[02:30] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:31] <Ussat> o/
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> hey Ussat
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> bug #1754284 usefull for main adding it to the discuss team LP
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:38] <ducasse> good morning
[11:58] <lotus|NUC> !info thermald bionic
[12:36] <RikMills> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2020-February/004893.html
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> tnx RikMills
[12:37] <RikMills> some flavours still need testing. could also be an installer bug on i386 side by side installs that release team is having trouble reproducing
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> !info qbittorrent eoan
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: Again... I don't suggest things without knowing what the other person is attempting to do. HWE does carry some expectation of the end user knowing what they are doing and the potential risks involved
[17:35] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: since the latest ISO's of Ubuntu include the hwe kernel by default, there's no expectation of required knowledge on the users part to run said kernel
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> I wasn't aware that 18.04 was coming with HWE enabled by default
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> in the respun ISOs
[17:43] <TJ-> that's what the point releases are for
[17:45] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: I'm running the latest point release and my machine is still on the 4.15... so the point releases don't automatically install the HWE?
[17:46] <ducasse> they do if you install from a point release iso
[17:46] <TJ-> ^^^
[17:47] <pragmaticenigma> Interesting... why doesn't the point releases also trigger the install?
[17:59] <RikMills> on any already installed system, hwe stack upgrades must be an 'opt in'
[18:00] <daftykins> pragmaticenigma: .2 and later always come with the HWE by default in desktop images
[18:00] <daftykins> i always install from .1 media so i stick to the LTS kernels for both server and desktop (i know in server images you have to select HWE now, so that's nice)
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> good information


[11:04] <benonsoftware> Hi, I'm just wondering how much longer Launchpad will be in read-only mode?
[11:07] <cjwatson> benonsoftware: it doesn't seem to be in read-only mode ...
[11:09] <benonsoftware> cjwatson: Every time I change someone I get lp is in read-only mode and an OOPS
[11:10] <benonsoftware> Last one was OOPS ID: OOPS-583523795bd64e1dae9a6e336153e061
[11:13] <cjwatson> benonsoftware: That indicates that login.ubuntu.com is in RO mode, not LP
[11:14] <benonsoftware> Ah, alrighty then.
[11:14] <cjwatson> I forget the public channel name for that
[11:17] <cjwatson> Some chatter on internal channels about this - it has sysadmin attention at least
[11:26] <cjwatson> benonsoftware: I'm told it should be back to normal now
[11:37] <benonsoftware> Thanks for that cjwatson
[12:20] <czajkowski> benonsoftware: it's #canonical-sysadmin on freenode
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, any chance of having some extra space in https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/?
[16:36] <tsimpson> chrisccoulson: you should probably request the be quota raised via https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> tsimpson, yeah, was hoping someone would just see the request here. it's kind of urgent
[18:50] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: not at this hour of the day
[18:50] <czajkowski> unless via ops
[21:12] <semiosis> hi there.  my launchpad.net karma doesnt count any PPA uploads in the last year, since Jan '13.  did something change so PPA uploads no longer add karma?
[21:15] <dobey> no
[21:22] <semiosis> dobey: thx.  any idea why none of my ppa uploads since jan '13 are listed?  https://launchpad.net/~semiosis/+karma
[21:23] <TheLordOfTime> About PPAs, if I upload the same source package version with different changelog entries and versions (such as package 1.0~precise0, 1.0~quantal0, etc.), does the PPA system read that as one source package for the entire PPA, and not, say, 5 or 6 separate source packages (for the purpose of the calculatin of the number of source packages in the PPA listed on the package info page)
[21:24] <semiosis> TheLordOfTime: each is separate afaict, see https://launchpad.net/~semiosis/+archive/ubuntu-glusterfs-3.4/+packages for example
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> semiosis: whoops i misspoke
[21:25] <dobey> semiosis: https://launchpad.net/~semiosis/+related-packages says you haven't uploaded anything in a year
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> i meant for the size calculation in reference to the source packages
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> (25.7MiB is the size of this source package, and I have 5 separate versions, and it says 5 source packages but only 25.7MiB)
[21:25] <semiosis> dobey: interesting!  i've been uploading regularly
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> (which is the size of the one source package)
[21:26] <dobey> though it also only shows the first 10
[21:26] <dobey> but appears to sort newest first
[21:26] <dobey> but that could be broken
[21:27] <semiosis> dobey: compare https://launchpad.net/~semiosis/+ppa-packages with https://launchpad.net/~semiosis/+archive/ubuntu-glusterfs-3.4/+packages (a ppa i just updated on Friday)
[21:27] <semiosis> clearly uploads are not being counted.  any idea why?
[21:28] <dobey> semiosis: you used an e-mail address that's linked to your launchpad account, in the debian/changelog
[21:28] <semiosis> dobey: oh wow
[21:28] <dobey> err
[21:28] <dobey> that's not linked, rather
[21:28]  * dobey is apparently a terrible typer today
[21:30] <semiosis> dobey: thanks, you solved it!
[21:30] <semiosis> now maybe my karma will be back in the triple digits lol
[21:31] <dobey> and just as useless as it was a year ago :)
[21:32] <semiosis> haha
[21:33] <dobey> mine was over 30K at one point. but have automated a lot of what i was doing since then
[21:43] <semiosis> that and $3 will get you a small coffee
[21:44] <semiosis> but it's still fun to see the number go up
[22:17] <TheLordOfTime> the PPA system won't email on a build succeeded right?
[22:25] <dobey> TheLordOfTime: not after the accepted mail, right
[22:28] <semiosis> TheLordOfTime: thought i said this earlier but looks like i didnt... launchpad will only keep one copy of a file, so you might have several "source packages" with different patch versions all sharing the same orig.tar.gz file, which explains the size you described
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> semiosis: ah, that's what I thought, thanks for looking into that
[22:32] <semiosis> yw
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> dobey: okay, thought so.  On what build state(s) does the system email on
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> i know FTBFS and Chroot problems (old maverick emails stating as such)
[22:33] <dobey> only on failures
[22:38] <TheLordOfTime> dobey: so only on FTBFS, and failure-by-chroot-problem?
[22:38] <wgrant> Failed to build, Failed to upload, and Chroot problem.
[22:39] <dobey> right. on failures :)
[22:39] <dobey> failed to upload e-mails are from recipes. regular dput will get an accept or reject (or no) mail
[22:40] <wgrant> Failed to upload can occur for binaries too.
[22:40] <wgrant> But it's rare unless you're doing strange things with versions.
[22:40] <dobey> oh, right


[01:40] <doctormo> http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/ubuntu-classes-poster/ <- revision 5
[02:23] <Vantrax> nice
[16:38] <pleia2> Vantrax: thank you :) (/me catches up on -news-team)
[20:27] <bobishh> anybody read me ?
[20:28] <pleia2> hello
[20:29] <dinda> pleia2: you scared them away!  ;)
[20:29] <pleia2> well, I am pretty scary :)
[20:29] <pleia2> it's the "2"
[20:36] <dinda> pleia2: did you see the notice for CC nominations?
[20:36] <dinda> was hoping elky might have time this go round
[20:36] <pleia2> dinda: yep
[20:37] <dinda> pleia2: what about yourself?
[20:37] <pleia2> dinda: a couple people were kind enough to nominate me :)
[20:43] <bobishh> hi there. i've got a small question - what should i do to make a daemon to load at startup in ubuntu ? *sorry for poor english
[23:16] <Vantrax> I think elky is a little tied up with linux aus


[02:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:54] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[05:59] <oxfuxxx> heya.
[06:00] <oxfuxxx> any pepsi drinks in y0ur storage room marco?
[06:00] <marcoagpinto> nope... zero
[06:01] <marcoagpinto> in 2:30 hours I will go to the store
[06:02] <oxfuxxx> Cool.
[06:02] <oxfuxxx> What shop mall? i wonder their names in portugal?
[06:03] <oxfuxxx> Carrefour? Casino? Auchan? Lidl? got any of them down there?
[06:03] <oxfuxxx> maybe hypercity! lulz.
[06:04] <marcoagpinto> yes, most of them
[06:05] <oxfuxxx> UbuntuMarket :]
[06:06] <oxfuxxx> I got a refurbished phone, the good thing us that i can change battery.
[06:06] <oxfuxxx> and i gotta change it.
[06:07] <oxfuxxx> LG phone, old android, maybe i should try to see if i can upgrade.
[06:08] <marcoagpinto> I wanted to buy a Sony Xperia 10 iii, but it costs 400 EUR
[06:09] <marcoagpinto> so, I ordered the model below, Xperia L4 for 199 EUR, but it is out of stock
[06:09] <marcoagpinto> I already have the cables, microsdcard and containers
[06:09] <marcoagpinto> I just need the phone now
[06:10] <marcoagpinto> I could bet that my generated VISA card will expire and no phone :(
[06:11] <marcoagpinto> if it expires, I will have to buy the 400 EUR one which is in stock at Amazon
[06:16] <oxfuxxx> i bought mine 2000 pesos.
[06:16] <oxfuxxx> anyway your previous phone was a sony too?
[06:17] <oxfuxxx> i had an old sony borrowed from a friend, but it died out.
[06:17] <oxfuxxx> ericson.
[06:17] <oxfuxxx> very old android.
[06:44] <marcoagpinto> yes
[06:44] <marcoagpinto> :)
[06:44] <marcoagpinto> first Ericson, then Sony Ericson and now Sony
[06:58] <oxfuxxx> Suny phunz :]
[06:59] <oxfuxxx> There was suny cumputers, but they stopped manufacturing the vaio line.
[06:59] <oxfuxxx> laptops.
[06:59] <oxfuxxx> no more sony computers afaik, just phones.
[06:59] <oxfuxxx> and consoles ofc.
[07:08] <ducasse> good morning
[07:19] <mannequin> good morning
[09:27] <memoi> hi
[09:27] <memoi> alguien vivo?
[09:30] <mannequin> this is my blog site if anyone is interested: https://vlepy.github.io/
[09:49] <amacater_> memoi: Si, estamos aqui pero en este canal, nos hablamos ingles :)
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> you seem to develop a lot of issues on ubuntu mannequin
[16:07] <mannequin> i come from debian
[16:07] <mannequin> it was all tip-top over there
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> im sure if you can run debian nicely, you would run ubuntu nicely too
[16:13] <mannequin> anyways, coffee time
[16:23] <mannequin> lotuspsychje: hey, this is my blog, you might want to have a look https://vlepy.github.io/
[16:26] <ELQEYNN> Was the ubunto distro first developed in South Africa?
[16:27] <mannequin> :(
[16:28] <ELQEYNN> Does the word "ubuntu" mean something in he Zulu language?
[16:29] <mannequin> humanity for everyone
[16:33] <ELQEYNN> a good indication that the ubuntu distribution was developed in South Africa by Zulus
[16:33] <mannequin> no
[16:34] <mannequin> it was sponsored by mark shuttleworth
[16:34] <amacater_> Sponsored by Mark Shuttleworth, proud S. African and cosmonaut.
[16:34] <oerheks> mark was already a KDE patron, when he started ubuntu
[16:35] <ELQEYNN> Is Mark of Zulu extraction?
[16:36] <mannequin> i remember when they were shipping cds
[16:36] <amacater_> and a Debian developer. Ubuntu: compassion, humanity, fellow feeling - "I am because you are"
[16:36] <mannequin> i had a bunch of 7.04 and 7.10
[16:36] <mannequin> and stickers
[16:36] <mannequin> that was cool
[16:36] <amacater_> I remember Ubuntu 5.04 aka "Debian for desktops" when Ubuntu had been a stealth project
[16:36] <mannequin> then you seen more linux than me
[16:37] <mannequin> i started with ubuntu 7.04
[16:38] <amacater_> Ubuntu is also referenced in referring to Desmond Tutu's pastoral attitude in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in .za
[16:39] <ELQEYNN> So, Desmond Tutu was an avid Linus user?
[16:40] <ELQEYNN> Was Desmond Tutu was an avid Linux user?
[16:40] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: what are you going on about exactly?
[16:42] <ELQEYNN> Many believe in American exceptionalism. So it's interesting that an important computer development occurred in South Africa.
[16:42] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: ok?
[16:43] <leftyfb> ELQEYNN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu go to town
[16:43] <oerheks> american exceptionalism ... dream on
[16:44] <mannequin> ELQEYNN: south afrika has many whites
[16:46] <mannequin> maybe you guys want to get familiar with my blog https://vlepy.github.io/
[16:46] <leftyfb> mannequin: you already posted that
[16:46] <mannequin> ah sorry
[16:47] <mannequin> i'm also @ offtopic so i got confused
[16:48] <amacater_> Mark Shuttleworth as millionaire philanthropist knew about Ubuntu: the best quotations to explain the philosophy behind the choice of name are probably those of Desmond Tutu referenced here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_philosophy
[20:10] <leftyfb> ducasse: technically 21.04 is supported for another 17 days. Something I just realized so I was attempting to provide some help. But as usual, nothing but refusal and lies
[20:11] <ducasse> he's been doing this since this morning
[20:11] <ducasse> he didn't follow instructions then either
[20:12] <leftyfb> it would be nice if we had ops that were ever around
[20:13] <ducasse> true
[20:13] <ducasse> i'm just going to ignore him until he calms down
[20:13] <daftykins> it would cease to be #ubuntu then
[20:13] <daftykins> ;)
[20:14] <leftyfb> ducasse: they're never going to calm down and/or lose the attitude. They'll come back in X hours with the same amount of refusal and attitude
[21:08] <Bashing-om> UWN: This week's production now available: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue716 :D
[21:15] <nicoz-> ;)


[23:01] <minasota> anyone here ever tried kali linux?
[23:15] <Unit193> Hah, I had an Xfce respin at one point.


[00:01] <Mirv> thomi: 1.3daily13.05.03ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1
[00:01] <thomi> Mirv: that seems legit
[00:01] <thomi> Mirv: what are you trying to run?
[00:02] <Mirv> I must be on the right track.. ssh:d into the nexus4, autopilot run phone_app
[00:02] <Mirv> (phablet-test-run from desktop-to-nexus same result)
[00:02] <Mirv> python import error on QtIntrospectionTestMixin
[00:06] <thomi> Mirv: you need om26er's branch
[00:06] <thomi> Mirv: which makes the tests compatible with autopilot 1.3
[00:07] <thomi> Mirv: He needs to merge those into trunk ASAP, but he's on a plane, so...
[00:07] <Mirv> ah, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/phone-app/port_autopilot_1.3 and so on
[00:07] <thomi> that sounds correct
[00:08] <Mirv> good to bookmark, I can check how to port tests
[00:08] <thomi> Mirv: right - there's also a porting guide in the autopilot docs, although those are not quite uploaded to unity.ubuntu.com yet, but check out /usr/share/doc/python-autopilot/
[00:08] <Mirv> thomi: ok, thanks
[00:11] <thomi> Mirv: any issues, let me know, although I'll be on a plane soon too
[00:11] <thomi> email, I guess
[00:14] <Mirv> thomi: yeah, sleep would be good, I'll investigate later
[00:14] <thomi> amen
[00:14] <Mirv> I started porting a bit by hand just to see what happens
[15:38] <smspillaz> slangasek: see my comments on the cherry-pick MR
[15:39] <smspillaz> it *might* be correct, however the unreverted bits about the staticgravity handling in placement code are not
[17:59] <mzanetti> Saviq: around?
[21:56] <maxb> Has something changed recently (and by recently I mean post raring release) to cause Unity to start intercepting touchpad triple-click for "open dash" ?
[21:57] <maxb> I used to have it set up as a middle click, but somehow its behaviour has changed
[21:58] <maxb> Bafflingly the behaviour has changed back without me doing anything right now :-/


[15:57] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I have packaged the new version of calf plugins (that came out in November and everyone seems to have abandoned). It was requested by the developer that I use the latest git version since it fixes a bug that would cause DAWs such as ardour and qtractor to crash.
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> But... lintian keeps yelling at me about the changelog version not being higher. >:(
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> False positive perhaps? https://launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/
[16:20] <OvenWerks> I believe -controls is still waiting for release too.
[16:46] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: If you're around, perhaps you could take a look (if you want)? ^
[18:12] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I would disagree that packaging a new upstream Git snapshot is good practice unless there are patches you can not cherry-pick.
[18:13] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Have you talked with the Debian Multimedia Team at all?
[18:13] <tsimonq2> Ideally it should go through Debian.
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I have not, but somebody else filed a bug against the Debian package and there has been no response.
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> Additionally, all patches in the git version are required to fix the crashing per the developer.
[18:19] <Eickmeyer> If nothing else, this should go into Universe. It would be nice to push it upstream to Debian, but as you alluded, a git snapshot wouldn't fly there. The developer fears that 0.90.1 won't be ready in time.
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=901705
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> I suppose for Debian's purposes I could go with the official 0.90.0 version, but the developer seems to be against this.
[18:31] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: calf?
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Yes. It's a set of audio effects and instrument plugins.
[18:32] <cyphermox> you absolutely can take a snapshot if that's what you really want
[18:32] <cyphermox> it's just that snapshots are often not a good idea because unstability, bugs, etc.
[18:32] <cyphermox> it depends on the project itself, if they release often, etc.
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> The developer wants a snapshot to fix a major bug causing other software to crash.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> They don't release often. The latest release was in November and it was their first in over 2 years.
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> However, there were a number of bugs that, until recently, broke stuff.
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> They don't think the next release (0.90.1) will be ready by October.
[18:35] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: if you're okay with the bugs that might introduce; that's fine.
[18:36] <cyphermox> because, well, you'll be stuck with the bugs, since it's mostly a package that only ubuntustudio uses
[18:37] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: so; can you fix the packaging such that you're pulling a snapshot for the upstream code and keeping the debian packaging?
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: That's exactly what I'm doing. My pull is set to the github repo, and my push is set to my PPA currently.
[18:38] <cyphermox> the version number looks odd for that
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> How so?
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> My pull from github treats it as a branch merge.
[18:39] <cyphermox> ah, nevermind, I got confused by the makeup of it
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> So, I can update as bug fixes happen.
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> If I get bug reports, I'll throw them upstream unless it's a packaging issue.
[18:40] <cyphermox> wait, no, the packaging is wrong
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> What do I need to do?
[18:41] <cyphermox> how did you get the snapshot in the first place?
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> Pulled from the calf developer's github repo, added and tweaked the official /debian directory from the old version.
[18:42] <cyphermox> the issue is that you have both the source and the debian/ directory in the same tarball right now; that's usually wrong (but not always), and certainly deviates from how things were
[18:42] <cyphermox> ok
[18:42] <cyphermox> but generating the tarball?
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> The source in git does not contain a /debian directory.
[18:42] <cyphermox> right
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> Launchpad is generating the tarball. I push to https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/calf and autobuild.
[18:44] <cyphermox> ah, I see
[18:45] <cyphermox> right, you don't really want to go git add things to the upstream repo like that, it does confuse LP recipes
[18:46] <Eickmeyer> That's why I'm not adding to the upstream repo, I'm just adding the /debian directory locally and pushing to the lp:~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/calf repo.
[18:47] <Eickmeyer> Additonally, I can cherry pick patches easily by pulling and checking the last commit.
[18:47] <cyphermox> well, to LP with your current recipe, this is equivalent to it being straight in the upstream repo
[18:48] <cyphermox> you could do this by keeping your debian/ directory in a separate branch or tree, and then compositing from the recipe
[18:48] <cyphermox> ie: "merge fix-build lp:~bzr/bzr/fix-build"
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> I tried that, it didn't work too well for a different package since it required modifications to the makefile as well. This was easier, but I see what you're saying. It is possible with this since it didn't require any modification to the source, just the /debian directory.
[18:51] <cyphermox> such that say, your current tree is your debian/ stuff (as-is, doesn't need to change), and you have an untouched git source repo, then you can use the untouched git repo as the original code, add the merge command, etc
[18:51] <cyphermox> even if it requires modifications to the source
[18:51] <cyphermox> then you should use patches to handle this :)
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> I see.
[18:51] <cyphermox> otherwise, you might want to look at git-dpm; which can let you do all this, at the cost of a slightly more complicated way of patching the source
[18:52] <cyphermox> https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit/GitDpm
[18:52] <cyphermox> ^ that's what we use for grub2, but it *is* a bit complex, and people often get tripped up -- I certainly did at the beginning
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> I'm trying to figure out how I'd create patches from the upstream git repo in my head right now.
[18:53] <cyphermox> so; to simplify; what I'm looking for to sponsor would be a source package where you have the pristine upstream source in one tarball, and the debian stuff in a separate tarball (with the patches there if you need to change the upstream code -- use quilt if possible)
[18:53] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: create patches from the upstream git?
[18:54] <cyphermox> you mean for stuff that you need to change for your build, or for cherry-picking?
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> Sure. So, for instance, a bug gets fixed upstream based on a bug report received on launchpad, how would I get those fixes downstream?
[18:55] <cyphermox> you have two options
[18:55] <cyphermox> if you use snapshots, and want all the commits from upstream, you can take a new snapshot
[18:55] <cyphermox> otherwise you can pick individual commits and turn them into patches under debian/patches
[18:56] <cyphermox> (I gave a class some years ago about how to do this, I'll look that up for you)
[18:57] <cyphermox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1201/IncorporatingUpstreamChanges
[18:57] <cyphermox> actually, you have a third option, convince upstream to make a release and upload that :)
[18:59] <Eickmeyer> I might do that as well. But, if you want me to change to a tarball + merge /debian directory, I guess i need to work on that.
[19:00] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: and I can share scripts I have used in the past to take snapshots for NetworkManager, with great results
[19:00] <cyphermox> with that you could create the tarball, copy just debian/ from wherever you have it in, and make sure the version number is correct (my scripts tell you what it should be) and you can upload
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> Looks like I need to make a "calf-packaging" repo with just debian/.
[19:02] <cyphermox> I use ~/bin/generate-git-source-version: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WNrSb4MpqW/
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> Okay, so that just generates the tarball?
[19:03] <cyphermox> and ~/bin/git-make-snapshot (which calls the previous script): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3bPKqv98Jp/
[19:03] <cyphermox> pretty much
[19:04] <cyphermox> it gets you the tarball with the upstream repo, and the right version number for a snapshot (whether it needs a ~ or + and the hash of the commit, etc.)
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Okay.  Since I've been using a simple "git push", how do I upload to LP?
[19:05] <cyphermox> you have a gpg key in LP?
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[19:06] <cyphermox> you can use "dput" to upload straight to a PPA
[19:06] <cyphermox> ie. dput ppa:eickmeyer/ppa  file.changes
[19:07] <cyphermox> that means you need the .changes file
[19:07] <cyphermox> which you build with "debuild -S", or "gbp buildpackage -S", depending on how you keep the packaging
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> Yes, but what about the initial tarball to combine with the packaging source with the recipe?
[19:08] <cyphermox> I'm not sure I follow what you mean by that?
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> So, the initial git snapshot would be a tarball, correct?
[19:08] <cyphermox> yep
[19:09] <cyphermox> you want the tarball in a directory, then extract it to make calf-(version) in that directory, copy debian/ inside
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> So, that needs to get to launchpad for the recipe to make it with a merge of the packaging source I upload separately, correct?
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> OIC
[19:09] <cyphermox> then running 'debuild -S' should get you the other files you need
[19:09] <cyphermox> it makes no use of a recipe whatsoever
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> So, you're saying I need to do all the packaging locally?
[19:10] <cyphermox> not necessarily
[19:10] <cyphermox> I was getting you through the steps to do things locally, manually, because it's the basis for how it works in general :)
[19:11] <cyphermox> if you want to use a recipe in LP, it's as you pointed it out -- you want a repo for the debian packaging, and a repo for the upstream code
[19:11] <cyphermox> then the recipe combines all that, and generates the source package that it uploads
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's what I was alluding to. :)
[19:11] <cyphermox> using that, I think you also need some small extra bits in debian/ to make it work correctly
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> Well, I think I got those extra bits otherwise it wouldn't have built using the recipe I used. All I'd be doing is taking the /debian package out of what I've got and put it in a separate repo, right?
[19:13] <cyphermox> it would have built, just exactly the way it's built right now
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> I mean, as a first step.
[19:13] <cyphermox> which is incorrect -- it creates a native pacakge, with both the debian/ and upstream stuff together in the same tarball
[19:13] <cyphermox> lemme think about it for a second
[19:14] <cyphermox> maybe what I'd start with to get you working with the recipe again would be to begin with http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.import.new.upstream.html
[19:15] <cyphermox> so; generating the tarball from upstream, then 'gbp import-orig $file'
[19:16] <cyphermox> or http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.import.convert.html  if you want to do things from the repo you already have
[19:17] <cyphermox> that might be even easier, you can git checkout -b from a commit to get the upstream branch, and keep the other one for your packaging -- you'll want to read more on it
[19:19] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: I see the debian git repo is already in the right format for git-buildpackage
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's good.
[19:20] <cyphermox> that means if you start from https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/calf.git; you could then load the snapshot (after creating the tarball, however you prefer to do it) with 'gbp import-orig $file'
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: There were a number of issues with the rules file that I had to fix, so that wouldn't work very well.
[19:20] <cyphermox> it'll update all the upstream files (everything but debian/) to what ti should be, then you can commit any changes you need on top of that
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> Okay, I see.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> Trying to wrap my head around this.
[19:21] <cyphermox> there's no way around it being a bit of work
[19:22] <cyphermox> but that'll get you a package I or any other ubuntu developer would be happy to upload, and you'll also easily be able to send patches to debian :)
[19:23] <cyphermox> I know it's like drinking from the firehose right now :)
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I'm just trying to create the "calf-packaging" repo at the moment for the sake of the stuff I've done.
[19:26] <cyphermox> I thought you already had that for the recipes
[19:27] <cyphermox> hm. cooking smells upstairs mean I should probably go check on the dinner.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Just pushed my packaging code: https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/calf-packaging
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> I'll see if I can get the upstream tarballed and then push patches into my packaging.
[19:32] <cyphermox> ok
[19:33] <cyphermox> why do you need patches in your packaging right now?
[19:33] <cyphermox> I'm afraid we might have had a misunderstanding
[19:38] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: I'm thinking all you need is the upstream tarball right now; because then you can take the git tree from debian, run gbp import-orig with the tarball; and finally copy over your debian/ directory and you'll be done
[19:38] <cyphermox> in fact, you potentially already have part of it
[19:39] <cyphermox> it depends if you have a 'pristine-tar' branch that already exists for your tree
[19:39] <cyphermox> or an 'upstream' branch
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Could I push the source snapshot to a launchpad repo and have the recipe merge the source and packaging repo?
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> For instance, local clone pushed to launchpad without any revisions.
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> Nm, I see what You're saying.
[19:41] <cyphermox> well, I think one git tree would be better than two :)
[19:41] <cyphermox> then you won't need to change your recipe either
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> I have the upstream tarball locally (did a git clone folllowed by git archive).
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> Where should I put it on LP?
[19:45] <cyphermox> there isn't really a location
[19:45] <cyphermox> that's why I was recommending starting with the debian tree, and running gbp import-orid
[19:46] <cyphermox> *import-orig
[19:46] <cyphermox> that imports the tarball in the upstream branch to get things just right
[19:47] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: would it help if I did the steps here, but not push, so you could see the set of commands and the idea behind them?
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that would be great.
[19:49] <cyphermox> ok, give me a minute
[20:26] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/24jqkkFSfp/
[20:26] <cyphermox> I should make this in a wiki page, and I'm sure there's already one somewhere..
[20:29] <cyphermox> there I did things as root because I was in an lxd container, but that was just so I could copy-paste correctly, you certainly shouldn't develop stuff as root :)
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Absolutely. :)
[20:38] <cyphermox> hopefully this helps a bit
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: It should. Unfortunately, I have run out of time and must go to work. :(
[21:07] <cyphermox> np, kind of busy here too now :)


[06:54] <dholbach> good morning
[09:57] <Richard> Hi there
[11:55] <kivi> hey all
[11:55] <kivi> any news on the third phone yet?
[11:57] <ogra_> you mean the MX4 ?
[11:57] <tathhu> there's already 3 phones :p
[13:10] <kivi> no, I mean the one that mark mentioned which would be able to dock
[13:10] <kivi> ogra_, tathhu
[13:10] <ogra_> well, thats announced for end of the year
[13:11] <kivi> ogra_, any details at all?
[13:11] <ogra_> (and at that date you will most likely only find early developer editions)
[13:11] <kivi> ogra_, specifically if it is North America Compatible?
[13:11] <ogra_> no idea, sorry
[13:11] <ogra_> all i know is it will come from bq and it is specifically developed for this use case (unlike the former devices that were existing andorid devices)
[13:12] <ogra_> and that it will be fully done by 16.04
[13:50] <tathhu> cool
[14:35] <lesamourai> hello ogra_
[14:43] <lesamourai> there is a binary file 'abc' which i can run from terminal as ./abc without sudo , couldn't make it execute via QProcess in Qt, any clues?
[14:47] <JanC> how does it fail?  check error messages, logs...
[14:47] <lesamourai> 'unknown error' is all im getting In qt
[14:48] <lesamourai> QProcess::start("/home/abc")
[14:48] <popey> is this on a phone?
[14:48] <lesamourai> yes XD
[14:49] <popey> if so, it will be confined and may not be able to access that directory
[14:49] <popey> see "sudo dmesg | grep DEN"
[14:49] <JanC> also, what is a binary doing in /home
[14:49] <popey> see what apparmor denials
[14:49] <lesamourai> running as unconfined
[14:49] <popey> it should probably be located in your app directory
[14:49] <popey> but dmesg may show something anyway
[14:49] <lesamourai> ok actual path is /home/phablet/Documents
[14:50] <lesamourai> even if its in app directory , gives same error
[14:50] <popey> is the file marked executable?
[14:50] <lesamourai> yep
[14:50] <lesamourai> it runs fine in terminal
[14:52] <lesamourai> dmesg output is like this , I think it gives enough hints
[14:53] <lesamourai> apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" profile="tynew.ty_ty_0.1" name="/home/phablet/Documents/termx" pid=17130 comm="ty" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[14:53] <ogra_> well, that clearly says the confinement kicked in
[14:54] <jdstrand> 'x' maps to exec()
[14:54] <ogra_> it denies exec()
[14:54] <lesamourai> I see , and that is with  unconfined mode
[14:55] <ogra_> iirc unconfined still leaves some blocks in place ... jdstrand may correct me here
[14:55] <ogra_> at least on the phone
[14:56] <lesamourai> :( that means  this app is impossible
[15:05] <ogra_> lesamourai, probably just the way you try to implement it is
[15:06] <lesamourai> well then back to init way to start the service
[15:06] <lesamourai> if its permitted...
[15:10] <ogra_> what do you actually want to do
[15:11] <ogra_> try to define your use-case rather than sticking to a specific implementation ... then try to adapt your use-case to the possible implementation
[15:13] <lesamourai>  there is this service which I want to run in background  , its ready , only thing left is how to implement it now
[15:14] <lesamourai> earlier plan was giving this option on client side of app , but its impossible
[15:26] <ogra_> lesamourai, what is your service supposed to do
[16:07] <lesamourai> sorry  was away for a while , service is implemented as a dbus service , its working if i run it from terminal , so only issue remaining is how to start it


[01:44] <forumrat> I would like to use xfce4-notifyd how do I set my system to use it?
[01:45] <valdur55> apt-get autoremove notification && apt-get install xfce4-notifyd
[01:46] <forumrat> that's all?
[01:46] <valdur55> yea! just remove old and install new
[01:46] <forumrat> hmm I guess I need to check it in startup applications
[01:46] <valdur55> nope. it isn't startup app
[01:47] <forumrat> I know notification daemon is in startup section
[01:47] <valdur55> ok.. you can kill notification  with pkill
[01:47] <valdur55> :) package removes /etc/xdg/autostart entry
[02:26] <jimearth> hey there, where can I manage settings in ubuntu ?
[02:27] <jimearth> is there a settings center or something ? I need to manage the sound, microphone input/output, etc
[02:28] <Unit193> By "Ubuntu" I{m going to assume Lubuntu. You open a terminal and type  alsamixer
[02:29] <jimearth> yep I meant lubuntu
[02:30] <jimearth> I need to tell my computer to use the bluetooth headset
[02:34] <Unit193> Well...
[03:27] <osmosis> whats the name of the panel that lxde uses?
[03:27] <wxl> lxpanel
[03:27] <wxl> it's always lxsomething
[03:27] <wxl> lxcoffeemaker
[03:28] <Unit193> wxl: What is the login manager? ;)
[03:28] <wxl> ^ osmosis
[03:28] <wxl> you mean the display manager Unit193 ? :D
[03:28] <Unit193> (Was making it basic, anywho...=
[05:26] <LubuntuPowered> COPY PASTE
[05:27] <LubuntuPowered> so i'm still having the problem where my system with Lubuntu on it, only receives a fraction of the download speed (4mbps out of 17+mbps from my ISP, but my upload speed is normal (1.4+mbps) only on my Lubuntu powered =P comuter... all my other computers (desktops/laptops/wired/wireless) are all receiving the speeds i'm supposed to be getting. Just a few weeks ago, i decided to play around with the usb connection option
[05:48] <head_victim> LubuntuPowered: Sounds like you've plugged it into a USB1.0 port to me.
[05:49] <head_victim> (or 1.1)
[06:01] <LubuntuPowered> 1.1 is capable of up to 12mbps speeds
[06:39] <head_victim> LubuntuPowered: yes, but that is theoretical speed and doesn't include any overheads.
[07:17] <zerothis> i'd like all my sounds to go through my bluetooth headset. its paired,it was in the mixer but gone now
[11:16] <pmik76> using lubuntu 11.04 on sony vaio vpceb3m1e ... cannot map Fn key... any workarounds
[12:53] <giuseppe60> hello
[12:54] <Silverlion> hey giuseppe60
[12:54] <giuseppe60> Silverlion,   hello
[12:55] <giuseppe60> pcroque,  hello
[12:57] <giuseppe60> Silverlion,  all good?
[12:57] <Silverlion> at work :(
[12:58] <giuseppe60> no
[13:00] <giuseppe60> unemployed
[13:00] <Silverlion> its me who is at work
[13:01] <giuseppe60> what do you do?
[13:01] <giuseppe60> Silverlion,   what do you do?
[13:02] <Silverlion> giuseppe60: i am doing customers care for a big energy supplier in Germany
[13:03] <giuseppe60> Silverlion, you're at work and PC
[13:03] <Silverlion> giuseppe60: affirmative
[13:03] <giuseppe60> Silverlion,  and if you discover?
[13:04] <Silverlion> giuseppe60: i am working at telephone dispatch. noone is watching
[13:04] <Silverlion> but join #lubuntu-offtopic for further chat ;)
[13:04] <Silverlion> this is the Support chan
[13:04] <giuseppe60> ahahhaha
[13:06] <giuseppe60> Silverlion, use lubuntu as the operating system?
[15:19] <david_j_r> Anyone here involved in the clipboard manager discussion going on in Lubuntu-users mailing list?
[17:02] <giorgio85> hello
[17:02] <giorgio85> how do you disable IPv6?  in lubuntu
[17:26] <giorgio85> how do you disable IPv6?  in lubuntu
[17:33] <bioterror> from kernel
[17:33] <bioterror> add to bootline: ipv6.disable=1
[17:36] <giorgio85> biffbaxter,  to open the kernel?
[17:38] <giorgio85> bioterror,   to open the kernel?
[17:52] <giorgio85> bioterror,   to open the kernel?
[17:52] <smile> hi :)
[17:52] <bioterror> !bootoptions
[17:55] <nehg> Hello, Just installed Lubuntu, is there anything I can do to speed up this? Its still slow
[17:56] <bioterror> buy SSD drive, few gigs more RAM
[17:57] <smile> nehg: & try Slitaz :)
[17:57] <smile> really fast :p
[17:57] <nehg> Is it
[17:57] <smile> yes. :p
[17:58] <nehg> im going to try this first, is there any visual effects i can turn off?
[17:59] <bioterror> no, lubuntu doesnt come with effects
[17:59] <smile> i don't think so :)
[17:59] <phillw> nehg: lubuntu is about as slimmed down as we can get it.
[18:00] <nehg> oh ok
[18:00] <phillw> nehg: what are the specs of the computer?
[18:01] <phillw> you may also consider running http://zenix-os.net/
[18:04] <nehg> its amilo pa-1510 laptop, 1,6ghz, 2gt ram and ati radeon 1100. i think the last one is reason why it is slow
[18:11] <nehg> any ideas?
[18:14] <phillw> nehg: you have ample specs for lubuntu to run,
[18:15] <nehg> yea
[20:14] <KKF> Hey guys
[20:14] <KKF> I need some help with setting my wallpaper
[20:21] <Silverlion> KKF: what exactly do you need?
[20:21] <holstein> is nitrogen in the repos?
[20:22] <bioterror> pcmanfm handles wallpaper
[20:23] <bioterror>   -w, --set-wallpaper=<image file>     Set desktop wallpaper
[23:41] <freeroute> Let's say I'm trying to install skype. How can I see what the total size would be of the downloaded packages (preferably how much would be post-unpacking) and how much mb it would add to my system afterwards?
[23:42] <freeroute> I did "apt-get install skype -s", but that doesn't give me the sizes
[23:43] <holstein> freeroute: i wouldnt expect it to take up much space
[23:44] <holstein> sudo apt-get install whatever should report whats coming in and how much size the pacakges will or are taking up
[23:53] <phillw> freeroute: if you use Synaptics, as you are using apt-get... it will tell you both the amount to be down loaded & the disk space it will use.
[23:54] <freeroute> holstein: 71.4mb :(
[23:54] <freeroute> phillw: it's pretty weird why it doesn't show in the simulation imo
[23:55] <holstein> 71mb's is nothing
[23:55] <freeroute> holstein: I'm in a live environment, and I already have like 2980 out of 3021 used :p
[23:55] <freeroute> *mb
[23:56] <phillw> freeroute: you entering what is called 3GB hell.
[23:56] <freeroute> phillw: is it when everything gets stuck and the RAM is full?
[23:57] <freeroute> or more precisely because the RAM is full
[23:57] <phillw> freeroute: no, that is when the casper system was set to 3GB on creation and is full. (It's also known as 3.2 GB hell)
[23:57] <phillw> 3GB was the default.
[23:58] <freeroute> that's kind of a lot of hell
[23:59] <freeroute> why isn't it possible to have casper made in an NTFS?
[23:59] <freeroute> *on an NTFS


[03:27] <thumper> davecheney: ping
[04:27] <thumper> unping
[04:27]  * thumper wanders off for a bit
[08:50] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: ping
[08:55] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: hello
[08:55] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: i was just looking at the simplestreams stuff
[08:55] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: and realised that i didn't have the first idea about what it's about
[08:55] <wallyworld> me either :-)
[08:55] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: why "streams" ?
[08:56] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: i have no idea how the naming was done, i just inherirted the data format. there's a lp project at lp:simplestreams
[08:56] <wallyworld> this stuff was invented by scott moser
[08:56] <wallyworld> i just provided the go implementation to use it
[08:57] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: yeah, i've been looking at that and trying to work out the reasoning behind the abstractions
[08:57] <wallyworld> since that's what the image metadata is being done in moving forward
[08:57] <wallyworld> there was a big email thread on some list somewhere but i haven't seen it - not sure how far ago it was
[08:57] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: is there a good overview of simplestreams somewhere?
[08:58] <wallyworld> not that *I* know - I just looked at some readmes in the project
[08:58] <wallyworld> i got the lp:simplesytreams source code and poked around a bit
[08:58] <wallyworld> when i started this stuff, i hadn't even seen the project, so had to reverse engineer everything :-(
[08:58] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: what did you use as a reference for the data format?
[08:59] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: just the simplestreams source code?
[08:59] <wallyworld> the sample files :-(
[08:59] <rogpeppe> oh lawks
[08:59] <wallyworld> and then i read the source code
[08:59] <wallyworld> and the readmes and some gaps were filled in
[09:00] <wallyworld> and also, i was told via email a few extra tidbits
[09:00] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: not the best way to implement something is it :-(
[09:01] <rogpeppe> seems weird.
[09:01] <wallyworld> i'm happy though it works for ec2 and openstack (canonistack) data out of the box
[09:01] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: and as seems to be usual for something with "simple" in the protocol, it seems anything but :-)
[09:01] <wallyworld> lol
[09:01] <rogpeppe> s/protocol/name/
[09:01] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: some of the alias stuff was forced on scott by someone else
[09:02] <wallyworld> that adds to the complexity
[09:03] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: from mgz: https://lists.canonical.com/mailman/private/cloud/2013-March/004476.html
[09:03]  * wallyworld goes to read the spec of the thing he has just implemented
[09:03] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: i can't seem to authenticate to that archive
[09:04] <wallyworld> hmmm. you might need to be subscribed already to that mailing list
[09:04] <wallyworld> you can manage your subscriptions via launchpad
[09:04]  * wallyworld has to go to soccer
[09:05] <mgz> I was trying to not post links people can't read to public channel, but it doesn't matter much :)
[09:06] <mgz> it's not a launchpad list, you need to sign up via the we interface there
[09:06] <mgz> *web
[09:06] <rogpeppe> i guess i'll have to wait for someone to react to the subscription request
[09:08] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: i see stuff in the go package that doesn't seem to be mentioned in the simplestreams project. e.g. i can't find any occurrence of the string "csrn" (for the RegionAlias field). where's that stuff defined?
[09:09] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: i don't think crsn is defined as a supported attribute - it is merely a key into the alias map
[09:09] <wallyworld> it could be called foobar
[09:10] <wallyworld> but for our purposes, we can assume it's there
[09:10] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: and the code would still work if we renamed it to foobar?
[09:10] <wallyworld> no. but it's easier that trying to deal with totally generic interface{} types in Go
[09:11] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: the EC2 metadata is the only thing that uses that attribute afaik
[09:11] <wallyworld> and it will always be crsn (customer region short name)
[09:12] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: so where's it defined? what code has populated that attribute? it seems like it's part of the data format we're parsing.
[09:12] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: there's tools in lp:simplestreams (shell scripts and pythin modules) to generate the data i believe
[09:13] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: the only reason crsn is there (and the alias stuff) is that gustavo didn;t like the verbosity
[09:13] <wallyworld> so endpoint and region we pulled out of the ec2 image records
[09:13] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: i think i have a slight difficulty with simplestreams as a name for the go package, which sounds very generic, but actually we're interested in parsing something that was produced by simplestreams but is actually more (and less) than that
[09:14] <wallyworld> i have no attachment to the name
[09:14] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: cool
[09:14] <wallyworld> i just wanted something in it's own package that could read the image data we need to consume
[09:15] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: it's really "imagemetadata" or something not too far from that, i think
[09:15] <wallyworld> sounds good to me
[09:15] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: maybe just "images" :-
[09:15] <rogpeppe> )
[09:15] <wallyworld> that works also :-)
[09:15]  * wallyworld really has to run away now
[09:16] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: have fun!
[09:16] <wallyworld> will do. thanks for looking at the crap code i wrote
[09:50] <dimitern> fwereade: https://codereview.appspot.com/9084045/
[09:53] <fwereade> dimitern, cheers
[10:07] <fwereade> dimitern, did you have a change of heart re errRefresh? I thought we decided last night that we could actually eliminate it
[10:08] <fwereade> dimitern, by ignoring the initial value of the service's relation count
[10:08] <fwereade> dimitern, and just asserting that by the time the txn runs, it will have as many relations as we observed it to have when building the txn
[10:09] <dimitern> fwereade: I did remove s.Refresh(), but kept the error to signal the need to get a fresh service from state in the loop, where it should be i think
[10:10] <fwereade> dimitern, I don't actually think we need to refresh the service at all, because we don't need to look at RelationCount and we don't need a fresh service to get the current .Relations()
[10:11] <dimitern> fwereade: well, you're basically agreeing with rogpeppe about not using s.doc.RelationCount then?
[10:11] <fwereade> dimitern, I thought that not needing a frsh relationcount was the major epiphany last night, but it is possible that it was all in my head
[10:11] <fwereade> dimitern, we need to assert it, but we don't need to validate it when building the txn
[10:11] <rogpeppe> fwereade: +1
[10:12] <rogpeppe> fwereade: that's what i was trying to get at
[10:12] <fwereade> rogpeppe, dimitern: yeah, this stuff is tricky to communicate
[10:12] <dimitern> ok, i'll remove the refresh and keep the assert(RC, eq, len(relations))
[10:12] <rogpeppe> dimitern: sounds good
[10:13] <fwereade> dimitern, that's perfect
[10:14] <fwereade> dimitern, LGTM with comments/suggestions in the CL then :)
[10:14] <dimitern> fwereade: cheers
[11:53] <jamespage> hey - can anyone confirm whether bug 1175958 is also a problem from juju-core?
[11:53] <_mup_> Bug #1175958: New peer relations not created when upgrading charms <amd64> <apport-bug> <raring> <juju:New> <juju (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175958>
[11:54] <jamespage> I've not got my maas/juju-core env quite right yet so can't confirm quickly
[12:05] <dimitern> jamespage: i fixed this in juju-core
[12:06] <dimitern> jamespage: it's in the 1.10 release
[12:11] <jamespage> dimitern, +1 - great
[13:46] <mgz> no one has been poking me for reviews today...
[13:49] <dimitern> mgz: it's a slow day it seems
[13:49] <mgz> everyone's packing :)
[13:49] <mgz> packing BYTES
[13:50] <mgz> there are some existing reviews to go over, and my own bits to land
[13:50] <dimitern> yeah, i'll start packing soon as well
[13:53] <rogpeppe> mgz: it's not mine, but i've been reviewing this and i'd like to see your views on it: https://codereview.appspot.com/9138044/
[13:56] <mgz> yeah, need to go over that one
[14:04] <rogpeppe> mgz: there are some issues with the parsing, but i'm concerned whether it's exposing the right level of detail. i'm wonder if a higher level interface might work better.
[14:06] <rogpeppe> gah!
[14:07] <mgz> nogah
[14:07] <mgz> it will all be okay rog
[14:08] <rogpeppe> mgz: apparently the cable is "mostly" been fixed
[14:08] <rogpeppe> s/is/has/
[14:08] <mgz> ehehe
[14:09] <rogpeppe> *sigh*
[14:12] <rogpeppe> fwereade, dimitern, mramm: i think i'm going to give up
[14:13] <rogpeppe> fwereade, mramm: please let me know if there is anything i should know about
[14:13] <dimitern> rogpeppe: bad luck
[14:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe, I think the gist is "see you soon"
[14:14] <rogpeppe> fwereade: \o/
[14:46] <fwereade> rogpeppe, is there a pithy name for the "1-buffered chan for mutexed field access" pattern?
[14:47]  * rogpeppe thinks
[14:47] <rogpeppe> fwereade: not sure. "chan as resource holder" is about as good as i've got
[14:47] <rogpeppe> fwereade: what's context will the name be used in?
[14:52] <fwereade> rogpeppe, I'm just about to propose it
[14:58] <fwereade> rogpeppe, dimitern: opinions on https://codereview.appspot.com/9175043 much appreciated
[14:59] <dimitern> fwereade:  will look shortly
[14:59] <rogpeppe> fwereade: will have a look in a bit. i have to take my lunch break and eat food and acquire heavy sacks of compost.
[14:59] <fwereade> dimitern, rogpeppe: np
[15:00] <fwereade> mgz, if you're on reviews, https://codereview.appspot.com/9175043 might be interesting
[15:01] <mgz> ta
[15:06] <dimitern> fwereade: reviewed
[15:11] <fwereade> dimitern, cheers
[15:50] <hazmat> fwereade,  what's the status of --config support for deploy?
[15:50] <fwereade> hazmat, it's not complete but I don't anticipate problems finishing it off
[15:51] <fwereade> hazmat, but it was a bit messier than I hoped and it's taken a little while to massage into shape
[15:51] <hazmat> fwereade, cool.. its the last issue i think before people can start using core for their deployer stacks (ostack, etc)
[15:51] <hazmat> i'm holding off an announce of the new core compatible deployer till it lands
[15:52] <fwereade> hazmat, awesome -- I probably won't propose it today, but hassle me in person if I haven't done so on sunday ;p
[15:52] <hazmat> fwereade, thanks will do, and safe travels
[15:53] <fwereade> hazmat, cheers, and you
[15:53] <fwereade> hazmat, btw, re wedged unit status, can it be resolved by bouncing the unit agent?
[15:54] <hazmat> fwereade, i've had multiple wedged causes..
[15:54] <fwereade> hazmat, ah sorry, I meant the resolved/hook-error one
[15:57] <hazmat> fwereade, i'll check next time i run into it.. its the deployer running that helps me trigger it, but thats in holding pattern and basically done.  the other one looked like more of a state issue.. the status reported missing provider state for the machine.
[15:57] <hazmat> fwereade, i suspect that indeed a restart should fix the resolved wedge
[16:10] <fwereade> hazmat, the other one is interesting too, I made a note on the bug
[16:12] <fwereade> hazmat, finding out what actually happened to the instance is the issue there -- it *looks* like an environ issue not a state issue to me
[16:20] <hazmat> fwereade, yes.. but i think its juju modifying/terminating the instance. that one needs more analysis.
[16:21] <hazmat> fwereade, as afar getting foresenic evidence for this stuff, is there a good set of known things to capture?
[16:21] <hazmat> fwereade,  i was figuring i can grab the unified log and a mongodb dump which should cover everything afaics
[16:23] <fwereade> hazmat, that should cover it, I think
[17:15] <rogpeppe> fwereade: did you see my text around major-version upgrades yesterday?
[17:16] <fwereade> rogpeppe, I saw it go by and totally failed to do anything with it
[17:16] <fwereade> rogpeppe, sorry :(
[17:17] <rogpeppe> fwereade: that's fine. i'd appreciate your thoughts at some point though.
[17:20] <hazmat>  rogpeppe where
[17:21] <rogpeppe> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5629750/
[17:21] <hazmat> rogpeppe, thanks
[17:22] <hazmat> rogpeppe, you might also want to account for local changes made to machines during major upgrades
[17:22] <rogpeppe> hazmat: what kind of thing are you thinking of?
[17:23] <hazmat> rogpeppe, i modeled as a separate job upgrade that the agent restarted itself (only that job) into upon seeing the major watch trigger, and could then do local changes after seeing the db upgrade complete.
[17:24] <rogpeppe> hazmat: that's a good point
[17:24] <hazmat> rogpeppe, ie. upgrade major.. barrier for agents into restart mode. db upgrade. local upgrade. restart
[17:25] <rogpeppe> hazmat: perhaps a similar thing should apply as at the server side. we could have a subcommand "upgradeclient" or something
[17:25] <hazmat> rogpeppe, its critical that agents signal into the barrier that their in restart mode, else state usage is uncertain to the db upgrader
[17:26] <rogpeppe> hazmat: yes, that's the intent
[17:26] <rogpeppe> hazmat: although i see i've managed to omit that detail
[17:28] <rogpeppe> hazmat: updated http://paste.ubuntu.com/5629770/
[17:28] <hazmat> rogpeppe, another item worth calling out is that the upgrade coordinator is happening server side, ie possible long run, don't depend on client staying connected
[17:29] <rogpeppe> hazmat: yes. that's kind of implicit, but probably worth mentioning.
[17:29] <rogpeppe> hazmat: all we need is some indicator from each client.
[17:29] <hazmat> rogpeppe, re api wait for reporting upgrade status. a minimal api impl for upgrade that just reports status sounds appropriate
[17:30] <hazmat> either status of agents into the barrier, or simple stage and status.
[17:30] <hazmat> its trickier.
[17:30] <rogpeppe> hazmat: that's not so easy though, as we need to upgrade all the API servers too
[17:30] <hazmat> rogpeppe, yeah.. i'm saying upgrade job can run a minimal api
[17:31] <hazmat> er.. api servers have a minimal upgrade api job
[17:31] <rogpeppe> hazmat: that might work actually - the upgrade job could publish its own address as the only API server address
[17:32]  * hazmat bows out to a meeting
[17:32] <rogpeppe> hazmat: but since the clients are all going to have to reconnect anyway, i'm not sure that emulating a subset of the API is necessary
[17:32] <rogpeppe> hazmat: see ya
[17:46] <rogpeppe> right, i'm off
[17:46] <rogpeppe> see y'all in Oakie!
[18:08] <mgz> so, their demo just demostrated one bug, then that terminating a machine juju-core doesn't recover, unlike juju which starts a new machine
[18:36] <hazmat> mgz, which demo?
[22:41] <TheChistoso|2> hi guys -- sorry to bother you here, but i need help working around https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1172973
[22:41] <_mup_> Bug #1172973: sync-tools requires aws credentials be set in the (shell) environment <juju-core:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172973>


[17:26] <wrst> wb xTEMPLARx
[18:21] <wrst> hello chris4585
[18:31] <chris4585> hey wrst
[18:33] <wrst> how are you doing chris4585?
[18:35] <chris4585> fine, you wrst?
[18:35] <wrst> yep doing well, hammering another day out
[18:37] <chris4585> fun
[18:48] <wrst> well soemething along those lines i suppose
[20:00] <chris4585> lol
[21:27] <wrst> :)


[00:54] <fbc> How do I uninstall the ubuntu-desktop meta package leaving only those required by the xubuntu-desktop meta package?
[00:55] <juanantonio> Can't you do it by Synaptic?
[00:55] <juanantonio> I have the inverse case, I have Kubuntu, and installed Xubuntu desktop and some packages of Gnome were installed
[00:59] <ThePub> fbc if you have ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop installed if you remove ubuntu-desktop and then do an "apt-get autoremove" it should calculate the appropriate dependencies to remove.
[00:59] <fbc> juanantonio,  yeah, but it will also uninstall those required xubuntu is any.
[00:59] <fbc> ThePub, awesome thanks
[00:59] <ThePub> and if it doesn't, you can always followup with an install of xubuntu-desktop, right? :)
[01:00] <fbc> yeah, I guess
[01:00] <ThePub> thing is, that any programs you have installed that use gnome dependencies will keep them around.
[01:00] <juanantonio> Ok, I tell you because I do nothing but experimenting, and my last one was installing LXDE and Xubuntu desktps, that's why
[01:01] <fbc> ThePub, wel i want to get rid of those apps too. I'm sure if I unstall GNOME it will pormpt me to uninstall those as well.
[01:01] <ThePub> it generally will, yes.
[01:02] <ThePub> I just did that switch a couple days ago, tbh I don't recall what all got removed but it worked fin.
[01:02] <ThePub> fine
[01:02] <ThePub> then again, I didn't install xubuntu-desktop but xfce4 meta package.
[01:24] <fbc> Is there any way to enable the single click behavior on the desktop?? I can't find it anywhere.
[01:29] <Aquina> Does anyone have an idea why creating a starter on the desktop causes the window to self-close when entering a name for it?
[01:32] <william56> uhh, i just opened a folder to an automatically mounted cdrom drive that had been unmounted and is now being erased, and my file browser windows locked up. how can i unlock them without waiting for the cd to be erased, or just restart the whole process??
[01:34] <ThePub> fbc: can't say that I'm aware that's possible.  it's possible inside Thunar but I don't think on the desktop.  Kind of silly, but never bothered me.
[01:35] <william56> what's the name of the xubuntu browser?
[01:36] <ThePub> browser?
[01:36] <william56> file browser
[01:36] <ThePub> by default the file manager is Thunar
[01:36] <ThePub> at least on current installs :)
[01:36] <william56> ahh, so killall thunar should do the trick?
[01:37] <william56> nvm, found it
[01:37] <ThePub> no clue what you're doing so can't say.  you could definitely try it I guess.  Thunar is capitalized.
[01:37] <william56> yea, i just noticed that running ps -e
[01:38] <william56> i was trying to kill the browser process, since it locked up
[01:39] <william56> !minimal
[01:40] <william56> would the minimal disk from that page be alright for installing xubuntu using a server on the lan as a repository?
[01:41] <mcohen> hi all, can anyone give me a hand lowering memory use in xubuntu?
[01:42] <mcohen> basically a bare bones setup, no net connection, so no nm-applet or update-notifier
[01:43] <freego> mcohen, :O
[01:43] <freego> so what do you want?
[01:44] <mcohen> well, it's on a 128MB ram machine
[01:44] <freego> install xubuntu in a old pc
[01:44] <mcohen> I know I know, below the minimum requirements
[01:44] <mcohen> it's already there, I just want to trim down some of the memory use
[01:44] <mcohen> for example, I went to settings/pref, and told update-notifier not to autostart, but it did anyway
[01:46] <fbc> ThePub, The reality is that I'm not a big fan of double-clicking especially since I've been diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome.
[01:46] <freego> mcohen, 128MB is enough
[01:47] <mcohen> other examples - I had to install ubuntu-desktop package because it is needed by edubuntu-desktop, but I'm running xubuntu, so for example I don't need gnome-screensav and gnome-power-man to run at startup
[01:47] <freego> xubuntu runs with 64MB
[01:47] <freego> :P
[01:47] <mcohen> how do I get these processes to not start up
[01:47] <freego> in xfce?
[01:47] <Aquina> Has someone an idea related to my question?
[01:47] <freego> aplications - settings - autostart
[01:47] <freego> unmark all
[01:49] <william56> freego: you mean apps>settings>settings manager>autostarted apps?
[01:49] <freego> yep
[01:49] <freego> xD
[01:50]  * freego isn't in xfce right now
[01:51] <mcohen> so I already tried that
[01:51] <william56> :P
[01:51] <mcohen> I unmarked update-notifier but it still ran at startup
[01:51] <mcohen> do I need tracking and indexing?
[01:51] <mcohen> what about this thin client thing
[01:51] <freego> mmm.. I have not been using for 4 month
[01:51] <freego> T_T
[01:51] <mcohen> and finally, what is PulseAudio
[01:52] <freego> mcohen, uninstall update-notifier
[01:52] <ball> it's a streaming audio thingumywhatsit I think
[01:52] <ball> ;...perhaps also a software mixer/mux
[01:53] <mcohen> best keep?
[01:53] <mcohen> also, I heard there's a memory leak in xfce4-menu-plug atm
[01:54] <ball> brb, recabling
[01:54] <mcohen> oh, it seems that removing update-notifier removes edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop
[01:55] <mcohen> is that ok, I think those are vrtual packages just designed to be dependent on everything in edubuntu/ubuntu
[01:55] <sinbox> they ae meta package I think
[01:55] <sinbox> but check first
[01:55] <mcohen> well, it says it will only free 418kb of space, so they must be meta packages
[01:55] <sinbox> no need for them I think unless you're starting
[01:56] <mcohen> what about gnome-screensav?
[01:56] <sinbox> no idea sorry :)  but a gnome thingy for sure
[01:57] <mcohen> I mean, telling it not to autostart
[01:57] <sinbox> bed'a'calling
[01:57] <sinbox> nn all
[02:05] <fbc> How do you add a terminal icon to the desktop? what's the command that I put in the box. I tried term, but that was not it.
[02:05] <fbc> Is there and equivalent to ALT-F2 in gnome?
[02:06] <fbc> ALT-F2 is the run dialog.
[02:07] <fbc> Ahh it works in XFCE too..
[02:07] <fbc> How do you add a terminal icon to the desktop? what's the command that I put in the box. I tried term, but that was not it.
[02:07] <ron_o> xfce4-terminal
[02:08] <ball> Xubuntu's surprising: I'm running full screen video on a 550 MHz Pentium III box
[02:12] <exad> Hello, I was wondering if its hard to get xubuntu on a usb thumb drive
[02:12] <william56> would it be hard for me to set up an apt repository so that i could do a net install of xubuntu from the packages stored on a regular xubuntu pc?
[02:13] <R1cochet> !reconstructor
[02:13] <R1cochet> !reconstructer
[02:14] <R1cochet> !aptoncd
[02:14] <R1cochet> william56: read above
[02:15] <ron_o> the thing is AptonCD can't reinstall your applications, but instead it can just creat a repository. You're better off just downloading all your applications to the appropriate apt cache and copying those files to a cd.
[02:15] <ron_o> then just copy them back.
[02:16] <exad> Got any info on getting Xubuntu to run on USB drive? Should I be downloading the alternate install cd?
[02:16] <ron_o> exad, there are plenty of tutorials for that. maybe not for xubuntu, but for at least ubuntu.
[02:17] <ron_o> too bad k3b can't handle that automatically. I hear that Nero does.
[02:17] <exad> I found one
[02:17] <ron_o> it'll come, like all does.
[02:17] <exad> but it's just not too specific
[02:17] <R1cochet> ron_o: nero does what?
[02:18] <exad> so I dont know if I should download the desktop version or alternate install cd version
[02:18] <exad> any wise counsel?
[02:18] <ron_o> I hear that nero installs an iso to USB that's bootable.
[02:18] <R1cochet> §orry
[02:19] <ron_o> exad, most likely the main version will do. You won't be installing it entirely to a USB key. Just the important parts.
[02:20] <william56> thanks, R1cochet
[02:20] <R1cochet> william56: did u read ron_o's post right after mine tho?
[02:21] <william56> yes, i think i'm gonna go with his advice
[02:22] <ron_o> william56, you can just use synaptic and download everything without installing it. You'll figure it out.
[02:22] <ron_o> if you purge your cache all the time.
[02:23] <ThePub> fbc: that's why I personally try to avoid. between keyboard launching and extensive use of shortcuts my hands rarely move from the keyboard. aditionally all the stuff I want to access are on a couple of drop downs from the main panel. going to the desktop just always felt wierd to me.
[02:23] <R1cochet> ron_o, will that pull the dependencies as well?
[02:23] <william56> ohh, i just want the updates and new apps i've installed on this pc, plus all the non updated stuff from my latest version xubuntu cd
[02:23] <exad> k thanks
[02:24] <mcohen> thanks for the help guys,
[02:25] <mcohen> is there anything else I can remove to save memory in xubuntu?
[02:25] <ron_o> R1cochet, hmmm, I think it will. It should.
[02:25] <william56> okay, so i have a folder with a bunch of deb files on them, plus the xubuntu cd. anyone know of a guide for changing the minimal install cd so that it'll read packages from cd?
[02:25] <mcohen> The majority of the memory is taken by xfce stuff
[02:26] <ron_o> mcohen, don't use applets.
[02:26] <ThePub> fbc: you can supplement mousing by using the run dialogue at a very minimum (alt+f2 default).  a better alternative is something like gnome-do which can run anything in your menu by name, or personally I use gmrun which is just an enhanced run box.
[02:26] <mcohen> or a lot anyway
[02:26] <fbc> ThePub, thanks
[02:26] <ron_o> mcohen, how much memory you got?
[02:26] <mcohen> 128mb
[02:26] <ron_o> wow
[02:27] <ron_o> use fluxbox man..
[02:27] <ron_o> it ain
[02:27] <ron_o> it ain't hard.
[02:27] <mcohen> fluxbox?
[02:27] <ThePub> it's definitely better than xfce in this case.
[02:27] <ron_o> a window manager that is very minimalist.
[02:28] <ron_o> 128 ain't nothing.
[02:28] <mcohen> ok, I can install fluxbox, how do I make sure it gets used, and stop xfce from running?
[02:28] <ron_o> I was using it with 312 or so of RAM and I was doing well in fluxbox, but as soon as I used xubuntu, it ran terribly.
[02:29] <ron_o> mcohen, when you use your password, you can go into a fluxbox sesssion.
[02:29] <ThePub> 128 is quite a bit actually :)
[02:29] <ron_o> ThePub, for a bare minimalist firewall.
[02:29] <ThePub> (depending on the task)
[02:29] <mcohen> urgh
[02:29] <ThePub> I'm only using 256 atm
[02:30] <mcohen> just took a look at it, might be a bit too minimalist for my 11 yr old daughter
[02:30] <ThePub> no swap, nothing.. that's all I'm using.  :)
[02:30] <ron_o> mcohen, you've a lot of work ahead. You sure you ...
[02:30] <ron_o> oh, sorry. yah.
[02:30] <R1cochet> 612m for me :)
[02:30] <ron_o> too minimalist..
[02:30] <R1cochet> being used
[02:30] <ron_o> mcohen, what's she using it for?
[02:30] <ThePub> fluxbox is where it's at though.  with a little work you can have a great environment.  I'd suggest a different distro than ubuntu though
[02:30] <ron_o> internet?
[02:30] <mcohen> basically, the question is, what can I do to make this machine nicely usable for my 11 yr old running edubuntu programs
[02:31] <ron_o> ThePub, nah, xubuntu is great with fluxbox. It doesn't interfere at all with it.
[02:31] <mcohen> I can connect to the net, but the machine will not be connected regularly, I want to set it up and then remove the PC card wireless
[02:31] <ron_o> mcohen, wow.. I think edubuntu is pretty intensive for RAM.
[02:31] <ThePub> it's less the interface and more the extra baggage that ubuntu brings :)
[02:32] <ThePub> I'd find out what in edubuntu looks good and then consider installing debian
[02:32] <ThePub> go with a net install and work up from a bare machine.
[02:35] <ron_o> mcohen, since it's a standalone machine just install edubuntu to it and see how it fares.
[02:35] <mcohen> hmm, thanks
[02:35] <mcohen> I'll just see how it goes for the moment
[02:35] <ron_o> you'll have to experiment.
[02:37] <ron_o> trying to advise you sometimes hurts you since I don't know your situation. To some folks waiting 10 seconds for a program to load is fine, and others forget it.
[02:38] <ron_o> sys requirements:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574627
[02:38] <ron_o> I'm really getting into virtualization, so going back to me old machine isn't plausible anymore.
[02:39] <ball> ron_o: I want a new machine that's kitted out for that.
[02:40] <ball> Rules out a Celeron or Sempron
[02:41] <ball> hello exad
[02:50]  * source is now playing disturbia - Rihanna
[02:55]  * source is now playing disturbia - Rihanna
[02:55] <source> :O
[02:55] <source> hmm
[03:20] <exad> hi ball
[03:46] <likemindead> Anyone have any thoughts on Songbird?
[03:54] <ZeZu> where do bug reports go ?
[03:54] <william56> would it be hard to modify a minimal installer to install xubuntu's default packages plus any updates i have lying around from the cd?
[04:05] <source> william56, not
[04:06] <source> you can download netinst
[04:06] <source> and then install all of you want
[04:07] <william56> netinst, eh.. is there a package for it?
[04:07] <william56> oh, you mean the cd?
[04:07] <source> what do you want do to
[04:07] <source> to do*?
[04:08] <source> a minimal install of xubuntu?
[04:09] <william56> i want to install using a text mode installer with the packages stored on the disk, preferably ones copied from this pc
[04:09] <william56> the packages stored on the cd, that is
[04:10] <source> install xubuntu first, then install the packages
[04:10] <source> :P
[04:11] <william56> how do i install xubuntu without packages? i can do that from the minimal cd?
[04:12] <william56> basically my isp has some major bandwidth issues, and i'm in need of a way to create a cd that'll install packages that are currently on my xubuntu graphical install cd, and run in text mode at the same time, as the minimal iso does (both of which i have)
[04:12] <william56> or just in need of a way to install via the minimal iso and copy the packages from the cd later? could i do that?
[04:15] <guyiom> on intrepid there is a wy to create bootable distros from a running one
[04:20] <R1cochet> guyiom: is there a tutorial on this
[04:22] <guyiom> no i just saw the app 2 h ago
[04:22] <guyiom> i ll refind he name
[04:22] <R1cochet> i think reconstructor
[04:23] <R1cochet> i had that app but never got around to using it
[04:28] <guyiom> shit i made a nistake with the usb-creator stuff
[04:28] <william56> would anyone mind telling me where the apt-get repo list is? i've decided to do a bare bones install from the minimal cd, and i'm wondering where the file is i need to edit to install packages from cd
[04:28] <guyiom> anyway i have to go bed here it's 5h30
[04:29] <guyiom> you can add in your rep the cd instead of web link
[04:29] <guyiom> or a place inyour hd
[04:29] <guyiom> ciao
[04:29] <william56> cya
[04:30] <william56> i was planning on doing that, wondering where the config file you add them to is
[05:02] <R1cochet> i have a disc in a dvd drive and i cant eject it
[05:03] <R1cochet> thunar doesnt show it in the drop down menu either
[05:03] <R1cochet> how can i get it to eject for me?
[05:03] <microlith> has anyone run into an issue where an idle laptop will go into sleep mode immediately upon being unplugged?
[05:04] <ball> R1cochet: try "eject" at a $ prompt
[05:09] <R1cochet> ball: thank you i tried it after i navigated into that directory and it wouldnt work
[05:47] <adrift98> i'm about to ask a taboo question, but it's for good reason. How do i turn off the Xubuntu login screen. This is for a laptop that won't see the internet practically at all if ever...
[05:48] <adrift98> basically, i want my grandma to be able to boot up xubuntu and just end up on the desktop.
[05:49] <ball> adrift98: unix (and therefore Linux) doesn't work that way
[05:50] <adrift98> sure it does. i've done it in Ubuntu
[05:50] <wen> i think it should be achievable.
[05:51] <william56> i've done that, there's a 'login automatically' tic button somewhere
[05:51] <adrift98> i figured as much William, but i couldn't find it
[05:51] <william56> i think i did mine when i was installing, lemme look around..
[05:51] <william56> okay, go to applications>settings>login window
[05:51] <adrift98> ok thanks
[05:51] <adrift98> ah i see it
[05:52] <william56> :P
[05:52] <adrift98> security maybe?
[05:52] <adrift98> allow local systme admin login?
[05:52] <william56> that's what i'm looking at
[05:52] <adrift98> aha, well let me see if it works. thanks
[05:52] <william56> one second, is local system admin the user?
[05:52] <adrift98> yes
[05:52] <william56> that's odd
[05:52] <william56> is that the name you typed in during install?
[05:53] <adrift98> yes
[05:53] <william56> ohh, never midn
[05:53] <william56> yea, that should do it
[05:53] <adrift98> ok well we'll find out :D
[05:54] <adrift98> so odd that people are so paranoid about booting into an OS without a login. I understand the paranoia behind it all, but for those who will never be on any sort of network, it seems unjustified.
[05:54] <adrift98> ohwell.
[05:56] <william56> okay, here's my question. during install from the latest minimal cd, it's made it to the 'detecting disks and other hardware' portion of it, and the screen just keeps going black then coming back to the detecting screen, without any other changes.. also i see killed instead of detect in the sentence 'detecting hardware, please wait...'
[05:56] <william56> any suggestions on what might be wrong or how to fix it?
[05:57] <adrift98> This is during the install?
[05:58] <william56> adrift98: yes
[05:59] <william56> i think it's because my hd is going bad.. but could there be another problem that i'm not aware of? i can get the pc specs if needed
[06:00] <adrift98> did you interupt the install procedure at any point? like did you plug in a cat 5 cable or anything like that while it was installing?
[06:01] <william56> i did the first time i was installing, but not the second time. and i don't think it came out during the installation, though it's possible
[06:02] <adrift98> i had a similar issue... i was installing and plugged in a network cable when it was looking for a network. It jacked up the install somehow and i had to start all over again. the second time around it worked flawlessly
[06:02] <adrift98> maybe 3 times a charm?
[06:02] <william56> i'll give it a go.. looking at the bios menu though, i'm not 100% sure that the hd is even detected
[06:05] <william56> but then again, that wouldn't be the problem if the bios wasn't detecting it, i guess
[06:36] <william56> it doesn't appear that it's gonna work on the third try either..
[06:50] <ball> That's wierd, I can't ssh into my Xubuntu box
[06:50] <ball> I bet it tried to standby and couldn't.
[06:50] <ball> I should tell it not to try.
[08:31] <R1cochet> can i run a livecd without restarting?
[08:34] <TheSheep> R1cochet: what do you mean?
[08:36] <R1cochet> well im booted in xubuntu right now and would like to run a livecd without restarting and booting from it
[08:36] <TheSheep> what do you mean by 'run' then?
[08:37] <R1cochet> load the livecd and test drive it
[08:37] <TheSheep> I don't understand
[08:38] <TheSheep> R1cochet: you can run it in a virtual machine like vmware or qemu...
[08:38] <R1cochet> i would like to boot the livecd while still booted from my hdd
[08:38] <TheSheep> that doesn't make any sense
[08:39] <R1cochet> ok Nevermind then
[08:39] <R1cochet> thank you
[08:39] <TheSheep> what's the problem you are trying to solve?
[08:40] <R1cochet> i want to run a livecd i created without restarting and booting from disc
[08:40] <TheSheep> but why?
[08:40] <R1cochet> to see if i like it without restarting
[08:41] <TheSheep> ah, use a virtual machine then
[08:41] <R1cochet> can u recommend one?
[08:41] <TheSheep> I like qemu personally, but lots of people use vmware
[08:42] <R1cochet> they both work the same?
[08:42] <TheSheep> pretty much, vmware is more gui-driven
[08:42] <TheSheep> and proprietary
[08:44] <R1cochet> !qemu
[08:44] <R1cochet> !vmware
[08:50] <R1cochet> so i could install an OS and play games written for windows just fine on either?
[08:51] <TheSheep> R1cochet: virtual machines are usually much slower than the host machine
[08:51] <TheSheep> R1cochet: but yes, you can install windows or any other operating system on a virtual machine
[09:05] <R1cochet> this should negate me needing a dual boot system then?
[09:06] <TheSheep> R1cochet: the virtual machine is much slower
[09:08] <R1cochet> ok
[09:08] <R1cochet> how do i run qemu? i have it installed
[09:08] <Sinister> dual boot should only mean boots for both feet
[09:08] <R1cochet> cant find it
[09:10] <TheSheep> R1cochet: it's a command line utility
[09:10] <TheSheep> R1cochet: there are some graphical frontends
[09:11] <TheSheep> qemulator, qtemu, qemu-launcher
[09:11] <TheSheep> btw, if you install kqemu, it will be faster
[09:18] <R1cochet> ok
[09:18] <R1cochet> is there a tutorial that can explain where to go from there?
[09:19] <TheSheep> proably, I'd check the forums and google
[09:28] <R1cochet> TheSheep: do i need both kqemu-common and kqemu-source?
[09:29] <Sinister> can you play WMV in 64 bit ?
[09:29] <TheSheep> R1cochet: I don't know exactly
[09:30] <TheSheep> Sinister: there are w64codecs in the medibuntu repository
[09:30] <R1cochet> Sinister: yes
[09:30] <TheSheep> Sinister: not sure whether they include your particular codec
[09:30] <Sinister> dont work
[09:30] <R1cochet> though on some hdwmv the sound doesnt play but the vid is fine
[09:31] <Sinister> i installed w64 still wont play
[09:31] <TheSheep> wmv is a general file format, it can be encoded with various codecs
[09:34] <Sinister> i just installed vlc and it wont play them
[09:47] <FlyOnTheWall> erm, I have an icon on my panel that says "no network connections"
[09:48] <FlyOnTheWall> all fine and dandy, if it was a local machine I'd just assume the network card is down and try to probe some modules
[09:48] <FlyOnTheWall> however, it's an ltsp solution
[09:48] <FlyOnTheWall> and everything else is working, including the ssh connection to this screen
[09:58] <Sinister> is it set for the right card ?
[10:03] <R1cochet> if i clear this directory: var/cache/apt/archives will i be ok?
[10:05] <TheSheep> R1cochet: do apt-get clear instead
[10:05] <TheSheep> (or clean?)
[10:18] <R1cochet> TheSheep: thank you
[14:48] <alienkid> hello I am new to Linux and just installed yesterday, and now I want to network with my 2 windows machines using samba
[14:49] <alienkid> I have samba all set up but I can't see them, they can see and use my files just fine but I can't see thiers
[14:49] <ball> hello alienkid
[14:49] <alienkid> hi
[14:50] <ball> You have folders shared on the MS Windows machines?
[14:50] <alienkid> My windows install on this machine can see them, just not Linux
[14:50] <alienkid> yes
[14:50] <alienkid> many
[14:51] <alienkid> does it matter if I "installed inside windows"?
[14:51] <ball> If you can mount the Windows boxen from Linux, probably not.
[14:51] <alienkid> I don't know if I can mount them
[14:52] <alienkid> I also don't have a connect to... menu in places
[14:52] <sinbox> try and seek: pyneighborood
[14:53] <sinbox> should help
[14:53] <alienkid> in synaptic or add/remove?
[14:54] <sinbox> not sure check them out
[14:55] <alienkid> can't find it
[14:56] <sinbox> true just checked it's not in the repositories, you'd have to build it if you wanted it, sorry
[14:57] <alienkid> know any other why?
[14:58] <sinbox> sorry I don't, am on ubuntu rather than xubuntu right now, and my samba shares don't quite work properly either: am a bit clueless on that
[14:59] <ball> I suppose I could try it.  I have a Windows box (my wife's) in front of me and a Xubuntu box (mine) beside me.
[14:59] <alienkid> ok thanks for trying. breakfast
[14:59] <alienkid> byr
[14:59] <alienkid> bye
[14:59] <ball> bon apetit!
[14:59] <sinbox> one thing I'm thinking is you might need an extra for your windows machine to see the ext3 partitions on your linux machine
[14:59] <sinbox> oopss missed him
[15:02] <ball> sinbox: he's going the other way as I understand it: mounting Windows shares from a Xubuntu box
[15:22] <Nalleman> gnome-powermanager seems to be very buggy for me right now. Is this a common problem?
[15:23] <ball> Nalleman: I don't know about Gnome, but my machine can't standby or Hibernate
[15:24] <Nalleman> ball, can you change screen brightness? my computer hangs up if i tries to
[15:24] <ball> This is a desktop
[16:07] <ball> What's the right package for serving up :0 via VNC?
[16:12] <cody-somerville>  !vnc
[16:14] <ball> cody-somerville: um, that's okay as far as it goes, but doesn't tell me which of the VNC packages does the job I'm after.
[16:14] <ball> hello Ahmuck
[16:14] <Ahmuck> hi ball
[16:14] <Ahmuck> i need to boot from a live xubuntu cd and access a crashed hard drive
[16:15] <ball> ok
[16:18] <Ahmuck> is that possible in xubuntu?
[16:18] <Ahmuck> or is there something special i need to do
[16:21] <Ahmuck> k, gtg
[16:22] <ball> Ahmuck: yes, it's possible
[16:23] <ball> (should be)
[16:23] <Ahmuck> do i just mount it, or can i access it directly upon boot up from the live cd?
[16:23] <Ahmuck> ubuntu needs to create a Rubuntu cd
[16:23] <Ahmuck> Rescue *buntu
[16:25] <ball> I would expect to have to mount it manually
[16:25] <ball> (mount it read-only)
[16:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> k, i'm back
[16:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> live cd.
[16:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> how do i mount this windows drive again?
[16:41] <ball> my guess would be something like "mount -r /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[16:42] <ball> (then look for your files in /mnt)
[17:12] <|ntegra|> hey y'all
[17:12] <ball> mornin'
[17:12] <|ntegra|> this is working good, but I don't seem to have a webcam yet
[17:13] <|ntegra|> !webcam
[17:14] <|ntegra|> knowing ubuntu that'll be a cool as tutorial
[17:14] <|ntegra|> ball: where you at?
[17:17] <ball> Illinois, USA
[17:17] <|ntegra|> cool, >auckland,NewZealand
[17:24] <|ntegra|> cool, I was pretty happy when xubuntu gutsy worked out-of-the-box with my wireless card
[17:24] <|ntegra|> !wireless
[17:30] <Sinister> i see i can add a program to my bottom panal that slows down my cpu is there any think that speeds it up ?
[17:33] <|ntegra|> thats overclocking which is done in the bios not (usually) the operating system
[17:34] <|ntegra|> !remastering
[18:18] <Muhammad_Saad> How can I install a basic command line system from Xubuntu 8.10 desktop (live) CD?
[18:29] <Odd-rationale> Muhammad_Saad: you have to use tha alternative disc... the live cd does not let you install a command line system
[18:29] <Odd-rationale> !alternative
[18:34] <Muhammad_Saad> there is a file in the CD /preseed/cli.seed. What is that for?
[18:38] <Odd-rationale> idk... you'd probably have to ask cody-somerville...
[18:41] <fbc> How do you take a screen shot? I press prtscn and nothing happens, and I don't see the snapshot acessory like i used to have with ubuntu.
[18:41] <sinbox> might be a bit late but did you take a look at this Ahmuck : http://ubuntu-rescue-remix.org/
[18:42] <investigate_911> i'm trying to write "17th of November" in abiword, but the "th" does not float above. how do i format it?
[18:43] <fbc> investigate_911, I don't know of a way to do that in abiword..I'd like to know too..
[18:44] <investigate_911> i'll check their site for info.
[18:47] <investigate_911> ... and their irc
[18:50] <charlie-tca> fbc: To take a screen shot, add the screenshot applet to the panel
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Then you just click on the camera
[18:52] <fbc> charlie-tca, do you know how to invoke that from the command line? That way I can map it to a keyboard shortct, like my print button?
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I do not
[18:55] <Ahmuck> sinbox: thx
[18:59] <Odd-rationale> fbc: try scrot. a command line tool to take a screenshot...
[18:59] <fbc> Odd-rationale, ok thanks
[19:21] <anotherG> Is there a list of files one needs to backup to be able to restore a (X)ubuntu system?
[19:21] <anotherG> I thought `dpkg --get-selections` and /etc would be enough, but just now I had to (?)
[19:21] <anotherG> edit /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local to add some locales and now I wonder what else
[19:21] <anotherG> might be hidden at some obscure place?
[19:34] <robile> does anyone know a plugin for xmms to show the available playlists in an extra window or so?
[20:14] <alienkid> hi guys I found a way without pyneighborhood to view windows shares with samba
[20:15] <cody-somerville> oh?
[20:15] <alienkid> my grabing smb4K you can view windows shares
[20:15] <cody-somerville> That sounds like a KDE app
[20:15] <alienkid> it is but it still seems to work
[20:16] <alienkid> where in the applications menu would pyNeighborhood be?
[20:17] <alienkid> I installed it to but can't find it
[20:17] <tascil> Heya.  I'm having a problem installing a video card (it gives me static after the Xubuntu splash loader); can anyone help me?
[20:22] <Pres-Gas> static? Like a TV static?
[20:22] <source> saluton
[20:22] <Pres-Gas> ...it actually moves like that?
[20:24] <tascil> Well, static-ish.
[20:24] <tascil> The lines of the splash screen are mixed up and interlaced.
[20:24] <Pres-Gas> ahhhh, did you enable anything like compositing?
[20:25] <tascil> I think it's trying to load gdm (the screen blacks out three times briefly during startup), but it hangs up after that with the messed up video.
[20:25] <tascil> I did, but here's the thing.  I was using the onboard video, shut off the computer, put in the card, and now it does this.
[20:25] <tascil> Could it be that I just need to go back and install the drivers?
[20:26]  * Pres-Gas scrolls up the window...
[20:26] <Pres-Gas> Did I come in after you mentioned installing "the card"?
[20:27] <tascil> No.
[20:27] <alienkid> how do I replace the annoying beep the internal speekers make with something like what windows does when you try to backspace when theres nothing to backspace?
[20:27] <tascil> Sorry, I may not have been that clear.  >.>
[20:27] <Pres-Gas> tascil, I think it is me...need more coffee.  I see it now
  I have an AMD64 processor, and I'm trying to install an NVidia 8400GS card.
[20:28] <Pres-Gas> Are you able to use the onboard video still?
[20:28] <tascil> Let me try; I should be able to.
[20:32] <tascil> Okay, had to take out the card, but it appears to boot up fine.
[20:33] <tascil> Yes, it works.
[20:34] <Pres-Gas> You should look through dmesg and see if your nvidia card was detected, and also look through your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:34] <Pres-Gas> see what they say...
[20:34] <tascil> I had to take the card out.  It wouldn't recognize the onboard video.
[20:35] <Pres-Gas> okay, there should be more than one file named Xorg.0.log
[20:35] <Pres-Gas> look through them both
[20:36] <tascil> um, where?
[20:36] <Pres-Gas> in /var/log
[20:37] <tascil> Ok.
[20:38] <Pres-Gas> the Xorg logs are a tad hard to read at first...there is explanation at the top of the file
[20:39] <tascil> Alright, but what am I looking for?
[20:40] <Pres-Gas> See if there is any errors involving the video card of even if it mentions nvidia
[20:40] <tascil> Nope.
[20:42] <Pres-Gas> Hmmm...one more thing...I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing...are you getting issues after the xubuntu boot screen BEFORE gdm or after gdm?
[20:43] <tascil> It never gets to the login screen; it does the startup procedure with the xubuntu splash page with the loading bar, displays some text (something involving init.rc or something, I forget), the screen blacks out, displays the same text, repeats the previous two things another two times, displays the messed-up screen, then hangs up.
[20:43] <tascil> I think it's getting issues when it gets to gdm.
[20:45]  * Pres-Gas wonders if it would behave on the live cd...after the nvidia card is installed...
[20:45] <tascil> I tried that.  I put in the card, booted from the live CD, and got a slightly different, though still messed-up, result.
[20:46] <Pres-Gas> There are some bios-es that have options on using internal video or card...did you need to or have you looked at that when installing the card?
[20:47] <tascil> I don't know anything about that.
[20:47] <R1cochet> tascil: i had similar problems with the livecd. try running it in safe grafx mode
[20:48] <tascil> Maybe I'm spoiled from the whole plugin-and-play culture.
[20:48] <tascil> R1cochet: how?
[20:48] <R1cochet> when the screen comes up asking if u want to try/install/memtest/.........
[20:49] <R1cochet> one of the f-keys brings up an option for safe grafx mode
[20:49] <tascil> Let me try it.
[20:54] <tascil> Nope; still get a messed-up image.
[20:54] <Pres-Gas> R1cochet, are you using the OSS nvidia drivers or proprietary?
[20:56] <R1cochet> im on nvidia1.77
[20:57] <Pres-Gas> I have not run into that type of issue with my nvidia cards...but then again, they are not added after market either.
[20:57] <R1cochet> mine is
[21:48] <calamari> hi
[21:48] <calamari> I would like to set by desktop to be my home directory.. is there a way to do that?
[21:49] <calamari> one odd thing is that I do not seem to be able to delete the Desktop directory, it is recreated instantly
[21:50] <Odd-rationale> calamari: i don;t think there is a way to do that in xfce... you can do it in gnome though... and i beleive kde plasma will let you do something similar...
[21:50] <calamari> well I was going to just set a symlink Desktop to ~
[21:54] <calamari> any idea what app is watchdogging the Desktop directory?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> thunar perhaps...
[22:01] <tascil> Okay, I want to reinstall xubuntu from scratch with an nvidia 8400 graphics card.  The live CD won't get past the boot loader screen (it gives me some messed-up interlaced garbage).  I have a monitor hooked into the VGA port on the graphics card.  I am not able to install from the live CD.  Any help?
[22:03] <Odd-rationale> tascil: try the alternative disc...
[22:03] <Odd-rationale> !alternative | tascil
[22:05] <tascil> Okay, thanks.  Hopefully this will work.
[22:11] <stuart__> Anybody know if firestarter auto starts at bootup
[22:40] <Shaba1> what is firestarter?
[22:41] <Odd-rationale> i gui, easy to use firewall...
[22:41] <Odd-rationale> !info firestarter
[22:41] <source> ???
[22:47] <invisime> so, which problem should I describe first? my sound issues or my external hard drive issues... hm...
[22:47] <crimsun> just describe them both
[22:47] <invisime> no sound.
[22:47] <invisime> had it on initial install, it's gone now.
[22:48] <invisime> usb external hardrive won't mount.
[22:48] <invisime> used to, doesn't anymore.
[22:48] <crimsun> ok, RE: sound, run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh using bash, and tell us the url
[22:52] <calamari> what's the mount error message?\
[22:54] <calamari> lol.. my character console font is insanely large
[22:54] <calamari> it's like it is in the wrong graphics mode
[22:56] <tascil> ugh.  continuing from before: I tried installing using the alternate CD, and it said that one of the files was corrupted and could not install (this was after freshly burning and verifying the CD).  Going back to the normal live CD, when I try to "install xubuntu", it drops me to a commandline ("ubuntu@ubuntu:~$").  Any help with where to go from here?  I just want to install Xubuntu with my graphics card.
[22:57] <invisime> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9d37a7e6446464f00c9eda620358243009b8a69f
[22:57] <calamari> tascil: this could be completely wrong.. but I noticed that for a previous system of mine the bios was hosed somehow and I couldn't boot off the cd reliably.. it'd boot and crash randomly
[22:58] <tascil> calamari: I don't think that's the problem.  I've done this before cleanly, and it won't work now.
[22:58] <calamari> k
[22:58] <tascil> I have an Nvidia 8400GS card, and I want to install Xubuntu.  I should be able to pop in the graphics card into the PCI slot, pop in the live CD, and boot from it and install, right?
[22:59] <invisime> calamari, I think I was being a touch inaccurate when I said it wasn't mounting. there's a message that gets broadcast when I plug in the usb drive.
[22:59] <calamari> I have a 7800 or something like that.. the free video drivers would not work for it
[22:59] <invisime> crimsun, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9d37a7e6446464f00c9eda620358243009b8a69f (sorry that took so long.)
[22:59] <calamari> had to use the nvidia
[23:00] <tascil> Right, but I can't get to the point of installing the drivers.
[23:01] <tascil> If I try to boot from the live CD, it loads the linux kernel, boots up Xubuntu (with the loading bar), then after a few lines of output gives me an interlaced garbage-form of that same loader screen.
[23:01] <calamari> right
[23:01] <tascil> (or, in this last case, it drops me to the ubuntu command-line, which is utterly useless.)
[23:01] <tascil> After having to abort mid-install off the alternate CD, I have no working system on my computer.
[23:02] <calamari> how ar did the alternate cd go before proclaiming there was an error?
[23:02] <calamari> nm you answered it
[23:02] <tascil> Setting up software; it was right after the HTTP proxy prompt.
[23:02] <tascil> It got to 6%, hung for a while, then proclaimed an error.
[23:05] <tascil> yeah, so, I'm now using the live CD, I chose "install Xubuntu" (where I do not try it out first), and it drops me to a command line.
[23:05] <tascil> why, and how can I actually install xubuntu?  Try a new live CD?
[23:14] <invisime> btw, calamari, the error I get on plugging in the usb xternal drive is "device descriptor read/64. error -110"
[23:15] <calamari> invisime: I'm sorry, that is completely unfamiliar to me
[23:16] <calamari> tascil: the "install xubuntu" choice is still going to grphics mode.. so that one probably won't work either
[23:16] <calamari> tascil: the alternative cd is relly the way to go.. not sure why it failed halfway thru tho
[23:16] <invisime> if it helps any, I started having the problems after I designated one of the partitions on the external to be a boot partition and tried to boot from it. (unsuccessfully)
[23:17] <tascil> calamari: Nor do I.  I was using an older live CD, so I'm going to make a new live CD and try that.  We'll see.  I see no reason for why this graphics card is messing everything up, since that's the root of all my problems.
[23:17] <calamari> another option might be to use a different graphics card to install then switch back
[23:18] <tascil> I have no other graphics card.
[23:18] <tascil> And going from the onboard to the card didn't work.
[23:18] <tascil> Like, I feel as if I need someone to walk me through the whole process, since I'm almost at a complete standstill.
[23:19] <tascil> Like, do other people have their card in the box too when they install the OS?  Or do they put it in later?
[23:19]  * source now playing green light - John Legend
[23:21] <calamari> wait
[23:22] <calamari> you are able to install without the graphics card.. on the builtin?
[23:22] <tascil> Yes.
[23:22] <calamari> if that works.. do that, then put in your card after the install
[23:22] <tascil> I did.
[23:22] <tascil> And gdm wouldn't start.
[23:23] <calamari> right you need to reconfigure X to use a different driver
[23:23] <tascil> And because of that, it kept hanging up, and I couldn't get to a command line, so I'd have to take the card out to get the computer to work at all.
[23:23] <calamari> since most likely your built in card isn't nvidia
[23:23] <calamari> wow
[23:23] <tascil> I did, though; I installed the nvidia graphics drivers, and reconfigured the xorg.conf file, and then the onboard card wouldn't work.
[23:24] <tascil> so then I was up the creek without a paddle, and here I am, trying to get a vanilla install of xubuntu.
[23:24] <calamari> when you get this going again, I recoomend a copy of tomsrtbt
[23:25] <calamari> that way you can access a command line at least
[23:25] <tascil> what's that?
[23:25] <calamari> old boot floppy
[23:25] <tascil> ech.  I don't have any floppies.
[23:25] <calamari> bunch of utils
[23:25] <calamari> lol
[23:25] <calamari> they probably make a cd version now
[23:33] <tascil> okay, it still dropped me to a command line with the new live cd.
[23:33] <tascil> I'm going to install xubuntu using the onboard graphics card.
[23:33] <tascil> after I get it installed, where do I go from there?
[23:34] <calamari> I do not know.. you already did what I'd try
[23:35] <calamari> however, you may want to stop gdm from automatically starting
[23:35] <calamari> then if things go wrong at least you shouldn't hang
[23:35] <calamari> also don't forget about booting into recovery mode
[23:36] <calamari> (esc on boot)