[02:20] <hyperair> meh, unity-music-daemon is screwing banshee over by locking it out of its own database again.
[05:01] <fginther> Saviq, \o/
[07:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there?
[07:47] <tsdgeos> or anyone that wants to talk about our bug management policy
[07:58] <pete-woods> does anyone know what happens to the Greeter process under Mir when the shell has focus? is it suspended or something? (it seems like the infographics client doesn't receive dbus signals any more)
[07:59] <tsdgeos> did we split the Greeter to a different process already?
[07:59] <tsdgeos> man i'm behind :D
[08:01] <pete-woods> we certainly have lightdm running, at least
[08:02] <tsdgeos> i'd say we did not
[08:02] <tsdgeos> but let's ask more people
[08:02] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: is the greeter already split?
[08:03] <pete-woods> I remember mterry had a branch to do it, perhaps it's not already split
[08:03] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: no. afaik that won't happen
[08:03] <mzanetti> for 1.0
[08:03] <pete-woods> mzanetti: do you have any speculative reason why the greeter infographics can't receive dbus signals any more under Mir?
[08:03] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: then it should be still processing dbus since it's the shell itself
[08:04] <mzanetti> pete-woods: nope, no clue
[08:04] <pete-woods> that's what I''d have thought
[08:04] <pete-woods> okay, thanks guys
[08:07] <mzanetti> pete-woods: but since you're here
[08:07] <mzanetti> pete-woods: we suspenct a CPU hogging bug in the infographics
[08:08] <mzanetti> pete-woods: it seems to happen when something updates the infographic data.
[08:09] <mzanetti> pete-woods: but somehow I can't reproduce it with usermetricsinput tools. still it seems to happen when for example an sms comes in, or you take a picture with the camera
[08:09] <mzanetti> any idea if there is something different between how the usermetricsinput tool updates stuff and how the other sources do?
[08:14] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: ping
[08:14] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: pong
[08:14] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: morning!
[08:15] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: can you please test the fixed-qt package as described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1234603 and report back in the bug if it also works for you?
[08:15] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: sure
[08:16] <tsdgeos> great
[08:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, now
[08:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: was about what to do with a bug, talked with mzanetti and he agreed to set it back to incomplete and assign to the reported if i could not repro, so i did
[08:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yup, +q
[08:33] <Saviq> +1
[08:36] <Cimi> dednick, I'm on your branch
[08:37] <dednick> Cimi: cool
[08:37] <Cimi> dednick, finally you'd say :P
[08:37] <Cimi> dednick, sorry was concentrated in other bugs
[08:38] <dednick> yeah. about bloody time! ;)
[08:38] <Cimi> ahah
[09:15] <dednick> Cimi: WOO!
[09:17] <dednick> Saviq: I think we need an ask request for landing ubuntu-settings-components ?
[09:17] <Saviq> dednick, you *think*? ;)
[09:18] <Saviq> dednick, anything should land at the same time, or is that just a prep?
[09:18] <dednick> Saviq: well, that's what i was told. i dont know how this landing shizzle goes
[09:18] <dednick> Saviq: it's a prep.
[09:18] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, if we want a new release, we need to ask
[09:18] <Saviq> dednick, low risk, then, I assume
[09:18] <dednick> Saviq: this isnt in the archive yet though
[09:19] <Saviq> dednick, ah, is it packaged?
[09:19] <dednick> Saviq: um? it has packaging control.
[09:19] <dednick> as in dpkg-buildpackage works.
[09:19] <Cimi> dednick, god next branch is huge xD
[09:20] <Saviq> dednick, yup, that's it
[09:20] <dednick> Cimi: yeah :) it's mostly just moving the indicator files across. I was going to upload a diff of each file from unity8->ubuntu-settings-components
[09:21] <Cimi> dednick, don't worry
[09:21] <Cimi> dednick, it's qm not c++ :)
[09:21] <Saviq> dednick, there's no ci / autolanding on it either, yet?
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: i think there is.
[09:22] <Saviq> dednick, ah, of course..
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-settings-components-ci/
[09:22] <Saviq> dednick, so that will be used by unity8 and settings app?
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: although i dont think the qmltests tests are run
[09:23] <dednick> Saviq: yep
[09:23] <sil2100> dednick: is that a new package?
[09:23] <dednick> sil2100: yes
[09:23] <Saviq> dednick, right, the qmltests is a custom job we have for unity8
[09:23] <sil2100> dednick: do you want it to be daily-releasing?
[09:23] <dednick> sil2100: yup
[09:24] <Saviq> sil2100, added to landing asks, anything else we should be doing?
[09:24] <sil2100> Saviq, dednick: I think all is good now, we'll pick it up on the next meeting then
[09:25] <Saviq> sil2100, thanks
[09:25] <dednick> Cimi: maybe I should make a new branch with just moving the indicator files across so that we can see the changes i made ? Otherwise we may miss some things.
[09:25] <dednick> Cimi: because that diff doesnt really show anything
[09:28] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks!
[09:35] <Mirv> Saviq: you're welcome, regardless of which thing ;)
[09:35] <Saviq> Mirv, getting unity8 + notifications + i-network through :)
[09:36] <Mirv> Saviq: right, yes :)
[09:36] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: yay, your qt patch fixes the issue with reordering :)
[09:36] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: I'm going to add a comment
[09:36] <tsdgeos> good stuff
[09:37] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: I noticed some other issue though, not sure if it's related to this or my virtualbox being slow and using software gl -
[09:38] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: sometimes I see a lot of empty category headers below actual results
[09:38] <tsdgeos> that should not happen
[09:38] <Cimi> dednick, laughing at your example text :D
[09:38] <tsdgeos> don't think it has anything to do with your virualbox setup
[09:38] <dednick> Cimi: :)
[09:38] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: i wonder if it may be a similar bug in qsortfilterproxymodel
[09:39] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: i know there are more like the one i fixed, but did not hotfix them since I thought it wasn't needed
[09:39] <tsdgeos> how easy is for you to repo?
[09:39] <tsdgeos> repro
[09:40] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: very easy. and it corrects itself on new search
[09:40] <tsdgeos> :/
[09:40] <tsdgeos> ok, let me see if i can get it here
[09:41] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: and on related stuff, I just managed to get "search" entry displayed in the middle of the screen, and it stayed there till I clicked 'Search' on the top bar
[09:42] <tsdgeos> screenshot?
[09:47] <Saviq> greyback, mzanetti, tsdgeos, we need to create a ap-suites-under-mir taskforce, can you drop whatever you're working on?
[09:47] <greyback> *smash*
[09:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i guess i can yes
[09:48] <mzanetti> mhm...
[09:48] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: sorry :D
[09:48] <Saviq> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/4541/
[09:49] <pstolowski> tsdgeos: :) I'll just report bugs
[09:49] <Saviq> there's a list of suites - we need to run them under Mir and report any bugs found with the tests / crashes of the apps / unity8
[09:49] <Saviq> greyback, can you do a scratchpad?
[09:49] <Cimi> Saviq, released? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1231951
[09:49] <greyback> sure
[09:49] <Saviq> Cimi, yes
[09:50] <greyback> http://studio.sketchpad.cc/uRlqdixl3G
[09:50] <Saviq> Cimi, or well, not in saucy yet, is there in -proposed
[09:50] <Saviq> Cimi, not sure if that counts as "released"
[09:54] <Saviq> mzanetti, ↑↑
[09:54] <dednick> Cimi: here is the MP with only moving files from unity8. https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/indicator-move/+merge/189248
[09:55] <Cimi> dednick, better
[09:55] <Cimi> dednick, shall I comment on API?
[09:56] <Cimi> dednick, I'm seeing (have to look at what it does)
[09:56] <Cimi> dednick, 'activate' signal
[09:56] <dednick> Cimi: yeah, can do
[09:56] <Cimi> I think we were using activated
[09:56] <Cimi> like pressed, clicked, checked
[09:58] <Cimi> Saviq, what you think? ^^
[09:58] <Saviq> Cimi, generally yes, signals are -ed, not -e
[09:59] <dednick> Cimi: for some items there is a difference between click and activate. sometimes activate means that you have clicked on an icon within the item rather than the item itself, which opens the app rather than expanding the item.
[09:59] <Cimi> dednick, ok, so please have a look
[09:59] <Cimi> dednick, since you know the code and what it does
[09:59] <dednick> dednick: but it depends on the menu obviosuly. i think it only applies to the Message Menus.
[10:00] <Cimi> dednick, change API if you think
[10:00] <dednick> Cimi: ok, will do
[10:00] <Cimi> dednick, and we'll trust you
[10:00] <Cimi> dednick, you don't have to ping yourself :P
[10:06] <dednick> lol
[10:07] <mzanetti> Saviq: are we actually supposed to make the image writable and install the auopilot packages?
[10:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes
[10:07] <mzanetti> Saviq: iirc they wanted to convert everything to click
[10:07] <dednick> Cimi: ok, so the changes to the menus for indicators are now at lp:~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/indicators-changes
[10:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, or well
[10:07] <mzanetti> no?
[10:07] <dednick> Cimi: the old MPs are invalid
[10:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, or well, there's phablet-click-test-setup
[10:08] <Saviq> mzanetti, so we should probably use that
[10:08] <Saviq> greyback, tsdgeos ↑↑
[10:08]  * tsdgeos got lost
[10:08] <mzanetti> what's the argument for  --click?
[10:08] <greyback> Saviq: so don't mark image writeable, use that instead?
[10:09] <tsdgeos> but then can't dist-upgrade
[10:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, dunno yet
[10:10] <Saviq> greyback, if possible - yeah, we should not rw the image...
[10:10] <tsdgeos> hmmmm
[10:10] <tsdgeos> it's been two times today that i do
[10:10] <tsdgeos> reboot
[10:10] <tsdgeos> and the phone does not come back to life
[10:10]  * greyback pulls latest devel image
[10:11] <dednick> Cimi: and the tests are at lp:~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/indicators-tests
[10:11] <dednick> Cimi: have fun! :)
[10:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, greyback, mzanetti so - not all are yet click-converted (e.g. calendar is not), so no way to not-rw the image in that case
[10:12] <mzanetti> Saviq: how do you know which ones?
[10:13] <mzanetti> do you check out the package's code?
[10:13]  * greyback stops pulling lateste devel image
[10:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, apt
[10:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, and just look in ~/.local/share/applications
[10:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, if there's a .desktop file for your app there - it's a click
[10:13] <mzanetti> mhm... but I don't see them in /opt/click...
[10:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, they may be not installed there if they're shipped with device, I think
[10:15] <dednick> Saviq: how can i get the custom qmltest job to run with the ubuntu-settings-components ci?
[10:16] <Saviq> dednick, you need to ask fginther nicely
[10:16] <dednick> Saviq: ah :)
[10:16] <Saviq> dednick, or better yet, come up with a way to run them inside mediumtests
[10:16] <Saviq> dednick, so we'd need to package them etc.
[10:16] <dednick> Saviq: hm. i c
[10:17] <Saviq> dednick, and then unity8 ones are using different mocks all over - and all that's only available in our CMakeLists.txt files...
[10:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'm actually seeing similar dead-phone - not even adb is working (although TCP/IP seems to)
[10:18] <mzanetti> dednick: not entirely sure what you're talking about, but jenkins runs ./runtests.sh for qmltests... depending on what you want to achieve you might be able to hook stuff up in there
[10:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i used the power button to power cycle it
[10:18] <tsdgeos> goes back to "charging"
[10:18] <tsdgeos> and then boots
[10:18] <mzanetti> Saviq: tsdgeos: I see that regularly during flashing. need to restart flashing when it happens
[10:19] <tsdgeos> Saviq: seems as if something did not shutdown properly
[10:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[10:19] <dednick> mzanetti: ah. i c
[10:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, but the deal is dednick needs that for a different project...
[10:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, dednick but yeah - that's a starting point
[10:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: dednick: ah... well, if there is not ./runtests script, it falls back on executing make qmltests iirc
[10:20] <mzanetti> but I guess just to copy the job for another project requires admin rights in jenkins
[10:21] <mzanetti> dednick: what's the name?
[10:21] <dednick> right. i think the runtests just sorts out coverage xml.
[10:21] <dednick> mzanetti: ubuntu-settings-components
[10:27] <om26er> Cimi, hey! you changed the Dash plugins renderer but when a scope is tapped we still see Ubuntu Shape there, desired ?
[10:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos, greyback, moving to: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApRxJIi-SaMddEdtdWtMaXNkMzYtN2puZ2YxdU9MekE#gid=0 at lool's request
[10:33] <Cimi> om26er, yeah
[10:33] <Cimi> om26er, like, we need a pressed state
[10:33] <Cimi> om26er, I expect it to change maybe later
[10:33] <Cimi> om26er, it's not ideal
[10:34] <om26er> Cimi, ack. looked a little weird to me as well.
[10:34] <om26er> tsdgeos, hey! Unity8 hangs (using Mir) when I expand the 'More suggestions'
[10:35] <om26er> tsdgeos, talking about 7.82+13.10.20131004.1-0ubuntu1
[10:35] <tsdgeos> om26er: define "hangs"
[10:35] <tsdgeos> stays there dead forever?
[10:35] <om26er> tsdgeos, yep and after 20seconds crashes fully.
[10:36] <tsdgeos> that is weird
[10:36] <om26er> i.e. nothing visible on screen and need to restart the device for unity8 to appear again
[10:36] <mzanetti> it probably crashes immediately but it's just busy dumping core traces
[10:36] <mzanetti> om26er: check out the apport files in /var/crash
[10:41] <om26er> currently its busy eating the CPU (100%) waiting for it to crash
[10:42] <om26er> Its simple to reproduce though. Expand a category lets say 'Installed' then contract it
[10:43] <tsdgeos> i'll try in a few mins
[10:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i should open a bug for the "reboot does not work", but against what?
[10:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, good question..
[10:44] <tsdgeos> or just shout it in #ubuntu-touch and hope someone picks it up :D
[10:46] <om26er> use 'adb reboot' for now :)
[10:47] <mzanetti> for me the screen goes off during the test suite and won't wake up any more until I reboot the device
[10:50] <tsdgeos> shake your device so it does not suspend?
[10:50] <tsdgeos> seems ot work here
[10:52] <tsdgeos> om26er: "more suggestions" where? in apps?
[10:52] <om26er> tsdgeos, yes
[10:52] <om26er> tsdgeos, I am using mako with Mir
[10:53] <tsdgeos> as always
[10:53] <tsdgeos> works here :D
[10:53] <tsdgeos> :'(
[10:55] <om26er> tsdgeos, hmm, I am using the latest image from saucy-proposed with latest unity8
[10:55] <tsdgeos> om26er: though i am not in the version you say
[10:55] <tsdgeos> i'm in the previous one
[10:56] <om26er> tsdgeos, probably you need to: phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel saucy-proposed then
[10:56]  * tsdgeos is fed up with so many different channels
[10:56] <tsdgeos> devel-proposed != saucy-proposed
[10:56] <tsdgeos> ...
[10:57] <tsdgeos> om26er: anyway i've been called to a different thing, so please find the crash files as mzanetti said and file a bug so we don't forget
[10:57] <om26er> tsdgeos, cat /etc/media-info ?
[10:57] <om26er> I get: Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (development branch) - armhf (20131003.2)
[10:57] <tsdgeos> that's not what he said
 om26er: check out the apport files in /var/crash
[10:58]  * mzanetti doesn't understand how any tests can pass at all
[10:58] <om26er> tsdgeos, yeah, there was nothing there
[10:58]  * mzanetti probably has the wrong image
[10:58] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:58] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: what did you flash?
[10:58] <tsdgeos> devel-proposed
[10:58] <om26er> because unity8 is still hanged and using 177% of the cpu :p
[10:58] <mzanetti> same here
[10:58] <om26er> then I rebooted
[10:58] <tsdgeos> i was told we are supposed to use that
[10:58] <tsdgeos> a week ago
[10:58] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: but there is no input at all. the screen turns off during tests
[10:58] <tsdgeos> maybe it's not correct anymore :D
[10:59] <mzanetti> I just don't see how any tests could pass
[10:59] <mzanetti> weather-app fails 100%
[10:59] <mzanetti> ofc
[10:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you unlocked the greeter, right?
[10:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yeah... still, the screen darkens while runnign tests
[10:59] <mzanetti> turns of.
[10:59] <tsdgeos> shake the device?
[10:59] <tsdgeos> works for me :D
[10:59] <mzanetti> and worst of all, I can't turn it on again
[10:59] <mzanetti> have to reboot
[11:00] <tsdgeos> want me to try the ubuntu-weather-app-autopilot here?
[11:00] <mzanetti> yeah
[11:00]  * tsdgeos tries
[11:01] <Saviq> greyback, mzanetti tsdgeos is your shell slowing down *AS HELL* after running a suite?
[11:01] <Saviq> top is silent
[11:01] <tsdgeos> haven't really noticed
[11:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: after... haha... If I would reach that state I'd be happy
[11:02] <Saviq> IO is silent
[11:03] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it's running fine (it seems) i don't even need to shake the phone
[11:03] <tsdgeos> Ran 13 tests in 132.686s
[11:03] <tsdgeos> FAILED (failures=3)
[11:03] <mzanetti> that's the same as on SF for me
[11:03] <mzanetti> but with mir it's just completely broken
[11:03] <tsdgeos> :/
[11:03] <tsdgeos> i'm running mir
[11:03] <tsdgeos> i just double checked
[11:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: and yes, the shell is ultra slow
[11:04] <mzanetti> do I need to do something special? like giving permissions on input devices or the like?
[11:04] <tsdgeos> Saviq: how do you check io?
[11:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, iotop
[11:04] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i did nothing special
[11:04] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ah, so you installed it
[11:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and well, "wa" in top shows who's waiting
[11:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, I'm cheating
[11:04] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: did you use click or apt?
[11:04] <mzanetti> apt
[11:05] <mzanetti> can't find any click packages except for some webapps
[11:05] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:05] <tsdgeos> then we have the same setup :S
[11:05] <mzanetti> I use the Galaxy Nexus tho
[11:06] <tsdgeos> righ
[11:06] <tsdgeos> t
[11:06] <mzanetti> anyone else with a Galaxy Nexus running those ap tests?
[11:06] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mzanetti: so for that 3 tests that fail in SF the same as in Mir what do we do, file the bugs anyway, right?
[11:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, what does http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/ say?
[11:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but yeah
[11:08] <mzanetti> says timeout for me :D
[11:08] <mzanetti> wth is wrong here...
[11:09] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: so my faiulres are ubuntu_weather_app.tests.test_settings.TestSettings.test_switch_precipitation_scale, ubuntu_weather_app.tests.test_settings.TestSettings.test_switch_scale_cancel and ubuntu_weather_app.tests.test_settings.TestSettings.test_switch_wind_scale
[11:10] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: same there?
[11:10] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: dunno... I didn't keep the SF log... but it was 3 failures too. so I assume yes
[11:10] <tsdgeos> ok, let me try it, no need to spread wrong info :D
[11:13] <tsdgeos> there's a bug about this already with a branch scheduled for release
[11:13] <tsdgeos> next!
[11:17] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[11:18] <tsdgeos> any clue how do i get dropping-letters-app-autopilot ?
[11:18] <tsdgeos> seems to be a click package?
[11:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑↑↑
[11:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, phablet-click-test-setup
[11:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but I'm not entirely sure what next...
[11:20] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[11:20] <tsdgeos> i can't even find where is phablet-click-test-setup :D
[11:20] <tsdgeos> ah got it
[11:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, on your host
[11:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not on device, that is
[11:22] <tsdgeos> yeah
[11:22] <tsdgeos> still
[11:22] <tsdgeos> phablet-click-test-setup --click dropping-letters-app
[11:22] <tsdgeos> doesn't seem to give me the autopilot for it
[11:23] <tsdgeos> just unity8 and ubuntuuitoolkit
[11:23] <tsdgeos> :(
[11:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think you need more
[11:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, like the whole .desktop file name
[11:23] <Saviq> without the extension
[11:23] <tsdgeos> com.ubuntu.dropping-letters_dropping-letters_<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:23] <tsdgeos> ?¿
[11:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[11:24] <tsdgeos> let's see
[11:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, or try dropping the parts after _
[11:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, something like that should maybe work
[11:25] <tsdgeos> yep
[11:25] <tsdgeos> dropping after _ seems to have worked
[11:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, got anywhere?
[11:30] <greyback> Saviq: slow as hell, yes. unity8 now using 33% memory and >20% CPU doing nothing
[11:30] <mzanetti> I just reflashed and made it writable again... we'll see
[11:30] <Saviq> greyback, that's different, my CPU was idle
[11:31] <Saviq> greyback, that's new, isn't it?
[11:31] <greyback> Saviq: new to me, yes
[11:31] <Saviq> greyback, bug #1235190 by gema
[11:32] <greyback> Saviq: can you get dbgsym package for latest unity8 from the ddeb repo?
[11:32] <Saviq> greyback, not yet
[11:32] <Saviq> greyback, didn't get published yet
[11:33] <tsdgeos> sil2100: is the dropping app yours?
[11:33] <greyback> Saviq: ok. I want to attach to it and see what's going on
[11:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think it's aquarius's
[11:34] <tsdgeos> the autopilot tests don't even start in SF either
[11:34] <tsdgeos> i wonder if i'm doing something horribly wrong
[11:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you set PYTHONPATH?
[11:35] <tsdgeos> no
[11:35] <tsdgeos> do i need it?
[11:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, PYTHONPATH=~phablet/autopilot autopilot list dropping_letters
[11:35] <tsdgeos> well i can juts cd in tehre, no?
[11:35] <tsdgeos> i'll try anyway to see if it does something different
[11:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, does it list the tests?
[11:36] <tsdgeos> sure
[11:36] <Saviq> tvoss, you're on holidays, go away
[11:36] <tsdgeos> i mean it does run then
[11:36] <tsdgeos> just does nothing
[11:36] <sil2100> tsdgeos: what what? ;)
[11:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah that's different, then it probably can't launch the app
[11:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it can
[11:36] <mzanetti> Saviq: nope, not working for me at all on the Galaxy Nexus
[11:36] <tsdgeos> but it can't find it
[11:36] <tsdgeos> or something like that
[11:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah
[11:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, I think psivaa's got the same issue
[11:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6191837/
[11:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, check with him in -ci-eng or somewhere, please?
[11:37]  * greyback going for lunch, moving to office, bbiab
[11:38] <tsdgeos> initctl: Unknown instance: com.ubuntu.dropping-letters_dropping-letters_<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right - can you look through the log of http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/4542/dropping-letters-app-autopilot/
[11:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, to see if you're doing something different
[11:40] <tsdgeos> Running command: autopilot-list dropping_letters_app
[11:40] <tsdgeos> autopilot-list is not a command :-S
[11:42] <seb128> hey guys
[11:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: besides that and assumint autopilot-list is "autopilot list"
[11:42] <seb128> what is displaying the indicator "titles" for unity8?
[11:42] <tsdgeos> i can't see the difference :-/
[11:42] <seb128> is that known that they don't use translations?
[11:43] <seb128> e.g the tab bar with Battery Sound Messaging Location etc
[11:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[11:43] <Saviq> seb128, they do now
[11:44] <seb128> Saviq, "now"? (I'm testing on 80, e.g the current image)
[11:44] <Saviq> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1223635
[11:44] <seb128> Saviq, was that fixed today?
[11:44] <Saviq> seb128, yeah, released today
[11:44] <seb128> Saviq, I see, let me upgrade
[11:44] <Saviq> seb128, I saw translated titles on my desktop, at least - not on the device, though
[11:45] <seb128> Saviq, the device has no langpacks, I'm playing with that to see how things would like if installed a few
[11:45] <seb128> Saviq, I've the content of the indicators showing translated, but not the header
[11:46] <Saviq> seb128, right
[11:46] <seb128> Saviq, yeah, translated hearders \o/
[11:46] <seb128> Saviq, thanks
[11:56] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: Saviq: as I don't really seem to be a big use with my maguro device I would run all the test suites on SF in order for you to compare failures (to see if mir-related or testsuite related)
[11:57] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it's also good if you help me find how to run the dropping-letters-app-autopilot tests :D
[11:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, plesae do
[11:57] <tsdgeos> up to now i've discovered
[11:57] <Saviq> yeah, or that
[11:57] <tsdgeos> phablet-click-test-setup --click com.ubuntu.dropping-letters
[11:57] <tsdgeos> in the pc
[11:57] <tsdgeos> then in the device
[11:57] <tsdgeos> cd autopilot
[11:57] <tsdgeos> and
[11:57] <tsdgeos> autopilot run dropping_letters_app
[11:58] <tsdgeos> that ought to be it
[11:58] <tsdgeos> but seems autopilot can't find itself on the dbus
[11:58] <tsdgeos> or something
[11:58] <tsdgeos> i'm getting
[11:58] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6191920/
[11:58] <tsdgeos> lunch time, back later!
[11:58] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: tell me something if you find something
[11:58] <mzanetti> is dropping letters actually a core app we ship preinstalled?
[11:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, shall I take over weather app then?
[11:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes
[11:59] <mzanetti> Saviq: the weather app is done by tsdgeos already
[11:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i did the weather app, same errors in SF than in Mir
[11:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mzanettik
[12:00] <tsdgeos> alert, lunch is late today, i'll die of hunger
[12:00]  * tsdgeos goes back to work
[12:16] <om26er> bug 1235215
[12:16] <om26er> ^ or any app for that matter.
[12:18] <tsdgeos> does anyone know how to make qmlscene load/launch the autopilot extensions?
[12:18] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ↑↑ ?
[12:19] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: export QT_LOAD_TESTABILITY
[12:19] <mzanetti> =1
[12:19] <davmor2> om26er: only if the part of the app under the button is interactive
[12:20] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: may it be that that is not working?
[12:20] <davmor2> om26er: I was just looking at that this morning and was gonna try it in a bit at lunch see if the updated version fixed it :)
[12:21] <davmor2> obviously not
[12:21] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: it works if I manually export it and start qmlscene
[12:21] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: but the app is started to upstart apparently
[12:21] <tsdgeos> from what i can see the app is launched, we detect correctly the pid it was launched under but can't find a dbus that matches to that pid
[12:21] <tsdgeos> it is
[12:21] <tsdgeos> upstart ignores all that?
[12:21] <tsdgeos> may be
[12:21] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: no... upstart should be fine too
[12:22] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: but I think it's also ran in apparmor
[12:22] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[12:22] <tsdgeos> the environment says it's there
[12:22] <om26er> davmor2, more are coming ;)
[12:22] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6191994/
[12:22] <tsdgeos> a bit long
[12:22] <tsdgeos> but QT_LOAD_TESTABILITY=1 is there
[12:23] <davmor2> om26er: it's just not a challenge to be honest ;)
[12:23] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: any chance we can look at the jobs that are running this on the servers to see exactly what they do?
[12:24] <tsdgeos> you won't happen to know where that lives, right?
[12:24] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: currently searching
[12:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: /userdata/user-data/phablet/.cache/upstart/application-click-com.ubuntu.dropping-letters_dropping-letters_<IP_ADDRESS>.log
[12:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: it loads testability
[12:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: but there are some dbus errors
[12:26] <tsdgeos> yep
[12:27] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: interesting thing that also HUD won't work as it seems
[12:27] <tsdgeos> ** (process:7650): WARNING **: Unable to add sources: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied:
[12:27] <tsdgeos> ?
[12:28] <tsdgeos> lunch's now done
[12:28] <tsdgeos> bbl
[12:42] <Saviq> greyback, dbgsym for unity8 are up
[12:42] <greyback> Saviq: thanks
[13:11] <om26er> charles, I connect bluetooth to my car but the track does not play. The car screen says unsupported device but I was playing things with android from the same phone. Thoughts ?
[13:15] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: any luck with teh dropping letters thing?
[13:17] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: nope
[13:18] <tsdgeos> :/
[13:19] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i think i'm going to switch to a new one, not sure it's worth spending so much time stuck here
[13:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes, do
[13:19] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I think autopilot + apparmor is not ready for prime time yet
[13:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, well, they do run them somehow, we are probably just missing something ;)
[13:19] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do they shutdown apparmour?
[13:20] <tsdgeos> anyway
[13:20] <tsdgeos> i'm continuin
[13:20] <tsdgeos> g
[13:37] <om26er> mhr3_, regarding grooveshark scope. It opens the desktop version of the website which is pretty much not usable on the phone. We need to open the html5 version of the site.
[13:37] <mhr3_> thostr_1, ^ :)
[13:37] <thostr_1> mhr3_: didn't we conclude that earlier? :)
[13:38] <mhr3_> at least i'm not the only one who actually tries things :)
[13:38] <mhr3_> om26er restored my faith in humanity
[13:38] <om26er> hah!
[13:39] <om26er> mhr3_, btw there are a number of video results returning in the scope that open desktop versions of websites like vodo
[13:40] <om26er> I am not sure if vodo even have a touch version. wouldn't we want to blacklist results from such sites
[13:40] <mhr3_> it's one of few sites from which you can actually *play* videos
[13:41] <mterry> dednick, can you fill in your part of the notes?
[13:41] <mterry> dednick, I just lost connectivity
[13:41] <dednick> mterry: sure
[13:41] <mterry> dednick, can you fill in your part of the notes?
[13:41] <mterry> dednick, I lost my connection
[13:41] <dednick> mterry: yup
[13:42] <Cimi> dednick, doesn't look 100% refined
[13:42] <dednick> Cimi: ?
[13:42] <Cimi> dednick, visually
[13:42] <Cimi> dednick, I think we need more gaps sometimes
[13:43] <Cimi> dednick, that's why I had the base class as well
[13:43] <Cimi> dednick, so I was adding padding to all items
[13:43] <dednick> Cimi: it's not. i've got to make a common component which we can derive from so we can get everything looking the same. The ListItem is too restrictive.
[13:43] <Cimi> dednick, yeah
[13:44] <Cimi> dednick, why did you remove the BasicMenu then?
[13:44] <dednick> Cimi: yeah, well at that time it was causing issues. but i'll add it back later.
[13:44] <Saviq> olli, btw, I've nothing in my calendar, you sure you invited me?
[13:44] <Cimi> dednick, so I don't want to stop the development
[13:45] <Cimi> dednick, It works… code seems almost all right
[13:45] <Cimi> dednick, we can refine later I'd say
[13:45] <olli> Saviq, yes
[13:45] <olli> refresh?
[13:45] <pete-woods> greyback: hi, have you got any time to talk about the unity window stack API?
[13:45] <dednick> Cimi: yeah, it's no worse than what we have currently.
[13:45] <Saviq> olli, right, there in google, not over caldav
[13:45] <greyback> pete-woods: I can make time
[13:45] <pete-woods> impressive
[13:45] <olli> Saviq, sorry
[13:45] <Saviq> olli, not your fault :)
[13:46] <greyback> pete-woods: yeah, pretty handy :)
[13:46] <pete-woods> greyback: basically, I'm going to make HUD talk to the new API, instead of BAMF
[13:46] <greyback> pete-woods: wanna mumble or something?
[13:46] <pete-woods> greyback: I'm happy with hangout/mumble
[13:47] <olli> Saviq, lool said mzanetti has a fix for the upa issue, will this fix music-app-AP * webbrowser?
[13:47] <olli> mzanetti, ^
[13:47] <Saviq> olli, yes
[13:47] <olli> bene
[13:47] <Saviq> olli, everything on maguro
[13:47] <olli> so it's down to the key input fka vol up/down
[13:47] <Saviq> olli, yup
[13:47] <olli> dandrader, it's all up to you now
[13:47] <Saviq> olli, webbrowser I still have to run webbrowser on a clean 80
[13:47] <dednick> Cimi: fyi, i've updated the indicator-changed branch. the APIs have changed. renamed signals and such. Mostly uses the triggered signal from SDK components now.
[13:48] <Cimi> dednick, I've seen
[13:48] <Saviq> ♩ under pressure ♩
[13:48] <pete-woods> greyback: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e31bb2355b9f7bad5d096659b72d44db68281885
[13:48] <Saviq> huh, that's a golf club, not a note!
[13:48] <Cimi> Saviq, just tuned in :D
[13:48] <Saviq> ♫ Under Pressure ♫
[13:48] <Saviq> now that's better
[13:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I got gallery app
[13:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sorry, didn't mark it so
[13:49] <Cimi> http://open.spotify.com/track/5R3VPUyabw6xw3CyAfIbqV
[13:49] <Cimi> hah
[13:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, already running
[13:49] <tsdgeos> ok
[13:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: then we're done
[13:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, can you do webbrowser
[13:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I can't seem to launch it at all
[13:49] <tsdgeos> sure, let's ee
[13:53] <kgunn> Saviq: curious, is the vol up/down bug gonna need a mir update? (api break?)....just thinking ahead to queue up the merges
[13:53] <kgunn> a kgunn paperwork productino
[13:53] <Saviq> kgunn, not sure yet, don't think a mirserver fix, rather a mir internal one
[13:53] <Saviq> kgunn, and/or something with the input devices again
[13:59] <om26er> tsdgeos, I reported that issue as bug 1235268 (I can consistently reproduce it) You also need to know the fact that this version of Unity8 is not yet in the image. It will however be in the next image
[13:59] <tsdgeos> om26er: tx
[14:05] <kgunn> mzanetti: i assume you'll have a chance to return to cpu pegging bugs (after fixing upa:)...so added you to this one
[14:05] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1234906
[14:05] <Saviq> olli, kgunn... surprise... it started working for me now...
[14:05] <kgunn> mzanetti: i see ricmm on there...but not sure if anything has been done
[14:05] <tsdgeos> Saviq: wow, webbrowser is 22 failed out of 36 :-S
[14:05] <olli> Saviq, define it
[14:06] <kgunn> Saviq: does a outline of Jesus appear in the screen :)
[14:06] <Saviq> olli, keyboard input from autopilot
[14:06] <olli> Saviq, it = 1234906?
[14:06] <olli> ah
[14:06] <olli> coolio
[14:06] <Saviq> tsdgeos, think it's cause bug 1234906
[14:07] <Cimi> dednick, you removed some stuff like icon for the user session menu...
[14:07] <tsdgeos> Saviq: really?
[14:07] <tsdgeos>  why?
[14:08] <mzanetti> kgunn: heh.. you sure I'm the one that should look into this ? :P
[14:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that sentence was missing a question mark
[14:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, (mine, that is)
[14:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: hmmm, i wouldn't think
[14:08] <tsdgeos> but may be
[14:08] <kgunn> mzanetti: its your punishment for doing good deeds :P
[14:12] <greyback> kgunn: mzanetti: I should have fixed bug 1234906 in trunk unity-mir
[14:13] <kgunn> greyback: cool i'll update the bug
[14:15] <mzanetti> greyback: just the fact that apps aren't stopped, or also the resulting 50% cpu?
[14:15] <greyback> mzanetti: fact that apps aren't stopped
[14:16] <mzanetti> hmm... so probably there's still more to it
[14:16] <kgunn> ah crap...ok
[14:17] <dednick> Cimi: it's using the icon from LisstItems.Standard
[14:21] <tsdgeos> om26er: the crash you're getting is with surfaceflinger or mir?
[14:21] <om26er> tsdgeos, Mir. I can try SF if you say
[14:22] <tsdgeos> om26er: if you have some time that'd help
[14:23] <tsdgeos> om26er: also if you remember it'd be good if you mention on the bug next time :-)
[14:23] <om26er> tsdgeos, ack
[14:24] <om26er> tsdgeos, happens on SurfaceFlinger as well
[14:25] <tsdgeos> om26er: good :-)
[14:25] <tsdgeos> i mean, equally bad
[14:25] <tsdgeos> that is good D:
[14:33] <tsdgeos> Saviq: webbbrowser stuff seems more like input problems or something
[14:33] <tsdgeos> when running the tests on SF i see it "types" into the url bar
[14:33] <tsdgeos> and in Mir i can't see that happening
[14:33] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what do i do, no open 22 bug about it, no? :D
[14:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, read the bug again ;)
[14:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, or well
[14:37] <Saviq> let me paste the correct bug,....
[14:37] <tsdgeos> ah
[14:37] <tsdgeos> that may help :D
[14:37] <Saviq> bug #1233245
[14:38] <Cimi> dednick, tests are from the shell or new ones?
[14:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: might be, looks like some input stuff yeah
[14:38] <tsdgeos> i think it tries to move the cursor or something
[14:38] <tsdgeos> and that may be failing
[14:42] <dednick> Cimi: new
[14:42] <Cimi> dednick, ok so they need review
[14:42] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1235215
[14:42] <kgunn> MacSlow: you on this one ^
[14:43] <MacSlow> kgunn, yes
[14:43] <MacSlow> kgunn, actually #1235215 and #1233411
[14:44] <MacSlow> kgunn, how's IRC on a phone? :)
[14:44] <kgunn> MacSlow: thanks this is the new #1 for mir being default....so queue "Under Pressure" by Queen/david bowie
[14:44] <kgunn> MacSlow: surpisingly good.... i actually heart verizon today (non-sarcastically)
[14:46] <kgunn> MacSlow: so on the #1235215....is it really only happening when mir is enabled ?
[14:47] <qengho> My ancient nvidia card is kind of terrible with nouveau. Can someone recommend a new PC video card that works really well? I'd like to support some vendor that contributes to Linux development, too.
[14:50] <davmor2> kgunn: you looking at my playlist again? bebababay bebababay berio that's okay
[14:51] <davmor2> kgunn: unanswerable call only happen on mir it interacts with the open app under it ignoring the call options in the layer above,  if you swipe the app out of the way it works fine :)
[14:53] <kgunn> davmor2: thanks...was wondering that, wondering if MacSlow needs help in unity-mir/mir
[14:53] <dandrader> Saviq, do you known what changes the volume according to the volume keys?
[14:54] <Saviq> dandrader, there's a handler in Shell.qml
[14:54] <Saviq> dandrader, that talks to the sound indicator
[14:56] <dandrader> Saviq, therefore shell should always receive volume key events even if it's not the foreground/focused app
[14:56] <Saviq> dandrader, yes, ideally
[14:57] <Saviq> dandrader, or well, this is a "hotkey" situation
[14:57] <davmor2> thostr_1: Hey dude the powerd fix for music playing.  Are there any updates for it?  If you have a piece of music playing and you let the screen blank you can wake it by touching the screen.  Hitting the power button however works as expected :)
[14:57] <Saviq> greyback, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6192549/
[14:58] <dandrader> Saviq, otherwise you wouldn't be able to change the volume while you're using an application
[14:58] <Saviq> greyback, to reproduce http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6192551/
[14:58] <Saviq> dandrader, of course, yes
[14:59] <greyback> Saviq: dammit, I thought the AP guys had that sorted.
[14:59] <Saviq> dandrader, so yeah, we need a filter of sorts here, too
[14:59] <Saviq> greyback, no, they only removed -fullscreen from the command line
[15:00] <greyback> hmmm
[15:02] <dednick> Cimi: can you re-approve? failed autolanding. https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/indicators-changes/+merge/189251
[15:04] <Saviq> greyback, I'll take care
[15:05] <greyback> ok
[15:11] <sil2100> bschaefer: hello! Just informing that I'm STILL looking for someone with free cycles for the XIM stuff :< No one wants to help uuus!
[15:11] <sil2100> bschaefer: every day I'm sending pings into the ether!
[15:12] <bschaefer> sil2100, thanks for poking people!
[15:13] <tsdgeos> om26er: yeah can repro the thing
[15:14] <tsdgeos> it's not technically crashing though
[15:14] <tsdgeos> i have no clue what's wrong
[15:16] <Cimi> dednick, it's a question of trust :D
[15:16] <Cimi> I mean, reviewing all those lines :D
[15:17] <dednick> Cimi: come of the files are from unity8, like the cmake stuff
[15:17] <dednick> and the runtests.sh script
[15:18] <dednick> Cimi: it's only really the qml you need to review
[15:18] <Cimi> dednick, "only"
[15:19] <dednick> Cimi: well, it's about 1k less ;)
[15:19] <Cimi> dednick, yeah, only 2K :D
[15:19] <dednick> Cimi: and the utils stuff from unity8 as well
[15:19] <Cimi> dednick, sales of the weekend
[15:19] <Cimi> dednick, anything more? :)
[15:20] <dednick> Cimi: nope. thats it
[15:21] <Saviq> MacSlow, how's it going with the bug?
[15:37] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i've bad news for you
[15:37] <Cimi> tsdgeos, more reviews?
[15:38] <Cimi> tsdgeos, or more python?
[15:38] <tsdgeos> Cimi: nope, r388 (which is yours) seems to be causing https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1235268
[15:38] <tsdgeos> r387 works
[15:38] <tsdgeos> r388 does not
[15:39] <Cimi> tsdgeos, weird
[15:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: how crucial is r388 and do we care about it hanging the dash on next release?
[15:39] <tsdgeos> Cimi: yeah :/
[15:39] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i'll try two more times in each revision to be sure
[15:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, huh? how could that cause that?
[15:40] <tsdgeos> i don't know
[15:40] <tsdgeos> but that's what reality says :D
[15:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, anyway, obviously if it makes it hang - revert
[15:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, since we're not likely to fix it today
[15:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, propose MP, I'll push through quickly
[15:41] <Cimi> I can debug
[15:41] <Cimi> but as Saviq said might take a big
[15:41] <Cimi> give me 30 mins
[15:41] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'd prefer if someone could test and agree with me that r388 fails and r387 works
[15:41] <tsdgeos> don't want to revert something that is not the problem
[15:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, doesn't Cimi agree?
[15:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you ↑?
[15:42] <tsdgeos> i just told him :D
[15:42] <Cimi> Saviq, I don't see how my code could make it hang
[15:42]  * Saviq caught up in unity8@mir@autopilot
[15:42] <Cimi> Saviq, it's qml only
[15:42] <Cimi> Saviq, might be some revision on the c++ plugin
[15:42] <Saviq> Cimi, well, it probably just causes some weirdness somewhere else
[15:42] <Cimi> Saviq, like r387
[15:42] <kgunn> MacSlow: any update?
[15:45] <tsdgeos> Cimi: well r387 works
[15:46] <tsdgeos> and r388 does not work
[15:46] <tsdgeos> how can it be r387 fault?
[15:46] <Cimi> tsdgeos, let me see if I can do a workaround
[15:46] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I have an idea
[15:46] <tsdgeos> Cimi: please first try it is indeed what i say
[15:46] <tsdgeos> and r387 works and r388 does not
[15:47] <tsdgeos> the merge request is at https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/revert_r388/+merge/189356 in case it is needed
[15:48] <Cimi> Saviq, I'm on this bug, if I can easily find a workaround fine, otherwise I'll approve albert branch
[15:48] <Saviq> Cimi, k
[15:49] <Cimi> how to make ubuntu-system writable?
[15:49] <Cimi> touch /userdata/.writable-image?
[15:49] <Cimi> or writeable?
[15:50] <Cimi> underscore
[15:51] <tsdgeos>  touch /userdata/.writable_image
[16:02] <Saviq> YES
[16:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: Cimi: i've to move, can be back online in around 45min or so if you need me
[16:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, don't, do your EOW
[16:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, have a good one
[16:03] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I'm online for another hour
[16:03] <kgunn> tsdgeos: see ya
[16:04] <Cimi> tsdgeos, 388 doesn't hang on the pc, waiting the phone
[16:04] <Cimi> tsdgeos, enjoy btw
[16:04] <kgunn> MacSlow: any joy
[16:04]  * tsdgeos waves
[16:05] <pollux_> is there any way to update the 12.04 unity interface to the one that 13.04 uses?
[16:06] <Saviq> greyback, can I steal you for https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-mir-autopilot/+merge/189350 ?
[16:07] <greyback> Saviq: sure
[16:11] <Saviq> greyback, the lifecycle tests - those are supposed to run on real Applications plugin, not on the mock?
[16:11] <greyback> Saviq: lifecycle tests? What where?
[16:11] <Saviq> greyback, autopilot
[16:11] <Saviq> greyback, unity8.application_lifecycle.tests
[16:12] <greyback> Saviq: first I've seen of that
[16:12] <Saviq> lol
[16:12] <greyback> I'd no idea they were there
[16:13] <Saviq> greyback, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/revision/332
[16:13] <greyback> Saviq: I was scared that branch would have my name on it :)
[16:13] <Saviq> ;D
[16:14] <Saviq> greyback, either way - they got broken between current appmgr and unity-mir
[16:14] <greyback> Saviq: does not appear to actually look for lifecycle events or process suspending, only checks that apps launch
[16:15] <greyback> Saviq: ok, gimme 15 then I can look
[16:15] <Saviq> greyback, yeah, pretty simple still
[16:15] <Saviq> greyback, no no
[16:15] <Saviq> greyback, ignore them fornow
[16:15] <Saviq> greyback, veebers will take care of them over our weekend
[16:15] <kgunn> MacSlow: i understand for bug#1235215 we know exactly what needs to change....can we please have an MP up asap
[16:15] <greyback> Saviq: grand so
[16:15] <Saviq> greyback, the "let's be able to run unity8 tests" more important
[16:16] <greyback> kgunn: in investigating bug 1235190 I've gone as far as I can, I need some Mir team help
[16:17] <greyback> kgunn: most wasted cycles are inside the driver. Can't repro that on GNexus tho, so could be Nexus4 only
[16:18] <kgunn> greyback: ack, kdub should be able to dive into this one
[16:19] <kgunn> kdub: probably need to turn it into a number/data discussion to avoid the "it feels" stuff
[16:19] <kdub> kgunn, sure
[16:19] <kdub> those profiling numbers don't strike me as alarming
[16:20] <mzanetti> kgunn: do you have a list with unity-crasher bugs?
[16:23] <kgunn> mzanetti: crasher or hang
[16:23] <mzanetti> kgunn: crash
[16:24] <Cimi> Saviq, while this phone compiles (and takes ages), do you think might be the render hints value from the model? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/revision/388
[16:24] <Cimi> to cause the crash?
[16:24] <Cimi> s/crash/hang/
[16:25] <Cimi> mhr3_, come here dude :P
[16:25] <greyback> kdub: those numbers gathered while UI not rendering, with no application open either
[16:25] <kgunn> mzanetti: so there's really only 2 i know of ...and 1 hang
[16:25] <mzanetti> kgunn: hmm... ok. then I have a new one
[16:26] <Saviq> Cimi, unlikely
[16:26] <Cimi> Saviq, so any idea?
[16:26] <Saviq> Cimi, not today
[16:26] <Cimi> Saviq, ok
[16:27] <kgunn> mzanetti: 1234940, 1228336, then the hang which does have an apportcrash 1229880
[16:27] <kgunn> ok guys...flaw in my plan....battery dead...
[16:27] <Cimi> why unity8 takes one hour to compile on the gnexus?
[16:27] <kgunn> any minute now
[16:28] <kdub> greyback, i'll probably need some help getting that image on the phone
[16:28] <kdub> whatever phablet-flash ubuntu-system gave me looks okay
[16:29] <greyback> kdub: sure. I'd recommend "phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed --no-backup" if you won't loose anything
[16:31] <kdub> greyback, okay
[16:31] <kdub> and is there a fast way to compile unity8?
[16:32] <kdub> when i was looking at the flicker bug, i just compiled on the phone...
[16:32] <greyback> kdub: I've nothing faster to offer, sorry
[16:33]  * kdub groans
[16:34] <olli> Saviq, MacSlow any news on the call pickup bug?
[16:34] <olli> lool is curious if this can be fixed before EOD EU
[16:36] <Cimi> this thing takes bloody ages
[16:36] <Cimi> Saviq, I'm half way through the compile :)
[16:36] <Saviq> Cimi, I know
[16:36] <Cimi> Saviq, would be nice a flag to skip compiling mocks
[16:37] <Cimi> Saviq, or reduce the requirements for ./run_on_device
[16:37] <Cimi> not everyone has a nexus 4
[16:37] <Saviq> Cimi, well, if we don't clean $HOME every time we flash, it's going to be fine
[16:37] <Cimi> Saviq, yeah
[16:38] <Cimi> Saviq, had the bad idea of ref lashing last night
[16:38]  * kdub is in the same boat
[16:39] <Saviq> Cimi, or well... when we cross-compile with ccache - that's the correct solution
[16:39] <greyback> Saviq: a compile without tests option would be nice :)
[16:39] <greyback> but yes, that's the correct solution
[16:40] <Saviq> greyback, sure, that'd work, too
[16:41] <Cimi> someone can quickly confirm the hang on unity8?
[16:42] <Cimi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1235268
[16:42] <Cimi> and that it's fixed with https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/revert_r388/+merge/189356 ?
[16:45] <Saviq> greyback, sorry to bug you again... but https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/add-notifications-inputarea/+merge/189370 should work, right?
[16:45] <Saviq> greyback, under Mir I mean
[16:46] <greyback> Saviq: yes, that's fine
[16:46] <Saviq> greyback, and should cause input to go to shell instead of app?
[16:46] <greyback> yep
[16:46] <Cimi> Saviq, it's not hanging for mhr3_
[16:46] <Saviq> Cimi, was it only hanging for Albert?
[16:46] <Saviq> Cimi, not for you?
[16:47] <Cimi> Saviq, it's not hanging on my pc
[16:47] <Cimi> Saviq, I'm waiting the phone
[16:47] <Saviq> Cimi, why are you waiting?
[16:47] <Saviq> Cimi, dist-upgrade the phone?
[16:47] <Saviq> Cimi, isn't it released already?
[16:47] <Cimi> Saviq, it is
[16:47] <greyback> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-mir-autopilot/+merge/189350 approved
[16:47] <Saviq> greyback, thanks
[16:47] <Cimi> Saviq, it hanged now for him
[16:48] <dandrader_> greyback, where does runQMirServerWithClient comes from?
[16:48] <Cimi> Saviq, just scrolling
[16:48] <dandrader_> just so many indirections...
[16:48] <Cimi> Saviq, not clicking collapse
[16:48] <kdub> greyback, well, working on compiling now, but
[16:48] <mhr3_> Saviq, might be the general freeze thing
[16:48] <kdub> i have that image flashed, i don't see gpu activity during idle
[16:49] <greyback> dandrader_: unity-mir, src/modules/qmirserver.h
[16:49] <mhr3_> Saviq, then again, maybe the new code makes it more likely to happen
[16:49] <mhr3_> Saviq, oh wait, unity8 is using 100%cpu
[16:50] <Saviq> mhr3_, doing something?
[16:50] <mhr3_> well.. nothing visible
[16:50] <mhr3_> hah
[16:51] <mhr3_> oh
[16:51] <mhr3_> nvm
[16:51] <dandrader_> greyback, what's the rationale behind that stuff
[16:51] <greyback> kdub: it doesn't happen initially. I suggest you run an autopilot test, as that seems to trigger it. So install "ubuntu-calendar-app-autopilot", unlock the phone, and run "autopilot run ubuntu_calendar_app"
[16:52] <dandrader_> greyback, instead of having unity8 using QMirServer class directly
[16:52] <greyback> kdub: once the test completes, have a look at unity8's cpu usage again
[16:52] <dandrader_> greyback, the soft switch between SF & mir?
[16:52] <kdub> have to figure out how to do all that... few minutes
[16:54] <greyback> dandrader_: I start up Mir first, then Qt after (so you see the QApplication not main thread warning). I'm using the run_mir method Mir gives me, to which I must pass a std::function to the client (i.e. Qt).
[16:54] <greyback> dandrader_: yes it's clunky. I do plan to re-visit
[16:54] <MacSlow> olli, not yet
[16:55] <greyback> dandrader_: using run_mir was more a difficulty than an advantage really.
[17:01] <om26er> Cimi, I'll do the testing. I am the original reported. I am just going to test if the issue happens with the revert branch or not
[17:01] <Cimi> om26er, it happens with the last package here, on my phone
[17:01] <Cimi> om26er, it's 100% cpu spike
[17:01] <Cimi> ad hang
[17:03] <Cimi> om26er, it's unrelated to the dash plugins
[17:03] <Cimi> om26er, or might be
[17:03] <Cimi> om26er, I have hang even expanding just the apps
[17:03] <Saviq> greyback, I'm lost... InputFilterArea... is that what's giving input to shell under Mir, too? does it support live updates? like dynamic geometry?
[17:04] <greyback> Saviq: yes. Shell only gets input in a rectangle if there's an InputFilterArea specifying that rectangle
[17:04] <greyback> else the application gets that input
[17:04] <greyback> Saviq: it should support life updates
[17:05] <om26er> Cimi, right. I am trying the revert branch aacid
[17:05] <om26er> *from
[17:05] <om26er> debs are here http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/unity8-saucy-armhf-ci/1261/
[17:05] <Saviq> greyback, no worky :/
[17:05]  * Saviq builds CONFIG=+debug unity-mir
[17:05] <Cimi> Saviq, might be some slow performance of theming
[17:06] <Saviq> Cimi, well, I doubt it - we only create so many of them, and while it does mean another wrapper... I don't think it should matter that much
[17:07] <Cimi> Saviq, I am doomed then, no idea why it might happen
[17:07] <Saviq> Cimi, did you confirm that it doesn't happen without that change?
[17:08] <Cimi> Saviq, no
[17:08] <Cimi> Saviq, I did apt-get update, and I have no wifi
[17:08] <greyback> Saviq: I've a fixme in InputArea::setMirInputArea, it would be my first suspect
[17:08] <Cimi> Saviq, I'm reflashing
[17:08] <Cimi> Saviq, something broke the indicator
[17:10] <Cimi> om26er, it's not opening ehre
[17:10] <om26er> Cimi, right you need VPN access
[17:11] <Cimi> om26er, yeah
[17:11] <Saviq> greyback, hrmpf "upstart_app_launch_app_failed_observer_t" error?
[17:11] <Cimi> om26er, mail pls?
[17:11] <Saviq> greyback, outdated upstart, got it
[17:12] <om26er> Cimi, sure.
[17:13] <Saviq> ricmm, no release of upstart, unity-mir & friends yet?
[17:14] <ricmm> Saviq: (:
[17:14] <ricmm> Saviq: read phab
[17:14] <Saviq> ricmm, k, will not, see you're on it ;)
[17:14] <om26er> Cimi, sent
[17:15] <Cimi> om26er, not received yet
[17:15] <Cimi> om26er, working for u?
[17:16] <om26er> Cimi, refresh your mail client. I am still setting things up
[17:20] <Saviq> greyback, yeah, updates to geometry don't work
[17:20] <Cimi> om26er, no hang for me
[17:20] <greyback> Saviq: feck
[17:20] <Cimi> om26er, with albert
[17:20] <Saviq> greyback, or maybe to enabled
[17:20] <Saviq> greyback, anyway, will put them *in* notifications to start with
[17:20] <om26er> Cimi, yeah, so the revert did work then
[17:20] <greyback> Saviq: will that work for now? Until I properly fix it?
[17:20] <Saviq> greyback, yes
[17:20] <greyback> Saviq: please log bug so I don't forget
[17:21] <MacSlow> Saviq, I think I've a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1235215, but when using "run_on_device" the system-settings seem like a dummy-page... no item works... is that expected? The snap-decision works though.
[17:21] <Cimi> om26er, seems so
[17:21] <Saviq> greyback, well, let met ry one more thing
[17:21] <Saviq> MacSlow, it should work just fine
[17:22] <Saviq> MacSlow, either way, I'm afraid we didn't hear from you and I did it myself
[17:22] <Saviq> MacSlow, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/add-notifications-inputarea/+merge/189370
[17:22] <Saviq> MacSlow, just pushed an update there
[17:22] <MacSlow> Saviq, I had lots of issues with the device here :/
[17:23] <Saviq> MacSlow, if the solution is the same, then we're good to merge, then
[17:24] <MacSlow> Saviq, I didn't use the same condition for blockInput... but the rest is the same
[17:24] <Saviq> MacSlow, refresh - it isn't working inside Shell.qml
[17:25] <Saviq> MacSlow, had to move it into Notification.qml
[17:25] <Cimi> Saviq, how to restart shell from the phone?
[17:25] <Cimi> Saviq, like the service
[17:25] <Saviq> Cimi, restart unity8
[17:25] <Saviq> greyback, and this one has short legs... with the extended snap decisions geometry gets updated and it's not great
[17:25] <Cimi> user phabler?
[17:25] <Cimi> phablet?
[17:25] <Saviq> Cimi, yes
[17:26] <Cimi> I'm not compiling but adb pushing files
[17:26] <greyback> Saviq: it /should/ be listening for geometry changes and updating dynamically. So that's my problem
[17:26] <Saviq> greyback, well, setMirInputArea is called
[17:27] <Saviq> greyback, but it seems it doesn't actually work until like 2 taps later
[17:27] <greyback> Saviq: is the calculated geometry correct?
[17:27] <Saviq> greyback, looks like it, yes (especially since it *does* work ultimately)
[17:28] <greyback> Saviq: yeesh, may be Mir bug then
[17:28] <Cimi> Saviq, I think it's the style
[17:28] <Saviq> greyback, ah
[17:28] <Saviq> greyback, x=0.000000, y=0.000000, width=732.000000, height=299.000000
[17:28] <Cimi> Saviq, I've disabled styling of dashplugin and weather
[17:28] <Saviq> greyback, x and y is borked, of course
[17:29] <greyback> Saviq: that geometry is relative to the screen?
[17:29] <Cimi> Saviq, while using the style for the tile.qml
[17:29] <Cimi> Saviq, and it hangs
[17:29] <Saviq> greyback, that's what setMirInputArea sends
[17:29] <greyback> Saviq: ah, then that's my problem, the x,y is not taken against the scene geometry
[17:29] <greyback> but against the parent geom
[17:29] <greyback> my bug
[17:29] <Saviq> greyback, yup
[17:30] <Saviq> greyback, solves (somehow) the problem at hand
[17:30] <greyback> Saviq: though I don't follow how it works after 2 presses
[17:30] <Saviq> greyback, me neither
[17:30] <greyback> Saviq: anyway, I'll push it to top of my list
[17:30] <Saviq> greyback, you'll have an easy way to test then
[17:30] <Saviq> greyback, with the notifications now
[17:30] <greyback> yep
[17:32] <Cimi> Saviq, confirmed: I just put the contents of TileStyle.qml into Tile.qml replacing style: Tile ()
[17:32] <Cimi> Saviq, no hangs
[17:32] <Saviq> Cimi, so styling?
[17:32] <Cimi> Saviq, so I'd say let's revert using albert branch
[17:33] <Saviq> Cimi, k
[17:33] <Cimi> Saviq, but I might need more help next week understanding why style makes it hang
[17:33] <Cimi> Saviq, could be sdk fault
[17:34] <dandrader> greyback, does unity-mir trunk needs libupstart trunk?
[17:34] <Saviq> Cimi, approved
[17:35] <Saviq> dandrader, yes
[17:35] <Cimi> Saviq, EOD, I want to leave this office!
[17:35] <greyback> dandrader: it needs the latest release of upstart-app-launch
[17:35] <Cimi> Saviq, it's friday designers started drinking at 17 :)
[17:35] <Saviq> greyback, not release, trunk, even
[17:35] <Cimi> enjoy weekend guys
[17:35] <dandrader> greyback, not yet on image 80 it seems
[17:35] <greyback> Saviq: it wasn't released? Feck
[17:35] <Saviq> greyback, I think so
[17:36] <Saviq> greyback, dandrader yeah, trunk
[17:36] <greyback> dandrader: yes trunk
[17:36] <Cimi> greyback, you type feck or you have an alias nsfw?
[17:36] <Cimi> :)
[17:36] <greyback> sorry, I thought we had a release
[17:36] <greyback> Cimi: it's an Irish thing :)
[17:39]  * Saviq EOW, enough...
[17:39] <greyback> Saviq: have a nice one!
[17:40] <dandrader> Saviq, come on! it's still early!
[17:40] <dandrader> :)
[17:40] <MacSlow> Saviq, with the IFA in Notifications.qml it doesn't fix the bug for me here
[17:41] <greyback> MacSlow: there's a bug with the IFA itself
[17:42] <MacSlow> greyback, Saviq: hm... I'm lost then... only with IFA for notifications in Shell.qml I could get it to work...
[17:43] <greyback> MacSlow: yep, that's the bug with IFA. It's not calculating it's position correctly when inside Notifications.qml. It's an IFA bug, I'll fix it
[17:46] <MacSlow> greyback, I'm almost two hours late for an appointment by now... I need to take a break... do you have an eta for the mentioned fix?
[17:46] <greyback> MacSlow: sorry no
[17:47] <MacSlow> greyback, is there a bug filed on it I could monitor?
[17:49] <greyback> MacSlow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1235383
[17:50] <MacSlow> greyback, thx
[17:51] <MacSlow> greyback, Saviq: I'll be back later.
[17:55] <dandrader> tedg, ping
[17:56] <mzanetti> Saviq: I just put the fix-genericpreviews as a prerequisite and resubmitted this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/switching-previews/+merge/189391
[17:57] <mzanetti> Saviq: the combination of both looks truly amazing :)
[17:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, k, yeah I thought it would ;)
[17:57] <mzanetti> kudos to design
[17:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, and thought of doing the same :)
[17:57] <Saviq> and to engineering!
[17:57] <Saviq> ;)
[17:57] <mzanetti> Saviq: yep, so far I didn't know which one would make the race first
[17:58] <mzanetti> but not the genericone got more management power :D
[17:58] <Saviq> ;)
[18:03] <mzanetti> coll thing, it's easy now to make MusicPreview or whatever
[18:18]  * mzanetti can't stop swiping click app previews left/right
[18:18] <mzanetti> just when I recovered from dragging the launcher up and down :D
[18:23] <olli> mzanetti, do you have some cycles to look at a CPU issue in the current build?
[18:24] <mzanetti> olli: which issue?
[18:26] <mzanetti> ah, there it is
[18:31] <tedg> dandrader|afk, howdy
[18:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, make sure https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/revert_r388/+merge/189356 doesn't help
[18:32] <Saviq> olli, we're reverting that due to hangs in shell - could very well be the same ↑
[18:33] <Saviq> I gotta go, will spend some time tomorrow if we still need it
[18:42] <dandrader> tedg, got this while trying to build packages from upstart-app-launch trunk
[18:42] <dandrader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6193445/
[18:43] <dandrader> worked around it by commenting out the test from CMakelists.txt
[18:43] <dandrader> tests
[18:43] <tedg> dandrader, Huh, odd.  I'll give it a try.
[18:43] <dandrader> tedg, that was on the device
[18:44] <tedg> dandrader, Okay, it passes on my laptop.
[18:45] <dandrader> tedg, try it on your phone
[18:45] <tedg> I am
[19:02] <tedg> dandrader, They all passed for me...
[19:02] <tedg> dandrader, I'm running Galaxy Nexus, but it seem it'd likely be the same.
[19:02] <dandrader> tedg, I also did it on a Galaxy Nexus
[19:03] <tedg> dandrader, Mine has a white case
[19:03] <tedg> :-)
[19:03] <dandrader> :D
[19:03] <dandrader> it must be it
[19:04] <dandrader> tedg, btw, are you planning to make a new release of it soon?
[19:04] <tedg> dandrader, Not my choice :-(
[19:04] <dandrader> ah
[19:04] <tedg> It's the new "throw software at the wall and see what happens" development model.
[19:05] <tedg> I just did a dist-upgrade and it's still happy.
[19:18] <tedg> dandrader, Ah, it fails now.
[19:18] <dandrader> \o/
[19:18] <tedg> Turns out the dist-upgrade killed adb, and put me back into my local upstart-app-launch dir.
[19:18] <tedg> And I didn't notice :-)
[19:30] <mterry> FYI I'm not feeling well.   I will make up some work this weekend...  :(
[20:03] <slangasek> hi, can anyone here speak to the nux/compiz uploads in the freeze queue currently?
[20:03] <slangasek> they're syncs, which means the queue gives us no information about their contents.
[20:29]  * greyback eow


[01:44] <sge_> hi,all.
[01:44] <sge_> when i run my program in ubuntu 11.10 (pandaboard),result is error!
[01:44] <sge_> opengl es driver and lib come from  "http://ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/omap-trunk/ubuntu/"
[01:44] <sge_> my program draw three non-texture triangles,but only two triangles show.If my program running in ubuntu 10.10,it is normal,
[01:44] <sge_> it can draw three triangles
[01:44] <sge_> code as follows:  http://codepaste.net/5rvtaa
[04:29] <KeyserSoze> anyone know where I can look for info on running ubuntu on an asus transformer prime (the new one, with quad-core tegra 3)
[04:30] <KeyserSoze> i've been googling for info, haven't found reports of anyone with success, or attempts, or plans.


[00:33] <emma> hey there
[01:02] <emma> Any of you guys make your own music like electronica using open source apps?
[01:04] <BolachaJohn> i'm about trying to, emma ;)
[01:05] <emma> Id like to do that also.
[01:06] <BolachaJohn> cool! and what keeps you from doing it? ;)
[01:07] <emma> do you think there are any open source apps that could let a person (who had the creativity) to make the kind of music I hear here --- http://somafm.com/play/tags
[01:09] <emma> This is awesome music if you want to listen to it^
[01:11] <BolachaJohn> well actually i'm quite sure you can! if you're into synth programming and/or know where to get good samples there's pretty much anything you can do
[01:12] <BolachaJohn> do you have any experience in this field?
[01:19] <tucemiux> emma, im just learning
[01:20] <tucemiux> emma, if you have creativity and say you know how to program the utilities you have everything you need in ubuntu studio
[01:21] <tucemiux> emma, can you sing? :-)
[13:12] <GeertJohan> Hey :)
[13:12] <GeertJohan> Does anyone in here have experience with adding ubuntustudio to a existing Kubuntu installation?
[13:13] <GeertJohan> actually, the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage..
[13:13] <GeertJohan> I mean, can I just add a repository and add that metapackage?
[13:13] <GeertJohan> or will that give all kinds of conflicts between the different repositories?
[15:12] <doddo> Hello!! I just installed ubuntustudio and no i cannot install vim bcz it does not have installation candidate how do I fix that?
[17:06] <raven> hello
[17:06] <raven> do you know any tool that writes midi-data from microphone input?
[17:14] <raven> or "converts" monophonic recordings?


[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[14:51] <belkinsa> No Q&A today?
[14:55] <mhall119> belkinsa: dpm and popey are going to run it
[14:55] <belkinsa> Thanks
[14:57] <dpm> hi belkinsa :)
[14:57] <belkinsa> o/ dpm
[14:57] <dpm> yes, Q&A again this week :)
[14:57] <dpm> hi :)
[14:57] <belkinsa> I was just wondering.
[14:59] <popey> dpm: can't hear you
[15:11] <mhall119> pleia2: jose: bkerensa: what would you guys think of doing a mini-CLS at FOSSETCON? jono brought up the idea of independent regional conferencs on the CLS forum http://communityleadershipforum.com/t/local-cls-events/105
[15:12] <bkerensa> mhall119: I have not submitted a talk so despite invite will probably not be going
[15:12] <jose> mhall119: I'd be down for it as long as it's something like a 1h session (like we used to have at UDS), and is not in day 0 (when I'm flying)
[15:12] <bkerensa> mhall119: I got invited to SF in September so have been holding off :P
[15:12] <mhall119> bkerensa: ok
[15:12] <bkerensa> mhall119: but a mini-CLS would be cool and there are already other CLS events
[15:12] <mhall119> jose: yeah, I was thinking of seeing if there would be a room we could use for an hour or two
[15:13] <bkerensa> there is the CLS in SF, CLS East in New York and CLS EU
[15:15] <bkerensa> mhall119: will you be coming to CLS?
[15:18] <mhall119> bkerensa: no
[15:59] <dholbach> all rightie... need to rush off - see you tomorrow! :)
[17:37] <pleia2> mhall119: if there's a way to make a short CLS not an echo chamber, it might be interesting
[17:38] <pleia2> I found with ones I went to that it took a few sessions for folks to get out their grumping and get down to business
[17:40] <mhall119> pleia2: if you can give advice on that I'd sure appreciate it, I've never been to a CLS
[17:50] <pleia2> mhall119: an introduction that focuses on having concrete outcomes of sessions may be good, I think the trouble is generally that community folks rarely get together to talk about these things so the rants pour out early and it becomes not so useful (well, maybe it's emotionally useful :))
[17:51] <pleia2> or maybe sessions + lunch together, lunch gives rant time!
[18:00] <mhall119> true, lunch is only provided on thursday though, and jose won't be there for that
[18:00] <pleia2> maybe just go somewhere together for lunch?