[12:00] <fnd> foxiness: hand off means, that
[12:00] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yet Windows rules on games.....and i find that to be the weakest point in Linux :S
[12:00] <kbrooks> foxiness: when i said grandma i meant 'idiot', aka newb
[12:00] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its not linux's fault ok
[12:00] <cafuego> aru: Keeps dropping out and reclaiming nick via nickserv.
[12:01] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i want to play ANY game...with full hardware juice lol
[12:01] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: so....let me get this straight
[12:01] <flyingpenguin900> LuNaTiK^GuY, play ut2k4
[12:01] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: dont distract
[12:01] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, PS2
[12:02] <acid2> Hey - where can I find a nice sources.list ?
[12:02] <qt2> is ti jsut me or does xffm4-icons seem like a messed up package, its icons for xffm, but it tries to remove xfce4, xfce4-devel & xffm4...? doesn't that seem a bit odd?
[12:02] <foxiness> better than all pnp
[12:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i dont want to buy a PS2
[12:02] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: you want all games to automatically have 3D accel and everything without any configuration?
[12:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot now?
[12:02] <cafuego> acid2: sudo 'apt-setup'
[12:02] <foxiness> safe your time and mony
[12:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kbrooks yes :)
[12:03] <sailor339> Hey
[12:03] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, you need to buy new harddisk soon than
[12:03] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: automatic is a bit diff to accomplish
[12:03] <kbrooks> foxiness: ummm
[12:03] <kbrooks> foxiness: shush
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kbrooks: its done in windows no?
[12:03] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, new vidocard >>>>>
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> u install it
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> etc etc
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> done
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i got an Nvidia 6800
[12:03] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: directx and vid card drivers and thats it
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> pretty good card!!
[12:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i had read an article
[12:04] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: however, linux is a bit harder
[12:04] <everett_> !ati
[12:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:04] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: link?
[12:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> even if Doom 3 was Open GL compliant...and playabe in linux........yet under windows it scored more frams
[12:04] <ksyms> I have edited /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc removing -nolisten tcp and it still starting with it, any idea?
[12:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> www.anandtech.com
[12:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[12:04] <fnd> omg
[12:04] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: direct link
[12:04] <foxiness> ubotu, is it support 3D
[12:04] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, foxiness
[12:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> let me find it
[12:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/lh4058_review_08.jpg --> Win isnt looking that different....
[12:05] <fnd> hmm harcd[ocp]  link might be use full on this
[12:06] <fnd> hardocp even
[12:06] <DaSkreech> Can I apt-get downgrade a package?
[12:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Doom 3 battle: http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2241
[12:06] <DaSkreech> Yes it is for X.org :)
[12:06] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, yes
[12:06] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: Wonderful is there a tutorial I can read?
[12:06] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, you can downgrade a package easily in synaptic by selecting the package and choosing force version
[12:07] <DaSkreech> Ah
[12:07] <flyingpenguin900> What is the path to mice in ubuntu?
[12:07] <Antinomy> ANyone suggest an alternative Distro than Ubuntu?
[12:07] <Andares> Ahh...
[12:07] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, package > Force Version
[12:07] <Andares> Where is .xinitrc located in Ubuntu?
[12:07] <Andares> It's not showing up with slocate.
[12:07] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: and if the problem is that I can't get to Synaptic which is why I need to install an old package? :)
[12:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> windows scored better on a linux-compatible game......
[12:07] <jasoncohen> Antinomy, what are you looking for in a distro?
[12:07] <Triffid_Hunter> Antinomy: gentoo?
[12:07] <Virtuall> LuNaTiK^GuY, looks like shit (I mean, like expected)
[12:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thats y i cant remove Win ;)
[12:07] <Triffid_Hunter> flyingpenguin900: /dev/input/mice should work
[12:07] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, what did you do?
[12:08] <qt2> Andares, /dev/input/mice
[12:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Virtuall: why?
[12:08] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: Up dated X
[12:08] <Andares> qt2, why is it there?!
[12:08] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, why are you running breezy?
[12:08] <Virtuall> don't know. imo even worse than xp
[12:08] <Andares> How do I use a window manager of my choice?
[12:08] <qt2> Andares, i dont know, because it should be!?
[12:08] <DaSkreech> testing
[12:08] <Antinomy> let's see something as user friendly as Ubuntu - I just cant get it to work on my laptop
[12:08] <Andares> qt2, .xinitrc? the x server conf file?
[12:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Virtuall: i was talkin about Doom 3 lolllllllllllll
[12:08] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, if you aren't a developer you shouldn't be using breezy. it's unstable
[12:08] <fnd> i can think better than a game score, ohh wait i still run linux.. oh and OSX... must be bad
[12:08] <Antinomy> I've heard gentoo
[12:08] <qt2> Andares, install it, choose it in the session manager.
[12:08] <jasoncohen> and it's not meant for regular users
[12:08] <foxiness> Antinomy, suse 9.3
[12:09] <qt2> Andares, no, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:09] <Andares> qt2, I installed it manually.
[12:09] <Antinomy> is that a good one?
[12:09] <Andares> Don't I have to edit stuff first?
[12:09] <Virtuall> LuNaTiK^GuY, i was talkin bout 1st screen
[12:09] <Virtuall> ;)
[12:09] <Antinomy> suse 9.3 ok
[12:09] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: Understood
[12:09] <benplaut> has anyone here successfully set up winetools with the wine cvs? (from the tutorial)
[12:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[12:09] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, downgrading something like xorg isn't going to be easy because of all of its dependencies.
[12:09] <Antinomy> hmmm....when is breezy coming out?
[12:09] <jasoncohen> you should be using hoary
[12:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Antinomy: i'm using it and i love it.. ubuntu started annoying me before it even started installing...
[12:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot about Doom 3 wars.....Win performed better
[12:09] <jasoncohen> Antinomy, october
[12:09] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: There are some Mono apps that work better under breezy that we are very interested in
[12:09] <Andares> qt2, don't I need to edit some conf file to get it to be recognized? I installed it to /usr/share
[12:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any explanation?
[12:09] <Antinomy> Triffid_Hunter: suse?
[12:09] <Antinomy> jasoncohen: cool, thanks
[12:09] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: All of our machines run Ubuntu Hoary cept one
[12:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Antinomy: haven't tried suse
[12:10] <Antinomy> Triffid_Hunter: sorry which one? gentoo?
[12:10] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, well, then you have to accept the instability and you should learn how to fix it yourself by reading the apt howto. you should be a knowledgable debian user
[12:10] <DaSkreech> Which isn't critical but when it breaks we like to fix it and document it to make life easier in the future :)
[12:10] <jasoncohen> if you came from sid it wouldn't be so bad
[12:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Antinomy: that's what i'm using, yeah..
[12:10] <benplaut> wine'd IE6 setup can't find an internet connection... any fix?
[12:10] <Antinomy> ok thanks
[12:10] <DaSkreech> Ah :-)
[12:10] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, these things can be fixed but not easily
[12:10] <Antinomy> Just cant get UBU to work
[12:10] <DaSkreech> Sid vicious
[12:10] <jasoncohen> apt is meant to upgrade- not downgrade
[12:11] <jasoncohen> you would have to downgrade every package that depends on the new xorg version
[12:11] <DaSkreech> I'll use dpkg
[12:11] <jasoncohen> to the old version
[12:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> benplaut: why use IE?
[12:11] <DaSkreech> I just removed them
[12:11] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, what's wrong with mono 1.1.7 in backports?
[12:11] <benplaut> LuNaTiK: required for setting up Wine
[12:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh ic
[12:11] <acid2> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[12:11] <zukalk> i have a friend i'm trying to convince to make The Switch, but he's working with Freehand and Flash and needs his tools. is there any alternative to Wine in Ubuntu?
[12:12] <acid2> What can I do about that? (Apt-get update error)
[12:12] <zukalk> i mean, is there any other program besides Macromedia's?
[12:12] <qt2> Andares, what WM is it?
[12:12] <qt2> WM/DE
[12:13] <Burgundavia> acid2, don't use marilliat. Hoary-extras from the backports project has the same packages, but compiled for hoary
[12:13] <kbrooks> !marillat
[12:13] <ubotu> kbrooks: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:13] <dkoh2> hi
[12:13] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:13] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, kbrooks
[12:13] <dkoh2> would you guys know how to connect to a hp printer via ip?
[12:13] <zukalk> !marillat is evil
[12:13] <ubotu> okay, zukalk
[12:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot do u ppl prefer....Mac OS or Win ?
[12:13] <dkoh2> I have samba installed
[12:13] <bassinbo1> what game on ubuntu can i try out my joy stick on?
[12:14] <acid2> Burgundavia, ok
[12:14] <guerby> edi, after much looking around openvpn static ip per client is not ipp.txt, you have to uncomment client-config-dir ccd, create a openvpn/ccd directory with one file per client containing ifconfig-push IP1 IP2 from the authorized list of pairs. Then all works perfectly :)
[12:14] <psychonate> bassinbo1, tuxkart has support I believe
[12:14] <guerby> edi, thanks for your hint
[12:14] <foxiness> i want to install last ver of Mono 1.1.7  , but b4 that i want to uninstall 1.1.6 what i install it from souce package anyone can help please?!
[12:14] <fnd> dkoh2: FAQ on priniting
[12:14] <jasoncohen> zukalk, you might want to look at crossover office. it's a commercial application based on wine that is setup to work with applications like dreamweaver, shockwave, photoshop, office etc specifically
[12:14] <kbrooks> ubotu: marilliat is <reply>Please do not use marilliat. Hoary-extras from the backports project has the same packages in marilliat, but compiled for hoary
[12:14] <ubotu> kbrooks: okay
[12:14] <psychonate> I used to use an xbox controller with tuxkart.
[12:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> foxiness.....ur coding in C#?
[12:14] <jasoncohen> zukalk, it's $40
[12:14] <kbrooks> ubotu: marilliat
[12:14] <ubotu> Please do not use marilliat. Hoary-extras from the backports project has the same packages in marilliat, but compiled for hoary
[12:14] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:15] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:15] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:15] <acid2> guerby, try make uninstall
[12:15] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:15] <acid2> ermm
[12:15] <acid2> foxiness, even
[12:15] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, no , i want to uninstall mono
[12:15] <zukalk> jasoncohen, thanks. are there programs made for Linux?
[12:15] <dkoh2> fnd: where is that faq?
[12:16] <jasoncohen> zukalk, no- they are windows programs that can run in crossover office. crossover office is basically a highly refined wine
[12:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is there some kind of uninstall script?
[12:16] <acid2> foxiness, if you built from source, try "make uninstall"
[12:16] <foxiness> acid2, k
[12:16] <acid2> maybe make remove, I think one of the exists in the Mono makefile
[12:16] <foxiness> thanks acid2
[12:16] <acid2> it work?
[12:16] <Luk> hola
[12:16] <fnd> dkoh2: this is where i hand over to ppl, tbh i dont know, looked at local help
[12:16] <tarvid> sorry for being such a pest but is there a way to chroot ssh users such that they can only see their directory
[12:16] <acid2> lo
[12:17] <foxiness> i will try it now and than will informed you
[12:17] <acid2> sure
[12:17] <umberleigh> hey, gnome's menu configuration system seems to be broken on my fresh hoary install. i goto applications:/// or applications-all-users:/// in nautilus and it tells me they're not valid locations. any idea how to fix it / what might be up?
[12:17] <jasoncohen> acid2, not all packages built from source have a make uninstall function
[12:17] <acid2> jasoncohen, I know
[12:17] <Luk> chile
[12:17] <acid2> I think mono has an uninstall target, thats all
[12:17] <zukalk> jasoncohen, thanks. let's see if i save his soul before microsuck get him
[12:17] <Luk> hola
[12:17] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, it's not broken. it just wasn't added to 2.10. there's no way to edit menus by default in 2.10
[12:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> anyone ever tried XP/DE?
[12:18] <umberleigh> :'-(
[12:18] <Luk> ubuntu
[12:18] <Luk> bye
[12:18] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, add hoary-backports and install smeg
[12:18] <ColonelKernel> my power went out and now my /boot is 15% non-contiguous - how do I fix this?
[12:18] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, or download it directly
[12:18] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, me
[12:18] <mactiny> i seem to be gettting different reports, when exactly is breezy gonna come out
[12:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> foxiness: is it good?
[12:18] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/
[12:18] <acid2> mactiny, october?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> mactiny, October 13, 2005
[12:18] <umberleigh> thanks jasoncohen
[12:18] <mactiny> oh ok
[12:18] <mactiny> thanks
[12:18] <phixion> anyone here ever have probs with Music Player when trying to open a few thousand mp3s?
[12:19] <acid2> nope
[12:19] <phixion> mine seems to stop adding them after a while :/
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i never tried opening a few thousand lol!! :)
[12:19] <acid2> they have bad tags then
[12:19] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, the desktop working but not the app that with me
[12:19] <phixion> still says 'loading songs'
[12:19] <acid2> yea, clik
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> foxiness: thanks
[12:19] <acid2> click*
[12:19] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone know how to access a fat32 parition on ubuntu version 5.04?
[12:19] <acid2> and it will crash
[12:19] <acid2> you need to locate the bad files
[12:19] <ColonelKernel> my poor /boot!
[12:19] <phixion> how do i do that? ;/
[12:19] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, you are welcome :)
[12:19] <jasoncohen> phixion, rhythmbox? how are you adding them?
[12:19] <fnd> phixion: trya diff mp3 player
[12:19] <kbrooks> BlazingSteakSauc:
[12:19] <acid2> see the rhythmbox faq on the rhythm box website for more
[12:19] <ksyms> Is magic necessary to make X start without nolisten?
[12:19] <kbrooks> !mount
[12:19] <ubotu> from memory, mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:19] <jasoncohen> BlazingSteakSauc, add the partition to /etc/fstab
[12:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> that work for ntfs as well
[12:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> ?*
[12:20] <kbrooks> jasoncohen: use ubotu dude
[12:20] <ColonelKernel> is there anything I can do to fix my /boot - it is 15% non contiguous after a power outage - and im buying a UPS
[12:20] <phixion> yeah rhythm box
[12:20] <acid2> BlazingSteakSauc, yup
[12:20] <jasoncohen> phixion, did you go to library > add to library
[12:20] <kbrooks> BlazingSteakSauc: use ubotu
[12:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got dual boot so that helps
[12:20] <kbrooks> acid2: cut it
[12:20] <acid2> kbrooks, ... ?
[12:20] <jasoncohen> kbrooks, i didn't know about that one
[12:20] <phixion> yeah i added my mp3 folder to library when starting up
[12:20] <wing`> someone there can tell me why when i exit Enemy Territory (game) the X dekstop gets bigger (zoom), and how i can fix it without restarting?
[12:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got games and stuff on the ntfs so im not removing it
[12:20] <nalioths_dog> BlazingSteakSauc: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[12:20] <ColonelKernel> wing hit ctrl+alt++
[12:21] <ColonelKernel> hmm
[12:21] <jasoncohen> um, why?
[12:21] <ColonelKernel> ctrl_alt_+
[12:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> k
[12:21] <wing`> ok
[12:21] <wing`> thanks
[12:21] <kbrooks> acid2 and jasoncohen: I suggest you not make a user edit a configuration file
[12:21] <wing`> ill need to that always?
[12:21] <jasoncohen> nalioth_wrkn, they should mount automatically anyways with mount -a
[12:21] <acid2> when did i suggest that?
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wowww
[12:21] <acid2> o.O
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> this is nice!
[12:21] <nalioth_wrkn> phixion: depending on your hardware adding a few thousand to anything can slow things down
[12:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> i wish my files would work on it that are windows compat only
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Ctrl Alt +/-
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[12:21] <phixion> im suprised if theres bad tags, even if I add my 'scene' folder with scene releases in it does the same
[12:21] <jasoncohen> nalioth_wrkn, and that's run at boot up
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> WOW
[12:21] <ColonelKernel> wing` you shouldnt - I dont know why its doing that - what kind of video card?
[12:21] <umberleigh> how do i add backports to my repository? is it just a case of adding 'backports' as a sections keyword?
[12:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> wine don't seem to finction with them
[12:21] <wing`> ColonelKernel, geforce mx440-se
[12:22] <ColonelKernel> wing` it shouldnt be a problem
[12:22] <wing`> :|
[12:22] <nalioth> jasoncohen: ok
[12:22] <Burgundavia> umberleigh, not yet
[12:22] <jasoncohen> kbrooks, that's exactly what they'll be doing if they follow the wiki
[12:22] <Burgundavia> umberleigh, www.ubuntuforums.org has the info
[12:22] <flyingpenguin900> Is there a way that I could download and install Nvidia drivers from the terminal?
[12:22] <ColonelKernel> I run it on a mx4408xagp and it runs like a champ - maybe you dont have double buffering enabled or something
[12:22] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: yes
[12:22] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, yes
[12:22] <acid2> flyingpenguin900, wget
[12:22] <umberleigh> thank
[12:22] <umberleigh> Burgundavia, thanks
[12:22] <flyingpenguin900> Could someone walk me through that?
[12:22] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, you can apt-get them
[12:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> flyingpenguin900:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:22] <droob> hi all.
[12:22] <wing`> ColonelKernel, do you know where i can find those settings?
[12:22] <acid2> or that
[12:22] <acid2> :D
[12:23] <foxiness> acid2, i found to folder for mono 1.0.6 and 1.1.6 i dont remember wich one i install , is there away to know it
[12:23] <jasoncohen> nalioth, auto is default. if you don't want it to mount you can add noauto
[12:23] <ColonelKernel> wing` in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:23] <droob> I'm a brand-new live CD users, and I'm pretty impressed.
[12:23] <acid2> fonsken, hmm.. "mono -v" ?
[12:23] <acid2> actually
[12:23] <BlazingSteakSauc> does the sandisk solid state usb sticks need drivers for ubuntu
[12:23] <acid2> "mono -V"
[12:23] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, no
[12:23] <darkmatter> g'afternoon all
[12:23] <acid2> maybe mcs -V
[12:23] <BlazingSteakSauc> im not on the os right now so can't try
[12:23] <kbrooks> BlazingSteakSauc: try it and see
[12:23] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:23] <ColonelKernel> wing` in the Modules section
[12:23] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, look at the example hoary configuration
[12:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> in 2 months i want to setup my ubuntu system to perfection
[12:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and impress my university buddies ;)
[12:24] <Andares> qt2!!!
[12:24] <foxiness> acid2, Mono JIT compiler version 1.0.6 , thanks
[12:24] <ColonelKernel> Im pretty sure mine is close
[12:24] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, "sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:24] <acid2> foxiness, :)
[12:24] <Andares> xorg.conf has NOTHING to do with desktop environments
[12:24] <ColonelKernel> I cant figure out how to get mythtv running
[12:24] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm setting up an NIS server and reading the doc that comes with the debian. It says I should add "+::::::" to the end of my /etc/passwd and shadow.  The master drive mounts, but this one doesn't. I know it's a working pull from a linux system. Any ideas?
[12:25] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, so, what's the problem?
[12:26] <wing`> ColonelKernel, im using hehe, i didnt even played the game... just enter and exit
[12:26] <BlazingSteakSauc> is there a way to ghost a already installed windows to allow the programs to work with out wine?
[12:26] <ColonelKernel> i was just tired it was late last night, Ill figure it out once I get my /boot fixed
[12:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> ColonelKernel: I fought with that and gave up. Of course I had a NVidia to complicate things.
[12:26] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: make sure you have everything installed that your college buddies threw at ya! THEN, they'll be impressed! ;)
[12:26] <ColonelKernel> I have an Nvidia as well
[12:26] <jasoncohen> what's wrong with nvidia
[12:26] <jasoncohen> it's actually recommended
[12:26] <ColonelKernel> tvtime works well but it needs better deinterlacing
[12:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: thats a bit tough :(
[12:26] <phixion> well, i finally got azureus working after installing the website version instead of apt-get :) so im happy
[12:26] <ColonelKernel> I love nvidia and linux
[12:26] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, mythtv is not for watching tv. it's a full blown PVR app + more
[12:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: Visual Studio, Dirext X games
[12:27] <foxiness> acid2, thanks its now uninstall suff....
[12:27] <ColonelKernel> all I want to do is watch tv with the best possible picture
[12:27] <jasoncohen> it's not worth the setup as a viewer
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> jasoncohen, really? I wish I were at home, I'd give it another round.
[12:27] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: well, you have TWO months to figure it out. :p
[12:27] <ColonelKernel> tvtime is close but needs improvement
[12:27] <ColonelKernel> somene ought to tell vektor to add tomsmocomp2
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> ColonelKernel, jasoncohen: I used TVTime
[12:27] <othernoob> does anyone know a better program than unrar to extract multiple rar files which are split up into several files?
[12:27] <flyingpenguin900> Is there some sort of nvidia command that edits the Xorg.conf?
[12:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: 2 months to do wot i did in 10yrs lol :)
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> jasoncohen: very easy to set up
[12:28] <jasoncohen> FlyingSquirrel32, yes, i have mythtv setup so that i can schedule recordings on the web, watch my movies with IMDB info + dvd covers + info, record all my shows + auto-skip commercials and denoise for higher quality. i can play DVDs and my music, check weather etc.
[12:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: well we can rule out games...this is for student work :)
[12:28] <jasoncohen> FlyingSquirrel32, tvtime is just a simple viewer
[12:28] <jasoncohen> mythtv isn't
[12:28] <foxiness> http://patches.ximian.com/Ubuntu_Installation , any one here try beagle on ubuntu "is this link the best way to install it"
[12:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is there a Mono Binary?
[12:28] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: yeah. too bad about games. :(
[12:28] <jasoncohen> mythtv is a PVR suite that has a backend server and a mysql database
[12:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> that can be installed by runnnig a script?
[12:28] <flyingpenguin900> Was I supposed to remove ati drivers before installing Nvidia drivers?
[12:28] <ColonelKernel> flyingpenguin900 use nano and its not an nvidia command - if yorue xorg.conf got overwritten it means there was a problem loading your driver and it overwrote your xorg.conf with a safe default and backed your old one up to xorg.conf.backup
[12:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> jasoncohen: I imagine Myth is worth the work.
[12:28] <ColonelKernel> flyingpenguin900 yes.
[12:28] <Chris_Tucker> what are .dsc's?
[12:28] <droob> othernoob: is unrar not working?
[12:29] <jasoncohen> it can support multiple tuners, commercial detection, dvd transcoding, access from the web
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Can you apt-get myth?
[12:29] <jasoncohen> FlyingSquirrel32, yes it is
[12:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: is there a mono binary....with a simple ./configure make makeinstall script?
[12:29] <flyingpenguin900> ColonelKernel, how would I remove the ati drivers?
[12:29] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, yeah, 0.17 is in ubuntu but it requires quite a bit of setup
[12:29] <ColonelKernel> flyingpenguin900 I dont know
[12:29] <jasoncohen> mythtv.org
[12:29] <acid2> LuNaTiK^GuY, svn has that method
[12:29] <darkmatter> Is there a .deb for Clearlooks 0.6.2 under Hoary?
[12:29] <othernoob> droob: well, not really.. i have 26 files which are again split into 15 files..and it won't let me unrar e *.rar
[12:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> svn?
[12:29] <acid2> subversion
[12:29] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, i think backports has it
[12:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> acid2: wots svn?
[12:29] <othernoob> droob: i have to type the name for each of em..which sucks
[12:29] <acid2> cept its ./autogen.sh make make install
[12:30] <ColonelKernel> how do I fix non-contiguous data on my /boot?
[12:30] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, Package: gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[12:30] <jasoncohen> Version: 0.6.2-1~5.04ubp1
[12:30] <droob> othernoob: you could do it mini-shell script style.
[12:30] <ColonelKernel> bbl
[12:30] <FlyingSquirrel32> What effect would adding "+::::::" have at the end of /etc/passwd?
[12:30] <darkmatter> jasoncohen: I've updated all my backports and can't seem to find it.
[12:31] <othernoob> droob: like?
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm updating all my system
[12:31] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: yep, it is in universe
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> installed kubuntu from scratch
[12:31] <Chris_Tucker> how could i have apt-get download things and store them but not install?
[12:31] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: Makes it look at NIS for further password information.
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> univers ok :)
[12:31] <darkmatter> all i get listed is the 0.5 version
[12:31] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, dists/hoary-backports-staging/main/
[12:31] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, it's still in staging. wait a week or so
[12:31] <darkmatter> tthanks
[12:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: Oh. Which would take priority for a machine, the local entry or the NIS?
[12:32] <kbrooks> Chris_Tucker: *looks*
[12:32] <dkoh2> does anyone know who to print to a windows networked printer? I've got samba installed
[12:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: (If the entry exists on both)
[12:32] <dkoh2> *how
[12:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> anyway....my priority is Java...and i got netbeans running ok :) kdevelop is ok for c/c++....so now i'll get mono too :)
[12:32] <Chris_Tucker> and -d
[12:32] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, what's so great about 0.6.2?
[12:32] <flyingpenguin900> In order for Xorg to use the Nvidia drivers wouldn't Xorg.conf have to be configured to use the Nvidia drivers?
[12:32] <Chris_Tucker> *ah
[12:32] <kbrooks> Chris_Tucker: -d
[12:32] <Chris_Tucker> apt-get -d
[12:32] <kbrooks> :P
[12:32] <Chris_Tucker> yes
[12:32] <kbrooks> no
[12:33] <kbrooks> apt-get <option> -d ...
[12:33] <darkmatter> nothing really. just can't get some of the newer themes to skin synaptic with 0.5
[12:33] <droob> othernoob: if it's just a matter of running unrar 26 times, might be easier to just do that.
[12:34] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: I think it goes by order in the file, so if the NIS is at the end, the local ones take priority.
[12:34] <othernoob> droob: well yes, am at file 10 right now, but it's annoying as fuck..so, would you know a better cli prog to unrar files like these?
[12:34] <droob> is there a way to tell what filesystem an unmounted but connected disk uses?
[12:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: Ahhh. Makes sense. Thanks.
[12:35] <delire> droob: no
[12:35] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: It's documented, somewhere, I'm sure, but I forget where ... maybe in man 5 passwd?
[12:35] <droob> hrm.
[12:35] <flyingpenguin900> How do uninstall ati drivers?
[12:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> jasoncohen: How long will you be around here? I might give myth another try if I knew I had some backup.
[12:36] <Chris_Tucker> woot its working :)
[12:36] <umberleigh> jasoncohen: i'm getting "http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary/hoary-backports/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found" etc.
[12:36] <kbrooks> ah
[12:37] <kbrooks> less -E
[12:37] <umberleigh> when updating
[12:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i add repositories in kynaptic?
[12:38] <DaSkreech> LuNaTiK^GuY: As far as I know you have to do it manually
[12:38] <darkmatter> umberleigh:mirrormax hastroubles on and off. servers probably backed up. try again later
[12:38] <umberleigh> also: i had to add the repository in synaptic, sudo didn't like ">>" (i remember reading something in the docs about this, but i don't recall the workaround)
[12:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> DaSkreech: which file?
[12:38] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:39] <delire> DaSkreech: i would have thought kynaptic offered the same interface that synaptic offers for adding repos..?
[12:39] <DaSkreech> Nope
[12:39] <umberleigh> darkmatter: k
[12:39] <delire> odd
[12:39] <DaSkreech> It's an great example of a subset :-)
[12:39] <Chris_Tucker> any way i can override apt-get asking "do you want to continue?" --force-yes isnt overriding this
[12:39] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: perhaps try kpackage instead. my students find it very easy to use.
[12:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kpackage?
[12:40] <DekaPink> Anyone know any fun games for linux? xD
[12:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> from where do i get it?
[12:41] <Chris_Tucker> ut2k4 :P
[12:41] <othernoob> DekaPink: minesweeper
[12:41] <DekaPink> othernoob: I suck at minesweeper. xD
[12:41] <foxiness> see you guys time to go
[12:41] <Triffid_Hunter> DekaPink: ut2004
[12:41] <droob> othernoob: beware my crappy, long unused shell skeeelz. try something like " find . -name "*html" -print | xargs unrar"
[12:41] <poningru> anyone know what the command is for bittornado?
[12:41] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: apt-get install kpackage
[12:42] <droob> othernoob: except with a string to find the first .rar file instead of "html"
[12:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire ur a lecturer?
[12:42] <cavediver> Hey, can someone tell me if the brown color shown before the wallpaper is shown, is hardcoded into some script. Can't change it. I set the desktop-color to blue. But still I get, brown - blue and then the wallpaper
[12:42] <nalioth> poningru: believe it's just 'bittornado'
[12:42] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: yes
[12:42] <Chris_Tucker> any way i can override apt-get asking "do you want to continue?" --force-yes isnt overriding this
[12:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: may i ask wot field?
[12:42] <cavediver> Chris_Tucker: -y
[12:42] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: computer game development and design
[12:42] <cavediver> apt-get -y update i think
[12:42] <DekaPink> Oooooh... I've never played UT~
[12:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: I'm a bit of a noob, but I don't see the value of shadow files. If a person can steal the passwd, wouldn't it be just as easy to get the shadow?
[12:42] <Chris_Tucker> thanks cavediver
[12:42] <othernoob> droob: i'm almost done, but I'll try your suggestion the next time, won't be too long ;)
[12:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: gosh!! we dont have that in malta :( :( :(
[12:43] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: i'm sure it won't be long ;)
[12:43] <droob> othernoob: you're unrar-ing research papers and bible study, right?
[12:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: Why?
[12:43] <othernoob> droob: less bible study, more research
[12:43] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: games are everywhere. uni degrees in game development spread with them. some areas take more time than others.
[12:44] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: I tend to think so too. I said yes to them this last time, but honestly I don't think it makes much difference.
[12:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: but in malta....most businesses are concerned with the usual Databases, payrolls, networks.....nobody ever pointed to gaming :(
[12:44] <flyingpenguin900> What exactly do I need to apt-get to install nvidia kernel module on my machine?
[12:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: If I set up NIS, will my shadow files with the encrypted passwords be flying around the network?
[12:44] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: well give them a kick in the arse then ;) it's a booming industry and it's not slowing down..
[12:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: too much political interests in our Uni :(
[12:45] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: shame
[12:45] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: It's been about 10 years since I last used NIS for anything, I don't think I'm really your person for NIS questions.
[12:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: YES!
[12:45] <cavediver> Noone know how to change that colour ?
[12:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> othernoob: cool, I thought I was the only guy around here that did bible study :) What religion?
[12:46] <thingfish> you mean denomination.
[12:46] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: But if you set up the machine as a server, and serve the directory containing the shadow file, and make it world readable, then yeah.
[12:46] <nalioth> ok fellas, we are getting off topic
[12:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: for ex. lately M$ released some of its S/W to students at very very cheap prices in malta.....as a result the government is forced to employ M$ stuff in education...Linux is UNHEARD of :(
[12:46] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: the usual story..
[12:46] <thingfish> Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, are religions.  Baptist, Presbyterian, Greek Orthodox, are denominations.
[12:46] <othernoob> FlyingSquirrel32: buddhism ;)
[12:47] <flyingpenguin900> Ok, how would I find the name of what I need to apt-get to install nvidia kernel on my machine?
[12:47] <Burgundavia> thingfish, othernoob this is completely offtopic, plase find it elsewhere
[12:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: well, we'll see if I can make it work, and then harden afterward. In the LinuxJournal article they coupled it with kerberos. I might have to do the same
[12:47] <Burgundavia> s/fine/take
[12:47] <thingfish> so sorry folks
[12:47] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: linux sysadmins are very highly sought after these days. spend a year learning and become indispensable in malta.
[12:47] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, you need to apt-get nvidia-glx, it should get everything you need
[12:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> othernoob: never would have guessed it. :D
[12:47] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, then you need to follow wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:48] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, thanks I will try that
[12:48] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: linux sysadmins earn nearly twice that of MSCE admins here in scandinavia.
[12:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: yes its wot i want to do now....the only honest lecturer is takin a lot of interest in me and 2 friends when we showed him we're ready to go against all norms and use Linux :)
[12:48] <droob> more "mystery disk" fun: when I run "sudo fdisk -l", I see the master drive on the FW bridge, and my PB's drive, but not the slave.
[12:49] <othernoob> Burgundavia: how are you today?
[12:49] <bulb> my hoary achieved kernel panick after upgrade
[12:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: another related thing, a little less NIS. If I set up a kerberos server on a network with M$ servers, will it interfere with the kerberos that the domain controllers run?
[12:49] <Burgundavia> othernoob, not bad
[12:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: another lecturer nearly threatened to fail me :(
[12:49] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: good on you. linux is the fastest growing OS. you can't go wrong.
[12:49] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: hmm
[12:49] <bulb> booted now up with knoppix.
[12:49] <bulb> i could chroot, but how can i find my harddrives?
[12:49] <othernoob> Burgundavia: that's completely offtopic, take it elsewhere ;)
[12:49] <Burgundavia> othernoob, right, knew that was coming
[12:49] <delire> bulb: fdisk -l and see what's there
[12:49] <othernoob> Burgundavia: good
[12:49] <thingfish> hehe
[12:50] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't have a clue. I'm not the right person to be asking stuff like that.
[12:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> linux is a nice platform......i'll c wot i can do with it :)
[12:50] <darkmatter> cavediver: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13055
[12:50] <bulb> delire: absolutely no answers
[12:50] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: thanks anyway I'll go ask in #Linux
[12:50] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: hehe i've been using it for a long time and still amazed at the extensibility and flexibility of Linux.
[12:51] <delire> bulb: odd. type 'mount'
[12:51] <phixion> decent cd / dvd burning apps for gnome? :)
[12:51] <cavediver> darkmatter: thank you
[12:51] <darkmatter> no problem
[12:52] <bulb> /dev/root on / type ext2 (rw)
[12:52] <bulb> is that is?
[12:52] <delire> bulb: are you using knoppix?
[12:52] <bulb> yes
[12:52] <bulb> machine won't boot
[12:52] <fagr> can't i just log to other distro using ssh
[12:53] <fagr> i opened port 22 and still it say connection refused
[12:53] <darkmatter> phixion: gnomebaker, graveman! and serpentine.
[12:53] <delire> bulb: ahah. try a 'mount -a' or see if you can find your other disks in the KDE devices menu and mount them. fdisk -l should have given you output i would have thought however.
[12:54] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, that webpage you directed me to told me to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable , but when I did it said the Xorg.conf has been modified cannot proceed
[12:54] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, you can hand-edit the Xorg.conf
[12:54] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, so I generated a new one by running Xorgconfig but same error
[12:54] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, what do I need to do?
[12:54] <phixion> thankyou darkmatter
[12:54] <Burgundavia> I own an ATI card, and have not set up any nvidia cards
[12:54] <darkmatter> your welcome
[12:54] <delire> flyingpenguin900: sounds like an annoying problem you have there..
[12:55] <atila> hi all; anyone offer an URL to download UT2K4 demo ? ? ? (but not the orginal site)
[12:55] <Antinomy> If I create a partition without a mount point, will linux see it?
[12:55] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, ask here if someone has the same card as you
[12:55] <bulb> mount - a gives me "mount: mount point 0 does not exist"
[12:55] <flyingpenguin900> delire, extremely...
[12:55] <flyingpenguin900> Anyone here have a nvidia 6600gt that can help me set up my Xorg.conf
[12:55] <delire> Antinomy: fdisk -l will see it, but to use it it will need to be mounted.
[12:55] <_andrea> anyway
[12:56] <Antinomy> delire: can I mount it from within linux once it's up and running?
[12:56] <delire> bulb: are you sure your other harddisks are plugged in and running?
[12:56] <delire> Antinomy: yes, of course.
[12:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'll enjoy a day of ubuntu configuration tomorrow ;)
[12:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> slowly and surely ;)
[12:56] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: ;) that's the spirit.
[12:56] <bulb> maybe i should check
[12:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm tired now ;)
[12:56] <Chris_Tucker> whats the paste keyboard shortcut in terminal?
[12:56] <Antinomy> delire: thanks!
[12:56] <bulb> but what else could give me kernel panick :)
[12:56] <delire> Antinomy: anytime.
[12:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: sure :) 10x
[12:56] <Antinomy> delire: one more ?
[12:56] <maddler> Chris_Tucker: shift+ins
[12:56] <Chris_Tucker> thanks maddler
[12:56] <delire> Antinomy: sure
[12:57] <maddler> Chris_Tucker: np
[12:57] <atila> hi all; anyone offer an URL to download UT2K4 demo ? ? ? (but not the orginal site)
[12:57] <akk> Ick! Running gnome-font-properties just blew away my gtk key bindings (emacs) even in running apps.
[12:57] <akk> How do I change them back and notify the current apps?
[12:57] <bulb> but i'll try that. thanks anyway, delire!
[12:57] <Antinomy> delire: my x86 install of ubu wont see my keyboard. If I plug in an external key board (its a laptop) and I get in, can I fix the internal keyboard from within linux?
[12:57] <maddler> Antinomy: which laptop?
[12:58] <delire> atila: http://www.3ddownloads.com/linuxgames/ut2k4/demo
[12:58] <atila> thanks delire :-)
[12:58] <Antinomy> maddler: compaq presario r4000 seriesAMD Athlon 64
[12:58] <delire> Antinomy: yes, what laptop?
[12:58] <Antinomy> maddler: compaq presario r4000 seriesAMD Athlon 64
[12:58] <Antinomy> delire
[12:58] <atila> ubuntu RuLeZ :-) lol
[12:58] <Antinomy> delire
[12:58] <Antinomy> maddler: compaq presario r4000 seriesAMD Athlon 64
[12:58] <Antinomy> sorry
[12:59] <delire> Antinomy: AMD64 with an x86 install??
[12:59] <atila> bye -all
[12:59] <delire> ciao
[12:59] <maddler> Antinomy: why do use an x86 cd then?
[12:59] <Antinomy> delire: yes, several ubu experts have told me to do it this way...
[12:59] <maddler> ?!
[12:59] <delire> sounds odd
[12:59] <Antinomy> delire: that it would be better like that
[12:59] <maddler> better?
[12:59] <delire> Antinomy: it will cause all sorts of problems.
[12:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: The reason shadow is different is that normally only root can read it, whereas anyone can read passwd.
[12:59] <Antinomy> delire:  forum moderator told me this, some sort of media thing
[01:00] <Antinomy> delire: I'll paste the URL
[01:00] <delire> Antinomy: it's a vastly different architecture. send me the URL yep.
[01:00] <maddler> Antinomy: btw... check on www.linux-on-laptops.com/compaq.html
[01:00] <maddler> maybe yopu could find some hint
[01:00] <delire> maddler: good call
[01:01] <maddler> delire: :)
[01:01] <nalioth> Antinomy: how are we today?
[01:01] <maddler> beside that... I can't really see the point of installing the "wrong" distro...
[01:01] <poningru> how come abc is not availble through the repository?
[01:01] <Antinomy> nalioth hehehhe
[01:01] <Antinomy> delire: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50553&highlight=antinomy
[01:01] <delire> ok
[01:02] <Antinomy> nalioth things have gotten strange, my friend
[01:02] <nalioth> Antinomy: makes life interesting
[01:02] <Antinomy> nalioth:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51067&highlight=antinomy
[01:03] <Antinomy> nalioth you got dat right
[01:03] <occy> besides the ubuntupc guys.... who else sells Ubuntu based workstations?
[01:03] <maddler> Antinomy: the only real thing... is the missing flash plugin...
[01:03] <maddler> occy: if you live close to rome (.it) me... :)
[01:03] <maddler> gh
[01:03] <occy> maddler, heh
[01:03] <delire> Antinomy: you're right, you were advised to use the x86 version. odd..
[01:04] <Antinomy> maddler, nalioth, delire: Here's the kicker: I tried doing the 64 install, it tells me it needs me to burn the CD at slower speeds cuz it cant grab dsbutils or something
[01:04] <delire> Antinomy: it will run, but i thought it would have been good awful slow for packages compiled for 64bit
[01:04] <z|bandito> what package installs Tcl?
[01:04] <z|bandito> and how can i find this information in the future? :)
[01:04] <DaSkreech> Google!!
[01:04] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:05] <maddler> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:05] <maddler> :)
[01:05] <z|bandito> =\
[01:05] <maddler> and... yes... google! :D
[01:05] <delire> Antinomy: right.. well anyway, this is unrelated to the keyboard problem, which should be trivial to fix once booted.
[01:05] <nalioth> Antinomy: good advice
[01:05] <delire> nalioth: impressive the installer mentions this.
[01:06] <wing`> anyone there who can help me with XQF? its working ok, but when i added my own server he dont find it (9999). but they are certainly online
[01:06] <Strife> so I was trying to mess around with ACPI so I could get suspend working on my laptop... by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPM?highlight=%28acpi%29
[01:06] <Strife> the problem is
[01:06] <nalioth> Antinomy: you'll get more usability out of the i686 arch
[01:06] <Strife> that when I did sudo update-grub like it suggested, that screwed everything up
[01:06] <delire> z|bandito: 'apt-cache search keyword'.. select package from list 'apt-cache show packagename'
[01:06] <Strife> I used to have a kernel option vga=771
[01:06] <Strife> which got overwritten
[01:07] <Strife> and now I can't get it to actually work again
[01:07] <maddler> Strife: edit menu.lst
[01:07] <Flying-Penguin> Triffid_Hunter: this is the linux computer I am working on... I changed driver from nv to nvidia and then I tryed to run glxgears and I got an error (its small so can I pm you?)
[01:07] <maddler> man grub :)
[01:07] <Strife> maddler: clearly... but why doesn't the default kopt actually work?
[01:07] <delire> z|bandito: in your case, 'apt-cache search tcl' (CLI) or search for it using synaptic (GUI)
[01:07] <z|bandito> thanks
[01:07] <Strife> and furthermore, why does a Wiki HOWTO give a wrong step?
[01:08] <maddler> Strife: ask wiki's author...
[01:08] <Strife> okay, well in addition to the vga thing....
[01:08] <Strife> I can't play DVDs now either
[01:08] <delire> Strife: problematic yes.. your responsibility to mention this if you are sure the step is wrong and mention it to the author.
[01:08] <maddler> :)
[01:08] <Burgundavia> maddler, which wiki page are you referring to?
[01:08] <Strife> I'm hoping that if I fix that, then it will work again
[01:08] <Strife> because I didn't change ANYTHING else
[01:08] <Flying-Penguin> Triffid_Hunter: ARE YOU THERE?
[01:08] <Strife> I didn't even install/uninstall software
[01:08] <delire> lol 'Triffid_Hunter'
[01:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Flying-Penguin: you'll need the nvidia-glx stuff as well to run opengl apps
[01:09] <Antinomy> thanks guys we'll see in am inute or two
[01:09] <Antinomy> minute, even
[01:09] <Flying-Penguin> Triffid_Hunter: let me talk to you in "##linux" as it seems you talk in there more
[01:09] <delire> tis late. night all.
[01:09] <Triffid_Hunter> hehe ask here for the ubuntu specifics, i just know the general linux pieces you need ;)
[01:10] <stabfacekill> can someone help explaing to me what kunbuntu is I know its like kde gui but why would I want it? or not want it?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> stabfacekill, kubuntu is ubuntu with a kde interface
[01:10] <Triffid_Hunter> stabfacekill: cos some people prefer kde over gnome
[01:11] <stabfacekill> is there a significant difference?
[01:11] <Burgundavia> stabfacekill, if you have never used linux before, you can try kde, you might like it
[01:11] <nalioth> stabfacekill: kde and gnome are desktop managers with kde following the human interface guidelines that microsoft follows, and gnome following the HIG that apple follows
[01:11] <stabfacekill> ah I'm more comfortable with windows so odd's are that I should stick to gnome
[01:12] <stabfacekill> ok question two is there a way to put some sort of skin on the gnome icons?
[01:12] <jpoe> stabfacekill:  KDE is more like windows than Gnome
[01:12] <darkmatter> stabfacekill, it just depens on the desktop you prefer. kde tends towards using A LOT of wizards.
[01:13] <Andares> How do I change my desktop environment from Gnome to <insert environment here>?
[01:13] <z|bandito> apt-get tells me that tcl is installed, but when i do locate libtcl.so i get no results..
[01:13] <jnk> Andares, you install the other env and choose it at the login prompt
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Like a kUbunutDesktop>
[01:13] <darkmatter> and the default config looks similar to win 95
[01:13] <Andares> jnk, what does "installing it" entail?
[01:13] <Andares> I'm not using a debian package.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Andares: Apt-get <env>
[01:13] <z|bandito> how can i find the tcl installation?  or am I doing something else wrong?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> z|bandito: Are you in a GUI?
[01:14] <Andares> DaSkreech, xpde doesn't have a debian package.
[01:14] <stabfacekill> themse don't apply to everything, and is there a way I can make windows transparent?
[01:14] <z|bandito> no, i'm logged in via ssh
[01:14] <jnk> Andares, if you like the command line, you use apt-get or aptitude, if not you use the synaptic package manager or something like that. Either way what you do is telling the system "install this environment" and it does it for you
[01:14] <DaSkreech> ok try sudo apt-get update
[01:14] <Andares> jnk Andares, if you like the command line, you use apt-get or aptitude, if not you use the synaptic package manager or something like that. Either way what you do is telling the system "install this environment" and it does it for you
[01:14] <Andares> DaSkreech, xpde doesn't have a debian package.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> then apt-cache search Tcl
[01:14] <Andares> Tcl?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Andares: xp What-now?
[01:14] <Andares> oh.
[01:15] <z|bandito> heh
[01:15] <Andares> DAC1138, xpde.
[01:15] <jpoe> stabfacekill:  For transparancy search www.ubuntuforums.org for transset
[01:15] <Andares> *DaS
[01:15] <z|bandito> :)
[01:15] <stabfacekill> thanks
[01:15] <Andares> *DaSkreech
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Andares: Yes?
[01:15] <nuky> hey guys, i was wandering if you could help me with something.. i'm trying to install my external hard drive and i've gone through lots of tutorials and installed a few usb packages and finally now it shows when i do lsusb as
[01:15] <nuky> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0402:5621 ALi Corp. USB 2.0 Storage Device
[01:15] <nuky> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:c501 Logitech, Inc. Cordless Mouse Receiver
[01:15] <nuky> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:15] <Andares> DaSkreech Andares: xp What-now? XPDE.
[01:15] <nuky> sorry, i didn't realise that would be multiple lines
[01:15] <DaSkreech> As in teh Windows XP Desktop Environment?
[01:16] <Andares> DaSkreech, yep.
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Ah
[01:16] <Andares> It's for Linux.
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Andares: As in the Fisher Price interface?
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> nuky : mkdir /mnt/01 ; mount /dev/sd? /mnt/01 where ? defers to something a b c d e f ect should do
[01:16] <Andares> DaSkreech, er.. what?
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> dmesg | grep sd
[01:16] <nuky> just wanted to know if anyone knew where i could find the device to mount it? i'vetried the mount command but it doesn't recognise the
[01:16] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: sorry my internet cut out...
[01:16] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: you said I need the nvidia-glx stuff what did you mean?
[01:17] <darkmatter> DaSkreech: If you like how Windows crashes, xpde will make you feel right at home ;)
[01:17] <nuky> ah.. cool.. trying it out now.. thanks
[01:17] <Andares> darkmatter, huh? Is it unstable or something?
[01:17] <Triffid_Hunter> exactly that.. you need opengl drivers to run opengl apps...
[01:17] <darkmatter> just a little buggy
[01:17] <Andares> I am just going to go INSANE if I don't get something like w32.
[01:18] <DaSkreech> Andares: Never heard of XPDE maybe one of the more adventurous can help
[01:18] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: ARE YOU THERE?
[01:18] <nalioth> Andares: xpde is a spittin image of windoze DM for linux
[01:18] <Andares> DaSkreech, You can still help me. Where does Ubuntu keep its list of desktop environments and where can I select different ones?
[01:18] <Andares> nalioth, I know.
[01:18] <Andares> I downloaded it!
[01:18] <nalioth> Andares: search using synaptic
[01:18] <PurpleBlu> is there any reason why my Samba is just sitting at the Loading screen?
[01:18] <Andares> nalioth, er..
[01:18] <darkmatter> Andares: it's actually better looking than xp
[01:19] <Andares> XPDE is not in APT!
[01:19] <buzzzz> Hi, I'm planning an install of ubuntu on a machine with an intel processor with EM64T, and it seems that I can install the AMD64 version, but my question is can I still install an i386 version of a package if the equivalent ia64 package doesn't exist?
[01:19] <z|bandito> i needed the tk8.4-dev package
[01:19] <Andares> darkmatter, I know.
[01:19] <z|bandito> i might have gotten away with just tcl8.4-dev which was required for tk8.4-dev
[01:19] <schasi> buzzzz: search for amd64 chroot
[01:19] <schasi> I dont think theres another way
[01:19] <Andares> How do I _manually install_ a window manager? I just need to know that!
[01:19] <schasi> But i _dont_ know
[01:20] <z|bandito> trying to build eggdrop from source on hoary install FYI :)  thanks for the help
[01:20] <nalioth> buzzzz: the pkg can be built easily from the source repositories
[01:20] <darkmatter> Andares: is the package a deb or a source?
[01:20] <Andares> darkmatter, source and binary.
[01:20] <Andares> no den
[01:20] <Andares> *deb
[01:20] <nuky> hmmmm... i tried sda, sdb, sdc,etc... up to g but none of them exist.. how do i find out what it is? i only have one other hard disk.. the internal one, so shouldn't it be sdb?
[01:20] <Andares> it's a .tar.bz2 that extracts to /bin and /src
[01:21] <Andares> and includes an INSTALL file that does not apply to Debian.
[01:21] <Andares> Since there is no .xinitrc file in Ubuntu apparently.
[01:21] <mike> is there a way you can get a list of all programs you installed (post-base installation?)
[01:21] <darkmatter> Andares: extract to a directory of your choice
[01:21] <buzzzz> nalioth: I know, I used debian ages ago... but I did enough compiling when i was using gentoo... I'm switching to get away from compiling stuff :)
[01:21] <darkmatter> then cd to the directory
[01:21] <nalioth> mike: use synaptic and filter with "installed"
[01:21] <jnk> mike, dpkg --get-selections (but that really all pacakges installed)
[01:22] <Andares> darkmatter, ...
[01:22] <mike> thanks
[01:22] <Andares> /usr/share, but HOW DO I GET THE XSERVER TO LOAD IT?!
[01:22] <Andares> Z.z
[01:22] <samurai7> can anybody help tell me how can i install libgcc1 >=1:<IP_ADDRESS> , because when i try it whit ap-get it says that i already have the newest version , but i have the 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 ?
[01:22] <stevenj> ok I upgraded (security updates) firefox (hoary) and now firefox craxhes when I open extensions?!?
[01:22] <Andares> Sorry, I'm a bit stressed here.
[01:22] <darkmatter> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[01:22] <nalioth> buzzzz: afaik, any pkgs avail for i386 but not _64 would have to be build (apt does it automajically)
[01:22] <Andares> darkmatter, no configure file.
[01:22] <darkmatter> huh?
[01:23] <Andares> General installation instructions:
[01:23] <Andares>  -Decompress the tar.gz in /usr/share as root
[01:23] <Andares>  -Edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this line:
[01:23] <Andares>  /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde
[01:23] <Andares>  -Start X
[01:23] <nuky> would it be from the /dev/? the drive that is?
[01:23] <Andares> slocate cannot locate a .xinitrc file.
[01:23] <nalioth> Andares: no, dont do that
[01:23] <darkmatter> check for a session in gdm. can you select it from there?
[01:23] <Andares> nalioth, huh? So what should I do?
[01:23] <nalioth> Andares: have you extracted the files to those directories?
[01:24] <Andares> Yes.
[01:24] <Andares> Well, no.
[01:24] <stevenj> after testing If I open extensions first the new firefox crashes but If I open themes (in firefox) and then extensions it opens and no crash
[01:24] <Andares> I extracted the WHOLE THING to /usr/share/xpde
[01:24] <Andares> which has subfolders bin and src
[01:24] <Jason-X> stevenj have you logged out and back in again. My firefox was OK after this
[01:24] <buzzzz> nalioth: hmmm... so if an ia64 binary didn't exist in the repository, it would fetch the source, and build for ia64... correct?
[01:24] <nalioth> Andares: Andares ok. hoary doesnt have an xinitrc
[01:24] <occy> the LINI PC 	the LINI PC*** - Hard Drive 10,000 rpm WD Raptor 73G 4.5ms seek time - Modem none - Monitors none - Optical Drive NEC 16X DVD+-r/RW 8X DL - Processor AMD Athlon 64 3700+ ClawHammer - RAM (Memory) 1024 MB RAM - Second Hard Drive none - Sound onboard AC97 sound - TV Tuner, IR remote, FM radio no - Video Cards nVidia 6600GT VGA+DVI+TV - Warranty 1 year - Wireless LAN 802.11g no
[01:25] <occy> $1,291.00
[01:25] <occy> hmm
[01:25] <Andares> nalioth, I know. How do I substitute?
[01:25] <nalioth> Andares: you need to open READONLY a .desktop file from /usr/share/xsessions and use it as a template to make your xpde startup file
[01:25] <Andares> k
[01:26] <occy> You'd think there would be someone out there who you could just KNOW had a good Linux box you could buy and everything just worked.
[01:26] <nalioth> buzzzz: if the pkg is available for ubuntu, it can be built from ubuntu source for any arch ( i have to do it for my PPC all the time)
[01:26] <stevenj> Jason-X, I just booted up from last night...
[01:26] <Kyral> umm
[01:26] <Kyral> did an update to dpkg get released?
[01:26] <Andares> Thanks, nalioth.
[01:26] <Andares> Then what do I do, nalioth?
[01:26] <nalioth> Andares: when you get done changing the settings to point to xpde, SAVE AS "xpde.desktop" in /usr/share/xsessions
[01:26] <Andares> Okay.
[01:26] <balkian> hiya
[01:26] <Andares> Then how do I select it?
[01:26] <DPadclear> How do you get 5.1 (ac3) decoding to work in mplayer?
[01:27] <stevenj> I'll be damned now firefox will not download anything....the new security updates is def. messed up
[01:27] <Andares> DPadclear, did you download its driver package?
[01:27] <Andares> *codec
[01:27] <nalioth> Andares: after than, you log out or appleicantions > system tools > new login and select "xpde"
[01:27] <Andares> Okay.
[01:27] <Andares> Thanks!
[01:27] <Antinomy> can windows see ext3?
[01:27] <darkmatter> Andares: log out and select it frome 'sessions' at the gdm screen
[01:27] <balkian> is there any solution to the download problem with firefox?
[01:27] <Andares> Antinomy, not without 3rd-party tools.
[01:27] <Kyral> Antinomy, yes through a program
[01:27] <Jason-X> mine won't download from some site but does from others wierd!
[01:27] <Andares> okay.
[01:27] <Antinomy> Andares: but they're out there...
[01:27] <balkian> i tried saving link as... but sometimes it doesnt work
[01:28] <Antinomy> Andares: do they enable write/read?
[01:28] <buzzzz> nalioth: cool, thanks
[01:28] <amblin_> anyone know why the new FF packages haven't been pulled?  i imagin lots of grandmas out there are getting pretty upset.
[01:28] <balkian> y fijo que ningun espaol
[01:28] <Burgundavia> amblin_, most grandmas don;t have web developer enabled
[01:28] <nalioth> buzzzz: np
[01:28] <Burgundavia> balkian, #ubuntu-es
[01:28] <aru> why would they be pulled?
[01:28] <amblin_> oh that is the only issue?
[01:28] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: are you there?
[01:29] <flyingpenguin_> traveller: you there?
[01:29] <nalioth> balkian: wtf?
[01:29] <Burgundavia> amblin_, it is only extensions really
[01:29] <balkian> what?
[01:29] <stevenj> is the firefox issue with certain extensions?
[01:29] <Triffid_Hunter> flyingpenguin_: what's up? still can't find nvidia-glx?
[01:29] <Burgundavia> stevenj, seems to be
[01:29] <nalioth> balkian: ingles, espanol whats next?
[01:29] <amblin_> Burgundavia, any extension i thought
[01:29] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: I allready had it installed
[01:29] <Burgundavia> amblin_, some work
[01:29] <balkian> dunno
[01:29] <balkian> lol
[01:29] <balkian> u said wtf, where am i from?
[01:29] <Triffid_Hunter> flyingpenguin_: so why won't glxgears run?
[01:30] <stevenj> Burgundavia, please dont tell adblock and tabbrowser?
[01:30] <flyingpenguin_> no
[01:30] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: can I pm you?
[01:30] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, Muine is written in C# right?
[01:30] <nalioth> balkian: not really, lol
[01:30] <balkian> what did u mean?
[01:30] <Burgundavia> stevenj, no idea, I run the latest crack (breezy)
[01:30] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, correct
[01:30] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I kinda gave up on the Poignant Guide
[01:30] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, it has to use C to connect with gstreamer
[01:30] <mebaran151> Razor-X, hmm, it is a little wordy
[01:30] <mebaran151> you should just look at the examples though
[01:30] <Razor-X> mebaran151: well, wordy's not the thing
[01:30] <balkian> i was just tryin xchat, and that was the first channel lol
[01:30] <mebaran151> they are pretty neat
[01:30] <stevenj> Burgundavia, I tried it...but x would not start and I did not know what to do
[01:30] <Razor-X> when I think about programming, I never relate it to real life
[01:31] <Burgundavia> stevenj, mileage varies
[01:31] <Razor-X> so, the way he explains things, I just can't relate to it
[01:31] <mebaran151> Razor-X, that is what oop is all about
[01:31] <Razor-X> but yeah, I do read the examples
[01:31] <mebaran151> creating an object to encapsulate the necessary
[01:31] <balkian> well
[01:31] <mebaran151> facet of a real thing
[01:31] <balkian> c u soon
[01:31] <balkian> ubunteros
[01:31] <balkian> bye
[01:31] <amblin_> Burgundavia, i guess the possibilty of some dead installations is better than reverting back to FF with some known exploits untill 1.06 can be packaged
[01:31] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use OOP not as a real-life ``interference'', but because it's easier to organize code that way
[01:31] <balkian> well just another question
[01:31] <Razor-X> code is more effecient, IMO, if it can be organized in the form of objects
[01:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yeah, I understand that, but it boils down to that
[01:32] <mebaran151> just look at Chapter 6
[01:32] <Razor-X> but, it's just a programming concept to me
[01:32] <mebaran151> the last 3 examples
[01:32] <Razor-X> like, code blocks being chutes thing
[01:32] <mebaran151> oh
[01:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[01:32] <mebaran151> he goes a little crazy
[01:32] <Razor-X> kinda weird approach, heh
[01:32] <Razor-X> I read the examples though
[01:32] <balkian> does anybody know how can i write with ascii in linux? i mean, like pressing alt+ number, in windows
[01:32] <Razor-X> don't have the background yet to do it all, though
[01:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, well then the pickaxe is perfect; you seem to want to learn by practice
[01:33] <mebaran151> and that is the authorative guide
[01:33] <Razor-X> yeah, Pickaxe works great for me
[01:33] <Razor-X> because it writes in a style where I can interpret it
[01:33] <Andares> Here goes nothing.
[01:33] <mebaran151> it is a big reference book that if you know, you know how to do alot
[01:33] <mebaran151> Why is trying to become an author
[01:33] <mebaran151> (explains some things)
[01:33] <Razor-X> I can see that ;)
[01:33] <stevenj> how do I fix firefox now?
[01:33] <Razor-X> stevenj: fix?
[01:34] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, dont know C just C#
[01:34] <nuky> when i plug in my external hard drive, which is recognised by lsusb, i get this when i do tail /var/log/messages
[01:34] <nuky> Jul 23 00:31:24 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4
[01:34] <nuky> Jul 23 00:31:24 localhost kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[01:34] <nuky> Jul 23 00:31:25 localhost usb.agent[17484] :      usb-storage: already loaded
[01:34] <nuky> does anybody know how i can use that to mount it? because all the tutorials say to look for something with hd? or sd?
[01:34] <Kyral> Backports 1.0.6 works....
[01:34] <Razor-X> nuky: please don't paste more than 3 lines in the channel
[01:34] <mebaran151> why doesnt the next version of Ubuntu use Muine instead of Rhythmbox
[01:34] <Razor-X> use pastebin or #flood for that
[01:34] <mebaran151> it seems to be the better app
[01:34] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, I think the only C is the gstreamer wrapper
[01:34] <stevenj> Razor-X, after upgrading it wont let uninstall extensions to test if one is conflicting...it wont let download and it keeps crashing
[01:34] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, yeah
[01:34] <mebaran151> I would figure as such
[01:34] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, muine is very good for what it does. It doesnt do some things
[01:34] <Burgundavia> like internet radio
[01:34] <nuky> sorry
[01:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: only greivance I have about Pickaxe is that, it explains syntax haphazardly, insofar
[01:35] <mebaran151> internet radio is the realm of streamtuner
[01:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, that is the result of it being a reference book
[01:35] <Razor-X> maybe i'm just too used to legacy books and tutorials, but in my experience, you start with the concept of a variable, then variable types, then expand those concepts
[01:35] <mebaran151> Ruby aint like that
[01:35] <Razor-X> functions, methods, instances, classes, all come later, from what i've read
[01:35] <mebaran151> because ther really are no types
[01:35] <mebaran151> Fixnum is a class
[01:35] <mebaran151> that has methods
[01:35] <mebaran151> Ruby does not have primitives
[01:36] <Razor-X> yeah
[01:36] <Razor-X> Ruby's iterating is kinda weird
[01:36] <mebaran151> so you cant start with something that doesn't exist
[01:36] <Razor-X> took me a while to understand the code block concept
[01:36] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yep ... I still dont quite get it
[01:36] <stevenj> ok I found my firefox problem--tabbrowser extension is not compatible with the new ubuntu sec. update....at least in my case
[01:36] <Mobus> Does anyone know of a good C++ programming environment (not just a compiler) that runs on Ubuntu? prefferasbly with the Borland Graphics Interface, but if it doesn't have it I could always add it.
[01:36] <mebaran151> espwhen you nest blocks
[01:36] <andares> Holy ****, XPDE is LOADED with bugs.
[01:36] <stevenj> now everything works fine
[01:36] <mebaran151> it can get
[01:37] <mebaran151> Mobus, Gnome has it its own
[01:37] <Mobus> called?
[01:37] <andares> Launching from the start menu failed, my mouse got stuck dragging a window, and starting xchat crashed the interface.
[01:37] <Mobus> g++?
[01:37] <mebaran151> ajunta and glade for interface desigh
[01:37] <mebaran151> n
[01:37] <Mechcozmo> how do you install WINE?
[01:37] <mebaran151> ajunta is the frontend to g++
[01:37] <Razor-X> stevenj: change the version string
[01:37] <occy> Connect 3D Radeon 9600XT 128MB AGP 8x Video Card  <-- this work with Linux?
[01:37] <mike_> Mechcozmo, apt-get install wine
[01:37] <Razor-X> in about:config
[01:37] <mebaran151> you could always use emacs if you want a real IDE
[01:37] <Razor-X> simple azzat
[01:37] <Hoof> I have hoary installed but why does Gnome always crashses?
[01:37] <darkmatter> andares: Yep, just like winxp
[01:37] <aru> occy: ask google
[01:37] <Razor-X> mebaran151: like I do ;)
[01:37] <Mobus> frontend?
[01:37] <Mechcozmo> Mike_ i read their little blurb about using apt-get
[01:38] <Mechcozmo> it said you had to add their server
[01:38] <mebaran151> Razor-X, if you are really hardcore ... use vim
[01:38] <Razor-X> I got ruby elisp first thing after I decided to buy into ruby
[01:38] <Razor-X> ewww, never ;)
[01:38] <mebaran151> though on hard days when I dont want to deal with terminal font
[01:38] <mebaran151> I use GEdit
[01:38] <Mobus> well., I can't seem to create files in emacs, I can only open them...
[01:38] <occy> aru, google not giving me lov
[01:38] <occy> err love
[01:38] <mebaran151> it is suprisingly powerful
[01:38] <Mobus> I likek KATE
[01:38] <Razor-X> ahhh, I love my emacs ;)
[01:38] <stevenj> Razor-X, how do I do that..thanks
[01:38] <Razor-X> Kate's nice
[01:38] <mebaran151> Kate is nice
[01:38] <Mechcozmo> repository
[01:38] <Razor-X> Mobus: C-x C-f filename
[01:38] <mebaran151> GEdit is basically Kate for Gnom
[01:38] <Razor-X> the file doesen't have to exist
[01:38] <mebaran151> though I prefer Kate
[01:38] <Mobus> burt there's this dumbass in my tuba section whosae name is Kate, so I don't like usinmg it THAT much...
[01:38] <Razor-X> after that, C-x C-s and you save it
[01:39] <Razor-X> if you cant to change the name of the file, C-x C-w
[01:39] <Razor-X> mebaran151: my Eterm is highly customized
[01:39] <Razor-X> since I use it all the time
[01:39] <aru> occy: http://www.stanford.edu/~fenn/linux/radeon.shtml <- first hit on google
[01:39] <mebaran151> heheh I dont use eterms so much
[01:39] <mebaran151> I like chvt'ing
[01:39] <occy> aru, hmmm ok.
[01:39] <Razor-X> well, mine's tailored to my specificaitons ;)
[01:39] <andares> darkmatter, well, at least it runs faster.
[01:39] <Razor-X> as is mon emacs ;)
[01:39] <Antinomy> in a dual-boot, do I HAVE to install windows first?
[01:39] <mebaran151> I use them enough though that I added transparency
[01:40] <Hoof> Why does gnome in Hoary crashing?  I can't add stuffs in the panel, because it crashes everytime...I cant create a new panel either...it's useless...how do i fix this?
[01:40] <Razor-X> and all you people who complain about the RAM emacs uses, it uses 5 times less than KPDF ;)
[01:40] <darkmatter> Anybody recommend a good interface for Python? IDLE is great, but it's hard on the eyes (the font's and widgets make me dyslexic)
[01:40] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I find emacs too big though
[01:40] <mebaran151> as in it could be an OS in itself
[01:40] <occy> aru, talks all about RPM and Fedora.
[01:40] <andares> emacs is a great operating system; all it lacks is a good text editor.
[01:40] <occy> don't see no Ubuntu or Debian.
[01:40] <Razor-X> mebaran151: actually, that's a very good feature
[01:40] <occy> :(
[01:40] <mebaran151> andares, exactly
[01:40] <darkmatter> andares: that's it's only grace
[01:40] <Razor-X> ever been stuck on a WinXP box with only cmd.exe to help you?
[01:40] <andares> Razor-X, yep.
[01:40] <Razor-X> Eshell is a godsend, trust me
[01:40] <mebaran151> Razor-X, heheh, yep
[01:40] <Mechcozmo> yes
[01:41] <andares> Ever been stuck in a Linux box with only bash to help you?
[01:41] <Razor-X> and I have no problem about an OS that's smaller than my PDF viewer
[01:41] <Kyral> yes
[01:41] <Mechcozmo> no
[01:41] <Kyral> its fun :D
[01:41] <Razor-X> andares: I like BASH ;)
[01:41] <andares> :O!
[01:41] <Mechcozmo> how do you install WINE?
[01:41] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you know the cmd for WinXP
[01:41] <occy> better than just having sh
[01:41] <occy> heh
[01:41] <andares> Razor-X, so do I, but not when X DIES!!
[01:41] <mebaran151> is not so bad
[01:41] <Kyral> Its called a base Gentoo install :D
[01:41] <andares> Mechcozmo, go to their site.
[01:41] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I do, still pathetic though
[01:41] <Mechcozmo> i did
[01:41] <mebaran151> it has almost the number features as BASH
[01:41] <Mechcozmo> it said to use Synaptic
[01:41] <kyncani> man ... is openoffice heavy ... 125 Mb to open a 2.5 Mb .xls ... and i've still not seen the end of it ...
[01:41] <andares> Mechcozmo, they have an APT repository entry you can use.
[01:41] <mebaran151> tab completion
[01:41] <mebaran151> path's are a little funky
[01:41] <Kyral> kyncani, gnumeric?
[01:42] <Razor-X> kyncani: that's why you use LaTeX ;)
[01:42] <kafeine> kyncani, dont use openoffice:)
[01:42] <mebaran151> I dont know LaTex well enough
[01:42] <kyncani> eeeh
[01:42] <Razor-X> I have a copy of XEmacs on the windows box, and a copy of MiKTeX
[01:42] <mebaran151> makes me sad :(
[01:42] <Kyral> I love having a high-end system on a Linux box :D
[01:42] <kro> whats an easy way to grab a DNS zone file?
[01:43] <andares> You're doing something wrong.
[01:43] <Mechcozmo> yes
[01:43] <mebaran151> only thing that stresses it is encoding
[01:43] <Mechcozmo> you click "Download"
[01:43] <mebaran151> not even compiling
[01:43] <Mechcozmo> then "Ubuntu"
[01:43] <auk> huh?
[01:43] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I love encoding ;)
[01:43] <Kyral> before I realized that a SUDO session takes a user :P
[01:43] <auk> SYSTEM
[01:43] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you use mencoder or transcode
[01:43] <Razor-X> encoding, programming, and writing documentation are what i'm good at
[01:43] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I haven't tried on a Linux box yet, actually
[01:44] <Mechcozmo> it shows an outdated version of Synaptic
[01:44] <Kyral> hmm
[01:44] <Kyral> how would I purge something
[01:44] <mebaran151> eh, encoding in Windows is sucky
[01:44] <Mechcozmo> which i couldn't figure out
[01:44] <Razor-X> I love AVISynth though
[01:44] <Razor-X> mebaran151: not with AVISynth
[01:44] <Kyral> like kill it and all its depends that aren't being used?
[01:44] <mebaran151> nothing beats mencoder
[01:44] <Razor-X> Linux needs an AVISynth port
[01:44] <mebaran151> we have it
[01:44] <mebaran151> acidrip
[01:44] <Mechcozmo> and the same deal with the console
[01:44] <Razor-X> really?
[01:44] <mebaran151> try acidrip
[01:44] <Razor-X> fscking crazy!
[01:44] <mebaran151> pretty full featured
[01:44] <Kyral> I need to purge E17
[01:45] <mebaran151> I use it to make a script
[01:45] <Razor-X> mmmm, what 3d filters does it support?
[01:45] <jnk> Kyral, aptitude purge package-name
[01:45] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what you encoding
[01:45] <Razor-X> mebaran151: generally, I remaster my crappy anime
[01:45] <mebaran151> I meant MPEG4 straight compilations
[01:45] <Kyral> can I use the apt-get command for it? :P
[01:45] <mebaran151> haha, basically me too
[01:45] <mebaran151> if you want to do anime
[01:45] <Razor-X> and how about rainbow noise filtering?
[01:45] <Mechcozmo> is there an ffmpeg for Linux
[01:45] <Mechcozmo> ?
[01:45] <mebaran151> Xvid has a codec specifically done for anime
[01:45] <jnk> Kyral, not if you want to remove all the dependecies (I think)
[01:45] <mebaran151> Mechcozmo, mencoder is the front end
[01:45] <Razor-X> mebaran151: really?
[01:45] <Kyral> debfoster :D
[01:45] <mebaran151> if you want a sample
[01:45] <Mechcozmo> cool
[01:45] <jnk> Mechcozmo, it's in ubuntu
[01:45] <nalioth> andares: did you get sorted?
[01:46] <Mechcozmo> neat
[01:46] <Mechcozmo> but about WINE
[01:46] <robotgeek> qt2, u there?
[01:46] <Mechcozmo> first that, then other stuff
[01:46] <Mechcozmo> :-)
[01:46] <mebaran151> Xvid Anime codecs
[01:46] <mebaran151> are pretty good
[01:46] <Kyral> et w00t!
[01:46] <Razor-X> I started also trying to reencode some of the RvB stuff
[01:46] <jnk> Kyral, yeah that'll do it
[01:46] <mhz> ANY one ever installed Ubuntu from HardDisk? or NetBoot???
[01:46] <Kyral> The new episode of Full Metal Panic: The Second Raid was released :D
[01:46] <mebaran151> Razor-X, not familiar
[01:46] <mebaran151> best thing though
[01:46] <mebaran151> is Linux doesnt do regions very hard
[01:46] <Razor-X> for a mere 4 MB, I could remove quite a bit of their rainbow noise, and up the sharpness quite a few fold
[01:46] <mebaran151> soft region setting is sufficient
[01:46] <Razor-X> Kyral: I saw that
[01:47] <Kyral> The second episode?
[01:47] <Razor-X> Kyral: not seen as in, watched, saw it on Anime Suki
[01:47] <jaggi> Hi :)
[01:47] <Mechcozmo> so... is anyone going to help with WINE?
[01:47] <Kyral> ahh
[01:47] <Razor-X> I'm gonna get an old version of Azureus
[01:47] <mebaran151> Mechcozmo, WINE is not going to save you
[01:47] <Razor-X> because after Decentralization, it's too much for my RAM
[01:47] <Kyral> I use BakaUpdates and AnimeSuki :D
[01:47] <Kyral> err
[01:47] <qt2> robotgeek, that i am.
[01:47] <Kyral> AnimeYume
[01:48] <kyncani> yeah, -INT did it
[01:48] <Razor-X> I want to watch Texhnolyze
[01:48] <mebaran151> Kyral, I am looking so hard for a box set of Cowboy Bebop
[01:48] <Mechcozmo> mebaran151: why do you say that?
[01:48] <satyap> fyi... i'm using a livecd to run distributed.net and boinc on one of our windows boxes
[01:48] <Yoda_Sabre> has anyone gotten pengaol to work im kinda stuck with aol at the moment not willingly mind you
[01:48] <jaggi> my grub isn't working, and lilo freezes when ubuntu's install is installing it... grub installs, but the system won't boot (comes up with Error 21 prior to the grub menu).  The drive setup is 3 drives, the first 2 are a hardware raid mirror with XP on it, the 3rd is the linux drive.  It's considered sdc when linux is up.  They're really ATA drives, though.
[01:48] <mebaran151> Mechcozmo, what are you trying to do
[01:48] <Kyral> mebaran151, I know where you can get the entire series.....legality is another question ;P
[01:48] <Mechcozmo> install WINE
[01:48] <robotgeek> qt2, yesterday we used xev, we could also have used showkey, which gives you the keypress, in hex though
[01:48] <Mechcozmo> and then play with it
[01:48] <Razor-X> Yoda_Sabre: Linspire has released the source of a much better AOL dialer called, wait for it, AOL Dialer ;)
[01:49] <mebaran151> Kyral, is the quality any good
[01:49] <Mechcozmo> i'm testing Ubuntu to see if it is a good Windows replacement for some friends of mine (as well as me)
[01:49] <mebaran151> I am stickler for that
[01:49] <Razor-X> I need a better torrent client
[01:49] <Yoda_Sabre> i'll look for it then
[01:49] <jaggi> been working on this for a while but I haven't been able to get grub to work right.  I can boot from the ubuntu CD and, after hardware detection, mount the installed linux drive/partition...
[01:49] <Razor-X> Azureus is the only one where I can get above 100 k/s speed
[01:49] <Razor-X> but now, it takes waaaay too much RAM
[01:49] <aru> Mechcozmo: what do you need to run with WINE?
[01:49] <Razor-X> and i've fiddled with my settings to death
[01:49] <Mechcozmo> maybe some old games
[01:49] <Mechcozmo> dunno
[01:49] <mebaran151> things like bittorrent shouldn't be done in Java
[01:49] <robotgeek> Razor-X, have you tried the official bittorent client?
[01:49] <mebaran151> either really scripted or totally C
[01:49] <Razor-X> robotgeek: yeah
[01:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: no ASM? ;{
[01:50] <mebaran151> eh eh, perhaps
[01:50] <Razor-X> s/{/)/
[01:50] <jaggi> Hi :)
[01:50] <Razor-X> woah, the brace gives the smilie a mustache
[01:50] <Mechcozmo> aru: maybe some old games...dunno really
[01:50] <Razor-X> that's my new smilie ;}
[01:50] <mebaran151> :{)
[01:50] <robotgeek> Razor-X, i get decent speeds with that, azureus keeps crashing for me!
[01:50] <Razor-X> well, now his lips look all cracked XD
[01:50] <Razor-X> robotgeek: same here
[01:50] <aru> hmm
[01:50] <Razor-X> the latter is because of RAM
[01:51] <satyap> time to screen -r
[01:51] <robotgeek> Razor-X, ppc?
[01:51] <Razor-X> satyap: -r? hmmm, been a while since i've used screen
[01:51] <Razor-X> robotgeek: nopes
[01:51] <Mechcozmo> ~sigh~
[01:51] <blueyed> cheers. the weekend has landed.
[01:51] <satyap> aye
[01:51] <Razor-X> emacs buffers work fine for me ;)
[01:51] <satyap> i have a bunch of dnets running in screens
[01:51] <blueyed> screen is AWESOME, Razor-X :)
[01:51] <Razor-X> blueyed: i've used screen
[01:52] <Razor-X> but, I prefer my emacs buffers
[01:52] <Hoof> Why does gnome in Hoary crashing?  I can't add stuffs in the panel, because it crashes everytime...I cant create a new panel either...it's useless...how do i fix this?
[01:52] <Razor-X> shell is awesome, as is Eshell
[01:52] <satyap> hey, whatever works for you
[01:52] <blueyed> Razor-X: I like vi so I never must try emacs, right? ;)
[01:52] <Razor-X> blueyed: hah, ;)
[01:52] <Mechcozmo> alright, will someone please tell me how to install WINE!?
[01:52] <Razor-X> I used to be a vi user
[01:52] <mebaran151> come on it is all about the vim
[01:52] <Razor-X> but, as you'll say it, I was ``seduced by the dark side''
[01:52] <Mechcozmo> i'm trying to get this to work
[01:53] <satyap> but you can use whatever you want
[01:53] <robotgeek> Razor-X, what happened..do u use vim now?
[01:53] <Mechcozmo> and becoming fairly angry at it
[01:53] <Razor-X> robotgeek: my vim muscle-bindings have undone themselves
[01:53] <satyap> apt-get install wine didn't work?
[01:53] <blueyed> Mechcozmo: you might want to try Crossover Office. It's a project worth to support if it fits your needs and it supplies IE and MS Office ect installs.
[01:53] <Razor-X> i'm much happier too, on this Dvorak keyboard
[01:53] <Mechcozmo> satyap: no it didn't work
[01:53] <cw2> Hoof: first figure out what you did to break it because mine works fine
[01:53] <satyap> well, that's the extent of my knowledge
[01:53] <Yoda_Sabre> good luck getting something like doom3 running with wine
[01:53] <robotgeek> Razor-X, did u buy yourself a emacs foot pedal or something? cause u need 4 hands to use it
[01:53] <Razor-X> blueyed: there is
[01:54] <Mechcozmo> blueyed: don't care about IE nor Office (open office is fine)
[01:54] <Razor-X> robotgeek: I use just one
[01:54] <Razor-X> sometimes two
[01:54] <blueyed> Razor-X: I know, but vi is already an alias for vim..
[01:54] <Razor-X> maybe it's better tailored to Dvorak *shrugs*
[01:54] <Mechcozmo> blueyed: however if it runs any other windows apps, i might be interested
[01:54] <Razor-X> blueyed: vi's nasty, compared to vim, I mean
[01:54] <Mechcozmo> if i can install it.....
[01:54] <robotgeek> vim has a vi compatibility mode..but u lready knew that!
[01:54] <satyap> oooh yeah i9 should get dvorak
[01:54] <blueyed> Mechcozmo: then use the backports and apt-get (or synaptic) wine.
[01:54] <MrGardenHoseMan> is there any kind of firewall software for linux or am i going to end up buying a router?
[01:54] <mebaran151> blueyed, you don not want it
[01:54] <Razor-X> I mean jkl; is all over the place on my keyboard
[01:54] <satyap> my productivity would plummet for a while though
[01:54] <Mechcozmo> synaptic doesn't have wine in it
[01:55] <Mechcozmo> you need to add the repository
[01:55] <robotgeek> plus vim now has a rss feed full of useful information!
[01:55] <Mechcozmo> which, so far, hasn't worked
[01:55] <kyncani> MrGardenHoseMan: shorewall, firestarter, ...  apt-cache search -i firewall  for an extensive list
[01:55] <blueyed> mebaran151: vi? no, because I have the improved one.. :)
[01:55] <satyap> yeah i've seen nothing in that rss
[01:55] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[01:55] <satyap> MrGardenHoseMan: try firehol
[01:55] <amblin_> been this way since hoary i think.. anyone know why i can install new FF extensions but cannot update them?
[01:55] <Razor-X> actually, i'm IRCing in emacs, so, heh
[01:55] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:56] <robotgeek> satyap, i found it pretty useful. i am a relatively new used
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> blueyed: Crossover Office isn't in Synaptic either
[01:56] <Razor-X> amblin_: about:config, change the version string
[01:56] <mebaran151> blueeyed the original is just weird
[01:56] <cw2> Mechcozmo: i just added the uniserve and multiverse hoary feeds and wine is there and "works"
[01:56] <kafeine> Mechcozmo, crossover is paid for
[01:56] <Razor-X> I don't use Firefox, but I know that much ;)
[01:56] <Yoda_Sabre> dang it i have to buy aol dialer
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> kafeine: thanks
[01:56] <satyap> er...
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> cw2: how would i do that?
[01:56] <blueyed> Have a nice night, evening, morning, or lunch.. :) Mechcozmo: get it from the homepage, quite safe.
[01:56] <satyap> amblin: permissions?
[01:56] <cw2> Mechcozmo: add a repository and check the boxes?
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> WINE?
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> eh?
[01:57] <amblin_> Razor-X, got that.. exts install, but if they update and i try to right click update, ff says it's found the update, then hangs
[01:57] <darkmatter> Mechcozmo: crossover is proprietary, you need to purchase it from codeweavers
[01:57] <blueyed> Unfortunately the debian repositories aren't almighty yet. And sometimes even a bit behind (considering stable-releases at least).
[01:57] <amblin_> hah hey satyap
[01:57] <Razor-X> amblin_: download them manually
[01:57] <blueyed> HAVE A GREA TTIME! w00hoo :)
[01:57] <robert_pectol> MrGardenHoseMan:   Wanna try a new firewall that I've been working on for Ubuntu?
[01:57] <amblin_> Razor-X, i wanna use FF updater.. that's what it's there for
[01:57] <darkmatter> of obtain it by questionable methods
[01:57] <Mechcozmo> cw2: i tried to do that with WINE's repository however i couldn't figure out how to add it correctly
[01:57] <satyap> stable is always behind oh god not this again
[01:57] <Razor-X> amblin_: you can't have everything ;)
[01:57] <Mechcozmo> cw2: different versions they used
[01:58] <cw2> Mechcozmo: is it an ubuntu-wine repo or a debian one?
[01:58] <satyap> amblin: any of this sound familiar?
[01:58] <Mechcozmo> debian
[01:58] <cw2> Mechcozmo: well duh
[01:58] <Mechcozmo> "Wine for Debian based distributions"
[01:58] <cw2> Mechcozmo: just use ubuntu's universe and multiverse
[01:58] <kyncani> robert_pectol: a firewall especially made for ubuntu ??
[01:59] <Mechcozmo> cw2: and how do I add those?  I don't see them
[01:59] <Mechcozmo> ah i see
[01:59] <Mechcozmo> i think
[01:59] <Razor-X> I started my btdownloadcurses
[01:59] <robert_pectol> kyncani:   Yes... well, more of a firewall script but yes!
[01:59] <Razor-X> let's see the speed that picks up
[01:59] <Razor-X> Azureus blazes at 99 k/s thanks to it's excellent UPnP plugin
[02:00] <Mechcozmo> cw2: testing by adding that checkbox
[02:00] <benplaut> Mechcozmo: follow the intructions for adding extra repositories at:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:00] <Razor-X> i'm getting 2.8-3.3 k/s now
[02:00] <kyncani> robert_pectol: what does it do ? why is it better than say, using this real easy firewall that's firestarter ?
[02:00] <cw2> Mechcozmo: the odd thing is, you add a new repo, choose hoary, then check all the boxes even though you have the other 2 already
[02:00] <Razor-X> I can even try btdownloadcurses.bittornado
[02:00] <Razor-X> I don't think it'll make that much of a difference
[02:00] <Mechcozmo> cw2: i think that was messing me up before, thanks
[02:01] <Razor-X> i'm getting 4 k/s
[02:01] <Razor-X> now it's 3.3
[02:01] <Razor-X> 2.5
[02:01] <satyap> er, maybe there are few seeders?
[02:01] <Razor-X> this is just sad, robotgeek
[02:01] <cw2> benplaut: those instructions are not the "correct" way, and are useless since the package manager has a working way to do it
[02:01] <Razor-X> satyap: I was getting 99 k/s here on Azureus
[02:01] <Mechcozmo> cw2: do I choose winetools?
[02:02] <Mechcozmo> cw2: i guess what i want to know is, what package do i choose and how do i then set it up
[02:02] <tom_> Hi, I've just installed Ubuntu and am trying to setup my users, I wanted a root account and then 4 user accounts, the account which was made during installation has admin rights but I don't want that account to have them, I know how to take them off but after doing this disables me from installing software using Synaptic, I am also unable to 'su' on my other user accounts, so does anybody have any ideas how I can get 'su' working
[02:02] <tom_>  on my other accounts?
[02:02] <cw2> Mechcozmo: search for wine, check the box
[02:02] <benplaut> cw2: well... it's simple copy/paste.. so...
[02:02] <Razor-X> i'm not sure what Azureus does ``right'' but, it does something
[02:02] <Razor-X> and my ports work right, that's for sure
[02:02] <Mechcozmo> cw2: just "wine" ya?
[02:02] <Razor-X> gasp! 6 k/s!!!!
[02:02] <cw2> benplaut: it's still not correct
[02:02] <kafeine> tom_, sudo
[02:02] <robert_pectol> kyncani:   Well, it's designed to provide stateful packet inspection for your Ubuntu box.  Why is it better?  Well, good question... maybe it's not!  But it is very simple to use and should do a more than adequate job of protecting you.  It's a simple init script with a config file!
[02:02] <benplaut> cw2: what's not correct about it?
[02:02] <Razor-X> finishing in 30 hours, excellent ;)
[02:03] <amblin_> Razor-X, for what it's worth.. finally found an answer.
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X!
[02:03] <amblin_> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4395
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> u one dail up
[02:03] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: not a chance
[02:03] <tom_> kafeine: I once saw an Ubuntu page about Sudo but have been unable to find it since, do you know where I can find it?
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:03] <cw2> benplaut: they split one repo up into several lines, it "works", but it realy should be all one line
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ok good :P
[02:03] <kafeine> tom_, try the wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:03] <tom_> thanks :)
[02:03] <benplaut> cw2: oh
[02:03] <cw2> benplaut: that and they say to use backports, which has a shitload of broken things in it
[02:03] <Razor-X> back to 3.8 k/s
[02:04] <Razor-X> so, anyone have advice? ;)
[02:04] <tim_> i have a tar.gz i need to extract files from. what gzip flags should i use to extract those files to a directory?
[02:04] <cw2> Razor-X: if we realy wanted a play by play of your dl status we'd just hack your pc
[02:04] <kyncani> robert_pectol: maybe the real better thing is that its homemade ;) i think i'll stink with my homemade too ;) script that configures shorewall
[02:04] <benplaut> cw2: i, and many (most?) others haven't had any trouble with backports...
[02:04] <kyncani> robert_pectol: but glad to see you enjoy tweaking your box :)
[02:04] <cw2> Razor-X: if you think it's too slow, deal with it, bt takes a while to hit full speed
[02:04] <Razor-X> cw2: deal with it?
[02:04] <Razor-X> i've been using BT for 2 years now
[02:04] <robert_pectol> kyncani:   It's fun!
[02:05] <Razor-X> it takes about 20 minutes to get to full speed
[02:05] <cw2> Razor-X: it's just the way it works, be patient
[02:05] <Razor-X> but, i've done this before
[02:05] <Mechcozmo> found it on the menu hehe
[02:05] <jeran> I converted a .rpm to a .deb... now how do I install it?
[02:05] <Razor-X> I can wait an hour
[02:05] <Razor-X> and it'll go up in speed not a smidge
[02:05] <satyap> jeran: dpkg -i
[02:05] <cw2> Razor-X: and it all depends on how many seeds are on line, how many people are downloading, and how many people leave theirs on after its done
[02:05] <Razor-X> cw2: I know BT theory ;)
[02:06] <Razor-X> I was getting 99 k/s on this earlier on Azureus
[02:06] <satyap> to extract a tar.gz, tar -xzvf works for me
[02:06] <Razor-X> that's what i'm trying to say, it's not like this is my first torrent
[02:06] <Razor-X> Azureus does something right, I may just downgrade
[02:06] <cw2> Razor-X: then you should know that there's not realy anything you can do
[02:06] <Razor-X> because speed is all I care about, fsck decentralize
[02:06] <Razor-X> cw2: was hoping somebody else knew something
[02:06] <kyncani> eeeh, azureus is a java prog !
[02:07] <Razor-X> kyncani: ;)
[02:07] <Razor-X> Java has it's uses
[02:07] <Razor-X> I use a nice little hypercube prog that is written in Java
[02:07] <cw2> java "works" fine, its just a memory hog
[02:07] <Razor-X> it's garbage collection is garbage
[02:07] <amblin_> azureus firstt java app i've used that left me saying.. i liked it
[02:07] <kyncani> i'll wait till it's gpl-like ;)
[02:07] <mebaran151> cw2, even Ruby has better garbage collection
[02:08] <cw2> kyncani: there are gpl java implentations
[02:08] <amblin_> and it's a freaking hog
[02:08] <Razor-X> mebaran151: if I could read Java source, I would like to write my own torrent client -- in Ruby
[02:08] <Razor-X> s/it's/its/
[02:08] <cw2> Razor-X: if you can read ruby source, you can read java
[02:08] <jeran> how do you install ruby on Ubuntu, while i'm asking questions?
[02:08] <Razor-X> cw2: but, not network specifics
[02:08] <Razor-X> jeran: sudo apt-get install ruby1.8
[02:09] <Razor-X> or aptitude, if you like it better (like me)
[02:09] <kyncani> cw2: hope azureus will run with kaffe
[02:09] <satyap> or run the package manager
[02:09] <jeran> Razor-X: Will that get everything? Like IRB and all that?
[02:09] <Razor-X> jeran: no
[02:09] <satyap> IRB!
[02:09] <amblin_> very doubtful it will run with kaffe
[02:09] <Razor-X> that's the thing I don't like about the way Debian/Ubuntu distributes Ruby
[02:09] <kyncani> Nope, azureus depends on sun-j2sdk1.5
[02:09] <Razor-X> you have to get anything sperate yourself
[02:09] <Razor-X> sudo apt-get install irb1.8
[02:10] <Razor-X> sudo apt-get install ri1.8
[02:10] <jeran> ril?
[02:10] <Razor-X> and whatever else you want
[02:10] <jeran> err
[02:10] <jeran> ri1.8?
[02:10] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I saw a ruby/SDL wrapper
[02:10] <amblin_> rails will grab a few dependancies for ya
[02:10] <Razor-X> jeran: ri is ruby documentation
[02:10] <jeran> oh yeah.. I'm use to using  ridoc, heh
[02:10] <Razor-X> and don't forget to alias out irb and ruby
[02:11] <Razor-X> because the 1.8 is annoying
[02:11] <jeran> This sounds confusing already, lol
[02:11] <jeran> I'll leave that alone for now..
[02:11] <Razor-X> well, I like it better than the supposed ``One Click Installer'' for windows
[02:11] <jnr_Ubun2> hi list. how do i disable the password dialog box when connecting to ubuntu from windows on a network?
[02:11] <kyncani> jnr_Ubun2: use ssh ??
[02:12] <tom_> Hey, is it possible for me to setup a user account which is able to run Synaptic only if the root password is given?
[02:12] <Razor-X> ok, back to Tales of Symphonia ;)
[02:12] <jnr_Ubun2> kyncani, i'm trying to share the printer
[02:13] <kafeine> tom_, default accounts should be like this
[02:13] <kyncani> tom_: don't put this user in the admin group, enable root login. This user will have to use "su -c synaptic".
[02:13] <jnr_Ubun2> kyncani, did all the smb configurations, just that password thing bothering me. how do i get rid of it?
[02:13] <Velcan> can anyone suggest a good, easy to use, dvd ripper / encoder
[02:13] <jnr_Ubun2> allow all access
[02:13] <kyncani> jnr_Ubun2: sorry, no experience here :(
[02:13] <jnr_Ubun2> without any password box
[02:13] <tom_> I see, that's what I was looking for, thanks again :)
[02:14] <kafeine> :)
[02:14] <cfuller> i can't get via drivers to work right on a mini-itx can someone help
[02:15] <jnr_Ubun2> Kyncani, it's the access right? where to look.
[02:15] <Mobus> what's the name of the "Frontend" for g++?
[02:16] <slask3n> how do i set a sounddevice as standard? i have the soundoutput on the mainboard, but the mic is in the webcam thats connected through usb.. i have made it work in gnomemeeting, but i cant get it work in skype.. :s i actually just have to select the camera as mic in skype but i cant find any options for that in skype.. but it would be nice if i could have selected it as standard mic globally in the system, and not only in skype...
[02:16] <kafeine> gnight
[02:17] <amblin_> Mobus, frontend or ide?
[02:17] <kyncani> jnr_Ubun2: you'll have to ask someone else, i have no experience in windows or samba, sorry :(
[02:17] <Mobus> ide
[02:17] <satyap> outy
[02:18] <amblin_> lots of them fo g++ but anjuta is gnome
[02:18] <Mobus> anjuta, its aNA ide?
[02:18] <Mobus> IS IT IN SYNAPTIC?
[02:18] <Mobus> sry
[02:18] <Mobus> caps
[02:19] <amblin_> yes
[02:19] <kyncani> Mobus: sure, next time, just type "apt-cache policy anjuta" or search -> anjuta in synaptic
[02:20] <amblin_> i was about to suggest apt-cach search
[02:20] <Mobus> yeah I just serched
[02:20] <Mobus> but I always download from the commabnd line
[02:20] <Mobus> I never download from the GUI
[02:21] <kyncani> Mobus: apt-cache search -i anjuta  then :)
[02:21] <Mobus> tanks
[02:22] <kyncani> Mobus: why do you download from cmd line and install from gui ?
[02:22] <kyncani> why not go all command line or all gui ?
[02:22] <Mobus> I don't
[02:22] <Mobus> I search in the GUI
[02:22] <Mobus> and download and install rom the command line
[02:22] <scott> is there a package that links all the basic compiling tools?
[02:23] <kyncani> scott: build-essential ?
[02:23] <scott> kyncani: thanks
[02:23] <Mobus> does G++ come with the Borland Graphics Interface?
[02:23] <amblin_> no
[02:23] <Mobus> ok...
[02:23] <Mobus> does it come with conio.h?
[02:24] <Mobus> it had better
[02:24] <Mobus> i mean
[02:24] <Mobus> I had a trial version of microsoft visual C++
[02:24] <Mobus> man it sucked
[02:24] <Mobus> it had like NOTHING!
[02:24] <amblin_> why the bgi requirement?
[02:25] <dices2> Mobus: you use gnome or kde ?
[02:25] <Mechcozmo> can't download anything!
[02:25] <phixion> what version of Firefox you using?
[02:25] <dices2> wget is your friend
[02:25] <kyncani> Mobus: apt-file search conio.h  will tell you which package provide conio.h if any (there are). You'll have to install apt-file though
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> uh, whatever one came with ubuntu
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> phixion: whatever version came with Ubuntu
[02:26] <goroth> bonjour
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> apple trademarked that
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> :-p
[02:26] <phixion> u run an apt-get upgrade?
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> yeah
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> well
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> used the Ubuntu updater
[02:26] <FlimFlamMan> etch or ubuntu - which would you pick for a semi-stable workstation?   :-)
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> but it updated
[02:26] <scott> I've heard some new apps are back-ported (what's the proper word they use?) to hoary. are some of these, like a newer version of totem, in some other repository/
[02:27] <goroth> do you help me in french?
[02:27] <Razor-X> goroth: try #ubuntu-fr
[02:27] <goroth> thanx
[02:27] <cfuller> need help with installing on a mini-itx with via chipset
[02:27] <darkmatter> FlimFlamMan: Ubuntu, but only 'coz net-install takes to long
[02:28] <Mechcozmo> cfuller....ya?
[02:28] <sono> hello friends... is anybody having problems with firefox (amd64) after this morning's ubuntu updates?
[02:28] <Mechcozmo> yeah
[02:28] <Mechcozmo> can't download?
[02:28] <kyncani> sono: plenty, read /topic
[02:28] <cfuller> the gui locks up and i can't seen to get the right video driver via doesn't work
[02:28] <sono> Oh I see...
[02:28] <sono> thx dudes
[02:28] <FlimFlamMan> what is the firefox issue?
[02:28] <jnr_Ubun2> i'm trying to allow access to my ubuntu machine on the network so i can print. I had trouble with the password box. How can i get rid of it?. Y'know the usual password box. It's a linux thing, where do you configure access rights etc.?
[02:28] <sono> gonna read
[02:28] <Mechcozmo> i can't download
[02:29] <Mechcozmo> Athlon 2500+
[02:29] <kyncani> FIREFOX: security update that break firefox if you're using some extensions (like tabextension for example)
[02:29] <sono> download, install extensions, open left bars, and is totally an app problem, have tried much. gonna read now.
[02:29] <poningru> ok what do you people recomend for torrent client?
[02:29] <dices2> Azureous
[02:29] <Mechcozmo> kyncani: i've got a virgin FF install, no extentions
[02:29] <Mechcozmo> that's what i was TRYING to install :-)
[02:30] <poningru> azureus sucks
[02:30] <poningru> it uses up too much resources
[02:30] <jnr_Ubun2> Where do you configure access rights?
[02:30] <poningru> does ABC work on linux?
[02:30] <dices2> Azureus does his thing good, better than the rest personally lol
[02:30] <poningru> well yeah but too much resources
[02:30] <amblin_> jnr_Ubun2, you using cups directly or samba?
[02:30] <poningru> hogging
[02:30] <mike> are there other anti-virus scanners besides clamav?
[02:30] <dices2> Azereus plenty to burn =P
[02:31] <mike> clamav alsways says i need to upgrade. dont know if i'm still protected or not
[02:31] <poningru> tornado does not allow more than one download at a time
[02:31] <poningru> for some reason
[02:31] <darkmatter> mike: fprot
[02:31] <Razor-X> I just downgraded ym Azureus
[02:31] <Razor-X> s/ym/my/
[02:31] <jnr_Ubun2> amblin, i'm using Samba
[02:31] <Razor-X> now i'm a much happier person, indeed
[02:31] <jnr_Ubun2> amblin_, i'm using Samba
[02:31] <poningru> anyone tried ABC in linux?
[02:32] <ccc> poningru: use the one that comes with ubuntu if you want lightweight.
[02:32] <Razor-X> I tried bittornado and BitTorrent default
[02:32] <Razor-X> both don't get good speed, for me
[02:32] <poningru> ccc: which one?
[02:32] <IIIEars> mike - clamav is okay it doesn't search very deeply in compressed files. - give f-prot a shot (also free)
[02:32] <Razor-X> i'm gonna try console-ui for Azureus later
[02:32] <poningru> cause tornado only gets one download at a time
[02:32] <kyncani> poningru: gnome-btdownload's cool
[02:32] <poningru> oh
[02:32] <Razor-X> poningru: btdownloadmany
[02:32] <poningru> let me try that
[02:33] <mike> alright
[02:33] <phixion> if gnome-btdownload or bittorrent had download spd cap id use em :/
[02:33] <daryle> I use Azureus and get decent speed.
[02:33] <poningru> Razor-X: is that package?
[02:33] <mike> thanks IIIears
[02:33] <Razor-X> poningru: nopes
[02:33] <Xyc0> Is there an applet that accurately tells your wireless signal strength?  Network Monitor doesn't do that.
[02:33] <Razor-X> included in either BitTorrent or BitTornado
[02:33] <Razor-X> or just lump it in a screen session
[02:33] <Razor-X> one thing really needs to be made in Linux, embeddable mini-screen sessions
[02:33] <Razor-X> that can handle multiple instances of one program, like for you vi users, or multiple console apps, or such
[02:34] <Razor-X> and they can be embedded in screen sessions
[02:34] <Razor-X> no need for that in emacs buffers, but screen is still pretty awesome, don't wish any ill on the project ;)
[02:34] <scott> anyone know the name of the X dev packages?
[02:34] <Xyc0> What is the name of an applet that reports the current wireless signal strength?
[02:34] <phixion> there is no way of capping dload speed in bittorent right?
[02:34] <bruker11> Hi! Can I install kubuntu from a harddisk?  I've added initrd.gz and vmlinuz in /boot and booted installer from lilo sucsessfully. But installer gives no option for installation from hard disk (fat32)
[02:35] <Razor-X> phixion: of _course_ there is!
[02:35] <phixion> command?
[02:35] <mrd`> scott: x-dev?
[02:35] <Razor-X> I cap mine at 19 k/s
[02:35] <phixion> i run btdownloadcurses with max_upload_rate...
[02:35] <Razor-X> phixion: what client are you using?
[02:35] <Razor-X> well, that should do it, i'ld think
[02:35] <scott> mrd`: thanks
[02:35] <Razor-X> works for me, anywho
[02:35] <phixion> bittorrent
[02:35] <mrd`> scott: If that doesn't have what you want, try xlibs-dev.
[02:35] <mebaran151> scott, x-dev
[02:35] <mebaran151> wil get most of them
[02:35] <darkmatter> scott: x-window-system-dev
[02:35] <mebaran151> gtk-dev will get alot of them too
[02:35] <jmspeex> Any plans on updating firefox? 1.0.2 is kinda buggy...
[02:35] <phixion> well, im running azureus atm, but id rather use bittorrent, if there was a way to cap dload speed.
[02:35] <mrd`> Anyone have a working link to the video of Mark Shuttleworth singing?
[02:36] <Xyc0> bruker11: http://www.kubuntu.org/
[02:36] <kyncani> bruker11: i don't think you can install gnu/linux on fat32. You need reiserfs or ext3 (for the most popular ones)
[02:36] <jon__> awesome.
[02:36] <jnr_Ubun2> Can anyone recommend any OS Internet timing software - i.e. for a wireless
[02:36] <jnr_Ubun2> gateway in an Internet caf, so people can buy prepaid time etc.?
[02:36] <boga> bruker11: nope! That is not possible the way you are trying.
[02:36] <darkmatter> that's the dev meta package
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> jnr_Ubun2 : rtc in your kernel... /dev/rtc
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> real time clock
[02:36] <bruker11> boga: so what to do then?
[02:37] <nuky> hi, i've made lots of progress and just need a teeny bit of help to complete my usb hard disk installation.. if anyone can help PLEEEEEASE IM me as i don't want to clutter up the chat.. thanks heaps in advance.. i'm nearly done..
[02:37] <IIIEars> jnr_Ubun2 - try sourceforge - there are several
[02:37] <kyncani> bruker11: use the installer to format your fat32 partition to reiserfs or ext3
[02:37] <ccc> jon__: :D
[02:37] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: when are we throwing that winxp bashin party?
[02:38] <Xyc0> Is there a reason that Ubuntu installs on EXT3 as opposed to RiserFS?
[02:38] <bruker11> I am installing FROM a fat32 partition, NOT to it. The installation partitions are ok
[02:38] <IIIEars> hehe - i just got lazy and pitched it in a dumpster.
[02:38] <bruker11> sourcetarget i mean
[02:38] <sproingie> Xyc0: defaults are easier to support.  use the expert installer if you want something else. i installed mine on xfs
[02:38] <Xyc0> sproingie: but why pick Ext3?
[02:38] <FLeiXiuS> sproingie: Wouldn't XFS be a bit slower for local file moving.
[02:38] <poningru> Razor-X: are you saying bittornado should handle more than one download at a time?
[02:39] <Razor-X> 1.5 hrs remaining in my download ;)
[02:39] <sproingie> Xyc0: because it's stable
[02:39] <Razor-X> poningru: I thought it could
[02:39] <kyncani> bruker11: oh, got it wrong then, sorry
[02:39] <Razor-X> but, if not, use a screen session
[02:39] <sproingie> FLeiXiuS: xfs is zoomzoom fast on x86-64
[02:39] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: what  pirated d/l are you getting now?
[02:39] <bruker11> got no burner you see...
[02:39] <Razor-X> oh yeah, is Reiser4 supported by Ubuntu?
[02:39] <IIIEars> hybrid_goth - salvaged a pair of very nice 40g HDs- (packrat lol)
[02:39] <darkmatter> sproingie: so is Reiser
[02:39] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: it (this one, at least) isn't pirated ;)
[02:39] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: yes it is
[02:39] <Razor-X> it's anime
[02:39] <FLeiXiuS> sproingie: I can concur with you on that one :-P.  But, I've not about to create a chroot environment.  I'm opposed to that.
[02:39] <Razor-X> errr, wait....
[02:39] <kafeine> Razor-X, no it isn't:) not yet, anyway
[02:39] <Razor-X> *cough* i'm downloading nothing
[02:40] <kafeine> it still aint in vanilla
[02:40] <Xyc0> darkmatter: I donno, i just tried reiser, and i get alot of package errors
[02:40] <dices2> Anyone knows if it is possible to mount a partition making the owner of all the files in it to the one that mounts it ?  (ext3 partition)
[02:40] <sproingie> darkmatter: i don't trust reiserfs, i've had it eat my data several times
[02:40] <Razor-X> it's anime, thought, i'll admit that much
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ok dont d/l wedding crashers or charlie and chocolate factory from mininova
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> anime pwns
[02:40] <Razor-X> s/<\ht\>/h/
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ?
[02:40] <Razor-X> ok
[02:40] <Razor-X> that's a regexp
[02:40] <Xyc0> I AM 100% RID OF M$ weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[02:40] <Razor-X> (if I got it right)
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: the mpaa is seeding it
[02:41] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ahhh, really?
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> Xyc0: congrats
[02:41] <Razor-X> but, is the movie a real movie? XD
[02:41] <Xyc0> cedega helps alot
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: yup it was on digg.com and i followed it up
[02:41] <mrd`> Ubuntu defaults to ext3 because it works well enough for most users and gracefully handles abrupt loss of power.
[02:41] <Razor-X> I'm thinking of making a nice little partition of Reiser4 on here
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: no it is to catch ppl like us-- err you
[02:41] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: hehe, I understand
[02:41] <Razor-X> I don't download movies much, though, mostly anime
[02:42] <kyncani> Xyc0: cedega for games ?
[02:42] <catolh> Is the libxcom included in the ubuntu package? Trying to install Firefox 1.0.6 but i get the message i dont have libxcom..
[02:42] <sproingie> libxcom: libufodefense
[02:42] <Xyc0> kyncani: yea, the only thing holding me back from borking windows
[02:42] <kyncani> Xyc0: i understand.
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i get music and videos like systm
[02:42] <bruker11> if i can not use a hard disk as source for installation of kubuntu, i'll stick with slack
[02:42] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I occasionally get music, quite occasionally
[02:42] <Xyc0> kyncani: there are alot of FPS now for linux
[02:43] <Razor-X> I get books a lot, though
[02:43] <Razor-X> not fiction, nonfiction
[02:43] <Xyc0> UT, Doom, Quake
[02:43] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i got AC/DC back in black from bt it was AWESOME
[02:43] <kyncani> Xyc0: got unreal and nwn, they're fine. Still missing some real-time strategy though
[02:43] <dices2> Anyone knows if it is possible to mount a partition making the owner of all the files in it to the one that mounts it ?  (ext3 partition)
[02:43] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: they need more FLAC on BT
[02:43] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i get programming books from it that and hitchhikers guide
[02:43] <Xyc0> kyncani: every try glob2?
[02:43] <Xyc0> ever*
[02:44] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: yeah, programming books here
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: flac? ogg!
[02:44] <darkmatter> NWN is sweet under Linux
[02:44] <sproingie> ogg is lossy.  flac is not
[02:44] <IIIEars> kyncani - UT loki UT-2k4 native , FarCry loki, Americas Army,MOHAA etc
[02:44] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ogg is lossy
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> is flac open source
[02:44] <Razor-X> I rip everything in FLAC
[02:44] <mrd`> Yes.
[02:44] <Razor-X> of _course_
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:44] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: yes
[02:44] <Razor-X> FREE Lossless Audio Codec
[02:44] <kyncani> Xyc0: once i think, (felt not that entertaning though) .. looking for smthing like starcraft, warcraft, aoe
[02:44] <Razor-X> Free as in libre, not as in beer
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:44] <Xyc0> kyncani: SC works great on cedega
[02:44] <mrd`> It's free as in both.
[02:45] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: may have to try that. how big is a standard flac song
[02:45] <sproingie> what's flac's compression ratio like?
[02:45] <kyncani> Xyc0: a little old though ;)
[02:45] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: well, FLAC can do about 50% compression
[02:45] <Xyc0> SC rocks
[02:45] <Xyc0> :D
[02:45] <Razor-X> nothing compared to MP3 or OGG, but awesome quality
[02:45] <IIIEars> kyncani - loki has adapted installers for quite a few popular games.
[02:45] <hybrid_goth> wow
[02:45] <kyncani> Xyc0: i have sc and war3 on wine, they're fine
[02:45] <Razor-X> but it can do magic to Classical
[02:45] <mike> when installing programs should i move the tar.gz file to /usr/bin or /usr/sbin?
[02:46] <mrd`> mike: You shouldn't put a tar.gz file in either of those.
[02:46] <kyncani> IIIEars: yeah, i've seen one the other day i may try, don't remember the name right now
[02:46] <Razor-X> right now I have Iced Earth (Night of the Stormrider) and Pink Floyd (Dark Side of The Moon (missing two songs, thanks to a friend who abused his CD)) on my HDD right now
[02:46] <mike> folder only? mrd`?
[02:46] <Xyc0> kyncani: wine has always been iffy with me
[02:46] <mrd`> mike: What's in the .tar.gz file?
[02:46] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ever listen too NIN? or Lamb of God? i love Floyd and Iced Earth
[02:47] <mike> clam-av
[02:47] <IIIEars> Wine is a "PIA" - better than gin i have heard though. - lol
[02:47] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[02:47] <mrd`> mike: Is it a source package for it?
[02:47] <mike> yea
[02:47] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: heh
[02:47] <ubuntu> here on live cd, how to extract pics of my digital cam?
[02:47] <mike> i have it already from apt mrd` but its an older version
[02:48] <Muelli> Hi Folks! My MPlayer and all other progs are hanging while accessing my sound (i suggest..) .. How to debug this?
[02:48] <mrd`> mike: Is the version from apt not new enough for you?
[02:48] <mike> synaptic doesn' have the newest one, so i downloaded the new source
[02:48] <Xyc0> Muelli: Change the output plugin to one that supports your sound drivers
[02:48] <ubuntu> Muelli I got the same problem here!
[02:48] <kyncani> Xyc0,IIIEars: there were this one game, but i think it needs an old libc. That may be the sign that it won't be supported in a year or two ..
[02:49] <kyncani> (don't remember the name)
[02:49] <Xyc0> good info he he
[02:49] <kyncani> :)
[02:50] <Muelli> Xyc0: It isn't that easy 'cos all my sound is scrambled up I think.. Every Software which wants to access my sound hangs up... O_o
[02:50] <amblin_> Muelli, system->preferences->multimedia system selector, what's the default sink for audio output
[02:50] <codecaine> can someone tell me how to keep speedstep_centrino from loading up?
[02:50] <Muelli> ESD
[02:50] <Xyc0> Muelli: That is because it is using the wrong output
[02:50] <Gnobody> is x still broken on breezy?
[02:50] <Xyc0> Muelli: Pick a program you wanna fix, maybe i can walk you through
[02:50] <Muelli> Hmm.. the test passes *g*
[02:51] <kyncani> Xyc0,IIIEars: kohan, immortal sovereigns, that was the title :)
[02:51] <Muelli> the sink is esdsink
[02:51] <Razor-X> uggghhh!
[02:51] <Razor-X> another CPU spike
[02:51] <mrd`> mike: Have you looked at clamav-freshclam?
[02:51] <Razor-X> why?! I downgraded Azureus
[02:51] <Razor-X> hmmm, just the JAR
[02:51] <Razor-X> i'm gonna rip the whole thing out
[02:52] <IIIEars> sounds good - just frustrated enough with my struggle with ditributing restore images over lan at this moment to try a new games
[02:52] <codecaine> where do i go to keep modules from loading in the kernel???
[02:52] <Razor-X> maybe because there's too much RAM being used... hmmm :(
[02:52] <Muelli> Hmm.. But why does my ALSA not work, or better: How do I get it work?
[02:53] <amblin_> kyncani, loki did a "real" linux port of kohan if i remember correctly
[02:54] <kyncani> amblin: yeah, i think so. But as i said, it needs and old glibc and maybe that's a sign that it won't work at all in a year or two ?
[02:54] <Xyc0> Muelli: What sound driver are you using?
[02:54] <amblin_> ywah
[02:54] <amblin_> err yeah
[02:55] <mrd`> You can have multiple libcs installed.
[02:55] <amblin_> i miss loki... so much down the tubes
[02:55] <Razor-X> hmmmm, wow, I only have 22948 MB of memory not used...
[02:55] <Xyc0> Razor-X: what did you fill it with
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: that pR0n fills up HHD quick
[02:56] <Razor-X> not HDD
[02:56] <Razor-X> psshhh, my HDD is a 40 GB
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> heh
[02:56] <Razor-X> and this partition is 5 GB
[02:56] <Xyc0> Hot Hard Drive
[02:56] <Xyc0> with the pron
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> harddrive disc
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:56] <Razor-X> cat /proc/meminfo: Inactive: 22948 kb
[02:56] <Muelli> Xyc0, a good question.. I didnt built the kernel... :-\ How do I check that out?
[02:57] <mrd`> Hard disk drive, but who's counting.
[02:57] <codecaine> what's the equivalent to /etc/modules.conf in ubuntu???
[02:57] <mrd`> codecaine: /etc/modules maybe?
[02:57] <Xyc0> Muelli: well, lets start with what sound card you are using.
[02:57] <codecaine> mrd, yes thanks
[02:57] <codecaine> arch linux
[02:58] <IIIEars> Razor - nonone talks about the good pr0n does for the hardware manufacturing industry. - a lot of new hard drives needed - lol
[02:58] <codecaine> mrd, im looking to stop speedstep_centrino from loading but its not in /etc/modules where else would it be loaded?
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: wget is nice for pR0n right nalioth ?
[02:58] <mrd`> codecaine: You want /etc/hotplug/blacklist then.
[02:58] <codecaine> mrd, ok.  which file is actually loading it?
[02:58] <mrd`> IIIEars: It's also responsible for advancing broadband, new video codecs, and jpeg2000's adoption.
[02:59] <IIIEars> heh
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> mrd`: really?
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> =D
[02:59] <Razor-X> hello?
[02:59] <Muelli> Hmm Xyc0.. I think it should be Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:59] <Razor-X> ahh, there we are
[02:59] <amblin_> id go with broadband.. no lie
[02:59] <Razor-X> needed a router restart hmmm
[02:59] <mrd`> codecaine: hotplug is loading it because it probably thinks you have a centrino system; if you add speedstep_centrino to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, it won't load it at boot time.
[03:00] <Xyc0> Muelli: I would use Esound
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: linksys wireless b?
[03:00] <codecaine> mrd, thanks yes i do have centrino, but i need to try and remove it so my system runs full speed always, as im seeing performance issues with a centrino 1.6ghz
[03:00] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: Netgear MR something-er-other
[03:01] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ah cuz i got to reset mine when power goes out
[03:01] <codecaine> mrd, how about laptop_mode, doesn't that turn down the disks too?  sometimes system takes a sec to respond quickly
[03:01] <Razor-X> no, I needed to restart because the webadmin stopped working
[03:01] <Muelli> Xyc: I suppose thats a good idea, but why shouldn't I use ALSA? Or is that something completly different?
[03:01] <Razor-X> guess even routers need restarts
[03:01] <Razor-X> haven't restarted this in half a year, I'm guessing
[03:01] <scott> is there an easy way to have make/autogen etc output colored?
[03:02] <mrd`> codecaine: I *suspect* hotplug is auto loading laptop_mode too, but I can't be certain.
[03:02] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: wow
[03:02] <codecaine> mrd`, i think laptop_mode is in 2.6 kernel???
[03:02] <codecaine> it's not a module showing up in lsmod
[03:02] <Xyc0> Muelli: ALSA is for Audigy class soundcards
[03:03] <mrd`> codecaine: /etc/default/laptop-mode
[03:03] <Muelli> args
[03:03] <codecaine> mrd`, sweet thanks man.
[03:04] <codecaine> fast answers!
[03:04] <codecaine> mrd`, what do i need to restart to make laptop-mode change go in effect?
[03:05] <Muelli> Xyc0: We are talking 'bout drivers, right? Kind of kernel addons to communicate with the hardware. You're sure, that ALSA is just for Audigy Soundcards? Well, anyway. I need something what (emulates) ALSA or OSS :-\
[03:05] <mrd`> codecaine: Run 'sudo /usr/sbin/laptop-mode stop'.
[03:05] <Xyc0> Muelli: What exactly is your goal?
[03:05] <mrd`> Muelli: No, ALSA is for all sound cards.
[03:06] <mrd`> Xyc0: ALSA stands for Advanced Linux Sound Architecture.
[03:06] <codecaine> mrd`, great. impressive.
[03:06] <Muelli> My primary goal is to get stepmania working. Stepmania needs ALSA or OSS hardware. Secondary goal is to get mplayer & stuff working properly.
[03:07] <mrd`> Muelli: Do you have sound in Ubuntu?
[03:07] <amblin_> Muelli, system->preferences->multimedia system selector, what's the default sink for audio output
[03:07] <codecaine> mrd`, for speedstep to unload would i have to logout completely to do that?
[03:07] <hacked`> guys, how can i find out what kind of wifi card i have on my laptop
[03:07] <Xyc0> Muelli: use oss, alsa is not for all sound cards
[03:07] <Antinomy> help!
[03:07] <amblin_> if it's alsa.. then that's will be a prblem
[03:07] <hacked`> i mean its working, i just want to know
[03:07] <Antinomy> I got ubuntu to run
[03:07] <codecaine> hacked`, maybe hal-device-manager
[03:07] <mrd`> Xyc0: Stop spreading lies, ALSA is for everything.
[03:07] <Antinomy> it doesn't recognize my keyboard
[03:07] <mrd`> codecaine: 'sudo rmmod speedstep_centrino'.
[03:07] <codecaine> mrd`, tried that said it was in use?
[03:07] <Antinomy> but the mouse works
[03:08] <mrd`> codecaine: What's 'lsmod | grep speedstep_centrino' show?
[03:08] <Antinomy> I'm at the splah - any mouse only ops I can do to fix this?
[03:08] <codecaine> mrd`, agh other dependencies on it, kill them first right?
[03:08] <mrd`> codecaine: Most likely.
[03:08] <Muelli> Xyc0: k.. Then howto use OSS. I mean, i got snd_*_oss loaded :-\
[03:08] <PurpleBlu> I am having a Samba problem.  I have been sitting in the Samba channel for several minutes.  Can anyone help?
[03:09] <mrd`> Muelli: You have ALSA, and Ubuntu includes OSS emulation by default.
[03:09] <mrd`> Muelli: Are you actually experiencing that StepMania isn't working for you, or are you making sure you have everything you need ahead of time?
[03:09] <codecaine> mrd`, freq_table, processor has depend on speedstep
[03:09] <codecaine> mrd`, try removing those and it says in use by speedstep
[03:10] <mrd`> codecaine: You can use 'rmmod -f' to force them to be removed... it /should/ be safe, but no promises. :)
[03:10] <mrd`> codecaine: If you're concerned, rebooting is probably the safest bet.
[03:10] <Muelli> mrd`: Stepmania is telling me, that it couldn't open /dev/dsp :-\
[03:10] <codecaine> mrd`, ok think ill try force :)
[03:10] <Muelli> And by the way all my multimedia apps seem to be broken. At least they hang when they should play a movie or something
[03:11] <amblin_> Muelli, are you using stock ubuntu, gnome?
[03:11] <Muelli> (maybe a reboot helps *g*)
[03:11] <mrd`> Muelli: You have a '/dev/dsp' device, right?
[03:11] <codecaine> mrd`, worked
[03:11] <mrd`> codecaine: Cool.
[03:11] <codecaine> mrd`, thank you for your help
[03:11] <koji-kabuto-work> Good night, they excuse, installs Mplayer with codecs that explains the guide, I I want to reproduce video in mozilla-firefox.  Install mplayerplug-in, you load the buffer and when reproducing remains unemployed, who can be?
[03:11] <mrd`> codecaine: No problem.
[03:12] <Muelli> mrd`: Yeah. At least I got an entry in my filesystem named /dev/dsp *g*
[03:12] <Xyc0> did anyone get what koji-kabuto-work said?
[03:12] <Muelli> amblin: what do you mean by "stock ubuntu" ?
[03:12] <mrd`> koji-kabuto-work: Pardon?
[03:12] <Xyc0> I think hes using a translator
[03:13] <mrd`> Muelli: He's just making sure you haven't messed around with the system or are using something other than Ubuntu 5.04 or 4.10.
[03:13] <koji-kabuto-work> Mplayer in firefox does not work to me
[03:13] <slask3n> how do i set a sounddevice as standard? i have the soundoutput on the mainboard, but the mic is in the webcam thats connected through usb.. i have made it work in gnomemeeting, but i cant get it work in skype.. :s i actually just have to select the camera as mic in skype but i cant find any options for that in skype.. but it would be nice if i could have selected it as standard mic globally in the system, and not only in skype...
[03:14] <codecaine> mrd`, im looking in /proc/cpufreq /proc/cpuinfo i dont see where it says what my current processor speed is, is this the correct place to look?
[03:14] <amblin_> koji-kabuto-work, you have installed mozplugger?
[03:14] <mrd`> codecaine: In /proc/cpuinfo, the 'cpu MHz' line is your current speed.
[03:15] <codecaine> mrd`, stuck on 500mhz then, im running 1.6ghz
[03:15] <codecaine> mrd`, a reboot would maybe fix that?
[03:15] <mrd`> slask3n: You can specify your default audio source in System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector.
[03:15] <IIIEars>  mrd - is there a command toprint that info to screen without opening the file/
[03:15] <koji-kabuto-work> amblin _ everything installed including mozplugger
[03:15] <mrd`> codecaine: Check if powernowd is running (e.g. 'ps -A | grep powernowd')
[03:15] <amblin_> mrd`, im guessing that he has it set to alsa instead of esound?
[03:15] <mrd`> IIIEars: What info?
[03:16] <codecaine> mrd`, yes it is
[03:16] <IIIEars> mrd - cpu frequency?
[03:16] <PurpleBlu> Anyone use Samba around here?
[03:16] <mrd`> codecaine: Try killing it.
[03:16] <codecaine> mrd`, is powernowd something that works with speedstep_centrino?
[03:16] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: yes
[03:16] <nuky> hi, i'm trying to install my external usb hard disk and once i plug it in it says that everything is ok in the /var/log/messages but then after a while (a few minutes) this gets added:Jul 23 02:13:27 localhost kernel: acpi-cpufreq: Transition failed, Jul 23 02:13:30 localhost kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 3 channel 0 id 0 lun 0, does anyone know what that means?
[03:16] <mrd`> IIIEars: Like 'grep "cpu MHz" /proc/cpuinfo'?
[03:16] <mrd`> Muelli: Is this a single user system?
[03:16] <koji-kabuto-work> the buffer this good, but the reproduction does not make it
[03:17] <IIIEars> mrd - ah - nice tip
[03:17] <IIIEars> Thanks :)
[03:17] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth I am having problems getting it to work.  I got to Administrative mode, and nothing
[03:17] <amblin_> koji-kabuto-work, can mplayer play the video outside of firefox?
[03:17] <codecaine> mrd`, killed but still same mhz
[03:17] <mrd`> IIIEars: I suppose 'grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo' is even simpler.
[03:17] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: what are you going to connect to?
[03:17] <mrd`> codecaine: Hm... my next guess would be reboot, sorry. :)
[03:18] <codecaine> mrd`, no biggie, should i stop powernowd from starting too?
[03:18] <BockBilbo> anyone knows whats the name of those typical window maker docks?
[03:18] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth I was told I can network a external HDD with a Windows Box if I used Samba
[03:18] <koji-kabuto-work> if, it reproduces videos without problems, single the problem is with firefox
[03:18] <mrd`> codecaine: It probably wouldn't hurt, though I don't expect it can do anything without speedstep_centrino loaded.
[03:18] <IIIEars> mrd' - GAWD i LOVE linux. - hehe
[03:19] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth I wanna network my external HDD.  Cause on Linux box I have the USB 2.0
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: yes in windows turn on file sharing and share that HDD
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> is the HDD on the linux or windows box
[03:19] <Muelli> mrd`: Yes it is
[03:19] <andares> Chinese? =O!
[03:19] <codecaine> mrd`, ok
[03:19] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth I want to connect the HDD to Linux box.  The share it from there.  Can I do that?
[03:20] <koji-kabuto-work> single the problem is with firefox
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: yes
[03:20] <codecaine> mrd`, doing all this because if i load debian sarg with gnome my system is snappy, yet ubuntu is a bit sluggish
[03:20] <codecaine> mrd`, i was thinking maybe cause all these modules
[03:20] <nuky> when i plug in the usb drive, it is recognised and everything by ubuntu but there is no associates sd? to it.. does anyone know how i get that? all the tutorials say it's in the /var/log/messages when i plug it in but that only says about the scsi..
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: windows file sharing needs to be on
[03:20] <Velcan> what's the command again to run the xorg reconfig script?
[03:20] <codecaine> nuky, i normally do a tail /var/log/messages or dmesg
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> imho it would be easier to connect it to the windows box
[03:20] <IIIEars> PerpleBlu - Yes you can. - works very well. - takes a few moments for your machine to be accepted on the lan so be patient.
[03:20] <mrd`> codecaine: It's possible... on my system I actually prefer having the extra battery time over a super speedy system. :)
[03:20] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth can you walk me through what I got to do?
[03:20] <koji-kabuto-work> mplayer reproduces PC videos
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: /msg me
[03:21] <codecaine> mrd`, i got spoiled by xfce.  wow that is a snappy experience
[03:21] <mrd`> Muelli: Hm... so you're using the user account the installer created for you too?
[03:21] <mrd`> codecaine: Pfft, tty0. :)
[03:21] <codecaine> mrd`, tty0?
[03:22] <nuky> codecaine: yeah i tried tail /var/log/messages but there's no section that mentions an sd? value.. only scsi3...
[03:22] <IIIEars> PurpleBlu - taskbar > places > connect to server or connect to servers and select "windows share
[03:22] <Velcan> !xorg
[03:22] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Velcan
[03:22] <mrd`> codecaine: I think the first virtual terminal... but maybe I just made that up.
[03:22] <codecaine> nuky, i thought you said a usb device?
[03:22] <Velcan> :(
[03:22] <Muelli> mrd`: yes. Why aer you asking?
[03:22] <kyncani> Velcan: dpkg-reconfigure ?
[03:22] <Velcan> yea
[03:22] <codecaine> mrd`, oh ok thats what i had figured
[03:22] <nuky> i formatted it to fat32 too
[03:22] <codecaine> ps/0 is console tty's are ssh's right?
[03:22] <mrd`> Muelli: Just making sure that you should have access to /dev/dsp.
[03:22] <Velcan> what's the last part
[03:22] <Velcan> xsession-xorg er something
[03:22] <kyncani> Velcan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:23] <Velcan> kk thanks
[03:23] <kyncani> ;)
[03:23] <codecaine> mrd`, do you use vi or vim?
[03:23] <mrd`> codecaine: Emacs.
[03:23] <mrd`> Muelli: Has sound ever worked for you since installing Ubuntu?
[03:23] <codecaine> mrd`, agh was gonna ask if sometimes you get like a second or two delay after you write a change and close like :wq
[03:24] <Muelli> mrd`,
[03:24] <Muelli> arg
[03:24] <nuky> please can anyone help with this.. i have tried all the tutorials i could find... i just need to know where to get a sd? from so i can mount.. because my linux doesn't seem to be assigning one automatically..
[03:24] <codecaine> nuky, for usb drive?
[03:24] <nuky> yeah
[03:24] <mrd`> nuky: Do you have /dev/sda1 or anything?
[03:24] <Muelli> mrd`: yeah. It actually does :-) xine plays sound
[03:25] <IIIEars> PurpleBlu - consider Openssh for file transfers - a bit more effort to set up but less likely hacked
[03:25] <mrd`> Muelli: Hm...
[03:25] <nuky> nah, there aren't any sda or anything.. but in the device manager and lsusb, the usb mass storage drive is recognised
[03:25] <Muelli> I think I'll try a reboot in a minute :-/
[03:26] <mrd`> nuky: Is udev running? ('ps -A | grep udev')
[03:26] <nuky> i think so.. it outputted:  1140 ?        00:00:00 udevd
[03:27] <mrd`> Hm.
[03:27] <pc1_> excuse, not to be written ingles well
[03:28] <sproingie> !es
[03:28] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:28] <nuky> i can hear the disk spinning too.. before when it didn't recognise it, the disk didn't do anything but now the little red light is on on the casing but it doesn't go off or do anything..
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> how do you share a folder in linux
[03:29] <mrd`> nuky: Sorry, no clue... I would expect udev would have added it automagically, but if it's not I'm lost.
[03:29] <[2] BoxingFiend> !fr
[03:29] <ubotu> fr is, like, http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org
[03:29] <[2] BoxingFiend> !vi
[03:29] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:29] <codecaine> nuky, does hal-device-manager let u know anything?
[03:30] <IIIEars> hybrid_goth - right click