[00:04] <infinity_> hallyn: *poke*
[00:05] <infinity_> hallyn: The .so belongs in the -dev package, not the library package (re: cgmanager)
[00:19] <Logan_> hey infinity :)
[00:21] <Logan_> doko: pitti sponsored that, not me
[00:22] <Logan_> I don't even have access to the main component, haha
[00:22] <Logan_> but I'm flattered that you think I'm a core dev :P
[00:32] <infinity> Logan_: Hai.
[00:32] <Logan_> :)
[00:35] <infinity> Logan_: Or was that just a random hi without a followup? :)
[00:37] <Logan_> infinity: oh, just a random hi :P
[00:37] <infinity> zul: Do we ever plan to make use of the "openstack-meta-packages" package from Debian that's been sitting in -proposed for 275 days, or should we remove it and blacklist it as not relevant to how we do openstacky things?
[00:37] <infinity> Logan_: Well, random hi to you too.
[00:48] <hallyn> infinity: the .so does?  then what is the point of the library package?
[00:50]  * hallyn goes to edumacate himself at the pkg guide
[00:50] <RAOF> hallyn: The .so file is a symlink to the *actual* library, used by ld to resolve -lfoo to libfoo.so to libfoo.so.the.actual.object.with.real.code
[00:51] <RAOF> So it's only interesting for development, which is why it goes in the development package :)
[00:51] <hallyn> oh, right.
[00:51] <hallyn> infinity: so can i re-use that package version since it was rejected?
[00:52] <infinity> hallyn: Yeahp.
[00:52] <infinity> RAOF: Thanks for laying the smack down while I smoked.
[00:52] <hallyn> cool.  thanks.  now i do wonder if i could have kept the .a file in there and hav eit work...
[00:52]  * infinity needs to start recruiting policy sidekicks.
[00:53] <infinity> hallyn: Why did you remove the static lib?  I didn't check the bug.
[00:53]  * RAOF has _asked_ whether ubuntu-archive needs more members :P
[00:53] <infinity> hallyn: Not that it's required to ship it or not, it's vaguely optional, but it's a nice option to offer in some cases.
[00:53] <hallyn> infinity: we were confused as to why cgmanager wasn't showing in ldd for lxc.
[00:54] <hallyn> infinity: i didn't notice at first that the .so wasn't in the pkg
[00:54] <infinity> RAOF: Didn't we do some training or other for you on some team or other at some point?
[00:54] <hallyn> so i removed the .a file as i figured builds might prefer the static over dynamic lib if available
[00:54] <infinity> hallyn: Oh, right, so yeah, with no .so, it would link statically by default, cause that's all there is.
[00:54] <RAOF> infinity: Yeah, enough to use the bits of archive-admin tooling necessary to do SRUs.
[00:54] <hallyn> anway if it's all the same whether it is there or not,
[00:54] <hallyn> then i'll put it back.
[00:55] <infinity> RAOF: Right, bring it up next week, and let's see about AA indoctrination.
[00:55] <infinity> RAOF: We do need new blood, but it's not something I like to advertise, cause then we get outside pressure to accept people who shouldn't be doing it.
[00:55] <infinity> (And yes, I made that statement publically just now on purpose)
[00:55] <RAOF> :)
[01:07] <hallyn> infinity: thanks, new version pushed.
[01:07] <infinity> hallyn: Ta.
[01:07] <Logan_> infinity: I might be interested
[01:08] <infinity> Logan_: In?
[01:08] <Logan_> AA
[01:08] <infinity> Logan_: You're a little on the shiny and new side for that, yet.
[01:08] <infinity> Logan_: Let's work on core-dev first. :P
[01:08] <Logan_> okay :P
[01:18] <hallyn> oh ffs.
[01:18] <hallyn> bzr bd done did me wrong
[01:21] <Logan_> UDD <3
[01:22] <psusi> cjwatson, a debian user just filed a bug report about the issue we found and fixed in ubuntu regarding the out of order partition table entries causing a failure to update the kernel in parted.  I had sent you a git bundle a while back with that and one other fix for loop labels.  Do you think you could get around to applying it please? ;)
[01:25] <cjwatson> psusi: oh blast yeah, sorry, I'll take care of that tomorrow
[01:25] <psusi> cjwatson, cool cool...
[01:27] <psusi> or, I think I asked you about getting on the debian parted maintainer team and upload/git write access and you said to ask later ;)
[01:27] <psusi> then I could just push it myself
[01:28] <psusi> also, those partman patches I fixed up per your request are still waiting ;)
[01:29] <infinity> cjwatson: ++      macppc|ppc*) host_arch=ppc ;;
[01:29] <infinity> ++      ppc64*) host_arch=ppc64 ;;
[01:29] <infinity> cjwatson: What's wrong with this case statement?
[01:31] <cjwatson> psusi: well, those partman patches did require quite a bit of review ... but yeah, I need to get back to the next iterations of those
[01:31] <cjwatson> infinity: er, oops.  in my defence I did test-build on ppc64el
[01:32] <infinity> cjwatson: Well, probably because of this:
[01:32] <infinity> +-  ppc|ppc64|powerpc|powerpc64)
[01:32] <infinity> ++  ppc*|powerpc*)
[01:32] <infinity> +     arch='ppc'
[01:32] <cjwatson> yeah, so I think it's just dead code
[01:32] <infinity> IOW, the ppc/ppc64 distinction doesn't appear to matter.
[01:32] <infinity> Still, the case is wrong. :P
[01:32] <cjwatson> I'll fix it
[01:32] <infinity> Ta.
[01:34] <infinity> Every time I see another one of those uname = target constructs, though, I'm both glad we run linux32 everywhere, and really annoyed that we have to.
[01:41] <infinity> cjwatson: You could have just reversed the order too. :)
[01:41] <infinity> cjwatson: (But that works, I don't think we'll ever actually see a ppcel kernel)
[01:41] <infinity> cjwatson: And, as pointed out, it's probably useless code ANYWAY.
[01:43] <cjwatson> Right
[01:43] <cjwatson> I was mostly just trying to line it up roughly with mplayer TBH :)
[02:18] <hallyn> grumble.  i had to look at that for at least 30 seconds before i saw the problem.
[02:27] <zul> infinity:  remove it and blacklist it
[02:31] <infinity> zul: Ta.
[02:31] <infinity> hallyn: ?
[02:31] <hallyn> infinity: the patch you quoted above
[02:33] <infinity> hallyn: Ahh.
[02:53] <psusi> cjwatson, we seem to get a lot of crash bugs caused by people manually partitioning and not setting up an efi system partition.. think partman-efi should check for that and kick them back to the partitioner if they forgot?
[02:54] <infinity> I thought it had a check and warning for that already...
[02:55] <infinity> Template: partman-efi/no_efi
[02:55] <infinity> Type: boolean
[02:55] <infinity> # :sl5:
[02:55] <infinity> _Description: Go back to the menu and resume partitioning?
[02:55] <infinity>  No EFI partition was found.
[02:55] <infinity> What triggers that template?
[02:55] <infinity> Ah.
[02:56] <infinity> Only on ia64.
[02:56] <infinity> \o/
[02:56] <infinity> psusi: See check.d/efi, if you want to sort out a safe way to make that only trip when we need it, but always trip when we do.
[03:03] <psusi> infinity, isn't partman-efi only loaded on an efi system in the first place?
[03:03] <psusi> btw, how goes the util-linux slog? ;)
[03:05] <infinity> psusi: I'm not sure if there's anything smart enough to only load it in the right cases.    I hope this machine still boots after all this ;)
[06:16] <AtuM> I'll try to reboot now that it finished.. let's see
[06:19] <pitti> Good morning
[06:19] <pitti> infinity: postgresql SRUs> fine for me, no regression reports upstream either
[06:20] <pitti> bdmurray: I do see the symbols here: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/lightdm/
[06:20] <pitti> bdmurray: maybe they got picked up over night and were just held by the freeze?
[06:26] <pitti> Laney, infinity: argh, thanks for fixing the pycxx bits
[06:29] <AtuM> hmm. .now I can't tell in what state my os is.. it's partially 14.04, partially 13.10...
[06:29] <AtuM> the kernel is 3.11, but some packages are upgraded :)
[06:59] <Unit193> lfaraone: Howdy.  Mind a PM?
[07:10] <AtuM> thrusty repos left behind after upgrade rollback.. this can become interesting
[07:32] <pitti> doko_: I filed bug 1298824, new libffi is causing havoc :/
[07:41] <pitti> doko_: I added two reproducers
[07:41] <pitti> doko_: is that something you can look into today, or should we upload a revert for now?
[07:42] <pitti> jibel: ^ FYI (all the failure messages from overnight); another fail of britney-adt :(
[07:49] <zyga> good morning
[07:52] <pitti> slangasek: I have a question for you in bug 1295521; thanks in advance!
[08:05] <pitti> jibel: is it still possible to get some post-mortem why libffi wasn't held back? new g-i, pygobject, ffi, and others were all uploaded simulataneously due to teh unfreeze, which certainly didn't help to make matters any easier
[08:06] <jibel> pitti, yes, I'm looking into it
[08:07]  * zyga wonders if there's a way to put any patches into the release at this time
[08:07] <zyga> pure bufixes
[08:07] <infinity> zyga: Yep, same as always, upload away.
[08:08] <infinity> zyga: It just gets held for review, but bugfixes will slide in with no issues, unless they're obviously wrong.
[08:08] <zyga> infinity: ENOUPLOADRIGHTS, we'll release to debian and try to sync them over then
[08:08] <zyga> infinity: those are all short and well documented so we'll try
[08:09] <infinity> doko_: Dude, why are we uploading release candidate versions of new upstream libffi waaaay after feature freeze, and weeks before release?
[09:00] <tjaalton> was there a known bug with apport retracer on lp recently?
[09:00] <pitti> tjaalton: not known to me; is it stuck again?
[09:00] <tjaalton> pitti: I'm just going through bugs against the X packages, and see that even crashers with free drivers have useless stacktraces
[09:01] <tjaalton> this particular one is from mid-feb
[09:02] <pitti> tjaalton: I can look through the logs for messages like "this dbgsym is missing", if you toss me a bug number
[09:02] <tjaalton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1278722 is a good example i think
[09:04] <pitti> doko_, infinity: I prepared and uploaded a revert, tested with python-cffi and python-gi; so it's ready for the release team to accept if/once we decide we want to do that
[09:05] <Laney> pitti: no problem - I was surprised to find a bug like this after so long though!
[09:06] <infinity> Yeah, that surprised me too.
[09:06] <infinity> AFAICT, that's been broken that way since that feature was added.
[09:07] <pitti> tjaalton: ah, too bad we can't catch X.org's assertion messages yet; but that bug still has a core dump, maybe one can pry it out from there
[09:07] <infinity> pitti: Oh, also, I was lazy and didn't write a test-case for multi-level doc symlinks, if you're feeling anal at some point and want to add one to pkgbinarymangler...
[09:07] <tjaalton> pitti: ah, ok
[09:07] <infinity> pitti: (I briefly considered it, saw the testsuite was in python, and lost motivation :P)
[09:08] <pitti> E: Ignore unavailable version '2:1.15.0-1ubuntu3' of package 'xorg-server'
[09:08] <tjaalton> and I see fresh bugs with proper traces, so let's just assume it's working now :)
[09:08] <pitti> tjaalton: ^ that was the error
[09:08] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[09:08] <pitti> tjaalton: so apparently the retracer got stuck for a bit (we had that due to some weird launchpadlib cache problems; worked around now)
[09:08] <tjaalton> right
[09:08] <pitti> tjaalton: sorry about that
[09:08] <pitti> tjaalton: so, fine to just invalidate those, as they are rather useless
[09:08] <tjaalton> no worries, hope the bug is fixed anyway, or someone has filed a dupe later
[09:10] <infinity> pitti: Do the autopkgtest machines run ntpd or anything that might jitter the clock?
[09:11] <infinity> pitti: I know qemu sucks and all, but I'm really irked that eglibc's testsuite seems to fairly often get such crap time out of those machines. :/
[09:11] <pitti> infinity: checking; but they have a lot of VMs running in parallel, so they often get stuck in iowait and similar
[09:11] <pitti> infinity: I just retried eglibc, FTR
[09:11] <infinity> pitti: Thanks.
[09:11] <pitti> ntp       5256  0.0  0.0  43756  3128 ?        Ss   Mar25   0:21 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 118:124
[09:11] <pitti> infinity: ^
[09:12] <infinity> pitti: It mostly bugs me because I don't want to XFAIL a test that passes on real hardware, nor do I want to be holding up some other random person's package migration, so it seems a bit rock and hard place.
[09:12] <infinity> pitti: So, yeah, ntpd on a kvm host where the guests get their RTCs via the system clock of the host might not actually be the best idea.
[09:12] <pitti> we are fairly quick on the retry trigger for unstable tests :)
[09:12] <infinity> pitti: system jitters, and so do all the guests' fake RTCs.
[09:13] <pitti> infinity: I guess a cron'ed ntpdate wouldn't be much better, though ?
[09:13] <infinity> pitti: No, just a boot time ntpdate.  The machines can't lose so many ticks that you need it re-jittering often, I hope?  It's not an Amiga.
[09:14] <pitti> infinity: e. g. aldebaran has an uptime of 134 days ATM; I guess you can get quite some skew on loaded machines in that time?
[09:15] <infinity> pitti: In theory, yeah.  *shrug*
[09:16] <infinity> pitti: A daily cronned ntpdate might be more pleasant, or not worrying about it and retrying tests (or not worrying about skew).  Was more an observation than a demand for change. :)
[09:16] <infinity> ntpdate might actually be less destructive, not sure how the system interprets its changes.
[09:17] <infinity> Pretty dure ntpdate actually changes the date, which is entirely different from ntpd inserting and removing ticks.
[09:17] <infinity> Equally possible that my blaming ntpd is a red herring and it's just that qemu sucks under load.
[09:19] <pitti> infinity: multiple qemus in parallel aren't very reliable wrt. timing issues indeed; I often see failures when lots of stuff runs in parallel
[09:20] <pitti> infinity: after the recent eglibc upload I slightly decreased the number of parallel runners, let's hope it helps a bit
[09:20] <pitti> infinity: yearning for the new world where all this will be quite a bit more flexible
[09:22] <msx> hi! i'm having GPG errors for ubuntu 14.04 official repositories on main server, i've been using 14.04 and until this very day everything it was a smooth sail, anyone else?
[09:22] <msx> is this a know issue?
[09:23] <pitti> infinity: so xfailing this kind of error would certainly not hurt for autokpgtests (as this pretty much should be a rebuild and coarse smoketest only), but we certainly shouldn't xfail it for package builds
[09:23] <infinity> pitti: That particular failure might at least get harder to trip in 2.20... gettimeofday() was moved to the vDSO, which knock out a few dozen instructions.
[09:24] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, I think the real solution is for me to build a cut down test package and use that, which will also be more doable in 2.20 (or maybe 2.21) as we're sinking work into making the testsuite run out of tree.
[09:24] <pitti> infinity: ah, nice; until then, retry button it is :)
[09:27] <zyga> msx: I haven't seen that, maybe you are behind corrupting http proxy (most are)
[09:28] <msx> zyga: hei! but this issue just arose earlier today... any idea on how to solve it? may be switching the repo server?
[09:28] <zyga> msx: without knowing what causes it (it's proably something on your network as I also use the same servers and dind't see any gpg issues) it's hard to say
[09:29] <msx> zyga: btw, i have a 'transparent' connection, by transparent i mean the only proxies out there should be the ones from my isp (hate that stuff)
[09:29] <msx> hmmm
[09:29] <zyga> msx: transparent proxies are known to misbehave
[09:30] <zyga> msx: try forcing some funny http headers to apt, to force those proxises to refresh, I had issues like that in corporate networks, google for apt http proxy isuses, there's plenty of people with workarounds
[09:30] <msx> zyga: how do i reset the GPG and force the system to bring them back again?
[09:30] <zyga> msx: but essentially, the network setup is broken
[09:30] <zyga> msx: gpg is not broken, you need to re-download them through the proxy
[09:30] <infinity> It could just be bad timing.  Have you tried "apt-get update" again?
[09:30] <msx> zyga: okay, tnx a lot!
[09:30] <msx> infinity: o/
[09:31] <msx> infinity: yes, a lot within these hours
[09:31] <zyga> msx: and this is not a support channel, sorry, try #ubuntu and google for this, plenty of good workarounds out there
[09:31] <msx> zyga: ok! i decided to post here since i'm on 14.04
[09:31] <zyga> msx: sure, no worries
[09:31] <zyga> msx: good luck :)
[09:31] <msx> :D
[09:49] <msx> zyga: FTR, there's an archive update in progress: #ubuntu+1 06:42:45    TJ- | msx: Archive update in progress; see http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/ubuntu/
[09:50] <msx> zyga: tought you might be interested in knowing that :)
[09:50] <infinity> msx: So, pick another mirror?
[09:50] <msx> infinity: can you believe that all the four mirrors I already check are in the same state? bless my luck :D
[09:50] <msx> infinity: tnx anyways!
[09:51] <msx> s/check/cheked/g
[09:51] <infinity> msx: archive.ubuntu.com is pretty much never in that state (though is pretty far away from you, sadly)
[09:51] <msx> infinity: mmm, will give it a try, great
[09:58] <msx> infinity: error persists using that repo, i keep looking for the error, thanks
[10:47] <msx> zyga: infinity: after more research it came out it's a bug in apt, issue solve, everything's here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1263540/comments/7
[10:47] <msx> thanks for your help guys
[11:02] <infinity> cjwatson: You know how we keep getting into conversations with people every 7.5 days about when you want C/P/R/B and why?
[11:02] <infinity> cjwatson: A random googling earlier for I don't recall what led me to this table: https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
[11:02] <infinity> cjwatson: Might be a handy thing to just toss at people instead of having the same 20-minute discussion every time.
[11:05] <infinity> Although, it could use some tidying up.  12 is definitely wrong.
[11:07] <cjwatson> infinity: good idea
[11:38] <Chipaca> statik: o/ :)
[11:38] <statik> o/
[11:38] <statik> long time :)
[11:39] <Chipaca> yup :)
[12:15] <doko> Riddell, is there a reason that calligra needs to be built with GCC 4.7?
[12:15] <Riddell> doko: there was, krita wouldn't compile with 4.8 I think, not tested in recent times though
[12:46] <doko> Riddell, builds with the default
[12:46] <doko> Maintainer: Michael Vogt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:46] <doko> Standards-Version: 3.7.3
[12:46] <doko> mvo: do you know this guy?  ^^^
[12:54] <Riddell> doko: oh you tested it? thanks
[12:55] <doko> Riddell, yes. amd64 only
[13:36] <nturner_> Is anyone else seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1281806 ? With the final beta release announcement, I'm concerned that this bug hasn't even been triaged.
[13:37] <nturner_> I'm guessing unity is the wrong package, but I'm not sure what is. Should I reassign this to compiz? Something else?
[13:39] <nturner_> I'm willing to try stuff to help debug this, but I'm not sure what would be helpful.
[13:39] <ogra_> nturner_, try #ubuntu-desktop ...
[13:39] <seb128> nturner_, check with bregma but I don't think it's known, first time I see it mentioned, might be due to some specific local options
[13:40] <nturner_> ogra_, ok
[13:41] <nturner_> seb128, I'm seeing this on both systems I've been testing trusty on, different hardware install histories...
[13:41] <nturner_> s/hardware/hardware,/
[13:42] <seb128> nturner_, stock config, never touched ccsm or any compiz option?
[13:44] <nturner_> I'm willing to reset to a stock compiz config (plus disabling Alt = HUG keybinding ;-) to test --- what dirs should I delete? ~/.compiz? Anything else?
[13:44] <nturner_> er, s/HUG/HUD/ =)
[13:44] <ogra_> try a guest login for a start
[13:44] <ogra_> or create a new user
[13:47] <gQuigs> does my packaging change request here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mongodb/+bug/1295723  make sense?
[13:52] <rbasak> gQuigs: IMHO, technically there is no mongodb packaging bug there, although I understand why it would be useful to you for cloud archive backports.
[13:53] <rbasak> gQuigs: except that we don't support doing what you're doing to the cloud archive in that way anyway.
[13:53] <rbasak> gQuigs: I think the danger here is that we make the change, you rely on it, and then something upstream changes and breaks you in a way that we can't fix.
[13:54] <rbasak> (since the libfoo-ver-dev thing isn't policy or even common)
[13:56] <rbasak> Or that we get a future proliferation of bugs wanting the same thing in other packages, all to fix something in the cloud archive which is fundamentally wrong anyway.
[13:56] <rbasak> The "right" way to control this is with apt pinning. Could you perhaps view this as a general solution for anybody who wants to install extra packages in such an unsupported combination? Ie. make the cloud archive low pin priority in general?
[13:57] <gQuigs> rbasak: this is the first I'm hearing that it's ok for the cloud archive to break things like this
[13:57] <rbasak> gQuigs: in that case maybe I should get my assertion checked by others in my team
[13:57] <gQuigs> rbasak: there is no big warning on this page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive
[13:57] <rbasak> gQuigs: my understanding is that you aren't expected to be able to install arbitrary other packages on a system where the cloud archive is enabled
[13:58] <rbasak> (since it bumps versions of dependencies exactly how you're seeing)
[13:58] <rbasak> Normally this isn't an issue, since installations running the cloud archive don't run anything else.
[14:01] <rbasak> gQuigs: why is pinning the cloud archive not a suitable solution for you?
[14:16] <bdmurray> pitti: ah, maybe
[14:54] <ahasenack> hi guys, do I need to ping someone about a trusty bug-fix upload? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=landscape-c
[14:54] <ahasenack> or is it "automatic"?
[14:56] <alesage> tedg, apropos of our earlier convo this just came into existence: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/quality/
[14:56] <alesage> IMO balloons is doing a good job of public writing on 'how we test ubuntu' :) , sure he'd be interested in your feedback
[14:59] <tedg> alesage, Yeah, seems like he's mostly dealing with apps. Which is fine, but we need it for the core as well.
[15:00] <balloons> tedg, what do you need / looking for?
[15:00] <alesage> balloons, we were just having an inspired chat about quality :) and our test plans
[15:00] <tedg> balloons, We were talking about something that pulled together how the different parts of TestPlans and MergeCheck lists work. Like vs. unit tests, etc.
[15:01] <jibel> bdmurray, you have a bot that detects if people have xorg-edgers ppa enabled and invalidates bug reports if they do. Do you think the logic could be included into the release-upgrader and abort with that indication? instead of failing with a generic message and users reporting bug.
[15:01] <jibel> bdmurray, I know it is a specific case but very frequent cause of failure
[15:02] <tedg> balloons, Perhaps a children's book, with illustrations, "The story of a line of code getting into Ubuntu" :-)
[15:02] <alesage> tedg, so funny, like that "I'm just a bill" schoolhouse rock cartoon
[15:03] <tedg> alesage, I was thinking more like the "Water Cycle" cartoons, but that's perhaps just because it's rainy here today :-)
[15:03] <balloons> tedg, did you see http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2014/03/a-simple-look-at-testing-within-ubuntu.html?
[15:03] <balloons> it was inspired by the "explain to me like I'm 5"
[15:04] <bdmurray> jibel: there is bug 1069133 that xnox was going to work on
[15:04] <balloons> I don't think it mentions anything you don't know, but I'm guessing you want something like this that covers a bit more on the development side?
[15:04] <jibel> bdmurray, ok, thanks
[15:05] <bdmurray> jibel: they get the generic could not calculate the upgrade error message?
[15:06] <tedg> balloons, Ah, cool, yes. Perhaps the 8 year old version :-)
[15:06] <balloons> tedg, we had a session at vUDS on my ideas of a developer/release workflow from a quality perspective. If I'm understanding you correctly, this is what you'd like to see a highlevel doc on
[15:06] <balloons> it was of course from an app developer perspective
[15:06] <balloons> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22183/application-development-best-practices/
[15:07] <jibel> bdmurray, apparently they do, and even experienced users like brendand are trapped by this. See bug 1298891 for example
[15:08] <balloons> tedg, I like the childrens book idea :-) How a line of code gets into ubuntu
[15:08] <alesage> great idea :)
[15:09] <bdmurray> jibel: I guess fixing bug 934371 would help.
[15:09] <alesage> tedg also you might be interested in this thomi-post: http://www.tech-foo.net/on-test-levels-and-coverage.html
[15:09] <balloons> ^^ don't expect your 8 yr old to get this :-)
[15:10] <alesage> very true
[15:10] <alesage> more tedg's speed ;)
[15:11] <brendand> jibel, yeah i can't get past that. i assume it's related to the 'unofficial packages' bit, but which ones?
[15:14] <jibel> brendand, try reverting xserver-xorg-video-ati -intel -radeon and -nouveau to the versions from the archive, you currently have somegitrev-0ubuntu0sarvatt~saucy
[15:17] <brendand> jibel, yeah i noticed that in the log - hopefully it works. i have the archive version now
[15:17] <brendand> jibel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7168918/
[15:18] <brendand> oop - vmware is still from there
[15:18] <brendand> guess that's not relevant though
[15:18] <brendand> i'll revert it anyway
[15:25] <doko> mlankhorst, tjaalton: there are xorg ftbfs, weston and xorg-gtest, see http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20140307-trusty.html
[15:28] <ogra_> jodh, i'm looking for a way to make an upstart job fire only if another job couldnt be started, do you know of any examples for such a case ?
[15:29] <jodh> ogra_: you mean http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#run-a-job-only-if-another-job-fails ?
[15:29] <ogra_> something like: start on can-not-start foo
[15:29] <ogra_> lol
[15:29] <ogra_> blind me
[15:29] <ogra_> jodh, thanks :)
[15:30] <jodh> ogra_: if you care about exactly _how_ the job failed, you can interrogate the signal/exit code - see stopped(7)
[15:30] <ogra_> cool, but i think i'm fine if it simply didnt start
[15:32] <doko> Sweetshark, seb128: libreoffice-voikko still ftbfs
[15:40] <Sweetshark> doko: against 4.2.3~rc2-0ubuntu1 ?
[15:42] <doko> Sweetshark, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20140307/+build/5703954
[15:43] <doko> ahh, the new didn't yet migrate
[15:43] <Sweetshark> doko: yep. that one still build against 4.2.1
[15:44] <slangasek> pitti: 1295521> the analysis there is hilariously wrong; I don't have time at the moment to dig into it, but the idea that installing i386 pam modules is going to break your amd64 lightdm is absurd
[16:16] <Chipaca> who knows about the messaging menu from the dbus level?
[16:18] <seb128> Chipaca, larsu but he's having a day off today, maybe try email?
[16:18] <seb128> Chipaca, or maybe tedg can help you
[16:18] <Chipaca> seb128: ta
[16:18] <seb128> yw!
[16:20] <tedg> Chipaca, D-feet :-)  What are you looking for?
[16:21] <Chipaca> tedg: putting something into the messaging menu, via dbus :)
[16:22] <Chipaca> tedg: I tried looking around for the API, but it seems it's not published
[16:22] <tedg> Chipaca, Sure, we'd really prefer you used the lib. Is there a reason you can't?
[16:23] <Chipaca> tedg: there doesn't seem to be docs about those either :D
[16:24] <Chipaca> tedg: but also, unless things have changed, wrapping a lib not built for testability in a testable way is harder than calling dbus directly
[16:25] <Chipaca> tedg: willing to give it a try though :)
[16:26] <tedg> Chipaca, What is this for, QML/Qt/etc?
[16:26] <Chipaca> tedg: nope
[16:26] <Chipaca> tedg: all i'm binding with is glib, at least for now
[16:27] <Chipaca> tedg: program itself is golang, if that helps?
[16:27] <tedg> Chipaca, Hmm, not sure if the lib will work then as it requires glib mainloop.
[16:27] <Chipaca> ldd says libwhoopsie, glib-2, pthread, sqlite3, pcre, and the usual system ones
[16:27] <Chipaca> yeah, that'll be a problem
[16:29] <tedg> Chipaca, What project is this for?
[16:29] <tedg> Chipaca, Or, more specifically, what are you planning to put in the messaging menu?
[16:30] <Chipaca> tedg: ubuntu-push; push notifications
[16:30] <tedg> Chipaca, Notifications of what?
[16:31] <Chipaca> tedg: right now, system updates
[16:32] <Chipaca> tedg: but anything, later on
[16:32] <tedg> Chipaca, Those don't belong in the messaging menu
[16:32] <Chipaca> tedg: where do they belong?
[16:33] <Chipaca> longer term, any app that asks to get their notifications there, would
[16:33] <tedg> Chipaca, I would say system settings, but in general the messaging menu is for messages from other humans. Not a computer state.
[16:33] <Chipaca> tedg: system settings have an indicator?
[16:34] <tedg> Chipaca, Nope, but I believe the plan is it could have emblems
[16:35] <Chipaca> so, until something else is implemented, where do these go?
[16:35] <tedg> Chipaca, Ether :-)
[16:35]  * cjwatson grumbles at packages that run configure in their clean target
[16:36] <mpt> Chipaca, what are you talking about?
[16:36] <cjwatson> oh, wait, maybe this particular one is my fault
[16:36] <Chipaca> mpt: where to display notification of system updates, beyond the transient bubble
[16:37] <doko> Riddell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1299096
[16:37] <mpt> Chipaca, if there is a transient bubble, that is a bug
[16:37] <mpt> Chipaca, are you working on PC or Touch?
[16:37] <Chipaca> mpt: touch
[16:37] <Chipaca> mpt: why is it a bug?
[16:37] <mpt> Chipaca, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Prompting
[16:37] <Chipaca> mpt: does that apply to touch?
[16:37] <Chipaca> looks like it
[16:38] <Chipaca> mpt: wow
[16:39] <Riddell> thanks doko
[16:41] <Chipaca> mpt: do you know if the software packages side of this is implemented?
[16:41] <happyaron> well, expect lots of last minute changes from Ubuntu Kylin, :(
[16:44] <tedg> Chipaca, So somewhat related, I don't think push should "put things in the messaging menu" I think it should "notify the app and allow it to put things in the messaging menu" so that local configuration can be take into account.
[16:44] <Chipaca> tedg: the app is not running
[16:45] <Chipaca> tedg: that local configuration needs to be in push itself
[16:45] <tedg> Chipaca, Sure, I think that apps should provide an untrusted helper for that, not put that logic in push.
[16:45] <mpt> Chipaca, I know there was work to combine system updates and app updates in the same UI, I haven’t kept track of whether it’s finished
[16:46] <tedg> Chipaca, We can't put logic for, i.e. the Facebook app, in push.
[16:46] <Chipaca> tedg: i disagree, i think that is exactly where we can put it
[16:46] <tedg> Chipaca, Hoping you're going to define a Turing complete configuration language :-)
[16:47] <Chipaca> mpt: do you know who was doing this work?
[16:47] <mpt> Chipaca, I don’t remember, but seb128 will know
[16:47] <mpt> Chipaca, barry was one
[16:47] <Chipaca> seb128: please pretty please know
[16:47] <tedg> Chipaca, The reality is that the configuration could be as complicated as "only show me notification for members of my family"
[16:49] <Laney> Chipaca: We got click and system updates in system-settings now
[16:49] <Laney> the emblem thing in the scope isn't done, don't know if that is possible atm
[16:49] <Chipaca> Laney: I'm ... not sure what that means :)
[16:49] <Laney> which bit?
[16:49] <Chipaca> having click and system updates in there
[16:50] <Laney> That's what you were asking to know.
[16:50] <Chipaca> hmm
[16:51] <Chipaca> Laney: ok :) good. How do you display that you have a system update and click updates?
[16:51] <Chipaca> mpt: maybe that's a question for you; how (if at all) should it look if you have both kind of updates?
[16:51] <Laney> It should do what the design asks for
[16:51] <Chipaca> it doesn't
[16:51] <Chipaca> unless "Ubuntu touch" is a system update?
[16:53] <Chipaca> Laney: is that it? In those pics "Ubuntu Touch" is the system itself?
[16:53] <Chipaca> Laney: also, does this mean settings:///system/system-update no longer works?
[16:53] <Laney> Yes, and yes it should - that is exactly this
[16:54] <Chipaca> ah, so click will be listed there as well as the system
[16:54] <Chipaca> ok
[16:54] <Chipaca> Laney: who would know about the emblems?
[16:55] <Chipaca> that is: who would know whether putting an emblem on an icon in the launcher works? seb128?
[16:56] <Laney> mhr3 I guess
[16:56] <Chipaca> ah, ok
[16:56] <Chipaca> he's off :(
[16:56] <Chipaca> ah, no, i spy him :)
[16:58] <mpt> Chipaca, yes, “Ubuntu Touch” is a system update
[16:59] <Chipaca> mpt: yup. figured that out.
[16:59] <Chipaca> Laney: but click isn't yet putting a counter up, is it? (so i don't need to bother about syncing with that just yet)
[16:59] <tvoss> Chipaca, saviq might know, too
[16:59] <Chipaca> mhr3 just told me to check with Saviq :)
[16:59] <Chipaca> Saviq: ehlo
[17:00] <Laney> We don't have any emblems yet
[17:00] <Saviq> 501 Syntax: EHLO nickname
[17:00] <Laney> Just the parts that are inside system-settings itself
[17:00] <Saviq> Chipaca, wassup?
[17:00] <Chipaca> Saviq: question for you (i'm told): can i put an emblem (actually a counter?) on an icon on the launcher on the phone?
[17:01] <Saviq> Chipaca, you could (i.e. it's implemented in the launcher), there's no api for it yet, though
[17:01] <Chipaca> Saviq: what does that mean? there's no api at what level?
[17:01] <Saviq> Chipaca, I assume you're thinking about the push notif daemon, as that's the only thing that actually could keep the counter updated?
[17:01] <Chipaca> Saviq: yes :)
[17:01] <Saviq> Chipaca, so yeah, we need to make an api
[17:02] <Chipaca> Saviq: otoh push doesn't (yet!) know about click updates, but that can wait (says I)
[17:02] <tjaalton> is amd64 the default image offered for trusty?
[17:02] <tjaalton> or will it be
[17:02] <Chipaca> Saviq: it isn't exposed over dbus?
[17:02] <Saviq> Chipaca, no, not atm
[17:02] <Chipaca> ah
[17:02] <Saviq> Chipaca, we didn't have a use case for it yet, so didn't implement it
[17:02] <slangasek> pitti: followed up on bug #1295521
[17:02] <Saviq> Chipaca, and I'm thinking the current unity7 api doesn't fit
[17:03] <Saviq> Chipaca, as IIUC you can only set that from the app in question, not from outside
[17:03] <tjaalton> looks like 64bit is the default offered on ubuntu.com, nice
[17:04] <Chipaca> Saviq: i seem to recall being able to abuse it to update from the 'outside' (by just telling it you're the 'inside'), but it wasn't the supported thing
[17:04] <Chipaca> Saviq: so yeah. I can haz?
[17:04] <Saviq> Chipaca, how soon do you need / want it? can we plan that api for real, or do we want a quick hack?
[17:05] <Chipaca> Saviq: well... what's the time difference between those two options?
[17:05] <Chipaca> I've got to choose who to piss off :)
[17:05] <Saviq> Chipaca, no idea really :)
[17:05] <Saviq> Chipaca, it's not a huge API, but we'd have to talk to a few people
[17:05] <Saviq> Chipaca, on how this should work
[17:06] <Chipaca> Saviq: who would those people be?
[17:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, hey, we're talkin' about the launcher count emblems
[17:06] <mzanetti> ah
[17:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, and how we can expose that to the push notifications backend
[17:06] <mzanetti> hmm ok
[17:06] <Saviq> Chipaca, meet mzanetti :)
[17:06] <mzanetti> hellp Chipaca
[17:06] <mzanetti> hello, even
[17:06] <Chipaca> mzanetti: hello!
[17:07] <tvoss> Saviq, might be good to check with thostr_ on Monday, too
[17:07] <Saviq> Chipaca, so, a) $you-facing APIs' owner is thostr's team
[17:07] <Saviq> tvoss, yeah, ↑ that
[17:07] <mzanetti> right yes. originally Wellark was planning how to do this
[17:07] <mzanetti> not sure how far he has come with it
[17:08] <Saviq> but he's probably electrocuted himself by now
[17:08]  * Chipaca is unsurprised
[17:08] <mzanetti> do we already have another interface between that service and unity8?
[17:08] <Saviq> Chipaca, so, let's set up a meeting for Monday and hope that no one skips it?
[17:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, well, we have notifications, but that's fdo
[17:09] <mzanetti> ok. I'll wrap some brain cells around it in the meantime
[17:09] <Chipaca> I've got about a week of other things I can do while we work this out; does that sound reasonable, or should I dilute my meds?
[17:09] <Saviq> Chipaca, sounds ok, it's a relatively small thing
[17:09] <mzanetti> yeah, guess so too
[17:10] <Chipaca> mzanetti: Saviq: thank you!
[17:10] <Saviq> [...] and we probably need to tweak notifications, so that when you tap the app launched isn't the one that sent the notification
[17:10] <mzanetti> so yes, lets meet on Monday
[17:10] <Chipaca> Laney: tedg: mpt: and thank you too, sorry to have worried you (if I did)
[17:10] <Saviq> Chipaca, you set the meet up? you, mzanetti, Wellark, thostr, /me?
[17:10] <Chipaca> Saviq: wrt notifications, that already works
[17:10] <Chipaca> Saviq: anybody else?
[17:11] <mzanetti> sounds right...
[17:11] <Chipaca> setting it up
[17:11] <Saviq> Chipaca, /me and thostr are in London next week
[17:11] <Chipaca> gasp
[17:11] <Saviq> not sure about Wellark
[17:11] <Chipaca> we can meet irl :) i'll be in london on monday pm
[17:11] <Chipaca> i'll set it up anyways
[17:11] <Saviq> nope
[17:11] <__lucio__> Chipaca, add me to the meeting to
[17:11] <__lucio__> o
[17:11] <Saviq> Chipaca, yeah, my point exactly
[17:12] <Chipaca> __lucio__: should I add you to the --- yeah
[17:12] <Saviq> __lucio__, you've been working out, eh?
[17:12] <Chipaca> Saviq: on freenode he's "special"
[17:12]  * Chipaca laughs at his own python joke
[17:12] <Saviq> Chipaca, «special», eh?
[17:12] <Chipaca> Saviq: in python, __method__ is a special method
[17:12] <Saviq> I know
[17:12] <__lucio__> i think of myself more as MAGIC
[17:12] <Chipaca> ah ok :)
[17:13] <Chipaca> magic is a perlism!
[17:13] <Chipaca> boo, hiss
[17:13] <Saviq> Chipaca, remember, I actually managed to contribute stuff to candiru / curucu ;D
[17:13]  * Chipaca loved perl, but it's a secret love
[17:13] <Chipaca> Saviq: i remember :)
[17:14] <Saviq> Chipaca, ok, see you Monday, then!
[17:15]  * Saviq just got the invoice memo twice... will I get paid twice, too?
[17:20] <Chipaca> Saviq: mzanetti: __lucio__: Wellark: sent. Holler if time is wrong.
[17:21] <mzanetti> Chipaca: it does conflict with unity8 standup. But if its just once still works for me
[17:21] <mzanetti> I guess the same for Saviq
[17:22] <Chipaca> this is a one-off, yes; but also, we can move it
[17:22] <Chipaca> i just threw it in there
[17:22] <Saviq> Chipaca, should be fine
[17:32] <seb128> Chipaca, I'm back, there is quite some backlog and I'm not sure I want to read it, do you still have questions for me?
[17:33] <Chipaca> seb128: nothing but praise, sir. Nothing but praise.
[17:33] <seb128> haha, good ;-)
[18:08] <tvoss> asac, ping
[18:48] <hallyn> (stupid q alert) will autoconf always cause libraries to be built before binaries in a pkg?
[18:49] <hallyn> it's *doing* it, just wondering ifi need to be leaving hints so it will always do it for the binaries depending on the libraries
[19:03] <smoser> anyone else recently tried 'do-release-upgrade -d' from precise (to trusty)?
[19:03] <smoser> i'm prompted on /etc/default/rcS
[19:03] <smoser> a file i didn't chnage
[20:24] <cjwatson> hallyn: autoconf doesn't have a whole lot to do with it; that's more at the automake level.  if you've told automake that the binary is linked against the library then it'll finish building the library before attempting the link
[20:31] <hallyn> cjwatson: but is adding "-lmylib" to binary_LDADD enough to tell automake that?
[20:31] <hallyn> i expect so...
[20:34] <cjwatson> hallyn: should be
[20:34] <hallyn> cool, thanks
[20:34] <hallyn> (like i say it *is* working, but that could have been coincidence :)
[20:36] <cjwatson> hallyn: I think, anyway.  I'd recommend looking at the generated Makefile.in to see if it has the right dependencies
[20:37] <cjwatson> I believe you're safe in relying on inspection at this level


[07:14] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <sil2100> Morning o/
[08:01] <Unit193> Howdy.
[08:59]  * Transfusion does debootstap trusty /trusty and waits anxiously
[09:04] <Transfusion> > base system installed successfully
[09:04]  * Transfusion continues with the rest of the packaging guide
[14:58] <dogeydogey> I'm trying to solve this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/914028 but I can't find the text anywhere even though I've grepped for it -- can someone help me out?
[15:07] <rbasak> dogeydogey: if a grep doesn't reveal it, try looking at likely dependencies. libpkg-apt, or python-apt, or apt itself maybe?
[15:07] <rbasak> PackageKit?
[15:08] <rbasak> I don't know much about how the software center interacts with other pieces here - this is just where I'd look.
[20:58] <ddsss>  so - what's the sequence in which targets are executed in debian/rules file?


[04:01] <P1ro> Hi, i cant login from terminal/local keyboard, only tru ssh, and cant do sudo su ill get ( su: cannot open session: Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session ) BUT sudo -u root /bin/bash does work ok, or any other sudo commando directly, what could be the issue with users ?
[04:04] <MTecknology> look at auth.log and syslog
[04:04] <sarnold> oh hey MTecknology :)
[04:05] <sarnold> poke around in /etc/pam.d/ and see if any of those configs look funny vs the others
[04:05] <MTecknology> sarnold: I'll give you $5k to fix my crap
[04:05] <MTecknology> also, hi :)
[04:05] <sarnold> MTecknology: lol :D
[04:06] <MTecknology> this looks like a helpful link -> https://serverfault.com/questions/90400/how-to-check-for-modified-config-files-on-a-debian-system
[04:16] <MTecknology> sarnold: I'm serious about that $5k ... I need a generic way to create an ubuntu installer (iso & ipxe) and I'm kinda desperate to not leave too much brain matter behind on this wall
[04:35] <sarnold> MTecknology: oh man :/ config files on debian and derivatives are sadness :(
[04:36] <sarnold> MTecknology: the "conf files" thing from dpkg is so brutal about how upgrades are handled a ton of packages go out of their way to manage config files in other ways.. none of these are complete solutions, just suggestions towards things that help
[04:38] <MTecknology> As soon as I get a brand new kernel panic on mac+vbox7 figured out, I should be moving on to making my installation support automatic tests for both debian 11 and debian 12, and my goal is to extend that to ubuntu
[04:39] <MTecknology> the actual configuration part is handled by salt after the installation
[04:39] <MTecknology> (still my teckhost thing)
[04:40] <MTecknology> https://github.com/MTecknology/teckhost (latest commit is still failing to build/test)
[04:42] <MTecknology> maxcpus=0 seems like it might have helped, but I haven't been able to run any test long enough. That might require over 2x the amount of time to test
[04:44] <sarnold> MTecknology: hmm, I keep hearing that there's a decent tool for making customized ubuntu images but I can't find the thing. I'm finding some repos with garbage docs and some repos with *very* garbage docs ..
[04:44] <MTecknology> 1) make debian12 work 2) add support for multiple distros/releases 3) make sure debian11 still works 4) figure out how to make ubuntu work at all 5) work that into the test stack
[04:44] <P1ro> ohhh, thanks, well i have not auth or syslog under /var/log/...
[04:44] <P1ro> the modd files on debian its a realy good link
[04:44] <sarnold> P1ro: very weird. what else is wrong with this system??
[04:44] <MTecknology> P1ro: dmesg
[04:45] <MTecknology> sounds like you should be investigating this from a live image
[04:45] <P1ro> well i can log from ssh, root with sudo -u root /bin/bash
[04:45] <MTecknology> sarnold: If you find it and it actually works, I'll donate $50 to the project and $200 to your favorite charity (and buy you a venbeer)
[04:47] <sarnold> MTecknology: mason's put a fair amount of effort into getting installers for debian and ubuntu, it's possible he's got something that might work for you -- but he might also have diametrically opposed ideas about what would work, too
[04:47] <P1ro> sarnold: that could be a good tool, normally i have to install on a small usb, then create img from usb
[04:47] <sarnold> P1ro: yeah, a lot of people want something like it :)
[04:48] <P1ro> and well i was messing with limits.conf (max open files memory) some stuff, where i can found the default system files ?
[04:48] <sarnold> P1ro: the usual stock-answer of "use a cloud-image and supply a cloud-init control file" often isn't very satisfying
[04:48] <MTecknology> my current iso builder for debian -> https://github.com/MTecknology/teckhost/blob/master/iso/build_iso
[04:49] <P1ro> sarnold: gentoo got one, dont know why there is none for debian, ubuntu, etc.
[04:50] <MTecknology> cloud-init is a massive mess of haphazard junk tossed into a bucket and given a .deb as a pretty bow ...
[04:51] <sarnold> P1ro: if you've got your apt sources configured with deb-src lines, you could apt-get source libpam-modules   to download the sources for the package that owns that file .. or you could use dpkg's --force-confnew flag .. that's pretty inconvenient, I'm not sure how to do that one
[04:51] <MTecknology> I'm pretty sure I even saw it describe itself that way
[04:51] <sarnold> MTecknology: lol, sounds right :)
[04:56] <sarnold> MTecknology: OH! I think this was the thing I was thinking of https://github.com/ubuntu-bartenders/ubuntu-old-fashioned?tab=readme-ov-file -- but there's way more references to cloud providers in here than I thought
[05:02] <MTecknology> I don't think I understand the documentation for this. Is this capable of building an installer, or is it meant for making cloud-based images targeted for specific platforms?
[05:09] <sarnold> I *think* it's intended to build an installed image, not an installer .. :(
[05:10] <MTecknology> ah, I need an installer
[05:11] <MTecknology> but certainly has a similar spirit :)
[05:24] <sarnold> MTecknology: I'm off for the night, good to see you again :)
[06:02] <rbox> nb 2516m4hg3bbbbbb983+
[06:16] <MTecknology> should I take the hint and give up for the night?
[08:18] <radiant241> I'm on Windows10 + Xubuntu +NixOS (last one is on a separate disk). I want to try fixing my windows with Dism commands and such. It may cause problems to my boot order. Meaning I may lose access to any of these OSes or all of them.I have USB disks. What should I burn to my USB disks so I can recover my NixOS or Ubuntu OSes should any problems
[08:18] <radiant241> occur?
[08:18] <radiant241> are systemresque and sparkylinux enough for this?
[08:21] <MTecknology> "burn to usb" ??
[08:21] <MTecknology> might wanna look into something like ventoy
[08:24] <radiant241> MTecknology yeah but I'm wondering if I actually need a ubuntu live image to fix ubuntu or can I use those two distros to fix grub or systemd-boot or stuff
[08:24] <radiant241> Also how to know about my boot order? whether I use GRUB or anything else?
[08:24] <MTecknology> ah, gotcha finnix is a good one to add
[10:16] <ecm> Слава Україні!
[11:10] <thisisjaymehta> You know we dont study Russian in school. It would help if you write in English.
[11:18] <thisisjaymehta> I need help with setting a command to autorun at startup.
[11:19] <thisisjaymehta> This is the command: pacmd load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:Audio,1 control='PCM',1
[11:20] <thisisjaymehta> I added it in crontab with @reboot, but it doesn't work
[12:01] <zamba> is 1:7.6p1-4ubuntu0.7 considered safe for CVE-2023-38408?
[12:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu- The PKCS#11 feature in ssh-agent in OpenSSH before 9.3p2 has an insufficiently trustworthy search path, leading to remote code execution if an agent is forwarded to an attacker-controlled system. (Code in /usr/lib is not necessarily safe for loading into ssh-agent.) NOTE: this issue exists because of an incomplete fix for CVE-2016-10009. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-38408>
[12:01] <zamba> it seems like versions before this is vulnerable: 1:7.6p1-4ubuntu0.7+esm1)available with ubuntu pro or ubuntu pro (infra-only
[12:02] <zamba> but i don't have +esm1. do i need ubuntu pro to get the security patch? what's the deal?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:28] <tuxinator> hi
[13:29] <tuxinator> no matter what i do, my apparmor always complains this when starting/restarting cups-browsed even if i add a profile and change it to complain mode https://pastebin.com/2uCVzwag
[15:02] <willcl-ark> I'm having issues using `perf` on 23.10.. many error messages of the form "addr2line /root/.debug/.build-id/fb/<id>/elf: could not read first record". Just wondering if there are any known issues with this in kernel 6.5.0-17 ?
[15:04] <leftyfb> willcl-ark: apt-cache policy iperf | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:15] <willcl-ark> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/b87y
[15:16] <leftyfb> willcl-ark: how did you install iperf?
[15:16] <willcl-ark> sorry, it's perf i'm struggling with, not iperf
[15:17] <willcl-ark> from binutils
[15:17] <leftyfb> ah, it's from linux-tools-common
[15:18] <oerheks> !info perf-tools-unstable
[15:30] <ogra_> ravage, uh, what evil did you do to get stgraber so upset ?
[15:31]  * ogra_ would have asked in #ubuntu-discuss, but ravage isnt there ...
[15:34] <ravage> heh
[15:34] <ravage> i started an nginx proxy for about an hour
[15:34] <ravage> seems to be evil
[15:34] <ravage> wanted to understand how they block lxd out. was a success 🙂
[15:35] <ogra_> obviously evil enough to have him post on your membership application
[15:35] <ravage> yep i saw it. let him post whatever he likes
[15:35] <ravage> the post does not say anything really
[15:35] <ogra_> it says you are an abusive person ...
[15:36] <ravage> i find his post kind of toxic. not sure who the bad person is here
[15:36] <ravage> but hey
[15:36] <ravage> "i do not know you at all... but"
[15:37] <leftyfb> It sounds to me like ravage was just testing workarounds for community-hostile actions by an open source project
[15:37] <ogra_> yeah ... i know stephane pretty well and am rather shocked by him in recent times
[15:38] <ravage> it really was just because i was curious what that all is about
[15:38] <ravage> and i needed to spawn a debian container for a test 🙂
[15:38] <ravage> let me join discuss with my bridge
[16:04] <mcc> Hello, I am attempting to run a closed-source program on amd64. It depends on libc++, and it is failing with the run-time link error `undefined symbol: _ZNSt3__123__libcpp_debug_functionE` . I have tried installing both the libc++1.16 and libc++1.17 packages, both exhibit the error. I suspect they expect some specific version or distribution of libc++ but have struggled getting the vendor to explain the exact environment they expect.
[16:05] <mcc> Is there any coherent way of figuring out what the different way between the linked libc++ and my local libc++ could be, given that mangled symbol name?
[16:10] <mcc> hmm, ok. digging around in release notes it appears I need libc++1.14 :(
[16:11] <ogra_> mcc, you could use pbjdump or some such to find the libc version the binary actually wants ... if it matches any LTS version of ubuntu you could try to package it as a snap as "just installing" a different libc (or libstdc++) will likely cause problems if not put away inside some containerization
[16:11] <ogra_> s/pbjdump/objdump/
[16:11] <mcc> ok. i was about to ask if i was gonna need docker or something but snap is an interesting idea
[16:12] <mcc> i tested by installing libc++1.14 and it worked, but libc++1.15 doesn't
[16:12] <mcc> your point about not screwing up the rest of my system is taken D: in this case tho i didn't even have libc++ installed until i installed this app
[16:14] <ogra_> docker might work too ... i personally just find snaps easier to create 🙂
[16:14] <mcc> that makes sense. i don't know how to use either :O but i've already got snapd on this machine but not docker so snapd would be more natural.
[16:17] <mcc> Wait, this is weird. This is really weird.
[16:17] <mcc> https://reviews.llvm.org/D127360
[16:18] <mcc> "This commit removed symbols implementing debug mode in the non-debug configuration of the library. Using the debug mode now requires a differently-configured version of libc++."
[16:19] <mcc> That's… I think from the libc++ 15 release notes, but I can't find the true release notes page
[16:19] <mcc> https://libcxx.llvm.org/ReleaseNotes/18.html
[16:19] <mcc> This site has release notes for 18 and 19 but not earlier versions…
[16:20] <mcc> "By default, the legacy debug mode symbols are not provided with the library anymore. If you are a vendor and need to re-enable them, please use the LIBCXX_ENABLE_BACKWARDS_COMPATIBILITY_DEBUG_MODE_SYMBOLS CMake flag, and contact the libc++ developers as this will be removed in LLVM 16. Furthermore, please note that LIBCXX_ENABLE_DEBUG_MODE_SUPPORT is not honored anymore." well I guess that's besides the point.
[19:55] <esc4rg0t__> Is there any fix for "Warning firmware error detected FWSM:..." on Ubuntu Server LTS regarding ixgbe driver?...
[20:25] <topcat001> willcl-ark: Are you trying to record DWARF call stacks?
[20:26] <ashafq> I think Ubuntu erased my UEFI boot. Is there a way to get it back?
[20:31] <mdw> ashafq: as another OS boot entry?
[20:32] <mdw> *as in
[20:32] <oerheks> !uefi
[20:32] <oerheks> how do you tell ubuntu wiped uefi ?
[20:33] <mdw> I presume they are talking about a boot entry being missing, likely needs to readd it with efibootmgr
[20:45] <Luminel> Hey!
[20:45] <Luminel> ubuntu users don't use IRC anymore?
[20:45] <arraybolt3> yeah we do
[20:46] <arraybolt3> we're getting Matrix added on as a new primary chat platform for support and whatnot, but IRC will remain supported for the foreseeable future
[20:48] <ashafq> mdw: I think somehow the encryption key got wiped from TPM and the PC no longer recognize /dev/nvme*,
[20:49] <ashafq> I can't even mount it with a recovery disk
[20:49] <ashafq> Unless I am missing something.
[20:49] <ashafq> lspci shows the device, but not lsblk.
[20:53] <ashafq> There are no "official support" for this, is there? I would love to pay someone just to fix it as I don't have the time to fix it.
[20:58] <sarnold> MTecknology: I heard back that https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-image is the 'current official' tool for building images
[20:59] <oerheks> >> https://snapcraft.io/ubuntu-image
[21:04] <MTecknology> snap exclusive, eh? that's cute
[21:06] <oerheks> no, one could build it easily
[21:14] <MTecknology> My chuckle is toward the distribution method, not the project itself. It's a golang project, so plenty of other distribution methods are trivial ... they just want to push their pet project
[21:15] <oerheks> ...
[21:18] <MTecknology> This is interesting
[21:19] <MTecknology> sarnold: I'm also looking at live-build; it looks like it could be a "generic" approach that uses debootstrap and works for debian and ubuntu.
[22:33] <seer__> what are the "downsides" to enabling ubuntu pro?  (And my opensource system is pushing me to a $ubscription $ervice!!  ??)
[22:34] <seer__> What are the downsides of not installing ubuntu pro?
[22:34] <jeremy31> seer__: Isn't Ubuntu Pro free?
[22:34] <arraybolt3> it is
[22:34] <ravage> You don't get the Updates
[22:34] <ravage> That's the downside
[22:34] <arraybolt3> of not enabling it
[22:35] <jeremy31> Might be a topic better off in #ubuntu-discuss
[22:35] <arraybolt3> I'm not aware of any downsides with enabling it, unless your OEM explicitly doesn't support it
[22:35] <cbreak> I don't see any point in using ubuntu pro
[22:35] <ravage> Then don't
[22:35] <cbreak> indeed.
[22:36] <leftyfb> cbreak: seer__: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-pro-faq/34042
[22:38] <seer__> I found this vague article (it seems particular but it isnt) https://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/ubuntu-pro-vs-ubuntu
[22:39] <seer__> thanks leftyfb
[22:40] <leftyfb> seer__: that article is half-truths
[22:40] <leftyfb> the one you posted
[22:45] <MTecknology> It looks like the most useful bit of info is underneath "What if I don’t want to opt-in to Ubuntu Pro? [...]"  It sounds like "ubuntu pro" is ~"Universe security updates are covered by a dedicated team"
[22:47] <leftyfb> MTecknology: if you don't want to enable pro, your system functions exactly the way it has up till now, with some nagging when you run updated in the CLI and now GUI, though I think there's workarounds to disable that
[22:47] <leftyfb> Pro is Canonical updating packages from the universe repo which historically were only updated by community maintainers
[22:48] <leftyfb> for the most part
[22:48] <leftyfb> the other features are kernel livepatching and additional security not typically implemented by individuals
[22:53] <seer__> goed zo


[05:43] <superm1_> OpenMediaSupport, I recored a little of Live Earth myself - weighed in at 11.5 gigs for 2 hrs
[05:46] <OpenMediaSupport>  59G Jul  8 15:46 4921_20070707194700.mpg
[05:47] <OpenMediaSupport> 19 Hrs in SD
[05:47] <OpenMediaSupport> Well nearly 20 hours
[01:27] <torkel> does anybody have any idea how to make subtitles work with the Internal videoplayer? mythfrontend -v playback says it loads the .srt file, but nothing is shown
[01:27] <torkel> using mplayer it works, and when viewing the video outside myth using xine it also works
[01:30] <laga> torkel: hit "t"
[01:39] <torkel> laga: thanks, that seemed to do it.
[01:39] <laga> :)
[02:37] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_:  You around?
[02:39] <OpenMediaSupport> Hmmm probably playing games ;)
[02:40] <laga> probably asleep :)
[02:41] <OpenMediaSupport> Yeah.. Just been watching some of my 67Gb of Live Earth footage. Great stress test having a single 22hr program
[02:41] <laga> nice :)
[02:41] <OpenMediaSupport> Hell yeah.. SD (here in NZ) but good bitrate.
[02:42] <OpenMediaSupport> Wide screen anamorphic DVB-S
[02:43] <OpenMediaSupport> Linkin Park's Set in Japan was awesome. Still haven't reached the end of tha AU/JP stuff yet as we were out last night
[02:43] <laga> nifty
[02:44] <OpenMediaSupport> is it worth the fight ;)
[02:45] <laga> i hope so. i want a nice xmltv grabber ;)
[02:45] <OpenMediaSupport> Ah for DE?
[02:45] <laga> jop
[02:45] <laga> s/jop/yep/
[02:49] <OpenMediaSupport> :)
[02:50] <OpenMediaSupport> Think i'm done for the night. Enjoy your perl
[02:50] <laga> thanks
[02:51] <laga> good night to you :)
[03:40] <laga> !docs
[03:40] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[03:58] <superm1_> OpenMediaSupport, i'm here
[03:58] <superm1_> just woke up
[03:58] <laga> heh
[03:58] <laga> he's just gone to bed
[03:58] <laga> morning superm1_
[03:58] <superm1_> morning laga
[03:59] <laga> i don't drink caffeine either.
[03:59] <superm1_> give it up for health reasons?
[04:00] <laga> kinda. i decided i don't need it.
[04:00] <superm1_> ah
[04:00] <laga> gave up on soda as well
[04:00] <superm1_> i started on giving up soda some 7 or 8 years ago
[04:01] <superm1_> then gave up caffeine all together a year or two ago
[04:01] <laga> i did it.. a few months ago
[04:01] <superm1_> its a bit of rough transition eh?
[04:01] <laga> when i had my finals, i was way too nervous.
[04:01] <laga> heh
[04:02] <laga> yup
[04:02] <laga> especially because a lot of caffeine *can* feel good.
[04:02] <superm1_> well i make *one exception to the rule
[04:02] <superm1_> when you mix in hard liquor
[04:02] <superm1_> but thats rare enough that it is insignificant
[04:03] <laga> yup
[04:03] <laga> or beer and soda
[04:03] <laga> (yes, it's rather popular in germany)
[04:03] <superm1_> mixed together?
[04:03] <superm1_> or just drank together
[04:03] <laga> mixed together
[04:03] <laga> http://www.cc-lautertal.de/ccNews/upload/2_8085169974_mixery_gr.jpg
[04:04] <laga> stuff like mixery is rather popular
[04:04] <superm1_> interesting
[04:06] <laga> i could send ya some if you wanted me to ;)
[04:06] <superm1_> well i'll make a point of it to try some when i make it out towards that side of the water
[04:07] <superm1_> is it popular only in germany?
[04:07] <superm1_> or across other countries near by too
[04:07] <laga> i don't know.
[04:07] <laga> you'll find out :)
[04:08] <superm1_> hopefully some time next year i'll sort out my passport and do some sort of EU trip right after school is finished but before I start a full time job
[04:08] <superm1_> so i'll see
[04:25] <laga> :)
[04:25] <laga> i'll go enjoy my happy meal now...
[04:41] <superm1> laga, okay the mythweb is all cleaned up.  revno 16 of the branch in -fixes is functional and works as expected
[04:42] <superm1> laga, are you a kde or gnome user?  (as a gnome user i just discovered a very nice graphical merging tool)
[07:12] <MrBarby> hi
[07:13] <MrBarby> i have a problem with my myth install - whenever i try and change channel using the programme guide, it goes back to live tv but doesn't change the channel.  It works in browse mode, and will sometime change to a radio channel but will not change off it.  Any ideas?
[07:18] <superm1> hi MrBarby
[07:18] <superm1> are you using an external channel changer?
[07:18] <MrBarby> no
[07:18] <MrBarby> internal pci dvb-t tuner
[07:18] <MrBarby> i'm in the uk
[07:18] <superm1> okay check out /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log then
[07:18] <superm1> as you try to change channels
[07:18] <superm1> see if it is having any difficulties there
[07:19] <MrBarby> anything in particular i should be looking out for?
[07:19] <MrBarby> i've had a look previously and nothing has stood out
[07:19] <MrBarby> i'll have another check
[07:20] <MrBarby> i get Preview Error: Previewer file '/var/lib/mythtv/recording
[07:20] <MrBarby> s/1501_20070708143110.mpg' is not valid.
[07:20] <MrBarby> is that related?
[07:22] <MrBarby> [mpeg2video @ 0xb72282e8] mb incr damaged
[07:22] <MrBarby> [mpeg2video @ 0xb72282e8] ac-tex damaged at 1 34
[07:22] <MrBarby> [mpeg2video @ 0xb72282e8] ac-tex damaged at 5 35
[07:22] <MrBarby> that's the only other thing that looks bad
[07:22] <MrBarby> Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212
[07:23] <MrBarby> i don't think that last one happened at the same time as a channel change though
[07:23] <MrBarby> and i can change to these channels fine if i use browse mode when watching live tv
[07:24] <MrBarby> thanks for trying to help btw
[07:51] <superm1> sorry stepped out for a moment
[07:51] <superm1> depending on when that previewer error came up
[07:51] <superm1> that could be it
[07:51] <superm1> is there anything at the end of dmesg that matches the same time this was happening?
[07:52] <superm1> and if you schedule a recording, does the recording not change stations as well?
[08:44] <MrBarby> heh, just been out as well
[08:44] <MrBarby> last time I tried to change channel nothing was loggod
[08:45] <MrBarby> so i doubt it was that error :(
[09:17] <williammanda> hey guys
[09:18] <williammanda> i have two problems.....
[09:19] <williammanda> lirc isn't loading.....i'm not sure if it is that I installed it after the mythtv install or not
[09:20] <williammanda> second problem....
[09:21] <williammanda> one of my cpu's is maxing out ...100% and causing my HD livetv & playback to pause
[09:26] <williammanda> this is what I get when I start the frontend...
[09:26] <williammanda> william@C2D:~$ mythfrontend
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.861 Using runtime prefix = /usr
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.870 Gnome-Screensaver support enabled
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.870 DPMS is active.
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.883 New DB connection, total: 1
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.887 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.888 Total desktop dim: 1360x765, with 1 screen[s] .
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.890 Running in a window
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.890 Using screen 0, 1360x753 at 0,6
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.898 Current Schema Version: 1160
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.898 mythfrontend version: 0.20.20060828-3 www.mythtv.org
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:34.898 Enabled verbose msgs:  important general
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:35.446 Total desktop dim: 1360x765, with 1 screen[s] .
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:35.448 Running in a window
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:35.448 Using screen 0, 1360x753 at 0,6
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:35.450 Switching to square mode (G.A.N.T.)
[09:26] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:35.468 Using the Qt painter
[09:26] <williammanda> mythtv: could not connect to socket
[09:27] <williammanda> mythtv: Connection refused
[09:27] <williammanda> lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages
[09:27] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:36.154 Joystick disabled.
[09:27] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:36.658 Loading from: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./base.xml
[09:27] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:36.681 Loading from: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml
[09:27] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:25:36.731 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin.
[09:38] <racerscl2000> Greetings everyone...
[09:41] <racerscl2000> I was wondering if anyone on here has any problems configuring MythTV Backend on Feisty? Mine istalled the packages and everything but the MySQL tables don't seem to all be there. For example I start up mythtv-setup and after going through the configuration and I do a mythfilldatabase, it says the table mythconverg.videosource table does not exist. Any ideas why?
[09:42] <racerscl2000> Been strugling with just trying to get the darn thing up now for a week... any help at this point would be most graciously aprreciated.
[09:46] <racerscl2000> Could anyone help out on this?
[09:47] <williammanda> I can't help...sorry
[09:49] <racerscl2000> Is there anyone here that had a similar problem when trying to run mythfilldatabase?
[09:53] <MrBarby> i'm no expert... but have you changed any of the ip settings in the various config bits?
[09:53] <MrBarby> i got mythtv set up on feisty just fine
[09:53] <MrBarby> apart from my channel changing issues :(
[09:54] <williammanda> here is the output when watching SDTV....
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:51:59.868 New DB connection, total: 2
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:51:59.885 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:00.014 Connecting to backend server: <IP_ADDRESS>:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:00.019 Using protocol version 31
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:00.075 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:00.077 Using protocol version 31
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:01.358 DPMS Deactivated
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:01.636 AFD: Opened codec 0x66b8800, id(MPEG2VIDEO) type(Video)
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:01.704 AFD: Opened codec 0x66b8ca0, id(MP2) type(Audio)
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:02.047 Opening ALSA audio device 'default'.
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:02.335 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:02.337 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture'
[09:54] <superm1> !pastebin | williammanda
[09:54] <williammanda> X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[09:54] <ubotu> williammanda: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:54] <williammanda>   Major opcode:  140
[09:54] <williammanda>   Minor opcode:  14
[09:54] <williammanda>   Resource id:  0x19d
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:03.212 New DB connection, total: 3
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:03.212 Realtime priority would require SUID as root.
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:03.218 TV: Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:03.234 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:03.366 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait
[09:54] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 15:52:06.327 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./ui.xml
[09:54] <williammanda> sure sorry
[09:55] <superm1> williammanda, you will want to try adding UseEvents "True"
[09:55] <superm1> to your xorg.conf
[09:55] <MrBarby> have you set the gui and tv to have different sizes?
[09:55] <superm1> and also turning off the vsync settings in nvidia-settings
[09:55] <superm1> As for your deinterlacer: set it to bob
[09:56] <superm1> racerscl2000, are you still here?
[09:56] <superm1> i can give you a hand too if you want
[09:56] <racerscl2000> Oh that would be great!
[09:56] <superm1> MrBarby, can you change settings outside of myth?
[09:56] <superm1> racerscl2000, you might have hit some database corruption
[09:56] <superm1> i've seen it happen a few times
[09:56] <superm1> easiest way to reset the database
[09:57] <racerscl2000> I think so because the database called mythconverg is quite small (few tables).
[09:57] <superm1> sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv-database mysql-server-5.0 && sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 myth
[09:57] <superm1> and tell it to drop the database when given the option
[09:57] <superm1> and then just reinstall the meta package you originally chose
[09:57] <superm1> 'mythtv' or mythtv-backend-master
[09:58] <superm1> or similar
[09:58] <racerscl2000> OK cool... I am doing that now...
[09:58] <superm1> k :)
[09:58] <superm1> MrBarby, i mean like can you change stations outside of myth
[10:00] <MrBarby> i haven't tried
[10:01] <MrBarby> since i can change stations inside myth if i use up and down
[10:01] <MrBarby> just not through the program guide
[10:01] <MrBarby> how would you change stations outside of myth?
[10:01] <superm1> oh i didnt realize you could change via up and down
[10:02] <superm1> okay, and you have browse mode enabled?
[10:02] <MrBarby> yeah
[10:02] <superm1> well that's particularly odd then..
[10:03] <MrBarby> yeah
[10:03] <MrBarby> i've tried enableing the select to change channel in the guide thing
[10:03] <MrBarby> but it has no effect
[10:03] <superm1> you might want to direct this at #mythtv-users then or the mailing list
[10:04] <MrBarby> i've also tried the version of myth in the feisty repositiories and the mythbuntu ones
[10:04] <MrBarby> where's #mythtv-users?
[10:04] <MrBarby> i've sent a mail to the list already
[10:05] <superm1> just type in your IRC client: "/join #mythtv-users"
[10:05] <superm1> (without the quotes)
[10:06] <superm1> yea the version on the mythbuntu repositories was just built yesterday, so its a brand new checkout
[10:07] <MrBarby> cool, thanks
[10:08] <racerscl2000> superm1- Thanks a lot... I think that did it.
[10:08] <superm1> great racerscl2000 :)
[10:08] <racerscl2000> I am able to see the objects now after configuring them...
[10:08] <racerscl2000> Like the video source and the vcc.
[10:08] <superm1> yea i'm not sure really why the db corruption happens to some people - but it does
[10:08] <racerscl2000> Weird...
[10:09] <superm1> i've only had happen to me once ever in a virtual machine, and could never reproduce it
[10:09] <racerscl2000> Oh one more thing... doe zap2it still work?
[10:09] <superm1> yes
[10:09] <superm1> up through september
[10:09] <racerscl2000> Ok that was what I thought.
[10:09] <racerscl2000> Coolness.
[10:10] <racerscl2000> I am using an Avermedia card and it might not work... bt878 chipset.
[10:10] <racerscl2000> Having issues with picture since last night using xawtv
[10:10] <superm1> yick... framegrabber cards
[10:11] <racerscl2000> Yeah I was going to purchase 2 cards... PVR-150 and pc-HDTV5500
[10:11] <superm1> good choices
[10:11] <racerscl2000> May do that after I configure Myth.
[10:11] <racerscl2000> Does it take long for zap2it to grab information?
[10:12] <superm1> the first time yes
[10:12] <superm1> 5-15 min
[10:12] <racerscl2000> Ok cool.
[10:13] <racerscl2000> Then I am on track... Thanks a huge bunch!
[10:13] <racerscl2000> Your information is very much appreciated.
[10:16] <superm1> not a problem :)
[10:52] <OpenMediaSupport> Morning
[10:52] <superm1> hi OpenMediaSupport
[10:52] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1: How can you work in IT and not drink Caffine ;)
[10:53] <OpenMediaSupport> Well my stress test worked fine. Got 67Gb of Live Earth, Widescreen SD anamorphic off DVB-S
[10:53] <superm1> i gave it up years ago back when i used to run cross country and track, and kept the habit.  if not for x-country/track though i have a feeling i'd be awfully hooked on it still
[10:53] <superm1> wow that's a lot of Live Earth :)
[10:54] <superm1> they ran it for how many hours by you guys?
[10:54] <OpenMediaSupport> 22hrs. By the time I allowed for slack I got close to 22.5 hrs
[10:55] <superm1> wow they must have aired a lot more of it for you then me
[10:55] <superm1> i got one or two songs from most bands
[10:55] <OpenMediaSupport> Basically C4 here in NZ carried  the full international feed, so we started from Sydney+Tokyo and then worked around the globe
[10:58] <superm1> that's awesome
[10:58] <superm1> i wish they did it that way for us too
[10:58] <superm1> so you caught all of linkin park's show then in tokyo?
[10:58] <OpenMediaSupport> Think we got 6 tracks
[10:58] <superm1> yea we had one :(
[10:58] <OpenMediaSupport> I was watching that last night.
[10:59] <OpenMediaSupport> Can you play PAL DVD?
[10:59] <superm1> I don't see why i wouldnt be able to?
[10:59] <superm1> it would just be off a little bit on my tv
[10:59] <OpenMediaSupport> I'll see what I can do
[10:59] <superm1> oh you mean like bring it with to ULive?
[11:00] <OpenMediaSupport> If I have time to author it. I doubt it at this point though. Still trying to work out which bits I want to keep.
[11:00] <superm1> oh just bring the file in native format :)
[11:00] <superm1> i'd watch it on myth anyway :S
[11:00] <OpenMediaSupport> All 67Gb ;)
[11:00] <superm1> haha
[11:04] <superm1> so was this 67gb your first recording using mythbuntu then?
[11:04] <superm1> or was it on a normal myPVR boxen
[11:07] <OpenMediaSupport> Normal myPVR build. I wasn't taking any chances with this one.
[11:11] <superm1> ah
[11:11] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, what remotes do you guys use in your builds?
[11:11] <superm1> i'm working on lirc stuff today
[11:40] <superm1> whoops.  lost my wifi there.  OpenMediaSupport did you respond?
[11:43] <OpenMediaSupport> http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/view/27/58/
[11:44] <OpenMediaSupport> normal mce2 compliant remotes usually, Although I also have some that work with serial lirc
[11:44] <superm1> okay
[11:44] <superm1> well my plan at this point is to have a few supported via installer
[11:44] <superm1> that are mceusb mceusb2
[11:44] <superm1> hauppauge
[11:44] <OpenMediaSupport> By adding the additional key bindings we can make all of the hotkeys on the remote work.
[11:44] <superm1> and then add as people have other ones they want supported
[11:45] <OpenMediaSupport> eg Ctrl+Alt+T jumps to Live TV.
[11:45] <OpenMediaSupport> Ctrl+Alt+V = Videos
[11:45] <OpenMediaSupport> I tried to bring up that we need some standards on the Myth mailing list, but no one seemed to be interested.
[11:46] <superm1> what is the default bind key for that sort of thing?
[11:46] <superm1> (are there any by default)
[11:46] <OpenMediaSupport> There aren't any
[11:46] <superm1> ah okay
[11:46] <superm1> i've never touched those keys on my mceusb2 remote, so wasnt sure :)
[11:47] <OpenMediaSupport> When we first released they wern't mapped and customers were constantly complaining about the "dead" keys
[11:47] <superm1> so in one of your postinst scripts, you bind those keys via a few SQL commands i'd imagine?
[11:47] <OpenMediaSupport> Yup
[11:48] <OpenMediaSupport> Gotta bale. I have a meeting in town. Catch you later
[11:49] <superm1> k cya
[12:06] <williammanda> back.....
[12:06] <williammanda> found out my cpu was dusty...lol
[12:06] <williammanda> cleaned out the dust and the usage went down
[12:06] <superm1> thats good :)
[12:06] <williammanda> :)
[12:07] <williammanda> still need help with lirc though
[12:07] <williammanda> 2007-07-08 18:05:32.665 Using the Qt painter
[12:07] <williammanda> mythtv: could not connect to socket
[12:07] <williammanda> mythtv: Connection refused
[12:07] <williammanda> lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages
[12:07] <superm1> is lircd running?
[12:07] <williammanda> this is what is on the frontend
[12:07] <williammanda> yes lircd is running
[12:08] <superm1> is it running after the frontend tries to connect then?
[12:08] <williammanda> let me see
[12:12] <williammanda> k
[12:13] <williammanda> it wasn't running before mythtv...
[12:13] <superm1> :)
[12:13] <williammanda> now lircd is running then mythtv
[12:13] <superm1> and then is it running after mythtv tries to connect to it?
[12:13] <williammanda> i don't get that message now but .....
[12:15] <williammanda> the remote still isn't working in myth
[12:15] <williammanda> but i do get responses on irw
[12:15] <williammanda> root@C2D:/home/william# /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[12:15] <williammanda> Stopping lirc daemon: lircmd lircd.
[12:15] <williammanda> Starting lirc daemon: lircd lircmd.
[12:15] <williammanda> root@C2D:/home/william# irw
[12:15] <williammanda> 000000146f9a0000 00 UP Snapstream
[12:15] <superm1> okay then do you have a ~/.lircrc
[12:15] <superm1> and a ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[12:16] <superm1> (look closely at those dots)
[12:16] <williammanda> yes...both
[12:16] <superm1> you will want to check your syntax in ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[12:16] <superm1> and make sure everything looks good
[12:16] <superm1> you can do this using ircat
[12:16] <williammanda> ircat?
[12:17] <superm1> ircat diagnoses a broken .lircrc file
[12:17] <superm1> similar to how irw diagnoses a lircd.conf
[12:17] <superm1> likely you'll use a command like this
[12:17] <superm1> $ircat -c ~/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv
[12:26] <williammanda> myth keeps sqwacking about the blank lines in between each command......
[12:26] <williammanda> strange...this file worked fine before
[12:26] <superm1> well so ircat is telling you whats wrong :)
[12:27] <williammanda> haven't tried that yet
[12:27] <williammanda> " in /home/william/.mythtv/lircrc:19 ignored
[12:27] <williammanda> " in /home/william/.mythtv/lircrc:21 ignored
[12:27] <williammanda> mythtv: bad file format, /home/william/.mythtv/lircrc:22
[12:27] <williammanda> Failed to read lirc config /home/william/.mythtv/lircrc for mythtv


[09:22] <santa_> good morning everyone
[09:22] <santa_> tsimonq2: that ssh key is correct, and thanks for the info about lang packs and the good communication
[09:24] <santa_> RikMills: comment #12 on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/708661 sounds like a fix/workaround for the riscv situation
[09:24] <santa_> regarding the status of the packages:
[09:25] <santa_> - fw 5.113: ready to be uploaded
[09:26] <santa_> - plasma 5.27.10: I would need to check, but it's fully built
[09:26] <santa_> - apps 23.08.4: same as plasma
[09:27] <santa_> I hope to have some time to have a look into the last remaining bits (if any) of plasma and apps today
[09:28] <santa_> and that's it from my from front for now, have a nice day :)
[10:44] <RikMills> santa_: thanks
[10:45] <RikMills> plasma looks ok to me on qa pages, so I wiuld like to get on with that
[10:46] <RikMills> leave fw until last, as it is a big stack to build with not really many fixes now
[10:46] <santa_> RikMills: sure, there's a new bd warning in discover if I remember well about libappstream-qt
[10:47] <RikMills> santa_: That seem to be that it would just prefer to have appstream 1.0 now, but is ok with earlier
[10:48] <santa_> ack
[10:48] <RikMills> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/commit/2b7c8508b407453e6b6f1f5f52c75f1575c5821f
[10:48] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Commit 2b7c850 in plasma/discover "AppStream 1.0: Use #ifdef to support both stable and 0.x versions"
[11:27] <RikMills> plasma uploaded. pushing git
 <3
 santa_: Of course, happy to help :)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:15] <tsimonq2> mmikowski: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/0.20.0-2ubuntu1
[16:15] <tsimonq2> mmikowski: Looks like RikMills uploaded it, which is cool!
[16:15] <mmikowski> Ah, nice.
[16:15] <tsimonq2>   * Add the xkb-data dependency, needed for the X11 xkb rules.
[16:16] <mmikowski> Here's the post on 5.27.10:
[16:17] <mmikowski> We (Kubuntu Focus) did a desktop check on 5.27.10. No regressions were found. Besides the normal test suite, we checked for issues that were testable from the published 5.27.10 change log. This is a methodical checklist that takes 3-4 hours to complete.
[16:18] <mmikowski> Changes to global themes may be more stable, as we saw no plasma shell resets this time.
[16:19] <tsimonq2> mmikowski: Do you have Telegram/Matrix? I'd like to cross-reference your Detailed List with Lubuntu's.
[16:19] <tsimonq2> (We have one that's like, 30 items long.)
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/3cef0d9c/_Testing_Checklist.html
[16:23] <tsimonq2> mmikowski: You may find that useful. ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[16:46] <RikMills> mmikowski: nice. I will copy packages over sometime this evening then
[16:48] <mmikowski> Thanks Rik!


[04:20] <johnny1243> did anyone here of any problems for the dell studio 15 line with ubuntu
[14:19] <rusibla_> hi, does anyone have a cached version of the poulsbo_ppa.sh script, because the download server gma500re.altervista.org is ofline due to traffic
[15:51] <macman_> anyone alive ?


[09:45] <Azlux> hi all, i have a problem. lxde don't want to start. so i'm on openbox since i have delete pcmanfm. I've trying to reinstall it, but still not working
[09:46] <Azlux> i suppose some setting are broken but i don't know with one
[09:47] <Azlux> idea ?
[09:48] <Azlux> i think some problem with the default program manager but i don't know what to do
[09:49] <leszek> Try to look for an error mesage in .xsession-errors
[09:50] <leszek> and yes pcmanfm is needed for lxde for drawing the desktop background
[09:50] <leszek> + icons
[09:51] <Azlux> this kind of error ?
[09:51] <Azlux> (openbox:1511): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 11 was not found when attempting to remove it
[09:52] <leszek> but openbox is working fine ?
[09:53] <Azlux> openbox yes
[09:53] <Azlux> but no lxde anymore
[09:53] <Azlux> (openbox:1511): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 11 was not found when attempting to remove it
[09:53] <leszek> yeah then this is just a warning I guess
[09:53] <leszek> pcmanfm installed ?
[09:53] <leszek> lxpanel installed ?
[09:53] <Azlux> yes and yes
[09:53] <leszek> lubuntu-desktop or lxde metapackages installed ? Maybe reinstalling them is a viable option if you removed some of lxdes components
[09:54] <Azlux> may be
[09:55] <Azlux> some dependences missing for lubuntu-desktop
[09:55] <Azlux> weird
[09:56] <Azlux> i reboot
[09:59] <Azlux> so i suppose it was that. depencies missing
[10:00] <Azlux> not it's working even if "Desktop setting" don't want to open itself
[10:00] <Azlux> than you leszek
[10:01] <Azlux> because desktop manager is not active ... O.O
[10:12] <Azlux> so with "pcmanfm --desktop-pref" --> Desktop manager is not running
[10:13] <leszek> pcmanfm --desktop ?
[10:14] <Azlux> yes to run the preference window
[10:15] <Azlux> but i have the same with pcmanfm --set-wallpaper
[10:16] <leszek> so no desktop basically ?
[10:17] <leszek> can you try to remove the config file of pcmanfm in ~/.config to see if it helps
[10:17] <Azlux> i have a desktop
[10:17] <Azlux> it's the desktop manager
[10:18] <Azlux> what do you have for the desktop_manager/command in the file .config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf ?
[10:19] <Azlux> but yes i think it's the config
[10:23] <Azlux> yes it's that : the parameter of Desktop manager is linked to nautilus and not pcmanfm
[10:23] <leszek> ah
[10:23] <leszek> remove nautilus or set the mimetype to use pcmanfm that should work
[10:24] <Azlux> yes
[10:24] <Azlux> i will do that
[10:24] <Azlux> thank you
[10:24] <Azlux> need to lunch
[10:25] <Azlux> and thank you again
[12:18] <whytrytofly1> doesanyone know how to set the default browser for opening hyperlinks
[12:19] <whytrytofly1>  sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser didnt set it!
[12:20] <kj4> hello,  I have an issue where whatever workspace contains a terminal window 'steals' any ctrl-alt-arrow request to switch workspace,  is there a fix for this?
[12:22] <whytrytofly1> change one of the binds?
[12:22] <whytrytofly1> terminal or windowmanager
[12:22] <kj4> well, it might be the window manager, because it doesn't seem to matter which terminal app I'm using
[12:27] <kj4> whytrytofly1: obkey did it, thanks!!
[12:27] <whytrytofly1> kj4: nice...thanks though i didnt do a lot
[12:27] <whytrytofly1> welcomne
[12:28] <kj4> sometimes a steering in the right direction is all it takes
[12:28] <kj4> it was driving me nuts, I use that all the time, and just switched to this distro
[12:30] <whytrytofly1> kj4: nice so!!!
[13:07] <nonyab> Well Kamilion i am back made no progress with trying to get all my settings to a Flash dive to use as a portable system
[13:09] <nonyab> kamilion are you here today
[15:24] <nonyab> Hello if I install say a linux distro to a flash drive and  cat /dev/sdb >/dev/sdc from same distro that is on hard drive with all my settings will the one on flash drive work like my desktop
[15:25] <nonyab> so i can use on any computer
[15:26] <genii> The short answer is No
[15:32] <nonyab> i do not feel like taking the time to reinstall every thing i have already been using the desk top so long and am comfortable with it But i want take it where every i go.
[15:33] <nonyab> oh well case serua serua
[17:11] <saabi> Hello, I need help with an issue I'm having during installation.
[17:11] <saabi> Can anybody help_
[17:11] <saabi> ?
[17:11] <wxl> !ask | saabi
[17:12] <saabi> Alright... The problem is I simply can't launch the installer.
[17:12] <saabi> I ran it from the command line and it dumps the core
[17:12] <wxl> saabi: did you check the md5 of the iso?
[17:12] <saabi> The system boots up fine from usb
[17:13] <saabi> it's the actual install command that fails:
[17:13] <saabi> lubuntu@lubuntu:~$ sh -c 'ubiquity gtk_ui' Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/lib/python3.4/io.py", line 52, in <module>   File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 2237, in _find_and_load   File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 2226, in _find_and_load_unlocked   File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1200, in _load_unlocked   File "<frozen
[17:13] <wxl> saabi: check the md5.
[17:13] <saabi> alright
[17:19] <saabi> wxl: thanks, md5 failed...
[17:19] <wxl> saabi: always first thing to check :)
[17:20] <saabi> I'll download again. I used the torrent for download however with uTorrent, which I believe has some error checking
[17:20] <saabi> Perhaps the Windows install has a virus...
[17:20] <wxl> !zsync | saabi, a better alternative to torrenting is
[17:20] <wxl> windows? virus? naaaaaw
[17:21] <saabi> heh :)
[17:21] <saabi> zsync looks nice!
[17:22] <wxl> saabi: that's what the QA team uses
[17:26] <saabi> perhaps somebody knows the url to lubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync ?
[17:26] <wxl> saabi: you can just navigate cdimage.ubuntu.com
[17:26] <saabi> alright, sounds good
[17:27] <wxl> saabi: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/lubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[17:27] <wxl> saabi: they always follow the same format, so keep that in mind
[17:27] <wxl> saabi: also fun trick: if you change the name of your downloaded iso to the name of the iso you want to download (say, 15.04 when it comes out next week), and then zsync the new url, it will save you major time
[17:27] <saabi> While we're at it, right now I'm installing lubuntu on my laptop, but I'm thinking of replacing ubuntu on my desktop as well since the performance on the laptop is so much better. Is there a conventional upgrade path?
[17:28] <saabi> nice...
[17:28] <wxl> saabi: kind of, yeah. install the lubuntu-desktop package and then remove all the extra cruft
[17:28] <saabi> cool
[17:28] <wxl> !purelxde | saabi
[17:29] <saabi> wxl: Thanks again!
[17:29] <wxl> saabi: np. let us know if you need anything else and if you want to help contribute to the project, there's always room for more XD
[17:29] <saabi> ubottu: You're a very helpful bot.
[17:29] <wxl> hahah it's so modest
[17:29] <saabi> It shows :)
[17:31] <saabi> wxl: If I have a chance I'd love to help out. Let's see how time allows me too..
[17:31] <wxl> saabi: ping me if you want to discuss different ways you can help out. one way that's super easy is hang out here and try to answer questions for people. just listening you learn a lot!
[17:32] <saabi> wxl: I probably will hang out here just because it's so responsive :)
[17:32] <wxl> saabi: we usually are. we've got good coverage across different time zones.
[17:34] <wxl> saabi: do you already have a launchpad account?
[17:35] <saabi> wxl: I believe I set one up, though I haven't used it so far.
[17:36] <saabi> wxl: Alright, I blundered. I compared the md5 of the ubuntu 14.10 iso image to my lubuntu 14.10 iso image
[17:36] <wxl> saabi: it's good for reporting bugs *hint* *hint* :) it's also good for signing into the wiki if you have additions/changes
[17:36] <wxl> oooooooooops :)
[17:36] <saabi> wxl: After zsync I noticed it didn't download anything because the checksums mathced
[17:36] <wxl> ah interesting
[17:37] <saabi> So the md5 is not the problem
[17:37] <wxl> now i'm baffled
[17:37] <wxl> oh
[17:37] <wxl> well
[17:37] <wxl> the md5 of the media itself may not match
[17:37] <wxl> there can be a problem in both the download and the image creation
[17:38] <saabi> Could be, I transferred the iso using Universal USB Installer in windows, I'll do it again from lubuntu
[17:39] <saabi> Ah, silly me I can't, the USB stick is being used :)
[17:40] <saabi> Alright, I'll do it from my desktop ubuntu
[17:40] <saabi> Just gotta get up from the couch and head over to my office next door... :P
[18:08] <saabi-desktop> wxl: Preparing the USB stick with reserved extra space shouldn't be a problem I'm guessing. Right?
[18:29] <saabi> wxl: Using Startup Disk Creator worked. Apparently Universal USB Installer running on Windows screws something up.
[18:29] <wxl> saabi: yeah i've noticed different result from different tools, even within ubuntu
[18:37] <ianorlin> /usr/share/icons/Lubuntu/devices/16 might work from those existing
[18:37] <ianorlin> oops meant for -offtopic
[18:44] <saabi2> Alright, finally running from my laptop installation :)
[21:39] <mr_rm> i'm running lubuntu 14.10 on virtualbox 4.3.26 r98988. i have "auto resize" and the latest guest additions installed. the panel bar seems to not redraw very well after resizing the vm window. sometimes when i make it smaller, the panel doesn't come back at all unless something repaints on the desktop. is this a known bug?
[21:41] <ianorlin> mr_rm: maybe try to save the xrandr output you want for the vm when you login in autoresize
[22:33] <position> hi, when I try to install from lubuntu-software-center it says that I have no priviledges to install
[22:33] <position> because I am not su
[22:34] <ianorlin> position: which version?
[22:34] <position> 15.04
[22:35] <ianorlin> known serious  bug but there is a workaround if you see on the testing tracker
[22:36] <position> what else should I install together with docky to configure docky?
[22:38] <position> I think it needs something else


[15:32] <qimano_> HOW TO PUT KRENAME ON MATR
[15:32] <qimano_> HOW TO PUT KRENAME ON MATE
[18:42] <TaZeR> did you try "sudo apt-get install krename" ?
[18:42] <TaZeR> in terminal
[21:08] <bitshawn> msg Nickserv authenticate


[04:51] <Bo7> hello!
[06:37] <Bo7> I've found a little miss in the wiki
[06:40] <Bo7> (but I have no account)
[06:45] <Flannel> Bo7: Do you have a launchpad account?
[06:45] <Bo7> no
[06:50] <Bo7> I also think one line in the community docs is wrong
[06:51] <j1mc> Bo7: do you know how to get a launchpad account?
[06:52] <Bo7> no, I was wondering if you could check it for me :)
[06:53] <j1mc> Bo7: you can create a launchpad account here: https://launchpad.net/+login
[06:54] <j1mc> then you can edit the wiki, file bugs, work on projects, and more
[06:54] <j1mc> :)
[06:56] <Bo7> I'll guess I can fix the wiki, and for the doc pages, can you submit a different version and let other ppl verify it or something like that?
[07:02] <j1mc> Bo7: yes . . . I'm not exactly sure if this is what you're looking for, but here's some info that may help you.
[07:03] <j1mc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation
[07:03] <j1mc> i need to go to bed . . . but i'm sure someone else can help if you have questions
[07:03] <Bo7> j1mc: allright, I'll have a look :)
[07:03] <j1mc> feel free to join the mailing list, too, if you aren't already on it
[07:04] <j1mc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact
[07:04] <Bo7> allright, thx
[07:04] <j1mc> later!
[07:04] <Bo7> gn!


[01:08] <vidplace7> skjones: test test
[01:08] <kevinf311-lap> successful
[01:08] <vidplace7> wutt people talk in here
[01:09] <vidplace7> no way
[01:12] <kevinf311-lap> pretty much never
[01:13] <kevinf311-lap> i don't think this channel has been really active since i actually still lived in GA
[01:15] <vidplace7> :'( the site has been down for... forever
[01:15] <kevinf311-lap> indeed


[08:58] <akgraner> johnc4510, ping
[09:40] <akgraner> johnc4510, et all - I don't know if I am going to be online much over the next few days - john if you can please look over Issue 215 and help get 216 published - Pete and I found out last night our house was hit by lightning and burned
[09:40] <akgraner> nigelb, alourie highvoltage ^^^
[09:41] <nigelb> akgraner: ok, *hugs*
[09:41] <akgraner> please review issue 215 and let johnc4510 know when it's as ready as it can be - he knows all the steps to publishing it..  if for some reason johnc4510 can't someone email me - and I'll send it out for publishing
[09:42] <akgraner> (I get email on my phone)
[09:42] <nigelb> ok, I'll take a look at it post lunch
[09:43] <akgraner> I'll need about a week before I can even think about anything else - and just wanted you all to know  what was going on and that you all rock - if in doubt what needs to go where please look at back issues
[09:44] <akgraner> and johnc4510 rocks as EIC he trained me so trust what he tells ya :-)
[09:44] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks!
[12:04] <alourie> akgraner: oh,
[12:22]  * alourie hugs Amber
[13:05] <alourie> akgraner: I hope you get the house back
[13:06] <nhandler> +1 alourie
[13:06] <nhandler> But I'm glad everyone is safe
[13:10] <akgraner> alourie, nhandler thanks!
[13:11] <akgraner> we are supposed to have a News Session at UDS this afternoon at 1700 EST
[13:11] <akgraner> not sure if that is still going to happen or not but I'll let everyone know
[13:13] <akgraner> big thing for today is to get johnc4510 to publish 215 for us if he will
[13:13] <akgraner> :-)
[13:13] <akgraner> I'm sorry this is the "bus" issues I was trying to prepare for :-/
[13:13] <akgraner> we'll get there and this is a great use case :-)
[13:24] <buxy> nhandler: do you know who is behind the @Ubuntu_OS twitter account and who has admin right on the official ubuntulinux facebook page?
[13:44] <nhandler> buxy: They are only official because people call them that. Someone just decided to start them up (we have other twitter/facebook stuff as well). But no, I don't know who actually has access to them or if they are still around
[13:46] <buxy> Well, I don't mind some bazar-like organization but wouldn't it be good to have some consistency and group management under the UbuntuNewsTeam umbrella?
[13:47] <alourie> buxy: true, but UNT is not a mafia group. If someone without connection to UNT had created those pages, we only can hope it is done "the right way"
[13:48] <buxy> A facebook page with 250000 subscribers is official no matter who started it and deserve some care IMO and the way it has been (ab)used to kick off @Ubuntu_OS seems unprofessional to me, I wanted to see how we can improve this
[13:49] <alourie> buxy: what's the link again?
[13:49] <buxy> http://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux
[13:50] <highvoltage> akgraner: eek! I hope things will be ok!
[13:50] <buxy> and the page got misconfigured to show all wall posts by default, which is also a mistake IMO
[13:52] <alourie> yea
[13:52] <alourie> buxy: well, maybe someone around Jono will know
[13:53] <buxy> alourie: yeah, I mailed him last week, still waiting an answer, pinged him today about this
[13:53] <alourie> buxy: don't forget, it is a UDS week, so don't expect too much in the near future
[13:54] <alourie> I'm sure he's quite busy
[13:54] <alourie> nhandler: are you at UDS?
[13:54] <buxy> I know, I'm not in a hurry but I mailed before UDS :)
[13:57] <nhandler> alourie: No.
[14:08] <highvoltage> akgraner: I just read your blog entry. really sorry to hear it and glad that you're all safe!
[16:51] <pleia2> the ubuntu_os twitter account was started by someone on -marketing, he was actually asking for help with it the other day
[16:51] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2010-October/004210.html


[14:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190685 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Brasero needs documentation and needs improvement." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190685
[17:52] <sn0> hey all, just checking i did the right thing :) i posted a bug against ubuntu-website for a typo on the ubuntu server guide documentation
[17:53] <sn0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/190714
[17:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190714 in ubuntu-website "Managing DNS Entries section of ubuntu serverguide has a 404 on sample resolv.conf" [Undecided,New]
[19:34] <frank23> i'm comparing the ubuntu docs to the kubuntu docs and I find the ubuntu docs have defined better the user they're aiming to help (new user or anyone wanting to know the simple ways to do different tasks)
[19:36] <frank23> for example in the installing applications section, there is no need to present aptitude and no need to say how to start adept from the command line


[15:10] <hateball> Hello, is there anywhere I can find out if a newer version of mesa will make it into 23.04 ? Right now I am using mesa from oibaf ppa (plus mainline kernel) or my radeon 7900 xtx won't work. But I'd prefer not relying on ppa's etc :)
[17:18] <tomreyn> hateball: i believe you would need to acquire a blessed crystal ball to get this answer.
[17:19] <hateball> tomreyn: I see, luckily there's a psychic medium shop in town which carries various crystals. Power bracelets too.
[17:19]  * hateball calls in the order
[17:26] <tomreyn> good luck. by the way, i sell these fine leather jackets.
[18:11] <hateball> :)