[00:00] <subcool> jeremy31: In Audio Volume settings - which tab?
[00:00] <subcool> devices, applications, advanced
[00:00] <jeremy31> subcool: Sound Settings
[00:02] <subcool> jeremy31: thats where im brought when i goto setting.
[00:02] <subcool> right click the speaker, settings
[00:02] <jeremy31> subcool: the best luck I had was to install blueman, connect to the audio device, use blueman to switch audio profile to off, then disconnect, reconnect and switch to A2DP
[00:02] <subcool> Audio Volume settings.
[00:03] <subcool> i tried that when i was running debian.
[00:04] <jeremy31> subcool: It was the only thing I found that worked unless I deleted the pairing then paired again
[00:04] <subcool> ive tried that too with debian. i ended up just install kubuntu - i couldnt find any help.
[00:04] <subcool> and its done it again.
[00:05] <frank1e> Quick question: Is #wine the official channel of WineHQ.org? Asking because it's invite only and I need someone to help me with Winetricks.
[00:05] <jeremy31> A normal speaker works great, but a headset with a microphone and volume control has issues
[00:05] <subcool> jeremy31: thanks - blueman i think brought it back.
[00:05] <oerheks> i fixed bt problems with ppa:bluetooth/bluez 5.5
[00:06] <subcool> Thats what set me off- i have a JBL flip , and the audio profile went missing- RIGHT after my Beats one did. I usually only setup earsink ...
[00:06] <subcool> oerheks: adding a ppa? im sorry, im bit slow to the catch.
[00:08] <oerheks> this ppa gives a newer version, https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive/ubuntu/bluez
[00:08] <npx> Okay. 5.4.20-12-lowlatency works with the iwlwifi backport and the proprietary nvidia drivers. Hashtag winning.
[00:08] <oerheks> carefull with ppa's we always warn..
[00:08] <subcool> Thanks...
[00:09] <subcool> jeremy31: THANKS!
[00:09] <subcool> time to make dinner- :)
[00:47] <geekPanther> I got struck into Ubuntu login Loop. What can I do now? I googled and it explained on owing Xauth files but I cannot find the .Xauthority file in my User's home folder. Can anyone please help me?
[00:48] <jardinss> sarnold: I did the hwe update now uname is <IP_ADDRESS> and.... NO MORE CURSOR! :)
[00:48] <sarnold> jardinss: is that good or bad?
[00:49] <jardinss> bad :\ glad you're still here
[00:49] <jardinss> the mouse is still functionnal but the cursor is gone
[00:49] <Bashing-om> geekPanther: A check: What shows ' ls -al .Xauthority ' ?
[00:50] <sarnold> jardinss: do you have funny video drivers that need to be rebuilt or similar?
[00:50] <geekPanther> Bashing-om: "No such files or folder" It does not exist
[00:50] <Wally> You need to be in ~/ to run that command Bashing-om
[00:51] <jardinss> sarnold: perhaps, perhaps! how would I verify that?
[00:51] <Wally> I mean geekPanther ;)
[00:51] <sarnold> jardinss: what's lspci say for your videocard?
[00:52] <Bashing-om> Wally: true ! geekPanther ^^ .
[00:53] <geekPanther> Wally: No, There is on such files. I even tried to "find / -name "Xauthority" -type f" but nothing found. The file does not exist on my box
[00:53] <jardinss> Xeon 5600 series
[00:53] <Wally> jardinss that's your processor
[00:53] <Wally> Lemme guess, you're on a HP Proliant MicroServer?
[00:53] <sarnold> the file name is .Xauthority not Xauthority
[00:53] <jardinss> Meh. right. Poweredge r410
[00:54] <geekPanther> Yeahm I tried both of them. BUt not found
[00:54] <geekPanther> Can I manually touch it?
[00:54] <oerheks> ls -ls
[00:54] <sarnold> geekPanther: no; it is specially formatted binary data
[00:54] <geekPanther> Can anyone of you guys termbin the Xauth's content. I will try to touch it and put that in and try that
[00:54] <oerheks> or ls -la
[00:54] <jardinss> AH lol -- Matrox MGA G200eW WPCM450
[00:55] <geekPanther> Oh, Really? Not a file?
[00:55] <sarnold> jardinss: holy moly I think I had a matrix g200 back around 2000...
[00:56] <jardinss> sarnold: hey no need to rub it in :P
[00:56] <sarnold> jardinss: is it a BMC board or similar?
[00:57] <jardinss> sarnold: No idea - its an old server, Poweredge R410
[01:00] <npx> So, yeah, another happy customer! 5.4.0-12-lowlatency works great with nvidia drivers and the iwlwifi backport. I don't think I need -lowlatency, my laptop has 12 cores and 24gb of RAM, but I want relentless snappiness and this feels great to use.
[01:01] <sarnold> jardinss: iirc I had to change the 'HWCursor' in the mga driver http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/eoan/en/man4/mga.4.html
[01:01] <sarnold> npx: nice nice
[01:02] <shachaf> Is there any plan to stop using libgtk3-nocsd in Ubuntu ever for people who don't use GNOME?
[01:02] <npx> as an aside, the on-demand PRIME profile in nvidia-settings basically just uses intel graphics and lets CUDA apps work. The performance mode is more or less unusable due to artifacts and screen tearing, but intel graphics work great so *shrug*
[01:03] <shachaf> It's a ridiculous solution to a ridiculous problem. I thought it was a temporary hack but it's been around for years by now.
[01:04] <shachaf> Maybe people are just OK with having an LD_PRELOAD at all times?
[01:05] <npx> Do you actually use LD_PRELOAD or does the libgtk3-nocsd thing just satisfy the libgtk3 symbols?
[01:05] <npx> I use KDE and am totally unfamiliar with this
[01:06] <geekPanther> I solved it by $startx command
[01:06] <shachaf> The package sets up LD_PRELOAD automatically.
[01:06] <geekPanther> Not sure if it will not come again
[01:07] <shachaf> It replaced a GTK3 function with a wrapper that disables client-side decorations.
[01:07] <sarnold> shachaf: oh cool, thanks, I hadn't seen this before
[01:07] <shachaf> It got enabled automatically when I used a non-GNOME window manager.
[01:08] <Bashing-om> geekPanther: The .Xauthority file will not exist if the GUI has not been started.
[01:08] <shachaf> I really don't get it. Packagers have access to the source, why not just disable it directly rather than automatically enabling an LD_PRELOAD thing?
[01:09] <npx> I don't consider LD_PRELOAD a terrible hack, it's just the way symbol resolution works
[01:09] <shachaf> The package itself describes itself as a hack.
[01:09] <Bashing-om> geekPanther: What shows now ' echo $XAUTHORITY ' ?
[01:10] <shachaf> LD_PRELOAD means a bunch of error messages when things get run in a slightly unusual way (for example I have some packages installed via Nix and they print lots of errors about LD_PRELOAD).
[01:10] <shachaf> And it means many pages of output every time I strace a trivial program.
[01:11] <shachaf> I mean, this isn't about symbol resolution, it's about disabling a feature. Replacing symbols in a library with different code to disable a feature seems pretty hacky to me.
[01:13] <npx> What would be better? An alternative build of libgtk3 that disabled client side decorations entirely? Then you'd have binary choice between a system that supported CSD or not. With the LD_PRELOAD approach, you can have both.
[01:13] <shachaf> Maybe something based on an environment variable that wasn't LD_PRELOAD?
[01:13] <shachaf> GTK_CSD=1
[01:14] <npx> so a specific environment variable for a specific library is less hacky than a well known environment variable that has worked for 20+ years? :D
[01:14] <sarnold> npx: but why should code be injected into ls and head and less and bash and so on..
[01:14] <shachaf> ...Yes? You have to put in the name of a specific library that knows about your other specific library.
[01:14] <shachaf> And moreover $GTK_CSD is set anyway by the same thing that stes LD_PRELOAD.
[01:15] <npx> The LD_PRELOAD won't be relevant to anything that isn't trying to resolve the relevant symbols
[01:15] <shachaf> The same people are shipping libgtk3 and libgtk3-nocsd. They can just patch the program if they want this.
[01:15] <shachaf> I don't really care how it's made configurable. It can also be a GTK configuration option, since it has trillions of those anyway.
[01:16] <npx> so, e.g., ls and head and less and bash won't use libgtk3 at all just like the value of $CC doesn't matter to them
[01:16] <shachaf> But you're not going to start putting every configuration option in LD_PRELOAD, that's just absurd. My LD_PRELOAD is completely empty other than this one thing.
[01:17] <npx> I haven't heard their justification for doing it this way but I'd imagine there has been some thought about it... not sure though, first I've heard of this
[01:24] <jardinss> sarnold: what am I supposed to do with the mga.4 file? is this updated in the bios?
[01:24] <npx> shachaf, without looking at the code for libgtk3-nocsd I think your approach would be a pretty trivial patch, just call getenv() and check for $GTK_CSD, hack it up bruh
[01:25] <shachaf> Yep.
[01:25] <sarnold> jardinss: that's probably the driver that your X11 is using; you'd configure the driver with an xorg.conf configuration snippet
[01:27] <jardinss> yup yup got it thank you
[01:27] <jardinss> learning lot of new stuff tonight..
[01:28] <jardinss> kinda hoping im not wasting my time with this oldhardware but hey..
[01:28] <sarnold> jardinss: Xorg -configure    may help you get enough of a framework configuration to change that configuration option
[01:35] <Sven_vB> one of my USB thumbdrives seems to get prone to I/O errors when programs write too much data in too short timespan. is there a way to slow it down?
[01:36] <jardinss> what a world internet is
[01:37] <sarnold> Sven_vB: hopefully useful to you https://github.com/lxc/lxd/blob/master/doc/storage.md#io-limits
[01:37] <Sven_vB> albeit I wonder, because those I/O errors never happen with f3write/f3read, and afaik f3write writes as fast as it can. makes me doubt whether the thumbdrive uses an alternate "storage" method for those.
[01:37] <Sven_vB> sarnold, thanks!
[01:38] <sarnold> Sven_vB: there's also a /sys/block/*/queue/ directory with a LOT of options for controlling disk IO on a device
[01:39] <sarnold> Sven_vB: there might be something there that you can do to try to slow things down, maybe limit the outstanding queue size, or something similar
[01:41] <Sven_vB> thanks for that, too!
[01:45] <TryHard01> Hey all..my apt-get remove libvirt-daemon-system is stuck...any ideas how to get it unstuck?
[01:46] <TryHard01> Removing libvirt-daemon-system (5.4.0-0ubuntu5) << thats where its been sitting for a while now
[01:48] <TryHard01> I'm on ubuntu 19.10. Was trying to get KVM running but no luck so I decided to remove it and try something else
[01:48] <Sven_vB> TryHard01, you could try to find its process id and attach strace
[01:48] <TryHard01> ok so I'm looking for the process "apt"? not sure what attach strace means sorry...
[01:48] <Sven_vB> TryHard01, you could also investigate its open file handles via the /proc fs
[01:49] <Sven_vB> actually before you do that advanced investigation, have you checked syslog and logs from apt/dpkg already?
[01:50] <TryHard01> Sven_vB, I'm really new to linux so I haven't tried any of that
[01:50] <Sven_vB> oh ok :)
[01:51] <TryHard01> Sven_vB, I have a feeling its related to a command I ran following the kvm install article
[01:51] <TryHard01> Sven_vB, sudo adduser `id -un` libvirt
[01:51] <Gigabitten> hmm, this is frickin weird. I'm trying to paste or drag an image into Discord. Copying the image to my clipboard works fine, but if I try to drag it over from nautilus the upload fails for some reason. If I use Discord's file browser thing for choosing a file, it doesn't seem to like finding stuff, though it has no trouble traversing directories.
[01:51] <Gigabitten> Is there some tool that can help me out here, or a setting I can change or something? I could also try testing other contexts where I'm dragging files around to see if those work
[01:51] <Gigabitten> lemme do that
[01:52] <Sven_vB> TryHard01, that only adds the sudo-ing user to a user group. worst that could happen is the group cannot be deleted and so it's left over after uninstall.
[01:52] <TryHard01> dang, I was hoping it changed the directory permissions and botched the install.
[01:52] <Gigabitten> Yeah, it works to drag it into Firefox
[01:52] <Sven_vB> Gigabitten, might be about sandboxes, a browser-based app not allowing access to the local file system.
[01:53] <Gigabitten> weird.
[01:53] <Bashing-om> TryHard01: Might be of interest tovsee if the package manager is still active - ps -efly | egrep '(dpkg|apt)' .
[01:53] <Gigabitten> currently there is a workaround which is to just xdg-open it and copy-paste it in, which is fine I guess
[01:53] <Gigabitten> slightly cumbersome
[01:54] <Sven_vB> Gigabitten, maybe ImageMagick can copy the image to your clipboard
[01:54] <Gigabitten> hmm
[01:55] <TryHard01> Sven_vB, yes that returned about 5 results wtih apt or dpkg
[01:55] <Gigabitten> how do I do that? I can't seem to find it with a naive search query
[01:56] <Sven_vB> Gigabitten, if Discord provides a way to upload an image by path (the filename: field of an open dialog might accept a full path), you could also script that via xdotool. the most elegant method would probably sth. like a Discord plugin or Discord bot.
[01:56] <Sven_vB> Gigabitten, I'll have a look
[01:57] <npx> alright building a custom -lowlatency kernel with clang just to see if it'll actually work
[01:57] <Gigabitten> alrighty lol
[01:57] <Gigabitten> yeah it doesn't seem to provide that
[01:57] <Gigabitten> I haven't found such a thing, at least
[01:57] <Gigabitten> gotta afk for <15 mins
[01:58] <Gigabitten> will respond then
[01:58] <npx> I genuinely love it that my laptop will rip through kernel builds in like ~8 minutes
[01:59] <Sven_vB> my search engine doesn't understand me either, but here's a project that makes an image-copier in C#, which would be a rather easy DIY solution in case we can't find an ImageMagick way. C# can be used in Ubuntu via mono. https://www.trishtech.com/2018/05/copy-images-to-clipboard-directly-from-image-files/
[02:00] <Sven_vB> Gigabitten, I think this is exactly your use case: https://askubuntu.com/questions/759651/how-to-copy-an-image-to-the-clipboard-from-a-file-using-command-line
[02:01] <frank1e> is anyone here who maybe has the time to guide me through installing wine and winetricks for using the Battle.net Gamelauncher?
[02:01] <Sven_vB> (spoiler: xclip -selection clipboard -t image/png -i example.png )
[02:02] <npx> Does anyone else actually use a zfs root? I'm just super into this, it's like I'm in some parallel reality where OpenSolaris won.
[02:02] <oerheks> !wine
[02:02] <Sven_vB> npx, I want to try, but I'm not cool enough yet. :) maybe I can find time this summer
[02:03] <oerheks> frank1e, application help on #winehq
[02:03] <npx> Sven_vB: bruh... zfs root mirrored on my laptop with a 1tb nvme ssd and a 1tb sata ssd
[02:04] <npx> like the mirror slows it down by 50% or so because the nvme ssd is so fast but I don't even notice it
[02:04] <frank1e> thx oerheks :) joined
[02:05] <sarnold> npx: my laptop is currently on zfs root
[02:05] <npx> I remember using linux 2.0.36 on a 486DX4 with 8MB or RAM and this just blows my mind when I stop to think of it
[02:06] <sarnold> npx: it's been a mixed pain in the ass; this morning, I couldn't boot because 90% of my datasets didn't mount. /root/ had a handful of /etc/skel/ files in *before* the zfs mount, and I have NO IDEA where they came from. Their presence wedged the /root mount *that* caused the zfs mount unit to skip ALL the other mounts
[02:06] <sarnold> npx: omg same here. it's SO MUCH NICER than it used to be.
[02:07] <npx> sarnold: I've had a fairly painless experience so far, I'm thinking of trying a zfs send/recv of the whole system onto a LUKS encrypted volume and requiring a USB stick to boot this thing
[02:08] <sarnold> npx: the zfs send end of things is indeed where it was pretty nice; install sanoid, install syncoid, and in like thirty minutes I had an awesome backup experience to the big machine in the basement
[02:09] <npx> hadn't heard of those, I'll check it out, I've been thinking of how to integrate with joyent triton and get a really sick private cloud setup going
[02:14] <npx> although really it'd be ideal if something like triton existed that just entirely dispensed with illumos, hah
[02:14] <Sven_vB> what kernel package should I use to optimize for MIDI input on bionic amd64? I vaguely remeber reading something about how the lowlatency kernel would be too aggressive and for just MIDI there was another which would somehow consume less power.
[02:16] <sarnold> npx: I'd not heard of triton before; a quick skim of the webpage reminds me of a bunch of things: LXD, MAAS, Juju, microk8s
[02:16] <TryHard01> Ok, I rolled back using Timeshift... everything seems ok still lol. I am not sure how to remove libvirt-daemon-system and don't want to blow anything up
[02:17] <npx> it's great in many ways but it implements the entire linux system call on top of the Illumos (opensolaris) kernel then lets you run Linux containers inside of Solaris zones and turn an entire datacenter into a big DOCKER_HOST where containers get scheduled across all compute nodes
[02:18] <npx> at this point I can't really think of any reason not to just do the same thing on Linux itself
[02:20] <npx> system call table*
[02:20] <npx> triton is a very influential thing most people haven't heard of, the original home of node.js
[02:20] <Sven_vB> TryHard01, for such cases where you discover something is hard to uninstall, be aware that it's possible to automate linux installs. it's probably too hard for a beginner, but keep it in mind, because the longer you install stuff manually, the more stuff will not be in your automated receipes. :) I for one feel much more comfortable installing each new Ubuntu version afresh, instead of wondering how much ancient cruft I'd copy or keep
[02:20] <Sven_vB> that has become useless.
[02:22] <Sven_vB> and once it's automated, the time spent for installing is based mostly on your disks and network speeds, which nowadays in a lot of places means, shouldn't be much of a problem.
[02:25] <TryHard01> Sven_vB, I manually installed ubuntu..at least I think I did. I've never installed it on my gaming pc before
[02:25] <TryHard01> I just followed this pages instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[02:25] <TryHard01> and can't seem to get it to work or remove it
[02:27] <Sven_vB> yeah the first install usually needs to be manual, because at that time you don't yet have recipes.
[02:27] <Sven_vB> if you had them, one of your possibilities would be to just reinstall the entire Ubuntu without the KVM
[02:27] <TryHard01> yeah I'm writing down each step so I can make a bash script from that...and just whiz through the next install if I have to do it again
[02:28] <TryHard01> Well its tempting to do that...wasn't too bad to setup once I figured out how to insert the nomodeset flag into grub
[02:28] <Sven_vB> ic it's about virtualization. is that virtualization currently activated in your BIOS(-like firmware)? might you need to boot with it disabled to remove it?
[02:29] <TryHard01> yeah I got a brand new rig, my win server is running hyper-v already
[02:29] <TryHard01> I'm just trying to get away from M$ they're making me nuts
[02:29] <Wally> Gaming on Linux? *gets popcorn*
[02:29] <TryHard01> so I wanna ditch dual boot, virtualize windows
[02:29] <TryHard01> actually Steam is running a bunch of games no problem already I was pretty impressed how well that went
[02:30] <Sven_vB> hehe was the same for me. a computer died and I'd have had to install and configure a WinXP from scratch. that was when I decided I will only do one more un-automated OS install in my life.
[02:30] <TryHard01> oh you think its necessary to disable virtualization to remove the packages? hm I will try that
[02:30] <Wally> I don't think we'll see full DirectX Compatibility in Linux though.
[02:30] <TryHard01> faster than reinstalling...plus I'm not all that comfortable with installing over an existing dual boot setup
[02:30] <Sven_vB> Wally, back in my MMO days I was so lucky I had Ubuntu, because my favorite MMO ran so much better in Wine than on native WinXP.
[02:31] <Wally> macOS, Windows, Linux each do their own thing really.
[02:31] <Wally> Metal, DirectX, OpenGL.
[02:31] <TryHard01> well if I'm not back tonight it worked ;) tks for the help Sven_vB
[02:31] <Wally> then you have variants and versions of OpenGL that aren't compatible without something like gl4es.
[02:31] <Wally> Yeah nice Sven_vB ;D
[02:31] <Sven_vB> glad I might have been able to help
[02:32] <npx> I'm sold on -lowlatency kernels btw, I have a make -j12 kernel build going, a youtube video playing, and 10+ other tabs open... not even a hiccup. Winning.
[02:32] <Wally> Some games (PUBG) apparently don't like it if you're running in a VM
[02:32] <Wally> it triggers some ban
[02:33] <Sven_vB> npx, thanks! I guess I'll just try it then.
[02:33] <Sven_vB> Wally, probably an attempt to make cheat development harder
[02:33] <Wally> Yeah no doubt.
[02:34] <Gigabitten> Sven_vB: thanks, I'll try this later, bit busy rn, this is exactly what I want solved tho
[02:34] <mustmodify> I have 50 files that start with abc- and I want to remove that bit from the file name.
[02:34] <mustmodify> I know there's a snort one-line command but I can't think... must be some version of mv right?
[02:35] <Sven_vB> mustmodify, thunar has a multi-rename feature. there's also a "rename" program. or you could use sed to construct mv commands.
[02:35] <Wally> or use mv, cut and a loop
[02:36] <mustmodify> ah, it's rename.
[02:36] <Sven_vB> or for FN in abc-*; do mv --no-clobber --no-target-directory -- "$FN" "${FN#abc-}"; done
[02:36] <mustmodify> found it, sorry for any confusion. :)
[02:36] <Wally> Sven_vB the vulgar linuxer.
[02:36] <panorain> Wow
[02:40] <TryHard01> sigh...didn't work, could this be related? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=920574 still stuck trying to remove libvirt-daemon-system
[02:41] <sarnold> unlikely, that's just left over config files
[02:42] <TryHard01> dang...nuke and start over huh. Would timeshift work to roll back if I had have taken a snapshot before I installed the packages?
[02:42] <sarnold> maybe, but might also have had other undesired effects
[02:43] <TryHard01> hm, is there a way to get a real point in time snapshot of Ubuntu so I can experiment with less catastrophe? lol
[02:43] <TryHard01> virtualization is good at this...checkpoints no problem
[02:44] <sarnold> same problem there
[02:45] <sarnold> you can try the zfs on root option with snapshots, and rolling those back; even though I've got that setup I'm probably not brave enough to actually rollback to try to fix anything
[02:46] <TryHard01> hm alright. Well I'll get the hang of this eventually. I guess its not going to kill me to have this package messed up...hopefully not anyway
[02:47] <sarnold> TryHard01: you could either read the prerm and postrm scripts /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for that package, or you could just run the apt-get purge command, and strace whatever script seems to be running forever
[02:56] <TryHard01> sarnold, looking thru those scripts tks
[03:04] <npx> s
[03:04] <lucas-arg> where can i find info about irssi
[03:07] <Bashing-om> lucas-arg: https://irssi.org/documentation/- for help join the #irssi channel.
[03:07] <sarnold> once the irssi package is installed there's also a bunch of documentation in /usr/share/doc/irssi/
[03:08] <sarnold> heh, I wonder if that means success or failure? :)
[03:26] <TryHard01> I removed it!!
[03:27] <TryHard01> rebooted into recovery mode ...was a hunch some other service or something was tying it up
[03:27] <sarnold> woot
[03:27] <TryHard01> maybe I will live to ...setup a server! :D
[03:28] <TryHard01> anyways I'm glad this channel exists, its pretty awesome so many people hang around to help the nooblets and the gurus
[03:52] <Sven_vB> so I multistrap my new bionic with udev pre-installed. does that already take care of creating all important device nodes, or should I hard-configure some devices?
[03:53] <Sven_vB> is it safe to assume that missing device nodes would lead to easy-to-detect errors, or are there sneaky ones?
[03:56] <sarnold> Sven_vB: my laptop's got a devtmpsfs mounted on /dev that sure looks entirely dynamic to me
[03:56] <sarnold> Sven_vB: usually missing device nodes are easy to spot; I've heard that a missing /dev/console can be hard to debug, but that's probably not a big problem in daily life..
[03:57] <Sven_vB> sarnold, would that mean I can get away even with an entirely empty /dev?
[03:57] <Sven_vB> hehe yeah
[03:57] <sarnold> Sven_vB: just so long as you're mounting a devtmpfs there, and letting udev do its thing..
[03:58] <Sven_vB> for now I'll hope my initrd will magically do that for me.
[03:59] <Sven_vB> now that I selected to pre-install a kernel, install takes a lot longer. but I guess this time I might end up with an initrd being created.
[04:00] <Sven_vB> it's a bit of a troll that the "minimal example config" in the debian wiki shows a package list with no kernel in it. made me assume there would have been defaults for such. :)
[04:01] <Sven_vB> but then, maybe for the original Debian repos, a dependency on some kernel would have been in the essential packages.
[04:02] <sarnold> minimum might also have been targeted at lxc / lxd / openvz / schroot kinds of things
[04:02] <Sven_vB> oh right
[04:02] <sarnold> no need to include a kernel in all your docker instances, for example..
[04:03] <jardinss> sarnold: weirdest shit. I gave up on the OS and decided I'd switch to ClearOS. During the install same mouse problem! So it's really a driver problem...
[04:03] <jardinss> bios related?
[04:04] <jardinss> any os I install always seens to have the same problems
[04:04] <sarnold> jardinss: *weird*
[04:04] <sarnold> jardinss: do you actually *need* the mouse?
[04:04] <sarnold> I hate not knowing what's going on
[04:04] <sarnold> but if you're just going to be ssh'ing in to the thing, it might not be a big deal
[04:05] <Wally>  /j #fedora
[04:05] <Wally> ignore.
[04:07] <jardinss> hm
[04:07] <jardinss> hmmm
[04:07] <Wally> not my fault we're using RHEL / fedora stuff at work :P
[04:08] <jardinss> I guess that could be a possibility.. ill sleep on that
[04:08] <Wally> Although considering nobody can answer my question about preseeding via http then I might start telling people to use Fedora instead of Ubuntu :P
[04:08] <jardinss> thanks for letting me pick your brains :)
[04:08] <Wally> Oh you're not talking to me ;)
[04:08] <sarnold> gnight jardinss, have fun :)
[04:08] <Wally> Night jardinss
[04:10] <sarnold> Wally: where are you stuck? I've never done preseeding before but loading one from a web server ought to be possible https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed#Loading_the_preseeding_file_from_a_webserver
[04:11] <Wally> sarnold i'm getting stuck at loading the file via grub. Hang on. This implies i'm doing it wrong
[04:11] <Wally> great
[04:11] <Wally> I was going by the Ubuntu documentation of course.
[04:11] <Wally> Was doing it like a kickstart file would be seeded in.
[04:12] <Wally> Well at least I have something I can look into tomorrow. Cheers
[04:14] <sarnold> Wally: good luck :) the preseed stuff feels dangerously underdocumented.. or misunderstood or something similar.
[04:14] <sarnold> Wally: I'm not sure what exactly :) all I know is I never quite feel like I understand the whole thing from end to end..
[04:25] <Sven_vB> meh, still no initrd. but at least a vmlinuz and some companion files now.
[04:27] <Donavan01> how hard is it to use ubuntu or any debian based system for a virtual box host machine?
[04:27] <Donavan01> or is there a better way on ubuntu
[04:28] <sarnold> the 'native' way is to use libvirt to manage qemu
[04:28] <Donavan01> is that the better or easier way or just the statndard
[04:30] <sarnold> I think it's both easier and better, but feel free to try them both
[04:30] <sarnold> you can only use one at a time -- when you use qemu, that requires the kvm kernel module; when you use libvirt, it uses a different kernel module published by oracle
[04:31] <Donavan01> no thats ok im all about better and easier especially in linux land ... my kung fu is not strong
[04:31] <sarnold> you can only have one loaded at a time; so trying both may mean uninstalling one or the other
[04:31] <sarnold> try installing virt-manager and poke around and see what you think
[04:32] <sarnold> libvirt's easier to use to manage multiple VM hosts, but at some point using something "bigger" may work better.. I'm not entirely sure where that cutoff poiunt is
[04:32] <sarnold> time for me to run, have fun Donavan01
[04:32] <Donavan01> im going to as soon as I get the machine set up ... I dont have to power run for my server yet and im not sure how well using windows to host ubuntu to host another OS would play
[04:33] <Donavan01> thanks will do
[05:09] <dropheaders> is there a way to install ubuntu with console(pty) already enabled? after virt-install installation, I cannot see any output.
[05:19] <dropheaders> unless I guestmount the disk and add the systemd service
[05:20] <tomreyn> maybe you have an incompatible graphics driver on the VM configuration. normally, ubuntu would do VGA console output
[05:21] <tomreyn> which systemd service?
[05:23] <dropheaders> ln -s<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:24] <dropheaders> this command fixes but everytime I spawn a new vm, I have to shut it down and do that symlink
[05:24] <dropheaders> this is a headless setup
[05:24] <dropheaders> no vga etc
[05:25] <tomreyn> so you're referring to a serial console then?
[05:25] <dropheaders> yes
[05:26] <dropheaders> sorry, for me console means serial console by default ehhe should have clarified.
[05:26] <tomreyn> and your ubuntu release is?
[05:26] <dropheaders> 18.04
[05:28] <tomreyn> here's an example which i think should work https://wiki.up-community.org/Serial_console#Ubuntu
[05:28] <tomreyn> it mentions "Upstart" on the bottom but this is really systemd
[05:35] <dropheaders> thanks. in that case, I have to edit grub after the ubuntu installation is done, right? this is what I do right now: connect via ssh and do virt-install with --console pty,target_type=serial and --extra-args 'console=ttyS0,115200n8 serial' ; ubuntu boots in text mode and I can see output on screen ; when the installation is over, it prompts me to reboot which I do and at this point, " virsh
[05:35] <dropheaders> console" there is no output on screen. following the wiki that you have provided, I think I have to edit GRUB after it boots up but at that point I don't have any output.
[05:35] <dropheaders> was looking for something during ubuntu installation :)
[05:38] <tomreyn> i haven't used virt-install in a long time, and i bet the folks in #ubuntu-server would recommend something else nowadays.
[05:39] <dropheaders> ok thank you tomreyn! :)
[05:42] <tomreyn> dropheaders: fwiw, what you pass to the installer kernel command line after --- will be added to the installed systems' /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX (or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT?).
[05:43] <dropheaders> oh.. ok I will experiment something about that
[06:06] <quarterback> How to change cpu clock to 1.4 ghz manually in ubuntu? Even though I set clock speed to 1.4 ghz, it is at 1.6Ghz because scaling_min_frequency is at 1.6Ghz. Is there a possibility to change Scaling_min_freq at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0
[06:07] <quarterback> I had seen that I was not using lot of Graphics intensive applications,and my GPU does that pretty well so I was scaling down CPU clock speed to the lowest speed.
[06:21] <quarterback> It seems the cpu governor sets min speed to 1.6ghz and max to 2.8 ghz on my cpu. It doesn't go beyond the minimum. Interesting thing is that power consumption may be same for cpu running at 1 Ghz or at 1.6 Ghz.
[06:54] <quarterback> Ubuntu 18.04 with gnome flash back is great.
[07:15] <wing-py> what's wrong when i cannot sign in github in google-chrome? please, nothing wrong except this.
[07:17] <mrsideways> can you sign into it with another browser?
[07:24] <wing-py> oh,i have finished it, thank you very much. it is because i didnot verify my device which is new for my account.
[07:26] <wing-py> sir,can you recommend a free vpn client for ubuntu?
[07:36] <wing-py> i installed two-system which includes win10 and ubuntu19.04, but i directly go into ubuntu each time. howerver i have some useful data in win10, do anyone know how to come bake to win10?
[08:04] <nlpqda> I couldn't find ubuntu desktop for arm. only server distro here I found
[08:04] <nlpqda> https://ubuntu.com/download/server/arm
[08:04] <nlpqda> any ideas?
[08:07] <ducasse> nlpqda: not sure if there is one, ask in #ubuntu-arm
[08:07] <ducasse> wing-py: 19.04 is eol now, you need to upgrade to 19.10
[08:08] <nlpqda> thanks ducasse
[08:09] <wing-py> ducasse: what does it mean, i cannot get surport now?
[08:10] <ducasse> wing-py: that's correct, no support and no security updates
[08:11] <wing-py> ducasse: oh, do you know what difference between .04 and .10?
[08:12] <ducasse> wing-py: differences are covered in the release notes
[08:13] <wing-py> ducasse: thanks, i'll go to see.
[08:23] <zetheroo> I am a bit confused about the logging for samba. We are using the 'gio mount' command to mount our network SMB shares. If we get problems like the shares not being available where should we be looking for logs?
[08:24] <zetheroo> /var/log/samba/ seems very sparse https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2YRdcdxpNj/
[08:26] <zetheroo> or should there be a gvfs log?
[08:27] <nlpqda> ducasse: I'm not sure if there are any living ones in #ubuntu-arm :))
[08:28] <Triffid_Hunter> zetheroo: /var/log/samba is for the server, not client mounts. info about those would show up in dmesg if it's using the cifs kernel module
[08:30] <zetheroo> Triffid_Hunter: ok, will look there. The last time it happened was on the 24th of January ...
[08:40] <Mr_Pink> I am looking everywhere but I can't figure out why my Ubuntu 18.04 Server VirtualBox setup is stuck on "Filesystem setup" i can't pick do the guided partition stuff on the new drive its dimmed out and i can only pick "CANCEL", if i set format ext4 and mount to /, it still just says it will do that, but i cant go forward.
[08:41] <Mr_Pink> oh it finally worked in manual. phew.
[08:42]  * Mr_Pink tips his hat to MibixFox
[08:46] <nikolam> I have separate power supply that powers AMD 7850 graphics and SSDs and HDs , that does not go to the standby mode, when rest of the system goes in the standby mode. Result is that in some random moment after getting back from the standby, graphics freezes, while mouse cursor is still moving, but not reacting to keyboard/mouse actions, while processes stay active.
[08:48] <nikolam> Seems like X session or graphics driver, does not like the fact that graphics card didn't go into standby together with the motherboard and at some later moment graphics freezes.
[08:48] <nikolam> It's some non-standard HP power supply that I am adding to with another ATX psu, that is always-on (with a switch on it)
[08:54] <interrobangd> why dont work apt-mark hold "grub*"?
[08:54] <interrobangd> if i to this, grub will be blacklisted, but someday it will removed!!!!!
[08:55] <interrobangd> apt-mark showhold ->>> EMPTY LIST - WHY
[09:03] <zen_coder> how can I delete all files with a certain suffix in a certain directory?
[09:03] <zen_coder> not recursively
[09:04] <mohnish> hello everyone, I wanted to know what wifi card or usb wifi adapter I should get so that it supports ad-hoc and access point.
[09:04] <mohnish> I'm running Ubuntu MATE 19.10
[09:06] <Triffid_Hunter> zen_coder: cd dir; rm *suffix ?
[09:06] <zen_coder> can I get a list first?
[09:06] <zen_coder> a find and then delete it?
[09:06] <geirha> you'll want to use && rather than ; between those commands
[09:06] <mohnish> zen_coder, ls -la
[09:07] <Triffid_Hunter> zen_coder: ls -l *suffix in there somewhere :P
[09:07] <geirha> or just  rm thedir/*suffix
[09:12] <mohnish> ello everyone, I wanted to know what wifi card or usb wifi adapter I should get so that it supports ad-hoc and access point. I'm running Ubuntu MATE 19.10
[09:12] <mohnish> *hello
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> !patience | mohnish
[09:13] <mohnish> lotuspsychje, okay
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> mohnish: start here for ubuntu certified hardware: https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[09:19] <Triffid_Hunter> mohnish: at the same time? avoid intel 3160, it constantly barfs if you have more than one client on its AP while also running another mode in parallel
[09:21] <mohnish> Triffid_Hunter: okay
[09:22] <mohnish> And, should I use a usb one or a pci one?
[09:22] <mohnish> I'd prefer the usb because I have my pci-e port occupied by my graphics card.
[09:24] <mohnish> I already have a usb wifi adapter, btw, but the driver for it for linux does not support AP and ad-hoc
[09:28] <Triffid_Hunter> mohnish: I haven't encountered a non-terrible usb-wifi, so I don't have any suggestions on that point
[09:29] <mohnish> oh, okay, but, do you use one, if yes, which one do you use? Triffid_Hunter
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | mohnish Triffid_Hunter
[09:30] <zetheroo> is there a command which will show how many times a system when into suspend since the last time it was booted?
[09:32] <jeremy31> mohnish: what driver does it use?
[09:33] <quarterback> computer locks itself on ubuntu 18.04 when idle and doesn't unlock even after entering correct password. How to fix this?
[09:34] <mohnish> jeremy31, r8169
[09:34] <jeremy31> mohnish: that is an ethernet driver
[09:34] <tomreyn> quarterback: is this gdm / gnome-shell, so the default ubuntu desktop?
[09:34] <tomreyn> quarterback: is this a fresh installation, when did it start happening?
[09:35] <mohnish> jeremy31, but I can connect to wifi using my adapter
[09:35] <quarterback> tomreyn, Yes, gnome flashback is my default desktop
[09:35] <jeremy31> mohnish: post URL from terminal for>  lsmod | grep cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:35] <quarterback> tomreyn, I am using gnome flashback compiz
[09:35] <mohnish> jeremy31, I'm not in access to my pc right now
[09:36] <tomreyn> quarterback: oh flashback, i have little experience with this. anything about it on the logs?
 https://github.com/Anthony96922/mt7601u-ap is another AP driver, looks better than the other
[09:36] <quarterback> tomreyn, Which log should I check?
[09:36] <SimonNL> mohnish, what happend with that suggestion ^^
[09:36] <mohnish> SimonNL, tried it didn't work
[09:36] <SimonNL> bah
[09:36] <quarterback> tomreyn, I didnt have this problem with other gnome 3 weyland
[09:36] <tomreyn> quarterback: journalctl -b    after you reproduced it
[09:37] <mohnish> That's why I'm asking for suggestions for a new wifi adapter
[09:37] <tomreyn> quarterback: so with gnome-shell then, not flashback?
[09:37] <quarterback> tomreyn, It is with gnome flashback compiz, not shell.
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> mohnish: thats not really what the scope of the support channel is about
[09:38] <mohnish> okay, then, bye! I guess
[09:38] <quarterback> tomreyn, If I lock the screen myself, I am able to unlock.
[09:38] <tomreyn> quarterback: okay, i hadn't expected it to happen with gnome-shell. well, reproduce, and check those logs, it may hint on something.
[09:39] <quarterback> tomreyn, Thanks I appreciate your effort.
[09:41] <quarterback> tomreyn, This seems like the solution? gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.lockdown disable-lock-screen false
[09:43] <quarterback> I am trying this.
[09:46] <tomreyn> zetheroo: compare     journalctl --list-boots    to      journalctl -u 'systemd-sleep' | grep -F 'Suspending system'     (untested, you may need to play a little with these patterns)
[09:46] <tomreyn> quarterback: i wouldn't know, since i don't know what's the cause of the problem, yet
[09:47] <quarterback> tomreyn, I am new to these things. I will try to figure out as you said.
[09:48] <raven-14> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a Lenovo 730-13IWL, but the installer does not recognize the SSD, and there are not SATA config options in the BIOS. Has anyone managed to install on this hardware?
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> raven-14: is it an nvme ssd?
[09:51] <raven-14> @lotuspsychje Absolutely
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> raven-14: did you try advanced partitioning, see if it shows there?
[09:52] <raven-14> @lotuspsychje It does not
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> raven-14: do you dualboot or singleboot? uefi or legacy?
[09:53] <raven-14> Singleboot on Legacy
[09:54] <tomreyn> raven-14: latest uefi: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/yoga-series/yoga-730-13iwl/downloads/DS505136
[09:55] <raven-14> @lotuspsychje Already installed. Still no SATA options sadly
[09:56] <tomreyn> raven-14: how about when you uefi boot?
[09:57] <raven-14> You mean booting the install on UEFI could help the SSD show up?
[09:57] <tomreyn> if the uefi hides it from the OS in BIOS mode, yes
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> raven-14: if a volunteer suggests something, its to widen your options, you could try
[09:58] <raven-14> @lotuspsychje Thank you I'll try
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> raven-14: wich ubuntu version is this you are trying please?
[10:01] <tomreyn> it's an M.2 PCI-E SSD
[10:05] <raven-14> @lotuspsychje Installer does not boot in UEFI
[10:05] <raven-14> @tomreyn Correct
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> raven-14: but you said, you are booting legacy?
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> raven-14: what happens with the installer then
[10:06] <tomreyn> raven-14: (again:) which ubuntu version is it? also, how did you create the installer, did you check the installer media for errors?
[10:13] <tomreyn> italian, but has lspci (without -n) for this model: https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Notebook/LenovoYoga730_13IWL
[10:13] <tomreyn> based on ubuntu 18.10 kernel
[10:18] <raven-14> @tomreyn Thank you I'll look into it
[10:19] <tomreyn> raven-14: did you see our questions before you timed out?
[10:20] <raven-14> @tomreyn Probably not no, I'm sorry. Could you ask them again?
 raven-14: but you said, you are booting legacy? what happens with the installer then?
 raven-14: (again:) which ubuntu version is it? also, how did you create the installer, did you check the installer media for errors?
[10:20] <tomreyn> !irclogs | raven-14
[10:35] <[fre]> Hi guys...
[10:36] <[fre]> I'm facing a little installer-problem on Vmware with the later LTS 18.4.3...
[10:36] <[fre]> Is there a way to choose another kernel-version in that installer?
[10:37] <[fre]> Can't get into GRUB to pick something else.
[10:37] <[fre]> so, every other option you select, I always end up kernel-panicking due to a failed "initramfs unpacking".
[10:39] <tomreyn> !checksum | [fre]
[10:47] <[fre]> Algorithm : MD5
[10:47] <[fre]> Hash      : C038A031A2B638F8E89D897119F1B7BB
[10:47] <[fre]> Path      : ...\Downloads\ubuntu-18.04.3-live-server-amd64.iso
[10:50] <tomreyn> does it match what's on the gpg signed checksum files then?
[10:51] <tomreyn> !paste | [fre]
[10:52] <[fre]> my apologies. But, yes, it does match. c038a031a2b638f8e89d897119f1b7bb *ubuntu-18.04.3-live-server-amd64.iso
[10:53] <tomreyn> look for updates for vmware then, i'd say
[10:53] <[fre]> Hummm. It's not just a dev-platform. ;)
[10:54] <tomreyn> so you'll know which patches are missing. are any of those relevant for running ubuntu 18.04.3?
[10:54] <[fre]> Is there a way to get in GRUB, instead of the installer, or just a way to pick a different kernel?
[10:55] <tomreyn> the installer comes with exactly one kernel image, which can be booted via grub, and grub can supply kernel parameters during boot.
[10:55] <[fre]> exactly one. F*beep. ;)
[10:57] <[fre]> ok, then it's a matter of finding or disabling the right parameter...
[10:57] <tomreyn> [fre]: actually i was wrong there, the server installer comes with the vanilla and the HWE / LTSE kernel
[10:57] <tomreyn> you can choose those from grub menu
[10:57] <[fre]> yeah, ok, saw that. but neither of them works
[10:58] <tomreyn> right, it's probably an issue with your virtualization
[10:59] <tomreyn> maybe booting with dis_ucode_ldr can get around it.
[10:59] <tomreyn> server support would be in #ubuntu-server btw.
[11:00] <[fre]> (thank you for that!)
[11:00] <[fre]> what 's the dis_ucode_ldr for?
[11:01] <tomreyn> disables / omits the early microcode loader code
 so you'll know which patches are missing. are any of those relevant for running ubuntu 18.04.3?
[11:03] <[fre]> ha, well... I'm  not the VMWare-admin. ;) SO, not sure if or how to patch it. ;)
[11:04] <tomreyn> but you can possibly detemrine its version number and access a changelog
[11:04] <tomreyn> or just talk to admins, say "doesn't work" ;-)
[11:17] <glick> hi
[11:17] <glick> anyone around?
[11:20] <tomreyn> !ask | glick
[11:20] <glick> does anyone here use fish as their shell?
[11:21] <tomreyn> glick: on manjaro, debian, ubuntu, or something else?
[11:21] <tomreyn> and if it's on ubuntu, which ubuntu version, and what's not working as expected (no polls on this channel please)?
[11:24] <glick> i use all three
[11:24] <glick> debian at work
[11:24] <glick> manjaro and ubuntu at home
[12:31] <speeder39_> Good morning
[12:44] <Kali_Yuga> Hello is it possible to get Vulkan running on an integrated Intel Card? https://i.postimg.cc/MGVycRZx/415.png
[12:46] <Icypee> Hey can I have some help with wicd?
[12:48] <Icypee> I installed wicd and I can connect to WiFi networks but when I go to any website it says server not found
[12:48] <Icypee> Does anyone know how to fix this??
[12:49] <oerheks> Kali_Yuga, maybe, check this page if your intel GPU is supported? https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005524/graphics-drivers.html
[12:51] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello!!!! >:)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:52] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[12:56] <Yahav> Heya guys, is there anyway to check whether a ubuntu is under a software raid? df -h only displays one drive
[12:57] <loonyroon> Is there anyone that is able to help with a network issue that I am having?
[12:57] <pragmaticenigma> Yahav: Not without knowning what software raid implementation was used. The only way to really know would be when you installed the system
[12:57] <loonyroon> I just installed the OS today
[12:58] <Yahav> Is there anyway to verify whether or not the system is under a software raid at all?
[12:58] <Yahav> its an old ubuntu 14/16
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> loonyroon: Welcome to the #ubuntu irc channel. It works best if you ask your full quesion, in one posting, with as much detail as you can provide (including Ubuntu version, hardware information, etc) to help volunteers give you more accurate results.
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> !YY.MM | Yahav
[12:59] <phocean> Hi, why doesn't Ubuntu 19.10 gets updated to Gnome 3.34.2 or 3.34.3 ?
[12:59] <phocean> there are some interesting bug fixes in these minor versions
[13:00] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | phocean
[13:00] <Yahav> pragmaticenigma, got it, how about the raid thingi though?
[13:00] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: I'd suggest reading up on Ubuntu 20.04, which is coming out this spring and see if the newer version is being considered for inclusion
[13:01] <phocean> ubottu, I know but we are not in LTS and we are talking about minor versions with only bug fixes
[13:01] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, ok, but I was expecting more maintainance updates
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: The LTS is just a designation given to specific releases, to indicate their support level. All releases stay with the version at time of release
[13:02] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, I agree. Anyway, I am disappointed that Gnome in Ubuntu 19.10 gets no more updates. That's my issue with it.
[13:03] <ioria> phocean, it's already available in eoan-proposed
[13:04] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: As I just mentioned, release 20.04 is only a few months away, you can ask in #ubuntu+1 or do some research in the proposed release notes for 20.04
[13:04] <ioria> !info gnome-shell eoan-proposed
[13:04] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | loonyroon
[13:04] <phocean> ioria, ok, so it should come? By the way, do you have any feedback working with this repo? Is it usable for a workstation?
[13:04] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, I have some bugs, I would wait at most a few more days, not months
[13:05] <ioria> phocean, nope... you can install it but you have to cope with the issues
[13:05] <phocean> ioria, ok, thanks
[13:05] <ioria> ok
[13:06] <loonyroon> I am using POP_OS Version 19.10 and I have a NetGear USB Wireless adapter (Model: Nighthawk AC1900) And I was wondering if there was any way to be able to download the required drivers to be able to use the device?
[13:06] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: The other option, as this is a support channel, is to tell us what bugs you are encountering and perhaps a volunteer here will be able to help you fix them
[13:06] <pragmaticenigma> loonyroon: POP_OS is supported only by System76. You must contact their support line for assistance
[13:07] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, I already reported one, for instance: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/2149
[13:07] <loonyroon> But that would be Ubuntu-based, yes? Wouldn't the process be, fundamentally-speaking, the same?
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> loonyroon: no
[13:08] <loonyroon> That doesn't make much sense? Why not?
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> loonyroon: System76 has made significant changes to ensure that their OS works on their platform. The volunteers here do not have access to that documentation, and we are not aware of those changes.
[13:09] <pragmaticenigma> loonyroon: Also, when you purchased a System76, the price included the support offered by System76... by trying to avoid their support line, you are literally throwing away your money
[13:10] <loonyroon> I just booted the ISO... I didn't pay them for the system... I built it
[13:10] <pragmaticenigma> loonyroon: It doesn't matter... There is no support here for POP_OS
[13:10] <pragmaticenigma> !popos | loonyroon
[13:16] <qwertuttyty> armhf is arm 32 bit?
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> qwertuttyty: yes
[13:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> Query: how do I know if currently I am using my gpu or not for display?
[13:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> I did a lshw -c video. It shows me both the graphic cards. Integrated one and nvdia one.
[13:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> But I don't know what i am using atm.
[13:25] <ioria> The_LoudSpeaker, glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[13:25] <ioria> The_LoudSpeaker, also xrandr --listproviders
[13:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> ioria: thanks! glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer" worked.
[13:27] <ioria> ok
[13:28] <BluesKaj> optimus
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> Yahav: I am unable to find any documentation on how to determine if you are using Software RAID
[13:58] <Kiwis> HI guys, shoudl Ubuntu 18.04 not contain PHP 7.2.5 ?
[13:58] <Kiwis> I'm still on 7.2.24
[13:59] <pragmaticenigma> !info php bionic
[13:59] <Kiwis> doesn't say me much
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> it shows the version
[14:00] <Kiwis> yes but is that .60 ?
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> Kiwis: No, it is not
[14:01] <pragmaticenigma> +60 is part of the scheme for indicating precedence from what I recall
[14:01] <Kiwis> mhh but I need a newwe version of 7.2 and can't go tyo 7.3
[14:03] <bcx> Hi, i'm trying to provision a preseeded bionic from netboot, can't set account passwd, partitioning & reboot. Any bionic preseed sample anyone ?
[14:03] <oerheks> 7.2.24 ..? time to run; sudo apt dist-upgrade
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> Kiwis: on my system, I have 7.2.24 installed
[14:03] <Kiwis> oerheks nope, doesn't do it
[14:03] <lenarhoyt> Hi, when autoremoving light-locker it also removes lightdm, unity-greeter, python2.7. it seems weird that these packages are not required elsewhere (running freshly installed xfce on vanilla ubuntu).
[14:03] <Kiwis> pragmaticenigma yeah too old
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | Kiwis
[14:03] <lenarhoyt> want to remove light-locker as it crashes constantly
[14:04] <Kiwis> pragmaticenigma I know but some things are really between the two
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> lenarhoyt: light-locker is integrated and required package for lightdm to work.
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> lenarhoyt: I am assuming that you must be using the lightdm greeter to log into your machine?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Kiwis: for wich reason do you need 7.3 exactly?
[14:06] <Kiwis> lotuspsychje I need 7.2.5 at least... some composer packages need it
[14:06] <lenarhoyt> pragmaticenigma: all I did is install kubuntu and then xfce, so it was still the standard unity greeter, I think
[14:06] <bynarie> simple question.. any way to view PUBLIC ip from the terminal?
[14:06] <bynarie> for example, im using ubuntu 18.04 on WSL
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> lenarhoyt: You started with you installed Vanilla Ubuntu... Kubuntu is not vanilla Ubuntu... so I thin you need to provide more details on how you installed your system for us to accurately understand what is going on
[14:07] <tbguest> Hello
[14:08] <oerheks> !wsl | bynarie
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> Kiwis: PHP 7.3 is available in the upcoming release of Ubuntu. Note: You should be using your package manager to install libraries for PHP... they will have the right dependencies for the version of PHP installed on your system
[14:08] <bynarie> that doesnt help, but thank you anyway
[14:08] <bynarie> lol
[14:08] <oerheks> there are tons of examples howto curl your public ip
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> bynarie: WSL isn't supported here... and your question is not an Ubuntu support question either.
[14:08] <Kiwis> pragmaticenigma I know but the couchbase client doesn't work with 7.3
[14:09] <bynarie> oerheks, thank you.. that IS helpful
[14:09] <lenarhoyt> pragmaticenigma: I installed vanilla, then apt install'ed kubuntu-desktop and xfce. then I logged into xfce via unity greeter and was greeted with a light-locker crash report. that's all
[14:09] <bynarie> and im not trying to be a jerk but ubuntu is ubuntu
[14:09] <lenarhoyt> pragmaticenigma: 19.10 that is
[14:09] <bynarie> oerheks, i figured it out.. thank you bud
[14:10] <lenarhoyt> configured everything on gdm3
[14:11] <tbguest> I've something strange with DNS servers : I can't resolve url. The `/etc/resolv.conf` file seems to be managed by NetworkManager and points to `<IP_ADDRESS>` (looks good so far). When I list the DNS server of the current connection with `nmcli device connection wlp3s0 | grep DNS` it shows me IP that contains DNS server that works, i.e. when I do `dig
[14:11] <tbguest> google.com @IPNMCLI`, I have a valid output (good so far). BUT, when I try to run `dig google.com @<IP_ADDRESS>`, a request is sent, but the answer has an error SERVFAIL (https://paste.debian.net/1128051/). Any idea what's wrong, and why NetworkManager's local DNS server is not working?
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> bynarie: No, WSL is using a customized Ubuntu as a base, but has been changed significantly to run in the WSL platform. It is not the same as we do not have documentation for those changes. Microsoft and the developer of the Ubuntu App store package has them. That is why there is a dedicated channel for WSL supprt here on freenode
[14:12] <bynarie> pragmaticenigma, no problem i understand.. sorry i wasnt trying to be a jerk
[14:12] <bynarie> i got it figured out though thank you
[14:14] <bynarie> i used dig
[14:17] <fritzroy15> hello, any idea why rbenv on ubuntu 18.04 sees ruby 2.5.1 as the latest version? it's up to 2.7 now
[14:18] <BluesKaj> !latest
[14:18] <tatertots> tbguest: what url are you unable to resolve?
[14:18] <lenarhoyt> why isn't xubuntu on 19.10 yet?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> lenarhoyt: https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-10-released/
[14:19] <oerheks> lenarhoyt, maybe you need to update properly? 19.10 is out long time https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-10-released/
[14:20] <lenarhoyt> ah I was confused, 19.10 is not stable yet it seems. it seems ubuntu 19.10 is more stable than xubuntu 19.10?
[14:22] <lenarhoyt> i had very bad experiences updating xubuntu from 18.03 to 19.10. firefox constantly crashed and the screen flickered. running as virtualbox guest under win 10 that is
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> lenarhoyt: Any release can have bugs. That's why this channel exists, to help triage and try to help fix those issues, or direct you to better resource
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> lenarhoyt: There is no direct path to upgrade from 18.04 to 19.10... if you didn't first upgrade to 19.04, there would be the problem
[14:23] <monojamoon|> A question about dual booting Window and Ubuntu
[14:23] <monojamoon|> hey guys! Got a new laptop today. It has 256GB of SSD and comes in with pre-installed Windows 10.
[14:23] <monojamoon|> It has a separate M.2 slot which I can use to add another SSD (when I have enough funds) and install Ubuntu on it.
[14:23] <lenarhoyt> pragmaticenigma: yes, .04, and yes it was multiple updates
[14:23] <monojamoon|> But in the meantime, I will just go ahead dual boot on the present 256GB SSD. There is going to be a huge space constraint for both the operating systems.
[14:23] <lenarhoyt> pragmaticenigma: why would "there be my problem"?
[14:23] <monojamoon|> My concern is that after a month, when I will finally have the funds to buy an SSD (and then after install Ubuntu on it), I would like the original SSD to be restored into its factory state.
[14:24] <monojamoon|> For that I have created a recovery media (basically a USB flash drive containing the recovery files) and my plan is to simply do a factory reset.
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | monojamoon|
[14:24] <monojamoon|> Will this method remove Ubuntu and GRUB completely and restore the system into its orignal factory state?
[14:24] <monojamoon|> oh!
[14:24] <monojamoon|> Sorry!
[14:24] <monojamoon|> I will keep that in mind
[14:24] <compdoc> lol
[14:25] <pragmaticenigma> lenarhoyt: If you went straight from 18.04 to 19.10, there may have been transitional packages needed that weren't installed. However, if you migrated first to 19.04 then to 19.10... that wouldn't be the issue
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> monojamoon|: The factory reset disk you made will restore the machine to the state of when you created it. Meaning, yes, it would wipe out your Ubuntu boot information
[14:26] <monojamoon|> Nice!
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> monojamoon|: I will caution, since we don't know what tool you used to make that image/backup nor is it something we can support, you might want to follow up with the maker of the tool to verify that
[14:27] <monojamoon|> I am really happy to hear that. Otherwise I would have been forced to bear with Windows for 30 days
[14:27] <monojamoon|> oh! ok pragmaticenigma.
[14:31] <tbguest> @tater
[14:31] <tbguest> tatertots any url
[14:32] <tatertots> tbguest: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[14:32] <tbguest> yes because when I use my vpn it works as my config file add some DNS domain
[14:33] <tbguest> But if I stop my VPN then it wont
[14:33] <tatertots> tbguest: are you unable to browse websites when not connected to VPN?
[14:33] <tbguest> exactly
[14:33] <bynarie> yea its a dns problem what vpn are u using
[14:33] <tbguest> I am using my own VPN
[14:34] <bynarie> ok what vpn.. what protocol
[14:34] <tbguest> bynarie but the problem arise when I don't use the VPN
[14:34] <tbguest> openvpn via tcp
[14:34] <bynarie> i know
[14:34] <bynarie> is there any setting in openvpn client to reset dns
[14:34] <tatertots> he has issue when NOT using VPN....so the vpn is not really important atm
[14:35] <bynarie> what im saying is with my vpn, a while ago when i was not connected i could not use the network
[14:35] <bynarie> i had to reset my dns
[14:35] <tatertots> tbguest: do other computers on the network have this same issue ?
[14:36] <tbguest> tatertots no it's really my computer
[14:36] <tatertots> tbguest: are you using a static IP?
[14:36] <tbguest> bynarie yes the classic resolv-conf
[14:36] <tbguest> tatertots no or not that I am aware of
[14:36] <bynarie> tbguest, have u tried flushing dns cache, when not connected?
[14:37] <tbguest> tatertots long story short, I had a DNS leak so I install DNS crypt and then I was not able to have internet without the vpn so i uninstalled everything but I am not able to retrieve it
[14:37] <tatertots> tbguest: have you tried adding <IP_ADDRESS> to your ipv4 configuration as dns?
[14:37] <tbguest> tatertots so the network I am on is blocking it
[14:37] <tbguest> But if I connect on my phone then <IP_ADDRESS> works fine
[14:38] <tatertots> tbguest: ah...does name resolution work as expected when booted to LiveCD/LiveUSB?
[14:39] <tbguest> I have not tried. I really wanted to understand why the /etc/resolv.conf was not updated correctly with network manager
[14:40] <tatertots> resolve.conf should contain a message that says something to the effect of "don't bother editing this it will be over written"
[14:40] <tbguest> Yes it does. But it should also contain the correct DNS server
[14:40] <tatertots> if you didn't see or notice that i am shocked
[14:40] <leftyfb> tbguest: nmcli device show|grep -i dn
[14:40] <leftyfb> tbguest: no, NM does not change /etc/resolv.conf. It uses systemd now.
[14:41] <tbguest> leftyfb `IP4.DNS[1]:                             <IP_ADDRESS>IP4.DNS[2]:                             <IP_ADDRESS>IP4.DNS[1]:                             <IP_ADDRESS>IP4.DNS[2]:                             <IP_ADDRESS>`
[14:41] <leftyfb> !paste | tbguest
[14:41] <leftyfb> tbguest: those are your nameservers
[14:41] <tbguest> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KWGbPqBSyG/
[14:41] <tatertots> tbguest: try booted to LiveCD/LiveUSB...if it works then it's something that you may have introduced to your installed environment
[14:42] <leftyfb> you have 4 nameservers configured
[14:42] <tbguest> This is the output to your command leftyfb
[14:42] <tatertots> tbguest: and if that proves true..you need to try not to do that
[14:42] <leftyfb> tatertots: that's not necessary
[14:42] <tbguest> this is when connected to my VPN
[14:42] <bynarie> tbguest, are those IP addresses related to the vpn server? i suggest resetting dns like ive been saying
[14:43] <leftyfb> tbguest: disconnect from VPN and run the command again. That will give you your nameservers
[14:43] <tbguest> Ok
[14:43] <tbguest> let me connect here with my phone
[14:43] <leftyfb> tbguest: unless you have a static ip/dns, then it won't matter much
[14:44] <leftyfb> tbguest: if everything works when connected to your phone and vpn, why bother connecting to your phone now? That doesn't help us troubleshoot
[14:45] <leftyfb> tbguest: connect to your network as you normally do. No vpn, no phone. Lets start there
[14:45] <bynarie> lol
[14:45] <tbguest> I mean connect on the chat with my phone
[14:45] <leftyfb> oh, ok. That makes sense
[14:50] <tbguest> That's super weird
[14:50] <tbguest> Seems to work now
[14:51] <tbguest> But i don't know why this is working
[14:51] <tbguest> There is a newline in /etc/resolv.conf
[14:55] <tbguest> leftyfb so I did not do anything and now it is updating correctly
[14:55] <leftyfb> tbguest: ok, then you're good
[14:56] <leftyfb> tbguest: let us know if you have issues again
[14:58] <tbguest> leftyfb will do thanks. Though now I have the same issue as long before as my homemade VPN is leaking DNS request.
[14:58] <leftyfb> tbguest: define "leaking DNS request"
[14:59] <tbguest> Right. So when I do a standard dns leak test on the internet, I can see where I am connecting from (my university server)
[14:59] <leftyfb> tbguest: can you be more clear/detailed about what test you are doing?
[14:59] <oerheks> enable your VPN, and test again?
[15:00] <tbguest> https://www.dnsleaktest.com
[15:00] <tbguest> With my vpn of course
[15:00] <leftyfb> tbguest: you're connected from your university network, to a VPN and querying a public DNS server and it's coming back from your university correct?
[15:01] <tbguest> Correct
[15:01] <leftyfb> tbguest: Do you have "Use this connection only for resources on its network" checked in your VPN config?
[15:02] <tbguest> I don't think so. What is it? I can add this in my openvpn client config ?
[15:03] <leftyfb> tbguest: This is an openvpn client you're using? Not an openvpn config in network manager?
[15:03] <tbguest> I just launch is in the terminal. I meant as a client
[15:04] <tbguest> it*
[15:04] <leftyfb> tbguest: look through your network manager config for a openvpn profile
[15:05] <tbguest> So you suggest I add the openvpn profile in the network manager directly?
[15:06] <leftyfb> tbguest: well, yes, but first see if there's one already. Otherwise, I'm not familiar with how you have a 3rd party openvpn client setup.
[15:08] <tbguest> Well I just set up the openvpn config file for the server and the client and whenever I want to connect, I just launch it directly with openvpn in a terminal
[15:09] <tbguest> Let me try to set it up in network manager. Hopefully it's easier to request the DNS server then
[15:14] <tbguest> leftyfb Many thanks to you. It seems to work now that I was added the openvpn profile direcly in network manager. https://www.dnsleaktest.com does not feature any university DNS. Only Cisco OpenDNS which I assume is what I want
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> tbguest: Assuming that is what your provider is "providing" then use, sounds like it is working. You might want to contact the VPN provider to verify what DNS servers they're pushing to your connection
[15:16] <tbguest> If I am using openvpn on my own VPS, who is my VPN provider?
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> tbguest: If you didn't define it... it's what ever is configred for the VPS instance. You'd have to consult their documentation or call their help desk to know what they have setup
[15:22] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: tbguest is tbguest's VPN provider. He setup his own OpenVPN server.
[15:23] <leftyfb> tbguest: to answer your question, the DNS provided to you by the OpenVPN server you setup will be the one you configured during it's setup.
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: I'm aware, but we don't know how the VPS was provisioned... which if tbguest didn't setup DNS provider in the OpenVPN server config, would then be inheriting the DNS settings from the VPS server? no?
[15:27] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I'm assuming (maybe incorrectly) that tbguest setup the OpenVPN server on their own
[15:30] <tbguest> pragmaticenigma leftyfb I have a VPS server at OVH and run my own VPN their so I assume indeed that this is inheriting the DNS settings there
[15:33] <duffolonious> how does one actually use preseed for LUKS encrypted LVM partitions - it appears to just be hanging forever doing something in partman (something that doesn't happen during a manual install)?
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> duffolonious: not sure that you can automate an install with luks involved... I would think there is a step that is going to prompt for the password to unlock the drive
[15:35] <duffolonious> so I get prompted for the user password, do that, works fine - then when it gets to partman it just going 100% on CPU and sits there (I let it go over night)
[15:36] <duffolonious> I think this is before getting a password prompt, because I would expect one
[15:36] <tbguest> Thanks for your help leftyfb and pragmaticenigma
[15:36] <tbguest> Bye
[15:36] <duffolonious> pragmaticenigma: running "ps" in a terminal and I see partman running
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> duffolonious: Did you follow this suggestion? https://askubuntu.com/a/482494
[15:39] <duffolonious> I'll try it
[15:40] <duffolonious> thanks
[15:56] <gorby> Hello, how can I use modprobe to load an olderversion of wireless firmware thats located in /lib/firmware?
[16:01] <gorby> My wireless crashes as per this post -> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1182351/19-10-big-issue-with-intel-9260ac-wifi-iwlwifi-brings-system-to-a-halt
[16:01] <gorby> In the post the person says he loaded an older version of the firmware which I can see in /lib/firmware too, but Im unsure how to load it.
[16:02] <Sven_vB> what was the boot option again that makes initramfs go to a shell at local-bottom? break=?
[16:02] <leftyfb> gorby: you don't. Just delete/rename the newer firmware so the older one gets used.
[16:02] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: "/bin/false" will work
[16:02] <oerheks> i read recently that the backported intel wireless is your solution, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/ubuntu/backport-iwlwifi
[16:03] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, init=/bin/false?
[16:03] <gorby> leftyfb / Oerheks - Thanks.
[16:03] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: oh, you made it sound like you were editing the local-bottom scripts directly. No. init=/bin/sh
[16:03] <gorby> I'll try the package first.
[16:04] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, looks like I was even more unclear. :) I meant a initram rescue shell, but local-top shall have run before I get the rescue shell.
[16:05] <Sven_vB> also I hope that is early enough that the filesystem root has not yet been changed, is it?
[16:06] <osse> On the sidebar I have an icon referring to my gmail account.  :D
[16:07] <Sven_vB> *UUID
[16:08] <Sven_vB> ??? wat. it finds the root filesystem nonetheless.
[16:09] <Sven_vB> ??? but made some openbox apps forget their color scheme. probably just coincidence.
[16:11] <Sven_vB> anyone else having that problem: sabotaging the UUID will only work if you also remove all the bios hints from the GRUB find-fs line, else it fill just fall back to traditional numbered disk lookup.
[16:12] <Sven_vB> also watch out for set root=???
[16:13] <gorby> oerheks : Backport iwlwifi seemed to install / build without issue. Should I reboot or will modprobe iwlwifi achieve the same thing?
[16:17] <Sven_vB> https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug says it's indeed break=, but break=local-bottom won't work because you cannot specify which way it had been booted (local or network) so it's just break=bottom.
[16:43] <gorby> sadly it didnt seem to fix the problem - iwlwifi crashed again in about 6 mins.
[16:44] <compdoc> have you looked at which driver is loading, and if intel has a newer version?
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> gorby: did you try different kernel versions yet?
[16:46] <gorby> when I installed backports and apt updated 5.3.0-28-generic installed.
[16:46] <gorby> Strangely backports seemed to load the same firmware file, I dont know if thats normal.
[16:46] <gorby> compdoc - no, not yet.
[16:47] <gorby> I think id like to remove backports and try the older version that ppl said didnt crash first.
[16:48] <compdoc> gorby, is the modem in an m.2 slot? or what sort is it?
[16:48] <gorby> compdoc : PCIX
[16:48] <compdoc> wow
[16:49] <gorby> PCie sorry.
[16:50] <compdoc> oh
[16:50] <gorby> https://www.gigabyte.com/uk/Motherboard/GC-WB1733D-I-rev-10
[16:50] <compdoc> in the bios, is there a setting for pci-e latency timer? if there is and its set for 64, set it to 32 instead
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> gorby: assuming you are on 19.10 its kernel  <IP_ADDRESS>.33 now
[16:51] <gorby> compdoc : hmm, ok - the first error that shows up in dmesg after a crash is related to latency
[16:52] <compdoc> you should also check the modem is seated right, and that the pci-e card is in the slot properly
[16:52] <gorby> lotuspsychje : No, im running 18.04
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> gorby: ah youre on hwe kernel?
[16:53] <gorby> lotuspsychje : Just whats installed from apt upgradeing, yes.
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> gorby: ok, yes that seems correct then
[16:54] <gorby> compdoc: "[ 7572.354851] iwlwifi 0000:05:00.0: Error sending SCAN_CFG_CMD: time out after 2000ms." is always the first error after a crash.
[16:55] <gorby> If I apt remove the backports package and remove the source will it revert to what was there by default?
[16:55] <gorby> Id rather try these suggestions on what was put there by default rather than the backports module that hasnt worked.
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> gorby: bug #1848921
[16:56] <compdoc> gorby, that seems to be a known bug
[16:56] <gorby> Then try the July firmware others have said is stable.
[16:57] <oerheks> compdoc, i suggested https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/ubuntu/backport-iwlwifi
[16:58] <gorby> Oerheks : Just installed it, the same problem is still there.
[16:58] <gorby> Crashed after about 6 mins of iperf'ing my laptop.
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> gorby: wich brand is this please?
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> (laptop)
[16:59] <compdoc> This is a kernel 5.3 issue as it occurs in both Ubuntu 19.10 and Fedora 31, but not in earlier versions (Ubuntu 19.04 and Fedora 30 respectively).
[16:59] <gorby> lotspsychje : an old samsunglaptop - but, thats not the one with the problem.
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> gorby: yeah i like to know the brand of the problem laptop
[17:00] <gorby> lotuspsychje : The laptop is fine, its just useing GB ethernet.
[17:01] <gorby> The card in question is this one: https://www.gigabyte.com/uk/Motherboard/GC-WB1733D-I-rev-10
[17:01] <gorby> In my main PC (An Asus z97 Gamer mobo)
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[17:02] <gorby> Compdoc Ima try the 34 version firmware, as per this post after removeing the backports stuff.
[17:02] <compdoc> cool
[17:13] <RKRohk> Hey guys! I'm new to using ubuntu server headless. I want to create a setup in which, I can put my pc (running ubuntu server) in a corner of my house and use my raspberry pi and laptop to use the desktop / apps on it
[17:14] <RKRohk> I tried x11 forwarding over ssh but that was incredibly laggy, even over the same network
[17:14] <RKRohk> I'll be really grateful if anybody could point me in the right direction
[17:15] <leftyfb> RKRohk: X forwarding is what you're looking for
[17:16] <leftyfb> RKRohk: why do you need to run GUI apps from your "headless server" on your pi or laptop?
[17:16] <compdoc> I can run apps from ubuntu using x2go. its an option in the client called Published Applications. Can even run them in Win10
[17:17] <RKRohk> leftyfb I need to use android studio specifically and my PC makes a lot of noise so, I don't want to keep it in my room.
[17:18] <compdoc> however, I also have a minimal Mate desktop which has the apps to run
[17:19] <RKRohk> compdoc are apps over x2go smooth (ofc I get that there would be latency) like, sometimes over x11 forwarding, the android vm used to lag like a lot
[17:19] <compdoc> I guess there is no x2go client for android though
[17:19] <RKRohk> the animations were choppy and the experience wasn't great. But the IDE itself was smooth because it didn't need much graphics power
[17:19] <RKRohk> I don't need x2go for android
[17:19] <RKRohk> I just need it to run android studio
[17:24] <Nyle> 1~
[17:24] <Nyle> er
[17:33] <Sven_vB> RKRohk, consider what shall happen when your SSH connection breaks for whatever reason. X forwarding may be undesirable in that case.
[17:34] <RKRohk> It has happened quite a few times. I have lost my progress in those case
[17:34] <RKRohk> cases*
[17:35] <RKRohk> But my potato laptop is just too slow for the job.
[17:35] <Sven_vB> I'd try an X server with VNC as primary display, or a virtual or real display with VNC attached
[17:36] <RKRohk> Desktop over vnc is pretty slow too
[17:38] <oerheks> RKRohk, maybe stopping a torrent client helps
[17:39] <oerheks> else; yeah, vnx/x2go over 100 mbit can be a drag, but workable
[17:39] <RKRohk> I don't have any torrent client running.
[17:40] <RKRohk> It certainly is workable, I was just looking at stadia and was thinking to myself that if google can push such frames to me remotely, my desktop should be able to do that too
[17:52] <plutes> how to correctly report a bug? having never done it, it appears i have to recreate the bug, but this bug randomly disconnects me from the internet, i don't know how to do this.
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> plutes: before filing the bug, perhaps ask in the channel first, volunteers might know related bugs or solutions
[17:55] <plutes> so my bug i think is this one! i searched online and appears it can't be recreated ... /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1854]: (EE) client bug: timer event4 tap: offset negative (-18ms)
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> plutes: can you elaborate details a bit please, ubuntu version, kernel, what happens with gdm3 exactly?
[18:01] <vfbsilva> guys flash works here but I got no sound, what might be the issue? ubuntu 19.10
[18:03] <plutes> 19.10 , Linux version 5.3.0-26-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-013) (gcc version 9.2.1 20191008 (Ubuntu 9.2.1-9ubuntu2)) #28-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 18 05:37:46 UTC 2019
[18:03] <plutes>  ... i dont know anything about gdm3, i dont use it internationally. if you need any more info, please could provide commands... whats keeps happening is i get disconnected from irc, at random times, as if my system locks up and have to force restart by holding power button
[18:04] <tomreyn> plutes: some backgroungd on the message you quoted: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/faqs.html#what-causes-the-timer-offset-negative-warning
[18:08] <tomreyn> plutes: also this https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/2041
[18:08] <tomreyn> and bug 1856553 may be related
[18:09] <vfbsilva> guys I have no sound in flash
[18:09]  * tomreyn bbl
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> vfbsilva: wich browser? wich flash plugin are you using? did you test several flash url's?
[18:12] <vfbsilva> lotuspsychje: tried chromiun and firefox
[18:12] <vfbsilva> did try several how do I check nm flash plugin?>
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> !info flashplugin-installer | vfbsilva for firefox
[18:13] <plutes> tomreyn, i tried that ubuntu-bug mutter, thanks for that command
[18:16] <vfbsilva> lotuspsychje: did work thanks a lot
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> welcome vfbsilva
[18:18] <plutes> do you think my issue could be being caused by using a older low spec laptop and leaving it on 24/7
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> plutes: did you check the bug link tomreyn provided you? doublecheck if thats similar to your issue?
[18:20] <Sven_vB> how does the bionic mini iso work? is there a way to pre-configure network settings and SSH keys, then login remotely?
[18:22] <plutes> lotuspsychje, its similar, but im not seeing anything about being disconnected from network
[18:24] <ioria> Sven_vB, a bit old, but might work : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: No, there is not... mini.iso is a network client installer, it only has the ability to install locally, not be remote controlled
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> plutes: ubuntu version, and error/symptons look pretty similar to me
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> plutes: It's possible it's two unrealted things coincidentally occuring at the same time
[18:26] <plutes> lotuspsychje, could i send you my syslog priv?
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> what ever is causing the timer offset error, could also causing the network to disconnect
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | plutes
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> plutes: The volunteers here would prefer that you use public messaging, you are welcome to edit your syslog before posting to the ubuntu pastebin... If you use the ubuntu pastebin, you can set the expiration of the posting to ensure it is removed in a timely manner
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> plutes: i think affecting yourself to the bug tomreyn found might be a good idea, might speedup the solving of the bug too
[18:28] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, thanks!
[18:29] <ducasse> Sven_vB: iirc cloud-init can do at least some of that
[18:29] <plutes> will this get it fixed.. ubuntu-bug mutter... im not drunk enough to post my entire syslog on irc
[18:30] <ioria> plutes, what's the problem , exactly ?
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> plutes: that command will create a new bug, wich we dont reccomend, as tomreyn already found a related bug for you
[18:30] <Sven_vB> ducasse, where can I read about that?
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> ioria: plutes; whats keeps happening is i get disconnected from irc, at random times, as if my system locks up and have to force restart by holding power button
[18:31] <plutes> Sven_vB, degause?
[18:31] <ioria> lotuspsychje, thanx
[18:32] <Sven_vB> ducasse, plutes, I meant where to read about cloud-init. :)
[18:32] <ducasse> Sven_vB: https://cloud-init.io/ and https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html
[18:32] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[18:32] <ducasse> other than that, try google
[18:35] <Aavar> I am having issues with gnome-sushi (quick look). I know it worked earlier, but now the spacebar does nothing. It actually crashes nautilus. ANyone know what
[18:35] <Aavar> I am having issues with gnome-sushi (quick look). I know it worked earlier, but now the spacebar does nothing. It actually crashes nautilus. Anyone know what's up?
[18:36] <tomreyn> plutes: unless you're certain it's the exact same problem as in the existing ubuntu bug i referred to, please do run    ubuntu-bug mutter    to file a separate bug, then mention the other bug ID on your report (hinting it may be a duplicate). that's because it's always easier to merge existing bug reports than to separate any which turn out to not be related.
[18:36] <plujon> I'm trying to understand the partitions on a usb thumb drive.
[18:37] <plujon> I see and /dev/sdd1 /dev/sdd2.  But I don't understand:
[18:37] <plujon> 1. Why does df -h /dev/sdd1 show Size 16G (Filesystem udev), and sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdd1 shows 512 MiB ?
[18:40] <tomreyn> plujon: /dev/sdd1 is a "block special" file system object on a different file system ("udev", a virtual file system which is a form of a RAM disk), it is effectively just a pointer to the actual first partition on drive sdd. to access the data and file systems on this partition, the file system on the /dev/sdd1 partition needs to be mounted somewhere. when this is done, you can use sf against the mount point where the file system is mounted. df
[18:40] <tomreyn> only works with file systems, not partitions.
[18:41] <tomreyn> plujon: fdisk, however, works with partition tables and partitions only (it also mentions file systems but just for the purpose of assigning a specific partition type)
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> Aavar: any error logs you can trace?
[18:43] <murthy> Hello everyone
[18:44] <tomreyn> plujon: roughly spoken:    physical disk    ->    (partition table -> parititions) | raid | lvm | file system pools   ( -> ... )   -> file systems
[18:45] <murthy> I am trying to build a deb for pulseaudio module bluetooth with aptx and ldac support. I am able to build a deb, but after installation the modules are not detected.
[18:46] <murthy> It seems I need to set the rpath/runpath, I am a noob
[18:46] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-app-devel
[18:46] <murthy> I don't know where to set, whether to set it in cmake files or in debian/rules
[18:46] <murthy> tomreyn: me?
[18:47] <tomreyn> murthy: yes, you're looking for development support
[18:47] <murthy> tomreyn: ok, ty
[18:47] <plutes> tomreyn, i dont even really know if a bug is a hardware issue, os issue, or someone else causing me an issue. all i know is i keep getting moaned at for disconnecting, when i don't reboot, i keep computer on 24/7.. i don't know how to fix bugs, i look at the times, i get disconnected from irc on syslog, see a load of stuff... all i really want is to stop getting disconnected, its making me paranoid.
[18:49] <mybit> hi
[18:50] <murthy> mybit: hi
[18:50] <tomreyn> plutes: you could try using Xorg instead of xwayland, or a different irc client. and you could file the bug report and see whether more workarounds are suggested there.
[18:50] <mybit> when is roughly the packaging cutoff for ubuntu 20.04?
[18:50] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | mybit
[18:50] <mybit> ok thanks
[18:51] <murthy> tomreyn: does pulseaudio come under #ubuntu-app-devel or #ubuntu-devel?
[18:51] <plutes> tomreyn, hexchat or another xorg / weyland
[18:52] <tomreyn> plutes: is this a statement, or a question? i cannot tell.
[18:52] <tomreyn> (more context please)
[18:52] <blb4393> hi, why would minicom send only 0x0D and not 0x0A as the line terminator? No matter what I do ctrl-a-u or ctrl-a-a there's only 0x0D sent. I've checked and the version is 2.7.1 and isn't changing for the next releases
[18:53] <plutes> tomreyn, i have also been using irssi, along side hexchat. but i get disconnected at same time.
[18:53] <tomreyn> murthy: #ubuntu-app-devel is ábout software developed by the greater community, #ubuntu-devel is about software which is part of ubuntu
[18:53] <plutes> tomreyn, how do you remove weyland and use xorg
[18:53] <murthy> ok
[18:53] <murthy> plutes: wayland
[18:54] <tomreyn> plutes: whether you use xorg or wayland is what you choose when logging in. use the small cog icon to choose your session.
[18:54] <plutes> murthy, im chatting to tomreyn
[18:54] <murthy> plutes: still wayland
[18:58] <plutes> tomreyn, thanks, this is hexchat loggin? so hexchat causing network to crash!
[18:58] <plutes> murthy, dyslexic
[18:59] <murthy> plutes: sorry
[19:01] <plutes> murthy, no worries, im still good looking
[19:01] <murthy> :)
[19:05] <tomreyn> murthy: heychat is an irc client. wayland and xorg are graphics servers, a component of your graphical desktop.
[19:05] <tomreyn> *hexchat
[19:05] <ducasse> plutes: can you pastebin some of these disconnects from your syslog?
[19:05] <tomreyn> murthy: err sorry this wasnt for you
[19:06] <tomreyn> plutes: hexchat is an irc client. wayland and xorg are graphics servers, a component of your graphical desktop.
[19:08] <murthy> tomreyn: np
[19:08] <plutes> tomreyn, im sure its a hardware issue at its main cause, ive had this laptop apart so many times, i got some carboard pinning my network card in place as i lost the little screw. could it be that my old tip tap is at its end of life?
[19:09] <plutes> ducasse, i could do, ive been saving them to html docs, so syslog goes back a bit.
[19:17] <tomreyn> plutes: could be, could be not, could be but not be related to what you see. my crystal ball is out of order and we have been given no more than a single line of logs.
[19:19] <jrgilman> hey there, on 19.10, trying to update my initramfs but I'm getting: http://vpaste.net/p5Kbh
[19:20] <jrgilman> my understanding is I need to create a /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file with an entry that remaps to a new UUID for the swap part
[19:20] <jrgilman> ?
[19:20] <sarnold> jrgilman: do you *need* to do anything?
[19:20] <sarnold> jrgilman: does it currently work?
[19:21] <jrgilman> need to disable nouveau
[19:21] <tomreyn> jrgilman: "I:" stands for "information(al):" there, it's not a warning, not an error.
[19:21] <jrgilman> okay
[19:22] <tomreyn> jrgilman: how is "need to disable nouveau" related to this?
[19:22] <tomreyn> i.e. did you have more questions about it?
[19:23] <jrgilman> added blacklisting of it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[19:23] <jrgilman> eh, just having issues with getting the nvidia driver working and was following their instructions
[19:24] <jrgilman> Tried doing it via the additional drivers GUI, and it says all is bueno, but nvidia-smi disagrees
[19:25] <tomreyn> i'm not sure that blacklisting nouveau is a requirement for enabling nvidia drivers. if it is, i'm sure the "nvidia*" packages ubuntu provides will take care of it.
[19:25] <jrgilman> it's not, I'm just moving down the "Common Problems" section
[19:25] <Nyle> It's not.
[19:25] <plutes> tomreyn, bit above is last night when cursor locked up, below section is today, appears totally diff. the php cron job, appears empty compared to my server crontab .. https://bpaste.net/X7EQ
[19:26] <jrgilman> https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/435.21/README/commonproblems.html#nouveau
[19:26] <tomreyn> jrgilman: maybe start by discussing what does not work as expected,
[19:26] <ncuxo> Hello everybody
[19:26] <ncuxo> if I install 18.04 LTS do I have to reinstall for the next release 20.04 when it comes out or I could update with apt dist-upgrade?
[19:27] <ncuxo> because with apt dist-upgrade I've upgraded my 19.04 to 19.10 I'm not sure if it is the same for the LTS versions
[19:27] <jrgilman> none of the nvidia utilities are finding a driver
[19:27] <jrgilman> although i guess lsmod | grep nvidia returns one
[19:30] <quarterback> compiz and gnome-flashback are great together. I strongly recommend these for anybody using ubuntu or debian.
[19:33] <tomreyn> plutes: so are you using wayland or xorg? which ubuntu release is this, which xorg version, which kernel version, which graphics driver?
[19:33] <kinghat> as an app dev would it be wrong to store an app binary somewhere in the users home dir?
[19:33] <rfm> ncuxo, yes there will be an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 (LTS to LTS.)  it's do-release-upgrade not dist-upgrade.  when 20.04 is out read the release notes for instructions in case there's something special
[19:34] <ncuxo> oh okay :) thx
[19:34] <plutes> tomreyn, can you give me a command with that list please. i don't internationally use either.
[19:34] <rfm> ncuxo, note usually for LTS->LTS upgrades it's not offered by update-manager until the first point release is out (20.04.1) which will be July or so
[19:34] <plutes> 19.10
[19:35] <tomreyn> plutes: the log you posted shows the libinput related bug you discussed here initially, and your wireless connection failing. it doesn't immediately hint on these events being connected. unless your computer freezes for some seconds when this happens i would not expect it to be related.
[19:36] <plutes> how do i find graphics info, kernal list?
[19:36] <tomreyn> jrgilman: what's relevant is Xorg / Wayland logging which driver is being used, as well as the renderer reported by glxinfo -B
[19:36] <tomreyn> plutes: lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:37] <tomreyn> plutes: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[19:38] <plutes> 0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display [8086:0f31] (rev 0e)
[19:38] <plutes> 	Subsystem: Lenovo Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display [17aa:3905]
[19:38] <plutes> 	Kernel driver in use: i915
[19:38] <plutes> 	Kernel modules: i915
[19:38] <tomreyn> !paste | plutes
[19:40] <plutes> i don't trust netcat, as ive not learnt how to use it myself, i don't know termnin, i dont know what port 9999 does
[19:41] <sarnold> plutes: it's just like using pastebinit but with tools you already have installed: https://termbin.com/
[19:43] <plutes> sarnold, all i know nc can run commands on two clients.
[19:43] <tomreyn> plutes: netcat basically just sets up a tcp connection to the termbin.com server at port 9999 and posts anything the previous commands output to it. the server at the other end would then return a http address which is where what was posted can be accessed. see their website for details, or try: echo 'Hello World' | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:45] <jrgilman> tomreyn: where would the Xorg log for that be
[19:45] <jrgilman> ah
[19:45] <tomreyn> jrgilman: in the end it all goes into systemd-journal
[19:46] <plutes> tomreyn, another day learning nc maybe, is that the kernel info, graphic info you needed
[19:46] <tomreyn> (use journalctl)
[19:48] <tomreyn> plutes: we have since learnt that you run ubuntu 19.10 with intel integrated graphics. we don't know whether you're using the default kernel, Xorg or Wayland, and which version of it.
[19:49] <tomreyn> or whether you're botting with custom kernel parameters, or whether you have any other possibly relevant customizations in place.
[19:50] <plutes> if it was private i would, i could sniff this stuff all day long if i wanted as well. i think im gonna just go back to using a mac
[19:52] <plutes> 1207 people, percentage of blackhats im guessing high. considering i have a server i pay for, etc etc. just not worth it. im dyslexic not stupid
[19:53] <sarnold> plutes: if you want private support can you can get that too https://buy.ubuntu.com/collections/ubuntu-advantage-for-desktop
[19:53] <tomreyn> it's even cheaper than a mac
[19:55] <plutes> ive got enough mysql books, i need not worry about being moaned at by its channel admin.. would you lot really trust posting all your logs on irc. thanks for your help.
[19:56] <sarnold> plutes: my laptop https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K88St2Sncj/
[19:56] <sarnold> plutes: my big rig in the basement http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YGZmxP489p/
[19:56] <plutes> sarnold, i think you know 100% how to secure yours
[19:57] <ducasse> plutes: people post their logs all day long here without problems, usually little sensitive info there
[19:57] <pragmaticenigma> plutes: many, many people post their logs ... and the benefit of https://paste.ubuntu.com is that it is not indexed by search engines, and you can set the expiration date... so even though you paste the link here (which is logged publically) the link would be dead after the expriation.
[19:58] <tomreyn> there's not reall ymuch private information that goes into these logs, too. the worst is probably system usernames, ip addresses, mac addresses
[20:00] <tomreyn> the problem with your wireless connection dropping is likely bluetooth coexistence or crowded wireless channels
[20:01] <jrgilman> tomreyn: tried doing a clean install of the nvidia-435 driver from additional drivers and had a hang after itfinished some kind of ext4 metadata cleanuup
[20:02] <AngelKde> in the end they are just just logs
[20:02] <tomreyn> jrgilman: i don't see how these events are related. wanna show some logs?
[20:02] <plutes> i previously went without food to pay for that server, its alright you lot already know how to code, set up firewall's. youtube full on how to exploit all of them things. im seeing my bssid, rooter mac address, etc..  i already lost pictures of my daughter when she was a baby because some 1 had to break my system and swapped the password thinking it was funny
[20:02] <jrgilman> I don't believe they are, I'm just not sure what is after that part of boot
[20:02] <jrgilman> Let me find them
[20:04] <ioria> jrgilman, how old are the sata cables ?
[20:06] <plutes> thanks for you help though, i do appreciate it.
[20:07] <jrgilman> it's nvme, ioria it's unlikely to be that, that's just the last thing that completes properly
[20:08] <jrgilman> trying to look through dmesg one mine
[20:08] <ioria> jrgilman, ok
[20:17] <plutes> tomreyn, please give me the commands, ive done journalctl looks nothing like what they shared
[20:18] <tomreyn> plutes: i already did, just remove the     | nc termbin.com 9999     trailing part if you don't want this to be posted automatically
[20:19] <tomreyn> !irclogs | plutes
[20:20] <plutes> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:21] <ioria> plutes, maybe in terminal, not here
[20:22] <plutes> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/3cn3m
[20:23] <tomreyn> plutes: right, thanks, that's the output of the first series of commands i provided, which you previously posted to this channel. the second series of commands has the missing info.
[20:23] <plutes> https://termbin.com/pocl
[20:23] <plutes>  journal
[20:23] <plutes> tomreyn, system?
[20:25] <tomreyn> plutes: what do you mean?
[20:25] <plutes> what else should i type?
[20:25] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[20:26] <tomreyn> but you effectively posted much of this info in less accessible ways just now
[20:26] <tomreyn> actually no you didn't, those are very old logs
[20:26] <plutes> https://termbin.com/q4aa
[20:27] <tomreyn> if you want to post a current system log, use:    journalctl -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:27] <tomreyn> if you want to post a current system log, use:    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:27] <tomreyn> ^ the latter, typo fixed
[20:27] <tomreyn> ok, you'Re actually on xorg, not wayland
[20:28] <plujon> tomreyn: Thanks; I'm still a little confused.  I guess I don't understand what /dev/sdd1 actually is.
[20:28] <plujon> http://ix.io/28AU # fdisk output
[20:29] <tomreyn> plujon: sdd1 is the fourth (sda, sdb, sdc, sdd) hard disks' first (1) partition.
[20:29] <plutes> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:29] <tomreyn> plutes: into your terminal
[20:29] <plujon> tomreyn: Right.  I don't understand why it is on the disk at all.
[20:29] <plujon> I've seen several thumb drives with 2 partitions, and I have never understood why there are 2 rather than 1.
[20:30] <plutes> https://termbin.com/zb9os
[20:30] <oerheks> i think that is an EFI partition, as you formatted to GPT
[20:31] <tomreyn> plujon: it's a GPT partition table (not the old MBR one)
[20:31] <oerheks> * reserved
[20:31] <plujon> oerheks: Ah, that sounds promising...
[20:31] <plujon> An EFI partition would be if the drive had a bootable system on the other partition, right?
[20:32] <tomreyn> plutes: looking, this can take some 10 minutes to complete.
[20:32] <plujon> That would be its reason de etre...?
[20:32] <plutes> tomreyn, thanks for your time
[20:34] <plujon> I'm trying to create an exfat partition that I can use on Windows, Linux, and macOS.  I only today realized Windows couldn't read the drive.  I think I need to add the msftdata flag to the (gpt? second partition?)
[20:35] <oerheks> there are exfat utils, but please make an exfat thingy under windows
[20:38] <plujon> oerheks: sudo fdisk /dev/sdd t 2 11 w # done :-)
[20:39] <plujon> oerheks: https://matthew.komputerwiz.net/2015/12/13/formatting-universal-drive.html claims Linux is the only OS that succesfully creates a USB usable by the 3.  I don't know if it's true.
[20:39] <plujon> (sounds kind of dubious, but the page has high google rank)
[20:42] <jrgilman> tomreyn: sorry stepped away to eat lunch
[20:43] <jrgilman> i've got a dmesg from a broken boot
[20:44] <jrgilman> https://hastebin.com/zuwecegupe
[20:44] <jrgilman> tomreyn: ^
[20:45] <Rootdet> Hello Everyone
[20:46] <Rootdet> Is there an online demo of Landscape by chance?
[20:47] <Nyle> I don't know what is 'Landscape' if a proper noun.
[20:47] <tomreyn> plutes: latest bios for this Lenovo G50-30 is A7CN48WW (2015/08/03), you have A7CN44WW (10/21/2014). download and partial changelog at https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-g-series-laptops/g50-30-notebook-lenovo/80g0/downloads/DS100921
[20:47] <Nyle> I know what landscape is.
[20:47] <Rootdet> Ubuntu's Central management platform, often bundled with Ubuntu Advantage
[20:48] <ducasse> Rootdet: landscape is a commercial canonical offering, not supported here
[20:48] <tomreyn> plutes: i'm not sure you strictly need it, though, and you'd probably need windows to install it. /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/no-mac-addr-change.confhas invalid configurations (search the log you posted for this filename for details)
[20:48] <tomreyn> plutes: your kernel is a bit behind, update and reboot soon.
[20:48] <jrgilman> Rootdet: https://landscape.canonical.com/try-landscape
[20:51] <plutes> tomreyn, thanks, is that all? ive posted a lot of logs, im not sure what i have to do with the no mac
[20:55] <plutes> tomreyn, edit the match-device=driver ?
[20:56] <tomreyn> plutes: i'm still reading, but haven't found anything serious, yet. overall, runnign a web development environment and virusscanner on this system (slow CPU, not a lot of RAM) will certainly impact its usability as a desktop / laptop computer.
[20:57] <tomreyn> you do have an awful lot of these: "xdg-desktop-por[tal]: Failed to get application states: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.Failed: Could not get window list: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: App introspection not allowed", but i thinkt hat's just a bug in ubuntu 19.10 in general.
[20:58] <tomreyn> plutes: i don't knwo what you are referring to by saying "edit the match-device=driver ?"
[20:58] <plutes> tomreyn, tomreyn> plutes: i'm not sure you strictly need it, though, and you'd probably need windows to install it. /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/no-mac-addr-change.confhas invalid configurations (search the log you posted for this filename for details)
[20:59] <tomreyn> See also https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.14.1/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details on these "gdm-x-session[..]: (EE) event4  - ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded." errors
[21:01] <tomreyn> plutes: the erro message referencing /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/no-mac-addr-change.conf states "unknown key 'wifi.cloned-mac-address' in section [device-mac-addr-change-wifi] of file '/usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/no-mac-addr-change.conf'", it does not mention "match-device=driver"
[21:01] <plutes> tomreyn, it does if you nano it open
[21:02] <tomreyn> i don't think i have access to this system
[21:02] <plutes> tomreyn, i thought i had to add the mac addree
[21:04] <plutes> tomreyn, so inside it says, wifi.cloned-mac-address=preserve
[21:04] <tomreyn> what this message basically says is that the version of network manager (a network device configuration / management framework) you are running has read it configuration file at /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/no-mac-addr-change.conf and, in section "[device-mac-addr-change-wifi]", found a configuration "wifi.cloned-mac-address" it does not understand. it's probably best to just remove this configuration.
[21:05] <plutes> remove or edit =*
[21:06] <tomreyn> "remove"
[21:06] <tomreyn> you can comment it out if you prefer
[21:06] <plutes> # be alright
[21:06] <jrgilman> tomreyn: got nvidia working
[21:06] <tomreyn> jrgilman: good. sorry i couldn't look into it yet
[21:06] <jrgilman> instead of using the Software Updates > Additional Drivers I did sudo apt install nvidia-driver-435
[21:06] <jrgilman> no idea why the GUI didn't work
[21:06] <jrgilman> all good
[21:07] <plutes> jrgilman, sorry, his proven ubuntu community is better than apple support, his good hur
[21:08] <jrgilman> huh
[21:08] <jrgilman> I'm not sure I understood that
[21:08] <plutes> jrgilman, sorry for keeping him busy, his been helping me
[21:09] <jrgilman> ah, you're fine, he's here to help
[21:09] <jrgilman> well at least he does help
[21:09] <jrgilman> not sure if he's here for it :)
[21:09] <tomreyn> we're mostly volunteers here, i am.
[21:10] <plutes> tomreyn, thank you, play crypto duckhunt?
[21:11] <plutes> .balances
[21:12] <tomreyn> you're welcome, and i odn't play this (but let's focus on ubuntu support only on *this* channel - we have others such as #ubuntu-offtopic)
[21:14] <oerheks> as a user, you best don't edit files in /usr/lib/. Instead, place the file in /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d, and overwrite the setting.
[21:14] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1099398/correct-way-to-apply-wifi-mac-address-randomization
[21:15] <plutes> oerheks, i just sudo nano /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d and add a comment to that line. fingers crossed
[21:17] <tomreyn> thanks oerheks, i totally missed this was /usr/lib and not /etc
[21:18] <plutes> correction sudo nano /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/no-mac-addr-change.conf
[21:18] <tomreyn> this file is actually part of wpasupplicant on 19.10: https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/amd64/wpasupplicant/filelist
[21:18] <tomreyn> so i guess this is a bug in ubuntu
[21:19] <tomreyn> namely bug 1826639
[21:20] <plutes> tomreyn, is that whats been causing all the network shut downs
[21:20] <tomreyn> plutes: no, most likely not.
 the problem with your wireless connection dropping is likely bluetooth coexistence or crowded wireless channels
[21:21] <plutes> tomreyn, my bluetooth is off, i never use it
[21:21] <tomreyn> jrgilman: fwiw, your bios version is behind, but lenovo haven't pushed the latest two versions to fwupd.org, yet, so you can't have them automatically installed on ubuntu (you can manually, though).
[21:22] <plutes> only me andmy phone on the network
[21:22] <tomreyn> plutes: but the wireless channel it's using can still be crowded by other peoples' devices
[21:23] <plutes> tomreyn, so if i change my channel to something not being used, this should resolve it?
[21:25] <tomreyn> jrgilman: you have v1.22 (N27HT16W), fwupd.org has 1.21 (N27ET35W) https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/com.lenovo.ThinkPadN27ET.firmware and lenovo support has 1.24 (N27UL16W) https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-p-series-laptops/thinkpad-p52s-type-20lb-20lc/downloads/DS502394
[21:26] <jrgilman> oh nice
[21:27] <jrgilman> I'll do this ASAP
[21:27] <jrgilman> appreciate it
[21:27] <Aavar> I am having issues with gnome-sushi (quick look). I know it worked earlier, but now the spacebar does nothing. It actually crashes nautilus. Anyone know what's up?
[21:27] <tomreyn> plutes: if you can identify a less busy channel this can improve stability of your wireless LAN connection. if both your access point and wireless chipset on your computer support 5 Ghz you'll best switch to that
[21:27] <oerheks> sometimes a restart of the router fixes strange connection issues
[21:28] <plutes> tomreyn, tomreyn thanks, yeah wifite is avalable as standard ubuntu tool
[21:29] <plutes> is there a easy / quicker way to log this hexchat screen to a txt document for later reading?
[21:30] <oerheks> logs are stored, every hour
[21:30] <oerheks> !logs
[21:30] <plutes> |logs
[21:30] <plutes> !logs
[21:31] <oerheks> same factoid is limited to 1x min
[21:31] <oerheks> grinn
[21:32] <sarnold> plutes: check in ~/.config/hexchat/logs you may already have logs
[21:32] <oerheks> i think that is not enabled, standard
[21:32] <plutes> this is the place i been over looking, you guys are amazing
[21:32] <oerheks> i love the url grabber
[21:33] <tomreyn> "wlp2s0: CTRL-EVENT-BEACON-LOSS" is the first event logged when you get disconnected. which basically just means the wireless detected that it is  no longer connected to the access point.
[21:34] <plutes> sarnold, :>)
[21:35] <plutes> tomreyn, so im gonna have to sort out the channel
[21:36] <tomreyn> the access point is an ARRIS, it probbaly has logs, too, which you could correltate to ubuntu's based on the timestamps given
[21:37] <tomreyn> sorry about the typos, but i assume it's still readable.
[21:37] <Voziv> I've noticed my DNS queries slow down noticably over the day. For example resolving ubuntu.com for the first time took a few seconds. "dig ubuntu.com  0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 5.033 total". If I reboot it goes back to resolving near instantly
[21:38] <plutes> tomreyn, last night when cursor got stuck, i had loads of firfox windows open, but there was a warning i wrote down which also may be the cause. script:chrome://global/content/elements/notificationbox.js:51
[21:38] <Voziv> I do have "dns=dnsmasq" in my NetworkManager.conf (Ubuntu  19.10) as I use it to redirect *.test domains back to my machine, not sure if that would be related at all
[21:39] <sarnold> Voziv: maybe systemd-resolve --status gets you a starting point
[21:39] <plutes> tomreyn, can i access them logs, from my ubuntu terminal, or via 192.*.*.*
[21:40] <sarnold> Voziv: you can query individual servers with dig as well, dig ubuntu.com dig ubuntu.com @<IP_ADDRESS>   or dig ubuntu.com @<IP_ADDRESS>  or dig ubuntu.com @<IP_ADDRESS>  etc -- check all the resolvers that you're configured to use
[21:41] <tomreyn> plutes: probably a web interface on your router at <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:41] <jrgilman> updated tomreyn thanks :)
[21:41] <tomreyn> jrgilman: you're welcome.
[21:41] <jrgilman> do you just know that off the top of your head or do you always check stuff like that haha
[21:42] <tomreyn> plutes: the firefox error message you noted down there does not really help, i'm afraid. but "lots of firefox windows open" is probably incompatible with the amount of memory (3.6G RAM for Linux and all applications and services) you have.
[21:43] <Kireji> I just found my ubuntu instance using curl to access motd, and reporting in the user agent string the distribution,details of the hardware platform and cpu and the current uptime.
[21:43] <Kireji> not happy :(
[21:43] <tomreyn> jrgilman: :) i checked it for you.
[21:43] <jrgilman> thanks :)
[21:43] <Kireji> that's an egregious privacy violation, one that I never consented to
[21:44] <plutes> tomreyn, thanks for your time, you have been great help.. yeah i need a new laptop, probably pushed it way to much... still working so ubuntus alright
[21:44] <tomreyn> Kireji: exact CPU and uptime in user agent?
[21:44] <Voziv> Hmm, external dns (router and internet) seem to respond instantly, but <IP_ADDRESS> takes forever
[21:44] <tomreyn> Kireji: generally, #ubuntu-discuss is better for this topic
[21:45] <Kireji> yup
[21:45] <tomreyn> plutes: you're welcome
[21:45] <Kireji> IT EVEN LISTED THE CURRENT KERNEL VERSION
[21:46] <tomreyn> Kireji: since this is not a support topic, if you're happy to share the http request you caught there on #ubuntu-discuss, i'd be interested (possibly after redaction).
[21:47] <plutes> sarnold, omg ive got every log there is to have
[21:48] <Kireji> https://www.pastiebin.com/5e30ac25cc099
[21:49] <Voziv> Looks like it's dnsmasq being slow I suppose. Is there a better option to be able to redirect TLD's/wildcard domains to use a different DNS server?
[22:11] <Sven_vB> in an all-defaults bionic live session, (how) can I change the Gnome keyboard layout via CLI?
[22:14] <Sven_vB> found it
[22:14] <Aavar> I am having issues with gnome-sushi (quick look). I know it worked earlier, but now the spacebar does nothing. It actually crashes nautilus. Anyone know what's up?
[22:29] <oerheks> Aavar, there seem to be some issues https://askubuntu.com/questions/1157479/using-sushi-on-ubuntu-19-04
[22:29] <oerheks> not sure what ubuntu version/sushi version you are on ..
[22:36] <gurkan-baerbar> Hi. I recently changed Linux distro to Ubuntu but wasnt aware of the automatic updates. I always use rkhunter before I manually update and today I got a warning in /usr/bin/chattr and /usr/bin/lsattr. Does anyone know if there has been updates on "chattr" and "lsattr" recently? Both files are dated 22 jan 15:40:45 on both
[22:40] <oerheks> 	e2fsprogs perhaps?
[22:41] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=bionic&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=chattr
[22:41] <oerheks> 22 jan http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs_1.44.1-1ubuntu1.3/changelog
[22:42] <oerheks> so it is a false positive.
[22:43] <Aavar> oerheks: Thank you. Actually, a reboot did the trick for some reason. I think I tried that before, but... Thank you anyway :)
[22:44] <gorby> Yo oerheks / compdoc - I think useing the intel firmware sorted my wireless problem out. Cheers for the help/.
[22:45] <gorby> Iperf ran w/o probs for an hour, and DLNA streaming no longer crashes the driver either \o/
[22:45] <oerheks> :-)
[22:45] <oerheks> have fun!
[22:45] <jeremy31> gorby: needed firmware that wasn't already there?
[22:46] <gorby> Its weird, the version looks the same as one I tried that was already in lib/firmware.
[22:46] <gorby> But, this one seems to work.
[22:47] <gorby> Could be something i did in the bios as well.
[22:47] <gorby> Couldnt find a pciE latency setting but I turned one of the slots down to gen 1
[22:48] <jeremy31> gorby: if it happens again see if power management is on in iwconfig results
[22:48] <gorby> I disabled that in settings.
[22:48] <gorby> but, it doesnt work in the config file.
[22:49] <gorby> Have to do it manually with iwconfig
[22:49] <jeremy31> gorby: check>  cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[22:49] <gorby> Read something about the firmware overwriteing it.
[22:49] <gorby> ty.
[22:50] <jeremy31> If that shows a 3 Network Manager can enable power management or at least try
[22:53] <gurkan-baerbar> @oerheks : Thank you for the links! Both chattr and lsattr shows up under e2fsprogs. As you said, false positive then :)
[22:54] <gorby> Jeremy31: yeah its at 3.
[22:54] <jeremy31> gorby: If it causes problems, run>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[22:55] <gorby> iwlwifi.conf has options iwlwifi power_save=0 but it doesnt do anything.
[22:55] <gorby> Cheers man.
[22:56] <jeremy31> gorby enjoy
[22:56] <gurkan-baerbar> oerheks: Thank you for the links! Both chattr and lsattr shows up under e2fsprogs. As you said, false positive then :)
[23:14] <Greg> anywhere I can get someone to backport a package to trusty for me? I tried asking in #ubuntu-packaging but its been completely dead for 3 days now
[23:15] <tomreyn> so, just like trusty?
[23:15] <Greg> its for travis-ci
[23:15] <Greg> I don't use ubuntu
[23:16] <tomreyn> then you seem to be on the wrong channel
[23:16] <tomreyn> *asking
[23:16] <Greg> travis-ci uses ubuntu trusty
[23:16] <jeremy31> Greg trusty is unsupported now
[23:17] <tomreyn> /join #travis-ci
[23:17] <tomreyn> actually just #travis
[23:17] <Greg> and I need a package backported. It should be relatively easy as I dont think there are any deps
[23:18] <Greg> I've asked about this before and theyve told me to take it w/ ubuntu ppls
[23:19] <tomreyn> there's commercial support for EOL releases you could try - maybe that's what they meant: https://buy.ubuntu.com/collections/ubuntu-advantage-for-desktop
[23:20] <mrsideways> which file to I set vm.swappiness so it persists over reboots?
[23:20] <Greg> I just need someone running ubuntu familar w/ the ppa process to run w/e the command is to push a package to a ppa for trusty
[23:20] <tomreyn> mrsideways: somewhere in  /etc/sysctl.d/
[23:21] <oerheks> Greg, no way one would do that for EOL releases, build it yourself?
[23:21] <Greg> oerheks, the ppa thing builds it
[23:21] <mrsideways> thankyou tomreyn
[23:21] <tomreyn> Greg: package backport requests are not in scope of this support channel, especially not for EOL releases.
[23:21] <oerheks> good luck.
[23:22] <Greg> I wish yall didnt have releases at all then I wouldnt have this issue :P
[23:23] <mrsideways> so tomreyn can I edit this 99-sysctl.cfg file by adding "vm.swappiness=0" to an empty line?
[23:24] <tomreyn> mrsideways: yes, or you could create a new one, which may be better, e.g. /etc/sysctl.d/20-swap.conf
[23:24] <mrsideways> tomreyn, would it be loaded automatically or do I need to add it to a list of files to be loaded?
[23:25] <tomreyn> mrsideways: theres a file in this directory which wants oyu to read it
[23:25] <oerheks> Ubuntu 14.04.6 LTS , ESM paid support April 2022
[23:25] <oerheks> !esm
[23:25] <mrsideways> thank you tomreyn I think I have the info I need now:D
[23:26] <tomreyn> mrsideways: so may suggestion was actually not good, better name the file /etc/sysctl.d/60-swap.conf
[23:26] <mrsideways> okay, thank you very much then!
[23:26] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[23:46] <sarnold> plutes: log ALL the things!
[23:51] <tripelb> Oh i  so frustrated. On a usb 18.04 cant see my wifi signal. I want to log into cinnamint but I dont know if I even made any users. So I popped in an ubuntu usb and It says home is empty. Now what? I am using a usb kb because the built-in one has dead keys. And for some reason ot soea not see MY wifi signal.
[23:53] <tripelb> If I am using ui to look at a volume, how can I find out what knond of linux is on that volume?
[23:53] <tripelb> Using a GUI
[23:55] <compdoc> the volume has an OS installed on it?
[23:55] <compdoc> or do you mean how the volume is formatted?
[23:57] <sarnold> look for /etc/*release* in the volume, that might tell you what's on it