[00:00] <pfifo> Ownix, try changing the lable using the tune2fs program (use the -L option)
[00:02] <jonhigh9000> does anyone know what compression type is recommended when backing up the package archive?
[00:02] <pfifo> deb packages are already compressed with gzip
[00:03] <Jordan_U> jonhigh9000: What package archive are you talking about? Backing up things easily available on the internet doesn't make much sense, and .deb backages are already compressed.
[00:04] <m_tadeu> TheGreatBacon: bad luck...only power wires are connected
[00:05] <jonhigh9000> I wasn't aware of that. I was talking about the /var/cache/apt/archive folder.
[00:07] <pfifo> jonhigh9000, you can use tar to make a single file of them, but your not going to be able to squeeze much more out of them, maybe with 7z or lzma, but not enough to make it worth the cpu cycles
[00:08] <jonhigh9000> pfifo : ok, Thank you your help.
[00:11] <bonhoeffer> i just downloaded a .deb for ubuntu, good like to install?
[00:11] <bonhoeffer> sorry -- anyone know a good link
[00:12] <pfifo> bonhoeffer, are you sure it isnt already in the repo?
[00:12] <bonhoeffer> sublime text 3
[00:12] <bonhoeffer> good point -- i used to know how to search the repo
[00:12] <pfifo> bonhoeffer, apt-cache search <search term>
[00:13] <wilee-nilee> bonhoeffer, If you end up installing I use gdebi, which needs installing but the software center or synaptic will install it.
[00:13] <pfifo> or use the software center
[00:13] <bonhoeffer> pfifo, how do i use the software center -- add a source with that deb
[00:14] <pfifo> bonhoeffer, i dont know, I use only the terminal based tools for package managment
[00:16] <bonhoeffer> pfifo, got it -- i found a ppa
[00:17] <bonhoeffer> but i need to delete my manual install now
[00:18] <BlackoutIsHere> LOL GLOBAL
[00:18] <pfifo> bonhoeffer, `sudo dpkg -P <package name>`
[00:19] <tripelb> i have a tar diwnloaded. How to install? 12.04 gnome-classic. program is Ginko_ CADx-<IP_ADDRESS>8.33_linux_x86
[00:20] <bwayne> tripelb: is it a .tar, a tar.gz, or a tar.bz2?
[00:20] <pfifo> tripelb, untar it and see if there are instructions in the tarball
[00:22] <tripelb> guys i see no. rxt files AND it is a tgz
[00:22] <bwayne> tripelb: you can unpack it with 'tar --xjvf <tarball>'
[00:22] <bwayne> tripelb: oops, just one dash
[00:22] <pfifo> j is for bzip, z is for gzip (tgz)
[00:23] <bwayne> tripelb: ah yes. tar -xzvf <tarball>
[00:23] <bwayne> thx pfifo
[00:23] <pfifo> so tar xzvf <tarball>
[00:23] <tripelb> pfifo, bwayne °^^ u can see it all with the Archive program. Then what?
[00:24] <pfifo> tripelb, look for a file named README and another named INSTALL
[00:26] <tripelb> pfifo, bwayne there are no files with thise nanea. If you can believe it I acrually looked before I aaked.     s
[00:26] <paperziggurat> I'm trying to use nitrogen to stretch an image across two montirs and it's not working
[00:26] <paperziggurat> The image I'm using is of the correct resolution, and when I go to set 'automatic' and 'full screen', nothing happens when I apply the settings. A couple times I've had this error output to terminal:      (nitrogen:3207): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_list_store_set_value: assertion `VALID_ITER (iter, list_store)' failed  I've been googling for over an hour and have not found a solution. I'm using an AMD chipset and ATI card if that
[00:27] <pfifo> tripelb, im guessing that its in binary form then, you might just look through and see if it contains a ready made program
[00:27] <tripelb> I am on an old froyo phone and artifacts like that s at the end happen cause i cant get to the end of the line.
[00:27] <iananananan> In bash, I typed "./configue"
[00:27] <iananananan> Console tells me to type "make"
[00:27] <iananananan> bash tells me command not found
[00:27] <iananananan> what am I doing wrong?
[00:27] <Pinkamena_D> Hi, I just installed centrifydc to try to join a windows based domain, now I can not even log in
[00:28] <pfifo> iananananan, install 'build essential' package
[00:28] <tripelb> it looks like the dikes and directory to a program -- to me.
[00:28] <MrModest> where me find russian irc of ubuntu ?
[00:28] <tripelb> not dikea .. FILES
[00:28] <Pinkamena_D> It will not take my password for logging in even though it is both the correct domain password and local computer password
[00:28] <n0sq_> i seem to be having a nick issue with quassel - my normal nick is n0sq but i'm no longer able to connect with that nick but it is showing in the nick list - did someone manage to hijack my nick?
[00:28] <pfifo> !ru | MrModest
[00:29] <tripelb> pfifo: ^^^°
[00:29] <n0sq_> i seem to be having a nick issue with quassel - my normal nick is n0sq but i'm no longer able to connect with that nick but it is showing in the *channel* nick list - did someone manage to hijack my nick?
[00:29] <StarFlower> please dont spam n0sq_
[00:29] <pfifo> n0sq, no, its likely a ghost, try /msg nickserv ghost n0sq
[00:29] <xangua> !ghost | n0sq
[00:29] <wilee-nilee> n0sq_, Not necessarily.
[00:30] <MrModest> !ru
[00:30] <iananananan> pfifo, I'm in cygwin, have never played with it before. i'm not sure how to install a tar.gz i've got
[00:30] <iananananan> pfifo, can you refer me to anything? google is giving me mixed results
[00:30] <pfifo> tripelb, extract the archive and run the program?
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> iananananan, This android?
[00:31] <iananananan> wilee-nilee, windows
[00:31] <pfifo> iananananan, we dont support cygwin here, youll need to ask in #cygwin or where ever they hang out
 I'm trying to use nitrogen to stretch an image across two montirs and it's not working [19:26] <paperziggurat> The image I'm using is of the correct resolution, and when I go to set 'automatic' and 'full screen', nothing happens when I apply the settings. A couple times I've had this error output to terminal:      (nitrogen:3207): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_list_store_set_value: assertion `VALID_ITER (iter, list_s
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> iananananan, ##windows
[00:31] <iananananan> pfifo, wilee-nilee thanks
[00:31] <n0sq_> StarFlower: i wasn't spamming - just clarifying
[00:31] <n0sq_> wilee-nilee: eh?
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> iananananan, You have to be registered with freenode for ##windows
[00:32] <iananananan> wilee-nilee, i'm familiar with it already thanks
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> cool, good luck
[00:32] <tripelb> pfifo: there is a file that has a first line #1 /bin/bash
[00:33] <wilee-nilee> n0sq_, You asked a question, I answered it.
[00:33] <n0sq_> xangua: thanks
[00:33] <n0sq_> wilee-nilee: sorry - misread it
[00:33] <Ownix> Im getting an error about "duplicate sources" when I run apt-update. It looks to me like its seeing both amd64 packages and i386
[00:33] <Ownix> in the repo I just added
[00:34] <wilee-nilee> n0sq_, Every so often one of my 3 nicks stick, never been highjacked.
[00:35] <tripelb> pfifo: i extracted it. show files ONLY displayed a shell script
[00:35] <pfifo> tripelb, well im really not sure what your dealing with here, you should seek support from the developers of your program. All I can offer is to use 'file <filename' to determine what type of files your dealing with... maybe look on the site you downloaded this from for information on how to use it properly
[00:35] <tripelb>  i ran it. i see nothing. i should have run it in terminal?
[00:35] <tripelb>  i ran it. i see nothing. i should have run it in terminal? pfifo
[00:36] <Ownix> Looks like the deb I installed with dpkg added its own repo in my sources list.
[00:36] <pfifo> tripelb, yes i recommend running it from terminal, youll atleast get an error message if nothing else
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> Ownix, and?
[00:38] <Ownix> wilee-nilee: sorry. I meant to say that was the problem. I simply deleted the repo I added in sources.list the pubic key for that entry that I added with apt-key will remain though
[00:38] <wilee-nilee> cool
[00:39] <freannrak> if you were to buy ubuntu certified laptop with 3000 EUR budget. What would it be?
[00:39] <paperziggurat>  <paperziggurat> <paperziggurat> I'm trying to use nitrogen to stretch an image across two montirs and it's not working [19:26] <paperziggurat> The image I'm using is of the correct resolution, and when I go to set 'automatic' and 'full screen', nothing happens when I apply the settings. A couple times I've had this error output to terminal:      (nitrogen:3207): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_list_store_set_value: assertion `VALID_I
[00:39] <pfifo> something without uEFI
[00:41] <tripelb> pfifo: ran from term choice in gui. didnt even see term. then ok start a term and run it. wot the files are all over home tho i said make dorectory. foo! how do i get those files out of home. will extract again more carefully. Thanks for holding my hand. really
[00:43] <tripelb> pfifo: YES. thanks. (i disnt preaa return after making the filename.
[00:43] <tripelb> press
[00:45] <pfifo> tripelb, i would just restore my home directory from backup
[00:45] <bonhoeffer> is there a way to mount ntfs not read only
[00:46] <tripelb> pfifo: backup? how to make a backup? then if i had one how to reso
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> bonhoeffer:  use the ntfs-3g  not ntfs
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> !ntfs-3g
[00:46] <pfifo> HI! Dr_Willis
[00:46] <tripelb> restore .. a web link is fine. pfifo
[00:46] <tripelb> hi Dr_Willis
[00:47] <bonhoeffer> Dr_Willis, got it
[00:47] <tripelb> i have readwrite to ntgs on the natch. who. needs to imstall it?
[00:48] <pfifo> tripelb, it seems for you it may be too late to make a backup
[00:48] <bonhoeffer> Dr_Willis, i'm a command line guy -- but looking to mount ntfs-3g via gui -- is that an option in ubuntu?
[00:49] <tripelb> pfifo: but not too late to learn  how to
[00:49] <setuid> What's the best way to automatically clean up, delete *.gz and *.1 logs from /var/log/*?
[00:49] <setuid> Servers I've had running for weeks, keep collecting logs and doesn't seem to clean them up
[00:49] <pfifo> !backup | tripelb
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> bonhoeffer:  the cli tool is 'ntfs-3g' or use -t ntfs-3g      the ntfs-3g homepage hasd docs and examples
[00:50] <Dr_Willis> bonhoeffer:  as far as i know - ntfs-3g SHOULD be the default on ubuntu. and the nautilus file manager stuff uses it by default as a gui way
[00:51] <bonhoeffer> i thought fstab would show me how my usb drive is mounted -- how can i find out?
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> bonhoeffer:  the ntfs-config tool can setup proper fstab entries for your ntfs disks and tweak some settings
[00:51] <pfifo> setuid, those files are made by the 'logrotate' service, if you dont want them, stop running logrotate, there may be options about how much it saves, but im not sure of this
[00:51] <setuid> pfifo, It's not pruning logs, just rotating them, that's the issue
[00:51] <bonhoeffer> /dev/sde1 on /media/foo type hfsplus
[00:52] <bonhoeffer> :( -- mac says it is NTFS (i thought)
[00:52] <bonhoeffer> it mounts fine, but I can't delete
[00:52] <Dr_Willis> hfs is a totallydiffernt beast. HFS is read only as far as i know.
[00:52] <bonhoeffer> looks that way -- but i can't even rsync it -- get errors
[00:54] <pfifo> setuid, there are many options available for logrotate, check out the manual for all the details
[00:54] <bonhoeffer> what is a good format to share a disk between ubuntu and mac os x
[00:55] <Dr_Willis> bonhoeffer:  apple channel may know if apple can read ext2/3/4 or other formats
[00:55] <SolarAquarion> what's the IRC chan for saucy?
[00:55] <tripelb> pfifo: very cool that it is so easily availabe. Now I go to try to see my x-rays. if i only had a virtual windows7 box I would be avoiding this pain. ... Oh well.
[00:55] <Onixs> exFat
[00:56] <tripelb> pfifo: thank you from the bottom of my feet to my white hair!
[00:56] <Dr_Willis> SolarAquarion:  #ubuntu+1
[00:56] <Dr_Willis> SolarAquarion:  at least untill its released. ;)
[00:57] <chaloum> how do I cant to the user www-data?  I thought it was sudo www-data but I'm missing something
[00:58] <Dr_Willis> chaloum:  you would normally put your user in the www-data group i belive. You dont 'change' to the www-data user
[00:59] <bonhoeffer> NTFS
[01:00] <chaloum> Dr_Willis: I've figured it out its sudo su www-data
[01:00] <pfifo> chaloum, thats not really a good idea
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> chaloum:  i imagine theres better ways to do whatever it is you are trying to do.
[01:01] <OerHeks> su = "stop using "
[01:02] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i need help i am very very lost, after playing around with samba (just installing it) on ubuntu 12.04 desktop edition, i have a problem that my network drops every couple of minutes and by drop i mean that the network still says that it is connceted although i am not recieving packets and thus all my downloads stop downloading, i followed every guide i could find for ubuntu 12.04 wifi drop
[01:02] <Psil0Cybin> but nothing helps me, and nothing solves my problem, i cannot find a single fix and am completely lost.
[01:02] <EleanorEllis> Hi.  I have inserted the liveCD into the CD drive of the working computer but Startup Disk Creator doesn't show the live CD. I also cant open the live CD from the Places menu
[01:02] <Psil0Cybin> i followed over 10 or 15 different tutorials
[01:02] <pfifo> OerHeks, i wouldnt go that far, seems a bit extreme
[01:03] <Psil0Cybin> my internet works perfectly fine for a couple of minutes, i am talking to you guys right now but randomly while it still says it is connceted i notice that all my internet connections drop
[01:03] <sam113101> Psil0Cybin: you want to copy the CD on the usb drive?
[01:03] <Psil0Cybin> and all downloads stop
[01:03] <sam113101> hoops
[01:03] <sam113101> highlighted the wrong person
[01:03] <sam113101> sorry
[01:03] <Psil0Cybin> its okay :(
[01:03] <sam113101> EleanorEllis: : you want to copy the CD on the usb drive?
[01:04] <sam113101> if so, I suggest you just download a new iso
[01:04] <maerr> somebody knows another channel
[01:04] <EleanorEllis> sam113101: Yes I want to create a live USB
[01:04] <sam113101> maerr: channel for what
[01:04] <sam113101> EleanorEllis: then download an iso and forget about the cd
[01:05] <maerr> to meet  peop
[01:05] <sam113101> maerr: freenode isn't really suited for that… it hosts channels for open source projects, mainly
[01:05] <EleanorEllis> sam113101: It's odd that I cant seem to read the CD. Odd because it worked on another machine. I was trying to save time over downloading an iso.
[01:05] <EleanorEllis> Silly me
[01:05] <pfifo> maerr, try #politics, talk about the american government shutdown
[01:06] <qin> maerr: #meet-people #ubuntu-offtopic #defocus #etc
[01:06] <sam113101> EleanorEllis: well, easiest way is to download the iso, if you're still concerned about your cd drive not working, I'd try another cd
[01:07] <EleanorEllis> sam113101: Is there a different iso for the USB stick to the CD?
[01:07] <sam113101> it's the same iso for both cd and usb
[01:08] <EleanorEllis> sam113101: Thanks
[01:08] <snine> !millamber Outliers_ The Story of Success - Malcolm Gladwell.epub
[01:08] <EleanorEllis> sam113101: I should have done that in the first place. It says only 6 mins left to finish downloading it
[01:09] <sam113101> yeah, with a good internet connection (or even an average one), it's quite fast
[01:10] <EleanorEllis> sam113101: Yes I remember when downloading an iso would take an hour or so
[01:10] <maerr> I use idm, works great
[01:11] <laniasepstuisna> heii,, i newbie
[01:13] <Alpha-Omega> hey, does anyone know when mpv-player will be released to the Ubuntu repos?
[01:14] <andrej> multi-pathing and open-iscsi seem to be broken in 12.04.  Trying to shutdown a box with an iSCSI attached SAN fails, it can't unmount the SAN; my suspicion is that this happens because networking gets torn down before the unmount.  Has anyone made the same observation? Is my assumption correct? And fixing it is by adding the network to shutdown-after in the init-script?
[01:16] <craigbass1976> Anyone know how Thunderbird stores a password?  I have a working copy at work, but I've changed the password since the last time I logged on with this laptop at home.  I can ssh in, but not sure where I'd find the password in ~./thunderbird/
[01:17] <maerr> somebody knows how to list all channels freenode
[01:18] <SolarAquarion> maerr, are you using hexchat?
[01:18] <andrej> I'm sure somebody does ... I hope somone will tell you that that's dsicouraged
[01:19] <maerr> I'm using androirc on my android smartphone, & u?
[01:20] <pfifo> !alis | maerr
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> you dont want to tell your  client to list all channel;s.. the list is HUGE. :) and will most likely flood your client off the server
[01:24] <calwig> oO
[01:24]  * calwig felt the tilt
[01:27] <Levi__> hey has anyone tried to run the learning pit logix pro under wine
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> !appdb
[01:31] <EleanorEllis> In Startup Disk Creator, I made the mistake of selecting "Erase" and it's taking forever to wipe a 16GB stick. Is that usual? Can I interrupt it?
[01:31] <shawnboy> anybody know how to start Ubuntu install from terminal after booting from USB?
[01:31] <Dr_Willis> you may still nbeed to reformat the usb.
[01:31] <Dr_Willis> shawnboy:  the installer app is called ubiquity i belive.
[01:31] <Dr_Willis> shawnboy:  thats the normal gui installer.
[01:32] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: Should it take a long time to format a USB stick?
[01:32] <shawnboy> thanks Dr_Willis
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  cant say ive really noticed.   Some times ubuntu has slow access to usb flash drives ive seen
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> it does do a full format, not a quick format i belive.
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> if you stop it. you might need to use gparted to format it again.
[01:33] <bonhoeffer> goodness, my user is member of the group -- but i still can't touch a file in that directory
[01:33] <bonhoeffer> drwxrwxr-x 6 www-data www-data 4096 Oct  1 21:25 themes
[01:33] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: If I pull the stick while it's doing it, will I damage the stick?
[01:33] <bonhoeffer> i'm a member of www-data
[01:33] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  id just let it run..  i wouldent think it would take mor ethen 10-15 min
[01:33] <shawnboy> boot from USB with 12.04.1 hangs before loading GUI but I can drop into ctrl-alt-F2 and get a prompt. So I figure there must be a way to start the install process from terminal.
[01:34] <Dr_Willis> shawnboy:  there is no text based installer on the desktop dvd by default.
[01:34] <shawnboy> ah. well, I guess I'll have to try the alternate CD.
[01:34] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset
[01:34] <wylde> bonhoeffer: if you just added yourself to the group you need to log out and back in for the sytem to notice you're a member of www-data
[01:34] <Dr_Willis> the nomodeset option may get you to a desktop
[01:34] <bonhoeffer> ahh .. . wylde thanksa
[01:35] <shawnboy> Goodbye. Thanks again, Dr_Willis.
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> So If I want to buy a tv that I can wifi my media to what am I looking for, not familiar with this.
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  dlna/upnp/ features.
[01:36] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys having a problem trying to get Wicd to show a tray icon on Xubuntu
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, thanks
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  samsung calls it allshare i think.
[01:36] <Psil0Cybin> is this a known issue that this does not work?
[01:36] <Psil0Cybin> there is no way of getting a tray icon
[01:36] <pleanbean> Can someone PM me who can help me get Ubuntu running on my PC? I'm having GRUB issues
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> cool thanks again
[01:36] <Psil0Cybin> oh nvm
[01:37] <Psil0Cybin> fixed
[01:37] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  most of the better tv's thse days can do dlna, or you can always get a roku, or raspberry pi ;)
[01:37] <wylde> >_<
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, Cool I'm looking on amazon, just trying to find a fair deal and I have a nexus and two computers, one is a netbook I never use.
[01:38] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  samsung smart tv has  software features where you can instgall apps from the samsung store. there is a 'plex' app that lets me get to all my video files from my Plex Server on the network.
[01:39] <craigbass1976> Anyone know how Thunderbird stores a password?  I have a working copy at work, but I've changed the password since the last time I logged on with this laptop at home.  I can ssh in, but not sure where I'd find the password in ~./thunderbird/
[01:39] <TJ-> pleanbean: Please describe your problem else there'll be no-one know whether they can help you or not
[01:39] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  also check out the chromecast dongle. $35
[01:39] <Jeruvy> wilee-nilee  pm?
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, Do you have a hub involved in this?
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> Jeruvy, I have pm off.
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  the tv is on my network via wifi router. or i can go wired. samsung also has a wifi direct feature.
[01:40] <pleanbean> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on dev/sdc with the install img on a USB. The install process goes smoothly but when I try to boot the drive, I get a black screen with a blinking cursor
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> cool I will look at what is needed thanks
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset | pleanbean
[01:41] <TJ-> pleanbean: That sounds as if the install didn't write the GRUB boot-strap code to the USB device at all.
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  short answer - try the nomodeset optiuon, IF you can get to a grub menu. try the boot-repair tool if you cant get to grub menu
[01:42] <pfifo> Dr_Willis, surely nomodeset has to be obsoleted by now?
[01:42] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[01:42] <pleanbean> Well I'm trying to write GRUB to sdc not USB
[01:42] <Dr_Willis> pfifo:  about 2 releases ago i no longer needed it on my nvidia  machines.. befor that - i still did
[01:42] <pleanbean> I cannot get to a grub menu
[01:42] <TJ-> pleanbean: Oh, I see, sorry, I misread you as meaning the USB device was mounted at /dev/sdc.
[01:42] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  see the boot-repair info  to get a workinggrub
[01:43] <pleanbean> I'm on Boot Repair right now
[01:43] <pleanbean> But I'm having issues with it.
[01:43] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, So what is the minimal p you would suggest?
[01:43] <pfifo> Dr_Willis, what is the output of 'lsb_release -sc'
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  i last got a tv  about 2 yrs ago. I just go with the 1080p with the smart features.  whteer is in the budget.
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  it does everything i need and more. ;)
[01:44] <pleanbean> I'm in Advanced options > Main options. What should I have checked besides Reinstall GRUB? By default "Use the standard EFI file", "Unhide boot menu, Repair file systems are checked.
[01:44] <pleanbean> Do I need to Restore MBR?
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> restore mbr - puts the windows mbr back on - i belive
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, That seems like a good start, I don't watch a whole lot of tv but it would be nice to have one that looks good.
[01:45] <pleanbean> OK so no. Going into GRUB location. OS to boot by default: sdc2 (Ubuntu 13.04).
[01:45] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  i tend to stick to samsung, and whateer is on sale at fathers day. ;) or xmas.
[01:46] <pleanbean> What about Separate /boot partition or Separate /boot/efi partition? What do those do?
[01:46] <wilee-nilee> viva the sale, yeah
[01:46] <pfifo> whats the point in watching video files on your tv when theres a computer right there?
[01:46] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  did you set up a seperate /boot/ partition?
[01:46] <pleanbean> No
[01:46] <Dr_Willis> pfifo:  my big 36+ in tv is right above my computer monitor/desk ;)
[01:46] <pleanbean> Thats another question. How should I have my drive partitioned?
[01:47] <chaotic_good> make /boot 300M+ on ubuntu or upgrades fail
[01:47] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  depends on the size. and what you are doing with it.. minimal  is a / partion and a swap partiotion
[01:47] <Dr_Willis> I would not bother with a /boot/ partition
[01:47] <pleanbean> I have 1TB to use
[01:47] <Dr_Willis> uefi also requires some other partion i think. (i dont use uefi)
[01:48] <mrrcp> uefi is a nightmare
[01:48] <Dr_Willis> 50 gb for   a few gb for swap rest for /home/ would be common
[01:48] <Dr_Willis> 50gb for /  ;)
[01:48] <pleanbean> 50GB for /?
[01:48] <chaotic_good> I like 4g / jfs, 300M /boot ext2 and rest lvm /
[01:48] <pleanbean> Thats the system folder?
[01:48] <chaotic_good> lvm reiserFS
[01:49] <chaotic_good> oh yeah!!
[01:49] <Dr_Willis> i have DEFINATLY filled up 30gb / befor
[01:49] <pleanbean> You guys are losing me...
[01:49] <pfifo> i like 4 primary partitions, 8gb/8gb/8gb/296gb on for ubuntu LTS one for ubuntu unstable, one for swap, and the giant one for /home
[01:49] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  you can just let the installer automate it all
[01:49] <pleanbean> Unfortunately, automating it doesn't give me the option to install it to sdc
[01:50] <pleanbean> I have a few internal drives and it automatically installs it to sda
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  you could unplug the others
[01:50] <pleanbean> Ok I'll do that.
[01:50] <TJ-> Dr_Willis: I usually do LVMs with  / = 8GB, /var/ = 8GB, /usr/local/ = 4GB, /tmp/ = 5GB and swap = RAM+512MB
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> or just partion the other hd how you want. :) but ifyou dont know what you are doi9ng. It may be much safer to just unplug the others
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> I dont mess with LVM ;)
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> ife definatly filled up 5+gb in tmp befor. heh..
[01:51] <pfifo> TJ-, you should try tmp as a tmpfs filesystem ;)
[01:51] <pleanbean> I would know what I'm doing if someone told me how I should partition the drive haha
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> but it depends on what you are doing
[01:51] <TJ-> pfifo: I deliberately don't want tmpfs
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  we said earlier.. 50gb for /  some for swap - rest for /home/
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> thats about as basic a setup as you can get
[01:52] <pleanbean> 3 partitions?
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> yes. 3 partitions
[01:53] <Dr_Willis> swap=ram+512mb is common also theswe days
[01:53] <pleanbean> Why are / and /home/ separate?
[01:53] <TJ-> separating /var/ from / prevents /var/log/ or /var/cache/{apt/archives,*} from causing the root file-system running out of space
[01:53] <Dr_Willis> to make things easier later down the road.. dont seperate them if you dont want
[01:53] <Dr_Willis> make a / and a swap - thatss the MINIMAL setup
[01:53] <pfifo> pleanbean, so you can format and reinstall ubuntu with out deleting all your settings and family photos
[01:54] <TJ-> pleanbean: We separate /home/ because that contains user files. That allows an easy re-install or upgrade of the core OS without needing to worry about deleting the contents of /home/
[01:54] <pleanbean> Ok that makes sense.
[01:54] <pleanbean> Are the / and /home/ partitions both ext4?
[01:54] <Dr_Willis> my /home/ is on its own seperate 3TB HD.
[01:54] <Dr_Willis> ext4 is the default - yes
[01:54] <pfifo> Dr_Willis, no raid 10 on /home ?
[01:55] <Dr_Willis> ive learned from in here.. to not mess with raid. ;)
[01:55] <Dr_Willis> seen way to many issues in here with it.. but of course this is wherfe people come when they have issues
[01:55] <Dr_Willis> so its a bit biased
[01:55] <pfifo> dont mess with fakeraid or softraid... definatly check into realraid
[01:55] <Dr_Willis> ill pass on all raid :)
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> my / right now is on its own ssd drive.  /home/ is on its own SATA driv e.
[01:57] <pfifo> 3tb is alot
[01:57] <pleanbean> OK, partitioned /dev/sdc to have a 8.5GB swap, a 50GB ext4 / and a much larger ext4 /home/
[01:58] <pleanbean> Now go ahead and install again?
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> pfifo:  and yet i still need more. ;)
[01:58] <grahamsavage> hey anyone here familiar with vftpd?
[01:58] <pfifo> filesharing much?
[01:58] <jmgk> hey Dr_Willis
[01:58] <jmgk> :)
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> pfifo:  riping dvd's for the wife to the plex server mainly
[01:58] <grahamsavage> vsftpd... there's a config option called local_enable.. really i only want virtual users to login
[01:59] <jmgk> iS chat the default Linux client ?
[01:59] <jmgk> Xchat*
[01:59] <pfifo> grahamsavage, vsftpd isnt the best option for virtual users
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> jmgk:  xchat is a commnly used irc client for linux
[01:59] <jmgk> ah ok
[01:59] <jmgk> :)
[01:59] <jmgk> I prefer it :D
[01:59] <grahamsavage> pfifo: what's your suggestion?
[01:59] <pfifo> grahamsavage, cuteftpd
[02:00] <pfifo> grahamsavage, but to be honest, i usually just use httpd instead, ftp is ancient
[02:00] <grahamsavage> yeah, i wouldn't be using ftp if i had a choice now :D
[02:01] <grahamsavage> ok cuteftpd looks commerical
[02:01] <KnownSyntax> Why not use proftpd?
[02:02] <KnownSyntax> It will allow you to do exactly what you want, all you have to do is edit the config. Same with vsftpd
[02:02] <pfifo> grahamsavage, hmm, maybe they went commercial, I havent used ftp for years
[02:02] <pfifo> anyway I need to sleep
[02:02] <grahamsavage> KnownSyntax: yeah i'm trying to work out the config
[02:03] <mnewton> Hey how do I copy an image to clipboard
[02:03] <mnewton> Hey how do I copy an image to clipboard commandline
[02:03] <grahamsavage> KnownSyntax; vsftpd has a local_enable=YES.. which it says "Virtual users will use the same privileges as local users. It will grant write access to virtual users. Virtual users will use the same privileges as anonymous users, which tends to be more restrictive"
[02:03] <pleanbean> Should my swap space be a Primary or Logical partition?
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  when in doubt - use all primaries
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  unless you know you will need more then 4 partitions
[02:04] <KnownSyntax> It should work grahamsavage, although I always use proftpd so my knowledge of vsftpd's config and stuff is somewhat limited.
[02:04] <zykotick9> pleanbean: doesn't really matter
[02:04] <EleanorEllis> I cant get Startup Disk Creator to work. I can select the iso and the usb stick but "Make Startup Disk" is greyed out. I have tried formatting the stick already
[02:05] <EleanorEllis> I dont want to use unetbootin as I need to do an oem install and unetbootin doesnt give that option. Plus unetbootin crashes on the target pc
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  is the stick mounted or unmounted?  i tend to use the tools from the pendrivelinux site
[02:05] <jmgk> Dr_Willis, do u use xchat?
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  you can use dd to write the iso directkyto the usb also
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> jmgk:  i use weechat mainly
[02:05] <jmgk> weeeeeee
[02:05] <pleanbean> When I install, do I select /sdc or /sdc2 or whatever my / partition is
[02:05] <jmgk> :P
[02:05] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: If the stick is unmounted then it doesnt appear in Startup Disk Creator at all. If it's mounted then it shows but cant make the disk
[02:06] <xmetal> ok so i got the iso for 12.04 and have it started in vm atm
[02:06] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  / goes to a partion sdc1 or whateer.. GRUB installt to the  Mbr of the drive.. sdc  NO #
[02:07] <grahamsavage> KnownSyntax: yeah.. ok.. maybe i just try whatever and then see if it works
[02:07] <grahamsavage> haha
[02:07] <KnownSyntax> lol
[02:07] <grahamsavage> i've got this weird habit, where i type up everything in .sh files without running anything
[02:08] <grahamsavage> mind you, if you need to do something twice.. it makes it very easy
[02:08] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  how did you unmount it? the gui can unmount and actually detatch the device so its no longer seen by the bios.
[02:08] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: Yes I used the gui. I will try in terminal
[02:08] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  i tnd to use the cli to unmount the things.
[02:10] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: umount in cli makes no difference
[02:10] <EleanorEllis> Im trying to find how to create the stick with dd
[02:12] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys im having a problem when i am idle or every couple of minutes my wifi conncetion drops i tried removing network-manager and instead using wicd but the same problem persists.
[02:12] <Guest9068> where do i change the theme of gnome notifications?
[02:13] <Psil0Cybin> i am completely out of ideas, thsi leaves me unable to download files @ night
[02:13] <Psil0Cybin> only torrents because i can reconncet on connection loss
[02:13] <Psil0Cybin> what can i do?!
[02:13] <Psil0Cybin> i think i might reformat i have tried every guide and it works perfect on windows
[02:14] <grahamsavage> hmm vsftpd looks a bit too complicated
[02:14] <grahamsavage> might try a look at pureftpd
[02:15] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:    sudo dd if=thefile.iso  of=/dev/sdX bs=4M     and DONT get /dev/sdX wrong.
[02:15] <Guest9068> Psil0Cybin: may be issue of power management
[02:15] <Psil0Cybin> Guest9068: I have tried every solution to power management, issues. nothing fix's it
[02:15] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  use the ping command to keep pinging some site every 10 sec or so - seen that in the forums as a work around
[02:15] <Psil0Cybin> i have found muliple solutions, none that work for me
[02:16] <Psil0Cybin> yea but thats the only solution? feels so ghetto
[02:16] <Psil0Cybin> ugh
[02:16] <Dr_Willis> if it works... it works
[02:16] <pleanbean> Dr_Willis: No luck. Installed, still getting the black screen
[02:16] <Dr_Willis> I have no idea if it works.. if it does work - that points to a   power saveing issue
[02:16] <Psil0Cybin> Dr_Willis: i might as well keep IRC on, but this still is just a silly work around i want a solution :( ugh
[02:16] <Guest9068> what is your version of ubuntu?
[02:16] <Psil0Cybin> 12.04
[02:16] <Psil0Cybin> Guest9068:
[02:16] <Psil0Cybin> LTS
[02:17] <Psil0Cybin> as long as i keep browsing
[02:17] <Psil0Cybin> my downloads are fine
[02:17] <Psil0Cybin> but go to the washroom and all my HTTP downloads timeout
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  if its a driver issue. then the kernel/drivers will need to get fixed basically
[02:17] <Guest9068> what is model and name of your wireless card?
[02:17] <Psil0Cybin> Guest9068: what command do i type
[02:18] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  seen if it still happens in the newer releases/kernels?
[02:18] <EleanorEllis> Psil0Cybin: Could you connect to your router with a cable? Would that be a workaround?
[02:18] <Dr_Willis> 'lspci' gives you hardware info
[02:18] <Psil0Cybin> 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[02:19] <Dr_Willis> if you dont even know your wireless chipset :) that is rther critical info. ;P
[02:19] <Dr_Willis> there ya go.
[02:19] <Guest9068> i have the same model
[02:19] <bonhoeffer> i just installed the mysql client -- but it isn't coming up in dash home -- is there a way to re-index
[02:19] <Guest9068> on 13.04
[02:19] <Dr_Willis> check for that exact chipset in the forums and askubuntu.com - there may be some boot options or kernel options for it
[02:19] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: Thanks. That worked
[02:19] <Dr_Willis> mysql client is a gui tool?
[02:20] <wylde> !info mysql-client
[02:20] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  of course if you want to use the flash drive as a normal flash now.. you will need to zero it and repartion/reformat it again. ;)
[02:20] <wylde> not to my knowledge. Although there are front ends in the repos I believe
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> Dr_Willis: i found something similar
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> http://askubuntu.com/questions/118023/wireless-connection-with-an-atheros-ar9285-keeps-dropping-every-20-minutes
[02:20] <xsi> Hi what's the list of current user's questions, may I ask?
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> im going to try some of the stuff
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> let you knjow how it goes
[02:20] <bonhoeffer> Dr_Willis, as far i know -- i'm used to just using the cli for mysql
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> but i tried the modeprobe stuff and options ath9k nohwcrypt=1
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> nothing works
[02:21] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: Thats all right. I have so many flash drives and I almost never use any of them
[02:22] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: It is worth trying one of the Kernel Team's mainline builds of a very recent kernel, such as v3.11, because that will likely have many bug fixes in it
[02:22] <Guest9068> Psil0Cybin: do you have experienced set ip manually, just to test?
[02:22] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  you can always dd anothe riso to it. :)
[02:23] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: The irony is I'm doing all this so I can give an old machine away whose CD drive has given up. Or maybe it's the IDE controlled or cable that's given up. Don't know. But so long as the machine is working then someone else can fit a new CD drive if they want it
[02:24] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  i had an ide cable that got nicked by a sharp edge on a case :) took me foreever to find the cause
[02:24] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: It's being tracked in bug #773154
[02:24] <nrdb> I have a oddity here.  I have setup a computer with several Xen VM's the ping times to these are averaging about 20ms ... but when I ping another real computer I average about 1.5ms ... why speed difference?
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> TJ Guest9068 it worked a few weeks ago perfectly fine before i installed Samba...
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> no its automatic
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> but it works like that with a live cd
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> so i feel like something is messed up
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> could it be? DHCP lease times
[02:26] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: It could easily be something like that. The CD drive works on a USB adaptor but I couldnt get the OEM install to work off the CD for some reason. It is working off the USB stick now.
[02:27] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Reading the log files is the about the only way to gather evidence as to the cause, then you can figure out the correct solution
[02:29]  * iananananan is away: homework
[02:30] <EleanorEllis> Installing Ubuntu alongside windows XP on a 40GB drive what would be a sensible split between ubuntu and windows so that windows stands at least some chance of working? I have a second 40GB drive I can use for extra storage but I am reluctant to put the home partition on the second hard drive in case the second drive fails and then whoever has the computer cant work out how to fix it
[02:31] <nrdb> EleanorEllis, I reserved 100GB for windows.
[02:31] <EleanorEllis> The machine has a bare install of XP with SP3 but nothing else and that takes up 11GB
[02:31] <EleanorEllis> nrdb: Nice try but its only a 40GB drive
[02:31] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: There were a huge number of fixes committed to the ath9k driver in August, so a later kernel would very likely be a solution. The only other suggestion would be to ensure the WiFi DHCP server has a long lease-time so the clients aren't having to re-acquire a lease too rapidly, which seems to be another issue that affects the ath9k devices (can't see why!)
[02:31] <EleanorEllis> nrdb: It's an old PC
[02:32] <pleanbean> Dr_Willis, I need more help
[02:32] <EleanorEllis> I usually setup a swap partition about twice the size of the RAM but on this little drive every gig counts. Will performance suffer much without a swap partition?
[02:33] <TJ-> EleanorEllis: swap = RAM + 500MB is enough ... that extra is there for future hibernate support, so not vital currently.
[02:33] <Psil0Cybin> see what i mean i keep getting disconnected
[02:33] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: There were a huge number of fixes committed to the ath9k driver in August, so a later kernel would very likely be a solution. The only other suggestion would be to ensure the WiFi DHCP server has a long lease-time so the clients aren't having to re-acquire a lease too rapidly, which seems to be another issue that affects the ath9k devices (can't see why!)
[02:34] <nrdb> EleanorEllis, how much memory on the computer?
[02:34] <EleanorEllis> 1GB RAM and hibernate is not an issue as its a desktop and so old I doubt it would come out of hibernation
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  im at work. so i am in and out all day long.
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> i may have to vanish with out notice
[02:35] <pleanbean> OK
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: im fairly new to to linux, that is my problem i am unsure of how to install a new kernal
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> i usually just update
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> through the manager.
[02:35] <pleanbean> Boot Repair is giving me this error:
[02:35] <nrdb> EleanorEllis, I think about 29 windows, 10 linux, 1 swap would work OK.
[02:35] <yans> Hello People.
[02:35] <pleanbean> GPT detected. Please create a BIOS-Boot partition (>1MB, unformatted filesystem, bios_grub flag).
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  a quick and easy way to test - would be to see the 13.10 beta live cd has the same issue. If it works right - that points to the new kernels being a fix. ;)
[02:35] <EleanorEllis> nrdb: Thanks
[02:36] <nrdb> EleanorEllis, of course fully backup windows first.
[02:37] <EleanorEllis> nrdb: Backup windows? Nah! It's a fresh install and I dont care about it that much
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, Ordered a samsung, 32 inch 1080p, thanks for the help.
[02:37] <pleanbean> Can anyone help me with this error message? From Boot Repair: GPT detected. Please create a BIOS-Boot partition (>1MB, unformatted filesystem, bios_grub flag).
[02:37] <pleanbean> [7:35pm]
[02:38] <EleanorEllis> Is there any reason not to use ext4 nowadays?
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  ive never been brave enough to order somting that fragile off the internet. ;)
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  i got some old linux based tv-home-theater devovces that cant handle ext4  so i use ext3 for external drives for them
[02:39] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: There's info on installing mainline kernels built by the kernel-team here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  it wants a partition at the start of the drive to use for gpt booting it seems
[02:39] <EleanorEllis> nrdb: I usually make a separate home partition but as space is limited perhaps I should just make a root partition.
[02:39] <wylde> pleanbean: it means you've used gpt to partition your disc but didn't create an empty bios_boot >1MB at the beginning
[02:39] <nrdb> EleanorEllis, I don't think so, but the extra capacity sure isn't needed.
[02:39] <EleanorEllis> Dr_Willis: I am installing 12.04 on this box
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, bought the 4 years insurance, I have a neighbor who bought a gigantic 3d hdmi tv off the net, so I'm not worried amazon is an upstanding place to buy in general. ;)
[02:40] <pleanbean> Ok so I have to reformat my drive?
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  ext4 has been the default for several releases now.   I have linux media players that are going on 6+ yrs old. ;)
[02:40] <nrdb> I have a oddity here.  I have setup a computer with several Xen VM's the ping times to these are averaging about 20ms ... but when I ping another real computer I average about 1.5ms ... why speed difference?
[02:40] <EleanorEllis> Is ext4 any more reliable or faster than ext3 or is it just it can handle bigger drives?
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  or resize the first primary partion perhaps. I dont use gpt.
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> EleanorEllis:  yes to all 3 ;)
[02:41] <EleanorEllis> Fine. I will use ext4 tjem
[02:41] <wylde> pleanbean: what Dr_Willis said. I don't use gpt either
[02:41] <pleanbean> What do you guys use then?
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> older pcs use the normal msdos mbr stuff
[02:42] <wylde> pleanbean: plain old MBR with ext4 here
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> gpt has only in the last year or so gotten more commonplace
[02:42] <pleanbean> OK
[02:42] <EleanorEllis> I do wish the install partitioner made the distinction between GB and GiB. I keep calculating the partion sizes wrong!
[02:44] <pleanbean> Dr_Willis, now I need a bios_boot, swap space, / and /home partitions?
[02:44] <bonhoeffer> is there a shortcut to type in the file manager to manually enter a path
[02:44] <bonhoeffer> ?
[02:45] <EleanorEllis> Is there any advantage to having more than the RAM size for the swap partition? Out of 41.1GB I have 29GB for windows, 10GB for ubuntu, leaving 2110MB for swap but the machine only has 1 GiB of RAM
[02:46] <pleanbean> Should I use Logical Volume Management?
[02:46] <vemacs> EleanorEllis: If you're that low on RAM, you might want to look into zram
[02:47] <vemacs> compressed block device, definitely faster than swap, works wonders on my netbook
[02:47] <vemacs> sudo apt-get install zram-config
[02:47] <vemacs> and no, not really. you don't want to be swapping that badly.
[02:48] <wilee-nilee> EleanorEllis, generally all you need for swap is slightly more than ram.
[02:48] <vemacs> better yet, don't swap.
[02:48] <vemacs> zram or more RAM :P
[02:48] <EleanorEllis> vemacs: Its an old PC, it can only take 1GB of RAM
[02:49] <vemacs> EleanorEllis: You might want to look into zram then.
[02:49] <vemacs> With it, unity runs very smoothly on my 1GB netbook
[02:49] <Psil0Cybin> hey TJ
[02:49] <Psil0Cybin> see i got disconnected again i cannot find a solution
[02:49] <Psil0Cybin> sigh
[02:49] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: have you monitored the log files to see what they show when the disconnect occurs?
[02:50] <Psil0Cybin> where would the log files be
[02:50] <Psil0Cybin> for Wifi
[02:50] <wilee-nilee> EleanorEllis, I would set the swappiness to a lower number than the stock 60 is all, like 5-10
[02:51] <wylde> EleanorEllis: if you ever want to "sleep" the machine you need swap anyway.
[02:51] <vemacs> in fact, I would suggest a lighter distro
[02:51] <vemacs> like lubuntu or such.
[02:51] <EleanorEllis> wilee-nilee: I dont know how to set swappiness, what does that do?
[02:52] <vemacs> EleanorEllis: this article should answer all your questions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[02:52] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Open a terminal and then run "tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager | tee /tmp/nm.log" and keep watching it. As soon as the disconnect happens press Ctrl+C to stop it. The message you saw have been saved into a text file at "/tmp/nm.log" so you can upload its contents to pastebin so we can view it.
[02:52] <vemacs> See: How much swap do I need? and What is swappiness and how do I change it?
[02:52] <EleanorEllis> Besides I'm only doing an OEM install on it so I can give the machine away. I dont want to spend too much time on it. Can I install zRAM in an OEM install without setting up a user?
[02:53] <vemacs> Yes. You can possibly log into that install from a live CD/USB
[02:53] <vemacs> and apt-get install zram-config.
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> EleanorEllis, Lots of info on the web here is one that should help. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F
[02:54] <vemacs> EleanorEllis: there is a temporary OEM account you can use
[02:54] <vemacs> see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview
[02:54] <vemacs> you can use that to install updates, configure swappiness, install zram, etc...
[02:54] <jmgk> Do companies sell Ubuntu on regular pc's now
[02:54] <jmgk> ?
[02:54] <vemacs> yep.
[02:54] <jmgk> oh
[02:54] <jmgk> I was wondering
[02:54] <EleanorEllis> jmgk: I gather Dell did for a while but I dont know if they still do
[02:55] <Psil0Cybin> i type in tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager | tee /tmp/nm.log TJ
[02:55] <Psil0Cybin> it does nothing
[02:55] <jmgk> I see
[02:55] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: hang on, did you reinstall Network Manager after you tried wicd?
[02:55] <Psil0Cybin> yup
[02:55] <Psil0Cybin> im using it now
[02:55] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: OK, then, when it reports something the messages will appear
[02:56] <Psil0Cybin> kk
[02:56] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: If you want to be sure Network Manager is logging to syslog, in a terminal do "grep NetworkManager /var/log/syslog" and you should see all messages from it. If you see nothing, its possible it is logging to a different file
[02:57] <Psil0Cybin> it might be TJ i see nothing
[02:57] <Psil0Cybin> just that it is waiting
[02:58] <pleanbean> Wow this is absurdly frustrating
[02:59] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: If syslog currently has no NetworkManager messages then we need to find out which file they're going to! Try this: "grep NetworkManager /var/log/*/log" and see which files (if any) are listed.
[02:59] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Typo!! try this instead: "grep NetworkManager /var/log/*/.og" and see which files (if any) are listed.
[03:00] <TJ-> oh fooey my typos are getting worse!
[03:00] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Typo!! try this instead: "grep NetworkManager /var/log/*.log" and see which files (if any) are listed.
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> Oct  1 22:49:10 TheHive NetworkManager[984]: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IPv4 Commit) started...
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> Oct  1 22:49:11 TheHive NetworkManager[984]: <info> DNS: starting dnsmasq...
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> Oct  1 22:49:11 TheHive NetworkManager[984]: <error> [1380682151.340969] [nm-dns-dnsmasq.c:393] update(): dnsmasq not available on the bus, can't update servers.
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> Oct  1 22:49:11 TheHive NetworkManager[984]: <error> [1380682151.341015] [nm-dns-dnsmasq.c:395] update(): dnsmasq owner not found on bus: Could not get owner of name 'uk.org.thekelleys.dnsmasq': no such name
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> Oct  1 22:49:11 TheHive NetworkManager[984]: <warn> DNS: plugin dnsmasq update failed
[03:00] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:01] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: pastebin the entries so we can all view them
[03:02] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/0XPVFhCT
[03:03] <barrett> i want to search for a string in all all files *.nfo recursively.  I tried #find Folder -name *.nfo | grep -i string   but that only greps the list out of "find" how can I search the contents of the files?
[03:04] <xubuntu> hey
[03:04] <xubuntu> Okay i don't know why I'm named xubuntu
[03:04] <somsip> barrett: grep -ir string *.nfo (I think)
[03:04] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Was that everything, or just what was left in the terminal window?
[03:04] <Psil0Cybin> no just the warning
[03:04] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: That looks like the final part of the reconnect... the messages we need to see will be from before that, when it disconnected.
[03:05] <Guest31461> anyhow.  I changed some driver stuff and crashed an install of xubuntu. Decided to reinstall via my live usb, but it fails saying grub couldn't install in /dev/sda, this is a fatal error
[03:05] <bamphomet> anyone have a Realtek 8188EE wireless card working with ubuntu?
[03:05] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: If you've not stopped the message capture by pressing Ctrl+C do that now, then use a text editor to load "/tmp/nm.log" and pastebin its entire contents, please
[03:05] <Guest31461> I think it has something to do with my hardrives being in RAID
[03:06] <Guest31461> And now grub isn't recognizing them
[03:06] <Guest31461> But I can't install Ubuntu so my whole laptop is dead in the water except for this live usb
[03:06] <TJ-> Guest31461: From the liveISO you'll need to manually configure the live environment to assemble and mount the RAID devices first
[03:06] <Psil0Cybin> im running this command
[03:06] <Psil0Cybin> grep NetworkManager /var/log/*/log
[03:06] <Psil0Cybin> TJ
[03:06] <Psil0Cybin> do you want me to post everything
[03:06] <Psil0Cybin> ?
[03:06] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:07] <Guest31461> TJ-: what's the best way to do that?
[03:07] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: No, if the output in pastebin you showed us a few minutes ago was the result of that command, its not useful right now.
[03:08] <Psil0Cybin> oh
[03:08] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[03:08] <Psil0Cybin> my lease time is set at 4320 on my router
[03:08] <Psil0Cybin> is that fine?>
[03:08] <Guest31461> TJ-: I found a program called mdadm, is that the right thing I should be looking into?
[03:08] <TJ-> Guest31461: Depends on how you configured the RAID; only you know that. Probably you'll need mdadm and maybe the lvm toosl too, depending on configuration
[03:08] <pleanbean> Can someone have a look at this BootRepair paste
[03:08] <pleanbean> And tell me why I can't boot into Ubuntu?
[03:09] <pleanbean> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6182253/
[03:09] <Guest31461> TJ-: I didn't configure the RAID. This is a new laptop that came in RAID
[03:09] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: 4320 in seconds? So about 72 minutes?
[03:09] <Guest31461> TJ-:It worked the first time I installed Ubuntu, it's just after it crashed I can't reinstall it anymore
[03:10] <TJ-> Guest31461: You'll need to find out how it is configured then. If its hardware RAID it shouldn't affect the OS, but if its soft-raid you'll need to use the correct tools to reassemble the RAID array
[03:10] <Guest31461> TJ-:/dev/mapper shows my RAID configuration, but I'm really not sure what to do with that. Can I just link it to /dev/sda or something?
[03:10] <Guest31461> TJ-:And I believe it's hardware raid
[03:11] <pleanbean> Can someone please help me?
[03:11] <TJ-> Guest31461: No you can't link it. The device nodes in /dev/mapper/ are created by dmsetup and tools that call its library.
[03:12] <Guest31461> TJ-: So I do need to reassemble them?
[03:13] <Guest31461> TJ-: I mean it's that or I can try to save my old XUbuntu config, it just goes to black screen where I can't type after showing the xubuntu logo briefly
[03:14] <EleanorEllis> This PC I am rebuilding is a Dell Dimension 2400 with 1GB RAM, twin 40GB hard disks and a Celeron 2.8GHz processor. Just looked on Ebay and someone bought one for £66! Unbelievable. Cheapest one sold for under a tenner. I will throw in a 19" 1280*1024 monitor so hopefully the charity shop should be able to get something reasonable for it.
[03:15] <TJ-> Guest31461: I don't know if you do need to assemble the array or not; because I don't know the RAID configuration. You're the only one can sort that out since you have control of the PC. It's a complex area not suited to trying to support over IRC, it needs hands-on to ensure no mistakes are made
[03:15] <EleanorEllis> For that money I really can't be bothered to flog it on Ebay
[03:16] <Guest31461> TJ-: sounds way out of my league
[03:17] <Guest31461> TJ-: I think I'm better off trying to fix the whole xubuntu not loading thing, I'll try that in the chat
[03:18] <TJ-> Guest31461: Yes, that might be best... you might save a lot of pain in the long run, it might be something a little easier!
[03:18] <Guest31461> I'm running Xubuntu and after changing a synaptics and mtracker value in my xorgs, then logging out, the whole system went black screen. I'm unable to type when this happens. After rebooting, the xubuntu logo shows for a second, then it goes back to black screen. What did I do and can I fix it?
[03:19] <TJ-> Guest31461: If you interrupt GRUB by holding Shift down as the PC starts, then use one of the Recovery options, you might be able to get to a single-user root recovery shell
[03:19] <TJ-> Guest31461: IF you can get to the recovery root shell, you're in a position to investigate and fix
[03:19] <Guest31461> TJ-: Now that sounds useful. I could get into my xorg files then?
[03:19] <TJ-> Guest31461: precisely :)
[03:20] <Guest31461> TJ-: Hell. Yes. You are a life saver
[03:20] <Guest31461> TJ-: I guess you'll know it didn't work if I'm back in here in a second.
[03:20] <wilee-nilee> pleanbean, uefi is not a high channel help area, combined with lvm makes it even harder I would use the ubuntu forums as well.
[03:21] <pleanbean> I've been using the Ubuntu forums but I haven't had much success
[03:21] <pleanbean> And I'm not trying to wait a couple hours each time I have a question
[03:21] <TJ-> Guest31461: The first thing to do is inspect the log-files in /var/log/. List them by most recently changed using "ls -latr /var/log/". The most recent files are at the end of the list. Choose from amongst them and read them with a text viewer. E.g. "less /var/log/kern.log" or "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" ... "less" is a pager so you can move through the files easily
[03:22] <camel_> how can i use ubuntu vist abroad websites
[03:22] <codex> pleanbean: sounds like you need to pay for support
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> pleanbean, here is a general thread there you want this authors help, they will stop by your thread if the header at the least has uefi in it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> camel_, Can you explain this in more detail?
[03:23] <Dr_Willis__> pleanbean:  its also possible if the hard drive is totally unpartitioned and you tell the installer to use the whole hard drive. it may partition it as needed.
[03:23] <pleanbean> Dr_Willis__ I just tried that, no success
[03:24] <Dr_Willis__> i also seem to recall some pcs/mbs have options to use nongpt setups. but im just going from what ive heard in here.
[03:25] <camel_> there are a great fireware prevent me to vist abroad website
[03:26] <saik0> the nut init script has a poweroff action, I'm not sure how this is called by init/upstart, can somebody point me to some docs?
[03:27] <wilee-nilee> camel_, What is your native language, there are many ubuntu channels for natives, you might get answers there.
[03:27] <Dr_Willis__> !upstart | saik0
[03:28] <pleanbean> Alright, now LVM did some stuff and I can't repartition my drive
[03:28] <camel_> yeah ,but if you have a idea ,more better
[03:28] <Dr_Willis__> camel_:  what you have said - makes very little sence.
[03:29] <Dr_Willis__> camel_:  you mean your isps fireWALL is blocking you?
[03:29] <camel_> sorry ,there is something wrong in my words
[03:29] <saik0> Dr_Willis__: Right, I've searched that for "poweroff" and it has no matches.
[03:29] <EleanorEllis> !offtopic
[03:29] <camel_> yeah, the firewall stop me
[03:30] <Dr_Willis__> saik0:  the shutdown and perhaps other commands have poweroff options also
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> !cn | camel_
[03:30] <Dr_Willis__> camel_:  so use a proxy, or vps, i guess. not really a ubuntu support specific issue
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> ip is china
[03:31] <camel_> hehe ,you are right ,you have known where i am from
[03:31] <jmgk> Greetings camel_
[03:31] <pleanbean> Dr_Willis__: For some reason I can't create a partition table for my drive because of lvm
[03:31] <jmgk> ::)
[03:31] <Dr_Willis__> pleanbean:  you could use dd to zero out the hard drive and repartition. but ive never used lvm, there may better ways to unlvm a drive
[03:32] <Dr_Willis__> 'un-lvm' ;)
[03:32] <camel_> I have an another question ,do you often use python to program
[03:32] <Dr_Willis__> python is a common and popular language camel_
[03:35] <camel_> yeah ,i know ,do you have any works on it
[03:35] <TJ-> pleanbean: What tool(s) are you using to do the partitioning?
[03:35] <pleanbean> TJ-: Gparted
[03:35] <bazhang> !ot | camel_
[03:36] <TJ-> pleanbean: From within the Ubuntu installer, or from a LiveISO session, or some other way?
[03:36] <wilee-nilee> camel_, Do you want to have the windows, and do you gave it cloned if so?
[03:36] <Dr_Willis__> bbl
[03:36] <wilee-nilee> have*
[03:37] <pleanbean> TJ-: A LiveISO session, and I've also done it within the Ubuntu installer
[03:37] <TJ-> pleanbean: And is it OK to totally clear/wipe the drive before starting over? Or is there something on there that has to be kept?
[03:37] <pleanbean> No I can totally wipe it
[03:38] <pleanbean> Right now I'm trying to figure out how to do that
[03:38] <camel_> when i used ubuntu ,I find that it's the future
[03:38] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, lets do this the easy way. Close the gparted GUI and open a shell terminal so we can use the command line
[03:38] <pleanbean> OK
[03:38] <pleanbean> Command line open
[03:38] <TJ-> pleanbean: Does the liveISO PC have network connectivity right now? Can it get to the Internet?
[03:38] <pleanbean> Yes
[03:39] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, lets install a helpful tool if it isn't already there: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[03:39] <barrett> i'm trying to do a recursive grep for the string "DVD" in all files *.nfo   but grep -r "DVD" *.nfo   says "*.nfo: No such file or directory" yet there are tons of those files in subdirectories of the current directory.  What am I doing wrong?
[03:40] <pleanbean> Ok
[03:40] <pleanbean> TJ-: Got pastebinit
[03:41] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, lets find out what, if anything, is currently mounted: "mount | pastebinit" ... and give us the URL it provides so we can view the output
[03:41] <pleanbean> paste.ubuntu.com/6182322
[03:41] <HardlyNeutral> @barrett Try this link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1225603/grep-a-string-recursively-in-all-htaccess-files. It references a different file type but the methodology should be the same.
[03:42] <TJ-> pleanbean: Good. No LVM volumes mounted to get in the way
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> TJ-, Not sure if you would want it but pleanbean has a boot info script posted as well.
[03:42] <barrett> HardlyNeutral, thanks
[03:42] <TJ-> wilee-nilee: Yeah, I have read through it
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> cool
[03:42] <pleanbean> :0
[03:43] <pleanbean> :) *
[03:44] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, /dev/sda is the 1TB drive. It has an EFI boot partition (sda1). That contains some Microsoft Windows boot files. Do you need to keep those?
[03:44] <pleanbean> Nope
[03:44] <HardlyNeutral> barrett, no problem
[03:46] <TJ-> pleanbean: lets see what GPT tools are available: "which sgdisk" ... does it show a path or nothing at all?
[03:46] <pleanbean> nothing
[03:47] <TJ-> pleanbean: do "sudo apt-get install gdisk"
[03:47] <pleanbean> Done
[03:47] <TJ-> pleanbean: Let's find out what's on there: "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[03:48] <pleanbean> paste.ubuntu.com/6182350
[03:49] <camel_> how can i compile a wireless drive in ubuntu 10.04
[03:50] <KnownSyntax> camel_ is the driver for Linux or is there only a Windows version?
[03:50] <abaddon> camel_: do you have the source code?
[03:50] <camel_> for linux
[03:50] <camel_> i don't have source code
[03:51] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, let's try the first and easiest approach. We'll wipe the GPT info from sda so it appears to be a raw unused new drive, and then you run the Ubuntu installer and let it do its own choice of partitioning, ensuring that 'sda' is chosen as the boot device.
[03:51] <abaddon> camel_: Do you have the files needed to compile?
[03:51] <TJ-> pleanbean: If that fails, we can intervene later
[03:51] <pleanbean> Ok
[03:51] <pleanbean> For the record I tried that already but lets do it again!
[03:51] <pleanbean> How do I wipe the GPT info?
[03:52] <TJ-> pleanbean: so to wipe the GPT info: "sudo sgdisk --clear /dev/sda"
[03:52] <camel_> no
[03:52] <pleanbean> Ok
[03:52] <TJ-> pleanbean: Then check the info is gone with "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda" ... it should tell you there's no MBR or GPT and no partitions
[03:52] <abaddon> camel_: , Ok, what is the driver you are trying to get?
[03:52] <camel_> i have a linux ,but it can't find the wifi signal
[03:52] <Paulus68_1> is there a way that I can directly import my outlook 2010 pst into thunderbird?
[03:53] <abaddon> camel_: Ubuntu distro?
[03:53] <TJ-> pleanbean: The reason we're doing it again from scratch is, I can follow along knowing exactly what should be where, so that if it fails to boot, I can guide you to repair it accurately
[03:53] <pleanbean> paste.ubuntu.com/6182363
[03:53] <abaddon> camel_: SORRY, DERP
[03:53] <camel_> ubuntu10.04
[03:54] <bazhang> camel_, thats not supported any longer
[03:54] <abaddon> camel_: ok, type in a terminal sudo ifconfig
[03:54] <bazhang> camel_, upgrade your ubuntu version
[03:54] <zykotick9> bazhang: on desktop ;)
[03:54] <camel_> but my linux is based on it
[03:54] <TJ-> pleanbean: Nice and clean. Start the Ubiquity installer and let it do automatic partitioning, ensuring 'sda' is selected in the boot-loader selection.
[03:54] <abaddon> camel_: What do you see?
[03:54] <pleanbean> Ubiquity installer?
[03:55] <bazhang> zykotick9, he's asking for wireless help, and thats pretty clear
[03:55] <TJ-> pleanbean: "Ubiquity" is the name of the Ubuntu Installer :p
[03:55] <bazhang> camel_, is this MINT?
[03:55] <camel_> yeah
[03:55] <TJ-> pleanbean: In other words, start the installer :)
[03:55] <pleanbean> Ok
[03:55] <KingJoffrey> hello
[03:55] <wylde> camel_: what's the output of lsb_relase -sc
[03:55] <bazhang> camel_, MINT is not supported here
[03:55] <wylde> camel_: what's the output of lsb_release -sc
[03:55] <bazhang> !mintsupport | camel_
[03:56] <zykotick9> wylde: we already know it's mint... doesn't matter what version.
[03:56] <wylde> zykotick9: alrighty
[03:57] <camel_> it's not the linux i using
[03:57] <pleanbean> TJ-: Should I select "Something else"?
[03:58] <TJ-> pleanbean: No! Select the automatic partitioning options, with LVM. (I can't recall the exact wording of the options now)
[03:58] <pleanbean> OK. Theres nowhere to ensure 'sea' is selected in the boot-loader selection though
[03:58] <abaddon> camel_: in the term type sudo ifconfig. If you see lo, lan, and/or wlan0 then it's not a driver issue
[03:58] <zykotick9> camel_: you're using mint, that's not supported in #ubuntu at all.  seek support in mint's channel.
[03:58] <pleanbean> 'sda'*
[03:58] <TJ-> pleanbean: That comes later
[03:58] <camel_> ok ,i got it
[03:59] <abaddon> camel_: got what?
[03:59] <pleanbean> Should I use advanced partitioning tool at all?
[03:59] <camel_> i will try next time
[03:59] <TJ-> pleanbean: I recall it used to be the final dialog where you confirm the settings, before it starts, but the installer has become more active lately, doing things in the background before you've finished entering all the configuration details :)
[03:59] <camel_> hehe
[04:00] <abaddon> camel_: ???
[04:00] <TJ-> pleanbean: hang on. Which version of Ubuntu are you installing? I need to check what options you're seeing at this point
[04:00] <pleanbean> TJ-: 13.04
[04:01] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, let me check. I've been installing 13.10 alot recently and it changed a lot in that area, so I need to refresh my memory on 13.04
[04:01] <camel_> i will type sudo ifconfig as i use mint next time
[04:01] <pleanbean> I can install 13.10 instead
[04:02] <abaddon> camel_: I thought you had ubu? Not mint?
[04:02] <pleanbean> Never mind lets stick with 13.04
[04:02] <abaddon> camel_: though, the command will work there as well
[04:03] <abaddon> camel_: if you have wlan0 in ifconfig then you have wireless. But ether the wifi switch is off or no network manager is running
[04:03] <camel_> i startup network manager ,but it said there are no wifi
[04:04] <abaddon> camel_: For ubu or mint?
[04:04] <camel_> ubu
[04:04] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, I'm looking at the steps and screen-shots on this page. Are you at step 4? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-latest
[04:04] <bateee> Hi, does any one know, how to configure pam_faildelay to delay the failed login attempts in ubuntu 12.04?
[04:04] <bazhang> camel_, you're using MINT, dont ask for support here
[04:04] <pleanbean> TJ- Essentially yes, but it doesn't look exactly the same.
[04:05] <TJ-> pleanbean: Presumably, you don't see the mentions of Windows?
[04:05] <pleanbean> TJ-: Exactly. I'm actually on step 6 I hope I didn't go too far
[04:06] <pleanbean> TJ-: I selected sda as the drive
[04:06] <pleanbean> Tj-: In step 5, that is
[04:06] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, I think you're good to carry on. As long as you've let the installer decide on the partitioning rather than got involved in doing it manually
[04:06] <abaddon> camel_: well, if wlan0 is in the ifconfig listing then you could try sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[04:06] <pleanbean> TJ-: Okay, I'm going to go ahead and install. I'll be back if it doesn't work.
[04:07] <camel_> o ,i see
[04:07] <abaddon> camel_: that should switch it on unless the hardware switch on the laptop or desktop is torned to the off button
[04:07] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK ... good luck... and remember, when you reboot the PC, unplug the liveISO device, and also ensure that the BIOS/firmware boot order is set to try booting from the hard drive :)
[04:07] <beavis> thatdude
[04:08] <beavis> need help
[04:08] <abaddon> camel_: If no wlan0 is found BUT eth0 is seen then get an ethernet cbl
[04:08] <pleanbean> TJ-: That's how I've been doing it. We'll see if this time is any different.
[04:09] <abaddon> camel_: then search for the needed drivers for your male/model laptop or desktop
[04:09] <camel_> what you mean ,my wireless card is not support
[04:10] <geektech713> what version of Ubuntu?
[04:10] <bateee> Hi, does any one know, how to configure pam_faildelay to delay the failed login attempts in Ubuntu 12.04? I know the configuration, but I don't know the exact file where it should be configured. Is it /etc/pam.d/common-password?
[04:10] <TJ-> pleanbean: If it fails to boot, we can boot the liveISO and then manually mount the new installation, chroot into it, and fix it
[04:10] <abaddon> camel_: Im not saying it isn't. it's just not possibly installed from the get go. eth0 is usually seen though which will allow you to connect to the net to do some searching
[04:11] <pleanbean> TJ-: Great, I'll let you know.
[04:11] <TJ-> pleanbean: I'm duplicating it here in a virtual machine
[04:11] <geektech713> just turn on wireless on ubuntu its takes some time i hve no issues
[04:11] <pleanbean> TJ-: I hope this isn't a BIOS issue, I've been getting some "CPU Over Temperature Errors" lately
[04:12] <TJ-> pleanbean: What make/model is the PC?
[04:12] <pleanbean> TJ-: Custom made
[04:12] <camel_> o
[04:13] <pleanbean> TJ-: Intel p67 mobo
[04:13] <abaddon> camel_: Yup, but I agree with the guys here. You should upgrade the os to at least Ubu 12.10
[04:14] <geektech713> 13.04
[04:14] <geektech713> why go with old stuff
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> 12.04 is the lt
[04:14] <geektech713> better drivers
[04:15] <abaddon> camel_: But, if nyou don't like the layout of Unity you can change it to Gnome, or Kde, or other Window environs/Desktop environs
[04:15] <geektech713> omg unity is so easy
[04:15] <camel_> but my os is based on 10.04, can i upgrade it
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> well isent 12.04.x using the newer kenrel from the newer reelases
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> camel_:  you can alwyas upgrade.. but a clean install maybe faster
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[04:15] <abaddon> camel_: Yes?? I'm not sure what you are worried about?
[04:16] <camel_> I am worried about the os's tools
[04:17] <abaddon> camel_: What tools o you fear loosing?
[04:17] <camel_> nothing,i will try next time
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> os tools?
[04:18] <abaddon> camel_: Ok mate, sorry I couldn't hlp much
[04:18] <camel_> thanks for your help
[04:19] <camel_> you make me know much
[04:19] <abaddon> Hey, does anyone know if weechat has support for pre selected IRC sites? Like, xchat's function for dropping you into a site through automation?
[04:19] <pleanbean> TJ-: No success, still boots to a black screen with blinking cursor
[04:20] <pleanbean> TJ-: I'm back in Ubuntu LiveOS
[04:20] <TJ-> pleanbean: I'm guessing you chose "Erase disk and install Ubuntu", and ticked "Use LVM with the new Ubuntu installation" ?
[04:20] <pleanbean> TJ-: Yes
[04:20] <orcadian> Hey can anyone help me with a fan issue?
[04:20] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK. let me catch up with you!
[04:20] <kaysee> hey
[04:20] <abaddon> camel_: Always glad to help. =] cheers and good luck
[04:21] <kaysee> whatz up !
[04:21] <TJ-> pleanbean: When you hit the 'blinking cursor', did you try holding down Shift as the PC boots to access the GRUB boot menu? I'm trying to determine how far into the start-up it got.
[04:21] <pleanbean> TJ-: I'll try that now
[04:21] <camel_> Do you know a news ,a rover study program a month and will release his own app
[04:21] <orcadian> My problem is that my fan is allways running and my temp are only 24 degrees (celsius)..so my fan shouldnt be running at all
[04:22] <orcadian> and yes its  a laptop..and it has optimus tech, but i have installed bumblebee
[04:22] <pleanbean> TJ-: Held down shift, no difference - still went to blinking cursor
[04:22] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, that should tell us the problem is with the BIOS, not with the installation.
[04:23] <camel_> Thank you ,abaddon
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> whats the packagename again to measure what slowing boot?
[04:23] <TJ-> pleanbean: what is the make/model of the motherboard, I want to research its BIOS options
[04:24] <pleanbean> TJ-: ASUS P8P67 EVO (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
[04:24] <abaddon> camel_: Np, were you adressing the question to m e when you were asking about the news, rover study thing?
[04:25] <camel_> yeah ,i saw the news ,how can he get it
[04:25] <abaddon> camel_: Sorry, how can who get the news?
[04:26] <TJ-> pleanbean: Read this... especially the 2nd message. That makes me ask "which connector and controller is the HDD connected to? "
[04:26] <TJ-> pleanbean: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2148858
[04:27] <camel_> i say  why the rove learn so fast
[04:27] <geektech713> get an A+ cert
[04:28] <pleanbean> TJ-: Hmm I'm not sure, how do I know which is the Marvel and which is the Intel SATA controller?
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> guys lets stick to ubuntu support
[04:28] <TJ-> pleanbean: I suspect, by reading the manual?
[04:28] <camel_> i hope to get a teacher or a guider
[04:28] <pleanbean> TJ-: Yeah haha let me go do that
[04:28] <geektech713> better off getting A+ cert ..
[04:29] <abaddon> camel_: Oh, I'm not sure. The rover has I'm sure thousands of algarhythems that allow it to judge data and asses it. It's psuido AI. It's not in my domain of underrstanding.
[04:29] <camel_> where are you from abaddon
[04:29] <wylde> !ot | camel_ abaddon
[04:29] <abaddon> camel_: Born in Russia; live in the US
[04:29] <Psil0Cybin> hey TJ- im back
[04:29] <Psil0Cybin> im still having troubles
[04:29] <Psil0Cybin> anything else you can think of?
[04:29] <TJ-> pleanbean: On page 2-3 of the manual, items 8 and 9 and 10
[04:30] <pleanbean> TJ-: Send me the document you're looking at
[04:30] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Without logs, no. We need firm diagnostic info
[04:30] <pleanbean> TJ-: Never mind, I got it
[04:30] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: what log would i be lookign @ again
[04:30] <abaddon> camel, to join another irc, type /join #ubuntu-offtopic we can chat there
[04:30] <Psil0Cybin> so i can monitor and make sure i can post the proper logs
[04:33] <TJ-> pleanbean: Looking at the firmware's "Boot" tab (section 3.7) it shows "Hard Drive BBS Priorities" as a sub-menu. I think you need to check that. Also, you might need to ensure the SATA controllers are in AHCI mode.
[04:33] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Whichever log-file is receiving messages from NetworkManager
[04:33] <Psil0Cybin> what was the command again TJ sorry
[04:34] <abaddon> camel_: type /join #ubuntu-offtopic to chat there. This is the help forum.
[04:36] <TJ-> pleanbean: Read page 2-22 *carefully* ... "The SATA6G_E1/E2 (navy blue) connectors are for DATA drives only."
[04:38] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: first confirm which log-file is receiving the NetworkManager messages with "sudo grep NetworkManager /var/log/{syslog,*.log}", then next time the wifi disconnects, review that file looking at the messages at the time of the disconnect and leading up to it... pastebin them, and ask someone to review them for clues as to why it disconnected
[04:39] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[04:39] <Psil0Cybin> so id just paste the output of
[04:39] <Psil0Cybin> sudo grep NetworkManager /var/log/{syslog,*.log}
[04:39] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[04:39] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:40] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: No! You'd use that command to identify WHICH log-file to check later when a disconnect occurs.
[04:40] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: That command will prefix each line of files that mention NetworkManager with the filename. That is the info that command is designed to get you... the filename
[04:41] <geektech713> i thought ubuntu sever had another channel
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> geektech713: it does
[04:41] <geektech713> what yall live on command lines in ubuntu?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> geektech713: #ubuntu-server
[04:41] <geektech713> i figured
[04:42] <geektech713> i had ubuntu server ..forums were good enough info on them
[04:42] <geektech713> to get GUI on the server side
[04:44] <TJ-> pleanbean: Any progress? Have you inspected the SATA connection for the 1TB drive to confirm it is NOT on one of those Marvell controller SATA connectors?
[04:47] <pleanbean> TJ-: Hey, made sure its in the Intel controller. Still getting blinking cursor. I'm back in LiveOS
[04:48] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK... did you also go into the motherboard setup and ensure the boot order options include that drive?
[04:49] <pleanbean> TJ- Yep.
[04:51] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: could this help
[04:51] <Psil0Cybin> http://pastebin.com/6LNZ2YDJ
[04:51] <Psil0Cybin> im not sure if i caught the problem
[04:51] <Psil0Cybin> or not
[04:51] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK... usually, the blinking cursor tells us that the firmware/BIOS hands over to GRUB, but then GRUB can't find the stage 1.5 files (for EFI that's the EFI boot 0xEF00 partition)
[04:51] <aliul> i cant open software center
[04:51] <aliul> in xubuntu 13.04
[04:51] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: You star! :D  "00:31:19 TheHive NetworkManager[984]: <info> WiFi now disabled by radio killswitch"
[04:52] <Psil0Cybin> no nono
[04:52] <Psil0Cybin> that was me turning it off
[04:52] <Psil0Cybin> and on
[04:52] <Psil0Cybin> to get it working again
[04:52] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:52] <Psil0Cybin> keep reading
[04:52] <pleanbean> TJ- Ok. Where should I go from here?
[04:52] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Oh fooey!
[04:52] <Psil0Cybin> i think at the bottom i get errors..
[04:52] <kingnick42> Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit, my wireless speeds fluctuate really really wildly, and drop out every so often, requiring to forget then reconnect to the network to pick it up again.
[04:52] <TJ-> pleanbean: I'm going to have you use the LiveISO to manually mount the installed system and then chroot into it to inspect it
[04:53] <kingnick42> Other devices right next to my laptop, over the same connection? Rock stable. My wireless card is an Intel Centrino N-1000, any ideas?
[04:53] <pleanbean> TJ0- Lets do it
[04:54] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: /var/log/syslog:Oct  2 00:43:01 TheHive NetworkManager[984]: <info> Unmanaged Device found; state CONNECTED forced. (see http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191889) ?
[04:54] <Psil0Cybin> maybe
[04:55] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: The WifI kill switch at 00:21:19 ... you did that as soon as it lost connectivity?
[04:55] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/2wbL11MX
[04:55] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK ... open a terminal
[04:55] <Psil0Cybin> here is the updaed one it just happend again
[04:55] <Psil0Cybin> so look @ the very bottom
[04:55] <Psil0Cybin> if it says kill switch again then that was not me
[04:55] <Psil0Cybin> it happend around 55-58
[04:55] <Psil0Cybin> 00:55-58
[04:56] <pleanbean> TJ- yep….
[04:56] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: it looks like it just disconncets and reconnects?
[04:56] <Psil0Cybin> on its own? like im confused
[04:56] <Psil0Cybin> it keeps repeating the fact that its activating and connecting
[04:56] <Psil0Cybin> and finds my ip
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: what chipset you haveN
[04:57] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, its an Intel i5m, sandy bridge.
[04:57] <kingnick42> Wirless card is an Intel Centrino N-1000
[04:57] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: This is what you need to follow up, too, as well as that bug: "00:43:01 TheHive NetworkManager[984]: <info> radio killswitch /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/0000:02:00.0/ieee80211/phy0/rfkill2 disappeared"
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: anything unusual in /var/log/syslog.1 about wlan?
[04:58] <TJ-> pleanbean: reinstall the tools from earlier: "sudo apt-get install gdisk"
[04:59] <Psil0Cybin> TJ i cant find anything on <info> radio killswitch /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/0000:02:00.0/ieee80211/phy0/rfkill2 disappeared"
[05:00] <Psil0Cybin> Well the bug that was talked about above, does not affect me
[05:00] <Psil0Cybin> even tho it showed up in the logs
[05:00] <pleanbean> TJ-: got gdisk
[05:01] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK let's becom root to dispense with 'sudo' for every command. "sudo -i"
[05:01] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, can I upload it to dropbox then give you the link?
[05:01] <TJ-> pleanbean: Then, "mkdir /target"
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> !paste | kingnick42
[05:01] <TJ-> pleanbean: oh, I forgot "apt-get install pastebinit"
[05:02] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, ubottu, too long for a pastebin :) - I'll dropbox it :)
[05:02] <pleanbean> TJ-: Yep.
[05:03] <TJ-> pleanbean: then "ls /dev/mapper/ | pastebinit"
[05:03] <A1Recon> The system won't start now! Its stuck in the "Ubuntu loading screen"...it now in one of those black terminal screens and it says The PostgreSQL server failed to start.Please check the log output.
[05:03] <A1Recon> I was running a Ubuntu 13.04 / Win 7 dual boot.
[05:03] <pleanbean> paste.ubuntu.com/6182506
[05:04] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje,  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40295295/syslog.1
[05:05] <TJ-> pleanbean: "mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /target"
[05:06] <TJ-> pleanbean: then "pastebinit /target/etc/fstab"
[05:06] <pleanbean> 6182511
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: do you have wireless N enabled in router?
[05:08] <TJ-> pleanbean: "mount /dev/sda2 /target/boot" then "mount /dev/sda1 /target/boot/efi"
[05:08] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, pretty sure
[05:08] <kingnick42> Haven't had wireless issues with the other distros I've had
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: you might wanna try to disable just for test on this wifi card
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: not sure if this is your case
[05:09] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, so disable wireless N? Wouldn't that reduce my speed?
[05:09] <TJ-> pleanbean: Then "mount -t proc proc /target/proc"  then "mount -t sysfs sysfs /target/sys" then "mount -t devtmpfs udev /target/dev"
[05:09] <TJ-> pleanbean: To check everything: "mount | pastebinit"
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: its just to test out behaviour of your intel wifi card
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: re-enable if it doesnt stable your wifi connection
[05:11] <pleanbean> 6182535
[05:11] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, ok I'm disabling it now
[05:13] <TJ-> pleanbean: You made a typo ("udex" instead of "udev"), we best correct it in case it affects things. "umount /target/dev" then "mount -t devtmpfs udev /target/dev"
[05:14] <pleanbean> 6182542
[05:15] <bateee> Hello, could someone please guide me to find a guideline for recommended settings for ubuntu server security audit configuration. I need to find out a standard set of rules that can be configured with auditing facility of ubuntu
[05:15] <TJ-> pleanbean: Good. Now lets change-root nto those mounts so we're in the actual installed environment and can change it. "chroot /target"
[05:15] <Braden`> Hello
[05:15] <wilee-nilee> bateee, You might ask in #ubuntu-server
[05:16] <Braden`> Which package is good to analyze traffic from apache logs?
[05:16] <pleanbean> TJ-: k
[05:16] <TJ-> pleanbean: Let's ensure it has network connectivity in case we need to install packages, or pastebinit. "ping -nc 5 ubuntu.com"
[05:16] <pleanbean> unknown host ubuntu.com
[05:16] <bateee> wilee-nilee, thanks.
[05:17] <TJ-> pleanbean: Ahhh!
[05:17] <wilee-nilee> no problem bateee
[05:17] <jmgk> hey wilee-nilee
[05:17] <jmgk> :)
[05:17] <wilee-nilee> hey
[05:17] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK. Type "exit" to return to the liveISO environment
[05:17] <A1Recon> How do I delete a folder which has a small lock icon on it? It says in Properties>Permissions "Owner: root. Access: Create and delete files". It also says "You are not the owner, so you cannot change these permissions."
[05:17] <Braden`> Anyone?
[05:17] <pleanbean> Ok exited
[05:17] <wilee-nilee> A1Recon, gksudo nautilus if that t=is the file manager]
[05:18] <TJ-> pleanbean: Then lets check for a resolver. does this command show any output? "cat /target/etc/resolv.conf"
[05:18] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, N mode is disabled
[05:18] <pleanbean> No output
[05:21] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK... "mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /target/etc/resolv.conf" then back into the target "chroot /target" and check again "ping -nc 5 ubuntu.com"
[05:21] <A1Recon> Wilee-nilee Thanks!
[05:22] <zykotick9> TJ-: why not copy the file to the chroot?
[05:22] <pleanbean> Success!
[05:23] <TJ-> zykotick9: because the host can change it dynamically, which might result in it becoming stale
[05:23] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, "apt-get install gdisk pastebinit"
[05:23] <hzyg_> ls
[05:24] <zykotick9> TJ-: i suppose, i actually can't believe that "mount --bind ..." worked like that - rather cool actually.
[05:24] <r10101> hello guys I want to report a bug
[05:24] <zykotick9> !bug | r10101
[05:25] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, what am I looking for now?
[05:25] <r10101> Im a newby in linux I type the command on terminal right?
[05:25] <pleanbean> TJ- Ok..
[05:26] <zykotick9> r10101: sidenote = either replace linux with ubuntu, OR use gnu/linux ;)
[05:26] <TJ-> pleanbean: Now lets do some work. "update-grub 2>&1 | tee /tmp/ug.log; pastebinit /tmp/ug.log"
[05:28] <pleanbean> 6182568
[05:29] <TJ-> pleanbean: And there's the error.
[05:29] <TJ-> pleanbean: "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[05:29] <r10101> ubottu: I read the info but Im not quite sure is an abuntu problem or flash player problem the thing is that many many times youtube videos doesn't charge the audio and they are terrible slow in charging  so this an abuntu or flash player or youtube thing?
[05:30] <r10101> lol a robot answered me
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: see if your wifi is stable now?
[05:30] <pleanbean> 6182571
[05:30] <r10101> any human with this problem too?
[05:31] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/qV56QtWs
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: found also this: http://blog.mattgerkhardt.com/ubuntu-12-04-lts-wireless-issues-thinkpad-t410-intel-centrino-n-6200/
[05:31] <Psil0Cybin> i think i caught it again but this time its different
[05:31] <karab44> hello
[05:32] <r10101> any way I think I have done my work here its a bit annoying have to restart the pc any time this happen with youtube videos
[05:32] <TJ-> pleanbean: "ls -al /boot/grub/* | pastebinit"
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> r10101: are you sure your video driver is installed correctly?
[05:33] <pleanbean> 6182575
[05:34] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: This looks bad: "SCPlugin-Ifupdown: devices removed (path: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/0000:02:00.0/net/wlan0, iface: wlan0)" ... that would be caused by the hardware disappearing or the driver failing in some way
[05:34] <Psil0Cybin> what would be my first step in order to fix this?
[05:34] <Psil0Cybin> go back to an older kernal till a fix
[05:34] <Psil0Cybin> or ?
[05:35] <Psil0Cybin> this never used to happen >.<
[05:35] <r10101> lotuspsychje
[05:35] <r10101> lotuspsychje: I guess so
[05:35] <r10101> lotuspsychje: should I download it form the software center
[05:36] <r10101> let me take a look
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> r10101: ubuntu version? graphics card driver?
[05:36] <A1Recon> Can someone tell me how to make photorec look for specific type of files?
[05:36] <Guest8333> i need some help..i installed ubuntu 13.04 last week.but now when i reboot yesterday now it is not loading ubuntu..saying that you are running in low resolution graphics....what to do
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> A1Recon: never did specific file types, mostly scans it all
[05:37] <r10101> latest, dont know card driver
[05:37] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I'm not sure... the sysfs device entries disappearing suggests the driver is losing sight of the hardware and tearing down the associated nodes. I'm wondering if there's something causing an actual electrical glitch that causes the driver to lose comms with the hardware... possibly an IRQ issue, for instance. It's a hard one to diagnose from afar.
[05:37] <r10101> and it appears I have installed the flash player
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> A1Recon: will it take too long time, scanning all drive?
[05:37] <TJ-> pleanbean: Give me a few minutes, I need to read the grub.cfg carefully :)
[05:37] <Psil0Cybin> darn
[05:37] <Psil0Cybin> TJ
[05:37] <Psil0Cybin> so am i best off formatting/
[05:37] <Psil0Cybin> or would this happen again if i update
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> r10101: can you play high res video's in vlc?
[05:38] <r10101> lotuspsychje:  vlc?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> r10101: or another video player
[05:38] <r10101> oh don't know I mustly used to see youtube videos
[05:39] <A1Recon> Lotuspsychje for my 600GB partition it took around 100 mins and found 180 GB of data(Not all of which I need).
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> r10101: doublecheck if you can play video's on your system
[05:39] <r10101> i can see the videos
[05:39] <r10101> lotuspsychje:  but it take a lot to charge and the sounds doesn't work
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> r10101: ubuntu version?
[05:40] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: I'd be looking for the mailing-list of the developers of the ath9k module, and posting a question there. They will be able to provide specific suggestions on what to try.
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> A1Recon: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Add_your_own_extension_to_PhotoRec
[05:42] <r10101> sorry I tried to close firefox to see it work and nope still without sound
[05:42] <r10101> if it work
[05:42] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, it appears to be stable
[05:43] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: sigh how come all the new linux users get such hard complicated problems >.<
[05:43] <Psil0Cybin> bah
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: ive read a few errors on wireless N and your chipset
[05:43] <kingnick42> so I should try running those two terminal commands lotuspsychje?
[05:43] <Psil0Cybin> god damn ath9k
[05:43] <Psil0Cybin> >.,
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: well if its stable, i would rather not
[05:43] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, "grub-mkdevicemap -n" then "pastebinit /boot/grub/device.map"
[05:43] <r10101> i hate to change os just to see a video
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> r10101: did you check other browser if you have same issue on youtube?
[05:44] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, but this means I miss out on N speed?
[05:44] <r10101>  ]:(
[05:44] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: You're not alone from all the postings I found whilst researching it, that AR9285 seems very poorly supported. Blame Atheros!
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: yes
[05:44] <r10101> other browser?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> kingnick42: you might wanna try re-enable and do those terminal commands
[05:45] <r10101> firefox is the official one on ubuntu right does it have other browser intalled?
[05:45] <Psil0Cybin> Bahhh then why did this work before, its like a taunt...lol now it works now it does not, >.< was it an update that caused this? I am soooooo mind blown like no joke two weeks ago i would have never thought this would happen
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> r10101: google chrome example
[05:45] <r10101> so probably is an issue of firefox?
[05:45] <Psil0Cybin> i love linux
[05:45] <Psil0Cybin> but i also love wifi :(
[05:45] <Psil0Cybin> darn
[05:45] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: What was "before" and what did you do to create "after" ?
[05:46] <xmetal> !details
[05:47] <kingnick42> lotuspsychje, I
[05:47] <kingnick42> *I'll try that, thanks
[05:47] <Psil0Cybin> TJ-: All i did after was install samba!! lol which i know could never cause this!! But!! next question i JUST tethered my phone and I WAS ABLE To have internet perfectly fine, same with download files
[05:47] <Psil0Cybin> so its only MY ONE home network
[05:47] <Psil0Cybin> WTF
[05:47] <Psil0Cybin> :S:S
[05:48] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: In which case... mess with your Wireless router, not with your PC!
[05:49] <TJ-> Psil0Cybin: Have you made any changes to that router's config since "before"? If so, investigate them. Have you tried powering off the router, giving it a minute, and bringing it back?
[05:49] <pleanbean> 6182601
[05:49] <Psil0Cybin> no not at all
[05:49] <Psil0Cybin> i am so confused
[05:49] <Psil0Cybin> and no one else has
[05:50] <Psil0Cybin> how can i remove all samba configs?\
[05:50] <Psil0Cybin> sudo apt-get purge?
[05:50] <xmetal> try router rooter ?
[05:50] <TJ-> pleanbean: Is the Gigaware USB device the key you're booting the liveISO from?
[05:50] <r10101> well google chrome doesn't appear on the repostories or that thing
[05:50]  * xmetal hates himself for that joke
[05:50] <pleanbean> Yep, it is
[05:51] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK, lets retry that command again now.
[05:51] <pleanbean> 6182624
[05:51] <TJ-> pleanbean:  "update-grub 2>&1 | tee /tmp/ug.log; pastebinit /tmp/ug.log"
[05:51] <r10101> I'm removing the flash plug in and later to reinstall probably that will work
[05:52] <pleanbean> 6182626
[05:52] <Territoriojoven> i need help.
[05:52] <Territoriojoven> i can't get into the sudoers group
[05:52] <r10101> territorio joven a poco hay viejos
[05:52] <Territoriojoven> i already edited it with visudo but it is not working
[05:53] <r10101> jk!
[05:57] <TJ-> pleanbean: Hmmm, not sure why its failing on that. Let's go the other way. "grub-install /dev/sda"
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Territoriojoven:  tell the channel exactly what you did.
[05:58] <pleanbean> TJ-: Done
[05:58] <TJ-> pleanbean: and now try again: "update-grub 2>&1 | tee /tmp/ug.log; pastebinit /tmp/ug.log"
[05:58] <pleanbean> TJ-: 6182645
[05:59] <TJ-> pleanbean: Now this is getting annoying!
[05:59] <pleanbean> TJ-: Why does GRUB need to be on sdb?
[05:59] <TJ-> pleanbean: "gdisk -l /dev/sdb | pastebinit"
[06:00] <TJ-> pleanbean: It doesn't need to be on it, it's got confused I think
[06:00] <pleanbean> 6182649
[06:01] <TJ-> pleanbean: "gdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[06:01] <pleanbean> 6182652
[06:02] <Territoriojoven> dr_willis: i was trying to change my username so i moved everything from home and tried to pass permissions and that, but i think it didn't worked so now i have this user with no admin powers.
[06:02] <TJ-> pleanbean: "fdisk -l /dev/sdb | pastebinit"
[06:02] <Territoriojoven> i can still access to root
[06:02] <pleanbean> 6182654
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> Territoriojoven:  i would have just made a new user. gave them sudo rights, then copied files over.  no real need to 'change' the username. just change the user.
[06:04] <TJ-> pleanbean: Ouch, that's not looking correct! That's an 8GB USB flash storage device, isn't it?
[06:04] <Territoriojoven> yes
[06:04] <Territoriojoven> that's what i tried
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> Territoriojoven:  i think the user just needs to be in the adm group. what ubuntu release are you using?
[06:05] <Guest8333> how to solve ubuntu showing error msg running in low resolution
[06:05] <Territoriojoven> lubuntu 12.04
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> what does the groups command say for the user in question?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> example here ->   adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[06:06] <Territoriojoven> adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape sudo audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin netdev sambashare
[06:07] <pleanbean> TJ- Yeah it is
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> Territoriojoven:  with the default /etc/sudoers file - any user in adm should have sudo rights.  You did logout/back in after changeing the users group?
[06:07] <Territoriojoven> yes
[06:08] <hadifarnoud> how can I install apt package from cd?
[06:09] <TJ-> pleanbean: I think I have an explanation but it beats me how its happened, its so weird!
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  what cd?
[06:11] <hadifarnoud> sorry i disconnected. did i miss any answer?
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  what cd?
[06:11] <zykotick9> Territoriojoven: you aren't in the sudo group?!
[06:11] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: ubuntu cd
[06:11] <Territoriojoven> i was kicked out
[06:11] <hadifarnoud> package is unity, so it should be there
[06:11] <Territoriojoven> my system is gon' crazy
[06:11] <TJ-> Plasmastar: That USB device has a very weird partition configuration, which according to gdisk is MBR-only (no GPT), but fdisk displays some unexpected details for partition 1, and strange type for partition 2. I *think* that partition 1 starting at sector 0 (which is supposed to be the master boot record and partition table) is causing grub-probe to fail as we see. I suspect that grub-probe also failed silently during the install, which results in an incomplete g
[06:11] <TJ-> rub installation, but for some reason the installer didn't detect the error, and carried on as if nothing was amiss
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  i dont think you just install packages from the desktop cd. its not set to work as a repository.
[06:12] <TJ-> oh darn - autocomplete failure... that was for pleanbean
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  what packages are you trying to instgall anyway?
[06:12] <bazhang> !aptoncd | hadifarnoud
[06:12] <hadifarnoud> back in a day it was. Dr_Willis Unity. I uninstalled it so I can't login
[06:13] <pleanbean> TJ- So is there a fix?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  i recall the alternative cd working that way. but there is no longer an alternative cd i think.
[06:13] <TJ-> pleanbean: So, my thinking is, we need a way to prevent update-grub's call to grub-probe failing. Right now, I'm not sure how.
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  login at the console. and renstall the stuff perhaps.
[06:14] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: problem is no internet mate.
[06:14] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: those packages must be on the CD anyway. do you know where?
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  they dont have to be as far as i know. That would double the size of the cd i imagine.
[06:15] <TJ-> pleanbean: Easiest solution would be to recreate the USB key. I'm even considering whether you could simply remove it since you're in the chroot right now. It could cause the whole thing to freeze or fail, but it might stay sane long enough to do "update-grub" without the USB device interferring
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> look on the cd and see..   ls -R  /media/cdrom | grep deb   perhaps
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  so has that pc ever been on the internet and updateed/upgraded?
[06:15] <Psil0Cybin> okay TJ- stinks lots of ppl having same problem no one has a fix
[06:15] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: once
[06:15] <Psil0Cybin> i guess ill wait
[06:15] <Psil0Cybin> :(
[06:16] <hadifarnoud> I hate unity. it's utter crap
[06:16] <TJ-> pleanbean: If you're game to try that, you'd get the commands ready at the command-line, then pull out the USB, and hit Return to have the commands run... what do you think?
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  its possible the versions of other packages have changed and it may not want the older versions that might be on the cd also.
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  keep focused on the problem. we dont really care about rants against unity
[06:17] <pleanbean> TJ- Give me like 5 minutes
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  that apt-on-cd tool may be the easiest way to get stuff reinstalled.
[06:17] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: since I removed it already, can I get gnome on a usb?
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> unless you can get it networked.
[06:17] <hadifarnoud> or cd
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  unity uses gnome. Ubuntu comes with gnome3
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  ubuntu-gnome uses the gnome3+gnomeshell by default
[06:18] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK... I need a mug of tea!
[06:18] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: hmm, so perhaps I can fix this without reinstalling unity?
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  you can always install other window managers and desktops - if you had networking - it would be trivial
[06:18] <geektech713> what kind system are you on? how old is it?
[06:18] <geektech713> if you can get networking on ubuntu?
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> but by removeing 'unity' you may have removed a lot of other things as well
[06:19] <hadifarnoud> made sure I just removed unity Dr_Willis
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> but what about eerything that unity depends on? and other support tools.
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> you could startx and habve it just run a xterm ;) if you wanted to
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> but with no window manager..  you wont get much done.
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> if you got another ubuntu pc - that apt-on-cd would be the easiest way to get a desktop going.  you can use a usb flash drive with it i recall
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> or you could use a live cd. and apt-on-cd from it to download the packages to your hard drive
[06:21] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: I get Failed to load session "ubuntu". do you know how can I fix it without getting Unity? I don't know what I need
[06:21] <pleanbean> TJ- I need to smoke a bowl haha
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> !aptoncd
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:   so it has NO networking ability at all?
[06:22] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: it can be networked to other PCs one of which has internet
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> so do that and then you can just apt-get install whatever it is you want
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> is the other pc running ubuntu?
[06:24] <hadifarnoud> yes
[06:25] <hadifarnoud> I can get .deb packages from apt cache. right Dr_Willis?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> you can use  that apt-on cd tool to have it download stuff you then copy other to the other pc and install. or network the 2 and  let the pc download the packages directly
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  thats where apt-on-cd gets them from. yes
[06:25] <hadifarnoud> cool
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> you can set up apt-cacher-ng on the connected pc. and let it serve as an repository cache ifyou wanted to
[06:26] <hadifarnoud> I guess I have to install unity and remove it another way Dr_Willis
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> you dont have to install unity.
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> You can install whatever window manager or desktop you want
[06:26] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: what do I need then?
[06:26] <hadifarnoud> oh
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  WHAT desktop do you want?
[06:26] <hadifarnoud> Gnome
[06:27] <TJ-> pleanbean: I need to get a few hours sleep (07:30 here already!) ... if you are game to give it a go, queue these commands in the terminal, then remove the USB device, give it 10 seconds to 'disappear' and then hit Return and hope! If/after the commands complete, plug the USB back in. "grub-install /dev/sda && update-grub && sync"
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> gnome3 is in the default ubuntu repos and included by default.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> gnome-shell is in the repos also
[06:27] <hadifarnoud> so, I just get gnome3 then
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> !gnome-shell
[06:27] <hadifarnoud> ok
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> !gnome
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> unity runs on top of gnome3 - its a plugin for compiz
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> gnome-shell is a shell for gnome3 - it dosent use unity
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> i mean compiz ;)
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> !info gnome-shell
[06:29] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: I'm confused. Gnome is installed then. why doesn't it boot then? How can I find out what packages I removed along with Unity?
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[06:29] <pleanbean> TJ- OK one secod
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  you removed the window manager.
[06:29] <pleanbean> second*
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  and you have no alternative installed to replace the window manager
[06:29] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: gnome-shell is the window manager. right?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  install the ubuntu-gnome-desktop meta package ti install all of the gnome-desktop
[06:30] <hadifarnoud> ok
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  gnome-shell is a SHELL for gnome-3 it uses some app for the window manager (that is not compiz)
[06:30] <hadifarnoud> got it
[06:31] <hadifarnoud> thanks Dr_Willis
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> i forget wht window manager gnome-shell-desktop uses.. mutter perhaps?  you rarely run that by itself
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> if you are going to play with the differnt desktops - its a good idea to install some very simple fallback window manager like  'jwm'  just in case you break the others
[06:32] <pleanbean> TJ- Done.
[06:32] <hadifarnoud> ok
[06:32] <grahamsavage> hmm i'm trying to use pureftpd.. every put and get request i get permission denied
[06:33] <grahamsavage> the directory is owned by ftpuser:ftpgroup
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  and there wa no need to remove unity at all. you could have just installed a idffernt desktop and selected it at the login screen
[06:33] <grahamsavage> 770.. any idea what i've done wrong? i'm following the guide here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-213266.html
[06:33] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: did not know that
[06:33] <TJ-> pleanbean: Did you see that "grub-probe" error report that time?
[06:33] <pleanbean> TJ- Nope
[06:33] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: I remember it was this way long time ago. didn't know I can still do that
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  you can insgtall all the dektops if you wanted to. and test them all out.
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  its not changed at all
[06:34] <TJ-> pleanbean: Yay! lets hope that might have solved it... reboot and see. Hopefully I can go to bed happy !
[06:34] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: cool
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> login screen has a gear icon to select what desktop.. you DID look there to see if ther ewas some other desktops you could select?
[06:34] <TJ-> pleanbean: "exit" then "reboot"
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> there might be some other options then unity allready on your system
[06:35] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: I don't have a gear. it's an ubuntu icon. when I click, it's just ubuntu on the list
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> hadifarnoud:  you just got the one desktop entry then it seems
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> i have about 15 items on my list. ;)
[06:36] <hadifarnoud> Dr_Willis: haha. that seems like a lot
[06:37] <pleanbean> TJ- I pressed the reboot button on my tower, and now I'm back at the blinking cursor...
[06:38] <TJ-> pleanbean: Oh..... fooey! So there's something else going on, too :(   I'm too tired to continue I'm afraid, you'll have to find someone else if you want to continue. You might point them to the IRC logs of this channel and suggest they grep it for yours and my nicknames to follow what we've discovered and done.
[06:39] <TJ-> pleanbean: When you reboot it, are there *any* other USB devices of any kind connected?
[06:40] <pleanbean> TJ-: Theres no way we could chat again tomorrow? My keyboard and mouse sensor are USB
[06:40] <TJ-> pleanbean: And, is there a CD/DVD drive and if so, is there anything in it? I want to be sure there isn't some stray media that is being tried before the HDD and failing.
[06:40] <Guest8333> how to connect internet in recovery mode
[06:40] <TJ-> pleanbean: keyboard and mouse are fine... I've had people catch me out with this issue, finding out later they've left an external storage device plugged into USB, or to Firewire, etc.
[06:40] <pleanbean> TJ-: Theres nothing in the CD/DVD drive, no
[06:41] <TJ-> pleanbean: I won't be back here for at least 24 hours now.
[06:41] <pleanbean> TJ-: Bummer.
[06:42] <xmetal> wow
[06:42] <xmetal> the last cd in this spindle is bent
[06:43] <TJ-> pleanbean: There's one thing you could try yourself. I said earlier that the partitioning on that USB stick looks *bad* - partition 1 should *never* start at sector 0... You could try re-creating that stick cleanly and ensuring it has a decent partition table, and then reinstall from it again. That *may* help, *if* the grub-probe issue is the cause and not just something else.
[06:43] <pleanbean> TJ-: What if I use a different USB stick?
[06:43] <TJ-> pleanbean: This is the one that looks bad: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6182654/
[06:44] <geektech713> pendrivelinux works
[06:44] <geektech713> just boot from USB thumb drive
[06:44] <TJ-> pleanbean: Yes, anything, as long as it has a valid partition table on it. You can get folks here to double-check that for you by using "fdisk -l $DEVICE" or "gdisk -l $DEVICE" as we did earlier
[06:44] <pleanbean> Ok
[06:45] <geektech713> just a program do it for ya
[06:45] <pleanbean> How do I link people to the chat transcripts?
[06:45] <TJ-> pleanbean: It's a weird one and I'd love to know the cause and the solution ... it ought to have a bug report all to itself
[06:45] <pleanbean> TJ-: Glad I found you though, I've been at this by myself for the past two nights
[06:46] <TJ-> pleanbean: IRC logs  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/10/02/
[06:47] <pleanbean> Wow awesome
[06:47] <pleanbean> Ok
[06:47] <pleanbean> I'm going to make a new bootable USB and try installing that
[06:47] <TJ-> pleanbean: Now we know there might be something upsetting grub, we ought to be looking at the installer log files (in /var/log/installer/ I think) of the liveISO environment when it has finished... we might find some indications there of problems
[06:47] <TJ-> pleanbean: OK ... please leave me a message via memserv on here if that solves it
[06:48] <pleanbean> Ok how do I use memserv?
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  if you have more then one usb flash drive. you can try installing (a normal full install ) to a 2nd flash drive and see if that works/boots properly.
[06:48] <pleanbean> Ok I'll do that
[06:48] <TJ-> pleanbean: "/msg memoserv help"
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> it would be an interesting point - if it worked. or if it failed on that pc.. but booted  correctly on a differnt pc.
[06:49] <TJ-> Dr_Willis: I wondered that but it seems parts of GRUB are missing, but the installer hasn't realised
[06:49] <pleanbean> Then it would be a BIOS problem?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> he could even do the usb to usb install on a 2nd pc.. and try it out on this pc.
[06:49] <TJ-> pleanbean: There's no harm testing that out though, we ought to know for sure. That's one more way of narrowing down the possibilities
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> as a test
[06:50] <TJ-> Dr_Willis: yes, I agree.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> if the usb install did work. ;) he could image it to his problem pc/hd.    (but thats getting a little weird in ways)
[06:50] <TJ-> Dr_Willis: pleanbean Could even do it with a virtual machine
[06:50] <pleanbean> I'm getting a No root file system is defined
[06:50] <TJ-> pleanbean: Where are you getting that?
[06:51] <pleanbean> The Installer
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> you tell the installer what partion to use for /   (thats the root filesystem)
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> the pulldown items should list possible mountpoints,   /   /boot /home   and so forth
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> you need at a minimum   a /    and swap
[06:52] <pleanbean> Installing
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> and be sure to tell the installer to put grub on the MBR of the USB flash drive you are installing to.. sometimes it gets confused
[06:53] <pleanbean> Did that
[06:54] <TJ-> pleanbean: Are you still using the Gigaware 8GB USB stick as the install source?
[06:54] <pleanbean> Yeah
[06:55] <TJ-> pleanbean: And you're installing to another USB, or to the HDD again?
[06:55] <pleanbean> Another USB
[06:55] <TJ-> pleanbean: gotchya
[06:56] <Wobbo> After a while, 4/5 month, 13.04 is getting slow, very slow. Starting up en logging in is no problem. But then, stuff like Nautilus, Chrome and the systemsetting CMS i s sloff. I have a Intel i5 Core, 8gig ram, Ubuntu 13.04 64b....
[06:56] <Wobbo>  Any tips?
[06:59] <aeon-ltd> Wobbo: what are you running now that's different?
[07:03]  * Dr_Willis wonders if theres a 12+gb log file on Wobbo 's system ;)
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> had that happen once
[07:03] <Fuzzles> Can someone hlep me i installed steam and downloaded a game but when i run it nothing happens?
[07:03] <aeon-ltd> Fuzzles: run steam in terminal check for errors
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> Fuzzles:  you mean the native linux steam client? or the windows steam client?
[07:04] <Fuzzles> Dr_Willis, native
[07:04] <Lacko> the game might not be compatible
[07:04] <Fuzzles> aeon-ltd, how do i do that
[07:04] <Lacko> better call saul
[07:04] <aeon-ltd> Fuzzles: literally open a terminal type steam and press enter
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> close any running steam client first :)
[07:06] <geektech713> or just click on the icon
[07:06] <Fuzzles> Lacko, its a linux native game
[07:06] <Fuzzles> Lacko, if its native it should work
[07:06] <Fuzzles> i got to go ill be back later
[07:06] <aeon-ltd> Fuzzles: how old is this pc? if it's pretty old it's gpu probably doesn't support the version of opengl needed to run the game
[07:06] <Lacko> Oh, I didn't see that
[07:08] <Calinou> aeon-ltd: lspci | grep VGA
[07:08] <Calinou> tells graphics card :P
[07:08] <Calinou> but Fuzzles left :(
[07:08] <aeon-ltd> fuzzles is gone man
[07:09] <Calinou> I know
[07:12] <hadifarnoud> how can I find a file in terminal? ls -R | grep offline.deb does not give me the path
[07:12] <TJ-> hadifarnoud: "find $SOME_BASE_DIR -iname '*some_part_of_name*'  "
[07:13] <hadifarnoud> cheers TJ-
[07:18] <BReon> hei i need help for my ubuntu new 13.10 will be realease when?
[07:18] <BReon> i mean the new ubuntu
[07:18] <aeon-ltd> this month
[07:18] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for more BReon
[07:18] <aeon-ltd> [20]13.10
[07:19] <BReon> #ubuntu+1
[07:19] <BReon> what?
[07:20] <bazhang> !saucy | BReon
[07:20] <bazhang> BReon, /join #ubuntu+1
[07:20] <helmut_> hi
[07:21] <BReon> what? 17 of the october? i'm really wana try now
[07:22] <aeon-ltd> BReon: there are betas, but really to try now would be pointless
[07:23] <aeon-ltd> BReon: unless you're planning not to upgrade, or really can't wait
[07:24] <gulag2013> I got burned to many times with all the betas. Sticking with 12.04.3, uless they do something amazing with Dash.
[07:25] <wilee-nilee> gulag2013, Heh, never had a problem myself with any release really since dapper
[07:26] <aeon-ltd> wilee-nilee: are you on the same install since dapper?
[07:27] <piquadrat_> Hi. I have a problem with my external screen on a Dell XPS 12 Developer Edition, with Ubuntu 13.04. It worked without a hitch for months, until this morning when I plugged it in. Nothing happens. Any ideas?
[07:27] <gulag2013> It could just be my cheap Acer aspire. Its picky, back to 12.04.
[07:27] <Wobbo> aeon-ltd, I am running nothing. When I start the PC, Ubuntu is running, login, I click on Nautilus, end then i have to what.... 2, 3 of 4 min.. Then Nautilus is visible, but it gray for about 2, 3 min.
[07:28] <A1Recon> I am running Ubuntu13.04/Win7 dual boot. I want to remove Win7 and Ubuntu 13.04 and do a fresh install of Ubuntu(and remove Win7 forever). Also I want to add the space that Win 7 is using into the Ubuntu partition.
[07:28] <aeon-ltd> Wobbo: wow that was a late reply
[07:29] <aeon-ltd> Wobbo: watch a activity monitor when you click nautilus, see if the cpu is maxing out. unless the hdd is making a lot noise then it may be writing to a swap file, you can reduce hdd writes by reducing a swappiness value
[07:30] <wilee-nilee> aeon-ltd, No all fresh installs
[07:30] <gulag2013> Yep, I would really think twice before removing the Windows Partition, you just don't know what proprietary software you will need to run in the future.  Hmm, well you could Virtual box a vm, but I think that is slow.
[07:31] <Paulus68_1> are de drivers for creative labs sb X FI by default installed in ubuntu or do we still need to install the drivers seperatly?
[07:31] <wilee-nilee> aeon-ltd,However I have only bought one new computer in that time, so older computers have been no problem with drivers...etc.
[07:31] <A1Recon> gulag2013: I guess you are right! VM would be slow I guess
[07:33] <gulag2013> A1Recon, I have been there trust me I can't stand have Windows on my system, but then I get stuck having to reinstall it for something .
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> Paulus68_1:  the x-fi cards had issues in thepast. i dont know how well they are supported now a days. test with a live cd first would be a goood idea
[07:35] <pleanbean> Dr_Willis USB didn't work
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> pleanbean:  test that usb in a 2nd pc? see if it works there
[07:35] <wilee-nilee> A1Recon, As long as 13.04 is not a wubi you don't have to fresh install just expand it into the unallocated space.
[07:35] <pleanbean> I don't have a second USB unfortunately
[07:37] <gulag2013> Wilee, have any links on the expanding topic. I have yet to try that. ?
[07:37] <A1Recon> wilee-nilee: My Ubuntu 13.04 is damaged.(Thanks to my ULTRA-dumb cousin.)
[07:37] <A1Recon> :(
[07:37] <wilee-nilee> gulag2013, My acer aspire a205 has run everything since 10.04 with no problems.
[07:37] <wilee-nilee> running raring right now
[07:38] <wilee-nilee> A1Recon, You might clone the next install for such occasions.
[07:39] <gulag2013> Wilee what's it got for a cpu? Not familiar with your acer. I love the size of my netbook. They don't make them this size anymore.
[07:39] <Paulus68_1> Dr_Willis ok will do
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> on an EEEpc right now. ;)
[07:39] <A1Recon> wilee-nilee: Hey how hard will it be for me to Upgrade from 13.04 to the next version when it releases?
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> A1Recon:  do-release-upgrade    and it will do it
[07:40] <gulag2013> I miss my Asus EEpc with the Atom, fond memories Dr_Willis
[07:40] <wilee-nilee> gulag2013, Atom N270, doh i's a d250 an early one.
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> gulag2013:  i dont miss this taking hr+ to reencode a video that takes my desktop pc 4 min.   ;)
[07:41] <wilee-nilee> A1Recon, I never upgrade, but many do with no problems I hear.
[07:41] <A1Recon> wilee-nilee: One more question.... If you had to choose between a Nexus 2013 Tablet and a Netbook. And you work with Arduino, Raspberry Pi and Electronics what would you choose...
[07:42] <A1Recon> a Netbook running Ubuntu
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> A1Recon:  a pc is more flexiable
[07:42] <gulag2013> Ha ha, no they suck for trans-coding
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> A1Recon:  i alleady own all 3. :) a pi, netbook, and tablet
[07:43] <wilee-nilee> A1Recon, I have run ubuntu on that acer aspire d50 with no problems, maxed the ram to 2 gigs though, I'm not familiar with those you mention is all.
[07:43] <wilee-nilee> the aspire is just a backup now thoug
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> d250*
[07:44] <Psil0Cybin> hey TJ- i do not understand is there no fix for this
[07:44] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys
[07:44] <Psil0Cybin> im having a problem with my wifi on 12.04 ubuntu, keeps dropping connection
[07:44] <Psil0Cybin> using ath9k
[07:44] <gulag2013> I thought of adding more ram. 2 gigs and Firefox is still very slow to open.
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> gulag2013:  ssd drive ;)
[07:45] <gulag2013> Yes I do.
[07:45] <wilee-nilee> I would put my ssd in the acer if my dualcore toshiba went south, yeah ssd is nice
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> remove one boottle neck get hit by the next bottleneck
[07:46] <gulag2013> Samsug 830, I wonder if the ram would have been the better choice, not to say I'm unhappy the ssd can go in something else.
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> ff runs ok here -  but the drive in this eeepc is way slow
[07:48] <gulag2013> what is a good drive speed on magnetic is it 7200 +
[07:49] <wilee-nilee> my toshiba is listed as 2 gigs ram max and 32 bit but is actually 3 gigs and 64 bit, all stock but for the extra ram an ssd
[07:49] <eHAPPY> gulag2013 for 2.5"? around 80MB/s
[07:52] <gulag2013> Read speeds? 80? Wow I never tested one.
[07:52] <lucido> hello, what's the current way to execute a command as root when a particular user logs in to his desktop session?
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> lucido:  a script in their ~/.config/autostart/  directory is one way
[07:53] <lucido> Dr_Willis, I need it to be executed as root
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> so use sudo/gksudo in the script
[07:53] <lucido> Dr_Willis, but then it will ask for the password?
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> what do you need ran exactly?
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> lucido:  not if you configure  /etc/sudoers correctly
[07:54] <lucido> Dr_Willis, sudo nvclock -n 630 -m 610 -f
[07:54] <lucido> Dr_Willis, of course, thanks
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> and that command does what lucido ?
[07:55] <lucido> Dr_Willis, overclocks the video card
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> you dont want lightdm doing it  befor they login?
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> you could also set the suid bit on the command. but thats not as secure
[07:55] <lucido> Dr_Willis, point is I only want it done if a particular user logs in to the graphical env
[07:56] <lucido> Dr_Willis, no suid I dont like that
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> sudo & sudoers then.
[07:56] <lucido> thx
[07:56] <Wobbo> aeon-ltd, I'm back. :-P  Nothing is running above 10% CPU and only for about 10sec., "compiz", "gnome-system-monitor".
[07:56] <gribouille> hi
[07:56] <gribouille> how can I disable binfmt_misc?
[07:58] <Wobbo> aeon-ltd, can Ubuntu-One case the problem?
[08:00] <NeoKarna> gribouille,  why do you want to disable it ?
[08:01] <gribouille> NeoKarna, because I don't need it
[08:01] <Wobbo> aeon-ltd, My Internet-speed can't be the problem, last check: 2ms down 167,5Mbit/sec and 162,3 up...
[08:04] <NeoKarna> gribouille,  you don't use Wine ?
[08:04] <gribouille> NeoKarna, no
[08:06] <Wobbo> Any tips? 'AMD Catalyst Control Center (Administrative)' won't work. I am using 'amdxdg-su -c amdcccle' true terminal, then i get a new terminal minal asking for my password. Then it doesn't matter if I put a richt password or not, that terminal wont show any AMD Catalyst...
[08:06] <Wobbo>  I have used the logical way, 'sudo amdcccle' but that won't save any installations or anything.
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> you nuse gksudo for gui apps needing to run as root - in most cases
[08:10] <grahamsavage> how can i check if a particular user has access to a file?
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> i thought amdccle would save the settings/chanes to the users home if ran as a user. this allowes each user to have their own settings
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> grahamsavage:  you mean in a bash script?
[08:11] <grahamsavage> Dr_Willis: yeah
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> you may want to ask in #bash  i imagine theres a proper way to do it
[08:12] <aum> help - how to get ubuntu 12.04 working with broadcom bcm4401-b0 LAN driver?
[08:12] <grahamsavage> i'm trying to solve pure-ftpd problems, i can't write or read files
[08:12] <grahamsavage> and i've got no idea why
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> !broadcom
[08:13] <NeoKarna> gribouille,  you can disable a kernel module until next boot
[08:13] <aum> Dr_Willis, I don't want wifi, just wired LAN
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> aum:  i cant recall seeing any wired network cards that dident just work outof the box. at least not in the l;ast few years
[08:14] <aum> Dr_Willis, google is full of cases of 12.04 not working with broadcom BCM4401-B1
[08:15] <NeoKarna> gribouille,  here's how you can do that http://askubuntu.com/questions/317230/how-can-i-temporarily-disable-a-kernel-module
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> aum:  checked askubuntu.com for any known work arounds?
[08:15] <aum> there is a b44 driver, but modprobe hangs when trying to install it
[08:16] <wilee-nilee> aum, http://askubuntu.com/questions/324898/no-wired-or-wireless-networking-available-on-ubuntu-12-04-wired-work-from-liveu
[08:16] <arshavin> i ve installed ffmpeg and mplayer from source,but into in /usr/bin directory,but when i want to install something from apt-get that depends on these two,apt-get wants to doenload and install them from repo why??
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> arshavin:  because apt dosent know the files are there. it justknows whats the apt system installs
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> you should have made .deb packabes from the source and installed those
[08:17] <NeoKarna> gribouille,  if you want to disable for as long as you like, check this http://askubuntu.com/questions/110341/how-to-blacklist-kernel-modules
[08:18] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: how do i get around it ,dont want to install them again
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> or installed to /opt/
[08:18] <wilee-nilee> aum I see numerous working uses of that broadcom on askubuntu
[08:18] <NeoKarna> gribouille,  driver=module(which is binfmt_misc in your case)
[08:19] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: can you please tell why /opt is an exception?
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> arshavin:  bevayuse stuff you compile should go in  /opt/ its not an exception.
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> apt packages normally dont install stuff to /opt/ except in a few cases
[08:20] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: like chrome and opera
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> some packages not from the normal repos might install to /opt/
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> theres also /usr/local thats commonly used for compiled packages but that dosent seem as common these days
[08:21] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: i guess i will go for the deb package
[08:22] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: wait, if i have a package install in /usr/local then will it be seen by apt-get
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> arshavin:  if you use the APT system to install .deb packages.. thats the critical part
[08:23] <ArielX_> my hostapd is not working.. connected on my android phone but not browsing
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> compiled stuff  in /usr/local will not be seen by apt..  except to perhaps cause issues. ;)
[08:24] <gribouille> NeoKarna, ok
[08:24] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: thanks for the info,I used to think that since $PATH has these directories,somehow apt-get will figure out that they exist
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> PATH is just where bash looks for commands. (or othershells)
[08:25] <automatik> i need help in removing a corrupt file, any takers?
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> automatik:  give the  channel details
[08:26] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: ok thanks, I am going to make deb packages
[08:26] <automatik> ok under cd /name/location/file it gives und ls -al it gives a line of question marks
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> automatik:  you did a fsck of the filesystem yet?
[08:27] <automatik> no it's only one file which wont delete
[08:28] <automatik> does it need to be done for just one file?
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> the filesystem is currupted from what you described.. you just know of the 1 file.
[08:28] <automatik> was deleting some old files. the drive is pretty new
[08:28] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: have you any idea how i can get my DVD drive to work,it randomly reads cds but with a log of i/o errors,cant do anything with it,but my drive never reads dvds
[08:29] <Paulus68_1> is there an easy way to move the /home to a seperate drive after installing ubuntu?
[08:29] <ArielX_> my hostapd is not working.. connected on my android phone but not browsing... can anyone help.. thanks
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> arshavin:  i seem to recall that optiocal drives use 2 differnt lasers. one to read cd and one to read dvd's - sounds like one of the lasers has gone out.
[08:30] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: oh thats very bad news i use sony vaio laptop,replacing it will be hard
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> arshavin:  you may want to ask in #hardware - but i think thats how they work.  I maybe thinking of burners having 2 lasers. one for reading, one for writeing. Been ages since ive messed with the drives
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> external usb optical drive = $35-$60 range. ;)
[08:31] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: actually on windows sometimes it reads selected dvds,I hardly ever use them or use them after a long time
[08:31] <gulag2013> New to me about the two lasers. So it's not a codecs issue? It won't open dvd data discs?
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> a dvd 'data' disk woldentbe using codecs
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> you CAN read dvd data disks? and only have issues with movies?
[08:32] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: I have all the codecs installed
[08:32] <ArielX_> my hostapd is not working.. connected on my android phone but not browsing... can anyone help.. thanks
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> what is it not reading exactly?  COmercial DVD movies? Homemade dvd data disks?
[08:33] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: at the moment nothing at all
[08:33] <r02922070> .
[08:33] <ArielX_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6182995/
[08:34] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 4096
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> arshavin:  if it cant read homemade data disks - that points to some hardware issue to me. expecially if reads disk A. then later refuses to read disk A again.
[08:34] <ArielX_> interfaces settings:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6182998/
[08:35] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: that is an extract from dmesg when i put cds into the tray
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> give the optical drive a good dusting with compressed air recently?
[08:35] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: not really
[08:36] <Paulus68_1> is there an easy way to move the /home to a seperate drive after installing ubuntu?
[08:36] <arshavin> Dr_Willis: I can open the drive as it gets mounted and see the contents but cant copy or read anything
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> Paulus68_1:  copy it over to the new HD/partition. alter /etc/fstab to point to the new location, reboot
[08:36] <DJones> !movehome | Paulus68_1
[08:38] <Braden`> I installed the awstats package, and it works well, but my charts are not showing up.  Does anyone have any idea?
[08:44] <ArielX_> bz@BENZINO:~$ /etc/init.d/hostapd restart