[02:25] <micah__> hey there, i'm having trouble with bitwig on 15.10
[02:25] <micah__> three finger gestures are eating three finger touches in both gnome and unity
[02:25] <micah__> this wasn't happening in 14.04
[02:35] <jnxd> I recently cloned from the Music app respository, imported it in the sdk, and hit crtl+R. it went alright, but where's the convergence?
[02:37] <jnxd> I mean, it behaves just like it does in my phone, regardless of what shape or size the window is in
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <svij> morning dholbach
[07:04] <dholbach> hi svij
[08:09] <zzarr> hello! is there a way to record incoming calls?
[08:46] <jgdx> zzarr, not out of the box, as it is illegal in some countries
[08:47] <jgdx> e.g. mine
[08:47] <jgdx> or, legally ambiguous rather
[08:53] <zzarr> okey, in my country namely Sweden it is legal and it is because of telemarketing companies that bluffs that I want to be able to replay a call (of course I don't answer most unknown numbers, but it's to easy to make a mistake)
[08:54] <zbenjamin> tedg: ping, i need a process to change its cgroups, is there any API i could  use?
[08:54] <zbenjamin> tedg: unconfined process
[08:55] <zbenjamin> tedg: its about applauncherd, we need the app process to be in the correct cgroups so the app lifecycle works
[08:57] <zzarr> what the telemarketing company do is they call and say that the person answering has used there service for a year even though they haven't and then they send a bill and if one wants to fight a bill one needs the uncut call
[08:57] <jgdx> zzarr, maybe ping tiagosh or boiko when they come on later.
[08:57] <zzarr> okey, thanks
[08:58] <zzarr> by the way, why isn't it legal in your country?
[08:58] <jgdx> zzarr, an email to the ubuntu touch mailing list could also help out others in similar situations.
[08:58] <zzarr> do you have an address=
[08:58] <zzarr> ? -=
[09:01] <jgdx> zzarr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:01] <zzarr> thank you
[09:02] <zzarr> I'll send them a message
[09:02] <jgdx> zzarr, legally ambiguous. I corrected myself. You can't really record someone without their knowledge.
[09:03] <zzarr> that's the same in Sweden, but if you tell them that you are recording there's no problem
[09:05] <zzarr> I really hop I don't have to fight a company like that, but one can't be to cautious
[09:06] <ogra_> zzarr, it is definitely possible but definitely also not implemented in any way yet
[09:08] <zzarr> okey ogra_, is it possible to write a script that does it or must I wait for an implementation in app-armor and write an application myself?
[09:09] <ogra_> i doubt it is wired up in any way currently ... but i'm not a telephony expert
[09:12] <crusty_> Hi
[09:12] <zzarr> what are you doing here if you're not an telephony expert ogra_ :P just kidding
[09:13] <ogra_> zzarr, maintaining my legacy :)
[09:13]  * ogra_ doesnt even work on the phone anymore
[09:18] <zzarr> okey, ogra_ but you answered me ;)
[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Ada Lovelace Day! 😃
[09:20] <zzarr> I wonder, I have looked at some of Canonicals Google meetings that are on Youtube, is there a way to tell what person in the meeting is what nickname here (if indeed any)
[09:21] <ogra_> we usually turn on the name tags in public hangouts
[09:22] <crusty_> I bricked my meizu yesterday, during an upgrade, dpkg failed and now it's on a bootloop. I started fastboot and set a ubuntu-device-flash but it finish with "Failed to enter Recovery" but my phone enter on recovery mode. So i'm stuck"
[09:22] <zzarr> okey, that's nice, how do I know when a meeting goes live?
[09:24] <zzarr> crusty_, have you installed the recovery image?
[09:26] <crusty_> i put my phone on fastboot mode, launch "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en --bootstrap" and it turn on recovery mode i think
[09:29] <crusty_> the recovery image is not yet installed?
[09:39] <crusty_> zzarr, any idea to help me? thanks
[09:40] <zzarr> crusty_, I have "bricked" my phone and got it running again, I just followed the guide how to flash my phone,
[09:42] <crusty_> zzarr, it's the first think i did but it's not work
[09:43] <zzarr> okey, I "bricked" my phone by trying to be smart and move "/usr" to another partition
[09:44] <zzarr> but I followed this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/ubuntu-touch/development/how-to-flash-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-t3151601 and got it working again
[09:46] <zzarr> here's the official guide http://askubuntu.com/questions/645652/how-to-flash-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-with-another-channel
[09:47] <zzarr> crusty_, "http://askubuntu.com/questions/645652/how-to-flash-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-with-another-channel", "http://askubuntu.com/questions/645652/how-to-flash-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-with-another-channel", "http://askubuntu.com/questions/645652/how-to-flash-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-with-another-channel"
[09:48] <zzarr> crusty_, I'll have some food now, good luck, I'll be back later
[09:49] <crusty_> thanks
[09:52] <ogra_> uh
[09:52] <ogra_> you really dont need fastboot there ... just use the --recovery-image option for ubuntu-device-flash
[09:53] <ogra_> (with a path to the downloaded image as option)
[10:16] <crusty_> ogra, i work very weel with --recovery-image option and not with "fastboot flash recovery". thanks you
[10:16] <ogra_> :)
[10:39] <zzarr> crusty_, hello! I'm back, how is it going?
[11:30] <mardy> tvoss: hi! Is location-service suppoesed to build fine in wily? I'm getting errors building the tests: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12772536/
[11:33] <crusty_> zzarr, it works, with "ubuntu-device-flash touch --device arale --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en --bootstrap --recovery-image recovery.img"
[11:34] <zzarr> nice :D
[11:35] <tvoss> mardy, nope, on it
[11:36] <tvoss> mardy, mostly a leftover from the gcc5 transition, trunk is basically vivid + overlay, cleaning up right now
[11:36] <mardy> tvoss: ok. I'm looking for some bite-size tasks to get familiar with the code; do you have something to suggest?
[11:37] <mardy> tvoss: well, not necessarily bite-sized, but also not complete refactorings :-)
[11:41] <tvoss> mardy, sure :) let me see
[11:48] <tvoss> mardy, really bite sized: check that http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/location-service/trunk/view/head:/src/location_service/com/ubuntu/location/providers/gps/android_hardware_abstraction_layer.cpp#L324 is actually injecting the right time :)
[11:49] <tvoss> mardy, that would include adding a test in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/location-service/trunk/view/head:/tests/gps_provider_test.cpp
[11:49] <tvoss> mardy, those tests are installed on the device for easy debugging purposes
[11:50] <mardy> tvoss: cool! Is there a bug about that?
[11:50] <tvoss> mardy, yup, let me find it
[11:50] <tvoss> mardy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/barajas/+bug/1499256
[11:50] <ubot5`> Error: ubuntu bug 1499256 not found
[11:51] <mardy> tvoss: thanks
[11:51] <tvoss> mardy, feel free to shoot all questions my way. so that bug should introduce you to the gps provider, next step would be to move the provider out of process, introducing you to the overall infrastructure for how location::Engine works
[11:53] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue438
[12:10] <mardy> tvoss: please consider that my C++ (as in non Qt-ish C++) is quite rusty and I'm just now familiriazing with the new standard; but, the code seems to assyme that high_resolution_clock is in ms, while in fact it could be using another period.
[12:11] <tvoss> mardy, very fair point, so a duration cast might indeed be required
[12:11] <tvoss> good catch :)
[12:12]  * mardy self appoints a medal ;-)
[12:22] <mardy> tvoss: the third parameter of u_hardware_gps_inject_time() is also expecting the time to be in ms, right?
[12:22] <tvoss> mardy, I don't know off the top of my head
[12:23] <mardy> tvoss: ok, I'll check then
[12:23] <tvoss> mardy, ack
[12:29] <samurai> hi all
[12:31] <samurai> Somebody here who could help me with my BQ Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu edition? Can't unlock the screen anymore, the phone does not react to swipes. And reboot by holding the power button does not work either...
[12:45] <jgdx> samurai, maybe press the power button for a long time? I think that should do it.
[12:45] <samurai> hi... no unfortuately this does nothing. It used to work in this situation but now it doesnt :(
[12:46] <samurai> ah
[12:46] <samurai> now it did work... strange
[12:47] <samurai> I was pressing it for more than 10 seconds before...
[12:47] <samurai> anyway, thanks for your help :)
[12:47] <zzarr> samurai, you can emulate a battery disconnect on a phone by pressing the power button and volume down at the same time
[12:52] <samurai> ah i tried this as well (without knowing it emulates battery disconnect)... no reaction. But probably I pressed the power button not strong enough... was then pressing a bit stronger than the times before...
[12:58] <zzarr> samurai, did it work?
[13:04] <samurai> zzarr: holding only the power button a little harder did work.
[13:04] <samurai> phone is running again, many thanky
[13:04] <zzarr> :D
[13:04] <zzarr> no problem :)
[13:56] <dholbach> dbarth_, alecu: thanks for helping out! once I have the complete list of track leads for UOS I'll send instructions on what to do - should be easy though!
[13:56] <dholbach> <3
[13:56]  * alecu hugs dholbach
[13:57] <dholbach> we'll also send a mail with updated instructions on how to get session scheduled
[13:57] <dholbach> for now I'd suggest to just ask people to file blueprint as always (and replace 1505 wit 1511 on https://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/)
[13:57]  * dholbach hugs alecu back
[13:58] <alecu> wonderful
[14:07] <dbarth_> dholbach: ok, keep us posted
[14:08] <dholbach> will do!
[15:43] <atya> hi all
[15:44] <atya> I have an awkward problem
[15:45] <atya> I have a Bq A4.5, but I don't use it for some month, and I forgot the passcode. Can anybody tell me, how can I reset it, or what can I do<
[15:45] <atya> ?
[15:45] <atya> didn't I mean
[15:46] <atya> Is there any way to reset passcode, or the whole device? Or reflash it completly?
[15:47] <atya> Or I have a working brick?
[15:48] <tathhu> I think you could atleast reflash it
[15:48] <tathhu> But then you lose all your data (
[15:48] <tathhu> :(
[15:48] <matv1> sure you can reflash
[15:49] <atya> That is not a problem. I need to use it, so I have no choises...
[15:49] <jgdx> atya, no dev mode?
[15:50] <jgdx> atya, at worst, you could boot to recovery/fastboot (never remember which) and mount the system and change the pwd
[15:50] <jgdx> not sure a reflash would do you any good
[15:51] <jgdx> tathhu, and you wouldn't lose your data on a reflash
[15:51] <tathhu> doesn't it wipe everything if you use --bootstrap?
[15:51] <tathhu> jgdx, ^
[15:51] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, hey congrats for the new version of falldown, I love the new theme
[15:52] <jgdx> tathhu, yes, with that flag it wipes.
[15:52] <tathhu> jgdx atya but i thing that's the final solutio
[15:52] <tathhu> n
[15:53] <atya> jgdx:  is any documentation of this anywhere?
[15:53] <atya> tathhu:  ok I will try to find the right passcode before :D
[15:54] <jgdx> atya, probably.. google “fastboot mount system”. Sorry I can't be of more help, gtg.
[15:54] <atya> is there any wrong passcode limit?
[15:55] <atya> jgdx:  ok, I will try to find it, and solve my problem. If I can't, I will come back later
[15:55] <matv1> atya yes there is a limit but it only makes you wait for 5 minutes after a certain amount of tries
[15:56] <atya> matv1:  then I will try all the night ;D
[15:56] <matv1> haha
[15:56] <atya> tnx for all the help
[15:56] <atya> bye
[15:57] <matv1> also If you did enable developer mode, you could gain access over adb
[15:57] <atya> matv1:  I can't remember, but I will try to access it
[15:57] <matv1> atya cancel that. you can only gain adb connection in unlocked mode sorry :)
[15:58] <atya> tnx again, ( I will find the passcode, I can do it :D )
[15:58] <matv1> sure. gd luck
[15:58] <atya> matv1:  oh
[15:58] <atya> ok, bye
[16:49] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, thanks :-)
[16:58] <bobloblian> good morning, I have a BQ E5 that appears to detect a sim card, but no cell networks.  I am wondering how I can determine if this is a hardware limitation, or something else.
[17:14] <dobey> bobloblian: it could be missing APN for your provider (not sure who your provider is though)
[17:16] <bobloblian> dobey: thanks for responding.  Would the APN be required just to list the networks (ie when I click carrier under cellular settings)?
[17:18] <dobey> bobloblian: i don't know enough to say one way or the other about that
[17:24] <bobloblian> dobey: okay, thanks....
[17:26] <dobey> bobloblian: i would guess that if APN info is required to identify the network then indeed it might not show up when scanning for networks, but i don't know enough about how that works to answer definitely
[17:27] <bobloblian> just checked, my provider says it is not required
[17:28] <tvoss> mardy, anything I can help with?
[17:57] <awe> bobloblian, where are you based?  The APN editor is only concerned with setting up the proper attributes for the data connection
[17:57] <awe> if you can't register to a network, what APN(s) you have configured is a moot point
[18:09] <bobloblian> awe: I am in Yukon Canada.  My provider says the same thing, I should be able to scan and see the networks available.  they showed me how that works on an android phone, but mine doesn't seem to see anything
[18:10] <awe> What's your provider?
[18:10] <bobloblian> the provider is ice wireless
[18:10] <pmcgowan> wow
[18:10] <bobloblian> I tried running ./list-modems, I can see some details about the sim card, so it seems it knows the card is in there...
[18:11] <awe> bobloblian, frankly the pure 2g performance of the BQ isn't that great.  I'm able to use it in the US ( Boston ) with AT&T, but's it's far from good
[18:11] <awe> bobloblian, that's not going to tell you much
[18:11] <bobloblian> heh, right now I would settle for not great, but at least working ;)
[18:12] <bobloblian> do you know how I can tell if the phone is failing to scan for the network, or if the networks are simply undetectable?
[18:15] <awe> bobloblian, it's probably the latter.  Have you tried to see if you get any output from 'list-operators'?
[18:15] <awe> ( same dir as list-modems )
[18:17] <bobloblian> awe: that outputs just the two modems, ril_1 and 0
[18:18] <awe> do you have one or two SIMs installed?
[18:18] <bobloblian> I have confirmed with the provider that they support some of the frequencies listed on the spec sheet for the phone
[18:18] <bobloblian> just one
[18:18] <awe> which slot?
[18:18] <awe> top of bottom?
[18:18] <bobloblian> I also know there is another provider in the area that has all the frequencies, so I should be able to see them
[18:18] <bobloblian> I have tried in both, but currently it is in the top slot
[18:18] <awe> ok
[18:20] <bobloblian> just for the sake of saying it, I have been through the bug reports, exhausted google, and tried by trial and error every setting in cellular settings, and the ./list-* to figure it out...
[18:20] <SturmFlut> Does anybody know what the plan for Bluetooth is? As far as I understand ist we'll ship Bluez5 with one of the next OTAs, but does that also mean we'll ship QtBluetooth or any other abstraction layer?
[18:20] <bobloblian> I am thinking from all I have read there shoudl be some way in ofono to tell me the problem, but I haven't been able to find any docs that tell me how
[18:21] <awe> SturmFlut, yes... there will be integration at the Qt layer
[18:21] <awe> that's needed for BLE
[18:21] <SturmFlut> awe: Cool, do you know when?
[18:22] <awe> SturmFlut, probably OTA9, however it's still being discussed.  We were shooting for earlier, but it's a huge change
[18:23] <awe> bobloblian, it's not an ofono problem, it's most likely a hw problem... in that it's not a great 2g-only device;  Have you contacted BQ?
[18:23] <SturmFlut> awe: That would be in about two months then, right?
[18:24] <awe> yes, thereabouts
[18:24] <awe> but please don't take this as a promise
[18:24] <awe> I'm working on it as we speak
[18:24] <awe> we'd hoped to get it out earlier
[18:24] <SturmFlut> Oh, I've been waiting since April or so, I can wait two more months ;)
[18:25] <awe> great... we'll keep at it!
[18:27] <awe> bobloblian, gimme a few minutes... I'm looking at a couple of other things here, that might help give us a better clue
[18:30] <bobloblian> awe: thanks.  I have contacted BQ.  I actually got my first phone from them, it had the same symptoms, but the card wasn't actually deteced in the first slot, only the 2nd.  so they had me flash it and do a bunch of things, then had me send it back and I got a new one.  Now both slots are working, but still no networks
[18:30] <bobloblian> this time I am trying here first, operating on the assumption that if this is a hardware problem, is not one they can fix
[18:32] <mcphail> awe: I'd be happy to be a tester for any bluetooth changes. Would be very nice if bt actually worked
[18:33] <awe> bobloblian, I'll discuss with abeato tomorrow.  After a quick re-check, there are RIL commands that can be used to query/set the RF configuration of a device, however we currently don't support these commands
[18:34] <awe> the best I can do is promise to investigate whether or not they work at all with the BQ device, and possible get you a test version of ofono to try
[18:35] <bobloblian> awe: :D thank you sooooo much :D Any help is so much appreciated you have no idea...
[18:35] <awe> mcphail, for BLE, or just regular BT?
[18:35] <mcphail> BLE?
[18:35] <bobloblian> If there is any documentation, I am also happy to try and help myself if you can point me at what I need to educate myself with...
[18:36] <awe> mcphail, ;)-
[18:36] <awe> yea, it's one of the features that comes with Bluez5
[18:36] <dobey> mcphail: bluetooth low energy
[18:36] <awe> it's called Bluetooth Low Energeyt
[18:36] <mcphail> aah - no just regular BT. I don't do the fitbit thing
[18:37] <awe> bobloblian, unfortunately this is deep in the ofono driver code... As mentioned we'll discuss internally tomorrow, so check back me later then
[18:37] <mcphail> Just need it to connect to my car :)
[18:37] <awe> mcphail, great.  We'll let folks know if we need extra help testing.  thanks for the offer
[18:38] <dobey> it might require more work than just having bluez5 in the image, to get bt working on nexus5 or 1+1 devices
[18:39] <dobey> working bt would be a good step though. would be nice to have working location too :)
[18:39] <mcphail> dobey: now you're asking for the moon on a stick :)
[18:39] <dobey> mcphail: well, if i could find the moon, i might be able to get there ;)
[18:39] <mcphail> ha!
[18:40] <awe> dobey, we're focused on the bq devices and mx4 to start
[18:40] <awe> ( at least for BLE )
[18:40] <awe> although bluez5 should be a big improvement for regular BT as well
[18:40] <dobey> awe: yeah, i know you don't care about the n5 or 1+1 anyway. i'm sure mcphail cares about 1+1 though ;)
[18:40] <awe> bluez4 was deprecated, and not really supported by upstream
[18:41] <dobey> yeah
[18:41] <awe> I car, just not as strongly about the official devices.  ;)-
[18:41] <awe> wow,... that came out wrong
[18:41] <awe> d'oh
[18:41] <awe> you know what I mean
[18:41] <dobey> lol
[18:42] <mcphail> dobey: I'd care if I _had_ a 1+1 :)
[18:42]  * awe goes back to hacking on ofono
[18:42] <dobey> mcphail: oh, did i confuse you with someone else? i thought it was you doing that port
[18:43] <mcphail> dobey: I'd be happy to take the credit, but neither own the device nor have ported anything in my life
[18:43] <dobey> mcphail: oh, sorry! :)
[18:43] <mcphail> :)
[18:44] <dobey> yeah, i confused you with mariogrip :)
[18:44] <mcphail> Just a tab-completion error away :)
[18:45]  * dobey goes back to trying to understand golang/gccgo
[19:28] <jnxd> I recently cloned from the Music app respository, imported it in the sdk, and hit crtl+R. it went alright, but where's the convergence?
[19:28] <jnxd> I mean, it behaves just like it does in my phone, regardless of what shape or size the window is in
[19:28] <ahayzen> jnxd, in a separate WIP branch :-)
[19:28] <jnxd> ahayzen: is that public? how do I get it?
[19:28] <ahayzen> jnxd, https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/refactor-adaptive-page-layout .. and you'll need to run it either on Wily or by branches the latest ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[19:28] <ahayzen> *branching
[19:29] <ahayzen> jnxd, it is still WIP and buggy as we are awaiting fixes in the ui toolkit
[19:29] <jnxd> ahayzen: so nothing on the default vivid. guess there's nothing more to it than waiting
[19:30] <jnxd> ahayzen: any other core-app which I can test on vivid?
[19:30] <jnxd> I want to explore more of the adative layout
[19:30] <ahayzen> jnxd, if you branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk and then follow the instructions to run the app with that sdk you can make use of the new tools on vivid
[19:31] <ahayzen> (thats what i do)
[20:40] <jgdx> dobey, whatcha working on?
[20:42] <dobey> jgdx: stuff and things
[20:42] <dobey> :)
[20:43] <dobey> jgdx: why, what's up?
[20:43] <jgdx> dobey, not much, but I'm looking at push/polld code.
[20:44] <jgdx> and it's go
[20:44] <dobey> yes it is
[20:44] <jgdx> and I'm trying to broaden my horizon
[20:45] <jgdx> dobey, it's ubuntu stuffs your working on?
[20:45] <jgdx> *and things
[20:46] <dobey> yes, purchasing framework
[20:46] <jgdx> ah
[20:50] <dobey> jgdx: part of the work currently happening there was rewriting pay-service in go. i wouldn't generally recommend go for such things yet
[20:55] <jgdx> dobey, from cpp? I guess you get some wins in the concurrency dept.
[20:56] <dobey> jgdx: yeah, from cpp. i don't know if i'd call it a win. the tests keep timing out on the launchpad builders for some unknown reason
[20:57] <jgdx> a deadlock?
[21:00] <jgdx> those are fun to debug
[21:01] <dobey> well it's not a deadlock i don't think
[21:01] <dobey> the tests always pass and run fine locally :(
[21:01] <dobey> and simply rebuilding on lp usually works
[21:02] <dobey> plus having to statically link everything, and do vendoring of source code of libraries you need to use, and all that, is a pain
[21:02] <dobey> also, the general lack of useful libraries for client side stuff
[21:02] <jgdx> yeah, seems to be some duplication around
[21:04] <jgdx> development in one project required bzr, mercurial and git to fetch deps :P
[21:21] <dobey> jgdx: if you want to fix a bug, figuring out how to get gccgo-4.9 working on vivid, and replicating https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/+bug/1431486 with it, would be a good start. gccgo-5 can't be used, because it requires g++5 it seems
[21:21] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1431486 in ubuntu-push (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-push fails to build with gccgo" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:25] <jgdx> dobey, it's gc now (I haven't looked)
[21:25] <jgdx> ^?
[21:26] <dobey> jgdx: on wily golang-go is used everywhere, but the older golang in vivid doesn't support all the archs, so arm64 and ppc there get gccgo, but for some reason it installs gccgo-5, which is way wrong
[21:26] <dobey> and when i tried to install gccgo-4.9 i couldn't get it configured to be /usr/bin/go
[21:26] <dobey> no idea why
[21:34] <jgdx> okay, I haven't gotten around to looking at how polld/push are compiled yet. Noted, though.
[21:48] <dobey> jgdx: well, that issue isn't limited to push/polld. anything in go that has bindings to c/c++ libs on those archs will fail
[21:48] <dobey> anyway, time for me to get out of my office. later :)
[23:08] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Awesome :)


[00:21] <glyph> I just got a notification about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/806348
[00:22] <glyph> What do all those status changes mean?


[07:57] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:00] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN, ça va?
[08:03] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[08:03] <oSoMoN> bien dormi, donc ça va :) et toi?
[08:09] <jibel> oSoMoN, bien bien merci
[08:15] <duflu> Salut oSoMoN, jibel
[08:15] <oSoMoN> salut duflu
[08:16] <oSoMoN> making French the default language in Ubuntu, one step at a time…
[08:24] <duflu> jibel, would we have stats on language prefs?
[08:25]  * duflu isn't suggesting changing the default but is just curious
[08:30] <jibel> Hi duflu
[08:30] <jibel> yes we do
[08:30] <duflu> Oh, yes, https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics
[08:30] <jibel> IIRC it's published somewhere on ubuntu.com
[08:31] <jibel> yes this one
[08:32] <clobrano> good morning o/
[08:33] <duflu> Morning clobrano
[08:33] <clobrano> :) it looks like Italians are not Ubuntu enough :(
[08:38] <willcooke> morning jibel duflu clobrano
[08:39] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:39] <duflu> clobrano, I wonder when that value is sampled? Maybe people change languages later if they're comfortable with an English installation process
[08:41] <oSoMoN> good morning clobrano, willcooke
[08:43] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[08:47] <clobrano> duflu: indeed, in fact I always use english language :D
[08:48] <clobrano> duflu: but users from Italy are 2.8%, while italian language is 2%, so quite close (unless language percentage is rounded)
[08:56] <jibel> Hi willcooke
[08:57] <jibel> duflu, it's a installation time, we have no way to know when then poeple change languages
[09:02] <Laney> ello
[09:04] <seb128> good morning Laney & desktopers
[09:04] <willcooke> hi seb128
[09:04] <willcooke> hi Laney
[09:06] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:06] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you?
[09:07] <duflu> And good morning seb128
[09:07] <willcooke> hi seb128, sleepy today.  Trying to debug that snaps in the image issue until too late.  Drew a blank though
[09:07] <seb128> hey duflu
[09:08] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, the snappy team should really own that one and do an installer themself imho, proxy debug doesn't make sense if they could trigger it locally
[09:08] <willcooke> yeah thats what we've said now
[09:14] <seb128> kenvandine, jbicha, unsure who maintains the glade-master snaps but the list got a build failure 'cp: cannot stat '../src/data/icons/hicolor/256x256/apps/glade.png': No such file or directory'
[10:50] <seb128> bigon, hey, do you have any idea about the firewalld autopkgtest current failures (in the ebtables test), see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:50] <seb128> unsure if I read the log correctly but
[10:50] <seb128> --p IPv6 --ip6-proto udp --ip6-sport ! 12345 -j DROP
[10:50] <seb128> +-p IPv6 --ip6-proto udp ! --ip6-sport 12345 -j DROP
[10:50] <seb128> is that just an order or argument issue?
[11:00] <seb128> bigon, could be https://github.com/firewalld/firewalld/issues/469 I guess
[11:00] <gitbot> firewalld issue 469 in firewalld "firewall-cmd --reload fails on debian buster with nft" [Closed]
[11:24] <seb128> ignore that, this one was in a previous log and fixed in current try
[11:31] <seb128> bigon, k, I think I see what the problem is, ipset needs to be updated for the new kernel, going to poke at that
[11:33] <Laney> seb128: does that fix the 63 test too?
[11:33] <seb128> 63?
[11:33] <seb128> ah
[11:34] <seb128> probably not
[11:35] <Laney> got a new kernel i guess?
[11:35] <seb128> yes, we got 5.0 when it started to fail
[11:35] <seb128> which fixied the upstream bug I mentioned before
[11:35] <seb128> but broke ipset
[11:35] <seb128> and is also missing nf_nat_proto_gre apparently
[11:42] <jbicha> kenvandine: I believe I fixed the glade-amster snap mentioned above ^
[11:43] <seb128> hey jbicha, thx
[11:48] <seb128> Laney, so yeah, https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/?id=5cbabeec
[11:49]  * seb128 keeps poking
[11:52] <Laney> good find
[13:15] <kenvandine> jbicha: thanks!  Renamed icon again?
[13:29] <willcooke> clobrano, Someone raised a good point on the snapcraft forum:
[13:29] <willcooke> https://snapforum.s3.amazonaws.com/original/2X/6/6db33b0da7456be46210985f939a0e2040284e6b.jpg
[13:30] <willcooke> (well that's the image they were talking about)
[13:30] <willcooke> The icon on the launcher with an arrow pointing down, and the icon on the desktop with an arrow pointing up and right - do they same thing.
[13:30] <willcooke> Should we use the same icon / change the direction of the arrow
[13:31] <clobrano> willcooke: yep, we noticed that overlapping, but they haven't the same meaning
[13:31] <clobrano> willcooke: grey arrow is simply the symlink emblem
[13:32] <clobrano> is applied automatically to the icon
[13:32] <willcooke> ahhhh
[13:32] <willcooke> I see it now
[13:33] <clobrano> willcooke: we decided "no more fake emblems on icons" as well as "no more fake progress bar" :D
[13:33] <willcooke> so the overlay arrow will go away?
[13:33] <clobrano> I agree that's misleading
[13:34] <clobrano> I don't know if we have time, I think we need to redesign the icon
[13:34] <willcooke> np
[13:34] <clobrano> (time before UI freeze)
[13:34] <willcooke> not urgent
[13:34] <willcooke> it can wait IMO
[13:34] <clobrano> willcooke: okay
[13:34] <willcooke> thanks clobrano
[13:34] <clobrano> willcooke: I'll pass the info though, Stuart will be more than happy to fix it
[13:34] <willcooke> thank you!
[13:35] <clobrano> you're welcome
[13:35] <willcooke> Sorry to ping you about this, that's lazy of me
[13:35] <willcooke> but ya
[13:35] <willcooke> *ya know
[13:38] <willcooke> seb128, I found a bug in the slideshow.  One of the screenshots says 2018 instead of 2019
[13:39] <clobrano> willcooke: ahah, no problem, that's was easy
[13:39] <clobrano> *that was
[13:39] <willcooke> :)
[13:52] <jibel> tseliot, I proposed https://github.com/tseliot/ubuntu-drivers-common/pull/30 . I had to change the fake archive to teach it what are free/non-free packages. I ran it on amd64 and i386, let me know if it fails on other archs.
[13:52] <gitbot> tseliot issue (Pull request) 30 in ubuntu-drivers-common "Free only drivers" [Open]
[13:53] <jibel> tseliot, while I am on it are you interested in code validation tests and fixing code style?
[13:59] <willcooke> seb128, I pushed a new revision to my branch:  https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/revision/841
[13:59] <willcooke> should I open a new bug about it?
[14:12] <seb128> willcooke, don't bother about a new bug, I can just merge that
[14:16] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[14:17] <seb128> kenvandine, did you see my comments about gnome-characters yesterday evening? did that help or was that as much as you had laready figured out?
[14:17] <kenvandine> i haven't looked at it again
[14:17] <kenvandine> been trying to figure out this snapd issue
[14:18] <seb128> yeah
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, well, fc-list doesn't list noto emoji so it's down to that level at least
[14:18] <seb128> (or I did my testing wrong)
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, feel free to leave it to me if there is no hurry, I will resume that debug later or tomorrow
[14:19] <kenvandine> seb128: that would be great
[14:19] <seb128> deal then :)
[14:19] <kenvandine> i probably won't get back to it today anyway
[14:19] <kenvandine> i have icon issues to deal with as well as stressing over this snapd issue :/
[14:27] <seb128> hey robert_ancell?!
[14:37] <willcooke> somone left their laptop on after the all hands
[14:44] <jdstrand> seb128: hey, I'm sorry to bother you. the new alt+tab behvior in disco, is that only in the ubuntu session or is it something I can play with in the gnome session?
[14:44] <jdstrand> maybe a dconf entry?
[14:45] <jdstrand> or a tweak? I didn't see it there. let me check that again
[14:50] <willcooke> jdstrand, you can change the key bindings
[14:50] <willcooke> or try super-tab for the original way
[14:51] <seb128> jdstrand, we just inverted the keybinding for app and win switcher
[14:51] <seb128> jdstrand, super-tab should give you the disco one in bionic/cosmic
[14:51] <willcooke> Settings -> Device -> Keyboard
[14:51] <seb128> jdstrand, or you can change them as willcooke said
[14:51] <willcooke> look for app switcher and window switcher
[14:56] <jdstrand> hmm, they seem to do the same thing
[14:56]  * jdstrand looks at keybindings
[14:57] <willcooke> jdstrand, out of interest - do you find disco to be "faster" than Bionic?
[14:58] <jdstrand> willcooke: it's been a while. I can say I have no complaints thus far. notifications was the most underperforming bit for me historically, cause I use aa-notify and do a lot of profiling so the apparmor denials would cue up in the hundreds or more
[15:02] <willcooke> jdstrand, got ya, thx
[15:13] <seb128> tkamppeter, bug #1813825 could you look at the duplex thing on the current comment?
[15:14] <jdstrand> oh, weird, Switch Windows was listed as Disabled and Switch Applications as Super+Tab, but functionally Alt+Tab did the same thing
[15:14] <jdstrand> now I know how to adjust it so I'm good
[15:19] <willcooke> hm
[15:21] <willcooke> I assume you upgraded early jdstrand
[15:21] <willcooke> I'll need to check upgrades for that
[15:25] <tseliot> jibel: sure
[15:32] <jdstrand> willcooke: I upgraded as soon as I got home from Cape Town based on our conversation :) I didn't realize it was a simple keyboard shortcut. that's fine, it has been handy running disco for other reasons
[15:35] <clobrano> for some reason tilix does not work with gtkinspector only on Ubuntu (tested on fedora, it works), does anyone have an idea why?
[16:09] <clobrano> uhm, nope it works sorry :)
[16:15] <willcooke> \o/
[16:15] <willcooke> another problem fixed
[16:16] <clobrano> ahahah
[18:28] <willcooke> Toggling the over amplification knob makes the slider go from a round pointy bit to an arrow pointy bit.  Is that expected?
[19:39] <willcooke> night all


[04:26] <InHisName> Did I miss much in last 55 hours ?
[05:11] <adom> end of the world. bacon is the new currency.
[05:16] <InHisName> nom nom
[09:14] <JonathanD> baconcoin
[10:28] <rmg51> Morning
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:10] <ChinnoDog> In the New World where bacon is the currency I will hire anorexic bankers.
[14:59] <lazyPower> Morning o/
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> In the age of baconcoin everyone will be vegetarians because all meat will be converted into bacon.
[16:50] <lazyPower> ChinnoDog: http://imgur.com/CLmrbh1
[19:16] <ChinnoDog> That coin is made of worthless gold.
[19:17] <ChinnoDog> Gold is not very useful during the apocalypse.
[21:40] <KyleYankan> Silver is. Good for decontaminating water


[00:00] <eviljames> heheh
[00:00] <eviljames> Red-Raven: no worries, start reading the documentation, it'll be more clear than I am anyway :D
[00:00] <eviljames> have fun
[00:00] <Red-Raven> i will:)
[00:10] <nit-wit> natty , natty , natty
[00:11] <ChrisDruif> nit-wit: What's with natty?
[00:11] <nit-wit> ChrisDruif, just having fun at others exspese.:)
[00:12] <ChrisDruif> Expanse? :P
[00:12] <stlsaint> ChrisDruif: sup
[00:12] <eviljames> lvm / raid / ubuntu experts around?
[00:14] <ChrisDruif> Ubuntu experts? :P
[00:14] <eviljames> *shrug* if there is such a thing ;)
[00:15] <nit-wit> opps installed compiz and lost the desktop it is back. *exspense was the word of the day
[00:18] <pigy1_alt> how can i update flash player, cant watch utube via firefox
[00:51] <johnny77> Is anyone familiar with Openbox? I'm playing around with setting up a Openbox session.
[00:52] <ChrisDruif> johnny77: You might be better off in #lubuntu seeing LXDE uses OpenBox :)
[00:54] <johnny77> ChrisDruif: I have LXDE installed and like it, but noticed that I could login to an "Openbox Session". Not knowing what that was I Googled it. Now I have no idea if I should be using LXDE, Gnome/Openbox, Openbox, or try Blackbox or Fluxbox.
[00:57] <ChrisDruif> OpenBox is just one part of the Desktop Environment :) (Bit late and a few beers too many to remember what it exactly does :P)
[00:57] <ChrisDruif> Lemma check what is does again :P
[00:58] <ChrisDruif> Ahh...Window Managers :D
[00:59] <ChrisDruif> Here you've got a comparison of the WM's in Linux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_window_managers
[01:00] <ChrisDruif> Default Gnome uses Metacity :) In Ubuntu is Compiz installed as well :)
[01:00] <ChrisDruif> But it's all your own preference :)
[01:01]  * JackyAlcine be bracck
[01:02]  * hajour giggles his idea s?
[01:02] <hajour> oops wrong chat
[01:03] <ChrisDruif> xD
[01:03] <ChrisDruif> johnny77: Don't mind those two for once :)
[01:06] <ChrisDruif> johnny77: Did that help you anything?
[01:08] <johnny77> ChrisDruif: Yeah, it helped.... I know a lot has to do with preference, but I really don't want to install them all, just to see which I liked. Being new to Ubuntu I'm not sure how it's all put together. Is it better to run LXDE or just openbox? What do I loose if I just run openbox?
[01:08] <ChrisDruif> Did you install LXDE or Lubuntu? :)
[01:09] <johnny77> ChanServ: I just don't know how all the pieces of the puzzle fit together.
[01:09] <johnny77> ChrisDruif: LXDE
[01:09] <johnny77> ChrisDruif: oops, that last that one post was supposed to go to you Chris. :)
[01:10] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, I guessed it was :P
[01:11] <ChrisDruif> As was noticed on that comparison site I gave you is LXDE by default shipped with Xfwm, a compositing window manager...
[01:14] <ChrisDruif> Compositing wm's can do all sorts of things with windows, instead of just showing them side-by-side, cascaded etc....they can do things like Wobbly Windows (morphing and what-not)... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager )
[01:15] <ChrisDruif> This is apposed to OpenBox, which only allows stacking (few more things as well) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacking_window_manager )
[01:16] <ChrisDruif> So that would be the trade-off :)
[01:16] <ChrisDruif> I must say only Compix is really advanced in manipulating windows (Wobbly Windows, transparency etc)
[01:17] <johnny77> ChrisDruif: When I installed LXDE from the Software Center, it installed Openbox as the WM.
[01:17] <ChrisDruif> Ow...then Wikipedia must be out of date or something :)
[01:18] <ChrisDruif> Here is a small explanation about what a Desktop Environment means in Unix-systems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment#Desktop_environments_for_the_X_Window_System
[01:21] <nit-wit> johnny77, look n synaptic with lxde and see if it installed, U would avois the software center it misses dependencies, and you can't see all that is being installed.
[01:21] <nit-wit> *in
[01:22] <ChrisDruif> nit-wit: You can select to see "technical" packages in USC :P
[01:23] <ChrisDruif> But when searching, I do prefer synaptic thou O:-)
[01:23] <nit-wit> ChrisDruif, that may be so but synaptic all around is a better learning environment it has more applicability.
[01:23] <johnny77> nit-wit: XFWM is not installed on my computer. If that is what you wanted me to check.
[01:24] <nit-wit> johnny77, I just run in a terminal sudo apt-get install lxde,
[01:25] <johnny77> nit-wit: I'm not trying to be difficult, but why?
[01:25] <ChrisDruif> Alright my lovelies, you've found each other...I'll leave you two alone :)
[01:25] <nit-wit> johnny77, that is the way I do it as I know I have the repositories open, and I'm a exsperienced user.
[01:25] <ChrisDruif> Off to bed :)
[01:26] <johnny77> ChrisDruif: bye
[01:26] <nit-wit> ChrisDruif, mmmmmmm:)
[01:26] <johnny77> nit-wit: oh, ok... I've installed programs with terminal and am working on getting more familiar with it.
[01:27] <nit-wit> johnny77, open box may have been installed already but you didn't get the lxde meta package not sure
[01:27] <nit-wit> johnny77, it takes awhile I started with computer only 4 years ago, but with open source
[01:28] <johnny77> nit-wit: Yes, I have the LXDE meta package installed.
[01:34] <apehed> Hello, I have a question. I have a computer which runs an old version of debian linux. I need to use an Asus-PCI-G31 (RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI) wifi card instead of ethernet on this computer now. I am unable to get it working on debian. If I burn the ubuntu cd, will it automatically work? I am thinking of just installing ubuntu on the computer instead.
[01:43] <nit-wit> johnny77, so the desktop I forget what it is called at the login window isn't in the bottom bar.
[01:48] <red-paladin2> Sorry I am apehed I lost my connection I was hoping someone could let me know if I install ubuntu 10.10 if I could use my asus ralink card out of the box
[01:49] <JackyAlcine> There's a chance; you should check if the card's supported by Linux.
[01:50] <red-paladin2> I know it is
[01:51] <nit-wit> red-paladin2, http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&site=webhp&&sa=X&ei=OrcrTaz1EIzg4wbLsc2ZCg&sqi=2&ved=0CBcQvwUoAQ&q=asus+ralink+card+maverick+meerkat&spell=1&fp=ad508277c3b23a06
[01:51] <nit-wit> red-paladin2, seems to need a bit of tweaking from what I read
[01:53] <JackyAlcine> Then it shall.
[01:53] <st33med> 11.04: coming soon awwwright...
[01:56] <red-paladin2> Thanks for the reply
[01:57] <red-paladin2> so just to confirm, if I burn a cd of ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso, use that to install the system, It should automatically be able to use the card as easy as a windows PC? I just have to follow those instructions if it won't shut off?
[02:01] <JackyAlcine> Hopefully.
[02:02] <red-paladin2> :)
[02:08] <nit-wit> red-paladin2, it looks like it may not just be plug and play did you look at the google links?
[02:13] <red-paladin2> yeah I did
[02:13] <red-paladin2> there is a lot of conflicting info
[02:13] <frank1_> anyone know if orb can be run through virtual box?
[02:14] <frank1_> or of another linux program that i can use to access my tunes from my blackberry?
[02:15] <red-paladin2> supposedly yamipod works
[02:15] <red-paladin2> but I have no experience so don't listen to me :(
[02:16] <frank1_> ill listen to anyone at this point
[02:16] <frank1_> i dont have a computer at work and the only internet i have is my berry
[02:17] <nit-wit> red-paladin2, I think the advice of trying the live cd is a good start.:)
[02:17] <red-paladin2> ok
[02:17] <frank1_> i want to be able to play my music through a stereo and ipods just dont offer the storage space i require
[02:17] <red-paladin2> thanks
[02:21] <red-paladin2> nit-wit, thanks. I hope this works I'm in big trouble if not :((( I thank you for your help
[02:22] <Red-Raven> hey. what have you guys been discussing?
[02:23] <nit-wit> red-paladin2, good luck use the Ubuntu Forums a well if needed
[02:23] <frank1_> well im trying to find an orb alternative
[02:23] <frank1_> with no such luck
[02:24] <frank1_> wanted to try running it through vb but now that wont even open
[02:24] <Red-Raven_> network connection had to restart to install virtual box.
[02:25] <Red-Raven_> ooh your using VB to?
[02:25] <Red-Raven_> im setting it up for the first time today.
[02:25] <frank1_> i have been using virtual box for a while but today when i boot up its not wanting to work
[02:25] <red-paladin2> Going to reboot and try it, see you nit-wit
[02:26] <nit-wit> red-paladin2, see yah.:)
[02:32] <Red-Raven_> um, ok i did something wrong with VB. i set it up like it told me to, but for some reason it never asked for the ISO. so of course, it said fatal error: no bootable disk or something. so how do i point it towards the ISO file on my desktop?
[02:38] <Red-Raven> anyone know whats going on?
[02:46] <nit-wit> Red-Raven, use the setting on the made machine and add the ISO in staorage click on the ISO picture and look to the right of the screen and navigate to the ISO. Shabang
[02:46] <nit-wit> *storage
[02:48] <nit-wit> Red-Raven, settings is in the top bar set the display in settings to 128mib all the way to the right as well
[02:48] <nit-wit> brb
[02:59] <nit-wit> Red-Raven, did you see my post on loading the SO
[02:59] <nit-wit> *ISO
[03:09] <Red-Raven_> no sry.
[03:11] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_,  use the setting on the made machine and add the ISO in staorage click on the ISO picture and look to the right of the screen and navigate to the ISO
[03:11] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_,  settings is in the top bar set the display in settings to 128mib all the way to the right as well
[03:12] <Red-Raven_> IDE controler?
[03:14] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, open the settings do yo see that
[03:14] <nit-wit> *you
[03:15] <Red-Raven_> says detected i686 CPU needs a 64 bit. unable to boot. im running a 64 bit.
[03:15] <Red-Raven_> (i did what u said)
[03:15] <Red-Raven_> also said use kernal appropriate for CPU.
[03:15] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, not sure but isn't that a 32 bit not sure about that.
[03:16] <Red-Raven_> im dual-booting a 64 bit. VB should run it.
[03:17] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, when do you get this error and your sure your loading the from the cd icon?
[03:17] <gnumerous> ubuntu 10.04. how do i configure my wireless modem to not start when i turn my computer on?
[03:17] <nit-wit> gnumerous, I would try #ubuntu
[03:17] <Red-Raven_> yes. i get it when i boot up the virtual machine.
[03:18] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, let me look on google
[03:18] <gnumerous> nit-wit: okay, thanks
[03:18] <Red-Raven_> ...unplug ur modem? idk.
[03:18] <Red-Raven_> *im new. just tying to help
[03:20] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, it looks as it should work open the setting and set the ide to ICH^
[03:20] <nit-wit> *ICH6
[03:21] <Red-Raven_> ok
[03:22] <Red-Raven_> what ever that is, it wasn't there
[03:23] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, from this page Warning
[03:23] <nit-wit> On any host, you should enable the I/O APIC for virtual machines that you intend to use in 64-bit mode. This is especially true for 64-bit Windows VMs. See the section called “"Advanced" tab”. In addition, for 64-bit Windows guests, you should make sure that the VM uses the Intel networking device, since there is no 64-bit driver support for the AMD PCNet card; see the section called “Virtual networking hardware”.http://ww
[03:23] <nit-wit> w.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html
[03:23] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, it is the right panel but take a look at the page
[03:24] <Red-Raven_> k hold on
[03:24] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, you might try a 32 bit to get orientated it looks like the 64bit is a bit of a setup. I have only used the 32bit.
[03:26] <Red-Raven_> ok. found the ich6 but same result.
[03:27] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, I haven't used the 64 bit so thats about it from my exsperience the 32 bit has always worked for me.
[03:27] <Red-Raven_> 32 worked. wonder why 64 didn't.
[03:29] <Red-Raven_> its up! will i have to install to save files?
[03:29] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, it looks from that page that it needs some more adjustment, there is a virtualbox channel I think hold on
[03:30] <Red-Raven_> sok, i need to get to bed. but thx for all the help!
[03:30] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, #vbox
[03:30] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, cool take it easy.:)\
[03:30] <Red-Raven_> thx. ill save it.
[03:33] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, 233 people listed probably get some answers.
[04:03] <serg_> hi all. is there any outcome: I have toshiba L655 laptop with hm55 mobile intel chipset. ACPI no recognized. tried all kernels up to 37 rc2 with ubunu 10.10
[04:03] <serg_> no battery. no sensors ...etc
[04:26] <JackyAlcine> :D
[04:27] <Cheri703> if I wanted to remove only files with a certain ending, could I do a rm -R *.bak ? would that get rid of any files in subfolders with that extension?
[04:28] <terrorinbio> nope
[04:28] <terrorinbio> as you dont have folders with Ãnames foooo.bak
[04:29] <terrorinbio> I do sometimes rm -rf *.r* a I am deleting rar files ,)
[04:30] <Cheri703> why not .rar?
[04:30] <terrorinbio> becouse rar pakes r01 r02 r03... packages too
[04:30] <terrorinbio> makes
[04:31] <Cheri703> gotcha
[04:31] <terrorinbio> if you feel unsure about removing so many files with a hmmm
[04:31] <Cheri703> I guess I'm looking for an rm equivalent of "copy-contents"
[04:31] <terrorinbio> what was that word
[04:31] <terrorinbio> wild card
[04:32] <terrorinbio> you can press tabkey and it will change the *.bak into a list of files that's going to be removed
[04:32] <terrorinbio> atleast a smart shell would do i
[04:32] <terrorinbio> do it
[04:32] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[04:32] <Cheri703> well, I have a few hundred folders I want it to go through...
[04:32] <Cheri703> and it doesn't want to :/
[04:33] <terrorinbio> :D
[04:34] <terrorinbio> put some music on and enjoy deleting :D
[04:34] <st33med> :D
[04:35] <terrorinbio> that could be done with a shell script, find blaa |grep *.bak and then rm what it finds
[04:35] <terrorinbio> :D
[04:36] <Cheri703> eh, I went back to my other way: did a search, ctrl a, del, hold enter for a while, wait for it to catch up, hold enter for a while, repeat :)
[04:36] <terrorinbio> :D
[04:37] <Cheri703> unrelated question: is there a way to find out what version of id3 tags a particular model of ipod supports?
[04:37] <stlsaint> night folks
[04:39] <terrorinbio> Cheri703, you should have bought sandisk sansa clip or something like that ;)
[04:39] <Cheri703> this was free
[04:39] <Cheri703> it's an older one
[04:39] <terrorinbio> well, that's my favourite gadget, free gadget
[04:39] <Cheri703> exactly, free always matches, and free is always state of the art :D
[04:40] <sergio_salfrede> Hi. a little bit offtopic) is it possibe to get last 100 messages on channel. If my connection broken I can't check if someone answered my question..
[04:41] <terrorinbio> sorry, I wasnt here ;)
[04:41] <Cheri703> when was it sergio_salfrede ?
[04:41] <terrorinbio> sergio_salfrede, what was your question
[04:41] <terrorinbio> maybe we could help
[04:41] <sergio_salfrede> about hm55
[04:41] <sergio_salfrede> intel chipset
[04:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> sergio_salfrede, if its is official channel, then look at irclogs.ubuntu.com
[04:41] <terrorinbio> ahhh, nope
[04:41] <terrorinbio> have you googled for toshiba hardware?
[04:42] <JackyAlcine> They need to attach Skype to the Messaging indicator menu.
[04:42] <JackyAlcine> smh.
[04:42] <terrorinbio> JackyAlcine, are you going to make skype opensouced?
[04:42] <terrorinbio> sourced
[04:44] <JackyAlcine> I mean, they have an interactive API.
[04:44] <sergio_salfrede> I've found that thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641931&highlight=l655
[04:44] <JackyAlcine> and another thing; why can't libnotify show like up to 5 or 6 notifications at a time.
[04:44] <sergio_salfrede> not solved
[04:44] <JackyAlcine> or even a configurable amount.
[04:44] <JackyAlcine> sounds like a job! :D
[04:45] <JoeMaverickSett> JackyAlcine: yeah, you should work on them. ;)
[04:46] <sergio_salfrede> terrorinbio what does it mean google for toshiba hw ?
[04:47] <sergio_salfrede> toshiba doesn't provide any support for linux unfort.
[06:24] <Saygan> hello
[06:24] <terrorinbio> hi
[06:24] <Saygan> im having trouble installing winehq
[06:25] <Saygan> i installed ubuntu on my laptop- im completely new to all of this- i do not have the drivers to get internet
[06:25] <terrorinbio><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:25] <terrorinbio> asdasdasd
[06:25] <terrorinbio> windows...
[06:25] <Saygan> so i am trying to get everything from my desktop (windows 7)
[06:25] <terrorinbio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[06:25] <terrorinbio> you cant :D
[06:26] <terrorinbio> wine aint that great for running windows software
[06:26] <terrorinbio> it can run something and it might require some work, but you really should try to seek opensource alternatives for the windows softwares
[06:26] <Saygan> ah- peachy
[06:27] <Saygan> got any better suggestions?
[06:27] <JackyAlcine> ?
[06:27] <terrorinbio> yes
[06:27] <JackyAlcine> What's the issue, Saygan?
[06:27] <JackyAlcine> I heard glass aka Windows.
[06:27] <JackyAlcine> lol
[06:27] <terrorinbio> run windows in a virtual computer if you need something from it
[06:28] <terrorinbio> *nixes are state of mind
[06:28] <Saygan> ok I'll try that
[06:28] <terrorinbio> you just gotta let go all those propietary things ;)
[06:28] <terrorinbio> but read that wiki
[06:29] <Saygan> jacky- my problem is i need the drivers for my wireless card to work on my laptop- and the drivers are all .exe files
[06:29] <terrorinbio> I've played some windows games under wine
[06:29] <terrorinbio> saygan, you should have mentioned that
[06:29] <terrorinbio> it's about ndisrwapper
[06:30] <terrorinbio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:30] <Saygan> haha i did terror
[06:30] <Saygan> ooh!
[06:31] <Saygan> thanks mate- i'll give this a go
[06:34] <Saygan> bugger
[06:34] <Saygan> doesn't look like its going to work
[06:35] <Saygan> the driver i need isn't on the list
[06:35] <terrorinbio> and your computer is?
[06:35] <terrorinbio> hp dell what
[06:35] <terrorinbio> ?
[06:35] <Saygan> hp dv5000
[06:36] <Saygan> Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC Driver <- driver i need
[06:36] <terrorinbio> that's ethernet
[06:36] <terrorinbio> not wireless
[06:37] <Saygan> aye- twas hoping that'd be easier to connect ot first
[06:37] <Saygan> as for wireless its broadcom
[06:38] <Saygan> but the HP site doesn't give much more a description
[06:38] <terrorinbio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx that's for the wireless
[06:39] <Saygan> thanks
[06:39] <terrorinbio> but
[06:39] <terrorinbio> if you say "ifconfig" in terminal
[06:39] <terrorinbio> do you see eth0?
[06:40] <Saygan> one sec- laptop is dying gotta plug it in
[06:43] <Saygan> ok gimme a sec I'll let you know hwat it says
[06:44] <Saygan> k got it
[06:44] <Saygan> broadcom BCM4311
[06:49] <Saygan> ok terror- do i type in the command exactly as it is displayed?
[06:49] <terrorinbio> 3without ""
[06:49] <Saygan> because if i do it does not work like is says
[06:50] <Saygan> ok now its working
[06:50] <Saygan> must have typed it wrong- i wasn't getting the PCI- ID
[06:51] <terrorinbio> do you see eth0?
[06:53] <Saygan> eth0 in the terminal? no
[06:53] <Saygan> sorry if i sound stupid but i have never done any of this before
[06:54] <terrorinbio> you have installed ubuntu 10.10?
[06:55] <Saygan> 10.04
[06:55] <Saygan> lucid
[06:55] <terrorinbio> maybe you should try 10.10
[06:55] <terrorinbio> got a newer kernel
[06:56] <Saygan> k
[06:56] <Saygan> wifidocs at least supports the driver i need
[07:39] <MrAnthrope> This may not be exactly ubuntu related. I'm trying to use an app on my Android phone called Remote Transmission to remotely pause/resume torrents in Transmission. I have no idea how to use it.
[07:39] <MrAnthrope> I opened Transmission Preferences and went to the Web tab and configured all that.
[07:40] <MrAnthrope> and it works in the web page. But not on my app. It just says connection error.
[07:47] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, is the IP blocking torrents
[07:47] <MrAnthrope> I have authentication turned on and the "allow only this IP address access" turned off.
[07:48] <MrAnthrope> I'm not actually trying to torrent on my phone. Just view what I'm torrenting on Transmission.
[07:48] <MrAnthrope> On my PC.
[07:48] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, I see hmm I wouldn't know I guess.
[07:49] <MrAnthrope> :)
[07:50] <MrAnthrope> I'm thinking I have the wrong IP address in my phone to tell it to connect to my PC.
[07:55] <red-paladin> hey nit-wit
[07:56] <nit-wit> red-paladin, hey
[07:56] <red-paladin> remember me?
[07:56] <nit-wit> red-paladin,  I remember the name but not what you were doing
[07:57] <red-paladin> with the asus pci wifi card on the debian disaster box
[07:57] <nit-wit> red-paladin, the card and the upgrade
[07:57] <nit-wit> red-paladin, so what did you do
[07:57] <red-paladin> yeah. I used the live cd and it worked right on startup
[07:58] <nit-wit> red-paladin, thats generally a good sign
[07:58] <red-paladin> so far no problems at all. even downloaded / installed the OS on the computer over wifi
[07:58] <nit-wit> red-paladin, the ralink card it's all coming back now
[07:58] <red-paladin> it works at my house on my router, so unless something truly bizarre happens, it should connect to his router no problem
[07:59] <nit-wit> red-paladin, is it a single install no dual booting
[08:00] <red-paladin> well basically I didn't mention the reason I came to bug you guys about it was I had a real tight deadline and assured the guy I would get it working
[08:00] <red-paladin> so I just installed an extra HDD in there and installed ubuntu on that
[08:00] <red-paladin> once everything appeared to be working, I copied all the personal files across
[08:00] <red-paladin> I wanted to make sure I didn't end up with a failed ubuntu install over a messed up debian
[08:01] <red-paladin> I only had one blank CD-R in the house
[08:01] <nit-wit> red-paladin, sounds good
[10:10] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:12] <ikt> Hello Silver_Fox_ :)
[10:13] <Silver_Fox_> Hello ikt =)
[10:20] <JackyAlcine> :D
[11:57] <jermza> Ubuntu recognises my graphic card.  There is even a setting in the System > Admin menu.  When I tweak the colours and quit the application, my screen looks great.  However, Ubuntu doesn't load those settings until I open that app.  How do I make those settings default?
[12:04] <jermza> Anyone?
[12:05] <head_victim> jermza: what application?
[12:06] <jermza> Nvidia X-server settings
[12:06] <head_victim> jermza: most likely due to not running it at root
[12:06] <head_victim> jermza: go to a terminal and type in "gksudo nvidia-settings" it will open up the application
[12:07] <head_victim> Then make the changes and save it to file and it should hold
[12:08] <jermza> I can open the settings from System > Admin > NVIDIA X Server Settings
[12:08] <head_victim> Yeah but I have had issues in the past getting it to save as it wasn't runnning as sudo
[12:08] <head_victim> If you use the command line it will open the same app but as a sudo user
[12:09] <ChrisDruif> head_victim: you mean gksudo ;)
[12:09] <ChrisDruif> Seeing you want to open an graphical app...
[12:09] <head_victim> ChrisDruif: yeah gksudo is an implimentation of sudo and the command I used did specify gksudo ;)
[12:09] <head_victim> You joined in late :D
[12:10] <ChrisDruif> Indeed I did O:-)
[12:12] <head_victim> jermza: did you give that a try?
[12:12] <jermza> yes
[12:12] <jermza> will restart and see what happens
[13:00]  * Daniel0108 pushed rev3 (fix) of ERRE
[13:06] <wolfpack> Recently I started facing new problem. when I try to run synaptic package manger ...it displays for few seconds then goes off.I tried to collect bug report for it using "ubuntu-bug synapitc" command but the same thing is happening with it also  ...When i try to run it from terminal I am getting SEGMENTAION FAULT Any help on it???
[13:08] <ikt> heya
[13:09] <ikt> if you head into the system logs, what error do you see specifically relating to synaptic file manager wolfpack ?
[13:09] <ikt> is it similar to this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/400362
[13:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 400362 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Synaptic Package Manager closes with segmentation fault (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Invalid]
[13:15] <wolfpack> ikt how to check for sytem logs ...is it /var/log?
[13:19] <wolfpack> ikt yes it is same as in the BUG provided by you
[13:21] <ikt> ah ok
[13:21] <ikt> sorry for not responding quicker, the fix is in the launchpad page :)
[13:22] <ikt> gnights :)
[13:23] <wolfpack> i tried it but now i am getting
[13:23] <wolfpack> E: Could not open file /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin - open (2: No such file or directory) E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[13:24] <wolfpack> ikt
[13:50]  * Daniel0108 pushed rev26 of libopenmary
[13:53]  * Daniel0108 pushed rev27 of libopenmary(fix)
[16:34] <mani_> my wifi router is not working in ubuntu 10.10
[16:34] <mani_> is there anyone to help me out please
[16:34] <Daniel0108> hi mani_ :)
[16:34] <mani_> Hi bro
[16:34] <Daniel0108> what's the problem with your router?
[16:34] <mani_> can you help me bro?
[16:34] <mani_> i have a wireless router in my house
[16:35] <mani_> TP-LINK router. it works fine in windows 7
[16:35] <Daniel0108> hmm
[16:35] <Daniel0108> so it's software related, your router is fine :)
[16:35] <mani_> but in ubuntu 10.10 it connects and signals shown there but web sites doesn't open
[16:35] <mani_> same as that internet not connected
[16:36] <Daniel0108> press Alt+F2 and enter gnome-terminal
[16:36] <Daniel0108> a window (terminal) opens, there you enter: sudo apt-get update
[16:36] <Daniel0108> and tell me if that works
[16:36] <mani_> just these 2 steps?
[16:37] <Daniel0108> not really ;)
[18:07] <jermza> Silly question.... does Ubuntu require file extensions?
[18:08] <jermza> For example, file.txt versus file
[18:08] <johnny77> I'm trying to set up a openbox session, but I can't seem to get Dropbox to load. Can anyone help?
[18:08] <Daniel0108> not really ;)
[18:08] <Daniel0108> jermza: ^
[18:09] <jermza> So, when saving files, I don't have to worry about typing an extension at the end
[18:09] <jermza> If I'm, say, saving a Gimp file, I don't have to type "mygraphic.xcf"
[18:09] <jermza> I can simply save it as "mygraphic"?
[18:10] <yax51> heres another silly question, why when I am trying to get the system updates for 10.04. why does it ask for lubuntu 10.10 disc? (I'm not even running that)
[18:10] <IAmNotThatGuy> jermza, when you select the name, you can also select the other file extensions at the save screen.
[18:11] <pleia2> jermza: your file.txt example was different, a program still needs to know what format to save a file in (.jpg, .png, .xcf, etc)
[18:11] <jermza> What I'm asking is: Do I need to worry about saving the Gimp extension when saving a Gimp file?
[18:12] <pleia2> gimp should give you a default extension in the save screen, it's in the bottom right
[18:13] <Daniel0108> jermza: after saving as .xcf you can remove the extension ;)
[18:13] <Daniel0108> gimp just needs to know that you are saving as .xcf :P
[18:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> yax51, your Ubuntu asks you to put lubuntu disk? you installed lxde ?
[18:13] <jermza> I see that, if you leave out the extension, it changes the icon in Nautilus.
[18:13] <yax51> no, thats the strange part....
[18:14] <Daniel0108> jermza: really? I tested it and it didn't change the icon, lol
[18:15] <IAmNotThatGuy> jermza, lemme check for you. give me a minute
[18:15] <jermza> And, let's say I've removed the extension and give that file to someone using a Windows machine, will their machine read it (despite the extension missing)?
[18:15] <Daniel0108> jermza: I think windows needs the extensions
[18:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> jemark, when you hit save, it will display the file type at the bottom right of the save window. better dont delete the extension. all files need an extension
[18:17] <Daniel0108> jermza: why do you want to delete the extensions, do you have a specific reason?
[18:17] <jermza> Just asking, really
[18:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> jermza, do not delete the file type
[18:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> and good luck :)
[18:18] <jermza> I was playing in Pitivi and, when rendering a video, it asked me what to name it.
[18:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> yax51, and you installed anything new?
[18:18] <Daniel0108> jermza: yeah, if you don't have a specific reason to remove the file type, it's better to leave it added
[18:18] <jermza> But when it saved the file, it didn't give the file an extension.
[18:18] <Daniel0108> jermza yeah, some programs do this, gedit does this too
[18:19] <IAmNotThatGuy> yax51, there?
[18:19] <jermza> This is confusing
[18:19] <IAmNotThatGuy> johnny77, I am not with openbox. lemme look at google
[18:20] <jermza> I made a short video clip for a mate.  PitiVi saved the file without an extension.  I want to send it to him, but he has a Windows PC.  How will I know if he can play it or not?
[18:20] <yax51> IAmNotThatGuy: sorry, afk for moment, I did make a 10.10 install disk for my desktop recently
[18:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> no worries yax51 and you used startup disk creator. and can you report the exact screenshot of what you get?
[18:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> !imagebin | yax51
[18:21] <ubot2> yax51: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://tinyurl.com/imagebin and post a link to it.
[18:21] <johnny77> IAmNotThatGuy: I've looked at a few things on google, but don't know enough yet to know if a two+ year old post can still apply.
[18:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> Okies lemme look johnny77
[18:22] <Red-Raven> hey.
[18:24] <jermza> Anyone?
[18:25] <Red-Raven> question please? (im new so i may not be able to help. but shoot away.)
[18:25] <yax51> IAmNotThatGuy: http://imagebin.org/132197
[18:25] <yax51> whats up?
[18:25] <yax51> red-raven: ever et your xp machine working?
[18:25] <Red-Raven> yah.
[18:26] <yax51> yay you!
[18:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> yax51, it will be good if you can tell the name of  the package it stops and shows this error. just see and tell here. no image needed
[18:26] <Red-Raven> its running fine. i installed the Lubuntu environment but im having problems with that.
[18:27] <yax51> IAmNotThatGuy: the package is called evince
[18:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> Grrrrr! Nowai. its just a document viewer :/
[18:28] <Red-Raven> whats it doing?
[18:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> yax51, just uncheck evince and try updating. we all will be here. just do that and report back :]
[18:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> withing that time, I ll hook up the reasons if there is some
[18:30] <Red-Raven_> wtf. stupip out-dated rueter.
[18:30] <Red-Raven_> stupod*
[18:30] <IAmNotThatGuy> Red-Raven_, Language
[18:30] <Red-Raven_> ugh cant spell
[18:30] <yax51> ok, I am unchecking what it seems to be hanging up on, but then it just goes to the next the one and hangs up again.....
[18:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> awwh!
[18:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> then it should be some internal bug. it showed any error at the time of making a maverick disk?
[18:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> I mean 10.10 disk
[18:32] <yax51> no...the disc was good,a nd installed fine on my desktop
[18:33] <yax51> I wonder if I should just go ahead and install maverick anyway......
[18:34] <nit-wit> Red-Raven_, did you get the virtual going?
[18:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> yax51, if you wish to install maverick, then just do it ;)
[18:36] <Red-Raven__> yup. thx! just deciding what ISOs to get now.
[18:36] <yax51> Im thinking that might be a good, gotta stay up to date right ;)
[18:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> (;
[18:37] <Red-Raven__> ugh! freaking machine. actually, i think it might be a driver issue with my parents  ancient pc. its the same as my old XP rig i think.
[18:42] <Red-Raven> so any ideas for some distros to try out?
[18:49] <yax51> so, heres another dumb question, when I do an install of maverick, I will need to wipe this partition and basically re-install any packages I already have right?
[18:51] <yax51> red-raven: you could always try XP :P
[18:52] <yax51> red-raven: I've got a machine that already has in installed for you ;)
[18:56] <Red-Raven> hey. had a near-death experience there. shut down my parents pc (with the rueter) and thought, while it was down, might as well check the hardware for fun. opened it up, found it was the same as my xp rig, closed it a botted it tup. then it freaked and was all like "checking IDE" or whatever. so i shut it down, rebooted again, same thing, so i let it run. apparently, all it wanted me to do was set the date and time.
[18:57] <yax51> thats awesome!
[18:57] <Red-Raven> awesome how?
[19:02] <Red-Raven> hey can i boot the XP off an external HD with a backup of my whole system on it?
[19:19]  * JackyAlcine is now reading trackback.
[19:20] <yax51> Red-Raven: you should be able to, as long as the external HD is bootable....
[19:22] <JackyAlcine> Red-Raven__: use the MBR tool in Windows (you have to download that for WinXp) to make your HDD bootable
[19:22] <Red-Raven__> cool. only problem is, my laptop is 64 bit and the XP is 32. so it couldn't boot off the 64 bit version of win7.
[19:24]  * JackyAlcine is all caught up. ;D
[19:26] <Red-Raven_> back. missed anything since last time i posted.
[19:38] <Red-Raven_> what the crap. this is so irritating.
[19:39] <Red-Raven_> any suggestions for ISOs to try out in virtualbox?
[19:39] <yax51> BSD?
[19:39] <holstein> i want to look at http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xpud
[19:40] <Red-Raven_> looks nice.
[19:41] <Red-Raven_> i can't figure something out though. when i boot up a virtual machine, do i click install or try? it asks me when i boot up my ubuntu virtual machine every time.
[19:42] <holstein> Red-Raven_: you have to eject the fake CD
[19:42] <holstein> its just like a normal machine
[19:42] <holstein> when it boots up
[19:42] <holstein> you have told it to boot the CD
[19:42] <holstein> ad the CD is the image
[19:43] <holstein> the .iso image that is being used as a CD
[19:43] <holstein> so you can either 'eject that cd'
[19:43] <holstein> OR run it live
[19:43] <holstein> OR install it
[19:43] <holstein> whatever you want to do
[19:43] <holstein> i say experiment around
[19:43] <Red-Raven_> so click try and then eject the ISO?
[19:43] <holstein> if you have the hard drive space
[19:44] <holstein> you'll not break the host system
[19:44] <holstein> Red-Raven_: you'll always boot the live CD
[19:44] <holstein> as long as its in the virtual machines fake CD drive
[19:44] <holstein> OR you'll be asked to boot it at least
[19:45] <Red-Raven_> i have the vitual machine set to boot from the ISO. that works, but it will ask me if i want to install or try ubuntu just like a live cd.
[19:45] <holstein> right
[19:45] <holstein> SO you choose
[19:46] <Red-Raven_> but if i click install wont that take up even more HD space?
[19:46] <holstein> Red-Raven_: take up some hard drive space !
[19:46] <holstein> there really cheap now
[19:47] <Red-Raven_> so when i boot it up again, i can just point it towards the install and delete the ISO>
[19:47] <Red-Raven_> ?*
[19:47] <holstein> if you want to delete it
[19:47] <holstein> the vBox contol panel is where you do that
[19:47] <holstein> imagine that the little fake room your fake machines are in
[19:48] <holstein> just go in there, and eject the CD
[19:48] <Red-Raven_> or just right click the icon and delete...
[19:48] <holstein> delete it if you want...
[19:48] <holstein> Red-Raven_: i dont remember what it looks like
[19:48] <Red-Raven_> so once i pick install i dont need the ISO.
[19:48] <holstein> and what all the jagon is
[19:48] <holstein> jargon*
[19:48] <holstein> Red-Raven_: right, just like on your machine now
[19:48] <holstein> its isntalled
[19:49] <holstein> and you dont need the disc anymore
[19:49] <Red-Raven_> ok that makes sense. so it will still take up HD space just like any other OS install would?
[19:50] <holstein> like any other *file would
[19:50] <holstein> as far as your host OS is concerned
[19:50] <holstein> that just a big file it cant read
[19:50] <holstein> .vdk's or something
[19:50] <holstein> i forget te extension
[19:50] <holstein> the*
[19:50] <holstein> to your guest OS, thats its hard drive
[19:51] <Red-Raven_> oh. so then the only real advantage of Vbox is being able to run multiple OSs at once and being able to run them from ISOs?
[19:51] <holstein> nah
[19:51] <holstein> theres all kinds of advantages
[19:51] <holstein> say you have windows installed
[19:51] <holstein> and it gets a virus
[19:51] <holstein> you just revert to a snapshot of when it didnt have a virus
[19:52] <holstein> an old copy of this fake HD
[19:52] <holstein> OR
[19:52] <holstein> you want to have a server running
[19:52] <holstein> ubuntu server
[19:52] <holstein> and you get new hardware
[19:52] <holstein> and want to move it
[19:52] <holstein> you just copy the little fake hard drive
[19:52] <holstein> and take it over to Vbox running on another machine
[19:52] <holstein> the advantage is that its virtual
[19:52] <holstein> and all that that can mean
[19:53] <holstein> and be helpful for your use case
[19:53] <holstein> its handy to boot up iso images without burning CD's
[19:54] <holstein> Red-Raven__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552943/
[19:55] <Red-Raven> right, so you can try them. i think i get it better now. i have a 500GB external i can use for all this stuff.
[19:56] <holstein> right
[19:56] <holstein> and you dont have to mess with GRUB
[19:56] <Red-Raven> ok cool.
[19:56] <holstein> or partition any physical HD
[19:56] <Red-Raven> YES!
[19:56] <holstein> you can totally break everything
[19:57] <holstein> and delete a file
[19:57] <holstein> and life is good
[19:57] <Red-Raven> isn't that the best way to learn? by breaking it?
[19:58] <holstein> its one way ;)
[19:58] <Red-Raven> sweeet. breaking stuff is fun.
[19:58] <holstein> also
[19:58] <holstein> the networking setups in there
[19:58] <holstein> you can have several machines talking to each other
[19:58] <holstein> only to each other
[19:58] <holstein> and really learn some things that way
[19:59] <Red-Raven> ok. so say i wanted my laptop (in ubuntu) and my old XP (running ubuntu aswell) to so that. how would i go about setting them up?
[20:00] <jermza> I plugged my iPhone into the USB and Ubuntu said that it can't mount the phone.  Wha do I do now?
[20:00] <Red-Raven> ah, the eternal battle between iOS devises and Linux.
[20:00] <Red-Raven> devices*
[20:00] <holstein> Red-Raven: exactly the point
[20:00] <holstein> you can install XP and buntu
[20:01] <holstein> in Vbox
[20:01] <holstein> save the states
[20:01] <holstein> and start trying things
[20:01] <holstein> samba
[20:01] <holstein> or whatever
[20:01] <holstein> all kinds of networking experiments
[20:01] <holstein> without breaking your current setups
[20:01] <jermza> So, basically, iPhones don't work on Ubuntu?
[20:02] <holstein> jermza: you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone ?
[20:02] <holstein> iphone may not work *with* ubuntu
[20:02] <Red-Raven> there are ways i think. i've just heard a lot aboutt how iOS devices don't play nice with Linux.
[20:02] <holstein> any drive can be mounted, not sure if apple allows that device to be used that way or not
[20:03] <holstein> seems like there are some packages to try though, if you have not
[20:03] <jermza> I've tried nothing yet.
[20:03] <jermza> I'm a newbie.
[20:04] <holstein> jermza: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone is where i would start then
[20:04] <Red-Raven> so i can just install Vbox on both machines, run the same OS in VB, and then get them talking?
[20:04] <holstein> Red-Raven: on whatever machine youw ant
[20:04] <holstein> you want*
[20:04] <holstein> you install Vbox
[20:04] <holstein> then you install a test case of both XP and buntu
[20:04] <holstein> network them together inside Vbox
[20:04] <holstein> and start hacking away at them
[20:05] <Red-Raven> oh so i only need 1 machine running two OSs?
[20:05] <holstein> thats one way to be sure you're not going to break anything in action
[20:05] <holstein> Red-Raven: you can run as many vitual machines as your hardware will allow
[20:05] <Red-Raven> awesome!
[20:05] <holstein> and on those machines, you can run whatever OS you want
[20:06] <holstein> whatever is compatible*
[20:06] <Red-Raven> i might get away with 2 Vboxs on my 2GB RAM.
[20:07] <Red-Raven> yah but you can't get all ISOs (like OS X)
[20:07] <holstein> well, you probably can
[20:07] <holstein> but im not hopping through any hoop for that
[20:07] <Saygan> has anyone here ever installed WifiDocsDriverbcm43xx on 10.10 without internet access?
[20:07] <holstein> Saygan: i'll need to soon
[20:08] <holstein> can you find the .deb somewhere?
[20:08] <Red-Raven> wait, about the 2 GB RAM or OS X?
[20:08] <Saygan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:09] <holstein> Red-Raven: OSX
[20:09] <Saygan> im following those directions- however- when i type in the directions into the terminal says no such file or directory
[20:09] <Red-Raven> ok
[20:09] <holstein> 2 gigs is plenty
[20:09] <Red-Raven> yah should be able to run two on top of the host.
[20:09]  * holstein looking Saygan
[20:09] <Saygan> thx
[20:10] <holstein> Saygan: but, you did get bcmwl-kernel-source from somewhere?
[20:10] <holstein> and install it?
[20:12] <Saygan> im new to all of this- super noob- so im sort of jumping around trying different things hoping that something will work- as for step 1- it says command not found
[20:12] <holstein> Saygan: you cant hook it up wired?
[20:12] <holstein> temporarily?
[20:13] <Saygan> you mean ethernet cable?
[20:13] <holstein> yup
[20:13] <holstein> thats the *easy way
[20:13] <Saygan> i suppose i could try
[20:13] <holstein> just plug it in
[20:13] <Saygan> tho i dont know if i have the drivers for my ethernet card
[20:14] <holstein> Saygan: only one way to find out :)
[20:14] <Saygan> guess we'll see- gotta go upstairs brb
[20:14] <holstein> Saygan:
[20:14] <Saygan> aye?
[20:14] <holstein> additional drivers is what you'll be looking for
[20:15] <holstein> system - addministration - additional drivers
[20:15] <Saygan> yup i know where to find it
[20:15] <holstein> IF you are not prompted auto-magically
[20:15] <holstein> Saygan: COOL
[20:15] <Saygan> I'll check it out once i hook it up- going now
[20:15] <Red-Raven> is there a way to use Ubuntu (not the sever version, just 10.10) as a server? or do you need server edition?
[20:15] <Saygan> auto-magically..haha i like that
[20:15] <holstein> hehe
[20:15] <holstein> Red-Raven: you can run servers on the desktop version
[20:16] <holstein> you can install the server version
[20:16] <holstein> and install gnome on top of it
[20:16] <holstein> or whatever
[20:16] <holstein> ubuntuserver = ubuntu
[20:16] <holstein> all the same packages
[20:16] <Red-Raven> ok but to make like a server that i could access anywhere, i would need server edition?
[20:17] <holstein> Red-Raven: you can do whatever you want
[20:17] <Red-Raven> oh so server edition is just ubuntu without the GUI?
[20:17] <holstein> all the same packages are at your disposal
[20:17] <holstein> Red-Raven: bacially
[20:17] <holstein> bascially*
[20:17] <Red-Raven> awsome! i could leave it running all the time and use it like a cloud!
[20:17] <holstein> sure
[20:18] <Red-Raven> OMG.....i just pooped my pants.....
[20:18] <Red-Raven> (little exageration lol)
[20:19] <Red-Raven> i have got to try that. and as long as its running and im on wifi, i can connect to it anywhere?
[20:19] <holstein> sure
[20:19] <holstein> connecting safely is the trick
[20:20] <Red-Raven> so others dont break in to your server?
[20:20] <holstein> right
[20:20] <Red-Raven> oh.....why not just use a password?
[20:21] <holstein> you'll need to read about all that
[20:21] <holstein> do what you're comfortable with
[20:21] <Red-Raven> ok i will.
[20:21] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[20:21] <holstein> start there
[20:21] <holstein> maybe run something locally
[20:21] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[20:22] <Red-Raven> but unlesss they were a fellow techy with a personal vendata against me, why break into my server?
[20:22] <JackyAlcine> Hey ShootEmUp :D
[20:22] <Saygan> holstein- i owe you a truckload of cookies- the delicious kind
[20:22] <holstein> Saygan: :)
[20:22] <holstein> good news
[20:23] <holstein> i still have to get those packages and do it without internet access at an install fest soon
[20:23] <holstein> Saygan: so i appreciate that link you dropped :)
[20:23] <Saygan> good luck
[20:23] <ShootEmUp> Hey JackyAlcine, holstein, and Red-Raven
[20:23] <Saygan> np
[20:23] <Saygan> another guy from here sent it to me last night
[20:23] <Red-Raven> hey shootemup!
[20:23] <holstein> Red-Raven: might be a bot
[20:23] <holstein> hacking you
[20:23] <holstein> then what...
[20:24] <ShootEmUp> Red-Raven, whats your problem?
[20:24] <Red-Raven> im toast.
[20:24] <holstein> no bots yet ShootEmUp
[20:24] <ShootEmUp> why?
[20:24] <Red-Raven> nothing suprisingly.
[20:24] <holstein> just in theory *
[20:24] <holstein> talking about remote access to home
[20:25] <Red-Raven> im considering turning my ol XP into a personal server. but apparently its the personal part that will be difficult.
[20:25] <holstein> put ubuntu server on it
[20:25] <ShootEmUp> why?
[20:25] <ShootEmUp> Red-Raven, why?
[20:25] <holstein> OR something like http://freenas.org/FreeNAS
[20:25] <Red-Raven> fun?
[20:25] <holstein> food...
[20:25] <Red-Raven> and its just cool.
[20:27] <ShootEmUp> I ment why is the personal par thard?
[20:29] <ShootEmUp> Red-Raven_, disconnect issues?
[20:30] <Red-Raven_> yah.
[20:30] <ShootEmUp> happens
[20:31] <Red-Raven_> bad drivers or something on the ruter's side.
[20:31] <Red-Raven_> old pc to.
[20:31] <Red-Raven_> what is BSD's speciality?
[20:50] <Red-Raven_> anyone know what BSD specializes in?
[20:51] <holstein> lol
[20:52] <Red-Raven_> ?
[20:52] <holstein> Red-Raven_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution
[20:52] <Red-Raven_> i swear i was just there...
[20:55] <Red-Raven_> oh ok. it was under the "technology" part. so its designed to be a sandbox kind of thing for people who want to make there own apps?
[22:04] <Red-Raven_> anyone have a basic guide on setting up a home server on ubuntu 10.10? (Not server edition)
[22:06] <CensoredBiscuit> umm hello Red-Raven_
[22:06] <CensoredBiscuit> what are you wanting this server to do?
[22:06] <Red-Raven_> hello.
[22:07] <Red-Raven_> i just want it to act like a basic cloud for my house. ill venture into mating it out of the house, adding virtual machines, and all that stuff later. i just want to try it in home.
[22:07] <Red-Raven_> getting*
[22:08] <ChrisDruif> And what should this "cloud" do for you? Hold back-ups of all your machines? Run a few other background apps?
[22:10] <Red-Raven_> for the moment, just make its files (text docs, pics, etc) available to the house. not enough HD space for backups. im not sure what you mean with background apps
[22:10] <ChrisDruif> Running a bittorrent client and what not :)
[22:11] <Red-Raven_> oh ok.
[22:11] <Red-Raven_> but yah, for now just that basic stuff.
[22:12] <Voidoath> Finally!
[22:12] <Voidoath> I'm in the chatroom...
[22:12] <Red-Raven_> YAY! (why are we chearing???)
[22:12] <ChrisDruif> Good going Voidoath :)
[22:14] <ChrisDruif> You might like this Red-Raven_: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/network-file-system.html
[22:16] <Red-Raven_> cool thx! is it the same as setting up a server though?
[22:18] <Voidoath> If I need help with a guide will you read the (short) guide or should I explain the problems as I go?
[22:18] <ChrisDruif> I don't really know, I haven't tried it yet...however on a server you can install a desktop :)
[22:27] <Red-Raven_> i have an old 10 GB internal HDD from a historically old gatway. any suggestions besides putting it in another computer? (something useful. im not smashing it for fun)
[22:28] <JackyAlcine> Red-Raven_: Yup, just use it as swap
[22:28] <Red-Raven_> slow much?
[22:29] <JackyAlcine> Red-Raven_: Hm, backup for photos?
[22:30] <Red-Raven_> why not. ill put it in, figue out what to do with it. thhing is, the way my pc is set up, i have to put it into an old CD bay, so it will be very loose.
[22:30] <Red-Raven_> but why not? im doing it.
[22:32] <JackyAlcine> Cool. I need to get me a tower.
[22:32] <JackyAlcine> My rig's a laptop connected to a CRT because I broke the LCD. >_<
[22:32] <johnny77> does anyone know how to get the screen saver to work in an Openbox session or at least turn off the screen?
[22:33] <Red-Raven_> its LOUD. theyre fun for learning hardware and stuff.
[22:34] <JackyAlcine> your tower? Or the drive
[22:34] <Red-Raven_> the tower.
[22:46] <Red-Raven_> no way am i putting this hard drive in my rig. switched it on, its the oudest, most annoying thing ive every heard!
[23:01] <Red-Raven_> how do i make Gparted see this old HDD?
[23:03] <ChrisDruif> Red-Raven_: Is it mounted?
[23:03] <Red-Raven_> guess not.
[23:03] <Red-Raven_> its old though. it has win98 on it i beleive.
[23:03] <ChrisDruif> I don't know :P Can you see it in Nautilus?
[23:04] <Red-Raven_> doesn't look like it,
[23:05] <ChrisDruif> Which Ubuntu are you running atm?
[23:05] <Red-Raven_> it shows a "file system" and "21 Gb file system". the 21 is definatly the XP partition. the other might be the linux side.
[23:05] <Red-Raven_> ubuntu 10.10
[23:06] <ChrisDruif> On the top you've got places...do you see the drive there?
[23:06] <Red-Raven_> just see the 21GB there.
[23:07] <Red-Raven_> i went to computer and i found the full 80 GB system (my HDD) and "file system" again. i think that's it.
[23:08] <ChrisDruif> Well...then GParted should see the drive...HOWEVER :P You have to switch to the correct drive (I know, XP system makes more sense (showing all partitions))
[23:08] <ChrisDruif> In the top right you'll see the system's drive...
[23:08] <Red-Raven_> i don't think thats itnow. i found a file in it called GRUB. Linux never touched that HDD, so its probably the linux partition of my HDD>
[23:09] <Red-Raven_> .*
[23:09] <johnny77> I'm told to add a command to "~/.xinitrc", but I can't find it. Would it be ok just to create it?
[23:10] <Red-Raven_> yah i see that, but i click and the only option is my 80 GB HDD.
[23:10] <Red-Raven_> should i try booting from that HDD maybe?
[23:11] <ChrisDruif> In that "Filesystem" you've mentioned....does it show an eject icon next to it?
[23:12] <Red-Raven_> no. and now im sure it the linux partition.
[23:13] <ChrisDruif> Maybe it just shows it's there and not mounted?
[23:13] <Red-Raven_> no. the 10GB HDD im trying to use is no where in here.
[23:15] <ChrisDruif> Then I don't know...
[23:15] <ChrisDruif> johnny77: Maybe you should try #lubuntu...they've got more experience with OpenBox :)
[23:16] <Red-Raven_> ill search around.
[23:18] <Red-Raven_> crap. rebooted, got a secondary hard disk drive 0 failure.
[23:18] <ChrisDruif> Alright...
[23:18] <Red-Raven_> yah....probably NOT good....
[23:18] <ChrisDruif> Indeed...
[23:20] <Red-Raven_> and now my F# keys dont work....
[23:21] <ChrisDruif> That's also not cool...
[23:21] <Red-Raven_> any way to just wipe it without all this?
[23:22] <ChrisDruif> I don't know...sorry
[23:22] <ChrisDruif> Really tired and a tiny bit sick...
[23:22] <Red-Raven_> sok.
[23:23] <ChrisDruif> Also it's past midnigt here :P
[23:24] <Red-Raven_> oh. where are you?
[23:24] <ChrisDruif> Holland :)
[23:24] <ChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisDruif
[23:26] <Red-Raven_> oh cool! im in america. its...boaring.
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> What, America?
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> Or my wiki?
[23:26] <Red-Raven_> america.
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> Why so?
[23:26] <Red-Raven_> well, at least, Florida is anyways.
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> Your in Florida? =-O
[23:27] <Red-Raven_> all we have is beaches, palm trees, and retires/snow birds.
[23:27] <ChrisDruif> I would love that :D Being able to surf each day  :D
[23:28] <Red-Raven_> you would think you could, but the water actually gets bitter cold in the winter.
[23:29] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, but still better surfing water then in Holland...
[23:30] <ChrisDruif> Biggest waves are about 1m (3ft?)
[23:30] <Red-Raven_> hm. well, i can't surf.
[23:31] <ChrisDruif> I would need to learn it...but when there's a will, there's a way :)
[23:32] <Red-Raven_> yah. i really don't have time though. Honors and AP classes in high school :P