[06:56] <hikiko> hello :)
[06:57] <hikiko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9cqSxjLs0
[07:23] <pitti> Good morning!
[07:24] <hikiko> hi pitti
[07:40] <seb128> hey pitti hikiko desktopers
[07:40] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:43] <seb128> pitti, how are you today?
[07:43] <didrocks> hey pitti! re seb128
[07:44] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[07:44] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi ?
[07:44] <pitti> je vais bien, merci ! beaucoup de travail et à apprendre ;)
[07:45] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:45] <seb128> pitti, ça te change de Canonical ou y avait pas beaucoup de travail? :-p
[07:47] <pitti> :)
[07:48] <pitti> I'll go to Munich tonight for the new hire intro on Thu/Fri
[07:48] <didrocks> "so… this Linux thing…" :)
[07:49] <seb128> there is an office in Munich?
[07:49] <pitti> I have NFC about that yet!
[07:49] <hikiko> hi seb128 didrocks
[07:50] <didrocks> hey hikiko!
[07:50] <seb128> hey hikiko
[07:50] <hikiko> and desktopers :)
[07:50] <pitti> yes, apparently quite a big one; lucky me, I'm probably one of the closest new hires for that training, so very little travel :)
[07:51] <seb128> :-)
[07:52] <seb128> pitti, you might see gicmo there if you remember him
[07:53] <seb128> he started in december, he posted a photo from the munich office but I don't know if he works there or was just visiting
[07:53]  * pitti scratches head, what was his real name?
[07:54] <seb128> Christian Kellner
[07:54] <pitti> ah, of course!
[07:56] <seb128> pitti, if you cross him say hey from me :-)
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 pitti didrocks hikiko
[08:26] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg
[08:27] <hikiko> hi flexiondotorg
[08:27]  * hikiko hi-ghlights everyone! :D
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> didrocks node-red (from IBM) is in the beta channel :-)
[08:28] <flexiondotorg> Spoke to them yesterday afternoon and they DM'd me at ~22:30 lastnight.
[08:29] <flexiondotorg> They've hooked up git mirroring to LP and build snaps on LP.
[08:30] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: we got node-red for months already though
[08:31] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: it's been even featured, how is that snap different? like, coming directly from upstream?
[08:32] <didrocks> nodered  0.14     mectors    -      A visual tool for wiring the Internet of Things
[08:45] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> didrocks no, not 'nodered' but 'node-red'.
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> Only in beta channel right now.
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Yep, good thanks.
[08:51] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: what's the difference between the 2?
[08:52] <didrocks> nodered vs node-red
[08:52] <didrocks> (this is confusing)
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> I spoke to Barton George yesterday and got him on Linux Unplugged lastnight to talk about the Dell Precision line-up pre-loaded with Ubuntu :-)
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> didrocks nodered (unofficial)
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> didrocks node-red (official) from IBM.
[08:52] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: shouldn't then we get nodered removed?
[08:52] <didrocks> as it's been done by Canonical
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> didrocks Will do today.
[08:52] <didrocks> thx!
[08:53] <didrocks> any plan to publish to the stable channel?
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> didrocks Yep, after they've done more testing.
[08:53] <didrocks> great!
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> We are < 24hrs since initial contact, so this one is moving fast.
[08:54] <didrocks> sweet!
[08:58] <willcooke> morning all
[08:59] <willcooke> happyaron, hey! How is the SRU looking for NM?
[09:00] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:00] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[09:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:02] <Laney> morning!
[09:03] <willcooke> hi ho davmor2 Laney - any signs of snow up your end yet?
[09:03] <willcooke> it's 10 degrees and sunny here
[09:03] <willcooke> :(
[09:03] <davmor2> willcooke: pffff
[09:04] <Laney> nope
[09:04] <davmor2> willcooke: 8°C feeling like 4°C here and sunny I thought the snow was meant to kick in at the end of the week
[09:04] <Laney> seems windy though
[09:04] <seb128> good morning u.k
[09:06] <didrocks> good morning Laney, davmor2
[09:06] <seb128> how are things going on the island today?
[09:06] <flexiondotorg> Morning willcooke davmor2
[09:10] <hikiko> morning Laney davmor2 willcooke
[09:11]  * hikiko hi-lights more :p
[09:11] <willcooke> howdy seb128 flexiondotorg hikiko
[09:11] <willcooke> seb128, We were promised snow, but it's warm and sunny.  Thanks Brexit.
[09:11] <davmor2> is it just me who thinks Waltons when everyone says Morning on this channel
[09:11] <willcooke> davmor2, +1
[09:11] <seb128> lol
[09:11] <hikiko> lol willcooke you are slowly becoming greece...
[09:12] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[09:12] <hikiko> hi TheMuso
[09:12] <TheMuso> willcooke: Thanks for the heads up, we are all in a conference call locking in flights now so the timing is excellent.
[09:12] <hikiko> here we have so much snow :DDDD
[09:13] <davmor2> hikiko: no that is plan b we stick out board motors on the Island and move to one of the Tropics
[09:13] <hikiko> lol
[09:14] <hikiko> here we have plenty of sea but we are not so tropic any more :D
[09:14] <willcooke> hey TheMuso
[09:14] <hikiko> last time we had that much snow in my city I was 3!
[09:14] <davmor2> willcooke: to be fair we've been promised the worse snow EVA! and the worse winters EVA! for the last two years and they have both been mild as hell
[09:14] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:15] <Laney> was thinking about getting on my bike and going to the library
[09:15] <Laney> but not sure I'd make it :-o
[09:16] <hikiko> davmor2, http://i.imgur.com/OzSRe19.jpg snowed tropical trees in the background
[09:17] <davmor2> That's it I'm going on strike till we have snow damn it
[09:17] <willcooke> great pic hikiko
[09:17] <hikiko> :D
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, oh, why? rain? wind?
[09:19] <seb128> hey TheMuso, flight to where?
[09:19] <davmor2> seb128: Burning up in the sun
[09:23] <TheMuso> seb128: My family and I are planning an overseas trip to the US in August.
[09:23] <TheMuso> I'm wanting to see New York, and will return, and they will stay longer and checkout more of the US.
[09:23] <seb128> oh ok, nice
[09:23] <seb128> enjoy!
[09:23] <TheMuso> Indeed, looking forward to it.
[09:26] <Laney> seb128: wind!
[09:27] <seb128> it's windy here as well :-/
[09:54] <Trevinho> hey Laney!
[09:54] <Trevinho> Laney: this https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2254 requires some debian bits approval, please consider adding it to your queue :-)
[09:59] <willcooke> happyaron, ping?
 happyaron, hey! How is the SRU looking for NM?
[10:02] <Laney> Trevinho: okay
[10:02] <Trevinho> :)
[10:10] <Trevinho> hikiko: hey, could you see if there's some way to optimize shadows generation not to trigger https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1623702 ?
[10:17] <hikiko> Trevinho, I am going to add a ccsm option to disable shaped shadows and include it in lowgfx
[10:18] <Trevinho> hikiko: that's not for lowgfx...
[10:19] <Trevinho> hikiko: that's for everyone... It would be nice if we could use some GPU features to generate these shadows
[10:19] <hikiko> yeah, but for the moment
[10:20] <hikiko> we could give the users the option to disable them
[10:20] <hikiko> and then see what we can do
[10:20] <Trevinho> yeah, sure... it's not something they probably want tho :-)
[10:20] <hikiko> yeah
[10:20] <Trevinho> but indeed for it as 1st step
[10:20] <hikiko> I'll see how we can improve them
[11:19] <Laney> Trevinho: do I have to wait for the automated signoff to finish?
[11:30] <Laney> got ninja carded for my beer delivery :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[11:31]  * willcooke googles
[11:31]  * willcooke is no wiser
[11:31] <Laney> O_O
[11:31] <Laney> it's where they just post the sorry we missed you card
[11:33] <willcooke> ohhhh
[11:33] <willcooke> a holes
[11:33] <Laney> APC delivery
[11:33] <Laney> AVOID
[14:15] <andyrock_> hey all
[14:16] <andyrock> looks like I've been banned from #intel-gfx for some reasons
[14:20] <seb128> hey andyrock!
[14:20] <seb128> how are you?
[14:21] <seb128> did you spam them with questions? ;-)
[14:21] <seb128> I can join the channel so it's not a config issue on their side I think
[14:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson as well it seems :p
[14:21] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson btw ;-)
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[14:26] <happyaron> willcooke: hey, just back from dinner
[14:27] <happyaron> willcooke: I need to do more testing before pushing the code, they are already prepared locally though
[14:30] <seb128> hey happyaron
[14:30] <happyaron> hey seb128
[14:30] <seb128> happyaron, had a nice dinner? ;-)
[14:31] <happyaron> yep, :-D
[14:32] <willcooke> happyaron, oki. Please try and get that finished before my start of day tomorrow so we can get it uploaded tomorrow
[14:32] <happyaron> sure
[14:35] <seb128> happyaron, there are a bunch of launchpad bugs fixed by those updates you might want to include some in the changelog if you didn't yet (look to bugs assigned to you, I've done that when I crossed upstream fix commited issues)
[14:36] <happyaron> I did close some bugs fixed in previous SRUs when I went over the bug lists, but yeah there are bunches remaining...
[14:41] <Sweet5hark> seb128, willcooke: https://twitter.com/Sweet5hark/status/819191390999560192
[14:42] <Sweet5hark> seb128: and yes, I smoketested the 32 bit version too by adding up 1+2+3 ...
[14:42] <seb128> :-)
[14:43] <seb128> oh, and hey Sweet5hark
[14:43] <seb128> Sweet5hark, well done!
[14:43] <seb128> Sweet5hark, what's the status of the .desktops for the snap btw?
[14:43] <Sweet5hark> thanks, it was a troubesome journey at points.
[14:45] <Sweet5hark> seb128: there are some basic ones in https://git.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/df-libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap-playground/tree/setup/gui?id=29980f3f79ea804fd32cf88f07b8eecfbb54ae96
[14:46] <seb128> Sweet5hark, so it's listed in the dash?
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> but e.g. they are static copies, so e.g. the translations in there would need manual updates etc.
[14:48] <seb128> right that's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/+bug/1597422
[14:49]  * Sweet5hark just started libreoffice 5.3.0 rc1 snap Calc from the dash.
[14:49] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ^^ that works (if you dont have a libreoffice dpkg installed)
[14:50] <seb128> Nice!
[14:50] <seb128> going to try that in a bit
[14:52] <seb128> andyrock, btw did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/budgie-desktop/+bug/1631745?
[14:52] <seb128> andyrock, the bug has some details but seems to be partially due to the changes you did to fix the issue when sometime the dash was not listing newly installed entries
[14:52] <seb128> could you have a look?
[14:55] <andyrock> seb128: i'm taking a look but do we have the same issue in ubuntu?
[15:01] <seb128> andyrock, seems not, doesn't mean there isn't a bug in a codepath we don't use :-)
[15:02] <seb128> andyrock, our changes might have a ref issue by reading their explanations
[15:02] <andyrock> i'm taking a look
[15:07] <seb128> thanks
[15:07] <seb128> happyaron, what SRUs are you working on exactly and in which order?
[15:14] <andyrock> seb128: I don't see how the patch should cause that issue
[15:15] <seb128> andyrock, 80_ or 81_? or any of those?
[15:15] <seb128> andyrock, my understand from reading the bug is that 80_ has the issue and 81_ makes them hit cases where it gets bitten by the bug
[15:15] <andyrock> 80_*
[15:15] <seb128> sorry other way around
[15:16] <andyrock> 80_* is the delayed monitor patch
[15:16] <seb128> yeah, I'm getting confused, I read that bug a few days ago when I CCed you
[15:18] <seb128> but yeah comments suggests that other patches create the issue and 80_ makes it hit it
[15:18] <andyrock> mmm not sure
[15:18] <andyrock> the bt is useless
[15:19] <seb128> andyrock, thanks for looking and don't bother too much about it, I'm going to ask for a valgrind log ... it only impacts budgie sessions in practice it seems and they are moving to a new codebase not having the issue for 17.10
[15:19] <seb128> so not an important one
[15:19] <seb128> andyrock, do you want me to ask about your ban on #intel-gfx btw?
[15:20] <seb128> what error do you get exactly when trying to join?
[15:20] <andyrock> yeah with a bt I can work on it
[15:20] <andyrock> I can join now, maybe an issue with IrcCloud
[15:22] <andyrock> what can be is that their /usr/share/app... is a bit broken maybe
[15:22] <andyrock> broken entries
[15:22] <seb128> could be yeah
[15:22] <seb128> and maybe they didn't get proper updates before your fix
[15:22] <seb128> and so not hitting the bug
[15:23] <andyrock> but try to ask for a good bt and I'll work on it
[15:23] <andyrock> it's kind of hard to work on such a bug without it
[15:23] <seb128> yeah
[15:23] <seb128> I just did
[15:23] <seb128> asked for a valgrind log or a simpler testcase/example we could try under unity
[15:24] <seb128> let's see, I keep you updated if they give more info
[15:24] <seb128> andyrock, thanks!
[15:25] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1652486 ? if not would be nice if you could have a look, I guess that might come with some standard version update if it's commited upstream, right?
[15:41] <tjaalton> seb128: 13.0.3 has it, which is in zesty
[15:42] <tjaalton> don't think there will be another 12.0.x release
[15:42] <tjaalton> or 11.2.x
[15:47] <seb128> tjaalton, does the patch looks like trivial enough that it might be a candidate for a SRU? in any case could you maybe comment on the bug?
[15:48] <tjaalton> commented
[15:48] <tjaalton> is trivial
[15:49] <tjaalton> there are pending sru's for xenial & yakkety already
[15:49] <tjaalton> but they're still on the queue
[15:49] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks!
[15:59] <tjaalton> other sru's i mean
[15:59] <tjaalton> this could be added still
[16:09] <seb128> tjaalton, right, then that's one for next SRU round no worry, thanks for the comment still (and for maybe considering next time you do a SRU ;-)
[16:19] <happyaron> seb128: I'm working on NM and nma, then fcitx-qimpanel
[16:20] <seb128> happyaron, k, define the order you want between the nm components but maybe -gnome is the easiest so we could start with it?
[16:21] <happyaron> yep actually I've prepared both, but need more verification, don't want regressions be discovered like previous attempt
[16:24] <seb128> k, doing some good testing before upload is good but you don't have the variety of configs and usecases users out there have so we still have the proposed testing behind
[16:25] <happyaron> yep
[17:39] <happyaron> seb128, willcooke, pushed the branch for n-m/1.2.6, LGTM. still have some tests to do for nma tomorrow
[17:39] <happyaron> and good night guys
[17:39] <willcooke> night happyaron
[17:41] <xnox> tjaalton, what's the best way to send a patch for xserver-server-lts-xenial which should only be applied in uploads to trusty?
[17:41] <happyaron> well they looks a lot saner when diffs between x- and y- are minimal now
[17:43] <tjaalton> xnox: file a bug against it?
[17:44] <tjaalton> I have a separate branch for it
[17:44] <xnox> tjaalton, ok. it's just that delta is trusty specific, and should only be applied whenever the stack is "rebackported" to trusty. Ack. Will file a bug with a patch =)
[17:45] <tjaalton> yep
[17:46] <tjaalton> xnox: did you notice the sru upload?
[17:48] <xnox> tjaalton, yes =)
[17:48] <xnox> tjaalton, and regretted that did not get my change into it =(
[17:48] <tjaalton> what is it?-)
[17:50] <xnox> tjaalton, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server-lts-xenial/+bug/1655724
[18:21] <Laney> night!
[19:01] <CrazyLemon> hey guys.. does anyone know whats the deal with this signon-ui (account verification) that keeps poping up like its on weird drugs? i closed the window like 15-20 times and it keeps poping up
[19:51] <willcooke> night all
[19:52] <willcooke> CrazyLemon, I'm afraid I can't help you, but if you can pop back tomorrow morning Europe time I think you might have more chance of finding someone to help
[20:35] <dobey> what provides the transparent pop-up for shutdown/restart/logout in unity 7?
[20:36] <dobey> CrazyLemon: can you be more specific about what's popping up exactly? signon-ui is part of the online-accounts stuff. if you added an account of some type and whatever is using it keeps invalidating it constantly, it could cause such a situation
[20:37] <CrazyLemon> dobey well it pops up a prompt to sign in with an account
[20:37] <CrazyLemon> sometimes its empty
[20:37] <CrazyLemon> sometimes it wants me to auth access to gmail
[20:38] <CrazyLemon> dobey more specific would also be signonpluginpro[15488]: segfault at 7f766e1c0b98 ip 00007f766862a5df sp 00007fff204af7d0 error 4 in libQt5Network.so.5.6.1[7f7668594000+16e000]
[20:38] <dobey> oh so it's crashing then
[20:38] <dobey> is there a crash report in /var/crash/ that was uploaded?
[20:39] <CrazyLemon> dobey its crashing all the time :)
[20:39] <CrazyLemon> dobey would you like me to upload it somewhere? one is .upload, one is .uploaded and one is .crash
[20:39] <dobey> sure. but i can't tell you why it's crashing. are you on 16.10?
[20:39] <CrazyLemon> i am
[20:39] <dobey> CrazyLemon: the .uploaded file means the report has been uploaded to the crash reporter service already :)
[20:40] <dobey> CrazyLemon: so to get rid of the problem maybe go disable some accounts in the online acocunts settings and see if it helps
[20:41] <CrazyLemon> dobey there weird thing is that it wants access for that account and after reboot/X amount of time its all fine again
[20:42] <dobey> CrazyLemon: right. for google account, i think the oauth token only lasts for a certain amount of time, and then you need to "reauthorize"
[20:42] <CrazyLemon> and in a couple of full moons i get these popups acting crazy for 30-40 times :)
[21:18] <TheMuso> dobey: The transparent popup for shutdown/restart is unity 7 itself.
[21:19] <TheMuso> i.e in the actual compiz plugin.
[21:19] <dobey> thanks
[21:25] <TheMuso> np


[06:45] <kraut> moin
[12:36] <ubuntudemon> Hey. Can I do anything to provide more information to this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/220640 And does anybody know how to use ipw3945 with Hardy's kernel ?
[12:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220640 in linux "[hardy] iwl3945 + wpasupplicant fails to connect to university network. regression from gutsy (ipw3945+wpasupplicant)" [Undecided,New]
[12:49] <amitk> ubuntudemon: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/219268
[12:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219268 in ubuntu "iwl3945 doesn't work with my wifi card (ipw3945 did)" [Undecided,New]
[13:39] <BenC> ubuntudemon: we don't have ipw3945 in hardy
[13:50] <BenC> ubuntudemon: oops, misread the bug title
[13:51] <BenC> ubuntudemon: anyway, install linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic
[13:51] <BenC> reboot and try that
[13:57] <alex_joni> ubuntudemon: did you see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4612681 ?
[14:01] <ubuntudemon> alex_joni thanks. but I don't think that will work. I don't have any LED issues. I'll try just in case :)
[14:03] <alex_joni> ubuntudemon: the main point on that page was the "options iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1"
[14:03] <alex_joni> the led is just a minor nag
[14:03] <ubuntudemon> alex_joni does that work from a live cd ?
[14:05] <alex_joni> ubuntudemon: it might
[14:13] <ubuntudemon> alex_joni thanks for the suggestion. it didn't work but I got different errors see : https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/220640/comments/9
[14:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220640 in linux "[hardy] iwl3945 + wpasupplicant fails to connect to university network. regression from gutsy (ipw3945+wpasupplicant)" [Undecided,New]
[14:18] <ubuntudemon> alex_joni : I'm also talking in #ubuntu-bugs about this problem
[14:22] <BenC> ubuntudemon: on a livecd boot do: sudo modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1
[14:29] <ubuntudemon> BenC : Thanks for the suggestion. I've tried something like that. It gives different error messages like "ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN] Device or resource busy". I'm trying again to put more debugging information on this in the bug report.
[14:35] <alex_joni> BenC: it might be that starting the module once confuses the HW, and it won't work until a next reboot
[14:35] <alex_joni> ubuntudemon: try disabling the module when starting the LiveCD.. I think there is a bootoption to disable a certain module from loading
[14:37] <ubuntudemon> BenC : Here's the newest debugging log : https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/220640/comments/11  (different errors than when not using disable_hw_scan)
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220640 in linux "[hardy] iwl3945 + wpasupplicant fails to connect to university network. regression from gutsy (ipw3945+wpasupplicant)" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[14:39] <ubuntudemon> Is there a way to give disable_hw_scan=1 at bootup (using the live cd) ?
[14:40] <soren> ubuntudemon: Press F6.
[14:40] <alex_joni> module_name.parameter_name=value
[14:41] <ubuntudemon> so it's : iwl3945.disable_hw_scan=1
[14:41] <alex_joni> so I would try iwl3945.disable_hw_scan=1 in the boot param list (the one you get with F6)
[14:41] <ubuntudemon> I'm trying now
[14:42] <ubuntudemon> I added it at the end of the line
[14:42] <ubuntudemon> unknow boot option .... ignoring
[14:42] <ubuntudemon> I must have done something wrong .. trying again
[14:43] <ubuntudemon> again the "unkown boot option" thing
[14:45] <ubuntudemon> I just tried again with the same result.. so I must be doing something wrong
[14:47] <ubuntudemon> I'm pressing F6 and typing iwl3945.disable_hw_scan=1 at the end of the line.
[15:04] <ubuntudemon> What about including the ipw3945 module in Ubuntu as an option ? It's possible see : http://james.colannino.org/downloads.html
[15:08] <amitk> ubuntudemon: Hardy is being released tomorrow :) And ipw3945 isn't supported by Intel anymore.
[15:12] <ubuntudemon> After a reboot and using "sudo modprobe -r iwl3945 ; sudo modprobe iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1" I'm seeing both errors in one run : ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument
[15:12] <ubuntudemon> ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN] Device or resource busy
[15:13] <ubuntudemon> amitk : I know but I also found that a lot of people have all kinds of issues with iwl3945
[15:16] <rtg_> ubuntudemon: have you tried LBM? It has a more recent release of iwlwifi.
[15:19] <ubuntudemon> rtg_ no I haven't. I have never heard about LBM.
[15:20] <ubuntudemon> Do you mean linux-backports-modules ? Yes I have tried it.
[15:20] <rtg_> ubuntudemon: try installing linux-backports-modules for Hardy.
[15:20] <rtg_> ubuntudemon: oh.
[15:32] <BenC> ubuntudemon: did you reboot after doing so?
[15:34] <ubuntudemon> BenC : I'm running of a Hardy livecd (RC). I'm running an encrypted Gutsy installation on my harddrive and I don't want to upgrade if I can't get wireless to work.
[15:35] <ubuntudemon> But installing linux-backports-modules and modprobing iwl3945 seemed not to need a reboot because i'm seeing the led_class module which I didn't see before
[15:39] <ubuntudemon> sudo modinfo iwl3945 | grep srcversion gives : srcversion: FDE2E62843DE3ED112A50C3
[15:46] <ubuntudemon> Is there anything else I can try from the live cd ?
[15:50] <ubuntudemon> Tomorrow I'm helping someone who runs Gutsy to get on this wireless network. He also has intel 3945 wireless. Maybe we'll have time to test hardy live on his machine.
[15:51] <ubuntudemon> If there is nothing else I can try I'm going home and I'll try any new suggestions tomorrow. Thanks everybody for your help.
[16:07] <ubuntudemon> Bye all!
[16:33] <boritek> hello
[16:33] <boritek>  My ubuntu hardy heron uses the hard disk too much and for too long. It seems that it is probably kjournald, pdflush, and/or syslogd
[16:33] <boritek> it starts using the hard disk in about every 20 minutes for 1-3 minutes
[16:33] <boritek> and it slows down my system even slows applications like firefox inspite of the fact that CPU usage shows 30% only
[16:34] <boritek> why kjournald takes so much time? (if it is the culprit)
[16:44] <boritek> i made a `ps faux`: http://pastebin.com/d34cda402
[18:51] <boritek> anybody?
[19:55] <BenC> boritek: are you sure it isn't the trackerd?
[19:56] <boritek> BenC, well it doesnt come up in the iotop or atop list
[19:56] <boritek> and i turned the updating off
[19:56] <BenC> is it swapping?
[19:57] <boritek> i dont think so, it keeps having 5% only
[20:02] <boritek> BenC, http://pastebin.com/d34cda402
[20:06] <BenC> No, I mean is your system using swap
[20:41] <alex_joni> BenC: guess -16 will be the one for tomorrow?
[20:41] <BenC> yeah
[20:42] <alex_joni> cool :)
[20:55] <fbond> Hi, sorry to bother with this sort of question: supposing I rebuilt ubuntu-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-generic on Feisty.  Everything seems to be in order, but the driver doesn't work correctly (snd-hda-intel).  I'm at a loss as to why that would be.  I get a DMA memory allocation error in dmesg.
[20:55] <fbond> fbond: (the driver works fine on Gutsy)
[21:06] <rtg> fbond: I'm confused. how do you build LBM 2.6.22 on Feisty? That is a Gutsy package.
[21:11] <fbond> rtg: I modified it slightly and turned it into a 2.6.20 package.
[21:11] <fbond> rtg: It only contains updated ALSA modules.
[21:12] <fbond> Those should work fine with either kernel version.  The snd-hda-intel driver in Feisty doesn't work with this hardware, but the snd-hda-intel from Gutsy does.  I can't dist upgrade the platform yet, though.
[21:12] <fbond> Seems that there's more to a working snd-hda-intel than what's in the module itself, though, and that caught me a bit by surprise.
[21:13] <rtg> fbond: yeah, I think you're on own on this one. I would suspect incorrect headers or something.
[21:13] <rtg> s/on own/on your own/
[21:21] <fbond> rtg: thanks
[21:33] <boritek> BenC, yes i have 2GB swap
[21:33] <BenC> boritek: but is it being used is what I am asking
[21:33] <BenC> boritek: like have you exhausted your memory and progs are swapping out
[21:34] <boritek> BenC, my Gnome-panel says the system is using 5% swap
[21:35] <boritek> i have 1GB RAM 61%used, 33%cache
[21:35] <BenC> boritek: can you pastebin /proc/meminfo
[21:36] <boritek> BenC, http://pastebin.com/d6c5bea6d
[21:38] <BenC> boritek: I suspect you are just getting swap usage and that causes disk usage
[21:38] <boritek> BenC, i never experienced this earlier
[21:39] <boritek> and it does it when i even dont do anything particular
[21:39] <BenC> you may have more things running, or they may be using more memory
[21:39] <boritek> if there is 33% cache it can just free it up, right?
[21:40] <boritek> so there is plenty of memory, and swap isnt really used, its only 5%
[21:40] <BenC> it's still ~90Megs used, so there is something being written to it
[21:41] <boritek> and reserving disk for 2-3minutes it could read and write more hundred MBs
[21:43] <boritek> i shot down may services like, postfix, mysql, postgresql, and it still does this
[21:43] <boritek> many*
[21:46] <boritek> BenC, i also got 100 iowait which is definitly abnormal i think
[21:46] <boritek> 100%
[21:47] <boritek> system is quite unresponsive at those times
[21:55] <boritek> BenC, swap is not being in use
[21:56] <boritek> i am just watching it with iotop
[22:17] <sleepster> how have the ubuntu kernel diverged from the standard linux kernel?
[22:17] <sleepster> and are the changes drastic?
[22:19] <crimsun> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/
[22:21] <sleepster> so what is the best way to dive into kernel development?
[22:21] <crimsun> Linux? BSD? something distro-specific?
[22:21] <sleepster> Linux
[22:21] <crimsun> http://kernelnewbies.org, probably
[22:22] <sleepster> I am wondering if I should first implement my own kernel
[22:22] <sleepster> to get hands on experience on how everything ties together
[22:26] <JanC> only if you have 2-3 years  ;)
[22:28] <JanC> writing/fixing drivers might be a start though
[22:28] <sleepster> sounds good :)
[22:29] <JanC> AFAIK kernelnewbies is a good resource to get started
[22:29] <sleepster> thanks


 @Eickmeyer [@teward001 When you come back to us, critical fix for Ardour at https://code.lau …], if i recall this was fixed already
 thank you to others for handling the upload yesterday :0
 @teward001 [if i recall this was fixed already], That's correct.
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> We're looking at two packages that need to be accepted at this point: ardour and rapid-photo-downloader, with ardour being the more critical of the two.
 @teward001 Do you think I should incessently pester #ubuntu-release to get that done? ^
 i'm already pestering them for an nginx FFe to get done
 if you want to pester them that's your call
 given it's a Critical I would
 because IIRC Final Freeze is today
 Final Freeze is tomorrow, but yes.
 meh whatever
 *yawns*
[14:45] <RikMills> @teward001 just pretend you are Simon
 I am still waking up
 hahahahahaha
 yeah no i'm better than Simon lol
 Simon actually owes me cash lol
 or rather, Lubuntu Foundation probably will if they want faster SLA to their infra issues xD
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> Rapid Photo Downloader update is accepted, we are good to go, pending no other mejor issues hit us.
[20:28] <OvenWerks> Ardour is through too?
[20:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[20:29] <OvenWerks> when will the ISO be ready?
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> Next daily will probably be tomorrow, and they'll probably start making final RCs starting tomorrow.
[20:59] <OvenWerks> I just noticed while doing some cleanup that my wife has a BT speaker sitting around. I may try to see if it is possible to auto connect from script...
[21:02] <Eickmeyer> I'm pretty sure the only way to do that is through Pulse. Not even ALSA connect directly to BT speakers
[21:14] <OvenWerks> Yeah, but going from jack to pulse to BT is not straight forward
[21:14] <Eickmeyer> Oh, absolutely true.
[21:15] <OvenWerks> It would be nice to be able to create a jack->pulse bridge called BT-speaker or something and send a command to pulse that connects it to the BT speaker
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> I just hope nobody would expect it to be low latency.
[21:16] <OvenWerks> not even Intel lowlatency (30ms) I would guess
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> Bluetooth is notoriously latent.
[21:17] <OvenWerks> I know (from the LAU mail list) that there are at least some people who have figured it out
[21:18] <OvenWerks> The best solution would be to use the zita SRC lib to create a BT-out jack client
[21:19] <OvenWerks> I think the pulse solution is best for now. The jack client may become redundent if pipewire replaces pulse soon
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> I have pipewire installed (but not activated) by default in Fedora Jam.
[21:21] <OvenWerks> doesn't show up in ubuntu (at least not 18.04)
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> !info pipewire focal
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> It's in Focal.
[21:22] <OvenWerks> disco even
[21:22] <OvenWerks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pipewire
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> !info pipewire disco
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> Yep, slightly older version.
[21:23] <OvenWerks> good
[21:23] <OvenWerks> one hopes the versions are going up quickly at this point of development
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> Might be fun to play around with. I know the version in Fedora 32 uses the Jack API.
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> Not yet pulse though.
[21:25] <OvenWerks> I think they offer a pseudo default device like pulse though
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> The idea is that it will use the Jack and Pulse APIs, therefore eliminating the need for a bridge.
[21:27] <OvenWerks> yeah, I am guessing that a jack to jack bridge will just show up :)
[21:28] <OvenWerks> There are a lot of people who are not ready to trust PW over jack even with the API
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> Won't be necessary. Jack applications won't know any different.
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> I wouldn't expect anyone to trust PW yet.
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> It's still real early.
[21:29] <OvenWerks> may not be needed for our use (someone who wants to work around it is welcome to do so... on their own
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> Experimental, even, though Fedora does want to move to it as default by Fedora 34.
[21:30] <OvenWerks> 34... what is current? and how often do the numbers move?
[21:31] <Eickmeyer> Current is 31, 32 is in release candidate, and 33 will be in October/November. Fedora does delay if they feel it's necessary unlike Ubuntu which sticks to very strict release dates +/- 1 day or so.
[21:31] <OvenWerks> so around next year at this time
[21:32] <OvenWerks>  (within a couple months)
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> Roughly, yes, unless they feel there's blockers. PipeWire has a lot of Red Hat backing.
[21:32] <OvenWerks> yeah, a lot of things get in that way
[21:32] <OvenWerks> if the pulse-jack bridging is better with pw I am all for it
[21:33] <OvenWerks> that is, basically if they use jack as the backend for pulse as we do
[21:34] <Eickmeyer> Well, the bridge would be PW itself. In theory, if you look at a Carla patchbay, each application, whether it uses pulse or jack, would show-up in the patchbay.
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> Of course, they would auto-patch to primary system out, but you get the idea.
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> So, you'd have Firefox in there, or anything else with an audio in/out.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> The question in may mind is: with multiple devices, where do they show up?
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> In theory, yes.
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> I mean, each device would show up in the patchbay as well, kinda like we have with zita-ajbridge.
[21:37] <OvenWerks> If a jack application gets it's device from the pw backend rather than alsa, many people may not be very happy
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> I'm not sure PW overrides alsa.
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> I think it's more like a replacement for Pulse and Jack.
[21:38] <OvenWerks> So if pw uses the jack part as the backend that is fine and makes sense, but if jack then goes through pw then through alsa not so good
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> No, you don't understand. Jack wouldn't actually run. PW would essentially *be* both jack and pulse.
[21:39] <OvenWerks> now I guess pw essenially rewrites jack in anycase, so it may be that the jack api works directly with the pw backend
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[21:40] <OvenWerks> so one might say pw is a rewrite of jack that features a pulse front end... and video streaming
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> Something like that.
[21:40] <OvenWerks> I wonder if there will also be a pw front end that applications can access directly.
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> Well, browsers can access different devices separately via pulse, so I'm sure that will be the case. Applications won't have to be rewritten for their audio backend, it'll be transparent.
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> I'd say PW is more like a rewrite of both jack and pulse that combines the two.
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> ...and video streaming.
[21:43] <OvenWerks> how does the video streaming affect X and or wacom? (and vulcan?)
[21:43] <Eickmeyer> Nooo clue, but I know it's all on their radar.
[21:48] <OvenWerks> So have you played with pw at all?
[21:49] <OvenWerks> How does one set SR, buffers etc?
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> Not yet. Been too busy with getting our stuff fixed.
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> That and homeschooling.
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> I might play with it soon though.
[21:50] <OvenWerks> my son is "leave me alone, i've got it"
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> My son it 8.
[21:50] <OvenWerks> mine's 14
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. If he were older, then yeah, he could do it, but he doesn't stay motivated on his own.
[21:51] <OvenWerks> I'm not sure how motivated Tim is either, but he does seem to do better without help
[21:57] <Eickmeyer> Mine would never even do his school work if I weren't motivating him. He's on spring break now, but we have a schedule of subjects we follow.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> our spring breat was the last two weeks of March... he never went back :)


[01:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70314 in Ubuntu "Monitor and Display module won't load correctly in Hungarian install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70314
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70315 in glibc (main) "/etc/ld.so.conf and /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* mismatch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70315
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70316 in gedit (main) "Using F5 as Hotkey in the Date/Time Plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70316
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70317 in console-data (main) "constant kernel errors about unknown multimedia keys" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70317
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70318 in Ubuntu "When i insert a dvd disk ubuntu show me a disc named cdrom0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70318
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70319 in language-support-ja (main) "fails to depend on packages necessary to read japanese pdfs (xpdf-japanese)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70319
[01:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70320 in sylpheed-claws-gtk2-etpan-privacy (universe) ""undefined symbol: plugin_version" on load" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70320
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70321 in Ubuntu "self compiled wine-0.9.24" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70321
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70322 in kdelibs (main) "View mode is quickly forgotten" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70322
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70323 in ffmpeg2theora (universe) "seg fault" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70323
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70324 in Ubuntu "dvb-t not work (module mt352 fails)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70324
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70326 in Ubuntu "evolution-alarm-notify-bugreport" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70326
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70327 in openafs (universe) "Openafs-client kernel modules will not build on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70327
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70325 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice Crashes Edgy" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70325
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70328 in firefox (main) "it crashed all of a sudden. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70328
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70329 in samba (main) "Samba and Edgy Eft -> not multimedia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70329
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70330 in firefox (main) "Bug report tool is not letting me add comment / attachment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70330
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70333 in Ubuntu "C-Media CM8738-MC6: Microphone didn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70333
[03:44] <towsonu2003> hi
[03:44] <towsonu2003> can anyone have a look at bug 70293 , it is bugging me and I cannot reproduce it all the time. it happened only twice in the last few weeks... weird bug... grrr...
[03:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70293 in gnome-power-manager "shutdown after plugging in AC  with "critical battery"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70293
[04:27] <Hobbsee> hey sfllaw!
[04:28] <dsas> hmm, if firefox crashed "when loading a webpage with several flash objects", I assume it's ok to reject the bug?
[04:29] <Burgundavia> dsas: likely a flash bug
[04:31] <dsas> Burgundavia: I thought as much, wasn't sure if the assumption was ok to go with though...
[04:31] <Burgundavia> dsas: can you duplicate the crash without flash loaded?
[04:33] <dsas> Burgundavia: I can ask...The reporter says he's "new to linux", does anyone know how to unload flash?
[04:33] <Burgundavia> remove .so
[04:34] <dsas> Burgundavia: Do you know where the .so is? I don't have flash myself...
[04:34] <Burgundavia> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70346 in jokosher (universe) "Close button on the About Dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70346
[04:36] <dsas> Burgundavia: Cool, thanks.
[04:39] <theCore> dsas, it is also possible the .so file is in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[04:40] <theCore> which is very likely, if is he's new to linux
[04:41] <Burgundavia> less likely, but possible
[04:41] <theCore> well, this is the place where Firefox and Adobe flash installer install it
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70367 in imlib (universe) "imlib1 does not correctly handle 32-bit visuals" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70367
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70368 in bug-buddy (main) "bug-buddy can block 'x-session-manager', preventing new X processes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70368
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70369 in realtime-lsm (universe) "[PATCH]  Fix compile error in realtime-lsm-source" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70369
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70370 in libvisual-plugins (universe) "installing fails to add extra visualizations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70370
[06:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64639 in python2.4 (main) "Python buffer overflow" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64639
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70371 in apport (main) "XMMS crashes after 20 minutes of playing music." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70371
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70372 in Ubuntu "Xmms crashes after about 20 minutes of playtime." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70372
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70373 in python-defaults (main) "Crash in Oboe 2.0 beta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70373
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70374 in xchat-gnome (main) "Xchat crashes when I try to connect to server." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70374
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70375 in powernowd (main) "uninstalling powernowd doesn't do anything" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70375
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70377 in Ubuntu "Poor instructions for configuring gnome dictionary" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70377
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70378 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "xinerama does not work for me ( may be the window manager) mergedfb does not work for me." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70378
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70379 in Ubuntu "xinerama does not support dri, metacity does not work well with xinerama,etc." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70379
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70380 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Partitions on external hd are mounted twice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70380
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70381 in Ubuntu "General protection fault with cache_alloc_refill" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70381
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70382 in update-manager (main) "x11-common update breaks because of xli files in /usr/X11R6/bin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70382
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70384 in lighttpd (universe) "LightTPD FastCGI uses wrong PHP version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70384
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70383 in smssend (universe) "smssend core dumps on running "-update"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70383
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70385 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "macbook sleep (suspend to ram)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70385
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69455 in oprofile (universe) "unable to set any event neither on amd64 nor i686 (Pentium M)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69455
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70386 in gcolor2 (universe) "doesn't have a desktop entry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70386
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70387 in usplash (main) "tty1 littered with debug info" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70387
[10:04] <towsonu2003> nice to see my own bug reported by Ubugtu :p (70386) -but sad to know it wont get fixed... oh well...
[10:05] <crimsun> eh?
[10:08] <towsonu2003> it's a somewhat obsolete package and the bug is basically an extremely low priority, so no one would be interested in it -> that's what I meant. bug in question was bug 70386 -no pun (?) intended
[10:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70386 in gcolor2 "doesn't have a desktop entry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70386
[10:08] <crimsun> actually those are the easiest to fix if there's an existing .desktop file
[10:09] <crimsun> granted it's not critical enough to warrant *-updates, but it's certainly feasible for feisty
[10:09] <towsonu2003> that's the hope :)
[10:10] <crimsun> phil bull has done quite a few such fixes for universe
[10:15] <towsonu2003> uhm, if it's not gonna be rude, while you're around,  could you check if there is anything (output, files) I can attach a bug of my own?
[10:15] <towsonu2003> it's bug 70293
[10:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70293 in gnome-power-manager "shutdown after plugging in AC  with "critical battery"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70293
[10:16] <crimsun> looks fine wrt attachments
[10:16] <towsonu2003> I kinda attached everything I could find, but it would be nice to have everything ready bf someone triaged it
[10:16] <crimsun> power management isn't my area
[10:16] <towsonu2003> okay, that's good enough for me :) thanks
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70388 in alexandria (universe) "Crash when adding book manually" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70388
[10:27] <towsonu2003> gotta go.. see you :) [thanks for the help crimsun]
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70389 in gaim (main) "Crashing after starting after hibernation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70389
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70390 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "Broken include/asm symlink to "asm-" in kernel headers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70390
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70392 in gnome-power-manager (main) "When I use non english language g-p-m show wrong icon for full-batery" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70392
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70393 in Ubuntu "Powershot does not work since upgrade to Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70393
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70391 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "Edgy: the free ati driver does not support the ATi Mobility Radeon X1300 - vesa used as fallback" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70391
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70394 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) "Support of file move operations would be nice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70394
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70395 in firefox (main) "Crashed on first boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70395
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70396 in Ubuntu "No mouse on Boot after long off time...." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70396
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70397 in kdepim (main) "Misleading error message with failed SMTP auth" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70397
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70399 in revelation (universe) "revelation: could not import gnome.applet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70399
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70400 in kubuntu-meta (main) "digikam viewer shows black photos in kde 355" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70400
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70401 in xmule (universe) "Does not connect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70401
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70402 in deskbar-applet (main) "Search on wikipedia opens firefox. When you close firefox you cannot launch it again. It keeps saying Firefox is already running." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70402
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70403 in Ubuntu "Strange loss of colors in text-mode terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70403
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70404 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed when using the Back button on Bibble Labs site" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70404
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68888 in mdadm (main) "Edgy hangs for ~7 minutes during boot (logs included)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68888
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70405 in digikam (universe) "Image editor shows black screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70405
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69395 in amarok (main) "Slow collection scan only completes 44% and crashes after white screening" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69395
[01:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70406 in dvipng (universe) "Latin 1 character in banner" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70406
[01:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70407 in python-support (main) "no 3rd party packages can be imported, /var/lib/python-support/python2.4 empty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70407
[01:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70408 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Crashed on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70408
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70410 in firefox (main) "crash when closing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70410
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70411 in firefox (main) "firefox froze when dragging bookmark icon to toolbar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70411
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70409 in libgphoto2 (main) ""Could not claim IO device": Fuji F30, Edgy, *Fix included*" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70409
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70412 in firefox (main) "Firefox in ubuntu 6.10 Edgy does not play video streams" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70412
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70413 in rhythmbox (main) "column resizing behavior is not predictable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70413
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70414 in realplayer (multiverse) "Random crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70414
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70415 in firefox (main) "Crash with Edgy 64 bit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70415
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70417 in kdebase (main) ""safely remove" isnt safe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70417
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70418 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "HP DV4285EA (x700 Mobility) - Change between xorg to text console and wireless and mute lights don't work when enabled. (Kubuntu)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70418
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70419 in metacity (main) "Wish: Improve drag&drop: raise window on mouseup & drag&drop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70419
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70420 in python2.4 (main) "crash while loading Anwendungen-"Hinzufuegen/Entfernen" dialoge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70420
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70421 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice 2.04 writer in edgy crashes almost always when clicking on images" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70421
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70422 in cddb.bundle (universe) "[Feisty] [Merge]  cddb.bundle 0.2-2.2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70422
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70423 in bittorrent (main) "When I launch, bittorrent asks for a meta file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70423
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70424 in knights (universe) "crashes when trying to perform castle (king/rook exchange)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70424
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70425 in gutenprint (main) "Default driver for Samsung ML-1750 is not "perfect"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70425
[03:34] <bddebian> Boo
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70426 in beagle (main) "process beagled-helper eats up all RAM in under a minute." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70426
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70427 in gnustep-dl2 (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync gnustep-dl2 (0.10.1-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70427
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70428 in evince (main) "Certain PDFs caused huge memory usage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70428
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70429 in kdebase (main) "config uses 'kview' which is not installed by default." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70429
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70430 in tetex-bin (main) "Kile-Tetex Bundle at Installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70430
[03:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68850 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "ralink wifi driver can't scan networks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68850
[03:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70431 in gnustep-netclasses (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync gnustep-netclasses  (0.0.20040112.dfsg-0.2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70431
[03:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70432 in xorg (main) "Buttons/Buttonmapping not automatically added to xorg.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70432
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70433 in grouch.app (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync grouch.app (0.0.20061002-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70433
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70434 in Ubuntu "(Kernel)Update prohibits mounting audio-CD on Kubuntu [workaround inside] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70434
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70435 in Ubuntu "Openoffice crashes pasting into Java" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70435
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70436 in lusernet.app (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync lusernet.app (0.4.2-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70436
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70438 in pantomime1.2 (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync pantomime1.2 (1.2.0~pre2.dfsg-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70438
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70439 in evolution (main) "Emacs keybindings not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70439
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70440 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "[WISHLIST]  More comprehensive firmwares for USB DVB devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70440
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70441 in ubiquity (main) "when installing ubuntu 6.10 i got 'installer crashed' message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70441
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70442 in belpic (universe) "/var/run/openct/status: No such file or directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70442
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70444 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu Edgy 6.10 & Dell Latitude D620:  Desktop install fails (X server)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70444
[05:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70443 in kino (main) "segfault trying to open a (kino) smil file" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70443
[05:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70445 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu Edgy 6.10 & Dell Latitude D620:  Alternate install fails (I/O error)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70445
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70446 in Ubuntu "Logitech, Inc. Internet Keyboard listed as Generic 105-key (Intl) PC in prefs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70446
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70447 in kde-systemsettings (main) "kde-systemsettings cannot cope with UUID= entries in fstab" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70447
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70448 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 & Dell Latitude D620:  freezes accesing disk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70448
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70449 in devede (multiverse) "when installed from 'Add/remove programs' missing dep vcdimager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70449
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70450 in mono (main) "mono crashes in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70450
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70451 in kpowersave (universe) "screen does not unblack properly after lid open" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70451
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70452 in gcompris (main) "gcompris segfaults when started in xinerama" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70452
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70453 in hal (main) "volume.label should be preferred as the desired_mount_point for iPods" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70453
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70454 in Ubuntu "Not an option to hide or disable the "Hibernate computer" button in the logout screen of KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70454
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70455 in belpic (universe) "dependencies seem incomplete" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70455
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70456 in epiphany-browser (main) "Epiphany crashes, if I try to rename a bookmark" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70456
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70457 in adept (main) "Kubuntu ships with Ubuntu sources only" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70457
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70458 in ktorrent (main) ""Country" column in infowidget plugin always shows NA" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70458
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70459 in evolution (main) "Fine tune calendar publishing frequency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70459
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70460 in evolution (main) "Caldav support missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70460
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70461 in multisync (universe) "Multisync does always use default Adressbook and ignores changed setting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70461
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70462 in multisync (universe) "Entries with picture will end up not being synchronized completely" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70462
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70464 in bug-buddy (main) "Please disable bug-buddy crash notifications!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70464
[07:27] <pygi> sfllaw, ping
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70465 in curl (main) "bzflag crashes with curl release 7.15.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70465
[07:34] <secretlondon> hi
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70466 in mldonkey (universe) "DNS resolution does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70466
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70467 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) "Occationally failure to write CD-R requires reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70467
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70468 in jack-audio-connection-kit (universe) "Error message jackd can't open alsa sequencer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70468
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70471 in denemo (main) "Printing doesn't work if xpdf binary isn't installed - denemo should use evince or depend on xpdf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70471
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70472 in apmd (main) "Power Switch will no longer soft power off..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70472
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70473 in gaim (main) "gaim crashes whithout clear reason/action" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70473
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70474 in apmd (main) "Poweroff kinda powers off..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70474
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70475 in gftp (main) "crash after uploading a file with ssh" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70475
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70478 in Ubuntu "MighyMouse Side scrolling doesn't work..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70478
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70479 in rhythmbox (main) "Firefox/flash fights over audio device with other apps (and finally looses)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70479
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70480 in noteedit (universe) "Printing doesn't work if abcm2ps binary isn't installed - noteedit should depend or at least recommend on abcm2ps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70480
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70481 in kdebase (main) "Pressing cancel or 'end current session' will both close the session and will give a crash (only when logout options are disabled)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70481
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70482 in qvamps (universe) "Crash when trying to copy DVD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70482
[08:48] <jrib> what's the right thing to do with bugs related to things like flash not having sound?  Reject since we can't really fix it?
[08:49] <secretlondon> work out which flash I guess - it'll be a dupe anyway if its flash 7
[08:49] <secretlondon> thats a long standing bug
[08:49] <jrib> yeah I asked him to try the beta since it uses alsa
[08:50] <jrib> But I found the similar bugs all got rejected before
[08:50] <secretlondon> I'd dupe them personally. yes we can't fix stuff in close source things but it keeps them all together
[08:51] <jrib> alright, should I dupe now or leave it needinfo until he responds?
[08:51] <secretlondon> i'd dupe it - we know it'll be the flash 7 no sound issue
[08:52] <jrib> k thanks
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70483 in openntpd (universe) "default/sample configuration missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70483
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69148 in apt (main) "'apt-get install somepackage' tells me I have packages to autoremove." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69148
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70484 in uim (universe) "uim_anthy doesn't come in the package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70484
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70485 in dvd+rw-tools (main) ":-[ SYNCHRONOUS FLUSH CACHE failed with SK=8h/ASC=00h/ACQ=00h] : Input/output error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70485
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70486 in uim (universe) "Different mount points for usb devices at each boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70486
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70488 in xorg (main) "Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy: Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70488
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70489 in gparted (main) "Reovable media gets mounted halfway through format" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70489
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70490 in Ubuntu "Some System>Administration> menu entries no longer works" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70490
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70491 in scilab (multiverse) "scilab won't install on edgy x64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70491
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70492 in scilab (multiverse) "Scilab editor only works with tk8.4-dev installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70492
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70493 in firefox (main) "/var/crash/_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.1000.crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70493
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70494 in Ubuntu "[Edgy]  hotkey + snd-hda-intel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70494
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70495 in rpy (universe) "python-rpy doesn't follow debian python policy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70495
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70496 in Ubuntu "installation on reiserfs fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70496
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70497 in nvu (universe) "crash when selecting page setup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70497
[10:43] <sfllaw> pygi: Hello.
[10:43] <sfllaw> I've got about five minutes before I have to run off.
[10:43] <sfllaw> Do you have any bugs for me to look at?
[10:45] <secretlondon> sfllaw: theres nothing special that i know of
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70498 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when loading the new yahoo mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70498
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69396 in Ubuntu (main) "Repository edgy-commercial seems empty (Opera,... not available)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69396
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70501 in slune (universe) "Slune crashes almost instantly with Soya unknown GL error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70501
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70502 in Ubuntu "Battery consumption running rampant ...." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70502


[00:21]  * OvenWerks has a firewire device
[00:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I just got another FW cable delivered... and right from the get go, a2jmidid was showing the midi from my audiofire 12.
[00:56] <OvenWerks> \o/
[00:57] <OvenWerks> So alsa shows this as an alsa device but shows no controls... which is a problem because it's last use was with sync set to wordclock
[00:59] <OvenWerks> ffado mixer does show all the controls (It appears the alsa team just didn't bother to roll this part into the alsa drivers)
[01:01] <OvenWerks> however, it will not allow me _set_ anything :P
[01:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: YAY! aw....
[01:07] <OvenWerks> It's all good. It means at least I have something to work with. It means that if I get another motherboard in a few years an I can't get a pci adapter to wor with my D66, I have another option. It means I can get rid of the AudioPCI if there in only one PCI slot.
[01:08] <OvenWerks> but make supper for my son and I first I think. (I will also finish the stuff I am doing with -controls)
[01:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Cool!
[05:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I have made a Master output ports variable so that when switching to/from headphones it switches the right ports if the user is using spdif out (system:playback_9/10  or 11/12 on some systems)
[05:24] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: question, should autojack look for applications connecting to sytem:playback_1/2 and auto move them to those master ports?
[06:50] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: firewire seems to be easy.
[06:53] <OvenWerks> I added a file like: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wdmvg4zJxv/ called blacklist-studio.conf to /etc/modprobe.d/
[06:54] <OvenWerks> then rebooted.
[06:55] <OvenWerks> after reboot FFADO mixer gave me full access and I could change sync to internal
[06:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh sweet! Maybe we can about-face and support Firewire then.
[06:55] <OvenWerks> I think so.
[06:56] <OvenWerks> The port names are odd... firewire_pcm:0014860268b568f1_Unknown_in
[06:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nice. Great work!
[06:56] <OvenWerks> firewire_pcm:0014860268b568f1_Unknown0_in
[06:57] <OvenWerks> But I think now that I have changed the sync to internal, I could go back to the alsa modules.
[06:57] <OvenWerks> then the port names would make sense
[06:58] <OvenWerks> I think my mixer controls (aside from sync and sr) would still work too.
[06:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's really cool.
[06:59] <OvenWerks> qjackctl has given me hints for the commands to give... no device name, 3 periods
[06:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, if it works it works.
[07:01] <OvenWerks> I will add a switch to -controls->system tab to switch between alsa and ffado
[07:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Perfect. :)
[07:01] <OvenWerks> with a warning that a reboot is required
[07:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Even better.
[07:02] <OvenWerks> I have felt bad to remove FW from the start.... I am using even older hardware after all.
[07:03] <OvenWerks> with my next mother board I may be forced to move to firewire.
[07:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yikes. PCIe audio interfaces are expensive.
[07:36] <OvenWerks> PCIe firewire interfaces are not bad though :)
[07:37] <OvenWerks> the fw interface I paid the shipping
[07:37] <OvenWerks> gn
[15:06]  * OvenWerks notes that the pages at: https://www.alsa-project.org/wiki/Main_Page are sadly out of date.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> While it is true that the ALSA API has not changed much if at all, the list of devices, articles etc. is of no use unless someone actually has one of the listed devices.
[15:09] <OvenWerks> There are many broken links, some of the articles are 20 years old...
[17:55] <OvenWerks> The jack FW backend is backwards to ALSA. The FW backend show the raw device instead of the system:type_number alias
[17:55] <OvenWerks> but those are there too.
[18:04] <OvenWerks> I think the reason for this is that with firewire, more than one device can show up and will automatically all be connected. (if they are not synced there will be xruns) Also, it seems jack FW will pass on device portnames.
[18:05] <OvenWerks> so if the device calls a port mic2 that will show up and another port might be line_in
[18:06] <OvenWerks> However it means for at least some things I will have to look up port aliases... and soon maybe "pretty names" as well.


[03:53] <sergio-br22> Hi
[03:54] <sergio-br22> Is odroid-u3 a good option to use together ubuntu?
[03:55] <sergio-br22> graphic driver is like nvidia in desktop? Do you have FOSS and binary options?
[05:05] <sergio-br22> hey FunkyPenguin


[00:28] <belkinsa> Question: Is MoinMoin wiki markup based on something?
[00:46] <phillw> belkinsa: http://moinmo.in/
[00:46] <belkinsa> Duh, I could of looked that up myself.
[00:47] <phillw> ub ubuntu has its own CSS ... as to the people accepting css that works is and has always been a problem.
[00:48] <phillw> It is why I no longer ask people to help... they help and propose fix and it never happens... it is a good way to get people to give up on helping.
[00:52] <knome> first, i don't think anybody had a problem with the css. second, how does ranting help?
[00:56] <phillw> knome: with the greatest respect, I had a css person look over the errors on ubuntu wiki pages. some of the corrections were applied, some were not. This goes back a couple of years. And as for ranting?..... when you head but a brick wall year after year... you will decide to call a spade a spade, and an eejit an eejit.
[00:58] <knome> i guess i understand your frustration, but i have a hard time understanding rants in team channels. nobody here can solve your problem with the canonical IS
[00:59] <phillw> knome: the css was found to be wrong and some of it was replaced... you fail to understand the 'fun' I had before I resigned from such eejits who have no idea of the actual problem and are simply more concentrated on getting elected to some 'council'... you know full well what happened to ubuntu beginners team when it went council. Let us not pretend councils are killing ubuntu.
[01:01] <belkinsa> Are is the mailing-list server lagging a bit?
[01:01] <belkinsa> Or not.
[01:02] <phillw> belkinsa: the servers can be hit... I was told that there was some spam kicking about so the servers may be under stress.
[01:03] <belkinsa> Ah.  It looks like Yahoo kicked me off when I sent that e-mail the first time.
[01:03] <knome> phillw, maybe i do fail to understand what you've been through, but it doesn't really warrant ranting over it on a random channel, at a random time
[01:04] <knome> belkinsa, re: mailing list, not exactly. but i guess since such pages exist...
[01:05] <belkinsa> They do and it seems that no one has ever used them.  And I think it is what eagles0513875 is looking for.
[01:05] <knome> i've just edited the page
[01:05] <phillw> knome: I'm not ranting :) I'm at peece... I am looking forward to learning how https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/964705 is solved and how lubuntu 14.10 moves forward.
[01:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 964705 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:05] <belkinsa> What one?
[01:05] <knome> also dropped the note about personal pages, because we purged them some time ago
[01:06] <knome> belkinsa, the one you asked about... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Communication
[01:06] <belkinsa> Ah, right, right.
[01:07] <phillw> knome: and for once... mark has not thrown his toys out of the pram. That is always good :D
[01:07] <belkinsa> And is there a way to make sandbox pages invisible to the admins and subscribers?
[01:08] <phillw> belkinsa: invisble? I doubt, sandbox... dead easy :)
[01:09] <knome> phillw, good luck with it.
[01:12] <phillw> knome: as bhodi-zazen (the founder of ubuntu beginners team) has agreed to help make the non-pae kernel... I'm hopeful that he will make it. For the others who doubt? Well, go bet against the founder of UBT.
[01:13] <phillw> It's not *what* you know... it is *who* you know.
[01:13] <knome> i thought we ended the ranting already?
[01:14] <phillw> it appears that people doubt that I am committed... it is at that point I get into rant mode....
[01:15] <phillw> so many people telling me that I cannot make it happen.... so many idiots... I only need one person who can make it happen... such fun :P
[01:17] <knome> phillw, i'm not judging whether you are committed or not. i'm saying you should stop the ranting.
[01:20] <knome> i'm off for now, see you all later
[01:22] <phillw> knome: the Release squad  should not over ride the release team members... it was the idea that us flavours had the 'yes' or 'no' at release time... receiving a complaint from an OP for a 'release' that we said was not to be released and getting a complaint that it broke some ones computer?.... How would you feel if if that happened with kubuntu and got a people making comments that it is crap?
[01:24]  * belkinsa eyerolls
[01:30] <phillw> belkinsa: such is life.... you can understand why I do not engage people in conversation :)
[01:31] <belkinsa> I can, but sometimes the tone is a bit rant like.
[01:31] <belkinsa> Is the Community Help Wiki having loading issues?
[01:34] <phillw> belkinsa: I'm a  blunt northerner .... I call a spade a spade and a shovel a shovel....
[01:37] <phillw> belkinsa: (and knome ) have a read of http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6210074/Northern-humour-in-jokes.html and then work out why I hate 'councils' :)
[02:13] <belkinsa> Planning this Global Wiki Jam will be harder than I thought....sigh.
[11:50] <CrazyLemon> hey guys
[11:51] <CrazyLemon> i'm translating trusty docs and i encountered a strange string.. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/sl/116/+translate     the last bit sounds strange to me
[11:51] <CrazyLemon> "when you log into your account THEM" ?
[11:52] <knome> "in them" i guess
[11:52] <CrazyLemon> ahh.. that makes sense
[11:52] <CrazyLemon> thanks knome
[11:52] <knome> np.
[11:52] <knome> anybody working on ubuntu-docs that could update the original string?
[12:03] <CrazyLemon> while on subject updating strings.. string #128 has 'providors' which should probably be 'providers'
[12:04] <CrazyLemon> string #143 has 'slect'
[12:05]  * CrazyLemon wonders if he's flooding the channel with these reports
[12:12] <knome> CrazyLemon, if you're familiar with bzr (and willing to dig deeper), you could send a merge proposal
[12:13] <CrazyLemon> knome i'm familiar but i dont want to download the whole repo just for few typos
[12:16] <knome> CrazyLemon, you could do a --lightweight branch
[15:14] <dsmythies> CrazyLemon: I'll take care of your issues. Your first issue is line 88 of accounts-add.page. Delete them. Your third issue is line 43 of accounts-add.page. Second issue: accounts-provider-not-available.page:31. In future is would be great if you could submit bug reports.
[15:15] <CrazyLemon> dsmythies delete what? i'm translating the docs.. i didnt build it yet
[15:19] <dsmythies> dsmythies: I was just saying what needs to be done: I.E. After you have added the accounts, each application you have selected will  automatically use those credentials when you log into your account.
[15:29] <dsmythies> CrazyLemon: Your typo corrections have been fixed in the master code. Thanks for reporting them.
[15:30] <CrazyLemon> dsmythies np
[15:30] <CrazyLemon> in future should i rather open the bug report instead of copying them here?
[15:30] <CrazyLemon> /s/the/a
[15:31] <dsmythies> CrazyLemon: Yes, please.
[15:31] <CrazyLemon> dsmythies one bug report per typo or all typos in one bug report?
[15:33] <dsmythies> CrazyLemon: Whatever works for you is fine by me. For the one per bug report type, I tend to lump them at about 5 per commit anyhow.
[15:33] <CrazyLemon> ok
[15:38] <dsmythies> knome: belkinsa: The help.ubuntu.com changes from yesterday went live maybe a couple of hours ago.


[06:29] <Unit193> +    - Fix guest AppArmor profile to allow guest sessions more access to the
[06:29] <Unit193> +      upstart session socket (LP: #1627304)
[06:40] <flocculant> was expecting that
[08:46] <Unit193> flocculant: Been accepted.
[11:03] <flocculant> grabbed from proposed - because I'm never sure till I see it work with my own eyeses
[11:07] <Unit193> Trying the systemd session with it too or no?
[11:08] <flocculant> just default whatever I have
[11:08] <flocculant> and there was a systemd update
[11:08] <flocculant> oic - the failing lock thing?
[11:08] <flocculant> if so - I know that failed with the profile change
[11:09] <Unit193> Ah, nice.
[11:10] <flocculant> so we have (or will have) the old working x-d-s, the new lightdm - which all works together
[11:39] <bluesabre> good to hear
[15:21] <flocculant> after the last fortnight, anything lightdm is probably good to hear :p
[16:25] <flocculant> I do still see the DENIED messgaes in logs, but I guess because we're not using the 'new' x-d-s we can laugh for the time being
[16:25] <flocculant> I will keep watch on any updates I see between now and release and retest if I see anything that might affect it
[17:23] <ochosi> evening everyone
[17:23] <ochosi> <- is back in town
[17:26] <ochosi> i read some emails about light-locker issues which turned out to be issues with pitti's changes
[17:26] <ochosi> and something about guest mode being fixed in lightdm
[17:26] <ochosi> anything important other than that which i missed?
[17:35] <flocculant> we moved to qt
[17:36] <flocculant> welcome back ochosi :)
[17:36] <flocculant> other than l-l and associated nothing I know of
[18:07] <ochosi> flocculant: so everything is on track (again)?
[18:09] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - we reverted xubuntu-default-settings - which got lock and guest working properly
[18:09] <flocculant> there's been a change to lightdm to get guest working elsewhere
[18:09] <flocculant> I would guess that we'll need to revisit the x-d-s next cycle - and it'll fall over - but not at this stage of the cycle :)
[18:10] <flocculant> currently we have no need to change out light-locker for something else - but we at least know where we stand of options for next cycle
[18:10] <flocculant> I think that sums it all up
[18:12] <ochosi> right
[18:12] <flocculant> as far as anything else on the iso goes - I think the only horrid thing is the dodgy resize dialogue
[18:12] <ochosi> well if there are no issues with l-l i don't think there
[18:12] <ochosi> 's any need to exchange it
[18:12] <flocculant> well - as soon as we revert x-d-s then it'll fail
[18:12] <ochosi> right
[18:13] <ochosi> did you get anywhere in terms of what changes would be needed?
[18:13] <flocculant> locker changes?
[18:13] <ochosi> yup
[18:13] <flocculant> gnome-screensaver is the best of the 2 in my opinion (bluesabre's too:) visually at least
[18:14] <flocculant> doesn't add much size wise either afaik
[18:14] <flocculant> hang on
[18:14] <ochosi> and dependency-wise?
[18:15] <ochosi> cause i remember it dragged in gnome-* heavily around 3.16
[18:15] <ochosi> haven't revisited it since then
[18:15] <flocculant> gnome-screensaver just dragged in itself
[18:15] <flocculant> let me find a thing
[18:15] <ochosi> k, that sounds fair
[18:16] <flocculant> http://imgur.com/lQIC7KD
[18:16] <flocculant> that's a default vm - removing light-locker on left, adding g-s top right, removing g-s and adding x-s bottom right
[18:17] <flocculant> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-y-locker
[18:18] <ochosi> sry, gotta run, bbiab
[18:18] <flocculant> ok - well those links etc are data we had
[19:17] <ochosi> flocculant: hm, interesting, seems they cleared it off its gnome depends...
[19:17] <ochosi> i thought that it was more tightly integrated into gdm and the gnomeshell itself
[19:18] <ochosi> looking at the git log it was only recently resurrected: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-screensaver/log/
[19:18] <ochosi> 3.6.0 is from 2012...
[19:23] <flocculant> right
[19:23] <flocculant> long and short of it is it's easier for us if necessary then :)
[19:24] <flocculant> I'm just glad we didn't need to swap this close to the finish line :p
[19:25] <flocculant> not at all sure what I was thinking of when I tried reverting x-d-s - at that time of the morning I'm not really thinking of anything but tea ...
[19:55] <ochosi> looks a bit crappy, the gnome-screensaver unlock dialog
[19:56] <ochosi> maybe i can do some theming magic on it though if we really decide to go down that road
[20:03] <flocculant> yea - though it does look better than the other one we were looking at :)
[20:04] <Unit193> Did someone leave the awful white border on it still?
[20:04] <flocculant> Unit193: not that I recall
[20:04] <Unit193> Goooood.
[20:08] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/tcptBBQ.png
[20:08] <flocculant> no white border
[20:10] <flocculant> .


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