi> tiglionabbit: "scanned out" not there..
[12:12] <_SWAT_> my Ubuntu doesn't recognize my primary IDE device on my secondary IDE channel (Pioneer DVD writer). Anyone got any ideas? (somehow disabling DMA worked, partially). Anyone got a 'permanent' solution? (I'm not the only one with this problem)
[12:12] <FR500> hello
[12:13] <FR500> how can i mount a dvd iso?
[12:13] <_SWAT_> FR500, mount -o loop -t iso9660,udf /dvdisoplace /mountplace
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: well that's why you can't make a link from the gui-- because it has nowhere to write it to.  To make a symlink from terminal, open up a terminal and type `ln -s thefileyourelinkingto linknameyourecreating
[12:13] <FR500> thank yo
[12:14] <rcec52> Are there any special kernel modules written that will support Creative Blaster Live sound cards?
[12:14] <_SWAT_> rcec52, why do you want to know?
[12:14] <rcec52> I've got one. . . .
[12:14] <_SWAT_> So ?
[12:14] <iris_> whoo, first message from a freshly installed ubuntu on a g3 mac!  I've got sound :P
[12:14] <Strife> rcec52: emu10k1
[12:14] <rcec52> Thankyou. ... .
[12:15] <nalioth> iris_: welcome
[12:15] <rcec52> How do I go about geting and installing emu10k1?
[12:15] <_SWAT_> you'll have to compile ALSA yourself, I did it, and got perfect sound :D
[12:15] <marcelcole> hello
[12:16] <marcelcole> what are some alternatives to GNOME and KDE?
[12:16] <rcec52> So you have to install all of the Alsa software using synaptic?
[12:16] <Nova-A001> tiglionabbit: I want to link partiton, Knoppix style, not a sinle file.
[12:16] <_randabis> xfce
[12:16] <_randabis> blackbox
[12:16] <nalioth> marcelcole: xfce4, fluxbox, enlightenment, and on and on
[12:16] <_randabis> fluxbox
[12:16] <_randabis> e17 lolz
[12:16] <mwe> ubuntu doesn't already have the emu10k1 module?
[12:16] <_randabis> mwe it does
[12:16] <_SWAT_> rcec52, no COMPILE it yourself (it's somewhere on the fora)
[12:16] <mwe> I thought so
[12:17] <sham> sorry about that, still haven't found a stable channel
[12:17] <marcelcole> What is the best one to use? (I'm looking for simple, like.. program button then open tasks then tray and time)
[12:17] <_randabis> hmm
[12:17] <rcec52> Thanks. . ..
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: link to partition?  Well, you can make a link to the directory where it's mounted.  Also, I'm sure there is a way you can configure nautilus to show your volumes on desktop or under computer.  Google around and check the forums.  Konqueror does it
[12:18] <marcelcole> What is the best one to use? (I'm looking for simple, like.. program button then open tasks then tray and time)
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: what are you talking about?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> oh, window managers
[12:18] <randabis> marcelcole: depends on your preferences
[12:18] <marcelcole> Yeah
[12:18] <randabis> you need to try them all and see what you like the best
[12:18] <jtan325> try xfce4, fluxbox, icewm
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: well, xfce4 and fluxbox are quite light
[12:18] <jtan325> those are the typical alternatives to gnome/kde
[12:19] <cmatheson> does anyone in here use xawtv?
[12:19] <omniscient> marcelcole, fluxbox is nice
[12:19] <jtan325> fluxbox is probably the most bare-bones but highly customizable of them
[12:19] <marcelcole> I think I might just switch to KDE from GNOME
[12:19] <randabis> I stick with kde for the moment
[12:19] <asimismo> I like XFCE. And I just got here...
[12:19] <omniscient> marcelcole, you dont have a button for apps but you have a right click menu
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: kde takes more resources but looks better
[12:19] <marcelcole> yeah
[12:19] <Nova-A001> screw this, im just gonna switch to kubuntu.
[12:19] <marcelcole> I've got the resources to spare
[12:19] <Nova-A001> thanks anyway...
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: you don't have to "switch"
[12:20] <randabis> heh I find gnome to use more resources nowadays
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: you can just install "kubuntu-desktop" and have them both
[12:20] <marcelcole> :D
[12:20] <Michel> Nova-A001, you just have to discover what to install :)
[12:20] <marcelcole> apt-get is godly
[12:20] <randabis> my old laptop runs much snappier with kde than it does with gnome hehe
[12:20] <marcelcole> Is the Dell Inspiron 5160 laptop wirelss network card suppored on ubuntu?
[12:21] <cmatheson> marcelcole:  i like openboxa lot
[12:21] <misfit_toy> randabis, that's because kde is for 'old' systems, heheh
[12:21] <randabis> marcelcole: depends on the chipset probably
[12:21] <Nova-A001> Ubuntu is the easiest Linux distro, and yet im fiddling around with scripts and terminals. I feel sorry for all the AOL'ers that try to switch.
[12:21] <randabis> misfit_toy: pfft
[12:22] <randabis> Nova-A001: linux is linux, get used to it
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: well no linux is simple enough for people who've never touched it, unless you don't want to change anything
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: just bear with it.  It'll make you smart eventually
[12:22] <asimismo> Grub question, ya'll. Getting an Error 17 on boot. Trying te set up raid1 and evms. I think I've about got it if I could just boot...
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> asimismo: error 17: cannot find volumes
[12:22] <jtan325> so what's the equivalent of defragmenting in linux?
[12:22] <jtan325> what programs?
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: I think it's fsck
[12:23] <misfit_toy> randabis, lol, it was a joke, that kde vs gnome thing just leaves me cold! however I do prefer gnome, simplicity in its finest.
[12:23] <asimismo> tiglionabbit: Yeah, seen that. But not really sure what to do next. Raid1 and evms confuse things a bit as far as Googling for help.
[12:23] <Nova-A001> heh...thanks anyway. *wanders off*
[12:24] <randabis> misfit_toy: touche, but I don't really see what's so unsimplistic about kde
[12:24] <nalioth> jtan325: linux doesnt have fragmenting as you know it
[12:24] <nalioth> jtan325: linux fs don't slop data around like MS does
[12:25] <mwe> of course linux has fragmentation too
[12:25] <jtan325> nalioth: ahh yes
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> asimismo: heh, well I've never used more than just some simple ext3 partitioning, so I wouldn't know.  sorry.  You could post a detailed question to ubuntuforums.org though
[12:25] <jtan325> no, if you're using ext3.... doesn't jfs mean no fragmentation?
[12:25] <marcelcole> All I need is kubuntu-desktop for using KDE?
[12:26] <nalioth> mwe: i didnt say linux was 'fragment-free' i said that it doesn't have frags like MS has frags
[12:26] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: yes
[12:26] <asimismo> tiglionabbit. Might do that. Thot maybe someone would have a coupla trouble-shooting steps. I suspect it's an easy fix...
[12:26] <asimismo> I just don't know Linux booting that well.
[12:27] <marcelcole> It asks for my f'in ubuntu cd!
[12:27] <marcelcole> which I don't have
[12:27] <marcelcole> How do I get around that?
[12:27] <nalioth> marcelcole: edit it out of your sources.list
[12:27] <eric__> how do i install libdvdcss?
[12:27] <marcelcole> k
[12:27] <nalioth> marcelcole: or rather, comment it out
[12:28] <nalioths_dog> eric__: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:28] <eric__> will do
[12:28] <randabis> eric__: it's in backports I believe
[12:29] <marcelcole> whats the command again to fix broken packages?
[12:30] <shamus> can someone help me configure x server? I have no idea what i'm doing
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> shamus: `dpkg-reconfigure xorg`  ?
[12:30] <concept10> anyone familiar with editing gnome themes?  is there some xml editor made for that?
[12:31] <shamus> i'll have to reboot and go try it, its installed on this machine
[12:31] <shamus> thanks
[12:31] <nalioth> shamus wait
[12:31] <misfit_toy> concept10, I now have 4 ubuntu boxen here, FC is gone, oops.
[12:31] <shamus> 'kay
[12:31] <concept10> misfit_toy, lol
[12:31] <nalioth> shamus its "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:31] <concept10> misfit_toy, you are a wild man
[12:32] <nalioth> misfit_toy: rulez!
[12:32] <misfit_toy> concept10, isn't there some editing stuff at art.gnome.org?
[12:32] <marcelcole> whats the command to repair broken packages?
[12:32] <concept10> misfit_toy,  im looking
[12:32] <marcelcole> ok
[12:32] <misfit_toy> concept10, I guess maybe I am, ubuntu is loading on my daughter's compaq laptop right now.
[12:32] <nalioth> marcelcole: from a terminal "sudo apt-get -f install" with no pkgs specified
[12:32] <misfit_toy> ok, gotta go cook some steaks and potatoes and asparagus...mmmm
[12:32] <misfit_toy> bbl
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: apt-get --fix-broken ?
[12:33] <marcelcole> thx
[12:33] <concept10> misfit_toy, did you not like fc4?
[12:34] <marcelcole> damn
[12:34] <marcelcole> I try to sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop and it won't work
[12:35] <nalioth> marcelcole: what does it tell you?
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:35] <marcelcole> unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop: Depends: konversation but is not going to be installed
[12:35] <marcelcole> E: Broken packages
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: oh.  Well, add some sources
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> hey dudes
[12:36] <nalioth> marcelcole: what does your sources.list look like? use pastebin.com
[12:36] <marcelcole> ok
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> a friend of mine has a binary that is compiled "for red hat 9".  Do you think it will run on Fedora?  or Ubuntu even?  Just curious
[12:37] <marcelcole> where is sources.list lol
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: /etc/apt/sources.list   uh, learn to use the locate command
[12:37] <concept10> tiglionabbit, try to find a new binary, it may not work because of that, you can try alien
[12:37] <mwe> tiglionabbit, if it's compiled for you arch and doesn't have weird deps
[12:37] <gm78> tiglionabbit, depends on whether it was statically compiled or not, and on a lot of other factors....if it specifically lists red hat 9, then it probably wont work
[12:37] <KillerSmurf> does anyone know of an open source alteritive to Finale (music composing program)
[12:38] <concept10> tiglionabbit, what is it?
[12:38] <concept10> KillerSmurf, you want a sequencer?
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> what it is is a PSP development tool, and I believe it's compiled for security reasons, not open source
[12:39] <gm78> http://members.shaw.ca/ryan_mcgregor/screenshot.png    Hey everyone, should this be scaring me? I have the side off my computer right now and nothing looks funny
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> just trying to save a friend an install of red hat 9 where it might not be necessary...  heh
[12:39] <marcelcole> heres my sources.list
[12:39] <marcelcole> http://pastebin.com/306614
[12:39] <gm78> tiglionabbit, well what program is it?
[12:39] <jtan325> has anyone gotten captive-ntfs to work in ubuntu?
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> gm78: something from sony for developing for the PSP
[12:39] <gm78> tiglionabbit, if it is open source you can most likely get the source code off the net or a package for ubuntu
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> it isn't open source
[12:40] <gm78> tiglionabbit, and they dont offer it on rhel, fedora, suse or anything like that? just red hat 9?
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> gm78: according to my friend who works for sony, yes
[12:41] <nalioth> marcelcole: try using apt to just install konversation
[12:41] <gm78> As far as I can tell all my fans seem to be running, and the temps are never going above 46 degrees, they normally stay around 42, but it says that fan isnt spinning. i have my computer open and i cant see a fan not spinning
[12:41] <concept10> tiglionabbit, use alien
[12:42] <tiglionabbit> you can use that on binaries?  not just rpms?
[12:42] <gm78> http://members.shaw.ca/ryan_mcgregor/Screenshot.png  Sorry all, this is a correct link
[12:42] <marcelcole> it said this when I tried to apt-get konversation
[12:42] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: if its a binary, it should work here
[12:42] <marcelcole> http://pastebin.com/306615
[12:43] <concept10> tiglionabbit, you have many options, you can make a rpm convert with alien, make a deb, try the binary, recompile on your system, etc
[12:43] <nalioth> marcelcole: comment out your backports lines, then update your apt
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> concept10: I said it wasn't open source, and not available as an rpm
[12:44] <concept10> tiglionabbit, you can turn a binary to a rpm, open source or not, but just try and run it
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> grr, I'm trying to convince my friend to give it to me, but he says he'd be fired if he distributed it
[12:44] <marcelcole> It worked
[12:44] <marcelcole> thanks a billion :)
[12:45] <marcelcole> How do I switch to kubuntu after I get it?
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: at gdm, click on sessions
[12:45] <concept10> I wouldnt distribute proprietary development tools either
[12:45] <marcelcole> ah
[12:45] <marcelcole> okay
[12:45] <marcelcole> :)
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: you can run both at the same time if you want.  Go to applications -> system tools -> new login.  Then you can switch between em with control-alt-F7 and F8
[12:46] <marcelcole> :o
[12:46] <marcelcole> tight
[12:46] <marcelcole> >:)
[12:46] <marcelcole> Is cedega free?
[12:47] <marcelcole> What are the chances of my USB External Typhoon Modem working with linux?
[12:47] <iris_> Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PR/PRO AGP 4x TMDS: does this one have 3d acceleration in xorg?
[12:48] <iris_> marcelcole, you can get cedega via cvs
[12:49] <iris_> but it doesnt feature 3rd party licenced stuff like some copy protection support then
[12:49] <marcelcole> how do I get it from CVS?
[12:50] <iris_> there are howtos everywhere
[12:50] <iris_> just do a cvs checkout
[12:50] <iris_> compile & install
[12:50] <asimismo> I run 'find /boot/grub/stage1' in grub and get a File not found. Any help on what to do about it?
[12:50] <marcelcole> ok
[12:50] <chonny69> i'm trying to install logitech quickcam
[12:50] <iris_> i only know of a german howto on holarse.de.. if you speak german, check it out.. if not you may get the idea by reading the console commandos
[12:51] <iris_> used in the howto
[12:51] <chonny69> i went to the forum and followed instructions
[12:51] <marcelcole> I have a NVidia Geforce FX Go5200, how do I edit its settings for tv output and such?
[12:51] <chonny69> but when i do $ sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.10, i get E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[12:51] <iris_> marcelcole, i think there is something in nvidia-settings
[12:52] <iris_> install nvidia-settings via apt and run it.. also read the documentation in /usr/doc/ on howto use nvidia-settings
[12:55] <MantasV> hi again. Can anyone explain, how I can modify cuch folders like lib or etc ?
[12:56] <mwe> MantasV, could you elaborate?
[12:56] <MantasV> I'm trying to manually install my winmodem :|
[12:56] <MantasV> elaborate?
[12:56] <iris_> MantasV, what has this to do with lib/ & etc/?
[12:56] <MantasV> to move some files in these folders
[12:57] <mwe> MantasV, you want to modify cuch folders like lib and etc. I don
[12:57] <mwe> I don't get it
[12:57] <iris_> MantasV, you know sudo?
[12:57] <Heimdall> is Amule good ?
[12:57] <MantasV> yes
[12:57] <iris_> Heimdall, amule looks old, but does everything you want from an edonkey client
[12:57] <glDaher> hi, I can't find /etc/init.d/smb
[12:58] <glDaher> I should do .../smb restart
[12:58] <MantasV> hmm
[12:58] <MantasV> so what should i write?
[12:58] <iris_> Heimdall, the newest amule version is in ubuntu backports
[12:58] <iris_> MantasV, learn hoto use sudo
[12:58] <Heimdall> iris_, what is famous now to p2p downloads
[12:59] <MantasV> ok, I'll try :)
[12:59] <iris_> "gksudo nautilus" will start nautilus with root priviliges, then you can modify files in /etc
[12:59] <chonny69> Heimdall, sorry for overhearing, but you should totally go on Kazaa and download as many metallica songs as you can
[12:59] <iris_> Heimdall, you mean good p2p software on linux?
[01:00] <chonny69> you'll get a surprise from a nice organization called the RIAA if you live in the states
[01:00] <iris_> MantasV, xchat
[01:00] <Heimdall> iris_, yes and also fast known servers
[01:00] <glDaher> oh samba not installed, sry ppl ... but strange thing is... samba-common was installed ... is this correct?
[01:00] <Heimdall> iris_, I heard that edonkey servers were slow now....
[01:00] <Heimdall> iris_, too many people
[01:00] <iris_> there are a lot out there
[01:00] <iris_> find a smaller one with less server load
[01:01] <Heimdall> iris_, do you know bittorrent ?
[01:01] <iris_> i doesnt matter what you hear.. just try amule.. if it does what you need take it, else leave it
[01:01] <iris_> bittorrent, sure :D
[01:01] <calc> anyone know if wpa works with ipw2200 yet?
[01:01] <iris_> ubuntu comes with gnome-bittorrent
[01:01] <Heimdall> iris_, is this good ?
[01:01] <kyncani> Does anyone have reports of palm tungsten e2 working/not working with ubuntu ?
[01:01] <iris_> yes
[01:02] <iris_> it rocks
[01:02] <synd> what all options do i have with my Palm and ubuntu?
[01:02] <Heimdall> lol
[01:02] <Heimdall> iris_, is GnomeBitTorrent a client for it ?
[01:02] <iris_> isohunt.com delivers nice search results
[01:02] <iris_> yes
[01:02] <iris_> just open a torrent file with it and it will work
[01:02] <mwe> calc, I'm sure you can find out on ipw2200.sf.net
[01:02] <Heimdall> azureus is good no ?
[01:02] <calc> mwe: ok
[01:03] <iris_> yes azureus is a more advanced program that gives you more info and control
[01:03] <iris_> it requires a jre though
[01:03] <synd> what all options do i have with my Palm and ubuntu?
[01:03] <Heimdall> iris_, yeah I have it already (jre)
[01:03] <calc> hmm wpasupplicant is packaged in universe, seems it might work :)
[01:04] <iris_> Heimdall, well get azureus gtk2 version then and have fun
[01:04] <calc> cool there is a wpa howto for ubuntu now :)
[01:04] <topyli> synd: gnome-pilot should sync it with evolution i guess. i don't have a palm though :)
[01:04] <iris_> synd, i know there are some programs out there for palm.. i dont have one
[01:05] <Heimdall> iris_,  : http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/azureus/Azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>_linux.GTK.tar.bz2?download this one ?
[01:05] <calc> still need to get ACPI S1 working though
[01:05] <iris_> yes.
[01:05] <Heimdall> okaaaay thx
[01:06] <zenlunatic> anyone use epiphany?
[01:06] <jtan325> does anyone know how to "build the kernel moduel" using module-assistant?
[01:08] <kyncani> jtan325: which module do you want to build ?
[01:09] <jtan325> uhh... is there such a thing as the "kernel module"?
[01:09] <jtan325> i just built the lufs module successfully using module-assistant
[01:10] <jtan325> essentially i am trying to run this command, "sudo /usr/share/lufs/prepmod"
[01:10] <jtan325> and it keeps compaining about "failed to prepare lufs.ko module.... /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build do not appear to be vlaid
[01:10] <jtan325> *valid
[01:11] <jtan325> any ideas?
[01:11] <truz24> How do i install j2eesdk-1_4_01?  Apparently the version @ sun.java.com uses a different version of libstdc++
[01:11] <JHK> jtan325: you try to install captive ntfs?
[01:11] <jtan325> JHK: yes that is what i'm trying to do
[01:13] <JHK> jtan325: if youll get it, please post it in the forum, i stranded there also
[01:13] <jtan325> ok
[01:13] <jtan325> i swear, i've installed every kernel header possible
[01:13] <jtan325> and linux header
[01:13] <jtan325> and everything
[01:13] <jtan325> kyncani: did i make any sense as to which module i want to build?
[01:14] <kyncani> jtan325: i don't know about captive ntfs, but if you want lufs, i think you just have to "module-assistant auto-install lufs"
[01:14] <kyncani> and then modprobe lufs
[01:14] <jtan325> kyncani: yeah, i did that
[01:15] <kyncani> jtan325: well, you do have the lufs kernel module working then, right ?
[01:15] <jtan325> i think so...
[01:15] <jtan325> how do i test that
[01:16] <X7C> blah
[01:16] <jtan325> i just did sudo /usr/share/lufs/prepmod lufs and that failed
[01:16] <X7C> :)
[01:16] <kyncani> jtan325: lsmod | grep lufs  will show you if the lufs kernel module is in kernel
[01:16] <kyncani> jtan325: you'll have to get some doc on the web to test some lufs mount
[01:17] <jtan325> oh man that didn't do anything, the lsmod | grep lufs
[01:17] <kyncani> jtan325: the auto-install thing went ok ? what "modprobe lufs" told you ?
[01:18] <jtan325> uh oh, that complains about a FATAL error
[01:19] <kyncani> jtan325: the auto-install thing or the modprobe thing ?
[01:19] <kyncani> what error ?
[01:19] <jtan325> modprobe
[01:19] <jtan325> "unknown symbol in module..."
[01:20] <hobbit> lo
[01:20] <jtan325> is this the wrong command to install lufs, "sudo module-assistant auto-install lufs"?
[01:20] <kyncani> the auto-install command is good
[01:20] <jtan325> i mean, the auto-install didn't seem to have errors or anything
[01:21] <jtan325> ok....
[01:21] <kyncani> yeah, some bug somewhere. Don't know, google for lufs "unknown symbol" and good luck :]
[01:23] <Michel> How do I run OpenOffice 2?
[01:23] <Ahab> should be in the 'applications' menu
[01:24] <Ahab> then again, that's not version 2
[01:25] <Ahab> i apologize for my cluelessness
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> Michel: you could install it from openoffice.org
[01:25] <Michel> I installed it from synaptic
[01:25] <Burgundavia> Michel, it is in the universe component, as openoffice2
[01:25] <Michel> It does appear in the menus
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> oh, listen to Burgundavia
[01:25] <Burgundavia> Michel, it should install into the menus
[01:25] <Ahab> cool, i'll have to pick it up via synaptic
[01:25] <truz24> How do i install j2eesdk-1_4_01?  Apparently the version @ sun.java.com uses a different version of libstdc++
[01:25] <gotonpo> gotonpo hi
[01:25] <Michel> but I was wondering why the command line one keeps calling the version 1.1
[01:26] <Burgundavia> Michel, because the binary for OO.o2 has a 2 in the name
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> Michel: say `which` before the command, to see which it refers to.  You can make an alias, use apropos to find the other command, uh
[01:26] <Burgundavia> Michel, to allow parallel installs
[01:26] <Michel> oh there's oocalc2 oowriter2 etc :)
[01:26] <Michel> Guess that works
[01:26] <glDaher> I have a problem setting samba... I have enabled the guest user  = nobody
[01:26] <jtan325> has anyone in this room gotten captive-ntfs working at all?
[01:27] <glDaher> but on the windows machine, I enter the username nobody
[01:27] <glDaher> but still doesn't go through
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> glDaher: I believe samba uses a different username list
[01:27] <Ahab> tried getting captive to work
[01:27] <Ahab> no dice
[01:28] <Ahab> tried forever
[01:28] <jtan325> yeah it's weird though
[01:28] <jtan325> i follow these instructions that other ubuntu users have posted
[01:28] <Ahab> yeah i know because it seems to work for the rest of the linux world
[01:28] <jtan325> and they just don't work
[01:28] <Ahab> yeah me too
[01:28] <TokenBad> whats a newsgroup program for ubuntu?
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: uh...  PINE!  =P
[01:29] <Ahab> did you try all that stuff posted by that badri dude on the forums?
[01:29] <TokenBad> haven't used it before
[01:29] <TokenBad> how use it?
[01:30] <jtan325> Ahab: link?
[01:30] <jtan325> Ahab: probably did, though ;-)
[01:30] <Ahab> hang on, let me dig it up
[01:30] <gotonpo> why does bitchx tell me i have 5 pieces of mail!
[01:30] <Ahab> didn't work for me though
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: I'm sure you could use any email client for newsgroups.  I'm not very familiar with newsgroups though.  I just said pine because it's an old commandline email client with newsgroup support.  One which you proabbly wouldn't like
[01:30] <glDaher> tiglionabbit: thx, just checked my smb.conf and nothing I can find there...
[01:30] <gotonpo> i mean 4 pieces!
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> gotonpo : becuase you do have 5 pieces of mail
[01:30] <nalioth> TokenBad: use pan for newsgroups
[01:30] <gotonpo> how do i check them!
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> gotonpo: say 'mail'
[01:30] <gotonpo> mail
[01:30] <gotonpo> :(
[01:31] <Seveas> TokenBad, pan is good for newsgroups
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> !mail
[01:31] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: I give up, what is it?
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> i think, type mail
[01:31] <gotonpo> i don't see any mail commands at all
[01:31] <gotonpo> !mail
[01:31] <Ahab> jitan325: on the forums he
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> just type mail
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> gotonpo: type it in a terminal
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> in a terminal
[01:32] <Ahab> on the forumss he's badriram
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> not in bithx
[01:32] <gotonpo> gotcha
[01:32] <gotonpo> thanks
[01:33] <Ahab> jitan325: there's this that i tried... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10175&highlight=captive
[01:33] <jtan325> Seveas: do you know anything about captive-ntfs?
[01:33] <Ahab> Seveas: yeah i want to know too
[01:33] <Seveas> jtan325, not more than that I once spotted an ubuntu/debian package for it
[01:33] <Seveas> Never used it
[01:33] <nalioth> that was a nasty trick
[01:34] <jtan325> Ahab: yeah that's what i tried
[01:34] <nalioth> jtan325: Ahab: would you compile a linux kernel with a windows library?
[01:34] <gotonpo> can anyone recommend a better command line irc program?
[01:34] <gotonpo> than bitchx?
[01:34] <gotonpo> or is it the top?
[01:34] <Seveas> irssi
[01:34] <nalioth> when i type "mail" does it call some nassty program like emacs or vi?
[01:34] <jtan325> nalioth: probably not
[01:34] <nalioth> gotonpo: irssi
[01:34] <Seveas> bitchx is crap compared to irssi
[01:34] <Seveas> nalioth, no just mail
[01:34] <gotonpo> thanks. i'll try irssi
[01:35] <Seveas> with an even less intuitive interface than emacs :)
[01:35] <jtan325> nalioth: but i have a 250GB USB external hard drive, i'd rather take my chances
[01:35] <Ahab> nalioth: no. no idea i would do that
[01:35] <Ahab> *how
[01:35] <gotonpo> exit
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> bx rocks.. i only use bx
[01:35] <nalioth> Seveas: does mail use vi or emacs keybindings?
[01:35] <Seveas> nalioth, neither :)
[01:35] <jtan325> Seveas: do you know to build the kernel using module-assistant?
[01:35] <Seveas> jtan325, with module-assistant you build modules, not a complete kernel...
[01:36] <nalioth> i ran mail, and had to quit the terminal to close it
[01:36] <Seveas> nalioth, q<enter>
[01:36] <jtan325> or do you know anything about a "detected linux kernel sources /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to be valid?
[01:36] <jtan325> this occurs when i do "sudo /usr/share/lufs/prepmod
[01:36] <Ahab> same
[01:36] <Seveas> jtan325, you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed for module assistant to work
[01:37] <jtan325> yeah
[01:37] <jtan325> i did that
[01:37] <wulfepup> hi guys
[01:38] <wulfepup> What does this error mean and how do I fix it? E: gtkboard:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
[01:38] <wulfepup> It's happening on every new Synaptic intall ...
[01:38] <Ahab> jitan325: so did i
[01:39] <Ahab> i don't think captive is good to go for ubuntu
[01:39] <jtan325> yeah
[01:39] <jtan325> but that kind of sucks though
[01:39] <Ahab> yeah i know
[01:39] <Burgundavia> Ahab, captive requires the original drivers
[01:39] <Ahab> no worries on that
[01:39] <jtan325> Burgundavia: what do you mean?
[01:39] <Seveas> wulfepup, yeah the gtkboard package is fubar
[01:39] <Seveas> file a bug about it :)
[01:39] <Ahab> captive requires the original windows .dlls to work
[01:39] <Burgundavia> captive ntfs requires the original ntfs drivers from ms
[01:39] <Ahab> yeah
[01:40] <jtan325> is that not we have?
[01:40] <Ahab> i thought it just pulled them out of service pack 2, downloaded straight off MS's website
[01:40] <Burgundavia> knoppix does it by harvesting them off a service pack or your harddrive
[01:40] <jtan325> oh... so SP2 fubars it
[01:40] <Ahab> well, it's supposed to
[01:40] <Ahab> what captive-ntfs install is supposed to do is download SP2 for you and use those
[01:41] <jtan325> wait, i thought it's supposed to use the "original" windows files, meaning pre-SP2
[01:41] <jtan325> that kind of makes sense...
[01:42] <Burgundavia> jtan325, afaik, it can use sp2 drivers as well
[01:42] <jtan325> hmmm
[01:42] <wulfepup> Seveas:  being fairly new to the scene...what is gtkboard and how do I file a bug?
[01:42] <nalioth> jtan325: Ahab it doesnt matter where they come from, it looks on your system
[01:42] <jtan325> Burgundavia: so then any idea on why it doesn't work?
[01:42] <Burgundavia> jtan325, nope, don't have a windows install anymore
[01:42] <nalioth> i think you guys are brave pioneers, running captive ntfs
[01:42] <tiglionabbit> wulfepup: gtkboard is a board-game thing
[01:42] <huleo65> hello i would like someone to tell me how to watch video with ubuntu
[01:42] <jtan325> nalioth: actually, i skipped the "scan my system" option and went straight for the internet download
[01:42] <huleo65> please
[01:43] <jtan325> could that be the problem?
[01:43] <Burgundavia> huleo65, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> huleo65: you probably want to read restricted
[01:43] <wulfepup> thanks tiglionabbit
[01:43] <huleo65> y
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> thank Burgundavia, he told you the url
[01:43] <Ahab> jitan325: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6261
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> oh wait
[01:43] <nalioth> jtan325: i hve no clue
[01:44] <Ahab> not a solution, but more info, anyway
[01:44] <huleo65> thanks all
[01:44] <Miks> has anyone tried a wireless pci adapter in ubuntu?
[01:44] <nalioth> jtan325: Ahab: instead of loading a windows lib into your kernelspace, why not try qemu?
[01:45] <Ahab> qemu? what's that?  (reaches for google)
[01:46] <jtan325> ah. alternatively, we could run vmware or something
[01:46] <Miks> how can i know my kernel source directory?
[01:46] <nalioth> i think qemu is better than vmware
[01:46] <Ahab> ok
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> qemu free?
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, is there anything like OpenCanvas for linux?
[01:47] <Ahab> qemu free? yep
[01:47] <wulfepup> Miks:  I have a blitzz pci card in my desktop at home, but haven't tried any Linux there yet.... the Ad-Hoc is getting painfull .. and running the laptop in Linux is bad enough on that.. I'll be getting a AP soon though... and after that I can let you know....
[01:47] <nickrud> I personally would wish for the cash to compare vmware to qemu
[01:47] <Ahab> lookin' at the website right now
[01:48] <nalioth> nickrud: yes that would be nice
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> cool
[01:48] <nalioth> nickrud: and while wishing, make sure to wish for the umpteen million per year to live on while testing it
[01:48] <nickrud> huh
[01:48] <nickrud> if wishes were fishes
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> i dont have enough bandwidth
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> );
[01:49] <Miks> well...i have the driver of my wireless card for linux....but i cant get to install it...it asks me for my "kernel source directory"
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> downloadin 3 software packages atm
[01:49] <Ahab> yeah i just got done with that... synaptic is wonderful but it destroys my DSL
[01:49] <nickrud> I've tried qemu, and it actually worked reasonably well on a low end PII, vmware is something I've never tried since I'd have to pay for it if I liked it
[01:50] <asimismo> If I have a broken grub install and boot with the live disc, then chroot to the installed Ubuntu instance, can I reinstall grub?
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:50] <truz24> How do i install j2eesdk-1_4_01?  Apparently the version @ sun.java.com uses a different version of libstdc++
[01:50] <nalioth> asimismo: yes, there's an article on the wiki about that
[01:50] <wulfepup> Miks:  can't help you there ... I'm fairly new myself.
[01:50] <asimismo> nalioth: Groovy.
[01:50] <Miks> thanks anyway
[01:51] <Ahab> truz24: no idea, i just followed the directions at sun's website on installing for linux and it worked no worries
[01:52] <mirak_> hi
[01:52] <mirak_> is there something to control the fans speeds from linux ?
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> should be
[01:52] <Ahab> ah, another person asking a question i wanted an answer to
[01:52] <Ahab> is there a port of speedfan, or something? would be nice
[01:52] <asimismo> nalioth: Having trouble finding it. Got a pointer?
[01:52] <truz24> Ahab, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[01:53] <Ahab> 5.04
[01:53] <nalioth> asimismo: one moment, please
[01:53] <Ahab> hoary
[01:53] <asimismo> nalioth: certainly!
[01:53] <jtan325> is it okay to transfer files from an ntfs partition to an ext3 partition?
[01:53] <truz24> and you just downloaed j2eesdk.... .bin and executed it?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> jtan325: yes, just not the reverse
[01:53] <nalioth> jtan325: reading from NTFS is ok
[01:53] <Ahab> truz24: no there's more involved than that, hang on a sec
[01:54] <truz24> k
[01:54] <nalioth> asimismo: here ya go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:54] <TokenBad> tiglionabbit, nalioth, and Seveas..thanks for help and nalioth and Seveas your both right..pan worked
[01:54] <asimismo> nalioth: Hmmm... Not what I expected--it's a solo Ubuntu install. But thanks!
[01:55] <nalioth> TokenBad: of course it works, i use it every day
[01:55] <TokenBad> well tried knode
[01:55] <TokenBad> didn't work
[01:55] <TokenBad> so tried pan
[01:56] <nalioth> TokenBad: pan even works on <shudder> windoze
[01:56] <Ahab> truz24: use this link: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml
[01:56] <Ahab> worked beautifully for me
[01:56] <Ahab> you want the self-extracting binary
[01:56] <TokenBad> ACK!! bad word..bad word!!!
[01:56] <johntramp> hi i have an internal globespan adsl modem which I cant get going
[01:57] <johntramp> I have found this,. http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/net/eciadsl
[01:57] <johntramp> is that what I should use?  it is for usb tho
[01:57] <truz24> thanks Ahab
[01:57] <Ahab> no problem
[01:57] <johntramp> I can not find a similar package for an internal modem
[01:57] <Ahab> download is at the top, step by step installation is further down the page
[01:57] <nalioth> i have a USB adsl question.... dont adsl modems come with NETWORK jacks?
[01:58] <pablo_> hi guys :) how can I determinate a default background color for nautilus? Thanks :)
[01:58] <mirak_> is there something to control the fans speeds from linux ?
[01:58] <Ahab> truz24: and the instructions to enable for mozilla 1.
[01:58] <Ahab> for mozilla 1.4 work exactly the same for firefox
[01:59] <wulfepup> bbl
[01:59] <truz24> Ahab, actually, i was referring to the deveoper jdk
[01:59] <truz24> not the run time
[01:59] <Ahab> shit
[01:59] <truz24> but thanks anyway
[01:59] <Ahab> haha
[01:59] <chonny69> i've a question
[01:59] <Ahab> no problem
[01:59] <chonny69> what does "mv * disabled" do
[02:00] <chonny69> because afaik it moves whatever's in the directory to disabled
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: that would move everything in your current directory to a folder in your directory called disabled..  which is impossible because it would move the directory into itself
[02:01] <chonny69> that's weird
[02:01] <pablo_> hi guys :) how can I determinate a default background color for nautilus? Thanks :)
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> mv is move, * is all files in this directory, and "disabled" will be interpreted as a directory name
[02:01] <chonny69> these are the instructions i used before getting to that point
[02:01] <chonny69> $ cd debian/config/i386
[02:02] <chonny69> $ mkdir disabled
[02:02] <mirak_> is there something to control the fans speeds from linux ?
[02:02] <chonny69> and then the one in question
[02:02] <nalioth> mirak_: try sourceforge.net
[02:02] <SysFail> whats the package in synaptic that you install so you can compile stuff??
[02:02] <Aflipy> hi!
[02:02] <nalioth> SysFail: build-essential
[02:02] <SysFail> i am drawing a blank
[02:02] <SysFail> thanks man
[02:02] <Aflipy> is there any tool to check a FAT32 file system integrity?
[02:02] <mirak_> nalioth: if it's not packaged I am not interested
[02:02] <mirak_> nalioth: but thanks :)
[02:03] <nalioth> mirak_: then i'm not sure
[02:03] <chonny69> no?
[02:04] <pam> exit
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: instructions found where?
[02:06] <chonny69> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/4924
[02:06] <chonny69> but it's in spanish
[02:06] <nalioth> chonny69: use google translation
[02:06] <chonny69> it's ok, i know spanish
[02:07] <nalioth> chonny69: muy bien
[02:07] <chonny69> i'm just trying to figure out, why, after creating the disabled directory it's asking me to "mv * disabled"
[02:08] <chonny69> basically, i'm trying to install the logitech quickcam
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: it wants you to move things into that directory
[02:08] <_SWAT_> my Ubuntu doesn't recognize my primary IDE device on my secondary IDE channel (Pioneer DVD writer). Anyone got any ideas? (somehow disabling DMA worked, partially). Anyone got a 'permanent' solution? (I'm not the only one with this problem)
[02:09] <Heimdall> how can I mont a fat32 partition with write authorization ?
[02:09] <chonny69> move things from the directory i'm at into the new one, right=
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: try it anyway
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> yeah
[02:09] <chonny69> well it's funny it lists the disabled directory as the only one in there
[02:09] <chonny69> but i've had a problem with visualizing hidden files
[02:10] <chonny69> how do i make them all visible using ls?
[02:10] <mopflite> hi folks - any idea where the extremely comprehensive installation instructions have disappeared to which used to be on the ubuntu web site?
[02:10] <mopflite> chonny69: ls -a
[02:10] <chonny69> thank you!
[02:10] <chonny69> yesss
[02:10] <mopflite> ls -al to see the full listing with timestamps and file permissions
[02:11] <chonny69> now i have to compile
[02:11] <chonny69> it's my first time
[02:12] <KillerSmurf> is there a way to keep files from moving to .trash and Delete them directly?
[02:12] <truz24> KillerSmurf, yes, there is an option
[02:13] <KillerSmurf> Truz24 where would I find it?
[02:13] <truz24> its under system->preferences->file management
[02:13] <iris_> the first time always sucks
[02:13] <truz24> include delete command that bypasses trash
[02:13] <KillerSmurf> tnx
[02:13] <truz24> np
[02:13] <iris_> except in rollercoasters
[02:14] <mopflite> my questions is, I have lost my original installation cd and I would as a result like to reconfigure apt so that all software is now obtained from the net, and yet the cd-rom drive doesn't appear as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list - any idea how I can tell the system that the net should be used for all software installations from now on?
[02:14] <nalioth> mopflite: the cd-rom is not listed at the top?
[02:14] <mopflite> nalioth: no
[02:14] <mopflite> let me re-check
[02:15] <mopflite> oh, it is!
[02:15] <mopflite> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20050317)] / hoa
[02:15] <mopflite> ry main restricted
[02:15] <mopflite> so I just need to comment that out?
[02:15] <truz24> yes
[02:15] <mopflite> wonderful, thanks
[02:15] <truz24> then apt-get update
[02:15] <tiglionabbit> mopflite: what you want to do is comment that out, and uncomment the other repositories in the file
[02:16] <KillerSmurf> I'm trying to delete 5000 files.... why does it take so long?
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: because that's a lot of files?
[02:16] <truz24> lol
[02:16] <KillerSmurf> rofl
[02:16] <truz24> use command line
[02:16] <truz24> rm files.* -f
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> -f?
[02:17] <truz24> force
[02:17] <mopflite> tiglionabbit: yes, the other repositories were uncommented, and apt only tried to obtain the occasional package from the cd-rom
[02:17] <truz24> well u may not have to add that
[02:17] <truz24> in ubuntu
[02:17] <nalioths_dog> mopflite: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> mopflite: oh.
[02:17] <nalioth> mopflite: make sure your sources.list resembles that one
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: you have a dog that can type?
[02:18] <tuks> hey, what does it mean in linux that it cannot execute a binary file?
[02:18] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: when i kick him hard enough
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> =p
[02:18] <mauper> hi! What to restart if hotplugging of usb devices does't work anymore ?
[02:18] <tuks> It's a file that I compiled earlier in java...
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> tuks: what kind of binary file?
[02:18] <KillerSmurf> brb
[02:18] <tuks> Java...
[02:19] <tuks> the extension is .class
[02:19] <Michel> Does anyone know how Ubuntu handles removable media and external drives?
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> tuks: you need to say `java` before the class name, don't you?
[02:19] <tuks> Is that what you mean?
[02:19] <truz24> tuks, how did u install java in ubuntu?
[02:19] <truz24> the java compiler that is
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> truz24: read restricted
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[02:19] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <tuks> Go to synaptic and do a search on java.
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> it has a link to an explanation of how to get java 2
[02:20] <iris_> just because it fits here.. is there a java for linux on ppc?
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> mopflite: generally it automounts and plops an icon on the desktop
[02:20] <tuks> it doesn't like java ./HelloWorldApp.class
[02:20] <tuks> Is that what you meant?
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> tuks: you're not supposed to say .class
[02:20] <nalioth> iris_: yes
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> tuks: just say "java HelloWorldApp"
[02:21] <nalioth> iris_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//JavaPPC
[02:21] <tuks> When I have the java, it gives me an error.
[02:21] <tiglionabbit> tuks: you shouldn't drink too much java.  You could get addicted
[02:21] <Funk4544> Hi all
[02:22] <Funk4544> Quick question
[02:22] <tuks> Yeah, I know...
[02:22] <chonny69> ok... i just unpacked everything
[02:22] <Funk4544> What's the best book to learn linux?
[02:22] <chonny69> wow that was quite a ride
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> tuks: and Java likes to give you errors.  That's one of its favorite things to do
[02:22] <chonny69> now... for the configuration part
[02:22] <mauper> Funk4544: irc ;)
[02:22] <Funk4544> For the absolute beginner
[02:22] <iris_> ahh, i forgot ibm distributes java too.. should have searched more.. thanks a lot nalioth
[02:22] <Funk4544> mauper, but I don't even know where to start ;)
[02:22] <tuks> So I've been told. <_<
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: dunno.  Tried the rute book?  It's available on apt
[02:22] <Funk4544> Rute?
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yes
[02:23] <iris_> its the first ppc i ever use :D
[02:23] <Funk4544> Sorry, I've never heard of that
[02:23] <Funk4544> Do you have a link?
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: any unix manual will be appliccable too.  Because GNU's Not Unix...  well...  it really is
[02:23] <socomm> Probably the last too.
[02:23] <Funk4544> Well, I just started Ubuntu
[02:23] <tuks> Tiglionabbit... I already compiled it... shouldn't it have given me errors then?
[02:23] <Funk4544> Is this a good choice for beginners?
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: I said it's on apt.  Look for it in synaptic
[02:24] <Funk4544> lol
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> tuks: nope.  Java likes to give you errors in many palces
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> *places
[02:24] <Funk4544> I have no idea what that means :(
[02:24] <Funk4544> Sorry
[02:24] <nalioth> iris_: i have ubuntu on 2 iBooks, if ya need anything, just ask (and i'll point at someone else)
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: you know what Synaptic is?
[02:24] <Funk4544> Nope.
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: run it.  It's a program in ubuntu
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> it's where you get stuff from
[02:24] <chonny69> remember the mv * disabled i was talking about?  its in the wiki
[02:24] <socomm> !guide
[02:24] <ubotu> socomm: I give up, what is it?
[02:24] <chonny69> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[02:25] <tuks> computer->systemconfiguration->synaptic
[02:25] <Funk4544> I have to be root ey
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yes.  Are you the admin user?
[02:25] <Funk4544> Yep
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: if so, you can type your password in there
[02:25] <socomm> ubotu: guide is http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:25] <ubotu> socomm: okay
[02:25] <mauper> or in here, and make sure sshd is running ;)
[02:26] <iris_> nalioth, "Unfortunately, there's no Mozilla plug-in for IBM's Java on PPC. If you need to view applets, you'll have to install Konqueror from the Debian repository." Does konqueror have some special java-magic built in?
[02:26] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, I'm in Synaptic
[02:26] <Funk4544> It's a package manager apparently. ;)
[02:26] <tiglionabbit> yes
[02:26] <tiglionabbit> that means it lets you install software from the internets
[02:26] <lsuactiafner>  CTCP PING reply from lsuactiafner: 558.599 seconds
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> bwahaha
[02:26] <nalioth> iris_: idk, i dont do java
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:26] <Funk4544> Wow interesting
[02:26] <Funk4544> I can install KDE Desktop Env too?
[02:26] <Funk4544> :D
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yes you can.  search for "kubuntu-desktop"
[02:27] <nalioth> iris_: and i'm not much of a KDE user
[02:27] <mauper> noone knows what to do if hotplugging doesn't work anymore ... sigh ...
[02:27] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, : found it
[02:27] <iris_> mhh, well.. i'm setting up an old university computer, and get most of the things the users might approach to work.. if theres no java plugin i dont have to worry about installing ibms jre :)
[02:28] <iris_> me neither
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544:  gewd.  Just mark it for install.  And mark the rute book too
[02:28] <Funk4544> Which desktop env do you guys generally prefer?
[02:28] <Funk4544> KDE or Gnome?
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: I like gnome, because it works better, but kde is prettier
[02:28] <iris_> i thought about installing them kde, because it has more windows look & feel, but... nah
[02:28] <Funk4544> Gnome seems cleaner to me.  (that's a linux dunderhead's opinion, FYI)
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> iris_: if you want something that looks like windows, try ice
[02:28] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, back to the rute thing
[02:28] <jaross> how do you set the clock?
[02:28] <Funk4544> I searched for kubuntu-desktop
[02:29] <Funk4544> It shows three things
[02:29] <KillerSmurf> I have additional start-up commands in session.  What is the 'Order" number for?
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> 3 things?  How many repositories do you have?
[02:29] <Funk4544> Default settings
[02:29] <Funk4544> desktop
[02:29] <Funk4544> & live
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> you don't want live
[02:29] <Funk4544> (all with kubuntu prefixes)
[02:29] <Funk4544> When I mark the desktop for installation
[02:30] <jaross> nevermind, for some reason it would not let me before and now it will
[02:30] <Funk4544> a dialogue comes up asking which required changes
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> it should say it requires a tonnage of things
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> yes
[02:30] <Funk4544> rather, which packages
[02:30] <Funk4544> yep
[02:30] <iris_> well icewm may look like windows, but it lacks a lot of easy to use well integrated programs such a file manager, email client, etc. i think gnome is the way to go.. they had to use osx before :D
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> because it's not actually a package itself, it's a metapackage that requires all components of the kubuntu dekstop
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> keeps things organized
[02:30] <Funk4544> Alright.
[02:30] <nalioth> iris_: then gnome will remind them of what once was
[02:31] <Funk4544> Which of the listed items shall I mark?
[02:31] <KillerSmurf> for example 'gnome.clipboard.daemon Order is 80'  I'm wondering what that order number is for
[02:31] <chonny69> do i compile as root?
[02:31] <socomm> iris_: XPDE.
[02:31] <nalioth> chonny69: no
[02:31] <nalioth> chonny69: you only checkinstall as root
[02:31] <chonny69> ok then
[02:31] <iris_> nah, its got a "start" menu.. it will be fine
[02:31] <alxwind> guys, how can i extract tar.gz archives in termina?
[02:32] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: you want the one called "kubuntu-dekstop"
[02:32] <comadreja> what is the applet to check the status of a wireless interface ?
[02:32] <socomm> alxwind: `man tar'
[02:32] <Funk4544> alxwind, that was my next question ;)
[02:32] <pinky_> when getting a gnome theme from gnome look which one do I want Metacity?
[02:32] <alxwind> 10x
[02:32] <thoreauputic> alxwind:  tar xvzf file.tar.gz
[02:32] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, kutuntu-desktop?
[02:32] <socomm> pinky_: Metacity is GNOME's window manager, IE: window decoration.
[02:32] <KillerSmurf> for example 'gnome.clipboard.daemon Order is 80'  I'm wondering what that order number is for?????????????
[02:32] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: 'tar xvzf thefile"
[02:32] <Funk4544> In the "additional required changes" window itself?
[02:33] <pinky_> thank you for clearing that up :)
[02:33] <socomm> The GNOME themes are just GTKthemes.
[02:33] <pinky_> ok
[02:33] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: let it select all of kubuntu-desktop's dependencies for you
[02:33] <pinky_> 1.x or 2.x though?
[02:33] <socomm> Umm, they change how your widgets and buttons look.
[02:33] <socomm> pinky_: Most likely 2.0+
[02:33] <pinky_> ook thank you :)
[02:34] <chonny69> hey i just want to say that everyone's being very patient and helpful.  thanks so much!
[02:34] <comadreja> what is the applet to check the status of a wireless interface ?
[02:34] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, it didn't select anything
[02:34] <iris_> it handles most files the will encounter (zip, doc, jpeg, pdf) without much GUI change and thats important. a smaller desktop may look familiar in the first place, but that doesnt help if i need to explain them how they handle each filetype out there.. ("a zip file, no problem, just open a console window, cd into the directory and run unzip <filename>)
[02:34] <comadreja> and how do I know the ethernet address of an interface ?
[02:35] <Funk4544> alright, that's weird
[02:35] <Funk4544> it also selected kubuntu-default
[02:35] <Funk4544> settings
[02:35] <KillerSmurf> Does anyone here know what the order part of the sessions tab is about .  Is it like priortity?
[02:35] <nalioth> comadreja: ifconfig
[02:35] <Funk4544> to be marked for install
[02:35] <nalioth> comadreja: from a terminal
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: it probably requires that
[02:35] <Funk4544> OK. I'm assuming it's all marked and ready to go
[02:35] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, one more thing
[02:35] <alxwind> how can i decompress smth to /usr/share as root?
[02:35] <Funk4544> Can I instll KDE?
[02:35] <comadreja> nalioth : it says 00:00:00:00:00:00
[02:36] <Funk4544> I'd like to check it out a bit for educational purposes.
[02:36] <Funk4544> ;)
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: put sudo before your command?
[02:36] <KillerSmurf> alxwnd sudo nautilius then move the pkg
[02:36] <nalioth> comadreja: then something is wrong
[02:36] <alxwind> sudo tar xvzf file.tar.gz /usr/share?
[02:37] <Funk4544> Shit
[02:37] <Funk4544> Sorry tiglionabbit
[02:37] <Funk4544> Can you repeat anything you said before I quit
[02:37] <KillerSmurf> Does anyone here know what the order part of the sessions tab is about .  Is it like priortity? or something els
[02:37] <Funk4544> I also want to install KDE
[02:37] <tiglionabbit>  tiglionabbit> Funk4544: it probably requires that
[02:37] <lsuactiafner> is there a distributed movie encoder?
[02:38] <alxwind> 2tiglionabbit sudo tar xvzf file.tar.gz /usr/share? <- is it correct?
[02:38] <iris_> lsuactiafner, lol, big project ey?
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: kubuntu-desktop is all of kde you really need.  You can grab the kde package in addition if you want more of its components, or install those separately
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: no, I don't think it is
[02:38] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: you mean like seti@home, but for movies?
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: put a -C before the directory name
[02:38] <truz24> lsuactiafner, we should write up a spec for one
[02:38] <truz24> and put it on sourcefore
[02:38] <truz24> forge
[02:38] <Funk4544> ok
[02:38] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : no like a cluster to encode mocies
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: C for change directory
[02:39] <alxwind> 2tiglionabbit oh, thank u
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> kinda like openMosix and lives i think
[02:39] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  I'm guessing I've done everything correctly
[02:39] <truz24> I would love to have a distributed encoder like CCE
[02:39] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: just your standard generic cluster software
[02:39] <truz24> CCE is only for windows tho
[02:39] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  now press apply?
[02:39] <signbarn> is the root terminal like writing "sudo" in front of every command?
[02:39] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, (with CD in drive, right)?
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> since on my amd64 3200 3 pass encodin takes around 3hrs
[02:39] <truz24> what are you using now lsuactiafner ?
[02:39] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yeah, when you hit apply it should take a moment downloading and installing everything for you.  Mmmhmm.  You can grab the rute book first though.  And no, you probably want to disable the CD repository unless you have very slow internet.  Newer packages exist
[02:39] <Funk4544> sudo root = running a command as root
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> clustered encodin seems like a better name for it
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> mencoder 3 pass encodin
[02:40] <truz24> yeah, distributed implied internet, where as cluster implies local
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[02:40] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, [excellent!]
[02:40] <truz24> its called mencoder?
[02:40] <iris_> lsuactiafner, well 3 hours are convenient.. i dont think theres a need for that
[02:40] <comadreja> nalioth : what could be wrong ?
[02:40] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, my connection is pretty fast (1.3 Megabytes/sec down)
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: have you edited your repositories (or /etc/apt/sources.list) yet?
[02:41] <nalioth> comadreja: idk, but it shouldnt be all zeros
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> my connection is 5k/s, joinin ubuntu makes me lag around 10 minutes
[02:41] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, pardon my idiocy, but where is the "rute book"
[02:41] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, say what now?  (??)
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: it's an html guide to linux
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> iris_ : 3hrs is too long
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: in synaptic, hit settings->repositories.  What does it list there?
[02:41] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: so build you a dual-core, dual-proc amd64 box
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> i got an amd 2500+ that my flatmate aint usin now that could be used to encode
[02:41] <comadreja> nalioth : I know, I just installed ubuntu because debian failed... it detected the centrino wireless card, but gives me that weird hwaddress
[02:41] <truz24> does mencoder do as good a job as CCE ?
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> no money for dual core
[02:41] <Funk4544> CD UBuntu 5.04
[02:42] <Funk4544> Ubuntu 5.04
[02:42] <Funk4544> (binary /binary / source)
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> with openMosix would release a 2.6.x patch and not some cvs
[02:42] <truz24> lsuactiafner, my roommate can do a 2 pass encoding in 20 minutes on his dualcore
[02:42] <nalioth> comadreja: i run apple hardware, so am at a loss on configuring intel stuff
[02:42] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  ubuntu 5.04 updates
[02:42] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  5.04 updates (sourceS)
[02:42] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: ok.  Are there checkboxes?
[02:42] <alxwind> guys, where exactly .xinitrc file is located?
[02:42] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  ubuntu 5.04 security bin & source
[02:42] <iris_> lsuactiafner, save a bit and make intel happy :D
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> truz24 : with mencoder?
[02:42] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, as far as I can tell, no.
[02:42] <truz24> no, cce
[02:42] <truz24> have u heard of cce?
[02:43] <truz24> or dvdrebuider (which uses cce in the background)
[02:43] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: hit the settings button and check the top box for "show disabled repositories" and it should then probably allow you to check or uncheck things on the list
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> nope
[02:43] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  do you mean disable SW sources?
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> will check it out
[02:43] <alxwind> guys, where exactly .xinitrc file is located? Search doesn't work
[02:43] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, : correct. that did it
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> it for linux tho?
[02:43] <truz24> lsuactiafner, its windows only
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> with mencoder i use
[02:43] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, OK now, there's some checks
[02:43] <truz24> thats why i am interested in mencoder
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vpass=1:vbitrate=1450:v4mv:mbd=2
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3:q=0:preset=extreme -o Notebook.avi -vf crop=704:432:8:72
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> so it takes ages
[02:44] <Funk4544> Ubuntu security updates 5.04 BINARY & SOURCE (community maintained ((universe)) are not checked
[02:44] <lsuactiafner> mencoder rocks, tho dont use options i pasted, they are specific to the movie
[02:44] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: so now you can pick which sources you want to have.  So you can keep the cd around for quick updates, or uncheck it and throw it awyay
[02:44] <truz24> have you ever encoded a dvd with it ?
[02:44] <Funk4544> ubuntu 5.04 "hoary hedgehog" Community maintained nOT checked
[02:44] <lsuactiafner> i suppose i could encode it 20 mins also,but not this type of quality as 3 pas
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: when you want to install a package that only exists in universe, or things are requiring dependencies they can't find, try enabling that.  Or you can do it now if you want
[02:45] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, should I check any of them? I'm not really sure what the difference is between them
[02:45] <Big_O> ugh
[02:45] <lsuactiafner> truz24 : dvd mpeg-2 is sucks, mpeg4 is divx5 much better
[02:45] <iris_> lsuactiafner, well lames exteme preset is not called that without a reason
[02:45] <Big_O> why wont firefox update
[02:45] <Big_O> T_T
[02:45] <truz24> lsuactiafner, can u encode vob files with it?
[02:45] <Funk4544> lsuactiafner, isn't DiVX 6 out
[02:45] <lsuactiafner> iris_ : yeh
[02:45] <iris_> do you really hear the difference?
[02:45] <Funk4544> lsuactiafner, besides, XViD is pretty good too
[02:45] <Funk4544> :)
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: universe has some other packages you might want some time.  It doesn't hurt to include em.  You can tell which packages ubuntu has strong support for by whether or not they have the ubuntu logo in that one column in synaptic
[02:45] <iris_> to standard encoding?
[02:46] <[myg0t] blocky> hi
[02:46] <abbot45> Big_O, what version do you have?
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> yeh divx6 is out but its not ported to nix, also the mencoder mpeg4 is very good
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> xvid is nice
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> but havent tried it
[02:46] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  should I check all of them?
[02:46] <Big_O> ok well ive put in the wary backports
[02:46] <Big_O> >.>
[02:46] <Big_O> 1.02
[02:46] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yeah, go ahead, and uncheck CD if you want
[02:46] <Funk4544> lsuactiafner, Is DiVX 6 any good vs XVid
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> am happy with mpeg4 when i dont get artifacts in motion and if things are below 1.4G in size
[02:46] <wulfe-away> Big_O:  because of  asecurity flaw in pre-1.04 releases... and Ubuntu (although patched to 1.04) still uses and older base... so Firefox doesn't recognize it.
[02:46] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, : done. CD unchecked
[02:46] <blocky> okay I just installed ubuntu 5.04
[02:46] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  am I free from the constraints of the CD installer now?
[02:47] <blocky> the install went smooth and im a pretty gnome desktop
[02:47] <truz24> lsuactiafner, how did u get notebook to avi form?
[02:47] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, : Repositories changed.
[02:47] <blocky> but it never asked me or told me the root password
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> wulfe-away : about:config change your version
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> to 1.0.4
[02:47] <blocky> anyone know what the default root pass is?
[02:47] <nalioths_dog> blocky: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> is Big_O having the firefox problem?
[02:47] <abbot45> Big_O, thats the version you are suppost to have with Ubuntu.  they just backported from 1.04 because of its vonurabilities, but added the security updates.  so you are basicly using 1.04, but it says 1.02.
[02:47] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, I'm reloading the packages now
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> truz24 : vobcopy?
[02:47] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, I think it's done o_O
[02:47] <truz24> k
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> how you know i'm encodin notebook?
[02:47] <truz24> just curious
[02:47] <truz24> cuz i got skills
[02:47] <truz24> :-)
[02:48] <lsuactiafner> you looked @ the vbitrate? or crop?
[02:48] <wulfe-away> Big_O:  yeah, what lsuactiafner said.
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> Big_O: firefox is in fact current.  It just doesn't update the version number.  To change it, type "about:config" into your firefox address bar, and change the VendorSub number to 1.0.4
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> Big_O: I mean 1.04, like they said
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> no, 1.0.4 works
[02:49] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, crap, I gotta go to dinner with my parents
[02:49] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, will you be on in a bit?
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: sure.
[02:49] <nalioth> Funk4544: we are always here
[02:49] <iris_> Funk4544, have fun
[02:49] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, sweet, I'll look you up when I return from [away]  mode
[02:49] <Funk4544> iris_, thank you good sir.
[02:49] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, thank you for your help  so far.
[02:49] <iris_> sir?
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: I'm the same name on aim and yahoo and gmail, in case you need me
[02:49] <Funk4544> :)
[02:49] <nalioth> iris_: we're all just data....
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> truz24 ?
[02:50] <Funk4544> Funk4544, oh cool!
[02:50] <Funk4544> omg
[02:50] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, oh cool!
[02:50] <tiglionabbit> =3
[02:50] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, I've recorded your name down. I'll add you to my buddy list for AIM/Yahoo when I get back
[02:50] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, you're not by any chance on ICQ are you?
[02:50] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: you're a marked man
[02:50] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, (ICQ offers offline messaging)
[02:50] <Funk4544> nalioth, hehe ;)
[02:50] <lsuactiafner> truz24 : how did you guess?
[02:51] <iris_> nalioth, well, maybe all the poeple we talk to in irc are improved elizas..
[02:51] <abbot45> can someone help me set up my new monitor?  is there a way for it to auto detect it without having to re-install?
[02:51] <nalioth> iris_: i know a couple i suspect
[02:52] <nalioth> abbot45: should just be able to plug it in
[02:52] <wulfe-away> that's strange .. I coulda sworn I already di dteh about:config change in Firefox.. but it still claims to be 1.0.2... I guess it didn't stick.
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> wulfe-away: make sure you change the vendorsub line to it
[02:52] <abbot45> nalioth, i know, its working, but i need to update xorg.conf in order to get my resolutions right & stuff.
[02:52] <lsuactiafner> night
[02:52] <abbot45> nalioth, i dont know exactly what i need to do there.
[02:53] <nalioth> abbot45: you can edit xorg.conf or rerun the dpkg configurator
[02:53] <nalioth> abbot45: probably the dpkg thing
[02:53] <abbot45> nalioth, how do i do that?
[02:53] <nalioth> abbot45: open a terminal, and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:54] <abbot45> ok
[02:54] <nalioth> abbot45: most questions are fine with the default answer, you'll need to pay attention to the monitor ones
[02:54] <comadreja> how can I play dvds on ubuntu ?
[02:54] <wulfe-away> tiglionabbit:  yeah ..thought I did... musta died somewhere and didn't save the change...
[02:54] <nalioths_dog> comadreja: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[02:54] <tiglionabbit> comadreja: !restricted
[02:54] <comadreja> thanks !
[02:54] <tiglionabbit> yeah, listen to the dog, heheh
[02:55] <nalioth> where's ubotu got off to?
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[02:55] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:55] <mig`> i'm back.. afternoon
[02:55] <Big_O> marque@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$ sudo ln -s  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:55] <Big_O> marque@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$ ls
[02:55] <Big_O> libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:55] <Big_O> marque@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$ firefox
[02:55] <Big_O> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager
[02:55] <Big_O> System error?:: Success
[02:55] <mig`> actually, evening
[02:56] <Big_O> damnit
[02:56] <truz24> lsuactiafner, you had the filename in the string you pasted
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> Big_O: don't paste stuff here =P
[02:56] <mig`> hmmm... i'm trying to install ubuntu onto my usb drive
[02:56] <mig`> it installed, however i didnt install grub on my main hdd, but on the usb drive
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: how did you do that?
[02:56] <Big_O> sorry but i' useless at explaining problems
[02:56] <Arkainium> I keep getting mail from cron complaining about apache2 (I don't have it installed).  How can I change cron to reflect that?
[02:56] <Big_O> i'm^^
[02:56] <mig`> and i can get grub loading if i choose the usb hdd as the primary hdd in the bios, however, it wont boot
[02:56] <mig`> it goes into a kernel panic, ideas why?
[02:57] <mig`> i think it gets detected as hd0 by grub, dont know what the name of hte block device is for the root= command line in grub
[02:57] <lsuactiafner> ah
[02:57] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:58] <wulfe-away> Big_O:  use http://paste.ubuntulinix.nl/ as a paste space and just paste the URL here.. it saves scroll and flooding.
[02:58] <Arkainium> Is it safe to delete the apache2 file in /etc/logrotate.d/ if it's not installed?
[02:58] <Big_O> ah
[02:58] <Big_O> thanks
[02:59] <wulfe-away> np
[02:59] <Big_O> one problem
[02:59] <tiglionabbit> Big_O: you should probably be able to install a java package, rather than having to link it to firefox's plugins
[02:59] <Big_O> my browser isnt working j/k
[02:59] <wulfe-away> LOL
[02:59] <mig`> the other alternative would be installing grub on my master hdd, however that kind of defeats the purpose of installing ubuntu on my external hdd (other than using it on this machine)
[03:00] <mig`> ideas on how to configure grub to boot up properly when the usb hdd is the primary drive
[03:00] <Big_O> yeah well if i could find it in synaptic
[03:00] <Big_O> >/
[03:01] <nalioth> !ubotu tell nalioths_dog about restricted
[03:01] <gardenia> if I install breezy now and update as we go will I have a stable release ( long as I update ) based system at time of release, -  or is it really best to wait for full stable release ?
[03:02] <blocky> what ist he best winamp replacement?
[03:02] <wulfepup> have I mentioned yet today how much I love FireFox (I used to be die-hard Netscape fan.... then when I started doing web-dev, I got addicted to IE..... thank the gods for introducing me to Firefox)
[03:02] <blocky> should I use xmms or rythmbox
[03:02] <wulfepup> blocky  I like xmms
[03:02] <gotonpo> xmms
[03:02] <blocky> xmms is like winamp2
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> blocky: you should use AmaroK
[03:02] <blocky> is there anything more up to date
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> =P
[03:02] <nalioth> gardenia: you can install breezy when it says "release candidate" until then, you get wildly flunctuating dependability
[03:02] <blocky> wtf
[03:03] <nickrud> Arkainium probably, but using synaptics filter feature to check for configured but not installed packages is probably the better way to look at it
[03:03] <blocky> rythmbox cant even play mp3s?
[03:03] <nalioth> blocky: yes it can
[03:03] <tiglionabbit> blocky: you need to download codecs
[03:03] <nalioth> blocky: but you have to enable mp3s first
[03:03] <tiglionabbit> !ubotu tell blocky about restricted
[03:03] <gardenia> nalioth,your saying installing now wont guarantee a stable type system even staying on top of updates so best to wait for release candidate
[03:03] <thoreauputic> blocky: beep-media-player is xmms in gtk2 drag (nicer than plain xmms) ;)
[03:03] <nalioths_dog> blocky: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[03:03] <pressure_man> i feel like some pain. i'm about to install breezy to have a look at it.
[03:04] <iris_> ahh, ~1,2MB/s speed for fetching packages.. installing software on university connections is fun.. wish i would have that at home ;(
[03:04] <nalioth> gardenia: until it says "release candidate" (adn sometimes even then) you'll be subject to all the bugs
[03:04] <KillerSmurf> I want to say thank you to all that have helped me make my migration from windoze to linux possible...... THANK YOU!!!!
[03:04] <blocky> k thanks
[03:04] <mhz> hello!
[03:04] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: you're welcome.  Hope you have fun
[03:04] <drummer87> hi, are there any breezy disc images yet?? i can't seem to find them...
[03:04] <gardenia> nalioth,,yeah thats ok I realize that..that wasn't that much concern as this system is ok for that..
[03:05] <iris_> KillerSmurf, welcome
[03:05] <pressure_man> drummer87: best way is to download them with jigdo
[03:05] <iris_> drummer87, there are
[03:05] <pinky_> is there a dock app for gnome like superkaramba
[03:05] <mhz> Anyone here ever synced a Treo600 with any sync app under Ubuntu?
[03:05] <nalioth> gardenia: i always advise folks to put breezy (if they have to have it) on a spare system
[03:05] <iris_> but dont use them yet..
[03:05] <Septu> Hi guys, if i was to download an iso, what release would be best to install on a laptop
[03:05] <nalioth> pinky_: gdesklets
[03:05] <gardenia> nalioth, yeah
[03:05] <pinky_> thank you :)
[03:06] <mhz> Anyone here ever synced a Treo600 with any sync app under Ubuntu?
[03:06] <mig`> nobody know?
[03:06] <drummer87> iris_, where can i find them? i can only see hoary on the ubuntu site
[03:06] <pressure_man> wonder if e17 will be stable by the time breezy hits release... or ever
[03:06] <iris_> uhm, i forgot how theyre called
[03:06] <KillerSmurf> The only thing that I have left is to find out how to transfer my GPS files (I was using EasyGPS in 'doze) in Ubuntu.  Any Ideas?
[03:06] <Septu> What release should I download
[03:06] <iris_> colony?
[03:06] <pressure_man> was colony relatively stable?
[03:06] <iris_> Septu, what laptop have you got?
[03:07] <pressure_man> it's going back about a month now isn't it?
[03:07] <Septu> M3 toshiba
[03:07] <drummer87> Septu, hoary is the latest stable
[03:07] <Arkainium> nickrud, that sounds like a good idea but it doesn't seem like it's doing anything.
[03:07] <nalioth> Septu: hoary hedgehog
[03:07] <Septu> ok
[03:07] <Septu> thnx gents
[03:07] <pressure_man> i'm about to install breezy-daily-installer on a spare partition. wish me luck
[03:07] <iris_> so dowload hoary x86 install cd (5.04)
[03:07] <nalioth> pressure_man: have fun
[03:07] <wulfepup> Septu:  I'm loving Hoary on my HP pavilion .. it was a pain to get some things set up.. but part of that is the laptop itself.. and part is that I'm using the AMD64 kernel instead of 386
[03:07] <Big_O> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/377
[03:08] <Septu> .. that doesnt sound like fun
[03:08] <abbot45> nalioth, hey, what was that command to run dpkg?
[03:08] <wulfepup> I swear I almost gave up on several occassions.. but it's all good now... I have almost everything I need here, and rarely use M$ Windoze for anything...
[03:08] <FlannelKing> Anyone have suggestions for webcam photo upload/shindig things?
[03:08] <pressure_man> has anyone used the asterisk packages in ubuntu?
[03:08] <abbot45> nalioth, i missed something and couldnt go back.
[03:08] <nalioth> abbot45: you can start over
[03:08] <iris_> Septu, check tuxmobil.org for compatibility on your laptop before you install
[03:09] <pressure_man> FlannelKing: you could try gallery2 - http://gallery.sf.net
[03:09] <abbot45> nalioth, nevermind.
[03:09] <chonny69> this compiling thing is taking a while
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: it will
[03:10] <pressure_man> compiling? this isn't #gentoo
[03:10] <FlannelKing> I'm not looking for a web gallery, Im just looking for a service to capture and save it as a jpg (or stream)
[03:10] <pressure_man> FlannelKing: http://www.zoneminder.com
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> FlannelKing: you may have more luck asking that on ubuntuforums.org
[03:11] <iris_> pressure_man, not everything is a .deb
[03:11] <FlannelKing> Yeah, I figured I would ask here first, real time and all
[03:11] <wulfepup> Septu:  once you've gotten the basics http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ may have some detailed info for you too.. I found it invaluable!
[03:11] <nickrud> Arkainium me, personally, I'd run aptitude, then, in the main window, use the commad 'l' , and enter '~c' (show only configured but not installed packages) and see if apache2 was there.
[03:11] <Septu> I already have gentoo on it all setup, but i just cant be bothered fighting to get simple apps working any more
[03:12] <Septu> all the hardware is setup though
[03:12] <bigfoot1> hello
[03:13] <tiglionabbit> hi bigfoot1, welcome back
[03:13] <Arkainium> nickrud, I mean, with synaptic it worked because I saw there were some configured but not installed packages.  apache2 wasn't one of them though.  The reason I have a left over configuration is because I bought a new harddrive and copied my etc directory to it.
[03:13] <iris_> Septu, on my samsung p35 i was scared about ubuntu, because everything i needed worked out of the box
[03:13] <nickrud> Arkainium yeah, then I'd delete it :)
[03:13] <bigfoot1> hi tiglionabbit, how are you?
[03:13] <Arkainium> nickrud, thanks for the help
[03:13] <tiglionabbit> I'm alright, still hanging around here to see if I can answer people's questions and such
[03:14] <bigfoot1> I remember talking with you about a day ago. What were we talking about, again?
[03:14] <Septu> mmm
[03:14] <Septu> oh well i give it a go
[03:14] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: that's very nice of you.
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> thanks.  I don't remember what we talked about though =P
[03:14] <nickrud> Arkainium assuming you are not using apache2, of course
[03:14] <bigfoot1> I'm using Gaim to access this chatroom now.
[03:14] <bigfoot1> I usually use Xchat to access irc.
[03:14] <Big_O> ah
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: yeah, gaim will treat it as a chatroom.  You can enable logging too
[03:15] <bigfoot1> Which does everyone prefer for IRC, and why: xchat or Gaim?
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: I use irssi
[03:15] <Septu> xchat
[03:15] <Discipulus> xchat
[03:15] <nickrud> xchat, cuz it's simple
[03:15] <Big_O> err... *reads the ln refference and sees the "gcc"*
[03:15] <Big_O> O.O
[03:15] <Big_O> crap
[03:16] <bigfoot1> so gaim is much more complicated than xchat for irc, nickrud?
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: not more complicated, it's just a little bit clunky
[03:16] <bigfoot1> :-*
[03:16] <nickrud> bigfoot1 not a clue, I've never used gaim
[03:16] <nickrud> for me, simple means, I tried it, and it works for me
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: if it's working for you though, no problem
[03:16] <bigfoot1> oh, i'm just playing around.
[03:16] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: xchat or irssi are more flexible and powerful for irc
[03:17] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic: i see.
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: there's a textmode program called centericq that does most of what gaim does.  It's fun.   I usually prefer graphichal programs over them.
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: how close do they live?
[03:18] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, bout 10 minute car drive away, why?
[03:18] <tiglionabbit> uh, dunno
[03:18] <gotonpo> ask why?
[03:18] <Discipulus> bigfoot1, if people like command line programs over GUI, they're usually pretty old, or are just really really smart
[03:18] <tiglionabbit> was going to say if it's more than 50 miles you can probably ignore em
[03:19] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, hehe, nope, I'm not too worried about it though
[03:19] <mig`> so i've got a usb hard drive, which i'm makign the primary disk on the machine (via the BIOS), grub is installed ont he usb hdd
[03:19] <mig`> however, ubuntu won't boot
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: I'm 19, and I like commandline things because I can access them over ssh even when graphics aren't set up
[03:19] <Discipulus> mig`, sounds like a problem :-P
[03:19] <mig`> grub loads the init rom (it seems)
[03:19] <eyequeue> disasm:  pretty old, or just pretty? :)
[03:19] <mig`> however, but it doesnt get past the pivot_ whatever
[03:19] <mig`> i forget the exact message :(
[03:19] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, like I said, they're either old (ie from the olden days when X wasn't popular) or really really smart
[03:19] <Discipulus> :-P
[03:20] <mig`> i think the problem is with the root= kernel option in grub config
[03:20] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: also because it keeps all my work in the terminal windows, and uses lots of keyboard commands
[03:20] <bigfoot1> one thing that xchat does better than gaim is with its Tab-Autocomplete function. With gaim, you must type enough of the starting letters, until it autocomplets with  a unique nickname. but gaim can cycle through possible autocompleted nicknames.
[03:20] <mig`> right now it reads: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[03:20] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: you said gaim twice
[03:20] <Discipulus> mig`, then it should be booting, unless /dev/sda1 isn't your USB hd
[03:21] <mig`> ./dev/sda1 is what grub configured it to when i was installing it (remember this is a usb hdd, and at the time of installation, in the bios it was the 2nd hdd)
[03:21] <mig`> but in order to get grub to kick in, i had to make it master in the bios
[03:21] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: oh. you are right! i just woke up and i'm not making any sense!
[03:21] <mig`> well that's what i don't know
[03:21] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: which behavior is with which?
[03:21] <barosl> who uses breezy?
[03:21] <mig`> because it seems to find an ext2 partition
[03:21] <Discipulus> mig`, well, I know my IDE hard drive is /dev/hda1
[03:21] <mig`> well that kind of throw me off
[03:21] <FlannelKing> xchat cycles, just keep hitting tab
[03:21] <mig`> because i formatted as ext3
[03:21] <bigfoot1> Correction: With _gaim_, you must type enough of the starting letters, until it autocomplets with  a unique nickname. but ___xchat___ can cycle through possible autocompleted nicknames.
[03:22] <drummer87> yay.. breezy colony 2 torrent coming down as i type..  :)
[03:22] <mig`> hmm, yeah well /dev/hda1 is my winxp hdd
[03:22] <Discipulus> alright
[03:22] <Discipulus> I'm think sda refers to scsi, not sure
[03:22] <mig`> the usb hdd -should- be /dev/sda
[03:22] <mig`> yeah that's what it is
[03:22] <Discipulus> ask in ##linux
[03:22] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: oh yeah, that's another reason why text-based apps are nice
[03:22] <mhz> Anyone here ever synced a Treo600 with any sync app under Ubuntu?
[03:22] <mig`> ok, brb
[03:23] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: ;-)
[03:23] <eyequeue> screen and ssh are a great combo, no matter what the app, imo
[03:23] <bigfoot1> i point for Gaim over xchat: smiley texts/emoticons show up as graphics in gaim, but show up as merely text symbols in xchat.
[03:23] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, pon and poff are the only way I can get online, all the GUI progs slow down my connection for some really wierd reason
[03:23] <FlannelKing> Graphical Smileys are the devil
[03:23] <chonny69> hey no kidding, how long does it take to compile
[03:23] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  /me breathes easily now :)
[03:23] <bigfoot1> eyequeue: what's screen? what does ssh stand for?
[03:23] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: same here, I always use ifup and ifdown, because network-admin is slow as crap
[03:23] <Discipulus> chonny69, depends on what you're compiling
[03:23] <eyequeue> screen (1)           - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
[03:23] <eyequeue> ssh (1)              - OpenSSH SSH client (remote login program)
[03:24] <chonny69> the linux-source
[03:24] <wulfepup> FlannelKing:  ditto!
[03:24] <Discipulus> chonny69, as in the Linux Kernel? Shouldn't take too long, unless you made it really big...
[03:24] <nickrud> heh, i've always thought as pon/poff as me friends, pppoe, ppp, doesn't matter
[03:24] <chonny69> no... i don't think i did
[03:24] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: SSH is Secure SHell
[03:24] <Discipulus> personally I'm happy with the prepackaged kernel works fine for me
[03:25] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: and screen is a program that lets you detach from a text-based app and let it keep running on someone elses machine after you've logged out.  Then reattach later.  You can do some other stuff with it too
[03:25] <barosl> ...i found the topic about breezy now;
[03:25] <barosl> =_=
[03:25] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  in this context, scrren is what enables detaching a remotr session, and reattaching it again from elsewhere (home/work for example)
[03:25] <bigfoot1> I'm throwing out a hypothesis here. I'd like your opinion on this. People who like text-based stuff are more of book-readers, while those who prefer graphical apps are more of movie-watchers. Do you find this true for you?
[03:26] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, eyequeue, so screen is like "remote computing"?
[03:26] <nickrud> for my age group, it's probably more of how lazy we are
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: no.  I don't read books.  I like text-based because the keyboard commands are faster than clicking on stuff
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: no, ssh is
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: screen just allows you to keep things running while you're gone
[03:26] <Discipulus> bigfoot1, not really, I like movies and books, just as I like gui and command line
[03:26] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  can be, yes (though much much more as well)
[03:26] <chonny69> bigfoot1:  kind of.  but i don't watch tv
[03:27] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: screen allows you to create "detachable" sessions, and multiple screens within one session
[03:27] <bigfoot1> anybody in this chatroom using gaim for irc?
[03:27] <Discipulus> I do agree you can do stuff faster with command line than you can a gui
[03:27] <Discipulus> ;-)
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: I do sometimes
[03:27] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  ssh is more the "remote" in the combo, but the combo is the key, not either piece
[03:27] <chonny69> shoot, i messed up and i made the compiling thing ridiculously long...
[03:27] <chonny69> oh well
[03:27] <Discipulus> bigfoot1, I do sometimes
[03:27] <Discipulus> not right now though
[03:27] <pinky_> is it possible to view a windows ntfs partition in ubuntu
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: yes
[03:28] <pinky_> and extract the files?
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: what's the partition's name?
[03:28] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic: when do we need to create "detachable" sessions? What's the puprose for that? and what's the purpose of having multiple screens in one session?
[03:28] <wulfepup> afk
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: you can do everything but write to it
[03:28] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  i have in the past, though it's not usually my preference
[03:28] <chonny69> but that's good so i can do other things like reading
[03:28] <pinky_> just my c:/
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: you can even resize it, if that doesn't involve changing any files
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: type "sudo fdisk -l" and tell me which of those it is?
[03:28] <pinky_> can I acces files from it
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> yes.  You'll need to mount it first
[03:29] <hesa> hola
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: as pointed out above, if you are ssh'ed to another machine, you can detach the screen session and log out, and the session will be there when you log back on
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: the robust part of that is, you could log in remotely from one machine, then detach and login remotely from another machine somewhere else and reattach, and it'll be just as you left it
[03:29] <blocky> has anyone got drivers for an Envy24 7.1 sound card?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: the multiple screens are a bit like a CLI multi-tab option - you can mobe from one to another with key strokes
[03:30] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  imagine you work for BigEvilCorp with a highly restrictive firewall (no irc) ... ssh to your home machine where you have your irc session already running from earlier and attach to it there, as one example
[03:30] <pinky_> ive got two one for the windows install and one for documents
[03:30] <pinky_>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:30] <pinky_> /dev/hda1               1        2550    20482843+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:30] <pinky_> /dev/hda2            2551        8513    47897797+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: ok, see those devices?
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: now, you'll need to make two empty directories to mount them to.  Can you do that?
[03:31] <bigfoot1> eyequeue: so you're saying that if you ssh to home computer, you can access irc in an irc-banning BigEvilCorp?
[03:31] <pinky_> ha nah sadly not :(
[03:31] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: yup
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: then, use the command "sudo mount /dev/hda1" followed by the directory you want to mount it to.  Do the same thing for the other
[03:31] <pinky_> ah ok
[03:31] <FlannelKing> you can do ANYTHING 'as' your home computer
[03:31] <bigfoot1> sounds interesting!
[03:31] <Discipulus> how do you detach from a screen session?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: usually people put them in /mnt.  So say "sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1" and the same thing for hda2.  Then use those directories in the mount command as I said above
[03:32] <bigfoot1> FlannelKing: but don't BigEvilCorps usually block access to home computers, too?
[03:32] <eyequeue> bigfoot1: it's been done :)  often :)  pick any protocol they block too, not just irc (don't surf to certain sites from work, for example, even if port 80 is open)
[03:32] <FlannelKing> Just like you can do the whole remote X desktop thing, if you have windows at work, you can use cygwin to your home machine, like I'm doing right now
[03:33] <pinky_> tiglionabbit_: thank you for your help :)
[03:33] <FlannelKing> well, except Im connecting to the machine across hallway
[03:33] <bigfoot1> eyequeue: i don't understand what you wrote.
[03:33] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  for example, if i want to show up on irc as being<EMAIL_ADDRESS>rather than, hmm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:) (and no, i don't work for ms, heh
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: detatch using control-A d
[03:33] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, how do you detach from a screen session?
[03:33] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, alright
[03:33] <FlannelKing> bigfoot1, You SSH to your home machine and you can do anything you want from your home machine (as if you were sitting infront of the terminal)
[03:33] <FlannelKing> SSH basically 'puts' you at your home terminal
[03:33] <nickrud> bigfoot1 the key is, if you can get access to a machine outside your firewall, and that machine is not blocked, you can use that machine to do whatever
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: did those mounts work?
[03:34] <alxwind> did anyone try to install xpde on ubuntu?
[03:34] <eyequeue> Discipulus:  ^A^D and "screen -r" are the typical pair of commands to get you started :)
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: if they did, you should now see the files on those ntfs partitions in the directories you created
[03:34] <alxwind> xpde.com
[03:34] <alxwind> plz explain how to install
[03:34] <pinky_> il try in later its like 3 in the morning here and im pretty tired :(
[03:34] <thoreauputic> alxwind: ewww.... why would you want xpde ?
[03:34] <pinky_> il pm you how I get on
[03:35] <alxwind> just want to try
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: ok.  How new are you?  You at least know how to make a folder, right?
[03:35] <wulfe-away> FlannelKing:  alternatively... just tunnel, like I'm doing ;)
[03:35] <pinky_> cheers youve helped me a whole bunchh
[03:35] <pinky_> well I installed ubuntu yesterday
[03:35] <pinky_> so pretty new
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: k.  Be sure to try using Synaptic.  It's a fun program
[03:35] <alxwind> can't understand these explanations http://xpde.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=168
[03:35] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  say i want to access http://competitor.com while at bigcorp.com, but don't want that logged by bigcorp.com (looking for a new job perhaps) ... lots of reasons come to mind
[03:35] <bigfoot1> could you do the reverse, as well? That is, could you set up the computers in such a way that you can access work computers from home?
[03:36] <pinky_> ok will do
[03:36] <bigfoot1> So is ssh/screen what i need if i want to help my mom halfway across the world with her computer questions?
[03:36] <nickrud> bigfoot1 it'll probably get you prosecuted, unless you have an ok
[03:36] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: assuming you have ssh access...
[03:36] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  that sounds more like a job for vnc
[03:36] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  you can ssh to/from any place that one: runs sshd, and two: don't block port 22 (or whatever alternative port you chose)
[03:36] <FlannelKing> but yes, its called telecommuting
[03:36] <alxwind> 2thoreauputic any ideas what to do with xpde?
[03:36] <nickrud> bigfoot1 assuming us
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: it depends.  The computer you log in to must have an ssh server running
[03:37] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: a windows pc can have SSH server running, yes?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> alxwind: the very thought of making linux look like Xp horrifies me, sorry ;)
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: take a look at vcn though, that may be easier to try out at first, since it's graphical
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> I mean vnc
[03:37] <alxwind> lol
[03:37] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: gotcha.
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: I believe so, but you'd have to install it.  Just like you'd need to install the vnc server
[03:38] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  myhost$ ssh momt@momshost sudo apt-get install foo, heh
[03:38] <FlannelKing> alxwind, most people who actually use computers turn off their XP theme on their windows box
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> vnc works very differently.  It serves up an image of the desktop, rather than interfacing files directly
[03:38] <FlannelKing> I cant imagine why someone would want it if they werent forced
[03:38] <bigfoot1> vnc sevrver is what i install on my mom's Windows pc. and vnc is what i put on my (ubuntu) pc. Correct?
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: vnc should already be installed here
[03:39] <alxwind> 2thoreauputic this is not because of windows like look but because  this is my first time when i can't install smth under linux
[03:39] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  if you want to run apps on her box from yours, yes
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: system -> preferences -> remote desktop
[03:39] <wulfe-away> bigfoot.. yuppers.. I use Ultr@VNC on my Win boxes and the boxes I trouble shoot.
[03:39] <mhz> Anyone here ever synced a Treo600 with any sync app under Ubuntu?
[03:39] <alxwind> i can't edit xinitrc file
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: the program you'd use to see theirs is called vncviewer, and it's installed with ubuntu by default.
[03:40] <eyequeue> alxwind:  have you prepended sudo to the edit command line?
[03:40] <wulfe-away> UltraVNC even allows for file transfer (assuming UltraVNC to UltraVNC, ie Win to Win)
[03:40] <nickrud> alxwind xorg prefers .xsession, try that as your X startup file
[03:40] <bigfoot1> eyequeue: i don't want only to run apps, but to  temporarily "possess" her computer.  I want to be able to move her mouse with my mouse. Type with my keyboard. VNC does these things?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> alxwind: it's probably ~/.xinitrc, which is deprecated anyway - use ~/.xsession
[03:40] <eyequeue> alxwind:  if it's a system-level file, you'll need the "root" permissions that sudo grants
[03:40] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  yuppers!
[03:41] <alxwind> eee, so what should i do first?
[03:41] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  yeah (screen -x does that if cli btw)
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> sometimes I wonder what Australians would think about "root access"
[03:41] <bigfoot1> So i guess the problem is getting a non-geeky mom to install the vnc server onto her Windows pc. is it a hard thnig?
[03:41] <alxwind> sudo edit /usr/share/xsessions/xpde.desktop?
[03:41] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: what do you mean about your "australian" comment?
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: in Australia, root means sex
[03:42] <eyequeue> alxwind:  if "edit" is the app, then yes (gedit maybe?)
[03:42] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: yep, gives a whole new meaning to "rooted" ;)
[03:42] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: i didn't know that. can you give an example sentence, so we can see it in context?
[03:42] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  I got a totally ignorant client to install Ultr@VNC in a matter of minutes...  she was on cable and I was on dial-up and talking her through it over the phone.
[03:43] <bigfoot1> wulfe-away: what's Ultr@vnc?
[03:43] <eyequeue> kind of like FileSystemChecKed, heh
[03:43] <Discipulus> bigfoot1, instead of "I'm gonna go have sex" it'd be "I'm gonna go get root"
[03:43] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: man to prospect: "ya wanna root?"
[03:43] <bigfoot1> wulfe-away: i guess that means i first have to know how to install vnc servers myself first!
[03:43] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  it's a Windows VNC client and server package... one of several.
[03:43] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, that'd be more like root meaning f*ck
[03:43] <eyequeue> i'm gonna go fsck my partner's box
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Discipulus: no, your example is wrong, soory (Aussie here)
[03:43] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, oh, my bad
[03:44] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, I've always wanted to learn Aussie slang...
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: eyequeue lol
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> oops
[03:44] <alxwind> sorry, guys, but i don't have ~/.xsession file
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Discipulus: "root" can be a verb or a noun, BTW :)
[03:44] <jozzer> wulfe-away: advantages over the normal vnc? or tightvnc?
[03:44] <nickrud> alxwind one piece of advice, never change anything under /usr/share, that's owned by ubuntu
[03:44] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, teach me Aussie slang :-P
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> I dunno, the only way I heard it was about the rude panda that eats, shoots, roots, and leaves.
[03:45] <alxwind> ok, 10x fo advise
[03:45] <eyequeue> alxwind:  ~/.* would be the per-user file, the /usr/share/* would be the global file that changes settings for all users
[03:45] <bigfoot1> so aussies don't use "root" in this way: 2 friends watching a sports match. Hey, PersonA, which team are you _rooting_ for?
[03:45] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, what does shoots mean?
[03:45] <wulfe-away> jozzer:  on Ultr@VNC to Ultr@VNC connections it has built in chat and file transfer.. otherwie it is basically winvnc
[03:45] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: that was a wombat, actually ;)
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: the panda is a necrophiliac
[03:45] <eyequeue> alxwind: typically if it's meant to be edited globally, it's under /etc/* bew
[03:46] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, haha
[03:46] <nickrud> alxwind if there's ever an update to the package that owns /usr/share/xsessions/xpde.desktop, any changes you made will be overwritten
[03:46] <wulfe-away> tiglionabbit:  or the panda "shoots" his load....
[03:46] <alxwind> huh?
[03:46] <alxwind> so, i guess i'm stuck
[03:46] <Discipulus> wulfe-away, then it would be 'eats, roots, shoots, leaves'
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: many americans I know have screwed that one up"
[03:46] <jozzer> hehe the default ubuntu install is preatty
[03:46] <wulfe-away> Discipulus:  yup
[03:47] <Discipulus> wulfe-away, that's the way Americans look at it alright lol
[03:47] <bigfoot1> do aussies use "root" in the sense of cheering for someone. For example: Which team are you rooting for?
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> no
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> as I said, many americans I know have screwed that up
[03:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: no, we use "barracking for" a team
[03:48] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, teach me aussie slang
[03:48] <ed_> hi
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> I'm not really Australian, just half.  My dad is
[03:48] <wulfe-away> ever notice that Dave Matthews (of DMB, obviously) looks a lot like Jeremy Piven?
[03:48] <nickrud> alxwind just what are you trying to do, probably using ~/.xsession is the solution
[03:48] <ed_> can someone tell me how i do a system wide enviromental update on ubuntu.
[03:48] <ed_> ?
[03:48] <ed_> like rc-update on gentoo.
[03:48] <Discipulus> ed_, apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:49] <bigfoot1> is there a way to associate .gba files to open up with visualboyadvance just by doubleclicking on them?
[03:49] <ed_> i am looking to get cupsys to start on reboot.
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: well, you can eat bikkies watching footy on the telly, and a nice way to refer to your friends is as 'bastard-mongrels' or something like that
[03:49] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: the "team bike" would be a woman who "roots" for the team ;)
[03:49] <Discipulus> the "team bike" is a cheerleader?
[03:49] <jozzer> how do I lock a window to so I can move it to the next workspace?
[03:49] <alxwind> ok, thanks anyway lads
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: lock?
[03:50] <alxwind> c u soon
[03:50] <alxwind> LINUX RULZZ
[03:50] <Discipulus> jozzer, right click and select "move to workspace"
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Discipulus: erm.. the "team bike" is a woman everyone "rides"
[03:50] <jozzer> tiglionabbit: used to evilwm
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: what, so the boogie man wont come in at night?
[03:50] <ed_> jozzer: right click and you have the optino to move windows to diff desktops
[03:50] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, ah, a slut, gotcha
[03:50] <cmatheson> anyone here played w/ snes9x much?
[03:50] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, lol
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: is the pager displayed?  You can just drag windows around on that
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> pager is the thing that shows little snapshots of the windows on your multiple desktops
[03:51] <ed_> so anyone know how i can add a init.d files to start on reboot or start of gnome. ?
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> ed_: to add things to gnome's startup, use system -> admin -> sessions
[03:51] <ed_> hmmm was hoping there was something like rc-update like gentoo.
[03:51] <megabyte405> ed_:  system, preferences, sessions
[03:51] <nickrud> ed, or, add them to ~/.gnomerc
[03:52] <ed_> hmmm thanks.
[03:52] <jozzer> tiglionabbit: yes, but can it be done wint kbd strokes?
[03:52] <jozzer> with*
[03:52] <ed_> only prob with sys, pref, sessions you have to change the permissions since only root can't access and start init.d files
[03:52] <nickrud> jozzer yeah, ctl-alt-shift-arrow will move the active window aroun
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: w...  what, move windows around using the keyboard?  Well, it's accessible from the icon menu on that window, so alt-something to select that and etc
[03:53] <megabyte405> I'm trying to set up my TV tuner (Phillips SAA7134), and I can't get any signal
[03:53] <bigfoot1> how do you say goodbye in australian?
[03:53] <megabyte405> can somebody help?
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: dunno, but Australians never put shrimp on the barbie, they call it prawns.  (unrelated)
[03:54] <jozzer> cool nickrud thx
[03:54] <nickrud> jozzer I use it daily, I never open an app in the right desktop :)
[03:54] <barosl> when will be breezy stable...?
[03:55] <speel> never
[03:55] <UrbanFox> data type int is 2 bytes, right?
[03:55] <jozzer> nickrud: yes it's a nifty feature
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> UrbanFox: varies, and there are short and long ints
[03:55] <blocky> for apt repositories, what is the difference between universe and multiverse
[03:55] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: shrimp is to small as prawn is to big, no?
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: huh?  No, Australians just don't say shrimp
[03:56] <cmatheson> blocky:  go read the docs
[03:56] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  in US.. yes...  in Oz.. nope.. all are prawns
[03:56] <UrbanFox> tiglionabbit> what is long and what is short?
[03:56] <nickrud> blocky universe is free, multiverse has patent or other restrictions
[03:56] <UrbanFox> tiglionabbit> I need to know to plan out some network programming I'm doing
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> oh, and then there's jelly.  They call Jello Jelly, and Jelly is just...  dodgy jam
[03:56] <blocky> ah
[03:56] <jozzer>  are there any default kbd shortcuts for opening a teminal?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: note that Aussie slang is not used by most Aussies anyway, except occasionally: a lot of the things people outside the country think Aussies do are really not done ( cf. stereotypes about Irishmen saying "Top o' the mornin" etc)
[03:56] <speel> FOSTERS...australian for beer
[03:56] <blocky> so like debian-contrib/non-free
[03:56] <blocky> ?
[03:56] <bigfoot1> what's dodgy, thoreauputic?
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: use the system prefs keyboard shortcuts
[03:57] <jozzer> terminal*
[03:57] <nickrud> blocky yes, exactly, sort of ;)
[03:57] <wulfe-away> I had some Vegemite once.. and now I'm addicted.. but I can't find it anywhere locally .. and can't afford the online s&h
[03:57] <jozzer> tiglionabbit: ah
[03:57] <thoreauputic> dodgy is ,,, doubtful, shoddy , maybe even dishonest in contect
[03:57] <thoreauputic> *context
[03:57] <urangkayo> why i can't use convert command in ubuntu 5.04 ?
[03:57] <bigfoot1> gudbahy mates!
[03:58] <wulfe-away> honestly.. I love the stuff.. lightly spread on hot toast
[03:58] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: "A dodgy salesman" "A dodgy deal"
[03:58] <nickrud> blocky on reflection, not really, universe is free debian, not in ubuntu, multiverse is more undefined from my perspective
[03:58] <FlannelKing> wulfe-away, just pour soy sauce on your bread
[03:58] <urangkayo> i try this command convert -resize 640x480 -colors 14 logo.png splashimage.xpm && gzip splashimage.xpm
[03:58] <wulfe-away> not the same!!!!
[03:58] <megabyte405> barosl:  it will be "released" in October
[03:58] <urangkayo> but result command not found ?
[03:58] <bigfoot1> wulfe-away:  i love Nutella. Yummy hazelnut spread. I could eat it by itself. Or with icecream. At times, it makes a great replacement for Prozac.
[03:58] <urangkayo> somebody help me ?
[03:58] <FlannelKing> yes it is, just one is a paste
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> ew, vegemite is disgusting
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> worse than meat pies
[03:59] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: "mate " is rarely used in the plural except for e.g. "my mates"
[03:59] <FlannelKing> tiglionabbit, its not THAT bad, its just.... salty...
[03:59] <poningru> guys
[03:59] <poningru> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-2/
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> FlannelKing: you could say the same about spam
[03:59] <FlannelKing> hah, true
[03:59] <poningru> what does that mean?
[03:59] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: you don't like meat pies? you don't like chiken pie or beef pie?
[03:59] <speel> did anyone get breezy to succesfully start x?
[03:59] <FlannelKing> meat pie tastes like pickles
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> FlannelKing: but I love soy sauce, so it's not the salt that's the problem
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> pickles?  wtf?  You need your taste buds fixed
[04:00] <FlannelKing> bigfoot1, meat pie isnt pie made with meat, its just called meat pie
[04:00] <bigfoot1> My sister loves sunnyside eggs with soysauce.
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: no, australian meat pies.  They include gristle and disgusting parts
[04:00] <urangkayo> help me pls
[04:00] <bigfoot1> FlannelKing: oh, you mean mincemeat pie?
[04:00] <cafuego> Like, say possum
[04:00] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: that rather depends on the quality of the pie
[04:00] <FlannelKing> urangkayo, whats your problem?
[04:01] <bigfoot1> What exactly are australian meat pies?
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: I said australian
[04:01] <urangkayo> why i can't use convert command in ubuntu
[04:01] <poningru> guys should I upgrade to 5.10?
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: convert?
[04:01] <cafuego> bigfoot1: meat & gravy in pastry
[04:01] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: I know - there are good and bad Aus meat pies, though
[04:01] <FlannelKing> poningru, read the room desc
[04:01] <urangkayo> yup
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: you should be able to, it appears to be there
[04:01] <bigfoot1> ha. it sounded like flannelking was trying to start a fight.
[04:01] <eyequeue> urangkayo:  sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[04:01] <urangkayo> i try this : convert -resize 640x480 -colors 14 logo.png splashimage.xpm && gzip splashimage.xpm
[04:01] <poningru> then why is it out on .iso?
[04:01] <cafuego> bigfoot1: The more disgusting ones are served IN mushy peas
[04:01] <thoreauputic> urangkayo: sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[04:01] <nickrud> urangkayo you mean the convert from imagemagick?
[04:02] <urangkayo> but command not found
[04:02] <poningru> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-2/
[04:02] <FlannelKing> so people can download it easily
[04:02] <Kyral> Anyone know how to clear the GNOME Session save?
[04:02] <poningru> oh ok
[04:02] <bigfoot1> cafuego: INSIDE mushy peas? but green peas are tiny! how do you get stuff inside them?
[04:02] <Kyral> Somehow I have like 3 instances of XChat starting up
[04:02] <cafuego> bigfoot1: no, in a sea of mushy peas
[04:02] <Discipulus> Kyral, :-\
[04:02] <cafuego> bigfoot1: With tpamto sauce on top
[04:03] <eyequeue> urangkayo:  sudo apt-get install imagemagick <-- that installs the command
[04:03] <cafuego> tomato sauce, too
[04:03] <cafuego> bigfoot1: Do a google for 'pie floater'
[04:03] <mig`> ok, so i've got a problem
[04:03] <megabyte405> Kyral:  System, Preferences, Sessions.  Under Startup Programs, take care of what you need to
[04:03] <nickrud> Kyral take a look at system-preferences-session, you may be able to find the extra invocations there
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> heheh
[04:04] <thoreauputic> so many stereotypes...
[04:04] <bigfoot1> As a teacher, I have an English language question. please pm me with your answer to these fill-in-the blank sentence: Put chicken, butter, and carrots ______ the fry pan.
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> not my dad
[04:04] <mig`> i can get ubuntu installed successfully on a usb hdd, however it won't boot!
[04:04] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Well, actually.. a  Degani's meat pie isn't bad.
[04:04] <wulfe-away> arrrrghhhh   I'm stealing all of Synaptic's bandwidth by chatting and downloading FireFox extentions...  bbl  gotta quit some of this stuff....
[04:04] <mig`> can't get past pivot_root
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: my dad likes the blandest, garbage-est, awfulest stuff ever.  And he's from australia
[04:05] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I was trying to point out that pies vary in quality above, yes :)
[04:05] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Where in Australia?
[04:05] <FlannelKing> ....
[04:05] <urangkayo> i have try :  sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[04:05] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: small sample size :)
[04:05] <mig`> i get this issue with grub installed on either HDD
[04:05] <FlannelKing> cafuego, South of china/indonesia/etc
[04:05] <FlannelKing> and a little bit east
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: well, yeah, that's true
[04:05] <urangkayo> but the result is
[04:05] <urangkayo> urangkayo@urangkayo:~$ sudo apt-get install imagemagick Password:
[04:05] <urangkayo> Reading package lists... Done
[04:05] <urangkayo> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:05] <urangkayo> Package imagemagick is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:05] <urangkayo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:05] <urangkayo> is only available from another source
[04:05] <urangkayo> However the following packages replace it:
[04:05] <mig`> could it be because the usb 2.0 driver isn't loaded at that point and it can't find /dev/sda (the usb HDD) ?
[04:05] <urangkayo>   libmagick6
[04:05] <segphault> I want to run Kexi on ubuntu. Does anybody know where I can get a package for it?
[04:05] <urangkayo> E: Package imagemagick has no installation candidate
[04:05] <urangkayo> what the problem ?
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: please do not paste here
[04:06] <urangkayo> oh, sorry
[04:06] <cafuego> FlannelKing: Try reading that again.
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> you can use #flood or a pastebin
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: what you need to do is add more repositories
[04:06] <FlannelKing> Hah, did I misread? I was wondering how you'd not know where AUS is.
[04:07] <cafuego> FlannelKing: Being from the US would be a start <heh>
[04:07] <bigfoot1> To all: What word would you use to fill in the blank? PLease send me a private message with your answer: Put the meat, carrots and onions ____ the pan.
[04:07] <blocky> hmm
[04:07] <thoreauputic> FlannelKing: heh - Australia is rather large, in case you didn't notice ;)
[04:07] <cafuego> FlannelKing: No, I was asking where IN australia, not where australia is ;-)
[04:07] <eyequeue> it's in main: Filename: pool/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_<IP_ADDRESS>-2.1ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
[04:07] <blocky> anyone know why BMP would be crashing every time i play a file from my NTFS partition
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the appropriate lines.  You will need to edit this file with sudo permissions
[04:07] <FlannelKing> Thats why I wasnt sure how you could be so ... nescient
[04:07] <urangkayo> ok
[04:07] <urangkayo> i will try
[04:08] <blocky> wtf
[04:08] <blocky> xmms does it too
[04:08] <nickrud> urangkayo if you'll wait a sec, I'll find some good sources.list for you.
[04:08] <Kyral> Anyone know why DistroWatch listed a "snapshot" in the Ubuntu Version releases (dated 6/29/05)
[04:09] <FlannelKing> Because it was Colony2 release
[04:09] <speel> did anyone get breezy to succesfully start x?
[04:09] <cafuego> speel: yes
[04:09] <Kyral> Wait
[04:09] <Kyral> Colony 2?
[04:09] <speel> what vid module did you choose? i tryed nv and vesa both craped out
[04:09] <Kyral> You mean its safe ATM?
[04:09] <cafuego> speel: it involved a bit of symlinking and destroying most of gnome.
[04:09] <cafuego> If you want to USE your system, just use hoary.
[04:10] <speel> nah just wanna try the live cd
[04:10] <Kyral> Yah
[04:10] <urangkayo> nickrud : urangkayo if you'll wait a sec, I'll find some good sources.list for you. : ok nickrud
[04:10] <cafuego> speel: I use nvidia.
[04:10] <Kyral> I think I will LiveCD this one :D
[04:10] <speel> hmm odd
[04:10] <cafuego> speel: I used equivs to generate a fake libglu package
[04:10] <cafuego> speel: .. so that 'nvidia-glx' would install.
[04:10] <speel> ah ok
[04:11] <cafuego> Seeing as the 'linux-restricted-drivers' didn't compile *at all*
[04:11] <cafuego> *stabstab*
[04:11] <nickrud> urangkayo, replace /etc/sources.list with the 'better organized' version at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles
[04:11] <urangkayo> ok
[04:11] <nickrud> urangkayo that will get you better access to ubuntu's packages
[04:11] <random> hello
[04:12] <speel> i kinda stoped using ubuntu .. its way to buggy for me for some reason
[04:12] <urangkayo> thank's nickrud
[04:12] <nickrud> urangkayo np, it's a recurring issue
[04:12] <blocky> damnit
[04:12] <blocky> does anyone know a solid mp3 player i can use?
[04:12] <blocky> xmms and beep both just crash
[04:12] <blocky> well hang up
[04:12] <blocky> zinf crashes
[04:12] <speel> Lol
[04:12] <jozzer> mmmmm.... pizza, coca cola fresh ubuntu install in the middle of the night 04... damn this is life O_x
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> blocky: amarok
[04:13] <Kyral> nickrud, that example doesn't include Backports
[04:13] <thoreauputic> blocky: change the output plugin to esound and try again
[04:13] <FlannelKing> No, Colony2 is not safe
[04:13] <Kyral> Okay
[04:13] <nickrud> Kyral yes, on purpose
[04:13] <thoreauputic> blocky: in xmms or beep prefs
[04:13] <Kyral> I wait
[04:13] <FlannelKing> Its just a snapshot, second prerelease
[04:13] <unome> you need a PC to install Ubuntu, it doesn't work with microwaves!
[04:13] <Kyral> nickrud, why?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> unome: really? It installed fine on my toaster (YMMV)
[04:14] <hondje> yeah, that's what netbsd is for ;)
[04:14] <unome> thoreauputic: is Xcv55 FX series?
[04:14] <random> anyone know if Breezy will include any TPM support?
[04:14] <ccc> blocky: amaroK! the best music player ever.
[04:15] <thoreauputic> my toaster? /me checks /proc/cpuinfo for his toaster
[04:15] <unome> hehe
[04:15] <FlannelKing> random, You'd have to check the breezygoals page
[04:15] <blocky> k thanks thoreauputic
[04:15] <blocky> now it plays
[04:15] <blocky> but its still only coming out of one of my speakers
[04:15] <blocky> i need envy24 7.1 drivers
[04:15] <tinman|> hi im running a powerpc (mac mini) and i installed kde but i can read dvds in kde only gnome anyone know why?
[04:15] <FlannelKing> is your speaker cable in all the way?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> blocky: run alsamixer and check for muted channels
[04:16] <syntaxman> is breezy usable now?
[04:17] <random> is there an official/proper way to suggest or request a feature for Breezy?
[04:17] <mig`> i installed ubuntu on a usb hdd, and installed grub on the main hdd on this system (which should work), however, i don't get past pivot_root, i am thinking it's because the usb 2.0 driver hasn't been loaded yet and thus there is no /dev/sda1 (which is what the kernel line points to root in grub), does this make sense? it was suggested that i compile an initrd image and have that run before trying to laod the kernel?
[04:17] <nickrud> Kyral it's complex, and, maybe since I've last looked, solved, but fundamentally, backports do not mesh nicely with upgrading to breezy when it's released.
[04:17] <mig`> so that it can load usb 2.0 drivers
[04:18] <Kyral> this is why we comment out backports then :P But for right now it is quite stable in hoary
[04:18] <nickrud> Kyral I'm parroting some more competent people when I say that
[04:18] <blocky> how do i enable a channel in alsamixer
[04:18] <chombee> this is a little off topic, but I wondered if anyone knows of a Linux program that will simply let you send/receive files over the internet/network, that is designed purely for sending files of arbitrary size, as opposed to chat or email?
[04:18] <blocky> ftp?
[04:18] <FlannelKing> random, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=70, the breezy forum
[04:18] <thoreauputic> blocky: toggle with "M"
[04:18] <tiglionabbit> chombee: file transfer protocol, like blocky said
[04:18] <random> FlannelKing: thank you :-)
[04:19] <urangkayo> ubuntu using sudo for gain root acces , so all user can using sudo ?
[04:19] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: no, only users who are given admin accounts
[04:19] <thoreauputic> urangkayo: no, only those in the admin group
[04:20] <chombee> blocky, tiglionabbit - well, okay, ftp is a protocol, but I'm talking about an actual client... and I wasn't really thinking of something like ftp but more like something simpler designeds for just sending individual files from one use to another. Like you would do over MSN, except that with GAIM it doesn't work so well
[04:20] <mig`> OK, a more general 'Ubuntu' question
[04:20] <mig`> does the 'default' installation compile usb 2.0 support into the kernel?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> chombee: DCC on IRC clients will send/receive files
[04:20] <blocky> thoreauputic, is there a way to make my 7.1 have real surround?
[04:20] <mig`> Can anyone help me out with why the system won't boot?
[04:21] <urangkayo> thank's you all , for your help
[04:21] <thoreauputic> blocky: no idea, sorry
[04:21] <sfvt> mig: yes, my system works with my USB2 hard disk.
[04:21] <megabyte405> mig`:  I believe so
[04:22] <chombee> Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have simple GTK client for GNOME that just allows you to pick any file and send it to a friend or contact? As a replacement for trying to do it through an IM client
[04:22] <mig`> megabyte405, what do you believe ?
[04:22] <mig`> that it installs with usb2.0 compiled into the kernel?
[04:22] <megabyte405> mig`:  that there's default usb2.0 support
[04:22] <mig`> or as a module
[04:22] <megabyte405> oh, I see
[04:22] <mig`> but as a module, or in the kernel?
[04:22] <megabyte405> Module, I think.
[04:22] <mig`> i think thats my problem then
[04:22] <megabyte405> could be
[04:22] <mig`> you see, ubuntu is installed on a usb hdd
[04:22] <blocky> anyone her made 7.1 work under linux?
[04:23] <megabyte405> can you make an initrd?
[04:23] <mig`> so grub fails when it tries to load /dev/sda1
[04:23] <mig`> i dont know how to
[04:23] <mig`> could you help (or give me a link?), i'm on the ubuntu livecd right now
[04:23] <megabyte405> Hmm, I only know how to in Slackware (PatV made a script)
[04:23] <megabyte405> Maybe try googling a bit, I have no idea
[04:23] <mig`> yeah, i am googling, found a few things on ubuntu forums
[04:24] <sfvt> mig`: perhaps your bios doesn't support booting from USB drives?
[04:24] <mig`> sfvt, it does
[04:24] <mig`> however, what fails is ubuntu
[04:24] <mig`> it won't get past pivot_root
[04:24] <sfvt> mig`: ahh... then probably your initrd doesn't have the correct modules loaded
[04:24] <mig`> i dont think i have an initrd
[04:24] <mig`> let me seee...
[04:25] <whitti> Hey, I've got a rather old AMD K-7 eqipped PC with 64 mb of RAM. I was wondering whether Ubuntu was the best option, or whether there were any other easy to use distros more fine-tuned to the low-end environment?
[04:25] <mig`> i'm plugging in that hdd now, going to try to mount it and look in /boot
[04:25] <sfvt> mig`: if you're using the default kernel, then you probably do
[04:25] <mig`> ah ok, then i guess id o
[04:25] <mig`> so how would i edit that initrd to load up the usb2 module before trying to boot?
[04:25] <mig`> because i think it can't find /dev/sda1 because it hasn't loaded the usb2 module
[04:25] <blocky> is there an ESD equivalent of alsamixer?
[04:26] <sfvt> mig`: you can list the modules you want loaded in /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[04:26] <blocky> or even better an envy24 mixer
[04:26] <thoreauputic> whitti: depends on whether you arwe familiar with apt/Debian - it will run, but you would need a custom "server" install followed by installing the bits you need
[04:26] <nickrud> blocky no, alsamixer exists a level below esd
[04:27] <thoreauputic> whitti: you might want to have a look at VectorLinux
[04:27] <sfvt> mig`: of course, you have to rebuild the initrd image after adding them to /etc/mkintrd/modules
[04:27] <megabyte405> whitti:  you can do it, a k-7 isn't really "low-end".  The only bugaboo there is the low memory - if you could upgrade to more than 128, you should be fine
[04:27] <whitti> thoreauputic, I've got a card that would need the at76c503a driver. I assume this isn't natively installed in ubuntu, so I couldn't do apt?
[04:27] <mig`> sfvt, can i do all this from the livecd?
[04:28] <sfvt> mig`: don't know... never used the livecd. I suppose you could, as long as you copy the resulting initrd.img to your boot device
[04:28] <mig`> hmm, for some reason i can't mount the hdd
[04:28] <thoreauputic> whitti: I have no idea about the card, sorry - if it's supported by Linux it should work in Ubuntu
[04:28] <megabyte405> whitti:  pretty much all drivers are available as modules and will auto-load.
[04:28] <megabyte405> whitti:  is that an Atmel wired or wireless card?
[04:28] <whitti> megabyte405, wireless
[04:29] <megabyte405> whitti: that's what I guessed.  There should be atmel drivers, google for them.
[04:29] <whitti> sure
[04:29] <sfvt> whitti: is it a USB wireless? I just build the driver for a Linksys WUSB11
[04:29] <whitti> sfvt: that's it
[04:30] <sfvt> whitti: it's easy to build... hold on I'll give the URL for the instructions
[04:30] <whitti> sfvt: I have the Belkin with the atmel chip
[04:31] <sfvt> whitti: here are the steps I took: http://sbb.uvm.edu/~sfeehan/dads-computer/Atmel/INSTRUCTIONS
[04:31] <whitti> sfvt: I'll take a look
[04:31] <whitti> megabyte405, sfvt, and thoreauputic: Thanks for all the help.
[04:32] <sfvt> whitti: note that this doesn't use the ubuntu package for the driver... it's in the universe repo adn I plan to take a look at some point. it should work with module-assistant and therefore be a better solution than compiing from CVS
[04:32] <thoreauputic> whitti: no worries :) Good luck
[04:32] <whitti> sfvt: great
[04:33] <whitti> sfvt: I could perform most of these steps from a different PC and copy them across via CD?
[04:33] <sfvt> whitti: yes, as long as the kernel headers you compile against match the kernel you will run with
[04:35] <sfvt> whitti: if you look in the directory on my site there is a tar.gz of the modules compiled for the current 386 kernel for hoary... feel free to use them, though I make no guarentee ;)
[04:36] <whitti> sfvt: The easy option: I'm running the 686 kernel on this, so that would be easier :)
[04:36] <blocky> anyone know an easy way to get a mac os x dock?
[04:36] <nickrud> buy a mac?
[04:37] <macintoshr> yeah
[04:37] <macintoshr> buy a mac
[04:37] <sfvt> whitti: not being a kernel guru, I'm not sure if my modules will work on a 686 kernel... probably better to just follow the directions. It should only take a few minuets.
[04:37] <macintoshr> on windows there is ObjectDock
[04:37] <macintoshr> dont know about ubuntu though
[04:37] <megabyte405> blocky:  You could try using XFCE, which has a panel that can serve like the "launcher" portion of the dock
[04:38] <megabyte405> blocky: It's a differetn operating environment that replaced gnome
[04:38] <nickrud> so, for curiosity's sake, what's fink like?
[04:39] <cafuego> nickrud: fink is apt-get on the command line; and you can install/run various X things.
[04:39] <whitti> sfvt: The one I'm transferring to is 386. The one I would compile on is 686
[04:40] <tiglionabbit> yes, xfce's lil'star icon box is a little like the dock
[04:40] <whitti> sfvt: Therefore, thanks for the modules :)
[04:40] <blocky> is alsa-utils the same as alsa-tools?
[04:40] <sfvt> whitti: yeah, should be ok. no problem... hope they work.
[04:40] <blocky> and does it coem with envy24control?
[04:40] <pressure_man> i'm back after install breezy
[04:40] <comadreja> how do I configure my touchpad ?
[04:40] <iris_> did your world change?
[04:41] <pressure_man> breezy installs nicely, but gnome-panel is broken/non existent
[04:41] <nickrud> cafuego I know that much, but, is it worth it? Should I consider a mac portable, running osx, and use fink for the stuff I've gotten used to.
[04:41] <cafuego> it's newer, it's gotta be better lolol
[04:41] <pressure_man> it looks the same as hoary.
[04:41] <pressure_man> it's probably ok for a server (ie, non gui) install
[04:41] <cafuego> nickrud: Depends on what the stuff you've gotten used to is. The only think I really miss is Evolution.. and that's not in fink anyway.
[04:42] <iris_> pressure_man, breezy for server.. you crazy?
[04:42] <cafuego> pressure_man: Except not, as there are no security updates
[04:42] <nickrud> huh, evo is the thing my life is rapped around :)
[04:42] <cafuego> pressure_man: ... and it breaks.
[04:42] <pressure_man> i just might be ;-)
[04:42] <iris_> :D
[04:42] <nickrud> so, no fink for this guy.