[06:13] <nixternal> lachlan: that card uses the bcm43xx-fwcutter utility. no need to use ndiswrapper with it
[06:13] <lachlan> how do i set it up to get working?
[06:13] <jpiccolo_> anyone using steam though wine
[06:13] <mortici> nixternal, chicago area
[06:13] <mortici> :)
[06:13] <nixternal> mortici: same here :0
[06:13] <ForgeAus> steam?
[06:13] <nixternal> ;)
[06:13] <John-Charles> i cannot load any graphics, when i boot up it loads to and io stream and then drops me and when i try startx it give me a failure
[06:13] <nixternal> !bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:13] <ubotu> bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060501-5 (edgy), package size 20 kB, installed size 108 kB
[06:14] <nixternal> !broadcom
[06:14] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:14] <mortici> nixternal, :D
[06:14] <Jucato> ugh... being overrun by chi-ubuntu!
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_L5800C#WiFi
[06:14] <nixternal> very helpful silly bot
[06:14] <jpiccolo_> ok CS:S
[06:14] <nixternal> you know it Jucato. Chicago rules!
[06:14] <Jucato> :P
[06:14] <jpiccolo_> anyone running CS:S in ubuntu
[06:14] <mortici> chitown for the win :)
[06:15] <Daisuke_Ido> basics on the 4303 with ndiswrapper.  should be able to get it going using the standard 'ndiswrapper -i <driverfile>' (i think.  i thank %deity every day for ralink)
[06:15] <mortici> jpiccolo_, i had it running on gentoo, i see no reason why it wouldn't run on kubuntu :)
[06:15] <nixternal> lachlan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy
[06:15] <John-Charles>  /nick <nickname>
[06:15] <lachlan> Daisuke_ldo is that a guide to help me install?
[06:15] <Daisuke_Ido> nixternal: even better
[06:15] <jpiccolo_> morticl i have it running
[06:15] <mortici> :)
[06:15] <lachlan> nixternal that guide is based on a different card
[06:15] <ForgeAus> as in the gaming app? http://www.steampowered.com/?
[06:15] <mortici> jpiccolo_, you can use tab to auto complete a nick :P
[06:15] <jpiccolo_> morticl, but for some reason its not updating so i can pay
[06:16] <jpiccolo_> ok
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> lachlan: doesn't matter, as long as it's the same chipset.
[06:16] <nixternal> lachlan: according to http://bcm43xx.berlios.de your card should work with that as well
[06:16] <mortici> jpiccolo_, hmm never ran into that
[06:16] <ubuntu> i'm running kubuntu from a live cd, how do i get a computer to ssh to it?  like what's the username/pw?
[06:16] <ForgeAus> its interesting if/that it works with wine at all!
[06:16] <jpiccolo_> mortici: is there some kind of firewall that would be stopping it
[06:16] <ForgeAus> looks kinda lush for wine
[06:16] <nixternal> ubuntu: you need to install ssh server first, and then create a username/password to access it
[06:16] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  go to the console and add a user with adduser, and start the ssh service. (i think) ive rarely used the live cd.
[06:16] <John-Charles>  /nick gkffyji
[06:17] <mortici> jpiccolo_, no not really, it might not be communicating with the steam servers. Unless the new steam version borked it some how, but it should allow you to "download" the game, i never tried to pay for anything on the linux end
[06:17] <mortici> i just played on the linux end
[06:17] <lachlan> i am running dapper
[06:17] <ubuntu> is there an easier way to transfer files from the live cd comp to another one?
[06:18] <jpiccolo_> mortici: grr i can log into steam and everything but it has been a 36% for 5 hours
[06:18] <jpiccolo_> updating
[06:19] <John-Charles> a
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> lachlan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[06:19] <John-Charles> help
[06:19] <mortici> jpiccolo_, wait so when you try to log into it does the steam update?
[06:19] <jpiccolo_> yeah steam itself updates, but the game wont to get the newest version
[06:19] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  depends on whats on the 2 pcs :)
[06:20] <dope> ok it's askin for a session password
[06:20] <dope> is there a default session password?
[06:20] <mortici> as long as you installed the latest steam from their web page there really should be no need to update, and if it does the update does nothing, i think there was a work around for that
[06:20] <mortici> oh ok
[06:20] <mortici> jpiccolo_, i see i see
[06:20] <mortici> how about you do this
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu-based Pioneer Linux for churches and religious organisations:
[06:20] <Dr_willis> anotner week.. and another ubuntu variant spawns!
[06:20] <mortici> download it on windows, update it, back it up, then restore it on linux?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Its like those monster movies...
[06:20] <mortici> either that or stop the download and try again
[06:21] <jpiccolo_> mortici: if i had windows that would work
[06:21] <mortici> if not try and see if you can use ethereal to see whats going on with the tcp packets
[06:21] <mortici> jpiccolo_, lol
[06:21] <mortici> jpiccolo_, good man :)
[06:21] <stdin> dope: what's asking for a password?
[06:21] <jpiccolo_> mortici: haha yeah, maybe i shoule try it with vmware
[06:21] <dope> when i connect via ssh to the pc running the live cd
[06:21] <dope> asking for a session password
[06:21] <John-Charles> deus2
[06:22] <jpiccolo_> mortici: i have never used vmware though
[06:22] <Dr_willis> that would be the users password that you made earlier.
[06:22] <ForgeAus> VMware is awesome :)
[06:22] <mortici> your running css through vmware
[06:22] <stdin> dope: what user are you trying to login as?
[06:22] <mortici> ?
[06:22] <jpiccolo_> no
[06:22] <dope> ubuntu
[06:22] <ForgeAus> the VMware server I highly recomend
[06:22] <jpiccolo_> if i install steam on a vmware image and get the updated files
[06:22] <stdin> dope: you'll have to set the pass manually: sudo passwd ubuntu
[06:22] <mortici> jpiccolo_, then why do you ask about vmware
[06:23] <stdin> dope: on the livecd
[06:23] <ForgeAus> you don't get the windowborder I don't like that the player has, its a clean window environment, and you get many options
[06:23] <ForgeAus> (but theres more that would be helpful)
[06:23] <ForgeAus> mostly you can do the extras with utilities or the command line
[06:23] <jpiccolo_> mortici: if i install windows though vmware, then install steam, update the game and copy over the files
[06:23] <dope> awesome thx, you guys are always extremely helpful
[06:23] <ForgeAus> like the server program doesn't let you grow disks in the gui for example
[06:24] <stdin> dope: it's what we're here for :)
[06:24] <ForgeAus> jpiccolo yeah that's a good idea
[06:24] <mortici> jpiccolo_, well either way the update "should" work either way
[06:24] <ForgeAus> use fat32 tho, better than ntfs I think for your purposes
[06:24] <jpiccolo_> yeah "should"
[06:24] <ForgeAus> depending on what windows features it uses
[06:25] <dope> what's the command to look at all the filesystems?
[06:25] <dope> df and something else
[06:25] <jpiccolo_> does feisty have any firewalls
[06:25] <ForgeAus> jp not sure but you can add one to it
[06:25] <jpiccolo_> i dont want one
[06:25] <stdin> dope: you mean: sudo fdisk -l
[06:25] <dope> yea
[06:25] <stdin> there ya go
[06:25] <jpiccolo_> i want to turn it off if i have one
[06:26] <jpiccolo_> whats that site for easy vmware images
[06:27] <ForgeAus> vmware itself
[06:27] <ForgeAus> www.vmware.com prolly theres an appliances link
[06:27] <mortici> jpiccolo_, did you follow any guides or did you just do it yourself?
[06:27] <ForgeAus> but Id on't know if any of them are windows appliances
[06:27] <jpiccolo_> for what steam?
[06:27] <ForgeAus> you can probably convert microsofts VM's tho
[06:27] <mortici> might be a wine problem? or a steam issue, i mean if it go 38%
[06:28] <ForgeAus> VirtualPC (microsoft aquired it from Connectix I think)... vm's can be run/converted to work with VMware...
[06:28] <jpiccolo_> mortici: if i go to install something like the ded server, it says the Steam servers are to busy try again later
[06:29] <jpiccolo_> i doubt they have been busy for the last 5 hours
[06:29] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure what the extension is I think its .vmc or something???
[06:29] <jpiccolo_> http://www.easyvmx.com/
[06:29] <John-Charles> hh
[06:29] <mortici> jpiccolo_, weird
[06:29] <ForgeAus> jpiccolo you donwloading a torrent?
[06:30] <mortici> jpiccolo_, lemme see if i can find anything on google
[06:30] <jpiccolo_> i tried closing all my torrent connections also
[06:30] <jpiccolo_> no go
[06:32] <lachlan> in a .lst file does # mean comment?
[06:32] <Jucato> yep
[06:33] <Jucato> in menu.lst
[06:33] <ForgeAus> wow easyvmx is kewl
[06:33] <ForgeAus> but only makes the .vmx file a vmdk is harder to deal with
[06:33] <ForgeAus> still you can download blank ones easy enough :)
[06:33] <mortici> jpiccolo_, did you follow a guide or no
[06:33] <ForgeAus> or make them
[06:33] <ForgeAus> its just growing/shrinking/managing ones you might already have
[06:34] <lachlan> how do i back up a file?
[06:34] <ForgeAus> VMware makes an awesome sandbox for os's like reactos or people like me who are trying out various *nix Distros
[06:34] <jpiccolo_> mortici: i followed a guide to get steam up
[06:34] <jpiccolo_> and running
[06:35] <mortici> ok
[06:35] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  copy it to another name. using whatever method you perfer.
[06:35] <nikola> Hi
[06:35] <lachlan> i want to totally get rid of linux from my laptop and leave the windows partition. what would be the best way to do it?
[06:35] <nikola> How do I install a new theme?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> depends on the theme nikola
[06:36] <jpiccolo_> what is vmmom
[06:36] <nikola> let me find the one I want:
[06:36] <Jucato> lachlan: just reformat that partition. or overwrite it..
[06:36] <Dr_willis> kde 'themes' are a bit differently done then other window managers, and how windows does it.
[06:36] <jpiccolo_> vmmon
[06:36] <lachlan> im not abanboning linux i have a seperate computer devoted to linux
[06:36] <ForgeAus> lachlan depends on what kinda backup your looking for
[06:37] <Mace68> those are pretty obscure questions lachlan
[06:37] <ForgeAus> you can copy the file (just make/add the extension .bak or something) you can archive it.... with ark or tar or something... or you could get a backup program but usually for a single file they aren't really a great idea...
[06:37] <mortici> jpiccolo_, only thing i can recommend is to stop the download and try again
[06:37] <mortici> i mean as in delete what you downloaded through steam
[06:37] <mortici> and start the download from fresh
[06:37] <lachlan> Jucato everytime i do that using patition magic 8 on windows when i restart my computer grub loads up with a error i also want grub gone
[06:38] <nikola> ok
[06:38] <mortici> make sure you have enough room on the partiiton as well
[06:38] <nikola> i want one of the themes from kde-look.org
[06:38] <nikola> but i dont seem to have a theme installer or anything
[06:38] <ForgeAus> partition magic 8 hmmm maybe try gparted from in linux instead?
[06:38] <Jucato> lachlan: you also have to resinstall the Windows bootloader onto MBR
[06:38] <lachlan> Mace68 they seem obsuce because i am talking about 2 PCs
[06:38] <jpiccolo_> mortici: i am going to reboot
[06:38] <Mace68> oh, lol... sorry
[06:38] <Jucato> nikola: that depends on what kind of theme you want to install. there are lots of those
[06:38] <mortici> jpiccolo_, why reboot?
[06:39] <nikola> should i link you? : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=43430
[06:39] <Dr_willis> to remove grub. ive normally used the xp cd's rescue feture and the 'fixmbr' command
[06:39] <jpiccolo_> i install vmplayer
[06:39] <nikola> haha, i think that looks nice :P
[06:39] <Dr_willis> removing the linux partitions do not remove grub. since its on the MBR.
[06:39] <lachlan> how do i do that?
[06:39] <Jucato> ugh... lagging connection...
[06:39] <ForgeAus> what I don't get is why windows recovery console is so big to install..
[06:39] <jpiccolo_> i have to reboot after i install vmware-player?
[06:39] <Jucato> lachlan: insert the Windows Installer CD, go to recovery mode, then "fixmbr"
[06:40] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  boot a xp cd, and use the resovery consolke and the fixmbr command...
[06:40] <stdin> jpiccolo_: no
[06:40] <Dr_willis> nikola,  that theme is nasty. :)
[06:40] <mortici> jpiccolo_, its not windows lol
[06:40] <mortici> no need to reboot
[06:40] <nikola> lol
[06:40] <nikola> lemme find the one i originally wanted:
[06:40] <mortici> plus try stopping the download, deleting the files through steam and re downloading
[06:40] <lachlan> kk thx
[06:41] <mortici> seems to have fixed the problem for some people after some reading i have done
[06:41] <jpiccolo_> ok vmware-player is giving me the error, could not open /dev/vmmon
[06:41] <nikola> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27046
[06:41] <nikola> :P
[06:41] <Dr_willis> nikola,  basicially that guy is using a lot of parts of other themes/widget/icon sets to get the look. you woul dhave to isntall those 5 packages or so he has listed there.
[06:42] <jaxon> could anyone tell me whether a newbie should try out 6.10 Edgy...i have been using 6.06drapper for about a mth..would there be too many tech. probs still?
[06:42] <nikola> ok, lemme look
[06:42] <Jucato> Dr_willis: is it a KDE Theme (.kth)?
[06:42] <jaxon> thank you
[06:42] <Jucato> my connections is *very* slow
[06:43] <nikola> um
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  it looks like its a .kth + some other parts :)  it looked so ugly i couldent stand to look at it very long.
[06:43] <stdin> jpiccolo_: sudo try /etc/init.d/vmware-player restart
[06:43] <stdin> opps
[06:43] <spitwise> does someone know how to decompress a .sit file?
[06:43] <stdin> jpiccolo_: sudo /etc/init.d/vmware-player restart
[06:43] <nikola> for example, how do i install :
[06:43] <nikola>  - Icons
[06:43] <nikola> Vista-Inspirate_1.0 from kde-look
[06:43] <Jucato> ah yes.. it is  a .kth theme
[06:43] <jpiccolo_> ok now if i go to adept it asks for my password then does nothing
[06:43] <Jucato> nikola: for Icon Themes, go to System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons,
[06:44] <Jucato> nikola: click on "Install New Theme" and point it to the icon theme archive (don't extract it)
[06:44] <Dr_willis> nikola,  then download that package and drag/drop it to that program Jucato  mentioned is one way.  also I think.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> assuming they dident do some screwy things with the icon set/archive
[06:44] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you can't drag & drap into the icon theme manager directly
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  cant? i sware ive done that befor..
[06:44] <nikola> hmm
[06:44] <nikola> whats the theme URL?
[06:45] <Jucato> gr... I should really get out of my "
[06:45] <Jucato> "lazy mode"
[06:45] <gkffyji> I have an old computer runing Kubuntu linux, when i boot up i get into terminal window and when i try to startx i get an error it says no screens found,
[06:45] <stdin> jpiccolo_: try starting adept from a konsole session and look for errors "kdesu adept"
[06:45] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you can drag into the dialog box asking for the path to the archive, but not into the icon theme list
[06:45] <nikola> ok
[06:45] <nikola> i dragged the kth file
[06:45] <nikola> will that work?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> nikola,  you may want to fire up the package manager and search for 'themes' theres a LOT of kde themes/iconsets/widgets that are not installed by default.
[06:45] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you might be thinking of GNOME
[06:45] <Jucato> nikola: no
[06:45] <nikola> ok
[06:45] <jpiccolo_> yeah adept is started a bunch of time
[06:45] <jpiccolo_> s
[06:46] <Dr_willis> nikola,  easy way to get a few dozen new  looks to play with.
[06:46] <stdin> gkffyji: try reconfiguring the X server: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i may be thining of fonts also. :)
[06:46] <jaxon> hi ppl...does anyone here think a newbie should/shouldn't try out 6.10 Edgy...?
[06:46] <Jucato> oh fonts work like that, iirc
[06:46] <nikola> um
[06:47] <nikola> whats the package manager? *n00b* I only know of Adept installer
[06:47] <jpiccolo_> Virtual machine monitor                                            failed
[06:47] <Dr_willis> nikola,  you got it :)
[06:47] <Dr_willis> !adept
[06:47] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:47] <nikola> :P
[06:47] <stdin> jaxon: edgy isn't very different from dapper, so go for it
[06:48] <nikola> -_- the only options i get are games graphics internet multimedia office others settings system and utilities.....
[06:49] <stdin> nikola: Kmenu -> System -> Adept
[06:49] <jaxon> stdin..thx....really..cos i've only been a linux user for a mth..n i thought there might still be tech issuses i cant handle if computer hangs...or is it v stable now?
[06:49] <nikola> oh.... ok :P
[06:49] <stdin> jaxon: edgy is the latest stable release, so you should be fine
[06:50] <Dr_willis> nikola,  :) and use the search feature.. you may want to check/enable the other repositories also.
[06:50] <jaxon> lovely...nice one stdin
[06:50] <stdin> jaxon: also, you can ask for help in here if you have any trouble :)
[06:51] <jaxon> cool...it's because of the 18mth support n 3 yr support i am worried about but i guess i cant upgrade to the next release by then?
[06:52] <stdin> jaxon: yeah, the next release is out in april
[06:53] <ubuntu> how do i share a file with a windows network.....i have samba installed
[06:55] <nikola> i cant seem to find a lot of these icons/themes
[06:55] <jpiccolo_> !ftp @ jpiccolo_
[06:55] <ubotu> ftp: The FTP client. In component main, is standard. Version 0.17-16 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 152 kB
[06:55] <nikola> i find alot, but i dont know what they are, lol
[06:55] <Dr_willis> !samba
[06:55] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:55] <jpiccolo_> !samba @ ubuntu
[06:55] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 2836 kB, installed size 7200 kB
[06:55] <jaxon> stdin....i have been trying to install the latest firefox <IP_ADDRESS> but not sure which installer to look for once downloaded as a tar.gz file?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> it may be easier to just install ssh, and use winscp on the windows box to grab a few files if needed. :)
[06:57] <unix_infidel> well, that all depends on the size and resources on the boxes
[06:58] <mortici> jaxon, you need to untar it, then either run an installer provided, or compile it
[06:58] <stdin> jaxon: I think firefox is in the backports repository, you can install it like that, or there is a help page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:58] <mortici> depending wether its the binary or source tar file
[06:58] <Dr_willis> yea - i noticed my firefox updated. :) i think it came from backports
[06:58] <lachlan> Jucato i have dont have a win xp disk to use fixmbr so i have edited grub so it defults to windows. is it possible to wipe my linux partition but still keep grub? i plan on making the linux partition fat so i can still use it for storing wingows files
[06:59] <Jucato> Dr_willis: in edgy? no. it's from edgy-security
[06:59] <stdin> in dapper, it's in dapper-backports
[06:59] <Jucato> lachlan: I'm not so sure
[06:59] <stdin> in edgy, 2.0 is default
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i just rember yesterday i think.. it suddendly said "you updated firefox....." heh -- after my daily updates.
[07:00] <Jucato> stdin: Firefox was updated to <IP_ADDRESS> in Edgy
[07:00] <Ralth> Hello everyone!  I have Edgy on a Dell Inspiron 1300, and the sound is not working.  And suggestions?
[07:00] <Jucato> just a few days ago
[07:00] <stdin> Jucato: yes I know
[07:00] <Jucato> or yesterday... whichever
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Firefox/<IP_ADDRESS> (Ubuntu-edgy)
[07:00] <stdin> Jucato: but 2.0 includes <IP_ADDRESS> :p
[07:00] <Jucato> :P
[07:00] <Jucato> stdin: not by default
[07:00] <Jucato> in Edgy
[07:00] <stdin> besides, I'm in feisty atm
[07:00] <nikola> um, now I am confused. I installed a random icon theme from Adept manager, and I don't know where it is. Nothing is different in my system settings appearance, and... ya
[07:00] <lachlan> does anybody know what partition grub is installed on?
[07:01] <stdin> lachlan: it will be in the MBR, not a partition
[07:01] <Dr_willis> nikola,  you have to selexct the icon set with the control-center icon settings tool :)
[07:01] <Jucato> the default Fx version in Edgy is 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3, after the update it's <IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10
[07:01] <nikola> ........ where is that?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> nikola,  it dosent just auto-change to that set because you installed it.. explore your menus.
[07:01] <spitwise> does anyone know about decompressing a .sit (stuffit)tm file?
[07:01] <Jucato> nikola: System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons
[07:01] <Dr_willis> I always add the 'settings' taskbar quick launcher. :)
[07:02] <Ralth> Hello everyone!  I have Edgy on a Dell Inspiron 1300, and the sound is not working.  And suggestions?
[07:02] <lachlan> stdin does that mean it is in the swap partition? it has to be stored somewhere
[07:02] <Jucato> nikola: like what Dr_willis said, installing a new icon theme doesn't automatically change your icon theme. it just gets added to the list
[07:02] <stdin> Jucato: in feisty default is <IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu1 (from main repo)
[07:02] <nikola> i know, but thats the thing, nothing was added....
[07:02] <Jucato> Dr_willis: true, but the taskbar launcher follows KControl's layout, not System Settings
[07:02] <firecrotch> Hi, I've been trying to get compiz working and I'm having some problems.  I have no window decorations at all, and compiz-settings is broken
[07:02] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  and it makes Much more sence to me that way... :P
[07:03] <Jucato> nikola: what's the name of the icon theme you installed?
[07:03] <Jucato> Dr_willis: some yes, some no...
[07:03] <stdin> lachlan: the MBR (master boot record) is at the beginning of the drive, where the partition table is stored, it's not on any partition
[07:04] <Dr_willis> heh. we have a "system" menu item.. a "settings" menu item.. and a "System Settings" menu item
[07:04] <nikola> just a sec....
[07:04] <stdin> !sound | Ralth
[07:04] <ubotu> Ralth: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:04] <Jucato> :)
[07:04] <lachlan> stdin then how come evertime i delete my linux and swap partitions grub gets a error 22?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  grub is on the MBR of hte hard drive... the partitiosn have nothing to do with it.
[07:05] <stdin> lachlan: because it's looking for it's stage files, but as you just said, grub is still there
[07:06] <firecrotch> Does anyone here have any experience with Compiz?
[07:06] <jpiccolo> mortici: well its working now
[07:06] <jaxon> thank you....mortici n thank you....stdin
[07:07] <stdin> jaxon: no problem
[07:07] <stdin> firecrotch: I found beryl much easier to install than compiz
[07:07] <lachlan> stdin can i put grubs stage files in windows?
[07:07] <jpiccolo> yay steam finally working, stupid steam
[07:07] <firecrotch> I tried using Beryl once, broke my computer even worse than it is now
[07:08] <stdin> lachlan: not sure, I know you can if it's a fat32 file system, but don't know about ntfs
[07:08] <mortici> jpiccolo, did it start all a sudden
[07:08] <firecrotch> stdin: have they made any changes lately (past month or so) that make it any easier to get working?
[07:08] <mortici> or after deleting and starting the download again
[07:08] <jpiccolo> mortici: no i downloaded just the steam app an tried that way
[07:09] <stdin> firecrotch: there is a new version out 0.1.4
[07:09] <lachlan> how can i empty my swap partition?
[07:09] <mortici> just the steam app?
[07:09] <jpiccolo> mortici: before i had installed from a dvd
[07:09] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  you can use fdisk and just delete it... if thats waht you mean...
[07:09] <jpiccolo> i have hl2 on dvd boughten
[07:09] <firecrotch> stdin: I'll check it out after getting rid of everything that I broke installing compiz
[07:09] <mortici> jpiccolo, ahhh i see
[07:09] <jpiccolo> yeah downloading at 1.2MB/s
[07:09] <mortici> you used the internet version of steam
[07:10] <jpiccolo> i am now
[07:10] <firecrotch> stdin: will Beryl work with an Intel Integrated graphics card?
[07:10] <jpiccolo> i had installed hl2 from the dvd i have thinking that would be better, guess not
[07:10] <lachlan> im thinking if i had grub's stage files in the small swap partition and then wiped linux then my problem would be solved stdin
[07:10] <stdin> firecrotch: yes, that's what I have and it works great
[07:10] <mortici> jpiccolo, sometimes yes sometimes no
[07:10] <mortici> :P
[07:10] <firecrotch> stdin: Thanks alot!
[07:10] <mortici> jpiccolo, i guess we learn the hard way
[07:11] <stdin> lachlan: you can't boot from (or write to) a swap partition
[07:11] <jpiccolo> i was trying to save on downloading o well
[07:11] <jpiccolo> yeah, now i know
[07:11] <mortici> :)
[07:11] <stdin> no problem firecrotch
[07:11] <stdin> :)
[07:11] <lachlan> can i create a really small partition and put grubs stage files there and then wipe linux?
[07:12] <jpiccolo> i got wireshark too
[07:12] <mortici> jpiccolo, if you were using the dvd to install it might have been looking for something that didn't exist :/
[07:12] <mortici> wireshark :P
[07:12] <jpiccolo> i guess,or it couldnt match up what i needed to upgrade
[07:12] <stdin> lachlan: yes, that will work
[07:12] <lachlan> can u help me do that?
[07:12] <jpiccolo> how could i put a router in broadcast mode?
[07:12] <mortici> jpiccolo, very true :)
[07:13] <mortici> connect to it and change the settings jpiccolo :P
[07:13] <jpiccolo> hehe now i want to sniff my roommates im convos
[07:13] <jpiccolo> haha
[07:13] <mortici> lol
[07:13] <jpiccolo> you cant sniff through a router can you
[07:14] <mortici> you can monitor any packets on any ip as long as its from the same router
[07:14] <lachlan> stdin could u help me create that small partition?(it would have to dig into the current linux partition)
[07:15] <mortici> i love beryl :)
[07:15] <nikola> ok
[07:15] <nikola> um
[07:15] <nikola> i cant find any of the icon or style packages used in any of these themes -_-
[07:15] <nikola> cant i do something with the .kth file?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  if you are whiping out linux.. why are you keeping grub?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> the .kth files are just like a set of 'to get this theme.. we use these other parts' sort of file nikola
[07:17] <Jucato> nikola: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/kde-theme.html
[07:17] <Jucato> Dr_willis: almost done with the Kubuntu version...
[07:18] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[07:18] <lachlan> it seems the easist way to do things without a XP cd
[07:18] <Jucato> I just have to add a special section for KDM themes...
[07:18] <Mexandrew> Salutations. I need a bit of help concerning Kubuntu and XP.
[07:18] <Mexandrew> Can someone please help me?
[07:18] <jseattle> does anyone know what runs widgets in ubuntu?
[07:19] <Dr_willis> gnome = gdesklets, kde = karamba/superkaramba
[07:19] <jseattle> thx
[07:19] <Dr_willis> and they are not the same. :)
[07:19] <nikola> using the Theme Manager in KDE Control Center
[07:19] <Dr_willis> there are other widget/desktop things out as well i recall.
[07:19] <nikola> i dont know where that is
[07:19] <nikola> ......
[07:19] <nikola> I got linux working yesterday, im a real n00b, sry
[07:20] <Jucato> aDesklets
[07:20] <Mexandrew> I had 98SE on the primary, active partition, but a failed Sp2 updated nuked it, so I decided to install Kubuntu there
[07:20] <Jucato> nikola: press Alt+F2, type in KControl
[07:20] <Jucato> nikola: I mean, "kcontrol"
[07:20] <Dr_willis> nikola,  ya could spend some time learning/reading about the os and all the OTHER neat stuff... then worrying about silly themes. :)
[07:20] <Mexandrew> but I had my fears, that GRUB wouldn't boot XP since probably my then current boot sector would be gone
[07:20] <spitwise> run command > kcontrol
[07:20] <firecrotch> stdin: I'm looking at the instructions for installing Beryl (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy); is there anything different that I have to do since I'm using Kubuntu?
[07:20] <nikola> ive done some of that :P
[07:20] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  thats the one launched by the taskbar-applet 'settings' right?
[07:21] <Mexandrew> I've read that GRUB can boot directly some OSes, I don't know if XP is in that bunch of OSes
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Mexandrew,  grub can easially boot XP
[07:21] <Mexandrew> So, can anyone give me any tips, please?
[07:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis: which is not normally on default Kubuntu installations :P
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  it should be! argh!
[07:21] <noiesmo> Mexandrew, if you have windowsxp installed and want to install ubuntu it will install grub and you will be able to select ubuntu or xp
[07:21] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[07:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis: and add more stuff to the panel? no thanks :P
[07:22] <noiesmo> Mexandrew, it is recommended to install windows then ubuntu or kubuntu
[07:22] <Mexandrew> noiesmo: Problem is, I'm not ableto.
[07:22] <stdin> firecrotch: not really, just follow everything from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy#head-793d6ee7eb031a42185b9a87913540d396e3f28f
[07:22] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i remove the stuff that is there by default. :)
[07:22] <Jucato> System Settings is good enough for most jobs... you oldies just need to get used to new stuff :P
[07:22] <firecrotch> stdin: thanks, wish me luck :)
[07:22] <flaccid> !postgresql
[07:22] <ubotu> postgresql: object-relational SQL database management system (transitional). In component universe, is optional. Version 7.5.21 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[07:22] <Mexandrew> noiesmo: I had XP, but GRUB didn't recognize it
[07:22] <stdin> firecrotch: except for the "Add beryl to your session startup" part, then come back :p
[07:22] <Mexandrew> on what would be Windows' drive arrangements:
[07:23] <noiesmo> Mexandrew, odd I have dual boot and ubuntu recognized my xp
[07:23] <Mexandrew> C: had the destroyed 98SE, which became Kubuntu
[07:23] <Jucato> :P
[07:23] <Mexandrew> D and E are data
[07:23] <Mexandrew> F and G are my CD drives
[07:23] <Mexandrew> H (on the second HDD, others are on first) is the Windows XP partition
[07:23] <Mexandrew> and I is another data partition
[07:24] <Dr_willis> egads....
[07:24] <Mexandrew> Yes.
[07:24] <Mexandrew> e-damn-gads. T-T
[07:24] <Dr_willis> you need to learn how linux and grub  names the drives for a start.
[07:24] <Mexandrew> I kinda know
[07:25] <Mexandrew> let me check which is XP
[07:25] <Mexandrew> give me a second, please
[07:25] <Dr_willis> 'sudo fdisk -l'   will give some clues
[07:25] <firecrotch> stdin: I'm getting a warning about a bunch of packages not being authenticated
[07:25] <Mexandrew> it would be hdb over here
[07:25] <Mexandrew> argh
[07:25] <Mexandrew> hdb1
[07:26] <Mexandrew> but let me try that
[07:26] <Dr_willis> so you got 2 hard drives.. both are on the same ide 'cable' ?
[07:26] <Mexandrew> Yes
[07:26] <Jucato> hdb1 = hd1,0
[07:26] <Dr_willis> hdb sounds right then. :)
[07:26] <stdin> firecrotch: did you do this command? " wget<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[07:26] <Dr_willis> odd the installer dident see it.
[07:26] <firecrotch> Yes
[07:27] <Mexandrew> SHould I paste what sudo fdisk -l gave me?
[07:27] <Mexandrew> for hdb
[07:27] <dope> how do i check a harddrive for errors and fix them?
[07:28] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I think you accidentally left a channel
[07:28] <stdin> firecrotch: you can ignore the warning, and continue
[07:28] <Dr_willis> dope,  'fsck' command. i normally use a live cd. :)
[07:28] <dope> that's what i'm doing now
[07:28] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  slowly closing them out.. getting ready for bed.
[07:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:28] <firecrotch> stdin: will do
[07:28] <Jucato> aah
[07:28] <Jucato> lol
[07:28] <Jucato> night Dr_willis
[07:28] <Dr_willis> have to 'taper off' :)
[07:29] <Jucato> haha
[07:29] <Mexandrew> Dr_willis: I remember reading how, with some effort, GRUB can directly boot thw kernel and other instructions for some OSes besides Linux
[07:29] <Mexandrew> I wonder if it would work with XP?
[07:29] <Dr_willis> Mexandrew,  Huh?  never noticed that feature that way.. or worried about it. :)
[07:30] <Mexandrew> Hmm, let me try to dig the link...
[07:30] <Dr_willis> night all.
[07:30] <Mexandrew> Oh, night.
[07:30] <dope> i can't unmount these 2 drives
[07:30] <dope> i know it's umount but then what?
[07:30] <nikola> well
[07:30] <nikola> that was interesting
[07:31] <nikola> it gave me a new background and slightly different windows
[07:31] <nikola> but the rest is the same
[07:31] <firecrotch> stdin: Alright, I have it installed now. I'm up to the "Add beryl to your session startup" section
[07:31] <noiesmo> dope, you'll need livecd or recovery mode might do it as drives cannot be mounted while being used
[07:31] <stdin> ok
[07:31] <dope> i'm in a live cd right now
[07:31] <noiesmo> dope, to fsck that is
[07:31] <dope> i mounted 2 drives to recover some data and now i want to umount them and use fsck
[07:32] <stdin> firecrotch: all you need to do there, if you want beryl to auto start, is open konsole, then cd to ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:32] <stdin> firecrotch: then type: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager .
[07:32] <Jucato> nikola: because in order for a .kth to completely work, all the "parts" (other themes) that it points to or uses should already be installed
[07:32] <stdin> firecrotch: (with the dot at the end)
[07:32] <noiesmo> dope, hmm maybe reboot then they not mounted but you should be able to umount
[07:33] <Jucato> nikola: meaning, a .kth theme is practically useless if you don't have the matching icons, window decoration, styles, etc. it will only change colors, fonts, and backgrounds
[07:33] <firecrotch> stdin: then just restart X?
[07:33] <stdin> firecrotch: yeah, best to logout 1st tho
[07:34] <firecrotch> Okay
[07:34] <dope> i'm not sure how to use umount
[07:34] <dope> and i don't understand the manual
[07:34] <noiesmo> dope, umount /mount/point
[07:34] <dope> so umount /media/sda2
[07:34] <dope> ?
[07:34] <noiesmo> if thats were you mounted it dope
[07:34] <Murchadh> dope: sudo umount /dev/sda2
[07:35] <dope> so it's dev?
[07:35] <stdin> both work dope
[07:35] <dope> ok brb
[07:35] <Murchadh> dope: You can use the device name or mount point.
[07:35] <Mexandrew> Well
[07:35] <Mexandrew> I'll try messing with GRUB
[07:36] <Mexandrew> I already lost XP
[07:36] <Mexandrew> and if I lose Kubuntu I can simply reinstall
[07:36] <firecrotch> stdin: everything seems to be fine :)
[07:36] <noiesmo> !dualboot
[07:36] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:36] <stdin> firecrotch: do you get the wobbly windows now?
[07:36] <noiesmo> !dualboot | Mexandrew
[07:36] <ubotu> Mexandrew: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:36] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: Sorry, WinXP is broken?
[07:37] <firecrotch> stdin: I have no clue what you mean
[07:37] <dope> ok so all i type is fsck?
[07:37] <stdin> firecrotch: when you move a window, dose it wobble?
[07:37] <dope> and that'll fix errors on the disk?
[07:37] <firecrotch> Nope
[07:37] <noiesmo> dope, fsck /dev/sdax
[07:37] <dope> ok
[07:38] <stdin> firecrotch: do you have the beryl icon in the system tray?
[07:38] <stdin> (looks like a ruby)
[07:38] <Mexandrew> Murchadh: Yes, XP is not recognized by GRUB
[07:38] <dope> beryl was nothing but a hassle for me.  i just gave up on it
[07:38] <firecrotch> stdin: no icon
[07:38] <noiesmo> dope, you got ati card
[07:38] <dope> nvidia
[07:38] <dope> on both computers
[07:39] <noiesmo> dope, w00t i have nvidia and beryl works fine little buggy now and then
[07:39] <stdin> firecrotch: strange, what if you press alt-f2 (to open the run dialog), and in there type: beryl-manager
[07:39] <dope> mine never worked properly
[07:39] <noiesmo> dope, :(
[07:39] <dope> it worked for a bit once but then i got an xserver crash on next restart
[07:39] <stdin> beryl has always worked for me
[07:40] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: Can you mount the partition WinXP is on under kubuntu?
[07:40] <dope> and i never got it to work properly afterwards, my window title bars disappear everytime
[07:40] <stdin> <-- intel gpu
[07:41] <Mexandrew> Murchadh: I think it's already mounted
[07:41] <Mexandrew> SOrry, this is teh second time I've ever played with Kubuntu
[07:41] <Mexandrew> I can access XP's partition under /media/hdb1
[07:41] <Mexandrew> so I guess it's mounted
[07:41] <nikola> how do you instal a beryl theme?
[07:42] <noiesmo> nikkiana, there actually emerld themes
[07:42] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: It's all good. At a shell type mount and report back what you get with regard to your WinXP partition.
[07:42] <noiesmo> nikola, there actually emerld themes
[07:42] <dope> what's the command to see all the file systems and percent of space they have?
[07:42] <nikola> i saw that by the extension....
[07:42] <dope> i think it's df something
[07:42] <noiesmo> dope, df -h
[07:42] <dope> that's it
[07:43] <firecrotch> stdin: beryl started, but I couldn't use my keyboard.  Ctrl + Alt + backspace to kill X, now beryl starts when I login
[07:43] <dope> wait maybe not
[07:43] <Mexandrew> That mus the the correct one
[07:43] <Mexandrew> Ah darn
[07:43] <stdin> firecrotch: hmm, so now you have the effects?
[07:43] <Mexandrew> "/dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb1 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46)"
[07:43] <firecrotch> stdin: yep.  I love you.  Marry me
[07:43] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: Does it say /dev/hdb1?
[07:43] <Mexandrew> yes
[07:44] <stdin> freeride: sorry, I don't do long distance relationships :p
[07:44] <Mexandrew> Wait, under Konqueror's file browser you mean?
[07:44] <ForgeAus> apparently VMWare does can/does provide 3D acceleration (via processor rather than video card driver... somehow)
[07:44] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: Gimme a minute to check my menu.lst.
[07:45] <mortici> anyone here have a sony vaio laptop, and have the brightness go up or down on ac in or out?
[07:45] <firecrotch> stdin: thanks for your help, and thanks for making my very first IRC experience a good one :D
[07:45] <Mexandrew> Murchadh: Okay. By the way, if I'm going to edit mine... can you tell me how to start Kate as root?
[07:45] <dope> mortici: that's to save power i think
[07:45] <mortici> dope, yes i know
[07:45] <Mexandrew> I tried kdesu Kate, but clearly it won't work
[07:45] <stdin> freeride: you're welcome :D
[07:45] <mortici> but it doesn't work on my laptop
[07:45] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: IBM ThinkPad here, working brightness change...
[07:45] <dope> oh
[07:45] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, wonderfull, but im on a sony :P
[07:45] <dope> mine does do that in linux
[07:45] <dope> i think
[07:46] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: Which Kubuntu?
[07:46] <Mexandrew> I don't know much about linux, this is the second time I've installedit, last time was 5 months ago, and it was Kubuntu breezy (5.10)
[07:46] <stdin> Mexandrew: kdesu kate should open kate as root
[07:46] <Mexandrew> This is the reason why I installed it again, 'cause I want to learn how to use it, since it's legal and well, I feel comfortable with it
[07:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Mexandrew: It's kate not Kate!
[07:47] <Mexandrew> MilhousePunkRock: Right, I tend to forget about not putting caps
[07:47] <Jucato> :O
[07:47] <stdin> :P
[07:47] <Mexandrew> My bad. *smacks his face on teh desk*
[07:47] <Mexandrew> But yeah, I've gots tons to learn.
[07:47] <Jucato> people are so case insensitive :P
[07:47] <Mexandrew> I'll learn, eventually, I promise.
[07:47] <Jucato> don't promise. just do :)
[07:48] <spitwise> heh, from man wipe: THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS THING TO DO.  Be sure to be sober.
[07:48] <Mexandrew> Might be funny if I tell you, I'm a mexican. And you RARELY see anything different than the comoon stuff (windows) in here
[07:48] <Mexandrew> common*
[07:48] <Mexandrew> Almost all PC techs are corrupt.
[07:48] <Mexandrew> and they do what is best to them
[07:48] <MilhousePunkRock> Mexandrew: I'm German, although this is the motherland of KDE, someone asked me if "this is the Apple OS"
[07:49] <Mexandrew> almost all of them who sell new assembled computers distribute pirated copies of Windows.
[07:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Though I do not even have a very mac-ish look here...
[07:49] <Mexandrew> MilhousePunkRock: Heh, well, the shinyness and the icons remind me of MacOS X, but I wouldn't confuse them
[07:49] <Mexandrew> I tell you, people are never told about these things
[07:50] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, running edgy 6.10
[07:50] <stdin> gnome looks more like mac than kde
[07:50] <Mexandrew> Murchadh: I found this link on Google, might give some clues...
[07:50] <Mexandrew> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=513476
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: Do you have that black, barred battery icon in the tray? (guidance power manager)
[07:54] <Mexandrew> Erm, I just freaked out. Is it normal for Kubuntu to turn off the screen for like 15 seconds if you just adjust the time display?
[07:55] <stdin> no
[07:56] <Mexandrew> *freaks out even more*
[07:56] <Mexandrew> Well, my system is somewhat damaged, so I am glad it didn't explode or anything
[07:58] <ForgeAus> erm defreak then!
[07:59] <ForgeAus> stdin if kdocker is installed then kde looks more like mac
[07:59] <ForgeAus> or can anyhow
[08:00] <ForgeAus> theres prolly an aqua-like theme for it too
[08:00] <stdin> kde can look like anything you want :p
[08:00] <ForgeAus> (whcih could also be true of gnome anyway)
[08:00] <ForgeAus> ahh but looking like and funtionality are two different beasts right?
[08:01] <ForgeAus> Apple went after Stardock for their XP theme that made it look like Aqua
[08:01] <ForgeAus> (I think it was panther before panther was actually released)
[08:02] <Mexandrew> Hmm, I guess Murchadh is kinda busy
[08:02] <Mexandrew> I found some instructions, and they shouldn't hurt kubuntu
[08:02] <Mexandrew> so I'm going to try them
[08:07] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/530/
[08:08] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: That needs to be added to your /boot/grub/menu.lst , well the last 5 lines of whats in the pastebin.
[08:09] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: That should boot an XP install on hdb1, Fingers crossed.
[08:09] <Mexandrew> Oh, thanks, Murchadh
[08:09] <Mexandrew> Yep, fingers crossed >->
[08:10] <Jucato> (toes crossed, too, if you want)
[08:11] <knivage> Hi everyone :)
[08:11] <firecrotch> Hi knivage
[08:11] <Rob-West> nixternal u here
[08:12] <Mexandrew> Well, Going to try Murchadh's fix
[08:12] <Mexandrew> Wish me luck, I'll be back soon
[08:12] <knivage> I finally got my Kubuntu 6.10 DVD (woot!) and I just needed some help setting up my Wireless adapter (Realtek RTL8187) which I got with my M2N32 SLI Delux MoBo.
[08:12] <knivage> Apparently Edgy supports it out of the box but I'm not sure how to set it up.
[08:13] <knivage> Anyone know what to do? I haven't got much experience with Linux.
[08:13] <Murchadh> !wireless
[08:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:14] <knivage> Thanks!
[08:14] <Rob-West> Ubuntu owns
[08:14] <Rob-West> i like it
[08:15] <Rob-West> ive never messed with wireless
[08:15] <Rob-West> unless a cordless phone counts
[08:15] <knivage> So, can all this be adapted to Kubuntu?
[08:16] <knivage> Where would I go for all these settings?
[08:16] <Rob-West> go to the networking area
[08:16] <Rob-West> hang on
[08:16] <Murchadh> knivage: I think hardware wise, yeah!
[08:16] <knivage> Okay, thanks :)
[08:16] <Rob-West> im using the wrong ubuntu
[08:16] <Rob-West> in in gnome not kde
[08:16] <knivage> lol :p
[08:17] <Rob-West> im in *
[08:17] <Rob-West> so i cant help
[08:17] <MilhousePunkRock> knivage: Anything that's done on the shell applies to all *buntus
[08:17] <knivage> ok.
[08:18] <Rob-West> network settings should be in System -> Administrator -> Network Tools
[08:18] <Rob-West> atleast thats where its at in gnome
[08:18] <mexandrew> And as I've said in previous times...
[08:18] <mexandrew> Oh damnation.
[08:19] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Didn't Work T-T
[08:19] <mexandrew> I've got 2 options then
[08:19] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Did it give you that option at boot time?
[08:20] <mexandrew> Err, yes, I pressed ESC to see the menu
[08:20] <mexandrew> option was there, didn't work
[08:20] <Rob-West> knivage it should be called Networking
[08:20] <mexandrew> froze at starting up..."
[08:21] <mexandrew> I can try to do a chkdsk -p and fixbott from Windows XP's install CD
[08:21] <knivage> okay, I think that I might of been in something before taht listed my wireless adapted and my 2 ethernet ports and they were all active I think but when I goto look at wireless networks the list is empty.
[08:21] <knivage> im not in linux at the moment so I can't really check.
[08:21] <fiandre> Hi. how can I retrieve the hostname from an ip? thnks
[08:22] <mexandrew> or remove Kubuntu, install a fresh XP installation, edit the boot.ini file so my previous, complete XP will boot, then install Kubuntu again, somewhere else so GRUB will see it
[08:23] <heapme> how can i make it so i can copy files to my ntfs partition (it says it's read only right now)?
[08:24] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Has windows ever booted with the drive as the second drive on the first ide chain. Was that it's physical location when XP used to work?
[08:24] <knivage> Well, I think I'll boot up in Kubuntu now and have a look around the networking options :)
[08:24] <knivage> Thanks for the help :)
[08:24] <knivage> Cya.
[08:24] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Yes
[08:25] <mexandrew> But... well, it's time to risk myself appearing as some sort of knowitall who just pulls things out of nowhere
[08:25] <mexandrew> First of all, I had 98SE only. On first partition, on first HDD.
[08:25] <Murchadh> mexandrew: I vaguely recall a /mbr switch for chkdsk or somesuch!
[08:25] <stdin> fiandre: you can install the 'host' package to do that
[08:25] <stdin> !host | fiandre
[08:25] <ubotu> host: utility for querying DNS servers. In component universe, is extra. Version 20000331-9 (edgy), package size 69 kB, installed size 168 kB
[08:25] <mexandrew> Then, I added XP on first partition on salve, secondary HDD
[08:26] <mexandrew> slave*
[08:26] <mexandrew> Then, 98SE got corrupted, so I decide to install Kubuntu there
[08:26] <mexandrew> and WHAMMO
[08:26] <mexandrew> Here I am
[08:26] <fiandre> stdin: thnks
[08:26] <mexandrew> As I see it, my previous boot loader (XP's) wa socmpletely wiped, and whatever wasin teh MBR replaced by GRUB
[08:27] <stdin> np fiandre
[08:27] <mexandrew> Since I deleted my first partition on my first HDD before installing Kubuntu (I did it on the installer's partition assistant thing)
[08:27] <mexandrew> I guess it's all gone
[08:27] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Don't go there yet.
[08:28] <mexandrew> Murchadh: I guess I should try... either way, I'd have to reinstall Kubuntu (or find a way of installing GRUB and configuring it properly)
[08:28] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Huh?
[08:28] <Murchadh> mexandrew: First off, you can access the data on the XP partition, right?
[08:29] <mexandrew> From Kubuntu? Yes, I can.
[08:29] <mexandrew>  /media/hdb1
[08:31] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Cool! I would in your situation try putting the XP Drive in as Master and see if you can get it to boot, using repair disk if neccessary. See what happens from there...
[08:31] <mortici> anyone here running on a sony laptop?
[08:32] <mexandrew> Hmm, good idea...
[08:32] <mexandrew> That way, the modification you sent me would work
[08:32] <mexandrew> As I see it.
[08:33] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: If you have that guidance power manager icon in the tray, you should be able to set up the brightness from there, like I was trying to tell you before...
[08:33] <Murchadh> mexandrew: XP partition likes to be first anyway, so it's a good start.
[08:33] <mexandrew> heh
[08:34] <mexandrew> Well, in just a moment I'll try
[08:34] <deus3> hey, could someone recomend a laptop power manager?  I need something that will maybe sit in the system tray or on the panel and tell me how much power I have left, and give me a warning when its running low
[08:35] <deus3> right now my computer will actually just stop working suddenly because I had no idea I was running out of power
[08:35] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Demote?
[08:35] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, i have the power manager running
[08:35] <mortici> and i have it set to lower the brightness, but it doesn't
[08:35] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: Guidance Power Manager for example
[08:36] <mexandrew> Anyway
[08:36] <mexandrew> must try that solution you gave me
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: You did hit "apply", didn't you?
[08:36] <mexandrew> BRB
[08:36] <deus3> do you know what the apt-get for that is?
[08:36] <Murchadh> mexandrew: From first to second, or third perhaps in the partition order!
[08:36] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, of courwse
[08:36] <mortici> err course
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Hmm...
[08:36] <mortici> how do you adjust your brightness through the konsole?
[08:38] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: "sudo apt-get install kde-guidance-powermanager" I guess...
[08:38] <mortici> i have that installed
[08:39] <dope> what's the average size buffer most harddrives have now a days?
[08:39] <deus3> MilhousePunkRock: I seem to have it, but I cant find it anywhere on my system.
[08:39] <deus3> MilhousePunkRock: is it in the system tray?
[08:40] <kraut> moin
[08:40] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: I think I had that problem too, but I can't remember how I solved it. Should be in the tray, yes...
[08:40] <ironfroggy> how can i get OOo to use my cups printer?
[08:40] <deus3> MilhousePunkRock: are you sure you dont remeber?
[08:40] <MilhousePunkRock> ironfroggy: Can't you just choose it?
[08:41] <ironfroggy> it doesnt show anything besides "default printer" which doesnt do anything
[08:41] <ironfroggy> hmm.. unless my cups config is messed up again
[08:41] <ironfroggy> my printer keeps changing IPs
[08:41] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: Might be I entered "guidance-powermanager" or something alike on a shell and it appeared...  Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato or DBO
[08:43] <Balsamic_Chicken> i use kbfx background for panel bar, is there anway to make the panel bar background translucent?
[08:43] <someguy22> its just an i386 install
[08:43] <Hobbsee> !language > someguy22
[08:43] <mortici> damn it i need to edit the acpi power.sh script
[08:43] <mortici> i just don't know how
[08:43] <Jucato> someguy22: stop that
[08:43] <Hobbsee> !nvidia | someguy22
[08:43] <ubotu> someguy22: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:43] <MilhousePunkRock> someguy22: You best go back to "the other distros youve tried"
[08:44] <someguy22> milhouse, i probably will
[08:44] <Hobbsee> someguy22: please check that factoid for info on how to install nvidia stuff
[08:44] <burepe> I just installed 6.10 and the resolution is really low. I had the older one on this comp and it was fine. What can I do to fix that?
[08:45] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: Google is your friend, VAIOs are pretty popular so there will be some guide or even an altered power.sh out there for sure
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: have you tried launching guidance with "guidance-power-manager" ?
[08:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> burepe if u use nividia, i think u can use call in konsole the nvidia command (something like) nvidia-config to change resolution, i forget exact command, but once u find out, u can man that command and see the example section for what to do =)
[08:51] <deus3> hold on
[08:51] <mexandrew> Damnation, once again.
[08:51] <deus3> It thinks its not a laptop
[08:51] <mexandrew> "NTLDR is missing"
[08:51] <burepe> Is there a server install option when installing from the cd?
[08:51] <deus3> It cant find a battery
[08:55] <burepe> what is 6.10 called?
[08:55] <deus3> oh I see
[08:55] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Sounds fixable!
[08:55] <mexandrew> Maybe, maybe not.
[08:56] <mexandrew> What bothers me is that it used to work
[08:56] <mexandrew> Damn I hate windows
[08:56] <stdin> burepe: yes there is a server install option and 6.10 is called edgy
[08:56] <ironfroggy> ok the problem isnt my cups config, so how do i tell OOo where to find the cups server?
[08:56] <scott> Does anybody know why I would get this message..."Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting"?
[08:56] <Sir_Penguin> Hi again, (I was knivage by the way).
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> ironfroggy: usually it's the machine's IP where the printer is connected and port 631
[08:57] <Murchadh> mexandrew: http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm for starters.
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> If it's a local printer, it should be localhost:631
[08:57] <burepe> stdin I just installed it and I didn''t see a server option.
[08:57] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, found a script finally that works
[08:57] <mortici> thanks for the help tho :)
[08:57] <Sir_Penguin> I've been having a look around the wireless settings of Kubuntu and I think I'm getting somewhere except our wireless network uses WPA2 but Kubuntu seems to want to use WEP, is there some way to change the security settings?
[08:58] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: No problem
[08:58] <scott> Can anybody offer some help on an error message?
[08:58] <ironfroggy> its not a local printer. and the problem isnt me knowing here it is, but how to tell OOo that.
[08:58] <stdin> burepe: it should be one of the options when you boot from the CD, it may be something like "install a minimal system"
[08:58] <burepe> If I install the server do I have desktop functions?
[08:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Sir_Penguin: What I did was turn the encryption down to WEP to start with. Once that was working, I set it back to WPA and edited the network configuration manually...
[08:59] <stdin> burepe: not by default, it's a text system.
[08:59] <burepe> so how do I get both easy?
[08:59] <stdin> burepe: you can use a desktop system as a server
[08:59] <Sir_Penguin> Okay, thanks. How do I do that second bit you were talking about?
[08:59] <Sir_Penguin> Manually editing the configuration.
[08:59] <mexandrew> Murchadh: I guess I should give that a try.
[09:00] <burepe> I did but it didn't work I couldn't get php working so I reinstalled thinking it would be easier
[09:00] <beels15> its here a peaple from germany ?
[09:00] <mexandrew> I hate being so lazy though, and I'm listening to some music I like a lot, so you see how much I want to turn it off right now and start fixing everything ;P
[09:00] <burepe> hmm... do you know the best way to install a server?
[09:01] <Murchadh> mexandrew: There's a lot to work through, but a lot of learning. Have a good read while you absorb that music.
[09:01] <stdin> burepe: the server install CD will let you setup a LAMP server (LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP), or you can look at this page for help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:01] <beels15> ist hir jemand aus Deutschland ?
[09:02] <burepe> Yeah that is the faq i used
[09:02] <stdin> !de | beels15
[09:02] <ubotu> beels15: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:02] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Heh, yeah. Someday I'll be able to master Kubuntu.   Is that the same problem you had?
[09:02] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Good Luck!
[09:02] <beels15> rcht herzlichen Dank
[09:03] <beels15> und ein frohes neues Jahr nachtrglich
[09:03] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: Not really, I was having issues with ACPI though...
[09:03] <stdin> !de > beels15
[09:03] <deus3> apparently acpi controls all the power management stuff in laptops... poweroff, batterys, screen brightness, etc
[09:04] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: Indeed... If it's disabled, you won't get any laptop specific stuff...
[09:04] <Sir_Penguin> Well, I'll try changing to WEP for now, see if I get anywhere, thanks for the help :D
[09:04] <deus3> yeah, Id like to figure out why it didnt work... tommarow.
[09:04] <deus3> goodnight
[09:04] <stdin> burepe: you could ask in #php or ##php for php help
[09:05] <stdin> burepe: or you can just use the server install cd
[09:05] <burepe> I was on it for days. No one could figure out what the problem is. Too late now I reinstalled already.  Now I got to fix the resolution.
[09:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> do u guys know if there's a webcam channel? i tried webcam, there's no such channel, and i was the only one there lol i'm trying to get logitech quickcam 5000 pro to work, some people have it working in mandriva, i use kubuntu, so i'm a little lost =)
[09:05] <burepe> thanks though
[09:06] <stdin> burepe: look at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto for resolution help
[09:06] <stdin> !webcam | Balsamic_Chicken
[09:06] <ubotu> Balsamic_Chicken: webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:07] <burepe> stdin Thanks but I don't have a video card.
[09:07] <stdin> burepe: console resolution then?
[09:07] <burepe> No
[09:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin mine is logitech quickcam 5000, are u sure that's gonna work, it's not supported but some people have it working, i've followed almost every guide on google, but most of them seems to be leaving out obvious but important steps here and there, and i downloaded a bunch of stuff, i just don't know how to pull them together
[09:08] <stdin> burepe: what do you mean you don't have a video card then?
[09:08] <burepe> do all computers have video cards? I thought only like gamers and stuff
[09:08] <burepe> no?
[09:08] <burepe> ok sorry
[09:09] <stdin> burepe: it'll probably be an intergrated one, but the instructions are the same
[09:09] <burepe> Thanks
[09:09] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: I don't have a webcam, so I don't know, but take a look at the guide to try
[09:11] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin ...
[09:11] <Balsamic_Chicken> :)
[09:16] <mortici> another question, do you guys get the OSD through kde for brightness up/down?
[09:16] <frojnd> !osd
[09:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about osd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <mexandrew> And for the third time, damnation.
[09:17] <mexandrew> But oh well
[09:17] <mexandrew> I've come up with a nasty solution, but right now I'm bored, and sleepy
[09:17] <mexandrew> so tomorrow I'll have to fix this
[09:18] <frojnd> have a nice dream
[09:18] <mexandrew> Thanks
[09:18] <mexandrew> and please thanks Murchadh and Dr_Willis on my behalf
[09:18] <mexandrew> thank*
[09:18] <mexandrew> good night everyone
[09:19] <frojnd> its morninge here.. :P
[09:19] <jan__> Hi all... regarding the OSD for brightness: nope, I don't have any
[09:20] <frojnd> what's osd (blush)
[09:20] <jan__> On Screen Display
[09:20] <frojnd> aa
[09:21] <frojnd> I got lcd monitor and I just love it, no sun reflexion :)
[09:21] <frojnd> ok a little
[09:25] <dbase13> good morning
[09:26] <burepe> stdin that faq has a command to redo the auto detect but it is for dapper can I use it even for edgy?
[09:26] <stdin> burepe: yes
[09:26] <ReFF> i just spend my night switching from ubuntu to kubuntu... pretty cool :-) but i have a little problem
[09:27] <ReFF> when i open konqueror
[09:27] <mohd> hello all
[09:27] <burepe> It says after that just hit ok a bunch of times, but the questions seem pretty important. like what driver and keyboard layout. should I just go with it? am i getting to the right screen?
[09:28] <ReFF> when i open konqueror and try to open the path "/" (which should normally give me root folder, including /bin, /boot,...) i get an empty folder
[09:28] <burepe> amount of memory to be used by video card? Just leave it blank?
[09:28] <ReFF> anyone?
[09:28] <stdin> burepe: yes, you can just hit enter, it uses the ones you already have, you only need to change the part about the resolution
[09:29] <stdin> ReFF: you on edgy?
[09:29] <ReFF> yep
[09:29] <burepe> ok thanks
[09:29] <ReFF> since tonight
[09:29] <stdin> that's why then, they are just hidden :p
[09:29] <ReFF> (i am at work now, on windows, so i can't try anything)
[09:29] <ReFF> yeah, i taught that in first place 2
[09:30] <stdin> you can look at the wiki page
[09:30] <stdin> !hidden
[09:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[09:30] <ReFF> omg
[09:30] <ReFF> sorry for the noobish question
[09:30] <ReFF> :-)
[09:30] <ReFF> and thanx
[09:30] <stdin> it wasn't well announced, so most people didn't know
[09:31] <stdin> the "feature" wont be in the next release tho
[09:31] <stdin> because everyone hated it :p
[09:31] <burepe> stdin which resolution should I use. I was at 800-600. so 1024-768 is prob ok right?
[09:31] <Jucato> "wasn't well announced"? It wasn't announced at all :P
[09:31] <ReFF> hehe
[09:31] <stdin> Jucato: well, yeah :p
[09:32] <ReFF> anyways, i figured i'd give KDE a chance
[09:32] <stdin> burepe: yeah, 1024x768 sounds good
[09:33] <burepe> One question, why would it auto detect it this time but not during the install. After the intall there were 2 settings, one being 800-600, but now there were 3 and 1024-768 was already selected.
[09:34] <ubuntu> anyone know of a program to convert mp3's to ACC
[09:34] <stdin> burepe: no idea, it worked for me (tm)
[09:34] <burepe> oh magic!
[09:34] <burepe> got it
[09:34] <burepe> nice
[09:34] <burepe> you know your stuff
[09:35] <frojnd> hello guys.. I have edgy and ge force FX 5500 I wanna to install drivers...
[09:36] <burepe> uh-oh!
[09:36] <stdin> !nvidia | frojnd
[09:36] <ubotu> frojnd: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:36] <burepe> stdin when I got to the log in it was in the right resolution but after it loaded all I get i a beige screen
[09:36] <burepe> no gui
[09:37] <stdin> burepe: try pressing ctrl-alt-BackSpace
[09:37] <stdin> to restart X
[09:37] <burepe> nothing
[09:37] <frojnd> and why the F my cpu works with 100% when I use firefox :S and only when I use firefox...
[09:38] <burepe> that was what brought me to  the log in
[09:38] <frojnd> I am checking this with gkrellm
[09:38] <burepe> frojnd: I heard about that problem before. I think it is a know issue
[09:39] <frojnd> hm..
[09:39] <frojnd> so where are you ppl haveing prob with firefox?
[09:39] <stdin> burepe: do you see the KDM screen when you go to login?
[09:39] <ubuntu> !ACC
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ACC - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <burepe> I am in a loop back to the log in screen now
[09:40] <stdin> ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/AAC
[09:40] <stdin> burepe: is it KDM?
[09:40] <stdin> burepe: the kubuntu login screen?
[09:40] <burepe> no It is gnome. I just installed from the ubuntu cd
[09:40] <burepe> ubuntu log in screen
[09:41] <stdin> burepe: which session did you choose, kde or gnome?
[09:41] <ReFF> you're in a Kubuntu channel burepe :-)
[09:42] <burepe> i know. I just reinstalled from a ubuntu cd. I figured I should fx the screen resolution first and that problem would not be version dependant
[09:42] <burepe> stdin right now there is only gnome
[09:43] <stdin> if gnome isn't starting (just goes back to gdm login screen), then the people in #ubuntu can help more than me
[09:43] <BlackPhoenixx> burepe: just go to TTY1 -> Ctrl+Alt+F1 -> Login -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:45] <ReFF>  i wonder why the developers just hid the folders in root
[09:45] <stdin> maybe because it confuses new users
[09:46] <Jucato> ReFF: you read the wiki page?
[09:46] <ReFF> partially
[09:46] <flaccid> any ipw2200/wpa users here?
[09:46] <ReFF> i'm a new user, and believe me, i was more confused by having no folders in root than that i would have been if there had been a whole bunch of them :-)
[09:46] <burepe> BlackPhoenixx: thanks. Um I am there now but there is something messed that I did last time I was doing this to make it go crazy. What part do you think it was? I had low screen resolution at 800-600 so I re did this and it auto-detected 1024-728. After that the log in was the right resolution but I kept looping back. What setting did I miss?
[09:47] <ReFF> @Jucato: why?
[09:47] <Jucato> ReFF: coz it sort of explains why it was done (hidding some of the folders), iirc
[09:47] <ReFF> ow
[09:48] <stdin> from wiki page: "This feature was added to simplify navigation of the file system by only showing directories which contain user files."
[09:48] <ReFF> i got that page open
[09:48] <ReFF> yeah, ok, i read that part
[09:48] <ReFF> it's not much of an explanation imo... but ok: yeah, i read it ;-)
[09:49] <Jucato> the intention/goal was noble... but the implementation leaves something to be desired... imho
[09:49] <burepe> Ok, I am back to the same problem
[09:49] <ReFF> :-)
[09:50] <stdin> burepe: it seems to be a gnome problam
[09:50] <stdin> *problem
[09:50] <riccardo_> hi, I've recorded a cd but unfortunately too fast and now some files could not read, there is a solution?
[09:51] <ReFF> i just switched from Ubuntu 6.06 to Kubuntu 6.10 tonight (instead of getting some sleep before work)
[09:51] <stdin> riccardo_: only if it's a rewritable cd
[09:51] <stdin> riccardo_: otherwise you now have a new coaster
[09:51] <riccardo_> no but it's not important to use another cd just i need to read this files now
[09:51] <ReFF> and it was really going well, until i had to look for my root folders for 20 minuts
[09:51] <ReFF> it was about 5.40 in the morning, so it made me gave up :-)
[09:52] <ReFF> caught a good hour of sleep thaough
[09:52] <ReFF> hehe
[09:52] <ReFF> -a
[09:52] <riccardo_> exist any software that recover my cd ?
[09:52] <riccardo_> there are only two files that i can't read
[09:52] <burepe> I just asked on #ubuntu.
[09:52] <ReFF> what do you mean with 'recoring a cd'?
[09:52] <burepe> thanks
[09:53] <BlackPhoenixx> burepe: wanted to change to PM but i'm not registerd yet, so the main scren wil have to do
[09:53] <burepe> join #burepe
[09:53] <flaccid> !ipw2200
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipw2200 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <riccardo_> I'm trying to create a folder in my desktop and i can copy all the files except thi two files help me please :(
[09:54] <stdin> ReFF: I'm thinking he meant burnt a CD
[09:54] <mortici> how do i add modules to autoload at startup?
[09:54] <riccardo_> yes burnt a cd
[09:54] <Jucato> please keep support questions and answers in the main channel as much as possible.
[09:54] <riccardo_> but probably too fast
[09:54] <ReFF> he said 'recovering a cd'
[09:54] <stdin> mortici: add them to /etc/modules  ,one module per line
[09:55] <riccardo_> reff sorry for my bad english try to understand me
[09:55] <riccardo_> i need to open this two files that result like corrupt
[09:55] <ReFF> no problem riccardo, english is not my language either
[09:55] <riccardo_> i'm italian
[09:56] <ReFF> have you tried copying them to your hard drive?
[09:56] <stdin> ReFF: that's what he's trying to do
[09:56] <riccardo_> yes i have, and i can copy all the files except these two files
[09:56] <ReFF> ow, i tried he was opening directly from the cd
[09:56] <frojnd> how do I know what linux do I have installed?
[09:57] <ReFF> had that problem too with cd's, but i never got it solves
[09:57] <frojnd> I know it's edgy, don't know what it is 64bit or 32bit
[09:57] <riccardo_> kubuntu
[09:57] <ReFF> solved
[09:57] <riccardo_> kde
[09:57] <frojnd> if I uname -a: Linux umbrella 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:57] <ReFF> did you write that cd with the same distro?
[09:57] <riccardo_> now with windows vista and nero burning rom
[09:57] <riccardo_> :(
[09:57] <riccardo_> i have burnt the cd
[09:58] <ReFF> ow
[09:58] <ReFF> :-s
[09:58] <riccardo_> :(((
[09:58] <ReFF> i haven't even installed vista yet... it's to demanding for my hardware
[09:58] <riccardo_> and i haven't a backup about these files
[09:58] <stdin> riccardo_: there is an Itallian kubuntu support channel if you feel more comfortable speaking italian, #kubuntu-it
[09:59] <riccardo_> thanks but there isn't anyone that can help me
[09:59] <stdin> frojnd: you have the 32bit version (shown my the i686 part)
[09:59] <riccardo_> i will try to find something with google...
[09:59] <riccardo_> :(
[10:00] <ReFF> i fear there isn't really a solution for your problem riccardo
[10:00] <frojnd> stdin: ok
[10:00] <stdin> riccardo_: you probably can't recover the files, the files weren't burnt correctly
[10:00] <riccardo_> reff i know but... I have no idea how to do :(
[10:00] <Werdnum> is the kubuntu version of amarok compiled with the MTP plugin?
[10:01] <frojnd> stdin: so I have to install: linux-restricted-modules-686
[10:01] <frojnd> for my nvidia..
[10:01] <riccardo_> stdin I was reading about softwares that maybe recover cd
[10:01] <scott> need help with an error message
[10:01] <riccardo_> because these files are in the cd
[10:02] <stdin> frojnd: yes, or you can use 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`'
[10:02] <riccardo_> only if i try to copy say error
[10:02] <riccardo_> bye bye and thanks @ all
[10:02] <scott> my computer gives me an error shortly after using mp3 software
[10:03] <stdin> bye riccardo_
[10:03] <ReFF> ciao Riccardo
[10:03] <stdin> and good luck
[10:03] <sleepy543> where can I find the file manager in kubuntu 6.06?
[10:03] <ReFF> yep, hope you get your prob fixed
[10:03] <ReFF> sleepy: konqueror
[10:03] <Jucato> sleepy543: it's Konqueror
[10:03] <sleepy543> thanks
[10:03] <ReFF> :-)
[10:04] <scott> Can anybody help me with my error message?
[10:04] <Jucato> sleepy543: Konqueror is file manager and web browser. to launch it as a file manager, click on the system menu button on the taskbar and select Home or whatever the choices there
[10:04] <stdin> scott: what's the error tho?
[10:04] <Werdnum> scott: they could help you if you gave a succinct description of the problem, including the actual error, in one message
[10:04] <scott> Sound server fatal error: cpu overload aborting
[10:05] <stdin> I have never seen that error before, scott
[10:05] <scott> that's not good
[10:06] <scott> It comes about 20sec to 1min after I begin playing music with amarok
[10:06] <m0ns00n> Anyone else experience that contact crashes all the time?
[10:06] <m0ns00n> kontact sorry
[10:06] <Jucato> not here..
[10:07] <m0ns00n> Jucato: Do you use the calendar?
[10:07] <m0ns00n> Jucato: And the todo list etc
[10:07] <Jucato> yep
[10:07] <m0ns00n> Wierd
[10:07] <m0ns00n> When I click from calendar to mail and then calendar, it crashes
[10:07] <Jucato> Koncact with KMail, KOrganizer, Akregator, and BasKet
[10:08] <m0ns00n> Try to click on summary, then mail, inbox, summary and calendar
[10:08] <Jucato> no crash
[10:08] <m0ns00n> Wierd
[10:08] <m0ns00n> here it does crash
[10:08] <m0ns00n> Could perhaps be amd64 issues?
[10:08] <m0ns00n> Also kwin crashes sometimes when using contacts
[10:08] <Jucato> ah.. probably... I'm not on 64-bit
[10:11] <ReFF> doesn't crash here eiter, but i'm not on 64-bit either
[10:12] <frojnd> if I wanna in one command remove some package and install another how can I do that?? sudo apt-get remove 1 install 2 ?
[10:13] <bele_> command1; command2   works....
[10:14] <frojnd> so: sudo apt-get remove 1; install 2 ?
[10:14] <frojnd> or: sudo apt-get remove 1; sudo apt-get install 2 ?
[10:14] <stdin> like, sudo apt-get remove 1; sudo apt-get install 2
[10:14] <bele_> not quite ... yes secord should be correct
[10:15] <Jucato> sudo apt-get remove 1 && sudo apt-get install 2
[10:15] <stdin> same, but different
[10:15] <Jucato> the difference is that with ;, the 2nd command gets executed regardless of whether the 1st command successfully finishes
[10:16] <Jucato> with && the 2nd command only executes if the 1st finished correctly
[10:16] <stdin> yes, isn't bash great :p
[10:16] <ReFF> hehe
[10:16] <ReFF> sweet
[10:16] <ReFF> didn't know that eiter
[10:16] <ReFF> either
[10:16] <llutz> stdin: if you find bash great, start using zsh :)
[10:18] <stdin> you can do 'command 1 && command 2 || command 3' which will execute command 1 and, if it fails, command 3 will be executed, but if it didn't fail command2 will run
[10:20] <Jucato> of course, you couldn't do that with apt-get :)
[10:20] <frojnd> but eith?
[10:20] <frojnd> with
[10:21] <Jucato> any other command... you can't run more than 1 apt-get process simultaneously
[10:21] <stdin> you can do it with any command, it's just not too useful with apt-get
[10:21] <stdin> Jucato: it won't run apt-get more than once at the same time
[10:21] <llutz> Jucato: command-list wit && / || do not run simultaneously
[10:21] <Jucato> oh yeah.. I was thinking of &
[10:22] <Jucato> sorry lol
[10:22] <llutz> tiny difference
[10:22] <stdin> think of it as a simple form of and if statement
[10:22] <stdin> s/and/an/
[10:23] <Jucato> yeah
[10:23] <stdin> except in that example, command 3 will run if command1 OR command2 fail
[10:24] <stdin> shell scripting is fun :p
[10:24] <jpiccolo> anyone using conky?
[10:24] <frojnd> after I restart my X... If I won't be able to come in GUI or even in linux... How can I come in some kind of not graphic or safe mode (while rebooting) so I will be able to backup xorg.conf ??
[10:24] <frojnd> before*
[10:25] <frojnd> that I wasn't able to come in linux happned before... and I install my kubuntu all over again :S
[10:25] <stdin> frojnd: in the grub menu there is a recovery or single user mode, that's what you want
[10:25] <frojnd> k
[10:25] <frojnd> let's restart
[10:25] <matthew> I wonder if genii is dead?
[10:26] <zeek> after playing around with xgl and beryl I can no longer use my V and B keys with out hitting shift, does anyone know how to fix this?
[10:26] <matthew> zeek, try seperating your fingers. that way you can hit each key individually.
[10:26] <ReFF> wow, thats a weird problem
[10:26] <stdin> haven't seen genii since yesterday
[10:27] <ReFF> you guys here every day?
[10:27] <matthew> ReFF, pretty much
[10:27] <matthew> I try to be, at least...
[10:27] <zeek> matthew: try not answering questions you don't know the answer to
[10:27] <stdin> I'm normally here
[10:27] <matthew> although my most used phrase is "sorry, no idea"...lol.
[10:27] <noiesmo> have a amd am2 3800+ wanna install ubuntu would it be better to install 32bit for apps/drivers than 64bit ubuntu and would there be a noticeable difference between 32bit and 64bit ubuntu?
[10:28] <matthew> zeek, it's 1:30 AM here, haven't slept for about 20 hours. I'm entitled to a little fun...I was just kidding. Can't take a joke?
[10:28] <sleepy543> I installed planet penguin, it's not in the games section, where did it go?
[10:28] <zeek> not when it's 3:30am here and I'm trying to code and can't use V and B with out hitting shift
[10:29] <stdin> noiesmo: the only advantages with 64bit over 32bit (that I know of), is if you have 4GB+ RAM and/or need very accurate math
[10:29] <matthew> sleepy543, try typing planetpenguin in the terminal...
[10:29] <noiesmo> stdin, cool thanks
[10:29] <zeek> is there a way I can reBind them to work normal?
[10:29] <matthew> zeek, sorry, no idea
[10:30] <ReFF> that's a really weird problem
[10:30] <sleepy543> says "bash: planetpenguin-racer: command not found
[10:30] <stdin> sleepy543: it's under games -> arcade -> Planet Penguin Racer for me
[10:30] <stdin> sleepy543: and the command to run it is "ppracer"
[10:31] <sleepy543> thanks it works but how do I add it to arcade, it's not there but the command works
[10:32] <stdin> sleepy543: it'll probably show after a logout and login
[10:32] <stdin> sleepy543: or you could kill and restart kicker
[10:33] <wildchild> how do I check if graphic drivers are installed
[10:34] <noiesmo> wildchild, lsmod and alos see logs /var/logs/Xorg.0.log
[10:34] <noiesmo> */alos/also
[10:34] <fiandre> Hi. i'm trying to use minicom. in the configuration menu the serial device results as /dev/tt8 . how can y verify if this is correct? I mean: how can i verify which exact /dev/ttxx corresponds to the attched modem? thnks
[10:34] <sleepy543> not familiar with kicker, how do I do that?
[10:36] <stdin> sleepy543: from the run dialog, you can type: killall kicker && kicker
[10:36] <stdin> !kicker
[10:36] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[10:36] <Jucato> what seems to be the problem?
[10:36] <Jucato> oh...
[10:37] <Jucato> sleepy543: run this command in Konsole. Ignore the errors: kbuildsycoca
[10:37] <Jucato> that would update your menu
[10:37] <stdin> konsole or the run dialog
[10:37] <stdin> it works in both
[10:37] <Jucato> :)
[10:37] <james> !upgrade
[10:37] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:40] <dbase13> wtf
[10:40] <ReFF> got weird problems with mIRC here
[10:40] <stdin> eww, mirc
[10:41] <stdin> :p
[10:41] <ReFF> hehe
[10:41] <ReFF> yes, at work i use a wintel laptop
[10:41] <stdin> can't you do a sneaky dual boot install? :p
[10:42] <jpiccolo> what do i have to do to see my cpu temp
[10:42] <ReFF> i don't have to do it sneaky :-)
[10:42] <sleepy543> did kbuildsycoca, didn't work
[10:42] <ReFF> but i'd rather keep things separated
[10:42] <Jucato> hm...
[10:42] <stdin> ReFF: makes you appreciate kubuntu more :p
[10:43] <ReFF> i have a transport company with 2 other people... one of them has written a fully integrated program, which only runs on windows
[10:43] <ReFF> thereby, using Kubuntu for work at this stage would be inconvenient
[10:43] <stdin> ReFF: have you tried it in wine tho?
[10:44] <ReFF> not yet, but i definitely wil
[10:44] <stdin> sleepy543: did you try killing kicker and restarting it?
[10:44] <ReFF> will
[10:44] <ReFF> just need some time to get used to kubuntu, than i might just install as a dual boor
[10:44] <sleepy543> i'll try again
[10:44] <vado> Bonjour
[10:44] <ReFF> thing is: i have a sony vaio T3, very nice an ultra-portable
[10:44] <ReFF> but not so strong processor
[10:44] <stdin> !fr | vado
[10:44] <ubotu> vado: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:45] <vado> fuck off stdin
[10:45] <ReFF> vado, he's just trying to help you
[10:45] <stdin> that's what you get whan you say bonjour
[10:45] <fiandre> Hi. i'm trying to use minicom. in the configuration menu the serial device results as /dev/tt8 . how can y verify if this is correct? I mean: how can i verify which exact /dev/ttxx corresponds to the attched modem? thnks
[10:45] <ReFF> il veut te diriger vers un channel francais, pour que tu puisse etre aider
[10:45] <ReFF> aid
[10:45] <mortici> how do i disable a module from loading, and how do i get a /dev device to have a certain chmod setting at bootup?
[10:45] <ReFF> :-)
[10:46] <vado> ReFF: j'en ai aps besoin
[10:46] <sleepy543> stdin, nope both ways didn't work
[10:46] <ReFF> bon, ice on parle anglais... c'est tout
[10:46] <mortici> anyone?
[10:46] <stdin> sleepy543: you can add it to the menu manually
[10:46] <sleepy543> ok, how do I do that? :)
[10:47] <vado> ReFF: il ne vont pas me dire a a chaque fois que je dit bonjour j'espere
[10:47] <stdin> sleepy543: right click on the games menu and choose "Edit Menu"
[10:47] <sleepy543> k
[10:47] <ReFF> vado, english please ;-)
[10:47] <vado> si je leur dit "mdsfjijsd" il vont me faire "lesingeblanc | vado" ?
[10:47] <mortici> how do i remove a module from autoloading at bootup?
[10:48] <sleepy543> now what?
[10:48] <stdin> mortici: add the module name to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[10:49] <stdin> sleepy543: click on the arcade sub menu, and then click File -> New Item
[10:49] <ReFF> what is the command to chat with someone in private?
[10:49] <stdin> ReFF: /msg NickName Message
[10:49] <mortici> stdin, if a module makes a /dev/foo there is no way to set a permanent chmod setting unless i put that module built into the kernel correct?
[10:49] <vado> query i think
[10:51] <stdin> mortici: you would have to edit/create a udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[10:51] <ReFF> do you peolple see the msg is sent to vado?
[10:51] <stdin> mortici: but I can't help further than that, you can ask in ##linux maybe
[10:51] <stdin> ReFF: no, only you and vado see it
[10:52] <mortici> stdin, thanks
[10:52] <stdin> no problem,  mortici
[10:52] <ForgeAus> the thing I don't like about Linux so much is that so much has to be done on the command line
[10:52] <ReFF> cant i just click on a nickname in the right margin or something? i think i remember something like that from a couple years ago, when i downloaded a lot tru irc
[10:52] <ForgeAus> like its all patched together or something
[10:52] <ReFF> ow, it does :-)
[10:52] <ReFF> just double-click
[10:53] <stdin> :p
[10:54] <stdin> ForgeAus: most things can be done in gui, but more advanced things need command line
[10:54] <ForgeAus> like installing software that isn't listed in Adept for example
[10:55] <stdin> ForgeAus: you can install deb packages from a gui
[10:55] <ForgeAus> yeah deb's are easy
[10:55] <ForgeAus> its tar.gz's or whatever else... some things only come as a .rpm or somethign
[10:56] <ForgeAus> I guess .rpms are ok becasue  you can convert them to .debs...
[10:56] <sleepy543> Is there a place to download more icons? Missing nvidia icon
[10:56] <ForgeAus> still thats no solution for a .tar.gz
[10:56] <stdin> ForgeAus: you mean apps you need to compile?
[10:56] <stdin> sleepy543: search google images maybe?
[10:57] <ForgeAus> stdin, apparently
[10:57] <ForgeAus> well actually the one I just toyed with frostwire is java doesn't need recompiling lol ...
[10:57] <ForgeAus> but then I'm not using kubuntu to do it in either
[10:57] <ReFF> @ sleepy543: simple Nvidia Icon?
[10:57] <ForgeAus> (I'm sure I had sun java showing up in Adept there somewhere
[10:58] <stdin> ForgeAus: yeah, java (the sun java one) is in multiverse
[10:58] <ReFF> @ sleepy543: http://faaast-eddie.com/images/art/icon-nvidia.png
[10:58] <ReFF> this is a nice icon for nvidia
[10:58] <ReFF> ;-)
[10:58] <pedro> Hello ;)
[10:59] <pedro> I recently upgrade from Kubuntu dapper to edgy
[10:59] <ForgeAus> because its free but under a different liscence right? (and not supported by ubuntu technically...
[10:59] <ReFF> is that what you were looking for Sleepy?
[10:59] <ForgeAus> awesome pedro :) edgy is nice...
[10:59] <pedro> everything was good but now I have 37 packages that don't upgrade
[10:59] <ForgeAus> fiesty willb e nicer :)
[10:59] <pedro> I don't know why
[10:59] <pedro> any help?
[11:00] <pedro> yes, it is ForgeAus
[11:00] <stdin> ForgeAus: it was because sun changed the licence (this was before it went GPL) so it could be redistributed
[11:00] <pedro> I also installed nvidia driver to install too beryl
[11:00] <stdin> pedro: how did you upgrade
[11:01] <pedro> with apt-get
[11:01] <pedro> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:01] <pedro> I had to do it twice
[11:01] <pedro> But everything seems to be all right
[11:01] <ReFF> pedro, is that the way to upgrade to efty?
[11:01] <stdin> try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[11:01] <pedro> mmm
[11:01] <stdin> aptitude is a bit more advanced
[11:01] <pedro> I have some problems with aptitude
[11:02] <pedro> It is a problem that I have a time ago
[11:02] <pedro> when I try to do anything with aptitude, it try to delete a lot of packages that I usually use
[11:02] <pedro> I don't know why
[11:03] <stdin> do you have the package kubuntu-desktop installed?
[11:03] <pedro> wait a moment
[11:03] <pedro> no, it is not installed
[11:04] <stdin> you need to have it installed
[11:04] <dillinger> hi, can someone tell me how can i accept a disclaimer with adept . im pressing return but its not doing nothing ???
[11:04] <pedro> ok
[11:04] <pedro> I am going to try it
[11:04] <stdin> that was why aptitude was wanting to remove everything
[11:05] <stdin> dillinger: short answer, you can't, you have to do it from konsole
[11:05] <dillinger> stdin: ok, can you please tell me how to do it from the konsole, sorry for being lame but its my first time with linux
[11:06] <pedro> I have some problems of dependency
[11:06] <pedro> ...
[11:06] <stdin> dillinger: what package are you trying to install?
[11:06] <pedro> when I try to install kubuntu-desktop with aptitude
[11:06] <dillinger> do i have to run apt-get dist upgrade ??
[11:06] <dillinger> its an upgrade for vmware player
[11:06] <stdin> pedro: try with apt-get
[11:06] <mortici> if a file has attribs crw-rw-r what is the mode #'s?
[11:07] <pedro> it says it couldn't find the package kubuntu-desktop
[11:07] <stdin> dillinger: open konsole (Kmenu -
[11:07] <pedro> ?
[11:07] <mortici> 665?
[11:07] <stdin> opps
[11:07] <dillinger> i get adept_updater tellin me to update it, but i have this disclaimer that i cannot accept
[11:07] <saree> stdin it worked
[11:07] <sleepy543> thanks for your help :)
[11:07] <dillinger> OK its already opened
[11:07] <stdin> dillinger: open konsole (Kmenu -> System -> kinsole)
[11:07] <stdin> ok
[11:07] <ReFF> do you like the icon sleepy?
[11:07] <stdin> dillinger: in konsole type: sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:08] <ReFF> stdin, is that the command to upgrade to the latest version of kubuntu?
[11:08] <dillinger> Ok its done
[11:08] <stdin> mortici: 664
[11:08] <dillinger> i can now accept it
[11:08] <dillinger> thanks a lot really stdin
[11:09] <stdin> ReFF: no, just updates all the packages to the latest version for in (for example) dapper
[11:09] <stdin> dillinger: you're welcome :)
[11:09] <dillinger> really thks a lot, i appreciate that
[11:09] <saree> how do i change my repositories from dapper to edgy so i have a edgy machine?
[11:09] <Jucato> !upgrade | saree
[11:09] <ubotu> saree: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:09] <saree> or i9s feisty worth trying?
[11:09] <BlackPhoenixx> easy
[11:09] <Jucato> saree: upgrading from Dapper to Edgy is not as easy as it seems....
[11:09] <Jucato> honestly
[11:10] <ReFF> when the new Kubuntu will be out, can we simply upgrade, or do we have to install it again
[11:10] <ReFF> ?
[11:10] <stdin> feisty is not stable, go with edgy
[11:10] <saree> its a test machine so im willing to try feisty
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> edit /etc/apt/sources/list replace all 'dapper' entries with edgy
[11:10] <Jucato> ReFF: 2007 April
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> then run sudo apt-get update
[11:10] <Jucato> saree: to get to feisty from Dapper, you need to upgrade to Edgy first
[11:10] <stdin> ReFF: you can update, look at the link above
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> and you got edgy
[11:10] <ReFF> ok, thanx
[11:10] <stdin> ReFF: it will be a similar process to that
[11:10] <ReFF> :-)
[11:10] <Jucato> BlackPhoenixx: there are known issues with upgrading from Dapper to Edgy
[11:10] <ReFF> ok
[11:11] <BlackPhoenixx> really, never had any problem
[11:11] <ReFF> good to know, because i hate when al the tweaking would be lost if i chose to upgrade to feisty
[11:11] <Jucato> you haven't been reading the news then :)
[11:11] <ReFF> ?
[11:12] <stdin> I had a couple dependenvy problems with apt-get, but aptitude was great at upgrading dapper -> edgy
[11:12] <saree> jucato i will upgrade to edgy then i will ask for how to upgrade to feisty
[11:12] <Jucato> not you ReFF :)
[11:12] <Jucato> saree: upgrading from edgy to feisty is a bit easier, like how BlackPhoenixx described it
[11:13] <astan> hm. what does it mean that a package is "kept back" when i do an apt-get upgrade ? (my koffice package is kept back).
[11:13] <stdin> saree: just don't expect a rock solid system from feisty yet
[11:13] <ReFF> i won't upgrade until it's stable anyway :-)
[11:13] <BlackPhoenixx> astan: then you will have to do an sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:13] <stdin> astan: try with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:14] <Jucato> in most cases, it's actually better to do dist-upgrade... the GUI package managers actually use dist-upgrade for the regular updates...
[11:14] <BlackPhoenixx> dist-upgrade (stands for distribution upgrade)
[11:14] <astan> BlackPhoenixx stdin: okay. thank you.. but what does it _mean_? ;)
[11:14] <astan> that it is kept back that is.. and why is it kept back?
[11:15] <astan> (i installed the koffice package from the deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-161 edgy main repository).
[11:15] <stdin> astan: there is info on that in 'man apt-get'
[11:15] <Jucato> astan: dist-upgrade worked?
[11:15] <pedro> I still am tryin to solve my problem with aptitude
[11:15] <astan> stdin: ah. alright. i'll check that.
[11:16] <pedro> It is a dependency problem with kubuntu-desktop
[11:16] <astan> Jucato: haven't tried yet. i'll read the manpage first.
[11:16] <BlackPhoenixx> kept back means or some other pachage depends on it and for safety it is being kept back, (kept-back, not being updated) if you do an dist-upgrade everything including system vital packages like for example glibc are being updated
[11:16] <pedro> it says that kubuntu-desktop depends from xorg but it cannot be installed
[11:16] <pedro> any help?
[11:16] <Jucato> pedro: did you follow that wiki about upgrading?
[11:16] <pedro> not exactly...
[11:17] <astan> BlackPhoenixx: okay. should i enter some lower runlevel before doing dist-upgrade? like.. not running KDE and everything while updating?
[11:17] <BlackPhoenixx> follow the wiki it will explain a lot
[11:17] <BlackPhoenixx> astan: is good that you think about it
[11:17] <Jucato> astan: kept back usually means that something cannot be upgraded because it depends on something that isn't installed. "upgrade" doesn't install new stuff, it only upgrades installed packages. "dist-upgrade" upgrades installed packages and installs new dependencies if needed
[11:17] <BlackPhoenixx> of course it will be better
[11:17] <stdin> i think that may be the name change from xserver-xorg-deiver* to xserver-xorg-video*
[11:17] <pedro> But I cannot follow the wiki now....
[11:18] <pedro> I did the upgrading yet
[11:18] <astan> okay guys. i think i get the picture now. thanks!
[11:19] <BlackPhoenixx> you're welcome
[11:19] <pedro> and what can I do about the change in the name?
[11:19] <astan> just one more thing, so should i at least not have X+KDE running while doing the dist-upgrade?
[11:19] <saree> what does this mean?
[11:19] <saree> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[11:20] <stdin> pedro: well aptitude should deal with it, but you can try installing xserver-xorg-video-all with apt-get: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all
[11:20] <BlackPhoenixx> astan: that is always a good idee, technicaly it cannot hurt but it is better to go to runlevel 3
[11:21] <BlackPhoenixx> BRB
[11:21] <pedro> let's try
[11:21] <astan> BlackPhoenixx: okay, back in a while then.
[11:21] <stdin> astan: with normal dist-upgrade it shouldn't matter, but if you age going from dapper to edgy, then it's best not to have X running
[11:21] <pedro> it says that package is its recently version
[11:22] <stdin> pedro: try installing xorg
[11:22] <stdin> sudo apt-get install xorg
[11:23] <pedro> ok
[11:23] <pedro> I think we are closing to the problem
[11:23] <ReFF> what is X?
[11:24] <pedro> xorg depends from libgl1-mesa-glx but it cannot be installed
[11:24] <pedro> I come back in a minute
[11:24] <stdin> dependency problems are hell, that's why I don't use a RPM system
[11:24] <stdin> ReFF: it's the server that lets you see graphics, KDE runs on top of X
[11:24] <ReFF> ow :-)
[11:25] <saree> if im going to upgrade from dapper to edgy is ok to do it from X? will it stop it working?
[11:26] <stdin> saree: I don't think it will stop working, but it's best not to have X running (but I've never tried upgrading distributions with X running)
[11:26] <ReFF> man, i wanna go home and play with edgy, but i got so much work here
[11:28] <exceswater> hi all
[11:28] <exceswater> :d
[11:29] <exceswater> can somebody help me to install mplayer on kubuntu please
[11:29] <saree> i guess im going to be the 1 to try coz i dont know how to use linux without x
[11:29] <Jucato> !mplayer | exceswater
[11:29] <ubotu> exceswater: mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[11:29] <ubotu> exceswater: For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[11:30] <exceswater> 10x people
[11:30] <exceswater> :d
[11:30] <exceswater> me is noob
[11:30] <exceswater>  :D
[11:30] <exceswater> that's why i bother people
[11:30] <stdin> saree: if you have used konsole before, it's the same, but in full screen :p
[11:30] <exceswater> :d
[11:30] <ubuntu_> hihi
[11:30] <ubuntu_> hahaa
[11:30] <ubuntu_> im on a livecd, isn't that awesome
[11:31] <saree> i have used konsole before but only copy and paste
[11:31] <exceswater> aaa
[11:31] <exceswater> yap
[11:31] <saree> can i be on irc and use my comp without x?
[11:32] <exceswater> about live cd
[11:32] <stdin> well the upgrade instructions are all commandline
[11:32] <ubuntu_> live cd pwns
[11:32] <ubuntu_> so does my nick
[11:32] <ubuntu_> :D
[11:32] <exceswater> i found somehow on internet ... about kinda live cd
[11:32] <stdin> saree: you can use irssi to use IRC on the commandline
[11:32] <exceswater> but it can be done with memory stick
[11:32] <exceswater> do u know about it ?
[11:32] <ubuntu_> whaaat?!
[11:32] <exceswater> yes
[11:32] <exceswater> you just download a 50 megs file
[11:32] <exceswater> burn it on a disk
[11:33] <exceswater> and after that install it on a memory stick
[11:33] <exceswater> usb memory stick
[11:33] <ReFF> cool
[11:33] <exceswater> and if u need your kubuntu... just find a computer
[11:33] <exceswater> plug your memory stick
[11:33] <exceswater> and turn on computer
[11:33] <exceswater> and so you have linux
[11:33] <stdin> if you can boot from it, you have have a 'live' system on it
[11:34] <exceswater> but i dunno how to do it
[11:34] <exceswater> D
[11:34] <exceswater> :D
[11:34] <ReFF> I think you mean knoppix
[11:34] <exceswater>  i even heard about LINUX on XBOX
[11:34] <exceswater> no problem
[11:34] <ReFF> don't know an other OS that does that
[11:34] <pedro> well
[11:34] <ReFF> yeah, on Xbox is possible
[11:34] <pedro> I am back again
[11:34] <ubuntu_> whats everybodys browser of choice
[11:34] <exceswater> even if LINUX on XBOX is kinda "blaphemy"
[11:34] <exceswater> :D
[11:34] <ubuntu_> i cannot stand Konqueror
[11:34] <ReFF> firefox
[11:34] <exceswater> even if LINUX on XBOX is kinda "blasphemy"
[11:35] <Jucato> guys, let's stay on topic, shall we?
[11:35] <pedro> I am seeing that my proble is a dependency problem with libgl1
[11:35] <stdin> my PC is a router
[11:35] <exceswater> lol pplz
[11:35] <ubuntu_> yeah well screw you
[11:36] <ubuntu_> lol
[11:36] <exceswater> i have linux on my Nokia 9500
[11:36] <exceswater> :D
[11:36] <ubuntu_> linux pwns
[11:36] <exceswater> this kinda owns u
[11:36] <ubuntu_> i wish i knew more abou tit
[11:36] <ubuntu_> about it*
[11:36] <exceswater> my penguin is better than your penguin
[11:36] <stdin> pedro: will aptitude fix it?
[11:36] <Jucato> pedro: can you install libgl1?
[11:36] <noiesmo> trying to boot kubuntu on amd am2 3800+ and it gets to adding live users and just stops
[11:36] <Sir_Penguin> Well, I am a penguin :p
[11:36] <Sir_Penguin> Hah!
[11:36] <flaccid> i have linux on my anus
[11:36] <pedro> when I try to do aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <flaccid> beat that
[11:37] <pedro> the result is..
[11:37] <Jucato> !offtopic
[11:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:37] <Sir_Penguin> I don't WANT to beat that.
[11:37] <Sir_Penguin> SOrry.
[11:37] <pedro> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=955134080
[11:37] <exceswater> sorry
[11:37] <exceswater> :D
[11:37] <flaccid> its shit to update, but runs well otherwise
[11:37] <Jucato> ah python problems...
[11:37] <emanuele> ciao a tutti
[11:37] <Jucato> !upgrade
[11:37] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:37] <emanuele> quale il canale di aiuto italiano?
[11:38] <ubuntu_> some people have told me to go with dapper drake instead of edgy eft
[11:38] <ubuntu_> whyyyyyyyyyy
[11:38] <Jucato> !it | emanuele
[11:38] <ubotu> emanuele: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:38] <emanuele> thanks you :)
[11:38] <ReFF> #Kubuntu-it
[11:38] <Jucato> !upgrade | pedro
[11:38] <ubotu> pedro: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:38] <Jucato> pedro: have you tried the command that installs python stuff too?
[11:39] <flaccid> yeah edgy may not be stable for some
[11:39] <ubuntu_> oh snap
[11:39] <ubuntu_> an imposter!
[11:39] <ubuntu_> anyway: why wouldnt edgy be stable for some?
[11:39] <uberuntu> you are the imposter sir
[11:39] <uberuntu> ubuntu_: coz it probably wasn't tested enough
[11:40] <pedro> Jucato, no
[11:40] <ubuntu_> any problems with edgy?
[11:40] <Jucato> pedro: I suggest you try it :)
[11:40] <ubuntu_> strange, common bugs or anything?
[11:40] <pedro> when I try to do it it says it cannot because it depends from xorg
[11:40] <stdin> ubuntu_: fyi, you can change your nickname by typing /nick NewNickname
[11:40] <ubuntu_> yeah i know
[11:40] <Conhe> how to for print in linux on machines with win 98?
[11:40] <uberuntu> for me lots. for others not much. the more you get into it, the more bugs you find
[11:40] <ubuntu_> i know how to use IRC, i just really dont care
[11:40] <break_> k
[11:41] <uberuntu> but yes lots of users have expressed big issues
[11:41] <stdin> less confusing :p
[11:41] <stdin> edgy has been totally stable for me
[11:42] <flaccid> yes, for you
[11:42] <stdin> yes, for me :p
[11:42] <pedro> and when I try to do it with aptitude
[11:42] <pedro> the result is...
[11:42] <flaccid> you != every person who installs
[11:42] <stdin> that's why I added the 'for me' statement
[11:42] <break_> i didnt have any problems with Dapper, so I think i'll load edgy onto my 120gb after i fix my winblows install
[11:42] <flaccid> stdin: why even mention it
[11:43] <pedro> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=2122237696
[11:43] <exceswater> !mplayer
[11:43] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[11:43] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[11:43] <ForgeAus> my problem with kubuntu edgy was my ISP's stupid login screen corrupting the download
[11:43] <pedro> I think I am goint to accept it
[11:43] <stdin> because, it was
[11:43] <ForgeAus> most of it worked
[11:43] <pedro> Must I?
[11:43] <break_> one thing i dont like about Linux is the graphics driver thing
[11:43] <break_> no 3d acceleration
[11:43] <break_> ?
[11:44] <flaccid> break_: what are you going on about??
[11:44] <ForgeAus> browser of choice... swiftfox!
[11:44] <break_> and you cant play many windows games on linux
[11:44] <flaccid> 1. drivers are available 2. wine/cedega
[11:44] <break_> im getting so tired of windows, i am constantly doing something with it to get it to run better
[11:44] <zeek> I play counter strike with a 1680x1050 res and it looks awesome
[11:44] <zeek> on linux
[11:44] <flaccid> you can't get windows to run better really
[11:44] <break_> i want to be able to play counterstrike:source on linux
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> so*
[11:45] <flaccid> zeek: can i pm you?
[11:45] <zeek> yea
[11:45] <stdin> pedro: for the packages that are held bask on dist-upgrade, try apt-get install ing them
[11:45] <stdin> *held back
[11:45] <break_> anyway, I'm a total noob with linux, and i'm about to get some help from google
[11:45] <pedro> sorry but my english is not very good
[11:45] <pedro> what is held back?
[11:45] <Jucato> pedro: what is it asking you this time?
[11:46] <Conhe> pedro:
[11:46] <pedro> I am still with the same thing
[11:46] <stdin> break_: look at the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> heres some news, over 56% of gamers are "girls" and most of them play "flash games"
[11:46] <Jucato> pedro: even after the command in the page I showed you?
[11:46] <Jucato> pedro: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal
[11:46] <zeek> break_: just install wine and download steam.exe. Install it using wine, it will install CS:S for you
[11:46] <zeek> easy
[11:46] <pedro> I cannot do it
[11:47] <break_> and it works fine??
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> trust me O used to have 3 girls on the office with me and they only played flash strategy/puzzle games
[11:47] <break_> cs:source is the only reason why i use windows
[11:47] <break_> honestly
[11:47] <pedro> It depends form xorg
[11:47] <zeek> flaccid: let me register real quick so you can message me
[11:47] <Jucato> pedro: how about, "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"?
[11:48] <break_> mount: can't find /dev/sda1  in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:48] <zeek> flaccid: just join #zeek
[11:48] <flaccid> np zeek
[11:48] <break_> Please check that teh device is plugged in correctly
[11:48] <pedro> it says to me to uninstall a lot of packages that I usually use
[11:49] <dbase13> i get disconnected once in a while
[11:49] <break_> Question: it is possible to view a file on an NTFS drive from a livecd, right?
[11:49] <break_> without going through too much trouble?
[11:49] <stdin> break_: yes
[11:50] <stdin> break_: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt -t ntfs (if hda1 is the ntfs partition)
[11:51] <pedro> well, I did it
[11:51] <pedro> I had to install libgl1-mesa
[11:51] <pedro> and now I can do the command you showed me
[11:51] <dbase13> i gotta go
[11:52] <dbase13> see you tonight
[11:52] <pedro> I am sorry for my clumsiness... ;)
[11:52] <dbase13> ciao
[11:52] <pedro> Let's see if it works now
[11:52] <dbase13> (it's ReFF, but my nick is taken :-()
[11:52] <dbase13> bye
[11:52] <dbase13> all
[11:52] <break_> could not enter folder /mnt
[11:52] <Linux_Galore> dbase13: should have registered it
[11:53] <dbase13> howN
[11:53] <dbase13> ?
[11:53] <break_> stdin, can i PM you??
[11:53] <stdin> break_: yes
[11:53] <sleepy543> how do I get Amarok to play mp4 songs?
[11:53] <Jucato> break_: you need to register your nick to be able to PM
[11:53] <stdin> !register | dbase13
[11:53] <ubotu> dbase13: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:54] <exceswater> hey people
[11:54] <exceswater> please help me
[11:54] <exceswater> i managed install mplayer
[11:54] <stdin> Jucato: I set unfiltered on earlier
[11:55] <ForgeAus> ahh I found out why .bin files don't work
[11:55] <exceswater> but it seems like i don;t have codecs for it
[11:55] <exceswater> how i install codecs
[11:55] <exceswater> please
[11:55] <ForgeAus> executable permissions :(
[11:55] <Jucato> ah
[11:55] <Linux_Galore> dbase13: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[11:55] <Jucato> stdin: might I respectfully suggest keeping support questions and answers in the main channel... :)
[11:56] <stdin> Jucato: he asked to /msg me, so can you let him know that? :p
[11:56] <sleepy543> Whats the best music player for kubuntu? I can't get Amarok to play mp4 songs
[11:56] <Jucato> stdin: sure. I thought you were already talking with him
[11:56] <Jucato> stdin:  no offense meant btw... just a little incident in #ubuntu that I don't want to happen in here
[11:57] <stdin> Jucato: no offence taken :)
[11:57] <Jucato> break_: might I respectfully suggest keeping support questions and answers in the main channel... both for the sake of others, and for your own safety :)
[11:57] <Jucato> if it's personal, though... take it anywhere but here :P
[11:57] <kouran> hello
[11:58] <kouran> anyone here able to get the proprietry nvidia drivers to work with edgy? seems like everyone is having problems..
[11:59] <pedro> I am working now with propietary drivers of nvidia in edgy
[11:59] <Jucato> I was able to get it running (when I was still using the stock Ubuntu kernel)
[11:59] <stdin> I don't have nvidia, but did you follow the info on the help page
[11:59] <exceswater> #ubuntu
[11:59] <exceswater> join #ubuntu
[11:59] <kouran> how did you get them to work? when i install them and edit my xorg.conf file to enable the drivers, when i reboot i get taken to a text prompt and x doesnt start
[11:59] <kouran> ive tried everything i could find in terms of help
[12:00] <pedro> I remember to have problem installing it from repository
[12:00] <Jucato> kouran: you don't need to edit xorg.conf manually if you installed nvidia-glx. just run the command "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[12:00] <pedro> then I installed the driver downloaded from the page
[12:00] <pedro> and everything is right
[12:00] <Jucato> kouran: this is presuming you installed nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modoules-generic (if you're on Edgy)
[12:00] <kouran> ive tried heaps of ways, but i get the same result. at the moment ive reverted back to the "nv" drivers..
[12:01] <kouran> ill note some of this stuff down.. linux-restricted-modules-generic... whats about if im using the 386 kernel?
[12:01] <kouran> just substitute?
[12:02] <Jucato> kouran: then linux-restricted-modules-386. but Edgy installs the -generic kernel by default
[12:02] <Jucato> kouran: or better yet, just "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)"
[12:03] <kouran> ah ok. so if ive got linux-restricted-module-generic and nvidia-glx it should all be good?
[12:03] <Jucato> yep
[12:03] <Jucato> then run the command "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[12:03] <kouran> hmm
[12:04] <Jucato> or "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" same thing
[12:04] <break_> quick question...to play a windows game in Wine, which graphics card driver would you get
[12:04] <stdin> isn't one for legacy and the other for modern cards, Jucato ?
[12:05] <sleepy543> anyone know how to get amaorok to ply mp4 songs, I get an error says can't be loaded.
[12:05] <Jucato> stdin: not really sure. I think the one for legacy is nvidia-glx-legacy-config...
[12:05] <break_> i thought one was generic, and didnt support 3d acceleration and the other did?
[12:05] <sleepy543> mp3s work fine though
[12:05] <kouran> ill be back soon, try what ive learned....
[12:05] <Tm_T> sleepy543: IIRC mp4 is only container, there can be almost anything inside.
[12:05] <break_> isn't .mp4 an apple thing?
[12:06] <break_> or is that m4a, i have no clue haha
[12:06] <sleepy543> yeah it's apple, most of the songs I got off itunes
[12:06] <Jucato> not sure which codec install mp4 support
[12:06] <sleepy543> anyway to convert them to mp3?
[12:08] <jpiccolo> where is a good place to get themes?
[12:08] <Jucato> kde-look.org
[12:09] <jpiccolo> ok other question, how can i get my cpu temp
[12:10] <exceswater> guys
[12:10] <exceswater> a simple question only please
[12:11] <jl> What is the recommended way to update kernel 2.6.17 to 2.6.19 in Kubuntu 6.10?
[12:11] <exceswater> i cannot copy to some folders... in usr because it says something about rights
[12:11] <exceswater> i think it's about root
[12:11] <exceswater> how can i copy files there
[12:11] <exceswater> ?
[12:11] <Tm_T> jl: Recompile by taking source package from feisty for example.
[12:11] <stdin> exceswater: use sudo
[12:11] <jpiccolo> use sudo before the cp command
[12:12] <Jucato> hm..
[12:12] <stdin> jl: warning, there is a bug in 2.6.19 where hda becomes sda
[12:12] <jl> @Tm: Is it possible to just install the feisty image or is this likely to break things?
[12:12] <Jucato> er.. kernel.org
[12:12] <ailean> Will I be able to upgrade from Ubuntu Edgy to Kubuntu Feisty in April just using the standard installation disc with no problems?
[12:12] <kouran> im back.
[12:13] <Jucato> ailean: you can't use the Desktop/Live CD to upgrade
[12:13] <Jucato> kouran: how did it go?
[12:13] <exceswater> stdin
[12:13] <exceswater> i cannot
[12:13] <exceswater> please tell me how to do it
[12:14] <Jucato> sudo cp <file> <target directory>
[12:14] <Jucato> sudo cp foo /usr/somewhere
[12:14] <ailean> Jucato, okay, so if I use the Alternative disc then - I'm quite comfortable using either.  But my key point is that I want to go from Ubuntu to Kubuntu.  That shouldn't pose any problems: should it?
[12:14] <kouran> i installed linux-restricted-module-3, confirmed nvidia-glx was installed, did sudo nvidia-xconfig, rebooted and still x wont start
[12:14] <Jucato> but be *very* careful in modifying anything in root/system-owned folders... you're not allowed to do that normally for a reason...
[12:14] <exceswater> 10x jucato
[12:14] <exceswater> i hope i can copy a folder ... ?
[12:15] <Jucato> ailean: if you want to upgrade from Ubuntu Edgy to Kubuntu Feisty, you'd need  the ALternate CD, and install kubuntu-desktop from there
[12:15] <Jucato> kouran: what kernel are you using?
[12:15] <fiandre> how can i see the bus in which my serial nic is connected?
[12:15] <stdin> ailean: you won't boot from the CD, just use it as a apt source
[12:16] <Jucato> kouran: unless you specifically installed the 386 kernel, you'd be using the -generic kernel
[12:16] <kouran> 386. one sec, ill verify everything is installed...
[12:16] <Jucato> ailean: yeah, what stdin said :)
[12:16] <Jucato> kouran: you're absolutely sure it's 386?
[12:16] <kouran> i know im using 386 because i used uname -r
[12:16] <Jucato> ah.. hm...
[12:16] <ailean> Jucato, well I could install kubuntu-desktop on this system, but I tried that before under dapper and it didn't behave in the same way as the standard Kubuntu install.  I.e. it would load up as if it was Ubuntu, then load KDE once I logged on.  KDE was only available as a session rather than as the full install.
[12:16] <BlackPhoenixx> does anybody know a site where to buy linux games, and i mean ofcourse the big games for example Soldier of Fortune (Linux Edition)
[12:17] <jl> tuxgames.org
[12:17] <kouran> ok, adept manager said linux-restricted-module-386 wasnt installed
[12:17] <Jucato> ailean: that's because by installing kubuntu-desktop over Ubuntu, you actually have 2 installed, KDE and GNOME
[12:17] <jl> sorry, http://tuxgames.com/ of course
[12:17] <stdin> ailean: that's still a full kubuntu install, you're just using GDM not KDM (which you can change)
[12:17] <BlackPhoenixx> thanx
[12:17] <Jucato> logging into the KDE session takes you into a full Kubuntu installation
[12:18] <ailean> !KDM
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KDM - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:18] <stdin> !kdm
[12:18] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[12:18] <kouran> ill try enabling nvidia again. is "nvidia-xconfig" right?
[12:18] <Jucato> kouran: don't forget sudo :)
[12:18] <kouran> ah yes.
[12:18] <ailean> stdin, what difference does it make to use kdm over gdm?
[12:18] <stdin> ailean: none really, just how it looks
[12:19] <kouran> now i shall reboot. hope it works
[12:19] <Jucato> ailean: if you're using gdm and log into a KDE session, you won't have the option to shutdown or restart directly, only to logout
[12:19] <ailean> stdin, if i intend to use KDE, surely kdm would be better then?
[12:19] <Jucato> yes, for the reasons I said earlier
[12:19] <stdin> ailean: if you want to use KDM instead, change /usr/bin/gdm to /usr/bin/kdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[12:19] <ailean> Jucato, okay, that is the problem I was talking about before then.  So I'll install kubuntu-desktop and then switch to kdm.  Can you easily help me with that?
[12:20] <ailean> . . . yes then :)
[12:20] <BlackPhoenixx> jl: do you know also other sites
[12:20] <BlackPhoenixx> ?
[12:20] <Jucato> ailean: during the installation kubuntu-desktop, when kdm will be installed, you'll be asked if you want to use GDM or KDM as your display manager, choose KDM
[12:20] <BlackPhoenixx> the offers of tusgamers.com if quite slim
[12:20] <ailean> Jucato, cool - that didn't happen before did it?
[12:21] <Jucato> it always does...iirc
[12:21] <ailean> Jucato, stdin, thanks very much.
[12:21] <stdin> you're welcome ailean :)
[12:21] <Jucato> proper UI? BASH!!!
[12:22] <ailean> *cough* GEEK!
[12:22] <ailean> ;)
[12:22] <jl> @BlackPhoenixx: The problem is that many commercial games do not work out of the box on linux.
[12:22] <Jucato> lol I don't use it that much honestly :)
[12:22] <ailean> well i'm a desktop user
[12:22] <BlackPhoenixx> @jl
[12:22] <stdin> BASH RULES!!
[12:22] <Jucato> so am I
[12:22] <stdin> :p
[12:22] <ailean> one of the few who you need to hang onto :)
[12:22] <BlackPhoenixx> @jl: i know i also run cedega
[12:22] <stdin> KDE is a GUI, not just a UI
[12:22] <kouran> jucato, it didnt work :|
[12:22] <ailean> stdin, yeah, i know :)
[12:23] <Jucato> kouran: hm... where does it stop?
[12:23] <ailean> stdin, but it is a UI right? ;)
[12:23] <pedro> well guys
[12:23] <kouran> the kubuntu logo appears with the loading bar, a few flashes of the screen later and i see a text login prompt
[12:23] <pedro> I got to install the packages
[12:24] <pedro> and now I did the command that the wiki show mi
[12:24] <stdin> ailean: it's a type of UI, yes, but bash is still the best UI i use :)
[12:24] <jtmoney> are there no mythtv packages?
[12:24] <pedro> apt-get -u dist-upgrade | grep ^' ' | xargs apt-get -y install
[12:24] <Jucato> kouran: hm... when you get to that text login prompt, login, then type "startx"... try if that starts it or see what error messages you get
[12:24] <pedro> but my console doesn't show anything
[12:24] <ailean> Okay stdin i'll let you get back to your geeking :P
[12:24] <pedro> I don't know if it is working
[12:24] <stdin> ailean: I never stop geeking :D
[12:24] <ailean> heh
[12:25] <kouran> yeah ive tried that before. i just get taken back to a command prompt
[12:25] <ailean> stdin, I'm a geek too.  I'm just not very good at it.
[12:25] <kouran> with errors and stuff, i cant remember what they were though
[12:25] <stdin> ailean: learn by doing, it's more fun that way
[12:25] <ailean> stdin, i plan to.  I want to get certified actually.
[12:25] <vge> Hi, how do i use grep to search for a string from a folder full of files to search from?
[12:25] <pedro> Do I have to wait o reboot?
[12:25] <ailean> stdin, but for now, i'm off. prob talk to you later
[12:26] <stdin> vge: grep "srting" /path/to/folder/*
[12:26] <stdin> ailean: ok, see you later :)
[12:26] <jtmoney> should i enable any of the "backport" repositories? i'm not sure what they're used for... i'm simply trying to grab the mythtv package
[12:26] <stdin> vge: or grep -H "srting" /path/to/folder/* (to get the file name with the match)
[12:27] <pedro> any idea about my issue?
[12:27] <Jucato> jtmoney: no. you don't need the backports for that. you need multiverse
[12:27] <Jucato> !multiverse | jtmoney
[12:27] <ubotu> jtmoney: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:28] <Jucato> ugh.. afk...
[12:28] <kouran> jucato, any ideas?
[12:28] <Jucato> kouran: not really, I don't have the error messages...
[12:28] <Jucato> bbl...
[12:36] <jl> I have a major problem in my new Kubuntu 6.10 installation: In many images and movies, dark colors lock very ugly. Unfortunately, I have no idea what causes the problem.
[12:37] <devilsadvocate> this would seem like a stupid question, but is ogg support enabled by default?
[12:37] <jl> lock => look
[12:37] <stdin> devilsadvocate: yeah, should be
[12:37] <jakkass> ogg is an open source codec
[12:37] <stdin> jl: maybe adjust your gama settings
[12:37] <jakkass> so yeah
[12:37] <luh> hi
[12:37] <jakkass> hey
[12:38] <devilsadvocate> stdin, amarok is skipping all the ogg files in my new kubuntu install :(
[12:38] <luh> my firefox is experiencing plenty of problems since the newest update
[12:38] <jakkass> eh wierd
[12:38] <luh> will this be fixed soon?
[12:38] <luh> it's <IP_ADDRESS> now
[12:38] <jakkass> have you got the Xine decoded set on
[12:38] <jakkass> decoder*
[12:38] <jakkass> luh why aren't you using 2.0
[12:38] <jl> i don't think it is caused by gamma settings, there are really ugly artefacts
[12:38] <jakkass> :o
[12:39] <luh> jackass - adept installs by default 1.5
[12:39] <stdin> jakkass: or <IP_ADDRESS> :p
[12:39] <jakkass> :p
[12:39] <jakkass> no it doesn't luh
[12:39] <jakkass> i got 2.0 off it
[12:39] <stdin> luh: firefox 2.0 is in the backports repository
[12:39] <jakkass> ah
[12:39] <jakkass> i added all of them
[12:39] <jakkass> so thats why
[12:39] <jakkass> :)
[12:39] <luh> see jakkass
[12:39] <deucalion> hey!
[12:39] <jakkass> btw folks how do you change the font on Firefox
[12:39] <jl> what could be the reason for the graphics problem?
[12:39] <jakkass> its fuckin ugly
[12:40] <luh> i usually don't work with backport repos
[12:40] <mihail> for codecs try automix2 and for movieplayer VLC
[12:40] <jakkass> mihall Xine :)
[12:40] <devilsadvocate> jakkass, get msttcorefonts
[12:40] <jakkass> i have it devils
[12:40] <stdin> no, don't use automatix
[12:40] <jakkass> Firefox still looks mingin
[12:40] <jakkass> lol
[12:40] <deucalion> has anyone tried a beta version of feisty?
[12:40] <stdin> deucalion: i'm on feisty
[12:40] <jakkass> how do i style it like my other Qt apps Gaim looks good as my fonts work with it on GTK
[12:40] <mihail> stdin: why automatx isn`t god?
[12:41] <devilsadvocate> there isnt a fiesty beta yet
[12:41] <deucalion> is it better than eft?
[12:41] <jakkass> devils isn't it not Flight 1 out now
[12:41] <deucalion> edgy*
[12:41] <devilsadvocate> jakkass, i remember seeing a thread in the forum with a fix
[12:41] <luh> jakkass, stdin but shouldn't the default be stable?
[12:41] <stdin> mihail: it can cause major issues when you try to upgrade
[12:41] <jakkass> what forum
[12:41] <jakkass> kubuntu or ubuntuforums
[12:41] <luh> one can't assume that everyone is using backports
[12:41] <deucalion> has anyone been having problems with the new beryl update?
[12:42] <deucalion> my caps, skydome, and splash screen dont work
[12:42] <stdin> deucalion: feisty is quite stable (for me), but it's not classed as stable yet
[12:42] <deucalion> ok, cool, thanks stdin
[12:43] <stdin> and my beryl install is working great :)
[12:43] <devilsadvocate> ubuntuforums
[12:43] <jl> does anyone have a clue what can cause artefacts in images and movies?
[12:43] <deucalion> i have tried everything to get it working again, it stoped working after the new update, the one with the winter themed caps
[12:43] <jakkass> devils its not the font on webpages
[12:43] <jakkass> its the GUI font
[12:44] <jakkass> GUI font looks fuckin horrible
[12:44] <deucalion> can someone tell me if konqueror runs on firefox, or is it its own client?
[12:44] <jakkass> its Mozilla based
[12:45] <deucalion> ok, well i cant get onto my email with konqueror, but i can with mozilla, its webmail.aol.com so its flashed based
[12:45] <devilsadvocate> jakkass, you can chage that somewhere in about:config
[12:45] <jakkass> hmm somewhere :o
[12:46] <devilsadvocate> :)
[12:46] <devilsadvocate> filter with font
[12:46] <jakkass> http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=28956
[12:46] <jakkass> ah sweet
[12:46] <devilsadvocate> im sure you can find it
[12:46] <jakkass> :P
[12:46] <jakkass> ah no
[12:46] <jakkass> damn Suse retards
[12:46] <jakkass> lol
[12:47] <deucalion> yeah, my SUSE dvd doesnt work
[12:47] <deucalion> im pissed
[12:47] <jakkass> Suse is balls compared to Kubuntu
[12:47] <jakkass> imo
[12:47] <deucalion> i love kubuntu
[12:47] <deucalion> my friend thinks openSUSE is the shit, the 10.6 or whatever it is now
[12:47] <reff> i think we all do my friend
[12:47] <reff> yeah, that openSUSE looks good too
[12:48] <hanso> hey. are there any html editor with code completition for linux?
[12:48] <deucalion> is openSUSE worth overwriting kubuntu on my laptop?
[12:48] <deucalion> or should i wait for the live DVD?
[12:48] <jakkass> hanso Nvu?
[12:48] <reff> i don't think it offers more functionality than kubuntu
[12:48] <deucalion> ok cool
[12:48] <jakkass> wireless support is great on Kubuntu
[12:48] <reff> :-)
[12:48] <jakkass> thats why I use it
[12:48] <jakkass> :p
[12:48] <deucalion> does anyone here use gXINE?
[12:49] <hanso> jakkass: I tried that but it don't have code completition
[12:49] <jakkass> is g Xine graphical Xine
[12:49] <jakkass> if so yes
[12:49] <ubuntu_> nvu doesn't have text completion
[12:49] <reff> i'm gonna check that out tonight when i get back from work, i got an old Wifi pcmcia card
[12:49] <deucalion> no, the video player
[12:49] <reff> that might just do the trick
[12:49] <jakkass> i use Xine
[12:49] <jakkass> as a video player
[12:49] <jakkass> its good
[12:49] <jakkass> got DVD's working and all
[12:49] <deucalion> i cant get on any of the media things to work
[12:49] <deucalion> like BBC and Boston channel 22, or the music stations
[12:49] <jakkass> ah fewk
[12:50] <jakkass> I like KMail a lot too
[12:50] <jakkass> :)
[12:51] <deucalion> Kontact?
[12:51] <deucalion> Kmail=Kontact right?
[12:51] <jakkass> no KMail
[12:51] <jakkass> no
[12:51] <jakkass> KMail is a email client
[12:51] <deucalion> where the hell is kmail on kubuntu? i cant find it
[12:51] <hanso> kmail is within kontact
[12:51] <jakkass> its not on the list
[12:51] <jakkass> type kmail into the commandline
[12:52] <hanso> the email section of kontact uses kmail
[12:52] <jakkass> oh
[12:52] <deucalion> kommand right? terminal program?
[12:52] <jakkass> rofl i've never used Kontact
[12:52] <jakkass> konsole
[12:52] <deucalion> konsole, right, dee dee dee
[12:52] <stdin> konsole also rules :P
[12:52] <deucalion> oh, got it!
[12:52] <jakkass> i like the konsole in this IRC client
[12:52] <jakkass> Konversation rocks :p
[12:53] <deucalion> better than Xchat
[12:53] <hanso> kontact is quite good. it got a lot of options
[12:53] <deucalion> yeah, i like the RSS feed fetcher, Akregator
[12:53] <jakkass> wow i should use Kontact more
[12:53] <jakkass> its pretty good
[12:54] <jakkass> eh Cannot load part for news Library files for libknodepart.la not found in paths?
[12:55] <pedro> Hi again
[12:55] <pedro> I must say thanks because I have solved my firsts problems with aptitude
[12:55] <deucalion> hey does anyone know what the other command is for the sudo apt-get update? there is another one its like sudo a______ update
[12:55] <deucalion> i cant remember
[12:55] <pedro> everythins is all right now
[12:56] <pedro> sudo aptitude update deucalion
[12:56] <deucalion> nvm its sudo aptitude
[12:56] <deucalion> thanks pedro
[12:56] <pedro> you are welcome
[12:56] <pedro> now I want to install beta drivers of nvidia to install beryl
[12:57] <deucalion> need to be updatin my repositorys
[12:57] <pedro> the point is that I have installed driver from the script of the official page
[12:57] <pedro> and I would like to install now with repository
[12:57] <deucalion> does anyone know if ubuntu can support ATi crossfire?
[12:57] <pedro> how can I uninstall driver nvidia from the script?
[12:58] <deucalion> does crossfire even work with linux? like any form (ubuntu, kubuntu, SUSE, etc.?)
[12:58] <jakkass> I use a NVidia chip so I don't know
[12:59] <deucalion> do you use SLi?
[12:59] <deucalion> and does it work?
[12:59] <stdin> pedro: you should just be able to overwrite the old nvidia driver by installing the new one
[12:59] <galorin> I'm thinking about installing kubuntu on my laptop, a fairly new thing with a Turion64 in it.  got a few questions.. I've heard others say that (k)ubuntu is slower than other distros on the same hardware.. anyone ere experience this(I don'tt mind sacrificing speed for ease of use)?  Also, should I install the 64 bit version on it, or are the benefits not orth the hassle?
[12:59] <pedro> ok, I was not sure but then I will do it
[12:59] <deucalion> i think ubuntu is fast as hell
[01:00] <jakkass> yeah
[01:00] <deucalion> i mean, compared to windows ( linux underground....where we're going, you dont need windows)
[01:00] <jakkass> on my AMD rig its just fine
[01:00] <jakkass> i didn't install 64bit though
[01:00] <jakkass> as I love Flash
[01:00] <jakkass> lol
[01:00] <deucalion> hey, can i run the 64bit version on a X2 duo core AMD chip?
[01:01] <jakkass> yes but you don't want to
[01:01] <deucalion> the 64 bit version of ubuntu that is
[01:01] <deucalion> y not?
[01:01] <jakkass> its heavily restricted for some applications
[01:01] <stdin> galorin: I've found kubuntu to be just as fast (if not faster) than others, and the only advantage of 64bit is if you have 4GB+ RAM and/or need very accurate math
[01:01] <galorin> I did Slackware on another system, and it ran a lot faster than it had done with Mandrake or Red Hat (yeah, long time ago)
[01:01] <galorin> stdin, nope, neither case is true
[01:01] <deucalion> ok, so stick with the 32 bit?
[01:02] <stdin> 32bit is fine (or even better) then 64bit for most users
[01:02] <deucalion> i have a 4.4 ghz duo core proccesor (each thread 2.2 Ghz) and 2 gigs of GSkil ram, so its not a matter of computing power
[01:02] <jakkass> I use AMD 3700+ i need to upgrade maybe
[01:03] <deucalion> yeah, just maybe
[01:03] <galorin> on my mythtv box I went with the 64 bit version because of all the number-crunching there, and it made a difference there.  I guess on a laptop for general use it doesn't matter.
[01:03] <deucalion> i got a duo core chip for like $105.00
[01:03] <jakkass> damn yanks
[01:03] <jakkass> lol
[01:03] <deucalion> hey im a yank! lawl
[01:03] <jakkass> i'll never get one for that price
[01:03] <jakkass> :P
[01:03] <deucalion> try new egg
[01:03] <jakkass> damn euro
[01:03] <jakkass> lol
[01:03] <deucalion> oh, didnt know you were from the EU
[01:04] <jakkass> its a good currency and everything
[01:04] <jakkass> but all is so expensive in Ireland
[01:04] <deucalion> my moms BF tryed to pay for our dinner at ruby tuesdays with 30GBP, the waiter looked at us like we were stupid
[01:04] <deucalion> jakkass, ur from ireland?
[01:04] <jakkass> Irelands more expensive than Britain
[01:04] <jakkass> by a longshot
[01:04] <jakkass> yes I live in West Dublin
[01:05] <deucalion> cool, you might recognise my last name, Meagher