[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[06:35] <bkerensa> dholbach: I'm available early if you would like otherwise I will see you in a half hour or so
[06:36] <dholbach> bkerensa, give me a few mins, brb
[06:44] <dholbach> bkerensa, alright, shall we? :)
[06:45] <bkerensa> yes why dont you send me an invite
[06:45] <dholbach> yep, on it
[06:58] <dholbach> awesome :)
[07:04] <bkerensa> fired off an e-mail to Clint
[07:12] <dholbach> great
[07:21] <dholbach> bkerensa, maybe we could go through our Google Docs and clean them up - I'm sure there's quite some stuff we don't  need any more
[07:21] <dholbach> I just went through the Trello and cleaned it
[12:31] <s-lion> hey AlanBell
[12:34] <AlanBell> o/ s-lion
[19:27] <pleia2> Unit193: you about to run your link-fu? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue269
[21:19] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue269


[16:38] <pleia2> knome: we need to do something about docs :\
[16:39] <Unit193> cat /dev/urandom >> xubuntu/docs  ?
[16:39] <pleia2> maybe outline the issue (docs are hard) and see if someone on list who volunteered wants to come up with some way to handle it?
[16:43] <kalxas> hi all, I am a developer from OSGeoLive project http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
[16:44] <kalxas> we have a problem creating an installable iso based on 12.04
[16:44] <kalxas> we are using all methods available and get the same issue.
[16:45] <kalxas> the system installs ok and during the first boot we get an error about not being able to mount /run
[16:45] <kalxas> we use this method here: https://gist.github.com/2838416
[16:45] <kalxas> but also remastersys
[16:45] <kalxas> both give the same problem
[16:46] <kalxas> so we are now wondering if you know something about this issue
[16:48] <pleia2> kalxas: welcome :) I'd recommend emailing the xubuntu-devel list, not all the devs are always active here
[16:48] <pleia2> I met one of the OSGeoLive folks at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in May, good stuff
[16:49] <kalxas> hi pleia2
[16:49] <kalxas> did you meet Brian or Alex?
[16:49] <pleia2> kalxas: unfortunately I don't remember :\
[16:49] <kalxas> no problem
[16:50] <kalxas> we are ready for RC1 and we have this blocking issue now
[16:50] <kalxas> all applications and documents are in place
[16:53] <kalxas> thanks pleia2 for the suggestion, I am going to post to xubuntu-devel mailing list
[17:37] <pleia2> astraljava: some of the links on the qa tracker for our isos are wrong, how do we go about fixing these? like this: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/19880/testcases/134/results
[17:37] <pleia2> that's the desktop image, but it's linking to alternate
[19:29] <knome> pleia2, yup.
[19:33] <pleia2> I'll write a draft
[19:33] <knome> thanks
[19:34] <knome> i can chime in, though i'm enjoying a beer currently ;)
[19:34] <knome> wait
[19:34] <knome> wasn't there a draft alread?
[19:34] <pleia2> draft email to send to the list?
[19:34] <knome> http://typewith.me/p/RT4qAanipe
[19:34] <knome> y
[19:34] <pleia2> oh yeah
[19:34] <pleia2> my poor brain
[19:35] <knome> there was a reason to postpone this so that i'll be back
[19:35] <knome> was it just that i'm available or was there something else too?
[19:35] <pleia2> I think that's it
[19:35] <knome> ok
[19:35] <knome> we need to rethink the list
[19:35] <pleia2> yeah
[19:35] <knome> do we want to mention the specific roles?
[19:35] <pleia2> I don't think so, and I think we need to somehow mention that there isn't a doc lead, so we're sort of feeling our way along here
[19:35] <knome> those are not so exclusive, but otoh, because we made people choose, i think we should actually tell who should do what
[19:40] <knome> ok, done changes
[19:46] <pleia2> ok, I made some changes too, maybe we sleep on this and send it out tomorrow
[19:46] <knome> sounds good, though i think we've sleeped on it a lot already ;)
[19:47] <pleia2> yeah well :)
[19:47] <knome> ;)
[19:47] <knome> yeah, doesn't hurt to sleep one more night
[19:47] <knome> about the sameish time tomorrow we send it then?
[19:48] <knome> hmm
[19:48] <knome> do we have a meeting tomorrow?
[19:48] <knome> what's the normal schedule
[19:48] <micahg> I probably will not be here
[19:48] <knome> beta1 isn't around the corner just yet?
[19:48] <pleia2> I thought we were supposed to have one last week, so I don't know anymore :)
[19:48] <pleia2> no, alpha3 was just a few days ago
[19:48] <knome> yeah, but that was because of a3
[19:49] <knome> i think it's next to meaningless if we announce it today though...
[19:49] <micahg> only devel updates I'm aware of are mr_pouit did some merges/syncs and I got a fix committed to drop a chunk of the unity library dependency tree from our images
[19:49] <knome> if people turn up, just keep an informal meeting or so
[19:49] <micahg> well, I filed the bug and someone else committed the fix
[19:49] <knome> i can try to be around about the time we have had meetings
[19:50] <knome> micahg, :))
[19:50] <knome> micahg, nice
[19:50] <knome> pleia2, does that sound fair? ^
[19:50] <micahg> it's only ~1MB or so though, not that exciting, but something
[19:50] <knome> 15UTC it is
[19:50] <knome> micahg, btw, what's our size?
[19:50] <micahg> same as before alpha3 without the ballooning
[19:50] <micahg> ~735 on desktop
[19:51] <micahg> amd64
[19:51] <pleia2> whatever :)
[19:51] <pleia2> I'll wake up at 15:00 UTC
[19:51] <knome> is there something we can still drop rather easily?
[19:51] <knome> or should we start taking a lot of time to sort it out?
[19:51] <knome> python issues still around?
[19:51] <knome> or was that gimp..
[19:51] <knome> meh
[19:51] <knome> :<
[19:51] <micahg> no idea, I need to dig more
[19:51] <micahg> gimp is keeping gtk2 in
[19:51] <knome> okay
[19:51] <micahg> err
[19:52] <micahg> webkitgtk1.0
[19:52] <micahg> that's ~7MB
[19:52] <knome> mmh
[19:53] <micahg> there are probably more bad recommends somewhere, but we might need to drop something in the end to stay CD sized (I think we could still drop a language or 2 if desired ~10MB each)
[19:53] <knome> not desired really...
[19:53] <micahg> ok, so, let's see where we end up, it'll probably be another week before I can devote any serious time to this
[19:53] <micahg> *at least another week
[19:53] <knome> how much was it again that gimp would drop?
[19:54] <micahg> gimp with dependencies?  ~50MB at this point I think
[19:54] <knome> mmh
[19:54] <knome> not as much as i hoped, but okay ;)
[19:55] <micahg> it was ~40, but with libwebkitgtk1.0, it's almost ~50
[19:55] <micahg> or so I think, I could be wrong, but it's certainly enough to make all the images under 700MB again
[19:56] <knome> :)
[19:56] <Unit193> How much is gmusicbrowser anyway?
[19:56] <knome> not too much, it's perl
[19:57] <knome> we're not dropping it if there's no alternative, and i doubt most alternatives would take at least the same space :)
[19:57] <knome> (except some cli stuff..)
[19:59] <micahg> yeah, it's tiny
[20:01] <Unit193> Just wondered.
[20:02] <knome> :)


 Hi! As you may know, the openstore app does not show nothing on UBports 16.04... May  somebody tell me if the UBports team have some idea when it will be fixed?
 I can wait. I asked just to have an idea...
[01:36] <ubptgbot> oversider_kosma was added by: oversider_kosma
[01:58] <ubptgbot> dantalian was added by: dantalian
 как поставить на телефон Meizu 5Pro?
 how to install Meizu 5Pro
 Depends on which one you have
[02:59] <ubptgbot> Nxrobin Leong was added by: Nxrobin Leong
[02:59] <ubptgbot> <Nxrobin Leong> not sure does it support for devices Huawei G525 ?
[07:03] <ubptgbot> Ampersant was added by: Ampersant
 @Nxrobin Leong, no
 Attention OPO Users: This guide will help you get MTP to work: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1015/howto-opo-fix-mtp-driver-permissions - And its a great example to see how complex the stuff is we got under the hood lol.
 Is there anyone who tried to install ubuntu touch in Panasonic Android phone???
 I want to remove Android from it
 https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome a link forConstantine, Makc, Nxrobin and Volodymyr. Check out our large number of Telegram groups in languages other than English
 Rahul.I am not optimistic for that device. I recommend that you check out Moto G2 Titan, which is a 'community supported' device. You should be able to locate one quite easily?
 It is good to have lots of people using the same device. It is easier then to solve problems which are device specific
[09:58] <ubptgbot> Charlie Carlos was added by: Charlie Carlos
 Hi Charlie! Please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @dohbee, What model is  BQ 5510? I can't find any info about it. Besides that name doesn't follow usual BQ's name convention
 Strikepower Max 4g. Doesn't seem like a genuine BQ at all?
 Bad because that brings genuine BQ into disrepute
 Yep, I found that mysterious model in Russian pages only
 we have a different company with name bq
 http://bq.ru/ - this is the fake one
 😳
 Insane hype on the specifications. Buyer beware 😂
 meizu 5pro
 how to install Meizu 5Pro
 @gennadii1981, https://devices.ubports.com/#/turbo
 @gennadii1981, [Edit] https://devices.ubports.com/#/turbo … Edit: see this also http://ubuntu-touch.io/device/turbo
[11:16] <ubptgbot> redshaman was added by: redshaman
 @redshaman, Valar morghulis. You can get up to speed here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @advocatux, Is the ubuntu-touch.io domain also owned by ubports?
 sure
 Yes it is
 @UniversalSuperBox Did you do anything special when testing the Kaidan click? Two other testers reported that it doesn't start, even with the build that already worked on your phone.
 [Edit] @UniversalSuperBox Did you do anything special for testing the Kaidan click? Two other testers reported that it doesn't start, even with the build that already worked on your phone.
 @neothethird, Why do you have two websites with different (but similar) content?
 because they are in the process of being re-designed
 Okay 👍
 :) Thanks for the iodate to Crazy Mark!
 @advocatux, Valar dohaeris. :) I actually wanted to port Ubuntu Touch for my device and need a good tutorial for it
 That's why joined this group
 What model?
 Oops, I need to go now. This is a good starting point for porting https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/ … More info here https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/
[12:58] <ubptgbot> LeoKor was added by: LeoKor
 @JBBgameich, Nope, just installed them on 16.04
 There is a bug in calculator
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/R06xIj9c.png
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/nELAA8xL.png
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/EjEd1JI2.png
 Hello LeoKo. To get up to speed look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[14:27] <ubptgbot> Izzan was added by: Izzan
 Hi Izzan. You can read about UBports on https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Sorry I'm new here just wondering if nexus 5 can run anbox?
 Not yet. There are some Qualcomm issues to resolve
 Experimental with Meizu Pro5 and BQ M10 tablet
 Got it, thanks 👌
 At the moment, getting 16.04 stable is priority 1, 2 and 3!
 I hope the development went well
 Now moving from a bit chaotic to serious testing
 Not ready for use yet. There for exploration and play though
 I think, I will try ubuntu 15.04 first then 😁
 @UniversalSuperBox in the last community update (or however you call it now) you said something about a book - can you please send me a link
 Yes!
 Let me find it
 Thank you 👍🤠
 https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/embedded-android-karim-yaghmour/1110854068
 This is the only place I can find it on sale
 (Not sponsored by B&N)
 Thank you :-)
 @Stereofont, Will you advise where to find correct instruction to implement it?
 @unknown, I also have a list of the pages I found most relevant and interesting for Halium porters if you want that
 @LeoKor, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 @UniversalSuperBox, I don't think that I will understand anything - but anyway...
 @Izzan, My advice is to try UBports 15.04, stable channel (OTA-3). Is way better
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/NOxJ0fX9.bin
 Well here it is anyway
 Thx
 @Waldbursche, Can you fill in a bug report? … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/bugreporting.html
 @advocatux, Ok, I will try it. Thanks
 👍
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks a lot!
 Are there some here who would benefit either from an Africa group or a Polish language group?  It seems that there is some potential for both
 PL +1 :)
 Any chance that an admin could pin this for a while?
 Thanks Dalton
 Hi, I have a Meizu PRO5 and I am tryin tu install UBports 15.04 … I have launched the command and connected the phone  with dev mode on, but nothin seems to happen... … How lon will it take to see things happening?
 [Edit] Hi, I have a Meizu PRO5 and I am trying to install UBports 15.04 … I have launched the command and connected the phone  with dev mode on, but nothin seems to happen... … How lon will it take to see things happening?
 [Edit] Hi, I have a Meizu PRO5 and I am trying to install UBports 15.04 … I have launched the command and connected the phone  with dev mode on, but nothing seems to happen... … How lon will it take to see things happening?
 @jaezcurraandroid, I recommend that you join Welcome & Install
 [Edit] Hi, I have a Meizu PRO5 and I am trying to install UBports 15.04 … I have launched the command and connected the phone  with dev mode on, but nothing seems to happen... … How long will it take to see things happening?
 How can I join them?
 Done
 Many thx 😊
[17:27] <ubptgbot> rharshit was added by: rharshit
 @rharshit, Hello Harshit. You can learn more about UBports by reading
 @rharshit, [Edit] Hello Harshit. You can learn more about UBports by reading  … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @UniversalSuperBox, This is a very good book and is transforming my understanding of Android.  There is also a three hour presentation on Youtube that Karim Yaghmour gave of this shortly before publication: … `https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtw7MVCFtZkTg93Ofr7KTusbSSauVu6bi` … Not having a background on Android in
[19:15] <ubptgbot> ternals, I found it useful to watch the overview before tackling the text, as it cleared up many questions I might otherwise have had and would not have seen answered for hundreds of pages.
 Unfortunately the second edition of the book was never published.
 And it's getting harder and harder to find the original. B&N is literally the only place that has it... unless you want to subscribe to Safari
 I tried installing a Hopper .apk on desktop Ubuntu with AMD64 architecture. No dice. But hope it works on ARM UT devices. Looking forward to getting flight price tracking back.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Quite a few sources on Abebooks, including India and UK. The price of some is stratospheric though
[20:34] <ubptgbot> Ultramenia was added by: Ultramenia
 @Ultramenia, Hi Martín, to get you started https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Many thanks
 Hey you, can we somehow implement a encrypted home?
 because if I want to use ubuntu touch as my daily phone it has to be in accordance with the new EU Data Protection regulation
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
 Basicaly this means any kind of sensible data of customers or memberlists etc. has to be on a encrypted storage
 chrisc has posted a method on the forum for encrypting the home directory.  This requires making changes to the rootfs, so it's not something that you could call supported, but if you're comfortable with the  command line - and with risk - you might want to take a look: … `https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1012/one-method-to-enc
[21:19] <ubptgbot> rypt-home-phablet`
 It will also require you to run commands after each boot to unlock the crypt and remount home.
 @nanu_c, It's already possible to encrypt the home, there's no GUI implementation yet, but it works iirc
 He has code on a website I linked from the above forum thread that shows how to encrypt /tmp randomly also.
 @trainailleur, oh, that's it
 you beated me on time ;)
 @trainailleur, One thing, putting links in backticks keeps them from being links
 Pop, sorry.
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1012/one-method-to-encrypt-home-phablet
 [Edit] Oops, sorry.
 Thanks a lot!
 [Edit] chrisc has posted a method on the forum for encrypting the home directory.  This requires making changes to the rootfs, so it's not something that you could call supported, but if you're comfortable with the  command line - and with risk - you might want to take a look: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1012/one-method-
[21:23] <ubptgbot> to-encrypt-home-phablet
 [Edit] Oops, sorry.  I corrected it.  Still have a lot to learn about Telegram.
 So could we make this an option for xenial :)?
 Hope it helps, but be careful and back up your data first.  Also, bear in mind that UBPorts updates by overwriting the rootfs, so any OS updates will blow away cryptsetup.
 Or so I understand (could be wrong).
 In general, I don't think it's advised to install stuff to the core OS, but I don't know of another way to do this.
 I think this is a feature that should be tackled sooner rather than later, but I don't know if there's anyone who can get it in with all the other stuff in the backlog and OTA-4
 I think it breaks libertine and chroot too
 at least, i can't use sbuild on my encrypted home on x86, so i presume the same issues exist there
 @nanu_c, i don't think GPDR is applicable to individuals though, is it?
 I had to sign to what extent I have access to personal data and to encrypt it
 GPDR Article 32
 ensure. (a)the pseudonymisation and encryption of personal data;
 This includes contact details in the phonebook
 Sorry to intrude but I'm curious as to what this is referring to if you're able to speak about it
 This are the new european  Data Protection Regulation coming to force at 25. May 2018
 @nanu_c, You are stating this in the context of a business, I presume?
 That's right
 So you're thinking here in terms of e.g. business contacts that you would have on your phone?
 i'm just clarifying whom exactly GPDR effects, as I don't want to see a big "oh noes we can't use ubuntu phone in europe after may" thing happening
 unfortunately though, if you need a phone that complies with GPDR, ubuntu touch is probably not an option right now
 the partition isn't encrypted, and you can't lock the bootloader
 the retail devices might be a bit better there, but still don't have encrypted data partition
 @dohbee, I dont think that any other Android or Apple phone withstands the directive also.  I cannot imagine the Eurpoean Parliament is targeting phones that are used by humans. They are targeting more or l
[23:06] <ubptgbot> ess data collection on servers and IT systems that are carryint sensitive private information. Normally a phone book is public and not sensitive. And who is keeping client files on their phones?
 @dohbee, [Edit] I dont think that any other Android or Apple phone withstands the directive also.  I cannot imagine the Eurpoean Parliament is targeting phones that are used by humans. They are targeting mo
[23:06] <ubptgbot> re or less data collection on servers and IT systems that are carryint sensitive private information. Normally a phone book is public and not sensitive. And who is keeping client files on their phones?
 @dohbee, [Edit] I dont think that any other Android or Apple phone withstands the directive also.  I cannot imagine the Eurpoean Parliament is targeting phones that are used by humans. They are targeting mo
[23:07] <ubptgbot> re or less data collection on servers and IT systems that are carrying sensitive private information. Normally a phone book is public and not sensitive. And who is keeping client files on their phones?
 @Flohack, Well, GPDR affects any device under the business. Not personal devices. But if you use same device for personal and business, it could be problematic I guess. Business devices shouldn't have external apps or data sync of contacts to unregulated services, I guess.
 To do so would mean leaking customer data.
 Sales people have customer data on phones, for sure, as an example.
 Depending on the size of your business, that sales person could be you, of course.
 :)
 At least on Ubuntu phones, apps can't read the entire contacts list so easily.
 also, naming things has become more difficult even


[00:19] <Unit193> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ the 19th?
[04:48] <flocculant> Unit193: I did catch a comment about failing iso builds - not had time to look any further - not just us apparently
[04:51] <Unit193> Nice..
[05:07] <flocculant> ubuntu, mate, budgie and us
[06:20] <Unit193> Pending: thunar, ristretto, xfdashboard, xfdesktop4, xfce4-settings, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin.
[06:25] <Unit193> flocculant: Oh, buttload of stuff in -proposed.
[08:13] <Unit193> I don't think xfdashboard will backport, but nabbed that too.
[08:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh btw, I left xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin (merge?) for you.
[08:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras/+build/15053898/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.xfdashboard_0.7.4-0ubuntu1~18.04_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:22] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin/0.4.1-1ubuntu1
[11:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: so... something missing for the xfdashboard build?
[11:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: Backports, only happens in Bionic and older.
[11:28] <bluesabre> So, nearly everything :)
[11:30] <Unit193> I...Did just a couple uploads yesterday. >_>
[11:30] <bluesabre> :D
[11:30] <bluesabre> Much appreciated
[11:32] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+uploaded-packages unfortunately, I still have the thunar and -panel transitions.
[11:33] <bluesabre> Way to go
[16:31] <flocculant> thanks Unit193
[16:31]  * flocculant grabs the stuffs