[12:00] <penguin42> thoreauputic, Ah, I never did that - I always built my own from scratch - which is the canonical ubuntu kernel I should start with - I want to build something exactly the same as the standard install but which supports a critcial piece of hardware - my 2nd processor!
[12:00] <Misogynist> Gentoo turned me off for good on building kernels. Linux is kind of sloppy and lots of things tend not to work if they're built into the kernel instead of as modules.
[12:00] <Witigonen> Are there any partitioning tools on the livecd?
[12:00] <eruin> didn't seem quite as easy as for debian when I built my kernel
[12:00] <holycow> oh there is the menu editor
[12:00] <holycow> well holy f uck
[12:00] <eruin> Misogynist: I experience the opposite ;)
[12:00] <eruin> I _need_ stuff builtin to get, say, dma for my sata drives
[12:00] <niran> penguin42, there are smp kernels in the repositories
[12:01] <sataere> I'm trying rp-pppoe right now, and it doesn't work at all, but the pppoeconf that was included in Ubuntu set up without a hitch.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> penguin42: I don't know :) I just use the kernel images (lazy) ;)
[12:01] <sataere> What's pppoeconf from, or is it a homebrew script?
[12:01] <spikeb> yeah the installer really should do that
[12:01] <Misogynist> Gotta run :o
[12:01] <penguin42> niran, fair point
[12:01] <niran> penguin42, no, i
[12:02] <niran> penguin42, i'm not saying that it shouldnt be detected, i'm wondering why you need to build your own
[12:02] <eruin> didn't think people still used pppoe :P
[12:02] <willhig> ????????????????
[12:02] <holycow> oh installing nvidia drivers is even easier in ubuntu?
[12:02] <holycow> well this is nice i must say :)
[12:02] <penguin42> niran: Yeh I'll grab the image
[12:02] <eruin> sudo install nvidia-glx
[12:03] <JaZy84> can anyone help me install java when i login as root i get bash: /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin: is a directory
[12:03] <holycow> brb
[12:03] <thoreauputic> willhig: I think your "?" key has some chewing gum under it ;-)
[12:03] <stuNNed> willhig: lsmod|grep ath  -- any output to that?
[12:03] <willhig> haha...
[12:03] <willhig> stuNNed, I'll try that...
[12:04] <stuNNed> willhig: are you sure there aren't any other wireless driver modules loaded, i.e. with my dlink it loaded ath_pci native driver and ndiswrapper wouldn't work with it loaded
[12:04] <stuNNed> willhig: do i had to blacklist it, ath_pci along with it's associated modules
[12:04] <willhig> stuNNed, I'm looking for wlan0, right?
[12:04] <epicenter> I have an nForce 3 motherboard with onboard Ac97 audio, it registers as nVidia unknown device 00ea (rev a1). It doesn't seem to work in audio applications. What should I do?
[12:04] <willhig> stuNNed, >_<`` I don't know what I'm looking for...
[12:04] <stuNNed> willhig: you're looking for a module loaded that is for wireless, i know it can be tricky :)
[12:04] <stuNNed> willhig: /query ok?
[12:04] <whiskers> man this menu stuff is totally screwed in gnome...no wonder so many people are checking out kubuntu
[12:05] <willhig> stuNNed, that's fine
[12:05] <stuNNed> whiskers: is that your opinion or is that a fact? :)
[12:05] <whiskers> you can't even find the .desktop file for the menu entry
[12:06] <whiskers> stuNNed, well...i don't know..but menu-editor put something in the wrong place and i can't figure out how to delete it
[12:06] <whiskers> and sudo nor su helps at all
[12:06] <vessuvius81> where could I get the old source of ndiswrapper utils to compile myself?
[12:07] <tkz> stuNNed, interesting... the ./configure complains "configure: error: iwlib.h not found. Install wireless-tools" even though I have wireless-tools installed...
[12:07] <fab31> re
[12:07] <stuNNed> tkz: there is way to install source in debian but i have no clue :)
[12:07] <mwh_> After upgrading to hoary synaptic doesnt seem to be upgraded, like when I install new software it opens a terminal window for the installation .. instead of hiding it
[12:07] <fab31> Is it possible to prevent ubuntu from loading every module he finds in /lib/modules ?
[12:08] <epicenter> Is there any way to get this sound card working?
[12:08] <epicenter> Or rather onboard sound hardware
[12:08] <fab31> I have 71 modules loaded at startup, most of them are a nonsense, it causes conflicts with some module I'ld like to load...
[12:08] <jordanau> fab31, if ubuntu is a he is kubuntu a she?
[12:08] <HKSDU> does anyone know what Prelink is? cuz I see an article saying that prelink can make your Ubuntu running faster?
[12:08] <ice_1963> lol
[12:08] <fab31> jordanau: :) sorry...
[12:09] <devazion> jordanau nope they are both males, thats why they dont get along with eachother.. cuz kubuntu is more rusty^^
[12:09] <ice_1963> gnome/kde =)
[12:09] <penguin42> fab31: F*** yes - mine has 74 modules loaded
[12:09] <stuNNed> whiskers: i really don't know how to edit the menu myself, would be nice :)
[12:09] <fab31> :(
[12:09] <fab31> is it possible to have the only ~15 needed ?
[12:09] <jordanau> haha
[12:09] <shivy> hello
[12:09] <fab31> It loades even modules blacklisted...
[12:09] <ripgut> sup everyone
[12:09] <ripgut> i need some help
[12:09] <whiskers> stuNNed, i know this is a major pain in the ass
[12:10] <jordanau> HKSDU, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1971.html does that help any?
[12:10] <fab31> I had to rename those modules who were causing problems, very ugly solution
[12:10] <jordanau> HKSDU, just a google search
[12:10] <whiskers> stuNNed, and the only documentation is for all-users not one
[12:10] <mwh_> also when I add an archive to my repository list, I notice that there is something called Ubuntu 5.04 updates ... why is that?
[12:10] <whiskers> stuNNed, so you can't find where the  heck the menu entry file is on the harddrive
[12:10] <mwh_> or what is that?
[12:10] <ripgut> anyone here know how to get an Audigy 2 soundcard to work on Ubunut
[12:10] <stuNNed> whiskers: you can probly create in ~ no?
[12:10] <HKSDU> jordanau: that's the forum where I got the idea of having prelink will make your distro running faster, but why?
[12:10] <ripgut> im in gnome
[12:10] <stuNNed> whiskers: if it doesn't already exist
[12:10] <penguin42> fab31: Some are obviously not needed - I mean its got a sony_acpi one - my machine ain't a sony
[12:10] <stuNNed> whiskers: or some file in ~ ?
[12:10] <shivy> how annoying i cant get fglrx to work under ubunt
[12:10] <whiskers> stuNNed, i don't want to create...i want to delete
[12:11] <epicenter> What do I add to my /apt/sources.list for the 'universe' repository?
[12:11] <fab31> yep
[12:11] <ripgut> can anyone help?
[12:11] <fab31> but how can we prevent loading modules ?
[12:11] <fab31> I have conflicting ones
[12:12] <penguin42> right - lets see if this new image I installed will get me my 2nd processor
[12:12] <fab31> puting them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist don't change anything
[12:12] <ripgut> helooooooooooo
[12:12] <ripgut> anyone out there
[12:12] <ice_1963> yes
[12:12] <jordanau> HKSDU, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml <--- google again
[12:13] <mwh_> also opening a gnome-terminal seems to take longer time than in warty
[12:13] <mwh_> some seconds
[12:13] <ripgut> Hello?
[12:13] <jordanau> ripgut, have you searched the forums
[12:13] <ripgut> yes
[12:13] <ripgut> tons of em
[12:13] <jordanau> ripgut, spamming the irc doesn't help
[12:13] <jordanau> jordanau, woops
[12:13] <HKSDU> jordanau: ic!!  thank you very much!!
[12:14] <jordanau> hated to make him quit...
[12:14] <jordanau> HKSDU, no problem
[12:15] <JaZy15> can anyone help me install java when i login as root i get bash: /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin: is a directory
[12:15] <rvirani> How come rythmbox cant stream MPEG?
[12:15] <Krys^^> I can't seem to get sound working on my laptop. I can actually play the mp3 file now, but no sound's coming from the speakers. They're on, turned up, unmuted. Can anyone help me?
[12:16] <etzerd> hello all
[12:16] <penguin42> and we're back - 2 processors!
[12:16] <ice_1963> hello
[12:16] <holycow> anyone notice the latest gnome startup graphic that displays gnome component booting is different from the one a week ago?
[12:16] <jordanau> if you type in just /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin it tells you about the file, you need a command
[12:16] <jordanau> JaZy15, ^^^
[12:16] <holycow> this one is square, no nice rounded corners and such ... ?
[12:16] <ice_1963> i have
[12:17] <Jarret_> i tried using the ext3 filesystem over reiser this time... and now i get an error 18.. i updated to the most recent bios yesterday so there's really nothing i can do... how would i go about switching to and configuring lilo?
[12:17] <holycow> so i'm not the only one then? heh
[12:17] <JaZy15> yeah i know i followed the walk through and that's the error i get.
[12:17] <holycow> anyone know if its possible to swap the nicer rounded one in?
[12:17] <etzerd> Everytime I play video my system crash, either on the net or whatever
[12:17] <jordanau> JaZy15, can you link me to the walthrough and where you are?
[12:17] <Krys^^> you can change the greeter yes
[12:17] <rvirani> How does one get mp3 support for rythmbox
[12:18] <Krys^^> system>administration>loginscreenwndow
[12:18] <Krys^^> err login screen window*
[12:18] <etzerd> and also Mplayer doesn't work no matter how I tried to install it.
[12:18] <Krys^^> rvirani, gotta install a package
[12:18] <etzerd> can anyone help with that? Please
[12:18] <JaZy15> don't have link. on the ubuntu wiki page should i try method 1 or just go strait to method 2
[12:18] <Krys^^> called something like gstreamer-mad8
[12:18] <dureyes> can someone please give a good sources.list for hoary
[12:18] <jordanau> JaZy15, give me a sec and i will let you know
[12:18] <JaZy15> nice
[12:18] <JaZy15> ty
[12:18] <evan_d> if you've already ordered CDs of Warty can you order CDs of Hoary (using shipit)?
[12:19] <whiskers> i don't see anything relevant in /etc/gnome-vfs or anywhere
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: gstreamer0.8-mad  :)
[12:20] <jordanau> JaZy15, are you reading this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport ???
[12:20] <Krys^^> ooh.. well i was close!
[12:20] <Krys^^> lol
[12:20] <JaZy15> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:20] <thoreauputic> rvirani: see above ( to Krys^^)
[12:20] <Krys^^> thoreauputic, think you can help me with my lack of sound problem?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: computers are very pedantic ;)
[12:20] <Krys^^> lol
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: probably not:)
[12:21] <jordanau> JaZy15, which method are you using?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: what's the trouble?
[12:21] <andrewski> are there reported errors with the nvidia drivers in kde?
[12:21] <JaZy15> i'm thinking of trying 1
[12:21] <JaZy15> using the blackdown installer threw synaptic
[12:21] <Krys^^> i can *play* the mp3 ( or wave or whatever ) but..... no sound is coming out of my speakers
[12:22] <Krys^^> they're turned on.. unmuted and up as high as they can go
[12:22] <jordanau> i would try 0
[12:23] <penguin42> right - I think I have most of what I need - I wonder what I'm missing; I guess I'll just find out as I use it
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: maybe they don't like your music choice ;)
[12:23] <jordanau> JaZy15, i did mine different way so i am not sure though
[12:23] <Krys^^> lol
[12:23] <JaZy15> alright lemme give it a shot
[12:24] <rvirani> Anyone?
[12:24] <epicenter> I have an nForce 3 motherboard with onboard audio, and /dev/dsp was created by Ubuntu. But ,I cannot play sound. Did I do something wrong?
[12:24] <rvirani> mpeg support for rythmbox
[12:24] <whiskers> and nautilus says applications-all-users:/// is not a valid location
[12:24] <rvirani> Krys^, thanx I will take a look
[12:24] <penguin42> Epicenter, What happens if you try - you just don't hear anything?
[12:24] <Epicenter> penguin42: yes.
[12:25] <jordanau> JaZy15, i thkn i did this one http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport
[12:25] <Epicenter> I get a message that /dev/dsp cannot be opened
[12:25] <JaZy15> ty
[12:25] <Epicenter> Speakers and mixer are all the way up
[12:25] <AZ_AS> ok, anyone try the live cd for ppc?
[12:25] <penguin42> Epicenter, Ah - you mean more than you just can't hear anything....
[12:25] <Krys^^> think you can help me get it going thoreauputic ?
[12:25] <penguin42> Epicenter, Do you see anything in /proc/asound/cards ?
[12:25] <SpyD> anyone here knowledgeable about MySql and Postfix on Debian?
[12:25] <Epicenter> how do I check cards' contents?
[12:26] <Epicenter> vi ?
[12:26] <penguin42> Epicenter, cat
[12:26] <Epicenter> yes
[12:26] <penguin42> AZ_AS, Yes and it should
[12:26] <Epicenter> CK8S - Nforce nvidia CK8s
[12:26] <Epicenter> nvidia ck8s with cmi9761 at 0xfdffb000 irq 20
[12:26] <Epicenter> also my bt848 video capture device
[12:26] <AZ_AS> ty, penguin42
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: the honest answer is no - I only just got my sound to work on warty after a mud wrestling bout with debian and alsa
[12:26] <whiskers> oh well...i guess just have to wait for a usable menueditor
[12:26] <Krys^^> hah aokay. I'm actually using hoarty..
[12:26] <whiskers> this is ridiculous
[12:26] <rvirani> where do I gets the qt libs to run skype?
[12:26] <Krys^^> Anyone else out there think they can help me?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> rvirani: use the static binary on the website is easiest
[12:28] <Krys^^> the sad thing: sound used to work
[12:28] <rvirani> it cant resolve the dependancies
[12:28] <rvirani> thoreauputic, k which static binary for what?
[12:28] <rvirani> I dont want to break apt
[12:28] <Epicenter> penguin42: any reason it wouldn't work?
[12:29] <whiskers> rvirani, i don't think you can run skype...someone said it is a restricted program
[12:29] <Epicenter> I know it's not a permission issue; I can't even run VLC with sound as root
[12:29] <Epicenter> or XMMS
[12:29] <raoul> can anyone help me mount a drive, i did it yesterday when i installed warthog but now i just put in hedgehob and i lost it... i'm reasonably new to linux
[12:29] <rvirani> whiskers, it needs qt libs
[12:29] <Epicenter> more errors and silence.
[12:29] <Marble2> How come my audio is always 2-3 seconds behind my video in Ubuntu, no matter what file or what player
[12:29] <Krys^^> you can run skype in ubuntu
[12:29] <thoreauputic> rvirani: well, you won't break apt if you install in /usr/local or your home dir
[12:29] <jordanau> raoul,
[12:29] <rvirani> thoreauputic, k so which binary
[12:29] <whiskers> rvirani, it is not that...the authors say they want to restrict it to only paying customers
[12:29] <jordanau> raoul, i can help
[12:29] <raoul> k
[12:29] <raoul> awesome
[12:29] <geneo93> Krys^ try alsamixer
[12:29] <Krys^^> my best buddy and I talk all the time on skype, however when I do ti i'm on windows, but he's in ubuntu....
[12:29] <rvirani> I got the download
[12:30] <jordanau> raoul, can i have specifics?
[12:30] <whiskers> rvirani, well i don't know but someone in here said it is a restricted program
[12:30] <thoreauputic> rvirani: I don't know - I just know there's a statically compiled one available on the skype site - look for that
[12:30] <raoul> should i try to figure out a PM or is talking on this channel ok
[12:31] <glass-eye> so how many people do you get in here asking about why the install didn't ask them for a root password?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I believe it's freeas in beer, but not Free as in speech
[12:31] <jordanau> raoul, is it a windows hard drive?
[12:31] <penguin42> is there a way to change the font size on the graphical login screen? Everything else about it seems changeable but it is rather small - I suspect it is based on resolution not a fixed font size
[12:31] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well i don't know...i only know what someone in here said
[12:31] <jordanau> raoul, wait you said you did it yesterday and you updated and today it is gone?
[12:31] <raoul> i'm running x86, AMD XP 3000+, and it was never a system drive it was just my music drive
[12:32] <raoul> yeah
[12:32] <raoul> a friend helped me do it though
[12:32] <thoreauputic> whiskers: it isn't "open source", that's for sure
[12:32] <raoul> bunch of console commands
[12:32] <jordanau> look in /media
[12:32] <whiskers> thoreauputic, ok...maybe that is what they were talking about
[12:32] <rvirani> thoreauputic, k
[12:32] <penguin42> glass-eye, It certainly through me at first!
[12:33] <holycow> yeah skype is restricted
[12:33] <thundrcleeze> I've got the problem many others have after a dist-upgrade to hoary. I've got a sb audigy. I've tried even compling my own drivers with the alsa-source, but I don't think I did it right.  Can anyone help?
[12:33] <holycow> definately not open source to begin with
[12:33] <rvirani> k cool
[12:33] <jordanau> raoul, what do you see in /media?
[12:33] <rvirani> so anyone know about ... getting rythmbox to stream MPeg?
[12:33] <rvirani> I just bought new speakers
[12:33] <glass-eye> penguin42: i was surpised, this is the first time i've tried ubuntu, thought i had missed a step :)
[12:33] <Antioch> Can one not play MP3s in Ubuntu using XMMS or BMP?
[12:34] <holycow> rvirani, lol i was just wondering that my self
[12:34] <eclipse> anyone is having problems when "RenderAccel" is enabled in xorg.conf file?
[12:34] <holycow> xmms is also borked
[12:34] <raoul> cdrom and cdrom(), one light blue, one dark
[12:34] <holycow> Antioch, i can't
[12:34] <jordanau> rvirani, yeah plus rhythmbox kida suck INHO
[12:34] <raoul> i only have one drive, my dvd burner
[12:34] <thoreauputic> wow, the mailing list is really heavy traffic the last few days... :/
[12:34] <b00gie> hi, does anyone know how do i set a size for desktop icons? Some icons seems not to scale well... :/
[12:34] <penguin42> glass-eye, Yeh - I think Macs might do the same trick - I don't think it is a bad idea really; the only gotcha would be on a networked system where everyone has remote directories; I guess then you would just create a local user anyway that would happen not to be called root
[12:34] <holycow> thoreauputic, *nod* well as per new release, it should be likethat
[12:34] <whiskers> thoreauputic, i just try to respect people's wishes and if they want to restrict it...well then we just won't use it
[12:35] <thoreauputic> holycow: yep
[12:35] <eclipse> anyone is having problems when "RenderAccel" is enabled in xorg.conf file?
[12:35] <jordanau> raoul, so the only thing in /media is a DVD drive?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I understand your position :)
[12:35] <looter> i'm trying to rdit xorg.conf but i got permission denied error when i'm trying to save it
[12:35] <raoul> yea, looks like. although last time it detected the drive as HDB i want to say...
[12:35] <jordanau> looter did you use sudo
[12:35] <glass-eye> i couldn't get hoary to boot into the kernel on the install cd, it was odd
[12:35] <penguin42> looter: You probably find you need to do it as root
[12:36] <holycow> xmms is supposed to be rewritten by their team i think i read that somewhere
[12:36] <jordanau> look in your /etc/fstab file and paste what you see on pastebin
[12:36] <Epicenter> penguin42: Any ideas?
[12:36] <glass-eye> i thought BMP _was_ the rewrite
[12:36] <nydust> where are the apache2 parameters?
[12:36] <penguin42> Epicenter, Nope
[12:36] <jordanau> raoul, ^^ and also go to www.ubuntuguide.org for some help
[12:36] <thoreauputic> xmms will work with mpg321 or mpg123 I believe (it does here anyway, on warty0
[12:36] <Antioch> BMP is XMMS just with extensions into GTK2
[12:37] <b00gie> any idea for icon size? :/
[12:37] <looter> i only have the root account
[12:37] <Antioch> Anyways, is there no way to get MP3s working in ubuntu with xmms or bmp?
[12:37] <looter> i'm using nano editor
[12:37] <Epicenter> Penguin42: I hear some burst of popping when I mute/unmute in aumix.
[12:37] <Epicenter> and one when X loads
[12:37] <flipo> I am having serious problems to get xawtv running  - anyone around to support a german guy?
[12:37] <rvirani> and wonders why it aint installed by default like every other distro
[12:37] <thoreauputic> glass-eye: bmp is pretty much xmms with prettier menus and a few usability improvements
[12:37] <raoul> jordanau update? or is ^^ a command or did i miss something and should look up
[12:37] <rvirani> xmms works it always has
[12:37] <jordanau> look up
[12:38] <holycow> actually no, xmms right now doesn't seem to work
[12:38] <holycow> not for me and a few other people
[12:38] <penguin42> Epicenter, Did you say you got an error accessing /dev/dsp? Its unusual that your mixer does do stuff but you can't get to /dev/dsp - normally its one or the other
[12:38] <jordanau> raoul, have you read the guide on adding a windows partition?
[12:38] <raoul> ahh i see, sorry the red text is so easy to read compared to the rest
[12:38] <Epicenter> penguin42: The exact error is:\
[12:39] <Antioch> "it just works" =\
[12:39] <penguin42> Please - someone quote those two lines
[12:39] <raoul> i've read parts, something like mount -t ntfs /media/music
[12:39] <raoul> that's where i put it last time
[12:39] <rvirani> holycow, k then how to get rythmbox workin?
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000261]  mpeg_audio packetizer: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:44100 bitrate:128
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000284]  mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:44100 bitrate:128
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000286]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000286]  main audio output error: couldn't find a filter for the conversion
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000286]  main audio output error: couldn't set an output pipeline
[12:39] <tigren> can i install ubuntu from the live-cd?
[12:39] <tigren> i've got one blank cd, and want to try the live-cd out
[12:40] <holycow> rvirani, thats borked too
[12:40] <rvirani> GRRR
[12:40] <Antioch> rvirani because rythm box uses GSTREAMER codecs..
[12:40] <raoul> there was some command i ran where it let me enter the information and then load it past that
[12:40] <rvirani> and GSTREAMER is broked
[12:40] <penguin42> Epicenter, What exaclty were you running to do that?   Do you get the bleeps and blurps as you open windows and click on things and as ubuntu starts up?
[12:40] <rvirani> bleh
[12:40] <thundrcleeze> not AFAIK with warty at least, Tigren.
[12:41] <tigren> thundrcleeze: any idea about hoary?
[12:41] <Epicenter> penguin42: I was using VLC to open an Mp3. Same result with XMMS
[12:41] <Epicenter> penguin42: I don't hear anything from Ubuntu's GUI.
[12:41] <Epicenter> penguin42: I hear one loud pop right before X loads though.
[12:41] <penguin42> Epicenter, OK, here is a simple (but noisy!) test -   cat /bin/ls > /dev/dsp
[12:41] <thundrcleeze> tigren, I don't know, but unless it says on the wiki or docs, I don't think so.
[12:41] <tigren> ok
[12:41] <tigren> figured as much
[12:42] <thundrcleeze> It really should be able to, I think it's on their list of things to do.
[12:42] <Epicenter> penguin42: silence and a blinking cursor.
[12:42] <thundrcleeze> Can anyone else confirm or deny this?
[12:42] <penguin42> Epicenter, But no error?
[12:42] <Epicenter> penguin42: right.
[12:42] <penguin42> Epicenter, Hmm that's kind of promising
[12:42] <Epicenter> I know I should hear static
[12:42] <eclipse> damn ubuntu, it keeps freezing if i use nvidia driver with RenderAccel on....is there a patch for this?
[12:43] <Epicenter> Usually a drop a kernel on it
[12:43] <thundrcleeze> No install scripts on the hoary live cd, right?
[12:43] <jordanau> raoul, i am not sure about ntfs that will take me a little time
[12:43] <eclipse> please i need help
[12:43] <raoul> k, no worries
[12:43] <Epicenter> penguin42: Maybe something is wrong with my BIOS settings...?
[12:43] <raoul> at least i got the rest up and running
[12:43] <Epicenter> penguin42: I would check this chipset's compatibility with ubuntu but I don't know where to look./
[12:44] <penguin42> Epicenter, you'll probably want to look at ALSA documentation for that - open your mixer up and see what you've got - go to the preferences and turn every one of them on if some are hidden
[12:44] <thundrcleeze> Let me look, tigren.
[12:45] <SuperQ> Mmm
[12:45] <Epicenter> penguin42: which preferences?
[12:45] <eclipse> damn ubuntu, it keeps freezing if i use nvidia driver with RenderAccel on....is there a patch for this?
[12:45] <b00gie> ppl can i set a standar size for desktop icons?
[12:45] <penguin42> Epicenter, Bring the menu down off the volume control and do 'open volume control' - then go to its edit menu
[12:46] <housetier> I am a little confused here.. I have a user with a usb2 harddisk, its plugged in alright. fdisk -l /dev/sda reports "/dev/sda1               1       10011    80413326    7  HPFS/NTFS", yet "mount -tntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt" says: "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist" I am sure I am stuck somewhere...
[12:46] <thundrcleeze> you can order a couple cds through the ubuntu shipit page, tigren no cost, not even shipping.
[12:46] <housetier> how can this user mount the usb disk?
[12:46] <Epicenter> penguin42: the Main and PCM are way the hell up and unmuted as they should be
[12:47] <HKSDU> I have a question regarding GCC.  How does a compiler compile a file and how does OS execute programs? what is the process of converting files into a binary file and how they are saved? is there any tutorial or document on it, anyone?
[12:47] <penguin42> Epicenter, Yeh but check there aren't any weird other sliders - on mine (an Ensoniq) there is a weird setting that ocmpletely screws it up that isn't obvious at all - you might need to try alsamixer or the like to let you get to every tweakable
[12:47] <spikeb> is a JRE or JDK in multiverse yet?
[12:48] <penguin42> HKSDU, Wow that's a big question
[12:48] <jordanau> raoul, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs read that and follow directions perfectly
[12:49] <kh-rit> how to install ati driver?
[12:49] <HKSDU> penguin42: really? because I am really interested in that, I am wondering how they make your program from text into binary and how are they being saved and how does OS run it..
[12:49] <housetier> HKSDU basically its a translation process, with lots of table lookups
[12:49] <thoreauputic> spikeb: never likely to be as long as java isn't open source, I'd guess
[12:49] <Epicenter> penguin42: why is it finding a C-Media *and* an nVidia device I can adjust? There's just the onboard sound and nothing else.
[12:49] <raoul> k, checking it out now
[12:49] <HKSDU> housetier: what kind of table?
[12:49] <whiskers> ls
[12:49] <penguin42> Epicenter, Hehe - for me it sees two as well; and I only have one - does it list one as OSS and the other as ALSA ? If so go with the alsa one imho
[12:49] <twalls> hello everyone
[12:49] <whiskers> sorry wrong place
[12:50] <twalls> i'm trying to install ubuntu for the first time on my ibook g3
[12:50] <Epicenter> penguin42: yeah, the nvidia is ALSA
[12:50] <Epicenter> c-media is oss
[12:50] <twalls> it went right through the install and then failed when installing yaboot?
[12:50] <rOss^32> i know i asked this like 2 hours ago .. but does anyone have an ubuntu brown skin for xmms ?
[12:50] <housetier> HKSDU grossly simplyfied we have something like "add this to that" on the one side and a series of 0's and 1's on the other side
[12:50] <twalls> any suggestions as to what could have gone wrong?
[12:51] <Epicenter> penguin42: should I compile a new kernel with it, and screw ALSA? :P
[12:51] <housetier> HKSDU however there is more involved, especially with optimawhateverzations
[12:51] <HKSDU> housetier: that's my question, how does they know what's converted into series of 0 and 1? is there a standard table that is open source or something like that?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> rOss^32: I haven't seen one - the "Ana" skin is quite nice though (simple)
[12:51] <penguin42> HKSDU, There is a LOT to it - 1) Breaking down the input text 2) Converting it to an internal representation of the task your trying to do   3) Producing assembly language for the processor   4) Assembling that to machine code   5) Linking it into an executable file     6) then the OS loading that, mapping it into memory, initialising it and running it
[12:51] <penguin42> HKSDU, All quite complex problems in themselves
[12:52] <rOss^32> thanks thoreauputic
[12:52] <ch7> hello, has anyone seen problems burning the ISOs under Mac OS X (using Disk Utility)? I get crashes...
[12:52] <thoreauputic> rOss^32: it's kind of light and looks good with light themes
[12:52] <HKSDU> penguin42: is there any book that I can study or web site talks about it? I am especially interested in how they assemble those code into machine code make link it to executable
[12:52] <ch7> I'd blame it on Disk Utility, of course, but was wondering if there's another way to burn an ISO under Mac OS X...
[12:53] <rOss^32> nice i found one on forum but i dont like it
[12:53] <rOss^32> :)
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ch7: it's aknown issue with ubuntu ISOs in OS-X
[12:53] <penguin42> HKSDU, There is a book called the Dragon book ' Aho, Sethi, and Ullman, "Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools," Addison Wesley, 1986, ISBN 0-201-10088-6' - it is THE book on compiler stuff - its big though!
[12:53] <chazwurth> HKSDU: the wikipedia entry on compilers recommends some books, although I can't verify that they're any good. I've never studied compilers in depth.
[12:53] <txz> ok i was following some directions that said add a line to modules.conf I did but it is still not loading on boot. Is not modules.conf in the 2.6 kernel?
[12:54] <doubleplus> Why isn't sudo asking for any password?!
[12:54] <HKSDU> Thank you very much, I appreciate that.
[12:54] <thoreauputic> ch7: if you have fink installed you can get cdrecord I believe
[12:54] <penguin42> doubleplus, It got bored; you probably entered one a few seconds ago
[12:54] <rarn> can anyone help me get a evdo card going
[12:55] <rarn> it looks like the card is not recognized properly
[12:55] <doubleplus> penguin42, oh, you're right. thank god
[12:55] <thoreauputic> txz: /etc/modules in debian based distros like ubuntu
[12:55] <ch7> thoreauputic:  thanx!
[12:56] <rijad> hmm.. what the hell does this mean? Audio analogue processor (SiS 916B Sound Chip)
[12:56] <rarn> what is the device for a USB serial adapter?
[12:56] <txz> thoreauputic: i need to add a postinstall command to modules.conf i have the nessasry modules in /etc/modules
[12:56] <thoreauputic> txz: I see
[12:56] <sleepysentry> can someone tell me how to install the module assistant?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> rijad: that would be your sound card (I have si7012 for instance)
[12:57] <sleepysentry> no one knows what the apt-get command to install it is?
[12:58] <sleepysentry> i really need help with this
[12:58] <thoreauputic> sleepysentry: try apt-cache search module assistant?
[12:58] <sleepysentry> ok
[12:58] <sleepysentry> thanks
[12:58] <thoreauputic> or apt-cache search module | grep assistant
[12:58] <rem> hey all ...
[12:59] <rijad> ok, do you know where to find those drivers?
[12:59] <rem> has anyone aver been able to print on a network printer with ubuntu ??
[12:59] <kelk1> Hi. I am trying to use the 5.04 liveCD, but the WM does not start. The only thing I get is a brown background. When I press Ctrl-BS, I come back to (what I assume is) GDM, but that's all.
[12:59] <penguin42> thoreauputic, Interestingly apt-cache search "module assistant" doesn't find it which was I instinctively typesd
[12:59] <rem> i havent been able to with warty and same with hoary now ..
[12:59] <housetier> modconf?
[12:59] <slave> hello
[12:59] <andrewski> is it possible to load gnome/gtk settings in kde?
[12:59] <kelk1> What can prevent GNOME from starting?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> penguin42: did the grep one find it? I'm on warty and I didn't try it
[01:00] <AndyR> firefox crashes for me when i try to print from it
[01:00] <rem> brother hl1260 or 2400c or Samsung clp500N
[01:00] <rem> firfoy crashes on me when "set as wallpaper" ..
[01:00] <rem> firefox
[01:00] <penguin42> thoreauputic, Yes; the package is actually module-assistant and the word assistant doesn't appear in the single line description - just in the package name
[01:01] <dave_> does anyone here know what I have to do to enable different refresh rates for my monitor?
[01:01] <rarn> does anyone know how to get an airprime cdma wireless pc card working
[01:01] <penguin42> dave_, I ended up reconfiguring the X server using standard X tools - I've not found a pretty ubuntu button for it yet
[01:01] <rarn> i think i need to find the drivers
[01:02] <rem> refresh -> from menu, or xfree86 conf file ..
[01:02] <mohaham> if the graphics card is configured incorrectly; it cud prevent GNOME from starting
[01:02] <Marble2> what's a badass looking font?
[01:02] <rem> ive given up printing on ubuntu ... :(
[01:03] <thoreauputic> rijad: I'd try googling the chip name with the words linux and module
[01:03] <whiskers> ubuntu needs to recompile audacity to support ogg format exports so no one uses proprietary codecs
[01:03] <rem> ..afer 6 months trying ..
[01:03] <epicenter> penguin42: Could it be that everything is trying to use OSS when my device is on ALSA? I Checked and it only pops when ALSA loads and closes. All apps bitch about OSS.
[01:03] <twalls> lol penguin42
[01:03] <penguin42> epicenter, Not sure; I'm not sure how they interact - Alsa has an OSS compatibility module
[01:03] <twalls> how should i partition an ibook g3 so yaboot can install?
[01:03] <dave_> is there some command I run for the x configuration
[01:03] <rem> thanx..but i have another debian or mandrake where printing no problem ..
[01:04] <kdp> http://bancomicsans.com/home.html
[01:04] <kdp> for those font questions
[01:04] <slave> Help, I try to setup ubuntu linux to print from my XP system but have problem, any advice ?
[01:04] <epicenter> penguin42: How would I turn it on?
[01:04] <penguin42> epicenter, I doubt it is off
[01:04] <epicenter> :P
[01:04] <dc0e> slave: using samba?
[01:05] <fangorious> shouldn't there be a 'build' folder in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ for building drivers against your kernel?
[01:05] <epicenter> Damn it.
[01:05] <slave> i will try, thanks !
[01:05] <epicenter> penguin42: Should I just compile a kernel with the driver and skip OSS and ALSA? :P
[01:05] <penguin42> epicenter, Nah all sound drivers are one or the other - typically alsa these days
[01:06] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know hoe i can fnd out my dns ip?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> dave_: on hoary,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:06] <epicenter> UGGHHHHH
[01:06] <jinXKat> oris_wolfbane: host command
[01:06] <fangorious> to build drivers against my kernel, do I have to download the source, load the config from /boot, and actually build the whole kernel, then point the driver source at that?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> oris_wolfbane: ifconfig ?
[01:06] <kelk1> mohaham, but would I see the login in GDM if the graphic card was not configured correctly?
[01:06] <twalls> yaboot no work :)
[01:07] <thoreauputic> twalls: is it dual boot?
[01:07] <kelk1> And how can I change X config on the liveCD?
[01:07] <whiskers> i guess audacity is ok for windows since windows users have already paid for wav format...but ubuntu needs to recompile audacity for ogg or maybe flac if flac is free format
[01:07] <twalls> no
[01:07] <mohaham> kelk1, no u wudnt be able to start kdm
[01:07] <twalls> just trying to install on a blank drive
[01:07] <rem> has anyone installed network printer with ubuntu ? if yes how ? did it work ?
[01:07] <dave_> thanks thoreauputic
[01:07] <penguin42> rem: Sheesh - your going to force me to test mine now aren;t you?
[01:07] <rem> lol
[01:07] <thoreauputic> dave_: you're welcome :)
[01:08] <twalls> thoreauputic: if i accept the default options in Ubuntu PPC install, it fails when installing yaboot
[01:08] <twalls> i've chosen to erase HDA and accepted / on hda3 and swap on hda4
[01:09] <thoreauputic> twalls: I see - well I'm not much help since my iBook G4 install went without a hitch
[01:09] <twalls> im assuming hda1 is something internal to apple, and hda2 is the apple bootstrap
[01:09] <rem> ..i guess ill have to share the printers from a mandrake box ...
[01:09] <twalls> arg
[01:09] <penguin42> rem: Hmm it doesn't look promising
[01:09] <twalls> thoreauputic: how did you prepare your disk for ubuntu?
[01:09] <rem> only way it seems to work ..
[01:10] <Krys^^> apple's made me slightly mad
[01:10] <Krys^^> *sniff&*
[01:10] <twalls> i went into disk utility and told it to create 1 partition of free space and left os9 drivers on it (its worked fine for yellow dog)
[01:11] <fangorious> has anybody compiled any kernel drivers? (not for nvidia or ati)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> twalls: I used the os-x partition tool, made one partition and the rest free space, installed OS-X on hte partition and let the installer install in hte free space
[01:11] <twalls> hmm
[01:11] <Antioch> Is there a way to download an mp3 decoder plugin for xmms?
[01:11] <twalls> i might try that next if this fails... not with osx but just using the free space, not erasing
[01:11] <Okt> do I need to install drivers for my Ati Radeon video card using Ubuntu 5.04
[01:12] <thoreauputic> twalls: you don't need to format - linux will create a file syatem for you
[01:12] <whiskers> Antioch, is it legal in your area
[01:12] <thoreauputic> *system
[01:12] <thoreauputic> Antioch: try mpg123
[01:13] <fangorious> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:13] <Antioch> whiskers who knows, and who cares
[01:13] <fangorious> Antioch: look at that link
[01:13] <penguin42> rem: I'm going to agree with yo - it feels broken
[01:13] <Antioch> fangorious Ive seen it, and I dont like beat box.. or whatever it is called
[01:14] <fangorious> Antioch: is there not an xmms-mp3 package in the universe repo?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> Antioch: I have xmms running with mpg123 on warty - your mileage may vary
[01:14] <Jester> i need help with the fonts?
[01:14] <Antioch> fangorious no
[01:14] <Antioch> thoreauputic I'll check it out
[01:14] <rem> thanx for tryin ..
[01:15] <fangorious> Antioch: it might be in the marillot repo then, search the wiki at www.ubuntulinux.com for marillat
[01:15] <Jester> someone can help me?
[01:15] <kbrooks> can clients on a vnc server connect to another client who is serving the server?
[01:15] <ama> does ubuntu only use one cd?
[01:15] <whiskers> Antioch, well if you don't care and are willing to take a serious risk then what player are you trying to use to play mp3s
[01:15] <wdh> Jester, dont ask for help, ask a question, a specific one..
[01:15] <ama> from the download site i only see one cd?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> ama: yes
[01:15] <twalls> i'll try re-installing without anything plugged in, maybe my firewire drive is interfering... despite me not installing on there
[01:15] <wdh> ama, one cd is more then enough
[01:15] <ama> cool cool
[01:16] <Okt> Anyone? Video Card Drivers.... Do I need them?
[01:16] <ama> not for every other distribution ive used
[01:16] <devazion> aoeu htns
[01:16] <Antioch> whiskers xmms or bmp, like I do in every other distro Ive used
[01:16] <Albacker> guys, where can I put the http proxy ?
[01:16] <fangorious> Okt: for what card, what features?
[01:16] <twalls> ama: you install the rest from online
[01:16] <mjr> Okt, which radeon is that?
[01:16] <penguin42> Okt: Sometimes for fast 3D stuff - but unlikely for most other things
[01:16] <thoreauputic> ama: other programs can be installed from the repositories
[01:16] <Okt> Ati Radeon 6900 pro
[01:16] <Jester> my font its different of the normal
[01:16] <penguin42> Okt: You mean 9600?
[01:16] <Okt> yea
[01:16] <Okt> whoops
[01:16] <mjr> Okt, you'd need the proprietary drivers for 3d, yes
[01:17] <Antioch> fangorious I have marillat
[01:17] <Okt> redrawing windows and stuff is sluggish
[01:17] <fangorious> Antioch: and that doesn't have xmms-mp3?
[01:17] <Okt> mjr: where would I find these
[01:17] <Jester> http://img100.exs.cx/img100/2900/erro5nc.jpg the first is mine... the second its from my friend
[01:17] <Antioch> fangorious not that my apt-get found
[01:17] <whiskers> Antioch, well there are files like mpg123 and mpg321 but i don't know their legality
[01:17] <penguin42> Sorry?  Ill give em a try.. gotta run
[01:18] <xvlun> is there an experimental kernel with inotify >0.21 available for hoary?
[01:18] <Albacker> can someone help me, on using a http proxy ?
[01:18] <wdh> Albacker, what part of using it?
[01:19] <Jester> =/ no one can help me?
[01:19] <fangorious> what do I need to compile a kernel driver (need to use CVS version of orinoco_cs for my card to scan)?
[01:19] <Jester> i made a specific question
[01:19] <Okt> anyone know how I can get the proprietary drivers for 3d
[01:19] <Albacker> wdh, I want to use the proxy, but I've never used one.
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Jester: be patient, please
[01:20] <wdh> Jester, its the same font.. only larger?
[01:20] <Albacker> wdh, is there any place where I can put it ?
[01:20] <fangorious> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:20] <wdh> albacker, if you are using hoary: System -> Preferences -> networkproxy
[01:20] <thoreauputic> Jester: just adjust your font size
[01:21] <thoreauputic> Jester: if it bothers you - I can't see why it would
[01:22] <whiskers> i don't know why these people want to bother with mp3
[01:22] <chazwurth> whiskers: what do you mean?
[01:22] <fangorious> whiskers: because I don't want to re-encode 3000 songs
[01:22] <penguin42> ah probably not
[01:22] <mohaham> Jester, u might want to read this- http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[01:23] <whiskers> fangorious, sounds lazy to me
[01:23] <Albacker> wdh, I'm not using hoary, is there any terminal way to do this ?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> whiskers: because a lot of them have gigabytes of the things in collections made over years
[01:23] <fangorious> whiskers, i don't se why you should care
[01:23] <xvlun> hardware support for other formats is poor...
[01:23] <wdh> fangorious, as long as it is automated, who cares about time..
[01:23] <whiskers> fangorious, well i guess you are right..it really is none of my business
[01:23] <chazwurth> whiskers: uuh...ogg may be nice, but re-ripping thousands of CDs? gimme a break
[01:23] <fangorious> wdh: how is ipping all my cds going to be automated?
[01:24] <wdh> well at least you could reencode your mp3 -> ogg :)
[01:24] <wdh> but that would be a matter of principle, and not very good for your quality
[01:24] <spikeb> i take it chazwurth wants mp3 support in <insert media player here>
[01:24] <puppeteer> does ubuntu 5.04 use xfree86 or xorg
[01:24] <wdh> s/your/the
[01:24] <chazwurth> wdh: indeed :)
[01:24] <spikeb> puppet xorg
[01:25] <tiredbones> What is totem? On many occasion while on the web I keep get messages that totem is not found.
[01:25] <puppeteer> thanks
[01:25] <fangorious> wdh, i could but i don't want to transcode from lossy to lossy. if my drive dies i might re-encode to something other than mp3, but otherwise there's no incentive at the moment
[01:25] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: it's a media player
[01:25] <difekta> what can I do to get gum out of something?
[01:25] <fangorious> difekta: floss?
[01:26] <spikeb> chazwurth another option is to transcode from mp3 to FLAC
[01:26] <spikeb> shouldn't be a loss in quality
[01:26] <epicenter> Could someone help me with my audio please? I installed Hoary and have nForce 3 onboard AC97 audio. It doesn't work at all. /dev/dsp is there but apps can't access it.
[01:26] <mohaham> puppeeteer,  xorg   i guess
[01:26] <epicenter> All I can get is a pop when ALSA loads or unloads.
[01:26] <tiredbones> What package is it in?
[01:26] <chazwurth> spikeb: even if I could do it with no loss of quality, I don't even want to think about how long it would take
[01:26] <Albacker> wdh, I added the proxy, how do I know that everything works fine ?
[01:26] <wdh> Albacker, switch to hoary then :)
[01:26] <fangorious> epicenter, try using esd instead
[01:26] <Aladdin> hi all
[01:26] <spikeb> chazwurth you could, and forever. heh
[01:26] <wdh> owh.. ok.. never mind..
[01:26] <yohannes> i am trying to remove my old kernel. i read in the forum, the command is "sudo apt-get remove kernelname". i am having trouble finding the kernelname, can any1 provide assistance?
[01:26] <chazwurth> :P
[01:26] <wdh> just try google.nl?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: there's totem-gstreamer and totem-xine
[01:27] <Aladdin> Somebody got a minute for samba configuration. shouldn't take long.
[01:27] <wdh> or 'traceroute google.com', if it passes through the proxy, it is working
[01:27] <mohaham> yahannes, look under /boot/
[01:27] <Albacker> wdh how ?
[01:27] <whiskers> epicenter, forget that esd sits on top of alsa....try using alsa-mixer to turn things on
[01:27] <jfk303> is it possible to apt-get for skype?
[01:27] <wdh> Albacker, 'sudo apt-get install traceroute && traceroute google.com'
[01:28] <wdh> jfk303, apt-cache search skype
[01:28] <fangorious> has anybody compiled a kernel driver?
[01:28] <chazwurth> jfk303: I don't believe so; I couldn't find a repository that has it at any rate. might be one out there.
[01:28] <epicenter> whiskers: Everything is on full volume in alsa-mixer
[01:28] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: What do you recommend ?
[01:28] <fangorious> epicenter: speakers turned on, with volume up?
[01:28] <whiskers> epicenter, are your outputs muted
[01:28] <mohaham> jfk303,  deb pkg is available on skype.com
[01:28] <epicenter> whiskers: no
[01:28] <whiskers> epicenter, did you unmute them
[01:29] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: totem-xine - but you need extra repositories to get it
[01:29] <epicenter> fangorious: yes.
[01:29] <epicenter> whiskers: They aren't muted
[01:29] <epicenter> whiskers: Sorry
[01:29] <epicenter> whiskers: worked fine in XP a minute ago, it's a software issue
[01:29] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: search the wiki for "restricted formats"
[01:29] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: I download uni yesterday.
[01:30] <whiskers> epicenter, what happens if you cat something.text /dev/dsp
[01:30] <whiskers> do you hear any wierd sounds at all
[01:30] <son> anyone here program python?
[01:30] <user-jon> hi.. is there anybody here i can ask about a kernel hang when i reboot my ubuntu?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: umm - you downloaded the university ? Or do you really mean you already have the repositories?
[01:30] <epicenter> whiskers: silence and no output to the terminal
[01:30] <wdh> son, /join #python :)
[01:30] <son> thankyou
[01:30] <Okt> how do I get rpm2tar, apt-get install rpm2tar does nothing
[01:30] <fangorious> anyone know why "Configuring network interfaces" takes at least a full minute during bootup, even though only "lo" is set to configure on boot?
[01:30] <whiskers> epicenter, no output to the terminal either...that is very strange
[01:30] <Albacker> wdh, I did traceroute google.com and the first ip was mine. i mean it wasnt hidden
[01:31] <wdh> Okt, search google?
[01:31] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: I think I got the repositories.
[01:31] <epicenter> whiskers: I'm getting that a lot :(
[01:31] <mohaham> user-jon , wht kernel r u using
[01:31] <wdh> Albacker, do you want it to be hidden from yourself? :P
[01:31] <Albacker> wdh, what do you mean.
[01:31] <Albacker> wdh, do you mean that if traceroute works it's working ?
[01:31] <wdh> what was the second  hop?? your proxy?
[01:31] <Marble2> how do I get ubuntu to recognize my usb device?
[01:31] <whiskers> epicenter, i wonder if you have lost stdin and stdout
[01:31] <fangorious> user-jon: can you boot in single user mode? (I think it's the recovery console from the grub menu)
[01:32] <fangorious> Marble2: plug it in?
[01:32] <wdh> Marble2, what kind of device?
[01:32] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: I had to download the repositories for menu-editor.
[01:32] <whiskers> epicenter, wow that is really wierd
[01:32] <user-jon> it's 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 (but happens, with other arcitechtures)
[01:32] <Albacker> wdh, <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[01:32] <Albacker> crfnac03-ukgrivelocity.btignite.com
[01:32] <Marble2> fangorious: i did
[01:32] <wdh> Albacker, is that your proxy or not?
[01:32] <Marble2> wdh: digital camera
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Okt: why do you need rpm2tar?
[01:32] <wdh> Albacker, i do not care about the exact link
[01:32] <pere> Hi. I have been struggling for hours to get 3D to function on my ATI card. I have enabled fglrx, but still MESA GLX Indirect is being used. Any ideas?
[01:32] <wdh> Marble2, try gtkam
[01:32] <epicenter> I don't know .. :(
[01:32] <whiskers> epicenter, did you change the kernels
[01:32] <fangorious> Marble2: anything being written to /var/log/messages about the hotplug events?
[01:32] <epicenter> everything just configures itself on all my other hardware
[01:33] <epicenter> whiskers: No. :(
[01:33] <Okt> Actually can't I just use Alien?
[01:33] <whiskers> epicenter, and you just installed hoary
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Okt: yes
[01:33] <DooD> anyone here has trouble installing kdevelop?
[01:33] <Marble2> fangorious: It shows up in device manager
[01:33] <Okt> ok
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Okt: but what for?
[01:33] <Marble2> how do I navigate to it though?
[01:33] <Albacker> wdh, that is what I found online, and added network proxy. than I did traceroute google.com
[01:33] <mohaham> user-jon, r u using the right kernel
[01:33] <fangorious> Marble2: what kind of camera? (if you have access to xp or os x, do they automatically try to load it as a file system or import pictures?)
[01:33] <wdh> Marble2, but before that, you could try to mount /dev/sda
[01:33] <Marble2> yes they do
[01:33] <Albacker> wdh, now how do i know that everything's alright.
[01:33] <ogra> Okt, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:33] <Okt> thoreauputic: I have a rpm, and supposibly I need to convert it
[01:34] <ogra> Okt, dont do that
[01:34] <ogra> Okt, ubuntu has packages for the binary drivers
[01:34] <user-jon> yes.. my problem is (on more than one machine) that if i boot up with Neither keyboard Nor mouse.. then the kernel hangs when i reboot.
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Okt: I gathered that - I was hoping you'd tell me what the rpm eas for - there might be a better way
[01:34] <Okt> oh
[01:34] <Okt> ok
[01:34] <thoreauputic> *was
[01:34] <ogra> Okt, look at the wiki page i posted
[01:34] <wdh> Albacker, stop bothering, search google.. or check www.whatismyip.com << your ip, then its not hidden.. if else, its your proxy.. and you are hidden
[01:35] <wdh> Albacker, who cares about anonimity?
[01:35] <penguin42> user-jon, At what point does it hang?
[01:35] <wdh> what the heck is anyone going to do with your IP address?
[01:35] <Nermal> anyone else have a problem with nautilus not thumbnailing images or videos ?
[01:35] <penguin42> wdh: Feed your information to the CIA of course
[01:35] <jdub> GOOOOOOOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[01:35] <jdub> who loves ubuntu?
[01:35] <ogra> yay jdub
[01:35] <jdub> <- loves ubuntu
[01:35] <wdh> penguin42, :P
[01:35] <fangorious> howdy jdub
[01:35] <jdub> if you love ubuntu
[01:36] <jdub> you should be on the global map of ubuntu lovers!
[01:36] <jdub> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide
[01:36] <jdub> ^ LOVE!
[01:36] <ogra> YEAH
[01:36] <penguin42> jdub, Well its starting to feel kind of warm and definitely friendly - I wouldn't like to say love yet at such an early stage
[01:36] <ogra> GO THERE
[01:36] <Marble2> fangorious: where does it mount the files to?
[01:36] <Nermal> n00bs
[01:36] <Marble2> device manager shows it as a usb device
[01:36] <chazwurth> Nermal: not really. did you check the settings? the files you're looking at may be larger than it's set to preview.
[01:36] <user-jon> right at the very last step when it runs the reboot command from /etc/init.d
[01:36] <fangorious> Marble2: hotplug stuff like that should automount under /media, and put an icon on your desktop
[01:36] <Nermal> chazwurth, images as well.. I have few jpegs over 5mb
[01:37] <Marble2> fangorious: not there
[01:37] <DooD> guys do you recommend installing kde at all?
[01:37] <chazwurth> Nermal: dunno what to tell you. It's working for me. Maybe check bugzilla.
[01:37] <DooD> i read some articles about kde not being good
[01:37] <fangorious> Marble2: you need to have the HAL and DBUS stuff running, probably other stuff, but that's all default (so it should be running if you didn't turn it off)
[01:37] <chazwurth> DooD: If you're interested in it, I'd suggest installing it and playing around with it for a while. Form your own opinion.
[01:37] <Marble2> i didn't turn it off
[01:37] <thoreauputic> DooD: It's a matter of personal preference
[01:37] <penguin42> DooD, Some people like it a lot - certainly I'm using Gnome for the first day in a long time and there are some things that bug me - its your own choice
[01:37] <fangorious> Marble2: do you hav a USB thumbdrive, external drive, or firewire drive you could test?
[01:38] <peck_> hello all
[01:38] <chazwurth> DooD: I can't stand it personally, but I know a lot of people who love it.
[01:38] <fangorious> peck_: hi
[01:38] <pere> Hi. I have been struggling for hours to get 3D to function on my ATI card. I have enabled fglrx, but still MESA GLX Indirect is being used. Do anybody know what could be wrong?
[01:38] <EMan> Hmm, I am still getting unable to open /dev/dsp with ALSA, any ideas? I closed my volume applet from the tray....
[01:38] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: I'm on the wiki page and I can't see the topic "restricted format".
[01:38] <wdh> fangorious, that automount stuff stopped working a while ago..
[01:38] <DooD> well if i install kde can i remove it later if i didn't like it
[01:38] <Marble2> fangorious: well I have a usb mouse
[01:38] <Marble2> that's working fine
[01:38] <Marble2> printer too, that works
[01:38] <wdh> at least for usb-flash drives..
[01:38] <ogra> DooD, sure...
[01:38] <fangorious> Dood: don't tak other people's word for it. if you're curious, install kubuntu-desktop and it out
[01:38] <Marble2> but the camera, it shows up in device manager but I can't find where it puts the files
[01:39] <DooD> ok thanks
[01:39] <fangorious> Marble2: those aren't storage mediums
[01:39] <ogra> DooD, and you probably should ask in #kubuntu too ;)
[01:39] <Marble2> no I don't
[01:39] <mohaham> tiredbones,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:39] <|PecK|> don't know where to ask the question : should I go deep into php, or should I learn Python??
[01:39] <Nermal> fixed :)
[01:39] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:39] <DooD> thanks
[01:40] <jinXKat__> DooD: nice name
[01:40] <epicenter> whiskers; yeah, this is a fresh install
[01:40] <ogra> |PecK|, do the last, it has more opportunities
[01:40] <jinXKat__> american?
[01:40] <Riddell> |PecK|: both are good, PHP more popular for web stuff, python quite up-and-coming for GUI stuff
[01:40] <andrek> in grub, how do i know which disk is 0,0 and 0,1 and so on?
[01:40] <ogra> Riddell, hey
[01:40] <Riddell> evening ogra
[01:40] <fangorious> Marble2:  type 'mount' in a terminal if it's mounted you should see where in the output
[01:40] <ogra> Riddell, i'm just doing a lot web development in python ;)
[01:40] <wdh> Marble2, you  might have to mount it yourself, for me, the following did the job: mount /dev/sda /mnt/
[01:40] <EMan> aplay -l is showing my devices properly.... but what could be locking /dev/dsp?
[01:40] <penguin42> andrek, after installation there is a file /boot/grub/device.map
[01:40] <|PecK|> ogra, Riddell, thx. Can I query into mysql db with python ? is it good for web dev?
[01:40] <tiredbones> mohaham: thanks
[01:41] <wdh> Marble2, of course you could change /mnt with whatever folder you want it to be mounted
[01:41] <Marble2> fangorious: usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[01:41] <Adross> my firefox status has gone kinda...invisable
[01:41] <mohaham> andrek, 0,0- firstdisk,partition1;  0,1-firstdisk,partition2
[01:41] <Riddell> |PecK|: python seems to be good for just about anything
[01:41] <wdh> Marble2, thats something else
[01:41] <Riddell> |PecK|: just don't tell that to a ruby user
[01:41] <Marble2> /dev/sda does not show up
[01:41] <fangorious> Marble2: that's a meta thing, not reall a mounted device
[01:41] <ogra> Peck, as good as php or perl....but if you know .py you have the optio to do more later without learning an extra lang
[01:41] <andrek> mohaham, penguin42, ok.. and the second number answears to the sda number? 0,1 = sda1 and 0,5 = sda5?
[01:41] <whiskers> epicenter, well i have rebooted numerous times and i have not lost any devices....perhaps there is a lock on it.
[01:41] <mohaham> tiredbones, ur welcome
[01:41] <|PecK|> Riddell, :)))
[01:41] <epicenter> Ubuntu doesn't seem to like my desktop at all. Unknown Devices everywhere, nv didn't work with X and I had to use the ultra-slow VESA, now, no sound
[01:42] <penguin42> andrek: Yeh second number is partition
[01:42] <Marble2> mount: special device /dev/sda/ does not exist
[01:42] <epicenter> how would I un-lock it? :P
[01:42] <penguin42> andrek: Nice think in grub is it will let you tab complete on them
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Adross: I don't understand what you mean
[01:42] <linuxn00b> Hey, has anyone been able to get Enemy Territory to work on hoary?
[01:42] <jinXKat__> epicenter: with a key silly
[01:42] <fangorious> wdh: sda or sda1?
[01:42] <whiskers> epicenter, but even stranger is your loss of terminal output
[01:42] <Adross> in firefox, i have no status bar
[01:42] <Adross> updating to hoary anyway, so no biggy
[01:42] <penguin42> Marble2: Is that last / really there?
[01:42] <epicenter> why would I get terminal output dropping a file on /dev/dsp ?
[01:42] <|PecK|> Now, ogra and Riddell, for the million euro (dollar is gone) question : what do I need to start developping ? any website I should read?
[01:42] <fangorious> Adross: View->Status bar
[01:43] <DooD> umm anyone know where i can install netbeans or anjuta from?
[01:43] <wdh> Marble2, check gtkam then: 'sudo apt-get install gtkam'
[01:43] <Riddell> |PecK|: for php http://php.net/manual is all you need
[01:43] <Marble2> penguin42: doesn't work without the / either
[01:43] <Adross> ah, thanks
[01:43] <ogra> |PecK|, dive into python is a very good book (online, pdf or printed)
[01:43] <Adross> cya
[01:43] <whiskers> epicenter, what happens if you open a terminal and just cat something.txt
[01:43] <Riddell> |PecK|: for python http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html
[01:43] <Marble2> wdh: gtkam?
[01:43] <fangorious> anyone know if airo_cs supports scanning for an aironet 340 card?
[01:43] <wdh> a nice applet for cameras :)
[01:43] <enkidu> can someone tell me how to setup alsa? It looks like the driver is installed but it still wont work.  Also, OSS Mixer is installed beside it so should i disable one?
[01:43] <ogra> |PecK|, and what Riddell said
[01:43] <penguin42> DooD: Anjuta seems to be in the 'universe' install set
[01:44] <epicenter> whiskers: lots of garbage and a beeping pc speaker
[01:44] <DooD> ok found it
[01:44] <DooD> what about netbeans
[01:44] <|PecK|> ogra, Riddell, u've made my day for the moment. will kiss you when opportunity comes up :)))
[01:44] <|PecK|> thx !
[01:44] <whiskers> epicenter, ok so your terminal is working
[01:44] <whiskers> ok while in terminal go to /dev and type file dsp
[01:44] <enkidu> I've had a problem with alsa since I installed, no sound at all but both speakers click when something should play.
[01:44] <ogra> |PecK|, rather write good apps and donate them ;)
[01:44] <Marble2> wdh: gtkam found it
[01:45] <Marble2> how can i find out where gtkam is finding the pictures though?
[01:45] <fangorious> does anyone know what is needed to compile kernel drivers?
[01:45] <whiskers> what does it say
[01:45] <wdh> Marble2, show some initiative
[01:45] <super_dude2> i need help with my soundcard it will not make any sounds help me...
[01:45] <epicenter> whiskers: yes.Just ... not much else :(
[01:45] <|PecK|> ogra, Bill's not my type :)
[01:45] <Marble2> fiiine
[01:45] <whiskers> epicenter, what does it say
[01:45] <epicenter> maybe I should install warty? Would I have less compatibility issues?
[01:45] <epicenter> what does what say?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> fangorious: a start would be build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:46] <ogra> heh
[01:46] <DooD> anyone know a good java development environment?
[01:46] <epicenter> this isn't new hardware at all; nF3 came out about a year and a half ago. I have no idea why nothing is detecting properly
[01:46] <fangorious> thoreauputic: I shouldn't need to install the whole kernel source and prep the .config and all that though, right?
[01:46] <whiskers> epicenter, you are not answering the question...what does it say if you go to /dev and type file dsp
[01:46] <wdh> Marble2, my guess is that you can save al pics that are on the camera.. and it probably asks you where to do it
[01:47] <epicenter> whiskers: I didn't see you ASK the question
[01:47] <thoreauputic> fangorious: I doubt it - but some binary drivers are available using apt as well
[01:47] <whiskers> epicenter, i did several times
[01:47] <epicenter> Just you saying "what does it say" twice
[01:47] <mohaham> Dood, i wud suggest eclipse
[01:47] <super_dude2> can someone please help me with my sound card
[01:47] <epicenter> whiskers: it says :  dsp: character special (14/3)
[01:47] <fangorious> thoreauputic: yeah. I just need a CVS version of orinoco_cs (to override what the kernel ships with) for my linksys wpc_11 v3 to scan
[01:48] <DooD> i'd have to install j2se too?
[01:48] <fangorious> thoreauputic: thanks
[01:48] <whiskers> epicenter, now type ls -al dsp and read that to me
[01:48] <epicenter> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-04-09 18:59 dsp
[01:48] <penguin42> epicenter: snap
[01:49] <epicenter> ..?
[01:49] <ogra> epicenter, looks ok...
[01:49] <penguin42> epicenter: Looks same as mine
[01:49] <HelpMe> can someone please help me with my sound card i cant play any kind of music or souds
[01:49] <whiskers> epicenter, well the kernel and udev is setting up the device
[01:49] <DooD> mohaham: do i have to install another app to support eclipse?
[01:49] <hilz> Hi...I'm trying to install ubuntu, and it fails at the "Install the Base System" step with an error "No Installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources". any idea what this could be? i am installing from the 386 iso burned on a cd.(md5 of iso verified).
[01:49] <ogra> epicenter, are you in the audio group ?
[01:49] <jinXKat__> well tht was a retarded name change
[01:49] <hilz> please help
[01:49] <jinXKat__> kinda like shoot me
[01:49] <epicenter> ogra: yes
[01:49] <whiskers> uh...lets check your alsa.conf
[01:49] <epicenter> OK.
[01:49] <penguin42> hilz: What processor have you got?
[01:49] <epicenter> what dir?
[01:49] <epicenter> /etc/?
[01:50] <hilz> intel celeron
[01:50] <hilz> 333 i guess
[01:50] <penguin42> hilz: Hmm nothing odd about that
[01:50] <ogra> hilz, at what speed did you burn ?
[01:50] <hilz> no idea...probably the fastest
[01:50] <HelpMe> can someone please help me with my soundcard isues
[01:50] <ogra> bad
[01:50] <hilz> should i slow the burning down?
[01:50] <jfk303> I've got the skype.deb file and a trying to install it I've tried 'dkpg -i skype.deb' but it does'nt seem to work? Any ideas?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> hilz: yes
[01:51] <epicenter> whiskers: where is alsa.conf?
[01:51] <hilz> hmmmmmmmmm
[01:51] <ogra> hilz, not faster then 8x, safe is 4x
[01:51] <hilz> ok, i'll give that a try
[01:51] <hilz> thanks...
[01:51] <thoreauputic> hilz: did you do an md5sum check on the ISO ?
[01:51] <hilz> will be back if it didn't work!
[01:51] <hilz> yes i did md5
[01:51] <hilz> check
[01:51] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:51] <mohaham> DooD, u might want to check this out,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE
[01:51] <tiredbones> Can someone tell me why totem-xine is in the RestrictedFormat?
[01:51] <penguin42> Is there an ubuntu developer watching this channel and observing the set of common queries?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> hilz: try like 4X or something conservative like that
[01:52] <ogra> penguin42, some
[01:52] <epicenter> should I just reinstall and pray it works? :(
[01:52] <whiskers> epicenter, this is so different from gentoo.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: because it uses restricted codecs etc
[01:52] <epicenter> what about gentoo, now? :P
[01:52] <whiskers> epicenter, ok go to /etc/modules-init
[01:52] <epicenter> I've only used Debian and this, and BSD
[01:52] <penguin42> ogra: Ah good - its quite interesting seeing the repeated ones coming up - I've been on for probably ~4 hours now and I've lost count of the number of alsa queries!
[01:52] <whiskers> epicenter, i mean /etc/modutils
[01:52] <mohaham> jfk303, were u able to install skype
[01:52] <HelpMe> Why Wont anyone help me with my soundcard
[01:53] <epicenter> OK
[01:53] <penguin42> HelpMe: There seem to be lots of people with soundcard problems tonight
[01:53] <ogra> penguin42, thats the endless repetition....
[01:53] <jfk303> mohaham: no
[01:53] <whiskers> did you go to /etc/modutils and find an alsa file
[01:53] <epicenter> alsa-base only
[01:53] <HelpMe> well why not help me please :)
[01:53] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: probably because 1) they are busy or 2) they don't have an answer
[01:53] <ogra> penguin42, alsa will always be on the list, as binary drivers or restricted formats will
[01:53] <whiskers> epicenter, yes that one...ok nano that filename
[01:53] <epicenter> ok
[01:53] <epicenter> i'm in.
[01:54] <mohaham> jfk303, i mean was the dpkg successful
[01:54] <HelpMe> well another guy tryied to help me a wile ago and fixed it until i restarted
[01:54] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: also as far as I can see you haven't asked a question
[01:54] <mohaham> jfk303, dpkg -i skype.deb
[01:54] <penguin42> ogra: Yeh - I'm surprised alsa hasn't got better; I always just stick with creative cards and it seems safe!
[01:54] <chazwurth> HelpMe: what did he have you do that stopped working when you restarted?
[01:55] <jfk303> mohaham: it seemed so but I checked var/dkpg/lib where I though it was going to put it and nothing?
[01:55] <ogra> penguin42, the alsa problems are something we hope to sort out with the hardware database data
[01:55] <enkidu> um, what is suppose to be in the /etc/modutils/alsa-base file? because there is only one line in mine
[01:55] <mohaham> jfk303, pls look under internet menu
[01:55] <whiskers> enkidu, sudo nano filename...there should be lots of stuff
[01:56] <penguin42> ogra: ah ok
[01:56] <epicenter> whiskers: now what?
[01:56] <HelpMe> i did lots of command in terminal and thn played a sound thr it after i shutdown my computer and turned it on the next day it did not play that sound again some of the command i had to do extra stuff so i cant do them again cause im not being told what to press
[01:56] <ogra> penguin42, the trick with alsa in ubuntu is just to find the right module and load it...there is not much magic left :)
[01:56] <penguin42> ogra: Hey for me the autodetect worked
[01:56] <jfk303> mohaham: hey its there but does'nt work?
[01:57] <enkidu> there is only one line in alsa-base: above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss
[01:57] <whiskers> epicenter, ok what do you see
[01:57] <ogra> penguin42, for most people it works...but there are still enough where it doesnt
[01:57] <james_> jfk303: hi
[01:57] <epicenter> whiskers: a lot of post-installs, options, aliases ..
[01:57] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: it's kind of hard to help you when your description is so vague...
[01:57] <whiskers> epicenter, yes that is right
[01:57] <epicenter> Is my card just unsupported?   2) what sound card are you using?
[01:58] <mohaham> jfk303, it does..
[01:59] <ogra> epicenter, ouch...
[01:59] <kdp> HelpMe: to recreate what you did, look at your .bash_profile
[01:59] <kdp> er, .bash_history
[01:59] <HelpMe> its a built in one i dotnt know what it is
[01:59] <ogra> epicenter, looks like your HW is pretty new
[01:59] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[01:59] <jfk303> mohaham, ok, I'll try removing it and installing it again?
[01:59] <HelpMe> kdp: i cant it wasnt just commands i had to press buttons as well
[02:00] <RealKillaz> I'm very excited about ubuntu guys... I hope it will meet my expectations
[02:00] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: read the link I posted for you then come back
[02:00] <HelpMe> ok
[02:00] <whiskers> epicenter, ok in that file did you see it call the snd-pcm and snd-mixer etc
[02:00] <enkidu> Can anyone tell me why my /etc/modutils/alsa-base file only contains one line?
[02:00] <epicenter> eep..
[02:00] <carthik> RealKillaz, ubuntu gals are very exciting too ... lol
[02:00] <epicenter> I think so
[02:00] <penguin42> epicenter:  OK, it looks like nForce 3 is explicitly supported by the intel8x0 driver
[02:00] <whiskers> epicenter, ok...then do lsmod to see if those modules are loaded
[02:00] <ogra> enkidu, because it isnt used...
[02:01] <enkidu> what do you mean?
[02:01] <RealKillaz> carthik: oh yeah.... where are they?
[02:01] <kelk1> k. live starts on my laptop, but it picked a wrong resolution. Can I pass the resolution at boot time?
[02:02] <epicenter> snd_intel8x0 and snd_ac97_codec are loaded
[02:02] <epicenter> I do have ac97 codec and that is the right driver..
[02:02] <HelpMe> oi that dont help me
[02:02] <RealKillaz> carthik: show me .. so I can enjoy!
[02:02] <whiskers> epicenter, ok...keep going are the snd-pcm and other stuff loaded
[02:02] <|iSquared|> other people having sound problems too?
[02:02] <epicenter> snd-pcm is not
[02:02] <crimsun> enkidu: modutils is for 2.4 kernels
[02:03] <epicenter> snd_mixer_oss is
[02:03] <epicenter> but not snd-mixer
[02:03] <enkidu> ok, so where would i look for the settings to alsa?
[02:03] <epicenter> snd_pcm_oss is .. but not snd-pcm
[02:03] <crimsun> enkidu: "settings to alsa"?
[02:03] <whiskers> yes that is ok...but is snd-intel8x0 loaded
[02:03] <rr72> hi Grim76
[02:03] <enkidu> alsa is not working, and i was told on the message boards to edit that file, but theres nothing in it
[02:04] <whiskers> enkidu, you don't have the right permissions...there is stuff in it
[02:04] <enkidu> i su'ed to root and still nothing
[02:04] <crimsun> enkidu: ...don't edit /etc/*/alsa*
[02:04] <epicenter> whiskers: do I need to get snd-pcm and snd-mixer somehow running then?
[02:05] <whiskers> ok you su to root and nano /etc/modutils/alsa-bas
[02:05] <whiskers> base
[02:05] <crimsun> epicenter: what sound card do you have?
[02:05] <whiskers> epicenter, first is snd-intel8x0 loaded
[02:05] <Grim76> hello rr72
[02:05] <epicenter> crimsun: nForce 3 onboard ac97
[02:05] <whiskers> epicenter, you have to answer the questions
[02:05] <enkidu> yes, and there is still only one line in it
[02:05] <rr72> Grim76~ why don't u go to #suse any more?
[02:05] <epicenter> whiskers: yes it is.
[02:05] <ogra> crimsun, epicenter has an nforce it seems
[02:05] <crimsun> whiskers: scroll up, he answered that already
[02:05] <twalls> wow... ubuntu is like sex
[02:06] <whiskers> is snd-pcm loaded
[02:06] <crimsun> ogra: ok.
[02:06] <epicenter> yes
[02:06] <epicenter> now it is
[02:06] <epicenter> I loaded it
[02:06] <epicenter> twalls: When it works, it is :(
[02:06] <Grim76> rr72 not using it anylonger actually.  Moved to FC3 and Ubuntu
[02:06] <enkidu> yes, snd_pcm is loaded
[02:06] <whiskers> ok is snd_ac_97codec loaded
[02:06] <epicenter> arrrghhh
[02:06] <rr72> Grim76~ u don't like it ne more?
[02:06] <crimsun> epicenter: what's not working with it? Paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto http://pastebin.com
[02:06] <ogra> epicenter, listen to crimsun, he knows about audio....
[02:06] <epicenter> maybe I should just go steal a PCI sound card from some box
[02:07] <twalls> it likes my ibook very much :D
[02:07] <Grim76> It is ok...however these two distros solved a few problems I was having that I could not seem to get permanently resolved in suse
[02:07] <penguin42> epicenter: You know real absolutely bog standard bototm of the range creative cards just work
[02:07] <rr72> kool
[02:07] <twalls> video works, sound works, wifi works, keyboard works, touchpad works, cd/dvd works... network printing works
[02:07] <thoreauputic> twalls: you got it working then?
[02:07] <epicenter> http://pastebin.com/269459 ?
[02:07] <twalls> yup :)
[02:08] <|iSquared|> sounds like lots of people are having sound issues.... i am.. i get crackly sound
[02:08] <twalls> im guessing it was the firewire drive i had plugged in... not sure why, since i didnt touch it
[02:08] <sfo01> Might be a stupid question, but is there a way to copy the live cd on disk and boot from it?
[02:08] <twalls> oh for sound, try boosting your drc range in alsamixer
[02:08] <crimsun> epicenter: and you're using the line-out for speakers?
[02:08] <RealKillaz> do you have to download the CDs to be able to upgrade ubuntu?
[02:08] <epicenter> the green jack, yeah
[02:08] <epicenter> line-out.
[02:08] <epicenter> it's not a hardware issue; worked in XP an hour or two ago
[02:09] <thoreauputic> RealKillaz: no
[02:09] <chazwurth> sfo01: not that I know of, but isn't that just like installing?
[02:09] <RealKillaz> upgrade to 5.04
[02:09] <penguin42> iSquared: Which chipset?
[02:09] <twalls> what do you have to adjust in alsamixer epicenter?
[02:09] <penguin42> iSquared: Crackly but is audible?
[02:09] <crimsun> epicenter: are you using in-kernel ALSA or alsa-source?
[02:09] <epicenter> master, pcm, surround, center, lfe, line, line in,  cd
[02:09] <|iSquared|> penguin42, yes
[02:09] <epicenter> I have no idea, I just installed hoary
[02:09] <epicenter> It's SOMETHING Alsa-related
[02:09] <twalls> hmm
[02:09] <epicenter> yet every sound app I run bitches about OSS!
[02:09] <twalls> for me, it was the drc range that had to be bumped up
[02:10] <twalls> it was really poppy and inconsistent
[02:10] <thoreauputic> RealKillaz: edit your sources to replace "warty" with "hoary" , then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:10] <penguin42> iSquared: just do a cat /proc/asound/cards and tell me what card it is - I've seen it on an Ensoniq AudioPCI
[02:10] <crimsun> epicenter: cat /proc/asound/cards  lists only one card, correct?
[02:10] <twalls> but now it sounds fine
[02:10] <sfo01> chazwurth, not really. Just making a directory in an existing distro.
[02:10] <epicenter> Since I loaded those modules VLC stopped whinign about /dev/dsp
[02:10] <crimsun> epicenter: unmute the 'External Amplifier'
[02:10] <epicenter> but it still play silence
[02:10] <|iSquared|> it did this when i installed mandrake 9 a while back, it's my via1612A integrated on my shuttle ak32a board
[02:10] <epicenter> ok
[02:10] <epicenter> crimsun: still no sound.
[02:11] <epicenter> it became '00' instead of 'MM'
[02:11] <crimsun> epicenter: good.
[02:11] <enkidu> should i upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:11] <kdp> of course!
[02:11] <chazwurth> sfo01: aah. I have no idea how you'd make that bootable.
[02:11] <HelpMe> has anone decided to help me get my sound card going yet Why doesnt it work?
[02:11] <Vjaz> Yes.
[02:11] <ogra> enkidu, sure :)
[02:11] <|iSquared|> penguin42, did that help? the via1612a?
[02:11] <enkidu> is there an easy way to do that without redooing the whole install from cd?
[02:11] <penguin42> iSquared: Try playing around with any of the on/off mixer switches (e.g. external amp as crimsun just suggested, but also I've seen one marked IEC...)
[02:11] <epicenter> crimsun: I got:
[02:11] <RealKillaz> thoreaputic: ok I'll do that when I finished installing this one.
[02:11] <ogra> enkidu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:11] <epicenter> 0 [CK8S           ] : NFORCE - NVidia CK8S
[02:11] <epicenter>                      NVidia CK8S with CMI9761 at 0xfdffb000, irq 20
[02:11] <epicenter> 1 [Bt878          ] : Bt87x - Brooktree Bt878
[02:11] <epicenter>                      Brooktree Bt878 at 0xfddfd000, irq 16
[02:11] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: you didn't read that link, obviously
[02:12] <enkidu> ogra, thanks
[02:12] <epicenter> my video capture card's in there too O.o
[02:12] <crimsun> penguin42: iec958 is optical out, spdif
[02:12] <RealKillaz> cause I'm already installing a CD I got from a friend
[02:12] <sfo01> chazwurth, I was more thinking about using the existing lilo or grub.
[02:12] <|iSquared|> which mixer do i use to do that?
[02:12] <RealKillaz> and I think it has the old version warty
[02:12] <HelpMe> its not helpful its not going to fix my soundcard it will just rid of me for a few hours
[02:12] <whiskers> epicenter, well i am going to leave it to crimson but we have already been through that mixer jazz
[02:12] <sfo01> chazwurth, but don't bother.  I love this thing :)
[02:13] <moeru> whee
[02:13] <epicenter> ok.
[02:13] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: it's extremely helpful, and will teach you how to get useful help
[02:13] <whiskers> epicenter, that is where we started
[02:13] <epicenter> yep :(
[02:13] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: until you ask good questions, you won't get good answers
[02:14] <crimsun> epicenter: mute Surround
[02:14] <flipy> how can i get gaim to blink when it gets a new message? :(
[02:14] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: "garbage in, garbage out"
[02:14] <DooD> guys do you know a good program for web development under gnome?
[02:14] <RealKillaz> where can I check the difference between two version?
[02:14] <epicenter> ok
[02:14] <HelpMe> look you guys are the worst helpers in the world you cant even try to help me
[02:14] <RealKillaz> DooD: bluefish?
[02:14] <ogra> RealKillaz, lsb_release -a
[02:15] <epicenter> HelpMe: Your questions make no sense.
[02:15] <crimsun> HelpMe: you're one impatient person
[02:15] <RealKillaz> ogra: thre is not a list on the website?
[02:15] <HelpMe> WHY doesnt my soundcard work?
[02:15] <epicenter> crimsun: Muted, no help
[02:15] <DooD> thanks
[02:15] <Arnia> flipy: The message notification plugin
[02:15] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: you don't want the help offered, and you insult us - what are you expecting then?
[02:15] <epicenter> HelpMe: WHAT IS the meaning of life?
[02:15] <chazwurth> HelpMe: let me translate. He's trying to say, "You're being rude, not looking for any information on your own, and acting like you're entitled to help, so no one wants to help you."
[02:15] <DooD> any uml designing programs?
[02:15] <flipy> Arnia, can you explain it a little bit more?
[02:15] <Arnia> flipy: Go to plugins in preferences
[02:15] <crimsun> HelpMe: can't you see there are only a FEW of us helping with sound? Wait patiently.
[02:16] <RealKillaz> DooD: np
[02:16] <ogra> RealKillaz, the old version is 4.10 (warty), the new version is 5.04 (hoary)
[02:16] <Arnia> DooD: ArgoUML (java) or Umbrello (KDE) or even Dia (GTk)
[02:16] <chazwurth> HelpMe: For example: you don't need one of us to figure out what sound card you have. Use google. Get a screwdriver and open your case up so you can look at the damn thing. Look at the vendor's documentation for the machine.
[02:16] <super_dude2> REMEMBER ME!
[02:16] <epicenter> crimsun: Do you think my video capture card is interfering? IT does show up as a sound card.
[02:16] <DooD> i already installed umbrello under gnome
[02:16] <RealKillaz> ogra: I know... but I mean a "What's new" list...
[02:16] <DooD> will it work?
[02:16] <mz2> DooD, don't know about any good gnome tools for that, but if you need a wysiwyg editor, install Nvu, and if you want a really good html/xml/whatnot editor, install jEdit
[02:16] <super_dude2> crimsun: hello again
[02:17] <Arnia> DooD: Yes, but it will look odd :)
[02:17] <ogra> RealKillaz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[02:17] <mz2> oh, uml :)
[02:17] <crimsun> epicenter: it shouldn't be interfering. aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav  gives you silence?
[02:17] <mz2> umbrello is crap
[02:17] <mz2> unstable as hell
[02:17] <DooD> nvu and jedit
[02:17] <DooD> ok
[02:17] <DooD> thanks
[02:17] <epicenter> crimsun: yes
[02:17] <RealKillaz> ogra: thnx
[02:18] <DooD> what category is nvu under?
[02:18] <epicenter> crimsun: Silence. and if I use XMMS I get "WARNING alsa_setup(): failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy"
[02:18] <DooD> i couldn't find either of those two
[02:18] <Riddell> mz2: I don't remember getting any bugzilla reports from you
[02:18] <crimsun> epicenter: well, did you change xmms's output to esound?
[02:18] <libben> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686-smp root=/dev/hdb3 ro quiet splash //// Do i just add the xpm.gz file here? and can i add vga=791?
[02:18] <epicenter> crimsun: No, it's on ALSA. Esound does the same
[02:18] <epicenter> crimsun: lsof /dev/dsp says vlc has it open but it doesn't
[02:19] <whiskers> epicenter, i can't resist but you may be running two sound cards and need a special alsaconfig
[02:19] <crimsun> epicenter: set it to esound.
[02:19] <DooD> mz2: what category are Vnu and jEdit under
[02:19] <crimsun> whiskers: he doesn't.
[02:19] <DooD> they're not under main or universe or multiverse i already searched
[02:19] <epicenter> "Can't open audio"
[02:19] <libben> anyone?
[02:19] <crimsun> whiskers: hw:0 is separate from hw:1; they don't conflict
[02:19] <ogra> whiskers, thats all kernel 2.4 ....
[02:19] <epicenter> unless it thinks my bt878 capture card is an audio card
[02:19] <epicenter> it shows up
[02:19] <mz2> Riddell, when i last tried it, it was below the point where i'd want to bother, as it was also rather unproductive to my taste (this sounds harsher than i wanted :). i've invested in MagicDraw to wait for a good free uml modeler :)
[02:19] <crimsun> epicenter: good, that's what you're supposed to get.
[02:20] <super_dude2> crimsun: you already helped me with my soundcard i remember you but you help too many ppl so you wont remember me i asked the same question and you answer but this time you guys wont  it quite silly my questions not bad you guy just wont it to be cuase it worked last time and the only thing thats difrent is everyone else
[02:20] <crimsun> epicenter: I'm matching your amixer output to mine, sec
[02:20] <whiskers> crimsun, no..not the hardware but the assignment of the modules
[02:20] <whiskers> crimsun, but i don't know i never tried 2 sound cards
[02:21] <crimsun> super_dude2: I'm not purposely ignoring you; if you'd like help, notice that there are very few people helping with sound. Please paste the relevant information onto http://pastebin.com and be patient.
[02:21] <whiskers> crimsun, it would be interesting to know if it can work
[02:21] <super_dude2> grr thats what you said last time
[02:21] <crimsun> whiskers: his /proc/asound/cards shows that his onboard chipset is the primary one, as expected.
[02:21] <Riddell> mz2: well if you don't report problems, it's kinday hard to fix them
[02:22] <crimsun> super_dude2: I am _one_ volunteer. Do not expect me to help you and you only.
[02:22] <ogra> super_dude2, so just do what he said... and give the pastebin url :)
[02:22] <Cicada> hey all, I'm having some trouble installing ubuntu... It is hanging on the Configuring APT section of the install... "testing network repository"
[02:22] <Cicada> any ideas
[02:22] <RealKillaz> hehehe lemme logout out of here and start playing with Ubuntu
[02:22] <whiskers> crimsun, oh...ok...well one module did not load and he did successfully load it...but there may be more
[02:23] <crimsun> super_dude2: there are about five people asking about sound, and it's very hectic. I'm sorry I can't answer your question immediately, but that's just how I function.
[02:23] <Cicada> eeek busy in here this morning
[02:24] <Cicada> you'll all be pleased... just dumped fedora for ubuntu
[02:24] <crimsun> whiskers: (right, but his amixer output is what I'm using to diagnose)
[02:24] <kdp> is it necessary to be sorry? not really
[02:24] <super_dude2> crimsun: maby if you had good memory you wuld already realise that you helped me a while ago and know what to do it didnt take you one hour last time for nothing
[02:24] <kdp> so...feel good about helping even 1 person!
[02:24] <spanglesontoast> where can i get sun-j2sdk1.5 as a package?
[02:24] <whiskers> crimsun, ok you go ahead...i am just curious
[02:25] <thoreauputic> super_dude2: you are acting, to be honest, like a spoiled child
[02:25] <mz2> Riddell, quite true. but also, you can't expect every user who tries Umbrello and finds it unsuitable for his uses, to file bugs. at the time I tried umbrello I just needed to get something done quickly, and Umbrello kept messing up in various ways (that was about six months ago, do you think i should reconsider? :)
[02:25] <KillazUbuntu> well...
[02:25] <sysrq> super_dude2: maybe you should just shutup and stop making an ass of yourself, you don't deserve the help you've already gotten with an attitude like that
[02:25] <crimsun> whiskers: feel free to help; by all means, there aren't enough helpers :)
[02:25] <ogra> spanglesontoast, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:25] <Grim76> Super:  Just wait...this is right after a release...there will be many people with questions.  Please be patient.  Many others are waiting on questions to be answered, and they are waiting patiently...so please wait as they are as well.
[02:26] <|PecK|>  anyone remember those telnet rpg games?
[02:26] <sysrq> |PecK|: MUDs?
[02:26] <epicenter> crimsun: Maybe I should pull my capture card and reboot?
[02:26] <epicenter> and see if it helps?
[02:26] <penguin42> anyway I'm out of here - my debian/sid conversion seems to be a happy ubuntu now - the only gotcha I have is remote printing
[02:26] <Riddell> mz2: there's been a lot of problems fixed in 1.4 (with KDE 3.4, in hoary)
[02:26] <whiskers> crimsun, it seems to me the easiest way to get it working is to use bios to shut off the mobo soundchip and play/record sound from his video/snd card
[02:27] <whiskers> crimsun, but you know if he can get two working that is interesting
[02:27] <Cicada> hey my install just got somewhere after hanging for 20 minutes =)
[02:27] <crimsun> epicenter: it really has nothing to do with your onboard sound not working, unfortunately. It's a mixer setting for your onboard.
[02:27] <epicenter> crimsun: shouldn't I get no errors if that's the case?
[02:27] <epicenter> things are bitching about /dev/dsp left and right
[02:27] <|PecK|> sysrq, yes :))
[02:28] <crimsun> epicenter: that's because an application has already grabbed /dev/dsp
[02:28] <|PecK|> sysrq, any still up?
[02:28] <chazwurth> crimsun: I dunno if this has anything to do with it, but I had a sound problem a while back that I think had similar errors, and I fixed it by turning off 'enable sound server startup' in the GNOME sound preferences
[02:28] <mz2> Riddell, cool! I'll give it a try :)
[02:28] <KillazUbuntu> I find Gnome difficult to work with I'm accostumed to KDE
[02:28] <crimsun> epicenter: did you say that vlc has already grabbed it?
[02:28] <epicenter> yeah
[02:28] <epicenter> it crashed :P\
[02:28] <sysrq> |PecK|: probably, this isn't the place for such queries and I'm sure google would be more than helpfull on the subject
[02:28] <crimsun> chazwurth: that would be correct if your sound applications are set to use alsa directly
[02:29] <SuperLag> Any of you guys have an Audigy2 sound card on your Ubuntu boxes?
[02:29] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, so lsof /dev/snd/* and lsof /dev/dsp* both return nothing?
[02:29] <chazwurth> crimsun: ah. sorry for butting in, just a thought
[02:29] <crimsun> chazwurth: no need to apologise
[02:29] <crimsun> super_dude2: have you pasted your info onto pastebin.com?
[02:29] <kelk1> bye evby and good luck to Ubuntu.
[02:29] <|PecK|> sysrq, i'm googling it, I wasn't querying it, sorry if you were bothered......................
[02:29] <epicenter> dev/dsp* returns vlc     9901 root    8w   CHR   14,3      7225 /dev/dsp
[02:29] <epicenter> VLC is very closed
[02:29] <super_dude2> no im still dong it it took US an hour last time its a lot of work
[02:30] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, but it appears you have a root session of vlc running still
[02:30] <crimsun> epicenter: sudo pkill vlc
[02:30] <epicenter> I didI did
[02:30] <epicenter> *I did
[02:30] <epicenter> it keeps coming up with vlc owning /dev/dsp :P
[02:30] <epicenter> even though it is not running
[02:31] <jesuel> *cheer*
[02:31] <crimsun> epicenter: you used sudo to pkill vlc, or you used pkill vlc?
[02:31] <epicenter> sudo -s, then killall vlc, then pkill vlc ..
[02:31] <epicenter> over and over
[02:31] <epicenter> nothing happens
[02:31] <thoreauputic> epicenter: maybe you need to kill -9 it ?
[02:31] <jesuel> Very happy with the hoary release. Think everything is actually gonna work this time :)
[02:32] <mz2> Riddell, do you get that a lot btw? people complaining randomly about something and not bothering with reporting it? personally I'd find it really annoying :)
[02:32] <epicenter> thoreauputic: "arguments must be proces or job IDs"
[02:32] <epicenter> with kill -9 vlc
[02:32] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, if that's the case, and since modules were re/unloaded, please start afresh from a reboot.
[02:32] <super_dude2> crimsun its in now see if you remember that!
[02:32] <epicenter> crimsun: ok.
[02:32] <thoreauputic> epicenter: you would need the process ID number
[02:32] <moeru> blah..samba's not my friend anymore
[02:33] <benplaut> where can i find an install guide for Hoary? i can't seem to find one anywhere
[02:33] <Brazmetal> hallo.
[02:33] <thoreauputic> super_dude2: you haven't posted the url
[02:33] <Brazmetal> does someone here streams radio ?
[02:33] <super_dude2> crimsun: i skipped the alsamixer cause i dont know what to do in there
[02:33] <super_dude2> http://pastebin.com/269464
[02:34] <crimsun> super_dude2: that's fine; the amixer output is most helpful
[02:35] <crimsun> super_dude2: ok, what about lspnp -v ?
[02:35] <mz2> Riddell, because you do have a point there.    Confirm that lsof /dev/dsp*; lsof /dev/snd/*  return nothing
[02:36] <linuxfreak_> how do I add my other user on sudo ??
[02:36] <crimsun> linuxboy: use your original user to sudo visudo
[02:36] <crimsun> linuxboy: sorry
[02:36] <crimsun> St0n3-C0l: use your original user to sudo visudo
[02:37] <epicenter> crimsun: snd returns nothing
[02:37] <epicenter> dsp returns:
[02:37] <taishakutin> hey, I have 2 sound cards and unfortunately everything is trying to play through the wrong one. I'm trying to change the default alsa device but the documentation doesn't seem to apply to ubuntu's implementation of alsa - any ideas anyone?
[02:37] <epicenter> COMMAND  PID      USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[02:37] <epicenter> esd     7797 epicenter    5w   CHR   14,3      6845 /dev/dsp
[02:37] <Crane> hello
[02:37] <crimsun> taishakutin: cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:37] <Brazmetal> which is better? Amule or Xmule ?
[02:37] <crimsun> taishakutin: onto pastebin.com
[02:37] <ama> taishakutin can you disable via bios?
[02:38] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, good.
[02:38] <taishakutin> crimsun, can i just tell you? ;-)
[02:38] <epicenter> a friend thought esd got in the way and told me to kill it earlier, that never helped
[02:38] <whiskers> taishakutin, that is what i was saying earlier...you might need a special alsa config
[02:38] <crimsun> taishakutin: I prefer pastebin
[02:38] <carthik> benplaut, installation documentation is bsent since the installer guides you through the process. Pop in an install cd and you should be on your way :)
[02:38] <Flonne> crimsun, simple question: is Ubuntu so heavily dependent on ALSA that using a kernel with only OSS support would be difficult?
[02:38] <taishakutin> ama, tried, the bios must be buggy because it shows up none the less
[02:38] <St0n3-C0l> when I do "su" and when it asks for password
[02:38] <whiskers> crimsun, but i really don't know
[02:38] <St0n3-C0l> it says wrong password
[02:38] <epicenter> St0n3-C0l: sudo -s
[02:38] <epicenter> then password
[02:39] <crimsun> Flonne: no, ubuntu is not heavily dependent on alsa. It uses alsa's oss emulation for esd. oss->esd would be fine.
[02:39] <alex> does anyone know how to find the kml donkey core?
[02:39] <taishakutin> whiskers, if you were saying it earlier, it wasn't to me :)
[02:39] <whiskers> crimsun, it seems to me the easiest thing to do is shut off the mobo soundchip and use the other video/snd card for sound
[02:39] <Flonne> Thanks.
[02:39] <whiskers> taishakutin, no i said it to epicenter
[02:39] <St0n3-C0l> epicenter: linuxfreak is not in the sudoers file
[02:39] <super_dude2> crimsun: it says bash: lspnp: command not found
[02:39] <epicenter> what?
[02:39] <epicenter> linuxfreak?
[02:39] <Flonne> (The hardware isn't supported by ALSA.)
[02:39] <St0n3-C0l> and I am trying to add linuxfreak account on sudoers file
[02:39] <St0n3-C0l> my username :p
[02:39] <epicenter> I have no idea what you mena
[02:40] <mohaham> benplaut,  http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=1
[02:40] <crimsun> Flonne: there are a few cards like that, unfortunately.
[02:40] <St0n3-C0l> Installed ubuntu-desktop and to check Gnome I added linuxfreak
[02:40] <St0n3-C0l> but when I am doing 'sudo' it says you're not in the sudoers file and when I do 'su' and password it says password incorrect
[02:40] <Flonne> Yeah. I'm just having problems with Ubuntu and this system. Just another challenge. :)
[02:40] <epicenter> I have no idea what you are talking about.
[02:40] <taishakutin> crimsun, whiskers, ama: http://www.pastebin.com/269465
[02:40] <crimsun> super_dude2: sudo aptitude install pcmcia-cs
[02:41] <jesuel> St0n3-C0l, what was the username you originally added when you installed.
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> stonecol
[02:41] <crimsun> taishakutin: so you want to use the audigy by default?
[02:41] <jesuel> you will need to login as that
[02:41] <taishakutin> crimsun, yep
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> alright
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> brb
[02:41] <crimsun> taishakutin: echo "options snd-cmipci index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[02:41] <jesuel> Then add the new username to sudoer's via visudo
[02:41] <dazed||lap> does ubuntu have drivers for every video card or just nvidia ones?
[02:41] <crimsun> taishakutin: then reboot
[02:42] <taishakutin> crimsun, i could just edit the .asoundrc but i'd like it that way for all users, the /etc/asound.conf file doesn't exist
[02:42] <epicenter> epicenter: linuxfreak is not in the sudoers file
[02:42] <taishakutin> ok thanks crimsun
[02:42] <epicenter> who is linux freak and what did yo umean?
[02:42] <epicenter> I have no idea what is going on
[02:42] <super_dude2> crimsun half way tru it says  * Starting PCMCIA services...                                          [fail]
[02:42] <jesuel> epicenter, That was supposed to be for St0n3-col
[02:42] <crimsun> super_dude2: no big deal, you want the /sbin/lspnp utility.
[02:42] <crimsun> super_dude2: now paste onto pastebin.com the output of lspnp -v
[02:42] <super_dude2> ok it works now
[02:43] <super_dude2> doing now
[02:43] <taishakutin> crimsun, thanks, rebooting
[02:43] <Fanglez> Guys, I just got the latest cd. Does ubuntu give you a choice during installation which drive to use? (I'm a bit worried after a few things I heard)
[02:43] <jesuel> Fanglez, absolutely.
[02:43] <Flonne> Fanglez, yes, it has an interactive partitioner.
[02:43] <st0necol> anyway to add linuxfreak into /etc/sudoers ?
[02:43] <super_dude2> its in there now at the bottom of the first post
[02:43] <jesuel> st0necol, use visudo
[02:43] <st0necol> i did
[02:43] <mohaham> Fanglez, u can specify the partition to use as root
[02:44] <jesuel> i.e. sudo visudo
[02:44] <|iSquared|> anyone else have ideas on how to get rid of static on a via 8233
[02:44] <st0necol> where to put the username jesuel
[02:44] <Flonne> Fanglez, you have complete control over where you want it, and you can abort before committing changes if you need to ask more questions.
[02:44] <KillazUbuntu> how can I chnage the sources of apt-get from warty to hoary?
[02:44] <jesuel> it will require  root privledges
[02:44] <thoreauputic> st0necol: you might need to use the safe mode terminal to get root privileges (requires reboot)
[02:44] <Fanglez> thanks, last silly quest..does this latest release support 3com onboard network cards? Last one didn't and I had no idea what to do:)
[02:44] <mohaham> KillazUbuntu,  /etc/apt/sources.list     is the file where u need to make the change
[02:45] <crimsun> Fanglez: depends on the network chipset
[02:45] <thoreauputic> st0necol: recovery mode
[02:45] <st0necol> yeah
[02:45] <Fanglez> crimsun it's a 3com chipset on an auss board. Previous ubuntu distro didn't detect it and being a beginner, I had no idea where to go from there and once in ubuntu, I could net out:):)
[02:46] <st0necol> I understand
[02:46] <KillazUbuntu> mohaham, ok
[02:46] <Fanglez> asus
[02:46] <Obsidians> How do I compute the md5 sum of something in Ubuntu?
[02:46] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, we'll try one more thing, which is to upgrade your version of alsa. Make sure you enable the universe repository, then sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential alsa-source
[02:46] <Lemonzest> how do i turn on the font hinting?
[02:46] <crimsun> Obsidians: md5sum foo
[02:46] <carthik> KillazUbuntu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504 has upgrade notes, which is what you might need
[02:47] <Obsidians> Ah, easy enough. I'd just tried "md5 foo" so far. Thanx.
[02:47] <alfaxin16> Hi
[02:47] <hondje> Hi. I was thinking about giving ubuntu a spin, but I was wondering if the installer is smart enough to let me leave /dev/hda6 and continue using that for /home?
[02:47] <kdp> Fanglez: morning? what....continent.......are you on?
[02:47] <Fanglez> kdp Australia. And it's hot enough to melt the fur off a dingo's ass:):)
[02:48] <alfaxin16> uh??
[02:48] <super_dude2> crimsun: u got that right is in pastbin ok?
[02:48] <kdp> hahahahahaha, continuouing the stereotypes :-)
[02:48] <crimsun> super_dude2: yes
[02:48] <Flonne> Lemonzest, System > Preferences > Font [Details...]  (note: names may not be accurate; I'm currently not on an Ubuntu system)
[02:48] <super_dude2> coolies
[02:48] <thundr> I don't think I've ever seen a dingo.
[02:48] <Fanglez> kdp it's expected of us:):)
[02:48] <crimsun> oh my, alfaxin16 is even more impatient
[02:48] <carthik> hondje, sure, ask ubuntu to "keep that data on the partition" and to use it as /home.
[02:48] <CheeseBall> does anyone know of any other IM prog other than gaim
[02:48] <CheeseBall> maybe a better one
[02:48] <Fanglez> thundr they are just dogs with bigger teeth and meaner attitudes:)
[02:48] <hondje> carthik: okay, thanks :-)
[02:48] <carthik> hondje, you will get there when you edit/change the partition table
[02:49] <crimsun> CheeseBall: bitlbee, centericq, naim, ...
[02:49] <Flonne> CheeseBall, Kopete exists if you're using Kubuntu/kde-desktop. Individual IM apps exist for other protocols.
[02:49] <thundr> I know what they jook like, just never seen one at the zoo.
[02:49] <hondje> carthik: the screenshots made it look similar to the sarge beta installer?
[02:49] <Fanglez> :)
[02:49] <thundr> :)
[02:49] <CheeseBall> anyone that does many protocols like gaim
[02:49] <crimsun> hondje: that's because it's based on the sarge installer
[02:49] <carthik> hondje, yes it does look similar... but is different, in its own small ways
[02:49] <CheeseBall> and anyone that you would particually reccommend
[02:49] <Fanglez> okay, burn nearly done. I guess I'll install and see what happenes. probably will end up back here though:)
[02:49] <Lemonzest> i installed all the codec/dvd stuff
[02:49] <hondje> okay, but it'll at least be familiar then :) Thanks a lot
[02:50] <Lemonzest> and now totum fails to open
[02:50] <carthik> hondje, anytime
[02:50] <eruin> what's so great about the hoary installer is that it asks so few questions :)
[02:50] <KillazUbuntu> carthik, great
[02:50] <hondje> oh, one last thing...where is a package list for it?
[02:50] <crimsun> epicenter: ping me when you've done that.
[02:50] <super_dude2> crimsun i jsut did somfing i went int sound prefs and go play for one of the sounds and it worked
[02:50] <Jet2k5> Hey is there one of those cool ubuntu help sites for hoary?
[02:50] <crimsun> hondje: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:50] <hondje> Good place, thanks a ton :-)
[02:50] <Jet2k5> there was one for warty, I forgot the name
[02:51] <crimsun> super_dude2: so it does in fact work fine?
[02:51] <super_dude2> no i still cant make anyother sounds
[02:51] <crimsun> super_dude2: what are you using to make other sounds?
[02:51] <crimsun> super_dude2: (what applications)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: probably www.ubuntuguide.com/temp or something similar
[02:52] <Jet2k5> yeah that's it, but is there one for hoary?
[02:52] <super_dude2> cd player
[02:52] <thundr> I just ran out of space on my machine, are there caches or something I can get rid of?
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: I think that's the one for hoary, hence the 'temp'
[02:52] <hilz> Hi all. I am installing ubuntu from a cd i burned form the iso (at 4x speed, and the iso md5 is checked). When it reaches the "Install the base System" step, it breaks with the following error: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources...."
[02:52] <Jet2k5> well it's not there
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: but I may have the url wrong
[02:52] <super_dude2> totem wont work it says faliled to open filenamehere unkown reson
[02:53] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:53] <carthik> Jet2k5, the author of the ubuntuguide "updated" the documentation, so go to ubuntuguide.org IIRC
[02:53] <Jet2k5> .org not .com :)
[02:53] <Jet2k5> or nvm
[02:53] <crimsun> super_dude2: unmute both of your Master Digitals
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: maybe it's been moved to the default site at www.ubuntuguide.com by now ?
[02:53] <trueprophet> hey, does anyone know a good audio recorder with vst plugin capabilities for ubuntu?
[02:53] <libben> wich grub is it ubuntu has ? and where can i find faq on making adding a nice image
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: oops yes .org
[02:53] <carthik> hilz, is that a hoary cd ?
[02:54] <libben> ii  grub           0.95+cvs200406 GRand Unified Bootloader
[02:54] <AlinuxOS> hello guys, can you tell me what kind of software can I use to 3gp videos? (mobile phone format)
[02:54] <hilz> i guess so
[02:54] <Rusty> hi!
[02:54] <Jet2k5> TheOneCaledor: what mirror do you recommend besides the stock ones?
[02:54] <crimsun> trueprophet: audacity. Also try ecasound and ardour.
[02:54] <super_dude2> still no sound in cd player
[02:54] <Jet2k5> I seem to want to download other stuff, but I don't want to hose my system
[02:54] <Jet2k5> and I know that ubuntu really doesn't support universe
[02:54] <hilz> it is the install cd i downloaded from the website....iso image of the i386 installer
[02:54] <crimsun> super_dude2: is this on Warty or Hoary?
[02:54] <crimsun> super_dude2: your kernel's from Warty
[02:55] <carthik> hilz, what computer are you trying to install it on (what cpu?)
[02:55] <super_dude2> oh and again the little sound control up top right corneer  if you pull it up it goes down warty
[02:55] <crimsun> super_dude2: have you tried dist-upgrading to Hoary?
[02:55] <super_dude2> nope
[02:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: I'm more comfortable with newer versions of ALSA. Warty's is fairly old.
[02:56] <thundr> Is there anything I can get rid of that isn't necessary on my machine? Caches or temporary files?
[02:56] <super_dude2> i realy dont wont to i just wanted to get this going cause i dont want to reinstall everything
[02:56] <iapx8088> thundr, apt-get clean
[02:56] <whiskers> epicenter, did you ever get your sound working
[02:56] <Fanglez> okay, burn done. Going to install. Wish me luck, I amay need it:):)
[02:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: there is absolutely no need to reinstall
[02:56] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: universe is very safe - everyone uses it
[02:56] <thundr> thanks iapx8088
[02:56] <whiskers> epicenter, after rebooting
[02:57] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: just universal it is then , thanks
[02:57] <crimsun> super_dude2: simply change your /etc/apt/sources.list, then update and dist-upgrade
[02:57] <whiskers> epicenter, yours is a very interesting case
[02:57] <super_dude2> what
[02:57] <crimsun> super_dude2: it helps immensely if you have a fast Internet connection
[02:57] <super_dude2> well lol i have the opisite
[02:57] <crimsun> epicenter: did you ever pull down alsa-source ?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: multiverse is "non-free" software (patent encumbered, restricted etc) but works fine as well
[02:58] <thundr> is there a program I can use to add space to the partition from an ntfs?  It's formatted as reiser.
[02:59] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: what about the debian-marillat?
[02:59] <Jet2k5> or the debian unstable and stuff
[02:59] <super_dude2> could you jsut try to get it on this one for me please
[03:00] <crimsun> super_dude2: your volumes are set extremely low for Master Digital 0 and 1
[03:00] <ubuntujin> where'd stuNNed go?
[03:00] <super_dude2> so i do what
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: I've used marillat - it's fine too  - but you might look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: ok I just put what ever is on that list :)
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: don't mix debian stuff in though
[03:00] <hilz> carthink thank you for your help
[03:01] <hilz> carthik :) thank you for your hlep!
[03:01] <carthik> hilz, sure thing!
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: ie don't use debian unstable repos
[03:01] <thoreauputic> ec
[03:01] <epicenter> whiskers: still not working
[03:01] <thoreauputic> bah
[03:01] <epicenter> crimsun: What is alsa-source?
[03:01] <epicenter> I didn't install it ..
[03:01] <kh-rit> hi,
[03:01] <epicenter> unless it came with hoary
[03:01] <kbrooks> and dont use backports
[03:02] <epicenter> the source code for alsa?
[03:02] <kh-rit> i installed gnucash, but the font is ulgy... how can i fix it?
[03:02] <crimsun> epicenter: enable universe, then sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential alsa-source
[03:02] <rwh> anybody know why my sound just comes out as clicks and scratches?
[03:02] <rwh> fresh hoary on Toshiba Tecra 8100
[03:02] <epicenter> crimsun: attempting
[03:02] <rwh> worked ok with sarge
[03:02] <kdp> anybody use xcompmgr w/nvidia card and notice that xorg takes up like 500+ MBs of RAM
[03:03] <kbrooks> backports BREAK
[03:03] <epicenter> crimsun: done, now what?
[03:03] <super_dude2> crimsun: what now?
[03:03] <epicenter> .. hehehe
[03:03] <SeeRSea> hey craven.
[03:03] <crimsun> epicenter: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[03:03] <westyvw> can someone point me to a guide to setting up a dual boot with 1 disk
[03:04] <crimsun> super_dude2: the volumes are increased?
[03:04] <crimsun> or have been, rather
[03:04] <super_dude2> yes to the max
[03:04] <westyvw> why is ubunut suppsoed to be friendly to use, but really is a pain in the ass
[03:04] <epicenter> crimsun: Build with ISA PNP support?
[03:04] <carthik> westyvw, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[03:04] <az[a] zel> it's only their second release
[03:04] <epicenter> I doubt it needs that ..
[03:04] <crimsun> epicenter: no, yes, choose your sound driver (intel8x0)
[03:05] <shorty114> ubuntu hoary rocks
[03:05] <westyvw> thanbks
[03:05] <carthik> westyvw, it's just that getting used to a new system takes time...
[03:05] <epicenter> crimsun: I can pick ALL or DUMMY :P
[03:05] <super_dude2> but i still dont get why my little vol conrol wont go up?
[03:05] <westyvw> i dont care for it alot, but they have put in effort for the laptops, so I am into giving it a try. Replacing debian sid
[03:05] <crimsun> epicenter: then pick all
[03:05] <az[a] zel> I find that for what it provides, it's very user friendly.. it just doesn't have graphical tools for doing *everything* yet
[03:05] <crimsun> super_dude2: I'm searching, it takes a while.
[03:05] <super_dude2> ok sorry
[03:06] <carthik> westyvw, I use it on my laptop and it's great, you should like it :)
[03:06] <westyvw> it doesnt explain itsself very well, you have to dig deep. for that effort i usually go back to gentoo
[03:06] <benplaut> how would i dual boot with SuSE using LILO? i am a bit wary of the install not being able to finish because the reboot wouldn't work if it can't add itself to LILO
[03:06] <kkamrani> hey everyone, i've just installed ubuntu hoary on my laptop and got it all configured... however i need help using an external/secondary monitor. what do i need to do? i've done some research on the ubuntu wiki but i'm a bit lost still
[03:06] <crimsun> rwh: please paste amixer, lspci -v, lsmod, and dmesg output to http://pastebin.com
[03:06] <epicenter> crimsun: It just .. closes after it tells me to pick which one I want
[03:06] <rwh> crimsun: thanks, working on it
[03:06] <epicenter> crimsun: i never get a list of drivers
[03:06] <westyvw> second monitor on laptop...usually relies in support of vid card
[03:07] <crimsun> epicenter: were you able to tell it all, however?
[03:07] <epicenter> crimsun: I told it all, yes
[03:07] <whiskers> crimsun, he can't choose just one sound driver he has two sound cards
[03:07] <whiskers> crimsun, he may need all the drivers
[03:07] <epicenter> I only have one
[03:07] <epicenter> unless you count my video capture card
[03:07] <crimsun> whiskers: only intel8x0 needs to be updated
[03:07] <epicenter> which I can remove :P
[03:07] <kkamrani> westyvw, it is a Intel 82852/82855 video card
[03:07] <whiskers> epicenter, no you have two...you have one on your mobo and one on your video card
[03:07] <epicenter> ... what?!!
[03:08] <epicenter> Now I am confused.
[03:08] <crimsun> whiskers: cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:08] <crimsun> whiskers: sorry
[03:08] <crimsun> epicenter: cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:08] <blackout> where's a list of all ubuntu packages?
[03:08] <crimsun> blackout: packages.ubuntu.com, interestingly enough
[03:08] <blackout> crimsun, oh, like debian ;)
[03:09] <epicenter> crimsun: make'ing
[03:09] <crimsun> epicenter: afterward, ls ../*.deb, make sure there's 1 deb, then sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[03:09] <crimsun> epicenter: then reboot
[03:10] <whiskers> epicenter, apparently your video capture card has sound hardware as well
[03:10] <crimsun> super_dude2: ok, so what application are you using to successfully test sound?
[03:10] <blackout> are there any utilities to compare a dpkg -l list on a system to what's in hoary?
[03:10] <whiskers> epicenter, and so you have two sound cards
[03:10] <benplaut> anyone?
[03:10] <flyingmouseball> is ubuntu laptop friendly out of the box for penium m's, like having frequency scaling and the lie
[03:10] <whiskers> epicenter, that is why your case is very interesting
[03:11] <crimsun> benplaut: have you searched the wiki?
[03:11] <carthik> benplaut, i'm sorry but i use grub, and i shuold think that ubuntu should detect the other OS automatically when installing... but I am not sure, which is why I was silent
[03:11] <epicenter> whiskers: Oh, my video CAPTURE card. I thought yo umeant my VIDEO card
[03:11] <epicenter> whiskers: 6600GTs are revolutionary but not THAT revolutionary <g>
[03:11] <whiskers> epicenter, no your capture card
[03:11] <carthik> kkamrani, there is a XineramaHowTo at the wiki...did that help?
[03:12] <epicenter> whiskers: long-ass compile still ensuing
[03:12] <benplaut> i can't seem to find anyting in the wiki... I will retry GRUB... had problem with it in the first few tries 101
[03:12] <Cicada> after a clean ubuntu install what is the root pass?
[03:12] <epicenter> any kind of ETA? (this is an Athlon 64 2.2 GHz)
[03:12] <benplaut> Ci
[03:12] <crimsun> epicenter: a few minutes.
[03:12] <whiskers> epicenter, yes alsa takes a while to compile...but i am not sure where this is going...i am just curious
[03:12] <benplaut> Cicada: no root password... Sudo!
[03:12] <epicenter> "Shit, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good!"
[03:12] <crimsun> whiskers: alsa was designed to work with multiple cards
[03:12] <Cicada> ahh no root account?
[03:12] <epicenter> OK, done
[03:13] <crimsun> whiskers: I used to use usb, sblive, and delta 1010lt all in one box just fine
[03:13] <AlohaWolf> kkamrani, I can send you my config file for X, I use Xinerama
[03:13] <kkamrani> carthik, yes and no... i need to mirror the display with different resolutions (ideally i;d like my external monitor to show at 1280x1024) while my laptop lcd's max is 1024x768. the xineramahowto was to use dual displays with extended desktop
[03:13] <crimsun> epicenter: see instructions I gave you above
[03:13] <kkamrani> AlohaWolf, that would help a lot!
[03:13] <AlohaWolf> whats your email address?
[03:13] <cusco> does ubuntu have any sort of standby/sleep mode?
[03:14] <rwh> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/269478
[03:14] <Krys^^> I find ubuntu has a sucky standby/.sleep mode
[03:14] <epicenter> volume control crashed
[03:14] <cusco> where the hard discs spin down
[03:14] <epicenter> rebooting .....
[03:14] <elmaya> hello
[03:14] <cusco> screen goes off
[03:14] <elcu> cusco: i was about to ask that.
[03:14] <carthik> kkamrani..http://tinyurl.com/6l5zd is a guy's setup...
[03:14] <elmaya> i've just installed ubuntu as a samba server..and is slow as hell...
[03:15] <Krys^^> i couldn't get it to work on my system.. finally we just got it to turn off the monitor when I closed the lid, adn that was it
[03:15] <carthik> AlohaWolf, would you mind sending a copy to mail at carthik.net ?
[03:15] <kkamrani> carthik, okay i'll check it out too
[03:15] <kkamrani> carthik, thanks!
[03:15] <carthik> kkamrani, anytime
[03:15] <kkamrani> carthik, i think the tinurl is broken
[03:15] <kkamrani> carthik, lemme double check
[03:16] <crimsun> rwh: ok, are you using optical out (spdif) or analog line-out?
[03:16] <cusco> elcu: I was hopping that you were also about to get an answer
[03:16] <AlohaWolf> carthik, you wanr a copy of mine?
[03:16] <carthik> AlohaWolf, yes pleae
[03:17] <carthik> please
[03:17] <sig> what is a command to type in a terminal to have the output show what version of ubuntu your using?
[03:17] <epicenter> OK, done rebooting..
[03:17] <carthik> kkamrani /6l5zd is what it was...
[03:17] <crimsun> sig: lsb_release -a
[03:17] <rwh> crimsun: built in speakers. this is an oldish laptop; no whizzy optical stuff
[03:17] <crimsun> epicenter: confirm that /proc/asound/version lists 1.0.8
[03:18] <kkamrani> carthik, yeah i figured it out, i;m checking out his x config file
[03:18] <rwh> celeron coppermine 600
[03:18] <sig> crimsun: thatns
[03:18] <sig> thanks
[03:18] <crimsun> rwh: ok, and headphones are set to max?
[03:18] <epicenter> crimsun: it does, compiled arp 9 2005
[03:18] <epicenter> *apr
[03:18] <crimsun> rwh: (they don't appear to be)
[03:18] <dazed||lap> is there a way to get specific video card drivers for linux?
[03:18] <crimsun> rwh: and your pc speaker is muted
[03:18] <rwh> I've tried various settings of the volume control on hte front, if that's what you mean
[03:19] <doubleplus> How can I change my default sound device?
[03:19] <crimsun> doubleplus: cat /proc/asound/cards onto pastebin.com
[03:19] <AlohaWolf> carthik, kkamrani, sent
[03:19] <dazed||lap> how do i run an executable file?
[03:19] <kdp> doubleplus good!
[03:19] <epicenter> What's next?
[03:19] <carthik> AlohaWolf, gracias!
[03:20] <dazed||lap> not a .exe but its a purple diamond
[03:20] <carthik> dazed||lap, right click and select run...
[03:20] <crimsun> super_dude2: before you pinged out, I asked what application you used to obtain sound
[03:20] <crimsun> epicenter: have you tested the sound?
[03:20] <dazed||lap> carthik it doesnt do anything
[03:20] <carthik> dazed||lap, or from a terminal type > ./name-of-executable
[03:20] <super_dude2> ethier sound prefrs or termina
[03:20] <dazed||lap> thanks
[03:20] <elcu> cusco: have you tried googling?
[03:20] <epicenter> crimsun- no sound in VLC :(
[03:20] <crimsun> epicenter: don't use vlc
[03:20] <super_dude2> soory about that it was my lil brother disconecting the dialup
[03:20] <kkamrani> yeah AlohaWolf thanks!
[03:20] <crimsun> epicenter: close vlc
[03:21] <crimsun> epicenter: use aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav
[03:21] <rwh> crimsun: I've just turned up the gnome volume control and get slightly louder scratches
[03:21] <carthik> dazed||lap, if that fails , try sudo ./name-
[03:21] <dazed||lap> i got it
[03:21] <az[a] zel> dazed||lap, make sure it's executeable.. right click-> properties (I think, not using ubuntu atm), permissions -> check all the boxes for "executeable".. something like that.. then you should be able to just click on the file to run it
[03:21] <sig> here's my current screenshot  http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/ubuntuHoarycurrent.png
[03:21] <cusco> elcu: not really, have you?
[03:21] <rwh> crimsun: and it claims to be unmuted
[03:21] <doubleplus> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/269480
[03:21] <epicenter> crimsun: some wav of my own I assume?
[03:21] <crimsun> super_dude2: so esd work. Does xmms work after you set the output to esound?
[03:21] <crimsun> epicenter: yes.
[03:22] <AlohaWolf> kkamrani, carthik, that one is set up for ATI Cards, but if you use the configurator that comes with Ubuntu, you should be able to get the info for your card with ease
[03:22] <super_dude2> waht what?
[03:22] <crimsun> epicenter: /usr/share/ should have some
[03:22] <elcu> cusco: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Screensaver -> Advanced lets you put a timer to enter standby/suspend
[03:22] <crimsun> super_dude2: _does_ esd work?
[03:22] <super_dude2> whats esd?
[03:22] <crimsun> super_dude2: (I presume esd works, since your sound test works)
[03:22] <elcu> cusco: But I haven't found out how to force it.
[03:22] <Jet2k5> anybody here having issues with win-32 codecs?
[03:22] <Jet2k5> the are installed but they won't work
[03:22] <super_dude2> aplay -dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav thats how i play in terminal
[03:22] <Jet2k5> how do I re-install them or something?
[03:22] <nix000> is it possible to get the default desktop ? my kids played with my pc and lot of things are missing.
[03:23] <crimsun> super_dude2: that's good.
[03:23] <AlohaWolf> kkamrani, carthik, the hardest part is the BusID's
[03:23] <carthik> AlohaWolf, what configurator?
[03:23] <epicenter> crimsun: silence......
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: are you using hoary?
[03:23] <AlohaWolf> one moment
[03:23] <doubleplus> crimsun, is that what you wanted?
[03:23] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: yeah
[03:23] <cusco> elcu: lol... ok so now Im at the same point as you.. :P
[03:23] <az[a] zel> nix000, I think there's a package called "ubuntu-desktop", perhaps re-installing that would hepl
[03:23] <elcu> cusco: Ah, so you knew that, yeah?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: did you install mplayer?
[03:23] <epicenter> crimsun: BTW, the volume control is gone from my bar .....
[03:23] <crimsun> doubleplus: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[03:23] <cusco> elcu: I know now! :p
[03:23] <crimsun> doubleplus: then reboot
[03:23] <AlohaWolf> carthik, xorgconfig
[03:23] <bur[n] er> anyone know if breezy badger repos are up yet? :)
[03:24] <cusco> I would like to be able to close my laptop and it would SLEEP streight away
[03:24] <doubleplus> crimsun, thanks!
[03:24] <super_dude2> i did esd its in pastebin
[03:24] <nix000> az[a] zel, i just need it for myself !
[03:24] <carthik> AlohaWolf, I see... thanks.. curious, does that setup dual monitors if two are plugged in..?
[03:24] <crimsun> super_dude2: no worries, your sound works fine.
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: ?
[03:24] <super_dude2> not all of it?
[03:24] <AlohaWolf> carthik, xf86config didnt, I dont think it does either
[03:24] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: I'm using totem
[03:25] <carthik> AlohaWolf, alrighty - I would like to experiment with an extra monitor for my laptop...which is why I ask.
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[03:25] <crimsun> super_dude2: it does. Try googling to find which mixer setting you need to tweak for the cd control.
[03:25] <thoreauputic> (i'm guessing the latter)
[03:25] <epicenter> crimsun: XMMS tries damn hard to play, the VU meter moves in sync with the music, and there is no SOUND at all :P
[03:25] <elcu> cusco: maybe there isn't a way to force it.
[03:25] <epicenter> it says oss_open() failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp) device or resoruce busy
[03:25] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: didn't think of that
[03:25] <super_dude2> and my totem dont work
[03:25] <crimsun> epicenter: you're supposed to use esound if you enabled sound server startup
[03:25] <elcu> cusco: these guys are ignoring us. :-)
[03:25] <epicenter> I did
[03:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: well I install xine and it removes gstreamer :)
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: well, I suggest you install totem-xine
[03:26] <epicenter> Should I just turn off sound server startup? :P
[03:26] <whiskers> crimsun, if all else fails...i think the easiest thing to do for epicent.. is to disable his mobo sound chip and let him use his video/snd capture card for sound/recording/playback as well as video
[03:26] <Jet2k5> yeah
[03:26] <epicenter> I picked eSound and I still get this ........
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: hmm - it didn't here
[03:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: yepp that did it
[03:26] <whiskers> crimsun, this would avoid confusing the modules and the apps
[03:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: thanks
[03:26] <Jet2k5> bbl later, I'm sure I still have some problems to fix
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: no worries :)
[03:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: btw how do I check if I really really have hoary?
[03:27] <Jet2k5> what kernel I'm I suppose to have, and where is the release name thing?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5:  cat /etc/issue
[03:27] <difekta> i saw george lucas last night at a movie theater in san francisco.
[03:27] <Jet2k5> yeah it's official :)
[03:27] <Jet2k5> thanks guys
[03:27] <difekta> he was just standing in the lobby talking to some girl.
[03:27] <crimsun> epicenter: what's your primary card? cat /proc/asound/cards (don't paste)
[03:27] <cusco> elcu: hehehe
[03:27] <difekta> it was weird.
[03:27] <Jet2k5> bbl , thanks for the help
[03:27] <kdp> HAHAHAHA
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: and uname -a for the kernel
[03:27] <cusco> elcu: I think I will try again tomorrow :P
[03:27] <kdp> difekta: thats.......funny...considering on 60 min he was talking aobut not being w/anyone
[03:27] <pmai> my mouse does not work
[03:27] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: I knew that, but what's the kernel version for hoary?
[03:27] <elcu> cusco: righto, good luck.
[03:28] <Jet2k5> last time I remember hoary had 2.6.8 tooo
[03:28] <difekta> kdp he was talking to some teenage girl who must have been a fan.
[03:28] <crimsun> thoreauputic: (lsb_release -a is the canonical checker, thanks ogra)
[03:28] <epicenter> primary being, 0?
[03:28] <difekta> i didn't go up and bother him.
[03:28] <crimsun> epicenter: yes
[03:28] <kdp> ohlol
[03:28] <cusco> ty! you too elcu
[03:28] <super_dude2> crimsun: i stil cant have sound in the games or anything
[03:28] <epicenter> I'll paste, it's really short
[03:28] <epicenter> 0 [CK8S           ] : NFORCE - NVidia CK8S
[03:28] <epicenter>                      NVidia CK8S with CMI9761 at 0xfdffb000, irq 20
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: 2.10.5 I think (I'm on warty)
[03:28] <Jet2k5> <IP_ADDRESS>-2-38
[03:28] <crimsun> epicenter: amixer output, please
[03:28] <Jet2k5> that's not good is it?
[03:29] <pmai> it is a serial mouse , how edit xorg.conf for it?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> crimsun: yes, I knew that, but I always remember /etc/issue :)
[03:29] <crimsun> thoreauputic: true.
[03:29] <carthik> Jet2k5, lsb_release -a should tell you what you are running
[03:29] <thoreauputic> crimsun: thanks for the reminder though :)
[03:29] <elcu> pmai: sudo fglrxconfig
[03:29] <elcu> pmai: make sure you back up your xorg.conf file first.
[03:29] <Jet2k5> carthik: yeah, I got that, but now I know the kernel is out of date
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: if you upgraded, you will need a reboot to load the new krnel
[03:30] <pmai> elcu only mouse is not working
[03:30] <elcu> pmai: mind, you need to have the fglrx driver installed.
[03:30] <pmai> other thing is very good
[03:30] <carthik> oh, i had just heard crimsun say that before... Jet2k5 and thought you hadnt heard that... oops
[03:30] <doubleplus> crimsun, I love you!
[03:30] <super_dude2> crimsun: its not right i cant play cds but if i shutdown my computer nothing works again
[03:30] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: I have, lol like 20 times
[03:31] <crimsun> super_dude2: and I can't really help with older versions of ALSA, because there are lots of bugs in them.
[03:31] <pmai> elcu: which name of serial port 1 under ubuntu ?
[03:31] <epicenter> did you get all of that?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: if you want to check, look at the kernels listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:31] <crimsun> epicenter: I presumed you would use pastebin, but yes
[03:31] <super_dude2> crimsun: so your just saying get used to it!
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: else you can easily apt-get a new kernel
[03:32] <crimsun> super_dude2: no, I'm saying upgrade to Hoary, then we'll troubleshoot again.
[03:32] <crimsun> super_dude2: it's like complaining that you can't lift heavy equipment when you have a broken arm
[03:32] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: yeah, but if it wasn't done in the update, then I'm not sure a lot of other apps where too
[03:32] <super_dude2> fine
[03:32] <elcu> pmai: Here's my mouse entry:
[03:32] <elcu> Section "InputDevice"
[03:32] <elcu>         Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
[03:32] <elcu>         Driver          "mouse"
[03:32] <elcu>         Option          "CorePointer"
[03:32] <elcu>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[03:32] <elcu>         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[03:32] <Jet2k5> I should of just installed from the cd instead of doing it from the internet
[03:32] <elcu>         Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[03:33] <elcu>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[03:33] <elcu> EndSection
[03:33] <crimsun> super_dude2: in the meantime I'll attempt to locate the control element
[03:33] <pmai> elcu, it is default config and was not working
[03:33] <libben> anyone installed the grub2 ?
[03:33] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: i just did apt-get ugrade, and a lot of packages are being held back
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: did you have a fairly standard  /etc/apt/sources.list ? No backports etc ?
[03:34] <crimsun> epicenter: you're not using any surround sound things, are you?
[03:34] <sebas_rhcp> hi
[03:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> how do I run a 32 bit GTK app in AMD64 ubuntu ? (e.g realplayer) ?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:34] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: well, I went to ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <epicenter> crimsun: no
[03:34] <epicenter> 2 speakers on line out
[03:34] <epicenter> should I Try all my crazy output ports?
[03:34] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: and I took the ones they recommened before adding the extra ones
[03:34] <crimsun> wait
[03:34] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: so pretty much I have the ones, that should of been there by defualt of the upgrade
[03:34] <crimsun> d'oh, I should have read more closely...9761
[03:34] <elcu> pmai: ah, not sure then. sorry
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: try   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   and cross your fingers ;)
[03:35] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: sure .. this one is almost done :)
[03:35] <Jet2k5> it's replaceing a lot of stuff
[03:36] <Jet2k5> seems like it's replacing the old stuff back?!?
[03:36] <Jet2k5> wtf
[03:36] <pmai> elcu, thank you
[03:36] <fgx> hi. i got a prob with suspend to disk
[03:36] <epicenter> one sec
[03:36] <elcu> pmai: Check this out: