[03:09] <AlexZion> hi guys ; i installed few days ago , the beta1 of Kubuntu 12.04 on a vbox machine it works pretty well , but I got problem to upgrade package ..., and with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, I get an error..., saying try to use "apt-get -f install", byt when I do so , it looks like is gonna remove any package .....
[03:10] <AlexZion> someone had  a similar problem ?
[03:16] <tristenw> hey guys, how's it going?
[11:03] <Senan> How do I take part in ubuntu testing ?
[19:44] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[20:30] <balloons> afternoon Patrickdk
[21:20] <phillw> balloons: do you have a moment or two?
[21:40] <balloons> phillw, sure
[21:43] <phillw> balloons: Chris, our head of wiki at lubuntu is somewhat perplexed that there is very little information on Wiki areas for LightDM. Whilst this not really a QA issue, with the change to LightDM by ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu etc. He was wondering where / who he should ask / place information about it on.
[21:45] <balloons> phillw, ahh.. good question
[21:46] <balloons> lightdm in general seems to be a big lacking on docs.. not that it's confusing to use persay, but seems pretty lowkey on the docs front
[21:46] <balloons> *bit
[21:46] <balloons> that said, the basic wiki info shell is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[21:47] <balloons> I'm sure he found that
[21:47] <balloons> afaik, nothing has been done or written since the original adoption of lightdm
[21:47] <phillw> I believe so, he mentioned it at the lubuntu meeting.
[21:47] <balloons> if he is able, I would encourage him to add to and expand the docs
[21:48] <balloons> if he needs a contact, he can talk to these folks: https://launchpad.net/lightdm
[21:48] <phillw> I think he was sort of asking permission to add to the "main" wiki area instead of the lubuntu area. He is that polite at times it is a bit embarrasing.
[21:48] <balloons> robert_ancell is also a good contact
[21:49] <balloons> phillw, ;-) of course he has permission to add to the main wiki
[21:49] <phillw> I know... everyone has that permission, but he does ask!
[21:49] <phillw> I'll drop him an email (he's offline atm)
[21:49] <balloons> that's good.. it wouldn't be a bad idea for him to connect with that team and robert at least
[21:50] <phillw> excellent, thanks :)
[21:50] <balloons> yvw
[21:50] <balloons> how'd the lubuntu crew due yesterday on iso testing?
[21:52] <phillw> My qa mailing list has gone quiet, so I'm hoping things are progressing well. There was still a fail to install one one of the ppc systems - but he was really pushing it by setting up an encrypted /home. If they are experimenting to that degree things are looking good :)
[21:52] <balloons> hehe
[21:52] <balloons> i'd say
[21:54] <phillw> The last of the install sprint land tomorrow. So over the weekend I'm sure the guys will go check things. They really have taken the mantle up of filing bugs 'correctly' and linking them. I'm really proud of how far they have all come on on such a short time.
[22:42] <phillw> balloons: just to get it settled in my mind... when does the RC for beta 2 get generated? Is it on the cron job for ~ 17:00 23rd March?
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> Hurray, laptop is back online
[22:43] <balloons> the rc?
[22:43] <phillw> wb MrChrisDruif
[22:43] <phillw> balloons: Release Candidate
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks phillw
[22:43] <balloons> i guess I'm confused.. the image for iso testing will come next monday
[22:43] <balloons> I think
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; I am the Wiki Head for Lubuntu phillw was talking about
[22:44] <balloons> as far as when the images are built, I don't know.. I know it's scheduled, but I don't know the times
[22:44] <balloons> aloha MrChrisDruif
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha ^_^
[22:47] <phillw> balloons: he is very good at wiki, I'm sure you will kidnap him for stuff on QA. He has already made fantastic inroads on tidying up the lubuntu area.
[22:47] <balloons> hehe
[22:47] <balloons> our QA wiki always needs <3
[22:47] <balloons> got a link to the lubuntu wiki?
[22:47] <balloons> i'm curious to see the handiwork ;-)
[22:48] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> Please note that I've only been tidying up mostly
[22:50] <MrChrisDruif> Currently I want to update this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels
[22:50] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: do you have the link for alternate / mini iso installations to habd?
[22:50] <phillw> s/habd/hand
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> I already added *an* automatic command for removing old kernels, but I recently got a more humanly readable version from the team
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> ?
[22:51] <phillw> It needs putting on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> The link to it you mean? Just like a link for removing old kernels
[22:52] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: that's the one.
[22:52] <phillw> It really does need putting clearly on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, right. I also cleaned that page up good the other day
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> It's already mention on that page phillw
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> With links to it from both the 11.10 && 11.04 sections
[22:55] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: my mistake, I had the old page cached in my browser. I have refreshed it
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> Good boi
[22:56]  * balloons is reading thru the lubuntu wiki
[22:57] <balloons> wow.. the lxde looks like a website
[22:57] <balloons> I remember the first versions of it
[22:57] <balloons> it's been so long
[22:58] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: while you are here and in great risk of being kidnapped, balloons is looking to re-write some of the QA area and we have been discussing how much of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing may be applicable to QA in general for new commers.
[22:58] <balloons> it was in japanese .. the first site
[22:58] <balloons> the lead programmers homepage
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> PCmanFM is Chinese afaik
[23:00] <phillw> balloons: that may be because pcman is Taiwanese? I know Raphael, our art guy, has learnt the language
[23:00] <balloons> ahh.. taiwanese.. that makes sense
[23:00] <balloons> yes.. I'm sure it was his page
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> PCman I mean, the programmer who made PCmanFM. Not his real name, I'm sure
[23:00] <balloons> sorry I was rambling while remembering it
[23:00] <balloons> yes.. pcman :-)
[23:01] <phillw> balloons: he is a surgeon in one of the hospitals there.
[23:02] <balloons> small world..  For someone to teach me how to install the stuff & carry out ./make commands is true testimant to that :)
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> "For the novice, commands-line interface commands can appear daunting: sudo gobbledegook blah_blah -w -t -h --long-switch aWkward/ComBinationOf/mixedCase/underscores_strokes/and.dots"
[23:07] <balloons> just made me think about the IRC meeting time agai
[23:07] <balloons> you weren't there, but astraljava and I decided to take the top requested spots and have a poll on them.. I was a bit leery, but :-)
[23:07] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: lol, but so true.
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> Does anyone know if that GNOME Shell team ever got off the ground?
[23:08] <balloons> so guess what the results are looking like so far? 2 for each option
[23:08] <balloons> ofc!
[23:08] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; it's straight from the wiki!! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[23:09] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: I recall editing that to include lxterminal for lubuntu?
[23:09] <MrChrisDruif> They did? Because I really don't like Unity (not bashing, but I just don't) and I would like a version with just GS
[23:10] <MrChrisDruif> I think you are right phillw
[23:11] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: yup, that was me :)
[23:14] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: as of a posting at http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffeedproxy.google.com%2F~r%2Fd0od%2F~3%2F_0XQD2tbh0c%2F&h=wAQHxj8gkAQFSmrs-0xdDilV9jAHI2y3o52kJLNAuiYcBig
[23:15] <phillw> sorry for long post, it is from my linked facebook page
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, owkay
[23:16] <MrChrisDruif> Well, that wasn't exactly what I meant ^_^
[23:16] <phillw> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/
[23:16] <phillw> shorter link.
[23:17] <MrChrisDruif> There was a message on some mailing-list a few months ago to get a team together to make a new "flavour" or derivative with just gnome shell
[23:17] <MrChrisDruif> Not this old gnome stuff ;-)
[23:17] <MrChrisDruif> I got the heads-up with the upload to youtube
[23:17] <phillw> although OMGUbutnu have been known to screw things up before
[23:21] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: oops... I just realise we are in -testing .... can we head off to #lubuntu-offtopic before I get complained at?
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> Where ever you like phillw


[01:34] <StevenK> wgrant: httplib2.debuglevel = 1 produces 200MiB of output
[01:34] <StevenK> steven@undermined:~% tail -n 1 qa-mawson-output | wc -c
[01:34] <StevenK> 206338762
[01:35] <wgrant> As you'd expect
[01:48] <StevenK> wgrant: Blah. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5756839/
[02:05] <StevenK> wgrant: That's 3 POSTs in a row, so I don't know what the hell lplib is doing
[02:07] <wgrant> StevenK: What are the responses?
[02:08] <StevenK> reply: ''
[02:08] <StevenK> For the first one
[02:08] <StevenK> 502 for the second
[02:24] <StevenK> reply: '' for the third
[03:59] <StevenK> wgrant: reply: '' and 502s make me sad
[04:00] <wgrant> StevenK: Indeed
[04:00] <wgrant> StevenK: The second call is probably a retry of the 502
[04:00] <StevenK> reply: '' was first
[04:00] <StevenK> So I suspect all but the first are retries
[04:05] <wgrant> StevenK: Wasn't that the response to the initial GET, not the POST?
[04:05] <wgrant> Oh, or you mean that there was a third POST after your paste?
[04:05] <StevenK> No
[04:06] <StevenK> send: 'POST /devel/ubuntu/raring/i386 HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: api.qastaging.launchpad.net\r\nContent-Length: 71817072\r\nAuthorization: OAuth realm="OAuth", oauth_nonce="73131629", oauth_timestamp="13710006
[04:06] <StevenK> reply: ''
[04:06] <StevenK> connect: (api.qastaging.launchpad.net, 443)
[04:06] <StevenK> send: 'POST ...
[04:43] <StevenK> wgrant: So I'm not sure what would cause an empty reply to a POST
[04:49] <wgrant> StevenK: There was no separate status?
[05:03] <StevenK> wgrant: No status, no headers, nothing
[05:54] <StevenK> wgrant: I'm a bit stuck where I should fix this invalid transition critical that you filed a dupe of
[05:55] <wgrant> StevenK: What are the options?
[05:56] <StevenK> wgrant: We can hack lazr.jobrunner to log "Skipping Completed job" in runJob, but I don't think we can impose a cronscript to rip out the entry from the rabbit queue when it completes a job
[05:57] <StevenK> We could also do that in lp.services.job.runner, rather than lazr.jobrunner
[05:58] <wgrant> StevenK: No, we can't dequeue the job
[05:58] <wgrant> We have to handle it once celery receives it
[05:59] <StevenK> Right
[05:59] <StevenK> So runJob can just log it and move on
[06:00] <wgrant> StevenK: Probably. The normal jobrunners only fetch jobs that are WAITING, so it would make sense for celery to skip them similarly
[06:00] <wgrant> Before it even gets into the job ode
[06:00] <wgrant> code
[06:01] <StevenK> Well, we don't have that luxury, since we're pulling jobs off the queue
[06:03] <wgrant> I know
[06:03] <wgrant> But you can possibly check as soon as you pull a job off the queue
[06:03] <wgrant> The job should ideally be thrown away before we reach the common celery+cronjob code
[06:05] <StevenK> wgrant: I can do it in acquireLease() which should be early enough
[06:07] <StevenK> wgrant: But is probably the wrong place. lp.services.job.runner.BaseJobRunner.runJob() should be okay to log and return
[06:10] <wgrant> StevenK: Sounds reasonable
[07:02] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-completed-jobs-for-celery/+merge/168859
[19:02] <fginther> what causes a new password to be generated for access to a private ppa?
[19:02] <fginther> I'm working with some ppa automation which accesses private ppas. I'm seeing an issue where sometimes it works and sometimes it gets a 401. While debugging I've noticed that the password is different each time. Each time the script runs, it uses the same credentials, but a different cache dir
[21:10] <fginther> please disregard my earlier question. It doesn't look like the ppa access was setup correctly.


[08:45] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> is scrolling broken for anybody else in precise? it's very erratic here
[17:16] <popey> chrisccoulson: can you give specific examples
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> popey - yeah, pretty much every time i attempt to use the edge scroll on my touchpad, it seems to initially fire off a load of scroll events in the wrong direction before it actually works
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> so i end up in completely the wrong place ;)
[17:18] <popey> ah actually
[17:18] <popey> i have had erratic mouse scrolling yes
[17:18] <popey> it goes too far in one direction
[17:18] <popey> i keep having to go backwards
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i haven't tried my mouse yet, but it sounds like the same problem
[17:18] <popey> e.g. browser scrolls too far down with one nudge of the wheel
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds like what i'm seeing with my touchpad :)
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm glad i'm not going crazy
[17:20] <popey> two finger scrolling doesnt seem bad though on my mbp
[17:20] <popey> I only notice it on the mouse
[17:21] <BigWhale> popey, chrisccoulson this is happening to me if I drag the scrollbar thingy up
[17:21] <BigWhale> (but I think it is a bug in Kazam)
[17:21] <BigWhale> oh wait ... it's not the scrollbar it's the volume button ...
[17:21] <BigWhale> never mind
[17:41] <popey> chrisccoulson: you filing a bug or investigating?
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> popey, i was actually just thinking about going to buy some beer ;)
[17:53] <popey> chrisccoulson: an excellent idea!
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'm a happy man now. just got 3 bottles of hardcore IPA :-)


[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #59584 in malone "When adding an upstream task to a distro bug, product should be pre-populated" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59584
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #59586 in launchpad "Unable to install Ubuntu" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59586
[02:37] <mpt> bradb, for your first question, commented
[02:39] <mpt> bradb, for your second question, Wikipedia has reached a level of coverage such that it is quite common for Weblog authors and other article writers to link any interesting or possibly-unfamiliar term to its Wikipedia article instead of looking for a more informative page. This raises the ranking of those articles.
[10:15] <luopio> hiya. how do I create a bazaar branch that is synced with a SVN repo daily? where does the repo-address go?
[01:15] <fyrestrtr> how do I delete a product from launchpad?
[01:16] <fyrestrtr> lifeless: can you help me with something?
[01:22] <fyrestrtr> raphink: are you an admin on launchpad? I made a mistake, and I can't find out how to delete a product :(
[01:23] <raphink> no I'm not fyrestrtr sorry
[01:49] <onkarshinde> Hi all. I need some help. I want my l10n team to be member of Indian Community team on launchpad. How do I do that?
[06:24] <funman> hello
[06:24] <funman> i need to contact an administrator
[06:25] <funman> i want to close my launchpad account
[07:05] <funma1> hi
[07:05] <funma1> i'm looking for a launchpad administrator
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #59685 in malone "karma latest actions should name and link to relevant bug/page" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59685
[09:19] <onkarshinde> I need some help in translation. Can someone guide me?
[10:34] <funman> i'm looking for an admin
[11:23] <funman> hem


[00:54] <wgrant> Nice easy one: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/html5-charset/+merge/100541
[00:55] <StevenK> wgrant: Meh, self-review :-P
[00:57] <StevenK> wgrant: r=me
[00:58] <wgrant> Thanks
[02:54] <StevenK> No Production OOPSes? Oh dear.
[02:54] <lifeless> carob may have been rebooted
[02:55] <StevenK> It has not.
[02:55] <StevenK> But we have Soyuz, qas and staging mails, just no prod.
[02:59] <lifeless> oh
[02:59] <lifeless> it will be chewing on fdt probably then
[02:59] <StevenK> For an hour?
[03:01] <lifeless> has on extreme cases in the past
[03:21] <wgrant> StevenK: It's contending with prune.
[03:21] <wgrant> postgres is not very happy.
[03:21] <wgrant> It's later than normal today, but still going.
[03:21] <wgrant> (you'll see it's been like an hour late for a few days)
[03:24] <wgrant> It's also eating a lot of RAM, oddly.
[04:19] <wgrant> lifeless: 12MB OOPSes make bson sad.
[05:12] <wgrant> Ah
[05:12] <wgrant> So that's why the report was so slow.
[05:12] <wgrant> Something is terribly broken.
[05:13] <wgrant> Although given the UA it might just be someone trying to exploit us.
[05:13] <wgrant> Who knows.
[05:13] <wgrant> It looks almost like someone assumed that every quoted string on the page was a URL
[05:14] <StevenK> ... Odd.
[05:14] <wgrant> Yeah
[05:14] <wgrant> It's an archival crawler.
[05:14] <wgrant> Which seems to be misbehaving.
[05:15] <wgrant> Yay
[05:15] <wgrant> No new bug write timeouts.
[05:15] <wgrant> I am safe.
[05:15] <StevenK> wgrant: Still can't figure out what to do in terms of Bug:+secrecy and multi-pillar bugs.
[05:15] <wgrant> StevenK: Oh?
[05:16] <wgrant> StevenK: I hadn't heard about this.
[05:16] <StevenK> wgrant: Currently, the UI omits private if it's a multi-pillar bug.
[05:16] <stub> Heh. Write robust code and forget WTF it does.
[05:16] <wgrant> StevenK: Ah
[05:17] <StevenK> wgrant: But that won't help given IBug.transistionToInformationType() will toss an exception no matter what you choose if the bug is multi-pillar.
[05:17] <wgrant> StevenK: That needs to stop.
[05:18] <StevenK> wgrant: And we do what instead?
[05:18] <lifeless> only proprietary ones cannot be multi-pillar
[05:18] <wgrant> StevenK: In the end only PROPRIETARY is forbidden to have multi-pillar
[05:18] <wgrant> What he said.
[05:19] <StevenK> Should I change that now, then?
[05:20] <wgrant> Probably. You can remove the FF at the same time.
[05:20] <StevenK> Right.
[06:24] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/forbid-proprietary-multi-pillar/+merge/100557
[06:31] <wgrant> StevenK: What's with line 33?
[06:31] <wgrant> The new cancel_url.
[06:33] <StevenK> wgrant: Bug:+secrecy doesn't have a cancel link, it has annoyed me while I was working on the UI and it's one line.
[06:33] <wgrant> Heh
[06:33] <wgrant> k
[06:33] <wgrant> + def test_hide_private_option_for_multipillar_proprietary_bugs(self):
[06:33] <wgrant> StevenK: Oxymoron
[06:35] <StevenK> Right, but it will change when the UI does to show information_type.
[06:36] <wgrant> StevenK: The idea is that you can't make a multipillar bug proprietary.
[06:36] <wgrant> StevenK: The starting condition for that test is that there is a proprietary multipillar bug.
[06:36] <wgrant> That's invalid state.
[06:37] <StevenK> Hmmm.
[06:39] <danhg> Morning
[06:40] <StevenK> wgrant: Sadly, we can't test that with the UI having not switched.
[06:45] <wgrant> StevenK: Indeed.
[06:49] <wgrant> StevenK: Anyway, that test is invalid.  At least it's fleeting, because I have no actual soul.
[09:27] <czajkowski> gmb: see this is why I wanted people to reply to my thread on low bugs so I could get people to help
[09:27] <czajkowski> bu nobody replied :(
[09:27] <lifeless> czajkowski: well, I thought about replying
[09:27] <czajkowski> but you saw to many low bugs :)
[09:27] <lifeless> czajkowski: see, do you mean low as in 'unimportant' or low as in 'easy' / 'approachable' ?
[09:28] <gmb> czajkowski: Scheisse. I actually meant to, and then got sidetracked. But my question was the same as lifeless's.
[09:28] <lifeless> czajkowski: if you mean 'unimportant', well, it seems odd to motivate people to work on unimportant bugs.
[09:28] <czajkowski> lifeless: the latter
[09:28] <lifeless> czajkowski: look for bugs tagged trivial or easy.
[09:28] <czajkowski> ideally what I want to do is well get 5 bugs that people would love to see done in LP, but dont ahve the time and I could try and get people more involved and woarkign on patches
[09:28] <lifeless> czajkowski: there are many - hundreds - of those that are also 'high' importance.
[09:28] <czajkowski> nods
[09:29] <czajkowski> but thought i'd start with low first adn see if some of the smaller tweaks could get people involved and interested
[09:29] <czajkowski> and a place to start
[09:29] <lifeless> czajkowski: 'low' importance does not mean small.
[09:29] <lifeless> it means less important. :)
[09:31] <lifeless> czajkowski: but perhaps we're talking at cross purposes. Let me ask instead, why are you talking about 'low' bugs: what is attractive about them, and do you mean the same thing as I do when I say 'low' ?
[09:32] <czajkowski> hmm
[09:32] <czajkowski> so imo low was small tweaks to lp that people would like to see like the example I gave about cc'ing someone when you send a contact this person mail
[09:32] <czajkowski> lifeless: I was also just looking to get people talking and for people t suggest bugs
[09:33] <czajkowski> but that didn't happen :/
[09:33] <lifeless> assertion: there are small tweaks that are important, and small tweaks that are less important. What association do you see between 'low' importance and 'small tweak' ?
[09:34] <czajkowski> lifeless: I just started with low as a starting point, if you found me bugs that were high I'd also promote them :)
[09:35] <lifeless> czajkowski: so, I'm a bit like a terrier here :)
[09:35] <lifeless> why did you start with low; do you perhaps assume that low importance has some correlation with size of effort to fix the bug ?
[09:35] <czajkowski> lifeless:  nope no correlation
[09:35] <czajkowski> I start with low as a place to start
[09:36] <lifeless> I find that fascinating
[09:36] <lifeless> anyhow, the place I suggest you start is the tag 'trivial'
[09:37] <czajkowski> lifeless: care to suggest a bug then :)
[09:37] <czajkowski> at least you;ve entered into discussion
[09:37] <czajkowski> which is fascinating :)
[09:37] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?field.tag=trivial
[09:38] <lifeless> bug 869309
[09:38] <_mup_> Bug #869309: If folders in repository have unicode names, sometimes I get KeyError <navigation> <oops> <trivial> <unicode> <loggerhead:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/869309 >
[09:38] <czajkowski> lifeless: thank you
[09:40] <gmb> czajkowski: I would suggest bug 353097 and bug 249471 as good ones to tackle. The second might be slightly more complex, IDK.
[09:40] <_mup_> Bug #353097: Marking a Bug as "Requiring Forwarding" text is missleading... <better-forwarding> <confusing-ui> <docs> <lp-bugs> <trivial> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/353097 >
[09:40] <_mup_> Bug #249471: Reporting a bug with an attachment produces two info alerts <lp-bugs> <trivial> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/249471 >
[09:40] <lifeless> nn all
[09:40] <czajkowski> lifeless: nn
[10:21] <cjwatson> lifeless: IME Launchpad's low importance doesn't always imply that the bug is of low importance to the user or group who reported it (and rightly so; Launchpad has to prioritise)
[10:24] <cjwatson> lifeless: for instance, bug 930217 is likely to be of considerable use to Ubuntu, but it was triaged as Low, and I think that was reasonable for LP to do (we could have used up some stakeholder credit to escalate it to Critical, but I think it's better to use such credit for things we can't fix ourselves)
[10:24] <_mup_> Bug #930217: Make proposed pocket useful for staging uploads <qa-ok> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by cjwatson> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/930217 >
[10:28] <wgrant> cjwatson: Don't get lifeless started on multitenancy :)
[10:28] <StevenK> Haha
[10:29] <cjwatson> Heh, well, my other argument would be that if you want to get more people involved then the message of "these are things we aren't currently planning to fix at all, but you can" is stronger than "these are things we're planning to fix eventually, but you can make it happen sooner"
[10:38] <jml> cjwatson: perhaps we just need to spread the message that "not Critical" means "not planning on fixing at all"
[10:39] <wgrant> And "Critical" means "planning on fixing eventually but it'll never actually happen" :)
[10:40] <jml> "'The matter is under consideration' means we have lost the file. 'The matter is under active consideration' means we are trying to find the file."
[10:47] <cjwatson> Yes Minister++
[10:47] <cjwatson> or was that Yes Prime Ministere?
[10:47] <cjwatson> -e
[10:47] <jpds> Both.
[11:12] <jml> cjwatson: I think it was Yes Minister.
[11:53] <mabac> salgado, lost you
[11:54] <salgado> yep, trying to reconnect
[12:09] <benji> let me check my notes
[12:09] <benji> ...for which channel I want to be in
[12:56] <deryck> Morning, everyone.
[12:56] <czajkowski> deryck: ello
[12:59] <StevenK> benji!!
[13:00] <benji> StevenK!!
[13:00]  * benji hears string music well up in the background.
[13:00] <rick_h> StevenK: you still around? I wanted to chat with you. I broke the convoy build setup you had by adding a makefile :/
[13:00] <StevenK> benji: Oh, just that you fixed the unclean reactor terribleness with a branch of awesome
[13:01] <benji> I hope I got it all.  I'm not very... twisty
[13:01] <StevenK> rick_h: Ish. Chatting with friends and trying to avoid work.
[13:02] <rick_h> StevenK: ah, gotcha. Nvm then. I'll send an official email and all that
[13:02] <rick_h> go get more wine!
[13:04] <StevenK> rick_h: Chatting with friends on *IRC*
[13:04] <StevenK> rick_h: So I'm here at the computer, so you can ask if you wish.
[13:04] <rick_h> StevenK: just wanted to have the conversation on updating hte packaging and see what needs to be done. I figure I need to update the Makefile I added to not bork whatever needs to go on
[13:05] <rick_h> we've filed an RT to get it on production so figured I should unbreak things before that happens, but not sure what you had in mind when you mentioned 'unsucking' the packaging
[13:06] <StevenK> rick_h: We should fix the packaging before we go forward to production.
[13:06] <rick_h> StevenK: rgr, so I wanted to ping and get a list of what we need to do so that we can get it done.
[13:07] <StevenK> rick_h: So I think you should organise a call/hangout with you, me, the Landscape guy that admits to knowing what convoy is, and the same for U1.
[13:08] <rick_h> ok, I'll put together an email. I know sidnei is brazil-ish, not sure on the landscape guy. Will try to find some common time ground.
[13:08] <jml> do any of you have any tricks for pairing on LP hacking?
[13:08] <StevenK> rick_h: It's a one time call, so I'm happy to take a hit if I need to -- like 10pm or so.
[13:09] <rick_h> StevenK: rgr, thanks. Don't think it'll be necessary, but will see
[13:09] <rick_h> jml: I thought some people did some shared desktop stuff in hangouts recently that worked ok, but not really
[13:11] <jml> rick_h: ta
[13:11] <jml> How do I run ec2 from lp-dev-utils?
[13:12] <rick_h> jml: you have to add it to your path. I symlinked the stuff into my ~/bin dir
[13:12] <rick_h> had the same question myself heh
[13:13] <jml> rick_h: thanks.
[13:18] <StevenK> I symlinked into ~/bin, it was easier
[13:24] <jml> please remind me what set_schema in zcml means
[13:24] <StevenK> That you have permission to set the attributes exported by that class
[13:26] <wgrant> interface
[13:27] <jml> ah ok.
[13:27] <jml> so, IIUC, you only need view permissions on IPerson to call createPPA?
[13:28] <wgrant> That seems to be correct.
[13:29] <jml> wgrant: where's the logic that prevents me from creating a PPA in ~wgrant?
[13:30] <wgrant> jml: There probably isn't any.
[13:32] <wgrant> Aha
[13:32] <wgrant> It's not my fault after all
[13:33] <wgrant> I apparently reviewed the commit that exports the method (despite it being before I started), but it was not added to ViewRestricted
[13:33] <wgrant> When did that change...
[13:36] <jml> wgrant: but ViewRestricted means "you need launchpad.View", right? surely createPPA should require launchpad.Edit?
[13:36] <wgrant> jml: One would certainly think so.
[13:36] <wgrant> I'm saying that your analysis is correct.
[13:36] <wgrant> Not that the current state of things is in any way justifiable.
[13:36] <jml> wgrant: oh ok.
[13:37] <jml> wgrant: as some context, james_w and I are exploring the LP code base, hoping to make whatever changes we need so a bot can create private, commercial PPAs.
[13:38] <wgrant> jml: Didn't you land a change recently to permit creating private ones?
[13:38] <jml> wgrant: maybe. I tend to forget things like that.
[13:38] <StevenK> Or Cody did.
[13:38] <wgrant> [r=julian-edwards][bug=814567] Add an API to create private PPAs,
[13:38] <wgrant> rather than changing privacy status post creation.
[13:39] <wgrant> 'twas jml
[13:39] <jml> yeah, found the branch.
[13:39] <jml> right. that was clever of me.
[13:40] <jml> I guess it's the 'commercial' bit that we need now.
[13:42] <jml> You know, as an interview question, SteveA asked me how I would build a permission system. I wish I had had a really good answer.
[13:42] <wgrant> ZTK's is terrible.
[13:42] <wgrant> But it's one of the better ones I've seen.
[13:42] <StevenK> Oh, it doesn't serve as a warning?
[13:44] <StevenK> jml: One of my interview questions with mdz was him asking me which VCSes I had experience with, and I commented that I had a few personal projects in tla, which prompted him to say "You've done ... *real* work ... with tla?"
[13:49] <james_w> james-w is not allowed to make private PPAs
[13:49] <jml> it's hard to judge ZTK's permission system based on LP
[13:50] <james_w> which is <person on which the PPA is being created> is not allowed to make private PPAs
[13:50] <jml> except that you learn that it's not easy for developers to use
[13:50] <jml> james_w: yeah, that's from Archive.validatePPA
[13:50] <jml> james_w: which does a *manual* check for celebrity membership
[13:50] <jml> james_w: rather than asked if person has launchpad.Commercial on something
[13:53] <nigelb> StevenK: haha, that's a great question :P
[14:06] <jml> basically, LP doesn't really have an internal language for "this user is allowed to make private stuff"
[14:11] <jml> maybe it should have something like launchpad.AppendRestricted
[14:18] <jml> how do I shell into the ec2 machine that the ec2 script creates?
[14:18] <jml> as in, what key do I use?
[14:21] <rick_h> jml: I think it creates the key and in the log it mentions the name? not 100% sure thogh
[14:28] <jml> rick_h: there's a *lot* of log
[14:28] <rick_h> jml: yea, but when you run it dumps out to terminal the startup bits as it builds up for the ec2 instance
[14:29] <rick_h> it's in there before the instance fires up I believe
[14:29] <rick_h> jml: if you look at the instance in the ec2 web tools I htink it lists what the key is that it's using? bah, I got this to work once, but not needed to do it again
[14:30] <jml> hmm. nope.
[14:31] <jml> I mean, there's a key there, but I can't get at it.
[14:31] <rick_h> right, but does it give a hint for the filename to look for locally?
[14:31]  * rick_h goes to peek at the aws console
[14:33] <jml> rick_h: no, it doesn't.
[14:34] <rick_h> jml: so when I click on my running instace in the ec2 web console it says the key pair name on the left?
[14:35] <jml> rick_h: yes. where am I expected to find that on my laptop?
[14:35] <rick_h> I don't recall, but if you updatedb/locate does it come up?
[14:36] <jml> rick_h: no, it doesn't.
[14:36] <rick_h> bah sorry, don't recall then. Maybe someone else knows.
[14:37] <jml> rick_h: well, thank for trying.
[14:44] <jml> rick_h: the trick is to ssh in as the 'ec2test' user
[14:45] <rick_h> jml: doh, thanks
[14:46] <jcsackett> we need an ec2 ssh command.
[14:46] <jcsackett> well, maybe not need.
[14:47] <jml> james_w:   ssh -A<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:47] <jml> jcsackett: it'd be pretty easy to do.
[14:48] <jml> jcsackett: I remember asking myself "why didn't I do that when I first thought of it?" when I added ec'2 list'
[14:48] <jcsackett> ec2 list, btw, is a fantastic command. :-P
[14:48]  * rick_h goes to look up ec2 list
[14:48] <jcsackett> jml: yeah, it doesn't strike me as that difficult. might look at it when i next have slack time.
[14:48] <jcsackett> rick_h: it lists all your running instances. handy way to make sure you don't leave something running.
[14:49] <rick_h> ah, very cool then. I tend to hit the webui which can be a pita
[14:50] <jcsackett> rick_h: yeah. and the verbose options tell you which branches are running with what instance ids. which is handy when you then want to `ec2 kill` something.
[14:50] <rick_h> ooh, json decode backtrace :/
[14:50] <jcsackett> basically, the less i have to jump to the webui, the happier i am.
[14:50] <rick_h> yea, definitely
[14:52] <james_w> jml, http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Using_GNU_screen%27s_multiuser_feature_for_remote_support
[15:02] <rick_h> gmb: a bit of reading if you get some time please? https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/email_notice_959482/+merge/99995
[15:02] <gmb> rick_h: Sure thing.
[15:02] <rick_h> gmb: first real change in this area, so feel free to be a bit brutal to show me the ropes and beat proper things into my head.
[15:02] <gmb> Okidoke.
[15:02]  * gmb cracks knuckles
[15:02]  * rick_h runs and hides
[15:41] <jml> :(
[15:56] <jml> https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/create-commercial-ppa/+merge/100635 up for review
[15:57] <rick_h> danhg: ping, my MP with the email and updated wording is here https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/email_notice_959482/+merge/99995
[15:57] <rick_h> danhg: the reasoning/etc are tied into the bug and MP description, I think that'll answer most of your questions you had via email
[16:17] <gmb> rick_h: Approved with comments (all about tests and documentation).
[16:21] <rick_h> gmb: ty much will peek at the damage
[16:22] <gmb> rick_h: The code looks fine; good work!
[16:22] <rick_h> gmb: thanks, I might understand how this stuff works yet! :)
[16:22] <gmb> :)
[16:23] <benji> gmb: if you have a minute, I have a small branch for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/bug-972456/+merge/100645
[16:23] <gmb> benji: Sure
[16:24] <abentley> abel: could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/celery-job-feature-flag/+merge/100647 ?
[16:25] <gmb> benji: Approved.
[16:27] <benji> gmb: thanks
[16:37] <abentley> gmb: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/celery-job-feature-flag/+merge/100647 ?
[16:37] <gmb> abentley: Sure
[16:37] <gmb> Merge proposals are like buses...
[16:37] <gmb> Anyway.
[16:50] <gmb> abentley: Approved; nice work.
[16:50] <abentley> gmb: Thanks.
[17:52] <stokachu> hi, using python-launchpadlib to retrieve messages the date_created field are unicode strings instead of datetime objects, is this expected?
[17:53] <stokachu> the parent bug will return a datetime object so i was curious
[17:55] <rick_h> stokachu: update your version of waddlib, that was fixed a week or two ago I think
[17:56] <stokachu> rick_h: ok ill do that, i saw the bug where the date_created field in a bug was fixed not sure if it extended to messages
[17:56] <rick_h> I think it was fairly general
[17:56] <stokachu> ok
[17:58] <stokachu> did the fix make it into pypi?
[17:58] <rick_h> believe so
[17:59] <rick_h> yea, 1.3.1 mentions the datetime bug
[17:59] <stokachu> i have waddlib 1.3.1 installed
[17:59] <rick_h> ok, then you might submit a new bug on it with the steps to reproduce please (or a patch :) )
[18:00] <stokachu> ok sounds good, just making sure it was an oversight
[18:02] <stokachu> rick_h: im going to file a bug and hopefully get a patch but just for my sake could you look at this snip: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/913394/
[18:03] <rick_h> hmm, you're not accessing it via the object interface so not sure you'll get anything but that string
[18:03] <rick_h> I think what the wadllib and such do is convert that dict access to message.date_created or something
[18:03] <rick_h> based on the object definition from the wadl file
[18:04] <rick_h> at least that's my understanding
[18:04] <stokachu> ah makes sense, so im probably just calling it incorrectly
[18:07] <rick_h> all the tests are doing things like xx.get_parameter('a_date').get_value()
[18:07] <rick_h> which return a datetime object
[18:08] <stokachu> hmmm ok ive been looking through the collections doc but im sure im doing something wrong
[18:08] <rick_h> yea, well you're at the lplib layer which uses wadllib underneath so not sure how it exposes it
[18:15] <stokachu> yea im not totally sure either, every way i slice it comes back as dict
[18:16] <stokachu> bug.message is a collection object
[18:18] <stokachu> when doing a bug.messages.resource_type_link
[18:18] <stokachu> u'https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/#message-page-resource'
[18:18] <stokachu> that doesn't exist in the api
[18:20] <rick_h> sec, trying something out
[18:21] <stokachu> cool no worries
[18:21] <rick_h> sorry, not quite an api pro heh
[18:21] <stokachu> me either, took me a week to understand that person and team were the same thing :X
[18:29] <stokachu> andd my internet craps out
[18:31] <salgado> is there a way to do sequence unpacking in TAL?  I thought there was but can't seem to find out how
[18:32] <rick_h> stokachu: hmm, so what comes back to you is really just a dict plain and simple. It seems like there shuold be a way to get a real object out of there but don't see it with casual print dir()'ing
[18:33] <stokachu> rick_h: ok, yea im getting that same impression
[18:35] <jcsackett> given a set of bug ids, is there a set based way to feed them to bug search? i see bugparams can take a bug param, but that looks like a single thing, not a set thing. i'd rather not iterate over the whole set.
[18:38] <rick_h> stokachu: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/913443/
[18:38] <rick_h> ok, so that's some playing, it doesn't support negative indices
[18:38] <rick_h> and that comes out as a datetime object
[18:38] <rick_h> not a string
[18:38] <stokachu> ah
[18:38] <rick_h> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/913444/
[18:38] <rick_h> is a bit better with the output
[18:39] <stokachu> ok cool, thanks! :)
[18:39] <rick_h> so hopefully that helps a little bit, sorry
[18:44] <stokachu> rick_h: thats perfect
[18:44] <stokachu> rick_h: wish it allowed negative indices
[18:46] <stokachu> guess i could do message = bugs.messages[len(bugs.messages.entries)]
[18:46] <rick_h> stokachu: yea, not sure if there's a way to get the length and guess the right index off of it
[18:47] <rick_h> there's a property for count or size I saw while dumping out dir() of things
[18:47] <rick_h> try dir(bug.messages)
[18:47] <stokachu> ah lemme look into that
[18:50] <salgado> rick_h, do you know if there's a way to do sequence unpacking in TAL?
[18:54] <rick_h> salgado: sorry, I know next to nothing of tal
[18:54] <salgado> rick_h, heh, ok.  no worries
[19:12] <lifeless> cjwatson: so, I agree; you'll note I didn't end up recommending 'start with trivial+high', just 'trivial', once I felt I understood czajkowski's desire a bit better
[19:12] <lifeless> cjwatson: and yeah, we have actually speculated about a very einsteinian model for importance and sorting :)
[19:16] <cjwatson> right, more important to be fixable easily than to be important, in this case
[19:17] <cjwatson> of course there's also the importance/urgency inequality
[19:17] <lifeless> fortunately we don't have urgency, it doesn't exist :P
[19:18] <cjwatson> it gives you a simpler and probably more usable model, certainly; still leaves you mapping two not-quite-parallel dimensions onto one :)
[19:19] <cjwatson> I agree that that trade-off was worthwhile, but it's something contributors will likely be thinking about
[21:59] <jono> hey folks
[22:23] <lifeless> hi
[22:24] <salgado> StevenK, hey there.  it'd be great if you could review https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-infrastructure/launchpad/team-engineering-view-ui/+merge/100707 for us (it seems like you're the on call reviewer today?)
[22:25] <StevenK> salgado: On the phone, I'll look afterwards.
[22:26] <salgado> StevenK, thanks a lot!
[22:27] <cjwatson> Are there any examples in LP of something whose DB/Python representation is multiple levels, but which we collapse down to one level for exposure in the web service API?  Say the Python representation is Foo.Bar.attribute, but I'd like to have the API be more like foo.attribute.
[22:27] <cjwatson> I'm not quite familiar enough with the patterns and so it's hard to grep for.
[22:28] <StevenK> cjwatson: SPPH does that when it exports things from SPR.
[22:28] <cjwatson> Ah, of course.  Thanks.
[22:28] <StevenK> return self.sourcepackagerelease.<>
[22:29] <cjwatson> So just exported() in the interface and a @property in the model.  Great.
[22:29] <StevenK> With a test, that should be great.
[22:29] <cjwatson> I'm trying to do something similar in PackageUploadSource.
[22:32] <jono> has anyone here got any experience with intltool-update? I am trying to generate a .POT file for a .desktop like file I can import into Launchpad
[22:33] <cjwatson> Only in conjunction with autoconf/automake, where you do @INTLTOOL_DESKTOP_RULE@ in Makefile.am and declare the files in desktop* targets and it takes care of the rest.
[22:33] <cjwatson> That's a fair bit to pull in if you aren't already using automake, though.
[22:34] <jono> cjwatson, from what I understand i I have POTFILE.in in my po/ dir and just run intltool-update --pot --gettext-package=foobar it should process my file and generate a .POT file
[22:34] <cjwatson>   INTLTOOL_DESKTOP_RULE='%.desktop:   %.desktop.in   $(INTLTOOL_MERGE) $(wildcard $(top_srcdir)/po/*.po) ; $(INTLTOOL_V_MERGE)LC_ALL=C $(INTLTOOL_MERGE) $(INTLTOOL_V_MERGE_OPTIONS) -d -u -c $(top_builddir)/po/.intltool-merge-cache $(top_srcdir)/po $< [$]@'
[22:34] <jono> the problem is that it is not generating the file
[22:34] <cjwatson> possibly helpful if you want to unpick all those expansions
[22:35] <jono> I have no idea what that is :-)
[22:35] <cjwatson> Ah, that's the other end, that merges the translations into an output .desktop file
[22:36] <jono> gotcha
[22:36] <jono> so I have the following in foo.desktop:
[22:36] <jono> [Desktop Entry]
[22:36] <jono> Encoding=UTF-8
[22:36] <jono> _Name=MyApplication
[22:36] <jono> _Comment=A useful application that does useful things
[22:37] <cjwatson> something like what you said sounds right, though it needs to be POTFILES.in, not POTFILE.in
[22:37] <jono> and then in a po/ dir I have POTFILES.in with foo.desktop in it
[22:37] <jono> and I run: intltool-update --pot --gettext-package=foobar
[22:37] <jono> but then there is no output
[22:37] <cjwatson> it has a --verbose
[22:38] <jono> ahhh
[22:38] <jono> it says: None of the files in POTFILES.in contain strings marked for translation.
[22:38] <jono>  -- which is odd as I have underscore before the keys in the .desktop file
[22:39] <lifeless> jono: -> #launchpad, I suspect you'll get more help there
[22:39] <jono> lifeless, it was pretty quiet earlier when I asked, but will try again
[22:39] <jono> thanks cjwatson


[00:25] <matt__> hi folks, have just installed mythbuntu on a machine, anytime i try and start mythfronted, the screen apears almost as if the resolution is to hi or something, a kind of shadow affect that makes it imposible to read the stuff on the screen, is there anything in mythfrontend that could cause this? am using xfce4 for desktop, resolution is setto 1360x768@60 (usibng a 42" LCD)
[00:28] <matt__> xfce4 is working fine all other times, only problem is when i run mythfrontend, it was working fine prior to installing the ati drivers, but as i did a whole lot of other configuration at the same time, i cant tell what has casued the problem :(
[00:33] <zabbadapp> matt__: is it the same res when myth-fe has started? you can alt-tab to get a window from the desktop infront so you know ... and explain "shadow", are you using svhs video-out or something? :-)
[01:38] <Newguy> can i get myth running on a 1ghz p3, 768 megs of pc133, and a raden 9800se 128?
[01:40] <rhpot1991> cpu is a bit rough
[01:40] <Newguy> kinda what i was thinkin
[01:40] <rhpot1991> never gonna get HD out of that, but SD should be ok
[01:41] <Newguy> well all i really need is a box that'll play Dld video and some audio
[01:42] <Newguy> a decent 10 foot ui would be nice
[01:43] <rhpot1991> depends what codec your videos are in then
[01:43] <hads> Myth will do that although it is really designed to record/playback TV as it's main function
[01:43] <rhpot1991> install and give it a try
[01:44] <Newguy> sure, whynot
[06:27] <cmug> Hi, my problems yesterday were caused by the broadcast. the channel mythtv was tuning to automatically had some problems, so mythtv recorded a 0b file which caused an exception upon playback. Should I file a bug somewhere? probably to mythtv.org?
[06:53] <cmug> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/247467 filed
[11:55] <matt__> hi folks, have just installed mythbuntu on a machine, anytime i try and start mythfronted, the screen apears almost as if the resolution is to hi or something, a kind of shadow affect that makes it imposible to read the stuff on the screen, is there anything in mythfrontend that could cause this? am using xfce4 for desktop, resolution is setto 1360x768@60 (usibng a 42" LCD)
[11:55] <matt__> xfce4 is working fine all other times, only problem is when i run mythfrontend, it was working fine prior to installing the ati drivers, but as i did a whole lot of other configuration at the same time, i cant tell what has casued the problem :(
[11:55] <marl>  matt__ is now marl
[11:56] <marl> sorry had to swap machines there, not a good idea to use the computer ur trying to fix for irc
[11:57] <marl> i asked this one last night, but didnt get back to the machine
[11:57] <marl> i am using svga output to an lcd
[11:59] <marl> when i start mythfrontend, the screen goes funny, its almost like when u plug a monitor into a computer with the resolution set to hi
[12:00] <marl> if i try and alt-tab, i get the desktop but the screen is still the same
[12:18] <noisymime> Hi all, I'm doing a minimal frontend only installation and running into some problems. I have a very limited amount of disk space to install to (2gb, worked with 7.10) and ubiquity is crashing out when it runs out of space. I could understand if there's simply not enough room, but I noticed that even if I tell the installer *not* to install all the themes, it does it anyway, taking up a reasonable amount of space. Is this normal?
[12:20] <cmug> Does the windows version frontend work against a linux backend these days?
[13:06] <rhpot1992> cmug: it should, but I hear its bugy still and hard to build
[13:06] <rhpot1992> cmug: there is a player on the cd you can install on windows, works good
[13:51] <cmug> rhpot1991, cool, it would make my frontend machine building easier
[13:54] <jphillip> cmug well it plays videos, its not quite the same thing as the normal frontend though
[13:56] <cmug> jphillip, oh thats not what I need then
[13:56] <cmug> I can play movies with anything, I need something for livetv
[13:57] <jphillip> http://sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/
[13:57] <jphillip> there is a version that can do livetv, but its not the one that is on the disc
[13:58] <cmug> ok
[13:58] <cmug> would running mythbuntu on vmware as a frontend sound like a good plan?
[13:59] <jphillip> not really
[14:00] <ascu1> hi someon can help me? i can't get channels locked.
[14:00] <jphillip> will be slow and you don't get accellerated graphics
[14:01] <jphillip> ascu1 firewire or something else?
[14:01] <cmug> jphillip, true.. maybe i'll just build dual boot then
[14:01] <ascu1> usb artec t14br tuner
[14:02] <cmug> btw, isnt there supposed to be multirec support in 0.21? do I need to enable it somehow?
[14:02] <jphillip> its there, but depends on your hardware IIRC
[14:03] <cmug> ok, I need to read up on it at some point..
[15:13] <seacampbell> who moderates your website?
[15:18] <jphillip> seacampbell several people, why?
[16:23] <darthanubis> I just built a new box!
[16:23] <darthanubis> But I can't seem to adjust the video offset
[16:23] <darthanubis> I have onboard video until I can get a nvidia card
[16:23] <darthanubis> There is a small blue line at the top of the screen
[16:24] <darthanubis> I went into the frontend and tried to change the offset, but it did not seem to have an effect
[16:24] <darthanubis> thanks
[16:24] <darthanubis> I'll be back, still installing the system and rebooting
[16:48] <seacampbell> my company builds mythtv based media centers for our customers and we are looking to use mythbuntu so we would like to advertise on your website under pre-built systems
[16:53] <foxbuntu> seacampbell, what company is that?
[16:58] <seacampbell> MediaImpact
[17:00] <ascu1> how i can tune channel frequency with topfield 5100 signal over 90% in mythtv 48%
[17:02] <foxbuntu> seacampbell, well I cant make the call on behalf of the team, but what I will say is myself (Fox Media Systems) and Monolith Media Center both contribute to the project
[17:08] <seacampbell> foxbuntu, We can contribute with a combined 30 years of unix/linux experience in both networking and programming along with connection to vendors nation wide and an inside contact with Cable Labs.  We are more than happy to help support the project in any way possible.
[17:14] <foxbuntu> seacampbell, you have a link to your website?
[17:19] <seacampbell> www.mediaimpactlive.com
[17:44] <foxbuntu> seacampbell, what? wait a min, you dont sell them?
[17:44] <foxbuntu> they are essentially long term leases?
[17:52] <darthanubis> anyone have an Intel GMA 950?
[17:53] <darthanubis> My live viedo is worse than on my old box with a nvidia 6200?
[17:54] <darthanubis> same amount if ram, but faster ram dual channel now, dual core, and poorer video?
[17:56] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, change your deinterlace method in the frontend, its different requirements for different video cards
[17:57] <darthanubis> thx
[17:57]  * darthanubis deinterlace
[18:03] <darthanubis> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Deinterlacing
[18:03] <darthanubis> I don't see that screen anywhere in the frontend
[18:04] <darthanubis> Outdated: The information on this page may no longer be relevant to the current version of MythTV. DOH!
[18:07] <darthanubis>  In playback profiles under TV Settings, don't see that either
[18:10] <seacampbell> foxbuntu, what do you mean we dont seel them
[18:10] <seacampbell> "sell"
[18:12] <darthanubis> playback groups but there is no "playback profiles" under my tv settings
[18:12] <darthanubis> what gives?
[18:14] <darthanubis> foxbuntu, where is the "playback profiles" menu?
[18:21] <darthanubis> found it
[18:21] <darthanubis> changed it from cpu+ to normal
[18:21] <darthanubis> smooth video now
[18:21] <darthanubis> thx
[19:09] <seacampbell> to anyone interested in answering my question, feel free to email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:21] <danielk22> where can i find the source packages for the ubuntu trunk builds of mythtv?
[19:21] <danielk22> ->"ubuntu builds of mythtv trunk"
[19:22] <danielk22> or better yet the svn for the packaging files?
[19:27] <gregL> danielk22: I don't think there is any yet..laga was going to do a build a week or so ago but for some reason didn't..
[19:28] <danielk22> I'm just looking for the latest debian directory so I can see what it takes to port to intrepid, I don't need something that actually compiles :)
[19:30] <gregL> Oh ok:  I would watch for laga or superm1 then..They seem to be pretty active here..
[19:31] <danielk22> thx
[22:07] <jimboprobs> Hi, I wsa "jimbo" a second ago but I think that nick was taken. I don't know if my message got through as I was booted the second I posted.
[22:09] <jimboprobs> I'll repost my question in case it didn't come through - apologies for double posting if it did.
[22:26] <KjetilK> jimboprobs: I didn't see any question
[22:27] <rhpot1991> same here
[22:36] <jimboprobs> I seem to get booted every time I post the question. Perhaps length. I'll split it into a few messages...
[22:36] <jimboprobs> Hi. I have been trying to get mythbuntu up and running and seem to have messed something up. After much wrestling I had got the DVB-T card installed and it scanned for channels and picked  nice few up. However when I clicked on "Watch TV" the screen went funny as if the resolution or frequency was wrong. (I'm trying to use my TV - I'm in the UK, so it's PAL).
[22:36] <jimboprobs> So, I tried to edit xorg.conf to change the monitor and screen settings to some likely looking ones I found on the web. I used ctrl-alt-bksp to close X and relogged in, and nothing had changed. I did a full system restart, an still nothing changed. So I looked at xorg.conf again and noticed that there was another complete set of monitor and screen settings at the bottom. I commented these out with #s and restarte
[22:36] <jimboprobs> That's when trouble hit - the screen constantly rolls to the point of being impossible to tell what it is. So I plugged in a monitor, edited xorg.conf to uncomment the lines, which I thought would resolve the problem. Unfortunately it hasn't. So, I can boot on the monitor, but not on the TV.
[22:36] <jimboprobs> Another couple of symptoms - when booting on the monitor it says that it's going into low graphics mode, and also it flashes up a few error messages that I don't think were there before, including one saying something like "no config found, looking for myth backend on UPnP". I hope that gives enough information about my problems - obviously I'll answer any questions if they'd be diagnostically useful.
[22:38] <KjetilK> ouch, do you know what the actual resolution of the monitor is?
[22:38] <KjetilK> is that PAL resolution?
[22:40] <jimboprobs> I was trying to use a normal (PAL) TV.
[22:41] <jimboprobs> When I'm using the monitor instead it seems to work more or less, apart from the symptom of saying it's going into low graphics mode on boot up
[22:43] <KjetilK> ok
[22:43] <KjetilK> I have no experience with normal TVs, I'm afraid...
[22:45] <KjetilK> I've seen a few displays that doesn't give the correct EDID information, though, but that's usually LCD TVs, not computer monitors, but that caused my Full HD TV to not use the full resolution
[22:45] <jimboprobs> Any idea why commenting something out then uncommenting it wouldn't put it back to its original situation?
[22:46] <KjetilK> hmmm, no, stuff like that is always tricky...
[22:47] <jimboprobs> I did try following some instructions that were to get EDID information - it said it couldn't get it, but I wasn't very surprised as it's a quite old standard def TV connected via SCART
[22:47] <KjetilK> usually, you can keep two sets of configs around, as long as you make sure the ServerLayout is OK
[22:48] <KjetilK> yeah, the TV probably won't have it
[22:49] <jimboprobs> well I think the original xorg.conf, before I started messing with it, had two sets of configs.
[22:49] <jimboprobs> I changed the first one and it made no difference, which is when I spotted the second set and commented them out
[22:50] <KjetilK> yup, that might well be
[22:50] <KjetilK> somewhere in xorg.conf, you'll find a Section "ServerLayout", which defines what part of the config actually is used
[22:55] <jimboprobs> Ah, yes. I hadn't made any changes to ServerLayout. On the off-chance that the PAL settings I found on the web were correct, I'll try pointing the ServerLayout at those and see what happens...
[22:56] <KjetilK> sounds like a good idea
[23:08] <jimboprobs> Tried that. No luck, I'm afraid...


[03:35] <bazhang> * r0b-<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:35] <bazhang> seems like a ban is in order there
[03:36] <bazhang> ah you got it.
 Is utah banned?
[08:33] <jussi> yes! :P
[08:36] <DJones> 09:35 < ^Phantom^> how am i banned in #ubuntu after not being there for almost a year From -ot, is that a case of pointing them here?
[08:37] <AlanBell> DJones: yes
[08:39] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Good Morning
[08:39] <bkerensa> :D
[08:41] <^Phantom^> I was asked to join here by DJones
[08:41] <DJones> Hi ^Phantom^ Hopefully can get you sorted out
[08:42] <^Phantom^> Thanks
[08:42] <^Phantom^> If I suddenly poof, it's due to the upgrade process
[08:44] <^Phantom^> I haven't really been into the main channel for a little under a year
[08:44] <^Phantom^> and upon joining tonight it says I'm banned
[08:44] <AlanBell> Feb 23 2012, but it seems longer
[08:46] <^Phantom^> I can't recall what I may have done last time I was in there to get myself banned
[08:46] <AlanBell> you were posting stuff like
 Hi ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ＾
[08:46] <^Phantom^> Aha
[08:46] <^Phantom^> I remember that well
[08:46] <Tm_T> 4 months != year (:
[08:47] <^Phantom^> A buddy of mine and I were actually posting that all over different irc networks
[08:47] <^Phantom^> attempting to crash windows xchat clients
[08:47] <^Phantom^> It was a one to two day thing, and we haven't done it since
[08:48] <^Phantom^> I will apologize for doing so now.
[08:49] <^Phantom^> It won't happen again.
[08:49] <bazhang> ^Phantom^, you have a history of not following the channel guidelines
[08:49] <^Phantom^> I realize this
[08:49] <bazhang> not just one instance
[08:49] <Tm_T> ^Phantom^: I take DOS you just described quite seriously
[08:50] <^Phantom^> So if the ban is to be permanent, I will not argue against the decision.
[08:50] <bazhang> how about just following the channel guidelines
[08:50] <^Phantom^> Okay
[08:50] <bazhang> read the guidelines and code of conduct links please
[08:51] <bazhang> !guidelines
[08:51] <bazhang> !coc | ^Phantom^
[08:52] <Tm_T> ^Phantom^: I would like to discuss about this with other parties, which is why I would request you to come and ask in few days what we have decided, sounds good?
[08:53] <^Phantom^> Okay
[08:53] <Tm_T> decided is a wrong word, but hopefully you get the idea (:
[08:53] <^Phantom^> Mhm
[08:53]  * ^Phantom^ watches his upgrade process
[08:53] <^Phantom^> I apparently need to upgrade the OS three times tonight.
[08:54] <Tm_T> ^Phantom^: oaight, if you could leave this channel now and come back in few days?
[08:55] <^Phantom^> Sure
[10:03] <LjL> chu: unless we can help you with something, please part this channel
[10:03] <chu> :o
[10:03] <LjL> chu: ":o" is not a help request now is it!
[10:04] <chu> Maybe it should be!
[10:06] <elky> You're such a troll, LjL
[10:08] <LjL> it's my way to say "i hate you" <3
[10:08] <chu> He's being cute.
[11:08] <jussi> lovers tiff ^^^
[11:13] <chu> You know it.
[13:06] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu multiHYP Asks a non-support question, insults people, then calls people who point out his behavior "trolls"
[14:56] <jrib> ikonia: oh is that the new #archlinux-offtopic?
[14:56] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu boboysdadda chatting with his mates about trolling #fedora and #ubuntu
[14:56] <ikonia> jrib: looks that way, just 3 idiots while the channel is quiet
[14:56] <ikonia> doesn't look the norm
[14:57] <ikonia> one of the idiots has been banned/kicked so many times he was scared to come back in case freenode k-lined him
[14:57] <ikonia> hayloto
[14:57] <ikonia> not sure if he's known
[14:57] <mneptok> Freenode *should* k: that person
[14:57] <ikonia> not looked
[14:58] <mneptok> has anyone given the Fedora people a heads-up?
[14:58] <ikonia> they figured it out quite quick
[14:59] <ikonia> they are now applauding him getting banned, so enjoy
[15:03] <ikonia> 16:03 < boboysdadda> just fyi ikonia i'm not a total jerk. was just in the mood  to bug someone
[15:09] <h00k> well that's nice.
[15:23] <Pici> no idea what flexnet is though
[15:23] <ikonia> don't know
[15:23] <ikonia> I don't actually trust what this guy is saying if I'm honest
[15:23] <Pici> oh, it is what I think it is, lame.
[15:23] <Pici> er, stupid.
[15:23] <ikonia> what is it ?
[15:24] <Pici> Flexnet is a thing used for licensing of some more costly windows applications
[15:24] <ikonia> oh, never heard of it
[17:19] <cprofitt> I thought flexnet was for Advanced Metering of Infrastructure Systems
[17:19] <cprofitt> but there is likely more than one
[17:19] <cprofitt> could be this too - http://www.flexnet.org/
[17:21] <Pici> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexNet_Publisher
[17:21] <Pici> "Due to the inappropriate way the Digital rights management (DRM) works in FlexNet Publisher, it damages bootloaders; this makes FlexNet Publisher incompatible with drives encrypted with TrueCrypt[4] and renders Linux-based systems unable to boot"
[17:36] <jussi> ouch
[17:48] <mneptok> seems more brittle than Flex.
[17:50] <jussi> mneptok: !
[17:50] <jussi> just thhe man I wanted to talk to
[17:50] <jussi> mneptok: could you link me to that script you had about beer?
[19:48] <jussi> thatll work also
[20:25] <Myrtti> feel free to undo mine
[20:26] <Myrtti> thanks
[20:26] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[20:26] <Myrtti> I'll return back to shivering
[20:29] <Fuchs> :(
[20:48] <mneptok> jussi: unsurprisingly ... http://mneptok.com/beer.pl
[21:24]  * AlanBell waves in the direction of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2012-June/001547.html
[22:10] <bkerensa> hmmm
[22:13] <chu> I'm pretty impressed by that title AlanBell
[22:13] <chu> (Whether ot not you had anything to do with that, I don't know)
[22:13] <AlanBell> :) I wrote the title, then thought "no, that is too silly, I will think of something better" then wrote the email, then hit send
[22:14] <chu> I haven't actually made it *past* the title yet actually :p
[22:23] <mneptok> AlanBell: +r has no chance to survive make your time.
[22:24] <Jordan_U> All your mode +r belong to us.
[22:38] <h00k> @login
[22:38] <h00k> @btlogin
[23:07] <mega0wn3r> can someone help me straighten out my uid?
[23:08] <mega0wn3r>  I used the boot fix cd and now my uid is wrong
[23:08] <AlanBell> sounds like a support issue you should ask in #ubuntu
[23:09] <mega0wn3r> I'm banned
[23:09] <mega0wn3r> from #ubuntu #xubuntu and #kubuntu
[23:09] <AlanBell> gosh
[23:14] <AlanBell> well I am done for the day, mega0wn3r you might like to come back tomorrow some time if there is nobody else available right now to discuss the ban issue
[23:16] <mega0wn3r> k
[23:34] <bkerensa> heh


[00:00] <SkyLord12345> What is anybody email? i will add to Jitsi
[00:00] <nacc> SkyLord12345: that's not really appropriate for this channel.
[00:00] <SkyLord12345> via PM ?
[00:00] <bazhang> SkyLord12345, take the chatter elsewhere please
[00:00] <nacc> SkyLord12345: still not appropriate.
[00:33] <SkyLord12345> Hello! I have  a problem, guys((( Ubuntu and notification-daemon Dunst
[00:33] <SkyLord12345> It's did'nt run
[00:33] <SkyLord12345> output is @there is already running another daemon@
[01:05] <JustTheDoctor> i compiled a gui app that has a executeable if i type ./appname in console it will start, but if i doube click the icon it wont load it asks what program i want to load it with, can anyone recommend how i could launch it from the desktop icon? I'm using ubuntu 17.04, xfce and vnc
[01:28] <bodangly> Bashing-om: Wanted to thank you for your help the other evening. My laptop is working fine still, so all those steps saved it.
[01:30] <Bashing-om> bodangly: Hey Glad2 help . A thanks goes a long way to the next one :)
[02:00] <JustTheDoctor> hmm, i just installed yukuake and konsole, when i open it and i type, most of my keys that i input show up differ, like if i type abcd i get something like asfe
[02:00] <JustTheDoctor> and idea's on how i can fix this?
[02:01] <calamari> was helping a friend with ubuntu user last night. they religiously applied updates and had HUNDREDS of old kernels, so applying anything kernel related took over 15 minutes in update-grub. My question is: is there a package that will automatically remove old kernels when, say, there are more than 5? It needs to be automatic or at worst something scriptable
[02:02] <neverme> Hi everyone, when the daily apt runs, it is stopping some services and is not starting it again, what should I change in other for those service to be started again once apt daily is done?
[02:04] <Bashing-om> calamari: 'sudo apt autoremove' . Use the unattended-upgrades package to regularly run autoremove for you. Edit the autoremove setting in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades from 'false' to 'true' .
[02:05] <calamari> Bashing-om: tried that.. they weren't listed in autoremove
[02:06] <calamari> maybe that is a recent feature and they need to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 to get it?
[02:07] <Bashing-om> calamari: Then the a) package manager is broke , b) /boot/ is full and no operating head room . in these events one can renove old kernels .
[02:09] <calamari> well, I was forced to just manually move the old files to another dir
[02:09] <calamari> because to remove the old kernels via package manager would have taken days... weeks?
[02:10] <Bashing-om> calamari: Only need the one booting kernel installed, nice to keep one other as a back up .
[02:11] <Bashing-om> calamari: Package manager can remove in minutes .
[02:12] <calamari> Bashing-om: not in this case. as I said, update-grub was taking at least 15 minutes PER kernel
[02:13] <calamari> and then it was even longer after it got past that, maybe about 5 minutes more per kernel
[02:15] <Bashing-om> calamari: Yhen the system is in a inconsistent state. http://termbin.com/7o9d . interested in seeing how long it takes autoremove to work ?
[02:45] <JustTheDoctor> how would i set a file to have the permissions of -rwxr-xr-x
[02:48] <Stanley00> JustTheDoctor: chmod 755 filename, or chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx filename
[02:48] <JustTheDoctor> thank you,
[02:49] <JustTheDoctor> I'm still trying to figure out why i can launch the app i compiled from xfce4 desktop ;(
[02:49] <Stanley00> JustTheDoctor: it usually just need execute permission, so chmod +x should work fine too
[02:50] <CuChulaind> at what point during login are the bash_completion.d scripts run?
[02:50] <JustTheDoctor> i've done chmod 755 and +x on it,
[02:50] <JustTheDoctor> it still wont launch xfce doesnt see it as a executeable, it asks me which program to open it with
[02:51] <CuChulaind> how can I use this to get a different shell when login completes?
[02:52] <Stanley00> JustTheDoctor: then it simple just can't run by itself, is it a script file?
[02:53] <JustTheDoctor> nope,
[02:53] <JustTheDoctor> its a exe app compiled from source.
[02:53] <JustTheDoctor> if i open a console and type ./appname it runs no problem.
[02:56] <Stanley00> JustTheDoctor: hmm, it's strange, can you run "file ./appname" to make sure it's elf executable file?
[02:57] <th0r> JustTheDoctor, try running it in a shell 'sh ./appname'
[02:58] <JustTheDoctor> of o do ./appname alone it works
[02:59] <th0r> JustTheDoctor, yes, but you want to run it from a shortcut. Edit the shortcut to read 'sh ./appname'
[02:59] <th0r> JustTheDoctor, the shortcut doesn't work because the app needs to run in a shell. When you start it from a terminal, you are in a shell
[03:26] <snowcatman> hello, in vlc i get permision denied for playing my dvd, can anyone help?
[03:28] <David> snowcatman: Try right clicking the dvd drive from your file manager and click properties, there click on the rw permissions checkbox.
[03:29] <David> Then relaunch vlc.
[03:30] <David> snowcatman: Tell ne if it works!
[03:30] <David> Sorry me not ne
[03:31] <snowcatman> David, i dont see that option
[03:33] <David> snowcatman: Try the clicking on permissions rather than properties.
[03:34] <snowcatman> there is no rw and security context is unknown
[03:35] <David> Hmmm... You could try ripping an mp4 from the cd.
[03:36] <David> What kind of dvd is this?
[03:36] <David> Is it drm protected
[03:37] <snowcatman> comercial dvd movie for my kids "a dogs purpose"
[03:37] <snowcatman> just wanting to play the dvd, not rip it.
[03:38] <David> Ah... Its probably protected by drm... Try another video playing application (gnome video?) or run vlc as sudo.
[03:40] <snowcatman> its telling me that vlc is not suppost to be run as root, does not open vlc
[03:41] <David> Did you try gnome video
[03:42] <snowcatman> permision denied
[03:42] <David> Not as sudo
[03:43] <David> ?
[03:43] <snowcatman> um, so far nothing is happening
[03:44] <snowcatman> in sudo totem i dont get anything
[03:45] <David> Gnome video must be loading otherwise relaunch it
[03:45] <snowcatman> ok
[03:45] <David> From the dash start menu
[03:46] <David> (superkey)
[03:47] <snowcatman> ok, i deleted what i had in there and added from the dvd drive. i get picture and other langues but no sound
[03:50] <snowcatman> David,  well its not the main movie, its the do not pirate part of the dvd. not the main part.
[04:23] <RingtailedFox> heya guys... i downloaded Ubuntu 17.04 for my tower, but... i'm unsure if it will run on it.  the thing has a dual-core celeron processor at 2 GHz, a 250 GB drive and only 2 GB of ram... i just want to use it to compile source code for things like openwrt....
[04:23] <RingtailedFox> what are my options?
[04:25] <[n0mad]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[04:25] <RingtailedFox> thankies
[04:25] <[n0mad]> you meet the requirements I think
[04:25] <RingtailedFox> hi-ho firefox... awayyyyyyyyy! :P
[04:27] <capella> Mozilla eh... heh ... my favorite mobile browser
[04:28]  * RingtailedFox reminesces about the halcyon NCSA Mosaic days P
[04:28] <RingtailedFox> :P
[04:29]  * capella remembers running Communicator :)
[04:29] <RingtailedFox> same
[04:29] <RingtailedFox> hell, last year i fired up VirtualBox nd got Windows for Workgroups 3.11 online with Netscape Communicator :P
[04:31] <RingtailedFox> ok. so... it might be tight, but i can run ubuntu on my old tower.  good to know. :D
[04:32] <crash1hd> hey everyone I was upgrading 14.04 and everything was working great but when it got to about 80% done it locked up I rebooted and I now see error: no boot disk has been detected or the disk has failed If i put in a live usb and boot to the ubuntu desktop I see the hdd in disk and I am able to mount it (did a smart test and it passes) I also was able to successfully install the live usb version of ubuntu overtop of itself yet when i
[04:32] <crash1hd> reboot and take out the usb I still get error: no boot disk has been detected or the disk has failed ??? any advice