[13:48] <apw> stgraber, bug #1504781
[13:48] <ubot5`> bug 1504781 in lxc (Ubuntu) "lxc: test suites failing on trusty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1504781
[15:38] <stgraber> apw: commented
[16:43] <apw> stgraber, perfect thanks, pitti suggested he could get onto the box and find out what is running too, so i'll circle with him on monday to get that confirmed
[23:05] <stgraber> apw: cool. I've been unable to reproduce those hangs locally, so my best guess is that something we're trying to access is being blocked by a firewall. It could be a round-robin DNS record with only one of the records being allowed in the firewall, which would match the seemingly random behavior.


 @RazPi are you listening in on my conversation?
 @AdamOutler xD why have you been listening to it too?
 I was talking about hating all the Justin's when you posted that.  I was out with my wife and a Justin Timberlake song came on.
 View from my office today
 It's already snowing there???
 Today's the first day
 They say it should go back to sun tomorrow
 I had a fun drive making it to work today
 Dang
 Well, hopefully I'm able to make it there this year
 That's from my new apartment.
 Next weekend I'm getting dsl installed at my place. Gonna test it out.
 I feel like DSL is the old stuff.
 It is.
 But if it means no more disconnects I'll take it
 I've only had one major lost of internet so far since I got here in Denver.
 So just one time in over a year.
 I don't know what's up with my area.
 Comcast is dropping everytime I turn around.
 I think my modem may be to blame as well.
 I think it's too new


[06:18] <Mirv> repeating from yesterday, I'd wish for an archive admin to check https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-028/+sourcepub/5311965/+listing-archive-extra like they would if it would be in binNEW queue. packaging changes acked by a core-dev so just needs an approval from an archive admin to approve the new binaries that are listed at the top of https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/u
[06:19] <Mirv> buntu-landing-028-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/mir_packaging_changes.diff
[10:57] <Mirv> if the Mir can't be reviewed today, I hope it being in the landing PPA and NEW review requested here counts as same as if it would be in the queue, since otherwise after today we'll need to file FFe...
[12:35] <tjaalton> anyone to ack mesa (vivid) and mesa-lts-vivid (trusty) for me, urgent skylake bugfix there and don't want to push it through myself
[12:35] <tjaalton> there's an older sru still in progress, but it's fine to postpone that so that these go in -updates together
[14:28] <tkamppeter> There are many packages stuck in wily-proposed, like cups and cups-filters. They built correctly on all supported platforms but did not advance to the release for hours. What is happening here?
[14:31] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[14:31] <cjwatson> building everywhere is only one criterion
[14:31] <cjwatson> anyway, they just migrated it seems
[14:31] <cjwatson> so not stuck
[14:32] <tkamppeter> Traffic jam due to FF?
[14:32] <cjwatson> unlikely
[14:35] <cjwatson> in fact those packages were waiting for dbus to be ready, which needed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/1.9.20-1ubuntu2 - I suspect before that a bunch of tests were breaking
[14:36] <cjwatson> so business as usual, proposed-migration was holding back a set of things which would/could have been broken.  in future use the links from that wiki page to diagnose things first
[14:36] <tkamppeter> Thanks.
[14:37] <tkamppeter> hplip made it into the release now.
[16:28] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, deja-dup-caja has been in the wily new queue for some weeks now. Who can I talk to get it approved?
[16:29] <cjwatson> Somebody else on the archive team, I guess, I'm not doing NEW processing routinely
[16:32] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Is there a channel better suited for this? can you point me a someone please?
[16:32] <cjwatson> This is the right channel, I don't know what other people's schedules are like though
[16:34] <flexiondotorg> If someone could kindly review deja-dup-caja I would be most grateful.
[16:35] <Mirv> also the Mir binNEW-via-PPA please :)
[17:25] <Odd_Bloke> arges: Stop talking to Brad and accept the cloud-init uploads to proposed!
[17:54] <arges> Odd_Bloke: i'll take a look
[17:59] <Odd_Bloke> arges: :)
[18:34] <arges> Odd_Bloke: bug 1470890, bug 1470880, are these fixed in wily?
[18:35] <Odd_Bloke> arges: I thought so, but let me confirm.
[18:35] <Odd_Bloke> smoser does releases every so often.
[18:35] <Odd_Bloke> And releases to the beat of his own drum. :p
[18:36] <Odd_Bloke> arges: Yes, they are both fixed in wily.
[18:37] <Odd_Bloke> arges: I think I chose not to mark them as such because I couldn't add the older versions to the bug to keep tracking those...
[18:39] <arges> Odd_Bloke: ok i'll mark them as such
[18:49] <arges> Odd_Bloke: ok all done
[20:30] <Odd_Bloke> arges: You're the best, thanks!
[20:43] <infinity> bdmurray: Remind me if there's a way to see what error reports *I* have sent to errors.ubuntu.com?
[20:48] <bdmurray> infinity: you or a system of yours?
[20:48] <infinity> bdmurray: The latter, obviously, I realise the former is impossible.
[20:49] <bdmurray> http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id) <- something like that
[20:50] <bdmurray> infinity: ^
[20:50] <infinity> bdmurray: Excellent, now I just need a firefox plugin that expands $() in URIs.
[20:51] <infinity> ... as root, apparently.
[20:51] <infinity> That wouldn't be insecure AT ALL.
[20:52] <infinity> bdmurray: Okay, cool, thanks.  Just wanted to make sure my recent submissions were part of the large bucket that looked similar at a glance (and they are).
[20:53] <bdmurray> infinity: great
[21:56] <barry> infinity: are you still around?
[21:56] <infinity> barry: Depends who's asking.
[21:56] <barry> infinity: me, if you are, slangasek if you're not
[21:56] <infinity> barry: That wasn't a confusing response.  Perhaps more importantly, why are you asking? ;)
[21:57] <barry> infinity: any chance you could just ignore ubuntu-drivers-common for python3-defaults promotion?  it's the only blocker and it ftbfs for reasons i have no clue about.
[21:57] <infinity> barry: In wily?
[21:57] <barry> infinity: yep
[21:58] <barry> i'll file a bug on u-d-c
[22:00] <slangasek> infinity: 'firefox http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id)' works fine ;)
[22:00] <infinity> barry: Kay, I found an old autopkgtest result that shows ubuntu-drivers-common from the release pocket being happy with that version of py3-defaults, so that's fine by me.
[22:01] <barry> infinity: awesome, thanks.  and with that we should finally have py35 as supported.  slangasek ^^
[22:01] <slangasek> barry: huzzah
[22:02] <barry> just in time for feature freeze eh?
[22:02] <infinity> barry: Committed.
[22:02] <barry> infinity: thanks!
[22:04] <infinity> slangasek: PS, I'm going to need an FFe for glibc 2.22, since I probably don't have the time to rebase, test, and upload today. :P
[22:04] <slangasek> infinity: do you have it in git yet?  I bet you could do it if everything was in git
[22:05] <infinity> slangasek: I'm pretty sure that wouldn't help.
[22:05] <slangasek> infinity: tests always happen faster for packages that are in git
[22:05] <infinity> slangasek: Last I checked, git only magically applies commits that already apply, it doesn't have AI.
[22:05] <rbasak> infinity: I have a merge pending review/sponsorship. It's amavisd-new. Didn't manage to finish reviewing it today as it's non-trivial. Mind if I upload it tomorrow, given that the sponsoree has submitted it already? Or do we consider FF hard for sponsorees at upload time?
[22:05] <infinity> rbasak: Late and correct is better than rushing to meet a deadline.
[22:06] <rbasak> infinity: OK, thanks.
[22:06] <barry> infinity: i'll use that when i ffe django 1.8 to work with py3.5 ;/
[22:06] <infinity> barry: There's nothing correct about cjango.
[22:06] <infinity> d...
[22:08] <barry> you had me at cjango
[22:08] <slangasek> infinity: why did denneed04 just fail to find packages on the internal mirror? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pdf2djvu/0.7.21-2ubuntu1/+build/7822488
[22:09] <infinity> slangasek: I have no idea.
[22:09] <infinity> That should never happen.  Ever.
[22:09]  * infinity scratches his head.
[22:10] <slangasek> infinity: that's why I'm raising it to you
[22:10] <slangasek> ok wow, there's an interesting architecture-dependent test failure? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/215154439/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-ppc64el.cuneiform_1.1.0%2Bdfsg-5build2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:10] <infinity> slangasek: Wat.  That debhelper version was overridden in the release pocket a week ago.
[22:11] <slangasek> "overridden"?
[22:11] <infinity> slangasek: Superseded.
[22:11] <slangasek> mmk
[22:11]  * infinity checks ftpmaster...
[22:12] <infinity> Err http://ftpmaster.internal wily Release
[22:12] <infinity> Oh.
[22:12] <infinity> That's why.
[22:12] <slangasek> oh hey, that cuneiform build has been broken since 2011. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cuneiform/+bug/791305
[22:12] <infinity> slangasek: Okay, nothing to see here, just retry the build.
[22:13] <infinity> slangasek: It hit the race where Releases is downloaded before the dists switch and Packages after.
[22:13] <slangasek> grr
[22:13] <infinity> slangasek: The race fixed in apt 1.1 with hashed Releases.
[22:13] <slangasek> right
[22:13]  * slangasek syncs apt from experimental
[22:13] <slangasek> problem solved
[22:13] <infinity> slangasek: Hence why you had an apt source from a week ago (the one in the chroot already).
[22:14] <infinity> slangasek: I guess the error would be more obvious if I deleted /var/lib/apt/lists entirely from devel chroots.
[22:14] <infinity> I keep it in stable ones to save bandwidth/time, since the release pocket never changes.
[23:37] <cjwatson> oh hai, the release schedule says we should stop auto-syncing now
[23:37]  * cjwatson adds --dry-run to crontab
[23:42] <bluesabre> cjwatson: don't suppose you could add shimmer-themes back to the xubuntu packageset? It keeps getting pulled into kubuntu by a recommends in breeze
[23:43] <cjwatson> bluesabre: can't, you need to ask somebody in ~developer-membership-board
[23:43] <cjwatson> not been in my wheelhouse for a couple of years
[23:43] <bluesabre> :)
[23:44] <bluesabre> thought I'd try to grab you since I saw you, I'll bug micahg some more ;)
[23:44] <bluesabre> bbiab
[23:45] <cjwatson> anyone in https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members should be able to sort that kind of thing out
[23:46] <Ukikie> Something cjwatson isn't in control of? :3
[23:46] <cjwatson> hey, in recent years I've been trying to decrease my load :P
[23:48] <Ukikie> So they gave you Launchpad. :)
[23:50] <cjwatson> That was in exchange for stopping doing other stuff :)
[23:51] <cjwatson> (Quite explicitly; I was burning out)
[23:52] <Ukikie> That's always rough.


[00:51] <vorlon> cross-toolchain-base built; retrying all the glibc-triggered i386 autopkgtest failures now
[02:01] <blackboxsw> RAOF: I think we missed sil2100 today on SRU review but wanted to give you a heads up that we'll probably be pinging tomorrow about Xenial, Bionic and Focal review for cloud-init version 20.3.-2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1893064
[02:02] <RAOF> blackboxsw: Ok. Is this something you'd prefer me to look at today?
[02:02]  * RAOF is not guaranteeing anything at this point.
[02:03] <blackboxsw> we'd ♥a review whenever time permits :). But yes figured I'd ping early as cloud-init reviews tend to be meaty
[02:03] <blackboxsw> and didn't want to go through until Wednesday US if we could avoid it
[02:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (xenial-proposed/main) [1:16.04.30 => 1:16.04.31] (core)
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: scilab (bionic-proposed/universe) [6.0.1-7ubuntu1~18.04.1 => 6.0.2-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[03:35] <tjaalton> RAOF: hey, could you check bionic:xorg-server and focal:alsa-ucm-conf from the respective queues if possible, thanks!
[03:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [5.8.0-1003.3]
[04:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: scilab (focal-proposed/universe) [6.1.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu3 => 6.1.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[05:26] <RAOF> tjaalton: Huh. xorg-server appears to have been superceded by a security upload, sorry.
[05:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected xorg-server [source] (bionic-proposed) [2:1.19.6-1ubuntu4.6]
[05:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted alsa-ucm-conf [source] (focal-proposed) [1.2.2-1ubuntu0.3]
[05:48] <tjaalton> RAOF: huh indeed
[05:49] <tjaalton> I'll fix that in a bit
[06:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xorg-server (bionic-proposed/main) [2:1.19.6-1ubuntu4.6 => 2:1.19.6-1ubuntu4.7] (desktop-core, xorg)
[06:42] <tjaalton> RAOF: thanks for the reviews so far, and if you're still around, the new xorg-server is now on the queue
[07:18] <cpaelzer> vorlon: thanks for your check of the bionic portion of the systemd test hints
[07:18] <cpaelzer> vorlon: I have replied on the bug but agree for now (also there is less blocked on it atm)
[07:19] <cpaelzer> but I have rechecked focal and it hasn't improved at all
[07:19] <cpaelzer> also rbalint gave his +1 on the MP (thanks!)
[07:19] <cpaelzer> and merging it will give ddstreet soem time to prep an upload
[07:19] <cpaelzer> I ahve updated https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-focal-disable-systemd/+merge/390005 summing that up
[07:19] <cpaelzer> and look for an SRU team member to consider merging this one now
[07:19] <cpaelzer> anyone around?
[07:20] <cpaelzer> at this time maybe rbasak RAOF tjaalton ^^ ?
[07:21] <cpaelzer> rbalint: and for 1895576 I'll do some retries if we can reproduce the result you've seen for glibc/cryptsetup or if it was a one off
[07:21] <cpaelzer> hopefulyl we know a bit more when you are back on
[07:25] <vorlon> doko: hmm so, Broken libc6-dev-i386-cross:amd64 Depends on rpcsvc-proto-i386-cross:amd64
[07:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony-extensions [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[07:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony-extensions [armhf] (groovy-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[07:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony-extensions [riscv64] (groovy-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[07:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony-extensions [arm64] (groovy-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[07:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony-extensions [s390x] (groovy-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[07:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony-extensions [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[07:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xorg-server [source] (bionic-proposed) [2:1.19.6-1ubuntu4.7]
[08:10] <cpaelzer> vorlon: doko: there are more such dependency issues
[08:10] <cpaelzer> I was just about to file a bug, did you already open one vorlon?
[08:11] <cpaelzer> essentially all libc6-*-cross fail for libnss-nis-*-cross and libnss-nisplus-*-cross
[08:13] <cpaelzer> vorlon: and for your finding with rpcsvc for example we also have libc6.1-dev-alpha-cross->rpcsvc-proto-alpha-cross
[08:28] <cpaelzer> vorlon: doko: filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cross-toolchain-base-ports/+bug/1895632
[08:28] <cpaelzer> since it is tightly coupled to glibc also rbalint ^^ FYI
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ublock-origin [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.29.0+dfsg-2] (no packageset)
[08:31] <LocutusOfBorg> ^^ this one fixes firefox 80 incompatibility
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg> and splits the package in two, one for firefox and one for chromium
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1025.25~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[12:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-1025.25~18.04.1]
[14:10] <falcojr> RAOF: Not sure if you saw the message yesterday, but we have an SRU queued for cloud-init for focal, bionic, and xenial that needs review per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1893064
[14:22] <icey> hey coreycb - regarding getting something that would have failed dnspython into autopkgtests, designate hard-failed on building the package with the new one
[14:24] <coreycb> icey: unit tests hard failed right?
[14:24] <rbalint> ubuntu-archive dazzdb is buggy and with glibc 2.32 it becomes broken, but its reverse dependency, hinge is not LP: #1895685
[14:25] <icey> coreycb: yeah - https://git.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/ubuntu/+source/designate/commit/?id=9c18a35de46329a45426888528965bd590140d29 has a good example of the bits that failed - I think there were 7 unit test failures
[14:26] <rbalint> ubuntu-archive i'd like to ask demoting dazzdb and reverse deps to groovy-proposed to let glibc in, dazzdb can also be dropped fully
[14:26] <coreycb> icey: ok probably a good candidate to start with then with autopkgtest unit tests
[14:27] <icey> coreycb: but those don't actually hit the eventlet failures :-/ just the designate ones
[14:27] <coreycb> icey: right.. I'm sure we'd catch the eventlet failures if we enable unit tests elsewhere, maybe nova
[14:28] <coreycb> icey: it doesn't all have to get done now but if we can get a couple done that would be great
[15:06] <blackboxsw> hello SRU vanguards: we have an unapproved upload for cloud-utils queued for xenial with a couple of upstream cherry-picks to better support overlayfs for to unblock cloud image builds https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=cloud-utils
[15:50] <rbalint> RAOF, bdmurray, could you please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-focal-disable-systemd/+merge/390005 for glibc and other packages?
[15:52] <bdmurray> rbalint: its in my queue to look at shortly
[15:52] <rbalint> bdmurray, thanks!
[16:19] <bdmurray> Could some archive admin remove xfce4-weather-plugin from xenial-proposed? The bug its supposed to fix hasn't been verified in forevah.
[16:37] <bdmurray> rbalint, cpaelzer: force-reset-test feels like a big hammer - couldn't we just ust force-badtest with the intent of fixing the tests in the next systemd upload?
[16:43] <rbalint> bdmurray, cpaelzer i'm ok either way
[16:43] <bdmurray> okay, I'll just do that then
[17:30] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: I'm ok either way as well, it is just that we had quite a history of failing tests - so "waiting until one works" felt better
[17:30] <cpaelzer> but either way works
[17:41] <bdmurray> By using force-badtest we will be forced to deal with it again with the next systemd SRU rather than punting the ball very far down the line (or some other sports analogy)
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted freeipmi [source] (focal-proposed) [1.6.4-3ubuntu1.1]
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted networking-arista [source] (focal-proposed) [2019.2.3-0ubuntu1]
[18:36] <bdmurray> bryce: bug 1890751 is missing SRU information
[18:42] <bryce> bdmurray, ok.  Any others from that MP I missed?
[18:42] <bdmurray> bryce: No, and I'm gonna let it through because I'm sure its like all the rest but please fix it up.
[18:43] <bdmurray> And what happened to patch 0016? why is it hiding?
[18:43] <bryce> bdmurray, thanks, and yeah doing so presently.  And yes, it's the same as the others, just different log message
[18:43] <bdmurray> I could understand skipping 13...
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted logwatch [source] (focal-proposed) [7.5.2-1ubuntu1.1]
[18:44] <bryce> bdmurray, when we upstreamed that one, upstream raised some questions that will need further investigation so we dropped it for now
[18:45] <bdmurray> Oh, heh there's a legitmate reason!
[18:45] <bryce> bdmurray, if you also do the bionic and xenial SRUs you'll note some patches are omitted, those are because the issue they address aren't present on those ubuntu releases.
[18:46] <bdmurray> I was kind of joking it just made checking debian/patches/series a bit weird.
[18:46] <bryce> bdmurray, yeah we got some good review feedback from the server team on the logwatch/apparmor stuff, so some patches changed a fair bit during review, and 0016 was part of that
[18:47] <bryce> er, s/server team/security team/
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted logwatch [source] (bionic-proposed) [7.4.3+git20161207-2ubuntu1.2]
[18:58] <bryce> bdmurray, sru text filled in
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted logwatch [source] (xenial-proposed) [7.4.2-1ubuntu1.1]
[20:00] <bdmurray> jamespage: Did you mean to remove .gitignore in your openvswitch upload for SRU to focal? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/497025192/openvswitch_2.13.0-0ubuntu1_2.13.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.diff.gz
[20:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libvirt [source] (focal-proposed) [6.0.0-0ubuntu8.4]
[20:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted php7.4 [source] (focal-proposed) [7.4.3-4ubuntu2.3]
[21:06] <vorlon> rbalint: curiously, dazzdb also lists a number of reverse-testsuite-triggers
[21:06] <vorlon> rbalint: I guess those tests are going to want hinting at some point
[21:09] <vorlon> doko_: are you going to be working on LP: #1895632? since it's critical path for glibc 2.32
[21:12] <doko_> vorlon: would you mind checking uploads before these pings?
[21:14] <vorlon> doko_: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html doesn't list any newer versions since yesterday and there were no comments on the bug or here
[21:14] <vorlon> so I guess I should've pinged 25 minutes earlier
[21:14] <doko_> "checking uploads"
[21:15] <doko_> and yes, it's way after EOD, so please go away
[21:40] <vorlon> mwhudson_: fwiw for things like acpica-unix, I consider the existence of a testing-blocking RC bug that is going to require sourceful changes to fix, as sufficient reason to remove the package from -proposed
[21:40] <mwhudson_> vorlon: ok
[21:41] <mwhudson_> that makes sense
[21:42] <vorlon> "but the test suite blows up because it
[21:42] <vorlon> has more color names to choose from"
[21:44] <mwhudson> is that the perl color stuff?
[21:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected rpi-eeprom [source] (focal-proposed) [7.8-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[21:45] <vorlon> mwhudson: yh
[21:45] <vorlon> a
[21:55] <vorlon> bdmurray: why does xfce4-weather-plugin not show up as a removal candidate on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html#cleanup ?
[21:57] <bdmurray> :-(
[21:57] <bdmurray> I don't know - systemtap is missing too
[22:02] <ahasenack> is there a blanket replacement of glibc's rpc to libtirpc going on, or just on a case by cases basis?
[22:02] <bdmurray> vorlon: oh its because there are messages after the "verification still needed" comment but looking at them tehy aren't helpful
[22:03] <vorlon> bdmurray: should we fix the script to not do that?
[22:03] <ahasenack> squid builds a NIS auth helper, which relies on rpc.h. Looks like it can build with tirpc just fine, just needs some autoconf hackery. Or I could take the opportunity and disable NIS
[22:03] <vorlon> ahasenack: I don't think a blanket replacement is in progress; I guess the number of cases should be small
[22:03] <bdmurray> vorlon: No, its possible somebody verified it after the final call for testing but didn't know how to edit the tags.
[22:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cross-toolchain-base-mipsen (focal-proposed/universe) [7ubuntu2 => 11ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[22:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cross-toolchain-base-mipsen [source] (focal-proposed) [11ubuntu1]
[22:48] <blackboxsw> RAOF: Just a friendly neighborhood SRU review request if there is time today for cloud-init SRU into X, B and F https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1893064
[22:50] <RAOF> Yup! I'll get to it this morning.


 and I'm trying to console into linux via putty
[01:44] <bazhang> 'console into'
[02:16] <Flannel> That's accurate enough
[02:42] <k1l> newtonius> send nudes
[21:47] <Menzador> @comment 75474 Bad language directed at joke comment 24hours


[00:10] <DarkwingDuck> YAY! Member!
[00:10] <pedro3005> DarkwingDuck, ubuntu member?
[00:10] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> Well, via Kubuntu but yes. I was just voted as a Kubuntu/Ubuntu member
[00:11] <pedro3005> DarkwingDuck, congratulations
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks
[00:12] <Bodsda> congrats DarkwingDuck
[02:36] <nomadhacker> hello there.  Having some issues with booting windows 7 along with Ubuntu.  It's loading grub just fine, and Ubuntu loads, but when I choose the Windows 7 option, the loading splash for windows shows, then suddenly reboots.
[02:38] <nomadhacker> It seems to be specific to Ubuntu's grub.  I had tried 9.10 and had the issue continuously, so I installed fedora and no problems.  Now I've installed 10.04, and it worked at first, but now suddenly I'm back to windows rebooting on startup.
[02:39] <nomadhacker> tried repairing windows boot with bootrec /fixboot, to no result
[02:39] <nomadhacker> obviously don't want to fixmbr
[02:44] <mohi1> nomadhacker, you done anything in the boot menu? i mean grub file(grub.cfg)??
[02:44] <nomadhacker> I had made windows the default with 5 second timeout.  It had been working until just today.
[02:46] <mohi1> you have the backup of your grub.cfg??
[02:46] <nomadhacker> nope.
[02:47] <nomadhacker> It had been working for the last week or so since I installed 10.04 with windows as the default.
[03:09] <nomadhacker> Thanks to mohi!  Just rebooted into Windows.
[05:11] <nhasian> hello everyone
[05:12] <DarkwingDuck> Greetings
[06:49] <smee2> hi
[06:52] <smee2> after learning some basics on linux, like getting around the os and learning some basic commands, what topic would you suggest I look into next
[06:53] <smee2> i followed some tutorials, but they started getting into networks and servers, which i know nothing about.  i thought i should put that on hold for a while
[07:33] <paultag> nhandler, is there a channel mode +u ?
[08:39] <tenach> Bodsda, ping
[09:53] <st4aluck> lukjad86: I went to the shop and it'll cost me 7 euro to install the software :))))
[10:04] <st4aluck> lukjad86: I went to the shop and it'll cost me 7 euro to install the software for the router:))))
[10:14] <st4aluck> lukjad86: hey, I am verry happy!!!!!!:)))))))))
[10:14] <pedro3005> st4aluck, :))))))))))))))))))))
[10:15] <st4aluck> pedro3005: Yeah, I have to pay only 7 euro and my router will work again
[10:16] <pedro3005> st4aluck, that is good
[10:17] <st4aluck> pedro3005: Idon't know if it is possible to pre-install the software on the router by myselfe!?!?
[10:18] <pedro3005> st4aluck, neither do I
[10:20] <st4aluck> pedro3005: the only access to it is trough firefox, but if the build in DNS is fucked you can't access it
[10:23] <st4aluck> pedro3005: my sister gave it to me. She said she bought new because this doesn't work.:::))) It's 77 euro:)
[10:25] <pedro3005> st4aluck, well, good luck :D
[10:25] <st4aluck> pedro3005: still don't know what to do with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[10:37] <st4aluck> pedro3005: Can you comment something about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[10:38] <pedro3005> st4aluck, hm, don't know much
[10:38] <pedro3005> sorry D:
[10:42] <st4aluck> pedro3005: Man, I am so desperate!!! May be I have to go back to 8.04 because of this problem
[10:42] <pedro3005> st4aluck, ask ibuclaw, he's the man!
[10:45] <st4aluck> pedro3005: does he stays in thise chat?
[10:45] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[11:01] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, what's the specs?
[11:03] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: what do you mean?
[11:03] <ibuclaw> motherboard, manufacturer. :)
[11:03] <ibuclaw> or simply the desktop/laptop name
[11:04] <ibuclaw> oh, wait, just read your post
[11:04] <st4aluck> Thoshiba A205-4567S
[11:04] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, does it boot / work properly if you boot from Battery?
[11:05] <ibuclaw> that is *not* connected to AC
[11:05] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: it work properly only on 8.04
[11:06] <st4aluck> I said that I made test with live CD of Knoppix and Hardy
[11:07] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: On Knoppix loads and freezes but Hardy no prb
[11:10] <ibuclaw> mkay
[11:12] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, are you on the affected system now?
[11:15] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: yes, but I can change to another hard drive
[11:15] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: ....and install on it what ever you tell me
[11:16] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, nah, just need to test 2 things
[11:16] <st4aluck> ok
[11:16] <ibuclaw> if you open a terminal :)
[11:16] <ibuclaw> firstly, fake that you are switching to battery.
[11:17] <ibuclaw> sudo acpi_fakekey 236
[11:17] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, if all is fine afterwards, then test powersave.
[11:17] <st4aluck> wait
[11:17] <ibuclaw> sudo pm-powersave true
[11:18] <ibuclaw> if your system is still running, can mostly rule out acpi.
[11:20] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: shall I turn on battery now?
[11:21] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, nah, those tests were just to see if it's a userspace issue. (the interface above the kernel).
[11:22] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: so?
[11:23] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: it's not
[11:23] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, open up grub configuration and add "noacpi" as an option.
[11:24] <ibuclaw> gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[11:24] <st4aluck> does it mean it the kernel issue as I tought
[11:24] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, a regression, probably, yes.
[11:24] <ibuclaw> in that file, you should see a "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" line.
[11:24] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: done
[11:25] <allencch> hello, i have downloaded ubuntu desktop dvd, and i have already installed Ubuntu with english. may i know how to install other language support through DVD?
[11:25] <st4aluck> I made thise before
[11:25] <ibuclaw> =)
[11:25] <ibuclaw> sudo update-grub
[11:25] <st4aluck> it's already made to show the boot loader
[11:26] <ibuclaw> then reboot, login, and *then* try removing the AC power cable
[11:26] <ibuclaw> kk :)
[11:26] <st4aluck> ok
[11:26] <st4aluck> bye
[11:28] <ibuclaw> allencch, if you are connected to the net, you can get language-support packages through the repository
[11:28] <allencch> is there anyway to install offline, such as using DVD?
[11:29] <ibuclaw> allencch, hmm, what's on the DVD contents?
[11:29] <allencch> the DVD iso downloaded from ubuntu website
[11:33] <ibuclaw> allencch, hmm, maybe I'm blind, but I wasn't aware of a DVD available for download from the site (nor was I aware of one).
[11:33] <allencch> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#dvd
[11:34] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: it freezes at the moment I have to load into my account
[11:34] <allencch> ibuclaw, it is linked to other server
[11:35] <ibuclaw> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/release/
[11:35] <ibuclaw> :)
[11:35] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: it freezes at the moment I have to load into my account
[11:38] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: ha, new update kernel on Lucid
[11:40] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, ? :)
[11:40] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: new 32-28
[11:40] <st4aluck> 32-18
[11:42] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: I tried to boot on battery but it freezes at the moment I had to load into my account!?!?
[11:43] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: there is a new kernel update to 32-18 it was 32-17
[11:43] <ibuclaw> oic
[11:43] <ibuclaw> allencch, if you insert the DVD and browse it's contents, what do you see?
[11:44] <allencch> the DVD is just similar to the CD version, only the squash fs is about 1.2 G
[11:47] <ibuclaw> I was more interested in if there is a "pool" directory
[11:47] <ibuclaw> if so, check that under "l" or "la"
[11:49] <allencch> ibuclaw, pool contains "main" and "restricted"
[11:50] <ibuclaw> allencch, check under main
[11:50] <allencch> inside main got "l", and in "l" got a lot of "language-pack*"
[11:50] <ibuclaw> allencch, there you go then =)
[11:51] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, if you can figure out which was the last working kernel, check the change, try raising a bug report with your findings.
[11:51] <allencch> ibuclaw, then how do i install? i want to install chinese language and scim input. is it using the "deb" files?
[11:52] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: How it has to be? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[11:52] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, that is the default, yes
[11:52] <ibuclaw> oh, noacpi?
[11:52] <ibuclaw> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash noacpi"
[11:52] <st4aluck> like that?
[11:53] <ibuclaw> well, it doesn't matter on the order
[11:53] <ibuclaw> so long as it is within the quotes
[11:53] <ibuclaw> after saving, run:
[11:53] <ibuclaw> sudo update-grub
[11:53] <st4aluck> ok
[11:53] <ibuclaw> to generate a new grub.cfg file for boot
[11:54] <allencch> ibuclaw, okay, i know the solution, it is using dpkg
[11:55] <allencch> ibuclaw, thanks for your help. FYI, the DVD image doesn't have the language I want. hahaha.
[11:55] <ibuclaw> allencch, gdebi should be installed =)
[11:55] <ibuclaw> that allows you to double click on the debs to install
[11:56] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: still downlading the updates:(
[11:56] <ibuclaw> allencch, being connected to the net is so much easier though when installing packages.
[11:57] <st4aluck> then I will reboot
[11:57] <allencch> but internet connection is not very fast and not always available in my area.
[11:57] <ibuclaw> because of the ... fragmented way they are maintained.
[11:58] <lukjad86> st4aluck Hey, that's great!
[11:59] <st4aluck> lukjad86: haha, I am happy with  the router...after 2-3 hours I'll have it back
[12:00] <lukjad86> Good for you!
[12:00] <st4aluck> 77 euro, uh!!!
[12:01] <st4aluck> I can connect 64 computers with it
[12:02] <st4aluck> lukjad86: still trying to fix the battery problem
[12:02] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/447104
[12:02] <ibuclaw> broken wireless drivers strikes again.
[12:03] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, another test is to disable network manager from autostarting =)
[12:04] <allencch> thanks, bye
[12:05] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: Are you talking about the battery mode
[12:06] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: I did read it yet
[12:06] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: I didn't read it yet
[12:07] <st4aluck> how to disable the network manager and do you think it'll help
[12:08] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, I *think* it is in System->Preferences->Startup Apps
[12:09] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: Sorry I'll be back in few minutes..... have to kill the snake:)))
[12:09] <ibuclaw> ;
[12:16] <st4aluck> wow
[12:22] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: do you mean startup services?
[12:28] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, is Network Manager listed ?
[12:29] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: no but there is a powerdevil deamon
[12:29] <ibuclaw> never heard of it. :)
[12:30] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: did you read the article?
[12:31] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: the bug is the same
[12:32] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: log-in screen.
[12:32] <st4aluck> after logging in, I HAVE TO KILL THE NM-APPLET BEFORE IT'S CONNECTED.
[12:32] <st4aluck> this will make my laptop run stable on battery power, pulling out the adapter when the system is booted still ends up with a frozen PC
[12:33] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, preventing nm-applet from starting full stop will prevent you having to do that.
[12:33] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: that was the last comment
[12:34] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: now there is a new kernel... let me reboot to see,uh?
[12:34] <st4aluck> just upgradet
[12:35] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, sure, go ahead
[12:35] <st4aluck> bye
[12:36] <lukjad86> ibuclaw Is there a way to sync my computer's time with a server? It seems to be off by several minutes
[12:45] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: it got frozen while loading the kernel
[12:49] <ibuclaw> oh joy :)
[12:49] <ibuclaw> does the same happen when starting recovery mode -> selecting resume?
[12:51] <ibuclaw> also, a pastebin of /var/log/messages may prove useful insight
[12:56] <st4aluck> ibuclaw:  did you see that?..... edit: 12-02-10 the LINUX-2.6.31-18-kernell solves the problem on my pc
[12:57] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: Can I run LINUX-2.6.31-18-kernell on Lucid?
[12:57] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: that guy says it solved the problem
[13:13] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: Can I run LINUX-2.6.31-18-kernell on Lucid? The guy sais it fixed the problem with the battery. ( edit: 12-02-10 the LINUX-2.6.31-18-kernell solves the problem on my pc)
[13:14] <ibuclaw> st4aluck, can't see why not.
[13:15] <st4aluck> can you pls help me from where to download it?
[13:16] <ibuclaw> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-image-2.6.31-20-generic
[13:16] <st4aluck> 10x
[13:19] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: this is 31-20 which makes the same problems I need 31-18
[13:20] <ibuclaw> oh?
[13:27] <st4aluck> ibuclaw: see this in sinaptic! Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on Ingo Molnar's full real time preemption patch
[14:17] <nhandler> paultag: There is no +u channel mode. There used to be a +u user mode though
[15:34] <paultag> nhandler, awww
[15:34] <nhandler> What were you trying to do paultag ?
[15:34] <paultag> nhandler, because the chan flags by default are "Cnt"
[15:34] <nhandler> :)
[15:34] <paultag> hahaha :)
[21:00] <lorn_> So I'm about as new as one can get to linux based systems and ubuntu....I seem to be incapable of figuring out how to unzip my downloads.
[21:00] <lorn_> The archive manager says they're not zip files, so I tried 7zip and that isn't working either :/
[21:03] <nhandler> lorn_: What are the downloads?
[21:05] <fine_line> Ha's anyone  a favourite C++ compiler and IDE ( Netbeans/Code::Blocks) for Lucid
[21:06] <pedro3005> fine_line, well.. I always use g++ as a compiler
[21:07] <fine_line> is that better than Borland ?
[21:07] <lorn_> Sorry had a phone call
[21:08] <lorn_> the downloads are diablo 2 from battle.net installers
[21:09] <lorn_> Error: /home/lorn/Desktop/Downloader_Diablo2_enUS.exe: Can not open file as archive
[21:10] <fine_line> quit
[21:10] <nhandler> lorn_: You will not be able to run that in Ubuntu. It might work with wine, but I'm not sure
[21:10] <lorn_> I see
[21:11] <lorn_> but normal zip files should just work then, eh?
[21:11] <lorn_> ill try it
[21:13] <nhandler> Zip files are just an archive. You will be able to extract them in Ubuntu, but you might not be able to run what is actually inside them
[21:19] <lorn_> awesome, wine is working for the unzip
[21:20] <lorn_> Thanks guys, I was convinced I had somehow saved the archives wrong or something :)
[21:20] <freezeloud> lorn_: diablo 2 works just fine under wine
[21:20] <nhandler> Uh, you don't need wine to unzip a .zip file.
[21:27] <lorn_> I needed it to unzip the diablo 2 installer
[21:29] <lorn_> file share
[21:29] <lorn_> mt
[21:30] <freezeloud> lorn_: ubuntu handles archives well, if installer was an exe self-extracting archive it is windows stuff so you need wine or windows to run it
[21:30] <lorn_> Yessir I understand that now, didn't realize it was a windows compatability thing
[21:31] <freezeloud> lorn_: yop srry :)
[21:31] <lorn_> What would be the best way to set up quick file sharing from computers on the same router
[21:31] <lorn_> My brother is still running windows, not sure if that matters
[21:32] <pedro3005> Eh, brothers and their windows
[21:32] <pedro3005> I know how you feel!
[21:32] <lorn_> haha
[21:33] <lorn_> one of these guides says to use network manager but I can't find it for the life of me
[21:34] <lorn_> and I'm not familiar enough with th console to know how to type commands yet :/
[21:35] <pedro3005> lorn_, you'd use samba
[21:37] <lorn_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[21:38] <lorn_> Don't see much else open
[21:38] <lorn_> that was through terminal though
[21:38] <pedro3005> lorn_, do you have software center or synaptic open?
[21:39] <lorn_> oh there it is, an update manager running minimzed where I didn't expect
[21:39] <lorn_> on the left
[21:39] <pedro3005> close it
[21:40] <lorn_> it's mid updating atm, should I cancel and update later?
[21:42] <pedro3005> lorn_, either that or wait until it's done
[21:43] <AJH101> Hello I would like to back up my Home folder before a clean install of Lucid BUT I want to ensure all my emails and accounts are in there first. I have searched but cannot find them - can you help please?
[21:44] <lorn_> alright its installing now
[21:44] <nhandler> AJH101: They are probably in a hidden folder. If you are using nautilus, hit Ctrl+H to view hidden folders
[21:44] <lorn_> samba is
[21:46] <AJH101> nhandler: thank you! I am a lot more comfortable now - thanks
[21:46] <nhandler> :)
[21:49] <lorn_> alright sambas installed now
[21:51] <lorn_> What do I do with samba, pedro3005?
[21:51] <fine_line> quit
[21:56] <pedro3005> lorn_, sorry, back. now, on network, can you find the windows pc?
[21:58] <lorn_> okay where is network
[21:58] <lorn_> been trying to find samba after install
[21:58] <pedro3005> lorn_, Places > Network
[21:58] <lorn_> yes, it sees the windows pc
[21:58] <lorn_> the pc and "windows network"
[23:54] <running_rabbit07> Can someone please help with this thread? The OP was installing a program for GPS and had a power outage. Now his sources list seems to be screwed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9052215#post9052215


[01:14] <fijam> Hmm. "Your message to ubuntu-doc awaits moderator approval" Apparently the patch was too big.
[01:14] <fijam> see you tomorrow
[08:50] <mdke> good morning
[09:00] <mdke> bhuvan: there are a couple of patches outstanding on the serverguide, do you have ny time to review them?
[09:00] <bhuvan> sure mdke
[09:00] <mdke> awesome
[09:09] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4342 generic/serverguide/C/web-servers.xml:
[09:09] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/serverguide/C/web-servers.xml
[09:09] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Change the PHP5 package name for running php scripts from command line.
[09:09] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Patch by: Adam Sommer
[09:09] <mdke> that's the stuff!
[09:17] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4343 generic/server/C/mail.xml:
[09:17] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/mail.xml
[09:17] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Update for postfix section. Add sudo for all postconf commands.
[09:17] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Patch by: Adam Sommer
[09:21] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4344 generic/server/C/web-servers.xml:
[09:21] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/web-servers.xml
[09:21] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Fix a typo.
[09:21] <mdke> nice work bhuvan
[09:22] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4345 generic/serverguide/C/mail.xml:
[09:22] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/serverguide/C/mail.xml
[09:22] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Update the fix for postfix section in serverguide version.
[09:22] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Patch by: Adam Sommer
[09:22] <bhuvan> np mdke!
[09:37] <mdke> I think we've done a decent job this release cycle
[10:38] <mpt> And three cheers for mdke
[03:47] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4346 generic/server/C/vcs.xml:
[03:47] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/vcs.xml
[03:47] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Include instructions for svn import command. Few more minor tweaks.
[03:47] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Patch by: Adam Sommer
[03:50] <bhuvan> svn commit takes so much time again. i got my email, i got irc notification, but my 'svn commit' command did not return even after 3mins!
[03:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4347 generic/server/C/vcs.xml:
[03:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/vcs.xml
[03:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Include link for bazaar and launchpad websites.
[04:00] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4348 generic/server/C/package-management.xml:
[04:00] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/package-management.xml
[04:00] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Sync it with the serverguide version.
[04:01] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4349 generic/serverguide/C/vcs.xml:
[04:01] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/serverguide/C/vcs.xml
[04:01] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Sync it with the server version.
[04:37] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: ddrichardson * r4350 ubuntu/internet/C/modem.xml: Dougie Richardson - Improved format, added DNS help.
[04:37] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: ddrichardson * r4351 ubuntu/internet/C/basics.xml: Dougie Richardson - Improved format.
[04:38] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: ddrichardson * r4352 ubuntu/internet/C/internet.xml: Dougie Richardson - Formatting, validation.
[04:38] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: ddrichardson * r4353 ubuntu/internet/C/connect.xml: Dougie Richardson - Network manager description.
[04:52] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4354 generic/ (server/C/web-servers.xml serverguide/C/web-servers.xml):
[04:52] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/serverguide/C/web-servers.xml
[04:52] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/web-servers.xml
[04:52] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Include instruction to install php5-cgi package. Explain the purpose of
[04:52] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  the same.
[04:52] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Patch by: Adam Sommer
[04:52] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: (Tweaked by me)
[04:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4355 generic/ (server/C/mail.xml serverguide/C/mail.xml):
[04:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/mail.xml
[04:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/serverguide/C/mail.xml
[04:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation:  Change the package name libsasl2 -> libsasl2-2.
[04:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Patch by: Adam Sommer
[04:55] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: (Tweaked by me)
[04:58] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4356 xubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): updated patch from jan, with a few corrections
[05:20] <osmosis> Im putting all the info in, but I could use some help with wiki formatting.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[05:21] <osmosis> anyone available for that ?
[07:15] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: sbalneav * r4357 edubuntu/handbook/C/ (5 files): Proofreading by Carol, X_RAMPERC, other technical fixes
[10:21] <oldmanstan> anybody know when exactly is the point at which patches can no longer be committed?
[10:22] <mdke> oldmanstan: there isn't an exact point
[10:23] <mdke> well, there is; it's 23:59 UTC today, which is a few hours away. But that's not rigously enforced
[10:23] <mdke> a few late changes will not hurt
[10:24] <oldmanstan> oh wow, so in like 3 hours yes?
[10:24] <oldmanstan> i suck at timezones :)
[10:24] <oldmanstan> cool, thanks
[10:24] <mdke> ok
[10:35] <nixternal> oldmanstan: don't worry, I still have a few changes to make to Kubuntu docs and I can't finish them today unfortunately
[10:35] <nixternal> typically +1 at most, especially with the push back of tribe 6
[10:41] <fijam> mdke, any suggestion on how to handle the 'variable' in the pathname?
[10:41] <nixternal> $HOME?
[10:41] <nixternal> like that?
[10:43] <fijam> nixternal, the problem is that xubuntu needs to provide a relative path to a .html file instead of "ghtml:SomeID" link, for example "url="../../add-applications/C/index.html"
[10:43] <fijam> C varies depending on a given translation
[10:43] <nixternal> ahh, that is right..I forgot you guys aren't using Yelp now correct?
[10:43] <fijam> Indeed
[10:55] <fijam> any suggestions?
[11:12] <oldmanstan> fijam: what exactly is the problem now? you need dynamic links?
[11:12] <oldmanstan> if it's gonna be html why not just use javascrap?
[11:14] <fijam> oh, I do not know if JS is to be approved in the docs. I so not know what are the limitations of buiilding process, and how the translation packages are being handled
[11:15] <fijam> I am afraid someone with more experience ought to sort it out :/
[11:17] <j1mc> kubuntu just uses the standard ulinks.  i wonder if ours won't work because we aren't using something like khelp.  ??
[11:20] <fijam> j1mc, these are not entirely 'standard', help:/path/ is not an html url definition. And yes, we have no documentation reader to handle those "help:" definitions
[11:23] <j1mc> thanks, fijam
[12:04] <fijam> got to go, see you
[12:39] <j1mc> hi jjesse
[12:40] <j1mc> jjesse: could you be of any help with this issue: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-September/009386.html ?


[00:44] <ianorlyn> hmm alternate failed badly
[19:23] <ianorlyn> wait why does entire disk install a seperate /home partition in ubiquity now
[19:24] <ahoneybun> does it?
[19:24] <ianorlyn> the install complted in a lubuntu install in 8 GB but has a 98 percent full / partition
[19:24]  * ahoneybun has always used manual
[19:24] <ianorlyn> manual works the best but I need to test entire disk for QA
[19:59] <ianorlyn> this won't be good if someone basically makes a vm then installs some small thing and the / get full could end up flooded with support requests
[20:11] <ianorlyn> hmm the other question is what do I file the bug against as it doesn't have enough space for updates
[20:16] <ianorlyn> wxl ^^
[20:19] <ahoneybun> try
[20:30] <ianorlyn> wait I give it more space and it uses the entire thing on i386 why would it do that?
[20:55] <wxl> still need help ianorlyn ?
[20:59] <ianorlyn> I am not sure what to do about an install that by defualt makes / 98 percent full
[21:00] <wxl> how can it make it 98% full? what's it filled with?
[21:02] <ianorlyn> um it gives all free space to a /home partition
[21:02] <wxl> huh
[21:02] <wxl> do other images do that?
[21:04] <ianorlyn> i386 doesn't
[21:06] <ianorlyn> http://brendanperrine.com/screenshots/Screenshot_wily520amd64desk_2015-05-20_14:03:10.png
[21:07] <wxl> other flavors let's say
[21:07] <ianorlyn> I will try them
[21:07] <wxl> cuz if the problem is universal, we can probably put it against ubiquity
[21:08] <wxl> i don't think ubiquity actually uses parted/gparted so i think that would be better
[21:08] <wxl> if the problem is isolated to lubuntu, then you could file it against the lubuntu iso
[21:11] <wxl> lubuntu-meta if you have to ianorlyn
[21:36] <ianorlyn> ok I think I messed up and inserted a digit when allocating the vm memory so it had more ram than disk space
[21:40] <ianorlyn> wxl xubuntu didn't when I ran it with sane inputs for the creation of the virtual machine
[21:41] <ianorlyn> and I tried the apparent bad iso with sane values and it is working how it should
[21:42] <wxl> ianorlyn: so fluke?
[21:42] <ianorlyn> pretty much
[22:17] <ahoneybun> wxl: ianorlyn so you and gsilvapt prefer LaTeX?
[22:17]  * ahoneybun still has not finished his Slideshow
[22:17] <Unit193> ahoneybun: Asciidoc is pretty awesome, fwiw.
[22:17] <wxl> ahoneybun: i don't, but that's what the manual uses
[22:18] <ahoneybun> wxl: though of using pandoc to convert it to something it supports?
[22:18] <ahoneybun> *thought
[22:18] <wxl> sure ahoneybun
[22:19] <ahoneybun> wxl: to much work for everyone to learn another language?
[22:20] <wxl> ahoneybun: well, the reason why we did that is to keep in line with the ubuntu manual. leverage their technology
[22:20] <gsilvapt> Someone pinged me here? My pc was rebooting
[22:20] <wxl> ahoneybun: from your presentation's perspective, i'd say it would be good to sugegst such a thing!
[22:20] <gsilvapt> Didn't see it and switched section
[22:21] <ahoneybun> wxl: ianorlyn so you and gsilvapt prefer LaTeX?
[22:21] <ahoneybun> wxl: moving to another lang?
[22:21] <gsilvapt> Yea, we think it is better
[22:21] <wxl> ahoneybun: yeah, something more universal
[22:21] <gsilvapt> Great scalability and easy to collaborate with
[22:21] <gsilvapt> universal, that's the term
[22:22] <ahoneybun> yes agreed
[22:22] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: maybe I'll upload something to my github to demo for you and wxl
[22:22] <ahoneybun> well the current things I have up on it should be demo enough
[22:23] <gsilvapt> In LaTeX or RTS?
[22:23] <ahoneybun> RTS
[22:23] <ahoneybun> you followed the repo gsilvapt
[22:23] <gsilvapt> Yeap, I did
[22:24] <ahoneybun> https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual for wxl and ianorlyn
[22:52] <ahoneybun> wxl: RTS has some awesome stuff
[22:52] <ahoneybun> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html
[23:14] <ianorlyn> wxl it is quite hard to build the ubuntu manual
[23:15] <wxl> ianorlyn: that's one reason why i stand behind ahoneybun's ideas
[23:22] <ahoneybun> in its current state it does not have to be *built* to be edited
[23:22] <ahoneybun> just source files atm
[23:28] <gsilvapt> jeez, wxl was navigating our Wiki and there's so many things outdated... What the hell :o
[23:29] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: lives!
[23:29] <gsilvapt> I was here :)
[23:30] <ahoneybun> XD
[23:35] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: I have a sample tex file on there as well
[23:35] <ahoneybun> using pandoc to create it
[23:36] <ahoneybun> https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.tex
[23:47] <gsilvapt> Sorry, I'm currently working on something else
[23:50] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: np just wanted you to be aware of it
[23:50] <gsilvapt> I've seen that before, when you sent me the github repository
[23:50] <gsilvapt> even though I didn't comment antyhing
[23:50] <gsilvapt> Honestly, I have been working hard on my thesis until today
[23:51] <gsilvapt> had another drawback so I'm on hold until next monday
[23:51] <ahoneybun> no problems like I said man
[23:51] <ahoneybun> we all do this in our free time
[23:52] <ahoneybun> well most


[00:48] <bluesabre> ochosi, g_timeout_add is what I would suggest
[00:50] <bluesabre> or rather, g_idle_add
[00:50] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/glib/stable/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#g-idle-add
[00:50] <bluesabre> the callback function would handle 1 round of the loop each go until done
[00:51] <bluesabre> once done, return FALSE to end the loop
[00:51] <bluesabre> should be some examples here and there of it
[00:52] <bluesabre> for one, https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-commits/2012-February/028502.html
[08:29] <flocculant> what package is it that would concern itself with how to open something - eg a pdf from a website worked ok the other day, now it's apparently trying to open with mousepad :(
[12:01] <bluesabre> flocculant, usually its xdg-utils or exo
[12:02] <bluesabre> neither have been updated in the last few days though (exo back in November)
[12:02] <bluesabre> maybe check if its happening in ubuntu land as well, could be some other completely unrelated thing
[12:04] <bluesabre> ochosi, what gtk3 xfce things would you recommend pulling into zesty that have not already landed?
[12:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks - I coculdn't remember those at all :)
[12:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: and it's seemingly a local thing
[12:36] <flocculant> and transient - cos it works now ...
[19:47] <akxwi-dave> ochosi just to advise, the scrolling problem flocculant has on the notification settings.. I'm getting the same thing on todays iso..  once a number of programs have been added to the second tab.. you can scroll with the scroll bar,  but not the scroll wheel of the mouse..
[19:53] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: the one on the iso (iirc) is the 'old' version - and the mouse scroll issue should be fixed in master
[19:54] <flocculant> master (or the logging_rebased) thing should have that fixed - that is what ochosi and I have been talking about
[19:55] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/cPtAlrw.png
[19:55] <flocculant> iso on the left there
[19:56] <flocculant> oh my this could get confusing - screenshotting the screenshot tool :)
[19:56] <akxwi-dave> lol.. ahhh  so  new version coming
[19:57] <flocculant> should be - not sure when though :)
[19:57] <flocculant> you can test it too :p
[19:59] <flocculant> ochosi: get this erratically > http://i.imgur.com/adwlFwL.png
[20:00] <akxwi-dave> :-) will teach me to try and skim read a catch up rather than fully    :-)
[20:00] <flocculant> :)
[20:03] <flocculant> git clone git://git.xfce.org/users/ochosi/xfce4-notifyd; cd xfce4-notifyd; git checkout logging_rebased;;
[20:03] <flocculant> ./autogen.sh && make && sudo make install && killall xfce-notifyd
[20:04] <flocculant> would be good to confirm it not working on zesty I think
[20:04] <flocculant> I think that is all right ^^
[20:05] <akxwi-dave> got a zest machine at work.. will get that tested 1st thing
[20:13] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: cheers - best check in channel here before - just in case I got the git voodoo wrong ...
[20:14] <flocculant> oh - apt-get build deps xfce4-notifyd too
[21:42] <ochosi> flocculant: hm, well the scrolling issue doesn't appear for me here, so it's not yet fixed in master. i will try to spin up a vm with zesty though and test it there with notifyd
[21:42] <ochosi> the thing that is fixed though is the not-expanding scrolled window
[21:43] <flocculant> ochosi: ack - window expansion is good here
[21:43] <ochosi> k, good
[21:44] <flocculant> ochosi: does the bit above I told akxwi-dave look right?
[21:44]  * flocculant grabbed it from bash history ;)
[21:44] <ochosi> btw, would have been nice to get the bug also reported upstream so that users from other distros can also chime in
[21:44] <flocculant> which - the scrolling thing?
[21:44] <ochosi> yeah, that looks about right
[21:44] <ochosi> yeah, the scrolling one
[21:45] <flocculant> I did ask about reporting - and you said tell me in here ;)
[21:45] <flocculant> I did do some lp reporting I think - but I'm happy to report upstream ofc
[21:46] <flocculant> ochosi: though git issue or bugzilla?
[21:46] <ochosi> yeah, but only for stuff that doesn't affect master ;)
[21:46] <flocculant> ok :)
[21:46] <ochosi> upstream is in bugzilla, github is only a mirror
[21:46] <ochosi> so bugs.xfce.org
[21:46] <flocculant> ok - so I can do that no problem at all
[21:48] <flocculant> ochosi: how do I get the version from git?
[21:52] <ochosi> flocculant: how do you mean?
[21:52] <flocculant> is it some bizarre version of xfce4-notifyd - or just what I'd see from dpkg -l ?
[21:53] <ochosi> you lost me there
[21:53] <flocculant> ok - well nvm then :p
[21:53] <flocculant> anywat xfce 13275
[21:53] <flocculant> anyway ...
[21:55] <flocculant> linked the lp bug to that too
[21:56] <ochosi> so you want to have the version of git master..?
[21:56] <flocculant> I just wondered that - not necessary for the bug I guess
[21:59] <ochosi> but this bug also affects the version shipped in zesty, right?
[21:59] <flocculant> yea
[22:00] <ochosi> k, so i'll add 0.3.4 as the version tag
[22:00] <flocculant> ochosi: I just did that
[22:02] <flocculant> and akxwi-dave confirmed the issue in the zest version ^^
[22:02] <ochosi> yup
[22:03] <flocculant> and I was seeing that (and the non expanding box) previously to you talking me into this git version :D
[22:05] <flocculant> added that as a comment on the bug (ignoring the expansion of box)
[22:06] <flocculant> off now - night all
[22:06] <ochosi> :)
[22:06] <ochosi> night flocculant
[22:38] <knome> ochosi, you have 10 minutes?
[22:38] <knome> bluesabre, when are you going to be around?
[22:38] <ochosi> like "10" or 10?
[22:38] <knome> 10
[22:39] <knome> well it depends how fast YOU are...
[23:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you feel we can unleash xfce4-settings-gtk3 on users just yet?