[00:43] <elsa> hola
[04:44] <ubuntu-mate> hola
[07:50] <CharlieHustle> hello
[07:52] <Guest49229> hey guys, i need help with my hdmi audio
[07:52] <CharlieHustle> I would love to help you but today is my first day on linux. still breaking stuff.
[07:53] <Guest49229> i'm very green with linux myself...
[08:24] <CharlieHustle> hi again!
[08:26] <CharlieHustle> new to linux, but I've installed an application no through the software center. it works, i can get it to load using sudo but i would like to have it in my applications menu along the top, is there a way to do so?
[08:27] <SuperEngineer> CharlieHustle: it might help the folks to know which application, which linux etc.
[08:28] <CharlieHustle> the application was electrum. I am using ubuntu-mate 16.04
[08:29] <CharlieHustle> oh, wait, it does show up after I closed my terminal. I hadn't closed terminal since the installation. could that be why?
[08:30] <SuperEngineer> yes
[08:30] <SuperEngineer> now restart & see if it works as expected / hoped ;-)
[08:30] <CharlieHustle> ah, thank you!
[08:31] <SuperEngineer> [restart not always neccessary... it just proves to yourself that all is ok
[08:33] <ubuntu-mate> hi Id like install on my thinkpad l450 mate but in chesse webcam is not working in ubuntu 16 I have same problem cam you help me please?
[08:37] <SuperEngineer> is the webcam actually turned on?
[08:39] <SuperEngineer> [I don't know the l450 but perhaps it has a keyboard special key to activate it]
[08:40] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[08:40] <SuperEngineer> [check the little icons on the Function keys]
[08:40] <ubuntu-mate> no device found in chesse
[08:41] <SuperEngineer> that is expected message for a webcam it can't find / or not turned on.  How do you know it is actually activated?
[08:44] <SuperEngineer> I ask these simple / silly questions from my own experience.  I had same problem once only to find that the webcam was not activated [I had forgot to actually connect my [external webcam] usb plug]  :-)
[08:46] <SuperEngineer> ah well, looks like he/she forgot to connect the "patience" adaptor as well :-D
[08:48] <CharlieHustle> I was logged out so I never saw the other person to whom you were speaking with!
[08:50] <CharlieHustle> I think I like ubuntu mate. linux seems a little intimidating but it's fairly easy to figure out. there's almost a google result for any question I have that tells me to sudo something and it works!
[08:58] <SuperEngineer> CharlieHustle: you are correct about massive help being readily available.  Beware of some googles giving you commands starting with sudo.  Not everybody on the internet is as nice as the people here.  Always try to get a 2nd opinion before executing an unknown sudo command.
[09:08] <CharlieHustle> Will do! Thanks for the advice! :)
[09:13] <SuperEngineer> np
[09:14] <SuperEngineer> time to be boring and go do the shopping now.  Have fun folks.
[10:04] <nmcunix> hi guys
[10:05] <nmcunix> anyone here can give me the rundown on the processor microcode driver
[10:05] <nmcunix> its under additional drivers
[10:05] <nmcunix> for my Intel
[10:11] <sixwheeledbeast> what would you like to know?
[10:12] <nmcunix> hey sixwheeledbeast
[10:12] <nmcunix> the processor microcode driver
[10:13] <nmcunix> to install or not install ?
[10:13] <nmcunix> good idea or bad idea ?
[10:14] <sixwheeledbeast> If your machine works without it and your not sure leave it alone?
[10:15] <nmcunix> yeah true .. i just have one of those Dell Inspiron 15 7559 laptops ..
[10:15] <nmcunix> gives beans with all distros
[10:16] <nmcunix> because of the intel / nvidia graphics
[10:16] <nmcunix> wasnt sure if the microcode had anything to do with the intel graphic
[10:19] <sixwheeledbeast> Microcode is CPU related, from memory it's a patch from the chip manufacturer added at boot, this would stop the need to apply the patch with a BIOS flash.
[12:18] <jasir> hello
[12:21] <SuperEngineer> jasir: hello
[12:56] <peter__> moin
[15:39] <klavinsigors> Hello, is this the help channel for Ubuntu MATE?
[17:10] <HoppingMadMan> Has anyone lost the wifi indicator after updating?
[19:40] <raspi_noob> alis list channels
[19:40] <raspi_noob> alis
[21:57] <seba_> join


[16:59] <bdrung> asac: what do you think about moving mozilla-devscripts from the Ubuntu Mozilla Team to the Debian mozext team?
[17:01] <asac> bdrung: no strong opinion either way. whatever you feel is the best home!!
[17:01] <asac> check with chrisccoulson in case
[17:01] <bdrung> asac, chrisccoulson: what else is in m-d besides the scripts for xul extensions?
[17:02] <asac> iirc it was logic to easily produce new upstream tarballs etc.
[17:02] <asac> but not sure anymore
[17:02] <asac> ok off to sports
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we still use that bit, for now
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> that's likely to change in the coming week or so though
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> other than that, ubufox uses it to build, and that's about it
[17:03] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: what uses ubufox? the normal xul-ext tools?
[17:03] <bdrung> asac: will you remain uploader of m-d?
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[17:05] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: anything against moving m-d completely to Debian (maintainer -> pkg-mozext team, vcs -> git) and throwing the old stuff out (will be synced in 12.04)?
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, i don't mind. i have no strong opinion either way
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> it's up to you :)
[17:08] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: ok, i will do that then. only dh_xul-ext, install-xpi, xpi-pack, xpi-repack, xpi-unpack, moz-version, and xpi.mk will remain. anything else that should stay?
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, no, i think that's ok
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> we'll stop using all of the other bits in the next week or so, hopefully
[17:09] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: that would be a reason to call the next upload 1.0 :)
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, are you coming to uds-p btw?
[17:10] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: probably not, but i plan to come to uds-q
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, oh, you're going to miss out on the nice relaxing pool ;)
[17:13] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: then i have to go to a  thermal bath instead :)
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[17:14] <bdrung> we have one ~ 40 km away
[17:14] <bdrung> it's a little cheaper than a flight and doesn't take a week :)
[17:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are you finally switching us to source format 3?
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> micahg, oh, not yet. i hate source format 3
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> source format 3 + bzr = suckiness
[17:17] <bdrung> that's a problem of bzr!
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> but i want to fix how we build the tarballs, so that we automatically pull the right translations from upstream rather than having to do it manually
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> and i want to be able to build a release tarball from a set of changeset ID's (from the upstream buildbot config), so that we don't have to wait for tagging
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> and i also want to add the mozilla rev to the thunderbird package version number for dailies
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> it's just going to be simpler for me to rewrite the whole lot rather than adding more bandaids ;)
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> nice, i stripped the lightning tarball down to 6MB :)
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> (from 84MB)
[17:24] <micahg> ooh, nice :)
[17:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: maybe you can fix that broken nobinonly issue in thunderbird also, last time I dug into it I ended up spawning an endless loop and DOSing myself :-/
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, i'll fix that too
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> right, lightning uploading
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i keep getting empty menus in thunderbird
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> but not in firefox
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> and now i just hit this - https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-20be4c72-f8ca-4a36-8008-184352110901
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll be upgrading to oneiric over the weekend, so will be able to stress test TB7
[17:32]  * micahg has ~300k e-mails cached
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> have you seen thunderbird in oneiric?
[17:38] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: m-d was moved to http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-mozext/mozilla-devscripts.git
[17:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, not since v5
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, cool, thanks
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg, there's a small screenshot in http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/08/visual-rundown-oneiric-update-11-10-unity-software-centre-icon/
[17:40] <micahg> I've got to try to update seamonkey once you get the new packaging scheme ready
[17:52] <debfx> chrisccoulson: you have an IP over Avian Carriers network connection? :D
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> heh, indeed :)
[17:55]  * micahg loves that RFC
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> right, that's lightning and enigmail updated everywhere :)
[18:29] <knome> wwwwwd111111aaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[18:29] <micahg> knome: broken keyboard?
[18:30] <knome> oops :)
[18:30] <knome> there is some crap in it
[18:30] <knome> nothing serious
[18:32] <bdrung> don't forget to unplug the keyboard before cleaning it ;)
[18:33] <knome> nah
[18:33] <knome> the occasional "cat on the kb" effect is refreshing
[20:42] <micahg> now I think I got it...
[20:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg, we should probably just set up a dashboard-style page and link to it from the title :)
[20:43] <knome> heh
[20:43] <micahg> would be nice...I wonder if fta will give us the code for his dashboard
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> it's not public?
[20:46] <micahg> idk
[21:18] <dupondje> A big thx to chrisccoulson_  :D
[21:29] <dupondje> closing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-extension/+bug/833508
[21:29] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 833508 in lightning-extension "Lightning is incompatible with Thunderbird 7.0" [Undecided,Fix released]
[21:29] <dupondje> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-extension/+bug/833509
[21:29] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 833509 in lightning-extension "Provider for Google Calendar is incompatible with Thunderbird 7.0" [Undecided,Fix released]
[21:29] <dupondje> :)


[07:13] <green7> If during testing I find a new bug, should I file a new bug and then fill the bug number in the report?
[08:42] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[14:11] <stlsaint> is anyone getting duplicate source.list entires in latest precise 12.04.1 iso's or is this a already filed bug?
[14:11] <stlsaint> I even downloaded precise release iso and run apt-get update and duplicate entires
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Hi stlsaint
[14:12] <stlsaint> smartboyhw: o/
[14:12] <smartboyhw> That should be a new bug
[14:12] <stlsaint> well i have seen bugs dating back to march but no fix and i would like to ensure im not tripping and that others are seeing this before i go filing bugs
[14:13] <smartboyhw> No fix = no fix
[14:15] <stlsaint> it adds in the Debcdrom entries multiple times
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Actually, ask that in #ubuntu-bugs
[15:49] <smartboyhw> BYE!
[16:49] <balloons> ping phillw
[16:49] <phillw> balloons: pong
[16:49] <balloons> phillw, got your email string
[16:49] <balloons> :-)
[16:49] <phillw> okies.
[16:49] <balloons> hehe
[16:49] <balloons> I'm going to go through and reply
[16:50] <balloons> just thought I'd let you know it might take me a bit to do so
[16:52] <phillw> there's no mad rush :)
[16:53] <balloons> phillw, the short story is that yes cadence testing is not well supported tool wish
[16:53] <balloons> *wise
[16:54] <balloons> and it looks like you may have found the original conversation that triggered us undertakng it
[16:54] <phillw> wel, karl did... he's been getting himself upto speed on it so better to understand it.
[16:55] <phillw> and in so doing, has helped me understand things better :)
[16:55] <balloons> I'll write more in my reply, but as you likely saw in the email, our original plan for the cycle was to test milestones, starting a few days early to help lower respins and give devs more time to finalize before the milestone
[16:56] <balloons> the basic idea was, during the milestone we have to exhaustively test all the images and then re-test when there are re-spins
[16:56] <balloons> that's no fun to have a respin
[16:56] <balloons> so if we take a little time to find the serious bugs but running a test or two before we generate the iso's during the milestone we can avoid this
[16:56] <phillw> I know, it does stress the testers!
[16:57] <balloons> in other words, when we spin a milestone iso, we should have every reason to believe it will pass all the tests
[16:57] <balloons> we test it and release it.. no respins
[16:59] <phillw> as long as you keep your fingers crossed for the installer ;)
[16:59] <balloons> this overall in my mind should have reduced the stress and respin count.. since we were NOT going to exhaustively test the daily before the actual milestone testing, it should have been less work. and if we found a bug, the devs could take a few days and fix it before pushing an image
[16:59] <balloons> again, if you push a milestone image and you want testing on it.. me finding a bug should be an exception, not a normal event
[17:00] <balloons> especially one large enough to cause a respin
[17:00] <balloons> tis but one opinion :-)
[17:01] <phillw> the freeze to qa seems to have consistently been late. This reduces the time for testing / bug fixing. If we say 5 days before a milestone, then doing it 3 days before is not right.


[14:35] <xnox> Laney, i am suspicious about ros-ros-comm adt test on cosmic on i386 triggered by python2.7/2.7.15-4ubuntu4 -> has it been continiously running for multiple hours now; killing the VM to oblivion, and autopkgtest cloud continiously auto-restarting it, or some such?
[14:35] <xnox> Laney, it should only take just over an hour to complete, but it seems to be actually running and running for hours, and I think I did catch a running log with a much higher command, than the current command9 before.
[14:37] <Laney> how many should it have?
[14:37] <Laney> try running it locally?
[14:38] <xnox> i think command24 is the highest.
[14:38] <xnox> also no idea why i started talking in this channel
[14:38] <Laney> good for it to have some activity :-)
[14:39] <Laney> it could be that it times out
[14:39] <Laney> and we need to put it in long_tests or something
[14:59] <xnox> Laney, but like i see no long / test runs about it from the results page...
[14:59] <xnox> Laney, are there any more logs that you might have access about it? It does look suspicious.
[14:59] <xnox> i.e. i'd would want to know if it was autorestarted or not.
[14:59] <xnox> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-ros-ros-comm
[15:07] <Laney> it finished?!?!?!
[15:10] <xnox> Laney, well yeah, weird. now waiting 5-10 minutes for the results to appear in all the right pages.
[15:10] <xnox> Laney, must be scared of you logging-in ;-)
[15:10] <Laney> heh
[15:13] <xnox> Laney, it's back from the dead. running "still" now at 2h.... http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-ros-ros-comm
[15:13] <xnox> Laney, did it restart?
[15:14] <xnox> it's done command1 and now doing command2, when i pinged you it was at command9 at least.
[15:14] <xnox> so it did jump back.
[15:14] <xnox> i fear it might be doing this in perpetuity.
[15:19] <Laney> ok lemme save the log
[15:19] <Laney> catch it in the act of being naughty
[15:34] <Laney> Timed out waiting for ssh. Aborting! Console log:
[15:34] <Laney> ------- nova console-log b6f59c2d-bad8-46fe-9399-9ca91765b66c (adt-cosmic-i386-ros-ros-comm-20181003-131224) ------
[15:34] <Laney> ---------------------------------------------------
[15:35] <Laney> ------- nova console-log af7053b5-66b5-4396-a600-a3b09634f399 (adt-cosmic-i386-ros-ros-comm-20181003-131224) ------
[15:35] <Laney> ERROR (CommandError): No server with a name or ID of 'af7053b5-66b5-4396-a600-a3b09634f399' exists.
[15:35] <Laney> ---------------------------------------------------
[15:35] <Laney> ERROR (CommandError): Unable to delete the specified server(s).
[15:37] <Laney> dunno what that even means, the server failed to provision??????
[15:44] <xnox> muahahhaha
[15:46] <xnox> Laney, meanwhile, it seems to me, it is written like that, because they did not want to write a shell script.
[15:46] <xnox> Laney, i think all of this can run on a single VM.... instead of gazzilion VMs.
[15:47] <Laney> it does mean they get separate results which can be nice
[15:48] <Laney> but maybe this is taking it a bit far
[15:58] <xnox> if separates logs is important, i can create separate logs in artifacts per test-command.....
[15:58] <xnox> 144 VMs vs 6 VMs is imho a change worth doing here
[15:59] <xnox> given no deps are conflicting, and there is no breaks-testbed, and there is no needs-root, etc
[15:59] <xnox> this is abuse of resources
[16:01] <Laney> in the future we'll have the ability to skip / track regressions per test
[16:01] <Laney> in that sense splitting your tests up in to separate autopkgtests is sensible
[16:02] <Laney> but I wouldn't object if you were to consolidate this a bit :-)
[16:02] <xnox> well, ideally we would want some kind of a reporting api thing, such that a single test can export a report of multiple tests.
[16:02] <Laney> it'll probably eventually finish by luck
[16:02] <xnox> this runs trivial single g++ on a oneline file, testing api compilation.....
[16:03] <Laney> yes OK, that probably doesn't need to be N different tests ...
[16:03]  * Laney didn't look at what they actually are
[16:03] <xnox> sure.
[16:03] <xnox> if not these failures, i wouldn't either =)
[16:05] <xnox> in total it is a 35s test; with hours of VM setups =)
[16:08] <Laney> ;_;
[16:09] <Laney> CLOUD!
[16:44] <Laney> it got up to test 11 this time and I'm about to have to go :(
[16:44] <Laney> 12*
[16:45] <Laney> stupid thing


[03:13] <arraybolt3[m]> I have a possibly silly question. I see that the zlib and libpng use the same license. I'm dealing with a project that had all of libpng included in it, and am writing the debian/copyright file for it. I think I can mark the libpng section as licensed under the zlib license according to this site: https://opensource.org/licenses/Zlib But I can see that older versions of libpng used a different license, and I'm wondering - do I
[03:13] <arraybolt3[m]> need to include all of that? If so, I should use libpng as the short name rather than zlib and then include the whole long thing. Which way is more preferable?
[03:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (If you're wondering why on earth this project incorporates libpng rather than using the version installed on the system, that's how upstream decided to do it, who am I to question them?)
[08:52] <xypron> I am looking for a sponsor for LP #1986664.
[11:29] <mitya57> sil2100: Hi! This week bileto builds get stuck for an hour. For example, this one: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/4900/build/5/info/
[11:29] <mitya57> 2022-08-15 19:46:19,755 INFO Point of no return! Job can no longer be cancelled.
[11:29] <mitya57> 2022-08-15 20:46:30,667 INFO Uploaded kinetic/compiz to PPA.
[11:29] <mitya57> And later they fail with psycopg2.OperationalError. Can you please look when you have time?
[11:41] <sil2100> mitya57: hey! hm, I'll try taking a look
[11:42] <mitya57> Here is an example from today: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/4903/build/2/
[12:32] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, hm, any quick tips on how to revert a delta I added to a debian package and make it a sync again, when there is no new debian upload yet?
[12:32] <ahasenack> debian is 4.4.0-4, my upload was 4.4.0-4ubuntu1
[12:32] <ahasenack> bite the bullet, do a 4ubuntu2 without the delta, and when debian 4.4.0-5 comes along, sync it?
[12:34] <rbasak> Yeah that works. I think there was some other thing mentioned on ubuntu-devel@ recently
[12:34]  * rbasak looks
[12:35] <ahasenack> maybe upload 4.4.0-4.1, or 4.4.0-5~build1 (ugh)?
[12:35] <ahasenack> unsure if I can upload something without an ubuntu suffix, though
[12:35] <rbasak> You can. There's no limitation there.
[12:37] <rbasak> Here's the thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2022-May/042099.html
[12:37] <ahasenack> "Version string to auto-sync an Ubuntu delta (maysync1 vs ~willsync1)
[12:37] <ahasenack> "
[12:37] <ahasenack> that one?
[12:37] <ahasenack> yep
[12:39] <rbasak> I'm not sure that really helps here.
[12:41] <rbasak> It used to be the norm for everyone to check their own TIL using grep-merges in time for feature freeze.
[12:41] <rbasak> That method would work.
[12:41] <rbasak> Which reminded me that I should do that.
[12:41] <rbasak> Looks like I have a few :-/
[12:42] <ahasenack> I subscribe to the debian tracker for the packages I touched
[12:42] <ahasenack> works quite well
[12:43] <ahasenack> hm, I can't use `maysync` here because it's lower than ubuntu
[12:43] <rbasak> Right
[12:43] <rbasak> That's what I meant by "not sure that really helps here"
[12:43] <ahasenack> i can use willsync, but that creates the problem if we need another ubuntu update to the package before the sync happens
[12:43] <rbasak> Right :)
[12:44] <rbasak> Turns out that overloading the version string like this doesn't really work
[12:44] <rbasak> (or, at least, breaks these edge cases)
[12:44] <ahasenack> I guess 4.4.0-4ubuntu2 is the easiest one to understand, even though it will have zero delta
[12:44] <ahasenack> or 4.4.0-5~build1 perhaps
[12:44] <ahasenack> is that too ugly?
[12:45]  * ahasenack searches for prior art
[12:46] <rbasak> I would use ubuntu2 I think.
[12:46] <rbasak> The later merge will be trivial. We just have to notice and do it; that's all.
[12:46] <ahasenack> what about 4.4.0-4u3?
[12:48] <ahasenack> I mean, 4.4.0-4u2
[12:48] <ahasenack> too mysterious?
[12:48] <ahasenack> the changelog would make it clear what happened
[12:48] <ahasenack> I'll email that thread and wait a few hours
[12:50] <rbasak> 4.4.0-4u2 is lower than the current 4.4.0-4ubuntu1 though I think? It's the same issue.
[12:50] <rbasak> You can't switch back and forth without running out of hacks.
[12:51] <rbasak> Since they have to be ordered
[12:51] <ahasenack> oh? I didn't test yet, but it was mentioned as one alternative in that thread
[12:51] <ahasenack> let me check
[12:51] <ahasenack> ah
[12:51] <ahasenack> hmpf
[12:51] <ahasenack> or keep using u3, u4, u5
[12:52] <ahasenack> yeah, it's lower
[12:52] <rbasak> I suppose it's possible to use -1ubuntu1 -> -1willsync1 -> -1willsync1notreally1ubuntu1 -> -1willsync1really1 etc
[12:53] <rbasak> I think it's cleaner to just forget about it and use grep-merges/TIL.
[13:12] <ahasenack> yeah
[13:32] <ahasenack> I *could* use 4.4.0-5~willsync1
[13:33] <ahasenack> just like ~build1, but with a somewhat clearer indication that it's not just a rebuild, but an intent-to-sync
[13:33] <ahasenack> and we we then add delta, hm, ubuntu is lower than w
[13:33] <ahasenack> oh well
[13:33] <ahasenack> rabbit hole warning
[13:33] <ahasenack> in that sense, 4.4.0-5~build1 is better, we can still use 4.4.0-5~ubuntu1
[13:33] <ahasenack> later
[13:36] <rbasak> schopin: please could you merge ruby-mysql2?
[13:38] <rbasak> Logan_: please could you merge rp-pppoe?
[14:39] <ueberall> Hi. Anyone knows why it's now possible to copy files into non-existent directories in debian/rules Makefiles on Debian Sid, but the same (still) fails on Ubuntu Kinetic/Jammy/Focal? (See OpenSSL 3.0.5-2, for example.)
[15:01] <oSoMoN> sil2100, bug #1985066 points out that with refresh app awareness being enabled by default, updates to the firefox snap won't be installed while it is running. This is true, can we maybe add a line in the release notes to make it explicit?
[16:28] <ogra> oSoMoN, they will be applied ... but with a 60day delay 😉
[16:29] <ogra> (after the timer runs out, you get a forced upgrade even with the app running)
[16:30] <oSoMoN> ogra, right, but coming from 20.04 where firefox was delivered as a deb and upgraded silently in the background (being a security update), this is indeed a change in the default behaviour
[16:31] <ogra> yeah


[02:09] <torontoyes> popey, I've never ported, anything noteworthy about porting for Galaxy note III?
[02:53] <ahoneybun> big screen
[08:01] <speck84> Good morning guys
[08:02] <speck84> I rady with my first mobile app. can somebdy tell me how can i publish it?
[08:02] <speck84> Click file is done
[08:09] <Mister_Q> speck84: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/
[08:09] <speck84> thx
[08:11] <Mister_Q> ;)
[08:38] <robert_ancell> How do I find out which SDKs are active on current devices? If I target 15.04 will that work on everything out there or only new devices?
[08:53] <robert_ancell> or in other words, what version is the BQ phone using? System Settings>About this Phone>OS
[09:17] <Mister_Q> robert_ancell: 14.10
[09:17] <robert_ancell> Mister_Q, thanks
[09:23] <Mister_Q> robert_ancell: but i think the bq device will get updates too
[09:24] <robert_ancell> Mister_Q, yeah, on G+ it was said the next update should be 15.04
[09:25] <Mister_Q> right
[09:29] <ogra_> all phones get the same updates usually ... and yes, the next stable update is based on 15.04
[10:22] <SturmFlut> popey: Ping
[10:40] <popey> SturmFlut: sup
[11:58] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: Ping
[11:58] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, yo
[11:58] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: Well, I'm an idiot, just tried FLAC playback in the music app and naturally it works immediately
[11:58] <ahayzen> \o/
[11:59] <SturmFlut> Will publish a correction immediately
[11:59] <ahayzen> haha thanks :-)
[11:59] <SturmFlut> Sorry for the accusation ;)
[11:59] <ahayzen> it could have been mediascanner2 being slow, or something weird, but no worries
[12:00] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: Is there a list of supported audio filetypes?
[12:00]  * ogra_ only uses flac ... i could have told you it works :P
[12:00] <ahayzen> "anything gstreamer supports"
[12:00] <ahayzen> or that we have the gst packages installed for...
[12:00] <ogra_> well, rather anything andoid supports ... plus some gst software fallbacks
[12:01] <ahayzen> ah ok
[12:02] <ogra_> gstreamer-hybris (not sure it is called like that) does all the HW decoding ...
[12:03] <ahayzen> oh yeah i see that
[12:03] <ahayzen> and we have -plugins-{good,bad} and the mp3 one
[12:04] <ogra_> right
[12:04] <ahayzen> or parts of bad at least
[12:07] <Walex> I have ULTS 14.04 on a desktop and UT 14.10 on a Aquaris 4.5 and I haven't been able to find a way to access files on the SD card. Is that a known thing?
[12:08] <Walex> acces them via MTP from the desktop.
[12:08] <ogra_> Walex, make sure the screen is unlocked and you have libmtp from the pahblet-tools PPA installed
[12:08] <ogra_> *phablet-tools
[12:09] <ogra_> (well, the latter night not be necessary anymore, i think that libmtp version should have been SRUed into 14.04.2)
[12:11] <ogra_> hmm, or not ... looking at the trusty package
[12:14] <Walex> ogra_: looking...
[12:15] <ogra_> aha
[12:15] <ogra_> Walex, bug 1376212
[12:16] <Walex> will have a look at the bug. I can seem to access *something* but not the SD card.
[12:17] <ogra_> and https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools
[12:17] <Walex> is there a list of stuff that people would expect to work but does not? (e.g. SIM contacts, MTP, GPS fix, so far for me).
[12:18] <ogra_> sim contacts and gps are fixed in the upcoming OTA ... which you should get next week
[12:18] <Walex> they are all work-in-progress yes
[12:18] <ogra_> and MPT is most likely an issue of your PC
[12:18] <ogra_> *MTP
[12:18] <mpt> I am always an issue
[12:18] <ogra_> haha
[12:18] <ogra_> nah, we all love you :)
[12:19] <Walex> even if you squat in my PC, but I got lots of RAM and disk :-)
[12:26] <Walex> ogra_: yes, the PPA MTP tools can now see the external SD card too.
[12:28] <Walex> but not 'gmtp' will try something else
[12:30] <SturmFlut> ogra_, ahayzen: Does "gst-inspect" return the full list of plugins and codecs on the phone? Or are there some additional things hidden in the Android layer?
[12:31] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, i'm not sure, jhodapp is probably the best to ask when he is about
[12:33] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: Thanks. The list looks pretty complete to me already, but more input would be nice
[12:41] <Walex> 'gnomad2' seems to work-ish
[12:44] <Walex> 'jmtpfs' works pretty well
[15:09] <jhodapp> SturmFlut, it does, yes
[15:10] <SturmFlut> jhodapp: Thanks!
[15:11] <jhodapp> SturmFlut, np
[15:11] <SturmFlut> http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/31/ubuntu-touch-app-wishlist-may-2015/ Any additions/corrections?
[15:22] <brunch875> SturmFlut, thanks for that list
[15:22] <SturmFlut> brunch875: yw!
[15:23] <SturmFlut> Still needs a lot of work, but seems to be interesting enough for a lot of people.
[15:33] <BOHverkill> SturmFlut: that is my lists http://www.bohverkill.org/downloads/missingapps.md
[16:36] <dkessel> sturmflut2: a cat game is missing! like "Cat Alone 2" for Android, for example...
[16:43] <dkessel> (more suited to tablets, but hey... ubuntu touch runs on the nexus 7 ;)
[16:44] <SturmFlut> jhodapp: Ping
[16:51] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Ping
[16:55] <peat-psuwit> Why channel ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed gives me willy-based image? Is this expected?
[17:47] <gihel> hi guys. SturmFlut: a native xmpp/jabber app is missing
[17:48] <SturmFlut> gihel: Thanks, I put it on next months list.
[18:30] <K1773R> gihel: including OTR
[19:04] <SturmFlut> jamesh_: Ping
[19:36] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: Ping
[19:36] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, yo
[19:36] <SturmFlut> (you have an incredible latency for a sunday)
[19:36] <SturmFlut> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1460464
[19:36] <ahayzen> haha i'm a student ;-)
[19:36] <SturmFlut> I would have set the Importance to "Wishlist", but apparently I can't
[19:37] <ahayzen> hmm swear we've had something liek that request before
[19:38] <ahayzen> i can change it to wishlist, but i think it would go against media-hub not us
[19:38] <SturmFlut> Probably against gstreamer in the end, but I didn't know where to file it
[19:39] <ahayzen> just add media-hub to the affected and then jhodapp will get around to assigning it hehe ;-)
[19:39] <ahayzen> brb
[19:39] <SturmFlut> Okay, done
[20:16] <nik90> mzanetti: hey I got fahrplan building and running using QtC on the phone...not sure what the problem was..I just removed the whole folder and git cloned it again
[21:34] <nik90> mzanetti: https://github.com/smurfy/fahrplan/pull/205 transitions fahrplan to the ubuntu-sdk-15.04 along with the new listitems and a couple of bug fixes.
[22:54] <trickvi> Elleo: hey, I just wanted to check how things are going with keyboard layout reviewing and if there was something you want me to fix
[22:56] <Elleo> trickvi: they're all reviewed, they're just waiting to land at the moment; unfortunately they won't make it into OTA 4 though, but they should be in the devel-proposed images some time next week
[23:15] <trickvi> Elleo: ah! thanks! How do you keep track of what's reviewed and what's not?
[23:16] <trickvi> There's no status change nor any comments
[23:16] <trickvi> and since I'm unclear about the whole process, does this mean they'll be in OTA 5?
[23:28] <Elleo> trickvi: yeah, there's MRs are handled a bit differently, because they all touch similar bits of code they'd end up with conflicts if we tried merging them all individually, so there's a big branch that brings them all together (and fixes a number of issues in some of the layouts) here: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-keyboard/layout-improvements
[23:29] <Elleo> trickvi: and yes, I they should be in OTA 5
[23:29] <Elleo> -I*
[23:29] <Elleo> s/there's/these/
[23:30] <Elleo> trickvi: some of the work I'm doing at the moment is also moving us a lot closer to being able to distribute keyboard layouts as click packages, so once that's ready anyone will be able to create layouts and add them to the store immediately


[00:44] <james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/663168
[00:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 663168 in summit "http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/track/other/ returns an error (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[00:44] <james_w> that sounds like an old django bug to me
[00:44] <james_w> https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/models/querysets/#get
[00:44] <james_w> is the first entry in the section "Methods that do not return QuerySets"
[00:45] <cjohnston> Mark invalid and tell to reopen if needed
[00:45] <cjohnston> ?
[00:46] <cjohnston> o.. that might be prior to initslots being run
[00:50] <james_w> unless somehow the query is somehow returning a QuerySet
[02:09] <mhall119> james_w: I marked that bug as critical because they said they put in place a 'bandaid' fix, which I wanted to check up on and clean up if necessary
[04:12] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I've my hands full with enough things besides dev and I prefer poking proding and gentle harassing
[04:12] <czajkowski> it's more me
[17:29] <mhall119> james_w: cjohnston: nigelb: any objections to me killing the stable series now that trunk is in production?
[17:30] <nigelb> go. kill.
[17:31] <cjohnston> mhall119: I thought you were the one wanting to keep stable so that trunk could be unstable
[17:32] <nigelb> No
[17:33] <nigelb> we don't let trunk be unstable anymore apparently.
[17:40] <mhall119> nigelb: trunk is no longer unstable
[17:40] <nigelb> That too.
[17:40] <cjohnston> I thought you were wanting to allow it to be unstable mhall119
[17:41] <mhall119> cjohnston: when I thought we were going to do major work on render.py this cycle I did
[17:41] <mhall119> but that didn't happen, so we're back to just trunk and production
[17:41] <nigelb> cjohnston: can you mark the render.py item as POSTPONED
[17:41] <mhall119> if/when we end up doing that, we'll make a new unstable branch
[17:41] <cjohnston> ok
[17:41] <nigelb> mhall119: Please make that High priority for next cycle when you discuss at UDS.
[17:41] <cjohnston> you going to be at the meetings nigelb ?
[17:42] <cjohnston> and then are you going to help us next cycle? :-
[17:42] <nigelb> If its in the first half the day
[17:42] <cjohnston> :-P
[17:42] <nigelb> that will depend on a lot of things.
[17:42] <nigelb> But I will finish what I started :)
[17:42] <nigelb> I won't take "new" responsibilities
[17:42] <nigelb> but I'll take the carried over ones for sure
[17:43] <mhall119> nigelb: I'm leaning towards "replace render.py screens" rather than attempting to "refactor render.py" or "cleanup render.py"
[17:43]  * cjohnston assigns render.py to nigelb for next session
[17:43] <nigelb> mhall119: Yes, replace.
[17:43] <cjohnston> render.py is postponed
[17:43] <nigelb> With a lot of templates and macros
[17:43] <nigelb> mhall119: We should also improve our infra.
[17:44] <nigelb> What do you think of setting up jenkins? ;)
[17:44] <nigelb> and if jenkins can do auto-push to the ec2, that'd be splendid.
[17:44] <mhall119> how much work is it?
[17:44] <nigelb> I can do the work, give me a server :-)
[17:44] <nigelb> I did this for $DAYJOB
[17:44] <mhall119> or could we just have tarmac run the django test suite before landing
[17:44] <nigelb> that too
[17:45] <cjohnston> nigelb: what does [summit-hackers] on blueprints set the session summary page as the wiki page: TODO mean
[17:45] <nigelb> But that would make tarmac slower
[17:45] <nigelb> we wanted to pull the session summary from blueprints to summit
[17:45] <nigelb> and show it for ical especially
[17:45] <nigelb> still doable if you want to poke it
[17:46] <cjohnston> i thought that was different..
[17:46] <cjohnston> thats bug #793018
[17:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 793018 in summit "Pull the summary from the launchpad blueprint and push it out via the iCal to Guidebook (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793018
[17:46] <nigelb> OR
[17:47] <nigelb> It might be pushing the session eitherpad page to launchpad
[17:47] <nigelb> But I don't remember that being talked about
[17:47] <nigelb> Anyway, we can't do it this cycle.
[17:47] <cjohnston> im trying to figure out delete vs postpone... if noone knows what it is then delete
[17:51]  * mhall119 is impatient when it comes to tarmac
[17:52] <nigelb> mhall119: I'll take an action item to help with that :)
[17:53] <cjohnston> make a slap tarmac link that we can hit
[17:53] <mhall119> nigelb: you gonna make me more patient?
[17:53] <nigelb> mhall119: No.
[17:53] <nigelb> I'll give you a link to hit
[17:53] <nigelb> I need to add lock files so we don't have simultaneous runs
[17:54] <cjohnston> mhall119: the imported blueprint is meeting model type blueprint I assume?
[17:55] <nigelb> yes
[17:55] <mhall119> yes
[17:55] <cjohnston> jamalta:
[18:10]  * cjohnston nominates jamalta as new lead for summit
[18:10] <jamalta> no way :P
[18:10] <nigelb> I propose cjohnston
[18:10] <jamalta> nigelb: +1
[18:10] <nigelb> mhall119?
[18:10] <cjohnston> nigelb: you can't propose the person who assigned you
[18:11] <nigelb> It depends
[18:11] <cjohnston> no it doesnt
[18:11] <nigelb> At the end of the majority vote wins as well ;)
[18:11] <cjohnston> this isnt a democracy
[18:11] <nigelb> I thought you were all for demcracy?
[18:12] <nigelb> Its a mertocracy. Whoever does the work gets the job.
[18:12] <nigelb> :P
[18:12] <cjohnston> no.. whoever does the work gets to pick
[18:15] <nigelb> james_w / mhall119 - relevant to yesterday http://people.mozilla.org/~jdow/deploy.jpg
[18:17] <mhall119> ha
[18:18] <jamalta> +1
[18:28] <mhall119> is james_w around today?
[18:34] <mhall119> cjohnston: nigelb: can one of you review https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/fix-tests/+merge/75795 ?
[18:37] <nigelb> mhall119: I'll go one up on that. reviewed and landed.
[18:38] <mhall119> thanks nigelb
[18:38] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm concerned. model_mummy is becoming more painful.
[18:38] <nigelb> Is there a way to make it accept defaults
[18:39] <mhall119> nigelb: possibly, I'm not sure
[18:39] <mhall119> I think it's still worth using though
[18:39] <nigelb> Totally worth using!
[18:39] <nigelb> But when we change something, lot of tests might break
[18:47] <mhall119> nigelb: which tells us that our tests are no longer valid and need to be changed as well
[18:47] <mhall119> which is a good thing
[18:47] <nigelb> mhall119: at some point I'll exlain how launchpad tests work.
[18:48]  * AlanBell fixes another bug in https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/loco-directory/backbutton/+merge/73526
[18:48] <nigelb> we can just say makeProduct() and it will take some random values.
[18:48] <nigelb> I can override any property I wwant to.
[18:54] <mhall119> nigelb: is that something the LP devs created, or something they get from using Zope?
[18:54] <nigelb> I'll have to check.
[18:54] <nigelb> mhall119: created
[18:55] <james_w> mhall119, I am
[18:55] <nigelb> mhall119: not too hard either
[18:55] <nigelb> we should do something like that
[18:56] <nigelb> s/should/could
[18:56] <nigelb> Its not eeasy
[18:57] <james_w> mhall119, it's all custom code
[18:57] <james_w> it's better than model_mommy though in my opinion
[18:57] <mhall119> james_w: I landed pretty much everythiing and updated the ec2 with teh latest trunk
[18:57] <james_w> model_mommy is *almost* right
[18:57] <james_w> yay, thanks mhall119
[18:57] <james_w> just that last little bit is *so* wrong
[18:57] <nigelb> heh
[18:58] <mhall119> james_w: I had to go back and update some test cases to force requires_dial_in=False for older tests
[18:58] <james_w> it should create non-random readable strings by default
[18:58] <nigelb> We could wrap around model mummy to create such a factory.
[18:58] <james_w> mhall119, I guess that should be the default on the model?
[18:58] <james_w> nigelb, maybe, yeah
[18:58] <mhall119> james_w: it seems that model_mommy doesn't use the default, it still goes random
[18:58] <james_w> mhall119, it's docs say it should use the default if there is one, I'll look in to it
[18:59] <james_w> nigelb, in fact a subclass can likely fix it
[18:59] <mhall119> I ran pdb, and it was setting some to True
[18:59] <james_w> keeping the current mode as an optional fuzzer would be good
[18:59] <nigelb> james_w: \o/
[18:59] <mhall119> fuzz testing, fun
[18:59] <nigelb> We may be hacking around model_mummy in the wrong way.
[18:59] <james_w> deterministic tests are great
[18:59] <james_w> having a fuzzer to find problems when you want is also good
[19:01] <james_w> I might spend my afternoon on that in fact
[19:01] <james_w> let's see what my mail client says about that
[19:01] <nigelb> james_w: when I meet you again, I'm buying you a beer! :-)
[19:01] <mhall119> james_w: or you can do a production deployment of summit if you want, there's only the one migration, and no major changes
[19:01] <james_w> mhall119, ok, I can do that
[19:02] <james_w> it's Friday what can go wrong!
[19:02] <mhall119> who cares, everybody's gone home anyway
[19:03] <james_w> jamalta, nice bug fix! :-)
[19:03] <mhall119> I assume it works anyway
[19:03] <mhall119> since it calls LP using urllib2, I couldn't write a test case without mocking
[19:04] <jamalta> james_w: ha ty
[19:04] <jamalta> mhall119: well, should that be re-written to use launchpadlib instead?
[19:04] <mhall119> I don't think that particular bit is exposed via launchpadlib
[19:04] <mhall119> or at least it wasn't when it was written
[19:04] <jamalta> ahh
[19:07] <mhall119> appears to work
[19:20] <james_w> ah screwy, model_mommy explicitly ignores defaults on boolean fields
[19:20] <james_w> as django apparently sets a default on them


[12:20] <LaserJock> hi pygi
[12:20] <pygi> hey Laser
[12:20] <pygi> how is it going?
[12:33] <LaserJock> it's going
[12:33] <LaserJock> sorry, was afk
[12:34] <LaserJock> working on some Edubuntu stuff
[12:34] <LaserJock> and research
[12:36] <pygi> no problems
[12:50] <LaserJock> pygi: how are you doing these days?
[12:51] <pygi> LaserJock, pretty good, but very tired
[12:52] <LaserJock> sounds like me :-)
[12:52] <pygi> hehe
[02:16] <Rob_> Hello to all
[02:17] <Rob_> I just downloaded edubuntu, and I am trying to get it to run on my Dell Precision 530
[02:18] <Rob_> It boots fine and then it stops and exits to a shell and says that it could not open the tty.
[02:18] <Rob_> Any ideas?
[02:20] <LaserJock> Rob_: which Edubuntu disk are you using?
[02:20] <Rob_> 7.04 PCx86
[02:20] <Rob_> Desktop
[02:20] <LaserJock> ok
[02:21] <LaserJock> I'm not great with the Desktop CDs
[02:21] <LaserJock> they've always worked pretty fine for me
[02:21] <LaserJock> are you wanting to install Edubuntu?
[02:21] <Rob_> Sure. It may be that I have a bad disk
[02:22] <LaserJock> you should be able to run the disk check when you boot the CD
[02:22] <Rob_> It does the same thing with that\
[02:22] <LaserJock> oh
[02:22] <LaserJock> that's no good
[02:23] <LaserJock> you can do a checksum on the .iso
[02:23] <LaserJock> that's the first place a disk can go wrong
[02:23] <Rob_> It may be the disk.
[02:23] <LaserJock> if that's ok then you can try reburning
[02:23] <Rob_> I did the checksum and it is good
[02:23] <LaserJock> ok
[02:23] <Rob_> I will re-burn the disk
[02:23] <Rob_> Can you burn the iso to a dvd?
[02:24] <LaserJock> ok, so back to a previous question, are you wanting to install Edubuntu or just check it out?
[02:24] <LaserJock> yes, you can
[02:24] <Rob_> Check it out.
[02:24] <Rob_> We homeschool, and I would like to see what it offers.
[02:25] <LaserJock> cool
[02:25] <LaserJock> I was homeschooled
[02:25] <Rob_> bbiaf
[02:32] <Rob_> i'm back
[02:32] <Rob_> Laser: any ideas?
[02:33] <LaserJock> well, you could try reburning
[02:34] <Rob_> thanks--gotta go take care of the kids
[11:30] <tristan_> anyone experience with a multiseat thin client setup in edubuntu?
[02:13] <bronze> tristan_: aren't all LTSP setup inherently multi-seat?  or are you talking about multiple users per thin client?
[02:14] <tristan_> i was talking about the last one
[02:15] <tristan_> when I have to buy a PC for each client it doesn't make sense anymore to use thin clients ;p
[02:18] <bronze> use the $139 units from devon IT
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont need the whole pc, so it makes a fiar bit of sense in a lot of cases
[02:18] <tristan_> well, I already have an old PC which may do the job
[02:18] <tristan_> and it's capable to do multiseat things
[02:19] <tristan_> but I want to use thin clients to gain more power (since the server has more CPU power)
[02:19] <tristan_> and more memory
[02:19] <bronze> then use that.  be aware it wont save you any money on pwer consumption.
[02:19] <bronze> *power
[02:20] <bronze> Unless you calculate power used per seat, which is a win.
[02:21] <tristan_> but is it possible to make a multiseat thin client?
[02:23] <tristan_> I buy some cables and a switch today anyway, to give it a try
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> i still dont get what multiseat means
[02:24] <tristan_> multiple keyboards,monitors,mouses
[02:24] <bronze> on a single CPU
[02:24] <tristan_> yep
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh
[02:40] <pinch150g> Is there anyone that has had experience installing on a Dell Precision 530 workstation?
[02:42] <pinch150g> Anyone here?
[05:27] <tristan_> can anyone tell me if it increase the quality of a thin client when it has 256MB instead of 64 of 128?
[05:27] <tristan_> or 192
[06:10] <tristan_> so
[06:10] <tristan_> screwed my PC
[06:10] <tristan_> :)
[06:17] <nixternal> man, I had one hell of a funny comeback for that one :)
[06:17] <nixternal> tristan_: what happened?
[06:17] <tristan_> i took the dualhead videocard out of my pc
[06:18] <tristan_> and put another old crappy PCI videocard in it
[06:18] <tristan_> and removed the networkcard with bootrom
[06:18] <tristan_> for one gigabit networkcard
[06:18] <tristan_> so I can make a server of it
[06:18] <tristan_> and can put the videocard in this one
[06:18] <tristan_> and the networkcard in my thin client
[06:18] <tristan_> but for some reason it causes some *beep beep*
[06:18] <nixternal> well, you probably didn't screw it to bad...have you tried reconfiguring xorg?
[06:19] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:19] <nixternal> so it doesn't get past bios
[06:19] <tristan_> indeed
[06:19] <tristan_> maybe I should connect the monitor to it
[06:19] <nixternal> have you tried putting the old hardware back in to see if it goes away?
[06:19] <tristan_> and a keyboard
[06:19] <tristan_> and see what happens then
[06:19] <tristan_> :P
[06:20] <tristan_> my thin client doesn't work properly yet either
[06:20] <nixternal> hrmm, possible to have the "halt on all errors" set in bios..but I didn't think that would cause beeps
[06:20] <tristan_> since the videocard or the monitor isn't working
[06:21] <tristan_> never had errors on any PC I builded
[06:21] <tristan_> always were working immediately
[06:21] <tristan_> except that time I forgot to put a fan on the CPU
[06:22] <nixternal> ya, I have had luck with new builds, I tend to destroy systems when I decide to tear them down and clean them out :)
[06:23] <tristan_> may I ask where you're from?
[06:23] <nixternal> chicago unfortunately :)
[06:24] <tristan_> do they have "give-away-stores" there?
[06:24] <tristan_> or something like that?
[06:24] <nixternal> I only wish...we do "give-aways" though at our lug meetings
[06:24] <nixternal> there are some used pc places that I can usually get a good deal on stuff...older usually
[06:26] <tristan_> nixternal: I'm setting up thin clients and stuff for a give-away-store now
[06:26] <tristan_> and free internetspace
[06:26] <nixternal> that rocks
[06:27] <tristan_> and next week or so I want to fix a hotspot too
[06:27] <nixternal> oh...I know what you mean by give-away-store now..ya we do have a couple in chicago actually
[06:27] <tristan_> aah
[06:27] <nixternal> some of the LUG guys and also Free Geek do the same
[06:27] <tristan_> nice :)
[06:27] <tristan_> what is LUG?
[06:28] <tristan_> ohw wait
[06:28] <tristan_> i know
[06:28] <tristan_> :)
[06:29] <tristan_> this is a squat btw
[06:29] <tristan_> how common is squatting there?
[06:30] <cbx33> hey all
[06:30] <nixternal> hiya Petey
[06:30] <cbx33> howz it going nixternal
[06:30] <nixternal> how goeth the Python mastah!
[06:30] <cbx33> hehe
[06:30] <cbx33> yeh good
[06:30] <cbx33> been getting up to some tricks
[06:30] <cbx33> hehe :p
[06:31] <nixternal> I have been learning Python and PyQt4 here lately
[06:31] <cbx33> awesome
[06:31] <cbx33> python just rocks doesn't it
[06:31] <nixternal> I bought a few books that I have been skimming through and using hte Python documentation that is everywhere
[06:31] <cbx33> the python docs I find a great resource
[06:31] <nixternal> Python is nice...for some reason some of the syntax reminds me a little of VB
[06:31] <cbx33> i like the whitespace reliance
[06:31] <nixternal> oh yes
[06:32] <cbx33> makes a messy coder like me write clean readable code
[06:32] <nixternal> hehe
[06:32] <nixternal> I was using Eric to do some Python, but I think I am just to addicted to using Kate
[06:34] <nixternal> well, you know I am rockin' the KDE :)
[06:34] <nixternal> that is why I have stoked that Edubuntu will be featuring some KDE love finally :)
[06:35] <cbx33> yeh
[06:35] <cbx33> that is pretty awesome
[08:16] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[08:24] <encompass> cbx33: have you tried scribes?  That one has some great progress.
[08:38] <pygi> and I'm going to package it pretty soon :)
[09:11] <pygi> encompass, ^_^
[09:17] <encompass> pygi: sup sup
[09:18] <encompass> pygi: oh I see ... cool thanks... not to hard to install strait, but we all know deb is the way to go
[09:19] <jonathan_> Anyone willing to assist w/ an Edubuntu LTSP server setup?
[09:19] <pygi> jonathan_, just ask
[09:19] <pygi> encompass, yup ^_^
[09:20] <pygi> encompass, should be done next week AFAIK
[09:20] <jonathan_> setup has 2 nics one setup dhcp other defaulted to roaming...
[09:20] <jonathan_> the clients don't see a dhcp server
[09:21] <pygi> meh, we should write that somewhere (or did we already?)
[09:21] <jonathan_> how should the second nic be setup?
[09:21] <pygi> I think it's pretty common problem
[09:27] <jonathan_> Do I have to change the dhcpd.conf for my setup?
[09:27] <pygi> /opt/ltsp/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[09:27] <pygi> perhaps, or something
[09:28] <jonathan_> So out of the box, with 2 nics installed, Edubuntu doesn't play...
[09:29] <LaserJock> jonathan_: I think it's supposed to work out of the box
[09:29] <LaserJock> but I'm not positive
[09:30] <LaserJock> you might look in http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[09:30] <tristan_> http://www.edubuntu.org/images/ltsp_inet.png <- it's the suggested config?
[09:30] <jonathan_> tristan yes that's my setup
[09:30] <tristan_> i want to use that setup to
[09:30] <jonathan_> i setup eth1 as dhcp going out to the internets
[09:31] <jonathan_> it did not ask me to setup eth0
[09:31] <tristan_> but in my setup the server also gonna be the webserver voor chillispot
[09:31] <jonathan_> so when i took a look at it in networking, it notated it was roaming
[09:31] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm wondering about that
[09:31] <jonathan_> Laserjock the documentation you gave does not tell you what to do w/ the second nic
[09:35] <jonathan_> checking out some threads... it notates to put a nic at <IP_ADDRESS>


[22:21] <Jordan_U> owen__: If users aren't normally allowed to use incron (is that the case?) then /etc/incron.allow should be configured to allow access for users that are members of a specific group, and all users wanting to use your app should be added to that grub. Adding the user to that group should be the only thing done as root, everything else should be done as a normal user, and /etc/incron.allow should *NOT* be modified every time a new ...
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> ljunggren_: what version of ubuntu?
[22:21] <Jordan_U> ... user wants to use your app.
[22:21] <ljunggren_> 13.10
[22:21] <ljunggren_> hitsujiTMO, 13.10
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> ljunggren_: reboot, hopefully you won't need a newer version than what's in the repository
[22:22] <ljunggren_> hitsujiTMO, i have rebooted
[22:22] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: Jordan_U: ok i went into the BIOS, and found that my SSD was under legacy boot options, but my USB was under both UEFI and Legacy. I disabled UEFI, and i booted from my usb. the installer still doesnt recognize my SSD.
[22:23] <PDilyard> it wants to install on my terabyte HDD
[22:23] <garcianc> semajnad, so let me get this straight. You are chroot'ing ssh but do not want your users to access the command line?
[22:23] <PDilyard> even after yelling at it, the installer still doesnt seem to be listening to me :P
[22:23] <semajnad> garcianc: Basically I'm chrooting ssh ( which locks them in FTP to their home directory ) but don't want them access to command line.
[22:23] <semajnad> garcianc: It all works perfectly, until I set their shell back to bash
[22:24] <hitsujiTMO> ljunggren_: ok. whats's the output of: fglrxinfo
[22:24] <ljunggren_> hitsujiTMO, sec
[22:24] <semajnad> garcianc: Would using AllowUsers option in sshd_config do?
[22:24] <semajnad> garcianc: Only just seen it on a webpage.
[22:25] <semajnad> garcianc: Just allow the users I want access
[22:25] <owen__> Jordan_U: OK point taken. I can work option into the installer. Thanks
[22:25] <ljunggren_> hitsujiTMO, ljunggren@ljunggren-desktop:~$ fglrxinfo
[22:25] <ljunggren_> display: :0  screen: 0
[22:25] <ljunggren_> OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[22:25] <ljunggren_> OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series
[22:25] <ljunggren_> OpenGL version string: 4.2.12337 Compatibility Profile Context 13.101
[22:25] <FloodBot1> ljunggren_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:25] <ljunggren_> Sorry for no paste..
[22:25] <ljunggren_> sorry
[22:25] <hitsujiTMO> ljunggren_: looks like its loaded propperly
[22:25] <ljunggren_> awesome
[22:25] <ljunggren_> steam does not however
[22:27] <hitsujiTMO> ljunggren_: in what way is steam not finding your gpu?
[22:27] <Jordan_U> owen__: You're welcome.
[22:27] <ljunggren_> hitsujiTMO, nothing
[22:28] <itaylor57> I can't seem to find the REST::Cllent perl module is it there and i am just not finding it?
[22:28] <garcianc> semajnad, who owns the testing directory?
[22:29] <semajnad> Oh damn, probs is root.
[22:29] <semajnad> So they wouldn't be able to access it?
[22:29] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1484448.html would this be worth a try? the installer is not recognizing my ssd, but its recognizing my hdd
[22:30] <garcianc> semajnad, try giving that directory to the test user and see if that works
[22:30] <semajnad> garcianc: YES!
[22:30] <semajnad> garcianc: Drinks all around!
[22:31] <semajnad> garcianc: Thanks a lot, damn I know 0 about linux and having been doing this all day my minds gone to mush :/
[22:31] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: not sure ... but .... can you that /dev/sda4 and try again. it might be ignoring the ssd if it thinks there's not room for it
[22:31] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: can you delete that^^^^
[22:31] <PDilyard> yeah, sure.
[22:32] <garcianc> semajnad, you are welcome. You can also create a chroot directory (i.e. /home/chroot/) then a directory for each user, then in the config file use /home/chroot/%u
[22:32] <OerHeks> PDilyard, is your SSD is encrypted with windows bitlocker?
[22:32] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: just to make sure we're on the same page, i should be using the "Install Ubuntu alongside them" option right?
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: yup
[22:33] <semajnad> garcianc:
[22:33] <PDilyard> OerHeks: i dont think so, its a relatively fresh install of windows. i just got the ssd earlier this week
[22:33] <semajnad> garcianc: Last problem, is I can now log in again, however when I set the user up in ssh_config and try to login to filezilla with their login it says : "Network error: Software caused connection abort"
[22:34] <hitsujiTMO> OerHeks: PDilyard    he can manually install it to the sdd, the installer just won't give him the option to auto install to the ssd
[22:34] <semajnad> garcianc: It seems as though the testingaccount home directory has to be owned by root for them to be able to connect to ftp
[22:34] <semajnad> garcianc: So that's fine, I can just switch back and forth when needed
[22:35] <shevek> I'm trying to contact from my xfce desktop to an Ubuntu 13.04 standard desktop (with the icons on the left) using gajim.  Text works fine, but when I try a video call, there is a popup saying that I request a call, but there is no way to actually accept it.  On xfce, I can click on the gajim icon in the notification area to make a button appear where I can accept or reject the call.  How can I get to this button in Ubuntu?
[22:35] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: http://imagebin.org/275573
[22:36] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: i dont think the partition i created even matters unless i choose the "Something else" option
[22:38] <garcianc> semajnad, I am a little fuzzy but could you try creating a directory under /home/testing that is owned by the test user, then give /home/testing to root?
[22:38] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: http://imagebin.org/275574
[22:39] <PDilyard> thats the "Something else" option
[22:45] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: any other ideas or should i just give up and install on hdd?
[22:48] <PDilyard> http://imagebin.org/275578  this is the result of   $ sudo parted -l
[22:49] <PDilyard> but the installer doesnt show "sda" it only gives me the option of "sdb"
[22:51] <moppy> PDilyard, is this a samsung ultrabook?
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: just go ahead and install as "something else". install to /dev/sda4, tell it to mount as /, and install the bootloader to /dev/sda
[22:51] <PDilyard> moppy: its an HP Pavilion G7
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> moppy: i don't think an ultrobook comes with enough space for a second hdd :P
[22:52] <moppy> hitsujiTMO, many of them have hybrid SSD/hdd
[22:52] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: so i install bootloader to /dev/sda, then it gives me an option on where to put / ?
[22:52] <PDilyard> (i just want to make sure i dont erase anything)
[22:52] <hitsujiTMO> moppy: sorry yes, forgot those exist
[22:52] <moppy> hitsujiTMO, anyway i asked as the samsung ones have this odd little bug that looks like this sometimes
[22:52] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: put root in /dev/sda3
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> moppy: could be the same issue, might have common hardware
[22:53] <PDilyard> its a SanDisk 256 GB SSD and it came with a Hitachi 1 TB HDD
[22:54] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: you mean put root in /dev/sda4, right?
[22:54] <moppy> hitsujiTMO, it's basically stuff don't want to install on the  SSD part of the hybrid SSD/Hdd due to some firmware issue
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: yes, sorry
[22:54] <PDilyard> and i get that option after clicking "install now" ?
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> moddy: ahh i see.. then not same issue
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: select /dev/sda4 and choose change
[22:55] <arvut> heya, a friend of mine just installed ubuntu 13.10 and stumbled upon some problems with skype, so I helped him to uninstall skype via terminal (he installed it via softwarecentre). then he installed it from this guide
[22:55] <arvut> http://www.linuxsystemhacks.com/2013/06/how-to-install-skype-42-in-ubuntu-1310.html
[22:55] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: ok
[22:55] <arvut> and it screwed up reps pretty badly
[22:55] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: actualy, wait, you have no swap partiton
[22:55] <PDilyard> lol
[22:56] <PDilyard> idk what im doing if you cant tell
[22:56] <moppy> hitsujiTMO, Basically it doesnt detect it properly and you have do some weird hacks even with win7 to get it to install to the SSD; installing to the HDD is no problem. *BUT* win7 likes to create a 100MB reserved partition on the primary drive, which will fail as it's the ssd
[22:56] <moppy> so even hdd installs are a bit weird
[22:56] <moppy> anyway im going back to lurking now as he's not a samsung
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: delete /dev/sda4, create a 4gb partition for the swap as swapfs, and then create another partition for the root as ext4
[22:57] <PDilyard> ok hang on
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: another rason why it might not be allowing you to install is because the partitions are out of order.
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> reason*
[22:58] <PDilyard> how do i put them back in order?
[22:59] <hitsujiTMO> you'd need to move remove /dev/sda4... move /dev/sda3 so that it's right after /dev/sda2
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: and then create /dev/sda4 and /dev/sda5 after it
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> (assuming its a gpt partition layout
[23:00] <PDilyard> how can i move it to line up against sda2?
[23:01] <PDilyard> how can i move it to line up against sda3? *
[23:01] <sourcecoy> mister synaptic wont let me check the source code on the main tab :c
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: you'll have to use gparted
[23:01] <PDilyard> i am
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: drag it so it's right beside /dev/sda2
[23:04] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: should the swap be File system: linux-swap?
[23:04] <PDilyard> and label "swapfs"
[23:04] <arvut> anyone got a fresh sources.list file to share? need a new one
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: you can create those in the installer.
[23:04] <PDilyard> so just leave it unformatted?
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: just leave the space unallocated
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: dont even create the partitions
[23:05] <PDilyard> just open up space
[23:05] <PDilyard> ?
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: yup... then with that try the "install alongside". and again if it won't leave you install to the sdd, choose somethign else and it will allow you to make the partitions then
[23:06] <PDilyard> okl
[23:06] <PDilyard> ok*
[23:08] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: ok so this is what i want right? http://imagebin.org/275581
[23:08] <PDilyard> 30 GB for root + 4 GB for swap?
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: yup
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: how much ram do you have?
[23:09] <PDilyard> 8 gb
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> 4gb, should be enough swap but you won't be able to hibernate
[23:09] <wilee-nilee> arvut: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[23:09] <reisio> won't be able to reliably hibernate, anyways
[23:09] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: should i up it to 8 then?
[23:10] <reisio> PDilyard: if you want to reliably hibernate
[23:10] <PDilyard> ok
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: if you don't hibernate then it's a waste of disk space
[23:11] <PDilyard> swap is used for what, exactly?
[23:11] <reisio> you could totally fit four 720p films in that much space :p
[23:11] <MonkeyDust> !swap
[23:11] <reisio> PDilyard: it's like virtual memory on Windows
[23:11] <PDilyard> ah ok
[23:11] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: its virtual memeory, (if you start to run out of main memory) and the ram gets dmped there for hibernate
[23:12] <PDilyard> gotcha
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: its usually not used at all, so tends to be a waste. if you end up using swap a lot, then that means you need more ram
[23:12] <PDilyard> i think 8 is plenty for now :P
[23:13] <reisio> and for always :)
[23:13] <hitsujiTMO> i never really use more than 3gb :P
[23:13] <PDilyard> the SSD is so awesome...this is the first one ive ever had
[23:13] <reisio> arguably oversized swap partitions can come in handy for more than swap, though
[23:13] <reisio> PDilyard: :)
[23:14] <wilee-nilee> swapping is a beautiful thing on a ssd
[23:14] <PDilyard> well would you guys recommend 8 gb or 4 gb then....i dont really hibernate my desktop too much
[23:15] <PDilyard> well i take that back i do at night actually
[23:16] <reisio> PDilyard: how big is the disk?
[23:16] <PDilyard> 256 GB
[23:16] <reisio> then you won't likely miss the 4gb difference, stick to 8
[23:16] <PDilyard> ok
[23:16] <_3o3_> i only have 1gb swap
[23:16] <reisio> _3o3_: super interesting
[23:17] <wilee-nilee> lol bazinga
[23:17] <_3o3_> but i never hibarnate
[23:17] <reisio> _3o3_: I'm going to put this in my memoir
[23:17] <PDilyard> not even at work? I hibernate all the time at work
[23:18] <_3o3_> i work at home :)
[23:18] <wilee-nilee> I hibernate in the winter only
[23:18] <PDilyard> im not talking about my pc
[23:18] <PDilyard> right, i hibernate during the 2:00 - 5:00 lull
[23:22] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: ok now i clicked "install alongside" and it went straight to selecting time zone...can i assume its going to the SSD?
[23:23] <hitsujiTMO> erm ... not sure ... i thought it did the partitioning after timezone tho.
[23:24] <PDilyard> im up to the configuring account part and it hasnt given me anything about partitioning
[23:25] <hitsujiTMO> continue on, it hasn't done anything destructive yet
[23:25] <PDilyard> ok
[23:26] <CorpusCallosum> Hi Guys, using 12.04 ubuntu with gnome classic no effect. Trying to change theme with ubuntu tweak, when i add new theme folder into usr/share/themes/ even i can see it in the list of ubuntu tweak, when i change the theme, nothing change in desktop or partially change. theme is not changing fully. is this a bug or am i missing something?
[23:26] <PDilyard> it says installing system now lol
[23:26] <ozberk> hi guys I need ask a question I can^t login to google chrome browser
[23:26] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO: never gave me the option
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: ok thats very weird
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> and you definitely choose install alongside windows?
[23:27] <PDilyard> i mean i have some hope, when i was trying before, it was asking me to choose a partition size on my HDD
[23:27] <PDilyard> yes
[23:27] <PDilyard> its definitely not erasing anything
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> hopefully it could see the free space and just installed to there
[23:28] <PDilyard> and like i said, its a fresh windows install, im not afraid to do it again if this all goes horrible wrong
[23:28] <PDilyard> yeah keep your fingers crossed
[23:28] <PDilyard> lol
[23:29] <samnew> hi all
[23:29] <PDilyard> ok i'll be back to let you know how it goes
[23:29] <ozberk> are there anyone who can help me for google chrome
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: btw, when you get to the ubuntu one bit ... do not log in, and do not create an account. it can stall if you do
[23:29] <samnew> what about it
[23:30] <samnew> where can i find password list
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> !details | ozberk
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> samnew: password list for what exactly?
[23:30] <ozberk> ok guys read my previouss message
[23:30] <ozberk> I had already wrote them
[23:30] <samnew> for using with hydra
[23:30] <ozberk> I can't login to google chrome browser
[23:31] <ozberk> because it's refresh the login page
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> ozberk: not sure what exactly you mean by can't log in. please give details
[23:32] <ozberk> hisufiTMO: ok on the google chrome click the menu button and clik that login here : google chrome
[23:32] <ozberk> that gives you a login page
[23:32] <samnew> how can unzip bz2 file in backtrack 5r3
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | samnew
[23:32] <ozberk> I wrote my password and nickname true and it refreshed the page
[23:32] <samnew> i am new
[23:33] <k1l> samnew: for backtrack support please see the backtrack channels. and cracking is not supported in here.
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> ozberk: doe sit give you an error?
[23:33] <samnew> ok
[23:33] <samnew> thanks
[23:33] <ozberk> what ? oh no there is no error
[23:33] <k1l> !backtrack | samnew
[23:34] <hitsujiTMO> ozberk: if it brings you back to the login page, then there should be some sort of error message
[23:34] <ozberk> do I have to take a screen video
[23:34] <ozberk> wait a minute maybe it could be work
[23:35] <PDilyard> well im not 100% sure its on the SSD but that was the fastest boot i've ever seen so im guessing it worked
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: if it botts in about 6 seconds its prob on the ssd
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> boots*
[23:35] <PDilyard> yeah i think it was less than that even
[23:35] <PDilyard> incredibly fast
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: you can install gparted and have a look
[23:36] <PDilyard> i will
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> i presume the reason why it wasn't allowing you to install on the ssd, is because of the drives being out of order so
[23:37] <PDilyard> maybe
[23:37] <reisio> lsblk -f
[23:37] <PDilyard> sda 5 /
[23:38] <PDilyard> sda6 swap
[23:38] <PDilyard> so it worked
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: sweet
[23:38] <reisio> 5?
[23:38] <reisio> oh uefi you said?
[23:38] <PDilyard> not sure what size the swap is though
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> sda4 is prob an extended partition
[23:38] <jje_> free -h
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: no it's turns out it wasn't an uefi install
[23:39] <PDilyard> sda1 is SYSTEM, sda2 is OS, sda3 is recovery, not sure what sda4 is
[23:39] <reisio> ah
[23:39] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: you could see that from the lack of a efi system partition in gparted
[23:39] <reisio> PDilyard: lsblk -f doesn't say?
[23:39] <PDilyard> nope
[23:39] <ozberk> hitsujiTMO: I gonna give you a video link which let you see my problem clearly then you can help with it
[23:39] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: mmm, maybe if I had gparted and his system I could :)
[23:40] <PDilyard> im installing gparted now
[23:40] <reisio> PDilyard: sudo fdisk -l, then, maybe
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: he posted many inages of his filesytem on gparted :P i presumed you saw them
[23:40] <reisio> yup, I saw the creation of the world, too
[23:40] <PDilyard> sda4 is an extended partition
[23:41] <reisio> 'cause it took place in the past, like his screenshot posting
[23:41] <PDilyard> with sda5 and sda6
[23:41] <reisio> PDilyard: coo
[23:41] <PDilyard> and sda6 is swap with 7.49 GB
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: yes, you have a mbr partition table , not gpt
[23:41] <PDilyard> so it automatically worked
[23:41] <reisio> automagick
[23:41] <PDilyard> no kidding
[23:42] <PDilyard> i was scared when hitsujiTMO told me "yeah dont worry about just click next it wont do any damage yet"
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> :)
[23:42] <PDilyard> and i clicked next and it all started to install
[23:42] <reisio> heh
[23:42] <PDilyard> lol :)
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> it didn't did it? :P
[23:42] <logicals_> Hello everyone, week ago I switched to elementaryOS (I'm new linux user, I am still looking for "my linux version"). I encountered 2 funny problems, but the elementaryOS chat room isnt helping (people afk). Because elementary is based on Ubuntu may I ask here for help?
[23:42] <reisio> think if you do 'alongside' it's still automated
[23:42] <reisio> and if you do custom you get the partitioner
[23:42] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO, well yeah, technically you were right
[23:42] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I have purchased a 32G usb and made backup. I would like to install 12.04 to wipe 12.04.3 and 13.10, keeping Windows XP
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> logicals_: elementaryos is not supported here
[23:43] <logicals_> ok :S
[23:43] <zykotick9> logicals_: #ubuntu ONLY supports official ubuntu releases... so NO, don't ask here.
[23:43] <ozberk> still uplo<ading ( oh God it's so slow for 6 seconds video )
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> intrader, YOU gots a XP disc to reload the mbr so you can actually boot it?
[23:43] <PDilyard> and whoever told me not to sign into ubuntu one right before i left, im installing 12.04, it didnt try to get me to login to One
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: alongside was initially giving him the option of putting it on sdb ... it didn't even give him that option
[23:43] <reisio> think ubuntu one postdates 12.04?
[23:43] <logicals_> Well its more about software, not system problem
[23:43] <kamori> I'm starting my first LFS install.. And trying wget-list will wget tell me if one of my download fails?
[23:44] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: what didn't?
[23:44] <PDilyard> reisio, the installer wasnt showing sda
[23:44] <PDilyard> only sdb
[23:44] <reisio> kamori: yup
[23:44] <beepbeep> quick question.  my keyboard has volume control buttons on it. whenever i hit volume up/down, ubuntu plays a beep.  How can I turn this beeping off?
[23:44] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, no I don't - previous installs have been able to boot into Windows XP. What is the problem?
[23:44] <kamori> reisio, thank you
[23:44] <reisio> PDilyard: in the partitioning phase?
[23:44] <PDilyard> yeah
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: the install "alongside"
[23:45] <reisio> beepbeep: it's coming from your speakers?
[23:45] <reisio> PDilyard: neat
[23:45] <beepbeep> reisio:  yeah
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: as he didn't see phase 5 here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-latest
[23:46] <PDilyard> well thank you guys so much. this community is really helpful! especially hitsujiTMO ;)
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: i presumed you were installing 13.10, which has the ubuntu one bug
[23:46] <PDilyard> np
[23:47] <PDilyard> brb restarting...time me
[23:47] <jubale> Is it possible to have the old gnome menus at top and also have unity launcher as a "quick start" area?
[23:47] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, yesterday I repaired the boot record thinking that was the problem with 12.04.3. I will try to boot into XP now to verify
[23:48] <wilee-nilee> jubale, No.
[23:48] <PDilyard> not bad
[23:48] <reisio> jubale: probably be a fair amount of work
[23:48] <reisio> jubale: there are a lot of other launchers though
[23:48] <wilee-nilee> reisio, Heh, empty promises. ;)
[23:48] <reisio> wilee-nilee: ?
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> reisio, Old gnome, a gnome2 menu, in unity is my interpretation.
[23:50] <tfh> hi, after I upgraded ubuntu to 13.10, my keyboard layout (language) switching shortcut stopped working. I looked online and found a few entries on askubuntu about a bug and that there is an unofficial patch to fix it, I tried that and it still doesn't work ... or I don't understand what the words mean in the short cut, so I want to be able to switch by pressing the Left Alt and Shit keys, but that doesn't work
[23:50] <wilee-nilee> could be wrong been before. ;)
[23:51] <reisio> wilee-nilee: yeah, and?
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> reisio, It was a joke man.
[23:51] <semajnad> garcianc: Looks like for now I need to comment out the lines in ssh_config if I wanna connect through SSH then uncomment them to let FTP access lock to directory again.
[23:53] <garcianc> semajnad, I am convinced that it is a permissions issue. Take a look at this article, http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup/ . It gives a pretty good idea of what the permissions should look like.
[23:53] <gassho> how come synaptic package manager not make a select on the source code
[23:53] <gassho> in the preferencerences
[23:53] <semajnad> garcianc: Okay, thanks.
[23:53] <reisio> wilee-nilee: just didn't make sense :p
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> A user that has to ask to begin with is a big red flag, will they follow through I doubt it, that is a bit oh tweaking.
[23:54] <garcianc> semajnad, look at step 6.
[23:55] <semajnad> garcianc: Thanks a lot for that, that's a great detailed guide. Think i'll follow that one tomorrow with a new test user and see how it goes, otherwise I think my brains will start leaking out my ears.
[23:55] <reisio> wilee-nilee: not sure where that leaves people in a channel for answering questions... :p
[23:56] <garcianc> semajnad, no problem. Good luck tomorrow
[23:56] <semajnad> garcianc: Thanks, and thanks again for all the help.
[23:56] <blurkis> Hi!  Is there some guide on how to install gnome 3.10 in ubuntu 13.10?
[23:57] <ozberk> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByocQCqkVwW_QW9hQnJZaERlNmM/edit?usp=sharing
[23:57] <ozberk> ok guys
[23:58] <ozberk> that's my issue
[23:58] <ozberk> with google chrome
[23:58] <ozberk> if anyone watch this video please help me :S
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> reisio, mixing gnome2 and 3 is not really a channel issue, I was just joking, and typing while you answered with " there are a lot of other launchers though" I saw just "probably be a fair amount of work" the channel can seem detached at times if you type slow like I do.
[23:59] <reisio> blurkis: some reason you need 3.10?
[23:59] <wilee-nilee> I have to look at the keys when I type in other words


[09:47] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[19:26] <InHisName> Good afternoon


[10:56] <genkgo> infinity: Yesterday you helped me upgrading to 3.19 kernel. This solves the problem that my VPS does not switch to read-only while running VSS snapshots. However, yesterday suddenly there are no more VSS freeze and thaw logs. There is no reason why I do not see them anymore. The VSS daemon appears to running (ps -aux |grep vss). The only additional log I have is "Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -75591956 ns)".
[10:58] <genkgo> Fortunately, my vps is doing well. At least there are no read-only troubles and I believe other processes are running fine.
[16:26] <kenjo> So is the removal of /dev/mem in 4.x intentional ??  demidecode needs this to work.