[05:01] <h3xis> wireless documentation is not needed
[05:02] <xtknight> eitan: that is, specific to SD cards it looks like
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> ah, i've seen that with ndiswrapper
[05:02] <n4r0zA633k> I need Ubuntu install floppy disk images. Anyone know where I can get them?
[05:02] <xtknight> emun: yes , hmm im realy not sure how to fix it.  how did you go about installing the driver?
[05:02] <eitan> xtknight: roger, it is checked
[05:02] <eitan> xtknight: along with the one in mmc/sd menu
[05:02] <xtknight> eitan: alright, save the config and exit the config program
[05:02] <malt> say i buy two 500 gb hard drives, can i link them two hard drives in ubuntu to make 1000gb?
[05:03] <normmac> normasteryoda: any ideas?
[05:03] <IntuitiveNipple> malt, yes, using RAID striping
[05:03] <xtknight> val__: that is pretty odd.  sorry im not sure where to go from there
[05:03] <h3xis> normmac, okay we're going to try something
[05:03] <fangorious> malt: you could look at lvm, or evms
[05:03] <normmac> ok
[05:03] <h3xis> normmac, that does not use ndiswrapper
[05:03] <normmac> ok
[05:03] <h3xis> normmac, do sudo remmod ndiswrapper
[05:03] <SpacePuppy> i could only get my bcm card working with the bcm43xx project.. ndiswrapper people told me to use that instead of their product.
[05:03] <n4r0zA633k> malt, you should probably set up RAID when you partition the drives
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> normmac, listen to h3xis
[05:03] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, yeah that's what we're getting ready to do
[05:03] <malt> oh :D
[05:03] <normmac> ok
[05:03] <val__> xtknight,,,,would it be ok to put acpi=off and noapic in my boot options?
[05:04] <Falstiu1> malt: yes, there are lots of ways.  Which you should use depends on what you want to do.
[05:04] <h3xis> normmac, you do that command?
[05:04] <xtknight> val__: sure you can try it.
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> my solution is to use the kernel's built in firmware method.. which makes the card go into "b" mode
[05:04] <eitan> xtknight: done...should I continue the guide?
[05:04] <xtknight> eitan: yes
[05:04] <normmac> h3xis command not found
[05:04] <IntuitiveNipple> eitan: what's the URL of the guide you're following? It might help me too.
[05:05] <val__> right now i have no idea what those commands do,,,so im hesitant to change anything in the bios
[05:05] <h3xis> normmac, ummm
[05:05] <h3xis> hey anyone know the command to remove a module off hand?
[05:05] <h3xis> is it remmod?
[05:05] <emun> xtknight , i used add printer and since it was not detected by ubuntu , i chose lpt#1 and selected the ppd i had downloaded onto my desktop
[05:05] <h3xis> rmmod?
[05:05] <h3xis> or what?
[05:05] <eitan> IntuitiveNipple: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158
[05:05] <Jordan_U> rmmod
[05:05] <h3xis> thx
[05:05] <IntuitiveNipple> modprobe -r or rmmod
[05:05] <h3xis> normmac, sudo rmmod ndiswrapper
[05:05] <normmac> got it
[05:05] <xtknight> val__: it doesnt change your bios.  noapic acpi=off cant cause damage and i doubt itll cause any software issues if u boot up the next time without it.  its just a debugging option that u pass to the kernel
[05:06] <fangorious> modprobe -r should remove any now-unused other modules, I think
[05:06] <n4r0zA633k> Ubuntu installation floppy images, anyone?
[05:06] <val__> xtknight and i would put those option in the kernel line of the boot file?
[05:06] <h3xis> normmac, do sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[05:06] <SpacePuppy> h3xis: one last thing.. use the script to install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh get the firmware if you can.. much better then messing with fwcutter.
[05:06] <h3xis> haha
[05:06] <h3xis> alright
[05:06] <h3xis> normmac, dont
[05:06] <h3xis> normmac, scratch that
[05:07] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, where is that again?
[05:07] <ON> hi
[05:07] <SpacePuppy> sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[05:07] <xtknight> val__: yes, google acpi=off noapic for an example, youll see where people put it
[05:07] <fangorious> ON: hello
[05:07] <xtknight> val__: but actually dont put it in the grub config yet
[05:07] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, it's already built in o.o
[05:07] <normmac> h3xis a little lost
[05:07] <h3xis> normmac, hold on
[05:07] <h3xis> XD
[05:07] <val__> ok thanks so much
[05:08] <xtknight> val__: you can specify it when you boot up.  its like a safe mode, except you can edit the parameters on boot up.  just add noapic acpi=off to the kernel command line ( i think u press E on the grub screen to edit the line, or something)
[05:08] <xtknight> emun: so you double clicked the ppd and it tried to reinstall the driver?
[05:08] <h3xis> normmac, try sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[05:08] <eitan> xtknight: alright it's compiling...let's see how fast it takes on this core duo ;)
[05:08] <xtknight> eitan: core 2 duo?
[05:08] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, is there a decent guide that you know of that uses your preferred method?
[05:08] <eitan> yah
[05:08] <val__> yes thats where i was going to do that
[05:08] <xtknight> eitan: same here, im surprised ur linux works at all with that cpu lol
[05:09] <eitan> oh really?
[05:09] <ON> can somebody help me??
[05:09] <ON> can somebody help me??
[05:09] <eitan> it even has scaling
[05:09] <h3xis> ON, what
[05:09] <SpacePuppy> h3xis: lol... nope just use the one i posted earlier
[05:09] <xtknight> eitan: amazing, i had trouble with getting freq scaling to wrok
[05:09] <emun> xtknight, yes
[05:09] <fangorious> !anyone
[05:09] <eitan> xtknight: it cuts the speed to 50% when idle, right out of the box
[05:09] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:09] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, that command?
[05:09] <normmac> command not found
[05:09] <chico> my mp3 files wont play .. HELP
[05:09] <val__> but would that stay the same or do i have to change it every time i boot
[05:09] <eitan> its running full now
[05:09] <h3xis> normmac, k
[05:09] <chico> err. its no longer mp3
[05:09] <xtknight> eitan: core 2 duo T or E series?  T2700/etc or E6300/..?
[05:09] <chico> its .cda
[05:09] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, he says it cant find the command
[05:09] <SpacePuppy> h3xis: but >read< it carefully.. it's not as clear as it could be.
[05:09] <chico> .ogg
[05:09] <fangorious> ON: just ask your question, if anyone here knows they will answer
[05:09] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, was it a site?
[05:09] <n4r0zA633k> Where can I get Ubuntu install floppy images?
[05:10] <xtknight> emun: hmm so if u add a LPT#1 printer and try to find the ppd in the list what happens?  do sudo gnome-cups-add, use LPT#1 and then look at the drivers for vendor Lexmark. see if you see it
[05:10] <SpacePuppy> breezy?
[05:10] <h3xis> edgy
[05:10] <eitan> xtknight: it's a T series
[05:10] <xtknight> eitan: ahh no wonder.  notebook right?
[05:10] <eitan> 1.6 GHZ
[05:10] <eitan> yah
[05:10] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, everything im looking at says to use the fwcutter
[05:10] <eitan> notebook
[05:10] <SpacePuppy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[05:10] <h3xis> SpacePuppy, thx
[05:11] <xtknight> eitan: it's the E series with all the problems :O
[05:11] <emun> xtknight, ok
[05:11] <SpacePuppy> arf!
[05:11] <IntuitiveNipple> n4r0zA633k: look in /install/floppy/boot.img
[05:12] <eitan> ahh
[05:12] <eitan> xtknight: is that the desktop ver?
[05:12] <h3xis> normmac, sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[05:12] <xtknight> eitan: yeah.  it's an awesome cpu though.  its not really the cpu that has issues with linux, its the accompanying mainboards.  though frequency scaling does not work with the c2d eXXXX out of the box
[05:12] <djm62> excuse me, I'm trying to file a stack trace with debugging information for bug #351972.  apart from epiphany-browser-dbgsym and epiphany-browser-extensions-dbgsym, what else should I install to maximise the benefit of the report?
[05:13] <fangorious> h3xis: did ON actually ever ask anything?
[05:13] <eitan> xtknight: oh i see
[05:13] <xtknight> eitan: mine reached 97C in temperature today though so they get hot...lol
[05:13] <h3xis> fangorious, hell if i know
[05:13] <normmac> h3xis couldnt' find package
[05:13] <eitan> xtknight: wow really?  I thought the C2D were low temp due to the smaller die
[05:13] <h3xis> normmac, k
[05:13] <h3xis> normmac, hold on
[05:14] <xtknight> eitan: well at least not with my setup.  but the cpu fan was running at 0 rpm for some reason (intel quiet feature?) so maybe i shouldnt blame the c2d.
[05:14] <eitan> hmm
[05:14] <pokesmot> Question: How can I query info on my video card in ubuntu?
[05:14] <eitan> thats pretty dangerous
[05:14] <furryballs> Anyone know how to fix this problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1943833
[05:14] <h3xis> pokesmot, lspci -vv
[05:14] <xtknight> pokesmot: what type of info?  model?  command: lspci | grep VGA
[05:15] <h3xis> normmac, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:15] <xtknight> eitan: yeah, i was shocked.  it couldnt even read the temperature for cpu1.  maybe it shut off.  at least this kernel was smart enough to detect that the temperature was out of line and it did throttle the clock.  but it wont throttle the clock for idling
[05:15] <normmac> ok how?
[05:15] <h3xis> normmac, type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:15] <emun> xtknight, it gives a warning 2 ppds have driver....lex5700 among a lot of of other messages
[05:16] <xtknight> eitan: if it weren't for another system fan right next to the cpu it might have been damaged
[05:16] <normmac> h3xis ok it opened the list
[05:16] <pokesmot> h3xis: thanks
[05:16] <xtknight> eitan: i dont know how it survived wtih just the heatsink :P
[05:16] <h3xis> pokesmot, ^^
[05:16] <h3xis> normmac, see the line "edgy main" anywhere
[05:16] <tonyKUN> !sudo
[05:16] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:17] <xtknight> emun: disregard warnings in the terminal.  it prints it just for debugging.... just try as hard as you can and ignore all errors you see.  can you load the lexmark driver to lpt#1 in any way?
[05:17] <normmac> h3xis yes
[05:17] <normmac> edygy main restricted
[05:17] <h3xis> normmac, do you see "universe" anywhere?
[05:17] <eitan> xtknight: Im surprised your mobo didnt shut it down after reaching such a high temp...there should be some temp threshold it looks for
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> no more TUX magazine ... :-(
[05:17] <h3xis> normmac, okay, add universe and multiverse after restricted
[05:17] <normmac> h3xis yea
[05:17] <normmac> universe is after some of them
[05:18] <h3xis> make sure it's after them all
[05:18] <xtknight> eitan: indeed.  i set it to 60C, the cpu has gone above that and nothing happens.  i think i need Gigabyte's software for anything to happen.  the threshold for the cpu is like 75C.  im surprised the CPU didnt shut down itself.  i was running coretemp and it reported 97C for cpu0.  rebooted, bios reported 75C (idle)
[05:18] <emun> xtknight, i think it tells me they are already loaded to lpt#1
[05:18] <jessid> hello friends....I as always having little questions...I have downloaded some drivers for nvidia, but now not even screensavers work, jejeje...some idea where can I find info about installing nvidia drivers?
[05:18] <xtknight> eitan: but on a good day at idle it's 27C...varies a ton.  at load it's 60C now that i put the fan on 100% all the time (or so i think i did)
[05:18] <h3xis> !nvidia
[05:18] <jbroome> !nvida | jessid
[05:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvida - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:19] <xtknight> emun: interesting.  well does the printer work?
[05:19] <ircusr1> hi
[05:19] <h3xis> !nvidia | jessid
[05:19] <ubotu> jessid: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:19] <normmac> h3xis done
[05:19] <fangorious> ircusr1: hi
[05:19] <jbroome> i tried to tab complete !nvidia
[05:19] <h3xis> normmac, k save
[05:19] <ircusr1> Wassup?
[05:19] <xtknight> eitan: what's your c2d T run at (temperature)?  do you know of the coretemp.c program?
[05:19] <eitan> actually no, i havent checked yet
[05:20] <normmac> h3xis done
[05:20] <jessid> h3xis what is what you wrote?
[05:20] <emun> xtknight, no the printer does not work a lot of jobs in qeue
[05:20] <wweasel> How do I tell gFTP to use FTPS? This is stupid, but I just don't see how.
[05:20] <h3xis> normmac, in terminal run sudo apt-get update; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[05:20] <eitan> xtknight: the laptop doesnt ever feel hot
[05:20] <xtknight> emun: im afraid i cant be of any more help.  googling lexmark and linux should yield tons of possible resolutions though
[05:20] <h3xis> jessid, it's a command for the bot to tell you what to do
[05:21] <normmac> couldn't find package
[05:21] <levander> xtknight: I've got a C2D e6300, it only fluctuates betweens 20.5 and 21.5C for temps.
[05:21] <xtknight> eitan: the core 2 duo is supposed to run a lot more efficient than the core duo.  My hp core duo feels pretty hot at the bottom (the 'breathing' holes)
[05:21] <djm62> Is this the best place to ask questions about filing bug reports?
[05:21] <xtknight> levander: nice.  but that's idle right?  custom heatsink?
[05:21] <h3xis> normmac, k one sec
[05:21] <pokesmot> Can anyone recommend the best way to go about 3D acceleration?
[05:21] <eitan> xtknight: although right now i can feel heat from the fan outlet since it's been running at full power for the past 5 min
[05:21] <levander> xtknight: retail heatsink
[05:21] <emun> xtknight, thanks, were you able to install your lexmark
[05:21] <jessid> h3xis  where are those commands and how can i test them without bothering to anyone here?
[05:21] <h3xis> jessid, i dont know test them on yourself
[05:22] <xtknight> emun: no.  it wasnt actually a lexmark but it was a free Dell printer that had lexmark elecytronics.  it was a z600 though and i never got it to print in linux but i didnt try for that long.  it wasnt that great of a printer
[05:22] <jessid> h3xis jaja ok!
[05:22] <levander> xtknight: well, almost idle
[05:22] <levander> xtknight: it's been awhile since i've really stressed this machine
[05:22] <h3xis> normmac, i'm going to show you a sources.list that should look like yours
[05:22] <xtknight> levander: interesting.  im using the retail heatsink/thermal strips as well with my e6300 but it gets no lower than 27C idle
[05:22] <normmac> k
[05:22] <xtknight> levander: do you have any linux issues with your c2d system?
[05:23] <eitan> xtknight: i'll check the temp in the future, it is interesting to see...I did see benchmarks between CD and C2D laptop temps and the C2D were lower only by a few deg C
[05:23] <levander> xtknight: originally, it was running at 70C.  But, I removed the heatsink and found a hair in between the heatsink and the CPU.
[05:23] <Music_Shuffle> ...lol
[05:23] <wweasel> How do I tell gFTP to use FTPS? This is stupid, but I just don't see how.
[05:23] <levander> xtknight: Plus, I'm not sure I had the mounting posts pushed down in the holes correctly.
[05:23] <xtknight> hehe
[05:23] <levander> xtknight: Are you running a Core Duo, or a Core *2* Duo?
[05:23] <normmac> h3xis my dcc might not work
[05:23] <emun> xtknight, i think the thing that will drive me away from ubuntu will be this headache with printers
[05:23] <xtknight> levander: core 2 duo desktop system, mainboard: gigabyte ga-965p-ds3
[05:24] <h3xis> normmac, is there a way that you can get on here on that other computer?
[05:24] <Soccrmastr> someone plz tell me how I can disable the Ubuntu CD source
[05:24] <jbroome> emun: don't blame ubuntu/linux for closed driver win-printers
[05:24] <Soccrmastr> im trying to install printer drivers and it says I must disable the ubuntu CD source
[05:24] <h3xis> !backports
[05:24] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[05:24] <normmac> no itnernet
[05:24] <h3xis> normmac, i thought it had a wired connection
[05:24] <jessid> what is the name of ubuntu 6.10?
[05:24] <normmac> i can transfer through flashcard
[05:25] <h3xis> jessid, edgy eft
[05:25] <normmac> no thats a wireless card
[05:25] <xtknight> emun: well if u devote a lot of time to it u may be able to get it working.  then make a howto so everyone else doesnt have to go through the same thing :P
[05:25] <jessid> h3xis thanks
[05:25] <emun> jbroom , do  you ] have a printer installed with your ubuntu
[05:25] <h3xis> normmac, okay you can do that then. get this file: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bcm43xx-fwcutter/bcm43xx-fwcutter_20060501-5_i386.deb
[05:25] <levander> xtknight: One thing I figured out when I remounted the heatsink.  There are like these white posts on the bottom of the heatsink.    You have to make sure to put the white posts into the holes on the motherboard.  And then, after the white posts are inside the holes, then you push the black posts down inside the white posts and the holes.
[05:25] <xtknight> my HP deskjet 722c works fine after modifying pnm2ppa (dapper) and sudo modprobe ppdev (edgy)
[05:25] <h3xis> normmac, install it when you get it transferred
[05:25] <xtknight> took some research.
[05:26] <levander> xtknight: I'm not positive I did that right the first time I mounted the heatsink.
[05:26] <jbroome> emun: a laser and two ink jets
[05:26] <levander> xtknight: And, are you sure cpu scaling isn't working out of the box for your C2D?  It did for me.
[05:26] <xtknight> levander: ya you have to make sure stuff snaps.  im pretty sure i did though
[05:27] <normmac> h3xis how do i install it
[05:27] <xtknight> levander: uhh i dont see any messages that would indicate it.  and i see no way of configuring how it occurs.
[05:27] <levander> xtknight: Yeah, it's hard to remember, but if you reseat it, I'd make sure to do what I mentioned above.
[05:27] <xtknight> levander: but i did see a reduced frequency in my cpuinfo some times
[05:27] <emun> jbroom, which models , and did you have them before installing ubuntu
[05:27] <jbroome> Soccrmastr: comment out the deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list that has the cd as an install source
[05:27] <xtknight> levander: i also need to find a way to control the fan speed
[05:27] <h3xis> normmac, double click on the file
[05:27] <n4r0zA633k> Where are Ubuntu installation floppy images?
[05:27] <levander> xtknight: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "cpu MHz"'
[05:27] <xtknight> levander: mine got hot cuz my fan was at 0 rpm (intel qst feature apparently or maybe just fan failure)
[05:27] <jbroome> emun: you need to use my full nick if i'm going to see your questions in this flurry
[05:27] <wweasel> Guys, could you please help me? How do I tell gFTP to connect to an ftp server using FTPS?
[05:27] <eitan> xtknight: oh yeah, the heatsink exhaust is heating up now
[05:28] <h3xis> n4r0zA633k, i dont think there are any
[05:28] <xtknight> eitan: that happens during kernel compiles ;)
[05:28] <normmac> h3xis done
[05:28] <levander> xtknight: Yeah, I read about your fan not spinning.
[05:28] <levander> xtknight: What's the output of the above command?
[05:28] <eitan> xtknight: yeah Im looking at my cpu usage and its just maxing out
[05:28] <jbroome> n4r0zA633k: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies
[05:28] <xtknight> levander: 1866.670, seems to be full frequency now but ive seen it at 600 before
[05:28] <xtknight> levander: oh i disabled intel qst maybe thats why the fan is at full and the frequency is at full.  it must not be software controlled
[05:29] <n4r0zA633k> h3xis, that's good enough for me. How hard Is a TFTP-style network install?
[05:29] <levander> xtknight: Yeah, that's full frequency.  Mine's at 1596.000.
[05:29] <h3xis> normmac, okay you need the file bcwl5.sys
[05:29] <levander> xtknight: The 1596 I read is the lowest it goes.
[05:29] <normmac> got it
[05:29] <h3xis> n4r0zA633k, no idea :/
[05:29] <levander> xtknight: You definitely have something wierd.
[05:29] <jbroome> emun: hp LJ 5p, deskjet 955, and a photosmart 7900
[05:29] <levander> xtknight: What is gst?
[05:29] <xtknight> levander: maybe it was 1600 i cant remember
[05:29] <n4r0zA633k> jbroome, thanks for the link
[05:29] <jbroome> n4r0zA633k: np
[05:29] <xtknight> levander: that is, the reduced one.  600 or 1600 i dont know
[05:30] <levander> xtknight: I see, if you disabled scaling in the BIOS, yeah, it's probably not scaling because of that.
[05:30] <xtknight> levander: QST is intel's quiet thing like amd cool n quiet.  it activates speedstep and controls fan speed/frequency.  it was in my bios
[05:30] <h3xis> normmac, run sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/2.6.17-10-generic <location_of_bcwl5.sys>
[05:30] <levander> xtknight: That's probably also why your temps are hotter than mine.  You're running at a higher clock speed.
[05:30] <xtknight> levander: no, QST was on when it was at 97C. i think QST was underestimating or something.  i have no idea why the fan stopped though
[05:31] <emun> jbroome , sorry typo, that is interesting because i came to the cionclusion that hp is the way to go with ubuntu , i learnt it the hard way
[05:31] <xtknight> levander: well i dont know i take that back.  it was at auto, im not sure if QST was on or not
[05:31] <levander> xtknight: It was at 97C because the fan wasn't running I'm assuming.
[05:31] <xtknight> levander: meh i cant remember ;)
[05:31] <levander> xtknight: Turning on QST making the fan stop almost sounds like a bug in your BIOS.  Have you tried reflashing?
[05:31] <h3xis> oh my god jolly rancher gummies are so good
[05:32] <xtknight> levander: three times.  f7 bios->f8 bios->f9 bios now
[05:32] <xtknight> levander: but i dont know ill see how the F9 bios works
[05:32] <xtknight> levander: it happened on the F8 bio
[05:32] <levander> xtknight: And, you can reproduce this, turn off GST and the fan stops?
[05:32] <xtknight> levander: not reproducable at the moment.  only had it happen once but i dont really want to reproduce it
[05:32] <atarinox_> does anyone know how i change my default browser?
[05:32] <normmac> h3xis lib/firmware/2.6.17-generic/bcm43xx_microcode2.fw: No such file or directory
[05:32] <bruenig> atarinox_, what are you trying to change it to?
[05:32] <atarinox_> right now all the links i try to open in gaim open in the console browser
[05:33] <atarinox_> bruenig: firefox
[05:33] <levander> xtknight: Well, next time you play with it... You may just have had the fan plugged in wrong and that's why the fan stopped...
[05:33] <xtknight> atarinox_: system->preferences->preferred applications
[05:33] <h3xis> atarinox_, in the gnome menu somewhere there is Preferred Applications. there is a section for default browsers there. change it there
[05:33] <normmac> h3xis but it did cut the firmware it says
[05:33] <bruenig> atarinox_, sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox
[05:33] <h3xis> normmac, alright, sounds good enough for me
[05:33] <levander> xtknight: I understand not wanting to mess with it again since it's working, but running the computer for 20 seconds without the fan on won't kill it.
[05:33] <normmac> h3xis so did that error mean anything?
[05:33] <levander> xtknight: And, the fan should kick on right when you turn on the computer.
[05:33] <bruenig> atarinox_, also in gaim there is an option in preferences where you are supposed to set your browser
[05:33] <wweasel> !ftp
[05:33] <h3xis> normmac, no idea XD
[05:33] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[05:33] <h3xis> normmac, we'll move on
[05:34] <normmac> h3xis what now
[05:34] <normmac> h3xis ok
[05:34] <levander> xtknight: If it doesn't kick on right when you hit the switch you have a problem and can turn it off.
[05:34] <xtknight> levander: it's under my impression that running it 2 seconds without the fan would overheat the cpu...  that's just what i've read
[05:34] <xtknight> levander: it does work at full when i turn the pc on
[05:34] <levander> xtknight: Nah, it's not that bad.
[05:34] <h3xis> normmac, sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[05:34] <levander> xtknight: Head to #hardware, they'll tell you the same thing and may even be able to point you to doc.'s.
[05:35] <xtknight> levander: how would it work at all if it wasnt plugged in properly though?
[05:35] <normmac> h3xis temporary failure in name resolution
[05:35] <levander> xtknight: Well, if it was working some, then you're right, it wasn't how it was being plugged in.
[05:35] <levander> xtknight: Did you see the fan actually not spinning?
[05:35] <atarinox_> bruenig: i don't see that option in my version of gaim. and im on xfce, so there's no system>preferences...
[05:36] <h3xis> normmac, one sec
[05:36] <bruenig> atarinox_, in gaim, it is tools>preferences, then the browser tab
[05:36] <h3xis> normmac, zless /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter/README.gz
[05:36] <bruenig> atarinox_, did you run that command
[05:36] <xtknight> levander: i didnt actually bother to listen or open the case.  i should have.  but i saw 0 rpm in the bios reading and 75C on CPU.  that's a record for idle temp but that was just a few seconds after it was 97C and cpu was at 100% so it could have just been cooling down
[05:36] <atarinox_> yeah i ran the command...
[05:37] <atarinox_> oh ok found the browser tab
[05:37] <bruenig> atarinox_, also preferred applications is in applications>settings>preferred applications in xubuntu
[05:37] <xtknight> levander: i turned the pc off immediately after i saw 75C and waited 3 mins before powering on again, it was 60C and went down from there
[05:37] <bruenig> or xfce
[05:37] <atarinox_> thanks
[05:37] <normmac> no such file or dir
[05:38] <h3xis> normmac, k one sec
[05:38] <jessid> !nvidia | jessid
[05:38] <ubotu> jessid: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:39] <xtknight> levander: cpu0 and cpu1 are at 54 C right now with 0% cpu
[05:39] <xtknight> levander: this coretemp program may be buggy though.  it subtracts a value  from tjmax and this program assumes 85.  some are 100 (or maybe its vice versa)
[05:39] <jessid> !536EP
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 536EP - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <cafuego_> xtknight: What is the ambient temperature in the room there?
[05:40] <xtknight> cafuego: around 66 F
[05:40] <cafuego_> What is that in real units?
[05:40] <jessid> !who
[05:40] <ubotu> As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[05:40] <xtknight> cafuego: we dont use real units ;p
[05:41] <levander> xtknight: If it happens again, I'd try reseating your heatsink.  Make sure the mounting posts are on tight and that there is nothing in between the CPU and the heatsink.
[05:41] <jessid> !applets
[05:41] <ubotu> To add useful applets to your panel, right click on the panel and choose "Add applet"
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> cafuego_: (66 - 32) * 5 / 9, of course
[05:41] <xtknight> cafuego: 18.8 C
[05:41] <bruenig> Fahrenheit = arbitrary awesomeness
[05:41] <levander> Nothing except for the thermal paste.
[05:41] <cafuego_> 18.9C - ok Check yer cpu fan.
[05:41] <Hazuki> C = ((F-32)*5)/9
[05:41] <jessid> chao!
[05:41] <xtknight> levander: roger
[05:41] <cafuego_> tonyyarusso: You forgot the +273.15 ;-)
[05:42] <levander> xtknight: Do you have the lm-sensors package installed so you can check the temps from the desktop?
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> cafuego_: Oooo, you wanted those units!
[05:42] <Hazuki> cafuego, that's Kelvin...only physics majors measure their case temp in Kelvin
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> :P
[05:42] <levander> xtknight: With lm-sensors you don't have to go into the BIOS to check the temps.  Can just check it from Linxu.
[05:42] <xtknight> levander: not sure, i probably have lm-sensors but im using coretemp.c, some file i found on google to read core duo temperatures.  it uses the on-die DTS (digital tmeperature sensor).  it measures the hottest part of the cpu so the bios may be retrieving something else
[05:43] <normmac> h3xis still looking?
[05:43] <h3xis> normmac, download this file: http://sidulus.textdrive.com/bcmwl5sys.zip unzip it, and store it on the desktop of the computer
[05:43] <cafuego_> xtknight: I've found more c2d chipsets aren't properly supported yet by lm_sensors :-(
[05:43] <cafuego_> h3xis: ubuntu.cafuego.net has a firmware .deb
[05:43] <h3xis> isnt lm_sensors deprecated?
[05:43] <levander> xtknight: Well, the motherboard has sensors on it.  This coretemp.c can't add sensors onto the motherboard, it's just software.  It's got to be using the same sensors the BIOS is I'd think.
[05:43] <xtknight> cafuego: the on-die DTS should be supported .  i dont know which sensor my board uses
[05:44] <h3xis> cafuego, i know but that .sys file is needed
[05:44] <cafuego_> h3xis: No, just in the kernel these days
[05:44] <dennister> How come I can't find breezy to download anywhere? can anyone link me...?
[05:44] <h3xis> dennister, it might not be supported :/
[05:44] <bruenig> dennister, why do you want that
[05:44] <bruenig> oh and it should still be supported for 4 more months
[05:44] <xtknight> i mean maybe the BIOS is reading the Natl Semi/etc sensor on the motherboard in another place, and coretemp is reading the on-die sensor.  i have a hunch that theyre both using the on-die sensor though
[05:45] <dennister> i was told it was...cause I'm trying to install it on an old Pentium II that won't handle dapper
[05:45] <levander> After running install-css.sh and installing all the bad, ugly, and ffmpeg codecs, do you then have to reboot to watch DVD's with totem?
[05:45] <normmac> h3xis extracted?
[05:45] <Hazuki> dennister, do you have 128+ MB of RAM in there?
[05:45] <Hazuki> you might want Xubuntu otherwise
[05:45] <bruenig> dennister, install xubuntu
[05:45] <dennister> it's a loaner for some kids who just got their first apartment...have 256 mb ram
[05:45] <h3xis> normmac, yeah, extract it. it should have the .sys file in it
[05:45] <levander> xtknight: Yeah, okay.  Maybe there is more than one set of sensors on the motherboard...
[05:45] <cafuego_> h3xis: if you use the deb you need no extraction, it contains all firmware parts that are needed
[05:45] <bruenig> dennister, dapper will run on 256
[05:45] <Hazuki> dennister, xubuntu might be a better idea anyway...you have the RAM for Gnome but the cpu is a little underpowered
[05:46] <bruenig> dennister, but xubuntu will run more smoothly
[05:46] <dennister> well it's been sitting there for over an hour, doing nuthin
[05:46] <normmac> h3xis got it
[05:46] <mitrovarr> anyone have aiglx/beryl going on a nvidia 8800?  linux support on them is a bit buggy still
[05:46] <levander> cafuego_: I actually misread something you said above.  66F isn't bad.  I thought you meant 66C.
[05:46] <h3xis> cafuego, i dont know where it would put the firmware parts
[05:47] <cafuego_> levander: ambient, not cpu temp.
[05:47] <mitrovarr> my graphics card idles at 60c
[05:47] <Hazuki> good Lord
[05:47] <mitrovarr> I understand that's typical for that model, though.
[05:47] <cafuego_> h3xis: In /lib/firmware, where they need to be <heh>
[05:47] <xtknight> levander: 66F (18.9C) is the temperature of my AC so it should roughly be my ambient room temp
[05:47] <h3xis> cafuego, i dont know man. im just going by a guide.
[05:47] <levander> mitrovarr: How do you know the temperature of your graphics card?
[05:47] <cafuego_> h3xis: I created the .deb, it works fine on my iBook and PC laptop.
[05:47] <Hazuki> my CPU usually idles at room temp and I've seen it hit 43 C when pegged for hours straight...
[05:48] <levander> xtknight: you keep it cold in your room...
[05:48] <mitrovarr> levander:  It has a sensor.  Also, you can feel the second slot on the back of the computer (it's a two-slotter) and it is nice and toasty.
[05:48] <cafuego_> Hazuki: My wife's core 2 seems to be running at 68C
[05:48] <xtknight> levander: i have good circulation :P
[05:48] <h3xis> normmac, sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware <path_to_the_bcwl5.sys_file>
[05:48] <cafuego_> (idle)
[05:48] <levander> mitrovarr: What card is it that has a sensor?  I've been trying to figure out the temp on my graphics card.
[05:48] <mitrovarr> I hear these cards burn 220-280W at load and not much less idle.
[05:48] <Hazuki> cafuego, I've never used a Core 2 Duo, but that sounds really hot for what's supposed to be an energy-efficient CPU
[05:48] <xtknight> you can use NVclock to read graphics card temp
[05:48] <mitrovarr> levander:  8800gts.
[05:48] <levander> mitrovarr: How do you read the sensors? With what program?
[05:48] <xtknight> 7800gt also has a temp sensor
[05:48] <drano> i'm having some problems with the nvidia driver. whenever gdm starts, x fails to start because there is a mismatch between the nvidia kernel module and the nvidia xorg module. however, if i rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia and then start gdm, it works. any ideas?
[05:49] <normmac> same error
[05:49] <xtknight> and 6800 series
[05:49] <levander> mitrovarr: Ah, I've got a 7300.
[05:49] <mitrovarr> levander:  The drivers, but I'm a dual-booter and that's just something I recall from windows.
[05:49] <levander> mitrovarr: Maybe I just don't have a sensor.
[05:49] <cafuego_> Hazuki: Well, the util is somewhat old, so I don't know if it reports correctly at all.
[05:49] <xtknight> levander:  7300 may also have a temp sensor.. have u tried nvclock?
[05:49] <cafuego_> Hazuki: At the same time my amd64 is running at ambient +1 atm
[05:49] <stub1> firefox crashes just after loading many web sites
[05:49] <mitrovarr> levander:  I'll check the nvidia server conrol panel.
[05:49] <levander> xtknight: This box is Linux only, does nvclock run on Linux?
[05:49] <normmac> h3xis same error from the one we jsut moved on from
[05:49] <xtknight> levander: yup
[05:49] <mitrovarr> levander:  It does indeed have a core temperature monitor, even in linux.
[05:49] <h3xis> normmac, hm
[05:50] <h3xis> cafuego, where do i find that .deb you were speaking of?
[05:50] <mitrovarr> levander:  69 deg. C, just sitting here rendering in 2d.
[05:50] <Hazuki> cafuego, do you mind compiling customized kernels? You may be able to find the specific i2c support for the Core 2 Duo in the 2.6.19 kernel
[05:50] <dennister> this is wild...was able to get breezy installed before on this same machine when it still had only 128 MB ram...now bought 256 MB and nada
[05:50] <Hazuki> dennister, do the RAM speeds and types match up?
[05:50] <xtknight> Hazuki: i have the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel and a core 2 duo.  what i2c support do you mean?
[05:50] <dennister> Hazuki: ram types?
[05:51] <cafuego_> Hazuki: Supposedly, but I'ev not found it - also not in 2.6.20-rc2
[05:51] <mitrovarr> levander:  If you did a manual install from the nvidia site (I had to, 8800 drivers are brand new) you'll have an icon for 'Nvidia X Server Settings' somewhere.  Go into there, check under 'GPU 0', there should be a setting for 'Thermal Monitor'.
[05:51] <Hazuki> xtknight, i2c is a sensor type. If you know your mobo, check to see if the kernel supports is sensors
[05:51] <xtknight> oh true
[05:51] <normmac> h3xis i honestly have no idea, it still is showign up under eth0 so you know
[05:51] <Hazuki> dennister, RAM for a P2 should probably SDRAM at 100 MHz
[05:51] <xtknight> Hazuki: ah so you mean for motherboard sensors (not the on-die CPU sensor)?
[05:51] <h3xis> normmac, yeah.
[05:51] <h3xis> normmac, i'm still looking
[05:51] <mitrovarr> levander:  The shutdown threshhold is 110 deg. C, frighteningly enough.  If it got that hot, it could theoretically boil the coolant in a water-cooled system.
[05:52] <levander> mitrovarr: nvidia-gtk is in the repositories.  I just installed it, but don't see a temperature reading in the UI.
[05:52] <Hazuki> xtknight, I think they're basically covered by the same options in the kernel...not too sure
[05:52] <cafuego_> Hazuki: If it's a sub-300MHz it'll use 66MHz
[05:52] <h3xis> normmac, get this and put it on the desktop
[05:52] <dennister> Hazuki: yes, and that's what I bought today: 168-pin pc100 simms, which is what a PII needs
[05:52] <xtknight> Hazuki: the on-die one is stored in a MSR so no new kernel needed
[05:52] <h3xis> normmac, http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o
[05:52] <normmac> i have that
[05:52] <h3xis> you do?
[05:52] <mitrovarr> levander:  You don't see a thermal monitoring section in the menu that pops when you run 'nvidia-settings'?
[05:52] <levander> mitrovarr: Under "Graphics Processor" it does say "Unknown Nvidia card"
[05:52] <cafuego_> normmac: Lets make your life a bit easier.
[05:52] <h3xis> cafuego_, halllppp
[05:53] <xtknight> levander: nvidia repo drivers or latest nvidia ones?  u may need the latest
[05:53] <normmac> h3xis i have it from trying on my own
[05:53] <h3xis> oh
[05:53] <stub1> how do I keep firefox from crashing
[05:53] <levander> mitrovarr: nvidia-settings is a different program, hold on...
[05:53] <normmac> cafuego_ please do
[05:53] <h3xis> stub1, switch to a diff browser :)
[05:53] <cafuego_> normmac: Download and install http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/edgy-cafuego/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.3-1ubuntu2_all.deb
[05:53] <dennister> I actually bought some 64MB simms for this same pc over ayear ago, b4 i bought my new 64-bit system
[05:53] <cafuego_> normmac: it will put the firmware parts where they need to go.
[05:53] <Hazuki> wow, simms...I haven't seen those in ages
[05:53] <dennister> yeah...they're pretty old
[05:53] <levander> mitrovarr: Great! There it is.  I'm running at 55C now.
[05:54] <normmac> cafuego_ ok
[05:54] <dennister> finding a place that still sold them wasn't easy
[05:54] <levander> mitrovarr: What's the program to check it under Windows?  I've got another Windows box running a 6200 card.
[05:54] <mitrovarr> Levander:  Sweet.  Guess you have a bit less of a space-heater going there than I do.
[05:54] <xtknight> my 7800gt idles at 44C :P
[05:54] <mitrovarr> levander:  Um, it's in the new control panel, under thermal monitoring.
[05:54] <dennister> mitrovarr: did u get nvidia-settings working?
[05:54] <cafuego_> as systems blow up, you invariable end up with spare rem :-)
[05:55] <mitrovarr> dennister:  Yes, works great.  I have to use it because the KDE configurator forces me to retarded refresh ratings (51 or 59 hz.)
[05:55] <dennister> cafuego_: great, ship em over :)
[05:55] <mitrovarr> dennister:  err, refresh rates.
[05:55] <normmac> cafuego_ i'm using edgy is that ok
[05:55] <levander> mitrovarr: It's a fanless 7300.  I buy them because they are silent.  I always get the low end graphics card without a fan.  I don't do any real 3D work on my PC.  Probably the most is Screensaver.
[05:55] <aN1> anyone has a kiba-dock-amd64.deb that they can share with me?
[05:55] <aN1> i tried to make but always some problem
[05:55] <cafuego_> normmac: yup, np.
[05:55] <levander> mitrovarr: What's the Windows program to check the temp on an Nvidia card?
[05:55] <mitrovarr> levander:  Ah.  Mine is a serious gaming graphics card, that has adaptive fan management.  The temp is always high but never seems to go up much.
[05:55] <h3xis> cafuego_, after normmac does this then what?
[05:55] <cafuego_> dennister: They're not worth the postage cost <heh>
[05:55] <mitrovarr> levander:  It's an option in the control panel
[05:55] <normmac> h3xis done
[05:55] <cafuego_> h3xis: Reboot, use wifi.
[05:56] <mitrovarr> levander:  The Nvidia control panel.
[05:56] <h3xis> k
[05:56] <h3xis> normmac, reboot
[05:56] <normmac> cafuego_ reboot it?
[05:56] <normmac> ok
[05:56] <levander> mitrovarr: Yeah, if you play games, you got to have a big graphics card... I just don't.  Spend too much time on my PC without games.
[05:56] <dennister> lol...yeah, but i could see the freenet needing some real bad
[05:56] <normmac> rebooting
[05:56] <cafuego_> normmac: Yeah, that;'s the easiest way to unload various module and load them properly.
[05:56] <cafuego_> where properly == with firmware
[05:56] <mitrovarr> levander:  Of course.  At least you have something discreet, not one of those integrated crimes agaist humanity.
[05:57] <dennister> i have a meeting with the freenet's exec director tomorrow, and the city gave them 2000 PII's and PIII's they want to sell at incredibly low rates as a fundraiser
[05:57] <mitrovarr> dennister:  Wow, that's cool.  Are they going to linux them up?
[05:57] <dennister> we may be installing ubuntu on them
[05:57] <Hazuki> *the* freenet, the anonymous network?
[05:57] <xtknight> make a beowulf cluster
[05:57] <dennister> but we'll need breezy...and if i can't find a download site...
[05:57] <levander> mitrovarr: I love having a quiet computer.  If I did start playing games, I'd have to cough up the cash for one of those heatpipe coolers for my video card...
[05:58] <Hazuki> you probably want to run, ardon my bias, one of the BSDs or Gentoo on that cluster
[05:58] <Hazuki> gentoo will take forever to compile though
[05:58] <Hazuki> even with 2000 machines in distcc >>
[05:58] <mitrovarr> levander:  Ah,  Mine is like a jet taking off; I had 12 fans at last count.
[05:58] <mitrovarr> levander:  performance is nice, though.
[05:58] <levander> mitrovarr: I hope you keep that thing under your desk and not on it.
[05:58] <normmac> cafuego_ YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[05:58] <normmac> thanks for all the help guys
[05:58] <cafuego_> Hazuki: Even better, sell them on ebay and buy decent hardware for the profit. Ends up same performance, but far less power use and heat output ;-)
[05:59] <dennister> if i can't get dapper to load up on this PII, we won't be doing these low-income people any favours trying to sell them breezy if it's not going to be supported in a few months
[05:59] <levander> Maybe under the desk is even a bad place, could catch the carpet on fire
[05:59] <mitrovarr> levander:  Oh, no, it's right in plain sight (and hearing.)  I just turn up the music a little.  You get used to it (or your hearing gets worse; not sure.)
[05:59] <h3xis> normmac, it work?
[05:59] <Hazuki> cafuego, would someone really buy that many?
[05:59] <normmac> h3xis thanks
[05:59] <h3xis> yeah
[05:59] <normmac> working google loaded up
[05:59] <h3xis> sorry i couldnt get it to work before :/
[05:59] <normmac> i'll be back from ubuntu
[05:59] <cafuego_> normmac: yay :-)
[05:59] <normmac> question
[05:59] <xtknight> i don't see why ubuntu wouldn't work on a P2
[05:59] <xtknight> very old, linux works great with old stuff
[05:59] <dennister> well, i can't get it to load for some reason
[05:59] <mitrovarr> dennister:  Breezy is the one that with long term support, right?  I'm sure there's lots of downloads for it.
[05:59] <cafuego_> xtknight: Dapper with Gnome likes ram.
[05:59] <normmac> if i reformat at somepoint can i use that last deb i downlaoded to make it work right away
 anyone has a kiba-dock-amd64.deb that they can share with me?
 i tried to make but always some problem
[06:00] <cafuego_> normmac: Yes.
[06:00] <Hazuki> A machine like a P2 probably would do best running a really minimal Slackware or Feather Linux distro, or one of the BSDs
[06:00] <xtknight> cafuego_: true.  itll work, just slow.  that's what xubuntu is for though :)
[06:00] <Random_Transit> hey, i'm having a huge problem with a broken package
[06:00] <Hazuki> preferably OpenBSD if it's being used as a router
[06:00] <mitrovarr> I think ubuntu on a P2 would be pushing it.  Working but slow.
[06:00] <dennister> no, there are lots of downloads for dapper, with long term support, breezy seems to be gone from ubuntu.com site
[06:00] <cafuego_> normmac: Have a look at http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/edgy-cafuego/bcm43xx/  - it has some instructions on how to automatically get updates.
[06:00] <mitrovarr> I'd do Xubuntu or maybe even a minimalistic linux like DSL.
[06:01] <Hazuki> *nods* I've used Xubuntu on my girlfriend's PC (yes, girlfriend, deal with it). It works wonderfully
[06:01] <Random_Transit> i just used update-manager to upgrade to edgy....but it stopped part way between
[06:01] <normmac> wow just awesome
[06:01] <dennister> yes, xubuntu is a possibility...i like kubuntu myself, but that would take even more hardware than ubuntu
[06:01] <Random_Transit> and now i have a broken package that i can't get rid of
[06:01] <h3xis> normmac, a suggestion would be to run sudo apt-get update
[06:01] <Random_Transit> can anyone help???
[06:01] <Hazuki> Random_Transit, the upgrade from drake to edgy is a nightmare
[06:01] <h3xis> normmac, and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:01] <Hazuki> you'd be best off reinstalling
[06:01] <xtknight> dapper->edgy worked flawless for me but i had a clean install
[06:01] <Random_Transit> hazuki....thanks, but can you help me with this??
[06:02] <mitrovarr> I'm having some issues with aiglx/beryl.  Specifically, it freezes up when I try to run it.  Any ideas?
[06:02] <Hazuki> Random_Transit, I'm actually a Gentoo specialist so I've never done the dapper -> edgy upgrade
[06:02] <normmac> h3xis ok i did
[06:02] <Hazuki> but having as close to a clean install as possible is a good idea
[06:02] <h3xis> normmac, cool
[06:02] <Asc> DSL seems pretty reasonable if you need something really light.  It's even Debian based - there's an option in the menu to install synaptic and everything.
[06:02] <Hazuki> if you have a separate /home partition just nuke the rest of the drive with the installer
[06:02] <normmac> is there support for ati mobility radeon 9600
[06:02] <Random_Transit> hazuki, not for me it isn't
[06:02] <Random_Transit> i don't feel like reinstalling all my apps
[06:02] <dennister> isn't that neat tho? 2000 complete PC's (with monitor and 6 mths internet connectivity, etc.) running a variant of ubuntu...for less than $100-$150, for low-income people,
[06:02] <h3xis> normmac, yeah but i dont know anything about it :/
[06:02] <h3xis> !ati | normmac
[06:02] <ubotu> normmac: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:02] <mitrovarr> yes, that's really cool.
[06:03] <normmac> thanks
[06:03] <Random_Transit> so can anyone here help me??
[06:03] <mitrovarr> dennister:  How are you doing the internet?  do they all have linux-capable modems, or you doing some sort of broadband?
[06:03] <Hazuki> Random_Transit, did you set up /home on a separate partition?
[06:03] <Random_Transit> hazuki, yes, but i want to avoid a clean install
[06:04] <eitan> xtknight: okay, finished...rebooting, which me luck
[06:04] <dennister> the city of Toronto gave these pc's to the Toronto FreeNet, so there's dialup to dsl modes available from the FreeNET
[06:04] <xtknight> eitan: good luck and have fun
[06:04] <Random_Transit> i know that sounds strange, but that's just how i'm doing things
[06:04] <Hazuki> Random_Transit, I'm not sure since I'm not an Ubuntu specialist, but at least you won't lose all your home files and settings if you have to clean install; just don't nuke /home
[06:04] <mitrovarr> dennister:  Yes, but if you haven't checked out the hardware, odds are a lot of the modems are winmodems that are not usable.
[06:04] <Random_Transit> i know that Hazuki
[06:05] <Random_Transit> so can anyone here help??
[06:05] <Hazuki> Random_Transit, have you tried the forums?
[06:05] <dennister> that's after all, what the FreeNET is: a publicly funded ISP/charity
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> Random_Transit, i would backup your /home, then do clean install .. .really would make much more sense.. i've experienced your pain and learned
[06:05] <xtknight> this is really pushing me over the edge.
[06:05] <Random_Transit> nomasteryoda, it's just a broken package
[06:05] <xtknight> accompanied by random freezes, any ideas?  [ 7372.794222]  hdf: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request.
[06:05] <dennister> yes, we'll definitely be checking out the hardware, of course...they're still on skids
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> well, Random_Transit then in that case, dpkg-reconfigure 'packagename"
[06:05] <mitrovarr> dennister:  Ah, that's good.  Maybe the ones without modems can be used to set up computing centers or used with libraries.
[06:05] <Random_Transit> nomasteryoda, ok
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> but there are more commands to fix broken install
[06:06] <Random_Transit> nah, the install seems to have gone fine so far
[06:06] <mitrovarr> So, anyone have any idea how to fix an aiglx/beryl install that freezes up whenever I try to run that window manager?
[06:06] <dennister> since they came from the city government's offices, I'm sure they all have nics
[06:06] <dennister> and probably modems
[06:06] <Hazuki> mitrovarr, you may need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[06:06] <[shroom] > There are PIII systems with CRT monitor for $100 or less on at least the Vancouver Craig's List.
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> [shroom] , nice
[06:07] <mitrovarr> Hazuki:  I already edited it per http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AIGLX
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> those are good enough
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> mitrovarr, what card?
[06:07] <xtknight> how do i permanently remove a module from the kernel? ide_cd keeps coming back and my jmicron controller is giving me hell so im trying to remove it for now to avoid freezes.  i put it in blacklist_pata, worked first time but now its coming back again.
[06:07] <Random_Transit> nomasteryoda, the offending package wasn't fixed through dpkg
[06:07] <Hazuki> mitrovarr, not sure what you can do then...try updating to the latest driver version, the 9xxx series?
[06:07] <mitrovarr> nomasteryoda:  nvidia 8800gts
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> ah
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> Random_Transit, what package?
[06:07] <mitrovarr> Hazuki:  drivers are the absolute newest, installed from the nvidia website package.
[06:07] <dennister> remember, back when PII's and PIII's were common, broadband hardly existed...all dialups
[06:08] <Random_Transit> nomasteryoda, courier-authdaemon
[06:08] <Hazuki> mitrovarr, I don't know what to do then...try starting the X server from the commandline with a debug option
[06:08] <mitrovarr> dennister:  You were lucky to get all those nics, then, although good nics are cheaper than good modems.
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> well, what happens with apt-get install courier-authdaemon ?
[06:08] <Random_Transit> nomasteryoda, i've tried doing an apt-get install -f and other methods...and they all freak out
[06:08] <dennister> we'll see once we open the skids...or via the manifest
[06:08] <[shroom] > xtknight: delete the module. :)
[06:08] <Hazuki> kill gdm for good, put the line exec dbus-launch gnome-session in /home/(you)/.xinitrc, and type startx from the command prompt
[06:08] <mitrovarr> Hazuki:  How would I do that, exactly?
[06:09] <xtknight> [shroom] : actually that doesnt sound so bad now lol.  ill just move it
[06:09] <mitrovarr> Hazuki:  thanks, said that before I saw your message
[06:09] <fotoflo_> hey ive got a question about vnc
[06:09] <VMT2007> How do I get Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> to look right in KDE?
[06:09] <Hazuki> mitrovarr, no problem ^^
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> apt-get remove?
[06:09] <fotoflo_> ive got it working
[06:09] <dennister> now I'm just wondering why I can't get dapper to load on THIS PII...:(
[06:09] <Random_Transit> nomasteryoda, tried that too
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:09] <h3xis> dennister, why dapper?
[06:09] <Hazuki> dennister, go with Xubuntu. You can install Gnome later if you want
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[06:09] <fotoflo_> but im controlling the screen of the user logged in on the destkop
[06:09] <mitrovarr> Hazuki:  unfortunately killing KDM on this machine causes it to freeze up completely
[06:09] <Random_Transit> nomasteryoda, can i PM you, so as to get away from the crowd?
[06:09] <fotoflo_> can i set it up to log in a new user ?
[06:09] <dennister> cause i can't find breezy anywhere
[06:09] <bimberi> dennister: what specs (RAM in particular)?
[06:09] <Hazuki> mitrovarr, that sounds like something more serious than an xgl/aiglx problem
[06:09] <levander> Okay, when I put a DVD movie in the drive and totem is opened automatically, the DVD plays fine.  However, if after the DVD is already in the drive, I start Totem and choose from the menus Movie -> Play Movie, I get the error: "Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it."  Anybody know how to play Totem movies after the DVD is already in the drive?
[06:10] <dennister> 256 MB ram, 20G hdd, asus mb. cdrom, floppy
[06:10] <spike723> anyone know how to get a program so it can use the root window?  I'm using 6.10
[06:10] <Hazuki> ugh, brb
[06:10] <mitrovarr> Hazuki:  It does have a bit of bugginess.  I had to do a manual install of the new drivers from nvidia the minute I installed kubuntu just to run X.
[06:10] <basis> anyone gotten a ppc mac w/ bluetooth keyboard to work?
[06:11] <dennister> it just hangs at step 2: loading root filesystems
[06:11] <bimberi> dennister: hm, looks ok
[06:11] <family> hey, how do I make a different user than the initial one ALSO have root sudo powers?  I want to have both my personal account and the family one install applications
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> Random_Transit, look at this thread about half-way down... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/courier-authlib/+bug/64615
[06:11] <nicholaspaul> Is there a good reason why ORAGE, a kde app, won't work in Gnome?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/courier-authlib/+bug/64615/comments/5
[06:11] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  Maybe you don't have the kde libraries?
[06:11] <dennister> i'll try xubuntu
[06:11] <bimberi> dennister: try the alternate CD
[06:11] <levander> family: There's some group you have to add the user to I believe.  The groups name will be in the /etc/sudoers file.
[06:11] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr: do i synaptic for 'kde lib' ?
[06:11] <Random_Transit> nomasteryoda, i'm going to PM you the error i get from apt-get, ok?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:11] <dennister> ok...will try that, too :)...these kids need a pc, goddangit!
[06:11] <bimberi> family: sudo adduser <user> admin
[06:12] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  Well, if you did a synaptic/apt install of the application, it should have had them as dependancies and installed them automatically.
[06:12] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  However, perhaps it missed one, or something along those lines.
[06:12] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr:  yea i did do that.
[06:12] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr:  should it run by typing 'orage' from terminal?
[06:12] <dennister> hell, w2k will run on it, no probs...did with only 64 mb ram, but I don't want to give them winblows...
[06:12] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  Good idea, that way, you can see if the program throws up any complaints.
[06:13] <tonyKUN> what folder does the "wget" command place the files in?
[06:13] <bimberi> tonyKUN: whereever you run it
[06:13] <tonyKUN> terminal
[06:13] <levander> tonyKUN: current working directory, can be overridden with -o option
[06:13] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr:  when i do that it says "** (orage:2322): WARNING **: Orage xfical_add_timezone: no location defined
[06:13] <nicholaspaul> ** Message: Orage build alarm list: Processed 0 events. Found 0 alarms of which 0 are active. (Searched 0 recurring alarms.)
[06:13] <tonyKUN> what about default?
[06:13] <tonyKUN> and what irc clients do you guys use?
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> xchat
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> the real one
[06:14] <theflyingfool> are there any good reasons for me to leave ipv6 enabled, i dont think i actully use it
[06:14] <bimberi> tonyKUN: the default is the directory you run the command in (type 'pwd' to see that)
[06:14] <bimberi> theflyingfool: not really ...
[06:14] <bimberi> !ipv6 | theflyingfool
[06:14] <ubotu> theflyingfool: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[06:14] <normmac> what the best solution for using my ipod with ubuntu edgy
[06:14] <tonyKUN> how do you do the [name] : thing?
[06:14] <bimberi> !ipod | normmac
[06:14] <ubotu> normmac: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[06:15] <kaoz> can anyone help me with some wine questions?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> just use amarok
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> it works well
[06:15] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Orage for XFCE, not KDE?
[06:15] <kaoz> i have wine installed and i need to install the x11 drivers
[06:15] <flaco> hi all.. there is someone expert in networks ?
[06:15] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr: oh darn .yea you're right... oopsy!
[06:15] <bimberi> tonyKUN: type bim<TAB>
[06:15] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr:  so, xfce libs are missing?
[06:15] <[shroom] > tonyKUN: irssi.
[06:15] <kaoz> not quite sure what all i need to install with dapper though
[06:16] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  I just looked it up.  That changes which libraries you need, and makes it a little iffier in terms of running; I know gnome/kde have great compatibility but xfce?  I have no idea.
[06:16] <tonyKUN> AHH! thanks
[06:16] <bimberi> flaco: just ask
[06:16] <tonyKUN> bimberi, thanks =D
[06:16] <bimberi> tonyKUN: :)
[06:16] <fotoflo_> hey does anyone know how to setup vnc so it logs into its own session, rather then hijacking the current desktop session?
[06:16] <flaco> there is a special hardware to create a VPN network?
[06:16] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  Are you sure it's not running?  If it's a calandar for XFCE, it might tie into the XFCE desktop, which means it might run in other windows managers but not show up at all on the screen.
[06:16] <tonyKUN> anyone know how i install codecs?
[06:17] <bimberi> fotoflo_: install a vnc server (vncserver, vnc4server or tightvncserver)
[06:17] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr: i see. I'm running gnome so praps thats the problem. well, i'll just try to find another calendar.
[06:17] <bimberi> !codecs | tonyKUN
[06:17] <ubotu> tonyKUN: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> fotoflo_, something like vncviewer ... 5100:1 or some such
[06:17] <tonyKUN> thanks
[06:17] <fotoflo_> bimberi, is that different from vino?
[06:17] <Elazar> I'm running Edgy in VMware Player and I'm having trouble getting networking to work. ifconfig output (http://bluelyte.sytes.net/screenshot.png) seems right, but I can't get a ping response from machines inside or outside the LAN. Connection works fine on the Windows installation running VMware Player, though. Suggestions?
[06:18] <bimberi> fotoflo_: yes, vino only works for the existing desktop session
[06:18] <xtknight> fotoflo_: vino specifically hijacks your current session
[06:18] <fotoflo_> oh ok
[06:18] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr:  thx for the help :)
[06:18] <_3uG_> does anyone know to fix packages that have errors in the post-installation script (thus preventing the installation of other packages)? it's really annoying
[06:18] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  I hope it was competant.  I don't know for sure that you couldn't use orage, but finding one for your windows manager is probably a better idea, or a cross-manager one.
[06:18] <xtknight> _3uG_: i believe you can tell dpkg to ignore post install scripts
[06:19] <fotoflo_> cook thanks guys
[06:19] <_3uG_> xtknight, i'll have to see what i can do.. thanks
[06:19] <fotoflo_> do i have to turn one off to use the other?
[06:19] <xtknight> _3uG_: other than that youll have to extract the package and fix them yourself.  were these converted with alien or something?
[06:19] <nicholaspaul> mitrovarr: that makes sense. Well, i'll go off and see what i can find. Thx again mate.
[06:19] <_3uG_> nope, official ubuntu ttf-opensymbol package
[06:20] <xtknight> _3uG_: hmm that's odd.  Edgy?
[06:20] <_3uG_> xtknight, yup
[06:20] <mitrovarr> nicholaspaul:  I think the outlook-replacement evolution has a good reputation, but I haven't used it myself.  You might want to try it.
[06:20] <_3uG_> xtknight, apparently a lot of other people have had a similar problem
[06:20] <xtknight> _3uG_: i have it installed now (i guess by stock).  did you have to reinstall iT?
[06:20] <bimberi> fotoflo_: no, they use different ports.  vino uses 5900, *vnc*server uses 5901, 5902 ...
[06:20] <mitrovarr> So, anyone else have the issue where if they restart KDM (or GDM) it freezes up?  Any idea what causes that?
[06:20] <_3uG_> xtknight, it was updated the other day through the ubuntu-update thing
[06:20] <fotoflo_> cool
[06:22] <_3uG_> xtknight, i can't seem to find the dpkg switch that ignores scripts
[06:22] <xtknight> _3uG_: maybe i was dreaming
[06:23] <_3uG_> xtknight, it seems like there should be something.. reading the man file now
[06:23] <Clinton__> is there any way to run apps when the X considers itself "idle" ?
[06:25] <fotoflo_> bimberi: after i install a package (aka tightvncserver) how do i find out where it is?
[06:25] <Clinton__> fotoflo_: dpkg -L tightvncserver
[06:25] <evil_> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu, I'm on the live disc right now. I selected "resize partition and use freed space", but the installation gets "stuck" when I click forward
[06:25] <mitrovarr> could my aiglx/beryl problems be due to running 64 bit?
[06:26] <fotoflo_> Clinton__,  thanks
[06:26] <bimberi> fotoflo_: yep, dpkg -L, or there is a file list in the package properties in synaptic
[06:26] <spike723> ls -arlt
[06:27] <huck> I'm trying to setup xdmcp to use from a 1386 laptop to my 64bit ubuntu desktop... i'm getting a black screen with an X when I try to run it from the laptop... will it not work?
[06:27] <evil_> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu, I'm on the live disc right now. I selected "resize partition and use freed space", but the installation gets "stuck" when I click forward
[06:28] <n2diy_> evil_: how much ram do you have?
[06:28] <evil_> 512
[06:28] <spike723> anyone know how to get compiz going in 6.10?
[06:29] <n2diy_> evil_: that's good, laptop or desktop?
[06:29] <Tigerwraith> can someone help me to get apt to find proftpd
[06:29] <evil_> n2diy: desktop
[06:29] <red> evil_ what kind of pc do you have
[06:29] <jbroome> !info proftpd
[06:29] <ubotu> proftpd: Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0-9ubuntu0.1 (edgy), package size 594 kB, installed size 1532 kB
[06:29] <drano> spike723: good luck
[06:29] <_3uG_> spike723, i believe that automatix bleeder (getautomatix.com) may install compiz
[06:29] <n2diy_> evil_: name brand or generic?
[06:29] <ireneshusban1> Is there an up-to-date and comprehensive list of linux-supported webcams? What I've found is incomplete, out-of-date, or just plain confusing.
[06:29] <erisco> aside from totem... what other video players are there?
[06:29] <Tigerwraith> when i apt-get install proftpd it cant find it
[06:29] <spike723> how about getting a program to use the root window?
[06:29] <evil_> n2diy: its a Dell
[06:29] <red> evil_ what kind of pc do you have?
[06:30] <jbroome> you enable the universe repo Tigerwraith ?
[06:30] <fotoflo_> bimberi: cool i got it working
[06:30] <red> evil_ dell 1501?
[06:30] <huck> Tigerwraith: do you have the repositories listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:30] <evil_> dell Dim. e310
[06:30] <Tigerwraith> hugh@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install proftpd
[06:30] <Tigerwraith> Reading package lists... Done
[06:30] <Tigerwraith> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:30] <Tigerwraith> E: Couldn't find package proftpd
[06:30] <Tigerwraith> hugh@ubuntu:~$
[06:30] <red> evil_ i had the same problem with my dell 1501
[06:30] <Mir> hello all
[06:30] <bimberi> fotoflo_: great :)
[06:30] <evil_> red: How did you go about fixing it?
[06:31] <levander> Has anyone seen this on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs - "You can enable playback of encrypted DVDs with MPlayer, xine and Totem-xine by installing libdvdcss2. Note that Totem-gstreamer can only play a DVD automatically when it is inserted into the DVD drive, but cannot navigate the DVD nor play it by selecting Movie -> Play Disc 'DVD Name' or otherwise. "
[06:31] <Mir> i need some help
[06:31] <jbroome> !repos | Tigerwraith
[06:31] <ubotu> Tigerwraith: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[06:31] <levander> Why wouldn't you be able to navigate to play the movie?
[06:31] <fotoflo_> bimberi, err but its a blank x terminal without a regular terminal or an ubuntu desktop
[06:31] <fotoflo_> ughh
[06:31] <red> check the forums i have a thread there added pci=nomsi to boot param
[06:31] <Mir> can anyone tell me how to write to the dircetory usr/local/
[06:31] <Clinton__> is there any way to run apps when X considers itself "idle" ?
[06:32] <Mir> by draggin and dropping
[06:32] <levander> Mir: you probably need root permission
[06:32] <red> evil_ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299929
[06:32] <Tigerwraith> ok thats not telling me why it cant find proftpd
[06:32] <huck> anyone here good with remote desktop? XDMCP specifically?
[06:32] <_3uG_> Mir, run gksudo nautilus
[06:32] <Mir> so do i have to login as root?
[06:32] <Tigerwraith> do i have to change the source.list
[06:32] <huck> Tigerwraith: probably
[06:32] <ireneshusban1> Mir, you can operate as root by typing "sudo su" at the command prompt
[06:32] <bimberi> fotoflo_: ugh indeed.  That means that it isn't starting things up when the vnc session starts.
[06:32] <Jordan_U> Mir: But be sure to close the window when you are done
[06:32] <Tigerwraith> hmm ok where is source.list in ubuntu
[06:33] <huck> Tigerwraith: you will need to add the deb to your sources list so it knows where to look to find the package
[06:33] <n2diy_> Clinton__: what do you mean by X being idle?
[06:33] <ireneshusban1> There are other ways as well
[06:33] <Tigerwraith> i didnt find it in /etc/init.d
[06:33] <_3uG_> Tigerwraith, /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <huck> Tigerwraith: /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <Tigerwraith> ahh ok thanks
[06:33] <huck> _3uG_: your quick
[06:33] <fotoflo_> bimberi: any suggestions?
[06:33] <Mir> o ok thanks
[06:33] <jbroome> Tigerwraith: are you listening to us at all.  enable the universe repo
[06:33] <fotoflo_> bimberi, maybe ill just stick to vino
[06:33] <_3uG_> huck, nice echo =-)
[06:33] <bimberi> fotoflo_: I'm not sure although I can say that the vncserver package seemed to work straight away for me (in Dapper)
[06:33] <levander> Mir: you need to do some reading  if you don't know what sudo is: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[06:33] <huck> :D
[06:33] <Mir> can i drag and drop now?
[06:33] <ireneshusban1> Mir, type "exit" when you are finished
[06:33] <_3uG_> huck, i've had to type that path a million times.....
[06:33] <Tigerwraith> jbroome enable what?
[06:34] <fotoflo_> k
[06:34] <huck> Tigerwraith: type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and you'll see what we're talking about
[06:34] <bimberi> fotoflo_: otherwise it's digging into the tightvncserver config, which I don't know much about sorry
[06:34] <Tigerwraith> ok
[06:34] <Clinton__> n2diy: when X has not been used for 15 minutes, and wants to start the screensaver, I'd like to run some apps, and then kill them when X becomes un-idle
[06:35] <fotoflo_> bimberi, could it because i've already got a vino session open?
[06:35] <fotoflo_> s/it because/it be because/
[06:35] <Tigerwraith> sorry ive been trying to get ubuntu to work all day and i finally got it working just got frustrated when it wouldnt install
[06:35] <Mir> i am trying to install the latest JRE
[06:35] <Mir> jre 1.6
[06:35] <n2diy_> Clinton__: I have no idea how to do something like that.
[06:35] <huck> Tigerwraith: n/p... there's a learning curve
[06:35] <_3uG_> argh i love the debian package system, but i HATE when it breaks
[06:35] <Clinton__> n2diy_: neither does google...
[06:35] <Jordan_U> Mir: Why do you need to move files then?
[06:35] <bimberi> fotoflo_: i wouldn't think so, but give that a try (disable via Sys -> Prefs -> Remote Desktop)
[06:36] <Clinton__> n2diy: xautolock seems to have promise, but not quite what I'm looking for..
[06:36] <fotoflo_> no go
[06:36] <ireneshusban1> Anyone know about webcams? Is there are popular budget-priced webcam on the market that works well with Linux?
[06:36] <n2diy> Clinton__: The Seti At Home project does stuff like that, maybe you can get ideas from them?
[06:36] <fotoflo_> bimberi, but it appears to be defaulting to desktop 1 instead of 0
[06:37] <Tigerwraith> aye huck there is, but ive been using debian now for a coupel of years, its why i went with ubuntu cause its debian based
[06:37] <bimberi> fotoflo_: what is? vino?
[06:37] <Mir> in sun website
[06:37] <Clinton__> n2diy: they check load values and cpu percentage (I already checked them)
[06:37] <Mir> they says if i wanna install the jre system wide
[06:37] <Tigerwraith> just i found out today that my AMD K6-3 is why alot of distros besides debian sarge woudlnt work for me
[06:37] <Mir> than i have to install it in usr/local
[06:37] <fotoflo_> no tightvncserver
[06:37] <IdleOne> just completed upgrade to edgy. seemed to go well, machine restarted and I saw the ubuntu splash screen then heard the drums and now I have a black screen. what do I do now?
[06:38] <Jordan_U> !webcam | ireneshusban1
[06:38] <ubotu> ireneshusban1: webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[06:38] <fotoflo_> bimberi, no tightvncserver
[06:38] <bimberi> fotoflo_: yes, that's normal
[06:38] <huck> Tigerwraith: oh... well welcome to the club!
[06:38] <huck> :D
[06:38] <Tigerwraith> ok just the universe debs or backports as well
[06:38] <n2diy> Clinton__: Good luck, maybe there is an X programmers channel?
[06:38] <ireneshusban1> Ubotu, thanks I'll check it out
[06:38] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: Completely black or with text on it?
[06:38] <Clinton__> n2diy: not a bad idea, I can always try
[06:38] <jbroome> Tigerwraith: universe to get proftpd
[06:39] <Tigerwraith> yep i put togeather a P3 550 and now ubuntu is working
[06:39] <IdleOne> Jordan_U all black
[06:39] <huck> Tigerwraith: I enabled all of mine... just to have them. you never know.
[06:39] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: What happens when you try to switch to a tty ( ctrl+alt+F1 ) ?
[06:39] <huck> Tigerwraith: but that might enable the upgrades of unstable packages... not sure
[06:39] <IdleOne> Jordan_U lemme try
[06:40] <IdleOne> Jordan_U get a shell prompt
[06:40] <Tigerwraith> dont want to do that, did that and it broke my debian sarge today
[06:40] <huck> Tigerwraith: do what jbroome said then... just the universe
[06:40] <huck> i gotta run... good luck with that!
[06:40] <ireneshusban1> Jordan_U, thanks
[06:41] <pokesmot> Question:  How do i get rid of all the ugly brown bootup, startup and splash screens?
[06:41] <bimberi> !tell pokesmot about usplash
[06:41] <bimberi> !tell pokesmot about splash
[06:42] <n2diy> ! splash
[06:42] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image using !gconf-editor
[06:42] <Tigerwraith> sorry jbroome that link you gave me at first sent me to how to inable services using GUI and im not using a GUI this is just a at home webserver
[06:42] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: Good, try running: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-backup && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh ( after logging in of course )
[06:42] <pokesmot> thanks bimberi
[06:43] <fotoflo_> bimberi, well how do i get a terminal or a menu or something?
[06:43] <n2diy> pokesmot: your welcome. :)
[06:43] <Jordan_U> !sh | fotoflo_
[06:43] <ubotu> fotoflo_: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:43] <bimberi> fotoflo_: does right-click work
[06:43] <bimberi> ?
[06:44] <pokesmot> thanks n2diy
[06:44] <Tigerwraith> ok why is it asking me to put in a CD
[06:44] <Tigerwraith> shouldnt it be getting the package from the web?
[06:44] <n2diy> pokesmot: nada.
[06:44] <bimberi> Tigerwraith: if the CD repository is still enabled it will be preferred, to save you bandwidth
[06:44] <Jordan_U> Tigerwraith: You probably need to take your CD out as a source in your sources.list
[06:44] <Tigerwraith> ok will do
[06:45] <Mir> hi guys i need some help
[06:45] <Mir> how should i install the the jre 1.6??
[06:46] <nethurd> what module does ubutu use for the new MAC framebuffer fonts and resolutions?
[06:47] <Gruppy> whats the ubu equivalent of windows update?
[06:47] <IdleOne> Jordan_U ok done
[06:47] <Jordan_U> Gruppy: Update-manager
[06:47] <MTecknology> I'm having trouble with Gaim - http://www.geocities.com/mtecknology/Untitled.png - I'm trying to use Gaim Beta 5, only MSN accounts won't work.
[06:47] <bimberi> Gruppy: update-manager
[06:48] <bassinboy> does the livecd have memtest86?
[06:48] <Jordan_U> Gruppy: Or sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:48] <IdleOne> yes
[06:48] <n2diy> bassinboy: yes.
[06:48] <Gruppy> thx
[06:48] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: now try: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[06:49] <lanxu> Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> update broke support for themes in package firefox-themes-ubuntu?
[06:49] <bassinboy> n2diy: didn't see it in any options, how can i boot to it?
[06:49] <IdleOne> Jordan_U with the ? or gdm?
[06:50] <n2diy> bassinboy: it should be an option from the boot prompt, maybe hit escape to get to it?
[06:50] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: Either one, since ? means wildcard in a regular expression either will work ( and with ? it works for KDE users also :)
[06:50] <n2diy> bassinboy: what version are you trying to boot with?
[06:50] <IdleOne> Jordan_U ok trying
[06:50] <Gruppy> how do you remote desktop onto a ubu box from an XP desktop?
[06:51] <linuxgoober> Gruppy install vncserver
[06:52] <Gruppy> k
[06:52] <levander> Is a DVD title does say on the box, is it usually wide-screen or full-screen?
[06:52] <linuxgoober> will need to install vncsoftware on the xp machine than not sure what i installed on dads computer
[06:52] <IdleOne> Jordan_U is this a permanent fix or will I need to this next time a boot up? and btw thanks dude it looks great :)
[06:53] <Gruppy> vncserver requires a client to installed on XP box tho?
[06:53] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: That is a permanent fix :)
[06:53] <IdleOne> :)
[06:53] <bassinboy> n2diy: 5.04
[06:53] <IdleOne> Ubuntu Edgy Love Jordan_U be back in a minute
[06:55] <n2diy> bassinboy: ok, I've only played with 5.10, and 6.06. Both of which has memtest86.
[06:55] <MTecknology> I'm having trouble with Gaim - http://www.geocities.com/mtecknology/Untitled.png - I'm trying to use Gaim Beta 5, only MSN accounts won't work.
[06:55] <lasindi> Hi all, if you have a .deb package, is there a way to get it to install and install all of its dependencies automatically? According to dpkg's man page, there's no way to get it working ...
[06:55] <n2diy> bassinboy: They do have there own website, where you can DL it.
[06:56] <h3xis> MTecknology, you need ssl
[06:56] <Jordan_U> lasindi: It should do that by default if the dependencies are available in the repos.
[06:56] <MTecknology> h3xis, I have ssl libraries installed
[06:56] <h3xis> MTecknology, then that's why it's beta ;P
[06:56] <MTecknology> h3xis, is it something I need to specify when I 'make' it?
[06:56] <h3xis> not that i know of
[06:57] <MTecknology> well, i installed then installed more ssl packages
[06:57] <MTecknology> I'll try to rebuild it
[06:58] <aN1> supernoob question how to u make the terminal background black with white words?
[06:58] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: Did you apt-get build-dep it?
[06:58] <cmt^^> Can anyone help me with a script to automatically unpack any .rar-files from a directory with multiple subdir's containing rar-archives?
[06:58] <idleone> Jordan_U: again thanks for the help :)
[06:58] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, no
[06:59] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, i dloaded the tarball and ./configue make checkinstall
[06:59] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: I would try that to be sure you have everything
[06:59] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, how do I do that?
[06:59] <Falstius> cmt^^: find . -name '*.rar' -exec unrar e \{} \;
[06:59] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: sudo apt-get build-dep gaim
[07:00] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: It will get all of the build dependencies for the newest version in the repos which is likely the same as those for the beta
[07:00] <cmt^^> Falstius - so where do I put that to be able to run it at any time, in a .sh-file?
[07:01] <Gruppy> ok,  ETH0 on DHCP picks up the right DNS server address, but only has an ip6 address    (ip4 lan)    ??
[07:01] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, so do that, then rebuild the beta?
[07:01] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: Yes
[07:01] <Tigerwraith> errrr proftpd is going to give me a headache
[07:01] <Falstius> cmt^^: you could just type it in ... replace '.' with the base directory you want to unrar files in.
[07:01] <Gruppy> Where do you set IP4 vs IP6?
[07:01] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, thanks
[07:01] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: np :)
[07:02] <cmt^^> Well yeah, but what if I want a bash command to do that at any time, without having to remember that particular line
[07:02] <lasindi> Jordan_U: oh, ok, then I have an issue with install python-gtk2; I'm trying this on the server version. Is there a reason why this isn't possible to install on the server version?
[07:02] <Falstius> cmt^^: if you want to make it a script, just put this in a .sh file in your path (/usr/local/bin or ~/bin if you've added that): find $1 -name '*.rar' -exec unrar e \{} \;
[07:02] <cmt^^> thank you
[07:03] <Tigerwraith> anyone ever seen this after installing proftpd
[07:03] <Tigerwraith> root@ubuntu:/etc# proftpd
[07:03] <Tigerwraith> ubuntu - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket
[07:03] <Tigerwraith> ubuntu - (Running from command line? Use `ServerType standalone' in config file!)
[07:03] <Jordan_U> lasindi: What exactly happens when you try to install it?
[07:03] <Falstius> cmt^^: but really, you should learn to use find -exec, it is useful in many many many situations.
[07:04] <Falstius> cmt^^: oh, and don't forget to make the file executable (chmod a+x filename)
[07:04] <munjay> hai......
[07:04] <Madpilot> anyone else getting incredibly slow downloads from the main Ubuntu repos right now? I'm down to 22Kb/s...
[07:04] <lasindi> Jordan_U: I get a whole bunch of errors like "Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3) but it is not going to be installed"
[07:05] <lasindi> There are a lot more like that with different packages.
[07:05] <aN1> question how do I make the terminal (in gui) background black with white words?
[07:05] <Jordan_U> lasindi: python-gtk2 is available in the Ubuntu repositories, why are you trying to install from a .deb file?
[07:06] <Jordan_U> aN1: Edit -> Profiles... _> Edit -> Colors
[07:06] <lasindi> Jordan_U: this is my own .deb that I've packaged, but even trying to get python-gtk2 using apt-get directly doesn't work.
[07:06] <n2diy> aN1: right click on the terminal window.
[07:07] <Jordan_U> lasindi: have you tried running sudo apt-get -f install ?
[07:07] <n2diy> aN1: and edit current profile.
[07:08] <jroes> anyone know where I can go for some help with ubuntu-ppc?
[07:08] <jroes> there are a bunch of issues I'm having with my powerbook g4
[07:08] <n2diy> ! ppc
[07:08] <ubotu> ppc is PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers, and now a fully supported Ubuntu architecture.
[07:08] <lasindi> Jordan_U: Ah, it works now, thanks for the help
[07:08] <Gruppy> figured it out,  if virtual server has the nic disabled, then ubu will used a cached ip4 DNS value and makeup an ip6 host addresss
[07:09] <jroes> n2diy: guess you were hoping for a ppc support chan in there? :)
[07:09] <Paragawadhiya> i cant login to my ubuntu system
[07:09] <Paragawadhiya> but i can login as root
[07:09] <linuxgoober> authentication problem?
[07:09] <Paragawadhiya> I tried recovery mode
[07:09] <n2diy> jroes: roger on that.
[07:09] <Paragawadhiya> nono
[07:09] <levander> Why when I play widescreen movies on my widescreen monitor does it not fill up the whole screen?
[07:09] <Paragawadhiya> if it was so,it gives msg invalid usr name pass.
[07:10] <fotoflo_> here is the ultimate question:  how do you sudo in life?
[07:10] <aN1> sorri i was asking how to make the terminal black backgroung with white words any ideas? i asked before but i got disconnected
[07:10] <cmt^^> I just created a bash-script and put in /usr/bin/ but I can't run it.. what to do?
[07:10] <Paragawadhiya> on recovery mode with root login startx command worked well
[07:10] <Jordan_U> jroes: I used to have a powerbook G4 running Ubuntu, what problems are you having?
[07:10] <fotoflo_> is that what the buddha did?
[07:10] <jroes> Jordan_U: well, I can't get my wireless to connect and the contrast and sound keys don't work :)
[07:10] <n2diy> aN1: right click on the terminal window, and edit current profile.
[07:10] <fotoflo_> is enlightenment like.... logging into life as root?
[07:11] <Paragawadhiya> but when i tried with my own user name and gave startx command it says user not allowed to use this command
[07:11] <blanky> GUYS!?!
[07:11] <aN1> n2diy and then?
[07:11] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, should I use make install, checkinstall, or somethign else?
[07:11] <Paragawadhiya> but its recovery mode
[07:11] <Paragawadhiya> 1
[07:11] <Paragawadhiya> all features dont work
[07:11] <blanky> My GNOME doesn't have the borders and stuff, I typed gtk-window-decorator --replace & but it didnt work, what's going on?!
[07:11] <n2diy> aN1: follow your instincts.
[07:11] <Paragawadhiya> though root login
[07:11] <linuxgoober> don't think recovery mode lets startx
[07:11] <blanky> please? :'(
[07:11] <Paragawadhiya> worked for root
[07:11] <Paragawadhiya> 1
[07:11] <Jordan_U> jroes: For wireless use fwcutter , for the others I don't know :( there is a PPC section on Ubuntu forums though, you might search / ask there
[07:11] <aN1> n2diy oh i need to turn beryl off?
[07:12] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: checkinstall
[07:12] <Paragawadhiya> can anyone help me?
[07:12] <blanky> nevermind... *sigh* I fixed it
[07:12] <n2diy> aN1: I don't know anything about beryl.
[07:12] <blanky> Paragawadhiya: what's the problem?
[07:12] <Valmarko> I would lik a little help from you. Some people say that KFE is better then GNOME (the one i'm using). What do you have to say about it?
[07:12] <Paragawadhiya> login problem
[07:12] <aN1> n2diy ok thx got it
[07:12] <aN1> sweet
[07:12] <Paragawadhiya> I cant login to my ubuntu system
[07:12] <blanky> Valmarko: it's KDE, and you can try it out yourself :) sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:12] <blanky> Paragawadhiya: can you please be more specific?
[07:13] <Jordan_U> Valmarko: It is all a matter of personal preference :)
[07:13] <Valmarko> blanky, shoudl I?
[07:13] <blanky> Valmarko: it's the only way you'll know if YOU like it
[07:13] <Paragawadhiya> I can login as root in recovery and use startx to get into GUI
[07:13] <blanky> becuase after all, like Jordan_U said, it is personal preference
[07:13] <Valmarko> tanks :)
[07:13] <Paragawadhiya> but startx aint working for my user name
[07:13] <blanky> Valmarko: it's a big package (meta-package), so it'll take a while to download!
[07:13] <Jordan_U> Valmarko: Wait a second though...
[07:13] <Valmarko> ok
[07:14] <blanky> Paragawadhiya: login as root? you activated the root acount?
[07:14] <elbeto> i don;t kow if you have this problem but checkgmail doesn't work
[07:14] <n2diy> tanks? Who called in the tanks? :)
[07:14] <elbeto> checkgmail doesn't work
[07:14] <elbeto> for me
[07:14] <Maz> hmm would anyone be able to help me?
[07:14] <Jordan_U> Valmarko: If you are using Dapper or below you should use aptitude install though so that it is easier to remove if you decide you don't like it
[07:14] <jroes> is bcm43xx-fwcutter what you're talking about, and how can I point it to my CD?
[07:14] <blanky> elbeto: Hmm...Sorry I Wouldn't know what to say
[07:14] <elbeto> thanks blanky
[07:15] <n2diy> Maz: not unless we know what your problem is?
[07:15] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, Is that error a problem? - I used checkinstall w/o sudo
[07:15] <MTecknology> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/318/
[07:15] <blanky> elbeto: Maybe you can try to google 'checkgmail'
[07:15] <Valmarko> Jordan_U, ok my friend :) tanks
[07:15] <Maz> Yeah its really kind of weird
[07:15] <Maz> i am running a mythtv box and have the ati drivers installed with 3d acceleration on my 9600 Pro
[07:15] <Maz> but there are small green lines across the screen
[07:15] <elbeto> No, I had a problem and I was forced to reinstall gnome and since then some thing don't work as supposed
[07:16] <Maz> anyone know what would be causing this?
[07:16] <blanky> elbeto: ah okay, did you install checkgmail AFTER you reinstalled gnome?
[07:16] <n2diy> Maz: I have no experience with mythtv.
[07:16] <Jordan_U> jroes: Yes, I mean bcm43xx-fwcutter, What I did was install using ethernet ( which should "just work" ).
[07:17] <Maz> its iin ubuntu to
[07:17] <Maz> at the login screen
[07:17] <jroes> I popped in my ethernet cable just now...  working on getting an IP
[07:17] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: You need to use either sudo or fakeroot I bleive.
[07:17] <elbeto> it was installed before and it worked fine, but after reinstalling gnome didn't work again. I've uninstalled ans reinstalled but it still not working
[07:17] <n2diy> Maz: diagonial green lines?
[07:17] <Tigerwraith> anyone here having trouble getting proftp to work
[07:17] <jroes> haha, that's great.  sudo dhclient -1 showed "failed to get attributes of /etc/resolv.conf: no such file or directory"
[07:17] <jroes> it got an IP, but still, that's interesting ;)
[07:18] <madman91> SSH------- How can I check if users can ssh into my computer ?
[07:18] <Maz> horizontal
[07:18] <Maz> the higher the res the smaller they are
[07:18] <madman91> SSH------- What port does ssh use?
[07:18] <Maz> and when i slap my ati rage in its perfect
[07:18] <Tigerwraith> is there another ftp program that i can use besides proftpd
[07:18] <Tigerwraith> ss
[07:18] <Tigerwraith> err 22 madman
[07:18] <Jordan_U> jroes: Do you already know how to use bcm43xx-fwcutter?
[07:18] <madman91> Tigerwraith: use gftp
[07:18] <elbeto> Ubuntu can be a pain in the ass sometimes
[07:18] <n2diy> Maz: lower left to upper right, or vice vesus?
[07:18] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, I jlove you buddy - it's working great now, thanks
[07:18] <Tigerwraith> yes im learning that
[07:18] <jroes> Jordan_U: nope, and for some reason it can't find the package... :/
[07:19] <Maz> n2diy: right to left
[07:19] <jarrod10> you can always go vista elbeto haha
[07:19] <jroes> I need to add extra repos
[07:19] <madman91> SSH------- How can I check if users can ssh into my computer ?... I want to check if ssh works on my computer ..
[07:19] <elbeto> No way Jarrod, I say i love it but sometimes it's painful
[07:19] <n2diy> Maz: I think your monitor needs servicing, I've seen that on regular TVs too.
[07:20] <spartas> madman, try ssh-ing into localhost from the same machiine you want to connect to
[07:20] <elbeto> checkgmail doesn't work
[07:20] <Tigerwraith> madman you can use PuTTY
[07:20] <Maz> n2diy: nope other ati card works perfectly
[07:20] <kaoz> can someone help me with some opengl drivers
[07:20] <n2diy> Maz: then use the other card?
[07:21] <kaoz> i dloaded the newest ati driver for my radeon 9550 on dapper
[07:21] <lasindi> Jordan_U: whoops, I understand what happened now: If I try "apt-get install python-gtk2", it works. If I try "dpkg -i onasow.deb" (onasow is the name of my app), it tells me about a dependency error, and then apt-get doesn't work anymore. I have to do "dpkg -r onasow" before apt-get will work again, and I'm back at square one.
[07:21] <kaoz> compiled the deb fir and the xorg files as the wiki described
[07:21] <Maz> n2diy: the other card does not have dvi out which i am wanting to use
[07:21] <elbeto> checkgmail doesn't work, any ideas why?
[07:21] <Jordan_U> jroes: I used this guied ( and this guides firmware ) to install and it worked http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[07:21] <Jordan_U> * guide
[07:22] <jroes> cool, thanks Jordan
[07:22] <kaoz> everything seemed to install just fine... rebooted and ran the fglrxinfo command and it is showing my card as a mesa
[07:22] <young_> Hi anybody has the problem with firefox after watching flash video?
[07:22] <elbeto> Nope
[07:22] <n2diy> Maz: ok, I don't know what more to suggest.
[07:22] <Maz> ok thanks anyways
[07:23] <Mazus> anyone had experiance with ati 9600 pro?
[07:23] <mitrovarr> alright, now I'm trying to run beryl through xgl, and I get 'Beryl caught deadly signal 11'.  Any ideas?
[07:23] <young_> my firefox always stuck after watching video in youtube
[07:23] <n2diy> Maz: maybe google on your video card and linux would turn up something useful?
[07:23] <young_> and no sound???
[07:23] <kaoz> is there a wine channel?
[07:23] <kaoz> or an ati channel?
[07:24] <Jordan_U> mitrovarr: First, are you sure that your card does not support AIGLX? ( if it does you shouldn't use XGL )
[07:24] <Valmarko> I still dont understand why some people say KDE is better then GNOME. Gnome is really nice and stable
[07:24] <keeganX> Does anyone know if it is possible to install Linux onto a non-modified REGULAR Xbox?
[07:24] <mitrovarr> Jordan_U:  Attempts to use AIGLX (and Nvidia) were even less successful, resulting in full system lockups.
[07:25] <Hatty> keeganX: there is an exploit in the original Mech assault (or some other mech game) which allows you to load executable data as saves
[07:25] <kaoz> i think suse has been installed..... however if u have a slayers evox cd there is a bios boot option to install linux on and xbox
[07:25] <keeganX> Hatty: So I am going to need mech assault to even try it?
[07:26] <Tigerwraith> is gftp a GUI ftp program
[07:26] <Hatty> keeganX: Yeah, and it has to be the original, not the newer one
[07:26] <keeganX> Dang it, I'm screwed then :(
[07:26] <Valmarko> I know. Graphics and personalization :) Just ge t gnome-art :) eh eh
[07:26] <Hatty> keeganX: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=94776
[07:26] <mitrovarr> Jordan_U:  video card is a 8800gts.
[07:26] <Valmarko> GNOME is that sh*t
[07:27] <Tigerwraith> any other ftps out there besides gftp and proftpd
[07:27] <Tigerwraith> for some reason after installing them my ftp client cant connect
[07:27] <jroes> sweet
[07:28] <strabes> hello all. I have a strange problem. I have it set to log me in automatically in system -> administration -> login window -> security.  On boot up gdm logs in perfectly, but if I try to log out and log in again, gdm freezes and just my mouse operates.
[07:28] <jroes> thanks Jordan_U, I've got wireless working now
[07:28] <strabes> restarting gdm does not fix it
[07:28] <strabes> only restarting the computer
[07:30] <kaoz> no one knows about setting up ati cards for opengl?
[07:30] <therealnanotube> Tigerwraith: gftp is a client, proftpd is a server... what exactly are you doing?
[07:30] <strabes> kaoz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Video
[07:31] <blanky> kaoz: what do you mean
[07:31] <kaoz> i dloaded the newest drivers and i am trying to get opengl setup
[07:31] <kaoz> kind of a newb so havin a problem
[07:32] <Tigerwraith> errr anyone here using ubuntu 6.06 as a server
[07:32] <strabes> kaoz: don't use the drivers from the ati site
[07:32] <kaoz> i read the wiki on ati cards and driver install... did exactly as it said
[07:32] <sean> kaoz: i won't even pretend to know what i'm talking about, or even have more than a vague idea of what openGL is, but i think there's an openGL thing in the add/remove software online database thingie... package manager is it called? (see, i dunno what i'm talking about)
[07:32] <spartas> tigerwraith, running it here
[07:32] <kaoz> so which should i use?
[07:32] <Tigerwraith> what ftp are you using spartas
[07:33] <therealnanotube> Tigerwraith: using it as desktop, but run an ssh serv on it ;)
[07:33] <Tigerwraith> i cant seem to get proftpd or gftp to work
[07:33] <Mazus> anyone using a 9600 with ubuntu?
[07:33] <Jordan_U> !ati | kaoz
[07:33] <ubotu> kaoz: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:33] <kaoz> i have a 9550 mazus
[07:33] <Mazus> kaoz can i pm you?
[07:33] <blanky> hey guys, i loaded up the updates manager and it's saying 'not all updates can be installed' and it's giving me an option to do a distribution upgrade. this wont upgrade me to feisty fawn right?
[07:33] <sean> kaoz: try looking in the add/remove programs thing for an openGL accelerator - i saw that when i was trying to install drivers last night, maybe that's what you're looking for...
[07:33] <kaoz> and i know it works because i had it working... then i crashed ubntu
[07:33] <blanky> ?
[07:33] <spartas> tiger, not using any ftp on the server, but i previously was using pro for serving ftp
[07:34] <curs0r> the liflg people are dead wood, anyone know what this could mean? /usr/local/bin/sof2sp: 25: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[07:34] <therealnanotube> Tigerwraith: i had proftpd running, and it was working, some time ago. but i turned it off since ssh was doing just fine for me, and is more secure...
[07:34] <kaoz> yes mazus
[07:34] <Tigerwraith> hmmm not sure how you can copy files through putty
[07:34] <kaoz> thanks sean
[07:34] <Mazus> koaz @ pm
[07:34] <therealnanotube> Tigerwraith: putty also comes with sftp
[07:34] <Jordan_U> blanky: I see no reason it would, but to be sure could you post your sources.list ?
[07:34] <Jordan_U> *pastebin
[07:34] <Tigerwraith> ubuntu - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket
[07:34] <Tigerwraith> ubuntu - (Running from command line? Use `ServerType standalone' in config file!)
[07:34] <therealnanotube> Tigerwraith: so does tho regular ssh client that comes with ubuntu
[07:35] <blanky> Jordan_U: oh, I understand, so only if I had feisty fawn sources right? no I don't, thanks Jordan_U
[07:35] <sean> kaoz: you're welcome to as much of my useless information as you want...
[07:35] <kaoz> yes mazus i am there
[07:35] <compaq> Hey guys, I am not new to Ubuntu, but I am working on switching my mom's PC over from Windoze. Can someone point me where to go to get 3d on a radeon 7200, as even google has not been helpful. I know this would not go here, but I know not who else to ask
[07:35] <kaoz> thanks sean
[07:36] <Mazus> did anyone get green horizontal lines across thier sceen with ati cards?
[07:36] <pokesmot> Q: Can anyone tell me how to view and change VGA color settings,?
[07:36] <cmt^^> How do I get this: "find $1 -name '*.rar' -exec rar e \{} \;
[07:36] <Jordan_U> blanky: I believe that update manager only upgrades between distros if the next distro is stable, if you want to be absolutely sure though run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade because it never touches your sources.list
[07:36] <roscar> I recently added a new harddrive to my computer and it will no longer boot. I suspect this is grub's doing but I'm unsure how to resolve the situation. can anybody help?
[07:36] <cmt^^> to search in subdirs as well?
[07:36] <blanky> Jordan_U: cool, thanks
[07:37] <Jordan_U> blanky: I mean LTS, not stable
[07:37] <blanky> Jordan_U: thanks
[07:37] <roscar> I'm currently using the live cd to boot the machine. both harddrives appear in "places" so I don't think I broke them.
[07:38] <pokesmot> Q: If i wanted to change from 256 colors to 32K colors, how would i do that?
[07:38] <freeride> hello
[07:38] <blanky> Jordan_U: er, in this 'distribution upgrade' it's telling me it's going to 'remove compiz-freedesktop-gnome', thing is i dont want this removed, oh wait, i see that it's going to install compiz-gnome, could this be a replacement?
[07:38] <therealnanotube> cmt^^: hm, find should search subdirs recursively already... that's not happening for you?
[07:38] <blanky> nevermind I think they are replacements
[07:38] <pokesmot> Q: Can anyone tell me how to view and change VGA color settings,?
[07:38] <pokesmot> Q: If i wanted to change from 256 colors to 32K colors, how would i do that?
[07:39] <compaq> pokesmot, ATi or NVidia?
[07:39] <Jordan_U> blanky: probably, that is what dist-upgrade is for, allowing older packages to be removed if they have been replaced with a different package ( whereas plain upgrade never removes anything )
[07:39] <pokesmot> ati, i think
[07:39] <pokesmot> compaq, ati i believe
[07:40] <blanky> thanks
[07:40] <therealnanotube> pokesmot: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, there are config lines for color depth (starting with "Depth") look around there
[07:40] <pokesmot> compaq: all i really want is to know what the current settings are
[07:40] <pokesmot> thanks therealnanotube, i'll try that
[07:41] <compaq> anyone know about my old ATI card? I don't know what driver to use, as the proprietary won't help me; my card's too old.
[07:41] <roscar> can anybody guide me on how to reinstall grub from the live cd?
[07:41] <freeride> linux b hurd
[07:41] <Mazus> Does anyone know why there are green lines across the screen with my ati card? drivers are installed
[07:41] <freeride> it make brain hert
[07:41] <therealnanotube> pokesmot: there should be also a line "defaultdepth" that should be helpful :)
[07:41] <mitrovarr> compaq:  Old radeons use the driver 'radeon' not any of the fgl ones.
[07:41] <Jordan_U> !grub | roscar
[07:41] <ubotu> roscar: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:42] <compaq> mitrovarr, will that give me 3d?
[07:42] <mitrovarr> compaq:  Yep.
[07:42] <mitrovarr> compaq:  Well, it did for me.  YMMV.
[07:42] <normma1> i have a folder with read-only permissions, how do i delete it (sorry i am completely new to this)
[07:42] <mitrovarr> compaq:  It doesn't work for all radeons, though.  What is yours?
[07:42] <therealnanotube> compaq: you might have to change the xorg.conf settings to enable it though, if it's not enabled by default...
[07:43] <therealnanotube> normmal: first, make sure you really want to delete it. :) what is this folder you are trying to kill?
[07:43] <compaq> R100 QD (7200), a real piece. and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not offer that driver
[07:43] <normma1> i just accidentally installed java to my desktop
[07:43] <mitrovarr> compaq:  You need the xserver-xorg-video-ati package to get the radeon driver.\
[07:44] <mitrovarr> compaq:  You might have to edit the xorg.conf yourself.
[07:44] <compaq> mitrovarr, thats no problem. i could have done this a million times for nvidia :)
[07:44] <Tigerwraith> finally figured out what i did wrong
[07:44] <therealnanotube> normmal: run "sudo rm -rf /home/username/Desktop/yourjavadir", but substitute your actual username for "username" and the actual java directory name on your desktop for "yourjavadir". that will remove that folder. sudo will ask you for your user passwd.
[07:45] <roscar> ubotu: thanks, I'll give that a go. Hopefully Yi won't be coming back
[07:45] <Tigerwraith> i think i may go and do a reinstall just so i get rid of alot of packages that got downloaded that i dont need
[07:45] <normma1> ahh thanks
[07:46] <Mazus> mitrovarr are you running an ati card?
[07:46] <compaq> mitrovarr, that package was not found. is it in non-free?
[07:46] <spartas> Tigerwraith: dpkg --get-selections may help (lists the installed packages for you)
[07:47] <spartas> ah, too late
[07:47] <mitrovarr> Mazus:  Not anymore.  I used to use a radeon 7500 on a different computer I used to administrate.  Current computers are running nvidia 8800gtx, nvidia 6600gt, and nvidia 4400ti.
[07:47] <Mazus> ahh Cool
[07:47] <mitrovarr> compaq:  Hmm.  I'm pretty sure it's free.  maybe the name is off.
[07:48] <mitrovarr> err, 8800gts
[07:48] <Mazus> mitrovarr you ever heard of green lines on the screen with an ati card?
[07:48] <snak3> your next one is a 10000xxx i guess :)
[07:48] <mitrovarr> compaq:  I'm showing it being called "xserver-xorg-video-ati" and it's got the little ubuntu icon, and was installed on my system despite not needing it (I bet it's automatic)
[07:49] <compaq> mitrovarr, how would i check?
[07:49] <mitrovarr> Mazus:  I had some wierd visual corruption with the 7500, but it didn't preclude use.  3d was accelerated, the visual corruption was in 2d.... little lines, like you said.
[07:49] <_aa_> hello
[07:49] <_aa_> i had a quick question i was hopin someone may be able to enlighten me on
[07:49] <Mazus> mitrovarr did you manage to fix the problem?
[07:50] <mitrovarr> Mazus:  no... but it was a minor enough problem I didn't feel the need.  Just a minor irritation.  Is yours worse?
[07:50] <_aa_> fyi, i've never used *nix... anyways i just got ubuntu up n runnin last night, real easy install, in the process of getting my wireless nic card to work but of course i dont have the drivers... i've been googling like madsauce and found that i probably should use ndiswrapper but i had a question on the install b/c i don't have net access on this other pc and i'll be installing ndiswrapper hopefully from my usb flash drive...
[07:50] <_aa_> right; so i dl'd the tar.gz file which if i remember right is the *nix equivalent of a zip file... i was curious tho if the install file was going to try to dl the package from the net?
[07:50] <Bepo> hey guys I have a little problem here: originally had ubuntu installed and decided to create a partition for windows. SO i resized my Ubuntu hard drive with the live cd and proceeded with installing Windows, but it looks like it got rid of the Grub. SO I cannot run Ubuntu now, it only loads WINdows. How do I fix this?
[07:51] <Mazus> mitrovarr im using dvi out on my 9600 for mythtv and well livetv is playing the lines go through everything
[07:51] <Mazus> *when
[07:51] <n2diy> Bepo: re-install ubuntu.
[07:51] <mitrovarr> Mazus:  I did escape the issue but that's because when I got my 8800gts, the 6600gt went into my next best computer, and its 4200ti went into the one that had the radeon.   It's been retired (actually it lives in a small, experimental openbsd box that lives in my basement.)
[07:51] <Bepo> n2diy: :( lol is that the only option i got here?
[07:52] <mitrovarr> Mazus;  I wish I could help, but my experience was with ancient 7500 ati cards.  The 9600 probably uses the ati proprietary drivers, which I know nothing about.
[07:52] <FunnyMan3595> Bepo: Have you tried booting off a live CD?
[07:52] <Mazus> ahh thats cool thanks for the help
[07:52] <FunnyMan3595> Bepo: If you can see the linux partition from a live CD, there's hope.  If not, Windows probably ate it.  :(
[07:52] <mitrovarr> compaq:   I'd probably go 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati'.  It'll tell you if you have it and get it if you don't.
[07:53] <Bepo> FunnyMan3595: ah ok... if it did see it what do I do?
[07:53] <n2diy> Bepo: I don't know if it is the only option, but it is the only one I'm aware of. Never install Winders on top of anything.
[07:53] <Bepo> ah sad times...
[07:53] <Bepo> :::shakes fist at Microsoft:::
[07:54] <FunnyMan3595> Bepo: In that case, you'll need to find a way to force a grub reinstall.  If you've got inet access from the livecd, sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub    should work
[07:54] <mitrovarr> It is pretty annoying how bad Windows is about nuking other OSs boot sectors.
[07:54] <blanky> I work at microsoft
[07:54] <blanky> I'm a janitor
[07:54] <compaq> mitrovarr, is that available in breezy? the only references to that are on Edgy and I have not upgraded this box there yet,
[07:54] <spartas> !RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows | Bepo
[07:54] <cmt^^> How come I can't run scripts from my ~/scripts-dir even though I put that path in to my PATH variable?
[07:54] <blanky> I'm using ubuntu as a way to fight back at their low wages
[07:55] <n2diy> ! enter | blanky
[07:55] <ubotu> blanky: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:55] <Bepo> ah ok a so exactly: sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub ?
[07:55] <mitrovarr> compaq:  oh, I didn't think about that!  It's xserver-xorg-driver-ati for you.
[07:55] <theflyingfool> what media player does everyone use
[07:55] <blanky> n2diy: how dare you ubotu me
[07:55] <normma1> what is the easiest way to install things like azures and java rte
[07:55] <blanky> theflyingfool: vlc :)
[07:55] <tenju> wena
[07:55] <blanky> theflyingfool: for music, amarok
[07:55] <tenju> y wea
[07:55] <tenju> jajaja xD
[07:55] <n2diy> blanky: sorry, not. :)
[07:56] <Madpilot> theflyingfool, depends - I use several, for different things
[07:56] <blanky> :(
[07:56] <blanky> :'(
[07:56] <theflyingfool> madpilot: music
[07:56] <compaq> mitrovarr, this will give me 3d? i only get ~200fps in glxgears
[07:56] <Madpilot> theflyingfool, Muine
[07:56] <blanky> I been with ubuntu since 4.04, back when i stole the CD from a magazine at barnes and nobles
[07:56] <theflyingfool> i love barnes and nobles
[07:56] <compaq> stealing free software, that's sad.
[07:56] <blanky> I wasn't actually stealing, I was actually making the magazine (linux) a favor, BECASUE i stole it, i fell in love with ubuntu :)
[07:56] <cmt^^> Anyone has any ideas for why I can't run shell-scripts even though I added the path of my scripts-dir to the $PATH?
[07:56] <mitrovarr> compaq:  I think so.  I'm sure using the radeon driver is a necessary step to getting 3d.
[07:56] <blanky> compaq: :')
[07:57] <FunnyMan3595> Bepo: No guarantees, but theoretically, that should force the livecd to fix your boot system.  Can't say for sure, but the worst I'd predict would be a no-op.
[07:57] <gameover> hi
[07:57] <spartas> blanky, actually 4.10 was the first ubuntu release
[07:57] <blanky> oh
[07:57] <gameover> i need help with ndiswrapper
[07:57] <blanky> spartas: help me here...
[07:57] <mitrovarr> just out of curiousity, how do you get fps readouts in glxgears?  I want to see what mine is.
[07:57] <blanky> Yeah I meant 4.10 that's right
[07:57] <spartas> 5.04 maybe?
[07:57] <blanky> no, 4.10
[07:57] <compaq> xserver-xorg-driver-ati is already the newest version.
[07:57] <compaq> , mitrovarr. but the driver is still not available...? what the hell.
[07:57] <spartas> oh, okay
[07:57] <n2diy> FunnyMan3595: Bepo quit.
[07:57] <blanky> I remember it was 4 point something :)
[07:58] <FunnyMan3595> n2diy: So I saw... after I said that.
[07:58] <gameover> driver installed,hardware present
[07:58] <blanky> i wubuntu :)
[07:58] <mitrovarr> compaq:  What's it say?
[07:58] <spartas> blanky, same here; i just happened to install it at a linux install-fest soon after its release
[07:58] <gameover> but i cant find any interface with wireless extensions
[07:58] <blanky> spartas: cool, I had tried all these other distros trying to be 1337, but I was such a noob, then I found ubuntu 4.10, wait, 'found', and I fell in love with it :')
[07:59] <blanky> I was what made ubuntu so popular
[07:59] <compaq> mitrovarr, what is it that you want to know? what does it say where
[07:59] <blanky> it's me guys, give me some credit!
[07:59] <spartas> riight
[07:59] <n2diy> gameover: what does ifconfig tell you?
[07:59] <Madpilot> blanky, if you just want to chat, #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere, please. Not here, this is a support channel...
[07:59] <gameover> just eth0 and lo
[07:59] <blanky> Madpilot: sorry man, im hyper
[07:59] <mitrovarr> compaq:  When you try to run 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati' and 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-ati'
[08:00] <n2diy> gameover: and "ifup wlan0" ?
[08:00] <theflyingfool> is frostwire in repos?
[08:00] <gameover> no such device
[08:01] <n2diy> gameover: hmm, it ain't working.
[08:01] <Madpilot> theflyingfool, no
[08:01] <Madpilot> !frostwire
[08:01] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[08:01] <cmt^^> I have the following setup: a directory in my home-dir called 'scripts' where I store my .sh-scripts and i've set done 'export PATH="$PATH:~/scripts" ' but my scripts won't run, what can be the problem?
[08:01] <gameover> any clue on how to make it work?
[08:02] <n2diy> gameover: logout, and back in again, and see if you can bring it up.
[08:02] <e1> is there a channel for file sharing like bitorrent and stuff?
[08:03] <compaq> http://www.pastebin.us/10923, mitrovarr
[08:03] <mitrovarr> heh
[08:03] <mitrovarr> I get 25000 fps in glxgears
[08:03] <cmt^^> How do I set my path to work?
[08:04] <compaq> god damn it. even google has not helped me and this is making my mom want her windows back lol
[08:04] <mitrovarr> compaq:  "xserver-xorg-driver-ati is already the newest version."
[08:04] <mitrovarr> compaq:  Go into your xorg.conf and change your driver line to radeon
[08:04] <compaq> omg, duh lol
[08:05] <theflyingfool> is the compression on .ogg worse then that of .mp3?
[08:05] <ootput> theflyingfool: no?
[08:05] <compaq> theflyingfool, i like it better IMHO
[08:05] <ootput> theflyingfool: there are different settings for both encoders
[08:06] <n2diy> how can I change my keyboard layout in a console, without X running?
[08:06] <mitrovarr> theflyingfool:  .ogg is generally considered to have a better compression rate/quality ratio than mp3.
[08:06] <ootput> theflyingfool: iirc, it takes less cpu to decode ogg for playback
[08:06] <keeganX> Anyone know a good distro that fits on a floppy?
[08:06] <ootput> theflyingfool: hence better power consumption?
[08:06] <theflyingfool> oh, the files just seem to be larger after i switched them out of mp3 into ogg
[08:06] <mitrovarr> keeganX:  I don't think there's any but tomsrbt
[08:07] <keeganX> tomsrbt have a gui or no?
[08:07] <blanky> theflyingfool: there's different compression levels
[08:07] <Slart> Is there a good alternative to DVD shrink for linux/ubuntu?
[08:07] <blanky> you probably chose the lowest, which gives you higher quality
[08:07] <mitrovarr> keeganX:  I sincerely doubt it.
[08:07] <blanky> Slart: kmpg2 (http://www.kde-apps.org
[08:07] <ootput> Slart: not on par with dvdshrink (which is a fantastic app, btw)
[08:07] <mitrovarr> keeganX:  Actually it's tomsrtbt.  http://www.toms.net/rb/
[08:07] <n2diy> keeganX: your luck to get a kernel on a floppy, let alone X.
[08:07] <ootput> and no, there's no linux development for it
[08:08] <Slart> blanky: thanks, I'll check it out
[08:08] <blanky> Slart: let me know if you find it, at least that's what I think the name is
[08:08] <Slart> ootput: yes.. but I'm sure something will pop up
[08:08] <keeganX> I have no problem using more than one floppy
[08:08] <blanky> Slart: I have also heard people use dvdshrink under wine just as well
[08:08] <mitrovarr> keeganX:  I honestly don't know why you'd use linux-on-a-floppy, with CD boot distros and USB stick boot distros.
[08:08] <blanky> Slart: http://www.winehq.org
[08:08] <blanky> mitrovarr: school probably
[08:08] <keeganX> My laptop doesn't have a CDrom drive
[08:08] <blanky> keeganX: in that case, does it have internet?
[08:09] <keeganX> No internet
[08:09] <blanky> oh, nevermind
[08:09] <Slart> blanky: that would be one way.. I'll just check the kde app first.. I'd rather go native than through wine
[08:09] <mitrovarr> blanky:  Unless he's using it for comp-sci experiments, I think a livecd would be way more practical.
[08:09] <ootput> there's linux on a floppy
[08:09] <n2diy> ootput: with X?
[08:09] <blanky> Slart: alright, though kmpg2 (as far as I know) isn't as dvdshrink where you simply put in the dvd and it does it all for you, it's easy, but I use it for converting things such as divx videos to dvd format (and in dvd size)
[08:09] <blanky> mitrovarr: he said he has no cd drive
[08:10] <keeganX> http://www.geocities.com/dueze/compaqlte475.html
[08:10] <keeganX> Thats the same laptop I have and he installed slack 7.1 on it
[08:10] <VMT2007> oh my god
[08:10] <VMT2007> 666 newly installed packages with one apt-get
[08:10] <VMT2007> :X
[08:10] <VMT2007> bad premonition about this
[08:10] <n2diy> ! enter | VMT2007
[08:10] <ubotu> VMT2007: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:10] <mitrovarr> keeganX:  Does it have a USB port?  You could use a usb flash drive.
[08:11] <Slart> blanky: hmm.. can't find kmpg2 in the repositories.. it goes by another name?
[08:11] <cmt^^> My path contains every dir I want it to, but my scripts still can't be found, what might be wrong?
[08:11] <keeganX> No USB port :(
[08:11] <Rob-West> does anyone know how to start the FTP daemon
[08:11] <keeganX> I give up :(
[08:11] <mitrovarr> keeganX:  Ok, I guess floppys are your best option.
[08:12] <n2diy> cmt^^: are you in there directory when you try to run them?
[08:12] <FunnyMan3595> Okay...  I've got a dual-monitor setup under edgy with an ATI Radeon 9200 SE.  I started under dapper, and it was working fine.  After the (reccommended method) edgy upgrade I started having the main problem below.  After attempting to fix it seven ways from Sunday (with no success and often causing problems), I'm now using this config: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/319/ .  Looks to me like I ended up with both vesa and fglrx in different places, and
[08:12] <VMT2007> Rob-West: depends, which daemon
[08:12] <cmt^^> n2diy - yes and no, i've tried both in and out of that dir
[08:12] <Rob-West> FTP
[08:12] <blanky> Slart: hold on
[08:12] <n2diy> cmt^^: ok, when you are in the directory you need to use ./filename to run them.
[08:13] <cmt^^> n2diy - in what directory?
[08:13] <cmt^^> :)
[08:13] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Same one as the program.
[08:13] <n2diy> cmt^^: the directory where your files are, ./ basically tells the system to look here, not in the path.
[08:14] <Slart> blanky: well. there's an installer on the official site.. I'll try that
[08:14] <cmt^^> n2diy - well it still doesn't work
[08:14] <blanky> Slart: you probably didn't search correctly, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29587
[08:14] <blanky> I said kmpg2
[08:15] <n2diy> cmt^^: and these are bash scripts?
[08:15] <cmt^^> n2diy - josef@josef:~/Film...Serier/serier/Over There$ ./movehere
[08:15] <cmt^^> bash: ./movehere - Command not found
[08:15] <cmt^^> shellscripts
[08:15] <cmt^^> .sh
[08:15] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Try ls -l movehere
[08:15] <Slart> blanky: apt-cache search kmpg2 gives me nothing.. but I found the homepage.. I'll get it there..
[08:15] <cmt^^> don't know the difference
[08:16] <cmt^^> FunnyMan3595 - i've done chmod a+x movehere.sh if that's what you're wondering
[08:16] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^ You need the extension on the file name when you try to run it.
[08:16] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Yup.
[08:16] <blanky> Slart: I told you to look in kde-apps.org, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29587
[08:16] <n2diy> cmt^^: I didn't think spaces where legal in naming a directory? And the $ is suspect too.
[08:17] <cmt^^> n2diy - well that's hardly the issue here, is it?
[08:17] <FunnyMan3595> n2diy, cmt^^: Spaces are legal but can cause problems.
[08:17] <Dasnipa`> n2diy, spaces are legal only if they are \'ed
[08:17] <berent> how to check ram properties in ubuntu
[08:17] <Dasnipa`> this\ is\ a\ space
[08:17] <cmt^^> that doesn't seem to be the problem though I don't think.. spaces or not, the system still can't find the .sh-file
[08:17] <berent> how to check ram properties in ubuntu
[08:18] <cmt^^> even when doing ./movehere.sh
[08:18] <n2diy> Dasnipa`: shouldn't that be this \ \ is a space?
[08:18] <Dasnipa`> n2diy, yeah well...
[08:18] <Dasnipa`> cmt^^, will you pastebin your script?
[08:18] <cmt^^> sure
[08:18] <Dasnipa`> i have a thought
[08:19] <seanj> berent: i usually use the 'free' command
[08:19] <berent> seanj : free shows              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:19] <berent> Mem:        255424     248576       6848          0      10152     111596
[08:19] <berent> -/+ buffers/cache:     126828     128596
[08:19] <berent> Swap:       979924       1124     978800
[08:20] <FunnyMan3595> !pastebin | berent
[08:20] <ubotu> berent: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:20] <berent> sorry
[08:20] <berent> oops
[08:20] <n2diy> ! pastebin | berent
[08:20] <FunnyMan3595> No problem, just remember it later.
[08:20] <cmt^^> Dasnipa` - http://pastebin.se/5362
[08:20] <Mir> hi could anybody plz help me?
[08:20] <cmt^^> oh
[08:20] <cmt^^> FunnyMan3595 - http://pastebin.se/5362
[08:20] <Mir> i am stuck
[08:20] <cmt^^> :)
[08:20] <ootput> Mir: tried using grease?
[08:21] <berent> seanj : i wanna know the make and other properties of RAM
[08:21] <berent> is there any command
[08:21] <Mir> hi ootput
[08:21] <ootput> berent: I don't think that's coded into the ram
[08:21] <Mir> what is grease?
[08:21] <cmt^^> it's a lubricant
[08:21] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Hmm...  Try: ls /bin/bash
[08:21] <berent> ootput : valid point
[08:21] <n2diy> cmt^^: Loose the line numbers!
[08:22] <FunnyMan3595> n2diy: Artifact of pastebin, I believe.
[08:22] <berent> then is there no way to get into the device
[08:22] <VMT2007> what?
[08:22] <n2diy> FunnyMan3595: Ah ok. ?
[08:22] <Mir> how should i install the jre 1.6?
[08:22] <cmt^^> FunnyMan3595 - and look for what?
[08:22] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: If it gives anything but an error, that's good.
[08:22] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Though a directory listing would be bizarre.
[08:23] <cmt^^> it just displays the /bin/bash
[08:23] <user2008> anyone know how to disable the <shift> backspace logout issue?
[08:23] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^ Okay, so that's definitely there...
[08:23] <cmt^^> well yeah
[08:23] <cmt^^> the script has worked occasionally
[08:23] <Dasnipa`> cmt^^, are you about to run it locally with ./ ?
[08:23] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: O.o
[08:23] <berent> exit
[08:23] <n2diy> FunnyMan3595: cmt^^, how does bash play with blank lines?
[08:24] <cmt^^> I think you guys were right
[08:24] <cmt^^> it's the spaces that mess everything up
[08:24] <blanky> hey guys, how do I move a window to another wordspace?
[08:24] <blanky> nevermind I got it
[08:24] <cmt^^> i tried tab-completing moveh<tab> from a non-spaced dir
[08:24] <cmt^^> and it worked
[08:24] <grndslm> can somebody help me figure out why my new monitor won't work...ACER AL2216W with Intel i815 graphics??  i've tried using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it autodetects and all...i've tried using all resolutions and all different bits...
[08:24] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Hmm.
[08:25] <VMT2007> time to see if I can get this stupid wireless adapter working
[08:26] <cmt^^> FunnyMan3595 - Now to the real problem
[08:26] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Try a hello world script in the same location, just as a sanity check.  If that works, it's something internal to the script that needs to be encased in double quotes or otherwise safeguarded against spaces.
[08:26] <Dasnipa`> cmt^^, yes, when passed as a parameter the space would mean the next word is in $2 and not $1
[08:26] <mitrovarr> is beryl better than compiz?  I've been trying to get them working today
[08:27] <ootput>  Is there a way to remove subtitles from subtitled AVI's?
[08:27] <cmt^^> how do I collect all files of a specified type, say *.avi, and move them to the dir where the script is run from?
[08:27] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: On second thought, Dasnipa`s probably got it...
[08:27] <cmt^^> FunnyMan3595 - I just did mv Over\ There/ Over.There
[08:27] <cmt^^> :)
[08:27] <ootput> cmt^^: use locate?
[08:28] <cmt^^> FunnyMan3595 - how about it, any ideas?
[08:28] <cmt^^> FunnyMan3595 - can I priv-msg you?
[08:29] <n2diy> cmt^^: we're trying to nail down your problem, and now it is a moving target! ;)
[08:29] <Dasnipa`> it would have to be something like for $a in locate *.avi do mv $a .
[08:29] <cmt^^> well
[08:29] <blanky> ootput: doubt it, if the subtitles are already in the AVI, well, consider them part of the frames I guess
[08:29] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: I'd have no problem with that, but that moves it off the record, which is searchable in case someone else needs to do it later.
[08:29] <Acidic`> Hi, im having trouble with the GRUB bootloader, I'm unfamiliar with the interface and It's not recognizing my windows installation
[08:29] <cmt^^> find worked just fine when locating .rar-files in any subfolder and extracting them
[08:29] <blanky> Acidic`: gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:30] <blanky> no wait
[08:30] <blanky> Acidic`: no wiat
[08:30] <cmt^^> i have a script for that
[08:30] <Acidic`> ok
[08:30] <blanky> hey guys, hwat's that one command to make grub 're-check' the partitions
[08:30] <blanky> you know, to check which ones are there and what not
[08:30] <cmt^^> shouldn't I be able to rebuild it to move files instead of un-raring them?
[08:30] <blanky> Acidic`: you're sure you didn't erase it accidentally?
[08:30] <macogw> in /etc/grub/device.map you mean?
[08:30] <blanky> Acidic`: do you know if it's still there?
[08:30] <mneptok> blanky: grub-install
[08:30] <blanky> macogw: nah I mean, someone once told me this command, yea hthat mneptok
[08:30] <Acidic`> blanky: i haven't touched the disk that it was on
[08:30] <blanky> Acidic`: try grub-install
[08:30] <Acidic`> its on a seperate SATA drive
[08:31] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Yeah, but be warned that duplicate file names will collide when moving in from separate directories.
[08:31] <mneptok> blanky: +sudo
[08:31] <blanky> Acidic`: that might be the problem, unfortunatel I have no experience with SATA drives
[08:31] <elyon> Could someone please help me install GimpShop from a tarbell?
[08:31] <blanky> Acidic`: Ask "Can someone help me make grub recognize my Windows install on my seperate SATA drive?"
[08:31] <icheyne> why aren't my settings being saved between sessions? When I reboot, I have to reopen all my apps and change my screen resolution.
[08:31] <Acidic`> Can someone help me make grub recognize my  Windows install on my seperate SATA drive?
[08:31] <Acidic`> blanky: ty :)
[08:32] <FunnyMan3595> elyon: It's tarball, and you should tell us what stage you're at.
[08:32] <blanky> IceTox: gnome?
[08:32] <blanky> Acidic`: no problem, just hope people help you
[08:32] <FunnyMan3595> elyon: Have you tried anything with it yet?
[08:32] <blanky> icheyne: gnome?
[08:32] <icheyne> blanky: what do you mean?
[08:32] <elyon> FunnyMan3595 - no.  I just downloaded the archive and opened it... lots of files.
[08:32] <blanky> icheyne: what are you running, GNOME?
[08:32] <icheyne> blanky: yes I am
[08:32] <elyon> ...FunnyMan3595 - but I found an INSTALL file in it :/
[08:32] <blanky> icheyne: ah okay, hmm...you only have one user?
[08:32] <mitrovarr> Acidic':  What exactly do you mean?  Is there not an entry for it in the menu?  Or does it not work?
[08:33] <Acidic`> mitrovarr: no entry
[08:33] <icheyne> blanky: no, three, but I only use this one
[08:33] <blanky> icheyne: hmm, do you have the same problems with the others?
[08:33] <FunnyMan3595> elyon: Read it.
[08:33] <icheyne> blanky: dunno
[08:33] <FunnyMan3595> elyon: It's just a text file.
[08:33] <icheyne> blanky: should I check?
[08:33] <cmt^^> FunnyMan3595 - well how do I do it? :| The unpack.sh-script looks like this: http://pastebin.se/5363
[08:34] <blanky> icheyne: Sorry, I'm not sure, that might help, checking I mean, see if there are conflicts, though I Doubt it, honestly I don't know, maybe try asking in #gnome? or try asking here again
[08:34] <elyon> FunnyMan3595 - Yeah, I opened it right after I asked the question in here... I was premature asking for help... just with so many files I didn't see it at first.  Sorry.
[08:34] <cmt^^> How do I modify it to move files rather than unpack?
[08:34] <blanky> Acidic`: and you tried 'sudo grub-install' right?
[08:34] <icheyne> ok thanks blanky I'll ask at #gnome
[08:34] <mitrovarr> Acidic':  You could just make one.  The menu is stored in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:34] <FunnyMan3595> elyon: No problem.  Speak up if you have problems.
[08:34] <Acidic`> blanky: yes, but there is no execution.. it needs extra parameters
[08:34] <blanky> mitrovarr: he's using SATA drives, and I doubt he knows how to edit that file
[08:34] <mitrovarr> blanky:  I was going to tell him :-)
[08:35] <Acidic`> mitrovarr: Ok, im very unfamiliar with boot loaders though. How will I be sure of what to do?
[08:35] <Lithe>
[08:35] <blanky> mitrovarr: o sorry :(
[08:35] <blanky> Lithe: ?
[08:35] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: *hasn't forgotten you*
[08:35] <cmt^^> Sweet.
[08:35] <cmt^^> :}
[08:35] <elyon> FunnyMan3595 - Well, the install file says NOT to build the software myself unless I'm experienced with it - which I'm obviously not lol
[08:36] <[Lithe] > help
[08:36] <FunnyMan3595> elyon: That means one of two things.  a: It's actually hard.  b: The maintainer doesn't want to deal with anyone who needs help.
[08:36] <[Lithe] > ..    )
[08:36] <[Lithe] > -man
[08:37] <[Lithe] > man irc =)))
[08:37] <jdhoreotg> i have a question: i used XGL/Compiz (i think) on a Kororaa Live CD (about 6-9 months old) with my NVidia Geforce 420 Go card and it worked flawlessly...i try to run it on Ubuntu and it runs like crap...why?
[08:37] <Acidic`> mitrovarr: I'm looking at the general syntax of the entries in menu.lst, and im not entirely sure how to add a partition from a sata drive that would work
[08:37] <[Lithe] > it's russian chanel ?
[08:37] <jdhoreotg> *Ubuntu HD Install
[08:37] <elyon> FunnyMan3595 - well, its telling me to install a bunch of stuff I don't know how to do.  So maybe I'll just struggle through learning Gimp
[08:38] <FunnyMan3595> elyon: There's apparently a package for it for debian
[08:38] <FunnyMan3595> !gimpshop | elyon
[08:38] <ubotu> elyon: gimpshop is a hack that makes The Gimp look and feel more like Photoshop.  A .deb for Ubuntu is available via http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
[08:38] <elyon> FunnyMan3595 - oh, thank you!
[08:38] <mitrovarr> Acidic':  The entry in my menu.lst that boots my windows partition (on a SATA drive) is http://pastebin.com/850101
[08:38] <Bepo> Hey guys I got grub loading but it now doesnt see my Windows parition. I originall installed Ubuntu then installed Windows. But it got rid of my grub menu. Went in and reinstalled grub. But now it doesn see my windows parition, and therefore I can't boot into windows.
[08:39] <FunnyMan3595> cmt^^: Okay, as long as the directory is getting passed in as one parameter (i.e. spaces protected), $1 should work.
[08:39] <mitrovarr> Acidic':  The main thing is to get the root entry correct.  I don't think there's anything special you need to do in the entry because the drive is SATA; at least, I didn't have to.