[01:22] <Unit193> Howdy, PCLine_.
[01:28] <thafreak> helo
[01:28] <Unit193> EHELO.
[01:28] <thafreak> STARTTLS
[01:39]  * skellat is watching "Major Crimes" on TNT
[01:41] <Unit193> skellat: See ping?
[01:44] <skellat> Which one?
[01:47] <PCLine_> Hello Unit193
[01:47] <Unit193> [16:12:34] < Unit193> skellat: Re; Email.  Care to take?   I believe you know more of the possible speakers than I did. || < cyberang3r> skellat: and I should be on that list afaik
[01:56] <skellat> Unit193: Yeah, I'll deal with it tomorrow
[01:56] <skellat> I'm not sure why they want to know unless they want to try again with people who turned me down
[01:57] <Unit193> Alrighty.  I'd say they want to contact the people that were willing to talk at Ubucon, and have them speak anyway.
[02:06] <skellat> Unit193: Please e-mail me a list of your positive contacts with e-mail addresses.  I'll add that to my list of not-so-positive contacts.
[02:07] <Unit193> All I know of is cyber.
[02:09] <skellat> E-mail me his details
[02:10] <skellat> Or I could just put his LP contact this user link in the list instead
[02:13] <skellat> Definitely not something I'd expect to see as "Recently Rated" in the library catalog when I go to check on my account: http://clevnet.bibliocommons.com/item/show/1725681048
[02:13] <jenni> [ What to Expect When You Use the Potty | CLEVNET Library Cooperation | BiblioCommons ] - https://j.mp/XYDxqi
[23:56] <Unit193> http://www.arcamax.com/newspics/108/10823/1082301.gif Akron needs this.
[23:56] <belkinsa> jrgifford, do you have ubuntu Touch?
[23:56] <belkinsa> Or anyone, in fact.
[23:57] <jrgifford> belkinsa: not really.
[23:57] <belkinsa> Okay.  Thank you anyways.
[23:57]  * belkinsa is having trouble with me
[23:57] <belkinsa> it*
[23:58] <jrgifford> i mean, i don't because i haven't flashed my n4 to it
[23:59] <belkinsa> Ah.  Think before you flash it.  It still in rough development.


[08:26] <liuxg> does anyone know how to use the Window API from   QtQuick.Window 2.2. When I use it, I cannot see any window created in the app. thanks
[11:09] <zsombi> dpm: hello there, I'd like to add a new tutorial page to the d-u-c, can I do it myself?
[11:11] <zsombi> dpm: do I simply go to d-u-c QML tutorials, and add a new sub-page?
[11:27] <dpm> zsombi, sorry, I was on the phone. Exactly, davidcalle can help you with getting set up
[11:28] <zsombi> dpm: davidcalle: ok, I navigated to the Tutorials page, then created a sub-page... still editing
[11:28] <dpm> ok, great
[12:22] <zsombi> dpm: davidcalle: guys, I have a small issue in this page https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/
[12:23] <zsombi> in the first table, the last column's cell background color should be set to the proper color
[12:23] <zsombi> I tried with 	 but that doesn't seem to work...
[12:24] <dpm> davidcalle, I think the web guidelines don't support that and a regular html table with the raw html plugin should be used? ^
[12:25] <zsombi> dpm: davidcalle: basically that's the only issue which is left from me publishing it...
[12:30] <zsombi> faenil: I think I made it :)
[12:32] <zsombi> faenil: ah, sorry, not you, I meant dpm :)
[12:36] <zsombi> dpm: seems davidcalle is not around... interestingly, even if I created the tutorial page as subpage while I was in https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials, the URL I got is by far from being relative to that location... is that intended?
[12:48] <zsombi> dpm: ok, managed to get it out, so th epalette tutorial is available for the audience! https://plus.google.com/+ZsomborEgriCanonical/posts/5qQ8uKmh4ah
[12:59] <dpm> zsombi, sorry, just got back from lunch. Great to hear you figured it out!
[13:13] <zsombi> dpm: we still seem to have issues.... we got reported that from the three images in the tutorial, only two can be seen... I've insetred these last two ones as a PNG file, published teh changes, but the tutorial still has the reference to the Googlke docs...
[13:19] <dpm> zsombi, I'm on a call, and I believe davidcalle too, but I will look at it in ~45 mins. Did you use the image plugin to upload the images to the site?
[13:19] <zsombi> ok, sorted out this one as well
[13:20] <dpm> zsombi, you're too quick for us! :)
[13:20] <zsombi> dpm: yes, I did it, and the images were still not updated, despite I published teh changes...
[13:20] <zsombi> I did it again... and then they were out...
[13:20] <zsombi> weird tool is this CMS...
[13:22] <davidcalle> zsombi: I'm in a call in 40 min, not right now :) So, there has been an upgrade of everything on the site last night, except the blog engine unfortunately, still stuck in the middle ages, what was the issue exactly? Did the image upload looked like it failed?
[13:23] <davidcalle> zsombi: oh, it's NOT the blog engine on your page, hmm
[13:23] <zsombi> davidcalle: we are good with it seems... you can check the d-u-c QML -> Tutorials -> The Palette link, if everything is fine with it...
[13:25] <davidcalle> zsombi: what's not fine is the path of the page https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/ (should be en/apps/qml/tutorials/)
[13:26] <davidcalle> zsombi: I'm going to make it a redirect to the right path
[13:27] <zsombi> davidcalle: well... it's utmost weird that by creating a sub-page, while I'm in a page, it creates me the sub-page in a totally different place...
[13:29] <davidcalle> zsombi: yup. I'll see if I can reproduce it.
[13:29] <zsombi> dpm: and one more post :) https://plus.google.com/+ZsomborEgriCanonical/posts/fiG2NVpA5e8
[13:35] <davidcalle> zsombi: everything looks fine on this page? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/
[13:36] <davidcalle> As soon as you type "yes", your former URL will redirect to the correct one.
[13:37] <davidcalle> (We should have a "yes" bot that triggers actions)
[13:39] <zsombi> davidcalle: "yes" :)
[13:40] <davidcalle> zsombi :)
[13:55] <mhall119> zsombi: nice blog post
[14:13] <timp> zsombi: we should spread the link of the palette post also on G+/mailing list/...
[14:15] <timp> oh it is on G+ already :)
[17:10] <dpm> Good work zsombi!
[17:25] <timp> kalikiana, nik90: I commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1393485
[17:29] <ahayzen> timp, is that also the case for header actions now? IIRC we had to make then invisible rather than disabled now
[17:30] <timp> ahayzen: they should be invisible, correct
[17:30] <timp> ahayzen: the action has a visible property
[17:30] <ahayzen> before we did enabled=false
[17:30] <timp> let me verify that
[17:30] <ahayzen> and after the UITK changes that broke so we had todo visible=false
[17:30] <ahayzen> but then the actions are less discoverable :-/
[17:31] <timp> ahayzen: right, I think the visible property should be used
[17:31] <ahayzen> ok :-/
[17:31] <timp> ahayzen: you have a point. Let's ask some designers
[17:31] <ahayzen> more context aware hidden items :-(
[17:32] <timp> ahayzen: it might be eod for them already
[17:32] <ahayzen> hehe ok :-)
[17:32] <timp> ahayzen: can you add a comment about it to the bug?
[17:32] <ahayzen> timp, ok will do :-)
[17:33] <timp> thanks
[17:37] <timp> kalikiana: so, icons in a button in a listitem?
[17:37] <timp> kalikiana: so we need to decide in which of the three the opacity is changed?
[17:37] <kalikiana> timp: As the bug itself says
[17:37] <timp> I guess at least the button would be 'greyed out', so that would put it in the button
[17:37] <timp> or in the listitem
[17:38] <kalikiana> timp: "use an Icon inside a ListItem.Empty or any other AbstractButton derived class, and disable the item"
[17:38] <timp> ok
[17:39] <timp> so then the abstractbutton derived class should take care of it
[17:39] <kalikiana> timp: another question: why do you need to make the icon button translucent if the icon is already translucent? wouldn't it look the same?
[17:39] <timp> kalikiana: a button can have an icon and text
[17:40] <timp> kalikiana: if the text stays the same, and the icon becomes semi-transparent, it looks wrong to me
[17:40] <kalikiana> timp: so in other words we have the same problem with Label
[17:40] <kalikiana> timp: note that Label should rely on the palette, not opacity
[17:41] <timp> kalikiana: right. And I just checked the icon buttons in the header, they rely on the palette, and the palette sets the colors for disabled to 0.3 opacity
[17:41] <ahayzen> timp, commented on that bug :-)
[17:41] <timp> kalikiana: so in the header it is already fixed with the new palette
[17:41] <kalikiana> timp: and having the Icon change opacity would be what you want
[17:42] <timp> kalikiana: setting the icon opacity to 0.3 as well when disabled will give icons in the header an opacity of 0.09, so I have to override the icon opacity there
[17:42] <timp> kalikiana: the header foreground color gets 0.3 opacity when disabled. And the icon too. Those values are multiplied
[17:43] <kalikiana> timp: So the icon also uses the palette color? Presumably that will break with a custom color then.
[17:43] <kalikiana> color: UbuntuColors.green -> fail
[17:43] <timp> kalikiana: no, the icon button in the header uses palette color
[17:44] <kalikiana> timp: Yes or no?
[17:44] <timp> kalikiana: the icon does not use the palette color. But in the header button we use an icon and set its color to the palette color
[17:44] <kalikiana> timp: so yes
[17:44] <timp> kalikiana: no, the icon doesn't use the palette
[17:44] <kalikiana> timp: it does in this case :-)
[17:44] <kalikiana> please don't give ambiguous answers
[17:45] <kalikiana> timp: so that means it will break if a custom color is used in a naive way
[17:45] <timp> kalikiana: the Icon component does not use the palette
[17:45] <timp> kalikiana: the header does use the palette
[17:45] <kalikiana> timp: which is exactly my point
[17:45] <kalikiana> timp: the Icon is assigned a color from the palette and the icon button relies on that, which will break with a custom color
[17:46] <timp> kalikiana: in the header you have an ActionBar, which takes a list of Actions as input. Actions don't have a color
[17:47] <kalikiana> timp: unless you use a delegate
[17:47] <kalikiana> which can have a color
[17:47] <timp> yes
[17:47] <timp> if you explicity set a delegate that uses color: red, then it will be red.
[17:48] <timp> and if the color does not check for "enabled", then it won't change its looks when it is disabled
[17:48] <timp> s/color/delegate
[17:49] <kalikiana> timp: so if Button for example did change opacity, the result is wrong depending on whether you use the palette
[17:49] <kalikiana> same if Icon handled opacity
[17:50] <timp> if the button takes colors from the palette it should not set the opacity, because the palette colors incorporate opacities already
[17:50] <kalikiana> I think either we need a smarter solution or leave it up to developers completely
[17:51] <kalikiana> timp: if Button is changing opacity automatically it cannot know what kind of color is being used
[17:52] <timp> kalikiana: true. What's your point
[17:52] <timp> if button uses the current palette correctly, the result will be wrong if it also sets the opacity
[17:52] <kalikiana> timp: My point is, regardless of anything else, the original idea of doing it in Icon, and doing it in other components, cannot work
[17:53] <timp> kalikiana: so, we keep it as it is and only deal with it in the palette
[17:53] <timp> I think the bug was reported with the old palette
[17:54] <kalikiana> timp: Right. The best answer might be to use the appropriate palette value depending on the state. Which we don't have a complete solution for yet.
[17:54] <kalikiana> (Complete as in, no one-line expression)
[17:54] <timp> right
[17:54] <timp> zsombi will fix it ;)
[17:55] <kalikiana> Should we nickname him snappy from now on? ;-)
[18:58] <timp> kalikiana: so I will mark this bug as fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1393485
[18:58] <timp> because the new palette solves it
[19:00] <timp> kalikiana: I rejected https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/icon-disabled/+merge/289308
[19:01] <timp> ahayzen: for your issue with visible vs enabled, we'll need to discuss with the designers. But I think that won't be a bug in UITK since you can choose to use either visible or enabled.
[19:58] <kazord> hi everyone
[19:59] <kazord> found my misstake alone xD
[20:20] <lasse_> Im trying to install ubuntu-sdk and get ready to learn a bit about creating scopes. But when I execute apt install unity-js-scopes-dev in the terminal it can't localize the package. Does anyone know what to do?
[21:28] <davidcalle> lasse, hi, which version of Ubuntu are you using?


[01:29] <looking4b> I have noticed that the kernel does some printk very early to print out the banner and version of the kernel. It does this before parsing the kernel command line which tells it which ttyS to use. How does the kernel figure out to which UART/Serial/Console port to send the output of printk at that stage?
[01:29] <looking4b> I am trying to get the kernel working on my embedded systems but I do not get any serial output from the kernel. When I debug it then I noticed that is calling printk but I do not see anything on my console (serial port)
[01:29] <looking4b> can anybody help?
[01:44] <looking4b> I am talking of the printks in start_kernel
[02:12] <jjohansen> looking4b: those prints use earlyprintk
[02:12] <jjohansen> you can set earlyprintk bootargs
[02:12] <jjohansen> eg.
[02:13] <jjohansen> earlyprintk=serial,ttyBF0,57600
[02:13] <jjohansen> I would need to lookup how it determines which console to use by default
[02:15] <looking4b> I think my kernel is using uart0 by default instead of using uart1 which is the one my hardware supports
[02:16] <looking4b> I did compiled with a hard coded command line that has dev=ttyS1,115200
[02:16] <looking4b> but I guess the kernel is crashing before it can use those settings
[02:16] <looking4b> I do not even know if ttyS1 is really going to use uart1
[02:17] <looking4b> there are 3 uarts in my system
[02:17] <looking4b> I've been reading the source code but in some places they use dynamic function pointers to do stuff and I get lost then because I do not know to what function the pointer is pointing to
[02:18] <looking4b> Another thing that I would like to know is how to make the System.map give me more details
[02:18] <looking4b> right now it tells me a symbol and its address but I also want to know where that symbol is located
[02:19] <looking4b> in which file.o the symbol was found
[02:19] <looking4b> regularly gcc/ld will spit out a .map file with that information by default but I think System.map is being generating by parsing stuf from the .elf
[02:20] <looking4b> I guess at that point finding where the symbol came from cannot be done since all the file.o have been combined
[02:46] <jjohansen> looking4b: right, that info isn't available in standard .elf you need the debug information to do that kind of mapping
[02:47] <jjohansen> if you know the address you can always map it back using gdb and the debug info
[02:47] <jjohansen> I would have to go lookup how again as I haven't done it for a while
[02:49] <looking4b> yeah, I do not know why the .map file that gcc/ld spits out is not used as system.map
[02:49] <looking4b> it has much more info
[02:50] <looking4b> I will have to research how to compile the kernel with debug info on
[02:51] <jjohansen> are you using custom builds via make or the kernel build scripts
[02:51] <looking4b> the truth is that I am using uCLinux with 2.6 kernel
[02:52] <jjohansen> okay
[02:52] <looking4b> but I thought it should be the same for any distro
[02:53] <looking4b> I guess ubuntu patches the kernel with their own stuff but the basics are the same
[02:54] <jjohansen> make  CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=1
[02:55] <jjohansen> that will turn on -g and -gdwarf-2 for the compiler
[03:01] <looking4b> thanks
[03:44] <looking4b> jjohansen: Adding a -Map=linux.map to the following line in the root Makefile did the trick
[03:44] <looking4b> cmd_vmlinux__ ?= $(LD) -Map=linux.map $(LDFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS_vmlinux) -o $@ \
[03:46] <looking4b> now I see things like 0x40020000                _start
[03:46] <looking4b> .head.text     0x40020000       0xde arch/m68knommu/platform/coldfire/head.o
[03:46] <looking4b> good to know in which file my entry point is
[03:46] <looking4b> seems like my kernel does not get compressed
[03:47] <looking4b> i think misc.c decompress the kernel
[03:51] <jjohansen> looking4b: nice
[07:00] <theRealSaint> dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.35-rc5-custom+ not in control info
[07:00] <theRealSaint> am getting this error while compiling a vanilla kernel on ubuntu
[07:00] <theRealSaint> any pointers?
[07:07] <jjohansen> theRealSaint: how are you setting up the vanilla kernel for compile?
[07:08] <theRealSaint> git download
[07:08] <theRealSaint> am getting this error while compiling a vanilla kernel on ubuntu
[07:08] <theRealSaint> fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers
[07:09] <theRealSaint> jjohansen, these are the commands
[07:09] <achiang> theRealSaint: can you do a grep LOCALVERSION .config
[07:10] <theRealSaint> CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=""
[07:10] <theRealSaint> auto is not set
[07:11] <jjohansen> theRealSaint: hrmm I have never used make-kpkg to do vanilla builds
[07:13] <jjohansen> I start with git pull of vanilla and either use plain kernel make, make install, make modules_install, update-initramfs, update-grub
[07:13] <achiang> that's what i said earlier in #u-devel. ;)
[07:13] <achiang> jjohansen: you forgot make firmware_install. :)
[07:13] <jjohansen> or if I want a .deb, copy in the debian, and debian.master files from an ubuntu kernel
[07:14] <jjohansen> ah yeah, well you know the basic steps
[07:14] <jjohansen> and then I twiddle with configs maybe, and do
[07:15] <jjohansen> skipabi=true fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[07:16] <jjohansen> hrmm well actually I usually need to edit the version strings first, then do
[07:16] <jjohansen> fakeroot debian/rules clean
[07:16] <jjohansen> fakeroot debain/rules prepare-generic
[07:17] <jjohansen> check config, and typing is right, maybe edit debian/change_log to add ~jj to the dpkg version
[07:17] <jjohansen> the do
[07:17] <jjohansen> fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[07:18] <theRealSaint> hmm
[07:21] <jjohansen> theRealSaint: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/QuickBuildLocal
[07:21] <jjohansen> covers the basics of how we build kernels
[07:22] <jjohansen> basically all I do is transplant the debian bits from an ubuntu kernel into a vanilla kernel, and then do standard kernel build
[07:22] <jjohansen> err standard ubuntu kernel build
[09:06] <jk-> apt-get install iprint :)
[09:20] <jdstrand> apw: hi! fyi only. I have an i7 running lucid that would not resume from suspend well
[09:20] <jdstrand> apw: (usb wouldn't come up)
[09:20] <jdstrand> apw: kees and I talked, and though his symptoms were totally different than mine, I decided to blacklist tpm
[09:20] <jdstrand> apw: and lo and behold... it works fine
[09:21] <jdstrand> apw: kees mentioned you had reports of i7 suspend issues, so I thought I'd pass that along. I'll let you know if anything changes on maverick for me
[09:31] <lifeless> apw: jdstrand: I have suspend issues on i7 on mav
[09:31] <lifeless> lucid base, maverick kernel, been insanely busy :(
[09:32] <jdstrand> lifeless: you might try to do 'lsmod|grep tpm', then rmmod those prior to suspend and see if it works better
[09:32] <lifeless> ok, will give that a shot
[09:33] <jdstrand> lifeless: I've only done it a few times, but it has worked every time since then. prior to that, it never worked right
[10:19]  * abogani waves
[10:19] <abogani> apw, Do you have a chance to review -lowlatency kernel (and -realtime also) before of Alpha-3?
[10:51] <vanhoof> sconklin: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/108727/
[10:51] <diwic> abogani, out of interest, what differs the -lowlatency kernel from the -preempt kernel?
[10:52] <diwic> I'm trying to understand the differences between the different attempts get lower latency...
[11:27] <abogani> diwic, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-February/008708.html
[13:07] <vanhoof> sconklin: updated https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/561802
[13:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 561802 in linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "[lucid] [i915] blank screen on Latitude E6410 (affects: 24) (heat: 171)" [Medium,In progress]
[13:43] <nessita> hi there! can anyone give me a hand with a potential ACPI issue in my toshiba laptop?
[17:53] <hazmat> does anyone know any details on the http://events.linuxfoundation.org/linuxcon2010/crawford the KSLM monitoring stuff? most i can find are some irc log messages, and an empty launchpad project


[01:35] <guylinerandwhisk> Hello
[01:35] <guylinerandwhisk>  I came in the other day looking for help booting my RAID0 install. Any takers tonight?
[16:20] <RFleming> Greetings!