[11:12] <Arwen> I think it has all of 4MB onboard memory :-P
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> romudog: it should be started automatically on boot then
[11:13] <avenger> thx arwen, that helped
[11:13] <romudog> nosrednaekim: But how can i configure it and setup the passwords like i did in windows, or is this automatic?
[11:14] <blaa> hey guys - is there a way of installing the new version of kaffeine without updating my whole system to unstable?
[11:14] <wolferine> what can I use to troubleshoot nfs not working?
[11:14] <blaa> or have i been on gentoo for too long..
[11:14] <blaa> ;)
[11:14] <ads_> when i boot up, where i should reach the login screen im getting nothing. i have to re-install nvidia drivers or edit xorg.conf with nv for driver form a text terminal...   tedious to say the least any ideas why?
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> romudog: should be all automatic (was for me)
[11:14] <shatteredskye> does anyone know how to get a passive stylus working on a convertible Tablet PC?
[11:14] <romudog> nosrednaekim: I want to do the ssh (terminal) and piped ssh proxy so i can use PuTTy to do the proxy like i had it setup in windows
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> romudog: well, I don't know the first thing about putty, but i'm sure there are alot of tutorials out there on how to get it working with Linux
[11:15] <wolferine> what can I use to troubleshoot nfs not working?
[11:15] <romudog> nosrednaekim: Okay, Do you know much about wine/winetools?
[11:16] <nosrednaekim> romudog: nope. I've never needed a Windows program.
[11:16] <romudog> nosrednaekim: Oh, I just need to install a flickr downloading app. Maybe you've used a native linux one?
[11:17] <yeniklasor> I don't see my speaker icon on tray. How can I put it back?
[11:17] <shatteredskye> anyone running Feisty on a Tablet PC?
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> romudog: hmmmm I know there is an UPLOADING app.
[11:21] <ads_> yeniklasor: k menu | multimedia | kmix
[11:21] <romudog> nosrednaekim: Thanks for the help. I'm looking for an app that will download all the photos, e.g. http://greggman.com/pages/flickrdown.htm
[11:21] <blekos_> here is a funny think, i when i use kernel 2.6.20-15 to use linux i have only one core recognised and have wifi supportenable, the opposite happen when i use 2.6.20-16
[11:21] <yeniklasor> ads_ | Thank you
[11:21] <romudog> Can someone assist me with winetools installation, It says i have the wrong version which i don't.
[11:21] <blekos_> any idea how to have wifi support with -16 (eth1 is not "seen" at all)
[11:21] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: once there's a cd ripper on par with EAC for linux, i will no longer have use for windows software.
[11:21] <yeniklasor> And How can I change my autostart programs?
[11:21] <coreymon77> blekos_: what card?
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: there is ALWAYS that last little app...
[11:21] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: yeah, i know :\
[11:21] <Daisuke_Ido> so i'm making do with a cdparanoia frontend
[11:21] <blekos_> i just notice i hadnt install -20 generic
[11:21] <Daisuke_Ido> wish development would progress on it, hopefully play nicer with caching cd-roms
[11:21] <yeniklasor> And How can I change my autostart(with booting) programs?
[11:22] <romudog> Linux needs to rule the world. I wouldnt mind having everything run on linux especially games but no spyware haha
[11:22] <blekos_> how can i see what card i have?
[11:23] <Daisuke_Ido> romudog: there's a problem with that dream
[11:23] <coreymon77> blekos_: dmsg
[11:23] <BluesKaj> games should have theier own OS .. but the greedy corprations can't get together and agree on one that will work without windows
[11:23] <Daisuke_Ido> the more people use linux, the more it gets targeted by malicious people.
[11:23] <romudog> Daisuke_Ido: Whats the problem?
[11:24] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: they do.  consoles :D
[11:24] <ads_> yeniklasor: write a bash script and place in ~/.kde/autostart
[11:24] <blekos_> dmsg?
[11:24] <blekos_> i get dmsg command not found
[11:24] <BluesKaj> yeah, exactly whwere they belong , but they keep writing them for windows
[11:24] <Daisuke_Ido> dmesg
[11:24] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: i didn't mind back in the old days
[11:25] <ads_> when i boot up, where i should reach the login screen im getting nothing. i have to re-install nvidia drivers or edit xorg.conf with nv for driver form a text terminal...   tedious to say the least any ideas why?
[11:25] <ads_> from*
[11:25] <avalon> Is there a way to tell my entire system (audio/flash/etc)  to output all sound to my USB headset?
[11:25] <yeniklasor> ads_ | I want delete some autostarting like webservers and some programs
[11:25] <ads_> yeniklasor:  okz easily done start with a empty session
[11:26] <ads_> go to kmenu| system settings|session manager
[11:26] <Daisuke_Ido> ms-dos gaming was awesome...  until you spent hours messing with autoexec.bat and config.sys to get everything just right so you could play ultima 7 only to have it crash violently before you can save causing a crying fit while curled up in the fetal position.
[11:27] <blekos_> it has a hell of info
[11:27] <Arwen> yay.... sane dual-head configuration is going to be in Gusty
[11:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[11:27] <BluesKaj> ads, you could be setting your graphics/monitor paramters out of spec for the drivers you're using .. try to reconfig Xserver to the pnp driver and then find the right driver in sys/settings monitor &display/hardware
[11:28] <Daisuke_Ido> by the next LTS it should be an out-of-the-box worthy competitor :)
[11:28] <ads_> i dont make any changes after i install nvidia drivers tho... its only when i reboot  presumably xorg isnt saving  (havent tested that)
[11:29] <romudog> I gotta say linux is great but they gotta beat free to become mainstream and beat windows
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> ads_: lemme guess, you installed the nvidia driver from scratch?
[11:29] <ads_> yes
[11:30] <ads_> well using nvidias.run file
[11:30] <romudog> i'd use nvidia glx if its compatible with your card from repo's
[11:30] <Daisuke_Ido> or mvidia-glx-legacy or nvidia-glx-new, whatever one's compatible.
[11:31] <Daisuke_Ido> n*
[11:31] <romudog> ^^ Agreed
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> ads_: its not modprobing your nvidia kernel driver automatically everythime.
[11:31] <ads_> well i had the same problem for a while so i changed to beta drivers  this solved it for a few weeks and now the beta drivers are doing the same onboot
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> ads_: you really should just use the ones from the repositories (unless you have a 8800)
[11:33] <romudog> no real use for an 8800 in linux unless you got special apps usin the gpu for video processing or is there?
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> romudog: who SAYS there's no use ;)
[11:34] <ads_> hmm ya  i guess ill try defualt druiver then.. to be honest im using beryl and thought that i needed nvidia drivers for ebtter perfromance but is this actually true?
[11:34] <Daisuke_Ido> ads_: nvidia driver from repo != nv
[11:34] <romudog> only thing i can think of is tons of screens pumpin MASSIVE high rez nosrednaekim
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> ads_: the ones from then repositories are fine
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> romudog: yeah, true.
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> HD
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> video
[11:34] <ads_> when you say the ones fromt he repositories what do you mean?
[11:35] <romudog> Anyone have a PVR-150 Hauppage card that they have working that can enlighten me?
[11:35] <ads_> sorry for spelling getting tired  :S
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> ads_: the repositories have proprietary nvidia drivers, all packaged up nice and easy
[11:36] <ads_> i understandthis what i mean is how do i use the repositories?
[11:36] <ads_> *to specifically update video driver
[11:36] <SlimeyPete> ads_: use Adept. K->System->Adept Manager
[11:37] <romudog> SlimeyPete: Ever used Synaptic? imo its better
[11:37] <SlimeyPete> romudog: yes, I have. I prefer it too but I didn't want to complicate things for ads (it's not installed by default)
[11:37] <romudog> true
[11:37] <SlimeyPete> I still do a lot of things using apt-get tbh... just an old habit
[11:38] <romudog> Poll: Whats everyone's favorite OSS App?
[11:40] <Gerrit> Hello all.
[11:40] <romudog> Gerrit: Hello.
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> romudog: amarok or beryl... maybe KDE
[11:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm kind of partial to amarok
[11:42] <romudog> nosrednaekim: I love AmaroK its a great app, I have yet to try beryl i need Trucypt GUI to come out and linux to have full R/W ntfs support. I have 350gb's of data on a truecrypt drive usin ntfs...bad idea for not using an OSS standard.
[11:42] <romudog> Truecrypt*
[11:43] <wolferine> how can I grep so that the output does NOT contain a string?
[11:43] <navets> i need s-video help
[11:43] <navets> i have it set up
[11:43] <romudog> romudog_: hi
[11:43] <navets> but when i try to watch movies, it shows a blue screen on my tv where the movie is playing on my laptop
[11:51] <romudog_> how do i login to nickserv?
[11:52] <yanni_> how can I setup my Belkin wireless card, the green lights won't come on
[11:52] <yanni_> I'm a newbie
[11:52] <sepeck> greetings, I just got a new video card to replace my sad built in i810.  Anything I need to do ahead of time before I add the card?
[11:52] <sepeck> so my kubuntu system won't get uset at me?
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> sepeck: no. except maybe you should install the new video card's driver.
[11:53] <romudog_> sepeck:is the proprietary driver installed?
[11:53] <sepeck> romudog_: don't know.  shall have to look (nVidia 7100GS is the new card)
[11:53] <joe4288> hi does any 1 have the repository for w32codec i cant seem to find it
[11:54] <romudog_> joe4288: Use Easy Ubuntu, Google Easy Ubuntu.
[11:54] <joe4288> ok
[11:54] <BluesKaj> joe4288, google medibuntu
[11:54] <joe4288> i installed that repository
[11:54] <joe4288> and w32codec doesnt seem to be there
[11:55] <romudog_> sepeck: I changed drivers to the wrong one once and it hosed my system so if you have a proprietary driver selected i'd uninstall it unless it uses the same one.
[11:55] <nosrednaekim> joe4288: did you do an update?
[11:55] <romudog_> sepeck: If it does then you should be good.
[11:55] <eriefisher> the medibuntu repo 404'd earlier maybe now ok
[11:55] <sepeck> going from Intel i810 to nVidia so doubt it's the same.  :)
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> sepeck: install nvidia-glx-new
[11:56] <joe4288> yes i did
[11:56] <joe4288> but ill check again
[11:56] <sepeck> thx
[11:57] <yanni_> is that no one here knows anything about wireless cards? I mean comeon I was here last night and everyone refuse to help, sorry to take it personall but damn
[11:57] <eriefisher> I just tried again medibuntu 404'd
[11:57] <joe4288> nope even after update no w32codecs
[11:57] <romudog_> yanni_i: Whats the problem?
[11:57] <yanni_> thanks
[11:58] <yanni_> I need to get my belkin wireless card to get recognize by the system, no green lights are on
[11:58] <romudog_> yanni_i: Desktop or laptop?
[11:58] <joe4288> question about easy ubuntu? i have feisty and it says its for damper and edgy will it still work?
[11:58] <romudog_> joe4288: i just used it recently it works fine
[11:59] <romudog_> joe4288: im on feisty
[11:59] <yanni_> I tried doing some hack but that partially worked because right now I can use it, but I cannot switch to any other networks and it only works when I set it manually
[11:59] <joe4288> koo
[11:59] <sepeck> thx.  If I return shortly it went well :)
[11:59] <joe4288> well ill let you know if everything is good then :)
[11:59] <trakinas> help me! i forgot i cant switch to tty1 without getting stuck on it. how do I go back to X?
[12:00] <blekos> hi, when i use kernet 2.6.20-15 for linux i have my wifi card detected, on the contrary when i use 2.xxx-20 it doesnt see my card.
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: do you have an ATI?
[12:00] <blekos> My wifi card is intel 3945acg
[12:00] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: sis...
[12:00] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: I pressed control+alt f1 and it usually should go back to X on  f7, right?
[12:01] <eriefisher> trakinas:ctrl-alt-F7
[12:01] <romudog_> isnt it alt?
[12:01] <trakinas> eriefisher: i know. it just dont get back
[12:01] <trakinas> any control+alt+f* wont change. i will get this screen in anyway..
[12:02] <eriefisher> huh?
[12:02] <trakinas> control+alt+f1-12 show this same screen.
[12:02] <trakinas> it does not prompt a new login section or switch to X
[12:02] <joe4288> hmm it doesnt seem to be working
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: it doesn't show a CL?
[12:02] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: no. it does showed this one where I am.
[12:03] <joe4288> easyubuntu acts like its load (bounce icon) then just doesnt
[12:03] <trakinas> and now i cant go back to kde or anything. =P
[12:03] <trakinas> so i aptgeted irssi and now Im here.
[12:03] <trakinas> *aptgot, please...
[12:03] <eriefisher> trakinas: start x?
[12:03] <trakinas> hehehehh
[12:03] <trakinas> eriefisher: it is already running...
[12:03] <yanni_> I'm on a sonyio laptop v
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: "sudo /etc/X11/kdm stop"
[12:04] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: i will lose some docs i didnt saved... :/
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: openoffice?
[12:04] <joe4288> i tried starting easyubuntu it looked like it was loading then just disappeared
[12:04] <trakinas> in anyway, it does happens everytime i switch no a new tty. so, how can i fix it?
[12:04] <joe4288> i can see it in the process table it says its sleeping
[12:04] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: no. Quanta.
[12:04] <joe4288> any ideas any1?
[12:04] <trakinas> html stuff.
[12:05] <trakinas> not much.
[12:05] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: oh ok... cause OO automatically saves.
[12:05] <trakinas> hehe
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: well, do it anyway.
[12:06] <joe4288> ok got it working
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> some video card just have problems with multiple tty's
[12:06] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: i was going to do that before coming here, but i thought it could have another solution.
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: not that I know of
[12:06] <yanni_> sorry romudog_ but my freaking kid is screaming in my ear
[12:07] <trakinas> kay. but why is that happening? never saw this before.
[12:07] <trakinas> (gentoo kind of work better with my pc... no tty troubles and also my dvd device works on it.)
[12:07] <nosrednaekim> trakinas: use Gentoo then.
[12:07] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: emerge gets on my nerves. :/
[12:07] <nosrednaekim> oh.
[12:08] <Gerrit> What runlevel can I use for 'text-only' mode in Kubuntu? I need to restart X to try if a new configuration gets my touchpad working.
[12:08] <trakinas> nosrednaekim: hehe! i start using kubuntu because i go tired of taking to long to install a simple app.
[12:08] <Arwen> Gerrit, 2 I think
[12:08] <trakinas> anyway, Id like to put my device working in kubuntu before giving up.
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> Gerrit: if you are on the command line "sudo /etc/X11/kdm restart"
[12:09] <Gerrit> Arwen: It seems I am already in 2. 'runlevel' gives 'n 2'.
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> that will restart the xserver
[12:09] <Gerrit> nosrednaekim: Thanks.
[12:09] <Arwen> hmm
[12:09] <Arwen> well, that works too
[12:10] <trakinas> well... about my device, i will try other kernel later. cause I really dont know what causes so much I/O errors...
[12:11] <trakinas> gtg! i will be back later. cheers! :]
[12:11] <Gerrit> Then I will try to get my touchpad working now. It is my only piece of hardware that was not autodetected and -configured: I am impressed with Kubuntu's ability to detect hardware. I used to be a Fedora-user until yesterday, but since I saw that kubuntu gets my video configuration right immediatly (widescreen Radeon Mobility X700), as well as my wireless device and various ACPI features, I decided to switch.
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> what type of touchpad? not a wacom I hope.
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> :-/
[12:12] <Gerrit> nosrednaekim: It's a Symantec
[12:12] <Gerrit> hmm
[12:12] <Gerrit> or something like that
[12:12] <Minataku> !synaptic
[12:12] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[12:12] <Gerrit> Synapti
[12:12] <Minataku> !synaptics
[12:12] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> synaptics
[12:12] <Gerrit> Synaptics
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> there we go
[12:12] <Gerrit> Ah
[12:12] <Minataku> Oops X3
[12:12] <Gerrit> I found the documentation in /usr/share/doc already
[12:12] <Gerrit> but I didn't have access to the internet in the train.
[12:12] <Anshelm> vou instalar o linux na minha maquina e estou em duvida sobre qual instalar, kurumin ou kubunto
[12:13] <Anshelm> op
[12:13] <Minataku> !br
[12:13] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: how can you tell the language?
[12:13] <sam2> how do i find out what process is accessing the packages database?
[12:13] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: His host ends in .br


[18:04] <bbordwell> thehumanelement, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/544639
[18:05] <Dr_Willis> You could make compiz force its size.
[18:06] <thehumanelement> so, it will be fixed at some point?
[18:06] <bbordwell> thehumanelement, that is the idea
[18:06] <bbordwell> thehumanelement, not everything gets fixed though
[18:06] <thehumanelement> cool, also the DVD playback has all gone to shit
[18:07] <bbordwell> thehumanelement, I thought they got it working but i have not tried
[18:07] <thehumanelement> I realised this when I switched to an older, slower computer with 9.04 on it, and it worked really really well with the same disc
[18:07] <bbordwell> thehumanelement, what is the problem you are having with them?
[18:07] <thehumanelement> random freezing, menus not working, stuff like that
[18:07] <thehumanelement> also, tearing
[18:08] <bbordwell> thehumanelement, hmm it is working fine for me
[18:08] <thehumanelement> since 10.04, the graphics driver is better somehow, in that now all the fancy eye-candy crap works on my ThinkPad with an R100 based Radeon in it
[18:08] <thehumanelement> now this window is just jumping from side to side
[18:08] <bbordwell> thehumanelement, have you tried VLC?
[18:08] <thehumanelement> as I type
[18:08] <thehumanelement> yeah, I tried VLC, it wasn't much better
[18:09] <Dr_Willis> been using vlc as my main player for the last 3 releases.  - not really had any issues
[18:09] <TommyThaGun_> 33.75 seconds: http://j.imagehost.org/view/0269/spidersense-lucid-20100414-1 I suppose I'm happy with that.
[18:10] <bbordwell> thehumanelement, maybe it is the disk drive, vlc uses an entirely different system to play DVDs so if you have having problems with it on both it sounds like a hardware problem
[18:10] <thehumanelement> anyway, since DRI or whatever works properly on my graphics card, the DVD playback comes with a weird regular step pattern tearing across the video
[18:10] <thehumanelement> no, VLC sucks in a different way
[18:10] <bbordwell> lol
[18:10] <z0rt|work> haha
[18:10] <thehumanelement> now I can't make this window less wide to stop it jumping around
[18:10] <thehumanelement> ugh, got it
[18:10] <JEEBsv> VLC is bad with H.264 seeking at least
[18:11] <JEEBsv> But DVDs shouldn't have that
[18:11] <thehumanelement> yeah, VLC was having DVD navigation problems but it was slightly different
[18:11] <thehumanelement> okay, now this Empathy window is getting wider
[18:11] <thehumanelement> as I type
[18:11] <thehumanelement> WTF
[18:11] <z0rt|work> sky is falling
[18:11] <z0rt|work> run you fool!
[18:11] <JEEBsv> But yeah, VLC is overall quite wtf >_> They should've just kept on the streaming side, that's something VLC can do at least semi-well
[18:12] <thehumanelement> I like that Movie Player generally works for everything, that's a good start
[18:12] <thehumanelement> Also, 10.04 broke resume from suspend and hibernate
[18:12] <Dr_Willis> cant say that ive ever had any issues with vlc.  I use it all the time
[18:12] <Dr_Willis> I cant stand movieplayer
[18:13] <LinuxGuy2009> totem-xine aint bad
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> You dont hear much about xine these days,
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> I have been playing with moovidia, xbmc, and enna,
[18:13] <JEEBsv> mplayer is currently pretty much the only one that works correctly with most stuff... too bad the mplayer project is full of hurr durr politics
[18:14] <JEEBsv> and yeah, mplayer has no GUI :3
[18:14] <JEEBsv> (it IIRC still has in the svn repo, but as far as I remember no-one ever wanted to keep it up-to-date)
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> I used to use mplayer all the time. basically switched to vlc now.
[18:14] <avis> i've no idea what new apps have come to have been known.  i'm just an old timer who hasn't paid much attention to #ubuntu just because of the sheer new user madness on it.  i feel bad though, because many many years ago, a group of people taught me what i knew.  and those are the basic skills that i've retained to this day.
[18:14] <Lazy> JEEBsv: gnome-mplayer pretty decent gui
[18:14] <thehumanelement> I used to use mplayer, back in the Slackware days, but it's pretty unusable for day-to-day stuff
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> Geexbox (now  comming out with a new name) i recall still uses mplayer.
[18:15] <JEEBsv> Well, yeah -- Ubuntu loves to keep VLC up to date while mplayer is q_q old
[18:15] <JEEBsv> Also, it doesn't help that uau was forced to make his own fork()
[18:15] <z0rt|work> vlc has worked fine for me with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:15] <JEEBsv> (which has the original working ffmpeg-mt and many matroska etc. fixes)
[18:15] <bjsnider> vlc is not up to date
[18:15] <patdk-wk> I wish I could do a playlist in vlc
[18:15] <JEEBsv> well, it's MORE up to date than mplayer I'd say
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Vlc can do playlists.
[18:15] <JEEBsv> At least the last I saw
[18:15] <bjsnider> wrong
[18:16] <JEEBsv> oh?
[18:16] <JEEBsv> Someone actually pays attention to mplayer?
[18:16] <thehumanelement> why would you want a playlist of a video?
[18:16] <avis> Dr_Willis, is geexbox something like elisa, or now moovida that takes full control of your screen ?
[18:16]  * JEEBsv checks the revision of mplayer package
[18:16] <z0rt|work> several videos, like a season of a television show etc
[18:16] <LinuxGuy2009> Doesnt VLC just use all the gstreamer stuff like all the other media players?
[18:16] <bjsnider> the code for both is at least a year old
[18:16] <patdk-wk> thehumanelement, why wouldn't you?
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> Geexbox is a mini distrto to turn a pc into a media center.
[18:16] <avis> got ya
[18:16] <bjsnider> so is the ffmpeg code
[18:16] <JEEBsv> bjsnider: yeah, I know of the ffmpeg at least
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> geexbox has grown some and expaneded.. it has the 'enna' project that is like moovidia and xbmc.
[18:17] <thehumanelement> I guess you could drag and drop some ripped episodes in
[18:17] <bjsnider> LinuxGuy2009, vlc and mpayer use external ffmpeg
[18:17] <JEEBsv> Didn't know that both VLC and mplayer were in the same box >_>
[18:17] <thehumanelement> but, management, saving, loading, not really that important
[18:17] <LinuxGuy2009> oh
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> It has some neat features compared to moovidia, and xbmc. but missing some that those have as well
[18:17] <patdk-wk> thehumanelement, could, IF I had a mouse :)
[18:17] <avis> Dr_Willis, would you say its the favored media center choice ?
[18:17] <JEEBsv> Although I guess newer revisions wouldn't build with old ffmpeg
[18:17] <thehumanelement> you don't have a mouse?
[18:17] <patdk-wk> I want a playlist, so when I click on the playlist file, it plays the whole seq of videos in order
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> avis:  depends on what you like. I rarely use the mediacenter stuff. but it was nice  - it even let you get to online comicbooks :)
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> I think that was enna.. i tried so many i forget what had what features
[18:18] <JEEBsv> holy shi- bjsnider you sure were right -- 20090426
[18:18] <patdk-wk> thehumanelement, no mouse, no keyboard, no harddrive :)
[18:18] <JEEBsv> that's _quite_ bad considering that ffmpeg's H.264 decoding f.ex. got nicely faster in december-january or so
[18:18] <avis> that one 4 letter group of comics guys are the ones i favor the most starts with an x or o  i can't remember, they're great tho
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Ive made and saved playists in vlc.
[18:19] <Dr_Willis> or i drag/drop or rigt click and say opwn with.. vlc.. and it plays all the vids in the dir
[18:19] <thehumanelement> brb
[18:19] <patdk-wk> Dr_Willis, I'm all commandline
[18:19] <thehumanelement> going to try the suspend/resume thingy
[18:19] <bjsnider> JEEBsv, lts is a conservative release
[18:19] <JEEBsv> Even so... o_O
[18:19] <bjsnider> i have updated packages in a ppa
[18:19] <JEEBsv> Oh
[18:19] <avis> i'm using my fathers box for itunes and someday i'll get back to buying my itunes i'm just too busy these days
[18:19] <Dr_Willis> Night all..
[18:20] <JEEBsv> Have you any interest in uau's mplayer? Which has ffmpeg-mt and matroska fixes?
[18:20] <avis> when i checked out the ubuntu store, its selection was limited
[18:20] <avis> it was some time ago
[18:20] <LinuxGuy2009> avis: You pay for lossy music formats?
[18:20] <bjsnider> JEEBsv, uau?
[18:20] <avis> LinuxGuy2009, i convert them to mp3
[18:20] <JEEBsv> one of the mplayer devs who got kicked out at some point for not reverting a broken change ASAP and trying to fix his shit instead
[18:20] <JEEBsv> or something like that
[18:20] <JEEBsv> lolpolitics
[18:20] <z0rt|work> i love my zune it's so deliciously non-apple
[18:20] <z0rt|work> lolitics
[18:21] <avis> LinuxGuy2009, i may transfer them to my ubuntu box in which banshee will convert them before loading to my clip+
[18:21] <LinuxGuy2009> oh but so delicously M$? hehe that better?
[18:21] <JEEBsv> too bad most of his stuff actually works, and his branch actually is the only one that supports multiple segments and ordered chapters on linux
[18:21] <z0rt|work> hey it's DRM-free!
[18:21] <bjsnider> in matroska files?
[18:21] <avis> i didn't hope to start an argument but i have found the consistancy of rips at itunes to sound good compared to amazonmp3.com though sometimes i'll pick the best sounding one.  i also use emusic on ubuntu
[18:22] <JEEBsv> bjsnider: yeah
[18:22] <JEEBsv> http://repo.or.cz/w/mplayer-build.git
[18:22] <bjsnider> he's the git guy
[18:22] <LinuxGuy2009> I stick to buying real CDs. I refuse to pay for lossy formats.
[18:22] <JEEBsv> yah
[18:22] <bjsnider> no, i didn't use his repo
[18:22] <patdk-wk> real cd's are lossy :( only 16bits
[18:22] <JEEBsv> oh well
[18:22] <avis> LinuxGuy2009, i don't have the room, and my preference is usually a song vs an entire album
[18:22] <bjsnider> if his changes have merit, i'm sure they'll be merged
[18:22] <patdk-wk> and only 44.1khz :(
[18:22] <m3wolf__> vinyl is the way to go, yay analog
[18:23] <JEEBsv> They have merit, but the mplayer dev community is a bit :/
[18:23] <JEEBsv> And well, not many people actually use matroska fully yet
[18:23]  * patdk-wk hates matroska
[18:23] <LinuxGuy2009> patdk-wk: You must have super hearing, most mortals cant hear freq. past 20Khz.
[18:23] <JEEBsv> Why? It's open source and all
[18:23] <JEEBsv> not like nut is anywhere yet
[18:24] <JEEBsv> And ogg is uhh
[18:24] <patdk-wk> LinuxGuy2009, heh? and two samples to make a 20khz tone is not good
[18:24] <JEEBsv> ogg is ogg
[18:24] <z0rt|work> LinuxGuy2009: have you checked out flac
[18:24] <patdk-wk> horrible square wave :(
[18:24] <avis> i had given my best friend all my vinyl next thing i know he asks me if i'd like them back, i said, on second though i guess i would.  i never heard from him again :)  i find that funny
[18:24] <vish> anyone noticed memory leaks when running flash?
[18:24] <vish> flash video..
[18:24] <LinuxGuy2009> Yeah FLAC rules.  Not much higher.
[18:25] <avis> i use the highest encoding vbr for mp3's because i've only got 750gb hard drive here, and flacs tend to be very large.  i only have 750gb
[18:25] <LinuxGuy2009> more than 44.1 is pretty useless
[18:26] <avis> my clip+ will play them though
[18:26] <JEEBsv> So basically currently MKV is 'good enough' for video containment, whatever you're doing. >_>
[18:27] <nemo> LinuxGuy2009: people can also pick up conflicting harmonics, might be hearing that?
[18:28] <LinuxGuy2009> Until you do double blind listening test, you can speculate all day long.
[18:28] <nemo> heh
[18:28] <nemo> don't forget 2 sets of equipment :-p
[18:28] <LinuxGuy2009> I like AAC over MP3 as well.
[18:29] <LinuxGuy2009> but FLAC whenever possible
[18:29] <avis> banshee will convert them on the fly, should your media player not support say, AAC
[18:29] <nemo> LinuxGuy2009: you've seen those tests where audio snobs were unable to distinguish between 128VBR mp3 and flac? :)
[18:30] <LinuxGuy2009> nemo: Yeah the results for the double blinds are usually shocking to people who think they have super hearing.
[18:30] <avis> nemo, thats very similar to blind taste tests of wine drinkers.  your average $14 bottle of wine is no better than the one that cost $100 or more
[18:30] <nemo> LinuxGuy2009: of course flac is just practical
[18:31] <nemo> you never know when you'll need, say, mp3 for your car
[18:31] <nemo> or aac for your iphone
[18:31] <nemo> or whatever
[18:31] <LinuxGuy2009> Thats why I even have a FLAC master library. For later conversion to lossy without ripping all my CDs all over again.
[18:32] <avis> you all have mad storage :)  i really just buy song by song most albums i know i want i have
[18:32] <CT1> Hello all.  Is there a way to (preferably using audacity) record "what I hear"? be that a youtube video, game music in wine or just system sounds?  Please point me in the right direction of a how-to or aid me step-by-step.
[18:32] <nemo> avis: anyone paying $100 for a bottle of wine is either a sucker, at a strip club or rich and doing it to impress
[18:33] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: YouTube videos are stored as FLV in /tmp folder.
[18:33] <avis> nemo, my mom does it every year and gives it to our judge
[18:33] <nemo> avis: ah. forgot bribes
[18:33] <nemo> silly me
[18:33] <avis> nemo, we're not looking for bribes.  thats just my mom doing what she wants
[18:34] <nemo> avis: many places judges can't accept gifts over XX, usually 20
[18:34] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: Nice to know, but I want to record the sound my speakers play, keeping youtube videos is another matter.
[18:34] <avis> trust me you bribe a judge he'll come down much harder on you if you tried to win them over with a christmas gift
[18:34] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: Well you asked.
[18:34] <z0rt|work> have you ever had 100 dollar wine? it's brilliant
[18:34] <nemo> avis: you can just change the audio sink to be a file in many sound systems
[18:35] <nemo> otherwise, if you want it to come out of the speaker first, you could use a mic
[18:35] <avis> my mother is a elderly woman.  she is not a criminal
[18:35] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: No ieda about software land but buy a 1/8splitter. Run one end to speakers, the other end to line in.
[18:35] <nemo> er. that was to CT1 I guess.
[18:35] <nemo> oh. right. I had one of those...
[18:35] <look> avis: i just want you to know that you lost the game
[18:35] <look> The game
[18:36] <nemo> lil' short line to connect line in and out
[18:36] <LinuxGuy2009> right
[18:36] <nemo> usually I just strip it out of the file or dump the stream
[18:36] <nemo> just easier
[18:36] <nemo> better quality too
[18:36] <avis> sorry for being off topic i was speaking in response from flac to another format, is that the game you refer to look ?
[18:37] <LinuxGuy2009> dump the stream? meaning?
[18:37] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: It's also handy to know, and no doubt I'd ask at a later date about that, But as for recording... I think the window equivalent is "stereo mix" is it possible in ubuntu?
[18:38] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: We would have said that if it were as simple.
[18:38] <lunks> Great, tried using gtkpod and all it did was erase all my album arts. :~
[18:38] <LinuxGuy2009> lunksz: erase everythingon you ipod and allow gtkpod to create the database.
[18:39] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: Guess it's not simple then :(  Could you point me to some line of googling that may help (if it's even possible in ubuntu)
[18:39] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: I use it all the time and works great.
[18:39] <OldSam> hi, I recently installed 10.04-beta2 server edition (with software-raid1) and now I faced a strange problem during boot (it worked before) : ...services like bind, cupsd and dhcpd aren't started anymore, though they're still listed as S..servicename under /etc/rc2.d/ - anyway, networking, pppd and sshd are still running...  I did not found an explanation for this so far, any ideas?
[18:39] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: Sure google all you want. Keep in mind most of us have wanted this for a long time.
[18:39] <arand_> CT1: It's rather simple: http://theaikenfamily.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=68&Itemid=31
[18:40] <lunks> LinuxGuy2009, if it creates the database, will everything i.e. album art goes right?
[18:40] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: Yeah if your files are tagged when you drop em back in yeah. They show fine.
[18:40] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: So it's not a matter of "it's not simple, but doable" rather "Re-write the kernel and you'll be fine?"
[18:40] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks:EasyTage-AAC is nice for tagging BTW.
[18:41]  * arand_ rembers a nicer guide for it, but can't find it now
[18:41] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: Its not easy from what I have found.
[18:41] <lunks> LinuxGuy2009, all my files are correctly tagged, but I don't think I'll reupload 2k files considering how gtkpod is slow. :/
[18:41] <CT1> arand_: I'll look that through.  Thanks
[18:41] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: Trip to radio shack for a 1/8" stero splitter and little 1/8 wire from splitter to line inis what I would do.
[18:42] <arand_> LinuxGuy2009: It is actually very easy ^
[18:42] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: Gtkpod isnt any slower than anything else ive used.
[18:42] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: Thankd for the advice, I'm still not put off though.  I'll try the software approach for now. (very poor)
[18:42] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: Good luck.
[18:42] <lunks> LinuxGuy2009, it's definitely slower than iTunes.
[18:43] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: dont use it then.
[18:44] <lunks> I'll not be using it, I'm just stating 'beware, album arts may be gone if you use gtkpod'
[18:44] <avis> i'm wondering how good the battery life in my clip+ is holding up i'm using my phones charge now that seems to have the same input hoping for better results
[18:44] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: not true. gtkpod does not remove tags.
[18:45] <lunks> LinuxGuy2009, please, explain to me why just hitting 'save' on it made my album arts gone.
[18:45] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: Thanks.  I'll update you with PM if I accomplish the task
[18:46] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: If you want to use gtkpod the erase everything on it. Allow gtkpod to create thedatabase. If you dont want to then dont.
[18:46] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: Thanks id like that!
[18:47] <lunks> LinuxGuy2009, you're saying 'if you get an already populated iPod on gtkpod, it may mess your tags up.'
[18:47] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: I use gtkpod all the time. Tags work fine. I already said that.
[18:47] <z0rt|work> can you sync an iPad with lucid?
[18:48] <arand_> LinuxGuy2009: Did you look at the link? pavucontrol can do the stereo mix recording in software as simple as pie...
[18:48] <LinuxGuy2009> arand_: Ill take a look now.Thanks.
[18:49] <lunks> LinuxGuy2009, it's not that it works for you makes it work for everyone, is it?
[18:50] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: Please dont waste your time. Linux isnt for you obviously.
[18:50] <lunks> LinuxGuy2009, I'm not sure I follow.
[18:50] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: Yeah I noticed
[18:51] <joaopinto> LinuxGuy2009, please be respectful
[18:51] <arand_> lunks: Probably, no one knows why it does it, do report a bug about.
[18:51] <claptrap> So, searching for certain words on any search engine in any browser crashes that browser: The words so far are "weather", "clock" and one other one that I don't remember just now.
[18:51] <joaopinto> lunks, you probably hit some bug , assuming it was not an user action ;)
[18:51] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: It works!!! Spotify under wine is now recording in audacity. arand was right!
[18:51] <lunks> LinuxGuy2009, stop trolling around
[18:52] <LinuxGuy2009> lunks: I already gave you advice to make it work. If you dont like it dont use it.
[18:52] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: care for PM instructions as to what I drunkenly did?
[18:52] <lunks> joaopinto, will sure do this.
[18:52] <LinuxGuy2009> CT1: Did you just follow that link and followed the directions?
[18:53] <CT1> LinuxGuy2009: Pretty much.  I had some packages installed beforehand from other guides, but never managed to get it working
[18:54] <avis> someone tell neidorlee that if i don't help him that when i die something will happen i have asked him to seek mental health assistance
[18:54] <avis> like an op please
[18:54] <neidorlee> i didnt force you to help me
[18:55] <neidorlee> you PM'd me
[18:55] <avis> i never attempted to help you
[18:55] <jpds> avis, neidorlee: Please, not here.
[18:55] <avis> yes sir
[18:55] <Darkaura> okay I downloaded the latest lucid amd64x iso, and my processor is a amd64 processor. anyway I get everything installed and before it freezes, I see a login prompt. Then it goes to the ubuntu splash screen and freezes, any thoughts?
[18:55] <avis> jpds, and thank you
[18:58] <arand_> Darkaura: May be a plymouth/kms issue, try booting with kernel option nomodeset
[18:58] <Darkaura> okay I don't even get a grub, or do you mean the livecd
[18:59] <LinuxGuy2009> Is flash for 64bit still in beta or whatever? Or is there a finished 64bit version now?
[18:59] <jpds> LinuxGuy2009: Beta.
[18:59] <LinuxGuy2009> Im still running 32bit on my quad core. Just waiting for 64bit flash.
[19:00] <agronholm> why wait
[19:00]  * agronholm runs 64 bit flash
[19:00] <LinuxGuy2009> does the beta flash work ok?
[19:00]  * blendmaster1024 has a 32bit proc :(
[19:00] <agronholm> unless you want to input international characters, sure
[19:01] <agronholm> not sure it works on the 32 bit version either
[19:01] <LinuxGuy2009> input internation characters? you lost me.
[19:02] <Darkaura> that was weird it just booted up
[19:02] <arand_> LinuxGuy2009: Far better than the 32 wrapper on 64, seems to be the general concesus
[19:03] <LinuxGuy2009> I have 2GB of system ram. Would 64bit benefit me very much at all?
[19:03] <patdk-wk> if you want to use harddrives >2tb :)
[19:04] <joaopinto> depends on what you use, in regular desktop usage you will not feel any difference
[19:04] <avis> it would have to be a little over 3 i believe LinuxGuy2009 but you can get 3.2 whatever gb limit to be seen by using a pae kernel
[19:04] <arand_> LinuxGuy2009: Depends, as a rule of thumb, no, maybe if you're doing heavy encoding work...
[19:04] <avis> though i have heard speed is most optimal in the 64 bit version of ubuntu
[19:04] <avis> in comparison to the pae choice for 32 bit users
[19:05] <atrus> patdk-wk: er, that doesn't make any sense at all.
[19:05] <atrus> or
[19:05] <LinuxGuy2009> Well as far as encoding, what about speed for handbrake DVD rips to x264?
[19:05] <patdk-wk> atrus, why?
[19:05] <atrus> oh, tb... hmm. i don't actually know :) i read that as gb.
[19:06] <atrus> patdk-wk: i've never heard of 64-bit mode having anything to do with disk size though. any reference for such a thing?
[19:06] <patdk-wk> heh?
[19:07] <patdk-wk> you never did?
[19:07] <patdk-wk> and your in here?
[19:07] <atrus> patdk-wk: pardon?
[19:07] <Urda> Question: Anybody upgrade from 9.10 to a 10.04 Beta 2 in a Dual Boot Environment where Windows was installed first?
[19:08] <z0rt|work> Urda: which windows
[19:09] <Darkaura> arand_ thanks for the help I don't know what I did but after I rebooted a second time it started to work
[19:09] <Urda> z0rt|work: Windows 7 Pro x64
[19:10] <Urda> z0rt|work: I'm assuming my GRUB2 settings will remain during an upgrade?
[19:10] <z0rt|work> Urda: they should, i had to do some wacky stuff with bcdedit to get mine to work. however, i had the installer resize my windows partition and put ubuntu on the remainder, so YMMV
[19:10] <arand_> Darkaura: Good : ) , didn't actually notice your response before, ya need to highlight people ; )
[19:11] <Urda> z0rt|work: YMMV? I had used Ubuntu to resize Windows to install 9.10
[19:12] <quiritius> i've fix the cli resolution with thru grub config (1440x900 now) but as often as not the cli is shifted below the screen border: only 2 line are visible.
[19:12] <z0rt|work> Urda: i started with 9.10 as well
[19:13] <avis> would someone be kind enough to send me the url the the ubuntu grub 2 wiki real quick just to see if the problems with ubuntu's serves have been resolved
[19:13] <Urda> z0rt|work: What does YMMV mean? Also would I have to worry alot about going from Beta 2 to the release later this month :)
[19:13] <avis> its a trigger
[19:13] <Urda> !avis grub2
[19:13] <avis> thank you
[19:13] <z0rt|work> Urda: it means your mileage may vary :)
[19:13] <Urda> !grub2 avis
[19:13] <avis> !grub2
[19:13] <markl_> hmm is there a place to discuss Tomboy issues?
[19:13] <Urda> z0rt|work: oh awesome :)
[19:13] <markl_> i realize that is the simplest app of all time so that should be unnecessary
[19:13] <Darkaura> arand_: okay sorry about that and I'm got my wireless working, god I remember when I had to compile the drivers for the Broadcom wireless, anyway, and now I'm updating
[19:13] <Urda> z0rt|work: so about that Beta to release... no big deal right?
[19:13] <markl_> but i'm wondering if there is any sort of networked tomboy app
[19:14] <markl_> so i can share notes on my iphone
[19:14] <z0rt|work> Urda: the only issue i really had to deal with was the fact that windows is still installed on my pc
[19:14] <markl_> or is there another ubuntu app that can do that kind of thing?
[19:15] <ninjai> I have a laptop and my keyboard backlight keys dont work.  xev returns output when they are pressed, and I am able to change the brightness manually from some file in the /proc directory.  How can I fix this
[19:15] <Urda> z0rt|work: lol, unfortunately I need it for my Engineering courses and USA Track and Field programs :\
[19:15] <patdk-wk> atrus, I'm thinking the 2.4 kernel, max size 2tb, since I had long ago switched to 64bit
[19:15] <claptrap> markl_: Honestly, I never even saw anything decent like that for Windows. The closest you can get, AFAIK, is using a web-based service like Evernote.
[19:15] <markl_> claptrap: i don't care about windows, just ubuntu 10.04 and iphone
[19:15] <Urda> markl_: Evernote has an iPhone app for sure
[19:16] <patdk-wk> with 2.6kernel and 32bit, your limited to 16tb
[19:16] <claptrap> markl_: Well, what I meant was, I don't think the application exists in the way you want in, EVEN in Windows, much less Linux. :p
[19:16] <markl_> oh ok, gotcha
[19:16] <z0rt|work> markl_: you could use google calendar i guess
[19:16] <markl_> is evernote a php app that i can deploy, or a service?
[19:17] <markl_> maybe i'm weird but i'd rather keep my personal info on my server
[19:17] <z0rt|work> i don't blame you, haha
[19:17] <claptrap> markl_: Evernote is a service. And yea, I agree. :p
[19:17] <avis> what is evernote ?  may i ask ?
[19:18] <claptrap> avis: It's an online sticky notes kinda webapp.
[19:18] <avis> ooh ok
[19:18] <claptrap> avis: Well, notes, anyway.
[19:18] <markl_> i have mob ties so i can't have my notes on google
[19:18] <markl_> unless i want cement shoes
[19:18] <z0rt|work> sleepin with the fishies
[19:19] <claptrap> markl_: Google will just use it to suggest where you might buy those shoes. ;D
[19:19] <gunksta> Is there any way to get a daily lucid image for the i386. I want the alt install, not the normal install. I don't see it at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:19] <avis> daily live build, google for that gunksta
[19:20] <gunksta> avis - thanks, but i don't want the live cd and that's all I'm able to find. I do know how to use Google
[19:20] <avis> they would not leave i386 out
[19:20] <patdk-wk> avis, he said ALTERNATE, not he couldn't find i386
[19:20] <gunksta> avis:all I can find are the live cd's - 386 and amd64, but I want the alt install
[19:20] <avis> got it.
[19:21] <avis> i hear you.  i'm sorry i've always used the live cd
[19:21] <patdk-wk> avis, I know I have like 6 computers, the live cd won't boot on, alternate works fine :)
[19:21] <gunksta> avis: i do too usually but this particular laptop is . . . well, it's a little difficult
[19:21] <claptrap> Laptops hate Linux. )=
[19:21] <z0rt|work> netbooks love it! :)
[19:22] <gunksta> i could just use the beta2, but I was trying to avoid a ton of updates
[19:22] <gunksta> wants a netbook
[19:22] <avis> oh wow yes there does seem to be a good place for those i used to use them and then after installation use envyng-gtk -core package to get support for my video card
[19:22] <claptrap> So, searching for certain words on any search engine in any browser crashes that browser: The words so far are "weather", "clock" and one other one that I don't remember just now.
[19:22] <claptrap> Really pissing me off, lol.
[19:22] <avis> gunksta, i'm sorry you can't find what your looking for
[19:22] <z0rt|work> the duck flies at midnight
[19:23] <gunksta> avis - no worries. I can always just use a beta and update it
[19:23] <avis> sounds like a plan
[19:23] <Urda> gunksta: this ins't what you want is it ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[19:24] <Urda> actually that might be it
[19:24] <Urda> :)
[19:24] <gunksta> Urda: yes, that's exactly what i want.
[19:24] <Urda> gunksta: awesome. Glad I could help :)
[19:26] <gunksta> downloading
[19:26] <patdk-wk> is that why ubuntu servers got so slow?
[19:26] <avis> have a nice day :)
[19:26] <memedood> I'm using this new ZOHO Office thing and in Word it has problems with the bold button
[19:26] <arand_> patdk-wk: The closer to release, the worse.
[19:27] <memedood> I can't turn off bold for next letters
[19:27] <joshyfluff> Is this the place for 10.04 discussion?
[19:27] <patdk-wk> arand_, ya, I was running my own mirror for a year or so
[19:27] <TommyThaGun_> jes JoshuaL
[19:27] <patdk-wk> that made things fast
[19:27] <TommyThaGun_> jes joshyfluff
[19:27] <patdk-wk> killed it off a few months ago though
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[19:27] <JoshuaL> :)
[19:27] <joshyfluff> Ok then... I'm having tablet problems...
[19:28] <patdk-wk> joshyfluff, order a new tablet?
[19:28] <TommyThaGun_> is it an ipad?
[19:28] <patdk-wk> don't spill soda on this one :)
[19:28] <joshyfluff> Its a wacom bamboo pen
[19:28] <joshyfluff> And it isn't hardware issues
[19:28] <arand_> They really should advertise torrent and zsync better on the homepage
[19:28] <TommyThaGun_> I don't know anything about tablets, just try me
[19:29] <joshyfluff> The tutorial I am following tells me to copy a nonexistent FDI file, and replace it. Is there no other way that I can get my tablet working? Because it currently has zero usability
[19:30] <gunksta> i wonder if the ubuntu servers will see a bigger crush now that the pirate bay is gone, and it looks like a few of the others may follow soon. They aren't necessary, but they do help people find the torrents
[19:30] <patdk-wk> yep, I downloaded many of my ubuntu iso's from bittorrent using isohunt
[19:31] <patdk-wk> now that is useless too
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> Patdk-wk: as long as its md5 matches what is on the official md5sum page it doesn't matter where its from
[19:32] <joshyfluff> No help then?
[19:32] <z0rt|work> gunksta: thepiratebay is still going strong mate
[19:32] <joshyfluff> Never mind.
[19:32] <patdk-wk> ActionParsnip, how many clicks I do to find it does matter though :)
[19:33] <gunksta> z0rt|work: I thought they got shut down . . . sheepishly goes to look
[19:33] <patdk-wk> joshyfluff just overloaded us with info to help him :(
[19:33]  * arand_ remembers the "leaked" ubuntu isos that always gets pushed to the torrent-sharing sites close to release >_<
[19:33] <z0rt|work> gunksta: isohunt got accosted though
[19:33] <patdk-wk> arand_, I would never download something from there that is that close to release, maybe a few months old :)
[19:34] <gunksta> z0rt|work: yep -- piratebay is most definitely still there. memory must be fading with age.
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Patdk-wk: just remember to md5 sum all isos you download. You did md5 sum right?
[19:34] <patdk-wk> heh, I had md5 so bad, need sha256 atleast :)
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> Patdk-wk: whatever as long as its verified its ok
[19:36] <Sa[i]nT> Is there a Meerkat chatroom yet?
[19:36] <JoshuaL> in lucid ubuntu would connect to wifi before i logged in
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> Patdk-wk: also burn as slow as you can and run the cd verifier when you first boot to the cd.
[19:36] <JoshuaL> now i always have to wait before i can actually surf the internet :(
[19:36] <patdk-wk> ActionParsnip, I never burn
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> Patdk-wk: if its still bad, try boot options
[19:37] <patdk-wk> vmware mount, or put it onto flash
[19:37] <jmichaelx> Sa[i]nT: i do not believe so. it will be found in #ubuntu+1 , after lucid release
[19:37] <patdk-wk> oh, mounting the live or desktop iso's?
[19:38] <patdk-wk> na, it's some issue, like half the dell hardware I have just won't boot them, grub won't even start I believe
[19:38] <patdk-wk> just shove the alternate cd in, and it's fine
[19:38] <z0rt|work> be gentle!
[19:38] <patdk-wk> it's not a burning or md5 issue, as it checks out fine, and even works perfectly on a different computer
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> Patdk-wk: then use boot options or vm config to make the system simpler for the duration of the install
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> Patdk-wk: or disable it in bios
[19:39] <patdk-wk> boot options don't work, if the boot menu doesn't come up :)
[19:39] <patdk-wk> disable what in bios?
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> Patdk-wk: if its to do a non-vm install then stuff like bluetooth,networking,sound anything you can to make life easier
[19:40] <patdk-wk> no bluetooth, only intel e1000 network, no sound
[19:41] <patdk-wk> it's dell servers, not much of that in them
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> Still kill the lan, it may be silly enough to help
[19:41] <patdk-wk> heh, plugging in a usb cdrom drive also fixs the issue
[19:41] <patdk-wk> so I doubt it
[19:41] <patdk-wk> but it's a pain
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> If you fixed it then no need :)
[19:43] <Zelozelos> every once and a while when i start up and it gets to the purple screen it says "checking disk" and it gets to 72% and then freezes or something, whats goin on here?
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> Zelozelos: run a full fsck in a livecd environment. You may also want to get the ultimate boot cd which has many manufacturers disk check tools to make sure it is physically ok
[19:45] <Zelozelos> ok i will thanks
[19:46] <Zelozelos> where do i find the fsck thing?
[19:48] <z0rt|work> Zelozelos: it's an integral part of linux
[19:49] <Zelozelos> ok but how do i get it to check my hd from live cd?
[19:51] <Zelozelos> will the screen savers from this site work on this os?  http://www.digimindsoft.com/ubuntu-screensaver.html
[19:52] <Pici> Zelozelos: Generally no.
[19:52] <z0rt|work> Zelozelos: boot the livecd, open a terminal, do sudo fdisk -l, then if your disk is /dev/sda do fdisk /dev/sda
[19:52] <Zelozelos> ahh ok z0rt|work  i will do so :)
[19:52] <Zelozelos> any suggestion on whre i can get more screensavers?
[19:53] <gunksta> Zelozelos: from the command-line apt-cache search screensaver or look in synaptic.
[19:55] <z0rt|work> Zelozelos: make sure your disk isn't mounted before you fdisk it
[19:55] <Zelozelos> alrighty will do so ;)
[19:58] <JoshuaL> empathy only shows jabber as protocol for a new chat account
[19:58] <JoshuaL> how can i make use of the msn protocol?
[19:59] <Darkaura> now that I finally got lucid working it's awsome
[20:00] <z0rt|work> absolutely
[20:00] <avis> simply beautiful.  new graphics card.  works like a charm :)
[20:01] <dupondje> to bad empathy doesn't support msn transfers :(
[20:04] <z0rt|work> i'm installing jolicloud on my lucid netbook so i can dualboot and check it out, i hope it doesn't explode!
[20:06] <jrr> I'm not adapting to Empathy IM easily
[20:07] <jrr> can it be made to pop up new IMs into existing tabbed conversation windows?
[20:07] <JoshuaL> empathy only shows jabber as protocol for a new chat account, and i want to use the msn protocol. is there a fix for this?
[20:07] <atrus> JoshuaL: you probably need telepathy-butterfly installed.
[20:08] <Darkaura> well if you don't like empathy you can uninstall empathy and install amsn
[20:08] <JoshuaL> atrus, i checked that already
[20:08] <JoshuaL> atrus, sudo aptitude install telepathy-butterfly gives: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[20:08] <JoshuaL> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:09] <gunksta> JoshuaL: something doesn't sound right - on my empathy, I can definitely set up a MSN account, among many others. Are you sure that MSN isn't an option after you hit the ADD button in the accounts dialog?
[20:09] <JoshuaL> gunksta, totally sure, only jabber
[20:10] <balas> sudo apt-cache search msn empathy
[20:11] <JoshuaL> balas, http://pastebin.com/FZKve96t
[20:11] <gunksta> JoshuaL: you could try reinstalling empathy empathy-common telepathy-gnome and then delete the local config to see if that helps.
[20:11] <balas> whats that ?
[20:11] <JoshuaL> balas, a link to pastebin with the output of that command :)
[20:12] <balas> i believe gunksta is more knowledgeable
[20:12] <gunksta> JoshuaL: yuck - looks like empathy stores everything in gconf.   ~/.gconf/apps/empathy/accounts
[20:12] <gunksta> balas: i just make it up as i go
[20:13] <balas> :)  i hate being other peoples google
[20:13] <gunksta> gives me something to do when I'm bored at work
[20:13] <balas> i'm guilty of that too, but sometimes the answer is simple :)
[20:13] <z0rt|work> jrr: pidgin does that
[20:14] <JoshuaL> gunksta, doing that now
[20:14] <gunksta> There's definitely something weird about JoshuaL's system. I don't know if empathy's MSN support is any good, but it is definitely an option on my machine
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[20:15] <JoshuaL> reinstalling doesnt help either gunksta
[20:15] <gunksta> JoshuaL: did you wipe out the gconf settings?
[20:16] <NinoScript> About the guest session: Is it possible to configure anything there?
[20:17] <JoshuaL> gunksta, i did
[20:18] <gunksta> JoshuaL: well, it beats me. It should offer MSN as an option.
[20:18] <gunksta> JoshuaL: you could try #ubuntu where there are more people
[20:19] <dr3mro> does nautilus crash when trying to access network shares in lucid or it's just me ?? and do lucid uses much RAM Mine uses up to 800 MB and idle 450 MB ??? of My 3G Karmic didn't exceed 400 never ?????? and fspot greys alot ??? are these bugs or it's just me ????
[20:19] <gunksta> JoshuaL: I think someone else mentioned this, but do you have telepathy-butterfly installed?
[20:19] <JoshuaL> gunksta, yes and i just reinstalled it without luck
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> Dr3mro: check the output of: free -m ,you will find most of it is disk cache, this is normal and will be freed up if real apps need the space
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> Dr3mro: disk cache makes you slow hdd access go smoother and faster
[20:22] <JoshuaL> i give up for now
[20:23] <jrr> z0rt|work: yeah, I know pidge does.. was evaluating empathy.  I wound up going back to Pidgin.
[20:23] <jrr> for exactly that reason
[20:23] <JoshuaL> ill stick with pidgin
[20:23] <JoshuaL> thanks for the help everyone :)
[20:23] <dr3mro> Xchat + firefox & lots of plugins =100M +empathy +gwibber+terminal update + terminal free -m  = 452 MB ??? thats too much I think and rest of cache makes my usage 1.5 GB and by the way is there a tweak to make ubuntu caches more i mean i never get the use of my 3G only 450 ~ 800 for apps and 800~400 for disk cache ?
[20:23] <jrr> I just hopped by #empathy on irc.gimp.org, where they told my they haven't implemented the feature for fear of stealing focus with buggy WMs
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> Dr3mro: your disk cache and ram use will be transparently managed by the kernel. You could change you vm.swappiness to 1 to make the system try to keep apps in ram which can make life smooter
[20:26] <NinoScript> I want to configure how my guest session will behave and look like (change the wallpaper, switch desktop environment, swap keys with xmodmap, &c.)
[20:27] <NinoScript> or make a passwordless account… or an account with a veeeery small password (1 character or so)
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> Ninoscript: you could make another user, configure everything then copy the config files to the guest accounts then chown them to the guest account
[20:28] <dr3mro> ActionParsnip, mine never swapped except with fspot when i imported my iberary and it literaly used 2G swap and 1.5 G ram to import and it hang 3 times and i had to start again and it never can upload large number of photo to facebook ?? may be its a beta problem but i wish it get fixed by the final release .. fspot did had a problem in karmic with the new wave them .. i mean if canonical don.t tweak fspot why dont just use gthumb instead i uses it and its
[20:28] <dr3mro>  really flaky but any way fspot have morefeatures
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> Dr3mro: I don't use facebookand didn't know it could upload to fbook
[20:29] <Machtin> how can i switch to another window, like alt+tab when i got a window open, which obviously doesn't support that? openarena, for example
[20:29] <Machtin> +?
[20:30] <JoshuaL> not?
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> Dr3mro: use gthumb if you prefer it, just because an app is default doesn't make it better than any other
[20:35] <Bizzeh> hi, cant seem to get ubuntu 10.04 to connect to a windows 7 share, could anyone give me any help?
[20:36] <z0rt|work> hey what's the key to pull up the grub2 menu at boot?
[20:36] <dupondje> z0rt|work: I tought ESC
[20:36] <josip> hello, anyone tried the server no backfill patch on lynx?
[20:36] <dupondje> or tab
[20:36] <dupondje> :)
[20:36] <NinoScript> "[…] copy the config files to the guest accounts then chown them to the guest account" so… how do I do that? :P
[20:36] <josip> s/server/xserver/
[20:37] <josip> NinoScript: man cp and man chown
[20:37] <josip> assuming that you want to learn something
[20:39] <NinoScript> mmm, let me rephrase that… where do I copy the config files to? the guest account doesn't really exist until you log in (or that is what I thought)
[20:39] <dr3mro> please help me fix nautilus crash when trying to click on windows networks icons in network and gives me segmention fault
[20:41] <josip> dr3mro: I doubt that anyone here is very familiar with natuilus' internals
[20:41] <josip> is there a similiar bug report filled in?
[20:41] <dr3mro> josip, is it working in you machine or a bug so i try to find a fix or wait for update
[20:43] <StevenR> Hi. I'm running the lucid b2 ... is it correct that update manager should be wanting to update 350ish packages today (I did the upgrade a couple of days ago)... has something big changed?
[20:43] <dr3mro> does nautilus browse networks in your lucid install or its just me
[20:44] <balas> will there be a large update between today and tomorrow ?
[20:45] <balas> something gets frozen on the 15th
[20:47] <Darkaura> okay I have a problem my the computer with lucid on it can see the computers with windows on them no problem, when go to view the shared folders it asks me for a user name and password I enter the user name and password but it won't connect the screen with username and password comes back up am I doing anything wrong?
[20:50] <z0rt|work> i think installing jolicloud broke my lucid install
[20:54] <darkaura> would I have to install samba to view my windows shares?
[20:58] <z0rt|work> yup
[20:59] <darkaura> but how come I can see my windows computer on the ubuntu machine
[21:01] <z0rt|work> because ubuntu has native samba support
[21:02] <darkaura> but I still have to install it to view the shared folders
[21:02] <z0rt|work> i think i'm reading something wrong here
[21:02] <z0rt|work> hahaha
[21:07] <darkaura> how come when I go to  personal file sharing preferences, and under Share files over the Network it shows This feature cannot be enabled because the required packages are not installed? what packages do I need
[21:10] <fifth> I'm trying to find the best solution for firefox with embedded wav/avi/etc files ... got xine going for now but not ideal ... mozilla-mplayer is deprecated, official solution is gecko-mediaplayer, but that uses  the Gnome version of MPlayer ... was looking for a KDE4/Qt solution?
[21:11] <JEEBsv> Is there a "real" solution? Other than just telling people to use the player itself to load the file/stream >_>
[21:11] <JEEBsv> AFAIK none of those addons really are endorsed by Mozilla, and, in the worst case, abandoned
[21:12] <fifth> yeah but there are working solutions for GNome, even if unsupported, was just hoping for an embedded video with controls
[21:13] <JEEBsv> Oh, I'm surprised -- gecko-mediaplayer actually is still updated
[21:14] <JEEBsv> But does it use the unkept mplayer GUI from the svn or something else?
[21:14] <darkaura> I have samba smb/cifs file, print, and login server for unix installed, is there anything else I need?
[21:15] <W3ird_N3rd> I am either very very stupid or I have found quite a bug. I'm trying to install lucid beta2 using a netboot CD, but all it says is that no kernel modules can be found in the archive, no matter which mirror I pick
[21:15] <W3ird_N3rd> ..which is quite annoying because it prevents me from installing lucid
[21:21] <W3ird_N3rd> any of you ever installed lucid using a netboot disc?
[21:22] <JEEBsv> o/
[21:22] <JEEBsv> owait
[21:22] <JEEBsv> I'm getting tired
[21:22] <JEEBsv> misread that as netbook >_>
[21:22] <JEEBsv> carry on
[21:23] <W3ird_N3rd> well, I tried, but did not succeed.
[21:23] <W3ird_N3rd> So I wondered if anyone tried and succeeded.
[21:24] <Lachesis> Hello all. I'm using Xubuntu 10.04 (up to date in Synaptic) and am having problems with gnome-keyring-daemon. It works fine in seahorse and for my wifi, but it isn't setting SSH_AUTH_SOCK no matter what I do.
[21:24] <User_007> Hello. Where can i talk about shipit? i requested a CD and now i get "Demand for Ubuntu CDs is very high, and we're trying to ensure that we have enough CDs for those who really need one. We've noticed that you've already received CDs of several previous Ubuntu releases. "
[21:25] <W3ird_N3rd> User_007, this channel is for Ubuntu 10.04 lucid (beta) testing
[21:25] <User_007> shipit is already lucid lynx
[21:25] <W3ird_N3rd> good
[21:25] <W3ird_N3rd> but do you really need CD's?
[21:25] <Lachesis> it is definitely starting the SSH component, because /tmp/keyring-xxxxyy/ssh exists and when I manually set the right SSH_AUTH_SOCK, it works. Also, GNOME_KEYRING_PID and _CONTROL are getting set
[21:25] <W3ird_N3rd> you know you can download the ISO and burn one yourself.
[21:26] <User_007> W3ird_N3rd, yes. but i have not enought internet limit or bandwith
[21:27] <User_007> i have about 100kbps (10KB/s) and limitted by 100MB internet
[21:27] <W3ird_N3rd> that's not much.. south africa or something?
[21:27] <karlhunt> Blimey you can have some of my 10mb if you like :-p
[21:27] <User_007> is there a way to get alowed to shipit more cds?
[21:28] <Lachesis> Anybody have any ideas about gnome-keyring-daemon errors?
[21:28] <W3ird_N3rd> but euhm, I could also understand shipit doesn't indefinetely ship free CD's around. Considering all the updates (in terms of bandwidth) it might not be a bad idea to stick to LTS versions
[21:28] <User_007> like "becoming an Ubuntu member by contributing to Ubuntu, and thereby becoming eligible for more CDs"
[21:28] <W3ird_N3rd> other than that, there are also shops selling Ubuntu CD's, in case shipit doesn't ship to you anymore.
[21:29] <User_007> i requested two CDs
[21:29] <W3ird_N3rd> not that I have any experience with shipit, I don't even have a data limit
[21:29] <User_007> one from 9.04 and one from 9.10
[21:30] <gunksta> User_007: I know it's not exactly what you were looking for, but you can purchase Ubuntu DVDs from Amazon - http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/purchase - You get more add-on apps that way.
[21:31] <User_007> gunksta, i don't have enough money to buys CDs
[21:31] <User_007> either to an decent internet plan
[21:31] <W3ird_N3rd> User_007, it's a good question (becoming a member or anything to become more eligible for more CD's), I would suggest asking that in #ubuntu. If that's not possible I still suggest buying them from some shop, they won't be that expensive.
[21:31] <W3ird_N3rd> User_007, just wondering in that case.. where do you live?
[21:31] <gunksta> User_007: I was afraid you might say that.
[21:33] <User_007> ty all
[21:33] <W3ird_N3rd> euhm ok his country is a secret apparently
[21:34] <Lachesis> yeah
[21:34] <Lachesis> strange
[21:34] <W3ird_N3rd> if he would indeed live in south africa I would have likely been willing to ship some DVD's to him
[21:34] <gunksta> yeah, i was thinking I would log in and give shipit his address and order them as myself.
[21:34] <Lachesis> i can't think of any reason for him to fake not having good internet.
[21:35] <gunksta> But, we can't really send him something if we don't have anything more specific, than 3rd rock from the sun
[21:35] <Lachesis> just blanket the earth with Ubuntu CDs
[21:35] <Lachesis> that ought to reach him
[21:36] <gunksta> Good idea. Anyone have Shuttleworth's cell number?
[21:36] <karlhunt> Updates must be a nightmare for him
[21:36] <EdgEy> you might have a problem with distributing 10.10, when you blocked all the sunlight with .04
[21:37] <gunksta> But if you've got practically no Internet connection, security updates aren't particularly important
[21:37] <Lachesis> no updates? that would be like going back to the Windows 98 days.
[21:37] <karlhunt> Did anyone see the Futurama where there was a giant ball of garbage and aol disks threatenting to crash into the earth?
[21:39] <karlhunt> ubuntocyplypse
[21:39] <Bookman> karlhunt, and this offers support how?
[21:40] <Lachesis> User007 just joined #ubuntu to ask people
[21:40] <Lachesis> they asked where he lived
[21:40] <Lachesis> and he /quit
[21:41] <gunksta> And a touch of humor ensued.
[21:42] <Bookman> #ubuntu-offtopic offers lots of conversation.
[21:43] <darkaura> I'm having a problem for some reason I'm unable to view my shared folders on my windows 7 machines
[21:43] <Lachesis> I'm having trouble with the SSH component of gnome-keyring-daemon under Xubuntu. GNOME_KEYRING_PID is set to the right pid, and /tmp/keyring-xxxyyy/ssh exists, but SSH_AUTH_SOCK is unset. If I set it, everything works dandy, but for some reason XFCE won't do that for me...
[21:44] <pcg> How do I undo "sudo im-switch -s default-xim"? "sudo im-switch -s default" didn't help and now I can't write øæå in for example gedit or accents, umlauts etc. anywhere. "Greek Polytonic" shows the same problem.
[21:44] <Lachesis> I even have code in my .profile that, if sourced, will resolve the problem (for the current terminal, obviously)
[21:44] <zenker> i was here earlier and stated  this "sometimes when i start up ubuntu it does a checking disk thing and it freezes at 73% and i was told to start a live cd session and fdisk, by fdisk /dev/sda5 (sda 5 is my ubuntu partition) but it says "unable to open /dev/sda5" what am i doing wrong?
[21:45] <Lachesis> zenker: fsck probably, not fdisk
[21:46] <Lachesis> so run fsck /dev/sda5
[21:46] <darkaura> does anyone have any ideas on how to do that
[21:46] <Lachesis> darkaura, it works fine over here
[21:46] <zenker> it says permission denied while trying to open /dev/sda5 you mush have r/w access to the filesystem or be root
[21:46] <Lachesis> you probably have an error in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[21:47] <Lachesis> zenker, are you using fsck or fdisk?
[21:47] <mauri> i need help for my scanner canon lide 100
[21:47] <zenker> fsck
[21:47] <BUGabundo> evening 'p
[21:47] <Lachesis> zenker: sudo fsck /dev/sda5
[21:47] <W3ird_N3rd> sudo fsck -f /dev/sda5
[21:47] <Lachesis> ^^ what he said
[21:47] <zenker> ahh ok there it goes thank you
[21:48] <zenker> what is the -f switch? i want it to fix/resolve any errors or do what its gotta do
[21:49] <W3ird_N3rd> Force checking even if filesystem is marked clean
[21:49] <W3ird_N3rd> in case it's marked clean the check is skipped.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> great... now I'm left with an artifact on my screen... from a mouse over tooltip. how can I remove this ?
[21:49] <Lachesis> anybody know what's up with my gnome-keyring-daemon problem?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> me, on debian
[21:49] <BUGabundo> no prob so far in ubuntu
[21:50] <darkaura> what would cause me not being able not to see the shared folders it has been a while since I've looked through a samba config file
[21:50] <Lachesis> darkaura, not sure
[21:50] <Lachesis> can you see them from another ubuntu machine?
[21:50] <Lachesis> how about from that machine?
[21:50] <Lachesis> BUGabundo, for some reason it refuses to set SSH_AUTH_SOCK. It even puts the proper line in .Xsession.errors
[21:51] <zenker> so i guess after it ran its all good now? would it have reported any issues  i saw the pass 1-5 and  /dev/sda5: 163923/1966080 files (0.2% non-contiguous), 2086461/7851760 blocks  lines
[21:51] <W3ird_N3rd> I thought windows ignored shared folders at random. At least that's what it's always done to me.
[21:51] <BUGabundo> Lachesis: not what I'm seeing in debian
[21:51] <darkaura> lachesis this is the only ubuntu machine
[21:51] <W3ird_N3rd> sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't, sometimes only a few.
[21:52] <Lachesis> darkaura, can you see ANY shared folders?
[21:53] <Lachesis> darkaura, try smbclient -L localhost
[21:53] <darkaura> Lachesis not from the Ubuntu machine, but I do see the computers themselves
[21:53] <zenker> is .2% non-contiguous meaning that theres .2%fragmented files ...do i need to defrag?
[21:53] <Lachesis> zenker, nah
[21:53] <Lachesis> .2% is nothing
[21:54] <zenker> allrighty thanks guys
[21:54] <Lachesis> np
[21:55] <darkaura> Lachesis it says client plaintext auth
[21:56] <duffydack> !swap
[21:57] <rye> anybody got image of alpha1 iso for i386/amd64 ?
[21:57] <yofel> rye: why would you need alpha1?
[21:57] <rye> or anybody knows of a secret place where this can be taken from
[21:58] <rye> yofel, bug #560377 - virtual mouse of lucid in vm is sloow
[21:58] <Lachesis> darkaura, not sure, sorry.
[22:01] <W3ird_N3rd> rye, you said alpha 1 right?
[22:03] <W3ird_N3rd> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5251747/Ubuntu_10.4_%28Alpha_1_version%29 guess you have to wait for seeders, but why would you want it..
[22:04] <W3ird_N3rd> but doesn't anybody know why the netboot disc doesn't work at all?
[22:04] <W3ird_N3rd> it says there are no kernel modules in the archive
[22:04] <W3ird_N3rd> which is really bad
[22:07] <darkaura> now I can view my ubuntu machine from my windows machine now to get it to work the other way
[22:07] <W3ird_N3rd> oh my, this is the second time this channel goes silent when I ask that.. is it something I said?
[22:08] <W3ird_N3rd> darkaura, places>connect to server
[22:09] <darkaura> W3ird_N3rd I see my computer through nautilis but I can't get access to the shared folder
[22:10] <W3ird_N3rd> I vaguely remember something like enabled guest account on Windows, but you're really in the wrong channel for that.
[22:11] <W3ird_N3rd> I haven't used Windows for years and wouldn't exactly know from the top of my head how you enable the guest account
[22:11] <W3ird_N3rd> through connect to server you can enter a user name, that might help
[22:12] <z0rt|work> for guest accounts you have to set one up through an account with administrator rights
[22:26] <qwebirc31570> hello?
[22:26] <qwebirc31570> anyone here?
[22:27] <lullabud> nope.
[22:27] <lullabud> :P
[22:29] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:29] <BUGabundo> lets us enjoy the silence of post beta2
[22:29] <lullabud> hah, seriously
[22:30] <z0rt|work> ehehehe
[22:32] <tabasko> I did found interesting thin about lucid
[22:32] <tabasko> *thing
[22:33] <tabasko> I lately changed my non-os partition's filesystem from ntfs to fat
[22:33] <tabasko> I did that from OSX, which I have dualboot with ubuntu
[22:33] <W3ird_N3rd> interesting swap
[22:33] <W3ird_N3rd> usually the other way around
[22:34] <tabasko> Before that I did edit /etc/fstab line, and when I did try boot ubuntu with old ntfs line there, thada, it doenst boot!
[22:34] <thebrasse> Hello! Does anyone here know how to downgrade to python-reportlab 2.3 in lucid if I have already installed python-reportlab 2.4?
[22:34] <tabasko> I di must boot from live cd and fix the fstab line, isnt this odd?
[22:34] <W3ird_N3rd> thebrasse, yes
[22:35] <W3ird_N3rd> you are familiar with the commandline?
[22:35] <thebrasse> yes...
[22:35] <W3ird_N3rd> first you need to remove python-reportlab 2.4 (you can also do that with synaptic if you want)
[22:35] <yofel> tabasko: actually that is to be somewhat expected, mountall handles bad fstab lines really bad by just stopping to boot right now, I think many of us had similiar issues
[22:35] <lullabud> tabasko: if you changed your partition type and didn't update fstab, that's not weird at all.  NTFS and FAT are incredibly different.
[22:36] <W3ird_N3rd> now you "cd /var/cache/apt/archives"
[22:37] <W3ird_N3rd> thebrasse, and you can sudo dpkg -i yourdesired.deb
[22:37] <tabasko> yofel, yes. errors about mountall did come when I hit esc on boot
[22:37] <ardchoille> If I install 10.04beta 2 now and keep it up to date, will it end up being the exact same thing as if I installed the final release scheduled for the 29th of this month?
[22:37] <tabasko> but, is this always been this way? I remember fussing around with filesystems with old ubuntus, and they did still start
[22:38] <yofel> tabasko: actually I think that's to protect against corrupt systems if a necessary mount is just skipped, doesn't plymouth give you a prompt to skip mounting it?
[22:38] <tabasko> yofel, no
[22:38] <W3ird_N3rd> is that working thebrasse?
[22:38] <yofel> hm
[22:38] <tabasko> it did shoot me with errors and odd numbers
[22:38] <yofel> !beta | ardchoille
[22:39] <thebrasse> W3ird_N3rd: It would if I had the debs... :-)
[22:39] <ardchoille> yofel: Thank you :)
[22:39] <thebrasse> W3ird_N3rd: I only have the reportlab 2.4 debs there. Where can I download 2.3?
[22:39] <yofel> tabasko: did you see odd errors in the boot splash or in the terminal? did you see anything in the splash
[22:41] <tabasko> yofel, plymouth did show that cute bootlogo all the time, until I did hit Esc then I did see the errors scrolling on the screen
[22:41] <yofel> hm, mountall *should* post an error message in the splash too then
[22:41] <tabasko> that would be nice yes
[22:42] <tabasko> because its pretty easy "broke" ubuntu if somebody only changes filesystem
[22:42] <tabasko> haha, but maybe everybody isnt gonna do that all the time
[22:43] <W3ird_N3rd> thebrasse, you can try http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/python-reportlab but I can't guarantee it'll work
[22:43] <Zelda> Hello everyone.
[22:43] <Zelda> I just purchased a MyTouch 3g, is there a managing program for this?
[22:44] <Zelda> it recognizes it and charges it... but it wont open it.
[22:44] <jcastro> Zelda: it mounts as a usb stick
[22:44] <jcastro> you need to pull down the bar thing on the phone and mount it
[22:44] <Zelda> yeah but its not mounting.
[22:44] <Zelda> hm hang on..
[22:45] <thebrasse> W3ird_N3rd: Thanks! I'll try and see what happens.
[22:45] <Zelda> hahah there we go!
[22:45] <Zelda> thanks!
[22:46] <Zelda> Wow! this is SWEET!
[22:46] <yofel> tabasko: ok, didn't find any bug on LP about that, can you file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug mountall' that you don't get an error message in plymouth when it fails to mount the drive?
[22:48] <W3ird_N3rd> is there a seperate channel for the netboot disc?
[22:49] <W3ird_N3rd> because boy this is annoying. First it says no mirror has kernel modules.  So I burned a new netboot ISO (daily it seems), and this one doesn't obtain an IP through DHCP!
[22:49] <W3ird_N3rd> that's a step backwards.
[22:49] <jpds> W3ird_N3rd: No mirror?
[22:49] <W3ird_N3rd> jpds, tried the netherlands, UK and US mirrors
[22:50] <W3ird_N3rd> it kept saying none had kernel modules
[22:50] <W3ird_N3rd> that was the netboot ISO from 1 or 2 days ago
[22:50] <jpds> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/
[22:50] <jpds> Lies.
[22:50] <W3ird_N3rd> and the one from 13 april can't obtain an IP using DHCP
[22:51] <W3ird_N3rd> jpds, it's most likely a netboot specific problem
[22:51] <W3ird_N3rd> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[22:54] <tabasko> yofel, yes. I will do that
[22:55] <MTecknology> so.. I just finished wiping / off of my system temporarily and now I can't install lvm2 which is pretty much required for to finish fixing my system...
[22:56] <MTecknology> Any ideas what's broken?  http://dpaste.com/183963/
[22:56] <MTecknology> I'm on a 10.04 live cd - I have no other cd's
[22:56] <venger> there's a known issue where windows disables (or puts in sleep mode?) realtek NICs thus the NIC won't link up until windows is booted again.  This breaks networking in linux.  Anyone dealt with this and devised your own fix?  I've tried things like turning on the boot rom and disabling things in the driver.  tia for any help.
[22:57] <MTecknology> venger: ouch..
[22:57] <lullabud> venger: i know that in the past, realtek windows drivers have had an option to disable that feature.
[22:57] <lullabud> venger: i've always hated that "feature"... unplug power, card goes to sleep.  because, you know, nobody uses ethernet on battery....
[22:58] <venger> i thought it would be something like diabling "Allow windows to manage power"
[22:58] <venger> and i enabled Shutdown WOL
[22:58] <lullabud> venger: check control panel in windows, there's a driver in there with a checkbox.  otherwise it's worth looking in BIOS too.
[22:58] <lullabud> venger: what model computer?
[22:59] <len_> I just upgraded to 10.04 (Kubuntu) and can't get the nvidia drivers to work.  They load ok, and there are no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  I can log in but everything looks crappy, and then the screen goes black the if I launch a program.
[22:59] <venger> lullabud, custom built Asus p7p55d evo + i7 860
[23:01] <len_> I'm so sick of the video driver bs every release.  The worst problem with linux.
[23:03] <W3ird_N3rd> len_, did you install the closed drivers or are you using nouveau?
[23:03] <len_> Seems like a lot of people are having problems getting the nvidia 195 drivers to install and/or load.  I had no problem with that.  They just don't work right.  Anyone else having that problem?
[23:03] <len_> The closed drivers.
[23:03] <len_> They are the only ones with usable 3d
[23:04] <len_> I am using nv right now, and they are working ok with no 3d
[23:05] <venger> len_,  well from what i've seen nouveau would need to be blacklisted to use the blob or roll your own kernel without it
[23:05] <W3ird_N3rd> len_, that's impossible I believe
[23:05] <W3ird_N3rd> the nv drivers were removed in 10.04 weren't they?
[23:05] <len_> I'm using them, so I guess not.
[23:06] <len_> It doesn't matter if nouveau is blacklisted or not in my case
[23:06] <len_> nouveau modules doesn't get loaded anyway.
[23:06] <underdev> anyone else having a problem connecting to ubuntu one?
[23:06] <venger> len_, what about some fb module ala vga16fb or something?
[23:07] <len_> I'll check, but I don't think that mod is loading.
[23:07] <W3ird_N3rd> https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa has only karmic drivers..hmmm
[23:09] <len_> hmm, vga16fb is loaded now, but not sure if it was when I was on nvidia drivers
[23:10] <len_> I thought that was causing problems getting nvidia to laod in the first place though.
[23:10] <len_> It's all thumbs up in my Xorg.0.log file.  nvidia 195 drivers load fine
[23:10] <len_> The just don't work right
[23:10] <W3ird_N3rd> I would suspect that would be an nvidia problem
[23:11] <venger> len_, meaning?
[23:11] <Volkodav> what's the name of gnome language switcher applet ?
[23:12] <len_> Starts out looking crappy (oversaturated, and parts of text washed out), then goes to all black screen when I launch any program.
[23:13] <len_> Can still see/move white pointer around though
[23:14] <yofel> len_: what graphics card? kubuntu with 195 works just fine on my Quadro NVS 140M and GeForce 250GTS
[23:15] <len_> 9800
[23:15] <len_> Do you have desktop effects turned on?
[23:16] <len_> I was wondering if compositing was broken
[23:16] <len_> BUT
[23:17] <len_> KDM logon screen looks bad too and shouldn't be effected by that
[23:18] <len_> It looks bad like lcd screens do when they are set to a non-native res--even though it is not.
[23:18] <len_> looks perfectly crisp when I switch back to nv
[23:19] <AK> Guys mine Audio input level (internal microphone) is not recognized on dual boot install. Please advise ...
[23:19] <AK> Hardware: DELL Vostro 2510 ALC268
[23:20] <AK> Is it true that Ubuntu doesn't work on Dual Boot...?
[23:21] <len_> youfel, 195 worked for me (except for some other unrelated issues which caused me to stick to 190) in karmic, just not lucid
[23:24] <DanaG> len_: sounds like the nv driver may be dithering, and the nvidia binary not?
[23:24] <DanaG> Most laptop LCDs are not true 24-bit color... they're usually 18-bit.
[23:25] <DASPRiD> DanaG, and i always thought mine had 32-bit ;P
[23:25] <DanaG> naw, 32 is what Windows calls 24-with-alpha.
[23:25] <len_> It's a Desktop, and black text looks terrible, so colors is not the issue
[23:25] <DanaG> 8 bits each R, G, B, A.
[23:26] <DASPRiD> DanaG, that's the joke i was refering to ;)
[23:27] <len_> Could be some nvidia-settings that are being applied that need to be cleard I though.
[23:27] <DanaG> What I'd want some day: DreamColor LCD (30-bit color, woot!)
[23:27] <DASPRiD> DanaG, i bet you can't tell the difference between 24-bit and 30-bit colors when i show you them ;P
[23:27] <len_> If I try to open nvidia-setting though it crashes to black screen just like any other app
[23:28] <DASPRiD> DanaG, anyway, 32-bit color display are possible in theory, think about transparent glass displays ;)
[23:28] <len_> I think those are stored in user profiles though
[23:29] <len_> and kdm is before logon and that looks bad too
[23:29] <BUGabundo> WTH
[23:29] <BUGabundo> disk mounted in read only :(
[23:29] <BUGabundo> rebooting and fscking :(
[23:30] <DanaG> I don't think I'd want my display to be transparent.
[23:30] <DanaG> Too much mess behind it.
[23:32] <Volkodav> where did shared folders go ?
[23:32] <len_> What problems is having vga16fb loaded at same time as nvidia module supposed to cause?  Or is the problem just that they won't both load at the same time?
[23:32] <Volkodav> to set up shares ?
[23:45] <jimerickson> when will gnome-shell be available in lucid?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> back
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I'm scared to even look at my disc
[23:50] <yofel> jimerickson: 2.28.1~git20091125-1 is available in lucid
[23:50] <len_> OK, I went back and tested nvidia with and without vga16fb loaded, and it made no difference either way.
[23:52] <jimerickson> yofel: but it won't install for me because of libgjs0
[23:55] <yofel> jimerickson: then make sure there already is a bug filed about that on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell and file one with 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell' if that's not the case. There's already a sync bug for 2.29 though
[23:55] <jimerickson> yofel: ok will do thanks alot
[23:57] <m0ar> *-16-generic will ONLY match things that END with -16-generic, right?


[00:00] <GeekDude> I like to use gnome-disk-imager to write my flash drives
[00:00] <GeekDude> That's what I used, and it worked without a hitch
[00:04] <detoya> I was here a couple days ago asking about issues with xubuntu.  I'm glad to say most of the issues I had on 14.04 appear to be resolved.  However 16.04 is less stable on my hardware (Vaio SV-series i5 3210M IGP)  The issues are: The text console locks up which is a serious problem, and same as in 14.04 the indicator plugin / notification area still loses app icons, this from a clean install.
[00:05] <detoya> New to 16.04, xdotool segfaults if used in tightvncserver, so if you are looking to do x automation you will be out of luck.
[00:06] <detoya> New to 16.04, xdotool segfaults if used in tightvncserver, so if you are looking to do x automation you will be out of luck.  It may work in NX or xpra, or manye vnc4server or xnest... didn't test those.
[00:06] <detoya> New to 16.04, xdotool segfaults if used in tightvncserver, so if you are looking to do x automation you will be out of luck.  It may work in NX or xpra, or vnc4server or xnest... didn't test those.
[00:07] <detoya> overall it feels more responsive, boots faster, looks prettier, theme support and GTK3 support seem vastly improved.
[00:11] <detoya> for the love of god don't try to upgrade to 16.04 via apt-get dist-upgrade method.  Your machine will not boot properly.  Moving from upstart to systemd made dist-upgrade incompatible for this release.
[00:12] <xubuntu51w> I've tried dd and unetbootin. I'll give gnome-disk-imager a shot
[00:12] <detoya> you trying to make a bootable flash from an image?
[00:13] <xubuntu51w> yep
[00:13] <detoya> if dd didn't work you could try usb-creator
[00:13] <detoya> it's been removed from the new ubuntu but previous versions had it.
[00:14] <detoya> it will do an install to the USB drive then you can boot from it as a normal boot drive
[00:14] <detoya> from there your options are unlimited :-)
[00:15] <detoya> in my experience, dd just works.  if your machine fails to boot from it with a UEFI BIOS it's probably because it's not looking for a USB boot device at all.
[00:16] <detoya> so try to find your early boot menu ,usually esc or F9
[00:24] <xubuntu51w> Booting isn't the issue.
[00:24] <xubuntu51w> I can boot into the drive just fine, but xubuntu fails
[00:24] <xubuntu51w> it won't install, it won't load live mode anymore, etc.
[00:25] <xubuntu51w> I'm going to copy the error that appears
[00:27] <GeekDude> Sorry, it's gnome-disk-utility
[00:27] <GeekDude> Slip of the fingers
[00:28] <GeekDude> But yeah, dd should work
[00:28] <GeekDude> You should checksum your iso file and make sure it's correct
[00:30] <xubuntu51w> What do you mean by correct?
[00:30] <xubuntu51w> I got it directly from the xubuntu website
[00:32] <David-A> xubuntu51w: to rule out transmission error (if you used torrent and got the torrent from the xubuntu site, then it contains and checks sums automatically)
[00:33] <krytarik> !md5sum
[00:44] <xubuntu51w> Thanks for your help everyone. I'll try these things soon
[07:35] <xubuntu25w> good morning everybody
[07:35] <xubuntu25w> I updated xubuntu 14.04 LTS today and two fingers scrolling stopped to work
[07:36] <xubuntu25w> the option disappears also in the settings panel
[09:38] <nikolam> Why NTF share mounted with 'mount ip-address:/remotepath/dir /localpath/dir' can be umounted without pkill Thunar?
[09:38] <nikolam> NFS
[09:39] <nikolam> can not be unmounted
[10:10] <tyrog> Hi all. Can I customize Xubuntu's screensaver to look like something different?
[10:10] <tyrog> Instead of showing only black screen?
[10:18] <akxwi-dave> tyrog, You will have to install xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver to do that
[10:32] <tyrog> akxwi-dave: Can't do that by default? How do I set those screensavers instead of the default one?
[10:42] <akxwi-dave> unfortunatly for the last few releases there hasn't been any screensaver settings installed apart from the default one.  To change it you will need one of the above.
[11:02] <tyrog> akxwi-dave: I see, tnx :)
[11:07] <tyrog> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1568604 Does anyone also face this bug here?
[11:58] <Adelmo> good morning
[12:00] <Adelmo> after installing TeamViewer 11 and run it does not open
[12:01] <Adelmo> in xubuntu 16.04
[12:04] <Adelmo> install teamviewer_11.0.57095_i386.deb
[12:04] <Adelmo> after installing TeamViewer 11 and run it does not open
[12:43] <[diablo]> Afternoon #xubuntu
[12:44] <[diablo]> guys I've got 2 x monitors, and I'd like the upper panel to appear on the right monitor, not the left...
[12:44] <[diablo]> is this possible please?
[12:44] <Adelmo> ok
[12:45] <[diablo]> oh found it
[12:45] <[diablo]> stupid me :)
[12:45] <[diablo]> sorry
[13:27] <[diablo]> back again... guys with 16.04, my Radeon HD 6350 is shearing when moving windows around the screen... anyone know how to enable the v-sync please?
[14:11] <xubuntu14w> Tried to install X Ubuntu 16.04.  From CD minimal and DVD full and it installs but when you get to the point of restarting the system for the first start up all I get is a blank screen.  Any ideas on what I did wrong?
[14:25] <Mr> Hey, I have got a g-sync laptop but there is not g-sync option in nvidia-settings. Has anyone have had experience with this? I am using no compositor/ have disabled the compositor on xubuntu
[20:18] <xubuntu83w> Hi. Is there a reason why ruby is installed when I install vim?
[20:18] <xubuntu83w> was not the case befoe
[20:18] <xubuntu83w> before
[20:20] <Pici> xubuntu83w: because vim depends on libruby now.
[20:21] <Pici> for ruby scripting support, I would assume.  It also has always depended on libpython for python scripting support, but you pretty much always have that installed alreadyy.
[20:29] <buu> Alright
[20:29] <buu> What magic incantations do I need to make my networking restart with my edited settings?
[20:30] <buu> network-manager
[20:30] <buu> Brilliant
[20:37] <Unit193> buu: Generally 'sudo systemctl restart network-manager' if you want to restart NM.
[20:37] <buu> thanks
[20:37] <buu> Now for the next trick, how do I change the dpi?
[21:20] <GeekDude> I've been testing the latest LTS desktop release and it seems fairly alright so far. However, there's so much extra padding everywhere! In the context menus for the indicator plugin, in the menu bar on mousepad, and I'm sure it's in other places I haven't noticed. Is there a way I can make it go away?
[21:25] <GeekDude> hmm, seems to be a numix thing
[22:35] <GeekDude> It looks like mousepad is doing something weird too that makes it not work with xfce4-topmenu-plugin


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[03:20]  * snap-l is making promos
[16:31] <snap-l> Good morning / afternoon
[20:56] <greg-g> rick_h_: you used your kinesis lately?
[20:56] <greg-g> I'm -><- that close to ordering one today
[20:57] <greg-g> (the advantage)
[20:57] <greg-g> just making sure it works well for vim users :)
[20:57] <greg-g> (my other two buddies who have one are emacs)
[21:00] <brousch> kinesis sounds like an exercise machine
[21:10] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I did swap out to the unicomp a little bit last week just for variety
[21:10] <rick_h_> but it's all good for vim usage, and the hardware config is so awesome
[21:14] <rick_h_> this is crazy...I want to move to portland!
[21:17] <greg-g> wait, portland, where did that come from?
[21:20] <rick_h_> greg-g: because it's not 88 degrees there
[21:20] <rick_h_> I have a secret dream to move out NW so I can never have hot days again
[21:23] <greg-g> ahh, hah
[21:24] <greg-g> rick_h_: SF/MV?
[21:24] <greg-g> ;)
[21:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: hah, not sure I could take that much tech crazy :P
[21:25] <rick_h_> but that's for 20yrs from now, so maybe it'll be all ex tech by then lol
[21:26] <brousch> we went to a kite festival at the beach today. absolutely perfect
[21:27] <brousch> could even swim
[21:30] <greg-g> :)
[21:36] <rick_h_> we were up at traverse city...COOOOOLD water
[21:36] <rick_h_> but the boys still went nuts in it
[21:48] <snap-l> Actually, I think rick_h_ wants a bunker in MOntana
[21:50] <greg-g> that's my dream
[21:50] <greg-g> or just a cabin in some secluded valley
[21:50] <greg-g> with fiber
[21:50] <greg-g> of course
[21:51] <rick_h_> that's the trouble isn't it
[21:51] <rick_h_> I do like my coffee shop and my high speed and 4g
[21:51] <rick_h_> greg-g: does the bookie preview thing work for you atm?
[21:51] <rick_h_> greg-g: when you go to save a new bookmark, didn't we get that working?
[21:54] <brousch> not enough good places to eat in the wilderness
[21:54] <greg-g> rick_h_: it did, lemme check
[21:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: thanks, appreciate it. Don't know why I tried it but failing to load some JS for me here but it's really strange
[21:55] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, worked, even on a weird site (see my last bookmark)
[21:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: ok, will look at it more, but less urgency if it's just me
[21:55] <greg-g> yeah :)
[22:09] <brousch> hm, what does poison ivy infection look like?
[22:24] <greg-g> brousch: give me a pic and I'll confirm, I've had it a ton in my life
[22:24] <brousch> i don't think it will show up. tiny little clear bumps
[22:24] <greg-g> so bad once I had to get a steriod shot
[22:24] <greg-g> yeah, and the liquid inside is fairly clear,right?
[22:25] <brousch> i think so
[22:25] <greg-g> probably then
[22:29] <brousch> must've gotten it when i weed-whacked the entire back yard jungle
[23:31] <rick_h_> man, we partied the weekend with friends of my wife and their 2yr old (2wk older than Michael) and I have to say we've got it so easy and I love this little guy to death
[23:49] <snap-l> rick_h_: You've been great parents