[00:52] <adam_g> Daviey, 2012.2.4 + 2013.1.1 updates in their respective ubuntu release upload queue  and cloud-archive stagings, waiting for approval
[06:15] <nicekiwi> can someone help me restart my server?
[06:16] <sarnold> nicekiwi: normally that's just "sudo shutdown -r now" -- is there something more to it? :)
[06:16] <sarnold> nicekiwi: .. are you worried that e.g. sshd might not come back up and you'll have to drive to a datacenter?
[06:17] <nicekiwi> well, the apache server in particular. It keeps saying "Fail" when i restart it
[06:17] <sarnold> ah :)
[06:17] <nicekiwi> the error log does not seem to contain useful information
[06:17] <sarnold> nicekiwi: check /var/log/apache* directories... might be something useful there?
[06:17] <nicekiwi> unfortunatly not
[06:18] <sarnold> nicekiwi: can you pastebin how you're trying to restart it, what output you get, and any log messages that might be generated at the same time?
[06:19] <nicekiwi> the only real error im getting is "[Thu May 16 10:16:11 2013] [error] Server should be SSL-aware but has no certificate configured [Hint: SSLCertificateFile] ((null):0)"
[06:20] <sarnold> aha :) well, it does say 'error' rather than 'warning', might as well assume that's the problem..
[06:20] <sarnold> nicekiwi: do you expect this server to serve SSL/TLS?
[06:20] <nicekiwi> yes
[06:20] <sarnold> nicekiwi: do you have a SSLCertificateFile directive somewhere in the configuration?
[06:21] <nicekiwi> yes
[06:22] <sarnold> nicekiwi: does ls -l on that filename look right?
[06:22] <sarnold> nicekiwi: also check ls -ld on all directories above the file.. perhaps permissions are incorrect on a directory (it can be easy to overlook these..)
[06:23] <nicekiwi> what should the permissions be?
[06:23] <nicekiwi> for /etc/ssl/certs/
[06:24] <sarnold> nicekiwi: for /etc/ssl/certs, root:root 755
[06:24] <nicekiwi> i mean everything appears correct
[06:24] <nicekiwi> drwx-xr-x
[06:24] <sarnold> okay, good
[06:26] <nicekiwi> sarnold, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5669904/
[06:27] <sarnold> heh, you're right, not very useful :)
[06:27] <nicekiwi> yeah :/
[06:32] <sarnold> nicekiwi: the last two comments here look useful: http://forums.freebsd.org/archive/index.php/t-6561.html
[06:35] <nicekiwi> hmm.. in both of those they upgraded apche, I havnt changed anything :/.
[06:36] <sarnold> nicekiwi: it did seem like grasping at straws
[06:37] <nicekiwi> sarnold, fixed it! :D See point #3 http://imranbhullar.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/server-should-be-ssl-aware-but-has-no.html
[06:37] <sarnold> nicekiwi: woah.
[06:37] <sarnold> nicekiwi: I saw that page and figured the dude couldn't possibly be right...
[06:38] <sarnold> nicekiwi: thanks :) now I can go to bed happy.
[06:38] <nicekiwi> lol.. i just opened heaps of sites and that happend to be the first one :P
[06:38] <nicekiwi> sarnold, yes you can. thanks for your help :)
[06:38] <sarnold> I wonder how it came that the error message is -so- vastly wrong compared to the cause..
[06:39] <nicekiwi> yeah :/ not really sure eh
[07:12] <Daviey> rbasak: thanks for kicking off the thread.
[07:12] <rbasak> np
[07:24] <mah454> Hello
[07:25] <mah454> /etc/shadow is sha-512 or sha-256 ?
[07:26] <mah454> find ...
[07:31] <rbasak> mah454: see the crypt(3) manpage, and look up the id in the hash in your shadow file against the table in the manpage. /etc/shadow supports multiple schemes at once.
[07:46] <Daviey> rbasak: regarding bug 1180094, zul yesterday planned to discuss it with slangasek.. If we need to switch for support in LTS, it would be better to do this cycle IMO.
[07:46] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1180094 in samba "Update to 4.0" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180094
[07:46] <rbasak> Daviey: oh, OK. I didn't realise it was remotely near the cards.
[07:47] <Daviey> rbasak: Would "Wishlist, Incomplete" make more sense?
[07:47] <rbasak> Daviey, zul: what's the need to go ahead of Debian here?
[07:47] <Daviey> rbasak: Well, zul raised it yesterday - and broadly, *might* make sense?
[07:48] <Daviey> rbasak: I agree about desktop needing to be involved.  At base, it would be good for smb4 to get more exposure *IF* it needs to be standard for the next cycle.
[07:48] <Daviey> But then, smb3 might still be ok for LTS.. so i don't know.
[07:49] <rbasak> AIUI, samba4 is useful for server people wanting to emulate AD. For this use case, the samba4 packages are available.
[07:49] <rbasak> AIUI, samba3 is fine for everyone else, but perhaps I'm mistaken.
[07:50] <rbasak> Oh. Upstream list 4.x as current stable.
[07:51] <Senor> what is the relation between ubuntu and debian ?
[07:53] <rbasak> Senor: good question! http://askubuntu.com/questions/1336/how-is-ubuntu-different-from-debian has some answers if that helps you.
[07:53] <rbasak> SpamapS: ^^ some nostalgia for you perhaps? :)
[07:54] <Senor> rbasak:I am trying to implement one game server on linux , which distro is the best ?
[07:54] <rbasak> Senor: Ubuntu Server, of course. What a silly question! :)
[07:55]  * rbasak notes that this is the #ubuntu-server channel, so answers here might be a bit biased.
[07:56] <Senor> is ubuntu distro open source ?
[08:09] <rbasak> Senor: essentially yes, with the exception of restricted and multiverse (like non-free in Debian). See: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ch-archive.html#s-ulp for details.
[08:21] <RoyK> Senor: yes
[08:21] <RoyK> Senor: or what rbasak said
[08:59] <Alina-malina> Hello all! Is there any mail caching server. For example the office has a very low  internet connection, but the workers sending e-mails so e-mails go very slow and the most of the time workers have to wait for the process rather then typing e-mails. How it is possible to make work with yahoo, gmal and other e-mail services? So the workers submit their e-mails to that server, and server during 5-6 hours login to their accounts an
[08:59] <Alina-malina> d send
[09:00] <Alina-malina> those messages?
[09:05] <Alina-malina> anyone?
[09:10] <Alina-malina> Do i need a separate caching computer to chache the stuff there and execute with queue?
[09:19] <caribou> Daviey: Hi, just saw your update of the rsyslog SRU being blocked by another inflight SRU (from stokachu)
[09:19] <caribou> Daviey: anything that must be done ?
[09:19] <Alina-malina> do i need a proxy caching serve?R How it works?
[09:21] <Senor> RoyK: I have installed ubuntu 10.4.2 server ,but why no step for password root?
[09:21] <Senor> and no root account
[09:22] <RoyK> Senor: because root normally don't have a password, login as your own user and run sudo -i
[09:23] <Daviey> caribou: Well the other SRU needs verification, that would help unblock it :)
[09:23] <caribou> Daviey: ok, I'll coordinate with Adam
[09:24] <Daviey> caribou: Thanks muchly
[09:24] <Senor> RoyK:That is ok!
[09:24] <Senor> RoyK:Is ubuntu server the best for deploying my gameserver?
[09:25] <RoyK> any linux distro should work
[09:25] <RoyK> up to you
[09:26] <Senor> which kernel version ubuntu server 10.4.2 is using ?
[09:27] <RoyK> Senor: 10.04.4 runs 2.6.32-38-server - you should upgrade to at least 10.04.4 (apt-get dist-upgrade), or perhaps to 12.04
[09:29] <Alina-malina> Hello all! Is there any mail caching server. For example the office has a very low  internet connection, but the workers sending e-mails so e-mails go very slow and the most of the time workers have to wait for the process rather then typing e-mails. How it is possible to make work with yahoo, gmal and other e-mail services? So the workers submit their e-mails to that server, and server during 5-6 hours login to their accounts an
[09:29] <Alina-malina> d send messages? Or do i need some webcaching proxy server? Are those secure? What is the secure webcaching server if any exist that can handle my request?
[09:30] <Daviey> Alina-malina: If the user wants to use gmail, yahoo or other WEB UI - it is not a good idea to interfere.
[09:31] <Daviey> Alina-malina: if they are using a local mail client, such as thunderbird or outlook - you can help.
[09:31] <Alina-malina> Daviey, maybe i should put a separate computer and route the traffic to it and that machine queue the requests and send during some hours like?
[09:32] <Daviey> caribou: If you can get Adam's verified today - we can get yours in to proposed today
[09:32] <Daviey> Alina-malina: right, that is something you can do.  But only smart for IMAP or Pop3 and smtp
[09:33] <caribou> Daviey: won't both fixes interfere ? I suppose that my SRU don't have Adam's patch
[09:34] <Alina-malina> Daviey, how i can do that? Is there any manuals? i never did anything like that before, i just have imagination:)
[09:37] <Senor> RoyK:  Does debian branch  from ubuntu ?
[09:48] <RoyK> Senor: no, it started with debian
[09:56] <Senor> RoyK: where can I get the distro's source code ? include login relevent programes .
[09:59] <Daviey> caribou: Your update does include Adam
[09:59] <Daviey> 's, no?
[09:59] <caribou> Daviey: lemme check
[10:00] <Daviey> caribou: The idea is that Adam's can be released to updates, and yours can then enter proposed.  Currently proposed is blocked with Adam's
[10:00] <Daviey> Alina-malina: I'm sorry, I am unable to spend the time helping atm
[10:00] <caribou> Daviey: yeah, but if mine doesn't have Adam's patch, there's no point into getting it into proposed. I should rework mine
[10:00]  * caribou goes to check his
[10:01] <rbasak> Senor: I suggest you ask in #ubuntu for questions that aren't server-specific. I think there are more people there who will be able to help you.
[10:02] <Daviey> caribou: http://pb.daviey.com/zCDO/
[10:02] <Alina-malina> Daviey, what is atm?
[10:02] <Daviey> Alina-malina: At The Moment
[10:03] <Senor> rbasak:oh,yes
[10:03] <caribou> Daviey: yep, the Raring one does. I don't know if Adam's patch applies to Precise but I think it does
[10:04] <Daviey> caribou: Ah, i only looked at the Raring candidate so far
[10:05] <caribou> Daviey: ah, ok.
[10:07] <RoyK> Senor: apt/get source packagename
[10:07] <Senor> RoyK:qpt-get source ubuntu?
[10:13] <RoyK> Senor: no, linux distros consist of thousands of packages, each for a program or set of programs. those you can apt-get source
[10:18] <Senor> how canI config my source get  mirror   ?
[10:31] <Daviey> Senor: There is a bit of an expectation that you do some searching yourself for answers, and using this channel to help fill in the gaps.
[13:11] <yolanda> Daviey, is ok that i start packaging testlib to reuse that on our dep-8-tests?
[13:31] <Daviey> yolanda: super idea
[14:36] <Daviey> adam_g: I accepted your openstack uploads, but at least one will be superseeded today - so you'll need to rebase
[14:37] <adam_g> Daviey, i only saw the quantal-proposed get accepted. did the raring-proposed go in as well?
[14:38] <Daviey> adam_g: will be shortly
[15:59] <BlueShark> Hi,
[15:59] <BlueShark> I'm trying to set up OpenVPN on my Debian VPS. I followed the instructions on http://aahank.com/2013/debian-ubuntu-vpn-server/ . But when I try to do "/etc/init.d/openvpn start", it's giving the error "Starting virtual private network daemon: filmygirl failed!". What could be wrong?
[15:59] <BlueShark> This is what I found when I did "grep ovpn /var/log/syslog" : http://pastie.org/private/i7ljwz8qidykztwai2nkuq . But I can't figure out what's wrong. Could someone help?
[16:02] <rbasak> BlueShark: 503 Service Unavailable when I look at that pastebin. Try another one - eg. paste.ubuntu.com?
[16:09] <megha> do vmware, kvm, qemu works flawlessly with ubuntu ?
[16:10] <megha> because in arch linux i am fed up of config things after each kernel upgrade.. :(
[16:10] <megha> is that the case with ubuntu too ?
[16:11] <yolanda> jdstrand, i verified SRU this morning, and updated the related bugs
[16:13] <rbasak> megha: KVM Just Works for me. I can't speak for VMware.
[16:13] <megha> rbasak: kvm works flawlessly ?
[16:13] <rbasak> megha: for me, yes.
[16:14] <megha> it good than...
[16:14] <jacobw> Nothing works flawlessly
[16:15] <megha> rbasak: what should be my ideal choice ubuntu server or ubuntu-desktop..
[16:15] <megha> jacobw: yeah you are right...
[16:15] <jacobw> It depends what issues you have with Arch that you don't want to have with Ubuntu
[16:15] <megha> but frequent probs is not a good sign...
[16:15] <jacobw> What's your use case?
[16:16] <megha> i am coding for Freebsd, so i need to run it in KVM  and qemu. as i would be testing for different platforms..
[16:17] <megha> jacobw: in arch linux a new kernel version in 15 days, and i have to config and install modules again. that's waste of time, when you have limited time left in your hand..
[16:17] <jacobw> OK, then you'll want to run a VM on your desktop
[16:17] <rbasak> For coding, I'd use desktop with libvirt and virt-manager. Though virt-manager doesn't anything close to the snapshot UI that VirtualBox has.
[16:18] <jacobw> Arch is rolling release whereas Ubuntu isn't, the breakages with Arch are a consequence of the rolling release scheme
[16:19] <jacobw> Lot's of developers use Vagrant
[16:19] <jacobw> * Lots
[16:20] <jacobw> https://github.com/xironix/freebsd-vagrant/blob/master/README.md
[16:24] <megha> jacobw: that link is really cool..
[16:24] <megha> should i switch to virtualbox from vmware.... as i never have used virtualbox before..
[16:29] <jcastro> ubuntu will still rebuild the kernel modules on upgrade
[16:29] <jcastro> it's automatic though
[16:29] <jcastro> it's about an extra minute when the package is upgraded on my machine
[16:33] <megha> jcastro: :)
[16:33] <jacobw> megha: Vagrant is pretty awesome
[16:34] <megha> yeah..
[16:35] <jdstrand> adam_g: arg, bug #1179626
[16:35] <jdstrand> adam_g: I'm trying to get keystone and nova out
[16:35] <adam_g> jdstrand, go for it. ill rebase on you, those were just accepted to proposed today
[16:37] <jdstrand> adam_g: ok, keystone already has it: 1166670
[16:37] <jdstrand> so that will only be nova
[16:38] <jdstrand> adam_g: you could get ahead of it and just apply https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/a4fc0c800502338e4530cad910efb64a5483e1ea
[16:40] <adam_g> jdstrand, you're planning on releasing them as security updates based on whats in -updates currently, right?
[16:41] <jdstrand> adam_g: for raring, it is based on 1:2013.1-0ubuntu2
[16:42] <jdstrand> adam_g: for precise, I based keystone and nova on -proposed and am waiting on the packages to migrate since they are now verification-done
[16:43] <jdstrand> adam_g: so I'm suggesting you just apply https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/a4fc0c800502338e4530cad910efb64a5483e1ea to 1:2013.1.1-0ubuntu1 and reupload
[16:44] <adam_g> jdstrand, right, we will. but that patch is going to go out as a security update in the meantime based on 1:2013.1-0ubuntu2?
[16:45] <jdstrand> adam_g: that was my plan, yes
[16:46] <jdstrand> adam_g: so I do my thing, you cherrypick that patch for -proposed and we're both good
[16:46] <adam_g> jdstrand, okay. ill rebase on your update when its out, to preserve changelog history and patch references
[16:46] <jdstrand> that'll work too
[16:46] <adam_g> jdstrand, thanks for keeping us posted (yesterday, too)
[16:50] <jdstrand> adam_g: np
[17:19] <jdstrand> adam_g: well, some goes for quantal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1179707/comments/7
[17:20] <jdstrand> adam_g: (but it is both nova and keystone that need updates)
[17:22] <adam_g> jdstrand, k thanks
[17:24] <jdstrand> adam_g: yesterday I thought it was implied that me trying to get an update out for precise meant that quantal and raring were needed to. I'll try to be more explicit next time
[17:24] <jdstrand> (sorry)
[17:39] <Daviey> jdstrand: Don't worry, i already briefed adam_g with the expectation we'd need to rebase these recent ones
[17:39] <jdstrand> :)
[17:40] <Daviey> At least i thought i did..
[17:51] <mdeslaur> So, what's the status of md in precise...is it working ok now? I have two mirrored sata disks running 10.04, and was holding off upgrading...
[18:45] <K4k> Is there a way, perhaps through editing isolinux/gfxboot.cfg to remove the language prompt and install/try screen from the install CD?
[18:45] <sarnold> K4k: investigate preseed files
[18:54] <K4k> sarnold: That's what I'm working on now, I've created a preseed that automates _everything_ but the language select prompt before I select the preseed boot option for install
[18:55] <K4k> none of the locale or language d-i settings seem to affect it, only thing I've found so far is something mentioning hacking up gfxboot.inc but I'm not building this on an ubuntu or debian system so I don't have access to that tool.
[19:06] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know how can I make a full backup of my server with rsnapshot? (I mean databases, files, emails, ...)
[19:08] <RoyK> mojtaba: I don't use rsnapshot, never had, but if it does an rdiff/rsync backup, it should work. but what database(s)?
[19:09] <mojtaba> RoyK: mysqls
[19:10] <mojtaba> RoyK: The problem with rsync is that I must use sudo
[19:10] <RoyK> mysql should be dumped regularly - backing up mysql data files may lead to inconcistency
[19:10] <RoyK> so if you dump the mysql dbs and backup the dumps, it shouldn't be much of an issue
[19:11] <RoyK> postgresql is better in most ways (tm)
[19:11] <mojtaba> RoyK: Actually I am pretty new to linux and this is my first time I am going to backup in this way.
[19:11] <mojtaba> Can you help me to figure it up.
[19:12] <RoyK> mojtaba: see mysqldump - dump the mysql databases somewhere and backup the dump files
[19:12] <RoyK> as in
[19:13] <RoyK> mysqldump --all-databases -uUSER -pPASSWORD > /var/backup/mysql-`date -I`.sql
[19:13] <RoyK> or something
[19:13] <RoyK> add that to cron
[19:16] <mojtaba> what does dump do exactly?
[19:16] <mojtaba> RoyK:
[19:17] <RoyK> mojtaba: it dumps the whole database(s) to SQL code so that it can be recreated easily - try it on a test db
[19:17] <K4k> meh, setting the isolinux.cfg timeout to 1 works well enough. I still get the prompt but it skips it faster than someone can react in order to change it.
[19:17] <mojtaba> RoyK: ok, thanks.
[19:17] <Black_Knight> roger
[19:18] <resno> RoyK: do you have to stop mysql or can you dump  and keep moving?
[19:19] <RoyK> no, it needs to be running
[19:19] <resno> lol
[19:20] <resno> wow, i asked that question
[19:20] <resno> thats not how i meant it
[19:20] <resno> ill justleave it there though
[19:21] <RoyK> you can't dump a mysql db without the DBMS running :P
[19:21] <resno> maybe i can the db binaries?
[19:21] <RoyK> no reason
[19:21] <RoyK> just dump the db while it's running
[19:21] <resno> no, im just being silly
[20:11] <bcessa> hi, just a doubt, can you recommend an available open source alternative to the landscape service? thnx
[21:29] <hallyn> stgraber: heh, you know, I *do* have an error_string in the lxc_container struct since day 1.  just never got around to using it yet :)
[21:31] <stgraber> hallyn: ;)
[21:32] <hallyn> anyway got shutdown and stop converted, will do destroy and create and send off
[21:34] <Rick28> Hey. I want to mount one folder from server A at server B. There should be read/write access just like a usual folder. What is the best protocol / FS for this? Are there better options than WebDAV?
[21:35] <sarnold> Rick28: investigate nfs and cifs
[21:35] <Rick28> Thanks sarnold.
[21:39] <Rick28> sarnold, What would you prefer? nfs or WebDAV for non sensitive big data transfer.
[21:40] <Rick28> over the net
[21:42] <sarnold> Rick28: I'd prefer NFS, it does a better job of providing posix-style filesystem gaurantees
[21:42] <Rick28> thanks
[21:42] <sarnold> Rick28: cifs if I had to work with windows-like systems too
[22:28] <dewdrop> Hi I am root, can I login to a user who doesn't have shell access?
[22:30] <dewdrop> sudo su username says shell access is not enabled for the user. There must  be a way root can login into a suer right
[22:30] <sarnold> dewdrop: if 'sudo -u name -s' doesn't work, 'sudo -u name bash' should work..
[22:31] <ScottK> sudo -i then su name should work too.
[22:31] <dewdrop> sarnold: thanks, 'sudo -u name -s' works
[22:56]  * fortmac is away: I'm busy
[22:58] <nsahoo> hi. /boot ran out of space. I tried to remove the old kernels using dpkg directly. However, now I am getting some dependency error and can't fix it.
[22:59] <nsahoo> it's asking me to run apt-get -f install, which fails saying, "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-server"
[23:00] <sarnold> nsahoo: when /boot is full, I think removing one or two kernels by hand _before_ removing them by dpkg is the best approach..
[23:01] <nsahoo> sarnold: after removing using dpkg, i freed some space. Now it's failing because of some dependency issues. Let me post a paste bin link
[23:02] <nsahoo> here is the paste bin link
[23:02] <nsahoo> http://pastebin.com/LRQ2QNwt
[23:03] <nsahoo> some more information : http://pastebin.com/Nn2ELaMP
[23:06] <jdstrand> adam_g: fyi, nova and keystone published for precise-raring
[23:06]  * jdstrand -> out
[23:48] <GrueMaster> nsahoo: Have you tried running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" ?  It might help to fix this.


[18:25] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:34] <ajmitch> morning
[20:17] <thumper> morning
[20:29] <kcj> Morning.
[20:36] <olly> morning
[20:44] <hads> morning
[20:48] <chilts> morning


[02:55] <Unit193> In the xubuntu seed/meta, why is (wireplumber) needed twice in order to actually pick up?  I had to do https://dpaste.com/7SG34HBNX in order for ./update to actually add it to the recommends (sans the pipewire dep → rec change.)
[22:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Just need someone to sanity-check something for me - I have a package I'm working with who's version in Debian is 0.12.0-2. I'm applying updates to it that are currently only in Ubuntu. Should the new version number be 0.12.0-2ubuntu1, or 0.12.0-0ubuntu1? (I think the first one is correct.)
[22:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also if the wrong version number was already uploaded to the archive, could I change it and have it sponsored and have the correct one replace the old one?)
[23:00] <ginggs> arraybolt3[m]: 0.12.0-2ubuntu1 sounds correct to me
[23:02] <arraybolt3> ginggs: That's what I figured. I think 0.12.0-0ubuntu1 is already in the archive, can I just change the version number in the changelog and then have the package reuploaded?
[23:02] <arraybolt3> (I don't need sponsoring right now, I already have someone to sponsor package uploads for me.)
[23:06] <ginggs> arraybolt3[m]: what is the name of the mystery package?
[23:56] <arraybolt3> ginggs: lxqt-build-tools
[23:56] <arraybolt3> (sorry, I was afk)


[01:06] <bennypr0fane> hi, I am unable to launch Synaptic package manager from the GUI, and the Software Updater just crashed after I click "Install Now" for new updates, I wonder what's up with that...
[16:03] <jarnos> I wonder how video playback in mythbuntu omits xrandr setting. I aimed to watch TV in PAL TV screen that is connected to mythbuntu frontend. I use xrandr options for $TV output:  --fb 1024x576 --output $TV --scale-from 1012x576 --set mode PAL --mode 1024x768. Player fills the wide screen only partly; lower part of the screen is not used. If I play by VLC, it can use the whole screen.
[16:05] <tgm4883> jarnos: did you go through the screen setup in mythfrontend?
[16:07] <jarnos> tgm4883, no. I started the frontend after running xrandr. UI is fine, but aspect ratio sucks in playback.
[16:07] <tgm4883> why are you doing it in xrandr instead of mythfrontend?
[16:11] <jarnos> tgm4883, well, I use a setting that pans part of screen surrounding mouse cursor in laptop LCD. I suppose I can not do such thing with mythfrondend settings.
[16:12] <tgm4883> jarnos: probably true, but you should at least check those screen settings in mythfrontend to see if you can fix your other issue
[16:12] <jarnos> tgm4883, good idea.


[08:16] <smb> morning
[08:46] <sakthi> hi, can anyone point to right resources in order to form a good foundation in kernel programming..
[10:52] <ppisati> to whom shall i ask for the qa-regression-testing?
[10:55] <smb> ppisati, If I am not confusing people, maybe hggdh. And I guess he'll scream if I did confuse people...
[10:56] <ppisati> ok, let me try
[10:56] <ppisati> hggdh: ping
[11:44] <gema> ppisati: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-qa-regression-testing
[11:44] <gema> ppisati: nuclearbob is the right person to ask
[11:46] <ppisati> gema: k, thanks
[11:47] <gema> np
[14:31] <hggdh> ppisati: hello
[14:31] <hggdh> hum, I see all is resolved
[14:38] <herton> ppisati, just confirming, ti-omap4 rebased on oneiric doesn't change the abi?
[14:39] <ppisati> herton: compilation didn't complain about it so...
[14:39] <herton> ppisati, ack
[15:07] <apw> ppisati, that does assume its enabled !
[15:11] <ppisati> ppisati: uh?
[15:31]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:37] <lifeboy> If I have a display driver problem on an ltsp client and the screen keeps on initialising every 5-10 seconds, which process to I stop in the console (screen 0) to inspect what's going on?
[15:37] <lifeboy> It's not ldm, startx or xdmcp
[15:39] <apw> bah
[15:40] <apw> lifeboy, i thought it stopped after 5 or so tried
[15:40] <apw> i assume its lightdm which is respawning X if its that
[15:51] <ogra_> lifeboy, better go to #ltsp to debug that ;)
[15:55] <lifeboy> soory, that was posted in the wrong channel!
[15:55] <lifeboy> I meant to go to #ltsp :-)
[16:32] <herton> is anybody being able to clone from zinc? (I'm getting "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly")
[16:34] <smb> it seems exceptionally crawling
[16:34] <ppisati> yep, really slow today
[16:35] <smb> load of 76
[16:35] <smb> seems to be swapping to death
[16:36] <herton> cloning through ssh:// seems to be going now
[16:45]  * apw bets its those web-crawlers again
[16:45] <smb> apw is right
[16:46] <smb> or has been looking on #is :)
[16:46] <apw> heh not looking on #is
[16:46] <apw> am just talking on #is
[16:47] <smb> apw, I just had been completed to hassle him :)
[16:49] <apw> heh so you had, /me leans on them too
[17:03] <ppisati> GrueMaster: ping
[17:04] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Sup?
[17:08] <GrueMaster> ppisati: You rang?
[17:15] <ppisati> GrueMaster: yes
[17:16] <ppisati> GrueMaster: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-2.6.35-903-omap4_2.6.35-903.27~lp893190_armel.deb
[17:16] <ppisati> GrueMaster: can you tell me if you still see the ptrace FAILures?
[17:16] <ppisati> GrueMaster: wrt https://launchpadlibrarian.net/85419190/test-kernel-security.log
[17:16] <GrueMaster> And you want me to test it?  I'm flattered.  :P
[17:16] <GrueMaster> Will do.  Give me a few minutes.
[17:18] <l3on> Hi all... does some ppa  exist backporting kernel 3.2.0 on 11.10 ?
[17:39] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Ok, all ptrace errors now resolved.
[17:41] <GrueMaster> I'll have to talk with smb and kees about the /dev/mem and seccomp errors.  The script indicates they were available in armel kernels beginning with 2.6.35.
[17:42] <GrueMaster> Maybe they were in the omap kernel?  I don't have access to my beaglexm this week, but can check next week when I get home.
[17:43] <ppisati> GrueMaster: for sure these were not available in maverick/omap*
[17:43] <ppisati> GrueMaster: the exact kernel release after that (.36), had them
[17:43] <ppisati> anyway thanks
[17:43] <GrueMaster> btw:  Tomorrow is a national holiday, andI will also be offline Friday.
[17:44] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Ok, I will update the script then.
[17:49] <ppisati> ok
[18:16] <GrueMaster> Grrr.   When making changes to the test-kernel-security script for armel, kees also turned on a blanket test for SECCOMP (which didn't exist in <2.6.36 armel kernels).
[18:16]  * GrueMaster facepalms
[18:20] <GrueMaster> test_070_config_seccomp fails because not only was it not enabled until 2.6.36 on armel, it didn't exist as an option.  New false failure introduced on all <natty armel platforms (babbage3, dove, omap4).  Wheee.
[18:23] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Was SECCOMP something that was backported to the x86 kernels?  I'm trying to figure out why it doesn't even exist on any of my armel kernels.
[18:27]  * ogasawara bails.  see ya'll next week.
[18:28] <tgardner> GrueMaster, you might be a bit  late for Paolo. its 7:30P in Italy.
[18:28] <ppisati> no, i'm still around
[18:30] <ppisati> GrueMaster: natty/omap4 has it
[18:31] <ppisati> GrueMaster: it has entered linus tree in 2.6.36-rc7
[18:34] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Thanks.  Now need to wrap this new code change.
[18:37] <jsalisbury> herton, bjf, regression from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>: bug 893876
[18:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893876 in linux "wrong display-resolution and no compiz-unity-plugin working since Kernel <IP_ADDRESS>" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893876
[18:39] <herton> jsalisbury, ok, .13 is already released so if having a solution a fix will land in a later update
[18:39] <jsalisbury> herton, thanks
[18:43] <jsalisbury> tgardner, Is there a way to match up commits reported by "git log" with what is in the ~/debian.master/changelog for the same kernel tree?
[18:45] <herton> jsalisbury, it seems 893876 is not a kernel regression. On the working previous kernel, the user has nvidia proprietary driver loaded, but not on new kernel for some reason, thus the vesafb which is always loaded seems to be used
[18:45] <herton> (checking both dmesgs on the report)
[18:45] <jsalisbury> herton, ahh, ok.
[18:47] <tgardner> jsalisbury, typically all commits in a version go into the changelog unless they are administrative (and therefore ignored)
[18:47] <apw> jsalisbury, yes the commit titles are the one liners
[18:47] <jsalisbury> tgardner, apw, great, thanks for the info!
[18:48] <jsalisbury> apw, so I can grep for the one liners in the changelog
[18:49] <tgardner> jsalisbury, if you know the commit SHA!, then you can 'git describe --contains <SHA1>' to get the most recent tag.
[18:50] <apw> jsalisbury, yep
[18:50] <jsalisbury> tgardner, apw, cool, thanks for the help
[18:53] <jsalisbury> herton, for 893876, do you think they need to configure the new kernel to use the nvidia driver, it won't happen automatically?
[18:55] <herton> jsalisbury, no idea, I don't know how nvidia is installed, or how the user installed, I know we have jockey to enable the binary drivers, don't know how that works out in detail.
[18:56] <jsalisbury> herton, ok.  I'll update the bug and report your findings.  Thanks for reviewing.
[18:56] <herton> jsalisbury, ok, it's worth asking the reporter about how he installed, and checking if nvidia driver is built/enabled with the new kernel
[19:00] <jsalisbury> herton, ok, will do.  thanks
[19:25]  * herton back in 30 min-1 hour (errand)
[20:01] <cemc> hi. I'm trying to rebuild the Hardy kernel package. I've applied a one-liner to fix some bug and I'm trying to build it using pbuilder (or through the PPA), but I'm getting the following: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/85751961/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.linux_2.6.24-30.96%2Bcemc1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz . I'm not sure how the ABI stuff works. I've just renamed the directory in debian/abi/ and changed the abiname from 29 to 30. I also read the kernel b
[20:01] <cemc> uilding wiki page but I don't see what I need to do
[20:01] <cemc> does anybody have a minute to give me some pointers?
[21:05] <herton> cemc, for a test build, just bumping the abi should be enough, no need to rename the directory in debian/abi, I guess it's what breaking your build
[21:07] <cemc> herton: you mean in debian/changelog?
[21:07] <herton> cemc, yes
[21:08] <cemc> herton: the kernel in Hardy is 2.6.24-30.96, and I just added a +cemc1 to that, I didn't want to change the version so I know it's the same kernel just with my changes
[21:08] <cemc> curiously enough, the last one -29.95 did work like this
[21:16] <herton> cemc, what would be the right way to do it, starting from a pristine 2.6.24-30.96, is something like "debian/rules startnewrelease", get the abis from the current release (you can use "./debian/scripts/misc/getabis 2.6.24 30.96"), then remove old abi dir in debian/abi, bump the abi, apply your patch(es)
[21:16] <herton> but I don't know if you need to do this for a test build, I would expect just applying the patch on top of .30 should work
[21:20]  * herton -> eod
[22:31]  * tgardner -> EOD
[23:00] <shabble> does anyone have any experience with writing/mangling usb(-serial) drivers? I'm in a weird place where cdc-acm is needed to init the device, but I have to unload and replace it with usbserial (generic) otherwise it locks up the port.
[23:01] <shabble> it's an MSP430 test board: RF2500 - there's plenty of threads about it being pretty horrible, but sadly nothing that seems to actually fix it.


[13:49] <ahasenack> 'morning
[13:51] <Laibsch> Hello, I just noticed that focal has a more recent package for samba than jammy.  The reason for the newer package in focal is among others CVE-2021-43566 to which jammy is still vulnerable.  That left me wondering what the security policy is for ubuntu+1.  No security support or would this be considered a bug?  I was just wondering if I should open a ticket.  Obviously, I didn't think I'd open myself up to security pro
[13:51] <Laibsch> ting out ubuntu+1 before it's release.
[13:54] <ahasenack> Laibsch: we try to keep devel up-to-date, but sometimes fail
[13:55] <Laibsch> so it is a "bug"? should I file a ticket?
[13:55] <ahasenack> Laibsch: this is the bug requesting the update: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1946839
[13:55] <Laibsch> OK, it's already done. Even better.
[13:55] <ahasenack> it doesn't mention the cves specifically, it's a generic one to update samba in the devel release, and is how we keep track of it
[13:56] <ahasenack> in fact, it's on my plate to handle that, I think next week
[13:56] <ahasenack> it's a big change, because we will have to go ahead of debian again, in debian samba is asking for a new maintainer
[13:56] <ahasenack> or help, in general
[13:56] <ahasenack> I'm even working on smaller stuff this weekend so I have time for the big problems next week ;)
[13:57] <Laibsch> awesome. thank you for your work!
[13:58] <ahasenack> cheers
[20:14] <dima5> Hi. I'm looking at the Jammy release schedule. It says that the Debian import freeze is on Feb 24. I'm looking at a package that made it into Debian/sid around two weeks ago (mrcal), and it's not in jammy yet (as reported by packages.ubuntu.com). Is this just a matter of time, or does something need to happen to make sure that package is included? Thanks
[20:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> dima5: It's there: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mrcal
[20:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Of course, they left before I could respond. >.<
[20:26] <Eickmeyer> Meer seconds at that.
[20:49] <ahasenack> it's in proposed still, though
[20:50] <ahasenack> it failed to build
[20:50] <ahasenack> not sure what this error is: "Couldn't parse out argument kind at mrbuild/make-pod-from-help.pl line 94."
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> dima5: ^
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> ahasenack: Yeah, I let them know in a query.
[23:19] <dima5> ahasenack: it builds just fine in Debian. I'll look with a jammy chroot
[23:19] <dima5> How did you see that it failed to build? Did you just try it, or is there a status page somewhere?


[08:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage coreycb, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3182 Release pocket
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[02:22] <jelo> hello. just have upgraded to 2204 - why is Ambient-MATE theme missing? (i previously copy it from my old machine to another machine as it was also missing in vnc desktop ubuntu server 2204)
[02:24] <jelo>  /usr/share/themes/Ambiant-MATE   and   /usr/share/icons/Ambiant-MATE
[02:35] <superkuh> https://github.com/lah7/Ambiant-MATE/
[02:36] <superkuh> "Ambiant-MATE, Ambiant-MATE-Dark and Radiant-MATE were deprecated after Ubuntu MATE 20.04 and is no longer officially supported starting in 22.04. This repository is a fork of the original themes and icons previously in ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-artwork."
[02:37] <superkuh> I also disagree with this removal.
[02:43] <jelo> thanks.
[02:43] <jelo> yes. best theme. and THEY :D removed it.
[02:43] <jelo> it is also some other things that should be defalt and they are not and in my opinion it makes less people use linux.
[02:44] <superkuh> I've just been porting the files from my MATE theme from 1.8.2 (2014) to ever subsequent MATE DE install.
[02:44] <superkuh> +y
[02:45] <superkuh> It's getting harder and harder to replicate the functionality and look of gnome2 every release.
[02:45] <jelo> i just copied files too.
[02:45] <jelo> ah. maybe.
[02:46] <superkuh> gtk3 is changing underneath MATE. Nothing they can do about it.
[02:46] <superkuh> Well, changed.
[02:46] <superkuh> Now it's just frozen broken.
[02:46] <jelo> i dont realy understend these gtk2 gtk3 things...
[02:46] <jelo> but lots of these things looks ugly ;)
[02:47] <jelo> AND even the NEW design (without menu File etc on the top) is not comfortable tu use (it is in some programs)
[02:48] <superkuh> I hate how on modern MATE built with modern gtk3 I cannot copy and paste file paths directly into a file->open dialog.
[02:48] <superkuh> It drives me crazy.
[02:48] <jelo> yep, it perhabs wish to that wrong way ;) (gtk3)
[02:48] <jelo> i never use these grapgics for files - only mc
[02:48] <superkuh> oldschool.
[02:49] <jelo> i m 1982
[02:49] <superkuh> I really like nautilus/caja. I spent/spend a lot of time building up my nautilus scripts.
[02:49] <jelo> child of zx spectrum ;)
[02:49] <superkuh> Even wrote a few myself for handling things like tech to speech of documents.
[02:49] <superkuh> I'm GUI at heart.
[02:50] <superkuh> Er, s/tech/text/
[02:50] <jelo> would you like to take a look on my translate shell gui i made some years ago and no one use it! just my.
[02:51] <jelo> and about gtk... once i lern some wxwidgets (know its weird) but then i start thinking its best thing for gui without browser as it is still simple.
[02:52] <jelo> AND these native gtk or QT ... is...
[02:52] <superkuh> I use Perl/Tk. ;)
[02:52] <jelo> i m too perl ;)
[02:52] <jelo> but more node now.
[02:52] <superkuh> I'm sorry.
[02:52] <superkuh> Sounds rough.
[02:54] <jelo> once i even start a somthing to run perl scripts on windows machines with graphics and table output :)
[02:55] <superkuh> I learned perl on win32.
[02:56] <superkuh> Long before I switched to Ubuntu (5.04 days).
[02:56] <jelo> https://dmini.eu/ex-test/
[02:57] <jelo> ok found this. there is screenshot with "exel" and perl script
[02:58] <jelo> i d k now if there is still sense to avoid browsers html+js
[02:59] <jelo> i dont like it for something that should be desktope app, but do normal people care?
[02:59] <jelo> https://dmini.eu/trans-gui/
[02:59] <jelo> and the translator gui
[03:00] <superkuh> Normal people don't use computers.
[03:01] <superkuh> They use smart phones.
[03:01] <jelo> it is also...
[03:01] <jelo> something...
[03:01] <jelo> in my opinion - even breaking the world. as.
[03:03] <jelo> it is making people dumb on many levels
[03:05] <jelo> or maybe they also dont like windows. when switch to phones with everything that is not work.
[03:10] <jelo> and then it comes: removed Ambient-MATE.
[05:27] <alkisg> I don't mind much about themes, but some teachers here reported that Yaru looks like Windows 95 to them :D


[08:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:31] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:31] <knightwise> how are you doing today :)
[08:32] <brobostigon> not bad, and you? knightwise
[08:33]  * brobostigon has a few questions about ubuntu touch, and about the system upgrade process depending on the type on install.
[08:34] <knightwise> doing ok , just restoring my Surface pro tablet to Windows 8.1
[08:34] <knightwise> I need to do a prsentation on the cloud pretty soon
[08:35] <brobostigon> :)
[08:35] <knightwise> not obvious to restore it after you installed ubuntu on it :)
[08:35] <knightwise> brobostigon: your question about ubuntu touch. Is that on the phone or the pc  ?
[08:35] <brobostigon> ah,
[08:35] <brobostigon> knightwise: phone.
[08:40] <knightwise> ok , lets see if i can help you
[08:40] <knightwise> what would you like to know ,
[08:41] <brobostigon> ok, if i do an install into my nexus 4, ie, full install not dual booted in some way, will ubuntu touch versions upgrades work as normally.?
[08:43] <knightwise> i have no experience with that , i just bought the bq preinstalled :(
[08:43] <brobostigon> ok,
[08:45] <knightwise> but i do think you'll get the updates
[08:46] <brobostigon> ok, ty. but it has to be a full proper install?
[08:46] <knightwise> of that i'm not sure
[08:46] <knightwise> when i tried it on the nexus 7 , there was no dual boot
[08:47] <brobostigon> so you did a full install with phablet-tools?
[08:47] <knightwise> yep , but this was about a year ago
[08:47] <brobostigon> ok,
[09:04] <knightwise> sorry i'm not much help ..
[09:05] <knightwise> now I have to say , my first impressions of ubuntu phone are .. mixed
[09:06] <popey> brobostigon: yes
[09:06] <popey> if you install ubuntu touch on the nexus 4 you'll get over the air updates
[09:07] <brobostigon> but not in dualboot?
[09:08] <brobostigon> updates depending on which channel i choose as well?
[09:08] <popey> I don't know anything about dual boot, never done it
[09:08] <brobostigon> ok,
[09:08] <DanChapman> updates work for dual boot aswell.
[09:08] <DanChapman> wel the used to when i used multirom manager
[09:08] <DanChapman> s/the/they
[09:09] <brobostigon> ok, ty you both.
[09:19] <popey> I haven't charged my bq phone for at least 2 days. still 62% battery
[09:34] <brobostigon> :)
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> haven't charged my nokia for 3 still 100% :-P
[12:47] <brobostigon> is anyone familier with trouble shooting fb's sms notifications,?
[16:40] <mappps> ordered a new portable charger..stupid connectors seem to have become a bit dodgy on my anker one
[16:41] <mappps> having to hold the cable while it charges is no fun;)
[16:41] <daftykins> sounds like someone does not baby their possessions enough!
[16:42] <mappps> pfft
[16:42] <mappps> i kept it in my pocket while phne charges its portable..for out and about
[16:42] <mappps> it works fine..just have to hold the USB cable in
[16:42] <mappps> which well kinda sucks :)
[16:43] <daftykins> aaah loving win10 so much, lovely fast UI
[16:44] <mappps> really?
[16:45] <mappps> running in a VM?
[16:46] <daftykins> nah on this spare quad core desktop i have
[16:46] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/win10-10074.png
[16:46] <mappps> ah cool
[16:46] <mappps> how much ram?
[16:47] <daftykins> says right there
[16:47] <daftykins> ;]
[16:47] <mappps> ah
[16:48] <daftykins> super snappy despite some low end nvidia card
[16:48] <mappps> nice
[16:49] <mappps> not used it yet myself
[16:49] <mappps> was talking to someone yesterday still using vista lol
[16:49] <mappps> either use XP or 7..vista ugh
[16:49] <mappps> and obv now support's ended finally for xp
[16:49] <daftykins> XP should not be touched, nah
[16:49] <daftykins> plus i'd rather not see its' installer ever again
[16:50] <daftykins> still get people coming in #ubuntu after a suggestion on what to install on their ancient netbooks, amusingly
[16:50] <daftykins> i say bury the damn things
[16:50] <mappps> but vista?
[16:50] <mappps> pfff
[16:50] <mappps> i love my netbook;)
[16:50] <mappps> on it now:P
[16:50] <mappps> samsung nc10
[16:51] <mappps> perfect little machine..brilliant for travelling
[16:51] <mappps> use lubuntu/xubuntu/win7 all run fine on them
[16:51] <diddledan> the hampshire police had a thingie in sainsbury's which allowed you to sign up for some spam service they're offering. it was running vista.
[16:51] <mappps> heh
[16:51] <mappps> vista ugh
[16:51] <diddledan> this was on wednesday
[16:51] <mappps> i dont think i used it for more than a day
[16:51] <mappps> stuck with xp then onto 7
[16:51] <mappps> for my windows adventures
[16:52] <daftykins> mappps: you probably just have very low standards on how a machine should perform ;)
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, nice to see such a closed mind at work - your comment re netbooks... you obviously have never heard of Ubuntu MATE ;)
[16:52] <mappps> pfff
[16:52] <mappps> :)
[16:52] <daftykins> Vista is terrible yeah, 7 was a great improvement
[16:52] <mappps> yea
[16:52] <daftykins> and in fact 10 is to 7 as 7 is to Vista, so far
[16:52] <mappps> really?
[16:52] <mappps> I#ll try 10 eventually..i've got the ISO dl but not got round to it
[16:52] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: closed mind? netbooks sucked when they came out, in the bin they belong
[16:53] <daftykins> (well electronics recycling ideally)
[16:53] <mappps> pfff
[16:53] <mappps> il have them all then
[16:53] <daftykins> mappps: probably the wrong version now, it's on build 10074 right now
[16:53] <mappps> il give netbooks a good home
[16:53] <mappps> yea will be an old build
[16:53] <mappps> wll grab a new build later
[16:53] <daftykins> definitely keen for it to go gold :D
[16:53] <daftykins> rumoured release of July apparently
[16:53] <mappps> what's gold mean?
[16:54] <mappps> production i guess
[16:54] <daftykins> yes, final
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> i love netbooks
[16:54] <mappps> ya
[16:54] <daftykins> though in MS terms it's typically RTM - release to manufacturing
[16:54] <mappps> yay
[16:54] <mappps> what ne you got zmoylan-pi
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> i still have my olpc and a hp netbook with a 14hour battery life
[16:55] <mappps> nice
[16:55] <mappps> 14hr is impressive
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> slow but it just keeps going
[16:55] <daftykins> you need that time to get anything finished ;)
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> well i can off load processing jobs to servers and desktops nearby while i sit in garden with decent keyboard and battery life.
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> ultrabooks which were meant to replace them have gone nowhere.  the netbook has come back in a new guise as chromebooks
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> even ms were flogging cheap windows laptops that were netbooks in all but name
[16:57] <daftykins> meh, my asus i5 sandybridge does 10hrs
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> some people can't get by with the small screens and keyboards but for me as someone who uses public transport i prefer small
[16:58] <daftykins> that FHD Dell XPS 13 does 15hrs :D
[17:00] <diddledan> FHD: It's Flippin' HD Dammit
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> that's what you said fhd :-)
[17:02] <daftykins> Full HD
[17:02] <daftykins> as sadly HD beans 1280x720 up :(
[17:02] <daftykins> beans!? means
[17:02] <daftykins> this keyboard is odd
[17:03] <diddledan> aye
[17:03] <diddledan> 720 = CHD aka Crud HD
[17:03] <daftykins> :D
[17:03] <diddledan> or NRHD : Not Really HD
[17:04] <daftykins> PTTTHD, pretender to the throne HD!
[17:04] <diddledan> or HHWGYMNHD aka HA HA We Got Your Money Now HD
[17:05]  * zmoylan-pi waits for i can't belive it's not hd
[17:05] <diddledan> speaking of which, you know butter.. I can't believe it's not "I can't believe it's not butter"
[17:05] <daftykins> :D
[17:06] <diddledan> and related, don't try to spoonerism the "Vicker of Dibley"
[17:07] <diddledan> have I spelled that right?
[17:07] <diddledan> vicar
[17:09] <daftykins> :D
[17:10] <daftykins> ugh i plugged my secondary screen in over VGA, text on here is so blurry XD
[17:10] <daftykins> them thar first world problems
[17:10] <daftykins> or 1.1 since it's Guernsey
[17:10]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if i can still get my mitts on a working cga monitor...
[17:11] <daftykins> think my old man's hiding an amiga one from my mum somewhere :D
[17:11] <diddledan> I've got a black-n-white cga monitor from an AMSTRAD PC1512
[17:12] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, hang around the electronics skip at your local recycling centr... you'll probably own one within an hour!
[17:15] <daftykins> my dads mate calls that place Meerkey alley
[17:15] <daftykins> er Meerkat
[17:15] <diddledan> meerkey alleys are where the dirty women live
[17:16] <diddledan> I don't mean dirty as in grubby, either! :-p
[17:17]  * zmoylan-pi remebers when dec in ireland threw out a skip load of alpha powered workstations.  word went out on the grapevine and a lad from the office snagged one onto his scooter... kids were hauling them away on skateboards as he left
[17:17] <daftykins> haha
[17:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[17:21] <shauno> I used to work in dec's old factory.  I took a peek around, but there's nothing left
[17:23]  * popey generates openstreetmap tiles for portugal for the lulz
[17:23] <popey> wonder how much disk space this will take
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> cheaper than the roaming rates :-)
[17:27] <popey> exactly :)
[17:28] <popey> making my own little offline osm webapp
[21:51] <ging> didn't this channel used to be a lot more full?
[22:27] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I've got two raspberry pis that were given to me by a friend, it looks like they may both be broken though. I'll start off with the most functional one, It turns on, starts to boot raspbian, then just boot loops. I had it boot once or twice, but it froze after a few seconds. Any ideas?
[22:29]  * penguin42 assumes you tried with different SDs ?
[22:29] <Azelphur> penguin42: 3 different SDs, one of which is an official Raspberry pi one
[22:30] <penguin42> and different power supplies etc?
[22:30] <Azelphur> yup
[22:31] <penguin42> have you got a working Pi ?
[22:31] <Azelphur> nope
[22:31] <penguin42> hmm, neither have I - I just thought it would be good to test the SD/Powersupply etc combination with a good Pi
[22:32] <Azelphur> yea
[22:32] <ali1234> have you tested the sd cards?
[22:32] <Azelphur> I mean I have it on a 1A charger that was designed for the tiny TP-Link router
[22:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope
[22:32] <ali1234> there's probably a reason why you got given this stuff
[22:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, he died :P
[22:32] <penguin42> how inconsiderate
[22:32] <Azelphur> indeed
[22:32] <Azelphur> but I know he treated his stuff real bad, so it's no wonder if it's broken
[22:33] <ali1234> test the SD cards first
[22:33] <penguin42> Azelphur: Have you got an SD card of your own you could try writing ?
[22:33] <Azelphur> nope
[22:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: how would I test them? :)
[22:33] <ali1234> put it in an SD card reader and try to read it?
[22:34] <Azelphur> oh
[22:34] <penguin42> yeh, checking you can do a full read   dd if=/dev/sdwhatever of=/dev/null bs=1024k
[22:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea they all pass that test obviously, I had to write the OS to them..
[22:34] <ali1234> second get a bigger power supply
[22:35] <Azelphur> ali1234: I tried them on my Bolse smart charger that does 2.4 on a port I think
[22:35] <ali1234> 1A is not enough for the original pi with a keyboard and mouse and HDMI plugged in to it
[22:35] <Azelphur> I have power, hdmi and sd, NOTHING else
[22:35] <ali1234> 2A should be though
[22:35] <ali1234> chargers aren't much good either, they sag under load
[22:35] <ali1234> consider that you only need 4.2V to charge a lipo
[22:44] <Azelphur> I tried a bunch of different ones, the ones for my Tablet, and even a USB Battery, none of them brought it to life
[22:47] <penguin42> I had heard the Pi was fussy
[22:47] <penguin42> but I don't have one
[23:09] <ali1234> sounds broken then


[09:24] <Kamion> LaserJock: yeah, we've never really had a TeX expert in core
[09:25] <dieman> im lucky when i can figure out what the problem is with tex
[09:37] <LaserJock> Kamion: well, I'm going to try to at least be a bit of a go-between. If I can at least forward bugs to Debian and get their opinion maybe I can at least poke somebody in core-dev to upload for me
[09:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I have a lot of "at least"s in there
[09:43] <Kamion> LaserJock: sounds good
[09:44] <LaserJock> somehow MOTU Science has become the TeX target ;-)
[09:46] <lucas> LaserJock: I packaged libgsl-ruby (ruby bindings for gnu sci lib), it will soon be in NEW in debian
[09:47] <lucas> a "bindings for GSL" action might be an idea for MOTU Science
[09:48] <LaserJock> cool
[10:14] <cge> Is there a way to get a specific slightly older version of linux-source-2.6.15?
[10:19] <ubijtsa> mdz: if you were after debate regarding installing gcc, I am sure you will get your wish :)
[10:20] <mdz> ubijtsa: I admit to stirring the pot
[10:21] <ubijtsa> mdz: but it is good to do so from time to time..
[10:21] <ubijtsa> like the libdvdcss issue
[10:26] <NuxTech> cge: see http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/
[10:27] <ubijtsa> mdz: a suggestion would be to install it in the LiveCD image, but leave it on the install media for the installer images, and including a System menu-option to pull in full development (read gcc) tool-chain from net or CD.
[10:28] <ubijtsa> the LiveCD environment is less vulnerable from a intrusion perspective..
[10:28] <Kamion> please follow up on the mailing list so that suggestions are archived
[10:29] <ubijtsa> Kamion: I can summarise and post later if you like, I'd like some opinion now if no-one mind contributing
[10:29] <cge> NuxTech: Err, I mean the Ubuntu-specific changes, like changes in configuration between 2.6.15-19 and 2.6.15-22.xx
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> guys, what exactly does ubuntu do when packages are built?
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> any special patches to i.e. gzip, or strange gcc flags?
[10:31] <NuxTech> oops - kernel, panic!
[10:32] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: no strange gcc flags any more (we used to use a gcc wrapper that made sure e.g. gcc optimisation options were within sane limits, but that's turned off for edgy now)
[10:33] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: pkgstriptranslations is installed on the buildds to do language pack munging on packages
[10:33] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: and that's about it
[10:33] <Kamion> everything else is in the package's debian/rules and descendant scripts
[10:33] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  I am getting reports back that ubuntu is PARTICULARLY unhappy with the mprotect() from pax, which is generally sane to use aside from a very small set of very special cases.
[10:33] <Kamion> well if that's true then you can build it yourself with the regular packaging toolchain and find out
[10:34] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  Looking at oprofile, I'm noticing a lot of strangeness, for example gzip briefly executes code from what seems to be anonymous mappings.
[10:34] <bluefoxicy> hmm.  I could yes.
[10:34] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  I'm pretty sure things shouldn't be executing the stack or anonymous mappings, even python seems to be executing a fair bit that way (which indicates code generation at runtime)
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> I'll look into it.
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  You won't use -O3 or anything insane like that on Edgy will you?  -O2 should be quite fine... -O3 optimizations typically can make code faster, slower, bigger, or smaller
[10:35] <Kamion> we used to force -pipe and -mtune=pentium4 -march=i486
[10:35] <Kamion> but -mtune=pentium4 -march=i486 is gcc default now
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> that sounds sane.
[10:35] <Kamion> and who cares about -pipe
[10:36] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: -O3> it's up to the packages,.
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> -pipe is a non-issue.
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  on a side note, -funit-at-a-time should be sane (read a whole source file for processing, rather than going function by function.. makes optimizations work better)
[10:36] <netdur> I'm trying to master livecd... I used to /etc/skel for default settings but it doesn't work anymore with dapper... what going on?
[10:37] <bluefoxicy> but don't quote me on that, I heard of breakage back when it was first introduced ... I think in gcc 3.4
[10:37] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: if individual packages want to use that, that's great, but until it's the gcc default, I doubt we'll force it
[10:37] <Kamion> until/unless, that i
[10:37] <Kamion> is
[10:38] <Kamion> I imagine it only makes a difference on a small number of packages anyway
[10:39] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  I used it with gentoo, I recall it having a non-noticible impact but making a visible difference on very close examination.  It's been a while though.
[10:39] <eXistenZ> any cups developer?
[10:44] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: "non-noticeable impact but ... visible difference"> be consistent man ;-)
[10:44] <Kamion> if it's not noticeable, it's not worth the risk of extra build failures we would have to spend developer time cleaning up.
[10:44] <Kamion> or runtime failures, even worse
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  not noticible i.e. it's not running faster, using less memory, etc.  The system is responsive and fast as is.
[10:44] <Kamion> well, not worth it then
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  visible difference i.e. glibc is 30k smaller or such.
[10:45] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  using a profiler would be good if I was any good at it ;)
[10:45] <Kamion> if users can't tell the difference, it's not worth the risk to keep profilers happy
[10:46] <Kamion> not across the board, anyway. individual packages can use it after testing if they want.
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> umm
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  you're on dapper right?
[10:59] <mdke> EDGY
[11:00] <bluefoxicy> I thought the devs weren't going to boot edgy for 3 weeks
[11:01] <LaserJock> doko: ping?
[11:02] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  one of the gentoo guys is telling me that gzip has a really easy fix and it's in gentoo; and that locale should NOT have that behavior and the fix for it comes from DEBIAN
[11:02] <doko> LaserJock: pong
[11:04] <LaserJock> doko: did you change anything to fix bug #45292 and #44891 ?
[11:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45292 in sun-java5 "sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45292
[11:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44891 in sun-java5 "Installation Fails" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44891
 start with gzip <solar> when it's building enable --disable-asm <solar> or what have you. the problem there is it's hand written asm
[11:04] <sivang> don't we support bluetooth with some GUI ootb ?
[11:04] <bluefoxicy> easy enough.  *checks portage and files a bug*
[11:06] <doko> LaserJock: these are fixed, we are waiting for 1.5.0_07
[11:06] <LaserJock> doko: how were they fixed? in the java package itself?
[11:06] <LaserJock> preinst script?
[11:07] <bluefoxicy> wtf.
[11:07] <bluefoxicy> QUESTION:  Who is in charge of glibc so I can tag this bug appropriately ~_~
[11:07] <doko> LaserJock: yes
[11:08] <LaserJock> doko: could I get that preinst script from you? I'm basing a package off of your debconf scheme and I ran into the same problem
[11:12] <Burgwork> sivang, being worked on by mjg59 for gnome SoC
[11:13] <doko> LaserJock: see https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/source/browse/jdk-distros/trunk/linux/ubuntu/
[11:14] <sivang> Burgwork: ah, cool
[11:14] <sivang> Burgwork: a new tool are help to gnome-bluetooth ?
[11:14] <bddebian> Heya
[11:15] <Burgwork> sivang, a new stack, afaik
[11:16] <LaserJock> doko: thank you very much
[11:20] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: file it on glibc in malone; don't worry about who's in charge of it
[11:20] <Kamion> LaserJock: if you installed off a pre-release live CD then 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' and switch to dialog
[11:21] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: gzip> not my package, sorry, no idea; could easily be it was fixed post-dapper-UVF and we never noticed
[11:21] <LaserJock> Kamion: right, but I'm trying to create a package that handles that better
[11:21] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: dapper/edgy> I don't see why it matters, but I have one system on edgy to test bringing up the packaging toolchain
[11:22] <Kamion> LaserJock: the required fix is to handle db_input exiting with code 30 and print a nice message when it does so
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  I got an obscene picture by opening gnome-terminal, typing 'banner f', highlighting the output, and middle-click pasting it somewhere wider.
[11:22] <Kamion> assuming you're doing db_input critical
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> I just want to know if that's normal
[11:22] <LaserJock> Kamion: yeah, ok thanks.
[11:22] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: it's an f, sideways
[11:23] <bluefoxicy> http://rafb.net/paste/results/jkda4B98.html is what I got
[11:23] <bluefoxicy> but I didn't enlarge gnome-terminal before hand
[11:23] <Kamion> that's an f, sideways, with broken wrapping
[11:23] <bluefoxicy> ... yeah.
[11:24] <Kamion> nobody sensible has any time for you on that
[11:24] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  nod.  I'm trying to figure out why ld.so is using old_mmap() right now instead of mmap()
[11:25] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  just ignore me, I'm wasting air :)
[11:25] <Kamion> yes, you do appear to be. please do it on a different channel
[11:52] <bddebian> fabbione: ping?
[11:57] <zul> hes probably sleeping bddebian
[11:57] <bddebian> Ah
[11:58] <mgalvin> hmm, i notices some security? updates (libtiff, etc...) but did not ever see any upload notification via dapper-changes, does anyone know where/if the upload emails are sent?
[12:00] <mgalvin> pitti: ^^^
[12:02] <Kamion> mgalvin: security updates don't go to dapper-updates, but dapper-security; there's no upload notification for them, only USNs
[12:02] <mgalvin> Kamion: ok thanks


[08:00] <benoliver999> I've been poking around for a while now, and I just can't get this set of USB speakers working, no matter what I try.
[08:00] <benoliver999> I've tried pulse audio.
[08:00] <benoliver999> Alsamixer
[08:00] <benoliver999> Some other stuff
[08:00] <benoliver999> Nothing wants to swtich to them.
[08:01] <benoliver999> Bizarrely, the buttons on the speakers (mute/vol up/vol down), work perfectly... on the built in laptop speakers!
[08:01] <benoliver999> So right now I have a very large USB volume controller.
[08:03] <benoliver999> I've googled the thing to death, and I'm getting no luck. Maybe it's just a driver thing. Not tried them in Ubuntu yet.
[09:50] <beparas> Hi, I want to give my user to admin privileges for some command, how to give that
[09:54] <Wulong> chmod +s /bin/command
[09:58] <beparas> I did chmod +s /bin/mount
[09:58] <beparas> and run "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb" command it gives me error
[09:59] <beparas> mount: only root can do that
[09:59] <beparas> sdb1 is my Pendrive
[10:00] <Wulong> You know that Lbuntu autodetects and mounts these devices?
[10:00] <Wulong> It should atleast.
[10:00] <Wulong> If you ever want a regular user to use mount you will have to write this in /etc/fstab
[10:04] <beparas> I know that Lubuntu autodetevts the Pendrive, I took it as a example,
[10:06] <beparas> I want to run some admin command in my program, e.g. reboot, mount
[10:07] <beparas> I did some changes in /etc/sudoers file, but it not working,
[10:07] <Myrtti> why not just use sudo?
[10:09] <Wulong> beparas: ah, yes, sudoers is the way to go. Remember to use visudo.
[10:11] <beparas> I will ask me for passwd,  It is not comfortable for me to enter password everytime, as my programme is continously running
[10:11] <Myrtti> it asks it only every fifteen minutes or so, and you can get a root terminal if you *really* *really* want it anyway
[10:12] <bkm> but he does not want to enter a password. he wants elevated privileges on certain programs for his username.
[10:12] <beparas> @Wulong: I did some changes in sudoers: changes are, In User privilege I add following line, user1 ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[10:13] <Wulong> If it's not working then your syntax is wrong. I've had syntax errors with this many times.
[10:13] <Wulong> It's also important to use visudo and not edit sudoers manually.
[10:14] <beparas> I use visudo
[10:14] <beparas> where do I find syntax error
[10:15] <beparas> @bkm: thats I want
[10:15] <Wulong> I mean, if it's not working, you have done something wrong.
[10:16] <Wulong> username ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/program
[10:16] <beparas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Enabling%20the%20root%20account, I get info form this link,
[10:17] <Wulong> You have to use "sudo /usr/bin/program" to make it work.
[10:17] <beparas> @ Wulong: I tried  user1 ALL= NOPASSWD: ALL
[10:17] <beparas> also but it didnt work
[10:19] <beparas> @Wulong: is it not possible to remove sudo when entering the command
[10:19] <Wulong> No
[10:19] <beparas> ok
[10:19] <Wulong> sudo checks in sudoers if your user has nopasswd access.
[10:21] <beparas> ok, Thanks for the information
[10:21] <beparas> :)
[10:22] <beparas> one more question, If I want to run my program at boot time, which file I have to edit for it
[10:23] <Wulong> If it's your X11-user then you put it inside ~/.config/autostart/
[10:24] <Wulong> If not you should make a startup script in /etc/init.d/ maybe
[10:24] <Wulong> I often tend to use crontab
[10:33] <beparas> If I copy my program at /etc/init.d/ but, whom is going to start it at booting time
[10:34] <beparas> Is there any file where I have to say start this progam
[10:34] <Myrtti> ...
[10:34] <Myrtti> this sounds a bit like you've skinned the catch before having caught it
[10:35] <Wulong> Read about it.
[10:35] <Myrtti> if you want it to start when the system starts, you don't need to break the whole concept of sudo and user priviledge escalation Ubuntu has in place just for that
[10:37] <Myrtti> if you had asked the whole question "I have a program I need to start at boot with root priviledges" instead of "I need to run this with root priviledges without root password, oh and can I make it run at boot", it would have been easier to help
[10:39] <beparas> @Myrtti: you are right I have a program I need to start at boot with root priviledges.
[10:40] <Myrtti> beparas: good luck with that.
[10:40] <beparas> This is the first time I am using IRC so Little bit confused
[10:47] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:47]  * AlanBell reads back to figure out what beparas is up to
[10:49] <AlanBell> what kind of program is it beparas? I am confused
[10:52] <AlanBell> is it a gui program or a command line thing?
[10:52] <beparas> In the program I check for Pendrive is connected, if it connected then copy some data file form pendrive to PC,
[10:52] <beparas> It is command line program
[10:52] <beparas> It must be start when system start
[10:53] <beparas> and it run continuously in while(1)
[10:54] <beparas> So In my program when I run mount command it gives me wright error
[10:55] <beparas> don't have permission to run mount command
[10:56] <beparas> As this program is started at boot time, so It is not possible to enter passwd
[10:56] <AlanBell> ok, make sure the program isn't at 100% cpu all the time just spinning
[10:56] <AlanBell> that will use loads of power and slow things down
[10:57] <AlanBell> !runlevels
[10:57] <AlanBell> !upstart
[10:57] <beparas> no I use sleep in it
[10:57] <AlanBell> you can have an upstart job to run your daemon at boot time, that will run as root normally
[10:57] <AlanBell> even better, make it a udev script
[10:57] <AlanBell> !udev
[10:58] <AlanBell> http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/
[10:58] <beparas> I am using Lubuntu 11.04
[10:59] <AlanBell> then you can have your application auto run when you insert the USB device you want it to run with
[11:00] <AlanBell> I don't think it really matters what desktop environment you are using for this, it is all low level stuff
[11:01] <beparas> ok
[11:01] <AlanBell> also, this sounds very similar to stuff like copying photos off a camera
[11:02] <AlanBell> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#external-run
[11:02] <beparas> In my case I am copying *.jpg file from Pendrive to PC
[11:03] <AlanBell> yeah, that is a pretty standard use-case for this
[11:03] <AlanBell> udev is the right way to do it
[11:08] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbDriveDoSomethingHowto
[11:09] <beparas> Thank you very much
[11:11] <beparas> I have one quiry, How to detect the type of USB device, whether it is Storage device, USB Bluetooth adapter, USB modem
[11:14] <beparas> I use this entry to read device node /proc/scsi/usb-stroge/
[11:15] <kvarley> How can I extract the contents of a subfolder to the folder which I am running the tar command from?
[11:17] <AlanBell> beparas: that is a good question, I think udev sets some environment variables for your program to look at
[11:18] <beparas> ok
[11:19] <head_victim> Ah I'm too slow, was going to point out http://cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda
[11:19] <head_victim> More reading if you're interested though.
[11:19] <AlanBell> you are checking for SUBSYSTEM=='block' I think
[13:08] <ryannathans> after changing cloned mac address to connect to a wifi network it never connects
[13:08] <ryannathans> connects fine with the box left empty though
[13:10] <ryannathans> i keep getting deauthenticated according to dmesg
[19:48] <Aleski> Could I get some help with running/installing Lubuntu?
[19:49] <holstein> sure... you have the ISO downloaded Aleski ?
[19:50] <Aleski> Yeah. I've loaded it on a USB and upon boot it stays on a "ubuntu$" command line-esque thing. It's been a recurring problem with several Ubuntu deviations.
[19:51] <jmarsden> Aleski: Do you know what video card your machine has?  Also, try typing     startlubuntu   at that prompt
[19:53] <Aleski> I tried startlubuntu and it pretty much does nothing. I believe my netbook's video card is an Intel-something, but it's factory made so give me a second to look it up.
[19:54] <Aleski> Intel GMA 500.
[19:55] <holstein> Aleski: how about startx
[19:55] <holstein> is it "pretty much" nothing? or nothing?
[19:56] <Aleski> It did something (startx) , but whatever it was, it definitely wasn't a GUI.
[19:57] <holstein> i think the graphics card is not a bad route to go thought http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1746934 makes me think it should work
[19:58] <holstein> if it were my box, i would try something like knoppix live... sometimes i grab xorg.conf files from knoppix
[19:58] <Aleski> Knoppix...?
[19:58] <holstein> http://www.knoppix.com/
[19:59] <Aleski> So there's no way I can use lubuntu without a lot of editing?
[19:59] <holstein> knoppix is just a really good live CD.. i would want to see *any* linux boot on the hardware.. then i could poke around and learn whats going on and see what the deal is
[19:59] <holstein> Aleski: srue
[19:59] <holstein> sure*
[19:59] <holstein> if you havent tested the iso image download sum, thats a good place to start
[20:00] <Aleski> I'm trying to make this as simple as it can be. I wouldn't have a clue how to do that.
[20:00] <jmarsden> Aleski: The GMA500 is mot one I'm familiar with, but some Intel chipsets do seem to have "issues" with X drivers.  Sounds like it is going to be fiddly to get Lubuntu to run on that machine, basically.
[20:00] <Aleski> I do believe I got 11.04 to run once, but it's not ideal due to limited space and computing power.
[20:01] <Aleski> Anything similar to lubuntu in the sense of power and space consumption?
[20:01] <holstein> Aleski: lets try and test with definites in mind.. trouble-shoot and make notes.. know for sure... otherwise, its just an assumption
[20:01] <Unit193> Ubuntu has problems with that one, but someone built the testing version of Ubuntu with support http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/ubuntu-gma500-live-cd/
[20:02] <jmarsden> Aleski: You may be able to write a custom xorg.conf file and get X working that way, but you need to be willing to play... ah, use Unit193's link :)
[20:03] <Unit193> That's 12.04 Ubuntu, but you should be able to do a !purelxde on it :P
[20:03] <Aleski> So I could replace the xorg.conf in my already prepared lubuntu or should I go for that one?
[20:03] <holstein> Aleski: you likely wont have one.. you can put one in place though
[20:06] <Aleski> 12.04 wasn't exactly what I was looking for...
[20:06] <Myrtti> you were looking for stability?
[20:06] <Myrtti> :-P
[20:07] <Aleski> Yes, and speed. 11.04 was horrible enough for me.
[20:07] <Unit193> I figured may as well give it as an option though
[20:07] <Myrtti> Aleski: it is a dev version, I wouldn't expect miracles from it yet
[20:08] <holstein> what was horrible about 11.04? i would expect performance to be similar
[20:08] <Aleski> It's just bad for a netbook like mine.
[20:08] <Aleski> Then again, so is everything else.
[20:08] <holstein> 11.04 is bad for a netbook?
[20:08] <Aleski> Yes.
[20:08] <Wulong> GMA500 is some crap. I have it in my fit-pc. You'll find how-to threads on this.
[20:08] <holstein> yeah, its the intel graphics chip
[20:08] <Wulong> No, it's not Intels work.
[20:09] <holstein> Wulong: what is your solution?
[20:09] <Aleski> GMA is really, really bad. The only OS I can find suitable is, well, XP, but I broke my hard drive so yeah
[20:09] <holstein> well, its labeled intel.. thats all i know
[20:09] <Wulong> It is. Intel bought it from another firm.
[20:09] <Wulong> holstein: hold on, I'll find my blog post.
[20:09] <holstein> Aleski: i actually run several linux's with no issue
[20:10] <holstein> Aleski: i just have different GMA's... i have used normal ubuntu 10.04... 10.10.. 11.04... debian ..whatever
[20:10] <Aleski> I'm saying that when it did, it wasn't nearly as smooth.
[20:10] <holstein> i would just choose the version you want to run, and tweak it as Wulong is about to suggest
[20:10] <Wulong> Imagination Technologies made GMA500
[20:11] <Wulong> http://vegard.hammerseth.com/2011/05/fit-pc-2-as-htpc-using-l-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/ this is my post on "the" subject
[20:11] <Wulong> Otherwise use; sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gma500/emgd
[20:12] <Aleski> Not really looking to buy a pc if that's what you're suggesting
[20:12] <Aleski> Interesting article, though.
[20:12] <holstein> Aleski: the hardware Wulong is referencing is the same as yours
[20:12] <holstein> so the procedure will help you get support for your device
[20:12] <holstein> the current one you are using
[20:13] <Aleski> I have to do all this from the command line?
[20:13] <holstein> Aleski: you dont have x right?
[20:14] <Aleski> How would I even know that...?
[20:14] <Wulong> X (X11) is the graphical interface.
[20:14] <Aleski> It's not running, I guess.
[20:14] <holstein> Aleski: i know this might be frustrating.. and it sucks when hardware is not supported, but let us know what you need help with
[20:14] <Aleski> Which I assume everything above 11.04 uses
[20:15] <holstein> from the command line, if you are online, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gma500/emgd will add a repositor to help give you access to packages that better support your hardware
[20:16] <Aleski> I can't repair it from Windows or something?
[20:16] <holstein> when you say "i have to do this from the command line" i was saying, if you dont have access to X, that will be your only option
[20:16] <holstein> Aleski: you see at Wulong 's really nice post?.. there are 4 lines basically that will help you
[20:17] <Aleski> Just those four?
[20:17] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/812273/
[20:18] <holstein> then, if it were me, i would test and then try adding Wulong
[20:18] <holstein> 's xorg.conf if needed
[20:18] <Aleski> So, reboot with an ethernet connection, and enter these commands?
[20:18] <holstein> Aleski: that would be what i would call step one... then you can go from there
[20:18] <holstein> its nice that Wulong has that hardware, and has made that post, and is willing to share... that is your best resource
[20:20] <Aleski> There isn't any way I can edit the ISO instead of doing this manually?
[20:20] <Wulong> This can be tricky if you are not used CLI before, because GMA500 is the worst hardware I've ever dealt with in my decade of Linux experience.
[20:20] <holstein> sure, but that would be *way* more challening
[20:20] <Wulong> Aleski: you probably can edit the ISO, but I wouldn't know were to start.
[20:21] <Wulong> However, computlab has an ISO for fit-pc which fixes this.
[20:21] <Wulong> It might work for your computer.
[20:21] <Aleski> It's 11.04 right?
[20:21] <holstein> Wulong: did you try the vesa driver?
[20:22] <Wulong> Another approach would be to google "ubuntu <and your computers name>" to follow someone elses recipie.
[20:22] <Wulong> Aleski: I think so. You find it at compulabs pages.
[20:22] <Wulong> holstein: I tried mesa, but it sucks, as usual.
[20:23] <Wulong> This emgd driver I use today works, but I'm not happy with it.
[20:23] <holstein> for video playback?
[20:24] <Wulong> Yes, it has trouble with full HD.
[20:24] <Aleski> That's if to say the GMA could play HD in the first place
[20:25] <Wulong> I know it can.
[20:25] <Aleski> 500?
[20:25] <Wulong> Yes
[20:25] <Wulong> GMA500 worked fine until there was a new linux kernel which broke the driver dependencies or something like that.
[20:25] <Aleski> Huh. Never ran so hot in fullscreen for me.
[20:26] <Wulong> Well, Windows is greedy, but thats another subject.
[20:27] <Wulong> Anyways, after this happend, Intel refused (by license) to release the code or update the driver sufficient.
[20:27] <Aleski> Would Xbuntu work or would I suffer the same issues?
[20:28] <Unit193> Xubuntu is the same at the core
[20:28] <Wulong> Same issue.
[20:28] <Unit193> Wulong: Do you know at what kernel/Ubuntu version?
[20:28] <Aleski> at what kernel
[20:29] <Wulong> I think it broke in 9.10, so 9.04 should be fine.
[20:29] <Wulong> I can check.
[20:29] <Unit193> Doesn't matter, that's well past EOL :/
[20:29] <Aleski> Just something that I can have a GUI on, and runs sufficiently, preferably better then the official distros
[20:33] <Wulong> The info has been removed, but I slightly recall 9.10 being the last working version.
[20:34] <Aleski> Of Xbuntu?
[20:34] <Wulong> All of them.
[20:34] <Wulong> The first letters of the *buntus only describe desktop enviroment.
[20:35] <Aleski> Ah, okay.
[20:37] <Aleski> Can you believe my netbook came pre-installed with Vista Basic?
[20:40] <Wulong> Sure.


[00:29] <lightpriest> hello, I wrote a new grabber for Israel. that is tv_grab_il
[00:29] <lightpriest> what should I do so it would be included in the xmltv package?
[00:30] <superm1> submit it upstream to xmltv first
[00:30] <superm1> and then request that a new version be pulled in via a bug on launchpad (bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltv)
[00:30] <lightpriest> ohh ok
[00:31] <lightpriest> i'm kinda new to this... upstream means the original project?
[00:31] <superm1> upstream means the xmltv project, yes
[00:31] <superm1> they've probably got a mailing list or bug tracker for these kinds of thigns
[00:32] <lightpriest> ok thanks
[00:32] <superm1> by doing it this way, we don't get into an unmaintainable mode where we have to constantly patch their code, it's better if it's part of that code :)
[00:34] <lightpriest> yeah, i guess that's be a headache :)
[00:34] <lightpriest> that would
[02:07] <Essobi> mishehu: :)
[02:25] <mishehu> superm1: how's it going man?  moved over to the hill country a few weeks ago
[02:28] <hondo> Severe weather is the only option I am offered in myth weather set up of Jaunty. This saddens me,
[02:28] <hondo> .
[02:44] <Essobi> mishehu: Yea, I play with it a bit..
[02:45] <Essobi> mishehu: got a few crapture cards
[03:37] <rwlove> got a sound problem
[03:38] <rwlove> I think it's distro related because it was working before an update (I believe the update was the problem, can't say for sure)
[03:38] <rwlove> I've exhaused the ALSA channel
[03:38] <rwlove> anyone got a good grip on sound in mythbuntu?
[13:21] <tyabux> I have two questions: first; I'm using an analog tvtuner card. It works perfectly with tvtime. Should I expect to have no problems with myth? Second; I have a 2.9GHz Pentium4. It has 2GB RAM. Would it be suitable for a myth backend?
[13:44] <wombo> yes, yes
[13:44] <wombo> mythtv supports any tuners supported by linux
[14:06] <tyabux> and the hardware should be sufficient?
[14:09] <_ben> Should be fine
[14:09] <tyabux> nice.
[14:09] <_ben> what video card do you have out of interest?
[14:22] <fedde> anyone have some ideea why using a 2lnb setup ends up with 4 cardinputs in the sql
[14:53] <Essobi> Morning.
[15:15] <tyabux> _ben, I'm not entirely sure :)
[15:16] <tyabux> _ben, it was "Designed for Windows XP", but since then, Pinnacle has sold that division to another company that felt they didn't want to support the card anymore. And since I no longer have the driver cd and the driver can't be found anywhere on the net, it can no longer be used on Windows XP, but works straight out of the box with Ubuntu :)
[15:17] <tyabux> I have that experience with several hardware components: Designed for Windows XP, doesn't work at all in Windows XP, but works flawlessly in Ubuntu. :)
[17:14] <gizmobay> ANyone know if I can downgrade MB trunk weekly builds to a previous version?
[17:15] <_ben> mmm, depends if you upgraded the database i guess
[17:16] <gizmobay> Yeah, I've got a db backup
[17:16] <gizmobay> just need a previous rev of MB weekly builds
[17:17] <gizmobay> Not showing under properties - versions
[17:18] <gizmobay> trunk21965 is messed up
[17:40] <gizmobay> nevermind
[17:40] <gizmobay> changed the pvr res to 480 x 480
[17:40] <gizmobay> guess it doesn't like that
[18:16] <namuch> anyone have any advice on upgrading my stable mytbuntu 8.04 system, to a version that will support the hauppage hd-pvr?
[18:23] <superm1> namuch, you'll have to jump up to either 8.10, 9.04, or 9.10
[18:23] <superm1> any of them have trunk builds available
[18:23] <superm1> or someone will have to help get the trunk builds working on 8.04,  they currently don't build there
[18:23] <namuch> is that something that safely be done using the dist-upgrade process?
[18:24] <namuch> or, is that even posible with mythbuntu...
[18:24] <superm1> dist-upgrades are supported by mythbuntu
[18:24] <superm1> your success rate may vary of course depending on hardware, but software to software - the packages are supported
[18:25] <namuch> not a lot of custom hardware, since i do a split front/backend setup here
[18:26] <namuch> my frontends are all netboot off the server, so that will be annoying.  but i'm mostly worried about which version of mythtv would have to be used to have a stable hd-pvr experience
[18:26] <namuch> since, from what i've seen, it's mostly trunk that supports the hd-pvr, but i've had bad experiences with trunk in the past
[18:35] <superm1> well 0.22 is around the corner in a few weeks, so just sit tight then
[18:43] <namuch> you think .22 will be out that soon?  seem like it's been an eternity...
[18:44] <superm1> well upstream is in feature freeze mode
[18:44] <superm1> and has been for nearly a month now
[18:44] <superm1> the tickets are whittling down
[20:40] <mazda01> i have file called sqlAWDgzx that's located in my / folder. when i look at it it says this on the first line, "The system tables of MySQL Server" can I delete it?